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| 00:00.04 | simonrvn | yeh, but it still doesn't understand it... |
| 00:00.58 | jelly-home | !qotd181 |
| 00:00.59 | dpkg | <rahul> god, this keyboard is getting icky |
| 00:01.05 | rahul | haha |
| 00:01.13 | rahul | I still haven't cleaned it |
| 00:01.32 | abrotman | hrm |
| 00:01.42 | flaggy | so it's now icky |
| 00:02.06 | abrotman | yay .. fixed |
| 00:02.19 | abrotman | i added "18" |
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| 00:02.42 | flaggy | !qotd18 |
| 00:02.43 | dpkg | * Guerin/#debian goes to pick his wife up from kindy |
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| 00:02.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:03.24 | simonrvn | icky with what, i don't want to know either |
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| 00:03.39 | simonrvn | probably rotted by now |
| 00:03.46 | simonrvn | or desicated |
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| 00:03.55 | findme | how do i configure my network ? everytime it boots i have to do dhclient |
| 00:03.56 | simonrvn | is that 2 or one s? |
| 00:04.07 | simonrvn | !dict desicated |
| 00:04.11 | dpkg | could not find definition for desicated |
| 00:04.17 | simonrvn | !dict dessicate |
| 00:04.19 | dpkg | could not find definition for dessicate |
| 00:04.22 | justin | desiccated |
| 00:04.26 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 00:04.28 | justin | simonrvn: irssi? install dictcomplete |
| 00:04.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: deficate ? |
| 00:04.36 | simonrvn | mm, ok |
| 00:04.41 | simonrvn | defecate |
| 00:04.46 | abrotman | see! |
| 00:04.47 | streuner | findme: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 00:04.48 | jelly-home | findme: can you pastebin the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 00:04.56 | justin | you can type des.*c.*t.*d and hit tab and it will match the word :-) |
| 00:04.59 | jelly-home | what he said ;-) |
| 00:05.01 | simonrvn | nice |
| 00:05.57 | crodd1 | i must be missing something unbelievably stupid with this avahi-daemon configuration. both firewalls disabled, each machine shows its own services in avahi-discover, port 5353 is open for UDP... they're plugged into the same switch. i don't get it. do i need something besides avahi-daemon and rhythmbox to make this sharing work? |
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| 00:06.33 | Ankman | what is avahi good for anyway? |
| 00:06.47 | Ankman | wanted to deinstall but seems to have too many dependencies |
| 00:07.12 | croddy | ankman, i've tried using an NFS mount to share my library to the other machine, but that takes about 2 hours to scan and usually crashes rhythmbox |
| 00:07.13 | abrotman | !zeroconf |
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| 00:07.20 | abrotman | bah .. Ankman it's zeroconf stuff |
| 00:07.27 | justin | croddy: each machine should show the services on the other machien as well |
| 00:07.36 | croddy | justin, i agree |
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| 00:08.24 | Ankman | oO |
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| 00:09.07 | Ankman | i don't think i need zeroconf |
| 00:09.25 | Ankman | hmm, reminds me to check why dhcp starts, or who does |
| 00:09.31 | Ankman | but seems to have to do with HAL |
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| 00:10.16 | abrotman | !zeroconf is <reply>Zeroconf or Zero Configuration Networking is a set of techniques that automatically create a usable IP network without configuration or special servers. This allows unknowledgeable users to connect computers, networked printers, and other items together and expect them to work automatically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf |
| 00:10.16 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 00:10.39 | Ankman | ty |
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| 00:10.44 | simonrvn | i have the irssi scripts package installed, loaded the dictcomplete script, heh |
| 00:10.48 | Ankman | so i try to remove it too |
| 00:10.54 | EdLin | "you're in a twisty maze of dependencies, all of them look alike" |
| 00:11.14 | simonrvn | EdLin: stop talking about redhat |
| 00:11.27 | EdLin | simonrvn: well, who invented GNOME? |
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| 00:11.34 | simonrvn | GNU |
| 00:12.01 | simonrvn | in response to the qt libs being non-free ITO at the time |
| 00:12.03 | EdLin | simonrvn: well, it is part of the name. |
| 00:12.07 | jelly-home | Gnah. |
| 00:12.13 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:12.17 | EdLin | simonrvn: RH did a lot of coders |
| 00:12.22 | EdLin | for it |
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| 00:12.26 | simonrvn | mm |
| 00:12.26 | EdLin | bah |
| 00:12.39 | EdLin | at least when it was 1.x |
| 00:12.44 | simonrvn | still do, the gnome.org site is hosted there |
| 00:12.48 | Acu | I installed PosgreSQL 8.1 in debian and create a database - how can I know If I can access it ? |
| 00:12.49 | simonrvn | also |
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| 00:12.53 | wols | EdLin: miguel deIcaza did |
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| 00:13.03 | jelly-home | did employ? did... for? did them in? |
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| 00:13.22 | oklinux | does any one know anything about dreamlinux ? |
| 00:13.26 | EdLin | jelly-home: my typing skills aren't good |
| 00:13.27 | wols | it all started with a flamewar on kdedevel about the non-freeness of Qt |
| 00:13.31 | EdLin | oklinux: it's not Debian |
| 00:13.33 | oklinux | is base on debian |
| 00:13.34 | simonrvn | Acu: try to do something to that db |
| 00:13.35 | croddy | acu, "psql databasename" |
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| 00:13.39 | EdLin | !based on Debian |
| 00:13.39 | rahul | oklinux: so? |
| 00:13.39 | wols | oklinux: we only know about debian, nothing else |
| 00:13.39 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 00:13.52 | findme_ | jelly-home, I think i figured out!! Thanks! |
| 00:14.13 | simonrvn | wols: ty for clarification |
| 00:14.23 | EdLin | wols: interesting |
| 00:14.32 | findme_ | any other linux is sacrillege. Go debian:)) |
| 00:14.43 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 00:14.45 | EdLin | findme_++ |
| 00:14.53 | jelly-home | ? /me uses ubuntu, RHEL4 and Debian |
| 00:14.56 | Acu | croddy: what should I see as output - I did psql ez and nothing happened |
| 00:15.08 | EdLin | jelly-home: well, I admit to using grml as a live CD. |
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| 00:15.22 | simonrvn | i don't care what other people use, though it is nice to meet other debianers... but other distros don't belong here, they have their own channel |
| 00:15.27 | jelly-home | EdLin: I clean forgot about that little one. ;-) |
| 00:15.45 | croddy | Acu, you should have got either a psql prompt or an error |
| 00:15.47 | jelly-home | EdLin: gotta love a livecd with lots of screens open and zsh by default |
| 00:15.59 | simonrvn | i stick to debian as much as possible, i'm comfortable with it |
| 00:16.06 | EdLin | jelly-home: it has both big and little versions, both unfortunately OT. 600MB of text utils plus a couple of small window managers. |
| 00:16.11 | simonrvn | jelly-home: oh yummy |
| 00:16.21 | simonrvn | zsh by default? NICE |
| 00:16.30 | Acu | croddy: it seem as a psql prompt |
| 00:16.38 | simonrvn | Acu: it is |
| 00:16.40 | EdLin | simonrvn: yep, and nearly truly Debian sid based. |
| 00:16.43 | croddy | good news, you can access your database. try "\d" |
| 00:16.57 | simonrvn | neato |
| 00:17.05 | jelly-home | EdLin: used it to transfer my debian installation to the new machine... grml had the sata drivers, and my old kernel didn't |
| 00:17.51 | EdLin | jelly-home: yep, a real swiss army knife. |
| 00:18.03 | simonrvn | ooh |
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| 00:19.23 | justin | Firestarter-: hey neighbor :) |
| 00:20.46 | Firestarter- | justin: do I know you? |
| 00:21.16 | EdLin | of course you know each other, you both live in the lil' ol' town of Albany. |
| 00:21.17 | justin | Firestarter-: no, though it is possible considering our proximity |
| 00:21.23 | itchi | RvGaTe: Man, with the new vmware server it's fixed |
| 00:21.23 | Acu | guys what is: "start postmaster with the -i option" ? |
| 00:21.28 | jelly-home | It's your friendly IRS investigator! |
| 00:21.36 | wols | Acu: you running postfix? |
| 00:21.41 | itchi | RvGaTe: These have a new version of 5 days old |
| 00:21.52 | simonrvn | postmaster is the pgsql daemon name |
| 00:22.02 | abrotman | or postfix |
| 00:22.07 | Firestarter- | justin: hmm I live near the vermont boarder in Granville, NY |
| 00:22.10 | itchi | RvGaTe: The version VMware-server-1.0.2-39867 |
| 00:22.26 | simonrvn | or postmaster@dom.tld |
| 00:22.55 | justin | Firestarter-: oh, I guess time warner is a little liberal in their use of 'nycap' |
| 00:22.58 | simonrvn | postfix's is just master |
| 00:23.08 | simonrvn | /usr/lib/postfix/master |
| 00:23.37 | Firestarter- | justin: yeah I'm about a half hour drive of Queensbury |
| 00:23.54 | simonrvn | /usr/lib/postgresql/8.1/bin/postmaster |
| 00:24.00 | Acu | wols: no - I just want to setup ez-publish - and when I get to the Database initialization though it recocgnizes the POSGRESQL database it does not get the user or the password - I went to comand line and use postgres user and it seem |
| 00:24.09 | EdLin | !sunday |
| 00:24.09 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:24.22 | justin | Acu: postgres by default comes setup for ident based authentication |
| 00:24.29 | simonrvn | yup |
| 00:24.46 | justin | Acu: so unless ez-publish is running as the 'ez' user and you used that user to create the database, it won't work |
| 00:24.59 | jelly-home | it's about the only thing I've seen use ident for something useful lately |
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| 00:25.22 | enouf | timewarner and comcrap are Dropping the "thirteenWorld" channel b/c they suck ass |
| 00:25.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:26.00 | enouf | as of 3/5/2007 |
| 00:26.03 | EdLin | enouf: I think I get that one on HDTV. Yet another reason to put off getting cable. |
| 00:26.14 | simonrvn | i really need to egt a static for my ppp interface, this is getting stupid |
| 00:26.31 | madd_matt | I want to migrate my debian install to a faster hard drive. Is there some app to do this or should I just use dd? I only want to migrate the first (root) partition to the new disk. Maybe I should just create a new filesystem and copy all the files? But what would that do with device nodes..... |
| 00:26.35 | Acu | justin: thanks, I am going to make a database as ez user then go back (indeed I made the database with su postgres ) |
| 00:27.03 | simonrvn | or you can specify it on the CL |
| 00:27.06 | simonrvn | -U ez |
| 00:27.09 | Guerin | madd_matt: using rsync -a, and excluding /dev /sys /proc and so on works fine |
| 00:27.10 | enouf | EdLin: it's one of the few channels out of hundreds i watch (or am interested in), out of all of boob toob world-o-rama |
| 00:27.22 | Guerin | madd_matt: you have to reinstall a bootloader, naturally |
| 00:27.39 | madd_matt | Guerin, aren't some /dev nodes needed to start the system, even before udev kicks in? Bootloader I can handle :) |
| 00:27.43 | EdLin | enouf: I figured I'd like the cowboy channel for "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" re-runs. ;-) |
| 00:27.51 | enouf | EdLin: fortunately I don;t have to subscribe to either b0z0s |
| 00:28.00 | EdLin | yup |
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| 00:28.47 | madd_matt | simonrvn, but how can you keep up with hit TV series like "The OC" without cable :O |
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| 00:28.53 | Guerin | madd_matt: nttbomk. I've done that exact thing. |
| 00:29.00 | simonrvn | -_- |
| 00:29.04 | jelly-home | madd_matt: that's what torrent sites are for! |
| 00:29.09 | Acu | justin: while I was logged as postgres superuser I did "createuser ez" and I accepted it as superuser - however how can I know made a database as ez? |
| 00:29.18 | justin | Acu: createdb -h |
| 00:29.18 | madd_matt | Guerin, nttbomk? |
| 00:29.33 | simonrvn | delete the db, then create it with -U ez, or change the owner |
| 00:29.39 | Guerin | !nttbomk |
| 00:29.40 | dpkg | Not To The Best Of My Knowledge |
| 00:29.49 | mikes | hello, i accidently deleted my .bashrc and .bash_profile files. are there any examples in my system in order to copy them??? |
| 00:29.56 | EdLin | mikes: /etc/skel |
| 00:29.56 | simonrvn | madd_matt: my point exactly |
| 00:30.09 | mikes | thanks EdLin |
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| 00:30.20 | croddy | Acu, you'll need to do something like 'psql -U ez ez' |
| 00:30.24 | simonrvn | mikes: /etc/bash or /etc/skel |
| 00:30.34 | simonrvn | er, bash.d i think, actually |
| 00:30.35 | EdLin | !simonrvn++ |
| 00:30.59 | simonrvn | wrong on both counts =) |
| 00:31.02 | simonrvn | /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 00:31.16 | mikes | thanks a lot ;) |
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| 00:31.20 | Acu | justin: how can I change the user from postgres to ez ? |
| 00:31.29 | EdLin | simonrvn: that's not a .bashrc example, it's a system-wide file |
| 00:31.39 | simonrvn | yeh, that's true |
| 00:31.44 | kelsin | mine are in /etc/skel like the first response |
| 00:31.55 | EdLin | !kelsin++ |
| 00:32.06 | simonrvn | you can stick stuffs in skel that you want users to have |
| 00:32.22 | EdLin | yep, every user created with useradd -m gets 'em |
| 00:32.27 | simonrvn | then when you create a non-system user it gets that stuff |
| 00:32.39 | simonrvn | or is it *every* user? |
| 00:32.41 | stevepastelan | Hello! I am having problems with openbox.. it crashes with a core dump as soon as I right click on the desktop (and doesn't display anything). Also, it spews some errors about not being able to find config and menu files. I apt-get install'd it from debian stable. Here's the output: http://rafb.net/p/sEmG3K56.html Maybe you guys have some ideas? |
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| 00:32.59 | simonrvn | re-install it? |
| 00:33.03 | EdLin | simonrvn: I'm not sure, I think only ones created with a home directory. |
| 00:33.04 | stevepastelan | (DISPLAY variable is set correctly, X server is running) |
| 00:33.09 | justin | stevepastelan: maybe you are missing the 'menu' package? |
| 00:33.13 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 00:33.18 | stevepastelan | justin: I probably am! |
| 00:33.22 | stevepastelan | let me go install it :) |
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| 00:33.50 | stevepastelan | menu is already the newest version. |
| 00:33.52 | simonrvn | EdLin: makes sense |
| 00:35.03 | simonrvn | re-install openbox |
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| 00:35.45 | stevepastelan | will apt-get remove openbox && apt-get install openbox do the trick? |
| 00:35.54 | simonrvn | --reinstall |
| 00:36.11 | stevepastelan | erm |
| 00:36.12 | robin_sz | purge! |
| 00:36.13 | virgomoon | quick question guys .. I've got one of the new Intel Macs .. which distro do I need, the i386? I'll be using "Parallels" to setup a virtual machine |
| 00:36.16 | stevepastelan | --reinstall to which one? |
| 00:36.27 | simonrvn | omit first, add to 2nd |
| 00:36.46 | simonrvn | man apt-get |
| 00:36.55 | kelsin | virgomoon: yes i386 since you have an intel chip (unless someone else knows something I don't about them) |
| 00:37.16 | virgomoon | kelsin, that's what I was thinking since I've already got WinXP running native the same way |
| 00:37.17 | croddy | virgomoon: amd64 might work, but i386 should |
| 00:37.24 | simonrvn | to me it would seem you'd need i386 for the (ptooie) intel macs |
| 00:37.31 | stevepastelan | simon: did apt-get --reinstall install openbox |
| 00:37.36 | stevepastelan | everything's the same |
| 00:37.47 | virgomoon | k .. thanks .. I'll try it and report back in case anyone cares ;) |
| 00:37.51 | simonrvn | then do what robin_sz said, and --purge it first |
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| 00:38.29 | justin | stevepastelan: you have any ~/.openbox files? |
| 00:38.42 | stevepastelan | let me check |
| 00:38.56 | justin | stevepastelan: or whatever it is.. could be ~/.ob for all I know:) |
| 00:38.58 | simonrvn | they're in ~/.config/openbox if it's obox 3 |
| 00:39.28 | stevepastelan | all the same after purge |
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| 00:39.45 | stevepastelan | I have an rc.xml in there |
| 00:39.46 | wols | simonrvn: is openbox pythonic territory? most of their "pipemenus" whateevr that is are python |
| 00:40.02 | wols | oh. many perl too. too bad, can't have it all :) |
| 00:40.12 | simonrvn | dunno, haven't dne anything to it beyond edit the personal xml files |
| 00:40.17 | simonrvn | done* |
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| 00:41.26 | stevepastelan | what else could the problem be? |
| 00:42.04 | kelsin | wols: you can use anything, as long as the program outputs menus in openbox text format it can be used, you can run all those menu scripts in a terminal to see what I mean |
| 00:42.13 | Caelum | is there a free solution for running windows in debian, or is vmware required? |
| 00:42.29 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: there's no free solution, because it requires windows. |
| 00:42.32 | wols | menu scripts? |
| 00:42.39 | centrx | Caelum you can run some windows programs using wine |
| 00:42.42 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: however, you can use qemu or wine fairly easily. |
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| 00:42.43 | wols | dondelelcaro: not quite true. WINE can run without windows |
| 00:42.44 | aalex | hi all |
| 00:42.57 | Caelum | does qemu work as well as vmware? |
| 00:42.58 | wols | but its compatibility is a lot better if you run windows under it |
| 00:43.00 | centrx | wols right, but it's not "running windows" in debian |
| 00:43.00 | dondelelcaro | wols: then you wouldn't be running windows, would you? |
| 00:43.03 | aalex | anyone has a working video editor to suggest ? |
| 00:43.15 | wols | dondelelcaro: ok. you emulated windows |
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| 00:43.35 | dondelelcaro | really, you replace the core windows libraries with function-alikes. |
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| 00:45.24 | wols | damn, why is xdm so ugly? |
| 00:45.42 | Caelum | use gdm |
| 00:45.43 | mrcheeks | wols, because it is basic |
| 00:45.53 | Guerin | wols: why would you want to beautify it? |
| 00:46.05 | rahul | form should follow function |
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| 00:46.11 | Caelum | why would you want to use xdm :) |
| 00:46.15 | rahul | xdm's function is ugly, therefore its form is ugly. |
| 00:46.33 | wols | Guerin: to many it shinny |
| 00:46.48 | rahul | and that, my friends, is beauty. |
| 00:46.52 | wols | I want an easy way to switch between WMs |
| 00:47.00 | rahul | wols: man xsession |
| 00:47.00 | Caelum | damn, the amd64 port is fast |
| 00:47.19 | justin | you probably mean, amd64 processors are fast |
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| 00:47.30 | Caelum | wols: try gdm? it doesn't require gnome... |
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| 00:48.08 | Guerin | right |
| 00:48.19 | wols | rahul: and what for? should I hack it with dialog to give me a choice what WM to run? |
| 00:48.27 | rahul | huh? |
| 00:48.30 | maddash | Caelum: isn't GDM the Gnome Desktop Manager? |
| 00:48.32 | wols | notebook. I'll see it more often |
| 00:48.41 | Caelum | gnome display manager |
| 00:48.45 | Guerin | wols: unless you use suspend. |
| 00:48.45 | Caelum | there's also a kdm |
| 00:48.47 | wols | I need a *dm to switch between WMs as my fancy takes me |
| 00:48.49 | Guerin | which you should |
| 00:49.03 | maddash | !tell wols about wdm |
| 00:49.06 | wols | Guerin: suspend to disk only and currently a shot battery... |
| 00:49.12 | rahul | wols: startx gnome, I think works |
| 00:49.16 | wols | wdm? wmaker? sounds good |
| 00:49.20 | Guerin | what's wrong with s2d? |
| 00:49.30 | wols | takes long :) |
| 00:49.35 | maddash | wols: er. WINGS*, not windowmaker |
| 00:49.36 | Guerin | ... |
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| 00:49.58 | rahul | startx already supports your silly selection thing |
| 00:49.59 | Harzilein | *sigh* |
| 00:50.04 | kelsin | wols: I recommend gdm as well, easy to add desktop files and most are added for you anyway through debian |
| 00:50.22 | zinx | (and that's where the toolkit originated, basically..) |
| 00:50.22 | wols | thanks for wdm. says "WindowMaker looK" that's enough for me :) |
| 00:50.32 | Harzilein | does anyone happen to know what's wrong with a c64 if it shows this after starting: http://hrz.da.ru/tmp/kaputt.png |
| 00:50.32 | kelsin | wols: alot of standalone wms (fluxbox, fvwm, etc) have commands that will stop themselves and replace with another so you can have it in your menus as well |
| 00:50.39 | wols | since I use wmaker too |
| 00:50.49 | maddash | wols: it is totally devoid of eye candy, save for the one debian.xpm. trust me. |
| 00:50.51 | madd_matt | I just opened aptitude on this system, which has pretty much been managed with apt-get always. Aptitude is suggesting I do all sorts of strange things like remove a pile of programs like mplayer and zsnes and others for some reason. :s |
| 00:50.57 | wols | so far i will probably use *box and wmaker |
| 00:51.20 | wols | well, if it has to be devoid of eyecandy it should at least be lite |
| 00:51.29 | wols | imho xdm looks like the suck and is bloated to boot |
| 00:51.51 | justin | xdm? bloated? |
| 00:51.57 | Caelum | what was the command to tell apt to install the package list that's installed on another machine? |
| 00:52.07 | wols | stuff like xdmcp and the like |
| 00:52.07 | justin | !+selections |
| 00:52.08 | dpkg | it has been said that ffs copy is run "dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt" on the source, copy foo.txt to the destination and run "dpkg --set-selections < foo.txt ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade" on the destination. |
| 00:52.17 | Caelum | thank you! |
| 00:52.32 | rahul | wols: that's the whole point of *dm |
| 00:53.05 | maddash | does this make sense? `sudo (ifdown eth0; ifup eth0)` |
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| 00:53.32 | Caelum | now if only I can figure out how to move my windows off this lovely 64bit p4 to the crappy box so I can use the amd64 port... |
| 00:53.33 | wols | for me it's a nice menu to select my WM |
| 00:53.44 | Caelum | maddash: that won't work |
| 00:53.46 | rahul | wols: which is what it's not designed for |
| 00:53.54 | wols | rahul: then tell me what is? |
| 00:53.55 | rahul | wols: startx already has that functionality |
| 00:53.55 | Caelum | maddash: sudo sh -c "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" |
| 00:53.58 | maddash | Caelum: enlighten me, if you know what i'm trying |
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| 00:54.04 | wols | but not graphical |
| 00:54.07 | rahul | wols: that's just universal |
| 00:54.11 | rahul | waa waa |
| 00:54.21 | rahul | porn should be grahical. |
| 00:54.22 | maddash | Caelum: is there a synonym of that requiring less typing? |
| 00:54.32 | kelsin | Caelum: you can use the dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections to output and then input a list of packages |
| 00:54.32 | Caelum | maddash: you can make an alias |
| 00:54.35 | wols | the point of graphical is it gives me a list. startx doesn't do this |
| 00:54.42 | Acu | Caelum: P4 is not a 64 bit processor |
| 00:54.48 | wols | Acu: some are |
| 00:54.53 | wols | Preslers and up or so |
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| 00:55.31 | wols | nah, not presler. the ones after it |
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| 00:55.31 | Acu | OK, never heard of it but you know better |
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| 00:55.39 | Caelum | and the etch installer is awesome |
| 00:55.40 | pstickne | Where is the appropriate place to specify custom programs to start when KDE starts? |
| 00:55.44 | Caelum | even lets you install unstable |
| 00:56.15 | Caelum | umm, there's a ~/.kde/Autostart but not sure how it works |
| 00:56.23 | wols | oops. was thinking of prescott. presscot has no EMT64, the others (like presler) do |
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| 00:58.48 | Elive_user57 | hello all :) |
| 00:58.49 | e1z0 | labos |
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| 00:59.14 | kelsin | yep ~/.kde/Autostart is the good place, any script in there gets run on kde startup |
| 00:59.24 | kelsin | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Autostart_Programs that gentoo page has good info for lots of wms |
| 00:59.56 | abrotman | MNzt42yd: try #elive |
| 01:00.15 | MNzt42yd | :) |
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| 01:06.28 | ice63 | theres a lot in here useing comcast |
| 01:06.34 | twobitsprite | any recommendations for a batch mp3 id3-tag renamer/manager? |
| 01:06.53 | Harzilein | ircnet #c-64 seems to be asleep, any other ideas where i could ask? |
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| 01:08.10 | madd_matt | twobitsprite, amarok has some neat music management stuff |
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| 01:09.30 | MarcoPau | hey I'm experiencing a weird thing with configuring an eth interface which I will use for voip phone. Cases are: 1) the phone is not connected to the eth port and I do ifup eth0, that works, but when I connect it, the eth device loses its ip 2) the phone is connected to the eth device and I configure it by doing ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.10 up manually, and that works also but I have not given any |
| 01:09.35 | MarcoPau | netmask or network... |
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| 01:11.27 | Acu | how can I know how many postgresql databases I have in a server |
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| 01:12.03 | Guerin | Acu: ask the database admin |
| 01:12.18 | dendrite | Acu: The monitor has a command to do that. |
| 01:13.21 | stevepastelan | hey which package should install if I need to establish a vpn connection? |
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| 01:14.27 | dendrite | stevepastelan: apt-cache search vpn, read up on what you see. |
| 01:14.30 | Acu | stevepastelan: use synaptic yo instal kvpnc and vpnc |
| 01:14.49 | stevepastelan | ok :)) |
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| 01:15.32 | Acu | kvpnc will help you configure the vpn access you need to know IPsEC gateway IPsec ID and some PTS secret - |
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| 01:15.41 | Acu | the main file is vpnc.conf |
| 01:15.45 | indridcold | hi guys |
| 01:15.45 | stevepastelan | hm |
| 01:15.46 | indridcold | I'm having some network issues with a box running etch |
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| 01:15.49 | indridcold | basically it cannot communicate outside of the 192.168.1.0 network, despite being hooked up to a router which lots of other machines are using. |
| 01:15.55 | stevepastelan | I don't know any of that |
| 01:15.56 | abrotman | Acu: psql template1 ... select * from pg_database |
| 01:15.57 | indridcold | I've set my DNS up in the resolv.conf file |
| 01:16.00 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 01:16.02 | indridcold | and still nada |
| 01:16.06 | stevepastelan | I know an address, and a username+ password |
| 01:16.13 | indridcold | is there a way I can check that it's using the correct DNS ? |
| 01:16.24 | Caelum | stevepastelan: there's a script that comes with vpnc that can convert a cisco vpn client config file to a vpnc one |
| 01:16.25 | stevepastelan | I probably need pptp |
| 01:16.33 | stevepastelan | ah |
| 01:16.38 | stevepastelan | I see |
| 01:16.45 | Acu | abrotman: psql -l worked perfect to show the databases - but I need something to find the users |
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| 01:17.00 | abrotman | Acu: psql template1 .. \dt .. there are tons of tables there |
| 01:17.04 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
| 01:17.11 | indridcold | I figured, even if it couldn't resolve domain names it should still be able to ping the IP of the DNS server |
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| 01:17.20 | abrotman | Acu: or ask #postgresql |
| 01:18.30 | kelsin | Acu: yeah all user information is stored in the database itself, so use a tool such as pgadmin3 or you need to look up the user table info |
| 01:19.52 | philth | I am at a loss here, the skge module for a ethernet card is loading "skge eth2: addr 00:17:9a:84:2a:74" but cannot be found "ifup eth2" => "eth2: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" |
| 01:20.09 | justin | philth: what's ifconfig -a list? |
| 01:20.54 | philth | justin, Ah-ha! eth2_rena is there.. What is that? |
| 01:21.01 | Acu | kelsin: strangely enoug pgadmin3 does not let me add the server - it tells me password authentification failed - though I can go as postgresql superuser in terminal |
| 01:21.19 | kelsin | Acu: are you connecting to another machine? |
| 01:21.40 | justin | philth: probably eth2_renamed.... |
| 01:21.43 | philth | justin, or more so, why is it now just eth2? |
| 01:21.55 | philth | not* |
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| 01:22.21 | Acu | kelsin: no - I wrote at address: localhost PORT: 5432 |
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| 01:22.52 | Smoked1_ | What is a good package to use for configuring iptables. I was using apf butt it sucked |
| 01:22.57 | abrotman | vi! |
| 01:23.06 | kelsin | Acu: very odd, checking with postgres people is the best idea :) good luck |
| 01:23.14 | Guerin | Smoked1_: iptables isn't hard to learn. |
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| 01:23.44 | abrotman | Acu: is it listening on tcp or just sockets ? |
| 01:23.46 | Smoked1_ | I heard that it's pain in the ass |
| 01:23.55 | kelsin | Smoked1_: firestarter is a gnome app for comfiguring some stuff |
| 01:24.03 | robin_sz | learning iptables is a bit like learning, say, C. you not only have to learn the syntax, you also need to learn some strategies and design principles |
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| 01:24.23 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 01:24.36 | abrotman | Smoked1_: why don't you try it .. and then determine that for yourself |
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| 01:24.53 | Smoked1_ | I'll give it a shot. It's just that the box is online |
| 01:25.02 | Acu | I do not know - I tried in address to at 127.0.0.1 but I have the same result |
| 01:25.03 | mynullvoid | at the moment all my log files are being compressed into .gz; how can I get it deleted instead using logrotate ? |
| 01:25.12 | robin_sz | Smoked1_, all you need to configure iptables is your favourite text editor. thats all. Noting more, nothing less. |
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| 01:25.27 | Smoked1_ | ok |
| 01:25.36 | robin_sz | Smoked1_, the box is notlocal to you? |
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| 01:25.48 | Smoked1_ | no it's not |
| 01:26.03 | robin_sz | you have a terminal server conencto to its serial port? |
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| 01:26.09 | Smoked1_ | Nope just ssh |
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| 01:26.18 | Smoked1_ | The box is in the savis DC in Texas |
| 01:26.24 | robin_sz | then DO NOT try and learn iptables on that box |
| 01:26.34 | justin | Acu: don't put a hostname or port |
| 01:26.52 | Smoked1_ | yeah I would probably wind up locking myself out which is why I am asking about this. |
| 01:26.56 | justin | Acu: you probably need to enable password authentication |
| 01:27.05 | Smoked1_ | APF was working but it took a shit on me and I removed it to find another way |
| 01:27.26 | robin_sz | Smoked1_, try setting it up just how you want it on a local box, then when you thrououghly understand it, deploy it remotely |
| 01:27.28 | robin_sz | AND .... |
| 01:27.48 | robin_sz | at first, set a crontab to flush and remove the iptables every say, 30 minutes |
| 01:28.11 | Smoked1_ | k |
| 01:28.11 | robin_sz | that way when you DO fsck it up, you only have to wait at most 30 minutes for it to come back |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | EdLin: what are you waiting for |
| 01:28.26 | robin_sz | (and you will :) |
| 01:28.31 | EdLin | abrotman: heh |
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| 01:30.17 | abrotman | robin_sz: bye |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:30.19 | abrotman | sparr: duck! |
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| 01:30.49 | EdLin | wb splitters |
| 01:30.53 | Pr | er |
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| 01:30.53 | Acu | justin: do you know how to add password authentication ? |
| 01:30.54 | sparr | abrotman: pig? |
| 01:30.54 | sparr | lol |
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| 01:30.55 | robin_sz | coo |
| 01:30.55 | robin_sz | I turn my back and the world falls apart |
| 01:31.02 | abrotman | your world sucks |
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| 01:31.18 | robin_sz | nah, its great :) |
| 01:32.17 | stoned | there is only one relevant world |
| 01:32.53 | EdLin | s/at/art/ |
| 01:32.58 | robin_sz | Dr Watson find Sherlock in the bathroom tryin to push a lemon up his ass ... "what on earth are you doing Homes?" |
| 01:33.19 | robin_sz | "lemon entry my dear Watson .." |
| 01:33.25 | EdLin | groan |
| 01:33.27 | stoned | sick |
| 01:33.47 | robin_sz | why thankyou |
| 01:34.10 | robin_sz | and so .. to bed. |
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| 01:34.46 | stoned | they make transvestites from scratch these days. Colligen injections, the ass implants, tits implants, make up, the whole electrolosys to make them look like women, and I'm wondering... How much surguery did _they_ have to go through, before I'm not gay for doing it? |
| 01:34.53 | stoned | I mean theres gotta be a line you draw |
| 01:34.58 | stoned | in the sand, somewhere |
| 01:35.07 | stoned | just wondering |
| 01:35.09 | abrotman | !tell assasukasse about away |
| 01:35.47 | virgomoon | hey .. don't know if anyone's still on from earlier .. the i386 distro seems to work fine on a new Intel Mac with Parallels |
| 01:36.50 | abrotman | doesn't parallels emulate a 686 ? |
| 01:37.32 | kelsin | virgomoon: good to know |
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| 01:37.44 | virgomoon | yeah .. this is just creepy, man |
| 01:37.50 | assasukasse | abrotman: ok i won't lket it go away ;) |
| 01:38.04 | abrotman | assasukasse: just turn off the public announcement |
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| 01:42.31 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:42.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:42.54 | rahul | porn-get moo |
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| 01:47.37 | fallen_ | Anyone know of good software for monitoring network latency and uptime etc. I would like to be able to see whether or not a service provider are meeting their obligations etc. Graphs would be nice too ;) |
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| 01:48.09 | abrotman | PICTURES?! |
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| 01:49.39 | dendrite | fallen_: mrtg can be tweaked to do that. |
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| 01:50.00 | Cha0t|c | evening. i'm having troubles getting the latest debian to install on my server. I have a proliant poweredge 2500 with raid 5 + spare |
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| 01:50.11 | Cha0t|c | however i can't get the distro to boot |
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| 01:50.39 | BUMBACL0T | [20:51] <BUMBACL0T> when printing a photo, is the glossy side on top or bottom? |
| 01:50.39 | BUMBACL0T | [20:51] <BUMBACL0T> coz i don't want to waste the paper |
| 01:50.48 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 01:51.23 | bowend | dendrite: i have mrtg installed but how to run it? |
| 01:53.06 | dendrite | BUMBACL0T: It's ART. Set your chickens free! |
| 01:53.08 | fallen_ | dendrite: Thanks I think I've heard of that, I'll take a look. |
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| 01:53.25 | piper69 | Gnea: you here |
| 01:53.27 | Nyle | fallen was a good movie |
| 01:53.36 | Nyle | danzel washington etc. |
| 01:53.41 | abrotman | you lost your nick again |
| 01:53.44 | Nyle | ? |
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| 01:54.22 | piper69 | wols: abrotman it's your turn to help me now |
| 01:54.31 | abrotman | help ? |
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| 01:54.35 | Nyle | namtorba |
| 01:54.47 | abrotman | piper69: use Xenguy!!! he's canadian |
| 01:56.34 | piper69 | abrotman: lol , no serious will you help me with the wireless internet, i can probe the card but can't get connection |
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| 01:56.34 | abrotman | still ? |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | we smell |
| 01:56.35 | piper69 | abrotman: still , its been 4 nights now |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | piper69: been longer than that ... |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman | piper69: what doesn't work now ? |
| 01:57.01 | Cha0t|c | evening. i'm having troubles getting the latest debian to install on my server. I have a proliant poweredge 2500 with raid 5 + spare |
| 01:57.12 | abrotman | why won't it install ? |
| 01:57.17 | piper69 | abrotman: i can't get internet with that card, i am connected now thu wired connection but from the same laptop |
| 01:57.23 | Cha0t|c | also i had to install an ide controller card so i could install a 200gb /home directory |
| 01:57.33 | Cha0t|c | it installs but can't get it to load the distro |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | piper69: i gather that .. but why ? |
| 01:57.38 | Cha0t|c | after the install is complete |
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| 01:57.50 | Cha0t|c | can't figure out how to get the boot loader to work with the raid 5 |
| 01:58.01 | abrotman | Cha0t|c: hwraid5 ? |
| 01:58.04 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 01:58.04 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 01:58.12 | Cha0t|c | yes hardware raid 5 |
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| 01:58.14 | indridcold | is there a way you can stop rm from prompting you to delete read only files ? |
| 01:58.24 | abrotman | man rm |
| 01:58.33 | Xenguy | indridcold: -f ? |
| 01:58.47 | abrotman | Cha0t|c: if it's true hwraid5 .. there shouldn't be anything to do |
| 01:58.51 | indridcold | if I do a rm -rf in a folder, that'll only take out the folder right? :D |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | Cha0t|c: which controler ? |
| 01:58.59 | Cha0t|c | its an adaptec |
| 01:59.07 | abrotman | it's not a PERC ? |
| 01:59.19 | piper69 | abrotman: i have no idea man |
| 01:59.26 | Xenguy | indridcold: that deletes everything recursively |
| 01:59.29 | Cha0t|c | wait actually it is, but there is also an adaptec in the system |
| 01:59.33 | abrotman | piper69: is the ESSID set ? and the WEP key ? |
| 01:59.33 | Cha0t|c | its perc 3/DI |
| 01:59.34 | Xenguy | indridcold: danger will robinson |
| 01:59.37 | indridcold | lol |
| 01:59.49 | piper69 | abrotman: i turned off the wep just to make sure |
| 01:59.52 | abrotman | Xenguy: you need emphasis |
| 01:59.55 | abrotman | piper69: and ? |
| 01:59.58 | piper69 | but still not working |
| 02:00.00 | Dunedan | Does somebody know how the rewrite the return-path of outgoing mails in postfix from localuser@mydomain to the right virtual mail address? |
| 02:00.00 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 02:00.12 | abrotman | ask #postfix |
| 02:00.17 | abrotman | piper69: need more details |
| 02:00.48 | piper69 | abrotman: i can cardctl ident and it shows in iwconfig as eth2 |
| 02:01.13 | Cha0t|c | this is what i've done so far abrotman i've taken the 72.8 gig SDA and made the following 2 partitions |
| 02:01.22 | Cha0t|c | / and swap |
| 02:01.40 | abrotman | piper69: so set it up correctly |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | iface eth2 inet dhcp |
| 02:02.03 | abrotman | wireless-essid <blah> |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:02.18 | abrotman | Cha0t|c: and the installer sees the space ? |
| 02:02.23 | Cha0t|c | yes |
| 02:02.50 | abrotman | but when it boots .. it says ? |
| 02:03.39 | abrotman | "I no workie... " ? |
| 02:03.42 | Cha0t|c | my problem is install grub trys to install it on HDA |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | don't you want grub on sda ? |
| 02:03.56 | Cha0t|c | i do |
| 02:04.08 | Cha0t|c | when i did that i got an error about stuff missing /etc |
| 02:04.14 | |ryan| | Can anybody point me to a 56k modem that will work in debian? |
| 02:04.22 | abrotman | |ryan|: moment |
| 02:04.35 | abrotman | |ryan|: you mean other than external? :) |
| 02:04.38 | Cha0t|c | should i have a /boot partition |
| 02:04.42 | |ryan| | must not be external |
| 02:04.43 | abrotman | you odn't need one |
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| 02:04.50 | |ryan| | PCI or PCMCIA/CARDBUS |
| 02:04.53 | Cha0t|c | will it help me? |
| 02:04.56 | |ryan| | preferably PCI |
| 02:05.09 | rahul | hmm, I had a hardware 56k modem |
| 02:05.16 | rahul | I wonder where it's gotten to |
| 02:05.27 | muszek | hi... I have added a mail.mydomain.com line to /etc/hosts and "mail" to /etc/hostname, then restarted postfix and apache (just in case), but my server still identifies as "localhost.localdomain". could someone please tell me what to do next? |
| 02:06.16 | |ryan| | anything that has drivers for 2.6 that are redistributable is fine. |
| 02:06.24 | abrotman | http://www.usr.com/products/home/home-product.asp?sku=USR5610B |
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| 02:06.32 | abrotman | |ryan|: they say it works .. havne't tried it myself |
| 02:06.49 | abrotman | Cha0t|c: likely not |
| 02:06.49 | |ryan| | gah. |
| 02:06.53 | abrotman | Cha0t|c: we'd need exact errors |
| 02:06.55 | |ryan| | too expensive. |
| 02:07.02 | abrotman | |ryan|: well ..wtf do you want ? |
| 02:07.11 | Cha0t|c | ok, let me install it like i did before and i'll get you the errors |
| 02:07.13 | |ryan| | looking for something sub $50 |
| 02:07.21 | abrotman | |ryan|: you can google around for winmodems that 'work' |
| 02:07.26 | Cha0t|c | when i tell grub to install i want /dev/SDA for the raid? |
| 02:07.26 | abrotman | !winmodem |
| 02:07.27 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
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| 02:07.39 | abrotman | Cha0t|c: if that's the boot device .. yes |
| 02:07.39 | |ryan| | thanks |
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| 02:07.51 | Velaskyalf | is there anyone uses webmin? |
| 02:07.56 | Cha0t|c | my raid is what i want to boot |
| 02:08.04 | Cha0t|c | sooo here goes nothing... for the 10 time :) |
| 02:08.04 | |ryan| | http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ < that url is dead |
| 02:08.20 | abrotman | they dont sell desktops/laptops anymore .. not surprised |
| 02:08.29 | Cha0t|c | i'm glad i'm doing a netinst otherwise i'll be getting really pissed |
| 02:08.39 | abrotman | !winmodem =~ s/org,/org/ |
| 02:08.39 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 02:08.43 | Xenguy | Velaskyalf: anyone I ever saw in this channel who knew stuff hated webin :-) I've never used it myself |
| 02:08.50 | abrotman | !winmodem =~ s/html./html/ |
| 02:08.50 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 02:09.14 | abrotman | webmin is for elephants! |
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| 02:09.35 | nvz | abrotman: they can accomplish the same thing with a small port replicator dock now |
| 02:09.36 | Cha0t|c | abrotman: formatting |
| 02:09.38 | Velaskyalf | :( I have a problem Webmin + Virtualmin |
| 02:09.48 | abrotman | nvz: who what ? |
| 02:10.05 | nvz | abrotman: you were talking of laptops with desktop docking stations? |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | no |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | i was talking about ibm not selling desktops/laptops anymore :) |
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| 02:10.43 | nvz | ah, big blue |
| 02:11.03 | Xenguy | Velaskyalf: Is it even in debian anymore? (I don't see it in testing/etch anyway) |
| 02:11.08 | bowend_ | how to run mrtg? after installing, it does not appear in the kde menu. when i run 'mrtg' fr the command line, i get: |
| 02:11.13 | bowend_ | ERROR: Mrtg will most likely not work properly when the environment |
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| 02:11.14 | bowend_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.16 | bowend_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.17 | bowend_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.27 | abrotman | one more line! |
| 02:11.42 | bowend_ | that's all. |
| 02:11.51 | Xenguy | .oO(missed it by that much) |
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| 02:12.08 | bowend_ | i get no response when run the last command. |
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| 02:12.27 | bowend_ | Xenguy: miss what? |
| 02:12.44 | Xenguy | bowend_: just a random thought, nm |
| 02:13.10 | bowend_ | so, where's the problem? |
| 02:13.13 | |ryan| | do USB modems generaly work fine? |
| 02:13.52 | rahul | |ryan|: if they connect through a serial converter |
| 02:14.21 | rahul | Xenguy: you and me both |
| 02:14.21 | Guerin | Xenguy: whoosh! |
| 02:14.24 | rahul | heh |
| 02:14.30 | Guerin | my deadline already whooshed by |
| 02:14.36 | rahul | no, that was my fart |
| 02:14.44 | Xenguy | heheh |
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| 02:16.21 | rahul | svn: Cannot replace a directory from within |
