| 00:00.10 | robin_sz | wols, you know, I have 3 machines with firewaire and never yet found anything to connect to them ... |
| 00:00.10 | sobersabre | I mean what chan is better targetted than this one ? |
| 00:00.14 | wols | tuvwx: who uses disks ovre usb at all? |
| 00:00.15 | DWebb151 | my hard disk pimps itself on the corner for crack |
| 00:00.16 | Vasistha | juice`: did you also try the krandrtray ? |
| 00:00.33 | juice` | Vasistha:no, whats that? |
| 00:00.35 | eldowan | wols: I use discs over usb |
| 00:00.35 | wols | robin_sz: buy more camcorders. but even they use usb now... :( |
| 00:00.37 | jelly-home | wols: disks over usb? someone who has a laptop. |
| 00:00.41 | juice` | ok i will try |
| 00:00.55 | sobersabre | jelly-home, what can be better ? |
| 00:00.59 | wols | robin_sz: for disks firewire is better e.g. due to latency and sustained data rate |
| 00:01.06 | robin_sz | wols, to be fair, USB2 high speed thingy is *failry* fast ... |
| 00:01.12 | robin_sz | latency .. yeah |
| 00:01.16 | robin_sz | got it |
| 00:01.19 | juice` | root@backup:~# apt-cache search krandrtray |
| 00:01.20 | juice` | root@backup:~# |
| 00:01.22 | juice` | no luck |
| 00:01.23 | sobersabre | than a 2U pizza with 8 SATA disks ... ? |
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| 00:01.26 | wols | robin_sz: not fast enough for a RAID. a single disk can saturate it now |
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| 00:01.29 | tuvwx | wols, it's faster than ethernet |
| 00:01.37 | jelly-home | sobersabre: a decent hardware raid controller in the box, a ready-made NAS box, ...? |
| 00:01.41 | wols | tuvwx: gbit? |
| 00:01.52 | sobersabre | let's say a NAS box |
| 00:01.58 | Vasistha | juice`: I guess it's part of a kde utils package... |
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| 00:02.09 | tuvwx | wols, fast ethernet (100Mbps), at least.. |
| 00:02.11 | juice` | i have gnome anyways |
| 00:02.23 | juice` | trying to make this debian similar to ubuntu... |
| 00:02.25 | robin_sz | fibrechannel! |
| 00:02.27 | sobersabre | I mean the last time I had to search for this was so long ago. |
| 00:02.32 | lotus-blade | is there any way to uninstall ipv6? I can not get any of my servers to work with it installed |
| 00:02.43 | juice` | to help someone with some problems.. anyways.. any idea how to change Xorg options? |
| 00:02.49 | juice` | editing doesnt do anything |
| 00:03.07 | sobersabre | juice` there are 2 important things about "changing Xorg options" |
| 00:03.09 | juice` | i changed 41-60 to 41-80 and i still see refresh rate 60 after restart |
| 00:03.13 | sobersabre | 1. reading error messages |
| 00:03.23 | sobersabre | 2. writing good settings in the proper location |
| 00:03.27 | robin_sz | right ... and what did you expect? |
| 00:03.41 | wols | tuvwx: I meant gbit ethernet is faster than simple usb.... duh |
| 00:03.43 | robin_sz | juice`, is 60 in the range 41 to 60? |
| 00:03.57 | juice` | sobersabre: could you tell me where i can find some configurator for it? i'm pretty sure there was one |
| 00:04.02 | robin_sz | juice`, is 60 in the range 41 to 80 also? |
| 00:04.03 | jelly-home | sobersabre: I'm sorry I can't be of more help, last time I needed a cheap box I got a 2U server ;-) |
| 00:04.14 | tuvwx | wols, yeah.. i got that. i meant usb2 is faster than fast ethernet.. duh |
| 00:04.16 | sobersabre | juice` the right conf is written in your display's manual. |
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| 00:04.23 | nn-firedragon | im having a tun of trubble trying to workout a nvidia card join me at srv256.homelinux.net to work it out ;;;; #nv |
| 00:04.28 | juice` | robin_sz: thats why i ask how to change refresh rate of my desktop |
| 00:04.46 | juice` | robin_sz: i dont ask about this specific variable. just a way to change my actual refresh rate |
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| 00:05.04 | jelly-home | juice`: do you have a CRT? |
| 00:05.07 | juice` | yes |
| 00:05.17 | wols | sobersabre: I still don't get how this is a debian question |
| 00:05.26 | jelly-home | juice`: good. else you wouldn't need to change the refresh rate ;-) |
| 00:05.26 | juice` | and radeon 1950 pro, this might cause some trobules |
| 00:05.31 | wols | and anyways, it's pretty much impossible to help you since oyu don't even know what you want |
| 00:05.34 | juice` | ;) |
| 00:05.37 | juice` | i know |
| 00:05.43 | wols | juice`: vesa drivers? |
| 00:05.46 | robin_sz | juice`, you'll need to find the specific line and frame rate for the resiltuon you are trying to achieve from the monitor manual for a start |
| 00:05.47 | sobersabre | wols this is an [OT] question. yet, it is an acceptable OT. do you disagree ? |
| 00:05.58 | juice` | wols: yes:( are there any specific ones? |
| 00:06.03 | Caelum | what's the standard DPI setting, 96? |
| 00:06.09 | wols | yes I disagree. it's not an accepatble OT question since there are no acceptable ones |
| 00:06.13 | wols | #hardware |
| 00:06.20 | tuvwx | do i need to use any options with grub-install if in a chroot? |
| 00:06.21 | wols | juice`: for your card only ati |
| 00:06.23 | jelly-home | Caelum: 75, or 100. |
| 00:06.28 | wols | !tell juice` about fglrx |
| 00:06.29 | sobersabre | wols I have tried that one. |
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| 00:06.41 | juice` | robin_sz: come on, on every other linux distribution i just click change from 60 to 80 and thats it, and here i have to 'look in the manual' of my 10 years of monitor? |
| 00:06.43 | Caelum | jelly-home: I was using 120 which is too big, thanks |
| 00:06.44 | wols | !tell sobersabre they don't know |
