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00:04.18dummywhat do i have to do to install beryl i boofed my everything last time trying to get it to work with ati drivers
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00:05.13dummyglxgerars ran better with out fglrx
00:06.32amphidummy: what card?
00:07.14kupesoftis this how serial consoles work?
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00:08.19chreekatWhat sets LANGUAGE and LANG in my environment?
00:08.27dummylocales
00:08.36MidgetDNhey guys, I am on a brand new install of etch and am having this problem when I run apt-get update: http://www.pastebin.ca/379126
00:08.53MidgetDNdummy: hmm that's not good news, I'm about to try installing beryl as well
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00:10.22amphidummy: that card only has 2d support from the xorg driver, it seems
00:10.22amphidummy: that's according to man radeon on etch
00:11.42CyberGabberdummy: Maybe this (ubuntu-based) article puts you into the right direcion : http://lhansen.blogspot.com/2006/10/3d-desktop-beryl-and-xgl-on-ubuntu-edgy.html
00:11.59abrotmanMidgetDN: do you have gnupg installed ?
00:12.20MidgetDNabrotman: yes
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00:12.54abrotmanMidgetDN: erm .. gpgv :)
00:13.10MidgetDNyes, that as well
00:13.27MidgetDNhmm, for the ntpdate package where would I find a server name to use for it?
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00:13.52tarzeauebw: yes?
00:13.53abrotmanMidgetDN: can you install stuff ?
00:14.00abrotmanMidgetDN: ntpd i think
00:14.07tarzeauebw: gnustep distributed objects mapper
00:14.08MidgetDNabrotman: yes, I just installed ntpdate and it worked fine
00:14.15jlamrI want to connect remotely to debian box putty works but not winscp3, anyone know which modules I need to install
00:14.49dummywhat is AIGLX
00:14.52damogabrotman: hey
00:15.46damogjlamr: why not with winscp?
00:15.48abrotmanhi damog
00:16.17abrotmanMidgetDN: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
00:16.31damogjlamr: make sure you are connecting on both PuTTY and WinSCP on port 22.
00:16.33jlamrno, I have winscp on my windows box, cant connect it to my debian box
00:16.46jlamrw/ winscp
00:16.52abrotmanany errors ?
00:17.01jlamrconnection refused
00:17.12MidgetDNabrotman: already installed
00:17.15damogyou are probably connecting on different ports
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00:17.52abrotmanMidgetDN: apt-key list .. show anything ?
00:17.52abrotmanMidgetDN: have you tried another mirro ?
00:17.52abrotmanmirror
00:17.53abrotmaneh .. nm .. they both die
00:17.59damogdummy: Accelerated Indirect GLX ("AIGLX") is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers.
00:18.36MidgetDNabrotman: yes it lists some things, but it shows some errors about time-warp problems because my clock is set to sometime in 2005, heh
00:18.49abrotmanMidgetDN: oh .. that makes sense :)
00:18.50MidgetDNmaybe I should fix that first
00:18.54abrotmanMidgetDN: yeah .. good plan
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00:19.10MidgetDNI installed ntpdate, I just need to find an ntp server to use, i'll google for one
00:19.21damogabrotman: what's your terminal emulator of choice?
00:19.30abrotmanxterm works for me! :)
00:19.40dondelelcaroMidgetDN: try us.pool.ntp.org
00:19.41tarzeauTerminal.app
00:19.46dondelelcaro(or whatever pool.ntp.org is appropriate)
00:19.50damogI've been using xterm, but I just don't like some things about it
00:19.54jlamrAny ideas at least on where I can look/test
00:20.23MidgetDNabrotman: now that the time's fixed how do I fix the keys?
00:20.34abrotmanMidgetDN: is your clock right ?
00:20.41dondelelcarojlamr: if you're getting connection refused, it either means that you're not using the right port, sshd isn't running, isn't bound to the right interface, or you're blocking ssh packets.
00:20.46MidgetDNyes
00:20.52abrotmanMidgetDN: apt-get update again
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00:20.56MidgetDNit still errors
00:21.08abrotmansame error ?
00:21.09MidgetDNerr, oops - no it doesn't!
00:21.12MidgetDNthanks
00:21.13abrotmanok
00:21.14MidgetDNmy mistake
00:21.15jlamrdondelelcaro: but then why does putty work?
00:21.36damogyou can connect to putty using different protocols
00:21.41damoger.. ports
00:21.42damogwhatever
00:21.56damogs/connect to/connect with/;
00:22.00dondelelcarojlamr: you should be able to tell us...
00:22.19jlamrheh, ok well thanks for the help
00:22.32abrotmanjlamr: have you tried another windows scp client ?
00:22.35dondelelcarolike pscp
00:22.41jlamrnot yet
00:23.04jlamrI'll try it out, thanks again
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00:28.27ZeeOapt-get install postfix
00:28.28ZeeOReading package lists... Done
00:28.28ZeeOBuilding dependency tree... Done
00:28.28ZeeOSuggested packages:
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00:29.14abrotman!paster
00:29.14dpkgpaster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
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00:30.25Nwallins|homehow can I tell if I have static or dynamic /dev ?
00:30.29pirvingI'm thinking of switching from MEPIS to pure debian.  I don't like how Ubuntu and Mepis configures everything, I spend a lot of time un mucking everything...what do you folks thinK"?
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00:30.39Nwallins|homepirving: preaching to the choir
00:30.48dondelelcaropirving: we're in Debian. Clearly we agree with that idea.
00:30.55pirvingI'm doing the netinst
00:31.01pirvingover a cable modem
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00:31.33pirvingIt is better to be Pure.
00:31.43pirvingwhat is your fav video player?
00:31.49pirvingMplayer or VLC XINE?
00:31.57dondelelcaroxine or mplayer, depending.
00:32.18pirvingis it in the repos, or do I have to compile it myself and do alot of mucking
00:32.18abrotmanNwallins|home: is udev installed ?
00:32.30dondelelcaropirving: they're both in the archives
00:32.44Nwallins|homeabrotman: yeah
00:32.46abrotmandid mplayer make it to etch ?
00:32.47pirvingI'm doing the testing instead of stable
00:32.48dondelelcaro(although mplayer is only in unstable... but you can trivially get it from debian-multimedia.org)
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00:32.49kupesoftI can get my serial console to send output until a "\n" is encountered...
00:32.51tarzeauabrotman: yes
00:32.53abrotmanNwallins|home: probably dynamic
00:32.57abrotman!info mplayer etch
00:32.58tarzeauabrotman: but the debian mplayer has no mencoder
00:33.04dpkgmplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-12 (etch), Packaged size: 4312 kB, Installed size: 9760 kB
00:33.05Nwallins|homeabrotman: ok, thanks.  I am following a tut for lm-sensors
00:33.18ZeeOis this ok to run
00:33.19ZeeOhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/5542
00:33.23pirvingis the http://packages.debian.org current
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00:33.26tarzeaui wonder why they all want lm-sensors if there's mbmon
00:33.31dondelelcaropirving: pretty close to, yes.
00:33.32abrotmanZeeO: no
00:33.35pirvingor should I search through apt-cache
00:33.40ZeeOi'm trying to install apt-get install syscp
00:33.41Nwallins|hometarzeau: only heard of lm-sensors :)
00:33.42ZeeOon my system
00:33.42stewwhy doesn't htop show me wait%
00:33.49Nwallins|hometarzeau: checking out mbmon
00:33.50ZeeOsyscp
00:33.59ZeeOi want a pure-ftpd web admin
00:34.00ZeeOi can
00:34.05stewdunno why people like this one so much over top, i guess its just a bit shinier
00:34.06abrotmantarzeau: i don't care .. i don't use mplayer
00:34.08ZeeOt get the pure-ftp-mysql to work
00:34.13simonrvnshinier
00:34.17tarzeauabrotman: i do. my own :)
00:34.23tarzeauabrotman: and lame?
00:34.24abrotmantarzeau: i've seen
00:34.25anapivirtuaNight.
00:34.28abrotmantarzeau: why?
00:34.43Nwallins|hometarzeau: lm-sensors feels like a giant hack though.  I had already configured it as much as possible, but the config does not match the mobo specs, in terms of what chip provides what
00:34.56tarzeauNwallins|home: and mbmon?
00:34.57Nwallins|hometarzeau: I have since formatted and reinstalled...
00:35.02pirvingthanks Gentlemen
00:35.05Nwallins|hometarzeau: just checking mbmon out, now
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00:36.28simonrvni think my fricking hub is dying
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00:36.51Nwallins|homesimonrvn: heh, hub?  what is this, 1995?
00:36.59simonrvnvery funny
00:37.10Nwallins|homesimonrvn: actually, hubs are great for network sniffing :)
00:37.23simonrvni know
00:37.42Nwallins|homei had to shop for a few months to find a true hub.  most sold these days are really switches under the covers
00:37.52stewsimonrvn: happy friday!
00:38.03abrotman!prize simonrvn
00:38.05abrotmansee!
00:38.14simonrvnoh this one's a hub alright, doesn't do anything except route packets to whatever is connected to it
00:38.26stews/route/copy/
00:38.28wolsI'd say simonrvn would be happier if dpkg gave him a hub
00:38.30simonrvnyeh, copy
00:38.59mzilikazihmm i have a compex hub collecting dust somewhere around here
00:39.19tarzeauabrotman: do you know dadadodo ?
00:39.25simonrvni have a switch, some 3com thing, but i don't know if it works... dumpstered
00:39.30abrotmantarzeau: it's a VW commercial
00:39.59simonrvni have no idea if it's resettable, or whatever, or what port the telnet is on
00:40.14simonrvn(yes, i read the pdfs ;)
00:40.19abrotmanis it a managed hub ?
00:40.36simonrvncurrent oe? naw, just 5 ports and a power plug
00:41.11simonrvnanyway, enough OT, gonna go read up (again)
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00:43.20dondelelcaroI'm going to be removing 24 lines of bans; /ignore #debian MODES; is strongly recommended
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00:43.54RichiHheh
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00:44.41pythonicthe debian installer manual says i can resize windows partitions... does this defragment the windows filesystem first?
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00:45.02RichiHpythonic: i would ask again once dondelelcaro is finished
00:45.18abrotmanpythonic: no
00:45.32abrotmannot AFAIK anyways
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00:45.40wolspythonic: look up ntfsresize. that's the program that does it
00:45.41dondelelcaroyou can remove the /ignore #debian MODES if youw ant
00:46.01abrotmanwols: ntfsresize does defrag ?
00:46.14pythonicis ntfsresize in the installer?
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00:46.48wolsabrotman: I didn't defeag when I recently resized my notebook ntfs drive
00:47.16wolspythonic: in one form or the othre it has to be. not ntfs resizing otherwise
00:47.50pythonicthe manual says "If your machine has a FAT or NTFS filesystem, as used by DOS and Windows, you can wait and use Debian installer's partitioning program to resize the filesystem."
00:48.14pythonici'll read on...
00:48.50simonrvnwee :), don, hehe
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00:51.41pythoniccan i use i386 installer on amd64 laptop?
00:51.48abrotmanwols: guess the real answer is to read the ntfsresize man page :)
00:51.52abrotmanpythonic: yes
00:54.21pythonicinstaller manual section 3.5.1.1. lossless repartitioning using fips seems a bit dicey
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00:56.00pythonicaha! partman uses ntfsresize :-)
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00:58.46grubbypythonic: ntfsresize doesn't defrag - it relocates data as needed when resizing
00:59.05simonrvnbig difference
01:01.13pythonicokay, but it does do relocating, unlike fips. cool :-)
01:01.52grubbyfips can't relocate data - that's a really old program
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01:10.47jmalicki_kupesoft: its not /dev/ttyS0, its stdout.
01:10.54jmalicki_kupesoft: man setvbuf
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01:11.02jetscreamercan you pw protect a directory when it gets connected to via ftp?
01:11.03jmalicki_by default stdout is line buffered
01:11.16jmalicki_err
01:11.21jmalicki_this is debian not #c, sorry
01:11.29jmalicki_kupesoft: check ssty
01:11.32jmalicki_stty
01:11.32jetscreamerheh
01:11.57kupesoftjmalicki_: alright,
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01:13.14kupesoftjmalickI_: I'm not really sure what I'm looking for?
01:13.26Nwallins|hometarzeau: mbmon says 'no hardware monitor found'
01:13.53jmalicki_kupesoft: i've actually never seen similar ttyS0 problems.. are you running debian stuff, not writing a program?
01:15.35kupesoftjmalicki_: Yup, just running getty!
01:16.00pip69hi, i have a netgear ma521 and i can't get it to work. i am running debian 3.1 kernel 2.6 please help me
01:16.00kupesoftjmalicki_: I only get output after a line ending... Could it be the usb-to-serial adapter I have?
01:16.01abrotman!tell assasukasse about away
01:16.09Caelumwhat's a visio replacement for linux?
01:16.18abrotmandia .. depending on your needs
01:16.26Caelumthank you
01:16.53karstenAnyone know WTF mvfs (/dev/mvfs) is/
01:17.03kupesoftjmalikci_: Hmm, could it be my client and not the server?
01:18.05kupesoftjmalikci_: It was on my client, I fixxed it with "stty cbreak < /dev/ttyUSB0 > /dev/ttyUSB0 2>&1"
01:18.33abrotmankarsten: i don't have it
01:18.46karstenabrotman: It's clearcase stuff I think
01:18.50abrotmanoh
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01:18.56Nwallins|hometarzeau: I shouldn't have to do any modprobe or config, right?
01:18.56abrotmanyou're on your own there :)
01:19.37jmalicki_kupesoft: i would bet its your client
01:19.46jmalicki_kupesoft: try stty -icanon on your *client*
01:20.06jmalicki_kupesoft: err yes, stty cbreak ;)
01:20.46pythonicis it safe to run ntfsresize on a new laptop before booting windows for the first time?
01:21.03simonrvnha, i found some buried web site that has more docs on this switch i have
01:21.07karstenabrotman: "multiversion filesystem"
01:21.11abrotmanew!
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01:21.23karstenabrotman: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27005767
01:21.31karstenabrotman: VMS!
01:21.34abrotmannot gonna get tainted!
01:21.36dondelelcaropythonic: it shouldn't really matter
01:21.52jmalicki_karsten: i think its a clearcase thing?
01:22.06pythonicdondelelcaro: okay. and overwriting the mbr is alright too?
01:22.15jmalicki_oh you said that
01:22.17dondelelcaropythonic: it should be.
01:22.23pythonicok, thanks :-)
01:23.15pythonici haven't used windows in ten years, but now i have a little windows programming to do for work... :-/
01:25.20karstenjmalicki_: Now where did I hear that? ;-)
01:25.32karstenjmalicki_: ... but thanks
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01:28.41opc0dehey can anyone point me to a good resource for cloning my hard drive to a larger drive?
01:28.51opc0deI don't want to use dd since the source drive has bad blocks
01:29.41abrotmanand it wouldn't work right since the drives are different sizes
01:30.16opc0deabrotman: right, that too, although I'm sure there's a way around that
01:30.35opc0deediting the partition table somehow
01:30.49abrotmanrsync? tar? cpio?
01:30.51pythonicopc0de: dd noerror
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01:31.10opc0deabrotman: yeah, that's what I'd like, but will rsync copy all the necessary files?
01:31.43abrotmanas opposed to leaving your music behind ?
01:32.01pythonicand your pr0n?
01:32.02opc0depythonic: the source drive is only using 2.8 gigs, while the drive itself is 120 gigs.. using dd will also be slow
01:32.16opc0deabrotman: this is the asterisk phone server at work, no music or porn
01:32.18opc0dewell, very little porn
01:32.34opc0deokay, 80% porn, 20% phone system
01:32.39abrotmannice hold music .. BOW CHICKA BOW WOW ...
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01:33.02opc0deabrotman: I mean will it copy all the special device files and all the rest properly
01:33.16abrotmanare you using udev ?
01:33.23opc0deI believe so
01:33.31abrotmandevice files are recreated at boot
01:34.10opc0deand how do I copy the MBR?
01:34.30abrotmanyou rewrite it after the copy
01:34.41opc0deI want to make sure my drive is bootable
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01:35.01abrotmanonly thing i know that will copy mbr is dd
01:35.35opc0dethis is actually a raid system, one of the drives (maxtor) failed, so I replaced it with a WD250 gig.. when I try to add the western digital drive to the RAID, the first maxtor now reports bad blocks and the copy fails.. so I want to get rid of the maxtor altogether
01:35.40opc0deI'll never buy maxtor again btw
01:36.08opc0dethey just don't make them like they used to
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01:36.31abrotmanopc0de: i could give you my theory on HDDs :)
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01:37.18opc0deabrotman: go for it
01:37.30abrotmanit's OT ...
01:37.54opc0deso is there any kind of documentation/howto that explains how to make a complete bootable drive clone for debian?
01:38.19dondelelcaroopc0de: the easiest way is just to dd
01:38.37abrotmansizes don't match
01:38.40dondelelcaroopc0de: but if you need to do something more complex, you can trivially partition, mount, rsync, and install grub.
01:38.43opc0dedondelelcaro: 1) the second drive is bigger than the first drive, 2) only 2.8 gigs are being used
01:38.44dondelelcaroabrotman: doesn't really matter.
01:38.48pip69which card if any will work with debian. LinkSys WCP11 ver4, or D-Link DWL-650,or another D-Link 650 RevI or Netgear MA521, or Netgear MA401
01:38.54dondelelcaroso long as the drive is larger, it'llw ork
01:39.03nomasteryodaD-Link DWL-650
01:39.06abrotmandondelelcaro: sure .. but if he wants to use more space .. it turns into a hassle
01:39.09nomasteryodawith madwifi drivers
01:39.11opc0dedondelelcaro: I want to put as little stress on the source drive as possible.. it's got a bunch of bad blocks
01:39.13nomasteryodaand modules...
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01:39.24opc0deit's only the grub part that I'm confused about
01:39.32Nwallins|homeopc0de: well, you either copy the blocks or you don't ...
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01:39.44dondelelcaroopc0de: that part is just a matter of running grub-install
01:39.48dondelelcaroopc0de: it's pretty simple
01:39.49abrotmanopc0de: man grub-install
01:39.51Ankmanpip69: any luck?
01:39.52opc0deokay
01:42.43opc0deI'll give it a try
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01:59.53pip69can you walk me thru please
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02:03.33Ankmani can either mail you the source or you search for rtl8180-sa2400-dev-fix.for2.6.17.tar.gz yourself
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02:03.39starzwtf
02:03.39Ankmanwb netsplit, hope yoiu had a nice day ;-)
02:03.39pip69Ankman: can i pm you
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02:03.40Ankmansure
02:03.40Nwallins|homedoes modprobe -l show enabled modules or available modules?
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02:03.41rpccan someone please explain to me what does this thing mean? kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
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02:03.41rpceth0 went down?
02:03.41pip69Ankman: i sent u pm
02:03.41pip69rpc: ifconfig eth0 up
02:03.41solar_antfirst time i am seeing a split in freenode !
02:03.42Ankmancan't see
02:03.42Ankmani pm you
02:03.42mangohi, I want to know if my laptop has a blue tooth device or not please. I have run demsg and I got the following message http://pastebin.ca/379229. could you help please? thanks
02:03.42Nwallins|homesolar_ant: get used to it :)
02:03.42rpcpip69 hm
02:03.42solar_antNwallins|home:  :)
02:03.42rpcpip69 and do you have a clue why would eth0 go down?
02:03.42solar_anti think due to the split my messages were not delivered to the channel
02:03.43solar_antinvoke-rc.d: initscript apache, action "reload" failed.
02:03.43Ankmantimeout, nothing to worry
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02:03.44Ankmanpip69 got my PM?
02:03.44solar_antdpkg: error processing twiki (--remove):
02:03.44solar_anti am unable to remove a package
02:03.44abrotmanyou can put exit 0 at the top of the script
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02:03.45pip69Ankman: yes and i replied ...if your nick register ?
02:03.45Ankmanpip69: i'm gonna quit in 30 minutes...
02:03.45Ankmanoh
02:03.45Ankmanthought i did
02:03.46Ankmandah, i open a new channel, call it WPC
02:03.46pip69hahah
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02:03.46rpcis there any reason for which br0 would break from time to time?
02:03.46Ankmanplease go there
02:03.47rpci noticed this NETDEV prob each time there is a high traffic on bridged host
02:03.47rpchow can i debug this shitty issue?
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02:03.49Nwallins|homeis it normal for P4 (2GHz) to be 31deg C, and Opteron 246 (940) (2GHz) to be 50deg C ?
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02:03.49solar_antabrotman: which script ,,, if i know that i will commentout 5the line causing the trouble
02:03.49Nwallins|homeno load on opty
02:03.50abrotmansolar_ant: it shuld tell you .. like the postinst or prerm etc
02:03.50solar_antabrotman: its the postremove script
02:03.50solar_antand  how to locate the postremove script for app twiki
02:03.50abrotman/var/lib/dpkg/info/
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02:03.51starssup abrotman ^^
02:03.52bizis there another light-weight window manager like 'tinywm' that has support to focus a window and type something in?
02:03.52stars<= starz/starscalling/nekostar :P
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02:03.52starsbiz how light?
02:03.52starswhat about icewm thats rather nice
02:03.52starsor blackbox
02:03.52starsor fluxbox
02:03.53abrotmanstars: you haven't been around in a while
02:03.53bizi prefer openbox out of these (:
02:03.53vlt|homeHello. What's the name of the ncurses based LVM config tool that's used in debian installer? Can I use it later standalone to modify lvm settings easily?
02:03.53starsor enlightenment thats awesome
02:03.53starsabrotman here and there... been busy irl =/
02:03.53abrotmanah
02:03.53geo-rgebiz: fvwm2?
02:03.54starsbiz try enlightenment then.. its beautiful and friggan fast..
02:03.54mrcheeksfvwm is fast
02:03.54starsyes that is indeed
02:03.54starsabrotman i do the loan officer thing remember lol
02:03.54starsthat reminds me
02:03.54mrcheeksbut if you want configuration use icewm or anything your pc can tolerate
02:03.54starsi telemarket for em
02:03.54geo-rgeor sawmill or sawfish, those are the ones where I liked the focusing features
02:03.54starsand you said before not to admit that hehee
02:03.54starsalways wondered why
02:03.55abrotmani told you?
02:03.55MidgetDNhey guys, I'm trying to install beryl on etch with a Radeon 9200 but I'm not sure what driver I should install, the free one from the xserver-xorg-video-ati package or the binary from the ATI site? (I know this is more of a beryl question but that room's dead so I figured somebody here might know)
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02:03.56solar_antthanks abrotman
02:03.57starsi think
02:03.57abrotmanall working ?
02:03.57geo-rgewell other than the beryl thing, I believe that card is old enough so that the opensource driver ought to work
02:03.57starslol been a while ^_^
02:03.57starswhat card do you have geo-rge ?
02:03.57abrotmanMidgetDN: you don't need fglrx
02:03.57geo-rgeanyway try that first...
02:03.57geo-rgea 9700?
02:03.57starsah ati
02:03.57geo-rgeone sec I forgot
02:03.58geo-rge01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
02:03.58stars0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6200 (rev a1)  <<---- 45 bucks delievered from newegg.com ^_^
02:03.58starshey abrotman what do you think about the nvidia open source alternatives?
02:03.58abrotman00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
02:03.58abrotman^^ don't have to play with crappy drivers :)
02:03.58starsnot the regular one but um... was a wierd name for it.. the one that met the pledge a bit ago
02:03.59starslol abrotman
02:03.59abrotmannouveau
02:03.59abrotmanand i don't own any nvidia hardware
02:04.00geo-rgeabrotman: yeah, I might consider that, but does that have 3d features, for example can you run things like black n white 2?
02:04.00starsnouveau  that one
02:04.00abrotmangeo-rge: in windows ?
02:04.00geo-rgeyeah, not sure how else
02:04.01starsah... i was hoping it had good support for dual mons.. gonna give it a shot either way even though its still alpha/beta
02:04.01abrotmani haven't played B&W since i had a matrox card
02:04.01abrotmangeo-rge: i'd need a linux thingie to try
02:04.01abrotmangeo-rge: the only game i play in windows is TA :)
02:04.01geo-rgethe only big games that even touched linux that I know of are doom, uhh, 3, quake4 and neverwinter
02:04.01wols<PROTECTED>
02:04.02MidgetDNwols: huh?
02:04.02wolsthe driver you want
02:04.02shaywin 1
02:04.02starsalso i was thinking about doing something a little off the track and would love feedback
02:04.02abrotmansinging ?
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02:04.18starswas thinking of setting tty's to highest res i think vga=792 is max; then running my entire system from that. not even installing X .. is that even possible for a desktop type of application? like say xchat?
02:04.32itchigeo-rge: I have a  VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA])  and in MS this is a realy amazing gfx card
02:04.33starsi know mplayer doesnt strictly need X... but what about normal stuff?
02:04.59geo-rgewhy just in ms?
02:05.10MidgetDNwols: you mean a package named radeon? i'm not sure what you mean.
02:05.28itchigeo-rge: Cause of in Debian it not yet runs very wel, but i have not look many to get it working amazing, like i never play
02:05.30wolsno I mean what I typed: an X driver
02:05.34abrotmanMidgetDN: it's the driver you choose
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02:06.03itchigeo-rge: I mean, the 3D is a bit poor 'default'
02:06.04geo-rgeitchi: *nod*
02:06.38abrotmanitchi: it's not that bad .. jeez
02:06.50itchigeo-rge: But fgfs in MS with 3D clouse, all options full, and still get 45 frame rates seconds
02:06.52abrotmanitchi: at least you don't require a deal with the devil to get the drivers working
02:07.01itchiclouds*
02:07.10itchiabrotman: yup
02:07.25geo-rgewhat;'s fgfs
02:07.26itchiBah i guess, i forget to do somthings in Debian
02:07.41itchigeo-rge: Google is your friend :-p
02:07.44itchi!fgfs
02:07.44dpkgwell, fgfs is FlightGear Flight Simulator, an open-source, multi-platform, cooperative flight simulator development project, see also http://www.flightgear.org/, see also http://wiki.flightgear.org/
02:07.53geo-rgeahh
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02:08.01itchigeo-rge: Realy nice thing
02:08.01geo-rgethat runs on linux?
02:08.06thorat!dpkg
02:08.06dpkgfrom memory, dpkg is there a reason you dont talk to me
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02:08.16starsoh yeah
02:08.23itchigeo-rge: Sure
02:08.31itchigeo-rge: apt-cache search
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02:08.39geo-rge!info fgfs etch
02:08.57itchigeo-rge: fgfs is the abrevation
02:09.16starsalso does anyone know if its possible to get m$'s flight sim working via say wine or something in debian? i got a friend who tells me thats the only m$ app he's tied to.. would make the switch today if he could... i advised dual booting for a few weeks before committing but yeah.... ??
02:09.26abrotmanstars: ask #wine hq
02:09.29abrotmanerm .. #winehq
02:09.30MidgetDNabrotman: in xorg.conf you mean?
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02:09.53abrotman!drxx MidgetDN
02:09.53dpkgMidgetDN: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
02:09.57abrotmanravenbird: hi!
02:09.58ravenbirdhi
02:10.01abrotmanravenbird: how are you
02:10.02ravenbirdabrotman: just great
02:10.07abrotmanravenbird: cookie
02:10.07geo-rgewhy run ms fs, if something works natively?
02:10.13itchistars: Bah, let him show fgfs and all the other little projects around fgfs ;-)
02:10.30stonedstars: cedega maybe
02:10.35stonedstars: #cedega
02:10.44itchiJust search good about fgfs related stuff, like there are many ones
02:10.53starsitchi fgfs is what? stoned yeah that costs...
02:11.03itchistars: Scroll up or google it
02:11.03stonedstars: yeh not if you search the web for it
02:11.11geo-rgestars: we did that already :) scroll up :)
02:11.20stonedstars: im not going to tell you where to get it, but you can get it if you want ;)
02:11.20starsravenbird thats an awesome project btw
02:11.21ravenbirdstars: I wish you would RTFM.
02:11.29stonedhah
02:11.43starsravenbird if there were a friggan manual i would read it dork
02:11.44ravenbirdi haven't a clue, stars
02:11.45eldowanstoned: evening
02:11.50stonedhey there
02:11.54starsXD
02:11.56itchiJust a bit sad that 'default' the nice options are not enabled. Most 'new' fgfs users find fgfs crap, cause of the disabled options :-s
02:11.57stonedI'll be in houston next monday dude!
02:12.04eldowanI've heard that one before...
02:12.06eldowan:)
02:12.12stonedI am emptying out my apt on tuesday this week
02:12.20stonedbut a week after that I will be in houston
02:12.26eldowansweet
02:12.27geo-rgeliving there?
02:12.32stonedI dunno
02:12.33starsbtw ravenbird there was no reply when they did the info on it ~_~
02:12.40stonedI'm gonna go check it out, and check out some universities etc.
02:12.50stonedthen I am gonig to visit NYC and do the same thing
02:12.57geo-rgewhat you study
02:12.58stonedthen Seattle, and then LA
02:13.02starsoh
02:13.06stonedwhereever I like i'll stay there
02:13.08starsthe open source flight sim thing
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02:13.15starsyeah ill shoot that by him too ^^
02:13.16stonedI was going to school for CIS, Comp. Information Security
02:13.24geo-rgeif music, you might consider north texas state... renouned dept
02:13.30stonedbut after a year I stopped and changed to Music Composition and Education
02:13.32eldowanstoned: thats actually what I've been contemplating
02:13.39eldowancis thatis
02:13.45geo-rgeor manhattan school of music or U of Miami
02:13.51dondelelcaroapt: dpkg
02:13.53apt[dpkg] a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs).
02:13.53stonedI have a book from there
02:13.53itchistars: Search good for the tools related to fgfs, there's realy many interesting stuff for it
02:14.01stonedI applied at manhattan school of music, wish me luck!
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02:14.08stonedeldowan: CIS is a great major
02:14.16stonedI think I'll start going to school back for CIS agian
02:14.29eldowanI was thinking of going pure mathematics
02:14.35stonedouch
02:14.40dondelelcarodpkg: no, dpkg is <reply> dpkg is a bot (me!), but more importantly it's the command which actually installs and otherwise manages Debian packages (.deb files).
02:14.40dpkgdondelelcaro: okay
02:15.04eldowan!dpkg
02:15.04dpkgdpkg is a bot (me!), but more importantly it's the command which actually installs and otherwise manages Debian packages (.deb files).
02:15.06starskewl thanx itchi now i got a handle on it ^^
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02:15.29itchistars: Look good he ;-)
02:15.40stonedeldowan: I umm redid my site
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02:15.55stonedeldowan: i dunno if you knew or ever saw, but I was working on a debian music multimedia app type website
02:15.56eldowancss is fun
02:16.07stonedwell about debian main pacakges concerning it
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02:16.21stonedrecording and what not
02:16.30abrotmanisn't that what the angula site is for ?
02:16.35eldowanstoned: never knew. did you recover any of your recordings?
02:16.43abrotmanand isn't there a debian-studio site ?
02:16.46stonedabrotman: mine won't be exhaustive
02:16.55stonedabrotman: mine will be based on what I do and how I get it done
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02:17.27stonedand also about guitar tab apps, music theory, guitar lessons and all that..
02:17.33starsitchi yeah ^_^
02:17.43starsim not one for em but i think i gotta give that a shot XD
02:17.55stonedI have tuxguitar, and its awesome.  it reads gp3 to gp5 tabs too so I can make my songs in multitrack guitar tabs
02:18.05abrotmanstoned: http://64studio.com/
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02:18.11stonedi have not yet found a powertb reader for linux
02:18.23stonedthere is ptabtools but that doesnt' give actual powertab playback midi support
02:18.34stonedits just a convertor
02:19.05n3klstoned: what sort of hardware do you have?
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02:20.08eldowanstoned: houston Tx, March 10: Texas Metal Fest '07
02:20.21stoned5 guitars, a bass, a violin, two gigantic 100W amps, 1 20W marshall amp, a floor monitor, BOSS ME 50 fx board.  then I have a debian recording machine, with sid, and hw is core 2 duo, 1gb ram, onboard realtek hd audio chip, on the 965p chipset
02:20.32stonedeldowan: march 12th, stoned turns 26
02:20.32stoned:)
02:20.41itchiabrotman: In Debian i get max 15 frame rates seconde with all options disabled, while in MS i set all options enabled and get 40-55 frame rates :-s  Yeah, i should need to look a bit more
02:20.48eldowanstoned: yer old...
02:20.57stonedI'm still young
02:20.57abrotmanitchi: sounds like DRI isn't working at all
02:21.03stonedI get carded for stuff
02:21.11abrotmanstoned: dguitar ?
02:21.12stonedpeople don't believe I'm 18
02:21.17itchiabrotman: Bah, it is, but ... poor :-(
02:21.19vlt|homeHello. Does LUKS support resize the size of a device? I extended the underlying LVM volume ...
02:21.20stonedabrotman: no tux guitar is MUCH better
02:21.27n3klstoned: and what software are you using?  are you just recording, or are you composing anything computer side, like beats or such?
02:21.31stoneddguitar doesn't read powertab file
02:21.33abrotmanitchi: i get more than that on 855
02:21.48stonedn3kl: here I will give you a link to an unfinished section of my site
02:22.16stonedhttp://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/index.php?page=hydrogen
02:22.21stonedI use hydrogen to make beats
02:22.22MidgetDNCTRL+ALT+Backspace will restart GDM, right?
02:22.24itchiabrotman: The next time i want to play, i go first look more about it, just need i want to play haha
02:22.32RichiHMidgetDN: it will restart X
02:22.32abrotmanok
02:22.36vlt|homeMidgetDN: It will restart X ... and gdm.
02:22.58n3klstoned: you like hydrogen?
02:23.08stonedn3kl: I don't use any software (none that I know of in debian main) that makes music like fruity loops or something
02:23.11stonedso no
02:23.12MidgetDNis there a way to only restart gdm? /etc/init.d/gdm restart?
02:23.15stonedn3kl: I love hydrogen
02:23.24eldowanMidgetDN: correct
02:23.31geo-rgefgfs-base is -161- mb
02:23.33RichiHMidgetDN: i think that might restart X as well. at least stop will stopp X, too
02:23.36kupesoftMy USB-to-serial device only seems to accept I/O on a line-buffered basis. A quick fix is issuing the command, "stty cbreak < /dev/ttyUSB0 > /dev/ttyUSB0 2>&1". What's the underlying problem and how can I fix it?
02:23.46MidgetDNok thanks
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02:24.18RichiHde nada
02:24.20n3klstoned: I have worked extensively with windows apps a while back, and recently I have been looking into getting a recording interface, maudio 410 usb is what I was eyeing, but the software does not seem to be up to spec.
02:24.42geo-rgekupesoft: usb is buffered
02:24.46stonedn3kl: I use audacity to do multitracking
02:24.58itchigeo-rge: Man, download the world sceneries, and you have 20GB of data :-)
02:25.06stonedn3kl: I export hydrogen songs as wav and import into audacity, then I play rythem/lead over it
02:25.20itchigeo-rge: Then search for all you lovely planes and ... your full :-)
02:25.27n3klstoned: I have piddled with lmms, hydrogen, rosegarden...  I have several instruments, and I would like top be able to take advantage of a midi keyboard and VTS synths, which apear no existant under linux
02:25.30stonedif I can find a beat making sw in linux that also does syth stuff that would be awesome
02:25.31kupesoftgeo-rge: How can I disable it?
02:25.35stonedsomething hopefully semi easy to use
02:25.49itchigeo-rge: Yeah, the stuff is kinda big, but the minimal base is respectable
02:25.55stonedn3kl: hydrogen can use vst plugins
02:26.45itchigeo-rge: Each world part is separeted, see  http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/scenery-0.9.10.html
02:26.48geo-rgeitchi: not quite ready for that... however... I have a 250g drive, and on that a 100g lvm pv that's maybe 20% full
02:26.57geo-rgeso I -could- :)
02:26.59n3klstoned: so, my goal would be to use software synths, with a 4 octave midi keyboard, no onboard processing necessary for the synth, then use a drum machine like hydrogen and track a guitar and bass over that
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02:27.22n3klstoned: I might have to give hydrogen a harder look
02:27.43n3klstoned: have you seen lmms?
02:27.47itchigeo-rge: There are also special sceneries, like the guys of france have do a big beautifull work and have draw Paris for exempla
02:27.51geo-rgeis hydrogen jack-only?
02:28.20geo-rgespeaking of jack...
02:28.24itchigeo-rge: Yeah, a bit pain on the ass to find all the stuff, but once you got it ... it's amazing :-)
02:28.30n3klstoned: its similar to fruity loops, but most of the stock sounds are worthless for anything real.  Which is why I would like to take advantage of vst and synth my own shtuff
02:28.38pythonicdm-crypt or loop-aes?
02:29.12geo-rgeis it possible to make jack the main audio conduit for the desktop?
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02:29.22n3klstoned: you know where to get drumkits for hydrogen?
02:29.24eldowandoesn't loop-aes replace dm-crypt?
02:29.42geo-rgeitchi: download is almost done
02:29.59pythoniceldowan: etch debian installer defaults to dm-crypt
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02:30.23pythonicso i don't know :-}
02:30.24eldowanpythonic: aah, OK
02:30.28claudemirgood night people
02:30.31geo-rgeit's installing them now
02:31.01pythonicummm... wtf?!? my laptop just died.
02:31.02claudemiri compiled my kernel with HTB(bandlimith)
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02:31.21itchigeo-rge: To be honnest the cvs version is much more interesting, like the fgfs project is havy in working
02:31.44claudemirbut isn´t function in question download and navigation
02:31.57itchigeo-rge: Join the mailing list, you gona see how much new things there come on
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02:32.21geo-rgewhew... the last thing I need right now is more mail :)
02:32.40itchigeo-rge: Yeah, you get much of the fgfs haha
02:32.50claudemirwhen i do one download, my navigation stay bad...any idea?
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02:33.55geo-rgeI need dri/drm to make that work to any degree of reasonableness :)
02:34.06pythonicaha! loose power.
02:34.35itchigeo-rge: Without dri you get 1 frame seconde haha
02:34.48geo-rgeyeah, bad bad
02:35.03itchigeo-rge: You need at least 15-20
02:35.29geo-rgeand I've tried to get dri to work, but... well that's a different story, not getting into it right now
02:35.46itchigeo-rge: bah, fix it :-p
02:36.18geo-rgemaybe the next week or so... I'm preparing for a playing session atm
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02:42.23MidgetDNare there any tools that allow browsing of shares on a windows network? instead of having to manually mount network shares that I want to use?
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02:45.14dondelelcaroMidgetDN: there are a few, like linneighborhood, smbbrowse, etc.
02:45.28nekostarlinneighborhood was fairly nice actually ^^
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02:46.32waspiushello can someone tell me how to setup my wireless network..check if card is found etc?
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02:48.00itchiwaspius: Wich type is it? pci, pmcia, usb?
02:48.32MidgetDNdondelelcaro: thanks. if I install a package (like linneighborhood) how can I find out what files it installed and where?
02:48.35waspiusitchi: it is on a laptop on the chipset
02:48.42heh_v_wateris there a way to stop framebuffer devices from loading on boot? I am using Etch 2.6.18-4-k7
02:49.01itchiwaspius: Try  lspci  and look if it's there, or pastebin the result of it
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02:49.20abrotmanMidgetDN: dpkg -L <pkg>
02:49.24itchiheh_v_water: Not load that framebuffer module??
02:49.34MidgetDNthanks abrotman
02:50.04waspiuswhere do i paste?
02:50.15heh_v_wateritchi, the kernel is loading it i've looked all over for it and can't find it anywhere, specifically it's the nvidiafb loading and contorting all of the text
02:50.15abrotman!paster
02:50.16dpkgpaster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
02:50.23waspiusthanx
02:50.30dummycompiz works with gnome i just cant find compiz settings i dont know how to find em i can use compiz features but cant find settings
02:50.48MidgetDNwhy is firefox called iceweasel? hahaha!
02:50.55Nwallins|homedoes `modprobe -l` show enabled or available modules? the man page is ambiguous
02:51.04heh_v_waterdummy, installed from the debian packages?
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02:51.14dummyyes
02:51.16abrotmanNwallins|home: enabled
02:51.24dummyapt-get
02:51.30Nwallins|homeabrotman: ah,  thanks
02:51.30abrotman!iceweasel
02:51.30dpkghmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
02:51.31Azarhello honorables
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02:51.33waspiusitchi: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5543.
02:51.42itchiheh_v_water: Here for this diabolic thing i have a module  radeonfb
02:51.51dummylinux kicks ass
02:51.56heh_v_waterdummy, if you read the docs I believe it says the settings utility isn't included with the debian package, why I have no idea..
02:51.59dummysorry i had to say it
02:52.20Azarwhould anyone imagine why an unbutu HOWTO site will teach its users how to use the new Debian Etch installer?
02:52.24Azar:)
02:52.24dummycool ill try and find it thats good anyway
02:52.27eldowanisnt' there a way to pastebin from the console?
02:52.33dondelelcaroeldowan: yes.
02:52.36abrotman!whats my hardware
02:52.36dpkgYou can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips!
02:52.37heh_v_wateritchi for your nvidia device?
02:52.44eldowandondelelcaro: where would I find that?
02:52.46abrotmaneldowan: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx
02:52.48Azar.. are they inviting their base to move to Debian Etch?
02:52.49itchiheh_v_water: Nope, for that other diabolic one
02:53.14itchiwaspius: Looks like you have a  0000:00:09.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)
02:53.14Azarmr dondelecaro hi, when is the debates date?
02:53.48waspiusitchi: which means?
02:53.52eldowandondelelcaro: thanks a bunch
02:53.57heh_v_watersee here's the weird thing, I can unload it in 2.6.18-3
02:54.21itchiwaspius: Try  /sbin/modprobe -l *prism*   and it will show you the available modules for prism
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02:54.35itchiwaspius: Load it
02:54.36Tobeheh_v_water, fb=false video=vga16:off at boot
02:54.54heh_v_waterTobe thats what I was looking for ty and I'll give it a shot
02:55.00Lilandrahi, does anybody know what defaults fonts fluxbox installs with on debian?
02:55.17heh_v_waterTobe, this is for grub correct?
02:55.22waspiusitchi: how do i load it?
02:55.27dondelelcaroeldowan: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/projects/debian/pbotutil.pl
02:55.35Tobeheh_v_water, grub or lilo afaik :)
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02:55.48Tobeheh_v_water, as long as you pass them as boot parameters
02:55.53itchiwaspius: Maybe first look if it's not yet already  lsmod | grep prism
02:56.01eldowandondelelcaro: nice.
02:56.06itchiwaspius: If it's not loaded   modprobe prism54
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02:56.36itchiLilandra: That depend of the theme you use
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02:56.58waspiusitchi: it says usage:lsmod
02:57.03Lilandraitchi: it installed with Meta by default
02:57.32pigeonflightcan someone tell me more about the new python framework in etch? or point me to a page with information
02:57.39itchiwaspius: Did you not a typo?
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02:58.19waspiusitchi: yeah i made a mistake..i did the command but nothing happened
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02:58.50dav_elo
02:59.04itchiLilandra: Bah, it's not specified in the  /usr/share/fluxbox/styles/Meta   :-s
02:59.09dav_is it possible to use ndiswrapper for wifi card a debian installation
02:59.18itchiwaspius: Then it's not loaded
02:59.26waspiusitchi: ok thanx
02:59.44Lilandraitchi: i know! :( i like the fonts, they're just too big! :-)
03:00.25itchiLilandra: Haha, i always made these a bit more little of 2 size :-)
03:00.38pythonicdd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3 will stop at the end of the partition, eh?
03:00.44waspiusitchi: however modprobe command is said not to be found
03:01.00itchiwaspius: You need to do it as root user
03:01.10waspiusitchi: ok..thanx allot
03:01.13Lilandraitchi: i'm trying! they're huge!!! :-)
03:01.26itchiLilandra: That another theme ;-)
03:01.28Lilandraitchi: oh well, i'll just pick random fonts then
03:01.32dav_!cd-contents
03:01.39Lilandraitchi: okay...but i like meta
03:01.50itchiLilandra: I have a deb with some modied ones  http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/debs/fluxboxextrathemes_0.0.1_all.deb
03:01.54itchiLilandra: Hold on
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03:02.45waspiusitchi: ok and once i have done that what else do i need to do?
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03:03.08itchiLilandra: Here's a nice interesting theme to learn about it http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=320104&highlight=fluxbox
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03:03.12DocPlatypuspythonic: yes but you will want to use a bigger blocksize
03:03.16DocPlatypusotherwise it will take forver
03:03.19DocPlatypusforever*
03:03.23Lilandrathanks itchi!
03:03.42itchiwaspius: Use you gnome or another DE?
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03:03.54waspiusitchi: kde
03:04.07tarcisioportugus
03:04.12abrotman!pt
03:04.12dpkgEsse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
03:04.17pythonicwhat's the default block size? 512 bytes?