| 02:16.26 | rahul | wtf does that mean? |
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| 02:17.46 | litage | how can i manually download the Etch key? (my ACLs and firewalls don't allow /usr/bin/gpg to grab it for me) |
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| 02:18.30 | Cha0t|c | error i receive |
| 02:18.32 | rahul | litage: it's a debian package. install it. |
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| 02:18.43 | Cha0t|c | root (hd1,0) |
| 02:19.13 | Cha0t|c | filesystem type ext2fs, partition type 0x83 |
| 02:19.46 | rahul | hmm, dinner |
| 02:19.48 | litage | rahul: any hints on the package name? |
| 02:19.51 | rahul | I should get delivery |
| 02:19.53 | rahul | litage: /topic |
| 02:20.03 | litage | thanks |
| 02:20.37 | Cha0t|c | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-3-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 02:20.49 | Cha0t|c | error 15: file not found |
| 02:21.03 | Cha0t|c | press any key to continue |
| 02:21.24 | Cha0t|c | :( same issue i'm just having issues with getting this to load on the raid |
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| 02:21.29 | Guerin | !fgi Cha0t|c grub+error+15 |
| 02:21.30 | dpkg | Cha0t|c: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=grub+error+15 |
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| 02:22.18 | rahul | hmm, yaki udon from the place underneath me... |
| 02:22.24 | corpcomp | Does anyone have a howto setup a mail server for multiple domains and lots of users that actually works. I have googled about everything I can and have waisted the past 3 weeks getting know where in a hurry. I just want to get this done now. Must have easy to use user/domain config. Will be using "sarge" I am trying to get away from the huge licencing costs of microscum products. |
| 02:23.05 | litage | rahul: the package debian-archive-keyring is already installed on my box, but the warning appears |
| 02:23.40 | pinx | corpcomp: I use postfix on sarge - and it's good |
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| 02:23.53 | litage | corpcomp: check out the "ISP-style email" article on workaround.org |
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| 02:23.57 | rahul | litage: hrm. that makes no sense... |
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| 02:24.50 | piper69 | abrotman: that didn't work |
| 02:24.52 | litage | rahul: which version of debian-archive-keyring do you have installed? mine is 2006.11.22 |
| 02:25.01 | indridcold | how do I set my hostname in debian? I want other computers on the network to be able to see my machine by a name rather than IP |
| 02:25.10 | corpcomp | litage: That was my last attempt. I am still searching for something I can actually get to work. |
| 02:25.13 | abrotman | piper69: and why not ? |
| 02:25.18 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 02:25.19 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 02:25.19 | rahul | litage: the same |
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| 02:25.32 | Guerin | corpcomp: that works, I have it set up. It's utterly rock-solid and lovely to maintain. |
| 02:25.37 | piper69 | abrotman: i realy don't know |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 02:25.47 | rahul | :\ |
| 02:25.50 | Guerin | corpcomp: so I suggest you figure out what's going wrong and make it work. |
| 02:25.50 | rahul | I'm getting errors, too |
| 02:25.56 | litage | corpcomp: if you can't get "it" to work from following those instructions, you should really learn more about GNU/Linux and system administration. those instructions are quite easy to follow |
| 02:25.59 | rahul | oh, I have unstable in my package sources |
| 02:26.02 | piper69 | i abrotman no error s |
| 02:26.09 | abrotman | piper69: there has to be |
| 02:26.19 | litage | rahul: but you still have the same pkg version, so that shouldn't matter |
| 02:26.27 | rahul | I guess I should pin debian-archive-keyring to unstable |
| 02:26.31 | mikes | has anyone experienced problems with the latest pmpx player in debian sid?? |
| 02:26.37 | rahul | litage: yeah, but my error may be because of packages in unstable |
| 02:26.39 | mikes | *bmpx |
| 02:26.42 | Guerin | mikes: the BTS knows |
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| 02:27.02 | rahul | ah, it already wants to upgrade that |
| 02:27.11 | litage | rahul: do you know where the etch key is hosted? i'd like to copy/paste the contents into a local file and then manually import |
| 02:27.14 | rahul | hum |
| 02:27.16 | piper69 | abrotman: can i test it while i am still connected thru the wired lan |
| 02:27.19 | corpcomp | OK, thanks |
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| 02:27.23 | rahul | litage: etch's key is 2007.02.19 |
| 02:27.31 | abrotman | piper69: it might disconnect you from here .. but yes you can try |
| 02:27.38 | litage | thanks |
| 02:27.44 | rahul | it's been updated |
| 02:30.26 | rahul | erg |
| 02:30.33 | rahul | aptitude's moust handling is fucked |
| 02:30.49 | piper69 | abrotman: ok now the link light on that card is blinking |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:31.10 | abrotman | does it have an IP ? |
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| 02:32.09 | piper69 | abrotman: nope |
| 02:32.33 | abrotman | dhclient eth2 |
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| 02:34.04 | Caelum | does vmware-package work with the current release? |
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| 02:35.12 | Guerin | Caelum: bigger question: who cares? |
| 02:35.14 | kelsin | Caelum: I'm pretty sure they do, I would download the rpm, use alien to convert to a deb, so that you can install and then uninstall if it breaks for any reason |
| 02:35.18 | Guerin | Caelum: ask #vmware |
| 02:35.26 | piper69 | abrotman: i will paste in flood is that ok |
| 02:35.36 | abrotman | piper69: #flood ? |
| 02:36.10 | piper69 | yes |
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| 02:37.50 | kelsin | then if that's the case you can try to install it and find out, it will tell you if there are unnment dependencies |
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| 02:39.09 | Cha0t|c | how do i get into the rescue after i've already install debian? i've got the cd in but no options for rescue |
| 02:39.29 | dummy | hello fellas |
| 02:40.17 | dummy | what are you trying to rescue? |
| 02:40.38 | Cha0t|c | trying to fix my screwed up boot loader |
| 02:40.41 | Caelum | I don't think netinst has a rescue option |
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| 02:41.44 | rpc | use knoppix |
| 02:42.00 | rpc | and which bloader is that? |
| 02:42.50 | x3n0 | does anyone know the repo containing the domino theme package (kde)? |
| 02:43.08 | abrotman | possibly ask #debian-kde |
| 02:43.34 | rpc | btw does anyone know what damn bug is this: when there is a high traffic on eth0 it tends to die... i just need to ifdown/up it and it's all cool again, but if i auto-down/up it every 30 mins the problem doesn't happen at all |
| 02:43.49 | rpc | is it a damn queue problem or whatever like that? i don't know how to start debugging this shit |
| 02:43.50 | x3n0 | ah didn't think of them! thx! |
| 02:43.58 | abrotman | rpc: it's likely a problemw ith the driver/card |
| 02:43.58 | Pobega | x3n0: Why don't you just download it from http://kde-look.org/ ? |
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| 02:44.20 | rpc | abrotman hm it's a stinking rtl 8169 :( and new kernel helped a little but it still dies randomly |
| 02:44.24 | Caelum | rpc: does ifonfig show collissions/errors? |
| 02:44.38 | rpc | no, no collisions at all |
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| 02:44.48 | Caelum | weird |
| 02:44.52 | rpc | it will work for hours or sometimes minutes, just random kick |
| 02:44.56 | stevepastelan | hi |
| 02:44.58 | x3n0 | had an error @ compile time |
| 02:45.04 | stevepastelan | can I remap the aptitude menu key from F10? |
| 02:45.05 | Caelum | rpc: anything interesting in dmesg |
| 02:45.06 | rpc | BUT if i down/up it on a regular basis.... it won't happen |
| 02:45.16 | rpc | Caelum just one line |
| 02:45.23 | rpc | let me bring you it |
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| 02:46.43 | rpc | Caelum each time networking dies i see this: kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 02:47.00 | rpc | then i simply down eth0 and bring it up.. works like a charm until next time |
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| 02:47.19 | rpc | but if i pump it regullary there will be no problem and that message never appeares |
| 02:47.37 | rpc | i'm using eth bridging btw |
| 02:47.46 | rpc | if that brings some light |
| 02:47.50 | Guerin | rpc: put it on cron |
| 02:47.53 | Caelum | haha |
| 02:47.54 | rpc | i did |
| 02:47.59 | rpc | that's what i damn did lol |
| 02:48.01 | Guerin | problem solved |
| 02:48.06 | rpc | ya, nice :) |
| 02:48.17 | rpc | i loose networking every 30 mins for 5-6s |
| 02:48.44 | rpc | so what the hell is that? it looks like a kind of flush or something |
| 02:48.47 | Caelum | rpc: it's most likely kernel related, so I'd try to get a kernel from git and if that doesn't help, post to lkml |
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| 02:48.53 | rpc | and if i don't... there will an overflow |
| 02:49.04 | Caelum | rpc: and if you don't have the patience, just try buying a new network card |
| 02:49.10 | rpc | Caelum i run 2.6.20-1 - the best i could |
| 02:49.22 | rpc | well i can't it's built into the mobo |
| 02:49.30 | Caelum | no slots? |
| 02:49.32 | rpc | and i'm not able to do any changes |
| 02:49.43 | rpc | it's beyond me to change hw there |
| 02:49.54 | Caelum | use a usb2.0 nic? |
| 02:50.16 | rpc | well someday i might but i'm still hoping the solution is trivial |
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| 02:51.02 | rpc | cron does the job so far lol but it's really ridiculous to cycle a nic every 30 mins |
| 02:51.19 | Caelum | do you lose your connections when it cycles? |
| 02:51.24 | rpc | sure |
| 02:51.34 | rpc | or it's more like a lag, some services break though |
| 02:51.55 | Ankman | how do i redirect the output of a command/script to a file? |
| 02:52.01 | rpc | Ankman > |
| 02:52.12 | Ankman | oops |
| 02:52.13 | rpc | or >> |
| 02:52.21 | Ankman | meant something else |
| 02:52.39 | Ankman | piping the output of a command to another command |
| 02:52.46 | Caelum | rpc: can you use a static ip? |
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| 02:52.52 | rpc | ls *.avi > movies.txt |
| 02:52.52 | Caelum | Ankman: | |
| 02:53.00 | rpc | Caelum yes |
| 02:53.00 | Ankman | yes, but |
| 02:53.02 | Ankman | ... |
| 02:53.12 | rpc | Ankman oh, | |
| 02:53.34 | rpc | or xargs is nice too, sometimes |
| 02:53.39 | rpc | when you can't use | |
| 02:53.47 | Ankman | may me "mail" has a certain option for stdin |
| 02:53.48 | Ankman | will check |
| 02:54.30 | Ankman | no |
| 02:54.41 | Ankman | ok i have\ |
| 02:54.48 | rpc | Caelum or perhaps i could just try another damn module for this nic? |
| 02:54.52 | Ankman | mail some@address |
| 02:54.56 | Caelum | rpc: that's a good idea |
| 02:55.02 | Ankman | and want to send the output of something there |
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| 02:55.18 | rpc | Caelum do you think that a generic driver would work with 1gbit rtl? |
| 02:55.26 | Ankman | as mail body |
| 02:55.29 | Caelum | rpc: I was going to say that if you use a static ip, it going up/down would be faster, and you could do it manually, might not even interrupt anything |
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| 02:55.43 | rpc | Ankman so: cat this.txt | mail -s blah |
| 02:55.45 | rpc | or something |
| 02:55.48 | Caelum | there's no such thing as a generic driver... |
| 02:55.55 | fedx | i made an idiot mistake of removing apt instead of apm... curl is not on my sys, any suggestions? |
| 02:56.00 | rpc | Caelum hm ne2k? |
| 02:56.15 | rpc | fedx good one :) |
| 02:56.21 | fedx | yea |
| 02:56.24 | Ankman | ok |
| 02:56.25 | rpc | you can use w3m |
| 02:56.31 | Caelum | rpc: like, ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 <ip> netmask <netmask>; |
| 02:56.33 | rpc | and leech wget via http browser |
| 02:56.34 | bzed | If there're any gimp users around here - comments on http://bzed.de/debian/packages/gimp-refocus would be very appreciated. |
| 02:56.40 | Ankman | well it's not a file, so i have to redirect it to a file first |
| 02:56.48 | rpc | Caelum hm yes that's what i do |
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| 02:57.01 | Caelum | and you still get dropped connections? do you change your route? |
| 02:57.10 | rpc | i don't |
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| 02:57.14 | Caelum | is that card compatible with ne2k? |
| 02:57.25 | rpc | i really don't know, just wondering |
| 02:57.26 | fedx | w3m did the trick. thanks |
| 02:57.37 | rpc | fedx glad to hear, enjoy! |
| 02:58.04 | Caelum | rpc: try ndiswrapper with a windows driver |
| 02:58.17 | Caelum | it says it supports regular nics |
| 02:58.40 | rpc | Caelum oh really? |
| 02:58.49 | Caelum | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:58.55 | rpc | that's wicked but looks like a potential solution |
| 02:59.00 | Ankman | not working :-( |
| 02:59.17 | rpc | Caelum thank you, checking |
| 02:59.33 | Ankman | cat `weather/weather.sh 11229` | mail -e some@adress |
| 02:59.42 | Ankman | f*** |
| 03:00.08 | rahul | holy shit |
| 03:00.17 | rahul | dpkg just pegged my system |
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| 03:00.25 | piper69 | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:02:3F:7D:01:8D |
| 03:00.26 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.26 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.26 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.26 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:00.27 | rahul | load average of over 20 |
| 03:00.38 | todesschaf | anyone know offhand how to get a source package from oldstable off of packages.debian.org? |
| 03:00.40 | rahul | I had to kill assweasel to get my box back |
| 03:00.45 | rahul | (couldn't even ssh in) |
| 03:00.46 | todesschaf | (in particular, i'm looking to get the source to tkisem) |
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| 03:01.08 | piper69 | abrotman: haha i did that in the wrong channel |
| 03:01.17 | piper69 | abrotman: it will be in #flood |
| 03:01.24 | Caelum | assweasel, haha |
| 03:01.34 | rpc | lmao |
| 03:01.43 | Caelum | rpc: if you can, submit a bug report to someone too... |
| 03:01.47 | rpc | and wow rahul, that's a nice story |
| 03:01.53 | rpc | Caelum i will |
| 03:02.13 | rpc | it's a shame that rtl 8169 isn't supported |
| 03:02.21 | rpc | or "supported" rather |
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| 03:02.53 | rahul | who would want to support RTL shit? |
| 03:03.11 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:03.16 | piper69 | abrotman: you there |
| 03:03.30 | Guerin | 8169 is supported, I'm ircing from one at this very moment |
| 03:04.03 | rpc | Guerin via or intel mobo? |
| 03:04.16 | Guerin | rpc: via. It's not onboard. |
| 03:04.55 | rahul | you paid MONEY to get RTL shit on your computer? |
| 03:05.03 | rpc | well it's onboard in my case and via too |
| 03:05.15 | rpc | rahul go and fix your dpkg ;) |
| 03:05.37 | rpc | Guerin perhaps there is another reason for it to die? an irq problem? |
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| 03:05.53 | rahul | heh |
| 03:05.58 | rpc | rahul :) |
| 03:05.58 | rahul | it's done |
| 03:06.19 | rahul | reading the db pegged my system |
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| 03:06.34 | rpc | Caelum: ndis* is for wireless only :/ |
| 03:06.46 | rpc | Caelum and this one's wired... 1gbit one |
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| 03:07.13 | Caelum | rpc: the page says it works with regular nics |
| 03:07.17 | |XO| | how do u make an ip route to a differnt ip locally? |
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| 03:07.22 | rpc | Caelum hm |
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| 03:07.26 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:07.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:07.32 | Guerin | rpc: possible, but more likely just a faulty board. |
| 03:07.53 | rpc | Guerin hm |
| 03:08.09 | Guerin | rahul: rtl are fine. If you don't ecpect too much from them, they work wonderfully. |
| 03:08.12 | rpc | Guerin how would pumping the nic helped then? |
| 03:08.14 | |XO| | how do you make an internet protocol address route to a differnt internet protocol address locally? |
| 03:08.22 | |XO| | is that better abrotman? |
| 03:08.23 | rahul | yeah don't expect much |
| 03:08.26 | rahul | like an IRQ |
| 03:08.39 | rpc | oh mine is on irq #169 :) |
| 03:08.52 | rpc | Guerin do you use APIC? |
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| 03:09.03 | Guerin | rpc: if it's default, I use it. |
| 03:09.15 | rpc | Caelum you were right... i will try ndis* perhaps it does the job well |
| 03:09.19 | rpc | Guerin it is... |
| 03:09.34 | rpc | Guerin what kernel please? |
| 03:09.41 | rpc | custom or stock? |
| 03:09.43 | Caelum | rpc: things like irqpoll or noapic might help too, but I have no clue |
| 03:09.48 | Guerin | rpc: 2.6.18 from sid |
| 03:09.50 | abrotman | |XO|: huh ? |
| 03:09.53 | vinboy | what Timer frequency should I use in the kernel? and what effects does it has if i select higher frequency one? |
| 03:09.58 | Guerin | but this has been working since at least 2.6.16 |
| 03:10.01 | rpc | Caelum irqpoll you say... never tried that... |
| 03:10.19 | rpc | hm noapic screws it all though as many devices share same irq then |
| 03:10.31 | Guerin | rpc: this via board of mine has a 8139 onboard which freaks if I put another 8139 in a pci slot |
| 03:10.39 | rpc | Guerin hm... sid kernel on etch? |
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| 03:10.41 | Guerin | rpc: sounds like you're having similar problems |
| 03:10.45 | pipeline | Guerin: That's pretty uncool. |
| 03:10.51 | Guerin | rpc: no, sid sid sid. |
| 03:11.09 | Guerin | pipeline: yeah, it's a bit shit. Problem solved by a different board. |
| 03:11.18 | rpc | Guerin yes, pretty similar problem... nic just freaks out when there is more traffic but taking it down and back up helps |
| 03:11.29 | pipeline | rpc: Tried clearing the escd cache? Or disabling "pnp OS" in the BIOS? |
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| 03:11.32 | |XO| | abrotman i want a public ip such as 2.2.2.4 to be routed locally instead of going to the server... for example 2.2.2.4 would goto 192.168.1.10 |
| 03:11.34 | rpc | Guerin so sid kernel on sid :) fair |
| 03:11.47 | rpc | pipeline escd cache... mmh... |
| 03:12.02 | abrotman | |XO|: yeah ..y ou can do that |
| 03:12.11 | rpc | lol abrotman |
| 03:12.13 | abrotman | |XO|: man route |
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| 03:12.24 | pipeline | rpc: When the BIOS probes shit and figures out what to put on what IRQ, it saves that data in the ESCD cache. |
| 03:12.35 | rpc | hm |
| 03:12.37 | pipeline | rpc: Clearing the ESCD cache will blow away that data and make the BIOS reprobe. |
| 03:12.52 | pipeline | rpc: The "PNP OS" option write protects or un-protects the ESCD cache, so the OS can or cannot fuckwith it. |
| 03:12.54 | rpc | this is a good idea then |
| 03:13.15 | piper69 | abrotman: you got that in Flood |
| 03:13.25 | pipeline | rpc: As a general rule, the BIOS is going to do a better job of fucking with it than Linux or Windows will. (And dual boot absolutely requires write-protect on ESCD, or NT and Linux will feud like little bitches.) |
| 03:13.28 | abrotman | piper69: done pasting ? |
| 03:13.30 | rpc | pipeline hm |
| 03:14.07 | rpc | that's interesting and probably misconfigured option often |
| 03:14.26 | rpc | perhaps that's the reason for all the shit as i suspect the whole thing has to do with irqs somehow |
| 03:14.40 | fsmunoz | pipeline, so, in your opinion, PNP OS in BIOS should be set to off right? |
| 03:14.53 | pipeline | fsmunoz: Yeah. |
| 03:14.58 | pipeline | fsmunoz: Won't affect you if you have APIC anyway :P |
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| 03:15.08 | pipeline | rpc: Well, with APIC enabled it's a non-issue :P |
| 03:15.11 | fsmunoz | Thanks. Asking because you sound like you know your shit :) |
| 03:15.11 | rpc | oh wait i have APIC on |
| 03:15.31 | madd_matt | Hey, Has anybody used ivtv on debian? It seems ivtv-firmware and ivtv-utils conflict, but I need both :s |
| 03:15.35 | rpc | how about irqpoll? |
| 03:15.54 | rpc | Caelum suggested that on boot |
| 03:16.09 | fsmunoz | pipeline, yes, I do have APIC. In a former box I had noacpi and no local apic because it messed with some hardware settings. |
| 03:16.22 | fsmunoz | s/noacpi/noapic/ |
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| 03:16.48 | pipeline | rpc: no clue |
| 03:16.55 | rpc | hm reading up |
| 03:18.17 | fyrmedic | Greetings. I am currently a Kubuntu user/novice. I am considering installing debian on my notebook. Would that be a good idea? And is it more difficult to maintain in deb than in Kubuntu? |
| 03:18.47 | rpc | hmm.... bugzilla #4049 |
| 03:19.33 | madd_matt | Can I force a package to install even though its marked as conflicting? |
| 03:19.36 | rpc | does it make sense to apply patch for 2.6.11 on 2.6.20? |
| 03:19.44 | rpc | or is it already in there? |
| 03:19.56 | abrotman | madd_matt: yes .. but every time after that you try to isntall something .. it will cause problems |
| 03:19.57 | rpc | madd_matt yes |
| 03:20.17 | boitono | fyrmedic, you will find it a slightly more difficult to use, yes but for the most part it's very much the same |
| 03:20.27 | madd_matt | Its just that ivtv-utils and ivtv-firmware conflict because of a common file, but I need both packages. |
| 03:21.12 | fsmunoz | Greetings fyrmedic. Debian is rather easy to maintain... I would say that the main differences you would notice are probably related to the desktop (KDE, GNOME, etc) which is where Ubuntu tweaks it more |
| 03:23.49 | fyrmedic | Ok, thank you. I'll keep thinking on it. |
| 03:24.23 | rpc | Guerin there is a confirmed info that single-chip 8169 differs from pci 8169 in the way they should be programmed... |
| 03:24.47 | fsmunoz | fyrmedic, on the other hand, Debian is more elite :D Ehehe, j/k |
| 03:24.48 | rpc | Guerin but the patch is from 2005... does it still make sense to use it with fresh kernels? |
| 03:25.25 | rpc | or any accepted patch gets "sucked in" in future kernel releases? |
| 03:25.57 | fsmunoz | fyrmedic, seriously, it's sometime hard to give advice since most of us are so used to using it... and also because mch of what is good in Ubuntu derived from it's Debian infrastructure. So much of the general strong points are common. |
| 03:25.57 | fyrmedic | fsmunoz; That's what I thought. I am having major issues trying to get my sound working right on a new install on a new laptop. It is getting very frustrating. |
| 03:26.22 | fsmunoz | fyrmedic, that in Debian or Kubuntu? |
| 03:26.29 | Guerin | rpc: you'd have to ask lkml |
| 03:27.18 | fyrmedic | fsmunoz;Kubuntu. Trying to get alsa to work right. |
| 03:27.45 | fyrmedic | with the right driver packages |
| 03:28.57 | fsmunoz | fyrmedic, well... let me be honest... it will probably the more or less the same in Debian. With one difference: you are, in my experience, more likely to get precise help on how to fo it around #debian than in #ubuntu. Just my gut feeling, and I mean no disrespect whatsoever. |
| 03:29.15 | x3n0 | got this when trying to compile domino |
| 03:29.19 | x3n0 | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 03:29.29 | amphi | ubuntu, in its wisdom, doesn't have alsaconf, AFAIK |
| 03:29.33 | x3n0 | aaahh! |
| 03:29.46 | x3n0 | any ideas? |
| 03:29.48 | fyrmedic | fsmunoz |
| 03:29.52 | krazykit | x3n0, xorg-dev perhaps? |
| 03:29.57 | amphi | x3n0: you need the X -dev package |
| 03:29.59 | fyrmedic | thank you. |
| 03:29.59 | krazykit | x3n0, assuming you're not on sarge |
| 03:30.07 | fsmunoz | fyrmedic, yw. |
| 03:30.10 | x3n0 | sid |
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| 03:32.00 | fsmunoz | fyrmedic, do understand that what I said above is no attack on Ubuntu. It is a reflexion of the present day demographic of each distro. You can always try and install Debian, see how it goes from there, ask help in here if you reach some bottleneck. If you decide you're better of with Ubuntu, no hard feelings. As long as it's free software :) |
| 03:33.11 | fyrmedic | fsmunoz; No offense taken at all. Thank you. I may switch over in the near future as I get better at all of this. |
| 03:33.47 | fsmunoz | Right, Just wanted to clear that up. |
| 03:34.15 | abrotman | fsmunoz: admit it .. you're an ubuntu hater! |
| 03:34.21 | fsmunoz | abrotman, ehehe |
| 03:34.40 | minerale | My gzip is corrupted, I keep getting seg faults -- I can't do update as it depends on it |
| 03:34.42 | x3n0 | not keen on ubuntu myself |
| 03:34.47 | x3n0 | but... |
| 03:35.02 | piper69_ | abrotman: i give up right now on that card.... but thank you very much trying to help me |
| 03:35.06 | minerale | could someone send me an uncompressed binary of gzip from sarge ? |
| 03:35.26 | abrotman | piper69: i'd ask #wireless tomorrow .. they seem to be sleeping now |
| 03:35.30 | fedx | i can't get the debian cd to mount for some reason... it's iso9660 right? |
| 03:35.42 | x3n0 | it has helped me persuade friends, relatives & coleagues to migrate to linux. |
| 03:35.45 | fsmunoz | minerale, why don't you download the deb and extract it locally, and copy the file ? |
| 03:35.51 | piper69_ | abrotman: cool thanks bro |
| 03:35.52 | Harzilein | the ubuntu community support seems less experienced and many a times people dont post followups after they "get it working" |
| 03:36.49 | minerale | fsmunoz: I'm not even sure what's wrong, here's a strace of it running: http://code.bulix.org/423xe3-35283?raw |
| 03:37.44 | concept10 | distrowars suck. in the end, its still GUN/Linux |
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| 03:38.41 | abrotman | GUN/Linux ? |
| 03:38.43 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:38.51 | fsmunoz | minerale, strange indeed... any weird environmental variable going on there? |
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| 03:39.19 | Coweater | just a bit of yoda speak |
| 03:39.20 | fsmunoz | Expecially absurdly large ones? It would be a real bug in gzip though, so I doubt it |
| 03:40.00 | Harzilein | concept10: i'm far from a debian fanboy but the notion that you get more people in the debian "user" community that have _insight_ in your problem than with ubuntu seems right to me |
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| 03:40.01 | concept10 | abrotman, GUN/Linux -- GUN/Linux is Under No means GNU/Linux |
| 03:40.24 | rpc | make peace not guns |
| 03:40.27 | fsmunoz | minerale, dowload the deb, dpkg-deb -x <deb> and try to run the one in the uncompressed ./bin folder... |
| 03:41.12 | minerale | fsmunoz: ok, I just rebooted ... zcat is broken too |
| 03:41.20 | concept10 | Harzilein, I told the ubuntu guys they need a grown up channel |
| 03:42.20 | concept10 | I wonder if I could get Debian running on my impOSCar |
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| 03:43.09 | Harzilein | yesterday, i've seen someone running JLime on his jornada 680... debian should get as slick on that thing too imho |
| 03:43.20 | fsmunoz | minerale, that's odd since netierh depends on an external lib, just libc6... |
| 03:43.33 | abrotman | debian used to run on jornados .. not sure if it still does |
| 03:43.43 | abrotman | i think anyways |
| 03:45.41 | concept10 | my access is slow for some reason |
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| 03:46.40 | va | i have a postgresql process that eats 100% cpu and doesn't die from 'kill -9' . How do I kill it? |
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| 03:46.53 | abrotman | kill the parent possibly |
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| 03:47.00 | minerale | fsmunoz: ok, I coped over the updated gzip -- it's still segfaulting |
| 03:47.02 | aFlag | minerale: what did you do to your system? :O |
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| 03:47.32 | abrotman | minerale: have you checked syslog/messages for other errors ? |
| 03:47.44 | StarWars | i am a Debian Guru :) |
| 03:47.49 | va | abrotman: how do find out its parent? |
| 03:47.51 | fsmunoz | minerale, does it segfault with any user? |
| 03:47.54 | StarWars | love debian :)> |
| 03:48.11 | aFlag | minerale: those are the only two programs that segfault? |
| 03:48.15 | abrotman | ps -ef |
| 03:48.22 | Cha0t|c | i might get shot for this, i finally got debian working had to use lilo |
| 03:48.32 | abrotman | lilo! |
| 03:48.33 | Cha0t|c | but uh what ftp site should be used for packages |
| 03:48.37 | aFlag | could it be a problem on zlib? |
| 03:48.41 | abrotman | minerale: zless ? |
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| 03:48.42 | minerale | Ok, I can't even cat anymore -- cat gives me segfaults |
| 03:48.45 | aFlag | minerale: have you tried reinstalling zlib? |
| 03:48.50 | aFlag | hm |
| 03:48.56 | fsmunoz | minerale, that's something with libc6 |
| 03:49.00 | aFlag | not zlib probably then |
| 03:49.11 | abrotman | minerale: nothing int he logs ? |
| 03:49.22 | minerale | I'm looking at the logs right now ... |
| 03:49.34 | fsmunoz | zcat, gzip and cat all depends only on libc6... |
| 03:49.40 | abrotman | it'd be either messages or syslog |
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| 03:49.58 | aFlag | have you installed any programs not part of debian recently? |
| 03:50.10 | abrotman | like win32 spyware, etc ... |
| 03:50.16 | va | abrotman: the parent is init (PID 1) . AFAIK it shouldn't be touched, correct? |
| 03:50.21 | fsmunoz | And not whanthing to be paranoid ot anything, but anything that segfaults is a good way to run arbitrary code. It's not probably that though. |
| 03:50.25 | abrotman | va: uhm .. no |
| 03:50.37 | abrotman | va: you can try other kill signals |
| 03:50.48 | va | tried -STOP |
| 03:50.49 | fsmunoz | minerale, any recent libc6 update? |
| 03:51.01 | va | and the default signal |
| 03:51.03 | va | nothing |
| 03:51.07 | minerale | I might have... let me try replacing libc6 |
| 03:51.17 | fsmunoz | argh |
| 03:51.21 | fsmunoz | be careful |
| 03:51.28 | fsmunoz | Everything stops working! |
| 03:51.34 | aFlag | you should backup first |
| 03:51.47 | abrotman | va: kill -15 ? |
| 03:51.48 | fsmunoz | but.... bash apparetnyl works... |
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| 03:52.08 | fsmunoz | mindframe, and bash depends on libc6, of course... so I find it weird... |
| 03:52.18 | abrotman | sevenpacks: but you just got here! |
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| 03:52.59 | abrotman | minerale: no log errors ? |
| 03:53.01 | sevenpacks | s/mindframe/minerale |
| 03:53.29 | francose | how to determine if a router supposrt vpn or a partcular protocol for vpn? |
| 03:53.34 | va | abrotman: does nothing |
| 03:53.47 | abrotman | va: rebooty time! |
| 03:53.54 | fsmunoz | minerale, if you can, install sash! |
| 03:54.00 | x3n0 | ok xorg-dev sorted first part... |
| 03:54.30 | x3n0 | but a 2nd error comes up. |
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| 03:55.22 | punto | hi.. I'm getting this from 'apt-get update': Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) |
| 03:55.34 | abrotman | use another mirror |
| 03:55.41 | va | abrotman: ok, it's a remote system that was running for 345 days, I don't feel so sure it will come up but what are you going to do... |
| 03:55.54 | abrotman | 345 days is meaningless |
| 03:56.01 | abrotman | va: does the init script kill it ? |
| 03:56.12 | va | abrotman: no |
| 03:56.44 | abrotman | va: you can try all the other TERM signals |
| 03:57.13 | x3n0 | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found |
| 03:57.36 | abrotman | libqt3-dev |
| 03:58.08 | x3n0 | is there a 4? |
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| 03:58.19 | abrotman | look and see |
| 03:58.50 | x3n0 | far enough |
| 03:59.10 | stevepastelan | hi |
| 03:59.18 | punto | cool, that works.. thanks |
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| 04:00.25 | stevepastelan | I have a script that takes a filename argument.. how do I run it once for every file in the current dir that matches a pattern, e.g. *.mp3? |
| 04:00.55 | abrotman | xargs |
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| 04:01.00 | abrotman | or learn shell scripting |
| 04:01.01 | fsmunoz | xargs |
| 04:01.06 | fsmunoz | to late :( |
| 04:01.15 | abrotman | way late! |
| 04:01.18 | fsmunoz | ehe |
| 04:01.28 | stevepastelan | ty :)) |
| 04:01.47 | sevenpacks | ... |
| 04:01.53 | abrotman | !!! |
| 04:01.54 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
| 04:02.09 | fsmunoz | or for file in $(ls); do myscript $file; done |
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| 04:02.40 | abrotman | ls *.mp3 |
| 04:02.40 | francose | nobody uses vpn here? |
| 04:02.52 | sevenpacks | the real csh is on mainframes |
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| 04:03.16 | sevenpacks | s/real/typical |
| 04:04.23 | sevenpacks | well, i have a small question |
| 04:04.40 | abrotman | bout time! |
| 04:05.24 | sevenpacks | is it possible a vax machine faster than your p4 pc? |
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| 04:06.42 | abrotman | sevenpacks: wrong channel |
| 04:06.52 | sevenpacks | ok... |
| 04:06.56 | stevepastelan | xargs is awesome, but it chokes on quote characters in filenames.. (I'm using ls -v *.mp3 | xargs -I '{}' echo |
| 04:06.56 | stevepastelan | {} ) |
| 04:07.14 | stevepastelan | man page says I need to escape them |
| 04:07.22 | stevepastelan | but how do I do it? |
| 04:07.41 | abrotman | why do your filenames have quotes ? |
| 04:07.51 | stevepastelan | to represent possessives :D |
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| 04:08.25 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 04:08.25 | va | abrotman: tried all 63 signals, rebooted, now ok, thanks for the help |
| 04:08.30 | abrotman | va: hehe :) |
| 04:08.34 | stevepastelan | is there a tool that will replace every ' with \' in stdin and will pipe the result to stdout? |
| 04:08.39 | abrotman | rename |
| 04:08.40 | Azar | damn! abrotman did it again! |
| 04:09.00 | fsmunoz | stevepastelan, "ls -b" |
| 04:09.22 | abrotman | take out the spaces too! |
| 04:09.41 | Azar | DunkTank mentioned again in "Money or nothing? Trade-offs in FOSS compensation" |
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| 04:10.09 | stevepastelan | fsmunoz: -b doesn't want to escape quotes :( |
| 04:10.12 | Azar | .. and the question does not seem to have a happy answer |
| 04:10.22 | fsmunoz | stevepastelan, the bastard! |
| 04:10.23 | fsmunoz | ehe |
| 04:10.26 | stevepastelan | heh |
| 04:10.43 | fsmunoz | It works for spaces though... |
| 04:11.13 | stevepastelan | fsmunoz: oddly enough, on my box, it doesn't escape the spaces either |
| 04:11.21 | abrotman | for loop with "$i" or whatever ? |
| 04:11.22 | sevenpacks | it sounds more like a test than a question |
| 04:11.33 | abrotman | or ls -Q |
| 04:11.51 | stevepastelan | eh |
| 04:11.52 | stevepastelan | Nike:/Volumes/Music/5`nizza - О5 stevepastelan$ ls -Q |
| 04:11.53 | stevepastelan | ls: illegal option -- Q |
| 04:12.07 | fsmunoz | Illegal? What ls is that? |
| 04:12.18 | stevepastelan | I hope I don't go to jail for this ;\ |
| 04:12.22 | abrotman | stevepastelan: is that linux ? |
| 04:12.28 | stevepastelan | oh shit |
| 04:12.29 | stevepastelan | it's bsd |
| 04:12.29 | fsmunoz | Ehehe |
| 04:12.34 | fsmunoz | It's not GNU ls |
| 04:12.35 | abrotman | it's bad ? |
| 04:12.38 | fsmunoz | HERESY |
| 04:12.39 | stevepastelan | *eats his hat* |
| 04:13.04 | abrotman | stevepastelan: try a for loop that puts the var in " .. ask #bash for more help |
| 04:13.12 | stevepastelan | k good plan |
| 04:13.29 | stevepastelan | so sorry guys |
| 04:13.36 | stevepastelan | I thought it was close enough ;\ |
| 04:13.38 | stevepastelan | ^^ |
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| 04:17.45 | fsmunoz | stevepastelan, brute force, but this might work... |
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| 04:17.56 | fsmunoz | stevepastelan, export IFS=$(echo $'\x0A') |
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| 04:18.28 | fsmunoz | then, for f in $(ls); do echo $f; done (echo is placeholder for your command) |
| 04:18.37 | Agrajag- | g'day. i want to join the virtualization crowd, but not sure where to start with debian. if i want to be able to run a few different debian instances on the one set of hardware, can i do this today with sarge? testing? |
| 04:19.01 | Agrajag- | (so debian as the host and as the guests) |
| 04:19.02 | fsmunoz | stevepastelan, assuming your shell prints a newline with echo $'\x0A'... |
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| 04:19.25 | stevepastelan | hm |
| 04:19.27 | stevepastelan | quite a hack :p |
| 04:19.34 | rpc | Agrajag- you might be very happy with virtualbox |
| 04:19.35 | stevepastelan | #bash offered this |
| 04:19.35 | stevepastelan | juanmabc: stevepastelan: for f in *.mp3; do command "$f"; done ? |
| 04:19.40 | fsmunoz | stevepastelan, I did say it was brute :) |
| 04:19.47 | rpc | Agrajag- it's the easiest to try and works very well |
| 04:19.48 | stevepastelan | :) heh thanks |
| 04:19.58 | stevepastelan | anyway, that for loop worked awesomely |
| 04:20.24 | rpc | hmm... is it really legal? for f in *.mp3 |
| 04:20.53 | rpc | i usually do this with for i in `ls *.mp3`; do rm $i; done |
| 04:21.00 | fsmunoz | yes, the shell expands it |
| 04:21.03 | rpc | damn nice then |
| 04:21.09 | rpc | thanks very much for the hint |
| 04:21.12 | Agrajag- | rpc: hmm i haven't found much mention of virtualbox.. i've been reading the kernelnewbies virt wiki |
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| 04:21.24 | stevepastelan | hehe np |
| 04:21.38 | Nyle | i use virtul box its great |
| 04:21.42 | rpc | Agrajag- that's because vbox is quite fresh... try virtualbox.org for .deb for your distro :) and nice manual too |
| 04:21.50 | stevepastelan | rpc: #bash: TheBonsai: ls is the worst tool to get a filelist you can work automated with |
| 04:21.51 | fsmunoz | I used the IFS thingie because I thogut that the problem could be with the "for i" part of the script, not with the main body. Gald the solution is simpler thhough |
| 04:21.52 | rpc | Nyle cheero :) |
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| 04:22.03 | Agrajag- | rpc: ok cheers i'll have a read of the docs and stuff |
| 04:22.05 | rpc | stevepastelan argh |
| 04:22.11 | Nyle | cheero in my language means RIPPING APART! |
| 04:22.15 | Nyle | hehe |
| 04:22.20 | rpc | Agrajag- the manual is in pdf format and it rocks - you will see |
| 04:22.28 | rpc | Nyle oh lmao |
| 04:22.46 | Xenguy | Agrajag-: VMware Server works on sarge and etch (but is only freeware, not FOSS); I hear that kqemu (qemu accelerator) has been released under a FOSS license now, so we will probably see that soon in Debian. I want to try that as soon as it is packaged. |
| 04:23.05 | fsmunoz | Agrajag-, there is also Xen. Not sure if it's in sarge though |
| 04:23.08 | rpc | xen is great too but it's harder to setup |
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| 04:23.24 | rpc | it's my second best offer though :) |
| 04:23.42 | Agrajag- | ok, thanks guys, i'll read up some more |
| 04:23.45 | Nyle | VirtualBox is great |
| 04:24.01 | rpc | Nyle cheero (rotfl) |
| 04:24.04 | Xenguy | Agrajag-: virtualbox looks promising. I have one instance of it, and it works fine (although I seem to have to run it as root thus far, could just be my own stupidity, not sure) |
| 04:24.05 | Nyle | heh |
| 04:24.06 | Nyle | cheerio! |
| 04:24.08 | Agrajag- | yeah so far that's looking pretty good, considering it's looking easy enough to setup on sarge |
| 04:24.13 | rpc | aye ;) |
| 04:24.33 | rpc | i'm just trying to speak english, pardon my dust :) |
| 04:24.43 | sevenpacks | I saw the news of VirtualBox recently |
| 04:25.06 | sevenpacks | do they wanna push it now? |
| 04:25.10 | rpc | 1.3.6 has many decent changes and it's being developed very actively |
| 04:25.28 | rpc | it's faster than vmware too and faster than virtualpc 2007 |
| 04:25.43 | rpc | worth trying |
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| 04:26.31 | Xenguy | rpc: looks like my version is 1.3.2 - I should try an updated version when I have a chance |
| 04:26.38 | Nyle | its also free |
| 04:26.41 | Nyle | free is good |
| 04:26.51 | Xenguy | yep :-) |
| 04:26.55 | rpc | Xenguy oh lol yes |
| 04:26.56 | Agrajag- | im planning to run mysql/apache2 (quite heavy usage of those) on the guests, not much else |
| 04:27.01 | rpc | 1.3.2 is ancient so far... |
| 04:27.18 | Xenguy | rpc: It was the first FOSS release AFAIK |
| 04:27.19 | rpc | Nyle it is free for non-commercial use, yes, open source too |
| 04:27.29 | Xenguy | rpc: I tried it right away ;-) |
| 04:28.10 | sevenpacks | s/FOSS/OSS |
| 04:28.25 | sevenpacks | my bad, s/FOSS/FSS |
| 04:28.48 | rpc | Xenguy he he |
| 04:28.56 | sevenpacks | open != free |
| 04:28.57 | Xenguy | fill yer boots =) |
| 04:29.26 | Xenguy | yer preaching to the converted here :-) |
| 04:29.28 | sevenpacks | i think that's a motto of ibm |
| 04:30.26 | abrotman | TPS ? |
| 04:30.30 | fsmunoz | eh |
| 04:30.45 | Xenguy | abrotman: Office Space? |
| 04:30.46 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 04:31.05 | karma_ | Hello! Is there some function i can convert ifindex (sll.ifindex) to interface name (like eth0) ? |
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| 04:32.24 | rpc | there is something sick going on with my other box... |
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| 04:32.56 | klhrevolutionist | there are 14 iso-cd's http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:33.09 | rpc | i can't connect anymore, it doesn't ping... but one of my ssh sessions is still returning tail -f lines from /var/log/messages... do you know what the hell is going on? |
| 04:33.34 | rpc | Mar 5 05:25:01 mindstorm kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 04:33.34 | rpc | Mar 5 05:25:37 mindstorm last message repeated 3 times |
| 04:33.39 | abrotman | klhrevolutionist: if you have broadband .. use the netinst |
| 04:33.41 | rpc | and it keeps on going like that |
| 04:34.00 | marc\cba | heh, hacked. http://www.hotlinks.co.uk/home.htm |
| 04:34.09 | rpc | yaya. |
| 04:34.27 | klhrevolutionist | Do I need all 14, am I going to have to download 14 gigantic cd's ? |
| 04:34.42 | rpc | no. get the 1st one :) |
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| 04:35.04 | klhrevolutionist | rpc: debian-31r5-i386-binary-1.iso <-- |
| 04:35.07 | Xenguy | marc\cba: cracked indeed |
| 04:35.20 | rpc | yes klhrevolutionist |
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| 04:36.23 | fsmunoz | Damn. With a nicer NFO like banner and some chiptune that page would be so late early 90's :D |
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| 04:38.07 | rpc | chiptunes are great |
| 04:39.19 | fsmunoz | Indeed they are. |
| 04:39.56 | fsmunoz | And fortunatelt there are some nice trackers avaliable for the Free Unices |
| 04:40.13 | fsmunoz | Most of them free software. |
| 04:41.34 | minerale | so my libc6 was giving me weird errors ( I have no idea how.. ) -- I downloaded the updated dpkg -- tried installing it.. no luck, extracted it, did a cp -r * / -> system froze -> system hosed... (Lession: Don't ever do that) -> I had to dig out a backup from a while ago |
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| 04:42.21 | fsmunoz | minerale, don't forget to install sash |
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| 04:43.05 | sevenpacks | fsmunoz, is there a stuff called fido? |
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| 04:43.31 | fsmunoz | sevenpacks, like in FidoNet? |
| 04:43.37 | sevenpacks | hahaha |
| 04:43.41 | fsmunoz | :) |
| 04:43.50 | sevenpacks | gotcha, old man |
| 04:43.58 | minerale | fidogate ? |
| 04:44.01 | fsmunoz | GTG, Zone Mail Hour is approaching! |
| 04:44.04 | fsmunoz | Ehehe |
| 04:44.11 | azahid | can someone tell me what is rpm-sys channel in smart. it seems to get added automatically |
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| 04:44.23 | rue_mohr | !tell rue_mohr about PGP |
| 04:44.24 | pinx | beer o'clock :D |
| 04:45.00 | rue_mohr | !tell rue_mohr about public_key |
| 04:45.10 | rue_mohr | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 04:45.36 | sevenpacks | lol, what's that? |
| 04:45.51 | rue_mohr | there is a package I need to get with keys in it |
| 04:45.56 | fsmunoz | FidoNet was nice at the time... the Internet took it's time to be really common and affoardable around here, so BBS's and UUCP had an extra 2/3 years of glory :) |
| 04:46.02 | rue_mohr | if I knew more I wouldn't be here |
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| 04:46.21 | minerale | fsmunoz: my guess is that cp itself is linking to libc --> ... albeit I have no idea how libc is updated |
| 04:46.45 | rue_mohr | msg dpkg no public key |
| 04:46.45 | fsmunoz | minerale, just about everything lis linked to libc, hence my previous warning :) |
| 04:46.46 | sevenpacks | catch-22 |
| 04:46.47 | rue_mohr | oops |
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| 04:47.21 | fsmunoz | minerale, I know about sash because I accidentaly renamed libc6 some years ago. Oh the aggro... |
| 04:47.27 | rpc | YES. i fixed it! |
| 04:47.39 | sevenpacks | minerale, would that be a trouble for a lfs user? |
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| 04:48.12 | minerale | fsmunoz: thank god I use unixshell.com, they provide a web interface for creating/restoring backups |
| 04:48.32 | sevenpacks | O.O |
| 04:48.36 | edison04 | Help, can i have two domain name who point to the same IP but different directory ex: first.com -> IP/first/ and second.com ->IP/second/ ? |
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| 04:48.49 | fsmunoz | minerale, now... how the hell did you get a shell with a hosed libc6 is beyhond me... |
