| 00:00.06 | peppe | sid: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ reports Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 87 |
| 00:00.19 | eurisko | http://rafb.net/p/I4zlYD67.html , i guess i have some problem with acpi / hotplug that is messing the module load process |
| 00:00.25 | eurisko | can someone give me a opinion |
| 00:00.33 | eurisko | it's an ipw2200 |
| 00:00.38 | sid | peppe: eh, I've seen debian developers using the url I pasted. I'll go with that. |
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| 00:01.10 | peppe | eurisko: is the firmware in place? |
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| 00:01.36 | eurisko | as instructions okyo:/lib/firmware# ls |
| 00:01.37 | eurisko | ipw2200-fw-3.0 |
| 00:01.47 | CBG | Anyone ever used rEFIt to boot debian on a mac? I got a problem and would appreciate any help at all... http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=44063 |
| 00:01.51 | eurisko | i guess is the correct place |
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| 00:02.09 | peppe | eurisko: yes, but ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 <-- shouldn't it be named "ipw2200-bss.fw" ? |
| 00:02.41 | moshii | colera: I have an iomega media box that plays dvd iso's too.. you might want to invest in one :) |
| 00:02.42 | amphi | eurisko: perhaps you have the wrong fw version? |
| 00:02.53 | amphi | eurisko: what version is the module you're using? |
| 00:02.58 | moshii | colera: 200 euro for a 300gig one in spain |
| 00:04.07 | eurisko | Tokyo:/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/contrib# modinfo ipw2200/ipw2200.ko | more |
| 00:04.07 | eurisko | filename: ipw2200/ipw2200.ko |
| 00:04.07 | eurisko | description: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver |
| 00:04.07 | eurisko | version: 1.2.1mq |
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| 00:04.19 | eurisko | 1.2.1 |
| 00:04.19 | eurisko | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.27 | eurisko | my firmware is 3.0 |
| 00:04.44 | colera | moshii: that sounds great |
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| 00:05.00 | eurisko | peppe didn't understand |
| 00:05.10 | RvGaTe | im off, cya all tom. morning |
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| 00:05.27 | peppe | eurisko: the file name shouldn't be "ipw2200-bss.fw"? |
| 00:05.34 | peppe | instead of ipw2200-fw-3.0? |
| 00:05.46 | assasukasse | i can't uninstall samba package how can i do?? |
| 00:05.52 | abrotman | why can't you ? |
| 00:05.54 | peppe | but I didn't RTFM :) you should :P |
| 00:06.17 | eurisko | i read.. but i don't get nowhere :) |
| 00:06.43 | eurisko | i guess the files are right, but they don't have any readme inside the tarball with the firmware |
| 00:06.49 | amphi | eurisko: I have three fw files, it seems - ipw2200-bss.fw ipw2200-ibss.fw & ipw2200-sniffer.fw |
| 00:06.49 | eurisko | Tokyo:/lib/firmware/ipw2200-fw-3.0# ls |
| 00:06.49 | eurisko | ipw2200-bss.fw ipw2200-ibss.fw ipw2200-sniffer.fw LICENSE.ipw2200-fw |
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| 00:07.17 | eurisko | amphi what is the directory you are hosting them? |
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| 00:07.27 | amphi | eurisko: /lib/firmware |
| 00:07.34 | peppe | eurisko: that was a directory! d'oh! move that .fw files in /lib/firmware and retry |
| 00:07.54 | eurisko | ahh |
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| 00:08.04 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 00:08.07 | amphi | eurisko: ah ;) |
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| 00:08.31 | amphi | eurisko: it's module ver. 1.2.1mq there? |
| 00:08.33 | abrotman | !meep |
| 00:08.33 | dpkg | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg |
| 00:08.33 | eurisko | thanks god! |
| 00:08.35 | wickers | ok, apt is buggered AGAIN, where do i start? How can I just blow out and reinstall apt? |
| 00:08.41 | eurisko | yup amphi |
| 00:08.45 | abrotman | wickers: eh ? |
| 00:09.00 | moshii | wickers: buggered how? |
| 00:09.02 | amphi | eurisko: ah - I'm still on -3 |
| 00:09.18 | moshii | wickers: and you can reinstall apt with dpkg |
| 00:09.27 | abrotman | i doubt that's the real problem |
| 00:09.31 | eurisko | this directory thing... made me loose like half an hour |
| 00:09.32 | amphi | eurisko: didn't get round to rebooting yet ;) |
| 00:09.33 | eurisko | :D |
| 00:09.38 | amphi | !pal eurisko |
| 00:09.43 | amphi | ;) |
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| 00:10.04 | eurisko | eheh, well don't reboot it! if it is working :D |
| 00:10.09 | abrotman | wickers: ? |
| 00:10.29 | wickers | abrotman, moshii, digging up error message |
| 00:10.32 | wickers | one sec |
| 00:10.48 | amphi | eurisko: I get a lot of fw restarts when the connection is marginal - perhaps the newer driver version will work betrer |
| 00:11.51 | wickers | oh great, now I can't even ssh into the bloody box. |
| 00:11.51 | wickers | hah |
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| 00:11.52 | wickers | It's dead Jim. |
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| 00:11.56 | wickers | Damit Jim, I'm a doctor not a Linux Geek. |
| 00:12.01 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 00:12.01 | eurisko | i am having several problems with my acpi and fn-buttons |
| 00:12.15 | eurisko | well i will start trying in some minutes |
| 00:12.15 | mne | hi, is anyone familiar with cacti ? I got snmpd running and it snmpwalk returns values. Unfortunately, cacti does not receive traffic values from snmpd |
| 00:12.19 | moshii | wickers: try pinging it |
| 00:12.19 | abrotman | wickers: golly .. i don't think it was fair to blame apt ... |
| 00:13.00 | wickers | abrotman, yeah, well, testing on ARM is like riding a rollercoaster. The box is 'not broken' in some way only half the time. ;) |
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| 00:13.15 | abrotman | wickers: what kind of roller coasters are you riding ? |
| 00:13.20 | wickers | But stable does not support the NSLU2 |
| 00:13.22 | amphi | eurisko: what problems? |
| 00:13.30 | wickers | abrotman, the slug ride ;) |
| 00:13.31 | abrotman | wickers: are you running etch ? |
| 00:13.34 | wickers | yes |
| 00:13.34 | eurisko | britghtness control |
| 00:14.05 | abrotman | wickers: Can we go to Wonderland and ride the big roulette wheel ride? |
| 00:14.05 | eurisko | and acpi sometimes puts my dmesg output full of information |
| 00:14.42 | wickers | abrotman, and here I thought unstable was the line mine zone. hehe |
| 00:14.57 | abrotman | wickers: when's the last time you did a dist-upgrade ? |
| 00:15.08 | wickers | Umm... like never ;) |
| 00:15.12 | amphi | eurisko: hmm... my brightness control is done by the bios, but xosd hooks it ok |
| 00:15.24 | wickers | still kinda new to debian, |
| 00:15.32 | eurisko | mine is a vaio... some strange thing they put there |
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| 00:16.15 | abrotman | wickers: uhm .. |
| 00:16.15 | madd_matt | What ride? |
| 00:16.25 | amphi | eurisko: anything useful at linux-laptop.net and/or tuxmobil.org? |
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| 00:17.35 | abrotman | madd_matt: the big roulette wheel .. course .. last time i was at wonderland .. it was a Hanna-Barberra park :) |
| 00:17.52 | madd_matt | abrotman, oh, I haven't been in Hanna-barberra in a long time ;) |
| 00:18.50 | eurisko | will check now |
| 00:18.53 | abrotman | apparently long gone .. oh well |
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| 00:20.27 | eurisko | well, Hot-Keys-------------------NO-FUNCIONA |
| 00:20.31 | eurisko | i ain't lucky |
| 00:20.42 | eurisko | i will get a some sunglasses soon i guess |
| 00:20.43 | eurisko | :D |
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| 00:21.16 | abrotman | oh .. maybre it's klockwerks |
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| 00:21.31 | amphi | eurisko: other pages agree? |
| 00:21.37 | eurisko | mostly |
| 00:21.43 | eurisko | but i found out a post on gentoo |
| 00:21.46 | eurisko | i will try |
| 00:21.51 | eurisko | it's for a similar model |
| 00:21.57 | eurisko | i will have to change some source code |
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| 00:22.00 | eurisko | let's see |
| 00:23.03 | abrotman | oh .. tha'ts not it |
| 00:23.09 | amphi | eurisko: go for it ;) |
| 00:23.33 | eurisko | oh... sh.. 00:23 tomorrow i have electromagnetism class! |
| 00:23.39 | eurisko | i have to go now |
| 00:23.46 | eurisko | thank you guys! |
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| 00:29.34 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 00:29.34 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:29.37 | CBG | Installed debian on an external hd to use on my intel imac, having trouble booting from the ext. hd... Is there a way to force the bootloader into the mbr during the debian install? |
| 00:29.56 | Thms | :) |
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| 00:31.49 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, what's a nand flash? |
| 00:32.00 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | i know what NAND is |
| 00:32.14 | BUMBACL0T | what is nand? |
| 00:32.16 | dr1v3r | guys where can i find the exim4 conf file? i tried locate and only one i can find is the one in /usr/share/doc/cyrus-common/examples/exim.conf |
| 00:32.40 | AWOSLappy | CBG: use the rescue console. |
| 00:32.46 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, what is it? |
| 00:32.46 | robin_sz | BUMBACL0T, its a type of logic gate |
| 00:32.55 | CBG | AWOSLappy: pardon? :) |
| 00:32.57 | abrotman | !nand |
| 00:32.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, nand is the basicly a binary operator that negatates the effects an and operation (see and); also nand gate builds all other gates |
| 00:33.11 | AWOSLappy | CBG: the rescue console. |
| 00:33.17 | robin_sz | I geuess it is the architecture used to build the flash ram |
| 00:33.26 | CBG | That means nothing to me, AWOSLappy. |
| 00:33.33 | gpm | hi all, how can i change the permissions removable-drives are given by hal/pmount/gnome-volume-manager? |
| 00:33.36 | AWOSLappy | CBG: go download the rescue disk |
| 00:33.46 | CBG | k... thanks |
| 00:34.01 | BUMBACL0T | NAND Flash |
| 00:34.02 | BUMBACL0T | FileMate USB pen drives only use NAND flash components that has been fully tested with the controller, which is incorporated within the USB, drive. This includes Samsung, Infineon, Spectek and ST Micro. |
| 00:34.02 | enouf | dr1v3r: /msg dpkg exim4, locate exim4 | less |
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| 00:34.22 | robin_sz | sigh ... there are too many people with ALLCAPS names today, I feel the need for extreme violence |
| 00:34.40 | Xenguy | robin_sz: the solution is /ignore =) |
| 00:34.54 | superted | I am installing etch on a HD i just bought. And when im doing the partitioning I get this error: Input/output error during read on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc. Is it a bad HD or could it be something else ? |
| 00:34.57 | robin_sz | Xenguy, nah, thats letting them get away with it |
| 00:34.57 | moshii | BUMBACL0T: it's just the type of flash they use, nothing special |
| 00:35.03 | creft | I'm trying to burn a cd, but it'll tell me that the cd cannot be mounted, so I can't burn it. I'm using gnomebaker. Could someone give me a hand? |
| 00:35.08 | Xenguy | robin_sz: after all, if ALL CAPS is 'shouting' on the net, why should nicks be any different? |
| 00:35.19 | dr1v3r | enouf that did not do anything |
| 00:35.21 | robin_sz | Xenguy, thats my feeling |
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| 00:35.24 | CBG | AWOSLappy: can't find any such thing :/ |
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| 00:35.31 | moshii | creft: cat /dev/hdc > disc.iso |
| 00:35.41 | AWOSLappy | CBG: it's a floppy |
| 00:35.47 | moshii | creft: and burn that.. replace hdc with your reader |
| 00:35.50 | dr1v3r | i did not even get a reply from dpkg |
| 00:36.06 | CBG | I have no floppy drive, so even if I could find the download... |
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| 00:36.27 | Xenguy | robin_sz: there, that was easy ;-) |
| 00:36.27 | creft | moshii: I am trying to burn an iso already |
| 00:36.28 | enouf | dr1v3r: man update-exim4.conf |
| 00:36.42 | moshii | creft: have you tried naked cdrecord? |
| 00:36.49 | dr1v3r | enouf i have ran the update-exim4.conf |
| 00:36.58 | enouf | read it! |
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| 00:37.00 | creft | moshii: no I haven't |
| 00:37.01 | dr1v3r | twice |
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| 00:38.25 | moshii | creft: when you said couldn't mount I thought you were backing up a random disc. You should try cdrecord and see if it works, the good thing about doing that is that if it doesn't work it'll give you output to work on |
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| 00:38.56 | moshii | creft: the graphical burners give next to no output on why stuff isn't working |
| 00:39.19 | enouf | dr1v3r: apt-get install dlocate exim4-doc-html && updatedb && dlocate exim4 | egrep 'txt|html' |
| 00:39.58 | creft | moshii: hmm okay. Thanks. I'll give that a try. |
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| 00:40.18 | Smoked1 | Is there a way to get a list of all installed packages on my system? |
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| 00:41.20 | amphi | Smoked1: dpkg -l | grep '^ii' is one way |
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| 00:41.57 | amphi | Smoked1: dpkg --get-selections also I believe |
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| 00:42.04 | stew | Smoked1: "aptitude search \~i" or "dpkg -l | grep ^.i" |
| 00:42.15 | Smoked1 | Thanks guys |
| 00:42.16 | gozz | ok i give up i need help |
| 00:42.21 | Smoked1 | Ill try these |
| 00:42.52 | amphi | Smoked1: those return different number here ;) |
| 00:43.02 | stew | amphi: "grep ^ii" misses packages on hold or package which you have requested to have removed but haven't yet been removed (same goes for --get-selections) |
| 00:43.39 | amphi | stew: does --get-selections count removed but unpurged? |
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| 00:44.28 | stew | amphi: that only shows what you have requested, not the actual state of the system (its the first column of dpkg -l) so for instance <echo "dpkg |
| 00:44.31 | stew | err |
| 00:44.33 | gozz | i am having a problem mounting a ntfs partition i wrote it down when i did it some time ago i have since added another hard drive and needed to reinstall to add another os here is what i got and i dont know what im doing wrong |
| 00:44.42 | enouf | stew take a look at the "reinstall" factoid then, see if you think it needs alteration |
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| 00:45.32 | stew | amphi: echo "foopkg deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections <- that will change the output of dpkg --get-selections, but won't actually remove the package (it gets removed the next time you let aptitude do it, or when you run apt-get dselect-upgrade) |
| 00:45.38 | dkr | "installed" does also. your "aptitude search \~i" or "dpkg -l | grep ^.i" is much more succint |
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| 00:46.23 | stew | enouf: it looks ok to me at a cursory glance |
| 00:46.28 | stew | ok, gametime for stew |
| 00:46.58 | amphi | stew: uhuh |
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| 00:47.12 | gozz | in fstab ( /dev/sda5 /mnt/ntfs ntfs defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 ) could somone tell me whats wrong here it will let me mount it with root but not as user and i have to manually mount it every time? |
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| 00:48.26 | gozz | has somthing changed that has to do with fstab? |
| 00:48.28 | wickers | well spank my arse and call me charlie... |
| 00:48.38 | wickers | apt just decides to work after a reboot. |
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| 00:49.04 | wickers | This is not Windows!...things should not just start working properly after a reboot damnit! |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 00:49.07 | wickers | >< |
| 00:49.07 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 00:49.21 | DarkStorm2736 | Hi. How can I manually run the etch base setup? It threw an error and now i only have a shell... |
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| 00:50.25 | wickers | abrotman, read up, problem solved itself |
| 00:50.32 | abrotman | i see |
| 00:50.49 | Vasistha | DarkStorm2736: what threw an error? |
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| 00:51.05 | GeekinBox | is there a trojan scanner for debian? |
| 00:51.13 | Vasistha | GeekinBox: clamav ? |
| 00:51.16 | DarkStorm2736 | Vasistha: vserver installation, that was related to my error (passing --interface eth0:1 led to an error during the base setup) |
| 00:51.26 | abrotman | GeekinBox: tripwire . chkrootkit |
| 00:51.34 | DarkStorm2736 | But i want to avoid download everything again so I'm looking for a way to simply rerun the base setup |
| 00:51.55 | abrotman | DarkStorm2736: which questions ? |
| 00:52.14 | DarkStorm2736 | hostname, locale, etc. |
| 00:52.36 | streuner | GeekinBox: rkhunter |
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| 00:53.10 | marco__ | where's the kernel module blacklist? |
| 00:53.23 | abrotman | DarkStorm2736: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net .. |
| 00:53.26 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 00:53.26 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 00:53.32 | DarkStorm2736 | whew |
| 00:53.33 | enouf | marco__: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 00:53.36 | DarkStorm2736 | I guess i'll just reinstall then |
| 00:53.40 | enouf | nm |
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| 00:53.56 | colera | how do i unmount something when it say's "umount: it seems /media/cdrom0 is mounted multiple times |
| 00:53.58 | colera | ? |
| 00:54.03 | ndkick | what the fuck? |
| 00:54.05 | ndkick | http://www.digg.com/offbeat_news/The_History_of_the_USB_Absinthe_Spoon |
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| 00:55.24 | enouf | colera: did you loop mount it? |
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| 00:55.47 | colera | ? umm i dunno i don't think so, not sure what that means |
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| 00:56.38 | enouf | colera: losetup -f says what? |
| 00:56.51 | mhammerton | exit |
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| 00:57.04 | colera | umm command not found |
| 00:57.15 | Thorrn4 | hello everyone, I was wondering, how can I create my own distro from Debian? I want to maintain my own distro cause for some reason, I dont like waitin for others to post up new editions on repos....no offense to debian maintainers |
| 00:57.21 | Thorrn4 | :_D |
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| 00:57.34 | colera | enouf: got it thanks |
| 00:57.38 | colera | needed to umount as root |
| 00:57.39 | enouf | colera: as root .. or /sbin/losetup |
| 00:57.40 | colera | not sure why |
| 00:57.41 | Thorrn4 | new versions of packages? |
| 00:57.49 | enouf | colera: ok |
| 00:57.49 | Vasistha | Thorrn4: experimental isn't fast enough for ya? |
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| 00:58.19 | Thorrn4 | Vasistha, Ive never just used straight Debian |
| 00:59.06 | Thorrn4 | Vasistha, is Debian a relatively easy distro to use? |
| 00:59.07 | streuner | why not just troll somewhere else? |
| 00:59.19 | amphi | Thorrn4: yes |
| 00:59.27 | concept10 | where is the config option for having the linux logo in the framebuffer in menuconfig? |
| 00:59.28 | Vasistha | Thorrn4: *I* think so. |
| 00:59.37 | concept10 | or is this automatic? |
| 00:59.45 | streuner | no |
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| 00:59.52 | Vasistha | concept10: I'm pertty sure that's a kernel patch issue |
| 00:59.54 | streuner | just look *Harder* |
| 00:59.54 | tessier_ | Hello all! |
| 01:00.04 | tessier_ | Anyone know if Debian 3.1 needs any patches to deal with the upcoming time change? |
| 01:00.10 | abrotman | done |
| 01:00.15 | streuner | heh |
| 01:00.20 | concept10 | whats that have to with a kernel patch Vasistha ? |
| 01:00.21 | Thorrn4 | Vasistha, what is the experimental for debian? sid? |
| 01:00.27 | enouf | !shoot changes to DST |
| 01:00.30 | Vasistha | tessier_: I'd imagine if you're running ntpdate it ought to take care of it for you |
| 01:00.36 | streuner | !tell Thron4 about experimental |
| 01:00.44 | abrotman | tessier_: patch went in a while ago |
| 01:00.45 | streuner | !tell Thorrn4 about experimental |
| 01:00.56 | tessier_ | Vasistha: I am running ntpd. But this has to do with the timezone data files. |
| 01:01.02 | dkr | tessier_: the latest update to libc6 had the tzdata updates for us DST changes |
| 01:01.17 | tessier_ | abrotman: So that means 3.1 out of the box, no. I need to do an upgrade I guess. |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | tessier_: it means |
| 01:01.41 | abrotman | !info libc6 sarge |
| 01:01.47 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 (sarge), Packaged size: 4911 kB, Installed size: 15624 kB |
| 01:01.54 | abrotman | AFAIK .. has it |
| 01:02.00 | Vasistha | concept10: What you're looking for is a splash image behind the textmode bootup text, right? I think the only way to get that splash image is with a kernel patch, though I may be wrong |
| 01:02.25 | abrotman | or wait .. does sarge have it split out ... |
| 01:02.33 | abrotman | nah .. i think that's etch/sid |
| 01:02.38 | dkr | no, it doesn't |
| 01:02.45 | concept10 | Vasistha, I dont want a "spalsh", I want the normal bird sitting on top of the kernel messages |
| 01:02.54 | concept10 | *splash |
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| 01:03.09 | Vasistha | "bird"? |
| 01:03.10 | dkr | glibc (2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5) " ... This includes DST rules for West Australia and support for the "Energy Policy Act 2005" |
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| 01:03.31 | dkr | energy polcy act 2050 is one that modifed DST for USA in 2007 |
| 01:03.34 | dkr | 2005 |
| 01:03.39 | concept10 | Vasistha, Tux == penguin == bird :) |
| 01:03.40 | enouf | bird? |
| 01:03.57 | Vasistha | concept10: and where/when does it appear? |
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| 01:04.09 | streuner | enouf: penguins are bird who cannot fly ;-) |
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| 01:05.01 | enouf | streuner: I know .. so are emus, but you never hear someone call tux a "bird", you hear penguin, or tux ;-) |
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| 01:05.12 | streuner | haha |
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| 01:06.28 | streuner | danm, is a penguin really a 'bird'? |
| 01:06.35 | concept10 | see you have snakes on a plane |
| 01:06.36 | Vasistha | well... yes. |
| 01:06.49 | concept10 | it doesnt say "which" kind of snake |
| 01:06.53 | rahul | emus on a plane? |
| 01:06.59 | concept10 | I want bird on kernel messages |
| 01:07.03 | rahul | a penguin is a bird |
| 01:07.16 | rahul | speaking of birds |
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| 01:07.20 | rahul | I should call some girls |
| 01:07.27 | Vasistha | concept10: is this, like, ascii art? or is it a graphical background image? |
| 01:07.46 | concept10 | Vasistha, gimme a sec to dig it up |
| 01:07.46 | streuner | rahul: hehe |
| 01:07.48 | Vasistha | rahul: hens or chicks? ;-) |
| 01:07.57 | streuner | rahul: indeed, they are birds |
| 01:08.27 | rahul | heh |
| 01:08.29 | rahul | chicks |
| 01:08.40 | rahul | some more spankable than others. |
| 01:09.09 | concept10 | Vasistha, http://flickr.com/photos/rico83/237167468/ |
| 01:09.36 | concept10 | Vasistha, better one: http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=237167468&size=l |
| 01:10.42 | dkr | dpkg dst change is Support for DST change in USA 2007 is provided by libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 in sarge and tzdata-2006p-1 in etch. 'zdump -v /etc/localtime|grep 2007' should show March 11 and Nov 4 (instead of April/October). If you've recently updated, restart any daemons relying on /etc/localtime or reboot. |
| 01:10.43 | dpkg | okay, dkr |
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| 01:11.47 | Vasistha | concept10: hum, I've seen that before, though I don't think I've seen it on a debian system. Again, I say, it might need a kernel patch, although I don't really know. |
| 01:12.27 | concept10 | Vasistha, I havent seen it on a Debian system either, thats why im looking for the option in menuconfig |
| 01:13.58 | empath | :o |
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| 01:16.04 | phorce1 | so, on a Woody machine (or any other linux box that I don't have a clear update path for) is replacing the "/usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Central" zoneinfo file enough to handle the DST issue? It seems to work as [date --date="Mar 11 15:00:00 UTC 2007"] returns a local time/date showing CDT and a 1 hour offset from the same command issued for Mar 10 @ 15:00 |
| 01:16.41 | fsmunoz | You lost are all going to implode due to this DST thing, ehe. |
| 01:16.47 | fsmunoz | s/lost/lot/ |
| 01:16.54 | abrotman | wait .. DST change is this weekend ? |
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| 01:17.08 | fsmunoz | Missiles, chaos, destruction... |
| 01:17.09 | Vasistha | concept10: here's *something* ... this was the first google result for tux logo bootup http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Linux_Logo_Hack#Do_it_Right |
| 01:17.12 | phorce1 | abrotman: yep |
| 01:17.26 | abrotman | stupid clocks |
| 01:17.44 | amphi | concept10: it's just a kernel option |
| 01:18.13 | phorce1 | fsmunoz: not really, I'll set my TZ to something "neutral" and handle the change by hand if I have to. It's only twice a year |
| 01:18.17 | AWOSLappy | yes. |
| 01:18.21 | concept10 | amphi, I know that, I couldnt find it.. thanks Vasistha |
| 01:18.25 | amphi | concept10: CONFIG_LOGO - thanks be to ghod, it's not enabled in debian kernels |
| 01:18.44 | AWOSLappy | Is there a kernel patch? |
| 01:18.49 | concept10 | amphi, ghod? |
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| 01:18.51 | AWOSLappy | does 2.6.15-28 support the new TZ? |
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| 01:19.01 | concept10 | amphi, a DD? |
| 01:19.19 | phorce1 | I was just wondering if that's all that is needed, placing an updated zoneinfo file in the proper location. |
| 01:19.27 | amphi | concept10: a sky-ghost, don't worry about it |
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| 01:19.51 | concept10 | Vasistha, I knew I should have checked there, gentoo has the best wiki around |
| 01:20.02 | abrotman | AWOSLappy: that kernel isn't in debian |
| 01:20.19 | AWOSLappy | O_o |
| 01:20.29 | fsmunoz | phorce1, yes, I see. Fortunatly DST has been fixed here for around 10 years, but I still remember when in 3 years the time went from UTC->CET->UTC without prior warning. |
| 01:20.34 | AWOSLappy | ah right |
| 01:20.37 | AWOSLappy | mistype |
| 01:20.40 | AWOSLappy | 2.6.15-23 |
| 01:21.05 | Vasistha | is *any* 2.6.15 kernel in debian? |
| 01:21.14 | streuner | no |
| 01:21.30 | phorce1 | AWOSLappy: The kernel doen't seem to give a snot anyway. For sarge it's a libc6 update (which is probably to incorporate other changes). In etch it's just a tzdata update |
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| 01:21.44 | streuner | they are too old, and not in the mirrors anymore... |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | AWOSLappy: that kernel isn't in debian |
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| 01:22.00 | streuner | even 2.6.17 kernels aren't |
| 01:22.05 | abrotman | AWOSLappy: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 01:22.49 | AWOSLappy | 2.3.6 |
| 01:22.54 | abrotman | the full line |
| 01:22.57 | Vasistha | streuner: according to this, etch will ship with 2.6.17 : http://www.us.debian.org/News/2006/20060724 |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | Vasistha: it lies |
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| 01:23.21 | streuner | Vasistha: 2.6.18 |
| 01:23.29 | abrotman | Vasistha: according to the news release .. etch was supposed to release in december :) |
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| 01:23.34 | AWOSLappy | ii libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 01:23.43 | Vasistha | well, "lying" is not quite the same as "false prediction" :-) |
| 01:24.02 | abrotman | AWOSLappy: then you'd ask #ubuntu about DST .. not us |
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| 01:24.28 | AWOSLappy | I know, I freaked when I looked down at the channel bar :x |
| 01:24.30 | AWOSLappy | sorry |
| 01:24.56 | subopt | My Alt keys aren't mapped as Meta in my shiny new Debian/Etch. Is this the norm? having to do Esc-b to go back a word? Or do i just have the wrong keymapping or some such? |
| 01:25.52 | Vasistha | subopt: hmm, alt works for me, both in konsole and in textmode terminal |
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| 01:26.31 | phorce1 | what apt-sources are still around for Woody? Are there any security updates still flitting about? I have ONE machine that I'm not ready to update yet. The standard sources.list stanzas that are still on it get a bunch of 404 errors |
| 01:26.43 | subopt | What's the command to reconfigure my keyboard? |
| 01:26.59 | streuner | !keymap |
| 01:26.59 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 01:27.28 | subopt | streuner: thanks. |
| 01:27.29 | Vasistha | phorce1: there are no longer security updates for woody, but there may still be a source archive around, it just will be outdated |
| 01:27.30 | streuner | phorce1: woody was supported one year after sarge released.. |
| 01:27.59 | streuner | phorce1: those packages should be in 'archive' |
| 01:28.17 | enouf | !sdn |
| 01:28.18 | dpkg | hmm... sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 01:28.43 | concept10 | when building a kernel, and the default config has all of these different soundcard/etc drivers as modules, I dont need these right? Seems to take up disk space for a lot of modules I dont need |
| 01:28.44 | streuner | nah, sdn hasn't any woody packages anymore, IIRC |
| 01:29.01 | aeronadix | so HP is making big buck off debian, 25million they reported |
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| 01:29.17 | phorce1 | streuner, Vasistha :OK, not tat worried about it. it does what it's supposed to do and the manual update of the TZ data file seems to have worked on it (though the acid test will be in a few days). |
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| 01:30.11 | abrotman | streuner: archive.debian.org |
| 01:30.31 | fsmunoz | aeronadix, do you know details about their Debian offering? |
| 01:30.37 | pyrohotdog | Why does Wired tell me my audio device is in use, when it's the only prgoram (other than a terminal) running? |
| 01:30.41 | streuner | abrotman: well, i think somebody who's using woody would know about... |
| 01:30.59 | aeronadix | fsmunoz, no, just read an article, said they support debian internationally, and they making millions |
| 01:31.10 | fsmunoz | aeronadix, I only installed RH and SLES on HP iron... apps+support thing. Curious on how they cover the price/support angle |
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| 01:31.20 | tuv | is it safe to upgrade libc6 while programs are running? is there a chance they behave erroneously as a result? |
| 01:31.33 | jmalicki_ | umm, depends, yes. |
| 01:31.33 | streuner | sure |
| 01:31.36 | streuner | its safe |
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| 01:31.40 | aeronadix | fsmunoz, they say they like debian better, cause they get to keep all the money, and don't have to pay rh or suse anything |
| 01:31.41 | jmalicki_ | if it's a minor upgrade you'll be fine |
| 01:31.49 | jmalicki_ | as long as binary interfaces haven't changed |
| 01:31.55 | jmalicki_ | like a security update is cool |
| 01:31.55 | fsmunoz | aeronadix, yes, I had hread that also, Debian supported as an HP bundled offering... and likely with HP as SP of Contact, etc |
| 01:31.56 | streuner | heh |
| 01:31.57 | jmalicki_ | 2.2 to 2.3 is not. |
| 01:32.07 | phorce1 | streuner: It's a machine that just plods along doing its thing. Never worried about updates til the TZ thing came up. |
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| 01:32.12 | EdLin | ArmEagle: it's more than just money as far as we're concerned. |
| 01:32.39 | EdLin | oops, meant aeronadix |
| 01:32.56 | aeronadix | fsmunoz, But hp guys are pure proprietary fuckers and don't hire you if you aint with the "program" |
| 01:33.09 | aeronadix | EdLin, what you mean? |
| 01:33.23 | tuv | 2.3.6.ds1-10 to -13 |
| 01:33.31 | tuv | oops.. -11 to -13 |
| 01:33.41 | aeronadix | program meaning, you don't call human rights |
| 01:33.43 | EdLin | aeronadix: the price of Debian is only one of it's features, and is really minor when it comes to the business sector compared to ease of administration wrt Debian |
| 01:34.31 | EdLin | hp used to be a good place to work. Thanks Carley. |
| 01:34.31 | aeronadix | yeah, but I saw that redhat and suse, and others, also have a type of apt-get utility to install packages online on the fly like that. I never tried it, so I don't know if it works as well, but they got it |
| 01:34.31 | fsmunoz | aeronadix, eh, most companies are. in a way or the other... I'm close to sign in with a big one, and I know the drill... Still, some are better then the others, and in a couple of them the free softwsre and GNU/Linux perspective is gaining ground as a valid business proposotion... |
| 01:34.48 | Vasistha | abrotman: btw, I have a "late" answer to a question of yours... |
| 01:34.54 | Vasistha | [Tue Jul 4 2006] [19:49:24] <abrotman> Vasistha: How do I install IE on Debian? |
| 01:35.04 | EdLin | aeronadix: a) it's not as good b) the packages aren't quality tested enough |
| 01:35.06 | Vasistha | http://webexpose.org/2007/01/07/internet-explorer-7-on-linux/ |
| 01:35.11 | subopt | !xev |
| 01:35.11 | dpkg | methinks xev is in the xbase-clients package |
| 01:35.13 | streuner | !tell Vashistha about ask |
| 01:35.27 | streuner | !tell Vasistha about ask |
| 01:35.28 | abrotman | Vasistha: did i laugh at you or tell you to google ? |
| 01:35.32 | aeronadix | EdLin, yeah I didn't think so |
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| 01:35.41 | aeronadix | redhat is a real bitch for dependencies |
| 01:35.49 | subopt | !drxx |
| 01:35.49 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 01:35.50 | streuner | we don't care |
| 01:35.59 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 01:35.59 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 01:36.10 | streuner | tell news, dpkg ;-) |
| 01:36.20 | Vasistha | abrotman: oh, the question was posed as a part of making fun of someone else. |
| 01:36.31 | aeronadix | fsmunoz, so who you signing with? |
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| 01:36.34 | abrotman | Vasistha: oh .. i knew a long time ago you could run IE in wine |
| 01:37.00 | fsmunoz | aeronadix, can't tell right now, sorry bro... gimme a month, I'll be here. |
| 01:37.04 | aeronadix | abrotman, hey, you are a good man, you have helped me many time, nuff respect |
| 01:37.18 | aeronadix | fsmunoz, I hope you get it sir |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | i have ? |
| 01:37.28 | aeronadix | abrotman, yep |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:37.52 | abrotman | fsmunoz: or they'll lock you in the closet |
| 01:38.01 | aeronadix | abrotman, I think you helped me set up ipmasq or something |
| 01:38.14 | abrotman | it's possible :) |
| 01:38.22 | streuner | hm |
| 01:38.23 | fsmunoz | aeronadix, ehehehehe |
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| 01:38.43 | waspius | !etch |
| 01:38.44 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 01:39.03 | waspius | !etch upgrade |
| 01:39.23 | streuner | waspius: /msg dpkg <factoid> would work too... |
| 01:39.31 | waspius | ok thanx |
| 01:39.32 | abrotman | !tell waspius about sarge->etch |
| 01:39.39 | waspius | thanx |
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| 01:40.02 | waspius | abrotman: last time i tried to upgrade i could not load x-server |
| 01:40.07 | fsmunoz | aeronadix, interestingly involvement in free software (like, in my case, Debian and GNU/Linux), activity within the community, etc. is something that can gain one or two points in some interviews. I feel like I'm being rewarded twice. |
| 01:40.18 | abrotman | waspius: eh .. ok |
| 01:40.23 | waspius | i am hoping something went wrong that time |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | fsmunoz: you lie! |
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| 01:40.58 | fsmunoz | abrotman, generally I do, yes, but what are you refering to more exactly? :) |
| 01:41.10 | abrotman | about getting points! |
| 01:41.19 | fsmunoz | abrotman, you think so? |
| 01:41.27 | abrotman | i have no idea .. |
| 01:41.36 | abrotman | maybe it's just that noone likes me :) |
| 01:41.38 | EdLin | fsmunoz: UNC got more points in the UNC-Duke game than you. |
| 01:41.39 | aeronadix | fsmunoz, for sure, people who make an impact in gnu community can get job easy. THey are some of the best programmers out there infact |
| 01:42.10 | fsmunoz | EdLin, I'm sure that that comparison makes sense to someone who know ehat UNC and Duke are. |
| 01:42.21 | fsmunoz | EdLin, but you are right |
| 01:42.26 | EdLin | fsmunoz: it should be obvious that at least one is a university. |
| 01:42.29 | abrotman | fsmunoz: .us Uni basketball teams |
| 01:42.34 | fsmunoz | EdLin, I'm not a good example, I was talking in general terms... |
| 01:42.52 | fsmunoz | Ahh, I suspected football |
| 01:43.02 | EdLin | fsmunoz: they play both, football badly. |
| 01:43.18 | streuner | abrotman: no way! |
| 01:43.30 | abrotman | i don't know .. maybe they only play futbol |
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| 01:43.36 | streuner | abrotman: they play soccer |
| 01:43.37 | waspius | abrotman: i get a message saying some packages have unmet dependencies..what do i do? |
| 01:43.47 | abrotman | show us the error |
| 01:43.49 | abrotman | !paster |
| 01:43.49 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 01:44.03 | abrotman | streuner: i saw you guys have some incest case in the courts |
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| 01:44.18 | subopt | If i install a new keymap do i have to via "dpkg-reconfigure console-data", do i have to reboot before it takes effect? |
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| 01:44.26 | sorl_ | how can i tell what svn version i have checked out? |
| 01:44.30 | abrotman | subopt: probably at least logout/login |
| 01:44.36 | abrotman | sorl_: svn --version ? |
| 01:44.43 | fsmunoz | EdLin, my point was not about self promotion *at all*. If anything I'm average. I was making a general assertion on the change in perspective in what regards community involvement. |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | sorl_: dpkg -l svn ? |
| 01:44.51 | waspius | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5564. |
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| 01:45.00 | EdLin | fsmunoz: there you go again, talking about points. |
| 01:45.02 | sorl_ | abrotman, i mean for a checked out code |
| 01:45.14 | fsmunoz | EdLin, I didn't talk about points... |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | waspius: try an apt-get update .. then try your command again |
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| 01:45.27 | abrotman | sorl_: oh .. ask #svn |
| 01:45.29 | waspius | abrotman: ok |
| 01:45.39 | mne | is there a way to make apache2 read it's config from a database ? I would like to dynamically create subdomains (with vhosts). |
| 01:45.42 | EdLin | anyhow.... |
| 01:45.54 | roe__ | I am sure this channel has been abuz about it, did debian patch the DST issue yet? |
| 01:45.56 | waspius | abrotman: same thing |
| 01:45.59 | waspius | so updates |
| 01:46.02 | waspius | no updates |
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| 01:46.19 | phorce1 | on a sarge or etch box if I want to run an in-house ntp server would anyone suggest one daemon over another? ntp? openntpd? |
| 01:46.23 | abrotman | waspius: go to /var/lib/apt/lists/ .. what files do you see ? |
| 01:46.30 | abrotman | phorce1: ntpd is easy enough |
| 01:46.56 | streuner | phorce1: why do you want this, those ntp-servers are just fine? |
| 01:47.12 | abrotman | streuner: i run one in my office |
| 01:47.26 | waspius | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5565. |
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| 01:48.26 | abrotman | waspius: move all except the lock/partial directories somewhere else temporarily .. like /tmp/ |
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| 01:49.52 | phorce1 | streuner: Just wondering if one was easier to set up after the 'apt-get install' stage |
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| 01:52.34 | waspius | abrotman: the same error |
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| 01:52.45 | waspius | abrotman: wait |
| 01:52.59 | waspius | does mv mean move or something else? |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | move |
| 01:53.25 | waspius | so why are they still in the folder? |
| 01:53.27 | phorce1 | streuner: we've been running a mix of individual machines using ntpdate and others using something called "K-9" that was left over from an old admin and Windows boxes using the windows ntp stuff with default servers. They always manage to get a few minutes difference between updates across the 17 machines. I want to set up a single in-house server for all others to update off of. |
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| 01:53.40 | SuckFace | howdy DCC SEND "JEWS_DID_WTC" right |
| 01:53.47 | waspius | now i have a copy in tmp as well |
| 01:53.49 | waspius | :S |
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| 01:54.05 | SuckFace | why do people quit when i'm around DCC SEND "JEWS_DID_WTC" right |
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| 01:54.22 | waspius | should i delete the? |
| 01:54.25 | waspius | them |
| 01:54.29 | abrotman | !ops SuckFace idiot |
| 01:54.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: SuckFace idiot |
| 01:54.33 | rpc | SuckFace why do you tell us about it in debian channel? who cares you think? |
| 01:54.48 | abrotman | waspius: nope |
| 01:54.53 | SuckFace | rpc sorry DCC SEND "JEWS_DID_WTC" right |
| 01:55.00 | SuckFace | what did i do to piss u off tho? DCC SEND "JEWS_DID_WTC" right |
| 01:55.05 | abrotman | it's not working idiot |
| 01:55.10 | abrotman | nalioth: ping |
| 01:55.19 | rpc | SuckFace you put offtopic stuff in the channel and we don't like that |
| 01:55.23 | abrotman | bah .. noone is alive .. |
| 01:55.26 | fsmunoz | What is the suppose effect of that idiocy? |
| 01:55.30 | SuckFace | you gonna do somethinga bout it, nigger? DCC SEND "JEWS_DID_WTC" right |
| 01:55.37 | abrotman | fsmunoz: people with broken routers get a reset .. |
| 01:55.37 | Scrlk | Question: what are the list i should add to my testing installation to my source.list Also i am trying to isntall vncserver. But it says broken packages vncserver:depends: xserver-common. |
| 01:56.06 | Scrlk | so i apt-get install xserver-common and it says its complete.. bt when i try to do the same thing again it gives me the same error |
| 01:56.08 | fsmunoz | abrotman, right.. how bizarre... |
| 01:56.18 | rpc | !ops SuckFace multiple insults and general lameness |
| 01:56.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rpc complains about: SuckFace multiple insults and general lameness |
| 01:56.20 | Ankman | Scrlk: install apt-spy and run it, it benchmarks servers and writes you a sources.list |
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| 01:56.23 | SuckFace | wtf DCC SEND "JEWS_DID_WTC" right |
| 01:56.27 | SuckFace | stop it DCC SEND "JEWS_DID_WTC" right |
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| 01:56.40 | b0xer | hi |
| 01:56.41 | Ankman | you just need to tell it with -d what you use (stabile, testing...) |
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| 01:57.09 | waspius | abrotman: in order to change access to a folder do i write chmod u+w |
| 01:57.15 | b0xer | anyone know how can I turn off the update of resolv.conf if I get the ip with dhcp? |
| 01:57.17 | abrotman | waspius: that's not the problem |
| 01:57.27 | waspius | abrotman: that is why they did not move |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | b0xer: it's in your dhcp client conf file |
| 01:58.57 | fsmunoz | b0xer, do you use dhclient? |
| 01:58.57 | abrotman | waspius: uhm ... |
| 01:58.57 | dummy | is 2.6.20 good |
| 01:58.58 | abrotman | waspius: do you get the ICE error every time ? |
| 01:58.58 | dummy | is that still 2.6.20-1 ? |
| 01:58.58 | b0xer | yes |
| 01:58.58 | waspius | the ice error is the one i showed u? |
| 01:58.59 | EdLin | !u |
| 01:58.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | waspius: yes |
| 01:58.59 | waspius | abrotman: whenever i try to upgrade yes |
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| 01:59.11 | waspius | conflicts on dependencies |
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| 01:59.54 | waspius | abrotman: should i try changing removing the files from the folder and then trying upgrade again?/ |
| 02:00.10 | abrotman | i guess .. though you really shouldn't need to .. |
| 02:00.14 | Scrlk | what about the vnc problem i am having? |
| 02:00.25 | fsmunoz | b0xer, man dhclient.conf , especially the "request" parameter IIRC |
| 02:00.37 | waspius | so the command is chmod u+w /folder ? |
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| 02:00.50 | abrotman | waspius: don't change permissions |
| 02:01.03 | waspius | abrotman: then how will i remove them? |
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| 02:01.29 | b0xer | if I don't define require then it won't update my ip? |
| 02:02.15 | waspius | abrotman: should i try with the command apt-upgrade? |
| 02:02.17 | abrotman | waspius: hrm ... |
| 02:02.20 | b0xer | I will fill out the option domain-name-servers |
| 02:02.20 | b0xer | and don't define anything else |
| 02:02.36 | abrotman | Scrlk: paste your sources somewhere we can see them |
| 02:02.42 | b0xer | then it will automatically request the missing stuff? |
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| 02:03.54 | fsmunoz | b0xer, you should request everything necessary except the domain-name-servers, yes. I think that it's the way to do what you want. |
| 02:03.54 | abrotman | waspius: you're on sarge trying to upgrade to etch ? |
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| 02:04.04 | waspius | abrotman: yes |
| 02:04.40 | waspius | abrotman: from what i know at least |
| 02:04.42 | abrotman | waspius: try it interactively |
| 02:04.49 | waspius | abrotman: meaning |
| 02:05.26 | abrotman | run aptitude .. and see if you can hit 'u' and have it see the files |
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| 02:06.02 | Scrlk | the source thing is still going |
| 02:06.10 | waspius | abrotman: i can |
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| 02:06.27 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm still worn out from hiking in the snow on saturday :) |
| 02:06.43 | jetscreamer | me, i just don't have a life |
| 02:06.49 | abrotman | b0xer: please die |
| 02:06.52 | jetscreamer | die b0xer die |
| 02:06.55 | jetscreamer | jinx |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | jetscreamer: don't your kids miss you ? |
| 02:07.28 | jetscreamer | heh... did you miss your dad when you were 16? |
| 02:07.41 | jetscreamer | or 18? |
| 02:07.50 | Scrlk | how long does that benchmark normaly takes? |
| 02:07.51 | waspius | abrotman: i can see the files..what should i do?the command apt-upgrade also works..what i do? |
| 02:07.55 | abrotman | miss ? i was in uni at 18 |
| 02:08.11 | n3kl | whats the command to set the locale? |
| 02:08.16 | jetscreamer | but that's why i don't have a life... i get to support them...the 18yr old graduates hs this year |
| 02:08.19 | Ankman | jesus |
| 02:08.19 | abrotman | waspius: are you working from a console or via X ? |
| 02:08.22 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:08.39 | waspius | abrotman: konsole |
| 02:08.45 | n3kl | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 02:09.01 | Vasistha | waspius: well, first of all, you shouldn't try to do a dist-upgrade while x is running |
| 02:09.03 | jetscreamer | n3kl: i like to dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data at the same time |
| 02:09.04 | b0xer | not today |
| 02:09.04 | b0xer | :/ |
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| 02:09.24 | duncf | suppose i have a filesystem that df is reporting as 0 disk space available. Now suppose I delete stuff from it and df still reports it as full.... what's going on? |
| 02:09.42 | karsten | duncf: Don't delete files, empty them. |
| 02:09.45 | jetscreamer | you didn't delete very much? |
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| 02:09.48 | abrotman | duncf: sync |
| 02:09.53 | waspius | abrotman: ok so what should i do |
| 02:10.04 | karsten | duncf: Deleting a file that's still open for writing doesn't free the space. |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | waspius: apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 02:10.22 | jetscreamer | what took you so long |
| 02:10.27 | duncf | these are old backups using dirvish |
| 02:10.31 | jetscreamer | i've been cursing aptitude since day 1 |
| 02:10.37 | Vasistha | duncf: well, one possibility is that you've got a process that's writing log files that are filling up the space again as fast as you deleted some files. |
| 02:10.40 | karsten | duncf: ... the filehandle's still in use, and now you've lost the ability to actually free contents easily. |
| 02:10.44 | abrotman | jetscreamer: htf are people supposed to use the "recommended" upgrade method when it doesn't work! |
| 02:10.47 | karsten | duncf: lsof | grep deleted |
| 02:10.56 | abrotman | jetscreamer: and i'm not even tlaking about the interactive method |
| 02:10.58 | duncf | that's not it |
| 02:11.05 | karsten | duncf: ... will show any open, deleted, files. |
| 02:11.06 | jetscreamer | --with-suggests --with-recommends? |
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| 02:11.13 | jetscreamer | one got deprecated afaik |
| 02:11.18 | duncf | karsten: these files werent open |
| 02:11.23 | waspius | abrotman: and after the installation is finished do i need to do anything else? |
| 02:11.24 | Vasistha | duncf: another possibility is that the files are hardlinked elsewhere on the volume, or that the file handle is in use, as karsten suggested |
| 02:11.33 | abrotman | waspius: probably bitch at aptitude some wmore |
| 02:11.41 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 02:11.41 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until it exits.. |
| 02:12.00 | waspius | abrotman: thanx for the help |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | waspius: don't thank me til it's done |
| 02:12.15 | duncf | wierd, I can still write to the disk, even though df says its full |
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| 02:12.23 | waspius | abrotman: ") |
| 02:12.39 | jetscreamer | duncf: did you type sync? |
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| 02:13.10 | duncf | jetscreamer: yes, I've also unmounted, fscked and remounted the fs |
| 02:13.21 | karsten | duncf: You can also look for large files on the tree: ls -lR | sort -k5nr,5 | less |
| 02:13.43 | karsten | duncf: To empty files: cat /dev/null > filename (or just >filename) |
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| 02:14.17 | karsten | duncf: Root has a 5-10% overage allotment. |
| 02:14.34 | karsten | duncf: Essentially: file space at "disk full" still allows about 5% additional space to be used. |
| 02:14.40 | jetscreamer | aka 5-10% is reserved just for root |
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| 02:14.54 | duncf | karsten: but then df wouldn't report 0 blocks available, IIRC |
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| 02:15.05 | keram | hey |
| 02:15.05 | rpc | is it a hard to get ndiswrapper to work for a particular windows nic driver? |
| 02:15.10 | rpc | hard work* |
| 02:15.13 | keram | is there a package libsndfile? |
| 02:15.14 | jetscreamer | mine says 0 as user |
| 02:15.30 | fsmunoz | rpc, I tried it once, it was rather easy... |
| 02:15.36 | rpc | fsmunoz hm |
| 02:15.38 | karsten | duncf: One of us is mistaken then. |
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| 02:15.59 | rpc | fsmunoz i just see a bunch of packages to install and not sure if i need them all |
| 02:16.12 | abrotman | keram: yes |
| 02:16.17 | abrotman | !info libsndfile1 etch |
| 02:16.21 | fsmunoz | rpc, was expecting some aggro, but it was merely a question of choosing the right windows driver versions. ndiswrapper itself if simple. |
| 02:16.23 | dpkg | libsndfile1: (Library for reading/writing audio files), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.16-1 (etch), Packaged size: 194 kB, Installed size: 464 kB |
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| 02:16.29 | jetscreamer | keram: apt-cache search <searchterm> |
| 02:16.30 | keram | abrotman, thanks! |
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| 02:16.43 | fsmunoz | rpc, can't remember, I just installed ndiswrapper and the deps... |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | keram: apt-cache search libsnd .. amazing eh ? :) |
| 02:16.58 | keram | i tried that actually but i got nothing i duno whats up |
| 02:17.06 | keram | ohh |
| 02:17.13 | keram | i forgot the d :/ |
| 02:17.16 | rpc | fsmunoz hm and i also wonder what happens if the driver doesn't work... is the change permament or will it disappear on reboot and back to linux driver? |
| 02:17.16 | dosingrat | Hello |
| 02:17.20 | duncf | karsten: i suppose so :-) anyways thanks for the help, i'm glad i wasn't missing the obvious :-) |
| 02:18.16 | fsmunoz | rpc, you need to "connect" the driver with a command... can be done by a supplied init script, but it's separated from linux modules, it's more like a kind of firmware |
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| 02:18.30 | fsmunoz | rpc, you use the CLI tool to list, add and remove the drivers. |
| 02:18.35 | Kronuz | hello |
| 02:18.39 | rpc | fsmunoz oh that sounds good |
| 02:18.45 | Kronuz | hey, has anyone had experience with FakeRAID? |
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| 02:19.00 | abrotman | Kronuz: have oyu asked #ubuntu ? |
| 02:19.05 | rpc | fsmunoz i'm very curious if and how will that work, worth playing for a while :) |
| 02:19.07 | jetscreamer | all raid is fakeraid! |
| 02:19.23 | Caelum | is there a tool that tells you what /etc files you've modified from defaults on a machine for moving to another machine? |
| 02:19.43 | Caelum | raid is for cockroaches and databases :) |
| 02:19.44 | dosingrat | Please someone give me guidelines about kernel-patches for 2.4.27, there are so many patches downloaded with apt-get when updating. Do I first apply patches (and which ones?) on a vanilla source before debianizing it, or apply patches on already debianized source ? Thank you. |
| 02:19.57 | fsmunoz | rpc, as I said, in my case - some Intel wireless with little or no support at the time - it was less than an hour work... most if it downloading and experimenting with versions of the in driver. |
| 02:20.13 | Kronuz | abrotman, yep, but nobody seems to know :( |
| 02:20.14 | jetscreamer | dosingrat: debian kernel sources have debian patches applied |
| 02:20.18 | rpc | fsmunoz very nice indeed |
| 02:20.24 | jetscreamer | dosingrat: why not 2.6 btw |
| 02:20.24 | abrotman | Kronuz: install debian .. then come back and ask |
| 02:20.26 | fsmunoz | rpc, then I did a connect, it appwared as wlan0 with WPA and everything, from then on it was as it was "native" |
| 02:20.36 | rpc | fsmunoz but what i will try to do is to run a regular nic driver, not wireless... hope that can work as well |
| 02:20.51 | croddy | dosingrat: you probably want to check out the --added-patches option for make-kpkg |
| 02:21.09 | fsmunoz | rpc, are there NIC's that haven't got a Linux driver these days? |
| 02:21.14 | dosingrat | So I don't need to apply patches myself, all right. |
| 02:21.14 | rpc | from what you are saying it really is worth testing, could be a nice experience to have this "native" win32 driver he he |
| 02:21.20 | dosingrat | thank you |
| 02:21.21 | Caelum | or is there a good guide from moving from one machine to another? |
| 02:21.25 | fsmunoz | that's so 1995 |
| 02:21.31 | rpc | fsmunoz yes, realtek 8169 got a very faulty support |
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| 02:21.45 | croddy | dosingrat: no, if you are using a vanilla source and wish to apply other patches, you would debianize it first and then apply patches. but this will probably result in rejects |
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| 02:21.59 | jetscreamer | Caelum: i just zip the whole thing up from a livecd and put it on the box i want it on |
| 02:22.00 | rpc | fsmunoz pci version works very well but the single-chip one just sucks ass - slow, unstable and breaks my networking all over :( |
| 02:22.34 | rpc | fsmunoz that's because programming for that version of 8169 is a bit different and kernel guys didn't notice so far it seems... |
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| 02:22.52 | rpc | it's strange as it's used e.g. in Acer notebooks etc. |
| 02:22.55 | Caelum | jetscreamer: I was thinking copy dpkg selections, /home, /root, /usr/local and manually go through the /etc files I'm interested in |
| 02:23.13 | jetscreamer | that works too, done that |
| 02:23.17 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 02:23.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 02:23.20 | fsmunoz | rpc, I think I saw that one in an Accer laptop... even Windows didn't liked it (and before SP2 didn't recognized it). I always suspect a NIC that needs to install an entire application to "control" it. |
| 02:23.28 | jetscreamer | the second method eh |
| 02:23.32 | rpc | fsmunoz hmm... |
| 02:23.40 | rpc | fsmunoz if so, i'm screwed. |
| 02:23.42 | Caelum | excellent, I'll do that then thank you |
| 02:24.13 | jetscreamer | that factoid doesn't include custom .confs or home or root or local though |
| 02:24.18 | jetscreamer | so what you said |
| 02:24.26 | jetscreamer | (same thing) |
| 02:24.28 | fsmunoz | rpc, but that one worked in Linux. Can't vouch for quality, I'm a bit all or nothing in judging nics, either I see Google homepage or I dont... |
| 02:25.12 | rpc | fsmunoz i'm goggling since last week... |
| 02:25.25 | rpc | googling* |
| 02:25.36 | fsmunoz | rpc, it was probably a different NIC then |
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| 02:33.24 | rpc | fsmunoz hmm... i have just found a fresh linux 2.6 driver for that card... release 11/06 |
| 02:33.39 | rpc | worth trying as i don't think it is already in 2.6.20-1? |
| 02:34.14 | fsmunoz | rpc, likely not.. wat's the module name? |
| 02:34.20 | rpc | r8169 |
| 02:34.47 | rpc | it's a really stinking problem, the card acts like a 10mbit one or worse plus it sucks off powerful dual core cpu |
| 02:35.03 | rpc | and no one to help, i'm crying out for help nearly |
| 02:35.16 | fsmunoz | The version I have here is 2.2LK-NAPI |