03:04.36itchiwaspius: Just use your network manager? Or in the cli look to the tools  iwlist  and  iwconfig  you need the wireless-tools package installed
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03:04.44tarcisioportugues
03:04.50waspiusitchi: ok thanx allot
03:04.52abrotman!br
03:04.52dpkgEsse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
03:04.58abrotmantarcisio: ^^^^^
03:04.59itchi!be
03:04.59dpkgit has been said that be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS.
03:05.01itchi:-p
03:05.12itchiBa, so little here :-)
03:05.23DocPlatypuspythonic: I think so
03:05.27DocPlatypusI would use at least 1m or so
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03:05.31dav_where can i get a list of the content of iso files ???
03:05.38dav_chich packages in wich iso
03:05.50pythonichow about cylinder size 8225280 bytes?
03:05.52itchidav_: Mount the iso
03:05.57Lilandraitchi: it's vista-like? :)
03:06.09bzeddav_: mount -o loop isofile.iso somedirectory
03:06.15dav_bad solar_ant
03:06.18dav_bad solution
03:06.19dav_:)
03:06.22DocPlatypusshould be good enough pythonic
03:06.28dav_i wont download the 5 dvd iso...
03:06.34itchiLilandra: Yeah, maybe, i dunno :-) but the 'source' is interesting to learn about it. It will help you i think to tweak/create nice themes
03:06.42Lilandraitchi: :)
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03:06.48itchiLilandra: I not have vista haha
03:06.49bzeddav_: which iso are you talking about?
03:06.58Lilandraitchi: neither me!
03:07.48itchi... there goes the vista war :-p
03:07.53pythonici have vista!
03:07.55dav_i also have  very strange  problemwith debian, at install debian says my card old S3 Virge can support 1024x768 but no way to us eit in that mode (but it s possible knoppix do it if i boot i launch fb1024x768) howto resolve that fucking problem
03:08.02itchiNah, we know why we are here :-)
03:08.03dav_bzed, iso install
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03:08.23bzeddav_: do you ahve a network connection on the pc you wanna install?
03:08.38itchidav_: Look to  /msg dpkg drxx
03:08.55nomasteryodapythonic, one of the few, ... now if you use it .. say good by to your mp3 files... that are not licensed ... accordingly MS will spy on you and report back to their minions ...
03:08.59DocPlatypusI told Microsoft "Hasta la Vista" about 5 years ago
03:09.03nomasteryodalol
03:09.14nomasteryodai told them so in 2001
03:09.15bzedDocPlatypus: rofl! that's a good one
03:09.37pythonicnomasteryoda: what about my unlicensed pr0n?
03:09.44nomasteryodalol
03:09.53nomasteryodawell, then Bush will have the FBI sent to your door
03:09.56nomasteryoda=D
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03:10.08pythonicsure, as long as they're good looking :-)
03:10.10nomasteryodathis country is going nuts
03:10.12bzedwe get free MS licences at university. I'm wunnign a win2k in kvm if I really really need one
03:10.12nomasteryodalol
03:10.18dav_bzed, that s the problem too i only have a PCI wlan that work with ndiswrapper :( but this install was strange no ndiswrapper, no openoffice, the language was not correct (i selected rench and kde was in english) i think it s because there was no net
03:10.30dav_!dpkg cd-content
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03:10.39bzedpythonic: pr0n is bad anyway, the army will get you
03:10.39DocPlatypusndiswrapper = evil
03:10.40itchiDocPlatypus: You are a medium :-)
03:10.59nomasteryodavmware a version using the free server version.. then you have it ... just run ini vmware player.. which is at least in ubuntu repos
03:11.10bzednomasteryoda: why not use kvm?
03:11.21bzeddav_: which card are you using? are you _really_ sure that you need ndiswrapper?
03:11.21nomasteryodawell, i've not tried it yet
03:11.27DocPlatypusno nice way to say it. Any wireless requiring ndiswrapper, you should take back for a refund
03:11.34itchidav_: It's normal rench does not exist :-p
03:11.36dav_bzed, wg511v2
03:11.44nomasteryodai hear Andrew put the new Wifi mac into kernel
03:11.46nomasteryoda=D
03:11.49dav_itchi, good joke :) french :)
03:11.53bzeddav_: if you really do, imho using knoppix to install debian would be a good alternative, as knoppix ships with ndiswrapper if I remember right
03:11.56eldowanare there 2.6 kernels available to an installed sarge system?
03:11.58itchidav_: Bonjour :-p
03:12.02nomasteryodaour woes on wifi are soon to be few
03:12.03DocPlatypusin fact... my advice is to use wireless that will work with OpenBSD, even if you never plan to run that... in theory, you have the most options about OS choice that way
03:12.28bzedeldowan: yes, I think sarge came with 2.6.8, anything more recent is on backports.org
03:12.42dav_bzed: i tried to install knoppix from the the cd but it didn't work i don't know exactly why the install program stopped
03:13.12itchidav_: Aaai, there is a reason, to fix it, you need to know the trouble :-s
03:13.40dav_itchi, yes that's a fucking problem :)
03:13.52dav_itchi, because the box i v installed debian is veryyyy old
03:13.57itchidav_: Try to get the exact error so that us can help you
03:14.12bzeddav_: you can use debrootstrap if you know how to.... well.. back to your wlan card - which chipset does it have? that thing was shipped with different chipsets
03:14.20dav_itchi, (i try at least 7 hard drive efore ffinding one that was not broken) (even i m not sure ) :)
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03:14.30itchieldowan: There is the .20 for Sarge to, a special cd
03:14.39bzeddav_: check it before you install then ;)
03:14.51bzed!tell eldowan about sarge 2.6.20
03:14.55dav_bzed, that s wha t i have done
03:14.59eldowanbzed: itchi: thanks for the info
03:15.00itchidav_: Download a rescue cd, and test the HDD first??
03:15.13bzeddav_: ok so. which chipset does your wlan card have!?
03:15.33dav_itchi, taht one is working i think, i have done a corrct format on it 120g (the other wre only 2go imagne how old they are)=
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03:16.07itchidav_: You gona been see if these is broken or not :-)
03:16.16dav_bzed, i don't know but i have ever tryed to make it detect on an other computer and t is said on the net the only way to make it run is with ndis
03:16.17ratahi
03:16.22bzeddav_: at least did my 120M hdd work for a way longer time than the 2G one ;)
03:16.41dav_bzed, sure :)
03:17.42bzeddav_: I'd sell it at ebay and get a decent one. probably you can just borrow a wlan router from a friend so you can use your normal network card to isntall and setup ndiswrapper
03:18.06Caelumhow do I make /usr/local/man take precedence over the regular man pages?
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03:18.24dav_bzed, not possible, the box is in another room :(
03:18.30DocPlatypusif you got it from a major retailer, RMA it to them instead of reselling it on eBay
03:18.39rataanyone have problems upgrading debian-archive-keyring 2006.11.22 -> 2007.02.19 ? It causes gpg to use all the cpu and never ends, so i kill it (ctrl+c) and it is broken, i dont know hot to fix it. I have tha last version of gnupg and that stuff
03:18.49DocPlatypusthe latter still counts as a sale to the manufacturer, the former does not (of course, they get you with restocking fees sometimes)
03:18.56bzeddav_: na, it is. 2 wlan router will work well together.
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03:19.15dav_bzed, i m poor you know :)
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03:19.24bzeddav_: that's why I said borrow
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03:19.48bzeddav_: you'd need it for a few hours only
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03:20.14bzeddav_: ask a friend if they can live without internet for a night and isntall your linux then
03:20.28dav_bzed, i don't have friend :)
03:21.03dav_bzed, no i think tomorrow i m gonna try to reinstall knoppix that time
03:21.13dav_bzed, i install that one for my mum
03:21.16itchidav_: bah, you can use the mine for some hours if you want, your not to far, if you come to me
03:21.20dav_bzed, imy mum is on linux ph34r
03:21.31bzeddav_: :D
03:22.09dav_bzed, no for real she just need a kde,net connection, kopete and openoffice THAT S ALL
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03:22.43dav_itchi, thank you, and at the same time i could go to holland for a good trip with you
03:23.11itchidav_: Nah, that not :-s
03:23.20bzeddav_: that's about the stuff I've installed on my father's computer, too
03:23.28itchidav_: There's maybe a nice trick for you  /msg dpkg shit  haha
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03:23.46bzed!shit
03:23.47dpkgwell, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit.
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03:23.58Uriko04deeeebian?
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03:24.01dav_itchi, did you ever truied to confiure a vpn network stned with weeds :) simply impossibe
03:24.05lawlis debian lesbian real
03:24.07Uriko04is debian like a bumble bee?
03:24.13regecksguys my ie7 crack didnt work
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03:24.16Uriko04de-BEE-an
03:24.20Uriko04see the connection?
03:24.22bzed!tell lawl about pr0n
03:24.33abrotmanDeb-Ian
03:24.34Uriko04hey, there's porn here?
03:24.36itchidav_: Dunno, i'm only addicted to coke, coffee, a bit Pisang Ambon and that's is it :-)
03:24.40Uriko04i'm starting to like this place.
03:24.52Uriko04so, where IS the porn?
03:24.57dav_itchi, you forgot linux
03:24.57abrotmanknock it off
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03:25.10iwubuxerxDCC SEND OMFGLOLROFLMAODIDUSEEMYPENISITWASHUGE
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03:25.13Uriko04?
03:25.13thoratabrotman: these guys where kicked off #haskell
03:25.14lawlhaha thanks bzed
03:25.17Uriko04someone said there was porn...
03:25.25lawl"apt-get install unzip and kiss"
03:25.25itchidav_: I do not care about Linux :-) Debian is another story, that's my second wife
03:25.26abrotmanUriko04: STOP
03:25.27pythonicUriko04: you're reading it.
03:25.31abrotmanthorat: i'm not surprised
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03:25.43lawlhttp://www.lesbian.mine.nu/apt-get-kiss.jpg
03:25.54Uriko04-.-
03:25.57Uriko04i have ubuntu
03:26.00Caelumthere's a package called pornview
03:26.07Uriko04:o
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03:26.15abrotmanUriko04: do you have a debian question ?
03:26.22dav_yes
03:26.27Uriko04sure, what's better.. debian or ubuntu?
03:26.28itchidav_: Wo love Linux? Nah, everyone love GNU :-)
03:26.35abrotmanyou're in #debian
03:26.45pythonicdd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3 bs=8225280 is taking forever :-/
03:26.51dav_itchi, me i love my wife and mydog :)
03:26.54yell0witchi, it's Gnu/linux b*
03:26.57yell0wget it right
03:27.05yell0w>_>
03:27.11Uriko04i'm aware i'm in debian
03:27.12pythonicwho's "mydog"?
03:27.12yell0w<_<
03:27.15dav_itchi, i don't have problem to make them boot , or toconfigure theur resolution :)
03:27.17Uriko04i want to know which is better
03:27.18Uriko04;o
03:27.26abrotmanidiotic trolls
03:27.29itchiyell0w: Sure i know, but mosly, people say, i use 'Linux'. But what about the other most important stuff also; GNU :-)
03:27.56Uriko04..what?
03:28.04lawlso with lesbian edition can i "porn-get [genre]"?
03:28.06Uriko04isn't debian a distro of linux
03:28.14yell0witchi, i know,  just going nazi on ya :P
03:28.29pythonicdebian is the universal operating system.
03:28.37dav_Uriko04, no it s a community of hard sex dog lovers
03:28.37itchiyell0w: That's not nice to talk about
03:28.38pythonicaliens use it too.
03:28.44Uriko04oh really?
03:28.46dav_Uriko04, :)
03:28.48Uriko04i'll stay i suppose
03:28.48abrotmandav_: are you done ?
03:28.55yell0witchi, lol nazi as in grammar nazi
03:29.01yell0wlol
03:29.03Uriko04universal operating system -.-
03:29.07dav_abrotman, no just tired 4 am here
03:29.22Caelumman, even if I set my MANPATH manually man still won't make /usr/local/man take precedence over /usr/share/man
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03:29.30itchiyell0w: You know, i'm from Belgium ... My grand-pa ... But that's OT
03:30.05abrotmanCaelum: dont' you have to regen the mandb ?
03:30.13thoratCaelum: did you export MANPATH?
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03:30.30dav_bzed, imagine i boot on knoppix does something of that kind work: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/hda ?
03:30.53dav_bzed, and configuring grub after
03:30.54yell0witchi, geez man, sorry if i hurt your feelings.
03:31.17bzedCaelum: /etc/manpath.config << tried to edit that?
03:31.41itchiyell0w: nah, just stay OT ;-)
03:31.45bzedCaelum: did you create the manpage dbs? without them MANPATH is useless as far as I remember
03:31.56itchiOn Topic, not OF :-)
03:32.05itchiarg, i need to sleep :-)
03:32.14pythonicnot Old Testament?
03:32.23yell0witchi,  g'night
03:32.39itchiyell0w: Thanks, i still wait a thing to finish
03:32.49yell0w=)
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03:32.54dav_i love #debian realy
03:32.59bzedCaelum: I guess changnig the order in /etc/manpath.conf and running /etc/cron.daily/man-db would have done the job
03:33.00lawli love lesbian
03:33.01lawlhttp://74.112.112.169/dccsend.png
03:33.02lawllol
03:33.13dav_it s realy not like french linux community
03:33.20itchidav_: Why was you not at the FOSDEM then?
03:33.23itchi:-)
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03:33.35dav_FR linux community are REALY NOT SYMPATIC and will never help you
03:33.54lawlje me couche chaque jour
03:34.04itchidav_: The FOSDEM is the best european anual meeting :-)
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03:34.12abrotmanlawl: stop
03:34.22dav_itchi, i ll think of it newt time
03:34.26lawlFKU
03:34.27bzeditchi: aaaaaaaargh. don;t tell me about it, I wanted to go there, but I need to learn for university
03:34.27lawlU STOP
03:34.36abrotmanlawl: are you done trolling ?
03:34.41lawly r u beingay
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03:34.45itchidav_: Next year, like it's just over now ;-) But maybe, download the movies
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03:34.54bzedhaha
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03:35.48dav_i have register a very good domain
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03:36.05dav_i wat to let peopl ecreate email for free on it
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03:36.27dav_i m looking for an interface that just let people crete their virtual user (as if they wre on hotmail)
03:36.28itchidav_: You know, people google it for that :-p
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03:36.34pythonicwtf?!? virtual terminal in debian installer on amd64 freezes computer
03:36.39itchiah
03:36.43dav_itchi, linux-elite.org ph34r
03:36.48dav_itchi, ;)
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03:37.32dav_itchi, this is a project
03:37.34itchidav_: btw, gmail is for 'everyone' now
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03:37.38dondelelcaropythonic: it not in the times that I've tried.
03:38.03dondelelcaropythonic: it'd help if you gave more information about how it has frozen, what hardware, which installer, etc.
03:38.10bzed!nickometer dav_
03:38.12dpkg'dav_' is 0.000% lame, bzed
03:38.14sussudioabrotman: slacker
03:38.15resistancehi, i install ubixODBC with a binary and later realized that I can do it with apt-get now i think i installed two instance, how can i fix this?
03:38.15pythonicdondelelcaro: i was doing dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3 bs=something_big in one terminal, and then did ps in another.
03:38.23dav_itchi, yes but when you ask for a job the person who will choose between too people one with gerard.dupont@gmail.com and the other wih elite@linux-elite.org will make the right choice
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03:38.29pythonicthis is etch installer from november
03:38.34dondelelcaropythonic: are you sure it has hung?
03:38.39dondelelcaropythonic: does numlock work?
03:38.39abrotmansussudio: it's hard when you don't flood the channel with useless crap all the time :)
03:38.46sussudiohttp://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/deb0702.html :-|
03:38.48itchidav_: Yup, take gmail, because it's much more know
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03:39.03dav_bzed, what is nickometer
03:39.16dav_itchi, no no no no
03:39.17pythonicyeah, i couldn't switch back to the other vt, ctrl-alt-delete didn't work. the ps output didn't fit on the screen, but the screen didn't scroll.
03:39.18abrotmansussudio: so let's engage in a three hour OT discussion about my music and my website ...
03:39.27sussudio:-\
03:39.28bzeddav_: it tells you how l33t your nick is ;)
03:39.29abrotmanhehe
03:39.34bzeddav_: like...
03:39.42bzed!nickometer [JAPS]ph1L
03:39.44dpkg'[JAPS]ph1L' is 83.000% lame, bzed
03:39.49dav_bzed, hahaha
03:40.02abrotmansussudio: i can't compete with that .. and noone stops it
03:40.13pythonici've just rebooted. vts work now. i can ps in both. hmm...
03:40.16resistancehi, i install ubixODBC with a binary and later realized that I can do it with apt-get now i think i installed two instance, how can i fix this?
03:40.29abrotman!beer Piggy
03:40.34sussudio%bear stoned
03:40.40pythonici'll try dd again and then ps in another terminal...
03:40.40sussudiohm.
03:40.49abrotmanbadgers: wake up
03:40.49badgersabrotman: i don't know
03:40.55sussudiocrashy mysqly.
03:40.59bzedbadgers: uh?
03:40.59badgersbzed: I wish you would RTFM.
03:41.25sussudio%bear stoned
03:41.41dav_bzed, and itchi sure i will make you a free forward when everything will be all right
03:42.25abrotmansussudio: also been super busy at work ...
03:42.31bzedn8n8 time for bed, almost 5am :)
03:42.34abrotmansuch is life ...
03:43.03itchibzed: Bah, amateur :-p
03:43.08itchihehe
03:43.19itchibzed: Sleep wel ;-)
03:43.31dav_itchi, speak french or belgium language (dont know how to say it in english for flamand)
03:43.49abrotmandav_: babelfish.altavista.com
03:43.51bzeditchi: bah :P stupid exams are the reason, I have to study :| but thanks, you sleep well, too.. whenever tha'll be ;)
03:43.52dondelelcaroflemmish
03:44.07dav_bzed, good night and thks
03:44.08itchidav_: .be have 3 official language, French, dutch (more presisly Flemish) and German
03:44.20bzeddav_: you're welcome :) good night
03:44.24dav_itchi, HA OK :)
03:45.09pythonichmmm.. i can't get it to freeze again :-/
03:45.21abrotmanmaybe it wasn't really frozen ?
03:45.30pythonicyeah, it was. i'm not stupid :-)
03:47.37pythonici had been running dd for about an hour, then switched to another terminal, pressed enter to activate it, ran ps to find the process id so i could send a signal to dd but the ps output didn't fit on the screen, the screen didn't scroll, i didn't get another prompt. i pressed enter several times, then held enter down, but nothing moved. i tried switching back to the first terminal, but no dice. ctrl-alt-delete didn't work.
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03:48.34abrotmanpythonic: is it working okay now ?
03:48.51pythonicyeah, i can't reproduce the freeze. perhaps the dd was at the end of the device?
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03:49.56pythonicwhere "device" is partition.
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03:50.07eldowanI think dd would have thrown an error, or returned you to a prompt...
03:50.12eldowanwas the HDD light still blinking?
03:50.24pythonicyeah, it was still blinking.
03:50.32dondelelcarothen it hadn't froze
03:50.39eldowanpythonic: blinking = off and on. == not froze
03:50.45pythonicah, before the freeze it was still blinking.
03:50.49pythonicthen it stopped.
03:50.56dondelelcarothen the kernel died for some reason
03:51.09dondelelcarodoesn't really have anything to do with the consoles or the installer
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03:52.16pythonici could try running the dd for another hour, and switching consoles, etc. but i don't know that'd help any, except to prove i'm not insane... or perhaps that would prove that i'm insane :-)
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03:52.32abrotmanoh .. better leave the question unanswered :)
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03:53.03waspius2!pastebin
03:53.03dpkgrumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc'
03:53.07jeffwheelerHey, I'm having a lot of trouble installing kernel modules for a TI calculator. Any direction I should look?
03:53.34itchijeffwheeler: What error get you?
03:54.30waspius2can someone tell me why this happens? http://pastebin.ca/379316
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03:54.56jeffwheelerWell, after I use the module-assistant to install the tidev-modules-source, and then try modprobe tiser, it cannot find it. tiusb and tipar work fine, although docs say that those are arleady included. I can't get TILP to recognize the calculator. It's a TI-84+ using a USB port.
03:54.58empath:o
03:55.00empatheldowan:
03:55.01empath:p
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03:55.17eldowanempath: here too?
03:55.20empathyep
03:55.23abrotmanthememoodin.h:20:25: themeengine.h: No such file or directory
03:55.23abrotmanthememoodin.h:21:24: objkstheme.h: No such file or directory
03:55.28empathb oth on oftc and freenode
03:55.28abrotmanwaspius2: ^^
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03:56.36waspius2abrotman: which means what?i downloaded the source but i get that..i downloaded the debian package and i get another error..what should i do?
03:56.50abrotmanwhat is "it" ?
03:57.08waspius2abrotman: it is a splash screen manager or something
03:57.12abrotmanor something ?
03:57.20abrotmanwhat's wrong with the debian package
03:57.48itchijeffwheeler: Maybe try to look wich module there is for that thing??  modprobe -l *tiser*    or *ti*
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03:58.34jeffwheeleritchi: sorry, ctrl+alt+bckspace is the worst keyboard shortcut ever ;)
03:58.37pythonicfor debian + vista should i have the clock set to gmt?
03:58.46itchijeffwheeler: Maybe try to look wich module there is for that thing??  modprobe -l *tiser*    or *ti*
03:59.02itchijeffwheeler: Not use these keys :-p
03:59.10abrotmanpythonic: that's very much up to you
03:59.20jeffwheeleritchi: what?
03:59.31itchijeffwheeler: These key buttons
03:59.38pythonicabrotman: i have to think for myself?!? :-)
03:59.42waspius2abrotman: well when i try to install tha package through kpackage i get this:http://pastebin.ca/379325
03:59.45jeffwheeleritchi: yeah, I try not to... hit them too often, though ;)
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03:59.51jeffwheelerUlysses:/home/jeff# modprobe -l tiser
03:59.51jeffwheelerUlysses:/home/jeff# modprobe -l ti
03:59.58jeffwheelerneither returns anything
04:00.03itchijeffwheeler: no, with *bla*
04:00.11jeffwheeleritchi: ah, okay
04:00.12itchijeffwheeler: These both *
04:00.28abrotmanwaspius2: stop mixing versions of debian
04:00.38itchijeffwheeler: Or maybe, install  modconf  It's a litthe TUI
04:00.53waspius2abrotman: i did not know i was doing that
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04:01.15abrotmanwaspius2: it appears you're trying to install a package intended for etch/sid on sarge
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04:01.31jeffwheeleritchi: http://pastebin.ca/379327
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04:02.07waspiusabrotman: ok do u know how i can upgrade to etch?
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04:02.22dondelelcaro!sarge->etch
04:02.22dpkgEdit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.
04:02.27abrotman!tell waspius about sarge->etch
04:02.35itchijeffwheeler: I think  lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/ti_usb_3410_5052.ko  but im not sure
04:02.51jeffwheeleritchi: okay, so what's the significance of that?
04:03.17z28hi
04:03.20waspiusabrotman: thanx..another thing is that my touchpad does not work well...it does not scroll and padding does not work..i installed the synaptics package but still nothing..any ideas?
04:03.21itchijeffwheeler: I dunno, it's your stuff :-) I dunno about it also :-)
04:03.26abrotmani guess that'll soon have to go into the topic
04:03.29jeffwheeleritchi: haha, okay
04:03.35abrotmanwaspius: i have a trackpoint
04:03.36jeffwheeleranybody else get TI to work?
04:04.05waspiusabrotman: what is a trach point?
04:04.16abrotmanthe nipple/nubbie
04:04.17itchijeffwheeler: That line 27 looks the most probable for my, maybe look if that module is already loaded??
04:04.20abrotmanIBM trackpoint
04:04.37waspiusoh ok
04:04.50abrotmanthe red dot in the middle of my keyboard :)
04:05.10itchijeffwheeler: Is it a usb stuff?
04:05.22jeffwheeleritchi: yeah, the calculator is connected via USB
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04:05.37jeffwheeleritchi: http://pastebin.ca/379331
04:05.41pip69how can i upgrade my kernel to 2.6.18-4-686
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04:06.19abrotmanpip69: are you running etch ?
04:06.30jeffwheeleritchi: what does each part of each line mean?
04:06.35pip69abrotman: no sarge
04:06.38SunDragoncan someone recommend a chat channel that is less debian-specific?
04:06.42abrotmanpip69: that's an etch kernel
04:06.51abrotmanSunDragon: chat channel for what ?
04:07.00SunDragonshooting the breeze about computers
04:07.01pip69abrotman: how can i upgrade to etch
04:07.09abrotmanSunDragon: #hardware ... ##linux .. #freenode
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04:07.15abrotman!tell pip69 about sarge->etch
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04:07.27itchijeffwheeler: The name, how much memory it take (i think), how many time it's used, and who used it
04:07.29SunDragonabrotman, thank you for the recommendation
04:07.30abrotmanSunDragon: check /list
04:08.02itchijeffwheeler: See  man lsmod
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04:08.47itchijeffwheeler: See the 'See Also' section ^
04:09.32jeffwheeleritchi: btw, what's the significance of the numbers in man pages? I've never known that...
04:09.48itchijeffwheeler: man man   :-)
04:09.53jeffwheeleritchi: haha, k
04:10.05itchijeffwheeler: It's a command,  read the man about the man
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04:10.19itchijeffwheeler: Try  'man man' in a cli
04:10.41Ltari'm having some.. trouble. with my hard drives. The drive that i WAS running debian from failed, leaving me in windows. the surviving drive, which was dependant on the failed one -- before i installed debian on it-- to boot seems unbootable
04:10.41waspiusabrotman: i get this error:
04:10.41waspiusThe following packages have unmet dependencies:
04:10.41waspius<PROTECTED>
04:10.51itchijeffwheeler: You get the table there in the description
04:11.03LtarIm trying to boot the copy of WinXP on that drive, so that i can install linux exclusively on the new drive
04:11.49Ltarperhaps this is not the correct room. can anyone refer me to a room where i can get help fixing the MBR... or whatever the probelm might be... using the XP system restore?
04:12.16itchiLtar: Take that sad XP cd, play with the R recover funtion to get your XP again working and then reinstall grub
04:12.37itchi... if the hardware is not damaged
04:12.51Ltarthe files on the working drive were intact and accessable from debian
04:13.01Ltarbut the debian drive failed a short whileago
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04:13.27Ltarbootcfg /rebuild doesn't fx it.... still get error loading OS
04:13.31pip69after update && aptitude dist-upgrade how can i check if i completly installed etch
04:13.47Ltarfixboot returns the error "fixboot cannot find the system drive, or the drive specified is not valid"
04:13.53harkitchi: did you get that console messages from syslogd thing sorted out?
04:14.06itchiLtar: You need to run that crazy R recovery thing twice, it's so good stuff that you need to run it twice :-)
04:14.22harkLtar: check libc6 version.. cat /etc/debian_version etc
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04:14.30itchihark: For my UPS, no :-(
04:14.30LtarI think the MBR on the surviving drive is corrupt, i can boot windows on the surviving drive--- but only from the new hard drive i bought that has a fresh install of windows. much like how the system worked before debian
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04:14.54Ltari am not running any distribution of linux right now
04:15.06eshaasehow closely does ubuntu follow debian's policies for file management (/etc, etc.)?
04:15.20itchihark: It's still get some message some time to all my consoles. Some time ...
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04:15.22harkeshaase: #ubuntu should know
04:15.43eshaasewell i figured i'd get a biased answer there =)
04:16.01harkitchi: yes, i started getting them a few days back.. the kernel.printk keeps reverting back to 15 as it was for you iirc
04:16.21itchihark: eeuuhhm, what's that kernel.printk ?
04:16.25harkeshaase: check their policy document or something..
04:16.42harkitchi: the one in /etc/sysctl.conf .. and with sysctl -p
04:16.55harkklogd stuff
04:17.16itchihark: Ohyea, it's  kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7
04:17.30eshaasehark: um ok
04:17.35pip69can someone please check #flood to see the error i get after i tried to upgrade to etch
04:17.59Ltarcan someone refer me to a windows restore or a hardware recovery-qualified room?
04:18.20itchihark: I think these values changes, by time? I dunno to be honnest. I just want to avoid to get these messages :-s
04:18.21harkitchi: heh, yes.. it changes to 15 4 1 7 after some time.. and i remembered the same had happened with you too :)
04:18.47itchihark: Yup, but i dunno how it come :-s
04:19.11harkLtar: ##windows or #hardware maybe?
04:19.20hark!klogd
04:19.20dpkgrumour has it, klogd is the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload. people still use klogd? in sarge, dpkg --purge klogd sysklogd; apt-get install syslog-ng
04:19.26Ltarhark ahah. thanks. i should have figured
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04:20.09itchihark: Thanks, gona try
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04:20.31Ltarthanks anyways, guys. peace
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04:22.03pip69bash: /etc/debian_version: Permission denied
04:22.04harkitchi: actually, the /etc/sysctl.conf way is recommended now; but the variable, iirc, is defined in /etc/default/klogd
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04:22.15pip69i am as root and i am trying to run /etc/debian_version and i get bash: /etc/debian_version: Permission denied
04:22.26harkpip69: cat /etc/debian_version
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04:22.35harkpip69: file /etc/debian_version
04:22.44Vasisthaso, what's that factoid for the etch package key server / authenticating apt?
04:22.55hark!etch key
04:22.55dpkg# apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update
04:23.01pip69hark: why i can't get etch
04:23.15empathummi
04:23.18harkpip69: you're upgrading. ?
04:23.20empathyummi*
04:23.35pip69hark: yes from sarge
04:23.45itchihark: Yeah, it's fixed(tm)  it's looks, i just unplugged the usb cable of the UPS and not got a message, great, thanks mate to have think to me :-)
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04:24.29Vasisthapip69: what someone likely wanted you to do is cat /etc/debian_version
04:24.43harkpip69: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
04:25.09harkitchi: using sysctl.conf or klogd?
04:25.11pip69Vasistha: 3.1
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04:25.16itchihark: The klogd
04:25.41harkah, will try the same here :)
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04:26.27Vasisthapip69: yeah, that tells you you're running sarge .. which you may have already known!  Anyway, have you gotten the help you needed?
04:26.48hark!tell pip69 -about sarge->etch
04:26.59itchihark: I added on the bottom  on the end of start-stop-deamon line  start)  and on the restar|force.
04:27.03pip69Vasistha: i did that
04:27.18itchihark:  start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec $binpath -- $KLOGD -c 2
04:27.33itchihark: ... and below there is another one that need it
04:27.46pip69Vasistha: will you please check #flood i will post what i get after that
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04:28.17harkitchi: yes, cool thanks :)
04:28.36itchihark: Great, thanks he mate ;-)
04:28.47Vasisthapip69: nope, I'm not really available to give much help beyond what I've given.  I'm about to go eat dinner.  You should post to a pastebin rather than #flood and keep asking questions of the channel ... or else hark, who seems to be helping you more than I.
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04:29.03empaththat was great
04:29.08empathgreat tuna sandwich :
04:29.09empath:D
04:29.28hark!fishsmite empath
04:29.40empathhey!
04:29.47harkpip69: what errors are you getting?
04:30.00empath!fishsmite hark
04:30.00pip69hark: can i post in flood
04:30.06harkok
04:30.50pip69hark: it's there
04:31.18pip69hark: did you get it
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04:32.09harkyes.. that's all? and this with a dist-upgrade?
04:32.18pip69yes
04:32.57harkdo an apt-get install aptitude first
04:33.15harkthen run aptitude -f dist-upgrade
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04:33.32pythonici have another freeze :-(
04:33.42harkor rather aptitude install aptitude :)
04:34.30ciopanyone using dazuko?
04:34.52itchi!anyone
04:34.52dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
04:35.03ciopsorry
04:35.24itchiJust ask
04:35.57ciopdo i have to insmod capability after i load the dazuko module?
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04:36.48harkciop: read /usr/share/doc/dazuko-source
04:37.04ciophark: thx
04:37.07harkthe README.Debian there
04:37.13itchiciop: Have you tried  apt-cache show dazuko
04:37.29hark!insmod
04:37.29dpkgSorry, that command doesn't exist.  Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load.  NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6.  Use modprobe.  Did we mention "modprobe" yet?.  Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer
04:37.46itchiciop: You get there interesting info, then  dpkg -L dazuko-source  and read the stuff
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04:40.30itchiWeird, that file  /usr/share/doc/dazuko-source/README.Debian  does not exist, what  apt-cache show dazuko-source  tell It's the README
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04:40.59ciopyes :)
04:41.22itchiciop: Bugreport it please
04:41.27harkwell, then m-a should be enough. if not, modprobe it ;)
04:42.17pythonic&^$%! another $&^!#$@ freeze. excuse my perl.
04:42.32harkheh
04:42.38itchiciop: You gona do it? Or set i it down on my long TODO and do i it tomorrow?
04:42.44ciophmm, ive sucseed insert dazuko into module, but do i have to modprobe capability? since i reconfigure the kernel *sorry for my english
04:43.00ciopitchi : i dont know how to report it
04:43.01pythonicvirtual terminals in i386 etch debian installer on amd64 are flakey flakey flakey...
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04:43.17itchiciop: Okay, i report it tomorrow then
04:43.30ciopsorry and thanks
04:43.37itchiI'm not fresh now :-)
04:43.51empath:)
04:43.53spyro_boyHello
04:44.01spyro_boyI was told that Debian comes with a GUI networking tool
04:44.08spyro_boybut I don't know what the command is
04:44.15empathspyro_boy: :P
04:44.22spyro_boyany idea what that command may be?
04:44.29empathnot sure actually
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04:45.12empathwhat is the networking tool doing?
04:45.16empathwhat does it do?
04:45.18ciopnetwork-admin ?
04:45.23spyro_boyconfigure networks
04:45.32spyro_boyciop, oh
04:45.35spyro_boythat did something
04:45.38spyro_boyI think that's it
04:45.39spyro_boythanks
04:45.47ciopyw
04:45.50itchispyro_boy: That's DE Desktop Environment depended. Wich one use you?
04:45.54spyro_boywhao
04:45.55spyro_boywtf?
04:45.57empathi dont have that command
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04:46.02spyro_boyI haven't used my root password in so long
04:46.05spyro_boythat I forgot it
04:46.07spyro_boyshit
04:46.12empathlol
04:46.15empathhaha
04:46.16empath:D
04:46.21empathwonderufl isnt it ;)
04:46.28spyro_boysudo works
04:46.28empathwonderful... *
04:46.40spyro_boyI'll end up just going in and changing it
04:46.53empaththen do it :P
04:47.07empathX fails still :D
04:47.11hark!enter
04:47.11dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying.  Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line.  (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.)
04:47.32itchispyro_boy: See  /msg dpkg ifrp
04:47.32empathi have no enter key
04:47.34spyro_boyWas that to me?
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04:48.04itchiI'm not sure if he got it
04:48.08itchi!ifrp
04:48.09dpkg1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.
04:49.06harkhe forgot the sudo one, i think
04:49.19itchiWho use that?? :-)
04:49.36itchiThe sudo pass is the same as the user, i think
04:50.32harkah, my bad.. it's the root password
04:50.42harkdamn enter keys.. ;)
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04:50.57pythonicusing partman if i do not change the partition table does partman write it back to disk anyway?
04:52.24GoAuLdi have a dude, do i need a initrd enabled kernel to auto fsck an fix errors if found on boot?
04:53.11GoAuLdi remember time ago when booting to see "Filesystem is NOT clean", "Checking reiserfs filesystem...." etc.
04:53.51GoAuLdnow , it says sometimes "filesystem is NOT clean" (on system boot) but it no longer checks anything
04:53.59itchiGoAuLd: Hold on
04:54.57pythonic:-/ this install has taken four hours already
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04:55.56pythoniccan i use -686 kernel on amd64?
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04:56.16GoAuLdbetter no
04:56.50GoAuLdkernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 or kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-SMP
04:57.14pythonici have i386 install cd :-}
04:57.15GoAuLda 686 possible will work, but not as good as the other one
04:57.37itchiGoAuLd: Depend if you have a duo core or not. To force to check your fs do   shutdown -F now
04:57.41pythonici'll download amd64 install cd on monday.
04:58.19itchiGoAuLd: SMP is for multi core's (not only duo) and also for that hypertreading thing (that last, think)
04:59.02harkGoAuLd: shutdown -F -r now or touch /forcefsck
04:59.04itchiGoAuLd: You can also do  touch /forcefsck ; reboot   it does the same as  shutdown -F now
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05:00.24GoAuLdi dont thing a reboot would check the filesystem since it always says "cant check filesystem its read-only" on boot message
05:00.30Vasisthaso, what's the most recent use advice for etch re: apt vs. aptitude vs. ??? ... is there a way we are "supposed" to be managing our packages?
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05:00.48itchiGoAuLd: That command is made for somethings ;-)
05:01.29GoAuLdok
05:01.29itchiVasistha: aptitude is _the_ recommended way, that's what the Debian devs say
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05:02.01pythonicapt-get vs. aptitude?!? what's the difference?
05:02.06harkyou can use either.. aptitude is recommended
05:02.20itchipythonic: aptitude have also a TUI
05:02.30Vasisthaitchi: ahha.  Now, if I remember correctly, there's some kind of snafu when one starts to use aptitude ... like, we have to go through and select that all of the packages that are installed, should be installed ... is what I'm saying making sense?
05:02.38GoAuLdso i dont need initrd for the system to be checked automatically on boots? because sometimes there is a hard  power down, and i think yeas ago when i had initrd it was checked automatically on boot
05:02.56GoAuLdnow im not sure
05:03.19harkVasistha: no, it can be used without that gui.. just like apt-get
05:03.19itchiIt manage many more better depencies, and remove unused libs/apps and such. Where you need to use deborphan if you use apt-get to clean un used libs/apps
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05:04.04Vasisthaso, aptitude does a better job of automatically deleting orphaned libraries that were not installed explicitly, thus obsoleting deborphan?
05:04.31itchiVasistha: The first time you use aptitude, after having used long time apt-get, aptitude want to remove every application that you not have installed with aptitude. So to keep it easy, the first time with aptitude you need to select (with +) all the stuff you want to keep
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05:04.43itchiVasistha: yup
05:05.23nn-laptopits past midnight***
05:05.29itchiVasistha: There's a factoid in dpkg about it to, i no more remember wich one exactly
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05:07.41itchibah, i not find it gggrrr
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05:08.29itchiOr 'next 15 items' alike thing
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05:10.49itchiVasistha: Anyway, select each one with the +, so at the same time, you do a big clean
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05:12.13Vasisthaitchi: I'm curious, is there any way to get the "base system" all automatically +'d
05:12.23pythonicyay! the nastiest install ever is complete!
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05:12.53piperhark: sorry but can you send me the stable to etch update dpkg again
05:13.28itchiVasistha: There is a way to migrate from apt-get to aptitude, but i not find back that crazy command nor in the dpkg's factoid :-s
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05:14.35Vasisthaitchi: ahha.  oh well, thanks for lookin'\
05:14.44itchiI need to sleep :-p
05:15.00itchiThanks folk and have beer! ;-)
05:16.07Vasisthanight, and thanks!
05:17.06piperhow to upgrade from sarge to etch
05:19.28Vasistha!tell piper about sarge->etch
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05:20.09dronedoh man
05:20.15dronedI'm shitfaced
05:20.25empathyou so are :D
05:20.41dronedman I bought a pack of cigs after like I dunno, 8 years
05:20.49empathwhat=
05:20.51empath?*
05:20.53dronedI smoked half a cig
05:20.57empathand ?
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05:21.04dronedand then I said oh wow, I still hate smoking
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05:21.08empathgood
05:21.12empathsmoking sucks
05:21.16dronedindeed
05:21.19empathi bought 2 packs :P
05:21.31dronedlife's a bitch
05:21.41empaththought it wouldnt last long when i also bought some vodka...
05:21.50empathbut still got plenty, gotta get rid of them :P
05:23.08empath:)
05:23.10dronedahh boy, refreshing!
05:23.17empathim brewing coffee :P
05:23.27empathneed to wake up :P
05:23.52empathalso writing down my xorg.conf into a document on this machine
05:24.18dronedim doing some css stuff right now
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05:38.33pythonichmm... another freeze 8-(
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05:42.42Vasisthais there a recommended way to permanently set tcp_window_scaling to 0?
05:43.05EvilSporkManhow do i clue gvim into vim-latexsuite? I just installed the package with apt-get, but i'm not seeing nice menus when i do gvim suitetest.tex
05:45.24EvilSporkManhmm, works if it's an actual full file
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05:48.23sotex_uffdahello
05:48.53empath!pastingwithoutx
05:49.02empath!pastewithoutx
05:49.03dpkgi heard pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste
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05:52.55peteweezAnyone willing to give me some help configuring exim4 for smarthosts?  I have a vague idea of how to do it; I just need some help on specifics.
05:53.00empathhow do i bring a job back to front?
05:53.18Vasisthaempath: fg
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05:53.27empaththanks
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05:55.30peteweezBasically, I need to use verizon's smarthost or gmail's smarthost with exim4, based on the sender address.  Gmail's smarthost is a non-standard port (not 25).  Gmail requires TLS.  Both smarthosts require authentication.  I also need to allow exim4 to allow relaying from 127.0.0.1 only (who knows, it may already do that).
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05:57.24empaththis isnt ubuntu
05:57.24empath:P
05:57.24Ltarwhat are the major differences between debian and ubuntu?
05:57.24ciophahaha
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05:57.24empathlol
05:57.24Ltarubuntu was snide when I asked
05:57.25empath:P
05:57.47empathnot really sure what to say, other than ubuntu is sort of a preconfigured debian sort of
05:58.01empathsearch on wiki :P
05:58.01peteweezLtar: ubuntu is easier to use (at least that's what they say), but it gives less configurability to the user.  Also, I've heard in #ubuntu that they think we at #debian are jerks.
05:58.17empathlol
05:58.23peteweezubuntu allows sudo anything
05:58.28peteweezkinda dangerous
05:58.36Ltarpeteweez: coming from debian, id say ubuntu users are jerks
05:58.41empath:)
05:58.42WyzardUbuntu focuses on desktop convenience at the expense of server-class stability
05:58.49peteweezLtar: lol
05:59.13Ltarbut i suppose ubuntu will probably be a less frustrating system for me
05:59.19peteweezdepends
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05:59.37Ltaralthough, its funny
05:59.40peteweezDoes anyone give a dang about my exim4 configuration?
05:59.42Ltarmost of my troubles in debian...
05:59.44empathcan i send a file to w3m?
05:59.47Ltarinvolved windows
05:59.54empathw3m url -file file.conf?
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05:59.56peteweezLtar: lol no s***
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06:00.20empathkids, wakepakey, papa needs your helpey
06:00.28empaththat sucked..
06:00.38Ltarin fact, im currently installing debian in order to access a screwed up XP install so i can back it up before rebuilding the MBR on that drive
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06:00.44pythonicwhat does LOOP_SET_STATUS: invalid argument mean when i losetup -e aes /dev/loop0 /dev/sda3?
06:00.56Ltarinstalling ubuntu*
06:01.11peteweezempath:  Command line usage is      w3m [options] [file|URL]
06:01.18peteweezempath: so w3m file
06:01.25peteweezempath: at least I think
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06:01.50empathhm ok... so theres no way to point it to url as well as to a file, for pasting a file into an url or such?
06:02.09empathor can i make nano read from a file when it has been started with w3m?
06:02.13empathgonna try
06:02.14peteweezempath: I have no idea what the f*** you're talking about :).
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06:02.32Ltarjust what, exactly, makes GNU---- not unix? looks awfully unixy to me.
06:02.44peteweezLtar: not developed by bell labs
06:03.03peteweezLtar: but a knockoff done by some computer geek in college who had nothing better to do
06:03.13empathgot it
06:03.18empathF5 did the trick .D
06:03.29peteweezLtar: Then the FOSS community, in their infinite wisdom, decided to work on it and improve it
06:03.42peteweezLtar: Oh wait but that's Linux, not GNU
06:03.46empathpeteweez: I did w3m url and needed to paste something
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06:03.53LtarGNU/linux?
06:03.54peteweezempath: OK
06:04.06peteweezLtar: yeah...Gnu operating system with linux kernel
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06:04.22peteweezLtar: but still, Gnu is a knockoff, not developed by bell labs
06:04.41peteweezcorrect me if I'm wrong, but System V Unix was made by Bell Labs
06:04.49LtarGnu != linuxx.. .waht about Debian Gnu/linux?
06:06.09peteweezLtar: Debian is a distribution of GNU/Linux
06:06.21peteweezLtar: they put it together and made a packaging system
06:06.27Ltaryeah
06:06.35Ltari understanddistributions
06:06.56peteweezMan I gotta go to sleep now...guess I couldn't get help with exim4 tonight...maybe someone'll be sympathetic next time
06:07.03Ltarpeace
06:07.08peteweezpeace
06:07.09empathpeteweez:
06:07.14peteweezhuh?