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| 04:50.35 | minerale | fsmunoz: I was trying to install an IBM terminal emulator -- with no backports -- so I tried to manually copy over from a testing system |
| 04:50.47 | sevenpacks | minerale, you sould avoid this if you rebuilt the system in some ways.... |
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| 04:51.02 | fsmunoz | minerale, was libc6 included in that copy operation? |
| 04:51.12 | sevenpacks | minerale, iirc, there are many solutions |
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| 04:51.48 | sevenpacks | minerale, in one words, piece of cake |
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| 04:53.59 | |ryan| | Is there a way to avoid a frame buffer in the etch installer? |
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| 04:54.17 | simonrvn | safe graphics mode |
| 04:54.19 | simonrvn | ? |
| 04:54.25 | teledyn_ | |ryan|: vga=1 or vga=normal |
| 04:54.39 | |ryan| | i used fb=false |
| 04:54.52 | fsmunoz | Good night all |
| 04:54.57 | |ryan| | I'm installing on a Via EPIAA board with a TV as my monitor |
| 04:55.04 | |ryan| | it doesn't like the framebuffer |
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| 04:55.51 | sevenpacks | iirc, the framebuffer drivers in the kernel are buggy |
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| 04:56.10 | sevenpacks | 99% of them |
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| 04:56.35 | sevenpacks | |ryan|, do you have a nvidia card? |
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| 04:56.40 | |ryan| | no |
| 04:56.45 | sevenpacks | ati? |
| 04:56.47 | teledyn_ | which has nothing to do with the debian kernel which uses vesa |
| 04:56.49 | |ryan| | no |
| 04:56.53 | sevenpacks | ??? |
| 04:57.03 | |ryan| | on-board video card |
| 04:57.17 | sevenpacks | intel igp? |
| 04:57.18 | |ryan| | It's a VIA EPIA MII |
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| 04:57.24 | sevenpacks | @#$%^&* |
| 04:57.33 | sevenpacks | oh~~~~~` |
| 04:57.35 | |ryan| | I'm not sure what video chipset it has |
| 04:57.41 | |ryan| | and I don't feel like looking it up |
| 04:57.42 | sevenpacks | S3? |
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| 04:58.01 | teledyn_ | is it me, or are both #debian channels getting ubuntuized? or is it just because its evening in the US? |
| 04:58.16 | Azar | teledyn_: no is sunday and full moon |
| 04:58.38 | simonrvn | almost midnight here... |
| 04:58.46 | |ryan| | sevenpacks: VT6102 "Intergated CastelRock Graphics" |
| 04:58.49 | sevenpacks | would wolfman come out? |
| 04:58.50 | Azar | simonrvn: yea they usually last late.. |
| 04:59.29 | Azar | observe the discretion of abrotman and guerin... they know is sunday |
| 04:59.33 | simonrvn | full moon was yesterday... eclipse, remember? :) |
| 04:59.38 | madd_matt | Hello. I'm migrating my root filesystem to a new disk. Simply using "cp" to move files should do the job, omitting /proc and /dev? My question is, are there any static /dev nodes i'll need to copy in order to boot, and am I going to need to chroot to install grub? |
| 04:59.43 | sevenpacks | |ryan|, does VT6102 has a framebuffer driver in the kernel? |
| 04:59.45 | Azar | simonrvn: ahhh damn I lost it |
| 04:59.55 | simonrvn | lost what? |
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| 05:00.04 | |ryan| | sevenpacks: Don't know. I don't care right now. |
| 05:00.07 | Azar | simonrvn: the eclipse |
| 05:00.09 | teledyn_ | both channels tend to get better around 10:00 UTC |
| 05:00.17 | simonrvn | oh, you mean missed, ok |
| 05:00.20 | |ryan| | It should work via vesafb |
| 05:00.28 | |ryan| | which is fine with me |
| 05:01.00 | sevenpacks | |ryan|, in my case, these framebuffer drivers in the kernel are buggy, whatever nvidia or ati |
| 05:01.04 | rpc | dudes what would be a better way of checking if networking is up than a ping? |
| 05:01.04 | Azar | I assume it will be quiet since the campaign is going on |
| 05:01.10 | teledyn_ | and go to hell around 15:00 UTC |
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| 05:01.16 | rpc | i need some fresh idea :) |
| 05:01.16 | |ryan| | sevenpacks: it's not nvidia or ati |
| 05:01.20 | |ryan| | ffs |
| 05:01.34 | sevenpacks | just for the example |
| 05:01.41 | gpm | hi, how would i recursively find all NON-mp3 files? |
| 05:01.46 | simonrvn | vesafb should work, supports most everything ;p |
| 05:01.59 | |ryan| | if the vesafb driver is buggey, then someone needs an ass-kicking |
| 05:02.01 | sevenpacks | not always |
| 05:02.04 | minerale | madd_matt: I'd suggest installing grub, (you might be able to use dd to copy the mbr) -- I have found the gentoo install docs very useful for doing what you are trying to do (no trolling, just that installing gentoo essentially means installing the basics and extracting a minimally booting system ) |
| 05:02.06 | sevenpacks | hehe |
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| 05:02.25 | teledyn_ | vesa is WHAT the debian installer kernel uses, but that doesn't stop them from going on about framebuffer drivers of all types for 10+ min |
| 05:02.29 | vignesh | Hi |
| 05:02.37 | sevenpacks | i think vesafb needs some fix |
| 05:02.38 | gpm | !hi |
| 05:02.38 | dpkg | hello, gpm |
| 05:02.42 | simonrvn | vesa, not vesafb |
| 05:02.49 | sevenpacks | oh |
| 05:02.49 | vignesh | I unable to configure my mixer |
| 05:02.55 | |ryan| | Can we please stop talking about this? |
| 05:02.56 | simonrvn | teledyn_: ^^ |
| 05:02.57 | sevenpacks | vesa is ok |
| 05:02.57 | madd_matt | minerale, yes, I moonlight as a gentoo user ;) |
| 05:03.06 | vignesh | I use Debian Testing kde version |
| 05:03.08 | sevenpacks | vesa is ok and stable |
| 05:03.26 | vignesh | yes.. I use vesa too.. since my mobo is new and has no driver in X |
| 05:03.28 | stevepastelan | gpm: ls -R | grep -v .mp3 maybe? |
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| 05:03.42 | stevepastelan | although ls is bad to use for automation ;p |
| 05:03.47 | Guerin | gpm: find / |grep -v \.mp3$ |
| 05:03.56 | vignesh | Can anyone help me configure my sound card |
| 05:04.00 | Azar | ah what a pleasure, mr Guerin! |
| 05:04.01 | |ryan| | I've spent the past three hours trying to get this infernal thing to boot, and I'm kinda grumpy. |
| 05:04.07 | gpm | Guerin: is that the only way to negate? i wanted to use a character class |
| 05:04.24 | vignesh | I tried running alsaconf but still I don`t get any sound |
| 05:04.30 | sevenpacks | vignesh, iirc, even the vesa has a driver in the X |
| 05:04.34 | Guerin | gpm: try not to make up terminology. Explain what you want to do, in plain english. |
| 05:04.38 | simonrvn | |ryan|: is there a safe graphics mode on that thing? (been a while for me...) |
| 05:04.41 | Guerin | Azar: arr. |
| 05:04.50 | Azar | vignesh: did you run alsamixer? |
| 05:04.56 | vignesh | I get an error |
| 05:05.04 | |ryan| | simonrvn: there was some framebuffer disable option I used |
| 05:05.07 | Azar | vignesh: try to install it |
| 05:05.10 | sevenpacks | what error? |
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| 05:05.14 | vignesh | alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument |
| 05:05.17 | gpm | Guerin: something like: find / |grep .*\.[^mp3]$ |
| 05:05.22 | simonrvn | needs the device files ... |
| 05:05.32 | vignesh | ubuntu used the hda-intel sound driver... works fine.. |
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| 05:05.37 | |ryan| | and i only used it because I didn't feel like seeing which fb modes work well with TV-out on this thing |
| 05:05.46 | Azar | vignesh: you should load your alsa modules "snd_xxxxxxxx" in /etc/modules and remove the oss ones |
| 05:05.49 | keram | is there an alsa-lib package? |
| 05:05.55 | simonrvn | |ryan|: did it work? |
| 05:06.04 | |ryan| | i'm installing now |
| 05:06.08 | gpm | Guerin: the thing is that i want it to find files that are .[something not mp3], because the command you gave will find directories too |
| 05:06.09 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 05:06.12 | vignesh | How do I query for a package ? |
| 05:06.14 | Azar | vignesh: ubuntu uses other stuff I am not aware of |
| 05:06.16 | sevenpacks | vignesh, i happen to see there is an intel-hda driver in the kernel |
| 05:06.16 | Guerin | gpm: sure, go to it. |
| 05:06.22 | simonrvn | gpm: so -type f |
| 05:06.30 | gpm | simonrvn: ah, i need to man grep |
| 05:06.34 | gpm | thanks guys |
| 05:06.36 | Guerin | and man find |
| 05:06.38 | simonrvn | that's for find, not grep |
| 05:06.42 | gpm | oh |
| 05:06.43 | Azar | vignesh: apt-cache search "packagename" |
| 05:06.44 | gpm | d'oh |
| 05:07.01 | keram | vignesh, or aptitude search packagename |
| 05:07.06 | vignesh | alsalib is not installed i guess |
| 05:07.29 | madd_matt | cp doesn't preserve permissions, what should I be doing to make a proper backup? |
| 05:07.35 | gpm | there we go |
| 05:07.37 | keram | what is the name of the alsa lib? |
| 05:07.40 | keram | i cant find it? |
| 05:07.40 | Guerin | madd_matt: cp does so too preserve permissions. |
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| 05:08.10 | simonrvn | sure it does... need sufficient privs to keep *all* of them, no matter what |
| 05:08.13 | madd_matt | Guerin, ownership, rather. I cp'ied files as root and the new ones were all owned by root:root |
| 05:08.26 | Nyle | hey everyone is here |
| 05:08.33 | simonrvn | no, i'm a zombie |
| 05:08.33 | Guerin | madd_matt: yes. You didn't do it right. |
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| 05:08.44 | Azar | everyone no, but nobody yes |
| 05:08.47 | Nyle | Azar: simonrvn: Guerin <nod> |
| 05:08.55 | Nyle | or 3 nods |
| 05:08.56 | simonrvn | Nyle: *grin* |
| 05:09.11 | madd_matt | Guerin, i missed the --preserve flag in the cp manpage |
| 05:09.13 | Azar | hi Nyle did you bring the crocodiles too? |
| 05:09.24 | Nyle | Azar: man moving sucks |
| 05:09.27 | Nyle | :( |
| 05:09.36 | vignesh | Also.. the fonts in ice weasel appear very small since its based on gtk.. any soultion for that ? |
| 05:09.45 | Nyle | vignesh: you're on kde? |
| 05:09.48 | vignesh | yes |
| 05:09.57 | vignesh | I installed the kde version of debian testing |
| 05:10.05 | Nyle | vignesh: aptitude install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 05:10.13 | vignesh | ok.. |
| 05:10.15 | Azar | yeheee! we got choices now |
| 05:10.16 | Guerin | madd_matt: -a is usually better |
| 05:10.23 | Nyle | vignesh: it will install a kcontrol module for you, and you can control gtk fonts and styles through it |
| 05:10.44 | Nyle | vignesh: or you can install gtk-theme-switch I think |
| 05:10.48 | vignesh | Nyle: no matches |
| 05:11.09 | vignesh | any repo link please |
| 05:11.09 | simonrvn | gtk2-engines-qt iirc |
| 05:11.19 | Nyle | !info gtk2-engines-gtk-qt sarge |
| 05:11.26 | dpkg | gtk2-engines-gtk-qt: (theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.60-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 300 kB |
| 05:11.32 | Nyle | and same for etch/sid |
| 05:11.33 | simonrvn | s/he's on etch |
| 05:11.39 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 05:11.57 | simonrvn | weird-assed names... |
| 05:12.00 | Nyle | heh |
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| 05:12.26 | Nyle | vignesh: it only controls gtk2 fonts. you might consider gtk-theme-switch I think for gtk/gtk2 control |
| 05:12.47 | vignesh | I am getting the pkgs from packages.debian.org |
| 05:12.58 | Nyle | vignesh: why not apt-get? |
| 05:13.29 | vignesh | I don`t have the repos in sources.list |
| 05:13.45 | Nyle | did you install from a cd? |
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| 05:14.02 | Nyle | even so it still sets up the net repositories |
| 05:14.11 | vignesh | it still appears the same |
| 05:14.35 | Nyle | try gtk-theme-switch |
| 05:14.44 | Nyle | binaries are called switch and switch2 |
| 05:14.58 | Nyle | for gtk and gtk2 respectively. set the font size there |
| 05:15.02 | vignesh | solved.. I had the downloads windows open... I restarted it and its fine now.. thanks |
| 05:15.05 | simonrvn | you'll need to quit iceweasel, the moz apps don't update the fonts very well |
| 05:15.09 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:15.21 | vignesh | now how do i get the sound working / |
| 05:15.27 | vignesh | alsa-lib is not installed |
| 05:15.32 | Nyle | vignesh: apt-get install alsa |
| 05:15.40 | Nyle | vignesh: you should first fix your sources.list |
| 05:16.05 | vignesh | can u tell me a repo link .. I live in India |
| 05:16.30 | Nyle | vignesh: try deb http://ftp.<your country code two letter here>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 05:16.40 | vignesh | ok.. |
| 05:16.42 | Nyle | !mirrors |
| 05:16.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 05:21.18 | vignesh | I tried ftp.at.debian.org doesn`t work.. Its unable to fetch a few index files |
| 05:21.36 | FleaDie | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.38 | vignesh | I `ll download the pkgs manually.. tell me the ones I need |
| 05:21.59 | Nyle | vignesh: try ftp.debian.org then |
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| 05:22.06 | vignesh | yes. I get 4 results |
| 05:22.22 | Nyle | no country code |
| 05:22.35 | vignesh | Nyle: failed.. |
| 05:22.43 | Nyle | what does it say |
| 05:22.49 | Nyle | !paster vignesh |
| 05:22.49 | dpkg | vignesh: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 05:23.25 | minerale | vignesh: india? |
| 05:23.29 | vignesh | yes |
| 05:23.33 | vignesh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 05:23.42 | Nyle | umm |
| 05:25.07 | Nyle | vignesh: after you modify /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update, what errors does it give you? |
| 05:25.27 | vignesh | I have pasted it |
| 05:25.29 | vignesh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 05:25.32 | Nyle | no you have not |
| 05:25.47 | vignesh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5560 |
| 05:25.50 | vignesh | sorry,, |
| 05:27.11 | gnat_x | hey folks, i'm having an issue with my audio when playing dvds using vlc. i'm running etch. when i watch a dvd, the audio will cut out, and i will get this error "alsa audio output error: write failed (Broken pipe)". my sound otherwise works great without problem, even when using vlc for other stuff. any thoughts on where i should start looking? |
| 05:28.12 | sevenpacks | dta? dolby? |
| 05:28.18 | sevenpacks | s/dta/dts |
| 05:28.35 | Nyle | vignesh: this happens on any mirror? |
| 05:28.43 | vignesh | yes |
| 05:29.05 | Nyle | ok then I'm done |
| 05:29.10 | vignesh | Heh.. |
| 05:29.31 | vignesh | Nyle: I download the pkgs manually.. Tell me what pkgs I need |
| 05:29.36 | Nyle | for// |
| 05:29.37 | vignesh | I = I`ll |
| 05:29.38 | Nyle | I forgot |
| 05:29.41 | vignesh | alsa |
| 05:29.43 | vignesh | problem |
| 05:29.47 | Nyle | apt-get install alsa |
| 05:30.04 | Nyle | now look at the package alsa and see what it depends on and make sure you have em |
| 05:30.08 | rahul | uh |
| 05:30.10 | vignesh | ok |
| 05:30.15 | Nyle | or just alsa-base, alsa-tools, alsa-utils |
| 05:30.15 | rahul | vignesh: use ftp.in.debian.org |
| 05:30.19 | Nyle | and some other stuff |
| 05:30.29 | rahul | hrm |
| 05:30.45 | Nyle | rahul: yeh he gets server errors on any mirror apparantly |
| 05:30.52 | rahul | I doubt it |
| 05:30.53 | Nyle | rahul: I think he has tried this mirror already |
| 05:30.58 | rahul | ftp.jp.debian.org |
| 05:31.19 | Nyle | rahul: I know its strange |
| 05:31.36 | rahul | uh, what is etch/updates? |
| 05:31.43 | rahul | GIGO. |
| 05:31.48 | rahul | garbage in, garbage out. |
| 05:31.52 | vignesh | no same problems |
| 05:31.56 | Nyle | huh |
| 05:32.00 | Nyle | I didn't even look at that |
| 05:32.25 | rahul | yeah, imagine the geometry needed for that |
| 05:32.41 | FleaDie | vignesh: paste u /etc/apt/source.list |
| 05:32.47 | rahul | vignesh: you've got gibberish sources |
| 05:33.32 | vignesh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5561 |
| 05:34.08 | rahul | and wtf is main contrib? |
| 05:34.12 | rahul | contrib depends on non-free |
| 05:34.27 | vignesh | I tried non-free too.. it doesn`t work too |
| 05:34.28 | FleaDie | ftp://ftp.in.debian.org/ <- don't work |
| 05:34.42 | rahul | vignesh: because you have garbage elsewhere |
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| 05:34.50 | rahul | vignesh: it's etch, not etch/updates |
| 05:34.56 | Nyle | ping: unknown host ftp.in.debian.org |
| 05:34.57 | rahul | where did you get etch/updates from? |
| 05:35.11 | rahul | yeah, ftp.jp.debian.org is probably fastest from india |
| 05:35.13 | rahul | hrm |
| 05:35.13 | vignesh | it was there in the sources.list already |
| 05:35.16 | Nyle | rahul: I told him the exact format to use for the sources line |
| 05:35.22 | Nyle | like 10 mins ago |
| 05:35.24 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.39 | vignesh | deb ftp://ftp.jp.debian.org/ etch/ main contrib non-free |
| 05:35.39 | vignesh | is this ok ? |
| 05:35.51 | rahul | just etch |
| 05:36.05 | Nyle | no slash |
| 05:36.13 | vignesh | ok.. |
| 05:36.15 | Nyle | vignesh: man sources.list please |
| 05:36.19 | rahul | !mirrors |
| 05:36.19 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 05:36.31 | vignesh | it again fails |
| 05:36.39 | rahul | wtf |
| 05:36.53 | vignesh | deb ftp://ftp.jp.debian.org/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 05:37.19 | |ryan| | fsck |
| 05:37.21 | Nyle | http:// try that |
| 05:37.23 | |ryan| | installer hung |
| 05:37.29 | rahul | no, ftp:// works |
| 05:37.30 | FleaDie | is ftp://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian |
| 05:37.34 | Nyle | and insert /debian after |
| 05:37.37 | Nyle | yeh that |
| 05:38.33 | Nyle | yeh but c'mon ftp is slow as poo |
| 05:38.48 | rahul | er? |
| 05:38.51 | Nyle | well a real slow poo that takes like 20 minutes |
| 05:38.52 | rahul | ftp is as fast as tcp. |
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| 05:39.02 | Nyle | yes but I've always found http to be fastest |
| 05:39.06 | vignesh | doesn`t work |
| 05:39.14 | FleaDie | :S |
| 05:39.18 | Nyle | per my experience on sarge a year ago with apt-spy |
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| 05:39.24 | Nyle | I tested all mirrors |
| 05:39.38 | vignesh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5562 |
| 05:39.38 | smacnay | Which of the two big desktop managers requires less mem for typical use? |
| 05:39.39 | Nyle | every single http mirror was a lot faster than ftp |
| 05:39.51 | vignesh | smacnay: gnome |
| 05:39.58 | rahul | Nyle: yo mama |
| 05:40.20 | Nyle | rahul: why don't you let apt-spy run and test it out |
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| 05:40.33 | rahul | I use http |
| 05:40.35 | Nyle | from your part of the hhhhhh youre in nyc |
| 05:40.38 | Nyle | nevermind |
| 05:40.40 | Supaplex | humm grep uses 1393m+513m virt+res memory. ouch |
| 05:40.42 | rahul | haha |
| 05:40.42 | Nyle | I thought you were in india |
| 05:40.50 | rahul | you tool |
| 05:40.55 | rahul | stupid texan |
| 05:40.57 | Nyle | ? |
| 05:41.15 | rahul | well, you're not a texan YET |
| 05:41.17 | Nyle | don't make me come over and whoop yo ass |
| 05:41.21 | rahul | but it sounds better :) |
| 05:41.24 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:41.34 | rahul | yeah, come on |
| 05:41.45 | rahul | we'll listen to some metal and mosh |
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| 05:41.54 | Nyle | sure we can do that |
| 05:42.03 | Nyle | smacnay: use xfce |
| 05:42.05 | smacnay | vinboy: thanks |
| 05:42.17 | Nyle | smacnay: that is lighter than gnome and kde and is very nice/lean/clean/customizable |
| 05:42.28 | rahul | why do you need a "desktop manager"? |
| 05:42.36 | smacnay | Nyle: hmm, I have heard of it but must read up on it. |
| 05:42.36 | rahul | what do you think it's supposed to provide? |
| 05:42.49 | rahul | because I haven't seen them provide anything that actually works. |
| 05:43.00 | Nyle | smacnay: you man like a desktop env. or a desktop 'manager' ala kdm/gdm and a 3rd one called xfm |
| 05:43.06 | Nyle | xdm* and surely might be more |
| 05:43.08 | rahul | if I _don't_ use them, I get more funcitonality |
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| 05:43.16 | rahul | wdm |
| 05:43.17 | smacnay | rahul: I am bored with X + console apps and want to play around with something else. |
| 05:43.26 | smacnay | I am interested in trying a desktop environment. |
| 05:43.38 | rahul | a desktop environment is just a fixed set of programs |
| 05:43.42 | Nyle | smacnay: first try xfce |
| 05:43.43 | smacnay | yes |
| 05:43.48 | rahul | most of which do nothing useful. |
| 05:43.54 | rahul | Supaplex: kinky |
| 05:43.55 | Nyle | smacnay: what sort of a machien are you working with? |
| 05:44.35 | rahul | smacnay: honestly, what are you expecting from this desktop shit? |
| 05:45.18 | rahul | because I'm telling you, I only find _less_ with them |
| 05:45.18 | smacnay | rahul: something different but probably nothing I can't do right now with console |
| 05:45.18 | rahul | smacnay: I'm not saying I use console |
| 05:45.18 | Nyle | let the man play with what he wants |
| 05:45.18 | smacnay | Nyle: Athlon 2600+ with 512 M ram. |
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| 05:45.26 | Nyle | smacnay: you're good to go then |
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| 05:45.29 | Nyle | no need to worry about less memory |
| 05:45.38 | Nyle | 512 is ample for any desktop for everyday use |
| 05:45.39 | rahul | anybody wanna watch? |
| 05:45.45 | smacnay | rahul: I am curious about what you use? |
| 05:46.01 | rahul | smacnay: sawfish, Eterm, spager, wmaker applets |
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| 05:46.20 | Nyle | smacnay: and it makes him feel l33t. we let him :) |
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| 05:46.25 | rahul | heh |
| 05:46.29 | Nyle | hehe |
| 05:46.42 | rahul | I'm not 1337 |
| 05:46.51 | rahul | I'm |<3w/_ |
| 05:47.04 | enouf | ugh |
| 05:47.08 | rahul | haha |
| 05:48.11 | rahul | fuckers |
| 05:48.18 | Supaplex | dpkg -i g33k.deb |
| 05:48.19 | rahul | myspace's calendar server is down. |
| 05:48.29 | rahul | heh |
| 05:48.31 | Supaplex | yay I'm a g33k again |
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| 05:48.46 | Nyle | format c:\ |
| 05:48.49 | rahul | I wanna add the wu li gig to my calendar... that's all I wanna do!! |
| 05:49.52 | rahul | damn it, this is making me want to listen to demons and wizards |
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| 05:50.18 | Supaplex | Nyle: sudo shred /proc/kcore |
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| 05:50.20 | Supaplex | :P |
| 05:50.56 | Nyle | killall -9 /bin/laden |
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| 05:51.10 | rahul | a walk through the shadows, we'll soon cross the line. there is one thing for sure, you'll rise nevermore. a walk through the shadows, we'll soon cross the line. beneath these waves you'll sleep! |
| 05:51.16 | Nyle | make love |
| 05:51.33 | Nyle | make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop. |
| 05:51.52 | Supaplex | !sex |
| 05:51.52 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 05:51.53 | rahul | * (set t nil) |
| 05:51.55 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.05 | rahul | * (set nil t) |
| 05:52.07 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.16 | rahul | I win. |
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| 05:52.42 | Spec | gasp? what does gasp do? |
| 05:52.56 | rahul | !find bin/gasp |
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| 05:53.17 | Spec | and condom isn't in my repository |
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| 05:53.28 | Nyle | condom heh |
| 05:53.31 | rahul | condoms are non-free outside of NYC |
| 05:53.34 | Nyle | apt-get install funny-manpages |
| 05:53.38 | Nyle | man condom |
| 05:53.40 | renewbie | hi, I got my kernel 2.6.8 screwed up after reboot due to power surge, how can I fix it? |
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| 05:54.15 | rahul | renewbie: what filesystem were you using? |
| 05:54.20 | Nyle | condom - protection against viruses and prevention of child processes |
| 05:54.21 | renewbie | ext3 |
| 05:54.30 | rahul | and what were you doing when the power went out? |
| 05:54.31 | rahul | haha |
| 05:54.37 | rahul | take that, ext3-weenies! |
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| 05:54.42 | Supaplex | renewbie: they're non-free in NYC to, they's just subsidized out of NYC tax payer money. Next they'll hire full time nurses to put them on citicens. |
| 05:54.50 | rahul | Supaplex: heh. |
| 05:55.01 | Spec | man celibacy |
| 05:55.02 | Supaplex | s/renewbit/rahul/ |
| 05:55.04 | rahul | they already have those |
| 05:55.04 | renewbie | rahul: fsck |
| 05:55.05 | Spec | -- does nothing worth mentioning |
| 05:55.10 | rahul | renewbie: uh, ouch |
| 05:55.34 | rahul | hmm, subsidized prositution... |
| 05:55.35 | renewbie | rahul: so I had to boot with this 2.4 kernel |
| 05:55.39 | Supaplex | the typo monsters get me when my load is high :-/ |
| 05:55.56 | rahul | renewbie: I'm wondering if that's messed up, who knows what else is messed up |
| 05:57.30 | renewbie | rahul: I am currently on the same system and everything else is working except this kernel |
| 05:57.30 | Supaplex | renewbie: you could try reinstalling it. care to elaborate on the symptoms? |
| 05:57.30 | Spec | uubp - unix-to-unix beer protocol |
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| 05:57.31 | rahul | apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-x.x.x-arch |
| 05:57.39 | rahul | etc, usw, hth, hand, qed. |
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| 05:59.43 | simonrvn | viz. |
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| 06:00.08 | rahul | heh. |
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| 06:00.47 | renewbie | rahul: I already started with install |
| 06:00.57 | rahul | renewbie: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-x.x.x-arch |
| 06:01.16 | rahul | you know what heh stands for in latin? |
| 06:01.47 | rahul | hominem est hilaris. |
| 06:02.08 | rahul | hmm, or maybe humanus est hilaris |
| 06:02.22 | renewbie | with apt-get install it worked.. but before rebooting I will check grub menu.lst |
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| 06:03.28 | renewbie | thank you rahul, Supaplex |
| 06:03.31 | Nyle | whatever happened with the dude who had the sources.list problems |
| 06:03.57 | Nyle | smacnay: any luck |
| 06:04.43 | Nyle | smacnay: you got the l33t stuff working? |
| 06:05.59 | Supaplex | !shoot unicode |
| 06:06.09 | smacnay | Nyle: heh, I am still reading. xfce looks neat. |
| 06:06.14 | smacnay | l33t? |
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| 06:07.56 | smacnay | too confusing. |
| 06:08.06 | keram | how can i get alsa-lib on my testing box? |
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| 06:08.26 | smacnay | Nyle: I am not sure what to run. If I recall, xfce is pretty nice. |
| 06:08.35 | keram | yeah xfce4 is good |
| 06:08.36 | smacnay | Nyle: too tired to think - I am off to bed. |
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| 06:09.34 | smacnay | does xfce4 allow keyboard shortcuts to all apps? |
| 06:09.43 | keram | i think so |
| 06:10.00 | tuvwx | what's rfc1345 input method? |
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| 06:10.42 | smacnay | what is l33t? |
| 06:11.19 | Supaplex | 1l33t |
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| 06:11.49 | Supaplex | !l33t |
| 06:11.49 | dpkg | Plz uze #debian-l33t 4 hlp in l33t !! U wud get m0re helpz their !!! lol L33t speakers, please use #debian-l33t for help in the l33t dialect. You will get much more help there. 100% lame |
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| 06:29.07 | jair | hello guys, I am trying to find a tool that will allow me to create and restore a full image "Ghost kind" of Linux systems, specially Debian... |
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| 06:30.05 | jair | I try to use the same ghost for windows and each time I try to restore the image I get an error about GRUB not starting properly |
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| 06:31.00 | teledyn_ | jair: an error with the linux partition? |
| 06:31.44 | karmax | How to configure PCtel HSP 56k modem? |
| 06:32.03 | teledyn_ | karmax: check linmodems.org |
| 06:32.15 | teledyn_ | !linmodem |
| 06:32.16 | dpkg | linmodems are modems that occasionally work in linux, because the manufacturer has released specs about them. if you think you have one, check http://www.linmodems.org, or usually fairly crappy, as they make the cpu do the real work. get an external modem. you can't go wrong |
| 06:32.21 | sussudio | how to bugger off back to #ubuntu? |
| 06:32.39 | teledyn_ | haha |
| 06:33.03 | karmax | thanx |
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| 06:34.44 | |ryan| | fscking debian-installer crashed on me... twice. |
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| 06:34.54 | sevenpacks | lol |
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| 06:35.02 | |ryan| | fsck it |
| 06:35.10 | sevenpacks | :)) |
| 06:35.19 | |ryan| | I'm going to use debootstrap and do a chroot install |
| 06:35.23 | sevenpacks | luke, use the hands |
| 06:35.34 | renewbie | I recompiled the newest stable kernel but my X won't start with that kernel, is it necessary to recompile X as well? |
| 06:35.43 | scx | fsck it? it sounds nasty |
| 06:35.52 | sevenpacks | hahaha |
| 06:36.00 | |ryan| | renewbie: no. You might have left out a needed driver in your kernel config |
| 06:36.39 | sevenpacks | I just need a cp now |
| 06:36.47 | sevenpacks | no any installer |
| 06:36.59 | sevenpacks | hahaha |
| 06:37.10 | sevenpacks | the cp is the best installer |
| 06:37.58 | renewbie | |ryan|: I picked up config of working kernel and added 3 more options that too in input devices |
| 06:37.58 | |ryan| | I built a custom debian installer a while ago that just used partimage to image hard drives to the standard config |
| 06:37.58 | renewbie | will that break my X? |
| 06:38.14 | |ryan| | renewbie: A working kernel? not the kernel you were using? |
| 06:38.27 | renewbie | |ryan|: I mean the kernel I was using |
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| 06:38.45 | sevenpacks | iirc, all is in the debian kernel |
| 06:38.47 | renewbie | same 2.6 |
| 06:38.50 | |ryan| | renewbie: where'd you get the kernel source to build from? |
| 06:38.57 | sevenpacks | you just need do some modprobe |
| 06:39.01 | renewbie | kernel.org |
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| 06:39.18 | |ryan| | and the working kernel was? |
| 06:39.27 | |ryan| | a debian kernel, or a custom kernel? |
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| 06:39.32 | sevenpacks | working? |
| 06:39.34 | renewbie | 2.6.8-2 debian build |
| 06:39.45 | sevenpacks | a debian kernel is enough |
| 06:40.00 | renewbie | sevenpacks: it won't detect my joystick |
| 06:40.01 | |ryan| | renewbie: debian kernels have patches applied to them |
| 06:40.12 | |ryan| | you should use the kernel-sorce package |
| 06:40.20 | sevenpacks | you only need some modprobe |
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| 06:40.44 | renewbie | sevenpacks: may be but can't figure out which modules.. |
| 06:40.56 | sevenpacks | renewbie, whta's your joystick? |
| 06:41.07 | renewbie | apt-get'ed kernels works.. |
| 06:41.07 | |ryan| | drat |
| 06:41.14 | sevenpacks | renewbie, he can use google |
| 06:41.26 | |ryan| | I keep trying to use the xawtv window as an xterm |
| 06:41.42 | sevenpacks | lol |
| 06:41.42 | renewbie | sevenpacks: I tried.. everything related to joystick.. there is a strange problem |
| 06:41.53 | sevenpacks | o.o |
| 06:42.16 | renewbie | my joystick is not recognised when I plug it in after boot |
| 06:42.29 | sevenpacks | you can order the driver to output debug messages |
| 06:42.45 | renewbie | detected if plugged in before boot but then it hangs system at one point in boot process |
| 06:43.03 | sevenpacks | an usb joystick? |
| 06:43.07 | renewbie | yes |
| 06:43.31 | sevenpacks | I think you didn't load all usb drivers you need |
| 06:44.16 | sevenpacks | it's easy to slove, if you are not the only one buyer in the world |
| 06:44.56 | sevenpacks | do a search, man |
| 06:45.44 | renewbie | I did, like I said there is some problem.. |
| 06:45.59 | renewbie | here, this is what my logs say |
| 06:46.01 | renewbie | Mar 4 23:44:30 swordfish kernel: usbhid 1-2:1.0: usb_probe_interface - got id |
| 06:46.01 | renewbie | Mar 4 23:44:40 swordfish kernel: drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed |
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| 06:46.15 | |ryan| | what's the fix for the expired etch archive key for apt? |
| 06:47.19 | sevenpacks | hehe, renewbie, i think you are a newbie in compiling kernel |
| 06:47.57 | g333k_laptop | hi, how do I know if the cpu frequency scaling is working? |
| 06:47.58 | renewbie | sevenpacks: true as far as kernel compile is concerned |
| 06:48.15 | sevenpacks | are you sure? ^_^ |
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| 06:49.11 | TravisBarker | why would a syntax error be reported on line 16 of http://pastebin.ca/382010 ? |
| 06:49.16 | renewbie | |ryan|: http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_Etch_Installation_Report |
| 06:49.26 | Guerin | !wayc renewbie |
| 06:49.26 | dpkg | renewbie: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 06:49.31 | TravisBarker | err, line 17 |
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| 06:49.56 | renewbie | dpkg: apt-getted kernel is producing error I posted above |
| 06:49.56 | dpkg | okay, renewbie |
| 06:50.34 | renewbie | Guerin: ? |
| 06:51.00 | Guerin | dpkg, forget apt-getted kernel |
| 06:51.00 | dpkg | i forgot apt-getted kernel, Guerin |
| 06:51.24 | Guerin | renewbie: try a newer kernel |
| 06:52.45 | renewbie | Guerin: from debian? |
| 06:52.46 | TravisBarker | did anyone look at my pastebin? |
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| 06:56.12 | Guerin | renewbie: yes. |
| 06:56.23 | Guerin | TravisBarker: i don't know syslog-ng syntax. |
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| 06:57.20 | TravisBarker | Guerin: thanks anyway |
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| 06:58.39 | renewbie | |ryan|: quote from a mailing list "you must be aware of the issue that caused the |
| 06:58.39 | renewbie | release candidate rc1 of the Etch installer to stop working (it only |
| 06:58.39 | renewbie | had a release key that expired, the new release key is only present, |
| 06:58.39 | renewbie | at the time of writing, on the daily releases). So please test the |
| 06:58.40 | renewbie | dvd's to ensure that they work before burning lots of copies." |
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| 07:00.15 | |ryan| | how does one manualy set up grub on etch? |
| 07:01.00 | keram | so i guess no one answered my qeustion? |
| 07:01.02 | RvGaTe | |ryan|, edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:01.12 | keram | can you get the alsa-lib package on testing? |
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| 07:01.25 | Guerin | keram: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:01.37 | Guerin | renewbie: why the fuck are you pasting? |
| 07:02.00 | renewbie | Guerin: sorry.. should have used pastebin |
| 07:02.01 | |ryan| | RvGaTe: that's not it... I have no stage1 file |
| 07:02.19 | RvGaTe | |ryan|, you mean you haven't installed grub ? |
| 07:02.24 | |ryan| | i DID |
| 07:02.37 | |ryan| | but the package didn't install /boot/grub/stage1 |
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| 07:03.05 | keram | Guerin, i'm finding nothing matching alsa-lib |
| 07:03.12 | RvGaTe | |ryan|, and if you reinstall grub ? |
| 07:03.20 | |ryan| | tried that |
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| 07:05.11 | |ryan| | fucking lilo doesn't work either |
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| 07:07.03 | Crypticfortune | keram: is libsound2 what you're looking for? (apt-cache show libsound2) |
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| 07:08.14 | Guerin | keram: search on alsa |
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| 07:08.49 | keram | well i want to use the alsa lib in my c programs |
| 07:08.59 | keram | my stuff isnt compiling because i dont think i have the right libs |
| 07:09.15 | keram | http://equalarea.com/paul/alsa-audio.html#captureex |
| 07:09.20 | keram | i was trying to compile that |
| 07:11.11 | Guerin | keram: you'll need a -dev package |
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| 07:11.59 | keram | Crypticfortune & Guerin, i think its libasound2 |
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| 07:13.46 | Guerin | keram: -dev |
| 07:13.59 | |ryan| | hah! |
| 07:14.01 | |ryan| | booting |
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| 07:14.48 | matrix | i have problem with my sound card have realtek alc850 i cant use the 5.1 only 2 channels |
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| 07:16.12 | graytron | matrix: alsamixer / kmix won't allow you to configure it? |
| 07:16.12 | valdyn | matrix: your mixer showing switches for this feature? |
| 07:17.18 | matrix | yeah |
| 07:17.40 | matrix | everything is on |
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| 07:18.13 | valdyn | matrix: not an on/off switch but a selector to pick between 5.1 / stereo and whatever |
| 07:19.09 | matrix | yeah i put that in 6ch |
| 07:19.19 | graytron | that's not 5.1 |
| 07:19.28 | graytron | or is it |
| 07:19.47 | matrix | i think is 6ch |
| 07:19.51 | valdyn | graytron: i think it is |
| 07:19.56 | graytron | ok then |
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| 07:20.29 | matrix | Duplicate Front = off |
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| 07:20.45 | graytron | matrix: have you tried another mixer? |
| 07:20.46 | matrix | External Amplifier = off |
| 07:20.51 | matrix | yeah |
| 07:21.22 | valdyn | matrix: which program are you using to playback which media? |
| 07:21.28 | matrix | amarok |
| 07:22.01 | graytron | matrix: what is your playback engine in amarok? |
| 07:22.07 | matrix | xine |
| 07:22.14 | Hiryu | what package has the opengl manpages? |
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| 07:22.29 | valdyn | Hiryu: apt-file search <filename> |
| 07:22.46 | Crypticfortune | wow. LVM is the coolest thing since sliced anything =p |
| 07:22.53 | matrix | valdyn: do you have 5.1? |
| 07:22.57 | Hiryu | valdyn: I've been trying that |
| 07:23.07 | valdyn | matrix: no i don't have the speakers for that |
| 07:23.15 | matrix | ok |
| 07:23.22 | matrix | graytron: do you have 5.1? |
| 07:23.31 | graytron | matrix: no speakers :-) |
| 07:23.34 | valdyn | matrix: xine may not have 5.1 enabled by default.. |
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| 07:23.52 | matrix | xine have to up 7.1 |
| 07:24.03 | Hiryu | are the opengl manpages with the x11 pages? |
| 07:24.15 | matrix | i used this command speaker-test -c6 |
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| 07:24.17 | streuner | prolly not |
| 07:24.40 | matrix | only two channels |
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| 07:24.58 | valdyn | matrix:what are you playing back? |
| 07:25.09 | streuner | Hiryu: /msg dpkg opengl |
| 07:25.13 | matrix | dts |
| 07:25.15 | valdyn | matrix: your xine could be using oss |
| 07:25.22 | matrix | alsa |
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| 07:25.44 | Hiryu | streuner: that shows where on the web I can find it, but I know it's packaged |
| 07:25.44 | valdyn | try: mplayer -ao alsa dvd://1 -channels 6, replace that dvd://1 with your media |
| 07:26.15 | streuner | Hiryu: so just use 'apt-cache search <foo>' |
| 07:26.20 | valdyn | matrix: can you read a german howto? |
| 07:26.25 | Hiryu | streuner: I have, and still can't find it |
| 07:26.33 | matrix | not |
| 07:27.58 | Hiryu | maybe they're not packaged |
| 07:28.01 | Hiryu | oh well |
| 07:29.13 | valdyn | matrix: so, did you setup xine to use alsa, not oss? |
| 07:29.15 | Harzilein | hmm |
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| 07:29.36 | Harzilein | any recommendations on how to set LC_CTYPE in a sane way on multiuser systems? |
| 07:29.48 | Harzilein | i don't feel right about setting it to en_US.UTF8 |
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| 07:30.10 | valdyn | Harzilein: 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to generate the locales and pick the global default |
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| 07:30.42 | matrix | valdyn: yeah |
| 07:30.46 | Harzilein | valdyn: well, my problem is just finding that default... |
| 07:31.13 | matrix | valdyn: dont work all the channels only 2 |
| 07:31.21 | matrix | with the mplayer |
| 07:31.53 | Harzilein | valdyn: i can only set LANG by that, i want just LC_CTYPE |
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| 07:33.16 | bhundven | export LC_CTYPE="en.US.UTF-8" or whatever you want... the default on etch is utf-8 |
| 07:33.38 | Harzilein | bhundven: you actually don't have a clue |
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| 07:34.25 | Harzilein | bhundven: the _DEFAULT_ is to have no LANG or LC_CTYPE set system wide. which means every other program enforces that strictly |
| 07:34.31 | Harzilein | like xfce4-terminal |
| 07:35.08 | bhundven | oh. IC. your right, because you knew the answer when you came asking for help. |
| 07:35.53 | sevenpacks | lol |
| 07:36.07 | Harzilein | bhundven: you did not contribute _anything_ to answering |
| 07:36.25 | sevenpacks | it's a common trick from an old old gang |
| 07:37.07 | Harzilein | bhundven: sorry, just "export it somewhere" is no solution. where would you want me to put it? skel-profiles? systemwide bash profile? /etc/environment? it's a problem about policy, not about technical details |
| 07:38.07 | Harzilein | hmm... |
| 07:38.21 | |ryan| | bah |
| 07:38.30 | |ryan| | hard drive is going bad |
| 07:38.37 | |ryan| | no wonder the installer crapped out |
| 07:39.09 | bhundven | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-l10n |
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| 07:42.06 | karsten | ' |
| 07:44.10 | solemnwarning | Why does the keymap seem messed up if I use evdev in x.org? |
| 07:44.48 | Harzilein | bhundven: nothing useful in there. the only concrete example focuses on per-user-setup, which frees the author from making those decisions i face now |
| 07:45.46 | solemnwarning | Does evdev mess with the keycodes that X gets? |
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| 07:53.42 | bhundven | Harzilein: hmm. by looking around my own system, I've found that setting it in /etc/environment, /etc/default/locale is the debian policy, and these are initially called from boot by /etc/init.d/keymap. this seems to be the debian way as far as I can tell. |
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| 07:55.29 | bhundven | maybe try asking on irc.oftc.org #debian as well. |
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| 07:57.11 | Harzilein | well, for now i'll just set LC_CTYPE to en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/environment. users will of course have to find out they'll have to set LANG _and_ LC_CTYPE |
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| 07:58.10 | bony | is there a player that has 10 equeliser? i checked xmms but is there any other player of such type in debian? |
| 07:58.38 | Romeo- | yes |
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| 07:59.23 | Harzilein | bony: you could also abuse jack as a sound server and have it provide the equalizer functionality... might be overkill but then it'd work for every app |
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| 08:00.06 | scx | Harzilein: you can add a template in ~/.bashrc |
| 08:00.11 | bony | Harzilein, i just started searching for it in gstreamer. well i don't know much of jack but i know that it a good audio server |
| 08:00.17 | scx | commented of course |
| 08:00.24 | Harzilein | scx: there might already be one |
| 08:00.51 | Harzilein | nopes |
| 08:01.11 | graytron | /etc/skel/.bashrc |
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| 08:01.51 | Harzilein | graytron: i know of the location of that, thx ;) |
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| 08:02.41 | graytron | Harzilein: i know you know the location, now that you told me. thanks |
| 08:02.46 | Harzilein | graytron: i meant there might already be a commented section in the default skel-bashrc |
| 08:02.56 | Harzilein | graytron: but there isn't |
| 08:03.08 | graytron | Harzilein: i know |
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| 08:23.37 | _Atomo64_ | how can I stop lprd sending all jobs to my printer? |
| 08:24.49 | streuner | /etc/init.d/lpd stop? |
| 08:25.06 | _Atomo64_ | streuner: but when I start it again it starts printing again |
| 08:25.18 | streuner | flush the queue then |
| 08:26.27 | _Atomo64_ | streuner: how can I do that? |
| 08:26.27 | streuner | in /var/spool |
| 08:26.48 | streuner | there should be some files which waiting to finished... |
| 08:26.56 | streuner | using CUPS? |
| 08:27.25 | _Atomo64_ | streuner: you mean /var/spool/lpd/lp ? |
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| 08:28.58 | streuner | there should be an lpd command to flush the queue too, if that doesn't work just remove files in the spool dir then |
| 08:29.50 | vorsprung | streuner, lpc restart and lprm |
| 08:30.19 | vorsprung | streuner, how does it know if it "doesn't work" |
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| 08:30.30 | vorsprung | streuner, that's up to you to decide |
| 08:30.54 | streuner | vorsprung: i try actually to help... |
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| 08:32.24 | streuner | well, i had the same case, every time i reboot the CPU was at 100 percent and runs lpd at the top, only removing those files in the queue itself helped |
| 08:33.04 | indridcold | hi guys |
| 08:33.05 | indridcold | how do I set my debian box host name to "engine" so other machines on the network can ping "engine" rather than the ip |
| 08:33.23 | streuner | man hosts |