| 02:35.29 | rpc | hm yes... that's what i run there at the moment |
| 02:35.35 | rpc | or was it 2.1, just a sec |
| 02:35.52 | fsmunoz | If that ine is indeed newer it's probably worht a shot |
| 02:35.59 | rpc | r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.2LK-NAPI loaded |
| 02:36.32 | rpc | i just wanted to browse realtek site for windows driver for ndis... but i found fresh r8169 for linux, i do hope it will work.... |
| 02:36.59 | rpc | thing is that i know zero about compiling custom modules |
| 02:37.08 | abrotman | HI |
| 02:37.14 | dmlb2000 | Okay, I have a local file:// repository in my sources.list and I want to Pin it above the debian unstable repository what do I have to put in the /etc/apt/preferences to get that to work? |
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| 02:37.45 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 02:37.45 | dpkg | apt-pinning is probably read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 02:37.56 | fsmunoz | rpc, module-assistant might be of help |
| 02:38.48 | rpc | hm |
| 02:38.59 | fsmunoz | rpc, linux-headers for you kernel version at least is needed |
| 02:39.05 | rpc | trying... |
| 02:39.11 | rpc | yes, just got them too |
| 02:39.17 | rpc | swo far i made it to depmod -a |
| 02:39.19 | rpc | so* |
| 02:39.29 | fsmunoz | Ahh, ok |
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| 02:40.15 | rpc | oh hrhmm... - Supports Jumbo Frame |
| 02:40.23 | rpc | damn it! the actual module doesn't... |
| 02:40.44 | rpc | so it really is a newer driver with some extras |
| 02:41.29 | karsten | duncf: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5566 |
| 02:41.31 | n3kl | Ok, this is the secon time I am doing this, what am I doing wrong? I just used debootstrap to load a server, booted the server, install mysql-client, imeadiately get perl:warning please check that you locale settings are usppoedter and installed on your system. so I install the locales and configure them and I am still getting the message. ANy ideas? |
| 02:41.42 | karsten | duncf: FYI on space limitations as applies to rootly and non-rootly users. |
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| 02:43.33 | dmlb2000 | abrotman: Okay instead of pinning every other repository down I'd like to put the local file one up to 999 but I can't since all the preferences examples I've ever seen are based off the release and origin lines in the output of apt-cache policy |
| 02:43.45 | dmlb2000 | and file repositories don't have either of those lines |
| 02:43.47 | jepler | hi. I package my software in debian format, but I'm not an expert. I'm trying to figure out what to change in my debian/rules or other file to fix this problem during the build: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libemcini.so.0 |
| 02:43.51 | rpc | how can i get more info on a particular module? like version etc. |
| 02:43.58 | jepler | libemcini.so is a file that is provided by and used by the package I am building. |
| 02:44.03 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 02:44.04 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 02:44.21 | fsmunoz | Night all. Best of luck there rpc | |
| 02:44.32 | rpc | night and thank you very much fsmunoz |
| 02:44.53 | dmlb2000 | jepler: is your package using libtool to make its shared objects? |
| 02:44.59 | jepler | dmlb2000: no |
| 02:45.21 | dmlb2000 | jepler: you should autoconf your package first then all those debhelper things will work perfectly ;) |
| 02:45.22 | karsten | rpc: Best bet is to check the sources your kernel was built from. |
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| 02:45.30 | Smoked1_ | I upgraded to etch the other day. If I change my sources.list file to stable or sarge and do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade will that downgrade me without issue? |
| 02:45.39 | jepler | dmlb2000: that option is not on the table -- any other advice? |
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| 02:45.53 | karsten | rpc: There's a few places under /sys and /proc you can poke around (/proc/modules and /sys/modules/ for starters) but you'll have to know what's presented and how. |
| 02:46.03 | karsten | !downgrade |
| 02:46.04 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 02:46.17 | duncf | karsten: thanks... I see df might be confusing me |
| 02:46.26 | karsten | Smoked1_: In general, no. You simply won't upgrade (because currently installed packages are higher revs than what's in archives). |
| 02:46.36 | BUMBACL0T | what's the best filesystem for jump drives? |
| 02:46.38 | dmlb2000 | jepler: change your build system to mimic the libtool type installs, make the actual library be lib<name>.so.0.2 then symlinks for lib<name>.so.0 and lib<name>.so |
| 02:46.41 | abrotman | dmlb2000: you could also place it on hold |
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| 02:46.44 | Smoked1_ | I'll stick with etch then and avoid issues |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | !best |
| 02:46.47 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 02:47.01 | karsten | dummy: df returns "free" as "blocks free to unprivileged users". |
| 02:47.12 | dmlb2000 | abrotman: hold? heh? url to look at? |
| 02:47.18 | abrotman | !Hold |
| 02:47.18 | jepler | dmlb2000: is the problem that I only have one number in the library version? |
| 02:47.18 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 02:47.19 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:47.20 | BUMBACL0T | best, it means no lag, no nothing |
| 02:47.44 | eldowan | BUMBACL0T: there is lag on *everything* |
| 02:47.47 | dmlb2000 | jepler: yeah try adding an extra 0. in front of the version |
| 02:47.55 | rpc | is there an easy way to check what version of a given module am i using? |
| 02:48.01 | rpc | lsmod only says the name |
| 02:48.07 | dmlb2000 | rpc: modinfo |
| 02:48.12 | rpc | oh |
| 02:48.14 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: WTF is a jump drive? |
| 02:48.28 | eldowan | karsten: usb flash storage |
| 02:48.49 | abrotman | karsten: usb thingie |
| 02:49.06 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: I have a precise and accurate answer for you. |
| 02:49.10 | dmlb2000 | because they are so small they can 'jump' from computer to computer ;) |
| 02:49.11 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: "It depends". |
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| 02:49.45 | rpc | dmlb2000 it doesn't say about the CURRENT running module... just gets info for the current kernel |
| 02:49.58 | Smoked1_ | Thanks for the help guys. This channel has been much more helpful than others that I have been to. |
| 02:50.08 | rpc | dmlb2000 i just recompiled a module and would like to make sure it's running |
| 02:50.21 | Smoked1_ | y |
| 02:50.23 | mue_ | 659 people... |
| 02:50.40 | Scrlk | how long does the bnechmarking take for apt-spy? |
| 02:50.59 | dmlb2000 | rpc: best bet is to install the module rmmod them then modprobe them back |
| 02:51.02 | Smoked1_ | other channels i get some pretty screwed up responses and there are more people |
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| 02:51.25 | rpc | dmlb2000 thank you, will try that |
| 02:51.46 | mue_ | stew: i give up hope |
| 02:51.47 | dmlb2000 | rpc: unless your module spits something out in dmesg about its version (nvidia does that) |
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| 02:54.13 | rpc | dmlb2000 i tried, nothing in there |
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| 03:07.58 | waspius | abrotman: at last the upgrade finished..is there anything we need to check to be sure xserver will start if i reboot or that nothing else will go wrong? |
| 03:08.13 | abrotman | HI |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | waspius: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 03:09.33 | DEinspanjer | Hi folks, I was hoping someone might have a bright idea they'd be willing to donate to me. :) |
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| 03:10.22 | eldowan | dont stick your hand in hot grease |
| 03:10.26 | DEinspanjer | I just got remote access to my new (to me) server, and I've been trying to think of some way I could get a head start on installing an OS on it before I will actually have physical access to it. :) |
| 03:10.56 | waspius | abrotman: ok done |
| 03:11.07 | jepler | dmlb2000: I found my problem -- I was not passing -l to dh_shlibdeps |
| 03:11.15 | DEinspanjer | Using the Compaq Remote Insight software, I can mount a single 1.44 mb floppy, but I can't swap floppies in the middle of a boot. |
| 03:11.22 | abrotman | waspius: did it upgrade anything ? |
| 03:11.44 | waspius | abrotman: yes |
| 03:11.56 | abrotman | do it again |
| 03:12.00 | DEinspanjer | I tried some hackery to merge the two 1.44 Debian stable floppies into one 2.88 mb, but the virtual floppy uploader won't take more than 1.44. :( |
| 03:12.10 | waspius | abrotman: no new upgrades |
| 03:12.19 | DEinspanjer | Can anyone think of a way I might be able to get started with a net install with nothing more than a single floppy? |
| 03:12.35 | abrotman | !bless waspius |
| 03:12.35 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child waspius, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 03:12.45 | abrotman | DEinspanjer: single .. no .. |
| 03:12.50 | waspius | abrotman: lol..thanx |
| 03:12.51 | abrotman | DEinspanjer: you can't do anything else but afloppy ? |
| 03:13.11 | DEinspanjer | abrotman not through the remote insight console. :( |
| 03:13.25 | abrotman | DEinspanjer: can you fit 140MB in a floppy ? |
| 03:13.51 | DEinspanjer | lol.. if I took one out of every 10 bits.. |
| 03:14.14 | abrotman | you'd have to take a few more than that |
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| 03:14.47 | DEinspanjer | I was even wondering if I might be able to get a DSL distro running then use that to get started with a Debian net install, but I'm not sure about how to get the Debian part going. I didn't find any how-tos or such on that topic |
| 03:14.55 | DEinspanjer | err.. yeah, 1/100. thanks. ;) |
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| 03:16.24 | abrotman | they make floppy based distros .. but even debian takes two |
| 03:16.26 | abrotman | to install i mean |
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| 03:18.50 | eldowan | I've got etch installed on an Abit AB9pro. alsamixergui shows the card installed, but there is no "Master" channel. Sound comes out thinly in only the center channel. How can I correct this? |
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| 03:20.46 | waspius | abrotman: good night and thanx allot for the help..i will be back with more queries:P |
| 03:20.54 | abrotman | waspius: did it work ? |
| 03:21.04 | waspius | abrotman: i have not rebooted yet |
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| 03:21.14 | abrotman | dude .. i already had you blessed! |
| 03:21.58 | waspius | lol |
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| 03:23.44 | blazer_boy | hi, how do I install AC97 on debian? |
| 03:24.02 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 03:24.02 | dpkg | i heard alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 03:24.41 | blazer_boy | what? |
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| 03:25.32 | waspius | abrotman: how do i remove a directory that is not empty? |
| 03:25.39 | abrotman | carefully |
| 03:25.45 | mue_ | hehe |
| 03:25.49 | waspius | :) |
| 03:25.54 | mue_ | ... -r |
| 03:25.56 | waspius | i mean what is the command |
| 03:25.57 | mue_ | -R |
| 03:26.01 | mue_ | rm |
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| 03:26.05 | DEinspanjer | Ah come on, what's a little rm -rf / between friends? |
| 03:26.09 | waspius | rmdir /dir |
| 03:26.11 | nzk | Guys, I had a bad day. |
| 03:26.12 | waspius | but what else |
| 03:26.16 | nzk | Where can I go to talk about it? |
| 03:26.19 | DEinspanjer | waspius don't do that command by the way |
| 03:26.25 | abrotman | DEinspanjer: dont' do that |
| 03:26.26 | mue_ | #suicide |
| 03:26.29 | krazykit | nzk, #debian-offtopic perhaps |
| 03:26.32 | waspius | why? |
| 03:26.46 | DEinspanjer | That is the suicide command. |
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| 03:27.04 | nzk | I pissed my pants today. |
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| 03:27.09 | waspius | lol..i am doing it on a folder i want |
| 03:27.12 | DEinspanjer | by "that command" I mean the one I was typing |
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| 03:27.24 | waspius | so will anyone tell me? |
| 03:27.36 | abrotman | waspius: rm -r dir/ |
| 03:27.38 | krazykit | waspius, rm -r dir |
| 03:27.44 | waspius | thanx |
| 03:27.51 | abrotman | waspius: you must be *very* careful . you can do a lot of damage |
| 03:27.58 | waspius | abrotman: i know |
| 03:28.14 | krazykit | even more if you do it as root. |
| 03:28.30 | abrotman | krazykit: you don't have to be root to do damage |
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| 03:29.02 | krazykit | naturally, but you can wipe everything as root. |
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| 03:29.34 | thechef | it seems my xine suddenly doesn't support mp3 anymore, so i can't play mp3-files anymore. I use debian etch. |
| 03:30.03 | yell0w | hey guys when i do "export VAR=something" where is that line saved to ? |
| 03:30.13 | dmlb2000 | jepler: nice to know :) |
| 03:30.23 | thechef | in your RAM |
| 03:30.24 | Guerin | thechef: that doesn't seem likely. |
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| 03:30.35 | yell0w | thechef, no kidding ? |
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| 03:31.14 | thechef | the line itself is saved to ~/.bash_history |
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| 03:31.42 | yell0w | uhm i mean not the line, the variable |
| 03:32.01 | yell0w | instead of editing /etc/environment |
| 03:32.26 | yell0w | if i do export something=something , instead of /etc/environment , where is it saved to ? |
| 03:32.33 | thechef | it's saved to the RAM, your current bash-session saves it, the bash process saves it. it is never written to a file. as far as i understood bash. |
| 03:32.36 | Guerin | yell0w: nowhere |
| 03:32.47 | yell0w | so it's just valid for one session ? |
| 03:32.47 | Guerin | well, yes, thechef is more correct |
| 03:32.55 | Guerin | rather |
| 03:33.14 | yell0w | ahhhh |
| 03:33.19 | yell0w | thanks! |
| 03:33.29 | Guerin | yell0w: if you want to set environment variables, edit .bashrc |
| 03:33.51 | thechef | it is valid for that bash session and all sessions and programs you start out of the same shell you typed the export into |
| 03:34.04 | yell0w | thechef, i got you |
| 03:34.06 | thechef | and .bashrc is executed for each bash-session you start |
| 03:34.19 | yell0w | Guerin, just add SOMTHING=something at the end of it ? |
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| 03:34.32 | Guerin | yell0w: export foo=bar |
| 03:34.37 | Guerin | yell0w: per usual |
| 03:34.48 | yell0w | ahhhh |
| 03:35.01 | yell0w | i got you, kind of like a script |
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| 03:35.45 | Guerin | bashrc *is* a script |
| 03:35.45 | netdaemon | is there any reason why my camera that used to work in gtkam does not work now? |
| 03:35.45 | Guerin | netdaemon: yes, because if there was no reason it would work. |
| 03:35.45 | netdaemon | =\ |
| 03:35.49 | yell0w | Thanks Guerin & thechef |
| 03:35.55 | thechef | np |
| 03:35.59 | netdaemon | list some things that have to be installed that may be the reason why a usb digi cam would not work |
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| 03:36.28 | netdaemon | i have a feeling i'm missing something...did aptitude install gtkam, and that used to be fine.. |
| 03:36.40 | kelsin | yell0w: if you want the bashrc to work when you log in via ssh and stuff source .bashrc from .bash_profile (.bash_profile is run everytime you have a login session) |
| 03:36.49 | Guerin | netdaemon: don't use gtkam, test with gphoto2 |
| 03:37.08 | netdaemon | i thought gtkam was a gtk front end for gphoto2 |
| 03:37.11 | netdaemon | i shall try though |
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| 03:37.36 | Guerin | netdaemon: it is. Which is why you want to test using the most straightforward tool. |
| 03:37.58 | yell0w | kelsin, what do you mean by source ? |
| 03:38.16 | Guerin | yell0w: help source |
| 03:38.26 | thechef | so what would you usually do if xine doesn't play mp3 (anymore). my xine package still shows depency on libmad0, which is responsible for mp3, afaik. |
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| 03:39.18 | netdaemon | could not detect any camera |
| 03:39.20 | netdaemon | great |
| 03:39.23 | Guerin | thechef: it's one thing which is responsible for it. Try playing with madplay, or mplayer or something else |
| 03:39.29 | Guerin | netdaemon: lsusb |
| 03:39.32 | netdaemon | i don't think its the cable, i just charged my cell with it |
| 03:41.31 | netdaemon | i only see 2 devices |
| 03:41.37 | netdaemon | well... |
| 03:41.42 | netdaemon | Bus 002 Device 004: ID 046d:c518 Logitech, Inc. |
| 03:41.42 | netdaemon | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 03f0:171d Hewlett-Packard |
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| 03:41.56 | netdaemon | my camera is a kodak |
| 03:42.08 | Guerin | netdaemon: your camera is not plugged in, or not turned on |
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| 03:42.29 | netdaemon | it is |
| 03:42.43 | netdaemon | must be this cheap ass wal*mart cable then |
| 03:42.51 | netdaemon | with adapters and such |
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| 03:43.12 | tekemperor | How do I uninstall all (no longer needed) dependencies along with a package I don't need anymore (Specifically VIM, I'm using nvi now). |
| 03:43.29 | Guerin | tekemperor: how did you install? |
| 03:43.42 | Guerin | tekemperor: vim, i mean |
| 03:43.45 | tekemperor | apt-get install nvi |
| 03:43.49 | netdaemon | aptitude purge vim |
| 03:43.50 | tekemperor | vim came with debian |
| 03:44.04 | Guerin | no, it did not |
| 03:44.10 | Guerin | but do what netdaemon said |
| 03:44.13 | tekemperor | netdaemon, thank you. |
| 03:44.33 | Guerin | if it doesn't weork, use debfoster or deborphan |
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| 03:44.56 | tekemperor | Guerin, I installed Debian etch from a netinstall CD, when I typed vi at the prompt of the new system, VIM came up. |
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| 03:46.21 | netdaemon | would not having discover have anything to do with the camera not being detected |
| 03:46.32 | netdaemon | dmesg shows no signs of life when i plug it in and turn it on |
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| 03:47.00 | yell0w | Guerin, source is only used for tcl is it not ? (from the man) ? |
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| 03:48.16 | eldowan | tekemperor: is this not the desired result? |
| 03:48.25 | Guerin | yell0w: no. |
| 03:48.26 | kelsin | yell0w: (source just means "include this file", so if you include .bashrc in .bash_profile by using the "source ~/.bashrc" or ". ~/.bashrc" it will be read even on a login shell, like from ssh) |
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| 03:48.50 | Guerin | tekemperor: it's certainly not in the base install. |
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| 03:49.23 | yell0w | kelsin, oh, you mean like putting source ~/.bashrc at the end of bash_profile ? |
| 03:49.37 | Guerin | yesh |
| 03:49.50 | yell0w | cool, i got it |
| 03:50.00 | kelsin | yell0w: yeah, that confused me for a while cause when I ssh'd in to my box .bashrc wasn't being read (as it shouldn't, but for my use I did want it to) |
| 03:50.25 | Guerin | !qotd86 |
| 03:50.26 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 03:50.38 | TraceGreen | Hello, my harddisk is sata, when i mount my usb memory stick(sdb1), the content is sda1's, how can i fix it? |
| 03:50.41 | yell0w | lol |
| 03:50.48 | kelsin | that's great :) |
| 03:50.54 | TraceGreen | in my linux, sdb1 = sda1 |
| 03:51.05 | rpc | are there any typica values for setfd, setmaxage and sethello when setting up an eth bridge? how do i know the correct values? |
| 03:51.10 | rpc | typical* |
| 03:51.42 | rpc | man says exactly nothing about that |
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| 03:53.13 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/fstab maybe tracegreen |
| 03:54.08 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, do you mean i should modify /etc/fstab? |
| 03:54.16 | jetscreamer | TraceGreen: if you' |
| 03:54.18 | jetscreamer | 'err |
| 03:54.32 | jetscreamer | if you're not using automount stuff, yeah should be all you need to do |
| 03:54.51 | eldowan | TraceGreen: you might try plugging in another usb storage drive (sdb) and then plugging in your usb drive you want to get the data off of and hope it gets sdc. |
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| 03:55.34 | TraceGreen | eldowan, thanks. |
| 03:55.46 | jetscreamer | TraceGreen: for the ultimate, edit /etc/udev/udev.rules |
| 03:56.01 | jetscreamer | but man it first, always make a backup, blahblahblah |
| 03:56.08 | eldowan | TraceGreen: did it work? |
| 03:56.12 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, thanks, let me have a try. |
| 03:56.12 | FuzzplugJones | i don't really understand sa-update yet. Does it install any default rulesets just by running sa-update or do I have to pass it a parameter? i'm lost. |
| 03:56.25 | TraceGreen | eldowan, no~ |
| 03:56.27 | jetscreamer | TraceGreen: i'd go for the fstab first, if it was me |
| 03:56.49 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, so, what options shoud i add in /etc/fstab? |
| 03:56.51 | jetscreamer | i personally would leave udev for last... but you can make it sit up and beg |
| 03:57.11 | jetscreamer | TraceGreen: assuming you have an existing entry for it, change sda to sdb |
| 03:57.40 | jetscreamer | TraceGreen: if / is sda in reality what does it think it is when the usb stick gets mounted? |
| 03:57.49 | jetscreamer | err sda1 |
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| 03:58.14 | tekemperor | Guerin, what is the default visual editor for debian? |
| 03:58.19 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, I use fdisk, and I can find sdb1, it is my usb memory stick. |
| 03:58.42 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, and i mount sdb1, but its content is sda1's ! |
| 03:59.18 | jetscreamer | ok. what is sda1 before you mount the stick |
| 03:59.28 | jetscreamer | and are you using automount |
| 04:00.00 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, sda1 is my windows system |
| 04:00.19 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, I just use: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1, nothing error |
| 04:00.27 | abrotman | jetscreamer: go talk to your kids! |
| 04:00.28 | abrotman | :) |
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| 04:00.44 | jetscreamer | abrotman: they're out partying and working, respectively |
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| 04:01.01 | thechef | mmh |
| 04:01.03 | thechef | now mp3 works |
| 04:01.04 | abrotman | good kids |
| 04:01.11 | jetscreamer | TraceGreen: is your windows partition mounted when you try to mount the usb stick? |
| 04:01.19 | jetscreamer | !rwvfat |
| 04:01.19 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 04:01.29 | thechef | I have installed libxine from experimental |
| 04:01.38 | gpogo | how do you change the PATH system wide? I added to the end of the lines in /etc/profile but it doesnt wokr after logout or reboot |
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| 04:01.45 | jetscreamer | thechef: we honor your sacrifice |
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| 04:02.17 | jetscreamer | gpogo: are you using gdm or some such? gdm sets it's own paths for everybody |
| 04:02.20 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, yes |
| 04:02.21 | abrotman | gpogo: sure should |
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| 04:02.45 | gpogo | yes I am using gdm, how do I add it to gdm's path? |
| 04:03.07 | jetscreamer | TraceGreen: before you mount the usb stick, what does mount report for the win partition? |
| 04:03.12 | jetscreamer | gpogo: one sec |
| 04:03.18 | jetscreamer | they changed it.... |
| 04:03.33 | gpogo | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 04:04.04 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, everything seems ok. I use: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1, and /mnt/sda1 is my windows system before or after mount my usb stick |
| 04:04.57 | TraceGreen | when i mount usb stick. mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1, /mnt/sdb1's contents are also windows system. They should be the content in my usb stick. |
| 04:05.18 | jetscreamer | ah crud i don't have gdm installed.. but.... it's /etc/gdm/gdm.conf , and you add the section and parameters that you want to override the defaults, which are set in ... i forget exactly, /var/something maybe, or /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf... i forget exactly... locate gdm.conf (type that) the default gdm.conf has the format/syntax you need... |
| 04:05.44 | jetscreamer | you add both the section header and the path directive |
| 04:06.09 | jetscreamer | but you don't have to add all directives under the header, just the one(s) you want |
| 04:06.42 | jetscreamer | if you just edit the default one, it gets overwritten |
| 04:06.48 | jetscreamer | eventually |
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| 04:07.10 | jetscreamer | it's a lot easier than i made it sound btw |
| 04:07.14 | gpogo | jetscreamer: thanks you pointed me with enough direction that a bit of google can help the rest of the way |
| 04:07.36 | jetscreamer | TraceGreen: paste your fstab somewhere |
| 04:07.42 | jetscreamer | !tell TraceGreen -about paste |
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| 04:09.11 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, just two lines: tmpfs and proc, other partitions are mounted manual |
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| 04:10.07 | jetscreamer | TraceGreen: you just said that / isn't defined in your fstab |
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| 04:10.42 | jetscreamer | TraceGreen: if it was me i'd try creating fstab entries for both sda and sdb |
| 04:10.54 | jetscreamer | sounds weird dude |
| 04:11.09 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, thanks. |
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| 04:11.24 | jetscreamer | TraceGreen: and if you don't mount it like the dpkg factoid, you can't write... maybe not read |
| 04:11.40 | jetscreamer | not either, iirc |
| 04:11.57 | jaredj | i've an IDE drive and a sata drive and lvm and 2.6.21rc2; when I add /dev/sda3 to my vg, the lvm can't find the PV in the context of the initrd. any help? |
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| 04:12.16 | JordiGH2 | Where are the docs for gettext-el? |
| 04:12.21 | TraceGreen | jetscreamer, thanks very much! I should go to school now. Try to fix it later |
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| 04:12.31 | jetscreamer | school is cool |
| 04:13.03 | kalila | is there a Gnome Alarm application? |
| 04:13.20 | jetscreamer | there is an xmms-alarm... probably one for gnome though |
| 04:13.25 | jetscreamer | also |
| 04:13.42 | jetscreamer | kalila: apt-cache search gnome |grep -i alarm maybe |
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| 04:14.20 | jetscreamer | sanduhr - An alarm clock designed as an hourglass |
| 04:14.28 | JordiGH2 | Hm... I guess there aren't any! The package itself doesn't recommend or suggest a doc package, and /usr/share/doc only contains the bare minimum. |
| 04:14.39 | smcavoy_ | hello, wondering if anyone can point me to some info on the new DST support for sarge? |
| 04:14.49 | jetscreamer | JordiGH2: a lot of docs have to be explicitly installed |
| 04:15.00 | tekemperor | How do I set up a partition so only one user can mount it? (I tried chowning the /dev/hda#, but that didn't stay after reboot). |
| 04:15.14 | jetscreamer | man fstab |
| 04:15.15 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Sure, but where are they? Doesn't anyone else besides me use Emacs's po-mode for translating? |
| 04:15.21 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 04:15.32 | jetscreamer | i've never even seen an emac's screenshot |
| 04:15.38 | jaredj | kalila: i used to just use at |
| 04:15.49 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: You poor, deprived child. :-) |
| 04:16.06 | jaredj | kalila: i made an alarm script that would play sounds, then used at to run it at a certain time, and i had a panel button that would "killall alarm" |
| 04:16.13 | kalila | well I'm looking for some easy to job to get myself into coding for gnome/gtk |
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| 04:16.21 | kalila | and an alarm looks like a simple enough job |
| 04:16.29 | jaredj | kalila: (and another panel button that would "killall alarm; echo alarm | at now + 5 min") |
| 04:16.38 | jaredj | ahhh |
| 04:16.39 | jaredj | ic |
| 04:16.56 | krazykit | jaredj, haha, brilliant. |
| 04:17.19 | tekemperor | jetscreamer, thanks, I didn't know that could be done through fstab directly. |
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| 04:18.07 | jetscreamer | tekemperor: chowning the mountpoint does something also...not sure if you want to do that too though |
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| 04:20.32 | tekemperor | jetscreamer, I had tried that before, but whomever mounted the system became the owner anyway (fat32 partition). |
| 04:21.15 | jetscreamer | tekemperor: man mount, search for fmask and dmask (and umask too) |
| 04:21.33 | jetscreamer | !tell tekemperor -about rwvfat |
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| 04:21.54 | jetscreamer | i think that has a valid example |
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| 04:22.45 | jetscreamer | you could just make it when mounted only be for the one you want so that if somebody mounted it they still couldn't access it |
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| 04:23.29 | jetscreamer | but if they mounted it manually, it wouldn't... |
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| 04:23.59 | Guerin | tekemperor: there's such a thing as a `visual' editor? |
| 04:24.07 | JordiGH | vi! |
| 04:24.09 | jaredj | [rephrase] I can't get my initrd to see the SATA physical volume of my LVM vg, causing a kernel panic. any help? |
| 04:24.09 | Guerin | tekemperor: the default editor is GNU nano |
| 04:24.45 | jaredj | tekemperor: someone already mentioned -o user=joe right? |
| 04:24.45 | jetscreamer | jaredj: not sure but i you could have hit the udev borks my multiple ide controllers bug... let me find the bug ref |
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| 04:24.52 | tekemperor | jetscreamer, thanks a bunch, that's quite sufficient for my needs. |
| 04:24.59 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 04:25.00 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 04:25.09 | duder | Hi |
| 04:25.25 | jaredj | lol "boot floopies" |
| 04:25.31 | tekemperor | Guerin, come to think of it I might have typed apt-get install vim just got get something vi-like when I started (I've got a bad memory). |
| 04:25.46 | jaredj | vim is much better than vi IMHO |
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| 04:25.54 | duder | I'm using debian etch. I accidentally deleted the handy little network configurator that comes default in the top right, how do I add it again? I can't find it anywhere... |
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| 04:26.27 | tekemperor | jaredj, I don't believe anyone mentioned that, thanks, I have enough info now though. |
| 04:27.01 | jaredj | k |
| 04:27.11 | jetscreamer | jaredj: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata the first one |
| 04:27.41 | jetscreamer | Disk devices may change on reboot |
| 04:27.43 | jaredj | very much thanks |
| 04:28.02 | jaredj | hm not that one |
| 04:28.07 | duder | I mean, why isn't it just a program in the administration menu? Why do I have to look for it so hard? |
| 04:28.36 | jetscreamer | duder: you installed, rebooted once or twice, and now your network doesn't work? |
| 04:28.54 | jaredj | the confusing bit is it's just finished saying "ok, here's sda" then LVM says "cannot find physical volume Yxwe9h3-numbersnumbers-3289-1398" which is the uuid of /dev/sda3 |
| 04:29.08 | jaredj | -> "cannot bring vg up" -> "no root fs" -> panic |
| 04:29.11 | duder | jetscreamer: it was working fine for a couple weeks, and I accidentally removed it. It's not in the "add to panel" menu which makes no sense to me. |
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| 04:30.25 | jetscreamer | i know jack about lvm ... :/ Guerin knows more than me... (muhahaha@guerin) |
| 04:30.53 | jetscreamer | duder: you mean like that gnome network manager thing or something? |
| 04:30.54 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:31.02 | Guerin | what i know about lvm ain't worth knowing |
| 04:31.22 | jetscreamer | i know what lvm stands for... |
| 04:31.26 | jaredj | heh |
| 04:31.39 | duder | yeah, it was just a little thing that looked like a network cable and I could switch which ethernet card I wanted. it worked. using dhclient manually or the other network connections program does not work for whatever reason. |
| 04:32.00 | jaredj | lame thing is, once the kernel panics, i can't shift-pgup |
| 04:32.13 | jaredj | annoying, that. |
| 04:32.32 | jetscreamer | duder: you mean you just lost the menu entry? you might try typing update-menus in an xterm or console |
| 04:32.50 | jetscreamer | and then looking under the 'debian' section / net |
| 04:33.04 | duder | no it was in my panel and I removed it by accident. it's not in the "add to panels" or anywhere in the menu that I can see. |
| 04:33.41 | jetscreamer | sounds like gnome... no idea, but as long as you didn't remove the program, you can get it back. |
| 04:34.23 | duder | Well I do think it's a debian thing, just like the updater software isn't gnome specific. But I don't know... |
| 04:34.35 | duder | Why it's not so easy to add again is insane |
| 04:35.18 | jetscreamer | if it's an applet, it's 'probably' gnome-ish |
| 04:35.25 | duder | ah, ok |
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| 04:36.24 | jetscreamer | man i'm not much help to anybody tonight |
| 04:36.31 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 04:36.35 | jaredj | but you're quite helpful, jet |
| 04:36.41 | jaredj | :) |
| 04:36.48 | duder | yeah, thanks for trying man. |
| 04:37.05 | jaredj | something worked for tek i think. |
| 04:37.25 | duder | I'm gonna go try again I guess |
| 04:37.27 | duder | thanks again |
| 04:37.32 | jetscreamer | i've been helpfuller.. : |
| 04:37.34 | jetscreamer | ) |
| 04:37.52 | jetscreamer | maybe i'll go kill ppl virtually some more |
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| 04:39.19 | jaredj | which game |
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| 04:42.31 | rpc | are there any settings in eth bridge that may lower the performance of a network? |
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| 04:52.33 | MacCoaster | hi all, using debian-testing on ppc here, am having problems with xdm (doesnt seem to like to load) but startx works just fine... so i'm trying to stop loading xdm at boot (init level 3 or so i thought but /etc/inittab has it set to runlevel 2 and i tried changing that to 3, no dice |
| 04:52.39 | MacCoaster | has this changed for etch? |
| 04:54.01 | jaredj | i'm on sid, 2 is still the default for me |
| 04:54.14 | jaredj | the difference between 2 and 3 afaict is NFS servers |
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| 04:54.23 | jaredj | i think 4 and 5 are up to you |
| 04:54.43 | MacCoaster | jaredj, i figured that but why is xdm being started when thats supposed to be in runlevel 5 (or so I thought :\) |
| 04:54.49 | peterS | MacCoaster: there's actually no difference between 2, 3, 4, 5. they are all set up identically by default. you as the system administrator are allowed to customize them however you see fit. |
| 04:54.57 | peterS | MacCoaster: maybe you're thinking of Red Hat |
| 04:55.14 | MacCoaster | yeah im used to 3 being text only, 5 being graphical heh |
| 04:55.23 | stray_ | maybe you can try removing xdm startup script (update-rc or something)? |
| 04:55.27 | peterS | you can set it up that way in debian if you want |
| 04:55.54 | MacCoaster | i guess its because i havent touched debian in a long time im just not used to xdm with debian ;) |
| 04:56.07 | peterS | but you have to do it yourself, the distribution doesn't hard-code those differences at install time |
| 04:56.53 | jaredj | MacCoaster: yes, debian just sticks the initscript for xdm/gdm right in runlevel 2, unlike redhat/fedora |
| 04:56.54 | MacCoaster | so i can just delete /etc/rc2.d/*dm ? |
| 04:56.59 | jaredj | yes |
| 04:57.07 | jaredj | i mean, NO! use update-rc.d or something |
| 04:57.09 | jaredj | *wink* |
| 04:57.42 | Nyle | what is rc? |
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| 04:57.52 | Nyle | a lot of the config files are like .blahrc |
| 04:58.01 | Nyle | does it stand for something? |
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| 04:58.31 | MacCoaster | my guess is resource configuration |
| 04:58.42 | MacCoaster | ive always thought it that way hah |
| 04:58.51 | jaredj | yeh it's like /etc |
| 04:58.59 | jaredj | how does "etc" mean configuration? |
| 04:59.02 | peterS | yeah probably resource configuration - but nobody really thinks about what it means, it's just a convention now |
| 04:59.19 | jaredj | like its own noun |
| 04:59.26 | MacCoaster | yep |
| 04:59.47 | Nyle | I'm somebody, and I gave it some thought. I think its enough thought. Any more thought might cause injuries. |
| 04:59.58 | MacCoaster | ah found rccofn |
| 05:00.01 | MacCoaster | rcconf |
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| 05:00.08 | MacCoaster | looks like itdoes the job |
| 05:00.15 | MacCoaster | thanks guys :) |
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| 05:00.34 | Nyle | peterS: whats going on man |
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| 05:01.43 | Nyle | haven't seen you in a while here |
| 05:01.53 | peterS | Nyle: I'm pondering a sentence I thought I heard in one of the arias of an opera I saw recently. "Car je vous aimais de la premiere jour". the problem is that jour should be masculine. |
| 05:02.14 | parsonsd | i tried running the nvidia one liner; hadn't had a chance to test it until the power went out and shut everything down. i'm getting an error at startup saying that it can't find a valid framebuffer. where to next? |
| 05:02.21 | peterS | I listened closely though, and it sure sounded like 'jour' |
| 05:02.29 | Nyle | well I do not know italian, however it sounds like it would be nice |
| 05:02.31 | parsonsd | excuse me, at xstart-startup |
| 05:02.35 | peterS | it's french |
| 05:02.39 | Nyle | ahh |
| 05:02.42 | Nyle | see there you go :) |
| 05:02.47 | stew | !tell peterS about fr |
| 05:03.05 | Nyle | hey stews up |
| 05:03.09 | peterS | I don't have besoin d'aide en francais, but thanks |
| 05:03.28 | stew | de rien |
| 05:03.36 | jaredj | !tell me about fr |
| 05:05.07 | stew | peterS: which languages are you fluent in? which are you good but not fluent in? |
| 05:05.24 | stew | peterS: you seem to have a lot of knowledge about a lot of languages at least |
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| 05:05.36 | Nyle | peterS: multilingual? |
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| 05:05.55 | peterS | stew: human languages I guess you mean. the only one I'm _really_ fluent in is English. I do ok in Lingala, I can make myself understood in Italian and French, and my German is next to nonexistent |
| 05:06.14 | Nyle | lingala eh |
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| 05:06.40 | peterS | I'm pretty good at the grammar of all of those except German. it's vocabulary I always have trouble with, I can never remember very many actual words in a language |
| 05:07.05 | Nyle | peterS: I'm cursed with being fluent in 6 languages |
| 05:07.06 | peterS | stew: lingala. spoken in equatorial Africa |
| 05:07.11 | Nyle | it is painful at times |
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| 05:07.23 | stew | peterS: how did you come to know langala? |
| 05:07.27 | peterS | Nyle: eh, which ones? I guess most of your languages are from the subcontinent? |
| 05:07.29 | rahul | our databases are b0rked |
| 05:07.36 | rahul | I can't grab an instance |
| 05:07.37 | Nyle | sometimes I stutter becuase I have no idea what I'm thinking in which |
| 05:07.40 | Nyle | yes mostly |
| 05:07.49 | parsonsd | when it comes to debian nvidia, what is 'fbdevhw'? |
| 05:07.58 | peterS | stew: I lived in an area it was spoken (northwestern Zaire, now the D.R. of Congo) for a lot of years |
| 05:08.12 | stew | ahh, interesting |
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| 05:08.16 | jaredj | parsonsd: framebuffer , um, device, hardware? |
| 05:08.32 | jaredj | parsonsd: ls -l /etc/X11/X, what's it point to? |
| 05:08.34 | peterS | Lingala is somewhat related to Swahili, which a lot more people have heard of |
| 05:08.34 | Nyle | Urdu, Hindi, Sindhi, Balochi, Punjabi/Serayki, Arabic |
| 05:08.46 | parsonsd | jaredj : ah, yes, that would seem to make sense.... |
| 05:08.52 | peterS | Nyle: urdu and hindi are pretty similar, I've heard - true? |
| 05:08.56 | Nyle | besides english and whatever norwegian I learned on my own, its all indian subcontinent |
| 05:09.06 | Nyle | peterS: not quite, they are similar |
| 05:09.08 | rpc | ...and Serbian? :) |
| 05:09.18 | parsonsd | jaredj - /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 05:09.18 | Nyle | not pretty similar I would day |
| 05:09.20 | Nyle | say* |
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| 05:09.23 | jaredj | m00se training provided by yute hermsgerv0rdbr0tb0rten |
| 05:09.41 | jaredj | mind you m00se bites can be veri nasti |
| 05:09.47 | jaredj | erm. sorry. |
| 05:09.48 | peterS | uh, what? |
| 05:10.03 | jaredj | monty python-o-rrhea |
| 05:10.26 | jaredj | parsonsd: and your x server quits? |
| 05:10.27 | Nyle | peterS: but the languages are very drastically different from each other. Punjabi, Hindi, Urdu are very similar, but the other ones are as different from each other as black and white. |
| 05:10.32 | concept10 | is it okay to start and stop kernel compilation with ^c ? |
| 05:10.47 | rpc | how much can txqueuelen affect network performance? |
| 05:10.49 | peterS | Nyle: oh, I didn't know Punjabi was particularly related to Hindi.. |
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| 05:11.00 | stew | peterS: how does lingala classify grramatically? |
| 05:11.15 | stew | peterS: is it similar gramatically to any european languages? |
| 05:11.16 | rpc | oh wait peterS is here :) |
| 05:11.30 | jaredj | concept10: stop, fine. start - if you can start your kernel compiling with ^c show me how (; |
| 05:11.43 | parsonsd | jaredj - yeh, X quits on startup |
| 05:11.48 | peterS | stew: it's a Bantu language. grammar is quite similar across Bantu languages, I understand. there are a lot of concepts you can apply from knowledge of european languages, but it's different in other ways |
| 05:12.02 | jaredj | parsonsd: ls /dev/nvi*, do you have stuff? |
| 05:12.17 | jaredj | oo i know i know, Bantu means 'people' |
| 05:12.31 | concept10 | jaredj, i mean is it okay to restart after stop (it seems to work) |
| 05:12.32 | parsonsd | jaredj - yes, nvidia0 and nvidiactl |
| 05:12.32 | jaredj | actually, *think* that's not far off from 'ubuntu' |
| 05:12.41 | jaredj | concept10: yes, quite so |
| 05:12.46 | jaredj | parsonsd: k, k |
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| 05:12.54 | peterS | stew: so like they have verb tenses and singular/plural nouns and subjunctive mood and so forth, but some things seem kind of foreign, like singular/plural formation is a _prefix_ rather than a suffix |
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| 05:13.15 | jaredj | parsonsd: stock kernel? |
| 05:13.38 | peterS | stew: OTOH, I can only think of one irregular verb, and it's only irregular in the present tense. (: |
| 05:13.54 | parsonsd | jaredj - looks from the /var/log/xorg that it locates the card and it certainly defines it ok, but when it gets to fbdevhd, it chokes up. |
| 05:13.59 | peterS | so in that sense the grammar is pretty easy.. |
| 05:14.04 | stew | sounds like it |
| 05:14.04 | jaredj | parsonsd: ogh, hmm |
| 05:14.27 | parsonsd | jaredj, yep, plainjane whatever was available from ... |
| 05:14.43 | jaredj | parsonsd: urr, grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:15.31 | stew | i really hate my hs french teacher for being incompetent, i'm now left knowing only english, and only having a basic knowledge of a few other languages |
| 05:16.06 | peterS | stew: as far as vocabulary in Lingala, so many words have been borrowed from French that if you ever can't think of the right word for something, if you throw the French word in, you can get away with it. so if I knew French better, I'd automatically be able to get along better in Lingala (: |
| 05:16.46 | stew | peterS: right. all of the work i have done with anyone from africa has been in broken french |
| 05:16.52 | jaredj | stew: dommage |
| 05:16.52 | parsonsd | jaredj - de.debian.org -- an odd quirk of getting testing AND nonfree. don't know why i'd needed to change from the same servers from my original install. :/ |
| 05:17.10 | jaredj | meh k |
| 05:17.20 | parsonsd | jaredj, kbd, mouse, nv |
| 05:17.28 | jaredj | ahh. |
| 05:17.37 | jaredj | that nv is what's getting you i think. |
| 05:17.39 | Nyle | peterS: Punjabi/Serayki are are oldest languages alongside sanskrit from that region. Punj == five, ab or A'ab == water. Punjab is really, land of the five waters. It has been around since the time of civilization, and hindi/urdu are pretty much direct offshoots of the above languages respectively |
| 05:17.53 | jaredj | try nvidia-xconfig |
| 05:17.58 | parsonsd | jaredj...looking into it... thought it was right... |
| 05:18.03 | parsonsd | jarjed , ok. |
| 05:18.09 | jaredj | the nv is the free nvidia driver |
| 05:18.18 | peterS | stew: yeah. well, different bits of Africa were carved up by various European colonialists, so you have English, French, Portuguese, Arabic, Dutch.... if you knew all those languages you could talk to almost anyone in Africa (: |
| 05:18.18 | jaredj | the nvidia nvidia driver is called nvidia |
| 05:18.21 | stew | peterS: never would have guessed in HS that "fenetre" would beome the word i needed to know most :) |
| 05:18.26 | peterS | hehe |
| 05:18.44 | rpc | does playing with /proc/sys/net/core/netdev_max_backlog require restarting any service? or will it just work at once? |
| 05:18.54 | jaredj | i won a spelling bee on the word "defenestrate" because i knew the word fenetre |
| 05:19.08 | parsonsd | jaredj, yeh, why wouldn't the oneliner's scrpt put the right name into the xorg.conf file that it created?? wacky |
| 05:19.09 | stew | heh |
| 05:19.10 | peterS | jaredj: defenestrate wins a spelling bee? that word doesn't seem all that hard |
| 05:19.11 | jaredj | after asking for the etymology, which no one had ever done before (; |
| 05:19.16 | Nyle | peterS: there are numerous punjabi dialects, but they are pretty much understandable universally |
| 05:19.29 | peterS | it's a great word though |
| 05:19.32 | jaredj | parsonsd: well, i actually wasn't sure which one-liner you were talking about to begin with |
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| 05:20.11 | jaredj | peterS: private middle school. i lost the county spelling bee on 'perceive' because the way i said it they counted it as 'percieive' |
| 05:20.11 | parsonsd | dpkg's nvidia-oneliner |
| 05:20.23 | peterS | oy |
| 05:20.27 | jaredj | parsonsd: euh? |
| 05:20.31 | jaredj | yeah i was so mad |
| 05:20.48 | parsonsd | msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 05:20.55 | jaredj | ;P |
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| 05:21.13 | peterS | hmmm the Latin is 'fenestra'. I wonder how Italian got it as 'finestra' |
| 05:21.22 | jaredj | eek |
| 05:21.48 | jaredj | parsonsd: oh, i see. |
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| 05:22.06 | jaredj | i haven't ever used the debian packages because they were always behind |
| 05:22.13 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.22 | stephelton | is there a package i can install that will put the kernel sources and such in their correct locations? |
| 05:22.39 | parsonsd | jaredj, is nvidia-xconfig an apt-get package? |
| 05:22.40 | peterS | Nyle: no kidding? I knew it had Arabic influences but I had no idea it had that many other influences |
| 05:23.01 | peterS | stephelton: I suppose linux-source-$(uname -r) |
| 05:23.04 | stew | stephelton: sure, but why do you want kernel sources? in general people asking that question are trying to compile an add-on driver and actually need kernel headers |
| 05:23.06 | jaredj | parsonsd: no. it's a utility installed by ... >= 8xxx versions of nvidia's own driver |
| 05:23.16 | jaredj | actually probably 9xxx |
| 05:23.25 | stephelton | stew yeah you're right... |
| 05:23.30 | stephelton | peterS thanks |
| 05:23.33 | jaredj | it just changes that one Driver line, pretty much |
| 05:23.38 | stew | stephelton: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 05:23.45 | jaredj | no big loss, if you don't have it, you have to edit the file yourself |
| 05:23.52 | peterS | stephelton: listen to uncle stew. you really want linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 05:23.53 | stephelton | 2.6.19 |
| 05:23.57 | stephelton | stew |
| 05:23.57 | parsonsd | jaredj - to what |
| 05:23.58 | parsonsd | ? |
| 05:24.06 | stew | stephelton: you compiled it yourself? |
| 05:24.07 | stephelton | peterS: thanks :) |
| 05:24.08 | jaredj | parsonsd: Driver "nv" -> Driver "nvidia" |
| 05:24.15 | stephelton | stew: nah this is knoppix |
| 05:24.18 | rahul | ARSE |
| 05:24.21 | peterS | stephelton: if uname -r says 2.6.19 then you are not running a Debian kernel and we have no idea how to help you |
| 05:24.36 | jaredj | knoppix? |
| 05:24.41 | parsonsd | jaredj. oh crap. first i'm gonna diff & grep against my backup |
| 05:24.44 | stephelton | peterS: knoppix = debian, no? |
| 05:24.46 | jaredj | nah |
| 05:24.47 | peterS | stephelton: no |
| 05:24.48 | jaredj | knoppix |
| 05:24.50 | jaredj | hmm |
| 05:24.54 | stephelton | silly me |
| 05:24.58 | jaredj | rahul: knoppix! |
| 05:25.00 | stephelton | ! |
| 05:25.01 | rahul | I've got no sympathy, for what you've done to me. I'm gonna bring you to your knees, and give you what you need! |
| 05:25.01 | stew | stephelton: in general you'd be looking for a package named "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" but for knoppix you should be asking in #knoppix, not here |
| 05:25.04 | peterS | stephelton: we don't know how knoppix has arranged their kernel packages. they might do the same as debian, or they might not |
| 05:25.07 | jaredj | parsonsd: k cool |
| 05:25.15 | jaredj | rahul: fedora! |
| 05:25.19 | stephelton | ok. sorry to bother. thanks for your help |
| 05:25.20 | rahul | I'm gonna shoot it. I'm gonna shoot it. Cause I'm locked and LOADED! |
| 05:25.25 | rahul | jaredj: PENIX |
| 05:25.33 | rahul | !penixstrike oracle |
| 05:25.33 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking oracle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:25.34 | Nyle | relax... |
| 05:25.37 | peterS | rahul: you zoof |
| 05:25.40 | rahul | heh |
| 05:25.57 | Nyle | chootya insaan |
| 05:25.57 | jaredj | dpkg: is rahul a bot? |
| 05:26.09 | rahul | I'm gonna get to you, just like you got to me. And then I'm gonna do to you, what you did to me! |
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| 05:26.18 | jaredj | omg |
| 05:26.28 | Nyle | are these like some lame alternative song lyrics? |
| 05:26.31 | Nyle | wth is going on? |
| 05:26.38 | rahul | Nyle: haford, locked and loaded |
| 05:26.55 | jaredj | OMG it's gone Turing-complete! Get out of there! |
| 05:27.12 | rahul | he does this awesome double-tracked scowl/scream on the "cause I'm locked and loaded" |
| 05:27.15 | jaredj | err, turing-positive.. crap |
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| 05:27.26 | Nyle | yeh I never liked those metal rock screamers |
| 05:27.28 | Nyle | too faggy for me |
| 05:27.34 | rahul | heh |
| 05:27.39 | parsonsd | jaredj - ok. that's dippy. i'll thank dpkg for messing up |
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| 05:27.42 | rahul | I prefer the chicks doing that, too |
| 05:27.43 | jaredj | tonight! wommon! we'll be drivin down sepulveda! |
| 05:27.46 | parsonsd | jaredj, thanks for the help |
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| 05:27.53 | jaredj | with the t-tops downnnahh! |
| 05:27.56 | jaredj | parsonsd: np :) |
| 05:27.58 | Nyle | that is why don't do that |
| 05:28.01 | Nyle | look what you started |
| 05:28.03 | parsonsd | jaredj, back in with the mouse. |
| 05:28.08 | rahul | heh. |
| 05:28.09 | jaredj | eh? |
| 05:28.14 | jaredj | oh cool :) |
| 05:28.25 | rahul | thank god pandora is playing angry music for me |
| 05:28.55 | rahul | fuck, now it's playing a scorions love song |
| 05:29.02 | rahul | but it's got some heavy riffage |
| 05:29.06 | Nyle | what are you like 40? man |
| 05:29.15 | rahul | I'll replace the "love" with "kill" |
| 05:29.22 | enouf | !typosmite rahul |
| 05:29.37 | Nyle | should be a hairmetalsmite |
| 05:29.41 | rahul | heh |
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| 05:29.43 | rahul | yeah |
| 05:29.47 | krazykit | %attack enouf |
| 05:29.48 | peterS | there really shouldn't |
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| 05:30.05 | enouf | !JoiseyMallChickHairSmite rahul |
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| 05:30.08 | Nyle | if there were one, it should be, but there shouldn't be one |
| 05:30.10 | peterS | the "*smite" commands stopped being cool about the time the second or third one after penixstrike was introduced |
| 05:30.17 | rahul | enouf: AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:30.25 | enouf | heh |
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| 05:30.35 | krazykit | isn't % supposed to activate badgers? |
| 05:30.38 | enouf | it's run "to" the hills .. |
| 05:30.39 | Nyle | peterS: wish you'd say that a few more times ;) |
| 05:30.44 | krazykit | badgers is more amusing than dpkg, imo. |
| 05:30.44 | badgers | krazykit: bugger all, i dunno |
| 05:30.46 | rahul | haha |
| 05:30.52 | rahul | %badger krazykit |
| 05:30.52 | badgers | ENOUGH |
| 05:30.54 | parsonsd | jaredj - interesting tho: console emits some other errors . now it can't find glx |
| 05:31.00 | rahul | heh |
| 05:31.18 | jaredj | parsonsd: eugh. i was afraid of that |
| 05:31.29 | jaredj | although - the packages should take care of that :( |
| 05:31.33 | jaredj | nvidia-glx in particular |
| 05:31.37 | enouf | yeah but dpkg shoots an elephant gun loaded with badgers from time to time |
| 05:31.59 | rahul | hmm, maybe I'll play some disturbed |
| 05:32.00 | peterS | enouf: it's actually run "for" the hills. the implication is that your destination is the hills, but it is unspecified whether you will arrive, before whatever calamity you're running away from catches up with you. |
| 05:32.29 | enouf | peterS: we're referring to an Iron Maiden song ;-) |
| 05:32.32 | rahul | heh |
| 05:32.42 | peterS | oh dear. it's worse than I thought. |
| 05:32.50 | enouf | but thanks for the explanation .. |
| 05:32.55 | jetscreamer | !nv.run |
| 05:32.56 | dpkg | get root. kill X. then paste this: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev linux-headers-`uname -r` && md /usr/src/nvda/ && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run -anN |
| 05:32.57 | rahul | RUN FOR YOUR LIIIIVES |
| 05:33.23 | Nyle | what the fuck |
| 05:33.27 | rahul | hmm, godsmack is angry enough. |
| 05:33.37 | jetscreamer | nylke is stoned |
| 05:33.40 | jetscreamer | nyle |
| 05:33.47 | Nyle | hey man sup |
| 05:34.39 | Nyle | no I'm not |
| 05:34.39 | parsonsd | jaredj - did they change the name of the driver, maybe? |
| 05:34.39 | jetscreamer | that song rocks btw peterS ... the video is kinda funny too |
| 05:34.41 | peterS | there is no need to show awesome bass riffs in #debian. |
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| 05:35.14 | jaredj | parsonsd: the package name, probably not |
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| 05:35.27 | Nyle | there is ##recording for that music and audio/video recording etc. |
| 05:35.33 | jaredj | !fish rahul |
| 05:35.40 | jaredj | *clap clap* |
| 05:35.41 | enouf | I think stoned would disagree peterS ..heh |
| 05:35.43 | jetscreamer | i wonder if i had that guitar tablature thing installed i could paste it in irc... |
| 05:35.52 | Nyle | !stop the fufkcing bot abuse bullshit for fucks sake |
| 05:35.57 | Nyle | god |
| 05:36.08 | Nyle | enouf: precicely why ##recording exists now |
| 05:36.09 | Nyle | :) |
| 05:36.13 | peterS | why did you start your poorly typed sentence with ! ? |
| 05:36.22 | jaredj | it's like in spanish |
| 05:36.22 | rahul | ok, Just Stop and Deify queued up |
| 05:36.23 | Nyle | peterS: eh, bot sarcasm hehe |
| 05:36.30 | jetscreamer | he wishes dpkg had such a factoid |
| 05:36.32 | jetscreamer | been there |
| 05:36.36 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I wish it |
| 05:36.41 | rahul | OH YEAH, and my speakers are turned up! wonder what the neighbors will thing |
| 05:36.46 | peterS | jetscreamer: 'stupid bot tricks' is close enough |
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| 05:37.37 | rahul | RAWWWWRRRR |
| 05:37.37 | enouf | rahul: on the east coast? .. turn on vh1c .. live zeppelin |
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| 05:37.46 | rahul | I don't get that :\ |
| 05:37.51 | enouf | :-( |
| 05:37.52 | jaredj | parsonsd: so - um. meh yeah, i'd go with the !nv.run advice |
| 05:37.53 | rahul | just basic cable |
| 05:37.58 | rahul | but I get live zep all the time ;) |
| 05:38.15 | jaredj | parsonsd: the cool thing about the packages is they Just Work. so if they're not Just Working... |
| 05:38.17 | Nyle | why are you not installing the driver with module assistant? |
| 05:38.18 | rahul | these guys I know sound better than any recording of zep I've heard |
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| 05:38.26 | enouf | rahul: gonna dump mine soon (the boobtoob part) .. they're ripping me off now in the 3rd year of contract |
| 05:38.27 | rahul | (of course, they're not nearly as creative) |
| 05:38.37 | jaredj | zep == kitchen cleaner? |
| 05:38.40 | rahul | I get free basic cable with the building |
| 05:38.42 | ToddEDM | hey guys, just wondering what archiving software will extract those .00 .001 .002 .003 files that movies are sometimes pack in |
| 05:38.49 | Nyle | ToddEDM: rar |
| 05:38.57 | rahul | WHY THE FUCK IS STDERR NOT WRITABLE |
| 05:38.59 | Nyle | ToddEDM: add non-free contrib and apt-get install unrar |
| 05:39.00 | jaredj | oooooo |
| 05:39.03 | jaredj | nyle: |
| 05:39.08 | Intensity_ | Hi. Can't hear any output on my Audigy2 sound card on etch. I also have a sound device built in to the motherboard. I see a lot of information in /proc/asound. Also I have kernel boot messages like ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:01:01.0 disabled. Are those normal? I have used aumix to choose my settings. Any ideas why no sound output? |