| 00:06.51 | wols | !tell sobersabre about they don't know |
| 00:06.55 | juice` | robin_sz: of course not. im sure there is another way |
| 00:07.07 | sobersabre | wols :) |
| 00:07.55 | robin_sz | juice`, well, I have never had a distro that diod that ... Ive had several ... kde/mandrake, redhat, debians, slackware ... but, if you say its possible ... |
| 00:07.58 | juice` | wols:thanks |
| 00:08.50 | jelly-home | juice`: if it worked, the refresh rate could be changed with xrandr |
| 00:09.04 | juice` | this is the gnome-thingy to change res? |
| 00:09.15 | jelly-home | juice`: no, xorg thingy |
| 00:09.37 | juice` | ok, but i guess i know what is it. so my problem is that i dont have specific radeon drivers |
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| 00:10.25 | jelly-home | juice`: so, the first step is to use the correct driver? |
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| 00:10.29 | robin_sz | juice .. you have Gnome??? |
| 00:10.30 | gpm | hey guys, how can i recursively find all non-mp3 files? |
| 00:11.00 | jelly-home | gpm: find . -type f |grep -vi '\.mp3$' ? :-) |
| 00:11.08 | robin_sz | juice`, in gnome, from menu bar on top, Desktop->preferences->Screen Resolution ... |
| 00:11.14 | gpm | jelly-home: thanks! |
| 00:11.31 | Vasistha | juice`: hey, look at that ... there's a gnome-randr-applet package |
| 00:11.45 | juice` | of course, but it shows 60 only |
| 00:11.48 | gpm | jelly-home: just curious, is there a way to do that without using the v switch in grep (ie, a way to make the regex say anything.NOTmp3)? |
| 00:12.12 | juice` | so my problem was/is with drivers. installing fglrx-driver now |
| 00:12.23 | Vasistha | juice`: but yeah ... if your prefs are only showing 60, that applet probably won't help much. sorry I spoke before reading... |
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| 00:12.32 | jelly-home | gpm: you could tell find not to match files named '*.mp3' too |
| 00:12.45 | Entheogen | hi guys, can someone tell me how can I make midi work on debian etch? |
| 00:12.58 | robin_sz | !work |
| 00:12.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
| 00:13.07 | dkr | find / -not -name "*mp3" -type f |
| 00:13.13 | rahul | load a midi driver, run a midi player. |
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| 00:13.32 | Entheogen | what midi player |
| 00:13.36 | Entheogen | and what driver? :) |
| 00:13.38 | rahul | you tell me |
| 00:13.39 | dkr | or use locate, a lot quicker than find, :) |
| 00:13.40 | Entheogen | i loaded snd-seq modules |
| 00:13.51 | Entheogen | and trying with timidity, but nothing happens |
| 00:13.53 | rahul | did you load the one for YOUR hardware? |
| 00:14.16 | Entheogen | how can I know what is the name of modules for my card? :) |
| 00:14.23 | juice` | wols: any idea which driver would be for radeon 1950 pro ? |
| 00:14.27 | jelly-home | Entheogen: you need to have a samples pack (soundfont format, for example) for timidity to work |
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| 00:14.47 | juice` | or at least, wchich one is the most generic-ati driver |
| 00:14.47 | rahul | Entheogen: google, maybe |
| 00:14.48 | Entheogen | jelly-home, can i play midis with some other midi player? |
| 00:14.52 | rahul | Entheogen: lspci, also |
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| 00:15.20 | jelly-home | Entheogen: even if you can, they need to get the intruments from _somewhere_ |
| 00:15.24 | micty | say if there are freenx debs for ubuntu can I use them on debian? |
| 00:15.33 | juice` | my lspci isnt very informative |
| 00:15.34 | Entheogen | hm |
| 00:15.39 | rahul | micty: no |
| 00:15.41 | Entheogen | where can i find those soundfonts? |
| 00:15.43 | juice` | laidback_01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7280 |
| 00:15.43 | juice` | laidback_01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 72a0 |
| 00:15.44 | Azar | micty: no packages are not the same |
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| 00:16.03 | rahul | Entheogen: apt-cache search |
| 00:16.18 | jelly-home | Entheogen: Debian has freepats, but they're not very good. I use FluidR3 soundfont (google for it) |
| 00:16.35 | lotus-blade | what are the most up to date servers for apt-get for the etch edition? |
| 00:16.44 | rahul | lotus-blade: all of them |
| 00:16.49 | micty | even if its deb? |
| 00:16.51 | Azar | lotus-blade: need to upgrade or install? |
| 00:17.00 | Entheogen | hm |
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| 00:17.00 | jelly-home | Entheogen: a smaller one is "Unison" |
| 00:17.01 | Azar | micty: yes they are not compatible |
| 00:17.01 | Entheogen | thanks |
| 00:17.02 | lotus-blade | upgrade |
| 00:17.04 | perdenab_ | i wuv debian. GAIM is running on an old emachines 366i until i fix my main linux box. a 9-year-old computer and still completely useful thanks to debian |
| 00:17.08 | Entheogen | i installed freepats |
| 00:17.12 | lotus-blade | and install a few packages |
| 00:17.14 | rahul | micty: deb is a file format. |
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| 00:17.21 | Azar | lotus-blade: better read the release notes first to make sure you gonna be ok |
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| 00:17.47 | micty | do you know if there is freenx 0.6.0 already for debian somewhere? |
| 00:17.56 | Azar | lotus-blade: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 00:18.13 | lotus-blade | already running etch, but when I update the apt-get list I get errors i finding the servers |
| 00:18.17 | Azar | micty: apt-get cache search freenx |
| 00:18.18 | lotus-blade | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgradin |