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| 08:33.48 | _Atomo64_ | streuner,vorsprung: thanks lprm -a all worked :P |
| 08:34.14 | msingh | is there an easy way to stream mp3 tunes using something like xmms? |
| 08:34.25 | TraceGreen | hello, when i mount my usb memory disk, the content is sda1's! my harddisk is sata. how shall i fix it? |
| 08:34.50 | TraceGreen | my usb memory stick is sdb1 |
| 08:35.20 | streuner | TraceGreen: udev? |
| 08:36.13 | TraceGreen | streuner, I don't use udev |
| 08:36.17 | streuner | msingh: no, icecast |
| 08:36.36 | streuner | ok, /msg dpkg usb storage and read mount and man fstab |
| 08:36.52 | msingh | streuner, heh, i love that you said no. i was afraid icecast would (still) be the answer .. |
| 08:37.08 | avtobiff | msingh, why? you dont like icecast? |
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| 08:38.02 | msingh | avtobiff, not really. i couldnt get it working properly, and when i did, i had problems with it. Ended up using winamp with shoutcast |
| 08:38.31 | msingh | but this was about 2 years ago. maybe it has improved since... |
| 08:38.32 | streuner | *cough* there is a linux version of shoutcast *cough* |
| 08:38.54 | msingh | streuner, right, that is what i used, iirc |
| 08:39.51 | streuner | if you want streaming mp3 you prolly need an older version like 1.8.xxx, IIRC |
| 08:39.59 | streuner | (icecast) |
| 08:40.03 | croddy | msingh, on your local network or over the internet? |
| 08:40.17 | msingh | croddy, both really, but i am going to use it mostly for local |
| 08:40.19 | solemnwarning | Is it true that if a process gains an exclusive lock an en event device it will be the only process that gets events from the device? |
| 08:41.11 | croddy | msingh, for local streaming i am using mt-daapd. over the internet i tend to like libapache2-mod-musicindex. |
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| 08:41.43 | croddy | i don't think xmms supports daap, though, so you would have to use another player or a different server |
| 08:41.56 | lamer007 | hey guys please what to do when apt-get install spits on me E:The package libapache-mod-text2html is not ok blablabla |
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| 08:42.25 | streuner | lamer007: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:43.04 | lamer007 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 Shared libraries |
| 08:43.42 | streuner | lamer007: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 08:43.52 | WuPeak | hi there |
| 08:44.05 | WuPeak | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.13 | WuPeak | as far as i can see, the service is running |
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| 08:45.23 | streuner | dpkg, ftp must die |
| 08:45.23 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 08:45.52 | RvGaTe | Whenever i have a dns server in a network, how do i make sure it works? (the dns has no internet connection, located in a LAN situation) |
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| 08:47.08 | streuner | Its pretty useful that the DNS-Server is able to connect to internet :-)) |
| 08:47.34 | RvGaTe | streuner: i know, but this is a school situation... :P |
| 08:47.39 | wols_ | if I want to see what packages are in a task, is there a dpkg or apt option for this? |
| 08:48.00 | streuner | wols_: 'in a task'? |
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| 08:48.24 | wols_ | stuff you select via tasksel. how do you know (ebforehand) what packages will be installed |
| 08:48.52 | wols_ | RvGaTe: you try and let it resolve some domains |
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| 08:49.00 | ma3x | I just started iceweasel and it changed its GTK. why the hell? |
| 08:49.03 | wols_ | or rather hostnames I guess |
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| 08:49.09 | ma3x | I updated the gtk, but it didnt notify me of some change |
| 08:49.17 | ma3x | and i have .gtkrc which clearly is still the same |
| 08:49.21 | ma3x | so why did the look change? |
| 08:49.21 | streuner | wols_: using 'tasksel'? no idea. using apt-get - there is '-s' option (simulate) |
| 08:49.23 | RvGaTe | wols_: but there aren't any entries in the dns server, so it wont be able to resolv, does it? |
| 08:49.53 | WuPeak | streuner : thx for the link. i'll read this doc. |
| 08:50.15 | moconnor | What package do I reconfigure to change my network settings? I don't want to manualy change /etc/network/interfaces and yet I want a relatively friendly way to change the network settings that doesn't require X. The dialogs presented during the install are good enough for me, if I can get them to reappear. |
| 08:50.27 | avtobiff | haha. ftp must die :-) |
| 08:51.00 | streuner | moconnor: what's wrong with interfaces, just read /msg dpkg interfaces - there are examples as well... |
| 08:51.04 | wols_ | RvGaTe: if there is nothing in your zonefiles, I doubt it can resolve anything |
| 08:51.18 | streuner | avtobiff: read that and you don't laugh about anymore... |
| 08:51.25 | RvGaTe | wols_: so how can i make sure it works, whenever there is an entry.. ? |
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| 08:51.40 | wols_ | put in an entry and test it, then remove that entry |
| 08:51.50 | moconnor | streuner: I know all about interfaces, I want to provide a nicer interface to it. |
| 08:52.29 | RvGaTe | wols_: any guides on how to do so ? |
| 08:52.39 | wols_ | streuner: what I want is a list "task laptop installs the following packages" |
| 08:53.01 | wols_ | ask #bind how to write zonefiles. rather big topic :) |
| 08:53.28 | streuner | wols_: surely 'tasksel' needs some meta-package to get those infos itself, but don't ask me where those are stored |
| 08:53.31 | RvGaTe | wols_: will do, thx |
| 08:53.50 | cydork | wols_: tasksel ---task-packages laptop ? |
| 08:54.09 | avtobiff | streuner, i read it and i am still laughing |
| 08:54.14 | wols_ | it's not meta packages |
| 08:54.23 | wols_ | cydork: that could be it. will try |
| 08:54.43 | streuner | !info tasksel-data |
| 08:54.43 | wols_ | yep. thanks! |
| 08:54.50 | avtobiff | streuner, i know ftp is not good and that it is not safe. |
| 08:54.52 | dpkg | tasksel-data: (Official tasks used for installation of Debian systems), section admin, is important. Version: 2.66 (sid), Packaged size: 324 kB, Installed size: 2472 kB |
| 08:55.20 | avtobiff | very well. i have to go. |
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| 08:56.28 | vlt | Hello. Someone sent me a ".docx" file. It seems to be a ZIP archive containing several XML documents. Does anyone know a way I can open it? |
| 08:57.14 | streuner | vlt: try 'file <somefile>' |
| 08:58.59 | vorsprung | vlt, if it seems to be a zip archive then use "unzip" on it |
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| 08:59.56 | vlt | streuner, vorsprung: `file data.docx` returns "zip archive v2.0+", the extracted xml files are regocnized as "XML document text". |
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| 09:00.31 | vlt | The sender created it with Microsoft Office I think, but OpenOffice refuses to open it. |
| 09:00.49 | vorsprung | vlt, yeah docx is the format for the ms office xml thing |
| 09:01.28 | vorsprung | vlt, but that's all i know! don't ask me how to read it! |
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| 09:07.48 | solemnwarning | If a process gains an exclusive lock on an event device is it true that it will be the only program that gets events from that device? |
| 09:08.18 | WuPeak | streuner : thx for the doc. its a real good doc. but is it possible to have scp users in a mysql database? |
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| 09:12.17 | streuner | nope |
| 09:12.30 | xand | anything's possible with linux ;) |
| 09:12.35 | xand | if you put enough work in |
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| 09:14.22 | danf_1979 | Hi, any password generator in the repos? I've searched for "password" but no results. I need to generate passwords for mysql |
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| 09:15.42 | WuPeak | streuner: whats about sftp? |
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| 09:16.31 | graytron | danf_1979: pwgen |
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| 09:23.28 | WuPeak | does some one knows if it is possible to attache mysql to sftp like it is possible with proftpd? |
| 09:23.31 | PupUser2c276c | hey room |
| 09:23.43 | PupUser2c276c | <------------ is back |
| 09:23.50 | PupUser2c276c | <-------------- the man |
| 09:24.02 | PupUser2c276c | <------------ the myth |
| 09:24.05 | graytron | vlt: i suppose this has some relevance to your problem, at least a starting point, but i don't know how to convert microsoft office xml-files to odf on linux: http://sourceforge.net/projects/odf-converter |
| 09:24.11 | PupUser2c276c | <---------- okay just me lol |
| 09:24.52 | streuner | !info libpam-mysql |
| 09:24.57 | dpkg | libpam-mysql: (PAM module allowing authentication from a MySQL server), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.6.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
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| 09:25.26 | PupUser2c276c | wouldn't xml just open in open office? |
| 09:25.38 | scx | PupUser2c276c: the flooder |
| 09:26.19 | PupUser2c276c | if not open it in blue fish and save it as html, then open with open office |
| 09:26.24 | streuner | WuPeak: try pam_mysql and 'put' shell on scponly |
| 09:26.26 | scx | PupUser2c276c: use a common text editor for that like emacs or kate, there's also kxmleditor |
| 09:26.30 | PupUser2c276c | <----------is not a flooder |
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| 09:26.46 | streuner | WuPeak: just notice the word 'try' ... |
| 09:26.53 | dondelelcaro | PupUser2c276c: please stop that immedialy and chose a more sane nick. |
| 09:27.02 | WuPeak | streuner : thx i'll have a look at it |
| 09:27.08 | solemnwarning | If a process gains an exclusive lock on an event device is it true that it will be the only program that gets events from that device? |
| 09:27.23 | PupUser2c276c | it the nic i get with puppy linux |
| 09:27.24 | unlink | why is my system so slow to start new processes when it's under moderate load (load avg ~ 1.5) |
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| 09:27.40 | dondelelcaro | PupUser2c276c: so use /nick |
| 09:27.51 | streuner | PupUser2c276c: so just join #puppylinux or whatever |
| 09:28.09 | better | hmmmmmm |
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| 09:28.31 | streuner | better: aren't you the one of yesterday who's using puppylinux or such? |
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| 09:28.58 | puppy_does_debia | hows this |
| 09:29.18 | scx | what about: /nick keepaway |
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| 09:29.50 | puppy_does_debia | yes streuner |
| 09:29.56 | streuner | We told you yesterday about... |
| 09:30.07 | puppy_does_debia | aboooot what? |
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| 09:30.17 | streuner | so just install debian or we can't help |
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| 09:30.27 | scx | just ill me please |
| 09:30.35 | scx | !kill me |
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| 09:30.51 | graytron | does it hurt |
| 09:30.52 | puppy_does_debia | <--------- shoots scx |
| 09:31.31 | scx | learn to use /me |
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| 09:32.49 | TraceGreen | hello, my harddisk is sata, when i mount usb memory stick, the content in sdb1(usb memory stick) is sda1's , why? |
| 09:33.14 | unlink | i have 2 cpus, SMP and a preemptible kernel, yet it's still slow when one cpu is pegged |
| 09:33.30 | croddy | needs more cowbell |
| 09:34.05 | puppy_does_debia | because your not using puppy linux trancegreen |
| 09:34.27 | scx | TraceGreen: sda = Serial Disk A |
| 09:34.39 | scx | TraceGreen: usb is a serial disk too |
| 09:34.46 | puppy_does_debia | unlink you need to unload cups and get a mugs that better, well for coffee anyways |
| 09:35.01 | TraceGreen | scx, so, how can i fix this problem? |
| 09:35.08 | unlink | puppy_does_debia: ? |
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| 09:36.17 | puppy_does_debia | <------- unlink i'm just a clown without make-up and big red shoes, infact i look nothing like a clown. wtf was i going with this? |
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| 09:36.30 | Gnea | heh, he's back |
| 09:36.37 | Gnea | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 09:37.00 | scx | !kick puppy_does_debia |
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| 09:37.59 | Gnea | puppy_does_debia was in here yesterday doing the same thing |
| 09:38.46 | danf_1979 | Anyone knows why this doesn't work? |
| 09:38.47 | danf_1979 | www:/var/www/web1/web/pymenet/admin/profile# su eel_webuser |
| 09:38.47 | danf_1979 | www:/var/www/web1/web/pymenet/admin/profile# whoami |
| 09:38.47 | danf_1979 | root |
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| 09:39.20 | danf_1979 | it does work if I su to www-data for example, but not with that user |
| 09:39.31 | Gnea | does the user exist? |
| 09:40.03 | scx | danf_1979: try using autocomplete with TAB |
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| 09:40.39 | scx | su + TAB TAB |
| 09:41.41 | danf_1979 | yes it does: www:/var/www/web1/web/pymenet/admin/profile# su eel_webuser |
| 09:41.41 | danf_1979 | www:/var/www/web1/web/pymenet/admin/profile# whoami |
| 09:41.41 | danf_1979 | root |
| 09:41.52 | danf_1979 | oh, sorry, bad paste |
| 09:41.53 | scx | don't paste |
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| 09:42.12 | danf_1979 | eel_webuser:x:10001:10001......... |
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| 09:44.06 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: if you can't su to the user, than that usually means it doesn't exist, or otherwise has some problem. How did you create this user? |
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| 09:45.02 | scx | is there a Debian icon UTF ? |
| 09:45.12 | scx | err: charset |
| 09:45.19 | streuner | !tell debian_all about root |
| 09:45.19 | scx | just char, lol |
| 09:45.44 | streuner | debian_all: if you 'fake' the ban its even worser than before... |
| 09:45.52 | danf_1979 | dondelelcaro, I dont have an inmediat answer to that. I'll have to review ISPConfig code first... |
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| 10:03.10 | capiira | anyone here using unstable since years? |
| 10:03.34 | scx | well my computer is alwatys unstable |
| 10:03.45 | capiira | :) |
| 10:04.26 | capiira | i wonder how good/stable unstable is :) |
| 10:04.30 | Zaggynl | not since years, but weeks I think |
| 10:04.37 | raf256 | unstable is bad |
| 10:04.45 | raf256 | testing is quite usable |
| 10:05.00 | capiira | even comparing to other distros? |
| 10:05.54 | capiira | i mean what would be a ubuntu,fedora,suse release be if it was from debian ? megaexperimental ? |
| 10:07.04 | capiira | its comparable with what debian release? |
| 10:07.38 | rahul | unstable is comparable to ubuntu |
| 10:07.44 | rahul | testing is something sane people use |
| 10:07.57 | rahul | unstable is just whatever the maintainer happened to upload |
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| 10:08.52 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 10:09.29 | capiira | im asking because i installed kde 3.5.6 from exp to testing |
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| 10:10.05 | capiira | it works well but i have a strange feeling using it |
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| 10:11.05 | scx | capiira: you are feeling it is too Winnie |
| 10:11.20 | capiira | on the other side kde fixed so much in 3.5.6 |
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| 10:14.22 | capiira | now i don't know if i should stay with testing and don't care for kde fixes, change to unstable or if i should bastardize my system |
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| 10:15.46 | ManuP | auto-update (debian etch) started... now it is hanging (for 10 minuits) at xserver-xorg-video-all (7.1.0-13)... what is wrong? |
| 10:16.00 | capiira | maybe its wating for imput |
| 10:16.04 | capiira | check details |
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| 10:16.14 | capiira | n |
| 10:17.04 | ManuP | capiira, it is in details... well now he is computing again. i let him do this and wait another 10 minuits... i hope he manages it. |
| 10:17.18 | capiira | :) |
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| 10:17.41 | ManuP | the auto-update did overwrite my menu.lst from grub. how can i prevent him to do so.? |
| 10:18.19 | booiiing | hello everybody |
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| 10:18.35 | ManuP | i compiled some kernels by myself (the distro-way) and one (which i am currently using) by the distro-independent-way... he deleted this entry in grub.conf :( |
| 10:18.53 | comsa | hello |
| 10:19.29 | ManuP | capiira, puh.... he now finished. |
| 10:19.34 | capiira | :) |
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| 10:20.45 | ManuP | capiira, my /boot/grub/menu.lst was overwritten. i dont want him to do so! |
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| 10:20.55 | capiira | you could grab the grub updates manually and repack them with a working script for you |
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| 10:21.28 | booiiing | i noticed some "skipping" in multimedia recently and did some research on it. i found out that preemption is disabled in debian-kernels since 2.6.17. so i had a look at the debian-kernel-lists and found that a new -multimedia-branch is planned. |
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| 10:21.40 | ManuP | and how do i grab updates manually?? i mean, how to tell him not to do automatically? |
| 10:21.50 | booiiing | i would like to ask about the status of those multimedia-kernels. |
| 10:22.01 | capiira | i think the included scripts don't recognize your kernel because its made by yourself |
| 10:23.11 | capiira | all updates are on the debian ftp |
| 10:23.19 | ManuP | that is what i suppose too. well, im gonna look at google first. |
| 10:23.27 | ManuP | thx, cu |
| 10:23.30 | capiira | ciao |
| 10:24.18 | booiiing | hm |
| 10:24.58 | capiira | hmm |
| 10:24.59 | booiiing | wouldn't it be easier to just put his kernel outside of the "AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST"-markers in menu.lst? |
| 10:25.23 | capiira | maybe yeah :) |
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| 10:25.28 | capiira | but he is gone |
| 10:25.29 | capiira | heh |
| 10:25.39 | booiiing | as far as i understood the documentation there, the update-script only modifies the part between those markers |
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| 10:26.18 | capiira | good to know for the future :) |
| 10:26.20 | booiiing | yeah, i had problems with grub once, too, so i looked up how i fixed them and found this hint in the second he left :/ |
| 10:26.53 | booiiing | you don't happen to know anything about preemption in the debian-kernels, do you? |
| 10:27.02 | raf256 | !bitchslap knode developers |
| 10:27.07 | capiira | nah i never compiled one :) |
| 10:27.10 | raf256 | another bug unfixed for a half year! |
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| 10:27.24 | pmjdebruijn | Lo |
| 10:27.29 | raf256 | "Q" in Debian stands for "high Quality - error free" |
| 10:27.33 | petemc | raf256: did you submit a patch? |
| 10:27.40 | raf256 | petemc: bug report |
| 10:27.55 | pmjdebruijn | I just installed Etch, but when checking my libc, it seems it doesn't have NPTL support, it that correct? |
| 10:27.55 | petemc | raf256: no patch? why not? |
| 10:27.55 | capiira | then why we get updates ? ;) |
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| 10:27.59 | raf256 | petemc: I'm bussy |
| 10:28.12 | raf256 | petemc: I can pay 5 bucks instead |
| 10:28.41 | enouf | !fishsmite raf256 |
| 10:28.48 | petemc | raf256: you seem to have enough time to be in here regularly talking about how bad developers are |
| 10:29.05 | raf256 | petemc: I dont like working on a huge code which I dont know |
| 10:30.04 | jelly-home | It's probably easier to whine about it too! |
| 10:30.42 | raf256 | jelly-home: yes |
| 10:31.04 | pmjdebruijn | hmm wait, it's in a seperate library |
| 10:31.55 | lamer007 | anybody met error like The package libapache-mod-text2html is not OK and I dont know how to fix it ? |
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| 10:32.23 | lamer007 | Im new into debian, so have no idea what I should use, just know i have etch setup in my list |
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| 10:33.01 | unlink | what good is the /usr/share/dict/words link to /etc/dictionaries-common/words if no such file exists in any package? |
| 10:33.49 | petemc | unlink: its a symlink/ |
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| 10:34.13 | unlink | petemc: where should it point? |
| 10:34.16 | raf256 | lamer|sleep: use testing |
| 10:34.29 | lamer|sleep | which one is it ? |
| 10:34.56 | petemc | unlink: /usr/share/dict/american-english , on my box |
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| 10:35.15 | unlink | oh, wamerican |
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| 10:45.36 | ma3x | where can I get free ftp account? |
| 10:45.59 | Ronin | free ftp? for what? |
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| 10:47.48 | ma3x | dunno, to come handy from time to time. docs, pics, stuff ... |
| 10:48.41 | Ronin | dont be so cheap go rent a shell account or set up one yourself on your nix box |
| 10:49.06 | petemc | theres plenty of photo hosting sites, and also gmail |
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| 10:51.04 | outlaw84 | is there a way to get the system to "reparse" /etc/fstab? I have just paste lots of entries in it |
| 10:51.33 | petemc | mount -a |
| 10:52.01 | petemc | that doesnt umount/remount stuff tho |
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| 10:54.12 | outlaw84 | petemc: well it dit what I wanted... thanks |
| 10:55.06 | outlaw84 | is there some way to set up a permanent ssh portforwarding? |
| 10:55.16 | WinnieThePooh | hello, what should I apt-get for to install JDK 5 EE ? should I also install java-common? should I add some repository in sources.list?\ |
| 10:55.52 | outlaw84 | WinnieThePooh: I dont _think_ EE is free just yet |
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| 10:56.26 | WinnieThePooh | yes but i remember now i added some repository in the list file? was it non-free or something like that? |
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| 10:58.18 | phogg | WinnieThePooh: download what you want from sun and get java-package |
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| 11:00.26 | phogg | WinnieThePooh: it does appear that there is a sun-java5-jdk in non-free |
| 11:01.42 | daya | I can't install debian Official Snapshot i386 CD Binary-1 20061227-20:08 on my computer |
| 11:01.54 | daya | it doesn't boot |
| 11:02.07 | daya | please anybody to suggest |
| 11:02.14 | petemc | daya: tried another cd? |
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| 11:02.50 | daya | petemc, no It does boot on another computer I have tried with more than 3 cd |
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| 11:03.13 | petemc | daya: and does the problem computer boot other cds ok? |
| 11:03.39 | daya | petemc, yes of course it boots other linux such as ubuntu |
| 11:04.11 | daya | petemc, i have told that the bios doen't support this , it is so? |
| 11:04.12 | petemc | daya: tried a more up to date snapshot? |
| 11:04.21 | daya | petemc, my board is via |
| 11:04.22 | outlaw84 | WinnieThePooh: add 'deb http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ unstable non-free' to your /etc/apt/sources.list and do a 'apt-get update' they you can install 'apt-get install sun-java5-*' but there is not Java 2 EE only Java 2 SE |
| 11:04.37 | petemc | daya: doesnt support what? |
| 11:04.41 | dusty-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.43 | dusty-work | he vpn client. For this type of setup which would be the best way to accomplish this, as in software, etc? |
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| 11:05.09 | petemc | dusty-work: ssh would be a lot less hassle |
| 11:05.24 | daya | petemc, the boot of debian cd of my ver |
| 11:05.26 | dusty-work | petemc, hrm how can I use ssh to do it? |
| 11:05.30 | WinnieThePooh | outlaw84: thanks, i added non-free and now it found de jdk |
| 11:05.35 | petemc | dusty-work: scp, sftp, rsync |
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| 11:06.00 | petemc | daya: id doubt that |
| 11:06.08 | dusty-work | hrm |
| 11:06.10 | booiiing | dusty-work: shfs could be an option, too |
| 11:06.16 | booiiing | file-system via ssh |
| 11:06.23 | dusty-work | booiiing, never even heard of that.. how can that help? |
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| 11:06.54 | dusty-work | petemc, I Know vpns can be a pain but i was looking at that openvpn software - which says i only need to open 1 tcp and 1 udp port for it to work... |
| 11:06.59 | booiiing | depends on the kind of data you want to transmit and the frequency |
| 11:07.03 | dusty-work | well |
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| 11:07.36 | dusty-work | its a scanning bureau so generally images - .jpg's and frequently on a daily basis we will be transferring 5k of images thats 5,000 images... not 5k size of images. |
| 11:07.38 | booiiing | as far as i know ssh only need one port |
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| 11:07.57 | dusty-work | I would prefer to have done a VPN... |
| 11:08.00 | booiiing | but that might not be true for sftp - i don't happen to know |
| 11:08.33 | daya | petemc, how do i made offline repository in a network |
| 11:08.35 | booiiing | i would use scp/sftp for this job |
| 11:08.46 | booiiing | easy to setup, easy to use |
| 11:08.58 | dusty-work | I suppose I could script it so it auto-uploaded when files where dumped to a certain directory too |
| 11:09.12 | dusty-work | if I went with scp/sftp option |
| 11:09.13 | booiiing | yes, just have a look at "man scp" |
| 11:09.13 | psychoslave | Could someone tell me if the free art license is ok with the DFSG? |
| 11:09.17 | petemc | daya: a debian mirror? debmirror is one way.. |
| 11:09.19 | psychoslave | I red this http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/09/msg00131.html |
| 11:09.32 | booiiing | it takes the destination-dir as an argument, just like normal cp |
| 11:09.32 | dusty-work | booiiing, Thanks. |
| 11:09.35 | phogg | dusty-work: or you could use shfs, which is more convenient. |
| 11:09.37 | dusty-work | petemc, thanks for the other ideas :) |
| 11:09.45 | petemc | np |
| 11:09.48 | psychoslave | but I steal have no answer... |
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| 11:09.51 | dusty-work | phogg, hrm shfs, why would that be more convinient? |
| 11:09.54 | booiiing | if you use host-keys and/or user-keys, you will work around the passwords, too |
| 11:10.12 | booiiing | no, shfs is not what you would want in this case |
| 11:10.19 | phogg | dusty-work: mount user@remoteserver:/path /mnt/dump ; cp /mnt/dump/ |
| 11:10.25 | daya | petemc, I want to implement it in a network so that i don't have to access the internet |
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| 11:10.31 | phogg | dusty-work: sorry, cp whateever /mnt/dump |
| 11:10.37 | booiiing | it is more like nfs |
| 11:10.42 | jelly-home | do you mean sshfs? |
| 11:10.47 | phogg | dusty-work: no script to write, no cron job to run |
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| 11:10.55 | Konky | Hi, i know it's not the correct channel but it's the only one i know with some knowledge in. How can i make the console accept german (iso-8859-1) characters as input? It can display them, and any editor(nano) can write them. but i can not type them in the console (no known distribution) |
| 11:11.00 | booiiing | you need to mount, copy and then unmount |
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| 11:11.05 | phogg | jelly-home: sshfs is another implementation of the same idea |
| 11:11.07 | booiiing | phno script needed for scp, either |
| 11:11.13 | dusty-work | phogg, ofcourse i would need to script it or use a cron if I choose your way of doing it, how would i automate the uploads? |
| 11:11.26 | booiiing | *phogg, sorry |
| 11:11.41 | booiiing | scp <source> user@host:/target/directory/ |
| 11:11.50 | phogg | dusty-work: mount the remote filesstem over shfs as part of the local filesystem. Don't upload, just save as normal or copy. |
| 11:12.07 | petemc | daya: running your own mirror isnt going to save bandwidth, apt-proxy or something may be better for your needs |
| 11:12.17 | dusty-work | phogg, yeah i know, but i would need a way to automate copying them over - so it would still require cron/script. |
| 11:12.35 | phogg | dusty-work: anyway,there's also rsync as an option, which is powerful |
| 11:12.42 | booiiing | does the same as "mount user@host:/target/directory/ /mnt/blubb/ ; cp <source> /mnt/blubb/ ; umount /mnt/blubb/" |
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| 11:12.57 | phogg | dusty-work: If you didn't want to save directly, yes. But a simpler one. |
| 11:13.21 | dusty-work | what rsync is a simpler one? |
| 11:13.27 | booiiing | rsync is a good option, too. but if the files are all-new, it won't be any improvement over scp |
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| 11:13.48 | dusty-work | they will be new images... |
| 11:13.52 | dusty-work | upload them |
| 11:13.57 | phogg | dusty-work: I don't know about simpler. Unlike shfs it does not require a kernel module. It would require learning how to use it. |
| 11:13.58 | booiiing | imho it is only good if you transfer changing files on a regular basis |
| 11:14.20 | booiiing | phogg: what was your argument about a simple scp again? |
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| 11:14.22 | dusty-work | booiiing, so you reckon sftp or scp then? |
| 11:14.35 | phogg | boitono: I don't believe I had one |
| 11:14.47 | phogg | er, sorry boitono that was to booiiing |
| 11:15.34 | booiiing | dusty-work: just use the scp-commandline-utility. it can speak sftp and scp and has a simple syntax |
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| 11:15.47 | booiiing | see its manpage for details ;) |
| 11:16.19 | dusty-work | yeah I think im going to use scp |
| 11:16.23 | dusty-work | thanks guys!! |
| 11:16.25 | booiiing | phogg: ok, i thought i missed it, because sometimes i am just blind ;) |
| 11:16.30 | phogg | you could even use netcat, if you want to be cooler than the next kid on the block |
| 11:16.45 | dusty-work | lol |
| 11:16.45 | dusty-work | indeed |
| 11:17.31 | booiiing | and as i am not a guru, i always expect people to dectect flaws in my logic |
| 11:17.46 | phogg | wow. Wine is getting better. |
| 11:18.00 | phogg | I just found an installer wine works flawlessly with and cedega chokes on |
| 11:18.01 | jelly-home | phogg: um, netcat != secure |
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| 11:18.14 | booiiing | hehe .. every wine gets better with age :> |
| 11:18.27 | graytron | from the Debian GNU/Linux user's perspective, doesn't this seem like a good idea worth promoting? http://www.dellideastorm.com/article/show/64447/Set_up_an_independent_business_unit_for_GNULinux_systems |
| 11:18.34 | phogg | jelly-home: true |
| 11:18.41 | graytron | s/the/a/ |
| 11:18.53 | booiiing | jelly-home: depends - after all you can send anything through it. so you can even gpg --encrypt it before |
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| 11:19.09 | dusty-work | jelly-home, Is it insecure because its not encrypted? |
| 11:19.10 | jelly-home | booiiing: show me who does that. :-) |
| 11:19.27 | dusty-work | jelly-home, As if that is the case you could always use netcat with some other program to provide the encryption. |
| 11:19.30 | jelly-home | dusty-work: yes. |
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| 11:19.49 | phogg | that would be fun but very inconvenient |
| 11:20.02 | booiiing | indeed :) |
| 11:20.13 | dusty-work | I wasn't meaning to use that in my situation.. |
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| 11:20.57 | jelly-home | dusty-work: if you're going to copy the same files over and over, just updated versions, you can use rsync |
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| 11:21.10 | dusty-work | Ok so I agree that a VPN is way overkill for what I needed. However what sort of situations would you choose a VPN over scp/rsync/sshfs? |
| 11:21.11 | phogg | graytron: the problem with it is the part where it says "dell makes money." That they would is not clear, so it would probably never be done." |
| 11:21.25 | dusty-work | jelly-home, that is not what im doing, they are DIFFERENT files. |
| 11:21.35 | dusty-work | rsync is good for websites and the like. |
| 11:22.03 | phogg | dusty-work: vpn is for combining two networks. Many computers <-> many computers |
| 11:22.04 | Rydekull | So, anyone got a suggestion on a nice pdf-editor? |
| 11:22.20 | booiiing | dusty-work: i would prefer a vpn, if i want to share lots of ports between the machines |
| 11:22.22 | graytron | phogg: they would make money like HP, from support |
| 11:22.29 | jelly-home | dusty-work: eh, I use rsync for common copying too, since scp has problems with shell expansion (filenames with spaces, globbing characters) |
| 11:22.37 | dusty-work | phogg, I know what it does.. its like have a lan over the internet... but what sort of situations would require this where ssh,scp,sftp,rsync etc would not be sufficient? |
| 11:23.09 | phogg | dusty-work: or, if you need computer(s) to access purely internal services on an otherwise private network |
| 11:23.14 | dusty-work | jelly-home, hrm, wasn't aware of any restrictions on scp. so rsync doesn't just update the same files it can just simply copy? |
| 11:23.22 | booiiing | jelly-home: not really - if you have a local source, you have no problems at all. if you have a remote source, you have to escape them AND put them in " |
| 11:23.22 | dusty-work | phogg, ok thanks. |
| 11:23.27 | jelly-home | dusty-work: if you need direct access to more than just one remote service, a vpn might be more convenient |
| 11:23.27 | graytron | phogg: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3661481 |
| 11:23.56 | dusty-work | booiiing, yeah I use " " frequently when transferring via scp. I have never had an issue with odd filesnames etc. |
| 11:24.09 | dusty-work | jelly-home, Yeah I see the logic now. thanks guys. |
| 11:24.12 | jelly-home | booiiing: and there's absolutely no reason to tolerate (or have to remember) that behaviour |
| 11:24.41 | booiiing | i agree with this point |
| 11:24.58 | phogg | graytron: I had not seen that. Very good! |
| 11:24.58 | jelly-home | booiiing: it also can't handle symlinks, hardlinks, etc. ssh | tar is better ;-) |
| 11:25.25 | phogg | graytron: assuming Dell can tap the same market then there's no down side I can see to their attempting to do so. |
| 11:25.55 | phogg | jelly-home: I didn't know that preserved hard links |
| 11:26.09 | jelly-home | phogg: tar does if you tell it to |
| 11:26.13 | booiiing | hardlinks should appear to any application as a normal copy of the file, shouldn't they? |
| 11:26.14 | zophy | is testing under any sort of feature freeze ? |
| 11:26.33 | Rydekull | Noone got a suggestion on a PDF-editor? |
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| 11:26.37 | zophy | etch |
| 11:26.43 | graytron | phogg: you made a good point though. i will add a comment with a reference to HP profiting from Debian ;) |
| 11:26.56 | booiiing | i mean: i could make a hardlink anywhere and then unlink the old thing and still have the file, no? |
| 11:27.13 | booiiing | zophy: it's called "pre-etch-freeze" ;) |
| 11:27.15 | zophy | i can't live without debian |
| 11:27.26 | phogg | booiiing: you are correct. |
| 11:27.32 | zophy | i am so lame |
| 11:27.53 | booiiing | Rydekull: latex? |
| 11:28.11 | EdLin | booiiing: you can' make a hard link "anyware", it has to be on the same file system |
| 11:28.20 | EdLin | anywhere* |
| 11:28.31 | phogg | latex != pdf, not even with a converter |
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| 11:28.39 | booiiing | or openoffice.org, if you want wysiwymg |
| 11:28.46 | ebbs | hi. Im trying to connect my Debian/Etch with a Windows Server over VPN. It isnt a problem to connect from win to win... Is it possible to connect linux with windows over vpn without installing openvpn on the win server??? |
| 11:28.50 | zophy | can't a filesystem be on multiple physical devices ? |
| 11:29.07 | phogg | zophy: via md or lvm, yes |
| 11:29.08 | EdLin | zophy: perhaps, but that's not the typical situation |
| 11:29.20 | EdLin | zophy: well, except servers and the like |
| 11:29.43 | zophy | does lvm support hardlinks ? |
| 11:29.53 | EdLin | hard links have another drawback, they can't (safely) be directories |
| 11:30.03 | jelly-home | zophy: hardlinks are property of a filesystem |
| 11:30.20 | jelly-home | zophy: the underlying block device can be anything you want |
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| 11:30.38 | booiiing | yes, i supposed this was basic knowlegde ;) |
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| 11:30.57 | phogg | Rydekull: if you want a text editor that creates pdfs, openoffice seems like the best choice. What exactly do you want to create? |
| 11:31.04 | booiiing | zophy: it can be - using lvm or raid or zfs |
| 11:31.14 | Rydekull | phogg: I want to edit my PDFs since i've lost my documents :) |
| 11:31.26 | ebbs | any idea? |
| 11:31.31 | EdLin | !any idea? |
| 11:31.32 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little sauerkraut, and 42 starving kittens. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 11:31.32 | phogg | Rydekull: I don't know of any free program to do that. |
| 11:31.43 | jelly-home | ebbs: which vpn protocol? |
| 11:31.52 | Rydekull | phogg: Neither do I, which is why I asked :) |
| 11:32.02 | phogg | ebbs: yes, it is possible |
| 11:32.05 | ebbs | jelly-home, im using udp |
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| 11:32.25 | jelly-home | ebbs: that's not a vpn protocol, sorry ;-) |
| 11:32.34 | ebbs | I created my own cert, but the handshake doesnt work |
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| 11:33.31 | ebbs | im using openvpn over udp and with tls autentication |
| 11:34.08 | ebbs | jelly-home, could you give me an example of a vpn protocol...? |
| 11:34.35 | booiiing | Rydekull: you could try to open the pdf with gimp and xpdf to extract images and text and then redo the documents in openoffice or latex |
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| 11:35.48 | jelly-home | ebbs: openvpn, pptp, CiscoVPN (which is mostly IPSec afaiui) |
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| 11:36.05 | ebbs | jelly-home, openvpn |
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| 11:36.40 | jelly-home | ebbs: well, you'll need to install openvpn on both ends if you want to use it, yes |
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| 11:37.02 | ebbs | jelly-home, k thx |
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| 11:39.10 | vignesh | Nyle: Hey.. the sound is still not working .. ;-( |
| 11:39.44 | vignesh | I use Debian etch testing.. |
| 11:39.52 | vignesh | the kde version |
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| 11:42.57 | busfahrer | When doing apt-get install, is there a way to see the packages that don't get installed since they are already installed as well (and dependencies)? |
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| 11:44.52 | zophy | Dark_Apostrophe, your nick used to be my root password |
| 11:44.56 | binfalse | yo |
| 11:44.58 | coredata | Hello |
| 11:45.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | zophy: lol |
| 11:45.31 | vignesh | can anyone help me with the sound problem |
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| 11:48.09 | vignesh | When i run amixer I get this error amixer: Mixer default load error: Invalid argument |
| 11:48.15 | coredata | don't know |
| 11:48.24 | binfalse | I'll find out |
| 11:48.33 | vignesh | anyone knows ? |
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| 11:51.29 | jelly-home | busfahrer: dpkg -l | grep '^.i' to see which packages are installed |
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| 11:52.09 | jelly-home | busfahrer: or apt-cache show package to see its dependencies before it's installed |
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| 11:52.50 | jelly-home | darkapostrophe, Dark_Apostrophe: are you the same person? |
| 11:53.12 | jelly-home | yes you are |
| 11:53.36 | darkapostrophe | Yes |
| 11:53.48 | darkapostrophe | My connection is shitty today :( |
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| 11:54.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'll just turn off my modem and router, and hope that it works later today. Bye, people. |
| 11:55.20 | vignesh | can anyone help me configure my sound card ? |
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| 11:56.29 | vignesh | anyone ? |
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| 11:57.00 | queuetue | Is there any way to set up grub to boot a specific kernel once, and then revert to another one after a reboot? (I'm testing a remote kernel install...) |
| 11:57.35 | liable | queuetue: etchs grub can, sarges, not |
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| 11:57.58 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
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| 11:58.10 | zeenix | hi guys |
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| 11:58.24 | queuetue | liable: I'm using etch - do you happen to know the menu.lst option? |
| 11:58.52 | liable | queuetue: google grub-set-default, or man it |
| 11:59.08 | liable | queuetue: never actually done it myself, but thats the thing for it |
| 11:59.23 | liable | looked into it, gave up when i realised it wasnt in sarges grub |
| 12:00.02 | zeenix | seems xv doesn't work on my debian testing box anymore, is anyone else experiencing the same problem? |
| 12:00.12 | jelly-home | zeenix: xv is not in Debian any more |
| 12:00.45 | jelly-home | zeenix: um, the program or the XVideo extension? |
| 12:00.48 | jelly-home | :-) |
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| 12:02.07 | zeenix | jelly-home: the extension |
| 12:02.20 | jelly-home | zeenix: xv as in "XVideo" is still there, sorry for the confusion. but xv the image viewer is not |
| 12:02.23 | zeenix | never knew there is a program by that name |
| 12:03.26 | zeenix | xvinfo tells me that Xv extension is there and supports several formats |
| 12:03.36 | solemnwarning | What should I do to get Xorg using my keyboard under evdev? |
| 12:03.47 | zeenix | but neither gstreamer nor mplayer is able to us it, i get a black window |
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| 12:03.50 | solemnwarning | When I tried the evdev driver my keymap was messed up |
| 12:04.10 | jelly-home | zeenix: restarting X doesn't help? Which card/driver? |
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| 12:05.09 | zeenix | jelly-home: no! it doesn't help |
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| 12:05.25 | zeenix | Adaptor #0: "ATI Radeon Video Overlay" |
| 12:05.51 | jelly-home | zeenix: if you have fglrx, I blame ATI. ;-) |
| 12:06.36 | zeenix | jelly-home: whats that? a package name? |
| 12:07.21 | jelly-home | zeenix: that's the name of ATI's proprietary driver |
| 12:07.23 | zeenix | oh! i don't have it, seems i should try that one instead :) |
| 12:07.46 | jelly-home | if you use the free driver, blame #xorg :-) |
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| 12:12.26 | vignesh | Hi! I get this error.. amixer: Mixer default load error: Invalid argument /usr/sbin/alsactl: get_control:209: Cannot read control info '2,0,0,Capture Volume,0': Invalid argument |
| 12:13.24 | vignesh | anyone ? |
| 12:13.31 | vignesh | I use debian etch |
| 12:13.44 | vignesh | Help me get my soundcard working |
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| 12:19.28 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to get xorg to use my keyboard via evdev, but it messes up the keymap |
| 12:19.31 | solemnwarning | Is it a bug? |
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| 12:20.08 | solemnwarning | Up becomes printscrn, backspace disappears, @ and " get mixed up |
| 12:21.12 | solemnwarning | Also, I can't use the "Dev name" or "dev phys" options, I _HAVE_ to use "Device" |
| 12:21.25 | solemnwarning | If I use them X freezes at startup and I have to reboot my machine |
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| 12:23.14 | solemnwarning | Anyone? :| |
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| 12:23.41 | outlaw84 | is there some way to set up a permanent ssh portforwarding? |
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| 12:26.10 | keta | outlaw84: ssh -Llocal_port:remote_ip:remote_port forwarding_host cat - |
| 12:27.00 | FernandoMM | Hello, I need to get some docs about the Debian boot process, especially about the kernel initialization and what loads the daemons. Could someone tell me where can i find docs about this? |
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| 12:31.08 | liable | FernandoMM: start with man init |
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| 12:31.24 | liable | FernandoMM: then initscripts docs i guess |
| 12:31.56 | FernandoMM | liable: thank you |
| 12:32.01 | liable | yw |
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| 12:35.57 | solemnwarning | Is there _ANY_ documentation for evdev at all? -_- |
| 12:36.52 | rhalff | what is the name of the sdk 1.5 for sun ? can't find it anywhere, is it Java EE 5 SDK ? |
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| 12:40.03 | rhalff | ah so sdk is jdk and 1.5 is 5.0, hm ok |
| 12:40.17 | xenoborg | i'm not sure, if i'm right here; i have an ati radeon 9200 and the screen will stay black all the time if i try to use fglrx |
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| 12:47.13 | elshaa | hi |
