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| 00:03.51 | Skrot | Hi. Does anyone know if the "auth users" option in rsyncd.conf uses normal pam usernames/password or something else? |
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| 00:05.02 | Akuma_ | why is the php package dependent on apache? |
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| 00:05.33 | DanDare | Akuma_: maybe you trued to install the PHP apache module and not PHP itself? |
| 00:05.55 | DanDare | Akuma_: or PHP will need some web server? |
| 00:06.12 | DanDare | Akuma_: i just put PHP up today :p |
| 00:06.31 | Akuma_ | DanDare: i tried php5, and the apache module is called libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 00:06.56 | abrotman | maybe you want php5-cli ? |
| 00:07.12 | sfire||mouse | Skrot: turn it on, and test your user account. I know when I set up rsyncd, I made my own users/password file |
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| 00:07.35 | Akuma_ | DanDare: well its a bit bizzare that you MUST get apache with it .. |
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| 00:07.53 | Akuma_ | abrotman: i want the interpreter |
| 00:08.04 | Skrot | sfire||mouse: Right, it seems to be using special usernames/password |
| 00:08.05 | abrotman | for apache ? |
| 00:08.11 | abrotman | !depends php5-cli etch |
| 00:08.14 | khermans_ | is it possible to ensure that downloaded DEBs in the apt cache never stick around? |
| 00:08.15 | DanDare | Akuma_: i may agree. But if they constructed the package asking this deppendence is how it is |
| 00:08.25 | dpkg | php5-cli: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.4, libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), php5-common (= 5.2.0-8), libmagic1, ucf |
| 00:08.34 | abrotman | look ma! .. no apache! |
| 00:08.41 | DanDare | :) |
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| 00:08.56 | Akuma_ | DanDare: indeed. but i want to get it by itself |
| 00:08.57 | Caelum | php is evil, use a real programming language |
| 00:09.16 | Caelum | ..unless you need to run php crap |
| 00:09.26 | Akuma_ | Caelum: i agree with you. but i need a quick form parsing on a free host |
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| 00:09.50 | DanDare | so isnt tha hell |
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| 00:10.05 | mango | hi, in my last forum I enquired about securing windows form viruses. I was told " make 99% of your server hosted directories read only, then have an upload folder that has read-write and move the files into the read-only section". I cheked on google. I could not find a lead to a way that clarifies this in more depth. could any one please further help |
| 00:10.22 | abrotman | mango: this is #debian |
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| 00:12.34 | mango | abortman: I know, but I want to use samba to secure window.... |
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| 00:13.01 | assasukasse | h3sp4wn: sorry i had to restart x, what were u saying |
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| 00:15.08 | Skrot | sfire||mouse: Do you know if I can force rsync to only work over ssh? |
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| 00:16.15 | h3sp4wn | assasukasse: I haven't mentioned anything else - what don't you understand |
| 00:16.38 | sfire||mouse | Skrot: don't run the daemon, and maybe set the shell to something that only allows rsync to run ( if one exists, I think there is one called scponly ) |
| 00:16.38 | ljlolel | I have a .sty package file for latex. How do I install it? |
| 00:16.56 | assasukasse | h3sp4wn: i saw until u said about installing debhelper, and i did install all the packages u told me to |
| 00:17.05 | assasukasse | but what are the commands for building actually? |
| 00:17.12 | h3sp4wn | assasukasse: uncompress the tarball |
| 00:18.13 | h3sp4wn | assasukasse: go into the source directory - then run 'dh_make --createorig' - select the last option cdbs - and then just run debuild -uc -us |
| 00:18.32 | assasukasse | h3sp4wn: yes i did uncompress in /home/food/src |
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| 00:18.51 | assasukasse | h3sp4wn: how do i select the dir where the package will be installed, i mean the binaries... |
| 00:19.31 | h3sp4wn | assasukasse: It is done according to the debian Makefile and debian policy |
| 00:19.57 | h3sp4wn | assasukasse: If it doesn't use ./configure its more complicated |
| 00:20.51 | assasukasse | h3sp4wn: u mean it won't be installing in some odd places like /usr/local or so ? usually it uses ./configure, but do i have to send myself or not? i mean ./configure --prefix=/usr for example |
| 00:21.21 | h3sp4wn | assasukasse: nope it will be in /usr - just see what it does then extract the deb with dpkg-deb -x |
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| 00:22.39 | h3sp4wn | assasukasse: Personally I prefer stuff in /usr/local or /opt (unless it is compiled by cdbs or an official deb) |
| 00:22.55 | assasukasse | h3sp4wn: i totally agree with you |
| 00:23.27 | assasukasse | h3sp4wn: what is the --createorig option |
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| 00:23.51 | h3sp4wn | assasukasse: Just names a tarball with the correct name |
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| 00:24.16 | h3sp4wn | assasukasse: it has to be of advancemame_0.106.0.orig.tar.gz (that type format) |
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| 00:27.41 | ljlolel | I have a .sty package file for latex. How do I install it? |
| 00:28.31 | assasukasse | h3sp4wn: name the tarball or the directory |
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| 00:29.51 | h3sp4wn | assasukasse: You should name the directory sensible (if its not already) - what are you trying to compile |
| 00:30.29 | assasukasse | h3sp4wn: ok then i already got it :D |
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| 00:30.33 | dav___ | elo |
| 00:30.39 | dav___ | how to restore default config ona package |
| 00:31.00 | h3sp4wn | !confmiss |
| 00:31.00 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 00:31.16 | dav___ | i have a fucking problem, my iceweazsel fonts are cay, i change them becaus ethey were too small and now they are too big and no way to comer back befoe |
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| 00:33.02 | dummy | every time i close konqueror i get this error X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8 and a BadPixmap error just a little help would be nice |
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| 00:34.08 | dav___ | h3sp4wn, it doesn't work already have that bloody bad fonts :((( |
| 00:34.50 | abrotman | !bts |
| 00:34.51 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 00:35.07 | dummy | i get compiz all setup in gnome beautiful and i come to kde and get these errors |
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| 00:38.06 | dav___ | good solution |
| 00:38.22 | dav___ | rm -rf ~/.mozilla/ |
| 00:38.28 | dav___ | and works properly |
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| 00:39.27 | assasukasse | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 00:42.21 | peasse | hi, i'm trying to connect a client pc (debian) to a vnc server (xp sp) in lan, via krdc (client) and ultravnc (server). The thing to know is that the server (XP sp2+ultravnc) has no graphic card! I can connect to the server, but the display is too weird to ba exploitable... Can I do smthg to improve the display, or is it impossible without a graphic card installed on the server? |
| 00:44.30 | vostorga | peasse: as far as I know XP needs a video card with 256 colors, thats enough to make a comfortable vnc |
| 00:45.05 | n3kl | Hi. I am having trouble with xen. I would like to domus to be able to use only eht1, so in the xend-config.spx, I have set the bridge to netdev=eth1. Then when I reboot and fire up a comu, I cannot ping anything, like its not routing correctly. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 00:45.39 | peasse | hi vostorga, that's what i thought, i must have a GC on the server to see the desktop of XP... |
| 00:46.16 | abrotman | vostorga: might wnat to try another client also |
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| 00:46.55 | peasse | what's weird is that i can actualy see parts of the desktop with my client |
| 00:47.13 | peasse | but it's not exploitable |
| 00:47.57 | peasse | abrotman, i've tried with vncviewer, but it was the same |
| 00:48.21 | peasse | maybe if i change the server on XP... |
| 00:49.27 | robin_sz | there is another option |
| 00:49.40 | vostorga | peasse: did you try with vncviewer? |
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| 00:50.02 | peasse | yup, the same .. s..t |
| 00:50.23 | robin_sz | rather than change the server hardware on the XP box ... just change the software, here <clunk> have a Debian net install CD ;) |
| 00:50.27 | peasse | i just can see little parts of the desktop |
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| 00:54.00 | peasse | i use one of my pc + win XP as a jukebox, debian acts as a file server. The problem is that i must keep using WinXP because my soundcard isn't supported yet by linux (EMU1212m)... as far as i know |
| 00:55.30 | dav___ | is there a way on kde to accelerate the refresh time of graphic card because it laggggggs |
| 00:55.44 | dav___ | hard toread web page sin that way |
| 00:55.45 | stoned | I wonder about Gollum |
| 00:56.01 | stoned | no wonder he was so pissed off all the time, they all treat him like shit |
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| 00:58.23 | DanDare | i can using 'dd' copy directly one HD to antoher? how to do? its something like dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 ? |
| 00:58.31 | h3sp4wn | peasse: maybe you could possibly get it to work with alsa 1.0.14-rc |
| 00:58.40 | abrotman | DanDare: same size ? |
| 00:58.50 | DanDare | abrotman: yes? |
| 00:58.55 | DanDare | a friend is asking |
| 00:59.00 | h3sp4wn | peasse: Its only in experimental though |
| 00:59.25 | abrotman | dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 00:59.35 | abrotman | that will copy partitions and all |
| 00:59.36 | DanDare | abrotman: like, i can create an partition an format on the destination hd and use this? |
| 00:59.52 | DanDare | abrotman: nice. the HD´s must have same geometry? |
| 01:00.06 | peasse | thanks h3sp4wn, but i doubt the alsa-mixer of this soundcard can be as it is on Win |
| 01:00.09 | abrotman | no .. but it's a good idea .. see google for more info |
| 01:00.11 | DanDare | abrotman: this will copy MBR also? |
| 01:00.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:00.18 | DanDare | abrotman:ok, thanks |
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| 01:01.07 | h3sp4wn | peasse: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=emu - I don't think much of the mixer (I have another emu card) |
| 01:01.18 | peasse | 0404? |
| 01:01.24 | h3sp4wn | yep |
| 01:01.24 | zinx | don't forget the conv=sync,noerror :x |
| 01:01.28 | peasse | k |
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| 01:02.40 | Math^ | hello, how can i make debian sarge startup with startx ? |
| 01:03.12 | Math^ | and with network on: /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 01:03.55 | abrotman | networking should come up automagically |
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| 01:04.08 | abrotman | what do you mean with startx ? like gdm or xdm ? |
| 01:04.11 | peasse | h3sp4wn : i use only SPDIF out... it seems that it's not yet working... |
| 01:04.32 | Math^ | abrotman: i have to type: /etc/init.d/networking stop then /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 01:04.41 | Math^ | otherwise I dont have internet |
| 01:04.46 | abrotman | pcmcia ? |
| 01:04.54 | Math^ | i think so |
| 01:05.02 | Math^ | laptop |
| 01:05.06 | eli1 | Math^: link simbolic in your runlevel dir, usually 2 |
| 01:05.17 | Math^ | eli1: what? |
| 01:05.21 | amphi | Math^: is the card built in? |
| 01:05.22 | eli1 | the file networking... |
| 01:05.48 | Math^ | amphi: no |
| 01:05.51 | Math^ | external |
| 01:05.54 | abrotman | ln -s /etc/init.d/networking /etc/rc2.d/S95networking |
| 01:05.56 | h3sp4wn | peasse: Maybe it will be at some point - dunno (I use analog monitor speakers - balanced cables) never had a need for spdif |
| 01:06.15 | Math^ | abrotman: what is that? |
| 01:06.25 | Math^ | symbolic link to... what? |
| 01:07.09 | eli1 | Math^: abrotman did what I said to you... see man ln |
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| 01:07.27 | Math^ | man... this is gonna be hard |
| 01:07.37 | assasukasse | h3sp4wn: i have a small question, in case i wish to install into /opt, i should send dh_make -b --createorig -o /opt? |
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| 01:09.14 | abrotman | assasukasse: reconsider .. there's no /opt/ in debian normally |
| 01:09.20 | Math^ | abrotman: what is the difference between networking and s95networking? |
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| 01:09.31 | abrotman | S95 .. not s95 |
| 01:09.42 | assasukasse | abrotman: u are right, i should rather install into /usr/local |
| 01:09.56 | abrotman | assasukasse: or /usr/ .. depends what it is i guess |
| 01:09.58 | Math^ | lol, s95 or S95 whats the difference :P |
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| 01:10.19 | assasukasse | but is it the option-o correct? will it send the --prefix= to configure or does something else |
| 01:10.26 | eli1 | Math^: All scripts under your dir /etc/rc.n/ will run when you enter a runlevel. The normal runlevel it's 2 (one you enter in a normal boot)... |
| 01:10.54 | Math^ | eli1: what is a runlevel |
| 01:11.06 | eli1 | Math^: man telinit |
| 01:12.05 | eli1 | Math^: The Number 95 it's the priority, it stabilish an order of execution.. |
| 01:12.12 | Math^ | hmm maybe its better to use win98 again on that old pc... this isnt gonna work |
| 01:12.44 | Math^ | or ubuntu... but that goes even slower |
| 01:12.46 | eli1 | Math^: That's not difficuld, but you have to read the manual first time... |
| 01:13.08 | Math^ | yes, but i have to read things about what... about things i dont know anything of |
| 01:13.21 | eli1 | Math^: this isn't a place to you get all the solution, but is a good place to be pointed to... |
| 01:13.37 | Math^ | ok |
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| 01:14.54 | robin_sz | elil: order of execution? the leaders shoudl be shot first, then the foot soldiers, finally the supporters, women and children. |
| 01:15.05 | assasukasse | abrotman: is there a syntax to make dh_make pass ./configure something like --prefix=/something? |
| 01:15.19 | abrotman | HI |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 01:15.24 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 01:15.31 | abrotman | assasukasse: shold be in the docs |
| 01:16.09 | eli1 | robin_sz: I agree...;-) |
| 01:16.09 | assasukasse | abrotman: the man file is not clear about that, i will try to find somewhere else.. |
| 01:16.21 | abrotman | !mg |
| 01:16.22 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | assasukasse: it's not in there ? |
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| 01:18.14 | n3kl | Can someone help me with xen? #debian-xen is dead. I am trying to get networking setup in xen. Does the network bridge script run for each real interface? |
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| 01:19.36 | abrotman | isn't there a #xen ? |
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| 01:21.06 | StarWars | Hi I have tried many times sending email to Yahoo and Hotmail. The result is that my emails are in their junk mail folder ...what can i do ? |
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| 01:21.59 | StylusEater | can someone point me to the proper apt pkg for the kernel headers for the SLUG (armv5tel ... Linux 2.6.16) ? I'm new to debian and am looking on a mirror, but can't seem to find a pkg entitled kernel-headers-2.6.16 |
| 01:22.55 | n3kl | abrotman: I will ask in there |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | StarWars: is your IP dynamic ? |
| 01:23.47 | StarWars | no i have fix ip |
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| 01:24.39 | StarWars | i have 4 ip on my server network |
| 01:24.46 | StarWars | but fix ip |
| 01:25.04 | DebianBox | how do i partition drives that i am preparing to set in a raid-5 setup? |
| 01:25.17 | abrotman | depends on the needs |
| 01:26.44 | abrotman | StarWars: right .. that doesn't mean much to yahoo |
| 01:27.22 | abrotman | StarWars: there can be many reasons that it goes in the junk box |
| 01:27.26 | Redhatter | StarWars, Use your ISP's SMTP server |
| 01:27.32 | DebianBox | abrotman: well i intend to install a linux on their aswell as use it for storage |
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| 01:27.44 | abrotman | Redhatter: his dns seems okay |
| 01:28.04 | Redhatter | abrotman, Yeah, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | i realize that |
| 01:28.25 | abrotman | but at least dns/rdns seems okay |
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| 01:29.31 | DebianBox | well i would imagine that i would create two partitions on all drives in the raid 5, one / and the other swap. then create two md devices of all three of the partions on all the drives. correct? |
| 01:30.02 | DebianBox | however i believe i read somewhere that the drives all need to be completely partitioned in some raid format and then you do the partitioning to the md raid device |
| 01:31.10 | StarWars | Redhatter where i must add ISP's SMTP server ? |
| 01:32.13 | dav___ | i have aquestion, io ave tried t install wrong program (modules for webcam for an older kernel...) via apt-get and i iterupt, now i can't install any new package because it ask me to finish and gert the unwanted package (what i don't want it s krnel image older than mine) how can i resolve that problm not to have that bloody message again |
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| 01:33.21 | Redhatter | StarWars, Obviously to your MTA's config |
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| 01:33.29 | Redhatter | /dev/null too if you like. |
| 01:33.36 | dav___ | every apt-gert insall blabla said Unsatisfied dependencies ... try apt-get -f instal:l |
| 01:33.40 | Redhatter | Read The (Fine|Fscking|F....) Manual |
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| 01:34.31 | abrotman | !smarthost |
| 01:34.31 | dpkg | i heard smarthost is an SMTP relay. Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
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| 01:39.33 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:39.33 | dpkg | i guess qotd95 is <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
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| 01:48.45 | peasse | hi, what package i have to install to get glxgears ? |
| 01:49.37 | peasse | i just want to bench my graphic card |
| 01:49.43 | abrotman | !glxgears |
| 01:49.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 01:49.56 | abrotman | peasse: and it's not a benchmark |
| 01:50.02 | peasse | ah ok |
| 01:51.36 | peasse | the 3d works on my ati 9550 (foobillard, enemy-territory...), will mesa-utils package mess up my config? |
| 01:52.40 | vostorga | lol, that glxgears text was funny |
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| 01:54.41 | peasse | i have that first result : 5672 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1134.212 FPS ( ATI 9550).. ze question is of course, is it a normal score??? |
| 01:54.52 | abrotman | define normal |
| 01:55.14 | peasse | well , i'm no psychanalist |
| 01:55.18 | abrotman | but if i had to guess .. i'd say something isn't working right |
| 01:55.30 | peasse | really |
| 01:56.01 | konred | after i reinstall grub, i get 'grub error 18' when i try to boot fr partition 1. errror 18 is suppose to be due to oversize partition but that partition is only 12G. where is the problem? |
| 01:57.17 | Caelum | how do I tell if a p4 has the 64bit extension? try to boot an amd64 installer? |
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| 01:58.34 | ciop | after i update kernel (via apt-get), reboot and make modules, do i have to m-a build modules again if im using old kernel? |
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| 01:59.32 | DebianBox | if i dont have mkraid and raidstop commands, what package am i missing? |
| 01:59.35 | Caelum | no |
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| 02:00.00 | ciop | Caelum : ok thx |
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| 02:00.13 | Caelum | DebianBox: use apt-file update; apt-file search <whatever> |
| 02:00.22 | DebianBox | i did |
| 02:00.31 | DebianBox | didnt show anything when i did an apt-cache search mkraid |
| 02:00.33 | Caelum | hmm, it's not there |
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| 02:00.48 | ST47 | I'm helping someone set up nvidia drivers, and we're stuck at the "close X" bit |
| 02:00.59 | DebianBox | i dont have apt-file |
| 02:01.06 | DebianBox | i did an apt-cache update |
| 02:01.34 | DebianBox | *apt-get update |
| 02:01.42 | konred | is this menu.lst entry correct for booting fr MS Window? title Microsoft Windows XP Professional |
| 02:01.43 | konred | root (hd0,0) |
| 02:01.45 | konred | savedefault |
| 02:01.46 | konred | makeactive |
| 02:01.48 | konred | chainloader +1 |
| 02:02.30 | apk | dist-upgrade gives errors, dpkg is confused. What is going on here? http://pastebin.ca/380410 |
| 02:02.33 | DarkCow | looks like it, if windows is installed on /dev/hda1 |
| 02:02.44 | DarkCow | what error does it give? |
| 02:03.06 | konred | DarkCow: grub error 18 on booting up. |
| 02:03.33 | DarkCow | is that before grub shows the menu? |
| 02:03.56 | konred | DarkCow: after |
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| 02:04.57 | DarkCow | http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18 |
| 02:05.06 | abrotman | apk: apt-get update ? |
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| 02:05.35 | apk | abrotman: I did immediately prior to what is in the pastebin. |
| 02:05.36 | Caelum | DebianBox: maybe apt-cache search raid and pick something appropriate? |
| 02:05.49 | abrotman | apk: paste your sources somewhere |
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| 02:07.36 | apk | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/380415 |
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| 02:07.36 | DarkCow | konred, does that seem like that could be the problem? |
| 02:07.37 | abrotman | !info libsasl2 etch |
| 02:07.37 | dpkg | libsasl2: (Authentication abstraction library), section libs, is important. Version: 2.1.22.dfsg1-8 (etch), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 02:07.40 | abrotman | !info libsasl2-2 etch |
| 02:07.47 | dpkg | libsasl2-2: (Authentication abstraction library), section libs, is important. Version: 2.1.22.dfsg1-8 (etch), Packaged size: 98 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | apk: looks like your mirror might be out of date |
| 02:08.01 | konred | DarkCow: not too sure, as i mentioned earlier, this happened only after i had to re-install grub. it was working fine before. |
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| 02:08.09 | DebianBox | yeah, i dont see anything and all the searching i do on google leads me to believe that its soemthing that is expected to be on the system by default |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | apk: if you apt-get install libsasl2-2 .. what happens ? |
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| 02:08.26 | abrotman | gomagd! |
| 02:08.43 | apk | apk: I get the same errors. |
| 02:08.50 | DarkCow | how did you re-install? |
| 02:08.52 | abrotman | apk: add another mirror |
| 02:08.54 | DebianBox | anyone know why mkraid or stopraid would return "Command not found"? |
| 02:09.03 | apk | abrotman: Ok, I'll try another. |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:09.16 | DarkCow | DebianBox, because it's not installed? |
| 02:09.16 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 02:09.19 | Caelum | is amd64 worth it? |
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| 02:10.09 | DarkCow | DebianBox, I think things are done using "md" now |
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| 02:10.52 | Noboru | hi |
| 02:11.06 | Noboru | Does sarge supports SATA and Pentium D ? |
| 02:11.31 | dav___ | hum just one question, i have loaded pwc module for webcam, but it seems that the problem is coming from no /dev/video shld i create it manually or use another /dev file ? |
| 02:11.37 | abrotman | Noboru: whihc SATA ? |
| 02:12.09 | Noboru | I mean SATA harddrives |
| 02:12.19 | abrotman | yes .. sarge supports them .. but it's controller-dependent |
| 02:12.21 | konred | DarkCow: i did a 'grub-install hda0,0' for partition 1 becos it had error 15 during boot. |
| 02:12.58 | DarkCow | from a live-cd? |
| 02:12.59 | Noboru | abrotman, so when etch is out by then that controller-dependent issue will no longer exist ? |
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| 02:13.18 | abrotman | Noboru: it will always exist |
| 02:13.46 | DebianBox | DarkCow: md command not foud] |
| 02:13.50 | DebianBox | *found |
| 02:14.05 | Noboru | That is ...horrible, by the way,how do i find what type of controller it uses from a sata hdd ? |
| 02:14.07 | DarkCow | apt-cache search RAID |
| 02:14.18 | abrotman | Noboru: wtf do you mean .. windows is the same way |
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| 02:14.25 | abrotman | stevens point! |
| 02:14.46 | DarkCow | konred, did that install to the MBR or some partition? |
| 02:14.49 | Noboru | You mean even windows cannot use all sata hdds ? |
| 02:14.53 | Raden2 | I have a directory where alot of us dump files on a samba server and need the permissions to always be 777 is there a way to make it soo every file saved to that directory is 777 ? |
| 02:14.57 | abrotman | Noboru: windows needs drivers too! |
| 02:15.04 | Noboru | I see. |
| 02:15.22 | Noboru | abrotman, That one is found on the mobo ? |
| 02:15.36 | abrotman | what one ? |
| 02:15.45 | Noboru | That controller |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | it could be |
| 02:15.59 | DarkCow | Raden2, 777 is a _really_ bad idea, but I don't have a solution to your problem, except maybe have a cron script that runs every minute to change the permissions |
| 02:16.03 | DebianBox | DarkCow: i did. i have everything that looks like something i'd need. any suggestions? |
| 02:16.03 | DarkCow | it's hacky, but it'll work |
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| 02:16.14 | Noboru | abrotman, I see,thanks.i will take a look at it. |
| 02:16.16 | ciop | Raden2 : have u try create mask = 0777 on smb.conf ? |
| 02:16.20 | dav___ | how to create /dev/video file ? |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:16.33 | DarkCow | DebianBox, mdadm, sorry |
| 02:17.28 | DebianBox | lol, yeah, i JUST figured that out want was comming here to tell you :P |
| 02:17.29 | DebianBox | ty |
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| 02:18.17 | DarkCow | :P |
| 02:18.20 | Raden2 | is there a way to run a script everytime something is added to the directory ? |
| 02:18.26 | abrotman | famd maybe |
| 02:18.30 | Raden2 | ciop, well samba just shares the directory |
| 02:18.43 | DarkCow | dav__, read the documentation for the kernel module for your video device |
| 02:18.51 | DarkCow | assuming the module is installed |
| 02:19.21 | Raden2 | DarkCow, yes hacky but indead a solution |
| 02:19.28 | DarkCow | Raden2, that would probably require samba to do something itself |
| 02:19.44 | DarkCow | it might be able to do it |
| 02:19.53 | DarkCow | have a flick through the config files |
| 02:20.04 | DarkCow | I seem to remember vsftpd could do something like that |
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| 02:20.11 | DarkCow | maybe samba does, too |
| 02:20.13 | Raden2 | i just cant believe you cant control what permissions files get when in certain directories you can on a mac |
| 02:20.19 | Raden2 | i like linux better but just stating |
| 02:20.40 | Raden2 | well i mean technically linux should be able todo it |
| 02:20.43 | Raden2 | just how |
| 02:21.23 | Raden2 | or is there a way i can change it soo when i save files the permissions they have ? |
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| 02:21.54 | abrotman | maybe umask on the mounted filesystem ? |
| 02:22.04 | DarkCow | yes, I was going to mention umask |
| 02:22.09 | DebianBox | Ok, so i've pretty much deduced that i have to create a device, then add each drive individually to the device through the mdadm. i created raidtab file with my configuration, anyone know if i can tell mdadm to use that config file? |
| 02:22.14 | Raden2 | ill look into that some more |
| 02:22.17 | Raden2 | umask docs suck :( |
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| 02:22.29 | abrotman | man mount |
| 02:22.59 | DarkCow | Raden2, solution, I think! |
| 02:23.14 | DarkCow | create mask = 0777 |
| 02:23.20 | Raden2 | huh ? |
| 02:23.22 | DarkCow | directory mask = 0777 |
| 02:23.29 | Raden2 | where u find that ? |
| 02:23.29 | DarkCow | in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 02:23.38 | Raden2 | ok... |
| 02:23.41 | Raden2 | ill look into that |
| 02:23.41 | abrotman | it's a samba share ? |
| 02:23.44 | dolmans | dose any one have a successful experience in using etch with a IGP 340M video card? |
| 02:23.47 | Raden2 | yeah samba share |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | there's another option |
| 02:23.58 | Raden2 | whats that ? |
| 02:24.23 | abrotman | create mode or create mask |
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| 02:24.43 | abrotman | man smb.conf .. search for mask |
| 02:25.02 | Raden2 | abrotman, thanks wife got dinner done back in 45 min :) |
| 02:25.05 | _3oo3 | does anyone know about the gammamute protocol? I can't find it anywhere |
| 02:25.08 | abrotman | Raden2: will you send me brats?! |
| 02:25.15 | abrotman | Raden2: and point beer?! |
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| 02:27.04 | konred | DarkCow: 'grub-install' would install to MBR. |
| 02:27.32 | _3oo3 | good luck getting it off your system |
| 02:27.38 | apk | abrotman: New mirror didn't help. |
| 02:27.40 | x_link | Hi, just a off-topic question. |
| 02:27.45 | x_link | What is a normal video card temp.? |
| 02:27.53 | abrotman | x_link: ask #hardware |
| 02:28.06 | abrotman | apk: apt-cache policy <pkg> ... paste it |
| 02:28.17 | DarkCow | meh, I'm too tired to mess with boot systems now - I'll probably break something ;) |
| 02:28.20 | peteweez | how do I get thunderbird to create an account that ONLY sends...no incoming server? |
| 02:28.36 | DarkCow | set incoming to localhost? |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | then it will timeout trying to connect |
| 02:28.46 | DarkCow | or somewhere with no server |
| 02:28.49 | peteweez | DarkCow: good guess, but no |
| 02:28.50 | DarkCow | :-/ |
| 02:29.04 | peteweez | DarkCow: I use a local IMAP server to serve mail to my other account |
| 02:29.22 | peteweez | Is there a NULL IP? |
| 02:29.29 | peteweez | like an IP that routes to nowhere |
| 02:29.30 | DarkCow | 0.0.0.0 maybe |
| 02:29.33 | abrotman | peteweez: you could just create it and never have it check |
| 02:29.34 | DarkCow | hang on |
| 02:29.35 | apk | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/380445 |
| 02:29.49 | peteweez | DarkCow: I thought 0.0.0.0 was everyone, like * |
| 02:30.01 | DarkCow | that's 255.255.255.255, I think |
| 02:30.13 | abrotman | apk: did you place it on hold or pin it ? |
| 02:30.16 | DarkCow | try 10.0.0.1 |
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| 02:30.39 | abrotman | apk: apt-get install libsasl2-2 does nothing ? |
| 02:30.42 | apk | abrotman: I did not place it on hold. I don't know what it means to pin it, so I don't think so. |
| 02:30.42 | DarkCow | 255 generally means broadcast, and 0 means the network itself |
| 02:30.44 | eshaase | does debian's installer allow the capibility to setup an striped lvm system during the installation process? |
| 02:31.11 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:31.12 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4). |
| 02:31.25 | peteweez | DarkCow: I think that 10.0.0.1 just might work...thanks |
| 02:31.26 | abrotman | apk: apt-get -tetch install libsasl2-2 ? |
| 02:31.36 | DarkCow | again, it's very hacky |
| 02:31.44 | DarkCow | there are probably some official unroutable IPs |
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| 02:31.53 | DarkCow | you can use example.com, I expect |
| 02:32.12 | DarkCow | that's an official address that does nothing |
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| 02:32.23 | apk | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/380451 |
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| 02:32.44 | apk | abrotman: Why does it want to remove postfix? |
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| 02:33.10 | abrotman | it's trying to upgrade it |
| 02:33.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Finally below 100! :D |
| 02:33.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 89 |
| 02:33.33 | abrotman | it was 83 this morning |
| 02:33.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | :/ |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | apk: apt-get -f install .. same thing ? |
| 02:34.12 | apk | abrotman: Yup. |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | apt-get install postfix .. same thing ? |
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| 02:34.47 | orkid | come ooon eetch! it's been three months (or wait.. two) |
| 02:35.00 | myren | Wtf? Why is the newest kernel in unstable 2.6.18? |
| 02:35.07 | abrotman | because |
| 02:35.09 | apk | abrotman: libsasl2: Depends: libsasl2-2 (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-8) but 2.1.22.dfsg1-5 is to be installed |
| 02:35.18 | orkid | linux is at 2.6.20.1, and on rc2 for .21 |
| 02:35.40 | abrotman | apk: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/libsasl2-2* ... see anything ? |
| 02:35.41 | myren | thats why it seems so odd to me unstable only has 2.6.18 |
| 02:35.51 | abrotman | blame etch .. |
| 02:35.52 | jetscreamer | hey how do i make an index page like where it just reads the directory contents and creates links, so you could d/l the files that are in the directory... directories are not browseable |
| 02:35.54 | tp76 | myren: they've got to decide on a kernel for their stable release at some point. |
| 02:36.14 | apk | abrotman: libsasl2-2_2.1.22.dfsg1-8_i386.deb (I already tried deleting everything from archives/*.deb) |
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| 02:36.22 | myren | why would etch going stable affect the unstable tree? |
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| 02:36.33 | jetscreamer | Bhaal: why do you always do that? |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | apk: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libsasl2-2_2.1.22.dfsg1-8_i386.deb |
| 02:36.46 | apk | abrotman: I could try installing exim to get rid of postfix, upgrading libsasl2-2, and then go back to postfix. |
| 02:37.32 | apk | abrotman: dpkg won't install it, says it conflicts with the currently installed postfix. |
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| 02:37.41 | abrotman | paste it |
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| 02:37.57 | tp76 | "... confirmed December". What a joke. |
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| 02:38.06 | abrotman | who cares |
| 02:38.07 | tp76 | Not that I'm surprised. |
| 02:38.26 | apk | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/380458 |
| 02:38.35 | tp76 | I do. Either release in December or shut up. I'm fine with "it's ready when it's ready". |
| 02:39.02 | abrotman | !info postfix etch |
| 02:39.09 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.3.7-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1059 kB, Installed size: 2448 kB |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | tp76: why would you expect anything else ... |
| 02:39.27 | tp76 | abrotman: knowing how the Debian release cycle works, I wouldn't. |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | then why are you bitching ? |
| 02:39.44 | ankit1 | while installing i get an error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error |
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| 02:39.55 | Raden2 | abrotman, sure i live in stevens point wi :) |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | Raden2: i noticed :) |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | Raden2: my mom is in rapids |
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| 02:40.27 | abrotman | Raden2: i get to fly into mosinee when i go visit |
| 02:40.29 | tp76 | Because it's bloody annoying "yes, we'll release in December" and then nothing happens. Better to just shut up and get it out when it's done. |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | tp76: you just said you didn't expect it .. i don't know why you're upset .. |
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| 02:41.11 | tp76 | Ofcourse. Given the history of Debian releases, what else would I expect? |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | apk: and apt-get -f install .. same as before ? |
| 02:41.24 | abrotman | tp76: then stop whining |
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| 02:41.51 | apk | abrotman: Yup, same as before. |
| 02:42.00 | tp76 | Oh, am I hurting your feelings? Sorry you can't have a rational discussion about this. |
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| 02:42.14 | apk | abrotman: Looks like Catch-22. |
| 02:42.19 | abrotman | you're not hurting my feelings .. i just think you're stupid to have assumed anything other than WIR, SIYH |
| 02:42.20 | stoned | tp76: don't worry about abrotman, he thinks everyone is always whining |
| 02:42.29 | mbuf | can i use compiz or aiglx or beryl with debian etch? |
| 02:42.38 | abrotman | beryl isn't in debian |
| 02:42.44 | mbuf | hardware is IBM T41, ATI 7500 |
| 02:43.07 | abrotman | apk: you might just have to install exim to get it going |
| 02:43.16 | apk | abrotman: I'll give it a shot. |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | apk: i'm really skeptical though |
| 02:43.49 | orkid | why not mbuf |
| 02:44.20 | mbuf | orkid, i am just asking; |
| 02:44.31 | apk | abrotman: apt-get install exim gives me similar errors. |
| 02:45.12 | apk | mbuf: Are you using fglrx-driver ? |
| 02:45.13 | abrotman | !conflicts postfix etch |
| 02:45.20 | dpkg | postfix: mail-transport-agent, smail, libnss-db (<< 2.2-3), postfix-tls |
| 02:45.37 | abrotman | !conflicts libsasl2-2 etch |
| 02:45.42 | dpkg | libsasl2-2: postfix (<< 2.3.4-3), libsasl2-gssapi-mit (<< 2.1.22), libsasl2-krb4-mit (<< 2.1.22) |
| 02:45.47 | mbuf | apk, not installed yet, just wanted to get info from anyone who is already using it; googling as well |
| 02:45.52 | abrotman | apk: what if you apt-get install postfix-tls ? |
| 02:45.58 | orkid | mbuf, i think you can. there's no reason why not. don't know which direver though, radeon or fglrc (or whatever it is) |
| 02:46.02 | orkid | flgrx? |
| 02:46.07 | orkid | fglrx? |
| 02:46.17 | tp76 | abrotman: I'm stupid because I "trusted" Debian to release in December as they promised? My point is if they can't release on time, don't announce deadlines. It just looks idiotic. |
| 02:46.26 | apk | abrotman: virtual package provided by postfix, I should install that instead. |
| 02:46.56 | apk | mbuf: fglrx gives good performance, but crashes a lot, and every time I try to run X on vt7 and vt8 simultaneously. |
| 02:47.07 | mbuf | apk, using radeon |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | tp76: you should know better .. EoD |
| 02:47.30 | tp76 | abrotman: "it's done when it's done" is fine by me, as I've already said. Yes, /I/ know better (perhaps), but John Doe doesn't. |
| 02:47.31 | apk | mbuf: I have a T43 with x300 though. You may have more luck. |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | tp76: if you don't like it .. use another distro .. problem solved |
| 02:48.04 | mbuf | apk, ok |
| 02:48.05 | mbuf | thanks guys |
| 02:48.13 | mbuf | brb with debian etch :) |
| 02:48.40 | tp76 | abrotman: that's not likely to bring Debian forward. |
| 02:48.50 | abrotman | apk: what if you purge libsasl2-2 .. does it let the apt-get dist-upgrade continue ? |
| 02:48.55 | abrotman | tp76: so go fix bugs |
| 02:49.17 | LunarCrisis | tp76, then go help debian |
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| 02:50.18 | tp76 | Why? They're fine and on track, according to you, aren't they? |
| 02:50.20 | apk | abrotman: There are many packages that depend on either libsasl2 or mail-transport-agent. I'd have to remove half the system. |
| 02:50.37 | abrotman | bad! |
| 02:50.43 | tp76 | Or are you saying Debian has problems? God, forbid. |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | apk: try it with aptitude dist-upgrade instead |
| 02:51.06 | abrotman | tp76: just shut up already .. |
| 02:51.13 | Raden2 | abrotman, you originally from WI ? |
| 02:51.13 | apk | abrotman: What I don't get is that I have another identical machine (or so I thought) that I always upgrade at the same time, and it didn't have any problems. |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | Raden2: no .. but my mom is |
| 02:51.24 | Raden2 | AHH gotcha |
| 02:51.32 | apk | abrotman: I don't have aptitude installed. (: |
| 02:51.36 | abrotman | Raden2: she moved back a year or so agao |
| 02:51.43 | abrotman | apk: oh lovely |
| 02:52.14 | tp76 | ;-) I use Debian on all my machines. I'm just annoyned by the fact that they whine about releasing at a certain deadline that never happens. |
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| 02:52.33 | abrotman | you're still whining :) |
| 02:52.39 | tp76 | No, I'm stating facts. |
| 02:52.42 | dummy | i cant figure it out BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) |
| 02:53.24 | apk | tp76: You are stating that you are annoyed. It may be a fact, but it is still whining. |
| 02:53.56 | stoned | no |
| 02:54.02 | stoned | I would hardly consider this whining |
| 02:54.14 | stoned | I would consider it a very very bad way of sharing his opinions ont he debian release cycle |
| 02:54.17 | Bhaal | jetscreamer: : If you do a whois on me you would have noticed I am an irc oper.. The channel cycling is to pick up the ONJOIN spambots which frequent this channel and a few others... When they spam me I kline them... |
| 02:54.23 | stoned | but still, I woldn't consider it whining |
| 02:54.36 | tp76 | Obviously this "Debian release cycle" doesn't work. |
| 02:54.37 | dummy | stoned i know you know what this is BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) |
| 02:54.48 | stoned | dummy: now I don't kow |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | tp76: then do like the sane people do .. ignore it |
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| 02:54.51 | DebianBox | when i do a mdadm --create /dev/md0 ...options. it says /dev/md0 is not a file or directory. |
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| 02:55.12 | abrotman | apk: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix<whatever is there> |
| 02:55.12 | dummy | great |
| 02:55.12 | tp76 | abrotman: I do. But I'm free to express my opinion, aren't I? ;-) |
| 02:55.26 | abrotman | tp76: sure .. but you're not whining to DDs |
| 02:55.40 | tp76 | abrotman: like they'd listen anyway... |
| 02:55.55 | Bhaal | jetscreamer: Sorry, that was a canned response which I sent to someone a day or so ago... Was a little harsher then I mean it to be.. |
| 02:55.58 | LunarCrisis | My opinion of the debian developers just went up |
| 02:55.58 | apk | abrotman: that, followed by apt-get -f install seems to have fixed it. |
| 02:56.07 | tp76 | "it's done when it's done". Yes, so shut up about this December release already. |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | apk: yay ? |
| 02:56.09 | stoned | tp76: no one is forcing you to use it. It is stable when it is stable. It takes time. Either deal with it, or don't. take your pick, but either way, unless you have something to contribute, stop. |
| 02:56.13 | apk | abrotman: Thank you very much for your help. |
| 02:56.13 | abrotman | apk: try the dist-upgrade again .. just to make sure |
| 02:56.25 | apk | abrotman: Dist-upgrade is running happily. |
| 02:56.33 | abrotman | Bhaal: hit him again! |
| 02:56.35 | jetscreamer | Bhaal: ah ok i see makes sense. (yes i knew you're an op btw) :) |
| 02:56.35 | stoned | tp76: there was never a promize. it is always a rough schedule |
| 02:56.43 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 02:56.48 | jetscreamer | np |
| 02:57.01 | stoned | bhaal is like satan isn't he |
| 02:57.02 | stoned | ? |
| 02:57.04 | tp76 | stoned: I have something to contribute; don't publicly say "December" when nothing will happen in December, nor Januar, February, March, or god knows when. |
| 02:57.04 | abrotman | stoned: http://www.us.debian.org/News/2006/20060724 |
| 02:57.06 | stoned | Lord Bhaal? |
| 02:57.17 | jetscreamer | bhaal is a snake in your belly stoned |
| 02:57.25 | stoned | tp76: well shit happens dude |
| 02:57.32 | tp76 | stoned: I'm sure potential Debian users sees it that way (not). |
| 02:57.39 | apk | tp76: Was December a promise or an estimate? |
| 02:57.49 | abrotman | wait i know .. this is *still* the wrong place to whine about it ;) |
| 02:57.50 | stoned | there were never any promises afaik |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | stoned: http://www.us.debian.org/News/2006/20060724 |
| 02:58.04 | jetscreamer | december was in writing |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | that's what tp76 is referring to |
| 02:58.09 | dummy | yes lest talk about my problem now |
| 02:58.12 | jetscreamer | it didn't say 'possible' |
| 02:58.15 | jetscreamer | but who cares |
| 02:58.18 | abrotman | dummy: we know .. bad pixels! |
| 02:58.32 | stoned | well afaik doesn't go very far does it |
| 02:58.34 | Bhaal | hahaha |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | stoned: did you actually read it ? |
| 02:58.44 | stoned | yes |
| 02:58.48 | dummy | thats right i got some of those |
| 02:58.51 | abrotman | they "confirm" the date |
| 02:59.00 | stoned | I did not read this exact page in dec. |
| 02:59.01 | abrotman | dummy: do you see any bad pixels ? |
| 02:59.04 | Bhaal | stoned: from the Forgotten Realms series of fantasy novels (by various authors) |
| 02:59.08 | stoned | however I knew there was talk of releasing it there |
| 02:59.16 | dummy | nope |
| 02:59.16 | stoned | Bhaal: no I mean like thats baldurs gate |
| 02:59.26 | abrotman | dummy: then there's no problem .. continue :) |
| 02:59.28 | stoned | Bhaal: I mean like in mythology, bhaal was another name for satan in some culture |
| 02:59.32 | jetscreamer | there was actually a bhaal that got worshipped in the old days, iirc |
| 02:59.36 | stoned | Bhaal: my dark infernal prince! /me bows |
| 02:59.40 | stoned | AHAHAH =D |
| 02:59.41 | Bhaal | stoned: Yes, correct, but usually spelt 'Baal' |
| 02:59.55 | stoned | ahh |
| 02:59.55 | stoned | ok my mistake, but close enough |
| 02:59.55 | diskus | Ba'al maybe? |
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| 03:00.07 | abrotman | eh .. Bad'Ass ? |
| 03:00.16 | LunarCrisis | I've killed baal lotsa times |
| 03:00.22 | LunarCrisis | he drops l33t l00t |
| 03:00.49 | stoned | well either way |
| 03:00.52 | stoned | my point still remains |
| 03:01.00 | dummy | so every time i close a konqueror window it writes to my xsession-errors theres like 500 BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) errors there in 7 hours |
| 03:01.06 | stoned | confirmed date or not, shit fucking happens, so fucking deal with it. |
| 03:01.13 | stoned | am I right? |
| 03:01.14 | Bhaal | jetscreamer/stoned: Depends on the mythology/scriptur really... In Stargate SG-1 they say pronounce it the same as I do, 'Barl' .. Which I presume is the Bhaal spelling whihc I use... |
| 03:01.26 | apk | stoned: You are right, if a big vulgar. |
| 03:01.42 | stoned | apk: eh, words have power because we give them power |
| 03:02.00 | stoned | Bhaal: cool nick anyway |
| 03:02.07 | Raden2 | brbr gotta log back in |
| 03:02.11 | stoned | Bhaal: of course its not as cool as stoned or anything but you kow ... :D |
| 03:02.13 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:02.26 | Bhaal | ;) |
| 03:02.45 | apk | stoned: True. Although I usually try to use the power sparingly for greater effect. Like when I zap myself with ignition coils or have to deal with Windows. |
| 03:02.51 | DebianBox | i tried to run command mdadm --create /dev/md0 ... options. and i get: mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory |
| 03:02.56 | stoned | lol |
| 03:03.05 | Bhaal | stoned: Yeah, tone down the language please |
| 03:03.34 | LunarCrisis | the best part about using linux is that when people ask you to "fix their windows" you can reasonably say you don't know how |
| 03:04.07 | stoned | i do that to people |
| 03:04.13 | apk | LunarCrisis: Do they ever believe you? They don't believe me. |
| 03:04.14 | stoned | they ask me hey you do computer stuff, come fix my windows |
| 03:04.23 | stoned | I say i have no idea how ot use windows, cuz I use linux |
| 03:04.29 | stoned | I'm right there with ya |
| 03:04.35 | stoned | unless they offer to pay, then I do windows |
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| 03:04.57 | DebianBox | stoned: so basically your one of those people who presses buttons until something workds |
| 03:05.01 | DebianBox | *works |
| 03:05.02 | LunarCrisis | apk, well, they pretend to, but then they ask again like half an hour later |
| 03:05.04 | nn-main | hi all |
| 03:05.14 | stoned | DebianBox: how do you gather that? |
| 03:05.38 | apk | I figure if they will pay, they can get somebody else. I just fix Windows for my poor technophobic friends. And then they make me cookies. (: |
| 03:05.40 | stoned | DebianBox: if I get frustrated with computers I yell at em, I swear a lot, and then I go play my guitar or get stoned |
| 03:05.46 | LunarCrisis | of course, now that vista's out, I actually don't know how =) |
| 03:06.06 | stoned | DebianBox: as far as pushing buttons, never |
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| 03:06.26 | stoned | I enjoy messing with hardware |
| 03:06.32 | apk | I bet I really wouldn't know how to fix windows if I was stoned. |
| 03:06.42 | DebianBox | stoned: getting stoned, always a good way to solve problems, smoke my brain up till i dont know about them anymore. excellent logic. |
| 03:07.13 | stoned | umm.. okay... |
| 03:07.26 | stoned | thats not good for you btw |
| 03:07.34 | stoned | it can hurt you in the long run, just so you know |
| 03:07.48 | abrotman | he was talking about you |
| 03:07.51 | stoned | oh |
| 03:07.57 | stoned | well I don't do that |
| 03:08.07 | stoned | I stone not to get away from problems |
| 03:08.20 | stoned | I stone to relax and rethink/reevaluate the problem |
| 03:08.27 | stoned | usually I solve problems better while intoxicated |
| 03:10.18 | apk | stoned: I've found that I solve problems better after a stiff drink. Couldn't get my boss to stock the fridge with Gray Goose though. |
| 03:10.41 | stoned | to each their own, whose to say a drink isn't the same as a joint eh? |
| 03:11.14 | DebianBox | i tried to run command mdadm --create /dev/md0 ... options. and i get: mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory |
| 03:11.47 | abrotman | did you read the swraid howto ? |
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| 03:14.17 | DebianBox | its got nothing to do with that, i cant even find this kind of thing happening on google... |
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| 03:16.29 | dondelelcaro | DebianBox: use --auto |
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| 03:40.49 | abrotman | DebianBox: yes |
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| 03:43.16 | Ltar | !mp3 |
| 03:43.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 03:43.17 | mnguyen | msg dpkg wwer |
| 03:43.43 | Ltar | !ogg Vorbis |
| 03:43.44 | dpkg | [ogg vorbis] an MP3 alternative, see http://www.vorbis.com/. |
| 03:43.58 | itchi | !tell Ltar -about selftell |
| 03:44.09 | Ltar | that's nice, but I have 13 gigs of Mp3 files on my NTFS hard drive. how do I play it in linux? |
| 03:44.20 | abrotman | Ltar: with an mp3 player ... |
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| 03:44.46 | Ltar | ... |
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| 03:44.55 | mnguyen | too bad ogg isn't supported by most media players |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | Ltar: gnome? kde? something elese |
| 03:45.05 | abrotman | mnguyen: yes it is |
| 03:45.06 | Ltar | Sound juicer will not play mp3, it seems? |
| 03:45.09 | Ltar | using gnome |
| 03:45.12 | itchi | abrotman: Is there not a tipo in the ogg Vorbis factoid? The an MP3 |
| 03:45.50 | abrotman | Ltar: quod libet is one .. rhythmbox is another |
| 03:46.02 | abrotman | itchi: seems fine to me |
| 03:46.21 | itchi | abrotman: Weird, english :-p |
| 03:46.40 | abrotman | itchi: not really |
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| 03:46.51 | Ltar | rythmbox.. i meant to say rythmbox |
| 03:46.57 | Ltar | im using rythmbox, right now.. |
| 03:47.02 | Ltar | but it's not playing .mp3's |
| 03:47.25 | abrotman | it should |
| 03:47.33 | eshaase | sorry if someone had already answered my question from before as I got disconnected but heres my problem: i'm setting up a somewhat complicated partitioning scheme using lvm and vgdisplay seems to incorreclty display the correct size of my volume groups, any ideas about how I should approach this? |
| 03:47.37 | abrotman | does it give an error or just not make noise ? |
| 03:48.00 | Ltar | it doesn't load the files |
| 03:48.07 | DebianBox | how do i stop the creation of a filesystem? I issued a mkfs.ext3 on a raid device that i had just created, and i think its halting the build of the raid. running cat /proc/mdstat the progress is progressively getting slower. |
| 03:48.18 | abrotman | Ltar: you can try xmms |
| 03:48.38 | bzed | DebianBox: that's nbot a problem |
| 03:49.08 | bzed | DebianBox: sure the raid initialization process will be slower because it has to initialize the areas where your process is writing to first |
| 03:49.38 | bzed | DebianBox: but'll be just happy ;) |
| 03:49.38 | Ltar | abrotman: thanks, opening xmms now |
| 03:49.59 | DebianBox | it says its going take 7 days and growing.... |
| 03:50.11 | DebianBox | the k/s is progressively getting lower. |
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| 03:51.17 | itchi | DebianBox: Be patient :-) |
| 03:51.39 | Ltar | oi... doublesize seems to have broken xmms :( |
| 03:51.48 | DebianBox | >_< are you serious? does it really take that long normally? |
| 03:52.05 | itchi | DebianBox: You can define the speed in /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max |
| 03:53.08 | DebianBox | what would setting those do exactly? |
| 03:53.33 | itchi | DebianBox: Set the speed limit, but i know to less about RAID btw |
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| 03:53.59 | itchi | DebianBox: I played a bit with it, just for fun, some time back |
| 03:54.28 | bzed | DebianBox: initializing a raid takes it time. no way around it |
| 03:54.49 | bzed | DebianBox: although you should be safely able to turnoff/reboot your computer |
| 03:55.02 | DebianBox | bzed: 9 days? 3 hdd's? |
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| 03:55.33 | itchi | DebianBox: I think you need to define the speed, before initialising it. For a 80GB the value should be 1600000 while default it is 200000 |
| 03:55.52 | DebianBox | speed is currently 534k/s |
| 03:56.05 | DebianBox | when i first ran the command it was over 1000 |
| 03:56.07 | itchi | DebianBox: I get more with my broadband :-) |
| 03:56.14 | DebianBox | exactly |
| 03:56.25 | DebianBox | leads me to believe something is wrong |
| 03:56.26 | diskus | maybe it's doing thru the internet?-) |
| 03:56.46 | itchi | DebianBox: You need to define it before playing with it, i think, otherwise you loose some time |
| 03:56.58 | peteweez | I've worked out some problems with my mail system but some still persist (and Thunderbird always thinks it knows what I want better than I do! Grrrr...). I set up T-Bird to receive mail from an IMAP on localhost.localdomain. When I don't enable SSL, i asks me for my password, then says that the login failed and auth.log says login disabled. When I enable SSL (which worked this morning but strangely not now), it says connecting t |
| 03:57.19 | itchi | DebianBox: But i insist (i think), like it's some time back and i have not play much with it |
| 03:57.53 | bzed | DebianBox: echo 400000 > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max |
| 03:58.10 | bzed | DebianBox: that'll make it faster. probably it'll also make your box less useable |
| 03:58.20 | DebianBox | i dont much care |
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| 03:58.50 | abrotman | bzed: isn't it like .. 4am there ? |
| 03:58.59 | bzed | abrotman: no, 5am :D |
| 03:59.04 | DebianBox | what do i do to undo it? |
| 03:59.06 | abrotman | just making sure :) |
| 03:59.13 | itchi | bzed: -1 minute :-p |
| 03:59.39 | bzed | !beer itchi |
| 03:59.47 | bzed | hah, finally a good one |
| 03:59.58 | itchi | bah, i want Pisan, buerk beer |
| 04:00.05 | itchi | Pisang* |
| 04:00.34 | DebianBox | continueing to go down. now at 11000 minutes and 464k/s |
| 04:01.15 | bzed | DebianBox: raid5 or 6? |
| 04:01.25 | itchi | DebianBox: What's the capacity of the HDD? |
| 04:01.26 | DebianBox | 5 |
| 04:01.37 | bzed | and which kind of hdd? |
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| 04:01.55 | DebianBox | sata |
| 04:02.05 | bzed | on a fast box? |
| 04:02.07 | abrotman | sata i or ii ? |
| 04:02.21 | itchi | DebianBox: oh 500GB? |
| 04:02.25 | bzed | or a sata controlelr in a PI ? |
| 04:02.51 | bzed | I think my 600GB raid5 was initialized within a day or so |
| 04:04.04 | DebianBox | sata II, but set via jumper to function on sata I, the card is an sata I. all 3 drives hooked up to it. it is not a hardware raid card (IE: it does not have a raid processor on it) |
| 04:04.16 | DebianBox | all three drives are formatted as one big partition, and all are 320GB |
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| 04:04.52 | DebianBox | 12500 minutes 412k/s |
| 04:04.59 | bzed | that's slow |
| 04:05.25 | peteweez | Why won't Thunderbird connect to my local IMAP server? It's not failing to connect or timing out...it just connects but never prompts me for a password and never downloads the mail |
| 04:05.33 | DebianBox | thanks for finally noticing |
| 04:05.50 | bzed | DebianBox: do you probably miss DMA transfer? |
| 04:05.58 | bzed | DebianBox: driver issues |
| 04:06.01 | bzed | anything liek that |
| 04:06.05 | bzed | hard to say at 5am |
| 04:06.14 | DebianBox | your going to have to elaborate on that last one |
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| 04:06.30 | rpc | what is the best method of starting custom files on system bootup? |
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| 04:06.31 | bzed | on 5am? |
| 04:06.33 | rpc | scripts or else |
| 04:06.54 | abrotman | !bootmisc.sh |
| 04:06.55 | dpkg | bootmisc is probably where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 04:07.07 | rpc | oh that's sweet |
| 04:07.08 | itchi | peteweez: Have you disable the secure connection? |
| 04:07.13 | rpc | thank you very much abrotman |
| 04:07.18 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 04:07.32 | rpc | i was about to make an ini script lol |