06:07.31empathim interested in setting up exim4 aswell but not tonight, come back later and you will get help
06:07.32empath:)
06:07.52peteweezempath: OK sounds like a plan
06:08.09peteweezI'll probly be on tomorrow or sometime
06:08.38empathok :)
06:08.51empathso, who wanna help me fix X? I have the conf and log available
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06:09.05Bsew64Hie Porople, where woud one likely find a person who could setup on our soon to be T1 linue with Debian or possible the unbunto    with cpanel.net software  is south florida area?
06:09.36empathum
06:10.07empathwhy not do it yourself?
06:10.21empathgives you  a little bit of experience and alot of confidence :)
06:10.26empathbut can be timeconsuming
06:10.52Bsew64empath: heh i am to old and slow  (old geizzer)
06:11.02empathhaha :)
06:11.21empathwell, i think you can find someone in this channel, but try on some debian forums too :)
06:11.32empathlots of good people out there to help :)
06:12.14Bsew64we have some howting for us but bellsouth threw in a deal that we couldnt  say no to
06:12.22Ltarwhy does debian use iceweasel, but ubuntu uses normal firefox?
06:12.52empathLtar:  im not sure, i dont use ubuntu :P i dont even recommend it for desktops
06:12.57Bsew64well  have some how  for us bellsouth threw in a deal that we couldnt  say no to
06:13.30Ltarempath:why not?
06:13.30empathBs
06:13.34empathops
06:13.36Bsew64i heard its a debiun based
06:13.36empathLtar: ?
06:13.49empathubuntu is debian based yes
06:13.49Ltarempath: what makes you not reccomend ubuntu?
06:14.08empathLtar:  well, i dont use it, so i cant help people with it :)
06:14.32Ltarempath: reasonable
06:14.50Bsew64I figure a few hubdered buch should get some one interested in doing the job'
06:15.02empathBsew64:  probably :)
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06:15.28Bsew64Now to find that person :)
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06:16.07empathI would do it for free if i lived in that location :)
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06:16.46Bsew64it would require them to keep them running and any issues able fixing the box
06:17.00DebianBoxhey, i just installed debian, how do i gain higher resolution then what i have found in applications > Desktop Preferences > Desktop resolution.
06:17.26empathDebianBox:  i think you can find it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
06:17.31empathor reconfigure it
06:17.35Bsew64wow I wished you did live  here too ?
06:17.51empathdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 or something
06:18.19empathBsew64: Hehe, i live in sweden
06:18.37Bsew64should i tryin asking in other channels for some one to help?
06:18.58empathsure you can :)
06:19.14Bsew64Well i can get it up and running and it all could be fixed online no?
06:19.19empathtry some mailinglists too or something, im pretty sure the debian community has some kind of list for people seeking expertise
06:19.44empathhmm you could do it online of course
06:19.58empathby being connected here someone could point you in right direction
06:20.01Bsew64ah ill look into that too
06:21.17DebianBoxxorg.conf does not exist in /etc/X11
06:21.29Bsew64whats are the good confuseers these days intel doul or amd duls to get
06:21.35GuerinDebianBox: /msg dpkg drxx
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06:21.46fedxis there a front-end for apt like synaptics in cups?
06:21.49GuerinBsew64: please attempt to speak english
06:21.58Guerinfedx: localhost:631
06:22.03fedxhrm
06:22.32Bsew64Guerin:  I am trying for the past 56 years :)
06:22.36Ltarhehe. my brother-inlaw is fluent in swedish
06:22.38empathBsew64: I recommend intel
06:22.39fedxi mean i'm on a command-line
06:22.49empathLtar:  cool
06:22.59empathLtar:  are you from sweden?
06:23.20Ltarno, his family is
06:23.23empathcool
06:23.24empath:)
06:23.28LtarI'm west coast, US
06:23.30empathwhat city?
06:23.34empathin sweden
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06:23.53Bsew64ill try in the ubunto channel and pary for luck :)
06:24.03empathBsew64:  ok :)
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06:24.23Ltarempath: near uppsala, i think
06:24.31empathnice :)
06:24.35empathim in Jönköping
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06:25.21Ltarempath: his parents came from sweden, he was born in the states and raised billingual
06:25.27empathcool :)
06:25.51empathI was also raised billingual :p
06:26.02empathswedish with people and english with puters :)
06:26.24Ltarlol
06:26.45empath:)
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06:27.19LtarI know... only a few random words-- mostly cookies. the sort of mastery of a language you would get in the first 20 minutes after discovering someone is billingual
06:27.43empath:P
06:28.32LtarI can never pronounce pepparnotter correctly
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06:28.58empathpepparnötter ?
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06:29.06Ltaryeah
06:29.25empathmost americans have hard time pronouncing some swedish words
06:29.36empathmostly words including åäö
06:29.38DebianBoxthis thing is asking me alot of weird questions. what kind mouse do i have? its just a ps/2 mouse...
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06:29.43Ltarit bugs me, though. i'll hear him say it....
06:29.48Ltarand i'll have it
06:29.53Ltarand its gone in 10 minutes
06:29.57empathDebianBox:  select ps/2 mouse then
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06:30.07LtarI can never get the emphasis in the right place
06:30.08empathLtar:  thats life :)
06:30.09Ltar:S
06:30.31LtarI guess i should stay clear of that career as a translator for the UN
06:30.44DebianBoxi dont have that option
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06:31.03pythonicLtar: yeah, you might mispronounce "nucular"
06:31.07grendal_primegod this pisses me off..
06:31.15empathDebianBox:  You can try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
06:31.16grendal_primeanyone any good with the paypal ipn process?
06:31.20empathor xserver-xfree86
06:31.24DebianBoxi have psaux, ttys3 ttys0 ttys1 input/mice adbmouse atari mounse atibm sunmouse ttys2 amigamouse gpmdata
06:31.39empathintput/mice then
06:31.50empathisnt there a default option?
06:32.01DebianBoxnope
06:32.07empathweird..
06:32.37empathleave it empty if it says to leave it empty if your not sure
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06:33.23DebianBoxempath: it hasnt let me on quite a few options
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06:34.32Ltarwhat is unix time?
06:34.38pythonicwhere can i get the new debian archive public key?
06:34.51Ltar1172874889
06:34.59Ltarwhoah numbers
06:35.13empathDebianBox: ?
06:35.15empathbrb
06:35.25esahpwhere do i go to edit the eth0 line so i can make the computer request a specific ip?
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06:38.30DebianBoxok i just went through that reconfigure crap with no idea what the hell i just did, how do i get it now to go to a higher resolution?
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06:47.42esahpis there a website/wiki-entry/whatever that will show me how to format it correctly?
06:47.43CppIsWeirdwhats the command to reconfigure X?
06:48.32ciopesahp : man interfaces
06:50.39esahpugh debian is so not worth my time
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07:03.24sugoruyohi all, i've just tried to boot my debian box and after a few seconds of booting everything slows to a crawl giving a huge list of hda:lost interrupt messages
07:04.23sugoruyoi have no clue how this happened (seeing as i have done absolutely no changes to the machine) and the funny thing is i don't even have an hda device
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07:08.42tralalasugoruyo, your kernel obviously disagrees with you
07:09.06sugoruyoyeah, how can i beat it with a stick to make sure it doesn't?
07:09.30sugoruyoi have 2 SATA drives seen as sda,sdb and an IDE DVD/RW drive seen as hdf
07:09.48sugoruyoand then i start getting hda: lost interrupt all over the place
07:09.55sugoruyoi'm at a loss
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07:10.47tralalasugoruyo, look at dmesg and see what the kernel thinks hda is
07:11.11sugoruyohow can i look at dmesg
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07:11.27sugoruyoit's been spewing out that message for 45 minutes now
07:11.34freespacetype dmesg
07:11.45sugoruyoit hasn't finished booting
07:11.51sugoruyoi haven't logged in ter
07:11.55sugoruyoyet*
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07:12.19freespaceoh
07:13.02pythonicshit! another freeze. debian amd64 sucks balls.
07:13.16CppIsWeirdhow do i figure out which device my mouse is on?
07:15.00sugoruyoso anyone have a clue?
07:15.09tralalasugoruyo, reboot it then and use scroll lock  to stop the boot messages
07:15.30sugoruyoi'm on a P965/ICH8R+JMicron mainboard if that helps any
07:15.31tralalayou can then use shift+pgup to go up
07:16.41sugoruyothanks, i think i discovered something
07:16.55sugoruyoit also started telling me the same thing for hdc
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07:17.36sugoruyoi shift+pgup and i realise among those messages it also says that hda and hdc are 120GB which is what my two SATA drives are
07:17.54sugoruyoso i guess it's got to do with how the BIOS/kernel sees the drives
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07:20.32streunersugoruyo: How long do you use Linux?
07:20.45sugoruyoas desktop a few months now
07:21.02sugoruyobut i've never had the time to teach myself about it beyond that
07:21.06sugoruyo:(
07:21.23streunerWhy do you have no time at all?
07:21.43sugoruyolong story... i've finally got the time
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07:28.41CppIsWeirdhow do i figure out what devices are actually there? I'm trying to see if a hard drive is connected.
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07:30.26tralalaCppIsWeird, examine dmesg | less
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07:33.57CppIsWeirdim configuring a software raid, i got the question of weither or not md driver is compiled as a module or into my kernel. any idea?
07:34.19piper69hi i just update from sarge to etch and now my kde is not working can someone help me pleaase
07:34.55Donhow do you change the screen resolution in xfce4?  from what I can gleen on the web there should be a little program in the settings thing, but I can't find it, is there a file you can manually edit?
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07:36.13Donhttp://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce-mcs-plugins#id2533703 <-- that should be the anser, but it's just not there, I can set everyting else
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07:36.45pstickneDon, I usually just set the X server config to a fixed resolution
07:37.20Donpstickne: ok, how do I do that?  do I just take out the other options in the XF..conf file?
07:37.22pstickne(/etc/X11/xorg.con for xorg)
07:37.28pstickne*conf
07:37.33pstickneDon, that's what *I* do :p
07:37.58pstickneDon, or adjust the default one or rotate once X is started, dunno, about any specific programs though
07:37.59Donpstickne: if it works, then that will be what *we* do ;p
07:38.16piper69anyone here welling to help me
07:38.21streuner!doesn't work
07:38.21dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
07:39.30Donpstickne do I change the modes section of the Display subsection?
07:39.34Don<PROTECTED>
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07:39.44Donsorry
07:39.55piper69Don: use #flood or pastebin
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07:40.14Donok
07:40.23CppIsWeirdhow do i figure out whats compiled into my kernel and whats a module?
07:40.51streunergrep <foo> your_kernel_config?
07:40.57Donpstickne: do I just removed the extra modes to make X default?
07:42.08piper69i updated from sarge to etch and now when i start my machine it will boot to the tty
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07:42.44streunerDid you read Release Notes before you did that?
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07:43.15piper69streuner: nope
07:43.22ssstormyhello, I'm using the netboot installer, and everything works fine until I get to base install
07:43.29ssstormyin the syslog there are two errors
07:43.30pstickneDon, that's what I do ;) maybe just comment them
07:43.39ssstormygpgv: can't check signature: public key not found
07:44.03ssstormyerror: Bad signature on /tmp/net-retriever-19875-Release
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07:44.08ssstormycan anyone give me any ideas?
07:45.23streunerpiper69: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/
07:45.45streunerpiper69: that's for i386 machines
07:46.11piper69streuner: how can i read it and i only have tty i don't have GUI
07:46.31pythonicanyone else getting system freezes on amd64?
07:46.35CppIsWeirdwhere is the default location for the debian kernel config file?
07:47.07streunerpiper69: lynx or links
07:47.39streunerpiper69: How about to use something different, like a WM?
07:47.42streuner!wm
07:47.42dpkgwindow manager is probably a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager".
07:48.32streunerCppl: /boot
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07:48.42ssstormyI've tried asking about the key missing thing from the dpkg bot, but the advice there doesn't help
07:48.48ssstormybecause I"m in the installer enviroment
07:48.52streunerCppIsWeird: /boot
07:49.42stray_ssstormy, dunno. maybe this: http://tinyurl.com/tqrbr
07:50.38ssstormystray_, k thanks, I'm restarting the install, I'll try that
07:51.18ssstormythe irritating part is that before I set up my LVM partitions, loading additional components works fine
07:51.22ssstormybut after it errors out
07:51.29ssstormyloading components failes the same way
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07:53.02erpoHi. I need to alter the hue/saturation of an entire svg image in inkscape. How can I do this? I've already asked in #inkscape....everyone is asleep in there.
07:54.51ssstormydangit
07:54.55ssstormythere's no apt-key command
07:55.05piper69stew: are you avalable please
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07:55.39heviartianyone here used a spaceball?
07:56.05streunerssstormy: which factoid did you use?
07:56.21ssstormyfactoid?
07:56.30streuner!factoid
07:56.30dpkgwell, factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something  This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid".
07:56.38ssstormyI tried apt-key update
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07:56.55ssstormythere are no apt-key or gpg or apt-get in the install
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07:58.16streunerssstormy: How old is the iso?
07:58.31ssstormyum
07:58.34ssstormyI don't know
07:58.44streunertry a newer one
07:58.48ssstormyhttp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
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07:59.00piper69anyone please show me how to start KDE or GNOME
07:59.20streunerthere were a bug in d-i lately which is prolly fixed now...
07:59.27streuners/were/was/
07:59.38liablepiper69: i would guess you need to check your x log and see what the error is
07:59.45ssstormyso how can I get a newer netboot package?
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08:00.06streunerhe managed to upgrade from sarge to etch and now his KDE doesn't work anymore...
08:00.24streunerbut he want his lovely KDE still! ;-)
08:00.28piper69liable: can you help me please , how can i do that
08:00.45streunerpiper69: try something differrent
08:00.54liablepiper69: read xorg.log in /var/log
08:01.08piper69liable: i had sarge and i upgraded to etch and now it will only boot to tty
08:01.42liablepiper69: or grep -i ee /var/log/Xorg.log
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08:02.34liablepiper69: or grep -i ee /var/log/Xorg.0.log
08:02.46ssstormywould it be possible to BUILD a netboot install on a working debian system?
08:02.46piper69liable: i have XFree86
08:02.58liablepiper69: not anymore, etch has xorg
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08:03.09liableit should have upgraded to it
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08:03.28piper69liable: i don't know what wrong i did
08:03.28streunerssstormy: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
08:03.43liablepiper69: just read the log and see what the error is
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08:04.00ssstormystreuner, sweet.  thanks!
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08:04.30Jordan_UWill Debian's lilo or GRUB work with intel macs?
08:04.45piper69liable: liable i don't see any (E)
08:05.09streunerpiper69: did you try to reconfigure X?
08:05.39liablepiper69: ok, type from a tty, 'startx startkde'
08:06.19piper69cannot connect to x server
08:06.36streuner!drxx piper69
08:06.37dpkgpiper69: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
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08:09.13CppIsWeirdok, i put in a pci card thats a raid controller and booted my pc back up, and it stops mid way through with a kernel panic, what do i do?
08:09.36CppIsWeirdboots up fine when i remove it
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08:10.10liableCppIsWeird: try booting the installer, chroot in and dpkg-reconfigure your kernel image
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08:10.51corpcompIs there a gnome gui for bind9?
08:10.53CppIsWeirdits already booted back up, what do i change in my kernel config?
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08:11.31piperliable: startx opend the KDE
08:11.50liablepiper: good
08:12.09corpcompmaybe that should be the other way round.  Is there a bind9 gui for gnome
08:12.09liablethen it looks like kdm might be the problem
08:12.59piperhuh, how can i go back to tty so i can logoff irrsi from there
08:14.02Dr_zwaffelenhas anyone ever had their computer just start screeching insanely loud?
08:14.12Dr_zwaffeleni can hear the noise from my living room
08:14.22Dr_zwaffelenit's like a high pitched whine
08:14.41liablepiper: ctrl+alt+F1
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08:15.37ZaoDr_zwaffelen: Check fans and harddrives, and probably cry.
08:16.05cahootnot a sall animal trapped?
08:16.14cahoots/sall/small/
08:16.30piper69nice
08:16.39pythonicis there a livecd not based on debian?
08:16.46Zaopythonic: Lots, probably.
08:16.54ZaoAll of non-debian distros though.
08:17.04liablepythonic: gentoo has a live one iirc
08:17.43pythonicok, thanks. i'm getting system freezes with debian on amd64. i'll try a live cd of another distribution to see if it's just debian.
08:17.59teledyn__pythonic: i think the gparted live cd is
08:18.19teledyn__pythonic: oh sorry i misread.
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08:19.25pythonicafter ten years of this $#!+ i almost feel like going back to windows. almost.
08:19.25teledyn__pythonic: umm each livecd is going to be different, even viersion of the same one will be different
08:19.33CppIsWeirdhow do i figure out which dpkg-reconfigure <kernel image> kernel image im to reconfigure?
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08:20.02ZaoCppIsWeird: uname -r ?
08:20.29ZaoThat'll show whatever kernel version you're running at the moment though.
08:20.44ZaoWhich probably is not what you want, now when I actually read the scrollback :B
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08:22.16piperhow can i switch from tty to kde
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08:22.30ssstormyctl + alt+ F7
08:22.43piperthat didn't work
08:22.54ssstormyit's probably not running then
08:22.55ZaoProvided X is running.
08:23.02ssstormyunless you have an unusual situation
08:23.12enycpiper: have you had kde working already?
08:23.20piperyes
08:23.40piperand i used ctrl+Alt+F1 to goto tty1
08:23.47enycpiper: i see
08:24.00ssstormytry using alt+<right arrow key>
08:24.04ssstormyover and over
08:24.06ssstormyuntil u find it
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08:24.53piperdoesn't work
08:25.05ssstormygo to terminal and say
08:25.10ssstormyps ax | grep X
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08:26.41piperssstormy: it in tty2 but i can't see it
08:26.48CppIsWeirdhow do i reconfigure my kernel?
08:26.59piperwhat will happen if i start it again
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08:29.40ssstormyreconfigure as in build it again, or what?
08:29.53CppIsWeirdi dont know, i just want to reconfigure it.
08:30.10CppIsWeirdthats all i want i have kernel 2.4.27-3-386
08:30.10ciophttp://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/
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08:31.38ssstormyhmm now nfs is giving me issues
08:31.45CppIsWeirdim not reading 600 pages to figure that out
08:31.45ssstormyboth ends have the directory set as rw
08:31.53ssstormybut i get cannot create file, permission denied
08:31.54CppIsWeirdhow do i list all the packages that are installed?
08:32.18ciopdpkg -l
08:32.21cahootCppIsWeird: the question would be possible to answer if you could tell what you want to accomplish
08:32.40cahooti e the kernel question
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08:33.00willywooI can use the gui to start a new session for a different user - but can I do it from the command line?
08:34.20valdynwillywoo: what's the purpose?
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08:34.57CppIsWeirdany way to get it not to cut off the name of the package
08:35.33willywooValdyn - to have two people on at the same time, and switch between them according to who's at the keyboard
08:35.51cahootCppIsWeird: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -
08:35.53cahootl
08:36.15valdynwillywoo: you can switch with ctrl-alt-f7 / ctrl-alt-f8
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08:36.32ciopon inittab, can i set higher b/w for tty* ?
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08:36.41willywoovaldyn: yes I now how to do that - i was asking for a cl to start the second session
08:36.43xinguCppIsWeird: if you're post-processing this output, dpkg --get-selections might be a better fit
08:37.41Harzileinhmm...
08:38.06Harzileinwhich keys should get listed when i run apt-key list?
08:39.24amee2khow can i configure the automounter to run a script when i insert a cdrom?
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08:40.50valdynwillywoo: 'gdmflexiserver --help'
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08:42.29willywoovaldyn: ok -- ta
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08:46.43Dr_zwaffelenalright so
08:47.18valdynamee2k: which 'automonter' ?
08:47.20Dr_zwaffelenthis high pitched screech isn't coming from my heatsink fan, or my psu or any other fan on my computer....what could be making this screeching noise?
08:47.30Dr_zwaffelenor my harddrive
08:48.02xinguspeaker?
08:48.11valdynDr_zwaffelen: its not your speakers? what other moving parts are there in your box?
08:48.31Dr_zwaffelenspeaker = the thing that makes beeping noises?
08:48.46xinguja
08:48.52Dr_zwaffeleni dunno i haven't checked it
08:49.07xinguflourescent inverters and capacitors can squeal too
08:49.07Dr_zwaffelenwhats it look like?
08:49.42valdynamee2k: there's gnome-volume-manager, ivman and probably more
08:50.31Dr_zwaffelenhttp://www.montek.com/cart/files/thumbs/t_26987.jpg inverter?
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08:51.48Dr_zwaffelenthat could be it
08:51.54Dr_zwaffelenor it could be the motherboard speaker
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08:52.29Dr_zwaffelencan i kill the speaker in bios?
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08:53.04xingudepends on where the noise is coming from whether that'll be effective; unplug it is a better idea
08:53.14MidgetDNhey all, I've set my machine to "sleep" after 30 minutes, but is there a way to sleep/hibernate it manually?
08:53.19xinguno ground return == no danger of any unexpected bleeps or bloops.
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08:53.34MidgetDN(I actually just want to power down the HD...)
08:53.35amee2kvaldyn: not exactly sure which one. i'm not running a GUI. if there is one known to supports this feature i'll switch
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08:56.07xinguspeaker noise can either come from the digital side of the pc wailing away at the transistor driving it, or as analogue crosstalk from ~8kHz->22kHz sources (or harmonics in that range of higher freq. sources) directly across the dc input and return lines to the speaker or across its coil
08:57.08xinguso just squigging the digital part (volume set to zero in a mixer or just not driving that sound output) only cures part of that fault - if that's what it is
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08:57.26kevinhowdy
08:57.54xingusome sound mixers are so shite that if your capture sources (mic, whatever) are not muted, they'll pick up crosstalk, get mixed, and amplified.
08:58.11kevinwould anyone happen to know how I can get the perl module IPTables::IPv4 to compile on etch?
08:58.31kevinwhen you run make on etch for that module you get a few hundred lines of: IPv4.c:1130: error: invalid type argument of âunary *â
09:00.29ZaoTry an older g++ version?
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09:00.55xinguright, thats my change window open, time to go and break things
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09:01.46kevinzao: how would i do that?
09:01.58kevinforgive me, i'm not super skilled
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09:05.31xandshmuma: please turn that off
09:05.48shmumaxammu: ok, sorry
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09:10.05valdynamee2k: dpkg -l ivman
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09:13.20amee2kvaldyn: No packages found matching ivman.
09:13.36amee2kreading over their homepage now
09:16.23valdynamee2k: all automounters should support this, just trying to figure out which one you are using
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09:21.12scxThe directory with C header files is: /usr/src/uname-r/include/linux/
09:21.15scxright?
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09:22.27tralalano
09:22.40eisen<PROTECTED>
09:22.43tralalathere are various include dirs
09:23.13kevinzao: you still there?
09:23.37kevinzao: thanks for the advice, I ran aptitude and installed gcc 3.3.3 or whatever
09:23.38robin_szso ... whats the email client that comes up as standard under gnome?   when I click on links in firefox, it comes up instead of thunderbird, but theres noi "about" box to identify the app for apt-get removing
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09:23.52kevinand IPTables::IPv4 installed just fine
09:24.08valdynrobin_sz: mutt ?
09:24.19robin_sznah, some gui thing
09:24.32valdynrobin_sz: depends on what you installed, see gnome preferences
09:25.05valdynrobin_sz: 'Preferred Applications' or update-alternatives
09:25.06robin_szsee what? where are those?
09:25.32scxsrry, was lost in space
09:25.34valdynrobin_sz: i don't know which one firefox will use, first is gnome's settings, 2nd is 'global'
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09:26.25robin_szwhere do I find "preffered applications" ?
09:26.39valdynrobin_sz: System / Settings
09:26.46valdynrobin_sz: System -> Settings
09:27.16robin_szsorry, still no clearer
09:27.30valdynrobin_sz: gnome has a main menu, that menu has 3 choices '
09:27.40valdynrobin_sz: Applications , Locations and System
09:27.44robin_szapplication, places and desktop
09:27.53roxy_Hi, I have a program that can't find lib in /usr/lib, what can I do ? :  http://rafb.net/p/EwTpZ410.html
09:27.55valdynrobin_sz: oh, Desktop then, i guess
09:28.05valdynrobin_sz: sais 'System' here
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09:28.15robin_szok, found it
09:28.20robin_szI never use those menus :)
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09:28.53valdynscx: generic?
09:29.26scxfor C libraries, not for the running kernel
09:29.38valdynscx: correct
09:29.55robin_szright, thanks. it was evolution ... thats going to the bit bucket so it doesn't bother me again :)
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09:30.23scxkernel headers is no /usr/src/KERNEL/include/linux/ ?
09:30.25tarzeauthere's no tool to generate .desktop files from debian menu files?
09:31.13scx.desktop files are pretty easy to make with a text editor and also with KDE tools
09:31.15robin_szhmmm .. that doesnt seem right ... trying to remove evoltuion it says it will remover gnome-desktop-enviroment too
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09:31.23tarzeauscx: same with debian menu files
09:31.35tarzeauscx: just that i already have many menu files but no .desktop files
09:31.39dronedgoogle video/youtube sometime work but sometimes they freeze iceweasel
09:31.41robin_szThe following packages will be REMOVED
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09:31.43dronedthis is annoying
09:31.47robin_szdoes thatseem right?
09:31.49tarzeauscx: since they are somewhat similar in content data, i'd like some converter
09:31.57scxtarzeau: every menu is a .desktop
09:32.12scxI mean every option in the menu
09:32.47tarzeauscx: i'm talking about debian menu files
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09:34.08valdynrobin_sz: yea
09:34.51robin_szoh ok then
09:35.13robin_szand the rest of my X/gnome thing will be unaffectedd?
09:35.20dronedDebian:  101% Proof!
09:35.21scxduh,... I forgot I installed a new kernel and never installed the new source, I still have the old one :p
09:35.52valdynrobin_sz: yes
09:35.57scx101%  n00b-proof
09:36.03robin_szok, off it goes then
09:36.19dronedscx: moonshine proof?
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09:36.23droned190%?
09:36.40droneddebian is all that and more
09:36.49robin_szit jusst sounded a bit of a fundemental thing to be removing, just to dump a email client
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09:37.57valdyn!meta-package
09:37.58valdyn!meta package
09:38.27valdynrobin_sz: gnome-desktop-environment is a meta package, consisting only of dependencies, evolution is just one of those
09:38.35robin_szright
09:38.49robin_szso presumably, I dont have any of the other bits either
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09:39.01valdynrobin_sz: eh?
09:39.09robin_szthe dpendencies
09:39.16valdynrobin_sz: wrong
09:39.19pythoniccan i run debian installer from usb drive? do i use the businesscard image?
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09:39.34robin_szoh, err .. righy
09:39.47valdynrobin_sz: by example: g-d-e depends on 10  things, removeing one of those 10 removes g-d-e but leaves the 9 remaining things untouched
09:39.56robin_szright. got it
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09:41.11valdynrobin_sz: now you will not get software that is added to gnome automagically, that is all
09:41.26robin_szahh.
09:41.45robin_szlike ekiga, which I noticed installed itself the other day?
09:41.53valdynrobin_sz: yea, i guess
09:42.06heloxine can't play this dvd of mine, is there something extra i need to do?
09:42.28robin_szright, I guess removing g-d-e is a good thing then
09:42.46valdynhelo: maybe
09:42.57helo<PROTECTED>
09:43.29valdynhelo: is mplayer installed?
09:43.42valdynhelo:  ( you don't need it, just makes testing for me easier )
09:44.50helohmm... this new dvd is behaving like it has some kind of funky playback protection
09:45.02heloinstalling mplayer...
09:45.04valdynhelo: dpkg -l | tail -1 libdvdcss
09:45.10heloit's installed
09:45.38valdynhelo: dpkg -l libdvdcss2 | tail -1
09:46.19heloi have libdvdread installed
09:46.22helono libdvdcss2
09:46.27valdyn!marillat
09:46.28dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/)  Edit sources.list and change to the new location.
09:46.34helothanks
09:46.40robin_szas a matter of interest, what was ekiga, ... its gone now, so a bit hard to tell
09:46.47valdynhelo: add that abovementioned repository and install libdvdcss2
09:47.00valdynrobin_sz: apt-cache show ekiga
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09:49.35ebwI my debian there is a avahi-daemon installed. I read about it being a multicast dns or something like that. Do I really need this?
09:49.52valdynebw: gnome depends on it
09:49.53tarzeauebw: i don't have it
09:50.27ebwok
09:50.30helook... this isn't working... i've been playing dvds in linux for a long freaking time
09:50.35scxI am looking for someone to email me the Debian cd's
09:50.39helobut i can't get it to work atm
09:50.50heloi wrote the freaking howto 7 years ago
09:50.52valdynhelo: even with libdvdcss2 you cant?
09:50.55heloyeah...
09:50.56scxor at leas a site that I can buy the iso's
09:51.12helosays encrypted or faulty dvd... maybe the disc is bad
09:51.12valdynhelo: mplayer -dvd-device /dev/dvd dvd://
09:51.18valdynhelo: maybe, yea
09:51.37scxthe listed sites to sell disks some doesn't exist or have old versions etc...
09:51.41valdynhelo: that's what i'd suspect certainly, there's normally no issues with either player
09:51.43helolibdvdread: Invalid title IFO (VTS_01_0.IFO).
09:52.05valdynhelo: you can play the data directly
09:52.13valdynhelo: mplayer /dev/dvd
09:52.39scx*to many noobs are making suse to really suck...
09:52.45scxtoo
09:53.14xandto really suck what?
09:53.16scxwho want to email me the disks :-
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09:53.54scxmmm. that looks like,. emm,,
09:54.00scxI mean: :/
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09:54.28crm_hi hi
09:54.30crm_http://crm.is-a-geek.com/errorlog
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09:54.40crm_can yall see that?
09:54.58crm_basically i have a pcmcia usb2.0 bus that is locking my system
09:54.58tralalaI can't be bothered
09:54.59kevinok.. i have the apache2 package installed on etch.. how do i get mod_auth installed? it doesn't appear to be compiled in, is there a package? i didn't see one
09:55.07crm_come on tralala
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09:55.20crm_anyway.. where peterS
09:55.40scx!dvd
09:55.40dpkgi heard dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss, or to burn a dvd check  growisofs.
09:55.47scxsrry
09:56.01tralalacrm_, paste it on a normal pastebin for starters and describe the problem
09:57.25crm_k tralala
09:57.25crm_one tick
09:57.26valdynkevin: auth changed from apache1, mods are in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ and need a symlink in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ to be enabled
09:57.26crm_tralala .. http://pastebin.ca/379519
09:57.27kevinvaldyn: is it still called mod_auth or did the name change ?
09:57.38tralalacrm_, good start. Now what is the actual problem?
09:57.41wols_kevin:  dpkg -S /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_auth_basic.so
09:57.42crm_tralala .. the problem is that my pcmcia usb2.0 bus is locking up my pc
09:57.59scxplease, the only decent store sell the cd's in 80dlls
09:58.00tralalalocking up? as in crashing?
09:58.07scxand I have dialup
09:58.11kevinoooohhh ok
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09:58.27crm_that dmesg shows me booting the pc with the card installed.. then unplugging it at the "hang"
09:58.42crm_tralala .. no, just freezing.. till i pull the card
09:58.43kevinwols: not found!
09:59.03tralalacrm_, and when you pull it it resumes normal operation?
09:59.17crm_tralala .. in the 2.6 kernel.. yes.. but not in the 2.4
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09:59.51crm_tralala .. actually in the 2.6 .. after the initial crash.. it won't listen to the pcmcia port
10:00.21wols_it's part of apache2.2-common here
10:00.55tralalacrm_, try disabling some of the io ranges for the pcmcia scan
10:01.12tralalaor try a newer kernel (from backports.org)
10:01.28crm_tralala .. how do i disable the io ranges?
10:01.49crm_tralala .. building a kernel takes forever =/
10:01.58tralalacrm_, first of all boot with the card out, and see the io allocations (cat /proc/ioports)
10:02.32tralalacrm_, you don't need to build a kernel. The nice people over at backports.org have done this job for you.
10:02.52crm_hrm.. lemme see =
10:02.54crm_)
10:03.07scx!:(
10:03.07dpkgawwwww, whats the matter??
10:03.20kevinwols_: i got apache 2.0 everything installed here..
10:04.31wols_!tell kevin about search
10:04.36wols_it will tell you
10:04.47scx'cmon, I'll pay the cd's
10:04.57scxI'm desperate
10:05.20scxI will slut for Debain cd's
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10:06.04crm_tralala .. will it be of use if i give you an ssh session?
10:06.23wols_crm_: ypou should know better
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10:06.42raf256in todays episode of Low Quality Shitware in debian:
10:06.55xandin today's episode of raf256's whinging
10:07.01raf256Kopete - the program which looses data (conversations history) - good work Kopete team!
10:07.14xandraf256: take it back for a refund
10:07.25Talluraf256: write a better one?
10:07.25raf256xand: 1. whine  2. let it be that way
10:07.42tralalacrm_, there's no need, just paste the output of cat /proc/ioports
10:07.43xandraf256: what?
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10:07.48raf256xand: any other option?
10:07.50crm_tralala .. i'll boot without the pcmcia card and post /cat /pro.. .ok
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10:08.01raf256Tallu: if anyone will buy it
10:08.07xandbuy it? no thanks
10:08.21raf256I would buy good jabber client
10:08.47tralalacrm_, good
10:08.53raf256to have something more serious then buggs apps written in garage
10:09.11raf256how to solve this problem?
10:09.22cahootchange os?
10:09.26wols_english m..., you speak it?
10:09.26xandwhat problem?
10:09.28raf256to what?
10:09.32xandWindows.
10:09.38cahootto something you pay for
10:09.41xandit's commercial and therefore better
10:09.42raf256no, windows is poor as well - it spy on users
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10:09.48wols_raf256: btw, you're one day early. come back tomorrow when it's your day
10:10.07Talluraf256: start programming, make applications that suit your needs, then distribute them if you feel like it
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10:10.16raf256wols_: if you have nothing constructive to say, why not stfu
10:10.21xandROFL
10:10.44raf256xand: problem that debian is full of poorly written, low-quality software
10:10.45vince36hey ,; nice day here , hi all (o:
10:10.47cahootstraight from the aster of constructive criticism
10:10.55xandraf256: don't bloody use it then
10:10.59cahoots/aster/master/
10:11.09raf256I found major bugs in almost all applications I use regularry, kruader, kopete, knode, thunderbird, firefox etc
10:11.40raf256xand: just not using it is not a solution, nor for me nor for other users
10:11.46Talluraf256: either start fixing them, report them, or part... bitching about it here will do no one any good
10:11.58raf256Tallu: I write bunch of bug reports
10:12.07vince36raf256, i've no problem with all apppli yu mentioned
10:12.09simonrvnraf256: so stop bitching and start filing bug reports
10:12.12Talluare they as well written as your arguments here?
10:12.16Tallu"this sux"
10:12.17raf256simonrvn: I already did
10:12.21wols_you have 3 possible courses of action: a) uss another software/OS without bugs. b) write your own bug free software c) fix the bugs in the software
10:12.24simonrvnso stop bitching
10:12.28raf256Tallu: no, back traces, valgrinds etc
10:12.30xandraf256: I don't care, we don't want your constant whinging about it
10:12.34wols_since you don't like any, there is no solution. HTH. HAND
10:13.01raf256wols_: neither of thoes seem to be good how about other solutions
10:13.14simonrvnraf256: this isn't the BTS
10:13.30wols_there is one other solution: pay someone megabucks to either do b or c
10:13.51wols_and no, logically there cannot be any other solutions. cannot. so no more solutions
10:13.54raf256wols_: how about: 1000 users pay 3 bucks (instead 1 user paying 3000 to fix it)
10:14.26stefanohello everybody. i've installed the xen packages on my amd64 sid. I've boot with that kernel successfully . now I've created an image with "xen-create-image --hostname deb_xen --debootstrap --dist sid --arch i386 --dhcp --dir /mnt/pozzo/" and it's been created successfully. but when I try to launch it using xm, here's what I get: Error: Kernel image does not exist: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-xen-686
10:14.27simonrvnhow about an /ignore
10:14.33wols_that's a) when the other OS is windows. you pay some money to MS which sells windows to all of you
10:14.37xandI think a /ban would be nicer :p
10:14.48simonrvn/ig works nicely
10:14.48tralala!trollcall
10:14.48dpkgI thought I saw a don't feed the trolls sign around here somewhere....
10:14.55heviartianyone here ever used a spaceball?
10:15.08raf256wols_: why only windows can use this approach
10:15.27vince36is there a fucking guy with 82.96.96.3 ip here
10:15.39wols_I didn't say only windows does. it's just that it's the biggest player in that space
10:15.44tralalavince36, are you retarded?
10:15.53valdynraf256: major linux applications are quite commonly written by professionals payed by companies.
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10:15.57MarcoPauhello, I have to set up ip forwarding to a secondary ethernet device on my computer. for now, I set 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, and tried to hack in the router with "routing setup"...
10:16.02vince36tralala, it can happen
10:16.04raf256valdyn: I thought kde apps are also the case?
10:16.24valdynraf256: are _what_ ?
10:16.39raf256are written by payed devels, or some of them
10:16.41wols_raf256: Windows is built by many multimillionaire professionals. Is it bug free?
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10:17.02raf256wols_: windows the os have more bugs then linux os
10:17.17valdynraf256: i cant tell you about kde specifically, i don't ever use it
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10:17.19xandraf256: so your argument is crap then
10:17.20raf256but windows applications (esp. not by M$) seem to be better debugged and polished
10:17.21wols_yes, windows is very much only made by professionals
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10:17.23crm_tralala  .. http://pastebin.ca/379547
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10:18.10wols_MarcoPau: more input gives more output
10:18.25wols_simonrvn: does the file it complains about exist? are you running a Xen kernel?
10:18.29raf256...but _applications_ in windows seem better
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10:18.35wols_oops. should have been stefano
10:18.41xandraf256: why dont you run Windows then
10:18.47wols_raf256: then run WINE with those applications
10:18.51raf256xand: because windows (as in os) sucks
10:18.52Talluraf256: really, this isnt the place to bitch about these things.
10:19.09wols_Tallu: he has no other place until he gets banned
10:19.09tralalacrm_, did you type this by hand?
10:19.18stefanowols_: doesn't exist. I think it should have been copied automatically but there isn't
10:19.18crm_tralala  =)
10:19.20raf256wols_: it doesnt integrate with linux etc
10:19.21Talluwols_: i suppose you're right
10:19.22valdynraf256: as unspecific as you are, no one here can even consider doing something about it
10:19.26vince36ouarf tralala i understand yur question now hehe
10:19.44crm_tralala .. whats the condition doctor?
10:19.51MarcoPauwols_: huh?
10:19.52crm_will it live?
10:19.54wols_stefano: so maybe install it? and again: are you running a Xen enabled kernel right now?
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10:20.03tralalacrm_, no, really. Here's what could be the problem: 0cf8-0cff : PCI conf1
10:20.06Eclipserraf256, for the record, MS does a lot better job with software than 95% of the rest of the companies
10:20.11raf256valdyn: kopete looses history; displays wrong user avatars;  knode crashes; krusader crushers in FTP mode; etc
10:20.13tralalasounds like a conflict
10:20.15wols_MarcoPau: your question. no one can help you until you get more specific
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10:20.42raf256Eclipser: thebat was superb email client, while outlooks suck
10:20.46amee2kraf256: #winflame => ##socialites if you want to bitch about windows (with a lot of people who agree :)
10:20.49tralalaon a second thought (and a second font) it might be a config
10:21.03crm_tralala .. im lost =/
10:21.10raf256wouldnt it be nice to have serious companies
10:21.21raf256write commercial soft also in native linux format
10:21.24crm_tralala .. any way  to fix the conflict?
10:21.59crm_raf256 .. the .NET crap spoiled it... also vista
10:22.04wols_raf256: software is like sex
10:22.06stefanowols_: yes,I'm running a 2.6.18 deb kernel
10:22.21crm_linux runs fin on a PC that isn't perspiring steriods
10:22.25wols_stefano: no I didn't ask you that. Are you running a Xen kernel is what I asked
10:22.31wols_and your question shows me you probably don't
10:22.37MarcoPauwols_: what I can say is that I have my router connected to eth1 and a voip phone to eth0. I need to enable routing fromn eth1 to eth0 in order to make the phone reachable, as if they were part of the same LAN, as if I used a switch or a second port on the router (which I don't have, evidently :-() to connect the phone
10:22.42cahootwols_: with eulas and all?
10:22.49scxwhy not putting a store in Debian.org like Gentoo does?
10:23.10wols_cahoot: ...it's better when it's free
10:23.11crm_tralala .. what ever should i do about this condition?
10:23.16tralalacrm_, you will notice that the pcmcia scan is trying some areas used by other devices, for example 0x0100-0x04ff
10:23.44crm_lemme see
10:23.46stefanowols_: I'm using xen kernel
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10:24.07raf256wols_: no it's not
10:24.18tralalacrm_, this could be causing the freeze. But I think it's easier to just try a newer kernel. What's the purpose of this machine?
10:24.36raf256wols_: software is like a meal. If you are a poor bumb, go for a free meal in sociall care
10:24.40wols_raf256: then you're definitely using the wrong distro and are in the wrong channel
10:24.40crm_tralala .. a robot
10:24.41helothanks, i had the drive mounted :/
10:24.42raf256if you have money, go to restaurant
10:24.51helovery obscure error messages :)
10:25.00valdynraf256: the kopete loosig history bug doesn't seem to be in the debian bts
10:25.01tralalacrm_, a robot?
10:25.07Talluraf256: couldnt you please leave? this distro is meant for people who want absolutely free softwareö.
10:25.11raf256crm_: there are plenty of aps not written in NET
10:25.13wols_MarcoPau: must it be in the same subnet? or can it have its own?
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10:25.16crm_tralala .. yea =)
10:25.32crm_tralala .. its mounted to the back of a robot to control stuff
10:25.36valdynraf256: if the same is the case for all the other bugs you listed, duh, no one's gonna fix it
10:25.44raf256Tallu: ever occured to you that this approach might not be the best one
10:25.53crm_tralala .. the pcmcia usb2.0 card was for the vision.. webcams
10:26.04Talluraf256: choose a distro more fitting to your needs, then
10:26.16wols_raf256: there are already TONS of compnies who take your money for software. go and bother them, not us
10:26.17Talluraf256: ever occured to you that maybe this distro isnt meant for you?
10:26.23crm_tralala .. without sounding like a troll.. im getting close to just formatting and going with win98se =/
10:26.24raf256valdyn: I discovered hisory problem in kopete this instant; I reported other kopete knode krusaer and more bugs
10:26.32MarcoPauwols_: don't really know... I don't think it matters, anyway. just the traffic from the port 5060 has to go to that eth device and to the phone
10:26.42crm_tralala .. but im sure there's a simple fix for this prob
10:26.45vince36raf256, ever occured to you that yur way of thinking is not universal
10:26.58raf256vince36: and?
10:26.58crm_tralala .. actually .. a complex fix.. but a fix all the same =)
10:26.58wols_MarcoPau: so you need port forwarding. is the debian box already doing NAT?
10:27.14MarcoPauwols_: I don't really know... :-\
10:27.23raf256Tallu: perhaps. or perhaps debian should help companies that want to sell software for it
10:27.27wols_iptables -L -t nat will tell you
10:27.36tralalacrm_, do you run software that depends on a particular kernel version? Custom drivers for example?
10:27.37crm_tralala .. so what do i do now?
10:27.44valdynraf256: it does
10:27.44crm_tralala .. not yet.. no
10:27.50stefanowols_ : it's the 2.6.18 debian xen kernel on amd64
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10:27.56vince36and yu seem to think yu know what others have to think , thats boring
10:27.57Talluraf256: write a program, package it, sell it, simple
10:28.04crm_tralala .. atm im using a simple serial servo controller.. nothing more
10:28.08wols_stefano: since it wants 2.6.12-xen, how about giving that kernel to it?
10:28.16MarcoPauChain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
10:28.16MarcoPautarget     prot opt source               destination
10:28.32MarcoPauI get that also for postrouting and output
10:28.33tralalacrm_, install a newer kernel. /msg dpkg bpo will tell you how
10:28.39FahrenheitHello everybody, I recently updated a local server to Etch and when I tipe useradd a_user, it doesn't create anything, is there a known bug ?
10:28.49stefanowols_: I thought it was automatic. More, where should I get that kernel (and where did it get that particular kernel name?)
10:28.54valdynFahrenheit: why don't you use 'adduser' ?
10:29.03crm_tralala .. i think the 2.6.8 kernel was the best i could do
10:29.12wols_stefano: try your reository. could be a Xen config file I'd say
10:29.17FahrenheitI want a user without password and without specific home
10:29.19wols_stefano: you run sid, you know the breaks
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10:29.34crm_tralala .. but if that command will tell me something more.. i'm happy to run it
10:29.35tralalacrm_, now you can do better, just read the factoid I gave you
10:29.37stefanowols_: true :-)
10:29.40Fahrenheitvaldyn   : I will try with adduser
10:29.45crm_k =)
10:29.52valdynFahrenheit: did you verify that nothing was added to /etc/passwd ?