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| 12:48.29 | dogmeat | how do i page up on tty1 |
| 12:48.30 | dogmeat | ? |
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| 12:48.52 | Pobega | dogmeat: You have to append |less to the end of your commands. |
| 12:49.01 | Pobega | dogmeat: As far as I know there is no page up |
| 12:49.10 | dogmeat | on console, there's a page up |
| 12:49.21 | Pobega | Not in TTY1 I don't think. |
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| 12:49.45 | dogmeat | the boot messages are on screen, i knew there was a way to |
| 12:50.13 | dogmeat | from the screen buffer |
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| 12:50.20 | Pobega | Other than using |less or using screen (Terminal multiplexor) I don't know of a way to page up. |
| 12:52.34 | Rydekull | !tell vint-cerft about away |
| 12:52.48 | liable | dogmeat: shift+pageup |
| 12:52.58 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 12:53.04 | liable | dogmeat: though the buffer may be small |
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| 12:53.20 | dogmeat | liable: works ... thanks |
| 12:53.20 | Pobega | liable: Hm, I didn't know you could do that. Learn something new everyday I guess. |
| 12:53.38 | liable | dogmeat: if you need to see some during boot, ctrl+s will stop init, ctrl+q will start and you can page |
| 12:53.45 | liable | Pobega: :) |
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| 13:05.46 | dpkg | qotd10 is, like, <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
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| 13:09.39 | indridcold | Anyone able to help me out with BIND ? |
| 13:09.41 | indridcold | http://pastebin.parentnode.org/4158 |
| 13:09.42 | indridcold | I get "SERVFAIL" when I try nslookup |
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| 13:10.38 | solemnwarning | Is the evdev driver im xorg broken? |
| 13:11.14 | solemnwarning | When I try to get my keyboard working under evdev the X server freezes and after rebooting this is in the log: |
| 13:11.24 | solemnwarning | (EE) Generic Keyboard: No device specified. |
| 13:11.24 | solemnwarning | (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Keyboard" |
| 13:11.54 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 13:12.03 | solemnwarning | I've been asking about evdev for hours now :| |
| 13:13.00 | petemc | indridcold: check the logs |
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| 13:17.15 | indridcold | petemc: Cannot see any reference to named or bind in /var/log/ |
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| 13:17.52 | Crypticfortune | ok ,i posted this question to ##windows with no success, but i figure i'll ask you guys in case one of you is using winxp under xen+debian: i had winxp running under xen, then i decided to move the disk image i had created onto a real partition to try to increae performance a bit. but now it doesnt boot anymore. if i boot through the setup disc, i can goto to the recovery console and dir stuff normally, the disc seems to be working fine (even |
| 13:18.00 | petemc | indridcold: syslog |
| 13:19.00 | compDo | I've installed the package vpnc package on my Sarge system. When running vpnc I get the message: "WARNING: failed to load the tun module". How do I install the kernel module on my Debian system? |
| 13:22.18 | indridcold | ok pete |
| 13:22.59 | indridcold | nothing tailed, I'll read through the whole thing |
| 13:23.22 | petemc | indridcold: tail -f /var/log/syslog ; reload bind |
| 13:25.08 | wam | Can I somehow subscribe to all events for a specific interface? I'd like to see what is called. Reason: I import objects via invokeFactory. When editing them the first time, no ObjectModifiedEvent is called. Only the second time (and third and so on) it's called. |
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| 13:26.26 | FromTO | does anyone know where the docs or man pages for libtrash are |
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| 13:30.42 | Crypticfortune | note to anyone playing around with xen: running ntfs on top of XFS is really slow. to be avoided. |
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| 13:32.44 | ace | OMG I have a stupid question!!! I netinstall an etch and I see that there's *no* sshd |
| 13:33.07 | ace | and i don't find where the hell the sshd is |
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| 13:33.21 | jetscreamer | you have to install it explicitly, iirc |
| 13:33.23 | Crypticfortune | ace: try openssh-server |
| 13:33.29 | jetscreamer | apt-get install openssh i think... |
| 13:33.30 | Rydekull | ace: apt-get install ssh |
| 13:33.31 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 13:33.51 | ace | "package ssh is not availabl" |
| 13:33.58 | Crypticfortune | (isnt that installed automatically?) |
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| 13:33.59 | ace | and there s no openssh-server |
| 13:34.23 | Rydekull | ace: I suggest updating your sources |
| 13:34.29 | Ronin | apt-get install openssh-server iirc and update your sources |
| 13:34.42 | Rydekull | !tell ace about sources |
| 13:34.50 | Rydekull | just 'ssh' will work |
| 13:35.02 | Rydekull | it gets the client and server |
| 13:35.06 | Rydekull | and both is somewhat needed |
| 13:35.14 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search ssh |
| 13:35.16 | ace | damn my sources.list was dumb |
| 13:35.18 | jetscreamer | or openssh |
| 13:35.21 | ace | it s ok :) |
| 13:35.21 | Rydekull | ace: I know |
| 13:35.22 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:35.26 | jetscreamer | that will do it |
| 13:35.29 | ace | it s my fault thanks |
| 13:35.30 | ace | ::/ |
| 13:35.40 | DaveyB | Do you know in gnome you have four desktops or how ever many you want? Can you setup each desktop on a different monitor? |
| 13:35.41 | Rydekull | jetscreamer: openssh isnt a package though |
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| 13:35.51 | Rydekull | jetscreamer: ssh will get both openssh-client and openssh-server |
| 13:35.56 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 13:36.40 | Vutral | hello |
| 13:36.43 | jetscreamer | DaveyB: you could, but it's not as simple as it looks like it might be, iirc, but that is beyond me |
| 13:36.45 | Vutral | can i run debian under xen ? |
| 13:36.53 | Rydekull | yes |
| 13:36.56 | Vutral | mhm |
| 13:37.16 | Vutral | *getting box* |
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| 13:37.34 | DaveyB | jetscreamer, do you know any tutorials, what's iirc? |
| 13:37.54 | Rydekull | !tell DaveyB about iirc |
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| 13:38.57 | jetscreamer | DaveyB: sorry i know nothing :/ |
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| 13:39.01 | Crypticfortune | if running beryl crashes gdm, how should i be fixing it? (note: running etch on an nvidia card) |
| 13:39.44 | Crypticfortune | Vutral: very yes |
| 13:39.47 | jetscreamer | try glxinfo see what is supplying glx and glcore or whatever those 2 are |
| 13:40.11 | jetscreamer | opengl and glx |
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| 13:40.49 | Crypticfortune | jetscreamer: also, very yes. |
| 13:40.57 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 13:41.25 | jetscreamer | the strings should say nvidia |
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| 13:41.47 | DaveyB | jetscreamer, Thank you for your honesty, help. |
| 13:42.27 | Crypticfortune | jetscreamer: oh sorry, i misunderstood. they say "SGI" for glx vendor string, and "Mesa" for opengl renderer |
| 13:42.49 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=multiple+desktop+monitor&restrict=linux |
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| 13:42.56 | jetscreamer | Crypticfortune: fix the nvidia driver |
| 13:43.14 | jetscreamer | are you using the debian glx stuff or the nvidia.run |
| 13:43.55 | jetscreamer | debian sources for nvidia driver i mean |
| 13:43.59 | Crypticfortune | jetscreamer: basically as in etch install, so i'd assume debian glx stuff....how do i fix the nvidia driver? |
| 13:44.02 | jetscreamer | or the nvidia.com one |
| 13:44.05 | subopt | How do i know if Synaptic is stalled, and is there a graceful way to nudge it (aside from xkill)? |
| 13:44.13 | jetscreamer | Crypticfortune: i don't know how to fix the debian one |
| 13:44.21 | Crypticfortune | jetscreamer: doh =( |
| 13:44.51 | jetscreamer | the nvidia.com one is easy to do, but kinda frowned upon by #debian (non-free) |
| 13:44.51 | wols_ | Crypticfortune: check where your GLX is from |
| 13:44.56 | jetscreamer | he did |
| 13:45.01 | jetscreamer | sgi and mesa |
| 13:45.05 | anabain | can I print from a printer in a winbug$ system to a linux system which has samba installed? |
| 13:45.05 | wols_ | deinstall mesa, install the glx for nividia, etc |
| 13:45.06 | Crypticfortune | jetscreamer: the xscreensaver stuff is certainly looking awfully pretty and going lots of fast for mesa....weird... |
| 13:45.11 | wols_ | jetscreamer: I meant the file on disk |
| 13:45.11 | Rydekull | !nvidia |
| 13:45.11 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 13:45.32 | jetscreamer | o |
| 13:45.43 | jetscreamer | Crypticfortune: listen to wols |
| 13:46.08 | jetscreamer | anabain: yes, if you set it up right... (also all i know) |
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| 13:46.19 | Crypticfortune | wols_: thanks, will read and give that a try ^^ |
| 13:46.35 | Crypticfortune | er rather Rydekull |
| 13:46.46 | Crypticfortune | er both ^^ |
| 13:46.59 | wols_ | Crypticfortune: check if nvidia-glx is installed |
| 13:47.15 | wols_ | cause it seems you have mesag glx instal |
| 13:47.29 | jetscreamer | if you get desperate, after a while, i can give you a line you can paste and install the nvidia.com one... :o |
| 13:47.29 | wols_ | mesa glx intalled when it should be nvidia's |
| 13:47.47 | wols_ | jetscreamer: don't do that :) nvidia.com is bad for you. dpkg says so :) |
| 13:48.17 | wols_ | I admit I always install the nvidia.com one too, but (usually) I know how, and abrotman says I'm crazy |
| 13:48.37 | Crypticfortune | wols_,jetscreamer: according to dpkg -l the only nvidia related thing i have installed is xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 13:49.10 | jetscreamer | Crypticfortune: iirc nvidia-glx isn't in etch... at least it wasn't |
| 13:49.16 | jetscreamer | it may be now |
| 13:49.23 | jetscreamer | also, it's like contrib non-free |
| 13:49.42 | wols_ | that means you haven't any nvidia driver installed. nv is not 3D capable |
| 13:49.43 | jetscreamer | !find nvidia-glx etch |
| 13:49.50 | jetscreamer | !find nvidia-glx |
| 13:49.51 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'nvidia-glx' (4): nvidia-glx ;; nvidia-glx-dev ;; nvidia-glx-legacy ;; nvidia-glx-legacy-dev. |
| 13:50.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nvidia-glx' (3): (/etc/init.d/nvidia-glx, /etc/default/nvidia-glx) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx ;; (/etc/init.d/nvidia-glx-legacy, /etc/default/nvidia-glx-legacy) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy ;; (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/nvidia-glx) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx,non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy. |
| 13:50.14 | jetscreamer | guess it's in |
| 13:50.15 | wols_ | so you need to install the nvidia driver one way or other before you can run beryl |
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| 13:50.46 | wols_ | !tell Crypticfortune about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:51.05 | Rydekull | wols_: cheaters, he is only supposed to use that if he's done it before |
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| 13:51.30 | Harzilein | !tell Harzilein about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:51.30 | wols_ | Rydekull: it's the only one I know if I have to look it up :) |
| 13:51.46 | Harzilein | hm |
| 13:51.46 | Rydekull | !tell Harzilein about msg the bot |
| 13:52.00 | wols_ | Harzilein: just message dpkg. you can that do in private |
| 13:52.17 | Harzilein | never heard of pciid-update |
| 13:52.27 | Harzilein | update-pciids i mean |
| 13:52.43 | Harzilein | btw, i noticed the naming of the howto packages is pretty inconsistent |
| 13:53.21 | wols_ | needed for (newer) cards |
| 13:53.33 | Crypticfortune | wols_: whoah kind of complicated. i need a different kernel to do that? im already running the xen kernel so i dont know if it will play along nicely with that.... |
| 13:53.36 | wols_ | e.g. when you install sarge but have a card which came out after sarge was released |
| 13:53.50 | wols_ | no you don't need a different kernel. but you do need a kernel module |
| 13:54.19 | wols_ | and no, there is no way around that module for the 3D driver |
| 13:56.16 | jetscreamer | with iceweasel, when i right click a link in irc and hit open with firefox, i get two tabs of the same window |
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| 13:58.57 | bhundven | jetscreamer: me 2 |
| 13:59.29 | Crypticfortune | wow m-a is smart ^^ |
| 13:59.55 | Rydekull | Packet Internet or Inter-network Groper |
| 14:01.24 | Crypticfortune | ooo "modprobe nvidia" caused a reboot. that's not good =( |
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| 14:03.17 | stuff | someone knows how to change user password in ldap? |
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| 14:04.53 | jetscreamer | you don't need to modprobe the nvidia module btw, x will load it automatically or something |
| 14:05.02 | Rydekull | stuff: openldap.org |
| 14:05.05 | Rydekull | stuff: go read |
| 14:05.06 | jetscreamer | but it will need to be loadable |
| 14:05.16 | stuff | Rydekull: dan |
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| 14:06.47 | jetscreamer | but you 'should' be able to modprobe it w/o bork though |
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| 14:11.45 | wols_ | Crypticfortune: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/493 |
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| 14:12.53 | limpio | hi all, is 42 C a high temp for a desktop? |
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| 14:14.01 | jetscreamer | it's about avg here, limpio |
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| 14:14.17 | Crypticfortune | well, now glx is missing entirely according to glxinfo =( |
| 14:14.32 | jetscreamer | limpio: they have heat range charts on the site (intel/amd) |
| 14:14.40 | abrotman | limpio: depends on the CPU |
| 14:14.44 | abrotman | limpio: ask #hardware |
| 14:14.49 | wols_ | 42° mobo temp is high, while 42°cpu is fairly cool |
| 14:14.55 | jetscreamer | go to intel.com or amd.com |
| 14:15.03 | limpio | thx guys |
| 14:15.10 | jetscreamer | and get it from the horse's mouth |
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| 14:17.16 | jetscreamer | but when i click open in mozilla, only one tab in iceape |
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| 14:23.51 | Crypticfortune | jetscreamer: you're right. it does try to load the nividia module automatically. and unfortunately that causes my system to rebooot.... =( |
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| 14:24.45 | jetscreamer | Crypticfortune: when i get that, there's a problem with the nvidiaglx or so... mesa supplies glx or opengl... do glxinfo again |
| 14:25.07 | jetscreamer | let meknow when you get desperate enough for the nvidia.com one-liner... not sure about xen though. |
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| 14:26.15 | Crypticfortune | jetscreamer: i cant run glxinfo because X won't load... |
| 14:27.22 | wols_ | Crypticfortune: what kernel version exactly |
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| 14:28.42 | elshaa | erf, after an accidentaly use of tar, I have a file named "--exclude" How can I remove it ? neither rm "--exclude" or 'exclude' works... |
| 14:29.14 | Crypticfortune | wols_: well it used to be 2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 (though im in 2.6.21-rc1 currently so gdm won't try to load =p) |
| 14:30.34 | petemc | elshaa: rm -- --exclude |
| 14:30.52 | elshaa | thanks petemc |
| 14:31.08 | petemc | np |
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| 14:32.19 | ewanm89 | elshaa: rm /-/-exclude |
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| 14:32.56 | elshaa | ewanm89: no, doesn't work |
| 14:33.12 | elshaa | neither does rm \-\-exclude |
| 14:33.18 | Rydekull | elshaa: listen to petemc |
| 14:33.50 | elshaa | yep yep. Thanks anyway ewanm89 |
| 14:34.03 | ewanm89 | rm \-\-exclude |
| 14:34.14 | elshaa | 15:33 < elshaa> neither does rm \-\-exclude |
| 14:34.22 | SerajewelKS | i need to transcode an ogg theora stream to mpeg2, but all of the tools i would normally use for this (transcode, avidemux) cannot read the stream. suggestions? |
| 14:34.39 | justin | SerajewelKS: mencoder? |
| 14:34.42 | petemc | SerajewelKS: ffmpeg, mencoder? |
| 14:35.22 | SerajewelKS | forgot about mencoder, will give it a shot |
| 14:35.59 | jetscreamer | you might need the theora codec installed? iirc it's a package, not positive. |
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| 14:36.29 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: well since my box produced the stream, i assume it's installed |
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| 14:36.44 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:36.57 | jetscreamer | i never did theora so no idea. |
| 14:37.04 | jetscreamer | there is #mplayer though |
| 14:37.17 | jetscreamer | for mencoder help |
| 14:38.31 | SerajewelKS | really all i need is a format guaranteed to work on 'doze, and i've had good luck with mpeg2 |
| 14:38.38 | jetscreamer | xvid |
| 14:39.22 | SerajewelKS | without extra codecs, no |
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| 14:40.08 | jetscreamer | #mancoder |
| 14:40.10 | jetscreamer | err men |
| 14:40.20 | jetscreamer | uh duh |
| 14:40.28 | petemc | freudian slip.. |
| 14:40.29 | jetscreamer | #mplayer |
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| 14:40.51 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 14:41.01 | Crypticfortune | ouch, even after going though everything in http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/493 gdm still causes a kernel panick on startup =( |
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| 14:41.09 | jetscreamer | i should say this petemc ... but i did just dump a big one... |
| 14:41.11 | jetscreamer | shouldn't |
| 14:41.16 | SerajewelKS | weird, i just encoded to mpeg2 and WMP can't even play that |
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| 14:41.38 | SerajewelKS | guess i'll try mpeg1 |
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| 14:41.46 | jetscreamer | div3 is windows native iirc |
| 14:41.56 | jetscreamer | div5 you need to d/l i think |
| 14:42.02 | jetscreamer | if in win |
| 14:42.12 | jetscreamer | but i forget... #mplayer |
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| 14:42.32 | SerajewelKS | so with lavc that would be vcodec=msmpeg4 |
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| 14:42.38 | justin | install vlc, problem solved |
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| 14:43.01 | SerajewelKS | justin: you're assuming i have control over the box |
| 14:43.13 | jetscreamer | the online manpage and tutpage i usually keep open when i encode :) |
| 14:43.21 | jetscreamer | i need to |
| 14:43.34 | indridcold | how do I set the date in debian ? |
| 14:43.48 | Rydekull | date |
| 14:43.53 | indridcold | tried date 03051441 but it won't let pass the year |
| 14:43.55 | indridcold | :( |
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| 14:44.29 | Rydekull | !tell indridcold about setdate |
| 14:44.30 | jetscreamer | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ |
| 14:44.42 | byteshack | how can I set my 3c59x eth card to full duplex? 3c59x in compiled into the kernel |
| 14:44.58 | wols_ | indridcold: if the box has inet access: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 14:45.10 | SerajewelKS | wow, wmp doesn't even do xvid3 |
| 14:45.15 | byteshack | is it just adding a line to /etc/modules? |
| 14:45.15 | justin | byteshack: mii-tool? |
| 14:45.48 | petemc | do you still need the 3c5x9cfg tools for those cards? |
| 14:45.48 | wols_ | byteshack: since it's compiled in, kernel boot parameter |
| 14:45.52 | justin | byteshack: you are of course certain that you can full-duplex in the first place? |
| 14:46.05 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-video-for-windows.html |
| 14:46.09 | byteshack | justin: good call |
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| 14:46.31 | byteshack | I have another nic on that machine running at full duplex, and they are not coexisting happly |
| 14:46.43 | justin | byteshack: what are they plugged into? |
| 14:46.44 | whadar | is there any sane way to install vmplayer in etch? |
| 14:47.10 | byteshack | justin: one is plugged into a hub, and the other one into a switch |
| 14:47.19 | byteshack | both of those devises are 10/100 |
| 14:47.22 | justin | byteshack: your hub probably can't do full duplex |
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| 14:47.51 | Crypticfortune | hmmm, gdm loaded this time, but i seem to have compiled the nvidia module for the wrong kernel version... (compiled for 2.6.21-rc1 when i really want to compile for 2.6.18-xen.... how do i point it in the right direction?) |
| 14:47.58 | byteshack | justin: I'll look at the docos for it |
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| 14:49.05 | Crypticfortune | reconfigure x to load without nvidia drivers so i can boot to the correct kernel and then compile from that? |
| 14:49.16 | byteshack | mii-tool will not talk to my eth0, only to my eth1: SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported |
| 14:49.23 | justin | byteshack: oh well:) |
| 14:49.42 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xorg , choose nv driver. oh hey did you tell xorg to use the nvidia driver? |
| 14:49.47 | byteshack | any other way I can reduce that iface to HD? |
| 14:50.08 | jetscreamer | ah yes you did |
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| 14:50.58 | Crypticfortune | jetscreamer: yes i did. i think that's what caused gdm to crash the kernel on startup.... |
| 14:51.09 | jetscreamer | just put it back to nv |
| 14:51.41 | jetscreamer | Crypticfortune: for that other way, /msg dpkg nv.run |
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| 14:53.53 | assasukasse | hi everyone, if i wanna check my memory usage what should i use? top? |
| 14:54.02 | Ronin | free as well |
| 14:54.18 | assasukasse | thanks |
| 14:54.38 | assasukasse | however, gkrellm says im using 189meg, but free says 757meg |
| 14:57.07 | abrotman | man free |
| 14:59.33 | raf256 | IceWeasel do not have the reset-master-password button! |
| 14:59.38 | assasukasse | thanks abrotman but i tried all option... |
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| 15:00.09 | JordiGH | How can I count the number of lines in a file? |
| 15:00.27 | Ankman | wc -l |
| 15:00.47 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
| 15:01.08 | wols_ | assasukasse: free |
| 15:01.27 | wols_ | assasukasse: then learn to interpret what free says |
| 15:01.38 | wols_ | hint: it displays memory used as cache too |
| 15:01.51 | assasukasse | so i subtract it |
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| 15:04.07 | h3sp4wn | free -m (and use the -/+ buffers/cache: line) |
| 15:04.26 | h3sp4wn | (should be same as used - cached) |
| 15:04.32 | sam_ | we are trying to workout how to implement hotplugging USB devices under xfce.. we have udev installed and when a usb device is inserted it appears on the destop but is not mounted. If we install kde then it works. how can we get this functionality in xfce without installing all of kde? |
| 15:05.01 | stew | sam_: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:05.16 | sam_ | etch |
| 15:05.22 | stew | sam_: you can use ivman |
| 15:05.29 | sam_ | Ok thanks |
| 15:05.48 | stew | sam_: or install whatever it is from kde that was doing the automounting (which likely wouldn't rely on all of kde) but i don't know what package that is |
| 15:06.16 | abrotman | assasukasse: i meant to understand what it means :) |
| 15:06.21 | sam_ | nor do we :( |
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| 15:07.02 | stew | sam_: well ivman is what xubuntu uses iirc |
| 15:07.23 | assasukasse | abrotman: im trying to make differences and sums, but i can never get what gkrellm says :D |
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| 15:07.35 | abrotman | assasukasse: blame gkrellm :) |
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| 15:07.47 | abrotman | assasukasse: or paste it somewhere and ask us to explain it to you |
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| 15:09.42 | assasukasse | i paste here is just 3 lines. |
| 15:09.47 | assasukasse | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.49 | assasukasse | Mem: 758 718 39 0 105 396 |
| 15:09.49 | assasukasse | -/+ buffers/cache: 216 541 |
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| 15:11.53 | h3sp4wn | that makes it look unclear as its not aligned properly |
| 15:11.53 | abrotman | there's a linem issing |
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| 15:12.13 | h3sp4wn | the 215 should be under used and 541 under free |
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| 15:13.26 | Crypticfortune | ugh.....even after recompiling the nvidia kernel module from within the xen kernel still crashes =( |
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| 15:13.42 | assasukasse | abrotman: swap, but is not used |
| 15:13.44 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune: look at nvnews.net to find suitable xen patches |
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| 15:13.48 | Crypticfortune | er sorry: from within xen, the xen kernel still crashes =( |
| 15:13.51 | abrotman | we'd still like to see it |
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| 15:14.40 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: just to provide closure, using lavc and codec=wmv2 seems to work great |
| 15:15.09 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune: nvidia doesn't support running it under xen so you need extra kernel patches for the module |
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| 15:16.51 | queuetue | How would I install an older etch package that no longer shows in apt-cache? On my testing here, 2.6.18-3-xen-686 boots, 2.6.18-4-xen-686 does not, but a new server does not have -3 available. |
| 15:17.37 | Crypticfortune | h3sp4wn: where might the kernel patches be on that site? i dont see any.... |
| 15:17.40 | h3sp4wn | queuetue: copy the deb from /var/cache/apt/archives where you do have it |
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| 15:17.57 | stew | queuetue: please file a bug against 2.6.18-4-xen-686: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 15:18.13 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune: You have to look in the forum - people post patches there - but only for certain combinations of kernel and nvidia-glx |
| 15:18.14 | chops | queuetue: Tried snapshot.debian.net? |
| 15:18.58 | queuetue | stew: I wasn't going to, because I have so little information ... 'Does not boot' sounded like I'd just annoy them. Should I bug it anyway? |
| 15:19.00 | assasukasse | Swap: 815 0 815 |
| 15:19.05 | Velaskyalf | !distro |
| 15:19.05 | dpkg | i guess distro is significa distribuion (english) |
| 15:19.15 | Velaskyalf | !distribuion |
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| 15:19.25 | Velaskyalf | !dpkg |
| 15:19.26 | dpkg | dpkg is a bot (me!), but more importantly it's the command which actually installs and otherwise manages Debian packages (.deb files). |
| 15:19.32 | queuetue | h3sp4wn: Thanks. (duh. :) ) |
| 15:19.59 | Velaskyalf | !apt-setup |
| 15:19.59 | dpkg | [apt-setup] a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 15:20.14 | Ronin | !tell Velaskyalf about self tell |
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| 15:20.56 | Ronin | or something like that |
| 15:21.33 | Velaskyalf | hmm |
| 15:21.42 | stew | queuetue: please do, include as much information as you can think of. especially since that is the kernel that is planned to be released with etch, you should let the kernel maintainers decide if the bug report is relevant |
| 15:22.03 | Velaskyalf | !tell webmin |
| 15:22.07 | Velaskyalf | ? |
| 15:22.12 | petemc | Velaskyalf: /msg dpkg webmin |
| 15:22.12 | Velaskyalf | how it work? |
| 15:22.17 | stew | Velaskyalf: type this in your irc client: /msg dpkg webmin |
| 15:22.19 | Velaskyalf | ha Ok |
| 15:22.46 | petemc | queuetue: does adding noreboot to the kernel line give you any more debugging info? |
| 15:22.47 | Velaskyalf | Thanks :) i will learn |
| 15:22.49 | ChaosR | !distribution |
| 15:22.50 | dpkg | distribution is probably a collection of goodies built around a kernel like Linux |
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| 15:23.03 | itchi | !tell Velaskyalf about selftell |
| 15:23.04 | ChaosR | hmm |
| 15:23.38 | ChaosR | !distro |
| 15:23.38 | dpkg | distro is, like, significa distribuion (english) |
| 15:23.44 | itchi | bah |
| 15:23.46 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:23.48 | JordiGH | stew: Oh, dear. More RC bugs? etch will release by summer at this rate. ;-) |
| 15:23.49 | ChaosR | someone should change that |
| 15:23.55 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, distro is short for distribution. |
| 15:23.56 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 15:23.56 | itchi | !tell ChaosR about selftell |
| 15:24.24 | Ronin | ahh haa no space |
| 15:24.36 | itchi | Ronin: :-p |
| 15:24.40 | ChaosR | itchi: what is the problem? |
| 15:24.50 | itchi | ChaosR: Nothing, i took my dpkg gun :-p |
| 15:24.54 | stew | JordiGH: its not necessarily RC |
| 15:25.37 | RvGaTe | pipeline, you there ? |
| 15:25.50 | itchi | RvGaTe: vmware server fixed? |
| 15:25.54 | abrotman | JordiGH: it doesn't matter .. would you rather etch release broken stuff? |
| 15:26.09 | RvGaTe | itchi, if it is, you are the first to know |
| 15:26.13 | itchi | RvGaTe: If you got that cairo bla bla bla trouble, do /etc/init.d/dbus stop and it will start :-s |
| 15:26.36 | queuetue | petemc: Unfortunately, I've got a tech with the IQ of a chunk of wood handling the trouble tickets for me at the DC, so I've got very little information to work from... |
| 15:26.47 | itchi | RvGaTe: Saw you the messages i leaved for you? Just get the 'new' version and the trouble is gone |
| 15:27.09 | petemc | queuetue: ah, right, that does make it more difficult |
| 15:27.12 | itchi | RvGaTe: The new vmware server i mean |
| 15:27.47 | itchi | RvGaTe: I'm in it right now :-) |
| 15:28.03 | abrotman | queuetue: you're saying i have a chunk of wood for a brain ? |
| 15:28.15 | petemc | haha |
| 15:28.18 | ChaosR | I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?" <- If (that == true) Where can I find the source, it would save me a lot of time |
| 15:28.20 | itchi | RvGaTe: Man, openvz is much nicer btw :-p |
| 15:28.27 | ChaosR | from dpkg* |
| 15:28.28 | queuetue | abrotman: Why? Are you a tech at the Planet? :) |
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| 15:28.35 | abrotman | queuetue: what if i am? :) |
| 15:28.44 | queuetue | abrotman: Then I'd say, probably, yes. |
| 15:28.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:29.06 | Nyle | chunk of wood for a brain |
| 15:29.09 | Nyle | lol |
| 15:29.15 | Nyle | never heard that one before |
| 15:29.22 | abrotman | odd |
| 15:29.23 | itchi | RvGaTe: I will be back later, need to work haha |
| 15:29.26 | Nyle | i know eh |
| 15:29.40 | stew | queuetue: do you have bootlogging turned on? do you have any idea how far it gets into the boot process? |
| 15:30.00 | stew | queuetue: if this is some remote server in control of some tech from the planet, i dunno about your bug report anymore |
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| 15:31.01 | queuetue | stew: No, I, unfortunately, only have the IQ of a slug, and need to go learn more about bootlogging. :) |
| 15:31.13 | stew | !bootlog |
| 15:31.13 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 15:31.18 | abrotman | just wait til the slug eats the wood! |
| 15:31.23 | queuetue | :) |
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| 15:31.59 | ChaosR | dpkg: your source |
| 15:32.00 | dpkg | well, your source is "Eeeek, you big pervert, don't look at me like that!" |
| 15:32.26 | ChaosR | Is dpkg (the bot) opensource? |
| 15:32.35 | ChaosR | or, how does it work |
| 15:32.41 | stew | dpkg: your source is also available at http://blootbot.sf.net or "apt-get source blootbot" |
| 15:32.41 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 15:33.34 | rahul | !dpkgbot |
| 15:33.34 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 15:33.36 | jetscreamer | ChaosR: you can synch the db also, don has it online.. /join #debian-bots |
| 15:33.41 | rahul | hrm. |
| 15:34.29 | compDo | How can I redirect the output of "time" to a file? With "time -o file date" I get "-bash: -o: command not found" although the option -o is mentioned in the man pages |
| 15:35.18 | Nyle | compDo: umm time > time.log |
| 15:35.19 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 15:35.25 | ewanm89 | time date -o file |
| 15:36.22 | compDo | ewanm89: does not work either, I get "date: invalid option -- o" |
| 15:37.00 | compDo | Nyle: then I just get the output of the command in tme.log but not the output of "time" |
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| 15:39.18 | ewanm89 | time > file then! |
| 15:39.21 | anabain | does anybody know of a tutorial or explanation about printing from a printer in a winbug$ system to a linux system which has samba installed? |
| 15:39.54 | wols_ | samba howto has a section about that |
| 15:39.58 | wols_ | for both ways |
| 15:40.19 | wols_ | but pray tell, how do you "print from a printer"? |
| 15:40.28 | abrotman | compDo: redirect STDERR and STDOUT |
| 15:40.44 | wols_ | my printer is always on the receiving end, never sending |
| 15:40.45 | amphi | anabain: the 'using samba' book is online at openbooks.oreilly.com I believe |
| 15:40.54 | wols_ | abrotman: I tried. doesn't work(tm) |
| 15:41.00 | abrotman | wols_: tried what ? |
| 15:41.10 | wols_ | my guess is time is a bash built in and you'd need to redirect bash to do it |
| 15:41.16 | wols_ | tried 2> ans > both |
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| 15:41.48 | wols_ | compDo: bash time date > file |
| 15:41.52 | wols_ | something like that perhaps |
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| 15:42.22 | abrotman | compDo: ask #bash |
| 15:42.22 | wols_ | dunno what the option is for bash to execute one command and then stop |
| 15:42.23 | wols_ | that way the "> file" is for bash's output |
| 15:43.34 | abrotman | &> |
| 15:43.48 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 15:44.04 | wols_ | what does &> do? |
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| 15:44.53 | abrotman | should send ERR and OUT to the file |
| 15:45.03 | wols_ | ah yes |
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| 15:45.52 | ewanm89 | Someone needs to teach dpkg about piping. |
| 15:46.08 | petemc | but not you? |
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| 15:48.11 | ewanm89 | I'm not going to from my mobile. |
| 15:48.18 | abrotman | ewanm89: dpkg about piping ? |
| 15:48.47 | abrotman | you mean redirection ? |
| 15:49.01 | stew | compDo: -o works with time here, what version of the time package do you have installed? |
| 15:49.09 | abrotman | stew: it doesn't work here on sarge |
| 15:49.26 | abrotman | $ time --output=blah ls .. no workie |
| 15:49.34 | hark | it's the builtin probably |
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| 15:49.38 | abrotman | $ time --output=blah ls |
| 15:49.38 | abrotman | -bash: --output=blah: command not found |
| 15:49.42 | anabain | thanks amphi :) |
| 15:49.45 | stew | abrotman: /bin/time? |
| 15:49.51 | stew | err |
| 15:49.57 | stew | /usr/bin/time |
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| 15:50.04 | rgsteele | Hm. Is it wildy radical to think that Debian maybe should standardize GID's? Like, Debian-exim always would have GID X, and www-data would always have GID Y? I know it'd be a hard sell at first because you'd have to make all the existing systems conform, but in the long run ...would it make sense? |
| 15:50.08 | abrotman | stew: apparently. |
| 15:50.14 | abrotman | stew: so says which |
| 15:50.39 | abrotman | ii time 1.7-21 The GNU time program for measuring cpu resou |
| 15:50.42 | abrotman | on the sarge box |
| 15:50.51 | hark | type time |
| 15:51.02 | abrotman | man 1 time |
| 15:51.08 | wols_ | time is a shell keyword here |
| 15:51.30 | stew | abrotman: yes, i have the same version. it works for me on sarge |
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| 15:51.46 | abrotman | ah .. when i explicitly call /usr/bin/time it works .. |
| 15:51.53 | stew | abrotman: however my shell doesn't have a time builtin. does it work for you when you run "/usr/bin/time -o foo" instead of just "time -o foo"? |
| 15:51.58 | stew | yeah |
| 15:52.01 | stew | compDo: ^^ |
| 15:52.11 | jelly | time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. |
| 15:52.13 | hark | ah, greycat answered it ;) |
| 15:52.21 | abrotman | did he curse?! |
| 15:52.23 | hark | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#faq32 |
| 15:52.24 | vorsprung | stew, perl -e 'print scalar localtime' |
| 15:52.34 | stew | vorsprung: what about it? |
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| 15:53.10 | vorsprung | stew, time without time |
| 15:53.17 | stew | vorsprung: what? |
| 15:53.25 | vorsprung | stew, oh sorry it's time |
| 15:53.31 | vorsprung | stew, I was thinking of date |
| 15:53.32 | jelly | vorsprung: that's date, not time |
| 15:53.53 | hartman | I'm getting complaints about the environment after every perl command. bah. did dpkg-reconfigure locales / dpkg-reconfigure localeconf, but problems persist: http://rafb.net/p/RbmxLc37.html |
| 15:54.01 | hartman | I feel like there is some env var I need to export but I don't know what. |
| 15:54.02 | RvGaTe | !bind |
| 15:54.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/view.cgi?/products/BIND/index.phtml, or read the brilliant docs at http://www.nominum.com/resources/documentation/Bv9ARM.pdf. |
| 15:54.09 | RvGaTe | the link: http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/view.cgi?/products/BIND/index.phtml is not valid anymore |
| 15:54.21 | stew | hartman: logout and back in and try again (which will pick up the new LANG= setting) |
| 15:54.30 | hartman | ok... |
| 15:54.38 | zumbi | do you know if debian FOSDEM talks are already online ? |
| 15:54.39 | RvGaTe | the pdf gives me a 404 aswell |
| 15:55.12 | stew | zumbi: the debian videos are here: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2007/fosdem/ |
| 15:55.37 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.52 | petemc | time stands still |
| 15:55.53 | zumbi | thanks |
| 15:56.03 | Nyle | zumbio se nuta gey, zumbio se nuta de munda! hey zumbi nuta day, hay zumbe ke munda! |
| 15:56.08 | Nyle | great song |
| 15:56.10 | rgsteele | Mmm... any way to do a groupadd for system users? I thought I could pass it the -r, but apparently on my Sarge box, the only option I have is to manually specify the GID with the -g flag. |
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| 15:56.40 | JordiGH | rgsteele: Use Emacs to edit /etc/group :-) |
| 15:57.05 | rgsteele | JordiGH: I'd use vim personally, but ok I get the drift. |
| 15:57.07 | stew | rgsteele: use addgroup instead of groupadd |
| 15:57.24 | rgsteele | stew: Cool, thanks |
| 15:57.40 | h3sp4wn | rgsteele: use vigr if you are going to do it manually |
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| 15:57.54 | stew | rgsteele: for vi there is vigr |
| 15:58.00 | rgsteele | h3sp4wn: Yeah. Ideally, I'd rather not to it manually. |
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| 16:00.14 | vorsprung | petemc, in perl -e '@t = localtime(); print \@t + 0, "\n"' \@t is an array reference which you force into a numeric context AS YOU WELL KNOW so time doesn't stand still :) |
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| 16:00.55 | petemc | vorsprung: thanks! :) |
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| 16:02.11 | vorsprung | petemc, here's /usr/bintime in perl. Only problems. 1) only does elapsed time 2) only does seconds resolution |
| 16:02.22 | vorsprung | that's /usr/bin/time |
| 16:02.31 | vorsprung | perl -e 'system @ARGV; print time - $^T' |
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| 16:07.00 | ma3x | fuse exit |
| 16:07.00 | ma3x | fuse init (API version 7.7) |
| 16:07.02 | ma3x | what's that? |
| 16:07.05 | ma3x | I got it in my dmesg |
| 16:07.14 | elenril | after updating my etch this morning and rebooting, kde started to behave weirdly |
| 16:07.39 | abrotman | why is that ? |
| 16:07.44 | elenril | it stops for a very long time - like 10 miinutes - on "initiializing system service" |
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| 16:08.00 | vorsprung | or the butthole surfers |
| 16:08.23 | abrotman | elenril: ask #debian-kde |
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| 16:09.56 | Cha0t|c | is there a website for debian n00bs to learn the basics? |
| 16:10.07 | Cha0t|c | like how to use apt, etc |
| 16:10.09 | elenril | abrotman: too few people there |
| 16:10.20 | ma3x | why when I click on a link in kmail/skype/xchat, it opens it twice (2 tabs) in firefox/iceweasel |
| 16:10.21 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 16:10.21 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 16:10.42 | Crypticfortune | nope. the nvidia module still crashes the kernel no matter what i do.... i suspect it might have something to do with the fact that im on x86_64 and all these patches are aimed at x86, but i dunno.... |
| 16:10.44 | Cha0t|c | ;) |
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| 16:11.41 | `Kevin | I have a very out of date system, I am not fluent with debian ;P Should I perform an apt-get upgrade before a dist-upgrade or would it be worthless? |
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| 16:12.20 | h3sp4wn | `Kevin: How out of date and which version of debian |
| 16:12.23 | Nokao | hi... i use debian sarge and i have glibc-2.3.2 .... for install db2-express-c i have to install glibc-2.3.3 ... what can i do to do this upgrade? |
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| 16:12.29 | freetos | does debian need a mascot? |
| 16:13.01 | Crypticfortune | freetos: it has the little squiggly symbol. that's mascot enough isn't it? |
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| 16:13.45 | freetos | ok, it's a cool looking piece of graphics, but i'd like it to be 3d and swirling in real life |
| 16:13.52 | stew | debian elects a new mascot yearly: http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_001 |
| 16:14.02 | wols_ | Nokao: check backports, do your own simple sid/etch backport, or install it from etch/sid |
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| 16:14.25 | wols_ | stew: heh |
| 16:15.12 | `Kevin | h3sp4wn: it isnt that bad.. Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 |
| 16:15.24 | stew | or maybe a new mascot with every release: /msg dpkg release history |
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| 16:15.36 | `Kevin | h3sp4wn: I am not sure the last time it was updated, it is at least 1.5yr |
| 16:15.53 | h3sp4wn | `Kevin: with that all you should need is apt-get upgrade then - (3.1 is still stable) |
| 16:15.59 | wols_ | kevinbenko: shouldn't be a problem since it's sarge |
| 16:16.06 | wols_ | however, there still is no new stable version |
| 16:16.11 | `Kevin | alright |
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| 16:16.14 | `Kevin | thx |
| 16:16.43 | wols_ | kevinbenko: but there will be a new stable version fairly soon |
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| 16:19.21 | Nokao | wols_: where i can find some debian backports? |
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| 16:21.44 | Crypticfortune | !tell Nokao about backports |
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| 16:23.22 | hitman | http://nuxil.blogspot.com/ |
| 16:23.34 | Crypticfortune | hmmm, well, i managed to kill glx today....hopefully i can get it working tomorrow....but xen + nvidia is not looking hopeful =( |
| 16:23.59 | Ronin | what about it hitman ? |
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| 16:25.54 | bzed | Crypticfortune: there's a patch to allow nvidia stuff to run in dom0 |
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| 16:26.30 | Crypticfortune | bzed: you mean the stuff on http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/493 ? it doesnt work for me. causes a kernel panic =( |
| 16:26.51 | bzed | yeah |
| 16:27.06 | bzed | unlucky you. then I have no clue |
| 16:27.11 | Crypticfortune | bzed: i think that stuff is aimed at x86 not x86_64 =( |
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| 16:27.32 | Crypticfortune | (not that i see why it would make a difference....but...it doesnt work for me =( |
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| 16:27.49 | maxamillion | is gnash available in the testing repositories under some other package name? |
| 16:27.50 | bzed | Crypticfortune: yeah that could be |
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| 16:28.30 | Crypticfortune | oh well, i'll try again tomorrow |
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| 16:29.21 | jidar | how can I remove all openoffice packages? |
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| 16:29.48 | maxamillion | jidar: aptitude purge openoffice.org |
| 16:29.55 | jidar | ah, thanks :) |
| 16:30.02 | abrotman | that's a metapackage .. and will only work if he installed with aptitude |
| 16:30.07 | maxamillion | jidar: no problem |
| 16:30.26 | jidar | hurm, it seems to want to remove well over 100 packages now |