| 04:07.41 | abrotman | well . that's the proper way .. |
| 04:07.53 | bzed | !update-rc.d |
| 04:07.54 | dpkg | i guess update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf |
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| 04:08.12 | peteweez | itchi: yeah; nvm, it's working now...I just deleted and recreated the account...bloody Thunderbird! |
| 04:08.17 | rpc | mhm yes that's very good too |
| 04:08.25 | itchi | peteweez: I use Evolution here :-p |
| 04:08.33 | rpc | thank you bzed |
| 04:08.39 | abrotman | rpc: or you can use @reboot in cron |
| 04:08.42 | rpc | i'm all pumped again and ready to work lol |
| 04:08.51 | rpc | hmm a @reboot? |
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| 04:08.53 | itchi | peteweez: But yeah, with a imap setup, you can easy switch and change of email client, like you change your socks |
| 04:09.07 | itchi | peteweez: ... In other words never change it :-p |
| 04:09.08 | kelsin | gnus ftw |
| 04:09.18 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 04:09.19 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 04:09.42 | rpc | damn... that's also very leet |
| 04:09.53 | rpc | thanks again - now i'm pumped even more he he |
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| 04:10.15 | thomasb | Anyone know if software that does not function without registration even though source is provided under GPL is free or non-free by DFSG ? |
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| 04:10.52 | abrotman | might want to also ask #gnu |
| 04:10.52 | peteweez | itchi: I love evolution |
| 04:11.03 | abrotman | about the GPL stuff i mean :) |
| 04:11.07 | peteweez | itchi: But I had to abandon it because of the summary and folder mismatch thing |
| 04:11.54 | thomasb | abrotman : I presume you were refering to my question . If so thanks I check out if any one is in gnu. |
| 04:11.59 | itchi | peteweez: Folde mismatch? Never got that trouble |
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| 04:12.54 | peteweez | itchi: tends to happen when you have a lot of messages in your folder...I think it's caused by evo fetching your mail before it checks the folder summaries or something like that. Camel has plans to fix that. |
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| 04:13.40 | bzed | evo sucks anyway :D |
| 04:13.49 | itchi | peteweez: I have many mails in sub-folders, but i not get that trouble |
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| 04:14.00 | bzed | night night :) |
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| 04:16.19 | konred | more on my boot problem. when i try to boot fr a partition, i get 'grub error 18'. booting fr another partition, when i try cfdisk on that error partition, i get: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition begins after end-of-disk. |
| 04:16.25 | konred | how to correct this? |
| 04:17.40 | jetscreamer | you don't run cfdisk on a partion, just the hd |
| 04:17.49 | jetscreamer | cfdisk /dev/hda not /dev/hda1 |
| 04:18.01 | jetscreamer | and it would be grub-install hd0 btw |
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| 04:18.24 | jetscreamer | hd0.0 for the partition, hd0 for the mbr |
| 04:18.29 | jetscreamer | err hd0,0 |
| 04:18.29 | konred | jetscreamer: ok, take it that i may have stated it technically wrongly. but how to solve my problem? |
| 04:18.58 | jetscreamer | if it was me, i'd low-level format it and start again... but i have backups. |
| 04:19.04 | jetscreamer | not sure dude, sorry |
| 04:20.23 | rpc | abrotman? i still don't understand one thing... can i control what user runs a given script on boot? |
| 04:20.24 | konred | jetscreamer: i thought gru-install starts numbering fr 1, not 0. |
| 04:20.34 | jetscreamer | 0 |
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| 04:21.09 | jetscreamer | did you try from the grub shell maybe, when you boot? |
| 04:21.14 | abrotman | rpc: yes .. man su |
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| 04:21.28 | rpc | abrotman hm so that's how... just like that |
| 04:21.42 | konred | jetscreamer: fyi, i having been doing 'grub-install hd 0,1' for my /dev/hda2 partition. |
| 04:22.02 | rpc | su blah ; /go/to/script.sh ; exit |
| 04:22.08 | rpc | literally that? |
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| 04:22.35 | abrotman | rpc: not quite .. man su .. should explain it |
| 04:22.48 | rpc | oh i thought you were being sarcastic :) |
| 04:22.56 | rpc | ok reading up |
| 04:23.24 | abrotman | something like su -c <user> '<command>' |
| 04:23.47 | konred | can i do 'grub-install' for more than one partitions? |
| 04:23.48 | rpc | right, just found that out too |
| 04:23.58 | rpc | -c will treat it as a command to follow |
| 04:24.01 | rpc | thanks again |
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| 04:26.43 | sid | How do I connect to a wireless device that uses WPA2 with my debian etch laptop? |
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| 04:28.02 | orkid | you can't! it's wireless! |
| 04:28.03 | orkid | OOOOOH |
| 04:28.48 | Firestarter- | I use wireless with debian but have never tried WPA |
| 04:29.36 | sid | I don't want to try WPA, but this dumb Fon router makes me. |
| 04:29.45 | abrotman | phone ? |
| 04:29.52 | sid | but once I setup wpa I'm going to exploit it and flash it with openwrt |
| 04:29.53 | diskus | fon, free wlan router :P |
| 04:29.55 | sid | Fonera* |
| 04:30.20 | orkid | yeah. i'm still waiting for mine. after a month. :) |
| 04:30.36 | orkid | but they shipped it to me for free, ... i would still like to get it though |
| 04:30.36 | itchi | sid: Look on the debian's wiki |
| 04:31.10 | orkid | so you're gonna basically rip off fon?! |
| 04:31.11 | orkid | that's nice |
| 04:31.16 | orkid | (note SARCASM) |
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| 04:33.36 | itchi | sid: Feel free to add some good informations about it also |
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| 04:39.17 | peteweez | Sorry for continuosly bombarding people with mail problems, but what does "T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host" mean? |
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| 04:43.59 | itchi | peteweez: Google it, you get nice results i see here |
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| 04:44.45 | itchi | peteweez: note, remove the : cause it break google |
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| 04:47.26 | shadok | hi, i need an etch sources.list (the default one would be fine, anybody can pastebin that please ? |
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| 04:48.21 | karsten | !tell shadok about mirrors |
| 04:48.26 | itchi | shadok: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 04:48.28 | itchi | oeps |
| 04:48.36 | shadok | thank you :) |
| 04:50.18 | shadok | i get (errors or warnings) during aptitude update : Couldn't stat source package list... i thought that would cause problem but it seems not |
| 04:50.28 | shadok | erf ok |
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| 04:50.39 | shadok | i just understood what it means, sorry :) |
| 04:51.14 | abrotman | try an apt-get update .. then try aptitude again |
| 04:51.32 | itchi | abrotman: ug |
| 04:51.38 | itchi | abrotman: aptitude update ?? |
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| 04:51.52 | shadok | the problem seems to be i didn't put the src repositories in the sources.list :) |
| 04:51.59 | abrotman | itchi: apt-get update |
| 04:52.15 | itchi | abrotman: Oldish guy :-p |
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| 04:52.34 | shadok | i doesn't need them atm, i'll add them when i need them |
| 04:52.36 | abrotman | itchi: read what i wrote |
| 04:53.08 | StarWars | Hi I have tried many times sending email to Yahoo and Hotmail. The result is that my emails are in their junk mail folder ...what can i do ? |
| 04:53.24 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, that's what i'm doing. But i not see why to use apt-get to update the packages list and then go to aptitude |
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| 04:55.45 | itchi | abrotman: :-p |
| 04:55.46 | shadok | anyway debian is really fast and easy to install, i'mu actually using it in a virtual machine to test some tools, it took 15min to install, that's great :) |
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| 04:57.49 | karsten | shadok: /topic |
| 04:58.01 | karsten | shadok: US mirrors can be out of sync |
| 04:58.02 | martyvis | any "standard" way to get debian at first boot (after installation) to prompt user for username, password, preferred repo's , etc? apart from writing my own script that is. this is for a debian VM to be supplied to students at a installfest |
| 04:58.28 | shadok | karsten: the download just freezed :/ |
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| 04:58.37 | shadok | ah no it's back |
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| 04:59.07 | shadok | i just want to have etch, being sync is not very important at this time :) |
| 04:59.13 | karsten | StarWars: Are you sending mail from your own host via a residential broadband connection? Best bet is to find out why HM/YH spamfilters think you're spam. |
| 04:59.24 | karsten | shadok: Out-of-synch mirrors are problematic. |
| 04:59.50 | karsten | shadok: ... it messes with your system, makes updates difficult. |
| 04:59.51 | shadok | you mean that incompatible versions can be installed concurrently ? |
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| 05:00.13 | karsten | shadok: Less that than the symptoms you're seeing. Package lists missing or out-of-date. |
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| 05:00.22 | shadok | hmm, i'll update again against an european server so |
| 05:00.46 | karsten | StarWars: If you're mailing from your system directly you're almost certainly going to be spamlisted via DynDNS RBLs. |
| 05:01.37 | abrotman | karsten: dns and rdns seem okay .. says it's a static ip too |
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| 05:02.02 | karsten | abrotman: What are you basing that on? His irc IP? |
| 05:02.17 | abrotman | karsten: no .. when i talked to him hours ago :) |
| 05:02.49 | karsten | abrotman: Dig. |
| 05:03.05 | DocPlatypus | "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the <foo> package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download" <-- what does aptitude really mean when it says this? |
| 05:03.11 | abrotman | karsten: nslookup! |
| 05:03.40 | DocPlatypus | I get it when trying to re-install a large portion of my system to try to combat the effects of suspected bit-rot |
| 05:03.42 | karsten | StarWars: Alternatively, what are you emailing? Run content through Spamassassin. See if you can check your IP via a multi-DNSBL checker. |
| 05:03.56 | bhundven | stupid ieee1394... I thought I was fighting my smc nic on eth1, but come to find out 1394 was wining the battle while the smc was on eth2 :( |
| 05:04.00 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Debian doesn't bitrot. |
| 05:04.16 | DocPlatypus | karsten: or let me rephrase, somehow part of my installation got corrupted |
| 05:04.21 | DocPlatypus | I think |
| 05:04.22 | karsten | DocPlatypus: ... and if you've got a locally installed apckage or something that's been stripped out of archives, you may have that problem. |
| 05:04.42 | karsten | DocPlatypus: If you don' tmind my asking: why do you suspect that? |
| 05:04.42 | DocPlatypus | then why not just disallow the reinstall action for those? |
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| 05:04.59 | itchi | DocPlatypus: Your better to backup and reinstall the stuff |
| 05:05.09 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Um. Post the full error message (to pastebin). Can't tell from context. |
| 05:05.14 | karsten | !tell DocPlatypus about paster |
| 05:05.21 | itchi | DocPlatypus: ... if your not sure what are corrupted |
| 05:05.24 | DocPlatypus | karsten: that *is* the full error message |
| 05:05.43 | DocPlatypus | the packages that do it are rhythmbox, locales, and gimp |
| 05:06.06 | DocPlatypus | anyway... the larger issues are that OpenOffice.org no longer starts under GNOME. I get the splash screen and it just sits there |
| 05:06.33 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Full command and output. |
| 05:06.45 | itchi | DocPlatypus: What got you as trouble exactly? A dieing HDD? |
| 05:06.51 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Mind: don't what to put you out or anything, but it's me trying to help you here. |
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| 05:07.21 | DocPlatypus | karsten: with OpenOffice.org? |
| 05:07.36 | StarWars | any Sendmail Guru ?:) i try to send a mail to myfrend@yahoo.com but he recived in Bulk ...must recived in Inbox. how do i configure mai sendmail to send to INBOX. ??? pls help |
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| 05:07.50 | karsten | DocPlatypus: generally: aptitude update; aptitude --reinstall install $( dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2 == "install" {print $1}') |
| 05:07.59 | karsten | DocPlatypus: NFC WRT that. |
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| 05:08.01 | Kaon | Wow, Debian installed fast... |
| 05:08.05 | Kaon | Even in VMWare, so fast |
| 05:08.05 | xhost | hello all |
| 05:08.06 | libervisco | hi |
| 05:08.12 | DocPlatypus | ok I'll try that |
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| 05:08.21 | libervisco | Anyone knows anything about this issue? http://paste.debian.net/23002 |
| 05:08.35 | itchi | DocPlatypus: See the reinstall factoids as a brain helper |
| 05:08.39 | karsten | StarWars: Um, you've been offered assistance twice already and have ignored it. Suggest you 1) pay attention and 2) switch to a mailer that's comprehensible (exim4, postfix). |
| 05:09.06 | libervisco | it happens with etch |
| 05:09.08 | DocPlatypus | karsten: aptitude: unrecognized option `--reinstall' |
| 05:09.29 | karsten | libervisco: What package was that? |
| 05:09.32 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Sec. |
| 05:09.48 | abrotman | aptitude reinstall .. no -- |
| 05:09.59 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Sorry. It's just 'aptitude reinstall' now. |
| 05:09.59 | libervisco | karsten, well I first got it when I tried to install php4-curl, but now I'm getting it even on dist-upgrade |
| 05:10.03 | itchi | !reinstall |
| 05:10.03 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 05:10.16 | karsten | libervisco: Smells like memory bugs. 'dmesg' or /var/log/kern.log say anything? |
| 05:11.42 | libervisco | hmm not much |
| 05:11.49 | libervisco | it's running in Xen though |
| 05:11.52 | libervisco | on slicehost |
| 05:11.56 | karsten | OK. |
| 05:12.09 | StarWars | karsten it whazan me :) it whaz my wife theat time ... |
| 05:12.23 | karsten | StarWars: /lastlog then. |
| 05:12.29 | karsten | StarWars: ... and answer the questions. |
| 05:12.34 | StarWars | so is not a cheance for me to eddit the sendmail config ? |
| 05:12.53 | karsten | StarWars: Not with your typing skills and sendmail's persnickityness. |
| 05:13.12 | StarWars | then you tellme and i past`it :) |
| 05:13.25 | abrotman | why are you using sendmail instead of postfix or exim ? |
| 05:13.27 | karsten | StarWars: I don't do sendmail. |
| 05:13.29 | StarWars | let me know where i must to eddit and all will be fine |
| 05:13.40 | karsten | StarWars: Install exim4. Have a nice day. |
| 05:13.53 | StarWars | i dont like exim |
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| 05:14.15 | solar_ant | hi all |
| 05:14.30 | abrotman | StarWars: why ? |
| 05:14.30 | solar_ant | what do i do to get the command chdir available in my system |
| 05:14.37 | solar_ant | i mena which package to install |
| 05:14.44 | abrotman | !find bin/chdir etch |
| 05:14.46 | karsten | solar_ant: "cd" |
| 05:14.53 | StarWars | abrotman do now :) no so secure think |
| 05:14.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/chdir' (1): (/usr/lib/debian-test/tests/linux/testcases/bin/{chdir01|chdir02|chdir03|...}) in misc/ltp-kernel-test. |
| 05:15.01 | abrotman | StarWars: have proof ? |
| 05:15.17 | DocPlatypus | ok now it's complaining thusly: |
| 05:15.18 | abrotman | wait ... you think exim is insecure .. but sendmail is okay ? |
| 05:15.18 | karsten | solar_ant: What are you trying to do? |
| 05:15.24 | StarWars | ppl talk over `it ..bla bla |
| 05:15.25 | bhundven | haha |
| 05:15.26 | DocPlatypus | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 05:15.26 | DocPlatypus | E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? |
| 05:15.39 | abrotman | DocPlatypus: because that's not in debian anymore |
| 05:15.47 | solar_ant | karsten: trying to run saslauthd |
| 05:15.48 | abrotman | DocPlatypus: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 05:15.54 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Are you root? Are you running (aptitude|apt-get) elsewhere? |
| 05:16.27 | DocPlatypus | not that I know of |
| 05:16.27 | abrotman | karsten: etch is -4- now |
| 05:16.35 | StarWars | abrotman can you help me with my sendmail pls ? any cheance ? |
| 05:16.42 | karsten | solar_ant: Um. chdir() is a syscall. "apt-cache search" will point to a couple other issues. |
| 05:16.47 | karsten | abrotman: ? |
| 05:16.53 | abrotman | StarWars: use postfix or exim |
| 05:16.58 | abrotman | karsten: the linux-image |
| 05:17.07 | karsten | abrotman: Dig. The other message though. |
| 05:17.16 | abrotman | karsten: which one ? |
| 05:17.18 | solar_ant | karsten: tried that , just shows a perl packaage , which is not useful |
| 05:17.29 | karsten | abrotman: 21:15 < DocPlatypus> E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? |
| 05:17.37 | abrotman | karsten: i didn't say that one! |
| 05:17.38 | abrotman | oh |
| 05:17.39 | StarWars | abrotman , i just deinstall postfix ... he send to yahoo.com in Bulk :( to. |
| 05:17.42 | karsten | solar_ant: Which makes me wonder what you think you need chdir for. |
| 05:17.45 | abrotman | karsten: double whammy |
| 05:17.48 | karsten | abrotman: I did ;-) |
| 05:17.51 | abrotman | StarWars: then yahoo hates you |
| 05:17.56 | solar_ant | karsten: the log was not right , ihad to just create the directory |
| 05:18.06 | solar_ant | karsten: sasauhd reported that chdir was missing |
| 05:18.12 | solar_ant | sasauthd* |
| 05:18.17 | solar_ant | saslauthd* |
| 05:18.20 | karsten | solar_ant: it's probably smoking something. |
| 05:18.27 | karsten | solar_ant: We gte teh ieda |
| 05:18.50 | solar_ant | yeah , now its fine karsten had to just create a directory , it was trying to chdir |
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| 05:19.49 | DocPlatypus | ok, maybe I should try to fix this without a complete reinstall |
| 05:20.18 | DocPlatypus | some problems are best fixed with delicate tools instead of the 50 pound sledgehammer |
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| 05:21.13 | rubenz | is there a debian 3.2 or debian 4.0 due out soon? |
| 05:21.16 | DocPlatypus | how does one troubleshoot OpenOffice.org? |
| 05:21.47 | DocPlatypus | I get splash screen, progress bar never moves, I've gotten something to the effect of something dying in .xsession-errors but I can't seem to get that message again now |
| 05:22.19 | DocPlatypus | ah-ha... ** (process:17361): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ... |
| 05:22.21 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 05:22.22 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 05:22.32 | rahul | rubenz: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 05:25.06 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Try strace. |
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| 05:28.46 | DocPlatypus | it ends at a "waitpid(-1," ... should I paste the whole thing to pastebin? |
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| 05:32.18 | sebastian | Hi |
| 05:32.21 | sebastian | Anyone here?! |
| 05:32.26 | DocPlatypus | or am I running strace on the wrong thing?! |
| 05:32.26 | sebastian | I need help |
| 05:32.29 | DocPlatypus | sebastian: nobody here but us cows |
| 05:32.30 | bhundven | !ask |
| 05:32.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:32.39 | sebastian | DocPlatypus: ok ^^^ |
| 05:32.43 | sebastian | apt-get moo |
| 05:32.46 | sebastian | anyways |
| 05:33.03 | sebastian | I managed to get into consolemode |
| 05:33.25 | sebastian | how do i get back to the graphical mode? |
| 05:33.44 | bhundven | how did you get in consolemode |
| 05:33.58 | sebastian | ctrl+alt+F12 |
| 05:33.58 | DocPlatypus | sebastian: try Ctrl+Alt+F7 |
| 05:34.20 | insmod | Ctrl+Alt+F7 |
| 05:34.27 | DocPlatypus | then go up through F8, F9 ... F12 if that fails |
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| 05:34.41 | DocPlatypus | err |
| 05:34.50 | bhundven | if your running gdm... (gnome) type: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 05:34.51 | bhundven | as root |
| 05:35.05 | DocPlatypus | it's on Ctrl+Alt+F7 by default |
| 05:35.23 | DocPlatypus | if you haven't gone mucking around that should work. |
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| 05:40.07 | torham | anyone else having problems with iceweasel in unstable? |
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| 05:40.13 | minus198 | ... |
| 05:40.19 | minus198 | IT FUCKING CRASHED! |
| 05:40.20 | minus198 | ... |
| 05:40.24 | minus198 | BYE UPTIME! |
| 05:40.26 | minus198 | ... |
| 05:40.28 | minus198 | FUCK! |
| 05:40.37 | minus198 | ... |
| 05:41.07 | DocPlatypus | torham: like bookmarks/history gone? |
| 05:41.09 | DocPlatypus | update again |
| 05:41.21 | grendal_prime | minus198: bummer... |
| 05:41.27 | minus198 | How the hel is it even possible to crash a linux system!?! |
| 05:41.29 | minus198 | HOW |
| 05:41.34 | minus198 | EXPLAIN TO ME! |
| 05:41.35 | DocPlatypus | for a while there was a version that looked in $HOME/.mozilla/iceweasel instead of $HOME/.mozilla/firefox |
| 05:41.37 | minus198 | z| |
| 05:41.51 | grendal_prime | shotgun? |
| 05:42.04 | grendal_prime | bad hd will do it...but takes some time. |
| 05:42.05 | DocPlatypus | minus198: same way anything else crashes. I had an OpenBSD box that couldn't even stay up with Viagra pills because the power supply was borked |
| 05:42.05 | torham | no, tab mix plus is broken now, so I switched to a different extension for single window, and its broken too now |
| 05:42.21 | minus198 | DocPlatypus, ^^ |
| 05:42.49 | minus198 | I think it crached 'cause I have compiz.. |
| 05:42.52 | grendal_prime | crazy non rotated log file...that will mess with you a bit. |
| 05:43.05 | minus198 | so mayby it fucks up somthing |
| 05:43.32 | grendal_prime | fat fucker like..one atached to a squid proxy server...that bastard will fill up an hd fast if you dont rotate it. |
| 05:43.33 | DocPlatypus | what's a compiz? |
| 05:43.45 | DocPlatypus | anyway |
| 05:43.47 | minus198 | you know.. the cubethingi |
| 05:43.52 | minus198 | XGL |
| 05:44.06 | grendal_prime | that shouldnt take down a system |
| 05:44.11 | grendal_prime | mess up X |
| 05:44.11 | DocPlatypus | could someone give me an English translation please? |
| 05:44.24 | DocPlatypus | anyway |
| 05:44.25 | minus198 | ^^ |
| 05:44.33 | grendal_prime | is this a server or desktop your talking about? |
| 05:44.37 | bhundven | minus198, I crash all of my computers... running debian linux... all the time. |
| 05:44.47 | rahul | DocPlatypus: it's a buggy WM |
| 05:44.49 | bhundven | it's 100% possible |
| 05:44.57 | torham | minus198: did it reboot or just hang? |
| 05:44.58 | DocPlatypus | I have a 798K strace file now and need to find clues in it |
| 05:45.09 | grendal_prime | bhundven: are you kidding me? i have debian systems that have been working for over 3 years. |
| 05:45.10 | minus198 | torham, just hang up.. |
| 05:45.19 | minus198 | I hade to kill the power.. |
| 05:45.39 | minus198 | -.- |
| 05:45.39 | bhundven | grendal_prime, I crash them. they don't crash on their own |
| 05:45.39 | rahul | minus198: open gl support requires drivers, which are buggy. |
| 05:45.39 | DocPlatypus | something tells me 798K is too much to even send to paster |
| 05:45.40 | grendal_prime | o |
| 05:45.42 | minus198 | rahul, mkay |
| 05:45.43 | eshaase | the debian installer doesn't allow the type of lvm config i'm trying to setup so I boot into the livecd of ubuntu 6.06 and manually setup my lvm config, then i install using the debian installer and proceed with my lvm/partition config, is there anything that i'm doing that i shouldn't? |
| 05:45.46 | torham | minus198: did you try to ssh into it frmo another computer...it might have just had the gui locked up |
| 05:45.58 | DocPlatypus | rahul: they are buggy because they are non-free and only the hardware manufacturers' programmers can fix them |
| 05:46.07 | minus198 | torham, nope.. |
| 05:46.10 | rahul | DocPlatypus: uh, the free ones are buggy, too |
| 05:46.20 | DocPlatypus | rahul: sometimes, yes |
| 05:46.20 | rahul | DocPlatypus: I've had software GL lock up the X server. |
| 05:46.30 | grendal_prime | minus198: did you try and switch to a term ? |
| 05:46.42 | rahul | DocPlatypus: to the point where ctrl-alt-backspace didn't do anything. |
| 05:46.51 | minus198 | Yeah.. that was the whole reason for the crash |
| 05:47.04 | torham | minus198: I usually try to to ssh in, then I can kill the program that went banana's. works a lot of the time |
| 05:47.05 | bhundven | grendal_prime, i used to crash systems to learn how stuff works... I guess it's a bad habit that I don't really use anymore that I still subconsciously do. |
| 05:47.06 | rahul | oh, terminal switching is often really buggy |
| 05:47.07 | DocPlatypus | anyway ... what's the upper limit on paster? |
| 05:47.30 | minus198 | torham, it crashed cause i tried to get out of consolemode you know.. |
| 05:48.03 | minus198 | not that important with uptime anyways.. |
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| 05:48.36 | torham | or you can try the magic-sysrq keys... |
| 05:48.44 | rahul | yeah, I used magic sysrq |
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| 05:49.00 | rahul | but sometimes even that's borked |
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| 05:51.23 | minus198 | Im fucking bored.. |
| 05:51.56 | minus198 | Can someone give me suggestions of what I should då?! |
| 05:52.53 | eshaase | is there any special things that I have to take into consideration when setting up an LVM system? i remember reading that /boot can't exist in the lvm or something like that |
| 05:53.12 | karsten | eshaase: Just Say No to LVM ;-) |
| 05:53.21 | DocPlatypus | karsten: why? |
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| 05:53.32 | karsten | eshaase: I'v found it's quite a bit of a pain for very little additional benefit. |
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| 05:54.15 | stoned | I've never had beer salt with beer |
| 05:54.16 | stoned | its good |
| 05:54.18 | stoned | yummy |
| 05:54.29 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Lousy docs (the Sistina docs notwithstanding), poorly understood, additional layer of complexity. |
| 05:54.44 | karsten | DocPlatypus: ... mostly for people who can't be assed to partition intelligently in the first place. |
| 05:55.03 | DocPlatypus | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5552 |
| 05:55.06 | stoned | karsten: what is intelligent partitioning |
| 05:55.28 | karsten | stoned: Something you'll never understand ;-) |
| 05:55.34 | stoned | karsten: I keep etc and home and boot and tmp seperate |
| 05:55.35 | karsten | stoned: Partitioning. Done intelligently. |
| 05:55.37 | DocPlatypus | all I have to say is, you haven't lived until you've had to deal with OpenBSD's disklabel |
| 05:55.47 | eshaase | karsten: well its kinda nice to combine multiple drives onto a single mount point |
| 05:55.49 | stoned | karsten: I think my partitioning scheme is quite good |
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| 05:55.51 | nichos | evening all, i have a 4 button mouse (left, right, scroll button, and another one by the thumb). How can i get the thumb button working? I tried xmodemap 1 2 3 4, no luck |
| 05:56.02 | DocPlatypus | in essence, things like that are how sysadmins become alcoholics |
| 05:56.13 | stoned | nichos: 4 5 are used for scroll up and down with wheel |
| 05:56.15 | karsten | stoned: Taking the piss out of someone. |
| 05:56.18 | eshaase | karsten: especially if you have a lot of media |
| 05:56.20 | stoned | karsten: I noticed :) |
| 05:56.22 | karsten | Taking the piss out of someone: stoned |
| 05:56.32 | karsten | There, you're good friends now. |
| 05:56.36 | stoned | lol |
| 05:56.38 | nichos | stoned, how can i get the "thumb" button to copy the scroll button action? |
| 05:57.06 | DocPlatypus | so nobody has a freaking clue? |
| 05:57.06 | concept10 | stoned, how do you like package? |
| 05:57.10 | karsten | DocPlatypus: There aren't any _technical_ objections I've got to LVM, per se. It seems not to fuck up, snapshotting can be cool, etc. |
| 05:57.11 | DocPlatypus | on the OpenOffice.org problem |
| 05:57.20 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Sorry, wasn't paying attention... |
| 05:57.23 | concept10 | stoned, i mean the package |
| 05:57.36 | DocPlatypus | karsten: see paster URL above |
| 05:57.40 | stoned | nichos: umm hmm not sure google around |
| 05:57.50 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Did you past that? |
| 05:57.53 | karsten | Um. Sec. |
| 05:58.10 | stoned | nichos: I would say perhaps google for your model/brand mouse + linux or "linux mouse howto" or "four button mouse linux" etc. etc. |
| 05:58.20 | stoned | concept10: I have not yet tried it |
| 05:58.23 | DocPlatypus | now I cut it some because it's just that four-/five-line riff repeating where it nanosleeps, etc. |
| 05:58.24 | stoned | concept10: what is it full of? |
| 05:58.31 | stoned | concept10: I have not yet had time to do anything |
| 05:58.53 | DocPlatypus | ok it's a four-line riff... of nanosleep, ioctl, write, poll |
| 05:58.54 | concept10 | stoned, a whole bunch or acoustic drum samples |
| 05:58.58 | stoned | ahh |
| 05:59.00 | grendal_prime | DocPlatypus: what the hell did you do to your oowriter... |
| 05:59.01 | stoned | concept10: nice |
| 05:59.01 | karsten | DocPlatypus: seems to be waiting for something. How long did you let that run? Note that strace slows shit down _a_ _lot_ |
| 05:59.20 | stoned | concept10: ##recording |
| 05:59.26 | DocPlatypus | karsten: I let it run for a good minute |
| 05:59.44 | DocPlatypus | it's just as borked in real time |
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| 06:00.29 | karsten | DocPlatypus: OK. |
| 06:00.39 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Alternative is to launch it w/o strace, then attach to it. |
| 06:01.01 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Nothing's jumping out at me. The libs it's complaining about not finding aren't on my system either. |
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| 06:01.12 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Have you tried creating a new user account and launching it under that? |
| 06:01.38 | linux_jones | what are *.nsh files? |
| 06:01.42 | karsten | DocPlatypus: This bugs me a bit: [pid 18488] read(7, 0xbfb0b250, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 06:01.55 | karsten | linux_jones: How should we know? What's 'file *.nsh' say? |
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| 06:03.21 | DocPlatypus | what exactly is that? |
| 06:03.21 | karsten | DocPlatypus: It's all over your strace output. |
| 06:03.21 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Suggests you're out of filehandles, PID entries, memory, or something similar. |
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| 06:03.42 | bhundven | hmm. I seem to be having a hard time figuring out how to extend the size of a volume group in lvm2. I've read through the howto and searched around on google... any suggestions? |
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| 06:03.49 | DocPlatypus | it's not memory. how do I check the others? |
| 06:03.57 | karsten | DocPlatypus: lsof | wc |
| 06:04.11 | karsten | DocPlatypus: ... will give you a count of open files. There's some stuff under /proc as well, sec. |
| 06:04.20 | linux_jones | devcpp.nsi ASCII english text, with CRLF line terminators |
| 06:04.20 | karsten | DocPlatypus: ps wuax | wc will count processes. |
| 06:04.24 | DocPlatypus | karsten: 4379 39126 467309 |
| 06:04.29 | karsten | linux_jones: There you have it. |
| 06:04.41 | bhundven | it seems to have made a small physical extent: Alloc PE / Size 7151 / 27.93 GB |
| 06:04.41 | karsten | linux_jones: crlf suggests it's a windows file format. Where'd you get that? |
| 06:04.56 | karsten | DocPlatypus: For which? lsof I'd hope. |
| 06:04.57 | bhundven | when I should er my bad that was the wrong one |
| 06:05.03 | DocPlatypus | for lsof, yes |
| 06:05.17 | linux_jones | trying to doewnload bloodshed dev c++ source code |
| 06:05.37 | bhundven | Free PE / Size 30504 / 119.16 GB << I should be able to use the whole PE, but I'm only able to use the 30M. I need to extend that |
| 06:05.41 | karsten | linux_jones: Suggest you ask the developer then. |
| 06:06.25 | DocPlatypus | 95 for the ps |
| 06:06.32 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Those are both sane. |
| 06:06.38 | DocPlatypus | that's reassuring |
| 06:06.54 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Dunno what OO.o is bitching about. It's a fucking mess though. |
| 06:06.58 | karsten | DocPlatypus: /proc/sys/fs |
| 06:07.04 | DocPlatypus | I only have 128M RAM but prior versions of OpenOffice.org did run under prior versions of GNOME on this same PC |
| 06:07.13 | karsten | DocPlatypus: ... has additional info on your system limits for files & filehandles. |
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| 06:07.27 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Um, that's piddling small ram these days. |
| 06:07.45 | karsten | Granted, not desktops. |
| 06:07.45 | minus198 | hi again.. Why cant i do apt-get update ?! E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 06:07.50 | DocPlatypus | yes it is, I know this system is essentially a fancy calculator |
| 06:07.53 | karsten | minus198: As root? |
| 06:08.15 | karsten | DocPlatypus: have you considered running a different office suite? |
| 06:08.16 | DocPlatypus | ok what am I looking at in /proc/sys/fs exactly? |
| 06:08.17 | minus198 | karsten, i tried that to yes |
| 06:08.36 | karsten | DocPlatypus: I'm rather fond of gnumeric/abiword or even klyx myself. |
| 06:08.53 | karsten | DocPlatypus: file-max, file-nr, inode-nr. man 5 proc |
| 06:09.00 | DocPlatypus | I know OpenOffice.org will run on this hardware. hell, it will run under Window Maker on this same PC |
| 06:09.07 | karsten | DocPlatypus: ... and those proggys have *much* lower system requirements. |
| 06:09.08 | DocPlatypus | but a lot of stuff is borked in WM |
| 06:09.11 | jetscreamer | die oo die |
| 06:09.14 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Such as? |
| 06:09.34 | DocPlatypus | 11622, 3008 0 11622, and 4482 216 respectively |
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| 06:09.58 | DocPlatypus | karsten: full screen mode is screwed up, including trying to do presentations with Impress |
| 06:10.22 | DocPlatypus | sometimes the origin is in the right place, other times it's way off from the corner |
| 06:10.22 | karsten | DocPlatypus: I find I've got to shade and unshade OO.o to get it to display properly. |
| 06:10.28 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Once I've done that, it works right. |
| 06:10.42 | DocPlatypus | unfortunately shading/unshading a full screen is impossible |
| 06:10.53 | karsten | DocPlatypus: As I said: OO.o is a steaming heap. It's always been fucked up and AFAICT always will be. |
| 06:11.06 | DocPlatypus | I will admit it's a pig |
| 06:11.09 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Try on the non-FS window, see if FS works then. |
| 06:11.24 | DocPlatypus | I'm surprised it runs decently on this old thing |
| 06:11.28 | DocPlatypus | or at least, ran |
| 06:11.30 | karsten | DocPlatypus: I've *only* got that problem with OO.o. I think the bug's been filed and fixed at least once. |
| 06:11.36 | karsten | s/ran/walked/ |
| 06:11.37 | stoned | die |
| 06:11.38 | stoned | er.. |
| 06:11.40 | stoned | jetscreamer: don't use it |
| 06:11.44 | karsten | s/walked/skulked along slowly/ |
| 06:11.51 | jetscreamer | i dont |
| 06:11.58 | stoned | oh ok then |
| 06:12.01 | stoned | just making sure |
| 06:12.01 | DocPlatypus | no it actually performed acceptably with only 128M RAM |
| 06:12.10 | stoned | jetscreamer: I also think it should die |
| 06:12.12 | DocPlatypus | there were a few things that made it kind of choke a bit |
| 06:12.27 | jetscreamer | fix oo fix |
| 06:12.36 | stoned | jetscreamer: beer |
| 06:13.26 | bhundven | oh... |
| 06:13.33 | stoned | haha |
| 06:13.37 | stoned | bhundven: great nickname |
| 06:13.43 | bhundven | ? |
| 06:13.47 | DocPlatypus | the disadvantage to abiword/gnumeric is that they aren't as tightly integrated. also, there is no analogous presentations program |
| 06:13.51 | stoned | I rarely see sanskrit nicks |
| 06:13.52 | stoned | :) |
| 06:13.52 | bhundven | it's my first initial and my last name... |
| 06:13.57 | DocPlatypus | unless I'm mistaken, which I may be |
| 06:14.13 | stoned | hah, bunderven is a sanskrit word meaning unity/peace/love |
| 06:14.15 | DocPlatypus | so were those numbers sane, karsten? |
| 06:14.19 | stoned | er.. |
| 06:14.22 | bhundven | um |
| 06:14.22 | stoned | bhundven |
| 06:14.26 | stoned | typo |
| 06:14.27 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Not sure, I'd have to reread the manpage. |
| 06:14.44 | DocPlatypus | karsten: man 5 proc right? for some reason I don't have it installed |
| 06:14.45 | stoned | v is almost silent btw its cool |
| 06:14.47 | karsten | DocPlatypus: They're both max limits and current allocations, need to see how close they are to one another. |
| 06:14.54 | karsten | DocPlatypus: Might be manpages-dev |
| 06:15.18 | stoned | bhundven: in hindi it means connection --stemming from sanskrits love etc. |
| 06:15.46 | stoned | but not like a virtual connection or tcp or anything |
| 06:15.51 | karsten | DocPlatypus: 'manpages' package. |
| 06:15.52 | stoned | like i dunno just a verbal connection i dunno |
| 06:16.23 | DocPlatypus | for some reason they got blown away when I was freeing space |
| 06:16.39 | DocPlatypus | highlighting the 'doc' section and hitting minus tends to blow away too much stuff |
| 06:16.40 | stoned | ahh fuck |
| 06:16.44 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:16.45 | stoned | I brokeded my powerpc! |
| 06:17.06 | jetscreamer | there's a lot more on bhundven the person than bhundven the sanskrit |
| 06:17.17 | stoned | awe it won't boot and I need to reinstall debian and I don't have original mac cds and openfirmware can't boot anything but mac os 8 cds |
| 06:17.22 | jetscreamer | way to get around, bhundven |
| 06:17.25 | stoned | what do I do now? help m1 |
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| 06:17.46 | DocPlatypus | karsten: could it be permissions? |
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| 06:18.14 | bhundven | ... |
| 06:18.14 | orkim | is there a php interpreter package? command line not apache module |
| 06:18.16 | stoned | kernel panic on every boot! needs to fix, networking is borked, it won't boot anything except macinstosh system 8 cds |
| 06:18.26 | stoned | what can I do? |
| 06:18.39 | stoned | and I don't have mac 8 cds |
| 06:18.42 | stoned | :( |
| 06:18.52 | jetscreamer | doorstop? |
| 06:18.59 | stoned | I used a mac control panel application to boot debian |
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| 06:19.20 | stoned | but after that the hdd was wiped |
| 06:19.33 | stoned | of course, so no more mac os and now it won't even oh foualsdjfalsj fuck! |
| 06:19.37 | jetscreamer | !comfort stoned |
| 06:19.37 | dpkg | There, there, stoned. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:20.44 | stoned | i don' twanna throw it away, I have a 200mhz cpu in there man |
| 06:20.46 | stoned | c'mon |
| 06:21.01 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 06:21.09 | stoned | :( |
| 06:21.18 | DocPlatypus | are some Macs stupid enough to only boot "authorized" boot media? |
| 06:21.32 | stoned | this is a powerbook 3400c from 97 |
| 06:21.55 | stoned | didn't you just hear me say system 8? openfirmware? 200mhz cpu ffs? |
| 06:22.00 | stoned | read* |
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| 06:22.21 | DocPlatypus | yes I saw that but I have only a passing familiarity with Apple gear |
| 06:22.25 | pepo | hi friends, |
| 06:22.32 | stoned | hello pepo |
| 06:22.34 | linux_jones | how do i install the parser perl module? |
| 06:22.53 | pepo | Where do I can look up for monodevelop 0.13 for Debian? |
| 06:23.11 | stoned | aptitude install php5-cli |
| 06:23.19 | stoned | you wanted cli for php right |
| 06:23.21 | stoned | or perl? |
| 06:24.55 | stoned | how did I read php |
| 06:25.03 | stoned | I know I read php somewhere |
| 06:25.46 | stoned | !tell peope -about search |
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| 06:29.33 | madd_matt | Hey, i'm somewhat unfamiliar with the debian kernels in apt. I'm running a core 2 duo processor, which means SMP, which i think is already included in all kernels. What package should I be installing to ensure up-to-datedness? |
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| 06:30.17 | madd_matt | linux-image-686 should do right? |
| 06:30.20 | stoned | madd_matt: yeh |
| 06:30.21 | stoned | thats fine |
| 06:30.35 | stoned | on etch you'd get .17 and on sid you get .18 |
| 06:30.43 | madd_matt | and that pulls in the real kernel as a dep. Great :) |
| 06:30.51 | stoned | you can actually also try the AMD64 port on the core 2 duo too |
| 06:31.12 | stoned | madd_matt: btw which one did you buy? |
| 06:31.19 | stoned | a cpu or a full system? |
| 06:31.47 | madd_matt | I just upgraded CPU/Video/motherboard/Ram |
| 06:31.52 | madd_matt | Core 2 duo E6300 |
| 06:31.53 | stoned | ahh |
| 06:31.57 | stoned | not bad |
| 06:32.02 | stoned | what mobo? |
| 06:32.10 | madd_matt | On a biostar motherboard |
| 06:32.11 | stoned | and what kinda ram? |
| 06:32.16 | stoned | chipset? |
| 06:32.30 | madd_matt | geh, intel chipset. I'd have to check for a number. |
| 06:32.47 | madd_matt | 965PT |
| 06:32.50 | stoned | of course, 965 or 75? |
| 06:32.51 | stoned | ahh |
| 06:32.54 | DocPlatypus | is Intel more free software friendly now? |
| 06:32.57 | DocPlatypus | time was I don't think they were |
| 06:33.04 | stoned | madd_matt: what ram? |
| 06:33.17 | madd_matt | Cheap Corsair value ram -- was on sale :P |
| 06:33.21 | stoned | ooh |
| 06:33.36 | stoned | voltage? cas? |
| 06:33.48 | stoned | heatspreader? |
| 06:33.48 | DocPlatypus | a friend's new barebone laptop build didn't like Corsair RAM... we're waiting on Kingston RAM to try in it now |
| 06:33.48 | madd_matt | I don't remember voltage |
| 06:34.05 | madd_matt | or timings |
| 06:34.10 | madd_matt | bleh, i'll look em' up :P |
| 06:34.14 | stoned | heh |
| 06:34.46 | DocPlatypus | anyway I am done fooling with this thing for tonight |
| 06:34.54 | stoned | I bought a 965p gigabyte s3, d6300, corsair xms2 667 ddr2 ram |
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| 06:35.01 | stoned | and x1900xtx video card |
| 06:35.04 | DocPlatypus | will try again tomorrow maybe |
| 06:35.22 | stoned | I have a clear side panel in my case on which I added 4 additional fans |
| 06:35.39 | stoned | plus 3 fans in the case already |
| 06:36.01 | stoned | now it runs at ram @ CAS5 1000mhz and cpu is @ 3500mhz fully stable |
| 06:36.02 | madd_matt | I got a geforce 7300GS -- I could have got better but I don't game all that much |
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| 06:36.29 | stoned | I had a 7600GS which I have overclocked from 400/800 to 575/1000 fully stable and under good temps |
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| 06:36.53 | stoned | since it uses ddr memory, i can't really OC it, highest I can go it 1000mhz, its still 400mhz slower than GT version |
| 06:37.17 | stoned | i bought it for 50$ :D |
| 06:37.22 | stoned | its paid for itself over and over |
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| 06:37.47 | stoned | madd_matt: I play oblivion, thats about it and I'm getting bored iwth games anyway |
| 06:38.00 | stoned | think I'll sell this 800$ system easily for about 1.5 grand |
| 06:38.05 | madd_matt | Oblivion runs on my older 6600GT so yeah |
| 06:38.17 | freespace | it does?! |
| 06:38.23 | madd_matt | Yep |
| 06:38.31 | freespace | i thought i won't be able to... |
| 06:38.39 | freespace | whats the cpu/ram requirements? |
| 06:38.52 | madd_matt | AMD athlon 3000+, 1gb ram |
| 06:38.58 | stoned | well I've got like 100+ mods and 2gb worth 8x better textures and all sliders max, and ini file tweaked to display stuff twice as far in everything and multithreading on in every way |
| 06:39.02 | stoned | runs great |
| 06:39.11 | stoned | I wish I didn't have to boot into windows to play it |
| 06:39.17 | stoned | thats the only suckage about it :( |
| 06:39.22 | freespace | ah poo |
| 06:39.25 | freespace | only got a 2600+ |
| 06:39.31 | madd_matt | I haven't tried on my linux box (this one) because I only recently got a good graphics card. |
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| 06:39.52 | freespace | i should do a desktop upgrade this year |
| 06:40.00 | freespace | c2d and all that jazz |
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| 06:40.39 | madd_matt | freespace, i'd still give it a try, grab the demo. If you've got a gig of ram it might run |
| 06:41.13 | madd_matt | Also, freespace, i'm craving to play the game (freespace) now. |
| 06:42.05 | stoned | when will I see fully awesome virtual reality? |
| 06:42.12 | stoned | or a flying car that runs on water? |
| 06:42.20 | stoned | or a commercial flight to mars? |
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| 06:42.49 | stoned | how about a teleporter? |
| 06:42.53 | stoned | well no |
| 06:42.57 | stoned | there could be bugs with that one |
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| 06:43.04 | stoned | what if you dont' teleport all the way |
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| 06:43.13 | madd_matt | I want a teleporter or a very fast plane/rocket/thingy. |
| 06:43.14 | stoned | what if you come out with like, your elbow coming out of your face |
| 06:43.30 | stoned | be like omG! |
| 06:43.40 | stoned | we had some turbulence while teleporting |
| 06:43.44 | stoned | my ass didn't come with us! |
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| 06:46.00 | freespace | madd_matt: freespace runs under wine... so you could! :) |
| 06:46.47 | madd_matt | freespace, My brother broke my disks in half, he was tired of me hogging all the computer time :( -- I need to go find another copy. In the EULA it says you're allowed to redistribute freespace2 to your friends ;) |
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| 06:47.43 | freespace | really? |
| 06:47.46 | freespace | i am your friend... |
| 06:48.23 | madd_matt | Got a fast upload ;) |
| 06:48.32 | freespace | got a fast download ;) |
| 06:48.41 | freespace | but only by http :\ |
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| 06:49.43 | madd_matt | That should be a question, not a statement :) |
| 06:50.04 | madd_matt | freespace, you're on one of *those* ISPs. |
| 06:50.11 | freespace | one of WHAT isps? |
| 06:50.22 | madd_matt | HTTP is fast, not other stuff. |
| 06:50.32 | madd_matt | = icky for filesharing |
| 06:50.43 | madd_matt | Rather, hosting your linux ISOs ;) |
| 06:51.05 | freespace | oh no, just this connection i am on is shaped |
| 06:51.10 | freespace | until tmr... |
| 06:51.22 | freespace | but i have a few servers on backbones where i can grab files of http |
| 06:51.31 | freespace | or rysnc/scp, then i go to work, and get them :) |
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| 06:52.46 | minus198 | hi ppl! How do i access the login configurator from gnome.. |
| 06:52.55 | rahul | what is a login configurator? |
| 06:53.04 | rahul | are you using ubuntu? |
| 06:53.04 | streuner | gdm |
| 06:53.04 | freespace | gdm and friends i think |
| 06:53.11 | minus198 | rahul, no.. |
| 06:53.11 | rahul | configurator? |
| 06:53.26 | streuner | there is gdm-config or such |
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| 06:53.39 | minus198 | rahul, you know, when you log in. you can choose 'actions' |
| 06:53.42 | rahul | you access foo through gnome the same way you access it not through gnome |
| 06:53.51 | rahul | minus198: shrug, I don't use flaky shit |
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| 06:53.59 | minus198 | what?! |
| 06:54.04 | minus198 | Debian Etch |
| 06:54.21 | minus198 | I use xfce4, but im doing some stuff in gnome right now.. |
| 06:54.34 | rahul | ooooook |
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| 06:55.23 | minus198 | so |
| 06:55.28 | minus198 | no one |
| 06:55.30 | minus198 | knows?! |
| 06:55.42 | rahul | we don't know what you want to do |
| 06:56.12 | rahul | but you access it from gnome the same way you access it from outside of gnome |
| 06:56.30 | streuner | freespace: http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/admin-guide/gdm-2.html |
| 06:56.43 | minus198 | Why dont you log out, press the actions button, choose login configurator |
| 06:56.54 | rahul | minus198: me? |
| 06:57.10 | stoned | streuner: ! rahul ! |
| 06:57.13 | rahul | I don't have an "actions button" |
| 06:57.25 | rahul | stoned: ! streuner ! |
| 06:57.28 | minus198 | wtf |
| 06:58.02 | stoned | kdm/gdm/xdm suck |
| 06:58.17 | minus198 | It comes standard with debian if you choose to install the desktop enviroment |
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| 06:58.30 | stoned | minus198: well don't use tasksel |
| 06:58.54 | rahul | minus198: what is your point? |
| 06:59.01 | stoned | they should raise the drinking age limit to like 60 |
| 06:59.06 | rahul | mysql also comes standard with debian if you choose to install it |
| 06:59.16 | stoned | I'm 26 almost and I'm already bored with life |
| 06:59.21 | rahul | stoned: stop people over 60 from drinking? |
| 06:59.26 | stoned | at least with the new age limit i'll have something to look forward to |
| 06:59.28 | stoned | no |
| 06:59.29 | streuner | haha |
| 06:59.29 | stoned | wtf? |
| 06:59.35 | rahul | that's mean. |
| 06:59.37 | rahul | heh |
| 07:00.04 | rahul | it's not like people under 21 don't drink anyway |
| 07:00.23 | stoned | you completely missed it |
| 07:00.26 | rahul | 14-16 is when a lot of people start drinking |
| 07:00.27 | stoned | streuner got it |
| 07:00.36 | stoned | thats why hes quiet :) |
| 07:01.08 | streuner | this discussion isn't useful |
| 07:01.29 | rahul | my brother has practically stopped drinking now that he's 21 |
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| 07:02.46 | streuner | s/useful/helpful/ |
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| 07:02.59 | stoned | useful is the right word |
| 07:03.09 | streuner | ok |
| 07:03.26 | Joel0004 | i'm looking for a ftp server that has Virtual Users guys that i can easly add more users i tryed mysql based proftpd and can't get it working can you guys point me in the right diection |
| 07:03.30 | rahul | there's other stuff you can do if you're bored with drinking :P |
| 07:03.50 | stoned | Joel0004: vsftpd supports virtual users, so does proftpd I think |
| 07:04.11 | Joel0004 | see i'm seting up for a buudy |
| 07:04.18 | stoned | vsftpd |
| 07:04.20 | pstickne | ftp. uuuck! :p |
| 07:04.20 | Joel0004 | and it will be a bit hard if he has |
| 07:04.26 | Joel0004 | to edit confs |
| 07:04.27 | Joel0004 | to add users |
| 07:04.33 | Joel0004 | i looked at vsftpd i don't see a way |
| 07:04.37 | Joel0004 | to easly add users |
| 07:04.41 | rahul | it would probably be hard for you, too |
| 07:04.59 | rahul | since you'd keep hitting enter in the middle of a line you're supposed to put in the config |
| 07:05.38 | stoned | !enter |
| 07:05.39 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
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| 07:06.54 | pwned | I press enter all the time. |
| 07:07.20 | streuner | read the factoid again :-) |
| 07:07.26 | pwned | why? |
| 07:07.45 | streuner | !why |
| 07:07.46 | dpkg | Because! |
| 07:07.57 | pwned | I'm not your slave! |
| 07:08.23 | stoned | this is like one of the most lenient channels I've ever seen |
| 07:08.24 | stoned | you could get away with almost anything |
| 07:08.28 | thoreauputic | !lart pwned |
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| 07:09.06 | pwned | oh no, sadists with instatiable egos, what do I do ? |
| 07:09.15 | pwned | s/tat/at/ |
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| 07:09.25 | thoreauputic | pwned: pedants too ;) |
| 07:09.38 | pwned | oh great, now I feel home |
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| 07:11.53 | streuner | pwned: Ever read in your IRC-Client 30 lines from the same person and he talks and talks, without punctions?... |
| 07:12.02 | dondelelcaro | Joel0004: there are quite a few howtos on how to do it; using proftpd and SQL or the proftpd administrator tools is the way to go |
| 07:12.32 | pwned | streuner: not really, but I understand the annoyance. |
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| 07:16.44 | streuner | Don't |
| 07:16.46 | streuner | get |
| 07:16.47 | streuner | that |
| 07:16.50 | streuner | wrong ;-) |
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| 07:22.12 | g3brown | I have a tar with a sub dirs in it. For example say inside the tar I have a dir called main & then 2 sub dirs under that dir1 & dir2. I can extract dir1 using 'tar xzf filename dir1 -C /extract/path' but it then it makes /extract/path/main/dir1 when I just want /ext |
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| 07:24.54 | streuner | why not just using 'mc'? |
| 07:27.57 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.24 | dondelelcaro | g3brown: you can use --transform and quite a few other tar options, like --cut-dirs (iirc) to do just that |
| 07:29.26 | g3brown | rahul: sorry, I just want the dir1 dir to the specified path. If I specify /temp/ I want /temp/dir1 and not /temp/main/dir1 |
| 07:30.10 | rahul | it's really difficult to figure out what you're saying |
| 07:30.27 | dondelelcaro | err, --strip-components, not --cut-dirs |
| 07:30.40 | dondelelcaro | g3brown: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html#transform |
| 07:31.34 | dondelelcaro | ah... wget does |
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| 07:34.17 | g3brown | dondelelcaro: thanks, that exactly what I looking for... |
| 07:36.01 | dondelelcaro | g3brown: yeah, in the future, for GNU commands anyway, you really want to read the info manuals |
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| 07:36.25 | dondelelcaro | g3brown: they have *far* more options listed than are usually shown in the manpage, especially for things like find and tar. |
| 07:36.28 | streuner | if you don't like 'info' just try tkinfo |
| 07:36.46 | Gnea | or pinfo |
| 07:36.58 | g3brown | dondelelcaro: yeah, didn't even know about that page you sent. I knew there was option, but couldn't find anything in man |
| 07:37.09 | g3brown | dondelelcaro: or --help for that matter |
| 07:38.01 | Gnea | g3brown: if manpages and the --help options aren't working, info pages are often the next step - there is sometimes something in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/ as well |
| 07:38.47 | dondelelcaro | yeah, the page I sent you to are the info manuals; unfortunatly, we don't distribute them in main anymore because they're licensed using the GFDL |
| 07:39.06 | insmod | wine is the windows emulator -- is there one for mac osx? |
| 07:39.12 | Gnea | GFDL? |
| 07:39.20 | dondelelcaro | insmod: mol? |
| 07:39.23 | streuner | !gfdl |
| 07:39.24 | dpkg | from memory, gfdl is the GNU "free"documentation license, see discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html |
| 07:39.38 | dondelelcaro | insmod: although, wine isn't an emulator (nor is mol) |
| 07:39.51 | dondelelcaro | (if you want an emulator, you want qemu or similar) |
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| 07:41.02 | Gnea | well that blows |
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| 07:41.31 | insmod | dondelelcaro: what is the diff |
| 07:41.35 | Tigger__ | insmod, pearpc |
| 07:42.30 | Tigger__ | you can run max osx on pearpc |
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| 07:42.50 | insmod | Tigger__: ahhh no i just need a program to run |
| 07:43.10 | Tigger__ | oh i see |
| 07:43.22 | dondelelcaro | insmod: an emulator emulates a arch; it actually behaves like a target CPU. Wine and mol do not do that |
| 07:44.06 | insmod | dondelelcaro: got it so how can i just run a program |
| 07:44.08 | Tigger__ | unless i'm wrong you can run a single promramme or mac on mol |
| 07:44.17 | streuner | insmod: which one? |
| 07:44.28 | Tigger__ | *for |
| 07:44.31 | insmod | streuner: protools |
| 07:44.48 | streuner | insmod: and what's that good for? |
| 07:44.57 | Gnea | damn.. i missed the eclipse |
| 07:45.10 | Gnea | but it's got everything lit up like a christmas tree |
| 07:45.12 | insmod | streuner:same as linux ardour -- just finished lol :) |
| 07:45.30 | insmod | streuner: for a DAW |
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| 07:47.38 | streuner | insmod: looks like a music app to me, did you ever look at demudi? |
| 07:49.05 | insmod | streuner: not even close i like audacity though -- and ardour is the best so far -- just support for hardware mixers is behind |
| 07:50.14 | insmod | streuner: sorry i was thinking ecasound |
| 07:50.38 | insmod | streuner: demundi -- no need i have all the apps working just fine |
| 07:50.56 | insmod | streuner:just wanted to load protools |
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| 07:55.09 | streuner | !demudi |
| 07:55.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, demudi is Debian Multimedia Distribution, a distro optimized for audio and multimedia work, based on Debian. DeMuDi is available at http://www.agnula.org/ |
| 07:55.40 | insmod | streuner:ya i know |
| 07:55.45 | streuner | ok |
| 07:56.08 | insmod | streuner:ardour is the best app |
| 07:56.19 | streuner | well, most of them are musicans, i would ask them at the ML too |
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| 07:57.00 | insmod | streuner:audacity is great but for a daw ardour is best it just doen't support all the mixers yet |
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| 07:59.00 | insmod | streuner:i use them both in my studio -- i was just curious if i could load it |
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| 08:00.49 | lfurrea | how do I make apt-get to install the configuration files that come with the package? |
| 08:01.16 | streuner | apt-get install --reinstall <package>? |
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| 08:02.14 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 08:02.14 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 08:02.16 | dondelelcaro | lfurrea: see above. |
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| 08:09.18 | xingu | surely the correct things for dpkg to do in that instance would be install the config file, but as .dpkg-dist ? |
| 08:09.52 | dondelelcaro | nope |
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| 08:10.33 | dondelelcaro | removing a configuration file is perfectly legitimate; creating random files when you've done that is not a feature |
