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| 00:00.36 | stew | MarkH_UK: so no queries, either recursive or local are working on your nameserver currently? |
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| 00:01.22 | MarkH_UK | yea |
| 00:01.26 | MarkH_UK | stew, exactly. |
| 00:01.40 | MarkH_UK | well, the zones we host i can lookup |
| 00:01.43 | stew | MarkH_UK: no errors in /var/log/daemon.log when you restart it? |
| 00:01.50 | stew | MarkH_UK: oh, so its just recursive |
| 00:01.52 | MarkH_UK | non auth ones dont resolve |
| 00:01.55 | MarkH_UK | yea |
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| 00:02.52 | stew | MarkH_UK: do you get an answer from "nslookup A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 198.41.0.4" |
| 00:03.07 | MarkH_UK | yea |
| 00:03.24 | diago | anyone know what would cause my apache to not be accessible via external? |
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| 00:05.21 | abrotman | stew: there are four bugs filed against it .. but each was closed then reopened because it wasn't fixed |
| 00:05.28 | Zarephath | Hey all...I am having trouble getting audacity, or krecord to record sound playback through my sound card. Watching kinput in krecord shows very little ouput getting to the channel..it doesn't matter which sound channel I use...although capture seems the most likely...anyone help? |
| 00:05.29 | abrotman | diago: firewall |
| 00:05.41 | stew | abrotman: say what? |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | stew: about grep |
| 00:05.48 | stew | oh |
| 00:05.58 | abrotman | Zarephath: is the mic level up in the mixer ? |
| 00:06.01 | stew | MarkH_UK: what about "dig @localhost" |
| 00:06.19 | MarkH_UK | woooo |
| 00:06.20 | MarkH_UK | fixed |
| 00:06.22 | diago | abrotman: checked that. port forwarding is set up, iptables are empty, error and access logs show nothing. ip can be pinged externally but website keeps timing out |
| 00:06.25 | MarkH_UK | i'm a f**** idiot |
| 00:06.25 | stew | abrotman: honestly, if i need perl regex support, i use perl |
| 00:06.32 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:06.33 | MarkH_UK | recursion no; |
| 00:06.34 | MarkH_UK | heh |
| 00:06.37 | MarkH_UK | ffs¬! |
| 00:06.53 | Zarephath | abrotman: Yep...I have tried every darned thing I can think of..although why would I need the mic level up? I am trying to go directly from /dev/dsp? |
| 00:06.56 | MarkH_UK | was looking harder for something else. |
| 00:06.59 | dkr | stew: grep -P ;) |
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| 00:07.04 | MarkH_UK | stew valdyn etc thnx for the help |
| 00:07.05 | MarkH_UK | ; ) |
| 00:07.15 | abrotman | Zarephath: if mine isn't up .. recording level is pretty low |
| 00:07.17 | stew | dkr: yes, that is what we are talking about. try running "grep -P foo" |
| 00:07.33 | Zarephath | abrotman: Ok thanks I will double check that.. |
| 00:07.38 | rahul | isn't grep -P a more advanced regex than perl has? |
| 00:07.47 | dkr | rahul: try it, :) |
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| 00:07.55 | rahul | no thanks |
| 00:07.57 | aridese | how do i reinstall something with apt-get? |
| 00:08.01 | stew | rahul: it would be exactly perl regex if it were actually implemented |
| 00:08.06 | rahul | if I want line noise, I cat /dev/urandom |
| 00:08.13 | dkr | rahul: you ar emissing the point, |
| 00:08.20 | chemist | aridese: apt-get install this |
| 00:08.25 | rahul | hah |
| 00:08.28 | chemist | aridese: apt-get install that |
| 00:08.28 | rahul | !penixstrike gnu |
| 00:08.29 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking gnu to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:08.32 | dkr | grep: The -P option is not supported |
| 00:08.47 | aridese | chemist: i deleted a critical file, when i do that, it doesnt reinstall the critical file |
| 00:08.53 | rahul | anyway, grep uses a faster regex engine than perl does |
| 00:09.00 | chemist | aridese: what file? |
| 00:09.04 | diago | abrotman: any other ideas? |
| 00:09.08 | rahul | like, not even comparable |
| 00:09.10 | stew | rahul: grep -P is really fast on my machine |
| 00:09.13 | aridese | icecast2, /etc/icecast2/icecast.xml |
| 00:09.17 | dkr | stew: ;) |
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| 00:09.20 | aridese | i cant just download it, either |
| 00:09.22 | rahul | regex that would take decades in perl take seconds in grep |
| 00:09.22 | abrotman | diago: netstat -an .. is port 80 listed ? |
| 00:09.24 | dkr | stew: O(1)! |
| 00:09.27 | aridese | it has some sneaky variable apt-get uses |
| 00:09.29 | rahul | heh |
| 00:09.38 | chemist | aridese: not a clue |
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| 00:09.47 | aridese | i tried apt-get remove, apt-get clean/autoremove |
| 00:09.49 | aridese | etc to no avail |
| 00:09.57 | aridese | the file does not appear after i do apt-get install icecast2 |
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| 00:11.57 | stoned | hi |
| 00:12.20 | diago | abrotman: i dont see it in that list |
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| 00:13.04 | stew | aridese: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 00:13.22 | diago | abrotman: but i know its open because i can access the webpages via my LAN pc's |
| 00:13.47 | abrotman | diago: sounds liek a firewall :) |
| 00:13.47 | aridese | stew: thanks a lot, you're the best |
| 00:13.53 | stew | i am! |
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| 00:14.18 | diago | abrotman: the linux box doesnt have a firewall on it and the router has everthing port fowarded to the linux box |
| 00:14.51 | stew | diago: what happens when you try to access it? does it time out? or connection refused? |
| 00:14.56 | aridese | stew: i used apt-get to fetch the package; how do i use dpkg to install it? |
| 00:15.16 | diago | locally through LAN, i can access it just fine. it anyone else does outside of the LAN, it timesout |
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| 00:15.52 | stew | diago: and nothing shows up in the access.log? |
| 00:16.00 | stew | actually it wouldn't |
| 00:16.11 | abrotman | does the router have logs ? |
| 00:16.12 | diago | stew: nope. only thing thats in the log is localhost and my wan ip |
| 00:16.19 | diago | nothing in the router logs either |
| 00:16.25 | abrotman | wait .. commercial ISP or home ? |
| 00:16.26 | stew | diago: have you tried running something like tcpdump to see if the request actually makes it to the webserver? |
| 00:17.05 | diago | abrotman: home server...road runner cable internet |
| 00:17.07 | abrotman | diago: is this your home server? running on port 80 ? |
| 00:17.14 | diago | stew: no, i havent |
| 00:17.28 | diago | abrotman: yes |
| 00:17.29 | abrotman | diago: and the external port is 80 also ? |
| 00:17.34 | diago | abrotman: yes |
| 00:17.50 | aridese | so how do i get an apt-get repository package into dpkg's hands? |
| 00:18.28 | abrotman | diago: chances are your ISP is blocking port 80 |
| 00:18.38 | stew | diago: "tcpdump -i eth0 dst port 80" would dump all traffic going to port 80. if you run that, then try to hit port 80 from a remote machine, and you don't see anything show up there, then the problem is not with the webserver but with some router/firewall upstream |
| 00:19.26 | stew | aridese: what do you mean by "apt-get repository package" |
| 00:20.17 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 00:20.17 | dpkg | Since Wed Feb 28 12:05:05 2007, there have been 2 modifications, 127 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 39 commands. I have been awake for 12h 15m 12s this session, and currently reference 37180 factoids. I'm using about 14024 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 67.44/3.51 child 0/0 |
| 00:20.24 | diago | someone mind going to http://foxyclan.homelinux.com/ please? |
| 00:20.48 | stoned | its not loading |
| 00:20.51 | dondelelcaro | Suppaplex: appears to be working now. |
| 00:20.53 | Malf | done and done |
| 00:21.03 | diago | i just got a bunch of hits through tcpdump |
| 00:21.05 | stew | dondelelcaro: it was a netsplit afaik |
| 00:22.03 | dondelelcaro | stew: ah |
| 00:22.08 | diago | stew: tcpdump is showing alot of hits from different places, so, it seems traffic is hitting port 80 |
| 00:23.38 | aridese | stew |
| 00:24.01 | aridese | stew: im on ubuntu, i installed the package with apt-get install icecast2. i need to use dpkg with --force-confmiss to get the conf files back |
| 00:24.13 | aridese | how would i do that? |
| 00:24.17 | diago | stew: 28 packets captured and received by filter....and access log still shows nothing |
| 00:24.27 | stew | dpkg: tell aridese about confmiss |
| 00:24.30 | Smoked1 | I keep getting this error when running "apt-get update" under etch. Can anyone tell me what this means as I have never seen this before. |
| 00:24.32 | Smoked1 | http://pastebin.com/891044 |
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| 00:24.36 | stew | aridese: you really should be in #ubuntu for problems with ubuntu |
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| 00:25.50 | aridese | stew: #ubuntu is a very big channel; hard to get any help there |
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| 00:26.18 | stoned | Smoked1: read the /topic |
| 00:26.19 | aridese | as i understand ubuntu stole debian's package managment system and that's what im having problems with? ... |
| 00:26.21 | stew | aridese: try a mailing list then |
| 00:26.31 | abrotman | hehe .. stole |
| 00:26.32 | chemist | aridese: install debian :) |
| 00:26.46 | aridese | stew: haha im a kid, in the age of instant messaging. mailing lists? |
| 00:26.59 | aridese | giant chain letters? |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | aridese: so install debian |
| 00:27.24 | stoned | aridese: why don't you install debian? |
| 00:27.33 | aridese | what's the difference? |
| 00:27.35 | chemist | k/ubuntu is good for windoze orphans |
| 00:27.44 | dkr | aridese: philosophy |
| 00:27.44 | chemist | good at breaking them in |
| 00:27.51 | stew | diago: run "tcpdump -i eth0 host 74.73.65.144" (which is my ip), tell me when its running, i'll try to hit it. save the output and put it into a pastebin. ok? |
| 00:28.00 | aridese | well for the last two years |
| 00:28.09 | stoned | go to #ubuntu they will know the differences |
| 00:28.11 | aridese | kernel modules for my SATA card didn't work |
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| 00:28.18 | aridese | im just happy it boots lmao |
| 00:28.22 | stew | aridese: you could try #ubuntu on irc.oftc.net which would have far fewer people |
| 00:28.23 | diago | stew: running now |
| 00:28.29 | aridese | i could |
| 00:28.51 | aridese | is there a website for the differences between distributions? |
| 00:28.55 | diago | http://foxyclan.homelinux.com |
| 00:28.56 | stoned | google |
| 00:28.58 | stew | diago: anything show up? |
| 00:29.08 | diago | yes, alot of stuff did |
| 00:29.17 | stew | diago: ok, pastebin it, if you can |
| 00:29.23 | stoned | diago: no workin |
| 00:29.25 | diago | stew: its still going |
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| 00:30.46 | stew | diago: i never get any traffic back here. so if you are seeing my traffic coming in, and traffic going back out to me, then someone is blocking you traffic back out to me (likely your ISP) |
| 00:30.52 | diago | stew: pasting now |
| 00:31.26 | stew | diago: paste.debian.net |
| 00:31.44 | stew | paste.debian.net has fewer ads too |
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| 00:32.25 | Smoked1 | As a newb /msg dpkg no public key does not help me. |
| 00:32.30 | Smoked1 | How can I fix it? |
| 00:32.40 | diago | stew: http://paste.debian.net/22826 |
| 00:32.40 | abrotman | Smoked1: do you get an error ? |
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| 00:32.48 | stew | Smoked1: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 00:33.28 | Smoked1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:34.16 | stew | diago: so yeah, that's just our two computers just trying to setup a connection, my end of the conversation, i only see the packets i'm sending to you, none of your replies. so youre replies to me are either not being correctly NATed by your router, or are being blocked by some firewall |
| 00:34.54 | diago | ok, my router has the tcp fr port 80 set up, that is all that is needed correct? |
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| 00:35.15 | stew | diago: is the router running linux? |
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| 00:35.30 | stew | diago: or is it some linksys/netgear/whatever residential router? |
| 00:35.32 | diago | no, its a Belkin |
| 00:35.49 | stew | i have no idea then |
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| 00:37.40 | abrotman | belkin is roughly the same |
| 00:38.58 | stew | diago: if your isp is blocking port 80 going out, then it won't matter what port you are using internally |
| 00:39.48 | diago | stew: oh? |
| 00:40.23 | stew | diago: you'd have to put your site on http://foxyclan.homelinux.com:8080 or some other port |
| 00:40.43 | justin | stew: you have it backwards |
| 00:40.55 | stew | justin: what do I have backwards? |
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| 00:41.11 | justin | stew: they block port 80 in, not out. his replies are not getting blocked, your requests are never getting there. |
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| 00:41.30 | stew | justin: no they are not blocking port 80 in, he gets my syn and sends an ack, but i never get his ack |
| 00:41.33 | permanoia | hi! dpkg -r --force-all scim-gtk2-immodule is returning: /var/lib/dpkg/info/scim-gtk2-immodule.postrm: line 8: /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules: No such file or directory and dpkg ends there. any help? |
| 00:42.19 | rahul | !find /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules: |
| 00:42.21 | rahul | !find /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules |
| 00:42.22 | stew | justin: here's what he sees: http://paste.debian.net/22826 here's what i see: http://paste.debian.net/22827 |
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| 00:42.39 | diago | ............ |
| 00:42.44 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules:' returned no results. |
| 00:43.00 | permanoia | rahul: find: /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules: No such file or directory |
| 00:43.12 | diago | stew: did a search and i'm seeing that Road Runner blocks all upstream straffic to tcp port 80 |
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| 00:43.24 | justin | diago: they don't here |
| 00:43.37 | diago | justin: where is here? |
| 00:43.45 | Suprano | hi |
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| 00:44.01 | Suprano | i have a grub problem |
| 00:44.05 | rahul | wtf is with the bot? |
| 00:44.07 | justin | diago: albany |
| 00:44.07 | Suprano | i got 3 disks |
| 00:44.10 | rahul | !ping |
| 00:44.10 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:44.13 | rahul | !find /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules |
| 00:44.15 | diago | justin: what about buffalo |
| 00:44.17 | chemist | Suprano: try some salt |
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| 00:44.19 | Suprano | hda, sda and sdb |
| 00:44.27 | justin | diago: got me |
| 00:44.33 | justin | diago: it's not a company wide policy at least |
| 00:44.41 | Suprano | the debian installer installed the bootsector on hda |
| 00:44.49 | Suprano | but i wanted it on sdb |
| 00:45.01 | Suprano | so i ran grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sdb |
| 00:45.05 | diago | guess i best call and find out...if so, will have to figure out a way to be able to host a web server since its my business |
| 00:45.10 | Suprano | which worked |
| 00:45.16 | Suprano | but when booting |
| 00:45.19 | Suprano | from sdb |
| 00:45.19 | rahul | arse of a bot |
| 00:45.29 | Suprano | it says s.th like can't find harddisk |
| 00:45.32 | diago | anyways, thanks abrotman, stew, and justin. later all |
| 00:45.35 | tekemperor | Can I set up USB devices and certain harddrive pratitions to be mounted by a regular user? |
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| 00:45.43 | Suprano | (hd,2,0) |
| 00:45.46 | Suprano | or similar |
| 00:46.00 | Suprano | i tried chaning the value, but i haven'T found the correct one |
| 00:46.14 | Suprano | ah it was (hd,2,2) if i recall correctly |
| 00:46.33 | Suprano | /boot is on /dev/sdb3 |
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| 00:46.50 | Suprano | so, why can't grub boot from sdb ? |
| 00:46.59 | Suprano | or what needs to be changed? |
| 00:47.01 | stew | Suprano: what is hd2 in /boot/grub/device.map ? |
| 00:47.09 | Suprano | (hd2) /dev/sdb |
| 00:47.38 | stew | Suprano: if /boot is on its own partition you were supposed to have passed the --root-partition option to grub-install (read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian) |
| 00:47.54 | Suprano | alright i'll do that, ty |
| 00:47.55 | stew | Suprano: hd2,0 would be /dev/sdb1 |
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| 00:48.55 | wimpies | does anybody know of a tool/command I could use from XP to boot linux from my running XP (I need to reinstall XP and want to avoid downloading/burning a new rescue disk) |
| 00:49.11 | Suprano | gotta try rebooting, |
| 00:49.30 | justin | wimpies: you can use the windows bootloader to load linux |
| 00:49.36 | dkr | wimpies: you can use ntldr to boot linux |
| 00:49.44 | justin | wimpies: it's a PITA and obviously not as easy as booting windows from grub |
| 00:50.09 | mentor | Alright, whose idea was it to make du's -H option an alias for --dereference-args?!? |
| 00:50.42 | tekemperor | I hate to ask twice, but I feel like nobody saw it: Is there a way to set up a partition so a regular user can mount it? |
| 00:51.00 | stew | tekemperor: add the user option in /etc/fstab (man fstab) |
| 00:51.17 | tekemperor | stew, thank you. |
| 00:51.25 | stew | tekemperor: if the device is a removable device, users of the plugdev group can mount it with pmount |
| 00:51.39 | wimpies | hmm. so nothing I could run point to /dev/hdax and it would load ... |
| 00:51.40 | stew | s/of the/in the/ |
| 00:51.49 | tekemperor | stew, thanks that will help for the USB drives too. |
| 00:52.30 | justin | wimpies: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 00:52.35 | justin | wimpies: should work as a boot disk |
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| 00:57.11 | Suprano | hm |
| 00:57.25 | Suprano | now it booted to the bash minimal console |
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| 00:57.42 | Suprano | i better read the document then just passing /boot to --root-dir |
| 00:57.52 | Suprano | what was the path again? |
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| 00:59.18 | Meshezabeel | does freecontrib.org still work? |
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| 01:00.46 | abrotman | LeFallen: sata? |
| 01:01.11 | balrog-kun | hi, i ran debootstrap and it made a nice chroot but there's no apt-get installed in it and dpkg doesn't work because it think perl is not configured. how do i get apt? |
| 01:01.11 | CrippsFX | I'm looking for a dock app that will work with etch. I've tried kxdocker, and although it runs, I am unable to configure it so that it will be positioned on the RHS of my screen ... ksmoothdock will not work because libc6 is apparently too old on etch, and kooldock has dependencies that are no longer available. Can somebody point me somewhere where I can obtain a docker that behaves like the OS X docker? |
| 01:01.17 | LeFallen | abrotman: Yeah. It's PCI-X 8port SATA2 hardware raid. |
| 01:01.29 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 01:01.29 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
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| 01:01.44 | LeFallen | abrotman: I see the ko on one etch system here, so I assume it's all good. |
| 01:02.03 | LeFallen | abrotman: I read linuxmafia which is why I know the required driver. |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:02.38 | LeFallen | abrotman: I was just a bit concerned as Adaptec have released drivers of their own. I haven't had much success with their drivers or support in the past :/ |
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| 01:03.20 | JordiGH | Can Gnash do YouTube yet? Any ETA on when it will? |
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| 01:04.50 | sidjster | can i enable 8x agp 2.6.18-k7 |
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| 01:06.19 | Suprano | ok i followed the grub README to create a bootsector, but it know says edit /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst and this file does not exist |
| 01:06.29 | Suprano | (boot is an own partition) |
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| 01:06.44 | apk | Suprano: is /boot mounted? |
| 01:06.59 | Suprano | yes |
| 01:07.01 | Suprano | /dev/sdb3 92M 14M 79M 15% /boot |
| 01:07.23 | apk | Suprano: does /boot/boot exist? should be a symlink to /boot (or .) |
| 01:07.47 | Suprano | revocer:/home/suprano# file /boot/boot/ : /boot/boot/: directory |
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| 01:08.52 | Suprano | inside boot/boot is only grub |
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| 01:11.07 | Wyzard | apk: It needs to be a symlink to "." because if it points to "/boot", it won't work when GRUB tries to dereference it at boot time |
| 01:11.30 | Wyzard | Suprano: Does /boot/grub/menu.lst exist? |
| 01:11.44 | Suprano | yes /boot/grub/menu.lst: ASCII English text |
| 01:11.58 | Wyzard | Suprano: /boot/boot should be a symlink to ".", not a directory of its own |
| 01:12.12 | Suprano | so delete it and create a simlink? |
| 01:12.15 | Wyzard | yes |
| 01:12.36 | Wyzard | and whatever readme tells you to use /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst is wrong |
| 01:12.45 | Cycne | private |
| 01:13.02 | Wyzard | That "boot" symlink is just for use by GRUB at boot time when /boot is on its own partition, and isn't considered part of the menu.lst file's actual path |
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| 01:13.19 | Suprano | 3) edit /boot/grub/menu.lst or if /boot is a separate partition edit /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 01:13.30 | Suprano | thath is file zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
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| 01:13.36 | Suprano | which tells me that :) |
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| 01:16.27 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 01:16.37 | balrog-kun | is there some way to quickly bring apt to sanity? i think it's missing the list of packages and it thinks that nothing other than apt is installed, so it wants to remove itself because dependencies are unmet |
| 01:17.02 | Wyzard | Well, I guess you *could* have /boot contain its own /boot directory and put menu.lst in there, but that's kinda silly |
| 01:17.34 | Wyzard | balrog-kun: The set of installed packages is held by dpkg, not apt... apt is just a frontend which downloads .deb files and runs dpkg to install them |
| 01:17.56 | Suprano | oh? |
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| 01:18.02 | Wyzard | balrog-kun: See /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 01:18.05 | Suprano | didn't know that |
| 01:18.11 | Suprano | (thath dpkg thing) |
| 01:18.11 | balrog-kun | Wyzard: i see, do you know a way to tell dpkg to download a new list of packages or something? |
| 01:18.15 | balrog-kun | ok |
| 01:18.26 | Suprano | apt-get update ? |
| 01:18.30 | balrog-kun | Wyzard: it's an empty file |
| 01:18.40 | Wyzard | That's your problem, then |
| 01:18.45 | Wyzard | but that's not something you can download |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | balrog-kun: what is the actual problem ? |
| 01:18.56 | balrog-kun | yeah, that's what i was thinking, |
| 01:19.06 | Wyzard | apt downloads the list of *available* packages... dpkg keeps track of which packages are *actually installed* on your system |
| 01:19.10 | apt | Wyzard: that's too long |
| 01:19.10 | balrog-kun | abrotman: i did "debootstrap" and it's a fresh system now |
| 01:19.16 | abrotman | too long ? |
| 01:19.19 | Suprano | Ok i try to reboot now |
| 01:19.29 | Wyzard | silly bot |
| 01:19.51 | balrog-kun | the only problem is that i can't use apt or dpkg, other than that it works |
| 01:20.10 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 01:20.19 | abrotman | balrog-kun: can you show us an error ? |
| 01:20.22 | Wyzard | The real question is what happened to that file... did you have filesystem corruption or something |
| 01:20.41 | Wyzard | abrotman: His /var/lib/dpkg/status file is empty for some reason so dpkg thinks there are no packages installed |
| 01:20.56 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 01:21.14 | abrotman | apt-get update ? |
| 01:21.21 | Wyzard | nope, won't help |
| 01:21.22 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 01:21.22 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 01:21.28 | abrotman | no ... |
| 01:21.33 | Wyzard | Like I said, update gets the list of available packages |
| 01:21.36 | balrog-kun | apt-get update just says "Reading package lists... Done" and finishes |
| 01:21.44 | Wyzard | which has nothing to do with the set of actually installed packages |
| 01:21.57 | abrotman | so get a list of "packages" from /usr/share/doc/ .. and feed it to dpkg telling it they aare installed! |
| 01:22.05 | Mark_Iron | dondelelcaro: Hi ... do you have any experience with preseeding of more than one eth-interface (debian echt installCD) ? |
| 01:22.14 | balrog-kun | i'm gonna try that |
| 01:22.14 | Wyzard | That's a possibility, though a lot of work |
| 01:22.21 | Mark_Iron | hi abrotman ;-) |
| 01:22.23 | Wyzard | Personally, I'd probably just reinstall |
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| 01:22.28 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:22.38 | abrotman | Wyzard: i don't think it is .. but i've never had to do it |
| 01:22.38 | bucketfan99 | hi there. how do i tell my debian to stop trying to use grub and use lilo instead ? |
| 01:22.46 | bucketfan99 | i removed grub, and now its always trying to run it and failing. |
| 01:22.55 | balrog-kun | oh you mean package names from the list of directories in /usr/share/doc? |
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| 01:23.05 | balrog-kun | Wyzard: it's a fresh install |
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| 01:23.37 | Wyzard | balrog-kun: That should not have happened with a fresh install |
| 01:23.59 | abrotman | ls /usr/share/doc | xargs echo '{$1\t\tinstall}' >> blah.txt .. and then feed it to dpkg --set-selections |
| 01:24.06 | balrog-kun | made with "debootstrap sid /new_chroot" |
| 01:24.09 | abrotman | though .. that's a really horrible guess .. and should be tested :) |
| 01:24.16 | Wyzard | I don't think that'll do it |
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| 01:24.22 | Wyzard | Selected and installed are two different things |
| 01:24.30 | Wyzard | I think he'd have to recreate the list by hand |
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| 01:24.40 | Wyzard | bucketfan99: man kernel-img.conf |
| 01:24.48 | Suprano | oh yes an other problem: |
| 01:24.48 | Wyzard | bucketfan99: I think that lets you configure it to use lilo |
| 01:24.57 | Wyzard | bucketfan99: though I don't see why you'd want to... GRUB is better |
| 01:25.15 | bucketfan99 | i think that is my decision :) |
| 01:25.20 | bucketfan99 | i will read that page |
| 01:25.21 | bucketfan99 | thanks |
| 01:25.24 | balrog-kun | Wyzard: i think apt-get should also be keeping the list of all available packages somewhere and that list is empty |
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| 01:25.33 | bucketfan99 | No manual entry for kernel-img.conf |
| 01:25.34 | bucketfan99 | :( |
| 01:25.47 | Suprano | i've got a truecrypt encrypted partition that i mount on boot (using an init.d script). after entering my pw always this pops up: Feb 27 17:45:19 revocer kernel: truecrypt: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.Feb 27 17:45:19 revocer kernel: Filesystem "dm-0": Disabling barriers, not supported by the underlying device |
| 01:26.13 | Suprano | the device still works |
| 01:26.21 | Suprano | (its my home) |
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| 01:26.52 | Suprano | but i just feels not that well that all my important data is behind that error message ^^ |
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| 01:27.34 | Wyzard | bucketfan99: ah... it's part of the "kernel-package" package, which is used for building custom kernels |
| 01:27.40 | bucketfan99 | ok thanks |
| 01:27.51 | Wyzard | bucketfan99: but I believe the pre-built kernel packages read that file too |
| 01:28.01 | karsten | Suprano: That may simply be a kernel taint message from non-GPLd drivers. |
| 01:28.12 | karsten | !tainted |
| 01:28.13 | dpkg | methinks tainted is the state of your kernel when non-free modules (e.g. NVdriver) are loaded into it. Kernel hackers will not support tainted kernels. |
| 01:28.39 | Wyzard | wow, how long has it been since the nvidia module was called "NVdriver" ? |
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| 01:28.48 | balrog-kun | ok, i'm gonna get an image of an installed debian from free.oszoo.org for now and run on that |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | !factinfo tainted |
| 01:28.50 | dpkg | tainted -- created by greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> at Mon Feb 16 17:25:13 2004 (1108 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by karsten, 38s ago. |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | 2004 apparently |
| 01:29.15 | cwheeler | where do I look in the docs to find out how to make ls sort filenames in the traditional unix way? |
| 01:29.18 | Suprano | i created that partition on an other kernel (same version and all). then i needed to reinstall debian and wanted to reuse my partition, since then this message is there |
| 01:29.20 | karsten | abrotman: Let's party like it's ... |
| 01:29.29 | karsten | cwheeler: 'man ls' |
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| 01:29.36 | bucketfan99 | Wyzard i don't see much mention of the loader in there, can you explain a little further ? |
| 01:29.38 | karsten | cwheeler: ... and what's "the traditional Unix way"/ |
| 01:29.49 | Suprano | it wasn't there before, so i don't think thats a non-gpl related probelm |
| 01:29.53 | abrotman | karsten: that was a rough year! |
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| 01:30.02 | cwheeler | uppercase before lowercase |
| 01:30.22 | karsten | abrotman: 2007 is the softer, quilted, easier-on-the skin variety. |
| 01:30.26 | Wyzard | bucketfan99: hmm... it used to have options called "do_grub" and "do_lilo" IIRC, but they don't seem to be documented there anymore |
| 01:30.35 | abrotman | karsten: you're just older! |
| 01:30.49 | karsten | abrotman: I'm older than I've ever been ... |
| 01:30.54 | karsten | abrotman: ... and now I'm even older. |
| 01:31.01 | karsten | abrotman: ... and now I'm even older ... |
| 01:31.06 | karsten | abrotman: .... and now I'm older still. |
| 01:31.10 | Suprano | stop growing |
| 01:31.24 | abrotman | !kill karmatronic |
| 01:31.26 | abrotman | doh |
| 01:31.32 | abrotman | misfire! |
| 01:31.44 | bucketfan99 | tricky |
| 01:31.45 | karsten | collateral damage! |
| 01:32.49 | GeorgeS069 | Hi guys.I got fglrx running in Xorg but,I get this error when trying to run fireglcontrol as root "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed" and this when I run as the user http://pastebin.ca/376468 any help?I tried google. |
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| 01:34.04 | justin | !+tell GeorgeS069 about sux |
| 01:34.05 | dpkg | told GeorgeS069 about sux (hmm... sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does.) |
| 01:34.23 | lotus-blade | failed to load kernel module i915, how do I load this? |
| 01:34.35 | GeorgeS069 | justin: thanks |
| 01:34.37 | justin | hmm, thought that used to mention sudo |
| 01:34.37 | lotus-blade | or where do I get it |
| 01:34.43 | justin | GeorgeS069: sudo should work too |
| 01:35.10 | justin | lotus-blade: which is it, are you missing the module or it doesn't load? |
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| 01:35.20 | Drac[Away] | Where does dpkg keep its logs? |
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| 01:35.31 | DavidProck1981 | ATI sucks |
| 01:35.33 | lotus-blade | failed to load |
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| 01:35.38 | justin | lotus-blade: dmesg |
| 01:36.20 | Drac[Away] | Anyone? |
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| 01:36.53 | GeorgeS069 | DavidProck1981: I know ati sucks but,I didn't buy the laptop and I need the TV out working so I have no choice:( |
| 01:37.04 | justin | Drac[Away]: all logs are kept in /var/log |
| 01:37.06 | lotus-blade | broken bios |
| 01:37.25 | Drac[Away] | Thought so. Couldn't find it at first. Thanks. |
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| 01:37.42 | Drac[Away] | ... |
| 01:37.45 | Drac[Away] | Why is it empty?! |
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| 01:38.37 | lotus-blade | my vid card worked fine till I upgraded, now it is complaining of broken bios |
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| 01:39.15 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | kurac |
| 01:39.15 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | pusi kurac |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | kurac_ja_sam_kur: do you have a debian question ? |
| 01:39.25 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | abrotman |
| 01:39.28 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | naravno |
| 01:39.30 | dvs | I don't think so |
| 01:39.31 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | jebem ti mater |
| 01:39.33 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | bolesnu |
| 01:39.36 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | pizda ti materina |
| 01:39.38 | abrotman | !yu |
| 01:39.39 | dpkg | hmm... yu is Serbia and Montenegro, part of the former Yugoslavia |
| 01:39.49 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | pizda |
| 01:39.51 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | ti meterina |
| 01:39.52 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | bre |
| 01:39.57 | abrotman | kurac_ja_sam_kur: english please |
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| 01:40.16 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | abrotman i dont speak englis |
| 01:40.22 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | ja samo znam da ti jebem mamu |
| 01:40.22 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | malo |
| 01:40.25 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | pizda ti materina |
| 01:40.25 | abrotman | we don't speak .. whatever tha tis |
| 01:40.25 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | umri |
| 01:40.27 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | ccrkni |
| 01:40.30 | abrotman | !ops kurac_ja_sam_kur |
| 01:40.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: kurac_ja_sam_kur |
| 01:40.38 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | kurac kruac |
| 01:40.39 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | kurac |
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| 01:40.39 | kurac_ja_sam_kur | kurac |
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| 01:40.59 | elein | does anyone know anything about fe_sendauth. I am getting an error that no password is supplied but I shouldn't need one. |
| 01:41.24 | sorl_ | it is really dangerous to update scripts that are in crontab every other minute :) |
| 01:41.33 | sorl_ | i was sooooo close to killing my server |
| 01:42.13 | sorl_ | the script had deleted ls, chmod, chown, mv, cp ... most stuff in /bin :) |
| 01:42.44 | sorl_ | i was lucky to have a chrooted env. |
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| 01:43.00 | karsten | sorl_: aptitude install sash |
| 01:43.07 | theos | hey |
| 01:43.08 | karsten | sorl_: What script? |
| 01:43.20 | karsten | sorl_: ... or was this your own doing? |
| 01:43.25 | theos | i cant mount any cd ? need help? |
| 01:43.31 | sorl_ | karsten, something i was fixing :) well it is so stupid im not going to tell you |
| 01:44.01 | sorl_ | something involving find and rm -Rf {} |
| 01:44.03 | karsten | sorl_: Sounds like you "fixed" it good. |
| 01:44.08 | sorl_ | yes |
| 01:44.10 | karsten | !fix sorl_ |
| 01:44.11 | sorl_ | im shaking |
| 01:44.22 | theos | i cant mount any cd ? need help? |
| 01:44.56 | sorl_ | im not sure wahts gone missing :) |
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| 01:45.07 | sorl_ | its also dangerous to be root at 3 am |
| 01:45.34 | GeorgeS069 | ok...that fixed the authentication error and now fireglcontrol just hangs.doesn't open or report any errors :( |
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| 01:46.29 | karsten | sorl_: Well, so far as the OS goes, you can reinstall existing packages. Should solve most of that problem. It's a safe operation (just takes a while, chews up bandwidth, /var, and disk IO). |
| 01:46.41 | karsten | sorl_: For user data and local configs: backups. |
| 01:47.14 | karsten | sorl_: One of my preferred MOs on deletes is to first chmod stuff to a userid that is responsible for deletion, check that you've got what you want, then delete those files, as that user. |
| 01:47.24 | karsten | sorl_: ... or not. |
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| 01:48.33 | sorl_ | karsten, yes im doing this another way from now on :) |
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| 01:49.38 | sorl_ | i installed coreutils and im off hunting for lost files |
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| 01:51.26 | sorl_ | karsten, i think the script read something like, errrmm: find / -type f -mtime +1 -exec rm -f {} \; |
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| 01:51.48 | sorl_ | and it started off in /bin and i think it stopped after deleting rm |
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| 01:51.58 | sorl_ | in /bin |
| 01:52.15 | karsten | sorl_: I prefer xargs for that sort of thing. There's a flag to avoid executing on a output list. |
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| 01:52.53 | sorl_ | yes -exec is kindof limited |
| 01:52.56 | karsten | sorl_: --no-run-if-empty |
| 01:53.06 | karsten | sorl_: man xargs |
| 01:53.14 | agent | Using LANG=en_US.UTF-8, KDE/QT applications do not show ISO 8859-2 characters, yet all other non-KDE/QT applications, including rxvt and xterm do show them fine. Why is this? Are the default fonts associated in KDE UTF8 broken? My KDE fonts are all "sans serif" with "monospace" as "fixed width" (in Control Center) |
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| 01:53.23 | sorl_ | i do use xargs with find sometimes |
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| 01:54.26 | sorl_ | karsten, anyway do you think if i did (in a bash script), rm /bin/rm and then rm /whatever that it could do that 2nd one |
| 01:54.34 | sorl_ | i guess not |
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| 01:55.33 | theos | hey |
| 01:55.51 | karsten | sorl_: Only if you had another 'rm' on your search path. |
| 01:55.52 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:56.16 | chafe | bin/date 022820532007.44 failed. Error was (Success) |
| 01:56.18 | chafe | ^ lol what |
| 01:56.22 | chafe | does this mean it worked? |
| 01:56.24 | sorl_ | but well xargs seems to be really nice for more than what i do :) which is find -type f | xargs grep "search" |
| 01:56.34 | theos | i cant moun my cdrom |
| 01:56.37 | karsten | sorl_: If you had both /bin/rm and say, /usr/local/bin/rm, and your path included both directories, then yes, you could do that. However once you delete an executable it's not around to be um, executed. |
| 01:56.48 | karsten | !tell theos about smart questions |
| 01:57.03 | theos | it says mounting point could not be found /dev/hdc |
| 01:57.05 | karsten | theos: Mounting how? Command? Output? Errors? Disk type? |
| 01:57.25 | karsten | theos: You don't mount to /dev, you mount devices from /dev elsewhere. |
| 01:57.31 | sorl_ | karsten, i just thought the script well.... if its a script its not a static binary and cant be already loaded in memory |
| 01:57.45 | karsten | theos: mkdir /mnt/cdrom; mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom |
| 01:57.49 | karsten | theos: ... tells you what? |
| 01:57.54 | sorl_ | seems most /bin is in coreutils |
| 01:57.56 | theos | when i put a cd in and try to mount it, its says that it cant be mounted |
| 01:58.08 | theos | ill try |
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| 01:59.45 | theos | mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /mnt/cdrom busy |
| 01:59.54 | karsten | theos: cat /proc/mounts |
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| 02:00.09 | theos | mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /mnt/cdrom busy |
| 02:00.38 | theos | and then |
| 02:00.43 | karsten | theos: Heard you twice the first time. |
| 02:00.57 | karsten | theos: Run: cat /proc/mounts |
| 02:00.59 | theos | sorry there is another line |
| 02:01.01 | karsten | !tell theos about paster |
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| 02:01.07 | karsten | theos: Paste that to the pastebin. |
| 02:01.22 | theos | how |
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| 02:01.44 | karsten | theos: Effectively, if at all possible. |
| 02:01.50 | karsten | !pastenox |
| 02:02.11 | karsten | Feh, what's that factoid? |
| 02:02.21 | karsten | theos: What are you running for UI? console or GUI? |
| 02:02.22 | theos | mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdc is mounted on /mnt/auto/cdrom |
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| 02:02.34 | theos | dont know newb here |
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| 02:03.19 | karsten | !pastewithoutx |
| 02:03.19 | dpkg | pastewithoutx is, like, you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 02:04.35 | karsten | theos: Do you see a screen with *only* text on it (console), or do you have windows, possibly panel, etc. (X11). |
| 02:04.35 | waltman | is there a problem with some of the testing servers? when I do "aptitude upgrade", it's telling me "Err http://http.us.debian.org testing/main mysql-common 5.0.32-7 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.238.52 80]" |
| 02:04.35 | theos | i think i fond the problem thanks |
| 02:04.35 | karsten | theos: ... or are you remotely connected to the Linux box (eg: PuTTY, ssh, telnet)? |
| 02:04.35 | theos | its ok |
| 02:04.36 | karsten | theos: Sounds like you've already mounted the drive, FYI. |
| 02:04.36 | theos | yes but i didnt knew where |
| 02:04.38 | karsten | waltman: I'm having issues w/ testing package lists for the past few days. |
| 02:04.40 | theos | i just found it |
| 02:04.41 | karsten | theos: Now you do. |
| 02:04.56 | waltman | karsten: No updates for several days, then stuff like that. |
| 02:05.10 | karsten | theos: /proc/mounts shows where the *kernel* knows everything is mounted, and is authoritative. /etc/mtab is frequently, but not always, also useful. |
| 02:05.25 | dvs | karsten: I just updated my testing less than an hour ago |
| 02:05.30 | theos | thx |
| 02:06.01 | waltman | I just tried a few minutes ago |
| 02:06.24 | karsten | dvs: Was borking badly yesterday. Didn't seem to choke on 'aptitude update', but 'aptitude -dy dist-upgrade' would complain about missing package files. Hrm. Working now. |
| 02:06.37 | dvs | cool |
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| 02:07.02 | waltman | karsten: I had the missing package file problem too. Now I just have a bunch of packages that it's saying aren't on the server. |
| 02:07.55 | karsten | waltman: Try another aptitude update. |
| 02:08.06 | karsten | Need to get 102MB of archives. After unpacking 49.7MB will be used. |
| 02:08.10 | karsten | ... running. |
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| 02:08.20 | waltman | karsten: same problem |
| 02:08.22 | stew | !http.us is the http.us.debian.org pool of servers is known to currently contain servers that are out of sync with the other debian mirrors which will cause you to get errors installing packages including 404 errors. please use a different mirror for now. ask me about <mirrors> |
| 02:08.23 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 02:08.50 | waltman | it says that "libmysqlclient15-dev libmysqlclient15off mysql-client-5.0 mysql-common mysql-server-5.0 update-inetd" are ready to upgrade, but then when I click "y" it says they're not found |
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| 02:08.54 | karsten | Feh, that's annoying. Thanks, stew. |
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| 02:09.01 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> /msg dpkg http.us | /msg dpkg 3.1r5 | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Test etch d-i http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:09.02 | karsten | waltman: What stew just said. |
| 02:09.03 | waltman | aha |
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| 02:09.17 | stew | topicdiff: added http.us |
| 02:09.20 | dvs | darn US! ;-) |
| 02:09.21 | waltman | thanks! |
| 02:09.27 | stew | blame canada |
| 02:09.31 | dvs | heh |
| 02:09.45 | x3n0 | here is a trivial one for most, how do i go about compiling and installing the latest kernel? |
| 02:10.00 | dvs | !tell x3n0 about kp |
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| 02:10.01 | karsten | stew: Yeah, if they'd invaded us like they were supposed to in 1812, we wouldn't have these problems, eh. |
| 02:10.28 | dvs | yeah |
| 02:10.29 | stew | or something |
| 02:10.45 | x3n0 | also what kind of impact could an arch change have on my sys? |
| 02:10.51 | x3n0 | kp? |
| 02:11.09 | karsten | x3n0: Read what dpkg told you. |
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| 02:13.58 | waltman | stew: do you know if it's just http.us.*? is it just a matter of switching to, say, ftp.us.? |
| 02:14.16 | Wyzard | Presumably ftp.us is the same set of servers |
| 02:15.00 | waltman | it appears to be missing the server that's giving me problems |
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| 02:15.04 | Wyzard | Anyway, a few out-of-sync mirrors are no big deal |
| 02:15.19 | ReinH | Can you guys recommend the best way to burn audio cds from mp3s? |
| 02:15.43 | ReinH | a gnome or kde gui would be great but command-line is fine |
| 02:15.44 | Wyzard | aptitude downloads some of the packages and gets 404s one some others, so I just press 'g' again and it makes another attempt, gets a different server due to the round-robin DNS, and downloads the remaining packages |
| 02:16.11 | dvs | ReinH: k3b! |
| 02:16.20 | ReinH | dvs: I think I've got that in fact |
| 02:16.25 | ReinH | any other packages I may need? |
| 02:16.45 | Wyzard | x3n0: arch change? like i386 to amd64? |
| 02:16.49 | dvs | ReinH: the packages would be dependencies of k3b |
| 02:16.55 | Wyzard | x3n0: You can't do that except by reinstalling |
| 02:16.57 | ReinH | dvs: perfect |
| 02:17.04 | ReinH | not sure why I didn't think of that |
| 02:17.07 | stew | waltman: ftp.us is mostly the same servers at http.us |
| 02:17.12 | apk | What happened to xlibs? |
| 02:17.12 | ReinH | I've used it to burn isos |
| 02:17.16 | ReinH | ty |
| 02:17.43 | dvs | no prob |
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| 02:18.11 | rvalles | rgsteele: Left blktrace running up until now. It seems what powers the disk up definitivelly isn't block I/O, because no block I/O has been logged at all (!) |
| 02:18.18 | waltman | stew: well, switching to ftp.us fixed it, at least for me :) |
| 02:18.26 | rvalles | rgsteele: now I have no idea what to look for or where :/ |
| 02:18.37 | waltman | I think dnscache doesn't handle round robin as well as it should |
| 02:19.10 | GeorgeS069 | Is there a how-to or something to get ATI's fireglcontrol app working in etch? |
| 02:19.27 | stew | waltman: you might have just gotten one of the good mirrors in the rotation this time |
| 02:19.40 | waltman | could be |
| 02:19.55 | waltman | at least switching it to ftp.us caused dnscache to try another server |
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| 02:21.08 | waltman | anyway, thanks for your help! |
| 02:21.12 | x3n0 | Wyzard: thats the one |
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| 02:21.38 | Wyzard | x3n0: You can't go from 32-bit userland to 64-bit userland except by reinstalling |
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| 02:22.41 | x3n0 | Wyzard: bugger! so i guess that means that I can't make the most out of my cpu then?! |
| 02:23.03 | Wyzard | x3n0: 64-bit doesn't make a difference for most stuff anyway |
| 02:23.22 | Wyzard | x3n0: but yes, you can "get the most out of your CPU" by installing amd64 Debian |
| 02:24.02 | x3n0 | Wyzard: whats that do? soz, i'm still a little green. |
| 02:24.13 | Wyzard | What does what do? |
| 02:24.39 | x3n0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.41 | x3n0 | ? |
| 02:24.58 | x3n0 | as in reinstall whole sys? |
| 02:25.01 | Wyzard | I was using your phrase |
| 02:25.13 | Wyzard | <x3n0> Wyzard: bugger! so i guess that means that I can't make the most out of my cpu then?! |
| 02:25.25 | x3n0 | k |
| 02:25.46 | Wyzard | You're free to install 64-bit Debian if you want |
| 02:26.15 | x3n0 | any real advantage? |
| 02:26.20 | Wyzard | For most stuff it won't make a difference, and a few programs (mostly closed-source ones) aren't available |
| 02:26.40 | Wyzard | There's no 64-bit Adobe Flash plugin, nor 64-bit Sun Java plugin, nor 64-bit Google Earth |
| 02:26.42 | x3n0 | flash has issues! |
| 02:27.14 | x3n0 | realplayer prob won't work...? that kind of things? |
| 02:27.19 | x3n0 | *those |
| 02:27.31 | Wyzard | I haven't used Realplayer in years so I don't know (or care) whether there's a 64-bit version |
| 02:27.34 | Dewi | Wyzard: it's funny; I own quite a few 64-bit machines by now, for several years... but I've never used bits 32 through 63 *at all* |
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| 02:27.52 | Wyzard | I'm running 64-bit sid right now and on the whole it works fine |
| 02:27.56 | Dewi | Wyzard: in linux or windows |
| 02:27.58 | x3n0 | lol |
| 02:27.59 | Wyzard | I don't care too much about the lack of Flash |
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| 02:28.32 | x3n0 | its not a real issue then |
| 02:28.37 | Dewi | so the debian project is giving 64bit quite a bit of attention |
| 02:29.15 | SpaceFrog | hi guys. I'm trying to upgrade Debian Etch via apt, and I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/376519 |
| 02:29.25 | Wyzard | x3n0: Personally I'd prefer to run 64-bit OSes on 64-bit-capable processors, but practically speaking, it doesn't really matter most of the time |
| 02:29.34 | Dewi | x3n0: I don't imagine most ports would be terribly hard, but with closed source stuff you're completely at the mercy of the vendor, as always |
| 02:29.46 | markybob | SpaceFrog, you're out of disk space |
| 02:29.54 | markybob | SpaceFrog, read the error next time :) |
| 02:29.58 | Wyzard | Dewi: It's pretty ridiculous that there's no 64-bit Java browser plugin, even though there's a 64-bit JRE :-/ |
| 02:30.18 | Dewi | Wyzard: yeah, I was going to say... I thought there was a 64bit JRE binary |
| 02:30.24 | Dewi | Wyzard: but no plugin you say... that is crazy |
| 02:30.36 | Wyzard | There's a JRE, and I can run Azureus just fine... but yeah, no plugin |
| 02:30.38 | x3n0 | the only thing that is stoping me from a rebuilt is that the connection i'm using! :( |
| 02:30.49 | x3n0 | ndiswrapper hell |
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| 02:31.17 | Dewi | Wyzard: ah, azureus. such a shining example of good java. Just a pity that the total image size for me (including swap) is up around 1gb most of the time |
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| 02:31.26 | x3n0 | so net install is out of the question |
| 02:31.29 | Wyzard | yeah, it's kinda big |
| 02:31.39 | Dewi | Wyzard: I'm not sure how much of that is like... "VM overhead" |
| 02:31.40 | Guerin | azureus is awful |
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| 02:31.54 | Guerin | ye gods, a fucking bittorrent client which has an irc client built in? |
| 02:32.04 | Dewi | Guerin: it's a plugin |
| 02:32.09 | Dewi | Guerin: it doesn't ship enabled |
| 02:32.09 | Wyzard | and for some reason Azureus and Eclipse have separate, incompatible copies of SWT which conflict with each other, so they can't both be installed at the same time |
| 02:32.12 | Guerin | oh, i'm having deja vu |
| 02:32.13 | Wyzard | That makes no sense to me |
| 02:32.18 | ApEtc | Guerin: Convergence at its finest. |
| 02:32.21 | x3n0 | the torrent for testing amd64 is dead |
| 02:32.29 | x3n0 | dvd |
| 02:32.31 | konam | hi all |
| 02:32.33 | konam | someone could tell me if have debian installed on this motherboard: http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=775VM800&s= |
| 02:32.34 | Dewi | Wyzard: most of the problems with azureus have been SWT issues |
| 02:32.46 | Dewi | Wyzard: but SWT on the whole does seem to make java apps a lot more comfortable |
| 02:32.50 | konam | i tried to find info on google but don't find anything |
| 02:32.56 | Dewi | Wyzard: at least it did before Sun caught up a bit |