| 16:30.36 | bzed | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | grep openoffice | xargs aptitude remove |
| 16:30.38 | maxamillion | abrotman: ah .. rgr, i always forget to ask about stuff like that ... i like to think we live in a perfect world and everyone uses aptitude for package management ;) |
| 16:31.03 | bzed | jidar: look my last post ^^ |
| 16:31.12 | jidar | xargs: aptitude: exited with status 255; aborting |
| 16:31.20 | jidar | bzed: although it seems to grab the right ones |
| 16:31.20 | abrotman | jidar: that's possible ... if you installed via `aptitude install openoffice.org` .. when you rmeove it .. it will take everything it installed when it did the install if nothign else is using them |
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| 16:31.34 | jidar | abrotman: it was part of the base install I did. |
| 16:31.39 | abrotman | it was ? |
| 16:31.42 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:31.45 | maxamillion | what!@#? |
| 16:31.48 | bzed | jidar: hmm, try apt-get instead of aptitude probably |
| 16:31.58 | bzed | jidar: or replace aptitude remove by dpkg -r |
| 16:32.10 | jidar | abrotman: I didn't do a normal install. I kinda just set it and forget it. |
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| 16:32.16 | jidar | it grabbed much more then it needed I'm sure. |
| 16:32.18 | maxamillion | dpkg -r purge openoffice.org .... |
| 16:32.21 | maxamillion | maybe |
| 16:32.24 | maxamillion | lol |
| 16:32.38 | bzed | dpkg -P abrotman |
| 16:32.38 | maxamillion | didn't mean to talk to the bot |
| 16:32.41 | Nokao | fuck why I always find glibc 2.3.2 packages and no 2.3.3 is avaiable? |
| 16:32.48 | hark | yeah, it's a part of the desktop task |
| 16:33.15 | abrotman | bzed: don't! |
| 16:33.16 | Cha0t|c | i'm probably going to be shunned for mentioning webmin in here but i installed the package and i'm kinda able to connect to port :10000 but than it says you are not authorized to view this page |
| 16:33.24 | jair | hey guys I am trying to find a tool that will work as quick and similar than Symantec Ghost for linux with EXT3 with or without LVM but always using EXT3 as file system. |
| 16:33.29 | jair | any suggestions? |
| 16:33.30 | pif | how can I test if a ssl key goes with a ssh cert? |
| 16:33.46 | Ronin | Cha0t|c: man webmin or google |
| 16:33.46 | mbuf | i am getting a broken package, dependency hell when trying to install beryl; following this guide: http://technowizah.com/2007/02/debian-how-to-aiglx-beryl.html |
| 16:33.52 | Nokao | can someone help me to find a repository with a 2.3.3 glibc for debian sarge? i'm a little noob in porting and backports |
| 16:33.54 | C-M | hey there - someone here using agpg? I'm getting "could not determine key id" every time and have no idea how to solve this |
| 16:34.08 | hark | jidar: check with tasksel --task-packages desktop |grep open and remove them |
| 16:34.09 | mbuf | am ichoosing the wrong mirror ? i have installed proprietary ati drivers successfully with fglrx |
| 16:34.16 | bzed | Cha0t|c: webmin was removed from debian for a reason ;) |
| 16:34.28 | hark | mbuf: it's not in debian.. |
| 16:35.08 | hark | wait, that won't help too |
| 16:35.12 | stew | Cha0t|c: check /usr/share/doc/webmin/README.Debian |
| 16:35.36 | mbuf | hark, should i follow this guide, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian ? |
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| 16:35.58 | stew | Nokao: sarge (the current stable was released with 2.3.2, sarge will never get a new version. etch which will be released soon will release with 2.3.6 |
| 16:36.45 | Nokao | ok: so how can i just use 2.3.6 with sarge? |
| 16:36.52 | stew | Nokao: you can't |
| 16:36.53 | Nokao | i only have to install db2... |
| 16:36.57 | hark | mbuf: all that is unofficial.. you're on your own. Compiz is in the repos however |
| 16:37.07 | mbuf | hark, i see |
| 16:37.09 | stew | Nokao: you'd have to upgrade to testing to use 2.3.6 |
| 16:37.10 | jidar | seems to work fine: apt-get remove `tasksel --task-packages desktop |grep open` |
| 16:37.13 | Nokao | so i have to use a testing ? |
| 16:37.17 | stew | Nokao: ye |
| 16:37.19 | stew | yes |
| 16:37.23 | jidar | hark: thanks :) |
| 16:37.27 | Nokao | or use ubuntu :D |
| 16:37.31 | stew | dunno |
| 16:37.41 | Nokao | is it possible to make the upgrade using apt-get with changed sources.list? |
| 16:37.50 | wols_ | nalioth: yes |
| 16:37.52 | hark | jidar: well, openoffice.org is a metapackage.. |
| 16:37.56 | wols_ | Nokao: yes |
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| 16:38.11 | Nokao | how? |
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| 16:38.23 | stew | Nokao: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 16:38.25 | Nokao | just changing sarge to etch and update? |
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| 16:38.40 | Nokao | thanks: you're very well organized there |
| 16:38.43 | Nokao | so nice bots |
| 16:38.56 | wols_ | !botsnack |
| 16:38.57 | dpkg | aw, gee, wols_ |
| 16:39.01 | hark | jidar: probably remove all openoffice.org-* packages |
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| 16:39.33 | wols_ | is there a openoffice "common" package? if so remove it. usually it removes all others for that software too |
| 16:39.42 | jraasch | hey everyone, does anyone know if there is a log to check that shows all the services that booted up. I want to be able to see all the FAILED services |
| 16:40.00 | wols_ | try syslog |
| 16:40.07 | Velaskyalf | Hey dudes. I will use web server with debian. Which Hosting Control Panel best for debian? |
| 16:40.27 | wols_ | Velaskyalf: I'd say ssh |
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| 16:40.42 | wols_ | don't even know of any "control panels" for debian |
| 16:40.44 | Velaskyalf | :) I am not exper wols_ |
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| 16:42.14 | Ronin | Velaskyalf: you dont have to be an expert to use ssh |
| 16:42.47 | wols_ | Velaskyalf: only reason to use a control panel is for commercial hosting imho |
| 16:42.51 | wols_ | not for your own server |
| 16:43.17 | bzed | Velaskyalf: if you need something for commercial stuff, have a look into dtc. at least that's the only debian package I was able to find :P |
| 16:43.31 | wols_ | and if you are commercially hosting you should get around with ssh ro you have no business doing that hosting for othres :) |
| 16:43.46 | Velaskyalf | :) I see dtc. |
| 16:44.14 | Nokao | however when the hell testing will become sarge? i heard of it about 2 years ago... |
| 16:44.19 | Velaskyalf | i will try on mu local comp. if i like i can set up my dedicated web server. |
| 16:44.34 | Ronin | !tell Nokao about wwer |
| 16:44.38 | hark | !when will etch be released |
| 16:44.39 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some entrails... ok, etch should be out by Christmas. |
| 16:44.40 | jelly | Nokao: testing _has_ become sarge about 2 years ago ;-) |
| 16:44.50 | jelly | errr |
| 16:44.52 | jelly | stable |
| 16:45.08 | bzed | !when is christmas |
| 16:45.08 | dpkg | bzed: what are you talking about? |
| 16:45.09 | Nokao | yes: but shouldn't it be done again? |
| 16:45.28 | Ronin | Nokao: did you read what dpkg just told you? |
| 16:45.30 | bzed | Nokao: the new release will be called etch |
| 16:45.39 | jelly | bzed: note that it didn't say christmas which year. |
| 16:45.55 | Nokao | lol :D |
| 16:45.58 | Nokao | thanks, that's good |
| 16:46.01 | hark | !date of release |
| 16:46.01 | dpkg | The next release of debian will release on Jan 17, 2031. If you ask again, the date will change. Ask me about <siyh> <wir> |
| 16:46.03 | bzed | jelly: i know ;) |
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| 16:46.20 | jelly | !date of release |
| 16:46.20 | dpkg | The next release of debian will release on Aug 19, 2008. If you ask again, the date will change. Ask me about <siyh> <wir> |
| 16:46.23 | hartman | Quit |
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| 16:46.48 | Velaskyalf | Aug 19, 2031?? |
| 16:46.56 | Velaskyalf | :)) |
| 16:47.14 | Velaskyalf | I will be 51 years old. |
| 16:47.32 | maxamillion | i was here like 10 minutes ago ... had to run, came back and about to go again but i was hoping someone logged in that might know if gnash is available in the testing repositories under some other package name than "gnash" and if there is a plugin for it for iceweasel? |
| 16:48.11 | hark | yes iirc |
| 16:48.15 | Nokao | so for a server i can use testing... shouldn't I? |
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| 16:48.30 | maxamillion | hark: awesome, might you know the package name? |
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| 16:48.38 | wols_ | Nokao: only you can decide that |
| 16:48.50 | hark | gnash, mozilla-plugin-gnash |
| 16:49.00 | Nokao | i was asking :D |
| 16:49.12 | maxamillion | Nokao: i don't see why not .... if its a production server that you need extreme stability, then maybe not ... but testing has always been good to me |
| 16:49.15 | wols_ | !tell maxamillion about search |
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| 16:49.34 | hark | maxamillion: apt-cache search gnash :) |
| 16:49.41 | jraasch | We are running Dans Guadian here at a school and have been authenticating through LDAP to the novel tree and my boss is saying that the ldap authentication login component isnt working. The only ldap line in the syslog is this one: localhost squid[1731]: helperOpenServers: Starting 15 'ldap_auth' processes. This doesn't look like any error though. Does anyone know what else I can look in to... |
| 16:49.42 | jraasch | ...troubleshoot this? thanks |
| 16:49.51 | Nokao | Do you want to upgrade glibc now? [Y/n] |
| 16:49.52 | Nokao | Unpacking replacement libc6 ... |
| 16:49.52 | Nokao | Setting up libc6 (2.3.6.ds1-13) ... |
| 16:49.56 | itchi | Nokao: Not realy, but like Etch is frozen right now, maybe. But ususally testing is not yet 'secure' in the way of stability |
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| 16:50.05 | maxamillion | wols_: i am very aware of search, but searching for gnash with apt-cache, aptitude and on packages.debian.org didn't yeild me any results |
| 16:50.40 | hark | !info gnash etch |
| 16:50.40 | maxamillion | hark: it didn't return it for me :/ |
| 16:50.40 | bzed | maxamillion: it's not in testing, only in unstable |
| 16:50.41 | maxamillion | bzed: that would be why :( |
| 16:50.41 | itchi | Nokao: You get still many updates for Etch and it could be borrowing to reconfig some packges every time you update and upgrade the stuff |
| 16:50.51 | maxamillion | ok, well thank you all ... i'm outta here |
| 16:50.56 | Velaskyalf | Nakao. I in my opinion debian's testing stables than another distros. |
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| 16:51.07 | Nokao | the solution is to not update and upgrade the stuff :D |
| 16:51.08 | wols_ | ma3x: dpkg's search factoid teaches about packages.debian.org |
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| 16:52.13 | PupenoR | What tool do you recommend to keep my own repository of debs for some Debian servers? |
| 16:53.28 | itchi | PupenoR: apt-proxy? |
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| 16:53.29 | abrotman | apt-proxy |
| 16:53.36 | KickstartUF | Does anyone know if a guide to compiling from the source package for squid? I need to increase the file descriptor limits that are hard-coded, but they appear to have been set in multiple places. I did change the SQUID_MAXFD amount in debian/rules but that didn't solve the problem. I need greater than the hard-coded 4096. Thanks! |
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| 16:53.54 | PupenoR | itchi: apt-proxy is not for that. |
| 16:54.06 | wols_ | KickstartUF: apt-get -b source squid |
| 16:54.33 | wols_ | afaik that limit is a kernel or whatever limit (4096) |
| 16:54.38 | itchi | PupenoR: Read the introduction http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=32 |
| 16:55.12 | PupenoR | itchi: I'll do, but I already used apt-proxy for what it was meant to do. |
| 16:55.15 | KickstartUF | nah...we've updated everything else and the user compiling and running squid is set to 65535 right now, but still runs into that limit |
| 16:55.20 | itchi | PupenoR: oki |
| 16:55.51 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.56 | wols_ | or creates that many |
| 16:55.56 | PupenoR | itchi: my computers are not on the same network and I don't want to have a mirror of packages of someone else's repository, but my own repository. |
| 16:56.05 | wols_ | if it works: it's the kernel. if not, it's squid |
| 16:56.06 | KickstartUF | the maintainer of the package also acknowledged a 4096 hard-coded limit, but hasn't gotten back to me on fixing this |
| 16:56.15 | itchi | PupenoR: Then you not need 'special' tools |
| 16:56.30 | wols_ | hardcoded in squid? then maybe you should patch squid or ask them to "fix" ir |
| 16:56.57 | PupenoR | itchi: I many not 'need' them, but they may make the task simpler. Otherwise debarchiver, kattie and others like that wouldn't exist, would they? |
| 16:57.11 | KickstartUF | I'm trying to patch squid, and the maintainer isn't getting back to me. Basically, for this client, either I get this to work or they go back to BSD |
| 16:57.30 | jraasch | !date of release |
| 16:57.30 | dpkg | The next release of debian will release on Sep 29, 2027. If you ask again, the date will change. Ask me about <siyh> <wir> |
| 16:57.35 | jraasch | now thats funny =) |
| 16:57.39 | abrotman | ulimit |
| 16:57.43 | itchi | PupenoR: I have a little article about it, but it sucks a bit http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=59 |
| 16:58.13 | KickstartUF | ulimit shows 65535. The limit is hard-coded in squid, ignoring the kernel and user limits. |
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| 16:58.38 | wols_ | then you need to patch squid as I said |
| 16:58.50 | wols_ | as a last ditch measure, grep 4096 squid |
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| 16:59.20 | Smoked1 | I'm getting an error t hat says: "ip_tables, ipt_state, and/or ipt_multiport modules do not exist". After installing a new kernel from packages. How do I get these modules compiled in or at least running? |
| 16:59.23 | KickstartUF | wols_: yes, which is what I've been doing. Unfortunately, the code is a mess and that number is all over the place |
| 16:59.24 | wols_ | grep -r 4096 squid/src/* that is |
| 16:59.44 | KickstartUF | not just in the file descriptor limits |
| 16:59.49 | wols_ | KickstartUF: squid on BSD has not that limit? |
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| 17:00.23 | KickstartUF | wols_: nope...this client was running much larger numbers of file descriptors on BSD without problem |
| 17:00.37 | ma3x | wols_: what did you have in mind? I didn't ask about that |
| 17:00.41 | Nokao | thanks to all i'll install etch tomorrow (and hope that this damn ibm db2 installs) |
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| 17:00.57 | Petaris | Hi all |
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| 17:01.19 | dav__ | elo |
| 17:01.33 | dav__ | i have a little question, how to activate DMA mode at boot |
| 17:01.33 | busfahrer | Excuse me, am I doing something wrong or is 2.6.8 really the most recent kernel version in 3.1r5? |
| 17:01.37 | pumpkin0 | What package do i need for burning DVD-RWs (data, not video DVDs) ? Thanks |
| 17:01.39 | Petaris | What needs to be done to implement the new DST rules for the US? |
| 17:01.42 | dav__ | what to add to the boot line |
| 17:02.00 | Ronin | Petaris: an apt-get update $$ apt-get upgrade iirc |
| 17:02.32 | Petaris | Ronin: apt-get upgrade breaks too many things usually |
| 17:02.47 | Ronin | Petaris: you're thinking dist-upgrade perhaps |
| 17:02.48 | pumpkin0 | busfahrer: 3.1 is sarge. sarge is stable and only changed if really, really needed. |
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| 17:02.54 | ezguy | hi, is the ck804 sata nVidia nForce Pro 2200 SATA2 Controller hot swappable? |
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| 17:02.56 | Petaris | Ronin: Is there a single package I can upgrade |
| 17:03.04 | Petaris | Ronin: ahh, your right |
| 17:03.12 | Petaris | I was thinking dist-upgrade |
| 17:03.17 | wols_ | ma3x: nick complete misfired. before i could answer the user (maximilian or such) left |
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| 17:03.40 | ma3x | wols_: ok np |
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| 17:07.01 | jair | hey guys, is there a pretty stable tool to back up .img or iso complete image of the linux OS EXT3, a tool similar than ghost for windows? |
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| 17:07.13 | jair | that will work in linux? |
| 17:07.19 | itchi | Petaris: aptitude will be your friend |
| 17:08.05 | wols_ | jair: mondo |
| 17:08.11 | jair | wols_: hmm |
| 17:08.12 | itchi | wooaa, good choice KickstartUF :-p |
| 17:08.18 | jair | wols_: what is that exactly? |
| 17:08.27 | Petaris | jair: the new versions of Ghost support ext3 |
| 17:08.32 | wols_ | there is a ghost for linux too |
| 17:08.51 | jair | Petaris: but I do not want to go with a windows version of imaging. |
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| 17:08.56 | itchi | Petaris: g4l (ghost for linux)?? |
| 17:09.06 | petemc | isnt it g4u ? |
| 17:09.31 | jair | yes but anyone have try it before? |
| 17:09.33 | Petaris | itchi: No, I meant Symantec's ghost, it has supported ext since version 9 |
| 17:09.37 | Petaris | but I have not used it |
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| 17:09.49 | jair | Petaris: yes but beleive all kind of problems |
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| 17:10.07 | itchi | petemc: Not that i know |
| 17:10.21 | jair | aI have the version 9 and 10 and when I restore the partitions always have an error black screen and saying "GRUB" and stays there |
| 17:10.22 | Petaris | jair: I don't know, I have never used it |
| 17:10.29 | petemc | !g4u |
| 17:10.30 | dpkg | [g4u] ghost for unix, http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ |
| 17:10.30 | Petaris | jair: try mondo |
| 17:10.39 | itchi | petemc: http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l |
| 17:10.49 | petemc | itchi: we're both right! |
| 17:10.51 | itchi | petemc: Bah, for unix :-p |
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| 17:11.09 | jair | and I am sure that I can repair it restoring GRUB but will be time consuming since I do not have to much experience with GRUB |
| 17:11.17 | jair | editing etc.. |
| 17:11.38 | jair | all right I will check that then |
| 17:11.59 | jair | I has been thinking in use the g4l but nobody has commets about how it works |
| 17:12.12 | itchi | jair: Your MBR |
| 17:12.15 | jair | I will have to email the creator or look for some mail forum |
| 17:12.22 | jair | itchi: right |
| 17:12.42 | jair | MBR is corrupted or something when using Norton Ghost for windows in Linux |
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| 17:13.00 | kie27 | greetings all, small question, installed the opencity game (using apt-get on etch), but it gives me an error when i try to run it. should i report this as a bug somewhere? |
| 17:13.07 | Smoked1 | How do I tell what iptables modules are loaded? |
| 17:13.11 | itchi | jair: Weird, it have not happend here :-s I write it on my TODO.test :-) |
| 17:13.16 | petemc | Smoked1: lsmod |
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| 17:14.44 | Smoked1 | I don't see ip_tables but I see x_tables. Is that normal? |
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| 17:15.32 | petemc | Smoked1: i wouldnt have thought so |
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| 17:15.43 | wols_ | what are "x_tables" supposed to be |
| 17:15.53 | Smoked1 | I don't know |
| 17:15.57 | wols_ | run "iptables -L" |
| 17:16.27 | wols_ | either you get an error or you get some info. do you run a debian kernel? with those, there is netfilter built in |
| 17:16.28 | Smoked1 | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) |
| 17:16.29 | Smoked1 | etc. |
| 17:16.39 | Smoked1 | Yes, it's a debian kernel |
| 17:16.45 | wols_ | so you have iptables. but check what this x_tables is |
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| 17:17.45 | bigwig | hi |
| 17:18.01 | wols_ | iptables module susually start with "ipt_" |
| 17:18.03 | Smoked1 | How do i check what it is? Is there a command or just use google.com |
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| 17:18.15 | bigwig | i am trying to make amavis+ldap work for recipient based whitelisting |
| 17:18.25 | itchi | Smoked1: #iptables ?? |
| 17:18.25 | bigwig | it simply ignores my configuration |
| 17:18.29 | bigwig | can anyone help? |
| 17:18.33 | wols_ | locate x_tables for example. but it seems it's part of netfilter code |
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| 17:18.49 | Smoked1 | it seems that they may changed the prefix on the iptables modules |
| 17:19.04 | Smoked1 | I also have xt_state |
| 17:19.12 | Smoked1 | And a few others that start with xt |
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| 17:20.07 | wols_ | look into kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ of you modules directory under /lib/modules/kernel-version |
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| 17:23.16 | Fox | for x_tables: http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter-devel/2006-January/023064.html |
| 17:23.32 | shadok_ | anybody knows if i can get back the menu that lets me choose between the primary functions of my installed debian (the screen during install where i can choose Web Server/mail Server and such) ? |
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| 17:24.07 | Smoked1 | So there are some changes |
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| 17:24.42 | JordiGH | shadok_: I think it's too late for that, if you've already completed installation. Your box now is whatever mix of packages you have in it. |
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| 17:24.54 | ChrisW | hi all, I'm using the postfix package from backports.org, does anyone know if that has TLS support built in? |
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| 17:25.47 | shadok_ | JordiGH: hmm ok, it's a vm actually, i think i'll reinstall it with only the base packages |
| 17:25.47 | streuner | ChrisW: how about to check out debian/rules? |
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| 17:26.03 | ChrisW | streuner: not sure what you mean by that :-S |
| 17:26.06 | streuner | ChrisW: or just the depends? |
| 17:26.06 | wols_ | shadok_: tasksel? |
| 17:26.24 | shadok_ | maybe, i never heard of that, i'll try :) |
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| 17:26.37 | wols_ | shadok_: try tasksel first |
| 17:26.40 | ChrisW | streuner: how do I do either of the things you suggest? |
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| 17:27.18 | shadok_ | wols_: ty |
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| 17:27.36 | streuner | ChrisW: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/postfix/postfix_2.2.10-1bpo2.dsc |
| 17:27.47 | darren | I'm trying to find if there is support for a SATA controller (VIA VT6421A). Aside from googling are there any other sources of information? |
| 17:27.56 | wols_ | !hcl |
| 17:27.57 | dpkg | [hcl] at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 17:28.06 | bzed | ChrisW: I'm pretty sure it has |
| 17:28.20 | bzed | ChrisW: why should it not have tls support? |
| 17:28.20 | shadok_ | wols_: that's it, great :) |
| 17:28.25 | ChrisW | streuner: okay, I see libssl-dev in there, does that mean it supports tls? |
| 17:28.29 | bzed | ChrisW: even the sarge package had it |
| 17:28.31 | wols_ | ChrisW: if there is a dependency for libssl it has |
| 17:28.37 | ErikRose | msg dpkg wwer |
| 17:28.40 | ChrisW | bzed: 'cos in stable, tls is in the seperate postfix-tls package |
| 17:28.40 | ErikRose | Crap. |
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| 17:28.44 | wols_ | otherwise, look for a postfix-tls there |
| 17:29.06 | ChrisW | there is no postfix-tls on backports or testing |
| 17:29.23 | bzed | ChrisW: that doesn't exist anymore in etch, so I assume it's included in the postfix package in bpo, too |
| 17:29.25 | ChrisW | I'm trying tofigure out if that's because it's not available yet, or if it's because it's no longer necessary |
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| 17:30.09 | ChrisW | bzed: right, trouble is, I have smtpd_use_tsl = yes in my main.cf, and yet my mail client says the server doesn't offer TLS :-S |
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| 17:30.42 | wols_ | there is a typo |
| 17:30.56 | wols_ | and you have to do lots more things afaik, like generate a cert and whatnot |
| 17:31.02 | bzed | ChrisW: it's tls, not tsl |
| 17:31.07 | wols_ | and probably some smtpd_* settings too |
| 17:31.18 | bzed | ChrisW: you probably want to enable smtps in master.conf, too |
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| 17:31.21 | wols_ | #postfix is an excellent channel for that |
| 17:31.30 | streuner | ChrisW: http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/postfix-tls |
| 17:31.50 | ChrisW | bzed: ah, now that might be it :-) |
| 17:31.52 | fedx_ | where can i get a copy of firefox2 for debian? can't seem to find a package |
| 17:32.01 | ChrisW | I have certs already... |
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| 17:32.08 | ChrisW | wols_: they sent me here ;-) |
| 17:32.17 | bzed | !tell fedx_ about iceweasel |
| 17:32.30 | stew | fedx_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:32.35 | streuner | ChrisW: in sarge you need a seperate package (postfix-tls), in etch and sid you don't - its already there |
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| 17:32.37 | wols_ | ChrisW: you can tell them: yes it has TLS :) |
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| 17:32.57 | wols_ | apt-cache show postfix. see the "depends: libssl0,9" part? |
| 17:33.03 | bzed | ChrisW: works very well on my server |
| 17:33.18 | streuner | ChrisW: so those backports who nobse made are all version 2, i guess he just did the same than the packages in etch or sid... |
| 17:33.49 | ChrisW | streuner: right, that was my thinking too... |
| 17:34.03 | streuner | Past Tense? |
| 17:34.40 | ChrisW | streuner: nah, I think it's still corrct, I just need to figure out what else to poke ;-) |
| 17:35.48 | PupenoR | I am backporting Asterisk 1.2.16, any ideas why it would depend specifically on dpkg (>= 1.13.19)? |
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| 17:36.59 | ChaosR | A simple question, how stable is sid, is it like crashes, bugs, etc all the time, or is it like 'it should be stable, but you can't be sure' |
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| 17:37.16 | bzed | ChrisW: smtpd_use_tls = yes ? did you set all certificate files and stuff? |
| 17:37.21 | Ronin | ChaosR: well its not called unstable for nothing |
| 17:37.39 | bzed | ChaosR: testing is not as bad as unstable, though ;) |
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| 17:37.58 | chops | ChaosR: In general it's usable (I use it for my PC at home), but sometimes it breaks badly and you need to know how to clean up the pieces |
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| 17:38.04 | ChrisW | bzed: I typo'd tls to tsl :$ |
| 17:38.25 | bzed | ChrisW: we told you before... 2 times |
| 17:38.39 | ChrisW | and i did it twice |
| 17:38.40 | ChrisW | *sigh* |
| 17:38.44 | ChrisW | I need new fingers |
| 17:38.47 | bzed | lol |
| 17:38.56 | ErikRose | What's everybody's favorite log watcher? I'm sick of Logwatch, as it's too verbose even when I turn it down, and I find it difficult to teach. |
| 17:39.01 | ChaosR | Ronin, bzed, chops: ty |
| 17:39.07 | bzed | ErikRose: logcheck |
| 17:39.19 | ErikRose | bzed: Woot. Thanks. That's 2 counts for logcheck. :-) |
| 17:39.20 | bzed | ChaosR: you're welcom |
| 17:39.31 | ChaosR | sometimes i need the newest software, is there a way to use sid instead of etch for downloading a specific program? |
| 17:39.40 | ChaosR | because I can't be bothered to compile from source |
| 17:40.08 | wols_ | ChaosR: yes, but: this way lies madness |
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| 17:40.36 | bzed | ChaosR: http://pastebin.ca/382465 |
| 17:40.55 | bzed | http://pastebin.ca/382466 |
| 17:41.01 | bzed | ^^ typo, use thi |
| 17:41.04 | bzed | this |
| 17:41.21 | ChrisW | w00t! tls encypt, sasl auth, dovecot as sasl server, it woooorx |
| 17:41.24 | ChrisW | yay :-) |
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| 17:41.27 | bigwig | bye |
| 17:41.27 | ChrisW | thanks guys! |
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| 17:41.57 | bzed | ChaosR: you're own fault if something goes wrong, don't blame me ;P it's called usntable for a good reason |
| 17:42.01 | ChaosR | The way I do it right now is enable unstable when I need something |
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| 17:42.06 | Anthro | Does anyone know of a command to find out how many pages are in a PDF from the commandline? |
| 17:42.10 | ChaosR | and disable it afterwards |
| 17:42.35 | bzed | ChaosR: no, you add the stuff as described, and if you need a package from usntable you do apt-get -t unstable install packagename |
| 17:43.27 | stew | ChaosR: what version of debian are you running now? |
| 17:43.28 | bzed | otherwise it would use testing as default |
| 17:43.47 | ChaosR | stew: etch |
| 17:43.58 | ChaosR | stew: sarge doesn't work :D |
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| 17:45.35 | ChaosR | bzed: 10periodic 70debconf, there are 2 things in the directory, which one should i use? |
| 17:45.46 | macjason0607 | ... |
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| 17:47.11 | h3sp4wn | ChaosR: Or you can just add it to /etc/apt/apt.conf doesn't make any difference |
| 17:47.33 | mormoloc | just bought a new monitor but it seems i cant change to a resolution/refresh rate bigger than that of the last monitor. any ideas on what should i do? |
| 17:47.46 | bzed | ChaosR: i usually just create a new file |
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| 17:52.49 | RvGaTe | pipeline, you there ? |
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| 17:54.59 | fedx_ | how do i install a local package using apt and auto-depends |
| 17:54.59 | ChaosR | bzed: some repositories need to be etch, because testing simply doesn't work, is this a problem? |
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| 17:55.39 | xNinja | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 17:55.40 | xNinja | kernel? |
| 17:55.42 | xNinja | ops |
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| 17:55.52 | stew | xNinja: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 17:55.57 | bzed | ChaosR: actually I'm not sure. you could use etch everywhere, though. but as soon as etch becomes stable you probably want to keep testing in there if you're using stuff from sid. stable and sid doesn;t mix well, but testing and sid is usual;ly not a problem |
| 17:55.57 | liri | xNinja: should be in your /usrc/src |
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| 17:56.13 | stew | xNinja: (assuming you have the -headers package install). what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:57.33 | PaSurf | what is the standard way of flushing everything you have done in cache so when you log off the machine, someone can't scroll up and see the last screens accessed? |
| 17:57.41 | xNinja | humm i didn`t install any header package....may u tellme which is it |
| 17:57.41 | xNinja | # uname -r |
| 17:57.41 | xNinja | 2.6.20-1-686 |
| 17:58.02 | stew | xNinja: oh, did you compile that yourself? |
| 17:58.32 | wols_ | PaSurf: what cache? |
| 17:58.32 | xNinja | no i did download that sarge custom cd so that i can run it on my dell poweredge server |
| 17:58.37 | bzed | PaSurf: look at a non-root user's ~/.bash_logout |
| 17:58.59 | xNinja | custom kernel with scsi/network drivers |
| 17:59.18 | stew | xNinja: you need to find the -headers package that comes with that kernel, which would probably be named linux-headers-2.6.20-1-686 |
| 17:59.42 | stew | xNinja: check /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.20-1-686/changelog to see who is listed as the maintainer |
| 17:59.55 | stew | xNinja: (you won't find that package in debian) |
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| 18:00.08 | bzed | xNinja: with some luck it's on the cd |
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| 18:01.39 | jraasch | when ever I try using the ldap_auth command it just hangs and nothing ever happens.. is it possible that his file could be corrupt? |
| 18:02.25 | xNinja | where i can find it in the cdrom stew ? |
| 18:02.39 | xNinja | i did find /cdrom -name *header* but nothing shows |
| 18:03.11 | bzed | xNinja: sound sliek bad luck then. there should be a pool directory somewhere... in there, probablt pool/l/ |
| 18:03.33 | xNinja | /media/cdrom0/pool/main/linux-headers-2.6.20-1-686_2.6.20-0mtu1_i386.deb |
| 18:03.35 | ChaosR | Yay, ty bzed |
| 18:03.38 | xNinja | is thats it ? |
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| 18:03.58 | bzed | xNinja: looks like, yes |
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| 18:05.52 | PaSurf | wols: basically when I exit from my system I can still scroll up and see the work last created... |
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| 18:06.04 | PaSurf | I assume that is cached some how.... |
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| 18:07.05 | roxy_ | Hi, I am on testing. I want other to be able to access the svn repo via http. Someone knows a better doc than: |
| 18:07.07 | roxy_ | http://alephzarro.com/blog/2007/01/07/installation-of-subversion-on-ubuntu-with-apache-ssl-and-basicauth/ |
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| 18:08.43 | roxy_ | I have the apache2.2-common package and apache2-ssl-certificate is not included in it (3rd step) |
| 18:08.50 | mormoloc | how can i configure my monitor in gnome? |
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| 18:09.12 | mormoloc | reconfigure |
| 18:09.18 | stew | !drxx mormoloc |
| 18:09.18 | dpkg | mormoloc: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:10.18 | xNinja | bzed ok i did dpkg -i install that header.....but i got this error while installing vmware |
| 18:10.20 | xNinja | The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-1-686" is an existing directory, but it |
| 18:10.20 | xNinja | does not contain a "linux" subdirectory as expected. |
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| 18:12.23 | mormoloc | stew: Package `xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available. |
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| 18:12.35 | spyroboy | Hello. |
| 18:12.37 | stew | mormoloc: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:12.39 | PupenoR | I am backporting Asterisk 1.2.16, any ideas why it would depend specifically on dpkg (>= 1.13.19)? Is there some critical change between dpkg 1.10 and 1.13. |
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| 18:12.52 | mormoloc | stew: etch |
| 18:12.55 | spyroboy | Does anyone know of a good mail client for IMAP and POP3 so I can check my gmail/hotmail/aol/and all that shiat? |
| 18:12.57 | stew | mormoloc: xserver-xorg then |
| 18:13.02 | spyroboy | for the command line |
| 18:13.03 | spyroboy | that is. |
| 18:13.10 | bzed | xNinja: have a look into that directory. actualyl I neither have a clue what vmware does :) probably you need to give some params to the vmware installer |
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| 18:13.13 | stew | PupenoR: probably something new in the maintianer scripts |
| 18:13.28 | bzed | spyroboy: mutt |
| 18:13.36 | spyroboy | bzed, that can do remote? |
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| 18:13.39 | dav__ | elo |
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| 18:14.01 | bzed | spyroboy: I think so. I have to admit I haven't used any command line client for emails since ages |
| 18:14.02 | dav__ | is there any GUI interface to configure Xorg choosing wich mode color max numbers etc ... |
| 18:14.19 | bzed | spyroboy: pine can do it, but it sucks, not only because of it's license and tons of bugs |
| 18:14.41 | bzed | spyroboy: apt-cache show mutt :) |
| 18:15.04 | h3sp4wn | spyroboy: fetchmail makes dealing with multiple accounts nice |
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| 18:15.12 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 18:15.14 | roxy_ | spyroboy: gnus (emacs) can do it |
| 18:15.22 | mindframe | debian 4.0 = etch right? |
| 18:15.28 | wwallace_lap | im running sidux how doi set my linksys wireless card? |
| 18:15.28 | bzed | spyroboy: I'd prefer getmail over fetchmail, though ;) |
| 18:15.43 | stew | wwallace_lap: what is sidux? |
| 18:15.48 | bzed | roxy_: I'm waiting for a kernel replacement by emacs |
| 18:16.02 | wwallace_lap | is a distribution based on debian sid |
| 18:16.09 | wwallace_lap | sid ux |
| 18:16.16 | stew | wwallace_lap: find a channel specific to that distro |
| 18:16.23 | wwallace_lap | oh ok |
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| 18:16.31 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 18:17.15 | spyroboy | Mmm |
| 18:17.41 | spyroboy | h3sp4wn, does fetchmail physically download teh emails? |
| 18:17.44 | spyroboy | s/teh/the/ |
| 18:17.57 | spyroboy | I also read something on emacs being able to do that. |
| 18:18.02 | spyroboy | I'll check it when I get home. |
| 18:18.14 | h3sp4wn | spyroboy: it does how I have it setup |
| 18:18.25 | spyroboy | h3sp4wn, but I can set it up otherwise, right? |
| 18:18.54 | spyroboy | I'ma check out getmail also. |
| 18:19.12 | cydork | if i want to save to mail using fetchmail to somewhere else than /var/spool/ what can i use? i know procmail can do that but is there anyother way? |
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| 18:19.30 | wols_ | cydork: you want an imap server :) |
| 18:19.31 | scottjad | anyone know a way to print the entire command history in bash to a file so I can print it out? |
| 18:19.37 | spyroboy | mm.. class over |
| 18:19.38 | spyroboy | gtg |
| 18:19.39 | spyroboy | ttyl |
| 18:20.02 | cydork | wols_: heh |
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| 18:20.17 | stew | cydork: write a script that accepts mail via stdin and call it from the "mda" directive in fetchmail |
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| 18:20.27 | jor | scottjad: it's already a file: ~/.bash_history |
| 18:20.38 | wols_ | by default fetchmail delivers mail to port 25/tcp. what's wrong with that? |
| 18:21.19 | chuckfromchan | hi, when i installed debian, i chose to have the network interface eth0 be configured by dhcp. Is there any way I can switch it to a static ip address thing? |
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| 18:21.42 | wols_ | !tell chuckfromchan about interfaces |
| 18:21.53 | scottjad | jor, thanks |
| 18:22.08 | cydork | wols_: like i said then i have to use procmail to filter out the stuff from /var/spool/ |
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| 18:22.27 | wols_ | cydork: no |
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| 18:22.36 | wols_ | what do you want to do exactly? |
| 18:23.19 | PupenoR | Trying to install libnewt-dev results in this error: libnewt-dev: Depends: slang1-utf8-dev (>= 1.4.5-3) but it is not going to be installed, any ideas why? |
| 18:23.50 | wols_ | PupenoR: apt-cache show policy slang1-utf8-dev |
| 18:23.59 | wols_ | apt-cache policy that is |
| 18:24.01 | cydork | wols_: i want to back up a pop account with fetchmail. but fetchmail will send it to local MTA. which i dont want. if i do that i have to use procmail to filter this stuff out. |
| 18:24.12 | bzed | cydork: use getmail |
| 18:24.37 | bzed | cydork: you can configure it to do *whateveryouwant* with the mails |
| 18:24.53 | cydork | bzed: hmm checking it out. |
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| 18:25.40 | PupenoR | wols_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/37745 |
| 18:26.28 | Rydekull | PupenoR: scary that you used lisp.org's pastebin... |
| 18:26.29 | wols_ | should wotk fine tho. but as a workaround: apt-get install libnewt-dev slang1-utf8-dev |
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| 18:26.57 | PupenoR | Rydekull: I like its annotating function and I haven't seen it in any other pastebin, furthermore, I like Lisp. |
| 18:27.20 | Rydekull | PupenoR: it was the later part I presumed and found scary ;) |
| 18:27.38 | PupenoR | Rydekull: I also like Smalltalk... |
| 18:27.55 | humbolto | nowadays everywhere is mentioned how to get beryl/compiz working with AIGLX/XGL but no information about how to make an nvidia card fit for GL apps is to be found anymore! |
| 18:28.23 | bzed | haha |
| 18:28.33 | bzed | !tell humbolto about nvidia oneliner |
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| 18:30.28 | PaSurf | bzed: Found the answer to clearing cache in terminal buffer. In the .bash_logout you need to add the line "echo -en \\0033c" |
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| 18:31.02 | bzed | PaSurf: /usr/bin/clear_console -q doesn;t do the job? |
| 18:31.10 | stew | or just clear |
| 18:31.48 | PaSurf | well, at least on exit the terminal cache gets cleared. I'm sure there are others, but this seemed easy enough.... |
| 18:31.55 | Vasistha | g'day all. So, I just upgraded sarge->etch ... and it looks like all my kde fonts are messed up! Although it looks like the same fonts are selected ... but they don't look nearly as sharp. Any ideas? |
| 18:32.06 | bzed | PaSurf: on etch that's the default in all non-root .bash_logout s |
| 18:32.25 | Rydekull | !tell miza-x_ about away |
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| 18:34.14 | PaSurf | bzed: Not sure if I mentioned sarge or etch. Might have help me if I gave that info in the begining, but in sarge |
| 18:35.00 | bzed | PaSurf: aah ok, sorry I don't really have any sarge machine anymore. we've migrated everythign to etch |
| 18:35.37 | fireba11 | bzed: already ? |
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| 18:36.57 | PaSurf | bzed: same here, just one sarge machine running. My problem is I forget they are running and try testing on each, but they are not the same (etch & sarge) |
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| 18:40.37 | fireba11 | hm . .still 87 to go |
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| 18:43.07 | PupenoR | To provide a backport of Asterisk 1.2.16 and other etch packages for sarge, what would be a more sane aproach: to also provide backports of dependencies like debhelper and dpkg, or to modify them to work with older debhelpe and dpkg? |
| 18:45.20 | Vasistha | PupenoR: I think the general idea of backports is to make a minimum of upgrade requirements, thus the idea would be to modify asterisk to work with older versions. However, you might check to see if backports of debhelper and dpkg already exist. |
| 18:46.01 | PupenoR | Vasistha: note that by "backports" I refeer to the concept and not to backports.org... I am not using backports.org at the moment. |
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| 18:46.43 | PupenoR | Maybe backporting debhelper wouldn't be so bad, but backporting dpkg gives me the creeps. |
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| 18:47.56 | Vasistha | PupenoR: well ... I mean, if you're doing your own custom backports, why not use the stuff that people have already created at backports.org? If you can just get dpkg and debhelper from backports.org then it makes your job easier, no? |
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| 18:48.38 | PupenoR | Vasistha: yes, you are right. |
| 18:49.46 | PupenoR | Vasistha: debhelper is backported, but dpkg isn't. |
| 18:49.54 | PupenoR | which makes sense. |
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| 18:51.36 | fedx_ | is there a way to get apt-spy to out multiple distributions? i.e. contrib and stable ? it allows only one at a time, and seems to overwrite the previous values |
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| 18:55.00 | Rydekull | err |
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| 18:55.52 | Rydekull | fedx_: You should read up on the words you just used |
| 18:56.04 | Vasistha | PupenoR: I also have to ask, does it make sense to upgrade to etch, since it's now frozen? I'm not sure if we yet have full security support for etch? |
| 18:56.07 | Rydekull | fedx_: like, distributions, contrib and stable. Each of those you mentioned are different things |
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| 18:56.25 | PupenoR | Vasistha: no, I am not upgrading to etch, too new (not even born yet). |
| 18:56.37 | me_here | nono |
| 18:57.27 | Vasistha | PupenoR: I dunno, if I were you, I think I would try to make asterisk work with the older dpkg ... and perhaps use the debhelper from backports.org |
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| 18:57.53 | PupenoR | Vasistha: that seems like the best approach. |
| 18:58.02 | stew | sounds like a pain |
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| 18:58.35 | PupenoR | stew: that too. |
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| 18:58.50 | PupenoR | when the best approach sounds like a pain... |
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| 18:59.04 | stew | PupenoR: do you know that the dependencies cannot be backported? |
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| 18:59.35 | jelly | I'm trying to transfer my old mboxes to a new machine, with a newer version and Maildir setup. I've been given root access and want my mboxes in ~jelly/Mail/ to be seen in a private namespace, but can't seem to get it right. http://paste.debian.net/23129 |
| 18:59.51 | PupenoR | stew: no, I don't, I haven't tried. The fact is that I'll backport many of the dependencies (like libpri, zaptel, etc), but backporting dpkg doesn't sound nice. |
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| 18:59.58 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, configure your MTA to use Maildir |
| 19:00.13 | PupenoR | stew: or rather installed a backported dpkg on production servers sounds like a bad idea. |