| 08:10.53 | dondelelcaro | esp. because it's so trivial to cause them to appear if you actually want them |
| 08:11.44 | xingu | the bit that's non-obvious is that they become unknown-unknowns; you don't know what might be missing unless you confmiss every package on the system from time to time |
| 08:12.04 | lfurrea | dondelelcaro: so if I want to use apt the line would be: apt-get -o install <package>? |
| 08:12.07 | dondelelcaro | they don't disappear unless you've actually removed them |
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| 08:12.16 | dondelelcaro | lfurrea: it gave the apt-get line. |
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| 08:16.50 | VImtermute | oy |
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| 08:20.14 | lfurrea | dondelelcaro: if I use apt-get -o install, it asks me for the config file to use. But I want the files that come with the binary |
| 08:20.47 | LinuxHelp | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-*- xserver-xorg-input-*- xserver-xorg-core+ xserver-xorg-input-synaptics+ # I'm trying to install just the two + packages, but this says: E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-* |
| 08:21.43 | lfurrea | E: Option install: Configuration item specification must have an =<val>. |
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| 08:23.37 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 08:23.38 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 08:23.48 | dondelelcaro | lfurrea: read what it says above again. |
| 08:24.06 | dondelelcaro | LinuxHelp: why are you listing xserver-xorg-video-*; then? |
| 08:24.33 | dondelelcaro | (and + when the main option is install is redundant) |
| 08:24.35 | LinuxHelp | dondelecaro, it has a - after it, so that means don't install right? |
| 08:24.49 | dondelelcaro | LinuxHelp: no |
| 08:25.05 | LinuxHelp | Its just that if I just specify the two + options, then it installs all the video and all the input |
| 08:25.40 | dondelelcaro | LinuxHelp: so install a specific video or a specific input |
| 08:26.00 | dondelelcaro | LinuxHelp: you'll find that using the curses aptitude interface makes this sort of thing easier if you're confused. |
| 08:26.03 | piper69 | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 08:27.23 | piper69 | i am running Debian 4.0 kernel 2.6.18-4-686 i am trying to install Netgear MA401 can someone please help me |
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| 08:27.52 | streuner | what does 'lspci -v | grep -i eth' say? |
| 08:27.57 | Guerin | !fgi netgear+ma401+linux |
| 08:28.09 | Guerin | !fgi piper69 netgear+ma401+linux |
| 08:28.10 | dpkg | piper69: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=netgear+ma401+linux |
| 08:28.11 | Guerin | better |
| 08:28.20 | LinuxHelp | dondelelcaro, anyway, now when I type: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-savage xserver-xorg-input-synaptics # It installs just the savage video (which is good) but then it installs ALL the inputs |
| 08:28.41 | LinuxHelp | or at least five or six of them |
| 08:28.58 | piper69 | streuner: 02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller (rev 03) |
| 08:29.06 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: why do you care? |
| 08:29.20 | Guerin | piper69: is that the netgear? |
| 08:29.36 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, well I have hd space constraints |
| 08:29.38 | Guerin | piper69: what sort of network card is this? |
| 08:29.43 | piper69 | Guerin: how can i tell |
| 08:29.55 | Guerin | piper69: eyeometer |
| 08:30.21 | LinuxHelp | but ok, I guess if its not possible to deselect things like xserver-xorg-input-wacom, then I'll just have to live with it |
| 08:30.35 | Guerin | it should be |
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| 08:30.43 | streuner | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/67430-how-increase-resolution.html |
| 08:30.50 | Guerin | i just haven't ever bothered |
| 08:31.04 | streuner | according to the URL it should just work in Debian â„¢ |
| 08:31.15 | piper69 | Guerin: what do you mean, |
| 08:31.17 | streuner | !hcl |
| 08:31.17 | dpkg | it has been said that hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 08:31.37 | streuner | piper69: just use 'kmuto's' HCL |
| 08:31.52 | dondelelcaro | LinuxHelp: uh... because obviously you |
| 08:31.57 | Guerin | kmuto is the man |
| 08:32.04 | dondelelcaro | LinuxHelp: uh... because obviously you need xserver-xorg-input-kbd and a few other inputs |
| 08:32.12 | streuner | Guerin: what's wrong? |
| 08:32.18 | piper69 | streuner: what is that |
| 08:32.27 | Guerin | streuner: nothing another beer won't fix. |
| 08:32.30 | dondelelcaro | LinuxHelp: you're probably better off just installing all of those packages until you know exactly what you need and why you need it. |
| 08:32.36 | Guerin | piper69: have a look and see |
| 08:32.39 | streuner | piper69: driver-locator - makes things easer which module you need... |
| 08:33.19 | piper69 | Guerin: why are you beeing fucking rude guy, no onw asked for your help you jumped in and asked |
| 08:33.20 | streuner | s/easer/easier/ |
| 08:33.48 | Guerin | piper69: I am the anti-stupid patrol. You're asking stupid questions and refusing to do anythign for yourself. |
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| 08:34.12 | Guerin | piper69: thank you for your compliance. |
| 08:34.12 | piper69 | whatever |
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| 08:34.16 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 08:34.17 | dpkg | whatever is probably the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 08:34.42 | streuner | piper69: How about to solve your problem and check out kmuto's DL? |
| 08:34.43 | Guerin | piper69: so, are you going to start using google and checking shit out for yourself, or must I taunt you a second time? |
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| 08:35.27 | x-Dieu | !paste |
| 08:35.28 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 08:35.55 | streuner | if you want fun in Debian you should be able to read docs and know HOW to use google. |
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| 08:36.17 | streuner | if you don't, you prolly don't have fun with ANY OS. |
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| 08:36.28 | piper69 | Guerin: just shut up , i have been here for 3 night i have got 6 pcmcia cards here and none is working , abrotman, ankman and stoner were heling me but no luck, just go find a cloud |
| 08:36.36 | piper69 | streuner: i am search for it |
| 08:36.43 | pyrohotdog | My tty1 is completely fubar...all garbled characters and such...if you look real close you can kinda make out text... |
| 08:36.50 | xingu | ma401 is one of those fun prism designs that has various flavours of prism2/ prism2.5 with variously broken pri and sta firmware; its pcmcia, so it won't show with lspci |
| 08:36.52 | Guerin | piper69: it sounds as if your pcmcia subsystem is busted. |
| 08:36.57 | streuner | piper69: So do that NOW |
| 08:37.48 | xingu | if you want it to work you probably need hostap and to go read a little about how to get a known good firmware flashed onto it - jun sun I think wrote a faq on that many moons ago |
| 08:37.49 | piper69 | streuner: i did apt-cache search kmuto and couldn't find it |
| 08:38.05 | xingu | but at some point you've gotta ask yourself if it's worth using something that obsolescent and power hungry |
| 08:38.08 | streuner | !hcl |
| 08:38.09 | dpkg | [hcl] at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 08:38.15 | streuner | piper69: ^^^^ |
| 08:38.28 | Guerin | ... |
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| 08:39.44 | piper69 | xingu: i have the netgear MA401 and MA521 also Linksys WCP11 ver4 and D-Link DWL-650 none of them is working |
| 08:40.00 | xingu | that's unfortunate |
| 08:40.09 | piper69 | streuner: i will read that , and btw thank you for being so kind |
| 08:40.44 | streuner | hell, iam asking myself why he want provoke me |
| 08:40.54 | xingu | all of those designs are prism's and the same comments apply; as does guerin's, about possibly busted pcmcia. |
| 08:41.44 | piper69 | xingu: don't think so because they were working in windows |
| 08:42.06 | piper69 | so i know that the pcmcia ext is working so as the cards |
| 08:42.36 | xingu | but you don't know whether or not your pcmcia controller is working in linux yet... |
| 08:42.51 | piper69 | yea |
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| 08:43.32 | Guerin | pcmcia is standard, though |
| 08:43.44 | xingu | anyway, I've got better things to do with a sunday than troubleshoot something that's reasonably well documented in the various model-specific linux on laptop sites that are readily findable through google |
| 08:43.46 | Guerin | i've never seen one which wasn't detected and sorted out automatically |
| 08:43.51 | xingu | I have. :) |
| 08:44.04 | Guerin | pcmcia is far superior to pci, as well |
| 08:44.11 | xingu | eh? :) |
| 08:44.22 | xingu | pcmcia is hotpluggable isa dude |
| 08:44.29 | xingu | you might be thinking about cardbus |
| 08:44.33 | rahul | !penixstrike Guerin |
| 08:44.33 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Guerin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 08:44.38 | Guerin | xingu: yeah, cardbus. |
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| 08:44.54 | Guerin | ok, it's slower, but the hotpluggability and shit is good |
| 08:45.06 | Guerin | pcmcia to me == form factor |
| 08:45.07 | rahul | pci is hotpluggable... isn't it? |
| 08:45.22 | Guerin | rahul: only on a very small number of boards |
| 08:45.39 | Guerin | (and not very reliably IME) |
| 08:45.47 | insmod | piper69: just use ndiswrapper if they don't go |
| 08:46.10 | rahul | streuner: you mean like headphones? |
| 08:46.21 | insmod | piper69: it may have taken dayes but they work |
| 08:46.28 | rahul | streuner: or usb devices? |
| 08:46.29 | streuner | exeptions state the rules (USB) |
| 08:46.34 | rahul | heh |
| 08:46.50 | streuner | but we talking about PCI |
| 08:46.53 | Guerin | that was unwise |
| 08:46.55 | rahul | linux supports hot-plugging CPUs |
| 08:46.57 | rahul | haha |
| 08:47.12 | rahul | it's perfectly, safe, too |
| 08:47.17 | Guerin | rahul: in multi-cpu machines, I presume :) |
| 08:47.18 | piper69 | insmod: thank you but my goal is to use kismet and ndiswrapper doesn't work for that |
| 08:47.18 | streuner | Guerin: somebody did that, but he hadn't a problem - it was just _luck_ |
| 08:47.24 | rahul | Guerin: well, yeah :) |
| 08:47.32 | Guerin | streuner: i guess it might depend if anything was using that ram |
| 08:47.46 | Guerin | in my case it just blew the remaining stick |
| 08:47.53 | Guerin | not the one I took out - the one I left in |
| 08:47.55 | rahul | Guerin: and if the ram you put back can work under the same specs |
| 08:48.01 | lfurrea | dondelelcaro: I ran the line as you gave it to me, and the package gets reinstalled but no luck with the config files |
| 08:48.07 | rahul | ouch |
| 08:48.18 | streuner | Guerin: he just didn't regonises that the box was still running :-) |
| 08:48.34 | streuner | so he removed RAM :-)) |
| 08:48.55 | xingu | main real benefit of hotplug is power management; putting an unused 3.3V device to sleep can save goodly chunks of power |
| 08:49.17 | rahul | er |
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| 08:49.25 | xingu | apart from that you need a form factor that lends itself to hotplug to get any appreciable benefit from in-field serviceability angle |
| 08:49.26 | rahul | hot plugging is more useful to server machines |
| 08:49.43 | LinuxHelp | yay, x-works |
| 08:49.46 | rahul | you'll have such a form factor if you have a server |
| 08:49.57 | xingu | hey, preaching, choir, to; I run about 40 or so of them at last count at work |
| 08:50.06 | streuner | Guerin: as you mentioned before..., not all of them (RAM) |
| 08:50.08 | xingu | none under linux mind - yet. |
| 08:50.35 | piper69 | found the orinoco_cs module will work with MA401 |
| 08:50.50 | streuner | !congratulate piper69 |
| 08:50.51 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies piper69, you did it! |
| 08:50.55 | xingu | and again the main benefit there is not the hotplugging per se, it's about being able to hot-down a faulty peripheral so that the service window can be scheduled |
| 08:51.16 | rahul | not really |
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| 08:51.24 | rahul | it's about being able to replace it on the fly |
| 08:51.34 | rahul | especially with hot-pluggable drives, of course |
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| 08:51.35 | piper69 | now comes the hard part i guess |
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| 08:51.50 | rahul | with RAID, you get zero downtime from a failure |
| 08:52.06 | xingu | people still have non hotplug drives? |
| 08:52.08 | rahul | 'tis a beautiful thing :) |
| 08:52.09 | streuner | !tell piper69 about interfaces |
| 08:52.17 | xingu | it's been a decade since I took something like that into operation |
| 08:52.18 | piper69 | iwconfig say that there is no wireless card extention |
| 08:52.35 | rahul | xingu: the bay may not be hotpluggable |
| 08:52.45 | rahul | you need a bay that's externally accessible |
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| 08:53.01 | streuner | piper69: what kind of laptop is that? |
| 08:53.19 | xingu | rahul: so does the storage controller and the system backplane |
| 08:53.54 | piper69 | streuner: toshiba satellite 1905-s301 |
| 08:54.20 | rahul | xingu: what doesn't? |
| 08:54.26 | rahul | xingu: PATA, that's all |
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| 08:55.01 | rahul | if you have a server with PATA, you deserve to lose. |
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| 08:55.38 | xingu | the 1905-s301 has a minipci slot |
| 08:55.47 | xingu | what are you doing messing around with pcmcia? |
| 08:56.06 | Gnea | hrmm |
| 08:56.30 | Gnea | piper69: sounds similar to one that i have |
| 08:56.35 | Gnea | wireless works fine on it |
| 08:57.03 | piper69 | Gnea: maybe you can help then, put on your gear and help me lol |
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| 08:57.15 | Gnea | piper69: what branch and kernel are you running? |
| 08:57.49 | piper69 | Gnea: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 08:58.15 | streuner | Gnea: etch |
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| 08:58.59 | piper69 | is there is a way that i can use irssi to echo for example my kerenl is cat > $(uname -r) |
| 08:59.18 | streuner | piper69: /exec -o cat /proc/version |
| 08:59.19 | Gnea | hmmm |
| 08:59.20 | VImtermute | piper69, /run, /exec |
| 08:59.21 | piper69 | Gnea: like streuner said |
| 08:59.34 | piper69 | streuner: thats the one |
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| 09:00.00 | piper69 | cat: invalid option -- r |
| 09:00.00 | piper69 | Try `cat --help' for more information. |
| 09:00.11 | piper69 | cat --help |
| 09:00.13 | Gnea | must've typed it wrong |
| 09:00.28 | Gnea | try /exec cat /proc/version till you get it right |
| 09:00.43 | Gnea | then -o when you do (that will show it to the channel) |
| 09:01.13 | piper69 | Gnea: any wasy you can help me with the wireless stuff |
| 09:01.31 | Gnea | piper69: that's what i'm doing |
| 09:02.33 | piper69 | Gnea: just let me know what info you need |
| 09:03.49 | Gnea | piper69: okay, i've got a s105-s501 (it's not a satellite) and iirc, I had to make sure that the card was being detected properly |
| 09:04.19 | piper69 | Gnea: how can i do that |
| 09:04.47 | Gnea | piper69: so can you paste the output of lspci and iwconfig to http://pasteitto.gnea.net ? |
| 09:04.48 | piper69 | Gnea: what do i have to add to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:05.04 | Gnea | piper69: paste the /etc/network/interfaces too |
| 09:05.09 | xingu | piper69: also lspcmcia |
| 09:05.45 | xingu | piper69: and cardctl ident and cardctl status for good measure |
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| 09:05.58 | Gnea | piper69: i started my own paster site and really haven't had a chance to test it out, so this'll be perfect :) |
| 09:06.18 | piper69 | lol |
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| 09:09.39 | Gnea | stupid workstation keeps crashing...great |
| 09:10.25 | greek_ | morning everyone! i want to set up a small server in my room that will act as a file server. i was wondering, can i use it for downloading stuff froim torrrents and such? |
| 09:12.50 | piper69 | Gnea: its in your pastebin |
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| 09:13.26 | Gnea | piper69: you should paste the url here |
| 09:13.47 | piper69 | http://pasteitto.gnea.net/2 |
| 09:14.17 | Gnea | ok |
| 09:14.22 | Gnea | what wireless card are you using? |
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| 09:16.28 | piper69 | Gnea: netgrear MA401 |
| 09:18.12 | Gnea | piper69: can you paste the output of lsmod to the site please? |
| 09:19.53 | piper69 | http://pasteitto.gnea.net/3 |
| 09:20.05 | xingu | piper69: also cardctl insert 1; cardctl ident |
| 09:20.15 | Gnea | weird |
| 09:20.24 | Gnea | it's trying to use hostap and orinoco at the same time |
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| 09:20.44 | piper69 | xingu: it's in the first post |
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| 09:21.21 | Gnea | piper69: if you pop the card out, what is the result of lsmod? |
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| 09:21.36 | xingu | piper69: so i see; i also see that the device is inserted but not identified; i'm asking you to trigger a soft-insert event and rescan |
| 09:22.05 | Gnea | xingu: he may have to blacklist a module first - sounds like a conflict |
| 09:22.34 | piper69 | Gnea: what do you want me to do first |
| 09:22.43 | piper69 | now i unpluged the card |
| 09:22.43 | Gnea | piper69: take the card out |
| 09:22.49 | piper69 | its out |
| 09:22.51 | Gnea | now, lsmod to the paste again |
| 09:24.27 | piper69 | http://pasteitto.gnea.net/4 |
| 09:24.39 | xingu | Gnea: there is some crossover between pcmcia vendor/device ids orinoco vs hostap; they both drive the same hw; modinfo will show you how this happens, in the "alias" strings |
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| 09:24.58 | Gnea | ... |
| 09:25.21 | Gnea | xingu: ultimately, hostap is probably going to have to be blacklisted |
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| 09:25.28 | xingu | Gnea: of the two I've always preferred hostap; I had no end of issues with orinoco, and hostap lets you do things like firwmare flashing. |
| 09:25.49 | Gnea | xingu: true, but is hostap compatible with that particular card? |
| 09:26.07 | xingu | Gnea: I'd take a good guess it would be |
| 09:26.49 | Gnea | xingu: acording to what google has to say, it looks not... but ... |
| 09:27.06 | xingu | Gnea: ma401 is one of these card-of-the-month cards too just to make the soup more interesting; the sku and brand name mean nowt, what matters is the deviceid and ident string |
| 09:27.10 | Gnea | piper69: see if you can run these commands: modprobe -r orinoco |
| 09:27.25 | Gnea | xingu: yeah |
| 09:27.27 | xingu | I think I even still have an ma401 lying about somewhere |
| 09:27.41 | Gnea | i don't, so i wouldn't know for sure :) |
| 09:28.17 | piper69 | FATAL: Module orinoco is in use. |
| 09:29.06 | Gnea | piper69: okay, just reboot the system without the netgear card in it |
| 09:29.30 | piper69 | will do and then will come back here |
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| 09:30.08 | xingu | cardctl by the power of magic has become pccardctl |
| 09:31.40 | Gnea | duhn-duhn-DUHN!!! |
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| 09:34.05 | piper69 | Gnea: ok am back |
| 09:35.00 | hatter | RC Bugs = 79 ... wohoo... :) |
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| 09:35.11 | Gnea | piper69: okay, paste the output of lsmod now |
| 09:36.01 | Gnea | i need a better camera :) either that or i need to get out of the city to take moon pictures |
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| 09:36.32 | xingu | hmm, it seems like portmap isn't too discriminating about the port numbers it offers, which gives you *tada* a rather cool failure mode; rpc services binding randomly in early boot to ports that inetd or daemons will later try (and fail) to service |
| 09:36.55 | xingu | I had a hunch that portmap used to use the >10k- range ports for just that reason |
| 09:37.15 | Guerin | xingu: are you serious? |
| 09:37.20 | xingu | deadly |
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| 09:37.25 | Guerin | holy fuck |
| 09:37.31 | Guerin | that's amazingly retarded |
| 09:37.41 | xingu | # netstat -anp | fgrep 993 |
| 09:37.41 | xingu | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:993 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5478/rpc.mountd |
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| 09:37.50 | Guerin | man |
| 09:38.03 | Guerin | if MS did that they would so be sued |
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| 09:38.10 | ma3x | can I pull a character map and find out what key combinations I have to press to get a certain letter? |
| 09:38.16 | piper69 | Gnea: http://pasteitto.gnea.net/5 |
| 09:38.23 | Guerin | ma3x: /msg dpkg extended chars |
| 09:38.51 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:39.18 | Gnea | piper69: okay, so far so good... sec |
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| 09:40.22 | ma3x | Guerin: what's my rightmost windows key? |
| 09:40.24 | ma3x | I don't have that |
| 09:40.56 | Gnea | piper69: okay, do you have this directory: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.d/ ? |
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| 09:41.01 | lampyris | hello |
| 09:41.02 | Gnea | errr |
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| 09:41.15 | Gnea | piper69: sorry, i meant /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ ? |
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| 09:41.47 | lampyris | i've a problem with cups... it doesn't work. I saw i /var/log/cups/error_log and the error is E [04/Mar/2007:08:26:40 +0100] PID 22645 (/opt/SpliX/bin/rastertospl2) stopped with status 22! |
| 09:41.52 | lampyris | can you help me? |
| 09:41.57 | piper69 | Gnea: yes |
| 09:42.17 | Gnea | piper69: okay, is there a file there called hostap-utils? |
| 09:42.34 | piper69 | Gnea: nope |
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| 09:43.27 | Gnea | piper69: okay, create that file then and put this in it: http://pasteitto.gnea.net/6 |
| 09:44.16 | Gnea | piper69: once that is done, reboot and try inserting the card then |
| 09:45.13 | piper69 | Gnea: there is an AA in the first link |
| 09:45.32 | Gnea | piper69: sorry, leave the first line blank - that's part of my prompt |
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| 09:48.51 | piper69 | Gnea: plug the card when the system finish reboot or while it is rebooting |
| 09:49.06 | Gnea | piper69: after it finishes rebooting |
| 09:50.12 | piper69 | cool |
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| 09:53.13 | piper | Gnea: okay i pluged the card |
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| 09:53.58 | Gnea | piper: okay, what does iwconfig say? |
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| 09:55.04 | xingu | piper: can we have "pccardctl ident" too |
| 09:55.44 | piper | http://pasteitto.gnea.net/7 |
| 09:55.49 | piper | Gnea: http://pasteitto.gnea.net/7 |
| 09:56.40 | xingu | oh well, at least the hardware has been initialised now. :) |
| 09:56.41 | piper | xingu: product info: "NETGEAR MA401RA Wireless PC", "Card", "ISL37300P", "Eval-RevA" manfid: 0x000b, 0x7300 function: 6 (network) |
| 09:56.53 | xingu | the RA is the prism2.5 unit |
| 09:57.27 | Gnea | piper: okay, what is the current lsmod? |
| 09:57.33 | piper | Gnea: now how can i test it , will it work while i am still connect to the internet thru the wire connection |
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| 09:58.03 | Gnea | piper: it should... but there's a few things we should double-check first |
| 09:58.28 | Gnea | piper: also, the output of: ip a s dev eth2 |
| 09:59.09 | piper | ip a s dev eth2? |
| 09:59.21 | Gnea | ip addr show dev eth2 |
| 09:59.35 | Gnea | or, in plain english, the iproute2 equivelant of ifconfig eth2 |
| 10:00.19 | Gnea | ok, it's using hostap - good |
| 10:00.31 | piper | 1 sec i will be right back |
| 10:00.34 | Gnea | k |
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| 10:02.05 | xingu | Gnea: in that case check the PRI and STA firmware rev levels (from dmesg) too; if it's not 1.7.4 or 1.8.2 for PRI it probably wants to be |
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| 10:02.16 | xingu | Gnea: http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/ |
| 10:03.26 | daya | can any one help me to identify the meaning of the debian logo |
| 10:03.28 | dondelelcaro | daya: there isn't one |
| 10:03.34 | dondelelcaro | daya: it just one the logo contest |
| 10:03.41 | scanf | won |
| 10:03.47 | Gnea | daya: "to exist." |
| 10:03.58 | dondelelcaro | indeed; won. |
| 10:04.07 | daya | Gnea, how ? |
| 10:04.25 | Gnea | daya: how does a man exist? |
| 10:04.26 | lechef | anyone knows what the feature is called to downsize the mhz of the cpu? |
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| 10:04.41 | lechef | like centrino and amd can do |
| 10:04.49 | Eulex | lechef, underclock? speedstep? powernow? |
| 10:04.49 | dondelelcaro | lechef: cpufreq? |
| 10:04.55 | Gnea | lechef: powersaving? |
| 10:05.04 | xingu | misparsed that as powershaving |
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| 10:05.13 | Gnea | LOL |
| 10:05.14 | lechef | hehe |
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| 10:05.33 | xingu | extreme sports powershaving channel |
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| 10:05.38 | lechef | the problem is my centrino is too hot, about 50°C |
| 10:05.50 | xingu | you probably need cpufreqd or cpudynd |
| 10:06.12 | Eulex | nah, the cpufreq-ondemand kernel module should be enough |
| 10:06.12 | xingu | 50C is nothing for a merom btw, mine ranges between 50-60 |
| 10:06.17 | streuner | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 10:06.33 | piper | Gnea: am back |
| 10:06.43 | xingu | Eulex: cpufreqd is one of the simpler ways to load that and also get a nice thermal protection too at the top eng of the range |
| 10:06.49 | piper | ok what shall i do now |
| 10:07.16 | scanf | The latest linux jurnal was interesting. apperantly manufactrers have hit the limits of allowable thermal cpu leakage around 4 ghz |
| 10:07.18 | lechef | well under win it has ~29 |
| 10:07.32 | lechef | i wouldnt bother but the fan is driving me crazy |
| 10:07.46 | scanf | the transisters are just too small |
| 10:07.51 | xingu | scanf: must be time for a die shrink; what's that I see in the distance? holy 45nm process batman |
| 10:08.11 | scanf | no |
| 10:08.18 | lechef | if i start cpudynd i get cpudynd: CPU frequency control disabled |
| 10:08.26 | scanf | its the electromagnetic insulation thickness |
| 10:08.58 | scanf | to many electrons jumping ship out of queue |
| 10:09.05 | scanf | and causing heat |
| 10:09.19 | xingu | on the plus side, it means that every northbridge will contain a prng |
| 10:09.25 | Gnea | piper69: need the output of ip a s dev eth2 |
| 10:09.31 | xingu | on the down side, you won't be able to predict what exactly has been randomised |
| 10:09.50 | piper69 | Gnea: how can i do that |
| 10:09.56 | assasukasse | lechef: did u try to do modprobe speedstep_centrino |
| 10:10.00 | scanf | that's why most of the dual laptops are downclocked to around 3ghz |
| 10:10.01 | Gnea | piper69: type: ip a s dev eth2 |
| 10:11.04 | Gnea | piper69: if that doesn't work, you may need to apt-get install iproute |
| 10:11.07 | lechef | assasukasse, now i did it ;) |
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| 10:12.03 | piper69 | Gnea: http://pasteitto.gnea.net/9 |
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| 10:12.46 | piper69 | Gnea: btw did u get my pm |
| 10:13.03 | xingu | scanf: you'd be excused for thinking though that at 3GHz cycle times, code that has measurable latency is probably vectorisable |
| 10:13.33 | Gnea | piper69: ah yeah - actually those are automatic, they don't go straight to me (it's for the pastebin project itself) |
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| 10:13.41 | xingu | scanf: so I'm not sure exactly how big a problem it is for anyone /except/ those vendors who have built their business on ever increasing clock rates |
| 10:13.51 | Gnea | piper69: okay, apt-get install pump |
| 10:14.02 | Gnea | piper69: pump > dhclient :) |
| 10:14.15 | lechef | hmm but that changes nothing at the temperature |
| 10:14.20 | lechef | still around 50°C |
| 10:14.47 | scanf | xingu: well, it *does* pose a prblem forbloatware OS's that build entire develpment platforms on multipple abstraction layers |
| 10:14.51 | xingu | lechef: modprobe cpufreq_ondemand |
| 10:14.58 | lechef | i read to do the following: echo 3 > /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/performance |
| 10:15.02 | scanf | like vista |
| 10:15.10 | lechef | but i dont have such a directory |
| 10:15.33 | xingu | scanf: if it results in a drift back toward good bus design and intelligent peripherals I'm all for it ;) |
| 10:15.51 | lechef | under CPU0 is only: throttling, info, limit and power |
| 10:15.57 | scanf | ...hoping that they could just keep throwing cpu cycles at poor design |
| 10:16.03 | xingu | yes |
| 10:16.25 | xingu | this "host cpu as a signal process" idea leaves me totally flaccid |
| 10:16.29 | lechef | xingu, i did it |
| 10:16.34 | xingu | s/process/processor/ |
| 10:16.54 | ewanm89 | scanf: Isn't it to save battery power. |
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| 10:17.21 | scanf | officially |
| 10:17.27 | xingu | ewanm89: getting rid of heat is the biggest battery burner ever invented |
| 10:17.35 | VImtermute | afk |
| 10:17.44 | scanf | unofficially faster cpus are loosing stbility |
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| 10:18.33 | scanf | they have hit a bick wall better known as the laws of physics |
| 10:18.38 | scanf | brick |
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| 10:19.27 | ewanm89 | scanf: xingu; Downclock processor saves power and requires less cooling which saves power. |
| 10:19.48 | scanf | true |
| 10:20.03 | scanf | but that's not their entire reason for it |
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| 10:20.19 | scanf | but which manufactrurer will admit *that+? |
| 10:20.21 | xingu | scanf: what's really interesting is the "what next" for the nle video boyos; most other workloads are fast-enough at 3GHz, but video still isn't |
| 10:20.35 | xingu | oh that one's easy |
| 10:20.37 | xingu | via |
| 10:20.53 | piper69_ | Gnea: you there |
| 10:21.09 | Gnea | piper69_: yeah, any luck yet? |
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| 10:21.42 | piper69_ | i downloaded the pump and i did pump >dhclient |
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| 10:22.29 | Gnea | piper69_: noooo! lol, what i meant was that pump is better than dhclient |
| 10:22.45 | Gnea | it's like: iceweasel > IE |
| 10:22.50 | Gnea | debian > windows |
| 10:22.50 | xingu | lechef: how's that cpu temp now? |
| 10:23.00 | Gnea | and not: debian = windows |
| 10:23.08 | Gnea | piper69_: make sense now? |
| 10:23.14 | piper69_ | Gnea: yep |
| 10:23.29 | Gnea | piper69_: ok, run this then: pump -i eth2 |
| 10:23.38 | Gnea | piper69_: and see if you get an IP or not |
| 10:23.42 | lechef | still around 50 °C :( |
| 10:23.46 | lechef | 49 |
| 10:24.05 | piper69_ | no ip i get operation failed |
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| 10:24.34 | xingu | lechef: what does cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor say? |
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| 10:24.49 | Gnea | piper69_: okay, can you paste the output of the dmesg command? |
| 10:25.30 | lechef | performance |
| 10:26.18 | Gnea | you should be able to do this: dmesg > dmesg.file.txt && cat dmesg.file.txt | curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pasteitto.gnea.net/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 10:26.54 | xingu | lechef: echo "conservative" > that file |
| 10:27.02 | Gnea | looks like it worked |
| 10:27.23 | piper69_ | Gnea: post 10 |
| 10:27.43 | VImtermute | bk |
| 10:27.48 | xingu | lechef: and if you've got cpufreqd installed, look at /etc/default/cpufrequtils:GOVERNOR= |
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| 10:28.56 | xingu | lechef: also /etc/default/cpufreqd:CPUFREQ_GOV_MODULES |
| 10:29.53 | lechef | hmm there governor=ondemand |
| 10:30.15 | xingu | right, so /etc/cpufreqd.conf must be defaulting to a performance profile |
| 10:30.21 | assasukasse | i need to build a debian package from sources, is there available any "build get deps" system? |
| 10:30.41 | xingu | cpufreqd-get, cpufreqd-set can change your cpufreqd profile dynamically. |
| 10:30.49 | Gnea | piper69_: okay, now you'll need to get iwconfig on the same page as your wireless router - so you'll need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and tell it about the router |
| 10:31.27 | lechef | cpufreq-set -g ondemand like this? |
| 10:31.29 | piper69_ | Gnea: i know how to edit the interfaces file, but what shall i put there |
| 10:31.47 | xingu | lechef: cpufreqd-set, re: this; you'll need to set as manual if it's currently dynamic /and/ the dynamic profile selected is not what you want. |
| 10:31.50 | Gnea | piper69_: something like this: http://pasteitto.gnea.net/11 |
| 10:32.10 | xingu | lechef: cpufreq-set shouldn't be necessary; cpufreqd will be controlling that if it's running. |
| 10:32.19 | Gnea | piper69_: you should be okay with that, just change the SSID and Channel |
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| 10:32.33 | xingu | lechef: cpufreqd-{set,get} and groom the config file /etc/cpufreqd.conf to do what you want. |
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| 10:32.57 | Gnea | piper69_: then pop the card out, run /etc/init.d/networking restart, and pop the card in again |
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| 10:37.48 | xingu | lechef: but like I said, this t7200 is rangebound 50-60C; not sure what part you've got there but maybe 50C isn't such a big deal? |
| 10:38.06 | robin_sz | Gnea, you know, its almost worth including that snippet of pasteing magic so users could paste stuff themselves |
| 10:38.22 | xingu | lechef: the fan comes on for maybe 1.5s at 59.5C and sends it right back down to 50C again |
| 10:38.24 | robin_sz | from a single command, like dmpaste or some such |
| 10:38.47 | lechef | well i can only say that under win the fan doesnt come up at normal work |
| 10:38.55 | lechef | and the temperature there is 29°C |
| 10:39.03 | xingu | fair do |
| 10:39.08 | DaveyB | What's the current Debian Kernel? |
| 10:39.20 | lechef | so it must be possible somehow |
| 10:39.51 | lechef | what does conservative do? |
| 10:40.12 | xingu | I only hung around in windows on this thing long enough to bootstrap - and it rebooted about 8-10times for the usual windows "hey your mouse pointer moved, we better install a driver for that and restart" reasons - and - also hit thermal shutdown twice |
| 10:40.19 | lechef | i just checked my frequency and it is 1,7 ghz (max.) |
| 10:40.31 | xingu | lechef: it steps the frequency based on load |
| 10:40.32 | robin_sz | DaveyB, which version of debian, which architecture and then define 'current' |
| 10:40.54 | lechef | when i do cpufreq-info |
| 10:40.58 | xingu | lechef: speedstep/powernow are a crank handle; the governor (ondemand) winds it |
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| 10:41.31 | xingu | lechef: cpufreqd selects a governor based on other sensed data, like ac present/absent, temperature, etc |
| 10:41.47 | xingu | lechef: and it can also do t-state regulation |
| 10:42.05 | lechef | the temperature is at 52°C now :( |
| 10:42.27 | xingu | lechef: is cpufreqd using the ondemand high policy? |
| 10:42.36 | xingu | lechef: or is it using the performance high one? |
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| 10:42.45 | lechef | at the moment it is set to conservative |
| 10:42.46 | DaveyB | robin_sz, I am currently using Debian Etch, my kernel is 2.6.18-4-686.. |
| 10:43.20 | xingu | lechef: cpufreqd-get - which policy is active? |
| 10:44.27 | lechef | No cpufreqd socket found |
| 10:44.34 | lechef | i get this |
| 10:44.37 | Gnea | !away |
| 10:44.37 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 10:45.04 | xingu | lechef: uncomment enable_remote=1 and remote_group=root |
| 10:45.09 | xingu | lechef: and restart cpufreqd |
| 10:45.13 | capiira | hi all i just installed debian etch with kde and would lke to uninstall all those useless stuff like edutainmant and kde games etc. |
| 10:45.30 | Gnea | capiira: so do it |
| 10:45.32 | capiira | but aptitude wants to uninstall the whole desktop |
| 10:45.34 | assasukasse | if i wish to install a package into /opt, when i build it what is the option i should give dh_make or ./configure or where to edit the debian files? |
| 10:45.49 | lechef | xingu, where do i have to do this? |
| 10:45.51 | Gnea | capiira: try uninstalling one package at a time |
| 10:46.03 | xingu | lechef: cpufreqd.con |
| 10:46.10 | xingu | lechef: cpufreqd.conf rather |
| 10:46.28 | capiira | let me try again |
| 10:48.27 | capiira | hmm it wants to uninstall a package called just "kde" too |
| 10:48.45 | capiira | is that the whole kde? |
| 10:48.45 | robin_sz | DaveyB, well thats one ahead of me ... 2.6.18-3 |
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| 10:49.12 | Gnea | capiira: what wants to uninstall kde? |
| 10:49.20 | capiira | apt |
| 10:49.31 | lechef | xingu, in which dir is that file? i checked /etc/default and /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
| 10:49.36 | Gnea | no, what package wants kde uninstalled? |
| 10:49.48 | xingu | lechef: /etc/cpufreqd.conf |
| 10:50.02 | Gnea | apt-get remove <WHAT> <--? |
| 10:50.23 | capiira | i want to uninstall kdeedu and then apt wants to uninstall "kde, kde-amusements, kde" |
| 10:50.46 | capiira | i mean "kdeedu, kde-amusements, kde" |
| 10:51.11 | DaveyB | robin_sz, how do I clear away all the old kernels from my bootloader? |
| 10:52.52 | robin_sz | DaveyB, do you just want to remove them from the bootloader or remove their existence entirely from the machine? |
| 10:53.01 | lechef | how do i do a restart? |
| 10:53.03 | lechef | with cpufreqd SIGHUP ? |
| 10:53.38 | robin_sz | DaveyB, anyway ... cd /boot/grub |
| 10:53.38 | DaveyB | robin_sz, just from the bootloader, or would you suggest there existence? |
| 10:53.53 | robin_sz | DaveyB, no, id suggest just the bootloader |
| 10:54.03 | robin_sz | DaveyB, vi menu.lst |
| 10:54.20 | capiira | so its not possible to just uninstall the kdeedu? |
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| 10:55.01 | robin_sz | DaveyB, then when youve edited menu.lst do a grub-install /dev/hda (or hdb or whatever you boot ffrom) |
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| 10:55.28 | xingu | lechef: /etc/init.d/cpufreqd restart |
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| 10:55.55 | capiira | ahh just used the next solution |
| 10:55.59 | lechef | ok |
| 10:56.08 | lechef | i did it the hard way ;-) |
| 10:56.13 | lechef | ok i get 4 profiles now |
| 10:56.20 | lechef | with cpufreqd-get |
| 10:56.25 | lechef | how can i set a profile? |
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| 10:57.05 | xingu | lechef: which one is active? cpufreqd-set manual, then cpufreqd-set profile# (profile# from -get) |
| 10:59.13 | capiira | :/ nah solution #2 don't removed the packages |
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| 10:59.48 | capiira | looks like debian etch have a few kde dependancies issues |
| 11:00.23 | Gnea | well, it's etch, and it's not stable yet, so that's not a big issue |
| 11:00.32 | lechef | performance high is active |
| 11:00.55 | xingu | lechef: ok; so -set yourself manual, conservative high |
| 11:01.02 | lechef | is it normal that in every profile the max and min freq equals? |
| 11:01.02 | xingu | lechef: and see if that makes a difference |
| 11:01.15 | capiira | is there a way to force ignore dependancies ? |
| 11:01.27 | capiira | and just remove that package |
| 11:01.37 | Gnea | geez, if i install kdeedu, it wants to install 75megs worth of crap |
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| 11:01.51 | xingu | lechef: yep, that's the out-of-box config; I've munged mine to set ondemand as the default profile (I'm guessing that it's been selected for you because you're running on AC at present) |
| 11:01.56 | capiira | yeah |
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| 11:02.02 | Gnea | capiira: not sure yet |
| 11:02.33 | lechef | thats right |
| 11:02.46 | xingu | lechef: first step is try the profiles manually to see if that brings your temp within your desired range; if so, tweak cpufreqd.conf so that it becomes the default |
| 11:03.21 | lechef | temperature is at 44°C now :) |
| 11:03.38 | lechef | and falling |
| 11:03.43 | xingu | goodo |
| 11:03.57 | Gnea | heh, i need a new camera: http://gnea.net/gallery2/v/2007/arizona/night/moon/100_1980.jpg.html |
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| 11:04.36 | xingu | lechef: cpufreq-info will show you the instantaneous set that cpufreqd has programmed into the governor |
| 11:04.41 | xingu | s/set/state/ |
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| 11:05.23 | lechef | thats great |
| 11:05.28 | lechef | thanks a lot xingu |
| 11:05.33 | lechef | you are my hero :) |
| 11:05.44 | xingu | I'm just a plonker with a keyboard. |
| 11:06.02 | Gnea | lol |
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| 11:07.13 | xingu | lechef: the thing I personally like about the cpufreqd approach is that it is extremely flexible; you can create pretty much any kind of sense metric you like and use that to steer the performance profile |
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| 11:07.41 | Gnea | capiira: ok, it looks like an etch problem, because if i try to remove kdeedu by itself in sid, it removes only the package - you should try this command just to make sure, as root, on a command line, and not using a GUI: apt-get remove kdeedu |
| 11:07.49 | lechef | yes thats true |
| 11:08.04 | lechef | under win you have really to search for such nice tools |
| 11:08.05 | xingu | lechef: cpufrequtils with centrino and ondemand governor will do what's needed 80% of the time (frequency stepping vs load) but it's the other cases that interest me |
| 11:08.21 | peasse | hi, i'm trying to install planeshift, i've downloaded the .bin, but now i'm lost... what should i do with that file? |
| 11:08.54 | xingu | lechef: cpufrequtils will set up that for you without cpufreqd's complexity at boot; but I like that particular moving part, ie being able to either manually or dynamically step between profiles |
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| 11:09.19 | peasse | do i need to install some libs to ba able to run .bin files or what? |
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| 11:09.43 | xingu | what does "file yourfile.bin" say? |
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| 11:10.18 | capiira | let me try |
| 11:10.21 | peasse | xingu : PlaneShift_CBV0.3.018.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1, statically linked, stripped |
| 11:10.32 | DaveyB | peasse, no, but the application may be dependent on another file. I assume you are installing with ./filename . If so what's the error message. |
| 11:10.42 | capiira | he following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 11:10.42 | capiira | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.01 | capiira | :/ |
| 11:11.36 | lechef | xingu, yes but without your help it would have taken me quite a time to manage it |
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| 11:11.55 | peasse | ok, thanks DaveyB, i didn't know i have to put ./ in front of the filename, that wasn't clear |
| 11:12.33 | capiira | maybe there exist a way to force apt-get or aptitude to ignore the dependancies |
| 11:12.38 | xingu | peasse: nb, unix files don't have "extensions" |
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| 11:12.52 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 11:12.54 | DaveyB | peasse, np my new linux friend. |
| 11:13.22 | ^rob^ | how can i see which ip is allocated by dhcpd ? |
| 11:13.32 | amphi | ^rob^: ifconfig <iface> |
| 11:13.55 | ^rob^ | ampi: i want to see which ip allocated the dchpd server - not my ip |
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| 11:14.22 | enouf | tonto |
| 11:14.33 | peasse | xingu or DaveyB : should i run that install in root mode or user mode? will i be able to play as normal user with a root-install? |
| 11:14.33 | ^rob^ | i've configured dhcpd to allocate 192.168.1.30 to 70 |
| 11:14.58 | ^rob^ | i what ip are allocated. |
| 11:15.16 | xand | ^rob^: /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases |
| 11:15.38 | xingu | ^rob^: you might want to look at gdhcpd, dhcp3-server too. |
| 11:16.05 | xand | also look in /var/log/syslog |
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| 11:16.43 | ^rob^ | xand - syslog is too big ;) |
| 11:16.47 | ^rob^ | thank you |
| 11:16.51 | Gnea | capiira: dpkg --force-help |
| 11:17.06 | Gnea | capiira: with dpkg -r kdeedu |
| 11:17.17 | capiira | ahhhh dpkg :) |
| 11:17.21 | capiira | nice |
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| 11:18.59 | capiira | shit |
| 11:19.00 | capiira | hehe |
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| 11:19.11 | msingh | can somoene recommend a good replacement for xv? |
| 11:19.16 | capiira | dpkg: error processing kdeedu (--remove): |
| 11:19.16 | capiira | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.07 | Gnea | msingh: feh |
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| 11:20.52 | DaveyB | peasse, don't use root buddy. :) |
| 11:21.04 | DaveyB | peasse, don't sudo |
| 11:21.11 | DaveyB | s/don't/download |
| 11:21.47 | peasse | k DaveyB |
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| 11:23.08 | capiira | ahhh :) let me try this dpkg -r --force-depends packagename |
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| 11:33.23 | robin_sz | would it be possible to have a alias of a option added to apt-get .. id like "isntall" as an alias for install please, as thats what my fingers type all the time |
| 11:33.37 | robin_sz | and can we have a telent command too? |
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| 11:33.50 | wols | telent is easy: make a symlink |
| 11:33.56 | robin_sz | point |
| 11:34.11 | wols | for apt-get you'd need to write your own script or little progam which in turn calls apt-get |
| 11:34.21 | wols | or patch apt-gte source |
| 11:34.26 | robin_sz | my fingers ALWAYs do the telent thing, silly fingers |
| 11:34.38 | EdLin | robin_sz: use zsh with spell checking enabled |
| 11:34.47 | wols | what do you use telnet for? |
| 11:34.52 | robin_sz | stuff |
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| 11:36.38 | lesshaste | I am using hiddenmenu in grub but I would really like the screen to be completely blank instead of showing the minimal grub message... the idea is that it would boot to the default after 5 seconds, say, unless you press Esc..is this possible? |
| 11:36.38 | robin_sz | checking stuff, acessing stuff blah |
| 11:36.52 | EdLin | lesshaste: one only wishes |
| 11:37.06 | lesshaste | EdLin: oh.. is this a common request? |
| 11:37.09 | EdLin | lesshaste: it's the one thing I miss about lilo |
| 11:37.21 | robin_sz | lesshaste, ? but is it worth that troubel for a once-a-year event? |
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| 11:37.30 | EdLin | lesshaste: well, theres at least two of us who want it. ;-) |
| 11:37.32 | lesshaste | robin_sz: how do you mean once a year? |
| 11:37.45 | lesshaste | EdLin: :) well there is grub2.. maybe we should post a request there |
| 11:37.49 | robin_sz | well, you only boot once a year or so, so why worry? |
| 11:38.03 | lesshaste | robin_sz: I boot about twice a day :) |
| 11:38.10 | robin_sz | why? |
| 11:38.17 | lesshaste | robin_sz: it's a laptop |
| 11:38.22 | robin_sz | right ... |
| 11:38.26 | robin_sz | and? |
| 11:38.29 | lesshaste | robin_sz: and in any case.. on my desktop I don't want to leave it on all night |
| 11:38.36 | robin_sz | its faulty or soemthing? |
| 11:38.41 | EdLin | robin_sz: you know, not everyone runs a server.... |
| 11:38.46 | lesshaste | robin_sz: you mean why not hibernate? |
| 11:38.53 | robin_sz | thats one option |
| 11:38.56 | lesshaste | robin_sz: I never got that to work on my desktop |
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| 11:39.14 | lesshaste | robin_sz: software suspend isn't 100 percent reliable yet it seems |
| 11:39.34 | lesshaste | robin_sz: but actually I have another secret reason to want this :) |
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| 11:40.07 | robin_sz | why not just look away from the screen while it boots then? |
| 11:40.21 | lesshaste | robin_sz: because I am not hiding it from me :) |
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| 11:40.52 | lesshaste | robin_sz: I hope you don't leave a computer that is not serving anything on all the time? |
| 11:40.59 | robin_sz | certainly do |
| 11:41.05 | lesshaste | robin_sz: oh dear |
| 11:41.14 | robin_sz | I value my disks |
| 11:41.21 | lesshaste | robin_sz: more than the planet it seems |
| 11:41.32 | robin_sz | makes zero difference |
| 11:41.33 | xand | lesshaste: I hope you don't do lots of things I consider wrong |
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| 11:42.06 | lesshaste | xand: :) only reacting to the assumption about booting twice a year |
| 11:42.13 | lesshaste | back onto the technical question... |
| 11:42.40 | wols | question about suspend to ram on a (quite old) notebook: will it power down the CPU? |
| 11:42.45 | robin_sz | lesshaste, with an electricity bill approaching $5000 a month ... an extra PC or two makes bugger all difference |
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| 11:43.24 | robin_sz | wols, how old a notebook? it shoudl work on anything up to about ~10 years old |
| 11:43.32 | robin_sz | well, most things |
| 11:43.33 | wols | PII deschutes |
| 11:43.48 | wols | acpi tells me S0 to S% all doable... |
| 11:43.52 | lesshaste | robin_sz: also.. pcs make noise.. I don't like to sleep next to a whirring fan |
| 11:44.11 | wols | but no speedstep or something which means the CPU runs at ~67° when the lid is closed. that's bad |
| 11:44.19 | xand | i don't like sleeping in silence |
| 11:44.27 | lesshaste | xand: :) |
| 11:44.40 | wols | xand: there are things called radios :) |
| 11:44.47 | xand | I don't have one |
| 11:44.49 | robin_sz | I prefer the girls to keep the noise down once im asleep |
| 11:44.53 | xand | well I do... but not suitable for that |
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| 11:46.24 | lesshaste | maybe I would have to patch grub |
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| 11:47.06 | lesshaste | sadly #grub is useless |
| 11:49.49 | wols | so what are my options for suspend (to ram and disk) suspend2 is one. others? |
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| 11:50.54 | enouf | uswsusp? |
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| 11:52.53 | lesshaste | by the way.. very polite of you not to ask what my secret reason was :) |
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| 11:58.41 | vlt|home | Hello. I enlarged the underlying block device of a LUKS encrypted mapping. The LUKS header only stores the encryption type, the master key and the hash values of the unlock keys. Not the size of the decive, right? So I can now enlarge the file system and it will work properly. Did I forget something? |
| 11:59.38 | solemnwarning | Whats up with ftp.uk.debian.org? |
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| 11:59.55 | solemnwarning | I'm downloading at 8998B/s |
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| 12:03.07 | SubStack | it's youtube |
| 12:03.10 | SubStack | they're clogging the tubes |
| 12:03.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Order some new ones from Utube. |
| 12:03.58 | SubStack | them and gambling sites |
| 12:04.10 | ryoshu` | where can i read news about debian (etch)? |
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| 12:04.35 | asg | robin_sz: wiki.debian.org ; /msg dpkg wwer ; wait for it on slashdot |
| 12:04.40 | asg | bah |
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| 12:07.26 | enouf | she's dead jim |
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| 12:08.14 | enouf | !nie |
| 12:08.14 | dpkg | HearYe, HearYe, All Hail! :: See what's New In Etch http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch .. changes from Sarge, technical issues when doing a Sarge2EtchUpgrade, etc .. |
| 12:08.22 | enouf | !today |
| 12:08.23 | dpkg | i heard today is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 12:09.26 | vlt|home | How can I get info about which file (if any) uses a certain sector on a hard disk? |
| 12:10.13 | enouf | which sector? |
| 12:10.32 | asg | vlt|home: stat(1) and the fs debug tools |
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| 12:11.07 | vlt|home | enouf: dev hdc, sector 7995008 ;-) |
| 12:11.07 | xingu | vlt|home: debugfs: icheck for ext2/3 |
| 12:11.19 | vlt|home | xingu, asg: Thanks |
| 12:12.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: My memory sucks, so please remind me: Is it possible to compile just a module and not recompile the whole kernel? I'm usind the kernel Debian shipped, but I need an extra module... |
| 12:12.40 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: /msg dpkg module assistant |
| 12:13.23 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: erm correction --> /msg dpkg module-assistant |
| 12:13.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, thanks |
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| 12:14.42 | xingu | vlt|home: nb filesystem offsets are measured in blocks; a sector is usually but not always 512bytes; block size should be in the fs header - tune2fs -l will show this on ext2/3 |
| 12:15.23 | enouf | xingu: dumpe2fs also helps with that and reading superblock info |
| 12:15.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Ok, how do I use it to compile CONFIG_RELAY as a module and install it? |
| 12:16.38 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: man module-assistant, and why are you asking me? I ain't no know it all :-P |
| 12:16.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | lol |
| 12:17.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | When you wese teasing me about the locales error, it sure seemed that way. :P |
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| 12:17.18 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: btw -- how's that gameplay doing? |
| 12:17.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Pretty good. :) |
| 12:18.09 | VImtermute | afk |
| 12:18.10 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: it wasn't the locales error, per se, but what you did to get there ;-) |
| 12:18.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: :) |
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| 12:29.08 | VImtermute | bk |
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| 12:38.34 | arnold | Hello, I have a problem with my epson perfection 2580 scanner... It is recognized with sane-find-scanner and scanimage -L but I do not manage to turn on xsane... I did it before but I can't do it with fedora 6 |
| 12:39.06 | EdLin | arnold: #debian is a Debian specific channel, we don't support Fedora. |
| 12:39.07 | Zaggynl^Laptop | Hi, I have debian etch on my laptop, works pretty well, but the screen is very dark |
| 12:39.24 | Zaggynl^Laptop | I have toshiba tools installed so I can change the brightness, but it will only go even darker |
| 12:39.46 | arnold | but they don't have an answer on #fedora... and fedora is still a kind of debian... help! |
| 12:39.47 | EdLin | Zaggynl^Laptop: have you tried booting in graphics mode? |
| 12:39.57 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 12:39.57 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:39.58 | Zaggynl^Laptop | EdLin, I'm not sure what you mean |
| 12:40.18 | Zaggynl^Laptop | I'm running fluxbox if that's what you mean |
| 12:40.41 | EdLin | Zaggynl^Laptop: Oh, the problem isn't in text mode.... I am not sure how to fix that problem. |
| 12:40.47 | arnold | I tried google before! |
| 12:41.01 | EdLin | arnold: well, ask in ##linux. |
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| 12:42.04 | xand | arnold: fedora is nothing like debian at all... run along now :P |
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| 12:47.25 | itchi | oh shit, it's sunday, bah, i gao again to my bed :-p |
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| 12:48.53 | Zaggynl | lol @ itchi |
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| 12:50.29 | gnudo | i am thinking about buying a cheap core duo toshiba laptop but shall i go for satellite or equium? which equiums are gnu/linux friendly? |
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| 12:52.15 | orkid | grr. sarge->etch +reboot didn't bring my machine back up. WTF! |
| 12:53.12 | defcon8 | does anyone know a serverside browser ssh client? |
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| 12:54.06 | orkid | there are java ones.... serverside though? |
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| 12:54.15 | asg | gnudo: try tuxmobile.org |
| 12:54.23 | orkid | you need SOMETHING on the client side |
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| 12:54.34 | vanisher | question: i'm running Etch with XFCE.. i can't get my volume/mute buttons to work (Dell Latitude). any idea? |
| 12:54.45 | abrotman | why does it matter if it's serverside ? |
| 12:54.52 | defcon8 | orkid, well it could be ajax or something |
| 12:54.58 | defcon8 | it just has to be http 80 |
| 12:55.06 | asg | vanisher: depends on the latitude; check tuxmobile.org |
| 12:55.08 | defcon8 | abrotman, because my college only does port 80 outbound |
| 12:55.12 | defcon8 | http |
| 12:55.19 | abrotman | cute |
| 12:55.31 | asg | defcon8: have your client server listen on port 80 then |
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| 12:55.36 | asg | s/client// |
| 12:55.38 | defcon8 | asg, I dunno if that'd work |
| 12:55.40 | defcon8 | I'll try it |
| 12:56.04 | asg | defcon8: unless they are doing layer 7 inspection, it should work just fine. |
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| 12:56.49 | abrotman | defcon8: and i'd recommend you transfer :) |
| 12:56.52 | vanisher | asg: looking into it, it's a D810 |
| 12:57.11 | defcon8 | asg, okay |
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| 12:57.38 | asg | abrotman: egg mooby muffin? |
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| 12:59.13 | rd_ | vanisher i hae dell lat D610 and use xbindkeys |
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| 12:59.41 | dummy | any help would be appreciated libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b |
| 13:00.27 | itchi | vanisher: You can get the key code of the keys with xev, start xev in a cli, point your mouse pointer in that new window and press the buttons, note down the keys |
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| 13:00.33 | asg | dummy: plug the error into goole |
| 13:00.38 | dummy | i think that has somthing to do with this??X Error: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) 4 ,X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8 |