| 05:39.27 | Nyle | ToddEDM: unless it is created by a file splitter |
| 05:39.32 | Nyle | ToddEDM: more than likey it is rar |
| 05:39.33 | ToddEDM | ok lets start over , i need something for a newb |
| 05:39.48 | ToddEDM | is there a .deb? |
| 05:39.55 | Nyle | !contrib |
| 05:39.56 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 05:40.06 | krazykit | ToddEDM, contrib and non-free are the easy ways. |
| 05:40.15 | Nyle | ToddEDM: and nonfree, then apt-get install unrar and unrar e blah.001 |
| 05:40.16 | ToddEDM | ok |
| 05:40.16 | Nyle | etc. |
| 05:40.18 | ToddEDM | lol |
| 05:40.21 | jaredj | Intensity_: modprobe | grep snd, eh #debian, where's the pastebin? |
| 05:40.32 | jetscreamer | zep has a lot of chemicals |
| 05:41.05 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 05:41.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 05:41.10 | Nyle | !info unrar |
| 05:41.12 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.7.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 05:41.18 | Nyle | ah nonfree |
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| 05:41.31 | jetscreamer | rar -x unrars |
| 05:41.36 | jetscreamer | or so i hear tell |
| 05:41.40 | Nyle | hmm |
| 05:41.46 | Nyle | I never used it i just use unrar |
| 05:41.49 | jetscreamer | never actually tried it though |
| 05:42.19 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.21 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:42.24 | Nyle | apparantly so, its documented in manpage |
| 05:42.31 | rahul | I only wanted a blessing made. Now I've been labeled the renegade. It seems so clear now what I must do. You're no immortal. I won't let them DEIFY YOU. |
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| 05:42.57 | Nyle | *sigh* |
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| 05:43.31 | Nyle | well here is a bowl to everyones good health and properity to debian |
| 05:43.38 | rahul | fuck |
| 05:43.40 | Nyle | fire in the hole. |
| 05:43.40 | Intensity_ | jaredj: Ok, so I did echo `lsmod|grep snd|cut -f1 -d' '` and that gives: snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_emu10k1_synth snd_emu10k1 snd_ac97_codec snd_ac97_bus snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_page_alloc snd_emux_synth snd_seq_virmidi snd_seq_midi_emul snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi snd_rawmidi snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq snd_timer snd_seq_device snd_hwdep snd soundcore snd_util_mem. |
| 05:43.41 | rahul | I need that |
| 05:43.49 | jetscreamer | ToddEDM: btw i found that the .rar's or any compresses/split archive have a tendency to be bad images after you're all done... never torrent rar's or zip's of movies, |
| 05:43.57 | jaredj | k that works |
| 05:43.57 | rahul | I'm so fucking pissed |
| 05:44.02 | jetscreamer | they are just broken too much |
| 05:44.09 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I hate it |
| 05:44.16 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I don't even bother with that |
| 05:44.23 | jetscreamer | me neiter |
| 05:44.31 | ToddEDM | yeah i dont know why people still rar files |
| 05:44.33 | jaredj | I'm from ILLINOIS, BROTHERS! |
| 05:44.55 | ToddEDM | bit torrent splits it up to send faster, no need |
| 05:45.07 | ToddEDM | to rar |
| 05:45.10 | jetscreamer | or you need a password to unrar/unzip it |
| 05:45.12 | Nyle | umm for compression |
| 05:45.23 | Nyle | torrents don't compress files |
| 05:45.26 | rahul | W T F |
| 05:45.33 | jaredj | Intensity_: i've got a bunch of irq disabled thingys, i think that's not a big problem |
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| 05:45.47 | Nyle | rar is still good |
| 05:45.53 | Nyle | however I prefer bzip |
| 05:45.54 | jetscreamer | !comfort rahul |
| 05:45.55 | dpkg | There, there, rahul. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 05:46.16 | Nyle | its the highest compression I've seen so far |
| 05:46.21 | ToddEDM | how much compression can you get a 1 gig movie down to , without it looking like sht |
| 05:46.34 | Intensity_ | jardej: Ok, that's good to know. But I'm not quite sure why I'm getting no output now. I did before. I'm writing manually to /dev/dsp... |
| 05:47.10 | jetscreamer | i like 1.4G ... the 700M's the black sucks |
| 05:47.10 | ToddEDM | yes jet |
| 05:47.11 | ToddEDM | i agree |
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| 05:47.13 | jetscreamer | i'd rather have the dvd personally |
| 05:47.17 | ToddEDM | terrible if you got a big TV |
| 05:47.21 | jetscreamer | high definition! |
| 05:47.29 | rahul | RARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 05:47.39 | rahul | now I can't ctrl-c the fucker |
| 05:47.42 | rahul | I blame fedora |
| 05:47.47 | jetscreamer | you should |
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| 05:47.53 | jetscreamer | get centos if you're going rpm |
| 05:48.07 | rahul | we do RHEL on servers |
| 05:48.22 | Nyle | Redhat HELl |
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| 05:48.24 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:48.25 | jetscreamer | well i ass-u-me you know what centos is |
| 05:48.32 | rahul | ARG |
| 05:48.35 | jetscreamer | so nuff sed |
| 05:48.35 | jaredj | Intensity_: here, ls /dev/snd |
| 05:48.42 | rahul | yeah |
| 05:49.02 | Bogus8_ | OT, anyone know if you can "legally" have a business name that starts with a number? like "123 company"? |
| 05:49.13 | rahul | GARRR |
| 05:49.14 | Bogus8_ | or would that be state based? |
| 05:49.18 | jaredj | depends on the jurisdiction |
| 05:49.19 | jaredj | *punt* |
| 05:49.20 | rahul | fuckloads of regress database instances |
| 05:49.24 | jetscreamer | Bogus8_: here you could.. probably anywhere |
| 05:49.46 | jetscreamer | Bogus8_: usually the dba's are done by the county office |
| 05:49.48 | Nyle | Intensity_: you've ran alsaconf and chosen the appropriate card? |
| 05:49.49 | Bogus8_ | jetscreamer: where is "here"... personally "here" for me is louisina, us |
| 05:49.52 | jetscreamer | at least in texas |
| 05:49.53 | Intensity_ | jaredj: I get: controlC0 controlC1 hwC0D0 hwC0D2 midiC0D0 midiC0D1 midiC0D2 midiC0D3 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1c pcmC0D2c pcmC0D2p pcmC0D3p pcmC0D4c pcmC0D4p pcmC1D0c pcmC1D0p pcmC1D1c pcmC1D2p seq timer. When I try to write to the pcm*'s manually, I get various errors. |
| 05:49.55 | jetscreamer | houston |
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| 05:50.08 | jetscreamer | parish to you then :) |
| 05:50.08 | jaredj | hmmm |
| 05:50.11 | Nyle | Bogus8_: I'm from LA |
| 05:50.14 | Bogus8_ | jetscreamer: ok, cool.. you got it ;) |
| 05:50.15 | Nyle | Baton Rouge |
| 05:50.23 | Bogus8_ | Nyle: excellent |
| 05:50.27 | Bogus8_ | I got a few friends there |
| 05:50.35 | Bogus8_ | play a bit of Disc Golf there... I'm in Lafayette |
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| 05:50.50 | jetscreamer | Bogus8_: you can usually find the info online at the county/parish website |
| 05:50.54 | Nyle | word I used to there all the time to visit this gi... umm nothing |
| 05:51.11 | jaredj | Intensity_: so do i, and mine works |
| 05:51.13 | ToddEDM | <---im in Edmonton |
| 05:51.15 | jetscreamer | heh disc golf? |
| 05:51.25 | ToddEDM | no disc golf in the snow |
| 05:51.27 | Bogus8_ | jetscreamer: just seems too vague to find any info on a website... or maybe your county websites are much better than ours ;) |
| 05:51.32 | jetscreamer | is that like flying disc organisation? |
| 05:51.35 | Nyle | no |
| 05:51.38 | Intensity_ | Nyle: Which subsystem applies here? Is it ALSA? OSS? Do I need a daemon running like esd? I'm running alsaconf right now... |
| 05:51.40 | Nyle | its frisbee golf with cds |
| 05:51.42 | Nyle | afaik |
| 05:51.50 | jetscreamer | i think i stole the houston disc society's sitename |
| 05:51.59 | Bogus8_ | jetscreamer: "frisbie golf" to the lay... or Frolf to the Seinfeld fans ;) |
| 05:52.04 | Nyle | Intensity_: no daemon |
| 05:52.12 | jaredj | Nyle: they're not cd's, foo' |
| 05:52.26 | jetscreamer | http://hfds.org/ |
| 05:52.30 | Bogus8_ | ToddEDM: I got a buddy in Edmonton also |
| 05:52.30 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 05:52.48 | Nyle | Intensity_: run alsaconf and it will detect all sound cards and select the one you want to use, then use alsamixer to set volume levels. I don't really know exactly your problem, but just trying to help |
| 05:52.53 | Intensity_ | jaredj: Is it normal to get errors like Invalid argument, File descriptor in bad state, No such device errors when you try to output something manually to the /dev/snd/pcm* files? |
| 05:52.54 | jetscreamer | i have the .com .. i think they let it lapse at just the right time |
| 05:53.04 | ToddEDM | cool Bogus8_ |
| 05:53.04 | Bogus8_ | jetscreamer: lol |
| 05:53.17 | Intensity_ | Nyle: I appreciate the help. I'll try alsamixer next; I was previously using aumix. |
| 05:53.17 | ToddEDM | maybe i know him ;) |
| 05:53.19 | ToddEDM | haha |
| 05:53.24 | Bogus8_ | jetscreamer: don't expect them to offer to buy it... disc golfers are nortoriously poor ;) |
| 05:53.27 | Bogus8_ | it's a cheap sport |
| 05:53.46 | rahul | fucking ASS weasel |
| 05:53.56 | Bogus8_ | ToddEDM: his name is Dave...hmm, can't remember the last name.. works at the paper mill... his online nick is Alamodem |
| 05:53.57 | jaredj | Intensity_: yes. i just tried it, and my sound works, and i got those errors. |
| 05:54.02 | Bogus8_ | Dave Danek? |
| 05:54.06 | Intensity_ | Nyle: Is /dev/adsp meant to refer to the alsa device? Or /dev/dsp? |
| 05:54.11 | rahul | pandora was about to play the unforgiving blade |
| 05:54.12 | Nyle | Intensity_: alsa susbsystem applies, alsa-oss is a wrapper. /dev/dsp |
| 05:54.20 | jaredj | Intensity_: iirc /dev/adsp is the second one? |
| 05:54.22 | jetscreamer | Bogus8_: no, i've had it for years and use it.. :) |
| 05:54.33 | jetscreamer | but i used to get some of their email |
| 05:54.35 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:54.43 | Bogus8_ | haha |
| 05:54.43 | jaredj | Intensity_: no, nm, that's not it. |
| 05:54.48 | Bogus8_ | I'm sure they will let it go ;) |
| 05:55.14 | rahul | I should go get some dinner, drink a lot, and may by the end of that regression tests will have run |
| 05:55.15 | Nyle | !alsa |
| 05:55.15 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 05:55.23 | jetscreamer | they seem happy with .org... it's been improved since i last looked too.. much betterer |
| 05:55.25 | jaredj | rahul: you'll have regressed :) |
| 05:55.32 | rahul | !!!!!!!!111 |
| 05:57.22 | rahul | I see unit tests running |
| 05:57.23 | jaredj | that's progress |
| 05:57.23 | rahul | ................................................................................ |
| 05:57.23 | rahul | ^^^ PROGRESS |
| 05:57.23 | jaredj | make your egress |
| 05:57.24 | jaredj | before you see regress |
| 05:57.24 | jaredj | ...sions. er. |
| 05:57.24 | rahul | and put a cap in my mistress? |
| 05:57.24 | jaredj | no, your ogress |
| 05:57.25 | rahul | haha |
| 05:57.25 | rahul | I don't have an ogress :\ |
| 05:57.25 | jaredj | well, it ended with gress |
| 05:57.25 | Intensity_ | Nyle: Hmm. Strange. No output at all. |
| 05:57.26 | rahul | oh wait, there's a really nasty dive bar a few blocks away. maybe I can find one there |
| 05:57.26 | sussudio | %fist jaredj |
| 05:57.26 | jaredj | heh |
| 05:57.26 | Nyle | Intensity_: is ther sound output fromt he card on the motherboard/ |
| 05:57.26 | jaredj | lol |
| 05:57.29 | rahul | su su sudio |
| 05:57.42 | jaredj | seriously, what sense does that make |
| 05:57.47 | jaredj | su su sudo, there we go |
| 05:57.55 | jaredj | "Sudo make me a sandwich." |
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| 05:58.19 | jaredj | http://xkcd.com/c149.html |
| 05:58.26 | Intensity_ | Nyle: To check that would it be best for me to run alsaconf again with the other sound device? I've kept the alsaconf with the Audigy2 settings and when I do the play to /dev/dsp I don't hear anything from either the Audigy2 or internal card. But I've not configured alsaconf with the internal card yet. Doing that now. |
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| 05:58.43 | rahul | now I know that I'm too young. my love has just begun. sussudio oh oh |
| 05:59.04 | rahul | oh give me a chance, give me a sign. I'll show her any time. sussudio oh oh |
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| 05:59.24 | sussudio | http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l213/theday725/pigballs.jpg |
| 05:59.31 | Piggy | O_O |
| 05:59.39 | rahul | EXPIRED CREDIT CARDS |
| 05:59.50 | Nyle | Intensity_: how many cards does alsaconf detect? |
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| 06:00.12 | rahul | Piggy: what, are you turned on now? |
| 06:00.27 | rahul | I mean, it would only be appropriate :) |
| 06:01.01 | rahul | does tee buffer? |
| 06:01.15 | rahul | and don't tell me if it bags. |
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| 06:01.59 | Intensity_ | Nyle: It detects two. And yes, I'm now getting output from the internal sound card. It's rather quiet output... about half of what I'd expect. And pcm2 and Digital1 channels in aumix doesn't seem to be adjustable (more like on/off). |
| 06:02.05 | piper69 | hi all |
| 06:02.27 | Nyle | Intensity_: and the audigy is still plugged in? |
| 06:02.41 | rahul | ran 366 tests (4247 assertions, 0 failures, 1 error) |
| 06:02.57 | Intensity_ | Nyle: It's a PCI card and it's still plugged in and being detected by alsaconf. |
| 06:03.31 | Nyle | Intensity_: and when you select it in alsaconf and configure volume levels with alsamixer you get no output from the audigy card? |
| 06:03.33 | Intensity_ | Nyle: I don't have the external audigy front-end hooked up but the ports in the back already include a headphone output. |
| 06:03.55 | Intensity_ | Nyle: Yes that's correct. |
| 06:04.43 | Nyle | !emu10k1 |
| 06:04.43 | dpkg | emu10k1 is probably the OSS driver for the chipset found in the SoundBlaster Live! cards. |
| 06:04.52 | Nyle | !audigy |
| 06:04.52 | dpkg | it has been said that audigy is a fairly new series of soundcards from Creative, it is supposedly supported in the CVS version of the "emu10k1" drivers from opensource.creative.com, or http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9091&group_id=44773, or ask me about alsa |
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| 06:07.15 | Intensity_ | Nyle: If it's being detected and recognized by alsaconf, and if I'm getting no complaints from the OS either from the applications or kernel messages (other than can't hear anything), then might it still be a problem with my configuration rather than a lack of sufficient support for Audigy2? I'm more convinced I'm doing something wrong or not doing enough. :) <brb> |
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| 06:07.16 | rahul | NOOOOOOOO |
| 06:07.17 | rahul | I have regressed |
| 06:07.32 | piper69 | i am running debian 4.0 and i have a netgear ma401 , cardctl ident and iwconfig shows it's installed but i can't get internet thru that eth |
| 06:07.33 | jaredj | lol |
| 06:08.11 | rahul | it's all bad XPATH nonsense |
| 06:08.13 | Nyle | Intensity_: is it possible for you to disable onboard sound through the BIOS at all? |
| 06:08.17 | rahul | fucking non-compiled languages. idiots. |
| 06:08.30 | rahul | why the fuck does anyone think that XML is a good idea? |
| 06:08.37 | jaredj | cause everybody else does |
| 06:08.58 | jaredj | </stream> |
| 06:09.01 | jaredj | bahahaha |
| 06:09.02 | Xormic | XD |
| 06:09.07 | rahul | . |
| 06:09.20 | jetscreamer | piper69: is that isa? |
| 06:09.22 | jaredj | </all_rational_thought> |
| 06:09.32 | DocPlatypus | XML is a good idea when used in the right places. |
| 06:09.37 | piper69 | jetscreamer: its pcmcia |
| 06:09.37 | jaredj | <stream> |
| 06:09.40 | rahul | DocPlatypus: which is NO WHERE |
| 06:09.54 | jaredj | pisspisspisspiss |
| 06:09.59 | DocPlatypus | rahul: there are data formats for which XML makes sense |
| 06:09.59 | rahul | DocPlatypus: no |
| 06:10.08 | piper69 | Ankman: you here bro |
| 06:10.10 | rahul | if your compiler can't detect problems in how you deal with the XML, it's a bad idea. |
| 06:10.40 | DocPlatypus | what makes no sense is an operating system/filesystem that choke on colons in filenames |
| 06:10.46 | jaredj | hear hear |
| 06:11.04 | rahul | what makes no sense is an OS/FS that chokes on slashes in filenames. |
| 06:11.19 | Nyle | what makes no sense is why the fuck is this being bitched about in #debian |
| 06:11.39 | rahul | !bitch Nyle |
| 06:11.40 | simonrvn | !Nyle++ |
| 06:11.49 | Nyle | simonrvn: luv ya |
| 06:11.50 | jaredj | !me++ |
| 06:11.53 | Nyle | ;) |
| 06:11.56 | jaredj | hm |
| 06:12.00 | jaredj | !jaredj++ |
| 06:12.01 | rahul | fjuck |
| 06:12.06 | rahul | I still haven't eaten dinner |
| 06:12.09 | simonrvn | you can't karma yourself |
| 06:12.10 | jaredj | bah |
| 06:12.21 | jaredj | why not, that would be a good thing to do |
| 06:12.25 | jaredj | (-> more karma!) |
| 06:12.32 | simonrvn | no it wouldn't |
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| 06:12.41 | DocPlatypus | rahul: that too |
| 06:12.48 | jetscreamer | piper69: i had a netgear ea-201 ... i had to pass it the irq and ports on the modprobe line, but modconf stored those values for me in /etc/modules iirc ... not sure if this applies to you, but it's a netgear |
| 06:13.11 | jaredj | whatever, that wasn't funny |
| 06:13.13 | rahul | what makes no sense is a shell that can't treat objects as objects |
| 06:13.14 | jaredj | unlike mee |
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| 06:13.35 | jaredj | hmm hsh is out, rahul |
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| 06:13.45 | zeeble | tenzing_: um. bt is bhutan? |
| 06:14.08 | tenzing_ | zeeble: yeah |
| 06:14.11 | Nyle | Bhutan always reminds me of corn |
| 06:14.12 | piper69 | jetscreamer: i really don't know what to do, abrotman and gena, and ankman they all tried to help me but no luck |
| 06:14.14 | rahul | uh oh, it's a government delegation |
| 06:14.15 | jetscreamer | !karma jaredj |
| 06:14.15 | dpkg | jaredj has neutral karma |
| 06:14.19 | rahul | I better behave myself |
| 06:14.19 | zeeble | tenzing_: nice :) |
| 06:14.23 | tenzing_ | does debian have suns java?? |
| 06:14.23 | piper69 | am using hostap |
| 06:14.33 | rahul | tenzing_: no |
| 06:14.36 | rahul | er yes |
| 06:14.39 | rahul | I read that as hate :) |
| 06:14.53 | jaredj | heh |
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| 06:15.01 | zeeble | you need sleep |
| 06:15.09 | jetscreamer | piper69: i guess you read these: http://www.google.com/linux?q=netgear+ma401&restrict=linux |
| 06:15.16 | rahul | !info sun-java5-bin |
| 06:15.17 | dpkg | sun-java5-bin: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture dependent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 21831 kB, Installed size: 65204 kB |
| 06:15.52 | rahul | !info sun-java6-bin |
| 06:15.54 | dpkg | sun-java6-bin: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 6-00-2 (sid), Packaged size: 25604 kB, Installed size: 76680 kB |
| 06:16.04 | Nyle | rahul: please use /msg |
| 06:16.16 | rahul | I'm not the one who needs the answers, foo |
| 06:16.48 | jetscreamer | !tell rahul -about -about |
| 06:16.49 | keram | how do i use gdb to debug my c program capture.c? |
| 06:16.55 | Nyle | rahul: you should ask him if he is on sarge or etch/sid |
| 06:17.04 | Nyle | rahul: java in debian depends on which release it is |
| 06:17.18 | tenzing_ | so suns java is not in etch? |
| 06:17.18 | rahul | he'll be on etch soon enough :P |
| 06:17.27 | jetscreamer | LIES! |
| 06:17.30 | Nyle | tenzing_: it is |
| 06:17.31 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:17.32 | rahul | it's in etch |
| 06:17.54 | jaredj | JAVAS! |
| 06:18.33 | tenzing_ | Nyle: it is?? |
| 06:18.37 | Intensity_ | Nyle: It was working before... And I'm getting no real "errors" other than can't hear the sound. This boot, I ran "init 2" manually and did a lot by hand because I'm running a loop-aes encrypted root. |
| 06:18.40 | jetscreamer | piper69: or better, maybe http://www.google.com/linux?q=netgear+ma401+debian&restrict=linux |
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| 06:19.17 | Nyle | Intensity_: what happened during the time that it was working and non-functional |
| 06:19.39 | Nyle | Intensity_: what did you do ? |
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| 06:20.01 | Nyle | !tell tenzing_ -about dpkgbot |
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| 06:20.14 | Intensity_ | Nyle: Just a transfer of the filesystem over to a new partition, and then a "manual boot" as described. I ran "exec init s" to enter single-user, then "telinit 2". |
| 06:21.19 | Nyle | Intensity_: I'm sorry but I have to ask... are the wires connected? |
| 06:21.28 | Nyle | cables etc. |
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| 06:21.35 | jetscreamer | piper69: you might read the "This is what I did before" section on http://www.contactor.se/~matsl/HowtoLinuxOnMitac8170.html |
| 06:21.37 | Nyle | stuff plugged in? |
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| 06:21.52 | corpcomp | Before I make an attempt at "Tutorial: ISP-style Email Service with Debian-Sarge and Postfix 2.1" from http://workaround.org I would like to know about any prerequists not mentioned. Yes I have attempted this before and it bombed. I have several registered domains hosted by my registra. I have MDaemon (a microsoft OS product) that works fine, but costs big bucks (USD$12K) every 2 years. For this Debian install, |
| 06:21.59 | Intensity_ | Nyle: Well, the only thing that's connected is the headphones. I don't have the external box connected; it's not necessary since it worked fine without it. |
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| 06:22.21 | Nyle | Intensity_: headphone is connected to the proper sound port? |
| 06:22.29 | Nyle | Intensity_: as in to the proper card |
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| 06:22.38 | Intensity_ | Nyle: Yes. |
| 06:22.58 | Nyle | Intensity_: ok so this is not beginning to annoy me because I can't figure it out |
| 06:23.01 | Nyle | now* |
| 06:23.29 | Nyle | Intensity_: run alsa mixer and see which card it is using |
| 06:23.39 | Intensity_ | Nyle: I'm not hearing much of a "pop" sound when I plug in the headphone, like I hear when I plug it into the motherboard sound card. |
| 06:23.48 | rubenz | Suppose I install debian on an external (firewire) hard drive. Can I then use that hard drive to boot up another machine (with the similar kind of cpu)? |
| 06:24.22 | Intensity_ | Nyle: I last configured it to use the internal motherboard card...in order to test that one out. I'm guessing I'd first have to reconfigure with alsaconf to make it default to the Audigy2 now. |
| 06:24.25 | rahul | rubenz: similar devices is more important |
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| 06:24.37 | rahul | rubenz: it has to have a compatible firewire controller |
| 06:24.38 | cahoot | Intensity_: sorry to bust in - but if the problem is an unexplainably silent emu10k1 card it might be worth toggling the 'Analog/Digital output Jack' in alsamixer |
| 06:24.38 | signuts_ | How do I extract a .deb file? |
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| 06:24.52 | jetscreamer | rubenz: you can take any debian install and boot any computer, basically, as long as the architecture matches (x86 x86) when you use etch |
| 06:24.52 | Nyle | signuts_: with ar |
| 06:24.56 | Nyle | ar x deb |
| 06:24.59 | Nyle | man ar |
| 06:25.08 | jetscreamer | depends mostly if the hardware is supported |
| 06:25.25 | rahul | damn it |
| 06:25.28 | signuts_ | thanks |
| 06:25.35 | rahul | I'm gonna have to wait till the germans wake up or something |
| 06:25.49 | rahul | ARG my clean checkout is of trunk! |
| 06:25.53 | Intensity_ | cahoot: I'll check that... |
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| 06:26.39 | rahul | I'm gonna die |
| 06:26.42 | rahul | I need food |
| 06:26.52 | rahul | fuck, and a beer. |
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| 06:27.10 | signuts_ | Doesn't that mean I can't extract .debs on other architectures? (in response to using ar x blah.deb to extract .deb files) |
| 06:27.20 | signuts_ | rahul: I have a corona |
| 06:27.30 | Nyle | !wayttd |
| 06:27.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 06:27.35 | Nyle | signuts_: ^^ |
| 06:27.52 | Intensity_ | cahoot: Hmm. I'm not able to change the setting. Don't know of a keystroke that will make a change for that setting. |
| 06:28.19 | Intensity_ | cahoot: Its current state is: Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack [Off] |
| 06:28.23 | rubenz | I wanted to install debian off a dvd because it is, I assume, faster that way. Problem is my ibook has no dvd drive. But my mac-mini does have one. I'm trying to figure out a way to install debian on the ibook. |
| 06:28.28 | rahul | I'll give you a chromosphere! |
| 06:29.18 | Nyle | rubenz: the debian installation manual contains information on all possible methods of installing debian. consult that as well |
| 06:29.26 | Nyle | !tell rubenz -about ig |
| 06:29.38 | cahoot | Intensity_: ok that's probalby as should be - toggling is done with the 'm' key otherwise |
| 06:29.58 | Nyle | rubenz: check for ppc arch. also #debian-ppc on irc.debian.org |
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| 06:30.16 | Nyle | sorry #debianppc |
| 06:31.28 | rahul | YES |
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| 06:31.39 | rahul | snap your fingers, snap your neck! |
| 06:31.48 | Nyle | Busta Rhymes? |
| 06:31.50 | Intensity_ | cahoot: Aha, changing that made it work now! |
| 06:31.53 | Nyle | no wait, that was break yo neck |
| 06:32.04 | rahul | Prong |
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| 06:32.12 | rahul | shitty band, but the lyrics rock |
| 06:32.16 | Nyle | Intensity_: cahoot: so that is what it was eh |
| 06:32.50 | Intensity_ | Nyle: Yes, I think so. Not sure why it had worked before, unless the default setting for that value was changed somehow... |
| 06:32.57 | rahul | jello wrestling party sunday! |
| 06:33.03 | cahoot | Nyle: if it was - don't ask me why |
| 06:33.11 | Nyle | awe! I was just about to |
| 06:33.17 | Nyle | hehe ok cahoot I won't ask |
| 06:34.28 | e1z0 | ryc |
| 06:34.59 | rahul | I wonhder if I'll be able to stick around sunday |
| 06:35.01 | Intensity_ | Nyle: Now the only thing is that the overall sound output level is low, like 30% lower of what I'd expect at the maximum setting... but at least it works. |
| 06:35.17 | rahul | hmm, it's cheaper for me if I bring a chick... what if I bring 3? :P |
| 06:35.33 | Nyle | no one cares |
| 06:35.37 | rahul | all things to ponder while I eat |
| 06:35.59 | rahul | Nyle: this is what you're missing, you not-quite-even-texan |
| 06:36.38 | rahul | and I'm missing food in my stomach. bbiab |
| 06:36.42 | Nyle | it is time for potting |
| 06:36.46 | Nyle | be back soon |
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| 06:43.09 | jetscreamer | brbbl |
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| 06:47.48 | tenzing_ | !sun's java |
| 06:48.01 | Guerin | tenzing_: just ask about java |
| 06:48.12 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 06:48.12 | dpkg | dpkgbot is, like, Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 06:48.25 | stoned | tenzing_: please consult the above wiki link |
| 06:48.28 | tenzing_ | !java |
| 06:48.28 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 06:48.32 | tenzing_ | Guerin: :) |
| 06:48.47 | stoned | Guerin: whats up man |
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| 07:01.18 | manu_hack | hi, I'm running a debian installer, now i'm asked whether to partition disks, |
| 07:01.42 | manu_hack | i have a win in there with only 1 G of free space, is that possible to do that? |
| 07:03.00 | manu_hack | i mean is it dangerous to do the resize? |
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| 07:03.32 | hyper_ch | hiya, how can I found out what users are currently logged in on my debian machine? TOP displays 3 users but I should be the only one |
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| 07:09.55 | fossilz | I tried to apt-get install mrtg and related packages, got a few errors because gd and other stuff wasnt installed.. i managed to install what was needed and get it going.. the problem was... |
| 07:10.00 | rcbarnes | Is there a fat32 defrag tool avail. (for Linux, naturally)? |
| 07:10.01 | fossilz | it didnt seem to be updating.. |
| 07:10.25 | fossilz | so i did an apt-get remove and deleted the cfg files etc relating to it.. |
| 07:10.39 | fossilz | now when i try apt-get install mrtg etc.. |
| 07:10.50 | fossilz | it doesnt give me new cfg files to edit |
| 07:10.58 | fossilz | any ideas how i can fix this ? |
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| 07:11.35 | eshaase | when partitioning my disk using fdisk what is the difference between W95 FAT32 and W95 FAT232 (LBA)? |
| 07:12.10 | BUMBACL0T | hey, what filesystem should i use for my jump drive, FAT or FAT32 and why? |
| 07:12.30 | hyper_ch | hiya, how can I found out what users are currently logged in on my debian machine? TOP displays 3 users but I should be the only one |
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| 07:16.15 | DocPlatypus | hyper_ch: sure that's not you logged in three times? |
| 07:16.30 | DocPlatypus | try the command "w" |
| 07:17.25 | hyper_ch | DocPlatypus: hmmm, who tells me I'm logged in 3 times... twice from yesterday... |
| 07:18.19 | hyper_ch | but I wonder know how I can kill those to other instances |
| 07:19.01 | hyper_ch | and the strange thing is, squid somehow doesn't want to work anymore... I get timeouts... that's why I started checking |
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| 07:20.22 | hyper_ch | it seems that squid problem was not a problem with squid but with the webpages I tried to access :) |
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| 07:24.32 | rahul | ok |
| 07:24.39 | rahul | had some dinner and a beer |
| 07:24.47 | rahul | I wonder if I should make myself fall alseep |
| 07:24.52 | jstevens | I have two devices that SANE detects on my Etch box: a PCI based video capture card and a Canon flatbed scanner. When I run xsane, it defaults to using the video capture card. I want to use the flatbed scanner and don't see how to change the input device within xsane. Any ideas? |
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| 07:25.04 | zeeble | i was wondering why i was this hungry..and i realised i had breakfast at 5 |
| 07:25.47 | rahul | erg |
| 07:25.54 | rahul | solar storm |
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| 07:28.01 | Winkie | hey guys, someone wanna recommend a simple smtp transport to me? i'm guessing nbsmtp or ssmtp but i have no idea which |
| 07:28.18 | rahul | ssmtp or nullmailer |
| 07:28.30 | rahul | exim if you need some real features. |
| 07:29.31 | karsten | Um stupid question: how do I restore Konqueror's menus (I've disabled them). |
| 07:30.45 | hyper_ch | karsten: hmm, how did you disable them? |
| 07:31.19 | karsten | hyper_ch: Clicked on the settings, menu, hide option thing by accident. |
| 07:31.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:32.06 | Guerin | click on the settings menu and select `unhide' |
| 07:32.11 | hyper_ch | you may try the konq config files in ~/.kde/share/config |
| 07:32.19 | Guerin | hold on |
| 07:32.26 | karsten | Guerin: pleasure yourself. |
| 07:32.28 | karsten | Guerin: Can't. Do. That. |
| 07:32.28 | Guerin | this shouldn't require editing a config file |
| 07:32.44 | karsten | It doesn't. There's a hotkey. |
| 07:32.44 | hyper_ch | Guerin: I don't know :) |
| 07:32.45 | Guerin | karsten: :) |
| 07:32.45 | karsten | I just don't remember it. |
| 07:32.50 | karsten | If someone can fire up konq for a sec.... |
| 07:33.24 | hyper_ch | karsten: try ctrl-m |
| 07:33.29 | eshaase | how come when i do a 'sudo pvcreate /dev/hda7 && sudo pvdisplay' it shows my pv at /dev/evms/hda7 instead of /dev/hda7? |
| 07:33.32 | karsten | Danke! |
| 07:33.35 | karsten | !beer hyper_ch |
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| 07:33.50 | hyper_ch | !de |
| 07:33.50 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 07:33.51 | karsten | That's a *really* annoying feature of konq. |
| 07:33.58 | jstevens | Any idea how to change scanner input devices in xsane on Etch? Various sources online refer to a scannersource field in the main window. Well, it's not there. :^) |
| 07:34.30 | hyper_ch | karsten: disable that short cut then :) |
| 07:34.51 | karsten | hyper_ch: It's the menu item itself. |
| 07:34.58 | hyper_ch | Dewi: I did download once the db of RIPE |
| 07:35.07 | hyper_ch | it was extracted about 400 mb I think |
| 07:35.20 | Dewi | hyper_ch: is that all of it? |
| 07:35.32 | karsten | hyper_ch: As I just mentioned on #kde, what's really annoying is the KDE disables the menu accelerators (eg: <alt>-S-M) if the menu's not visible. |
| 07:35.32 | hyper_ch | well, just the European IPs |
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| 07:35.56 | Dewi | hyper_ch: my mind is hereby boggling |
| 07:36.05 | hyper_ch | I don't use kde |
| 07:37.55 | hyper_ch | Dewi: how comes? |
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| 07:37.56 | Dewi | hyper_ch: well I knew it was big but... tens of thousands of additions each and every day, sustained for years... |
| 07:37.56 | Dewi | hyper_ch: never thought about how big that would get before |
| 07:37.59 | Dewi | hyper_ch: I would love to know the complete total number of zones |
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| 07:38.00 | hyper_ch | Dewi: ask them :) |
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| 07:38.23 | hyper_ch | on digg.com yesterday was a list presented of the 100 oldest registered domains :) |
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| 07:39.36 | WuPeak | hi there. |
| 07:39.46 | WuPeak | how can i find out, what charset my system uses? |
| 07:40.59 | karsten | WuPeak: 'locale' |
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| 07:41.44 | WuPeak | karsten : what means LANG=POSIX? |
| 07:42.50 | karsten | WuPeak: It mean's you're using a bog-standard locale. |
| 07:43.08 | karsten | WuPeak: The more interesting question might be "what charset do you _want_ your system to support?" |
| 07:43.23 | WuPeak | karsten : i would like to use utf-8 |
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| 07:43.42 | karsten | WuPeak: aptitude install locales; dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 07:44.16 | hyper_ch | karsten: does the ; work to combine commands? I used so far && |
| 07:44.21 | karsten | WuPeak: ... and set your default locale to something sensible, eg: de_CH-utf8 |
| 07:44.33 | hyper_ch | sensible? |
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| 07:44.56 | karsten | hyper_ch: ';' is a command seperator. '&&' runs the right hand side if the left hand side is successful. || runs the right hand side if the left hand side is *un*successful. |
| 07:44.57 | WuPeak | karsten : thx a lot |
| 07:45.13 | karsten | hyper_ch: .... and '|' sends stdout of the left hand side to the right as stdin |
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| 07:45.27 | karsten | hyper_ch: sleep 10; echo "What a wait" |
| 07:45.42 | karsten | hyper_ch: true && echo "It is" |
| 07:45.49 | karsten | hyper_ch: false || echo "It isn't" |
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| 07:46.14 | karsten | hyper_ch: date | sed 's/:/##/g' |
| 07:46.20 | karsten | hyper_ch: Get the drift? |
| 07:46.32 | hyper_ch | sort of |
| 07:46.35 | hyper_ch | :) |
| 07:46.35 | Guerin | woo, karsten's skool of bash |
| 07:46.42 | hyper_ch | ps aux | grep apache2 |
| 07:46.43 | hyper_ch | ^^ |
| 07:46.57 | karsten | hyper_ch: You can also combine the && and || operators for a simple if-then case. |
| 07:47.00 | hyper_ch | you shall not bash other people :) |
| 07:47.10 | karsten | hyper_ch: <some command> && run if true || run if false |
| 07:47.47 | hyper_ch | s/c r/k |
| 07:47.49 | hyper_ch | ^^ |
| 07:47.51 | karsten | hyper_ch: tar czvf /dev/null . |
| 07:47.57 | karsten | :-) |
| 07:48.00 | hyper_ch | karsten: that's to simple :) |
| 07:48.03 | hyper_ch | too |
| 07:48.20 | hyper_ch | I have rather an exotic script that does incremental snapshot backups :) |
| 07:48.35 | Guerin | use rsnapshot |
| 07:48.50 | karsten | hyper_ch: Then there's the "for item in list" construct. for color in red blue green purple; do echo "$color is my favorite."; done] |
| 07:48.51 | hyper_ch | Guerin: I made my own :) |
| 07:48.53 | WuPeak | karsten: do i have to restart the system after reconfiguring the locales |
| 07:49.00 | karsten | Um, minus the ']' at the end. |
| 07:49.03 | karsten | WuPeak: No. |
| 07:49.11 | karsten | WuPeak: Might want to reexec your shell(s) though. |
| 07:49.34 | karsten | WuPeak: 'exec bash' will do it if you set LANG=<value> in ~/.bashrc. New shells will get that right automatically. |
| 07:49.49 | hyper_ch | anyway, I gotta go and buy a new sata cable :( |
| 07:49.49 | simonrvn | restart the system? oh wait, like after a power outage or krenel upgrade? |
| 07:50.02 | WuPeak | karsten: thx... |
| 07:50.08 | karsten | simonrvn: ... or multiple NFS filesystem hangs. |
| 07:50.20 | karsten | WuPeak: Denada. |
| 07:50.29 | simonrvn | kernel* |
| 07:51.17 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:51.18 | simonrvn | yeh that hurts |
| 07:51.22 | simonrvn | ECHAN before |
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| 07:53.16 | simonrvn | sometimes you can't just lazy unmount and cross your fingers ;p |
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| 07:53.58 | karsten | simonrvn: Hell, sometimes the system won't even reboot cleanly. |
| 07:54.09 | simonrvn | yeh :/ |
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| 07:54.31 | karsten | simonrvn: I've written "reboot-emphatic" and "shutdown-emphatic" scripts to force an unclean shutdown after a period of time if a regular init-bases shutdown fails. |
| 07:54.44 | simonrvn | cool |
| 07:55.03 | karsten | Basically: ( sleep 240; shutdown -fr now) & shutdown -r now |
| 07:55.15 | simonrvn | nice |
| 07:55.37 | karsten | ... backgrounds a forced shutdown request w ~4 minute sleep, tries to invoke normal. |
| 07:55.39 | karsten | Yeah. |
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| 07:55.46 | karsten | It's cutting trips to the DC by quite a bit. |
| 07:55.53 | corpcomp | how can I get apt-get to install with dependencies? |
| 07:56.07 | karsten | One time I made the trip only to realize the server *had* rebooted, it just never stopped being pingable for long. |
| 07:56.14 | c00lfon | karsten, man 8 shutdown. ;-) |
| 07:56.17 | karsten | corpcomp: Normally. |
| 07:56.38 | karsten | c00lfon: The tricky part was getting this to work on 4 OS versions. |
| 07:56.45 | karsten | c00lfon: Not just Linux. |
| 07:56.53 | c00lfon | Mhm. (; |
| 07:57.06 | karsten | c00lfon: apt-get (or better: aptitude) install packages with deps. That's what they exist for. |
| 07:57.12 | karsten | !tell c00lfon about aptitude |
| 07:57.24 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:57.31 | c00lfon | corpcomp. not me. ;) |
| 07:57.46 | karsten | c00lfon: Point. |
| 07:57.49 | karsten | corpcomp: ^^ |
| 07:57.50 | c00lfon | !tell corpcomp about aptitude |
| 07:57.51 | c00lfon | ;P |
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| 07:58.08 | karsten | Thanks ;-) |
| 07:58.10 | corpcomp | karsten: and that would be??? I am currently issuing the follwing command "apt-get install packagename" The error is "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" |
| 07:58.42 | karsten | corpcomp: Stable or unstable? |
| 07:58.49 | corpcomp | stable |
| 07:59.07 | ski | my X server seems to have hung (Ctrl-Alt-BckSpc doesn't work, Ctrl-Alt-F# neither) .. i probably want to stop the X server, and later restart it, what should i do/read ? |
| 07:59.25 | karsten | corpcomp: What package? |
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| 07:59.47 | peterbus | I accidentally answered "is hardware clock set to GMT ?" in my debian installation. Now I have a full system but my clock is screwed up. How can I change it back ? |
| 07:59.49 | ski | (i have a vanilla sarge install) |
| 07:59.58 | xerophyte | does anybody know any site which list all the new books published each month which is related linux? |
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| 08:00.02 | karsten | peterbus: man hwclock |
| 08:00.09 | karsten | peterbus: hwclock -u (as root) |
| 08:00.42 | peterbus | my hardware clock is fine, theres some other config that is wrong |
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| 08:01.01 | corpcomp | karsten: libsasl2-modules-sql and anything I attempt to install. I can use aptitude but I don't like it. |
| 08:01.11 | karsten | peterbus: Um. Install ntpd-simple or chrony |
| 08:01.52 | peterbus | yes, thought of that, but it will screw up my dual-boot |
| 08:02.06 | k-man_ | in aptitude, how can i see all the upgradeable packages? |
| 08:02.13 | peterbus | actually, I think the answer is in man hwclock... thanks :) |
| 08:02.24 | ski | any hint ? |
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| 08:03.21 | karsten | peterbus: Your hwclock doesn't particularly matter. |
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| 08:03.46 | karsten | peterbus: It's used to initialize the systme clock at boot. Worst that happens is yor syslog timestamps are off during boot until ntpdate does its thing. |
| 08:04.25 | rubenz | I don't understand the different choices for configuring exim v4 in the debian installer. What do I choose if I just want to download email normally? |
| 08:04.28 | peterbus | I think I did it with "hwclock --localtime --hctosys --directisa" |
| 08:04.46 | peterbus | although Xorg went down a couple of seconds... spooked me out :p |
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| 08:05.35 | karsten | peterbus: Probably twiddled your xscreensaver / screen blanking. |
| 08:05.53 | corpcomp | in aptitude 0.2.15.9 how can I search for a package? |
| 08:05.54 | karsten | peterbus: It's pretty common to have your screensaver activate when doing things like that if the time-shifts are large. |
| 08:06.39 | peterbus | yup... thanks for the tip |
| 08:06.40 | rubenz | What is exim4? |
| 08:06.42 | karsten | corpcomp: aptitude search <term> |
| 08:06.51 | karsten | !tell rubenz about search |
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| 08:09.19 | WuPeak | how can i find out, what charset a file has? |
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| 08:13.59 | rubenz | I've installed xfce4. How do I load up the desktop environment? |
| 08:14.32 | insmod | rubenz: xfce4_setup |
| 08:14.39 | insmod | rubenz: startxfce4 |
| 08:14.41 | karsten | WuPeak: You can't, really, and it doesn't particularly make sense that you could. |
| 08:14.57 | insmod | rubenz: xfce3 was better |
| 08:15.13 | karsten | WuPeak: 'iconv' (part of lib6) will convert a file _to_ a particular locale. You might try doing that and see whether there's any change. |
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| 08:15.42 | WuPeak | karsten: thx. i'll have a look at iconv |
| 08:15.50 | karsten | WuPeak: However, a local/charset is really defined by what is or isn't in a file, and the answer might be any of several valid answers (eg: what charset is the null file?). |
| 08:16.14 | karsten | WuPeak: Best you can say is "this file contains no characters _not_ in <specified> charset" |
| 08:16.16 | litage | i have postfix running on a dedicated box. when i telnet into mail.voxpak.com from my workstation or a server from "subnetA", postfix understands "EHLO foobar". but if i telnet in from "subnetB" or from some other domain (eg: deadorange.com), postfix says "502: command not implemented". why would this split personality occur? |
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| 08:17.00 | WuPeak | karsten: i see. its a bit more difficult then i thought. |
| 08:17.15 | karsten | WuPeak: It frequently is ;-) |
| 08:17.34 | ma3x | my isp keeps lowering my bandwidth every 3-4 days. does this happen normally with adsl providers? |
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| 08:17.43 | ma3x | then I have to reset my router to get the real speed back |
| 08:18.02 | WuPeak | karsten: thx a lot. |
| 08:18.12 | karsten | WuPeak: NP. |
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| 08:18.54 | insmod | ma3x: your router is at fault -- it needs to refresh the ip faster |
| 08:19.39 | ma3x | insmod: what can I do? change something in the router? |
| 08:19.52 | insmod | ma3x: yup |
| 08:19.55 | corpcomp | If I run aptitude search postfix I get a list of files. I then go aptitude install postfix-doc (list as v postfix-doc) I get "Package postfix-doc has no installation candidate" |
| 08:20.10 | ma3x | insmod: what? |
| 08:20.22 | insmod | ma3x: i don't have your router |
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| 08:20.57 | ma3x | insmod: modem/router (hitachi ah4222) |
| 08:21.35 | insmod | ma3x: no idea mine is d-link -- and i would lower the lease time |
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| 08:22.46 | ma3x | insmod: is that somewhere in the 'route and gateway' options or under 'dsl'? |
| 08:22.49 | rubenz | I keep etting xinit: No such file or directory (errono 2): no server "X" in PATH. |
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| 08:22.55 | scx | what's the diference between /dev/random and /dev/urandom apart of the write permission? |
| 08:23.09 | litage | scx: man urandom |
| 08:23.12 | insmod | ma3x: again i i don't have that router |
| 08:23.28 | karsten | scx: Ideally, the difference is random. |
| 08:23.44 | ma3x | insmod: can you telnet to it? |
| 08:23.54 | scx | :) |
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| 08:24.11 | insmod | ma3x: http |
| 08:24.13 | scx | didn't know there was a man about it, tnks |
| 08:24.20 | karsten | rubenz: Your path should include /usr/X11/bin (or /usr/bin/X11) |
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| 08:24.37 | karsten | scx: files (eg: devices, config files) are in section 5. |
| 08:24.47 | ma3x | insmod: I mean can you telnet to it and see if it has the option? |
| 08:24.50 | karsten | scx: man 5 urandom, eg. |
| 08:25.05 | rubenz | my path contains /usr/bin/X11 |
| 08:25.06 | karsten | erm. Nope, that's in section 4. |
| 08:25.18 | insmod | ma3x: no read your help |
| 08:25.29 | karsten | Ah. Special files, 4. File formats, 5. |
| 08:25.55 | ma3x | insmod: this lease time option should be for the router getting the ip from the isp, and not me getting the ip from the router. correct? |
| 08:26.38 | insmod | ma3x: both |
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| 08:27.37 | ma3x | insmod: I have disabled DHCP on the router. I use static for the internal network. could that be the problem? |
| 08:27.58 | rubenz | startxfce4 still gives me this error: xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
| 08:28.23 | insmod | ma3x: that's it |
| 08:28.56 | karsten | rubenz: You want a space there. |
| 08:29.03 | karsten | rubenz: 'startx xfce4' |
| 08:29.03 | ma3x | ok thanks insmod |
| 08:29.13 | insmod | ma3x: your connection is dhcp for the network just asign an address to a mac |
| 08:29.22 | karsten | rubenz: ... and in general that means you've got a slightly horked configuration |
| 08:29.33 | karsten | !tell rubenz about set up x |
| 08:29.48 | insmod | karsten: no startxfce4 |
| 08:29.49 | ma3x | insmod: well that has nothing to do with the isp lowering my bandwidth every 4th day |
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| 08:30.21 | karsten | insmod: He'll need to start X as well. |
| 08:30.31 | insmod | ma3x: ya it puts you on a bad -- old node -- i think it is |
| 08:30.37 | insmod | karsten: that does it |
| 08:30.38 | karsten | rubenz: Um: try: 'startx startxfce4' |
| 08:30.42 | karsten | rubenz: ... from console. |
| 08:30.46 | insmod | karsten: no startxfce4 |
| 08:31.10 | insmod | karsten: from console |
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| 08:31.17 | Tadej | hi |
| 08:31.21 | insmod | karsten: from console startxfce4 |
| 08:31.37 | rubenz | hmm. Should I uninstall xfce4 and then install x-window-system first? |
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| 08:32.06 | zeeble | just put startxfce4 into your xsession, or xinitrc, and type startx |
| 08:32.08 | Tadej | Reading package lists... Done |
| 08:32.08 | Tadej | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 08:32.08 | Tadej | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 08:32.09 | Tadej | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:32.15 | karsten | insmod: OK, I believe you now ;-) |
| 08:32.32 | insmod | rubenz: you have no X? |
| 08:32.36 | rubenz | no |
| 08:32.37 | zeeble | startxfce4 has the startx script installed? |
| 08:32.46 | rubenz | dunno? |
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| 08:33.03 | Tadej | sorry about that |
| 08:33.08 | Tadej | it was a mistake |
| 08:33.08 | insmod | rubenz: did you apt-get it ? it should have included deps |
| 08:33.25 | Tadej | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5567 |
| 08:33.32 | Tadej | anyone knows how to fit this? |
| 08:33.35 | Tadej | fix even |
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| 08:34.05 | rubenz | I installed xfce4 with aptitude |
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| 08:34.20 | insmod | zeeble: so does startkde etc |
| 08:34.49 | insmod | rubenz: never used it much -- but it should be ok |
| 08:35.01 | rubenz | insmod: what? |
| 08:35.13 | zeeble | insmod: heh, ok. i put them all into my .xinitrc... |
| 08:36.26 | karsten | zeeble: Yep. I just tested to confirm. |
| 08:36.39 | karsten | rubenz: you'll need to install an X server as well. |
| 08:36.39 | zeeble | karsten: nice |
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| 08:36.54 | Chris-NB | hi |
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| 08:37.06 | rubenz | karsten: so do I just install x-window-system? Do I need to uninstall xfce4 first? |
| 08:37.15 | Chris-NB | anyone using an adaptec AAR-2420SA in a debian box? |
| 08:37.16 | insmod | Tadej: Starting internet superserver: inetdinvoke-rc.d: initscript openbsd-inetd, action "start" failed. |
| 08:37.20 | simonrvn | xfce4 doesn't install an xserver |
| 08:37.20 | karsten | rubenz: Yes to first, no to second. |
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| 08:37.26 | Chris-NB | it's a sata controller |
| 08:39.45 | Tadej | insmod: so what should I do? |
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| 08:40.20 | karsten | rubenz: X is a client-server windowing system. You can have clients (apps, eg: xfce4's components) without the server, you can have a server without clients. In your case you want both. |
| 08:40.56 | insmod | Tadej: don't install openbsd-inetd -- or that version |
| 08:41.33 | rubenz | karsten: Ok but now it's asking me this: Please enter the video card's bus identifier. What on earth do I put there? |
| 08:41.43 | karsten | rubenz: Nothing. |
| 08:41.46 | rubenz | ok |
| 08:41.49 | karsten | rubenz: Note that it says that that's optional. |
| 08:41.57 | Tadej | insmod: and now what? |
| 08:41.58 | Tadej | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 08:42.00 | Tadej | ... |
| 08:42.06 | karsten | rubenz: Necessary if doing dual-head. |
| 08:42.07 | Tadej | how do I make it update all? |
| 08:42.20 | karsten | Tadej: it's updating what it can. |
| 08:42.22 | Tadej | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 23 not upgraded. |
| 08:42.31 | karsten | Tadej: Find out the reason for the holds. |
| 08:42.41 | rubenz | karsten: Do I enable kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 08:42.46 | karsten | rubenz: You about done? Just accept defaults. |
| 08:42.48 | karsten | rubenz: No. |
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| 08:43.01 | rubenz | no? but it seems to default to yes. |
| 08:43.07 | insmod | Tadej: remove openbsd-inetd -- update then reinstall openbsd-inetd |
| 08:43.09 | karsten | rubenz: You can always come back and fix it later. |
| 08:43.18 | karsten | rubenz: JUST SAY NO TO FRAMEBUFFER |
| 08:43.38 | karsten | rubenz: It works, but it's dog slow. |
| 08:43.40 | Tadej | insmod: I did that |
| 08:43.53 | karsten | rubenz: ... so it's a safe "yes" but one you really don't want. |
| 08:43.58 | insmod | Tadej: and |
| 08:43.59 | Tadej | insmod: w8 Ill paste it |
| 08:44.32 | karsten | rubenz: ask channel from here on out, I'm gone. |
| 08:44.36 | Tadej | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5568 |
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| 08:45.07 | Shirakawasuna | hi, I've been thinking of trying out debian testing, but I was wondering: for all of you in testing, I've heard that things can get a bit messy when there's a new stable release. What do you do around that time? |
| 08:45.23 | karsten | Shirakawasuna: Heavy drugs. |
| 08:45.25 | h3xis | panic |
| 08:45.30 | Shirakawasuna | hehe |
| 08:45.32 | Shirakawasuna | seriously? :) |
| 08:45.40 | karsten | Well... |
| 08:45.40 | Tadej | insmod: any idea? |
| 08:45.41 | Shirakawasuna | do you just not update for a while? |
| 08:45.44 | karsten | Shirakawasuna: Both, actually. |
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| 08:46.18 | Shirakawasuna | can apt get me drugs? |
| 08:46.20 | zeeble | i have had breakage happen for me twice.. but in unstable :) |
| 08:46.25 | jelly-home | I like to indulge in alcoholic beverages |
| 08:46.33 | insmod | Tadej: most of what you have is up to date and if you install the rest i might break it so it is holding off |
| 08:46.49 | insmod | Tadej: run apt-get update |
| 08:46.49 | Tadej | so there is no problem? |
| 08:46.59 | insmod | Tadej: no |
| 08:47.07 | Tadej | ok thank you |
| 08:47.10 | rubenz | Fatal error |
| 08:47.23 | simonrvn | i've had glibc break, pam break, and both were eventually recoverable |
| 08:47.27 | insmod | Tadej: :) |
| 08:47.29 | simonrvn | i mean big breaks |
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| 08:47.59 | rubenz | startxfce4 did some stuff then exists with: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 08:48.09 | simonrvn | i still get leery of glibc updates |
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| 08:48.46 | insmod | rubenz: your x setup is wrong |
| 08:49.05 | insmod | simonrvn: as do I |
| 08:49.07 | rubenz | insmod: How can I fix it then? |
| 08:49.07 | rubenz | insmod: How can I fix it? |
| 08:49.11 | rubenz | oops |
| 08:49.36 | insmod | rubenz: there is nop short answer and i don't have the time -- sorry |
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| 08:49.54 | Shirakawasuna | I'm sure this question gets asked a lot, but is debian x86 only available in i386? (as opposed to i686) |
| 08:49.55 | xerophyte | http://pa-stories.com/videos/beer-launching-fridge/ |
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| 08:50.28 | scx | Hope you know how: How can I mix the "cat" output of two devices ? Not appending |
| 08:50.38 | zeeble | Shirakawasuna: no. |
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| 08:51.55 | scx | basically I want to mix the output of /dev/random from more thatn 1 computer |
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| 08:51.58 | rubenz | great |
| 08:52.18 | insmod | scx: | > file |
| 08:52.32 | insmod | scx: > file |
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| 08:53.09 | insmod | scx: cat xx >file & cat xx >> file |
| 08:53.11 | Shirakawasuna | zeeble: what's the usual optimization? |
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| 08:54.18 | scx | no, it just appends |
| 08:54.34 | scx | I want mixing |
| 08:54.44 | scx | poured not mixed please |
| 08:55.06 | rubenz | insmod: so what do I do then? |
| 08:55.06 | scx | i.e.: superposition |
| 08:55.20 | scx | like layers in an image |
| 08:55.48 | insmod | rubenz: setup XF86Conf or xorg |
| 08:55.56 | rubenz | ah |
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| 08:57.17 | insmod | scx: term 1 : sleep 2 & (give you time ) cat xx >> file & Term 2 cat xx >> file |
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| 08:57.42 | insmod | scx: term 1 : or run both at the same time in a script |
| 08:57.58 | scx | trying... |
| 08:58.17 | Tadej | insmod: I did dist-upgrade and it helped |
| 08:58.30 | insmod | Tadej: cool |
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| 08:58.59 | rubenz | I don't have either xorg or XF86Conf. |
| 08:59.18 | psyche_ | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 08:59.32 | insmod | rubenz: then you have no X look in /etc/X11 |
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| 09:00.04 | rubenz | insmod: /etc/X11 has things in it |
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| 09:00.19 | insmod | rubenz: what |
| 09:00.21 | rubenz | I have an prog called XFree86. Maybe I should use that? |
| 09:00.32 | insmod | rubenz: no edit it |
| 09:00.56 | insmod | rubenz: that is the X config file |
| 09:01.11 | scx | insmod:; nope, it appends |
| 09:01.30 | insmod | scx: hmm tough one |
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| 09:01.43 | rubenz | oh I insmod: Actually there is XF86Config-4 inside of /etc/X11. |
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| 09:02.09 | insmod | rubenz: edit it -- that is your config |
| 09:02.10 | Crypticfortune | trying to install nvidia 3d drivers onto an AMD64 etch dom0 under xen, but everything i try gives me a kernel panic....(mostly using variations on this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/493 and trying other patches from the nvnews site)....any had any luck doing this? |
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| 09:03.13 | insmod | scx: try cat xx file & cat xx >> file |
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| 09:04.22 | scx | insmod: again it appends |
| 09:04.33 | insmod | scx: :) |
| 09:04.41 | cuco | hi, anyone experiencing iceweasel crashes...? it dies on my setup quite frequently |
| 09:04.47 | scx | insmod: if it worked it would give an unreadable output |
| 09:05.05 | scx | like opening a binary file |
| 09:05.12 | insmod | scx: no |
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| 09:06.45 | scx | otherwisse you are just pasting second part after the first one, if a real mixing, charset would be corrupted and the output would not be plain readable text |
| 09:07.01 | Rohinton | scx: maybe ( cat xx & ; cat yy & ) >> file |
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| 09:07.39 | insmod | scx: try Eterm -e script1 & Eterm -e script2 -- each has cat xx >> file |
| 09:07.43 | scx | looking... |
| 09:08.16 | hatter | anyone know of a putty like client that lets me put a series of ports so it can be made easy for port knocking ? |
| 09:09.47 | scx | Rohinton: what's the ' for? |
| 09:09.52 | scx | err: ; |
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| 09:10.24 | jelly-home | !info putty sarge |
| 09:10.34 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.58-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 09:10.47 | scx | m... a sec... |
| 09:11.11 | jelly-home | hatter: ^^ is that putty-like enough? :-) |
| 09:11.26 | Rohinton | two commnads on a single line ";" |
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| 09:12.07 | jelly-home | Rohinton: & is enough, btw |
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| 09:12.16 | hatter | jelly-home: I mean from windows, I want to make the port knock a one press thing |
| 09:12.30 | jelly-home | something_in_background & something_else |
| 09:13.56 | Rohinton | jelly-home: I want to push both cat's to the back... |