| 02:33.13 | Guerin | it's the same retardedness which means people want to install a hundred addons for firefox, and then complain it doesn't work because one of them brings the whole shop to its knees |
| 02:33.24 | Dewi | Guerin: and you realise it's not a client, but a remote control system right? |
| 02:33.27 | x3n0 | lol |
| 02:33.32 | Wyzard | yeah, SWT is nice |
| 02:33.40 | Guerin | and have they fixed azureus' broken sequential superseeding algorith yet? |
| 02:33.49 | Wyzard | but I don't understand why we have both libswt-gtk-3.2 and libswt3.2-gtk |
| 02:34.41 | Dewi | Guerin: it hasn't done it sequentially in like... forever |
| 02:34.41 | Wyzard | which seem to contain exactly the same software, as far as I can tell |
| 02:34.41 | Dewi | Guerin: because that wouldn't be superseeding |
| 02:34.41 | Dewi | Guerin: or do you mean... superseeding without randomness? I've given that some thought and there's really no problem with it |
| 02:34.41 | Guerin | Dewi: well they *called* it superseeding |
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| 02:34.58 | Dewi | Guerin: it's just doing extra accounting so it will be optimally efficient |
| 02:35.08 | Guerin | Dewi: no, chunk #0 to peer a, chunk #1 to peer b, chunk #3 to peer c, etc |
| 02:35.16 | Dewi | Guerin: yes. How is that not optimal? |
| 02:35.18 | Guerin | Dewi: no, that's not what it was. |
| 02:35.35 | Wyzard | hmm, apparently the two sets of SWT packages don't conflict with each other anymore |
| 02:35.40 | Wyzard | That's a plus, at least |
| 02:35.49 | Guerin | the bittornado superseed algorithm was insanely much more efficient, and yet there was great resistance to its adoption |
| 02:36.07 | Dewi | Wyzard: SWT had some bad integration problems about 6 months ago, but I'm glad they fixed some (most?) of it up before the testing freeze got too tight |
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| 02:37.01 | Dewi | ooh, RC bug count is dropping again finally |
| 02:37.17 | mfrisch | I can't get x to start it says it could not open default cursor font "cursor" what did I bork? |
| 02:37.26 | Dewi | but they still haven't released installer RC2 :( |
| 02:37.44 | Dewi | the RC1 problem was so trivial compared with the issues I had with daily images after they pulled RC1 down |
| 02:37.47 | x3n0 | any ideas on how i could possibly go about amd64 install? would jigdo be ok to download the 3 dvd isos? |
| 02:38.23 | Wyzard | x3n0: You don't need all the DVDs if you have an Internet connection available while installing |
| 02:38.40 | x3n0 | and more inportantly! does anyone know if ndiswrapper is in there? |
| 02:38.47 | Dewi | x3n0: if you have a net connection all you need is a 100mb CD image |
| 02:38.50 | Wyzard | In where, the installer? |
| 02:38.52 | Wyzard | It isn't |
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| 02:39.01 | Wyzard | Use a wired ethernet card for installation perhaps |
| 02:39.17 | x3n0 | i don't have access to the hub |
| 02:39.21 | x3n0 | :( |
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| 02:40.10 | mfrisch | How do I reinstall all of xorg? |
| 02:40.11 | Azure | hi |
| 02:40.22 | Azure | can anyone tell me |
| 02:40.55 | Azure | is there are a keyboard combo in Kde like the one go/location in Gnome |
| 02:40.57 | Azure | ??? |
| 02:40.58 | x3n0 | and my linksys doesn't have native support |
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| 02:41.42 | Azure | hi |
| 02:41.43 | Azure | can anyone tell me |
| 02:41.43 | Azure | is there are a keyboard combo in Kde like the one go/location in Gnome |
| 02:41.48 | Dewi | Azure: see #kde |
| 02:42.03 | Dewi | Azure: and don't repeat when you haven't even scrolled away yet |
| 02:42.06 | Azure | no one is answering there |
| 02:42.26 | Guerin | !htfswk Azure |
| 02:42.26 | dpkg | Azure: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 02:42.32 | Guerin | !piav |
| 02:42.32 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
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| 02:44.48 | x3n0 | so inshort i'm stuffed?!? |
| 02:45.11 | Guerin | x3n0: get a supported card |
| 02:45.20 | Wyzard | x3n0: You could download the first CD or DVD |
| 02:45.33 | Wyzard | All you need is enough to install and get online... you don't need the whole CD/DVD set |
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| 02:46.55 | x3n0 | well yeh but you said ndiswrapper isn't contained within the packages... cd / dvd |
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| 02:47.34 | Guerin | ndiscrapper needs windows |
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| 02:47.40 | Guerin | so no shit it's not included |
| 02:48.17 | x3n0 | most of the HW on this sys seem to be from the back-of-beyond. and a real pig to configure! |
| 02:48.38 | Wyzard | x3n0: You're running 32-bit Debian now, right? |
| 02:48.53 | x3n0 | yeh |
| 02:48.58 | Wyzard | x3n0: How did you get that installed? |
| 02:49.01 | x3n0 | kind of |
| 02:49.22 | mfrisch | I can't get x to start it says it could not open default cursor font "cursor" what did I bork? |
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| 02:50.07 | x3n0 | well it started life as knoppix (for all of 5mins) |
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| 02:51.04 | x3n0 | once part configured "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 02:51.05 | Wyzard | so it's "Knoppix with sources changed to Debian" or something like that? |
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| 02:51.25 | Dewi | ouch |
| 02:51.26 | x3n0 | yeh thats the one |
| 02:51.28 | Dewi | that sounds ugly |
| 02:51.31 | Wyzard | indeed |
| 02:51.32 | Dewi | at this late stage |
| 02:51.44 | Wyzard | Anyway, did Knoppix include ndiswrapper out-of-the-box? |
| 02:52.22 | rpc | i need to keep a certain ssh tunnel open 24/7, how can i make it so it auto-reconnects when something breaks? |
| 02:52.27 | x3n0 | yes ugly it is, and late stage...(true) I only did it out of deperation |
| 02:52.41 | x3n0 | yeh |
| 02:52.59 | x3n0 | *desperation |
| 02:53.01 | Wyzard | rpc: "apt-cache search ssh tunnel" turns up "autossh" as the first result |
| 02:53.03 | x3n0 | lol |
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| 02:53.16 | rpc | oh hm Wyzard, am i this retarded already :s |
| 02:53.31 | Wyzard | x3n0: How did you get ndiswrapper installed on your bastardized-Knoppix-wannabe-Debian installation? |
| 02:53.34 | rpc | thanks i had no idea such thing existed... |
| 02:53.51 | x3n0 | out-of-the-box |
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| 02:54.15 | Wyzard | Knoppix includes ndiswrapper out-of-the-box? |
| 02:54.18 | Wyzard | interesting |
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| 02:54.32 | x3n0 | then shite M$ driver cd, and i was away(ish) |
| 02:54.45 | Wyzard | ok |
| 02:54.57 | rpc | oh btw how do you like NTFS-3G dudes, is it really this bullet-proof as they say? |
| 02:55.04 | x3n0 | 5.1.1 does i don't know about the earlier versions |
| 02:55.10 | Wyzard | Well, Debian's installer doesn't have ndiswrapper, but ndiswrapper packages are available once you've finished installing, and might even be on the first CD, though I'm not sure of that |
| 02:55.21 | nn-main | my computer has a relly nice graphics card in it but all 3d programs seem to be trying to use the cpu insted of the graphics processer how do i fix this |
| 02:55.27 | x3n0 | its pretty damn good! |
| 02:55.42 | Wyzard | so you could download the first full CD, install with that, and then download the ndiswrapper debs from another computer and transfer them over with a flash drive or something |
| 02:55.45 | rpc | x3n0 you mean ntfs-3g? |
| 02:55.45 | archville | It's a shame you can't insert modules in the netinst kernel to make wireless avaiable |
| 02:56.24 | rpc | so after so many years someone managed to crack ntfs.. damn nice |
| 02:56.25 | x3n0 | used it to fetch and crack sam (passwords) on landlords buggered M$ box! |
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| 02:56.57 | Wyzard | if they're not already on that CD |
| 02:56.58 | rpc | heh gotta love your landlord ;) |
| 02:57.08 | rpc | and you better do lol |
| 02:57.27 | nn-main | my computer has a relly nice graphics card in it but all 3d programs seem to be trying to use the cpu insted of the graphics processer how do i fix this |
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| 02:57.54 | rpc | nn-main do you mind telling us what gfx card is that |
| 02:58.01 | rpc | or do you want us to guess it :) |
| 02:58.10 | x3n0 | ndis... oh, tell a lie. I got that from LFX#90 dvd |
| 02:58.14 | rpc | (no one will, trust me) |
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| 02:58.55 | nn-main | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01) |
| 02:59.04 | x3n0 | fglrx |
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| 02:59.09 | rpc | how come i never knew about autossh - Automatically restart SSH sessions and tunnels... |
| 02:59.11 | zpertee | hi! how can I install a .deb file that I downloaded to my computer? |
| 02:59.22 | rpc | i feel like an idiot setting up all my damned tunnels manually :( |
| 02:59.33 | rpc | thank you again Wyzard |
| 02:59.37 | nn-main | seems to be using indirect render |
| 02:59.55 | markybob | zpertee, dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 02:59.58 | rpc | zpertee dpkg -i |
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| 03:00.12 | rpc | hrhm i lost on that one :s |
| 03:00.34 | nn-main | and glxgears runs a 1 fps? |
| 03:00.35 | zpertee | markybob: thanks |
| 03:00.39 | zpertee | rpc: thanks |
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| 03:00.56 | nn-main | what is up! it was working the other day? |
| 03:00.59 | rpc | nn-main first hit on google: http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2003-07/msg00462.html |
| 03:01.19 | rpc | and the query was: radeon 9200 debian |
| 03:01.34 | x3n0 | my bastard system is a bitch! |
| 03:01.45 | rpc | x3n0 how about your landlord? |
| 03:01.55 | x3n0 | bloke :( |
| 03:02.06 | rpc | :/ |
| 03:02.21 | x3n0 | it illitterate! |
| 03:02.27 | x3n0 | *IT |
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| 03:02.34 | rpc | wealthy though :) |
| 03:02.43 | rpc | they all are damn it |
| 03:02.55 | x3n0 | yeh by fleecing me! |
| 03:02.58 | zpertee | anybody using asterisk? |
| 03:03.08 | rpc | i once tried to make mine lower the rent just 5 quid |
| 03:03.17 | rpc | you should see his eyes lol |
| 03:03.19 | x3n0 | did it work? |
| 03:03.26 | rpc | you joking now lol |
| 03:03.39 | x3n0 | obv not then! |
| 03:03.42 | x3n0 | lol |
| 03:03.45 | rpc | he he |
| 03:04.13 | rpc | his eyes went all red |
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| 03:04.19 | rpc | he started to shake |
| 03:04.48 | rpc | and i thought that he was going to explode any second |
| 03:04.51 | x3n0 | looks like i'm going to have to scap 64bit then for the time being! |
| 03:05.03 | rpc | oh you're the lucky 64 user? |
| 03:05.03 | x3n0 | Like he had parkinsons? |
| 03:05.09 | rpc | well yes |
| 03:05.17 | rpc | i quit 64 last month btw... |
| 03:05.24 | x3n0 | why? |
| 03:05.34 | rpc | because there is absolutely no spoon |
| 03:05.40 | rpc | i tried to find one but no |
| 03:05.43 | x3n0 | ah |
| 03:05.53 | linux2 | anyone know how i can build a custom kernel on a current debian etch cd |
| 03:05.56 | rpc | switch to 32-bit and be happy :) just like me he he |
| 03:06.29 | x3n0 | i'm on 32 and want to see what 64 was about |
| 03:06.31 | rpc | i spent hours here discussing the point of using 64-bit |
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| 03:06.34 | linux2 | i downloaded the kernel source while in the debian installer but there is no bzip2 package |
| 03:06.35 | rpc | nothing at all |
| 03:06.36 | linux2 | why not? |
| 03:06.40 | linux2 | and there is no make command |
| 03:06.41 | rpc | most stuff is 32-bit |
| 03:06.44 | linux2 | or compiler included |
| 03:06.46 | linux2 | what gives? |
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| 03:06.49 | olsen | hi |
| 03:06.58 | rpc | plus some stuff won't work on 64-bit... |
| 03:07.06 | olsen | i have a box that has ssh on it, and a free partition table, i want to install debian etch on it |
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| 03:07.10 | olsen | throw ssh |
| 03:07.14 | rpc | and yet on top of this... you loose extra because of bigger memory overhead |
| 03:07.15 | olsen | how can i do that? |
| 03:07.34 | olsen | is possible to install from a running system? |
| 03:07.37 | olsen | or... |
| 03:07.38 | olsen | hm |
| 03:07.45 | olsen | is there a live cd with ssh and a installer? |
| 03:07.46 | rpc | olsen bootstrap? |
| 03:07.50 | NetEcho | w00t scored myself a free server |
| 03:07.52 | olsen | rpc: bootstrap? |
| 03:07.57 | markybob | olsen, http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 03:08.01 | x3n0 | how where? |
| 03:08.08 | rpc | olsen http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap |
| 03:08.19 | NetEcho | now where did I throw debian |
| 03:08.30 | x3n0 | lol |
| 03:08.31 | rpc | NetEcho i want a free server too |
| 03:08.40 | x3n0 | don't we all |
| 03:08.46 | rpc | aye |
| 03:08.47 | NetEcho | sister got her old P3 raped by viruses |
| 03:08.54 | NetEcho | so instead of fixing it she bought a new one |
| 03:09.01 | x3n0 | lol |
| 03:09.06 | rpc | NetEcho she is lucky it was her puter and not her |
| 03:09.08 | NetEcho | I hope I still have some PC133 ram laying arround |
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| 03:09.34 | rpc | anyway i could kill for a cheap dual p3 system, or a few of those |
| 03:09.40 | x3n0 | if you say it like that it ain't n.thing special. lol |
| 03:09.46 | rpc | 2x1ghz would be really nice |
| 03:09.48 | NetEcho | I had a dual P3 500 Slot 1 system at one point |
| 03:10.09 | NetEcho | still have the CPU's right infront of me |
| 03:10.17 | rpc | not bad either but those 1ghz ones... very strong machine |
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| 03:10.25 | NetEcho | had a gig of a ram too |
| 03:10.29 | NetEcho | could run XP on it |
| 03:10.29 | x3n0 | i'v got ~25-30ish systems dotted about the house |
| 03:10.33 | NetEcho | nicely |
| 03:10.40 | rpc | x3n0 30 systems? |
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| 03:10.48 | rpc | do you eat them or? |
| 03:10.48 | NetEcho | can't wait to see the specs on the new server |
| 03:10.57 | linux2 | anyone know how i can build a custom kerenel on a debian etch system while in the installer. you used to be able to do it with older versions of debian but now i can't and its rather annoying. there is no bzip2 or gcc compiler included with the install cd so i am a bit lost as how to go about this |
| 03:11.01 | x3n0 | about that haven't counted lately |
| 03:11.15 | NetEcho | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.16 | NetEcho | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.21 | NetEcho | I'd say thats fairly new lol |
| 03:11.27 | rpc | don't you have some axx to afterlease stuff by any chance? |
| 03:11.41 | rpc | x3n0 that is :) |
| 03:11.52 | markybob | linux2, must it be custom or just newer kernel than what the installer has? |
| 03:12.04 | linux2 | markybob: it must be custom |
| 03:12.07 | x3n0 | most is |
| 03:12.10 | x3n0 | :) |
| 03:12.17 | linux2 | there is no way to do it otherwise i have done a ton of research and it is by far the easiest way |
| 03:12.30 | linux2 | but now a days the debian installer doesn't have a gcc compiler built in or anything |
| 03:12.32 | linux2 | what gives? |
| 03:12.32 | josh415 | why do you need a custom kernel in the installer? |
| 03:12.47 | markybob | linux2, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel |
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| 03:13.04 | markybob | abrotman, i'm having one of those "i'm never drinking again" days. damn head is about to burst |
| 03:13.22 | rpc | so you will never drink again |
| 03:13.39 | karsten | !beer markybob |
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| 03:13.45 | abrotman | markybob: from drinking or #debian? :) |
| 03:13.55 | markybob | abrotman, heh :) |
| 03:14.02 | rpc | !scotch markybob :) |
| 03:14.12 | linux2 | josh415: i need to install my root filesystem on an eisa compaq smart raid controller |
| 03:14.17 | abrotman | !liquor markw |
| 03:14.19 | abrotman | whoops |
| 03:14.20 | rpc | lol |
| 03:14.25 | abrotman | stupid fingers are messing up bad today! |
| 03:14.27 | markybob | no more! ;) |
| 03:14.33 | x3n0 | have small beowolf cluster up 16-node all 2GHz P4 1Gb DDR2 and about 2.5Tb shared filesys |
| 03:14.41 | rpc | looks like you will never drink again too, abrotman ;) |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | not until tomorrow! |
| 03:14.53 | rpc | markybob lol |
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| 03:15.06 | markybob | abrotman, that's probably true ;) |
| 03:15.07 | abrotman | then i have to go to the damn sixers game .. |
| 03:15.10 | abrotman | basketball sucks |
| 03:15.20 | rpc | x3n0 oh that's more than nice |
| 03:15.26 | linux2 | markybob: nothing really on that page for installing the kernel from a floppy |
| 03:15.41 | markybob | floppy. oh. nevermind, then |
| 03:15.42 | linux2 | im going to create a minimal boot floppy and then boot the installer from there |
| 03:15.42 | x3n0 | old p2 runnning static pages for intranet |
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| 03:15.49 | NetEcho | gah it only has a 6gig HDD |
| 03:15.56 | rpc | x3n0 i want a cluster too |
| 03:15.57 | linux2 | markybob: i also want to do it all on that machine |
| 03:16.05 | teledyn | distro[Debian 4.0] |
| 03:16.08 | linux2 | http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20060520133930860 |
| 03:16.58 | x3n0 | you should see the speed of gentoo compilation! |
| 03:17.01 | x3n0 | :) |
| 03:17.10 | rpc | mhmrm |
| 03:17.24 | Guerin | !gentoosmite x3n0 |
| 03:17.39 | rpc | he he |
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| 03:18.01 | teledyn | wow. cool utility: |
| 03:18.03 | rpc | x3n0 but where the hell did you find 16 p4 boxes |
| 03:18.03 | teledyn | os[Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686] distro[Debian 4.0] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1200MHz @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical : 749MB, 55.6% free] disk[Total : 15.60GB, 75.00% Free] video[Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device] sound[] |
| 03:18.03 | x3n0 | not a big gentoo fan but i wanted to see cluster at full tilt! |
| 03:18.27 | x3n0 | work for sony |
| 03:18.35 | rpc | oh damn |
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| 03:19.24 | x3n0 | all ex workstations |
| 03:19.34 | rpc | pretty cool deal |
| 03:19.41 | GeorgeS069 | Is there a how-to or something to get ATI's fireglcontrol app working in etch w/ Xorg?I managed to get the fglrx kernel module working and configured Xorg to use flgrx.I just can't get this last thing working :( |
| 03:19.58 | Guerin | teledyn: but we don't care |
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| 03:20.18 | x3n0 | ~50 where up for grabs when core2 + bluray systems came in |
| 03:20.33 | no-remorse | do i NEED netkit-inetd? |
| 03:20.37 | rpc | x3n0 argh |
| 03:20.51 | x3n0 | missed out there |
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| 03:21.03 | rpc | x3n0 lucky to grab last 16 lol |
| 03:21.13 | rpc | damn nice |
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| 03:21.16 | mrkris | can anyone potentially explain to me the best way to get LVM running on an already running system? |
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| 03:21.23 | x3n0 | i got in first |
| 03:21.24 | nn-main | it didnt work |
| 03:21.29 | rpc | lol x3n0 |
| 03:21.30 | SirFunk | hmm.. where's the default place to put module configs in debian now? |
| 03:21.44 | nn-main | how do i build the drm thing any way |
| 03:21.53 | SirFunk | do i just make a new file in /etc/modprobe.d ? |
| 03:21.55 | nn-main | ?? |
| 03:22.02 | x3n0 | sys admin get first pick! you most know that rule? |
| 03:22.27 | rpc | aye lol |
| 03:22.31 | linux2 | anyone got any ideas |
| 03:22.37 | linux2 | should i download the source cd for debian |
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| 03:22.43 | linux2 | does that have full gcc on it? |
| 03:22.46 | linux2 | as well as bzip2 |
| 03:22.51 | teledyn | GeorgeS069: install fglrx-control ? |
| 03:22.53 | nn-main | how do i build the drm thing any way |
| 03:22.55 | x3n0 | while there i also got my desktop though! |
| 03:22.56 | rpc | x3n0 but some sysadmins are more lucky than others :s |
| 03:23.09 | no-remorse | is netkit-inetd native to just debian? |
| 03:23.16 | rpc | dog life here |
| 03:23.32 | GeorgeS069 | teledyn: I have it.it just doesn't run...just hangs...no error messages or anything |
| 03:24.49 | x3n0 | harsh |
| 03:24.58 | nn-main | rpc, you told me that link it said to build drm how do i do it |
| 03:25.06 | teledyn | GeorgeS069: i don't know. it works here. |
| 03:25.55 | x3n0 | here's a clue for spec...(socket F) |
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| 03:26.24 | rpc | x3n0 oh heh |
| 03:26.38 | x3n0 | x4 |
| 03:26.42 | rpc | x3n0 you're joking don't you |
| 03:26.44 | rpc | quad? |
| 03:26.51 | x3n0 | yup |
| 03:26.56 | rpc | damn it :) |
| 03:27.25 | rpc | any cleaner positions open there? :s |
| 03:27.31 | nn-main | bed time talk tomarrow ?? Fustrating one day it works the next it dosen't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 03:27.38 | x3n0 | 16 667 DDR2 |
| 03:27.45 | x3n0 | not that i know of |
| 03:27.47 | rpc | nice man |
| 03:28.22 | x3n0 | only 16G installed (supports <64G) |
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| 03:28.40 | x3n0 | get the idea? |
| 03:28.52 | rpc | i'm starting to shake lol |
| 03:28.55 | nn-main | dang! |
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| 03:29.07 | nn-main | what do you that ram for! |
| 03:29.09 | rpc | won't take long it seems... |
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| 03:30.06 | x3n0 | sys got infected so they desided to replace + despose of it! :) |
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| 03:30.14 | rpc | doh |
| 03:30.37 | rpc | so it got infected :s |
| 03:30.41 | x3n0 | can't afford to max it out though! :( |
| 03:31.05 | x3n0 | some pissing script kiddie |
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| 03:32.38 | x3n0 | its a bit slow... lol |
| 03:33.02 | rpc | ya, it sucks big time :) |
| 03:33.10 | x3n0 | that has good ol debs |
| 03:33.12 | x3n0 | too |
| 03:34.27 | x3n0 | one thing that really good is it possibly one of the only quadF mobos with SLi support |
| 03:34.59 | x3n0 | but i haven't even looked down that venue yet |
| 03:35.18 | rpc | mhhh |
| 03:35.38 | x3n0 | mobo is Tyan S4985G3NR btw |
| 03:35.54 | rpc | top notch |
| 03:36.18 | x3n0 | just a bit! |
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| 03:36.22 | rpc | let me guess the psu :) |
| 03:36.48 | x3n0 | shoot |
| 03:36.58 | archville | Good bittorrent program on debian (something light, azureus just does not work) ? |
| 03:37.08 | rpc | rtorrent |
| 03:37.14 | archville | rpc, ok thanks |
| 03:37.33 | rpc | x3n0 well my guess is ~900W |
| 03:37.43 | x3n0 | < |
| 03:37.51 | rpc | and the brand must be tyan as well |
| 03:37.58 | rpc | 800? |
| 03:38.09 | x3n0 | ^ |
| 03:38.18 | rpc | he he |
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| 03:38.35 | archville | A bit crude, ncurses console based, but probably will do. |
| 03:38.49 | rpc | archville you wanted something light, didn't you :s |
| 03:38.57 | Guerin | archville: it's not crude at all |
| 03:38.57 | rpc | it works damn well |
| 03:38.59 | archville | Yep |
| 03:39.14 | Guerin | archville: just because it has a curses UI doesn't mean it's not complex, powerful or good. |
| 03:39.29 | rpc | in fact it's missing absolutely nothing at all |
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| 03:40.13 | archville | Guerin, i didn't mean so, i use mc, irssi or moc player everyday |
| 03:40.13 | Guerin | rpc: mm, not quite. No DHT, no superseeding (unless added recently) |
| 03:40.13 | Guerin | archville: heh, ok. |
| 03:40.13 | rpc | hm dht isn't really this needed on most trackers |
| 03:40.19 | Guerin | no, DHT is mostly retarded |
| 03:40.19 | rpc | while many of them want you to turn it off too |
| 03:40.22 | archville | When i said "light" i was thinking something like utorrent, but i'll try this one :) |
| 03:40.41 | Guerin | but superseeding is cool |
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| 03:40.51 | rpc | archville oh you could go wild and run vbox with xp guest and utorrent inside lol |
| 03:41.00 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:41.01 | rpc | yes, superseeding is goodie |
| 03:41.01 | archville | Hell no |
| 03:41.06 | archville | :P |
| 03:41.07 | Guerin | or you could look at transmission |
| 03:41.11 | rpc | hell yes it worked for me :) |
| 03:41.15 | Guerin | i hear it's quite good |
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| 03:41.41 | rpc | hm heard good inputs on transmission but never tried it |
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| 03:42.11 | kelsin | I love rtorrent, runs in my screen session |
| 03:42.14 | Guerin | frankly, I'm put off by the fact that the screenshots are all fucking OSX |
| 03:42.21 | rpc | kelsin that's right |
| 03:42.24 | Guerin | but I hear it has a non-gui as well |
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| 03:42.39 | kelsin | I actually have firefox setup so that when I click on a torrent it downloads it to my desktop in the watch folder, even if I'm on my laptop on campus :) great little torrent program |
| 03:42.46 | rpc | Guerin mhm |
| 03:43.11 | x3n0 | rpc: given up then? ( 1000W ) dual redundant psu |
| 03:43.25 | rpc | x3n0 hrhm is it 1000? |
| 03:43.33 | Guerin | use two 500W units! |
| 03:43.33 | rpc | i would go for 950 max |
| 03:43.39 | rpc | damn sweet |
| 03:43.53 | rpc | x3n0 that's a real candy then |
| 03:44.22 | x3n0 | candy but a pig too! |
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| 03:44.31 | rpc | he he |
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| 03:44.51 | x3n0 | 8000 series opterons are 8-way |
| 03:45.11 | abrotman | 800 series ? |
| 03:45.33 | x3n0 | you try configuring apci on 32 cores |
| 03:45.40 | rpc | lol |
| 03:45.41 | abrotman | apic? |
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| 03:46.36 | x3n0 | typo acpi |
| 03:47.33 | x3n0 | but it work now... |
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| 03:53.38 | hark | omg it's full of starz, lolz |
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| 03:54.34 | x3n0 | rpc: you said that you were thinking of getting cluster setup?... |
| 03:56.26 | x3n0 | rpc: http://www.tyanpsc.com/NewsRoom/NewsroomDetail/tabid/75/Default.aspx?id=16&data=1 |
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| 03:59.20 | smacnay | Hi, I am trying to install mjpegtools with the fakeroot command and get an error on a dir that does not exist in the ./debian/ subdir. Should I just create that dir or is there another way to track down script errors? |
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| 04:00.36 | linux2 | WHAT THE HELL!!! |
| 04:00.39 | dirkson | Hey all. How do I edit which daemons load when the computer loads? |
| 04:00.47 | linux2 | why doesn't the debian install cd come with a gcc compiler |
| 04:00.51 | linux2 | as well as the make command |
| 04:00.53 | no-remorse | why cant i remove netkit-inetd? |
| 04:01.00 | linux2 | and maybe a sane system would be nice |
| 04:01.05 | linux2 | cause i can't even run ./configure |
| 04:01.23 | linux2 | what the hell am i supposed to do to compile a custom kernel for the installer? |
| 04:01.36 | linux2 | someone here must know cause there must be many cases where you have to do so |
| 04:01.47 | dirkson | linux2, apt-get ? |
| 04:01.59 | linux2 | dirkson: this is durring the installer apt-get won't help |
| 04:02.13 | dirkson | linux2, Oooh, you're right |
| 04:02.29 | linux2 | why they removed the gcc and other stuff from the installer i don't know |
| 04:02.35 | linux2 | and then didn't provide an installer with it |
| 04:02.42 | linux2 | like wtf??? that makes no sense at all |
| 04:02.58 | linux2 | so now i have to go through hell to get this to work |
| 04:03.04 | dirkson | linux2, Removing gcc and make and whatnot seems to be a common theme in today's distros. It's very, very frustrating. |
| 04:03.22 | linux2 | dirkson: maybe the debian-source cd has it? |
| 04:03.31 | linux2 | what do you think? i would hope it did otherwise its useless |
| 04:03.32 | linux2 | lol |
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| 04:03.43 | dirkson | linux2, Could be : ) |
| 04:03.43 | efaistos | hi |
| 04:03.46 | litage | am i paranoid for not wanting server status and information (eg: query results from nagios, OpenNMS or Zenoss) traversing my network in plaintext? |
| 04:04.04 | linux2 | dirkson: but then again, will it boot. is it a bootable cd with an x86 bootable kernel on the cd |
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| 04:04.30 | dirkson | litage, Maybe a little? No one ever said paranoia was bad, though... |
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| 04:04.46 | dirkson | linux2, No idea, personally : ) |
| 04:04.55 | efaistos | I didnt use my computer for 10 days and I have too many mails and fetchmail cant download the mails ... It blocks always on the first ones ... Did you have this type of problem already . |
| 04:04.59 | efaistos | ? |
| 04:05.04 | guru | what is the difference between liblame and libmp3lame? more importantly why can't i have both development packages installed at the same time? (apt removes one if i install the other) |
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| 04:05.30 | linux2 | dirkson: well wish me luck |
| 04:05.42 | x3n0 | gl |
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| 04:06.27 | dirkson | guru, My listing doesn't have the two different packages. I have one libmp3lame0. Are you running etch or sarge? |
| 04:06.35 | dirkson | linux2, Good luck! : ) |
| 04:06.46 | no-remorse | why cant i remove netkit-inetd? |
| 04:07.00 | guru | dirkson: neither, sid (or whatever the unstable distro is called now) |
| 04:07.05 | dirkson | So, does anyone know how to remove programs from the automatic startup thingie? |
| 04:07.18 | dirkson | guru, Oooh, wow! Never actually heard of that : ) |
| 04:07.39 | efaistos | nobody ? |
| 04:07.43 | guru | dirkson: you mean from init.d? |
| 04:08.38 | dirkson | guru, Aye. But I don't want to delete the files from /etc/init.d/ . Just have the startup script ignore them. (In case I want to turn them back on later, eh?) |
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| 04:09.00 | guru | dirkson: there's a way to disable them from starting up but i find it easier to unset the executable bit |
| 04:09.20 | dirkson | guru, Clever solution! |
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| 04:10.22 | guru | libmp3lame-dev - LAME Ain't an Mp3 Encoder (development) |
| 04:10.23 | guru | liblame-dev - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder |
| 04:10.45 | guru | they seem to be the same package but with different names |
| 04:10.54 | dirkson | Aye |
| 04:11.34 | dirkson | Could be some test the devs are doing. One is input into the system in a slightly different manner, that sort of thing. You're in an unstable release, dude ^.^; |
| 04:11.46 | guru | yeah i know |
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| 04:11.53 | dirkson | guru, Also: update-rc.d is the Debian way of disabling startup scripts |
| 04:11.53 | guru | never been a problem till now |
| 04:12.07 | guru | dirkson: sounds familiar...i still use chmod -x |
| 04:12.17 | guru | oh well, i give up for tonight |
| 04:12.18 | subopt | How do i get my xterms to use the Alt key as Meta, like rxvt's do? |
| 04:12.37 | dirkson | guru, You don't have a 2.6.20 kernel, do you? I've been waiting for 2.6.20 for a while. |
| 04:13.10 | x3n0 | i'm on 2.6.19... |
| 04:13.34 | guru | dirkson: nope, i'm on 18 |
| 04:13.51 | guru | dirkson: i could compile a deb package for you but not until the weekend |
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| 04:15.42 | guru | dirkson: if you're still interested send me a private message or message me on aim (prefered) and remind me |
| 04:15.43 | linux2 | dirkson: its not even bootable |
| 04:15.47 | linux2 | this is useless |
| 04:15.49 | linux2 | wtf |
| 04:15.54 | dirkson | guru, Aye. There's a deb package out there for 2.6.20... But no source deb package, |
| 04:15.57 | linux2 | why isn't there a full installer cd with gcc and make |
| 04:16.12 | dondelelcaro | linux2: gcc and make are on the first or second cd. |
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| 04:16.30 | guru | dondelelcaro: iirc it's even on the netinstall cd |
| 04:16.36 | dondelelcaro | guru: it's not |
| 04:16.41 | Guerin | dirkson: there's .20 debian kernels |
| 04:16.46 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: well they aren't loaded into the installer |
| 04:16.51 | no-remorse | dirkson, thnaks for update-rc.d tip --- i think it fixed my problem |
| 04:16.53 | linux2 | so its not very useful |
| 04:16.55 | dondelelcaro | linux2: obviously they're not in the installer |
| 04:16.56 | Guerin | linux2: no, because nobody needs them |
| 04:17.03 | linux2 | Guerin: well i need them |
| 04:17.12 | Guerin | linux2: go use your own damn cd then |
| 04:17.18 | Guerin | this one is for *everyone* |
| 04:17.26 | dondelelcaro | linux2: why? Build the modules somewhere and load them, or start the install and build them on your new install. |
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| 04:17.39 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: i cannot load the modules with the default installer |
| 04:17.53 | linux2 | and to begin with i need it to have the module built into the kernel |
| 04:17.55 | Guerin | linux2: what kernel verion supports your shit? |
| 04:17.57 | dondelelcaro | linux2: why not? there's nothing stoping you from building the modules against the kernel that the installer uses. |
| 04:17.58 | linux2 | according to this website it doesn't work |
| 04:18.04 | linux2 | http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20060520133930860 |
| 04:18.17 | guru | what's the command to dpkg that lists the files to be installed without actually installing them? |
| 04:18.21 | linux2 | well i want my root filesystem on a compaq smart raid array |
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| 04:18.28 | linux2 | now if you can find an easy way to do it then tell me |
| 04:18.38 | Guerin | linux2: answer my question |
| 04:18.43 | linux2 | but guess what, there isn't. and especially since its an eisa controller. |
| 04:18.50 | linux2 | Guerin: any from 2.4 |
| 04:18.56 | linux2 | so im using 2.6 on the installer |
| 04:18.59 | Guerin | linux2: oh, so the problem is that you're using retarded hardware |
| 04:19.10 | linux2 | Guerin: its very good hardware actually |
| 04:19.11 | dondelelcaro | linux2: so why don't use use the sarge installer with 2.4? |
| 04:19.15 | Guerin | linux2: so it's a config issue on your end |
| 04:19.37 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: well the sytem freezes when i run modprobe cpqarray eisa=0x1000 |
| 04:19.39 | linux2 | i don't know why |
| 04:19.48 | linux2 | if that worked then i might be able to get somewhere |
| 04:19.52 | linux2 | but it just doesn't |
| 04:20.01 | linux2 | and i can't figure out why either |
| 04:20.08 | linux2 | it only does it on debian as far as i can tell |
| 04:20.14 | linux2 | appears to work alright in mandriva |
| 04:20.16 | Guerin | do you know the card works? |
| 04:20.18 | Guerin | ok |
| 04:20.30 | Guerin | switch to whatever kernelt he mandriva uses |
| 04:20.32 | linux2 | yeah the card works perfectly |
| 04:20.42 | linux2 | Guerin: yeah i did and even compiled my own but still no luck in debian |
| 04:20.49 | linux2 | i used to just error out and not work |
| 04:20.53 | dondelelcaro | linux2: if you can boot using mandriva, then boot and install using debootstrap |
| 04:20.54 | linux2 | now it locks up |
| 04:21.00 | linux2 | im not sure which on is worse |
| 04:21.27 | StuckMojo | 584 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 17 not upgraded. |
| 04:21.27 | linux2 | debootstrap? |
| 04:21.31 | StuckMojo | yikes |
| 04:21.41 | dondelelcaro | !debootstrap |
| 04:21.42 | dpkg | debootstrap is probably <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 04:22.27 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: well i will try the stable releast of debian and if not then do that |
| 04:23.04 | x3n0 | back to my bastard laptop again |
| 04:23.55 | dondelelcaro | linux2: you use debootstrap to install the stable release of Debian. |
| 04:24.09 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, that's basically what the installer itself uses) |
| 04:24.10 | linux2 | x3n0: i have bought 3 new laptops and none of which fully work with linux, it really gets annoying after a while |
| 04:24.26 | g333k_laptop | hi, why in the kde apps I see weird characters in the filenames? |
| 04:24.31 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: then what does debian etch use? |
| 04:24.32 | x3n0 | tell me about it! |
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| 04:25.23 | Nivi | i got a problem here, can someone solve it ? |
| 04:25.36 | x3n0 | onboard wireless isn't supported in this heap of shite |
| 04:25.51 | x3n0 | shoot |
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| 04:26.26 | Nivi | i got a problem "The binary output of gcc on your system was not found." |
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| 04:26.37 | Nivi | when i was doing 'make' |
| 04:26.52 | dondelelcaro | Nivi: have you installed build-essential? |
| 04:27.03 | Nivi | sorry im kinda nub into this |
| 04:27.08 | dondelelcaro | Nivi: what are you trying to build, and what is the exact output? |
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| 04:27.16 | Nivi | but last time i was doing same thing it can compiled it but today it can't |
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| 04:27.28 | anson | anyone know how to get java script working for mozilla? |
| 04:27.33 | Nivi | Checking for ar... /usr/bin/ar |
| 04:27.33 | Nivi | Checking for C compiler default output... cc1: error: unrecognized option `-Wextra' |
| 04:27.33 | Nivi | not found |
| 04:28.38 | Nivi | that is my problem, its just appear today |
| 04:29.51 | dondelelcaro | Nivi: run whereis gcc |
| 04:30.01 | dondelelcaro | Nivi: and gcc --version; |
| 04:30.17 | Nivi | gcc: /usr/bin/gcc /usr/share/man/man1/gcc.1.gz |
| 04:30.34 | Nivi | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
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| 04:31.37 | Nivi | something problem ? |
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| 04:32.37 | dondelelcaro | Nivi: which version of Debian are you running? what does gcc -Wextra; do? |
| 04:32.52 | Nivi | its compiling thing |
| 04:32.59 | Nivi | ./configure --with-mysql --with-make |
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| 04:37.18 | linux2 | umm still this is not possib |
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| 04:40.08 | zpertee | need asterisk on debian can't get debian package to work |
| 04:41.57 | dondelelcaro | it's definetly possible, but unbounding negativity will rapidly eliminate anyone who wishes to help you make it happen. |
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| 05:00.23 | subopt | How do i get my xterms to use the Alt key as Meta, like rxvt's do? |
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| 05:00.30 | rideick | galera |
| 05:00.34 | rideick | alguem pode me ajudar? |
| 05:00.41 | markybob | !br |
| 05:00.41 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 05:01.26 | g333k_laptop | hi, why in the kde apps I see weird characters in the filenames? |
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| 05:01.39 | g333k_laptop | hi, why in the kde apps I see weird characters in the spanish filenames? * |
| 05:02.24 | n3kl | Anyone have any expierence with audio production in linux? |
| 05:05.46 | markybob | n3kl, i know there are specialized distributions for it |
| 05:05.51 | markybob | n3kl, like ubuntu studio |
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| 05:30.38 | linux2 | anyone know where i can find old debian install cdimages? |
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| 05:41.13 | Snake-Eyes | is any real security issue with leaving compilation software on a box, when people can just scp what binary they need across ? |
| 05:41.14 | Snake-Eyes | *ever |
| 05:41.18 | rpc | do i need to adjust tcp window size for a gigabit networking? |
| 05:41.22 | dondelelcaro | Snake-Eyes: not really; the main reason why you don't keep it there is because it stops casual compiling. |
| 05:41.48 | Snake-Eyes | dondelelcaro, casual comiling ? |
| 05:41.49 | dondelelcaro | Snake-Eyes: it can stymie script kiddies, though. |
| 05:42.14 | dondelelcaro | Snake-Eyes: people building things which haven't been ok'ed by the administrator, etc. |
| 05:42.42 | dondelelcaro | (not that you can even stop that then, but it does make it more difficult, and increases the amount of clue required) |
| 05:42.48 | linux2 | anyone have a copy of debian woody cd image 1 |
| 05:42.50 | Snake-Eyes | dondelelcaro, ah ok, cause in my case a very small number people have access to the box |
| 05:42.51 | linux2 | i need that cd |
| 05:42.55 | linux2 | why isn't it anywhere |
| 05:42.57 | linux2 | wtf? |
| 05:43.12 | linux2 | once again the debian distro failes to make any sense when it comes to installation |
| 05:43.23 | dondelelcaro | linux2: can you stop with the rediculous claims? |
| 05:43.34 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: well its true |
| 05:43.38 | dondelelcaro | if you want to complain, do so elsewhere. |
| 05:43.42 | dondelelcaro | or help out. |
| 05:43.43 | linux2 | the kernel in debian won't work with the cpqarray module |
| 05:43.46 | linux2 | for no reason at all |
| 05:43.51 | scx | anyone has experienced weird sound in Quake? I was told there could not be sound and to try OSS instead of ALSA but I have sound anyways, I tried to use OSS emulation ... I just want to know if someone have had that problem... |
| 05:43.51 | linux2 | like its not even debugable |
| 05:43.57 | linux2 | but it works fine in mandriva |
| 05:43.59 | dondelelcaro | linux2: so file bugs |
| 05:44.06 | linux2 | i did file bugs like 2 years ago |
| 05:44.09 | linux2 | it was never solved |
| 05:44.50 | dondelelcaro | then pay someone to fix it |
| 05:44.57 | Snake-Eyes | scx, so you do or dont have the sound problem ? |
| 05:45.10 | dondelelcaro | http://archive.debian.org/dists/Debian-3.0/main/disks-i386/current/images-2.88/ <-- here are the images for woody. |
| 05:45.35 | scx | I was told I won't have sound with ALSA but I do, the problem is the sound is very weird |
| 05:45.50 | subir | hi |
| 05:45.55 | scx | either using ALSA or OSS emu |
| 05:46.05 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: doesn't seem very worth it |
| 05:46.11 | dondelelcaro | and if you do an obvious google search, you can find the cd images. [But we no longer distribute them.] |
| 05:46.22 | dondelelcaro | linux2: so why are you complaining? |
| 05:46.23 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: im just rather frustrated that this is taking much longer than i expected |
| 05:46.25 | scx | it's like an echoed cybernetic sound :s |
| 05:46.29 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: i do appologize |
| 05:46.42 | rpc | what is the proper MTU value for 100mbit? does 1500 sound sane? |
| 05:46.49 | dondelelcaro | rpc: that's a good starting point |
| 05:46.55 | subir | i tried to get debian installer booted from my dvd writer drive, but couldn't |
| 05:46.56 | dondelelcaro | rpc: the right MTU really depends on the other hardware |
| 05:47.13 | dondelelcaro | subir: which installer, and where did it fail? |
| 05:47.14 | rpc | dondelelcaro networking is very slow right now |
| 05:47.24 | scx | 1500 is fine |
| 05:47.24 | rpc | dondelelcaro i'm trying to find the bottleneck |
| 05:47.36 | rpc | and if the nic is 1gbit? |
| 05:47.38 | scx | (mostly times) |
| 05:47.40 | dondelelcaro | rpc: I'd try changing out cables first before screwing with the MTU |
| 05:47.43 | linux2 | don_inlab: humm no cd images?> |
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| 05:47.51 | rpc | cables are really ok |
| 05:47.56 | dondelelcaro | linux2: 21:46:11 <dondelelcaro> and if you do an obvious google search, you can find the cd images. [But we no longer distribute them.] |
| 05:48.10 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: i did a bunch of google searches |
| 05:48.14 | linux2 | for at least 10 minutes |
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| 05:48.23 | subir | dondelelcaro, i'm trying to use debian cd on my dvd writer drive, but it doesn't boot from it |
| 05:48.25 | linux2 | and didn't return back any pages that were still hosting the images |
| 05:48.34 | dondelelcaro | linux2: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=woody+cd+images |
| 05:48.39 | linux2 | so if you know of one then i would appreciate it if you were able to supply it |
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| 05:48.49 | rpc | hm i just read that the mtu should be 9000 in case of GigE |
| 05:49.03 | subir | dondelelcaro, debian testing |
| 05:49.16 | dondelelcaro | subir: where does it fail? Does it even start booting? |
| 05:49.48 | subir | dondelelcaro, no it doesn't boot at all |
| 05:49.52 | linux2 | http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/images/woody/i386/?fl= |
| 05:49.56 | linux2 | finally found a place |
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| 05:50.00 | linux2 | that was rather annoying |
| 05:50.10 | dondelelcaro | http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ <-- the very second hit... |
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| 05:50.22 | subir | dondelelcaro, it stops at 'booting from cd' and boots from hard drive |
| 05:50.22 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: sorry about the nusance, frustration can get us all. can it not? |
| 05:50.36 | dondelelcaro | subir: that sounds like a bad burn then |
| 05:51.07 | dondelelcaro | linux2: it can, but when it happens it's better to just walk away |
| 05:51.11 | subir | dondelelcaro, the same cd works in another one where there's also dvd writer |
| 05:51.23 | linux2 | dondelelcaro: i shall remember that for next time |
| 05:51.36 | linux2 | http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20060520133930860 |
| 05:51.45 | linux2 | do you know what version of debian that is referring to? |
| 05:51.49 | dondelelcaro | nope |
| 05:51.56 | linux2 | cause cpqarray appears to work there |
| 05:51.57 | dondelelcaro | probably sarge given the date, though. |
| 05:51.58 | linux2 | for some reason |
| 05:52.05 | linux2 | yeah that is what i thought to |
| 05:52.15 | linux2 | but i found another page that looks older that contains the same info |
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| 05:52.24 | linux2 | i think it was dated 2004 if i can find it somewhere |
| 05:52.40 | subir | dondelelcaro, from this same drive, others like ubuntu and fedora are in fact booting from the same drive |
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| 05:53.12 | subir | dondelelcaro, i tried in 3 dvd writer drives and it failed in 2 of them |
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| 06:00.10 | scx | crap the crows sound like cyborg crows |
| 06:00.22 | scx | (in Quake) |
| 06:00.46 | scx | same on all distros |
| 06:00.53 | The_Ranman | Ubuntu is better... |
| 06:01.02 | scx | Ubuntu sucks troll |
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| 06:01.43 | scx | well Ubuntu doesn't sucks |
| 06:01.49 | scx | just it's users |
| 06:02.06 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.25 | The_Ranman | I'm a gnome not a troll |
| 06:02.25 | krazykit | nah, it's just that they're too lazy to search the wiki or rtfm |
| 06:03.32 | stew | please keep it on topic |
| 06:03.32 | The_Ranman | I loved debian until it deleted my thesis because of an itsy little error on my part |
| 06:03.33 | krazykit | i liked ubuntu til their build of amarok corrupted 20 albums of mine. |
| 06:03.33 | scx | I just see *buntu users trolling on every channel I see, Degian SuSE Gentoo Fedora... always trolling those bast**ds |
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| 06:03.41 | krazykit | every distro has problems now and again. |
| 06:03.42 | stew | scx: drop it |
| 06:04.14 | The_Ranman | Well SuSE sucks... gentoo is nice, fedora is nice... debian used to be nice |
| 06:04.30 | dragonfly | Hi all, I was just reading a bunch of information about Dell possibly moving to have somesort of linux support or at least acknowledge linux |
| 06:04.38 | The_Ranman | Slashdot? |
| 06:04.49 | dragonfly | there is a lot of talk on the blogs about ubuntu and also suse and red hat but very little about debian |
| 06:04.54 | scx | If I had oper here I'd kick you aou |
| 06:04.56 | scx | t |
| 06:05.21 | scx | anyway... |
| 06:05.36 | krazykit | of course there's a lot of talk on "the blogs" |
| 06:05.46 | dragonfly | .....anyone know if the Debian project leaders have made any effort to contact Dell in regards to some of that stuff |
| 06:06.16 | The_Ranman | No they don't really understand the word effort... |
| 06:07.00 | krazykit | if dell makes sure the hardware works for one distro, it'll work for all of them. |
| 06:07.01 | dragonfly | It sounds like Dell is working towards "certification" to be sure that the hardware will be compatible with a given distro of linux, just thought it would be nice if Debian was on the list that it has been "certified" for |
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| 06:08.01 | dragonfly | krazykit, yes, unless a necessary driver is posted as an rpm package on a redhat server or something else like that |
| 06:08.20 | krazykit | only if the driver is closed source |
| 06:08.30 | krazykit | in which case it won't be included in debian anyway |
| 06:09.04 | stew | anything that would be done to make a dell work under linux will quickly be included in debian, so long as the software is free |
| 06:09.07 | scx | Hrdly Debian would be "Certified" with Dell |
| 06:09.14 | scx | and anyone cares tho |
| 06:09.16 | krazykit | but i can't think of much hardware that really needs that in dells |
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| 06:09.38 | scx | "Certification" is just a bussines label |
| 06:09.45 | krazykit | server-side, it'd be any proprietary scsi stuff, in which case you'd probably not buy that server anyway |
| 06:09.49 | SubStack | certification-- |
| 06:09.53 | scx | to cheat comnpany directors |
| 06:09.55 | dragonfly | well, wireless cards, video, bluetooth, etc |
| 06:10.23 | krazykit | wireless is being worked on. the only cards that don't work are broadcom, really. |
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| 06:10.40 | krazykit | and that's only bcm4312 and above that don't work, last i checked |
| 06:10.52 | scx | certification usually is done just with comercial software like RH SLES or Win |
| 06:10.55 | krazykit | 4306 and 4311 worked reasonably well. |
| 06:11.12 | SubStack | this realtek chipset didn't work until I went into the code and changed the irq assignment |
| 06:11.13 | markybob | 4312 works now |
| 06:11.20 | krazykit | dell can't do anything about video cards: the ball's in ati and nvidia's court |
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| 06:12.04 | dragonfly | unless there is an alternative that they can use that would be more workable....and the pressure of a large vendor to change something may help with those issues |
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| 06:12.31 | krazykit | there are only 3 majors in video, though. nvidia, ati, and intel |
| 06:12.33 | scx | besides Dell drivers are terrible even in Win... |
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| 06:12.48 | dragonfly | well, at any rate I think it would be wonderful if there was a way we could ensure that Debian would not be left out of the list if/when this does gain momentum |
| 06:12.51 | scx | krazykit: and intel is a tiny one |
| 06:13.04 | dragonfly | right now it looks like the front runners in the conversations are kubutu and suse |
| 06:13.22 | krazykit | intel graphics are damn nice now though |
| 06:14.54 | krazykit | at least if you're not a gamer. |
| 06:15.15 | Supaplex | how can I tell what versions of build deps a package was built with? The debian/control file isn't explicint about the versions for some of the deps I'm trying to isolate bugs in. (nsis) |
| 06:15.25 | dragonfly | here's a quote from one of the articles: In a statement issued on its Web site, Dell said it had taken notice of the suggestions made on the IdeaStorm. But it stopped short of offering pre-installed Linux, and instead said it would certify some of its corporate machines with Novell's Suse Linux software. Certification should mean that Suse would function smoothly on all Dell PCs. |
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| 06:15.55 | nangruto | i've got this -- invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed -- while installing mysql5 |
| 06:16.21 | scx | dragonfly: well, it already does... |
| 06:16.32 | scx | dragonfly: as well as Sarge :) |
| 06:17.41 | nangruto | i tried to --reinstall it |
| 06:19.00 | scx | Dell is not the best HW maker anyway, soI'd just worry about IBM or HP |