| 13:00.41 | asg | *google |
| 13:00.50 | Brian_R | I realize this question isn't Debian-specific, but even after googling under various queries I couldn't find any LUGs in my town (Poplar Bluff, MO), or even anywhere in Butler County -- the closest one I could find was in St. Louis. Does anyone know of any places I could look for Linux usergroups? |
| 13:01.36 | MarcoPau | hello there, I setting up shorewall and I'm not sure if I am correct to set my eth1 (which I connected the router to) as "net" and my other eth0 (which I connected my voip phone to) as "loc" in interfaces. I need to enable bridging between the two subnets... |
| 13:01.39 | vanisher | rd_, dit you run XFCE? |
| 13:02.13 | asg | MarcoPau: #shorewall |
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| 13:03.06 | MarcoPau | asg: I'm already there, but there's nobody in |
| 13:03.10 | rd_ | vanisher i run enlightenment, ice and couple of other wms, xbindkeys runs b4 the wm starts |
| 13:03.38 | abrotman | dummy: ignore it |
| 13:03.49 | abrotman | asg: PLEASE YES SIR! |
| 13:03.56 | rd_ | vanisher I can post code in #flood |
| 13:04.00 | asg | MarcoPau: then while you are waiting for someone to show up, try reading /usr/share/doc/shorewall/* and installing the shorewall-doc package |
| 13:05.01 | robin_sz | how can I take a bit-for-bit copy of a drive? not just files, but all bits, as they stand ..a forensic image of a drive? |
| 13:05.11 | asg | robin_sz: dd(1) |
| 13:05.12 | Brian_R | Not to be pedantic, but wouldn't it be 'install package shorewall-doc THEN read /usr/share/doc/shorewall/* ? |
| 13:05.22 | robin_sz | dd? 'k |
| 13:05.42 | asg | Brian_R: no, /usr/share/doc/shorewall is the docs for the shorewall package, not the shorewall-doc package |
| 13:05.52 | Brian_R | Ah =) |
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| 13:06.23 | asg | Brian_R: the readme in the former may answer your question thus saving you from having to install and read the latter |
| 13:06.38 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i built a package with dh_make and debuild, however when i try to install it i have to issue dpkg -i --force-all otherwise it won't install, why is that? |
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| 13:06.39 | Brian_R | Ah. I get it now. |
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| 13:07.05 | abrotman | or the README might say "Get the shorewall-doc package, duh" |
| 13:07.09 | asg | assasukasse: what error do you get when you don't try to force it? |
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| 13:09.18 | assasukasse | asg i didn't write down however it tried to overwrite my previous gimp install and gave me some problems..i forced install and everything went fine, it said that was trying to overwrite config files |
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| 13:09.44 | vanisher | rd_, oki going to #flood |
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| 13:10.02 | vanisher | rd_, you may also use www.pastebin.ca |
| 13:10.04 | abrotman | assasukasse: so uninstall your package .. then reinstall it and give us the error |
| 13:10.39 | assasukasse | abrotman: i did it right now, no error anymore..i dunno what was then, i suppose i should upgrade the old gimp but first uninstall it |
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| 13:11.19 | dummy | itrs hard to ignore and i thought someone might have an idea but i got a i gig usb drive for 19$ this morning that makes me happy |
| 13:11.22 | rd_ | vanisher http://www.pastebin.ca/380880 |
| 13:11.36 | rubenz | Is jigdo really faster than ordinary ftp? |
| 13:12.08 | abrotman | dummy: the xorg maintainer the other day told me to basically ignore it |
| 13:12.16 | ewanm89 | rubenz: In theory yes! |
| 13:12.40 | gnudo | is jigdo really faster than ftp on a P200? i doubt it! |
| 13:12.55 | abrotman | the idea of jidgdo that it splits the bandwidth around IIRC |
| 13:12.56 | assasukasse | abrotman: do u wanna give a look at the package? |
| 13:13.09 | abrotman | i'd rather look at the error :) |
| 13:13.19 | ewanm89 | rubenz: It is closer to P2P and can in theory download from multiple sites at the same time! |
| 13:13.39 | gnudo | but jigdo is resource hungry! |
| 13:13.44 | abrotman | so don't use it |
| 13:13.47 | abrotman | !jigdo |
| 13:13.48 | dpkg | [jigdo] *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 13:13.53 | Zaggynl | I'm using gnome-power-tools, but the screen brightness sliders are not functioning |
| 13:14.04 | Zaggynl | I've modprobe toshiba and toshiba_acpi, but no dice :( |
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| 13:14.23 | gnudo | abrotman: thanks for proving my point! |
| 13:14.34 | abrotman | ? |
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| 13:15.58 | assasukasse | abrotman: i have no clue how to get back the error unless they are logged somewhere... |
| 13:16.02 | assasukasse | :( |
| 13:16.09 | abrotman | nope |
| 13:16.12 | gnudo | my point is: don't use jigdo on a anything less than a PII 300! |
| 13:16.21 | abrotman | assasukasse: if you purge your package and reinstall it .. you don't get the error ? |
| 13:16.31 | abrotman | gnudo: you can .. i did it on a 486 |
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| 13:17.05 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 13:17.26 | rubenz | Is jigdo really faster than ordinary ftp? |
| 13:17.37 | gnudo | abrotman: what year was it? wasthat 486 a desktop PC running X? |
| 13:17.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:18.11 | gnudo | and firefox, and xchat and gimp....? |
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| 13:18.21 | asg | gnudo: those were not written yet |
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| 13:18.31 | asg | abrotman: did you have 4M or 8M of ram? |
| 13:18.34 | abrotman | well .. gimp was |
| 13:18.38 | abrotman | asg: 36MB! |
| 13:18.41 | asg | abrotman: whoohoo |
| 13:18.52 | abrotman | 4MB on board .. 32 in DIMMS |
| 13:19.24 | abrotman | 72pin! |
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| 13:23.07 | Phil2 | anyone know where the sshd error log is? |
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| 13:23.25 | asg | Phil2: /var/log/auth.log usually |
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| 13:23.52 | Phil2 | does that include sshd startup errors also asg? |
| 13:24.40 | asg | Phil2: it should include all errors as specified in /etc/ssh/sshd_config at level. You may want to increase the logging from INFO to DEBUG |
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| 13:24.53 | Phil2 | ok |
| 13:24.56 | Phil2 | ty |
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| 13:27.39 | alexIdoia | I have a memory card reader on my latop toshiba, when apt-cache search I have quite a few lib, which one should I install and how do I know which one will read my card ? |
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| 13:28.25 | assasukasse | abrotman: no |
| 13:28.32 | abrotman | ywa? |
| 13:28.48 | abrotman | assasukasse: and you have no idea what the error was ? |
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| 13:29.12 | MiCro76 | hi there |
| 13:29.13 | abrotman | damog: nascar in mexico city! |
| 13:29.19 | assasukasse | abrotman: yes, it was telling me didn't have permission to overwrite some config files |
| 13:29.35 | abrotman | assasukasse: what owned them ? |
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| 13:30.02 | assasukasse | abrotman: this is my first deb package :D dun ask me those things, is already good that it worked :D |
| 13:30.14 | abrotman | assasukasse: it didn't work if you had to force it |
| 13:30.45 | assasukasse | abrotman: but now it doesn't ask me anymore..it installs simply and no probs |
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| 13:30.53 | dummy | if i use xorg this is just left over from upgrade right? ( XF86Config-4 ) |
| 13:31.18 | abrotman | assasukasse: paste the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/<yourpackage>.conffiles |
| 13:31.44 | abrotman | dummy: just switch back to gnome already :) |
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| 13:33.04 | dummy | im just trying tro clean up my X11 |
| 13:33.51 | dummy | i have xorg.configs every where |
| 13:34.07 | assasukasse | abrotman: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ has only makedev.something files |
| 13:34.25 | itchi | Where can we find the keybinding actions? Like XF86AudioMute, XF86AudioRaiseVolume ... |
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| 13:34.27 | abrotman | stop being vague if you want help |
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| 13:35.11 | assasukasse | sorry abrotman i found hold on i paste u |
| 13:35.37 | assasukasse | /etc/gimp/2.0/gtkrc |
| 13:35.37 | assasukasse | /etc/gimp/2.0/templaterc |
| 13:35.38 | assasukasse | /etc/gimp/2.0/unitrc |
| 13:35.38 | assasukasse | /etc/gimp/2.0/ps-menurc |
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| 13:35.42 | itchi | aptitude purge sunday |
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| 13:35.58 | itchi | !tell assasukasse -about paste |
| 13:36.03 | itchi | !tell assasukasse -about paster |
| 13:36.03 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:36.04 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:36.09 | itchi | He got price :-p |
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| 13:36.51 | assasukasse | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5554 |
| 13:37.25 | abrotman | assasukasse: yes .. those files are owned by gimp-data |
| 13:37.39 | assasukasse | abrotman: so that's why i get the error? |
| 13:37.54 | abrotman | yes .. and you shouldn't be forcing the overwrite |
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| 13:38.06 | abrotman | assasukasse: are you building special gimp packages ? |
| 13:38.06 | assasukasse | abrotman: how should i build the package to prevent that error? |
| 13:38.08 | alexIdoia | does anyone knows what I need to install to use my integrated smart-card reader ? |
| 13:38.18 | assasukasse | abrotman: i am building developing 2.3.9 |
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| 13:38.34 | Gnea | alexIdoia: funny, i've been trying to get mine to work for years |
| 13:38.36 | assasukasse | abrotman: unstable branch last source |
| 13:38.36 | abrotman | assasukasse: so your package should probably conflict with other versionss of gimp |
| 13:38.40 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 13:38.40 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 13:38.52 | alexIdoia | Gnea: thats encouraging :) |
| 13:39.05 | Gnea | alexIdoia: heh, what does your lspci have to say about what you have? |
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| 13:39.23 | assasukasse | abrotman: yes, definitely conflict with old gimp 2.2, that's why yesterday i wanted to install in /opt (which i have in my debian) but couldn't find how |
| 13:40.14 | abrotman | assasukasse: so make yours conflict with gimp < 2.3 or something |
| 13:40.14 | alexIdoia | Gnea: not sure what to take: |
| 13:40.17 | alexIdoia | 02:0b.0 CardBus bridge: Toshiba America Info Systems ToPIC100 PCI to Cardbus Bridge with ZV Support (rev 33) |
| 13:40.20 | alexIdoia | 02:0d.0 System peripheral: Toshiba America Info Systems SD TypA Controller (rev 05) |
| 13:40.31 | Gnea | neato |
| 13:40.37 | abrotman | SD isn't smart card |
| 13:40.37 | alexIdoia | neato ? |
| 13:40.40 | Gnea | i've got: 0000:02:0c.0 System peripheral: Toshiba America Info Systems TC6371AF SmartMedia Controller (rev 03) |
| 13:40.58 | Gnea | 0000:02:0d.0 System peripheral: Toshiba America Info Systems SD TypA Controller (rev 03) |
| 13:41.07 | alexIdoia | what is SD ? |
| 13:41.19 | assasukasse | abrotman: yes, so that's why gives that error? is there possible to tell debian package to uninstall gimp gimp-data before installing my package or even better to install this gimp into /opt? |
| 13:41.22 | Gnea | good question |
| 13:41.31 | abrotman | assasukasse: yes .. make it a Conflict |
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| 13:42.03 | assasukasse | abrotman: how do i do that |
| 13:42.17 | abrotman | did you read the packaging guide? it is certainly in htere |
| 13:42.21 | alexIdoia | Gnea: and neato ? |
| 13:42.45 | Gnea | alexIdoia: here in the states, that's known as sarcasm... |
| 13:42.48 | assasukasse | abrotman: yes but truly talking is still not super clear to me...i will study more |
| 13:43.16 | abrotman | Gnea: what do you mean? |
| 13:43.21 | alexIdoia | Gnea: ok, |
| 13:43.21 | Gnea | as in, we both have toshiba laptops that we want to get the memory card reader to work |
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| 13:43.50 | abrotman | you don't get anything if you stick a catd in ? |
| 13:43.56 | Gnea | no |
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| 13:44.17 | abrotman | loaded the vfat module ? |
| 13:44.20 | alexIdoia | abrotman: neither do I |
| 13:44.28 | Gnea | that won't do anything |
| 13:44.30 | abrotman | lspci -n |
| 13:44.40 | Gnea | there needs to be a driver that will access it and give a device option |
| 13:44.54 | Gnea | otherwise i'm stuck using a usb card reader |
| 13:44.54 | wols | http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/120 |
| 13:45.13 | wols | "This Secure Digital card reader is completely proprietary and completely unsupported." |
| 13:45.13 | alexIdoia | abrotman: 02:0b.0 0607: 1179:0617 (rev 33) |
| 13:45.40 | Gnea | wols: i'll consider the source as to not be 100% informed. |
| 13:46.03 | wols | do you have a better one? |
| 13:46.08 | abrotman | yenta_socket is the best match apparently |
| 13:46.20 | alexIdoia | wols: that says it all |
| 13:46.42 | wols | abrotman: thats's for the cardbus part |
| 13:46.52 | abrotman | wols: then he pasted the wrong lspci -n :) |
| 13:47.33 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:48.01 | alexIdoia | well according to Gnea SD has nothing to do with smart card, but here you go |
| 13:48.03 | alexIdoia | 02:0d.0 0880: 1179:0805 (rev 05) |
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| 13:48.07 | assasukasse | abrotman: i got again the error by installing the old gimp again http://channels.debian.net/paste/5555 |
| 13:48.17 | abrotman | assasukasse: yes .. they need to conflict |
| 13:48.45 | abrotman | alexIdoia: that device isn't even in the pcimap |
| 13:48.55 | assasukasse | abrotman: since this is an unstable gimp version, i would like to keep the two version on my system, how should i tell debuild to do so? |
| 13:49.26 | abrotman | ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net .. but i don't think you can |
| 13:49.58 | dummy | what is the purpose of lvm? |
| 13:49.58 | alexIdoia | Gnea: you give up ? |
| 13:49.58 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 13:49.58 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 13:49.58 | dummy | remember im dummy |
| 13:49.58 | alexIdoia | Gnea: what toshiba have you got ? |
| 13:49.58 | dummy | ty |
| 13:51.13 | dummy | i installed raid1 with 250mb boot 750 mb swap and the rest /root is that ok? |
| 13:51.29 | abrotman | 250MB for /boot/ is HUGE |
| 13:51.35 | Gnea | alexIdoia: S105-S501 |
| 13:51.41 | rubenz | is When is the next version release expected? |
| 13:51.52 | Ronin | !wwer |
| 13:51.52 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 13:51.53 | wols | !tell rubenz wwer |
| 13:51.56 | Gnea | rubenz: when it's ready. |
| 13:51.57 | Ronin | oops |
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| 13:52.21 | e1z0 | :O |
| 13:52.28 | abrotman | !! |
| 13:52.28 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 13:52.28 | e1z0 | hi |
| 13:52.29 | kalila | bleh cp has no -f for rm equivalent? |
| 13:52.45 | alexIdoia | Gnea: where did you get that ? Is that a satellite pro ? have you got some buttons on the front edge of it to control the cd drive ? |
| 13:52.50 | abrotman | to force a copy? |
| 13:52.53 | e1z0 | lol |
| 13:52.54 | kalila | abrotman: yes |
| 13:53.10 | abrotman | kalila: man cp .. |
| 13:53.15 | kalila | just did that |
| 13:53.30 | abrotman | i have -f in mine |
| 13:53.41 | kalila | woot mine doesn't |
| 13:53.49 | asg | kalila: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:53.51 | abrotman | are you on etch ? |
| 13:53.55 | Gnea | alexIdoia: i have it, yes there are buttons. |
| 13:53.57 | asg | abrotman: etch has it, so does sarge |
| 13:54.05 | kalila | asg: no idea, server |
| 13:54.08 | abrotman | i thought cp had -f for a very long time |
| 13:54.15 | asg | kalila: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:54.36 | asg | kalila: also, paste the output of uname -a |
| 13:55.06 | kalila | 2.6.16-2-686 #1 Mon Aug 21 11:33:09 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:55.31 | kalila | debian 3.1 |
| 13:55.44 | abrotman | kalila: dpkg -l coreutils | tail -1 .. show us |
| 13:56.06 | abrotman | !info coreutils sarge |
| 13:56.10 | dpkg | coreutils: (The GNU core utilities), section utils, is required. Version: 5.2.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 2520 kB, Installed size: 7096 kB |
| 13:57.36 | alexIdoia | Gnea: did you manage to get them to work ? |
| 13:58.04 | alexIdoia | Gnea: right below them you have the iLink right ? that's to use with WIFI is not it ? |
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| 13:59.36 | abrotman | kalila: dpkg -l coreutils | tail -1 .. show us |
| 13:59.37 | Gnea | alexIdoia: no, apparantly the specs are now available, but no one has written a driver yet |
| 13:59.38 | Gnea | alexIdoia: the closest there seems to be with it is here: http://nemaris.multiservers.com/toshiba/satellite3000514.html |
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| 13:59.56 | Gnea | the email address of someone who is willing to write the driver if he can get the specs, which are now available, is there |
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| 14:00.06 | kalila | abrotman: ii coreutils 5.2.1-2 The GNU core utilities |
| 14:00.51 | abrotman | kalila: then you have -f |
| 14:00.53 | Gnea | alexIdoia: there's some weird notion that Suse 7.2 works with it |
| 14:01.04 | abrotman | kalila: you might want to run a dist-upgrade .. and install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:01.41 | abrotman | kalila: erm .. nevermind |
| 14:01.46 | CAiRO | how can i restore the default config files for a certain package? (like logcheck) |
| 14:01.47 | abrotman | kalila: you still have -f |
| 14:01.59 | abrotman | !tell CAiRO about confmiss |
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| 14:03.04 | boodie | Hi |
| 14:03.17 | CAiRO | ah, thanks abrotman |
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| 14:05.22 | Gnea | man, suse sucks more and more... can't find older releases |
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| 14:05.59 | wols | you better buy the newest duh! |
| 14:06.13 | wols | Novel had a big loss last quarter |
| 14:06.28 | Gnea | no shit |
| 14:06.33 | Gnea | and they're gonna keep going downhill |
| 14:06.39 | Gnea | there's no way around it. |
| 14:06.48 | Gryfelhase | hi..... i upgraded from xfree86 to xorg... and now xmodmap doesn't work anymore |
| 14:06.54 | boodie | Isn't uncle Bill Gates saving them? |
| 14:07.06 | Gryfelhase | any hints how to change mouse-button-order? |
| 14:07.07 | wols | their Linux part is still growing fast. it's just that the absolut numbers are so small so it can't offset thenetwrare losses |
| 14:07.19 | itchi | Where can we find all the keybindings actions like: XF86AudioRaiseVolum, XF86AudioNext, XF86AudioPlay ... ? |
| 14:07.26 | wols | Uncle Gate only makes one time payments |
| 14:07.26 | Gnea | boodie: saving them from the inevitable, for now. |
| 14:07.27 | CAiRO | when i set the logcheck report level to server, will it also use the ignore files from paranoid? |
| 14:07.28 | wols | see apple |
| 14:08.12 | itchi | Gryfelhase: Had you define it in the /etc or as user? |
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| 14:08.28 | Gryfelhase | itchi: in .xinitrc |
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| 14:09.10 | itchi | Gryfelhase: Should it not in the ~/.Xmodmap ? |
| 14:09.21 | khaleel5000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.24 | khaleel5000 | now A) I dont send it , B) I only get it on debian etch (using this modem for 1+ year on Suse , pclinux slackwre |
| 14:09.46 | Gryfelhase | itchi: No idea, i'm relativ new to linux :), not a linux-guru :) |
| 14:10.31 | Gryfelhase | but I'll try |
| 14:10.33 | itchi | Gryfelhase: Look this http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=263 |
| 14:10.52 | khaleel5000 | I dont send sighup |
| 14:10.56 | khaleel5000 | (up therE) |
| 14:11.37 | itchi | Gryfelhase: Not forget the Resource section ;-) |
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| 14:12.59 | Gryfelhase | The page doesn't seem to load..... :) |
| 14:13.23 | itchi | Gryfelhase: Sure? |
| 14:13.40 | |capiira | anyone here know where to set dcc port range in ksirc ? |
| 14:13.49 | Gryfelhase | or it is really, really slow |
| 14:14.10 | itchi | Gryfelhase: Slow yeah, i know, kill my ISP for my crazy upload :-) |
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| 14:14.31 | itchi | Gryfelhase: Bah, got to much traffic some time :-s |
| 14:14.55 | Gryfelhase | The resource-section? ..... WRTFM ? :) |
| 14:16.05 | itchi | Gryfelhase: That's the first item in the resource, and yeah, the last item in the resource is 'Search on google about xmodmap' What's wrong with this? |
| 14:16.30 | itchi | Gryfelhase: But you got try very helpfull links between both, but yeah, your blind :-p |
| 14:16.35 | Gryfelhase | i used already xmodmap with success.... |
| 14:16.35 | CAiRO | why does the default configuration for logcheck filter more lines in paranoid mode than in server mode? |
| 14:16.44 | Gryfelhase | under xfree86 |
| 14:16.49 | vlt|home | Hello. I try to umount a file system but get "umount: /mnt: device is busy". `lsof | grep /mnt` doesn't return anything. Where to look else for what's still using the fs? |
| 14:17.03 | Gryfelhase | i just wondered why it doesn't work under xorg |
| 14:17.16 | itchi | Gryfelhase: It work |
| 14:17.28 | itchi | Gryfelhase: Just that you used the 'bad' way |
| 14:17.29 | Gryfelhase | ok, the way i used it :) |
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| 14:18.28 | itchi | Gryfelhase: Nah, the .xinitrc |
| 14:18.46 | DocPlatypus | "(evolution-2.6:6762): Bonobo-Activation-WARNING **: Strange exception (IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0) from active server registration" <-- what exactly does this mean? |
| 14:19.22 | jetscreamer | something borked out? |
| 14:19.23 | Rydekull | !tell vlt|home about fuser |
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| 14:20.44 | Gryfelhase | ichti: Thx for the hint, was just joking about rtfm :) |
| 14:21.21 | itchi | Gryfelhase: That's the first thing you always need to do |
| 14:21.40 | itchi | Gryfelhase: That's what many people not do |
| 14:22.47 | Gryfelhase | itchi: If i would have done so, I would give up linux and stayed on windows.... 'cause I would had a lot to read before I started |
| 14:22.48 | |capiira | anyone here know where to set th dcc port range in ksirc ? |
| 14:23.34 | Gryfelhase | +have |
| 14:23.40 | itchi | Gryfelhase: Go back to Windows Crap (tm) then, what can i tell you more. If you not want to read ... |
| 14:24.00 | jetscreamer | i can't read |
| 14:24.14 | jetscreamer | does this mean i have to use bsd? |
| 14:24.17 | Gryfelhase | norc, your wrong, I want to read, but i can't read anything complete before i do anything |
| 14:24.22 | DocPlatypus | itchi: even on Windows you have to read docs some of the time |
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| 14:24.37 | DocPlatypus | reading documentation is part of computing. deal with it. |
| 14:24.38 | itchi | Gryfelhase: I guess, you never have read for hooouuuurs the MS help files |
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| 14:25.10 | Rydekull | DocPlatypus: why did you ell itchi that? |
| 14:25.14 | Rydekull | tell* |
| 14:25.19 | Gryfelhase | ichi: No, i didn't |
| 14:25.35 | DocPlatypus | well the way it sounded he was saying you never have to read when using Windows, not always true |
| 14:25.43 | itchi | Gryfelhase: If you are a 'user' rent someone to setup your stuff, you know |
| 14:26.07 | norc | Gryfelhase? |
| 14:26.27 | itchi | DocPlatypus: You can pay someone here in this 'world' too, to get somethings done |
| 14:26.53 | itchi | bah |
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| 14:28.05 | itchi | DocPlatypus: Man, *just* don't give it up. |
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| 14:28.13 | Gryfelhase | itchi: maybe my english isn't good neough, but I didn't giot the sense of your last sentence to me |
| 14:28.33 | itchi | Gryfelhase: Have motivation, and you will get it done |
| 14:28.36 | Rydekull | itchi: why are you saying it to DocPlatypus all the time? :P |
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| 14:28.51 | itchi | Rydekull: Dunno :-) |
| 14:29.06 | itchi | :-p |
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| 14:29.39 | itchi | I gona kill my tab key haha |
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| 14:29.50 | asg | !tell ewanm89 about away |
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| 14:30.40 | Ronin | itchi: we'll take it here |
| 14:30.45 | itchi | hehe |
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| 14:31.14 | ewanm89 | asg: sorry but I do it I can't stop it for just #debian |
| 14:31.24 | itchi | !beer DocPlatypus |
| 14:31.25 | itchi | :-p |
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| 14:31.38 | Ronin | ewanm89: then dont use it |
| 14:31.43 | Rydekull | ewanm89: then stop it all together |
| 14:31.50 | jetscreamer | or face the consequences |
| 14:31.53 | DocPlatypus | I'll have to keep that one in the fridge. it's too early to be drinking here. |
| 14:32.05 | Ronin | DocPlatypus: too early? is the sun up? |
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| 14:32.19 | itchi | DocPlatypus: Sorry, did not pay attention to the nick, once bad, my tab key continue with it :-s |
| 14:32.21 | DocPlatypus | Ronin: yes. 08:32 |
| 14:32.31 | Ronin | then its not too early :) |
| 14:32.46 | jetscreamer | 33 |
| 14:32.55 | rjale1 | please point to a good howto on MULTIPLE wifi profiles. Have succesfully configd wpa_supplicant for my home network but would also need to add my office profile and a "unprotected public network". the bits I am missing are TWO: how to automatically do the needed ifconfigs, route add and change resolv.conf and howto "roam" amongst the different profiles after a resume from suspend. THANK YOU |
| 14:33.09 | asg | ewanm89: then you had better leave #debian or you will eventually be devoiced / kicked |
| 14:33.13 | jetscreamer | man interfaces |
| 14:33.23 | jetscreamer | nm oops wrong one |
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| 14:34.36 | ewanm89 | asg I don't usually use this client! |
| 14:34.49 | Rydekull | ewanm89: I digged up something I wrote some years ago, just for you :) http://home.rydekull.se/bitching/awaybitchin.txt |
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| 14:36.08 | xand | ffs |
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| 14:36.34 | itchi | A bit better now :-) |
| 14:36.45 | itchi | Ronin: Sorry, i take it back :-p |
| 14:36.56 | rjale1 | with WIFI, how to automatically do the needed ifconfigs, route add and change resolv.conf and howto "roam" amongst the different profiles after a resume from suspend. THANK YOU |
| 14:37.02 | Ronin | great another cloudy day then :( |
| 14:37.06 | xand | ewanm89: don't use it now then :P |
| 14:37.10 | jetscreamer | it's sunny as hell |
| 14:37.20 | itchi | Ronin: Wait, i cp it :-) |
| 14:37.25 | rjale1 | here it is SUMMER !!! (Rome, Italy) |
| 14:37.37 | rilat | I want gdm to start an application (gtkpbbutons) and to keep it running after starting a session. Is that possible? how can it be done? |
| 14:37.51 | jetscreamer | it's summer some days here, winter others... (houston) |
| 14:38.09 | jetscreamer | i've needed the a/c, and the heater, the past week |
| 14:38.20 | rjale1 | omg jetscreamer ! |
| 14:38.30 | rjale1 | extreme weather ! 8-) |
| 14:38.31 | jetscreamer | diff days though |
| 14:38.48 | DocPlatypus | I've needed the heater and a/c on the same day in Houston |
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| 14:39.23 | *** join/#debian PupUser2c276c (n=PupUser2@202.43.236.240) |
| 14:39.34 | PupUser2c276c | hey room |
| 14:39.39 | dvs | !rooom |
| 14:39.46 | dvs | !room |
| 14:39.47 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 14:39.52 | jetscreamer | yeah come to think of it, one day i think i did use the a/c in the day and the heater that night |
| 14:40.19 | asg | dvs: great idea for a nick though |
| 14:40.27 | DocPlatypus | PupUser2c276c: welcome to that rest of the Internet they told you about on AOL. they're called channels now |
| 14:40.32 | dvs | asg: what is? |
| 14:40.35 | asg | dvs: room |
| 14:40.39 | jetscreamer | vroom! |
| 14:40.40 | dvs | heh. ok |
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| 14:40.46 | jetscreamer | it's a virtual room! |
| 14:41.01 | asg | or ne1 |
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| 14:41.38 | Ronin | dvs: add y and r to really make him snap |
| 14:41.46 | jetscreamer | i liked 10.0 myself, Gnea |
| 14:41.46 | dvs | heh |
| 14:42.33 | Gnea | jetscreamer: suse is pure crap, yet i need 7.2 to see if the claim of it really working with SD card readers on toshiba notebooks is true or not. |
| 14:43.23 | abrotman | dvs: hi |
| 14:43.27 | dvs | hello |
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| 14:44.07 | jetscreamer | i thought it was ok... 10.1 was disappointing though |
| 14:44.56 | abrotman | i just installed 10.2 or whatever last week .. took me 30 minutes to figure out how to activate http sources and get apache2 installed |
| 14:45.39 | jetscreamer | oh .2 eh... did they fix that borked out update thing? |
| 14:45.51 | jetscreamer | i wound up using apt-get for rpm |
| 14:45.58 | jetscreamer | worked great too |
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| 14:46.18 | xand | sick |
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| 14:47.06 | jetscreamer | snow |
| 14:47.06 | PupUser2c276c | so hows everything in the room today? |
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| 14:47.17 | jetscreamer | i need to vacuum PupUser2c276c why |
| 14:47.34 | jetscreamer | and make the bed |
| 14:47.37 | itchi | PupUser2c276c: Room?? |
| 14:47.39 | PupUser2c276c | well just go to www.hoover.com and buy one |
| 14:47.47 | dvs | what about dysan? |
| 14:47.49 | jetscreamer | i have a eureka... i'm just lazy |
| 14:48.02 | asg | dvs: you mean dyson |
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| 14:48.07 | asg | dvs: dysan makes floppy disks |
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| 14:48.08 | dvs | that too. ;-) |
| 14:48.12 | PupUser2c276c | yes room a chat room, not channel, theres no tv |
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| 14:48.18 | jetscreamer | dyson created the m5 |
| 14:48.28 | itchi | PupUser2c276c: Trust dpkg please! |
| 14:48.32 | Rydekull | !ot |
| 14:48.32 | dpkg | somebody said ot was Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 14:48.34 | jetscreamer | yes i can watch tv here in my room |
| 14:48.52 | Rydekull | !room |
| 14:48.53 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 14:49.03 | Rydekull | PupUser2c276c: this is a channel, it has one topic |
| 14:49.10 | vlt|home | Rydekull: `fuser -m /dev/hdc` doesn't return anything but I still get "Device or resource busy". Any idea? |
| 14:49.11 | PupUser2c276c | so if a monkey drops a banana in the jungle does anyone hear it? |
| 14:49.24 | jetscreamer | @53.19KB/s |
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| 14:49.32 | asg | vlt|home: install lsof and see if it find the process |
| 14:49.33 | jetscreamer | no but the ape eats it |
| 14:49.35 | dvs | !comfort jetscreamer |
| 14:49.35 | dpkg | There, there, jetscreamer. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:49.35 | xand | PupUser2c276c: do you have a debian-related question? |
| 14:49.37 | asg | *finds |
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| 14:50.00 | PupUser2c276c | not really xand just chatting in the room |
| 14:50.07 | xand | PupUser2c276c: what room? |
| 14:50.13 | PupUser2c276c | this room |
| 14:50.18 | jetscreamer | yeah what room.. your bathroom? |
| 14:50.23 | xand | this is a channel, not a room |
| 14:50.27 | jetscreamer | i see no walls |
| 14:50.30 | jetscreamer | do you? |
| 14:50.48 | dvs | mine are padded |
| 14:50.57 | jetscreamer | this doesn't even qualify as a cubicle |
| 14:51.02 | PupUser2c276c | if your read on top off the people list is says "685 people in the room" so their its a room on the irc channel |
| 14:51.05 | abrotman | PupUser2c276c: this isn't a social channel .. try ##freenode |
| 14:51.18 | asg | or #debian-social on oftc.net |
| 14:51.19 | Rydekull | !tell PupUser2c276c about ot |
| 14:51.23 | DocPlatypus | PupUser2c276c: then your IRC client is wrong |
| 14:51.26 | xand | abrotman: it's more a social channel than a social room :) |
| 14:51.39 | Rydekull | vlt|home: hrm, try adding the partition number? |
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| 14:51.44 | jetscreamer | what kind of gayassed client do you use, PupUser2c276c ? (no offense to our homosexual brethren) |
| 14:51.58 | PupUser2c276c | listen i use deb packages on my puppy linux so its okay to be in here |
| 14:51.58 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 14:52.06 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 14:52.07 | asg | PupUser2c276c: no, it isn't |
| 14:52.12 | xand | PupUser2c276c: that's not debian... run along! |
| 14:52.22 | Rydekull | !tell PupUser2c276c about debian |
| 14:52.35 | jetscreamer | i suspect he knows that factoid |
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| 14:52.44 | vlt|home | Rydekull: It's the same ... nothing. |
| 14:53.05 | PupUser2c276c | geese you guys are real testy about this room |
| 14:53.11 | xand | what room? |
| 14:53.13 | jetscreamer | clean it up |
| 14:53.17 | jetscreamer | his bedroom |
| 14:53.22 | PupUser2c276c | this chat room |
| 14:53.23 | itchi | PupUser2c276c: TRUST dpkg PLEASE! |
| 14:53.26 | xand | he keeps geese in his room?! |
| 14:53.34 | itchi | I dunno how to say it :-s |
| 14:53.34 | xand | they'd poo everywhere |
| 14:53.35 | jetscreamer | this is not a chatroom, this is a support channel |
| 14:53.37 | DocPlatypus | honk honk |
| 14:53.37 | freetos | does debian have gui configuration of things or is it all hand editing of files? |
| 14:53.39 | asg | AFLAC |
| 14:53.40 | jetscreamer | wake up |
| 14:53.55 | asg | freetos: the latter is the conventional way |
| 14:53.58 | dummy | this is the friendliest room in irc :) |
| 14:54.00 | PupUser2c276c | okay can i get some support that |
| 14:54.02 | abrotman | PupUser2c276c: if you don't like it .. dont' stick around |
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| 14:54.15 | xand | PupUser2c276c: what distro are you using? |
| 14:54.21 | Rydekull | vlt|home: Odd, sure you arent in that directoy somewhere? like outside your su, it's a common mistake |
| 14:54.24 | asg | PupUser2c276c: #puppylinux |
| 14:54.26 | Rydekull | xand: Puppy Linux |
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| 14:54.41 | PupUser2c276c | puppy linux beta 3 |
| 14:54.49 | xand | PupUser2c276c: so why are you asking in here? |
| 14:54.52 | xand | wrong channel |
| 14:54.55 | abrotman | PupUser2c276c: try #puppylinux |
| 14:55.10 | jetscreamer | freetos: kde has some gui stuff to config things in the system... can't say it has everything covered though... there are other things too |
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| 14:55.23 | PupUser2c276c | well have you ever been in the puppy chat room with 24 users , shit no one talks at all |
| 14:55.25 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 14:55.27 | abrotman | PupUser2c276c: try #puppylinux |
| 14:55.33 | vlt|home | Rydekull: But exactly this should be returned by `fuser`, right? |
| 14:55.36 | asg | PupUser2c276c: then use a better supported distribution |
| 14:55.48 | asg | vlt|home: are you running fuser as root? |
| 14:55.49 | dummy | like debian :O |
| 14:55.53 | Rydekull | vlt|home: Well, i'd like to think so :) |
| 14:55.55 | PupUser2c276c | ahh let me guess debian |
| 14:56.09 | abrotman | PupUser2c276c: or try ##linux |
| 14:56.09 | jetscreamer | i dunno.... you might be a lot happier with ubuntu, PupUser2c276c ... |
| 14:56.13 | vlt|home | Rydekull: Yes, as root. |
| 14:56.15 | dummy | lol |
| 14:56.15 | xand | PupUser2c276c: wow, you got something right :P |
| 14:56.20 | jetscreamer | yeah, seems like it might be for you |
| 14:56.21 | PupUser2c276c | i like the green lizard on gentoo |
| 14:56.28 | asg | PupUser2c276c: we don't care what you use. If you aren't using Debian, you won't get support in here. EOS. |
| 14:56.42 | jetscreamer | the green lizard is suse isn't it |
| 14:56.53 | asg | jetscreamer: thought gentoo was larry the cow |
| 14:57.01 | PupUser2c276c | but i need some support ,,, maybe a new bra for my wife ;) |
| 14:57.02 | dummy | can i yell at him now i have never got to yell at anyone yet |
| 14:57.08 | jetscreamer | no idea... it's that lopsided heart i thought |
| 14:57.09 | asg | no |
| 14:57.12 | dummy | im a newbie |
| 14:57.18 | itchi | PupUser2c276c: Do you know about /ignore PupUser2c276c ?? :-) |
| 14:57.27 | dummy | cant wait to yell at someone |
| 14:57.40 | DocPlatypus | anyone who wfound my problem. apparently libbonobo was too old. I had a 2.14.(something) version and 2.16.0 was in experimental |
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| 14:57.50 | dummy | abrotman yells at me all the time |
| 14:57.55 | abrotman | PupUser2c276c: please don't troll .. please go to ##linux or #puppylinux for support |
| 14:57.56 | Rydekull | vlt|home: Hard for me to say why you cant see any result, it works fine for me |
| 14:57.56 | dummy | but it ok |
| 14:57.58 | abrotman | dummy: i do not |
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| 14:58.15 | PupUser2c276c | troll ??? what are we fihing now???? |
| 14:58.17 | jetscreamer | wow only 2hrs 50 min left for the upload joy! |
| 14:58.21 | dummy | see thats kind of yelling right there |
| 14:58.22 | PupUser2c276c | fishing |
| 14:58.50 | asg | !ops PupUser2c276c needs a helping had getting to #puppylinux |
| 14:58.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: asg complains about: PupUser2c276c needs a helping had getting to #puppylinux |
| 14:58.57 | jetscreamer | hand |
| 14:59.00 | Rydekull | asg: I was one keystroke away :) |
| 14:59.03 | jetscreamer | s/had/hand/ |
| 14:59.19 | asg | Rydekull: :) |
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| 14:59.44 | asg | jetscreamer: not used to this new d420 keyboard yet; keep dropping letters :/ |
| 14:59.44 | jetscreamer | gd some of those names i haven't even seen |
| 14:59.55 | jetscreamer | ganneff? |
| 14:59.58 | xand | just what i was thinking |
| 15:00.00 | jetscreamer | myon? |
| 15:00.01 | asg | jetscreamer: some are mia. bob2 and caphuso |
| 15:00.14 | jetscreamer | bob2 my favorite ! |
| 15:00.18 | dummy | puppy sounds like sissy |
| 15:00.19 | asg | jetscreamer: haven't seen ljlane in ages either |
| 15:00.20 | jetscreamer | along with greycat... |
| 15:00.23 | dummy | sissy linux |
| 15:00.27 | jetscreamer | actually i like greycat |
| 15:00.36 | abrotman | jetscreamer: they have the same list from oftc .. |
| 15:00.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's a shared list |
| 15:00.47 | abrotman | afaik .. anyways |
| 15:00.47 | xand | lame |
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| 15:00.52 | vlt|home | Rydekull: /dev/hdc3 is no part of an LVM vg and no part of an md raid. I just created an ext2 fs there, mounted it, wrote a file and tried to umount it. |
| 15:00.57 | xand | are all the factoids shared? |
| 15:01.05 | rubenz | How long does it take approximately to download the two debian dvd's using jigdo? |
| 15:01.12 | jetscreamer | yes dpkg has a db |
| 15:01.15 | abrotman | depends on your bandwidth |
| 15:01.17 | Rydekull | vlt|home: then, manually, make sure you arent currently in that directory with some shell :) |
| 15:01.20 | jetscreamer | and you can sync other blootbots to it |
| 15:01.26 | vlt|home | Rydekull: I just found `umount -l`. Now it isn't shown in `mount` anymore |
| 15:01.30 | abrotman | xand: different bot instances .. same DB |
| 15:01.33 | xand | right, that explains certain factoids |
| 15:01.43 | xand | that mention freenode specifically |
| 15:01.48 | rubenz | abrotman: good point. Well I'm on cable. It can do up to about 1MB/s I think. |
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| 15:02.07 | itchi | rubenz: Depend also from where you get it |
| 15:02.09 | xand | rubenz: do a netinstall if you can |
| 15:02.30 | vlt|home | Rydekull: I can mount and umount it now, but mdadm still can't access it ... seems still be blocked by the `umount -l` ghost ... hmmm |
| 15:02.35 | abrotman | rubenz: why are you getting DVDs insetad of netinst ? |
| 15:02.44 | *** part/#debian PupUser2c276c (n=PupUser2@202.43.236.240) |
| 15:02.46 | rubenz | Well I wanted to get the dvds so that if I have to install it several times over then I wouldn't have to download it again. |
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| 15:02.55 | itchi | rubenz: Maybe take a look to the apt-proxy, if you have many computers to install |
| 15:02.58 | PupUser2c276c | hey guys read this |
| 15:03.03 | PupUser2c276c | We even have an experimental Debian package installer, with dependency checking. But be careful of that one as Puppy has some differences from a Debian system, so we will probably have to test and certify what Debian packages work properly on. You don't even have to install Puppy to download and use packages. |
| 15:03.04 | xand | no |
| 15:03.17 | xand | PupUser2c276c: and? |
| 15:03.18 | abrotman | !ops PupUser2c276c still asking for support on Puppy Linux |
| 15:03.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: PupUser2c276c still asking for support on Puppy Linux |
| 15:03.19 | itchi | PupUser2c276c: Go away |
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| 15:03.34 | Rydekull | !tell PupUser2c276c about not debian |
| 15:03.44 | rubenz | what does the apt-proxy do? |
| 15:03.45 | PupUser2c276c | hey itchi my cat is scratchy |
| 15:04.06 | xand | rubenz: it caches the downloaded packages |
| 15:04.07 | Rydekull | !tell rubenz about apt-proxy |
| 15:04.08 | itchi | PupUser2c276c: i not y |
| 15:04.19 | asg | *plonk* |
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| 15:05.06 | jetscreamer | !say give abrotman ops |
| 15:05.06 | dpkg | give abrotman ops |
| 15:05.11 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 15:05.17 | itchi | rubenz: See http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=32 |
| 15:05.32 | Gnea | wow, suse has some really shitty support |
| 15:05.33 | itchi | rubenz: The introduction there ... |
| 15:06.00 | vlt|home | # fuser -am /dev/hdc3; --> /dev/hdc3: |
| 15:06.01 | vlt|home | # mdadm -vvvv /dev/md2 --add /dev/hdc3; --> mdadm: Cannot open /dev/hdc3: Device or resource busy |
| 15:06.06 | vlt|home | Any idea? |
| 15:06.20 | Gnea | i went there and asked about the 7.2 iso's... a couple people actually listened and helped, while the others got offended and told me that if i really needed it, that i'd have the original media handy |
| 15:06.49 | Gnea | when i left, someone pm'd me and told me that i won't be missed. when i responded to it, i was told that i was a newbie. |
| 15:06.52 | DocPlatypus | Gnea: they must think you have money to burn and that CDs last forever |
| 15:06.59 | DocPlatypus | you probably don't, and they don't. |
| 15:07.12 | PupUser2c276c | hey whats a good wysiwyg editor other than nvu? |
| 15:07.18 | rubenz | Yeah. Thing is I want to try a few different distros out on the same machine. It's not that I'm installing on many different machines. My other machine has os x and I'm probably going to keep that running. |
| 15:07.23 | abrotman | PupUser2c276c: vi |
| 15:07.29 | Gnea | DocPlatypus: they already think that they're going to last forever under the protective umbrella of microsoft...hahaha |
| 15:07.30 | wols | PupUser2c276c: Quanta |
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| 15:07.46 | DocPlatypus | Gnea: yeah I do not like the Novell-Microsoft partnership |
| 15:07.52 | Gnea | DocPlatypus: it's okay though, i was sure to thank them for fucking linux over |
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| 15:07.56 | itchi | PupUser2c276c: Bluefish also |
| 15:08.13 | PupUser2c276c | see i'm really new to linux just installed tonight , i've always used microsofty |
| 15:08.14 | dummy | my girl uses mozilla |
| 15:08.14 | DocPlatypus | Gnea: you should have thanked them for fucking over the free software movement |
| 15:08.24 | abrotman | !d-i PupUser2c276c |
| 15:08.24 | dpkg | PupUser2c276c, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:08.30 | wols | Gnea: that's the difference between truly Free as in debian and pretend Free as in Company Linux |
| 15:08.39 | itchi | PupUser2c276c: First reinstall your brain maybe |
| 15:08.53 | DocPlatypus | free means freedom, open often just means open for business |
| 15:09.06 | Gnea | well, i was pissed that they don't archive their older distros - there's no way to even find older distro isos anywhere. |
| 15:09.16 | streuner | itchi: is this article already in linux-laptops.net ? http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118 |
| 15:09.25 | PupUser2c276c | how does one reinstall their brain in a chat room? |
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| 15:09.32 | itchi | streuner: Yes :-) and tuxmobile :-p |
| 15:09.34 | xand | PupUser2c276c: piss off |
| 15:09.53 | DocPlatypus | Gnea: just like Microsoft. if for some reason one really needed Windows 3.1, you couldn't ask Microsoft, they have probably already shredded their copies |
| 15:09.54 | Gnea | PupUser2c276c: open mouth, insert loaded gun muzzle into the open mouth, pull trigger. problem solved. |
| 15:10.01 | itchi | streuner: ;-) But good you say it, if i had not do it ;-) So continue with it ;-) |
| 15:10.09 | PupUser2c276c | xand if i was to piss off, would i have to piss on first?? |
| 15:10.13 | tiolpxe | anyone know what package i should download to extract a jar file |
| 15:10.22 | wols | tiolpxe: unzip |
| 15:10.42 | tiolpxe | sweeet, thanks |
| 15:10.51 | abrotman | PupUser2c276c: please go away. you're not using debian. please get support in ##linux or #puppylinux |
| 15:11.01 | Gnea | ~troll PupUser2c276c |
| 15:11.03 | apt | ACTION hereby declares PupUser2c276c a troll |
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| 15:11.35 | PupUser2c276c | <---------- is not a troll, is 6ft 2 inches tall, |
| 15:11.52 | dummy | dpkg-reconfigure brain |
| 15:11.53 | wols | trills are big ugly guys |
| 15:11.56 | abrotman | PupUser2c276c: please go away. you're not using debian. please get support in ##linux or #puppylinux |
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| 15:12.10 | itchi | dummy: Nah, he have not install that package yet :-p |
| 15:12.13 | Gnea | !ops PupUser2c276c is off-topic, trolling, generally disruptive and annoying. |
| 15:12.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: gnea complains about: PupUser2c276c is off-topic, trolling, generally disruptive and annoying. |
| 15:12.21 | wols | PupUser2c276c: a) what you want is a WYSIWYG web editor, not just editor and b) I already told you about one |
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| 15:13.07 | PupUser2c276c | okay whats like photoshop plus is their any chat system with voice? like paltalk? |
| 15:13.12 | Gnea | PupUser2c276c: one last thing: the more you piss the people off that you're trying to ask help from, the less likely that they'll help you out. |
| 15:13.18 | dummy | wow you are well like man |
| 15:13.34 | itchi | People are to nice here |
| 15:13.40 | wols | dummy: he's not using debian but ignoring the answers he got |
| 15:13.46 | abrotman | Ronin: can we send him to efnet ? |
| 15:13.47 | PupUser2c276c | its like i'm surrounded by a pac of hungry wolves |
| 15:13.47 | itchi | Or at least, today |
| 15:13.55 | dummy | pup go to google get all that stuff |
| 15:14.02 | DocPlatypus | abrotman: yeah I wish the kick command let you kick someone onto another network |
| 15:14.04 | abrotman | PupUser2c276c: if you'd install debian .. you wouldn't be having a problem getting support here |
| 15:14.04 | DocPlatypus | that would be nice |
| 15:14.12 | wols | PupUser2c276c: no, you're an ignoramus who ignores what people tell you. so we either ignore or abuse you. easy |
| 15:14.22 | ben_goodger | DocPlatypus: not to the OFTC, thanks :) |
| 15:14.27 | jelly-home | vlt|home: is it mounted? |
| 15:14.30 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 15:14.30 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 15:14.36 | PupUser2c276c | <--------------- is a assholio |
| 15:14.39 | Rydekull | :D |
| 15:14.53 | PupUser2c276c | this is too fun |
| 15:14.53 | teledyn | damn people just /ignore and get on with it |
| 15:15.01 | Gnea | here we go with the obvious crap again |
| 15:15.21 | abrotman | teledyn: or get more ops ? |
| 15:15.27 | dummy | but really i have so many real questions you are just going to piss everyone off and ruin it for everyone |
| 15:15.31 | PupUser2c276c | listen you only ignore the people you love, my dad always said |
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| 15:15.39 | Rydekull | dummy: go ahead, ask them |
| 15:15.45 | Gnea | dummy: what's up? |
| 15:15.47 | asg | abrotman: one of these days, we should talk stew into giving us ops, at least on Sunday |
| 15:15.57 | abrotman | asg: ops for a day! |
| 15:16.01 | asg | abrotman: ftw |
| 15:16.02 | Gnea | asg: that'd be nice |
| 15:16.06 | Rydekull | Special sunday offer |
| 15:16.08 | Rydekull | :P |
| 15:16.32 | Gnea | special sunday services |
| 15:16.33 | PupUser2c276c | so what your saying is if i install redhat then i could get help in here? right? |
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| 15:16.37 | ben_goodger | stew is an insecure big-headed idiot |
| 15:16.41 | abrotman | asg: we have to ask don .. not stew |
| 15:16.44 | abrotman | ben_goodger: stop |
| 15:16.44 | dummy | not really any trouble im just so new i have literally hundreds of questions |
| 15:16.50 | ben_goodger | PupUser2c276c: why do you think that would happen? |
| 15:16.52 | asg | abrotman: true |
| 15:16.57 | itchi | PupUser2c276c: You have fuck my 45 mins work break, i wanted to have a work break to help here ... |
| 15:16.58 | ben_goodger | dummy: hurry up and ask them.. |
| 15:16.59 | Rydekull | dummy: just go ahead and ask them :) |
| 15:17.02 | abrotman | ben_goodger: please don't feed the troll |
| 15:17.03 | Gnea | the trolls are banding together. |
| 15:17.04 | Rydekull | ben_goodger: you fall to easily on his bait |
| 15:17.10 | jelly-home | vlt|home: disregard that last line, I see you have lazy-unmounted it but looks like something's still holding it. |
| 15:17.10 | Rydekull | itchi: stop falling on his bait :) |
| 15:17.17 | Gnea | ~troll ben_goodger |
| 15:17.18 | apt | ACTION hereby declares ben_goodger a troll |
| 15:17.26 | asg | Gnea: will they become mega-troll like voltron? |
| 15:17.27 | ben_goodger | thank you do much. |
| 15:17.32 | teledyn | ok now i will /ignore anyone responding to people who should be /ignored |
| 15:17.39 | Gnea | asg: hard to say... |
| 15:17.42 | Rydekull | teledyn: good idea :) |
| 15:17.42 | itchi | Rydekull: Yeah, i continue to work a bit :-p |
| 15:17.45 | ben_goodger | dummy: what are your questions? |
| 15:17.57 | PupUser2c276c | okay every put teledyn on ignore |
| 15:17.58 | Q1712 | dpkg: thx for ur help 3 days ago |
| 15:17.58 | Q1712 | i now got my etch working, last debian version i used before was potato, the changes since then are great, debian is sill the best! *freu* |
| 15:18.12 | Gnea | !botsnack |
| 15:18.12 | dpkg | Gnea: thanks |
| 15:18.14 | asg | Q1712: fyi, dpkg is a bot |
| 15:18.15 | PupUser2c276c | hey the price of banana's are down for once |
| 15:18.25 | dummy | gart seems to be aquestion i run out of gart memor after using glxgears how do i increase it |
| 15:18.30 | dummy | memory |
| 15:18.48 | ben_goodger | "gart" memory? never heard of it |
| 15:18.52 | abrotman | agpgart |
| 15:18.53 | wols | dummy: what videocard and drivers? |
| 15:18.54 | Gnea | agpgart |
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| 15:18.59 | asg | dummy: check the manpage for the display driver you are using. |
| 15:19.00 | PupUser2c276c | hey how can i install xp with puppy linux? |
| 15:19.15 | ben_goodger | dpkg, tell me about /ignore |
| 15:19.19 | dummy | im using ati 9800 pro 350 core 128meg ram |
| 15:19.27 | PupUser2c276c | sell it |
| 15:19.45 | PupUser2c276c | not good enough for vista |
| 15:19.46 | Rydekull | Q1712: Im glad you got it working. I hope you'll enjoy your time using debian etch :) |
| 15:19.52 | teledyn | ben_goodger: /ignore <nick> is all |
| 15:19.53 | Rydekull | Q1712: much better then potato afterall ;) |
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| 15:20.04 | ben_goodger | teledyn: nope.. |
| 15:20.12 | Q1712 | Rydekull: jes it is |
| 15:20.14 | wols | dummy: fglrx? |
| 15:20.15 | PupUser2c276c | ;):-*:-$>:o |
| 15:20.29 | asg | ben_goodger: you can also /msg the bot |
| 15:20.39 | wols | dummy: you could increase the "aperture"in your bios perhaps |
| 15:20.45 | ben_goodger | asg: I know |
| 15:20.56 | wols | but frankly I never heard of the problem. Another thing to do is googling the exact error message |
| 15:21.08 | Q1712 | Q1712: but took me 5 days to set it up the way i like it (no DM) |
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| 15:21.11 | ben_goodger | ah, found the ignore context menu item |
| 15:21.12 | dummy | driver says "ati" |
| 15:21.18 | PupUser2c276c | well guys when does a working debian o's come out anyways, is it still in alpha or beta stage? |
| 15:21.21 | asg | dummy: man 4 radeon |
| 15:21.23 | Rydekull | Q1712: But you did it! |
| 15:21.28 | dummy | ok |
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| 15:21.45 | teledyn | ben_goodger: power to the people |
| 15:21.59 | ben_goodger | teledyn: indeedy |
| 15:21.59 | h3sp4wn | man 4 radeon is out of date - implies no 3d on 9800pro (something I know from personal experience is nolonger true) |
| 15:22.23 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: for which version of debian ? |
| 15:22.39 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: etch |
| 15:22.41 | ben_goodger | h3sp4wn: kindly post a bug report for the relevant package, so long as the deb version in question is not outdated |
| 15:22.44 | asg | h3sp4wn: file a bug against the manpage |
| 15:22.47 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: that version doesn't |
| 15:22.57 | dummy | sweet it tell me all sorts of stuff |
| 15:22.58 | wols | h3sp4wn: R300 is supported by radeon now? |
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| 15:23.25 | Gnea | dummy: yeah the aperature should be set to 256megs if you can |
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| 15:23.35 | h3sp4wn | wols: yep |
| 15:23.52 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: but not in etch .. etch is using 7.1 |
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| 15:24.04 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: It works in 7.1 |
| 15:24.06 | dummy | this is a really good day now |
| 15:24.11 | wols | abrotman, h3sp4wn so what version does support r300? |
| 15:24.21 | h3sp4wn | 7.1 onwards |
| 15:24.28 | wols | dummy: snday in #debian is never a good day :) |
| 15:24.29 | rares000 | iceweasel keeps going to mozilla.com not to my home page |
| 15:24.46 | abrotman | then file a bug on the package owning the man page |
| 15:24.52 | Gnea | rares000: edit->preferences change homepage |
| 15:24.54 | wols | dummy: but you can ask questions all day, don't be afraid. just be willing to learn or read on your own if pointed to something |
| 15:24.56 | ben_goodger | rares000: check that it hasn't reset your homepage, then check that it isn't displaying some sort of confirmation of upgrade or somethign |
| 15:25.04 | PupUser2c276c | my debian keeps crashing can anyone help? |
| 15:25.09 | rares000 | Gnea I did |
| 15:25.19 | wols | rares000: iirc that's a bug right now |
| 15:25.45 | rares000 | oh brilliant |
| 15:25.52 | PupUser2c276c | what does debian stand for debbie does ian? |
| 15:26.08 | wols | rares000: edit your moz config files :) |
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| 15:26.17 | wols | grep for mozilla.com in them |
| 15:26.22 | dummy | i can read all day man pages are better than anything i can find on the internet but sometimes i dont think to man it thats the first thing from now on before google |
| 15:26.27 | rares000 | eek ok |
| 15:26.44 | PupUser2c276c | whats google? |
| 15:26.51 | wols | dummy: manpages suck :P |
| 15:26.55 | wols | too many are very out of date |
| 15:26.56 | ben_goodger | dummy: man pages are reference for those who know about the system already, tbh |
| 15:26.56 | PupUser2c276c | whats the internet? |
| 15:27.18 | dummy | no one has ops? |
| 15:27.22 | wols | manpages are mainly for a quick reference "what does option x do with tool y" |
| 15:27.32 | abrotman | dummy: it's the weekend .. the blackhole |
| 15:27.34 | PupUser2c276c | <----------- likes this trolling fishing thing in the chat room |
| 15:27.37 | teledyn | dummy: /usr/share/doc/<package> is a very important place for info |
| 15:28.04 | Rydekull | !tell rubenz|away about away |
| 15:28.09 | teledyn | dummy: often debian-specific info relating to <package> |
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| 15:29.08 | PupUser2c276c | hey the movie the blackhole was cool in the 80's |
| 15:29.28 | scv | O.o |
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| 15:29.37 | PupUser2c276c | eats steak for supper |
| 15:29.49 | Rydekull | xand: Paying attention to the troll, feeds the troll as you know :) |
| 15:29.59 | xand | Rydekull: but I'm bored :( |
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| 15:30.01 | dummy | i seem like im way behind i was always a hardware guy and dont know anything about programing i think everyone in here is probally able to program somthing i was pretty good with basic in the apple IIe days |
| 15:30.02 | scv | PupUser2c276c: you should stay in the #puppylinux |
| 15:30.12 | PupUser2c276c | troll hungry abd uts rydekull |
| 15:30.13 | Rydekull | scv: Please dont feed the troll |
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| 15:30.19 | scv | ok |
| 15:30.46 | Rydekull | dummy: hah, I dont program anything |
| 15:30.52 | PupUser2c276c | like i didn't hear that 50 times already scv thanks for stating it |
| 15:30.56 | Rydekull | dummy: I've read up on many different languages, but I hate programming |
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| 15:31.21 | PupUser2c276c | talking about languages i speak 3 english/french/love |
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| 15:31.28 | Rydekull | dummy: thats the only thing I really thing is sad. Since if i'd like programming i'd be able to help out more |
| 15:31.52 | ben_goodger | dummy: I had a BBC Micro back in 2000... was quite nice. I've been trying to learn python ever since |
| 15:32.05 | Sjord | How can I create a WAV from the command line? |
| 15:32.07 | PupUser2c276c | c-64 will make a comeback |
| 15:32.15 | ben_goodger | Sjord: what do you mean? |
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| 15:32.34 | asg | Sjord: what's the source of the input? |