| 09:14.07 | jelly-home | hatter: no idea you might have to script it |
| 09:14.15 | jelly-home | Rohinton: cat1 & cat2 & |
| 09:14.25 | hatter | jelly-home: yeah, thats probably the go |
| 09:14.27 | Crypticfortune | hatter: like jelly-home said. yeah, just script it.... |
| 09:14.43 | jelly-home | netcat ftw |
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| 09:15.26 | scx | Rohinton: && maybe |
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| 09:17.12 | jelly-home | scx: nope |
| 09:17.23 | jelly-home | scx: that's logical and |
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| 09:18.02 | scx | echo "nope" && echo "I told you no" && echo "you should be kidding" |
| 09:18.33 | jelly-home | scx: false && echo "you won't see this" |
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| 09:20.35 | scx | jelly-home: yes ; works too but I mean not there, try: (echo "hhhas" ; echo "yata" & ) > ~/t3s |
| 09:20.47 | scx | appends again |
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| 09:22.14 | scx | (echo "hhhas" && echo "yata" & ) > ~/t3s # Just does the same |
| 09:22.20 | Ryde_ | So, I ran across a funny little problem: http://rydekull.se/screen.txt |
| 09:22.20 | jelly-home | scx: afaict the user wanted to run in parallel, not serialized (which is what && has to do) |
| 09:22.57 | scx | ah, so && is serialized ? |
| 09:23.05 | jelly-home | scx: it has to be |
| 09:23.07 | scx | didn't know |
| 09:23.12 | scx | oki |
| 09:23.12 | Rohinton | scx: Hmm, it must be down to the file being open exclusively for write by the same process... |
| 09:23.23 | Ryde | l |
| 09:23.25 | Rohinton | scx: by the first process... |
| 09:23.40 | scx | I have a better idea!! how fool I am!!! |
| 09:24.07 | jelly-home | scx: it's a "logical and" operation, the shell waits for the first one's exit status to see if there's even a need to run the second or not |
| 09:24.21 | scx | output command 1 to file 1 && output command 2 to file 2, then dd 'em |
| 09:24.26 | scx | to a third file |
| 09:24.39 | jelly-home | scx: which is what false && echo "you won't see this" ought to have shown |
| 09:25.26 | scx | right |
| 09:27.28 | dooglus | scx: a && b only runs b if a succeeds |
| 09:27.42 | Rohinton | scx: that's right. |
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| 09:28.38 | mathesis | hi all |
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| 09:29.55 | mathesis | how can i know idbus of card video? |
| 09:30.04 | teledyn | wait, if false runs and fails as its supposed to, doesn't that mean it succeeded? |
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| 09:31.02 | Ryde | Seriously, where did my screen go. Why wont it reattach |
| 09:31.15 | jelly-home | teledyn: that's a good philosophical question! |
| 09:31.55 | rubenz | I don't now what to edit in XF86Config-4 |
| 09:31.57 | jelly-home | teledyn: the answer is of course that false doesn't run, if just fails |
| 09:32.52 | teledyn | jelly-home: i know. its just an exit code thing anyhow |
| 09:33.50 | jelly-home | teledyn: makes you think about why it calls brk() and mmaps stuff before failing |
| 09:34.45 | ski | Ryde : 'screen -ls' gives you what ? |
| 09:35.12 | Ryde | ski: nothing :) http://rydekull.se/screen.txt |
| 09:35.32 | jelly-home | !qotd182 |
| 09:35.32 | dpkg | from memory, qotd182 is [zen of unix processes] <teledyn> wait, if false runs and fails as its supposed to, doesn't that mean it succeeded? |
| 09:36.23 | teledyn | hehe |
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| 09:39.02 | jelly-home | !mu |
| 09:39.02 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
| 09:40.43 | rahul | jelly-home: because it's written in C, probably |
| 09:40.54 | rahul | !qotd181 |
| 09:40.55 | dpkg | <rahul> god, this keyboard is getting icky |
| 09:40.58 | rahul | :P |
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| 09:42.21 | Crypticfortune | sweet! i got the nvidia kernel module working under xen! |
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| 09:42.38 | jelly-home | so have you cleaned it already? |
| 09:42.54 | nocturn | Hi all |
| 09:42.58 | Crypticfortune | incidentally, this page http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/493 is wrong. using --unpack-once on module-assistant causes it to overwrite your changes to the module source |
| 09:43.04 | rahul | jelly-home: no :P |
| 09:43.09 | nocturn | Anyone have any success using an Dell PowerVault 128T on Debian |
| 09:43.14 | nocturn | I'm running sarge |
| 09:43.27 | jelly-home | rahul: it was getting icky 39 days ago! o.O |
| 09:43.49 | rahul | about 3 years of accumulation |
| 09:43.57 | rahul | what diff does a month make? |
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| 09:45.05 | jelly-home | nocturn: what does that piece of hw do? |
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| 09:45.27 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 09:46.08 | nocturn | jelly-home: it's a tape changer |
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| 09:46.10 | gypsymauro | I've to wait some seconds when I try to connect via ssh to an host in my lan, I suppose it's a name resolving problem but the dns seems ok, how I can see where is the lag? |
| 09:46.24 | jelly-home | nocturn: Oh, I have one of those, but it's called HP Surestore 2/20 ;-) |
| 09:46.25 | nocturn | autochanger to be exact |
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| 09:46.43 | nocturn | jelly-home: does yours work on Sarge? |
| 09:47.00 | Crypticfortune | now time for a dumber question. why does firefox complain that there's an existing firefox running, when "ps aux | grep firefox" shows nothing? and how do i fix that without restarting? |
| 09:47.07 | jelly-home | nocturn: make sure your sg and st modules are loaded... Mine is connected to a sparc/Solaris machine |
| 09:47.35 | teledyn | Crypticfortune: sounds like bug 411479 |
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| 09:48.01 | psyche_ | Crypticfortune try mozilla-firefox |
| 09:48.39 | nocturn | jelly-home: it seems to respond now! |
| 09:48.39 | opqdonut | Crypticfortune: or try removing any ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/lock files |
| 09:48.47 | nocturn | i needed to use /dev/sg0 |
| 09:48.51 | nocturn | instead of st0 |
| 09:48.51 | mathesis | hi |
| 09:49.01 | jelly-home | nocturn: of course... st are tape drives |
| 09:49.43 | mathesis | as I can know the bus you go of an integrated video card AGP? |
| 09:49.51 | jelly-home | nocturn: the robotics is accessed via sg, scsi-generic interface |
| 09:49.51 | Crypticfortune | psyche_: same error... |
| 09:49.52 | nocturn | It reported st0 in dmesg... |
| 09:49.52 | scx | jelly-home ; Rohinton : I just got a partial mixture: http://rafb.net/p/J6BiQR46.html |
| 09:49.59 | scx | with python tho |
| 09:50.00 | Crypticfortune | opqdonut: killed it. same error =( |
| 09:50.00 | psyche_ | dunno then |
| 09:50.02 | nocturn | so I assumed I need to used that |
| 09:50.30 | mathesis | as I can know the bus id you go of an integrated video card AGP? |
| 09:50.48 | mathesis | as I can know the bus id for an integrated video card AGP? |
| 09:50.50 | teledyn | mathesis: is that supposed to be a question :\ |
| 09:50.52 | jelly-home | nocturn: nope, the changer should have been reported as a separate device, with only sg driver attached |
| 09:51.05 | mathesis | yes i do |
| 09:51.10 | nocturn | I'm trying to load a tape now |
| 09:51.17 | mathesis | i need de bus id AGP card video |
| 09:51.18 | nocturn | but status and inquiry work... |
| 09:51.20 | Crypticfortune | mathesis: i think what you're looking for is the lspci command (but your question is very hard to understand) |
| 09:51.20 | teledyn | mathesis: lspci -v |
| 09:51.38 | mathesis | i need bus id for xorg |
| 09:51.55 | Rohinton | scx: that can be done as a shell script too |
| 09:52.07 | teledyn | mathesis: no just leave it blank. it will autodetect |
| 09:52.09 | scx | Rohinton: that's what I want |
| 09:52.35 | scx | Rohinton: in the py script I make a sectioning and clueing |
| 09:52.44 | scx | not what I want, but almost |
| 09:52.48 | mathesis | teledyn, i want use xinerama |
| 09:52.54 | scx | and actually does the work |
| 09:52.56 | Rohinton | scx: but the script is just reading a line from each file and writing it out? |
| 09:53.03 | nocturn | Yeah, works! |
| 09:53.08 | Rohinton | scx: right not random... |
| 09:53.15 | scx | xact |
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| 09:53.18 | Ryde | How on the world can the screen just stop allowing me to resume it, this is annoying |
| 09:53.24 | mathesis | lspci -v: 00:01.0 PCI |
| 09:54.47 | Rohinton | scx: I think for that some 'c' will be required... |
| 09:54.47 | scx | Rohinton: this far is the closest I have |
| 09:54.47 | jelly-home | Ryde: are the processes still running? |
| 09:54.47 | Crypticfortune | re my firefox problem: fixed it! there was some file ~/mozilla/firefox/*/.parentlock (wtf?) anyway, killing that fixed it |
| 09:54.48 | scx | Rohinton: maybe |
| 09:54.48 | nocturn | jelly-home: What backup software do you use with your library |
| 09:54.49 | Ryde | jelly-home: http://rydekull.se/screen.txt |
| 09:55.03 | mathesis | I need edit correct its id bus for xorg.conf0 === 00:01.0 |
| 09:55.11 | jelly-home | nocturn: we used Legato NetWorker with that one |
| 09:55.36 | nocturn | jelly-home: I'm looking at bacula... |
| 09:55.50 | nocturn | No money to spend on commercial software |
| 09:58.03 | Rohinton | scx: what / why are you doing this? |
| 09:58.34 | teledyn | mathesis: lspci -nv |
| 09:58.50 | scx | 'cause I am a masoquist |
| 09:59.05 | Crypticfortune | woo! now beryl works too! |
| 09:59.07 | Rohinton | scx: :) |
| 09:59.34 | jelly-home | Ryde: have you messed with your SCREENDIR environment variable maybe? |
| 10:00.28 | mathesis | teledyn, no correct |
| 10:01.48 | teledyn | lspci -nnv ? |
| 10:01.58 | jelly-home | scx: ya, what are you trying to do? |
| 10:02.04 | Ryde | jelly-home: where could I find out if I actually have? Since, I havnt as far as I can remmeber. Unless I blacked out :) |
| 10:02.37 | nocturn | jelly-home: Do you know how I can set/write volumetags? |
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| 10:02.50 | nocturn | My library only reports a tag on one tape |
| 10:02.57 | mathesis | 00:01.0 |
| 10:03.40 | Ryde | jelly-home: since I dont have any SCREENDIR env variable anywhere to my knowledge atleast. But it could be outside my knowledge, naturally |
| 10:04.49 | scx | jelly-home: I want to mix the output of /dev/random from more than one computer, specially a combination of BSD's and Linux one's as they use diferent alghorithms.This to create an even more safe /dev/radmon2 |
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| 10:05.13 | chemaja | Victor```: most unix package management sucks |
| 10:06.21 | Rohinton | scx: safe or more random, better numeric distribution? |
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| 10:06.50 | scx | Rohinton: correlative |
| 10:07.11 | scx | more entropy = safer |
| 10:08.14 | Crypticfortune | oops. i guess beryl's not without bugs. turning on blur froze my whole system... |
| 10:08.24 | scx | specially when the computers providing /dev/random are not much used or have a common pourpose, then mixing diferent computers with diferent usages would be nice |
| 10:08.27 | chemaja | Crypticfortune: isn't it still prerelease? |
| 10:08.28 | ewanm89 | Rohinton: scx: Both then! |
| 10:08.30 | jelly-home | scx: a naive approach could be to read a single byte from each and output to your pipe |
| 10:08.51 | jelly-home | scx: then block when either of the inputs block. |
| 10:08.52 | Crypticfortune | chemaja: yup. bugs are to be expected... |
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| 10:09.48 | jelly-home | scx: sounds like a job for a simple c program (or any other decent language, really) |
| 10:09.53 | scx | jelly-home: it'll just be more complicated I think |
| 10:10.11 | Ryde | jelly-home: oh, and my strace further down in the document i linked you show that it actually finds the files |
| 10:10.24 | scx | yes, I am thinking the same :( |
| 10:11.00 | jelly-home | Ryde: Ah, I missed that bit. No idea then |
| 10:11.28 | Ryde | jelly-home: I got no clue either, it's somewhat annoying :) |
| 10:12.28 | scx | anyway, I better sleep.. (bye jelly-home && Rohinton ) |
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| 10:12.48 | Rohinton | scx: me too - |
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| 10:15.16 | Crypticfortune | one more wishlist item: anti-aliased text in emacs. anyone know how to do this? |
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| 10:24.08 | ma3x | hey, if I type showkey, how do I stop it? |
| 10:24.41 | dcordes | can someone give me a url to the latest stable release of debian? |
| 10:24.51 | dcordes | i got fed up of ubuntu |
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| 10:25.02 | ma3x | ubuntu sucks |
| 10:25.10 | ma3x | instability issues |
| 10:25.17 | nocturn | What do you have against Ubuntu? |
| 10:25.18 | dcordes | that's why i go want to try it's papa |
| 10:25.19 | dcordes | its |
| 10:25.33 | ma3x | its not as good as debian is |
| 10:25.44 | nocturn | It depends on the use |
| 10:25.52 | nocturn | as a general purpose server: no |
| 10:25.57 | nocturn | as a webserver: no |
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| 10:26.07 | Zap-W | hi , anyone know what TIER4 / TIER3 support means? |
| 10:26.15 | ma3x | dcordes http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 10:26.27 | nocturn | on the desktop, I find it much better |
| 10:26.38 | ma3x | if you have a good connection then the netinst is for you |
| 10:27.06 | ma3x | yeah, it's kinda too much of a desktop |
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| 10:27.46 | rubenz | when installing xserver-xfree86 should I tell it to autodetect video hardware? |
| 10:27.47 | nocturn | Ubuntu (until Dapper at least) focusses on desktops... |
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| 10:28.03 | nocturn | The Dapper server version is not bad either, but you cannot avoid universe... |
| 10:28.22 | dcordes | i did not want to start a distro war :) sorry |
| 10:28.32 | nocturn | LOL dcordes, you didn't |
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| 10:28.41 | nocturn | I actually like both a lot (Debian and Ubuntu) |
| 10:28.45 | nocturn | but not for the same use |
| 10:29.06 | dcordes | where are the main differences for desktop users? |
| 10:29.19 | dcordes | currently i'm using ubuntu edgy on my deesktop and server |
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| 10:29.41 | nocturn | dcordes: on the desktop, Ubuntu has a lot of integration |
| 10:29.49 | rahul | "integration"? |
| 10:29.54 | dcordes | nocturn: what do you mean by integration? |
| 10:29.56 | nocturn | It also has much newer releases then debian |
| 10:30.01 | rahul | "newer"? |
| 10:30.27 | nocturn | rahul: Ubuntu edgy is nearly 6 months old. Debian Sarge is much older |
| 10:30.38 | rahul | . . . |
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| 10:30.41 | cydork | Ubuntu is off topic!!! |
| 10:30.46 | nocturn | dcordes: components are selected and confiugred to work together |
| 10:30.46 | rahul | nocturn: redhat 5.0 is even older |
| 10:30.54 | nocturn | rahul: yeah, so? |
| 10:31.00 | cydork | windows xp is much much older :P |
| 10:31.01 | rahul | nocturn: debian is where those configurations came from |
| 10:31.32 | nocturn | rahul: I don't disagree. But when I started using Ubuntu Warty with a fresh Gnome and a 2.6 kernel, I had the option of using Debian Woody.... |
| 10:31.56 | rahul | nocturn: you also have the option of using redhat 5.0 now |
| 10:32.03 | rahul | if you don't want to get what you want |
| 10:32.09 | dcordes | ugh rpm |
| 10:32.12 | nocturn | rahul: I don't understand that? |
| 10:32.13 | rahul | but if you want to get what you want, you can actually get it |
| 10:32.18 | Rydekull | !ot |
| 10:32.18 | dpkg | from memory, ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 10:32.25 | ewanm89 | rpm == a mess |
| 10:32.31 | rahul | nocturn: please don't spread FUD about what you can and cannot do with debian in here |
| 10:32.42 | rahul | I have newer packages in debian than ANY distro has. |
| 10:33.00 | dcordes | sounds good |
| 10:33.00 | nocturn | rahul, we can take this to offtopic. But I do not spread FUD. Debian does have the newer packages in testing, which is not stable |
| 10:33.03 | dcordes | i will install it anyways! |
| 10:33.10 | rahul | I also have all the "integration" that's there |
| 10:33.18 | rahul | nocturn: ubuntu is debian unstable. |
| 10:33.26 | Rydekull | rahul: no, ubuntu is ubuntu |
| 10:33.28 | Rydekull | !ubuntu |
| 10:33.28 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 10:33.30 | nocturn | Sigh, indeed |
| 10:33.38 | Rydekull | rahul: Now, move it elsewhere, please |
| 10:33.50 | rahul | how can you compare packages from a distro that's based on unstable to stable? |
| 10:33.53 | nocturn | And Debian testing.unstable does not have security tracking. Ubuntu does. And I agree on moving to offtopic |
| 10:34.01 | rahul | uh... |
| 10:34.09 | rahul | nocturn: please learn about debian before talking about it |
| 10:34.36 | rahul | you can lie to #ubuntu all you want. please don't do it in here. |
| 10:34.43 | chemaja | lol lie |
| 10:34.46 | cydork | :) |
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| 10:35.31 | DA_ | rahul: not that big of a deal, how about simply dropping the conversation or as dpkg said, move to #debian-offtopic |
| 10:35.48 | rahul | "as dpkg said" |
| 10:35.50 | rahul | heh |
| 10:35.58 | nocturn | rahul: Are you saying that testing and unstable have security updates applied consistenly |
| 10:36.03 | rahul | nocturn: unstable does. |
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| 10:36.25 | rahul | nocturn: watch the security list and pull packages from unstable if you use testing and need the patches |
| 10:36.41 | nocturn | Oh no, that is not the way I want to maintain a large number of systems |
| 10:36.54 | Rydekull | What do you not comprehend in "Offtopic"? Is it the off, or the topic? |
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| 10:37.17 | cydork | nocturn: testing has security updates *cough* ! |
| 10:37.22 | rubenz | gtg |
| 10:37.22 | DA_ | Rydekull: at least theyre actually discussing debian now, and not ubuntu... |
| 10:37.29 | nocturn | cydork: yes, in the final phase |
| 10:37.31 | rahul | Rydekull: are you an op here? |
| 10:37.38 | nocturn | which it entered a while back |
| 10:37.53 | ewanm89 | debhelper is the op here! |
| 10:37.55 | rahul | nocturn: you can do distributed package updates in debian |
| 10:37.59 | rahul | heh |
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| 10:38.53 | nocturn | From Debian.org: |
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| 10:39.08 | nocturn | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 10:39.18 | nocturn | ""testing" does not get security updates in a timely manner" |
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| 10:39.32 | Majin_Boo | Hi |
| 10:39.32 | rahul | nocturn: I've already addressed that issue. |
| 10:39.45 | ixitixel | Sorry, I have a question. I'm trying to install debian (sarge) on an system with a onboard Nvidia MCP 10 Network Chip, does anyone know which driver to use? |
| 10:39.54 | chemaja | nocturn: the address was /dev/null |
| 10:39.55 | chemaja | :P |
| 10:40.01 | nocturn | LOL |
| 10:40.09 | elenril | i've accidentally deleted libc6 |
| 10:40.17 | chemaja | which bit |
| 10:40.19 | elenril | is there salvation for my poor soul? |
| 10:40.55 | rahul | elenril: which part of libc6? |
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| 10:41.17 | elenril | dpkg --force-depends -r libc6 :( |
| 10:41.28 | Rydekull | elenril: err, if the system is broken, no, reinstall, to my knowledge atleast. I havnt every actually *tried* removing my own libc6 |
| 10:41.29 | rahul | wtf |
| 10:41.38 | Rydekull | !libc6 |
| 10:41.38 | dpkg | well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
| 10:41.49 | Rydekull | elenril: Good luck |
| 10:41.56 | wols | elenril: you might be able to with knoppix |
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| 10:42.16 | rahul | elenril: there's a reason why you have to type all those letters to get a --force-whatever... |
| 10:42.22 | wols | unpack a libc6.deb and copy the .so to the right places |
| 10:42.28 | chemaja | Rydekull: poweroff, boot from a livecd, grab the .deb, install it (instructing dpkg to use the system's dpkg db i guess) ? |
| 10:42.32 | Rydekull | elenril: I am somewhat curious what made you do that though |
| 10:42.50 | rahul | elenril: uh, what wols and chemaja are trying to say is.... |
| 10:43.04 | DA_ | Rydekull, elenril: me too |
| 10:43.18 | rahul | elenril: in a live cd, ar x libc6*.deb ; tar xzvf data.tar.gz -C /mountpoint |
| 10:43.35 | wols | ixitixel: forecedeth. needs kernel 2.6 |
| 10:43.40 | rahul | where /mountpoint is where you mounted your debian install (including /usr and /var) |
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| 10:44.08 | ixitixel | wols: Thank xou, but I'm trying to install debian from floppys |
| 10:44.12 | wols | and after you booted your debian again, reinstall libc6 with apt |
| 10:44.22 | chemaja | rahul: i was implying that he check the dpkg manpages and use the switch where you can specify /mnt/mysystem/var/lib/pkg ... not sure if dpkg has this. rpm does. |
| 10:44.47 | ixitixel | Are there any 2.6 floppys |
| 10:44.52 | rahul | chemaja: I wouldn't mix dpkg versions like that |
| 10:44.53 | chemaja | rahul: but your method works too. he just needs to remember to update his dpkg db if he cares about it being consistent. |
| 10:44.55 | wols | ixitixel: what has that to do with what driver you need? you need forcedeth, period. which is in 2.6 and possibly in later 2.4 kernels but not necessarily in one that ships with sarge |
| 10:45.06 | chemaja | rahul: hrm ok. |
| 10:45.19 | rahul | chemaja: after he boots into the debian system, yes, he should run aptitude and get the system back to a sane state |
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| 10:45.26 | chemaja | rahul: wouldn't the livecd presumably be debian-live for whatever debian dist he's runnning? |
| 10:45.30 | chemaja | rahul: cool yea' |
| 10:45.33 | rahul | first he has to get the system back to a state where he can get to a sane state :) |
| 10:45.37 | rahul | chemaja: he could do that, yes |
| 10:45.59 | chemaja | nice |
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| 10:46.24 | elenril | ok, thanks |
| 10:46.27 | ixitixel | wols, I downloaded the flpyimages to install debian, they contain kernel 2.4.27, there ist forcedeth driver, but if I select it it fails to load |
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| 10:47.36 | wols | ixitixel: what chipset exactly is this? ie ie mcp10 is what? nforce1 nforce2? |
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| 10:48.02 | jethro | hi |
| 10:48.22 | jethro | please stop sending tards to random channels if you think their discussion doesn't belong here. |
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| 10:48.34 | Ronin | we dont |
| 10:48.36 | Ronin | bah |
| 10:48.37 | rahul | heh, wtf |
| 10:48.55 | rahul | he was meta-trolled. interesting. |
| 10:49.12 | rahul | trolled into trolling |
| 10:49.21 | earthian | hello, I am having problem with rndc and bind9. rndc does not work with all configurations made as it explains in manuals and howtos |
| 10:49.31 | earthian | can somebody help me fix it? |
| 10:49.37 | rahul | earthian: why do you need rndc directly? |
| 10:50.04 | rahul | I wonder if every time I ctrl-c assweasel, my X server leaks. |
| 10:50.11 | earthian | rahul, /etc/init.d/bind9 restart...etc does not work without it |
| 10:50.26 | rahul | earthian: ok, wondering if you were trying to bypass those scripts |
| 10:50.32 | ixitixel | wols, I'm not sure how to find out :o( |
| 10:50.32 | rahul | earthian: what's the specific error? |
| 10:50.48 | earthian | rahul, rndc: connection to remote host closed |
| 10:50.50 | wols | ixitixel: you said mcp10. where did you get that number from? |
| 10:50.54 | ixitixel | But I bet nforce2 I bought the computer yesterday |
| 10:50.55 | ixitixel | it's new |
| 10:50.58 | rahul | how... informative |
| 10:51.04 | wols | no one sells a mobo and says it uses a MCP10. they all say nforce # |
| 10:51.08 | elenril | one more thing - is there any way to see/edit, what KDE does after pressing login |
| 10:51.11 | rahul | earthian: checked the daemon logs? |
| 10:51.20 | wols | what cpu does it have? and nforce2 is anything but new |
| 10:51.35 | rahul | nforce2 is ancient |
| 10:51.41 | rahul | it's as old my MY computer. |
| 10:51.43 | ixitixel | wols, yustthe collegue next door uses Suse and got a complete identically computer |
| 10:51.49 | ixitixel | the suse says nvidia mcp10 |
| 10:51.53 | wols | what computer did you buy? |
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| 10:51.56 | ixitixel | but seh's at lunch rigth now |
| 10:52.05 | earthian | rahul, logs say this: Mar 6 12:50:49 fostral named[2880]: invalid command from 127.0.0.1#48679: bad auth |
| 10:52.09 | asdzxc | is there a PHP 5.1.6 for Debian Etch somewhere ? |
| 10:52.22 | wols | !tell asdzxc about search |
| 10:52.23 | rahul | earthian: looks like your rndc key is screwed up |
| 10:52.34 | rahul | earthian: check the bind.conf for where it indicates what key to use |
| 10:52.47 | rahul | named.conf rather |
| 10:52.59 | earthian | rahul, where should i put rndc.conf in debian to be accessible? |
| 10:53.03 | wols | ixitixel: go to a 2nd console with ctrl+alt+f2 and run lspci -n |
| 10:53.08 | earthian | now i have it in /etc |
| 10:53.20 | asdzxc | wols i didn't mean official packages |
| 10:53.21 | wols | and/or lspci -v. hopefully the floppies have that |
| 10:53.27 | rahul | earthian: er, are you using those scripts as root or as a user? |
| 10:53.33 | asdzxc | wols there are no PHP 5.1.6 official packages for Etch |
| 10:53.34 | wols | asdzxc: we're an official channel |
| 10:53.36 | earthian | root |
| 10:53.45 | asdzxc | wols i meant something like dotdeb.org |
| 10:53.52 | wols | then ask them and not us |
| 10:53.59 | wols | htf should we know? |
| 10:54.17 | Rydekull | !tell asdzxc about dotdeb |
| 10:54.19 | asdzxc | wols i said "something like" |
| 10:54.24 | rahul | earthian: do you have an /etc/bind/rndc.key? |
| 10:54.25 | asdzxc | wols dotdeb.org doesn't support etch |
| 10:54.30 | earthian | yes |
| 10:54.36 | wols | and we can't support dotdeb |
| 10:54.47 | earthian | rahul, the key eveywhere where i know is the same copy+paste |
| 10:54.47 | wols | and there are always sources to make a sort of backport from |
| 10:54.58 | rahul | earthian: why is there "everywhere"? |
| 10:55.13 | asdzxc | wols yes, i was asking about these sources ;) |
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| 10:55.28 | earthian | rahul, /etc/bind/named.conf /etc/bind/rndc.key and /etc/rndc.conf |
| 10:55.34 | asdzxc | is there a place where can i download maintained PHP 5.1.6 package for Etch ? |
| 10:55.39 | Rydekull | asdzxc: php.net |
| 10:55.50 | ixitixel | wols, the floppy so not have lspci |
| 10:56.03 | ixitixel | I bet I have to wait until my collegue finishes lunch |
| 10:56.14 | rahul | earthian: what is copied and pasted between those files? |
| 10:56.18 | wols | cat /proc/cpuinfo then |
| 10:56.23 | rahul | earthian: you shouldn't have an /etc/rndc.conf |
| 10:56.24 | ixitixel | OK |
| 10:56.29 | wols | tells you at least what cpu so we can tell you if its nf1 or 2 |
| 10:56.36 | earthian | oh, i shouldnt? |
| 10:56.37 | rahul | earthian: /etc/bind/named.conf should not have a key defined in it |
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| 10:56.44 | rahul | earthian: I don't. |
| 10:56.58 | pif | hi, why arent't there any opengroupware pacakges in debian? |
| 10:57.03 | rahul | ii bind9 9.3.4-2 Internet Domain Name Server |
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| 10:57.25 | earthian | rahul, rndc-confgen tells me to put stuff in named and have rndc.conf somewhere to put other thing |
| 10:57.28 | ixitixel | wols, AMD 64 Athlon X2 Dual Core Processor 4300+ |
| 10:57.30 | wols | looks like a nf2. nf2 is forcedeth |
| 10:57.35 | rahul | earthian: why are you doing that? |
| 10:57.45 | wols | ok, that's forcedeth too, probably nf4 or 5 |
| 10:57.49 | earthian | rahul, manuals says me so |
| 10:57.53 | rahul | earthian: which manuals? |
| 10:57.59 | earthian | man rndc |
| 10:58.10 | earthian | some other on google |
| 10:58.13 | rahul | earthian: and what was broken that you were fixing? |
| 10:58.17 | ixitixel | so why does forcedeth not load |
| 10:58.26 | earthian | rndc auth or so... |
| 10:58.27 | earthian | :/ |
| 10:58.28 | rahul | earthian: debian already sets this up in its scripts |
| 10:58.33 | earthian | hm |
| 10:58.46 | wols | in the 2nd virtual console run modprobe forcedeth |
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| 10:58.50 | wols | any error messages? |
| 10:59.14 | earthian | rahul, when i dpkg-reconfigure bind9 it does not stop/start too... outputs the same error |
| 10:59.16 | wols | one reason is probably the board is too new for this kernel |
| 10:59.31 | wols | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 10:59.31 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.20 is http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 10:59.34 | rahul | earthian: because it tries to stop the server before reconfiguring it |
| 10:59.40 | wols | that should give oyu more luck |
| 10:59.44 | rahul | earthian: delete the crap you added |
| 10:59.54 | earthian | ok |
| 10:59.54 | rahul | earthian: then run /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind9.postinst |
| 11:00.09 | wols | ixitixel: btw why do you use floppies on such a new PC? |
| 11:00.19 | ixitixel | I dont have a install CD |
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| 11:00.37 | ixitixel | it says indmod:init_module:forcedeth:No such device |
| 11:00.42 | Rydekull | ixitixel: you can install over the net with just a 5mb iso that you can download :) |
| 11:00.50 | rahul | 5? |
| 11:00.55 | ixitixel | I always used the floppy in my life and I installed quite a few debians |
| 11:01.16 | ixitixel | And I dont have problems with the CD images ? |
| 11:01.17 | Rydekull | ixitixel: I think you need to upgrade your ways of doing it ;) |
| 11:01.35 | rahul | CDs can hold more drivers :) |
| 11:02.17 | rahul | without having to drive you insane swapping 20 floppies to get modules.tar.gz reconcatenated |
| 11:03.03 | earthian | rahul, thanks a lot... dpkg-reconfigure after killing named process and removing the rndc things worked. thanks again! |
| 11:03.14 | wols | ixitixel: do you have an OS already installed? (windows)? |
| 11:03.21 | ixitixel | nO nothing |
| 11:03.22 | Rydekull | ixitixel: I am assuming you will use this computer as a desktop aswell? May want to considering running etch instead of sarge. |
| 11:04.03 | ixitixel | Rydekull, alle the Computers in the department are sarge - so this one should be srage als well |
| 11:04.04 | Rydekull | ixitixel: In other words, the current testing(soon to be stable, hopefully) instead of the current stable. |
| 11:04.09 | rahul | earthian: don't doubt the power of the debian scripts. they do most of what the docs tell you to do :) |
| 11:04.23 | ixitixel | All PCs run on stable |
| 11:04.27 | Rydekull | ixitixel: then go with the kmuto-intall thingie that wols told you about |
| 11:04.27 | wols | if so, goodby-microsoft.com |
| 11:04.53 | wols | Rydekull: kmuto has no floppies |
| 11:04.57 | rahul | ixitixel: have this be the etch testbed ;) |
| 11:05.03 | Rydekull | wols: He'll have to upgrade his ways :) |
| 11:05.10 | wols | and from what I see he will get problems with his new hardware and the old kernel in sarge imho |
| 11:05.21 | wols | etch is really best for such a machine |
| 11:05.31 | rahul | ixitixel: you'll be the envy of the department, with your shiny new aptitude and sleek new defoma |
| 11:05.33 | earthian | rahul, somebody should be slapped and told to go fix documentations of some things in debian (i.e. bind9 stuff) |
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| 11:05.57 | rahul | earthian: the docs still apply, you just don't need to do all of that manually if you want a typical setup |
| 11:06.11 | rahul | earthian: it's good to have that stuff around for people doing more interesting stuff |
| 11:06.18 | earthian | :) |
| 11:06.34 | Rydekull | wols: yes, the actual sarge kernel for such a machine is, not really compatible |
| 11:06.49 | wols | ixitixel: btw, the reason forcedeth doesn't work is most likely missing PCI IDs for the device |
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| 11:07.13 | wols | since it's too new: didn't exist when sarge was made basically |
| 11:07.34 | ixitixel | Ok I downloaded a netinstall CD Image and will burn it |
| 11:07.40 | ixitixel | Then I have a try with that |
| 11:07.50 | Rydekull | Good luck |
| 11:08.14 | wols | ixitixel: sarge again? |
| 11:08.25 | Rydekull | oh, good question :P |
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| 11:10.17 | ixitixel | wols : Yes |
| 11:10.44 | wols | then at least use linux26 on the bootprompt. might not do too much good but better than 2.4 for that box |
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| 11:12.17 | Rydekull | yeah |
| 11:12.30 | DA_ | ixitixel: i have to agree with wols there, no point installing an old kernel just to turn around and upgrade it directly after the install |
| 11:12.30 | Rydekull | still unlikely to work well unless the kernel is upgraded manually |
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| 11:13.51 | ixitixel | Ok I will use the 26 kernel |
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| 11:16.02 | EdLin | isn't there a Sarge with a custom 2.6.1x kernel? |
| 11:16.51 | cydork | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 11:16.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm ... |
| 11:17.16 | EdLin | ixitixel: ^^^ |
| 11:17.17 | Thms | !etch 2.6.20 |
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| 11:17.29 | EdLin | Thms: you wish. :-) |
| 11:17.35 | Thms | yes. |
| 11:17.57 | EdLin | Thms: just download a kernel from kernel.org or something. |
| 11:18.03 | ixitixel | CD is burning right new |
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| 11:18.17 | Thms | EdLin: yes |
| 11:18.33 | EdLin | ixitixel: if this dosn't work, try the kmuto.jp 2.6.18 kernel, or etch. |
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| 11:19.29 | Coke | If python-pyx -requires- some of the TeX packages to be installed, is it a bug if it doesn't "depends" on them? |
| 11:19.43 | Coke | (or rather, it requires them to run, but there are no depends for them) |
| 11:19.46 | EdLin | Coke: yes, use reportbug |
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| 11:21.27 | ixitixel | It does not work with the cd and the 2.6 kernel also |
| 11:22.25 | EdLin | ixitixel: did you get the message from dpkg about the Sarge disk with 2.6.18? |
| 11:22.34 | wols | we told you to use etch |
| 11:22.45 | wols | EdLin: does this sarge installer have updated PCI IDs? |
| 11:22.50 | ixitixel | wols I will try etch now |
| 11:23.01 | wols | !tell ixitixel about etch d-i |
| 11:23.09 | wols | !tell ixitixel about d-i etch |
| 11:23.18 | EdLin | wols: hmm, that's a good question. |
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| 11:23.34 | wols | cauuse imho that's his problem |
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| 11:23.56 | wols | when sarge and 2.6.8 came out there was no nf5 or nf6100 chipset with his NIC |
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| 11:24.35 | mrstocks | hey, what graphical language except java can be cross-system ? |
| 11:25.14 | EdLin | mrstocks: Tcl/Tk |
| 11:25.33 | EdLin | mrstocks: wxwindows is another |
| 11:25.57 | EdLin | mrstocks: though that's not a language |
| 11:26.23 | mrstocks | Yeah, but i was also looking for something with a nice design like cocoa or something |
| 11:26.25 | assasukasse | hi all, i wanted to know how should i set up swappiness? is there any recommended value? i have 768meg or Ram and 816mb Swap |
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| 11:26.32 | EdLin | mrstocks: gnustep |
| 11:26.51 | mrstocks | assasukasse, swap == to the ram for suspend end other functionnalities |
| 11:26.56 | wols | assasukasse: you won't need any swap |
| 11:27.08 | wols | at least it's unlikely |
| 11:27.24 | mrstocks | wols what about it he tries to hibernat his pc ? |
| 11:27.27 | assasukasse | wols: i have unfortunately to use a program that checks if i have swaps and runs only if finds at lease 800mb |
| 11:27.32 | wols | mrstocks: there are no "graphical languages" |
| 11:27.43 | wols | well maybe except labview, logo and the like |
| 11:28.02 | wols | mrstocks: be more precise what you want. a cross platform gui toolkit/library? |
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| 11:28.17 | mrstocks | wols, maybe i wasn't too explicit, a cross platflorm gui |
| 11:28.24 | wols | assasukasse: then create that amount and ignore it. and look for a different program |
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| 11:28.50 | wols | wxwidgets, Qt, gtk, fltk, tk |
| 11:28.58 | assasukasse | wols: unfortunately is a university prog..i need to use it, and they didn't want to give me the source for building again.. |
| 11:29.02 | wols | it all depends what platforms you mean |
| 11:29.15 | mrstocks | wols what tool has a nice design ? |
| 11:29.22 | mrstocks | toolkit.. |
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| 11:30.04 | wols | there are GUI builders for Qt, gtk, wx afaik |
| 11:30.13 | wols | none as good as a Borland IDE |
| 11:30.14 | RvGaTe | pipeline, are you here ? |
| 11:30.32 | wols | and again: it depends what your target platforms are |
| 11:30.40 | mrstocks | wols ... all ;) |
| 11:30.48 | wols | that's nonsensical |
| 11:31.04 | wols | I don't know that any of them runs on AS/400 |
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| 11:31.43 | Crypticfortune | what's /etc/lvmtab for? is it where would-be fstab entries should go if they belong to LVM's instead? |
| 11:31.59 | Crypticfortune | (or is it safe to put lvm entries into /etc/fstab?) |
| 11:32.27 | ixitixel | wols, it works with etch |
| 11:32.29 | ixitixel | Thank xou |
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| 11:33.53 | simonrvn | Crypticfortune: it's fine to put them in fstab |
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| 11:35.32 | Crypticfortune | simonrvn: thanks! |
| 11:36.20 | simonrvn | i believe you can even use their UUIDs, but i haven't tried that yet |
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| 11:36.59 | Crypticfortune | i take it /etc/lvmtab just isnt used under lvm2? mine is empty, and yet there are no catastrophic failures like this page is talking about http://docs.hp.com/en/B2355-90129/vgscan.1M.html |
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| 11:40.56 | Coke | earthian: if you have a program written for a GNU system (somtimes any POSIX) it will work on Debian |
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| 11:41.05 | earthian | Coke, but in general is it possible to send free SMS messages from my machine to my cellphone? |
| 11:41.06 | Coke | earthian: seems to be a package named "alamin" already included in Debian |
| 11:41.12 | fernet | earthian: apt-cache show smstools |
| 11:41.13 | earthian | with all the stuff in repos maybe? |
| 11:41.19 | earthian | ok thanks |
| 11:41.24 | simonrvn | Crypticfortune: this box is running on lvm, and all of them are in fstab |
| 11:41.25 | Coke | earthian: whether or not it is free has nothing to do with Debian |
| 11:41.38 | Eulex | !tell earthian about search |
| 11:41.39 | simonrvn | even have lvm root (not for the faint hearted) |
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| 11:42.52 | bzed | earthian: free? that's not a debian problem, that's your problem. there're tools to send sms, though. |
| 11:44.03 | wols | earthian: if you find someone who sends it for free: yes |
| 11:44.09 | foxy | Hi, I have a stable sarge system. Upon bootup isapnp detects my soundcard but doesn't assign IRQ, DMA, port. In the Sound-HOWTO it says I should use the tool isapnp but this does not seem to be a Debian package. How do I get my soundcard working? (I've looked at the Debian documentation to no avail) |
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| 11:44.19 | earthian | well... i am interested if a server can send sms without a charge from some operators maybe? maybe using the same tools the mobile operators does would mean "free" as the operators would see tha the message came from another operator which is a debian system? I am not sure at all with these... |
| 11:44.55 | rahul | they would charge the other operator anyway |
| 11:44.55 | petemc | earthian: someone has to pay for it |
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| 11:46.10 | hartman | I'm having locale complaints on perl -e '' and not sure what to do. http://rafb.net/p/OgAtok83.html ... any advice? |
| 11:46.20 | hartman | I have tried logging out and back in again |
| 11:46.27 | petemc | hartman: tried dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
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| 11:47.20 | hartman | petemc: yeah, it's in the paste. there's an interactive config, and I didn't paste that. but I chose options I thought were sensible. |
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| 11:47.50 | hartman | I have the feeling I should be exporting some vars, but I don't know how to approach this. |
| 11:48.46 | CAiRO | lol, great, fetchmail eats my emails because of their size exceeds a limit i've never set |
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| 11:49.06 | CAiRO | and it tries to bounce them which fails because i'm on dial up |
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| 11:49.38 | RvGaTe | For some reason i am unable to compile the VMware kernel module on 2.6.18-4-k7 and 2.6.18-4-386.... (using the any-any patch/update) telling me: "There is no line to create the '/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7/scriptps/Kbuild.include' target. Stopped" (translated from dutch) i get the same when trying 2.6.18-4-386... i have the headers installed, source installed... and i have no idea where to go from here... please help... |
| 11:49.46 | rahul | who told you fetchmail was a sane application to use? |
| 11:50.15 | CAiRO | any better idea how to move emails from my isps imap to my local imap? |
| 11:50.35 | petemc | imapsync? |
| 11:50.47 | petemc | or an imap client |
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| 11:51.49 | bzed | CAiRO: getmail? |
| 11:52.30 | RvGaTe | Make that 486... :P |
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| 11:55.37 | hartman | how do I use the dpkg bot? |
| 11:55.45 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:55.50 | wols | RvGaTe: tried vanilla kernel sources? |
| 11:56.09 | ma3x | /msg dpkg help |
| 11:56.11 | RvGaTe | wols, never heard of those ? |
| 11:56.21 | hartman | I type that and nothing happens. Is it trying to send me something private? |
| 11:56.23 | wols | RvGaTe: ones from www.kernel.org |
| 11:56.32 | EdLin | hartman: yes |
| 11:56.33 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.43 | petemc | !tell hartman about perl |
| 11:56.44 | EdLin | ma3x: no space |
| 11:56.51 | wols | if you try patches from the interweb, it's always best to use them against vanilla kernel since it's the baseline |
| 11:56.55 | ma3x | edlin i know |
| 11:56.57 | petemc | hartman: do you have a query window open with the bot now? |
| 11:57.12 | hartman | no. i'm using irssi. |
| 11:57.24 | wols | hartman: irssi will open a window. red number |
| 11:57.25 | petemc | so are lots of people |
| 11:57.27 | RvGaTe | wols, you mean the 2.6.18-k7, instead of the 2.6.18-4-k7 ? |
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| 11:57.53 | wols | RvGaTe: no I mean linux-2.6.18.tar.bz from ftp.kernel.org |
| 11:58.05 | wols | or 2.6.20.1 or whatever you want |
| 11:58.14 | hartman | I'm using it from the terminal. do i need to do it in a windowed way? or do I need to configure something for private (non channel) communication? |
| 11:58.15 | chemaja | speaking of vanilla kernel, i was looking for that script that debian use to strip non-free stuff from the real pristine source but couldn't find it, does anyone know where it lives these days |
| 11:58.32 | wols | hartman: no. do you know how to message people in irssi? |
| 11:58.38 | hartman | no. |
| 11:58.40 | wols | do this to dpkg with "help" |
| 11:58.51 | wols | "/msg dpkg help" |
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| 11:59.15 | chemaja | prune-non-free ^^ i think i twas called |
| 11:59.16 | EdLin | hartman: control n and p cycle through channels by default in irssi, or esc+window-number |
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| 11:59.31 | chemaja | is this still in use or have the devs moved on |
| 11:59.36 | hartman | ahhhh... |
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| 12:00.02 | hartman | ok. |
| 12:00.06 | chemaja | meh spose the devs are on oftc |
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| 12:00.34 | EdLin | splitters |
| 12:00.36 | juice` | what is debian default X server |
| 12:00.57 | wols | depends if you mean sarge or etch |
| 12:01.02 | juice` | etch |
| 12:01.06 | wols | xorg 71. |
| 12:01.07 | wols | 7.1 |
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| 12:01.30 | juice` | thanks |
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| 12:04.31 | compDo | I look for a tool to search in multiple pdf files for a string, any hints? |
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| 12:05.57 | wols | compDo: http://blog.rompe.org/pdfgrep |
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| 12:06.22 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 12:06.32 | utab | When I login my console is always open, why is this so? |
| 12:06.49 | Ramattack | could anybody know why is appearing on my laptop the message that can't start sound when it has been working fine? |
| 12:06.53 | Ramattack | this is the message : |
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| 12:08.09 | yomm | Hi ! Which kernel does the latest Debian release use ? |
| 12:08.13 | micty | hi |
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| 12:08.25 | EdLin | yomm: Sarge? Etch or Sid? |
| 12:08.32 | micty | which ftp server is good? |
| 12:08.45 | yomm | Edlin : errr... he latest would be ? |
| 12:08.52 | RvGaTe | micty, the closest one... |
| 12:08.57 | EdLin | !tell yomm about releases |
| 12:08.59 | micty | (I need both anonymous, and password users |
| 12:09.17 | micty | (and also users only for the ftp |
| 12:09.26 | RvGaTe | micty, vsftpd is a good one, easy to setup aswell |
| 12:09.27 | compDo | wols: thank you |
| 12:09.30 | Ramattack | device /dev/dsp cannot be opened permission denied |
| 12:09.42 | Ramattack | I have googled but not clear conclussion get |
| 12:09.45 | wols | micty: vsftpd, pure-ftpd, proftpd |
| 12:09.49 | wols | take your pick |
| 12:09.53 | Ramattack | I'm running etch |
| 12:09.57 | wols | Ramattack: add your user to the audio group |
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| 12:11.01 | wols | Ramattack: another possibility is /dev/dsp is opened by some other process |
| 12:11.35 | LinkinTurk | !kswapd0 |
| 12:12.08 | Ramattack | wols it has been running |
| 12:12.19 | Ramattack | si I assume that could be the second option |
| 12:12.27 | wols | lsof /dev/dsp |
| 12:12.29 | Ramattack | I have done that and tried to restart it... |
| 12:12.51 | jelly-home | LinkinTurk: it's a kernel thread that does swapping, obviously! |
| 12:13.01 | yomm | Edlin : I'd go for Sid , since I'm testing anyway :) |
| 12:13.12 | Ramattack | there's no answer |
| 12:13.32 | wols | then check its permissions |
| 12:13.34 | EdLin | yomm: if you didn't even know what Sid was, then you probably don't want to use it. |
| 12:13.38 | chemaja | jelly-home: you never know, it could be just swapping the d's |
| 12:13.39 | chemaja | :P |
| 12:14.23 | EdLin | yomm: anyhow, Sid and Etch have 2.6.18, Sarge has 2.6.8 or a 2.4 kernel who's release number escapes me. |
| 12:14.28 | yomm | Edlin : I knew that there were stable & unstable & testing versions , just not that they had different names :/ |
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| 12:15.22 | rpc | btw i'm starting to believe that 2.6.8 really IS better |
| 12:15.25 | wols | yomm: but you can run debian basically with any kernel you want |
| 12:15.32 | Ramattack | it doesn't work yet |
| 12:15.34 | yomm | Edlin : I thought u just decided that in the repositories :) |
| 12:15.36 | rpc | i'm tired of 17, 18, 19 and 20 :( |
| 12:15.41 | EdLin | !u |
| 12:15.41 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:15.59 | Ramattack | I have runned as root but although does not say any message does not work |
| 12:16.08 | yomm | wols : probably , but I was installing in vmware , so I needed to know kernel version for installation :) |
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| 12:16.11 | rpc | plus i'm about to go back to sarge.... |
| 12:16.12 | EdLin | !does not work |
| 12:16.13 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 12:16.25 | rpc | lol@dpkg |
| 12:16.34 | rahul | !lol |
| 12:16.35 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:16.40 | rpc | lmao |
| 12:16.44 | chemaja | rofl@lol |
| 12:16.58 | rahul | wtf@toolfest |
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| 12:17.04 | chemaja | elle oh elle |
| 12:17.04 | rpc | !roftl |
| 12:17.16 | rpc | now what was that bot abuse one :) |
| 12:17.22 | EdLin | !botabuse |
| 12:17.22 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 12:17.29 | rpc | lmao! |
| 12:17.29 | chemaja | !spank |
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| 12:17.44 | chemaja | oh no not another starfish |
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| 12:17.54 | Ramattack | one moment folks |
| 12:18.22 | rpc | saliendo, ramattack |
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| 12:18.48 | rpc | (hope it just means "bye" lol) |
| 12:19.06 | yomm | Edlin : U don't recommend Sid for testing ? I have been using free/bsd & debian & for some time , so i know my way around a bit ..What version wold you recommend then ? |
| 12:19.36 | Rydekull | !u |
| 12:19.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:19.56 | yomm | sorry ,my bad ! |
| 12:20.05 | Rydekull | Aslong as you learn from it, no worries |
| 12:20.24 | jelly-home | yomm: testing for testing! :-) |
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| 12:21.17 | yomm | so etch it will be then ! |
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| 12:21.53 | Ramattack | done folks |
| 12:22.16 | EdLin | Ramattack: bueno! |
| 12:22.22 | Ramattack | I have enter on kcontrol suid-ing to root and there change from autodect to alsa |
| 12:22.35 | Ramattack | lol ahi estaos Edlin!!! |
| 12:22.49 | Ramattack | ok folks time to go!!!! |
| 12:22.53 | Ramattack | bye!!! |
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| 12:22.57 | rpc | again? |
| 12:23.44 | Rydekull | he succeeded |
| 12:24.09 | rpc | oh, correct |
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| 12:26.31 | Ronin | he still on a panic about inodes? |
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| 12:32.19 | ecraven | hey all |
| 12:32.29 | ecraven | how do i get a glibc 2.4 on debian sid? |
| 12:32.39 | ewanm89 | hey |
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| 12:34.19 | wols | ewanm89: you compile your own |
| 12:34.21 | livingdaylight | Now Playing: Maria, Maria by Mercedes Sosa from 30 Años (2:44/2:56) |
| 12:34.33 | wols | livingdaylight: wrong channel for that |
| 12:34.35 | Ronin | thanks livingdaylight but i dont think we really care |
| 12:34.35 | livingdaylight | Hi Guys! |
| 12:36.52 | ewanm89 | wols: ecraven was asking. |
| 12:37.20 | wols | ewanm89: details. small details ;) |
| 12:39.43 | apk | Would it hurt anything to relink /bin/sh to /bin/bash instead of /bin/dash ? |
| 12:40.24 | wols | I dunno what debian you run but my /bin/sh is linked to bash and always was afaik |
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| 12:41.22 | teledyn | apk: no |
| 12:41.26 | teledyn | apk: its ok to do |
| 12:41.33 | booiiing | debconf asks to relink it to dash upon instalation of dash, i think |
| 12:41.40 | ewanm89 | mine too! |
| 12:41.41 | teledyn | yes that sometimes gets linked |
| 12:41.41 | booiiing | *installation |
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| 12:42.08 | EdLin | apk: I would used to think "no" because bash called as sh wasn't POSIX-shell compatible, but bash 3.x is, so go ahead if you want. |
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| 12:42.27 | Rydekull | /bin/sh is linked to /bin/bash on debian systems however |
| 12:42.38 | wols | EdLin: bash always was /bin/sh under linux,no? |
| 12:42.43 | wols | it's tradition |
| 12:42.49 | Rydekull | Just what wols said ( by the way ) |
| 12:43.04 | apk | I'm not even sure why I have dash installed. |
| 12:43.15 | EdLin | wols: My homebrew Linux kernel 0.95 system had ash linked as /bin/sh. Not for compatibility, for resources. |
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| 12:43.47 | Rydekull | apk: since it comes with debian? |
| 12:44.00 | teledyn | apk: apt-cache show dash explains why |
| 12:44.08 | EdLin | apk: dash is mostly useful for testing your debs and scripts for portability. |
| 12:44.35 | Ash-Fox | Help, I'm linked to /bin/sh |
| 12:44.40 | EdLin | er, testing making your debs for portability |
| 12:45.22 | EdLin | Ash-Fox: shouldn't you be called Ash-IceWeasel? |
| 12:45.32 | Ash-Fox | No. |
| 12:46.04 | pngwn | ash-whole ;) |
| 12:46.05 | chemaja | rofl |
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| 12:46.14 | chemaja | ash-explorer? |
| 12:46.27 | Ash-Fox | What's funnier is that I am on irc.mozilla.org running the #IceWeasel channel |
| 12:46.42 | chemaja | the internet knows no social grace |
| 12:46.48 | rahul | I should run the #AssWeasel channel, then |
| 12:46.58 | Ash-Fox | rahul, indeed. |
| 12:47.02 | chemaja | unless you're in .nazigermany er i mean .au |
| 12:47.05 | teledyn | ewwwww |
| 12:47.31 | livingdaylight | chemaja, nazigermany doesn't exist anymore |
| 12:47.48 | chemaja | Ash-Fox: ps. did you ever see that cute iceweasel logo some ubuntu guy drew up? |
| 12:47.50 | rahul | livingdaylight: I think you missed something |
| 12:48.00 | Ash-Fox | What's a nazicommunistjew supposed todo :( |
| 12:48.06 | chemaja | Ash-Fox: (i noticed a different one went into the final iceweasel) |
| 12:48.08 | livingdaylight | rahul, oh...sorry |
| 12:48.11 | Ash-Fox | chemaja, hm, not sure. I might have. |
| 12:48.25 | rahul | livingdaylight: but then again, so did chemaja, heh |
| 12:48.38 | rahul | chemaja: .at |
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| 12:48.52 | chemaja | Ash-Fox: it was really cool, like a cute bear/weasel type character. not so mean looking like the current one (which is cool too, but not as much imho) |
| 12:49.00 | chemaja | Ash-Fox: lemme try dig it up |
| 12:49.08 | livingdaylight | Q: for burning .avi to i choose made dvd project or burn iso to dvd |
| 12:49.15 | rahul | assweasel is not mean, just fat and clumsy |
| 12:49.17 | chemaja | rahul: argentina? |
| 12:49.25 | rahul | chemaja: .ar |
| 12:49.49 | EdLin | .at is Austria |
| 12:50.10 | chemaja | Ash-Fox: http://dugnet.com/klown/pics/iceweasel2.png |
| 12:50.42 | teledyn | strange isn't it? you'd think it would be .ör |
| 12:50.43 | Ash-Fox | Heh, that's cute. |
| 12:50.43 | apk | I like that better than the current Debian one. |
| 12:50.43 | chemaja | rahul: i live in australia |
| 12:50.45 | chemaja | apk: me too |
| 12:50.51 | chemaja | (obviously) |
| 12:51.01 | Eulex | chemaja, nawww, the icefox humping the planet |
| 12:51.23 | rahul | chemaja: .at is where hitler started his movement |
| 12:51.30 | chemaja | Eulex: funny you say that, the first time i saw it when the dev announced it on planet.ubuntu.com, it was a 2 frame gif doing the hump! |
| 12:51.36 | EdLin | rahul: you're thinking of Munich |
| 12:51.47 | Eulex | chemaja, indeed, that was a parody on it |
| 12:51.48 | EdLin | rahul: though Hitler was an Austrian |
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| 12:51.52 | rahul | EdLin: I'm pretty sure .at was before |
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| 12:51.59 | apk | IBM should not be allowed to make user interfaces. |
| 12:52.15 | teledyn | .at would be like calling the USA .vs |
| 12:52.16 | rahul | EdLin: yeah, not his bid to get power in germany, but more in general |
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| 12:52.27 | chemaja | Ash-Fox: otoh, the mood of the current one subtly points to the row which birthed iceweasel in the first place :) |
| 12:52.32 | teledyn | Vereinigten Staaten |
| 12:52.42 | rahul | teledyn: indeed |
| 12:52.42 | wols | .ch is siwtzerland but that's not .sw either (Confoederatio Helvetica). Dame reasoon for austria |
| 12:52.48 | chemaja | Eulex: oh |
| 12:53.00 | Ash-Fox | chemaja, I can't disagree with that :) |
| 12:53.04 | EdLin | wat's Confeoderatio Helvetica? Confederation of bad free fonts? |
| 12:53.08 | teledyn | wols: no that's totally different |
| 12:53.11 | chemaja | Ash-Fox: :D |
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| 12:53.30 | rahul | teledyn: it's not totally different. it's the exact opposite :) |
| 12:53.43 | chemaja | chicks would like my one tho |
| 12:53.47 | teledyn | Confederatio Helvetica is actually used by the swiss themselves. |
| 12:53.58 | wols | Austria is the latinised name of Oesterreich |
| 12:54.16 | EdLin | teledyn: why would they name themselves after such a bad font? |
| 12:54.25 | chemaja | teledyn: sounds like a damn fine font |
| 12:54.28 | wols | and the austrians did use the name |
| 12:54.30 | rahul | !penixstrike EdLin |
| 12:54.30 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking EdLin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 12:54.38 | EdLin | ewww |
| 12:54.56 | rahul | did Zapf desgin Helvetica? |
| 12:55.02 | fernet | apk: Are you doing a fresh install of sid? I read a mailing list thread about relinking /bin/sh to /bin/dash around 2 months ago, but bash has been the default /bin/sh in debian for quite some time and there weren't many "yea" votes. |
| 12:55.05 | wols | EdLin: it was a german tribe. before the font existed |
| 12:55.10 | chemaja | "confederatio", the word triggers something in the dark of my brain. hrm. |
| 12:55.19 | wols | you need to read your Gaius Iulius again |
| 12:55.28 | rahul | confederation of helvetican states |
| 12:55.31 | wols | it's "confederation" in latin |
| 12:55.34 | apk | fernet: Nope. It was installed as Sarge about a year ago, immediately upgraded to Etch, and kept updated with Etch ever since. |
| 12:55.35 | Ash-Fox | Haha |
| 12:55.59 | chemaja | oh, i've probably been there |
| 12:55.59 | wols | rahul: afaik some really famous typographer did design it |
| 12:56.00 | EdLin | wols: I didn't know that Julius was gay. |
| 12:56.17 | fernet | apk: oops, so, uh, Etch is out... |
| 12:56.19 | rahul | !penixstrike EdLin |
| 12:56.19 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking EdLin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 12:56.22 | wols | don't ask me, ask his wife. or maybe what Brutus did was a hate crime then |
| 12:56.31 | EdLin | I guess I had that one coming |
| 12:56.40 | epsilon | does iptables also route IPX? |
| 12:57.15 | rahul | epsilon: uh, no. |
| 12:57.25 | rahul | epsilon: iptables doesn't route IP, either ;) |