10:29.53tralalacrm_, this is an irc command btw
10:30.37crm_hrm. ok
10:30.58wols_MarcoPau: if all you need is to route traffic for port 5060, you need portforwardind which is done with iptables
10:31.00raf256does debian have a fully working jabber X client
10:31.03Fahrenheitvaldyn  : yes, that's the problem and adduser give me thaht :
10:31.03FahrenheitViki:~# adduser sybase
10:31.03FahrenheitAdding the user « sybase »...
10:31.03FahrenheitAdding the ne group "sybae» (1003)...
10:31.03Fahrenheitadduser : « /usr/sbin/groupadd -g 1003 sybase » returned the code 1.
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10:31.16wols_you need to write a little script calling it forwarding the necessary port
10:31.18tralalaFahrenheit, /msg dpkg paste
10:31.29Fahrenheitsorry, i was trying to paste the result of adduser
10:31.33Fahrenheitexcuse me
10:31.52MarcoPauwols_: don't I need ip forwarding for the two ethernet cards also?
10:31.59Fahrenheitthe problem seems to come from my server an not from the package, adduser return an error code 1
10:32.16FahrenheitI can't add any user (even using useradd or adduser)
10:32.23valdynFahrenheit: yea
10:32.34valdynFahrenheit: try grep 1003 /etc/group and grep 1003 /etc/passwd
10:32.36RydekullFahrenheit: grep 1003 /etc/group
10:32.40Rydekullvaldyn: ;)
10:32.58wols_MarcoPau: why? not if you need only a single port
10:33.38Fahrenheitvaldyn & Rydekull  > no result
10:33.46MarcoPauwols_: ok. do you know any website that may help in order to write that rule? I don't have a clue about that
10:34.11wols_iptables howto should
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10:34.32RydekullFahrenheit: paste the whole thing into a pastebin
10:35.01FahrenheitRydekull  > the whole error message or the whole /etc/passwd ?
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10:37.46FahrenheitHere it is : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5546
10:38.26scxI can sometimes be realy silly :/
10:38.46FahrenheitAt the base, the messag is in french, so I apologize if the traduction is not exactly the same as the english version
10:38.50crm_tralala .. ive modified my sources.lst.. now to get the latests kernel...
10:39.05crm_tralala .. is it apt-get -t sarge-backports install “kernel-2.6”?
10:39.20tralalacrm_, don't you know how to use apt-get?
10:39.34crm_tralala .. no.. i've been using aptitude
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10:39.47tralalacrm_, do it with aptitude then
10:40.04crm_ok.. so im after the latest kernel tralala ?
10:40.17HornBlowerhello
10:40.21CppIsWeirdwhat would i enable in my kernel to allow it to run a raid card?
10:40.27tralalacrm_, yes
10:40.34crm_tralala  . ta =)
10:41.10tralalayw
10:41.42FahrenheitRydekull > no idea for this error ?
10:42.23valdynCppIsWeird: nothing
10:42.36valdynCppIsWeird: are you trying to compile a kernel yourself?
10:42.41tralalaFahrenheit, probably you already have a group with id 1003
10:42.46CppIsWeirdvaldyn: then why when i put the card in do i get a kernel panic?
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10:43.00CppIsWeirdthe card worked just fine with OpenBSD
10:43.20Fahrenheittralala  > when i tipe more /etc/group | grep 1003, it doesn't give me anythin
10:43.26Fahrenheit*anything sorry
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10:44.30RydekullFahrenheit: we told you to try grep 1003 /etc/group
10:44.35valdynFahrenheit: more isnt the fool for this
10:44.39RydekullFahrenheit: which is just more simple to type :)
10:44.46valdynops, s/fool/tool/
10:44.51tralalamore works just fine
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10:45.10tralalaalthough it isn't needed
10:45.27RydekullFahrenheit: but, that error should really be because it's a group named 1003, try choosing your own number
10:45.35pznHi, which is the right kernel for amd-k2? there is linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 but the description does not tell about k6...
10:45.57FahrenheitRydekull  > ok thx
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10:46.17RydekullFahrenheit: a group with the gid 1003 I mean
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10:46.44wols_if not, try the -686
10:47.13tralalaFahrenheit, maybe there is a group sybase already
10:47.17tralalatry grepping the name
10:47.27stefanobrb
10:47.34Fahrenheittralala > indeed, that's the problem
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10:47.55Fahrenheitthanks to everybody for help
10:47.59Rydekullhah :)
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10:50.18blahdeblahHi folks.  HAL on my etch machine seems to be a bit hit & miss.  Sometimes it mounts removable media and sometimes it won't.  Is there anything special i need to configure to make it work right (e.g. /etc/fstab entries)?
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10:51.10londaincat /etc/group   is even easier
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10:51.36Rydekulllondain: it might be, but doesnt need to be :)
10:51.42crm__tralala, aptitude is throwing up errors
10:52.07tralalacrm__, did you use the UI?
10:52.20crm__tralala, well yea.. the aptitude command line ui
10:52.54tralalacrm__, paste the command and the error messages
10:53.05pznwols_, there is no more -k6 linux-image...deb package. I'll try the -686 as you suggested.
10:53.42crm__tralala, .. couldn't start source package list http://www.backports.org
10:53.55crm__tralala, sarge-backports/main Packages
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10:54.58tralalacrm__, did you run update before trying to install?
10:55.15crm__tralala, what update?
10:55.34crm__tralala, i'll read the instructions again =/
10:55.45vanisheri have debian etch running on a Dell D810 with kernel 18-4.. when i have the charger attached there is a very annoying high frequent sound.. If i start XP or Centos it's gone
10:55.45MarcoPauwols_: anyway, how about nat? is my box supposed to do it?
10:55.55tralalacrm__, the way I see it, you have two options - study the tools you're using for your job or use tools you're already familiar with (win98se?)
10:56.33crm__tralala, .. yea.. i was hoping simple things like installing new hardware wouldn't be such an issue =)
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10:58.40tralalacrm__, if you decide to go for option one, read man aptitude
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10:59.24wols_MarcoPau: since you already have a router: no. that would be double nat
10:59.40crm__tralala, im happy to rtfm.. but if its something that you can simply answer .. please do.
10:59.54wols_pzn: you could also compile your own and change in menuconfig only the processor type
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11:00.00Rydekullcrm__: it's better you rtfm
11:00.03dav__elo
11:00.04Rydekullcrm__: to learn it
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11:00.42tralalacrm__, I can simply take your offer for ssh access and do the job for you. However this is not beneficial for me and in the long term not beneficial for you either
11:00.43wols_pzn: you could also check backports perhaps
11:00.45crm__Rydekull, i think you've just about secured my direction
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11:01.12dav__i have installed knoppix yesterday (on my mother computer), i have make a "Exact CD copy", everything work but when the system start it's writted "read-only i don't know how to change that ... i tried with /etc/fstab but doesn't seem to work
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11:01.32wols_!knoppix
11:01.32dpkgKnoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/
11:02.03tralaladav__, you won't have this problem if you install debian
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11:02.37wols_either install debian or ubuntu. knoppix is not made for harddisk installs at all
11:03.09dav__tralala, i know i have a debian for my computer, i have installed debian fist but lots of problems on it ... the graphic card (very old) didn't work well, i don't have ndiswrapper support too but in knoppix everything was included and it was french...
11:03.14Rydekullinstall debian, this is #debian :)
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11:03.27dav__Rydekull, i m a 100% debian user
11:03.38Rydekulldav__: that's knoppix ;)
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11:03.42crm__tralala, are you registered.. .you don't seem to be seeing my /pm
11:03.43wols_dav__: your problem is with knoppix not debian, so ask them
11:03.46xanddav__: why don't support knoppix here.
11:03.49xanderm
11:03.54xands/why/we/
11:03.58tralalacrm__, I am registered
11:04.04dav__Rydekull, yes but it s for my mum computer she don't have any net access with the default debian install! so knoppix is the only solution
11:04.10xandcrm__: but you are not :P
11:04.11Rydekullcrm__: people dont like having PMs sent to them just out of the blue
11:04.20dav__Rydekull, because by default debian doesn't support ndiswrapper
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11:04.29wols_dav__: we don't care. either you run debian on her PC or we can't help you
11:04.31Rydekulldav__: google, debian, daily
11:04.49crm__tralala, .. if you /pm me i'll give you the details to remote this pc
11:04.53pznwols_, thanks! -686 seems to work! lets run it for a couple of days... if no kernel-panic then it must run... :-)
11:04.57wols_crm__: YOU are not registered, and sending PMs is not nice anyways
11:05.10dav__wols_, why are u talking to me ui wasn't talking to you
11:05.12wols_pzn: spoken like a true sid user :)
11:05.29dav__Rydekull, this is what i have installed it's a daily bbuild i have tried
11:05.33Rydekullwols_, pzn: hah :)
11:05.34tralalacrm__, as I said this is not beneficial for any of us
11:05.44dav__Rydekull, you see i have tried many ways ...
11:05.52crm__tralala.. at this point in time.. im happy to accept it
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11:06.09wols_dav__: how long does it take you to see you won't get help with your knoppix problem here?
11:06.16vanisherno one?
11:06.23tralalacrm__, but why would I do it?
11:06.28wols_crm__: hopefully tralala is not willing to give it :)
11:06.32dav__wols_, yesterday some people (several) helped me
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11:06.46dav__wols_, so live your life and dn't take care about my problems thks
11:06.50xanddav__: support of knoppix is not allowed in here, so go to #knoppix
11:06.50Rydekulldav__: as I see it, you got three options. 1. go to #knoppix 2. fix ndiswrappers yourself on debian 3. Install <Name of distro that has ndiswrappers in it>, go there, ask them
11:07.01xanddav__: you're spamming the channel with offtopic stuff.
11:07.13xandthat's why we care
11:07.16crm__tralala.. you can tell me what the problem is quicker if you can get to the pc
11:07.22dav__Rydekull, i even not have any DVD reader on it only a 4x cd reader :)
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11:07.47Rydekullcrm__: the longer you spend trying to get him to fix it, the longer it will take for you to find the answer on your own .)
11:07.54tralalacrm__, I can tell you the problem right now without any access to the pc - it is that you don't know how to use the debian package management tools
11:08.07crm__Rydekull.. i've been trying to solve this problem for weeks now
11:08.40dav__!nickometer wols_
11:08.41dpkg'wols_' is 0.000% lame, dav__
11:08.47crm__tralala, i disagree.. you just told me to change my source location to a new one
11:08.48dav__:)
11:09.08crm__tralala, .. i would assume every mirror is the same... but you can correct me on that too
11:09.10Rydekullcrm__: Then isnt it time you sit down and actually try and learn it? I dont think you've tried to solve it, but I can only guess you havnt reached the point where you've started to actually try and understand it
11:09.21Rydekullcrm__: rather just find someone else to give you the direct answer
11:09.37tralalacrm__, this problem can be easily solved though - you can learn how to use it or you can hire tech support
11:09.54crm__Rydekull, .. no.. i have limited time and learning something like package management isn't a priority for me atm
11:10.03wols_then I guess it's the "hire tech support" for you
11:10.06Rydekullcrm__: See, the problem lies with you then :)
11:10.09crm__Rydekull, if i have to rtfm for simple things like that im happy to revert to windows
11:10.20tralalaand I didn't really tell you to change your sources - just to add a new source. I hope you've kept your orriginal sarge mirror
11:10.24Rydekullcrm__: Then it probably suits you better, good luck :)
11:10.30wols_crm__: no one holds you back
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11:11.15crm__ok.. decision made
11:11.19crm__thanks guys
11:11.23crm__good luck
11:11.28RydekullWelcome, hope everything works out
11:11.29wols_you too
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11:12.56tralala!customer
11:12.56dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building
11:13.03Rydekull:)
11:13.26RydekullI always find it sad when people arent willing to learn
11:14.45tralalawhat I don't get is why would you go for software you don't know if you can do your job with software that you know. Especially when you have deadlines and are in a hurry
11:15.17tralalawols_, how's Munich doing with the software migration?
11:15.35wols_haven't heard anything about them for some time
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11:16.04wols_now berlin starts a pilot project to go linux too btw (they sorta have to, they're basically bankrupt)
11:16.05Rydekullsoftware migration?
11:16.09tralalaNothing in the local news? Last thing I've read somewhere was that they might drop it after all
11:16.26wols_no. it's still moving forward but slowly
11:17.30tralalaRydekull, win->linux
11:18.06Rydekullyeah, I started to understand that after wols sentence about "to go linux"
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11:24.30pythonicboot.img.gz expands from 16837795 bytes to 250609664 bytes 8-O
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11:24.54valdyntralala: http://www.muenchen.de/Rathaus/dir/limux/english/147197/index.html
11:25.40DaveyBHow do I download kernel headers for? 2.6.18-4-686
11:25.43xinguhrm, there's a first, an upgrade that goes exactly according to script
11:26.01tarzeauDaveyB: using apt-get install. i guess you're etch+ ?
11:26.07valdynDaveyB: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686
11:26.09tarzeauDaveyB: it's called linux-headers since etch
11:26.38DaveyBk thanks
11:27.26DaveyBthanks valdyn
11:27.35tralalavaldyn, interesting, thanks
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11:39.32greek_anyone here?
11:39.38empathya
11:39.40empath:)
11:39.44greek_heh
11:39.54greek_is it difficult to make a server using debian?
11:39.59mortal_nope
11:40.02mortal_rtfm
11:40.08greek_i want to make my own home server using debian
11:40.17greek_just file server
11:40.17tarzeaugreek_: serving what?
11:40.29tarzeaugreek_: ftp? http? smb? nfs?
11:40.37greek_smb i guess
11:40.40greek_samba
11:41.03greek_but i don't know the process
11:41.10greek_i want to make a cheap machine
11:41.18greek_and install debian on it
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11:41.34greek_and then use it as server to share my files over my network
11:41.38greek_lan
11:41.56greek_do i need a monitor for my server?
11:42.10greek_how will i be able to configure everything
11:42.13Rydekullgreek_: for initial installation it's a good idea and easier
11:42.17vince36depends if yu know linux or not
11:42.22wols_greek_: by editing text files
11:42.36greek_don't know much bout commands i'm afraid
11:42.38freespaceor by using webbased gui tools like swat
11:42.45wols_for installing a monitor would be good. afterwards it's not needed anymore
11:42.52wols_http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/
11:42.56greek_i need gui cause i'm novice..
11:43.09vince36greek_, webmin can help yu very much too
11:43.15liablenot in etch
11:43.29liableyou could always run vnc though
11:43.35greek_yah
11:43.40vince36webmin not in etch ??
11:43.51xingu!webmin
11:43.51dpkgwell, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html
11:43.58greek_i was wondering if i can do the whole installation without using monitor , just with remote desktop
11:44.01greek_is that possible?
11:44.22wols_possible: yes. easy: no
11:44.26Rydekullgreek_: not 'remote desktop' it's possible though, but it doesnt count as a novice thing
11:44.44vince36i like webmin for internal network
11:45.01Rydekullhate webmin :)
11:45.06vince36(:
11:45.10greek_well.. can i use monitor for installation in my server and then connect remotely to my server and change things with no monitor need?
11:45.17wols_greek_: yes
11:45.21greek_vnc?
11:45.34Rydekullgreek_: by ssh each easy, or my webmin as he suggested
11:45.38wols_among other things yes, but simple ssh is prefered
11:45.47greek_what's ssh?
11:45.49Rydekullgreek_: or you could theoretically turn it into half a desktop and use vnc to it
11:45.52Rydekullgreek_: google it :)
11:46.15greek_is it gui?
11:46.17vince36waow greek_ , use gnome interface , man
11:46.17Rydekull!tell greek_ about ssh
11:46.23xand!webmin
11:46.23dpkgrumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html
11:46.23wols_no it's not GUI
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11:46.54vince36what means "lame" in english
11:46.57vince36? plz
11:47.06xand!plz
11:47.06dpkgrumour has it, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it
11:47.24Rydekullvince36: Something not good, very basic and bad
11:47.25xandit means... crap/shit/rubbish
11:47.28vince36((o:
11:47.30wols_vince36: translation: it sucks
11:47.35vince36okok thx
11:48.34xingu!dict lame
11:48.36dpkgDictionary 'lame' (5 of 11): 2. Hence, hobbling; limping; inefficient; imperfect. ``A lame endeavor.'' --Barrow. ;; O, most lame and impotent conclusion! --Shak. ;; (of horses) disabled in the feet or legs [syn: {spavined}] ;; deprive of the use of a limb, especially a leg; "The accident has crippled her for life"  ;; disabled in the feet or legs; "a crippled soldier"; "a game leg".
11:48.58vince36ok then thats simply a judgment , who has nothing to do in dpkg, IMHO
11:49.01xinguin context, most apt; webmin is indeed lame.
11:49.17greek_u guys thing that for me that i'm completely novice, would be a good idea of installing all the files that server needs to run plus some kde or xorg think to make it more simplier and then remove monitor and use vnc or something like that to make adjustments?
11:49.35xingu!u
11:49.35dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
11:50.13greek_you guys thing that for me that i'm completely novice, would be a good idea of installing all the files that server needs to run plus some kde or xorg think to make it more simplier and then remove monitor and use vnc or something like that to make adjustments?
11:50.15greek_lol
11:50.20wols_no
11:50.28Rydekullgreek_: I'd suggest dealing with it and really try and learn it to do it the text-file way, since in the end it'll be the best. Even though it's a hassle to learn from the start
11:50.33vince36i think that , yes , greek_
11:50.36wols_best thing for you is to buy a NSLU2 probably
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11:51.12wols_costs ~80EUR plus the harddisk and you have a fileserver
11:51.24warHas anyone tried the Support for DMA Engines in their benchmarks for 2.6.20?
11:51.28greek_i wanna do ity my self thnx
11:51.50wols_if you want to "do it yourself" then X is not the proper way, neither is webmin
11:52.14xinguwar: you'd need some pretty high end hardware to do that with at present
11:52.19greek_is there a manual on how to set up a file server with debian?
11:52.30Rydekullgreek_: Then go for the text-file way and be prepared to do some work! Search on google for "debian daily" and then download a iso, burn it, get a monitor and go install it
11:52.32wols_I already pointes you to the install manual
11:52.37Rydekullgreek_: google :)
11:52.52warxingu: k I just found that out as well
11:52.52Rydekullgreek_: howto debian <function>
11:52.53vince36greek_, just start to do it , it's not so hard
11:52.58warhttp://groups.google.com/group/fa.linux.kernel/browse_frm/thread/b19eda3d3e4127d1/338f4fa526c345ba?lnk=st&q=%22Support+for+DMA+Engines%22&rnum=14&hl=en#338f4fa526c345ba
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11:54.25greek_just wanna know what i'm searching for guys..
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11:55.52greek_just went to the deb page and theres a bounce of stuff bout installation prtition and such.. i alredy know that stuff , just wanna know how to make a file server having samba and then connect to it without using monitor
11:55.52vince36i've 2 network cards, but at boot it says something like can't rename eth2_temp , and then i must deal with , eth0, eth1, and eth2_temp that i must make up and down to make work good eth1 , anyone knows something about this problem ?
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11:56.22Rydekullgreek_: then go install if you know it :)
11:56.22liablegreek_: you just install, then install and setup samba. thats it
11:56.29Rydekullliable: and ssh
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11:56.39greek_so samba and ssh?
11:56.43Rydekullyes
11:56.48greek_and then how will i connect to the server?
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11:56.51earthianhello!
11:56.52Rydekulland be prepared to do some reading
11:56.57Rydekull!tell dpkg about ssh
11:56.59Rydekullbaa
11:57.06Rydekull!tell greek_ about ssh
11:57.09Rydekulldpkg: sorry :(
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11:57.25liablegreek_: if you install samba, you can see the networked drives, and if you need to admin it, connect with ssh
11:57.27x_linkRydekull: Hi !
11:57.34earthianis there any good comparative benchmark tool for debian? something like sisoftware sandra or so... a benchmark where you can compare results with other systems..
11:58.03pythonicwhich kernel image for turion64? amd64-k8?
11:58.12wols_yes
11:58.30greek_just wannna get the theory of this thing in my mind so i know roughly what i'm about to do.. so install debian, use the server files including samba, ssh and then i can connect to my samba server using putty on windows machines?
11:58.31earthianpythonic, k7 would do too
11:58.36x_linkI just did apt-get upgrade and now I must Configure Console-data, "policy to handle keyboard layout". Can I choose Keep kernels keyboard layout.
11:58.48xinguwar: afaik ioat is only in quad-core xeon chipsets at the moment
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11:59.11earthianpythonic, i would recommend you to compile your own kernel...
11:59.12Rydekullgreek_: seriously, google it, told you a rough way to search for it earlier
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11:59.19Rydekullgreek_: and we've told you what you need, google for it
11:59.31x_linkAnybody?
11:59.33pythonicwhy is there linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 and kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8?
11:59.38greek_boyccott google
11:59.45warxingu: thx. for the info you seem to keep well up on the kernel stuff eh?  ;)
11:59.49pythonicgoogle is evil
11:59.52earthianbest is 32bit for software support and other issues that are found on 64 bit linux ...
11:59.57Rydekullx_link: you probably want your WMs keyboard layout
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12:00.04xinguwar: it's a hobby of mine. :)
12:00.04Rydekullgreek_: that really isnt a good idea
12:00.12x_linkRydekull: That's not in the list.
12:00.31x_linkI will choose "Keep kernels keyboard layout".
12:00.33pythonici've done enough kernel compiles to last a life time. i just use the packaged ones now :-)
12:00.39earthianpythonic, the two packages are like links pointing to kernel package...
12:00.44Rydekullx_link: then why did you ask? :)
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12:00.56robin_szis there any decent Linux software for setting out booklets, advertising materials etc? I have Gimp for the image preparation. but right now im using Adobe-fu for the layup on Windows .. is there something for Linux I'm not knowing about??
12:01.09x_linkRydekull: The one you said is not in the list, I asked what I should pick, since I don't know.
12:01.19greek_Rydekull, please give me a good link , i can't find anything..
12:01.20pythonicthere is linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 but no linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64-k8
12:01.23Rydekullx_link: pick the one you think is the best :)
12:01.29x_linkRydekull: hehe ok...
12:01.51x_linkRydekull: I would talk to you later on in PM for like 2-3 minutes. If that's okey with you.
12:01.53Rydekullgreek_: As I've said, all along. You need to do some reading 1 minutes searching isnt enough
12:01.54xingukk
12:02.02Rydekullgreek_: one hour can get closer
12:02.19Rydekullx_link: it isnt, any channel will do, I'd assume you prefer our swedish-version :)
12:02.49pythonicinitramfs-tools vs. yaird?
12:02.53x_linkRydekull: I know.
12:03.02x_linkI will be back in a while, must let the kids play SuperTux now. hehe
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12:03.29greek_Rydekull: for christ shake dude. i'm not asking you to guide me through it, just send me some link that explains what i have to do in order to set up a server..
12:03.50pythonicchrist shake?
12:03.55vince36greek_, just start an install , yu'll have the choice
12:03.58cahootgreek_: get the Debian Reference
12:04.10Rydekullgreek_: I've done enough work for you already, Basically told you exact thing you need to do. You need to do some reading else you wont learn
12:04.15Rydekullgreek_: so go and do it? :)
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12:04.52pythoniclearn to learn for yourself
12:05.04vince36christ shake is a funny expression ..(o;
12:05.15xingugreek_: tasksel install file-server
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12:05.44pythonicchrist shake is the body, blood, soul and divinity of christ, with milk.
12:05.57xingugreek_: then go read the fine manual on samba if your clients are that crippled redmond thing or on nfs-kernel-server if not
12:06.01liablehuh?
12:06.03vince36ohhh
12:06.14SufixxHi, I installed nerolinux from package and dpkg noticed me that package is damaged, but nero installed correctly. And now... I can't do anything with apt or dpkg, cos it returns me that package nerolinux is damaged. What is more I can't remove package with dpkg -r --force-all, because "package nerolinux needs to be reinstalled, but can't find archive for it".
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12:06.55dimirMoin!
12:06.56SufixxI can't reinstall package too, because of its "damage".
12:06.57pythonicwould you like a transubstanshake or a consubstanshake?
12:07.18wols_Sufixx: tried re dowmloading the file again?
12:07.22RydekullSufixx: apt-get -f install, put it in a pastebin and give us the link
12:07.22Sufixxyes
12:07.30Rydekull!tell Sufixx about paste
12:07.52greek_Rydekull, should i use sarge or etch for my home server?
12:08.22pythonicgreek_: windows, obviously.
12:08.30Rydekullgreek_: i'd say etch, never been a fan of sarge. But stable is stable, so if you dont need 'newer' packages, use sarge.
12:08.49wols_greek_: depends on your hardware.where do you want to install it?
12:08.58greek_Rydekull: i'll use amd 64
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12:09.03Rydekullgreek_: etch
12:09.09greek_k
12:09.20greek_Rydekull: is it stable?
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12:09.25Ramattackhi everybody
12:09.32mictyanyone knows why ssh connection take so long between login name, and password?
12:09.45vince36yup i think etch is stable
12:09.56wols_think again
12:09.59RamattackI've download destian testing dvd images with wget but they're size is 370 mb more or less instead of 370 gb... how could be this?
12:10.12wols_micty: reverse DNS issues?
12:10.16Rydekullgreek_: it'll soon be hopefully. I'd say its stable enough
12:10.30wols_Ramattack: 370 gigabytes?
12:10.31mictywols_:  don't know, how can I test?
12:10.41Ramattacknop 3.7 gb
12:10.42wols_micty: man dig
12:10.52pythonichttp://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
12:10.58mictywols_: btw, I am now testing using IP's
12:11.04greek_Rydekull: since i just need it for file server for home use, will there be any difference between 64 bit arch and 32?
12:11.10wols_Ramattack: why do you care about 3,7GB? a DVD is 4,7 GB
12:11.15xinguwar: not really, kvm is the main new functional merge, there's lots of other things going on under the bonnet though; with kvm be aware that sid's kvm package will oops with the in-kernel 2.6.20 kvm; you need a-i kvm love if you're playing;
12:11.25Rydekullgreek use etch amd64, it should work fine
12:11.35wols_micty: doesn't matter. ssh does a reverse lookup
12:11.35mictywols_: so DNS is not involved
12:11.43wols_sshd actually
12:11.47Ramattackvols_ it seems like if my debian looks the % in mb not using gb when downloading...
12:11.54mictywols_: really? ok, I'll man it
12:11.58pythonicmy amd64 freezes with debian :-(
12:11.58greek_Rydekull: i meant bout performance
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12:12.12Rydekullgreek_: told you what I think
12:12.16Ramattackit's quite strange,,,,
12:12.19greek_ok
12:12.20greek_:)
12:12.23wols_greek_: no there won't. a pentium 200 would be more than enough
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12:12.32Ramattackand it has happened me too from a windows machine too
12:12.49TrewasRamattack: older versions of wget are not able to use files larger than 4GB
12:12.49Ramattackare debian testing images wrong?
12:13.18RamattackIm using debian stable actually....
12:13.23Ramattackwget is so old?¿
12:13.28FahrenheitHelloe everybody, is ther any tool available on the apt to check the integrity of /etc/passwd and related config files (I think my system is corrupted) ?
12:13.30Kevin`why not download a netinstall image
12:13.41SufixxRydekull: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5547
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12:14.13Kevin`Ramattack unix has been around for quite a long while =p
12:14.42Ramattacksorry for my english don't understand you folk
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12:15.07RydekullSufixx: what did you do with the package? Still have it?
12:15.12TrewasRamattack: wget 1.10 seems to be the version that added large file support, maybe sarge has older version
12:15.18Sufixxyes
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12:15.30RydekullSufixx: I assumed you installed it with dpkg?
12:15.35mictywols_: dig -x internalIP ; returns fast
12:15.40Sufixxyes
12:15.42RydekullSufixx: do it again, paste it
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12:15.55mictywols_: does that means that rDNS isn't the problem?
12:16.25TrewasRamattack: yeah stable seems to have only wget 1.9.1, so you must download dvd-images with something else than wget
12:17.18wols_probably not
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12:17.59Ramattackok thanks then folks
12:18.03Ramattackbye!
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12:21.27SufixxRydekull: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5548
12:21.27mictyit takes about 7 seconds from inserting login, untill password prompt is shown
12:21.48mictythis is using putty
12:22.01abrotmanrdns
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12:23.30RydekullSufixx: you can try and correct the scripts they mentioned there
12:23.34Ramattackhi again
12:23.40tarzeaudoes anyone have an idea what that is? http://wiki.debian.org/Kernelcfg
12:23.42pjotahi there all!
12:23.47RydekullSufixx: or just be "ugly" and add a "exit" or similiar at the correct place :)
12:24.09mictyabrotman: but dig -x internalIP ; is short, btw I have a firewall between the server and client, and I dig'ed the firewall external IP
12:24.10SufixxI'll try :)
12:24.19RamattackI have set downloading with firefox the testing iso images but they are no longer than 2097.2 mb is this you're size? or is firefox that doesn't go more than that?
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12:24.31pythonicRydekull: amd64: nice, debian: nice, php: wtf?!?
12:24.38RydekullSufixx: it mentions what line and all :)
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12:24.51Rydekullpythonic: why not?
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12:25.02pjotaI have just installed etch but no manpages of section 2 were installed, I tried apt-get install manpages but didn't work. Anybody knows how to install section 2 of the man?
12:25.14pythonicRydekull: which version php?
12:25.19Rydekullpythonic: 5
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12:25.45pythonicRydekull: mind if i DOS you?
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12:26.18Rydekullpythonic: haha, somewhat, why would you want to? :)
12:26.40mictyabrotman: also diging the client IP doesnt take time
12:26.43pythonicRydekull: you asked "why not?"
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12:26.47Ramattackor how do you download this iso images? help please!
12:27.02pythonicServer: Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8
12:27.06Rydekullpythonic: Go ahead then :)
12:27.08abrotmanmicty: it was just a thought .. might be the actual problem .. try using verbose mode
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12:28.01pythonicRydekull: there's a DOS against the associative array implementation in PHP. i'll need to grab the hashing function for 5.2.0.
12:28.11pjotaRamattack,  use md5 to check if it's the correct iso
12:28.39Rydekullpythonic: yes, most FOSS-projects uses PHP though
12:28.48Rydekullpythonic: Kinda the way you have to take the good with the bad
12:29.36Ramattackyep but that's after downloading isn't it?
12:30.03pythonicdang! where do i find php source online?
12:30.16dav__what a bloody problem
12:30.16Rydekullpythonic: php.net :)
12:30.18dav__:(
12:30.30pjotayeah, but trust in official debian mirrors before it
12:30.30dav__ndiswarpper doesn't work
12:30.36pythonicyeah, i'm there... i'm trying to find a "developers" link or something.
12:30.54dav__hum is there a way to install a modul on linux without recompiling kernel
12:31.17Rydekullpythonic: try download instead :)
12:31.28wols_dav__: yes. get your kernel headers and compile the module
12:31.30cuscohello dudes
12:31.40pythonicyeah... i don't want to download all the source, just browse it online. there's only one function i need to see.
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12:31.55Rydekullpythonic: yes, but under download it tells you about cvs :)
12:31.59dav__wols_, after i must do a make modules_install no ?
12:32.11cuscodeb installer etch rc1 errors out while configuring my network card
12:32.25cuscoit says that /lib/udev/net.agent could not run or something
12:32.29cuscoand that file ain't there
12:32.30pythonicthere is is: http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/
12:32.34wols_dav__: that's for a full kernel. it depends what you compile what the command is
12:32.45wols_dav__: you should use m-a anyways
12:32.54dav__wols_, ths is an experimental modul taken from the net
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12:33.17dav__wols_, for a wifi card
12:33.20Rydekullcusco: installing with the daily build? :)
12:33.59dummycant find any compiz setting manager any compiz wizzards in here?
12:34.02pythoniczend_inline_hash_func is the function
12:34.40Rydekulldummy: #compiz
12:35.26pythonicummm.. where do i find 5.2.0 at that link?
12:35.33liabledav__: you should be able to just build it
12:35.50dummyty
12:36.03Rydekullpythonic: why am I supposed to help you out? :)
12:36.08pjotaAnybody knows how to install section 2 of the man? I tried apt-get install manpages but didn't work.
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12:36.21pythonicRydekull: because i don't like muckdiving :-)
12:36.40mictywhere is  the sshd log?
12:37.14wols_all logs are in /var/log
12:37.50tarzeaupjota: apt-get install manpages-dev
12:37.54liablemicty: auth.log would be what you want
12:38.02liableprobably
12:38.18tarzeaupjota: freebsd-manpages also has section 2 pages
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12:38.46pythonicbah! anyway if you put in a query string x=&y=&z=&etc.etc. where x and y and z collide with zend_inline_hash_func then you get a DOS.
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12:39.26tarzeauhttp://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ the curve is landing
12:39.27SufixxRydekull: works, thanks very much and cya :)
12:39.29pythonicthat hash function changes from version to version, so you need to look it up each time.
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12:39.38RydekullSufixx: welcome, great work!
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12:39.47pjotathanks tarzeau, man 2 ready to read! ;)
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12:40.56Ind[y]Hello. Where can I find a one-cd (netinst) release of Debian etch, that has updated authenticaition keys, and is stable? (in other words, a daily build)
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12:41.21RydekullInd[y]: google, debian daily
12:41.30Ind[y]Rydekull: ok
12:41.31pjotaInd[y], search Debian webpage
12:41.33pythonichttp://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
12:41.38Ind[y]pjota: k
12:41.41Ind[y]pythonic: thx :)
12:41.56Rydekullpythonic: people get spoiled because of you ;)
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12:42.40Ind[y]I want the list of cds available to install, eg cd-gnome-1 cd-2 cd-3 etc
12:42.48pythonicRydekull: okay. i've twinked out that url on my monitor.
12:43.09Ind[y]oh, I mean the weekly builds
12:43.23pythonic(hmm.. or do you call twink "white-out"?)
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12:43.40pjotaInd[y], if you use netinst, why need CD?
12:43.48Ind[y]So, a daily build doesn't contain anything (neither xorg nor gnome)?
12:44.03RydekullInd[y]: everything is found in the repositories :)
12:44.10RydekullInd[y]: not a need for a CD bigger then 5MB
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12:44.19Ind[y]pjota: How can I make a netinst without a cd?
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12:44.29Biffhi, i'm trying to set up nis, i did apt-get install nis, and added master in /etc/default/nis, and the hostname to /etc/ypserv.conf. however ypbind cannot start, and it logs rpc timed out to syslog
12:44.37pjotaInd[y], with 4 floppyes and a NIC
12:44.42Ind[y]pjota: :P
12:44.55pythonicInd[y]: do you have usb drive?
12:44.56Ind[y]pythonic: yes
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12:45.11Rydekullgoogle, debian install usb :)
12:45.14Ind[y]k
12:45.26pythonichttp://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en
12:45.36Rydekullpythonic: see, you spoil them!
12:45.52pjotaInd[y], I think teha easiest way is netinstalling If your network card is supported
12:46.10pythonicInd[y]: i386 eh?
12:46.16Ind[y]pjota: It is. I will try to perform one with a usb :-)
12:46.20Ind[y]pythonic: yep
12:46.29pythonichttp://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz
12:46.45pjotaInd[y], but, you don't have floppy drive?
12:46.48pythonicyou can get to that one from the first page i linked.
12:46.50Ind[y]pjota: no
12:47.32pjotaInd[y], oh! then try with usb drive. You can find all the info in debian webpage. With an easy way included
12:47.41Ind[y]Do the current weekly builds have a problem with key authenticating, now?
12:48.17abrotmanBiff: firewall? is rpc running on host/client ?
12:48.22scxwe have a list of trolls isn't it?
12:48.26scxI mean dpk
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12:48.39scxerr: dpkg   which one is ?
12:48.58Rydekull... what? :D
12:49.04Ind[y]So, do the current weekly builds have a problem with key authenticating, now?
12:49.12xandyou said that already
12:49.18Biffabrotman: this is on the server
12:49.20scxtere's a factoid that tells the undesired ones
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12:49.36abrotmanBiff: the debian box is the NIS server ?
12:49.40Biffabrotman: yup
12:49.46Biffwell, im trying to make it
12:49.47Biff:p
12:49.49MooiHello, how can one replace 'rows="1"' with 'rows="20"'in all files recursively?
12:49.58pythonicMooi: sed
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12:50.01Ramattackif you try to download debian testing image files with firefox... do they're size is 2097,2 MB instead of 4,4 gb it's said on it's download page?
12:50.07Ind[y]xand: So? Do they?
12:50.08abrotmanBiff: IIRC portmap is configured by default to only listen over localhost interface
12:50.25xandInd[y]: no idea.
12:50.26tralalaMooi, the fact that you have to do something like that suggests that your files need serious rethinking
12:50.39Ind[y]xand: k :P
12:50.42RydekullMooi: sed 's/rows=\"1\"/rows=\"20\"/g' <files>, learn sed, learn regexp, go read
12:50.43Mooitralala: and how did you assume that those files are mine?
12:50.46Biffabrotman: it seemed to be listening to all ports, i tried nmap -p 111 192.168.3.1 127.0.1.1 127.0.0.1, and they all said open
12:50.47Mooithanks Rydekull
12:51.04pythonicRydekull: and you say i spoil people :-)
12:51.17Rydekullpythonic: he still wont have a clue on how to save it
12:51.22Rydekullpythonic: unless he learns sed
12:51.25Mooidamn :LP
12:51.29pythonichaha :-)
12:51.41Rydekullpythonic: so I dont spoil them ;) I just help them on the way
12:51.52abrotmanBiff: and no firewall ?
12:52.06Ind[y]Where can I find a Debian developer in order to ask him if the current weekly builds have a problem with key authentication?
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12:52.39tralalaMooi, the keyword is "*rethinking*" not "your"
12:52.40abrotmanInd[y]: just try it and see .. or fix it after you've finished installing
12:52.52abrotmanInd[y]: or pass the installer option to ignore keys
12:53.17Biffabrotman: well, i have a firewall on the external interface, but it is configured to allow any traffic from localhost and the local network
12:53.20Ind[y]abrotman: The point is, that I want an installer that doesn't need these cind of fixes, in order to show a friend of mine how simple is linux installation.
12:53.30Ind[y]s/cind/kind
12:53.40abrotmanInd[y]: then wait until etch is released
12:53.59Ind[y]abrotman: you mean, as the stable branch?
12:54.02abrotmanyes
12:54.03Rydekullyes
12:54.17Mooifind ./ -type f -exec sed -i 's/rows=\"1\"/rows=\"20\"/g' {} \;
12:54.17Mooi=)
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12:54.40Ind[y]No, I just want a weekly build (the first cd only, in order to have gnome preinstalled), that works just fine.
12:54.46RydekullMooi: read the files again and look if they've been saved :)
12:54.51Mooithey have
12:54.52Mooi:]
12:55.03abrotmanInd[y]: when was hte last weekly build ?
12:55.05Ind[y]So, I would like to ask a Debian developer if they fixed this thing with key auth.
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12:55.14Ind[y]abrotman: no idea
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12:55.30Ind[y]I was hoping that you guys, in #debian, would know :P
12:55.35abrotmanInd[y]: thursday ..
12:55.57RydekullMooi: great :)
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12:56.28Ind[y]abrotman: I downloaded my (let's say "problematic") iso two days ago.
12:56.44Mooithx, Rydekull
12:56.48MooiI could've used google though ^^
12:56.48abrotmanInd[y]: but you don't know when it was built .. was it CD1 or the netinst ?
12:56.55RydekullMooi: course you could :)
12:56.59RydekullMooi: glad you realised it
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12:57.25abrotmanBiff: do the NIS docs in /usr/share/doc/ say anything useful ?
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12:57.47pythoniccan i use scp without encryption?
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12:57.56abrotmanthat's the point of scp
12:57.57Rydekullpythonic: ...
12:58.14Rydekullpythonic: look at r-tools, and dont use them
12:58.18pjotaInd[y], If you want show an easy Linux distro installation, try show an Ubuntu one.
12:58.23Rydekullpythonic: use scp, with encryption :)
12:59.01h3sp4wnInd[y]: there is an allow unauthenticated option to allow the install to finish but I forget the factoid name
12:59.16pythonici have an AuthenticAMD that can't cope with load (mtbf: 10 minutes), and i need to transfer files from it.
12:59.18abrotmanh3sp4wn: he said he didn't want such hackery
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12:59.52pythonicrtools it is then :-)
12:59.53h3sp4wnabrotman: ah
12:59.53Biffabrotman: havent checked, thanks for the tip
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13:00.06h3sp4wnInd[y]: Install with debootstrap then
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13:00.21Rydekullpythonic: *squints his eyes* You will be damned, cursed!
13:00.26abrotmanh3sp4wn: he's triyng to show his friend how easy it is to install linux :)
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13:00.50pythonicyeah, i'll be damned, but i'll still have my files :-)
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13:01.38Ind[y]h3sp4wn: install debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true
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13:01.52Ind[y]abrotman: cd1
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13:02.56Ind[y]abrotman: so? is is fixed?
13:03.04Ind[y]s/is/it
13:03.19abrotmanInd[y]: i just told you .. wait for etch to be released
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13:03.37pythonicInd[y]: or do you need it this year?
13:03.44abrotmanthat's not nice
13:03.56abrotmanthey're down to 83!
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13:04.12Rydekullabrotman: what? wait? Since when?
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13:04.20abrotmansince when what ?
13:04.29Rydekullabrotman: down to 83 bugs?
13:04.36abrotmaneh .. it was 81 yesterday :)
13:04.47pythonichttp://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
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13:05.22pythonicjudging by the last release it'll be four more months.
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13:06.12Ramattackbye folks thanks! I've update wget and it's done
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13:06.39Ind[y]pythonic: I need it today ;)
13:07.08abrotmanthen grab the build from today and use it
13:07.12abrotmanhope it works ...
13:07.20Rydekullabrotman: amazing, it wasnt that many days ago when I were on the page with much more left :)
13:07.23abrotmanor use the unauth thing to skip keys
13:07.29Biffabrotman: yes, that was quite useful ;)
13:07.32abrotmanRydekull: it had been floating around 100
13:07.32Ind[y]abrotman: A weekly one, you mean?
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13:07.36abrotmanBiff: really ?
13:07.43abrotmanInd[y]: either that or a daily netinst
13:07.52Ind[y]abrotman: hope it works ;-)
13:07.55Ind[y]abrotman: thx :)
13:07.58Biffabrotman: yup, it seems to have started now, ypwhich returns quickly (but says domain not bound)
13:08.02Ind[y]Thank you all, guys :-)
13:08.04pjotaInd[y], why don't you try Ubuntu?
13:08.18abrotmanBiff: NIS is "fun" .. why are you  using it ?
13:08.19Biffbut that is probably because i initialized the maps
13:08.24Ind[y]pjota: I had ubuntu, but I found it to be unstable.
13:08.52Rydekullgreat! use debian and dont listen to pesky people like pjota
13:08.55Biffabrotman: no reason in particular, i just want my home computers to have the same usernames and passwords
13:08.59Biffand the same home
13:09.01Ind[y]Rydekull: lol
13:09.11abrotmanBiff: you might want to look at ldap
13:09.18pjotaEtch isn't much stable, I think
13:09.18pythonickerberos
13:09.27Biffabrotman: yep, but that seems even harder then nis
13:09.27RydekullBiff: LDAP indeed
13:09.33Biff:p
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13:09.48RydekullBiff: you can get it working with many different OSes though
13:09.49Ind[y]pjota: It is. And it is more stable than ubuntu.
13:09.49abrotmanBiff: it's much more flexible
13:10.13pjotaInd[y], listen to Rydekull and go ahead with Debian. Ubuntu is for garnmas and kinds under 14
13:10.27Rydekullpjota: hooray! :)
13:10.32pjotagarmas -> grandmas
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13:10.42Ind[y]pjota: rofl :-D
13:10.43Rydekullpjota: what's garnmas then? ;)
13:10.45pythonicgentoo is for kids under 7.
13:10.49BiffRydekull: pfft, why would i need more then one operating system :P
13:10.54Ind[y]pythonic: no :P
13:11.09RydekullBiff: to learn more stuff? :)
13:11.14Biffi agree ldap is better, but last time i tried setting it up it took forever and i never got it working
13:11.30RydekullBiff: try again and succeed then? :)
13:11.30abrotmanBiff: you could also use LDAP for website authentication .. all kinds of fun stuff
13:12.08Ind[y]I am downloading this --> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso
13:12.22abrotmanwhy not use bittorrent ?
13:12.30Ind[y]I will burn it in a cd, and start my installation.
13:12.41Ind[y]abrotman: I generally don't use BitTorrent.
13:12.50abrotmanok
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13:13.09abrotmanmust be the only kid in the world that doesn't :)
13:13.24RydekullI rarely use it either :)
13:13.38pjotahe's the second one
13:13.42Rydekull:D
13:13.48RydekullRarely! I use it, just rarely :)
13:14.00BiffRydekull: no reason in particular, but i just want something simple at home
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13:14.21RydekullBiff: once you got it setup it's really good and simple
13:15.45pjotabye bye kids +14!