| 15:32.35 | PupUser2c276c | infact there is a c-64 server online, talking about a waste of time |
| 15:32.39 | ben_goodger | Sjord: you can convert between different types of audio codec and container by means of ffmpeg |
| 15:32.39 | Sjord | asg: I don't care. |
| 15:32.52 | PupUser2c276c | 8bit server |
| 15:33.00 | Sjord | I want to test an MP3 program. |
| 15:33.04 | dummy | ill be back changing video settings in bios |
| 15:33.18 | PupUser2c276c | try xine sjord |
| 15:33.30 | Rydekull | Sjord: xmms is good |
| 15:33.31 | ben_goodger | Sjord: cat /dev/urandom ~/crap.wav may do it |
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| 15:33.54 | PupUser2c276c | man did it ever rain today |
| 15:33.59 | Sjord | ben_goodger: I think WAV files have a 32 byte header, with the length and stuff. |
| 15:34.04 | jelly-home | ben_goodger: it may not. |
| 15:34.21 | asg | Sjord: then use the sox package to convert something to wav |
| 15:34.40 | ben_goodger | Sjord, jelly-home: indeed |
| 15:35.06 | abrotman | !afo |
| 15:35.06 | dpkg | asg for ops! |
| 15:35.12 | PupUser2c276c | <------------ likes jello |
| 15:35.13 | Sjord | Sox seems good. |
| 15:35.16 | jelly-home | !afo |
| 15:35.16 | dpkg | antgel for ops! |
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| 15:35.23 | ben_goodger | hmm |
| 15:35.25 | Rydekull | abrotman: bored? |
| 15:35.25 | ben_goodger | !bfo |
| 15:35.33 | abrotman | Rydekull: getting ready to head out :) |
| 15:35.34 | ben_goodger | aww. |
| 15:35.35 | rares000 | ok none of it makes any sense |
| 15:35.39 | Rydekull | abrotman: figured :) |
| 15:35.49 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 15:35.55 | ben_goodger | rares000: still not working? |
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| 15:36.25 | Sjord | Thanks. |
| 15:36.26 | PupUser2c276c | anyone been watching the nhL |
| 15:36.45 | PupUser2c276c | don't get it here in australia |
| 15:36.49 | xand | Bhaal: make PupUser2c276c go away :( |
| 15:37.02 | Rydekull | Bhaal: yes, that's be very nice of you |
| 15:37.08 | Rydekull | that'd* |
| 15:37.26 | abrotman | that's automated guys ... |
| 15:37.40 | PupUser2c276c | Bhaal: make xand.Rydekull go away 8-|) |
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| 15:38.37 | ben_goodger | dummy: wb |
| 15:38.41 | PupUser2c276c | so if debian is so great how come their's no admin in here? |
| 15:38.47 | Ronin | there are |
| 15:39.08 | dummy | thank you 100% cpu usage with glx gears also |
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| 15:39.46 | PupUser2c276c | hey whats ? Sarge is Debian 3.1, and is now considered "stable". |
| 15:39.50 | dummy | but compiz is sweet |
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| 15:40.05 | PupUser2c276c | is it a small distro like puppy? |
| 15:40.16 | ben_goodger | dummy: by "sweet" you mean "unstable, unpredictable and productivity-decreasing"? |
| 15:40.35 | PupUser2c276c | so xand is sweet then |
| 15:41.02 | dummy | i mean like doing crazy stuff on a snow board that i was never cool enough to do |
| 15:41.03 | teledyn | lol |
| 15:41.09 | Rydekull | ben_goodger: well, I wouldnt agreed on the productivity-decreasing though |
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| 15:41.24 | Rydekull | ben_goodger: infact, using beryl make it so much easier to switch between lots of windows |
| 15:41.40 | ben_goodger | Rydekull: hmm, depends on whether you spend ages wrestling with the settings to turn off most of the eyecandy |
| 15:41.51 | PupUser2c276c | have you ever wondered if they use debian as a office distro in a sperm bank office? |
| 15:41.57 | Rydekull | ben_goodger: doesnt need ages, just around a minute :) |
| 15:41.58 | x_link | ben_goodger: Not that hard to fix the settings. |
| 15:42.03 | dummy | it is eye candy and thats why linux is going to go craxy |
| 15:42.05 | x_link | Rydekull: Yep. |
| 15:42.08 | bzed | !ops PupUser2c276c is a troll |
| 15:42.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: bzed complains about: PupUser2c276c is a troll |
| 15:42.08 | dummy | crazy |
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| 15:42.32 | wols | dummy: it's mostly useless. no real use neither on vista nor linux nor osx imho |
| 15:42.38 | PupUser2c276c | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: bzed complains about: dpkg,xand |
| 15:42.42 | wols | pretty is nice but a waste of cycles |
| 15:42.55 | ben_goodger | wols: apple have managed to make it useful, with expose |
| 15:43.01 | jelly-home | vista's eyecandy is less intrusive |
| 15:43.06 | Rydekull | wols: you know, its really useful too |
| 15:43.09 | wols | ben_goodger: how do you need DX9 for that? |
| 15:43.13 | PupUser2c276c | vista suckkkkkkkkkkkksssssssssssssss |
| 15:43.18 | Rydekull | wols: it has a useability :) But still |
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| 15:43.24 | wols | Rydekull: useful for what? |
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| 15:43.34 | PupUser2c276c | wasting $150 |
| 15:43.38 | dummy | like skinny puppy here he has no idea what is going on he just knows his desk top spins around it is a cool point for marketing |
| 15:43.46 | ben_goodger | wols: you don't, you use opengl obviouslyt |
| 15:43.55 | Rydekull | wols: wait, what now, when did I miss the turn of the discussion to DX9? |
| 15:43.56 | wols | ben_goodger: same thing |
| 15:43.58 | PupUser2c276c | <--------- likes skinny puppy |
| 15:44.04 | dummy | i want to try selling computers and im going to use compiz for display purposes |
| 15:44.09 | PupUser2c276c | <--------- likes debian users |
| 15:44.14 | xand | Ferret: you spoke :o |
| 15:44.16 | wols | expose is a function of the windowing api. nothing to do with transparency and stuff |
| 15:44.23 | PupUser2c276c | <----------- thinks debian users are funny as hell |
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| 15:45.25 | PupUser2c276c | well guys i think i'll get trolling some place else, does anyone want to come and have fun??? |
| 15:45.52 | dummy | you cant put you desk top on a cube in vista can you? i heard you could just turn it a little |
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| 15:47.05 | PupUser2c276c | okay not everyone speak at once? |
| 15:47.19 | PupUser2c276c | well cya guys its been real fun |
| 15:47.42 | schme | Why would I want to put my desktop on a cube? |
| 15:48.07 | PupUser2c276c | <------------ if you need any debian help in the future just add me to your list and i'll give ya a hand |
| 15:48.37 | PupUser2c276c | like thats possible |
| 15:48.48 | PupUser2c276c | chow mein |
| 15:48.53 | teledyn | schme: to watch it melt? |
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| 15:49.06 | schme | sxemacs on one side of the cube.. and sxemacs on the other sides too. I suppose. |
| 15:49.13 | schme | teledyn: Hehehehe. |
| 15:49.57 | jelly-home | teledyn: what do melting watches have to do with it? |
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| 15:53.17 | teledyn | jelly-home: not much to do with cubes AFAIK |
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| 15:54.37 | dummy | now time to change to 8x agp |
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| 15:55.59 | jelly-home | teledyn: Hmm, Dali would disagree. http://images.google.com/images?q=melting%20watch |
| 15:56.22 | teledyn | would picasso though? |
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| 15:57.29 | Rydekull | haha PupUser2c276c is in #ubuntu now :D |
| 15:57.36 | roxy_ | how can I get java applet to work in iceape ? |
| 15:57.50 | capiira | hmm is there a way to restore all the debian etch package signatures? |
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| 15:58.30 | teledyn | jelly-home: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubism |
| 15:58.32 | PupUser2c276c | hi room boy ubuntu room people were really nice, man thats borring |
| 16:00.03 | roxy_ | I don't have the sun-java5-plugin package for amd64/testing. |
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| 16:00.53 | jetscreamer | roxy_: are you sure it's not in nonfree or something? |
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| 16:01.15 | [abhishek] | i installed postfix but when i start it from init.d it says main.cf not found |
| 16:01.56 | Rydekull | jetscreamer, roxy_: I dont think it's packaged yet for amd64, focus on the think. I've not seen it atleast :) |
| 16:01.59 | roxy_ | jetscreamer: no |
| 16:02.02 | dummy | ok i just edited my xorg.conf put option under devices option "AGPMode" "8" is that right and can i just stop x and restart it. |
| 16:02.04 | row | Anyone know if you can manage the Creative ZEN Vision:M's playlists and such via any linux apps at the moment? |
| 16:02.28 | roxy_ | Rydekull, jetscreamer : but isn't it just a matter of creating a link ? |
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| 16:02.54 | Rydekull | roxy_: Got no idea :) |
| 16:03.09 | PupUser2c276c | i always new that |
| 16:03.14 | bzed | roxy_: there's only a 32 bit java plugin so far :| |
| 16:03.19 | jetscreamer | roxy_: i remember having to create such a symlink, but that was like at least 3 months ago, and i don't even have java installed atm iirc |
| 16:03.28 | bzed | roxy_: you'd ahve to run a 32bit browser to be able to use it |
| 16:03.32 | PupUser2c276c | well get java and do some css |
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| 16:03.50 | jetscreamer | is he still here? zomg |
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| 16:04.18 | stoned | dude |
| 16:04.20 | PupUser2c276c | can i get a large all-dressed pizza from 1800 debian |
| 16:04.20 | stoned | what is zomg? |
| 16:04.21 | roxy_ | bzed: I am using konqueror with java6 on my amd64 without problem. It should be possible to do the same with iceape. |
| 16:04.25 | stoned | I have never figured it out |
| 16:04.29 | Rydekull | stoned: hooray, take care of PupUser2c276c for us? :) |
| 16:04.31 | jetscreamer | what does java have to do with css |
| 16:04.38 | stoned | I've been seeing this zomg thing around for like a few weeks |
| 16:04.39 | jetscreamer | zoe vs oh |
| 16:04.45 | stoned | huh |
| 16:04.48 | stoned | zeo is a sexy name |
| 16:04.50 | jelly-home | zlol |
| 16:04.51 | Rydekull | !zomg |
| 16:04.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, zomg is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZOMG |
| 16:04.52 | stoned | i like it laot |
| 16:04.54 | Rydekull | :) |
| 16:04.55 | PupUser2c276c | hey stoned how it going buddy |
| 16:05.00 | stoned | who the fuck are you |
| 16:05.04 | stoned | how did I become your buddy |
| 16:05.08 | wols | stoned: ignore him. a troll |
| 16:05.09 | stoned | and I'm ok I guess, just wakin up |
| 16:05.13 | Rydekull | stoned: troll, been here for around.. 1 and a half hour without a op :) |
| 16:05.19 | [abhishek] | !i installed postfix but when i start it from init.d it says main.cf not found |
| 16:05.20 | stoned | really |
| 16:05.24 | stoned | and we've tried !op? |
| 16:05.28 | Rydekull | yes |
| 16:05.29 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 16:05.34 | PupUser2c276c | <---------- I am what I am, popeye the sailor man |
| 16:05.35 | jelly-home | no staff members online either |
| 16:05.35 | wols | [abhishek]: /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 16:05.37 | Rydekull | like, five times :) |
| 16:05.41 | jetscreamer | !say give abrotman ops!!! |
| 16:05.41 | dpkg | give abrotman ops!!! |
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| 16:05.51 | stoned | no |
| 16:05.54 | stoned | don't give abrotman ops |
| 16:05.57 | [abhishek] | wols: it is not there |
| 16:06.10 | wols | [abhishek]: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 16:06.17 | stoned | its gonna be like the fucking -ot dictatorship in here |
| 16:06.19 | wols | I hope you installed it via .deb from debian repos? |
| 16:06.19 | stoned | oh god! |
| 16:06.22 | PupUser2c276c | <---------- is not a troll, actually i'm good looking |
| 16:06.27 | jetscreamer | !ops you don't need sleep, deal with PupUser2c276c !!! |
| 16:06.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: jetscreamer complains about: you don't need sleep, deal with PupUser2c276c !!! |
| 16:06.47 | PupUser2c276c | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: jetscreamer complains about: you don't need sleep, deal with dpkg!!! |
| 16:06.49 | [abhishek] | wols: ok... yes |
| 16:06.57 | stoned | oh boy |
| 16:07.02 | stoned | I have no more pot hleft! |
| 16:07.05 | stoned | how the fuck this ithis happen |
| 16:07.11 | stoned | zomg! |
| 16:07.12 | stoned | hehehe |
| 16:07.13 | jetscreamer | bad planning |
| 16:07.16 | jelly-home | stoned: eh, a little dictatorship does everyone good |
| 16:07.23 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure postfix should create main.cf and the other config files |
| 16:07.25 | PupUser2c276c | who knows stoned grow some hydro weed |
| 16:07.32 | xand | PupUser2c276c: OMG ASL |
| 16:07.36 | stoned | wellI |
| 16:07.48 | stoned | I got a 12pack of budd and some beer salt |
| 16:07.54 | stoned | I just woke up, might as well get started |
| 16:07.57 | xand | beer salt? |
| 16:08.06 | stoned | yup |
| 16:08.08 | stoned | lemon lime salt |
| 16:08.12 | PupUser2c276c | that cool 12 pack is just a light snack |
| 16:08.14 | stoned | you eat it while you drink beers |
| 16:08.14 | jetscreamer | i might be stuck with a different flavor tomorrow, and that will suck |
| 16:08.23 | asg | xand: makes the crap he's drinking taste etter |
| 16:08.23 | xand | erm ok then |
| 16:08.25 | asg | *better |
| 16:08.31 | stoned | asg: ! |
| 16:08.31 | wols | stoned: it's for the people who can't afford tequila? |
| 16:08.34 | PupUser2c276c | not much of debian talking in this chat room |
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| 16:08.40 | jetscreamer | asg! asg! he's the one for you and me!!! |
| 16:08.45 | jetscreamer | well ok you |
| 16:08.45 | stoned | wols: I can't _handle_ teq. |
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| 16:08.51 | asg | stoned: :) |
| 16:08.51 | punter | Do we have some vague estimate as to when Debian etch is coming out? |
| 16:08.52 | jetscreamer | stoned: me neither |
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| 16:08.59 | xand | punter: when it's ready |
| 16:09.00 | PupUser2c276c | hey stoned is this a chat room? |
| 16:09.03 | Rydekull | punter: topic |
| 16:09.05 | jelly-home | !etch pool |
| 16:09.05 | dpkg | i heard etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 16:09.06 | punter | a yes |
| 16:09.07 | wols | sounds like you can't handle beer either :) |
| 16:09.09 | punter | !etch pool |
| 16:09.24 | jetscreamer | i can't |
| 16:09.24 | stoned | PupUser2c276c: I am one of the only ones who hardly every talks about anything on topic |
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| 16:09.30 | dummy | after the 1x to 8x agp change no more 100% cpu usage on glxgears |
| 16:09.40 | asg | dummy: cool |
| 16:09.41 | stoned | wols: I can, beer salt is tangy! its tasty |
| 16:09.44 | jetscreamer | !wtg dummy |
| 16:09.44 | dpkg | Way to go, dummy! Gnarly! |
| 16:09.54 | PupUser2c276c | they've been shitting on me all night for that stoned |
| 16:09.55 | stoned | wols: and you're slow, AND you're backwards |
| 16:10.04 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice PupUser2c276c |
| 16:10.06 | stoned | PupUser2c276c: yeh but i been here for year and years and years |
| 16:10.17 | dummy | thank you, thank you |
| 16:10.18 | capiira | so is there a way to restore all the debian etch package signatures? anyone know? |
| 16:10.28 | jetscreamer | signatures? |
| 16:10.29 | stoned | capiira: package signatures? |
| 16:10.31 | asg | capiira: which signatures? |
| 16:10.45 | stoned | maybe he has no public key! and he umm. wait what? |
| 16:10.47 | capiira | for authentication |
| 16:10.57 | jetscreamer | sounds like key to me |
| 16:10.58 | PupUser2c276c | awwwwwwwww dpkg want me heart and its not even valentines day |
| 16:11.01 | capiira | yeah key |
| 16:11.05 | jetscreamer | /topic |
| 16:11.07 | Rydekull | capiira: debian-keyring-manager? |
| 16:11.16 | stoned | !etch key |
| 16:11.16 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 16:11.22 | stoned | !no public key |
| 16:11.22 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 16:11.25 | Rydekull | oh, that was it's name :D |
| 16:11.27 | stoned | there you go |
| 16:11.42 | AciD | is there any quick and reliable way to migrate a debian system from one (small) hard drive to a bigger one ? |
| 16:11.43 | dummy | do i dare enable fastwrites? |
| 16:11.46 | itchi | PupUser2c276c: May i ask; How old are you? |
| 16:11.50 | capiira | dunnothx :) |
| 16:11.52 | asg | dummy: can't hurt to try it |
| 16:11.53 | capiira | thx :) |
| 16:11.55 | jetscreamer | !spam the topic in capiira's client!!! |
| 16:11.58 | PupUser2c276c | hey stoned i figured out what debian stands for DEBbie does ian |
| 16:12.11 | stoned | PupUser2c276c: of course, duh! |
| 16:12.13 | PupUser2c276c | itchi 36 |
| 16:12.18 | xand | months? |
| 16:12.20 | stoned | PupUser2c276c: married people usually do comsumate their marriage |
| 16:12.24 | stoned | you know... |
| 16:12.28 | jetscreamer | n |
| 16:12.33 | jetscreamer | wake tf up |
| 16:12.42 | PupUser2c276c | ya been married for 5 long ass years |
| 16:12.51 | stoned | !ot |
| 16:12.51 | dpkg | it has been said that ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 16:12.53 | jetscreamer | poor woman |
| 16:12.56 | jelly-home | Umm, can you please abstain from talking to the trol |
| 16:13.06 | stoned | jelly-home: my bad my bad! I sowwie |
| 16:13.07 | jetscreamer | l |
| 16:13.08 | itchi | Yup, sorry |
| 16:13.23 | jetscreamer | trull, too |
| 16:13.23 | stoned | jetscreamer: whats 1+1? |
| 16:13.28 | jetscreamer | 11 |
| 16:13.34 | jetscreamer | or 10 |
| 16:13.34 | jelly-home | stoned: at least the music talk is interesting ;-) |
| 16:13.36 | stoned | well for corporations and stuff sure |
| 16:13.50 | stoned | but for an average working man like you and me bro |
| 16:13.53 | stoned | 1+1 == 1.5 |
| 16:14.01 | stoned | fucking gov. takes out a lot of tax |
| 16:14.08 | stoned | can't ever save up |
| 16:14.15 | PupUser2c276c | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.37 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 16:14.45 | stoned | jetscreamer: hah |
| 16:14.48 | stoned | oh whoop |
| 16:14.55 | stoned | I should do my taxes, should get some money back |
| 16:15.07 | PupUser2c276c | and buy weed |
| 16:15.16 | asg | stoned: you can't claim weed as a deduction though |
| 16:15.18 | stoned | I gotta smoke stems and weed powder from the bottom of the tray until my weed woman wakes up |
| 16:15.22 | stoned | asg: lol |
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| 16:15.32 | jetscreamer | clean the bhaang! |
| 16:15.44 | jetscreamer | drink the bong water!!! |
| 16:15.44 | stoned | I have not hand any bhaang in like 10 years |
| 16:15.49 | stoned | since the last time I was in pakistan |
| 16:15.49 | asg | stoned: If I could claim beer as a medicinal expense, I'd get a huge return |
| 16:15.56 | stoned | o yea |
| 16:16.07 | stoned | wow sunday morning is sure not busy in here |
| 16:16.12 | itchi | stoned: What's happend today with you too? |
| 16:16.15 | stoned | I could frolick around like a tool |
| 16:16.18 | stoned | and get away with it! |
| 16:16.19 | stoned | omg! |
| 16:16.22 | stoned | er.. wait, zom! |
| 16:16.27 | jetscreamer | g |
| 16:16.27 | stoned | ohj fuckalksdjf;a! zomg! |
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| 16:16.32 | stoned | hehe |
| 16:16.42 | stoned | itchi: hi bro |
| 16:16.44 | stoned | not much |
| 16:16.52 | PupUser2c276c | hey stoned ever watch the pot-tv ?? http://www.pot-tv.net |
| 16:16.54 | itchi | stoned: No, please |
| 16:16.55 | stoned | just waking up comtemplating resin tokage or beer chuggage |
| 16:17.03 | stoned | itchi: no what please? |
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| 16:17.19 | jetscreamer | isn't edlin an op? |
| 16:17.22 | stoned | actually I've had enough fun, its time for me to shush |
| 16:17.23 | itchi | stoned: I'm not your bro and not want it :-) |
| 16:17.26 | EdLin | jetscreamer: no. |
| 16:17.42 | stoned | itchi: of course we are, not biological brothers, but spiritual brothers! |
| 16:17.43 | jetscreamer | darn |
| 16:17.53 | EdLin | jetscreamer: you need them? |
| 16:18.06 | Rydekull | EdLin: noone is awake though :) |
| 16:18.08 | stoned | itchi when aliens come to take over the planet, we'll buddy up and be bros |
| 16:18.13 | jetscreamer | not especially... they don't respond to the !op thing though |
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| 16:18.22 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 16:18.23 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 16:18.27 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.31 | jetscreamer | i wish |
| 16:18.35 | stoned | / \ |
| 16:18.39 | stoned | hey ! |
| 16:18.43 | stoned | :( |
| 16:19.26 | jetscreamer | humans need to be invaded, give the planet a common enemy, you're right |
| 16:19.29 | fc | stoned, im sure you know the answer to my crippling question, and i hope you tell it to me, as well |
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| 16:20.06 | fc | this is driving me insane. i havent found anything on google. nautilus opens a new window everytime i open a new directory, and id like them to open within the same window |
| 16:20.15 | fc | where are the window behavior settings in nautilus?? |
| 16:20.36 | stoned | fc: I don't use it, but i think you go to options and check the box titled open windows in browser window |
| 16:20.40 | jetscreamer | did you try gconf? |
| 16:20.41 | asg | fc: #gnome on oftc.net should know |
| 16:20.43 | stoned | then it will open a new tab instead of a new window |
| 16:20.45 | stoned | I think |
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| 16:20.54 | stoned | or something |
| 16:21.09 | jetscreamer | there are many setting in gconf for it, not sure if what you want is there though |
| 16:21.12 | fc | stoned, nah theres no option for it in preferences, which i thought was odd |
| 16:21.13 | EdLin | irc.gimp.org I think is the home of #gnome |
| 16:21.17 | jelly-home | fc: It could be one of Gnome's little "you don't need settings for that" |
| 16:21.19 | jetscreamer | yes it is |
| 16:21.22 | stoned | fc: gnome sucks |
| 16:21.23 | fc | ill check gconf. thanks jetscreamer |
| 16:21.30 | asg | stoned: better than sucking gnomes |
| 16:21.31 | fc | i use xfce |
| 16:21.34 | stoned | fc: true |
| 16:21.39 | stoned | er.. |
| 16:21.42 | stoned | asg |
| 16:21.47 | stoned | xfce is nice |
| 16:21.48 | fsmunoz | fc, have your read http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/spatial-nautilus.html ? |
| 16:21.48 | jetscreamer | !info xfe |
| 16:21.49 | fc | what do you use? fluxbox? |
| 16:21.51 | jelly-home | fc: I use xfce + konqueror :-> |
| 16:22.00 | stoned | I use kde |
| 16:22.03 | stoned | its a very nice a |
| 16:22.05 | dpkg | xfe: (lightweight file manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.88-3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 883 kB, Installed size: 2828 kB |
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| 16:22.13 | stoned | like-a a meatball-a |
| 16:22.16 | jetscreamer | dammit!/e uses that one |
| 16:22.17 | stoned | tasta eh |
| 16:22.19 | EdLin | !info xfce4 |
| 16:22.20 | fsmunoz | fc, there is a "Don't like it?" section there. I remember that disabling the spatial mode was a FAQ at some point in time |
| 16:22.22 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 16:22.27 | EdLin | !info xfce |
| 16:22.29 | dpkg | xfce4: (Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.99.2 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 16:22.36 | EdLin | sigh |
| 16:22.39 | amee2k | a tricky one: how can i prevent OpenSSH from advertising its name, version and OS? |
| 16:22.45 | hark | fc: look in nautilus preferences and set open in browser windows |
| 16:22.48 | fc | fsmunoz im looking at it thanks! |
| 16:22.50 | asg | amee2k: you have to hack the code |
| 16:22.55 | fc | i remember having looked at gconf before |
| 16:23.14 | luke_ | Hi, I have a new flat screen monitor which I have added to my Debian system and now X does not load. I have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and this did not fix my problem. Any suggestions? |
| 16:23.17 | stoned | amee2k: you will have to get the source package, strip off the version and software identificaion strings, and rebuild the packages with dpkg |
| 16:23.21 | fc | i havent logged into debian for a while because of work and other mundane activities that take up time from the really important things |
| 16:23.27 | amee2k | preferably non-destructive. is there no config directive to make it less informative, like apache has? |
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| 16:23.33 | stoned | amee2k: its fairly trivial, I do it to my servers all the time, not on everything but |
| 16:23.43 | xand | luke_: what version of debian |
| 16:23.44 | itchi | luke_: What's the error you get? |
| 16:23.49 | luke_ | testing |
| 16:23.59 | amee2k | is there a howto? i've never had to recompile a package with dpkg |
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| 16:24.07 | stoned | yes there is |
| 16:24.07 | luke_ | itchi out of sync sort of problem. ie my monitor cant cope! |
| 16:24.08 | xand | luke_: xfree86 isn't in testing... sure you didn't do it for xorg? |
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| 16:24.18 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 16:24.18 | dpkg | from memory, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 16:24.20 | itchi | luke_: Set your refresh rate to 60 |
| 16:24.24 | amee2k | linky plz :) |
| 16:24.24 | luke_ | xand yea sorry, xserver-xorg |
| 16:24.31 | stoned | !tell amee2k -about package basics |
| 16:24.31 | luke_ | itchi okay will try that |
| 16:24.32 | luke_ | bbias |
| 16:24.43 | jetscreamer | hwinfo --monitor then insert into xorg.conf |
| 16:24.48 | itchi | luke_: Or somethings to that, take the manual of your new screen, it should be noted there |
| 16:25.07 | amee2k | interresting. will read. ty |
| 16:25.12 | stoned | mhm |
| 16:25.26 | fc | wow, it was the browser windows setting |
| 16:25.33 | stoned | I told yo! |
| 16:25.38 | stoned | fucking listen to potheads |
| 16:25.43 | stoned | they are more intelligent than you know |
| 16:25.44 | fc | thats an odd name for a setting that does that |
| 16:25.49 | stoned | we're omni soemthing |
| 16:25.55 | stoned | I dunno which omni, but we're it |
| 16:26.12 | fc | i think ive set that option in the past before and it killed xfce-desktop when i set it |
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| 16:26.22 | stoned | fc: use thunar! |
| 16:26.25 | asg | deux ex stoned |
| 16:26.26 | stoned | its a very nice a |
| 16:26.29 | fc | in the past, as opposed to in the future. |
| 16:26.50 | fc | thunar? i read about someone talking about it today |
| 16:26.58 | stoned | asg: it coems with xfce in unstable |
| 16:27.00 | stoned | dunno bout etch |
| 16:27.05 | stoned | i don't use etch |
| 16:27.16 | fc | ah but comes with 4.4 |
| 16:27.18 | EdLin | my favorite file manager is /bin/bash |
| 16:27.21 | fc | yeah, i only have 4.3.99 |
| 16:27.22 | stoned | yp |
| 16:27.25 | asg | stoned: thunar? |
| 16:27.27 | stoned | you're on etch |
| 16:27.34 | stoned | asg: xfce file manager |
| 16:27.39 | stoned | not xffm |
| 16:27.48 | asg | it's in etch |
| 16:27.49 | stoned | is a new one |
| 16:27.51 | stoned | oh cool |
| 16:28.04 | wols | thanks. could be better than rox filer for my low end machine |
| 16:28.12 | jetscreamer | xfe! |
| 16:28.12 | stoned | it is better than rox filer |
| 16:28.17 | stoned | gentoo! |
| 16:28.23 | stoned | I like gentoo |
| 16:28.28 | jetscreamer | never tried it |
| 16:28.31 | stoned | first time I was exposed to it was on the DSL cd |
| 16:28.36 | stoned | its very nice, dual pane |
| 16:28.42 | stoned | simple effective |
| 16:28.53 | jetscreamer | mc! |
| 16:28.54 | fc | yeah it looks good |
| 16:29.00 | fc | ill use thunar instead |
| 16:29.06 | fc | somehow its in etch |
| 16:29.18 | fc | i thought xfce was frozen at 4.3.99 |
| 16:29.21 | stoned | you can always build packages of sid on etch from source |
| 16:29.32 | stoned | !tell fc -about backports |
| 16:29.37 | fc | haha i know |
| 16:29.40 | stoned | word |
| 16:29.41 | EdLin | or pinning |
| 16:29.43 | fc | but i wanted to stick to etch |
| 16:29.46 | EdLin | !tell fc -about pinning |
| 16:29.59 | stoned | er.. pinning can be umm a bit well mixing packages is not like advised |
| 16:30.06 | hark | it's in etch.. |
| 16:30.34 | fc | stoned do you ever use apt-build |
| 16:30.36 | EdLin | stoned: etch and sid during a freeze are pretty close to each other - usually, and you can usually guess if something's pulling too many dependencies in. |
| 16:30.39 | stoned | sure |
| 16:30.57 | stoned | EdLin: I stray clear of testing |
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| 16:31.22 | EdLin | stoned: when its this close to being stable, there's not much to be afraid of... |
| 16:31.26 | stoned | I don't have it on any of my boxes |
| 16:31.30 | vlt|home | jelly-home: Are there other tools (than fuser or lsof) that tell me what still uses a ressource? |
| 16:31.33 | luke_ | exit |
| 16:31.33 | stoned | EdLin: its not that, I just am too lazy |
| 16:31.35 | luke_ | oops |
| 16:31.36 | EdLin | stoned: well, if you have servers, run stable. |
| 16:31.48 | stoned | EdLin: yeh , for my desktop I've always ever used sid |
| 16:32.14 | stoned | servers all sarge |
| 16:32.14 | jelly-home | vlt|home: not that I know of |
| 16:32.14 | jetscreamer | etch is boring real men use sid |
| 16:32.25 | jetscreamer | and experimental |
| 16:32.26 | jelly-home | vlt|home: or, eh, just reboot ;-) |
| 16:32.33 | EdLin | one of the good things about Debian is that it can be boring if you need it to be. |
| 16:32.35 | vlt|home | But where does mdadm know it's in use? |
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| 16:32.49 | stoned | well my box is thrown together with snapthos, experimental, packages on sid |
| 16:33.01 | stoned | snapshits* |
| 16:33.02 | stoned | shots* |
| 16:33.03 | stoned | fuck |
| 16:33.04 | ntbnnt | debian isnt about manilyness - haha - thats what packages are for |
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| 16:33.11 | jetscreamer | only 1hr 15 min left of my ftp upload oh joy!!! |
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| 16:33.59 | jetscreamer | stoned check out my 1337 site!!! in ie!!! http://mapping.hfds.com/ |
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| 16:34.06 | arnold | Hello, I've got a problem scanning... error : interface 0 claimed by usbfs while 'xsane' sets config #1... I need help thanks in advanced |
| 16:34.14 | jetscreamer | wasn't that exciting? |
| 16:34.45 | jetscreamer | and look at all the work i put into http://mapping.hfds.com/maps/ |
| 16:34.49 | jetscreamer | zomg!!! |
| 16:35.18 | fc | is xcompmgr still in experimental? |
| 16:35.22 | stoned | am I supposwed to be able to read anything |
| 16:35.30 | jetscreamer | not really |
| 16:35.31 | xand | stoned: don't know, do you have eyes? |
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| 16:35.43 | stoned | xand: dude its a buncha bullshit |
| 16:35.49 | jetscreamer | well yes, but it's not supposed to say anything |
| 16:35.50 | xand | ... |
| 16:35.55 | fc | i had it running a while ago and disappeared with an apt-get upgrade |
| 16:36.06 | xand | arnold: are you using debian this time? |
| 16:36.12 | arnold | I am |
| 16:36.20 | setog3 | hmm I am trying to use update-alternative .. but don't understand , I have a script less.sh in my /usr/bin, and I want to use it for the pager, so I do sudo update-alternatives --set pager /usr/bin/less.sh .. but don't works ! |
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| 16:36.24 | jetscreamer | lol@xand |
| 16:36.29 | xand | o.o |
| 16:36.31 | arnold | xand I am |
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| 16:36.38 | vlt|home | jelly-home: reboot!?!!? "17:34:33 up 248 days, 6:44, 21 users, load average: 0.33, 0.46, 0.29" |
| 16:36.50 | luke_ | Hi, my x windows is still not working. I have changed the refresh rate to 60 now and it fails to load when I reboot. However when I login as non-root and execute startx manually, it loads. I am little confused on this and some help would be more appreciated. |
| 16:36.52 | jetscreamer | setog3: it's all greek to me but i think there's an add-alternative command |
| 16:36.54 | ntbnnt | na |
| 16:36.55 | stoned | oh so it wsan't just windows |
| 16:37.05 | stoned | its just a buncha weird numbers and letters |
| 16:37.10 | jetscreamer | no it's random gibberish |
| 16:37.11 | stoned | i check it in IE and ff in linux too |
| 16:37.14 | stoned | ahh |
| 16:37.20 | stoned | I wasl ike wtf is my encoding fucked? |
| 16:37.20 | EdLin | luke_: you shouldn't ever run X as root, that's your first screw up. |
| 16:37.28 | EdLin | !drxx luke_ |
| 16:37.28 | dpkg | luke_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:37.46 | jelly-home | vlt|home: ya, schedule some downtime and reboot. |
| 16:37.53 | luke_ | okay, but why isnt gdm loading up X? I have added a new flat screen monitor. |
| 16:37.55 | arnold | ?? |
| 16:38.05 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.14 | luke_ | dpkg xmd5 |
| 16:38.14 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 16:38.16 | EdLin | luke_: because you haven't updated it to work with the new monitor. |
| 16:38.19 | jetscreamer | man update-alternatives |
| 16:38.27 | fc | stoned, would anyone ever buy a debian reference book? i dont understand why someone would want to buy one given theres much more stuff on google |
| 16:38.28 | stoned | alright thats it |
| 16:38.33 | stoned | I've closed #debian-ur |
| 16:38.38 | jetscreamer | luke_: add -plow to the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:38.41 | luke_ | okay trying this then |
| 16:38.43 | stoned | most hindu/urdu speaking people speak well enough english |
| 16:38.50 | stoned | they don't need a hindi/urdu support channel |
| 16:38.51 | luke_ | okay jetscreamer |
| 16:38.58 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure -plow |
| 16:39.01 | setog3 | jetscreamer: yes you have right .. it's install .. but I think I miss understand the man .. thx to you |
| 16:39.05 | EdLin | fc: "The Debian System" contains a lot of useful advanced stuff. |
| 16:39.19 | EdLin | fc: most other "Linux" books though are crap. |
| 16:39.20 | ntbnnt | haha |
| 16:39.31 | stoned | fc: everything you need/want to know is on debian.org |
| 16:39.31 | jetscreamer | setog3: it's twicksy... i never really got it and just did it manually |
| 16:39.45 | stoned | fc, the bot holds over 30k factoids |
| 16:39.52 | stoned | !tell fc -about dpkgbot |
| 16:39.52 | fc | edlin yeah ive read about that book, i also heard its the best one. but i wonder whether you cant just get that info online |
| 16:40.10 | jetscreamer | i absorb more information from a book than i can online |
| 16:40.12 | EdLin | fc: you probably can. Depends upon what your time is worth. It also comes with a Sarge DVD. |
| 16:40.12 | jelly-home | vlt|home: umount -l isn't a real umount... it's just a suggestion to umount if/when the device isn't used any more |
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| 16:40.39 | fc | edlin, and the book is available online too, cause its from no starch press, right? |
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| 16:41.20 | stoned | I'm gonna learn and start donig web design for a living |
| 16:41.24 | stoned | its fun |
| 16:41.41 | EdLin | fc: hmm, maybe it is online. I like dead trees for some reason. |
| 16:41.42 | fc | i have to learn python someday |
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| 16:42.04 | fc | edlin, me too. they make you look smarter |
| 16:42.12 | EdLin | fc: "dive into python" is a good online book that's available in print also. |
| 16:42.33 | stoned | Pakistani authorities report the capture of the most senior Taliban official since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan |
| 16:42.40 | stoned | cool! |
| 16:42.53 | stoned | wikipedia news |
| 16:42.55 | EdLin | stoned: that's good, considering that Osama is probably in Pakistan. |
| 16:43.02 | EdLin | ;-) |
| 16:43.05 | stoned | i was in amarok |
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| 16:43.21 | stoned | and i p l ay a song and artist tab shows pakitan stuff in news |
| 16:43.21 | stoned | lol |
| 16:43.27 | stoned | i should refresh the page |
| 16:43.41 | fc | edlin yes ive looked at that one. theres also another book from the same publisher which is aimed to more advanced users, or vice versa. i think they have a series of books from that publisher that you can get. after youre done with the intermediate level, you get the next one, and so forth |
| 16:43.43 | stoned | Gorguts are the true genius of metal |
| 16:43.49 | EdLin | stoned: what happened, the tune was called "loony bin" and it brought up Bin Laden? |
| 16:43.52 | setog3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.53 | luke_ | jetscreamer -plow option hasnt sorted it. Its annoying because X works when I run startx, but not when I boot up. The flat screen monitor is out of sync. |
| 16:44.14 | fc | edlin, but right now the cfa is taking all of my idle time... :( www.cfainstitute.org |
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| 16:44.25 | EdLin | cfa? |
| 16:44.30 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 16:44.42 | jetscreamer | it works but it doesn't work?? |
| 16:44.45 | stoned | lo |
| 16:44.48 | stoned | hahaha |
| 16:44.59 | stoned | EdLin: no I guess I duno |
| 16:45.00 | fc | yeah, it stands for chartered financial analyst or something like that. its a lot of tedious, yet non-intellectually stimulating material |
| 16:45.20 | ben_goodger | EdLin? interesting name |
| 16:45.20 | ntbnnt | haha |
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| 16:45.32 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 16:45.43 | EdLin | fc: if you're into statistics you can get a lot of $$$ if you pass the insurence actuarial tests. |
| 16:45.45 | luke_ | jetscreamer basically X does not load up when I first turn the PC on,, but if go into a console and start it manually it does. gdm is not playing properly or something. |
| 16:45.49 | Ramattack | is fully support to ati mobility radeon on linux? |
| 16:45.57 | jetscreamer | luke_: do you have the VertRefresh & HorizSync set properly in xorg.conf ? |
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| 16:46.15 | stoned | install readedid |
| 16:46.15 | EdLin | ben_goodger: I used it for a Pro-YAM script that was patched using edlin. |
| 16:46.27 | stoned | then freq. will be auto detected |
| 16:46.30 | itchi | luke_: Reinstall or reconfigure gdm |
| 16:46.31 | jetscreamer | apt-get install read-edid mdetect |
| 16:46.36 | luke_ | jetscreamer I am finding it hard to find the HorizSync value, as the monitor was second hand. |
| 16:46.40 | stoned | or check Xorg.0.log or soemthing for modelines and just specify em yoruself |
| 16:46.40 | itchi | luke_: First try dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 16:46.48 | jetscreamer | luke_: did hwinfo --monitor not function? |
| 16:46.58 | hark | hwinfo --monitor , but it's not needed nowadays |
| 16:47.00 | fc | edlin i know, but im more into financial statement analysis.. once im done with the cfa (takes three years) ill try to write something with python applying the CFA stuff, it might be a good way to learn... did you take the actuarial tests? |
| 16:47.13 | stoned | hey the troll went away? |
| 16:47.15 | EdLin | fc: nope. |
| 16:47.16 | stoned | hah! word |
| 16:47.17 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 16:47.24 | ben_goodger | stoned: did it? goodo |
| 16:47.37 | jetscreamer | well, one did at least... |
| 16:47.42 | jetscreamer | muhahahhaa |
| 16:47.46 | ben_goodger | hrrm |
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| 16:48.01 | ben_goodger | I'm not a troll, just opinionated and blunt |
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| 16:48.07 | jetscreamer | !tell luke_ -about hwinfo |
| 16:48.09 | Ramattack | does anybody know something about this please? |
| 16:48.16 | ntbnnt | troll |
| 16:48.21 | luke_ | cool |
| 16:48.22 | luke_ | trying |
| 16:48.43 | schme | Ramattack: Did you try the ATI drivers? |
| 16:48.46 | ben_goodger | Ramattack: the ati mobility radeon is supported on linux, yes |
| 16:48.50 | jetscreamer | Ramattack: i 'think' so but i've only owned one ati |
| 16:49.01 | Ramattack | I entered on ati home |
| 16:49.06 | fc | edlin ah ok. theres a lot of hacking to be done in financial statement analysis too. its an acquired taste, but its interesting stuff. the main idea is to turn accounting information into useful economic information (accountants would rather be precisely wrong than approximately correct) |
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| 16:49.20 | Ramattack | but my laptop`has a IGP 340 M card and haven't seen it supported.... |
| 16:49.29 | Ramattack | wich drivers you I test with? |
| 16:49.30 | stoned | yeh see i don't do that crap |
| 16:49.33 | stoned | I am scared of numbers |
| 16:49.39 | schme | Ramattack: The open source radeon driver probably works. |
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| 16:49.41 | itchi | Ramattack: Complain to ATI and ask there?? |
| 16:49.57 | stoned | ati makes good cards |
| 16:49.57 | fc | i like numbers cause you can use them to prove anything :P |
| 16:49.58 | jetscreamer | Ramattack: http://www.google.com/linux?q=IGP+340+M&restrict=linux |
| 16:50.00 | itchi | Ramattack: Mail ATI and tell about it |
| 16:50.02 | stoned | they just dont' know how to make drivers |
| 16:50.13 | EdLin | fc: sounds interesting, except I tend to make careless mistakes with numbers. |
| 16:50.22 | hark | Ramattack: the IGP 340M is supported.. man radeon |
| 16:50.48 | Ramattack | is supported? wich driver supports it? |
| 16:50.54 | stoned | fglrx |
| 16:50.55 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 16:51.00 | hark | radeon |
| 16:51.01 | fc | edlin hah dont let that discourage you.. if you make a mistake you can always blame it on the "irrationality of markets" |
| 16:51.07 | EdLin | fc: my Dad would appreciate that - corporate tax lawyer turned law professor. |
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| 16:51.17 | luke_ | jetscreamer thanks, I am going to reboot and try this. hwinfo is my friend ;) unless you know a quick way of restarting gdm? |
| 16:51.25 | Ramattack | hard that was for me? |
| 16:51.30 | itchi | luke_: Wait |
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| 16:51.34 | stoned | hark: oss driver is "ati" or "radeon" |
| 16:51.36 | stoned | title! |
| 16:51.36 | itchi | luke_: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 16:51.43 | luke_ | okay thanks itchi |
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| 16:52.04 | hark | stoned: it's radeon actually, ati is just a wrapper driver |
| 16:52.21 | jetscreamer | subsets |
| 16:52.26 | hark | stoned: man ati, man radeon for more info |
| 16:52.31 | jetscreamer | sets & subsets |
| 16:52.47 | Ramattack | in man radeon appears |
| 16:52.52 | fc | edlin taxes where most of the inefficiencies (thus opportunities) come from, its interesting but like i said, extremely tedious. |
| 16:52.56 | Ramattack | but I wanted the driver for 3d acceleration |
| 16:53.13 | ben_goodger | Ramattack: use fglrx for 3d acceleration, on some cards |
| 16:53.36 | Ramattack | that's a driver or a command or... sorry... |
| 16:53.44 | EdLin | fc: "tedius" is where the work of programming pays off. :-) |
| 16:53.50 | hark | Ramattack: it does |
| 16:54.07 | luke_ | itchi jetscreamer I have set the correct Horiz and Vert values in the xorg.conf file and restarted gdm....but its still out of sync |
| 16:54.08 | fc | edlin yeah but programming is more engaging, more about problem solving too... |
| 16:54.10 | EdLin | tedious |
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| 16:54.31 | Ramattack | it's a conf option on xorg? |
| 16:54.44 | EdLin | programming is sort of like the feeling you get after you'd been hitting your head with a hammer and you stop. |
| 16:54.52 | jetscreamer | luke_: gdm likes to give error messages when x borks... paste it somewhere |
| 16:54.54 | ben_goodger | EdLin: hehee |
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| 16:54.59 | jetscreamer | !tell luke_ -about paste |
| 16:55.04 | itchi | luke_: With dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg have you set it the refresh rate to 60 ? |
| 16:55.31 | jetscreamer | luke_: grep EE /var/log/xorg.0.log also |
| 16:55.46 | jetscreamer | err |
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| 16:55.58 | schme | Ramattack: If you want 3d accelleration you probably want the fglrx driver. It seems that your chipset is not supported so you are stuck with the radeon driver. |
| 16:56.05 | luke_ | itchi it never asked me |
| 16:56.06 | jetscreamer | luke_: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log rather |
| 16:56.26 | jetscreamer | is it phigh or plow that give you the vert/horiz questions |
| 16:56.28 | hark | just get rid of the entered display subsection.. it'll be detected |
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| 16:56.47 | jetscreamer | comment it out he means and always make a backup before hand editing anything |
| 16:56.52 | hark | check /var/log/gdm/ and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:56.57 | schme | Ramattack: Maybe you can get 3d accell from it too. Try it. |
| 16:57.24 | VImtermute | bk |
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| 16:58.38 | stoned | jetscreamer: its neither |
| 16:58.44 | itchi | luke_: Are you sure, Select 'Medium' and not 'Advanced' on the screen question, if your not sure about the values |
| 16:58.48 | luke_ | jetscreamer plow does not ask freqs and phigh does not work at all. |
| 16:58.50 | stoned | jetscreamer: you get to chose between 3 options, basic, meium, advanced |
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| 16:59.03 | stoned | advanced provides a p lace to specify freq. |
| 16:59.03 | Ramattack | fglrx is xserver module? |
| 16:59.08 | stoned | no |
| 16:59.10 | stoned | its a kernel module |
| 16:59.16 | jetscreamer | i haven't seen that script in a year maybe |
| 16:59.56 | luke_ | itchi I never get a prompt asking that question, it just goes straight into configuring it, starting from autodetecting etc |
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| 17:00.09 | jetscreamer | well once or twice i did... i do remember not even seeing the adv/med/other once though |
| 17:00.14 | jetscreamer | right |
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| 17:00.16 | itchi | luke_: Not let him try to detect the monitor |
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| 17:00.27 | luke_ | jetscreamer no errors in log file |
| 17:00.35 | Ramattack | stoned that's for me? |
| 17:00.38 | luke_ | itchi ok trying |
| 17:00.45 | jetscreamer | luke_: that must be because X works... gdm hoses it somehow i guess? |
| 17:01.06 | jetscreamer | try the gdm error logfile like he said |
| 17:01.08 | dummy | remind me no fastwrites it told me the power wasent connected to my video card on reboot thought i did somthing real bad |
| 17:01.30 | luke_ | ok |
| 17:01.52 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 17:02.03 | jetscreamer | ahahah wtf was it... |
| 17:02.09 | jetscreamer | a gdm bork thing |
| 17:02.25 | stoned | Ramattack: yup |
| 17:02.33 | jetscreamer | 'dialog |
| 17:02.37 | luke_ | errors with xkbcomp? |
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| 17:02.43 | stoned | I saw people drinking ram piss in Beerfest |
| 17:02.46 | stoned | funny movie |
| 17:02.48 | jetscreamer | yeah dialog vs something else |
| 17:02.52 | luke_ | whats xkbcomp then? |
| 17:02.54 | stoned | ncurses |
| 17:02.55 | stoned | ? |
| 17:03.04 | Ramattack | so whose of those thing should I try first? enable that kernel module or install ati radeon drivers? |
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| 17:03.16 | Ramattack | all-in-wonder in drivers case?? |
| 17:03.17 | jetscreamer | alternatives to dialog borked out gdm or something? |
| 17:03.18 | stoned | Ramattack: what have you done so far |
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| 17:04.01 | Ramattack | nothing for the moment |
| 17:04.14 | stoned | Ramattack: you want 3d? |
| 17:04.26 | stoned | pick a driver, fglrx or opensourc? |
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| 17:04.44 | lampyris | hello |
| 17:04.47 | luke_ | any further ideas with this gdm/X issue I am experiencing. I am running out of ideas here :S |
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| 17:05.12 | Ramattack | yep |
| 17:05.14 | stoned | luke_: what is the problem? |
| 17:05.19 | Ramattack | wanted to install compiz |
| 17:05.20 | lampyris | how can i change time? from utc to local.... |
| 17:05.33 | itchi | luke_: Got you that screen where you can select your resulution and the refresh rate? |
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| 17:05.33 | dummy | fglrx didnt work as good as open source does for me anyway |
| 17:05.36 | luke_ | itchi Nope. |
| 17:05.39 | stoned | Ramattack: /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 17:05.48 | luke_ | I have gone through it and it never asks |
| 17:05.58 | luke_ | I am using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:06.00 | jetscreamer | luke_: see if you experience the same problem with xdm or kdm |
| 17:06.06 | luke_ | and also tried -plow |
| 17:06.15 | luke_ | jetscreamer ko |
| 17:06.16 | luke_ | ok |
| 17:06.17 | stoned | Ramattack: install module-assistant, run m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx |
| 17:06.20 | itchi | luke_: Near the end of the dpkg-reconfigure thing, he ask if he need to autodetect it, say no and then select the 'medium' option |
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| 17:06.34 | jetscreamer | luke_: try hand editing xorg.conf and adding the rates if you get desperate |
| 17:06.53 | jetscreamer | make a backup |
| 17:06.55 | stoned | I have half a mind to redo the scripts |
| 17:07.02 | stoned | include dual head config support in drxx |
| 17:07.12 | Ramattack | what does mean m-a and m-a-a-i? |
| 17:07.17 | jetscreamer | you're not done yet? |
| 17:07.19 | stoned | but its so easy to write an xorg |
| 17:07.27 | stoned | jetscreamer: heh my lazy ass hasn't even started yet |
| 17:07.34 | jetscreamer | Ramattack: i know what you mean. but you just type m-a ... |
| 17:07.40 | hark_ | lampyris: /etc/default/rcS.. set UTC to no |
| 17:07.41 | luke_ | itchi will have a look..... jetscreamer have editted the xorg.conf file already because I had no choice |
| 17:07.51 | stoned | Ramattack: m-a is a short for module-assistant |
| 17:08.04 | jetscreamer | !m-a |
| 17:08.04 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:08.09 | stoned | Ramattack: it assists you with modules. do what /msg dpkg fglrx says |
| 17:08.09 | lampyris | hark, tnx |
| 17:08.10 | itchi | luke_: weird |
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| 17:08.17 | Ramattack | !m-a-a-i |
| 17:08.26 | stoned | no |
| 17:08.27 | Ramattack | and m-a-a-i? |
| 17:08.39 | stoned | module-assistant auto-install |
| 17:08.48 | stoned | or m-a a-i |
| 17:08.52 | Ramattack | doesn't work /msg dpkg..... |
| 17:08.57 | stoned | in irc man |
| 17:08.59 | stoned | c'mon |
| 17:09.02 | stoned | !fglrx |
| 17:09.02 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for sarge/stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 17:09.04 | stoned | read this |
| 17:09.10 | stoned | do what it says |
| 17:09.15 | jetscreamer | luke_: what kind of vid card is it btw just for kicks, even though that shouldn't be an issue |
| 17:09.18 | luke_ | itchi no, every single mention of auto detect, I have said no....ie keyboard and graphic card....but no monitor mention |
| 17:09.24 | dummy | is there any way to find out if my drives are synching ? |
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| 17:09.31 | furiozo | hi all |
| 17:09.48 | itchi | luke_: Weird, i dunno then |
| 17:09.49 | luke_ | jetscreamer ati....remember this was working before I added the new monitor!. from a 19" CRT to a 19" LCD |
| 17:10.02 | stoned | luke_: look up your monitors vertical and horiz. refresh frequences in google |
| 17:10.11 | stoned | luke_: come back when you have that information |
| 17:10.20 | luke_ | stoned I have used hwinfo output. |
| 17:10.28 | Ramattack | stoned thanks a lot folk |
| 17:10.38 | luke_ | hwinfo is making a wacky guess? |
| 17:10.39 | itchi | luke_: LCD have mostly a refresh rate near the 60, like it only refresh the parts of your screen that move |
| 17:10.41 | furiozo | i forgot my root password. Howto i get password. I Using grub loader |
| 17:10.45 | stoned | oh |
| 17:10.48 | stoned | its an lcd? |
| 17:10.54 | abrotman | !tell furiozo about ifrp |
| 17:11.05 | abrotman | stoned: luckily you don't get to make that call :) |
| 17:11.05 | jetscreamer | !.... nm die abrotmani forgot root's password |
| 17:11.05 | Ramattack | of course stoned and all... |
| 17:11.09 | Ramattack | thanks a lot guis |
| 17:11.12 | Ramattack | guys |
| 17:11.18 | stoned | abrotman: im confused |
| 17:11.29 | stoned | abrotman: I just don't deal with em, too expensive |
| 17:11.32 | abrotman | stoned: i can use /lastlog .. i have extensive training :) |
| 17:11.46 | stoned | abrotman: what call? |
| 17:11.57 | furiozo | 10x |
| 17:12.04 | furiozo | !ty abrotman |
| 17:12.14 | Rydekull | :D |
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| 17:12.30 | hengst | I found a great article on how everybody can use Linux even if they have to use windows programs such as games: http://www.bizz2web.com/web/mambo/content/view/25/27/ |
| 17:12.41 | hark_ | luke_: try commenting out the refresh rates part and display subsections in your xorg.conf. See if it can autodetect it.. |
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| 17:13.00 | stoned | umm |
| 17:13.05 | luke_ | hark_ okay |
| 17:13.14 | stoned | almost everyone here already uses linux |
| 17:13.20 | jetscreamer | what is linux? |
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| 17:13.31 | hengst | that is great! |
| 17:13.41 | stoned | it is what helps oss software communicate with the hardware |
| 17:13.48 | stoned | also known as the kernel |
| 17:13.50 | stoned | The Kernel |
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| 17:13.52 | jetscreamer | idon't get it |
| 17:13.57 | hengst | but most people just use windows, and they should use linux, right? |
| 17:14.02 | Rydekull | THE Kernel |
| 17:14.02 | abrotman | helps ? |
| 17:14.10 | jetscreamer | they should use whatever they want |
| 17:14.11 | stoned | well |
| 17:14.11 | User_FriendlY | hengst: yes!!! |
| 17:14.14 | jetscreamer | that's the point |
| 17:14.16 | stoned | it doesn't help it just does it all |
| 17:14.27 | stoned | not all is oss, some stuff you have to pay for |
| 17:14.31 | hengst | show them the page! |
| 17:14.31 | jetscreamer | one of the |
| 17:14.43 | hengst | NO reason to use WIndows no more! |
| 17:14.49 | jetscreamer | this page? mapping.hfds.com |
| 17:14.50 | luke_ | hark_ it never asked any questions still |
| 17:14.51 | hengst | Just read the article. |
| 17:14.51 | stoned | but two negatives? |
| 17:14.52 | Rydekull | hengst: we rather show them www.debian.org or www.goodbye-windows.com |
| 17:15.11 | samith | #flood |
| 17:15.13 | Rydekull | hengst: if that is ok with you? |
| 17:15.18 | hark_ | luke_: no, don't reconfigure.. just comment it out and start X |
| 17:15.27 | stoned | you know the kernel auto detection in debian.exe is bad |
| 17:15.29 | stoned | very bad |
| 17:15.29 | luke_ | hark_ okie dokie |
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| 17:15.30 | jetscreamer | startx works for him hark |
| 17:15.36 | jetscreamer | gdm doesn't |
| 17:15.38 | luke_ | yea |
| 17:15.41 | hengst | Rydekull: that is fine with me as long as it is open source software! |
| 17:15.44 | luke_ | was about to say that |
| 17:15.47 | Rydekull | hengst: thanks |
| 17:15.47 | stoned | it wants me to always install amd64 |
| 17:15.49 | stoned | but i don't wanna |
| 17:15.52 | hark_ | oh, and /var/log/gdm is no help? |
| 17:15.52 | abrotman | gdm has an error log |
| 17:15.59 | samith | can debian install on intel core 2 duo |
| 17:16.02 | samith | ?? |
| 17:16.03 | luke_ | hark_ not really.... |
| 17:16.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:16.05 | stoned | abrotman: ahh I get it |
| 17:16.10 | hengst | Rydekull: do they switch to linux after seeing your website? |
| 17:16.13 | stoned | abrotman: about you not having ops |
| 17:16.18 | stoned | yeh, I can grep too |
| 17:16.25 | hengst | Rydekull: do they switch to Debian after seeing your website? |
| 17:16.25 | jetscreamer | !say give abrotman ops!!! |
| 17:16.25 | dpkg | give abrotman ops!!! |
| 17:16.26 | abrotman | and i don't care who does .. as long as someone does |
| 17:16.33 | abrotman | and your feeding the troll didn't help |
| 17:16.34 | Rydekull | hengst: saying it once is enough |
| 17:16.35 | luke_ | hark_ tell a lie... |
| 17:16.44 | luke_ | FreeFontPath problem |
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| 17:17.00 | stoned | abrotman: sure you don't care |
| 17:17.01 | hengst | Rydekull: OK I had 5 people switch to linux this year! |
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| 17:17.23 | hengst | Rydekull: You know why this is so so so so important? |
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| 17:17.26 | jetscreamer | hengst: good. but... you're preaching to the choir |
| 17:17.27 | stoned | hengst: you're doing good work! |
| 17:17.31 | luke_ | FPE: "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1;fixing |
| 17:17.36 | stoned | jetscreamer: umm |
| 17:17.39 | abrotman | stoned: what makes you think i honestly care ? |
| 17:17.43 | jetscreamer | luke_: that is an ignorable error |
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| 17:17.51 | stoned | jetscreamer: singing to the choir or preaching to the saved |
| 17:17.55 | stoned | i think |
| 17:17.55 | jetscreamer | not your problem imo |
| 17:18.10 | hengst | jetscreamer: How many people did you switch to Linux this year? |
| 17:18.10 | stoned | abrotman: I don't care as long as you don't do the bullshit you do i -ot |
| 17:18.10 | jetscreamer | preaching to the choir |
| 17:18.13 | stoned | in* |
| 17:18.28 | jetscreamer | hengst: counting the 75year old grandmother? i forget |
| 17:18.32 | abrotman | stoned: you left on your own .. don't blame me |
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| 17:19.10 | stoned | abrotman: cuz you obviously know my life story |
| 17:19.15 | stoned | I mean.. whatever |
| 17:19.16 | luke_ | jetscreamer how do I make kdm load up instead of gdm? |
| 17:19.37 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kdm or dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 17:19.43 | luke_ | ok |
| 17:19.45 | stoned | you ban people who disagree with you, you're a child |
| 17:19.50 | jetscreamer | if you already have it installed reconfigure |
| 17:20.09 | stoned | thats is why I don't think.. but of course like you said, its not my call |
| 17:20.17 | hengst | You guys, plz wake up: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html |
| 17:20.22 | stoned | so whats the point? no point. lets discuss debian |
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| 17:20.43 | hengst | sweet dreams! |
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| 17:20.48 | abrotman | stoned: i didn't ban anyone .. |
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| 17:20.57 | abrotman | you left on your own .. |
| 17:21.13 | stoned | yeh well all know what happened :) |
| 17:21.29 | stoned | we* |
| 17:21.33 | abrotman | we do? |