| 12:57.51 | EdLin | !tell fernet -about releases |
| 12:57.54 | wols | btw: he did divorce his wife for infidelity which she didn't commit and he knew and acknowledged that |
| 12:57.59 | Ash-Fox | epsilon, might want to look into ipxutils |
| 12:58.01 | rahul | epsilon: but it does filter/mangle IP as it passes through the IP stack. IPX is totally different. |
| 12:58.17 | epsilon | hm |
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| 12:58.23 | EdLin | wols: hence "Gaius" |
| 12:58.34 | Ash-Fox | Baltar? |
| 12:58.45 | wols | I'd more blame his parents for that |
| 12:59.01 | rahul | wols: there IS good evidence that homosexuality is genetic |
| 12:59.02 | EdLin | yes, I think it's environmental too |
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| 12:59.42 | fernet | EdLin: yeah, no Etch yet, didn't think so |
| 12:59.59 | wols | all I know is the higher the population pressure, the more homosexuals. all perfectly natural |
| 13:00.31 | Ash-Fox | Good, if people say it's genetic that gay people should be acknowledged as not having a choice, thus they can marry, adopt children and so on. Case closed. |
| 13:00.34 | EdLin | wols: the US has a lower population pressure than many countries with a lower homosexuality rate. |
| 13:01.01 | Ash-Fox | A gay couple obviously can't turn children then. Since it's genetic. |
| 13:01.06 | wols | EdLin: homosexuality is a taboo topic. just try to get an arab to acknowledge it |
| 13:01.10 | fernet | haven't seen any dash related symlink questions though. |
| 13:01.12 | Ash-Fox | (Following rahul's logic) |
| 13:01.13 | apk | Ash-Fox: But if it is genetic to curb population growth, as wols suggests, they shouldn't be able to have children. |
| 13:01.24 | Ash-Fox | apk, adopt children. |
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| 13:01.47 | wols | apk: our inherited responses often don't make much sense anymore in this world now |
| 13:01.49 | EdLin | Ash-Fox: what about if serial killers were genetic? They should adopt children? |
| 13:01.59 | wols | we not hunter gatherer apes in the savannah anymore... |
| 13:02.08 | apk | I suggest we move to #debian-offtopic. |
| 13:02.19 | Ash-Fox | apk, can't, already in 19 channels |
| 13:02.41 | apk | Ash-Fox: What imposes a 19 channel limit? |
| 13:02.42 | Ash-Fox | So you'll have to discuss without me. |
| 13:02.47 | rahul | apk: but we're in #pron |
| 13:02.51 | wols | apk: discssions like this is what debian makes fun |
| 13:03.04 | wols | apk: akt+? shortcuts in irssi I guess :) |
| 13:03.10 | Ash-Fox | apk, the IRC server? |
| 13:03.18 | wols | *what makes #debian |
| 13:03.36 | apk | Ash-Fox: Oh. I guess I've never tried to join more than 2 or 3. |
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| 13:04.12 | wols | Ash-Fox: get help |
| 13:04.16 | rahul | more networks than channels.... |
| 13:04.18 | fernet | for the life of me I've never been able to understand the "choice" issuse about homosexulality. On pain of death I couldn |
| 13:04.34 | fernet | couldn't muster an errection for a dude. |
| 13:04.43 | fernet | NO CHOICE |
| 13:04.46 | wols | fernet: you think they don't have a choice or don't understand their choice? |
| 13:04.46 | rahul | fernet: well, you obviously choose what kinds of women you're attracted to |
| 13:04.50 | apk | fernet: There are lots of true things one can't understand. |
| 13:05.12 | fernet | Actually no, I can't even choose the women I'm attracted to. |
| 13:05.26 | rahul | fernet: I mean, you wake up and say, I'm going to be attracted to blondes, because there's this one blonde who's attractive and is all over me... and ... you're still not attracted to her :\ |
| 13:05.53 | fernet | She's attractive to me or she isn't. |
| 13:06.02 | fernet | No "thing" for blondes. |
| 13:06.10 | wols | fernet: same thing for a homosexual. just different sex |
| 13:06.19 | fernet | Exactly. |
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| 13:06.26 | apk | Just because humans have an inclination towards something does not mean it is right. |
| 13:06.27 | fernet | not a choice for them. |
| 13:06.30 | rahul | but you ARE attracted to her roommate, as you've been for months... but she only likes guys who are 6 foot or taller. but that doesn't stop her from flirting with you and asking if you intentionally dropped something so that she'd pick it up. |
| 13:06.36 | fernet | apk: True |
| 13:06.39 | wols | apk: who are you to say it's wrong? |
| 13:06.50 | cydork | if gayness is genetic. It be bound to die then :) |
| 13:06.57 | rahul | cydork: not true |
| 13:06.59 | wols | cydork: good point :) |
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| 13:07.06 | Ash-Fox | apk, how do you define right and wrong? |
| 13:07.06 | cydork | rahul: how? pray tell? |
| 13:07.07 | apk | wols: I did not say it is wrong, did I? |
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| 13:07.14 | rahul | cydork: or are you claiming that sickle-cell anemia is not genetic? |
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| 13:07.33 | wols | rahul: that has certain benefits too |
| 13:07.38 | Rydekull | Anyone here got debian sid running with the screenpackage, I suspect a bug in it and would like to see if its true :) |
| 13:07.45 | wols | only useful in africa I think but it has benefits |
| 13:07.45 | fernet | rahul: Then I have the choice of spotting her for being a jackass, and ignoring her need for attention. |
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| 13:07.54 | Ash-Fox | Rydekull, no, it doesn't run over ssh. |
| 13:07.59 | wols | Rydekull: I run sid and screen. daily. right now |
| 13:08.09 | wols | huh? I run screen over ssh |
| 13:08.10 | rahul | wols: who's to say the genes that contribute to homosexuality aren't beneficial in some ways |
| 13:08.17 | rahul | fernet: oh, she already knows I'm attracted to her |
| 13:08.27 | Rydekull | wols: upgraded since yesterday? |
| 13:08.28 | rahul | fernet: and she's really smart and friendly. :\ |
| 13:08.29 | Ash-Fox | wols, I never got it working over ssh :( |
| 13:08.32 | wols | rahul: can't see how homosexuality makes me survive better and have more offspring. do you? |
| 13:08.43 | rahul | fernet: and HOT. and she sings. |
| 13:08.46 | wols | Ash-Fox: what's your particular problem? |
| 13:08.46 | Rydekull | wols: http://rydekull.se/screen.txt |
| 13:08.54 | cydork | rahul: na comon that gene needs to propogated. If it's not it wont be there in few hundred years i guess. |
| 13:08.58 | Ash-Fox | tty errors, could only get it working on local consoles. But I don't really care for the issue anymore. |
| 13:09.02 | Rydekull | wols: 14:05:27 < ilf> http://pastebin.ca/raw/383517 |
| 13:09.05 | rahul | wols: you can't see magnetic forces either. |
| 13:09.21 | Ash-Fox | Mainly because I don't use screen anymore on sid |
| 13:09.25 | Rydekull | wols: beware of detaching :P |
| 13:09.47 | fernet | rahul: Well, she should if she want's to be considered an adult. If she want's to play you for a thrill then she's a child-woman. If you want to humor her at your own emotional expense then you're a sucker. |
| 13:09.52 | wols | Rydekull: all I can say is it works with screen -r and -x for me and has for ages |
| 13:10.05 | wols | Rydekull: I never detach. all I do is close putty (or ssh) |
| 13:10.06 | Rydekull | Ash-Fox: it runs well over ssh, so you have a problem on your side |
| 13:10.24 | Rydekull | wols: and you've upgraded since yesterday? :) |
| 13:10.33 | wols | Ash-Fox: screen+irssi= bliss :) |
| 13:10.36 | Rydekull | wols: Screen version 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06 |
| 13:10.37 | wols | only way to irc |
| 13:10.54 | wols | 4.0.3-0.2 here. debian package |
| 13:11.21 | Rydekull | 4.0.3-0.3 |
| 13:11.22 | wols | you said "sid" |
| 13:11.26 | Rydekull | I did, yes |
| 13:11.37 | Ash-Fox | wols, trust me when I say, I find irssi difficult on 27 IRC networks :P |
| 13:11.40 | wols | ah. the 03 os pme mor to the right |
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| 13:11.56 | wols | Ash-Fox: no. irssi is da best when it comes to multinetworks. always has been :) |
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| 13:12.07 | Rydekull | wols: See, I think there is a ugly bug in the 4.0.3-0.3 version |
| 13:12.16 | Ash-Fox | wols, you do not want to know what I am using. |
| 13:12.29 | wols | mirc? |
| 13:12.30 | apk | Ash-Fox: mirc on wine? |
| 13:12.33 | rahul | fernet: oh, I know she's not the kind I'd ever settle down with |
| 13:12.42 | Rydekull | wols: mind risking your session and finding out? :) |
| 13:12.43 | Ash-Fox | Yeah, pretty much. |
| 13:13.12 | wols | will install it on my notebook (-03 that is |
| 13:13.19 | h3sp4wn | irssi still needs a verticle split (then it would be perfect) |
| 13:13.36 | rahul | fernet: and we are good friends anyway. |
| 13:13.37 | Rydekull | wols: make sure you open a screen first |
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| 13:13.37 | Rydekull | wols: that you after the upgrade want to attach |
| 13:13.53 | wols | hmmm... how do I switch off that diffs thing in apt. on a P2 it takes ages to merge the diffs |
| 13:13.54 | apk | h3sp4wn: You must run at wider than 72-80 columns. |
| 13:14.50 | Ash-Fox | Anyway, I need to go out and buy some cokes, so be back soon. |
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| 13:14.55 | h3sp4wn | apk: yep - screen in one xterm (1280x1024) |
| 13:15.18 | hark_ | Rydekull: i did lose my screen session, but it somehow works now :\ |
| 13:15.43 | hellop | I get this new error: # br a8 on br: error: [No such file or directory] Unable to open serial port |
| 13:15.52 | Rydekull | hark_: dpkg -l screen |
| 13:16.01 | hark_ | Rydekull: today's update |
| 13:16.06 | apk | h3sp4wn: What would be great would be if irssi incorporated screen, so I could attatch to it from 2 different terms and see 2 different windows. |
| 13:16.08 | hellop | Can someone help my troubleshoot why my serial port suddenty seems broken? |
| 13:16.15 | Rydekull | hark_: that didnt give me a version number :) |
| 13:16.33 | hark_ | huh, 4.0.3-0.3 |
| 13:16.52 | Rydekull | thanks :) |
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| 13:17.02 | Rydekull | hark_: but you didnt do anything to it? It started working? |
| 13:17.25 | wols | works fine Rydekull |
| 13:17.35 | hark_ | works fine now |
| 13:17.39 | wols | I screen -x attached a 2nd screen to this running session |
| 13:17.44 | wols | works without a hitch |
| 13:17.59 | wols | from -3 |
| 13:18.07 | Rydekull | wols: you had a screen, upgraded the package, and tried attaching afterwards? With a detach inbetween? |
| 13:18.35 | Rydekull | hark_: But you said it didnt work earlier, what did you do then? |
| 13:19.16 | fernet | rahul: either she truly would fuck you or she wouldn't. That's one of the differences between men and women. Whether or not you would "settle down" with her has no bearing on anything. If you're already good friends and she presents herself sexually at times you need to find out if she wants you, or if she just wants you to want her. Big difference. |
| 13:19.36 | hark_ | nothing, luckily i just had irssi running :) |
| 13:19.40 | fernet | so OT. |
| 13:20.04 | fernet | pussy vs /bin/dash |
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| 13:20.11 | Rydekull | hark_: Didnt kill it or anything, just waited, tried later and it worked? or what? |
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| 13:20.49 | rahul | fernet: yes, I know :) |
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| 13:21.16 | hark_ | Rydekull: i detached, no screens were found.. tried again and it was working again :) |
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| 13:21.39 | hellop | never do this: cat /dev/tty0 |
| 13:21.44 | fernet | so what are you waiting for? |
| 13:21.50 | fernet | rahul: |
| 13:22.04 | hark_ | Rydekull: infact, the old irssi session still seems to be running.. say hi to hark ;) |
| 13:22.23 | Rydekull | hark_: it really sounds like you just started a new screen |
| 13:22.42 | rahul | fernet: her roommate to stop playing with my hair, heh |
| 13:23.00 | hark_ | Rydekull: what else? |
| 13:23.06 | rahul | fernet: actually, any time we can be together, it's never alone |
| 13:23.32 | rahul | fernet: if she's going to be staying awake, she kind of is obliged to her fans to throw an afterparty |
| 13:23.46 | wols | Rydekull: attaching and detaching from screen works fine |
| 13:23.46 | fernet | rahul: are you dating the roomate that plays with your hair? |
| 13:24.32 | Rydekull | wols: With the requirements I said for it? :) |
| 13:24.55 | Rydekull | hark_: well, that's the thing. Can you attach your old screen? |
| 13:25.03 | rahul | fernet: no. I'm not particularly attracted to her. |
| 13:25.12 | rahul | fernet: although she is hot. :\ |
| 13:25.24 | hellop | So, I can use cat /dev ttyS0, and another laptop with hyperterm to test my serial port. |
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| 13:25.51 | wols | them being? |
| 13:26.05 | wols | I could reattach just fine |
| 13:26.07 | wols | screen -r |
| 13:26.19 | Rydekull | wols: I Told you the order even on how :) |
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| 13:26.39 | Rydekull | wols: start a screen, upgrade, detach, attach |
| 13:27.24 | wols | ah. attach with a new version to an older one |
| 13:28.29 | taid | it's possible to install debian in a remote new server (networked), having a guy that only loads a CD in the machine and then he configures the IP, and from that point I continue from SSH? (partitioning the disks, etc) |
| 13:28.36 | fernet | rahul: Well, you've got a choice to make. Get it going with the sure thing hair chick or bust a move on the one you obviously really want. Ya gotta roll the dice without asking questions and be willing to lose. You probably can't have both. :) |
| 13:29.15 | rahul | fernet: yeah, and I have a suspicion that they've already had a little "discussion" about the issue |
| 13:29.23 | fernet | good |
| 13:29.37 | rahul | and then there's the moroccan girl |
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| 13:30.16 | rahul | who I might have to introduce to the hair-playing girl (whose roommate is a nose-touching girl) because she also wants to play soccer. |
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| 13:31.04 | fernet | Huh? |
| 13:31.38 | hellop | taid, you mean with a live CD like Knoppix? yeah, it should load sshd by default |
| 13:31.40 | fernet | Do you think they're kind a a pair like /bin/bash and /bin/dash? |
| 13:32.03 | rahul | haha |
| 13:32.16 | rahul | fernet: they're not that different :) |
| 13:32.38 | Rydekull | !ot |
| 13:32.38 | dpkg | ot is, like, Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
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| 13:32.48 | Rydekull | taid: of course it's doable, I wouldnt advice it though |
| 13:32.52 | hellop | rahul, get em both drunk then whip it out |
| 13:33.04 | rahul | hellop: they're both ALWAYS drunk when they're around me |
| 13:33.10 | Rydekull | taid: better just make a cd that'll do it all, and install with that, preseeded cd and stuff |
| 13:33.22 | rahul | hellop: but it's in public... so... um... whipping it out is usually a bad idea in public |
| 13:33.42 | rahul | oh, and I haven't mentioned the OTHER one who's friends with miss nose toucher |
| 13:35.10 | rahul | there are too many girls playing games with me :( |
| 13:35.35 | Ronin | uh huh |
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| 13:36.30 | rahul | the OTHER one says "when can I meet you?" I say "such and such day, such and such place". no response. |
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| 13:37.25 | rahul | and when we happen to be around each other, she won't stop holding my hand or putting her arm around me ... until go join the mosh pit, after which she leaves. |
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| 13:37.36 | rahul | ..until I go join.. |
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| 13:38.00 | Rydekull | rahul: Any reason as to why you cant discuss your girls somewhere else? |
| 13:38.14 | hark_ | Rydekull: you mean your old screen is still running? does it show up with -ls? |
| 13:38.35 | Rydekull | hark_: no, it doesnt http://rydekull.se/screen.txt |
| 13:38.40 | Rydekull | hark_: or rather, didnt. Killed now |
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| 13:39.27 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:39.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd102 is <]BdS[DrDefrag> i want to overclock my proliant dl580 g2 to compile the 2.6 kernel more quickly. any recommendations ? |
| 13:39.34 | rahul | heh, gotta love it when there's a new crowd in the channel |
| 13:39.37 | taid | hellop: if the remote person boots knoppix I don't know how to run the debian installer from that point :) |
| 13:39.43 | taid | Rydekull: how it's doable? |
| 13:39.56 | taid | Rydekull: and any links about "preseeded cd's" ? |
| 13:40.00 | Rydekull | taid: the knoppix-way with debootstrap |
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| 13:40.13 | AElfwine | hello |
| 13:40.15 | Rydekull | !tell taid about preseed |
| 13:40.20 | taid | rydekull: but I need to have control of the partitioning process |
| 13:40.35 | Rydekull | !tell taid about debootstrap |
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| 13:40.45 | AElfwine | I've just lost utf8 support with kde : no kde app can read utf8 anymore (amarok, konqueror, konsole...) while itworks well in console mode. And i've the same problem even whe ni create a new user... Is there a global config file for kde locales ? |
| 13:40.54 | rahul | taid: you'd need a live CD with an sshd |
| 13:40.55 | AElfwine | and i'm under debian etch |
| 13:41.15 | Rydekull | taid: with both ways you can have control |
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| 13:41.38 | hellop | taid, have you tried searching google for: debian remote install ? |
| 13:41.45 | Rydekull | taid: There is the possibility of running the installation in "expert" mode and with ssh enabled, I cant recommend it as I have not tried it extensively |
| 13:41.46 | taid | rydekull: but with the preseeded CD I don't see what disks are installed, etc (I can't get that information by other way) |
| 13:42.04 | Rydekull | taid: you can _know_ the system? :) |
| 13:43.03 | taid | hellop: yes, most of the links are about morphing an already redhat/whatever installation to debian |
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| 13:43.04 | rahul | taid: so do that to a live CD |
| 13:43.04 | hellop | taid, or knoppix |
| 13:43.28 | Rydekull | taid: the easiest way is really to debootstrap a system |
| 13:43.34 | hellop | taid, try: debian chroot install |
| 13:43.38 | hellop | 1st link |
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| 13:44.04 | Rydekull | hellop: isnt really the same thing though, uses same means to one point but then you need to do some extra stuff |
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| 13:44.11 | fuel | how do i build deb packages ??? can you guys tell me some tutorials.... |
| 13:44.17 | rahul | !nmg |
| 13:44.17 | dpkg | nmg is probably Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 13:44.54 | taid | Suse seems to have remote installation using ssh: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Remote_Installation_of_SUSE_LINUX |
| 13:45.09 | h3sp4wn | so does debian |
| 13:45.25 | taid | h3sp4wn: ? |
| 13:45.34 | rahul | taid: we've told you repeatedly how to do it |
| 13:45.35 | Rydekull | taid: Told ya, you can do the same with debian, I have not tried it though so I cannot advice it. Debootstrapping a machine remote i've done lots of times and its easy and just works |
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| 13:45.54 | rahul | taid: why do you feel the need to ignore what we say? |
| 13:46.04 | taid | ok, I will study how to debboostrap, but please see that suse link, it's a feature that debian doesn't have |
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| 13:46.10 | Rydekull | rahul: he must've been inspired by you |
| 13:46.16 | Rydekull | taid: it isnt |
| 13:46.18 | rahul | Rydekull: and who exactly are you? |
| 13:46.25 | Rydekull | rahul: /whois |
| 13:46.37 | rahul | Rydekull: which should tell me what? |
| 13:46.44 | Rydekull | rahul: My name, you asked |
| 13:47.13 | taid | Rydekull: see that link, you boot passing the IP in the kernel command line and you continue from that point remotely with ssh (or vnc) |
| 13:47.14 | rahul | Rydekull: for someone who acts erudite, you lack insight into identity. |
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| 13:47.26 | hellop | taid, why don't you just walk your onsite guy through a debian net install? |
| 13:47.33 | hellop | then ssh in |
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| 13:47.56 | rahul | taid: what part of "live CD" did you not understand? |
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| 13:48.27 | taid | hellop: I already have done that, it's a pain with some people |
| 13:48.35 | tarzeau | fsmunoz!!! |
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| 13:48.46 | sep | taid, debian-installer does exactly this using the openssh-server-udeb debian install module |
| 13:48.47 | fsmunoz | test 123, anybody there.... |
| 13:48.50 | Rydekull | taid: d-i can do just the same :) |
| 13:48.52 | h3sp4wn | taid: the new debian installers support a network console |
| 13:48.54 | fsmunoz | right, seems this works |
| 13:49.19 | taid | the new deb installers supports that? now you are saying me something different :) that's what I want |
| 13:49.42 | Rydekull | taid: no, I've told you all along, d-i can do the same. I recommend debootstrapping it though |
| 13:49.45 | taid | note, maybe I can install it booting first with knoppix, but I will like a 100% debian way |
| 13:49.54 | rahul | h3sp4wn: er, is that ethernet console or IP console? |
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| 13:50.10 | taid | ok, I will read more and come back later, thanks for your responses |
| 13:50.10 | fsmunoz | Hi there tarzeau! |
| 13:50.17 | Rydekull | taid: get your nearest desktop computer, grab a debian cd, try it |
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| 13:51.28 | sep | taid, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole where they takl abotu preseeding network config, that's your boot arguments |
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| 13:52.03 | h3sp4wn | rahul: ip - once ssh is up the install can be done over it (or get someone at the other end to manually do the first part) |
| 13:52.10 | sep | taid, you must use the faily built netinstall cd i imagine. |
| 13:52.42 | rahul | h3sp4wn: well, that's useless. |
| 13:52.59 | taid | sep: thanks, I will try to use it |
| 13:53.00 | rahul | h3sp4wn: once you're done with the install, you can run aptitude, yeah... |
| 13:54.05 | sep | rahul, you can boot using preseed arguments, or use a preseed file on cdrom/floppy/usb/http/ftp to configure the ip values so you get ssh network console during the installer http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
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| 13:54.43 | taid | here it's the million dollar link :) http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
| 13:54.44 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 13:54.51 | rahul | how do you get ssh before package installation? |
| 13:54.55 | Alexismoy | In which package can I download mysqli.so? |
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| 13:55.29 | zamuro | Alexismoy: libmysql |
| 13:55.34 | Rydekull | rahul: it comes with the cd as a udeb |
| 13:56.51 | rahul | sshd? |
| 13:56.51 | AElfwine | I've just lost utf8 support with kde : no kde app can read utf8 anymore (amarok, konqueror, konsole...) while itworks well in console mode. And i've the same problem even whe ni create a new user... Is there a global config file for kde locales ? |
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| 13:57.10 | Alexismoy | I'v got libmysqlclient |
| 13:57.20 | Rydekull | rahul: yes |
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| 13:57.39 | rahul | that's... ... insane. |
| 13:57.51 | rahul | can you STOP it from being installed? |
| 13:57.56 | hellop | how do you run a udeb on install? |
| 13:58.23 | rahul | which one installs udebs? debootstrap or dbootstrap? |
| 13:58.23 | Rydekull | rahul: I believe its only enabled in expertmode if you will it, dont quote me on that though |
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| 14:02.04 | creature|work | "If you do resume from initrd after your filesystems are mounted... bye bye root partition" says the docs for software suspend (swsusp). My Debian laptop uses initrd to load its kernel, but I don't know anything about the boot order. Will this work for me? |
| 14:03.27 | AElfwine | I've just lost utf8 support with kde : no kde app can read utf8 anymore (amarok, konqueror, konsole...) while itworks well in console mode. And i've the same problem even whe ni create a new user... Is there a global config file for locales in etch ? |
| 14:03.36 | RvGaTe | With Qemu, how do i mount a cd-rom (wich is an iso file) while the machine has started... |
| 14:03.48 | hellop | what's the default bps of COM1? |
| 14:04.02 | rahul | hellop: 35 |
| 14:04.17 | hellop | no.. |
| 14:04.22 | rahul | sure. why not? |
| 14:04.29 | rahul | it's as likely to be right as any other answer |
| 14:04.37 | hellop | is it autosensing? |
| 14:04.45 | rahul | not usually |
| 14:04.50 | Alexismoy | zamuro: is it available in libmysqlclient15off? |
| 14:05.16 | hellop | rahul, I don't hink hyperterm has an option for bps of 35 |
| 14:05.24 | rahul | hellop: hyperterm sucks |
| 14:05.39 | rahul | !wayttd hellop |
| 14:05.39 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, hellop? |
| 14:06.03 | hellop | So, I control my fishtank light with X10 using a firecracker, RS-232 transmitte |
| 14:06.04 | hellop | r |
| 14:06.19 | zamuro | Alexismoy: why don't you look up on packages.debian.org? I'm not quite sure which packages gives it, since I always install mysql from sources |
| 14:06.26 | hellop | It has worked for over a year, until last week, now when I run: bc a8 on |
| 14:06.27 | rahul | hellop: uh, aren't there x10 packages for debian? |
| 14:06.42 | hellop | I get: br: error: [No such file or directory] Unable to open serial port |
| 14:06.46 | rahul | wmx10 - Control X10 home automation modules via a firecracker CM-17A X10 serial dongle |
| 14:06.57 | rahul | x10 - Operate X-10 electrical power control modules |
| 14:07.18 | hellop | It seems my serial port is broken, I have a windows laptop with hyperterm, and a crossover cable to test my linux box's serial port. |
| 14:07.20 | rahul | and bottlerocket x10-automate |
| 14:07.34 | rahul | just set them both to the same settings... |
| 14:07.39 | hellop | rahul, I have a solution for that for the past year. |
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| 14:08.28 | hellop | I haven't changed anything. Does anyone have any suggestions for testing a serial port? |
| 14:08.43 | rahul | thanks for calling me no one. |
| 14:09.01 | hellop | I was thinking do: cat /dev/ttyS0 and using a serial mouse, but I have no serial mouse... |
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| 14:09.32 | wols | attach minicom on one side and use hyperterm on the other |
| 14:09.39 | outlaw84 | I am inside a corperate lan where we have access to servel outside servers over vpn tunnels and apperantly WINS is used to resolve the names for there server, how do I enable debian to use WINS? |
| 14:09.44 | melodos | hi! can someone tell me if i can run all windows binaries on wine? |
| 14:09.49 | hellop | wols, ok tks |
| 14:09.59 | wols | melodos: you can't |
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| 14:10.12 | rahul | melodos: you can't run all windows binaries on windows. |
| 14:10.15 | fsmunoz | hellop, screen is handy |
| 14:10.37 | outlaw84 | rahul: even that cant be a garanteed on a given installation ;) |
| 14:10.37 | wols | outlaw84: samba uses WINS. but since you use a VPN you most probably use an IP network |
| 14:10.42 | hellop | fsmunoz, isn't that for making new term windows? |
| 14:10.44 | rahul | outlaw84: yep |
| 14:10.48 | wols | so you don't really need WINS |
| 14:10.48 | rahul | exactly |
| 14:10.49 | fsmunoz | For me at least, much simpler than stuff like minicom |
| 14:11.06 | hellop | hmm, I'm thinking minicom, I can set the baud rate |
| 14:11.10 | rahul | new term windows? |
| 14:11.16 | rahul | oh screen |
| 14:11.20 | wols | fsmunoz: how does your screen connect to serial ports? |
| 14:11.20 | outlaw84 | wols: yea I know I can just mapp the hosts in /etc/hosts but I would be nice to get all the hosts names :/ |
| 14:11.25 | fsmunoz | hellop, yes, but also works for that, gimme a sec to ginf the correct parameter form.... |
| 14:12.10 | fsmunoz | hellop: something like "screen /dev/ttyS0 115200" |
| 14:13.09 | fsmunoz | wols: see above. I found this not so long ago, and it has worked pretty well... |
| 14:13.33 | hellop | fsmunoz, it does look simpler then minicom |
| 14:13.44 | hellop | neat it works |
| 14:13.50 | hellop | So, I guess my serial works.. |
| 14:13.57 | hellop | maybe my firecracker broke |
| 14:14.13 | hellop | thanks for the suggestions guys |
| 14:14.18 | fsmunoz | hellop: and it is... minicom is really great, O like it a lot, but for simple "gimme the line" it's overkill. |
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| 14:14.48 | Flimzy | Is there a more efficient DNS server than bind that I should use for a caching-only DNS server? |
| 14:15.22 | wols | Flimzy: dnsmasq |
| 14:15.36 | hellop | heh, how do U exit screen? |
| 14:15.46 | cydork | Flimzy: or pdnsd |
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| 14:16.14 | RvGaTe | Are there any other Virtual Machine solutions then Virtualbox, Vmware and Qemu ? |
| 14:16.14 | rahul | along Flimzy's questions lines... |
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| 14:16.38 | rahul | do one of the minimal dns servers support forward zones? |
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| 14:17.23 | hellop | Well, I have tested a spare fireracker and I get the same error with bottlerocket: br: error: [No such file or directory] Unable to open serial port |
| 14:17.25 | Cratos | Hello everybody, how do I, in the Debian way, configure a nic to only go up but not configure TCP/IP or any other protocol? |
| 14:17.27 | hellop | I figured it out |
| 14:17.39 | rahul | I want to use something other than bind, but I need to forward a zone to a specific set of DNS servers |
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| 14:17.52 | hellop | I now have to specify /dev/ttyS0, so, now I must change my cronjob that was working for a year. wtf? |
| 14:18.00 | fsmunoz | hellop: C-a \ |
| 14:18.07 | rahul | hellop: udev, probably |
| 14:18.10 | wols | Cratos: define "go up" |
| 14:18.21 | rahul | hellop: you probably no longer have a /dev/modem |
| 14:18.32 | rahul | yet another reason to not rely on such crap. |
| 14:18.43 | Cratos | wols: ifconfig eth1 up but then in the /etc/system/interfaces file |
| 14:18.55 | wols | Cratos: what for? |
| 14:19.04 | hellop | I don't quite understand... udev is like a USB hotplug thing... what do you think happened? |
| 14:19.07 | rahul | Cratos: don't specify "inet" there |
| 14:19.19 | rahul | hellop: no, it's not like usb hotplug |
| 14:19.32 | rahul | hellop: it's a fully dynamic userspace /dev/ management system |
| 14:19.56 | rahul | hellop: it didn't have any instructions to create a /dev/modem, so it didn't |
| 14:20.24 | Cratos | wols, I run VMware server but a guest is the firewall, the servers nic must bind to the virtual switch that only works if the nic is up |
| 14:21.05 | Cratos | rahul: only auto eth1 does not do it for me |
| 14:21.20 | wols | oh. fun setup that. did that once with colinux inside windows |
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| 14:22.56 | rahul | Cratos: iface eth1 inet manual |
| 14:23.12 | hellop | rahul, but I know it was working after I intalled udev |
| 14:23.30 | rahul | hellop: and then udev randomly decided to auto-defect. |
| 14:24.04 | rahul | that's what happens when you have userspace trying to deal with the kernel's hardware management |
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| 14:24.35 | rahul | (Larry!) |
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| 14:25.15 | hellop | rahul, they must be using Dijkstra non-deterministic selections. |
| 14:25.33 | rahul | no, they're just doing shit the way it should not be done |
| 14:25.41 | Cratos | rahul: so "auto eth1" + "iface eth1 inet manual" as far as I remember that will not work. |
| 14:25.47 | cydork | RvGaTe: kvm, xen, uml, lguest .. |
| 14:25.48 | rahul | creating an excessively overcomplicated hypersystem |
| 14:25.57 | rahul | Cratos: hmm, why not? |
| 14:26.40 | Cratos | rahul: As far as I remember I did try that, right now I cannot as that would kill my firewall :-) |
| 14:26.48 | rahul | ok |
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| 14:27.34 | hellop | well, thanks for the help, my fish and plants might survive now |
| 14:27.54 | vinvin | is this known that mod_ssl for apache2 in debian testing is crashing ? |
| 14:28.00 | vinvin | and makes trac crash |
| 14:28.08 | vinvin | (mod_python) |
| 14:28.13 | Cratos | also doing my nat trick "up iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE" did not work as the NIC does not go up |
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| 14:28.53 | RvGaTe | cydork, wich one of them all works best ? (exclude virtualbox and vmware, becouse it doesn't have modules for 2.6.18-4-K7) |
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| 14:29.17 | I-kido | !deborphan |
| 14:29.17 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 14:29.45 | cydork | RvGaTe: depends on what you want actully. but i normally use qemu with kqemu and it works great. |
| 14:29.49 | jair | Hello guys I am trying to burn an image cd in a brand new debian install using a regular cd burner drive and k3b and I am getting an error about "cdrecord doen not have permission to open the file" |
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| 14:30.23 | wols | !best |
| 14:30.24 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 14:30.56 | vinvin | :) |
| 14:30.57 | RvGaTe | cydork, what i want is something that has some tools with it, for instance, when i move the mouse around in qemu, it lags like sh*t, becouse the movements are on the VM... |
| 14:31.00 | cydork | or Women at Play :P |
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| 14:31.30 | RvGaTe | cydork, vmware and virtualbox have tools for this, to make such simple things go smooth |
| 14:31.50 | cydork | RvGaTe: are you using kqemu? it works pretty fast with kqemu. |
| 14:32.09 | RvGaTe | cydork, yup, kqemu is enabled... but installation still takes around 2 hours |
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| 14:32.53 | RvGaTe | cydork, dont know about you, but i think 2 hours is a bit long... even for a vm.. |
| 14:33.15 | jair | anyone here have hada problem with k3b and cdrecord writing or using a file? |
| 14:33.16 | cydork | RvGaTe: you can try kvm. But afaik qemu+kqemu is "faster" than kvm. |
| 14:33.47 | h3sp4wn | kvm is loads faster in my experience |
| 14:34.07 | h3sp4wn | (but less reliable) |
| 14:34.41 | RvGaTe | i just need a winxp machine that works smooth, has interweb connection, and connection to LAN... |
| 14:34.53 | wols | jair: which file won't work? the /device file for your bruner or the iso? |
| 14:35.20 | wols | RvGaTe: for? most can be done with wine... |
| 14:36.18 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: Just use another machine and use rdesktop |
| 14:36.23 | RvGaTe | wols, schools stuff, mainly becouse of MS Access, Adobe Flash, and multibrowser testing for web-development |
| 14:36.28 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, cant do... |
| 14:36.51 | wols | RvGaTe: run windows inside wine |
| 14:37.04 | teledyn | jair: you have a permission issue. see the cdrecord docs in /usr/share for explaination and/or run k3bsetup |
| 14:37.19 | RvGaTe | i tried wine something around 5 months ago, didn't like it at all... |
| 14:37.40 | cydork | RvGaTe: for flash , multibrowser testing wine is good enough. |
| 14:37.40 | jair | wols: I think is what teledyn is saying |
| 14:37.52 | teledyn | RvGaTe: what do you need to run under wine? |
| 14:37.54 | jair | teledyn: I think that is my problem, I will check that |
| 14:37.58 | jair | Thank you |
| 14:38.01 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: Crossover office I believe supports the apps you mention but its quite expensive (does work properly though) |
| 14:39.02 | teledyn | RvGaTe: there is flash native for linux. MS access is crap use mysql or some other db |
| 14:39.10 | apk | Is there a program that can take standard input and combine lines on to one line until reaching a specified character? I suppose sed probably will, huh? |
| 14:40.10 | RvGaTe | teledyn, when i need to create a ms access database with forms and shit, i cant do that in mysql and webinterface and give that to the teacher to be graded.... |
| 14:40.13 | rahul | apk: I think there's a join option for sed... somewhere... |
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| 14:40.32 | teledyn | RvGaTe: fuck access. its useless. seriously, you don't need it |
| 14:40.36 | rahul | apk: but it's more complex, I think, than simply replacing on a single line... need to match multiple lines |
| 14:40.41 | fsmunoz | apk: give me an example, I'm bored and need to do something... |
| 14:40.47 | rahul | access is total crap |
| 14:40.54 | RvGaTe | teledyn, do i really need to explain you that that isn't ym decisision ? |
| 14:40.56 | teledyn | RvGaTe: if your class requires it then your "teacher" is an idiot |
| 14:41.03 | teledyn | RvGaTe: drop the class |
| 14:41.04 | RvGaTe | teledyn, tell me something i dont know |
| 14:41.18 | teledyn | RvGaTe: you will probably do more damage by taking it then help |
| 14:41.25 | teledyn | :-) |
| 14:41.30 | fsmunoz | apk: say, combine each line of Debian's /etc/motd as a single line until a "O" character is reached, then stop processing? |
| 14:41.32 | RvGaTe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.48 | RvGaTe | wols, cydork, teledyn, h3sp4wn, i cant predict what i need to for school in the future... i could use wine right now for the most things, but if i need to use something that doesn't work on wine, i will still need the vm anyway... best to start with a vm from start |
| 14:41.55 | fsmunoz | apk: is that a suficient use case? |
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| 14:42.20 | teledyn | RvGaTe: any courses which require use of winblows or non-free software are a waste |
| 14:42.32 | hellop | apk, perl and regex |
| 14:42.36 | Ronin | teledyn: well thats just a bit biased and wrong |
| 14:42.48 | teledyn | Ronin: i disagree |
| 14:42.53 | Ronin | ditto |
| 14:42.56 | petemc | teledyn: thats a ridiculous statement |
| 14:43.01 | RvGaTe | teledyn, there's great software out there wich requires payment... |
| 14:43.16 | Rydekull | veritas volume manager |
| 14:43.39 | teledyn | learning MS Access to learn DB stuff? |
| 14:43.49 | teledyn | it sounds like a joke |
| 14:43.50 | RvGaTe | teledyn, no, moron :P |
| 14:43.54 | petemc | ms access is commonly used |
| 14:43.58 | apk | fsmunoz: http://pastebin.ca/383621 I want to combine the Database name and Database node lines. |
| 14:44.03 | petemc | im not saying its good.. |
| 14:45.20 | fsmunoz | apk: output should be something like "Node: foo ; Name: bar" ? |
| 14:45.52 | teledyn | used in education for what? |
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| 14:46.00 | creature|work | There's a difference between an initramfs and an initrd, right? |
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| 14:46.45 | wols | RvGaTe: if you ever do directx/direct3d work your VM is useless, period |
| 14:46.55 | wols | so if you can't predict what you need, get real windows in a dual boot |
| 14:47.04 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: Do you have vt instructions on your cpu ? |
| 14:47.14 | wols | h3sp4wn: that does not work (yet) |
| 14:47.23 | h3sp4wn | wols: What doesn't ? |
| 14:47.31 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, ehm ? |
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| 14:47.39 | Flimzy | Can anyone recommend a good high-performance caching dns server? |
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| 14:47.48 | wols | the guest using 3d inside xen or other VT enabled CPUs |
| 14:47.48 | petemc | Flimzy: bind9 |
| 14:47.52 | fsmunoz | apk: not every stanza has a node name, I suppose you only what this done for those that do? |
| 14:48.08 | wols | RvGaTe: what CPU do you have? |
| 14:48.13 | Flimzy | petemc: I'm quite familiar with bind... is it actually the best in terms of performance, though? |
| 14:48.23 | teledyn | <RvGaTe> teledyn, when i need to create a ms access database with forms and shit, i cant do that in mysql and webinterface and give that to the teacher to be graded.... |
| 14:48.28 | petemc | Flimzy: it seems to work for most people |
| 14:48.38 | RvGaTe | wols, AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ |
| 14:48.40 | Flimzy | petemc: heh. lovely. that doesn't really answer the question though, does it? :) |
| 14:48.48 | RvGaTe | wols, running on 2030 mhz |
| 14:48.55 | petemc | Flimzy: well, its almost the 'de facto' standard |
| 14:48.59 | wols | RvGaTe: then forget it. you don't have VT which is needed for Windows under Xen |
| 14:49.02 | Flimzy | petemc: yes. It is. |
| 14:49.09 | Flimzy | petemc: That also doesn't answer the question, does it? |
| 14:49.24 | Flimzy | petemc: I would never use anything other than bind for managing my zones. |
| 14:49.45 | RvGaTe | teledyn, whats your point? :P |
| 14:49.46 | Flimzy | petemc: But for a high-performance caching-only name server, I'll give you my firstborn if bind is the best out there. |
| 14:50.24 | teledyn | RvGaTe: my point is, i guess i should never respond to people who use expressions like "with forms and shit" because its a waste |
| 14:50.29 | petemc | suit yourself.. |
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| 14:51.18 | RvGaTe | teledyn, do you have any idea what it means to have a teacher? and the teacher tells you to do something in MS Access... altho you dont like it, he will still be grading it... |
| 14:51.38 | RvGaTe | teledyn, its like building a motor instead of a car, becouse you dont like the car... |
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| 14:52.15 | Rydekull | !tell Flimzy about best |
| 14:52.15 | RvGaTe | teledyn, the teacher will not grade something he didn't ask for... therefor, giving me a bad grade ... |
| 14:52.23 | teledyn | RvGaTe: tell the teacher and the school that requiring you to use proprietary apps made by a corporation that majorly violates the law is wrong. then do it in mysql or some other way. |
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| 14:52.38 | Rydekull | fsmunoz: why havnt apk answered you yet? :( |
| 14:52.40 | Flimzy | Rydekull: Thanks for completely missing the point of my question :) |
| 14:52.57 | teledyn | RvGaTe: my biology class wanted me to dissect a frog but i refused |
| 14:53.02 | fsmunoz | Rydekull: no idea, I think he doesn't like me :( ehehe |
| 14:53.15 | Rydekull | Flimzy: you started discussing if its the best or not, I didnt miss it. Its what got recommended for you. |
| 14:53.18 | RvGaTe | teledyn, great, and fuck my education again? thats what i did last time, and i got kicked out of school becouse if my ignorance (and some other things aswell) |
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| 14:53.31 | Flimzy | Rydekull: I asked for people's personal recommendations. |
| 14:53.45 | Rydekull | Flimzy: and you got one. Now if its the best or not doesnt matter |
| 14:54.10 | teledyn | RvGaTe: i understand. you can use something like vmware if you need to run access |
| 14:54.15 | Flimzy | Rydekull: Super. That makes your !best completely irrelevant, doesn't it? |
| 14:54.30 | RvGaTe | teledyn, no vmmodule for 2.6.18-4-K7 :( |
| 14:54.46 | Rydekull | fsmunoz: yeah, I am waiting for the answer to the same things you asked, output and the fact that each part of it doesnt have a node |
| 14:54.55 | teledyn | RvGaTe: you ran the vmware-install script to build the module for your kernel? |
| 14:55.05 | RvGaTe | teledyn, yes, still no good |
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| 14:55.18 | teledyn | RvGaTe: did it give an error? |
| 14:55.38 | RvGaTe | teledyn, yes, but i have to rerun the config to give it to you... |
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| 14:55.48 | RvGaTe | For some reason i am unable to compile the VMware kernel module on 2.6.18-4-k7 and 2.6.18-4-386.... (using the any-any patch/update) telling me: "There is no line to create the '/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7/scriptps/Kbuild.include' target. Stopped" (translated from dutch) i get the same when trying 2.6.18-4-386... i have the headers installed, source installed... and i have no idea where to go from here... please help... |
| 14:55.56 | RvGaTe | there we go, still had it in my irc client |
| 14:55.58 | teledyn | RvGaTe: maybe you need the vmware any any update: http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/ |
| 14:56.11 | teledyn | RvGaTe: it is a patch to work with some newer kernels |
| 14:56.19 | RvGaTe | teledyn, read above, already tried.. |
| 14:57.06 | teledyn | RvGaTe: i'd just read the vmware forums for info then |
| 14:57.15 | Ankman | piper69: no was sleepping ;-) |
| 14:57.17 | RvGaTe | teledyn, guess what, already tried that |
| 14:57.22 | Ankman | !seen piper69 |
| 14:57.23 | dpkg | piper69 is currently on #debian, last said: 'am using hostap'. |
| 14:57.28 | Ankman | ah |
| 14:57.38 | teledyn | RvGaTe: yeah, i'm just saying that's probably the only option |
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| 14:58.52 | outlaw84 | does anyone in here happen to know how to set the document language in openoffice? |
| 14:59.10 | RvGaTe | outlaw84, for the spellcheck ? |
| 14:59.19 | outlaw84 | yea |
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| 15:00.45 | RvGaTe | outlaw84, Tools -> Language |
| 15:00.59 | RvGaTe | oops, no |
| 15:01.10 | RvGaTe | outlaw84, Tools -> Spellcheck, you can set the language in there |
| 15:01.15 | dcordes | ho |
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| 15:01.57 | outlaw84 | RvGaTe: yea but thats per word :/ |
| 15:02.09 | RvGaTe | outlaw84, is it? hmm... |
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| 15:04.25 | outlaw84 | RvGaTe: yea it is :/ I'll ready have a 30 page document so thats not the best option but thanks awayways |
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| 15:04.51 | helo | is it possible to take a core dump from a process that is still running without error? |
| 15:04.52 | RvGaTe | outlaw84, Tools -> Options -> Language Settings -> Languages |
| 15:05.44 | fsmunoz | Rydekull: anyway, my take on it is here: http://pastebin.ca/383653 |
| 15:05.48 | fsmunoz | using awk |
| 15:06.04 | fsmunoz | Prints only the records in which there is a node name |
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| 15:07.15 | outlaw84 | RvGaTe: well that one was better, it still didnot do the trick but now I have the option to change langue for a whole paragraph... thanks |
| 15:07.47 | apk | fsmunoz: sorry, feeding my baby. I only want stanzas that have node. a one liner that simply joins each odd line with the next will get me what i want. |
| 15:07.59 | fsmunoz | apk: np |
| 15:08.06 | RvGaTe | apk, cool, how young? |
| 15:08.20 | apk | RvGaTe: 8 weeks. |
| 15:08.26 | RvGaTe | apk, awesome |
| 15:08.34 | fsmunoz | apk: that's actually a good reason to stop paying attention to IRC ehe |
| 15:08.50 | RvGaTe | agreed |
| 15:08.50 | fsmunoz | apk: see http://pastebin.ca/383653 ... |
| 15:09.21 | Rydekull | fsmunoz: Looks seemingly alike what I started on, only formated a little different |
| 15:09.46 | fsmunoz | Rydekull: eh, great minds and all that ;) |
| 15:09.54 | Rydekull | fsmunoz: very :) |
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| 15:12.15 | apk | hmm. they should make bottles that hang over one's shoulder. Mom can feed her and still have 2 hands. |
| 15:13.29 | apk | And I can't use vi one handed. I've internalized the keys, i don't know what they are. |
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| 15:17.18 | fsmunoz | ... |
| 15:17.44 | fsmunoz | sorry, just making sure my connection was still here, using a Jabber transport for the first time |
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| 15:25.30 | RvGaTe | cydork, whats the shortcut to save the Qemu VM's state ? |
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| 15:26.14 | Alexismoy | How to resolve this? |
| 15:26.14 | Alexismoy | Suppression de libapache-mod-encoding ... |
| 15:26.14 | Alexismoy | Error: mod_vhost_mysql.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 15:26.14 | Alexismoy | The above errors might cause apache to not work properly or start |
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| 15:26.22 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 15:26.28 | RvGaTe | oops, "hehe" |
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| 15:26.29 | Alexismoy | sorry |
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| 15:30.40 | micty | how do I open file browser from an xterm? |
| 15:30.53 | apk | fsmunoz: With a slight modification to to print the two lines on one line, it works great. Thank you! |
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| 15:32.48 | RvGaTe | micty, depends, what's the file browser called ? |
| 15:33.00 | Flimzy | Has anyone here used djbdns? Is it as horrific as DJB's qmail program? or is his DNS server actually worth using? |
| 15:34.25 | micty | RvGaTe: I don't know, I am now without the window manager... let me know any of them, btw I have gnome |
| 15:34.53 | apk | fsmunoz: I use djbdns, and am happy with it. |
| 15:34.57 | RvGaTe | micty, type: nautilus |
| 15:35.01 | micty | I mean without the desktop environment I think |
| 15:35.15 | apk | Flimzy: I use djbdns, and am happy with it. |
| 15:35.21 | RvGaTe | oh.. you want a file manager without the desktop envirement ? |
| 15:35.45 | fsmunoz | apk: yw |
| 15:35.58 | Pryon | horrific? |
| 15:35.59 | apk | Flimzy: It has the conf files strewn all over the place, but other than thar its ok. |
| 15:36.12 | Flimzy | apk: heh... qmail is kinda like that, too. |
| 15:36.23 | Flimzy | apk: Do you use it for hosting zones, or caching, or both? |
| 15:36.27 | micty | RvGaTe: nice, it opened a window with my whole desktop on it. Hehehe |
| 15:36.31 | apk | Flimzy: both, |
| 15:36.40 | stoned | good morining |
| 15:36.53 | RvGaTe | micty, thats what you wanted... right ? |
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| 15:37.06 | Flimzy | apk: Have you used other DNS servers before? |
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| 15:37.33 | stoned | !info djbdns sid |
| 15:37.42 | justin | djbdns-source usually |
| 15:37.42 | RvGaTe | stoned, \o/ |
| 15:37.44 | stoned | dbj isn't in sid as I thought |
| 15:37.47 | micty | RvGaTe: That is nice two, but I want to see folders on the left files on the right |
| 15:37.49 | Flimzy | djbdns-installer |
| 15:37.51 | stevepastelan | hello everyone |
| 15:37.52 | stoned | iirc |
| 15:37.55 | stoned | RvGaTe: hi bro |
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| 15:38.02 | Ankman | lo stevepastelan |
| 15:38.04 | stoned | justin: i see |
| 15:38.05 | Flimzy | stoned: It's got an installer in etch. probably in sid, too. |
| 15:38.29 | Flimzy | stoned: It's plagued by DJB's odd view on open-source software, which makes it free, but not legal to include in Debian. |
| 15:38.31 | stevepastelan | :) |
| 15:38.39 | stoned | yes I read that |
| 15:38.44 | Rydekull | stoned: djbdns-installer |
| 15:38.46 | stoned | quite odd |
| 15:38.49 | stevepastelan | I am having trouble setting up a pptp tunnel.. I am using Debian stable |
| 15:38.53 | apk | Flimzy: I was handed some windows dns servers (THAT was horrific), so i looked into djbdn and bind, and djbdns looked easier to configure and like less of a security problem. |
| 15:38.56 | stevepastelan | I installed pptp-linux and pptpconfig |
| 15:38.59 | RvGaTe | micty, ah, like that... hmmm |
| 15:39.05 | stoned | Rydekull: thanks, I was merely curious. I don't use dns on anything but sarge |
| 15:39.07 | RvGaTe | micty, should be in the options somewhere |
| 15:39.07 | Flimzy | apk: ok |
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| 15:39.22 | stevepastelan | but I get errors when starting the connection |
| 15:39.28 | stevepastelan | here, let me paste them somewhere sane |
| 15:39.34 | stoned | !paster |
| 15:39.35 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:39.37 | micty | RvGaTe: Also the desktop I opened refuses to close. I am gona kill it |
| 15:39.37 | apk | Flimzy: DJB has some good (if rude in tone) docs on his site. |
| 15:39.58 | Flimzy | apk: heh, yeah, DJB's "holier-than-thou" tone comes thru in everything he writes, I think. |
| 15:40.26 | Flimzy | apk: I'm simply trying to find the best _performing_ caching DNS server. |
| 15:40.37 | micty | Does anyone knows how to start gnome in a Xnest window? |
| 15:40.54 | RvGaTe | micty, so you want a file manager inside your xterm itself... and not open a file manager with xterm... |
| 15:40.56 | apk | Flimzy: He writes like the reader is very ignorant, which I think is very nice if you actually are ignorant on the subject. |
| 15:41.18 | Flimzy | apk: He writes like every other competing product out there is complete sh*t, and anyone who thinks otherwise should be shot :) |
| 15:41.28 | micty | RvGaTe: No, this nautilus was fine, just didn't have the view I am used to |
| 15:41.30 | apk | Flimzy: I can't comment on performance, mine get very little traffic |
| 15:41.34 | stoned | micty: umm DISPLAY=:1 X; DISPLAY=:1 gnome-start or whatever |
| 15:41.40 | Flimzy | apk: okay. |
| 15:41.44 | RvGaTe | micty, used to ms explorer? :P |
| 15:41.44 | stoned | micty: just run an instance of X within X |
| 15:42.20 | micty | RvGaTe: yes :*) |
| 15:42.22 | stoned | im unfortunately on windows atm for oblibion |
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| 15:42.26 | stoned | RvGaTe: not yet |
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| 15:42.36 | stoned | whoop |
| 15:42.37 | RvGaTe | stoned, ffs dude... PM ? :/ |
| 15:42.39 | tarzeau | http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-200702-11.xml is this real? |
| 15:43.13 | apk | Flimzy: From my understanding, bind and sendmail _are_ crap. (: |
| 15:43.16 | jonaskoelker | I run "ifconfig eth1:1 84.238.15.96 netmask 255.255.255.128; dhclieth eth1:1" and get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address\nSIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address\nBind socket to interface: No such device" |
| 15:43.20 | jonaskoelker | what gives? |
| 15:43.25 | Flimzy | apk: Sendmail is definately crap. |
| 15:43.31 | jonaskoelker | .. how do I get an IP address for an aliased interface via DHCP? |
| 15:43.32 | stoned | ]/msg RvGaTe dunno |
| 15:43.35 | micty | stoned: I am not sure what us mean. (Btw, The computer I run on is remote, my system just have an Xserver) |
| 15:43.35 | stoned | oh fuck |
| 15:43.37 | Flimzy | apk: But not as much crap as qmail :) |
| 15:43.38 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 15:43.38 | stoned | man |
| 15:43.50 | apk | Flimzy: note: I have never used qmail; i like postfix. |
| 15:43.50 | stoned | I just woke up man excuse me please |
| 15:43.50 | rahul | sendmail is crap, but in the same way that perl is |
| 15:43.51 | Flimzy | apk: qmail is more _secure_ than sendmail, I'm sure. But its performance is utter crap. |
| 15:44.02 | rahul | it's got too much stuff for it already out there |
| 15:44.04 | petemc | jonaskoelker: ifconfig eth1:1 up first? |
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| 15:44.05 | Flimzy | apk: We have ~1200 clients using qmail. We're going to move them to postfix as soon as we can. |
| 15:44.05 | fsmunoz | ls |
| 15:44.13 | rahul | you kind of have to use it sometimes, out of convenience |
| 15:44.13 | RvGaTe | fsmunoz, wrong window.. |
| 15:44.19 | stoned | rahul: why do I always ever see you complaining about stuff |
| 15:44.23 | Flimzy | apk: My lab tests showed postfix to be some 10x faster than qmail. |
| 15:44.42 | jonaskoelker | petemc: dhclient gives the same output |
| 15:44.43 | rahul | stoned: I use sendmail regularly |
| 15:44.47 | rahul | stoned: I never use perl |
| 15:44.50 | stoned | besides the point |
| 15:44.54 | stoned | you still complain |
| 15:44.58 | jonaskoelker | petemc: (if I say "ifconfig <...>; ifconfig eth1:1 up; dhclient eth1:1") |
| 15:44.59 | stevepastelan | http://rafb.net/p/dGMstY59.html <--- this is the output from pptpconfig when I try to connect |
| 15:45.00 | rahul | I'm not complaining |
| 15:45.03 | stoned | ok |
| 15:45.08 | rahul | it's not a problem. if it were one, I'd fix it., |
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| 15:45.17 | stoned | word |
| 15:45.18 | stevepastelan | I followed the instructions on this page |
| 15:45.19 | stevepastelan | http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian.phtml |
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| 15:45.25 | rahul | !fix dpkg |
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| 15:45.57 | stoned | dude apt rent in nyc is insane |
| 15:46.05 | rahul | hahaha |
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| 15:46.10 | stoned | 1600$/mo |
| 15:46.58 | stoned | what the fuck are these people thinking |
| 15:46.58 | rahul | stoned: what neighborhood? |
| 15:46.58 | stoned | I dunno some rich one |
| 15:46.58 | stoned | not in the city |
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| 15:46.58 | rahul | there isn't a single apartment in my area that costs that little |
| 15:46.59 | stoned | no |
| 15:46.59 | stoned | my part is 1600 |
| 15:47.00 | rahul | well, some studios |
| 15:47.00 | apk | yikes. i pay 400 for 1000 sqft in the sticks. (: |
| 15:47.00 | stoned | I think i'll have some roommates |
| 15:47.00 | rahul | in crappy buildings |
| 15:47.00 | rahul | stoned: yes |
| 15:47.00 | jonaskoelker | anyone else got any good ideas? |
| 15:47.03 | stoned | its about 4k |
| 15:47.15 | stoned | jonaskoelker: I have lots of good ideas |
| 15:47.16 | rahul | 4k for a 3BR isn't bad |
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| 15:47.20 | stoned | would you like to hear some? |
| 15:47.27 | rahul | !any ideas |
| 15:47.27 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of starving platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 15:47.29 | jonaskoelker | stoned: pertaining to my problem? |
| 15:47.37 | stoned | jonaskoelker: no sorry |
| 15:48.00 | abrotman | that's about normal |
| 15:48.46 | petemc | jonaskoelker: do you know what address the dhcp server is trying to give the interface? |
| 15:49.10 | abrotman | ifconfig -a even show eth1:1 ? |
| 15:49.26 | petemc | it wouldnt.. |
| 15:49.30 | jonaskoelker | petemc: I don't know how to make sense of that; the dhcp server constantly gives out the same two addrs to eth0 and eth1, but dhclient can't even ask for eth*:* |
| 15:49.35 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: yes, it shows up |
| 15:49.46 | stoned | what a dick |
| 15:49.54 | stoned | *sigh* |
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| 15:50.04 | jonaskoelker | when I say "ifconfig eth1:1 <addr> netmask </25> up", "ifconfig -a" lists eth1:1 |
| 15:50.06 | petemc | jonaskoelker: well dhcp works with mac address |