| 06:19.37 | nangruto | it happened after i remove --purge mysql4 from my etch and try to install a new one |
| 06:19.45 | dragonfly | scx, I realize this and you realize this, but the point I'm making is that if Dell is saying "In order to give you more options and support linux, SUSE Linux works on these machines" the average person who may be considering trying out linux will want to try suse or whatever is supported/"recommended" by the maker of their machine (i.e. Dell) |
| 06:20.17 | Supaplex | dragonfly: your point? |
| 06:20.48 | Supaplex | nm, I caught most of the hardware compatibility in the backlog. |
| 06:21.14 | Supaplex | they haven't stated which line of machines they will support, or what hardware. while it's promising, they haven't actually commited to anything yet. |
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| 06:22.21 | Supaplex | they do contract bidding with a supply chain of partners. they can ask for a new line of hardware, and they'll get a small bidding war on who will make what for them. |
| 06:22.42 | scx | HP already does/did in a few machines IBM don't say... maybe I'm biased against Dell anyways |
| 06:22.47 | Supaplex | but I'm all for more mainstream support :) |
| 06:23.01 | dragonfly | I agree that there are other makers such as HP who make just as good of products, etc, but the big picture is that Dell has a very large market share and these developments are going to help linux gain more popularity among the people who have never used and barely heard of anything besides windows. I think it would be a very smart move for the leaders of the Debian project and a good thing for all users of Debian if Debian was include |
| 06:23.01 | dragonfly | d in the list/comments of compatible OS's from Dell when this is released or else all these new users are going to go to the other distros that are mentioned |
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| 06:24.50 | Supaplex | but what are we obligated to do for them? |
| 06:25.20 | Supaplex | that all depends on what Dell is after. I think they lean to SuSE for B2B issues. |
| 06:25.38 | scx | maybe not, many of the Win users doesn't even know abot Vista or even that they have XP! I agree it would be fine to be able to buy the computers with Linux or Win and that it would be fgood for Linux but maybe no, 'cause many users are ignorant and they'll start blaming Linux |
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| 06:26.29 | teledyn | what is a B2B issue? |
| 06:26.43 | Supaplex | business to business |
| 06:26.46 | krazykit | and users don't blame windows for computer problems? |
| 06:26.52 | scx | I was in a company that sold Computers with both Debioan and Win but people always was blaming Lin for their own ignorance and claimed to sustitute Lin with Win (Just to realize things are worse :p) |
| 06:26.55 | krazykit | they blame whatever they use. |
| 06:27.38 | damog | scx: That just happens everywhere in the world. |
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| 06:28.40 | scx | yes but in Linux they are even more decided and in Win, some accept their noobiness and others believe it is normal things like spyware |
| 06:28.43 | Supaplex | don't let lusers back linux into a corner because of something you can't control. if they're dumb, so what. if their hardware sucks, so what. |
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| 06:29.04 | scx | :) |
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| 06:29.25 | piper69 | hi all |
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| 06:30.31 | scx | For company it is fine, and maybe if the "Certified" computers are just the top 3 computers of Desktop and LapTop, maybe it would actually be a good idea since the dumbest customers rarely buy the best machines... |
| 06:30.47 | piper69 | do you guys advice to use ndiswrapper for my linksys pcmcia wpc11 ver 4 |
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| 06:31.06 | krazykit | piper69, only if there are no native drivers |
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| 06:31.24 | Supaplex | I avoid propritary driver hardware where possible =) |
| 06:31.42 | piper69 | krazykit: how would i know if it has native |
| 06:31.49 | krazykit | piper69, lspcmcia should tell you what chipset it uses |
| 06:31.59 | krazykit | i think it's in pcmcia-tools or something |
| 06:32.22 | krazykit | then you can google the chipset and see if there are drivers |
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| 06:33.32 | teledyn | some native drivers can suck though. ndiswrapper is better than acx100 |
| 06:33.46 | scx | piper69: http://linuxwless.passys.nl/ |
| 06:35.44 | piper69 | scx: that site doen't work |
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| 06:36.35 | scx | yes it does |
| 06:36.42 | scx | oh! |
| 06:36.53 | scx | it worked 3 min ago... |
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| 06:37.24 | scx | dunno, maybe in a few minutes more... |
| 06:37.30 | piper69 | krazykit: i don't see it in ifconfig, and lspcmcia doesn't work |
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| 06:38.04 | krazykit | piper69, you need to install a package for lspcmcia |
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| 06:38.15 | krazykit | pcmcia-tools, i thought, or something like that. |
| 06:38.39 | krazykit | i never bothered to install it on my laptop, as i don't use pcmcia card |
| 06:38.41 | krazykit | s |
| 06:39.08 | krazykit | but i'm off to bed now |
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| 06:40.34 | piper69 | krazykit: good night bro |
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| 06:44.09 | x3n0 | :( |
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| 06:44.54 | x3n0 | i'm on 2.6.19... |
| 06:45.12 | ljlolel | I kind of bonked my installation, is there a way to reinstall everything as if I were installing it -- without actually pulling out my cd's, some kind of apt-get system reinstall? |
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| 06:48.25 | phorce1 | ljlolel: how badly bonked? |
| 06:49.09 | ljlolel | phorce1, not really too badly -- i just can't get X to work -- I don't really want to troubleshoot -- I know redoing all the packages will fix everything, so I just want to do that |
| 06:50.09 | ljlolel | reinstalling |
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| 06:51.47 | markybob | would ssh or https have the most overhead as far as authentication is concerned? |
| 06:51.57 | Guerin | markybob: inconsequential |
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| 06:52.12 | phorce1 | ljlolel: try dpkg-rconfigure --priority=medium xorg (or maybe xserver-xorg) |
| 06:52.52 | phorce1 | s/dpkg-rconfigure/dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:53.14 | ljlolel | i've done all this, several times -- it's just annoying to fix, it always happens, i just want to make it clean |
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| 06:54.46 | phorce1 | ljlolel: you can try running 'tasksel' to re-do everything that came after the "base install" |
| 06:55.53 | piper69 | will someone please help me with this card |
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| 06:56.13 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 06:56.34 | Ramattack | does anybody know how to know the block size on you're filesystem? |
| 06:56.37 | piper69 | anyone here had experince with Linksys wireless-B WCP11 pcmcia card...please help |
| 06:57.07 | ljlolel | phorce1, interesting |
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| 06:57.53 | hark | purge x11-common/xserver-common, if only a reinstall helps you... |
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| 06:58.31 | Ramattack | does anybody how could I get information about my filesystem? basically of my block size? |
| 06:58.45 | markybob | Ramattack, which filesystem? |
| 06:58.56 | Ramattack | ext3 |
| 06:59.06 | Ramattack | I wanted to know wich block size do I have |
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| 07:00.22 | markybob | Ramattack, there's a chart in there with block size info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 07:00.41 | Ramattack | yep that's what I wanted to know for.... |
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| 07:00.58 | Ramattack | with the block size you've you can now the max size and max inodes of you're partition |
| 07:01.08 | piper69 | anyone here had experince with Linksys wireless-B WCP11 pcmcia card...please help |
| 07:02.13 | Ramattack | sorry piper69 can't help you.... not used... |
| 07:03.02 | phorce1 | stupid flashplayer. Be nice if the linux versions would catch up so I could view the youtube stuff that gets linked on my Volkswagen lists without waiting until I get to work on a Winbox |
| 07:03.34 | ljlolel | linux flash 9 beta works great |
| 07:03.37 | hark | Ramattack: man dumpe2fs |
| 07:03.43 | ljlolel | for me |
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| 07:04.58 | Ramattack | thanks a lot hark let's see... |
| 07:05.47 | hark | flash 9 has been released, fyi |
| 07:05.53 | phorce1 | ljlolel: thanks -- /me is heading out for a manual install then |
| 07:06.23 | hark | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:06.25 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
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| 07:08.23 | phorce1 | hark: hmmm -- I never saw that. I've always installed swf-player. Guess I always apt-cache searched for "swf" rather than "flash" |
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| 07:08.27 | piper69 | oh well maybe i will just use a diffrent card i have like 4 here let see |
| 07:09.33 | Ramattack | hark thanks a lot |
| 07:09.46 | Ramattack | get!!!! bye folks |
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| 07:17.37 | unlink | when i run start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /tmp/asdf --exec some-long-running-app, no pidfile is generated |
| 07:18.11 | unlink | is the app expected to generate it? |
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| 07:20.53 | teledyn | unlink: -p only checks whether it had created a pid file |
| 07:21.03 | teledyn | (according to man page) |
| 07:21.08 | josh415 | "ls --fullpath" doesn't seem to work on debian linux. what's the simplest way to list files with their full paths? |
| 07:21.22 | teledyn | unlink: see -m |
| 07:22.06 | teledyn | start-stop-daemon --start -m -p /tmp/asdf --exec /usr/bin/yes |
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| 07:24.01 | xerophyte_ | is there anyway you can view the volume lable for the partition? i know you can set with tune2fs , how can i view them ? |
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| 07:25.12 | Ozux | is there any body who use EZmlm? |
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| 07:26.16 | josh415 | xerophyte_: e2label does it for ext2. |
| 07:26.34 | Ozux | I want to add a list of e-mail addresses simultaneity into ezmlm? But I can't find a solution! |
| 07:26.57 | unlink | teledyn: thanks |
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| 07:27.42 | enouf | josh415: man basename? |
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| 07:27.57 | enouf | bah josh415 .. that does the opposite ..heh |
| 07:27.57 | xixor | hey everyone, I am having a strange problem with a new debian install. Everything seems to be woring great, and the computer is running smoothly. However, I use the machine remotely using NX, and every now and then, NX stops responding. I think that it has something to do with the linux system momentarily stopping and then starting the ethernet |
| 07:28.33 | josh415 | enouf: yeah :) |
| 07:29.18 | josh415 | xixor: i think there'd be a log entry for each occurrence of that. |
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| 07:29.21 | enouf | josh415: ls has a 'follow symlinks' option iirc .. like -H or deference or something |
| 07:29.26 | xixor | josh415: just getting to that |
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| 07:29.36 | xixor | josh415: the only log I can find is in /var/log/messages |
| 07:29.39 | xixor | there is this: e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link down, e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link down,e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex |
| 07:29.50 | vickersn | Hi everyone, I have a problem with lmsensors, specifically pwmconfig says there is no devices in /sys/bus/i2c/devices, however modules are loaded correctly and 'sensors' returns valid info. /sys/bus/i2c/devices is empty |
| 07:30.08 | josh415 | xixor: do the timestamps for those entries correspond with the times you lose connectivity? |
| 07:30.21 | enouf | xerophyte_: lshal | grep volume.label |
| 07:30.29 | xixor | josh415: it seems to coincide for most of them |
| 07:30.45 | xixor | josh415: but I think there were times I had lost connectivity, but that did not appear in the log |
| 07:31.07 | xixor | the other thing that is interesting, is that everytime I connect to freenode using bitchx or xchat, I loose connectivity momentarily |
| 07:31.39 | josh415 | i guess you could continuously ping the remote machine and see if you also lose connectivity there during your blackouts. |
| 07:31.49 | teledyn | josh415: dirname <file> |
| 07:32.20 | xixor | josh415: hm.. maybe |
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| 07:32.54 | teledyn | maybe not :-( |
| 07:32.58 | josh415 | teledyn: hmm. i think i'll just use "find". :) thanks though. |
| 07:33.35 | josh415 | enouf: yeah, ls -H has to do with symlinks. not quite it, but thx. |
| 07:33.39 | jerome | hum, I have a annoying problem when upgrading my sid box. openbsd can't get configured as netbase isn't configured yet. Tho, netbase depends on openbsd inetd ... |
| 07:33.41 | tarzeau | good morning |
| 07:34.04 | Dewi | Anyone know whether those Maxtor external drives with RAID can be made to talk to linux? |
| 07:34.34 | unlink | i'm getting this error: /sbin/start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 29374: No such process |
| 07:34.48 | unlink | yet, not only is there a process 29374, but the s-s-d command kills it |
| 07:36.09 | streuner | jerome: show us the whole error in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
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| 07:36.32 | streuner | jerome: /msg dpkg sid faq (as well) |
| 07:37.06 | enouf | xerophyte_: also if no hal installed . .. ls -al /dev/disk/by-label |
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| 07:37.50 | vickersn | pwmconfig returns the following error: /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: No sensors found! (modprobe sensor modules?) |
| 07:37.53 | teledyn | josh415: realpath |
| 07:37.55 | vickersn | yet modules are loaded |
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| 07:38.10 | phorce1 | josh415: find `pwd` -maxdepth 1 |
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| 07:39.13 | xerophyte_ | enouf, what if the kernerl switch eth0 into eth1 is there anyway i can lable the eth0 so it will be always eth0 just wondering is there anyway to lable the eth .. i mean i used shorewall it need the interface named in the interfaces when the kernel switch eth0 to eth1 all the traffic get blocked is there anyway i can label |
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| 07:39.16 | phorce1 | josh415: or, of course, find /home/user/ -maxdepth 1 |
| 07:39.43 | xkod | Ever seen those movies that you put up something on a software and it tells you how you would act or how you should act? Is there any like this? I'd like to see the source of something like that |
| 07:39.43 | xkod | I mean, the softwares are commonly shown on computer movies |
| 07:39.45 | xixor | is there a .deb for 2.6.20 out? |
| 07:40.40 | streuner | no |
| 07:40.46 | josh415 | phorce1: thx |
| 07:41.16 | xkod | Like a simulator, i don't know ;] |
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| 07:41.17 | josh415 | teledyn: hmm, no "realpath" on my sys. will look for that. |
| 07:41.17 | teledyn | josh415: need to install it |
| 07:41.17 | streuner | xkod: if you talking about kernels (/msg dpkg search) |
| 07:41.17 | jerome | streuner: I stopped inetd as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386469 says to |
| 07:41.24 | enouf | xerophyte_: udev rules |
| 07:41.31 | vickersn | xixor: you could download from kernel.org |
| 07:41.34 | xkod | streuner, i think i am not |
| 07:41.37 | stoned | hi |
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| 07:42.01 | Edward_TLS | I put net.ipv4.tcp_max_syn_backlog=2048 and Still I don't get more then 256 SYN_RECV with netstat |
| 07:42.11 | teledyn | xkod: you can make one with make-kpkg from kernel-package |
| 07:42.58 | xkod | Guess I put on a software that I will play football and my arms are broken, it would tell me not to play, like AI inteligence, is it like a kernel? I am not sure |
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| 07:44.33 | vickersn | is anyone able to help with my pwmconfig/lm-sensors question? |
| 07:45.11 | teledyn | xkod: no |
| 07:45.13 | xixor | I think that there is a problem with acpi and my ethernet driver, does passing acpi=off boot have any consequences I should be worried about? |
| 07:45.16 | enouf | xerophyte_: /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html .. and /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and /etc/udev/persistent-net-generator.rules .. |
| 07:46.01 | xerophyte_ | eniac, thx |
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| 07:46.24 | enouf | xerophyte_: unless your thinking of IPmasquerading or something .. |
| 07:46.59 | enouf | xerophyte_: teh udev rules enable you to assign a specific name/lable to a specific device/interface |
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| 07:47.24 | xerophyte_ | enouf, perfect thx lot .. i will read about those |
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| 07:48.39 | enouf | vickersn: what does pwnconfig do exactly? |
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| 07:51.49 | hark | it pwns! |
| 07:52.04 | enouf | !pwned hark |
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| 07:52.27 | enouf | dpkg .. what's with you gal .. get with the 1337 times .. |
| 07:52.36 | vickersn | enouf: it is a bash script, that so far as I can tell, tries to configure fan speeds |
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| 07:53.15 | caipiira | hmmmm anyone know a way to make QT apps use the gnome theme in gnome ? |
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| 07:54.55 | enouf | vickersn: well .. not sure if it's cpufreq related type deal .. where you want/need acpi, acpid, acpi-utils, ... not sure, haven't used lm-sensors |
| 07:56.04 | hark | use a theme like klearlook? |
| 07:56.28 | vickersn | enouf: part of the script is to check if /sys/bus/i2c/devices or /proc/sys/dev/sensors have anything in them. I don't have anything in either, yet sensors returns the info, so the loaded modules are working at least in part. The internet is pretty light on info |
| 07:56.39 | caipiira | yeah |
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| 07:56.53 | enouf | vickersn: it's not a premission issue .. is it? .. I don't know what kind of error /usr/sbin/pwnconfig throws when it doesn't have permission to locate/access sensors |
| 07:57.17 | caipiira | actually they look like a ugly win3.1 app |
| 07:57.47 | hark | !typosmite enouf |
| 07:57.58 | hark | !find pwmconfig |
| 07:57.59 | enouf | vickersn: which modules are loaded? .. pastebin if necessary |
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| 07:58.12 | caipiira | for example scribus! |
| 07:58.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pwmconfig' (1): (/usr/sbin/pwmconfig) in utils/lm-sensors. |
| 07:58.21 | xssa | hi |
| 07:58.44 | x3n0 | is there a way of creating a swap file at the end of my ext3 file sys? |
| 07:59.04 | xssa | how can I create a file.tar.gz file |
| 07:59.06 | tarzeau | x3n0: not really, no |
| 07:59.08 | enouf | x3n0: yes .. but why? |
| 07:59.17 | tarzeau | xssa: tar cvf file.tar.gz dir |
| 07:59.20 | tarzeau | enouf: how? |
| 07:59.52 | enouf | tarzeau: you dd a file |
| 07:59.58 | xerophyte_ | if you put fallback 1 in the menu.lst will that boot with kernel 1 if the kernel 0 panic ? |
| 08:00.01 | x3n0 | i have a bastardised install of knoppix upgraded to sid... |
| 08:00.02 | tarzeau | enouf: to where? |
| 08:00.09 | tarzeau | enouf: but you can't say where on the filesystem it is |
| 08:00.13 | enouf | tarzeau: wherever you like ;-) |
| 08:00.32 | tarzeau | enouf: that'll break your filesystem. it's a swapfile he wants |
| 08:00.37 | enouf | x3n0: ask #knoppix please |
| 08:00.55 | x3n0 | install didn't give the option to create a swap then so i really need to now |
| 08:01.04 | enouf | tarzeau: I know, I've done it before .. lemme check something |
| 08:01.09 | tarzeau | x3n0: you can just create a swap file. don't bother where it is |
| 08:01.34 | tarzeau | enouf: don't bother, he's not got debian |
| 08:01.57 | enouf | tarzeau: I can see that ;-) .. my info would be for our discussion ;-) |
| 08:02.25 | x3n0 | i haven'ix either like i said it is a bastardised sys |
| 08:02.38 | vickersn | enouf: no the problem is simply that there's nothing in those directories, which is what the pwmconfig script tests for. I'm guessing that the loaded modules are supposed to put something there |
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| 08:04.40 | vickersn | enouf: lsmod = vt1211, hwmon_vid, i2c_viapro, i2c_isa |
| 08:04.41 | x3n0 | i haven't got knoppix either! like i said it is a bastardised system! |
| 08:05.38 | xixor | hey everyone, I am trying to pass acpi=off to the kernel, so I edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, and then run update-grub. After running update-grub, and looking at the menu.lst file, the option I added acpi=off, is there a different mechanism for passing options to the kernel? |
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| 08:05.55 | tarzeau | x3n0: but it's not debian is it? what says /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 08:05.56 | x3n0 | tarzeau: how can i do this and can it be done on a live sys? |
| 08:06.02 | scx | !kiss daddy |
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| 08:06.25 | tarzeau | x3n0: yes sure, using mkswap and swapon |
| 08:06.50 | tarzeau | x3n0: heck there's even something automatic like dphys-swapfile in debian |
| 08:06.57 | enouf | tarzeau: x3n0 : if you care for a story/saga .. there's some decent info here http://tinyurl.com/24pppn |
| 08:07.07 | hark | just use dd to create a swapfile |
| 08:07.13 | tarzeau | xixor: the option you added is what? removed? |
| 08:07.32 | x3n0 | thnx |
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| 08:07.42 | enouf | tarzeau: basically I made a file that lives in /var/tmp in the past |
| 08:07.48 | xixor | tarzeau: yeah |
| 08:07.56 | vickersn | xixor: I think you put it on the kernel line in menu.lst |
| 08:07.58 | xixor | tarzeau: i think its because I am not editing the kopt variable |
| 08:08.05 | xixor | vickersn: yes |
| 08:08.07 | tarzeau | enouf: yeah, but his question was to choose where the file lies on the filesystem, which isn't possible |
| 08:08.14 | tarzeau | xixor: i think so too |
| 08:08.19 | xixor | I guess I should be doing kopt=root /dev/hda1 ro acpi=off |
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| 08:09.13 | x3n0 | BTW sources.list says ... |
| 08:09.17 | x3n0 | # /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian |
| 08:09.20 | vickersn | xixor: have you tried this? |
| 08:09.22 | enouf | tarzeau: actually if you use the seek= and skip= with dd and perhaps offset correctly .. one can do that |
| 08:09.29 | xixor | vickersn: I am just trying it now |
| 08:09.36 | x3n0 | I did say it was a bodge |
| 08:09.38 | enouf | tarzeau: but I wouldn't bother :-) |
| 08:09.44 | tarzeau | x3n0: what says the rest of the file? |
| 08:09.55 | tarzeau | enouf: really , NO YOU can NOT |
| 08:10.01 | hark | x3n0: that proves it |
| 08:10.01 | xixor | is there a difference between noacpi and acpi=off? |
| 08:10.15 | enouf | vickersn: sorry .. I'm guesing you're missing "something" important that populates the dir .. |
| 08:10.25 | tarzeau | enouf: it's not even sure you'll get continous blocks (or inodes) |
| 08:10.35 | enouf | tarzeau: sure you will |
| 08:10.40 | vickersn | enouf: :-) |
| 08:10.50 | tarzeau | enouf: ok, you've got no idea of filesystems, but i don't care |
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| 08:11.09 | enouf | tarzeau: go fuck yourself |
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| 08:12.15 | tarzeau | !dpkg tell enouf about language |
| 08:12.23 | enouf | !blow me |
| 08:13.11 | x3n0 | usual security updates for stable, all the main deb repos + the repos that knoppix adds (been main non-free in the debs sense) |
| 08:13.43 | x3n0 | its a mess to say the least! |
| 08:13.55 | tarzeau | x3n0: yes, and it's not debian |
| 08:15.16 | x3n0 | I do realise that, but its not knoppix or any other distro. |
| 08:15.33 | vickersn | x3n0: what does uname -r return? |
| 08:15.56 | x3n0 | 2.6.19 |
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| 08:16.12 | vickersn | whoops sorry I mean uname -a |
| 08:16.29 | x3n0 | lol |
| 08:16.32 | x3n0 | 1sec |
| 08:17.33 | x3n0 | x3n0@pandora:~$ uname -a |
| 08:17.33 | x3n0 | Linux pandora 2.6.19 #7 SMP PREEMPT Sun Dec 17 22:01:07 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:18.07 | x3n0 | See what i mean! i've made a monster |
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| 08:19.12 | vickersn | bloody hell you haven't even got the right date |
| 08:19.43 | vickersn | <--- idiot lol |
| 08:19.56 | vickersn | ahem. |
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| 08:20.20 | x3n0 | i know is the date for when the knoppix iso was burnt to disc |
| 08:20.42 | x3n0 | easy now |
| 08:21.14 | vickersn | x3n0: no idiot = me |
| 08:21.19 | vickersn | don't worry |
| 08:21.32 | x3n0 | I only have this setup out of despiration. |
| 08:22.03 | x3n0 | Debian doesn't have ndiswrapper on the discs does it. |
| 08:22.06 | vickersn | I'm desperate for pwmconfig to work as my pc is noisy with fans running full speed |
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| 08:24.10 | baggend | Anyone know a way to have emacs dired open a file (after hitting RET) in a separate frame? Something like C-x 4 RET (which doesn't work)? |
| 08:24.24 | x3n0 | knoppix does however! but the knoppix users lead me to think that it was far, far closer to a "REAL" debian install than it actually is! |
| 08:24.34 | vickersn | baggend: use vi :P |
| 08:25.02 | baggend | vickersn: I do. :) But in this particular instance, I need to use emacs. :) |
| 08:25.29 | vickersn | baggend: hmm... are you sure you are using vi properly then? :P |
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| 08:26.20 | baggend | vickersn: Actually, I take that back. I don't use vi. I use vim. :) |
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| 08:27.43 | x3n0 | ah ha |
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| 08:28.02 | baggend | vickersn: Actually, come to think of it, in this case I could use vim. Ok, so how do I get a directory listing in half of my screen, and then select a file to have it open in the other half of the screen in vim? :) |
| 08:28.25 | x3n0 | /etc/debian_version "4.0" |
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| 08:33.25 | linux_jones | im new to programing, does anyone know a good text editor for c++? |
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| 08:33.59 | x3n0 | nano... |
| 08:34.19 | x3n0 | nedit |
| 08:34.41 | linux_jones | is there one that will show me stupid mistakes im making as im making them? |
| 08:35.02 | x3n0 | GL |
| 08:35.05 | karsten | linux_jones: Visual Basic. |
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| 08:35.17 | karsten | linux_jones: ... because everything you do in VB is a stupid mistake. |
| 08:35.45 | karsten | linux_jones: Most decent text editors have syntax highlighting. vim and emacs are the two mainstayes. |
| 08:35.51 | x3n0 | C++ = compiled |
| 08:36.00 | x3n0 | not interperated |
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| 08:36.26 | karsten | linux_jones: Even nedit will do syntax highlighting, it's pretty similar to notepad in basic functionality. There's a few IDEs, most notably under KDE. |
| 08:36.49 | karsten | IDE == integrated development environment |
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| 08:38.20 | karsten | linux_jones: kdevelop: http://www.kdevelop.org/ |
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| 08:39.15 | x3n0 | linux_jones: have you used C#? If you have, it might be worth looking into mono... |
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| 08:39.52 | baggend | linux_jones: Emacs is always a good choice. If you're looking for something more like an IDE you can try Eclipse. |
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| 08:42.03 | linux_jones | wow, apt-get sure does need a whole lot of other stuff for eclipse |
| 08:42.27 | karsten | linux_jones: That happens sometimes. |
| 08:42.33 | karsten | linux_jones: Feature. |
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| 08:43.06 | karsten | linux_jones: Eclipse is mostly aimed at Java, which I somewhat recalled, though I believe it's got other language support as well. |
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| 08:43.41 | cydork | karsten: it's got everything now, c/c++, perl, php. |
| 08:43.59 | baggend | cydork: And my personal favorite, Ruby |
| 08:44.04 | karsten | OK. |
| 08:44.13 | cydork | karsten: with plugins of course.. |
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| 08:44.29 | baggend | If not for the HUGE memory footprint Eclipse with the Emacs keybindings would be the PERFECT editor. |
| 08:44.48 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 08:44.54 | karsten | ... or a factory factory factory factory.... |
| 08:45.00 | cydork | :) |
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| 08:45.17 | baggend | karsten: Well, they already kind of have a "plugin plugin". There's a mode for writing Eclipse plugins. :) |
| 08:45.29 | karsten | ObRant: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.12 |
| 08:45.35 | karsten | "Let's pretend I've decided to build a spice rack." |
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| 08:46.23 | karsten | Punchline: "So this week, we're introducing a general-purpose tool-building factory factory factory, so that all of your different tool factory factories can be produced by a single, unified factory. The factory factory factory will produce only the tool factory factories that you actually need, and each of those factory factories will produce a single factory based on your custom tool specifications. The final set of tools that emerge from this pr |
| 08:46.42 | karsten | Essay's called "why I hate frameworks", and is utterly OT, so I'll shut up now. |
| 08:47.11 | nangruto | my vim losing his color after upgrading to etch |
| 08:47.45 | nangruto | any clue how to find the colors back :( |
| 08:47.48 | karsten | nangruto: Um. ":syn on" does what? |
| 08:47.57 | baggend | nangruto: Take a look at /etc/vim/vimrc and make sure "syntax on" is still there. |
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| 08:48.09 | karsten | nangruto: ... and are you sure it's vim and not something nefarious like nvi? |
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| 08:48.23 | qiyong | how to set the default gnome input method? |
| 08:48.28 | karsten | nangruto: ... check your /etc/alternatives/vi if invoking 'vi' and not 'vim'. |
| 08:48.34 | setog3 | karsten: I think it's the vim tiny package .. |
| 08:48.39 | nangruto | karsten, i am still using the same vimrc for my sarge |
| 08:49.09 | nangruto | invoking gvim not help at all :( |
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| 08:49.33 | Blackhold | hello |
| 08:49.50 | Blackhold | anyone knows some tool to draw a network configuration? |
| 08:50.07 | Blackhold | my hand is not a crack making this :( |
| 08:50.10 | karsten | Blackhold: dia |
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| 08:50.19 | Blackhold | dia? |
| 08:50.21 | Blackhold | is called? |
| 08:50.21 | karsten | Blackhold: Similar to Visio |
| 08:50.25 | karsten | Yep. |
| 08:50.30 | karsten | !dia |
| 08:50.30 | dpkg | dia is, like, a diagram tool located at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/, or (as DIA) Defense Intelligence Agency. |
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| 08:51.47 | nangruto | karsten, it seem 'syn on' not work at all with my vim |
| 08:51.49 | karsten | http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/ |
| 08:51.59 | karsten | nangruto: Sounds like a bad vim. |
| 08:52.01 | Blackhold | ok thnks ;) |
| 08:52.35 | karsten | Blackhold: And: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2001/02/15/LinuxAdmin.html (review of several tools) |
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| 08:54.31 | nangruto | what 'rc, ii, pn, un' in dpkg -l means |
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| 08:54.55 | torrr | hi |
| 08:55.21 | tuv | nangruto, first letter: current status, second letter: requested status |
| 08:55.40 | enouf | karsten: that's some funny shit thar' (framework crap) ... danke for the laugh |
| 08:55.48 | torrr | I am trying to install debian, I have downloaded the netinst disk, but it doesn't recognize my Hard disk, nor my onbord LAN |
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| 08:56.02 | tuv | nangruto, r: reinstall, c: config. files only installed, p: purged, ... |
| 08:56.03 | karsten | enouf: NP. It's a *wonderful* essay. |
| 08:56.15 | tuv | nangruto, read the first few lines of dpkg output |
| 08:56.35 | qiyong | how to set the default gnome input method? |
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| 08:58.59 | torrr | can anyone help me ? |
| 08:59.16 | nangruto | tuv, thanks :D |
| 08:59.16 | torrr | my mobo is asus p5LD2 |
| 08:59.40 | tarzeau | torrr: which version of the netinst disk? |
| 09:00.23 | torrr | debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso 105.5MB |
| 09:00.32 | tarzeau | torrr: you could try the etch net installer |
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| 09:01.44 | tarzeau | who was that japanese guy who made updated d-i cd with newer kernel? |
| 09:01.45 | torrr | is etch stable? |
| 09:02.03 | tarzeau | torrr: not by debian stable definition. but a lot of people use it according to popcon |
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| 09:02.40 | suppaman | hi |
| 09:02.45 | tarzeau | rc2 of d-i etch needs be installed, and then later all rc bugs closed |
| 09:03.15 | sepski | tarzeau, http://kmuto.jp/ |
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| 09:03.40 | tarzeau | sepski: thanks, updating the irc wiki faq |
| 09:04.06 | laden | goodmorning |
| 09:04.37 | suppaman | Hi I moved from 2.4.32 to 2.6.18 and now I get no sound |
| 09:04.44 | suppaman | I used OSS module |
| 09:04.46 | tarzeau | suppaman: what sound card? |
| 09:04.53 | suppaman | an YMF740 |
| 09:04.57 | suppaman | YMFPCI sound module |
| 09:05.11 | suppaman | I see snd_ymfpci module loaded |
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| 09:05.33 | suppaman | and if I remove and reload module I hear speakers make noise |
| 09:05.37 | laden | Can I use gcc-3.4 on my debian etch? |
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| 09:05.51 | cahoot | suppaman: alsa-utils installed? |
| 09:05.53 | suppaman | I see I've no more /dev/dsp , shold I ? |
| 09:05.58 | suppaman | cahoot: no, I never used them |
| 09:06.00 | suppaman | should I? |
| 09:06.04 | cahoot | yes |
| 09:06.19 | suppaman | I'm apt-getting just now |
| 09:07.17 | cahoot | suppaman: on etch the trick is to run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base - don't if it works for sarge |
| 09:07.21 | cahoot | know |
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| 09:09.09 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:09.28 | suppaman | mm I can never remember the names |
| 09:09.30 | suppaman | I'm on testing |
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| 09:09.48 | cahoot | suppaman: ok run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 09:10.32 | suppaman | wait |
| 09:10.37 | suppaman | I'm on a p2 :-) |
| 09:10.48 | suppaman | it's still setting up linux-sound-base |
| 09:11.06 | cahoot | suppaman: then yes | aplay should produce noise (or error msg) |
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| 09:11.24 | tarzeau | suppaman: which kernel do you have? |
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| 09:11.45 | tarzeau | laden: yeah why not |
| 09:11.51 | tarzeau | laden: i've got 3.4.4 in sarge |
| 09:12.25 | suppaman | 2.6.18 |
| 09:12.30 | laden | tarzeau e how I can do it? |
| 09:12.43 | tarzeau | laden: apt-get install gcc-3.4 ? |
| 09:12.52 | tarzeau | laden: then see what /usr/bin/gcc points to |
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| 09:14.24 | ManuP | is there a mozilla-channel? |
| 09:14.34 | laden | ok. thank you very much tarzeau |
| 09:15.16 | xand | ManuP: irc.mozilla.org |
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| 09:15.43 | ManuP | xand, and the channel? #thunderbird?? |
| 09:16.02 | xand | whatever channel's appropriate |
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| 09:17.56 | suppaman | cahoot: I'm reconfiguring linux-sound-base |
| 09:17.59 | ManuP | xand, okay. thanks. |
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| 09:23.34 | suppaman | cahoot: alsa, right ? |
| 09:23.37 | suppaman | why not OSS ? |
| 09:23.43 | cahoot | deprecated |
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| 09:24.19 | suppaman | i'm afk thanks |
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| 09:25.59 | ManuP | how to delete recursively all files with *.foo in a dir with subdirs? |
| 09:26.14 | suppaman | with find I think |
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| 09:28.47 | nangruto | ManuP, find ./ -name '*.foo' -exec rm {} \; |
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| 09:29.47 | eshaase | how do i get the gnome dialog boxes (open file) for openoffice.org in a gnome environment? |
| 09:29.48 | ManuP | thx |
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| 09:41.35 | DAddYE | one question, ive a vps, with some services like httpd, mysql, rails installed, how I can monitor if my hardware resource are good for my services? |
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| 09:55.24 | Zaggynl | !java |
| 09:55.25 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
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| 09:56.18 | Zaggynl | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'java install'. |
| 09:56.19 | Zaggynl | $!#%$09 |
| 09:59.51 | ToTO | DAddYE: cacti |
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| 10:00.14 | snail | !install java |
| 10:00.14 | dpkg | somebody said install java was First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 10:04.21 | elshaa | Is it possible to reduce lvm partition "on the fly", without rebooting ? |
| 10:04.43 | sepski | elshaa, if you can unmount the lvm partition without rebooting yes |
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| 10:13.09 | elshaa | sepski: and is it possible to expand an lvm partition the same way ? |
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| 10:14.19 | snail | elshaa: it should be |
| 10:14.38 | elshaa | ok. thanks snail & sepski |
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| 10:14.43 | snail | elshaa: but none of this works if the lvm partition is the boot partition |
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| 10:15.24 | elshaa | snail: ok |
| 10:15.39 | sepski | elshaa, if you created the filesystem in etch using the online_resize option you can grow the lvm without unmounting, but you must unmount for reducing. |
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| 10:23.58 | pluesch0r | morning! anyone using apcupsd with snmp backend in here? i'm having a hard time getting it to work - however, a snmpwalk on the APC ip simply works. |
| 10:24.16 | liable | Guerin: i seem to be having similar pam/login problems as you described the other day |
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| 10:32.12 | bintut | hello all.. what's a good audio and mp3 player for gnome that you can recommend? |
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| 10:33.33 | konred | after a recent upgrade, i cannot use my modem. i get: "error: mdm setup: cannot open dev `/dev/slusb0': No such devic". iirc, i had this problem before, it was traced to a kernel module. no record of it though. can anyone help? |
| 10:34.04 | konred | when i check 'ls /dev/sl*', the device is there. |
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| 10:36.10 | Redhatter | konred, Have you loaded the appropriate kernel drivers for your modem? |
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| 10:36.48 | konred | Redhatter: i did a 'modprobe slusb'. is that what you mean? |
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| 10:37.19 | Redhatter | konred, I guess so... mine is a PCI device, thus configuration is a little different. |
| 10:37.53 | Redhatter | Did it spit out any messages in `dmesg`? |
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| 10:38.19 | konred | have not takem a look there yet. |
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| 10:39.56 | konred | lsmod showed i have that snd-intel... module. |
| 10:40.36 | Redhatter | Yeah, I think that applies for onboard PCI-connected modems. |
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| 10:41.49 | konred | and nothing about slusb0 or modem in dmesg |
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| 10:46.51 | konred | i have been surfing for an answer, no help there either. got to go. bye. |
| 10:47.03 | torrr | say if I have ubentoo installed, can I install debian too on the same partition? |
| 10:47.23 | liable | no |
| 10:47.34 | liable | not the same partition, same drive sure |
| 10:47.51 | torrr | Will the install erase my home dir? |
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| 10:48.10 | liable | no, you can use your ubuntu /home dir |
| 10:48.34 | torrr | is this true also if I use the netinst CD? |
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| 10:48.51 | liable | yes, doesnt matter which you use |
| 10:49.01 | torrr | ok |
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| 10:49.25 | torrr | is the etch release more reliable than ubuntoo? |
| 10:49.46 | liable | dont use ubuntu, dont know |
| 10:50.00 | liable | s/dont/i dont/ |
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| 10:50.45 | Ronin | torrr: yes debian is more reliable |
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| 10:52.22 | torrr | ok |
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| 10:53.14 | queuetue | I don't have much experience with routing - if I have two nics in a box, how do I dictate which one is used for "primary" traffic? |
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| 10:54.20 | Fox | queuetue: default route |
| 10:54.24 | plasmid | When I installed Debian i selected a service to be started: Apache for my home webserver. It runs on port 80 (and my isp does not block it). I looked at /etc/apache/httpd.conf file to make sure it has the necessary info to start the server. Then I typed: apachectl start.... I don't see the startup page. :-/ |
| 10:55.51 | plasmid | my domain: www.example.org is registered...and I made sure that the dynamic IP address to which is tied to is updated every 5 minutes with freedns.org. I also configured the router to allow this service to run on the slack box (192.168.0.4) on port 80. Am I missing something else? |
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| 10:59.16 | baggend | plasmid: try /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 10:59.27 | baggend | (if you installed apache 2 it'll be /etc/init.d/apache2 start) |
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| 11:00.10 | Outlander | hi, how well does the linux kernel support ntfs these days? full write access? any bugs/limitations? |
| 11:00.22 | Fox | plasmid: did you use tcpdump or anything to see if apache gets the requests ? |
| 11:00.44 | Fox | plasmid: and please define "I don't see the startup page" |
| 11:01.12 | plasmid | baggend, no dice. :/ The startup page of APache: " IT WORKS! you now have blah..blah |
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| 11:02.12 | hark | Outlander: very limited support, iirc (only overwriting files etc.) |
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| 11:02.20 | antlarr | hi |
| 11:02.22 | plasmid | I am not entirely sure what am I missing. But it's odd...I should see the Apache Startup page. |
| 11:02.29 | Fox | plasmid: difen "I don't get" then |
| 11:02.30 | plasmid | hello antlarr |
| 11:02.31 | antlarr | I have a problem authenticating over NIS |
| 11:02.35 | Fox | 404 ? nothing ? timeout ? |
| 11:02.37 | baggend | Outlander: There's a project called NTFS-3G which supposedly lets you do full RW, but I've never tried. |
| 11:02.48 | hark | Outlander: but if you're running etch or greater, there's ntfs-3g |
| 11:02.56 | antlarr | it doesn't allow me to log into my NIS client |
| 11:03.08 | Fox | s/difen/define/ |
| 11:03.14 | antlarr | but "getent passwd myusername" works ok |
| 11:03.15 | Ronin | plasmid: it running on 68-34-164-84 by any chance? |
| 11:03.25 | antlarr | and it binds correctly to the NIS server |
| 11:03.28 | antlarr | any idea on what to look? |
| 11:03.36 | plasmid | Fox, timeout (basically i see the address on the webbrowser and I get nothing.. no timeout (actually..it says "done" in Firefox) |
| 11:03.48 | elbing | where could I add a login session to kdm? in /etc/X11/sessions/foo.desktop doesn't work |
| 11:03.48 | Ronin | plasmid: you trying that locally by any chance? |
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| 11:03.56 | Outlander | basically im doing something mildly convoluted...ive got a new external drive (250gig) which i will then be storing large truecrypt containers on. I want these containers to be writeable from windos and linux. I need to use NTFS because the file sizes will be large. |
| 11:04.19 | baggend | Outlander: Just use ext3 and use the Windows ext2 FS driver. |
| 11:04.24 | Fox | plasmid: do you have a router ? does it forward port 80 to the box behind ? |
| 11:04.39 | Ronin | plasmid: are you trying to connect to the domain name internally? |
| 11:04.39 | baggend | Outlander: I have a 200 GB external drive shared between windows and Linux like that with no problems. |
| 11:05.01 | plasmid | Fox, I do have a router and I configured it in "applications" tab to allow port 80 (Http service) to run on IP: 192.168.0.4 (slack box) |
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| 11:05.39 | Ronin | bah feck it |
| 11:05.44 | plasmid | Ronin, internally? I am not sure what you mean. I typed my domain: www.example.org and nothing comes up. |
| 11:05.52 | Fox | plasmid: if you IP is the one Ronin told I can say it works |
| 11:06.03 | Outlander | where do i find the ext2 fs driver? |
| 11:06.07 | Fox | ask for the IP in your browser |
| 11:06.10 | torrr | how is debian compared to gentoo? |
| 11:06.21 | cahoot | a bless |
| 11:06.21 | Fox | torrr: what is gentoo ? |
| 11:06.39 | baggend | Outlander: http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 11:06.46 | torrr | it is a linux distribution |
| 11:06.55 | Fox | torrr: no kiding ? |
| 11:06.55 | Outlander | ok cool |
| 11:06.58 | baggend | It's only free-as-in-beer, but if you're using Windows already that's the least of your concerns. :) |
| 11:07.05 | cydork | torrr: /msg dpkg greenhouse ;) |
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| 11:07.15 | Outlander | problem is, i'll need to install this driver on any windows machine i need to mount the drive with? |
| 11:07.46 | plasmid | Fox, oh wait.. I typed: 192.168.0.4 on my browser (my other workstation) and voila! the startup page comes up... HOw come i can't see the startup page when i typed: www.example.org... Are the DNS not being resolved? I put the gateway as 192.168.0.1 (router) and DNS from my cable provider. |
| 11:07.49 | hark | torrr: /msg dpkg gentoosmite me |
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| 11:07.56 | cydork | heh |
| 11:08.00 | baggend | Outlander: Yup. |
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| 11:08.28 | baggend | plasmid: Umm, did you actually buy the example.org domain? |
| 11:08.49 | Outlander | well i'll probably be using mostly windows machines to access this device for now...and i have 2 x 250gig drives and i'll be syncing them so if i need to wipe and start again, i'll do it to one drive first then sync the data from the other |
| 11:08.52 | plasmid | baggend, actually it's just an example... the actual domain is efendisystems.com and I bought it a year ago. |
| 11:08.53 | Outlander | thanks for the info :) |
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| 11:08.56 | hark | Outlander: you can use ntfs-3g for full rw support, but that will also need to be installed on all linux machines... |
| 11:09.03 | kie27 | greetings all, am running etch, was wondering what package do i need to install for the 'dig' command please? |
| 11:09.03 | Fox | plasmid: if you give us the domain name that would help |
| 11:09.14 | plasmid | Fox, efendisystems.com |
| 11:09.21 | Outlander | the linux machines will be my machines, and the windows machines will be more random/other peoples machines |
| 11:09.22 | cahoot | kie27: bind-utils or such |
| 11:09.24 | hark | !tell kie27 -about search |
| 11:09.34 | Outlander | so i think using ntfs-3g on my personal linux machine(s) is the best bet |
| 11:09.38 | baggend | plasmid: 68.34.164.84 |
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| 11:09.47 | Fox | plasmid: it works then |
| 11:09.55 | plasmid | fox, the startup page comes up when I type: 192.168.0.4 |
| 11:09.58 | Outlander | so ntfs it is....now how do i max the amount of storage i get when i format? 512k clusters? |
| 11:09.59 | baggend | plasmid: It looks like you don't have a www A record though. |
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| 11:10.11 | plasmid | but not when I type: efendisystems.com (yes.. i don't like the www...) |
| 11:10.29 | Fox | plasmid: apache isn't listening on the external IP, only the private one |
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| 11:10.41 | Fox | tell him to listen on * not 192.168.0.4 |
| 11:10.51 | hark | kie27: dnsutils |
| 11:11.11 | plasmid | Fox, i don't follow. |
| 11:11.12 | baggend | Fox: I don't think that's it. I can connect to it from here just fine. |
| 11:11.26 | plasmid | baggend, you mean ...you can see the startup Apache page? |
| 11:11.31 | baggend | Yup |
| 11:11.33 | Fox | baggend: you're right :) |
| 11:11.57 | kie27 | yes, its dnsutils, thanks very much |
| 11:12.09 | plasmid | baggend, odd... when I type it here: efendisystems.com ... i dont' see the page. UNLESS i type: 192.168.0.4 (slack box with webserver) |
| 11:12.14 | plasmid | baggend, is this normal? |
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| 11:12.35 | baggend | plasmid: Can you paste the output of 'cat /etc/resolv.conf'? |
| 11:12.46 | plasmid | baggend, no problemo |
| 11:13.07 | plasmid | search efendisystems.com |
| 11:13.07 | plasmid | nameserver 68.87.75.194 |
| 11:13.07 | plasmid | nameserver 68.87.64.146 |
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| 11:13.25 | plasmid | those nameservers are copied directly from my cable provider. |
| 11:14.20 | baggend | plasmid: Well, with the exception of the fact that your secondary nameserver hasn't updated the IP for your domain yet, they seem to be fine. |
| 11:14.27 | hark | plasmid: i can see the test page.. |
| 11:14.39 | baggend | plasmid: Try doing a "ping efendisystems.com" |
| 11:15.01 | plasmid | hark, what could be the reason why I cannot see the test page on my workstation (IP= 192.168.0.2)? |
| 11:15.49 | plasmid | baggend: i get "request timed out" on my workstation. |
| 11:16.05 | baggend | plasmid: Does it show you which IP it's resolving to? |
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| 11:16.48 | plasmid | baggend, yes... but that IP is incorrect. According to ipchikcken.com the IP is different. |
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| 11:17.17 | baggend | plasmid: Which IP is ping showing you? |
| 11:17.50 | plasmid | 68.8039.49 |
| 11:17.53 | plasmid | ack... |
| 11:18.00 | plasmid | 68.80.39.49 |
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| 11:18.13 | baggend | plasmid: Ok. Edit your /etc/resolv.conf and remove the 2nd nameserver line. (The one ending in 146) |
| 11:18.27 | plasmid | kk |
| 11:19.26 | plasmid | done... put a # right next to it. |
| 11:19.43 | baggend | plasmid: Ok, now try that ping again |
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| 11:20.43 | plasmid | baggend, same IP as b4 with "request timed out". |
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| 11:21.07 | plasmid | baggend, hmm.. this IP is from olde router that went kapputt. |
| 11:21.26 | baggend | plasmid: Hmm... check your /etc/hosts, make sure you don't have an entry in there for that address. |
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| 11:24.26 | plasmid | baggend, /etc/hosts is ok on slack box. My workstation is winxp and that's where I work with Dreamweaver for website building. |
| 11:24.45 | baggend | Wait, so the .4 address is a Windows box?! |
| 11:25.00 | baggend | Wait, I mean the .2 |