| 00:18.18 | lotus-blade | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.28 | Azar | micty: sorry: apt-cache search freenx |
| 00:18.54 | micty | Azar: does that search also what's not in my source.list? |
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| 00:18.58 | Azar | lotus-blade: what do you want to upgrade if you run etch? |
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| 00:19.21 | Azar | micty: that search will look in the repository of your Debian version to see if your package is there |
| 00:19.48 | lotus-blade | I am trying to get apache2 install with mysql5 and php5 |
| 00:19.48 | tuvwx | ok.. i think a while ago i erases my partition table and created a wrong one (looks like i edited my local disk instead of the flash memory :( ). so is there a way to restore the correct one? i still have the correct /etc/fstab and can access all my files from a boot cd chroot just fine |
| 00:19.53 | Azar | lotus-blade: ? ah |
| 00:20.12 | jelly-home | Entheogen: the problem with soundfonts and other sample sets is that their licensing and/or copyright is shady, so they can't be included in Debian |
| 00:20.19 | Azar | lotus-blade: try using aptitude instead, not sure if the latest apache is on etch? |
| 00:20.39 | Entheogen | i know |
| 00:21.04 | Azar | lotus-blade: aptitude usually brings also relatives to another package, while apt-get installs literally only what you ask for |
| 00:21.09 | Entheogen | but i installed soundfont, what now? |
| 00:21.14 | Entheogen | i mean freepats |
| 00:21.14 | rahul | Azar: what? |
| 00:21.28 | Azar | rahul: well what I read about.. |
| 00:21.29 | rahul | Azar: apt-get brings in deps, exactly as aptitude does. |
| 00:21.34 | rahul | Azar: you read wrong. |
| 00:22.09 | rahul | Azar: aptitude is more interactive if you use its UI, so you can inspect and install recommended/suggested packages or not as you choose |
| 00:22.13 | Azar | rahul: well when I did the apt-get for xfree86 was totally different on what I got by using aptitude |
| 00:22.43 | Azar | what apt-get installed was not recognized/accepted by aptitude |
| 00:22.51 | rahul | Azar: probably because you have apt-get configured differently than aptitude as far as installing recommend/suggest |
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| 00:23.00 | rahul | Azar: that's nonsense |
| 00:23.02 | tuvwx | can i read my partition information if the partition table is wrong? (partitions still exist with valid data, but fdisk reports another table) |
| 00:23.12 | rahul | Azar: they're both apt. apt-get is just more primitive. |
| 00:23.25 | Azar | rahul: yeah I remember the "reccomends" and "suggested" times when I would jot down on a paper so to use apt-get five times more |
| 00:23.28 | eldowan | tuvwx: cat will give it to you... |
| 00:23.30 | Vasistha | okay, now I'm getting suspicious of "make" ... whenever I try to make either of these modules, my whole directory gets wiped! |
| 00:23.40 | tuvwx | eldowan, cat what? |
| 00:23.57 | Azar | apt-get is good for when you only want one package ignoring the recommends |
| 00:24.04 | rahul | Azar: or not. |
| 00:24.08 | Azar | aptitude brings in all relatives you want them or not |
| 00:24.11 | eldowan | cat /dev/[s|h]d[a|b|c|...|n][1|2|3...|n] |
| 00:24.13 | rahul | Azar: wrong |
| 00:24.22 | tuvwx | i mean, i need to re-create the partition table according to actual partitions on disk |
| 00:24.22 | rahul | Azar: both bring in what they're configured to. |
| 00:24.27 | Azar | rahul: ok then you explain the difference |
| 00:24.35 | rahul | Azar: there is none in that respect. |
| 00:24.39 | eldowan | tuvwx: aah, that is a horse of a different color. No idea |
| 00:24.52 | Azar | rahul: it should so we all know once for all what's it about |
| 00:25.00 | rahul | Azar: both have two flags, one for bringing in suggests by default, one for recommends by default |
| 00:25.11 | tuvwx | eldowan, so what will cat /dev/hda1 tell me? |
| 00:25.15 | Azar | is it good to mix the commands at will? one day use apt-get the other aptitude? |
| 00:25.24 | juice` | ok i have newest drivers, but xorg is still old |
| 00:25.24 | tuvwx | eldowan, aside from a lot of garbage |
| 00:25.32 | jelly-home | tuvwx: try gpart |
| 00:25.33 | eldowan | tuvwx: cat /dev/hda1 will 'show' you the contents, basicly as you put it garbage |
| 00:25.34 | juice` | im sure there is some auto-configurator that can detect all stuff |
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| 00:25.59 | juice` | i have instaled fglrx-driver and stuff |
| 00:26.04 | rahul | Azar: aptitude has an interactive UI, tracks what's auto-installed as a dep, and is more thorough about searching for ways to resolve broken packages and allows you to choose among the different possible ways |
| 00:26.16 | rahul | Azar: apt-get is useless if you have aptitude, really |
| 00:26.21 | juice` | restarted Xorg, and looked at xorg.conf and it's still with Generic Video card |
| 00:26.35 | jelly-home | tuvwx: also parted has a "rescue" command, you can give it the approximate beginning and size of a partition and it tries to recover the p.table entry |
| 00:26.39 | Azar | rahul: why the releases recommend to users to use "aptitude" at dist-upgrade as well as at kernels upgrade ? |
| 00:26.49 | rahul | Azar: because it's smarter |
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| 00:27.00 | rahul | Azar: because of the reasons I just gave you. |
| 00:27.11 | rahul | stop firing questions and start reading answers. |
| 00:27.12 | Azar | most of users (new users) still insist on using apt-get at major upgrades.. |
| 00:27.15 | juice` | so.. who to tell x.org that i just sinatlled new drivers to my card? |