| 15:50.43 | petemc | jonaskoelker: tried setting the address manually and bringing the interface up |
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| 15:50.44 | jonaskoelker | petemc: so I should add 'lease {interface "eth1:1"; option host-name "eth1:1"; }' to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, right? |
| 15:50.52 | jonaskoelker | .. or? |
| 15:51.15 | petemc | jonaskoelker: i dont know what the deal is, i use aliased interfaces, but not with dhcp |
| 15:51.35 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: try putting the eth1:1 in your interfaces file and restart networking |
| 15:51.39 | petemc | jonaskoelker: best thing to try is see if it works ok setting up a static address, then gofrom there |
| 15:51.52 | jonaskoelker | petemc: setting up a static addr works just fine |
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| 15:53.02 | jonaskoelker | ... then eth1:1 is not in ifconfig -a |
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| 15:53.18 | stoned | rahul: i can get a really nice one 2bed down south in houston for less than a grand, full utils/bills included. and about less than 600#$ back home in louisiana |
| 15:53.45 | rahul | heh. |
| 15:53.53 | rahul | stoned: which side of the island? |
| 15:54.03 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: i have aliased IPs in my interfaces file .. though static .. works fine |
| 15:54.05 | stoned | I have no idea man, I just was looking |
| 15:54.12 | rahul | stoned: if it's near the holland tunnel, you'll be bathed in auto exhaust |
| 15:54.17 | x_link | Hi stoned ! |
| 15:54.19 | stoned | hi |
| 15:54.24 | rahul | stoned: same with lincoln tunnel |
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| 15:54.27 | x_link | stoned: What's up? |
| 15:54.29 | jonaskoelker | yes, so do I; static works fine, except my ISP hasn't given the addresses I use to me |
| 15:54.32 | stoned | x_link: packing |
| 15:54.38 | x_link | Ok, where are you going? |
| 15:54.39 | jonaskoelker | so they might stop liking me (if they haven't already :D) |
| 15:54.44 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: call them and hassle them |
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| 15:54.53 | heinz55 | http://www.drogendealer.de/cgi-bin/dd.cgi?z8nBe44s |
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| 15:55.11 | stoned | x_link: today I pack my stuff in the truck. everybut computers and stuff... those I will move tommorrow. I have one day of internet left, I got stuff to download. oblivion mods for when I wont' be online for a few weeks |
| 15:55.13 | jonaskoelker | "why do you need 16 static addrs?" "ehh... faster connectivity? :)" |
| 15:55.23 | abrotman | what? |
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| 15:55.33 | jonaskoelker | err... nothing |
| 15:55.42 | abrotman | did you lie to the tech ? |
| 15:55.46 | jonaskoelker | in particular not anything suitable for bash.org :-> |
| 15:55.47 | jonaskoelker | no |
| 15:55.53 | jonaskoelker | I haven't lied to any tech |
| 15:56.09 | stoned | awe you don't call tech support and tell them you're a sys admin? |
| 15:56.32 | stoned | hehe I had to deal with morons like that all the time when I did tech support |
| 15:57.49 | stoned | one time I stays with a guy on the phone for a little over 2 hours helping him with this networking. I felt good when he said thanks. Its was my job, but it was nice to get a thanks |
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| 15:57.59 | stoned | stayed* |
| 15:58.05 | x_link | stoned: Hrmm.. shame that you will not have internet anymore. |
| 15:58.20 | x_link | But why? |
| 15:58.25 | stoned | I'll have it in houston |
| 15:58.33 | stoned | and then I dunno where I'm mmoving for good |
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| 15:59.37 | mindframe | anyone know if gnupg is compatible with pgp? |
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| 15:59.41 | stoned | I even thought about going to pakistan ! hehe a lot of my friends are in the LUGs there, and pakistan has a security hackers conference each year for which they invited me too |
| 16:00.22 | RvGaTe | With qemu, whenever i do "info cpus" it says the cpu has halted.... how can i let it continue ? |
| 16:00.24 | stoned | plus they are some good jobs there too especially if youve got degree from usa |
| 16:00.27 | stoned | anyway |
| 16:01.17 | stoned | time for more packing |
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| 16:01.22 | abrotman | mindframe: yes .. pgp isn't even made anymore |
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| 16:01.34 | abrotman | mindframe: for more info .. ask #gnupg or #gpg .. one of those |
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| 16:07.43 | RvGaTe | cydork, just wondering, does it take almost 10 minutes to boot up winxp in qemu ? |
| 16:08.27 | RvGaTe | cydork, qemu + kqemu |
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| 16:14.14 | tonsofpcs | is there a US DST fix for sarge? |
| 16:14.18 | abrotman | RvGaTe: it very well could |
| 16:14.20 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: yes |
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| 16:14.37 | abrotman | !dst change |
| 16:14.37 | dpkg | somebody said dst change was Support for DST change in USA 2007 is provided by libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 in sarge and tzdata-2006p-1 in etch. 'zdump -v /etc/localtime|grep 2007' should show March 11 and Nov 4 (instead of April/October). If you've recently updated, restart any daemons relying on /etc/localtime or reboot. |
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| 16:15.21 | tonsofpcs | hmmm, mine's already right, I guess it was updated before my last full upgrade set, thanks abrotman :) |
| 16:15.29 | abrotman | enjoy! |
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| 16:16.26 | tonsofpcs | now lets take bets on how soon they go back to the old ways |
| 16:16.28 | tonsofpcs | ;) |
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| 16:17.38 | x_link | tonsofpcs: =) |
| 16:18.17 | riyu | hi, i have installing ldap on debian 4 times, but everytime ldap crashed. |
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| 16:18.18 | riyu | which version of ldap should i use with which version of debian |
| 16:18.21 | abrotman | really? mine's been running forever |
| 16:18.46 | riyu | which version are you using |
| 16:18.54 | abrotman | slapd apparently |
| 16:19.29 | pengwyn | (don't do this) rm -rf ldap - problem solved |
| 16:19.35 | abrotman | pengwyn: stop |
| 16:19.52 | abrotman | pengwyn: go play somewhere else like #freenode |
| 16:19.55 | x_link | tonsofpcs: What's up? |
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| 16:20.05 | pengwyn | sorry man is was a long morning. |
| 16:20.11 | pengwyn | DDoS hell |
| 16:20.16 | abrotman | don't care |
| 16:20.17 | riyu | (i dint do this) it says ldap not found :) |
| 16:20.31 | pengwyn | just like I don't care about ldap |
| 16:20.49 | pengwyn | I'll go |
| 16:20.49 | abrotman | then don't respond |
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| 16:21.08 | riyu | abrotman: what is the version of openLDAP are you using ? |
| 16:21.25 | abrotman | !info slapd sarge |
| 16:21.34 | dpkg | slapd: (OpenLDAP server (slapd)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.23-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 798 kB, Installed size: 2228 kB |
| 16:21.43 | abrotman | that one |
| 16:22.01 | abrotman | !info slapd etch |
| 16:22.13 | dpkg | slapd: (OpenLDAP server (slapd)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.30-4 (etch), Packaged size: 1138 kB, Installed size: 2972 kB |
| 16:22.19 | abrotman | that could be fun ... hrm |
| 16:23.37 | riyu | thx |
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| 16:24.33 | Wulfie | can anyone tell me what versions of python are available in debian stable? |
| 16:25.04 | abrotman | Wulfie: packages.debian.org can |
| 16:25.05 | wols | 2.3,2.4 IIRC |
| 16:25.44 | Wulfie | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:25.47 | Wulfie | wols: thank you |
| 16:26.13 | abrotman | wols:might be more |
| 16:26.50 | wols | 2.2? I know it was two versions only |
| 16:27.03 | Wulfie | abrotman: is it possible to tell which one is used by default - ie there is both python 2.3 and python 2.4 available |
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| 16:27.11 | abrotman | python --version ? |
| 16:27.13 | wols | and it was kinde "in between" not all additional packages were available for the newre |
| 16:27.17 | abrotman | i think it was 2.3 |
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| 16:27.23 | wols | the older is used by default |
| 16:27.35 | abrotman | i seem to remember the 2.4 conversion growing pains trakcing etch |
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| 16:28.47 | GuySoft | hello, i wanted to resize a partition in gparted and got an error. so i loaded partition magic from windows to fix partition table errors. now the partition table seems to be damged, and i lost a fat32 partition with valuable info. i know where it starts. is there a tool to try and recover the information |
| 16:28.49 | GuySoft | ? |
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| 16:29.15 | wols | GuySoft: hex editor. enter the data again |
| 16:29.38 | GuySoft | wols, but i dont know where the partition ends.. |
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| 16:29.55 | wols | another (easy) way is: dd fromt he secotor on where it starts all to a file and then mount that file in linux as fat |
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| 16:30.34 | wols | shouldn't matter. making a partition from where it starts to the end of the disk would work too and then mount it |
| 16:30.47 | GuySoft | ill draw a diagram, the drive is supose to be |windows|extended<linux|ext3|fat32 |swap|> |
| 16:30.50 | wols | first sector of a FAT partition has partition size in a value |
| 16:30.59 | wols | doesn't matter |
| 16:30.59 | GuySoft | the last two partitions are lost |
| 16:31.20 | wols | at least the FAT one should be failry easy to be recovererd |
| 16:31.26 | wols | swap is irrelevant |
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| 16:31.47 | wols | and afaik no tool will automatically work without you knowing what you're doing |
| 16:31.50 | GuySoft | wols, ok, so what hex editor should i use? |
| 16:32.20 | wols | any hexeditor would work. but better use dd. less chance of deleting more info since you don't seem to know much about parittion tables |
| 16:32.34 | Rydekull | wols: yes |
| 16:32.42 | Rydekull | wols: or let me rephrase that 'yes' |
| 16:33.03 | GuySoft | brb, swiching computer |
| 16:33.34 | wols | weöö, what is the rephrase? |
| 16:33.38 | wols | *well |
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| 16:34.04 | GuySoft | back |
| 16:34.11 | dserban | Is there a good way to have gnome-screensaver installed but only have the screen locking/blanking option available? |
| 16:34.18 | GuySoft | hmm, i ran gpart and got the following output: ** Error: invalid extended ptbl found at sector(18394425). |
| 16:34.20 | GuySoft | Begin scan... |
| 16:34.34 | Rydekull | wols: I'll rephrase yet another time then, 'yes' is such a tool ;) |
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| 16:35.31 | wols | ok. let ME rephrase it then: not tool exists for automatically recovering shot partition table that doesn't have a fairly high risk of corrupting even more data |
| 16:35.51 | Rydekull | :P |
| 16:35.55 | abrotman | always make an image using dd :) |
| 16:36.04 | abrotman | dserban: as opposed to ? |
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| 16:36.48 | GuySoft | um, what shall i do first? |
| 16:37.22 | wols | this is not a channel for helping people to save their FAT partitions, is it? |
| 16:37.28 | dserban | abrotman, having a bunch of other screen savers available. I need to blank the screen for dpms power down overnight at the office, but I don't want a screensaver churning the cpu for 8 - 10 hours at a time. |
| 16:37.30 | Rydekull | no |
| 16:37.47 | wols | the idea is: make a backup of the drive, make a copy of the fat partition with dd and mount the resulting file |
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| 16:38.21 | GuySoft | wols, sorry, if you know a channel that might help, that would be nice |
| 16:38.42 | wols | not really, sorry |
| 16:38.45 | abrotman | dserban: i believe there's a "Blank" option you can choose in the screensavers |
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| 16:39.17 | wols | dpms has a simple screen blank built in I thought |
| 16:39.22 | dserban | abrotman, I didn't phrase my question correctly. How can I force the only option to be "blank" in gnome-screensaver? |
| 16:39.37 | GuySoft | how can i dd unallocated space?? |
| 16:39.42 | dserban | wols, dpms is that a package? |
| 16:39.46 | wols | GuySoft: via device file |
| 16:39.51 | dserban | or are you talking about the display protocol? |
| 16:39.53 | GuySoft | /dev/sda? |
| 16:40.01 | wols | dpms is a standard which has some utils. power management should be able to |
| 16:40.02 | hark | dserban: gnome-screensaver-preferences or remove it.. |
| 16:40.10 | GuySoft | what do i input so it knows where to start from and stop? |
| 16:40.20 | wols | GuySoft: man dd |
| 16:40.24 | dserban | hark, yes, then if I remove it, wouldn't the screen just gently burn for 8-10 hours? |
| 16:40.29 | infernix | how do i un-set an x-window background? I set one with Esetroot and would like to undo that. |
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| 16:40.51 | wols | dserban: not when dpms blanks the screen after some time |
| 16:41.09 | wols | afaik my debian boxes do this even by themselves after install. debian sets it up some where |
| 16:41.25 | dserban | wols, yeah, it's still a "trigger" that needs to be pulled by the os or helper apps. The monitor doesn't decide it on its own :s, hence my problem. |
| 16:41.34 | abrotman | dserban: that's what i'm saying .. in the gnome screensaver app .. there's an option for "None" or something .. it will merely blank the screen |
| 16:41.42 | wols | sure, but debian does it on its own |
| 16:41.58 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 16:41.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 16:42.00 | jelly-home | dserban: man xset ftw |
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| 16:42.30 | jelly-home | dserban: try typing in "xset dpms force off" and see what happens |
| 16:42.34 | wols | see? no screensaver needed |
| 16:42.46 | hatta | dserban, check out man xset |
| 16:42.52 | hatta | you can control some dpms options there |
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| 16:43.12 | hatta | yeah what he said |
| 16:43.17 | jelly-home | I do believe Gnome would have some DPMS settings somewhere... KDE has. |
| 16:43.33 | dserban | hah checking... excellent. And where can I call this on a per-user basis? |
| 16:43.45 | wols | .xinitrc :) |
| 16:43.47 | hatta | ~/.xinitrc |
| 16:43.49 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
| 16:43.49 | dserban | ie... someone logs in via gdm.. |
| 16:44.12 | wols | why is .xsession prefered? |
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| 16:44.23 | wols | especially when different DMs use different files? |
| 16:44.26 | GuySoft | does anyone know how to use gpart? |
| 16:44.36 | dserban | is there a "system" location instead of .gnomerc? |
| 16:44.49 | GuySoft | there seems to be a way to recover partitions in extended partitions.. |
| 16:44.50 | wols | dserban: /etc/X11 probly |
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| 16:47.04 | GuySoft | wols, is there a way to mount the partiton? when its not defined in the partition table? |
| 16:47.22 | PaSurf | I am looking for a good HBA that works great with debian and has several levels of raid |
| 16:48.07 | wols | make a file with dd out of it and it is |
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| 16:48.41 | wols | PaSurf: anything that works good with a vanilla linux kernel |
| 16:48.52 | cydork | HBA? |
| 16:48.52 | jelly-home | PaSurf: transport is not an issue? SATA, SCSI? |
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| 16:49.34 | PaSurf | wols: SCSI. there where some recommendations some time ago, cant remember. current HBA in poweredge 2400 is not reliable (Perc2) |
| 16:49.50 | jelly-home | cydork: host bus adapter. scsi controller if you like. |
| 16:50.10 | abrotman | perc2 isn't reliable ? |
| 16:50.13 | cydork | jelly-home: ahh ok. |
| 16:50.27 | PaSurf | jelly-home: ya, SCSI right now... |
| 16:50.42 | PaSurf | abrotman: who would have thought... |
| 16:51.08 | wols | PaSurf: get a kernel source from kernel.org and look for any which is not marked "experimental" or "new" |
| 16:51.25 | abrotman | PaSurf: mine is okay |
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| 16:51.34 | abrotman | wait .. i think it's perc2 |
| 16:51.35 | GuySoft | wols, its 8gbits , i dont have that much space |
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| 16:51.45 | jelly-home | wols: um, stability of drivers doesn't say much about the cards |
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| 16:52.20 | PaSurf | abrotman: I have two, and one died, talked to dell, they know that the perc2's do have issues with rebuilding the array when drive fails. And I got to test it out... |
| 16:52.22 | abrotman | PaSurf: IIRC .. those cards can get BIOS updates .. which might help you |
| 16:52.23 | wols | justin: but it's a good baseline to narrow the field imho |
| 16:52.55 | abrotman | PaSurf: adaptec any better? |
| 16:53.02 | PaSurf | abrotman: ya, tried it all... I just want something that is not gonna let me down, or at least has a good track record |
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| 16:53.14 | PaSurf | abrotman: Not sure |
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| 16:53.20 | jelly-home | PaSurf: maybe ask in #hardware too. We have 3ware for SATA, and some ICP Vortex for SCSI and SATA working fine, but I'm not sure I can really recommend any. |
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| 16:53.38 | abrotman | we've got all sorts here .. everything from IBM stuff to Dell stuff and everywhere in between |
| 16:53.48 | PaSurf | jelly-home: thats the card I was looking for, the 3ware.. |
| 16:53.56 | GuySoft | progress gpart found the partition: Primary partition(4) |
| 16:53.56 | GuySoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.57 | GuySoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.57 | GuySoft | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.03 | PaSurf | heard its a good card.... |
| 16:54.20 | abrotman | 3ware is sata though .. don't think they do scsi |
| 16:54.34 | PaSurf | Ahh... |
| 16:54.42 | g333k_work | stew, are you there? |
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| 16:55.00 | abrotman | i think you're stuck with lsi or adaptec these days .. or a custom jobby from ibm/hp/etc |
| 16:55.04 | guysoft42 | oops... sorry |
| 16:55.13 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:55.13 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:55.45 | jelly-home | those onboard controllers in HPs are nice, but not relevant here I guess |
| 16:55.53 | guysoft42 | thanks.. |
| 16:56.43 | abrotman | you could always get a second-hand controller from IBM or such |
| 16:56.55 | guysoft42 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5571 |
| 16:56.56 | PaSurf | well, if I can get something to replace the perc2 that would be good. I have a perc2 in another machine that is working no problem, but if it fails, I hope I can get the array back up again.. |
| 16:56.59 | guysoft42 | here we go |
| 16:57.31 | jelly-home | guysoft42: the partition start/ends are quite unusual (3188/181/1)-(4193/224/62)r |
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| 16:57.37 | wols | jelly-home: how is it unusual? |
| 16:57.52 | PaSurf | We just got the proliant 385 and one issue the controller will not allow me the flexability like the perc2 does |
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| 16:58.15 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, well ill start by saying that another unusual thing is the fact it didnt find the swap partition that was also lost , and the IBM mentaince partition at the end of the drive.. . |
| 16:58.19 | petemc | like the flexibility to blow up under heavy load? |
| 16:58.25 | jelly-home | wols: doesn't begin at a round head/sector (or offset 63) |
| 16:58.46 | g333k_work | Hey guys, I have resized my / partition in order to use LVM in the free space, then in then 30G available I have created a physical volume, then I added it to a volume group, created logical volumes lvusr and lvhome, anf finally I have created the filesystem ext3 on them, now I want to use lvhome as /home and lvusr as /usr, how can I do that? |
| 16:58.53 | guysoft42 | however this i defntaly not the maintenance partition, because the size matches the lost partition |
| 16:59.00 | jelly-home | guysoft42: this is an IBM machine? |
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| 16:59.36 | infernix | g333k_work: mount /dev/[volumegroup]/lvusr /usr |
| 16:59.50 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, no.. the IBM maintenance dosnt seem to appear in the scan... maybe partition magic i tryied to use to fix the problem messed up the startion point |
| 16:59.54 | g333k_work | infernix, what about my current /usr located in / ? |
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| 17:00.07 | g333k_work | infernix, I have some files there |
| 17:00.07 | infernix | oh, its a live migration. |
| 17:00.14 | g333k_work | infernix, yeah! |
| 17:01.47 | infernix | well, 1) stop all running services (except ssh) that use /usr (use lsof | grep usr). 2) mount /dev/somevg/lvusr /mnt 3) cp -a /usr/* /mnt/ 4) umount /mnt 5) mkdir /usrold 6) mv /usr/* /usrold/ 7) mount /dev/somevg/lvusr /usr 8) update fstab |
| 17:02.03 | jelly-home | guysoft42: If this were an IBM machine, I'd guess that your partition tool messed up the geometry... IBM laptops (and some Compaqs I saw) used xxx/240/63 style geometry instead of the more usual LBA yyy/255/63 style. This can account for partitions not starting at the beginning of a cylinder |
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| 17:02.37 | infernix | g333k_work: if that works, repeat for other partitions, then when all is done, rm -rf usrold homeold varold etc |
| 17:02.40 | jelly-home | guysoft42: gparted messed up the p.table on my current laptop like that once. |
| 17:02.47 | guysoft42 | its a IBM thinkpad r52.. if that makes sense to you |
| 17:03.04 | guysoft42 | gparted had a hand in this.. |
| 17:03.26 | guysoft42 | check out this - the output when running parted : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5572 |
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| 17:04.21 | jelly-home | guysoft42: hah! Mine was a thinkpad Z60m. and that warning sounds like some of the tools did that same thing. |
| 17:04.24 | mzilikazi | anything required for new daylight savings time in usa besides latest tzdata? |
| 17:04.41 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, so what do you do to save it? |
| 17:04.42 | abrotman | !dst change |
| 17:04.43 | dpkg | i guess dst change is Support for DST change in USA 2007 is provided by libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 in sarge and tzdata-2006p-1 in etch. 'zdump -v /etc/localtime|grep 2007' should show March 11 and Nov 4 (instead of April/October). If you've recently updated, restart any daemons relying on /etc/localtime or reboot. |
| 17:05.21 | mzilikazi | cool - all set |
| 17:05.37 | jelly-home | guysoft42: forced the geometry to xxxx/240/63 and moved the partitions to align nicely with the cylinder beginnings |
| 17:05.45 | g333k_work | infernix, stoppinmg all running services could be done going to the runlevel 1? I did #telinit 1 |
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| 17:05.56 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, what tools did you use? |
| 17:06.01 | g333k_work | infernix, luckily the system is not remote |
| 17:06.12 | jelly-home | guysoft42: sfdisk, parted, gparted. |
| 17:06.43 | guysoft42 | sfdisk? |
| 17:07.15 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, i am alittle scared of loosing this data.. can you guide me how to fix this? |
| 17:07.23 | infernix | g333k_work: yeah, init 1 is ideal |
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| 17:07.57 | guysoft42 | i meen even the '--help' includes the words 'dangerous options'... |
| 17:08.29 | jelly-home | guysoft42: well, messing with partition table on a disk which already has data is always dangerous |
| 17:08.59 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, dangerous has its levels.. |
| 17:09.01 | jelly-home | guysoft42: I recommend creating a disk image on a larger device first. ;-) |
| 17:09.33 | guysoft42 | this laptop has no 'larger device' i have 12 to play with on another pc here. .but its fat32 |
| 17:10.19 | g333k_work | infernix, wewll let me try |
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| 17:10.48 | jelly-home | guysoft42: you can attach a drive via usb or firewire, or make a dump over the network too. |
| 17:10.53 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, for a start.. can i somehow mount this unallocated space? i know where the partition starts.. |
| 17:11.13 | jelly-home | guysoft42: you have to create a partition. |
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| 17:11.15 | wols | guysoft42: this is why you must make a copy via dd somewhere |
| 17:11.23 | wols | deelte something on othre partitions or whatever |
| 17:12.05 | guysoft42 | wols ill work on it now.. in the meentime, is there a way to access this unallocated space? mount it read only? .. because i know where the partition starts.. |
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| 17:13.27 | wols | you are repeating yourself |
| 17:13.43 | wols | afaik mount has some offset option |
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| 17:14.43 | kingsley | Is there a command that simultaneously reveals all timestamps associated with a given file? |
| 17:14.58 | jelly-home | kingsley: stat |
| 17:15.40 | wols | man mount and man losetup will tell you more. so it is possible |
| 17:15.48 | kingsley | jelly-home: OK, thanks. |
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| 17:19.00 | guysoft42 | ok, i manged to free up on the a computer here 9 gb |
| 17:19.04 | guysoft42 | ill dump shortly |
| 17:19.57 | guysoft42 | wols, i think what i really need to man now is dd.. |
| 17:20.04 | jelly-home | guysoft42: I also suspect gpart could work better if you gave it correct CHS values |
| 17:20.22 | wols | guysoft42: not (neecssarily) needed. but a very good investement of time. backups never hurt |
| 17:20.24 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, whats CHS? |
| 17:20.32 | wols | Cylinedr Head Sector |
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| 17:20.57 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, do you know the argument for this? |
| 17:21.10 | jelly-home | guysoft42: cylinder, head, sector -- the disk geometry |
| 17:21.50 | jelly-home | guysoft42: man? gpart -h ? |
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| 17:22.48 | jelly-home | guysoft42: you'd have to calculate the cylinder bit, but IMO h = 240 and s = 63 for your machine |
| 17:23.26 | jelly-home | guysoft42: pastebin sfdisk -d /dev/sda |
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| 17:24.39 | guysoft42 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 17:24.44 | guysoft42 | wait |
| 17:24.51 | guysoft42 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5573 |
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| 17:25.20 | jelly-home | gross! :-) |
| 17:25.24 | bonez39 | here's my question: I print to a network attached ljiiip, and windows jobs to it print fine, but linux jobs print all at one page at a time...each page of a several page job require intervention with the printer keys....to eject each page |
| 17:25.24 | guysoft42 | i am trying to save /dev/sda7 (there is also /dev/sda8 , thats swap) |
| 17:25.33 | g333k_work | infernix, after mounting the lvusr I have to fix my fstab? |
| 17:25.44 | jelly-home | guysoft42: you have empty space in the middle of the disk? |
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| 17:25.55 | bonez39 | why would linux jobs only, require manual ejection, while windows print jobs of more than one page all just print without intervention? |
| 17:26.02 | infernix | g333k_work: yeah, edit /etc/fstab to add the mountpoint so it mounts at bootup |
| 17:26.04 | guysoft42 | yes.. i was going to resize sda5 to that free space |
| 17:26.19 | guysoft42 | thats when things went worng.. |
| 17:26.29 | infernix | g333k_work: if you can figure out LVM you should know how to do such a task, really |
| 17:26.51 | guysoft42 | sda5 wont resize in gparted.. so i opend partition magic.. and the partitions died afrer it tried to 'fix' the problem |
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| 17:27.52 | guysoft42 | jelly, once i save the data.. ill play with the sizes |
| 17:27.52 | g333k_work | infernix, I use LVM, but I set it up from the beginning, in a new fresh install, but never did a live migration |
| 17:28.09 | jelly-home | guysoft42: do you remember the exact problem pqmagic tried to solve? |
| 17:28.10 | guysoft42 | ... after i calm down |
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| 17:28.56 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, it gave a log panful list of errors.. |
| 17:29.06 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, it wasnt just one... |
| 17:29.27 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, are you suspecting one? |
| 17:29.29 | jelly-home | guysoft42: and of course you didn't save it or made a screenshot ;-) |
| 17:29.49 | jelly-home | guysoft42: no, but it might indicate what was the original table like |
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| 17:30.21 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, yes.. i thaught my problems were fixed.. it found the error that stoped me from resizeing sda5.. |
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| 17:31.17 | guysoft42 | jelly, suppose i mannage to mount all of that unallocated space as fat32.. (i dont care for the swap) wont that save it |
| 17:31.19 | guysoft42 | ? |
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| 17:31.40 | jelly-home | guysoft42: well, your windows and ibm-service partitions look untouched |
| 17:31.51 | guysoft42 | true |
| 17:32.00 | guysoft42 | and so is the linux partiton.. i am using it now :) |
| 17:32.04 | jelly-home | guysoft42: I think that would work, yes |
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| 17:32.24 | g333k_work | infernix, do you have some example there? I'm not sure what mount options use for /usr |
| 17:32.24 | guysoft42 | its all that is byond sda5 in the extended that went bad.. |
| 17:32.31 | jelly-home | guysoft42: don't tell you tried to run gparted from the running linux? :-) |
| 17:32.32 | guysoft42 | i manged to restor sda6 with PQ magic.. |
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| 17:32.55 | jelly-home | guysoft42: what is sda6, the other ext3 part? |
| 17:32.59 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, i tried both from this linux.. and from knoppix livecd |
| 17:33.10 | guysoft42 | its just an extra ext3 partition.. |
| 17:33.19 | guysoft42 | it should be there |
| 17:33.53 | guysoft42 | i just used fsck now to see how its doing, it said only that 'Superblock last write time is in the future. Fix<y>? no' |
| 17:34.31 | guysoft42 | so i think sda6 is there and safe.. its the right size |
| 17:34.38 | g333k_work | Hi, can you tell me what mount options should I user for /usr in the fstab file? |
| 17:35.08 | jelly-home | guysoft42: great, I think you can just re-create a partition using the whole space. |
| 17:35.14 | yomm | I installed Sarge_3.1r5 on Vmware . It is hanging ( tried 2 installs ! ) at "Uncompressing Linux , Booting the Kernel" Any Ideas ? |
| 17:35.17 | guysoft42 | yes.. sda6 is fine.. i mounted it ro and its ok |
| 17:35.38 | guysoft42 | jelly, what command do i do for that? |
| 17:35.51 | jelly-home | guysoft42: but it would be really good if you could just the disk somewhere before messing it up even more |
| 17:35.57 | jelly-home | s/just/dump/ |
| 17:36.04 | guysoft42 | jelly, i am doing that now |
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| 17:36.36 | yomm | *after the first reboot .. |
| 17:37.11 | jelly-home | guysoft42: your CHS is 5168/240/63 ... use that with any fdisk-like tool and create a logical sda7. |
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| 17:38.01 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, i have space to dd this 8gb to another computer |
| 17:38.10 | guysoft42 | but its alot to dump.. and i have not alot of time here |
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| 17:38.47 | jelly-home | guysoft42: I wasn't thinking of dumping the unused space, but the whole disk. |
| 17:39.01 | jelly-home | guysoft42: that's 40GB. |
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| 17:39.36 | jelly-home | guysoft42: alternatively, you can add the partition with sfdisk and use it's undo options |
| 17:39.41 | jelly-home | its* |
| 17:39.44 | guysoft42 | 40 is much too much |
| 17:39.50 | mzilikazi | new kernel (done the debian way) fails to boot (hi-res timer prob) ok fine - afaik i can just keep the same source.deb but what about headers.deb? i need to rebuild it too along w/ image.deb? |
| 17:39.59 | guysoft42 | jelly, we can try that |
| 17:40.16 | guysoft42 | we have 13 GB to dump to .. |
| 17:40.18 | bzed | mzilikazi: no, headers stay the same. did you create an initrd for your kernel? |
| 17:40.25 | mzilikazi | bzed: yep |
| 17:40.26 | bzed | mzilikazi: you probably need that.... |
| 17:40.29 | bzed | ok |
| 17:40.44 | mzilikazi | k tx |
| 17:40.52 | bzed | mzilikazi: I usually only build the image, everything else is on the disk anyway as I don't delete the sources |
| 17:41.22 | mzilikazi | bzed: custom patched for real-time |
| 17:41.37 | mzilikazi | oic |
| 17:41.41 | mzilikazi | tha makes sense |
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| 17:42.21 | bzed | mzilikazi: hmm, I had this hi-res timer problems, too when I tried RT the last titme. didn't bother to look into it, though |
| 17:42.58 | jelly-home | guysoft42: how did you resize the windows partition, btw? with gparted? |
| 17:43.18 | jelly-home | guysoft42: I mean, the first time you installed Linux... |
| 17:43.24 | jetscreamer | what i did once with genrtc vs rtc is i mv'd the genrtc.ko and created a symlink to rtc.ko |
| 17:43.30 | jetscreamer | hack! |
| 17:43.30 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, yes , i used gparted to resize the windows partition, and the extended partition |
| 17:44.16 | jelly-home | guysoft42: I see the gparted's wrong guessing geometry like it did on my machine, the windows partition's end is aligned to /255/63 geometry |
| 17:44.54 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, the first time.. was partition magic.. its stayed there ever since |
| 17:45.06 | jelly-home | guysoft42: but the IBMSERVICE partition at the end of disk is aligned to a /240/63 geometry... this is not really an issue if everything works |
| 17:45.33 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, shal we try and create a fat32 drive there? |
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| 17:46.33 | jelly-home | guysoft42: what I'd do, was edit the sfdisk output, resize the extended partition to fit snugly next to the IBMSERVICE one at the end, and add a sda7 |
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| 17:47.01 | jelly-home | s/was// |
| 17:47.17 | edylie | May i know what is the equivalent key hot_list_length for 2.6 kernel. |
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| 17:50.57 | jelly-home | guysoft42: the output of sfdisk -d can be edited and piped back into sfdisk, that's how I'd do it. |
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| 17:52.24 | jelly-home | guysoft42: so take a calculator, and try to understand the output. The numbers are sectors. start= is sector offset for each partition beginning, and size is its size in sectors |
| 17:52.43 | jetscreamer | nuke the damn thing and start over :o |
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| 17:52.51 | jetscreamer | restore from backup!!! |
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| 17:52.57 | jetscreamer | oh... no backup? tsk |
| 17:53.45 | shadok | hi, can etch be used as a server ? is there some form of support from the equivalent of glsa for it ? (software to check security of packages) |
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| 17:54.46 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, ok hang on.. |
| 17:55.54 | stew | shadok: subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce |
| 17:56.06 | g333k_work | Hi, can you tell me what mount options should I user for /usr in the fstab file? |
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| 17:56.31 | shadok | stew: thx i'll find the app with that i guess :) |
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| 17:56.54 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: hehe |
| 17:56.58 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, so it starts at 51226560 |
| 17:57.08 | guysoft42 | how do i create a partition there? |
| 17:57.17 | stew | shadok: if you want an app, "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" will tell you which packages need to be upgraded. the only reason pacakges are being updated in testing right now is to fix release critical bugs and security fixes |
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| 17:57.53 | jelly-home | guysoft42: type it in! :-) /dev/sda6 : start= 51226560 ... |
| 17:58.02 | jelly-home | guysoft42: er, sda7 |
| 17:58.02 | shadok | ah ok, cool so, i suppose the glsa-lik app is only for stable |
| 17:58.08 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, starts: 51226560 size: 18204480, does that make sense? |
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| 17:58.31 | shadok | *glsa-like |
| 17:58.34 | jelly-home | guysoft42: looks fine to me |
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| 17:58.50 | jelly-home | guysoft42: also increase the size of the extended partition |
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| 18:01.38 | guysoft42 | jelly-home, shal i use gparted to extend it? or will that be killing myself? |
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| 18:01.57 | jelly-home | guysoft42: I don't trust gparted ;-) |
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| 18:11.56 | grendal_prime | how do i creat a iso |
| 18:12.17 | grendal_prime | not burn a disk from an iso but actually create the iso for distribution. |
| 18:12.42 | stew | grendal_prime: with mkisofs ; (there are examples in the wodim/cdrecord manpage) |
| 18:12.58 | bzed | grendal_prime: or use your favourite gui... k3b for example |
| 18:13.29 | PDani_ | grendal_prime: brasero could be also a good choice |
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| 18:16.53 | abrotman | dd |
| 18:16.57 | abrotman | oh .. mkisofs |
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| 18:17.47 | bzed | grendal_prime: uh? you must be blind :D |
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| 18:18.07 | Ind[y] | I get this when I run startx. Any help, please? http://pastebin.ca/383907 |
| 18:18.21 | bzed | grendal_prime: file -> new project... select the right one... |
| 18:19.14 | bzed | grendal_prime: add your files... and let it create an iso of it... not sure where that was, probabyl just in the burn dialog |
| 18:19.22 | abrotman | Ind[y]: do you have the mach64 driver anywhere on your system ? |
| 18:19.34 | abrotman | !find mach64 etch |
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| 18:20.02 | abrotman | Ind[y]: which card do you have ? |
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| 18:20.20 | Ind[y] | abrotman: ATI RRage128 |
| 18:20.22 | Ind[y] | * |
| 18:20.27 | Ind[y] | ATI Rage128 |
| 18:20.29 | Ind[y] | r128 |
| 18:20.33 | abrotman | i think you want the 'ati' driver .. not mach64 |
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| 18:20.54 | Ind[y] | abrotman: I know. But I have added it. |
| 18:21.02 | abrotman | show us your X config |
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| 18:21.22 | abrotman | and install xfonts-base |
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| 18:23.14 | Ind[y] | ok |
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| 18:23.49 | PDani_ | grendal_prime: click on burn button, and then on the burn dialog toggle the "only create image" checkbox |
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| 18:24.27 | queuetue | Wow. The amavisd maintainers have certainly found a way to make configuration more confusing... |
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| 18:26.01 | imgrey | Good Day #debian |
| 18:26.12 | cinix | good day |
| 18:26.35 | imgrey | could someone please sponsor package for me ? |
| 18:26.42 | imgrey | http://62.2.177.13/stuff/ufo2k_0.7/ |
| 18:27.15 | LunarCrisis | does anyone know of a good filesize viewer? I used to use konqueror's plugin for that, but it's a really heavy program |
| 18:27.22 | Flimzy | LunarCrisis: ls? |
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| 18:27.36 | jelly-home | LunarCrisis: ls -l file :-) |
| 18:27.41 | stew | imgrey: there should be a packagename_version.orig.tar.gz and a pacakgename_version.diff.gz |
| 18:27.48 | mrec_ | anyone here with bad experience with the latest ATI binary drivers? |
| 18:27.50 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 18:27.50 | dpkg | methinks mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 18:27.52 | abrotman | imgrey: ^^ |
| 18:27.57 | LunarCrisis | Flimzy, I want to be able to visualize relative sizes recursively for my entire home directory =p |
| 18:28.00 | imgrey | stew, http://62.2.177.13/stuff/ufo2k_0.7/ufo2000_0.7.1071-1.tar.gz |
| 18:28.07 | Flimzy | LunarCrisis: ls -lR |
| 18:28.15 | LunarCrisis | sort of like xdu, except with a nicer view |
| 18:28.31 | stew | imgrey: yes i saw that. there should be a packagename_version.orig.tar.gz and a packagename_version.diff.gz |
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| 18:29.03 | jelly-home | LunarCrisis: I do that with du | sort -k1,1n |
| 18:29.13 | cinix | mrec_, not me, with the latest debian packaged version at least. noticed no change |
| 18:29.45 | stew | imgrey: unless you intended to make a debian-native pacakge (which is generally only for software that is not useful outside of debian), then the version number shouldn't have a debian revision |
| 18:30.05 | stew | imgrey: read the new maintainer's guide if you haven't yet |
| 18:30.14 | LunarCrisis | jelly-home, hmm, that's pretty nice |
| 18:30.29 | LunarCrisis | maybe's I should work on a file size viewer for thunar >.< |
| 18:31.03 | jelly-home | LunarCrisis: it's also lightweight, only it doesn't cache file sizes, so another run will du all over again ;-) |
| 18:31.17 | vanisher | question: how can i adjust the font in iceweasel? the default fonts in etc with xfce really suck |
| 18:31.28 | LunarCrisis | jelly-home, actually, it's fast the second time |
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| 18:31.51 | jelly-home | LunarCrisis: that's linux disk cache/buffers in action |
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| 18:33.37 | stew | imgrey: the .tar.gz seems to contain a bunch of binaries with no source. "lua" and ufo2000-0.7.1073/extensions/*map for examples |
| 18:33.46 | guysoft22 | jelly-home, the system has nearly frozen.. its acccessing the hard drive.. and hardly moves.. i ran the rescue command |
| 18:34.09 | imgrey | stew, thank you |
| 18:34.18 | jelly-home | guysoft22: probably looks all over the disk for probable partitions, like gpart |
| 18:34.25 | imgrey | stew, going to fix makefile |
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| 18:34.40 | stew | imgrey: debian/patches contains a bunch of logfiles |
| 18:34.45 | guysoft22 | jelly-home, yes.. but its bombarding with intterrups.. |
| 18:35.00 | guysoft22 | jelly-home, its stuck at 5% |
| 18:35.14 | stew | imgrey: take out the unused (commented out) debhelper scripts from debian/rules |
| 18:35.16 | jelly-home | guysoft22: eh, at least it has a progress meter. ;-) |
| 18:35.16 | guysoft22 | i moved computers just now |
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| 18:35.48 | guysoft22 | jelly-home, maybe the intrrups to the screen stoped.. because of the drive.. |
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| 18:36.39 | jelly-home | guysoft22: if it's a 2.4 kernel I wouldn't be surprised if the machine was unresposive for a bit |
| 18:36.45 | guysoft22 | because the KDE clock has stoped..the mouse is reallsy slow |
| 18:36.46 | guysoft22 | wait! |
| 18:36.52 | guysoft22 | it started moving! |
| 18:37.05 | stew | imgrey: newmusic/readme.txt makes me wonder if the UFO2000 Team is the copyright holder for the music on newmusic |
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| 18:38.08 | guysoft22 | yay!! |
| 18:38.29 | stew | imgrey: the XCOM directory seems to contain almost nothing but binaries without source |
| 18:39.13 | red-eie | Hi, can someone give me a link or a hint of how I can make a custom sarge debian installer? |
| 18:39.37 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 18:39.37 | dpkg | from memory, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 18:39.49 | abrotman | why can't we get a RM update .. been awhile |
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| 18:40.18 | red-eie | yes a custom netinst |
| 18:40.45 | red-eie | abrotman: yes a custom netinst |
| 18:41.04 | abrotman | !tell red-eie about custom netinst |
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| 18:46.17 | imgrey | stew, XCOM and TFTD are two ancient games, produced by Microprose. is it possible to put package with them in non-free ? |
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| 18:47.31 | ranphatje | what USB 2.0 PCMCIA card does debian support? |
| 18:47.48 | rahul | !hcl |
| 18:47.48 | dpkg | somebody said hcl was at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 18:47.52 | guysoft42 | yay, system is back, thanks a- heep jelly-home :) |
| 18:48.17 | rahul | http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ <- actually, this one is very good |
| 18:48.17 | jelly-home | guysoft42: you're welcome |
| 18:48.20 | stew | imgrey: what license are they distributable under? |
| 18:48.27 | rahul | !hcl is also http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 18:48.27 | dpkg | rahul: okay |
| 18:48.53 | imgrey | stew, that was shareware. |
| 18:48.58 | stew | imgrey: then no |
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| 18:49.47 | wols | it wasn't shareware. it was a standard commercial game |
| 18:49.52 | h3sp4wn | doom-wad-shareware is in non free |
| 18:50.05 | imgrey | wols, demo version was shareware afaik |
| 18:50.05 | stew | hmm |
| 18:50.19 | wols | imgrey: a microprose game? no |
| 18:50.23 | stew | imgrey: where is the text of the distribution license? |
| 18:51.28 | imgrey | stew, in fact the company doest exists and actual owner is unkown |
| 18:52.02 | stew | imgrey: the we don't even know who owns the software, then debian certainly can't distribute it |
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| 18:52.21 | imgrey | stew, many tried to figure out, who is posses rights, but no one succeed |
| 18:52.35 | wols | just downloaded the xcom demo. there is no license in it. only (c)1994 microprose |
| 18:53.16 | wols | imgrey: from debian's PoV that's even wrose than a license which forbids redistribuition outright |
| 18:54.13 | imgrey | good that ufo2000 working without original game |
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| 19:04.42 | imgrey | stew, is it possible to include *map in package that was made, as far as i understand, with map editor tool ? |
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| 19:05.14 | stew | imgrey: you are build-depending on packages not in debian |
| 19:05.17 | wols | yes. the tool it is made with has no influence on its copyright |
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| 19:05.49 | sorl_ | if i was to use sql alchemy with django... can i still use the templating system in a simple way? |
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| 19:06.07 | stew | imgrey: it can be in non-free if the files don't have source as long as they are distributable |
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| 19:06.30 | stew | imgrey: but there is no hawknl-dev in debian, and libdumb0-dev and libaldmb0-dev are not in unstable (only stable) |
| 19:06.57 | stew | imgrey: if the map files are the preferred form of modification, then you don't have to worry about source |
| 19:07.17 | stew | imgrey: you do need to worry about getting the copyright information for the music in newmusic |
| 19:07.48 | imgrey | stew, indeed. but i made hawkNL debian package myself and hope it appear in debian too. |
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| 19:09.32 | imgrey | stew, i received mail from author ot those tracks: "i do't posses this staff so cannot grant you permission to use..". seems i will get rid of that tracks |
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| 19:10.52 | |capiira | hmmmm soooo hard to decide what desktop to use :) |
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| 19:11.25 | jelly-home | !start a wm war |
| 19:11.25 | dpkg | enlightenment bites! |
| 19:11.39 | |capiira | :) |
| 19:11.40 | PupenoR | Is it possible to insert the packages generated by module-assisntant into a debarchiver repository? |
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| 19:12.07 | |capiira | thats the negative side of the freedom |
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| 19:12.20 | |capiira | so much stuff that you cant decide |
| 19:12.27 | imgrey | stew, as far as i understand, it is necessary to build and maintain libdumb0-dev and libdmb0-dev libraries in sid too ? |
| 19:12.39 | concept10 | |capiira, you will after a while |
| 19:12.53 | |capiira | yeah im starting to like kde |
| 19:13.07 | |capiira | but that dual display bug is really annoying |
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| 19:13.14 | Tigger__ | yeah kde is good |
| 19:13.28 | concept10 | I hate KDE and GNOME but use GNOME |
| 19:13.40 | |capiira | i cant arrange icons on the second display |
| 19:13.51 | |capiira | they all move back to the first one |
| 19:13.52 | Tigger__ | kde is faster than gnome now |
| 19:13.59 | jelly-home | I don't hate anything but use XFCE |
| 19:14.02 | |capiira | yeah i noticed that |
| 19:14.30 | |capiira | used gnome for 3 weeks and now im trying kde |
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| 19:14.47 | Tigger__ | cool capiira |
| 19:14.49 | Tigger__ | :) |
| 19:15.06 | Optic | hi hi, is there a new timezone database for sarge that handles the daylight savings time changes next week? |
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| 19:15.17 | dondelelcaro | Optic: it's in the libc6 sarge5 upgrade. |
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| 19:15.32 | dondelelcaro | Optic: if you've been keeping up with the sarge security updates or point updates, you already have it. |
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| 19:15.34 | zinx | Optic: yeah. just update. |
| 19:15.41 | melodos | can i load up to grub as many distros i want ? |
| 19:15.42 | Optic | okay |
| 19:15.47 | |capiira | :) yeah what i like in kde is that gtk apps use qt themes |
| 19:15.48 | Optic | is it in sarge/stable? |
| 19:15.54 | dondelelcaro | Optic: yes. |
| 19:15.55 | corpcomp | I have installed the "ISP-style Email Service with Debian-Sarge and Postfix 2.1" from workaround.org. I am using evolution as a client. When I setup the receiving email, I select TLS for my encryption and I get "Mar 6 19:04:31 vs01 imaplogin: couriertls: connect: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number" in the mail.log can someone point me in the right direction please. |
| 19:16.00 | |capiira | in gnome qt apps dont use gtk themes |
| 19:16.06 | dondelelcaro | Optic: you may also need to run tzconfig; again just to update it. |
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| 19:16.17 | larsl | What's the program to start a GDM login screen in a nested X server? I though it was gdmXnest, but that just starts a nested X server without a login screen. |
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| 19:16.45 | PupenoR | |capiira: that's because there's a bridge theme. |
| 19:17.02 | |capiira | and all the kde features :) i missed too much in gnome becuase i used windows since 1.0 hehe |
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| 19:17.06 | laidback_01 | hey, our mail server is taking a tremendous amount of spam - clients getting upset about it now. Anyway, I recall a solution that sent an email back to whoever sent you an email, forcing them to reply saying simply they are a real person. Takes too long for the spammer to do this (in theory) so I was wondering if anyone recalls the name of that? Should work with SA and postfix ... |
| 19:17.06 | Fenix_NBK_ | hi all ! |
| 19:17.22 | Fenix_NBK_ | I wanted to know - are non-x86 ports have equal functionality ? |
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| 19:17.38 | larsl | laidback_01: That sounds extremely nasty for mailing lists. |
| 19:17.43 | Fenix_NBK_ | for example ARM port, or SPARC port... ? |
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| 19:17.47 | PupenoR | Fenix_NBK_: some do, some don't. |
| 19:17.51 | stew | imgrey: no, you'd want to build against libdumb1, i dunno what libdmb0-dev is, perhaps that would have to be packaged as well, yes |
| 19:17.58 | PupenoR | Fenix_NBK_: some packages don't even work in anything but x86. |
| 19:18.04 | stew | imgrey: if hawknl is a shared library, the package name should start with lib |
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| 19:18.07 | |capiira | yeah that bridge theme feature is nice |
| 19:18.08 | Fenix_NBK_ | PupenoR: Do they have KDE and all the apps ? |
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| 19:18.56 | PupenoR | Fenix_NBK_: SPARC GNU/Linux is likely to have most of the common applications, I would dubt it for ARM. But I believe you can check it yourself. |
| 19:19.05 | Fenix_NBK_ | PupenoR: Are those packages marked as "non-working" or they are simply not included or user must figure this himself? |
| 19:19.09 | jelly-home | laidback_01: you'll generate a lot of collateral damage and some people may stop using your services. Other than that, there are some challenge/response systems in the wilds used. |
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| 19:19.54 | PupenoR | Fenix_NBK_: somewhere there might be a database of packages than need porting, but I don't know. |
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| 19:20.04 | laidback_01 | okay, well, we have on;y around 100 clients, so it'll be easy to talk with them to sort out who wants it, and who doesn't. |
| 19:20.13 | Fenix_NBK_ | ok thanks |
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| 19:20.18 | Optic | is there an online svn/cvs thingy where I can see the changelog for the Canada/Eastern timezone files? |
| 19:20.23 | PupenoR | Fenix_NBK_: in packages.debian.org you can find that info. |
| 19:20.38 | PupenoR | Fenix_NBK_: for example: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/aboot only works on Alpha. |
| 19:20.56 | larsl | Ah, never mind, it's gdmflexiserver -n. |
| 19:20.59 | PupenoR | Fenix_NBK_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/adduser works on All. And so on. |
| 19:21.56 | thelostbutler | hello folks, how does one find out a user's default lib path ? does setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH override the default lib path ? |
| 19:22.46 | thelostbutler | i have a system where LD_LIBRARY_PATH=:/home/username/lib and when i run ls . i get the errrod ls: error while loading shared libraries: librt.so.1: cannot read file data: Error 21 |
| 19:23.08 | Fenix_NBK_ | well, KDE-base is marked "all" arch |
| 19:23.09 | Fenix_NBK_ | http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/kdebase |
| 19:23.24 | PupenoR | Does anybody know how to inject a .deb into a debarchiver repository? |
| 19:23.26 | Fenix_NBK_ | does it really means it works on all architectures? |
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| 19:24.09 | PupenoR | Fenix_NBK_: do you need to know about all of them, or some in particular? if there's a .deb for a particular architecture, I'd expect it to work. |
| 19:24.15 | |capiira | hmmm i think i will stay with kde, it feels more advanced and professional to me:) |
| 19:24.30 | Fenix_NBK_ | Nothing particular... just interesting overall... |
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| 19:24.49 | Fenix_NBK_ | It's because I have never used anything except x86... |
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| 19:24.58 | Fenix_NBK_ | So I get some fresh interest |
| 19:25.57 | |capiira | btw. kde 3.5.6 from experimental works fine on testing :) |
| 19:26.15 | Fenix_NBK_ | btw: Anybody knows why Ubuntu is more popular according to distrowatch ? |
| 19:26.26 | ekimus | is there some place where i can find documentation on how to create a custom install cd I've been looking thru several guides in debian.org/docs but couldn't find it.. |
| 19:26.29 | Fenix_NBK_ | Actually it has less than Debian |
| 19:26.43 | |capiira | maybe because it has a cool theme by default |
| 19:26.46 | Fenix_NBK_ | less in-house functionality |
| 19:26.46 | kelsin | Fenix_NBK_: isn't distrowatch only based on clicks to the distro's page? |
| 19:27.01 | Fenix_NBK_ | kelsin: it is |
| 19:27.20 | Fenix_NBK_ | but getting very hi rank there is non-easy |
| 19:27.37 | |capiira | and ubuntu is a little bit more user friendly |
| 19:27.44 | ekimus | Fenix_NBK_: imho because the 1) it's everywhere in the media atm 2) [xk]ubuntu-desktop meta packages are quite nice (speaking of visuals and ease of use here) |
| 19:27.52 | ekimus | s/the// |
| 19:28.14 | |capiira | ok time to cook |
| 19:28.19 | |capiira | cya |
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| 19:29.03 | Fenix_NBK_ | Does Ubuntu affect Debian in any (positive/negative) way? |
| 19:29.15 | ekimus | yes |
| 19:29.16 | sparrw | you give me a list of your installed packages, i put updated versions on a CD or DVD and ship it to you for updating without an internet connection... would this be a useful service? |
| 19:29.18 | gemidjy_ | is it possible to auto remove duplicate files (same files different version) from a repository ? |
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| 19:29.31 | zamuro | All negative, IMO |
| 19:29.47 | dondelelcaro | gemidjy_: from which repository? |
| 19:29.57 | gemidjy_ | dondelelcaro: sorry, local one |
| 19:29.57 | ekimus | sparrw: how would I know about this service? |
| 19:30.11 | gemidjy_ | dondelelcaro: I create Packages.gz with dpkg-scanpackages |
| 19:30.15 | Fenix_NBK_ | zamuro: because they steal some dev attention from Debian or other reason? |
| 19:30.24 | ekimus | sparrw: and don't tell me you set up a website to catch customers that don't have net access :) |
| 19:30.26 | Ronin | they dont steal :) |
| 19:30.36 | sparrw | ekimus: word of mouth, and yes a web site :-p |
| 19:30.37 | dondelelcaro | gemidjy_: well, you can remove them, but it's not necessarily clear which one you should remove. |