| 11:25.08 | baggend | The one you're trying to get to the website from? |
| 11:25.09 | antlarr | any nis or pam expert around? |
| 11:25.29 | antlarr | is there any way to make pam more verbose in the logging? |
| 11:25.45 | simonrvn | 'debug' |
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| 11:26.24 | plasmid | baggend, yes. The 192.168.0.2 is a windows box trying to get the startup page from the 192.168.0.4 box. |
| 11:27.34 | baggend | plasmid: Ok. Now that makes a bit more sense. :) Ok, check what name servers you have set up on the XP box. (ipconfig /all from a cmd shell) |
| 11:28.45 | plasmid | baggend, checking... |
| 11:29.31 | plasmid | DNS servers are first: 68.87.64.146 and then 68.87.75.194 |
| 11:29.49 | plasmid | someone mentioned that the one ending in .146 is not "working"? |
| 11:29.59 | baggend | Yeah, me. :) |
| 11:30.06 | plasmid | shall i eliminate it ? |
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| 11:30.14 | baggend | plasmid: Yup. |
| 11:30.22 | plasmid | kk.. |
| 11:30.35 | plasmid | just curious ..how did u know? |
| 11:30.48 | baggend | I used dig to query that particular ns myself |
| 11:31.21 | plasmid | oh |
| 11:32.27 | plasmid | eliminated |
| 11:32.43 | plasmid | pinging ... |
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| 11:33.48 | suppaman | cahoot: still nothing |
| 11:33.52 | plasmid | eliminated |
| 11:34.05 | suppaman | maybe it's just that volume is 0 |
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| 11:34.22 | suppaman | in fact |
| 11:34.26 | suppaman | I had master volume to 0 |
| 11:34.29 | baggend | plasmid: So is that a good eliminated or a bad eliminated? |
| 11:34.35 | amphi | !pal suppaman |
| 11:34.44 | plasmid | baggend, well.. i can ping efendisystems.com |
| 11:34.59 | baggend | plasmid: Oh, good. Now try going to it in a browser. |
| 11:35.12 | suppaman | anyway it's still not working |
| 11:35.23 | plasmid | baggend, but when i type it on my browser: nothin comes up? (scratches head) ... maybe i need to close the browser or erase the cache.. |
| 11:35.34 | baggend | plasmid: I was just about to suggest that |
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| 11:36.09 | plasmid | baggend, wow.. that worked. Phew. |
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| 11:36.26 | baggend | Good :) |
| 11:36.27 | plasmid | baggend, so it was the stingy DNS server. |
| 11:36.41 | plasmid | baggend, thanks a million. Now i can get back to work. |
| 11:36.49 | baggend | plasmid: Yup. It hasn't updated its entries just yet. If you had tried it tomorrow it probably would have worked. |
| 11:37.06 | baggend | Not a problem, good luck. |
| 11:37.12 | plasmid | thankx :-) |
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| 11:37.57 | suppaman | nothing |
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| 11:41.09 | jelly | !info php4 unstable |
| 11:41.15 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 6:4.4.4-8 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 11:41.27 | jelly | hmph |
| 11:41.38 | simonrvn | !info php5 |
| 11:41.43 | jelly | !info libapache-mod-php4 unstable |
| 11:41.47 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)), section net, is optional. Version: 6:4.4.4-8 (sid), Packaged size: 1557 kB, Installed size: 3132 kB |
| 11:41.50 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 11:41.56 | jelly | ah, same source. |
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| 11:42.15 | simonrvn | yeh, a lot of the php stuff is from the same tar ball |
| 11:42.53 | jelly | ... probably still too early for that since upstream only put it up an hour or so ago ;-) |
| 11:42.56 | simonrvn | new x server installed, gonna restart my x session |
| 11:42.59 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 11:43.08 | simonrvn | yeh ;) |
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| 11:44.39 | suppaman | I'm not getting any audio still.. if somethings'd be wrong shouldn't I get some error message ? |
| 11:45.24 | antlarr | simonrvn: thanks |
| 11:46.17 | antlarr | simonrvn: do I have to restart anything after changing /etc/pam.d/common-auth to auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure debug ? |
| 11:46.21 | suppaman | mm |
| 11:46.22 | suppaman | can't register device seq |
| 11:46.22 | suppaman | kobject_add failed for audio with -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same directory. |
| 11:46.27 | suppaman | this is from except |
| 11:46.36 | suppaman | this is from dmesg |
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| 11:49.33 | cahoot | suppaman: yes | aplay produces noise (or error)? |
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| 11:50.14 | suppaman | cahoot: I'm reconfiguring |
| 11:50.19 | suppaman | I'll try in minutes |
| 11:50.41 | x_link | Hi |
| 11:50.49 | ntbnnt | hi |
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| 11:51.21 | x_link | I changed my Resoltuion is nvidia-settings to 85Hz, but then the Refresh Rate in Control Center shows 134Hz |
| 11:51.24 | queuetue | Is anyone running asterisk w/zaptel? After an "m-a a-i zaptel", the zaptel and wcfxo modules are installed, but the wcfxs one is not... |
| 11:51.25 | x_link | Which one should I truste? |
| 11:51.27 | x_link | trust |
| 11:51.46 | cahoot | x_link: wasn't this debated to death a few days ago? |
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| 11:51.48 | geo-rge | trust in rust... |
| 11:51.52 | geo-rge | just in rust... |
| 11:52.33 | x_link | cahoot: Ohh yes... sorry cahoot. |
| 11:52.36 | x_link | But I forgot =/ |
| 11:52.51 | cahoot | x_link: related to beryl or such? |
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| 11:53.04 | x_link | Nope |
| 11:53.11 | x_link | This has nothing to do with Beryl. |
| 11:53.16 | hark | x_link: didn't you get this resolved.. |
| 11:53.39 | ntbnnt | geo-rge: haha |
| 11:53.47 | x_link | hark: I re-installed my Debian etch... |
| 11:53.51 | hark | twinview option or something.. |
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| 11:54.08 | x_link | hark: No need of that line in y xorg.conf cause I don't use twinview |
| 11:54.32 | x_link | Option Twinview "false"... no need to put anything that's "false" in the xorg.conf if I don't use it. |
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| 11:54.45 | xdslinux | hey |
| 11:54.46 | geo-rge | (to the tune of "trust in me" as sung by Kaa, the boa constrictor on disney's version of the jungle book) |
| 11:54.50 | tarzeau | does epson perfection 1670 usb also crash other peoples' linux kernel? |
| 11:55.15 | ntbnnt | geo-rge: word, xD |
| 11:56.10 | suppaman | cahoot: I've removed all modules atm |
| 11:56.14 | suppaman | and I'm out for lunch |
| 11:56.17 | suppaman | thanks anyway |
| 11:56.20 | torrr | how is debian compared to gentoo? |
| 11:56.21 | ntbnnt | so, im carrying around this dead emac in my car, what do i do? recycle it or videotape a destruction? |
| 11:56.35 | ntbnnt | god vs. dirt |
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| 11:56.52 | geo-rge | it't fine... how's mary kate compared to ashley? |
| 11:56.53 | ntbnnt | debian pwns gentoo |
| 11:57.03 | cahoot | emac? imac? emacs? |
| 11:57.13 | ntbnnt | just an emac |
| 11:57.33 | ntbnnt | the monitor built in with the mobo |
| 11:58.07 | hark | x_link: whatever.. ask h3sp4wn |
| 11:58.13 | x_link | hark: Okey |
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| 11:58.29 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Hi there, are you there? |
| 11:58.40 | x_link | hark: Thank alot! |
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| 11:59.23 | hark | np, nvidia sucks i guess ;) |
| 11:59.37 | ntbnnt | ati ftw |
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| 11:59.57 | geo-rge | with gentoo, you -do- build -everything- to install, and then build whatever stuff you want but don't have |
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| 12:00.21 | x_link | hark: I heard nvidia is better than ATI for Linux? |
| 12:00.25 | x_link | hark: And what do you use? |
| 12:00.25 | geo-rge | (and you can set build flags, this may or may not make your life better in some way) |
| 12:00.27 | hark | there are binaries available too, iirc |
| 12:00.58 | ntbnnt | never had trouble with anything ati in linux |
| 12:01.00 | geo-rge | whereas debian, you -can- build anything, but what's mainly exposed are binaries |
| 12:01.27 | torrr | ntbnnt: I tried gentoo, and ubunto for about a week each, and with gentoo I had to read wiki's to do simple things, but everyone on IRC knew how to help me. On ubuntoo I had a very easy time to install but then I my network interface forgot its setting all the time, and no one in the ubuntoo channels could help, and I finally spent more time on trying to solve a simple problem in ubuntoo than I have spent configuring a |
| 12:01.41 | geo-rge | and there's a strong relation between packages, dependencies, suggested pkgs, etc |
| 12:01.42 | x_link | hark: Binaries? What is that? |
| 12:02.06 | hark | x_link: no, that was wrt to gentoo.. i use the radeon open source driver |
| 12:02.13 | geo-rge | x_link: ever tried to cat cat? |
| 12:02.39 | x_link | hark: Alright. |
| 12:02.44 | x_link | geo-rge: cat cat? hehe no |
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| 12:03.08 | x_link | geo-rge: I'm the worst newbie you could ever meet. I really don't know much |
| 12:03.13 | x_link | geo-rge: Is that a command or what? |
| 12:03.23 | geo-rge | yes, it displays files |
| 12:03.28 | geo-rge | so |
| 12:03.40 | geo-rge | cat cat might display itself |
| 12:03.47 | x_link | It didn't display anything |
| 12:03.53 | x_link | Maybe I need to install something first? |
| 12:03.57 | simonrvn | antlarr: nope |
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| 12:04.21 | geo-rge | well the file that is the cat command is in either /bin or /usr/bin |
| 12:04.39 | simonrvn | antlarr: just make sure you have a ruoot console of some sort when you fuck around with PAM |
| 12:04.50 | simonrvn | antlarr: s,ruoot,root, |
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| 12:05.11 | x_link | geo-rge: So I need to cd into that dir first? |
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| 12:05.36 | geo-rge | the thing is... if you do that, you get what looks like random garbagy crap |
| 12:05.42 | simonrvn | !wb |
| 12:05.43 | dpkg | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
| 12:06.10 | antlarr | simonrvn: when you said I should use "debug", did you mean in /etc/pam.d/common-auth ? |
| 12:06.19 | simonrvn | antlarr: wherever needed |
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| 12:06.43 | geo-rge | x_link: so cat is one command that is binary... but some commands can be scripts |
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| 12:07.19 | geo-rge | and you have a very wide range of languages you can write scripts in |
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| 12:07.38 | opensores | I've just installed a .deb package, but I cannot where it has put the binary files. How can I find this? |
| 12:07.40 | mark123 | how do you list installed cpan modules? |
| 12:07.57 | x_link | geo-rge: hehe ok. Then I don't know what to do. |
| 12:08.11 | geo-rge | I dunno what you want to do with linux... but one thing you can do is program |
| 12:08.16 | opensores | oh, nvm, found it in /opt |
| 12:08.45 | litage_ | if you have more than one driver installed in /etc/ndiswrapper/ , how do you choose which one gets used? |
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| 12:08.53 | geo-rge | x_link: I was just trying to explain that a file that contains binary data usually loooks like garbage when you look in there |
| 12:09.11 | x_link | geo-rge: I first want to learn this better. How it works, commands, finding things, handle different file types, know what the different commands does, when to use commands/programs etc. |
| 12:09.20 | x_link | geo-rge: Ohh ok =) |
| 12:09.34 | cahoot | x_link: got hold of the Debian Reference yet? |
| 12:09.55 | x_link | cahoot: Yes, downloaded it yesterday. |
| 12:10.16 | x_link | cahoot: I'm reading this Linux book right now, it's in swedish. Linux För Alla ( Linux For Everybody) |
| 12:10.18 | geo-rge | and then after that I was trying to explain that files that do things (commands) can be binary, or they can be scripts |
| 12:10.31 | x_link | geo-rge: But what is a binary? |
| 12:10.36 | x_link | How does a binary look? |
| 12:10.43 | geo-rge | weird. |
| 12:10.50 | geo-rge | garbagy. |
| 12:10.52 | geo-rge | random. |
| 12:10.54 | x_link | OKey. |
| 12:10.57 | antlarr | simonrvn: no, I can't make pam more verbose |
| 12:11.03 | x_link | But what is a binary? |
| 12:11.26 | geo-rge | a file that contains data that can't be read the way you're reading this message now |
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| 12:11.44 | x_link | geo-rge: ohh ok. |
| 12:11.46 | Moorenkopf | does anyone remember how to compress the dd output with tar? |
| 12:12.12 | geo-rge | there are binaries that are commands, and there are binaries that are not commands (they're not "runnable"_ |
| 12:12.15 | geo-rge | ) |
| 12:12.15 | x_link | geo-rge: Can you tell me a binary file that I have? So that I could just take a look at it? |
| 12:12.37 | geo-rge | type: which cat |
| 12:12.42 | x_link | ok |
| 12:12.54 | x_link | /bin/cat |
| 12:13.09 | geo-rge | you could try this: |
| 12:13.15 | geo-rge | cat /bin/cat |
| 12:13.24 | geo-rge | but it WILL be weird |
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| 12:13.50 | x_link | cat /bin/cat = shows how the /bin/cat looks/is written |
| 12:13.51 | x_link | Right? |
| 12:14.25 | geo-rge | yes |
| 12:15.01 | geo-rge | for a more -sane- example of cat... |
| 12:15.12 | x_link | hmm ok |
| 12:15.22 | torrr | I am trying to install debian over ubuntoo, it is in the partitioner stage, how do I do it so my home dir stay? |
| 12:15.25 | geo-rge | try this: |
| 12:15.29 | xand | catting binary files is silly |
| 12:15.35 | x_link | I'm googling right now about cat, I want to know what that command does. |
| 12:15.42 | geo-rge | echo "show this on the screen" |
| 12:15.46 | xand | it concatenates |
| 12:15.49 | xand | read the man page |
| 12:15.51 | amphi | x_link: man cat |
| 12:15.58 | xand | HONESTLY |
| 12:16.00 | x_link | amphi: Ohh right |
| 12:16.01 | geo-rge | cat man doo |
| 12:16.09 | x_link | xand: OKey. I will stop asking. Sorry |
| 12:16.23 | amphi | x_link: now you know the secret ;) |
| 12:16.55 | amphi | x_link: 'apropos foo' is useful for finding manpages relevant to 'foo' |
| 12:17.05 | cahoot | torrr: enable it is /home but also tell the installer to keep it as is - i e not create an fs on it |
| 12:17.21 | geo-rge | x_link: |
| 12:17.25 | geo-rge | echo "show this on the screen" |
| 12:17.27 | x_link | geo-rge: Ok |
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| 12:17.45 | x_link | "show this on my screen" |
| 12:18.02 | geo-rge | but without the quotes, right? |
| 12:18.06 | x_link | Yes |
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| 12:18.14 | geo-rge | try this: |
| 12:18.19 | x_link | geo-rge: But what is "echo" good for? |
| 12:18.30 | geo-rge | showing stuff :) |
| 12:18.35 | x_link | hehe ok |
| 12:18.38 | torrr | cahoot, I told the installer I want to manually set the partions, and it then want to write changes to disk, I did no changes, but it warn that when it writes to disk all data will be erased |
| 12:19.01 | x_link | I just found this swedish site that explains the most basic commands, really good. |
| 12:19.12 | geo-rge | but under the hood... it sends a stream (sequence) to somewhere |
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| 12:19.37 | monra | hello guys, I have DEbian Sarge 3.1, I have some louders(how do they call them), this things whoich you hear music from them(sorry I'm from Greece), but the doesn't Work, in Windows they work properly? Any command mauybe should work them? Any ideas would be helpful |
| 12:19.44 | x_link | geo-rge: Okey |
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| 12:20.11 | cahoot | torrr: truly scray info - but I've installed debian a few times and it's always left my /home untouched |
| 12:20.12 | torrr | should I redo it and not choose manual install |
| 12:20.18 | geo-rge | if you don't tell it where to send the stream, it just comes out where you run the command |
| 12:20.18 | x_link | geo-rge: uname -r shows kernel version, which command shows debian versioN? |
| 12:20.39 | geo-rge | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:20.40 | cydork | x_link: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:20.55 | geo-rge | (debian_version is therefore a file) |
| 12:21.09 | x_link | ok |
| 12:21.10 | geo-rge | try this: |
| 12:21.24 | geo-rge | ls -l /etc/debian_version |
| 12:21.26 | x_link | cat= reads what's inside a file? |
| 12:21.40 | geo-rge | yes... but that's the least it can do |
| 12:21.47 | torrr | cahoot did u partitioned manually or guided, or something else? |
| 12:21.47 | x_link | ok |
| 12:21.59 | x_link | --rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 2006-10-28 15:20 /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:22.10 | cahoot | torrr: manually |
| 12:22.17 | geo-rge | how big does it say the file is? |
| 12:22.20 | x_link | Wooow... I really have ALOT of reading ahead of me =) |
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| 12:22.28 | x_link | geo-rge: Me? |
| 12:22.33 | geo-rge | yes |
| 12:22.38 | raf256 | !bitchslap debian's GRUB auto update |
| 12:22.47 | x_link | geo-rge: Which file? |
| 12:22.47 | torrr | humm, ok, I will do no change and tell it to write what it have to |
| 12:23.00 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.15 | amphi | x_link: for instance, you can join mpeg files with cat 1.mpg 2.mpg 3.mpg > all.mpg ;) |
| 12:23.17 | geo-rge | the ls -l listing shows its size |
| 12:23.47 | x_link | geo-rge: sedde@sedde:~$ ls -l /etc/debian_version |
| 12:23.47 | x_link | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 2006-10-28 15:20 /etc/debian_version |
| 12:23.51 | x_link | I just got that. |
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| 12:24.03 | x_link | amphi: Join mpeg files? How do you mean? |
| 12:24.04 | geo-rge | which gives you a lot of information |
| 12:24.18 | amphi | x_link: huh? |
| 12:24.27 | cahoot | x_link: join = foga ihop |
| 12:24.40 | amphi | cahoot: it does? ;) |
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| 12:24.56 | cahoot | amphi: rest assured it does ;) |
| 12:25.13 | geo-rge | x_link: what does it say when you do cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:26.10 | x_link | cahoot: You're swedish? =) |
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| 12:26.18 | x_link | geo-rge: I will see |
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| 12:26.20 | cahoot | in a way |
| 12:26.49 | x_link | geo-rge: sedde@sedde:~$ /etc/debian/version |
| 12:26.50 | x_link | bash: /etc/debian/version: No such file or directory |
| 12:26.55 | x_link | cahoot: hehe ok =) |
| 12:27.17 | geo-rge | x_link: is that the right name? |
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| 12:27.39 | x_link | geo-rge: What do you mean? Should it be /etc/edbian//etch ? |
| 12:27.46 | x_link | /etc/debian/etch |
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| 12:28.01 | amphi | x_link: just read what geo-rge said |
| 12:28.29 | x_link | What is the right name? |
| 12:28.42 | x_link | Ohh |
| 12:28.45 | geo-rge | look for where you did it and it looked right |
| 12:28.50 | x_link | I saw it now |
| 12:29.03 | x_link | Permission Denied |
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| 12:29.12 | geo-rge | we're trying to show you that you will be thinking a LOT while doing this |
| 12:29.52 | x_link | Should it be ---> $cat /etc/debian_version or juste $/etc/debian_version? |
| 12:29.56 | zamuro | dpkg: Kiss me |
| 12:29.56 | geo-rge | ok, if /etc/debian_version is a file that contains something you want to see directly, is there a command you know that will show it? |
| 12:30.01 | ole | how can I provide traffic shaping and/or QoS on a debian box acting as my home lan firewall? |
| 12:30.18 | x_link | geo-rge: Yes, cat |
| 12:30.23 | geo-rge | try :) |
| 12:30.26 | x_link | ok |
| 12:30.51 | x_link | It worked, the output is "4.0" |
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| 12:31.03 | amphi | x_link: etch, hurrah! |
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| 12:31.05 | x_link | geo-rge: Could I not use the command "less" for this? |
| 12:31.13 | x_link | amphi: Of course =) |
| 12:31.31 | geo-rge | yes. what is the difference between cat and less? |
| 12:31.31 | amphi | x_link: not much point using a pager for a file with one line ;) |
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| 12:31.59 | x_link | geo-rge: Cat reads files, less reads directoires? |
| 12:32.05 | x_link | directories |
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| 12:32.14 | x_link | If I remember it right? |
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| 12:32.25 | geo-rge | no they both read files... the difference is that less gives you a page at a time |
| 12:32.34 | x_link | ohh ok |
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| 12:33.05 | geo-rge | (but as mentioned... doesn't always make sense to pagerify a one-line file :) |
| 12:33.15 | yage | Hello, i'd like to migrate a machine from phisical to virtual (say, vmware) without powering it off, if i do netcat /dev/sda over a pipe while the system is running will this work? Is this possible? Better ideas? |
| 12:33.17 | x_link | geo-rge: Let's say I have a movie in /mnt/sedde/Movies/moviename.avi |
| 12:33.35 | x_link | Can I open that file/movie and watch it from the konsole? |
| 12:34.01 | geo-rge | if you have a player (sorta like cat, but for avi movies) for avi movies |
| 12:34.25 | geo-rge | most likely tho it will use its own window |
| 12:34.38 | geo-rge | (instead of using the konsole) |
| 12:35.21 | geo-rge | good--- you understand pathnames |
| 12:36.15 | x_link | geo-rge: pathnames? =) |
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| 12:36.22 | x_link | cat "/mnt/sedde/Warez/Movies/Miami Vice [2006]/Miami Vice.avi" |
| 12:36.30 | x_link | geo-rge: I opened that movie like that? |
| 12:36.38 | geo-rge | anyway, I gotta go... |
| 12:37.03 | geo-rge | yes you can... but you'll just see weird random binary data |
| 12:37.14 | x_link | geo-rge: Ok, Thanks alot for your help/support. I really appreciate it alot! |
| 12:37.19 | x_link | geo-rge: ok |
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| 12:37.31 | geo-rge | you need a player that works for that |
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| 12:37.40 | x_link | geo-rge: I have vlc, totem etc. |
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| 12:37.56 | geo-rge | try those :) |
| 12:38.07 | x_link | he |
| 12:38.16 | x_link | Thanks again, now I will go and buy new keyboard. |
| 12:38.18 | x_link | Bye! |
| 12:38.57 | geo-rge | earlier you solved a small problem.. I noticed you missspellled /etc/debian_version but I let you think about how to solve that |
| 12:39.00 | torrr | I try to install and it tells me: cp: can't open '/target//etc/resolv.conf' |
| 12:39.14 | torrr | and then it stops with error |
| 12:39.48 | torrr | it says no such file |
| 12:39.59 | torrr | I think it is the // |
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| 12:40.11 | torrr | but where did it get that? |
| 12:40.23 | suppaman | cahoot: are you still there? |
| 12:40.37 | suppaman | cahoot: yes | aplay makes a lot of noise |
| 12:41.03 | torrr | I mean there is a /target/etc/resolv.conf but not with ...et//etc.. |
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| 12:42.17 | cahoot | suppaman: the alsa works as expected |
| 12:43.07 | suppaman | cahoot: and now I've reloaded snd_ymfpci and everything works |
| 12:43.20 | suppaman | I'd like to try oss |
| 12:43.21 | cahoot | suppaman: all you might need to do additionally is to make sure the apps are configured to use alsa output |
| 12:43.40 | cahoot | suppaman: alsa offers oss-emulation |
| 12:43.41 | suppaman | should the app support alsa explicitly? |
| 12:43.52 | suppaman | I use mpd on the debian box |
| 12:44.11 | cahoot | suppaman: some old apps might need the nudge |
| 12:44.21 | suppaman | thanks |
| 12:44.22 | suppaman | bye |
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| 12:45.39 | torrr | does anyone knows what is the problem with this file? |
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| 12:46.12 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:51.29 | magesing | Hello, I am trying to configure my /etc/apt/sources.list file using the instructions at the debian APT howto, however, when I run apt-get update I get the error: |
| 12:51.33 | magesing | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/P ackages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.240.212 80] |
| 12:51.39 | aidehua | Any recommendations for a program that can gather mail from an IMAPd and push it into sendmail? |
| 12:52.14 | avtobiff | magesing, does the us mirror have the binary-amd64? |
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| 12:52.45 | magesing | avtobiff: I think so, let me double check |
| 12:54.27 | magesing | avtobiff: no, they do not call it amd64, they call it ia64 (I assume this refers to the same architecture), how can I change my settings so that it uses the ia64 directory? |
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| 12:54.51 | avtobiff | magesing, write ia64 instead of binary-amd64 |
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| 12:55.39 | cahoot | magesing: if I'm not mistaken ia is for ithanium |
| 12:56.25 | magesing | hmm.. that may not work with my amd64 processor, which server would have amd64 binaries? checking the debian site... |
| 12:56.51 | avtobiff | magesing, http://www.google.com/search?q=sources.list%20apt%20debian%20amd64 |
| 12:57.26 | avtobiff | magesing, why do you want amd64 binaries? |
| 12:57.41 | magesing | avtobiff because I have an amd64 processor |
| 12:58.06 | magesing | is there some other arch I should be using instead? |
| 12:58.08 | avtobiff | magesing, so? i do too? i use the 32-bit version of the os. |
| 12:58.19 | avtobiff | magesing, use i386. it works. |
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| 12:58.36 | magesing | then why have a 64bit processor in the first place? |
| 12:58.46 | avtobiff | magesing, it is a commercial ploy |
| 12:59.00 | avtobiff | most programs dont use the extra 32 bits of adressing space anyways. |
| 12:59.06 | avtobiff | not yet anyway |
| 12:59.11 | magesing | for some of the things I do (FEA etc.) the 64bit word length comes in handy |
| 12:59.28 | avtobiff | ok |
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| 13:00.05 | avtobiff | magesing, this is what you want http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html |
| 13:00.18 | magesing | avtobiff: thanks |
| 13:00.20 | avtobiff | magesing, and read this: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 13:00.30 | avtobiff | magesing, and learn how to google |
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| 13:00.41 | avtobiff | magesing, it helps you help yourself |
| 13:00.50 | magesing | avtobiff: ;) will do |
| 13:01.02 | avtobiff | hmmm |
| 13:01.04 | avtobiff | http://www.ducea.com/2006/05/26/debian-amd64-port-included-in-official-mirrors-amd64debiannet-no-longer-updated/ |
| 13:01.10 | avtobiff | it says it is in the official repos |
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| 13:19.30 | ajeet | hello im downloading debian 3.1r5 DVD version and noticed in the mirror, that theres two binary ISOs as well, do i need them at all for install? |
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| 13:20.32 | sepski | ajeet, you only need the netinstall, the 1cd or the 1 dvd for a basic install. the test of the 14 cd's or the second dvd is just more software. but you can just as well get that with apt-get when/if you need it |
| 13:21.00 | sepski | i usualy use the netinstall. since i have internet on my machines |
| 13:21.05 | ajeet | sepski: so i dont need the binary isos? |
| 13:21.17 | sepski | if you have no internet, using the dvd give you a lot of software to try out |
| 13:21.20 | mehlng | How can I know how much memory total are my processes taking? |
| 13:21.27 | mehlng | my apache processes |
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| 13:22.51 | Zaggynl | Hi, I've recently shutdown then started my laptop with Debian Etch on it, and since the last shutdown, the booting doesn't come any further then the word GRUB |
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| 13:23.27 | sepski | mehlng, a simple question, but a very complex answer. becouse many processes use the same shared memory, |
| 13:23.35 | ajeet | zaggyni: is there a grub error code with it? |
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| 13:24.01 | Zaggynl | ajeet, nope, it only shows the word 'GRUB' then freezes completely, Caps Lock and all that doesn't blink any LED's |
| 13:24.16 | mehlng | My server crushed - how can I verify whether it's from lack of memory or not? I've used 50% cache and 90% memory |
| 13:24.32 | sepski | mehlng, you can try vmstat and svmon tools |
| 13:24.34 | ajeet | zaggyni: i apologise but don't know what has happened there |
| 13:24.49 | gulars | I'm trying to get a HP ScanJet 5300 working. It lists at lsusb as "03f0:0701 Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 5300c", and sane-find-scanner lists that one, plus my fingerprint reader... but whenI launch xsane or kooka neither are able of finding the scanner :| |
| 13:24.52 | gulars | any ideas? |
| 13:25.25 | sepski | !fixmbr |
| 13:25.25 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 13:25.33 | tralala | Zaggynl, your mbr got damaged. It happens occasionally. |
| 13:25.38 | sepski | Zaggynl, even if it was not windows that broke your mbr the steps are the same |
| 13:25.50 | Zaggynl | But I just shut it down :/ |
| 13:26.28 | Zaggynl | I booted with ubuntu edgy live cd, and fdisk -l shows nothing |
| 13:26.40 | tralala | Don't shut it down ever again! ;) |
| 13:26.44 | Zaggynl | heheh |
| 13:26.53 | sepski | Zaggynl, did it locate your harddrive at all ? perhaps your disk is broken. |
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| 13:27.15 | Zaggynl | sepski, the crappy BIOS can't show the devices, and I see no hdd's in ubuntu edgy |
| 13:27.19 | sepski | Zaggynl, check /proc/partitions, and dmesg for harddrive information |
| 13:27.22 | daya | hello, everybody i can't boot debian testing from my cdrom |
| 13:27.25 | daya | any idea? |
| 13:27.43 | sepski | daya, what installer are you using ? |
| 13:27.49 | gulars | daya: you've checked your bios, right? |
| 13:27.56 | Zaggynl | dmesg does show it |
| 13:28.11 | Zaggynl | gotta go, driving lessons |
| 13:28.11 | daya | gulars, yes , other distro is booting properly |
| 13:28.11 | gulars | 'bout the scanner issue - ideas to what I could do? |
| 13:28.35 | daya | daya, but the things is that the same cd get booted from other pentium 4 comp. |
| 13:28.37 | gulars | daya: tried booting the image in qemu? |
| 13:28.48 | gulars | that's odd |
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| 13:29.19 | sepski | daya, perhaps one cdrom is more tolerant then the other. |
| 13:29.21 | tralala | daya, quit talking to yourself |
| 13:29.48 | sepski | gulars, sorry, never used sane/scanner at all |
| 13:29.50 | daya | sepski, but I have exchanged the cdrom |
| 13:30.02 | sepski | daya, what installer ? |
| 13:30.02 | daya | sepski, my board is via |
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| 13:30.24 | gulars | weird thing is that it worked out-of-the-box on my previous install :| |
| 13:30.26 | daya | sepski, It is debina testing ver |
| 13:30.39 | sepski | perhaps your bios dont like the version of syslinux on the etch cd |
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| 13:31.14 | daya | sepski, any solution |
| 13:31.31 | tralala | daya, can you boot the sarge installer? |
| 13:31.42 | sepski | daya, there are ~50 different installers for etch, so saing the etch ones is pointless |
| 13:32.13 | tziku | hello i have 3.1 and i want 3.1r5 . How can u upgrade my sistem ? |
| 13:32.25 | daya | sepski, yes |
| 13:32.28 | daya | sepski, Debian GNU/Linux testing "Etch" - Official Snapshot i386 CD |
| 13:32.29 | daya | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.54 | sepski | daya, tried thedaily image ? |
| 13:33.05 | daya | what |
| 13:33.16 | sepski | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 13:33.43 | sepski | !security tziku |
| 13:33.56 | sepski | !security |
| 13:33.56 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
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| 13:34.20 | sepski | tziku, ^^^ there |
| 13:34.32 | david_b | hi |
| 13:34.34 | madd_matt | Can somebody explain to me why aptitude vs apt-get should be used? |
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| 13:34.45 | tziku | thanks sepski |
| 13:34.53 | sepski | madd_matt, aptitude is better at resolving odd conflicts/dependencies |
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| 13:35.30 | Rydekull | madd_matt: i'd say that you should use whatever you feel more comfortable with |
| 13:35.45 | Rydekull | madd_matt: neither is a bad tool |
| 13:35.49 | tralala | madd_matt, because you like the one better than the other |
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| 13:36.06 | david_b | is it possible to only forward mails using .forward if they have come from a special mail address? |
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| 13:36.22 | madd_matt | So I take it any advice that one is better than the other is just people being opinionated? |
| 13:36.25 | sepski | madd_matt, also worth reading http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html |
| 13:36.43 | sepski | madd_matt, in the case of better. opionion is the only criterium |
| 13:36.44 | sepski | !better |
| 13:36.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 13:37.19 | Rydekull | madd_matt: Both have their things they do better. Use the one you feel is best. Dont be afraid to use the other if it excells at one specific thing |
| 13:37.22 | david_b | i thought of procmail but i could not figure out how to use both procmail and .forward |
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| 13:44.33 | xand | :( |
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| 13:45.48 | nn-main | hi |
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| 13:47.38 | nn-main | is a Geforce Fx 5200 beter than and ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01) |
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| 13:48.44 | nn-main | ?? |
| 13:49.34 | JoachimLM | a GeForce is always better |
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| 13:52.17 | nn-main | ok |
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| 13:53.01 | nn-main | What is the so caled Xgl is it an Virsion of X server and how do i get it ? |
| 13:53.12 | Rydekull | JoachimLM: I bet ya any techgeek will challenge your "always" |
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| 13:54.42 | h3sp4wn | nn-main: I would say the ati is better - works with free drivers and no tainted kernel |
| 13:54.57 | h3sp4wn | (properly supported by r200) |
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| 13:55.56 | nn-main | Well then what up with Dri or Gl trying to use my processer for rendering insted of the graphics card?? |
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| 13:56.16 | nn-main | on the Ati computer |
| 13:57.56 | vick_ | Hello, can i install package from source and pass to it option like --enable-something ? |
| 13:57.56 | h3sp4wn | vick_: run ./configure --help |
| 13:57.56 | h3sp4wn | vick_: (give you the options) |
| 13:57.56 | vick_ | h3sp4wn, i know that |
| 13:57.57 | vick_ | h3sp4wn, i mean using apt |
| 13:57.57 | vick_ | h3sp4wn, or synaptic or something |
| 13:57.58 | h3sp4wn | vick_: you can get the source with apt-get source and modify debian/rules |
| 13:57.58 | h3sp4wn | build with pbuilder or whatever |
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| 13:59.04 | r2d5 | hi |
| 13:59.40 | nn-main | the last time i tryed i was told to get Drm but how do i compile it |
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| 13:59.59 | vick_ | h3sp4wn, modify debian/rules ? |
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| 14:00.36 | h3sp4wn | vick_: when you do apt-get source foo - then it will download and unpack the debianised source then you can change debian/rules |
| 14:00.55 | h3sp4wn | it will have the configure options it is using in it |
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| 14:01.09 | itchi | ho ho hoooiii |
| 14:01.47 | h3sp4wn | nn-main: You don't need to unless you have installed fglrx it should just work - using Driver "ati" or Driver "radeon" |
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| 14:04.30 | nn-main | i dont think i have installed that and it dosent work open gl is trying to use indirect rendering? |
| 14:04.34 | nn-main | ? |
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| 14:04.57 | MarcoPau | hey, I need to enable routing between two ethernet cards... can you help me with that? |
| 14:05.20 | mehlng | can apache run without using all memory? or must it use everything always past some time even even when traffic is low? |
| 14:05.51 | nn-main | MarcoPau, I use ip_masqurade on my server works fine |
| 14:06.10 | MarcoPau | nn-main: what am I supposed to do with that? |
| 14:06.27 | h3sp4wn | MarcoPau: sarge / etch / sid ? |
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| 14:06.39 | nn-main | just install ipmasq and that will forword the data |
| 14:06.41 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: sid |
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| 14:07.07 | h3sp4wn | MarcoPau: edit /etc/sysctl.conf - net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 (maybe its already there just commented out) |
| 14:07.21 | nn-main | Un less you need this to port Forword id use ip masq |
| 14:07.43 | h3sp4wn | No point in doing nat unless you absolutely have to |
| 14:08.21 | nn-main | good point |
| 14:08.34 | nn-main | School time gtg bye |
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| 14:09.24 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: that's it? need to reboot any daemon? |
| 14:10.08 | MarcoPau | restart* |
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| 14:10.32 | h3sp4wn | MarcoPau: you can just run it manually as root - sysctl net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 14:10.40 | h3sp4wn | (saves needless reboot) |
| 14:11.15 | phorce1 | I'm looking for a new video card for my etch box. I need YPbPr output to hook to my 6 year old HiDef TV. All I'm really seeing that offers the option (without adding a $100 converter box) are ATI 9800 Pro cards. Is installing ATI drivers still a pain in the neck? |
| 14:11.22 | debianito2 | hello! |
| 14:11.35 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: ok, now eth0 is routing to eth1 and vice versa? |
| 14:11.37 | rgsteele | !welcome debianito2 |
| 14:11.44 | rgsteele | Aw, is it !hello? |
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| 14:13.25 | the_mug | morning all. does anyone have any links to a Xen Vps Server Howto? |
| 14:13.40 | petemc | the_mug: google has lots |
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| 14:13.46 | the_mug | (I googled it already and got weird links) |
| 14:13.55 | the_mug | thanks petemc |
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| 14:14.05 | h3sp4wn | MarcoPau: It will forward packets between interfaces - I don't really know what you are trying to do |
| 14:14.10 | petemc | the_mug: debian-administration and the debian dev "jd" both have decent guides |
| 14:14.22 | petemc | both easily found via google |
| 14:15.20 | petemc | the_mug: im not just telling you to google for the sake of it, i use xen and i found many guides that way |
| 14:15.51 | the_mug | petemc: yeah. I was using the wrong keywords. |
| 14:16.36 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: I need it in order to use my voip telephone... it's supposed to be connected directly to a router or switch, but my router has only 1 port and I got no switch, thus I'm using a second ethernet card which I need to "share" with the other one, as if they were in the same LAN I suppose |
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| 14:17.20 | justin | MarcoPau: does your ip phone have 2 ethernet ports on it? |
| 14:17.34 | h3sp4wn | MarcoPau: Is this router a pc or a piece of hardware ? |
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| 14:17.51 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: a piece of hw :) |
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| 14:18.44 | MarcoPau | justin: no, just one, which has to be connected to either router or switch... or, as I'm trying to do, another ethernet interface which is routing with the other (don't know if I'm using proper expressions) |
| 14:18.57 | justin | MarcoPau: perhaps you want to setup a bridge |
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| 14:20.07 | MarcoPau | justin: and how about that forwarding that h3sp4wn suggested? can I verify if it's maybe already working? |
| 14:20.27 | MarcoPau | basically I think I need the second ethernet to be reached thru the first one |
| 14:20.27 | justin | MarcoPau: it's not, you need to do more than run that one command |
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| 14:20.47 | MarcoPau | justin: i.e. set up a bridge in the router configuration? |
| 14:20.53 | justin | MarcoPau: what router? |
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| 14:21.11 | MarcoPau | justin: zyxel prestige 600 series |
| 14:21.14 | h3sp4wn | MarcoPau: That is not what you need to do |
| 14:21.21 | vick__ | apt-get source xchat-gnome for example gives "E: Unable to find a source package for xchat-gnome" |
| 14:21.27 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: what do you refer to? |
| 14:21.40 | h3sp4wn | (what I said before) - but it was the answer to what you asked |
| 14:21.41 | MarcoPau | justin: it has a telnet configuration tool |
| 14:21.52 | justin | MarcoPau: that is a dsl modem, not a router |
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| 14:22.14 | MarcoPau | justin: nope, the "series" is a router |
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| 14:22.37 | justin | MarcoPau: how many ethernet ports does it have? |
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| 14:22.47 | MarcoPau | justin: one, as I said |
| 14:23.19 | MarcoPau | justin: it's a router with one port |
| 14:23.24 | justin | MarcoPau: setup a bridge on your computer |
| 14:23.32 | petemc | a bridge isnt necessary |
| 14:23.37 | MarcoPau | oh gosh :D |
| 14:23.39 | petemc | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 14:23.59 | justin | if he already has a network device doing nat, that is redundant |
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| 14:24.17 | abrotman | double nat! |
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| 14:24.29 | justin | either a bridge or a plain routing setup would be fine, asuming the zyxel device lets you add static routes |
| 14:24.44 | strav | hi there... Small question here: is there anyone who can tell me how I can get logs into a chroot dir (the chroot dir in question has a rather complete debian system installed, syslogd is or seems to be started, proc is mounted... I still don't know why am I getting nothing in syslog) |
| 14:25.23 | MarcoPau | justin: this is an entry in the router's menu 12. Static Routing Setup |
| 14:26.03 | MarcoPau | justin: subentries: ip static route, ipx static route, bridge static route. shall I go for one of those? |
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| 14:29.16 | strav | anyone? |
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| 14:31.55 | MarcoPau | justin: you there? |
| 14:32.04 | petemc | strav: you need add a socket for syslog within the chroot |
| 14:33.26 | strav | oh |
| 14:33.30 | abrotman | or use the tcp syslog |
| 14:33.34 | MarcoPau | petemc: can you maybe help me? |
| 14:33.41 | justin | MarcoPau: hi |
| 14:33.51 | MarcoPau | justin: heh |
| 14:33.53 | justin | MarcoPau: can the ip phone also be given a static IP? |
| 14:33.54 | strav | petemc, then I shall just hard link the main / socket? let me try that |
| 14:34.01 | MarcoPau | justin: yes |
| 14:34.05 | petemc | strav: dont guess! google the details |
| 14:34.25 | justin | MarcoPau: great, setup eth1 on your machine to have an ip on a different subnet than eth0, 192.168.3.1 or such |
| 14:34.39 | MarcoPau | justin: it already has one. I configured both the eth interface and phone already in that sense. all I need is routing between the first eth which is connected to the router and the second one for the phone |
| 14:34.55 | justin | MarcoPau: give the phone 192.168.3.2, add a static route on your dsl thingy for 192.168.3.0 255.255.255.0 with a gateway of whatever the eth0 ip on your machine is |
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| 14:35.18 | justin | it's really quite easy :) |
| 14:35.41 | strav | petemc, I'll check. thanks again |
| 14:36.16 | MarcoPau | justin: mm, let me tell you these numbers: 192.168.1.33 is eth1 which goes to 192.168.1.1 which is the router (gw). 192.168.2.33 is eth0 which goes to 192.168.2.2 (the phone) |
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| 14:36.29 | MarcoPau | justin: they all are 255.255.255.0 |
| 14:36.40 | ZeeO | who can point me to a good tut on how to setup pure-ftpd-mysql |
| 14:36.44 | ZeeO | to use with webadmin |
| 14:36.53 | justin | MarcoPau: add a route on the dsl thing that says 192.168.2.0 255.255.255.0 goes through 192.168.1.33 |
| 14:37.02 | phorce1 | My IP phone is plugged straight into my router and works fine with port forwarding set up in the router. Why does yours need to communicate directly to your computer's eth0? |
| 14:37.15 | justin | phorce1: his router only has one port |
| 14:37.41 | phorce1 | ahh -- that sucks. Buy a cheap hub. |
| 14:37.44 | justin | a bridge setup is simplet at least configuration wise, it's a bit more compicated conceptually though |
| 14:37.51 | MarcoPau | justin: ok, but what kind of route? there's ip, ipx and bridge in the router's config |
| 14:38.03 | justin | MarcoPau: ip |
| 14:38.06 | MarcoPau | phorce1: I'll go for ti |
| 14:38.08 | MarcoPau | it* |
| 14:38.11 | MarcoPau | now just trying |
| 14:38.26 | Rydekull | MarcoPau: switch, not hub |
| 14:38.35 | justin | with a bridge you'd just have to bridge eth0 and eth1, and then the phone would think it was connected to the router |
| 14:38.44 | MarcoPau | Rydekull: yep, I already have one in mind ;) |
| 14:38.56 | justin | you can't really buy hubs anymore.. you probably couldn't even pay people to take them from you |
| 14:39.02 | phorce1 | Rydekull: yeah -- actually hard to find a plain old dumb hub now |
| 14:39.26 | Rydekull | I'd take the hub and thwack whoever asked me to buy one |
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| 14:40.32 | MarcoPau | justin: can I paste a few lines in query |
| 14:40.33 | MarcoPau | ? |
| 14:40.59 | justin | MarcoPau: pastebin |
| 14:41.09 | MarcoPau | !pastebin |
| 14:41.09 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 14:41.12 | petemc | justin: in the current configuration you've described, how does the data get from eth1 -> eth0 -> zyxel ? |
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| 14:42.01 | MarcoPau | justin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5535 |
| 14:42.20 | MarcoPau | justin: seems correct to you or not? all I did is put in the ip's and say active: yes |
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| 14:42.51 | justin | petemc: the static route |
| 14:43.02 | justin | petemc: oh, he already enabled ip forwarding |
| 14:43.05 | petemc | justin: the static route is on the zyxel tho? |
| 14:43.11 | petemc | oh right |
| 14:43.30 | justin | MarcoPau: possibly may need to check that "Private", not sure on tat.. can you run a traceroute on the router? |
| 14:43.40 | petemc | ive set this up for a few people, and i always use masquerading |
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| 14:43.53 | justin | petemc: he is in control of the lan, masquerading is not needed |
| 14:44.12 | petemc | im just sayign what works for me |
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| 14:44.19 | justin | it would work, it is just not needed |
| 14:44.20 | MarcoPau | justin: don't know what that is... in the menu, there's no traceroute entry |
| 14:44.30 | justin | MarcoPau: ping? |
| 14:44.44 | justin | MarcoPau: the telnet interface doesn't let you run commands? |
| 14:44.46 | MarcoPau | justin: not even. all I can do is ping from shell |
| 14:44.53 | MarcoPau | justin: apparently not |
| 14:44.57 | justin | lame |
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| 14:45.06 | justin | MarcoPau: well, if you added that route, it should work now |
| 14:45.29 | MarcoPau | ok |
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| 14:45.55 | MarcoPau | justin: do I still need that forwarding line in sysctl.conf?= |
| 14:46.01 | justin | MarcoPau: yes |
| 14:46.10 | justin | MarcoPau: you also need to re-read that file so it applies the setting |
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| 14:46.22 | MarcoPau | ok |
| 14:46.34 | xerophyte_ | Could somebody please help me with kernel issue, i am getting VFS:Unable to mount root fs trying to compile vanila kernel from source you can find more info at http://www.pastebin.ca/377154 |
| 14:46.39 | justin | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward should print 1 if it is setup right |
| 14:46.42 | klarakarl | I have installed etch. Now errow keys do not work in man for scrolling up and down Besides using / for searching quits man Termianl is xterm Can anyone help? |
| 14:46.47 | dippo | anyone if debian's libc6 has been updated with the 2007 changes in DST? |
| 14:46.55 | justin | dippo: months ago |
| 14:46.57 | dippo | word |
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| 14:48.53 | justin | xerophyte_: do the bootup messages mention detecting the SCSI controller? |
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| 14:49.04 | CrippsFX | does anyone know of a good how to that I can follow to get festival working with XChat? |
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| 14:49.18 | xerophyte_ | justin, the server on remote :( |
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| 14:50.05 | MarcoPau | justin: ok, I can ping the phone now... thanks :) |
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| 14:53.51 | xerophyte_ | justin, any other thoughts how can i resolve this issue |
| 14:54.17 | justin | xerophyte_: find out more about your hard disk controller |
| 14:54.31 | xerophyte_ | justin, what do you need to know |
| 14:54.40 | justin | xerophyte_: YOU need to know more about it |
| 14:55.11 | xerophyte_ | justin, do know .. i did compile all the support for it in the kernel .. still giving that error |
| 14:55.58 | xerophyte_ | justin, that pastebin post does has all the config mostly |
| 14:56.10 | justin | xerophyte_: you need to know what is printed with respect to the ethernet controller BEFORE that error |
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| 15:02.06 | XTF | Hi. What is the command to list all installed packages that have no reverse dependencies installed? |
| 15:02.25 | torrr | I have installed netinst, and grub has a wrong hd3,0 instead of hd0,0 how can I change it? |
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| 15:03.09 | torrr | I could enter some grub> prompt |
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| 15:03.09 | torrr | can it be changed from there? |
| 15:03.14 | cahoot | torrr: hit tab the e for edit |
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| 15:05.38 | torrr | when I hit tab, it say posible commands and there are 5 lines of commands |
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| 15:07.00 | mzilikazi | other than through the BIOS, is there a way to assign an irq to a specific device? |
| 15:07.08 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:09.11 | cahoot | torrr: my bad - just hit e at the boot screen option you want to edit |
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| 15:14.02 | RoboShim | Hi people. I have question for DEB developers (i'm not sure, if this is correct channel). I've made package A, which configures debconf values for package B and then I need to reconfigure package B to update configuration files. But when I install package A or I do dpkg-reconfigure A, it cannot run reconfiguration of package B (either dpkg-reconfigure B or exec /var/lib/dpkg/info/B.config) while debconf database is locked. Is there any solution? |
| 15:14.49 | RoboShim | Thank you for answer. |
| 15:14.58 | Zaggynl | Hi, my laptop freezes at Grub (just shows the word GRUB then freezes completely) |
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| 15:14.58 | tarzeau | RoboShim: is your packages online? |
| 15:15.02 | Zaggynl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.13 | tarzeau | Zaggynl: what did you change? |
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| 15:15.23 | Zaggynl | tarzeau, nothing, just started the laptop |
| 15:15.39 | tarzeau | Zaggynl: no software or kernel upgrade? |
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| 15:15.50 | Zaggynl | at school I halted the laptop, in the train I start it, just freezes and shows the word 'GRUB' |