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13:16.25pjotaInd[y], hope you will success with your installation and kick out ubuntu from your hd
13:16.30BiffRydekull: does it work well with nfs?
13:16.37Ind[y]pjota: :-)
13:16.47Gardaanyone here familiar with kismet that could help me with kismet.conf
13:17.03Gardai don't know the syntax for the capture source entry
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13:17.18RydekullBiff: course
13:17.55RydekullGarda: i'd try #kismet
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13:19.00Rydekull!tell Garda about kismet
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13:19.16mictywhere is /etc/init.d/sshd?
13:19.32Rydekull/etc/init.d/ssh
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13:19.49kibahello
13:20.09kibaI want to access the experimental repoistory
13:20.36abrotmanno you don't
13:20.39Rydekull!tell kiba about experimental
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13:26.09kibaI stop the apt-get process in the middle of what it is doing
13:26.20kibaso it locked up some of my stuff
13:26.24kibahow to fix this?
13:26.49Rydekullkiba: was it regarding experimental?
13:27.03kibano
13:27.22Rydekullthen finish the apt-get process :)
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13:27.51SeicherlBoBHi! I got problems with my sshd. I tried to use authorized_keys for some good reasons. but my server still asks me for a password. The key is saved at the client in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and at the server in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys any ideas why its not working?
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13:28.19kibahow in the world do I do that? Rydekull
13:28.29RydekullSeicherlBoB: it isnt enabled in the sshd_config perhaps
13:28.57SeicherlBoBRydekull: I thought so, but i compared the config to the one of another server where the same key is working...
13:29.11kibasudo apt-get update doesn't work anymore
13:29.18RydekullSeicherlBoB: use ssh -vv and see what it says :)
13:29.25Rydekullkiba: because it says what? Paste in pastebin
13:29.33Rydekull!tell kiba about paste
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13:29.38Ind[y]SeicherlBoB: set "ChallengeResponseAuthentication no"
13:29.52norcI'm on debian etch, upgraded xorg to 7.1.0-12, but xrandr is not working anymore.
13:29.58norcDoes anyone else have this problem?
13:30.14Ind[y]SeicherlBoB: In .ssh file of your user.
13:30.38zophyother than cron, what program can i use that will perform a task at a specified time v?
13:30.38Ind[y]norc: Downgrade to the previous xorg release.
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13:30.53Ind[y]zophy: A scheduler.
13:30.57norcInd[y]: I'm not sure how to do this. Any documentation for that matter?
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13:31.10SeicherlBoBInd[y]: sorry. where should i set that option?
13:31.44Ind[y]SeicherlBoB: to the .css file in your user home directory
13:31.52Ind[y]sorry
13:31.53Ind[y].ssh
13:32.04norcOr how can I list the different versions of a specific packages, available in the repos?
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13:32.21Ind[y]SeicherlBoB: in the directory .ssh
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13:32.54SeicherlBoBInd[y]: yea. and which file in that directory?
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13:33.51Ind[y]In sshd_config set "RSAAuthentication yes" "
13:33.51Ind[y]PubkeyAuthentication yes
13:33.51Ind[y]" "AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys" "ChallengeResponseAuthentication no"
13:33.51Ind[y]without the ""
13:34.24SeicherlBoBInd[y]: why should i set the sshd_config at the client-computer?
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13:34.45Ind[y]SeicherlBoB: set it at the server computer
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13:36.10norcHow do I list all available versions of a specific package?
13:36.11abrotmanSeicherlBoB: sshd_config is for the daemon .. or the server
13:36.17abrotmannorc: apt-cache show
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13:36.23norcabrotman: ah thanks :)
13:36.42abrotmannorc: or packages.debian.org if you're wondering about other veresions  of debian
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13:36.59norcabrotman: I'm just trying to downgrade Xorg from 7.1 :)
13:37.04abrotmanwhy?
13:37.07abrotmanand to what ?
13:37.17SeicherlBoBInd[y]: ok.... great. now he tells me that i cant use public keys.
13:37.32norcabrotman: To any previous version, because xrandr doesn't work anymore
13:37.36norcand xrandr is essential for wine
13:37.42Ind[y]SeicherlBoB: ok. sorry but I can't help then :(
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13:37.57SeicherlBoBInd[y]: ChallengeResponseAutentication set to no disables it.
13:37.58abrotmannorc: wouldn't it be better to find out why?
13:38.09abrotmannorc: are you using binary ati/nvidia thingnies?
13:38.14norcabrotman: nvidia, yes.
13:38.44abrotmannorc: maybe you should ask #nvidia first
13:39.14SeicherlBoBRydekull: about the ssh thing: with -vv i get a l lot of stuff. can you help me out?
13:39.15tarzeauabrotman: when did you last play nethack? i'd love to watch you play it
13:39.26abrotmantarzeau: you're creepy
13:39.28RydekullSeicherlBoB: read through it, find why it dismisses the key
13:39.38Rydekullhaha
13:39.53Rydekulltarzeau: netris is much better
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13:40.00abrotmantarzeau: i haven't played in a while
13:40.02tarzeauRydekull: let's play ?
13:40.04Ind[y]SeicherlBoB: Try this, as the sshd_config --> http://www.deadbeefbabe.org/paste/3850
13:40.07Rydekulltarzeau: sure
13:40.14tarzeauabrotman: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/cavezofphear/ new!
13:40.25Rydekulltarzeau: got somewhere I can play against or should I portforward? :)
13:40.31Ind[y]SeicherlBoB: If it doesn't work, append ChallengeResponseAuthentication no
13:40.41tarzeauRydekull: i'm directly in the internet. i'll host teh game
13:41.16SeicherlBoBInd[y]: i got that already. Using ChallengeResponseAuth. no DISABLES the publickeys. as it says in the config-file
13:41.39Ind[y]SeicherlBoB: try to set it to yes
13:41.50tarzeauRydekull: try 80.219.77.95:27015
13:41.57SeicherlBoBInd[y]: thats what it is by default. not working
13:41.59pythonicfuck! another freeze.
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13:42.42streunertarzeau: why does someone *need* this http://gnu.ethz.ch/icons/MicrosoftWindows.png ?
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13:43.01oliebol!logurl
13:43.10pythonicwell, that's about it. ten years of linux. ten years of pissing around. i'm going back to windows.
13:43.14cezannehi, could anybody help me how to set my debian system back to qmail as default mta?
13:43.17scx!tell me g*d sake!
13:43.34scx!bad bot
13:43.35streunercezanne: use postfix or exim
13:43.35dpkg:(
13:43.43cezannestreuner: why?
13:43.59scxhttp://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison
13:44.04streunerif you don't even know how to set a MTA in debian, you shouldn't run qmail
13:44.04scxbecause of that
13:44.17scxqmail is too old
13:44.20Rydekulltarzeau: im not even going to comment
13:44.22cezanne:-) i guess you are right!
13:44.22Ind[y]There are some computers in my lan. The router, sees it's domain names, so, logically it could resolve them to their IPs. But, when I try to ping a hostname of another computer, the domain name resolution fails. Can I set the router to try to resolve names, to lan client IPs?
13:44.24scxread the link above
13:44.25Rydekulltarzeau: press n
13:44.32tarzeauRydekull: fun, but the stone randomacy sucks. one second
13:44.41Ind[y]* sees their domain names
13:44.57tarzeaustreuner: boot menu menu
13:45.01cezannei read that qmail is even no open source
13:45.16streuner!start a MTA war
13:45.17dpkgsendmail is a spam magnet
13:45.24streuner!qmail
13:45.25dpkgfrom memory, qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, ...
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13:46.43cezannethen i would prefer exim
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13:47.04scxexim for noobs, postfix fot the best
13:47.11tarzeauRydekull: damn i miss the view next stone...
13:47.21Rydekulltarzeau: hur, much better without it ;)
13:47.22scxwell, exim is pretty good tho
13:47.26tarzeauRydekull: again?
13:47.27Rydekulltarzeau: press n whenever :)
13:47.45tarzeauRydekull: netris is cool :) know gtetrinet?
13:48.01cezannewell, thank you for the compliments ;-)
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13:48.37cezannedoes exim have a nice feature for adding virtual mail users?
13:48.48Rydekull...
13:48.53scxthat reminds me I have the doubth setting up a pop3 server
13:49.18scxI am trying Cyrus but I'd like a comparission like in the lik I posted
13:49.31scxanyone knows about a lik like that
13:49.35scx?
13:49.45SeicherlBoBInd[y], Rydekull: Now i know. I read the auth.log and the problem was, that my home-directory had umask 777 => so the sshd doesnt allow keyfiles to be used cause they could be edited by someone else.
13:49.52streuner!info popa3d
13:50.01dpkgpopa3d: (A tiny POP3 daemon, designed with security as the primary goal), section mail, is extra. Version: 1.0.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
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13:50.22streunerscx: if you need a pure pop3 server and tiny, just use this ^^^
13:50.32Ind[y]SeicherlBoB: ;)
13:50.44scxok, but actually my main interest is security
13:51.29scxI'll try it anyways
13:51.29SeicherlBoBInd[y]: thats why it worked on one server but not on the other although the configs are indentical
13:51.29Ind[y]right
13:51.36SeicherlBoBbye guys
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13:51.52Rydekulltarzeau: this is great saturday activity
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13:52.52pythonicwhat loads kernel modules at boot?
13:53.18tarzeauRydekull: LOL
13:53.28tarzeauRydekull: enough :)
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13:53.34Rydekullmeh, then I wont win1
13:53.38Rydekull-1+!
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13:53.55tarzeauRydekull: do you play chess?
13:54.01Rydekulltarzeau: 5 more! first to 10 :) I just need 5 to get there ;)
13:54.07tarzeauRydekull: ok
13:54.13Entheogenhi, does anyone made ATI's proprietary driver to work on debian etch? i have radeon 9000?
13:54.13Rydekulltarzeau: err, best of 10 I mean
13:54.19Rydekulltarzeau: and, seldom that I play chess
13:54.39pythonici play russian roulette.
13:54.45liableEntheogen: arent those cards supported by the free driver?
13:54.47streuner!ati
13:54.47dpkgwant to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz  Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to.
13:55.21streunerEntheogen: laptop?
13:55.28Entheogenliable, yes its suported by dri driver but performance is bad
13:55.34Entheogenstreuner, nope.. home pc :)
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13:57.25Cianticwhat on earth does this mean: "E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_sarge-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages"
13:57.25liableEntheogen: i also recall support being pulled for those cards in latter fglrx drivers
13:57.35Rydekulltarzeau: I object, you have a clear lead
13:57.39Cianticmore specifically, I get this error: (while apt-get update) http://mureakuha.com/paste/?d4586518663e857115211a2baa060372
13:57.59Entheogenliable, yes i know.. i have driver that supports 9000 but apparently it doesn't support etch's xorg 7.1
13:58.08Entheogenso there's no way to get it work?
13:58.18liableEntheogen: looks like your kinda screwed then :(
13:58.22liableEntheogen: try #ati
13:58.29Entheogentryed..
13:58.29liableEntheogen: or the rage3d forum
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13:58.41Entheogenanyway.... how can I gain performance with dri drivers?
13:58.51tarzeauRydekull: :)
13:58.56Entheogeni have direct rendering enabled, but it is slow...
13:58.59Rydekulltarzeau: really, this is bothersome, I have to win now
13:58.59tarzeauRydekull: i've got smart fingers
13:59.09Rydekulltarzeau: I am used to winning
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13:59.46greek_hi everyone! i want to setup a small network in my soho by using debian server for my server and i want to use just smb for my other computers. should i setup debian on a vmware so i learn ssh and such?
14:00.09greek_Rydekull: hi again :P
14:00.44Rydekulltarzeau: better
14:00.47tarzeauRydekull: hehe , last one now
14:00.56pythonicgreek_: forget linux. it's a waste of time.
14:00.58pythonicbye bye.
14:01.04greek_lol
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14:01.12kibahttp://pastie.caboo.se/44429
14:01.52greek_Rydekull: can you help me a little bit? can i use debian in vmware as a server for my other pc's?
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14:02.30scxgreek_: sure you can
14:02.54scxXen would perform better though
14:03.19kibacan anybody help me?
14:03.20greek_scx: i just want to do it so i can learn, and then set it up on a real box
14:03.24Rydekullgreek_: yes
14:04.09greek_so i will set it up on vmware as it was on a real server?
14:04.36greek_will i be practically able to do everything as it was a real server?
14:04.45Ind[y]In the iso am  installing, I don't need to do anything to configure the video card. Right?
14:04.48scxgreek_: maybe this will respond: I have in my VMware---> Mac Tiger, Suse, Debian Sid, FrebSD, like 5 WinXP and Vista
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14:05.02kibahttp://pastie.caboo.se/44429
14:05.03scxgreek_: in short: sure
14:05.10greek_cool :)
14:05.35scxah, and Ubunto and solaris too
14:06.10Rydekulltarzeau: that was just... bad luck
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14:06.40tarzeauRydekull: :)
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14:06.40Rydekulltarzeau: but, I bow down, you did win
14:06.41tarzeauRydekull: thanks, was fun
14:06.41Ind[y]In the weekly release I don't need to do anything for the graphics card. Is that right?
14:06.43mictyI did ssh -v, and then the pause is after ,debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received, and before: debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
14:06.45Rydekulltarzeau: was indeed, have to do it again :)
14:07.03tarzeauRydekull: do you know bub-n-bros.sf.net ?
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14:07.16mictyand then it tries pubblic key, and then only password
14:07.29mictyso the delay is from the public key, I think
14:07.35tarzeauRydekull: is so much fun: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/bubtoomuch2full.png
14:07.38mictyis there a way to make it not try public key?
14:08.25liablemicty: man sshd_config
14:08.49Rydekulltarzeau: it feels... crazy
14:08.59kibaheeeeeeeeeelp?
14:09.22tarzeauRydekull: it's crazily funny, #bub-n-bros
14:09.41Rydekullkiba: you didnt paste it all in there
14:09.54Rydekulltarzeau: Never played bubble bobble much though
14:10.21tarzeauRydekull: this is with up to 10 dragons! and with lots of extra levels and items. and teamplay mode!
14:10.29Rydekulltarzeau: sounds scary :D
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14:10.38kibahttp://pastie.caboo.se/44429
14:10.47tarzeauRydekull: did you download it already? :)
14:10.56Rydekullkiba: you didnt paste it all in there
14:10.57kibaI did paste it several time
14:10.59Rydekulltarzeau: no
14:11.17kibaTHAT IS ALL!
14:11.33Rydekullkiba: no, I miss your command, and the line where you get to type again, and everything inbetween
14:11.40kibasudo apt-get update
14:11.44kibathat is the only other thing
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14:12.28CianticHow do I flush apt configurations?
14:12.59Rydekullkiba: then close all the other administration tools you currently have open
14:13.18RydekullCiantic: define "apt configurations"
14:14.24kibathat is why it is telling me these error
14:14.26Rydekullkiba: type fg
14:14.37scxhow you search factoids with dpkg ?
14:14.43Rydekulllistkeys
14:14.46kibathanks
14:14.56scxlike search etch ---> all the factoids related to etch
14:15.10Rydekull!tell scx about listkeys
14:15.13kibahmm
14:15.21CianticRydekull, I "ran out of room with MMAP" and now I'll googled for it and the answer is to increase APT::Cache-Limit setting, I added it but I still run out of room, either it is too small or my configuration changes didn't take place
14:15.29kibaI wonder what is the URL of the experimental repoisitory
14:15.45tarzeau!experimental
14:15.46dpkgexperimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
14:15.54scxRydekull: thanks
14:15.55Rydekullkiba: pay attention to the encapsulated line
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14:16.32CianticRydekull, it was too small ^^, now it works
14:16.41RydekullCiantic: grats
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14:18.04scxok. I bet 2 buck for Etch to be released in... April
14:18.53tarzeauRydekull: do you want to watch me play nethack?
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14:19.04Rydekulltarzeau: I really dont :)
14:19.05tarzeauRydekull: tried the games: kq, supertransball2, brutalchess yet?
14:19.08MarcoPauhow do I undo all give iptables rules (from shell)?
14:19.23tarzeauMarcoPau: iptables -F ?|
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14:19.35Rydekulltarzeau: neither
14:19.40liableand -Z iirc
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14:20.10Kevin`MarcoPau tarzeau answered the question, but you might want to look into iptables-save and iptables-restore for managing lots of rules
14:20.38tarzeaukiba: with apt-get install
14:20.49Ciantickiba, add them first to sources.list so you can see 'em
14:20.53MarcoPauKevin`: ok, thanks :)
14:20.57Rydekull!tell kiba about experimental
14:21.02tarzeaukiba: you just add this source deb ftp://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/ experimental main
14:21.04kibaI did
14:21.11kibaoh
14:21.14tarzeaukiba: you want the special gnuplot 4.2?
14:21.14Ciantickiba, did you also "apt-get update"
14:21.15Rydekullkiba: im going to keep on doing that until you get it that you dont use experimental unless you actually know how to use it
14:21.26mictywell it didn't help turning publickey authentication. Still hang a bit after debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent; debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
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14:21.43liablemicty: did you restart sshd?
14:21.48kibaRydekull: The latest stable version of wesnoth is there
14:21.56Rydekullkiba: I dont mean to offend you, but if you dont know how to handle apt, dont use experimental
14:21.56kiba1.2.1 is an OLD stable release
14:22.06mictyliable: Yes and I ssh -v and seen that pubkey is not atempted
14:22.20Rydekullkiba: wait for it to get into unstable then? There is a reason as to why it isnt currently
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14:23.13kibaRydekull: I just want the latest stable release of wesnoth!
14:23.34liablekiba: so compile it and put it in /usr/local
14:23.35tarzeaukiba: it's not on backports?
14:24.15tarzeaukiba: this might be useful to do easy backport: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/abp/abp
14:24.38Rydekullkiba: patience is a virtue
14:24.56tarzeauRydekull: sometimes you really need a newer version of a package, that debian doesn't have
14:25.04tarzeauRydekull: or software that debian doesn't have at all
14:25.08tarzeauRydekull: it's rare, but it happens
14:25.13Rydekulltarzeau: then you compile it :)
14:25.21kibait is in experimental
14:25.21tarzeauRydekull: i make packages and try to get them into debian :)
14:25.26Rydekulltarzeau: and start using their cvs/svn-versions :)
14:25.27kibaI don't know why it is in experimental
14:25.42tarzeauRydekull: not all softare have cvs or svn
14:25.44Rydekull!tell kiba about experimental
14:25.46kibait is a stable release! Not a development version
14:25.47Rydekullkiba: read that again :)
14:25.51tarzeauRydekull: and some are not public
14:25.52Rydekulltarzeau: but all have a developer :)
14:26.11tarzeaukiba: the freeze
14:26.35tarzeaukiba: people were asked to upload updated stuff to experimental to make release manager life easier
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14:26.36Ny-Tyi have problem :-)
14:26.38Ny-Tyi have notebook
14:26.45Ny-Tyhe dont have any network interface
14:26.53Ny-Tyi have usb wifi
14:26.56Ny-Tybut usb dont works :-)
14:27.03Rydekulltarzeau: kq mentions final fantasy in the description, not good in other words :)
14:27.07tarzeauNy-Ty: which kernel?
14:27.15Ny-Ty2.4
14:27.19tarzeauRydekull: i loved it, just like i did mystic quest (on snes)
14:27.20Rydekullget 2.6
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14:27.58Ny-Tyhow
14:27.59Ny-Ty:D
14:28.02Ny-Tyi dont have internet
14:28.07Ny-Tyi have 2.6.8 there
14:28.08amphiheh
14:28.10Ny-Tybut he dont work :D
14:28.19tarzeauNy-Ty: is very old
14:28.34wols_!doesn't work
14:28.34dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
14:28.47Rydekullhere, synaptic has a nice function
14:28.52RydekullNy-Ty: got another computer with debian?
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14:30.13RydekullNy-Ty: err, or you could just connect it with a cable instead?
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14:30.50ribasushihi
14:31.05tarzeauwak wak
14:31.16xandQUACK QUACK
14:31.19Ny-Tyhmm
14:31.20Ny-Tycool :D
14:31.25Ny-Tyi lost root password too
14:31.25Ny-Ty:D
14:31.27Ny-TyxDDDD
14:31.29ribasushiI am lookign for a way to determine where the mailspool is located
14:31.45ribasushicurrently it is in login.defs but there is a large disclaimer that it will go away
14:31.50tarzeauribasushi: /var/spool/ ?
14:31.57ribasushiis there another (maybe even distro protable) place?
14:32.10wols_ribasushi: no
14:32.17RydekullNy-Ty: reboot, edit grub-line or lilo, make it say init=/bin/sh at the end of line, when booted, mount -o remount,rw /, passwd root, change it, reboot
14:32.32ribasushitarzeau: see it actually isn't there on debian :))
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14:33.00ribasushiwols_: so my best bet is to look in login.defs for now then?
14:33.00tarzeauribasushi: it is for me
14:33.05wols_<PROTECTED>
14:33.09Ny-Tyhmm
14:33.10Ny-Tyokay
14:33.11Ny-Tythx
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14:33.29maddashwhat does `su -c 'cat /dev/console'` supposed to do?
14:33.40wols_tarzeau: what kind of mailstorage?
14:33.55Rydekullmaddash: cat /dev/console as root?
14:33.57maddashi tried it out, and it camped every keystroke i made
14:34.07tarzeauwols_: exim
14:34.10wols_camped?
14:34.11maddashRydekull: yes. i cannot access /dev/console w/o root
14:34.22tarzeauwols_: 3.x
14:34.36wols_tarzeau: exim is no storage
14:34.49tarzeauwols_: wait it's a symlink to /var/mail...
14:34.51Rydekullmaddash: define camped :)
14:34.55wols_exim is only tge NTA
14:34.56wols_MTA
14:34.59ribasushitarzeau: realllyyyy :)
14:35.08tarzeauwols_: ah, then i have no idea and continue playing nethack :)
14:35.27maddashwols_: the console that i catted /dev/console sucked in every keystroke i made - and sending sigint didn't kill off the cat command
14:35.36maddashRydekull: for you too ^^
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14:36.16scxDo you think Etch MIGHT be released before June?
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14:36.28Rydekullscx: if you go and fix the bugs, yes
14:36.30scxor maybe more
14:36.38scx:)
14:36.44xandetch will be released in december 2006 CE
14:36.50tarzeauxand: heh
14:37.05scxDec 07 ?
14:37.06tarzeauscx: yes, look at dunc-bank.zoy.org
14:37.15tarzeauscx: much sooner
14:37.29wols_scx: no. dec 06
14:37.45xandscx: no
14:37.47tarzeaua few more weeks, maximum. even though rc2 isn't out yet of d-i
14:37.53ciopetch already released
14:37.57ciopon testing :/
14:37.59xandciop: no
14:38.09abrotmanciop: that's not a release
14:38.25ciopyes, but has version number
14:38.28xandhttp://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060724
14:38.39abrotmanciop: so what?
14:38.49xandscx: "The Debian project confirms December 2006 as the date for the next release of its distribution which will be named Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 alias 'etch'."
14:38.55ciopnvm
14:39.30xandOMG
14:39.32ciopwhats the next testing code name?
14:39.35abrotmanlenny
14:39.39scxwell, the last time I saw it was 2007
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14:39.53tarzeauabrotman: what was lenny again?
14:40.05abrotmanbinoculars
14:40.38tarzeauabrotman: haha i can think of some fun banners for lenny then
14:40.47scxwhat kde comes btw ?
14:40.58abrotmanscx: packages.debian.org
14:41.01maddashhow do i generate a beep on the console?
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14:41.09tarzeauabrotman: them http://www.fantasiescometrue.com/FF/FFIMAGES/binocffz.jpg ?
14:41.09scxyah, I know...
14:41.11abrotmanmaddash: ctrl-g
14:41.14abrotman!beep
14:41.15dpkg[beep] /exec -o echo -ne "\007".  A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port
14:41.22scx<PROTECTED>
14:42.08scxor just beep
14:43.10cbrwhen will etch finally be released?
14:43.16abrotman!wwer
14:43.16dpkgEtch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen.  For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html
14:43.23cbrit's been at the edge of release for like 2 months at least
14:43.26tarzeaucbr: very soon, check the curve at dunc-bank.zoy.org
14:43.52abrotmantarzeau: how about bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ ?
14:44.02tarzeauabrotman: that's linked to also from the url i gave
14:44.09abrotmani'm sure it is ..
14:44.39scxactually WIR is the thing that I most like about Debian just wanted to know an aproximante
14:44.54abrotmanscx: there are 83 RC bugs still standing
14:45.08cbrand when it hits 80, then release?
14:45.10tarzeauscx: and an rc2 release
14:45.21tarzeauscx: no, rc2 of d-i must come out with the right kernel first
14:45.22scxI see an r5
14:45.29tarzeauscx: and it need be tested, like a week or two
14:45.37abrotmanscx: r5 is for sarge .. 3.1r5
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14:45.40tarzeauscx: that's the current stable release with the latest security updates
14:45.41BiffRydekull: ldap was just as hard :P
14:45.45slawsonWhat's the line to enable aiglx in xorg?
14:45.46abrotmanhehe
14:45.51abrotman!aiglx
14:45.51dpkgaiglx is probably an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. ...
14:45.54abrotmanbah ...
14:46.03RydekullBiff: I told you, once you get it up and working it's easy :)
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14:46.14BiffRydekull: yes, obviously
14:46.22Biffbut i dont know much about debugging it
14:46.26abrotmanslawson: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
14:46.29scxbut it is not 4.0
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14:46.33RydekullBiff: openldap.org has lots
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14:46.41Biffldapsearch finds the user, but when i try logging it doesnt
14:46.58scxtarzeau: and in dialup it would be a real pain to distupgrade
14:46.58harkslawson: it should be enabled by default..
14:47.17tarzeauscx: not really if you have time
14:47.18abrotmanhark: unless you installed a while ago
14:47.30harkoh
14:47.32scxtarzeau: looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooots of time
14:47.35samuki am trying to mount a fat32 formatted usb device on etch. It appears on the desktop but udev does not mount it correctly. this is var/log/messages http://pastebin.ca/379813 could someone tell me what to put in fstab please?
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14:47.49tarzeauscx: so? better than switching cd media
14:47.55tarzeauscx: which are sooooooooooo old anyways
14:47.57scxnot in dial
14:48.05tarzeauscx: yes imho
14:48.12scxbesides I use isos' :)
14:48.48Rydekullsamuk: sdb1 is the device
14:48.57Rydekull!tell samuk about fstab
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14:50.11samukthanks Rydekull, i have tried entering a line in fstab but i keep getting the syntax wrong.. should this device be usb0 ?
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14:51.08samukthis is what i have come up with so far : /dev/sdb1       /media/usb0      vfat   user,noauto, uid=        0       0
14:51.37Rydekullsamuk: /media/usb0 isnt a device, it's a mountpoint
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14:52.27samukso what should i put instead please?
14:52.31Rydekullsamuk: else, there is a package named usbmount :)
14:52.45samuktried that.. did not work
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14:53.32abrotman!tell samiam about vfatrw
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14:54.47samuk! vfatrw
14:54.47dpkgTo get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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14:55.50tarzeauabrotman: you think we'll ever have a Debian Stinky release?
14:56.00Rydekullhaha
14:56.44abrotmantarzeau: what's the character's full name ?
14:56.48cahootexperimental?
14:56.54abrotmanStinky pseubodot  ?
14:56.56tarzeauabrotman: Stinky Pete the Prospector
14:57.12abrotmantarzeau: maybe a Pete release
14:57.12ciopoh i tough lenny is someones name here
14:57.20Rydekull!tell cahoot about experimental
14:57.20abrotman!release history
14:57.22dpkgDebian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06).  The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>.
14:57.24tarzeauabrotman: i would call it Stinky
14:57.38abrotmantarzeau: you also write offensive emails to people that file bugs
14:57.46Rydekullabrotman: when did we have Pete?
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14:57.59dav___elo
14:58.10tarzeauRydekull: never imho
14:58.11abrotmanRydekull: we didn't .. Stinky Pete is part of Toy Story 2 .. they're still getting names from TS1
14:58.19Rydekullabrotman: true
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14:58.51dav___there is something strange :) i have load a driver with ndiswrapper, and now at boot the driver is loaded (ndiswrpapper -l) but i can't find that entry in any /etc/ files someone know where is it writed
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14:59.30Rydekullabrotman: that made me curious, offensive mails to people that file bugs?
14:59.36samu1damn machine crashed
14:59.38Rydekulltarzeau: sounds like you got something to tell that i've missed
14:59.39Biffdo i need to restart anything after updating the /etc/pam.d files?
14:59.43samu1! vfat
14:59.44dpkgi guess vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw", or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it.
14:59.55Rydekull!tell samu1 about vfatrw
15:00.02tarzeauRydekull: nah, abrotman is just being an idiot
15:00.03abrotman!tell samu1 about msg the bot
15:00.12abrotmantarzeau: you're the one that wrote the email
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15:00.15jan_Are there any debian packages for snort-inline ?
15:00.28Rydekullit really sounds like something fun i've missed :)
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15:01.53Rydekulltarzeau: so tell me what it was about? :)
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15:02.49harki enjoyed the 'swallow' one ;)
15:03.12greek_Rydekull: sorry to be a pain, i'm at the installation screen now where it prompts me to decide what things i need.. (print server, web server etc.. ) in order to have my file server do i have to select file server and print server?
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15:03.55abrotmanRydekull: http://bugs.debian.org/270877
15:05.40DeliPenguenhow can i install glibc2.4 on etch?
15:05.47abrotmanDeliPenguen: you don't want to
15:05.53tarzeauDeliPenguen: slm
15:06.03DeliPenguentarzeau, selam.
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15:06.27DeliPengueni don't want what?
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15:06.42Rydekulltarzeau: right, just one question, why? Bad day?
15:06.43tarzeauDeliPenguen: abrotman said that
15:06.49Rydekullabrotman: thanks :)
15:07.17tarzeauRydekull: no, it really was meant to be funny, but it sucked. pity i can't wipe it.
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15:07.31Rydekullgreek_: why are you asking me? :) Anyways, I wouldnt use that at all. but I'd assume file server would give you samba, so i'd go for that, If you need a print server select that too?
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15:07.38abrotmantarzeau: you could close the bug!
15:07.58tarzeauabrotman: the bug report is valid. i won't close bugs that are not solved
15:08.01Gardawho is Girkin
15:08.03Rydekulltarzeau: Heh, guess the joke swallowed you up :)
15:08.05Gardawhat a dick
15:08.11RydekullGarda: tarzeau :)
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15:08.40tarzeauGarda: Head of GNAA
15:09.15tarzeauanyone know a filter or tool to make photos like this sharper easily? http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/fosdem2007/slides/img_5108.html
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15:09.53abrotmantarzeau: maybe the stuff in gimp
15:10.06asgtarzeau: ImageMagick perhaps
15:10.08cahootunsharp mask
15:10.26tarzeauasg, abrotman can you be more like, start tool, click a, b, c, d. profit.
15:10.34abrotmangimp
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15:11.04tarzeauabrotman: give me a photo of you and i'll gimp-modify it for fun
15:11.16abrotmantarzeau: you've seen them
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15:12.24cahootfilters -> enhance -> unsharp mask
15:12.55samukthis seems like progress.. I now get mount: only root can mount /dev/sdb1 on /mount/point   what should /mount/point be for a user??
15:13.22Rydekullsamuk: only root uses mount :)
15:13.43h3sp4wnsamuk: You would use pmount
15:13.48h3sp4wns/would/could
15:14.13h3sp4wn!pmount
15:14.13dpkgi guess pmount is an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as usb flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, pmount /dev/sda1 mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount).
15:14.30abrotmanivman might be useful
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15:15.22tarzeaucahoot: thanks, trying
15:17.20samukI think i have my fstab entry incorrect.. currently I have:  /dev/sdb1    /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=1001,gid=1001,umask=002 0 0      what should i replace /mount/point with please?
15:17.47Rydekullthe mountpoint
15:17.48abrotmanwhereever you want it
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15:17.58samuk/home ?
15:17.59abrotmanmine is /camera/ since that's what i use the most
15:18.07Rydekullsamuk: i'd say /home is already busy
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15:18.41abrotmansamuk: try /media/usbdrive/
15:18.45Rydekullabrotman: Isnt FHS your bible?
15:18.50abrotmansamuk: you'll have to create it first
15:18.59geo-rgeand it's not debian's either
15:19.06abrotmanRydekull: i still forget sometimes that /cdrom is gone :)
15:19.11cahoottarzeau: don't expect CSI                            results;)
15:19.12Rydekullabrotman: hehe
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15:19.39tarzeau!CSI
15:19.43abrotmancahoot: really                   ..         why is that?
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15:20.05tarzeaucahoot: it works kinda, but doesn't get crystal crips clear like whens making photos without shaking while recording
15:20.15geo-rge+
15:20.24abrotmantarzeau: it never will .. unless you ask the CIA to do it
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15:20.41cahoottarzeau: if one overdoes it it gets really strange
15:20.58samukmkdir /media/usbdrive ?
15:21.05abrotmansure
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15:23.15Gryflhasehiho
15:23.19samukYay! thanks for the help guys
15:23.39abrotmanall done ?
15:24.34Rydekullsamuk: good work
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15:26.07piper69good morning everyone
15:26.19abrotmanwas until you showed up
15:26.24samuksam sits back to enjoy the 250gig of movies he just copied off a mate :)
15:26.42piper69abrotman: thats F***k up
15:26.48abrotmanhehe
15:26.51piper69lol
15:26.56piper69ok
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15:27.59piper69i updated to debian 4 with kernel -($unamr -r), but when i boot the system it will wait for mre to log in at the tty
15:28.05Tallusamuk: shame on you!
15:28.24abrotmanpiper69: eh ?
15:28.38harkpiper69: you want a gui login?
15:29.07piper69hark: yea, i want to use gnome
15:29.12harkheh
15:29.19abrotman!hark++
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15:29.30hark!karma hark
15:29.31dpkghark has karma of 1
15:29.35Rydekullaww
15:29.39abrotmanoh .. your first karma .. how cute
15:29.47Rydekull!karma abrotman
15:29.48dpkgabrotman has karma of 27
15:29.51Rydekullamazing
15:29.56abrotman!karma bob2
15:29.56dpkgbob2 has karma of 1
15:29.59piper69what is karma
15:30.00abrotmanwait ..
15:30.06abrotman!karma greycat
15:30.06dpkggreycat has karma of 48
15:30.11Rydekullhah
15:30.14abrotmani think someone else has more
15:30.33piper69abrotman: damn he beat you A55
15:30.35cahootkawfee?
15:30.38piper69hahahah
15:30.39abrotmanhehe
15:30.49abrotmanpiper69: greycat should .. he knows a lot more than i do
15:31.09abrotmannot like that's a hard thing to accomplish
15:31.11piper69abrotman: f**k then he is the choosen one
15:31.16tarzeau!karma tarzeau
15:31.16dpkgtarzeau has karma of 7
15:31.17piper69ahahahhah
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15:31.31tarzeauabrotman: wtf, where did you steal so much karma from?
15:31.39abrotmantarzeau: people actually like me ..
15:31.41abrotman:)
15:31.41piper69!karma piper69
15:31.42tarzeauand wasn't karma disabled quite some time ago?
15:31.42dpkgpiper69 has neutral karma
15:31.47abrotmantarzeau: it was ..
15:31.48piper69lol
15:31.50Rydekulltarzeau: he topped of some of greycat ;)
15:31.58tarzeauRydekull: unbelievable
15:32.00Gryflhasepiper: if you want a praphical login, look after a displaymanager like gdm
15:32.05tarzeauRydekull: have you checked !debstats yet?
15:32.12tarzeauRydekull: and do you run popularity-contest?
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15:33.03TalluI wonder if someone has a lot of bad karma. ;)
15:33.16tarzeauTallu: in here? like negative?
15:33.22Talluhehe yeah
15:33.31tarzeaupeople that maintain debian packages have karma too: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/
15:34.30itchiwooooaaa, i'm on possition 27 :-p
15:34.44tarzeauitchi: on debstats?
15:34.49itchitarzeau: Yup
15:34.52piper69abrotman: how can i get karma...should i apt-get install karma.......... just f****king with you
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15:35.06itchiabrotman: What's happend, you lost the first place :-s
15:35.07abrotmanyou could stop saying f**k and just say fuck
15:35.31abrotmanitchi: it's easy when you go on for hours and it's all OT
15:35.34Rydekullor stop saying fuck at all :)
15:35.41itchiabrotman: Yup, sure
15:35.49Rydekulltarzeau: now i've checked the debstats :)
15:35.52piper69itchi: he is lazy
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15:36.00piper69and a mean son of...
15:36.07piper69hahahahahahahh
15:36.11itchiI have a allusions to the one on the first place
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15:36.42tarzeau!qotd0
15:36.43dpkgi heard qotd32 is <Sarvok> So i've just typed "dpkg-reconfigure kevix's" and it's the same thing : the bash have a line started with ">" and that all !
15:37.12Rydekullheh
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15:38.38piper69okay i did startx and it started kde , but i really want kdm
15:38.40tarzeauRydekull: debian maintainer photos ? http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/photos/
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15:39.11Rydekulltarzeau: hah, fun site :)
15:40.03harkpiper69: install it then
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15:41.17Ramattackhi folks
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15:41.36itchihark: he, i still got a message about my UPS haha
15:41.37Neeesat25Hello
15:41.41tarzeauwak wak
15:41.42itchihark: Just one :-s
15:41.45RamattackWhich could be the explanation of saying : "Till the system can't open decriptors"
15:41.54Ramattackwhat exactly are decriptors?
15:42.03tarzeauRamattack: file descriptors?
15:42.06Neeesat25How you run a program that runs in X-windows from command line terminal?
15:42.09itchihark: I think i got lesser messages now, i gona count
15:42.09tarzeauRamattack: what are you trying to do?
15:42.10harkitchi: hmm, what does cat /proc/sys/kernel/printk say?
15:42.12RamattackI've seen various definitions but don't know how much types of descriptors are
15:42.19Ramattacknothing concrect
15:42.25itchihark: 7       4       1       7
15:42.25tarzeauNeeesat25: start xterm, then type the command name?
15:42.29Ramattackonly wanted to understand what a descriptor is
15:42.43harkitchi: yeah, that 7 is bad ;)
15:42.51Ramattackgoogling I've seen varios kinds of descritors
15:42.52tarzeauRamattack: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_descriptor
15:43.03itchihark: I have not change somethings :-s
15:43.05Ramattackare only file descriptors?
15:43.10itchiRed magie
15:43.15Ramattackthat was the reason I asked....
15:43.16tarzeauRamattack: you can read more about them in section 2 of manpages-dev
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15:43.24harkitchi: i fixed it today by setting it in /etc/default/klogd
15:43.30tarzeauerr 3
15:43.37Harzileinhmm
15:43.38Rydekullhark: I am curious, why is the '7' bad? :)
15:43.40tarzeauwell both
15:43.42piper69hark: how to install it please
15:43.44Ramattackyep but then are more than 1 kind of decriptor?
15:43.47Harzileinhow can i get a list of topics the bot supports?
15:43.57tarzeauRamattack: i can't think of others
15:44.02harkRydekull: that's the console logging level, iirc
15:44.07tarzeauHarzilein: /msg dpkg help
15:44.12Ramattackone then gone to read wikipedia....
15:44.15Ramattackone moment....
15:44.18itchihark: Set it to so   KLOGD="-x -c 2"  ?
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15:44.44harkKLOGD="-k /boot/System.map-$(uname -r) -c 3"
15:45.22Harzileintarzeau: thx
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15:45.42piper69what is the defaul that comes with etch is it kdm or gnome or kde
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15:45.45Harzileinbut looks like i can't find the entry. it was about the numeric version numbers corresponding to code names
15:45.45itchihark: Okay, i have a papper, attention i count he ;-)
15:46.24harki did reboot because of battery problems, but it's set at 3 mow. overrides the sysctl one too. So far no messages :)
15:46.38harkpiper69: there is no default
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15:47.30itchihark: I got one i saw, so it was already many better
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15:48.01_torben1hi everybody
15:48.04piper69hark: i did apt-get install kdm and after download i get debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde
15:48.05_torben1anyone here with xen experience?
15:48.12Harzileinthat'd be cool, especially if ubuntu doesn't ship xubuntu as pressed cd before etch gets released
15:48.28piper69_torben1: abrotman is ;)
15:48.39abrotmanwtf
15:48.43_torben1abrotman: hi there, you're awake?
15:48.47_torben1;_)
15:49.20Rydekullabrotman: you're getting sidewinged, or whatever it's called ;)
15:49.26abrotmanharrassed :)
15:49.32_torben1:-)
15:50.11_torben1actually, i probably just need a small hint, as my whole xen setup was working until i made the error trying to mess around with the package (accidentially installed some -unstable ones, after removing them again the vms stopt working)
15:50.18xandwhy hello
15:50.23_torben1basically i have more-or-less standard HVM driven guests
15:50.29_torben1when i try to start them i end up with:
15:50.37_torben1babylon:/etc/xen# xm create ipcop
15:50.37_torben1Using config file "ipcop".
15:50.37_torben1Error: Device 0 (vif) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working.
15:50.42piper69abrotman: hahahahah
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15:50.46suppamanhello
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15:51.06_torben1has anyone seen this error before and can give me an hint what i broke here?
15:51.14_torben1i'm really desperate...
15:51.32piper69_torben1: abrotman is
15:51.35dual-manhey guys, i must have installed two different version of postfix by mistake, is that a quickfix for this, i can't seem to get rid of one or the other
15:51.47abrotmanpiper69: stop
15:51.48Rydekulltarzeau: 1. dont like chess in 3d. 2. that superball-thingie thingie was bad
15:51.56piper69or what?
15:52.00piper69lol
15:52.11Rydekulltarzeau: plus, the rules they used in the 3d-chess arent correct!
15:52.55harkpiper69: that's ok.. reconfiguring debonf will fix that. but just run /etc/init.d/kdm restart
15:53.01Rydekull!tell _torben1 about xen
15:53.19_torben1Rydekull: thanks
15:53.50tarzeauRydekull: you mean a bug with the pawn?
15:53.58piper69hark: kdm not running (/var/run/kdm.pid not found).
15:54.09harker, start
15:54.21Rydekulltarzeau: no, how the ... pawn? took my pawn, when it stood next to it, while it only should 'take' them in a diagonal way
15:55.02tarzeauRydekull: what about mazeofgalious , pathogen, briquolo, antigravitaattori
15:55.15Ny-Tyhow to do line in html ?
15:55.19Rydekulltarzeau: you play too many games
15:55.21assasukassehi everyone, i compiled gaim beta 6 from sources on etch, now i want to give a dist-up and it wants to install me again beta5, how do i set up to prevent that?
15:55.34itchihark: The weird thing it; if i unplug the UPS usb cable, i no more get these sad messages. Just got one this night :-s
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15:55.36Ny-Typlease
15:55.38Ny-Tyhow to
15:55.42Rydekulltarzeau: netris suffice, when have you made a deb out of bug-n-bros?
15:55.44xandNy-Ty: what?
15:55.44tarzeauRydekull: www.mtp-target.org is fun too!
15:55.50Ny-Tyline in html
15:55.52tarzeauRydekull: never. it's python
15:55.52Ny-Tyor border
15:56.01Ny-Ty<PROTECTED>
15:56.04xandNy-Ty: ask the right channel
15:56.05Rydekulltarzeau: too bad i'll never play it then ;)
15:56.06Ny-Tyh,,
15:56.09harkitchi: yes, it's the logging levels afaik.. moment
15:56.10Ny-Tyyou dont know html ?
15:56.12tarzeauRydekull: if you find a sponsor who doesn't think the graphics are non-free, i'll make it though
15:56.19xandNy-Ty: I do, but that's not hte point... this is #debian
15:56.22tarzeauRydekull: download, unpack and run?
15:56.42harkitchi: http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~jrb/ui/linux/driver4.txt
15:56.46tarzeauRydekull: wrong? http://www.conservativebookstore.com/chess/pawns.htm
15:56.54itchihark: No problem, i need to reportbug that little description error there in the dazuko-source
15:57.00harkitchi: see the #defines
15:57.01Biffok, if i remove users from shadow i can still login (so ldap seems to work)
15:57.02Rydekulltarzeau: Make a unofficial package then? :)
15:57.13tarzeauRydekull: nah. well i have them, let me find the repo
15:57.19Biffbut if i remove them from passwd and group it cannot map the uid/gid<->name
15:57.22itchihark: hhhmm
15:57.31kiba/leave
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15:57.41xandhow rude
15:57.54harkif that is what the numbers stand for..
15:57.57tarzeauRydekull: do you know opencubicplayer or links2 ?
15:58.04Rydekulltarzeau: later, yes
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15:58.19DunedanDoes somebody know if and how it is possible to refresh the config of an apache 2.2 server without restarting it?