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| 19:00.19 | vdv | hi all |
| 19:00.21 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, and configure mutt / courier and fetchmail and all programs you use to Maildir |
| 19:00.24 | vdv | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 19:00.24 | stew | PupenoR: giving it a try sounds nicer than redoing the asterisk packaging |
| 19:00.28 | vdv | what that mean? |
| 19:00.37 | vdv | i |
| 19:00.50 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: I don't want them to use Maildir, I want to use the mboxes as-is |
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| 19:01.11 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, ooops i misread you, sry |
| 19:01.14 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: need help configuring dovecot, really |
| 19:01.14 | vdv | i'm issued comman tar cpfvv myinstall.tar / |
| 19:01.14 | PupenoR | stew: or I could just settle for the older Asterisk that is already backported. |
| 19:01.29 | fireba11 | jelly: why ? maildir is so muhc faster |
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| 19:02.03 | jelly | fireba11: I'm rsyncing them from somewhere else, they're really read-only at present |
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| 19:02.08 | fireba11 | jelly: and dovecot is pretty mcuh straightforward ^^ read their wiki :-D |
| 19:02.31 | Vasistha | PupenoR: you know, I have to say, that sounds like it would be *much* easier! |
| 19:03.18 | PupenoR | Vasistha: yes, but it is older... and some nasty bugs where recently solved in Asterisk. I'll have to weight all the solutions and pick one. |
| 19:03.21 | fireba11 | jelly ah .. you can switch over later anyway :-D |
| 19:03.27 | fireba11 | jelly where exactly you got problems ? |
| 19:03.28 | PupenoR | Is unstable/sid unfrozen, right? |
| 19:03.29 | jelly | fireba11: exactly |
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| 19:03.57 | jelly | fireba11: can't get dovecot to show my mboxes in a private namespace |
| 19:03.58 | sparrw | i have a flash drive that is going bad. i would like to do as thorough of a recovery of the data on it as possible. what tools can i use that will retry on read errors and use something like ask-me-thrice redundant reads? |
| 19:04.39 | fireba11 | jelly so you can log in you just don't see your mboxes ? |
| 19:04.48 | me_here | ask-me-thrice-flash-tools |
| 19:04.54 | jelly | fireba11: yup, only INBOX |
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| 19:05.28 | fireba11 | jelly : contents of inbox show up normally ? |
| 19:05.42 | jelly | fireba11: dunno, it is empty ;-) |
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| 19:05.52 | Vasistha | PupenoR: I'm pretty sure sid/unstable *never* freezes |
| 19:06.01 | stew | it does not |
| 19:06.08 | fireba11 | jelly try that then |
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| 19:06.24 | me_here | green is an attribute |
| 19:06.27 | PupenoR | Vasistha: ok... then the packages of etch (instead of unstable/sid) may be easier to backport. |
| 19:06.35 | fireba11 | jelly maybe access rights or paths to the mailboxes are messed up |
| 19:07.09 | jelly | fireba11: they're all mine, I thought imapd would run as user? |
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| 19:07.37 | Vasistha | PupenoR: probably so, yeah; I think most backports are done on testing packages. |
| 19:07.37 | benjamindees | probably offtopic for debian, but does anyone know of a good database of place names with latitudes and longitudes? |
| 19:08.15 | stew | PupenoR: where the changes to the packaging betweeen 1.2.13 and 1.2.16 that major? |
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| 19:08.25 | Vasistha | benjamindees: I think I once found a database of US zip codes with lat/long ... shall I look for it for you? |
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| 19:08.41 | xNinja | when i do apt-cdrom add i get this error: E: Failed to mount the cdrom. |
| 19:08.48 | PupenoR | stew: I'll tell you in a moment, but I think they were. |
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| 19:09.01 | eject_ck | Hi all. I work as sysadmin and looking for web task manager for issue tracking and logging my own work (as notepad). Can anybody recommend something ? |
| 19:09.01 | Nyle | goddamn zombies |
| 19:09.19 | benjamindees | Vasistha, nah, I need something that's pretty lax about input; I definitely don't have zipcodes |
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| 19:11.59 | bzed | eject_ck: only for your own work? |
| 19:12.11 | bzed | eject_ck: or are you looking for a ticketing system? |
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| 19:14.14 | eject_ck | bzed, tiketicg system |
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| 19:14.22 | eject_ck | ticketing |
| 19:14.25 | jelly | fireba11: It's funny though, I can create a new mbox under my namespace, but it seems a dot is prepended to its name |
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| 19:14.52 | eject_ck | for my company's internal using |
| 19:16.25 | benjamindees | Vasistha, er, sorry I completely misunderstood you; yeah that's a good idea but I really need it to be global; I'll look around some |
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| 19:17.15 | bzed | eject_ck: http://otrs.org/ is a beast. if you're only 5 people in the company I'd jsut use dokuwiki withg the task plugin ;) |
| 19:18.04 | eject_ck | 15 peoples but only I'll use it |
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| 19:18.36 | humbolto | Wasn't it required to have the GLcore module loaded with nvidia? I don't find this mentioned anywhere anymore! |
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| 19:21.19 | ma3x | does anybody have a gmail email? |
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| 19:21.33 | Eclipser | I'm quite sure that someone has |
| 19:21.34 | ma3x | I was wondering what does that little yellow star means? |
| 19:21.36 | ma3x | follow up? |
| 19:21.46 | ma3x | what happens if you mark the message with the yello star? |
| 19:21.55 | ma3x | or what if its a blue empty star? |
| 19:22.00 | RvGaTe | it becomes evil, and it will detonate in 2 months |
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| 19:22.42 | ma3x | what do you mean? |
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| 19:22.56 | RvGaTe | run dude ! its gonna explode ! |
| 19:23.02 | ma3x | come on |
| 19:23.05 | ma3x | answer seriously |
| 19:23.13 | shadok | hi, anybody knows a way to log the password entered during a failed connection attempt to sshd ? |
| 19:23.13 | bzed | ../join #google |
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| 19:24.44 | bzed | shadok: I could imagine that the server will print it in debug mode. but that's nothing for a production system |
| 19:25.06 | ma3x | bzed: noone replying |
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| 19:25.19 | bzed | although it could be that you'll just never see it, I'm not sure how ssh handles that |
| 19:25.21 | shadok | bzed: hmm i'll check that, ty |
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| 19:25.38 | bzed | ma3x: it's mentioned somewhere in their help files |
| 19:25.40 | i_orea_bi | hello to all. i take part in a project in sourceforge. the leader asked my of my unix-name... what is the unix name? is this the username of the cvs repository account? |
| 19:25.45 | bzed | 6 red stars == explosion |
| 19:25.49 | me_here | bla bla bla |
| 19:26.06 | ma3x | what about the yellow ones? |
| 19:26.07 | shadok | i think it would be interesting to harvest such passwords, the thing to be careful wtih is to find a way to disable that for existing users |
| 19:26.20 | bzed | i_orea_bi: ask sourceforge. I think you have to give yourself one while registering at af.net |
| 19:26.22 | me_here | eeeeet my sheeeeeet |
| 19:26.41 | me_here | lol |
| 19:26.50 | Rydekull | ma3x: hey, noticed that this is #debian and not #google ? :) |
| 19:26.56 | bzed | me_here: go play in #ubuntu |
| 19:27.09 | zinx | Rydekull: you just blew my mind! |
| 19:27.19 | me_here | bzed: not now, i feel at home |
| 19:27.19 | Rydekull | zinx: glad I could help :) |
| 19:27.21 | ErikRose | YES. Logcheck filters are just lists of regexps. |
| 19:27.23 | ma3x | yeah it got extreme about ot |
| 19:27.31 | i_orea_bi | bzed: so ita the sf avvount username right? |
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| 19:27.59 | bzed | i_orea_bi: not neccessarily as far as I remember. but that's #debian here, and not #sf.net-problems |
| 19:28.29 | i_orea_bi | bzed: kk thank you anyway man!! |
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| 19:28.49 | bzed | i_orea_bi: check your account settings |
| 19:29.02 | rpc | hm what is wrong with this line? iptables -A INPUT -s 150.254.0.0 -p tcp --dport 1234 -j DROP - i just tested and someone from that ip range can still connect to 1234... |
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| 19:29.56 | bzed | rpc: that's not a range, that's a single IP |
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| 19:30.13 | jende_ | Hi there! Unfortunately I've got a major problem with a HP-nx6325 Notebook and a 2.6.20 kernel. Maybe someone has an idea how to solve my drama. |
| 19:30.16 | rpc | bzed oh it's more like a network block, isn't it? |
| 19:30.31 | bzed | rpc: use -s 150.254.0.0/16 |
| 19:30.32 | rpc | bzed meaning ALL ips in that class |
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| 19:30.52 | rpc | bzed so i'm missing the mask... |
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| 19:30.55 | bzed | rpc: that would block 150.254.0.0.... 150.254.255.255 |
| 19:30.57 | bzed | yes |
| 19:31.06 | rpc | damn i knew it was something trivial :) |
| 19:31.09 | rpc | thanks alot |
| 19:31.12 | bzed | !tell jende_ about ask |
| 19:31.20 | bzed | np rpc |
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| 19:31.45 | jende_ | basically what happens is that once I boot the NB it stops and the Kernel tells me this:Begin waiting for root filesystem und in der darauffolgenden Zeile sat er usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice. |
| 19:31.52 | x3n0 | is it possible to use a data stick as a swap file? |
| 19:32.05 | jende_ | basically what happens is that once I boot the NB it stops and the Kernel tells me this:Begin waiting for root filesystem usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice. |
| 19:32.06 | fireba11 | x3n0: possible but dumb |
| 19:32.09 | Rydekull | jende_: I'd translate that to english if I were you |
| 19:32.24 | rpc | bzed now it works very well :) also, do i need to specify --dport and/or protocol? i would like to completely remove that network block from the box i'm setting up |
| 19:32.31 | bzed | x3n0: yes, but don't do it. usb sticks too often run into data loss during heavy use |
| 19:32.38 | rpc | all ports, all protocols, just gone |
| 19:32.40 | jende_ | Rydekull: damn, you're so right. I just hit the enter key to quick. sry |
| 19:32.57 | x3n0 | well i'm running of of ideas... |
| 19:33.05 | x3n0 | *out |
| 19:33.13 | fireba11 | x3n0: for what ? |
| 19:33.15 | bzed | x3n0: create a file on your hdd as swap? |
| 19:34.00 | x3n0 | with parted...? |
| 19:34.11 | smacnay | is there any gain by using firefox/iceweasel over mozilla/iceape? Both seem similar in mem usage. |
| 19:34.25 | Rydekull | x3n0: I must have missed what your problem is |
| 19:34.50 | x3n0 | any links for howto resize ext3 to make room for swap partition |
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| 19:34.53 | wols_ | x3n0: with dd |
| 19:34.59 | wols_ | and man mkswap |
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| 19:35.34 | wols_ | that is done with parted yes, but as said before: you don't need a swap _partition_ if you don't want |
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| 19:35.57 | x3n0 | i haven't got any swap space at all & system is maxing out... |
| 19:36.04 | bzed | x3n0: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/ |
| 19:37.06 | bzed | jende_: althouygh I understand german quiet well I unfortunately don't know where the problem is... it sounds like a sata/ide controller or drive (module) related issue, though |
| 19:37.16 | x3n0 | just thought partition would be better than file, as file would have a level of interaction with ext3...? |
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| 19:38.50 | jende_ | bzed: well, that's what it seems to be. But the NB works fine with 2.6.18 kernel. I woould love to have the 2.6.20 kernel running as the bcm43xx WLAN Driver should work better than in previous kernel versions, such as the 2.6.18 |
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| 19:39.21 | wols_ | jende_: well, you made your own kernel and you fucked up somehow |
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| 19:39.33 | wols_ | how did you create your kernel? |
| 19:39.40 | chops | x3n0: I generally like swap files; they're a lot more flexible and I've not had any performance/stability problems with them |
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| 19:40.40 | bzed | jende_: did you build the kernel? |
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| 19:41.25 | bzed | jende_: and did you create an initrd for it? |
| 19:41.46 | jende_ | wols_: well, first of all I said make oldconfig then I said make-kpkg --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot --revision mykernel binary arch |
| 19:42.04 | PupenoR | What was that tool to upload packages to a debarchive repository? |
| 19:42.17 | h3sp4wn | jende_: the best bcm43xx version is in the wireless-dev kernel tree (may also be in -mm now as of 2.6.21-rc) |
| 19:42.45 | wols_ | jende_: why a initrd? |
| 19:42.46 | jende_ | h3sp4wn: neither the 2.6.20 nor the 2.6.21-rc2 wont work |
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| 19:43.06 | jende_ | wols_: that how I got told/taught to built a kernel |
| 19:43.07 | h3sp4wn | jende_: using sata ? |
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| 19:43.11 | wols_ | and what sata/ide controller? |
| 19:43.12 | jende_ | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 19:43.27 | wols_ | initrd is not necessary, except for distro kernels |
| 19:43.42 | wols_ | and other specialities like RAID and the like |
| 19:43.54 | h3sp4wn | jende_: you need to either add libata and whatever driver you need to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules or compile them in statically |
| 19:44.21 | jende_ | its an ATI 4379 Serial ATA Controller |
| 19:44.45 | h3sp4wn | jende_: does that use ahci ? Do some research |
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| 19:45.20 | jende_ | h3sp4wn: I'm reseraching quite a while now but couldn't find anything helpful |
| 19:45.51 | h3sp4wn | jende_: linux-ata.org find out what driver it uses |
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| 19:46.28 | h3sp4wn | jende_: (the reason why initramfs-tools doesn't pick up the right drivers is they were moved around before 2.6.19 |
| 19:46.55 | h3sp4wn | jende_: You could also find out with lsmod from the running kernel |
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| 19:48.43 | fedx_ | i have this in my sources.list: deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib unstable .... the unstable part messes it up? what's wrong with it? |
| 19:48.45 | Kobaz | anyone know how to resume a file with zmodem in minicom? |
| 19:49.03 | chops | fedx_: Unstable needs to go on a different line |
| 19:49.15 | chops | fedx_: "main non-free contrib" are subsections of "stable" |
| 19:49.32 | fedx_ | ah got ya |
| 19:49.33 | chops | So you want to add a line: "deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib" |
| 19:49.33 | fedx_ | thanks |
| 19:49.52 | stew | fedx_: no |
| 19:49.58 | stew | fedx_: you don't want to mix stable and unstable |
| 19:50.01 | stew | fedx_: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 19:51.03 | chops | fedx_: Yes, that's true -- what I told you only makes sense if you want to upgrade entirely to unstable |
| 19:51.08 | jende_ | h3sp4wn: okay a lsmod | grep -i ata gives me: sata_sil |
| 19:51.13 | stew | which he clearly doesn't want to do |
| 19:51.38 | Nibbier | i am trying for hours now to boot a debian kernel so that it uses my loop-aes'ed /, but i cant get it running, any hints? |
| 19:51.41 | jende_ | h3sp4wn: libata and scsi_mod as well |
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| 19:52.37 | h3sp4wn | jende_: I would put those 3 into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (to be sage maybe some aren't required but it won't hurt) make sure they are selected in the kernel config (use make menuconfig) |
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| 19:52.51 | boodie | hi |
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| 19:53.22 | jende_ | h3sp4wn: okay I'll give that a go...brb |
| 19:53.33 | h3sp4wn | jende_: device drivers-> Serial ATA (prod) etc |
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| 19:54.20 | karmatronic | jende_: and donf forget the option in the kernel to habilitate an initramfed kernel |
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| 19:55.08 | stew | miza-x: please turn that off in here |
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| 20:00.31 | miza-x | stew: I just found out that Konversation is doing that by default. I'm looking for the option to disable that right now ... |
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| 20:01.08 | stew | miza-x: thanks |
| 20:01.59 | jende_ | h3sp4wn: okay I'm at device drivers -> Serial ATA (prod) but there is as far as I can see no ATI listed. |
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| 20:02.18 | h3sp4wn | jende_: you just said you was using sata_sil |
| 20:02.26 | jende_ | yes |
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| 20:02.36 | jende_ | okay |
| 20:02.43 | jende_ | damn its late here |
| 20:02.50 | h3sp4wn | Silicon Image SATA support |
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| 20:03.21 | Alpounet | hello |
| 20:03.30 | Alpounet | while compiling a kernel |
| 20:03.37 | Alpounet | i get this message : |
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| 20:04.28 | Alpounet | drivers/video/console/fonts.c:71:2: #error No fonts configured. |
| 20:04.31 | jende_ | karmatronic: where do I have to say that habilitate ? |
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| 20:04.58 | Alpounet | anyone has an idea of a way to solve this problem ? |
| 20:05.22 | gentgeen__ | I have an onboard network card (Nvidia) that shows as eth0 in dmsg but when I do ifconfig eth0 it says there is no device |
| 20:05.27 | gentgeen__ | an thoughts/help? |
| 20:05.50 | gentgeen__ | using forcedeth module |
| 20:05.54 | wols_ | gentgeen__: ifconfig -a |
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| 20:06.50 | abrotman | Alpounet: debian sources ? |
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| 20:07.17 | Alpounet | yep |
| 20:07.24 | Alpounet | hum |
| 20:07.27 | Alpounet | kernel sources, exactly |
| 20:07.33 | abrotman | which veresion ? |
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| 20:07.56 | jende_ | karmatronic: Did you mean that I should tick General setup -> Initramfs source files? Kind of confused I am |
| 20:08.13 | Alpounet | abrotman, 2.6.20.1 |
| 20:08.23 | abrotman | ask ##kernel |
| 20:08.29 | Alpounet | okay |
| 20:08.30 | Alpounet | thanks |
| 20:09.27 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.39 | karmatronic | jende_: CONFIG_RAMFS=y |
| 20:09.42 | wols_ | if you compile one of those as modules, then you do |
| 20:09.51 | jende_ | karmatronic: thx |
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| 20:10.11 | karmatronic | jende_: it s not the General setup ->Initramfs source files though |
| 20:10.21 | h3sp4wn | jende_: I for some reason I never bothered investigating get a 5 second pause without using an initramfs |
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| 20:10.30 | karmatronic | jende_: it s somewhereelse and i dont remember where |
| 20:10.32 | jende_ | karmatronic: I did get that. thx a lot |
| 20:10.43 | zambaboo | hi all. |
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| 20:11.03 | zambaboo | those of you in the US, do we have to do anything about the dst thing? |
| 20:11.21 | jmalicki_ | zambaboo: yes. |
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| 20:11.39 | jmalicki_ | zambaboo: get sarge updates, and a new java runtime if you use java. |
| 20:11.43 | zambaboo | jmalicki_, kindly elaborate |
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| 20:11.47 | zambaboo | ooh interesting. |
| 20:11.48 | wols_ | yes. pay 4k$ to MS for a win2k update :) |
| 20:11.54 | zambaboo | wols_, teehee |
| 20:11.59 | jmalicki_ | zambaboo: elect new congressmen who aren't as stupid. |
| 20:12.07 | jmalicki_ | wols_: i'm shocked MS made it so goddamn cheap. |
| 20:12.10 | zambaboo | jmalicki_, wish that was up to us |
| 20:12.17 | zambaboo | jmalicki_, other than java though? |
| 20:12.25 | jmalicki_ | zambaboo: sarge updates should do it if you have sarge. |
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| 20:12.30 | gentgeen__ | wols_, ifconfig -a shows the device |
| 20:12.41 | dkr | restart any daemons relying on /etc/localtime like syslog/apache/mysql |
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| 20:12.51 | jmalicki_ | dkr: yeah, good call |
| 20:12.53 | wols_ | gentgeen__: then configure it |
| 20:12.55 | zambaboo | dkr, thanks |
| 20:12.55 | dkr | since the update changes that file and those daemons only read it at start |
| 20:13.04 | jmalicki_ | to be really safe just reboot |
| 20:13.13 | zambaboo | lovely |
| 20:13.20 | zambaboo | better than 4k i suppose :) |
| 20:13.23 | jmalicki_ | 10 minutes of planned downtime never hurt anyone |
| 20:13.36 | zambaboo | jmalicki_, guess why tmrw is my last day here. :) |
| 20:13.44 | Alpounet | hmm, it was a problem in the config(Device Drivers -> Graphics Support -> Console Display Driver) |
| 20:13.44 | jmalicki_ | hah |
| 20:13.57 | gentgeen__ | but I thought I did... have in my /etc/networks/interfaces |
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| 20:14.20 | gentgeen__ | auto eth0 |
| 20:14.28 | gentgeen__ | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:14.47 | jmalicki_ | zambaboo: then you shouldn't be asking in IRC, and be hiring teams of the best consultants money can buy. |
| 20:14.54 | wols_ | did you run ifup -a? |
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| 20:15.05 | jende_ | its not coming up...Begin: Mounting root file system then it says begin: runniing /scripts/local top and the kernel says done after that it says waiting for root file system and thats it, as the kernel still wont get the sda1 |
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| 20:15.08 | wols_ | and if you did and still no IP: dod you check your logs? |
| 20:15.44 | zambaboo | jmalicki_, that's true. i hate burning bridges though. this place will be a great source of income in the next six months.. $35 an incident, $70 an hour, minimum one hour. |
| 20:15.51 | jmalicki_ | :) |
| 20:15.58 | zambaboo | :) |
| 20:16.05 | zambaboo | call me? one HUNDRED dollars! |
| 20:17.00 | zambaboo | so i guess my resin servers need some work done then.. they are going to love this.. |
| 20:17.10 | wols_ | if there mustnt be any downtime it has to be multiple redundancy: server cluster and multiple locations |
| 20:17.25 | wols_ | plus, you're a) underpaid and b) underqualified for such a network |
| 20:17.29 | gentgeen__ | ifup -a returns error |
| 20:17.38 | jmalicki_ | no downtime is like, REALLY extreme |
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| 20:17.51 | gentgeen__ | eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 20:17.58 | jmalicki_ | you're talking like air traffic control or missile guidance systems |
| 20:18.09 | gentgeen__ | Bind sock to interface: No such device |
| 20:18.23 | wols_ | !tell gentgeen__ about paste |
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| 20:18.55 | gentgeen__ | figured 2 lines was OK, applogies |
| 20:18.56 | wols_ | if it shows uo in kernel message and ifconfig -a. it does exist |
| 20:19.35 | gentgeen__ | LOL that is what I keep thinking.... just can not figure why it will not come up.... with static setting or DHCP ... neither work |
| 20:19.49 | zambaboo | wols_, no dude. this is a small network. i am well paid, and i am well qualified for this position. thing is that my management does not and never will understand what is it that IT does. which is why i am leaving. |
| 20:19.52 | zambaboo | but anyway. |
| 20:20.22 | wols_ | just responded to your "no downtime at all allowed" |
| 20:20.50 | zambaboo | wols_, i was and still am appalled by this requirement. |
| 20:20.53 | Rydekull | zambaboo: Just show them figures on how much downtime governments and bigger companies then yours have and how much they pay for that |
| 20:21.07 | Rydekull | then they'll stop whining |
| 20:21.13 | zambaboo | Rydekull, nono, you see, _they_ can do whatever they want. _we_ have customer service. |
| 20:21.27 | zambaboo | it's a moot point anyway, this place can die in a fire. |
| 20:21.31 | RvGaTe | what do you guys think of this: normally, when people create a backup, they backup the home folder and app configs... at least thats how i do it on linux... but the configs can be interacting with other applications... (for example, the fstab can use filesystems that aren't installed by default).. so when reinstalling the system, those things wont work... What about creating a way to backup the package list... and be able to reinstall the syst |
| 20:21.31 | RvGaTe | em using that package list... making it able for the user to get his system up and running very quick, by installing all the packages that were installed when the backup was created... so the config files will still work etc... does this already exists? or is this new? is this a good idea? |
| 20:21.32 | zambaboo | afaic. |
| 20:21.36 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 20:21.52 | Rydekull | RvGaTe: dont ever do that |
| 20:21.59 | eeyore- | die in a fire? i smell a farker |
| 20:22.12 | RvGaTe | Rydekull, what? type as much in 1 message? |
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| 20:22.48 | eeyore- | RvGaTe: dpkg --get-selections |
| 20:22.55 | jende_ | see you later...need some food now ;) |
| 20:22.58 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:23.07 | HardDisk_WP | can I create a HFS+ volume in Linux? |
| 20:23.16 | jende_ | h3sp4wn: shuld I rebuild the kernel without initrd? |
| 20:23.23 | iwkse | hi all. |
| 20:23.24 | iwkse | how can i kill a process when kill won't do it? :\ |
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| 20:23.32 | chops | iwkse: kill -KILL |
| 20:23.33 | eeyore- | RvGaTe: dpkg --get-selections > my-selections; dpkg --set-selections < my-selections; |
| 20:23.42 | Rydekull | RvGaTe: Yeah, appearently, since your client splits it in two huge sentences that get submitted in the same second |
| 20:23.43 | h3sp4wn | jende_: Upto you (I use one) |
| 20:24.05 | eeyore- | iwkse: reboot |
| 20:24.19 | iwkse | chops: thanks it worked |
| 20:24.19 | eeyore- | iwkse: what's the process doing, though? stuck in I/O? |
| 20:24.22 | iwkse | eeyore-: never reboot |
| 20:24.40 | eeyore- | iwkse: guess you never had a process doing nfs i/o that won't return :-) |
| 20:24.42 | Rydekull | RvGaTe: similiar affect of pasting |
| 20:24.43 | jende_ | h3sp4wn: I guess it would be easier just to buy a USB-Wlan Stick which is fully supported for me |
| 20:24.50 | iwkse | eeyore-: no:) |
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| 20:25.22 | Flimzy | After I've created a debian system using debootstrap, is there a "Debian" way to install grub? Or do I have to create the menu.lst from scratch, etc? |
| 20:25.25 | iwkse | eeyore-: was not my case, i had two instances of claws running |
| 20:25.31 | chops | iwkse: I've seen stuck processes that required a reboot (NFS is one way, busted CDROM drivers are another that I remember from some time back)... it's very rare though |
| 20:25.32 | h3sp4wn | jende_: I don't know whether there is any well supported ones - you can compile them in statically and still use the initd |
| 20:25.34 | iwkse | and kill won't help |
| 20:25.36 | stew | Flimzy: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 20:26.07 | muhoo | something is starting avahi-daemon. it's probably gdm. i've unlinked the avahi-daemon script from all the rc.d directories. and yet, the damned thing keeps starting up! |
| 20:26.09 | Rydekull | Something that is scary is when kill -9 wont work :/ |
| 20:26.10 | jmalicki_ | iwkse: did you kill -9? |
| 20:26.13 | eeyore- | chops: nfs over udp would do it under heavy network traffic, that's why these days we just use tcp |
| 20:26.17 | muhoo | it seems like maybe gdm is starting it. how can i make it STOP? |
| 20:26.18 | jmalicki_ | iwkse: kill without -9 is asking nicely |
| 20:26.18 | Rydekull | jmalicki_: kill -KILL same thing |
| 20:26.21 | iwkse | jmalicki_: kill -KILL |
| 20:26.25 | jmalicki_ | yep |
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| 20:26.30 | jmalicki_ | iwkse: is it stopped? |
| 20:26.40 | iwkse | yes |
| 20:26.40 | jmalicki_ | if its stopped, you need to start it again before you can kill -KILL it |
| 20:26.43 | iwkse | definitely dead |
| 20:26.44 | Flimzy | stew: thanks! |
| 20:26.48 | simon23 | hi, does anyone knows a programm to get videopodcasts to linux? |
| 20:26.50 | jmalicki_ | iwkse: no, i mean stopped. |
| 20:26.55 | chops | eeyore-: Yeah, or use 'intr' mode (why that isn't the default I'll never know) |
| 20:26.57 | iwkse | jmalicki_: not stopped, dead |
| 20:26.58 | Rydekull | !tell simon23 about anyone |
| 20:26.58 | jmalicki_ | iwkse: as in, what happens when you hit ^Z |
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| 20:27.09 | eeyore- | chops: even "intr" won't help if it's hung in udp ... |
| 20:27.11 | RvGaTe | eeyore-, good call, but that will need to be executed togetter with the data backup... i was more talking about something that does it all at once :) |
| 20:27.12 | jmalicki_ | iwkse: or is it being ptraced? |
| 20:27.13 | iwkse | jmalicki_: nothing |
| 20:27.27 | iwkse | jmalicki_: i think it's solved |
| 20:27.29 | jmalicki_ | iwkse: what process state is it in? |
| 20:27.35 | jmalicki_ | umm.. oh |
| 20:27.44 | Rydekull | jmalicki_: since he/she/it killed it :P |
| 20:27.46 | simon23 | hi, can someone please tell me if there is a programm to get videopodcasts to linux? |
| 20:27.56 | jmalicki_ | chops: intr mode isn't default because it violates POSIX. |
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| 20:28.05 | iwkse | i'm bot a it/bot:) |
| 20:28.05 | jende_ | cu later folks |
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| 20:28.11 | jmalicki_ | chops: C programs are supposed to be able to never get short writes when writing to files. |
| 20:28.23 | jmalicki_ | (that's files in particular, not devices or sockets etc) |
| 20:28.23 | jende_ | and thanks for your help, even if i hadnt had any success |
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| 20:28.28 | simon23 | i havent found such a programm jet. |
| 20:28.56 | jmalicki_ | chops: so programs that are standards compliant can crash and burn if an NFS interrupt happens |
| 20:29.08 | chops | jmalicki_: Lots about Debian violates POSIX (bash and gcc do by default that I recall)... is that really the reason? |
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| 20:29.22 | jmalicki_ | chops: this is a more severe violation |
| 20:29.27 | jmalicki_ | chops: it is actually the reason. |
| 20:29.30 | simon23 | is there a programm to get videopodcasts to linux ? (I havent found one) |
| 20:29.42 | jmalicki_ | chops: its not a corner case, any program that does disk writes depends on it |
| 20:29.46 | chops | jmalicki_: I guess it makes some sense that people still using NFS would tend to prefer old-school Unix semantics... to me it seems crazy, though. I don't use NFS, so I guess my opinion is not that valuable :-). |
| 20:29.51 | jmalicki_ | of course, interrupting your program is certainly better than a reboot IMO |
| 20:30.00 | HardDisk_WP | can I create a HFS+ volume in Linux? |
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| 20:30.25 | chops | jmalicki_: Wait -- my understanding was that intr mode just meant that the program could be killed during an incomplete I/O operation. Is there a situation where intr will give a program a partial read/write but let it continue? |
| 20:30.46 | jmalicki_ | chops: intr will give you a partial read/write and then the file will have an IO error |
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| 20:30.58 | eeyore- | RvGaTe: well, considering i just back up my non-replaceable stuff and the rest i'll just reinstall later :) |
| 20:31.05 | chops | jmalicki_: I thought that was what "soft" did. |
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| 20:31.17 | jmalicki_ | chops: hmm, i could be confusing them... let me look again... |
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| 20:32.05 | jmalicki_ | chops: umm they both sort of do in different ways :) |
| 20:32.23 | jmalicki_ | chops: you're right... intr will just allow the program to be killed. |
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| 20:32.53 | jmalicki_ | chops: yep... i was totally thinking soft |
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| 20:33.12 | jmalicki_ | chops: actually though, file operations can't get EINTR |
| 20:33.26 | jmalicki_ | chops: it is against POSIX to return EINTR to I/O on a *file*. |
| 20:33.27 | pyrohotdog | Anyone know any good recording/editing software for Debian/Ubuntu? Audacity looks rather basic, but I may not have explored it enough. |
| 20:33.38 | chops | jmalicki_: Ha! Victory is mine! :-) |
| 20:33.42 | eeyore- | i'd say POSIX is broken in that regard |
| 20:33.55 | jmalicki_ | eeyore-: i'd agree... but it has a large installed base. |
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| 20:34.10 | eeyore- | like Windows ... |
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| 20:34.36 | jmalicki_ | eeyore-: windows has a much better I/O subsystem than UNIX, at least at the user API level. |
| 20:34.42 | jmalicki_ | eeyore-: because of crap like this. |
| 20:34.48 | eeyore- | well, *most* of the time this does not happen. but, from time to time nfs servers do go down ... |
| 20:34.55 | jmalicki_ | eeyore-: it's more than NFS |
| 20:34.56 | eeyore- | asg: good luck! |
| 20:35.10 | jmalicki_ | eeyore-: i would like to be able to select() on a file and be told when data is faulted in |
| 20:35.15 | jmalicki_ | so its just like any other event |
| 20:35.21 | chops | jmalicki_: It seems like Debian is generally pretty sensible about overriding POSIX when POSIX is silly... but I guess it generally just inherits the POSIX-ignoring behavior from GNU in all the cases I can think of. |
| 20:35.24 | asg | eeyore-: sadly, luck will not be with us this time :) |
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| 20:35.26 | jmalicki_ | so I can do other crap when waiting for the disk |
| 20:35.28 | HardDisk_WP | can I create a HFS+ volume in Linux? |
| 20:35.29 | eeyore- | asg: i think i patched all our RHEL3/4/Sol8/10 machines ... and rebooted them all without too many problems |
| 20:35.36 | jmalicki_ | chops: that POSIX stuff is at the shell though, which is different. |
| 20:35.56 | asg | eeyore-: yeah, the Debian/Solaris/OpenBSD/CentOS boxes are fine here. |
| 20:36.01 | karmatronic | anyone understands why the following doesnt stream my video card ? |
| 20:36.04 | jmalicki_ | chops: violating POSIX at the man(1) level is quite different than at the man(2) level, which pretty much HAS to be compliant |
| 20:36.08 | karmatronic | http://paste.debian.net/23143 |
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| 20:36.16 | karmatronic | it used to work ... |
| 20:36.19 | karmatronic | well.. |
| 20:36.22 | jmalicki_ | chops: the kernel pretty much keeps POSIX in 99.9999999% of cases |
| 20:36.28 | jmalicki_ | there is a very short list of exceptions |
| 20:37.02 | eeyore- | asg: centos? mmmm .. erm ... |
| 20:37.09 | chops | jmalicki_: But is 'intr' mode actually against POSIX? I know 'soft' is, and I can easily see why that shouldn't be the default... |
| 20:37.21 | jmalicki_ | chops: yes, intr mode is also against POSIX |
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| 20:37.26 | asg | eeyore-: minimal setup to run Debian OpenVZ instances |
| 20:37.36 | jmalicki_ | chops: see www.unix.org (not POSIX, but a superset) for more details |
| 20:37.45 | eeyore- | so when is MentOS coming out? |
| 20:37.49 | jmalicki_ | (POSIX isn't freely available) |
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| 20:37.58 | asg | eeyore-: Freshmaker Inside |
| 20:38.13 | karsten | jmalicki_: Is that still the case? |
| 20:38.33 | jmalicki_ | karsten: Last time I checked was UNIX03... so unless it's changed very recently... |
| 20:38.38 | jmalicki_ | or do you mean POSIX not being free? |
| 20:38.49 | jmalicki_ | POSIX has been made irrelevent by the SuS anyway |
| 20:39.09 | jmalicki_ | i'm just more used to saying POSIX than SuS |
| 20:39.21 | eeyore- | single-unix standard? |
| 20:39.23 | jmalicki_ | yes |
| 20:39.26 | jmalicki_ | err |
| 20:39.29 | jmalicki_ | specification? |
| 20:39.30 | dZen|n| | karsten: you from dk ? |
| 20:39.44 | eeyore- | shouldn't there be a law against having similar acronyms in unrelated OS? |
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| 20:39.56 | jmalicki_ | "the single unix specification, version 3" |
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| 20:40.30 | jmalicki_ | ooh |
| 20:40.38 | jmalicki_ | apparently the SUSv3 and POSIX have merged |
| 20:40.46 | jmalicki_ | so SUS is POSIX and vice versa |
| 20:40.49 | jmalicki_ | which is good |
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| 20:42.26 | karsten | dZen|n|: Not recently. |
| 20:42.45 | dZen|n| | karsten: okey |
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| 20:43.54 | wwallace_lap | i need 4 words that end with the sound "x" please? |
| 20:44.18 | asg | fox |
| 20:44.20 | asg | knox |
| 20:44.21 | asg | pox |
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| 20:44.25 | asg | rox \m/ |
| 20:44.25 | simonrvn | Kage[Work]: bon apetit my friend |
| 20:44.28 | karsten | wwallace_lap: You can grep your local dictionaries. '(x|ks|qs|cs)$' should match |
| 20:44.30 | simonrvn | woops wrong nick |
| 20:44.35 | gentgeen__ | well, I don't know why... but the card configured as eth1 --- even though dmsg showed it as eth0 |
| 20:44.35 | simonrvn | karsten: ^^ |
| 20:44.48 | simonrvn | Kage[Work]: well you too, if you go eat :) |
| 20:44.51 | wwallace_lap | karsten: thanks |
| 20:44.54 | gentgeen__ | wols_, thanks for the help |
| 20:45.05 | karsten | simonrvn: Merci, Danke, Gracias, etc. |
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| 20:48.12 | junix|work | i ahve no sound anymore, and i just did this weekends updates... |
| 20:48.18 | junix|work | what's going on |
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| 20:48.49 | mikes_ | junix|work, are you using debian sid??? |
| 20:48.55 | junix|work | yes |
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| 20:49.51 | mikes_ | junix|work, i had the same problem yesterday |
| 20:50.05 | Rydekull | junix|work: you shouldnt unless you know how to deal with your system :) |
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| 20:50.10 | mikes_ | junix|work, alsaconf didn't work |
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| 20:50.30 | junix|work | Rydekull: thanks |
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| 20:51.31 | wols_ | gentgeen__: probably udev |
| 20:51.32 | pyrohotdog | Does anyone know any good software for recording through a USB interface? |
| 20:51.42 | Rydekull | !tell junix|work about alsa-checklist |
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| 20:53.45 | avtobiff | pyrohotdog, audacity |
| 20:53.57 | avtobiff | pyrohotdog, you mean sound right? |
| 20:53.58 | eeyore- | it's nearly time to go home for me :-) |
| 20:54.13 | eeyore- | pyrohotdog: like, usb snooping? |
| 20:54.13 | Rydekull | eeyore-: hope you have a flashlight |
| 20:54.30 | pyrohotdog | More along the lines of Garageband or Protools |
| 20:54.48 | eeyore- | pyrohotdog: what are those? |
| 20:54.53 | eeyore- | pyrohotdog: audio recording? |
| 20:55.12 | pyrohotdog | Yes, guitar tracks, vocals, drums.... |
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| 20:55.36 | eeyore- | pyrohotdog: http://linux-sound.org/hdr.html |
| 20:56.52 | pyrohotdog | Thank you. :) |
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| 20:57.36 | Techdeck | * */1 * * * /usr/local/scripts/fw |
| 20:57.43 | Techdeck | why does that run every minute and not every hour? |
| 20:57.53 | stew | Techdeck: becuase the first * means every minute |
| 20:58.00 | Techdeck | i used the second |
| 20:58.07 | asg | enouf: danke |
| 20:58.19 | stew | Techdeck: replace the first * with which minute after each hour you want it to run (right now it says every minute after every hour) |
| 20:58.30 | Techdeck | ahh |
| 20:58.35 | Techdeck | thanks |
| 20:58.43 | Techdeck | 01 */1 * * * /usr/local/scripts/fw |
| 20:58.44 | Techdeck | right? |
| 20:58.48 | Rydekull | right |
| 20:58.52 | Techdeck | thanks |
| 20:59.16 | stew | Techdeck: that would mean 00:01, 01:01, 02:01.... and that is the same as just "1 * * * * /usr/local/scripts/fw" |
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| 21:01.14 | eurisko | hi everyone, i just can't boot into single user with the grub, isn't only necessary to append single to the line? |
| 21:02.30 | enouf | eurisko: does telinit 1 enable you to drop to runlevel1? |
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| 21:02.45 | eurisko | what's is that= telinit? |
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| 21:03.53 | eurisko | i boot into single because i want to recover a password of teh other desktop, and a it ask's for it for maintenance or to type ctrl-d |
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| 21:04.03 | enouf | eurisko: it's a symlink to init .. /msg dpkg runlevel , /msg dpkg reference, /msg dpkg sysv-rc |
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| 21:04.11 | asg | enouf: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 21:04.14 | asg | bah |
| 21:04.14 | eurisko | as i type ctrl -d i pass into runlevel 2 i guess |
| 21:04.22 | asg | eurisko: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 21:04.33 | eeyore- | that'll be fun with jobs taking longer than a minute to complete :) |
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| 21:04.56 | eurisko | if i put the init=/bin/sh i got to run it directly? |
| 21:05.00 | FuzzplugJones | hello, I have a brand new debian sarge box with an emu10k1 sound card in it, and dmesg seems to be identifying it but alsamixer won't see it... just says "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" what am I doing wrong |
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| 21:05.19 | asg | eurisko: it will bypass the standard init routines that prompt you |
| 21:05.24 | dummy | hey all |
| 21:05.26 | Rydekull | eurisko: follow those instructions :) |
| 21:05.32 | eeyore- | eurisko: put "1" at the end of grub kernel line |
| 21:05.34 | eurisko | /msg dpkg runlevel |
| 21:05.52 | enouf | !tell eurisko about ifrp |
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| 21:06.10 | eurisko | it's already working! |
| 21:06.18 | eurisko | uff thanks guys :) |
| 21:07.09 | pyrohotdog | Where can I get thelibsoundtouchlc2 library...? |
| 21:07.30 | eurisko | i guess the single.. just worked when i used lilo |
| 21:07.47 | stew | FuzzplugJones: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 21:07.51 | simonrvn | no, single works with grub too |
| 21:08.21 | simonrvn | it's passed to the kernel, the bootloader just passes it off to it |
| 21:08.35 | eurisko | simonrvn but it stills asks for password, or puts me again in runlevel 2 |
| 21:08.35 | sparrw | what other WMs can/do use KDE's menu files? |
| 21:08.57 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 21:09.14 | eeyore- | eurisko: of course. runlevel 1 isn't a "hacking tool" |
| 21:09.22 | simonrvn | because it's in init 1 or S (basically the same) |
| 21:09.26 | eeyore- | eurisko: were you equating runlevel 1 with "no root password"? |
| 21:09.39 | simonrvn | sparrw: kde |
| 21:09.43 | stew | sparrw: you mean stuff in /usr/share/menu ? |
| 21:09.43 | eurisko | isn't runlevel1 == no root password asked? |
| 21:09.50 | simonrvn | no |
| 21:09.53 | eeyore- | eurisko: no |
| 21:09.53 | enouf | no |
| 21:09.55 | FuzzplugJones | stew i'm sorry i don't follow, is that an IRC thing |
| 21:09.56 | eurisko | as i read from dpkg runlevel is single user |
| 21:09.57 | FuzzplugJones | ? |
| 21:09.57 | eurisko | ahh |
| 21:09.58 | psycose | hi, i would like to create a debian source package, but it's hard to find doc ... any tips ? |
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| 21:10.10 | simonrvn | yes... single user, i.e. root |
| 21:10.12 | sparrw | stew: no, i mean the stuff that kde's menu generator produces, in /var/share/kde/foo/bar/idontknow |
| 21:10.17 | stew | FuzzplugJones: yes, type that into your irc client, and the bot named "dpkg" will give you instructions |
| 21:10.23 | simonrvn | how do you get "no password" from that? |
| 21:10.26 | sparrw | stew: the not-debian-specific menus |
| 21:10.50 | eurisko | well i didn't |
| 21:10.52 | stew | sparrw: dunno then, but probably only kde's window manager |
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| 21:11.57 | bzed | what's your favourite way to create/edit manpages? editing nroff stuf in vi is no fun |
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| 21:12.07 | simonrvn | vim |
| 21:12.22 | bzed | s/vi/vim/ ;) |
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| 21:12.42 | simonrvn | nroff is just a PITA |
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| 21:12.50 | OpenSourceStudio | Hi, I've compiled a program for a debian-clone. How do I find out wich files to copy so I can use it on another PC with a debian-clone? |
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| 21:14.17 | enouf | bzed: have you looked at dwww? |