| 00:27.24 | rahul | Azar: most users use MS windows. |
| 00:27.27 | robin_sz | ok, so say I want an ecrypted patition on my laptop ... with say some sort of USB key and a password to get in ... whats a good place to start? cfs? |
| 00:27.32 | jelly-home | Azar: sucks to be them |
| 00:28.07 | Azar | rahul: those who move from MSWindows to Debian directly and use apt-get because they were just told so, will fail because nobody is telling them about aptitude |
| 00:28.11 | juice` | again... so how to tel x.org that i just installed new drivers? |
| 00:28.16 | rahul | most people think that linux is illegal. |
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| 00:28.22 | Azar | :) |
| 00:28.33 | rahul | Azar: then they should learn how to read the docs |
| 00:28.44 | Azar | yet bravo to those who try the ocean with their toes, it is a step forward |
| 00:28.50 | jelly-home | Azar: Told by whom? |
| 00:29.07 | rahul | instead of relying on random people who say random shit, they should look at what _debian_ says to do with _debian_ |
| 00:29.12 | robin_sz | Azar, some of us prefer apt-get |
| 00:29.15 | Azar | jelly-home: most I see here is "apt-get" yet rarely I see someone recommending the use of aptitude command |
| 00:29.20 | Azar | ah, ok |
| 00:29.29 | rahul | Azar: no, they're trying to dive 40 ft down into the ocean with no scuba gear. |
| 00:29.33 | jelly-home | Azar: that's what the release docs are for! |
| 00:29.53 | Azar | with the risk of getting boring myself, I will allways bring the release notes for those wanting to go to etch from sarge |
| 00:29.56 | Vasistha | juice`: maybe try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 00:30.12 | rahul | release notes are written for a reason |
| 00:30.15 | Azar | jelly-home: yep but they don't know where to find them less how they are titled |
| 00:30.39 | rahul | Azar: if they can't find the release notes, they need to learn how to use a web browser |
| 00:31.01 | Azar | rahul: anyways, do you know the DPS? I have a particular curiosity |
| 00:31.04 | jelly-home | Azar: hmm. Debian's web could probably use a refreshment, that is true |
| 00:31.10 | rahul | DPS? |
| 00:31.20 | bzed | juice`: uhm.. youv'e installed new drivers... how dod you isntall them? i hope you did not use that nvidia *shit* thing from nvidia.com or so? |
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| 00:31.31 | Azar | Deb.Pro.Secretary |
| 00:31.40 | robin_sz | bzed, nah fglrx |
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| 00:32.05 | rahul | Azar: I don't keep up with the politics |
| 00:32.13 | lotus-blade | if I use the backports server all I have to do is replace sarge with etch right? |
| 00:32.21 | Azar | rahul: just curious, I don't think so |
| 00:32.39 | Azar | lotus-blade: no, you can backport from etch to sarge |
| 00:32.40 | bzed | robin_sz: ah well then, reading docs indeed helps :) |
| 00:32.47 | Azar | lotus-blade: the package you need |
| 00:33.06 | Azar | lotus-blade: but it seems you just told us you are running etch :D |
| 00:33.08 | jelly-home | lotus-blade: no, backports don't use the "etch" mark |
| 00:33.28 | Vasistha | wols: I dunno if you looked into it at all, but it can't hurt to ask once more -- do you have any idea why "make" is deleting all the files it should be compiling? It's doing this for the proprietary rtl8180 driver as well as the open source one. |
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| 00:33.32 | Azar | lotus-blade: so make up your mind, tell us exactly what are you using |
| 00:33.48 | Azar | lotus-blade: Debian version, kernel version. |
| 00:34.11 | jplibre | rahul: off-topic, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-diving |
| 00:34.13 | jplibre | rahul: 40 ft is nothing ;) |
| 00:34.32 | jelly-home | jplibre: for a first time it bloody well is |
| 00:34.39 | Azar | good night bzed |
| 00:34.45 | bzed | n8 |
| 00:34.46 | rahul | jplibre: I know |
| 00:34.46 | dummy | ok i fdisked my hard drive lastnight instead of my flash drive so i just reinstalled im 2.6.8-3-386 i want to go to etch should i get my packages i want unde sarg and then dist upgrade of just dist-upgrade and then get the packages? |
| 00:34.50 | rahul | jplibre: I've done 40ft |
| 00:35.07 | dummy | under sarge sorry |
| 00:35.07 | jelly-home | dummy: the latter |
| 00:35.07 | rahul | jplibre: but it helps to have an apparatus unless you know how to hold your breath :) |
| 00:35.14 | Vasistha | dummy: I'd move to etch first |
| 00:35.24 | rahul | jplibre: we were talking about people jumping into the ocean for the first time |
| 00:35.40 | Azar | Vasistha: read release notes before upgrading |
| 00:35.41 | lotus-blade | I am just trying to get the latest files available. i run etch and the files I need are on backports, but I was wondering if all I needed to do in my source list is change sarge to etch in the source.list |
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| 00:35.54 | jplibre | rahul: yeah, I've been doing scuba for years, but just got into freediving a few years back ;) yeah, out of context, just saw the comment, no worries. |
| 00:35.59 | Vasistha | Azar: yeah, that's probably even better advice! |
| 00:35.59 | parsonsd | revisiting an erro from yesterday : after running the nvidia one-liner, xinit won't find GLX. *IS* GLX supported? |
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| 00:36.13 | rahul | jplibre: I've only ever done scuba in Belize. it was amazing, tho. |
| 00:36.14 | Azar | lotus-blade: if you have "sarge" in your sources list you are NOT running etch |