| 17:21.37 | jetscreamer | you young-uns need to stop that bickering! |
| 17:21.38 | abrotman | you left on your own .. not my problem .. |
| 17:21.43 | jetscreamer | stfu! |
| 17:22.03 | stoned | abrotman: you're obviously tried very hard to convince people of that |
| 17:22.04 | abrotman | and there are logs to back it up |
| 17:22.07 | stoned | does it matter? |
| 17:22.12 | abrotman | it's the truth |
| 17:22.42 | luke_ | lol |
| 17:23.00 | stoned | abrotman: get this through you thick fucking skull. _+ I DONT CARE +_ |
| 17:23.10 | jetscreamer | can't tell |
| 17:23.16 | abrotman | you do .. or you wouldn't keep bringing it up |
| 17:23.28 | abrotman | nice try though |
| 17:23.31 | Rydekull | !ot |
| 17:23.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 17:23.33 | Rydekull | :) |
| 17:23.42 | luke_ | anyways....my problem here....any ideas ....changing the subject |
| 17:23.43 | stoned | abrotman: hey whatever makes you feel better |
| 17:23.51 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 17:23.53 | stoned | have at it |
| 17:23.53 | Rydekull | luke_: whats your problem? |
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| 17:23.54 | jelly-home | stoned, abrotman: can you two stop bringing this up, please |
| 17:23.59 | abrotman | i didn't! |
| 17:24.01 | abrotman | he started it! |
| 17:24.04 | stoned | no you did |
| 17:24.07 | Rydekull | then just stop it :) |
| 17:24.08 | luke_ | lmfao |
| 17:24.11 | abrotman | scroll back .. |
| 17:24.11 | jetscreamer | did kdm not work either? |
| 17:24.11 | stoned | did i talk to you about this? |
| 17:24.12 | stoned | no |
| 17:24.16 | stoned | I was talking to soemone else |
| 17:24.17 | jelly-home | ya, whatever, just stfu about it |
| 17:24.18 | abrotman | moron |
| 17:24.29 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/gdm stop && /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 17:24.34 | stoned | never once did I address you to begin with, you cme in and started talking about how shit isn't my call or whatever the fuck |
| 17:24.41 | luke_ | jetscreamer just stopping gdm and restarting kdm...fingers crossed. |
| 17:24.44 | jetscreamer | after you set it to be default-display-manager |
| 17:24.46 | abrotman | and he's still going |
| 17:25.04 | stoned | see? |
| 17:25.14 | Rydekull | Be the bigger man, either of you. Just stop? :) |
| 17:25.14 | jelly-home | stoned: just drop it both of you, kk |
| 17:25.21 | stoned | ok |
| 17:25.22 | luke_ | jetscreamer not starting because its not the default manager? |
| 17:25.29 | luke_ | oops |
| 17:25.34 | jetscreamer | luke_: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 17:25.34 | stoned | abrotman: btw, you still suck at the guitar |
| 17:25.35 | luke_ | just read above |
| 17:25.39 | abrotman | moron |
| 17:25.49 | jetscreamer | you both suck compared to jimi |
| 17:25.51 | jetscreamer | or me |
| 17:25.56 | jetscreamer | so stfu |
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| 17:26.19 | luke_ | jetscreamer kdm restart didnt do anything, restart PC? |
| 17:26.27 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/gdm stop && /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 17:26.43 | jetscreamer | paste it |
| 17:26.47 | stoned | abrotman: me bieng amoron doesn't change the fact that you suck |
| 17:26.48 | stoned | lol |
| 17:26.49 | jetscreamer | as root though |
| 17:26.54 | jelly-home | stoned: dude |
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| 17:27.10 | stoned | ahh yeh |
| 17:27.17 | stoned | so beer is nice |
| 17:27.32 | stoned | its all cold and refreshing and stuff |
| 17:27.35 | luke_ | jetscreamer nothing happens....it says its starting and thats it |
| 17:27.43 | jetscreamer | abrotman: stoned is jonsin, i guess you have to make allowances, his dealer isn't awake yet |
| 17:27.46 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 17:27.51 | stoned | heh |
| 17:27.57 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. i don't |
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| 17:28.17 | ribasushi | hi |
| 17:28.23 | luke_ | rebooting...bbias |
| 17:28.31 | ribasushi | is it safe to write an init script (rcS level) in perl? |
| 17:28.32 | jetscreamer | luke_: not sure then... i hate to say reboot... i know what i should say though |
| 17:28.36 | dummy | what is super key? |
| 17:28.37 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 17:28.37 | dpkg | methinks fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 17:28.40 | jetscreamer | do that |
| 17:28.44 | stoned | dummy: winkey |
| 17:28.50 | stoned | dummy: apple key |
| 17:28.51 | ribasushi | I mean is perl always available at stage 41 (neteorking) or I might have some problems? |
| 17:28.55 | stoned | dummy: command key |
| 17:29.00 | jetscreamer | or dont |
| 17:29.01 | stoned | dummy: aka superkey |
| 17:29.12 | Rydekull | stoned: usually the Windows key, if you have it. |
| 17:29.14 | dummy | ty |
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| 17:29.17 | Rydekull | baa |
| 17:29.22 | Rydekull | stoned: that wasnt to you, sorry :P |
| 17:29.24 | stoned | Rydekull: well its open apple key on apple keyboards |
| 17:29.36 | stoned | winkey on pc keyboards |
| 17:29.45 | Rydekull | But you dont always have one at all either :) |
| 17:29.50 | Rydekull | Like on my IBM X40 :) |
| 17:29.52 | jetscreamer | make that option 1 |
| 17:29.56 | jetscreamer | not 2 dammit |
| 17:30.15 | jetscreamer | how do i change the 2 to a 1 in that factoid... what's the syntax |
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| 17:30.46 | Rydekull | jetscreamer: you can just copy the line and say "factoid is <changed line>" |
| 17:31.01 | Rydekull | jetscreamer: err <factoid> |
| 17:31.21 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 17:31.21 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 1 and hit enter a lot |
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| 17:32.30 | abrotman | shouldn't they just run aptitude ? :) |
| 17:32.57 | Rydekull | since dselect is hell upgraded twice, i'd love to see that |
| 17:33.33 | jetscreamer | i don't use aptitude so i wouldn't know how to give instructions |
| 17:33.44 | jetscreamer | why use the inferior tool? |
| 17:33.58 | jetscreamer | sure the selection menu is long |
| 17:34.14 | Rydekull | why? |
| 17:34.21 | Rydekull | "since dselect is hell upgraded twice" |
| 17:34.23 | Rydekull | :) |
| 17:34.24 | ribasushi | jetscreamer: what do you use? |
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| 17:35.12 | earthian | hello, is it possible to disconnect xmms' volume control from PCM? Now i cant play an old good game and at the same time silently listen to my music... now i get them both silenced or vice versa.. and i want to make silent music and loud game. help? |
| 17:35.26 | jetscreamer | dselect mostly, but i don't need to select packages, i have a list of what i like... and new packages are at the top of the list and not hard to see |
| 17:35.28 | abrotman | earthian: xmms has many output plugins |
| 17:35.42 | stoned | xmms blows donkey balls |
| 17:35.44 | jetscreamer | earthian: investigate jack |
| 17:35.49 | jetscreamer | jack rocks |
| 17:35.58 | earthian | jetscreamer, thanks |
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| 17:36.15 | jetscreamer | xmms has a jack output plugin also |
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| 17:36.23 | abrotman | earthian: he means jackd .. not jack |
| 17:36.30 | jetscreamer | yeah what he said |
| 17:36.38 | Rydekull | sounds more logical :P |
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| 17:37.26 | g333k_laptop | hi, is there any tool to convert a Ogg data, Theora video to avi or mpg ? |
| 17:37.36 | mrec | any idea why telnet localhost 5555 shows up the ssh header but ssh localhost -p 5555 -vvv doesn't show up anything else than "socket: Permission denied" |
| 17:37.37 | earthian | in general i want to be able to play internet radio and mp3/wav/ogg in one place and get a small and simple cotrol of it.. a plugin to make it sit in my taskbar or anywhere in panel is a very big advantage |
| 17:37.44 | jetscreamer | mencoder g333k_laptop |
| 17:37.48 | jetscreamer | ffmpeg |
| 17:37.48 | abrotman | g333k_laptop: but why? |
| 17:38.06 | jetscreamer | !tell g333k_laptop -about marillat |
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| 17:38.49 | DocPlatypus | g333k_laptop: it depends on exactly which codec in AVI, as well. AVI is just a container |
| 17:38.58 | DocPlatypus | it is not a codec in and of itself |
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| 17:39.50 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, well I want to send a video to my micrososft friend users and I dont know is they video player could play the ogg video |
| 17:40.09 | abrotman | g333k_laptop: there's a plugin for WMP to play theora |
| 17:40.14 | jetscreamer | divx |
| 17:40.15 | DocPlatypus | g333k_laptop: tell them to install the codecs from illiminable.com |
| 17:40.20 | cusco | mencoder |
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| 17:40.29 | jetscreamer | xvid i meant |
| 17:40.30 | g333k_laptop | DocPlatypus, nice! |
| 17:40.30 | DocPlatypus | and/or install VLC and use that |
| 17:40.39 | abrotman | !theora |
| 17:40.39 | dpkg | from memory, theora is an open video codec being developed by the Xiph.org Foundation as part of their Ogg project. http://theora.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora |
| 17:40.44 | kimitaka | if you make a mistake in dselect and its going to make a bunch of changes you don't want, how do you reset so that it stops prompting for those changes when you go back into dselect every time |
| 17:40.51 | DocPlatypus | now, this will make your blood boil: Microsoft had the chance to include them in Windows Vista and blew it. |
| 17:40.57 | abrotman | stop using dselect! |
| 17:41.14 | abrotman | DocPlatypus: can it play ogg vorbis ? |
| 17:41.30 | DocPlatypus | abrotman: yes, the audio track to most Theora videos is Vorbis |
| 17:41.35 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 17:42.15 | jetscreamer | as it says... DON'T SELECT ANYTHING!!! |
| 17:42.23 | jetscreamer | JUST HIT ENTER!!! |
| 17:42.37 | DocPlatypus | you can also use Speex and FLAC as audio codecs but Speex only makes sense if you're encoding to that format anyway because of the low latency |
| 17:42.38 | jetscreamer | i shoulda made that caps i guess |
| 17:43.02 | DocPlatypus | and FLAC is just huge |
| 17:43.03 | earthian | your guess is right :P |
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| 17:44.20 | jetscreamer | ok i popped some caps in the factoid |
| 17:44.38 | Rydekull | dselect is evil, dont use it! |
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| 17:44.42 | Rydekull | !dselect vs aptitude |
| 17:45.03 | jetscreamer | !dselect vs craptitude |
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| 17:45.22 | jetscreamer | !literal dselect vs aptitude |
| 17:45.22 | dpkg | "dselect vs aptitude" is "<action> declares (dselect|aptitude) the winner!" |
| 17:45.48 | DocPlatypus | craptitude? |
| 17:45.49 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:45.49 | zamuro | !start distro war |
| 17:45.50 | DocPlatypus | I like aptitude more than I ever liked dselect |
| 17:45.51 | Rydekull | jetscreamer: see? It was given a chance to win, but it didnt |
| 17:46.06 | jetscreamer | left over from when it first came out and i used --with-suggests --with-recommends |
| 17:46.07 | zamuro | dpkg: start distro war |
| 17:46.07 | DocPlatypus | I wish synaptic was more like aptitude |
| 17:46.18 | jetscreamer | big ooopsie |
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| 17:46.30 | abrotman | need an a |
| 17:46.36 | jetscreamer | it wound up installing * i think |
| 17:47.01 | Rydekull | zamuro: start a distro war :) |
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| 17:47.30 | Rydekull | DocPlatypus: I love the "Get archives bla bla script"-thingie under the file menu in synaptic |
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| 17:49.29 | DocPlatypus | it's "Generate package download script" and yes I can see how it is handy |
| 17:49.47 | Rydekull | Yeah, that's what it is :P |
| 17:49.52 | Rydekull | Funny how I use it at work often and dont remember what it says :D |
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| 17:55.12 | amphi | !qotd0 |
| 17:55.12 | dpkg | well, qotd170 is * Gnurdux touchtypes with 2 fingers, so sometimes he gets off |
| 17:56.03 | capiira | anyone here is using kde with dual display ? |
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| 17:57.01 | dummy | i use a total of six fingers when i type |
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| 17:58.00 | cusco | let me try and see mine |
| 17:58.02 | amphi | dummy: including thumbs? ;) |
| 17:58.03 | cusco | I use 7 |
| 17:58.08 | cusco | hihi |
| 17:58.15 | dummy | prett much |
| 17:58.19 | schme | 10 + two footpedals. |
| 17:58.25 | amphi | cusco: on each hand? |
| 17:59.40 | cusco | lol |
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| 18:00.39 | xalbertox | Hi, i sthere in debian a package like gnome-desktop-environment, not gnome-core neither all gnome for kde? |
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| 18:00.59 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 18:00.59 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 18:01.00 | xalbertox | I only see kdebase like gnomecore and kde like gnome but not something like gnome-desktop-environment |
| 18:01.13 | abrotman | apparently kde-core |
| 18:01.17 | stoned | its kde |
| 18:01.21 | stoned | aptitutde install kde |
| 18:01.31 | stoned | there is no kde-desktop-env package |
| 18:01.37 | xalbertox | mmm |
| 18:01.39 | stoned | kde will install the full kde |
| 18:01.46 | abrotman | i think he implied he didn't want the whole thing |
| 18:01.47 | xalbertox | ngome-desltop-environment is most usable gnome soft |
| 18:01.52 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 18:01.52 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 18:01.53 | xalbertox | gnome is too much and kde maybe the same? |
| 18:01.55 | shadok | i suggest kdebase, then add what you need |
| 18:02.02 | stoned | xalbertox: you want minimal kde or full kde? |
| 18:02.08 | xalbertox | shadok: Is what I am doing ok |
| 18:02.15 | shadok | :) |
| 18:02.16 | xalbertox | stoned: I want soft I will use |
| 18:02.16 | xalbertox | :) |
| 18:02.18 | abrotman | xalbertox: the middle of the road is kde-core |
| 18:02.22 | xalbertox | like gnome desk environment |
| 18:02.25 | xalbertox | iusable soft |
| 18:02.28 | xalbertox | ok |
| 18:02.40 | Rydekull | !fluxbox |
| 18:02.40 | dpkg | i heard fluxbox is a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information. |
| 18:02.46 | shadok | i can't see the point in having 2GB of apps i will not use |
| 18:02.49 | Rydekull | !xfce |
| 18:02.49 | dpkg | xfce is, like, a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Sarge : apt-get install xfce4 Woody : apt-get install xfce |
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| 18:03.03 | abrotman | shadok: you're just not a true kde fan :) |
| 18:03.06 | amphi | !openbox |
| 18:03.06 | dpkg | well, openbox is blackbox, but leeter. http://www.openbox.org, or better than fluxbox. |
| 18:03.13 | shadok | amphi: yes i'am :) |
| 18:03.14 | assasukasse | when i run a program with nice what does it change? |
| 18:03.14 | Rydekull | I'd suggest xfce4 if kde and gnome is too much |
| 18:03.23 | amphi | shadok: ETAB |
| 18:03.28 | shadok | amphi: but i'm a gentoo user too :p |
| 18:03.35 | Rydekull | !tepp assasukasse about nice |
| 18:03.39 | abrotman | amphi: and again! |
| 18:03.45 | amphi | !penixstrike shadok |
| 18:03.45 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking shadok to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 18:03.55 | assasukasse | !tell about nice |
| 18:04.02 | Rydekull | oops :D |
| 18:04.03 | abrotman | assasukasse: man nice |
| 18:04.05 | shadok | hey i'm using debian for a day now :D |
| 18:04.11 | Rydekull | !tell assasukasse about nice |
| 18:04.17 | shadok | ...in a vm.. to play with snort :p |
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| 18:04.27 | dvs | !beer Shadok |
| 18:04.39 | shadok | but i must admit the installer is really fast |
| 18:04.46 | amphi | 'optimator' is such a great name for a beer |
| 18:04.52 | xalbertox | is there something like ximian evolution in kde? |
| 18:04.52 | shadok | haha |
| 18:05.01 | dvs | and this is a problem? |
| 18:05.11 | xalbertox | kmail dont have address book etc |
| 18:05.14 | assasukasse | thanks alot, but what is the main use: example, i need to run a program that takes loong time for an analysis and is very resource consuming, i suppose i should launch with nice, so that it doesn't hang too much my cpu? |
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| 18:05.50 | shadok | i installed debian in 15min yesterday, that is really lovely |
| 18:06.02 | abrotman | assasukasse: you can renice something after it starts |
| 18:06.02 | loca|host | howto disable this ssh welcome message : "Last login: Fri Mar 2 15:46:23 2007 from 192.168.192.28" |
| 18:06.31 | abrotman | shadok: you weren't disappointed ? |
| 18:06.33 | shadok | xalbertox: kmail + kaddressbook |
| 18:06.34 | dvs | shadok: Debian 4.0? |
| 18:06.41 | shadok | abrotman: a little bit :) |
| 18:06.42 | dvs | heh |
| 18:06.58 | shadok | dvs: i installed sarge and dist-upgraded after to etch |
| 18:07.02 | abrotman | shadok: did you get X installed ? |
| 18:07.05 | assasukasse | abrotman: renicing it means that it will hog less resources? or it will have a lower priority? i prefer lower priority so that when cpu is not in use it will do a good job |
| 18:07.12 | abrotman | shadok: if you've got free time .. you could try enigma :) |
| 18:07.15 | shadok | no, i don't need it for what i have to do abrotman |
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| 18:07.22 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind then |
| 18:07.28 | dvs | Is etch rc2 released yet? ;-) |
| 18:07.30 | shadok | abrotman: the puzzle game ? |
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| 18:07.33 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 18:07.40 | abrotman | assasukasse: if you tell it to .. yes |
| 18:07.52 | shadok | never tried it but i will, maybe not on debian tho |
| 18:07.56 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 18:08.08 | piper69 | good morning all i |
| 18:09.02 | assasukasse | abrotman: so if i launch with nice ./prog it will adjust itself? or i have to add like nice -n 1 ./prog |
| 18:09.19 | abrotman | assasukasse: no .. you have to give it a value if you want it other than the default |
| 18:09.26 | abrotman | or renice it after it starts |
| 18:09.45 | loca|host | howto disable this ssh welcome message : "Last login: Fri Mar 2 15:46:23 2007 from 192.168.192.28" |
| 18:09.54 | abrotman | i'm not sure you can |
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| 18:10.07 | piper69 | i finally got my Netgear MA401 to work(thank to Gena) when i do cardctl ident i get product info: "NETGEAR MA401RA Wireless PC", "Card", "ISL37300P", "Eval-RevA" manfid: 0x000b, 0x7300 function: 6 (network) |
| 18:10.24 | abrotman | loca|host: man sshd_config .. tells you how |
| 18:10.27 | assasukasse | abrotman: but nice gives priority among other niced programs or priority in general, example, if i am running this prog and eats 100% cpu i can't do much, but if it eats 100% when i am not here and gives out something while i am here is perfect |
| 18:10.45 | abrotman | assasukasse: that's the idea |
| 18:10.55 | piper69 | and i see it in iwconfig and eth2 |
| 18:11.19 | abrotman | so waht's wrong with that ? |
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| 18:11.23 | assasukasse | abrotman: so i should let it run w/o nice when i am not here and renice it when i am here, or nice senses it itself when there are other proggies in use |
| 18:11.48 | piper69 | how can i assign my network essid and wep key to eth2 |
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| 18:12.18 | abrotman | assasukasse: no .. just renice it now .. set it to 11 .. which is just a bit less than normal .. and it should do what you're looking for |
| 18:12.31 | assasukasse | thanks! |
| 18:12.33 | amphi | assasukasse: if it's niced to -19, it'll use pretty much all the cpu when the cpu is idle, and reduce to a couple of % when something else wants cpu |
| 18:12.35 | abrotman | piper69: man 5 interfaces .. or use your GUI manager network thingie |
| 18:12.46 | amphi | assasukasse: er, 19 |
| 18:12.49 | abrotman | amphi: -19 is highest priority :) |
| 18:12.53 | abrotman | erm .. -20 |
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| 18:12.55 | assasukasse | abrotman: default is 10 no? so i can renice to 11 or 12 |
| 18:12.56 | amphi | heh |
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| 18:13.31 | abrotman | assasukasse: renice to 11 .. that will give it lower priority so things that are active go first .. and when you're AFK .. there shouldn't be much going on so it should run more often |
| 18:13.46 | piper69 | abrotman: my thingie sees the card but when i click on sacn for network it say none |
| 18:14.03 | abrotman | sacn ? |
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| 18:14.44 | abrotman | wireless-essid <youre essid> |
| 18:15.19 | piper69 | and what about the wep |
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| 18:15.31 | amphi | wep is cwep |
| 18:15.44 | piper69 | will it be wireless-WEP <my wep key> |
| 18:16.02 | amphi | piper69: wireless-key I believe |
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| 18:17.37 | assasukasse | abrotman: i did thanks, let's see how it goes |
| 18:17.41 | abrotman | ok |
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| 18:18.48 | peppe | assasukasse: default nice value is "0", running nice program [args] without specifying nice value actually means "run program [program] with nice 10" |
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| 18:19.07 | assasukasse | peppe what language do u speak |
| 18:19.49 | abrotman | peppe: default is 10 |
| 18:20.20 | peppe | assasukasse: "peppish". it's my own language. it's an object-oriented pure functional language with strict evaluation and dynamic typing |
| 18:20.25 | madd_matt | I want to install ivtv drivers. Do I want ivtv-utils or ivtv-firmware? The two packages conflict, but I *think* I need both. |
| 18:20.36 | peppe | abrotman: default ... what? |
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| 18:20.50 | EdLin | !u |
| 18:20.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:21.00 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.00 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:22.04 | dummy | is 24 the highest depth that should be in xorg.conf? |
| 18:22.13 | abrotman | depends on your card |
| 18:22.24 | peppe | abrotman: oh, sorry :-) my "default nice value is 0" meant "the nice value of an ordinary program is 0" |
| 18:22.38 | dummy | so i can add 32? |
| 18:23.00 | abrotman | if your card can do it |
| 18:23.05 | EdLin | peppe: ordinary programs can renice themseves. |
| 18:23.19 | abrotman | dummy: i doubt it will get rid of your BadPixel error |
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| 18:24.29 | peppe | EdLin: yes, and actually their starting nice value is thier parent's one (so it isn't necessarily 0) ... I know that |
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| 18:25.03 | EdLin | peppe: yes. |
| 18:25.29 | EdLin | peppe: so the "ordinary program" is misleading, plenty of ordinary programs don't run as the 0 nice level. |
| 18:25.50 | AdvHertz | anyone have installed succefully the ENE Technology card reader? |
| 18:25.51 | peppe | EdLin: hm... an ordinary program of an ordinary user ;-P |
| 18:26.30 | rpc | hm can winamp run in console? |
| 18:26.37 | rpc | or do i need X for it to work? |
| 18:26.42 | EdLin | rpc: you mean xmms? |
| 18:27.07 | rpc | EdLin hmm honestly i'm not sure.. i need something to stream audio so i can redirect that to shoutcast |
| 18:27.13 | ewanm89 | rpc: *Win*amp is a windows program! |
| 18:27.14 | rpc | and i don't want to use X |
| 18:27.15 | EdLin | rpc: it can be controlled at console. Otherwise w/o X, use a non-X program. |
| 18:27.29 | rpc | ewanm89 yes and it sucks too :) |
| 18:27.31 | peppe | rpc: you can use a CLI program... mpg321? mplayer? |
| 18:27.36 | rpc | peppe hmm |
| 18:27.50 | rpc | but how would i send the stream to shoutcast then? |
| 18:28.04 | EdLin | rpc: a sound server. Jack or something else that sucks. |
| 18:28.06 | peppe | rpc: oh sorry, you do want to send a stream... |
| 18:28.07 | rpc | trying to understand how it works, possibly would do some perl code |
| 18:28.22 | rpc | EdLin hm |
| 18:28.48 | EdLin | rpc: hmm, I'll take that back. - you need it to be streaming mp3? There's some shoutcast servers for *nix I'm sure. |
| 18:28.59 | rpc | i'm using one right now |
| 18:29.16 | peppe | rpc: something like darkice? |
| 18:29.20 | rpc | but what i'm trying to do is an autopilot for it |
| 18:29.37 | rpc | so far i'm just feeding the sc server with my winamp remotely |
| 18:29.51 | rpc | peppe hm reading up |
| 18:30.18 | AdvHertz | all: someone know how to let to works the ENE card reader in debian |
| 18:30.23 | rpc | oh damn that looks good |
| 18:30.24 | EdLin | rpc: save a playlist and let it read the playlist I bet would work. |
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| 18:30.36 | rpc | EdLin hmm... |
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| 18:30.53 | ewanm89 | rpc: How can winamp require X, It requires Win32! |
| 18:30.56 | peppe | rpc: there's some command line tool, however, to stream data to a shoutcast server, try apt-cache search shoutcast, try looking on freshmeat... |
| 18:31.28 | rpc | peppe thank you very much |
| 18:31.51 | rpc | ewanm89 yes... i just thought there was one for linux as i found a perl lib that allows controlling winamp... |
| 18:31.55 | EdLin | rpc: if you *do* run X, there's a plugin for xmms I just spotted. |
| 18:32.11 | rpc | EdLin hm honestly i don't |
| 18:32.15 | peppe | rpc: consider that many programs are compiled without mp3 support for patent reasons, hence they work only with icecast servers |
| 18:32.17 | EdLin | rpc: OK |
| 18:32.38 | rpc | right, but i'm just looking at darkice |
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| 18:33.18 | peppe | rpc: e.g. it's plenty of tools for streaming a playlist to an icecast server (ices2, etc.); dunno for shoutcast servers |
| 18:33.32 | wols | do I need to change anything in debian's sshd config to make it port forward? |
| 18:33.38 | capiira | let's see if everything will go well |
| 18:33.43 | wols | I use ssh -v -l klingens -L 8080:192.168.2.1:80 80.xx.xx.xx cat - to forward my localhost:8080 to a machine I have ssh access to and from that to another machine inside the remote LAN on port 80 where I don't have any access |
| 18:33.58 | wols | the machine in the other lan being 192.168.2.1 |
| 18:34.02 | jeffno | Quick question: Is it standard behavior for Debian to blank my screen after 15 minutes, and if so, how do I stop it? |
| 18:34.15 | peppe | wols: no, you don't |
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| 18:34.54 | wols | peppe: no I don't change anything or no, that forwarding line is total crap? |
| 18:35.12 | rpc | peppe, EdLin: thank you again - reading up on those tools now |
| 18:35.24 | Anti_Init | WINE: i have no fonts, some in winecfg, but none in apps! help. Source install |
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| 18:36.33 | peppe | wols: it looks good ... what happens when you connect to localhost:8080? ssh gives you some info? do you see with netstat the connection to 192.168.2.1:80 on the 80.xx.xx.xx host? |
| 18:36.37 | AdvHertz | Hi all, anybody know how to enable the ene mmc card reader? |
| 18:36.40 | Anti_Init | WINE: i have no fonts, some in winecfg, but none in apps! help. Source install |
| 18:37.28 | peppe | Anti_Init: please, don't spam. since it's a source install, try asking on #winehq , or try removing it and aptitude install wine |
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| 18:37.43 | Anti_Init | thanks for the pointer |
| 18:38.22 | wols | peppe: 192.168.2.1:80 is a consumer router |
| 18:38.29 | wols | so it is up |
| 18:38.47 | wols | but I need a jscript enabled webbrowser but only have a ssh console... |
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| 18:39.50 | abrotman | w3m ? |
| 18:39.57 | peppe | wols: that's ok, a good idea and a good way to do it. but exactly what doesn't work? |
| 18:40.31 | wols | peppe: works. I'm a dumbass and ssh too secure |
| 18:40.48 | wols | it my endpoint it only listens on 127.0.0.1. can I make it listen on 0.0.0.0? |
| 18:41.49 | wols | the ssh command above opens a port on 127.0.0.1:8080. can I make it open one on 0.0.0.0:8080? |
| 18:42.01 | peppe | wols: -L 0.0.0.0:8080:1.2.3.4:80 |
| 18:42.09 | wols | thank you! |
| 18:42.52 | wols | firefox shitty consumer router config goodness at last :) |
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| 18:43.03 | bzed | does anybody have a link avaiable I can slap a rpm fetishist around his ears? like.. why rpm is retarded and suxx? |
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| 18:44.24 | cahoot | does it realy suck? |
| 18:44.39 | peppe | bzed: challenge him to install a package with 40 dependencies, with apt and then with yum :P |
| 18:44.47 | abrotman | not really .. rpm is just as stupid as dpkg .. it's apt-get/aptitude that makes debian, et al so nice |
| 18:45.44 | abrotman | though .. there is that bit that you can 'ar x .deb' and get at the guts |
| 18:45.47 | dvs | abrotman: but rpm has file dependencies while dpkg has package dependencies |
| 18:45.49 | Kevin` | I think it's the well maintained repositories that make debian nicer |
| 18:45.57 | dvs | and that's a big deal to me. |
| 18:46.11 | xingu | it's the herbs and spices.. no it's the way it's cooked |
| 18:46.21 | EdLin | abrotman: it has file dependencies. |
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| 18:47.53 | stoned | mmm |
| 18:47.54 | stoned | herbs |
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| 18:52.36 | wols | abrotman: it's the nazi dds and ftpmasters which don't let bad packages slip into debian repos that make it so nice |
| 18:52.45 | wols | otherwise apt 4 rpm would be equally nice |
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| 18:53.00 | abrotman | wols: bad packages get in |
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| 18:53.13 | wols | yes, but it's nowhere as bad as in rpmland |
| 18:53.21 | stoned | bad packages? they are there |
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| 18:53.57 | stoned | anyone can overlook anything |
| 18:54.02 | stoned | it happens |
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| 18:54.39 | pferdone | stoned: LIAR! *makesmecry* |
| 18:55.18 | stoned | I've never had problems with stable, but in sid you get some shit |
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| 18:55.24 | stoned | sometimes |
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| 18:55.41 | pferdone | ^^ |
| 18:55.54 | lotus-blade | what is a good window manager that deos not use that much memory? |
| 18:56.05 | schme | lotus-blade: ratpoison. |
| 18:56.13 | Rydekull | !fluxbox |
| 18:56.14 | dpkg | i guess fluxbox is a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information. |
| 18:56.26 | xingu | they're not bad packages, they're just drawn that way |
| 18:56.30 | schme | !ratpoison |
| 18:56.30 | dpkg | hmm... ratpoison is the window manager for people who don't like apps taking up any less than the entire screen; http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net for more info The WM with No Flashy Wank! |
| 18:56.36 | kalila | does /window 5 |
| 18:56.55 | schme | Aww. I like my apps to take up HALF the screen. |
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| 18:57.58 | stoned | schme: use a box wm |
| 18:58.11 | schme | stoned: A what? |
| 18:58.11 | stoned | or check xwinman.org |
| 18:58.12 | StarWars | any PHP guru ? |
| 18:58.18 | stoned | StarWars: #php |
| 18:58.29 | kalila | how to change to a particular user in the shell using usernames? su accepts id's |
| 18:58.34 | StarWars | stoned theer no Guru :) |
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| 18:58.49 | Rydekull | stoned: box wm, openbox, blackbox or fluxbox that I suggested :) |
| 18:58.57 | abrotman | StarWars: there are plenty of smart people in ##php |
| 18:59.02 | stoned | Rydekull: i saw |
| 18:59.07 | Rydekull | stoned: baa, why do I keep typing to you? |
| 18:59.10 | StarWars | what is the Source File on Debian for Php 5.2.1 Stable ? |
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| 18:59.17 | stoned | Rydekull: cuz you want my cock |
| 18:59.20 | StarWars | *sourcelist ? |
| 18:59.21 | earthian | is it possible to somehow render an image (browser compatible one) that would have an exact size of 1 megabyte or mibibyte like some freaks like to call it. |
| 18:59.22 | abrotman | kalila: su - <ueresname> |
| 18:59.28 | Rydekull | schme: box wm, openbox, blackbox or fluxbox that I suggested :) |
| 18:59.30 | earthian | and if so how? |
| 18:59.31 | vulture | kalila: accepts usernames.. |
| 18:59.42 | Rydekull | stoned: Appearently, there possibly cant be another reason, right? |
| 18:59.44 | stoned | Rydekull: joking |
| 18:59.45 | stoned | jokin! |
| 18:59.50 | Rydekull | ;) |
| 18:59.51 | amphi | earthian: 'mebibyte' |
| 19:00.05 | earthian | ah well... whatever.. |
| 19:00.05 | wols | dante-server the socks server of choice or socks-server? |
| 19:00.07 | schme | Rydekull: I am quite happy with stumpwm actually.. But thank you for your suggestions .. ? |
| 19:00.12 | earthian | so? |
| 19:00.15 | stoned | pekwm is nice |
| 19:00.36 | amphi | earthian: that's trivial if you generate a raw image with no header ;) |
| 19:00.36 | schme | oh |
| 19:00.44 | schme | Now I understand .. box wm. *box |
| 19:00.58 | earthian | amphi, i would need a header i think |
| 19:01.16 | Rydekull | schme: there we go :) |
| 19:01.24 | earthian | amphi, that image should be a valid one, however it is not important what is drawn inside |
| 19:01.55 | amphi | earthian: then you calculate the size of the header, and adjust acordingly; you may need to pad the header. PNGs allow you to add header data |
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| 19:02.14 | schme | And I was googling for boxwm >< |
| 19:02.25 | earthian | amphi, i guess you have never done anything like this before? |
| 19:02.27 | Rydekull | schme: hah |
| 19:02.48 | amphi | earthian: no, but it's easy to understand what needs to be done |
| 19:03.04 | schme | I'd go with ratpoison if you want low on resources though. the boxes seem a bit bloated. |
| 19:03.22 | stoned | like a few more kb of ram usage is gonna matter? |
| 19:03.29 | amphi | earthian: width x height x bytes/pixel + header = 1MB |
| 19:03.34 | schme | Well it might. |
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| 19:03.44 | schme | Darn if I know. I don't use any of 'em. |
| 19:03.44 | stoned | you have 4mb system ram? |
| 19:03.54 | stoned | I mean c'mon |
| 19:04.12 | stoned | how about you use screen! |
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| 19:04.17 | stoned | dunn dun dunnnn! |
| 19:04.22 | abrotman | so what if he does .. let him use what he wants |
| 19:04.24 | schme | Actually I was an 16MB up till 2 years ago. |
| 19:04.27 | earthian | amphi, what tool would you suggest using? |
| 19:04.30 | schme | I do use screen. |
| 19:04.35 | stoned | its nice |
| 19:04.38 | stoned | I like screen |
| 19:05.03 | schme | I suppose I could use dtach for what I do with it. But nah. |
| 19:05.17 | schme | I can spare the extra kb of harddrive space. |
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| 19:05.28 | stoned | schme: may I ask what you're working with |
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| 19:05.37 | stoned | my beer is warm! fuck |
| 19:05.47 | stoned | schme: hw wise |
| 19:05.51 | amphi | earthian: browser compatibe means png or jpeg, I guess - I know more about png, so I'd use that, with no compression |
| 19:05.53 | schme | stoned: Oh! Like that. |
| 19:06.01 | stoned | yeh sorry |
| 19:06.11 | schme | stoned: Thinkpad, 1.7Ghz, 512MB RAM, 40GB harddrive. |
| 19:06.18 | stoned | oh good god man |
| 19:06.39 | stoned | you'll be fine with whatever you put on it |
| 19:06.39 | amphi | earthian: I don't know how many bytes, say, an imagemagick png header is, so I'd find that out first |
| 19:06.50 | earthian | funny tho... somebody in 2007 said: "I can spare the extra kb of harddrive space."... that sounds funny on my 660 GB of space lol :) |
| 19:06.54 | schme | stoned: I am aware of that. But it is not me looking for a window manager. |
| 19:06.57 | earthian | ok thanks for all amphi |
| 19:07.03 | stoned | schme: who is? |
| 19:07.20 | schme | <lotus-blade> what is a good window manager that deos not use that much memory? |
| 19:07.22 | stoned | schme: I was asking about the machine specs on which this minimal wm will go |
| 19:07.23 | Rydekull | stoned: it was lotus-blade |
| 19:07.32 | stoned | oh |
| 19:07.38 | stoned | well its the warm beer |
| 19:07.40 | schme | stoned: I am quite happy with stumpwm meself. |
| 19:07.41 | stoned | blame it on the warm beer |
| 19:07.42 | stoned | I swear |
| 19:07.42 | amphi | earthian: after that, it's simple, apart from the header padding - I don't know if imagemagick lets you add custom headers to a png |
| 19:07.59 | amphi | earthian: but I expect it does, it does most things ;) |
| 19:08.12 | stoned | browse around for php scripts and examples using im |
| 19:08.17 | amphi | earthian: you could always just add some junk bytes at the end ;) |
| 19:08.28 | schme | stoned: It's ok. I was googling to find the homepage for boxwm. :) |
| 19:08.30 | stoned | study em and see how they do stuff |
| 19:08.30 | maraya | i have a new NSLU2, looking to get debian into it. I see that RC1 is broken, I'm waiting for RC2. I was also thinking about using nightly build, but as a first time debian user (never installed it before), shall better of waiting for RC2? |
| 19:08.41 | stoned | schme: haha, my bad on that too, I meant * box wm |
| 19:08.42 | abrotman | there is a spec for PNG .. |
| 19:08.51 | schme | stoned: Wouldn't have mattered :D |
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| 19:09.01 | stoned | I run kde |
| 19:09.16 | h3sp4wn | maraya: You do realise it will be dog slow right ? |
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| 19:09.18 | abrotman | maraya: try a daily .. that's what the installer team has been telling people to use until RC2 comes |
| 19:09.19 | stoned | after years and years of bullshit, I decided I can't be arsed to use something I have to sit down and configure for a while |
| 19:09.43 | amphi | abrotman: yeah, and handy example code for libpng - I've used custom headers in my progs, but I don't know that imagemagick lets you add them |
| 19:10.01 | maraya | yeah, i know its slow, NSLU will have minimal use, such as my web server etc |
| 19:10.11 | abrotman | maraya: so try a daily |
| 19:10.15 | abrotman | !arm |
| 19:10.16 | dpkg | somebody said arm was Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:10.25 | schme | All I ever run is sxemacs. KDE seems like a waste. |
| 19:10.36 | maraya | ok, I'll give a try with daily |
| 19:10.39 | stoned | schme: sometimes I feel that too |
| 19:10.47 | abrotman | why is the 'i' lowercase ... |
| 19:10.59 | stoned | ? |
| 19:11.10 | amphi | to show the reduction of the instructions? |
| 19:11.11 | stoned | I forgot what risc stands for |
| 19:11.24 | stoned | i first heard of risc back in 95 |
| 19:11.28 | stoned | when Hackers came out |
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| 19:11.38 | schme | stoned: And on a laptop w/o a mouse. Dunno. I stick with wms designed for keyboard use. |
| 19:11.48 | stoned | then a few months later my school got power pcs donatated |
| 19:11.52 | stoned | donaed |
| 19:11.54 | stoned | fuck it |
| 19:11.56 | h3sp4wn | reduced instruction set (whatever c stands for - computer maybe) |
| 19:12.06 | amphi | schme: openbox has decent keyboard support |
| 19:12.09 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 19:12.10 | stoned | !risc |
| 19:12.10 | dpkg | it has been said that risc is (Reduced Instruction Set Computing) RISC chips use a simpler instruction set than CISC chips to get their work done. This results in more instructions that need to be processed by the processor, but they are easier to process, so the chips can process more instructions per clock cycle than a CISC chip. Chip philosophers argue the benefits of RISC vs. CISC, but there is no clear cut winner. See also CISC for additional info. |
| 19:12.12 | schme | Reduced InstrCtion Set maybe? |
| 19:12.17 | stoned | there we go |
| 19:12.18 | schme | oh |
| 19:12.21 | stoned | dkpg is all knowing |
| 19:12.23 | schme | mine would be RICS |
| 19:12.23 | stoned | !dun dun dun! |
| 19:12.42 | amphi | schme: reduced interaction computer set? |
| 19:13.12 | schme | amphi: I know. It also has a lot of things I'd never use. Also the one I use now I can run through SLIME and hack away at. |
| 19:13.35 | schme | amphi: Reduced InstruCtion Set. That was what I thougt. |
| 19:13.43 | schme | amphi: Then again I'm not very smart. (: |
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| 19:13.56 | stoned | well at least you're smart enough to admit that |
| 19:14.02 | bzed | I'm looking for a document which describes what kind of bugs are still considered RC for etch... does anybody have a link for me? |
| 19:14.14 | amphi | schme: I thought you meant your laptop |
| 19:14.21 | schme | Oh my laptop. |
| 19:14.37 | abrotman | bzed: moment |
| 19:14.43 | stoned | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 19:14.49 | abrotman | bzed: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
| 19:14.51 | schme | My laptop would be a CISC I believe. |
| 19:14.54 | stoned | oh thas a list |
| 19:14.56 | bzed | thanks abrotman |
| 19:14.58 | stoned | er.. not a list |
| 19:15.11 | schme | #debian is too confusing tonight. That's for sure. |
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| 19:15.14 | abrotman | bzed: i think that's what you're looking for |
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| 19:15.54 | abrotman | bzed: or ask around in #debian-bugs on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:15.58 | bzed | abrotman: aah no, not a list... more.. what is RC... like... how much does a package need to violate the policy to be RC ;) |
| 19:16.04 | StarWars | abrotman Hi |
| 19:16.09 | stoned | I was so sure there was a list somewhere |
| 19:16.15 | abrotman | bzed: oh .. bugs.debian.org .. has a list of what it means to be RC .. moment |
| 19:16.17 | peppe | bzed: what /kind/ of bugs or what bugs? r-c bugs are the critical, serious and grave bugs as described http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities http://release.debian.org/etch_rc_policy.txt |
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| 19:16.31 | mutante_ | if i just want to get the manpage(s) that come with a package, but not the package itself, how would i do that the easiest way? |
| 19:16.39 | abrotman | bzed: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities |
| 19:16.42 | bzed | peppe: that what I was looking for :) thankes |
| 19:16.42 | abrotman | bzed: better ? :) |
| 19:16.48 | bzed | yes |
| 19:16.51 | peppe | mutante_: google "program man page" :) |
| 19:17.00 | StarWars | abrotman can you help me with a Sourcelist the Link for Debian Sarge php5.2.1 Stable ? and mysql 5.x |
| 19:17.03 | g333k_laptop | hi, how do I know which modules load on boot besides whichi I manually added in /etc/modules? |
| 19:17.08 | mutante_ | peppe: no, i want the manpage installed on my server |
| 19:17.10 | abrotman | StarWars: try backports.org |
| 19:17.29 | StarWars | abrotman deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free will be OK ? |
| 19:17.31 | peppe | g333k_laptop: you can use "lsmod" after booting... |
| 19:17.46 | abrotman | StarWars: you need to learn about pinning .. theyhave instructions at backports.org |
| 19:18.10 | peppe | g333k_laptop: modules that you did not add in /etc/modules are the ones automagically loaded :) |
| 19:18.13 | g333k_laptop | peppe, well I dont want to boot right now, is there a file with this information? |
| 19:18.34 | StarWars | i dont understund 100% english all i need is to be able to run php5.2.1 Stable and mysql 5.x |
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| 19:18.35 | stoned | i don't understand the term automagic |
| 19:18.42 | stoned | its dumb |
| 19:18.46 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412947 (ati man page bug is already reported) |
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| 19:19.04 | StarWars | !sourcelist |
| 19:19.11 | peppe | g333k_laptop: run "lsmod" now, but you can have more modules loaded than the ones loaded at boot time |
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| 19:19.20 | mutante_ | StarWars: want PHP 5 on debian stable? http://www.dotdeb.org/ |
| 19:19.33 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: too bad it won't make release |
| 19:19.38 | schme | amphi: Took a quick look at openbox. Not my cup o' tea. |
| 19:19.39 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: more than likely not anyways |
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| 19:20.01 | amphi | schme: oh, well |
| 19:20.29 | Rydekull | schme: go with fluxbox then, and tabs, and all the nice things :) |
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| 19:20.46 | schme | I will do no such thing! |
| 19:20.56 | g333k_laptop | peppe, thats what I mean I want to know which ones load automatically |
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| 19:21.17 | schme | I used to run fvwm back in the days though. |
| 19:21.32 | abrotman | g333k_laptop: all the ones not in /etc/modules probably |
| 19:21.34 | grendal_prime | spellchecking in quanta grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 19:21.51 | capiira | hmmm just installed kde 3.5.6 from experimental to testing, works fine so far :) |
| 19:22.01 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, wellI think there should be a file with this information, dont you? |
| 19:22.22 | peppe | g333k_laptop: I don't know any file nor command you can use to see exactly WHAT modules are loaded at boot time. you can use "lsmod" and look for modules that you did not manually add to /etc/modules |
| 19:22.27 | abrotman | g333k_laptop: kernel/udev/discover docs |
| 19:22.32 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, because some of them could be loaded by hand |
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| 19:22.44 | abrotman | peppe: he wants to know how to tel which got automagically loaded |
| 19:23.02 | abrotman | i think |
| 19:23.09 | schme | Rydekull: I am puzzled by the screenshots of fluxbox (as well as openbox and so). Desktop wallpaper and such.. I mean I just want my apps to take up the whole screen. I never see the root window. |
| 19:23.16 | mutante_ | i wish there was single apt-gettable package like "manpages" that includes (only) ALL manpages that are in all debian packages, |
| 19:23.25 | abrotman | manpages-dev ? |
| 19:23.26 | peppe | abrotman: immediately after a reboot it's simple |
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| 19:23.40 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, yes, what peppe says is correct but to know that I would have to reboot my system now |
| 19:23.41 | grendal_prime | schme: you only need x for that |
| 19:23.42 | peppe | mutante_: why do you want a man page for a missing program? |
| 19:23.57 | abrotman | mutante: oh .. wish there was :) |
| 19:24.05 | schme | grendal_prime: Indeed. |
| 19:24.07 | fangle | anyone know whats going on here: http://phpfi.com/211491 and block 0 of sda is identical to taht of sda1 and the layout looks odd. this is on a sun netra |
| 19:24.27 | mutante_ | abrotman: well, thats a start but not really all of them, just system calls .. |
| 19:24.40 | schme | grendal_prime: I do like to be able to switch between my apps though. |
| 19:24.47 | abrotman | mutante: most of them are available online |
| 19:24.48 | fangle | http://phpfi.com/211521 |
| 19:24.54 | fangle | block 0 of sda and sda1 |
| 19:24.55 | schme | Not that it matters. I have my wm of choice. :) |
| 19:24.56 | StarWars | what i must add in my "sources.list" to get php ver.5.2.1 Stable ? |
| 19:25.06 | abrotman | StarWars: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 19:25.11 | mutante_ | peppe: because i have a mediawiki running, with manpage extension on that server, if i have a manpage installed i can easily display them on the wiki |
| 19:25.12 | abrotman | StarWars: why do yuo need php5 ? |
| 19:25.21 | mutante_ | peppe: like "man2html" with a mediawiki |
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| 19:25.52 | grendal_prime | schme: soooo you dont really....know what you want? or you want your apps full screen all the time?? |
| 19:25.53 | StarWars | abrotman my new Php file work only on php5.2.1 not in 5.1.x |
| 19:26.05 | abrotman | php file ? |
| 19:26.21 | StarWars | abrotman yes ... some scripts |
| 19:26.36 | grendal_prime | anyone know how to enable aspell in quanta...it seems to work fine in everything else..just not the quata editor...werid. |
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| 19:26.54 | StarWars | abrotman yes ... some scripts what they are Write in php 5.2.1 |
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| 19:26.59 | schme | grendal_prime: I know exactly what I want. And I want apps full screen most of the time. The other part of the time I want to split the screen in different manners. Which is what I have. ;) |
| 19:27.02 | capiira | hmmm i installed kde 3.5.6 exp. to testing, now i wonder if a newer kde version from testing would update the one i installed from exp. |
| 19:27.10 | mutante_ | abrotman: after downloading them manually with wget, can i install the result into my system, so that "man command" on the shell works with it? |
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| 19:27.30 | abrotman | mutante: sure .. dump the .gz file in the correct location |
| 19:27.45 | abrotman | mutante: you mean the package or the man page ? |
| 19:27.55 | mutante_ | okay, then i just need to find a debian ftp location now, with all manpages at a single location ;) |
| 19:28.01 | abrotman | hahah |
| 19:28.04 | mutante_ | jus the manpages |
| 19:29.34 | capiira | nobody know ? |
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| 19:29.47 | fangle | installed etch, and patitions seem odd on here: http://phpfi.com/211491 and block 0 of sda is identical to taht of sda1 and the layout looks odd. i dont have sda1p* or sda3p* devices, why from block 0 and not from block 1 http://phpfi.com/211521 is block 0 of sda and sda1 |
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| 19:31.29 | capiira | hmmm |
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| 19:33.05 | capiira | abrotman: maybe you know ? |
| 19:33.14 | _Atomo64_ | hey, how can this be possible? http://paste.debian.net/23074 (notice the duplicated files, with SAME file name) |
| 19:33.23 | abrotman | capiira: about the fonts ? |
| 19:33.26 | abrotman | erm .. spelling |
| 19:33.29 | capiira | nah |
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| 19:33.43 | capiira | i installed kde 3.5.6 exp. to testing, now i wonder if a newer kde version from testing would update the one i installed from exp. |
| 19:34.00 | abrotman | oh ... you can pin it |
| 19:34.02 | capiira | i mean if someday a kde 3.5.7 enters testing |
| 19:34.06 | StarWars | http://www.backports.org sarge-backports/main php5-common 5.2.0-8 is not php5.2.1 stable so debian dont have upgrade to 5.2.1 |
| 19:34.10 | abrotman | but testing won't get a 3.5 for awhile .. |
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| 19:34.13 | abrotman | capiira: but it will eventually |
| 19:34.18 | justin | _Atomo64_: what duplicate files? |
| 19:34.23 | capiira | ahh cool |
| 19:34.29 | capiira | thx :) |
| 19:34.41 | capiira | maybe i should change to unstable |
| 19:35.03 | capiira | its a desktop system where i work |
| 19:35.13 | _Atomo64_ | justin: lol, damn me... I'm blind... I didn't see one was .16 and the other one was .18 |
| 19:35.18 | freetos | hillary looks pretty good as a public speaker probably favorite to win dem nomination |
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| 19:35.30 | abrotman | capiira: probably not |
| 19:35.35 | abrotman | freetos: try #politics |
| 19:35.44 | freetos | sorry thought i was there |
| 19:35.56 | capiira | yeah maybe |
| 19:36.00 | mutante_ | StarWars: sources.list: deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all | php --version PHP 5.2.1-0.dotdeb.1 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 <-- on stable |
| 19:36.06 | capiira | let me read more anbout spin |
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| 19:37.53 | abrotman | mutante: do NOT recommend those |
| 19:37.57 | abrotman | StarWars: don't use dotdeb |
| 19:38.02 | StarWars | mutante_ thanks you guru |
| 19:38.15 | abrotman | !dotdeb |
| 19:38.15 | dpkg | well, dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 19:39.13 | fangle | anyone know whats going on here: http://phpfi.com/211491 and block 0 of sda is identical to taht of sda1 and the layout looks odd. this is on a sun netra |
| 19:39.17 | mutante_ | hmm,ok, i am using them but i dont recommend them ;) |
| 19:39.24 | abrotman | good job! |
| 19:39.51 | fangle | i used etch D-I for the install, automagics |
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| 19:40.44 | StarWars | mutante_> hmm,ok, i am using them but i dont recommend them ;) |
| 19:40.44 | StarWars | [20:39:23] <abrotman |
| 19:40.52 | abrotman | i can read |
| 19:40.56 | StarWars | tnx is working |
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| 19:42.43 | kalila | is sourceforge site funky for everyone else atm? |
| 19:43.00 | cusco | nops |
| 19:43.34 | x_link | Hi |
| 19:43.34 | cusco | sf.net looks good |
| 19:43.38 | x_link | Which program language is Linux written in? |
| 19:43.46 | mutante_ | C? |
| 19:43.46 | xingu | algol |
| 19:43.47 | cusco | C I gues... |
| 19:43.49 | x_link | ok |
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| 19:44.15 | norc | x_link: Linux is no application |
| 19:44.16 | x_link | I'm writting down alot of stuff in Kedit now. My own Linux book=) So that I can read it everytime I'm bored. |
| 19:44.23 | x_link | norc: I know. |
| 19:44.24 | capiira | i think a little bit of everything |
| 19:44.28 | x_link | OKey. |
| 19:44.29 | norc | x_link: The Linux Kernel is written in C, maybe that's what you meant |
| 19:44.30 | x_link | And Windows? |
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| 19:44.41 | x_link | norc: Yes. |
| 19:44.48 | x_link | norc: What is Debian written in? |
| 19:44.56 | xingu | a drunken stupor |
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| 19:44.59 | norc | x_link: Windows Kernels are written in C too |
| 19:45.00 | capiira | heh |
| 19:45.11 | schme | x_link: What part of debian? |
| 19:45.15 | cusco | debian is composed by several tools written in different languages |
| 19:45.22 | x_link | ahh ok |
| 19:45.30 | mutante_ | and some assembler in the kernel, too |
| 19:45.31 | xingu | some of the languages are tools written in several languages |
| 19:45.39 | xingu | if you want to get all self referential |
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| 19:46.03 | x_link | I heard some guys say like this ---> I have compiled my own kernel. |
| 19:46.08 | x_link | What do they mean with that? |
| 19:46.20 | grendal_prime | they have alot of time on there hands.. |
| 19:46.20 | schme | Liars. |
| 19:46.21 | norc | mutante_: Well, C is just an Assembler Macro language.. |
| 19:46.30 | cusco | they have the lines of code that compose the linux kernel and then they compile it |
| 19:46.51 | grendal_prime | or they are trying to build something small...for some reason(mostly embeded devices) |
| 19:46.51 | schme | x_link: They mean they have taken a kernel that someone else wrote, set some options, and recompiled it. |
| 19:46.52 | Kvant | x_link, you can get the complete source code for linux from www.kernel.org |
| 19:47.03 | cusco | but yeah... either liars or lots of time in theyr hands.. or whatever :P |
| 19:47.14 | mutante_ | they used a compiler (gcc) to translate the source code written in C, into an executable binary, the linux kerbel |
| 19:47.15 | x_link | Kvant: I can't do much with it. |
| 19:47.18 | x_link | cusco: But why do they do that? |
| 19:47.27 | x_link | Is the Linux kernel not good enough for them or what? |
| 19:47.29 | schme | They are probably hanging out over at #gentoo . |
| 19:47.38 | abrotman | !kp |
| 19:47.38 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 19:47.43 | grendal_prime | there is reasons to do it..but umm im gonna go out on a limb and say if you dont know what they are talking about, it is probably not something you want to try at this point in your life |
| 19:47.45 | mutante_ | x_link: no, what is good depends on what people need |
| 19:47.49 | schme | x_link: They have recompiled the exact same kernal. |
| 19:47.52 | norc | x_link: The idea is that you can optimize a kernel in some ways, modify it etc.. |
| 19:47.54 | cusco | x_link: but thats the linux kernel... debian distributes it already pre-compiled so we don't need to waste time doing it |
| 19:48.03 | x_link | ok |
| 19:48.08 | norc | x_link: Best thing, do it yourself one time |
| 19:48.12 | norc | then you'll know what you are talking about |
| 19:48.12 | fangle | arg im getting frustrated, nobody knows the answer. |
| 19:48.15 | Kvant | x_link, usually because you want a different version than your dist supplies and/or you want different compile time options |
| 19:48.18 | norc | fangle: to what |
| 19:48.22 | x_link | Re-compiling kernel = Sorta like adding apps ? |
| 19:48.27 | grendal_prime | no |
| 19:48.31 | x_link | ok |
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| 19:48.41 | x_link | hehe |
| 19:48.46 | x_link | Damn I really don't know ANYTHINg |
| 19:48.47 | grendal_prime | its usually removing things you dont need in an effort to speed it up, and reduce its size |
| 19:48.57 | cusco | when you compile a piece of code... the compiler will reade it and produce a binary executable file |
| 19:49.00 | norc | x_link: http://tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/ |
| 19:49.08 | norc | Think this is a good piece of Documentation |
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| 19:49.18 | mutante_ | x_link: its like ntoskrnl32.exe in windows :p |
| 19:49.19 | schme | x_link: the kernel ("linux") is what you see scrolling by when you boot your computer. After it says "init". It's other software. |
| 19:49.34 | grendal_prime | that thing is a piece of shit |
| 19:49.36 | cusco | if you change the code to perform diferent functions then you recompile it, your executable will perfomr those diferent functions |
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| 19:50.01 | fangle | installed etch, and patitions seem odd on here: http://phpfi.com/211491 and block 0 of sda is identical to taht of sda1 and the layout looks odd. i dont have sda1p* or sda3p* devices, why from block 0 and not from block 1 http://phpfi.com/211521 is block 0 of sda |
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| 19:50.03 | grendal_prime | and you cant compair it in any way...you cant recompile it and its a huge as locked constipated pile of................... |
| 19:50.06 | fangle | norc: for that |
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| 19:50.52 | fangle | Kvant: howdy:) |
| 19:51.07 | norc | fangle: I don't see your problem |