15:58.21Rydekulltarzeau: anyways, yes, the pawn moved incorrectly
15:58.30tarzeauRydekull: here's some stuff: http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/bubnbros/
15:58.34Rydekulltarzeau: the pieces were right next to eachother
15:58.52tarzeauRydekull: then you should file a bug report with screenshots of the wrong movement?
15:58.53harkRydekull: sure the 3d did not confuse you ;)
15:59.12Rydekullhark: I was starting to think that, but I looked twice just then to be sure of it
15:59.38harkheh, that's brutal
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16:02.08Rydekullwhat fun, it was reproducable
16:03.00Rydekulltarzeau: the game plays the same move all the time aswell, if you play them the same that is.
16:03.34Ramattackok guys thanks a lot see to print some things bye!!
16:05.08tarzeauRydekull: which version of brutalchess?
16:05.10BiffDunedan: apache2ctl graceful
16:05.10Rydekulltarzeau: no, I find the explanation on that page you linked. A rule i've never heard about, ever. "Pawn en passant"
16:05.25BiffRydekull: fix my ldap :P
16:05.35RydekullBiff: no
16:05.42RydekullBiff: openldap.org :)
16:05.45DunedanBiff: ah, thx.
16:06.02harkah, the en passant capture
16:06.35RydekullSo, no bug *removes his screenshots*
16:07.17tarzeauRydekull: you know you can make your own chess models with wings3d for brutalchess?
16:07.40Rydekulltarzeau: still enjoy it more as 2D, gives more of a real feeling :)
16:07.49tarzeauRydekull: i'd like to make holes into the models, and give them some cheese texture, on a wooden plate
16:08.01tarzeauRydekull: they are supposed to add FICS support
16:08.18Rydekulltarzeau: I like my real glass-chess :)
16:08.31tarzeauRydekull: photo! photo!
16:08.51Rydekullgrumble, then I have to move
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16:09.07tarzeauRydekull: are you lazy, maybe a bit?
16:09.41Rydekulltarzeau: slightly
16:09.41tarzeauRydekull: you know debian has a great tool called, imageindex - generate static HTML galleries from images
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16:12.38Rydekulltarzeau: you know, I have a great tool called vi
16:12.46Rydekulltarzeau: or just apache for that matter
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16:13.09_torben1just in case anybody with xen experience is really here (the guys in #debian-xen are all asleep as it seems), please tell me
16:13.17tarzeauRydekull: i don't like to write html for a lot of images like, http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/
16:13.32tarzeauabrotman: omg i found a new fantastic game!
16:13.43asgtarzeau: duck hunt?
16:13.54tarzeauasg: haha, great name for a game. you write it?
16:14.00Rydekulltarzeau: then dont? :)
16:14.14Rydekulltarzeau: it already exists, Duck hunt that is, NES classic
16:14.19asgtarzeau: old coin-op
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16:14.45tarzeauhaha looks like fun. is there a free software implementation of it?
16:14.55tarzeauhttp://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary's/Pictures/NESGameCovers/D/DucK%20Hunt.jpg
16:15.01asgtarzeau: could run it in an emulator if not
16:15.03manimiis there a way to install modules for a specific kernel version, if running a different one during installation?
16:15.07manimiall on one machine
16:15.27tarzeauasg: well not going to be in debian ever then
16:16.04asgtarzeau: yeah, probably not.
16:16.12FahrenheitHello everybody, I'g got some problem with a fresh openssh installation : I can connect using root account but when I try to connect using a normal account, it said me : System bootup in progress - please wait, but the system is already started, so what's the problem ?
16:16.12FahrenheitI'm using etch
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16:17.26tarzeauRydekull: i'd like a pony instead of a knight in that 3d chess
16:17.35Rydekulltarzeau: ;)
16:18.33tarzeauRydekull: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000HBDJFA.01._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_V59546889_.jpg
16:19.15Rydekulltarzeau: haha
16:19.33Rydekulltarzeau: zzz, transferring pics from cam righ tnow
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16:21.40perlmonkHi everyone, I maybe found a bug in deborphan... unless I got it wrong. I just installed galeon so it installed galeon and galeon-common. As galeon didn't do what I expected, I removed it, apt-get remove galeon. then, I ran deborphan which didn't show galeon-common... Why is that ?
16:22.04tarzeauperlmonk: it doesn't find all
16:22.15tarzeauperlmonk: doesn't work for unneeded -perl modules either
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16:22.21harkperlmonk: again, use aptitude :)
16:22.25tarzeau!UTSL
16:22.25dpkgwell, utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?).  If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand.
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16:22.34perlmonkhark, I don't liek aptitude
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16:22.41Rydekullhark: i'll have to say that aptitude isnt as nice as deborphan
16:22.54harkto install?
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16:23.09perlmonktarzeau, So is it a bug of deborphan or a normal behavior ?
16:23.17Rydekullhark: to use to list orphaned packages
16:23.23tarzeauperlmonk: i think it's normal, but feel free to check bts or write a patch
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16:23.36perlmonkok
16:23.40Rydekullhark: kinda the thought about linux, make a program that does one thing really good, deborphan does that
16:23.40drexxihi
16:24.01perlmonkRydekull, Not that good apparently
16:24.10drexxihow stable is the newst etch-pre release?
16:24.17harkRydekull: meant the aptitude dependency tracking
16:24.27tarzeaudrexxi: very much so, depends which packages you use
16:24.31perlmonkdrexxi, As stable as a pre-release can be
16:24.34perlmonk:P
16:25.00h3sp4wnRydekull: obviously it doesn't do it very good or perlmonks issue wouldn't exist - aptitude would have acted sanely (removing galeon-common also)
16:25.04drexxi:) sounds good so i could use it? i cant wait anylonger to set up this server :D
16:25.07tarzeauabrotman: the game is like 40 mb big :)
16:25.35twisted`is there a special debian installer for usb sticks?
16:25.50xandno
16:25.53tarzeauyes
16:25.56Rydekullh3sp4wn: well, I wouldnt say aptitude does it better either, I miss deborphan when I use aptiude :)
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16:26.05tarzeauwww.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ well nothing special about it
16:26.13xandtwisted`: installing from one or to one?
16:26.18twisted`xand: from
16:26.24xando
16:26.33Rydekulltarzeau: 60 out of 146 images transferred
16:26.56tarzeaudamn, no Makefile... i hate software without build recipes
16:27.09twisted`tarzeau: need to grab everything?
16:27.28tarzeautwisted`: i've got everything. they only have windows build stuff (VC), and no tarball yet (svn co)
16:27.42twisted`http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/
16:27.47twisted`is what I need for a usb stick right'/
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16:28.45tarzeautwisted`: never did an install from usb. only network boot ones
16:28.53twisted`tarzeau: ah k
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16:28.59tarzeautwisted`: but i'd like to try this one for sure: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
16:29.05twisted`:)
16:29.09twisted`tarzeau: true
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16:29.30raf256how can I convert a text file in windows encoding (like iso-8859-2) into anything sane like utf?
16:29.41raf256using application, command line or whatever
16:30.00tarzeauraf256: using recode
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16:31.09FahrenheitHello everybody, I have some problem whith an ssh server, when I try to connect using root account, it work, but when I try to connect using a normal account, the server answer me : System bootup in progress - please wait
16:31.09FahrenheitBut the system is already up, so what's the problem ?
16:31.44raf256what was the name of window-xxx encoding like iso-8859-2
16:31.54perlmonkhttp://goodbye-microsoft.com/   <=== vaporware ?
16:32.11tarzeauraf256: try recode -l
16:32.50wols_8859-15 for western
16:32.52tarzeauperlmonk: no it's true
16:33.04perlmonktarzeau, Nice little thing then
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16:33.28tarzeauRydekull: tried gnu/kfreebsd yet?
16:33.38raf256tarzeau: thanks
16:33.44Rydekulltarzeau: long ago now
16:33.47wols_only if the installer supports your NIC
16:34.02djarkisalve a tutti
16:34.24Ronin!it
16:34.24dpkgper aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org).  C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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16:35.33raf256!bitchslap recode man devel for not writting the examples
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16:36.40tarzeau!recode
16:36.47tarzeauraf256: it's really simple like recode from..to whatever
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16:38.42harkinfo recode ?
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16:39.13raf256tarzeau: its fucked up
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16:39.23tarzeauraf256: worked always fine for me
16:39.31raf256tarzeau: how to convert foo.txt from windows-1250 into iso8859-2 ?
16:40.24tarzeauraf256: cat /etc/motd | recode windows-1250..latin2 > foo2.txt
16:40.33tarzeauraf256: you can also just give foo.txt as last parameter
16:40.42raf256oh
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16:40.57Celsius273Hello from Phoenix
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16:41.59xandfrom where?
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16:43.00tarzeautonight is a moon eclipse...
16:43.31xanddoesn't that happen all the time
16:43.40xandexcept for full moons.
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16:43.59bhz-I will pay $20 via paypal if you DoS someone for several hours. message me if interested
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16:45.07Rydekullso, who got the red button?
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16:46.04cahootsounds like something H Simpson would appreciate
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16:46.38xandhaha.
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16:47.15earthianhello, could somebody smarter than me explain what does it mean "xen kernel" ?
16:47.23earthianand xen at all... do I need it? :)
16:47.29earthianwhat it is used for?
16:47.31earthianthanks
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16:47.53Grub_Nowvirtualisation, go google
16:49.00Rydekulltarzeau: http://home.rydekull.se/gallery/chess/
16:50.19tarzeauearthian: you don't need it
16:50.33amee2ki have two NFS filesystems mounted. client is deb 3.1 stable, both server and client are running linux 2.6. on the client i get loads of error messages like "nfs: server 192.168.22.14 not responding, still trying" or "nfs: server 192.168.22.14 OK". pings show no packet loss and 0.4 ms avg. CPU load on client and server is constantly <10%. what is going wrong?
16:50.39Rydekull!tell earthian about xen
16:50.51earthiani see... but i read now in wikipedia that it can have windows as guest :o
16:51.10amee2kany hints?
16:51.29tarzeauamee2k: got gbit?
16:51.56amee2ktarzeau: what is that?
16:52.12wols_a fast network
16:52.12tarzeauamee2k: gigabit nics
16:52.21Grub_Nowvery fast indeed :)
16:52.23amee2kno. 10 mbps
16:52.30tarzeauamee2k: nfs is known to go foobar with gbit, if not using tcp
16:52.31wols_earthian: only on VT enabled CPUs
16:52.52earthianwols_, like?
16:52.55amee2kactually the network is 100 but the client only has a 10 mbps card
16:53.12wols_very late P4s, Conroes and AM2 CPUs
16:53.18earthianso my two opterons (CG) wont run them?
16:53.24earthianok
16:53.26wols_no they won't
16:53.26tarzeauRydekull: shiny!
16:53.32Rydekulltarzeau: I like them
16:53.34earthian:(
16:53.42tarzeauRydekull: they're made of glass?
16:53.46Rydekulltarzeau: yes
16:53.53tarzeauRydekull: ever got hit by one? does it hurt?
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16:53.58wols_and: there is no graphics virtualization yet. so: no direct3d games under linux
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16:54.05Rydekulltarzeau: I usually dont throw them around
16:54.17troubleboyhow can i change the std audio output driver for flashplugin????
16:54.17tarzeauRydekull: :) j/k
16:54.22Rydekulltarzeau: figured
16:54.32tarzeautroubleboy: ask adobe?
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16:55.03cahoottroubleboy: it might be ICWEASEL_DSP you are looking for
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16:55.07amee2kany other possible causes for that NFS problem?
16:55.17cahoottroubleboy: err ICEWEASEL_DSP
16:55.35troubleboycahoot: but i'm using opera, does that matter?
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16:56.02cahoottroubleboy: disregard then
16:56.21amee2kis there an alternative to NFS for mounting remote file system (the easier the better)
16:56.31raf256!bitchslap mplayer devels for not providing a default subtitles font
16:56.33tarzeauamee2k: nfs is the easiest i can think of
16:56.48tarzeauamee2k: you could just use rsync to copy some data though
16:56.56Ind[y]The weekly build cd 1 will auto-download (during the installation) much software that I may don't need?
16:57.07Ind[y]* that maybe I wouldn't need
16:57.31amee2ki'm not mirroring a 300G archive with rsync
16:57.36troubleboyso what do i do instead? i'm pointing opera to the *.so file related to flashplugin-nonfree, but where to change the audio output to oss?
16:57.50tarzeauamee2k: why not? got no diskspace?
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16:58.00amee2kthe client has a 6.4G disk
16:58.15tarzeauamee2k: ah ok, besides you've only got 10mbit
16:58.25raf256!bitchslap xine for crashing
16:58.35tarzeauamee2k: it takes ages with 100mbit alreayd, or even disk to disk
16:58.48Rydekullraf256: I have a feeling it's whatever you're trying to watch that fails you
16:58.56tarzeauraf256: using which file? can i have a copy of the file you try to play?
16:59.05raf256tarzeau: yes
16:59.10raf256tarzeau: the subtitles are crashing it
16:59.21tarzeauwhich mplayer version?
16:59.28raf256xine
16:59.34Rydekullstop watching things with subtitles ;)
16:59.38raf256This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.5cvs.
16:59.43raf256Rydekull: no
16:59.52harktroubleboy: flash 9 is alsa only, afaik
16:59.56amee2ki don't need fancy security, just mount a remote filesystem read-only. what would be the next complex solution after NFS?
17:00.10tarzeauamee2k: samba, it's a pain to set up
17:00.18tarzeaucompared to nfs. one line configuration
17:00.19amee2kyeah, i tried that first
17:00.25raf256tarzeau: http://www.raf256.org/tmp/Requiem%20for%20a%20Dream.utf8.txt
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17:00.38tarzeauraf256: and the video file to it?
17:00.48raf256tarzeau: 800 mb? no
17:00.59h3sp4wnamee2k: sshfs (fuse module) is easy to use (but rw unless permissions are set its ro)
17:01.01tarzeauraf256: why not i've got plenty space left :)
17:01.04raf256but the subtitles are the problem
17:01.17raf256tarzeau: It would take a day and isnt legal to share
17:01.21tarzeauh3sp4wn: when i tried it like two years ago, it kept hanging after some time)
17:01.34amee2khm... suppose i can always use mount -o ro. lemme see
17:01.35tarzeauraf256: ah i didn't know the license of that video file. then forget it
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17:01.55raf256tarzeau: do the subtitles show?
17:02.08tarzeauraf256: how can i check? i've got my own build of mplayer
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17:02.27raf256tarzeau: play any video with that as subtitles
17:02.33tarzeauahh, let me try
17:02.38raf256plazia: there should be latters like ą ę ł ć ż ó and so on
17:02.42raf256(polish)
17:02.46h3sp4wntarzeau: I haven't had any issues with it since I started using it (when I updated to 2.6.19 which made shfs break)
17:03.23raf256tarzeau: ^
17:03.30troubleboyhark: thx, but this sux big time
17:03.43raf256tarzeau: the letters show ok in Kate (as utf8) but do not work in kaffeine nor xine.. wtf??
17:03.50raf256and they crash xine
17:03.56plaziaraf256, ?
17:04.00raf256perhaps windows style EOL are to blame
17:04.03raf256plazia: sorry mistake
17:04.07plaziaraf256, np
17:04.24tarzeauraf256: subtitles work, not as utf8 though. no crash of mplayer here
17:04.50raf256tarzeau: not as utf8?
17:05.09droned<PROTECTED>
17:05.15tarzeauraf256: trying -utf8 now
17:05.37tarzeauraf256: looks like it works, byt my font doesn't have some of the characters which show up as _
17:05.53tarzeauraf256: i've got MPlayer 1.0rc1-4.1.2 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
17:05.59raf256tarzeau: what cmd line for mplayer did you used
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17:06.02tarzeauraf256: command line used: mplayer -utf8 -nosound /export/data1/videos/weeds.106.avi -sub Requiem\ for\ a\ Dream.utf8.txt
17:06.12raf256tarzeau: how to set up some common font for mplayer
17:06.16tarzeaubecause opencubicplayer is playing some other music
17:06.51tarzeauraf256: good question..
17:06.55raf256how to tell mplayer to use a font
17:07.09amee2ksshfs looks interresting. how much memory/CPU/network overhead does it create?
17:07.15tarzeauraf256: something like FontName=Arial,Default.Bold=1 ?
17:07.23tarzeauraf256: the manual page is not too shabby
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17:07.31tarzeauamee2k: like ssh
17:07.36mx-zoomn
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17:07.50h3sp4wnamee2k: Not noticably different to just using scp
17:08.08amee2kand how much does that have? lets say, compared to NFS
17:08.11\amethystraf256: you probably don't want to compile the kernel over sshfs or anything
17:08.14bingofuelhello, if i want to use firestarter i need GUI o with a console the firestarter works?
17:08.15\amethysterr
17:08.18\amethystsorry
17:08.39tarzeaubingofuel: firewall frontend?
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17:09.14insmodis there a list of camcorders that work with linux i can't find any
17:09.18\amethystamee2k: in my experience slower than NFS, and you have to be careful about caching
17:09.24\amethystamee2k: But I use it all the time :)
17:09.29bingofueltarzeau, what is firewall frotend?, is a firewall for console? (googling)
17:09.39\amethystamee2k:  If it's a slow connection you can turn on ssh compression, which helps
17:09.58amee2ksay, i'd need to keep 600 kb/s throughput over a 10 Mbps link and 400 MHz K6-2 / 32M client
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17:10.15\amethystamee2k: can you do that with scp?
17:10.26tarzeaubingofuel: iptables is one, and i like the shorewall
17:10.27amee2kdidn't try
17:10.45tarzeauRydekull: tried bloboats yet? it's soooo damn fun. pity the debian package has the free music files removed, it's really cool
17:10.46amee2klemme clock some big file...
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17:10.53\amethystamee2k: it's using an scp connection under the hood, so the speed for block transfers should be comparable
17:11.04\amethystit's going to be kind of slow if you're serving lots of little files
17:11.16tarzeauany BASIC "coders" around?
17:11.25sivikhow do i tell whats causing teamspeak to not have mic/headphone volume and i can't fix it by hitting the unmute mic/headphone
17:11.25raf256tarzeau: yey I got it working
17:11.33Rydekulltarzeau: "bloboats" changing its name?
17:11.39raf256tarzeau: still, kaffeine and xine are crash-prone on faulty data
17:11.39bingofueltarzeau, thanks, i don't know the shorewall, i'll try it
17:11.40tarzeauRydekull: it's a game
17:11.45raf256tarzeau: thanks, bbl
17:11.48tarzeauraf256: file bugreports?
17:11.55raf256tarzeau: will tommorow
17:11.58raf256got to go cu
17:12.13tarzeaugood night
17:12.31Rydekulltarzeau: you'll have to link me
17:12.48tarzeauRydekull: apt-get install bloboats ?
17:13.09Rydekulltarzeau: yes, I just noticed my spellingerror :)
17:13.23tarzeauRydekull: what did you type? blowboats?
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17:13.54Rydekulltarzeau: blobloats
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17:17.33maddashhow do i generate a beep in a console?
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17:17.39Rydekull!beep
17:17.39dpkgi guess beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007".  A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port
17:17.52sivikhow do i tell if i have a multiple programs open trying to run sound
17:17.56maddashRydekull: thanks.
17:18.23maddashRydekull: what's with the "/exec"?
17:18.30Rydekullmaddash: irssi
17:19.01maddashRydekull: should that be changed?
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17:19.42maddash!beep ~= s/\/exec -o/`
17:19.45maddash!beep ~= s/\/exec -o/`/
17:19.53dronedexec - -o echo
17:20.02dronedelse irssi gives an error
17:20.05droned;/
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17:20.17DonPedroludzie to lamki
17:20.30droned!mx
17:20.30dpkgwell, mx is the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an MTA where to deliver mail for a given domain.  Merry Xmas, or Mexico.
17:20.36dronedhmm, I thought mexican was a language
17:20.37Arwendoes debian's kernels ship with acl support built in?
17:20.45maddashdroned: es, i think
17:20.46dronedit surely isn't spanish
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17:21.03dronedmaddash: no mexican aint spanish man, its a highly bastardized form of it
17:21.07dronedeh essay?
17:21.16dronedthey call each other articles of english writing
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17:21.18maddashdroned: "essay"?
17:21.20dronedpretty fucked essay
17:21.43IceD^heya
17:21.43dronedmaddash: yeh, its the mexican 'dude' homie 'bro' man 'dude'
17:21.43amee2khm... scp ca sustain ~800kb/s
17:21.44dronedetc.
17:21.45maddashdroned: US:GB::Mexico:Spain...sort of.
17:21.54maddashdroned: it's not spelled "essay"
17:21.57jetscreamerese
17:21.59IceD^how to install vmware-workstation on sarge?
17:22.00dronedeitherway
17:22.01dronedits dumb
17:22.03droned:)
17:22.14jetscreamerit's short for S ... the abbreveation of Senor
17:22.15dronedim gonna go write an essay
17:22.26jetscreamerabbreviation?
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17:22.28dronedthis is some really dumb shit
17:22.29jetscreamerhmmm
17:22.31amee2kbottleneck appears to be the network link
17:22.34dronedgod I hate argh!
17:22.35Rydekulldroned: I believe it's spanish, or rather, lots of different languages, all influenced by spanish
17:22.51dronedRydekull: no need to tell me these things, I meant stuff in joking
17:22.52dronedits funny
17:22.54dronedand dumb
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17:24.04dronedmy beer won't get cold and Im thirsty
17:24.18jetscreamerfreezer
17:24.29strunkoh mother fucker someone registered strunk?
17:24.36maddashjetscreamer: witch's teat.
17:24.40amee2kput it in liquid helium
17:24.53strunkso uh what now?
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17:24.59strunkyou mean liquid nitogen
17:25.14amee2kno, helium. has a boiling point of ~4 K
17:25.18jetscreamerliquid any gas
17:25.32strunkamee2k: I have a boiling point of get the fuck off my tail
17:25.35amee2kif that doesn't freeze it, there is something wrong with your beer
17:25.37strunkhehe
17:25.57strunkamee2k: there is something wrong with my beer. Its American domestic. Need I say more?
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17:26.32amee2kstudoes that explain why it won't freeze? :P
17:27.03jetscreamero
17:27.11stonedyeh its me
17:27.15jetscreamerit's you
17:27.20stonedit is I
17:27.20amee2kis it?
17:27.25stonedI think so
17:27.27amee2ksurely?
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17:27.35stonedlast I checked my dick was there
17:27.40amee2khm... weird
17:27.41stonedyup its me
17:27.45Rydekullstoned: its what defines you?
17:27.57jetscreamerthe dick in the dirt?
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17:28.03stonedRydekull: man there are only an average of 60-70 years I have on this planet
17:28.15jetscreamerwhy sleep?
17:28.25stonedactually
17:28.26amee2kwhy bother?
17:28.29stonedI had a 12 pack last night
17:28.32stonedknocked my dick in the dirt
17:28.35stonedI hung over
17:28.51stonedwhat I had said 'over' on the next line
17:28.53stonedlike hehehe
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17:29.10amee2kmaybe that gets it to freeze
17:29.11muszekhi... I used "crontab -e" to add a new entry in my crontab... it dosn't work though (syntax is correct, it's almost identical to older entries).  do I need to do something else past editing my crontab?  like restarting cron daemon or something...
17:29.37amee2kmuszek: usually no. did you check the syslog?
17:30.02muszekamee2k: I haven't checked it... could you please tell me where is it?
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17:30.25muszek/var/log/syslog?
17:30.25amee2k/var/log/syslog
17:30.28muszek:)
17:30.47amee2kgrep it for "cron" (or whatever name your cron uses)
17:30.48stonedjetscreamer: I will be in houston next week in about 10 days or so
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17:31.16maddashisn't dmesg == syslog?
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17:31.23amee2knope
17:31.28jetscreameruhoh
17:31.33maddashwhat's dmesg's source?
17:31.51amee2k/var/log/dmesg
17:31.56stonedjetscreamer: oh man 10 days till I get a home cooked meal
17:32.04jetscreamer/var/log
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17:32.06stonedjetscreamer: its been far too long without real food
17:32.20hendrixlu2ehv.blogspot.com
17:32.22hendrixlu2ehv.blogspot.com
17:32.25jetscreameryour parents are in houston?
17:32.26stonedhendrix: wtf
17:32.31stonedjetscreamer: no they are in baton rouge
17:32.34jetscreamerah
17:32.35hendrixstoned : hi!!
17:32.40stonedhendrix: you sucked
17:32.46stonedyou always sucked, I don't see why people like you
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17:32.54stonedyou're sound is horrible, you can't play guitar worth a fuck
17:32.58stonedahem, I'm done
17:33.06amee2kdoes he swallow too?
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17:33.11jetscreamerblashphemy! anathema!
17:33.20hendrixyou don't know about music
17:33.22stonedjetscreamer: nah, its just that hes overrated
17:33.28stonedjetscreamer: hes a damn good mucisian
17:33.29jetscreamerheh
17:33.30stonedjust overrated
17:33.40piper69why sudo doesn't accept my root password?
17:33.50stonedpiper69: you don't give sudo roto password
17:33.57hendrixi'm argentinian
17:33.57stonedpiper69: you give it your password
17:33.59stonedI tink
17:34.02tarzeaustoned: got some mp3 or ogg to listen?
17:34.08stonedtarzeau: of what?
17:34.08amee2kpiper69: sudo takes the passwd of the user who calls it
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17:34.20jetscreamerpiper69: you need to be in the sudo group and listed in /etc/sudoers
17:34.22tarzeaustoned: the guitar play
17:34.23hendrixi'm learning english
17:34.31stonedtarzeau: nothing new
17:34.37amee2kpiper69: the very point behind sudo is that you don't need to reveal your root password to allow someone to execute commands as root
17:34.38jetscreamerand just use your own pw like they said
17:34.41stonedtarzeau: unless you've heard newriff.mp3
17:34.45stonedtarzeau: nothing else besides that
17:34.52tarzeaustoned: nope, where can i get it?
17:34.58hendrixsee you
17:35.10stonedtarzeau: same place, I am dreaming dot org slash music slash newriff dot mp3
17:35.20stonedI being stoned
17:35.21piper69as a root i am trying to complie , but when i do 'make' i get make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
17:35.21stonedetc.
17:35.46jetscreameryou need to make menuconfig maybe, if it's a kernel?
17:35.48stonedpiper69: always configure and make as user, and then install as sudo make install
17:35.56stonedpiper69: what are you compiling
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17:36.37karmatronichi there
17:36.51piper69stoned: driver for my pcmcia card it the RTL8180
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17:37.07jetscreamer!tell piper69 -about m-a
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17:37.51jetscreamertime to get ready for work, oh boy!
17:38.03karmatronictime to take a nap
17:38.08structany known problems with keyboards not working after a while?
17:38.10suppamannap ?
17:38.19piper69jetscreamer: you work saturdays
17:38.29suppamanstruct: well the keyboard could be broken
17:38.30karmatronicyeah 18h30
17:38.42suppamankarmatronic: CET ?
17:38.54jetscreamerinteracting with the filthy rich in a low level manner.. what joy. piper69, yes, and it's nice to not be working 7days a week anymore
17:38.56piper69i have the latest linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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17:39.13suppamanjetscreamer: what's your job ?
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17:39.18stonedpiper69: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare will take care of that
17:39.22simonrvnjetscreamer: congrats
17:39.29jetscreameri deliver crap
17:39.37jetscreamertoday, it's wedding dresses
17:39.40simonrvnon not working 7 days a week
17:39.42suppaman:-)
17:39.43stonedjetscreamer: hey
17:40.02stonedjetscreamer: dont' feel too bad.  I hate interfacing with the filthy rich, and I'm one of them *(at least my folks are)*
17:40.22jetscreamerah... buddy!
17:40.26jetscreameri love you man
17:40.28stoned:)
17:40.30stonedhehe
17:40.35stonedsure as long as it is plutonic
17:40.39stonedplatonic
17:40.40suppamanstoned: is the wedding dress for you then ?
17:40.41stonedfuck i can't spell
17:40.46jetscreamer:) lol
17:40.49piper69lol
17:40.58suppamanplutonic love would be really far in the solar system..
17:41.03structsuppaman: doubt it
17:41.06stonedlol
17:41.08jetscreameror with a cartoon dog
17:41.15stonedI was just about to say that
17:41.18piper69jetscreamer: as long as it pays good then hell do it, soon i will join ur club
17:41.18simonrvni did as a kid, due to my ex-step-dad, but man, did i hate it. you could just tell they were fakey
17:41.21structsuppaman: sounds more like ctrl+space in gimp causing the keyboard to stop working
17:41.34suppamanstruct: never heard
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17:41.41suppamanbut I do use gimp on os x
17:41.49jetscreamersimonrvn: what?
17:41.50Cybodogjust reloaded debian:  I missed debian!
17:41.51jetscreamer:)
17:41.55piper69stoned: what shall i do after apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare
17:42.07piper69i tried to make but same issue
17:42.17stonedpiper69: no  use module assistant to build the driver
17:42.25simonrvnjetscreamer: :)
17:42.33stonedI'm not sure how with your particular module I don't know if the kernel/driver source is packaged or not
17:42.35simonrvnnow i want nothing to do with them
17:42.37Cybodogjust one iritation:  Icewease constantly opens to the mozilla firefox2 advertisment instead of my home page.  How do I fix this?
17:42.46stonedI'm not too familiar with compiling with module-assitant, but I am some
17:42.50piper69stoned: source
17:42.53simonrvnchange your home page
17:42.59Cybodogdone simonrvn
17:43.03stonedpiper69: have you checked to see if debian has this driver already
17:43.08Cybodogignored by firefox simonrvn
17:43.29jetscreamerCybodog: me too
17:43.29simonrvnmine works
17:43.29jetscreameryes it doesn't give a shit if you change it
17:43.30stonedjetscreamer: I came up with a new layout
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17:43.31stonedand I'm sticking iwth it
17:43.35stonedthe menu is debatable
17:43.39jetscreameri even went into about:config and tried the other ones, like default and first run thing
17:43.41piper69stoned: yes and its not
17:43.45stonedhttp://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/
17:43.48stoned^^
17:44.00jetscreamerit still opens the stupid mozilla.com page
17:44.07Cybodogstupid page!
17:44.13jetscreamerCybodog: apt-get install iceape
17:44.16simonrvnwell, still running 1.0.7 until i finish my upgrade - which i'm about to do...
17:44.18stonedpiper69: hmm, I dunno man ask around
17:44.28piper69stoned: this is a Linksys wcp11 ver4
17:44.29CybodogIceape?  Looking into it.
17:44.29jetscreamersimonrvn: when you do you;ll have it to i guess
17:44.31simonrvnyeh, i'm using iceape now, it's true, heh
17:44.33jetscreamertoo
17:44.57wols_piper69: card names are meaningless. it's the chip number/names that count
17:45.18piper69wols_: it is RTL8180
17:45.25Cybodogoh, the old nescape suite
17:45.28Cybodognetscape
17:45.30stonedrtl8180 is not in debian?
17:45.32suppamanstoned: don't use button like menu items
17:45.43stonedsuppaman: yeh its kinda gayish
17:46.08stonedI was having fun with borders and making buttons
17:46.08stonedhehe
17:46.18suppamanbtw
17:46.22suppamanwhat game do you play ?
17:46.27suppamangames
17:46.36stonedthis new game I've taken quite a liking to
17:46.36Cybodogso:  no one has (off the top of their heads) a solution for the homepage not sicking?
17:46.44stonedand I'm hoping to be a maintainer for it for debian
17:46.50stonedits Secret Maryo  Chronicles
17:46.52simonrvnuse iceape =)
17:46.52Cybodogdamn, I can't type todya
17:46.54jetscreamerCybodog: no, and i've tried like hell
17:47.04jetscreameri didn't compile it though
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17:47.17Cybodogstrange
17:47.19harkit seems to be fixed now.. with the latest update
17:47.20stonedI've made some binary packages but I need to fine tune everything and rebuild new version and make sure it complies with debian policies
17:47.24stonedshouldn't take too long
17:47.26suppamanok I have to leave bathroom
17:47.28suppamanbye guys
17:47.28Cybodoghark, I have the latest
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17:47.32stonedbut since I am moving its kinda slow
17:47.39suppamanthree hooray for wireless
17:47.52stonedother than that, I play Oblivion
17:47.54piper69what does it mean when they say ake sure it mount sa2400 radio
17:48.01stonedand I think GTA san andreas and thats bout it
17:48.04piper69make sure it mount sa2400 radio
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17:48.12stonedI also p lay a lot of SLASHEM
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17:48.19jetscreamerCybodog: there's an update today, i'm installing it atm
17:48.20stonedsdl 3d tyles
17:48.21stonedtiles
17:48.45Cybodogthis is funny!  I have not seen that old netscape suite in a long long time. (iceape)
17:48.47stonedpheeoy he left
17:48.54stonednetscape suite?
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17:49.13jetscreamericeape, mozilla suite, netscape suite
17:49.14Cybodogice ape is the old netscape suite, ie, IM, mail, browser all in one
17:49.15jetscreameryes
17:49.15harkCybodog: yeah, the FF page no longer appears now, here
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17:49.37tarzeauCybodog: and it can edit html too?
17:49.53CybodogI presume tarzeau
17:49.56piper69what is rtl8180-sa2400
17:50.37jetscreamerCybodog: yes today's update fixes it
17:50.37Cybodoglooking at ti.
17:50.39Cybodogit
17:50.43stonedjetscreamer: I thought you were going to verk?
17:50.58jetscreameri am... first i should get dressed though i guess
17:51.01stonedund verkin?
17:51.09stonedja
17:51.13jetscreamerciao
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17:54.30fchello
17:54.51fcanyone?
17:55.00Roninanyone what?
17:55.13fcanyone awake
17:55.18stonedno
17:55.24stonedRonin is asleep and so am I
17:55.27Roninno, we're all still asleep
17:55.29fcgood call
17:55.47Ankmanhaha
17:56.11fcis everyone getting the required daily 12 hours of sleep then
17:56.39xingus/sleep/sex/
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17:56.53piper69Ankman: whatsup
17:57.01fcotherwise youre not gonna get enough growth hormone produced and you can be more vulnerable to attacks of evil virii and bacteria
17:57.42simonrvnthey're not all bad, you know
17:57.51stonedI like yogurt
17:57.59stonedso basically I eat spoiled milk
17:58.09stonedplain white yogurt
17:58.11fci guess bacteria has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis
17:58.16wols_better than eating cheese
17:58.18stonedi can't stand sweet yogurt, and I also like cheese too
17:59.34piper69stoned: you are really stoned lol
17:59.34wols_moldy cheese
17:59.34simonrvnand ultra-clean environment can make you sicker... your immume system doesn't get exercise, so when you get hit by a nasty bug, you're screwed
17:59.34stonedsimonrvn: hehe
17:59.34fcexactly
17:59.35simonrvns,and,an,
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17:59.40simonrvnthat's why just 'normal' soap is ok, and 'anti-bacterial' soap isn't. though that stuff is useful if you're doing surgery or something =)
17:59.44tarzeauLOL http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=224934&cid=18216846
17:59.45robin_szgentlemen, I present a problem :) ... I have an old laptop I'd like to put an OS for my kids to use.
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18:00.04fcyeah, although i have my doubts about the validity of the "anti-bacterial" claims
18:00.05robin_sznow ... it has a CDROM drive ... but you can;t boot from it
18:00.09robin_szno floppy
18:00.11stonedsimonrvn: my immune system is equipped with the biological equivalent of quad capacity rocket launchers, highly tacticalal nucleur warheads, gunships and a fleet of white motherfuckers (cells) who are on constant patrol.
18:00.20simonrvnyeh, agreed fc
18:00.35simonrvnstoned: mine too dude
18:00.36stonedif they see a germ or a bacteria they dont' fuck around, they pull out the weapon, wax the motherfuckers and deposite them directly into my colon
18:00.38simonrvn:D
18:00.39stoned:D
18:00.52piper69Ankman: you busy?
18:00.52robin_szim guessing my best bet is to moun the laptop drive on another box and linuxify it from there, right?
18:00.59fcthat just generates more violence, stoned
18:01.04simonrvnheheh
18:01.15simonrvnrobin_sz: that would probably be best
18:01.25fctheres evidence that immune systems based on consensus rather than violence are more effective in the long-run
18:01.28robin_szthe only question is "how"
18:02.04fcin any case, a strong immune system is only worth as a deterrent
18:02.09robin_szfc, no, there is evidence that he who invokes the maximum amount of violence the fastest, usually wins
18:02.09simonrvni heard this one from one of the haudenosaunee chiefs the other day:
18:02.32phogghow do I get a list of packages which provide e.g. ftp-server on the command line?
18:02.33robin_szfc: germs pay no attention to deterrence
18:03.06fcrobin_sz, but if you have a diplomatic immune system, you can convince germs that they are on your side and gear their power to your advantage
18:03.23simonrvnimagine if your body didn't work on consensus... you get a cut, then your body says 'that blood can't coagulate, it can't do its thing', and 'that skin can't bring blood there to heal itself', you'd quickly fall apart
18:03.29robin_szfc: termination with extreme prejudice is the way a few million years of nature hace worked out to be best.
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18:03.45MustangMatt_homeOfftopic... How can I kick someone else off that's using my username if I have the password?
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18:03.53MustangMatt_homeOff of IRC that is
18:03.55simonrvnghost them
18:03.58fcrobin_sz, its just a matter of how long of a timeframe you focus on.
18:04.00RoninMustangMatt_home: /msg nickserv help
18:04.06MustangMatt_homeRonin: Thanks
18:04.07simonrvn/msg nickserv ghost username password
18:04.07stoned<PROTECTED>
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18:04.13stonedjinx
18:04.29robin_szfc, well, nature has been focussing on a few million years, im anoly around for another 40 or so, I'll go with whats been tested to date
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18:04.44strikeDid anyone got Logitech Attack 3 joystic working on Debian?
18:04.48fcrobin_sz you mean you dont believe in the powers of diplomatic immune systems?
18:04.53stonedrobin_sz: that is if you believe this is reality
18:05.05strikeI am using 2.6 kernel
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18:05.17stonedstrike: I have a joypad
18:05.20stonedfor nintentdo games
18:05.21robin_szstoned, lets not get started on reallity
18:05.21jlamrI'm looking to install another hard drive on my debian box just to store data on - can
18:05.22fcthat's right. theres some heavy assumptions going on there.
18:05.27stonedrobin_sz: hehe
18:05.36stonedjlamr: yes..?
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18:05.41strikestoned: any pointers?
18:05.45robin_szso .. anyway ...
18:05.50jlamrIm looking for howto?
18:05.50strikeI want to get it working..
18:05.51stonedstrike: no clue
18:05.56strike:(
18:05.59robin_szI have the slaptop drive mounted on another debian box ...
18:06.08stonedi have never used joysticks and my controller is lpt1
18:06.09stonedheh
18:06.15robin_szwodja need to do to debianify it for the laptop????
18:06.22fcspeaking of bacteria and assumptions, if i point my repositories to etch rather than testing, it should eventually update to stable, right? (when etch is officially released as stable, that is)
18:06.24phoggjlamr: not much to it. Plug the disk in, look in dmesg to determine its device name, add a line to /etc/fstab to give it a mount point
18:06.27wols_jlamr: put it in, partition it, format it, edit /etc/fstab. donje
18:06.29wols_done
18:06.35simonrvnjlamr: stick it in, decide where you want to mount it, make a filesystem, add the partitions to fstab, then mount. there, a howto
18:06.39stonedfc: yes
18:06.44jlamrheh thanks fellas
18:06.48fcstoned that is wonderful
18:06.53stonedyes it is
18:07.00stonedspecify testing you will always have testing
18:07.07stonedno matter the release
18:07.08fcsometimes i wonder what i would do without the predictability of debian in my life
18:07.10fcright
18:07.28fci just never seem to have enough patience to be able to wait until testing becomes stable
18:07.36stonedI don't particularly care
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18:07.52stonedsarge is well tested so I run and will run my servers on it until a while after etch is stable
18:07.55robin_szso ... will a 2gb disc be big enough to run linux on a laptop anyway??
18:07.59stonedand for my desktop I use sid
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18:08.14stonedand I dont' have many problems with sid that I cannot fix and I keep always uptodate packages
18:08.32stonedeven broken ones, sometimes I have a problem and I have no idea what to do to troubleshoot even, so here is where
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18:08.57fcthats a good point. in my case, i only use debian in my desktop system so i'd like to keep stable. thus, when a problem arises, it will likely be because i set up something wrong
18:09.03robin_szor should I just leave the laptop running windows?
18:09.19stonedI do some snapshotting and some experimental stuff on here and its just all hacked up and I feel like my debian box is soo dirty and full of stuff i don't even know about anymore
18:09.22stonedhehe
18:09.29fcbut if i had enough knowledge id use your approach, stoned
18:09.43Rydekullrobin_sz: debian will work fine on it
18:09.54robin_szRydekull, sure?
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18:10.13Rydekullrobin_sz: yes, 2Gb is more then enough, if you succeed having windows with that you'll do even better with linux
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18:10.24stonedfc: oh yeah, sid is not for the new guy
18:10.30robin_szRydekull, ok, so the question remians .. how to load debian onto it
18:10.37Rydekull!ig
18:10.38dpkgI heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4).
18:10.39fcstoned: i do the opposite. i try to strip as many things as i can off the kernel and off the system. i want it to be as lean as possible
18:10.47stonedfc: well same here
18:10.50robin_szRydekull, thanks, I know all that lready
18:10.55stonedfc: but thats on my servers
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18:11.00fcright
18:11.01robin_szRydekull, it doesnt help me much though
18:11.03h3sp4wnrobin_sz: no floppy ? or usb that can be booted from ?
18:11.10robin_sznopw
18:11.12Rydekullrobin_sz: You must read it for it to help you :)
18:11.12robin_sznope
18:11.31ewanm89fc: me too but the applications are a different matter
18:11.32robin_szRydekull, thnaks, as I said, I know all that already
18:11.36stonedI've a few servers for my neighbours
18:11.46h3sp4wnrobin_sz: plug the disk into another machine (with a 2.5 -> 3.5 adapter)
18:11.49stonednot on the internet but over wireless
18:11.57stonedthey like watching my movies and porn and games and such
18:12.01robin_szh3sp4wn, doen that .. mounted, now what?
18:12.16h3sp4wnrobin_sz: debootstrap to it
18:12.19h3sp4wn!debootstrap
18:12.19dpkgmethinks debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>  Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap
18:12.26robin_szthats th ebit I dont know ...
18:12.47Rydekullrobin_sz: you dont have a cd, floppy or usb on it?
18:12.55h3sp4wndebootstrap to it install a kernel -> install grub (run base-config if its sarge)
18:13.17robin_szRydekull, did you actually read any of my msgs first? no .. no floppy, non-bootable CDROM, no usb
18:13.30Rydekullrobin_sz: get a bootable cdrom
18:13.39Rydekullrobin_sz: do you have a network on it and another computer you can use?
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18:14.04robin_szRydekull, the cdrom is bootable I guess, the BIOS doesnt boot from cdrom though
18:14.28Rydekullrobin_sz: I am curious how you got windows on it before
18:14.29wols_whats on it right now?
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18:14.42robin_szwin nt4.0
18:14.47robin_szpassworded
18:14.49Rydekullrobin_sz: Since linux is certainly more... versatile? in the way you can install it
18:14.59piper69why i can't run the damn make
18:15.10robin_szRydekull, I have no idea how windows got on it .. it was a freebie
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18:15.14Rydekullrobin_sz: so you cant login to windows either?
18:15.16Rydekullrobin_sz: I see
18:15.19robin_sznope
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18:15.33robin_sztried resetting the lanman passwords, but it set up for domain login
18:15.43piper69every time i tar zxf the file and goto the dir and run make i get an error and then all the file on that dir disappear
18:15.44robin_szand I cant be arsed to do the screensaver trick
18:15.50Rydekullrobin_sz: well, get yourself a cd that works, or, get yourself another computer enxt to it, set up a pxeboot on that and install it
18:15.56robin_szoh ffs
18:16.02Rydekullrobin_sz: if the networkcard in it cant boot over pxe, get a new one
18:16.02robin_szTHE CD WORKS
18:16.33Rydekullrobin_sz: If you're going to start having a tone i'll stop trying to find a way for you to solve your problem
18:17.03Rydekullrobin_sz: new networkcard that is
18:17.27robin_szwhats wrong with the network card I have?
18:17.35RydekullI dont know, that's what im asking
18:17.43robin_szI think its fine.
18:17.45Rydekullanyways, im curious on the laptops model and name
18:17.59Rydekullrobin_sz: think is not knowing, can it boot pxe?
18:18.16simonrvn*BEEEP*
18:18.18robin_szdoubtful
18:18.25simonrvndoes that tone count?
18:18.30robin_szdont you need a bootrom for that?
18:18.34Rydekullrobin_sz: then that would be the wrong part and why you'd get a new one :)
18:18.54robin_szso ... you can get them that have a bootrom?
18:19.02Rydekullrobin_sz: or, get a usb-pcmcia-thingie with a usb-cdrom, or floppy, or whatever, and install with that
18:19.14Kevin`robin_sz why can't you boot from disk/cd? there's usually a jumper to reset the bios if there's a password
18:19.19fcwell, im off to real life. cheers everyone
18:19.31robin_szRydekull, you remeber the bit where I said "no usb"?