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| 15:17.01 | RoboShim | tarzeau: no, in my private repo, but I need some basic idea, how to solve this lockout. I have tried to run db_go and db_stop before calling /var/lib/dpkg/info/B.config or dpkg-reconfigure B, but while I do dpkg-reconfigure A, it freezes and in ps I can see, that dpkg-reconfigure A started dpkg-reconfigure B, but nothing happens. |
| 15:17.03 | firman | mailman and virtual host |
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| 15:17.41 | tarzeau | RoboShim: is it private and secret, or can you make your private repo public? |
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| 15:18.25 | CBG | Hi, looking to get debian for my new intel iMac, what version do I need? (alpha, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, ppc, sparc) ? |
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| 15:18.40 | tarzeau | CBG: i386 |
| 15:18.44 | Kevin` | i386, like a normal pc |
| 15:18.50 | CBG | K, thanks. |
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| 15:20.31 | RoboShim | tarzeau: not secret, not private, but behind firewall:) I need setup values for "shared/ldapns/ldap-server" and "shared/ldapns/base-dn" for libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap. I use db_set 'shared/ldapns/base-dn' 'VALUE' and db_set 'shared/ldapns/ldap-server' 'VALUE' in shell script. This works perfect, the values are stored in debconf and I can see them with debconf-get-selection. |
| 15:21.15 | RoboShim | but I need after this settings start reconfiguration libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap so they generate new files /etc/libnss-ldap.conf and /etc/pam_ldap.conf. |
| 15:22.00 | sepski | RoboShim, why not use a preseed file ? |
| 15:22.05 | sepski | before you install the packages |
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| 15:22.25 | RoboShim | tarzeau: but it's a common question. Developer makes package A, which depends on package B. Package A makes configuration for packages B and needs to reconfigure package B with new values. |
| 15:22.47 | RoboShim | sepski: preseed file? I don't know that, have you any URL to read about? |
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| 15:23.31 | sepski | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed it's part of the instalattion process |
| 15:23.38 | RoboShim | I know I can delete ###DEBCONF### at the beggining of the file to manage files manually, but with debconf seems to be better |
| 15:24.18 | RoboShim | sepski: I see, but I needed for already installed and running system |
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| 15:25.15 | RoboShim | sepski: I have system without libnss-ldap (or installed but not used) and I want to install my package, which makes only configuration and then reconfigure libnss-ldap. Then the fututre updates are simple. |
| 15:25.32 | spheard | anyone know where I can get help with a dodgy bit of ssh |
| 15:25.40 | torrr | well I am sorry to say, but it apears like I am having exactly the same problem with etch as with ubuntoo |
| 15:26.07 | Ronin | pebcak? |
| 15:26.13 | spheard | various keys down work |
| 15:26.17 | spheard | like 'r' |
| 15:26.24 | spheard | and 's' |
| 15:26.35 | cahoot | torrr: that's only intended as general info? |
| 15:26.40 | torrr | I have set up the network address in the administration GUI, and DNS servers, and after a few seconds it was lost |
| 15:26.45 | bzed | !tell torrr about ask |
| 15:27.05 | Rydekull | torrr: kill dhclient |
| 15:27.30 | cahoot | wouldn't it be better to edit interfaces? |
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| 15:27.52 | torrr | dhclinent? and how do I make it not come back on reboot? |
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| 15:28.30 | torrr | cahoot: On ubuntoo I have edited interfaces, etc' but something overwrites it |
| 15:28.35 | cahoot | torrr: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:28.45 | torrr | cahoot I know |
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| 15:28.59 | torrr | cahoot something overwrite it |
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| 15:29.35 | cahoot | torrr: overwrote /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:29.45 | tarzeau | maybe yast? |
| 15:29.46 | torrr | cahoot: yes |
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| 15:30.03 | Rydekull | tarzeau: debian isnt suse |
| 15:30.11 | tarzeau | Rydekull: i know, but i don't think he has debian |
| 15:30.17 | tarzeau | Rydekull: if it overwrites interfaces |
| 15:30.28 | Rydekull | tarzeau: he said he uses etch |
| 15:30.34 | tarzeau | Rydekull: besides you can get yast to run on non-suse systems too (not likely anyone wants this) |
| 15:30.34 | Rydekull | tarzeau: i'd rather suspect gnome |
| 15:30.39 | cahoot | tarzeau: gnomes network tool might do |
| 15:30.49 | tarzeau | cahoot: only if you run it as root |
| 15:31.01 | torrr | I use etch, I have had ubuntoo and didn't like it over this problem. |
| 15:31.02 | CBG | Just booted from debian netinst cd on my intel mac, skipped the help section and had some very fast scrolling text for a minute of two. Now I got the choose language page up but cant make a selection, seems like it's frozen. :/ |
| 15:31.16 | Rydekull | torrr: ubuntu |
| 15:31.26 | torrr | ah |
| 15:31.34 | tarzeau | CBG: usb keyboard? |
| 15:31.38 | torrr | a bit dislectic I am |
| 15:31.46 | tarzeau | CBG: i've had that also on a mac mini. which linux kernel do you have? |
| 15:31.49 | CBG | yep, tarzeau |
| 15:32.01 | tarzeau | CBG: i was able to boot my livecd.gnustep.org, but after installation keyboard wouldn't work |
| 15:32.04 | CBG | I downloaded the official stable netinst version |
| 15:32.15 | tarzeau | CBG: oh that's probably way too old to support your hardware |
| 15:32.17 | Rydekull | testing |
| 15:32.19 | tarzeau | CBG: try an etch one |
| 15:32.21 | torrr | but in ubuntu this problem caused interfaces file that I have edited manually to be overwriten |
| 15:32.34 | nunu | where can I get some help for building a realtime kernel ? I tried it for 2 days now but I can't get it to work |
| 15:32.38 | torrr | I am not sure if I managed to fix it there |
| 15:32.46 | tarzeau | nunu: what kind of realtime kernel? which patches? |
| 15:32.54 | CBG | ah, ok, thanks tarzeau |
| 15:32.54 | cahoot | torrr: not in debian if you don't run those gonme tools |
| 15:33.07 | torrr | ah |
| 15:33.17 | tarzeau | torrr: you can try to remove the write permissions from the file? |
| 15:33.29 | torrr | but I have gnome |
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| 15:33.57 | torrr | so I should not use these admin gui's and that's it? |
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| 15:34.11 | cahoot | torrr: yes but you don't need to run it's network tools |
| 15:34.21 | torrr | tarzeau: I'll try |
| 15:34.45 | CBG | tarzeau: so, the first i386 link on this page: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is my best bet? |
| 15:34.51 | Rydekull | tarzeau: really, how do you expect that the gnome-tool will not require some sort of root-power? |
| 15:34.58 | torrr | cahoot: what if it is some daemon on the background? |
| 15:35.15 | Rydekull | tarzeau: if he changes the rights on the file it wont really help, since it must be run like root(or similiar) |
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| 15:35.41 | cahoot | torrr: well- I have gnome on two systems - my interfaces file is left alone |
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| 15:36.18 | torrr | cahoot - with static IP? and a situation where if you don't have DNS defined you can't surf? |
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| 15:37.13 | RoboShim | sepski,tarzeau: in fact, when I install package A and package B (libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap) is installed as dependency, then everything is fine, because package A setup the values in "preinst" script and when the aptitude configures package B, the correct values are in debconf DB. |
| 15:37.19 | cahoot | torrr: IIRC if you declare a static IP in interfaces it won't call dhclient - but I'm using dhclient so I'm no expert on that |
| 15:37.26 | nunu | http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ <- this is where I got the patch. I tried it with my running kernel (2.6.18) and with the new one (2.6.20) from kernel.org the new one seems to be compiled without errors but when I boot that kernel it always says "atkbd.c Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some Program might be trying access hardware directly". I googled that error but nothing seemed to help. And I can't compile the 2.6.18. kernel without errors |
| 15:37.26 | nunu | somehow :/ |
| 15:37.33 | tarzeau | Rydekull: i really have no idea of gnome |
| 15:37.38 | Rydekull | torrr: If you dont have DNS defined you cant surf(by using google.com etc), but you still can using IP-adressess |
| 15:37.39 | tarzeau | CBG: yes, but even that might be too old |
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| 15:37.47 | tarzeau | CBG: there's kmuto's installer that you can try as well |
| 15:37.49 | tarzeau | !kmuto |
| 15:37.50 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 15:37.51 | Rydekull | tarzeau: you dont have to have a idea of gnome, just filerights :) |
| 15:37.59 | tarzeau | Rydekull: i don't trust gnome |
| 15:38.36 | Kevin` | torrr you could always abuse one of the easy to remember, open dns servers like 4.2.2.4 |
| 15:38.43 | Rydekull | tarzeau: still not gnome, filerights require that <Insertanyapp> have root rights or similiar to use it :) |
| 15:39.01 | Rydekull | tarzeau: hrm, rather write it |
| 15:39.08 | tarzeau | Rydekull: ok i get what you mean |
| 15:39.32 | torrr | Kevin' I can't since it will forget it |
| 15:39.35 | CBG | tarzeau: thanks again, the first one on the kmuto link, right? |
| 15:39.37 | RoboShim | sepski,tarzeau: but when the package B is already installed and I install package A, then packages B is not reconfigured. Similary when you change configuration of any service, you need to restart service (e.g. invore-rc.d ssh reload). I need the same functionality for package configuration. Or should I change for the package B anywhere any option, which means "reconfigure package"? |
| 15:39.50 | Kevin` | you'll forget '4.2.2.4'/ |
| 15:39.51 | torrr | Kevin' I have good dns servers from my ISP |
| 15:39.51 | Kevin` | ? |
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| 15:39.55 | cahoot | torrr: even if you use dhclient it should be possible to inhibit overwriting of resolv.conf - personally I've not managed to figure out how though |
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| 15:40.01 | Kevin` | so write them down, torrr :) |
| 15:40.28 | Grem | hi, where can I find a netinst cd of 'testing' or 'unstable'? |
| 15:40.31 | Kevin` | it's probably faster to use a local caching dns server then your isp's servers |
| 15:40.44 | torrr | Kevin` not me the debian PC. I am not going to query DNS servers and copy IPs |
| 15:40.45 | Kevin` | especially if you have your server use theirs, instead of doing direct lookups |
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| 15:40.56 | Kevin` | I don' |
| 15:41.01 | Kevin` | I don't think you understand what i'm saying |
| 15:41.16 | Kevin` | why would you copy ips |
| 15:41.16 | CBG | Grem: I was just pointed to http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ but this is an official page: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:41.25 | Kevin` | except the dns server ip of your choice |
| 15:41.51 | Grem | thank you CBG! |
| 15:41.57 | tarzeau | RoboShim: please don't repeat, i don't use debconf |
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| 15:42.38 | h3sp4wn | torrr: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf - see the prepend line that is commented out by default |
| 15:42.38 | Rydekull | cahoot: prepend domain-name-servers 130.240.19.2; |
| 15:42.48 | Rydekull | cahoot: like that you can decide how you want it :) |
| 15:42.53 | Rydekull | cahoot: /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 15:43.02 | torrr | Kevin` I think we both don't understand each other.My situation is that whatever I write for DNS servers it gets erased short time after. |
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| 15:43.54 | torrr | I'll check |
| 15:44.07 | Rydekull | torrr: have you killed dhclient yet? |
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| 15:44.48 | CBG | tarzeau: sorry to be a real pain - I'm pretty much a linux noob - but reading about the latest kmuto package at http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2620.htm - I see "you have to setup Web server to download additional udebs", which sounds like a lotta hassle. |
| 15:45.31 | tarzeau | CBG: no you don't need that |
| 15:45.38 | tarzeau | CBG: it's just d-i with a newer kernel |
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| 15:47.20 | CBG | thanks again! :) |
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| 15:48.28 | tarzeau | CBG: please if you succeed can you come back and report? |
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| 15:49.40 | CBG | tarzeau: sure. :) but when I download the netboot file I am left with a folder - any ideas how I burn this to CD ? |
| 15:50.14 | ebw | How can I download the sources of a package? |
| 15:50.19 | torrr | Hi |
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| 15:51.11 | torrr | Rydekull: no, i wen't and looked and dhclient.conf and tried to figure it out. |
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| 15:51.33 | tarzeau | CBG: yes, with cdrecord on linux? or do you have mac? windows? |
| 15:51.39 | tarzeau | ebw: apt-get source pkg |
| 15:51.52 | Rydekull | torrr: kill dhclient |
| 15:51.55 | ebw | thanks |
| 15:51.56 | CBG | mac os x, tiger, tarzeau, trying to use disk-utility |
| 15:52.05 | torrr | Where do I set DNS servers beside the GUI? |
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| 15:52.11 | CBG | I could burn an .iso for example, but not a .tar or the folder. |
| 15:52.17 | Rydekull | torrr: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:52.28 | torrr | ah |
| 15:52.31 | utab | I have to ps files, is there a way to print them on the same page |
| 15:52.38 | utab | like psnup |
| 15:52.53 | utab | psnup takes one input file though |
| 15:53.08 | tarzeau | CBG: you can rename the iso image to .img i think |
| 15:53.08 | CBG | ah, tarzeau one of the other links gives a .iso, I try that. :) |
| 15:53.18 | tarzeau | CBG: kmuto should give iso too |
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| 15:53.27 | CBG | yes, the FR link does. thanks :) |
| 15:53.44 | torrr | ok, Ill try setting it manually, see what happen, kill dhclient see what happen, think what to do next so the PC will not need me for reconfig after reboot |
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| 15:54.20 | Rydekull | torrr: I'd kill dhclient, see if the problem still exists. Reboot see if dhclient starts again |
| 15:54.22 | Muisje | How can i use iptables to limit 5 connections to port 80 per host? |
| 15:54.54 | Muisje | if 5 connections are created i want it to kill the oldest connection when a 6th is created |
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| 16:00.45 | torrr | I tried pinging google.com and it works, but telnet www.google.com 80 didn't work and shows trying 1.0,0,0 |
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| 16:01.13 | petemc | thnee: ive seen crappy routers that respond to all dns queries with that ip |
| 16:01.19 | torrr | I did route, and in gateway there is * |
| 16:01.49 | petemc | thnee: look at the line with the UG flag |
| 16:02.15 | torrr | the gateway should be 10.1.0.138 |
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| 16:04.12 | smimp | i'm having mouse accel issues. on a laptop, my touchpad is extremely insensitive .. i've tried the resolution option in xorg.conf and xset m .. anyone else seen/solved this? |
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| 16:05.33 | thnee | petemc: ok |
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| 16:07.56 | torrr | interfaces, ok |
| 16:09.30 | stoned | modem |
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| 16:10.59 | smimp | xset m 500 100 |
| 16:11.05 | smimp | oops |
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| 16:11.50 | smimp | xset isnt working actually at all, and i can't cat any of the dev/input/mice or mouse info |
| 16:13.11 | thelostbutler | hello folks can any one explain why there is kernel development on 4 different trees. 2.6.16.x 2.6.18.x 2.6.19.x 2.6.2x ? or atleast point to an explanation ? |
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| 16:14.06 | Rydekull | thelostbutler: i'd guess it's because the new way of kernel development goes so much quicker so that they move on quite quickly |
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| 16:14.52 | concept10 | thelostbutler, its because certain people like certain trees |
| 16:14.55 | h3sp4wn | torrr: any of the .x releases are only bugfix releases (except 2.6.16 that gets some new hardware support) |
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| 16:15.00 | CBG | using an intel imac to partition my external HD within debian's installation, getting an error when trying to create an ext3 partition, should I use some other file system? |
| 16:15.02 | Jocke | Is there someone here having problem installing tzdata?: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/tzdata |
| 16:15.03 | h3sp4wn | thelostbutler: ^^ |
| 16:15.04 | outime | Hi guys |
| 16:15.38 | thelostbutler | i was puzzled as to why 2.6.16.x was considered as a stable tree and bug fixes keep appearing to that tree |
| 16:15.42 | outime | I want to have KDE 3.5.6 [kde-core] installed on my Etch, I added experimental repos but can't get it. |
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| 16:16.33 | cr3 | is there a way for rsync to report whether the local and remote files differ? I tried looking at the return value, $?, but it's always 0 |
| 16:16.41 | thelostbutler | Rydekull, h3sp4wn concept10: thank you |
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| 16:18.50 | outime | I want KDE 3.5.6 :( |
| 16:19.03 | RichiH | i got it |
| 16:19.07 | RichiH | i can send you the .debs |
| 16:19.16 | outime | RichiH: how do you get it? |
| 16:19.29 | craigevil | outime: you have to tell apt/aptitude/synaptic to install from experimental |
| 16:19.42 | outime | I use apt, how? |
| 16:19.51 | craigevil | apt-get install kde-core/experimental |
| 16:20.05 | RichiH | outime: argh, 3.5.5 |
| 16:20.06 | RichiH | sorry |
| 16:20.15 | outime | with /experimental, give me a sec |
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| 16:20.20 | tarzeau | i wonder if anyone needs pyraf or stsdas? |
| 16:20.35 | archville | can that be done for latest gnome instead of 2.14.3 ? |
| 16:20.46 | outime | E: No se encontró la Distribución 'experimental' para 'kde-core' |
| 16:20.49 | tarzeau | hey RichiH! |
| 16:20.52 | outime | (Spanish, yeah) |
| 16:21.03 | outime | not found, craigevil |
| 16:21.09 | craigevil | outime: do you have experimental uncommented in your sources.list? |
| 16:21.10 | RichiH | tarzeau: oi |
| 16:21.15 | outime | yeah |
| 16:21.22 | outime | and I was doing apt-get update |
| 16:21.53 | outime | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main contrib -> I got this |
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| 16:23.25 | craigevil | outime: try using deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free |
| 16:23.40 | abrotman | if you can't get to experimental on your own .. don't use it |
| 16:23.56 | craigevil | take out the .../project/ part |
| 16:23.59 | outime | craigevil: ok, wait. |
| 16:24.00 | Rydekull | abrotman: sounded like a reasonable suggestion :) |
| 16:24.24 | Ind[y] | I downloaded and burned debian-etch-i386-kde, and I booted in order to install. Everything wen well, partitioning, base system installation, etc, root password creation, new user creationg, mirror selection. But when it tried to do "Installing Software" it reached 5%, said "Running Taskel" and then said Please Waiting... and tuck at 5% for 3 hours. Any help please? |
| 16:24.39 | tarzeau | RichiH: have you met other #debian people at fosdem? |
| 16:24.42 | abrotman | Ind[y]: use a daily |
| 16:25.00 | Ind[y] | abrotman: daily? |
| 16:25.07 | CBG | Me again... (still) Installing sarge from netinst cd on external HD through my intel imac. The installer wants to install "GRUB" and says it cant find another OS - which would be true, my only other OS, tiger, is on the internal HD. Do I want GRUB or not? Could it make OS X unbootable? |
| 16:25.12 | abrotman | Ind[y]: do you have broadband ? |
| 16:25.25 | Ind[y] | abrotman: yes |
| 16:25.31 | tarzeau | CBG: did you use that bootcamp thingy? |
| 16:25.40 | abrotman | Ind[y]: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. get a daily netinst |
| 16:25.41 | RichiH | tarzeau: no, most of them told me they are only in the obscure dev channels |
| 16:25.46 | abrotman | Ind[y]: about 140MB or so |
| 16:25.55 | RichiH | tarzeau: next time, i will wallop that staff will be present there |
| 16:25.56 | CBG | tarzeau: nope. |
| 16:25.58 | tarzeau | CBG: i've installed grub on this mac mini, but i don't remember if it was into the mbr or the partition (probably just partition) |
| 16:26.02 | abrotman | hrmph .. RichiH didn't even wave to me |
| 16:26.03 | RichiH | tarzeau: so people know about it |
| 16:26.09 | Ind[y] | abrotman: ok. thanks :) |
| 16:26.15 | RichiH | abrotman: you were at fosdem? |
| 16:26.16 | outime | craigevil: again the same |
| 16:26.23 | tarzeau | RichiH: no he wasn't |
| 16:26.26 | abrotman | RichiH: no .. but you could have waved in my direction! |
| 16:26.33 | Rydekull | :D |
| 16:26.44 | abrotman | snake charmer! |
| 16:27.12 | Ind[y] | abrotman: provides a somewhat grafical installer? |
| 16:27.28 | Ind[y] | abrotman: or I have to act like installing Gentoo or something? |
| 16:27.28 | outime | craigevil: another way? |
| 16:27.31 | CBG | what does grub do? do I _need_ it ? |
| 16:27.32 | abrotman | Ind[y]: it can if you ask it to .. but it's the same process with GUI or without .. and it works just as well |
| 16:27.37 | abrotman | !ig |
| 16:27.37 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4). |
| 16:27.39 | Ind[y] | does it provide dedault software? eg kde? |
| 16:28.03 | krazykit | if you tell it to. |
| 16:28.09 | abrotman | Ind[y]: when the install is done .. you would just `aptitude install kde` |
| 16:28.11 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 16:28.11 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 16:29.17 | opc0de | hey can anyone tell me why: "freesbie@FreeSBIE][~]> sudo dd if=/dev/ad8 bs=64k | dd of=/dev/ad10 bs=64k" is giving me: "dd: /dev/ad10: Permission denied" ? |
| 16:29.17 | abrotman | opc0de: you're not root ? |
| 16:29.18 | opc0de | abrotman: there's a sudo there |
| 16:29.18 | krazykit | er, why are you piping it? |
| 16:29.18 | Rydekull | opc0de: not in the second one |
| 16:29.18 | opc0de | oh shit, no sudo on the second dd |
| 16:29.18 | abrotman | you piped it . |
| 16:29.18 | opc0de | fuck, I'm an idiot ;) |
| 16:29.18 | opc0de | thanks guys |
| 16:29.18 | Rydekull | yes |
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| 16:29.26 | krazykit | cuz you can do dd if=blah of=blah2 |
| 16:29.28 | Rydekull | Using freesbie and not debian, hard not to agree :) |
| 16:29.47 | opc0de | Rydekull: heh, I thought I was in #freebsd when I wrote that msg ;) |
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| 16:29.55 | opc0de | but you guys still solved it anyways |
| 16:29.57 | outime | Anyone know another way to get KDE 3.5.6? |
| 16:30.01 | bzed | !lart opc0de |
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| 16:30.03 | Rydekull | opc0de: sometimes we are nice |
| 16:30.36 | Rydekull | outime: compiling it |
| 16:30.39 | bzed | outime: install it from unstable if you really really want. or just stay with testing and wait |
| 16:31.06 | CBG | If I install grub with debian, on my external HD, it should not affect my OS X install on my internal HD in any way, right? |
| 16:31.06 | outime | bzed: is safe? |
| 16:31.19 | bzed | outime: well. unstable is called unstable for a reason |
| 16:31.26 | krazykit | CBG, as long as you install grub to the external HD |
| 16:31.29 | bzed | outime: it may be unstable, or not |
| 16:31.49 | outime | yep |
| 16:31.56 | outime | Well, maybe I can wait |
| 16:32.04 | CBG | krazykit: I told debian to install there and am still going through the debian installation process, I would assume it would do that ..? |
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| 16:32.30 | krazykit | CBG, i'd swear it prompts you where to install grub, but it's been awhile since i've had to install |
| 16:32.48 | Rydekull | CBG: this is debian and not OSX or Windows :) It rather have you confirm what it's supposed to do so it gets the way you want it |
| 16:32.51 | krazykit | CBG, worst case, i'm sure you can fix the MBR with your osx disc |
| 16:32.54 | CBG | krazykit: ok, thanks |
| 16:33.08 | CBG | hmm, didn't ask, but I assume it will be ok. :) |
| 16:33.16 | CBG | thanks guys |
| 16:34.56 | CBG | after the install cd was ejected, the imac restarted into OS X, so seems ok. now I should eb able to set it to boot from the debian install. |
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| 16:35.43 | tarzeau | CBG: i think there's a key/mouse trick , press ctrl for menu |
| 16:35.45 | tarzeau | CBG: while it boots |
| 16:35.50 | CBG | uh, OS X doesn't recognise the debian drive. |
| 16:35.54 | CBG | tarzeau: ah, k, thanks |
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| 16:36.24 | torrr | if I ping google.com it works and I get its IP. If I try to telnet google.com 80 it gets stuck saying : trying 1.0.0.0 . If I telnet the IP I got from ping, it works. ??? I don;t understand it??? |
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| 16:37.59 | RichiH | torrr: random bug on your side, i fear |
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| 16:38.31 | stew | torrr: what does "getent hosts google.com" say? it should return 3 ips, a 72.x.x.x and two 64.x.x.x |
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| 16:39.46 | Rydekull | stew: when did "hosts google.com" become a bad command? :) |
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| 16:40.25 | stew | Rydekull: its a fine command. it ignores /etc/hosts though |
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| 16:40.55 | Rydekull | stew: ahh, That's the difference, well that's good to know :) |
| 16:41.18 | torrr | stew: 1.0.0.0 google.co |
| 16:41.22 | torrr | m |
| 16:41.35 | stew | Rydekull: it uses whatever is in /etc/nsswitch.conf which is what gethostbyname(3) well get its results via |
| 16:41.47 | stew | torrr: so you have a dns problem |
| 16:42.00 | stew | torrr: does "host google.com" give different results? |
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| 16:43.09 | ^Ocean^ | is there a way to get the Ctrl+alt +/- to change my video resolution like it used too ? |
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| 16:43.10 | tarzeau | ^Ocean^: doesn't work? xvidtune -next ? |
| 16:43.12 | torrr | stew: 'host google.com' bring serveral IPs and a few smtp's |
| 16:43.24 | stew | torrr: does google.com appear in /etc/hosts? |
| 16:43.36 | ^Ocean^ | tarzeau, that works.. i just dont seem to have the keybord shortcut for it anymore |
| 16:43.37 | Rydekull | stew: how much are we betting that it does? :P |
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| 16:44.31 | stew | Rydekull: it's looking that way |
| 16:44.44 | tarzeau | ^Ocean^: dunno |
| 16:44.59 | petemc | i mentioned this to torrr earlier, ive seen crappy adsl routers that give out that address for all dns queries |
| 16:45.02 | torrr | stew: No, google is'nt on /etc/hosts |
| 16:45.06 | Rydekull | stew: sure does, I usually just looks "host <domain>" then check /etc/hosts myself :) |
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| 16:45.44 | stew | hmm |
| 16:45.52 | stew | torrr: what does "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf" return? |
| 16:46.12 | petemc | torrr: http://hellewell.homeip.net/phillip/blogs/index.php?entry=entry060319-000000 |
| 16:46.18 | stew | torrr: when you ran "host google.com" you said you got several ips back, were any of them 1.0.0.0? |
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| 16:48.44 | torrr | stew: I found I put my adsl router/modem in resolv.conf by petemc comment, so I removed it from resolv.conf, and now getent return three IPs and I got to surf |
| 16:49.10 | torrr | thanks stew and petemc |
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| 16:51.04 | torrr | I also had once seen my resolv.conf overwriten and it had a comment line in its head saying that NetworkManager wrote it, and not to overwrite this file |
| 16:51.15 | maddash | is there a standard way to specify an RGB hex combo in X? |
| 16:52.43 | Rydekull | torrr: then you know who the culprit is |
| 16:53.06 | Rydekull | torrr: isnt it great to edit the files by hand instead of being locked in something that fools you |
| 16:54.03 | torrr | Rydekull, sure, it is better, but I worry that this NetworkManager may still overwrite what I wrote |
| 16:54.31 | cwheeler | athlon cpus like the k-7 kernel correct? |
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| 16:54.49 | petemc | torrr: one (heavy handed) way to fix that would be chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:54.59 | torrr | Rydekull, I have to find what is this NetworkManager, by the way in ubuntu it just overwritten resolv.conf without me knowing what it was |
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| 16:55.50 | Rydekull | torrr: I'd say it's the Gnome-thingie you used to set the networksettings |
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| 16:56.32 | torrr | Rydekull, when I did reboot NetworkManager was in the services it shuts down |
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| 16:59.07 | stew | i'm going to have to check out this networkmanager thing sometime. its causing enough good and bad vibes that it must be doing something interesting |
| 17:00.14 | torrr | stew: I think I have trashed ubuntu over it |
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| 17:00.36 | maddash | omg apt-get is a script |
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| 17:00.59 | maddash | and aptitude too |
| 17:01.03 | stew | maddash: say what? |
| 17:01.14 | Rydekull | maddash: err, no? |
| 17:01.19 | JRamirez34643 | debian have squid... or any similar? |
| 17:01.26 | Rydekull | JRamirez34643: course it has |
| 17:01.27 | h3sp4wn | JRamirez34643: It has squid |
| 17:01.36 | maddash | stew: set|grep aptitude |
| 17:01.43 | nangruto | Rydekull, apt-cache search squid |
| 17:01.55 | JRamirez34643 | thanks |
| 17:02.04 | stew | maddash: returns nothing |
| 17:02.10 | Rydekull | maddash: agrees with stew |
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| 17:02.14 | maddash | stew: uh |
| 17:02.25 | krazykit | maddash, uh, something's wrong if your apt is a script... |
| 17:02.29 | Rydekull | nangruto: squid - Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache) |
| 17:03.05 | JRamirez34643 | I want to put my favorite images like salvapantallas in gnome. there is an option that does but not where there is to put the images |
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| 17:03.13 | dav_ | elo |
| 17:03.20 | dav_ | is there some DNS geeks here :) |
| 17:03.28 | chops | !ask |
| 17:03.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:03.39 | dav_ | :) |
| 17:03.48 | maddash | krazykit: not apt. apt-get. and aptitude. dd. grep. etc etc. |
| 17:04.05 | krazykit | maddash, less `which apt-get` |
| 17:04.13 | krazykit | /usr/bin/apt-get" may be a binary file. |
| 17:04.20 | Rydekull | maddash: file `which apt-get` |
| 17:04.22 | krazykit | it's not a script. |
| 17:04.34 | torrr | NetworkManager is a service by gnome supposed to make networking easier... if only it had a log |
| 17:04.39 | dav_ | ok:my problem is that: i have a domain name that is working ok, and i m trying to make an under zone managed by the DNS of my box (what is a dynamic IP adress) |
| 17:04.58 | dav_ | dav_, it works in local but not remotely |
| 17:05.39 | stew | maddash: what is making you say all of this? |
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| 17:05.57 | maddash | Rydekull, krazykit, stew: i admit that i was just being dramatic (yes, i know that apt-get is /usr/bin/apt-get), but seeing this is like watching "attack of the clones." |
| 17:06.00 | maddash | http://pastebin.ca/377288 |
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| 17:06.20 | krazykit | maddash, it makes you want to tear your eyes out? |
| 17:06.41 | maddash | krazykit: haha. note the lower case, though.. |
| 17:06.50 | stew | maddash: that is /etc/bash_completion? |
| 17:06.56 | stew | or what? |
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| 17:07.33 | Rydekull | stew: sure looks like it |
| 17:07.47 | maddash | stew: it looks like it. probably what gives my <tab> its superpowers. |
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| 17:09.26 | maddash | stew, Rydekull: are you guys using bash? |
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| 17:09.52 | maddash | stew, Rydekull: looks like the script that generates this stuff is included in package "bash" |
| 17:10.25 | krazykit | yes... |
| 17:10.36 | krazykit | completion is nifty :-D |
| 17:10.46 | krazykit | zsh-completion is better, imo |
| 17:11.05 | Rydekull | maddash: yes, I use bash |
| 17:11.20 | Rydekull | maddash: and bash_completion has been in it for some time now |
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| 17:11.38 | torrr | jl |
| 17:11.46 | maddash | Rydekull: then it's odd that set|grep aptitude didn't return anything on your end |
| 17:12.00 | maddash | krazykit: how is it better? |
| 17:12.05 | Rydekull | maddash: Nah |
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| 17:12.11 | krazykit | at least with filename completion |
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| 17:12.18 | krazykit | bash dumps a list and puts you below it. |
| 17:12.24 | krazykit | zsh redraws the list below the prompt |
| 17:12.29 | Rydekull | maddash: #if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then |
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| 17:14.22 | ft | maddash: 'better' is very subjective, yet, zsh's comletion is much more flexible and configurable than bash's. if you're happy with bash, and don't want to mes with zsh, there no need to argue. |
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| 17:14.58 | maddash | ft: not arguing. asking before considering the switch. |
| 17:15.13 | krazykit | if you install zsh |
| 17:15.23 | krazykit | just open a terminal and run zsh, and play with it :-P |
| 17:15.43 | ft | maddash: if you got a few minutes to play, just give it a go. |
| 17:16.10 | ft | maddash: <http://zshwiki.org/home/examples/compquickstart> |
| 17:16.19 | Rydekull | wg dpkg |
| 17:16.21 | Rydekull | baa |
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| 17:19.47 | maddash | krazykit: whoa. zsh is better. it actually completes your line when autocompleting, not just dumping a list of possibilities |
| 17:20.20 | krazykit | <3 zsh |
| 17:20.49 | ft | maddash: some of that is possible with bash as well. but not all of it. |
| 17:21.02 | dav_ | there is something i don't understand if i want to create an under zone is it possible to make it point to a different DNS server by example mine with a dynamic adress no ???? |
| 17:21.04 | maddash | man bash |
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| 17:21.16 | maddash | man bash|grep -i complete |
| 17:21.27 | maddash | oops |
| 17:21.48 | junix|work | has anyone compiled gcomm b4? i am having some issues getting it to work properly |
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| 17:22.46 | ft | maddash: but zsh can be complex. zsh manual pages about compsys got more lines than all of 'man bash'. |
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| 17:24.15 | justin | maddash: . /etc/bash_completion |
| 17:24.22 | h3sp4wn | Its very quick the zsh autocomplete stuff if you use use-cache 1 |
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| 17:25.00 | maddash | h3sp4wn: cache means more memory - not a good thing for me |
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| 17:25.27 | ft | h3sp4wn: only very few completion widgets actually use caching. |
| 17:25.35 | maddash | justin: /etc/bash_completion doesn't exist here |
| 17:25.42 | earthian | is there any way to print a text file into a PDF ? |
| 17:25.49 | earthian | or to print a webpage or etc ? |
| 17:26.08 | krazykit | earthian, a couple ways. a good one is to use cups-pdf and just print to that |
| 17:26.16 | earthian | ok thanks |
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| 17:26.45 | maddash | h3xis: back from class already? |
| 17:26.59 | h3xis | maddash, more like i just woke up |
| 17:27.08 | h3xis | i dont have class until 4.30 |
| 17:27.19 | h3sp4wn | ft: The ones I did notice that were slow - are now ok after changing that option |
| 17:27.43 | maddash | h3xis: that's so bad-ass |
| 17:27.58 | h3xis | maddash, yeah i only have one class on thursdays |
| 17:28.53 | justin | maddash: what debian release are you running? |
| 17:29.06 | maddash | justin: etch |
| 17:29.18 | justin | !+find /base_completion etch |
| 17:29.19 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 17:29.19 | justin | er |
| 17:29.22 | justin | !+find /bash_completion etch |
| 17:29.24 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 17:29.33 | ft | h3sp4wn: afaik _rpm, _yum, _fink, _apt and _bogofilter use it. |
| 17:29.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/bash_completion' (7 of 52): (/etc/bash_completion) in shells/bash ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/nmh) in mail/nmh ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/mpc) in sound/mpc ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/bins) in web/bins ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/pon) in admin/ppp ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/mtx) in admin/mtx ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/epix) in tex/epix1. |
| 17:30.07 | maddash | that's odd |
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| 17:30.35 | ft | h3sp4wn: I'm only using _apt of these and for that case use-cache is really useful. |
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| 17:32.01 | maddash | brb some idiot is ping-of-death-ing me again |
| 17:32.54 | CBG | tarzeau: still see no way to boot from the external, the mac basically just does not recognise that the external is bootable at all. :( |
| 17:33.12 | h3sp4wn | ft: For me the make completion speed improved significantly after changing some option or another I thought it was that one (very large build system) |
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| 17:38.03 | ft | h3sp4wn: i'd guess for use-perl. |
| 17:38.18 | ft | I don't think _make uses caching. |
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| 17:39.54 | BrianSteffens | What am I forgetting here? I have MySQL installed on my debian etch server and set to accept from my main machine on port 3306. I have set up iptables to accept port 3306. But port scanning my server still shows port 3306 closed. |
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| 17:40.46 | dkr | BrianSteffens: listening on external interface may be disabled by default, check my.cnf for ip to bind to, or skip-networking option |
| 17:41.49 | dkr | # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on |
| 17:41.50 | dkr | # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
| 17:41.50 | dkr | bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:41.57 | BrianSteffens | dkr: ok there is no skip-networking but i see that bind-address part |
| 17:42.18 | BrianSteffens | dkr: should i change it to bind to its eth0 hi address on the lan? |
| 17:42.28 | dkr | just use 0.0.0.0 |
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| 17:42.38 | cwheeler | how do I list the packages installed on my system? |
| 17:42.40 | dkr | so you can suse localhsot or external ip |
| 17:42.47 | BrianSteffens | :D |
| 17:42.55 | dkr | cwheeler: dpkg -l |
| 17:43.03 | cwheeler | thanks dkr |
| 17:43.05 | BrianSteffens | dkr: yay i love you it works lol |
| 17:43.10 | stew | BrianSteffens: "aptitude search \~i" or "dpkg -l | grep ^i" |
| 17:43.14 | stew | err |
| 17:43.16 | stew | BrianSteffens: "aptitude search \~i" or "dpkg -l | grep ^.i" |
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| 17:49.52 | archville | how to make the boot process silent ? (no messages on what is loading or at least an option to hide them) |
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| 17:50.08 | Edward_TLS | guys.. i got tcp_max_syn_backlog = 2048 but if I look via netstat I don't get more then 256 in the backlog |
| 17:50.17 | Atomy | hi i got a problem with my server it is not booting anymore says touch: cannot touch `/etc/resolv.conf': No such file or directory |
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| 17:50.46 | Atomy | but /etc/resolv.conf exists |
| 17:50.52 | stoned | why is revolv.conf trying to be touched on boot time |
| 17:50.52 | torrrrrrr | Hi again |
| 17:50.53 | stoned | what did you do? |
| 17:50.57 | abrotman | damog: why not -ot ? |
| 17:51.06 | stoned | hey |
| 17:51.14 | stoned | abrotman: I got something for ya. |
| 17:51.32 | Atomy | stoned: it is virtual server and i only can view boot log and boot fails with this error |
| 17:51.34 | stew | archville: you can do something like appending "CONSOLE=/dev/tty2" to the kernel command line to make all messages go to another vt, or you could install a bootsplash such as splashy |
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| 17:51.44 | torrrrrrr | I tried to install an SMP kernel with synaptic, I installed it but I can't find where it put it, it only tells me about files in .../share/doc |
| 17:51.55 | torrrrrrr | it also didn't add anything to grub |
| 17:52.34 | Atomy | http://rafb.net/p/VkbNXl68.html |
| 17:52.39 | Atomy | thats the output i see |
| 17:52.39 | cusco | thats probably because its the same kernel |
| 17:52.40 | archville | stew, i was thinking about de splash thing, but i read there was a lot of options, like splashy, bootsplash and usplash and dunno what one to follow or what is easier |
| 17:53.12 | stew | archville: not bootsplash, since it requires patching the kernel. splashy and (afaik) usplash, being userspace, should be much easier to setup |
| 17:53.32 | stew | (not that I have setup any kind of bootsplash in many years) |
| 17:53.36 | torrrrrrr | anyone knows how to install smp kernel for dual core? |
| 17:53.42 | archville | Mmm, i'll take a look at the usplash docs, thanks. |
| 17:53.45 | stew | torrrrrrr: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:53.53 | torrrrrrr | etch |
| 17:53.55 | stoned | why use an smp kernel for dual core? |
| 17:54.04 | stew | torrrrrrr: all of the etch kernels are SMP |
| 17:54.12 | stoned | oh hmm |
| 17:54.13 | stew | stoned: so that you can use both cores |
| 17:54.15 | archville | I was looking for something like the "quiet" option at the ubuntu grub. |
| 17:54.19 | Kevin` | stoned so you can run more then once process at once? |
| 17:54.21 | stoned | stew: well yes, but isn't it a given |
| 17:54.22 | torrrrrrr | stoned: Thats the right kernel for dual core |
| 17:54.26 | Kevin` | dual core IS two processing cores |
| 17:54.33 | Kevin` | you need smp to make use of it |
| 17:54.40 | stoned | stew: I am on core 2 duo cpu and I have a regular 686 kernel |
| 17:54.49 | bzed | lol |
| 17:54.56 | stew | stoned: which is an SMP kernel if its >= 2.6.17 and from debian |
| 17:54.59 | Atomy | stoned can u help me with that? :( |
| 17:55.01 | cusco | probably is smp |
| 17:55.09 | stoned | Atomy: probably not |
| 17:55.13 | Kevin` | stoned if you don't have an smp kernel, your not using the processor fully |
| 17:55.19 | torrrrrrr | stew: No, in ubuntu I installed smp kernel, and then the system monitor had two cpu monitors. Now in debian I have only one cpu monitor graph. So it isn't SMP by default |
| 17:55.21 | stew | grep CONFIG_SMP /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:55.25 | stoned | stew: ok, I'm on .18-4 |
| 17:55.32 | stew | torrrrrrr: run this: grep CONFIG_SMP /boot/config-(uname -r) |
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| 17:55.48 | stew | torrrrrrr: if you get "CONFIG_SMP=y" you are using an SMP kernel |
| 17:55.49 | stoned | well htop gives me two cores so I'm good |
| 17:55.54 | SJr|Work | Anyone know what the main CVS channel is? It doesn't seem to be #cvs@freenode |
| 17:56.05 | stew | torrrrrrr: what system monitor are you looking at? |
| 17:56.05 | cusco | you missed the $(uname |
| 17:56.19 | stew | oh, yeah, that's my silly non-posix shell |
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| 17:56.25 | stew | torrrrrrr: run this: grep CONFIG_SMP /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:56.26 | torrrrrrr | stew: the gnome's system monitor |
| 17:58.00 | torrrrrrr | stew: I installed from netinst btw |
| 17:58.00 | atoponce | any plans to put pythonmagick in the repo? |
| 17:58.00 | stew | torrrrrrr: what is the output of the second grep command i sent you? |
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| 17:58.00 | elshaa | how can I see the process using a certain file ? |
| 17:58.00 | stoned | I had figured SMP kernels would be for machines running two seperate processors and the kernel has to communicate between them somehow I guess. I figured dual core isn't true SMP, but I guess it is |
| 17:58.01 | stew | elshaa: fuser filename |
| 17:58.01 | stoned | whatever I guess |
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| 17:58.01 | rpc | does anyone know what might be causing problems with vsftpd? i can't upload anything to the home dir |
| 17:58.06 | rpc | timeouts |
| 17:58.30 | cusco | port 21 open? |
| 17:58.36 | cusco | and 20 |
| 17:58.39 | cusco | I meant 20 |
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| 17:58.44 | rpc | i use custom port and yes, they are open |
| 17:58.57 | bzed | !tell atoponce about wnpp |
| 17:59.03 | rpc | and it was all good for weeks, out of the blue i can't upload anymore |
| 17:59.07 | archville | Is mkisofs /dir/ > file.iso reliable for backups ? |
| 17:59.13 | elshaa | stew: Actually, it's a directory. But I tried fuser -n file /my/dir/, and it just returns "/my/dir/:" |
| 17:59.16 | rpc | can delete and create dirs but no uploading of files |
| 17:59.20 | bzed | atoponce: also python-imaging will probably work for you, depending on what you want to do |
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| 17:59.39 | stew | elshaa: there is also lsof |
| 17:59.48 | elshaa | ah right, lsof |
| 17:59.49 | elshaa | thanks |
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| 18:00.34 | torrrrrrr | stew: You are right again. It have smp=y, and also the monitor have two CPU, just on the same single graph. I missed that since both use the same color and the usage is low |
| 18:00.36 | Ronin | rpc: vstpd log files? |
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| 18:01.15 | rpc | Ronin hmm |
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| 18:02.09 | rpc | nothing wrong at all |
| 18:02.27 | rpc | it looks like it worked like a charm while it does not, it freezes right after file create |
| 18:02.39 | tarzeau | CBG: did you use bootcamp? |
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| 18:04.30 | queuetue | Where do I set the default route? (Other than doing it manually, or in a custom startup script.) |
| 18:05.27 | h3sp4wn | queuetue: gateway in /etc/network/interfaces - gateway 172.16.0.1 etc |
| 18:06.15 | queuetue | h3sp4wn: Gateway is a per-interface option, though, isn't it? I've got two interfaces and want one to be "king". |
| 18:06.15 | bzed | !tell queuetue about interfaces |
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| 18:06.46 | bzed | queuetue: king!? |
| 18:06.47 | atoponce | bzed: yeah. it's not. i'm using gnuplot to generate an svg, and pil complains about the file itself. |
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| 18:07.11 | atoponce | probably some bad data in the svg from gnuplot, although gimg and other apps don't seem to be bothered by it |
| 18:07.27 | bzed | atoponce: how do you call gnuplot? from py? |
| 18:07.30 | cwheeler | a gold star to debian for making auto complere work on remote machines with scp! |
| 18:08.03 | bzed | cwheeler: that's just bash completion... |
| 18:08.24 | atoponce | bzed: install the python-gnuplot package, and 'import Gnuplot' |
| 18:08.26 | cwheeler | hmmm didn't work on other systems |
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| 18:08.39 | cwheeler | on the remote machine |
| 18:08.52 | h3sp4wn | queuetue: You want multiple gateways and different weights ? |
| 18:09.02 | atoponce | s/gimg/gimp/ |
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| 18:10.39 | h3sp4wn | queuetue: Anything more complicated you need to do from pre-up or post-up |
| 18:10.42 | bzed | atoponce: ah ok.... well.. pil doesn't support svg as it seems. do you _need_ svg? |
| 18:11.13 | atoponce | bzed: but it does. it supports svg just fine, just not the svg that gnuplot puts out. |
| 18:11.29 | atoponce | bzed: rsvg does, but there isn't a python module for it |
| 18:12.00 | atoponce | bzed: so, pythonmagick is my next choice, if only i could find a .deb, rather than compile from source |
| 18:12.21 | bzed | atoponce: not on the list. though http://www.pythonware.com/library/pil/handbook/ |
| 18:12.33 | atoponce | but that's okay. i didn't come to complain, just to wonder if it was being worked on or packed or whatnot |
| 18:12.40 | queuetue | h3sp4wn: I just want all outgoing traffic to use eth1... |
| 18:12.46 | atoponce | bzed: yeah. that handbook is a bit out of date |
| 18:12.49 | torrrrrrr | I am trying to install sshd, so I found the server in synaptic, and the problem is that it want to get it from my netinst CD, and say insert disk labled so, but my disk is labeled otherway |
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| 18:13.05 | atoponce | i *can* modify a normal svg with pil just fine |
| 18:13.13 | torrrrrrr | so it don't accept my cd |
| 18:13.21 | atoponce | convert to png, resize, etc. no issues |
| 18:13.37 | atoponce | just doesn't like gnuplot's svg |
| 18:13.38 | torrrrrrr | can I force it to download it, its only ~500KB anyway |
| 18:14.06 | bzed | atoponce: if you just want to add something to it - it should be possible py using xml as in http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/325823 |
| 18:14.07 | torrrrrrr | can I use the command line? how do I use this dpkg? |
| 18:14.54 | abrotman | fix your sources |
| 18:15.24 | stew | torrrrrrr: man sources.list ; sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:15.31 | valdyn | queuetue: routeing is not done by interface, gateways are not per interface |
| 18:16.08 | torrrrrrr | stew: ok |
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| 18:16.17 | alex___ | hi I wonder is xara a freesoftware ? on the xara website there is a price for it ? |
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| 18:16.52 | bzed | alex___: xara lx is under some open source lives, but it is in non-free as far as I remember |
| 18:16.58 | bzed | alexIdoia: ^^ |
| 18:17.03 | alexIdoia | thanks |
| 18:17.07 | bzed | alexIdoia: the windows version is not for free. |
| 18:17.14 | dkr | alexIdoia: is it raining outside? |
| 18:17.17 | bzed | alexIdoia: also have a look into inkscape |
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| 18:17.25 | alexIdoia | dkr ? |
| 18:17.41 | alexIdoia | bzed: yes I know inkscape I was just wandering thanks |
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| 18:17.50 | alexIdoia | dkr: cloudy |
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| 18:17.58 | karmatro1ic | hi there |
| 18:18.00 | dkr | alexIdoia: wouldn't i tbe easier to look a the website to see if there is a price listed tahnt o ask us what the website says? |
| 18:18.26 | alexIdoia | dkr: thats is not my question |
| 18:18.37 | abrotman | alexIdoia: there are two versions |
| 18:19.04 | alexIdoia | dkr: I have heard about xara as being a freesoftware and some can even apt-get it so I was condused |
| 18:19.06 | abrotman | !info xarax sid |
| 18:19.06 | dkr | alexIdoia: assuming you changed your nick from alex___, then that was percisely your question. :) "on the xara website there is a price for it ?" |
| 18:19.10 | abrotman | !info xara;x sid |
| 18:19.12 | abrotman | !info xaralx sid |
| 18:19.14 | dpkg | xaralx: (Heavyweight vector graphics, illustration and DTP Program), section non-free/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.7r1692-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4783 kB, Installed size: 11820 kB |
| 18:19.15 | abrotman | there we go :) |
| 18:19.37 | archville | !info nvu etch |
| 18:19.46 | kalila | is there a channel for X11 related stuff |
| 18:19.47 | archville | :\ |
| 18:20.08 | abrotman | kalila: a few |
| 18:20.09 | stew | kalila: what version of X? |
| 18:20.14 | rahul | stew: 11 |
| 18:20.14 | abrotman | archville: it's been abandoned |
| 18:20.17 | kalila | X11 7.1 I think |
| 18:20.19 | kalila | let me look |
| 18:20.19 | rahul | duh :) |
| 18:20.21 | stew | kalila: #xorg |
| 18:20.36 | archville | abrotman, uhmm, are there alternatives ? (for Gnome, besides Screem) |