| 21:14.35 | simonrvn | s/he's talking about *editing* not viewing |
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| 21:15.26 | bzed | something like lyx is for latex (although I really prefer a normal editor for latex) |
| 21:15.28 | enouf | once it's converted, one can perhaps edit more easily .. no? |
| 21:15.42 | bzed | err, i want to create a manpage :P |
| 21:16.05 | jintxo | guys if I get this (http://rafb.net/p/9GrurU89.html) coming in through UDP 514 to a syslog server, do you know how I can get BOTH messages to go to a specific file? I got the first part going where I want but not tha part after <46> |
| 21:16.09 | eeyore- | bzed: dedicated :-) |
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| 21:16.37 | smacnay | seems iceape-browser uses less resource than iceweasel |
| 21:16.57 | bzed | hmm.. I could use docbook |
| 21:17.22 | enouf | another hideous format |
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| 21:17.39 | eeyore- | bzed: HTML? |
| 21:17.47 | enouf | When possible, dwww converts the documentation to HTML. |
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| 21:18.09 | enouf | not that it's the be all, end all |
| 21:18.30 | simonrvn | sgml -> nroff hehhe |
| 21:18.47 | stew | bzed: there is pod2man too |
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| 21:20.18 | bzed | stew: yeah, I know that, but then I somehow prefer docbook over pod ;) |
| 21:20.26 | simonrvn | doesn't lyx do latex to nroff conversion? |
| 21:22.47 | simonrvn | OpenSourceStudio: you'll need to be more specific |
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| 21:24.35 | teledyn | anyone know of a solution to the "iceweasel is already running" bug? |
| 21:25.15 | jahshua | kill your iceweasel processes. |
| 21:26.00 | OpenSourceStudio | simonrvn: I've compiled ardourvst 2 for the 64studio distro and would like to use it on a demudi based PC. It is compiled for the right processor. |
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| 21:26.19 | erwin | http://www.drogendealer.de/cgi-bin/dd.cgi?z8nBe44s |
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| 21:29.27 | ribasushi | hi |
| 21:29.34 | teledyn | OpenSourceStudio: they are killed. i also applied the "patch" which didn't help |
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| 21:30.03 | teledyn | the patch from here that is: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411479 |
| 21:30.17 | PaSurf | how does one format an attached scsi drive? Have ran fdisk says system is mounted. I just need to kill all the info on the disk.... |
| 21:30.37 | ribasushi | I am looking for "success stories" on using small MTAs on a laptop. I need something that can hold mail for later and send it to a preconfigure SMTP server when it is available. No smtp receiving capabailities are needed (never listens) |
| 21:30.40 | teledyn | PaSurf: wipe the disk? |
| 21:30.43 | ribasushi | should be also as lean as possible |
| 21:30.48 | PaSurf | yes |
| 21:30.55 | PaSurf | rm -r ? |
| 21:31.11 | asg | ribasushi: use shred(1) |
| 21:31.12 | teledyn | PaSurf: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda do that 5 times if you really want to be safe |
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| 21:31.48 | ribasushi | asg: talking to me? |
| 21:31.52 | asg | ribasushi: yes |
| 21:31.52 | PaSurf | great.. thanks .... |
| 21:32.03 | asg | ribasushi: er, no |
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| 21:32.14 | asg | PaSurf: see shred(1) |
| 21:32.30 | asg | ribasushi: my mistake |
| 21:32.42 | ribasushi | asg: nevermind |
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| 21:34.26 | n3kl | Hey. Anyone know of a way to get a quick terminal output on a terminal of the protocols, perhaps ips, that are traversing your network? Like an ntop for the command line? |
| 21:34.52 | ribasushi | n3kl: iftop |
| 21:35.40 | n3kl | ribasushi: cool, thanks |
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| 21:35.48 | ribasushi | n3kl: iptraf was a killer once upon a time but nobody maintains it anymore and it does not support half of the interface types found in recent systems |
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| 21:36.27 | annkas | my apt-key command is missing, how do I install it? |
| 21:37.08 | annkas | apt-key: command not found |
| 21:37.23 | stew | annkas: what version of "apt" do you have installed? |
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| 21:37.30 | stew | annkas: are you running apt-key as root? |
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| 21:38.30 | annkas | stew: how do I find out? apt --version |
| 21:38.40 | annkas | stew: I am root |
| 21:39.13 | stew | annkas: "dpkg -l apt" |
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| 21:40.09 | annkas | stew: apt -version 0.5.28.6 |
| 21:40.25 | stew | annkas: apt-key wasn't added until 0.6.xx.x |
| 21:40.42 | annkas | stew: how do I upgrade apt? |
| 21:40.58 | stew | annkas: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:41.04 | stew | annkas: (assuming you are running stable) |
| 21:41.10 | annkas | sarge |
| 21:41.13 | stew | right |
| 21:41.24 | stew | annkas: a backport of the newer apt exists on bpo: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:41.49 | solemnwarning | Does upgrading to a newer debian release only take updating sources.list and running apt-get update+dist-upgrade? |
| 21:41.58 | annkas | stew: do you want me to put that in repository? |
| 21:42.06 | stew | annkas: what? |
| 21:42.15 | Rydekull | solemnwarning: I'd suggest reading the release notes/manual for the release you want to update too |
| 21:42.20 | Rydekull | solemnwarning: it says there |
| 21:42.26 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 21:42.35 | stew | solemnwarning: it depends on which release to which release. aptitude is recommended over apt-get |
| 21:42.51 | Rydekull | stew: wouldnt that depend on the release aswell ;) |
| 21:43.09 | annkas | stew: I'm a bit confused. This doesn't look like an URL bpo: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:43.17 | stew | dpkg: tell annkas about bpo |
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| 21:44.08 | stew | vint-cerft: please turn that off in here |
| 21:44.13 | Rydekull | !tell vint-cerft about away |
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| 21:44.22 | Rydekull | I think i've done that earlier today to that guy |
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| 21:44.50 | Rydekull | yup |
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| 21:44.57 | annkas | stew: sorry, silly question.. |
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| 21:45.33 | Rydekull | 13:51:11 9 hours ago |
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| 21:53.38 | Rydekull | stew: hrm, something struck me that I reflected upon earlier when I was proofreading the release notes for the swedish translation of etch |
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| 21:54.01 | stew | Rydekull: hopefully whetever struck you was at least padded |
| 21:54.05 | mne | hi, I'm having a problem with cacti installation. I have a vhost (admin.blah.blah) and i want cacti to be accessible through admin.blah.blah/cacti. I configured an alias in the vhost config file, so that /cacti points to /usr/share/cacti/site. unfortunately, cacti doesn't work nicely. (ie. logging out doesn't work, cacti always returns tu admin.blah.blah instead of admin.blah.blah/cacti/ and so on). any hints ? |
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| 21:54.49 | Rydekull | stew: in the release notes they say that you should update aptitude(and perl) first from sarge, they also said that you should check that / and /usr is mounted, but isnt it somewhat vital that /tmp is mounted rw aswell? Seeing as perl is a somewhat critical part |
| 21:54.52 | Phil2 | guys, I'm having a problem with creating a swap file |
| 21:55.03 | Phil2 | I get: swapon: /swapfile1: Operation not permitted |
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| 21:57.17 | freetos | security updates for etch will be after it's official release? |
| 21:57.17 | Rydekull | stew: (and the perl-packages, as far as ive seen uses /tmp alot) |
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| 21:57.18 | stew | Rydekull: well i think that is is common to have / and/or /usr mounted ro in a normally functioning setup, however having /tmp mounted ro is not a working configuration |
| 21:57.18 | peppe | Phil2: hu? which user are you running? what says file /swapfile1 ? |
| 21:57.18 | Rydekull | stew: err, well, I meant noexec is not a rare thing, right? mount -o remount,rw /tmp will remove the noexec temporarily |
| 21:57.18 | Phil2 | I am root and /swapfile1 is just a file I created with dd and made swap using mkswap /swapfile1 |
| 21:57.18 | Rydekull | stew: since, to be honest, I've seen the /tmp been noexec more then i've seen ro on / and /usr |
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| 21:57.43 | annkas | I am not able to install scribus-ng. I follow the howto on scribus.net, but it doesn't show up in apt-cache show scribus-ng |
| 21:57.58 | stew | Rydekull: would a noexec tmp be a problem for an upgrade to etch? |
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| 21:58.48 | peppe | Phil2: you can't create a swap using mkswap only: you must create the swapfile using dd, then use mkswap on it |
| 21:58.57 | Rydekull | stew: it would atleast spew out lots of errors/warnings, remount /tmp as noexec next time you do a dist-upgrade. What exact results it'd have on the system on a critical dist-upgrade I havnt tried yet, For somewhat obvious reason, dont wanna wreck my own systems :) |
| 21:59.08 | Phil2 | o.0 |
| 21:59.09 | Phil2 | <Phil2> I am root and /swapfile1 is just a file I created with dd and made swap using mkswap /swapfile1 |
| 21:59.32 | Phil2 | I said I used dd to create it |
| 21:59.35 | Rydekull | stew: plus, i've told apt to remount /tmp without noexec during upgrades and mount it back afterwards just to avoid such |
| 21:59.43 | peppe | Phil2: oh sorry, I didn't get it |
| 21:59.47 | peppe | too much alcool |
| 21:59.50 | peppe | :-P |
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| 22:00.07 | Phil2 | lol |
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| 22:03.25 | stew | abrotman: blizzard! |
| 22:03.32 | abrotman | eh ? |
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| 22:03.36 | abrotman | when where? |
| 22:03.40 | stew | abrotman: here now |
| 22:03.40 | abrotman | are you still in VT ? |
| 22:03.52 | stew | abrotman: no, at home |
| 22:04.08 | stew | Rydekull: perhaps write http://lists.debian.org/debian-release |
| 22:04.27 | Nyle | omygod I figured out how to do multiple time sigs in hydrogen even better! |
| 22:04.29 | Nyle | shweet |
| 22:04.40 | abrotman | just now ? |
| 22:04.43 | Rydekull | stew: so you think it might be a valid point? Then i'll write a mail tomorrow morning, I was heading to bed just now :) |
| 22:04.56 | Nyle | yeh I actually wrote like 16 bars for the song |
| 22:04.56 | assasukasse | im installing nfs share, it wants to install portmap as well, should i put portmap to listen on all ip or just on localhost |
| 22:05.09 | abrotman | stew: we got nothing .. to warm here anyways i think |
| 22:05.17 | abrotman | too warm |
| 22:05.20 | Nyle | all drums go right along with riffing, instead of just generic double bass crap |
| 22:05.24 | abrotman | oh .. it's < 40F |
| 22:05.35 | Nyle | its been warm here past few days |
| 22:05.42 | Nyle | hows the weather in ny |
| 22:06.00 | stew | Nyle: blizzard, so excellent |
| 22:06.03 | Nyle | ooh |
| 22:06.10 | Nyle | i haven't been in a blizzard ever |
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| 22:06.15 | Nyle | would be nice to see one time |
| 22:06.33 | abrotman | from the inside |
| 22:06.38 | stew | Rydekull: sounds reasonable enough to me that it can't hurt brining it up to the release team |
| 22:07.01 | Rydekull | stew: great, my ponderings might not be of avail ;) |
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| 22:12.39 | stew | ok that was just a squall |
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| 22:16.19 | kiba | hello |
| 22:16.37 | kiba | mouse just become buggy about 1-2 hours ago |
| 22:17.00 | kiba | it would not click until I unplug and plug it, and then become buggy over time |
| 22:17.07 | kiba | and then I have to do it all over again |
| 22:17.28 | kiba | wonder why this is |
| 22:18.00 | g333k_work | hi, is there a way to set up lvm support in my system without losing my data? I mean if I want to have /usr inside lvm what is going to happen with the data inside it? |
| 22:18.35 | abrotman | it will die |
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| 22:18.42 | abrotman | stew: snow squall! |
| 22:19.11 | kiba | it can't be water? |
| 22:19.12 | g333k_work | abrotman, so LVM is designed to be installed in new systems? |
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| 22:20.22 | moshii | g333k_work: you could move /usr to lvm if you're careful |
| 22:20.54 | moshii | g333k_work: is the system remote? ... you really need single user mode access to make it work |
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| 22:22.08 | moshii | g333k_work: and you really want a scratch disk handy ... |
| 22:22.46 | g333k_work | moshii, lets describe the scenario: I have a 40G hard disk, with / and swap, swap is 1G size, now I want to have /home, and /usr inside LVM, first of all I have to have enough free space to set up LVM, lets say I free 20G, then I create my vg and my pv's, then how do I move /usr inside the lvm? |
| 22:23.06 | g333k_work | moshii, nop, the system is not remote luckily |
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| 22:23.21 | moshii | g333k_work: falldown to single user mode, umount /usr and move it |
| 22:23.36 | moshii | g333k_work: then fix your fstab etc |
| 22:24.07 | moshii | g333k_work: actually, not umount, remount ro, just make sure no one goes updating it |
| 22:24.15 | stew | or just copy /usr to a new partition from multi-user mode and fix fstab |
| 22:24.34 | stew | remounting ro would make sure no one goes updating it |
| 22:24.37 | g333k_work | moshii, go to single mode, umount /usr, create usr lv, then mount usr lv and finally move data from /usr to usr lv? |
| 22:24.54 | moshii | stew: yeah, the problem is that people could be working inside it... I've messed up there before hehe |
| 22:25.19 | stew | moshii: if its ro, then nobody is changing files |
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| 22:25.30 | moshii | g333k_work: create your lvm setup first and make sure it works before you go messing around |
| 22:26.03 | moshii | stew: ah, but if you go down to init 1 and do the /usr changes you can go back into mu mode without rebooting :) |
| 22:26.24 | stew | or you can just never leave multi-user, and not reboot |
| 22:26.33 | g333k_work | moshii, isnt a logical volume added to fstab when it is created? |
| 22:26.40 | stew | g333k_work: no |
| 22:27.01 | g333k_work | moshii, yep I use #telinit 1 |
| 22:27.03 | moshii | stew: what about processess working in /usr .. I converted a dedicated box to encrypted filesystems and hit exactly that problem |
| 22:27.20 | stew | moshii: what problem? |
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| 22:28.12 | moshii | stew: people writing stuff to /usr/local and loosing it ;) |
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| 22:28.31 | stew | moshii: they can't write to /usr/local, becuase its mounted readonly |
| 22:30.10 | moshii | stew: not that simple, anyhoo /var is the worse to move on a running system |
| 22:30.22 | g333k_work | I'd prefer to umount it, that way you avid these problems |
| 22:30.26 | g333k_work | avoid* |
| 22:30.45 | rvsjoen | when I download anything from apache (from the directory index) It just servers me empty files or the name if the file in the browser, its not a permission issue as i've tried chmodding to 777, are there any neats tricks that I should know about ? |
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| 22:31.15 | n3kl | all of a sudden, all of my boxes are getting package cannot be authenticated message. How can I resolve this? |
| 22:31.31 | stew | g333k_work: you'll have to have it mounted to copy files off it |
| 22:31.52 | stew | n3kl: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 22:31.53 | moshii | g333k_work: I prefer to do filesystem pokery without stuff running, you could do it in a full sytem as stew says |
| 22:31.59 | g333k_work | stew, reasonable |
| 22:33.05 | moshii | g333k_work: basically; create lvm setup, lock people out of changing /usr, copy /usr to lvm setup, mount lvm /usr to /usr |
| 22:33.19 | wols_ | I want to mount my home directory from one linux box to the other. what's a good place to mount it? |
| 22:33.23 | mhammerton | debian-installer unauthorized=true |
| 22:33.38 | n3kl | stew: thanks |
| 22:34.35 | moshii | wols_: to be used as /home or just for access.. /media seems like an ok place to mount stuff thesedays |
| 22:34.52 | g333k_work | wols_, /mnt/new_home ? |
| 22:34.53 | wols_ | access |
| 22:35.20 | wols_ | cause it's a notebook so it can't be as new home directory |
| 22:35.24 | g333k_work | moshii, anywhere inside /mnt is the right directory I think |
| 22:36.02 | moshii | g333k_work: I reserve /mnt for one off mounts.. like mounting an nfs that I'm only using once |
| 22:36.10 | wols_ | since I'm the only user I guess this works here. tho it's not general |
| 22:36.20 | g333k_work | moshii, correct |
| 22:36.56 | wols_ | my main network drive is /net as usual, but I can't decide for ~ |
| 22:37.05 | moshii | g333k_work: but the whole setup seems messy now.. /media gets random mountpoints attached to it all the time, like plugging in a usb device .. so I just use it for anything like that |
| 22:37.52 | moshii | wols_: I have /home then /home_<machine> for other ones |
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| 22:38.40 | g333k_work | good idea |
| 22:38.44 | wols_ | that could be a solution |
| 22:39.50 | moshii | still need to get single sign-on working :/ |
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| 22:40.23 | wols_ | using? nfs or samba? |
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| 22:40.54 | moshii | I use nfs.. I wanted to get nis running over the top but it wasn't working out |
| 22:41.16 | wols_ | since there is windows too, I use samba |
| 22:42.04 | moshii | all works the same once mounted |
| 22:42.19 | moshii | never use du on a samba fs though ... :P |
| 22:42.32 | paddor | i'm about to compile a amd64-kernel out of my deb i386-system. i set the --arch and --cross-compile options for make-kpkg, but it askes me nearly every config-option for the kernel again, although i configured it! why? |
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| 22:43.12 | moshii | paddor: why are you creating an amd64 kernel? |
| 22:43.39 | paddor | moshii: i have a amd64 processor, but still running 32bit. i want to change now. |
| 22:43.58 | moshii | paddor: install the amd64 port of debian |
| 22:44.14 | moshii | paddor: not much point having a 64bit kernel and a 32bit userland |
| 22:44.22 | paddor | i did, but without the kernel, because i want to use my own. |
| 22:45.03 | moshii | paddor: why not build it once you're in an amd64 system. form experience cross compiling is painful |
| 22:45.11 | moshii | *from experience |
| 22:45.37 | paddor | moshii: hmm... why not.. perhaps because of lvm2? or isnt that a problem? |
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| 22:46.16 | paddor | moshii: and one further problem: in the new installer, i cant select ext2 as fs. but my /boot/-partition is ext2! |
| 22:46.36 | moshii | paddor: use ext3 ... |
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| 22:47.08 | zambaboo | ÎÁÒÏÄ, Õ ËÏÇÏ rhel ÅÓÔØ? Ó ÌÉÃÅÎÚÉÑÍÉ? ÍÎÅ ÂÙ ÇÌÉÂà rpm-Ï× ÚÁ ËÒÁÓÉ×ÙÅ ÇÌÁÚÁ ÎÁÄÙÂÁÔØ. |
| 22:47.25 | paddor | moshii: hmmm.. why isnt it there anymore? |
| 22:47.50 | moshii | paddor: ext3 is basically ext2 with a journal.. you can mount ext3 as ext2 if I remember correctly |
| 22:48.08 | zambaboo | oooops |
| 22:48.21 | moshii | paddor: so your ext2 bootloader can still boot from it and you get the benefitshaving a journal |
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| 22:48.23 | paddor | moshii: i know, that's right. but i dont want to loose 20% just for the journal i even dont need (on /boot/) |
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| 22:49.24 | paddor | moshii: is cross-compiling really that painful? |
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| 22:49.55 | paddor | moshii: what's whith the rescue-function on the deb-amd64-cd? |
| 22:50.11 | moshii | paddor: it's something I would save for slow systems like 32bit sparc.. |
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| 22:50.48 | moshii | paddor: never had to use it, the 4 64bit boxen I have installed haven;t ever gone down :) |
| 22:50.57 | mue | i dont get sound to work on my thinkpad x24, cs4299 shall be in, lspci and pnpdump don't show it to me, i built the kernel with sound support and without alsa and oss, and afterwards compiled alsa from source, usinf snd-intel8x0, what is recommended |
| 22:51.29 | stew | mue: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 22:52.49 | pfTaLZtcBO | hi |
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| 22:52.55 | paddor | moshii: ok.. i do it on the other way.. ok ok |
| 22:52.56 | mue | stew: that's what i tried before |
| 22:53.36 | moshii | paddor: I'm not sure if d-i does lvm2, maybe install a small system and leave space from the lvm setup to go into |
| 22:53.37 | paddor | moshii: another question. is there a way to initialli install from unstable sources? (instead of first installing testing sources with the daily-built cd) |
| 22:53.56 | stew | mue: does alsaconf detect your card? |
| 22:54.02 | mue | stew, no! |
| 22:54.12 | mue | stew, ehm, yes somehow, as is |
| 22:54.18 | moshii | paddor: if you choose expert I think in d-i it asks which distribution to install |
| 22:54.24 | mue | i mean isa |
| 22:54.26 | tsurko | hello, could you tell me what should I use to have Sun JRE support on apache web server? |
| 22:54.29 | paddor | moshii: yes, it supports lvm2.. it's somehow useful, but not very nice |
| 22:54.35 | stew | mue: does alsaconf detect your card? |
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| 22:54.53 | moshii | paddor: I setup a raid 1 + lvm setup pretty easy with d-i |
| 22:55.00 | mue | stew, it detects "a" isa card, opl or cs |
| 22:55.03 | mue | depends |
| 22:55.23 | paddor | moshii: i choosed expert, but it didnt ask me. maybe if i use the "start a shell"-function to edit sources.list before net-installt he base-sys? that could work.. |
| 22:55.26 | stew | mue: is cs4299 loadeed now? |
| 22:55.35 | rpc | hm what can i do if there is a ghost connection to some service? any methods of booting such "session"? |
| 22:55.48 | mue | stew: snd-intel8x0 shall be used, and it's loaded with dependencies |
| 22:55.53 | moshii | paddor: I can't remember where it asks but it does ask.. after partitioning etc |
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| 22:56.19 | moshii | paddor: testing is a good place to be with the amd64 port anyhoo |
| 22:56.19 | stew | mue: snd-intel8x0 is a pci driver, not an isa driver |
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| 22:56.36 | mue | stew: alsaconf: doesn't detect a cs4299, but either a opl... or csXX with XX differing |
| 22:56.40 | paddor | moshii: ok.. aah! yes, you're right! i remember too, but i think, this was on sarge.. i think, i never saw it on etch-cd.. |
| 22:56.57 | erore | several weeks maybe a few months passed, etch is nowhere to be seen. Someone knows the possible release date for stable? |
| 22:57.00 | stew | mue: what makes you think snd-intel8x0 is the correct driber? |
| 22:57.18 | mue | stew: one moment, that's what thinkwiki told me |
| 22:57.25 | moshii | paddor: I used the graphical install too.. the text based install doesn't seem to work with our poweredges/rack kvm |
| 22:57.35 | mue | stew: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/CS4299 |
| 22:57.51 | moshii | paddor: it doesn't even work enough to show the boot prompt hehe |
| 22:58.10 | stew | mue: can you put the output of "lspci -n" into a pastebin? |
| 22:58.16 | moshii | erore: does it matter? |
| 22:58.35 | stew | erore: nobody can posibly know. it will be released whenever the RC bug count hits zero, or 2 weeks after the RC2 of the etch installer is released, which ever comes later |
| 22:58.42 | stew | erore: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 22:58.42 | paddor | moshii: the text installer works fine for me |
| 22:58.44 | mue | stew: of course, 2 minutes, i am on another machine |
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| 22:58.54 | moshii | erore: I'd rather releases take longer than move to a broken system |
| 22:59.12 | lotus-blade | is there any way to get rid of ipv6? |
| 22:59.21 | erore | sure, but I asked in January and the answer was a few weeks :) |
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| 22:59.45 | mhammerton | i am having a problem when installing etch 64bit (net install), after i select the packages i want to download it just hangs at 5% and doesnt download anything, i have already selected the mirror but nothing is downloaded. |
| 22:59.50 | moshii | lotus-blade: um, unload the ipv6 modules ... they don't do all that much harm though |
| 22:59.54 | stew | erore: it took longer than expected to get a final kernel into etch. the installer was waiting on the kernel, we need 2 weeks of testing on the installer |
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| 23:00.13 | stew | erore: but besides that, there are still other RC bugs |
| 23:00.54 | moshii | *installer |
| 23:01.00 | mue | mhammerton, had this bug too |
| 23:01.03 | Thms | anyone knows a good c++ editor ? |
| 23:01.15 | erore | OK thanks for info |
| 23:01.43 | stew | mhammerton: /msg dpkg 5% error |
| 23:01.51 | EdLin | Thms: vi, emacs, nedit, jedit, etc. |
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| 23:01.53 | stew | mhammerton: this is a known problem with the RC1 installers |
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| 23:02.25 | mhammerton | is there any kind of workaround for it |
| 23:02.35 | stew | !5% error |
| 23:02.35 | dpkg | i heard 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? boot the installer with `boot debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like, or or use a daily build etch installer where this problem has been fixed |
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| 23:03.02 | moshii | so use the d-i snapshot instead... |
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| 23:04.31 | madd_matt | I've got 80gb unpartitioned space on my computer that I don't know what to do with. |
| 23:04.37 | mue2 | stew, http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=3182 |
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| 23:05.21 | moshii | madd_matt: massive swap partition for those really bad crashes |
| 23:05.39 | madd_matt | moshii, I've already allotted 2gb for swap :P |
| 23:05.55 | moshii | madd_matt: I said really bad crashes :P |
| 23:06.00 | stb- | I have been curious about the AMD64 port of debian for a while. Are there any real advantages (other than being able to have 1TiB of memory |
| 23:06.10 | moshii | stb-: it's cool |
| 23:06.40 | madd_matt | Can I use regular x86 packages with debian if I install a 64-bit kernel? |
| 23:06.49 | moshii | stb-: and surveys have shown amd64 users are more attractive to women |
| 23:06.54 | stb- | hahah |
| 23:07.00 | madd_matt | Ie, can I use 32-bit flash and 32-bit iceweasel |
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| 23:07.03 | stew | mue2: right, so since there is no pci soundcard, i don't think there is any way that snd-intel8x0 is the right driver |
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| 23:07.29 | moshii | madd_matt: um, there are ia32 compat. packages in the amd64 port |
| 23:07.45 | stb- | thx moshii I figured there wouldn't be much performance gain on desktop |
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| 23:08.05 | madd_matt | moshii, okay. Back when I first looked (like, 2 years ago) there weren't any and it required nasty hacks involving chroots. |
| 23:08.27 | moshii | stb-: I've found it pretty stable on dedicated boxes and one we use for about 10 windows vm's at work |
| 23:08.57 | mhammerton | thanx |
| 23:09.13 | moshii | stb-: not sure if it's really that much faster... in long mode you have twice the amount of general purpose registers though |
| 23:09.41 | moshii | madd_matt: there is an ia32 library package and other bits and bobs, I'm not sure what it's like on a desktop though |
| 23:09.49 | mue | stew, since pnpdump shows no isa-card and alsconf doesn't seem to configure the several isa-devices it detects properly, what shall i do? |
| 23:09.56 | stb- | brb |
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| 23:10.27 | madd_matt | moshii, yeah, i'm pretty much to lazy to go check it out anyways. This debian install has been through 2 CPU changes; its now on a 64-bit core 2 duo |
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| 23:10.49 | n3kl | Where is the mysql database stored? |
| 23:10.54 | stb_ | mmm something weird going on with my bx |
| 23:10.58 | stb_ | dammit |
| 23:11.24 | moshii | madd_matt: mm I haven't reinstalled for about 2 years and even then I just remounted home and I was ready to go |
| 23:11.50 | madd_matt | moshii, yep. Reinstalls are for losers :P. I'm currently migrating my install to new disks. |
| 23:11.56 | moshii | madd_matt: people at work are dead set on RHEL.. silly silly |
| 23:12.14 | madd_matt | The only reason to go RHEL is for support. |
| 23:12.17 | Ronin | moshii: at least its linux |
| 23:12.23 | moshii | madd_matt: which no one uses |
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| 23:12.47 | moshii | madd_matt: support is the biggest lie in the whole "linux" world |
| 23:12.58 | madd_matt | Debian stable for servers, testing for desktops. |
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| 23:13.08 | madd_matt | knoppix for livecds. |
| 23:13.18 | madd_matt | (its debian-based so its okay ;) |
| 23:13.23 | moshii | Ronin: hmm, linux, netbsd.. after the third layer of abstraction it's hard to tell |
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| 23:14.25 | moshii | madd_matt: I use debian because it's supported by people that use it, not people that are paid to support it |
| 23:15.05 | madd_matt | Very much so. But never underestimate having somebody with a paycheck on the line to help you out ;) |
| 23:15.05 | moshii | madd_matt: in the end stuff works and stays working and I don't have to call some guy that did a 2 day course and explain my problem 30 times to get a fix |
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| 23:15.57 | jigreap | is vista worth getting? |
| 23:16.08 | streuner | no |
| 23:16.10 | jigreap | #flood |
| 23:16.11 | moshii | madd_matt: The guy with the paycheck can tell you the switches for rpm off by heart but couldn't tell you what init does if it slept with his mother |
| 23:16.42 | mue | stew: can i hope that there is a workin soundchip at all? |
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| 23:17.01 | madd_matt | moshii, indeed ;). What I need support for is stuff like why ivtv-utils and ivtv-firmware conflict, and what to do about it ;) |
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| 23:17.30 | madd_matt | moshii, IE, the weird stuff the distro does. Sometimes a guy who knows who to call can be useful |
| 23:17.36 | moshii | madd_matt: hmm, the reason why our servers runs RHEL.. the CTO likes "security support" guess what |
| 23:17.58 | moshii | madd_matt: all our machines have exploitable kernels running |
| 23:18.09 | stew | mue: was sound EVER working on this machine:? |
| 23:18.17 | madd_matt | moshii, I think we can both conclude the best thing would be debian with paid support, if you really want that sort of thing ;) |
| 23:18.25 | mue | stew: i just got i from ebay, don't know |
| 23:18.39 | moshii | madd_matt: true, I don't doubt the worth of *good* support |
| 23:18.47 | stew | mue: (i just got back a thinkpad from easyserv for a system board replacement and it came back with a broken soundcard, its not showing up in lspci) |
| 23:18.53 | stew | mue: is there any warranty left on it? |
| 23:19.01 | mue | stew: no |
| 23:19.08 | stew | mue: i can't imaging a thinkpad as new as a x24 is actually having an isa soundcard |
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| 23:19.50 | mue | stew: yes, that's what i thought too, but then read different threads like... wait |
| 23:20.02 | mhammerton | ls |
| 23:20.02 | Ronin | moshii: better then working in a windows only shop like me |
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| 23:20.27 | mhammerton | dpkg !5% |
| 23:20.37 | moshii | Ronin: we have a mix of crappy solaris boxen, windows and RHEL |
| 23:20.39 | stew | mhammerton: /msg dpkg 5% error |
| 23:20.53 | mhammerton | thanx |
| 23:22.09 | moshii | Ronin: My job title means I get told to install stuff on production servers but get beat down when I suggest people are talking out of their arse haha |
| 23:22.17 | mue | stew: the company that sold it, wrote in the description that it's an Crystal CS4610/11 Soundchip, on Board |
| 23:22.46 | moshii | mue: what is there install lspci.. is there even an isa bridge? |
| 23:22.51 | Ronin | moshii: try working for the govt then, you'll "love" it |
| 23:23.22 | stew | mue: yeah that owuld be the snd-cs46xx driver which is also pci |
| 23:23.31 | moshii | Ronin: I think everyone argees , whoever you work for it's crap :P |
| 23:24.03 | Ronin | wouldn't say that, ive had great jobs but growing up sucks sometimes :( |
| 23:24.30 | mue | stew: The Linux drivers for the CS4610 (both OSS and ALSA) expect to find it paired with an AC'97 codec chip, while instead the CS4610 is paired with the ISA CS4239. This was done, because at the time this allowed DOS games to output sound using SoundBlaster Pro emulation. |
| 23:24.47 | mue | stew. but yes, old |
| 23:25.00 | mue | sure not appropiate to the x24 |
| 23:25.01 | mue | hm |
| 23:25.06 | moshii | Ronin: I know that feeling, I just got out of uni to find that working life can be the bawls and it lasts for 40+ years |
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| 23:26.33 | Ronin | moshii: yep, course mine were also as an adult too |
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| 23:28.34 | moshii | Ronin: worse thing about adult life; having your electricity cut off and not having it magically reappear when you get home from school |
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| 23:31.15 | RvGaTe | The dpkg entry of "bind" contains non-existing url's.... |
| 23:31.30 | moshii | RvGaTe: report a bug |
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| 23:31.51 | RvGaTe | moshii, i mean dpkg here in #debian |
| 23:32.20 | stew | !bind |
| 23:32.20 | dpkg | it has been said that bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/view.cgi?/products/BIND/index.phtml, or read the brilliant docs at http://www.nominum.com/resources/documentation/Bv9ARM.pdf. |
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| 23:32.48 | RvGaTe | stew to the rescue |
| 23:33.05 | stew | !bind =~ s#, or read the brilliant docs at http://www.nominum.com/resources/documentation/Bv9ARM.pdf## |
| 23:33.05 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 23:33.30 | stew | bah, are they both 404? |
| 23:33.35 | RvGaTe | yes |
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| 23:41.18 | simonrvn | yes they are |
| 23:41.18 | stew | !bind =~ s#http://www.isc.org/view.cgi?/products/BIND/index.phtml#http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/# |
| 23:41.18 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 23:41.18 | simonrvn | bind9-doc package |
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| 23:41.19 | stew | !bind is also "apt-get install bind9-doc" |
| 23:41.19 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 23:41.20 | RvGaTe | whats the difference between bind and bind9 anyway ? |
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| 23:41.21 | jstevens | Any thoughts on how to kill dpkg when it doesn't respond to 'kill -9 <pid_of_dpkg>'? |
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| 23:41.22 | jstevens | I killed aptitude and it left dpkg running with a lock on /var/lib/dpkg. Doesn't respond to kill -9 though. |
| 23:41.22 | moshii | jstevens: has it been collected by init? if so you have to reboot |
| 23:41.22 | stew | RvGaTe: bind4 and bind8 are config-file incompatible versions that one should stop being so lazy and upgrade from |
| 23:41.23 | jstevens | Do you mean is the parent pid 1? |
| 23:41.23 | moshii | jstevens: yes |
| 23:41.23 | jstevens | Yep |
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| 23:41.24 | RvGaTe | stew, so its a seperate package so that stuff isn't going to break.. :) |
| 23:41.24 | jstevens | Reall, no way to kill a process that has init as a parent? |
| 23:41.24 | jstevens | That's yucky. |
| 23:41.24 | simonrvn | no, you reboot in that case |
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| 23:41.25 | moshii | jstevens: once it gets collected by init it should be cleaned out, if it doesn't than you have to kill it's parent.. init |
| 23:41.25 | stew | RvGaTe: yes, i belive the bind package is still bind8 |
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| 23:41.25 | jstevens | Can I close the files dpkg still has open w/o killing dpkg in any way? |
| 23:41.25 | colera | i was wondering which library i need to copy vob files off of a css'ed dvd |
| 23:41.25 | colera | ? |
| 23:41.28 | jstevens | I don't care if dpkg sits there running until the system needs to be rebooted, but I'd like to remove the file locks. |
| 23:41.28 | moshii | jstevens: those processes will be locking the file based on lower level stuff, so you can delete the file and touch new ones |
| 23:41.28 | jstevens | delete the dpkg lock files? Mmm... Is that safe? :^) |
| 23:41.32 | moshii | jstevens: I have a system with exaclty this breakage at the moment, it's safer to remove the locks and fix what broke with dpkg than reboot this one :P |
| 23:41.44 | jstevens | Huh... |
| 23:41.58 | RvGaTe | stew, thx for updating the bind thingy, i'll need it tom. at school... |
| 23:42.05 | RvGaTe | cheers |
| 23:42.19 | moshii | jstevens: dpkgs locks a lot of files though, so if you can reboot |
| 23:42.50 | stew | RvGaTe: read the DNS howto tonight in preparation :) |
| 23:43.17 | moshii | and if you want a nicer dns server use mara :) it's lovely |
| 23:43.19 | stew | RvGaTe: btw, anybody can update factoids (i'm happy to, some people just don't realize that others can) |
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| 23:43.35 | RvGaTe | stew, i got from 9.00 to 12.45 to read the howto... |
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| 23:43.55 | RvGaTe | stew, dont know the syntax, and people like you are happy to do so... :P |
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| 23:44.44 | stew | RvGaTe: sure, np |
| 23:45.40 | RvGaTe | so how do i feed the bot ? |
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| 23:46.33 | colera | i just bought a cartoon for my kids, and i need to make a copy for them to use, so they don't scratch the original, i have switched to linux here at home, i used to use dvdshrink on windows, how can i copy the vob's etc. off the dvd to burn a backup in linux? Which library do i need? |
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| 23:47.02 | moshii | colera: there is an app called dvdbackup |
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| 23:47.23 | RvGaTe | colera, another way of doing it is, you could create an .iso file first, and use gnome baker to burn it |
| 23:47.37 | moshii | colera: shrinking is a bit more a of challenge. chances are that a kids dvd is DVD5 though |
| 23:47.55 | stew | RvGaTe: just "/msg dpkg foo is bar" will create a factoid named foo with value "bar". you can replace one with "/msg dpkg no, foo is baz" you can edit one with sed style syntax using perl's =~ operator: "/msg dpkg foo =~ s/bar/baz/" where [,/#] are the 3 valid delimiters |
| 23:47.59 | colera | moshii: i have a dual layer burner |
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| 23:48.13 | moshii | RvGaTe: what creates decrypted isos? |
| 23:48.18 | enouf | colera: look at some of these http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?DvdRippers |
| 23:48.28 | peppe | colera: use vamps && k9copy |
| 23:48.36 | colera | RvGaTe: do i just make an iso by dumbing teh contents of /dev/cdrom to a file? |
| 23:48.38 | RvGaTe | moshii, none, i've misread the question... i thought he would like to create a 1on1 backup |
| 23:48.54 | RvGaTe | colera, my solution is for 1on1 copy only.. |
| 23:48.56 | moshii | colera: there are some ways to shrink (not transcode natively), i.e vamps... dvdshrink works in wine too |
| 23:49.06 | peppe | colera: ok, actually k9copy is a frontend for vamps (which is a dvd9 to dvd5 shrinker) |
| 23:49.13 | enouf | colera: worse comes to worse run shrink in wine |
| 23:49.16 | RvGaTe | stew, cool, ill give it a try |
| 23:49.34 | moshii | RvGaTe: I never managed to do a raw dvdbackup with encryption :/ |
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| 23:50.54 | colera | RvGaTe: 1 on 1 copy would be alright because i have a dual-layer burner right? |
| 23:51.05 | moshii | colera: you should also consider ripping just the main feature pcg and burning that, shrunk dvd's look like arse |
| 23:51.24 | RvGaTe | colera, dunno, do you? :P |
| 23:51.31 | colera | lol |
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| 23:51.47 | enouf | dpkg: edit the bot is <reply> just "/msg dpkg foo is bar" will create a factoid named foo with value "bar". you can replace one with "/msg dpkg no, foo is baz" you can edit one with sed style syntax using perl's =~ operator: "/msg dpkg foo =~ s/bar/baz/" where [,/#] are the 3 valid delimiters. |
| 23:51.48 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
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| 23:51.53 | enouf | :-) |
| 23:51.53 | moshii | colera: do you have the money for dual layer blanks and a player that can read the second layer :P |
| 23:51.54 | colera | RvGaTe: what i am asking is do you know of a way i can make an iso of an encrypted disk? |
| 23:52.14 | peppe | colera: yes, but why should you use up an expensive double-layer dvd in order to make a copy? |
| 23:52.30 | colera | arn't they only like a 1.50? |
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| 23:53.15 | moshii | colera: you can't make backups with the original encryption as far as i know.. you have to rip/decrypt/repackage |
| 23:53.17 | peppe | colera: yes, use libdvdcss2. Debian cannot distribute it, but if is legal in your country to use decss you can find that on debian-multimedia or debian-unofficial |
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| 23:53.45 | moshii | peppe: or the script that is included with the debian packages that install it.. |
| 23:53.45 | colera | moshii: that is what i thought |
| 23:53.47 | RvGaTe | !rvgate |
| 23:53.47 | dpkg | well, rvgate is a dutch guy who has no idea what he is doing. He mostly asks questions regarding general usage of linux. You can find this crazy dutchman in #debian, #debian-nl and his website http://www.rvgate.nl/. |
| 23:53.55 | peppe | moshii: right... libdvdread? |
| 23:54.02 | moshii | peppe: indeed |
| 23:54.10 | peppe | I had some script which dumped the whole, unencrypted dvd iso image |
| 23:54.17 | peppe | so you could burn it directly |
| 23:54.23 | peppe | but I can't figure out where I put it |
| 23:54.34 | moshii | peppe: it was probably ripping and piping into mkisofs |
| 23:54.55 | peppe | maybe it was something using vobcopy with decss and repackaging it on the fly |
| 23:54.59 | colera | peppe: i would need a frontend to use libdvdcss2? or can i somehow use it with the cp command? : ) |
| 23:55.11 | moshii | colera: dvdbackup :) |
| 23:55.29 | peppe | colera: hm... let's restart from the beginning ... what do you want to do exactly? to backup an encrypted DVD9 disk? |
| 23:55.32 | colera | okay cool |
| 23:55.43 | RvGaTe | stew, something like that? :P |
| 23:55.46 | colera | yes |
| 23:56.02 | stew | RvGaTe: sure |
| 23:56.14 | colera | ideally i want to just copy the vts01_* files off a dvd to my hd |
| 23:56.23 | peppe | colera: you can do that using vobcopy |
| 23:56.33 | peppe | (after installing decss) |
| 23:56.34 | colera | great. |
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| 23:56.54 | colera | sorry for the roll around guy's : ) hehe |
| 23:57.09 | moshii | peppe: does vobcopy automate the process? |
| 23:57.23 | peppe | no, vobcopy copies just the unencrypted vob files |
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| 23:58.01 | moshii | peppe: you should look at dvdbackup, it's in debian, rips a dvd and gives you a burnable structure to work on |
| 23:58.17 | RvGaTe | stew, bind = 8, bind9 = 9 :P |
| 23:58.22 | peppe | colera: if you want to give the copy to children, I suggest to shrink the dvd to a DVD5 using k9copy (a double layer dvd is far more expensive and fragile than a single layer one) |
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| 23:58.39 | eurisko | Can someone get a look at flood? |
| 23:58.39 | stew | RvGaTe: yes |
| 23:58.49 | colera | peppe: sounds good, generally these cartoons are DVD5 anywway |
| 23:58.55 | eurisko | i just can't find out a solution to my problem |
| 23:58.56 | colera | very small |
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| 23:59.12 | peppe | moshii: yes, i know that :) maybe it is the script I'm looking for :D |
| 23:59.14 | sid | damn.... http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php 118 rc bugs preventing etch from being released. |
| 23:59.19 | moshii | colera: use pgcedit to get it down to size without shrinking too ^^ |
| 23:59.22 | sid | It was at like 40 a couple days ago. |
| 23:59.25 | sid | wtf happened |
| 23:59.39 | moshii | sid: people reported more bugs |
| 23:59.46 | moshii | which is good thing |