| 19:51.23 | Anthro | I don't know jack about PHP, but I'm trying to get a PHP app (roundcube) working under Apache2. In /var/log/apache2/error.log I am getting a PHP Fatal error about exhausting the allowed memory size. How/where do I up that limit? |
| 19:51.33 | schme | x_link: Take a look in /boot . There ought to be a file named vmlinuz or something. That is linux, that is what they are recompiling. |
| 19:51.33 | fangle | norc: dont you ee something fucked? its going from block 0-> instead of from block 1-> |
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| 19:51.43 | mutante_ | Anthro: probably in php.ini |
| 19:51.48 | fangle | norc: and its got 3 partitons, but the numbers seem to overrun |
| 19:51.51 | x_link | schme: I will look at it now. |
| 19:51.51 | norc | mhmm |
| 19:51.55 | simonrvn | increase it to 16 or 32 in /etc/php*/apache2/php.ini |
| 19:52.08 | rubenz|away | \nick rubenz |
| 19:52.12 | norc | fangle: I'll take a look at it, give me a few minutes |
| 19:52.19 | x_link | schme: What will happen if I remove that file? |
| 19:52.21 | fangle | norc: sda1 and sda block 0 look exacly the same |
| 19:52.24 | fangle | norc: http://phpfi.com/211521 |
| 19:52.29 | schme | x_link: Mosty people do it for odd reasons like "oh if I take away the support for floppy drives I will save 2kb of system memory, and things will run faster." |
| 19:52.33 | abrotman | simonrvn: welcome to sunday! |
| 19:52.35 | norc | fangle: On sun disk labels the first partition *STARTS* at 0 |
| 19:52.35 | schme | x_link: Your system won't boot. |
| 19:52.40 | x_link | lol o k |
| 19:52.41 | rubenz | jigdo is slow |
| 19:52.44 | simonrvn | yeh yeh :P |
| 19:52.44 | norc | fangle: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/sundisklabels.html |
| 19:52.59 | x_link | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 19:52.59 | simonrvn | abrotman: welcome to your nightmare :P |
| 19:52.59 | schme | x_link: GRUB, lilo, or whatever bootloader you use tries to load that file. |
| 19:53.03 | Anthro | mutante_: Okay, found it, trying it out. |
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| 19:53.07 | simonrvn | abrotman: nahw, j/k |
| 19:53.09 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's not that bad yet |
| 19:53.13 | fangle | norc: right, so there is no problem there |
| 19:53.14 | schme | x_link: That's the one. vmlinuz in turn runs init. |
| 19:53.22 | x_link | schme: I use GRUB now, but always used LILO before. |
| 19:53.22 | Anthro | mutante_: Should I need to restart apache2? |
| 19:53.27 | x_link | schme: Okey |
| 19:53.29 | mutante_ | Anthro: yes |
| 19:53.30 | norc | fangle: As far as I can see not |
| 19:53.31 | simonrvn | abrotman: yes |
| 19:53.33 | fangle | norc: whats with the sda1p* devices |
| 19:53.35 | simonrvn | woops |
| 19:53.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:53.44 | simonrvn | Anthro: ^^ |
| 19:54.00 | Anthro | mutante_: Woohoo! It worked! Thanks! |
| 19:54.24 | schme | x_link: Most of the time configuring your own kernel options (download the source, run make menuconfig, and compile) is a total waste of time. Unless you have a darn good reason to do it I'd just say "fuck it". |
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| 19:55.14 | norc | fangle: Well, I guess thats the partition scheming of sda devices, I'm not entirely sure |
| 19:55.17 | x_link | schme: hehe ok |
| 19:55.27 | simonrvn | i hate having to use an initrd when i don't have to is one good reason, to me |
| 19:55.53 | norc | fangle: I guess the actual sda1 is partitionated into sda1p1 thru sda1p3 |
| 19:55.53 | fangle | norc: ok, and why would it have sun disk labels, i mean surely i can remove that, and just partition normaly, which is what i thought i had |
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| 19:56.05 | simonrvn | partitioned |
| 19:56.25 | schme | x_link: If you are compiling a custom kernel for an embedded system or whatnot, go for it. |
| 19:56.52 | x_link | I don't even know how to compile |
| 19:57.02 | Kvant | x_link, like this: make :) |
| 19:57.03 | abrotman | then don't |
| 19:57.26 | x_link | Kvant: Yeah. but then? lol |
| 19:57.27 | mutante_ | start by compiling an application |
| 19:57.35 | simonrvn | a small one |
| 19:57.37 | x_link | + I don't know what I should add/remove etc. |
| 19:57.52 | norc | fangle: Well, it's just another scheming, where you don't have primary and extended partitions |
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| 19:58.10 | simonrvn | don't go trying to build openldap or cyrus-imap the first time .... |
| 19:58.21 | norc | fangle: I don't have much clues about this topic neither, I'm just gooling around and telling you what I read there |
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| 19:58.33 | norc | fangle: you might want to try ##linux |
| 19:58.36 | fangle | norc: well, im not short of reading :> |
| 19:58.42 | fangle | but im very short of answers |
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| 19:59.10 | fasta | Is there an msn client for Linux that has full speed file transfers? |
| 19:59.21 | fangle | norc: thanks anyway |
| 19:59.23 | fasta | a* (GAIM is not applicable) |
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| 19:59.57 | schme | x_link: Oh! I know. GNU/Linux is a car. Linux is the engine. Ya? Debian gives you a car with an engine that Just Works. Some people think it's a jolly good idea to take parts of the engine away, believing it will run better/faster/in circles. Those people are fucktards. Also that is what recompiling the kernel is. Or they feel the urge to grab a newer version of the engine because it has a new set of bolts somewhere. Not that they will |
| 19:59.57 | schme | use that part of the engine, but still! Wow! |
| 19:59.57 | schme | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.59 | schme | oh |
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| 20:00.15 | Smoked1_ | What does this mean and how do I fix it? The following packages have been kept back: |
| 20:00.15 | Smoked1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.17 | schme | I will shut up now :P |
| 20:00.38 | mutante_ | fasta: one of several jabber clients, if you use a jabber server with MSN gateway |
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| 20:00.49 | fasta | mutante_: name one |
| 20:00.52 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 20:00.54 | fasta | mutante_: Gajim isn;t one. |
| 20:01.12 | mutante_ | The MSN gateway PyMSNt 0.11 supports file transfer via bytestream proxy |
| 20:01.14 | simonrvn | abrotman: help |
| 20:01.21 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:01.30 | abrotman | help with what ? |
| 20:01.44 | mutante_ | fasta: Psi? |
| 20:01.48 | abrotman | Smoked1_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 20:01.54 | x_link | schme: Thanks for the explanation |
| 20:02.00 | simonrvn | it's sunday, that's what i need help for |
| 20:02.03 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 20:02.13 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 20:02.30 | abrotman | it's okay little woman .. you just sit tight behind abrotman! |
| 20:02.38 | simonrvn | hehhee |
| 20:03.17 | x_link | Now I will backup my syste |
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| 20:03.49 | schme | x_link: It was not a very good one though. And there are times compiling a custom kernel is the way to go. Incidentally, if this had been an OpenBSD channel people would think you were some kind of retard if you compiled a custom kernel. :) Dunno why so many linux users feel it's a good idea to do it. |
| 20:04.02 | abrotman | !custom kernel |
| 20:04.02 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 20:04.05 | abrotman | :) |
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| 20:04.32 | schme | Good one! |
| 20:04.34 | orkid | lol, gentoo 'custom kernels' are good, but i've never done it for debian |
| 20:05.47 | schme | Whatever happened to that funroll-loops.org anyway? |
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| 20:06.09 | wols | abrotman: and I still compile my own kernels! so there :P |
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| 20:06.15 | redrain | Hi, I'm trying to use beryl on sid. I've done lots of thing (install beryl, ati closed source driver, work with xorg.conf, etc) but couldn't get it working. I get this error when start beryl-manager: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". | beryl: glXBindTexImageEXT is missing | beryl: Failed to manage screen: 0 | beryl: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 |
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| 20:06.38 | abrotman | wols: we never said you were sane :) |
| 20:06.40 | wols | and while I don't know what I'm doing, I at least _think_ I do, so I'm almost halfway there, right? |
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| 20:07.05 | abrotman | redrain: you don't even have DRI working |
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| 20:07.55 | redrain | abrotman: So where do I start? How can I get it working? |
| 20:08.02 | simonrvn | start by getting dri working, then ogl, then beryl |
| 20:08.27 | schme | wols: I dropped compiling custom kernels when I no longer understood what most of the stuff in the menuconfig was. :) |
| 20:08.28 | simonrvn | you need a foundation before you make a house, or poles before you go making a wigwam |
| 20:08.42 | abrotman | or an axe/saw to get those poles |
| 20:08.49 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 20:09.51 | simonrvn | that's why the help and ./Documentation/ is there for ... |
| 20:09.51 | wols | schme: everything has a "help" entry :) |
| 20:10.22 | wols | and the only important things are disk controllers, network drivers, filesystems for / |
| 20:10.28 | wols | everything else is secondary |
| 20:10.33 | schme | wols: Mostly everything, ya. |
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| 20:10.37 | norc | Something is way wrong with my time, its displaying 14:10 CST, although it should be 21:10 CET |
| 20:10.51 | norc | Copying /usr/share/zoneinfo/CET to /etc/timezone didn't help |
| 20:10.54 | norc | No change at all |
| 20:11.01 | dvs | norc: echo $TZ |
| 20:11.14 | simonrvn | well that's the basic stuff, then you start consiering the needs of the kernel, what purpose it's going to be used for... is it a desktop machine? is it a router or gateway? |
| 20:11.15 | fasta | mutante_: Psi stays in a "connecting" state, but doesn't give any error message (even after waiting for 5 minutes) |
| 20:11.16 | norc | dvs: empty |
| 20:11.21 | simonrvn | considering* |
| 20:11.26 | orkid | try using date to set the date :) |
| 20:11.32 | mutante_ | apt-get install ntpdate , if you are lazy;) |
| 20:11.35 | orkid | err, nvm. |
| 20:11.39 | orkid | it's a DST issue |
| 20:11.42 | simonrvn | TZ=your_TZ date |
| 20:11.46 | norc | mutante_: it does synchronize already |
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| 20:11.54 | norc | simonrvn: The problem is that its using the wrong timezone |
| 20:11.59 | orkid | it's /etc/localtime not /etc/timezone iirc |
| 20:12.04 | norc | localtime |
| 20:12.04 | simonrvn | so set the time properly |
| 20:12.04 | mutante_ | fasta: hmm,too bad, then i dont know either |
| 20:12.14 | fasta | mutante_: ok |
| 20:12.25 | orkid | yeah. /etc/localtime norc |
| 20:12.26 | mutante_ | fasta: sure the MSN gateway is operating on the jabber server ? |
| 20:12.28 | fangle | norc: ##linux seems useless |
| 20:12.28 | norc | Ok, thanks orkid |
| 20:12.29 | norc | this worked |
| 20:12.32 | orkid | np |
| 20:12.34 | simonrvn | install that, run it, then install ntpd |
| 20:12.38 | norc | orkid: And what does /etc/timezone contain? |
| 20:12.45 | simonrvn | afk |
| 20:12.56 | orkid | i don't think it contains anything norc. i've never used it |
| 20:13.01 | fasta | mutante_: I wasn't even able to discover the service. |
| 20:13.05 | norc | orkid: could you check? |
| 20:13.09 | norc | since I overwrote it.. ;) |
| 20:13.22 | fasta | mutante_: I only used my jabber id and password to contact the server |
| 20:13.25 | mutante_ | fasta: use a different server? |
| 20:13.32 | wols | Europe/Berlin for me norc |
| 20:13.40 | fasta | mutante_: it does work with another client |
| 20:13.45 | norc | wols: just this string? |
| 20:13.47 | wols | yes |
| 20:13.56 | wols | 14 bytes in all |
| 20:14.00 | kelsin | norc: mine is "US/Eastern" |
| 20:14.05 | mutante_ | fasta: so then you do already know a working client? which? |
| 20:14.07 | kelsin | norc: (without quotes) |
| 20:14.12 | norc | Thanks |
| 20:14.14 | fasta | mutante_: Gajim |
| 20:14.15 | norc | asterix ~ # echo Europe/Berlin > /etc/timezone |
| 20:14.16 | wols | my /etc/timezone is CET btw |
| 20:14.19 | norc | Just made it right then :) |
| 20:14.25 | mutante_ | fasta: thought you it ISNT one |
| 20:14.28 | Smoked1_ | What is the best kernel to run with an AMD sempron? |
| 20:14.28 | mutante_ | said |
| 20:14.29 | norc | wols: Well, this is same as Europe/Berlin |
| 20:14.31 | norc | Thanks |
| 20:14.32 | fasta | mutante_: it doesn't have file transfer, I think |
| 20:14.38 | fasta | mutante_: is that English? |
| 20:14.42 | mutante_ | no |
| 20:14.45 | mutante_ | :) |
| 20:15.07 | fangle | the world needs more debian sparc people. |
| 20:15.14 | fangle | you should all buy sparc's |
| 20:15.20 | orkid | norc i can't really check right now, since i don't have access to any machines running debian |
| 20:15.34 | stoned | fangle: gimme some money |
| 20:15.35 | norc | orkid: enough people have checked already, thanks though |
| 20:15.36 | norc | :) |
| 20:15.38 | stoned | fangle: I'll gladly buy one |
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| 20:16.20 | hello_hello_hel | hello is the packages server down? |
| 20:16.22 | orkid | norc, it seems just like the text representation of the timezone |
| 20:16.39 | stoned | hello_hello_hel: no |
| 20:16.43 | AElfwine | Smoked1_ : sempron, should be kernel 2.xx.xx-k7 |
| 20:16.45 | stoned | hello_hello_hel: i just check and it works |
| 20:16.54 | hello_hello_hel | well i cant download packages from packages.debian.org |
| 20:17.03 | stoned | hello_hello_hel: you don't download from there |
| 20:17.11 | stoned | hello_hello_hel: it has links to various mirros that hold the p ackages |
| 20:17.12 | fangle | stoned: stop toking weed and u can aford it easy |
| 20:17.13 | hello_hello_hel | "internal server error" |
| 20:17.31 | Smoked1_ | gthanks |
| 20:17.33 | hello_hello_hel | no i cant download some packages from apt-get like the zoo package |
| 20:17.41 | stoned | hello_hello_hel: change your mirror |
| 20:17.46 | hello_hello_hel | how |
| 20:17.50 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 20:17.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 20:18.01 | hello_hello_hel | yay |
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| 20:18.56 | Smoked1_ | !mirrors |
| 20:18.56 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 20:19.13 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 20:19.14 | dpkg | i heard dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 20:19.35 | hello_hello_hel | roflcakes |
| 20:19.37 | fasta | mutante_: apt-get remove psi :) |
| 20:19.44 | hello_hello_hel | somone spammed the bot |
| 20:19.48 | hello_hello_hel | XD |
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| 20:22.17 | AElfwine | Hello |
| 20:22.19 | AElfwine | i currently have a strange issue with utf8 : since i updated e17, I read strange file names with kde, and with konsole and all kde apps, but not with iceweasel or in console mode. I ve been looking for a locale configuration file for kde, but i didn't found anything.. Any idea ? |
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| 20:23.20 | dvs | AElfwine: did you configure locales to use UTF-8? |
| 20:23.41 | AElfwine | dvs : yes, and it had been working for 6 mounth now |
| 20:24.14 | AElfwine | but since i updated e17, no more utf8 with kde... astonishing |
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| 20:27.30 | AElfwine | and when i create a brand new user, its the same issue with kde |
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| 20:30.27 | zlatinka | ccf |
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| 20:36.45 | stevepastelan | hello everybody! |
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| 20:37.05 | hello_hello_hel | !sing spam |
| 20:37.05 | dpkg | spam, spam, spam, spam! spam, spam spam spam! spam, spam SPAM SPAM! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM! ... |
| 20:37.13 | dvs | lovely |
| 20:37.21 | stevepastelan | SPAAAAm |
| 20:37.23 | hello_hello_hel | lol who the hell added that to dpkg |
| 20:37.41 | dvs | but I don't like spam |
| 20:37.49 | stevepastelan | Oh, I love it |
| 20:38.01 | stevepastelan | I'm having the spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, spam and spam |
| 20:38.04 | pipeline | !sing sperm |
| 20:38.05 | streuner | !factinfo sing spam |
| 20:38.05 | dpkg | sing spam -- created by fudje <fudje@203.29.87.11> at Thu Dec 26 07:36:49 2002 (1529 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by hello_hello_hel, 1m ago. |
| 20:38.07 | hello_hello_hel | without the UK and monte python we wouldm have no spam :( |
| 20:38.23 | dvs | what would we call it then? |
| 20:38.35 | Coweater | travis |
| 20:38.42 | dvs | who? |
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| 20:38.53 | Coweater | no, spam is a what |
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| 20:39.04 | Coweater | but we would most certainly call it travis |
| 20:39.05 | dvs | Coweater: spiced ham |
| 20:39.13 | hello_hello_hel | Super Powerfull Assimilating Message? :) |
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| 20:39.54 | dvs | shitty piss ass message |
| 20:39.57 | xingu | some people are muppets |
| 20:39.59 | hello_hello_hel | lol |
| 20:40.09 | stevepastelan | friends |
| 20:40.13 | stevepastelan | I need a little bit of advice |
| 20:40.21 | dvs | don't rub it |
| 20:40.22 | stevepastelan | I found a computer in my basement |
| 20:40.29 | stevepastelan | and I decided I want to run debian on it |
| 20:40.31 | xingu | don't ever wax your buttcrack |
| 20:40.41 | stevepastelan | to do all my filesharing stuff |
| 20:40.46 | stevepastelan | as in, downloading and uploading |
| 20:40.47 | hello_hello_hel | Stupid People Acting Messages |
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| 20:40.57 | hello_hello_hel | debian rox |
| 20:41.10 | stevepastelan | are there some must-have packages that I should install on it? |
| 20:41.16 | streuner | tell news |
| 20:41.17 | stevepastelan | so far I got the ssh package |
| 20:41.23 | Coweater | Stender|afk: rtorrent, screen |
| 20:41.35 | Coweater | damn me, stevepastelan |
| 20:41.35 | stevepastelan | and then I took off the monitor and put it in the basement |
| 20:41.44 | stevepastelan | k I'ma write all these down |
| 20:41.56 | hello_hello_hel | i think there was a bittorent plugin for checking servises if abuncyh of ppl had there downloads stop at the same percent |
| 20:42.15 | hello_hello_hel | it was orrigannally an anti RIAA plugin |
| 20:42.23 | wols | all the "Prioitzy: required" ones stevepastelan |
| 20:42.27 | hello_hello_hel | but you could use it not just for that... |
| 20:42.35 | hello_hello_hel | anyways i hope i can find it again |
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| 20:43.11 | xingu | stevepastelan: taskse install file-server? |
| 20:43.17 | xingu | stevepastelan: tasksel install file-server? |
| 20:43.22 | stevepastelan | wols: what do you mean |
| 20:43.50 | simonrvn | !tasksel |
| 20:43.50 | dpkg | tasksel is probably the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. |
| 20:45.01 | stevepastelan | xingu: I have ssh |
| 20:45.09 | stevepastelan | I was just going to use SFTP for file transfers |
| 20:45.16 | stevepastelan | is there something better? |
| 20:45.25 | dvs | scp? |
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| 20:45.33 | xingu | !better |
| 20:45.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 20:45.41 | stevepastelan | hm |
| 20:45.51 | fangle | norc: looks like my problem is a d-i bug. |
| 20:45.55 | stevepastelan | Is there something that'll transfer at a higher rate than sftp? |
| 20:45.58 | fangle | which isnt filed |
| 20:46.04 | xingu | yes, http |
| 20:46.08 | pipeline | stevepastelan: tar over ssh |
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| 20:46.18 | pipeline | stevepastelan: rsync over ssh |
| 20:46.42 | RvGaTe | Can someone explain me in general how vmware works on linux... i see that there is a server version and a viewer... what are they for, and wich one do i need? |
| 20:46.43 | pipeline | stevepastelan: tar -cf - stuff | ssh user@host ( cd target; tar -xvf -) |
| 20:46.56 | pipeline | RvGaTe: VMware Server runs a bunch of daemons. |
| 20:46.56 | stevepastelan | oh |
| 20:47.01 | stevepastelan | but then I have to untar it when it gets here |
| 20:47.02 | pipeline | RvGaTe: The VMware Server Console is the client side. |
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| 20:47.08 | fangle | tar will croke because of the 2gb file thing. |
| 20:47.09 | stevepastelan | err I mean |
| 20:47.12 | stevepastelan | it has to untar it over here |
| 20:47.16 | fangle | u need cpio if over 2gb |
| 20:47.24 | pipeline | RvGaTe: VMware Server comes with a crippled version of the client that will only connect to local host. You can install the Console side-by-side to the same directory (say, /opt/vmware) to no ill effect. |
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| 20:47.35 | pipeline | RvGaTe: VMW:S and VMW:S Console are both totally free as in beer. |
| 20:47.49 | stevepastelan | ;o |
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| 20:48.05 | stevepastelan | well, file transfers aside |
| 20:48.13 | pipeline | RvGaTe: There's also VMW ESX, which is very much NOT free, and has its own console software, which is not compatible with VMW:S. Hilariously, VMW:S Console can't talk to ESX, and ESX Console can't talk to VMW:S :P |
| 20:48.14 | stevepastelan | I need some stuff to actually do the filesharing |
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| 20:48.23 | stevepastelan | rtorrent is one I hear |
| 20:48.24 | stevepastelan | :) |
| 20:48.40 | fangle | er |
| 20:48.54 | stevepastelan | I also want to run eMule with wine |
| 20:49.05 | fangle | stevepastelan: u also want to commit suicide |
| 20:49.08 | RvGaTe | pipeline, so what do i use whenever i want a simple vm, that has access t the internet and local network... |
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| 20:49.10 | stevepastelan | :( |
| 20:49.18 | stevepastelan | fangle: why so harsh? ^^ |
| 20:49.25 | pipeline | RvGaTe: install VMware Server. |
| 20:49.26 | fangle | stevepastelan: why so stupid |
| 20:49.31 | pipeline | RvGaTe: it's not as complicated as it sounds, honest. |
| 20:49.37 | pipeline | RvGaTe: Just accept the default options when you run vmware-configure.pl |
| 20:49.43 | abrotman | !tell fangle about u |
| 20:49.51 | dvs | there it is |
| 20:50.00 | stevepastelan | please point me to something that trumps emule for connecting to the ed2k network |
| 20:50.00 | pipeline | RvGaTe: Make sure you have the "CC" variable set to the right compiler, because the vmware-configure.pl builds some kernel drivers. |
| 20:50.20 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: mkdonkey perhaps |
| 20:50.23 | pipeline | RvGaTe: cat /proc/version will tell you what the right compiler version is. |
| 20:50.28 | jelly-home | *mldonkey |
| 20:50.37 | pipeline | RvGaTe: e.g. "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0" |
| 20:50.39 | vanisher | for dutch debian support, join #debian_nl |
| 20:50.47 | abrotman | ~nl |
| 20:51.06 | apt | somebody said nl was holland, holland is nl, nobody actually cares about the difference!, or a country of pot consumers |
| 20:51.07 | abrotman | !nl |
| 20:51.07 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 20:51.07 | fangle | abrotman: im not an eng lit folk, #english for more details |
| 20:51.07 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: no idea if it's actually better, but it works |
| 20:51.07 | abrotman | wow |
| 20:51.09 | fangle | abrotman: ie. i cunt spell and u just a cunt |
| 20:51.21 | abrotman | fangle: are you using Puppy Linux too ? |
| 20:51.23 | jelly-home | fangle: You can at least try to. |
| 20:51.25 | stevepastelan | jelly-home: I can try it |
| 20:51.40 | fangle | jelly-home: maybee tomorrow, |
| 20:51.43 | stevepastelan | I'll go look at it now |
| 20:51.47 | RvGaTe | pipeline, any repos for vmware ? |
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| 20:51.50 | stevepastelan | I tried aMule and it was pretty pathetic |
| 20:52.01 | pipeline | RvGaTe: No. It's non-free; license agreement explicitly precludes redistribution. |
| 20:52.10 | jelly-home | !info mldonkey sarge |
| 20:52.13 | xand | I EAT |
| 20:52.21 | wols | jelly-home: doubtful it exists |
| 20:52.24 | streuner | rahul: ping |
| 20:52.46 | abrotman | !info mldonkey-gui sarge |
| 20:52.53 | abrotman | bah .. etch/sid only |
| 20:53.06 | abrotman | there is kmldonkey in sarge |
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| 20:53.10 | DocPlatypus | oh, in case you guys didn't know this: the Puppy [GNU/]Linux users that can't be bothered to change their nicks will all have nicks starting with "PupUser" followed by what I am guessing are about 6 or so random characters |
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| 20:53.19 | rahul | streuner: pung |
| 20:53.27 | abrotman | DocPlatypus: i think that was obvious :) |
| 20:53.40 | streuner | rahul: nevermind, i've found it by myself .. www.progpalaceradio.com |
| 20:53.41 | DocPlatypus | abrotman: it may not have been to some people |
| 20:53.45 | rahul | heh |
| 20:53.47 | fangle | jelly-home: ore u fynd i swich too torking wif ourt spalling wan ward corrakt |
| 20:53.54 | fangle | :-) |
| 20:53.56 | abrotman | fangle: did you come here for help? |
| 20:53.57 | jelly-home | fangle: wtf |
| 20:54.09 | rahul | streuner: the guy who's hosting the irc server is having connectivity issues sporadically, btw |
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| 20:54.28 | streuner | rahul: hm, how about a stream from your b-day? ;-) |
| 20:54.29 | rahul | streuner: but the station is hosted from elsewhere, and it should be ok |
| 20:54.40 | rahul | streuner: heh |
| 20:54.50 | jelly-home | fangle: I'm not a native spearker, I rely on the spelling to understand the words, not on how they sound like |
| 20:54.54 | rahul | streuner: ask the PPUSA organizers :) |
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| 20:56.00 | stevepastelan | jelly-home: Unfortunately, mlDonkey is not quite ready |
| 20:56.09 | stevepastelan | jelly-home: It doesn't support protocol obfuscation |
| 20:56.23 | fangle | i just find it amazing that people tell me i cant spell, which is stupid since i know i cant, which is ironic, because its not a skill i even want, my skills are specialised |
| 20:56.23 | streuner | rahul: when is the party? ;-) |
| 20:56.23 | wols | what is protocol obfuscation? for BT? |
| 20:56.30 | stevepastelan | wols: no, for ed2k |
| 20:56.43 | wols | how would it get obfuscated? and what for? |
| 20:56.43 | rahul | streuner: oct 4 |
| 20:56.53 | simonrvn | SIGSEGV |
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| 20:56.56 | stevepastelan | wols: give me a second, I'll find you a link |
| 20:56.59 | jelly-home | wols: to download warez, duh! |
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| 20:57.01 | rahul | streuner: www.progpowerusa.com |
| 20:57.06 | abrotman | rahul is two days "younger" than me |
| 20:57.09 | rahul | streuner: the showcase is my birthday |
| 20:57.15 | stevepastelan | wols: main reason is to bypass ISP traffic shaping |
| 20:57.24 | rahul | abrotman: october is FULL of birthdays |
| 20:57.28 | stevepastelan | wols: it's required to have a full connection to any of the big servers |
| 20:57.33 | abrotman | rahul: almost one every day! |
| 20:57.38 | rahul | I'm usually celebrating one birthday a week |
| 20:57.40 | rahul | heh |
| 20:57.52 | stevepastelan | wols: http://www.emule-project.net/home/perl/help.cgi?l=1&rm=show_topic&topic_id=848 |
| 20:57.57 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: uh, why not switch to a better isp |
| 20:57.59 | rahul | some weeks there are 2. actually the week of my birthday, 2 other close friends have birthdays |
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| 20:58.30 | stevepastelan | jelly-home: here in Toronto, we're the unfortunate victims of an ISP oligopoly |
| 20:58.37 | stevepastelan | jelly-home: no real choice :| |
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| 20:58.50 | stoned | cool I got a buyer for my china cabinet, entertainment center and stereo and dvd/tv |
| 20:58.53 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: however wine has been getting rather good lately so your app might work with little or no tewaking |
| 20:59.00 | stoned | soon as I sell my shit by wed im outta here baby |
| 20:59.02 | stevepastelan | jelly-home: That's a fact |
| 20:59.03 | fangle | abrotman: how old are you? |
| 20:59.09 | stoned | ageless |
| 20:59.10 | stoned | ! |
| 20:59.10 | DocPlatypus | "traffic shaping" is a nice way of saying "choking bandwidth down to a useless value" |
| 20:59.22 | stevepastelan | jelly-home: I use Mac OS and I run eMule with wine right new |
| 20:59.23 | stevepastelan | now* |
| 20:59.34 | stevepastelan | jelly-home: I just wanted to move the process to a headless Debian box |
| 20:59.51 | stevepastelan | DocPlatypus: that's exactly correct :)) |
| 21:00.11 | stevepastelan | I guess I'll need an X server.. |
| 21:00.19 | stevepastelan | and some sort of window manager.. |
| 21:00.26 | stevepastelan | I was thinking Xvnc |
| 21:00.26 | simonrvn | x server for a headless box ? o_O |
| 21:00.30 | stevepastelan | so I can access it remotely |
| 21:00.35 | rahul | uh |
| 21:00.39 | rahul | ever heard of ssh? |
| 21:00.43 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: Xming. If you're running testing/unstable with newest wine or a self-built version, I suppose you can run X apps over ssh+forwarding |
| 21:00.45 | stevepastelan | But I'm sure you have better ideas :) |
| 21:00.46 | fangle | DocPlatypus: that is such a bad poorly ocnceieve statement, traphic shaping isnt about 'choking' its about being efficient, just that from my guesses stevepastelan is a numpty and is warezing, so his isp has made things more efficient by smacking him on the bottom |
| 21:00.48 | abrotman | !be an ssh barbie |
| 21:00.48 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 21:00.50 | wols | stevepastelan: xvfb is what you need |
| 21:01.03 | stevepastelan | I'm in stable right now.. |
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| 21:01.16 | wols | xvnc is better since it can run it like "screen" can. xming can't do this |
| 21:01.20 | fangle | abrotman: is there a d-i specific chan? |
| 21:01.25 | jelly-home | simonrvn: hm. You can still build your own wine. |
| 21:01.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:01.28 | jelly-home | oops |
| 21:01.32 | fangle | abrotman: where to? |
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| 21:01.35 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: hm. You can still build your own wine. |
| 21:01.37 | abrotman | fangle: why? |
| 21:01.41 | simonrvn | e.g., 'big servers', wtf is 'the big servers' ? |
| 21:01.41 | rahul | why do you need long-running GUI apps on a server? |
| 21:01.44 | abrotman | fangle: is your swraid still messed up? |
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| 21:02.09 | DocPlatypus | apparently a lot of ISPs look at what's in the packets and decide to choke the bandwidth based on that |
| 21:02.09 | fangle | abrotman: i have d-i issues, nar, its not soft raid, but close, its lvm on sun disk labels |
| 21:02.11 | simonrvn | jelly-home: i don't drink ;p |
| 21:02.14 | DocPlatypus | "common carrier" my ass |
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| 21:02.41 | abrotman | fangle: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net .. dunno if anyone is actually there though .. |
| 21:02.50 | jelly-home | simonrvn: the alcohol is only emulated! |
| 21:02.51 | simonrvn | my problem isn't my isp, it's my hub hehe |
| 21:02.54 | streuner | abrotman: many |
| 21:02.56 | simonrvn | jelly-home: hehe |
| 21:03.02 | stevepastelan | rahul: I need eMule, as it's the only ed2k client I know that supports protocol obfuscation |
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| 21:03.04 | abrotman | streuner: i mean actually awake now :) |
| 21:03.05 | wols | simonrvn: still that same hub? |
| 21:03.10 | simonrvn | my isp is nice to me, they're a small one |
| 21:03.13 | simonrvn | yeh :( |
| 21:03.15 | fangle | abrotman: i used automagic's for his install, but it created the filesystems from 0-> for 'whole disk' and from 0-> for /boot |
| 21:03.19 | streuner | abrotman: 'fjp' is usually there |
| 21:03.23 | stevepastelan | simonrvn: 90% of eDonkey users are concentrated in 5-6 servers |
| 21:03.30 | simonrvn | it's acting better right now, i get above 30K/s |
| 21:03.30 | abrotman | fangle: and ? |
| 21:03.41 | simonrvn | stevepastelan: i don't care |
| 21:03.47 | abrotman | fangle: does it work/install ? |
| 21:03.48 | stevepastelan | simonrvn: You asked. |
| 21:03.50 | fangle | abrotman: and so lvm overwrote the disk label?:) |
| 21:04.02 | abrotman | so?! |
| 21:04.05 | simonrvn | it was rhetorical |
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| 21:04.11 | abrotman | just get a post-it and relabel it! |
| 21:04.18 | fangle | abrotman: so its fucked |
| 21:04.31 | fangle | abrotman: boto should be from block 1 -> |
| 21:04.32 | abrotman | ShieldsUp! |
| 21:04.32 | x_link | I want to make a link to nvidia-settings on my desktop. |
| 21:04.40 | simonrvn | *shwing* |
| 21:04.46 | x_link | Create --> Link To Application. But I don't know what to do there |
| 21:04.54 | abrotman | fangle: okay .. so ask them why the partition gui did that .. or from the installer do it manually |
| 21:05.01 | x_link | Could somebody help me with that? |
| 21:05.05 | x_link | I use KDE. |
| 21:05.19 | fangle | abrotman: yah, i'll go chat with them, thought i'd settle your curiosity though :) |
| 21:05.28 | fangle | abrotman: thanks for zee chan |
| 21:05.42 | stevepastelan | wols: Xvfb does look tempting, but I need to have some graphical interaction with the client, unfortunately |
| 21:05.43 | abrotman | fangle: i saw you asking before .. but i got wrapped up in something else .. |
| 21:05.52 | abrotman | didn't see if there was a resolution |
| 21:05.52 | simonrvn | ssh+x apps |
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| 21:05.59 | simonrvn | easy as fuck |
| 21:06.06 | simonrvn | don't need an xserver installed |
| 21:06.07 | wols | stevepastelan: xvnc |
| 21:06.12 | simonrvn | or vnc anything |
| 21:06.15 | fangle | abrotman: *shrug* i worked it out myself between :> |
| 21:06.24 | abrotman | i saw norc asking questions :) |
| 21:06.32 | simonrvn | using vnc is just extra overhead |
| 21:06.35 | wols | simonrvn: will those x apps run while you are disconnected with your remote X server? |
| 21:06.51 | simonrvn | not running an xserver, it's not even installed |
| 21:06.56 | simonrvn | only the local one is |
| 21:07.09 | wols | on the client side you need an xserver to look at the ssh+x apps combo |
| 21:07.12 | wols | xming or such |
| 21:07.24 | wols | will those x apps continue to run when xming isn't connected? |
| 21:07.41 | simonrvn | don't say client in ref. to x, you'll confuse me. say remote or local |
| 21:07.52 | fangle | abrotman: yah, it wasnt easy to confirm as a bug too but i spoke with some guys who got same hardware as me, and they got it looking more humane http://rafb.net/p/sdOcF813.html see there this guy got his from 1, though his is swap/raid system |
| 21:08.08 | wols | right. so what happens if your local xming server is closed? |
| 21:08.12 | stevepastelan | I think wols is right |
| 21:08.15 | stevepastelan | rather |
| 21:08.17 | stevepastelan | I have the same question ;p |
| 21:08.21 | simonrvn | no they won't run. so? |
| 21:08.25 | fangle | abrotman: since it works.. becaues block 0 of sda is mirrored on block 0 of sda1 |
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| 21:08.32 | simonrvn | i don't run xming ;p |
| 21:08.34 | wols | simonrvn: well, with xvnc they do |
| 21:08.36 | stevepastelan | will the X client on the headless box continue running if the X server is disconnected |
| 21:08.46 | stevepastelan | (if connecting over SSH) |
| 21:08.48 | simonrvn | and, this is useful how? |
| 21:08.52 | wols | which is the important part for him when he runs a p2p client that should run 24/7 |
| 21:08.58 | abrotman | fangle: is that yours or his ? |
| 21:09.01 | simonrvn | -_- |
| 21:09.12 | wols | it allows him to disconnect, reboot etc his desktop while the x apps on the server chugg along |
| 21:09.17 | fangle | abrotman: his |
| 21:09.24 | simonrvn | i don't do that stuff, and even if i did, i wouldn't be running an x app to do that... |
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| 21:09.40 | wols | basically xvnc gives you what screen gives you for pure ssh |
| 21:09.43 | simonrvn | ssh+screen |
| 21:09.43 | fangle | abrotman: http://phpfi.com/211521 http://phpfi.com/211491 thats mine |
| 21:09.51 | wols | he wants to run one. why is beyond me but he does |
| 21:10.19 | stevepastelan | thank you wols :) |
| 21:10.22 | stevepastelan | Xvnc it is :D |
| 21:10.31 | stevepastelan | apt-get install vncserver is what I need? |
| 21:10.36 | abrotman | fangle: seems wrong ... |
| 21:10.47 | fangle | wols: or u can run a headless xserver on the xclient server and xmove the clients |
| 21:11.27 | wols | xmove them? |
| 21:11.31 | Ciantic | I'm sorry, this is not fully ontopic, but anyone set reverse with bind9? Is it not allowed to set reverse only for one IP? does it always have to be group of IP's? |
| 21:11.52 | simonrvn | what? |
| 21:12.05 | DocPlatypus | Ciantic: that's the way reverse DNS always worked |
| 21:12.20 | Ciantic | DocPlatypus, excuse me? for group of IP's? |
| 21:12.53 | fangle | wols: xmove shifts shit between xservers |
| 21:12.53 | DocPlatypus | Ciantic: unless your ISP delegates you a zone with just your IPs in them, yes, it's by class C (/24) |
| 21:12.56 | simonrvn | depends on your configuration needs... |
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| 21:13.13 | fangle | wols: i hate vnc |
| 21:13.16 | fangle | *cough* |
| 21:13.19 | Ciantic | DocPlatypus, well I only have one IP for my virtualserver |
| 21:13.21 | simonrvn | classes are so 1970s |
| 21:13.32 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 21:13.33 | wols | fangle: who doesn't |
| 21:13.51 | stevepastelan | I'll try both :) |
| 21:13.52 | wols | but it's the only solution I found (way back when in 2.0 days) to get a "GUI screen" |
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| 21:13.57 | wols | on a headless box |
| 21:14.23 | stevepastelan | Is there a window manager that you can recommend for this? |
| 21:14.31 | stevepastelan | I guess gnome or KDE would be overkill for this |
| 21:14.40 | simonrvn | openbox |
| 21:14.46 | abrotman | you could just run X and the single application |
| 21:14.50 | wols | any *box will do |
| 21:15.05 | Ciantic | DocPlatypus, I find myself wondering can I just create bigger and set one IP from there (the one I actually am trying to reverse as reverse) |
| 21:15.15 | wols | simonrvn: is there some comparison chart or whatever for the gazillion different *box WMs? |
| 21:15.22 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 21:15.22 | dpkg | hmm... xwinman is <URL:http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/> |
| 21:15.22 | stevepastelan | abrotman: I guess I could :)) |
| 21:15.28 | abrotman | bah .. xwinman.org |
| 21:15.36 | stevepastelan | oh, thanks dpkg :) |
| 21:15.40 | stevepastelan | I mean |
| 21:15.42 | RvGaTe | Im trying to install VMware using the wizard that comes with the binary package. At the point where it needs to find a suitable vmmon module it fails. When trying to create the module for me, it fails in finding the C header files in the kernel source tree inside /usr/src/linux/include/. without this, i cant install vmware... any idea's? |
| 21:15.44 | stevepastelan | abrotman |
| 21:15.45 | stevepastelan | lol |
| 21:15.45 | simonrvn | i just use obox 'cause it's the newest and (more) actively developed, last i checked |
| 21:16.00 | simonrvn | dumb reasons but wtf |
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| 21:16.11 | stevepastelan | openbox looks nice |
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| 21:16.20 | simonrvn | configs are xml |
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| 21:16.47 | asg | simonrvn: still use fluxbox here, but I've got the config just the way I like it |
| 21:16.50 | abrotman | oooh .. it uses a buzzword .. must be good |
| 21:17.00 | asg | !vistasmite abrotman |
| 21:17.12 | simonrvn | abrotman: bah |
| 21:17.23 | abrotman | !kikismite simonrvn |
| 21:17.24 | simonrvn | it was a warning |
| 21:17.47 | stevepastelan | oh |
| 21:17.49 | stevepastelan | fluxbox |
| 21:17.53 | stevepastelan | I had that on my last debian box |
| 21:17.57 | fangle | fluxbox++ |
| 21:17.58 | stevepastelan | it was amazing |
| 21:18.06 | stevepastelan | it was a cyrix 150mdz |
| 21:18.07 | EvilSporkMan | why does apt-get insist that the official version of a package i built myself with dpkg-buildpackage and installed with dpkg is an "update" |
| 21:18.08 | stevepastelan | mhz* |
| 21:18.08 | wols | simonrvn: not the worst reason. I currently use fluxbox on my little notebook, but will look at obox now |
| 21:18.24 | stevepastelan | with like 32MB ram |
| 21:18.29 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: put a hold on it .. or pin it |
| 21:18.31 | fangle | wols: openbox doesnt have tabs |
| 21:18.48 | wols | tabs for what? I didn't see tabs in fluxbox either. ever |
| 21:18.53 | simonrvn | i don't like the way they implemented the tabs |
| 21:18.54 | fangle | :D |
| 21:19.00 | wols | do you man virtual desktops? |
| 21:19.11 | asg | fangle: who needs tabs when you can have unlimited workstations full of rxvts? |
| 21:19.16 | simonrvn | they're overhyped imo |
| 21:19.22 | simonrvn | (tabs) |
| 21:19.26 | fangle | you mised out totaly on fluxbox's power feature |
| 21:19.43 | simonrvn | i have 9 desktops, plenty for me =) |
| 21:19.54 | fangle | um?:) |
| 21:19.56 | abrotman | 9 desktops should be enough for anyone |
| 21:20.00 | asg | simonrvn: there's room for one more ;) |
| 21:20.18 | fangle | asg: you seem to be tlaking about a different subject |
| 21:20.22 | simonrvn | nah, 9 works out to 3x3, i like the symmetry |
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| 21:20.53 | asg | fangle: just joshing simonrvn; we're old friends |
| 21:20.58 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 21:21.52 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: pin isn't working, tried priority 500 and 900 =\ |
| 21:22.12 | abrotman | put a hold on it |
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| 21:22.28 | EvilSporkMan | won't that stop an upgrade to an actual new version>? |
| 21:22.35 | simonrvn | yes |
| 21:22.41 | abrotman | make up your mind! |
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| 21:22.58 | EvilSporkMan | it's not a new version; apt is just hell-bent on installing the official one instead of my patched version |
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| 21:23.09 | abrotman | hold! |
| 21:23.10 | simonrvn | that's why he said put it on hold |
| 21:23.36 | enouf | hold on |
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| 21:23.41 | uptownben | Hey All. |
| 21:23.42 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 21:23.52 | EvilSporkMan | perhaps i'm not understanding. Current version is 2.0.3. I want 2.1 to be installed automatically when 2.1 is packaged. Will a hold still allow that? |
| 21:23.59 | abrotman | no |
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| 21:24.07 | EvilSporkMan | so why do i want a hold? |
| 21:24.15 | wols | EvilSporkMan: what is your version? 2.0.3 too? |
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| 21:24.24 | simonrvn | just keep an eye on it, and allow the 2.1 to be installed when it comes |
| 21:24.31 | wols | when the debian repo is 2.0.3 |
| 21:24.31 | uptownben | tryin to get my sound working, using alsa speaker-test works, but nothing else does. |
| 21:24.48 | dewbie | hi all |
| 21:24.48 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: when 2.1 comes down the line .. it will tell you it's held back .. just apt-get install <pkg> |
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| 21:25.26 | Anandir | Hi everyone. Someone know how to solve the problems with some "unreconigzed" jacks on a laptop with a Intel HDA audio card? |
| 21:25.30 | enouf | EvilSporkMan: as abrotman said, a direct apt-get will override a hold .. IINM |
| 21:25.42 | Anandir | Thanks anyway^^! Debian rocks xD! |
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| 21:25.50 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: ah, i missed that part |
| 21:25.52 | abrotman | unrecognized ? |
| 21:26.08 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: don't they teach you anything at Uni anymore? :) |
| 21:26.19 | asg | abrotman: beer FTW |
| 21:26.25 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: here at the University of Michigan we use RHEL @_@ |
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| 21:26.38 | EvilSporkMan | and it's not like you can install packages on university computers anyway |
| 21:26.41 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: at least you get brats ? |
| 21:26.42 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:26.55 | EvilSporkMan | i don't like bratwurst |
| 21:26.58 | abrotman | freak |
| 21:27.05 | asg | abrotman: I thought they were wolverines |
| 21:27.11 | abrotman | next you'll tell us you don't like melted cheese or eggs .. |
| 21:27.12 | EvilSporkMan | we are wolverines |
| 21:27.23 | streuner | haha |
| 21:27.23 | abrotman | asg: they are ... MSU is the spartans |
| 21:27.40 | EvilSporkMan | what package do i install to make my video card fan stop making that awful noise? |
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| 21:27.41 | alexschworer | THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 21:27.54 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: superglue |
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| 21:28.06 | streuner | sledgehammer! |
| 21:28.11 | asg | abrotman: the high school I went to was the spartans also; should have been called the 'just a pinch between the tongue and gums' crowd |
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| 21:28.21 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
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| 21:29.37 | Anandir | abrotman: Yeah. The sound works fine but if I plug some headphone on it's jack... Simply the sound continue to come from the cases--- |
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| 21:29.56 | Smoked1_ | I installed a new kernel using apt-get but the new kernel does not seem to have iptables enabled. How do I fix this? |
| 21:29.57 | abrotman | Anandir: maybe ask #alsa |
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| 21:30.10 | Anandir | Hum... Thanks^^ |
| 21:30.10 | abrotman | Smoked1_: i'd find that .. odd |
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| 21:30.50 | Smoked1_ | I suppose I could be wrong but apf is telling me that it can't find it |
| 21:30.54 | Smoked1_ | I'll try again. |
| 21:31.16 | Kaon | Smoked1_, what kernel version was it? |
| 21:31.26 | Kaon | I've seen some strange things relating to NetFilter in 2.6.20 |
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| 21:31.39 | Smoked1_ | 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Wed Feb 21 16:48:19 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:31.43 | enouf | that's not an "apt-get" kernel |
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| 21:31.44 | abrotman | it has iptables |
| 21:32.02 | enouf | that was meant for Kaon |
| 21:32.06 | RvGaTe | How do i get a list of loaded modules, and how to i completely remove one ? (i got some modules that aren't used anymore, and i dont want them to load) |
| 21:32.15 | jelly-home | Smoked1_: are you running iptables as root? |
| 21:32.33 | Kaon | enouf, 2.6.18-4-k7 isn't, or 2.6.20? I'd be really surprised if .20 was in the repo yet... |
| 21:32.35 | Smoked1_ | Yes, I think maybe it is just an issue with apf |
| 21:32.51 | enouf | Kaon: 2.6.18-4 is .. your 2.6.20 is not |
| 21:33.03 | Kaon | enouf, yeah, I would hope not |
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| 21:33.30 | jelly-home | !info apf etch |
| 21:33.50 | jelly-home | Smoked1_: btw is this apf stuff packaged? |
| 21:33.54 | theblue | I'm using etch, and I want to use bittornado or bittorrent in the console, but when I try to run either program, nothing happens. |
| 21:33.59 | Smoked1_ | no it's not |
| 21:34.16 | Smoked1_ | but was working before installing new kernel |
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| 21:34.51 | bzed | theblue: did you read the manpage/docs to bittorrent? |
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| 21:35.53 | enouf | Smoked1_: try a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ..maybe you have some funky debconf config that didn't do that upon installation |
| 21:36.07 | abrotman | theblue: i think you have to give it the torrent ... |
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| 21:36.26 | tns | hi |
| 21:36.29 | Smoked1_ | enouf: i give that a shot |
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| 21:36.35 | Anandir | A Etch installation (with IceWm i.e.) could work fine on a old PC?!? |
| 21:36.35 | Anandir | Something like a Pentium or a 486 with 32Mb of RAM? |
| 21:36.36 | Smoked1_ | my errror is:Unable to load iptables module (ipt_state), aborting. |
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| 21:36.50 | EvilSporkMan | Anandir: sure, why not? |
| 21:36.51 | abrotman | Anandir: slow .. very slow |
| 21:36.58 | tns | i'd like to disable ipv6 on debian how can i do that? |
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| 21:37.10 | Coweater | graphics aren't fun on such a machine |
| 21:37.19 | abrotman | Anandir: i have a 486 DX2/66 with 36MB .. it takes a while to start blackbox |
| 21:38.06 | EvilSporkMan | graphics are for wusses; use gpm! |
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| 21:38.10 | streuner | pretty useless to run X at all with 36 MB |
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| 21:38.19 | StarWars | E: Couldn't find package java i use Sarge |
| 21:38.29 | abrotman | !tell StarWars about install java |
| 21:38.35 | theblue | bzed, Doesn't return anything. |
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| 21:38.47 | theblue | abrotman, Makes sense, but it doesn't even return a help file. |
| 21:39.01 | tns | i'd like to disable ipv6 on debian how can i do that? |
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| 21:39.46 | abrotman | theblue: which app ? |
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| 21:40.07 | abrotman | btdownloadcurses [options ...] filename |
| 21:40.22 | bzed | theblue: as I said before, read the docs |
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| 21:40.29 | Ciantic | Is this correct line in bind9 zone file? " IN NS ns" |
| 21:40.39 | Anandir | StarWars: $ apt-get install sun-java |
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| 21:40.52 | abrotman | Anandir: he's running sarge |
| 21:40.52 | bzed | theblue: probably install bittorrent-gui, seems you don;t like the console ;) |
| 21:41.00 | enouf | tns: i suppose you could blacklist the module, but i doubt that's all or the correct way |
| 21:41.03 | jelly-home | tns: one way is to comment out "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, and replace with "alias net-pf-10 off", then reboot |
| 21:41.21 | simonrvn | that's the only way |
| 21:41.28 | Thms | !paste |
| 21:41.28 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 21:41.28 | jelly-home | simonrvn: hmm, why? |
| 21:41.49 | simonrvn | er, my bad, the other is to build a non-ipv6 kernel =) |
| 21:42.11 | jelly-home | simonrvn: yeah well ;-), I mean why wouldn't blacklisting work for example? |
| 21:42.22 | theblue | bzed, You seem to misunderstand, 'man bittorrent' doesn't give anything at all, neither does running 'bittorrent' without any options. |
| 21:42.27 | theblue | abrotman, bittorrent. |
| 21:42.47 | simonrvn | if the blacklisting works, fine, but ipv6 is one of those you can't remove once loaded |
| 21:43.11 | abrotman | theblue: should have a man page |
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| 21:43.31 | jelly-home | that's why I said to reboot, yes. But I seem to recall blacklisting didn't work for some modules, I was wondering if ipv6 was one |
| 21:43.46 | simonrvn | haven't tried blacklisting it, TBH |
| 21:43.48 | Anandir | Thanks for everythings^^. |
| 21:43.53 | jelly-home | neither O:-) |
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| 21:44.14 | simonrvn | i build it in monolithically =) |
| 21:44.31 | tns | i'd like to install 3 subnets (192.168.0.0 ;192.168.10. 192.168.2.0)how can i do that in /etc/dhcpd.conf please? |
| 21:45.06 | StarWars | E: Couldn't find package sun-java |
| 21:45.20 | StarWars | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 21:45.30 | StarWars | is on my sourcelist add |
| 21:46.22 | theblue | abrotman, It doesn't... |
| 21:46.35 | abrotman | !tell StarWars about install java |
| 21:46.37 | unlink | why are my connections over ssh being reset by peer after about 3 MB of transfer? |
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| 21:46.58 | jelly-home | StarWars: did you want sun-java5-jdk or what? |
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| 21:47.10 | bzed | theblue: /usr/share/doc/bittorrent << threre's the docu |
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| 21:47.29 | limpio | hi all, what's the latest kernel in Sid? |
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| 21:47.39 | StarWars | jelly-home yes jdk |
| 21:47.40 | unlink | no other type of connections are being reset |
| 21:48.14 | bzed | theblue: enter bt on console and press tab twice |
| 21:48.19 | jelly-home | StarWars: that is the name of the package you want then. |
| 21:48.25 | bzed | theblue: there's no 'bittorrent' executeable |
| 21:48.25 | rubenz | on the debian website it says that jigdo is supposed to be faster than normal ftp or http. But It seems to be taking a very long time to finish downloading the debian dvds |
| 21:48.41 | bzed | rubenz: use a different mirror then |
| 21:48.44 | StarWars | i dont have the pkg |
| 21:48.50 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6-686 sid |
| 21:49.01 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 21:49.06 | StarWars | E: Couldn't find package sun-java5-jdk |
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| 21:49.30 | jelly-home | StarWars: ah, sorry, didn't see you were running sarge |
| 21:49.34 | StarWars | i must update my source list to get sun-java5-jdk |
| 21:49.38 | abrotman | noone listens to me! |
| 21:49.51 | StarWars | abrotman i lisen well |
| 21:49.54 | EdLin | StarWars: download the bin and use java-package to roll your own. |
| 21:50.03 | jelly-home | StarWars: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 21:50.05 | abrotman | StarWars: the bot has told you twice how to get it |
| 21:50.26 | StarWars | [22:48:11] <StarWars> tell about java-package |
| 21:50.26 | StarWars | [22:48:11] <dpkg> No, starwars, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 21:50.29 | StarWars | ;p |
| 21:50.43 | abrotman | !tell StarWars about install java |
| 21:50.46 | abrotman | again ... |
| 21:50.50 | abrotman | !tell StarWars about java-package |
| 21:50.59 | StarWars | ok i will try easy to read`it |
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| 21:51.16 | StarWars | 10x aghain ..all |
| 21:51.25 | abrotman | what is 10x ? |
| 21:51.30 | EdLin | !10x |
| 21:51.30 | dpkg | [10x] a l33t way of saying "thank you" |
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| 21:52.00 | dustybin | !10x |
| 21:52.00 | dpkg | 10x is probably a l33t way of saying "thank you" |
| 21:52.10 | Nyle | leet? |
| 21:52.15 | Nyle | you mean lame? |
| 21:52.23 | Coweater | that's implied |
| 21:52.24 | EdLin | Nyle: leet is a mispelling of lame, of course. |
| 21:52.27 | Ndp | skilled |
| 21:52.28 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:52.33 | Nyle | oh fuck |
| 21:52.35 | StarWars | but my problem it is Whay dont work from pkg sourcelist ?:) |
| 21:52.52 | StarWars | and i must do`it manualy |
| 21:53.09 | EdLin | StarWars: welcome to the command line, it requires that you type things. |
| 21:53.15 | stoned | lol |
| 21:53.23 | stoned | im getting drunk! |
| 21:53.40 | stoned | oh man keytouch is sweet |
| 21:53.40 | StarWars | ;p |
| 21:53.44 | stoned | man this keybaord is sweet |
| 21:54.05 | stoned | I have 24 extra keys ! life is great |
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| 21:54.39 | limpio | jelly-home, thx pal |
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| 21:55.01 | theblue | bzed, Ok, thanks. |
| 21:55.08 | StarWars | http://www.pastebin.ca/381474 java problem i paste my sourcelist |
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| 21:56.35 | enouf | !10q |
| 21:56.35 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 quarts, please spell it out: "thank you". IRC doesn't charge you by the character. |
| 21:56.35 | stoned | StarWars: seems fine |
| 21:56.35 | stoned | I dunno if java is in sarge. last I check it was only in etch, you mean jre eetc. |
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| 21:56.36 | stoned | StarWars: what java problem? |
| 21:56.36 | stoned | well etch/sid |
| 21:56.36 | abrotman | !java-package |
| 21:56.36 | dpkg | somebody said java-package was a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 21:56.37 | StarWars | but dont work on apt-get install java or JDK |
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| 21:56.38 | stoned | yeh its not called hat |
| 21:56.38 | stoned | that |
| 21:56.45 | EdLin | StarWars: that's because that's not what the instructions say. |
| 21:57.02 | EdLin | StarWars: do you have trouble reading? Look at the above. |
| 21:57.08 | stoned | !info sun-java5-jre sarge |
| 21:57.20 | stoned | not in sarge |
| 21:57.21 | StarWars | EdLin Yes. no so well english |
| 21:57.28 | jelly-home | stoned: there is none, he has to use java-package |
| 21:57.30 | Kaon | !info xfce4 sarge |
| 21:57.33 | stoned | jelly-home: i thought as much |
| 21:57.36 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 21:57.56 | abrotman | if StarWars had used backports.org like i suggested .. it wouldn't be a problem ... |
| 21:57.57 | EdLin | StarWars: dpkg is telling you commands, not much english there. |
| 21:58.06 | stoned | lol |
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| 21:58.15 | stoned | abrotman: may I msg you |
| 21:58.30 | abrotman | you asked permission .. how cute :) |
| 21:58.34 | stoned | :) |
| 21:58.35 | abrotman | i don't care |
| 21:58.49 | Kaon | people in other channels tend to get pissy on uninvited PMs so it makes sense |
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| 21:59.05 | enouf | this one too .. and for good reason |
| 21:59.19 | dan2 | how do I delete a dead tun0 interface |
| 21:59.29 | Kaon | It just seems like good nettiquette to ask first *shrug* |
| 21:59.49 | jelly-home | dan2: man tunctl? |
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| 22:00.13 | dan2 | jelly-home: that doesn't exist on my system |