18:19.36Rydekullrobin_sz: the possibilities are endless actually, you just have to see them
18:19.40Rydekullrobin_sz: you remember I said pcmcia?
18:20.02wols_Rydekull: it's probably an old box, so spending even a single EUR is too much
18:20.03Kevin`Rydekull is it 32bit or 16bit pcmcia
18:20.08Rydekullhell, you can even rip out the harddrive, insert it into anothe rcompute rand fix it
18:20.11RydekullKevin`: dont ask me?
18:20.13robin_szRydekull, well you havent described a workabkle possibilty to me yet
18:20.22Kevin`robin_sz is it 12bit or 32bit pcmcia
18:20.32Rydekullwols_: getting old stuff isnt expensive, and he still havnt given me the name of the model yet :)
18:20.41robin_szRydekull, I HAVE ripped out the drive and inserted it into another ocmputer
18:20.47Rydekullrobin_sz: I've given you several workable ways :)
18:20.55Kevin`robin_sz so install something on it
18:21.04Kevin`while it's in the other compute
18:21.12Rydekullyes, exactly
18:21.27Rydekullthen we go back to the previously mentioned, debootstrap it
18:21.39robin_szKevin`, thats why h3sp4wn said to try debootstrap, but Rydekull thinks there is another way, I'll try Rydekull idea first
18:21.41Kevin`or run qemu with it
18:21.41Rydekullor just install directly on it
18:22.17Kevin`or install directly do it yes, but I normally do this with a usb controller for the disk (so I don't have to reboot), so that would get annoying
18:22.20robin_szwontthat install and configure a load of stuff for the desktop box that wont work on the laptop?
18:22.24robin_szlike drivers and stuff?
18:22.36Kevin`robin_sz linux is very forgiving in that respect
18:22.42Rydekullrobin_sz: I still wonder when you'll give us the model of the laptop
18:22.53robin_szRydekull, I did, you failed to read it
18:23.03Kevin`robin_sz if your using the generic debian kernel and such you can move the install to almost any supported box
18:23.18robin_szUnisys Aqutain
18:23.48robin_szso ... I have the drive mounted as /mnt/tmp
18:23.54robin_szhdc1 right?
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18:24.12robin_szbut its NTFS, so that won't do at all will it?
18:24.12Kevin`what do you have it formatted as
18:24.22strikedoes anyone know how to create a device with MAKEDEV? I tried this `cd /dev` and then `MAKEDEV -v js`
18:24.26strikeit didn't work
18:24.27Kevin`no, that won't do, unmount it and repartition/format it as appropriate for linux
18:24.57Rydekullrobin_sz: remove the partitions, create new ones, format them, create the swap, debootstrap onto it, chroot to it, set up partitions in fstab and stuff, install bootloader, reboot
18:25.12Rydekullrobin_sz: err, reboot is, move the disk back to the other comp
18:26.12Rydekullhmm, I think I must create a script for this one day, part of my scripts for alternative install suits
18:26.22justin!+DFS
18:26.23dpkgdfs is, like, Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies.  See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ and Documentation: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/
18:26.27justinRydekull: ^^^
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18:26.46Rydekulljustin: ... why are you telling me?
18:26.49Kevin`Rydekull I just keep a tar archive of a bootstrapped debian filesystem for the architectures I commonly use
18:27.02RydekullKevin`: heh
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18:27.17Kevin`saves lots of time installing, to just extract a 50mb file
18:27.32Rydekulljustin: really, why?
18:28.04RydekullKevin`: well, I got myself my own local repo, so it goes kinda quick to debootstrap :P
18:28.32Kevin`cross-architecture, debootstrap likes to fail a lot
18:28.43robin_szI think I'll have one last go at the windows screensaver trick before I debian it
18:29.14Rydekulljustin: why wont you answer me? :(
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18:35.02earthianhello, is there a tool that would let me calculate actual speeds in bps to some particular hosts?
18:35.19earthianit could be a site
18:35.25xandno it couldn't
18:35.28ChrisWhey all, is there a debian postfix package that's late enough to support Dovecot's SASL (ie: 2.3 or later)
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18:35.38xandhow could some third party measure the speed from your box to another?
18:35.54ChrisWif so, is it "safe" to use and if it is, where do I get it from?
18:36.01earthianxand, like a speed metter that can be found on some sites...
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18:36.17earthianit would test and show the speed to the server from client
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18:36.36xandearthian: and how is that going to measure the speed between you and some other host?
18:36.44xandwhy dont you do a download and see what speed you get
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18:37.44bingofuelcan i use the nas0 interface with shorewall?
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18:37.55bingofuelfor share te inetrnet conecction?
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18:39.17simonrvnwhat's a nas0 interface?
18:39.22earthianxand, i dont know
18:39.33bingofuelinterface por a usb modem :S
18:39.37bingofuelfor a usb modem
18:39.38simonrvnand if it's your external one, you probably can
18:39.42simonrvnah ok
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18:39.56xandearthian: that was a suggestion.
18:39.58bingofueli can't share the internet with xp
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18:40.52karmatronicbingofuel: XP sucks
18:40.55bingofueli know, but i have machines with xp, mi sister don't want to change :D
18:41.06bingofueland my father won't too
18:41.08earthianxand, thanks... that is a good suggestion that did not poped in my head...
18:41.16simonrvnthen you need a router and a hub or switch
18:41.42simonrvnrouter can be some linux box with 2 NICs in it
18:41.43xandand cake
18:41.50xandSPECIAL MAGIC CAKE
18:41.51simonrvncake, for the slow parts ;p
18:41.52xandwith chocolate
18:41.59simonrvnof course, chocolate
18:42.18bingofueli have the debian server, trying to work like a router, coneccted to a siwtch, coneccted also to 3 machines
18:42.57simonrvnok, so you have modem <-> router <-> switch <-> 3 machines ?
18:43.03bingofuelyes
18:43.11simonrvnyou're on your way then
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18:43.24simonrvnmight want to see lartc.org
18:43.31DX2what is debian?
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18:43.34bingofueland if i connect intenret in xp, debian can connect perfectly trough the net, but i cant share the conecction with the sebian server
18:43.34simonrvnand the iptables howto
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18:43.40Ronin!debian
18:43.41dpkghmm... debian is http://www.debian.org.  See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
18:44.10simonrvnforget about xp being any sort of router... connect via your debian box
18:44.30xandmy debian router is naughty
18:44.36bingofuelit's what i'm trying to do :D
18:44.40bingofuelabaout a month :p
18:44.41simonrvngood :)
18:44.47twisted`what's the newest kernel debian got in unstable?
18:44.54twisted`all I see is 2.6.8-*
18:44.59DX2is a SO
18:45.00DX2ok...
18:45.03simonrvnyou need to go see the iptables howto then =)
18:45.11bingofuelok, thanks :D
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18:45.36bingofuelwith the shorewall, i can't do it, can i?
18:45.41simonrvnyou can
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18:47.06bingofuelok
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18:52.52skii want to change the system time on my box (since it is quite wrong), i assume i should use 'date -s ...' (with '...' being e.g. in same format as just 'date' gives me) .. i was wondering if changing time by a large amount typically will have bad effect on running programs (such as irc, etc ..) ?
18:53.47ski(and 'large amount' here is about 15 days)
18:54.16xandinstall ntp
18:54.18xand!ntp
18:54.19dpkgwell, ntp is the Network Time Protocol.  Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage.  Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already.  (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.)  See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information.
18:54.52skity, i'll look
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18:57.21phoggI have an old woody box. WHat do I need to change on it to not run into problems with the new daylight savings time stuff?
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18:57.50cipesalve a tutti
18:58.00Rydekull!it
18:58.00dpkgper aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org).  C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
18:58.02pipelinephogg: Install a redhat tzdata with alien.
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18:58.26phoggpipeline: that seems... drastic
18:58.32pipelinephogg: Stop using legacy shit.
18:59.06phoggpipeline: I see no reaosn to upgrade my fileserver. It has been working just fine for years with minimal patching.
18:59.30pipelinephogg: You don't see any reason to upgrade, but it pisses you off when you have to go to some trouble to patch it?
18:59.46pipelinephogg: Don't answer that.  It's rhetorical.  I'm mocking you.
18:59.57phoggpipeline: I am not pissed off. I find it odd that you syusuggest a redhat package for a Debian server.
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19:00.22rpcdoes anyone know about issues with realtek 8169 gbit nic under stock debian Etch kernel? it seems to timeout and cause problems, as far as i know there was a patch for that before for older kernels... how about 2.6.18.3?
19:00.34pipelinerpc: I suspect your problem is just realtek :(
19:00.36rpcor perhaps problems are gone in 2.6.20.1? anyone?
19:00.45pipelinerpc: I would pick up a new NIC.
19:00.49rpcpipeline no, it's about irq handling
19:00.50rpci can't.
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19:00.55phoggI am not familiar with timezone handling stuff, really. I was hoping there was some manual configuration I could do to inform my server of the new reality.
19:01.19pipelinephogg: You can change what time it is, but old file timestamps will all be wrong.
19:01.30rpcpipeline it's realted to the mobo that is KT800 based and APIC
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19:01.47rpcthat's what i know, not much else though
19:01.48pipelinephogg: You need to update tzdata.  The easiest way to do that is to use a redhat package, which contains nothing other than the tz data.
19:01.53pipelinerpc: Disable APIC? :P
19:02.07pipelinerpc: IRQ issues can still be blamed on realtek ;)
19:02.11rpcif i do this there will be no irq routing which is bad on SMP
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19:02.21phoggpipeline: I see.
19:02.30phoggpipeline: thanks for the information
19:02.37rpcbtw only SMP machine is affected, same realtek works very well on single core box
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19:02.52rpcanyone knows about this issue? might be a trivial fix to do
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19:03.22pipelinerpc: It is not trivial to hack around badly designed hardware.
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19:03.44pipelinerpc: I would try a NIC that isn't made by a vendor reknowned for cheap, awful products.  Failing that, live without APIC.  *shrug*
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19:03.51rpcpipeline mate, i know that realtek isn't the damn best around but it's not an advice to tell me to trash it
19:04.04rpcpipeline i said i can't do that right now and have no other choice
19:04.18tp76rpc: what issue are you talking about (just joined)?
19:04.19pipelinerpc: I do not think you will find your problem miraculously fixed in a future kernel.
19:04.19rpcplus gbit rtl isn't really this bad as older ones
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19:04.42pipelinerpc: You're using a realtek NIC with an SMP chipset by VIA.  There's all kinds of pain to be had.  Enough to keep the whole family wincing.
19:04.44rpctp76 i'm having issues with realtek 8169 on SMP machine, eth0 tends to timeout from time to time, when there is a high traffic
19:04.51Kevin`an smp related bug in a driver definitely could be fixed in a newer kernel
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19:05.01Kevin`assuming it's the driver..
19:05.09phoggpipeline: would it work to copy the tz data from a properly updated etch box?
19:05.12rpcpipeline what are you trying to tell me? you are not helpful at all, just telling me to trash whole machine, thanks for your input
19:05.21pipelinephogg: Sure, why not?
19:05.23rpci can do that myself anytime
19:05.41pipelinephogg: You could also install a debian tzdata with --force-all, but that would be an annoyance every time you used apt afterwards.
19:05.46rpcKevin` hmm i hope so... i even know that SOME kernels were not affected at all
19:05.56phoggI don't know. Timezone handling in Linux is unknown to me
19:05.57rpcKevin` there isn't much info on that though or i just can't find it
19:06.00dummyabyone know how to get rid of badwindow and badpixmap?
19:06.01pipelinephogg: IF the alien solution is offensive, extract the debian tzdata with dpkg --extract-only or whatever and use equivs to generate a pseudopackage.
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19:06.14phoggpipeline: now that answer I like a lot more. Thanks!
19:06.16tp76rpc: oh.  Well, I've got quite a few RTL NICs in use and noone is causing any trouble.  Even that crappy 8029 10Mbps PCI on my Core 2 is working fine.  Guess that wasn't helpful, though.  I was just curious ;-)
19:06.31pipelinephogg: Timestamps are stored in an absolute offset from time_t zero.  Timezones are complicated because you have to manage what time a timestamp appears to be based on its date :P
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19:06.36rpctp76 oh so nice to hear from you then, i thought i was the only one with RTL :)
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19:06.50Kevin`02:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
19:06.54Kevin`as luck would have it
19:06.56Kevin`i'm using smp too
19:07.05Kevin`2.6.19.2 currently
19:07.06rpcKevin` hm what mobo chipset?
19:07.10Kevin`intel
19:07.12rpc2.6.19.2 you say, btw...
19:07.13tp76Well, they're cheap and they're well supported (in my experience).  I'm only using this until Linux decides to support my Attansic L1 Gb chip (which seems to be 2.6.21).
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19:07.35Kevin`yes I know there's newer then that available
19:07.39Kevin`I just haven't bothered yet
19:07.40rpchrhm perhaps i should give a newer kernel a try
19:07.53rpci can't believe that 8169 isn't fully supported so far
19:08.02rohanrhuhello
19:08.14tp768139 has been supported for quite a while.  I doubt a newer kernel will help (unless you're running a really old one)
19:08.14rohanrhustartx error :(
19:08.21rpcthis is what i get from time to time, then it all freezes and i need to do a remote reset: kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
19:08.45rpctp67 i mean 8169, not 8139... different chipset, it's a gbit nic
19:08.58tp76Oh ..
19:09.00dummyany ideas X Error: BadPixmap X Error: BadMatch or hints ?
19:09.16rpcit has to do with traffic... no traffic or a little - no problem, the more traffic the more problems and it dies in the end
19:09.20Kevin`lots of people have had issues with realtek nics though, you won't find many that will recommend it for a server
19:09.41Kevin`(regardless of os)
19:09.49rpcKevin` i have no choice right now, can only speak with staff tmw and tell them to replace the nic but they might want me to pay extra for it
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19:10.13rpcit's a microstar mobo with built in 8169
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19:10.23peteweezrohanrhu: what kind of error?
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19:15.58tp76rpc: what version of Linux are you running now, BTW?
19:16.52rpctp76 that box is running Etch
19:17.00rpcwith 2.6.18.3-k7 kernel
19:17.00tp76So 2.6.17?
19:17.06rpc18.3-k7
19:17.39rpci'm googling like crazy and all i found is some kind of patch for netdev but that's for older kernel
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19:17.51rpcit's exactly related to this problem so the issue is known
19:18.07tp76Ah.  Well, grepping the changelogs for .18 - .20 indicates quite a few updates for 8169.  Might want to try 2.6.20.
19:18.15rpcoh really?
19:18.26rpcdamn i didn't even think of grepping tru changelog for 2.6.20
19:18.29heviartianyone here ever used a spaceball?
19:18.37tp76"activity", so I'm not sure what's been done.  Might inspect those Changelogs closer.
19:18.39rpctp76 that's really nice of you - my heart goes boom now :)
19:18.59rpcANY update for 8169 rings the bell at once
19:19.29rpcso you say that there are multiple changes to 8169 after .18?
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19:20.53tp76I just quickly grepped .18 through .20.  Seems to be changes.  Again, I've not read the actual Changelogs.  ftp.kernel.org or www.kernel.org and start reading ;-)
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19:21.43peteweezSomebody wanna help me configure exim4 for multiple smarthosts based on sender address?
19:21.43rpcya :) thanks very much i'm so pumped now lol
19:21.43rohanrhux error httpp://rafb.net/p/R886pX97.html :(((
19:21.45rpchopefully they just fixed it in .20
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19:21.47rpcbrb
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19:22.29maddashromeo that's not cool - stop pinging.
19:22.52Kevin`he got his punishment already from 400 messages in less then a second
19:22.55Kevin`:)
19:23.00rpclet's report that bastard
19:23.14Kevin`it's not worth it. nor is pinging a destructive act
19:23.17rpc!ops Romeo- mass pinging
19:23.17dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: rpc complains about: Romeo- mass pinging
19:23.21Kevin`it hurts him more then us
19:23.32rpcyou never know why is he doing that
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19:23.40pipelineWhy do you give a shit?
19:23.43Kevin`probably accidental, why else?
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19:23.52rpcbecause i care, pipeline
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19:24.08Kevin`;p
19:24.27rpcit was a bot imho
19:24.32rpcand he did it for a reason, mean one
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19:24.38Kevin`well, I don't care. for my client it was only one message and one response, no harm
19:25.09rpcyes, it usually looks like that
19:25.15Kevin`it IS like that
19:25.29rpcno it's not, most good attacks look innocent
19:25.41rpcand people are like "uh, why should i care"
19:25.56Kevin`show me the full text of his packet then. remove the leading and traling 0x01
19:26.08rpcwhile he might be just digging tru 1000s of hosts right now
19:26.41rpclook, someone who joins in, pings everyone and leaves in a sec isn't something to ignore
19:26.48rpcit's strange imho
19:26.58CAiROwhy does logcheck by default report lines like "CRON[8345]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root"
19:27.10CAiROi mean why could this be a problem?
19:27.15Kevin`it's strange because it's pointless ;)
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19:27.28rpcno it's not pointless, i can imagine the reason for which he did that
19:27.31rpcor "it" rather
19:27.43Kevin`looking for clients that don't behave properly?
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19:27.58rpcand that's why i reported him - because i knew what could be behind that, people often get banned for this behaviour on other networks
19:28.19rpcKevin` yes, for instance that
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19:28.40Kevin`it would be more profitable to request VERSION then. ping responses will be identical
19:29.02heviartior he coul just be a dumbass and havce pinged the chan and not a user.
19:29.05rpcit might have joined like 20 channels like this at once and ping there too, this gives him several 1000s of potential victims to explore further
19:29.20rpcheviarti yes and ops will check that too...
19:29.31Kevin`you do realize that ALL a ping message is is "PING 10000" for example
19:29.35Kevin`explore?
19:29.37Kevin`sure.
19:29.55rpcplease, i spent over 8 years on irc... seen alot and did alot :)
19:30.06rpcoh it's 9 years actually :)
19:30.13hark!alot
19:30.14dpkgYeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word.
19:30.14heviartirpc: I was in the 1996 war on the undernet
19:30.31Kevin`it would be better to say something like hello0x01PING 1000x01hello, that would differentiate clients a LOT more
19:30.37rpcheviarti we are both veterans then :)
19:31.04heviartirpc: remember script.ini?
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19:31.08rpcheviarti sure
19:31.28rpcit looked so innocent too :)
19:31.45Kevin`rpc are you actually using the old crappy version of mirc you appear to be using?
19:31.58rpcnot really
19:32.04Kevin`thank god :)
19:32.08rpcbut i like to catch people's attention
19:32.46rpcin fact you don't even know what client i use :) and you won't ;)
19:33.22tp76We all know you're using mIRC anyway ;-p
19:33.22peteweezCan I get some help configuring exim4?
19:33.26Kevin`don't trust it? :) i'd heve thought you wrote your own after 9 years
19:33.37heviartirpc: all script.ini did was propagate itself.
19:33.37rpctp76 that's what you see :) you sure i'm on mirc? :)
19:34.18heviartienh. if he's on a mirc that old.. hit him with script.ini and see what happens.
19:34.32rpcyes, hit me :) i want to see that too :)
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19:34.51Kevin`I doubt many people in #debian would care to keep an old exploit for a windows irc client
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19:35.23heviartiI have a copy on my win 3.1 box.
19:35.27LunarCrisisis there a program I can use to convert text from EUC-JP to UTF-8?
19:35.42rpci'm not on mirc plus i never irc from real box... just a stupid virtual one
19:36.08tp76mIRC.
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19:36.23heviartirpc: i could irc safely.  All I have to do is start my VAX.
19:36.39rpctp67 don't you know that /ctcp version reply can be faked to hell and back?
19:37.01tp76rpc: ofcourse I do.  I'm just trying to get you to admin you're using mIRC.
19:37.05tp76*admit
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19:37.12heviartitp76: real mirc says "Khaled Mardam Bey" in the version response..
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19:37.44Roninwhich can also be faked
19:37.50rpc:>
19:38.07CharminTheMooseis xvidcap in debian?
19:38.13CharminTheMoose's repositories?
19:38.16heviartiRonin: true. however, you're more likely to recieve a fake response that's missing some detail than a real one.
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19:38.31Kevin`perhaps someone should integrate rsa challenges into version :)
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19:38.38heviartiCharminTheMoose: just use xawtv?
19:38.53CharminTheMooseheviarti: xawtv?
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19:39.13tp76I doubt that'd reach the RFC ;-)
19:39.15Romeo-sorry
19:39.18Romeo-(:
19:39.19heviartiyou can capture video from a supported source with it
19:39.32earthian:/
19:39.37earthiani use some xchat
19:39.39ttyp0hi there, does anyone know if there is any problem with Etch default kernel and USB 2.0 hub
19:39.51ttyp0my dmesg says "connect debounce" errors when plugging it
19:39.51earthianit does the job tho... i can talk and read :D
19:40.04earthianttyp0, no
19:40.08earthianno errors here.
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19:40.36ttyp0i'm trying to plug a Belkin 2.0 USB hub with 4 bluetooth adaptors
19:40.43ttyp0and it does not work
19:40.50ttyp0it says the "debounce" errors
19:41.00ttyp0but, on another machine which has no ehci ports, it works okay
19:41.01CharminTheMooseare there any other ways for me to capture my screen?
19:41.26ttyp0how can i make the hub use ohci module instead of ehci?
19:41.41h3sp4wnCharminTheMoose: Make a screenshot ?
19:42.04h3sp4wnCharminTheMoose: Capture which screen ?
19:42.05Kevin`ttyp0 if you suspect it's a linux problem you could just try a newer kernel from kernel.org
19:42.12Kevin`ttyp0 i've never had a problem with usb though
19:42.37CharminTheMoosemy entire Window manager in any video format
19:42.41ttyp0kevin: yes that's what i thought... it's not normal...
19:42.54ttyp0i'll try to build a new kernel...
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19:43.21tp76CharminTheMoose: import from ImageMagick.
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19:43.24earthianttyp0, if its a usb pci card you can use search manufacturers site for drivers?
19:43.41Kevin`earthian usb host drivers are very standard
19:43.48tp76Oh, video.  nm.
19:44.00ttyp0and one more thing... if i still get troubles when building the new kernel, and i disable ehci support from the kernel, all usb devices will work okay with OHCI driver?
19:44.18Kevin`ttyp0 should yes. but that will of course be slower
19:44.29h3sp4wnCharminTheMoose: I have used screenkast before (easy to use)
19:44.30earthianKevin`, tell this to some hardware maker-freaks :/
19:44.44ttyp0kevin: no prob on being slow, i need them to work only heheh
19:45.00CharminTheMoosecould I use imagemagick to make a bunch of files and then string them together with mencoder?
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19:45.10^rob^hello
19:45.13peteweezCan somebody help me configure exim4 for multiple smarthosts?
19:45.39Kevin`earthian never seen it myself, but I suppose it shouldn't suprise me too much to see a manufacturer ignoring specifications :/
19:45.41empathwhat does this mean: girl talking: baby your ship has come in
19:45.50empathwhat does that mean=
19:45.52empath?*
19:45.55croddytime to go?
19:46.02empathno
19:46.03empathwasnt there
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19:46.08empathi mean, not active :P
19:46.11croddysomething big has arrived?
19:46.21empathhm dont know :P
19:46.23croddyi dunno, have you checked the jargon file?
19:46.26empathoh well
19:47.06^rob^i need a little help on port forwarding -> WAN 10330 to 10370 to 192.168.1[30 la 70]  -- can i use some --range option or whatever? - i dont want to add 40 lines by script or hand --- ex: port 10330 will forward to 192.168.1.30:5900
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19:47.38heviartiCharminTheMoose: wanna video your screen?
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19:47.48heviartii figured out how to do that ten years ago
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19:48.15tp76That's probably because you needed to do it ten years ago, and he needs it now.
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19:48.41CharminTheMooseand how would I do it?
19:49.24heviartiCharminTheMoose: get a tv card and a scan convertor. hook the second head on your video card to the scan convertor, and run it to your tv card. record with xawtv.
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19:50.03h3sp4wnCharminTheMoose: use http://sourceforge.net/projects/screenkast/ (some paid me once to compile it for them so I did - simple to use)
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19:55.28khermans_anyone here familiar with installing Grub on a USB stick?
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19:58.42tp76khermans_: grub-install doesn't cut it?
19:58.59khermans_tp76, well i also want systems that boot USB to work
19:59.03jonas_larsonhi all, I need to do some redirecting magic... I can't change the DNS info right now but I still need www.foo.org to go to 1.2.3.4...
19:59.07khermans_tp76, doesnt that require a fat16 partition
19:59.36Rydekulljonas_larson: can you control the apache webserver?
19:59.41jonas_larsonyes
19:59.51jonas_larsonRydekull, sorry -> yes
20:00.35Rydekulljonas_larson: well, either make a simple html/js-page, php-page or use something like... mod_redirect(I think that's its name)
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20:00.51jonas_larsonRydekull, I need to keep the www.foo.org with me to the new ip (so that apache server will server the right page)
20:01.14Rydekulljonas_larson: oh, mod_proxy I think it's then
20:01.41jonas_larsonRydekull, any examples? ;)
20:01.53Rydekulljonas_larson: yes google, apache mod_proxy
20:02.01jonas_larsonRydekull, well put...
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20:03.08Rydekulljonas_larson: I will not give you exact answers, you'll have to do the actual work/reading yourself. But i'll gladly point you in the right direction :)
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20:04.03Rydekulljonas_larson: mod_proxy is what you seek though. I served a webpage with it some year ago
20:04.26jonas_larsonRydekull, I'm googling...
20:05.03Rydekulljonas_larson: I gave you the exact thing you need to find the page with apache :)
20:05.19Rydekulljonas_larson: Then apt-get the module and try and configure it :)
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20:08.16bbelt16a1hi peeps
20:08.24ewanm89bbelt16a1: Hi
20:08.32bbelt16a1whats the app for finding unique lines in a   file and  deleting them?
20:08.39Rydekullsed
20:08.42xanduniq
20:08.44bbelt16a1sed?
20:08.45bbelt16a1ok
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20:11.01CharminTheMoosequestion: if ffmpeg is spewing warnings about inlining failed in call to '' should I be scared?
20:11.08zophyhmmm... there is no sun java5 package for debian stable
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20:12.40DocPlatypusCharminTheMoose: let it compile and then run it
20:12.49DocPlatypusif they are just warnings you'll still get a binary to run
20:13.00wols_inlining is an optimization
20:13.14wols_so you have a slightly slower running binary. big deal
20:13.39wols_most probably the gcc version which ffmpeg was deved with didn't even mention it or couldn't inline that in the first place
20:13.46Rydekullwols_: you arent a gentoo-user :(
20:13.49CharminTheMooseanother one that is running down my screen is 'uvdxy' might be used unintialised in this function
20:13.56xandhow the hell do you type a tab character in bash?
20:14.06Rydekullxand: \t?
20:14.44wols_what has that to do with it? I know what inlining is and that the gcc folks always work on their compiler and make it more whiny with warnings
20:14.48wols_(which is a good thing)
20:14.54Rydekullwols_: it was a bad joke?
20:15.10CharminTheMooseuh oh, warning: called from here
20:15.12xandhow do I get echo to output one?
20:15.19Rydekullwols_: Never spoken to a gentoo riser?
20:15.20wols_besides: I type this on a PII 300. which I intend to make full screen mpeg4 capable
20:15.34Rydekullxand: echo -e "\tHello"
20:15.38xandlike, echo "foo\t"bar
20:15.45xandah, -e thanks.
20:15.46wols_for this I will compile everything mplayer touches with -O3 and various other gcc options. rice to the max :)
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20:16.22Rydekullwols_: they are still funny to discuss with, some are truly manic about it
20:17.13wols_already looking into icc (produces better code than gcc)
20:18.47bbelt16a1sigh it only does sucessive entries
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20:19.08bbelt16a1oh well it was worth a  try
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20:20.52CharminTheMoosearg, now everything is deprecated! noes!
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20:22.14wols_CharminTheMoose: why are you compiling ffmpeg again?
20:22.21CharminTheMoosei'm not
20:22.34wols_where do all the warnings come from then?
20:22.37wols_thin air?
20:23.13CharminTheMooserather, I'm compiling xvidcap, which after the ./configure stage seems to be compiling the ffmpeg encoder
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20:23.27wols_ah
20:23.59CharminTheMoosewtf, it's another configure script!?
20:24.25CharminTheMooseoh joy, time for 'make'
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20:26.31madd_mattMoose.c?
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20:29.21xanda chocolate moose
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20:32.31LightKnightHi there :) Scenario: Debian Etch, mozilla-plugin-vlc+iceweasel or galeon; the browser crashes every *second* page opened that involves the plugin. (this is totally reproducible.) Console messages apparently show no useful info. Any hint on how to track the issue? Debug options, strace, anything?
20:32.43Rasiotee1z0, :-)
20:33.12e1z0:-p
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20:35.28jelly-homeLightKnight: can you force vlc to use a specific output driver, say, x11 (or whatever that's called in vlc)?
20:35.36gr1ncheixerf
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20:38.36LightKnightjelly-home: I don't know how to do that, maybe triggering the config file may do? I'll look at it. Anyhow, on #videolan they say it's a known bug, I'm waiting for their word on the matter. Thank you for now :)
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20:40.56concept10anyone know how much approximate space you need for building a  kernel?
20:41.06DocPlatypus100 megs?
20:41.18DocPlatypuswild guess
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20:41.57DocPlatypusok probably more like 200 megs for the kernel, Linux
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20:42.28jelly-homeconcept10: 2.6? 300-500 MB
20:42.46jelly-home399312  /usr/src/linux-2.6.17.11
20:43.07jelly-homeand that's not with everything.
20:43.13concept10thanks
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20:43.33concept10another thing, do I have to compile it on the root partition?
20:43.48tp76concept10: you can compile it anywhere you like.
20:44.02tp76concept10: (and as an unprivileged user)
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20:44.45jelly-homeand on another machine ;-)
20:45.46concept10im trying to make a clear explanation on how to compile the kernel.. after 3 years on linux, still havent seen one yet
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20:46.01concept10you have a book dedicated to it
20:46.16KhapinHi. Has anyone tried to install an etch from floppies recently?
20:46.23concept10of course you have all of the documents needed in the package
20:46.37tp76concept10: "Linux Kernel in a Nutshell" O'REILLY.
20:46.39RydekullKhapin: I wouldnt know, the world is quite big, you should go and ask everyone
20:46.39xand!anyone
20:46.40dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
20:46.44jelly-homewoah, the untarred source for 2.6.20 takes 280MB by itself
20:47.15Rydekulljonas_larson: hows it going with mod_proxy?
20:47.18Kevin`jelly-home funny that the final product is usually about 1mb :)
20:47.34concept10tp76, I have that book, its too long but a nice read
20:47.44jelly-homeKevin`: it hasn't been a megabyte since maybe 1.2
20:48.01jonas_larsonRydekull, got it! Still some problem with auth against "protected" directories...
20:48.09Rydekulljonas_larson: good work
20:48.10Kevin`jelly-home it easily can if you only include what you need
20:48.36jelly-homeKevin`: I dare you to try it with 2.6 :-)
20:48.49Kevin`jelly-home sec :)
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20:49.08Kevin`root@kwzs:/tftpboot# ls -lh vmlinux.lzma.h.sync
20:49.08Kevin`-rw-r--r--  1 root root 832K 2007-01-03 17:40 vmlinux.lzma.h.sync
20:49.16Kevin`I think that's 2.6.19 or 20
20:49.23bzedjelly-home: and 500 after building the kernel ;)
20:49.32jelly-homeKevin`: no modules?
20:49.34CoweaterKevin`: include the modules you're using
20:49.56Kevin`-rw-r--r-- 1 eky eky 236K Mar  2 09:44 madwifimod.tgz
20:50.01concept10I wish the Linux kernel in a nutshell book came in one pdf instead of sep by chapters
20:50.16Kevin`but that isn't needed to boot or use the system
20:50.18Khapinthe installation process stops in the base install step, with the error "Realease file signed by an unknown key", and I can't go any further
20:50.23Kevin`just the kernel image works
20:50.26Kevin`at 800k :)
20:50.56jelly-homeKevin`: my custom i386 arched package has Installed-Size: 11440
20:51.19Kevin`hey that's you ;)
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20:51.54jelly-homeprobably more typical than a build for an embedded device. ;-)
20:51.55bzeddoes anybody know a decent git tutorial?
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20:52.20nn-mainhi to all i just got a new keyboard
20:52.23tp76concept10: "too long"?  It's less than 200 pages.
20:52.37Kevin`jelly-home ya for a desktop I include lots of extra modules I don't usually need, but i'm just saying it's possible :)
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20:53.17nn-mainhumm you mean 200 pages of modules ??
20:53.27jelly-homeKevin`: no, you said " that the final product is usually about 1mb :)"  :-P :-)
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20:53.42Kevin`jelly-home I meant the kernel image though, not modules at the time
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20:53.44n3klWhen using xen, xenbr0 is the bridge for the real eth0, true?  and xenbr1 is for the real eth1?
20:54.02Rydekull!tell x3kl about xen
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20:54.10petemcn3kl: its an arbitrary name
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20:55.16jelly-homeKevin`: meh, I just don't think usual and possible are the same thing, or that the kernel image is the whole thing (final product of a kernel build)
20:55.47CharminTheMoosedoes anyone know how to tell if ffmpeg that's included with xvidcap 1.1.4p1 has been configured to include audio?
20:56.14Ankman!seen pip69
20:56.15dpkgpip69 <n=piper@ip51.haverhill-highland.sfo.ygnition.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 16h 23m 57s ago, saying: 'yes'.
20:56.23Ankman!seen piper69
20:56.24dpkgpiper69 <n=piper@unaffiliated/piper69> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 40m 40s ago, saying: 'every time i tar zxf the file and goto the dir and run make i get an error and then all the file on that dir disappear'.
20:56.29Kevin`jelly-home I don't usually have many kernel modules, I build everything into the kernel that is required and always in use
20:56.39concept10tp76, like I said, too long
20:56.47RydekullSportChick: is there anything wrong with keeping one nick for more then one hour?
20:56.48n3klpetemc: so do I need a vif statement in the domu.cfg for each real interface?
20:56.49binfalsehello
20:56.51stonedanti man
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20:56.55xeQteryo
20:56.56stonedI fucking hate people
20:56.59stonedconcept10: what sup
20:56.59petemcCharminTheMoose: ffmpeg --help
20:57.03stonedpetemc: !
20:57.03binfalseok
20:57.05xeQterno
20:57.08SportChickRydekull: hehe, nope :)
20:57.09petemcstoned: yo
20:57.10stonedwhattaaa
20:57.12stoned:D
20:57.19concept10stoned, nothing much
20:57.26stonedbeer
20:57.35stonedcold delicious beer
20:57.41CharminTheMoosehmm....
20:57.46stonedmmm yum
20:57.53stonedthat is refreshing
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20:58.16stonedso I installed asterisk and got a free online phone nubmer somewher ein washington
20:58.29stonednow I gotta setit up all the way and get my internation calling working for free
20:58.30petemcn3kl: if you want to use it you'll need to tell xen as much, check the xen networking wiki
20:58.30tp76concept10: so you've read the book and you still don'tk now how to compile a kernel?
20:58.37stonedI'm aying skype 14 cents minute to call india
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20:59.00stonedconcept10: ahh compiling kernels eh
20:59.11stonedconcept10: fun stuff, took me a week of reading before I attempted anything even
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20:59.38concept10tp76, I didnt say that, Im saying i want to rewrite it, make it concise
20:59.39ma3xdebian rules
20:59.44ma3xthe best os in the world
20:59.53stonedma3x_sucks
20:59.54stoned:D
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21:00.24n3klpetemc: I have several times.  Its confusing... vif, peth, veth, xenbr... ahhh!
21:00.41stonedn3kl: did you check out my hydrogen tracks I made
21:00.46jelly-home... a subliminal message in every package source!
21:00.47stonedpretty simple and basic but I'm still learning
21:00.55abrotmansussudio: see
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21:01.09n3klstoned: gimmie your site again?
21:01.10ma3xstoned: how's your mp3 song going?
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21:01.15Rydekullnosferatu :D
21:01.22stonedma3x: I have not setup any new software
21:01.35stonedabrotman: told me about rosegarden, so for a few days I been dicking around with it
21:01.37n05f3ra1uhi
21:01.38stonedstill haven't gotten anywhere
21:01.41n3klstoned: then I might have a couple more questions for you as to how you do it on linux... =]
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21:01.58stonedhttp://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/index.php?page=hydrogen
21:02.09stonedand apt-get install hydrogen
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21:02.49ma3xstoned: I mean the guitar stuff
21:02.57n3klstoned: yeah, I played around with it some last night... not too many drum kits though
21:03.10stonedma3x: well you want me to record ma3x_sucks_more.mp3?
21:03.21jelly-homewho's more?
21:03.22stonedn3kl: don't need but a basic 8 piece kit
21:03.38stonedjelly-home: magnitude of suckage
21:03.38stoned?
21:03.51jelly-homestoned: eh
21:03.55stonedn3kl: default kit in hydrogen has all you need
21:04.14stonedwell for a metal/rock program
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21:04.22n3klstoned: thats all you use?
21:04.25stonedyup
21:04.27yanggpg --export <key-id> -a -o file.txt   doesnt export the public key well in ascii format?
21:04.35stonedI have a link to the eastern percussion kit, tabla
21:04.37gurui'm in the process of checking in my source code to cvs and i want to keep the current versions of the various files as a "stable" branch; what would be the best method for this?
21:04.40abrotmann3kl: there are extras at the hydrogen site
21:04.51stonedn3kl: there are tons of extra ones on yeh abroman bea tme
21:04.53stonedto it
21:04.54abrotmanguru: you want to tag them
21:04.59abrotmanguru: ask #cvs
21:05.12guruabrotman: ok, thanks
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21:06.44n3klwhy does it sound like my computer is having to catch up when I play a track, like the buffer it not big enough or something?
21:06.56n3klin hydrogen that is...
21:07.04stoneddunno
21:07.08stonedworks fine here
21:07.09concept10stoned, im about to send you some good drum samples
21:07.16ma3xstoned: you were working on your solo what happened?
21:07.23wols_guru: http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html
21:07.27n3klstoned: alsa?
21:07.28stoned##recording
21:07.37stoned!ot
21:07.37dpkg[ot] Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen.
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21:08.55stonedconcept10: just send it
21:09.19concept10stoned, do you know where they end up? :P
21:09.35stonedconcept10: yeh, mysite.com/music/concept10
21:09.35stoned:)
21:09.46stonedconcept10: go to ##recording
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21:11.34ma3xdamn, I didn't know // posts it on the chan
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21:13.28Ankmanhehe
21:13.36sussudio%fist stoned
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21:16.14abrotman!beer sussudio
21:16.16abrotman:)
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21:17.21concept10stoned, I will send in a minute (remember my music computer isnt networked) so im copying files over
21:17.44stonedconcept10: can we move the music stuff over to another channel?
21:17.46ma3xhey, when I click on some htt://link in skype, it opens iceweasel in 2 tabs (double)
21:17.51ma3xwhat's wrong? bug
21:18.06concept10stoned, im in ##recording, sorry
21:18.08Ankmanfuck is that late, and no beer opened yet
21:18.22Ankmanand wrong channel, oh i get sick or sumthin
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21:19.41CaspeR-Bzhello! How can I install realvnc server on debian with fluxbox ?
21:19.56abrotmanis it a package ?
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21:20.03abrotmanthere are vnc servers in debian
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21:20.22CaspeR-Bzwhat vnc servers ?
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21:20.51assasukassebetween gnomebaker and brasero which one is better
21:21.33Ankmanwhen i have xorg so i also need x11-common and this oder stuff?
21:23.02Ankmanwow internet is fast today, have 5k/s, like good ole dial-up *g*
21:23.32CaspeR-Bzabrotman .. what you suggest me to install ? I want to control my linux server from windows . cause at job we have installed only windows
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21:23.50abrotmanCaspeR-Bz: use ssh
21:23.56abrotmanyou don't need a gui to control linux
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21:25.23ChrisWhi all, I want to use postfix from testing (supports Dovecot's SASL implementation) but when I tried to pin it, I got a load of dependency errors, what should I do?
21:25.26CaspeR-Bzwell I need because I have some reasons ..
21:25.37tp76CaspeR-Bz: putty works fine if all you need is a shell.
21:25.40shaywin 1
21:25.42pythonichi! i get system freeze /sometimes/ when text scrolls in text-mode console in etch on AMD64.
21:25.44abrotmanChrisW: backports.org
21:25.49abrotman!amd64
21:25.50dpkgit has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq.  Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64, or http://64studio.com if you are doing audio/realtime ...
21:25.52abrotmanshay: are you broken ?
21:26.13shayabrotman, no, I'm just too drunk to hit the '/' before the command
21:26.21wadI just bought a bunch of parts, and I'm going to turn them into my first debian box (http://wadhome.org/wikiwad/Squashbot). It's going to run my websites, email, etc. A friend mentioned that Debian was getting read for a major release. Is this true?
21:26.25GuerinChrisW: mixing testing and stable won't work; you need to rebuild it against the libs in stable
21:26.33pythonichow do i stop debian/linux loading modules at boot?
21:26.37abrotmanshay: you did that last night too :)
21:26.38GuerinChrisW: check backports.org or /msg dpkg simple sid backport
21:26.42shayabrotman, and being drunk is a feature that comes once or twice a week
21:26.47wads/read/ready/
21:26.48abrotmanpythonic: /msg dpkg blacklist
21:27.04x_linkWill KDE SVN come to the Debian Etch repository?
21:27.15shayx_link, yeah, some day
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21:27.24x_linkshay: But not anytime soon right?
21:27.40shayx_link, don't know, when it's ready for that, I guess
21:27.47maddashmsg dpkg brownlist
21:27.48ChrisWanyone know when the next stable release is out?
21:27.55maddash!msg dpkg brownlist
21:28.01shaysure ChrisW !
21:28.05ChrisW(oh, and thanks for the advice, I'll have a look on backports.org)
21:28.07shay!tell ChrisW about WIR
21:28.16wad!tell wad about WIR
21:28.22Rydekull!tell maddash about msg the bot
21:28.25ChrisWheh, how helpful
21:28.28pythonicabrotman: i have installed neither hotplug not discover
21:28.30wadlol
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21:28.40maddashRydekull: :P i forgot about the '/'
21:28.45pythonics/not/nor/
21:28.50abrotmanpythonic: i bet one of them is installed .. or udev is
21:29.02pythonicyeah, udev is.
21:29.05x_linkshay: Okey =) Will KDE 3.5.6 come to the repo?
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21:29.14wadShould I wait a couple of weeks before downloading Debian installation media, or can do I do it now in perparation for receiving all my parts to build my new box?
21:29.19shayx_link, sure, WIR, SIYH
21:29.30wad!tell wad abou SIYH
21:29.43wad!tell wad about SIYH
21:29.43shay!tell wad about msg the bot
21:29.44Rydekull!tell wad about msg the bot
21:29.47pythonicsooner if you help
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21:30.03abrotmanwad: is it an external box ?
21:30.08x_linkshay: WIR, SIYH ?
21:30.16wadabrotman, What do you mean?
21:30.23wadhttp://wadhome.org/wikiwad/Squashbot <---- my new Linux box
21:30.28abrotmanwad: is an external box .. like a server . or a firewall ?
21:30.33abrotmanor an internal workstation
21:30.42wadOh, yeah. Internet facing. But it lives behind my appliance firewall.
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21:31.06wadSo, it's external.
21:31.11abrotmanwad: well .. it's up to you .. but i wouldn't do it
21:31.28x_linkshay: If I could help then I would done everything I could
21:31.30abrotmanwad: meaning .. i wouldn't go from sarge to etch right now on an external box
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21:31.34wadabrotman, "do it"? You mean, download Debian installation media at this point?
21:31.39wadAh.
21:31.39abrotman!sarge->etch
21:31.40dpkgEdit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.
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21:31.52abrotmanwad: but i wouldnt' do that on an external box until after release
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21:31.58wadAllright.
21:32.02wadSarge it is, then. Thanks!
21:32.12pythonicabrotman: ummm.. so i just put the modules in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist then?
21:32.27abrotmanthta's what it says
21:33.36DanDarehi there: I installed Apache 1.3.33, PHP and Mysql modules. My httpd.conf loads the PHP modules. Ive restarded apache So Ive created a simple php test page but it isnt loading. What can i do?
21:33.52abrotmanDanDare: what happens ?
21:34.11DanDarethe browser ask for sdownload the page instead of open it
21:34.17RydekullDanDare: libapachemod-php(4/5) ?
21:34.19DanDarebrowser is IE
21:34.23DanDarephp4
21:34.26abrotmanDanDare: clear the browser cache .. restart the browser
21:34.34abrotmanDanDare: did you install libapache-mod-php4 ?
21:34.37DanDareyeah
21:34.40abrotmanDanDare: clear the browser cache .. restart the browser
21:34.41abrotman:)
21:34.43concept10stoned, you still there?