| 19:30.46 | kelsin | Fenix_NBK_: it brought me to debian, so that's positive for me, I just get annoyed when ubuntu users forget where their distro came from |
| 19:30.49 | dondelelcaro | gemidjy_: in any event, you probably want to actually use apt-ftparchive, not dpkg-scanpackages. |
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| 19:31.07 | dondelelcaro | kelsin: it's ok; we don't mind when they do. |
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| 19:31.12 | sparrw | ekimus: i propose this service as a potential customer... i just discovered ive got 800MB of dist-upgrade to download, and it would be so nice if there was a CD waiting in my mailbox right now with all of it |
| 19:31.17 | guysoft22 | jelly-home, sill here |
| 19:31.24 | abrotman | Kisom: please don't |
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| 19:31.30 | sparrw | ekimus: its a viable service even for net-connected people imho |
| 19:31.32 | gemidjy_ | dondelelcaro: but dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz" works file |
| 19:31.34 | gemidjy_ | fine* |
| 19:31.38 | zamuro | Fenix_NBK_: That too... But mostly because of the bunch of good-for-nothing windows users that are starting to poison the GNU/Linux Community |
| 19:31.43 | Kisom | abrotman: Please don't do what? |
| 19:31.46 | sparrw | ekimus: remember, truck-full-of-DVDs is still the highest bandwidth in the world :) |
| 19:31.46 | abrotman | ping me |
| 19:31.56 | guysoft22 | jelly-home, i am not able to resize the sda5 partition.. and pqmagic is giving me an error it wants me to fix |
| 19:32.00 | gemidjy_ | dondelelcaro: i.e. there are kde 3.5.5 and kde 3.5.6 files in the folder where the packages are, so I want to remove them |
| 19:32.05 | rgsteele | Hey guys. Is there any *nix utility to calculate the intersection of two finite sets of ordered strings? I'm not too terribly concerned with efficiency, although anything close to O(m + n) would be nice. For example, I'm looking for the interesection of two sets A = {foo, bar, baz} and B = {bar, baz, charlie} such that A ∩ B = {foo, bar, baz, charlie} |
| 19:32.07 | jelly-home | guysoft22: don't use it |
| 19:32.11 | Kisom | abrotman: Sorry, just needed to check if I had internet avaliable, so I just pinged some random person. |
| 19:32.15 | gemidjy_ | and many more which can't be seen with wildcards |
| 19:32.19 | guysoft22 | jelly-home, with pleasure.. |
| 19:32.26 | abrotman | Kisom: your web browser is broken ? |
| 19:32.29 | guysoft22 | the question is - why gparted one let me resize it? |
| 19:32.32 | dondelelcaro | gemidjy_: it works until you've got multiple packages with the same version number |
| 19:32.33 | zerod | Hello |
| 19:32.44 | Kisom | abrotman: Of course it is. |
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| 19:32.55 | justin | rgsteele: if the strings are one per line you can do it with grep.. |
| 19:32.55 | dondelelcaro | (in which case it only includes the newest one) |
| 19:32.57 | abrotman | then you didn't need to ping me |
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| 19:33.04 | justin | rgsteele: python has nice set types too.. |
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| 19:33.19 | thelostbutler | i have a system where LD_LIBRARY_PATH=:/home/username/lib and when i run ls . i get the errrod ls: error while loading shared libraries: librt.so.1: cannot read file data: Error 21. i would appreciate some help on this |
| 19:33.49 | gemidjy_ | dondelelcaro: |
| 19:33.49 | gemidjy_ | ! Package python-uno (filename archives//python-uno_2.0.4.dfsg.2-5_i386.deb) is repeat; |
| 19:33.49 | gemidjy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.49 | dpkg | that's too long, gemidjy_ |
| 19:33.55 | jelly-home | guysoft22: it's old, and gparted / qtparted have comparable features now |
| 19:33.55 | gemidjy_ | sorry :( |
| 19:34.20 | justin | rgsteele: ooh, what you said is the union, not the intersetion |
| 19:34.23 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
| 19:34.31 | rgsteele | justin: Yeah, and actually, I think I messed up my terminology. |
| 19:34.34 | justin | rgsteele: if they are one per line all you need to so is run the data through sort -u |
| 19:34.34 | rgsteele | Yeah, you got it :) |
| 19:34.43 | dondelelcaro | gemidjy_: yerp. |
| 19:34.51 | dondelelcaro | gemidjy_: that's why I suggested using apt-ftparchive |
| 19:34.57 | jelly-home | guysoft22: probably because gparted doesn't care about partitions being not aligned to cylinder beginnings, while pqmagic does |
| 19:35.00 | gemidjy_ | dondelelcaro: apt-ftparchive will remove duplicates? |
| 19:35.05 | kelsin | rgsteele: rgsteele for intersction you can do uniq -d as well |
| 19:35.09 | gemidjy_ | I need something to remove the duplicates in a folder |
| 19:35.10 | dondelelcaro | gemidjy_: no, it doens't have a problem with duplicates in the first place. |
| 19:35.14 | Optic | ok FYI... TZ changes for Canada are *NOT* in Sarge (bug 409148) |
| 19:35.29 | gemidjy_ | dondelelcaro: but I do :) they are way to "heavy" |
| 19:35.33 | dondelelcaro | gemidjy_: if you want to remove duplicates, just parse the stderr from dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 19:35.50 | gemidjy_ | argh, might work |
| 19:36.04 | rgsteele | Yeah, the data is sorted for efficiency's sake |
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| 19:36.31 | rgsteele | kelsin: dually noted, thank you both. |
| 19:36.34 | justin | rgsteele: then just pipe it to uniq |
| 19:36.36 | PupenoR | Doesn't Debian provide binaries of kernel modules like zaptel? |
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| 19:37.19 | zinx | PupenoR: it provides source packages which can be used with module-assistant for the ones that are open source |
| 19:37.20 | ekimus | PupenoR: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=zaptel&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 19:37.45 | PupenoR | zinx: so, the result of m-a is never inserted in the repos, right? |
| 19:37.57 | zinx | PupenoR: using module-assistant is usually as easy as "m-a a-i <name of module>" |
| 19:38.11 | zinx | PupenoR: i won't say never, but not usually i think |
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| 19:38.24 | jelly-home | PupenoR: some modules are there, some aren't |
| 19:38.38 | PupenoR | zinx: I know, but I am creating my own repo and I was wondering if it was possible for my repo to have these modules, so I don't have to install dev tools on every server. |
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| 19:39.16 | jelly-home | PupenoR: you can put whatever you want in your own repo, of course |
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| 19:39.48 | PupenoR | jelly-home: right, but, do you know how? I am using debarchiver, it expects a .changes file and m-a doesn't generate one. |
| 19:40.24 | jelly-home | PupenoR: don't know about that, I have a simple single-dir repository. |
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| 19:43.41 | tijn_ | what packages do i need to use tomcat? |
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| 19:44.05 | tijn_ | ie, i installed it all as i thought it should work, but what is my JAVA home? |
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| 19:45.24 | zinx | PupenoR: man m-a; SIGNCHANGES |
| 19:45.52 | PupenoR | zinx: thanks! |
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| 19:47.30 | guysoft22 | jelly-home, stragne.. this knoppix install, which is new still has the old gparted |
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| 19:48.18 | guysoft22 | jelly-home, i resized the extended partition. but sda5 wont let me resize is left side |
| 19:48.47 | jelly-home | guysoft22: gparted has their own livecd. |
| 19:48.59 | earthian | what do you think radeon x1950xtx 512M -OR- geforce 8800 gts 320M on debian/windows dual boot? |
| 19:49.38 | jelly-home | guysoft22: it's about 30MB and obviously the latest version |
| 19:50.04 | guysoft22 | but both wont resize |
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| 19:51.03 | tijn_ | i have installed sun-java5-jdk but i cant find where to put the JAVA_HOME |
| 19:51.05 | tijn_ | anyone? |
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| 19:51.19 | Optic | installing http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5_i386.deb *ACTUALLY* fixed my TZ problem :) |
| 19:51.26 | abrotman | tijn_: where to define it ?> |
| 19:51.29 | guysoft22 | qt parted wont resize nether |
| 19:51.37 | tijn_ | abrotman: as JAVA_HOME |
| 19:51.44 | enouf | guysoft22: umount them prior |
| 19:51.48 | tijn_ | iam trying to install Tomcat |
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| 19:51.52 | guysoft22 | jelly-home, could there be a reason it wont move the partition? |
| 19:51.59 | guysoft22 | its all unmounted |
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| 19:52.06 | PupenoR | How can I get a list of all the kernels for which m-a can build modules? |
| 19:52.18 | tijn_ | abrotman: erhm, nevermind, it works suddenly :S |
| 19:52.31 | enouf | no it's not .. or you're trying to resize an unsupported fstype, or move the beginning |
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| 19:53.04 | jelly-home | guysoft22: no idea, does it display a message? |
| 19:53.04 | tijn_ | abrotman: ah sorry no it isnt :S, i installed apache-maven, and this needs a JAVA_HOME |
| 19:53.22 | guysoft22 | no.. it shows locked |
| 19:53.29 | guysoft22 | BTEW gparted is 50 MB |
| 19:53.36 | guysoft22 | its as large as damnsmall .. |
| 19:53.46 | jelly-home | guysoft22: It grew! :-) |
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| 19:55.16 | enouf | !massage gparted |
| 19:55.23 | abrotman | tijn_: good! |
| 19:55.28 | jelly-home | guysoft22: is it mounted? |
| 19:55.50 | tijn_ | abrotman: well, for tomcat, yes :) but apache-maven still needs the JAVA_HOME |
| 19:55.56 | jelly-home | guysoft22: the official channel is #gparted on irc.gnome.org |
| 19:55.57 | guysoft22 | no.. and i also did swapoff -a |
| 19:55.59 | abrotman | put it int he init script |
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| 19:56.12 | guysoft22 | only the cd and the ramfs shows on df |
| 19:56.12 | jelly-home | guysoft22: did you boot from that disk? |
| 19:56.26 | guysoft22 | no, i am on a knoppix livecd |
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| 19:56.30 | jelly-home | guysoft22: no idea |
| 19:56.41 | tijn_ | abrotman: you ment me? |
| 19:56.45 | guysoft22 | when i do fsck /dev/sda i get some odd error |
| 19:56.49 | guysoft22 | it claims its in use |
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| 19:57.06 | jelly-home | guysoft22: /proc/mounts will show you what's really in use |
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| 19:57.19 | jelly-home | guysoft22: also /proc/swaps |
| 19:57.29 | enouf | lsof /dev/sda too |
| 19:57.33 | driver | guys whats the package that holds the mail command? |
| 19:57.35 | jelly-home | enouf: no. |
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| 19:57.43 | enouf | jelly-home: yep |
| 19:57.53 | jelly-home | enouf: try it. |
| 19:57.59 | enouf | just did |
| 19:58.04 | guysoft22 | nothin on /proc/mounts... |
| 19:58.19 | guysoft22 | same in swaps |
| 19:58.22 | jelly-home | enouf: sudo lsof /dev/sda shows nothing, and that's my only disk! |
| 19:58.38 | guysoft22 | and nothing on lsof |
| 19:58.43 | enouf | jelly-home: ermm .. typo on the partition .. lsof /dev/sda5 |
| 19:59.10 | jelly-home | guysoft22: dunno, try a newer {g,qt}parted |
| 19:59.38 | guysoft22 | it downloaded now.. ill burn it |
| 19:59.41 | enouf | guysoft22: what fstype is sda5? |
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| 20:01.53 | imgrey | stew, could you please take a look at http://62.2.177.13/stuff/ufo2k_0.7/ again ? |
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| 20:03.12 | PupenoR | Any ideas why this line: "m-a --text-mode --verbose --userdir=. --kvers-list=2.6-386,2.6-486,2.6-686,2.6-686-smp,2.6-k7,2.6-k7-smp,2.6.8-2-386,2.6.8-2-686,2.6.8-2-686-smp,2.6.8-2-k7,2.6.8-2-k7-smp,2.6.8-3-386,2.6.8-3-686,2.6.8-3-686-smp,2.6.8-3-k7,2.6.8-3-k7-smp build zaptel" doesn't build the zaptel module for all those kernels? |
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| 20:03.47 | stew | imgrey: why are you packaging libdumb, its already in debian |
| 20:03.49 | guysoft22 | ext3 |
| 20:04.01 | guysoft22 | ext3 logical.. in an extended |
| 20:04.01 | PupenoR | driver: apt-file may help you find that. |
| 20:04.05 | enouf | PupenoR: don't know, but can't you lump that list into a file for input? |
| 20:04.19 | PupenoR | enouf: what? |
| 20:04.25 | imgrey | stew, i cant find sid repositary with it |
| 20:04.25 | driver | thanx PupenoR i sorted it. |
| 20:04.35 | stew | !info libdumb1 sid |
| 20:04.41 | imgrey | stew, btw, i didnt make package, just apt-get source |
| 20:04.42 | dpkg | libdumb1: (dynamic universal music bibliotheque), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:0.9.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 199 kB, Installed size: 484 kB |
| 20:04.57 | stew | imgrey: what exactly are you asking me to look at then? |
| 20:05.05 | Arnald | any news/info about Xorg breakage in etch/amd64? |
| 20:05.12 | |capiira | hmm whats a good easy spam solution ? |
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| 20:05.52 | imgrey | stew, i'm still going to package ufo2000 for debian. i would like to know if it is in proper state |
| 20:06.02 | tijn_ | |capiira: spamassassin (or no internet ;D) |
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| 20:06.21 | PupenoR | |capiira: I like bogofilter. |
| 20:06.27 | |capiira | yeah im running spamassassin but i stil get all spams |
| 20:06.38 | PupenoR | |capiira: but on the client, not on the server. |
| 20:06.43 | stew | imgrey: where is the packaging? that url only shows .debs no no .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz, .dsc |
| 20:06.50 | |capiira | yeah i want for client too |
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| 20:06.52 | stew | s/no no/no/ |
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| 20:06.56 | abrotman | !tell imgrey about mg |
| 20:07.08 | PupenoR | |capiira: I am quite happy with bogofilter on the client. |
| 20:07.09 | tijn_ | |capiira: well, do you use URIBL? |
| 20:07.26 | karsten | Slightly OT: how would I set a fold in vim based on a pattern (much 'ps' output, I want to eliminate known users). |
| 20:07.28 | |capiira | hehe hwats that? |
| 20:07.32 | |capiira | whats |
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| 20:07.40 | tijn_ | URIBL, wait ill find a link |
| 20:07.44 | |capiira | uribl never heard |
| 20:07.52 | |capiira | im on kde or gnome |
| 20:07.56 | karsten | |capiira: bogofilter == bayes-based spam filter. |
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| 20:07.58 | |capiira | evolution or kmail |
| 20:07.59 | karsten | !bogofilter |
| 20:07.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, bogofilter is a Bayesian spam filter. to be found at bogofilter.sf.net or in the package bogofilter. |
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| 20:08.19 | Elias1 | Hi, what "Setting up Alsa....done (not loaded)" means exactly? and how do I setup sound to work? (it works without problem in Knoppix) eh? |
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| 20:08.21 | tijn_ | |capiira: http://www.uribl.com/about.shtml |
| 20:08.24 | |capiira | what does that mean bayes based? |
| 20:08.37 | karsten | |capiira: GIYF |
| 20:08.38 | guysoft22 | yay, the cd lets me |
| 20:08.44 | karsten | !GIYF |
| 20:08.44 | dpkg | from memory, giyf is Google Is Your Friend |
| 20:08.46 | guysoft22 | it also lets me extend the swap partition |
| 20:08.47 | jelly-home | |capiira: for an end user, it means you have to train it. |
| 20:08.50 | PupenoR | kmail integrates bogofilter nicely, that is what I use. |
| 20:08.59 | tijn_ | ah, you want a client |
| 20:09.02 | tijn_ | thingie |
| 20:09.13 | |capiira | ahh ok spamassassin also needs to be trained or not ? |
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| 20:09.24 | PupenoR | |capiira: most need to be trained. |
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| 20:09.27 | karsten | |capiira: bayesian statistics. Inferance from a known (a priori) knowledgebase. Eg: you tell it what looks like spam, and it figures out what looks like spam. |
| 20:09.40 | Elias1 | Please pay attention to my question, thank you |
| 20:09.45 | |capiira | ahh ok |
| 20:09.46 | karsten | |capiira: spamassassin also has a bayesian classifier. That part of SA needs to be trained. |
| 20:09.52 | enouf | PupenoR: you ran m-a prepare prior? |
| 20:09.57 | |capiira | ahh ok :) |
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| 20:10.09 | simonrvn | infer*nce |
| 20:10.12 | karsten | Elias1: We *are* paying attention to your question. It's the answer we're ignoring. |
| 20:10.15 | |capiira | then let me try that bogo thing becuase spamassassin is not really working |
| 20:10.15 | stew | Elias1: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 20:10.18 | PupenoR | enouf: yes, with the same kernel list, it only downloaded 2.6.8-386 |
| 20:10.45 | |capiira | THX! |
| 20:10.52 | PupenoR | |capiira: give it some time to be properly trained, a couple of weeks at least. |
| 20:11.07 | |capiira | but how to i train it ? |
| 20:11.14 | karsten | PupenoR: Not hardly. |
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| 20:11.24 | karsten | |capiira: Well, you could RTFM. |
| 20:11.24 | Harzilein | |capiira: you put your spam in a separate folder and feed that to it |
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| 20:11.42 | |capiira | thanks |
| 20:11.57 | PupenoR | |capiira: with kmail, you have two buttons: mark as spam, mark as ham. After you configure bogofilter as your spam solution (with the wizzard), you just use those buttons and that's it. |
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| 20:12.09 | |capiira | super |
| 20:12.17 | |capiira | then let me install that bogofilter |
| 20:12.20 | karsten | |capiira: ... about 300 messages is what it takes for basic resolution. Basically: you manually sort through yoru first day's mail, decide what is or isn't spam. Tell SA / bogofilter this (how you do that varies, many email clients now have this functionality in them). |
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| 20:12.22 | enouf | PupenoR: my other thought had to do with some possible command line amount limitation .. but nm about that I guess .. |
| 20:12.25 | simonrvn | inference |
| 20:12.38 | PupenoR | |capiira: In Kmail start with Tool->Anti-Spam Wizard. |
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| 20:12.47 | karsten | |capiira: After that point the classifier's got enough data to pretty much do The Right Thing on its own. |
| 20:12.51 | PupenoR | enouf: I doubt that's the problem. |
| 20:12.55 | enouf | PupenoR: you realize you list contains so-called mata-pkgs (transitional) AFAICT |
| 20:13.08 | |capiira | nice thanks a lot |
| 20:13.26 | karsten | |capiira: Alternatively you can generally run the fitler clients themselves against a mailbox of spam / ham. Note that you want to show it *both* spam and ham (non-spam) mail. |
| 20:13.38 | karsten | |capiira: ... otherwise it doesn't know what you _like_. |
| 20:13.48 | |capiira | oh yes true |
| 20:15.38 | PupenoR | enouf: "m-a --text-mode --kvers-list=2.6-386,2.6-686 prepare" doesn't even try to install 2.6-686, only 2.6-386 |
| 20:15.51 | enouf | PupenoR: IOW use 2.6.8-3-386 instead |
| 20:16.14 | PupenoR | enouf: and "m-a --text-mode --kvers-list=2.6-686,2.6-386 prepare" tries to install kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 20:16.37 | enouf | PupenoR: well without source you need headers AFAIK |
| 20:16.49 | PupenoR | enouf: mh? |
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| 20:17.08 | PupenoR | enouf: what I am trying to say is that it doesn't read the whole list, only the first one. |
| 20:17.28 | laidback_01 | hey, is there a way to force debian to keep certain packages around? I've installed a deb that had a dependencie a while back on some perl module Ident, I think and dselect is upgrading that. anyway it wants to dump this package, and I'd rather keep it, there is no upgrade available for the custom package. |
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| 20:18.01 | stew | laidback_01: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 20:18.29 | karsten | laidback_01: hold. |
| 20:18.37 | jelly-home | is there a way to find out the number of directory entries in a directory without enumerating them? ls might be too slow with 10-100k files in a dir |
| 20:18.55 | abrotman | ls | wc -l |
| 20:19.00 | Vasistha | g'day all. I'm trying to get this naughty wireless pcmcia card working again ... am stuck at: make: *** No rule to make target `/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-scooter/build/.config'. Stop. |
| 20:19.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: NO LS. |
| 20:19.18 | abrotman | echo * | wc -l :) |
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| 20:19.42 | krazykit | Vasistha, what card? |
| 20:19.43 | stew | $ echo /etc/* | wc -l |
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| 20:19.44 | stew | 1 |
| 20:20.01 | abrotman | oh .. it doesn't put a \n in .. damn |
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| 20:20.06 | krazykit | Vasistha, it looks like you didn't run ./configure or something |
| 20:20.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: no * either, maybe "without enumerating them" wasn't clear enough |
| 20:20.18 | Vasistha | krazykit: it's an rtl8180 based card. I had it working with 2.6.8 ... will try configure! |
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| 20:20.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: you're no fun! |
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| 20:20.35 | stew | and i definately have more than one file in /etc ;) |
| 20:21.00 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:21.09 | HardDisk_WP | how can I force the HFS+ driver to mount a drive? |
| 20:21.15 | HardDisk_WP | hfs: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended. mounting read-only. |
| 20:21.15 | jelly-home | stew: and if some have whitespace in their names, even echo * | wc -w won't work correctly |
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| 20:21.26 | abrotman | it already doesn't work .. no \n |
| 20:21.27 | HardDisk_WP | BUt fsck.hfsplus dont exist here |
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| 20:21.44 | Vasistha | jelly-home: this will be slow: for i in *; do echo $i; done | wc |
| 20:21.55 | abrotman | he used a *!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:22.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: i said WC -W <--- double-you ;-) |
| 20:22.11 | abrotman | jelly-home: cheater! |
| 20:22.17 | jelly-home | Vasistha: thanks ;-) |
| 20:22.39 | Vasistha | hum, that would be a case where I would say use "u" rather than "you" :-) |
| 20:22.39 | jelly-home | !u |
| 20:22.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:22.39 | HardDisk_WP | anyone? |
| 20:22.44 | HardDisk_WP | it's urgent :( |
| 20:22.50 | abrotman | foreigner! |
| 20:22.52 | Vasistha | yeah, see -- "U" is a letter -- as in double-u |
| 20:23.04 | jelly-home | Vasistha: I know! |
| 20:23.20 | abrotman | !find fsck.hfsplus sarge |
| 20:23.32 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'fsck.hfsplus' returned no results. |
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| 20:23.36 | abrotman | failed! |
| 20:23.40 | Vasistha | HardDisk_WP: do you absolutely need to mount it read-write? I guess you wouldn't be here otherwise... |
| 20:23.41 | enouf | <guysoft22> ext3 logical.. in an extended .. if you have blocks directly starting at the end of this partition (either a Primary or Logical partition) you won't be able to move/resize this, wsince you'd also have to move the beginning of whatever other partition blocks (and therefore it's bootsector) out of the way (relocate) .. not good |
| 20:23.43 | eeyore- | jelly-home: how can you "not enumerate"? |
| 20:23.46 | HardDisk_WP | Vasistha, yes... |
| 20:23.58 | HardDisk_WP | !find fsck.hfsplus etch |
| 20:23.59 | jelly-home | eeyore-: stat() maybe |
| 20:24.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm voting for ls | wc -l :) |
| 20:24.10 | eeyore- | jelly-home: even if you wrote a C program opendir() and scandir() you still enumerate |
| 20:24.14 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'fsck.hfsplus' returned no results. |
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| 20:24.30 | Vasistha | HardDisk_WP: there might be some kind of hfs tools package |
| 20:24.50 | krazykit | hfsutils in etch |
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| 20:25.02 | peterS | eeyore-: by scandir I suppose you mean readdir.. |
| 20:25.03 | HardDisk_WP | Vasistha, I have this... |
| 20:25.06 | HardDisk_WP | !find fsck.hfs etch |
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| 20:25.24 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'fsck.hfs' returned no results. |
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| 20:25.36 | eeyore- | peterrus_A: right ;-) |
| 20:25.38 | HardDisk_WP | Vasistha, but see this...it dont exist |
| 20:25.46 | Vasistha | HardDisk_WP: yeah, hfsplus and hfsutils, and also there's a number of hfs-modules packages |
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| 20:25.51 | peterS | eeyore-: I mean ... scandir does exist, but for this problem readdir seems more appropriate. maybe you did say scandir on purpose though |
| 20:25.57 | peterrus_A | eeyore-, lol |
| 20:26.12 | eeyore- | nah, scandir would callback, no? |
| 20:26.35 | HardDisk_WP | hpfsck: hpfsck: error writing to medium (Bad file descriptor) |
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| 20:27.02 | jelly-home | eeyore-: well, there might be zillions of created files in there (which is, incidentally, the situation I want to know about), so it would be slow... especially since the service is currently on UFS and not ext3 w/ dir_index or something sensible |
| 20:27.17 | peterS | yes, scandir operates on a callback basis |
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| 20:27.33 | smop` | hola |
| 20:27.45 | peterS | smop`: are you a Simple Matter Of Programming? |
| 20:27.52 | smop` | yeah |
| 20:27.55 | eeyore- | jelly-home: if you want to avoid enumerating, and you can live with fuzziness, maybe you can take the directory size and divide by <x> to get a guesstimate number of entries? |
| 20:28.01 | Spec | for the upcoming DST change in the states, what version of tzdata contains the proper fixes? |
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| 20:28.13 | smop` | peterS ;) |
| 20:28.17 | Vasistha | krazykit: the thing doesn't seem to have a configure script :P What I'm suspicious of here ... see, I have to run a custom kernel on this machine, because it just won't boot a stock kernel. The machine is slow, so I compiled the custom kernel on a faster machine. And I'm wondering if *this* machine needs to have some of that kernel-compiling-stuff on it in order to compile the module |
| 20:28.36 | krazykit | Vasistha, just the headers |
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| 20:28.59 | jelly-home | eeyore-: unfortunately directories on ext3 are not shrunk when the files are removed |
| 20:29.24 | eeyore- | jelly-home: right, so it could be very wrong, but hey, that's all i can think of |
| 20:30.06 | Vasistha | krazykit: alright ... I did install those, and since I did an --append_to_version, I also did: ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4 /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-scooter/build |
| 20:30.07 | eeyore- | jelly-home: so the size of directory would at best indicate how many entries it had at most, at one time |
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| 20:30.33 | Vasistha | krazykit: ...but the linux headers directory doesn't have a .config file in it ... and I'm not sure how to go about creating it |
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| 20:31.08 | smop` | I'm trying to setting up a Windows driver using ndiswrapper. Running m-i a-i ndiswrapper i get problems about kernel-headers but it's already installed. Should i just install linux-headers or what? |
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| 20:31.39 | stew | smop`: try running "m-a prepare" |
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| 20:32.10 | smop` | eh |
| 20:32.13 | smop` | stew: E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:32.21 | krazykit | Vasistha, do you have the link to the driver tarball? i wanna see what's in that dir |
| 20:32.32 | smop` | but that package is not in the mirror. |
| 20:32.58 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/1/hpfsck.html |
| 20:33.15 | Vasistha | krazykit: I have a link to a cvs repository ... the driver homepage is here: http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ and the cvs repository is here: cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rtl8180-sa2400 |
| 20:33.17 | stew | smop`: you should upgrade to 2.6.8-3 which is a security patch to 2.6.8-2 |
| 20:33.18 | stew | !find kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 sarge |
| 20:33.23 | bahadunn | bleh |
| 20:33.29 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386' returned no results. |
| 20:33.31 | krazykit | Vasistha, oh, you pulled it from cvs then? |
| 20:33.32 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: install hfsutils and hfsplus packages |
| 20:33.37 | smop` | stew: i'm on etch |
| 20:33.48 | Vasistha | krazykit: yeah, it's supposedly the only one that works. And I had it working with 2.6.8 |
| 20:33.55 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, I have them. And hfsck gives debian:~/diskdev_cmds-332.14# hpfsck /dev/sda1 |
| 20:33.55 | HardDisk_WP | *** Checking Volume Header: |
| 20:33.56 | HardDisk_WP | Volume was not cleanly unmounted |
| 20:33.56 | HardDisk_WP | Volume is inconsistent |
| 20:33.56 | HardDisk_WP | Invalid total blocks 4C4C1F, expected 0 Done *** |
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| 20:34.01 | stew | smop`: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:34.03 | HardDisk_WP | Unexpected Volume signature ' ' expected 'H+' |
| 20:34.06 | HardDisk_WP | hpfsck: hpfsck: error writing to medium (Bad file descriptor) |
| 20:34.09 | stew | HardDisk_WP: stop |
| 20:34.13 | stew | !tell HardDisk_WP about paste |
| 20:34.18 | smop` | stew: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:34.22 | stew | smop`: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 20:34.39 | HardDisk_WP | stew, sry, forgot about the pastebin... |
| 20:34.41 | yomm | on a P4 775 3Ghz hyperthreading , should I select the 2.6.8 686 smp kernel ? |
| 20:34.50 | smop` | stew: ok, THX |
| 20:35.01 | justin | HardDisk_WP: are you sure /dev/sda1 is the right partition? |
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| 20:35.06 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: I always found foreign filesystems were best checked by their respective OS tools |
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| 20:35.18 | Vasistha | krazykit: hum, you know, I'm looking around the net and I'm seeing mentions of a compiling bug with kernel 2.6.17 ... so I'm starting to wonder if I need to get a newer version of the driver that someone has fixed |
| 20:35.28 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, I have next access to a Mac tomorrow and thats too late... |
| 20:35.36 | HardDisk_WP | justin, yes. http://channels.debian.net/paste/5574 |
| 20:35.39 | imgrey | in which cases dpkg-buildpackage creates .orig ? |
| 20:35.43 | HardDisk_WP | stew, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5574 |
| 20:35.57 | stew | imgrey: none, you create it |
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| 20:38.05 | imgrey | stew, so it supposed to be like that: make generates .orig, then dpkg-buildpackage will clean, patch, build and package it ? |
| 20:38.56 | tvynr | I am having a bit of a perplexing problem with fakechrooting into a directory I've prepared. Using "fakeroot fakechroot /usr/sbin/chroot $DIR" I can get into the root... but I don't seem to have any networking functionality. I can't resolve hostnames (despite /etc/resolv.conf being set up properly) and I can't ping. Why is this? |
| 20:38.58 | imgrey | and produce .diff somehow |
| 20:39.50 | smop` | reboot |
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| 20:40.06 | Vasistha | krazykit: ahh, here's a non-cvs download: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/rtl8180-0.22_pre20050528.tar.bz2 I downloaded this and did a diff, and it is the same as the one I've been using. |
| 20:40.30 | stew | imgrey: no, .orig is the tarball you downloaded from the upstream authors, renamed as $packagename_upstreamversion.orig.tar.gz (it would have to be rezipped if it was a .tar.bz2). dpkg-source (called from dpkg-buildpackage) uses this .orig.tar.gz to diff against to create the .diff.gz |
| 20:40.48 | imgrey | stew, but i exported it from svn |
| 20:40.51 | abrotman | !beer stew for trying |
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| 20:41.25 | HardDisk_WP | LOOOOOOL |
| 20:41.25 | krazykit | Vasistha, i get the same make error |
| 20:41.25 | stew | imgrey: then create a .orig.tar.gz that matches exactly what you pulled form svn (with non-distributable portions removed) |
| 20:41.30 | krazykit | even though INSTALL says to just run make |
| 20:41.32 | HardDisk_WP | did a german code dpkg? xD |
| 20:41.50 | abrotman | eh .. he gives out all kinds of beer |
| 20:42.04 | imgrey | stew, but it is impossible to build exported from svn source. |
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| 20:42.19 | stew | imgrey: what do you mean? |
| 20:42.35 | Vasistha | krazykit: interesting. And I gather you're in a position to know whether your system is properly configured to make modules ... unlike myself! |
| 20:42.54 | imgrey | stew, i was editing makefile and stuff before building |
| 20:42.57 | krazykit | Vasistha, i can definitely compile modules. |
| 20:43.16 | imgrey | stew, what the point of producing .orig when it useless |
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| 20:43.32 | stew | imgrey: becuase it is needed to create the .diff.gz |
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| 20:44.15 | Vasistha | krazykit: ...and it used to work, as-is, with 2.6.8 ... but of course, at that time, my system was configured somewhat differently, since I actually did the 4-hour kernel compilation on this machine :P |
| 20:44.34 | stew | imgrey: and that way, if you make a new revision to your package, only a new .diff.gz needs to be redistributed everywhere (since the .orig.tar.gz doesn't change) |
| 20:44.46 | imgrey | stew, tnx. seems i got it |
| 20:45.22 | stew | imgrey: you'll want to use "svn export" to extract stuff from svn without the .svn directories |
| 20:45.47 | HardDisk_WP | !beer |
| 20:45.47 | dpkg | well, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 20:45.49 | krazykit | Vasistha, unfortunately, my make-fu sucks. if a Makefile is broken, I just have to hope google can fix it. i'm running 2.6.19, which isn't horribly different than 2.6.18 |
| 20:45.54 | HardDisk_WP | !give me a beer |
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| 20:45.59 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
| 20:46.08 | HardDisk_WP | !give me two beer |
| 20:46.09 | laidback_01 | well.. I must say aptitude is a fair bit different than dselect. have used dselect for a long time, but since I needed that hold feature, I had to try aptitude. It has a pleasant interface. thanks for all the good work debian people. |
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| 20:46.11 | abrotman | !beer HardDisk_WP |
| 20:46.15 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: done now ? |
| 20:46.17 | HardDisk_WP | hehe |
| 20:46.17 | wols | !botabuse |
| 20:46.18 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 20:46.29 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: try #debian-bots or /msg |
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| 20:47.38 | enouf | jelly-home: out of curiousity, is a sudo find /etc/* -name "*" -type d | wc -l effective at all .. or does that also "enumerate"? |
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| 20:48.23 | peterS | enouf: 'find -type d' optimises the enumerations away in certain cases. if a directory contains no subdirectories, find can detect this without reading the directory |
| 20:48.24 | jelly-home | enouf: looking at each one = enumerating |
| 20:48.45 | peterS | enouf: hint: the number of subdirectories in a directory is reflected in the hard link count of that directory. find knows this. |
| 20:48.47 | enouf | jelly-home: I only ask, because i read recently (somewhere) that using -name before -type makes find operate much faster |
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| 20:48.55 | jelly-home | enouf: but I need to count files, not dirs :-| |
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| 20:49.07 | enouf | jelly-home: oh .. duh .. ok .. my bad |
| 20:49.14 | enouf | peterS: reading |
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| 20:50.04 | peterS | enouf: so for example: "drwxr-xr-x 2 ps ps 4096 Mar 10 2006 admin" - no subdirectories, since the link count is 2. "drwxr-xr-x 4 ps ps 4096 Dec 18 04:08 client" - 2 subdirectories, since the link count is 4. |
| 20:50.18 | jelly-home | echo *|wc -w -> 50626 |
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| 20:50.33 | enouf | peterS: right .. and that info is in the inode of the PWD .. yes? .. I think i gotcha |
| 20:51.04 | krazykit | Vasistha, ok, it's doing something weird. |
| 20:51.20 | Vasistha | krazykit: I concur :-) |
| 20:51.30 | peterS | enouf: right, find just has to stat("/the/dir/it/is/looking/at") and check the link count - if it is 2, and find is only looking for -type d, it doesn't bother to recurse into the directory. if it is 4, find will opendir() and readdir() for awhile but once it has found 2 subdirectories it can stop scanning |
| 20:51.37 | imgrey | stew, btw, the only purpose of patches/* is to give user choice : patching or not ? |
| 20:51.44 | krazykit | Vasistha, it LOOKS like it's moving all the files somewhere and then "losing" them |
| 20:51.48 | stew | imgrey: debian/patches? |
| 20:51.50 | jelly-home | peterS: only, some filesystems break that assumption (sshfs) |
| 20:51.55 | imgrey | stew, yes |
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| 20:52.11 | enouf | peterS: ahhh .. gotcha .. only asts recursively if link count is greater than 2 |
| 20:52.19 | enouf | s/astc/acts |
| 20:52.19 | peterS | jelly-home: right, the classic example that caused problems for find is afs, possibly some FUSE filesystems break it too, if the author was lazy |
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| 20:52.34 | Vasistha | krazykit: yeah, that certainly is strange. I can only marvel at how you could have figured that out ... and I'm grateful for your knowledgable investigation! |
| 20:52.38 | jelly-home | peterS: truly, sshfs is FUSE-based |
| 20:52.44 | peterS | enouf: with "-type d", yes. obviously if it's looking for anything other than -type d, it still has to scan |
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| 20:52.56 | krazykit | Vasistha, i'm putting off writing a paper. anything for procrastination ;-) |
| 20:53.08 | Vasistha | haha |
| 20:53.13 | enouf | peterS: ok .. so -type f would be out of the question anyways for jelly-home 's situation |
| 20:53.33 | peterS | enouf: yeah, there's no way to know how many files are in a directory without actually scanning the whole thing |
| 20:53.35 | Vasistha | krazykit: let me know if I can help with your paper later ;-) e.g. a proof-read ... if you get it done in time for that! |
| 20:53.56 | krazykit | Vasistha, pff, it'll be at like 4am US eastern time |
| 20:53.58 | stew | imgrey: they will be a set of patches made by the debian maintainer containing all of the changes to the upstream source. this way, the .diff.gz will only contain files in the debian directory. usually these patches will be maintained by a specialized tool such as dpatch, quilt, cdbs, dbs... |
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| 20:54.18 | enouf | peterS: hrm .. that info is not even in the -inames option ? .. goes scanning the find labriynth manpage |
| 20:54.24 | peterS | enouf: unless of course you happen to have a priori knowledge about the filename pattern. for example, /some/subversion/repo/db/revs/ filenames will be integers from 1 to N where N is the newest revision of the repository. so in that case you could know there will be N files |
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| 20:54.50 | enouf | peterS: aha .. yep .. makes sense |
| 20:55.07 | imgrey | stew, thatk you. i was unable to find that on my own |
| 20:55.52 | enouf | like our /etc/rc..d/* files .. even though there are a few in there not using S, nor K as 1st character |
| 20:56.37 | enouf | erm .. /rc?.d/ and /init.d/ I meant ;-) |
| 20:56.50 | unlink | how on earth is gaim using 206 MB of virtual memory? |
| 20:57.13 | kingsley | I suggest including instructions in the channel's topic that explain how check if a debian installation is ready to use the new daylight savings time rules on March 11th. See http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6300294422.html |
| 20:57.23 | stew | imgrey: you'll see that the libdumb packaging uses quilt for the patches directory in debian/rules |
| 20:57.42 | asg | unlink: it's a gtk app. It also may have requested lots for later use. |
| 20:58.16 | unlink | asg: other gtk apps are using much less |
| 20:58.33 | asg | kingsley: no need to since properly updated systems are covered. |
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| 20:59.17 | enouf | hahaha .. a "sudo find /usr/* -name "*" -type f | wc -l" is still going .. it's been about 45 secs already .. ouch |
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| 20:59.46 | stew | find /usr/* ? how can that be valid? |
| 20:59.55 | kingsley | asg: I suppose we may find out on March 11th how many are "properly updated". |
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| 21:00.09 | enouf | dunno .. but just finished with --> 102707 |
| 21:00.11 | justin | 'find /usr/* -name "*"' == 'find /usr' |
| 21:00.21 | asg | kingsley: to be fair, the people that aren't covered are also the people that don't read the /topic anyway. |
| 21:00.24 | unlink | takes 14 seconds here |
| 21:00.25 | enouf | right .. |
| 21:00.37 | enouf | unlink: older pII :-P |
| 21:00.59 | enouf | unlink: felt like ~60 sec anyways |
| 21:01.00 | stew | i didn't know find could take multiple directories to search in as arguments. i thougt it was only 1 or 0 directories |
| 21:01.27 | unlink | stew: 0 directories is a GNU extension. |
| 21:01.41 | dkr | kingsley: I made a factoid for dst change, btw. /msg dpkg dst change |
| 21:01.45 | enouf | stew: I don't think you can . leemmee see here .. IOW what justin said may be right .. I only really searched /usr .. not all SubDirs as well .. dunno |
| 21:01.49 | stew | unlink: sure, i didn't know multiple was possible was more my point |
| 21:01.53 | unlink | stew: and it doesn't need to be directories |
| 21:01.56 | stew | enouf: /usr/* is multiple directories |
| 21:02.00 | dkr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:02.20 | krazykit | Vasistha, i can't figure out why it deletes all the files in that dir when I run make :-/ |
| 21:02.30 | unlink | enouf: the shell expands /usr/* to /usr/X11R6 /usr/bin /usr/games... |
| 21:02.35 | krazykit | this irritates me. |
| 21:02.36 | unlink | enouf: typ echo /usr/* to see what i mean |
| 21:02.39 | Vasistha | krazykit: which dir, the build directory? |
| 21:02.41 | kingsley | dkr: Thanks. That looks fine. |
| 21:03.09 | krazykit | Vasistha, yup. |
| 21:03.29 | dkr | also fixed the DST factoid which - yesterday - still said US sprang forward in april. :) |
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| 21:03.52 | krazykit | Vasistha, i get the same problem with the "stable" release |
| 21:03.53 | enouf | unlink: I see .. I thought so .. but wasn't sure .. thinking find operates recursively, but ... |
| 21:04.04 | unlink | enouf: it does |
| 21:04.28 | Vasistha | krazykit: being the 0.21? I think that one only works for 2.4 kernels... I used to use that before I upgraded to 2.6.8 |
| 21:05.13 | krazykit | oh. well still |
| 21:05.25 | krazykit | it shouldn't clear the directory. should just dump an error |
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| 21:06.48 | Zeug | how can i change my locale temporarily? |
| 21:06.53 | Vasistha | krazykit: when I touch .config in the linux headers directory... that empty file doesn't get deleted. So I'm not sure what you're referring to :P |
| 21:07.08 | Zeug | id like to write a script to run one of my apps in a diffferent locale |
| 21:07.19 | enouf | justin: oh .. you were saying I was reduntant with my synatx .. since find /usr ..is the same as.. find /usr/* -name "*" .. I'm just getting used to making sure I dot my "i"s and cross my "t"s since it's all fairly new yet ;-) |
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| 21:07.23 | krazykit | Vasistha, when i enter the rtl directory, then run make, everything in rtl gets wiped |
| 21:07.28 | asg | Zeug: LANG=<local> /stuff/to/run |
| 21:08.00 | Zeug | asg, thanks, it worked |
| 21:08.42 | Vasistha | krazykit: that's strange, I don't see that behavior :P |
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| 21:09.04 | Vasistha | krazykit: or, by "everything" do you mean modules that might have been compiled? |
| 21:09.23 | krazykit | no, i mean it tries to rm rtl8180/* |
| 21:09.44 | krazykit | using make 3.81 |
| 21:09.51 | Vasistha | gosh, that's weird... I'm not getting that at all. |
| 21:10.12 | Vasistha | I've also got make 3.81, assumably we're both running etch |
| 21:10.25 | krazykit | sid >_> |
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| 21:10.56 | krazykit | have you considered just using ndiswrapper as a stop-gap solution? |
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| 21:13.15 | Zaggynl^Laptop | Hi, I'm having trouble getting conky to draw over my desktop, I use fluxbox and rox --pinboard=Default |
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| 21:13.58 | Vasistha | krazykit: I tried that before, but I was never able to get that driver working. The driver authors haven't really kept it up-to-date for modern kernels. |
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| 21:14.57 | krazykit | Vasistha, bug the devs :-P |
| 21:15.07 | earthian | i've got a .eml file which contains jpegs in base64 encoding, any way i can save them and have them come out meaningfully? |
| 21:15.12 | Vasistha | krazykit: I'm looking at other options, though ... trying to figure out if the http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ driver is appropriate for my card |
| 21:15.34 | wols | Vasistha: lspci will tell |
| 21:15.36 | krazykit | Vasistha, those're good drivers. in module-assistant, too, iirc. |
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| 21:15.46 | Vasistha | krazykit: honestly, I'm beginning to think I should just go buy another card with a prism chipset :P |
| 21:16.11 | krazykit | Vasistha, or atheros, or ralink |
| 21:16.12 | wols | took a wile for my acx but it works fine now. so prism2 is not needed |
| 21:16.17 | wols | he has a ralink |
| 21:16.22 | wols | at least this driver is for one |
| 21:16.27 | Vasistha | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC (rev 20) |
| 21:16.34 | krazykit | see, it's not ralink. |
| 21:16.40 | wols | that's a 8180 which is part of the kernel |
| 21:16.49 | wols | yes, but then this driver he linked is not for him |
| 21:17.56 | Vasistha | I got the rt2x00 linke here... a dubious suggestion at best... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=447424 |
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| 21:18.27 | eeyore- | Vasistha: uh, why are you looking for RaLink drivers for your Realtek chip? |
| 21:19.18 | eeyore- | (or atheros, or ipw*) |
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| 21:19.26 | Vasistha | eeyore-: because someone else said that it worked for them. Like I said, the suggestion was somewhat dubious. It's not as if that's the only avenue I've explored. |
| 21:19.46 | wols | Vasistha: http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:19.48 | yellowbugs | i'm trying to install (using the windows installer) on an old laptop, but it hard freezes at "detecting disks and all other hardware"... is there a safe installer i can use somehow? |
| 21:20.00 | Vasistha | wols: yeah, krazykit and I have been struggling with that for the last hour! |
| 21:20.06 | eeyore- | Vasistha: weird. i don't see why you even need to explore THAT avenue. it's like exploring whether jumping off cliff will get you killed ... |
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| 21:20.54 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 21:20.57 | Vasistha | eeyore-: someone else said it worked... so I spent a small amount of time looking into it. I gave it due diligence perhaps because of my own ignorance in the matter of chipsets. |
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| 21:21.25 | Vasistha | eeyore-: do you require any more self-depracation or should I just leave? :P |
| 21:21.42 | eeyore- | Vasistha: no, but, doesn't the realtek driver work? |
| 21:22.02 | Vasistha | eeyore-: it won't compile... |
| 21:22.02 | wols | Vasistha: your PCMCIA interface works well? |
| 21:22.09 | eeyore- | Vasistha: because? |
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| 21:22.36 | smop` | hola |
| 21:22.59 | Vasistha | wols: well, cardctl ident is saying no product info available, which is weird. I'm wondering if etch uses some alternate pcmci tools ... I already encountered /etc/init.d/pcmciautils which is new to me |
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| 21:23.27 | wols | if you get it in lspci it should be fine actually |
| 21:23.32 | Vasistha | eeyore-: make: *** No rule to make target `/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-scooter/build/.config'. Stop. |
| 21:23.51 | wols | .config is made via menuconfig |
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| 21:24.04 | eeyore- | Vasistha: that means you forgot to compile the kernel |
| 21:24.13 | wols | you sure this river isn't supposed to be included in a kernel tree (patched in)? |
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| 21:24.30 | JohnPhera | how do I check my motherboard model via linux ? |
| 21:24.33 | smop` | brb |
| 21:24.35 | wols | didn't see the base dir |
| 21:24.44 | Guerin | JohnPhera: eyeometer |
| 21:24.45 | eeyore- | JohnPhera: generally not. but, if you're lucky, maybe try "dmidecode" |
| 21:24.56 | Vasistha | eeyore-: well, I compiled the kernel on a different machine, using kpkg, and installed it on this machine. I wish I could run a debian stock kernel, but it won't boot due to a small bug :P |
| 21:25.17 | wols | Vasistha: there is a config file in /boot. copy that as .config in the needed directory |
| 21:25.27 | wols | and also install the kernel headers for the kernel you compiled |
| 21:25.33 | Vasistha | eeyore-: although the .config file referred to is in the linux headers directory, not the linux source directory ... but should it be the same? |
| 21:25.35 | eeyore- | Vasistha: well, compile kernel on the same machine you're going to compile the realtek driver, then? |
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| 21:25.47 | wols | eeyore-: not needed |
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| 21:25.59 | eeyore- | Vasistha: /lib/modules/*/build -> symlink to kernel source directory |
| 21:26.06 | debian | û |
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| 21:26.13 | wols | Vasistha: also, look into distcc for kernel compiles |
| 21:26.22 | Vasistha | eeyore-: oh, it should link to kernel source, rather than kernel headers directory? I'll try that, thanks... |
| 21:26.23 | debian | âî áëèí |
| 21:26.45 | eeyore- | wols: KISS |
| 21:26.56 | Vasistha | wols: well, I've got a 300 MHz machine and a 1.8 GHz machine ... so I just compile on the 1.8 GHz machine ;-) |
| 21:27.01 | eeyore- | wols: what works for you and me probably won't work for vasistha |
| 21:27.07 | wols | Vasistha: same here. distcc :) |
| 21:27.13 | eeyore- | geez |
| 21:27.20 | wols | or you compile the driver also on the 1.8GHz machine. that works just as well |
| 21:27.21 | eeyore- | mix the issues why don't you |
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| 21:27.34 | Fox_1_ | i have a problem with network. I have installed debian etch. during the installation i was configure the network. after installation my network works good. but after first restart it's doesn't work. ifconfig write right things route too, but when i ping to my gateway it's write or "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available" or "destination host unrichable". what more information do you need... |
| 21:27.36 | Fox_1_ | ...to help me. thanks |
| 21:28.07 | wols | Fox_1_: check if the interface exists with ifconfig |
| 21:28.22 | Fox_1_ | yes, exists |
| 21:28.35 | Fox_1_ | i can show you the ifconfig output |
| 21:29.12 | wols | run ifconfig -a to see if there are any other interfaces |
| 21:29.17 | Fox_1_ | which pastbinto use? |
| 21:29.19 | wols | could be udev mixed something up |
| 21:29.23 | wols | !paste |
| 21:29.24 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 21:30.03 | Vasistha | oh, wow, now I'm seeing that deletion bug krazykit was referring to ... when I "make" ... all the files in the rtl8180 directory get wiped out! |
| 21:30.46 | wols | go into the makefile and check for any "rm"? |
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| 21:31.01 | Fox_1_ | wols: look http://channels.debian.net/paste/5577 |
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| 21:31.22 | manu_hack | anyone here has debian on laptop? |
| 21:31.38 | dkr | !anyone |
| 21:31.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:31.43 | wols | interrupt 233? |
| 21:31.43 | tsurko | manu_hack, i have |
| 21:32.06 | krazykit | Vasistha, ha! see, i'm not crazy! |
| 21:32.12 | manu_hack | hi tsurko, i just had a presentation but failed to get the output work |
| 21:32.13 | wols | aoops. number not irq |
| 21:32.22 | eeyore- | manu_hack: Fn + fkey |
| 21:32.26 | manu_hack | I used the i810switch to do that |
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| 21:32.37 | eeyore- | manu_hack: you want simultaneous panel + vga output |
| 21:32.51 | manu_hack | what was that , eeyore? |
| 21:32.53 | Fox_1_ | what are you thinking? |
| 21:32.57 | wols | Fox_1_: you sure the NIC works? |
| 21:33.10 | apk | manu_hack: What kind of laptop? |
| 21:33.12 | wols | cause it should try to transmit. at least try. not 0 |
| 21:33.12 | eeyore- | manu_hack: doesn't your laptop keyboard have a legend on some function key for video output source? |
| 21:33.14 | manu_hack | toshiba |
| 21:33.35 | apk | manu_hack: Model? Video card? |
| 21:33.43 | manu_hack | yup, but it didn't work very well, in the sense that it couldn't rotate back |
| 21:33.45 | wols | what kernel do you use and what network card is it? |
| 21:33.56 | manu_hack | apk, I'm using i810 driver |
| 21:33.57 | wols | manu_hack: installed fnfx and toshutils? |
| 21:34.04 | Fox_1_ | wols: yes, because after installation it's work |
| 21:34.08 | Vasistha | krazykit: indeed not ... although I wish someone had caught my mistake an hour ago and told me I should be linking "build" to "linux-source" rather than "linux-headers" :P but that's resolved *now*... |
| 21:34.31 | wols | Vasistha: checked the makefile? |
| 21:34.33 | Vasistha | wols: there are several rm's in the MakeFile, but nothing that should be removing everything in the directory! |
| 21:34.37 | eeyore- | Vasistha: didn't i do that? |
| 21:34.55 | manu_hack | installed, wols, weired things is whenever I run these programs, it said my kernel was not compiled with toshiba support |
| 21:34.59 | Vasistha | eeyore-: yes, you caught it -- thanks! although not an hour ago when I first mentioned it :P |
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| 21:35.06 | manu_hack | later I compiled one myself, still didn't work, |
| 21:35.13 | wols | manu_hack: modprobe toshiba I think with debian kernels |
| 21:35.19 | manu_hack | so I sort of use i810swithch |
| 21:35.30 | eeyore- | Vasistha: i was away reading up on the various meltdowns in RE |
| 21:35.31 | wols | then it will work |
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| 21:35.43 | wols | Vasistha: link to that driver sources? |
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| 21:35.57 | Vasistha | wols: yeah, just a moment, I'll find it... |
| 21:36.09 | Fox_1_ | wols: it's an onboard network card. nvidia nForce networking controller |
| 21:36.25 | wols | Fox_1_: what kernel? |
| 21:36.27 | Vasistha | http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/rtl8180-0.22_pre20050528.tar.bz2 |
| 21:36.29 | Fox_1_ | wols: kernel amd64 |
| 21:36.35 | wols | Fox_1_: uname -a |
| 21:36.38 | manu_hack | wols, I runed that, then try fnfx? |
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| 21:36.52 | Fox_1_ | 2.6. |
| 21:36.54 | wols | manu_hack: modrprobe it, then fnfx |
| 21:37.10 | wols | Fox_1_: from what yous ay, it all looks alright |
| 21:37.11 | manu_hack | wols, still no luck |
| 21:37.31 | wols | manu_hack: I have a tecra8000 which works with it. one of the few things that does :) |
| 21:37.35 | manu_hack | running toshset returns this computer is not supported, ... |
| 21:37.46 | Fox_1_ | wols: yes, i know, so why i'm asking here :) |
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| 21:38.03 | manu_hack | wols, mine is satellite A55 |
| 21:38.37 | manu_hack | installation is good, wireless working, the final thing is presentation, then it's perfect |
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| 21:39.17 | Fox_1_ | any ideas? |
| 21:39.40 | manu_hack | the point is , when I run i810switch, I can export the output to the screen, but the screen (i mean the big screen) said frequncy is not right, |
| 21:39.55 | manu_hack | but how should I change that? |
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| 21:40.17 | manu_hack | cant believe that would be an issue, ... |
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| 21:40.48 | wols | Vasistha: try make modules |
| 21:41.09 | Fox_1_ | wols: please look http://channels.debian.net/paste/5578 too. any mistakes? |
| 21:41.10 | wols | manu_hack: I have the same problem with toshset :( |
| 21:41.13 | enouf | hrm .. sonme interesting results .. well .. earlier I meant -inum, not -iname, when using find -- but it appears you can't use * as a number to mean all :-P |
| 21:41.24 | wols | but for some reason fn keys + F-keys works |
| 21:41.32 | Vasistha | wols: same result, the Makefile, along with everything else, gets deleted |
| 21:41.36 | enouf | and .. |
| 21:43.12 | thorat | I've got 32-bit firefox running flash on my debian unstable amd64; now I want to run java applets. I've already installed ia32-sun-java6-bin and I see it contains some libjavaplugin*.so files. Can I just copy one of those into my firefox plugin directory (like I did for flash)? |
| 21:43.26 | manu_hack | wols, but fnfx works for you? |
| 21:43.53 | manu_hack | wols, can you control the screen contrast? |
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| 21:44.06 | manu_hack | i mean brightness |
| 21:45.21 | manu_hack | wols, if I press fn + F5, something happens, then my screen will go to black and never go back again, what happen if you press fn+f5? |