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| 00:36.28 | jplibre | rahul: I was on Grand Cayman when Tanya Streeter did that 160 metre dive. freaking machine, she is. |
| 00:36.30 | Azar | lotus-blade: if you want to dist-upgrade to Etch READ THE RELEASE NOTES FIRST |
| 00:36.38 | rahul | yikes. |
| 00:36.58 | Azar | Vasistha: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 00:37.10 | jplibre | rahul: the beginner stuff I' |
| 00:37.26 | jplibre | rahul: 've done is up to 30 meters |
| 00:37.28 | lotus-blade | no it is not in my list, I am running etch, but the latest files that I need are on backports. how do I use backports with etch? that is the question |
| 00:37.29 | Vasistha | dummy: ^^^ click on Azar's link |
| 00:37.32 | rahul | jplibre: cool |
| 00:37.39 | rahul | jplibre: this was actually a training dive :) |
| 00:37.48 | rahul | jplibre: it was my first time in open water |
| 00:37.56 | Azar | lotus-blade: if you have sarge in your sources you are not running etch? is that simple? |
| 00:38.14 | jplibre | rahul: mine too - all under controlled situations with experienced divers and air nearby just in case |
| 00:38.19 | rahul | yeah |
| 00:38.19 | Azar | < lotus-blade> I am just trying to get the latest files available. i run etch and the files |
| 00:38.19 | abrotman | lotus-blade: what files do you need ? |
| 00:38.22 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:38.25 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.33 | Azar | sorry |
| 00:38.35 | jplibre | rahul: I just like scuba, I couldn't imagine not being able to have that experience. what a blast. |
| 00:38.41 | rahul | jplibre: indeed |
| 00:38.42 | Azar | lotus-blade: see what you wrote in the last line |
| 00:38.53 | lotus-blade | mysql5 is in backports and not in the etch files according to apt-get |
| 00:39.16 | dummy | thank you guys |
| 00:39.22 | Vasistha | lotus-blade: I'm pretty sure backports is designed to make newer packages work with stable, not testing. So I kinda doubt backports will generally work with etch. Perhaps you want a mixed testing/unstable system? |
| 00:39.36 | jelly-home | !info mysql-server etch |
| 00:39.45 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server (meta package depending on the latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.32-7 (etch), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 00:40.00 | jelly-home | that looks like mysql5 in etch to me |
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| 00:40.05 | parsonsd | stupid question: if etch was supposed to have been frozen, why is synaptic telling me that gtkpod will be removed? |
| 00:40.13 | abrotman | lotus-blade: that's not true at all .. |
| 00:40.26 | Azar | hello honorable abrotman |
| 00:40.30 | abrotman | hi |
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| 00:40.58 | jelly-home | lotus-blade: you might be misreading the output. Pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server" |
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| 00:42.00 | jelly-home | parsonsd: packages deemed not good enough for release can be removed from frozen |
| 00:42.48 | abrotman | or it's incompatible with something coming in |
| 00:42.53 | abrotman | !info gtkpod etch |
| 00:42.56 | dpkg | gtkpod: (manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod), section sound, is extra. Version: 0.99.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 493 kB, Installed size: 1996 kB |
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| 00:46.09 | enouf | tuvwx: was readin the backscroll and jumped way down to say this (though it's likely too late, and useless info), but sfdisk -d /dev/XXXX will save your disk partition layout that can easily be reimported |
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| 00:46.41 | enouf | erm .. /dev/xxx (no partition ordering) |
| 00:47.14 | lotus-blade | nevermind, I got it, I just did anouther update and it worked |
| 00:49.00 | enouf | <robin_sz> ok, so say I want an ecrypted patition on my laptop ... with say some sort of USB key and a password to get in ... whats a good place to start? cfs? <-- start at pendrivelinux.{com.net} ..then ask me more :-) I have some bookmarks laying around here somewhere |
| 00:49.29 | enouf | !self-conversation-smite enouf |
| 00:49.40 | enouf | bah |
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| 00:50.32 | enouf | dpkg: say "I'll kick your @ss debhelper" |
| 00:50.33 | dpkg | "I'll kick your @ss debhelper" |
| 00:50.40 | enouf | :-p |
| 00:50.53 | Azar | hehe hello mister enouf |
| 00:51.02 | robin_sz | enouf, i dont wan the data on the usb stick, just the encryptions key |
| 00:51.05 | enouf | Azar: liking aptitude yet? .. lol |
| 00:51.22 | enouf | robin_sz: ok .. hrm .. |
| 00:51.22 | Azar | enouf: more than that: addicted to it |
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| 00:51.50 | Azar | since its developer replied to my e-mail I feel so blessed |
| 00:51.56 | enouf | robin_sz: have you seen that url at all? |
| 00:52.14 | enouf | Azar: hey! .. I want one! |
| 00:52.21 | enouf | :-) |
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| 00:52.31 | Azar | enouf: fill a bug and you will get yours too |
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| 00:52.39 | enouf | Azar: sadly i hate email though :-( |
| 00:52.53 | enouf | Azar: I have on occassion |
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| 00:52.58 | enouf | erm -s |
| 00:53.02 | Azar | I hate my mof |
| 00:53.06 | JordiGH | Is there a way for linker errors after compiling with gcc display absolute pathnames instead of all this ../../../../ ETC nonsense? |
| 00:53.06 | Azar | mom* |
| 00:53.25 | enouf | Azar: um .. move out? |
| 00:53.33 | robin_sz | enouf looking ..... |