21:34.44ChrisWabrotman: okay, I've pinned to the backport for postfix, but it's still complaining about the lsb-base package being too old
21:34.55abrotman!paster
21:34.56dpkgpaster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
21:34.57DanDareabrotman, ok I will try this
21:35.06Rydekullabrotman: hehe
21:35.07ChrisWis this as a result of my attempt to move to testing, or is there something else?
21:35.47DanDareabrotman: same thing :/
21:36.05RydekullDanDare: restarted apache since you've installed everything?
21:36.16RydekullDanDare: made sure the mod is enabled? a2enmod php4 could do that
21:36.17DanDareRydekull, yeah.
21:36.18abrotmanDanDare: is it external ?
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21:36.38RydekullDanDare: oh, you said apache 1.3.33, no a2enmod there :P
21:36.40ChrisWhurm, is there any way to find out what installed packages have lsb-base as a dependency?
21:36.40DanDareabrotman: i installed the php4 module for apache, using apt
21:37.04abrotmanDanDare: is the server external .. can i try it ?
21:37.16DanDarei think i have the modules enabled on the httpd.conf file
21:37.28wadOkay, I'm about to download DVD images (via torrents) of Sarge. But which one do I want? There seem to be three: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/bt-dvd/
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21:37.48wadWhat is binary-1 and binary-2?
21:37.55wadDoes it take two DVDs to hold Debian?
21:38.08wadAnd what's this update for?
21:38.09pythonichmmm... i blacklisted all modules from lsmod. reboot. $ yes # yes runs a few seconds then system freezes.
21:38.27abrotmanDanDare: check the apache logs and make sure there are no issues loading the module
21:38.31Rydekullpythonic: sure you dont got hardware problem?
21:38.42pythonicnew hardware.
21:38.46Rydekullpythonic: sure you dont got hardware problem?
21:38.48Rydekull:)
21:38.50DanDareabrotman: sorry, where i can find those logs?
21:38.57abrotmanDanDare: dpkg -l libapache-mod-php4 .. let's make sure it's installed
21:39.06pythonici can run memtest86+ for hours, no problem.
21:39.14abrotman!info libapache-mod-php4 sarge
21:39.18DanDareabrotman: It is.
21:39.23abrotmanDanDare: show me :)
21:39.25dpkglibapache-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-18 (sarge), Packaged size: 1576 kB, Installed size: 3156 kB
21:39.29pythonicthere's something wrong with scrolling text in text mode.
21:40.02abrotmanDanDare: only need to see the last line
21:40.13abrotmanDanDare: and the logs are in /var/log/apache/ .. unless you put them somewhere else
21:40.17DaveyBIs this the newest kernel?  2.6.18-4-686
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21:40.50dvsDaveyB: you can install linux-image-2.6-686 to always have the latest kernel
21:40.52DanDareabrotman: last line says: ii  libapache-mod- 4.3.10-18      server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag
21:41.07xandDucks.
21:41.11abrotmanbunnies
21:41.14DanDareabrotman: i will check the apache logs
21:41.15dvsfrogs
21:41.20xand:o
21:41.23RydekullDanDare: widen your terminal to get it to say the complete package name :)
21:41.24jonas_larsonRydekull, fixed the auth stuff as well. Tnx for the push in the right direction!
21:41.33Rydekulljonas_larson: Yay, go you! Great work!
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21:41.39abrotmanmy sparc asm prof explained masks with a lecture about painting ducks and bunnies
21:41.46Rydekulljonas_larson: you make me proud to be a swede :)
21:41.51abrotmanDanDare: and you are using apache1 .. corrent ?
21:41.53abrotmancorrect
21:41.54abrotman?
21:42.04xandRydekull: you're a vegetable?
21:42.04p00qany idea why update-grub might not find vmlinuz's in /boot?
21:42.08DanDareabrotman: correct
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21:42.16Rydekullxand: close, but not really
21:42.16jonas_larsonRydekull, likewise...
21:42.24Rydekulljonas_larson: ;)
21:42.41p00qthe vmlinuz's were installed with apt-get. update-grub isn't updating menu.lst to show the images.
21:42.47wols_p00q: cause it's /vmlinuz
21:42.53wols_´nothing in /boot of that sort
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21:43.06wols_there it's /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17.4
21:43.06p00qwols_: so do i need to ln -s /boot/vmlin* / ?
21:43.11jonas_larsonRydekull, need to take care of my family. Catch you on the rebound...
21:43.19andyHi, I'm running the live cd on a hard drive without an OS on it. How can I check out the contents of the hard drive?
21:43.21Rydekulljonas_larson: good luck :)
21:43.22DanDareabrotman: i can delete the apache logs? This way i can start tracking for now
21:43.26wols_p00q: no. you're supposed to install a deb made by kernel-package
21:43.28p00qwols_: hmm... so how does update-grub get its list of kernel images?
21:43.34pythonicis there some way to disable hardware scrolling?
21:43.38p00qwols_: these are debian kernels, not custom
21:43.47abrotmanDanDare: tail -f <log> ... restart apache and watch .. you'll probably want the error log
21:43.50p00q(official kernels)
21:43.52wols_then when you install them they get automatically added
21:43.57Rydekull!tell andy about mount
21:44.01p00qwols_: and they're not , hence my question ;-)
21:44.15wols_afaik it looks into /boot
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21:44.30wols_case in / there can only be a max of two images, which are symlinks anyways
21:44.43wols_and if they don't, it begs the question: what did you do?
21:44.48wols_how many kernels do you have?
21:45.18p00qwols_: that's what i thought... just one: vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686
21:45.29pythonicaha! no-scroll boot param
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21:45.56wols_if you install a new kernel, there must have been an old kernel before that. where's it gone to?
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21:46.15p00qwols_: i apt-get --purge removed it.
21:46.23wols_<PROTECTED>
21:46.41p00qright
21:46.52p00qhaven't booted to new one yet
21:46.59DanDareabrotman: my apache server listen on port 62002. Theres a error in log that says: [crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to port 62002
21:47.02wols_you like to do stupid things?
21:47.10p00q;-)
21:47.10DanDareabrotman: but the main page is working :/
21:47.23abrotmanDanDare: find out what is using that port .. and kill it
21:47.30GuerinDanDare: the error contains all the iinformation you need to fix it.
21:47.36pythonicyay! no-scroll works like a charm. i could run yes all day... if i wanted. which i don't.
21:47.36wols_cause if something goes wrong, which can happen vrey easily, you have an unbootable system
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21:47.54abrotmansighs ?
21:47.57pythonicoh shit! fuck! fuck! fuck! another freeze :-(
21:47.59wols_DanDare: man netstat
21:48.07abrotmanDanDare: fuser -n tcp 62002
21:48.16p00qwols_: right, true, but it should still create my menu.lst entries ... or else it's a bug. i suppose i could manually create them but i'd like to know why it didn't.
21:48.18p00qweird.
21:48.19DanDareabrotman: yeah, sorry english isnt my native language :p
21:48.19Ankmanbernard1: fwcutter
21:48.27abrotmanDanDare: not bad
21:48.35p00qi just installed the old kernel again and update-grub found THAT kernel, but still not my new ones.
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21:48.46wols_p00q: maybe some marker or something in menu.lst is missing now after you removed the last kernel
21:49.05wols_dpkg should actually bitch and moan if one removes the last kernel like when you remove libc6
21:49.11pythonichmm... i think i'll just try xserver and forget text-mode.
21:49.15p00qright... it did ;-)
21:49.26p00qwols_: hmm... or maybe your surmise about having to have a symlink  in / ...
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21:49.54p00qnope didn't help... still only the old kernel
21:49.59wols_doesn't make much sense cause as I said, there are at max 2 symlinks in / while you can have many more kernels
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21:50.10p00qright
21:50.23DanDareabrotman: the fuser output is: 62002/tcp:            1386  1395  1396  1397  1398  1399  1609  2009
21:50.40abrotmanthat's a lot
21:50.43Rydekullsounds like apache with the number of PIDs
21:50.50wols_abrotman: how many instances does apache listen on?
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21:51.06RydekullDanDare: kill all those PIDs, start apache, try again
21:51.13abrotmanlisten on or start up ?
21:51.19DanDareRydekull: roger
21:51.30abrotmanstart with the lowest number .. the others might be children and die
21:51.32RydekullDanDare: if you wanna know what the PIDs up you can look it up first ;)
21:51.36Rydekullprobably
21:51.36wols_abrotman: rhetorical question
21:51.42DanDarei will restart the system, the newb way
21:51.42justin!+open ports
21:51.42dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber>
21:51.51abrotmanwols_: it was ?
21:51.54pythonicyay! yay! watch me piss away my weekend on debian.
21:51.55DanDareRydekull: PS -a ?
21:52.08RydekullDanDare: ps aux, ps -ef, whatever you like to use :)
21:52.08justinthe other commands will automatically give you process names
21:52.14abrotmanpythonic: you could install i386 instead :) .. or possibly ask #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net
21:52.45DanDareps -ef rules
21:52.46justinpythonic: are you trying to use a framebuffer console?
21:53.11Rydekulljustin: I think you are funny. You always come and say things to people thats either already been said or that they know about :)
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21:53.52p00qmaybe try fuser -v -n tcp 62002
21:53.55pythonicjustin: i've tried no-scroll. should i try vga=something too?
21:54.01p00qand if you like it try -k instead
21:54.18wols_p00q: vga=ask
21:54.34p00qwols_: you mean pythonic: vga=ask
21:54.35p00q;-)
21:54.35pythonicwols_: thanks :-)
21:54.38p00qhmm.
21:54.59p00qso hmm... ok, i have the old kernel installed. i'll reboot and cross fingers. ;-)
21:55.26p00qmuch prefer lilo for this ;-) lilo is much better at catching problems before reboot. (the server is on another continent)
21:55.56Rydekullp00q: install lilo then? :)
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21:56.10wols_p00q: nah. grub is best. it's a bitch to install grub tho
21:56.14wols_but when it runs it's great
21:56.21Rydekullwols_: grub certainly aint the best :)
21:56.28Rydekull!best
21:56.29dpkgBest for what? Please define what you mean by "best".  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
21:56.43p00qRydekull: yeah... agreeed. it aint the best... it's best for desktops, but not for servers
21:56.54justinlilo certainly is a royal pain in the ass when something does go wrong
21:57.07wols_Rydekull: nonsense. grub is tha GRAND unified bootloader. GRAND, you hear me?
21:57.07Rydekullthat's why you have a autoreboot on any kernelpanic :)
21:57.10wols_it's simply the best
21:57.11pythonici tried 80x60... but then init: entering runlevel: 2 switches back.
21:57.22p00qjustin: lilo verifies successful kernel install much better than grub.
21:57.24Rydekullwols_: The name speak for itself, it's bull :) Anything named that is bull afterall :D
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21:57.44p00qbut grub is much more convenient!
21:57.47justinp00q: and if something goes wrong AFTER lilo is ran, you get stuck with a useless boot prompt
21:57.57p00qgrub handles software raid better though.
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21:58.27p00qjustin: true. but when a server is remote, the boot prompt is useless anyway. better to have verification of successful install BEFORE reboot
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21:58.38abrotmanserial console + grub
21:58.38justinp00q: that is, if you don't have a serial console
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21:58.49wols_p00q: not true. serial consoles work wonderfull with grub
21:59.02wols_and that console can be piped into another, hardwired system to run
21:59.03pythonicanother freeze }:-(
21:59.10p00qas with lilo... but  serial console is much more expensive on a remote server ...
21:59.11abecoHello, I have a little problem with wpa_supplicant, it seems not to work. When I configure it in /etc/network/interfaces restart networking daemon and see the /var/log/wpasupplicant.log can't see errors and when I try wpa_cli it says me that I can't connect... Can somebody help me? (it is ipw2200)
21:59.28abrotmanp00q: get an old PC .. make your own
21:59.35pythonicyes considered harmful.
21:59.36abrotmanDanDare: any luck ?
21:59.39p00qabrotman: this is on ANOTHER CONTINENT hehehe
21:59.45abrotmanp00q: so ?
21:59.48p00qgrub handles multiple boot drives better...
22:00.05DanDareabrotman: i just restarted entire system, there´s 5 apache PID´s started, this is normal?
22:00.06p00qabrotman: they're rented dedicated servers.
22:00.12abrotmanDanDare: yep
22:00.24DanDareabrotman: and i have the same fuser output
22:00.24p00qabrotman: cheaper to just have the thing reinstalled then mess around with serial console.
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22:00.59p00qi.e., grub is better if you have /boot on a /dev/md0
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22:01.09abrotmanp00q: if you say so
22:01.10DanDareabrotman: ha, after the system restart now the PHP thing is working.
22:01.13DanDarethank you guys
22:01.18p00qi'm not saying grub isn't better in some ways. but lilo is better in others.
22:01.18abrotmanDanDare: eh .. okay :)
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22:01.32pythonicvga=ask then 80x25 and no-scroll buys me some time but yes still freezes system in about 30 seconds.
22:01.36Rydekullabrotman: my guess is the PIDs we saw was another apache running that locked it up for him :)
22:01.37p00qunfortunately i have raid-0 on these disks and /boot on raid-0, so i have to use grub.
22:01.51DanDareabrotman: strange is that wasnt working by simple stoping and restarting apache
22:03.39abrotmanDanDare: it's possible that /var/run/ had the wrong PID in it
22:03.39abrotmanDanDare: your kernel is also out of date
22:03.47abrotman!depends kernel-image-2.4-386 sarge
22:03.47dpkgkernel-image-2.4-386: depends on kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386
22:03.50*** join/#debian micty (n=xinu@bzq-88-153-203-243.red.bezeqint.net)
22:03.53mictyI have a problem with ssh having about 8 seconds delay between login , and password prompts. I think it isn't reverse DNS since dig -x works quick.
22:03.56DanDareabrotman: apt-upgrade will upgrade kernel aswell?
22:03.57p00qthanks wols_ and everyone. gotta roll have a great weekend
22:03.57pythonicthis time on boot i get freeze at "setting console screen modes and fonts."
22:03.57wols_DanDare: no
22:03.57abrotmanDanDare: it should
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22:03.58dvsno
22:03.58justinmicty: you have any funny pam or libnss modules installed?
22:03.58abrotmanDanDare: if you ahve the correct pacages installed
22:03.58p00q/bye
22:03.59uggwarrunning 'valgrind ls -l' reports several memory leaks. anyone else experiencing this? i think its wierd...
22:04.02geo-rgemicty: dns not identifying every machine in your internal net?
22:04.10abrotmanDanDare: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-386
22:04.16mictyjustin: I don't know
22:04.17wols_ok, I always install the specific kernel version. if you install kernel-image-2.6 it will
22:04.28abrotmanyou're weird
22:04.28DanDareabrotman: well, i would like to make an entire image of the system first
22:04.32abrotmanok
22:04.47justin!+debug sshd
22:04.47dpkgTo debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222".  Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client.
22:04.48DanDarei have serious newbie limitations
22:04.51justinmicty: try that ^^^
22:04.54wols_is that "weird" bit directed to me?
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22:05.41geo-rgeDanDare: which could end up being resolved by reading time
22:05.50DanDaregeo-rge: i know
22:05.59wols_DanDare: and daily usage of linux
22:06.02abrotmangeo-rge: is that coming soon?! i want to hear Clifford again!
22:06.12DanDarewols_: indeed
22:06.32geo-rgeClifford the 10 story red cartoon doggy?
22:06.35DanDarepoint is that im just a poor man without resources and time trying to put up my business
22:06.39DanDareits good until now
22:07.09Ankmandamn
22:07.12geo-rgeDanDare: so you can't read and you can't pay someone to read to you
22:07.15geo-rgeI see...
22:07.17DanDareim forest engineer that priduced and host my own site, made my logo by myself and must go to field to measure trees
22:07.28DanDare:)
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22:07.30jlamr_what is /dev/shm
22:07.35mictydelay between debug1: PAM: initializing for "myusername" and debug1: PAM: setting PAM_RHOST to "10.0.0.13"
22:07.59geo-rgeI'm saying that you should make the time
22:08.03dvsDanDare: do you eat Raison Bran? ;-)
22:08.07DanDarethat´s the light. The magic about linux
22:08.08wols_jlamr_: shared memory
22:08.13dvs*Raisin
22:08.15geo-rgereason bran?
22:08.18pythonici've removed console-scree.sh from /etc/init.d/ and vga=ask and no-scroll but yes still freezes the system. this is etch on AMD64.
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22:08.39wols_pythonic: why do you think FB freezes a system
22:08.41mictyjustin: delay is between debug1: PAM: initializing for "myusername" and debug1: PAM: setting PAM_RHOST to "10.0.0.13"
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22:08.48wols_have you checked things like APIC, ACPI etc?
22:09.08pythonicyeah, i've tried noacpi
22:09.31DanDarei may be wrong, but since i have my apache running my basic page. i expect it can run 24/7 without any problems and pray to hackers stay away from me
22:09.37pythonicwols_: memtest86+ works for hours, but yes freezes the system in less than a minute.
22:09.46wols_is this in a LAN? if so,maybe setup an external syslog
22:09.48DanDarebut this is bit harder using windowz...
22:10.01wols_DanDare: untrue
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22:10.11DanDarewell, im abstracting. Anyway i will read more when can
22:10.12wols_but you're accustomed to windows
22:10.17geo-rgeDanDare: I'm not trying to be hostile here (even tho it may have initially seemed so); the thing is if you do any research yourself on this, you gain.
22:10.20wols_and windows changes were more gradual.
22:10.31Rydekullwols_: he said it was harder in windows
22:10.36DanDaregeo-rge: I know! thanks for the toughts
22:10.45geo-rgeresearch skills are VERY important with any open source thing
22:10.53DavidProck1981why the hell won't my debian etch let me hit logout (so I can restart)
22:10.55abrotmanthings are complicated
22:11.15DanDaregeo-rge: everything i did since now was by myself. and good people like you in this channel
22:11.17wols_abrotman: nothing a good sledgehammer couldn't fix
22:11.17DavidProck1981nothing happens
22:11.48abrotmanwols_: cats don't agree
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22:11.53DanDarei have research skills, at least i think so
22:12.08DavidProck1981oh well init 6 then
22:12.15wols_then those cats didn't have enough sledgehammer treatments
22:12.23wols_DanDare: shutdown -r now
22:12.27geo-rgeDavidProck1981: ctrl-alt-del? ctrl-alt-bksp?
22:12.35DanDarewols_: wtg
22:13.14geo-rgeWife Tells Girlfriend?
22:13.23Rydekullway to go, i'd assume
22:13.25DavidProck1981I know I can use ctrl-alt-bksp, but just a few min agao I restarted with the logout menu, and now it don't work, I was just wondering why
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22:13.53RydekullDavidProck1981: if it keeps on doing that, think about it, if not, shrug and continue like it havnt happened
22:13.56geo-rgeDavidProck1981: were you logged in as root before?
22:14.08DavidProck1981no
22:14.19DavidProck1981I never log in as root
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22:14.41itchiIf you want to watch the moon ....  http://www3.mira.be/webcam.jpg
22:14.44DanDareRydekull: shutdown -r now was the difference between a not working to a "Hoaah its working" state. So it´s a way to go in my newb and poor mind
22:14.46zcnetis there a way to reset my installation on debian, its just a mess now, i install apache2 and it wont even start :S
22:14.53DanDareim j/k a bit :)
22:14.56zcnetmy server is colocated..
22:15.05pythonichow do i set up external syslog?
22:15.07itchiJust refresh your browser
22:15.13DavidProck1981I've done hit the lohout button like 20 times now
22:15.17RydekullDanDare: I dont get why you told me that though :)
22:15.21DavidProck1981logout*
22:15.25abrotmanDavidProck1981: 21 is the charm
22:15.39geo-rgea newbie who has and uses research skills is on his way to being a guru
22:16.05DavidProck1981LOL LMAO 21 did not do it 22 did not do it but 23 did
22:16.06Rydekullzcnet: well, you can use debootstrap and install to another partition/disk
22:16.19DavidProck1981wtf was going on
22:16.48geo-rge!port 23
22:16.58DavidProck1981well later
22:17.18DavidProck1981WTF now it don't work again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!
22:17.45RydekullLooks like it worked?
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22:18.29stonedconcept10: I'm packing man
22:18.32concept10stoned, ping
22:18.36dvsstoned: awwwww
22:18.39stonedI got beera and booze and friends and we're packing my junk
22:18.53concept10stoned, that file is complete
22:18.57stonedok
22:19.05pythonicvga=normal no-scroll noacpi and yes still freezes. how do i set up external syslog?
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22:19.12stoned/public_html/music/concept1 > don't kill my bandwidth
22:19.15stonedhehe
22:19.25stonedwait this is #debian
22:19.30Rydekullyes
22:19.31concept10stoned, 200+ MB of acoustic samples
22:19.33n3klI am having trouble with xen.  I would like to domus to be able to use only eht1, so in the xend-config.spx, I have set the bridge to netdev=eth1.  Then when I reboot and fire up a comu, I cannot ping anything, like its not routing correctly.  What am I doing wrong?
22:19.36stonedconcept10: cool
22:19.42stonedI gotta go pack
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22:19.59Rydekulln3kl: didnt #debian-xen have the answer?
22:20.01rahulwahhooo
22:20.02concept10stoned, alright - good night and good luck
22:20.10rahuljust bought tickets to my birthday afterparty
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22:21.51rahultickets to my birthday party go on sale next week
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22:22.38geo-rgerahul: how much will you have to pay for those?
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22:22.53rahul$30
22:23.07rahul4 bands, 2 of which are amazing, and 2 of which are new
22:23.16rahulFreak Kitchen and Vanden Plas
22:23.25geo-rgethe new ones?
22:23.36rahulno, those are the established ones
22:23.41streunerwhat kind of music they play, classic? ;-)
22:23.46dvsheh
22:23.46rahulprog metal
22:23.52Rydekull!ot
22:23.53dpkg[ot] Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen.
22:23.54rahulso yeah, it's kinda classical :P
22:23.57Smoked1_Is there a way to have an exclude list for packages?
22:24.05rahulSmoked1_: exclude from what?
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22:24.15Rydekullinstallation i'd presume
22:24.16dvsrahul: not install them I assume
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22:25.34geo-rgehad someone who needed help fail to be seen?
22:25.38rahulFreak Kitchen is kind of a funk heavy metal
22:25.43streunerRydekull: Don't abuse the bot too much ;-)
22:26.12geo-rgeless abuse, more itchy trigger finger
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22:26.17rahulVanden Plas is pretty standard melodic/symphonic prog metal, so you could consider them classical music :P
22:26.34Rydekull!tell Smoked1_ about wajig
22:26.36rahuloops
22:26.43RydekullSmoked1_: I believe you can hold off packages with that
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22:26.44Smoked1_thanks
22:27.04bmsleight_If I think the documentation for package ajaxterm is missing some detail. (About setting up apache2 & ssl). What is the politest way to send this to the maintainer ? As a bug report ?
22:27.04rahulSmoked1_: do you want to prevent packages or versions of packages from being installed?
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22:27.20Smoked1_complete packages
22:27.34geo-rgebmsleight_: howbout a diff?
22:27.37rahulI think aptitude supports putting a package on hold, uninstalled
22:27.54rahulSmoked1_: but why?
22:27.55Smoked1_I'll check the man pages for apt again
22:28.02rahulif you don't ask it to be installed, it won't be installed
22:28.05rahulI said aptitude, not apt
22:28.07bmsleight_geo-rge: I have the diff - but the best way to send it to the maintainer ?
22:28.26rahulno, it doesn't. I was wrong.
22:28.29Smoked1_I am using a hosting control panel and it downloads sources on its own
22:28.47rahulstate p, hit =, state still p
22:28.50RydekullSmoked1_: stop using it would be the idea :)
22:29.01rahulwhat the hell does that mean?
22:29.18rahulSmoked1_: you can't prevent stuff that's unrelated to apt using apt
22:29.23Smoked1_Hosting customers like having a control panel
22:29.29streunerrahul: http://67.43.161.248:6001
22:29.38RydekullSmoked1_: change it's behaviour then
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22:30.13abecoHello, I have a little problem with wpa_supplicant, it seems not to work. When I configure it in /etc/network/interfaces restart networking daemon and see the /var/log/wpasupplicant.log can't see errors and when I try wpa_cli it says me that I can't connect... Can somebody help me? (it is ipw2200)
22:30.31rahulstreuner: cool
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22:30.53rahulstreuner: and www.progpalaceradio.com for you :)
22:31.12streuneroh dude, sometimes i got headaches from those streams, but sometimes they are just cool
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22:31.19rahulhehe
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22:31.38rahulI can see. Slipknot, Pantera... you gotta be in a specific state of mind to listen to that :)
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22:32.22rahulstreuner: prog palace radio has a wide range. mellow stuff to really heavy stuff
22:32.39rahulstreuner: they have a full listing of songs, you can browse and request
22:32.42geo-rgeunless they're being blasted from the house next door,,, in which case  you're -listening- to them
22:32.51rahulheh
22:33.05rahulactually, the walls in my building are rather thick
22:33.10rahulit's a 100+ year old building.
22:33.16streuneroh, better, Iron Maiden is cool Rock at least...
22:34.09rahulstreuner: edguy is a similar band you might like
22:34.27rahulheavily influenced by maiden, but a little like helloween, too
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22:35.05Hot_Babehi
22:35.15rahulmaiden's songs are very... academic... edguy's are about rebellion and drinking and being METAL mostly :)
22:35.15abrotmannot again ...
22:35.20Rydekullhaha
22:35.24rahuloy.
22:35.25Hot_Babeim here
22:35.29dvshuh?
22:35.32rahulno, you're not here
22:35.33streunerabrotman: too late..
22:35.34abrotmanHot_Babe: try #freenode
22:35.35rahulyou're there
22:35.38Hot_Babethe hottest babe on the net is here for u
22:35.43Hot_Babecome get me
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22:35.46abrotmanHot_Babe: do you have a question about Debian ?
22:35.48dvsha!
22:35.48RydekullHot_Babe: #freenode is much better
22:35.52Hot_Babeyea
22:35.53Hot_Babei do
22:35.56Hot_Babewhat is debian
22:36.03Rydekull!tell Hot_Babe about debian
22:36.05rahul!lebsian
22:36.10rahulerg
22:36.11abrotmanHot_Babe: this isn't a social channel .. try #freenode
22:36.15rahul!lesbian
22:36.16dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, lesbian is probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/
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22:36.21Hot_Babeoh ok
22:36.28Hot_Babeim so sorry about the misunderstanding
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22:36.35Hot_Babei thought this was a sexy chatroom
22:36.39Rydekullno worries, enjoy your time in #freenode :)
22:36.51Hot_Babeso only tech geeks here
22:36.51Hot_Babe?
22:36.56abrotmanyes .. now go!
22:37.01Hot_Babewow
22:37.05streunerdvs: hehe :-)
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22:37.17Hot_Babewhen its a gal here you say GO but when a guy is here u say OHHH YESSS
22:37.18Hot_Babewtf
22:37.19Hot_Babefa
22:37.20Hot_Babeg
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22:37.29Rydekullhah
22:37.34abrotmanidiots
22:37.45dvsmildy amusing
22:37.47streunertrolls
22:37.49Rydekullshould've gotten her to talk to dpkg in a pm
22:37.58Rydekullwould've been fun and educational for her
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22:38.05Hot_Babeim back
22:38.07itchiaptitude remove idiots; package not found  :-)
22:38.13abrotman!Ops Hot_Babe needs help finding a social channel
22:38.13dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: Hot_Babe needs help finding a social channel
22:38.21Hot_Babethe sexiest gal on the net is back in the chatroom
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22:38.30*** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@cpc1-barn5-0-0-cust895.brnt.cable.ntl.com] by peterS
22:38.30*** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS
22:38.37Rydekullaww :)
22:38.38dvsthx
22:38.41abrotmanpeterS: thank you
22:38.42RydekullThank you
22:38.54itchiSome got bad effects caused by the moon i guess
22:39.11peterSit happens
22:39.17streuneritchi: permant sundays for some folks out there... ;-)
22:39.23abrotmanpermanent ?
22:39.24abrotman:)
22:39.28itchihehe
22:39.29rahulhaha
22:39.48streuner!listkeys sunday
22:39.50dpkgFactoid search of 'sunday' by key (15 of 21): #debian always sunday ;; #debian eternal sunday ;; #debian permasunday ;; #debian sing sunday ;; #debian sunday ;; _default perma-sunday ;; _default permasunday ;; _default sunday ;; _default sunday 2 ;; always sunday ;; eternal sunday ;; perma-sunday ;; permasunday ;; sing permasunday ;; sunday 2.
22:39.59streuner!perma-sunday
22:40.00dpkgIgnore what your clocks might say: today is the Eternal Sunday.  See <sunday>.
22:40.13streuneroh dude, that was wrong :-)
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22:40.28streunerbut you guys what i meant ;-)
22:40.32streunerknow*
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22:40.48BUMBACLOTwhy should i use sid instead of sarge?
22:40.54dondelelcaroyou shouldn't.
22:40.58dvsBUMBACLOT: you shouldn't use sid
22:40.58dondelelcaroTrevie: ?
22:41.02streunerBUMBACLOT: /msg dpkg sid faq
22:41.05dondelelcaros/Trevie/troubled/
22:41.10rahulstreuner: PermaNT: Persistent Shared Memory for Windows NT/2000 Clusters
22:41.11rahulheh
22:41.16abrotmanstreuner: you realize that tells them how to get sid .. right ?
22:41.24itchiSorry for the OT, here you can watch the moon  http://www3.mira.be/webcam.jpg
22:41.36itchiHe is near gone :-0
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22:41.44Vasisthaisn't there a pretty easy way to make a machine into a repository for a local network?
22:41.45streunerabrotman: well, if you ignore every warnings and recommends sure ;-)
22:42.09geo-rgeBUMBACLOT: why do you ask? what is your goal? how much experience do you have with linux overall? mind putting some information and details into your questions?
22:42.09itchiF5 or refresh the browser
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22:42.47peteweezWill exim4 automatically use TLS to connect to my smarthost, or do I need to tell it to do that?  (Gmail's smarthost requires TLS.)
22:43.04Eulexpeteweez, you will need to configure it to do it.
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22:43.20peteweezEulex: OK...what is the setting for that?
22:43.35Eulexpeteweez, I don't remember, though I could try checking
22:44.14peteweezEulex: OK...I know I ought to RTFM, but some of it is just a bit cryptic.  I'm a n00b to exim4 configuration.
22:44.42geo-rgewell.. reading manuals is among your choices
22:44.43DanDareheh, its the moon eclipse today?
22:45.06VasisthaDanDare: yeah, in maybe 35 minutes
22:45.10Eulexpeteweez, in my config, I have hosts_require_auth = smtp.gmail.com \ hosts_require_tls = smtp.gmail.com \ port = 587 in the remote_smtp_smarthost section
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22:45.29DanDareVasistha: damn, i should move my ass out
22:45.54geo-rgewhere wiull the rest of you be without your ass
22:46.09peteweezEulex: OK, and I just put this in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template after commenting out the other parts about smarthost?
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22:47.47Eulexpeteweez, eh, you should keep the other stuff, these are just additions
22:48.01streunerabrotman: well, i read it this way, "You can't stop them using it, so best way to tell, follow all recommendations and don't *whine* in #debian" ;-)
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22:48.13abrotmanhehe
22:48.19dvswhy not?
22:48.21dvs;-)
22:48.57peteweezEulex: yeah, but it likes to define it in terms of DCsmarthost (a variable I think is set by debconf), and I'd just like to explicitly set it there...I don't feel like using debconf as a middleman.
22:49.44Eulexpeteweez, heh. that is, you want to configure exim4 manually, without using the templates?
22:49.54peteweezEulex: bingo
22:50.06tuvwxwhat is a good organizer (todo lists, tasks, hierarchical...etc) ?
22:50.15Eulexpeteweez, sorry, can't help you there, never done that. the templates always worked well for me.
22:50.22peteweezEulex: I'm willing to use the templates for the other parts...but I want to tweak the smarthost stuff on my own...I want a very unorthodox configuration
22:50.31jeffwheelertuvwx: for GNOME?
22:50.41peteweezEulex: I need to route to different smarthosts based on the sender address
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22:51.07tuvwxjeffwheeler, not necessarily, but that would be ok
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22:51.45Eulexpeteweez, sorry, I've just been doing very basic stuff with exim4, can't help with this
22:51.48peteweezAnybody intimately familiar with exim4 configuration
22:51.50jeffwheelertuvwx: personally, I just have a page in Tomboy Notes, but I would like to know something better.
22:52.04peteweezEulex: actually, you helped quite a lot by telling me how to select port and TLS
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22:52.56Eulexpeteweez, oh
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22:54.25pythonicyep. xserver freezes my system too.
22:54.41jeffwheelertuvwx: looks like Gat (Gnome Task Scheduler) might be good
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22:57.01kibaI need a quick answer on how to remove directories that have something in it
22:57.10geo-rge!ops MoNSTRiK channel spam
22:57.11dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: geo-rge complains about: MoNSTRiK channel spam
22:57.15pythonickiba: rm -fr /
22:57.15jeffwheelerkiba: rm -r dir/
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22:57.22kibathanks
22:57.48geo-rgekiba: be careful with that... it can have a very large effect
22:57.55tuvwxjeffwheeler, there is also gjots2, despite the ugly name ;)
22:57.57peterSdon't ever tell people to use rm -f blindly
22:58.08geo-rgeAND DON'T USE PYNTHONIC'S ONE
22:58.13peterSyou only use -f when you know why you want it
22:58.14streunerkika: keep your backup handy ;-) or just use '-i' as option
22:58.38Rydekullkiba: Dont use what pythonic said
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22:58.46peterScome to think of it, that's a +q offense
22:58.52abrotmanand he's gone already
22:58.59abrotmanoh .. nm
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22:59.05itchipythonic: What's the goal?
22:59.06abrotmanwrong person
22:59.13peterSitchi: he's +q now, he can't answer you
22:59.20itchipeterS: Good job :-)
22:59.24tuvwxjeffwheeler, hmm 'Gat is a front-end for "cron" and "at"'
22:59.27peterStelling people to 'rm -fr /' is not tolerated
22:59.38jeffwheelertuvwx: ah, sorry; didn't read through it enough
22:59.40streunerinsane
22:59.45kibaI did it anyway
22:59.46itchisure, it's very wrong
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23:00.32geo-rgesome dude had a 2mb-and-growing .plan file showing multiple stories and logs how he convinced people to do that
23:00.32kibawhat was pythonic suggesting to me anyway?
23:00.45geo-rgeto kill your entire system
23:00.45streunerkika: remove everything
23:00.46peterSkiba: he suggested that you delete your entire OS
23:00.47jeffwheelerkiba: basically, delete everything
23:00.54kibaoh
23:00.56itchikiba: Some crap, he is a big bastard, not listen to him
23:00.59kibaI didn't
23:01.02Rydekullkiba: "rm -rf /" will remove, recursively and force it to remove /, your "root" so to say, So dont use it
23:01.21kibaI figure / for for directory agurement
23:01.37Rydekullkiba: yes, that's where you usually put a directory
23:01.39mictyanyone understand nsswitch.conf?
23:01.43geo-rgeunless you like seeing your hd light go on but you get tired of it
23:01.45kibaI didn't nuke it
23:01.48jeffwheelerkiba: yes, but with a beginning slash, it's absolute; otherwise it's relative
23:01.48kibabut it was clos3
23:01.50abrotmanmicty: what about it ?
23:01.51Rydekullkiba: good :)
23:01.52peterSmicty: what do you want to know about nsswitch.conf?
23:02.02rpcanyone from Sweden around please? just a silly translation needed, i can't understand a few words
23:02.10Rydekullrpc: yes
23:02.11abrotmanmicty: it does have a man page too
23:02.13geo-rgebabelfish?
23:02.22mictyabrotman: I read the man
23:02.29rpcRydekull is it ok to pm you?
23:02.30abrotmanso what do you want to know ?
23:02.34Rydekullrpc: fine
23:02.52rpcthank you so much, just a sec
23:03.49mictyI have a delay in ssh, between login, and password prompts, and I found it has to do with PAM, I googled that this has to do with nsswitch.conf
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23:04.29mictyI have this in nsswitch.conf: hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
23:04.52mictybut I don't understand exactly what it means, and which software depends on it
23:05.36mictyThe addvice was to comment out dns stuf and use only files
23:06.40sfire||mousemicty: are you sshing on an internal network?
23:06.49mictysfire||mouse: yes
23:07.24sfire||mousetry adding a host entry to /etc/hosts for the system you are running ssh on
23:07.30sfire||mousesee if that takes care of it
23:08.49mictysfire||mouse: Yes it did take care of it
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23:10.59dummycan anyone help with X Error: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)
23:11.02mictysfire||mouse: so what should I do?  use hosts, or ?
23:11.14mictysfire||mouse: change nsswitch.conf?
23:11.16sfire||mousemicty: what ssh is probably doing is trying to find the host name for the server connecting.  files doesn't have the entry, multicast dns didn't either, and I'm sure your local dns servers don't either
23:11.39sfire||mousemicty: for a small network, I'd say use hosts
23:11.57sfire||mousefor a larger one, start using dns, and having reverse lookups also work
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23:12.49mictysfire||mouse: someone on #openssh told me to turn off the dns lookup since it isn't needed anyway. But I can't find the option for that.
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23:15.43mictywhich programs use nsswitch.conf?
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23:16.27sfire||mousemicty: just about all
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23:16.49sfire||mousemicty: for ssh, check out /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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23:17.12mictysfire||mouse: I did check, I'll recheck
23:17.15sfire||mouseUseDNS no is what you will need
23:17.22sfire||mousethen restart sshd
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23:17.41streunermicty: did you ever read what's in there?
23:18.51streuner-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 465 1999-03-11 17:48 /etc/nsswitch.conf
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23:20.18mictystreuner: nsswitch.conf? yes, also read the man, googled a bit. Don't know what it is for
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23:21.36bzedmicty: every program that's using libc6 to get infos about the things you can configure in the nsswitch.conf
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23:22.02tiHohi! see this site: _http://tattoo.clan.su   Free forum! (by Russia) (5 languages: russian, english, deutch, france,spain) ;)  and #freeforum
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23:26.15robin_szmmm .. nice moon!
23:26.31abrotman!moon robin_sz
23:26.47assasukassehi everyone, i wish to make a debian package out of source files, how do i do it? i did with checkinstall, and end up with a deb file, but if i want to do in the proper way?
23:27.03robin_szvery deep red now ... I shall play my moon song while I watch it
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23:27.50T7does anyone know if fakeroot_1.5.12 ever existed?
23:28.28abrotmanexisted where ?
23:28.30robin_szabrotman,  http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/
23:28.36karstenrobin_sz: Ah, eclipse is happening?
23:28.44T7like was it ever build.
23:28.49robin_szkarsten, yeah, its in full deeep red now
23:29.01karstenrobin_sz: Calif can't see it :-(
23:29.18abrotman!sdn
23:29.19dpkghmm... sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems.
23:29.22abrotmanT7: ^^
23:29.26robin_szI tried to photo it through the 'scope, but insufficient light
23:29.32T7I searched google for it and the mirrors but I can't find the package.  The reason why I ask is my buildroot was asking for fakeroot_1.5.12.tar.gz
23:29.42robin_szstill, you have the moon song there to enjoy instead
23:30.06sfire||mousekarsten: I can, via http://www3.mira.be/webcam.jpg
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23:30.30karstensfire||mouse: Heh.
23:30.54sfire||mousekarsten: sometimes being in .ca.us sucks, its just rare :)
23:31.03sfire||mousealmost 80 here
23:31.37T7thanks abrotman I found it
23:31.41Rprp<PROTECTED>
23:31.45karstensfire||mouse: 80 what?
23:31.50sfire||mousedegrees
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23:31.59karstensfire||mouse: LA/SD?
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23:32.10karstenIrvine.  OK.
23:32.23karsten(/whois tells all, sometimes)
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23:32.59sfire||mousekarsten: its funny, I grew up in Irvine, but I'm in LA county
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23:33.22karstenYour IP says Irvine, FYI.
23:34.09mueetch doesn' detect my sata drives, there's no /dev/sda, the chipset is nforce3, kernel is 2.6.20, sata supportis compiled into the kernel. what shall i do?
23:34.23robin_szpanic?
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23:34.45mue_bios and windows get them correct
23:34.51xinguetch doesn't have a 2.6.20 kernel afaik.
23:35.00Kevin`it does if you install it ;p
23:35.08karstenmue_: What kernel?
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23:35.11robin_szI had an etch netinstall fail to detect a raid array the other day
23:35.15mue_karsten, 2.6.20
23:35.16karstenmue_: SATA may be sda or hde depending.
23:35.20mue_self built
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23:35.30robin_szI thought the idea of hardware raid was that it just looked like an IDE drive to the ssytem??
23:35.30karstenmue_: Got SCSI built in?
23:35.41mue_karsten, dion't think so
23:35.42karstenmue_: Posting your config to pastebin might help here.
23:35.45Kevin`robin_sz a lot of hardware raid does, some doesn't
23:35.47karstenmue_: That would do it.
23:35.54Kevin`robin_sz which raid card you using?
23:35.55xinguself built kernel, self owned problem.
23:35.57mue_karsten: will check that out
23:35.58robin_szKevin`, 3ware ithink
23:35.58mictynow I have a delay after inserting the password on client debug1: Entering interactive session.
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23:36.44robin_szKevin`, I think my co admin then tried Ubuntu and jigdo and someting else, none worked
23:37.42Kevin`robin_sz seems silly to ask, but you had an array set up before you started the install?
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23:38.31mictyserver's debug1: server_input_channel_open: confirm session
23:38.31sfire||mousemue:  just straight disks, no raid in the bios, correct?
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23:39.10robin_szKevin`, wait, I check the emails my co admin sent me inbetween crying about it
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23:39.17Kevin`robin_sz which 3ware raid controller specifically?
23:39.35abrotman!sata faq
23:39.35dpkghttp://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/
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23:40.56assasukasseis there someone that can help me build a .deb package?
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23:41.15Kevin`probably
23:41.27abrotman!mg
23:41.28dpkgA simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or  http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar.
23:41.40mictyand with putty there is no delay
23:43.16Alam_Debianwhat is this gpc-20050331.tar.bz2 in gcc-3.3 source?
23:43.26sfire||mousemicty: without the -v or -d, it still delays?
23:43.42sfire||mousemicty: I'd then suspect that the ssh client is now delaying
23:43.52assasukassethanks abrotman however everything is simply dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot?
23:43.52dpkgmy pleasure, assasukasse
23:44.14abrotmanhehe
23:44.19abrotmaneverything ?
23:46.10assasukasseabrotman: seems more complex that i wished :D the good old checkinstall can do easier..but i dunno if is the best thing to do..
23:46.37h3sp4wnassasukasse: using cdbs is a compromise
23:46.38robin_szKevin`, sorry, no clue which card, just a 3ware raid .. apparently it did install sarge eventually, etch failed on some key signature thing
23:46.49robin_szKevin`, but disk io was only 1mbs
23:46.50assasukasseh3sp4wn: what is cdbs
23:47.25h3sp4wn!cdbs
23:47.26dpkgwell, cdbs is a build system for Debian packages based on Makefile inheritance. located at http://build-common.alioth.debian.org
23:47.27assasukasseh3sp4wn: i just want to have an easy packaging system to build 1-2 packages to give to my friends. but i want that they don't get problems in installing
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23:47.53Kevin`robin_sz that would make me suspect it had fallen back to bios or pio mode for some reason
23:48.05Kevin`though even then it should be faster then that actually
23:48.11robin_szright
23:48.19robin_szhow do we tell?
23:48.32Kevin`what is the controller/disk showing up as
23:48.38h3sp4wnassasukasse: Very simple - all you need to do is install dh-make cdbs debhelper (and whatever deps)
23:48.39robin_szmmmm .. not knowing
23:48.51robin_szim not ssh;d to the machine
23:48.58h3sp4wnassasukasse: actually also probably debuild
23:49.32assasukasseh3sp4wn: thanks because the link u sent me works, but all the liks departing from there are broken..
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23:49.46h3sp4wnassasukasse: untar the source - run dh_make --create-orig
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23:50.27h3sp4wnassasukasse: then run debuild -uc -us (you can fix debian/control if you want to make it cleaner but you don't need to )
23:50.30assasukasseh3sp4wn: says it can't find debuild
23:50.34Kevin`robin_sz if it's showing up as ide, hdparm -i /dev/hdwhatever would show some info. also check lspci for the identification of the controller
23:50.58h3sp4wnassasukasse: its in devscripts
23:54.09Kevin`robin_sz 3ware raid seems to be supported quite a bit back in the kernel versions, so it's odd you would have issues.
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23:57.14robin_szhmm
23:57.35robin_szI'll try and log in, should it escape from my co-admins office and make its way to a rack
23:57.38robin_szor iraq even
23:58.32jetscreamerwhat fun that was
23:58.46xingurobin_sz: most hw raid controllers are scsi block devices including 3w.
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