| 18:20.42 | alexIdoia | abrotman: ok althought it does not seem right, I don't want to learn or use a software that has a non-free version, in that cases nothing will assure me that they will ever carry on its development if their non-free version becomes an economic success |
| 18:20.43 | abrotman | archville: ogh .. i guess not |
| 18:20.46 | SDBolts21n56 | has anyone used moodle to learn linux, if so did you like it? |
| 18:20.52 | archville | Ok, thanks anyway |
| 18:20.54 | abrotman | archville: it's still active .. nvu.com |
| 18:20.57 | abrotman | archville: bluefish |
| 18:21.06 | karmatro1ic | SDBolts21n56: moodle? |
| 18:21.08 | archville | Mmm, bluefish, worth to take a look |
| 18:21.10 | SDBolts21n56 | Or has anyone heard anything about moodle? |
| 18:21.21 | abrotman | alexIdoia: it's debian non-free .. read the license to see what is non-free about it .. i think it's a few libraries |
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| 18:21.33 | SDBolts21n56 | karmatro1ic, ya, http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/moodle/ |
| 18:21.43 | phantom_ | how is the best way to share DVD iso images in a local net? |
| 18:22.00 | phantom_ | with CDs I just left them on the apache, but it can't handle files bigger then 2Gb |
| 18:22.17 | valdyn | phantom_: you're using sarge? |
| 18:22.36 | phantom_ | valdyn: I have a mix of sarge with some testing |
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| 18:22.48 | valdyn | phantom_: evil.. |
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| 18:23.04 | valdyn | phantom_: apache or apache2? |
| 18:23.06 | phantom_ | but I want something generic, for any linux (or modern linux) |
| 18:23.11 | sidjster | how is beryl going to work with 9800 pro? |
| 18:23.15 | phantom_ | valdyn: apache 2 |
| 18:23.17 | valdyn | sidjster: fine |
| 18:23.20 | sidjster | ty |
| 18:23.31 | phantom_ | valdyn: not sure if it's 2.0 or 2.2 |
| 18:23.35 | valdyn | sidjster: err, assuming the free radeon driver supports it, the speed of that card is fine |
| 18:23.51 | valdyn | phantom_: testing's apache2 supports large files |
| 18:23.54 | elshaa | does someone knows a command line tool to monitor the filesystem I/O ? |
| 18:24.27 | valdyn | phantom_: mixing sarge with testing is just ugly, why not upgrade the whole system? |
| 18:24.29 | alexIdoia | abrotman: I see you were talking about bluefish which I like very much, do you know if there exists a external addon for it that allow sftp file transfer ? |
| 18:24.32 | phantom_ | valdyn: anyway, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to load apache with 3 or 4Gb files |
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| 18:25.14 | phantom_ | valdyn: I'm on SPARC and I have issues with Xorg |
| 18:25.22 | valdyn | phantom_: i see |
| 18:26.03 | rpc | does anyone have a clue why vsftpd and proftpd refuses to write a file to disk when uploading? it freezes and timeouts |
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| 18:26.40 | valdyn | phantom_: i would try using apache2, which is trivial. |
| 18:27.30 | valdyn | phantom_: upgrading to testings apache may not be trivial though, if you have yet to do that |
| 18:27.38 | valdyn | s/apache/apache2/ |
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| 18:27.53 | abrotman | alexIdoia: no idea .. never used it myself .. just know it exists |
| 18:28.00 | phantom_ | valdyn: I have the last testing apache |
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| 18:28.24 | bzed | alexIdoia: does it support fish://server |
| 18:28.25 | phantom_ | valdyn: is there any other way to share these BIG files? |
| 18:28.31 | bzed | alexIdoia: never used it, though |
| 18:28.33 | archville | abrotman, thanks, bluefish seems just what i was looking for. |
| 18:28.34 | alexIdoia | abrotman: what do you use for remote file editing ? |
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| 18:28.40 | abrotman | alexIdoia: vi :) |
| 18:28.40 | _Sam-- | is anyone familiar with mrtg? im using it to monitor bandwidth on a few servers. the configuration im using seems to grab ALL bandwidth coming and going. ive tried to figure out how to only have it grab info for one single ip, but i haven't figure that out...anyone know how? |
| 18:28.41 | bzed | phantom_: ftp. or apache2 :) |
| 18:28.42 | alexIdoia | fish://server ? |
| 18:28.43 | valdyn | phantom_: samba ( not sure actually ), ssh, ftp |
| 18:28.52 | phantom_ | Or those the new apache work ok when asking for a 4.5Gb file? |
| 18:29.08 | valdyn | phantom_: your apache2 supports large files |
| 18:29.09 | abrotman | alexIdoia: some people like webdav |
| 18:29.31 | phantom_ | valdyn: ssh means auth, which I don't want to use |
| 18:29.32 | alexIdoia | abrotman: yeah I use vi as well but am not good enough to it |
| 18:29.42 | bzed | alexIdoia: some programs support that as url, but I've never used bluefish - so no clue |
| 18:29.52 | valdyn | phantom_: yea, i guesed that, and ftp is another server to maintain.. |
| 18:29.54 | phantom_ | valdyn: I more worried about performace then if it supports or not |
| 18:29.54 | abrotman | alexIdoia: there are other text editors |
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| 18:30.00 | valdyn | phantom_: so try.. |
| 18:30.10 | phantom_ | ok |
| 18:30.19 | phantom_ | I'll check it out |
| 18:30.20 | rch | Anyone: Is there news on etch installer ? I am unable to d'l full disk sets and can't do netinst ... |
| 18:30.21 | phantom_ | txs |
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| 18:30.30 | alexIdoia | abrotman: well I have tried quite a few and they all seems good but they miss that feature which is very helpful to me |
| 18:30.31 | _Sam-- | abrotman: you know everything. how do i graph/ gather bandwidth info in MRTG for just ONE ip...right now it gets it for all interfaces on the host. |
| 18:30.37 | bzed | phantom_: if you don;t need php use the mpm_event worker and it'll be _fast_ |
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| 18:30.46 | valdyn | rch: you only need the first CD |
| 18:30.58 | abrotman | _Sam--: i would assume there's a filter .. there's a new set of tools called ... 'rrd' i think |
| 18:31.04 | _Sam-- | hah! |
| 18:31.04 | bzed | phantom_: the forking mpm is about the speed of apache1.3 |
| 18:31.13 | abrotman | alexIdoia: what is that feature ? |
| 18:31.17 | _Sam-- | rrd is more of a front end to the mrtg info |
| 18:31.21 | _Sam-- | at least, that was what i had thought. |
| 18:31.25 | abrotman | !mrtg |
| 18:31.25 | dpkg | mrtg is probably old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ |
| 18:31.27 | _Sam-- | first, i need to get the MRTG info. |
| 18:31.27 | rch | valdyn: really? okay, great. thx |
| 18:31.31 | abrotman | ah .. perhaps |
| 18:31.52 | _Sam-- | either way -- that doesnt solve my question, but thank you :) |
| 18:32.03 | _Sam-- | i would use RRD to generate my MRTG graphs on the fly |
| 18:32.04 | phantom_ | bzed: what's mpm? |
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| 18:32.17 | alexIdoia | abrotman: sftp file transfer |
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| 18:32.43 | abrotman | alexIdoia: from windows ? |
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| 18:33.02 | abrotman | alexIdoia: i think KDE stuff can do that with the kio slaves |
| 18:33.04 | alexIdoia | abrotman: what do you mean ? |
| 18:33.18 | bzed | phantom_: apt-cache search apache2-mpm |
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| 18:33.22 | alexIdoia | no on debian |
| 18:33.35 | alexIdoia | abrotman: I come from Mac and I used to using bbedit |
| 18:33.40 | valdyn | phantom_: i don't think that concerns you, unless your serving many requests at once |
| 18:33.41 | abrotman | mac? wtf is a mac ? |
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| 18:33.47 | bzed | phantom_: if you need php you're stuck with the apache2-mpm-prefork though |
| 18:34.08 | penguin | I know this is not exactly Debian question but does anyone know if p180 Antec is a good case? |
| 18:34.09 | abrotman | in etch there are two models IIRC |
| 18:34.15 | abrotman | penguin: try #hardware |
| 18:34.29 | alexIdoia | abrotman: ok right |
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| 18:34.45 | abrotman | alexIdoia: if you use webdav over https .. i don't think you need sftp anymore |
| 18:34.51 | alexIdoia | abrotman: I was just asking, I have moved to debian and I am just trying to get some info |
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| 18:37.13 | alexIdoia | abrotman: is webdav in the sarge sources.list ? |
| 18:37.22 | abrotman | it's an apache tool |
| 18:37.24 | abrotman | !webdav |
| 18:37.24 | dpkg | well, webdav is "Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning". It is a set of extensions to the HTTP protocol which allows users to collaboratively edit and manage files on remote web servers. |
| 18:37.30 | abrotman | who needs a url ... |
| 18:37.38 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=webdav&btnG=Google+Search |
| 18:37.47 | abrotman | alexIdoia: just to learn about it |
| 18:37.52 | alexIdoia | ok |
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| 18:38.43 | alexIdoia | abrotman: also I have not apache administration privilegde on all the server I work with |
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| 18:39.31 | abrotman | alexIdoia: ah .. you'd have to get the admin to set it up |
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| 18:40.04 | alexIdoia | yes |
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| 18:42.30 | rpc | error setting IPV6_V6ONLY: Protocol not available <---how can i get rid of this prob in proftpd? |
| 18:42.48 | rpc | i suspect it blocks my uploads for some mean reason... |
| 18:43.05 | rpc | and no idea why - i have never changed anything, my ftp is just broken today :s |
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| 18:44.26 | minus198 | Hi! Can someone help me get Compiz to work under xfce4 ?! |
| 18:44.41 | minus198 | It works under Gnome, but not under xfce4 |
| 18:44.53 | valdyn | minus198: what's not working under xfce4? |
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| 18:45.03 | minus198 | Visual_E, Compiz |
| 18:45.11 | minus198 | ops |
| 18:45.15 | minus198 | wrong tab... |
| 18:45.17 | minus198 | valdyn, * |
| 18:45.17 | valdyn | minus198: more precisely? |
| 18:45.20 | jelly-home | minus198: works-for-me in etch, but I hate it |
| 18:45.22 | valdyn | minus198: what is the error |
| 18:45.29 | minus198 | sebastian@penguin:~$ compiz --replace |
| 18:45.29 | minus198 | libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b |
| 18:45.29 | minus198 | /usr/bin/compiz.real: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0 |
| 18:45.29 | minus198 | /usr/bin/compiz.real: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 |
| 18:45.29 | minus198 | sebastian@penguin:~$ |
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| 18:45.47 | minus198 | Hm.. |
| 18:45.55 | minus198 | Flood bot... |
| 18:46.09 | valdyn | minus198: looks like xfces wm doesnt listen to that hint to die, you can kill it explicitely |
| 18:46.11 | hark | killall xfwm4 && compiz --replace |
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| 18:46.38 | valdyn | minus198: like ^^, cant tell you how to add it to xfce's session so its started automagically |
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| 18:47.13 | jelly-home | hark: hm, is there a need to --replace if the previous wm was killed? |
| 18:47.35 | minus198 | So, am I supposed to type killall xfwm4 && compiz --replace |
| 18:47.50 | valdyn | jelly-home: it wasn't killed, it only recieved the signal to exit cleanly |
| 18:48.11 | valdyn | jelly-home: though you're probably right for another reason, a quitting xfwm wont listen either |
| 18:48.16 | jelly-home | valdyn: you know what I meant ;-) |
| 18:48.32 | minus198 | Thanks! |
| 18:48.35 | minus198 | It works! |
| 18:48.36 | minus198 | :D |
| 18:48.42 | minus198 | NINTENDO 64!!!!!!! |
| 18:48.42 | minus198 | :P |
| 18:48.44 | minus198 | xD |
| 18:48.47 | minus198 | bye |
| 18:48.52 | minus198 | Thanks for the support! |
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| 18:49.07 | xand | grr |
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| 18:53.50 | josh415 | I want to switch from exim to postfix. Can I just remove all exim packages and then install postfix ones? in other words, does exim need to be on the system? |
| 18:55.10 | hark | no |
| 18:55.47 | hark | just install postfix.. exim should get removed by itself |
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| 18:57.22 | valdyn | josh415: debian supports only one mta installed, not zero, not two |
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| 18:58.08 | valdyn | ( though no mta setups could be constructed, but that's pretty exotic ) |
| 18:59.02 | Ronin | although it can work nicely with 0, you just get no mail regarding little things like system msgs etc. |
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| 18:59.18 | valdyn | Ronin: or cron |
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| 18:59.42 | minus198 | Hi again people |
| 18:59.42 | josh415 | OK, thanks guys. |
| 18:59.51 | valdyn | Ronin: i mean, that's pretty grave if cron cant report errors |
| 18:59.53 | damog | abrotman: didn't get the job |
| 19:00.09 | abrotman | dpkg: what does damog pay you for |
| 19:00.10 | dpkg | often damog begs for foot massages, abrotman, but I've really had enough... |
| 19:00.25 | Ronin | Kuba: valdyn never said it was good just that it could be done |
| 19:00.46 | minus198 | I suddenly noticed that if I did 'killall xfwm4 && compiz --replace' all my X/maximise and minimise (spell?) just dissapeard :S |
| 19:01.26 | hark | then it did not replace it |
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| 19:01.33 | minus198 | hark, ok |
| 19:01.41 | minus198 | I'll try it out.. |
| 19:01.42 | n3kl_ | Hi. Which is read first, hosts.allow or hosts.deny? |
| 19:03.11 | n3kl_ | !test |
| 19:03.11 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 19:03.48 | PupenoR | I created three partitions, raid, and then the md devices; how do I create the filesystems on the md devices (during installation)? (note: the raids are composed of two partitions, but at this time only one is present because only one disk is present). |
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| 19:05.51 | minus198 | ehm.. again.. The X/maximise/minimise buttons dissapere after I close the console that I've typed 'killall xfwm4 && compiz' |
| 19:05.53 | valdyn | n3kl_: allow takes precendence, sais the example in the manpage |
| 19:06.12 | minus198 | Should i try 'killall xfwm4 && compiz &' |
| 19:06.14 | minus198 | ?! |
| 19:06.25 | minus198 | hark, |
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| 19:07.29 | SerajewelKS | is there some mechanism by which i can have the kernel send all packets of a particular type to a userspace program, to be possibly modified and then processed / sent |
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| 19:08.37 | claudio` | hola |
| 19:08.55 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: which type of packets are you thinking of? |
| 19:09.03 | claudio` | Should i rebuild the kernel in order to use ndiswrapper? |
| 19:09.09 | valdyn | claudio`: no |
| 19:09.10 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: IPv4 mainly |
| 19:09.13 | claudio` | valdyn, good |
| 19:09.16 | valdyn | !ndiswrapper |
| 19:09.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real ... |
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| 19:09.38 | claudio` | valdyn, ndiswrapper need the ``build'' directory in /lib/modules/etc.. |
| 19:09.46 | claudio` | but i haven't that dir. |
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| 19:10.03 | minus198 | 'killall xfwm4 && compiz' didn't solve it.. |
| 19:10.12 | valdyn | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 19:10.13 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 19:10.21 | claudio` | valdyn, can you give me some hint/URL?ù |
| 19:10.28 | valdyn | claudio`: did you really try that one-liner? |
| 19:10.54 | claudio` | valdyn, i don't know what one-lines is. |
| 19:11.01 | claudio` | s/lines/liner |
| 19:11.09 | valdyn | claudio`: its a command, as dpkg said |
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| 19:12.05 | claudio` | valdyn, i'm reading the dpkg(1) man page but i don't find nothing about. Can you explain it to me, please? |
| 19:12.16 | valdyn | 20:10 < dpkg> well, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 19:12.20 | valdyn | claudio`: read ^^^ |
| 19:12.22 | tarzeau | what's the translation of "Zauberfloete" to english? |
| 19:12.28 | valdyn | claudio`: dpkg is a bot in here |
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| 19:13.04 | claudio` | valdyn, then? :) |
| 19:13.29 | valdyn | claudio`: open a terminal, run 'apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper' |
| 19:13.35 | valdyn | claudio`: ( as root naturally ) |
| 19:13.56 | tarzeau | valdyn: that's something for the faq wiki, isn't it? |
| 19:14.02 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: did you have a follow-up? |
| 19:14.16 | claudio` | valdyn, i've already install that package except for module-assistant, m-a and m-i |
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| 19:14.26 | PupenoR | Is it possible to install Debian with RAID1 while only having one hard disk (the other one will be added latter)? |
| 19:14.27 | minus198 | so, no one can help me solve my ploblem?! That the X/minimise blabla dissapers after exec 'killall xfwm4 && compiz' ?! |
| 19:14.35 | minus198 | problem* |
| 19:14.53 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: on what? i don't understand. |
| 19:14.57 | stew | PupenoR: yes, you can pass --missing as one of the two drives to mdadm |
| 19:15.02 | claudio` | *installed |
| 19:15.07 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: you asked what types of packets i was interested in, and i responded |
| 19:15.15 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: oh, i didnt ask |
| 19:15.18 | PupenoR | stew: how do I make the Debian install pass the --missing? |
| 19:15.23 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: tarzeau did |
| 19:15.23 | claudio` | valdyn, anyway.. i'm installing the other packages. So everything should works properly? |
| 19:15.30 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: whoops |
| 19:15.38 | SerajewelKS | !lose me |
| 19:15.38 | dpkg | serajewelks: You Lose. |
| 19:15.40 | stew | PupenoR: no idea, you might have to build it manually |
| 19:15.51 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: well ipv4 is so general |
| 19:16.03 | valdyn | claudio`: you're making this difficult by force: neiter m-a nor a-i are packages, run the abovementioned command. done. |
| 19:16.08 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: not really, but ok |
| 19:16.28 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: i want to work at the network layer, not the application layer |
| 19:16.29 | PupenoR | stew: that was what my question was about. Is it possible to partition and build the raid manually during install? |
| 19:16.31 | claudio` | valdyn, ok.. sorry |
| 19:16.42 | claudio` | valdyn, but where can i learn more? |
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| 19:17.03 | valdyn | claudio`: by asking what you don't understand, by reading a book. |
| 19:17.03 | stew | PupenoR: you can always get a shell at alt-f2 |
| 19:17.12 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: i can use pcap to look at packets, but i need to modify packets before they go out |
| 19:17.51 | valdyn | claudio`: getting a grasp of what in particular you don't understand half the way already... |
| 19:17.52 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: i see, i know of netsed, but never use4d it |
| 19:18.04 | claudio` | valdyn, 1) i didn't read the ``&&'' in that command, sorry :\ 2) What book? |
| 19:18.04 | PupenoR | stew: I know that, again, my question is about the installer's behaviour... would it have a problem if I build the raid by hand? will it still write down the configuration (well, that last part might not be critical). |
| 19:18.23 | valdyn | claudio`: depends on what exactly you want to learn |
| 19:18.24 | bzed | SerajewelKS: you could also use the netfilter's userspace queue |
| 19:18.43 | claudio` | valdyn, how to use ndiswrapper without recompile the kernel ;) |
| 19:18.54 | claudio` | valdyn, anyway i'm understanding everything, ATM. |
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| 19:19.06 | abrotman | everything ? |
| 19:19.09 | SerajewelKS | bzed: i never found any documentation on that |
| 19:19.26 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: will this work on packets leaving the box or just forwarded through? |
| 19:19.49 | bzed | SerajewelKS: http://www.netfilter.org |
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| 19:20.05 | abrotman | lartc.org |
| 19:20.24 | bzed | SerajewelKS: http://woozle.org/~neale/src/ipqueue/ if you want to use it with pyuthon |
| 19:20.36 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you want to use iptables to redirect packages to your program, from there on its up to ( whatever ) program |
| 19:21.07 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: good question, no idea |
| 19:21.19 | SerajewelKS | bzed: i don't see any docs for the queue interfaces |
| 19:21.21 | bzed | SerajewelKS: what exactly do you want to do? |
| 19:21.35 | SerajewelKS | bzed: modify ipv4 packets that are leaving the box |
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| 19:21.37 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: transparent proxying works like this.. |
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| 19:22.36 | bzed | SerajewelKS: chances are good that you find somethign in the libnetfilter-queue1 package. |
| 19:22.47 | bzed | SerajewelKS: what do you want to modify |
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| 19:22.58 | SerajewelKS | bzed: the header |
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| 19:24.12 | bzed | SerajewelKS: I think you'll have to use the queue module then. it's pretty much self-explaining btw, just read the header file. or use the py module and scapy to modify the packet :D |
| 19:24.30 | claudio` | valdyn, i need the kernel-headers in order to use ndiswrapper but trying to install them, i get several dependencies errors |
| 19:24.35 | claudio` | valdyn, is it normal? ;) |
| 19:24.35 | SerajewelKS | bzed: no docs in the packages either |
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| 19:24.46 | bzed | SerajewelKS: read the header file |
| 19:24.52 | valdyn | claudio`: uname -r |
| 19:25.00 | claudio` | 3.1_STABLE |
| 19:25.07 | valdyn | claudio`: no way |
| 19:25.14 | valdyn | claudio`: run 'uname -r' |
| 19:25.14 | claudio` | valdyn, i also tried to run module-assistant prepare, but without results |
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| 19:25.33 | claudio` | valdyn, the output of uname -r is 3.1_STABLE |
| 19:25.40 | claudio` | no... |
| 19:25.50 | claudio` | wrong irssi stuff, sorry |
| 19:26.03 | claudio` | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 19:26.11 | claudio` | this is my kernel version. |
| 19:26.20 | SerajewelKS | bzed: the fuction argument names are less than revealing |
| 19:26.30 | valdyn | claudio`: run apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:26.53 | claudio` | eh |
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| 19:27.01 | valdyn | !info kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386 sarge |
| 19:27.02 | bzed | SerajewelKS: hmm, there's a copy of that stuff in the py module, they must have got it from somewhere |
| 19:27.06 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386: (Linux kernel headers 2.6.8 on 386), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 16672 kB |
| 19:27.17 | claudio` | i get dependencies problem about kernel-headers-2.6.8-3 |
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| 19:27.26 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: why can't you use something like socat? |
| 19:27.32 | valdyn | claudio`: so? which? |
| 19:27.50 | SerajewelKS | wols_: because it's a stateless rule applied to all sockets |
| 19:28.03 | SerajewelKS | wols_: and show me where socat gives me access to the ipv4 header |
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| 19:28.21 | bzed | SerajewelKS: you know that this won;t be really fast. I guess there're other ways to archive your goal |
| 19:28.23 | claudio` | valdyn, should i install the all the dependencies ``by hand'' ? |
| 19:28.24 | wols_ | ok, ok. but if you want to do NAT, that's already impßlemented :) |
| 19:28.31 | valdyn | claudio`: no, you should show the error |
| 19:28.32 | wols_ | or set the evil bit? |
| 19:28.39 | claudio` | valdyn, just a moment |
| 19:28.46 | psycose | hi, using up to date Debian Etch for sparc64, my application get killed when i launch it ... i'm trying to figure out where the problem is ? any tips thanks |
| 19:28.50 | SerajewelKS | bzed: shrug, pcap works fine for packets coming in, but for packets leaving in need a way to modify them |
| 19:28.58 | valdyn | claudio`: me evaluating your interpretation of erros cant work, i'll generally want to see the literal error |
| 19:28.59 | SerajewelKS | s/in/i/ |
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| 19:29.45 | claudio` | brb |
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| 19:30.51 | bzed | SerajewelKS: just use python... as in the py module i've linked you to. using scapy is an easy way to modify packets |
| 19:31.08 | SerajewelKS | bzed: i can use pcap's inject to send a packet out, but i would need a way to tell the kernel to not send the packet that i read |
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| 19:31.28 | SerajewelKS | bzed: i don't speak python |
| 19:31.50 | claudio_ | valdyn: this is the useful output |
| 19:31.56 | claudio_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386: Depends: kernel-headers-2.6.8-3 but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:32.18 | bzed | SerajewelKS: py is easy to learn. but you want to ask the netfilter guys for some docs about the queue module, or jsut google for it. that's the only way to get traffic into userspace and do anything with it before sending it out |
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| 19:33.08 | n3kl__ | so if I have an ALL: PARANIOD in hosts.deny, and an SSHD: ALL in hosts.allow, because allow overrides deny then no matter when sshd: 1.2.3.4 statements I have in hosts.deny, all ssh will be allowed? |
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| 19:34.52 | valdyn | claudio_: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-3 |
| 19:35.31 | bzed | n3kl: ssh does not use tcpd at all, so trying to configure such things in hosts.* is sensless. use iptables |
| 19:35.38 | claudio_ | valdyn: i get the same problem about kernel-kbuild-2.6.3 |
| 19:36.11 | n3kl__ | bzed: I thought that was the point of denyhosts, to add offending ips to your hosts.deny |
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| 19:36.25 | claudio_ | valdyn: my sources list is ``testing'' not stable |
| 19:36.30 | claudio_ | is this information, useful? |
| 19:36.30 | valdyn | claudio_: ok |
| 19:36.41 | petemc | bzed: eh? |
| 19:36.46 | valdyn | claudio_: that's broken, you cant have a sarge system with etch sources |
| 19:36.46 | n3kl__ | bzed: and had my statement not been about sshd, would that logic apply? |
| 19:36.52 | petemc | bzed: ssh does use hosts.* |
| 19:37.01 | valdyn | claudio_: at the very least add sarge sources |
| 19:37.11 | n3kl__ | petemc: so is my thinking correct? |
| 19:37.12 | bzed | petemc: sure? ok, then blame me for not knowing that |
| 19:37.20 | bzed | I'd still not use it, though |
| 19:37.29 | petemc | n3kl__: it was aye |
| 19:37.30 | valdyn | claudio_: then run apt-get update, then you should be able to install the kernel-headers.. package |
| 19:37.50 | claudio_ | valdyn: and if i want to install the latest versions of the software? |
| 19:38.00 | claudio_ | sarge have not very updated software, as far i can see |
| 19:38.03 | valdyn | claudio_: in the long run you should upgrade everything to testing and install and use a testing kernel |
| 19:38.11 | n3kl__ | petemc: how do you block ssh from external brute force attempts? Do you have anything for ssh in your hosts.allow? |
| 19:38.18 | valdyn | claudio_: actually, make that etch where i said testing |
| 19:38.21 | bzed | n3kl__: imho you still want to use iptables, though. filtering on userspace level is too late |
| 19:38.32 | bzed | n3kl__: install fail2ban |
| 19:38.43 | bzed | n3kl__: and use the hashlimit module of iptables |
| 19:38.47 | valdyn | claudio_: thats' right, but no reason to mix , upgrade everything or nothing |
| 19:38.57 | karsten | Is there a way to get the compression %age of a bunch of compressed files? |
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| 19:39.11 | claudio_ | valdyn: i'd run apt-get upgrade with the ``testing'' sources |
| 19:39.17 | petemc | n3kl__: i use a file called /etc/hosts.blocked , which i reference in hosts.allow with "sshd : /etc/hosts.blocked : severity auth.info : deny" |
| 19:39.18 | claudio_ | but a lot of packages has not been updated |
| 19:39.26 | valdyn | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 19:39.26 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 19:39.31 | petemc | n3kl__: and a script puts ip in hosts.blocked |
| 19:39.33 | valdyn | claudio_: read ^^ and follow it |
| 19:39.42 | karsten | 'gunzip -vt' just checks integrity. |
| 19:39.45 | claudio_ | valdyn: ok, THX a lot for your help/time |
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| 19:39.57 | bzed | petemc: still too late imho. you want to get rid of such stuff in kernel space |
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| 19:40.11 | n3kl__ | petemc: so if you are able to put deny statements in the hosts.allow file, what is the point of hosts.deny? |
| 19:40.12 | petemc | bzed: its not that big of a nuisance to me |
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| 19:40.46 | valdyn | claudio_: now if you upgrade to etch you need to install an etch kernel, and installing ndiswrapper will work |
| 19:40.48 | petemc | n3kl__: dunno, ask weitse.. |
| 19:40.49 | bzed | n3kl__: just have a look into fail2ban, it'll take care of brute force stuff not only for ssh |
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| 19:40.55 | karsten | gunzip -l |
| 19:40.59 | karsten | Solution. |
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| 19:41.33 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i have a question about package deps: i compiled gaim 6 from sources, but for doing so i had to install quite a bunch of deps, how do i get rid of them now? |
| 19:41.39 | claudio_ | valdyn: i didn't understand how the kernel is used on debian :-) |
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| 19:42.03 | claudio_ | Once i install the kernel with apt.. should i compile it or not? |
| 19:42.16 | n3kl__ | petemc: bzed: do either of you know if it ispossible to circumvent iptables? |
| 19:42.19 | Ronin | claudio_: yes you can install it with apt-get |
| 19:42.29 | tvynr | assasukasse: Did you install the dependencies as packages? If so, just uninstall using apt-get remove. |
| 19:42.31 | valdyn | claudio_: no, it's already compiled |
| 19:42.39 | claudio_ | ah |
| 19:42.46 | claudio_ | good |
| 19:42.57 | tvynr | query all: where do I get my hands on a copy of the source code for apt... if I don't have a working copy of apt? |
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| 19:43.04 | valdyn | claudio_: the headers are required to compiled additional drivers for the precomiled running kernel |
| 19:43.07 | tvynr | I mean, does apt have a page or something? |
| 19:43.07 | claudio_ | and if i want to compile my own kernel i have to install could just download the latest sources from kernel.org? |
| 19:43.27 | karsten | !tell claudio_ about kp |
| 19:43.29 | assasukasse | tvynr i installed from synaptic, but i don't remember how many of them, since when i installed one, more than one package got installed at the end... |
| 19:43.29 | claudio_ | valdyn: yes.. i'm starting to understand better |
| 19:43.36 | bzed | n3kl__: circumvent...as in? |
| 19:43.46 | tvynr | claudio_: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 19:43.47 | valdyn | claudio_: you could, or you could apt-get install 'linux-source-whatever' ( in etch+ ), 'kernel-source-whatever' in sarge |
| 19:44.44 | Thms | anyone knows a good firm for buy a domain name ? (by paypal or other but I want a really securised firm for domain name and hosting) |
| 19:44.46 | modeX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.10 | claudio_ | uhm.. ok |
| 19:45.42 | dreamlinux | hello world |
| 19:45.42 | tvynr | assasukasse: I'm not aware of any way to remove all of them, I'm afraid; your system doesn't really have a way of knowing why a package was installed (manually specified or as a dependency to something else) because that information isn't recorded. |
| 19:46.05 | dreamlinux | what ups.. bodys.. jeje ;) |
| 19:46.07 | karsten | assasukasse: ... but it is if you use aptitude. |
| 19:46.11 | karsten | !tell assasukasse about aptitude |
| 19:46.17 | me_here | is there a way i can make sure my sent emails are really send and received on the other end? |
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| 19:46.21 | valdyn | assasukasse: in which debian release? |
| 19:46.24 | karsten | Thms: Not godaddy. http://www.nodaddy.com |
| 19:46.32 | assasukasse | tvynr was there any way to keep track of installations? i mean i understand now there is no chance, but next time :D |
| 19:46.36 | assasukasse | valdyn etch |
| 19:46.44 | n3kl__ | bzed: I would like to know if I place an iptables machine on the interenet with all ports available, ie: no other firewall, and if I correctly configure iptables to drop packates, if it ispossible to get to listening services running on the box even if iptables does notallow access. |
| 19:46.44 | karsten | me_here: Ask the person you sent the mail to if they got your message. |
| 19:46.51 | valdyn | assasukasse: installing/ removing is recorded in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:47.03 | Thms | karsten: so what ? |
| 19:47.15 | assasukasse | valdyn so i can just read as a textfile using mousepad, and check what was installed no? |
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| 19:47.39 | me_here | karsten: if my email failed to be delivered, nothing else than a call to the receiver will help |
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| 19:47.51 | valdyn | assasukasse: read it, see what you can make of it... |
| 19:48.46 | me_here | damn |
| 19:48.46 | tvynr | assasukasse: Should be able to read it using your favorite text viewer, yeah. Might be quite a journey to find everything. I do kind of wish apt would distinguish between "things I explicitly wanted" and "things it had to install as a result" so it could clear out the latter group when I was done with something from the prior. |
| 19:48.46 | assasukasse | valdyn thanks u were my last chance of cleaning a bit my fs :D |
| 19:48.46 | bzed | n3kl__: if you do it right this should not be possible, except you find a bug in the firewall code or jsut break in by exploiting some deamon which actually has a port open to the world. |
| 19:48.46 | karsten | Thms: So: someone else. tucows is used by someone I consider clueful. |
| 19:48.48 | karsten | me_here: email is inherently nondeterministic. You'll need to establish some sort of handshaking protocol, not necessarially technical. |
| 19:48.49 | Thms | okay |
| 19:48.52 | bzed | n3kl__: if you want to block _all_ traffic coming in from an interface tell the daemon not to listen on that interface |
| 19:49.01 | assasukasse | tvynr i agree, only last question, if things are added to the log in ORDER of time or of package name..if in time maybe i can find..in name i give up now |
| 19:49.05 | sepski | tvynr, aptitude does that |
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| 19:49.15 | karsten | me_here: Various mechanisms such as return receipts, etc., are very implementation-dependent. Usually Outlook/Exchange. |
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| 19:49.25 | me_here | karsten: smtp on port 25 to my mail gate as standard, if that does not help ... |
| 19:49.35 | bzed | n3kl__: using iptables is always a good idea - if you know how. best thing is not to have the firewall on the same computer, though |
| 19:49.36 | claudio_ | I'd run aptidute upgrade but still i have 451 package not updated. Is it normal? |
| 19:49.54 | tvynr | sepski: Really? Hmm. I prefer CLI, myself, so pity... |
| 19:50.01 | sepski | tvynr, aptitude is cli |
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| 19:50.09 | petemc | claudio_: dist-upgrade |
| 19:50.13 | sepski | it supports the exact same commands apt-get does |
| 19:50.18 | tvynr | assasukasse: time; most logs are in order of time and dpkg makes no exception :) |
| 19:50.20 | karsten | me_here: Pardon? |
| 19:50.29 | stew | s/the exact/some of the/ |
| 19:50.30 | bzed | me_here: usually you ahve to authenticate, probably also use ssl |
| 19:50.33 | sepski | !aptitude |
| 19:50.34 | dpkg | aptitude is probably a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
| 19:50.36 | n3kl__ | bzed: yes, I have a very involved iptables rule set, but I just want to make sure that certian services are not accessable from external |
| 19:50.39 | claudio_ | petemc: already done but doesn't works too. I get conflicts problem |
| 19:50.48 | stew | !aptitude is also ask me about <why aptitude> |
| 19:50.48 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 19:50.53 | me_here | karsten: never mind, but thanks |
| 19:50.54 | claudio_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libfam0c102: Conflicts: libfam0 but 2.7.0-12 is to be installed. |
| 19:50.54 | bzed | n3kl__: configure them not to bind on the external itnerface |
| 19:50.56 | valdyn | claudio_: read the manpage, the parts about 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' |
| 19:50.58 | assasukasse | thanks i go to work then :D |
| 19:51.02 | tvynr | sepski: aptitude is a TUI. I mean actually CLI, as in I type nice and quick and hit enter and it brings me back to happy bash land. |
| 19:51.04 | bzed | n3kl__: in case you have 2 interfaces of course |
| 19:51.08 | me_here | bzed: i enabled ssl |
| 19:51.10 | n3kl__ | bzed: some services do notallow such things |
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| 19:51.14 | karsten | me_here: You can do a whole lot of things technically, and RFCs strongly suggest that conformant systems behave in certain ways, but as a practical matter, nothing short of getting a response indicating that what you sent is what was received works. |
| 19:51.17 | bzed | n3kl__: which one? |
| 19:51.18 | stew | claudio_: you are trying to mix stable and testing? |
| 19:51.18 | n3kl__ | bzed: that I am aware of |
| 19:51.35 | karsten | me_here: You can blame spam and a lot of clueless vendors (and admins) for much of the mess. |
| 19:51.38 | sepski | tvynr, i dont know what you mean by cli, but if i want to install a package a type aptitude install packagename |
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| 19:51.48 | sepski | tvynr, if i want to upgrade my system it's aptitude upgrade |
| 19:51.52 | sepski | just like with apt-get |
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| 19:51.59 | claudio_ | stew: i'm trying to update to etch |
| 19:52.12 | me_here | karsten: now i understand, i have to go to court with my mail admins lol |
| 19:52.16 | me_here | oh man |
| 19:52.18 | stew | claudio_: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:52.19 | gregh | quick question, which package do I apt-get to install libncurses? |
| 19:52.22 | sepski | !sarge->etch |
| 19:52.23 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 19:52.23 | claudio_ | valdyn: there is no dist-upgrade section in my aptitude(8) ;) |
| 19:52.29 | bzed | gregh: libncurses5 |
| 19:52.32 | tvynr | sepski: Aaah. I've never seen it used that way before; I've always seen it in connection with the TUI such as during installation. Thanks for the info. :) |
| 19:52.39 | claudio_ | stew: already done but i get conflicts problems |
| 19:52.40 | sepski | tvynr, i never use that |
| 19:52.54 | centrx | gregh for the headers, add a -dev |
| 19:52.57 | gregh | bzed: hm, that says "libncurses5 is already the latest version" |
| 19:53.08 | centrx | gregh also in the future you can just do something like "apt-cache search libncurses" |
| 19:53.12 | gregh | and apt-get can't find libncurses5-dev |
| 19:53.28 | gregh | ah, apt-cache is handy, thanks |
| 19:53.28 | claudio_ | valdyn: i've found that section in the apt-get man page. THX |
| 19:53.49 | gregh | does apt-get know about what should be on all the cds? I haven't downloaded them all yet. |
| 19:53.49 | centrx | gregh well libncurses5-dev is in every version of Debian from oldstable through unstable |
| 19:53.51 | stew | claudio_: can pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libfam0c102" ? |
| 19:53.53 | tvynr | !tell tvyn about apt |
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| 19:53.58 | n3kl__ | bzed: nfs |
| 19:54.04 | centrx | gregh why not just use the network? |
| 19:54.13 | stew | claudio_: OR you should just use the aptitude frontend to sort out the dependencies |
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| 19:54.18 | sepski | centrx, nobody downloads all the cd's unless they are installing in a location without internet,. |
| 19:54.19 | gregh | can't use network, corporate firewall issues :/ |
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| 19:54.31 | tvynr | Anyone know if the APT project has a homepage or something? Somewhere I can download the source that isn't a repository that I'd have to know how to navigate beforehand? |
| 19:54.32 | assasukasse | where is hidden the dpkg log? |
| 19:54.34 | sepski | gregh, proxy ? or tunnel ? |
| 19:54.36 | centrx | sepski right, but he may very well have thought he needed the CDs and didn't know about net installation |
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| 19:54.42 | minus198 | Hi again.. |
| 19:54.43 | tvynr | assasukasse: /var/log/dpkg.log, I thought |
| 19:54.54 | minus198 | I solved my problem! :) |
| 19:55.02 | stew | tvynr: you can get the source from http://packages.debian.org/apt |
| 19:55.14 | stew | assasukasse: what version of dpkg do you have installed? |
| 19:55.15 | minus198 | 'killall xfwm4 && nohup compiz' |
| 19:55.16 | minus198 | :P |
| 19:55.18 | gregh | the proxy here is ms and requires ntlm authentication, I suppose I could set up a tunnel |
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| 19:56.27 | assasukasse | stew i dunno i suppose the original etch one |
| 19:56.34 | tvynr | stew: Ah... I guess I was expecting some kind of project page or something. I'm building a LFS distro for a recovery disc system and I'd like to use APT to manage the stripped down stuff I build for it. So I need to build and install dpkg and APT on this system that doesn't have dpkg or APT. And I was hoping they'd have a homepage informing me of all of the tidbits I needed to know. |
| 19:56.41 | claudio_ | stew: this is the output: http://rafb.net/p/YG4NaQ91.html |
| 19:56.59 | gregh | but, my question is, if apt-get says "E: Couldn't find package libncurses5-dev", is it going to be able to find it once I set up network access? |
| 19:57.36 | bzed | n3kl__: true. you can use hosts.allow/deny for that, plus you want to firewall that. I'd not trust that host.* stuff, especialyl not with nfs.... but probably I'm only too paranoid |
| 19:57.58 | stew | assasukasse: if its from etch, then the log is /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:58.00 | sepski | gregh, if you configure networking, and a sane sources.list file. yes |
| 19:58.15 | gregh | heh, ok. |
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| 19:58.29 | stew | !conflicts libfam0c102 etch |
| 19:58.32 | dpkg | libfam0c102: does not conflict with any other package |
| 19:58.33 | bzed | tvynr: you could jsut use damn small linux and modify it for your needs. if I'm not all wrong it uses apt/dpkg |
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| 19:59.01 | gregh | hm, I do in fact already have a /lib/libncurses.so.5 and yet ld is complaining: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses |
| 19:59.11 | tvynr | bzed: I suppose I could, but I'm already mostly the way into building this LFS distro and I'm doing it partially for the knowledge. :) |
| 19:59.15 | abrotman | libncurses5-dev ? |
| 19:59.17 | Danielss89 | Hi... look at this: http://potterskolen.dk/infobanner.php?brugernavn=Danielss89 and http://pottersiden.dk/infobanner.php?brugernavn=Danielss89 (user: dpn and pass: dpn) <-- i dont get why it works on the second domain but not the first one.. they're hosted on the same server, and its the same file.. |
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| 19:59.25 | stew | claudio_: look at what dpkg: said, it sholdnt' be conflicting. can you show me exactly what command you are typing and the output you are getting? |
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| 20:00.23 | claudio_ | stew: just a thing. If i re-netinst the system and before to do anyting replace the ``stable'' directive with ``etch'' and then, i start to install the packages, is it a good thing? |
| 20:01.02 | claudio_ | Maybe doing an aptidute update/upgrade/dist-upgrade before to install all the others software. |
| 20:01.14 | claudio_ | Is it a good choice? :-) |
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| 20:03.15 | claudio_ | stew: anyway, this is what you asked me: http://rafb.net/p/oLCoXe90.html |
| 20:04.22 | stew | claudio_: how about "aptitude install libfam0c102" ? |
| 20:04.35 | stew | claudio_: i'd recommend just running "aptitude" and doing the upgrade via the ncurses frontend |
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| 20:10.13 | Tigger__ | hi all :) |
| 20:11.33 | dreamlinux | bodys.. i have a questions.. for yours... mm my problem is whit the file "/var/lib/dpkg/status" |
| 20:11.46 | Tigger__ | whats debian ? |
| 20:11.53 | dreamlinux | hello tigger |
| 20:11.54 | xixor | hi everyone, just trying to get CPU temperature monitoring working on my system, I have xfce4-sensor-plugin and lm-sensors installed, but nothing seems to be able to read the temperature. Is there something else that needs to be done to get lm-sensors configured? |
| 20:12.01 | karsten | Tigger__: Don't ask useless questions. |
| 20:12.01 | dreamlinux | mm.. debian testing |
| 20:12.06 | simonrvn | a distribution of lixux |
| 20:12.06 | karsten | Tigger__: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 20:12.14 | Tigger__ | hello dreamlinux :) |
| 20:12.26 | bzed | xixor: sensors-detect << run that as root |
| 20:12.35 | Tigger__ | oh thx i'll go take a look |
| 20:12.37 | dreamlinux | hello tigger.. jeje |
| 20:12.47 | Tigger__ | :) |
| 20:12.49 | dreamlinux | i come from chile |
| 20:12.50 | dreamlinux | jeje |
| 20:13.05 | dreamlinux | thank for your welcome |
| 20:13.19 | stew | Tigger__: troll elsewhere |
| 20:13.25 | xixor | bzed: ahh, ok, thanks |
| 20:13.27 | bzed | xixor: also install acpid and acpi if you don't have it allready. |
| 20:13.37 | Tigger__ | oh cool i'm from London, England |
| 20:13.38 | dreamlinux | well.. that is my problem, whit this file "/var/lib/dpkg/status" |
| 20:13.43 | dreamlinux | jejej |
| 20:13.45 | xixor | bzed: are those required? right now I am passing acpi=off to the kernel |
| 20:13.49 | Tigger__ | hello stew ? |
| 20:13.57 | dreamlinux | woh... is long distan from chile |
| 20:14.00 | dreamlinux | jiji ;) |
| 20:14.04 | bzed | xixor: ah, then they won't work. but does it have a reason that you're disabling acpi? |
| 20:14.14 | stew | Tigger__: do you have anything debian related you need help with? i know you know what linux is judging from the other times you've been in here |
| 20:14.24 | xixor | bzed: last night I was suspecting that acpi and my ethernet card weren't getting along |
| 20:14.26 | Tigger__ | yeah half way around the glode dreamlinux :) |
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| 20:14.39 | dreamlinux | jeje yeah |
| 20:14.53 | xixor | bzed: in /var/log/messages, I see this quite often: localhost kernel: e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link down |
| 20:14.54 | assasukasse | checkinstall is not on debian repo? |
| 20:15.01 | xixor | bzed: and was trying to see if acpi would disable it |
| 20:15.09 | assasukasse | i tried apt-get install checkinstall and doesn't find it |
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| 20:15.18 | Tigger__ | i'm not sure stew i mite think of a help question soon :) |
| 20:15.18 | sepski | assasukasse, it is |
| 20:15.19 | abrotman | checkinstall isn't currently in etch |
| 20:15.21 | abrotman | use stow |
| 20:15.23 | bzed | xixor: no, that's more a broken cable or switch or something like that |
| 20:15.26 | xixor | bzed: err, I mean, if disabling acpi would fix the problem, but doesn't seem to have fixed it, so I can probably enable it again |
| 20:15.28 | abrotman | !info checkinstall etch |
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| 20:15.36 | abrotman | !+info checkinstall etch |
| 20:15.37 | dpkg | Package 'checkinstall' does not exist. |
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| 20:15.40 | me_here | hast du hotplug und hal installiert ?= |
| 20:15.41 | xixor | bzed: Yeah, that is what I am going to check later, I haven't had physical access to this particular system in a few days though |
| 20:15.44 | me_here | ups |
| 20:15.45 | sepski | abrotman, i have it installed |
| 20:15.51 | xixor | bzed: I will re-enable acpi and reboot, give the sensors a try now |
| 20:15.53 | xixor | bzed: thanks |
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| 20:15.57 | abrotman | sepski: could be a leftover |
| 20:15.57 | assasukasse | abrotman, what is this stow? |
| 20:15.57 | bzed | xixor: then you can isntall acpid and acpi - acpi -V should give you some aoutput, too.... probably |
| 20:16.09 | karsten | !stow |
| 20:16.09 | dpkg | somebody said stow was a nifty program used to manage /usr/local/ hierarchy -- it keeps all programs seperate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game |
| 20:16.13 | bzed | xixor: just try a new cable, or a different switch port or so |
| 20:16.23 | assasukasse | i could simply download the debian package and install it no? |
| 20:16.33 | abrotman | or that |
| 20:16.34 | xixor | bzed: yeah, will do that |
| 20:16.37 | abrotman | !why is checkinstall not in testing |
| 20:16.37 | dpkg | checkinstall is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=checkinstall |
| 20:16.45 | karsten | xixor: acpi is notoriously broken and unreliable. swsusp is recommended if you can use it. |
| 20:16.49 | bzed | me_here: hotplug is outdated on etch, udev does the job there ;) |
| 20:16.55 | Tigger__ | ok, how can i have a virtual printer for djvu document on debian ? |
| 20:17.07 | xixor | karsten: I don't really even know what acpi does |
| 20:17.16 | me_here | bzed: jup hast recht |
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| 20:17.45 | xixor | karsten: is swusp for software suspending then? |
| 20:17.48 | tvynr | Hypothetical question for anyone familiar with dpkg: if dpkg is a package (in that it can even uninstall itself), how did it get onto the root in the first place? |
| 20:17.58 | karsten | xixor: Hangs systems, mostly. |
| 20:18.07 | karsten | xixor: Yep. swsusp, BTW. |
| 20:18.11 | ljlolel | can I boot off of an .iso file on my hard drive? |
| 20:18.13 | karsten | !swsusp |
| 20:18.14 | dpkg | [swsusp] at http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ with this you can suspend/hibernate your linux system to disk without any BIOS support. late 2.4 kernel versions actually work! it has been integrated into 2.5 |
| 20:18.15 | ljlolel | .iso of a cd |
| 20:18.17 | assasukasse | abrotman, how do i use stow? same way of checkinstall? |
| 20:18.28 | h3sp4wn | tvynr: look at debootstrap (its a shell script) |
| 20:18.29 | xixor | karsten: yeah, this is a server that will be on 24/7, so don't need to suspend or hibernate |
| 20:18.33 | xixor | anyway, going to reboot |
| 20:18.37 | bzed | tvynr: build it with configure/make/make install; then let it package itself and install it over the files |
| 20:18.38 | karsten | ljlolel: With some pain, yes. Standard recipie for doing same: not aware of offhand. |
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| 20:18.40 | Tigger__ | dreamlinux, how is life treating you ? |
| 20:18.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's cool, when debian gets freebasic. linux is where c-64 was 20 years ago :) |
| 20:18.57 | tvynr | h3sp4wn: I'm trying to install dpkg from source. :) |
| 20:19.01 | karsten | xixor: The main thing acpi buys is the ability to power down from shutdown, though that might be available by other means. |
| 20:19.07 | tvynr | bzed: Ah, perfect. I assume I'll have to tell it to overwrite stuff. |
| 20:19.09 | xixor | karsten: ah, cool |
| 20:19.13 | bzed | tvynr: or install it into /tmp/foo and use the version in /tmp/foo to build and install dpkg |
| 20:19.32 | karsten | Any splunk debs that folks know about? |
| 20:19.46 | karsten | Doh! |
| 20:19.46 | sepski | checkinstall removed becouse of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=281823 |
| 20:19.49 | xixor | bzed: ok, installed acpid, going to reboot with acpi support.. hopefully system comes back up, as I am only having remote access :) |