| 00:53.34 | robin_sz | ... |
| 00:53.56 | Azar | enouf: I am out but she keeps calling/visiting me exactly when I start studying or a project |
| 00:53.59 | JordiGH | Is this a Debian-specific thing, or should I ask in #gnu or #gcc or something? |
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| 00:54.18 | abrotman | JordiGH: yes .. ask #gcc or #gnu |
| 00:54.23 | enouf | robin_sz: ok ..i'll it the bookmarks for ya then too ;-) |
| 00:54.25 | Azar | JordiGH: Debian specific is when you use a deb package, not compiling stuff on your own? |
| 00:54.26 | abrotman | or maybe even #c |
| 00:54.44 | Toba|BSD | on this debian box, xorg seems to be ignoring changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:54.56 | JordiGH | Azar: Some of us actually write and compile our own code in Debian. :-) |
| 00:55.04 | Toba|BSD | added a second screen etc and put it to the right of the original |
| 00:55.07 | robin_sz | enouf, I dont really see how its relevant to what i want to do though |
| 00:55.10 | Toba|BSD | but it's ignoring the new setup and using the old one |
| 00:55.15 | robin_sz | nice site though |
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| 00:55.23 | Azar | Toba|BSD: if you want to change stuff in xorg, use dpkg-reconfigure rather than overwriting/modifying the file itself |
| 00:55.39 | Toba|BSD | azar, dpkg-reconfigure doesn't DO multimonitor |
| 00:55.42 | Toba|BSD | last time I checke |
| 00:55.43 | agent | KDE does not show non-Latin characters, yet all other applications, including the terminal, do. env shows UTF8 as LANG. What should be changed in KDE to fix this? Tried changing default KDE fonts and it does not help. :( |
| 00:55.44 | Toba|BSD | d |
| 00:55.51 | enouf | robin_sz: just something http://feraga.com/node/94 / haven't looked lately at the details though |
| 00:55.58 | Toba|BSD | or has it changed since I last used it? |
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| 00:56.11 | Azar | Toba|BSD: read the header of the file see what it tells you |
| 00:56.47 | Azar | some warnings must be there.. |
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| 00:57.04 | enouf | robin_sz: and old standby http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch07s02.html |
| 00:57.12 | enouf | er an* |
| 00:57.36 | Toba|BSD | it appears to be not finding fonts, erroring out, and using an auto-generated configuration |
| 00:57.42 | Toba|BSD | does that sound like normal xorg behaviour? |
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| 00:58.30 | tuvwx | jelly-home, thanks for the hint. gpart is exactly what i need |
| 00:58.53 | tuvwx | enouf, gpart seems to work even when it's too late :) |
| 00:59.00 | robin_sz | enouf, thanks dude |
| 00:59.28 | tuvwx | now, how do i know whether a package is in the testing netinst image, or any other cd image for that matter? |
| 00:59.46 | enouf | robin_sz: maybe. just maybe more here http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_System_Encryption_DM-Crypt_with_LUKS search/find the term "key" |
| 01:00.11 | enouf | tuvwx: gparted is amazing aint it? ;-) |
| 01:00.15 | enouf | + ' |
| 01:00.23 | tuvwx | enouf, actually it's gpart, not gparted |
| 01:00.31 | enouf | tuvwx: ahhh |
| 01:00.43 | enouf | tuvwx: the GNU parted |
| 01:00.44 | tuvwx | enouf, gpart scans for partitions in the disk, not from the partition table |
| 01:01.07 | enouf | tuvwx: oh .. righto .. I got it here somewhere |
| 01:01.34 | tuvwx | enouf, then the output of gpart can be used in parted to correct the situation |
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| 01:02.35 | enouf | tuvwx: right an ensuing fsck is needed |
| 01:03.01 | enouf | tuvwx: I never save the URL, since it was "old" |
| 01:03.05 | enouf | +d |
| 01:03.22 | enouf | it "guesstimates" |
| 01:03.29 | tuvwx | now, how do i know whether a package is in the testing netinst image, or any other cd image for that matter? |
| 01:03.41 | enouf | !cd contents |
| 01:03.41 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 01:04.11 | enouf | !one-trick-pony me |
| 01:04.20 | enouf | bah |
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| 01:04.29 | wols | Vasistha: remove the entries under "clean" for starters |
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| 01:04.57 | wols | Vasistha: and this makefile is kinda qweird: it never calls cc but it does call the kernel makefile |
| 01:05.39 | tuvwx | i think cd contents should be published somewhere in the debian website! |
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| 01:05.55 | odix | ahhh |
| 01:05.57 | Vasistha | wols: well... I removed everything under "clean:" (except of course the modules lines) ... and it still does the same thing. |
| 01:06.02 | odix | anyone installed java right ? |
| 01:06.08 | odix | apt-get gets me packages not found |
| 01:06.22 | tuvwx | odix, aptitude update first |
| 01:06.35 | jetscreamer | !find java |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | !install java |
| 01:06.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 01:07.18 | Azar | tuvwx: useless, once you install a Debian version apt gets packages "for that version" from its assigned repository, if a package is not found in that repository means might be on another version or not in debian at all |
| 01:07.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'java' (8 of 38): (/usr/bin/javacc) in devel/javacc ;; (/usr/bin/dh_javadoc) in devel/gjdoc ;; (/usr/bin/texifyjava) in utils/texify ;; (/usr/bin/java2html) in web/java2html ;; (/usr/bin/java_count) in devel/sloccount ;; (/etc/eclipse/java_home) in devel/eclipse ;; (/usr/bin/slice2java) in devel/slice2java ;; (/usr/bin/autodia_java.pl) in x11/autodia. |