| 22:00.47 | stoned | abrotman: Im packing will be out in a week |
| 22:00.51 | stoned | re.. |
| 22:00.52 | stoned | whoops |
| 22:01.01 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:01.12 | StarWars | EdLin ok i understund. But :) my problem it is whay last Install of my server work with apt-get install sun-java5-jdk , and now no more "Fresh Debian Sarge" |
| 22:01.33 | EdLin | StarWars: because it had backports.org, or it wasn't Sarge. |
| 22:01.57 | EdLin | StarWars: don't worry about that not working, do it a different way. THE WAY WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU OVER AND OVER! |
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| 22:02.14 | EdLin | sigh |
| 22:02.33 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:02.56 | StarWars | ok i get`it |
| 22:03.00 | enouf | !tell StarWars about nie |
| 22:03.00 | StarWars | 10x all |
| 22:03.05 | enouf | !tell StarWars about releases |
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| 22:03.19 | jelly-home | dan2: for some reason it's in uml-utilities package (in etch here). There's probably a /proc or /sys interface, but I don't know where it is |
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| 22:03.45 | dan2 | k |
| 22:03.56 | StarWars | no mote tell :)) 10x i go dwl the Jdk pkg and i use fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; . as abrotman teachme :) |
| 22:04.10 | empath | hm |
| 22:04.12 | StarWars | thanks to all |
| 22:04.13 | abrotman | i teach! |
| 22:04.21 | StarWars | yeah teach |
| 22:04.24 | asg | abrotman: not English apparently |
| 22:04.39 | abrotman | teach teach! |
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| 22:05.07 | EdLin | Reminds me when I saw Plander Z. "Say it like an engrish teacher!" (Japanese band.) |
| 22:05.23 | StarWars | :) |
| 22:05.24 | abrotman | asg: can i get detention ? |
| 22:05.44 | asg | abrotman: after school no less |
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| 22:06.02 | abrotman | asg: do they have "pretention" ? |
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| 22:06.30 | asg | abrotman: yeah, it's full of wannabes |
| 22:06.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:06.45 | stoned | you know |
| 22:06.48 | dan2 | asg! |
| 22:06.49 | stoned | detention is good |
| 22:07.14 | StarWars | yeah Java ;)) ask register ..we must make a Free User of #debian to give to others :) |
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| 22:07.32 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 22:07.45 | dan2 | asg: working on a software project |
| 22:08.01 | asg | dan2: taking over the world 2.0? |
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| 22:08.18 | EdLin | asg: that's what we do tomorrow night, pinky. |
| 22:08.26 | asg | EdLin: cor! |
| 22:08.43 | AndroidData | hi. can anyone point me in the right direction for server management software? by this I mean that we're having clients run servers on our machine, and we want to automatically kill off servers which are exceeding a certain amount of CPU over x seconds (i.e. if a server spikes to 90% CPU or more for more than ten seconds, it's killed) and tries to keep the RAM low? |
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| 22:08.48 | dan2 | asg: nothing wrong with taking over the world |
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| 22:09.01 | stoned | i mean the people are all about, oh god, teenagers and highschoolers are doing drugs, oh no! well, who better to do drugs than them. what are you going to fuck up so badly at that age from which you can't just jump right back. I'd fornicate a whore and the next day I find a big fat F on dick. OK? I'll take it. or how about if I blow my rent money and bet my car and house and put it on black 31 cuz my firend said do one more shot and I did. |
| 22:09.06 | AndroidData | I'd prefer it if the software would first try to kill it gracefully (-15) and then forcibly (-9) |
| 22:09.09 | asg | dan2: nothing wrong with it at all ... try catsthatlooklikehitler.com |
| 22:09.09 | stoned | I have no idea what I just said |
| 22:09.12 | AndroidData | anyone know of such software? |
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| 22:09.26 | dan2 | asg: anything that looks like hitler should be shot |
| 22:09.47 | RvGaTe | stoned, makes no sense |
| 22:09.47 | asg | bah, brb |
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| 22:09.50 | EdLin | pinky and the brain are not fond of cats |
| 22:10.05 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:10.08 | stoned | I love pinky |
| 22:10.08 | dan2 | asg: "Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the b*stards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-b*tch Hitler just like I'd shoot a snake". -- George S. Patton |
| 22:10.18 | stoned | RvGaTe: sup |
| 22:10.37 | RvGaTe | stoned, waiting for a classmate to get his asss online |
| 22:10.57 | stoned | yeh I'm dicking around with qualifying this package for debian repos. |
| 22:11.05 | stoned | damn good game, I'm in love! |
| 22:11.06 | peppe | http://www.flickr.com/photos/eecue/400210441/ ... *sigh* |
| 22:11.10 | stoned | Secret Maryo Chronicles |
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| 22:11.42 | EdLin | stoned: sounds tasty, especially with bologna |
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| 22:11.54 | stoned | processed meats suck |
| 22:12.11 | bonez39 | stoned, what kind of meats do you prefer? |
| 22:12.13 | EdLin | stoned: only if you think about how they're made.... |
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| 22:12.29 | stoned | I want my food processor to run debian |
| 22:12.40 | stoned | and then apt-get install chinese-food |
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| 22:12.42 | stoned | ahem |
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| 22:13.02 | piper69 | hi every one |
| 22:13.18 | stoned | mmm beer |
| 22:13.22 | bonez39 | stoned, let me know when you can run apt-get install <any kind of food> |
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| 22:13.42 | EdLin | bonez39: there was an old NeWS program that would order pizza. |
| 22:13.59 | bonez39 | EdLin, hmmmmm pizzzaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 22:14.21 | wols | bonez39: that will be a bad day. cause then there is some payment system built into apt |
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| 22:14.28 | stoned | what if like, 20 billion year from now, we're like colonizing deep space, and we go to and chroot a debian install to a planet! |
| 22:14.34 | stoned | be like, apt-get install mountains |
| 22:14.36 | stoned | etc. |
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| 22:14.37 | bonez39 | wols, can't have that now |
| 22:14.40 | stoned | i dunno |
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| 22:15.01 | EdLin | stoned: well, we'd have to make a planet policy. |
| 22:15.05 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:15.07 | stoned | of course |
| 22:15.12 | stoned | it must be a free planet |
| 22:15.30 | stoned | you should be able to biuld the planet by source |
| 22:15.37 | stoned | I'm gonna shush now |
| 22:15.50 | EdLin | yup |
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| 22:16.21 | wols | stoned: ever read one of the Iain M. Banks The Culture novels? |
| 22:16.27 | stoned | nope |
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| 22:16.37 | stoned | I have been reading Dennis Wheatly for a few months now |
| 22:16.41 | stoned | english occult fiction |
| 22:16.44 | stoned | very good stuff |
| 22:16.50 | EdLin | I'm into Phillip K. Dick |
| 22:17.05 | AndroidData | does anyone know of any software which will allow me to watch the programs ran by groups of users on my system (those in the "users" group) and kill their programs if their CPU/RAM goes out of line? |
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| 22:18.08 | toresbe | hey guys! |
| 22:18.13 | toresbe | stoned: you're a dick. |
| 22:18.13 | wols | EdLin, stoned read a Culture novel. great fun |
| 22:18.15 | toresbe | Bye, guys! |
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| 22:18.21 | stoned | ok |
| 22:18.23 | joe4444 | i'm looking at the list of torrents for debian 3.1r5 for i386... there are 14 |
| 22:18.24 | stoned | thank you, I guess |
| 22:18.35 | joe4444 | which do i need? |
| 22:18.40 | wols | stoned: a guy who knows what he wants |
| 22:18.50 | stoned | wols: i'll check it out |
| 22:18.52 | wols | joe4444: CD1. or the netinstall |
| 22:18.57 | EdLin | !tell joe4444 about d-i |
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| 22:19.24 | joe4444 | wols, i tried the net install but it was too limited for my newbness... i'd like something similar to ubuntu's live cd |
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| 22:19.37 | EdLin | joe4444: there ain't one. |
| 22:19.46 | wols | the full 700MB or so CD1 then |
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| 22:19.57 | stoned | there is a debian |
| 22:19.57 | wols | but there is no live CD, only an installer CD |
| 22:19.59 | stoned | !livecd |
| 22:19.59 | dpkg | methinks livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 22:20.00 | AndroidData | does anyone know of any software which will allow me to watch the programs ran by groups of users on my system (those in the "users" group) and kill their programs if their CPU/RAM goes out of line? |
| 22:20.08 | wols | like windows: pop it in boot from it, install from it |
| 22:20.21 | piper69 | hi, i am running debian 4.0 (etch), my netgear ma401 show up in cardctl ident and iwconfig but i can't use it for internet connection any help please |
| 22:20.45 | stoned | joe4444: read the install guide and go through the installer. unless you plan on being a clueless user |
| 22:20.46 | joe4444 | i just mean a CD (or 3-4) that will install a full workstation with Gnome/KDE and the basics to get a linux newb started |
| 22:20.48 | stoned | which is fine too |
| 22:21.05 | stoned | joe4444: if you want to move up from the newb stage, read the install guide and go through the debian installer |
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| 22:21.21 | Dougy | http://pastebin.ca/381505 |
| 22:21.27 | stoned | joe4444: if you have questions they will be gladly answered |
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| 22:21.40 | stoned | !tell joe4444 -about ig |
| 22:21.42 | Dougy | I regenerated locales |
| 22:21.46 | Dougy | How do you fix it |
| 22:21.47 | wols | piper69: there are logs and error messages |
| 22:22.01 | piper69 | wols: where |
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| 22:22.30 | joe4444 | i'm just curious about the other TEN cd images... most distros seem to have either 1 for a truly basic setup or 3-4 for a "full" setup... but 14?!? |
| 22:22.57 | wols | piper69: syslog, messages |
| 22:23.14 | wols | joe4444: dbian is the biggest linux distro out there |
| 22:23.21 | piper69 | wols: i don't know how, show me |
| 22:23.28 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 22:23.29 | wols | joe4444: the packages are ordered after popularity |
| 22:23.38 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 20013 packages, 1790 maintainers, 46863 MB installed size, 15687 MB compressed size. |
| 22:23.39 | wols | !tell piper69 about grounding |
| 22:23.55 | wols | popcon |
| 22:23.58 | Dougy | http://pastebin.ca/381505 | ???????? With regenerationg locales |
| 22:24.14 | wols | Dougy: set your LC_ALL env var |
| 22:24.32 | joe4444 | wols, what should i start with if i just want to try it out as a workstation? |
| 22:24.39 | wols | joe4444: btw, debain 4.0 etch will will be released RSN is 23 CDs |
| 22:24.45 | wols | CD1 |
| 22:25.25 | damog | wols: whiskas |
| 22:25.25 | abrotman | hi damog .. why no #-ot ? |
| 22:25.43 | wols | hello kitty kitty abrotman, hello kitty kitty... |
| 22:25.59 | Dougy | wols: eh? how ? adn what? |
| 22:26.00 | Dougy | and* |
| 22:26.10 | joe4444 | thanks... is there a list of brief descriptions for each CD? |
| 22:26.23 | wols | Dougy: man bash for starter |
| 22:26.24 | wols | s |
| 22:26.28 | damog | abrotman: I don't want to join a channel where I am guilty of being friendly |
| 22:26.36 | abrotman | damog: oh come on |
| 22:26.42 | wols | joe4444: no. the packages are ordered according to popcon |
| 22:27.16 | joe4444 | so how do you know which CD to get for pkg X? |
| 22:27.38 | EdLin | joe4444: you get it over the net. |
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| 22:27.41 | piper69 | wols: so u need lspci or lsmod or what |
| 22:27.45 | EdLin | !u |
| 22:27.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:27.52 | damog | abrotman: seriously |
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| 22:27.58 | Mika-chan | I need to build a custom kernel because the default does not include the CPU governors for AMD. Is there a guide available? I installed the kernel-package from synaptic, but it looks like it just dropped a tar file in the src directory. |
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| 22:28.02 | wols | no you need log files |
| 22:28.03 | abrotman | damog: join! |
| 22:28.11 | abrotman | !tell Mika-chan about kp |
| 22:28.14 | joe4444 | EdLin, you mean just rely on apt-get? |
| 22:28.20 | AndroidData | piper69: U bent een idioot. |
| 22:28.23 | EdLin | joe4444: precisely. |
| 22:28.24 | AndroidData | Dank u. |
| 22:28.28 | wols | joe4444: yes, that's how it's done |
| 22:28.29 | EdLin | !u |
| 22:28.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:28.29 | joe4444 | k, thanks |
| 22:28.29 | AndroidData | :) |
| 22:28.31 | concept10 | Mika-chan, you dont need a new kernel for that |
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| 22:28.36 | Dougy | i know how to change it, just where is the config |
| 22:28.42 | AndroidData | my "u" was valid;'I used the Dutch form of "you" |
| 22:28.47 | piper69 | AndroidData: wtf u just said |
| 22:28.50 | wols | joe4444: you only need CDs in debian with the first install. ever after you use the internet with apt-get |
| 22:28.53 | joe4444 | as long as i can get started with a GUI from CD1 i'll get by |
| 22:28.56 | wols | !nl |
| 22:28.57 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 22:29.01 | AndroidData | piper69: that you, sir, are an idiot. :) |
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| 22:29.27 | AndroidData | still waiting on my question though |
| 22:29.29 | piper69 | Adrian: when ur mom was sucking my cock she said i am smart |
| 22:29.31 | joe4444 | thanks again |
| 22:29.39 | EdLin | !ur |
| 22:29.39 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 22:29.43 | Mika-chan | concept10; I don't see the governors available. I want to throttle down the cpu speed when activity is low. Right now it is pegged at 2 GHz regardless of what the system is doing. |
| 22:29.55 | flaggy | hello. Does anyone know if gnome 2.16 is going to make it to etch? |
| 22:30.00 | EdLin | flaggy: no |
| 22:30.03 | Dougy | nvm |
| 22:30.04 | Dougy | fixed |
| 22:30.06 | Dougy | Thanks guys! |
| 22:30.08 | wols | Mika-chan: cpufreqd-get? |
| 22:30.17 | AndroidData | !smart |
| 22:30.18 | dpkg | methinks smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 22:30.21 | flaggy | EdLin: nobody knows or it won't make it? |
| 22:30.28 | concept10 | Mika-chan, sorry, I dont have time to explain, but these maybe handled by kernel modules and user space applications |
| 22:30.31 | EdLin | flaggy: etch is frozen, and near release. |
| 22:30.43 | flaggy | oh ok |
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| 22:30.47 | EdLin | flaggy: there is *no* difference between 2.14 and 2.16 practically speaking. |
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| 22:31.18 | flaggy | hm, i thought 2.16 was able to handle xorg transparency |
| 22:31.30 | piper69 | AndroidData: do you want to talk to your mom she is right here ! |
| 22:31.42 | EdLin | flaggy: so Debian should break the release process for the sake of non-free driver features? |
| 22:31.49 | wols | please stop it |
| 22:31.52 | fantasma | how is intel core-2-duo support in Linux? |
| 22:32.03 | abrotman | works fine |
| 22:32.08 | flaggy | EdLin: I'm not saying that at all |
| 22:32.08 | wols | fantasma: fully supported |
| 22:32.12 | AndroidData | piper69: amazing, because she's blind. |
| 22:32.14 | abrotman | though i installed etch |
| 22:32.15 | AndroidData | MY QUESTION (*cough*): I'm running a Linux server with some users on it. I want to make it so any application they run will be monitored by the computer: their nice levels must be automatically set to "20" (the lowest possible) and their CPU/RAM must be monitored: if the CPU goes over 80% for more than 10 seconds, it should kill the app. |
| 22:32.18 | fantasma | abrotman, what mobo you using? |
| 22:32.21 | wols | AndroidData: can yous top too? |
| 22:32.26 | abrotman | fantasma: IBM |
| 22:32.29 | AndroidData | wols: already planned. |
| 22:32.41 | EdLin | AndroidData: 20? You are seriously a sysadmin? |
| 22:32.41 | wols | don't plan, do |
| 22:32.45 | piper69 | AndroidData: no shit, thats why she start sucking my toes at first |
| 22:33.12 | AndroidData | EdLin: actually, I'm trying to find out my options. I think 10 would be better |
| 22:33.12 | wols | EdLin: sounds like he is a bofh |
| 22:33.23 | EdLin | !wols++ |
| 22:33.28 | robin_sz | EdLin, its OK, he just doesnt understand multitasking operating systems |
| 22:33.30 | concept10 | Mika-chan, lookup acpi_cpufreq (modinfo) |
| 22:33.34 | jelly-home | AndroidData: are you running a kernel with appropriate patches so that nice value is actually worth something? |
| 22:33.38 | fantasma | is the evga 680i motherboard supported in Linux? |
| 22:33.42 | abrotman | AndroidData: there is no 20 |
| 22:33.56 | AndroidData | jelly-home: server is not in yet. |
| 22:34.01 | AndroidData | abrotman: I ment 19. <_< |
| 22:34.12 | abrotman | AndroidData: please be nice to people here ... |
| 22:34.17 | robin_sz | AndroidData, does your machine run with a CPU load of less than 100? |
| 22:34.22 | AndroidData | typo + brain fart + 12am blues. sorry. |
| 22:34.26 | abrotman | piper69: you too |
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| 22:34.51 | abrotman | AndroidData: you'd have to wrap their shell i think ... or you can try ulimits |
| 22:34.52 | jelly-home | AndroidData: I suppose you could write a custom PAM module to handle the initial nice value... don't know about the 80% (of what?) over 10 seconds |
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| 22:35.00 | EdLin | AndroidData: 19 is nuts also. |
| 22:35.25 | robin_sz | ulimits is the answer I suspect, but cpu loads of less than 100, well thats just wasted CPU cycles isnt it |
| 22:35.25 | AndroidData | AndroidData: hence why I said I find a lower value (like 10) better |
| 22:35.48 | robin_sz | unless of course, someone is paying you for cpu cycles on the idle task |
| 22:35.54 | piper69 | abrotman: will do sir |
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| 22:36.14 | wols | piper69: so what does your logs say? |
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| 22:36.37 | piper69 | wols: 1 sec |
| 22:36.38 | wols | EdLin: sun and hp now do again. grid computing or something |
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| 22:36.50 | EdLin | wols: true |
| 22:36.52 | robin_sz | it'll never catch on |
| 22:37.05 | wols | sush. SUn needs money! |
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| 22:37.07 | wols | :) |
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| 22:37.17 | robin_sz | quantum coputing ... 1 cycle and its done |
| 22:37.36 | wols | robin_sz: only with an almost infinite wide "bus" |
| 22:37.38 | EdLin | robin_sz: one cycle, but the answer's in another universe. |
| 22:37.40 | rahul | EdLin: IBM still charges per unit of CPU time |
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| 22:37.47 | piper69 | wols: can i paste it in flood |
| 22:37.59 | EdLin | rahul: thought so.... |
| 22:38.09 | wols | pastebin would be better |
| 22:38.11 | wols | paste2.org |
| 22:38.20 | rahul | EdLin: that's why people who know mainframe assembly are well-paid :) |
| 22:38.42 | Mika-chan | Thanks all |
| 22:38.42 | EdLin | rahul: anything like 6502 assembly? ;-) |
| 22:38.44 | robin_sz | EdLin, nonsense. all the answers are in this universe |
| 22:38.48 | rahul | haha |
| 22:38.52 | wols | speaking of timeslots: is there a kernel patch/userland thingie where I can tell the scheduler: this process gets at most 50% CPU time overall |
| 22:39.02 | rahul | wols: why not nice it? |
| 22:39.11 | robin_sz | EdLin, probably at the same time too |
| 22:39.12 | wols | cause it will not work |
| 22:39.16 | rahul | wols: who cares how much % of cpu time? |
| 22:39.22 | wols | it's an app which will always eat all CPU available |
| 22:39.26 | jelly-home | EdLin: eh, there are people still writing demos for C64 is you want to write 6502 assembly ;-) |
| 22:39.29 | rahul | wols: so nice it |
| 22:39.32 | wols | I want it to limit to 45% so I can run two of them |
| 22:39.36 | robin_sz | Lead us not into temptation. Just tell us where it is; we'll find it |
| 22:39.44 | rahul | wols: run two of them at the same nice level and they'll split the cpu |
| 22:39.46 | wols | it also is isochronous |
| 22:39.54 | wols | it will not work |
| 22:39.56 | fantasma | is the nforce 680i chipset supported in Linux? |
| 22:40.01 | EvilSporkMan | isn't the scheduler round-robin? |
| 22:40.04 | wols | !hcl |
| 22:40.04 | dpkg | it has been said that hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 22:40.07 | EdLin | jelly-home: it was a nice instruction set for 8 bit micros at the time, incidentally, the C=64 was 6510, though basically the same. |
| 22:40.19 | wols | EdLin: 6502 |
| 22:40.22 | Kaon | 6502...the NES chip? |
| 22:40.27 | rahul | wols: it works for everyone else |
| 22:40.27 | robin_sz | z80 was nicer, |
| 22:40.29 | EdLin | wols: hmm |
| 22:40.34 | robin_sz | alternat register sets rock |
| 22:40.46 | wols | robin_sz: more expensive too. see C128 :) |
| 22:40.46 | EdLin | robin_sz: if you were willing to waste cycles on the extra instruction sets. |
| 22:40.46 | rahul | pfft. |
| 22:40.52 | rahul | it's all about the PDP 10. |
| 22:41.17 | rahul | register-mapped stack, bitfield manipulation. |
| 22:41.33 | piper69 | wols: http://pasteitto.gnea.net/14 |
| 22:41.37 | Kaon | "Murphy was an optimist?" |
| 22:41.51 | EdLin | rahul: and ITS and TOPS-10 as your choices of OS. |
| 22:42.03 | robin_sz | EdLin, I found z80 easier to code to be honest, although it did get easier when we got a compiler :) |
| 22:42.14 | rahul | EdLin: yeah, you actually had a versioned FS! |
| 22:42.15 | fantasma | !hcl |
| 22:42.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 22:42.31 | EdLin | rahul: put /etc under CVS. ;-) |
| 22:42.36 | RvGaTe | What package do i need to get the C header files? |
| 22:42.49 | rahul | EdLin: that's unrelated. |
| 22:42.58 | rahul | EdLin: version control is orthogonal to versioned FS. |
| 22:43.21 | abrotman | only because it requires you to do it manually |
| 22:43.23 | EdLin | RvGaTe: which ones? libc? |
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| 22:43.32 | wols | piper69: what name has your wlan interface? |
| 22:43.33 | RvGaTe | EdLin, gcc |
| 22:43.44 | EdLin | RvGaTe: you're compiling gcc? |
| 22:43.49 | robin_sz | anyone know of a way to get a disk image into EnCase format? will libewf do it? |
| 22:43.54 | jelly-home | wols: hmm, with -ck patchset, you can make a process use _only_ idle time |
| 22:43.56 | piper69 | wols: eth2 |
| 22:44.05 | EdLin | !gentoosmite RvGaTe |
| 22:44.10 | wols | !tell RvGaTe about build-essential |
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| 22:44.39 | wols | jelly-home: that doesn't help me. I have two isochronous processes that fight for CPU. |
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| 22:45.07 | jelly-home | wols: well, if you set the same options, hopefully they'll get the same cpu time. ;-) |
| 22:45.14 | RvGaTe | EdLin, maybe not.. kinda lost here.. trying to install vmware server, the installation halts at the message: "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel" with the default option set to: "/usr/src/linux/include" , keeps telling me that they're not there... |
| 22:45.14 | robin_sz | get another cpu? |
| 22:45.17 | wols | piper69: there is no eth2 in there mentioned. iwconfig shows it? and is eth2 in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:45.22 | robin_sz | get an emt64 xeon? |
| 22:45.33 | wols | jelly-home: how often do I have to say "ISOCHRONOUS"??? |
| 22:45.41 | RockinJack | hello everyone. I am working on my graduation project, which is a recommender system for debian packages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommender_system). |
| 22:45.52 | wols | I need predictable CPU time. real time behaviour (soft RT is enough) |
| 22:45.53 | piper69 | wols: you can shoot me bro, the card is not inserted |
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| 22:46.09 | RockinJack | I would like to test it using real user data, which would be installed package listings |
| 22:46.16 | rahul | wols: they will get scheduled alternately |
| 22:46.44 | rahul | wols: if they're at the same nice level and their I/O behavior is similar. |
| 22:46.48 | wols | robin_sz: if I got a dual core cpu, I would want to run 4 instance or more. the app itself can run on a 1GHz PIII. right now I have a ~2GHz barton. If I had a Core2Duo I'd run it 4 times |
| 22:46.51 | RockinJack | So, if any of you would be so kind as to help me, you could send the "dpkg -l '*'" output to diegop@inf.ufrgs.br |
| 22:46.52 | jelly-home | wols: SCHED_ISO: This is for tasks you explicitly want the cpu scheduler to know are low latency real-time like tasks but you don't have root privileges for and don't wish them to ever starve the machine. They can use up to 80% of the available cpu time (on one cpu at any time). This percentage is configurable via /proc/sys/kernel/iso_cpu |
| 22:46.56 | EdLin | RvGaTe: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 22:47.01 | EvilSporkMan | RockinJack: popularity contest? popcon.debian.org |
| 22:47.08 | RockinJack | not really |
| 22:47.18 | wols | rahul: I tried. it is jerky as heck and will not work. how often do I have to repeat myself? |
| 22:47.19 | RockinJack | it is more a kind of personalisation system |
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| 22:47.28 | rahul | wols: _nice them down_ |
| 22:47.30 | Vasistha | g'day all. I'm stuck at the "make menuconfig" step of kernel compilation. Getting: "/bin/sh: scripts/basic/fixdep: Permission denied" ... a google search suggested a mount point problem ... perhaps what I ought to just do is bite the bullet and move the kernel source back to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 ?? |
| 22:47.35 | RockinJack | in fact, I am thinking on leveraging on popularity contest |
| 22:47.46 | robin_sz | wols, THEN TRY A REAL RT KERNEL oops, cqaps lock |
| 22:47.46 | RvGaTe | EdLin, already installed |
| 22:47.48 | rahul | wols: are these essential system tasks or are they just background computation tasks? |
| 22:47.51 | EvilSporkMan | RockinJack: I meant to suggest that popcon might have some of this data |
| 22:47.52 | wols | rahul: then they starve. I don#t want them srarving |
| 22:47.54 | RockinJack | in fact, I'm modifying its scripts right now :) |
| 22:48.04 | rahul | wtf |
| 22:48.04 | wols | robin_sz: linux is soft RT capable afaik |
| 22:48.04 | RockinJack | sure, sure, it does in fact ;) |
| 22:48.09 | wols | but I dunno where and how to look hence my asking here |
| 22:48.10 | robin_sz | wols, what about rtai or rtlinux |
| 22:48.15 | EdLin | RvGaTe: apt-get install linux-kernel-headers |
| 22:48.17 | RockinJack | but I need per-user data as well |
| 22:48.20 | piper69 | wols: http://pasteitto.gnea.net/15, this is syslog | grep eth |
| 22:48.21 | rahul | wols: you're being very confusing here. |
| 22:48.25 | wols | robin_sz: needs to run under debian however |
| 22:48.32 | RvGaTe | EdLin, installed already to... |
| 22:48.33 | robin_sz | wols, then rtai |
| 22:48.33 | MasterRa2 | anyone.. i have a drive (hdd) which i partitioned to have 3 logical partitions hdd5, hdd6 and hdd7.. then i rebooted.. but they didn't show up in /dev! what can i do? :) |
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| 22:48.54 | Vasistha | MasterRa2: did you definitely "write" the new partition table? |
| 22:48.55 | EdLin | RvGaTe: then color me puzzled. I've never used VMWare. |
| 22:48.56 | robin_sz | there are drop-in rtai kernels in.deb format if you look |
| 22:49.01 | Kaon | MasterRa2, are the relevant entries in /etc/fstab? |
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| 22:49.16 | robin_sz | wols, probly best to avoid the rtlinux kernels though as they are closed source |
| 22:49.36 | RvGaTe | EdLin, let me pastebin you something, might be usefull |
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| 22:49.45 | MasterRa2 | Vasistha: yes i surely wrote it.. i wrote it with cfdisk.. which shows the changes, as does fdisk.. :) |
| 22:49.50 | wols | rahul: I want to run Diablo2 sevreal times on the same machine |
| 22:50.00 | rahul | eh? |
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| 22:50.05 | EdLin | RvGaTe: hopefully other people will see it too, I'm no VMWare expert. |
| 22:50.07 | MasterRa2 | Kaon: well, they are not in fstab no.. i didn't think that would make a difference.. i can add them there and give it a whirl.. |
| 22:50.09 | wols | Diablo2, the game? you know it? |
| 22:50.15 | Vasistha | MasterRa2: oh, well if fdisk -l shows the changes, perhaps all you need is to modify /etc/fstab |
| 22:50.20 | Kaon | MasterRa2, at the very least it couldn't hurt... |
| 22:50.25 | rahul | wols: what does that have to do with linux? |
| 22:50.35 | EvilSporkMan | rahul: it runs under wine |
| 22:50.39 | wols | piper69: looks like your wlan can't connect to the AP properly. look in messages, not syslog |
| 22:50.49 | jelly-home | wols: if your real-time needs aren't that heavy, I'd try -ck... I must say I've only used the desktop patch set, and don't need it for much, just to make the sound not skip when doing heavy i/o. |
| 22:50.52 | rahul | wtf is he going to do with multiple instances of the game on one machine? |
| 22:50.55 | wols | rahul: D2 runs under linux/WINE just fine |
| 22:50.55 | EvilSporkMan | robin_sz: looks like rtlinux is a separate kernel? |
| 22:51.01 | MasterRa2 | Vasistha: well, the devices arn't listed in /dev.. i can't format them (mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdd5 fails because the device does not exist) but i'll try to fix my fstab and reboot and see what i get.. |
| 22:51.10 | rahul | somebody's on crack... |
| 22:51.14 | wols | jelly-home: is there a mailinglist or something for -ck? |
| 22:51.15 | Kaon | I think 2.6.19 and 2.6.20 have realtime support, but they're not in the repos |
| 22:51.20 | robin_sz | EvilSporkMan, no, its just the standard linux kernel with some patches |
| 22:51.26 | jelly-home | wols: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ |
| 22:51.30 | wols | Kaon: I have 2.6.20.1 here and didn't see anything |
| 22:51.41 | Vasistha | MasterRa2: oh, oh ... I wonder if this is a udev issue. what kernel version are you using? uname -r |
| 22:51.43 | piper69 | wols: what do you mean by messages |
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| 22:51.54 | EvilSporkMan | wols: perhaps it is "jerky as heck" because the GPU doesn't schedule well? |
| 22:51.57 | wols | in the directory of syslog there is a file called messages |
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| 22:52.20 | wols | EvilSporkMan: it's a Direct2D games. it really doesn't need any video |
| 22:52.22 | RvGaTe | EdLin, http://pastebin.ca/381559 |
| 22:52.24 | MasterRa2 | Vasistha: eh, well of course i am committing a mortal sin.. i'm running 2.6.20-9-generic (an ubuntu kernel :$ but they were no help in #ubuntu :P) |
| 22:52.29 | robin_sz | EvilSporkMan, you can get a low-grade version of the rtlinux kernel for free, for non-commercial use, the fully patched versiosn is expensive and non-reditributable |
| 22:52.50 | wols | EvilSporkMan: it runs under vmware well, you can run it over VNC even or remoteXP |
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| 22:53.04 | wols | MasterRa2: we can't help you if you run ubuntu |
| 22:53.07 | Vasistha | MasterRa2: oh, so you are having trouble with ubuntu, and you're asking our help here? |
| 22:53.07 | robin_sz | wols, you should try rtai then, sounds just the thing for you |
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| 22:53.11 | jelly-home | wols: what do your isochronous processes do, btw? |
| 22:53.11 | MasterRa2 | Vasistha: but, udev is the first thing i thought of.. i looked around to see if there was some way to convince udev to refresh it's points.. |
| 22:53.19 | EdLin | RvGaTe: look at the error message, it appears to want to have kernel source. |
| 22:53.23 | Vasistha | MasterRa2: honestly, it sounds like an ubuntu problem. You should ask in #ubuntu |
| 22:53.26 | Kaon | Vasistha, I think he (?) said he's using a kernel from Ubuntu |
| 22:53.27 | wols | jelly-home: they run around on blizzard battlenet and give me enjoyment :) |
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| 22:53.37 | rahul | MasterRa2: don't use ubuntu and you won't have the problem |
| 22:53.44 | jelly-home | wols: ah, bots? :-) |
| 22:53.48 | Kaon | the kernel doesn't make the OS >>; |
| 22:53.49 | wols | but if it gets "too laggy" since the cpu is elsewhere I get desync |
| 22:53.56 | RvGaTe | EdLin, wich is inside /usr/src/linux/ |
| 22:53.57 | MasterRa2 | Vasistha: lol, yes, i know it's evil, but they couldn't help.. alright, well thanks for the help you did give. ill try the fstab thing and go on asking in #ubuntu.. |
| 22:54.10 | wols | jelly-home: almost. hellforge rushes streamlining :) 7 chars in one rush :) |
| 22:54.20 | MasterRa2 | rahul: ah well, actually i'm very happy with ubuntu on my desktop.. of course, i still use debian on my main server.. :D |
| 22:54.24 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 22:54.25 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 22:54.25 | Vasistha | MasterRa2: it's not that it's evil, it's that we don't know how to solve ubuntu problems. |
| 22:54.26 | MasterRa2 | thanks anyway though |
| 22:54.41 | rahul | MasterRa2: ok, so you choose to not be helpable by us :) |
| 22:55.06 | wols | jelly-home: I already acquired a SOCKS server for myself so now I can have 8 chars in one game without any kicking :) |
| 22:55.06 | stoned | hmm |
| 22:55.07 | MasterRa2 | Vasistha: well, i know, but, i thought this problem *could* be general enough.. it could just be a kernel issue.. you never know :P |
| 22:55.09 | stoned | helpable |
| 22:55.13 | stoned | is it even a word |
| 22:55.15 | rahul | stonable |
| 22:55.16 | MasterRa2 | rahul: yep |
| 22:55.25 | stoned | well I guess anything could be a word |
| 22:55.28 | Vasistha | KABOOM! aspell doesn't like the spelling, 'helpable'. A few suggestions: help able, help-able, culpable, holdable [...] |
| 22:55.29 | Kaon | MasterRa2, if your partitions aren't showing up and they're not in fstab, it is *not* a kernel issue |
| 22:55.33 | rahul | it's palpably a word |
| 22:55.38 | EdLin | RvGaTe: well, I've never ran VMWare, though I've thought of doing it. So I can't be certain what's going on wrong other than reading the pastebin. |
| 22:55.41 | stoned | RvGaTe: I would but i have no headset |
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| 22:55.58 | stoned | er.. damnit |
| 22:56.01 | stoned | fucking irssi |
| 22:56.14 | MasterRa2 | Kaon: oh? you mean like, they *should* be in fstab if i expect them to show up? |
| 22:56.20 | RvGaTe | stoned, /msg RvGaTe <your message> :P |
| 22:56.22 | Kaon | MasterRa2, um, yeah... |
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| 22:56.33 | stoned | RvGaTe: i know I thought I did it already |
| 22:56.39 | Velaskyalf | hi. i can not use "apt-setup" on debian etch. how i can add sources on sources list?? |
| 22:56.42 | wols | stoned: don't blaspheme and take the word of your Lord (irssi) in vain |
| 22:56.46 | RvGaTe | EdLin, np |
| 22:56.47 | stoned | lol |
| 22:56.48 | stevepastelan | Hi everybody |
| 22:56.56 | EdLin | Velaskyalf: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:56.57 | stoned | wols: irssi is that hot eh? |
| 22:56.57 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:57.01 | MasterRa2 | Kaon: alright. i just had no idea.. i've never had that problem before.. it doesn't seem strait-foward to me.. i mean, why would i need it in fstab before i have a filesystem on them? :-/ |
| 22:57.03 | wols | Velaskyalf: manually. the immortal gods of debian remove apt-setup in etch |
| 22:57.27 | Velaskyalf | EdLin so. where I can find adress of distro? |
| 22:57.32 | Kaon | MasterRa2, you should boot off a livecd and use fdisk for this... |
| 22:57.35 | wols | !mirrors |
| 22:57.35 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 22:57.45 | MasterRa2 | Kaon: anyway, i'm gonna reboot and see if having them in fstab makes a difference. thanks for the help, and sorry to ask in here when i shouldn't |
| 22:57.48 | Velaskyalf | thanks man. |
| 22:57.52 | Velaskyalf | I love debian :) |
| 22:58.02 | Kaon | MasterRa2, good luck, but try the livecd method too |
| 22:58.06 | wols | we do too. sometimes. in a platonic way |
| 22:58.20 | rahul | I love debian in a non-platonic way |
| 22:58.24 | rahul | !hump debian |
| 22:58.26 | Velaskyalf | yes i too.. :) platonic :) |
| 22:58.27 | MasterRa2 | Kaon: thanks |
| 22:58.34 | stevepastelan | I'm having some trouble configuring my X. I did apt-get install vncserver openbox obconf, but I must be missing something else, because the background remains grey, and there are no window decorations... |
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| 22:58.39 | stoned | if debian was a chic, I'd wreck her |
| 22:58.40 | Kaon | ...there's an actual !hump trigger. Oy |
| 22:58.46 | EdLin | Velaskyalf: I prefer to love Debian Aristotelian |
| 22:58.50 | stoned | I wouls so totally wreck that shic |
| 22:58.51 | stoned | chic* |
| 22:58.55 | Velaskyalf | lol. |
| 22:58.56 | stoned | oh man |
| 22:59.04 | stoned | the things I woudl do to debian |
| 22:59.06 | jelly-home | wols: I do not speak the gamer's lingo but understand the need for low latency in multiplayer online games. ;-) |
| 22:59.06 | stoned | you have no idea |
| 22:59.19 | RvGaTe | pipeline, you there ? |
| 22:59.22 | stoned | rahul: word |
| 22:59.24 | stoned | er.. fucking msg |
| 22:59.25 | wols | jelly-home: d2 is find with 100ms lag. it's the desync that's killer :) |
| 22:59.30 | rahul | heh |
| 22:59.31 | piper69 | wols: http://pasteitto.gnea.net/16 |
| 22:59.34 | Kaon | someone beat you to it. Someone in Japan drew an anime-style WinME and it took off from there, and now there's loads of Linux-girls too |
| 22:59.38 | wols | *fine |
| 22:59.41 | crodd1 | i am trying to get music sharing working on my local network using rhythmbox, but the client does not seem to be aware of the server. running avahi-discover on the client does not show any sign of the server's existence. both machines have rhythmbox, avahi-daemon, and libnss-mdns installed, the avahi-daemon service is running, and each machine's firewall is set to allow all traffic from the other (additionally, disabling the firewalls has |
| 23:00.14 | EdLin | gtg |
| 23:00.24 | abrotman | crodd1: you got cut off |
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| 23:00.30 | abrotman | (additionally, disabling the firewalls has |
| 23:00.38 | crodd1 | has no effect). any ideas? |
| 23:00.44 | wols | piper69: don't see anything about your WLAN card at all. the drivers for it are actually loaded? if yes, next step is attaching it to your AP (best switch off encryption for that) |
| 23:00.52 | crodd1 | i thought i was inside the limit... oops |
| 23:00.57 | abrotman | crodd1: from the server .. can you connect ? |
| 23:01.10 | wols | then you can edit /etc/network/interfaces and bring the interface up |
| 23:01.14 | piper69 | wols: i have the encryption on |
| 23:01.24 | itchi | RvGaTe: I have the same problem here. Already solved? |
| 23:01.28 | wols | and configured the encryption in debian? properly? |
| 23:01.38 | RvGaTe | itchi, no, its a pain in the ass |
| 23:01.48 | itchi | RvGaTe: Use you the .18-3 ? |
| 23:02.02 | RvGaTe | itchi, 18-4 |
| 23:02.05 | crodd1 | port 3689 is open and accepting connections, if that's what you mean |
| 23:02.06 | Velaskyalf | heyy. I have a question. will I download Contents-amd64.gz ?? and what will I do than after? |
| 23:02.11 | piper69 | wols: i think thats what i have problem with |
| 23:02.17 | itchi | RvGaTe: hhhhmm, still not fixed then :-s |
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| 23:02.41 | wols | piper69: KISS first try it without any encryption. when that works, turn the encryption back on. one step at a time |
| 23:03.28 | abrotman | Velaskyalf: download when/why ? |
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| 23:04.09 | wols | Velaskyalf: do you have a 64bit cpu? |
| 23:04.16 | itchi | RvGaTe: I think we need to examine the /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl |
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| 23:04.36 | abrotman | Velaskyalf: that file contains a list of the files and what packages they are in |
| 23:04.37 | RvGaTe | itchi, i think it has to do with the CC envirement var |
| 23:04.41 | piper69 | wols: ok i turned encyrption off, i will test it and come right back |
| 23:04.44 | mx-zoom | is it possible to make ipod be /dev/ipod instead of /dev/sd*? |
| 23:04.46 | abrotman | Velaskyalf: it's mostly for use with apt-file |
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| 23:05.10 | wols | piper69: there should be some messages on console syslog, wherever |
| 23:05.13 | itchi | RvGaTe: I dunno, to be honnest |
| 23:05.27 | wols | either when it succeeds or fails. laoding the driver should have produced some messages already |
| 23:05.32 | gregh | my debian is missing useful stuff like "man mmap". which package do I need to install to get such man pages? |
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| 23:05.43 | wols | so no driver messages makes me believe you haven't loaded the driver at all |
| 23:05.47 | abrotman | manpages-dev .. i think |
| 23:06.07 | abrotman | gregh: manpages-dev |
| 23:06.22 | wols | Velaskyalf: if you do have a 64bit cpu: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/. get a weekly etch image |
| 23:06.26 | gregh | abrotman: thanks, that was it. :) |
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| 23:15.22 | Ankman | !seen pip69 |
| 23:15.22 | dpkg | pip69 <n=piper@ip51.haverhill-highland.sfo.ygnition.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 18h 43m 4s ago, saying: 'yes'. |
| 23:15.31 | Ankman | !seen piper69 |
| 23:15.32 | dpkg | piper69 is currently on #debian (11m 8s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 10m 50s, last said: 'wols: ok i turned encyrption off, i will test it and come right back'. |
| 23:15.41 | Ankman | ah |
| 23:15.53 | Ankman | piper69: any luck with the wlan? |
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| 23:20.01 | itchi | RvGaTe: I still search about the trouble, if you find the solution, give a sign he ;-) |
| 23:20.45 | x_link | Does Debian use older versions of programs etc. than other distros? |
| 23:21.16 | rahul | x_link: debian doesn't use programs |
| 23:21.21 | karsten | x_link: Depends on the program / distro / Debian release. |
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| 23:21.29 | x_link | karsten: I use Debian etch. |
| 23:21.30 | rahul | YOU use them, and YOU install the version from the release you want. |
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| 23:21.46 | rahul | debian uses newer and older versions of programs than other distros |
| 23:21.46 | abrotman | pseubodot: mattgood |
| 23:21.46 | machiner | christ this is a big room - |
| 23:21.48 | machiner | hey |
| 23:21.50 | x_link | karsten: A guy told me he doesn't use debian anymore cause it's old. |
| 23:21.52 | karsten | x_link: See above. |
| 23:21.59 | abrotman | machiner: he's here too |
| 23:22.02 | rahul | a girl told me my ass is hot |
| 23:22.10 | karsten | x_link: Sounds like an unimpeachable source. "A guy". |
| 23:22.17 | jelly-home | rahul: hell yeah! |
| 23:22.20 | rahul | heh |
| 23:22.20 | machiner | it's always about a guy |
| 23:22.23 | rahul | she had never seen it, tho |
| 23:22.35 | x_link | It's a friend. |
| 23:22.37 | rahul | x_link: debian potato is old |
| 23:22.52 | karsten | x_link: Debian's goals are licensing and policy compliance, stability, and user interests. |
| 23:22.52 | rahul | x_link: tell him to upgrade. |
| 23:22.54 | x_link | rahul: I just wanted to ask, cause I'm trying to make him start using it again. |
| 23:23.02 | wols | x_link: debian has a very long time between releases compared to other distros |
| 23:23.13 | abrotman | pseubodot: mattgood |
| 23:23.13 | machiner | 2 years beats 5 |
| 23:23.14 | x_link | wols: Okey. |
| 23:23.17 | karsten | x_link: See http://www.debian.org/releases for general information on what the release policy is for testing / unstable / stable / oldstable. |
| 23:23.19 | wols | and in that time "stable" doesn't change one bit except for bugfixes with the exact same version |
| 23:23.23 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 23:23.33 | abrotman | karsten: don't ask :) |
| 23:23.57 | x_link | Is it "wrong" of me to start with Debian as first distro? |
| 23:24.01 | machiner | no |
| 23:24.02 | karsten | x_link: Debian stable releases happen about every 1.5 - 2 years. Nothing changes (no version upgrades of SW) other than bugfixes and security fixes. It's intended for stable environments. |
| 23:24.03 | machiner | no way |
| 23:24.03 | rahul | x_link: no |
| 23:24.08 | machiner | etch is so easy |
| 23:24.12 | machiner | too easy |
| 23:24.32 | x_link | ALOT of guys tells me that I should use Kubuntu (since I like KDE) instead. hehe |
| 23:24.37 | enouf | <x_link> karsten: A guy told me he doesn't use debian anymore cause it's old <-- stop saying silly, unsubstantiated, stupid, uninformed statements like that |
| 23:24.39 | karsten | x_link: "unstable" == versions of software change. And the whole bloody thing can break. Which it sometimes does but not terribly often. |
| 23:24.42 | machiner | yeah -- well there's that guy again |
| 23:24.47 | x_link | machiner: You mean Etch is easier than Stable? |
| 23:24.51 | machiner | ya |
| 23:25.00 | jelly-home | x_link: I'd try ubuntu if they had a clear upgrade policy... which they don't |
| 23:25.02 | machiner | way more gui widgets and some cool new functionalituy |
| 23:25.13 | machiner | ubuntu is a fleeting thing |
| 23:25.16 | karsten | x_link: ubuntu != Debian, but you can pretty much get any Ubuntu package in Debian, and moreso. ~23,000 packages for Debian last I counted, testing/unstable, with a few third-party sources. |
| 23:25.23 | machiner | but I dig what shuttleworth is doing in the world |
| 23:25.39 | x_link | jelly-home: Ok. |
| 23:25.39 | machiner | well, to be fair -- some of the stuff in etch's repos is old |
| 23:25.54 | machiner | same with ubuntu |
| 23:26.00 | wols | karsten: ubuntu comes on one CD, debian comes on 23, nuff said |
| 23:26.02 | x_link | machiner: I like Debian Etch ALOT, but I'm just asking so that I will know. |
| 23:26.05 | karsten | x_link: "testing" == unstable - ( 10 days (to let things shake out) - critical bugs (so it doesn't break as much). |
| 23:26.11 | machiner | no -- debian comes on one 54mb cd |
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| 23:26.17 | karsten | wols: That one CD isn't all of Ubuntu, however. |
| 23:26.21 | StarWars | http://www.pastebin.ca/381601 i must deinstall java i use the spkg Info ... fakeroot make-jpkg ... |
| 23:26.27 | wols | ok. point taken |
| 23:26.33 | wols | machiner: it's not all of debian |
| 23:26.35 | rahul | and the 23 cds aren't all of debian |
| 23:26.39 | machiner | ya -- |
| 23:26.39 | karsten | wols: Debian can install off of one 50MB CD, or IIRC about three floppies. |
| 23:26.40 | machiner | it is |
| 23:26.42 | machiner | all of debian |
| 23:26.45 | machiner | apt-get install |
| 23:26.47 | rahul | no. |
| 23:26.50 | machiner | why download 23 discs |
| 23:26.54 | machiner | only if you have to |
| 23:26.56 | rahul | I have stuff that's not on those 23 cds. |
| 23:26.58 | machiner | net install is it |
| 23:27.03 | machiner | 104 mb, sorry |
| 23:27.07 | wols | rahul: but it's not debian. |
| 23:27.10 | h3sp4wn | x_link: kubuntu is neglected anyway - ubuntu does quite a bit of work on gnome - kubuntu just adds slowdown |
| 23:27.11 | rahul | wols: yes, it is |
| 23:27.13 | karsten | machiner: If you can't net-inst, it might be useful. |
| 23:27.16 | zamuro | Why download 23 cds if I can perform a netinstall with a flash drive?? |
| 23:27.17 | wols | "debian" is only the official stuff in the repos |
| 23:27.17 | machiner | lokj |
| 23:27.19 | machiner | ok |
| 23:27.20 | StarWars | http://www.pastebin.ca/381601 i must deinstall java i use the spkg Info ... fakeroot make-jpkg ... I must have install java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.06 SDK :) no jre to work on my red5 |
| 23:27.22 | wols | which is on those 23CDs |
| 23:27.22 | machiner | yeah -- |
| 23:27.23 | Ronin | zamuro: for those who cant do that |
| 23:27.28 | rahul | wols: and that doesn't fit on 23 cds |
| 23:27.33 | machiner | I installed jave from apt-get |
| 23:27.36 | machiner | cake |
| 23:27.37 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Okey, so Ubuntu is better than Kubuntu? |
| 23:27.37 | wols | rahul: so what is missing? |
| 23:27.41 | rahul | sbcl 1.0.2 isn't on those 23 cds, for sure :) |
| 23:27.50 | machiner | what's sbcl? |
| 23:27.54 | zamuro | Ronin: Well... In that case, a couple dvds or 7 cds will do the work, I guess. |
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| 23:27.56 | enouf | !tardsday |
| 23:27.56 | dpkg | it has been said that tardsday is sunday |
| 23:27.59 | wols | x_link: ask #ubuntu not us |
| 23:28.06 | rahul | machiner: a compiler |
| 23:28.08 | Ronin | zamuro: and for those that dont have a dvd player/burner? |
| 23:28.09 | machiner | right |
| 23:28.11 | karsten | !why debian |
| 23:28.11 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
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| 23:28.15 | karsten | x_link: ^^ |
| 23:28.22 | zamuro | Ronin: Like I said... 7 cds. |
| 23:28.30 | rahul | overfiend's phallus! |
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| 23:28.34 | jelly-home | !overfiendsphallus |
| 23:28.35 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 23:28.36 | x_link | hee |
| 23:28.44 | x_link | I will always stick to Debian |
| 23:28.57 | rahul | keep away from his sodomotron! |
| 23:29.04 | StarWars | !tell about remove java |
| 23:29.06 | machiner | in the world of Linux -- I haven't seen a better distro than debian -- but I keep checking |
| 23:29.09 | MicroChip32 | how do i configure the sshd timeout period so my ssh sessions dont time out so soon ? |
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| 23:29.21 | abrotman | StarWars: you need a target .. /msg dpkg <blah> |
| 23:29.29 | machiner | timeout for login? |
| 23:29.31 | StarWars | i doit |
| 23:29.42 | machiner | defaults to 2 mins |
| 23:29.42 | StarWars | but ; No, starwars, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 23:29.56 | enouf | !tell StarWars -about selftell |
| 23:30.03 | StarWars | i whant to remove java JRE |
| 23:30.15 | MicroChip32 | machiner : i dunno, right now my sessions seem to time out between 10 and 15 minutes, and i know its not the client, since it doesnt do that with other servers |
| 23:30.15 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: timeout on inactivity, or at login time? |
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| 23:30.21 | MicroChip32 | inactivity |
| 23:30.29 | machiner | your router dropping connections? |
| 23:30.34 | machiner | what's your setup? |
| 23:30.37 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: you can use keepalive options on client side |
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| 23:30.52 | machiner | what he said |
| 23:31.03 | MicroChip32 | right now, default debian install, minor changes on network and iptables |
| 23:31.11 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: man ssh_config, look for KeepAlive |
| 23:31.24 | MicroChip32 | jelly-home : client does have keepalive on, and keepalive is on in sshd_config |
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| 23:31.58 | StarWars | nothing on deinstall java :) |
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| 23:32.05 | h3sp4wn | x_link: decide for yourself (kubuntu is slower than etch) - ubuntu has a newer gnome (much newer in the unstable one) - if you use kde the choice is simple |
| 23:32.10 | machiner | starwars: how did you install it?> |
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| 23:32.26 | StarWars | manualy as dpkg says |
| 23:32.38 | machiner | well, you'll see it in Synaptic, then |
| 23:32.41 | machiner | if you want a GUI |
| 23:32.44 | StarWars | fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 23:32.52 | machiner | ya -- |
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| 23:33.03 | machiner | that's how I used to do it, too |
| 23:33.08 | machiner | until my readers blasted me |
| 23:33.11 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Debian + KDE is faster than Kubuntu then |
| 23:33.12 | machiner | damned readers |
| 23:33.25 | streuner | h3sp4wn: indeed ;-) |
| 23:33.37 | StarWars | so tell me the command to deinstall ;p |
| 23:33.54 | machiner | man dpkg -- or does that make me a dick |
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| 23:34.48 | machiner | or, like I said -- fire-up Synaptic |
| 23:35.45 | StarWars | dpkg --purge java ? dpkg -r java >L:) |
| 23:35.47 | machiner | any devs around? |
| 23:35.55 | machiner | no -r |
| 23:35.59 | machiner | or, no, -r |
| 23:35.59 | StarWars | i install sun-j2re1.4_1.4.2+13_i386.deb |
| 23:36.20 | machiner | devs here? |
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| 23:37.07 | machiner | anybody play with conary on foresight? |
| 23:37.24 | zamuro | !anybody |
| 23:37.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:37.32 | StarWars | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove java which isn't installed. |
| 23:37.40 | StarWars | i install sun-j2re1.4_1.4.2+13_i386.deb |
| 23:37.56 | StarWars | java version "1.4.2_13" |
| 23:37.57 | StarWars | Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_13-b06) |
| 23:37.57 | StarWars | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2_13-b06, mixed mode) |
| 23:38.05 | machiner | well -- I asked if there were devs around -- I wanna talk about the roll back feature in cornary |
| 23:38.11 | StarWars | is in usr/lib |
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| 23:38.35 | machiner | starwars -- what are you doing? |
| 23:39.46 | machiner | ...being called for late diner... |
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| 23:40.25 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: I suppose you've set both KeepAlive settings to something significantly shorter than those 10-15 minutes? :-) |
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| 23:41.34 | jelly-home | StarWars: dude, if you installed sun-j2re1.4_*deb, you have to remove the same named package - that is, sun-j2re1.4 |
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| 23:42.20 | MicroChip32 | jelly-home : both ? in sshd_config, "KeepAlive yes" and "ClientAliveInterval 0" are the only things ive come up with to set, with no effect |
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| 23:43.49 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: there's TCPKeepAlive and ServerAliveInterval (also called ProtocolKeepAlives) |
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| 23:44.11 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: (in ssh from sarge) |
| 23:44.36 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: client-side |
| 23:45.15 | MicroChip32 | client is winblows secureCRT (need to move to putty *sigh*), server is debian. problem is server side, since client works fine on other servers |
| 23:46.04 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: it might also be in your network equipment. PIX for example. |
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| 23:46.41 | MicroChip32 | if was network equipement, why do other servers not timeout, only the one im trying to prepare for operations |
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| 23:47.21 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: No idea. Are all the others on the same subnet, using the same route from the client? |
| 23:48.21 | MicroChip32 | several of the others are the same except for the last couple hops, same main provider, but different branches of that provider, some are overseas, etc |
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| 23:49.13 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: well, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the other net equipment then |
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| 23:49.57 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: I see putty has TCP keepalives, not sure about protocol-keepalives |
| 23:50.12 | abrotman | sshd does |
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| 23:50.30 | MicroChip32 | are you suggesting that an interrim router can/will force a tcp connection to timeout ?!?!?!?!?!?!? |
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| 23:51.04 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: sure, if it has connection-tracking and forgets the connection... |
| 23:51.25 | MicroChip32 | nasty, for commercial service |
| 23:52.06 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: normal tcp connections don't get idle for 15 minutes |
| 23:52.34 | MicroChip32 | btw, ive had this same issue several times before, on boxes sitting next to each other, one would time me out in 10-15 mins, the other i could leave my connection open for days |
| 23:52.53 | MicroChip32 | never could find the relevant config option |
| 23:52.58 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: I guess you could set up a sniffer at both ends, then compare what happens. |
| 23:53.09 | MicroChip32 | hrm, good idea |
| 23:53.43 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: if the client gets a RST which the server didn't send, you know that some other piece of hw is responsible |
| 23:54.13 | MicroChip32 | yea, also can see wether keepalive packets are getting thru, and wether they stop from one end or the other shortly before disconnect |
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| 23:56.29 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 23:56.29 | dpkg | [qotd84] <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
| 23:56.45 | streuner | hm |
| 23:56.58 | jelly-home | !literal qotd0 |
| 23:56.58 | dpkg | "qotd0" is "<reply> see qotd(|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)" |
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| 23:57.29 | jelly-home | funny, qotd0 can point back to qotd0 |
| 23:57.30 | streuner | so randomly... |
| 23:57.45 | streuner | no |
| 23:57.47 | justin | what is wrong with see qotd{1..179} :) |
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| 23:58.50 | jelly-home | justin: some would have to add the {1..179} syntax to the parser? |
| 23:58.56 | simonrvn | the syntax the bot understands |
| 23:59.09 | justin | what doesn't understand the .. notation? |
| 23:59.20 | simonrvn | it's a perl based bot |
| 23:59.25 | simonrvn | and no it doesn't |
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| 23:59.40 | justin | perl -e "print 1..179" |
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