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| 20:20.10 | bzed | xixor: make sure you can reboot into a different kernel then ;) good luck |
| 20:20.12 | Tigger__ | hey simmerz :) |
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| 20:20.21 | ljlolel | okay, question about this borked apt-situation .... I am trying to uninstall two programs (firestarter and hplip)... but I can't because " subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 20:20.21 | ljlolel | " and now I can' t do *anything* with apt! |
| 20:20.40 | simmerz | Tigger__: hi |
| 20:20.45 | Tigger__ | well i gtg supper is ready, hoo hoo hoo TTFN! |
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| 20:20.52 | Tigger__ | hi simmerz :) |
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| 20:23.38 | hardlined | are weak references not enabled in the perl that comes with debian etch? |
| 20:23.38 | ghatak | Hi, please help me in getting my Xorg.conf right, my monitor refresh rate is still not solved. |
| 20:23.40 | tarzeau | i so much love file(1) and its author. |
| 20:23.53 | dreamlinux | tigger.. you now the answer to my question?¿ |
| 20:23.56 | secher | I'm trying to write a shell script. I'm stuck on a particular part. I want the script to open a file, line down, dd, dd, save and exit. Any ideas on how I'd do that or where I would look to learn? |
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| 20:24.05 | torrrrr | hi |
| 20:24.06 | secher | I'm trying to write a shell script. I'm stuck on a particular part. I want the script to open a file, line down, dd, dd, save and exit. Any ideas on how I'd do that or where I would look to learn? |
| 20:24.18 | secher | that was wierd. sorry for the spam. |
| 20:24.26 | torrrrr | is it possible to define two gateways in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:24.30 | karsten | secher: ?? |
| 20:24.41 | secher | karsten: sorry, using vi. |
| 20:24.44 | karsten | secher: You want to delete lines 2&3 of the file? |
| 20:24.45 | tarzeau | secher: and dd is what? |
| 20:24.52 | secher | precisely. |
| 20:24.53 | tarzeau | karsten: ah. sed! |
| 20:24.59 | ghatak | When i run, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it does not give me the option to set my refresh rate of monitor to 70Hz, i know my monitor can cope with 70Hz, my screen is so bad with current refresh rate |
| 20:25.06 | dreamlinux | tigger__: well.. very. well .. no problem |
| 20:25.08 | karsten | secher: sed -ie '2,3d' |
| 20:25.26 | secher | karsten, tarzeau: Many thanks. |
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| 20:25.32 | karsten | secher: ... that's an edit-in-place of the file. |
| 20:25.40 | karsten | secher: man sed. |
| 20:25.52 | secher | already have it up. :) |
| 20:25.55 | MiK[3]Zz | hi, how can i change resolution, i have only 640x480/800x600 |
| 20:25.56 | ljlolel | is there a way to change my keyboard to dvorak from the command line? |
| 20:25.59 | tarzeau | secher: sed '2,3d' /etc/motd |
| 20:26.00 | dreamlinux | bodys.. my.. web site.. http://rodrigo.homelinux.org/ (only in spanish) |
| 20:26.00 | snowbird | try shell no gui to set refesh |
| 20:26.08 | sepski | !drxx MiK[3]Zz |
| 20:26.08 | dpkg | MiK[3]Zz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:26.12 | tarzeau | karsten: oh you're way faster |
| 20:26.15 | karsten | secher: sed == Stream EDitor. |
| 20:26.29 | karsten | secher: ... very useful for scripting and scripted edits. |
| 20:26.37 | karsten | tarzeau: Done that once or twice ;-) |
| 20:26.55 | tarzeau | karsten: me too, but i always have to look it up. i'm more like the awk mahster |
| 20:26.59 | dreamlinux | but..soon my web site rodrigo.homelinux.org will call www,dreamlinux.cl ;) |
| 20:27.15 | tarzeau | karsten: and BASIC? |
| 20:27.25 | karsten | tarzeau: Pshaw! |
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| 20:28.03 | secher | KK, back to work. Peace and thanks again karsten and tarzeau |
| 20:28.30 | karsten | sepski: NP |
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| 20:28.40 | Illarane | Heya, I don't suppose anyone here knows how I can get OpenOffice to allow me to type in Japanese? |
| 20:28.53 | tarzeau | !jp |
| 20:28.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, jp is Japan |
| 20:28.58 | karsten | Illarane: It's very easy. |
| 20:29.02 | tarzeau | there's also #debian-japan(ese)? |
| 20:29.08 | karsten | Illarane: ... first you learn how to write in Japanese .... ;-) |
| 20:29.12 | tarzeau | maybe they know, and there's an openoffice debian channel too |
| 20:29.18 | dreamlinux | anyone of yours.. use.. staroffice?¿ |
| 20:29.27 | tarzeau | dreamlinux: not me |
| 20:29.29 | Illarane | karsten: I am. :p |
| 20:29.29 | karsten | dreamlinux: OO.o >>> staroffice |
| 20:29.37 | tarzeau | karsten: same shit, if you ask me |
| 20:29.43 | dreamlinux | o right |
| 20:29.48 | torrrrr | two gateways anyone? |
| 20:30.03 | Illarane | And OOo and StarOffice are practically the same, although StarOffice tends to have a bit more class when it comes to presentation. |
| 20:30.05 | stew | yes? |
| 20:30.09 | xixor | bzed: ok, server came back up luckily enough |
| 20:30.11 | karsten | Illarane: /join #openoffice |
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| 20:30.19 | dreamlinux | i like startoffce.. but also I use OO |
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| 20:30.36 | Illarane | #openoffice != existing :p |
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| 20:30.46 | karsten | SO has a few additional bits, more helpfiles. It unfortunately also has the skill and efficacy of Sun's marketing department. |
| 20:30.51 | xixor | bzed: still having trouble with the sensors though. I run the sensors-detect script |
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| 20:31.12 | xixor | bzed: and it tells me a few modules that I should load, and it tries to add them to /etc/modules, but I disallow it (default option) |
| 20:31.32 | bzed | xixor: lol why? |
| 20:31.33 | ranphatje | Hi I'm trying to get lightpd working with torrentflux (php) only when i enter a PHP file in my browser i get a download windows instead of a internet page. Do i need to activate something I installed php4 and php5 with the server but nothing says me that it 's not working |
| 20:31.34 | dreamlinux | who consume more resources .OO or SO ?¿ |
| 20:31.40 | bzed | xixor: just allow it and load them |
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| 20:31.45 | xixor | bzed: because it is the default option :) |
| 20:31.46 | tarzeau | dreamlinux: both consume too much |
| 20:31.47 | Illarane | karsten: Rather Sun than MacroShaft. :p |
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| 20:31.59 | karsten | Illarane: #OpenOffice.org |
| 20:32.02 | dreamlinux | mm.. you have right |
| 20:32.03 | tarzeau | Illarane: really SUN isn't that much better |
| 20:32.08 | karsten | Illarane: Sorry, chanserv said the first existed and was there. |
| 20:32.09 | bzed | xixor: load them then and run sensors |
| 20:32.19 | karsten | Illarane: MS's marketing dept obviously _earns_ its keep. |
| 20:32.26 | Illarane | tarzeau: Certainly no worse. :p |
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| 20:32.44 | karsten | Illarane: Sun's couldn't market its way out of a paper bag with a flamethrower. |
| 20:32.46 | xixor | bzed: well, for example, it says use lm85, but when I insmod lm85, it is not found |
| 20:32.47 | Illarane | 'Sides, they make good boxes. |
| 20:32.56 | karsten | Illarane: *coff* |
| 20:33.06 | bzed | Suns hardware rocks, and I'm still waiting that the debian port with the opensolaris kernel is finished... that'll jhust fucking rock |
| 20:33.14 | justin | xixor: use modprobe |
| 20:33.15 | xixor | bzed: but, the file exists ./kernel/drivers/hwmon/lm85.ko |
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| 20:33.18 | tarzeau | bzed: SPARC? |
| 20:33.22 | bzed | xixor: modprobe lm85 |
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| 20:33.35 | bzed | tarzeau: no. |
| 20:33.36 | xixor | ah.. sorry, I thought insmod was the way to load a module? |
| 20:33.45 | tarzeau | bzed: m68k? |
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| 20:33.55 | bzed | tarzeau: well, the sparc hardware rocks, too... but the opteron server are just fucking great |
| 20:33.57 | karsten | xixor: it is, but modprobe is better (automatically detects deps and loads 'em as well). |
| 20:34.09 | xixor | ahh, ok |
| 20:34.13 | josh415 | i thought debian on the solaris kernel was already out there. Belinix. |
| 20:34.28 | bzed | xixor: you';d have to feed insmod with the actual file |
| 20:34.31 | tarzeau | josh415: you mean nexenta, gnu/opensolaris? |
| 20:34.41 | josh415 | tarzeau: yeah. nexenta, i meant. |
| 20:34.47 | tarzeau | karsten: i like NeXT computers best |
| 20:34.59 | karsten | tarzeau: I like the desktop. As WMaker. |
| 20:35.25 | bzed | karsten: naah. ever had a piece of recent sun hardware in your fingers? they definitely have the best remote managment I've ever seen, are built like a tank and debian just works well on them |
| 20:35.32 | xixor | bzed: ah, ok. Ok, got them loaded, thanks, eh! |
| 20:35.42 | bzed | xixor: run sensors now :) |
| 20:35.56 | xixor | bzed: yeah, sensors provides more information than I can take in now |
| 20:36.07 | karsten | bzed: We've got a bunch of random (well, not truely random) kit here, I'm actually generating reliability data on it. |
| 20:36.07 | bzed | haha |
| 20:36.17 | dreamlinux | anyone of yours use "slimstat" ?¿ |
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| 20:36.30 | bzed | xixor: btw, the output is sometimes just wrong. either it has some offset, or the value is the negative value or things liek that |
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| 20:36.37 | karsten | bzed: The SMCs on the v20/40Z series are ass, though. |
| 20:36.49 | xixor | bzed: ha, sounds good |
| 20:37.01 | xixor | bzed: I just ran xsensors, the results seem "plausible" |
| 20:37.01 | karsten | bzed: Gimmie serial consol and bios-to-serial any day. |
| 20:37.06 | tarzeau | karsten: at least they've got soundcards everywhere in |
| 20:37.12 | xixor | bzed: i.e. they are in the range of physically realizable temperatures |
| 20:37.14 | karsten | xixor: mobprobe lmsensors-implausible |
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| 20:37.28 | karsten | xixor: ... for some really bizarre values. |
| 20:37.29 | bzed | karsten: don't have such a little one ;) but setting bios settings via remote console rocks :D |
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| 20:37.50 | xixor | karsten: ha ha |
| 20:37.59 | fdfdf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.10 | bzed | xixor: haha, lucky you. sometime it jsut decides to show 2^16 as temperature :D |
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| 20:38.26 | tarzeau | fdfdf: just remove the memory you don't want to give it? |
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| 20:38.39 | Mark17 | hello |
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| 20:39.02 | alexIdoia | Is there a possibility to mount mac volume ? |
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| 20:39.15 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: hfs? hfs+? ufs? |
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| 20:39.23 | bzed | fdfdf: memory ius usually not limited |
| 20:39.33 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: last time i did hfs(don't remember which). it didn't work after 5 minutes anymore |
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| 20:39.50 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: what I really meant was to connect to a mac via the network |
| 20:39.51 | bzed | alexIdoia: I think only read only support is reliable |
| 20:39.56 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: but that was mklinux with some really old linux kernel. however i'm not sure they progressed much |
| 20:40.00 | Mark17 | how can i look for a file when i only know the directory the file is located and i know a word in the content off the file (it can also be a subdirectory off the directory i think it will be in, for example i know it is somewhere in /home/username, but i don't know that it is in reality in /home/username/directory) |
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| 20:40.08 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: ah yeah that's possible of course |
| 20:40.23 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: how ? I don't see the mac on the network |
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| 20:40.27 | bzed | alexIdoia: jsut share the stuff on your mac via nfs or samba |
| 20:40.27 | LightKnight | Mark17: grep -R content * |
| 20:40.33 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: look on the mac what ip it has? |
| 20:40.49 | xixor | bzed: going to compile a kernel now and see if the temperature increases |
| 20:40.57 | bzed | LightKnight: that could miss hidden files |
| 20:41.08 | LightKnight | Hrm. |
| 20:41.11 | bzed | Mark17: grep -r content /dir/the/stuff/is/in |
| 20:41.15 | josh415 | you can also use "netatalk" with AFP & tcp. |
| 20:41.16 | LightKnight | Mark17: grep -R content *; grep -R content .* |
| 20:41.18 | LightKnight | :-) |
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| 20:41.24 | bzed | LightKnight: no |
| 20:41.30 | bzed | LightKnight: that'll run grep in . and .. |
| 20:41.32 | Mark17 | thank you |
| 20:41.38 | bzed | LightKnight: you want to avoid .. |
| 20:41.39 | LightKnight | Hrm. |
| 20:42.01 | dreamlinux | :(.. no body.. now.. the answer?¿ |
| 20:42.10 | bzed | grep -r content .[^.]* if you really want to LightKnight |
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| 20:42.23 | bzed | LightKnight: but the best way is just to use the directory |
| 20:42.45 | cwheeler | where do i find nvidia-kernel-1.0.9746? |
| 20:42.57 | bzed | alexIdoia: you could isntall netatalk on your linux box, but that's not trivial |
| 20:43.01 | tarzeau | chii: i've got a copy of it here |
| 20:43.07 | LightKnight | bzed: thanks :) |
| 20:43.08 | bzed | !tell cwheeler about experimental |
| 20:43.13 | justin | nononono |
| 20:43.16 | justin | grep -r content . |
| 20:43.29 | justin | do we need to have the discussion about -r with * again? P-P |
| 20:43.38 | bzed | justin: that's the same as /some/dir ;) |
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| 20:43.52 | justin | bzed: . is less typing |
| 20:43.52 | tarzeau | cwheeler: http://debian.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/ |
| 20:43.56 | dreamlinux | (bodys.. i have a questions.. for yours... mm my problem is whit the file "/var/lib/dpkg/status") in the system all the packages figurate. ¡no installed! |
| 20:44.24 | chops | bzed: Plus, what if you happen to have a file called "--and-feel-free-to-delete-some-files-while-you're-at-it"? |
| 20:44.24 | archville | cwheeler, nvidia website is the best source |
| 20:44.29 | bzed | alexIdoia: sharing the stuff from the mac via nfs or smb is the easiest way, or just use scp |
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| 20:44.58 | tarzeau | archville: sometimes even best sources go down. or just are too slow for a lot of computers |
| 20:45.01 | bzed | chops: uh? I didn not suggest to use * |
| 20:45.08 | slava | i tried searching for a howto on setting up a 'submission' server with postfix; couldn't find one |
| 20:45.19 | cwheeler | archville I had it working on another machine with the .deb packages |
| 20:45.24 | slava | basically i want to authenticate via ssl or something and be able to send e-mail from my home box, via my server |
| 20:45.41 | chops | bzed: Oh, sorry -- I meant LightKnight |
| 20:46.07 | archville | tarzeau, well, you are right about that :) |
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| 20:46.15 | LightKnight | chops: too many edge cases <g> :-))) |
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| 20:46.59 | bzed | chops: and even if the file would have this name - all you'd get is an error from grep. I can't think of any way to do bad things by creating files with weird names... |
| 20:47.26 | chops | bzed: Not to grep, no |
| 20:48.03 | bzed | slava: google for postfix auth. will find things like http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/ |
| 20:48.03 | chops | bzed: rm can get you in trouble, though |
| 20:48.13 | slava | bzed: thanks. |
| 20:48.27 | bzed | chops: if you create a file called / it'd be expanded to \/ by bash imho |
| 20:48.31 | ZeeO | can some one help me setup pure-ftpd-mysql i have installed it /etc/init.d/pure-ftp-mysql start don't seem to start |
| 20:48.32 | ZeeO | it |
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| 20:48.35 | ZeeO | when i run by hand |
| 20:48.40 | bzed | chops: same for other weird things if I'm not all wrong |
| 20:48.49 | chops | bzed: Basically I just wanted the chance to tell the funny story about the guy who tried to remove a file called '-f' by saying "rm -i *" |
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| 20:48.59 | dkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.01 | ZeeO | i can get it to run but can't seem find good logs |
| 20:49.09 | ZeeO | to see y i can't login |
| 20:49.15 | ZeeO | seems like i can't connect to mysql mayb |
| 20:49.19 | chops | bzed: Nope. You can't create a file with slashes in the name, but everything else gets passed into the argument list untouched |
| 20:49.48 | tarzeau | anyone read this? http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_001 |
| 20:49.50 | bzed | dkr: true. but evey other bash stuff is pretty ok |
| 20:49.59 | chops | bzed: Try touch --version; gcc -* for example |
| 20:50.21 | bzed | chops: true, that'll work |
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| 20:50.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: read what about it ? |
| 20:50.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: the platforms |
| 20:50.50 | bzed | tarzeau: well.. same thing as usual, what's so special with it? |
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| 20:51.12 | nothing | is there a reason why i don't have a /dev/dsp file? |
| 20:51.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: i like luther's :) |
| 20:51.44 | archville | nothing, modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
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| 20:53.06 | dreamlinux | archville: try modprobe -a -v "name_module" |
| 20:53.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha |
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| 20:54.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: i guess sam and steve would be my favourites. i'll have to read 7,8,9 still |
| 20:54.21 | debianluv | are they're any memory limitations using debian, i need a linux server with like 8gb RAM to run a VMSERVER and was curious if there were any limitations. I was told the redhat solution we currently have, had limits, so i just wanted to doublecheck before i gave them a definitive yes. and if not is there some documentation i can use to back this up with. |
| 20:54.23 | dual-man | sorry, missed the part on modprobing for my sound can someone repeat? |
| 20:54.50 | dual-man | i don't have /dev/dsp |
| 20:55.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: i think sam would do very good to debian and its users |
| 20:55.43 | valdyn | debianluv: that's a function of your kernel, debian ships no kernel with highmem64 ( not sure if that was the right config option ) enabled |
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| 20:56.33 | archville | dual-man, try modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
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| 20:57.09 | dual-man | archville ok, anything else? |
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| 20:57.16 | valdyn | debianluv: etch+ do though |
| 20:57.17 | archville | dual-man, no |
| 20:57.18 | debianluv | what is the default greatest support by default valdyn |
| 20:57.41 | dual-man | archville, still nothing |
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| 20:57.53 | dreamlinux | (dual-man, try modprobe snd_pcm_oss) with the option -a -v |
| 20:58.00 | dual-man | i have /dev/audio, what is that? |
| 20:58.04 | dreamlinux | for view the "stdout" |
| 20:58.10 | archville | at least it worked for me to have /dev/dsp and play quake 3 with sound |
| 20:58.15 | valdyn | debianluv: the default limit is 1G, smp kernels support highmem (4G), bigmem kernels ( highmem64 ) support up to 64G |
| 20:58.16 | mike__ | okay when ubuntu boots, it seems too load some sort of framebuffer device and change the font into some small like VGA font... How do i fix this so it just keeps the normal console, and console fonts some what like what i would see with a msdos shell |
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| 20:58.48 | dual-man | dreamlinux still nothing |
| 20:58.49 | valdyn | debianluv: all that is assuming you use i386 |
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| 20:58.54 | mike__ | i have seen stuff in the /boot/config-kernel-generic file, but theres a lil message saying auto generated, do not edit.... |
| 20:59.05 | archville | mike__, /boot/grub/grub.lst there should be an "vga=mode" appended to the grub line, remove it with care |
| 20:59.05 | FelipeSouza | Are possible make a initrd or initial ramdisk read-write without the use of unionfs or aufs? |
| 20:59.18 | dreamlinux | dual-ma: ok... lets.. see... |
| 20:59.24 | debianluv | yeah thanks valdyn thats what i needed to know |
| 20:59.30 | debianluv | debian will be a perfect solution. |
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| 20:59.52 | archville | mike__, ups, i mean /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:00.03 | valdyn | debianluv: i don't know redhat, just cant imagine they have no highmem64 support to this day |
| 21:00.04 | dreamlinux | dual-man: what sound card have you? |
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| 21:00.20 | dual-man | soundblaster live |
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| 21:00.27 | elshaa_ | hi |
| 21:00.30 | Alex | http://rafb.net/p/fAqU3n91.html <-- anyone got any idea what I can do to fix that? :) |
| 21:00.37 | archville | The kernel you boot should be there in a line like: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=791 |
| 21:00.46 | debianluv | yeah im not big on RH, its what they already had, so im looking to move away from it |
| 21:00.49 | archville | Just remove the "vga=791" part. |
| 21:00.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: too many familiar faces i guess .. wouter might be good |
| 21:01.29 | elshaa_ | What do you think is the easiest way to change the group of elements that belong to group "xxx" ? |
| 21:01.29 | dkr | Richter has the best platform |
| 21:01.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: maybe |
| 21:01.48 | valdyn | elshaa_: 'elements' ? |
| 21:02.01 | elshaa_ | valdyn: files / directory... |
| 21:02.03 | FelipeSouza | Are possible to make a "initrd" or "initial ramdisk" read-write without the use of unionfs or aufs? |
| 21:02.08 | mike__ | hmm, odd im not vga=anything there... |
| 21:02.26 | debianluv | thanks valdyn time to go back to work. later |
| 21:02.31 | dkr | abrotman: that's wh he is labelled number 1? (seems a bit odd to number a nomination list like that) |
| 21:02.41 | valdyn | elshaa_: what would make them belong to that group? |
| 21:03.01 | abrotman | dkr: just first nominated AFAIK |
| 21:03.01 | elshaa_ | valdyn: the gid. |
| 21:03.06 | mike__ | also when i boot, the fancy spashscreen is like cut and paste all over my screen, best i can figure im running in the wrong video mode for it... |
| 21:03.13 | FelipeSouza | Sorry, by the repetition, i wrote in the wrong place the second msg |
| 21:03.22 | dual-man | must i download special driver to get soundblaster live to work with debian |
| 21:03.22 | valdyn | elshaa_: find can do this |
| 21:03.30 | elshaa_ | k |
| 21:03.37 | dreamlinux | dual-man: mm.. but.. wich soundblaster...? 128 ?¿? |
| 21:03.59 | archville | mike__, ¿ debian ? |
| 21:04.03 | dual-man | 5.1 |
| 21:04.11 | dreamlinux | ok |
| 21:04.19 | mike__ | whops in the wrong channel lol |
| 21:04.20 | dreamlinux | wait... |
| 21:04.25 | mike__ | no, im running ubuntu |
| 21:04.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: what about anthony? |
| 21:04.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: after this year? i'd rather see my mom as DPL :) |
| 21:04.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha i knew it! |
| 21:04.50 | dual-man | i'm also having difficulty getting my kde installation to work |
| 21:04.52 | archville | mike__, maybe a package like "usplash" is installed by default, that's what to remove to get rid of the bootsplash thing |
| 21:04.54 | dreamlinux | dual-man: wich is your kernel?¿ |
| 21:05.03 | dual-man | 2.6 |
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| 21:05.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: but i'm not a DD .. my opinion doesn't matter |
| 21:05.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes it does. you just can't vote |
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| 21:05.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: debian cares about its users |
| 21:05.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: users can manipulate dds |
| 21:05.49 | dkr | heh, nice way to put it |
| 21:06.09 | Flimzy | Can anyone tell me if syslinux (well, extlinux really, but the answer is probably the same for both) will accept multiple APPEND= lines? |
| 21:06.12 | dual-man | x10: fatal IO error 104 connection reset by peer on x server :0:0 |
| 21:06.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: haha .. you wish |
| 21:06.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: cookies and cakes *hint* |
| 21:06.36 | Flimzy | I have a *really long* APPEND line, and it would be more readable if I put it on multiple lines, but they all need to apply to the same kernel commandline.. |
| 21:07.01 | dreamlinux | ok |
| 21:07.06 | mike__ | also, if i do a lsmod after boot up, i got framebuffer kernel mods loaded into memory |
| 21:07.07 | Flimzy | I guess I can just test it and see, huh? |
| 21:07.27 | dreamlinux | dual-man: you have.. the support for this soundcard |
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| 21:08.37 | szarak | c00lfon: hi, hi |
| 21:08.57 | dual-man | dreamlinux: why don't i have the /dev/dsp file? |
| 21:09.16 | dual-man | i'm very confused with the /dev part of linux, |
| 21:09.24 | szarak | c00lfon: you had time to browse all users on channel? :P |
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| 21:10.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you know the skinnerbox? |
| 21:10.40 | willywoo | anyone know how to reconfigure alsa? I had a crash, rebooted, restarted asla (as root) but no good |
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| 21:11.24 | dreamlinux | dual-man: try whit this modprobe -a -v snd-ens1371 |
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| 21:12.49 | dual-man | dreamlinux: it returned a line of text, but still no /dev/dsp |
| 21:13.03 | stew | dual-man: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 21:13.23 | dreamlinux | dual-man: after that ejecute: update-modules && cat /etc/modules | grep -i snd* |
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| 21:13.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: nope |
| 21:14.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: try wikipedia |
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| 21:14.09 | mike__ | okay when ubuntu boots up, just before i get a login: prompt it Switchs the console font gets changed to something else, hardly readable... How do i disable this "Feature" |
| 21:14.22 | Ankman | what's the shortcut to attach a file in emacs (gnus) to a mail? |
| 21:14.25 | Rydekull | !ubuntu |
| 21:14.25 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 21:14.25 | stew | mike__: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:14.43 | Ankman | !emacs |
| 21:14.44 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 21:14.50 | Ankman | !gnus |
| 21:14.51 | dpkg | i heard gnus is the maddest message mangler that ever slurped mail spooled, yo mama uses it, and yo daddy uses it, and yo sistah is all up in that gnus, or like < jesdynf> caphuso: I want an NNTP client, not a battleship with a newsstand. |
| 21:14.56 | stew | Ankman: please /msg the bot |
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| 21:15.04 | dual-man | dreamlinux: update-modules: no such command |
| 21:15.05 | Ankman | k |
| 21:15.31 | jhonn | hello guys, someone knows where download or source for php5-mysqli package??... |
| 21:15.39 | dreamlinux | dual-man: lets talk in private mode?¿ |
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| 21:16.11 | dual-man | k |
| 21:16.25 | tarzeau | jhonn: you mean php5-mysql ? |
| 21:16.51 | jhonn | tarzeau: no php5-mysqli ... with "i" |
| 21:16.53 | rpc | did anyone notice problems with vsftpd or proftpd on Etch? |
| 21:17.01 | tarzeau | jhonn: what is it supposed to be? |
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| 21:17.07 | stew | jhonn: dotdeb.org has them but their packages are notoriously buggy |
| 21:17.08 | abrotman | !qotd153 |
| 21:17.08 | tarzeau | rpc: what kind of? tried bts? |
| 21:17.08 | dpkg | qotd153 is probably <asg> abrotman: yes, I'm waiting for the german scat collection myself |
| 21:17.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not much of a fan |
| 21:17.18 | archville | !info exaile |
| 21:17.23 | dpkg | exaile: (flexible audio player, similar to Amarok, but written in GTK+), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.8+debian-1 (sid), Packaged size: 295 kB, Installed size: 1392 kB |
| 21:17.39 | rpc | tarzeau i can't upload anymore... it just timeouts right after creating a file and sending first 512 bytes |
| 21:17.39 | jhonn | tarzeau: because TUTOS... need mysqli to run properly |
| 21:17.41 | archville | It is possible to install it in Etch ? |
| 21:17.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: of a skinnerbox. the wikipedia entry (at least the english one) is missing something very important |
| 21:17.52 | rpc | tarzeau what is bts? |
| 21:18.02 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 21:18.02 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:18.07 | rpc | oh |
| 21:18.09 | tarzeau | rpc: did you change kernel or anything? |
| 21:18.21 | tarzeau | jhonn: i don't know what mysqli or TUTOS is |
| 21:18.25 | rpc | tarzeau well i didn't |
| 21:18.40 | rpc | tarzeau i mean i have 3 diff kernels but they all worked fine before |
| 21:18.53 | jhonn | tarzeau: mysqli is an extension of php |
| 21:18.56 | dual-man | dreamlinux: how come u don't answer back? |
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| 21:19.22 | dreamlinux | dual-man: you can see what I write to you?¿ |
| 21:19.23 | rpc | tarzeau i can download, create dirs, delete.. just no upload works anymore, like it was blocked by firewall or anything like tat |
| 21:19.26 | rpc | that* |
| 21:19.40 | dual-man | dreamlinux: no |
| 21:19.41 | dreamlinux | dual-man: in private mode i mean ?¿ |
| 21:19.52 | dual-man | how can i test sound from command prompt |
| 21:19.57 | dreamlinux | mm... strange.. |
| 21:20.11 | dreamlinux | dual-man give a moment please! |
| 21:20.15 | tarzeau | dual-man: with opencubicplayer for example |
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| 21:22.04 | Danielss89 | look at this: http://potterskolen.dk/infobanner.php?brugernavn=Danielss89 and http://pottersiden.dk/infobanner.php?brugernavn=Danielss89 (user: dpn and pass: dpn) <-- i dont get why it works on the second domain but not the first one.. they're hosted on the same server, and its the same file.. |
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| 21:23.33 | filipe_ | How can I get emacs to highlight user defined types like typedefs? |
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| 21:24.25 | ZeeO | !pure-ftpd-mysql |
| 21:24.25 | bzed | Danielss89: look into the webserver's log |
| 21:24.55 | Danielss89 | no errors |
| 21:24.57 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: ask #emacs |
| 21:25.30 | bzed | Danielss89: you want to debug the php then ;) |
| 21:26.09 | bzed | Danielss89: is it a different virtual host? probably you need to change php's memory limit |
| 21:26.20 | Danielss89 | no its the same host.. |
| 21:26.47 | dual-man | i can't start xserver because of a while list of could not init font path element |
| 21:26.52 | bzed | Danielss89: same virtual host, too? |
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| 21:27.25 | c00lfon | szarak, Unfortunately not, but I've seen that You join. ;) |
| 21:27.29 | Danielss89 | yeås |
| 21:27.35 | Danielss89 | yeps bzed.. |
| 21:27.38 | bzed | hmm |
| 21:27.56 | bzed | then it sounds like you want to add some debug statements to that php code ;) |
| 21:28.23 | cwheeler | how do i get glxgears to print fps, there's no manpage? |
| 21:28.26 | Knight_Lord | abrotman not much luck |
| 21:28.41 | tarzeau | cwheeler: haha :) |
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| 21:29.24 | bzed | cwheeler: just start it from a terminal, it'll print it there |
| 21:29.33 | tarzeau | bzed: no more! |
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| 21:30.10 | cwheeler | i did and it didn't |
| 21:30.19 | bzed | tarzeau: uh? my version here does it |
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| 21:30.52 | tarzeau | bzed: dpkg -l mesa-utils ? |
| 21:30.53 | cwheeler | it got changed i believe, used to |
| 21:31.01 | tarzeau | cwheeler: yeah it was changed :) |
| 21:31.02 | bzed | tarzeau: ah, it's from experimental :P |
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| 21:31.22 | bzed | cwheeler: 6.5.2-3 does it again ;) |
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| 21:31.54 | Intensity_ | I'm trying to get sound working on etch. I ran 'init 2' manually so I want to make sure that all daemons and modules are loaded correctly. It was working earlier. I am able to adjust the mixer, but I do not get any sound output. There is a builtin sound device and also the PCI Soundblaster Audigy. I want to use the Audigy. But so far I am not getting any output. I can faintly hear sound through motherboard outputs. And also only one /d |
| 21:31.59 | cwheeler | now it segfaults i guess cause i'm in the middle of installing nvidia stuff |
| 21:32.17 | tarzeau | Intensity_: tried using dsp1 ? |
| 21:32.37 | Intensity_ | tarzeau: I try to cat something > /dev/dsp1 and hear nothing. |
| 21:32.43 | dreamlinux | dual-man: you still here?¿ |
| 21:32.46 | tarzeau | Intensity_: did you change the right mixer? |
| 21:33.15 | Intensity_ | tarzeau: I noticed that there were three mixer settings that I could change. I changed all three, and set the current device to the Audigy. |
| 21:33.47 | Intensity_ | tarzeau: Yet, I'm not sure how the mixer application registers the change as to the current device. I wouldn't think that it would change /dev/dsp, but instead would relay the information onto a running daemon, which may not be running. |
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| 21:34.46 | Intensity_ | tarzeau: I tried doing /etc/init.d/alsa reload - also. |
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| 21:36.22 | tarzeau | on his cheapo logitech speakers |
| 21:36.22 | dreamlinux | guys.. i have a problem.. whit my user.. i forget how to register a nick |
| 21:36.22 | dreamlinux | jeje sorry |
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| 21:36.52 | jeward | How can two up to date debian sarge boxes have different versions of rsync? |
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| 21:37.00 | Intensity_ | I have 'nasd' running and listening on port 8000. |
| 21:37.00 | efaistos | hi |
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| 21:37.19 | tarzeau | jeward: which version does it have? |
| 21:37.21 | efaistos | what is the package for flash and iceweasel ? |
| 21:37.33 | tarzeau | efaistos: flash gordon? |
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| 21:37.39 | jeward | tarzeau: One has 2.6.4 and the other has 2.6.9. |
| 21:37.55 | tarzeau | jeward: look at packages.debian.org/rsync |
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| 21:38.11 | nn-rtop | hi |
| 21:38.12 | efaistos | tarzeau: seriously .. |
| 21:38.21 | tarzeau | efaistos: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:38.41 | tarzeau | efaistos: but read wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC and give the wanted details, which debian do you have? |
| 21:39.22 | jeward | tarzeau: Ah, some are running etch. |
| 21:40.16 | efaistos | tarzeau: testing with some pkgs from sid |
| 21:40.25 | Intensity_ | In kernel message I have "ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:1b.o disabled' and same for '0000:01:01.0'. These are the sound devices. I passed 'irqpoll' on the command line. |
| 21:40.32 | tarzeau | efaistos: nice. i wouldn't mix |
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| 21:42.43 | efaistos | tarzeau: just some pkgs i'm in testing otherwise |
| 21:43.11 | tarzeau | efaistos: mix is mix, even if it's just one package |
| 21:43.13 | efaistos | tarzeau: can you get the iphone videos on iceweasel working ? |
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| 21:43.28 | tarzeau | efaistos: no the flashplayer of adobe is bullshit quality software |
| 21:43.37 | szarak | c00lfon: hmm, nice catch ;) |
| 21:43.39 | tarzeau | efaistos: not that mozilla is any better, same shit |
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| 21:44.01 | myren | i'm trying to install libxcb1-dev but libxcb0-dev has conflicting files. i marked libxcb0-dev for deleting in aptitude, but when i tell aptitude to install, it doesnt remove libxcb0-dev before trying to install libxcb1-dev |
| 21:44.06 | myren | what the fuck do i do now? :/ |
| 21:44.06 | efaistos | tarzeau: i saw some pkgs dont know the name anymore about video in iceweasel ... |
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| 21:44.16 | efaistos | to see videos i mean |
| 21:44.22 | efaistos | s/see/watch/ |
| 21:44.23 | tarzeau | efaistos: i don't like iceweasel, don't ask me |
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| 21:44.30 | efaistos | tarzeau: me too |
| 21:44.33 | tarzeau | efaistos: i use a web browser for browsing the web |
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| 21:44.36 | tarzeau | efaistos: then don't use it |
| 21:44.44 | efaistos | tarzeau: what do you use then ? |
| 21:44.50 | tarzeau | efaistos: links2 -g |
| 21:44.59 | efaistos | :) |
| 21:45.01 | stew | myren: what happens if you just run "aptitude remove libxcb0-dev"? |
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| 21:45.26 | myren | stew: i did not know aptitude could be invoked like that |
| 21:45.39 | tarzeau | but aptitude can't do all that apt-get can |
| 21:45.56 | tarzeau | some guy at work made an alias apt-get=aptitutde ... yuck |
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| 21:46.08 | myren | apt-get remove seems to require me to manually name every package taht would have to be removed |
| 21:46.25 | Alex | RobHu: :) |
| 21:46.37 | stew | myren: or try "aptitude install libxcb0-dev- libxcb1-dev" |
| 21:46.37 | RobHu | Is there a way to get apt-get install to give more information about what it is doing? an apt-get install seems to fail with a confusing error message. |
| 21:46.50 | tarzeau | RobHu: -u |
| 21:46.56 | stew | RobHu: show us the command you are running and the error message |
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| 21:46.58 | RobHu | thanks tarzeau |
| 21:47.08 | RobHu | Actually I'm asking on behalf of Alex who may have already explained :) |
| 21:47.14 | Alex | stew: http://rafb.net/p/fAqU3n91.html <-- is the section in question |
| 21:47.14 | RobHu | but if not, Alex please do :) |
| 21:47.14 | myren | aptitude remove libxcb0-dev is trying to do the same stuff as when i tried through the gui |
| 21:47.25 | myren | its not removing libxcb0-dev before installing libxcb1-dev |
| 21:47.35 | RobHu | tarzeau: This is on a minimal sarge install recently updated to etch |
| 21:47.35 | myren | i guess i just need to tell it to stop installing libxcb1-dev |
| 21:47.36 | tarzeau | myren: and you're on what? debian? |
| 21:47.42 | myren | debian unstable |
| 21:47.53 | tarzeau | RobHu: was the update to etch succesfully completed? |
| 21:47.57 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 21:47.58 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:48.04 | RobHu | tarzeau: Yes it went fine |
| 21:48.12 | rpc | is there anything wrong in running 686 kernel on Etch and AMD64 cpu? |
| 21:48.13 | tarzeau | myren: sometimes dpkg --force-all is funny |
| 21:48.22 | tarzeau | rpc: no |
| 21:48.31 | rpc | tarzeau is it a better choice than k7 kernel? |
| 21:48.37 | rpc | for X2 amd |
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| 21:48.53 | tarzeau | rpc: i don't think so |
| 21:48.56 | myren | dpkg: i'd have to manually download libxcb0-dev first. i nearly tried that. ;) |
| 21:48.58 | rpc | so k7? |
| 21:49.01 | myren | err, tarzeau |
| 21:49.02 | tarzeau | rpc: i'd even build my own k8 kernels |
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| 21:49.12 | tarzeau | rpc: using kernel-package |
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| 21:49.18 | rpc | tarzeau i think i will have to... |
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| 21:49.28 | RobHu | tarzeau: apt-get install -u postfix didn't give any more information, are we using the flag correctly? |
| 21:49.31 | tarzeau | myren: no just get rid of what's causing problems, then use apt-get again |
| 21:49.32 | rpc | tarzeau it's a remote box and i'm kind of scared though |
| 21:49.44 | tarzeau | RobHu: add -V maybe. i have no idea what information you want |
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| 21:49.51 | dreamlinux | dual-man: are you there body?¿ |
| 21:49.55 | tarzeau | RobHu: -u shows all upgraded packages. -V the versions |
| 21:50.06 | tarzeau | rpc: i'm not scared... :) |
| 21:50.11 | RobHu | we're doing apt-get install postfix |
| 21:50.16 | tarzeau | rpc: if you want you can give me the ip, username and password. i'll do it |
| 21:50.19 | RobHu | and it is almost finishing then saying |
| 21:50.20 | RobHu | Not creating home directory `/var/spool/postfix'. |
| 21:50.25 | RobHu | Then you get error 128 |
| 21:50.25 | rpc | tarzeau do you know a really good and verified place where i can master the process of building custom kernels for debian? that just work after reboot that is ;) |
| 21:50.57 | tarzeau | rpc: keep doing it, and you'll find out :) mine is here: |
| 21:51.02 | myren | dear libxcb0-dev, get your god damned ass out of my system |
| 21:51.04 | rpc | tarzeau i wish i could let you do it but that way i won't learn much |
| 21:51.09 | myren | bollocks, that did not work either |
| 21:51.10 | tarzeau | rpc: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.20/ |
| 21:51.28 | rpc | tarzeau thanks alot, i will surely have a good look in there :) |
| 21:51.47 | rpc | tarzeau hmm... i just realised that i could setup a virtual machine and try there first |
| 21:51.51 | tarzeau | rpc: the kernel config, make menuconfig are a good start |
| 21:51.58 | tarzeau | rpc: i'm doing them without initrd |
| 21:52.10 | rpc | tarzeau yeah i read you, i'm just not sure about initrd crap |
| 21:52.39 | rpc | this is the only problem i'm having |
| 21:52.57 | rpc | i suspect that this ftp problem has to do with kernel in some way... decided to cut it today |
| 21:53.00 | tarzeau | rpc: debian makes initrd kernels. and i don't. and you can do either |
| 21:53.08 | tarzeau | rpc: you run iptables? |
| 21:53.21 | rpc | yes i use iptables |
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| 21:54.17 | tarzeau | rpc: tried turning it off? |
| 21:54.24 | rpc | yes, didn't help |
| 21:54.31 | tarzeau | rpc: tried sniffing? |
| 21:54.31 | rpc | i suspected it was about firewall but no |
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| 21:54.35 | rpc | hm nope |
| 21:54.43 | tarzeau | rpc: wait you say ftp? greycat has a great story about ftp on his wiki |
| 21:54.54 | rpc | yah i know ftp sucks :) |
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| 21:55.12 | tarzeau | rpc: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie you've read it? |
| 21:55.23 | rpc | yes, i quote it often here myself lol |
| 21:55.33 | tarzeau | rpc: heh. why not use scp or rsync then? |
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| 21:55.45 | rpc | still you can't make some people stick to sftp... that's the main reason why i need to run ftpd there |
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| 21:56.03 | tarzeau | rpc: change your people :) |
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| 21:56.17 | rpc | it takes time :) |
| 21:58.05 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:58.05 | dpkg | < quadrata> debiant: well, I want to run aol on debian, but my cd only works in windows < quadrata> I'll brb, I gotta get some fruitcake. Hope you guys will help me with the aol soon. |
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| 22:01.28 | ljlolel | my apt is broken. one package keeps failing whether I install or remove |
| 22:01.37 | rpc | tarzeau hm i will try local ftp connection, wonder what happens then |
| 22:01.49 | rpc | swapping kernel didn't help btw |
| 22:01.52 | tarzeau | ljlolel: sid? which pkg? which msg? |
| 22:01.53 | rpc | this is really odd. |
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| 22:02.05 | ljlolel | so I can install nothing |
| 22:02.08 | tarzeau | rpc: i'd play some nethack, save and go to bed |
| 22:02.30 | RobHu | I think this is failing during the configure stage. Is there a way to get apt-get to be more verbose at that stage? |
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| 22:02.40 | ljlolel | firestarter |
| 22:03.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I see which GCC version the kernel was compiled with, and make a shell script (the nvidia blob installer) use it? |
| 22:03.53 | rpc | tarzeau he he |
| 22:04.00 | ljlolel | invoke-rc.d: initscript firestarter, action "start" failed. |
| 22:04.00 | ljlolel | dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 22:04.00 | ljlolel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.10 | rpc | tarzeau well i have more funny problems to solve tonight so i won't |
| 22:04.40 | rpc | tarzeau can you imagine 8mbit tcp xfer on 100mbit lan? while udp test shows 97mbit |
| 22:04.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello? |
| 22:04.52 | rpc | and i have NO idea wtf is wrong |
| 22:04.54 | RobHu | I suggested Debian to someone, he has tried it, and within 10 minutes postfix won't install. Can anyone here help please? I would really appreciate it, if only because this is giving a very bad impression of Debian. |
| 22:05.31 | tarzeau | rpc: nfs? or any tcp? |
| 22:05.33 | rpc | tarzeau try me and tell me what didn't i try to change to make it working :) |
| 22:05.36 | tarzeau | rpc: tried another cable? nic? |
| 22:05.41 | rpc | any, tested with iperf |
| 22:05.50 | rpc | udp says max, tcp sucks ass |
| 22:06.01 | rpc | yes, tried diff cables and nics |
| 22:06.04 | tarzeau | !postfix |
| 22:06.04 | dpkg | it has been said that postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
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| 22:06.10 | tarzeau | RobHu: it's the users fault, not debians |
| 22:06.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me out? Sorry for nagging. |
| 22:06.19 | tarzeau | RobHu: there's documentation on it, read it |
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| 22:06.28 | RobHu | Yeah, it's the users fault that apt-get install postfix results in error 128 |
| 22:06.37 | RobHu | No, it's a fault with the packages |
| 22:06.42 | rpc | tarzeau i played with MTU, window size, whatever... clueless now |
| 22:06.42 | tarzeau | RobHu: you were talking about not being able to configure it |
| 22:06.50 | tarzeau | RobHu: is this stable? |
| 22:06.57 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 22:06.57 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 22:07.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Hey |
| 22:07.09 | RobHu | Had you read what Alex posted earlier you would know we haven't tried to manually configure it, it is that that appears to be the stage during the package installation that it fails. |
| 22:07.14 | tarzeau | rpc: are you sure it can't be a hardware issue? |
| 22:07.38 | rpc | tarzeau yes i'm sure because the other box is virtual and using same physical interface |
| 22:07.38 | tarzeau | RobHu: nice, but which version of postfix are we talking about? |
| 22:07.55 | rpc | tarzeau while the host can easily push/pull 100mbit, tested already |
| 22:08.08 | RobHu | whatever is the version with etch |
| 22:08.18 | RobHu | This is out of the box stuff pretty much |
| 22:08.18 | Alex | RobHu: .../postfix_2.3.6-1_i386.deb, so 2.3.6-1, I'd imagine. |
| 22:08.19 | tarzeau | RobHu: and you know that etch isn't stable |
| 22:08.21 | ljlolel | how do i "reset" apt? |
| 22:08.27 | rpc | tarzeau virtual box networking is done via bridge.. could it be the issue? |
| 22:08.29 | tarzeau | look you can't complain about packages that are not stable, and then blame others |
| 22:08.32 | RobHu | Oh come on, you can't play that game. |
| 22:08.37 | RobHu | etch is damn stable |
| 22:08.45 | RobHu | It hasn't got the 'stable' tag |
| 22:08.46 | tarzeau | no it's testing. damn! |
| 22:08.48 | RobHu | thats true |
| 22:08.52 | rpc | RobHu hm... not here |
| 22:09.06 | RobHu | but the fact is that you try to act high and mighty yet you didn't even bother to read what this user (Alex) posted here |
| 22:09.06 | rpc | RobHu having strange issues with networking and such on etch |
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| 22:09.49 | RobHu | etch isn't perfect, nor is stable. We didn't ask for it to be, we asked if anyone knew what the cause was, and then we asked if there was a way to get more information out during the install so we could see why it failed |
| 22:09.53 | rpc | i'm sure that going back to sarge would sort out those problems but i don't want to yet... |
| 22:10.14 | tarzeau | i can only point you to BTS |
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| 22:10.31 | RobHu | Which is quite a reasonable request. If your answers are a) Use stable or b) RTFM noob then what the hell are you doing answering questions in #debian? You might as well be replaced with a bot. |
| 22:10.35 | tarzeau | you can edit the post/pre install/remove scripts |
| 22:11.01 | tarzeau | RobHu: just because i don't bother to help you, doesn't mean i act likewise to everyone |
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| 22:11.04 | RobHu | Is there a way to get it to print out what it is running from the post / pre install scripts as it does it (for instance)? |
| 22:11.07 | tarzeau | RobHu: stop feeling special |
| 22:11.11 | RobHu | ! |
| 22:11.20 | tarzeau | RobHu: yes it is, i just said so a sentence earlier |
| 22:11.22 | rpc | what i really need right now is Tina Turner's song... Two Distros or something |
| 22:11.31 | tarzeau | you complain about being not read, and then you don't yourself |
| 22:11.31 | rpc | oh wait, Two People it's named lol |
| 22:11.53 | tarzeau | RobHu: you can add -x to most shellscripts to be verbose. know where they are? |
| 22:11.57 | rpc | then i need alot of green tea and i will be done till the early morning... |
| 22:12.02 | RobHu | no I dont know |
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| 22:12.31 | rpc | two distros... living in the way they do... |
| 22:12.35 | rpc | mhmm nice song |
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| 22:12.58 | myren | hmm i fucking love green tea |
| 22:13.00 | myren | i drink so much tea |
| 22:13.04 | tarzeau | RobHu: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 22:13.04 | rpc | myren yesyes |
| 22:13.11 | rpc | myren i read you... 2 liters a day here :) |
| 22:13.12 | myren | i just poured another steeping of some magnolia/jasmine green tea |
| 22:13.14 | tarzeau | myren: hey me too! jasmine tea? |
| 22:13.16 | myren | err, ooline |
| 22:13.17 | rpc | and NO damn coffee |
| 22:13.19 | tarzeau | myren: or lemon and stuff? |
| 22:13.21 | myren | oolong |
| 22:13.48 | rpc | tarzeau try gun powder gtea |
| 22:13.49 | RobHu | tarzeau: thankyou |
| 22:13.55 | rpc | my fav |
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| 22:14.03 | myren | no lemon. this magnolia is about as flavored as i get |
| 22:14.08 | rpc | add some mint leafs too |
| 22:14.30 | rpc | and always remember NOT to use piping hot water on green tea... |
| 22:14.37 | rpc | you will kill it |
| 22:14.41 | x_link | Hi, can I add 1400x1200 in xorg.conf and then use it? |
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| 22:16.08 | vlt|home | Hello. I'm connected to the internet via pppoe (ppp0). I set up an OpenVPN tun device to another host (over default route ppp0). If I want to let all my traffic go through the vpn tunnel do I simply have to change the default route to tun0? What happens to the OpenVPN traffic then? |
| 22:16.18 | myren | http://teabirds.blogspot.com/ |
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| 22:16.30 | myren | hott |
| 22:16.45 | tarzeau | x_link: sure |
| 22:16.51 | tsurko | vlt|home, no, you have to push the route via OpenVPN config file |