| 21:45.52 | enouf | sudo find /usr -type f | wc -l == 119235 || sudo find /usr -type f | wc -l == 102707 ... but get this locate "/usr/*" -c == 119234 , and locate "*" -c == 236293 .. and locate was f-a-s-t ...like grep, but it missed 1 file :-P |
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| 21:46.20 | justin | enouf: locate uses a database that is re-built once a day |
| 21:46.32 | enouf | justin: right-o |
| 21:47.22 | enouf | I knew that .. I can't seem to make it's search recursive though .. |
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| 21:48.22 | enouf | well .. i guess i did .. doh .. just not needing hte /* .. IOW, just start at PWD |
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| 21:49.11 | eldowan | Would I use loop-aes to encrypt a single file, or a group of files with aes encryption? or is loop-aes only for filesystem encryption? |
| 21:49.44 | enouf | nm .. that's my findings and I'm sticking to them :-P .. I've been playing with way too many diff utils to recall now .. :-D |
| 21:49.46 | jelly-home | enouf: locate uses cached results of find |
| 21:49.54 | enouf | jelly-home: so is that an option for what you needed? or .. |
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| 21:50.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: you still didn't find another option ? |
| 21:51.03 | minus198 | Hi! I want to mount my iPod on /mnt/ipod and its current location is /media/TEH\ IPOD. What command should I use? 'mount /media/TEH\ IPOD/ /mnt/ipod' But i complains about that i must specify the filesystem.. How should I typr the command instead? |
| 21:51.03 | jelly-home | enouf: no, I want to draw a graph and take a snapshot every 5 minutes |
| 21:51.03 | enouf | jelly-home: i found find /* also starts searching my /mnt/points/* .. which wasn't nice for me :-) |
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| 21:51.04 | enouf | jelly-home: well you could run updatedb once every 4 minutes :-P |
| 21:51.05 | jelly-home | abrotman: going with find -type f or echo * ... probably find since the shell might choke on too many files |
| 21:51.21 | enouf | jelly-home: okie .. |
| 21:51.25 | abrotman | jelly-home: i had 'rm' choke last week on 'too many arguments' ... damn crap OS |
| 21:51.28 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:51.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: rm or the shell? |
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| 21:52.01 | abrotman | not sure ... i'll have to double check .. you're right .. it was probably the shell |
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| 21:52.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: hey, 256k should be enough for everybody ;-) |
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| 21:52.48 | h2so4 | hi guys, I did some shit here, I deleted a folder, using rm -rf, ext3 file system, can I recover it ? |
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| 21:53.41 | justin | h2so4: outlook not good |
| 21:53.52 | jelly-home | h2so4: in general, no. But see http://jbj.rapanden.dk/magicrescue/ |
| 21:54.06 | jelly-home | h2so4: restore from backups. |
| 21:54.08 | Vasistha | minus198: look at /etc/fstab ... it's probably as simple as changing the directory in there to the new one you want |
| 21:54.33 | jelly-home | justin: is that a magic-8ball answer? |
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| 21:54.38 | h2so4 | jelly-home the operator did not schedule the backups of this server |
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| 21:54.55 | h2so4 | jelly-home and I did not validate his service |
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| 21:54.58 | jelly-home | h2so4: smack him over the head! :-) |
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| 21:55.14 | sacerdot | xorg or xfree86 ? |
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| 21:55.54 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 21:55.55 | dpkg | [undelete] great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
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| 21:56.17 | abrotman | H2so4: you would have had to umount forcefully .. then try it .. probably too late |
| 21:56.25 | stew | i dunno that i would agree that undelete not working is the point of journalling |
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| 21:56.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: mc does ext2, right? |
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| 21:56.38 | abrotman | jelly-home: yes .. but he's got ext3 |
| 21:56.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: ack, I'm just inquiring |
| 21:57.18 | abrotman | jelly-home: syn, acknowledged |
| 21:57.39 | jelly-home | abrotman: syn rst |
| 21:57.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:58.17 | Vasistha | h2so4: if you happen to be using etch ... magicrescue is in etch ... but not in sarge. |
| 21:58.28 | enouf | just to correct myself .. it was find /usr | wc -l (no -type f) that produced almost the same results as locate "/usr/*" -c .. |
| 21:59.10 | abrotman | ls | wc -l |
| 21:59.18 | enouf | the -type -f option dropped the count down to 102,000 ish from 119,000ish |
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| 21:59.36 | jelly-home | h2so4: in any case, first thing to do is to umount or at least remount read-only the filesystem in question |
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| 21:59.58 | jelly-home | !ponies |
| 22:00.46 | enouf | ls /usr/* | wc -l == 4287 |
| 22:00.50 | enouf | not even close |
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| 22:01.11 | Jauis | Hi, how can I launch an aplication using a spoofed ip? with hping I can a spoof the ip, but how to launch a command? |
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| 22:01.14 | enouf | cd /usr; ls | wc -l == 10 :-P |
| 22:01.18 | imgrey | how to get rid of debian revision number ? |
| 22:01.25 | imgrey | (n package name) |
| 22:01.28 | abrotman | !pony jelly-home |
| 22:01.31 | junix|work | if i wanted to issue a shutdown -r now command to the system via crontab, do i need to put in /sbin/shutdown -r now ??? |
| 22:01.43 | abrotman | probably a good idea |
| 22:01.48 | junix|work | ok |
| 22:01.50 | junix|work | cool |
| 22:01.54 | abrotman | why would you want to reboot your system from cron ? |
| 22:02.06 | enouf | heh |
| 22:02.06 | junix|work | cause, my system locks up after about 8 hours use |
| 22:02.11 | enouf | ouch |
| 22:02.13 | junix|work | yeah |
| 22:02.15 | abrotman | maybe check the heat ? |
| 22:02.18 | enouf | sounds like winwonts |
| 22:02.26 | junix|work | abrotman: its a kernel thing |
| 22:02.27 | abrotman | you might also want to put a timer in there to give warning |
| 22:02.32 | abrotman | junix|work: debian kernel ? |
| 22:02.40 | junix|work | it worked on....an older debian kernel, yes deb kernel |
| 22:02.47 | abrotman | did you file a bug ? |
| 22:02.50 | junix|work | no |
| 22:02.51 | junix|work | no time |
| 22:02.53 | abrotman | do it! |
| 22:02.56 | abrotman | is it etch ? |
| 22:02.58 | junix|work | yes |
| 22:03.00 | smop` | Uhm.. i've followed several howtos on how to configure UTF-8 on GNU/Linux but without results. I'm using the same setting of Slackware but don't seems to work. Any URL? |
| 22:03.10 | abrotman | junix|work: which kernel ? uname -a |
| 22:03.17 | enouf | junix|work: mmap bomb? |
| 22:03.21 | jelly-home | !locale |
| 22:03.21 | dpkg | i heard locale is something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. <man 7 locale> for real information. |
| 22:03.27 | jelly-home | mah |
| 22:03.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:03.32 | junix|work | abrotman: Linux MEGATRON 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Sun Dec 10 19:37:06 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:03.39 | abrotman | junix|work: there's a newer one .. -4- |
| 22:03.50 | junix|work | abrotman: i cant' get it working with nvidia... |
| 22:03.53 | abrotman | junix|work: though .. The Autobots might intercept the delivery! |
| 22:03.57 | jelly-home | lol MEGATRON |
| 22:04.09 | junix|work | more than meets the eye |
| 22:04.13 | junix|work | :-D |
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| 22:04.45 | abrotman | junix|work: uhm .. you should get it working with -4- .. and with nvidia .. and if it still happens PLEASE file a bug .. AIUI .. that's the kernel that will release with etch .. so this is your last chance to get bugs against it |
| 22:05.17 | abrotman | decepticon |
| 22:05.26 | chops | smop`: I have few problems with UTF-8 on Debian... dpkg-reconfigure locales, export LANG=en_US.UTF-8, QED. |
| 22:05.26 | junix|work | abrotman: maybe you can help file the bug later?, i'm swamped at the moment |
| 22:05.31 | enouf | it's a confabrication |
| 22:05.32 | jelly-home | It's been a loong time. |
| 22:05.46 | abrotman | junix|work: i'll help you try to get nvidia working and file a bug .. you'll have to get -4- going before filing a bug |
| 22:05.58 | junix|work | abrotman: ok |
| 22:06.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers |
| 22:06.10 | jelly-home | smop`: which release? |
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| 22:06.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: I think they have a whole wiki of their own! |
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| 22:06.27 | maddash | mplayer is frozen - how do i make it go away? it won't listen to the sigterm sent by kill or killall |
| 22:06.34 | abrotman | jelly-home: they do ... |
| 22:06.40 | abrotman | xkill ? |
| 22:06.44 | DeliPenguen | some applications give "exception error" |
| 22:06.58 | jelly-home | maddash: killall -9 mplayer? |
| 22:07.04 | DeliPenguen | i'm getting crazy |
| 22:07.10 | apk | gah! What is this? I just tried out the new debian installer, and it booted to some pretty version of XDM that asks for my name. |
| 22:07.29 | jelly-home | apk: give it your name |
| 22:07.38 | ma3x | how do I set keycode 117 be the compose key? |
| 22:07.45 | maddash | abrotman: cool, thanks for the point and shoot |
| 22:07.46 | abrotman | xmodmap |
| 22:07.52 | enouf | xmodmap |
| 22:07.53 | apk | Linux isn't supposed to be pretty! |
| 22:07.55 | enouf | bah |
| 22:07.58 | maddash | jelly-home: what's "-9"? |
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| 22:08.06 | enouf | !win abrotman |
| 22:08.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 22:08.17 | enouf | maddash: kill |
| 22:08.18 | jelly-home | maddash: it's the omnipotent KILL signal |
| 22:08.24 | apk | Apparently it wants me to have a desktop environment. |
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| 22:08.38 | enouf | maddash: without hesitation, or reservation |
| 22:08.58 | maddash | jelly-home, enouf: should kill send KILL? |
| 22:09.06 | jelly-home | apk: you can remove the gdm (or whatever ?dm) package |
| 22:09.09 | maddash | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 22:09.16 | enouf | maddash: there's diff stages .. |
| 22:09.30 | chops | maddash: By default kill sends SIGTERM, which nicely asks the program to exit |
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| 22:09.32 | jelly-home | maddash: not by default, SIGKILL's usually the last resort |
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| 22:10.11 | smop` | jelly-home: etch |
| 22:10.34 | maddash | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 22:10.58 | jelly-home | smop`: /etc/default/locale is the place to put system wide default locale env.variables, then |
| 22:11.46 | enouf | In a DE flooded world -9 is becoming the only alternative as of late, and is getting worse every day |
| 22:11.48 | jelly-home | I could swear dpkg knew something about that |
| 22:12.00 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:12.06 | jelly-home | enouf: Debian Etch? |
| 22:12.11 | enouf | I don;t even bother with those other SIGs |
| 22:12.29 | enouf | jelly-home: me? etch/sid |
| 22:12.37 | maddash | enouf: why? |
| 22:12.44 | jelly-home | enouf: DE? |
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| 22:13.06 | enouf | jelly-home: kde strippped down, and gnome remnants hanging about |
| 22:13.07 | jelly-home | Dastardly Enemies? |
| 22:13.09 | smop` | jelly-home: i already use it_IT.UTF-8 locales but don't seems to work |
| 22:13.21 | jelly-home | smop`: I've put my LC_CTYPE=hr_HR.UTF-8 there |
| 22:13.27 | enouf | jelly-home: Desktop Env |
| 22:13.32 | enouf | == DE |
| 22:13.48 | jelly-home | smop`: you need to logout and login for it to become active I think |
| 22:13.53 | enouf | where have you been for rock's sake? ..lol |
| 22:14.00 | smop` | jelly-home: i've also rebooted the system :-P |
| 22:14.18 | chops | enouf: The tide of unstable software has always ebbed and flowed; be of good cheer and file accurate bug reports :-) |
| 22:14.26 | ma3x | how do I set keycode 117 be the compose key? |
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| 22:14.34 | enouf | chops: indeed .. |
| 22:14.42 | jelly-home | smop`: and the dpkg-reconfigure locales didn't help either? |
| 22:14.46 | maddash | ma3x: "compose" key? |
| 22:14.52 | enouf | !tell ma3x about keymap |
| 22:15.40 | jelly-home | is there a !command to show the number of RC bugs? |
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| 22:15.44 | abrotman | ma3x: xmodmap .. like we said |
| 22:15.46 | ma3x | maddash: the key which sets accents '.`' |
| 22:15.51 | jelly-home | !defcon |
| 22:15.51 | ma3x | xmodmap and then what? |
| 22:15.53 | abrotman | jelly-home: not that i'm aware of |
| 22:16.19 | smop` | jelly-home: really i still haven't done it |
| 22:16.23 | smop` | let me try |
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| 22:16.28 | jelly-home | smop`: :-F |
| 22:16.29 | enouf | jelly-home: ass this link if you make one http://bts.turmzimmer.net/ |
| 22:16.34 | enouf | add* |
| 22:16.34 | maddash | ma3x: man xmodmap |
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| 22:16.47 | enouf | hehe .. I need a drink! |
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| 22:18.29 | enouf | ma3x: xmodmap -vv, man loadkeys, man dumpkeys ..who knows :-) .. there's an easy way, but I forget atm... |
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| 22:19.23 | ma3x | so xmodmap -e keycode 117 = what? |
| 22:19.27 | ma3x | what is the compose function? |
| 22:19.45 | maddash | ma3x: lookup the appropriate X KeySym |
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| 22:20.00 | Guerin | ma3x: Multi_key |
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| 22:21.39 | Phil2 | guys, if I downloaded the .db files for php5, apache2.2 etc. ("Testing" stuff) from packages.debian.org and ran then with dpkg -i would they install and run happily on Sarge? |
| 22:21.50 | Guerin | Phil2: no. |
| 22:21.56 | Guerin | Phil2: /msg dpkg backport |
| 22:21.58 | maddash | isn't testing "etch"? |
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| 22:22.05 | Phil2 | yes |
| 22:22.26 | Seb | hi feloows |
| 22:22.30 | maddash | !tell Phil2 about backport |
| 22:22.36 | Seb | what up ? |
| 22:22.54 | Phil2 | hmmm |
| 22:23.01 | Phil2 | so if I added the backports to my sources |
| 22:23.06 | ma3x | what's the keysymbol of alt_gr? |
| 22:23.08 | ma3x | Alt_Gr? |
| 22:23.08 | Phil2 | I could get php5, Apache2.2 etc. safely? |
| 22:23.09 | Seb | abrotman: hi to you too |
| 22:23.26 | Seb | Phil2: that is the point, yes |
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| 22:23.44 | Guerin | Phil2: in principle |
| 22:23.48 | Seb | Phil2: but don't ever ever get .deb files from sid and dpkg -i them on sarge/etch or you'll regret it... |
| 22:23.59 | michael117 | How can I change the version of a deb package? |
| 22:24.05 | abrotman | change it ? |
| 22:24.10 | Phil2 | I was refering to from Etch to Sarge |
| 22:24.11 | Phil2 | but ok |
| 22:24.13 | abrotman | install a newer version ? |
| 22:24.14 | stew | Phil2: i don't believe backports has apache2.2 |
| 22:24.18 | Guerin | michael117: your question is malformed |
| 22:24.27 | Phil2 | that's not a massive issue |
| 22:24.30 | Phil2 | php5 is however |
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| 22:24.48 | stew | Phil2: backports definately has php5 |
| 22:24.52 | Phil2 | ok, thanks |
| 22:25.17 | Phil2 | I'll take a look when I can get the host to redo the VPS again |
| 22:25.25 | michael117 | I built a deb of the newest Gaim beta but apt seems to think that it is actually older, so I would like to manipulate the deb I made to give it a seemingly newer version so it will know it is newer |
| 22:25.55 | michael117 | and not hassle me to "upgrade" to the lower version |
| 22:25.55 | Guerin | michael117: /msg dpkg mg; instructions on how to build and maniputalte package versions |
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| 22:27.20 | stew | michael117: what was the version number of the package you created? |
| 22:27.37 | stew | michael117: did it include an epoch? the current gaim in debian is epoch=1 |
| 22:27.52 | ma3x | when I setup something like xmodmap -e keycode = function, how do I print out what I've setup? |
| 22:28.11 | enouf | dumpkeys |
| 22:28.14 | enouf | maybe |
| 22:28.28 | amphi | ma3x: man xmodmap ;) |
| 22:28.34 | ma3x | amphi: I tried xmodmap -display |
| 22:28.43 | ma3x | or just xmodmap, it wont show it |
| 22:28.50 | stew | ma3x: xmodmap -pk |
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| 22:29.35 | ma3x | thanks stew |
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| 22:30.13 | streuner | !shoot ma3x |
| 22:30.29 | maddash | streuner: why? |
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| 22:31.03 | SJB | hi, i want to turn safe_mode off, i changed it in the php.ini to off but on phpinfo() its locally turned on, how can i turn it off locally? |
| 22:31.14 | SJB | there is confixx on the server too |
| 22:31.23 | Guerin | SJB: #php |
| 22:31.47 | empath | hm |
| 22:31.51 | stew | SJB: which php.ini did you edit? |
| 22:32.21 | SJB | ./etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
| 22:32.40 | stew | SJB: (and you are using apache2 and php4, right?) |
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| 22:32.43 | stew | SJB: did you restart apache2? |
| 22:33.01 | SJB | i restarted the whole server ;-) |
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| 22:34.43 | SJB | any idea? |
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| 22:35.52 | SJB | i tried to add httpd special on confixx too (php_admin_flag safe_mode Off) |
| 22:36.16 | stew | SJB: what is confixx? |
| 22:37.15 | streuner | not opensource |
| 22:37.27 | streuner | IIRC |
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| 22:38.34 | SJB | yeah, server management software |
| 22:39.01 | stew | SJB: what does "apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php4 | grep Installed" return? |
| 22:39.07 | streuner | a PITA |
| 22:39.36 | SJB | Installed: 4:4.3.10-18 |
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| 22:40.11 | streuner | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Confixx.jpg |
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| 22:42.38 | romrom | hi there |
| 22:43.07 | romrom | to what refers "dpkg --print-architecture", please ? |
| 22:43.21 | streuner | #ubuntu |
| 22:43.53 | streuner | if you using ubuntu its not that important ;-) |
| 22:43.57 | romrom | yes, ubuntu |
| 22:44.05 | romrom | :p |
| 22:44.07 | wols | streuner: I gues his question is something ubuntu can't answer :) |
| 22:44.22 | wols | or do they have PPC? |
| 22:44.26 | streuner | as long as he get an answer at all :-/ |
| 22:44.32 | madd_matt | romrom, it tells you what type of CPU you have. |
| 22:45.06 | apk | How hot should a Pentium M run? |
| 22:45.18 | romrom | ok but how does it know that ? |
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| 22:45.29 | wols | romrom: magic |
| 22:45.35 | romrom | ... |
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| 22:46.03 | romrom | i don't believe in magic stuff |
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| 22:46.30 | streuner | type 'apt-get moo' ;-) |
| 22:46.35 | wols | apk: there are many different pentium Ms |
| 22:46.41 | romrom | moo ? |
| 22:46.47 | jplibre | say I have one interface up as eth1, and I add another IP address on eth1:1 - How do I get the system to respond to ARP requests for the address on eth1:1 (with the same MAC as on eth1)?? |
| 22:46.50 | wols | bad streuner |
| 22:46.56 | streuner | !moo |
| 22:46.56 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:47.01 | SJB | no idea on my prob? :/ |
| 22:47.47 | romrom | ok...... you're not very helpful... |
| 22:47.58 | maddash | methane doesn't come out... |
| 22:48.21 | smop` | bye |
| 22:48.26 | jplibre | Oh, but it does. Not as much as from rice patties though. |
| 22:48.45 | maddash | jplibre: i hope that you're joking |
| 22:48.59 | wols | romrom: and you're not reading the topic |
| 22:49.02 | romrom | ok... what''s wrong with ubuntu ? |
| 22:49.10 | streuner | read /topic |
| 22:49.10 | Guerin | maddash: methane does in fact come out of cows' arses |
| 22:49.13 | jplibre | maddash: got some research to back you up on that? |
| 22:49.17 | Guerin | romrom: it's not debian. |
| 22:49.18 | wols | nothing is wrong with ubuntu at all. this is just the wrong place for ubuntu users to ask questions |
| 22:49.25 | tuvwx | is there a way to do window tiling in gnome/metacity? |
| 22:49.28 | maddash | jplibre: got some to back yours? |
| 22:49.30 | romrom | it's like a debbiannnnn.... |
| 22:49.37 | wols | !Like debian |
| 22:49.47 | Guerin | maddash: you're the one who challenged, you get to front up |
| 22:49.55 | jplibre | maddash: Yep. "You're messing with the wrong guy!!" to quote Steve Martin |
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| 22:50.10 | romrom | ok dear geeks... my question is about dkpg which is a debian toolls... |
| 22:50.16 | maddash | Guerin: you're full of crap, aren't you? |
| 22:50.24 | wols | we don't give a fuck about ubuntu. now clear? |
| 22:50.28 | jplibre | maddash: I've worked on methane recovery projects in several countries. |
| 22:50.30 | Guerin | romrom: we don't care. Ask #ubuntu. If you want to install debian, we'll be happy to help. |
| 22:50.34 | Guerin | maddash: no. |
| 22:50.36 | romrom | and i seen #ubuntu and they don't know |
| 22:50.48 | wols | either you run debian then we're happy to answer you questions (which we already did btw), or you ask whatever distro channel you use |
| 22:50.49 | streuner | !they don't know |
| 22:50.49 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 22:50.51 | jplibre | maddash: from organic waste mostly, but hang on, let me get the last report. |
| 22:50.54 | maddash | jplibre: name them |
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| 22:51.17 | Guerin | maddash: i live in a country whose primary climate-change emissions are methane from farm stock, unlike you, who lives in one whose prtimary emissions come from gas-guzzling cars. |
| 22:51.32 | chops | romrom: strace dpkg --print-architecture if you really want to know |
| 22:51.43 | jplibre | maddash: Michoacan - Do you even know what country that is a state of? |
| 22:51.45 | wols | Guerin: where do you get your electricity from? |
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| 22:51.46 | romrom | chops: thx man |
| 22:51.49 | apk | alias whoami='/usr/bin/whoami|cowsay' |
| 22:51.52 | wols | afaik Oz uses mainly coal. you? |
| 22:51.54 | Guerin | wols: mostly hydro |
| 22:51.59 | wols | ah |
| 22:52.05 | Guerin | wols: some coal, which is stupid and unfortunate |
| 22:52.09 | romrom | fucking intergrism... |
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| 22:52.17 | wols | do you happen to know what amount of CO2 the typical kiwi produces per year? |
| 22:52.21 | Guerin | $2b is being sunk into geothermal, and some wind has just gone online |
| 22:52.21 | jplibre | jplibre: Patagonia region of Chile. Managua, Nicaragua. Chiapas. |
| 22:52.28 | jplibre | Guerin: which country? |
| 22:52.34 | streuner | wols: people in .nz uses much more electricity vs. somewhere else |
| 22:52.35 | Guerin | wols: no, but it's quite a lot, given the famring thing. |
| 22:52.38 | Guerin | jplibre: New Zealand |
| 22:52.39 | jplibre | it's going pretty well in the USA too, lots of farms using it |
| 22:52.48 | wols | Guerin: all those sheep? |
| 22:52.56 | Guerin | wols: sheep aren't so bad as cattle |
| 22:53.04 | maddash | jplibre: why don't you tell me the projects you've "worked on"? instead of feigning depth by offering up some obscure (and near-irrelevant) proper noun? |
| 22:53.04 | Guerin | of which we also have millions |
| 22:53.06 | jplibre | Guerin: sweet. I was going to do some work in the Phillipines (well a few dozen islands of the 700 or so...) |
| 22:53.10 | wols | didn't even know you were a cattle mass producer |
| 22:53.12 | Guerin | maddash: you lose. |
| 22:53.22 | Guerin | jplibre: coo. |
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| 22:53.33 | Guerin | wols: dairy is our single largest export |
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| 22:53.56 | wols | can someone tell me what "intergrism" is? |
| 22:53.59 | maddash | Guerin: how exactly did I lose? |
| 22:54.07 | wols | !moron maddash |
| 22:54.07 | dpkg | maddash: You are moron #41 |
| 22:54.09 | jplibre | maddash: I'm not here to impress you. What proper noun, btw? And what is your problem? ;) |
| 22:54.12 | wols | that's how |
| 22:54.19 | Guerin | maddash: the battle of wits. Unsurprisingly, since you showed up unarmed, per usual. |
| 22:54.23 | maddash | oh, wait - i forgot, this is IRC. arguing here's about as useful as talking to a rock. |
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| 22:54.38 | stew | maddash: jplibre: Guerin: please keep it on-topic |
| 22:54.42 | cobar | arguing's about as useless as talking to a rock |
| 22:54.45 | streuner | maddash: feel free to leave |
| 22:55.02 | streuner | if you think you cannot argue with US - leave |
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| 22:55.45 | jplibre | Last comment on this - http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.pdf |
| 22:56.05 | jplibre | end of argument. go do some reading, maddash. |
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| 22:56.30 | BrinT | I forgot is there a way to update just a specific package in Debian? |
| 22:56.37 | stew | BrinT: apt-get install packagename |
| 22:56.49 | fsmunoz | BrinT, apt-get install it again |
| 22:56.50 | streuner | damn, stew is fast today |
| 22:56.52 | fsmunoz | oops |
| 22:57.14 | jplibre | BrinT: If you mean you want to grab one package from one release (ie you are running testing and you want something from unstable), you can pin a package to a release. |
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| 22:58.15 | habeeb_ | hey guys what is a safe wayu to restart thye sshd deamon on a remote box? |
| 22:58.26 | streuner | don't, stew |
| 22:58.28 | streuner | :-) |
| 22:58.31 | Guerin | habeeb_: define `safe' |
| 22:58.34 | BrinT | stew : I tried that and it said there were updates available but i couldn't install them. *Yes, I was root* |
| 22:58.40 | streuner | habeeb_: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 22:58.44 | maddash | jplibre: i think you're the one that needs to read. where does it say that cows emit ch4? |
| 22:58.47 | Guerin | streuner: not necessaarily |
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| 22:58.55 | jplibre | maddash: Sigh, go away. |
| 22:58.56 | streuner | Guerin: not safe? |
| 22:59.05 | stew | BrinT: put the exact command you typed, and the exact output into a pastebin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 22:59.07 | jplibre | and keep it on topic fer bob's sake |
| 22:59.13 | Guerin | streuner: i think he might mean `test whether config changes won't break it' |
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| 22:59.29 | stew | maddash: drop it |
| 22:59.29 | streuner | hm |
| 22:59.39 | habeeb_ | streuner so i can login again |
| 22:59.40 | jplibre | Geurin, streuner: I was reading it as "don't cut off my connection when I restart the daemon" |
| 22:59.50 | habeeb_ | yeah that |
| 22:59.53 | habeeb_ | how? |
| 23:00.03 | Guerin | jplibre: sshd doesn't, you can kill the daemon dead and have it still be fine |
| 23:00.08 | aardvarq | Okay, I wanna change the extension on a bunch of files. I figured I should use find with an exec. But {} would include the extension. So I need to find by regexp, group the name, and then use $1.newext. But my regexps aren't working. |
| 23:00.12 | Guerin | so what streuner said |
| 23:00.13 | aardvarq | Anyone know how to do this off the top of their head? |
| 23:00.17 | jplibre | Yep |
| 23:00.22 | stew | aardvarq: use rename(1) |
| 23:00.26 | aardvarq | This seems like a cookbook recipe kinda thing. But my googling was unsuccessful. |
| 23:00.32 | jplibre | it should keep existing sessions alive even across upgrades of the sshd binary |
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| 23:00.54 | Guerin | if you need to test config without prejudicing an existing sshd instance, change the config and start it manually with sshd -d and a different port specification |
| 23:00.56 | jplibre | though I seem to recall some packages on some distros killing off the old sessions on purpose |
| 23:00.57 | Guerin | then try to log in, etc |
| 23:00.58 | stew | aardvarq: like "rename 's/.oldext/.newext' *" |
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| 23:01.27 | jeward | firehol is looking for a command called "ip". Is that in a package I can install? |
| 23:01.32 | Vasistha | aardvarq: or if you want to be even more specific, you can use an EOL anchor, rename 's/.old$/.new/' *.old |
| 23:01.38 | stew | jeward: iproute (/msg dpkg search) |
| 23:01.45 | aardvarq | yeah, and escape the . |
| 23:01.54 | Vasistha | aardvarq: there ya go |
| 23:01.54 | aardvarq | thx Vasistha |
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| 23:02.11 | Vasistha | aardvarq: np, I'm not as quick as stew... |
| 23:02.15 | jplibre | jeward: yeah, iproute. might be 'iproute2' also |
| 23:02.16 | BrinT | stew : it's not all too important at the moment, I was thinking of something i need on my webserver later tonight... |
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| 23:02.22 | tonka | What is MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH ?? |
| 23:02.31 | aardvarq | er, yeah, thx Stender|afk |
| 23:02.33 | aardvarq | gr |
| 23:02.41 | Guerin | tonka: an environment variable which tells mozilla where plugins are |
| 23:02.49 | aardvarq | thx stew |
| 23:02.52 | aardvarq | there we go |
| 23:02.56 | tonka | guerin: where do i find it or can i modify it? |
| 23:02.56 | stew | BrinT: often, running the aptitude frontend will help in sorting out messy dependency problems |
| 23:03.02 | Vasistha | tonka: you can see if its set with: echo $MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH |
| 23:04.12 | tonka | vasistha: i get a blank line for that command |
| 23:04.21 | Vasistha | tonka: ahh, then it's not set ;-) |
| 23:04.27 | tonka | lol yes |
| 23:04.27 | enouf | tonka: man mozplugger if using that |
| 23:04.43 | tonka | what command to set it, dont say man mozplugger ;O |
| 23:04.54 | Guerin | tonka: help export :) |
| 23:05.18 | tonka | no entry for man mozplugger |
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| 23:05.42 | Vasistha | tonka: aptitude install mozplugger ;-) |
| 23:05.43 | micty | I want to install NX but I don't find it in synaptic |
| 23:05.50 | micty | anyone knows where NX is? |
| 23:05.56 | Guerin | micty: google knows |
| 23:05.57 | streuner | its not in debian... |
| 23:05.59 | Vasistha | anyone know *what* nx is? |
| 23:06.05 | streuner | !nx |
| 23:06.05 | dpkg | it has been said that nx is http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 23:06.08 | micty | Guerin: In debina |
| 23:06.16 | Guerin | it's some proprietary remote desktop thing, innit? |
| 23:06.18 | sussudio | %debina |
| 23:06.18 | badgers | debina is, like, debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 23:06.33 | tonka | mozplugger required for gnashplugin? |
| 23:06.39 | streuner | Guerin: like ssh+x |
| 23:06.42 | micty | heheh |
| 23:06.43 | Guerin | tonka: no, gnash should work |
| 23:06.47 | micty | ok |
| 23:06.48 | BrinT | hehe stew, I'm not running any gui's whatsoever |
| 23:06.50 | streuner | Guerin: but they have only old debs... |
| 23:06.53 | Guerin | might as well just use ssh -X |
| 23:06.57 | tonka | well doesnt thats why i'm asking for the env variable |
| 23:07.05 | micty | I tried to insall from nomachine and had problems of dependencies |
| 23:07.08 | mindframe | which fsck is for fat32? |
| 23:07.11 | streuner | sure |
| 23:07.17 | streuner | its NOT official... |
| 23:07.20 | Vasistha | micty: you can try looking at apt-get.org |
| 23:07.24 | streuner | nah |
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| 23:07.40 | fsmunoz | Guerin, NX is more like VNC through ssh, with session suspension and light network use. |
| 23:07.43 | micty | is there a way to tell dpkg to solve dependecies issues automaticaly? |
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| 23:07.57 | streuner | no |
| 23:08.04 | stew | micty: no, try "aptitude -f install" |
| 23:08.14 | dustybin | im trying to install zoneminder on debian etch using this as a guide: |
| 23:08.16 | dustybin | http://www.spic.net/zoneminder/ |
| 23:08.35 | tonka | well different approach then: i did apt-get install gnash mozilla-plugin-gnash, but the plugin is not detected, what to do??? |
| 23:08.47 | dustybin | when i apt-get install zm it responds with: zm: Depends: libmysqlclient14 but it is not installable |
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| 23:09.02 | dustybin | anyone know how to get libmysqlclient14 installed on etch? |
| 23:09.15 | stew | dustybin: use libmysqlclient15 |
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| 23:09.21 | dustybin | ok dude |
| 23:09.22 | jplibre | mindframe: whatever refers to vfat |
| 23:09.39 | stew | dustybin: err, make that libmysqlclient15-off |
| 23:09.53 | stew | dustybin: last time, make that libmysqlclient15off |
| 23:10.04 | enouf | tonka: man gnash? |
| 23:10.18 | micty | it wants libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 23:10.27 | dustybin | hm.. libmysqlclient15off is already the newest version. |
| 23:10.30 | enouf | tonka: man moz<tab><tab>? |
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| 23:10.46 | dustybin | maybe that package is not compatible with etch at all |
| 23:11.20 | stew | dustybin: it might have to be recompiled for the newer mysql client library |
| 23:11.28 | enouf | tonka: about:plugins <-- in moz url bar may tell you something |
| 23:11.30 | dustybin | yes i was thinking that |
| 23:11.56 | Vasistha | ohh, so this is interesting ... `pccardctl ls` is telling me, 'CardBus card -- see "lspci" for more information' ... so am I do gather that `pccardctl ident` saying "no product info available" is perfectly alright, especially since I do have info for the card in lspci? |
| 23:12.06 | tonka | enouf: tried that, says no plugins installed |
| 23:12.41 | tonka | enouf: what is man gnash supposed to tell me about that? |
| 23:12.46 | enouf | tonka: well .. not only do we have NO idea which browser you're using, but it could be any of a number of things that's the issue |
| 23:12.56 | enouf | tonka: nfc! |
| 23:13.13 | enouf | tonka: something baout monsters and teeth? |
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| 23:15.11 | enouf | Vasistha: got wireless-tools also installed? |
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| 23:15.31 | Vasistha | enouf: yup |
| 23:15.58 | enouf | Vasistha: hrm .. module(s) loaded and/or firmware in /lib/firmware ? |
| 23:16.15 | Vasistha | enouf: well, no, I'm unable to compile the modules :-( |
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| 23:16.37 | tonka | enouf: iceweasel, what about monsters |
| 23:16.46 | enouf | heh .. then the kernel doesn;t know much about it I guess, only pciids |
| 23:16.58 | sid | What is a good cli rss feed reader?(I know how to use apt-cache, there are several.. I was wondering if someone would suggest their favorite) |
| 23:17.01 | enouf | tonka: gnashing teeth == monsters |
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| 23:17.11 | enouf | !b00 |
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| 23:17.16 | rahul | gnu's nash clone. |
| 23:17.26 | enouf | Graham Nash? |
| 23:17.30 | Vasistha | grr, how do I get ctrl+insert to work on root's konsole? :P |
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| 23:17.37 | Vasistha | anyway, kernel knows this much: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC (rev 20) |
| 23:17.46 | nn-main | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.04 | Vasistha | !tell nn-main about nvidia |
| 23:18.14 | enouf | Vasistha: that's all info from pciidsl .. which parses a list |
| 23:18.20 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:19.01 | enouf | Vasistha: mine works here :-) |
| 23:19.01 | tonka | enouf: is there a way to tell iceweasel to use a differennt plugin folder |
| 23:19.29 | Vasistha | enouf: your what? your wireless card? do you happen to have an rtl8180 or something? |
| 23:19.34 | enouf | tonka: I don't know .. I don;t use that |
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| 23:19.49 | enouf | Vasistha: no .. silly .. shift+insert |
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| 23:19.53 | enouf | :-) |
| 23:19.54 | Vasistha | enouf: I would guess mozplugger would be helpful |
| 23:20.04 | Vasistha | enouf: oh ... shift+insert works fine, but ctrl+insert doesn't |
| 23:20.20 | enouf | it may very well be .. Perhaps it might pull in Crosby, Stills and young as well |
| 23:20.29 | simonrvn | ctrl-insert supposed to do something? |
| 23:20.44 | simonrvn | crsoby, stills, and nash |
| 23:20.51 | simonrvn | crosby* |
| 23:20.53 | Vasistha | ctrl+insert copies selected text, puts it in the clipboard. not sure *which* clipboard |
| 23:20.53 | enouf | Vasistha: i misread .. sorry .. you said ctrl-insert |
| 23:21.04 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 23:21.32 | simonrvn | cool, learned something today (so far) |
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| 23:22.00 | Vasistha | simonrvn: yeah... unfortunately it doesn't work in root's konsole :P |
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| 23:23.19 | simonrvn | heh |
| 23:23.23 | Vasistha | wonder if he ever tried installing mozplugger |
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| 23:23.41 | Vasistha | whoops, he's back! tonka, have you tried mozplugger? |
| 23:24.02 | tuvwx | what does it mean when grub-install says: 'The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly' ? |
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| 23:24.17 | Vasistha | that sounds bad |
| 23:24.24 | Guerin | tuvwx: it means The file /boot/grub/stage1 was not read correctly |
| 23:25.12 | tuvwx | Guerin, well what could be the reason? i moved it to another file and ran grub-install again: a new one got created but i still got the same message |
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| 23:25.35 | Guerin | tuvwx: dunno, never struck it. |
| 23:25.37 | Vasistha | tuvwx: if it happened to me, I think I would try reinstalling grub from a floppy, although if possible you should back up your menu.lst first! |
| 23:25.51 | Vasistha | oh... you've already re-installed... well, darn it! |
| 23:26.13 | mango | hi, can any one please tell me how can I back up my drivers for my wifi cards & any concerning files before I do a fresh installation. thank you kindly |
| 23:26.14 | Vasistha | tuvwx: what type of volume is it? |
| 23:26.36 | Guerin | mango: drivers don't quite work that way |
| 23:26.43 | tuvwx | Vasistha, standard ext3 on ide disk. first partition (/dev/hda) |
| 23:27.02 | mango | Guerin: does that mean that I have to install them again |
| 23:27.04 | Vasistha | tuvwx: ...and by first partition you mean hda1? :-) |
| 23:27.06 | tonka | vasistha: somebody said i dont need mozplugger |
| 23:27.18 | tonka | vasistha: in order to run libgnashplugin.so |
| 23:27.25 | Vasistha | tonka: yeah, somebody did say that. |
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| 23:27.39 | Guerin | mango: most likely, yes. |
| 23:27.41 | valdyn | mango: how did you setup those drivers? |
| 23:27.44 | Vasistha | tonka: they might be right. but you could also just try it anyway, as it probably won't hurt. |
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| 23:27.50 | Guerin | mango: why do you want to reinstall? |
| 23:28.23 | mango | Guerin: cause I can not get my sound card to work |
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| 23:28.46 | Guerin | mango: how will reinstalling help that? |
| 23:28.57 | Vasistha | mango: I don't think that's a good reason to reinstall your whole os... although you might test with a liveCD |
| 23:29.16 | mango | caldyn: I used a ipw2100 with firmware |
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| 23:30.22 | Vasistha | mango: btw, you should learn to use the TAB key ... type val<TAB> |
| 23:30.26 | mango | Guerin: Vasistha: Well I use to get sound out but not sound in, I played with a bit I lost both |
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| 23:30.47 | valdyn | mango: and im supposed to guess how you installed the driver for that hardware? |
| 23:31.01 | Vasistha | mango: and so you concluded that by reinstalling the OS you could probably restore sound output working? |
| 23:31.06 | Guerin | mango: what sound card? |
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| 23:32.05 | struct | why does libc6-amd64 install on x86 hardware? |
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| 23:32.24 | mango | Vasistah: I just loaded the module using the module assistance and kernel source ofcourse, then downloaded the firmware into the correct location |
| 23:32.29 | valdyn | struct: why not? |
| 23:32.40 | dn4 | how do I mount /dev/hdc2 852 4865 32242455 5 Extended |
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| 23:32.54 | Guerin | mango: ignore the wireless thing. Fix the sound card. |
| 23:32.54 | tuvwx | is there anything else other than 'grub-install /dev/hda' that i can do to solve/diagnose the problem? |
| 23:32.54 | dn4 | mount -t ??? /dev/hdc2 /mnt |
| 23:32.54 | mango | Vasistah: I guess I can do it all over again. should not cause a problem I hope |
| 23:32.56 | struct | valdyn: just seems weird that it would install on non-64bit hardware is all |
| 23:33.03 | valdyn | struct: debian package management isn't smart enough to know if you run debian/i386 on amd64 capable hardware or not. |
| 23:33.21 | Vasistha | dn4: fdisk -l /dev/hdc should be able to tell you what type of volume it is |
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| 23:33.43 | rahul | struct: dpkg doesn't care what hardware you have |
| 23:33.54 | bzed | dn4: extended sounds more like an extended partition, there should be some logical partitions inside, checkl for hdcX with X > 4 |
| 23:34.11 | rahul | struct: there are a million reasons why you'd want to install packages that are not for the hardware of the running system |
| 23:34.19 | rahul | struct: you could be setting up a chroot install for another box |
| 23:34.23 | dn4 | bzed, yes there is hdc5 && hdc6 |
| 23:34.36 | bzed | dn4: well, you don't want to mount /dev/hdc2 |
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| 23:34.45 | dn4 | hmm ok |
| 23:34.51 | valdyn | struct: but the same is true for most drivers in debian or even in your kernel |
| 23:34.52 | rahul | struct: or an NFS mountable /usr or whatever |
| 23:34.54 | bzed | dn4: as it is just a big container, containning several partitions |
| 23:34.54 | dn4 | hdc5 is my swap hdc6 says linux |
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| 23:35.10 | imgrey | seems i managed to build my ufo2000 package. but unable to signup on mentors.debian.net |
| 23:35.10 | juice` | what was the name of the debian package that has all Xorg/GUI in it ? |
| 23:35.18 | bzed | dn4: then mount /dev/hdc6 /dir/you/want/to/have/it/mounted |
| 23:35.18 | stew | juice`: "xorg" |
| 23:35.20 | Guerin | juice`: there isn't one |
| 23:35.29 | juice` | no... some long name |
| 23:35.36 | juice` | of course there is, i used it many times |
| 23:35.38 | Guerin | you might want x-window-system |
| 23:35.39 | rahul | was an i686 libc6 really not that much of a benefit? |
| 23:35.40 | streuner | x-window-system? |
| 23:35.41 | juice` | yes |
| 23:35.43 | juice` | thanks :) |
| 23:35.46 | mango | Guerin: lspci gave me this =>00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 23:35.47 | Guerin | no, there isn't one with all the gui stuff in. |
| 23:35.50 | stew | juice`: x-window-system just installs the xorg package |
| 23:35.51 | tuvwx | juice`, maybe the desktop-environment task |
| 23:35.54 | dn4 | bzed, sweet so mounting a linux partition doesn't require a -t for type |
| 23:36.07 | juice` | x-window-system is the one |
| 23:36.12 | streuner | rahul: as long as the system it could use it - it use it, if not, it doesn't... |
| 23:36.15 | amphi | mango: alsaconf should set that up |
| 23:36.17 | juice` | by all, i didnt really mean *ALL* :) |
| 23:36.19 | Vasistha | dn4: usually it can auto-detect the type |
| 23:36.22 | stew | juice`: "apt-cache show x-window-system". "xorg" is actually the one |
| 23:36.28 | rahul | streuner: eh? |
| 23:36.40 | streuner | rahul: i didn't see much performance |
| 23:36.40 | rahul | streuner: I'm talking about a precompiled one as a debian package |
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| 23:36.43 | dn4 | thx i'm out |
| 23:36.43 | dn4 | peace |
| 23:36.44 | rahul | streuner: ok |
| 23:36.50 | streuner | rahul: sure |
| 23:36.52 | amphi | dn4: you can put filesystem types to try in /etc/filesystems |
| 23:37.08 | tuvwx | is there anything else other than 'grub-install /dev/hda' that i can do to solve/diagnose the problem? |
| 23:37.17 | bzed | dn4: usually not |
| 23:37.22 | juice` | stew: oh, it must have changed then |
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| 23:37.30 | bzed | amphi: uh? |
| 23:37.39 | maddash | just for fun, i `sudo grep -i ssh /var/log/auth.log` . this returned a plethora of random login messages, as well as a few "POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT" messages, the latter of which i've never seen. is this bad? |
| 23:38.00 | Guerin | mango: not really. |
| 23:38.04 | bzed | amphi: I think you mean /proc/filesystems, which lists all FSs supported by the kernel |
| 23:38.05 | Guerin | maddash: not really. |
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| 23:38.18 | Guerin | maddash: what would be bad is if you saw NO attempts there |
| 23:38.20 | valdyn | maddash: that's common, there's to many bots doing random probes |
| 23:38.31 | amphi | bzed: man mount ;) |
| 23:38.34 | stew | maddash: its normal. the possible breakin... is someone connecting to your machine with improperly setup reverse dns |
| 23:38.35 | Guerin | maddash: look into fail2ban or run your sshd on another port |
| 23:38.44 | tuvwx | is the stage1 file identical on all machines or is it generated differently upon installation? |
| 23:38.45 | struct | valdyn: dpkg is smart enough to know not to put architecture specific packages on arches that are not meant for it |
| 23:39.13 | struct | valdyn: for example an i386 package cannot be installed on an alpha arch |
| 23:39.13 | mango | Guerin: I ran alsaconf |
| 23:39.13 | valdyn | struct: libc6-amd64 is a i386 package |
| 23:39.16 | struct | valdyn: you have to --force-architecture |
| 23:39.20 | struct | valdyn: yes thats correct |
| 23:39.29 | bzed | amphi: yeah ok, it'll read that, and use /proc/filesystems if it doesn't exist. so I doubt you wanna create /etc/filesystems except you want to exclude something, but there're better ways to do it ;) |
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| 23:39.30 | maddash | stew: would that make it possible for them to ssh into my machine? |
| 23:39.38 | struct | its an i386 package |
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| 23:39.43 | Guerin | maddash: if they knew your password, sure. |
| 23:39.46 | stew | maddash: it doesn't affect their ability to ssh into your machine |
| 23:39.50 | Guerin | maddash: or had your [private key, etc. |
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| 23:41.00 | DWebb151 | so i'm installing ampache for the 1st time and im getting an error in the test.php for php session support |
| 23:41.15 | stew | maddash: err, actually i'm not sure. it appears that UseDNS is the default, so those users might be prevented from being able to login. i don't have a way to test this though |
| 23:41.21 | Guerin | DWebb151: tall #php |
| 23:41.26 | mango | Guerin: I still don't know if that work or not. Playing audacity for example gave me an error |
| 23:41.27 | stew | DWebb151: what is the error? |
| 23:41.45 | maddash | Guerin: thanks, i"ll look into fail2ban |
| 23:41.47 | DWebb151 | on the test.php page it just says ERROR instead of OK like the rest of the list |
| 23:42.16 | maddash | stew: "usedns"? in sshd_config? |
| 23:42.19 | Vasistha | DWebb151: did you also install some kind of libapache-mod-php package? |
| 23:42.25 | stew | maddash: yes (man sshd_config) |
| 23:42.25 | DWebb151 | i went throught the install.php and completed the steps and when it tried to re-direct to the login.php it just comes up a blank page |
| 23:42.43 | DWebb151 | yea i installed the module |
| 23:43.10 | mango | Guerin: there was an error initializing the audio i/o layer, You will not be able to lay or record audio Error: Host error |
| 23:43.31 | Vasistha | DWebb151: uhm, are you certain apache is running? |
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| 23:44.28 | DWebb151 | oh yea |
| 23:44.28 | wifioh | hi |
| 23:44.36 | DWebb151 | my phpinfo shows up |
| 23:44.44 | Guerin | mango: wtf. Never seen that one before. Purge alsa-base and alsa-utils; reinstall and run it again. |
| 23:44.45 | DWebb151 | it lists apache and all the other modules |
| 23:45.03 | DWebb151 | i can see the directory structure and whatnot... |
| 23:45.18 | Caelum | how do I get a safe random MAC address? |
| 23:45.26 | wifioh | so i run checkinstall to create a debian package right... does it and correspondingly, debian packages in general, need a release entry? or can i just have a version? i hate seeing 0.11-1 when i really mean 0.11 |
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| 23:46.03 | Vasistha | DWebb151: are you certain there isn't an error in your php code? this is where you should really ask ##php and pastebin test.php for them |
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| 23:46.22 | dn4 | Anyone know of a good symbolic computation program? |
| 23:46.34 | DWebb151 | it's a definite possiblity that the php.ini is not setupcorrectly |
| 23:46.38 | DWebb151 | is that what u mean by php code? |
| 23:46.38 | wifioh | dn4: mathematica, but it's not free but it runs on linux |
| 23:47.03 | DWebb151 | cuz the rest of the php code is coming from the ampache app |
| 23:47.05 | Vasistha | DWebb151: actually, I meant test.php ... I would imagine the php.ini should be reasonable by default |
| 23:47.09 | Guerin | !cuz |
| 23:47.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, cuz is you mean because?, or an affectionate name for your cousin (or cousin, according to dvs). |
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| 23:47.32 | DWebb151 | cuz = because |
| 23:47.36 | wifioh | Guerin: jeez, nazi |
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| 23:47.42 | Vasistha | ampache =? apache |
| 23:47.56 | Guerin | !godwin |
| 23:47.56 | dpkg | Adolph Hitler or Nazis have been mentioned, the plonkings may commence now. To plonk, /ignore foo all |
| 23:47.57 | jelly-home | DWebb151: does your app need session.auto_start = 1 ? |
| 23:47.58 | DWebb151 | ampache is the music server program |
| 23:48.06 | Guerin | !lose wifioh |
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| 23:48.06 | dpkg | wifioh: You Lose. |
| 23:48.08 | DWebb151 | not quite sure jelly |
| 23:48.18 | dn4 | whoa just discovered Maxima |
| 23:48.23 | dn4 | http://maxima.sourceforge.net/ <-- does the trick |
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| 23:48.48 | DWebb151 | but i did read taht auto-start = 1 is not safe, is that wrong? |
| 23:49.00 | Vasistha | dn4: fyi maxima is in debian |
| 23:49.02 | wifioh | dn4: anything short of mathematica or maple usually does make the cut imho. i wish foss would catch up. i'd help program it all if i knew the high level mathematics and had that much free time |
| 23:49.05 | jelly-home | DWebb151: might be true |
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| 23:49.40 | jelly-home | wifioh: time isn't free ;-) |
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| 23:49.48 | dn4 | Vasistha, WOOT! |
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| 23:49.57 | juice` | any idea what should i install in x-windows to be able to change refresh rates? |
| 23:50.07 | juice` | i have xorg+gnome |
| 23:50.11 | Guerin | juice`: you can't change refresh on the fly |
| 23:50.18 | wifioh | jelly-home: which is a perfect segway to me asking how to get my problem solved and consequently save me time ;) |
| 23:50.36 | wifioh | so i run checkinstall to create a debian package right... does it and correspondingly, debian packages in general, need a release entry? or can i just have a version? i hate seeing 0.11-1 when i really mean 0.11 |
| 23:50.36 | juice` | i can't? why? |
| 23:50.36 | Guerin | juice`: you need to configure it in xorg.conf |
| 23:50.36 | Vasistha | juice`: you probably need to edit your xorg.con... |
| 23:50.36 | Vasistha | !drxx |
| 23:50.36 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 23:50.36 | amphi | segway? heh |
| 23:50.36 | juice` | oh :( well ok |
| 23:50.42 | juice` | some configurator maybe? |
| 23:50.53 | Vasistha | juice`: yeah, read what dpkg said up there |
| 23:51.00 | Guerin | juice`: if you set up sufficient modes in xorg.conf you can use xrandr to select different ones |
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| 23:51.16 | Caelum | if I increment a physical MAC address by one, what are the chances there's another machine on my network with that MAC... |
| 23:51.19 | jelly-home | wifioh: if it's not a debian original it's good to have -xxx version |
| 23:51.33 | Guerin | !htfswk Caelum |
| 23:51.33 | dpkg | Caelum: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 23:51.35 | Vasistha | Caelum: pretty unlikely, but who knows? |
| 23:51.45 | DWebb151 | lol |
| 23:51.50 | Caelum | heh |
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| 23:51.56 | wifioh | jelly-home: well i know that, but trust me, the way i have it setup, i need to not have that in there |
| 23:52.25 | wifioh | jelly-home: i've got custom scripts and i don't want to have to write a wrapper layer for apt or anything insane like that. would you happen to know the direct answer to my question? |
| 23:52.46 | jelly-home | wifioh: unpack, edit the control file, put it back? |
| 23:52.48 | sobersabre | hi. I'm checking about a storage solution. |
| 23:52.52 | mango | Guerin: You are a star, thank you , thank you man:) |
| 23:52.59 | sobersabre | I need about a TB of it. |
| 23:53.07 | sobersabre | maybe a 1.5TB |
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| 23:53.33 | wols | congratulations sobersabre |
| 23:53.38 | sobersabre | need something that will allow me to replace a hard disk if it fails ( some kind of RAID |
| 23:53.43 | wifioh | jelly-home: this is being configured from source. checkinstall has a parameter for pkgrelease, but i'm wondering if it's absolutely necessary for apt |
| 23:53.49 | eldowan | Caelum: the MAC address is a 48 bit hex number. so it shouldn't be too hard to do the simple math to make the hex->dec and that is your answer 1/<total macs> |
| 23:53.51 | sobersabre | wols thanks for the congratulations. |
| 23:53.53 | jelly-home | wifioh: it's not |
| 23:54.01 | eldowan | Caelum: not accounting for non used addresses |
| 23:54.03 | wifioh | jelly-home: thank you very much :) |
| 23:54.17 | sobersabre | anyways, I can see quite big disks on the market - 0.5 TB |
| 23:54.36 | sobersabre | I don't see many ready storage boxes. |
| 23:54.40 | wols | sobersabre: can you come to your point, or rather question mark? :) |
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| 23:55.05 | sobersabre | I remember working 5 years ago with a SCSI attached box with RAID in it. |
| 23:55.28 | jelly-home | sobersabre: what do you need, NAS, SAN, DAS? :-) |
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| 23:56.04 | wols | jelly-home: he needs a course "how to get to the point faster" |
| 23:56.20 | sobersabre | wols sorry. |
| 23:56.23 | tonka | vasistah, enouf: ln -T /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libgnashplugin.so libgnashplugin.so in the /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins folder solved it |
| 23:56.37 | tonka | just to let you know |
| 23:56.37 | sobersabre | I need network attached storage. |
| 23:56.46 | tonka | !beer |
| 23:56.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 23:56.53 | tuvwx | sobersabre, get a linksys nslu2 |
| 23:56.55 | Vasistha | tonka: good job! |
| 23:57.00 | sobersabre | I have only 1Gb link |
| 23:57.12 | tonka | vasistha: ironically or serious? |
| 23:57.18 | Vasistha | sersly |
| 23:57.42 | wols | tuvwx: how will a nslu2 give him 1TB storage, possibly 2? |
| 23:57.45 | wols | RAID even |
| 23:58.09 | tuvwx | wols, with a usb hub and a dozen hard drives ;) |
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| 23:58.27 | wols | over usb? ha ha |
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| 23:58.40 | robin_sz | well, USB2 maybe ... |
| 23:58.45 | Vasistha | robin_sz: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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| 23:58.54 | wols | sobersabre: why did you come here? it's awfully fascinating that you need a RAID NAS but: who cares? |
| 23:58.56 | juice` | ok, how to change refresh rate in Xorg? Xorg.conf doesnt have anything useful. only two options for Vertical and Horizontal, which if i change them, doesnt do anything |
| 23:59.00 | jelly-home | sobersabre: at the cheap end, you can use a 2U server with 8 SATA disks, a couple of PCIe controllers and softraid |
| 23:59.09 | wols | robin_sz: not usb2. if one insists, firewire maybe. not usb2 |
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| 23:59.22 | juice` | i'm sure there is gtk based configurator for Xorg |
| 23:59.22 | jelly-home | sobersabre: this isn't really a #debian question though |
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| 23:59.31 | juice` | dpkg-reconfigure Xorg doesnt work |
| 23:59.33 | wols | jelly-home: disks are at 500GB now easily |
| 23:59.35 | Caelum | ok, macchanger makes random macs |
| 23:59.35 | sobersabre | jelly-home, whom do you suggest me to ask ? :) |
| 23:59.38 | robin_sz | Vasistha, nah, looked at that .. that seems ot be Debian for Windows XP, or will the XP version work on Vista? |
| 23:59.40 | tuvwx | of course usb2 |
| 23:59.41 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 23:59.41 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 23:59.43 | Vasistha | juice`: you have to restart X for the changes to have any effect ... and be careful with those numbers! |
| 23:59.49 | Azar | Debian is Great!!! I got my DST changed with the new 2007 rules! |
| 23:59.54 | jelly-home | sobersabre: #hardware, perhaps. Google. |
| 23:59.54 | Tenkawa | Any of you ever seen a debian box pingable but not able to accept an incoming connection until you login on the console? |
| 23:59.54 | tuvwx | who uses disks over usb1!! |
| 23:59.56 | juice` | Vasistha: i did that, no effect |
| 23:59.56 | DWebb151 | lol |