| 01:08.14 | tvynr | Hello, all. Is it possible for me to give a specific user the right to open raw sockets on my Debian system? I'm trying to run a fakechroot for development purposes and I can't use the ping program (or virtually any other networking operation) within it with the user account's default settings. |
| 01:08.31 | Azar | tuvwx: to know if the package you want is in your Debian version repository: apt-cache search "packagename" |
| 01:08.37 | odix | apt-get install sun-java5-jdk gives me package not found |
| 01:08.59 | tuvwx | Azar, that's not what i want to know. i want to pinpoint the cd on which a particular package is |
| 01:09.28 | Azar | tuvwx: you do not have an internet connection? CDs might contain "old" packages |
| 01:09.34 | tuvwx | Azar, if apt knows about it then it must have scanned the cd -> i have the cd. i don't |
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| 01:10.01 | Azar | tuvwx: if you have an internet connection you do not need the CD |
| 01:10.18 | abrotman | odix: do you have contrib sources ? |
| 01:10.28 | hatter | I have just found a weird problem on someones box. the 'root' group is now 'r -ot' through the entire tree, an apt update uses this 'r -ot' group also, any ideas on how to change them all back ? |
| 01:10.30 | odix | ya |
| 01:10.33 | tuvwx | Azar, obviously |
| 01:10.36 | wols | Vasistha: then it does it from the kernel makefiles for some reason : |
| 01:10.38 | wols | :( |
| 01:10.38 | odix | i got the rpm bin and .bin |
| 01:10.43 | Azar | tuvwx: so you do not have a connection? |
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| 01:11.00 | wols | Vasistha: make -f Makefile26 |
| 01:11.23 | Vasistha | wols: ...same result :P |
| 01:11.33 | wols | fsck! |
| 01:11.52 | Azar | tuvwx: if you HAVE an internet connection and the package you want is NON-FREE you need to modify your /sources.list |
| 01:11.59 | Vasistha | yeah, really! but... I mean, is it possible this is some kinda weird bug in the ... debian .. kernel module Makefiles? |
| 01:12.16 | odix | why so complicated ? |
| 01:12.17 | wols | Vasistha: no. I use a vanilla kernel source. same thing |
| 01:12.18 | Vasistha | I don't even know the right words to refer to ... something I completely don't understand |
| 01:12.18 | tuvwx | Azar, 1) sometimes i don't (on another site). 2) i have a disconnected machine that i cannot get online |
| 01:12.30 | odix | i need it to run a program and i can get it to install |
| 01:12.35 | odix | cant* |
| 01:12.37 | Azar | tuvwx: ah I see |
| 01:12.52 | samuk | i had my wireless card set up under ndiswrapper, i upgraded the kernel and now it will not work under either the new or the old kernel... is this just co-incidence? |
| 01:12.55 | Vasistha | wols: yeah? Well, the only change I've made to the otherwise vanilla kernel source, is commenting out a psmouse_reset. |
| 01:13.11 | abrotman | oh god . not that |
| 01:13.35 | enouf | robin_sz: dunno if yu got here yet from a link but http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=EncryptedVarWithUSBKey |
| 01:13.36 | Vasistha | samuk: depends how you define "coincidence". and "is". |
| 01:14.52 | wols | I didn't make any changes at all. 2.6.20.1 |
| 01:15.16 | samuk | Ok another question - what would be the first step towards troubleshooting this problem? |
| 01:15.43 | wols | samuk: have you regenerated your ndiswrapper for your new kernel? |
| 01:15.44 | justin | samuk: reinstall ndiswrapper |
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| 01:16.15 | tuvwx | enouf, you might want to update the 'cd contents' factoid to remove the misleading 'template' word from there |
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| 01:16.56 | abrotman | odix: are you on sarge or etch/sid ? |
| 01:17.11 | tuvwx | is the debian livecd usable yet? |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | ask them ... |
| 01:18.06 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 01:18.07 | dpkg | methinks livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 01:19.48 | enouf | tuvwx: thanks .. I'll see |
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| 01:20.05 | enouf | tuvwx: does anyone see out of date info here? http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 01:20.23 | Azar | tuvwx: the way I remember in order to view and select packages from the CDs at install time "tasksel" is used, I never picked that option there are TONS of packages and did not want to spend time with it |
| 01:20.30 | abrotman | odix: ? |
| 01:20.44 | odix | im trying synaptics |
| 01:20.47 | Azar | enouf: am I wrong with that? |
| 01:21.26 | Azar | tuvwx: I allways used only the first CD base install and never asked for more packages during install |
| 01:21.30 | enouf | Azar: no cluye.. never used jigdo yet ;-) |
| 01:21.41 | Azar | yea me either |
| 01:21.49 | agent | enouf: What is so "out of date"? It talks about jigdo, gives links to stable and testing files. |
| 01:21.52 | tuvwx | Azar, apparently gpart is not on the first cd |
| 01:21.57 | enouf | !abrotmoo |
| 01:21.58 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 01:22.10 | abrotman | i didn't do anything! |
| 01:22.15 | tuvwx | enouf, that webpage is amazing |
| 01:22.18 | abrotman | odix: are you on sarge or etch/sid ? |
| 01:22.21 | Azar | tuvwx: you might be right if you talk about etch... I haven't had the chance to see etch CD yet |
| 01:22.38 | odix | arbotman, i dont do drugs. |
| 01:22.45 | Azar | hahaha |
| 01:22.49 | karsten | Is it possible to configure dwww to _not_ split GNU info docs into seperate pages but to present them as just one? |