| 22:16.56 | uptownben | Hi all. I'm trying to set something up and I wanted to know if anyone may have some advice for me. I want to install Debian on a 2GB CF card. as far as I know the install should work normally, the only problem is SWAP. I cant have a SWAP partition on my CF card becuase it will cause premature aging. doesanyone have any tips on how to set up or reconfigure debian not to use swap or to use a RAM disk for swap instead of the CF card/drive? |
| 22:17.00 | tarzeau | rpc: right! |
| 22:17.14 | rpc | tarzeau cheers :) |
| 22:17.21 | x_link | tarzeau: Ok. Just add --> restart X --> choose it, right? |
| 22:17.35 | tarzeau | x_link: choose it? |
| 22:17.40 | rpc | btw do you know of any issues with bridging? like a bridge may become a bottleneck or something? |
| 22:17.42 | hatter | uptownben: u may not need swap ? |
| 22:17.43 | x_link | tarzeau: Choose 1400x1200 |
| 22:17.43 | myren | x_link: worth a shot. :) |
| 22:17.50 | x_link | he yes. I will try now |
| 22:17.50 | myren | tarzeau: he's probably running gnome |
| 22:17.51 | tarzeau | x_link: ? choose it where? |
| 22:17.53 | hatter | uptownben: depends on howm uch ram you have |
| 22:17.55 | tarzeau | myren: what's that? |
| 22:17.57 | myren | in that case it is literally "just choose it" |
| 22:17.59 | centrx | lol |
| 22:18.06 | karsten | !u |
| 22:18.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:18.10 | uptownben | hatter: my machine (IBM X24) has 256MB RAM |
| 22:18.11 | x_link | tarzeau: After I added it in xorg.conf then I must choose the resolution in Control Center as well |
| 22:18.21 | tarzeau | x_link: control center? i've never heard that |
| 22:18.21 | rpc | uptownben X serie rocks! |
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| 22:18.31 | hatter | uptownben: then how many applications you will run, but swap on or off is decided by you with /etc/fstab |
| 22:18.34 | uptownben | dude this littel machin eis awsome |
| 22:18.38 | rpc | uptownben i'm going to get one too... my 3rd stinkpad :) |
| 22:18.45 | Flimzy | Eeep |
| 22:18.49 | Flimzy | I just accidentally overwrote my MBR |
| 22:18.53 | Flimzy | how do I reinstall grub :/ |
| 22:18.54 | x_link | I got a new video card, I had geforce 6150 128MB onboard before, 1280x1024 was good then. It's okey now as well. But with higher ones my desktop gets a bit bigger. |
| 22:18.54 | rpc | uptownben yesyes it rocks, so thin and so nice |
| 22:19.03 | tarzeau | Flimzy: www.linuks.mine.nu/grub/ |
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| 22:19.30 | rpc | uptownben i will make a dedicated ssh terminal out of it :) |
| 22:19.31 | x_link | tarzeau: I must go to K Menu --> Control Center --> Peripherals --> Display and choose the resolution. |
| 22:19.31 | uptownben | I wil probably have about 4 apps running |
| 22:19.32 | hatter | uptownben: and have u thought what apps you want to run ? |
| 22:19.32 | Flimzy | tarzeau: eh... |
| 22:19.52 | tarzeau | x_link: no i don't must. i do 1) 2) and then it works |
| 22:19.57 | rpc | ok it's time to fix the damned networking problem or die trying |
| 22:20.00 | tarzeau | x_link: your stuff is complicated |
| 22:20.10 | uptownben | probably firefox, RDP client, some programming tools |
| 22:20.11 | x_link | hmm ok |
| 22:20.26 | rpc | who wants my nick if i die tonight? |
| 22:20.30 | hatter | uptownben: so you wont' have a hard drive ? |
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| 22:20.40 | uptownben | the CF will be the hard drive.. |
| 22:20.47 | tarzeau | rpc: who will invite me to some excellent tea when you leave us? |
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| 22:20.53 | uptownben | in other words no mechanical HDD |
| 22:20.53 | dkr | rpc: don't die, my nfs mounts will freeze without rpc |
| 22:21.16 | rpc | tarzeau i will do it from the other world, where green tea tastes like heaven :) |
| 22:21.27 | rpc | dkr he he |
| 22:21.28 | hatter | uptownben: so you've answeered your own question ? you won' |
| 22:21.34 | hatter | 'have swap ?' |
| 22:21.45 | rpc | dkr you know how it is to push files at 8mbit on 100mbit lan? |
| 22:21.52 | uptownben | huh? |
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| 22:21.57 | uptownben | what do you mean? |
| 22:21.59 | claudio_ | hola |
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| 22:22.38 | uptownben | I asked how can I set up/configure debian to run with no swap on a CF card... |
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| 22:22.51 | tarzeau | uptownben: how much memory do you have? |
| 22:22.53 | hatter | uptownben: you dont want to use the cf card as swap, u have 256 RAM, u have apps you want to run, |
| 22:22.55 | uptownben | 256MB |
| 22:23.01 | tarzeau | uptownben: the etch installer allows installs w/o swap |
| 22:23.06 | rpc | anyone able to help me debug the shitty problem? iperf says 97mbit bandwidth with UDP test and 8mbit bw with TCP test... why is that and where do i look first? checked duplex already |
| 22:23.28 | hatter | uptownben: /etc/fstab decides if u run swap space or not, so u just dont make a swap partition |
| 22:23.32 | tarzeau | rpc: i don't know iperf. but i trust iptraf |
| 22:23.42 | dkr | rpc: any framer/carrier errors shown on ifconfig? |
| 22:23.45 | rpc | tarzeau oh it's a diff tool |
| 22:23.50 | x_link | tarzeau: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8132/ |
| 22:23.53 | rpc | dkr none |
| 22:23.54 | x_link | Can you take a look at that? |
| 22:24.05 | rpc | dkr it just works sweet, besides the speed i'm getting over tcp |
| 22:24.06 | uptownben | tarzeau: yes.. I saw that.. but does that mean it sets up a RAM disk for swap or something else.. or willmy machine just crash ofter I open a few apps? |
| 22:24.09 | x_link | I have so many lines with the same resolutions, can I not remove those lines and just keep one? |
| 22:24.16 | tarzeau | x_link: yes, you can |
| 22:24.28 | tarzeau | x_link: only keep the one with 24 Depth |
| 22:24.28 | rpc | dkr like it was a crappy 10mbit nic and not 1gbit one... |
| 22:24.46 | rpc | OR perhaps there are known issues with gbit nics on etch? |
| 22:24.48 | x_link | tarzeau: Okey, Thanks. |
| 22:24.59 | tarzeau | uptownben: it won't do ram disk if you don't tell it to |
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| 22:25.08 | x_link | tarzeau: I have 2 with 24 deth, the first and last one. |
| 22:25.13 | tarzeau | uptownben: it'll work fine as long as your applications don't want more memory than you have |
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| 22:25.32 | tarzeau | uptownben: the linux kernel will just randomly kill a process when something needs more than there is |
| 22:25.35 | hatter | uptownben: swap space is a choice, yes a machine will crash if ask for ram that isnt available |
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| 22:25.57 | tarzeau | hatter: not necessarily, processes will be shot. they might be critical ones though |
| 22:26.05 | nivanson | How long before 2.16.20 will be in exp/unstable? |
| 22:26.08 | tarzeau | rpc: oh gbit nic? |
| 22:26.13 | tarzeau | rpc: are you doing nfs? |
| 22:26.22 | tarzeau | rpc: you didn't say gbit before! |
| 22:26.33 | tarzeau | nivanson: 2.16.20 never |
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| 22:26.39 | streuner | !shoot tarzeau |
| 22:26.44 | tarzeau | nivanson: but maybe 2.6.20.x sometime |
| 22:26.46 | geo-rge | hatter: but an app that responds appropriately to a "no" answer to that question won't crash |
| 22:26.52 | tarzeau | streuner: wtf? |
| 22:26.54 | nivanson | tarzeau: yeah =) |
| 22:26.54 | JoelR | hello i have a question, how do i know in what cd is a package called for example 'foo'? |
| 22:26.58 | uptownben | so is there any way to bring my avail RAM down a little so I can alloc some as a RAM/SWAP disk? |
| 22:27.01 | streuner | tarzeau: calm down :-) |
| 22:27.10 | streuner | you need that ;-) |
| 22:27.12 | tarzeau | nivanson: no idea, but you can have mine: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.20/ |
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| 22:27.23 | nivanson | tarzeau: Thanks alot :) |
| 22:27.29 | tarzeau | JoelR: insert cd 1, if it's not there, try the next |
| 22:27.31 | hatter | uptownben: you're missing the point, swap is for when RAM runs out |
| 22:27.42 | JoelR | tarzeau, very intelligent way :s |
| 22:27.42 | tarzeau | uptownben: sure, don't use gnome,kde software |
| 22:27.49 | geo-rge | uptownben: if you have the ram, what's the point of making some of your ram a swap? :) |
| 22:27.59 | tarzeau | JoelR: start with 1. your chances are high that way |
| 22:27.59 | craigevil | you can also grab 2.6.20 from http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main |
| 22:28.01 | x_link | tarzeau: So I should just keep the last line, right? |
| 22:28.06 | x_link | The last resolution line. |
| 22:28.07 | tarzeau | JoelR: debian has the software sorted by popularity |
| 22:28.11 | abrotman | uptownben: if you have chunks of free RAM and you're using swap .. something is wrong |
| 22:28.15 | tarzeau | x_link: no the one with 24bpp |
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| 22:28.23 | maximl | Hi all. |
| 22:28.29 | JoelR | if i'm not wrong there were a more "sophisticated" way to do it.. |
| 22:28.55 | iLLucionist | I'm about to develop a revolution and I'm wondering whether it's safer to do it open source or closed source. |
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| 22:29.09 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: which country? |
| 22:29.10 | markybob | wow |
| 22:29.10 | hatter | iLLucionist: go ask your astrologist |
| 22:29.11 | cokeslut | sup? |
| 22:29.12 | uptownben | I was planning on setting up FLUXBOX so I can have a GUI.. in that I will probably be running Firefox a few XTERMS, RDP client, and maybe some PHP/HTML editor |
| 22:29.15 | Tremitos` | Hi |
| 22:29.25 | geo-rge | iLLucionist: how many times will it revolve? |
| 22:29.25 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: NL |
| 22:29.27 | cokeslut | I'll soon find out |
| 22:29.28 | uptownben | do you think my 256MB will handle that wihtout swap? |
| 22:29.30 | abrotman | iLLucionist: that depends on your moral compass i suppose eh ? |
| 22:29.32 | Tremitos` | no |
| 22:29.34 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: make it free software |
| 22:29.34 | dual-man | can someone please tell me wtf i cant get a /dev/dsp i have switched motherboards and i know this one should have it |
| 22:29.39 | streuner | haha |
| 22:29.48 | nivanson | Oh yeah. About the kernel x.20 again. Why is there a delay, becouse of packaging or becouse it should be tested some more first? |
| 22:29.58 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: who is the president there and why does it need a revolution? |
| 22:30.00 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: it's not about the money. I want it to be safe as in not to be stolen by MS or some other big idiot company |
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| 22:30.04 | hatter | uptownben: you will have to make it work, run each program, then see how RAM you have available |
| 22:30.11 | iLLucionist | tarzeau: i'm the president, it's my company |
| 22:30.14 | abrotman | iLLucionist: have you read the GPL ? |
| 22:30.15 | tarzeau | iLLucionist: then make it GNU GPL |
| 22:30.28 | hatter | iLLucionist: bur yourself in a hole, dont connect to internet, then you will be safe |
| 22:30.33 | hatter | 'bury' |
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| 22:30.38 | muaddib | looking at that alone it sounds like if I were to throw double the load based on the load avg I could however based on the cpu %idle stat I couldn't which one should I be looking at |
| 22:30.42 | iLLucionist | hatter: i want it to be safe bat aint paranoid |
| 22:30.43 | muaddib | hello all |
| 22:30.44 | geo-rge | iLLucionist: what do you actually want to do? |
| 22:30.52 | muaddib | looking at that alone it sounds like if I were to throw double the load based on the load avg I could however based on the cpu %idle stat I couldn't which one should I be looking at |
| 22:31.05 | geo-rge | meaning do you want to show the source code to people or not? |
| 22:31.07 | muaddib | I am trying to determine if I need to upgrade my existing system. Based on the load avg it never gets above 12. However when looking at the sar logs the CPU idle utilization for 24 period in 5 min int fluxuates and gets as high as 30% idle |
| 22:31.11 | Flimzy | How can I reinstall grub on a booted system? I accidentally overwrote my MBR, but haven't rebooted since... so I just need to restore grub... |
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| 22:31.22 | iLLucionist | geo-rge: it's a serious webos that takes away most hassle from the developer. it goes so far that you can interactively draw webapps or webpages |
| 22:31.26 | abrotman | muaddib: find out what is using it |
| 22:31.30 | hatter | iLLucionist: you can only make decision on the 'safety' you feel about the multiple thousands of other open-source projects alive and well |
| 22:31.31 | streuner | !tarzeau++ |
| 22:31.42 | nivanson | Flimzy: just run it :) |
| 22:31.53 | Flimzy | nivanson: that gives me a shell |
| 22:31.58 | iLLucionist | hatter: well, cool thing about os-community is that no company can 'get' their hands on linux in a commercial way since there is no main point. |
| 22:31.59 | s2211 | why I can not un-archive a tar.gz file? filesize is >4.g |
| 22:32.01 | geo-rge | iLLucionist: if this were 1998, you'd have a chance of making a lot of money :) |
| 22:32.03 | Flimzy | nivanson: I don't think it did anything to my mbr :P |
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| 22:32.11 | uptownben | OK.. I'll try that.. one thing I need to avoid are alot of read/write/erases to the disk (like swap), is there anything else you guys can think of that may jeopardize the lifetime of my CF card? |
| 22:32.12 | streuner | !abrotman++ |
| 22:32.12 | nivanson | Flimzy: install it on hd0 |
| 22:32.15 | iLLucionist | geo-rge: i'd still would if you'd know my exact plans |
| 22:32.16 | muaddib | abrotman: But is there a point if the loadavg doesn't get above 12 |
| 22:32.20 | zinx | s2211: most likely because you aren't using debian |
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| 22:32.57 | iLLucionist | geo-ge: my concept would take away most development work in general |
| 22:33.04 | zinx | s2211: that or you're trying to decompress it to FAT |
| 22:33.10 | Flimzy | nivanson: and how exactly is that done? |
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| 22:33.12 | geo-rge | iLLucionist: well, for now, I just need to know if you want to show your source (as arsdigita did: their toolkit was GPL from the start) |
| 22:33.13 | zinx | s2211: which has a 4G limit. |
| 22:33.15 | hatter | uptownben: your current operation is jeopardising the life of your cf card, they have a limited amount of writes |
| 22:33.44 | iLLucionist | geo-rge: As long as my code will not be raped, i'm fine with it. |
| 22:33.44 | uptownben | thats my point. |
| 22:33.47 | hatter | uptownben: which is fine, just make a duplicate when you are finished, then when it dies come back and tell us what life you got out of it |
| 22:33.52 | nivanson | Flimzy: root (hd0,0) i think |
| 22:34.00 | geo-rge | iLLucionist: define "rape" |
| 22:34.06 | Flimzy | bleh |
| 22:34.08 | nivanson | Flimzy: Wops. setup (hd0) |
| 22:34.23 | Flimzy | Error 12: Invalid device requested |
| 22:34.30 | Flimzy | grub is a pita sometimes |
| 22:34.33 | iLLucionist | geo-rge: some looney thinks it's great and completely fucks up the code base. and then a negative emotion is associated with the original codebase |
| 22:34.51 | uptownben | hatter: I can definitely report the result of this experiment, but I would like to try to configure the system for as long a lifetime as possible. |
| 22:34.53 | iLLucionist | geo-rge: and then my app will die a horrible death |
| 22:35.24 | hatter | uptownben: cf cards have a definite limit on reads and writes, check with the manufacturere |
| 22:35.29 | geo-rge | iLLucionist: hmm... so a fork. GPL will allow forks |
| 22:35.42 | iLLucionist | geo-rge: I know...but is there any way that you can control forks. |
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| 22:35.48 | iLLucionist | geo-rge: except for nicely asking not to fuck up ;) |
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| 22:36.26 | iLLucionist | geo-rge: the problem with closed source is: yes i can make money, but my project will, if its really genious, overruled by the big boys with their marketing instruments |
| 22:36.30 | uptownben | hatter: I know about the limit, which is why I am asking and try to configure the system for minimal writes to the disk. |
| 22:36.43 | iLLucionist | geo-rge: if its open source and the app is great, you've support everywhere and the 'big boys' can't really harm you |
| 22:36.45 | mschiff | hey guys, I am currently debootstrapping etch, is there any base-config replacement to configure basic things after bootstrapping? |
| 22:37.44 | Flimzy | mschiff: there's a user-setup package to create root and the first user. that's the only similar thing I'm aware of. |
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| 22:39.03 | abrotman | iLLucionist: go to opensource.org and read the different licenses |
| 22:39.12 | bzed | mschiff: afaik not |
| 22:39.18 | geo-rge | given the generic "you can't control what anyone else does", once you release the source you won't be able to control things under GPL -except- if they alter/distribute your code they would not be able to release it under (fuzzy here, not a lawyer) what's been called a "compatible license" |
| 22:39.22 | uptownben | so doing a normal install and removing the swap partition during the partitoning section should be a good start to setting this up, correct? after that I should configure the individual apps not to cache anything to disk or do any uneccessary writes, sound good? |
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| 22:39.30 | mschiff | Flimzy: hm not what I was looking for, but thanks |
| 22:39.34 | mschiff | bzed: ok thanks |
| 22:39.41 | iLLucionist | mm yeah that's right |
| 22:39.44 | bzed | mschiff: but it's not much to do... edit /etc/fstab, /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow... and install a kernel, configure a bootloader |
| 22:39.50 | hatter | uptownben: yes. thats the best you can do. |
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| 22:39.52 | Flimzy | mschiff: yeah, it doesn't do as much. :( |
| 22:40.01 | tarzeau | i forgot how to remove red eyes from photos with gimp... |
| 22:40.02 | claudio_ | I'm trying to install the kernel-headers but don't seems to be in the etch mirrors. Does anyone can help me with ndiswrapper? |
| 22:40.11 | Flimzy | mschiff: I've been debootstrapping a couple dozen setups over the last few weeks, and manually editing all the config files |
| 22:40.15 | Flimzy | mschiff: It's a pain |
| 22:40.16 | subopt | How do i redo the installation's networking configuration phase? |
| 22:40.19 | mschiff | bzed: I think of timezone keyboard setup etc as well... |
| 22:40.25 | tarzeau | claudio_: etch+? linux-headers... |
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| 22:40.26 | mschiff | Flimzy: ;) |
| 22:40.35 | tarzeau | subopt: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:40.37 | uptownben | Coo. I'll try it and hopefully I wont kill my new 2GB CF card. |
| 22:40.38 | bzed | claudio_: linux-headers-2.6-yourversion |
| 22:40.40 | uptownben | *cool |
| 22:40.52 | elshaa_ | how can I get the gid of a not local group ? |
| 22:40.57 | Flimzy | uptownben: What are you setting up? |
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| 22:41.08 | uptownben | Debina on a 2GB CF card |
| 22:41.09 | claudio_ | tarzeau: yes etch |
| 22:41.13 | claudio_ | bzed: are not present |
| 22:41.13 | uptownben | Debian* |
| 22:41.16 | subopt | tarzeau: Looking for the dialog version, not the hand-edit-of-files version. Thanks, though. |
| 22:41.25 | claudio_ | ah |
| 22:41.27 | claudio_ | sorry |
| 22:41.30 | tarzeau | subopt: there is no dialog version, afaik |
| 22:41.37 | claudio_ | linux-headers.. hmm.. let me check |
| 22:41.37 | geo-rge | I just met Debina yesterday,,, nice chick :) |
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| 22:41.40 | bzed | claudio_: they are, for sure |
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| 22:41.46 | iLLucionist | DBpp: hi |
| 22:41.58 | geo-rge | but DebiAn is a bad girl :) |
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| 22:42.07 | Flimzy | uptownben: I have just the thing for you :) |
| 22:42.16 | uptownben | Flimzy: I'm listening |
| 22:42.22 | iLLucionist | thx for the info y'all |
| 22:42.27 | iLLucionist | me goin' read licenses over and over |
| 22:42.30 | geo-rge | iLLucionist: overall... the choice ius yours |
| 22:42.37 | iLLucionist | geo-rge: yeah...thx |
| 22:42.40 | Flimzy | uptownben: I have Debian running on a 1gb flash right here... I just finished my new project: http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Debian_on_USB |
| 22:42.43 | geo-rge | right now (not given the source out), |
| 22:42.46 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 22:42.56 | geo-rge | you have more choices than you will after you give it out |
| 22:43.05 | Flimzy | uptownben: Full install instructions there. |
| 22:43.09 | Mazingaro | please I've got a compaq armada and console area become smaller in text mode... :( |
| 22:43.12 | claudio_ | But why m-a a-i ndiswrapper warn me about kernel-header rather than linux-header_ |
| 22:43.15 | claudio_ | ? |
| 22:43.22 | uptownben | Flimzy: Cool. I'm checking it out now. |
| 22:43.36 | geo-rge | claudio_: it misspoke? |
| 22:43.43 | Flimzy | uptownben: And it's a wiki... so add anything or fix any errors you find, if you feel like it :) |
| 22:43.48 | geo-rge | (it refers to the same thing either way) |
| 22:44.00 | hatter | flimzy: cool, I will read this also |
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| 22:44.17 | claudio_ | geo-rge: heh.. really not |
| 22:44.32 | geo-rge | same thing, but by different names |
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| 22:45.02 | uptownben | Flimzy: any quick tips off the top of your head? |
| 22:45.12 | hatter | uptownben: go and read it:) |
| 22:45.13 | geo-rge | the old name is "kernel-whatever", the new name is "linux-whatever" maybe because people are thinking of putting debian on other kernels |
| 22:45.18 | Flimzy | uptownben, hatter: I am, as we speak, completing the final step of the instructions there... |
| 22:45.29 | geo-rge | but the content and purpose are the same |
| 22:45.36 | Flimzy | uptownben: Jump to the "Setting it up" section. That's the full instructions on making it work. |
| 22:45.49 | uptownben | Flimzy:will do |
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| 22:46.45 | Flimzy | uptownben: If my test works here (give me 30 seconds) I could give you the files on my USB drive to have a working Debian-on-USB install in 30 seconds :) |
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| 22:46.58 | zpertee | anyone know what libsensors3 does? |
| 22:47.18 | hatter | uptownben: you could setup a usb thumb drive as swap if u ran out. |
| 22:47.22 | Flimzy | Whee, it worked. |
| 22:47.25 | geo-rge | lib... it's a library... |
| 22:47.51 | geo-rge | sensors... hmm maybe has something to do with inputting or reading something... |
| 22:47.55 | subopt | tarzeau: Okay, the command i've used before is 'dpkg-reconfigure <thingie>', but i can't remember what <thingie> is for doing the basic networking setup. I know, for example, that <thingie> is xserver-xorg to redo the X part. How do i find out what the networking part is called? |
| 22:48.00 | geo-rge | 3, third incarnation? |
| 22:48.38 | tarzeau | subopt: it doesn't exist |
| 22:48.39 | geo-rge | zpertee: just a guess :) |
| 22:48.46 | tarzeau | subopt: man 5 interfaces |
| 22:49.00 | tarzeau | subopt: feel free to write another yast |
| 22:49.06 | zpertee | geo-rge: what's your guess |
| 22:49.11 | ljlolel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.11 | ljlolel | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:49.11 | ljlolel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.11 | ljlolel | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) --- how do i fix this? |
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| 22:49.14 | geo-rge | lib... it's a library... |
| 22:49.16 | geo-rge | sensors... hmm maybe has something to do with inputting or reading something... |
| 22:49.18 | geo-rge | 3, third incarnation? |
| 22:49.44 | zpertee | geo-rge: ok. sorry to put you on the spot |
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| 22:49.57 | geo-rge | I'm just saying, that's my guess |
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| 22:50.12 | dual-man | how can i check if i have a sound card installe?D |
| 22:50.13 | zpertee | geo-rge: ok i'll look more into it |
| 22:50.25 | tarzeau | ljlolel: get the debian source package and fix it |
| 22:50.31 | tarzeau | ljlolel: or just don't use it. checked bts yet? |
| 22:50.40 | ljlolel | Errors were encountered while processing: firestarter E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) --- how do i fix this? |
| 22:50.46 | tarzeau | ljlolel: read harden-doc |
| 22:50.46 | geo-rge | if you look at how "sensors" has been used in the past... it has to do with monitoring physical conditions of your machine (referring to lm-sensors) |
| 22:50.49 | uptownben | Flimzy: I'm just trying to figure out why a simple/ normal install wouldnt work? |
| 22:50.49 | cwheeler | synaptic is insisting on removing my nvidia-glx package because I don't have the kernel package installed, how can i make it leave it alone? |
| 22:50.59 | cwheeler | 3d acceleration is working fine |
| 22:51.03 | Flimzy | uptownben: Because BIOSes are strange with USB. |
| 22:51.07 | tarzeau | ljlolel: no need to repeat. dpkg isn't verbose on why post/pre install/remove scripts fail, it's a known bug |
| 22:51.10 | geo-rge | dual-man: check your motherboard slots |
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| 22:51.48 | ljlolel | no, apt will let me do *nothing* now |
| 22:51.51 | uptownben | Flimzy: I'm installing on a 2GB CF card pluggedinto an IDE adaptor so the macine relly thinkgs its a hard drive |
| 22:52.05 | Flimzy | uptownben: That should work then. |
| 22:52.07 | tarzeau | ljlolel: yeah you have to fix that first |
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| 22:52.19 | tarzeau | ljlolel: fix the scripts, run dpkg again |
| 22:52.20 | Flimzy | uptownben: Altho the BIOS can still be goofy, b/c there aren't any *actual* heads/sectors. so it can get confused. |
| 22:52.36 | tarzeau | ljlolel: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 22:52.37 | Flimzy | uptownben: The main advantage to my instructions is that you avoid excessive writes to the flash media, which wears it out faster. |
| 22:52.50 | geo-rge | How can I take a pdf with lotsa pages and create a new pdf with some of those pages? |
| 22:53.03 | shey | Can someone tell me where the best doc for printer sharing would be at? I installed CUPSys and Samba, but I cannot seem to get them to work correctly. Win sees the debian machine, but with no printers. |
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| 22:53.32 | uptownben | Flimzy: Wouldnt installing without swap be a good start? |
| 22:53.37 | geo-rge | dual-man: if your slots have cards in them, then look at each one... |
| 22:53.58 | Flimzy | uptownben: yes, but it still writes a bunch of crap by default. Logs, lock files, etc. |
| 22:53.59 | geo-rge | if the card you're looking at is a sound card, then you're done. the answer is yes |
| 22:55.06 | geo-rge | on the other hand, if you went through all your cards and not, check if you have a sound chipset on your motherboard... if yes, the answer is no, instead, you have sound hardware on your motherboard |
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| 22:56.31 | geo-rge | if no, the answer is no, and you have absolutely no sound functionality in your machine with the possible exception of the beepy speaker |
| 22:56.49 | ljlolel | tarzeau, THANK YOU |
| 22:57.28 | geo-rge | hmm... lil joe? |
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| 22:57.45 | ljlolel | eh? |
| 22:58.02 | geo-rge | oh, just trying to solve a puzzle :) |
| 22:58.03 | uptownben | Flimzy: I guess if I plan to setup FLUXBOX it will REALLY kill my CF card.. |
| 22:58.28 | ljlolel | gl |
| 22:58.33 | Flimzy | use my setup :) it should work on a non-USB card, too. |
| 22:58.41 | Flimzy | and runs everything in RAMdisk instead of on the actual CF card |
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| 23:00.20 | hatter | uptownben: can you put more ram in it ? |
| 23:00.29 | hatter | uptownben: put a 1gb stick in |
| 23:00.31 | Flimzy | uptownben: I just threw up a "quick install" guide, using an image I created: http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Debian_on_USB_Quick_Install#Get_the_files |
| 23:00.34 | uptownben | Flimzy: any way to get me an image of your completed setup? |
| 23:00.36 | Flimzy | uptownben: How much RAM does your system have, BTW? |
| 23:00.39 | uptownben | ah.. |
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| 23:00.49 | Flimzy | uptownben, http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Debian_on_USB_Quick_Install rather |
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| 23:01.06 | hatter | Flimzy: yours is working ? |
| 23:01.10 | Flimzy | hatter: yes :) |
| 23:01.15 | uptownben | Flimzy: my IBM X24 has 256MB RAM |
| 23:01.18 | Flimzy | hatter: in 256mb RAM |
| 23:01.22 | hatter | Flimzy: cool, bridging firewall ? |
| 23:01.32 | Flimzy | hatter: *will* be. Right now it's just a bare Debian system. |
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| 23:01.46 | Flimzy | hatter: It will be running on 2 Linux firewalls with keepalived for redundant failover. |
| 23:01.51 | hatter | Flimzy: ok, is it easy to change the ramdisk for adding s/w etc ? |
| 23:01.58 | Flimzy | hatter: yes. |
| 23:02.10 | Flimzy | hatter: I wrote a script called 'moo' to do that for ya (moo creates a backup of the cow... get it? tehehehe) |
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| 23:02.20 | hatter | !moo |
| 23:02.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:02.53 | hatter | Flimzy: i will make one following your instructions next week, i will kee in touch through the wiki |
| 23:03.02 | Flimzy | hatter: cool :) |
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| 23:03.16 | Flimzy | hatter: I've been working on this about a month and a half... you just happened to catch me on the day I completed it :) |
| 23:03.43 | hatter | flimzy: excellent.... I have a via mini mono here sitting for just the thing... |
| 23:03.54 | Flimzy | hatter: cool :) |
| 23:04.12 | claudio_ | How can i compile a kernel in a debian way? |
| 23:04.14 | hatter | flimzy: I make f/w's and have wanted to do this for awhile, then use a usb2.0 interface for samba shares |
| 23:04.36 | Flimzy | hatter: I had the idea to do something like this several years ago when a 16mb flash was "large" |
| 23:04.47 | Flimzy | hatter: Fortunately, USB flash is large/cheap enough now, that it's easier... |
| 23:04.47 | ljlolel | hahahahahahahaha, have you ever seen this?: |
| 23:04.51 | hatter | claudio_: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompiling/ |
| 23:04.51 | ljlolel | After unpacking 2912MB disk space will be freed. |
| 23:04.51 | ljlolel | You are about to do something potentially harmful. |
| 23:04.51 | ljlolel | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
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| 23:05.06 | Flimzy | hatter: With my setup, it should be easy to use a standard Debian system on a ~256mb flash. |
| 23:05.10 | EdLin | !kingsleysmite EdLin |
| 23:05.10 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer EdLin: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.752168089422536! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 23:05.30 | hatter | Flimzy: i dont need any gui, just to be able to modify the iptables when necessary |
| 23:05.43 | hatter | flimzy: have been looking into it for awhile also |
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| 23:05.56 | Flimzy | hatter: yup. |
| 23:06.00 | Flimzy | hatter: no gui here, either. |
| 23:06.04 | uptownben | Flimzy: adding drivers and stuff shouldnt be a problem right? |
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| 23:06.16 | Flimzy | hatter: The entire base etch system fits on a < 60mb squashfs |
| 23:06.23 | Flimzy | uptownben: Nope. It works _just like regular Debian_ |
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| 23:06.37 | Flimzy | uptownben: The *only* difference is, after any changes, you have to run 'moo' to back the changes up to the USB flash |
| 23:06.39 | cwheeler | synaptic is insisting on removing my nvidia-glx package because I don't have the kernel package installed, how can i make it leave it alone? |
| 23:06.49 | EdLin | !based on Debian |
| 23:06.49 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 23:06.54 | Flimzy | Keep in mind this is not publically tested software--don't use it for anything mission critical yet :) |
| 23:06.54 | sin | how can i get a single unstable package? |
| 23:07.06 | geo-rge | maybe sync() should run moo |
| 23:07.06 | Flimzy | sin: apt-get -t unstable install <foo> |
| 23:07.07 | uptownben | Flimzy: Do you think installing FLUXBOX will be a problem? |
| 23:07.08 | EdLin | !tell sin about pinning |
| 23:07.14 | hatter | Flimzy: we will make it mission critical together :) |
| 23:07.16 | Flimzy | uptownben: What is that? |
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| 23:07.35 | Flimzy | hatter: I intend to use it for mission critical--that's the reason I invented it. But it needs testing first :) |
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| 23:07.41 | uptownben | Flimzy: a lite GUI |
| 23:07.46 | Flimzy | uptownben: yeah, should work. |
| 23:07.51 | Flimzy | uptownben: *anything* Debian can do should work. |
| 23:07.52 | Flimzy | :) |
| 23:07.56 | Rydekull | Flimzy: a WM |
| 23:08.00 | Flimzy | Becuase it *is* Debian |
| 23:08.08 | uptownben | kewl |
| 23:08.09 | Spec | hey..i just upgraded from woody->stable->testing, I've lost my python2.3 but i've kept my python2.2 and python2.4, how do I get my python2.3 back? |
| 23:08.11 | Rydekull | Flimzy: www.fluxbox.org |
| 23:08.11 | Flimzy | Plus a customized casper .deb and one bash script I wrote. |
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| 23:09.03 | rpc | 0.0-15.0 sec 180 MBytes 101 Mbits/sec |
| 23:09.09 | Malf | so if I want iceweasel to claim it is firefox to a webserver is there any sort of easy adjustment I can make to iceweasel or would I need to either recompile it myself or download firefox myself? |
| 23:09.11 | mschiff | after debootstrapping etch aptitude complains about "untrusted versions" of packages.. does anybody know how to "fix" this? |
| 23:09.13 | rpc | that's what i call clean bw ;) |
| 23:09.17 | abrotman | Spec: there is no python2.3 in testing |
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| 23:09.51 | rpc | lol damog |
| 23:09.53 | Spec | where would i get a python2.3 deb for testing? apt-get.org? |
| 23:10.00 | jelly-home | Spec: from a stable repository perhaps |
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| 23:10.10 | Spec | from stable? |
| 23:10.12 | jelly-home | ya |
| 23:10.13 | rpc | mschiff you need a key |
| 23:10.17 | uptownben | Flimzy: why not just use a something like Damn Small LInux or another KNOPPIX ? |
| 23:10.20 | abrotman | hi damog |
| 23:10.30 | EdLin | !tell mschiff about testing key |
| 23:10.33 | mschiff | rpc: so the package "debian-archive-keyring" is not sufficient? |
| 23:10.40 | EdLin | !tell mschiff about key |
| 23:10.43 | rpc | nope |
| 23:10.44 | hatter | uptownben: then its not Debian |
| 23:10.51 | damog | abrotman: hey |
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| 23:10.56 | earthian | is firefox == iceweasel? |
| 23:10.57 | hatter | uptownben: i would rather use debian myself |
| 23:11.01 | mschiff | EdLin: thanks a lot! |
| 23:11.05 | EdLin | np |
| 23:11.07 | rpc | :) |
| 23:11.09 | Flimzy | uptownben: I address that on that page, but a few reasons: 1) Most of those don't allow you to write changes to the boot media, because they assume you're booting from a CD or somesuch. |
| 23:11.11 | uptownben | Flimzy: wait.. arent they based on debian? |
| 23:11.21 | Spec | hmm, but installing python2.3 from stable wants to remove the "python" package (2.4) |
| 23:11.22 | penguin | How come Mozilla is no longer listed among my browsers? |
| 23:11.22 | geo-rge | uptownben: sure, why not... you can if you want... but support will be unavailable here tho |
| 23:11.24 | mschiff | and thanks rpc ;) |
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| 23:11.27 | EdLin | uptownben: I don't want to have to run !based on debian again |
| 23:11.29 | amphi | !ubuntusmite uptownben |
| 23:11.32 | Flimzy | uptownben: Or 2) they use the flash as a standard HD, and thus write to it a *lot* |
| 23:11.36 | Spec | oh, nevermind, i guess the python package doesn't matter...2.4 is still on my system |
| 23:11.39 | Spec | thanks |
| 23:11.52 | Flimzy | penguin: Look for iceweasel |
| 23:11.57 | penguin | What the hell is iceape? |
| 23:12.07 | geo-rge | coldmonkey |
| 23:12.09 | EdLin | Spec: the latest is 2.5, 2.3 is depreciated quite a bit by now. |
| 23:12.17 | hatter | amphi: lol.... |
| 23:12.19 | penguin | Is that from Mozilla? |
| 23:12.30 | Spec | EdLin: i know, but i need to support it |
| 23:12.32 | rpc | yesyes 0.0-15.0 sec 7.73 GBytes 4.43 Gbits/sec |
| 23:12.34 | rpc | :] |
| 23:12.41 | EdLin | penguin: Debian seamonkey |
| 23:12.46 | rpc | i knew that tcp window size matters lol |
| 23:12.49 | penguin | I have Iceape and Konquerer. |
| 23:13.30 | mschiff | EdLin: adding "--keyserver keyring.debian.org" to that hint might be useful.. can you add this? |
| 23:13.30 | Spec | rpc: wow, what are those speeds of? |
| 23:13.33 | penguin | How come I have Konqueror using Gnome? |
| 23:13.33 | Spec | rpc: network or disk? |
| 23:14.05 | rpc | Spec he he network tests |
| 23:14.19 | EdLin | mschiff: I don't know how to do that with the bot... |
| 23:14.24 | Spec | rpc: using what? |
| 23:14.30 | rpc | iperf |
| 23:14.37 | mschiff | EdLin: ok |
| 23:15.11 | Flimzy | penguin: iceweasel is the Debian version of firefox. The only difference is the name and logo--due to "trademark violations" by using the firefox logos, Debian was forced to change. |
| 23:15.37 | geo-rge | so did debian name it? |
| 23:15.42 | EdLin | A Mozilla Foundation Inc. lawyer filed a bug about it. |
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| 23:15.59 | Flimzy | time to go home |
| 23:16.00 | EdLin | apparently they don't like Debian supporting old versions. |
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| 23:16.14 | geo-rge | ahh |
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| 23:16.51 | geo-rge | I would think that's too bad tho... the code is there, they released it, they don't have that choice afterwards, right? |
| 23:16.54 | EdLin | essentially they said "stop using our trademark" It wasn't *Debian's* decision to do the renaming. |
| 23:17.06 | EdLin | geo-rge: well, Mozilla is under the MPL, not the GPL. |
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| 23:17.26 | EdLin | geo-rge: and trademarks are trademarks. |
| 23:17.40 | geo-rge | does that mean they can change their mind about releasing the code? |
| 23:17.42 | pipegeek | howdy. Anybody happen to know with what version of gcc etch is compiled? |
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| 23:17.59 | EdLin | geo-rge: the code's still released, but if Mozilla so whims, you can't use their trademark. |
| 23:18.03 | cwheeler | iceweasle is a cooler name |
| 23:18.29 | lando | not cooler than titwarble |
| 23:18.30 | penguin | I think Iceape is not the best name |
| 23:18.33 | geo-rge | pipegeek: generally autobuilders do the building, and they use the same compiler that comes with it |
| 23:18.34 | EdLin | cwheeler: almost as cool as iceweasel |
| 23:18.50 | uptownben | Flimzy: I'm going to have to reboot this machine to do the install. I'll be back shortly to share my results. |
| 23:19.32 | EdLin | !why iceweasel |
| 23:19.32 | dpkg | methinks why iceweasel is debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
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| 23:20.16 | geo-rge | a small detail comes to mind tho... I understand it wasn't debian' |
| 23:20.38 | geo-rge | s choice wheter to rename... but who supplied the actual name? |
| 23:20.46 | penguin | So it is just the logo that was the problem? |
| 23:20.47 | dual-man | how can i check if my sound card is installed from the terminal |
| 23:20.57 | EdLin | geo-rge: Debian did - they chose to make it obnoxious as a protest. |
| 23:21.05 | geo-rge | ahh |
| 23:21.05 | jelly-home | penguin: the logo and the name. |
| 23:21.16 | mschiff | EdLin: hm aptitude still comaplains.. but "apt-key list" lists the key 6070D3A1 ... any idea? |
| 23:21.25 | penguin | that makes sense |
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| 23:21.35 | jetscreamer | did you do the thing in the topic about the apt key? |
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| 23:21.58 | geo-rge | so that people could write them and say "YEAH U SUZXORZ ICEWEASEL RULZ FIREFOX BLOZ" |
| 23:22.01 | EdLin | !any idea? |
| 23:22.01 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little thermal paste, and 42 three-legged weasels. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 23:22.02 | geo-rge | ? |
| 23:22.16 | shey | hahaha |
| 23:22.38 | EdLin | !botabuse |
| 23:22.38 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 23:22.39 | rpc | ...and a cup of green tea :) |
| 23:22.39 | geo-rge | Hey you stole my idea! |
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| 23:22.46 | jetscreamer | hey slightly ot i have 3 irc servers i connect to, i want to amsg, but i only want to amsg one of the 3 servers... as in not freenode but etg... how? |
| 23:22.53 | jelly-home | EdLin: wait, you preempted your own bot abuse? |
| 23:22.55 | rpc | that idea was so cool, rotfl |
| 23:23.15 | geo-rge | I have another idea! |
| 23:23.19 | EdLin | jetscreamer: maybe if you're using irssi you can control-x, in window 1, to the proper server... But don't blame me if it blows up in your face. |
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| 23:23.54 | rpc | geo-rge two sacks of herring, even more thermal paste and bittorent client? :D |
| 23:24.01 | jetscreamer | ahh as in the server window ... good idea. (i have that disabled in xchat) |
| 23:24.08 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 23:24.11 | EdLin | np |
| 23:24.36 | geo-rge | Let's all go to the pickle store for some ice cream! |
| 23:24.46 | Q1712 | hi may anybody help me please: i mest up my lilo configuration and am not able to boot into linux anymore, is there a way to boot into the existing system with the install-CD? |
| 23:25.37 | zpertee | what is the smartest way to get php5 on debian? |
| 23:25.48 | EdLin | zpertee: Sarge? backports.org |
| 23:25.51 | mschiff | jetscreamer : thanks, I was only missing an "aptitude update" |
| 23:25.57 | jetscreamer | Q1712: there is a rescue feature on the etch cd's at the least.. not sure about sarge. dunno how to use em, either... but there is such a beast. hit f1,f2,et.al. when you see the boot: prompt |
| 23:25.59 | geo-rge | Q1712: should be you can boot that cd and say rescue root=/dev/something |
| 23:26.12 | geo-rge | at the boot: prompt |
| 23:26.23 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 23:26.48 | geo-rge | what did he say?? |
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| 23:26.53 | jetscreamer | boot: prompt |
| 23:26.53 | hatter | i said what he saud |
| 23:26.56 | jetscreamer | what you say? |
| 23:27.11 | EdLin | "hit the road jet..." |
| 23:27.13 | geo-rge | ohhh |
| 23:27.19 | geo-rge | that's what -she- said... |
| 23:27.36 | jetscreamer | oh you is a she? |
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| 23:27.40 | jetscreamer | sowwy |
| 23:27.50 | geo-rge | ousa? |
| 23:28.03 | geo-rge | nope |
| 23:28.08 | geo-rge | me he. |
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| 23:28.51 | geo-rge | but you can google for doctor hee |
| 23:29.38 | Q1712 | tnx, i did that with an older version once, but somewhow it didnt work well this time, and there is no documented rescue featuer (at least not documentet at the boot cd help) I'll try again. do i have to add more than just root e.g. rescue root=/dev/hdb1 boot=/hdb image=???? |
| 23:29.53 | zpertee | EdLin: how do I set up backports.org |
| 23:30.51 | geo-rge | How can I take a pdf with lotsa pages and create a new pdf with some of those pages? |
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| 23:30.56 | antonio_ | hi, if i ping www.pepsi.it, i receive packets fron localhost. that's very strange! I'm not www.pepsi.it!!! |
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| 23:31.25 | geo-rge | antonio_: you're coke.it? |
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| 23:31.54 | Q1712 | bye |
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| 23:32.12 | EdLin | !backports.org |
| 23:32.13 | dpkg | from memory, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 23:32.20 | antonio_ | geo-rge:no i'm not. |
| 23:32.45 | geo-rge | zpertee: backports.org is already set up... go to that site, there should be instructions on how you can connect to it |
| 23:34.15 | EdLin | geo-rge: print the pages you want, then use a scanner to scan them into a pdf. ;-) |
| 23:34.41 | geo-rge | that's stupid tho... I'd have to buy a scanner |
| 23:35.11 | EdLin | geo-rge: seriously, you can make them into postscript files, then massage them into another format. |
| 23:35.25 | geo-rge | antonio_: do all ping replies seem to come from localhost? |
| 23:35.50 | Klipsch | can anybody tell me if "State : clean, degraded" of /dev/md3 means that one hdd has to be changed? |
| 23:36.01 | geo-rge | EdLin: yeah that's kinda what I want to do... do you know what programs are available to do those kinds of things? |
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| 23:36.21 | EdLin | geo-rge: pstotext |
| 23:36.47 | antonio_ | geo-rge:yes |
| 23:36.56 | Klipsch | can anybody tell me if "State : clean, degraded" of /dev/md3 means that one hdd has to be changed? if yes how should i proceed to know which one, and can i simply shut the computer and change it? |
| 23:36.57 | geo-rge | wonder of all wonders!! bash: pstotext: command not found!! |
| 23:37.03 | geo-rge | ok, I'll install it :) |
| 23:37.09 | EdLin | geo-rge: apt-get install pstotext :) |
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| 23:37.18 | wimpies | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.36 | geo-rge | antonio_: no matter what site you ping? |
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| 23:38.24 | geo-rge | wimpies: what's adept-updater? |
| 23:38.25 | antonio_ | geo-rge: only www.pepsi.it. Other sites work fine |
| 23:38.50 | geo-rge | antonio_: can you draw a small conclusion from that fact? |
| 23:38.54 | tp76 | Klipsch: what does "cat /proc/mdstat" say? |
| 23:39.07 | geo-rge | MEOW!!! |
| 23:39.28 | Klipsch | md3 : active raid1 sda5[0] |
| 23:39.28 | Klipsch | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.29 | wimpies | it is an ubuntu packager that is a GUI on top of apt ... I presume the debconf dialog is started from there ? |
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| 23:40.23 | bzed | ubuntu *cough* |
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| 23:40.46 | antonio_ | geo-rge: No. what do you mean. I'm sure I'm not www.pepsi.it |
| 23:40.46 | bzed | wimpies: use synaptic if you want, that works |
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| 23:41.07 | tp76 | Klipsch: the disk not mentioned is the one you should have a look at (sdc5?). |
| 23:41.20 | wimpies | geo-rge : synaptic is gnome. I run kde. ps shows the dialog is run from dpkg-configure --apt |
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| 23:41.41 | rahul | wimpies: what difference does it make? |
| 23:41.51 | rahul | wimpies: gnome or kde is irrelevant |
| 23:41.57 | tp76 | Klipsch: in theory you should be able to replace it, then add it to the array and it'll reconstruct. |
| 23:42.07 | sin | so even using pinning this package is trying to do all its updates when i try to install with: apt-get install java-package/unstable |
| 23:42.09 | willywoo | How do I configure noatun to output to alsa in Sarge? It says it's playing an mp3, but no sound is coming. I've reconfigured alsa and test-speaker works. |
| 23:42.13 | Klipsch | how can i know if its not mentionned? |
| 23:42.13 | wimpies | not really, style, integration with panel, fonts, etc are all ... different |
| 23:42.19 | wimpies | I run PAN and I know |
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| 23:42.24 | tp76 | Klipsch: because a RAID-1 consist of more than one disk? ;-) |
| 23:42.33 | Klipsch | i know |
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| 23:42.44 | Klipsch | but can i have a list of disc that are used by md3 ? |
| 23:42.47 | tp76 | Klipsch: yes, and only sda5 is listed in the output. |
| 23:42.56 | Pal32i_Guy | how to fix screen resolution in debian gnome on laptop |
| 23:43.04 | Klipsch | but i want to know the other one lol :) |
| 23:43.27 | tp76 | Klipsch: cat /etc/raidtab |
| 23:43.38 | Klipsch | no such file |
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| 23:46.40 | Klipsch | Personalities : [raid1] |
| 23:46.41 | Klipsch | md2 : active raid1 sdb2[1] sda2[0] |
| 23:46.41 | Klipsch | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.41 | Klipsch | md1 : active raid1 sdb3[1] sda3[0] |
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| 23:47.01 | Klipsch | bleh |
| 23:47.37 | Klipsch | you still there mate? |
| 23:47.49 | Q1712 | same question again: does anybody know how to boot form the sarge install-CD into an existing system on hdb??? |
| 23:47.58 | tp76 | Ah, multiple RAID-1 on two physical disks? Neat ;-) |
| 23:48.33 | Klipsch | i pasted in pm |
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| 23:49.24 | hatter | Q1712: you could use a live cd, like knoppix |
| 23:49.37 | hatter | Q1712: then you chroot into your partition |
| 23:50.22 | Q1712 | do u know a small live cd (slow internet conection) |
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| 23:51.12 | Pal32i_Guy | any idea on how to fix my screen res which is 800x600 now but it really 1280x786 |
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| 23:51.21 | infernix | Q1712: try damn small linux. |
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| 23:51.38 | Q1712 | ok i'll try |
| 23:51.38 | hatter | Q1712: are you near a newsagent ? theres always a live cd on a mag |
| 23:51.47 | infernix | Q1712: but uhm, sarge install cd has a rescue mode |
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| 23:52.06 | infernix | Q1712: and if not, you can always do alt-f2 to get a console after the harddrives were detected |
| 23:52.11 | Q1712 | im in germany 1 oclock in the night |
| 23:52.13 | hatter | Q1712: or there you go, as infernix said |
| 23:52.46 | infernix | Pal32i_Guy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or xserver-xfree86) |
| 23:52.46 | madd_matt | Hey, i'm going to walk somebody through installing debian/etch on their laptop. Does the installer allow one to use KDE as a desktop? She wants to use that. |
| 23:53.11 | infernix | madd_matt: maybe the etch installer does.. I don't think sarge's tasksel can do that |
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| 23:53.20 | Q1712 | infernix: tryeed that didn't work |
| 23:53.30 | infernix | !doesn't work |
| 23:53.30 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 23:53.30 | Pal32i_Guy | it ask me stuff i dont know about my laptop |
| 23:53.39 | uptownben | Flimzy: you here? |
| 23:53.40 | infernix | Pal32i_Guy: then look at the specs |
| 23:53.41 | Q1712 | (no /dev/hdb before partitioning) |
| 23:54.24 | Q1712 | ok thats to much for me now, im still new 2 linux |
| 23:54.34 | Pal32i_Guy | is there any pre-configure file i can use like ubuntu's configure file it worked before though |
| 23:54.35 | infernix | Klipsch: mdadm --examine /dev/hdXY |
| 23:54.44 | uptownben | anybody know where I can get extlinux? |
| 23:54.45 | Q1712 | losts of expetiance on a LAMP but no system stuff |
| 23:54.48 | infernix | Klipsch: actually /dev/sdXY in your case |
| 23:55.04 | infernix | uptownben: extlinux? |
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| 23:55.41 | uptownben | infernix: its supposed to be some linux boot tool. |
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| 23:55.53 | varange | hi all |
| 23:56.03 | infernix | uptownben: what are you trying to do? |
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| 23:56.59 | infernix | uptownben: don't you mean syslinux? |
| 23:57.07 | Klipsch | infernix, i have sda and sdb. md[0-3] (four RAID-1 arrays from two disks). So there's a problem with one of the partitions. |
| 23:57.36 | uptownben | I am installing Flimzy's "Debian on USB" and it says I need to run extlinux --install /mnt/sda1 |
| 23:57.51 | uptownben | I know about syslinux, but I've never heard of extlinux |
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| 23:58.27 | infernix | uptownben: google, 1st hit. |
| 23:58.43 | hatter | !jfgi |
| 23:58.44 | dpkg | jfgi is, like, just fucking google it |
| 23:58.47 | hatter | hehe |
| 23:58.56 | infernix | Klipsch: can you paste the output of /proc/mdstat to a pastebin? |
| 23:59.06 | Klipsch | yes |