| 01:22.51 | Azar | LOG THAT PLEASE |
| 01:22.56 | odix | its a joke ;p |
| 01:23.00 | enouf | agent: someone compalined about the dpkg factoid "cd contents" containing an obsolete/mistaken .template file entry |
| 01:23.04 | odix | but go ahead and log it |
| 01:23.10 | enouf | agent: that someone id tuvwx |
| 01:23.13 | enouf | is |
| 01:23.20 | odix | arbotman, i acutally have no idea what your talking about |
| 01:23.40 | agent | enouf: But what does this have to do with the jigdo debian page? |
| 01:23.47 | abrotman | odix: in your sources .. are oyu pointing at sarge/stable/etch/testing .. what ? |
| 01:23.54 | Azar | odix: Debian is so wonderful to offer its users Three Versions: stable-sarge / testing-etch / unstable-sid |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | odix: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:23.58 | enouf | agent: Why is .template mentioned if it doesn't exist? |
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| 01:24.23 | enouf | agent: why wouldn't the main page say "something" abnout it? |
| 01:24.36 | Vasistha | wols: I'm pretty much ready to give up on this for the day. Any other bright ideas before I go? |
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| 01:24.50 | agent | odix: Ok, I still have no idea what you are talking about. I just search the page you linked for "template" and 0 results. |
| 01:24.52 | Azar | :) |
| 01:24.57 | Azar | sorry he left |
| 01:25.00 | enouf | agent: precisely |
| 01:25.16 | enouf | !tell agent -about cd contents |
| 01:25.23 | wols | not reall.y :( |
| 01:25.24 | tuvwx | enouf, hey.. i did not complain about obsolete or mistaken entries. i complained that it mentioned .jigdo template while there are .jigdo and .template files. i just thought it is somewhat confusing and the word template should be removed |
| 01:25.44 | enouf | tuvwx: then make yourself CLEAR dsammit! ;-) |
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| 01:26.01 | Vasistha | wols: alright, I think I'll probably look for some kind of mailing list to post to. thanks for tryin' |
| 01:26.27 | enouf | !tell tuvwx -about edit the bot |
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| 01:27.20 | enouf | that's a newbie dpkg entry ;-) |
| 01:27.23 | agent | enouf: Ok, I see your point. But last time I used jigdo (few months ago), template file was not needed to use the jigdo file because jigdo will automatically download it. But yes, you are correct that it should be mentioned on there. |
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| 01:27.29 | pipegeek | I'm wondering if I ought to file a bug against the coreutils documentation with respect to dd. Nowhere is it mentioned that dd will always truncate the output file to 0 (even in append mode), and, if you don't specify conv=notrunc when appending, you only find out your error via a warning that is printed while dd is running and overwriting your file |
| 01:27.37 | enouf | but it's all the coourstesy of stew |
| 01:27.52 | abrotman | enouf: what is ? |
| 01:28.01 | enouf | to many typos to fix :-P |
| 01:28.05 | enouf | too |
| 01:28.12 | enouf | abrotman: look up |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | enouf: we really shouldn't do that .. we'll end up with all kinds of garbage in the bot |
| 01:28.20 | pipegeek | Am I wrong in thinking this is a little bad? I know the tool itself is 30 years old and unlikely to change, but the documentation certainly could be a lot clearer about this vital point |
| 01:28.35 | enouf | abrotman: ok .. great delete it you whimp |
| 01:28.41 | abrotman | wimp |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | enouf: are you going to clean them up? |
| 01:28.56 | enouf | no whimpie, as in burger |
| 01:29.11 | eldowan | popeye! |
| 01:29.46 | samuk | this ndiswrapper is still not playing nice.. could anyone take a look please? http://pastebin.ca/384408 |
| 01:30.00 | enouf | abrotman: I actually put it there so "I" can learn/recall .. but whatever ..stew (and I agree) promotes FOSS editing :-P |
| 01:30.15 | abrotman | enouf: and vandalism :) |
| 01:30.20 | eldowan | samuk: what wireless card are you trying to get working? |
| 01:30.30 | enouf | abrotman: i see/hear/know your points |
| 01:30.46 | enouf | please take off the tinfoil ;-) |
| 01:30.59 | abrotman | then we get crap like |
| 01:31.08 | abrotman | <dpkg> well, public key | this is NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg flood | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Stable Release GPG key: /msg dpkg SRM-key |
| 01:31.14 | enouf | abrotman: ok .. leemmeee change it |
| 01:31.29 | pipegeek | maybe I'm just nuts |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | i already deleted it :) |
| 01:31.34 | samuk | one that has previously worked with that driver - i will check biab |
| 01:31.44 | enouf | abrotman: to something SO obscure/obfiscated that only I know what it is ;-P |
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| 01:31.55 | abrotman | oh .. much better ... |
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| 01:33.00 | enouf | !forget edit thebot |
| 01:33.00 | dpkg | enouf: i didn't have anything called 'edit thebot' to forget |
| 01:33.07 | enouf | !forget edit the bot |
| 01:33.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:33.07 | dpkg | enouf: i forgot edit the bot |
| 01:33.32 | enouf | abrotman: NOW ..it's my secret .. mwahahahaha! |
| 01:33.39 | simon360 | is there a command to select the fastest apt-get servers? |
| 01:33.49 | abrotman | apt-spy |
| 01:33.59 | abrotman | enouf: i bet i can find it :) |
| 01:34.00 | simon360 | awesome, thanks |
| 01:34.15 | abrotman | enouf: etb |
| 01:34.45 | simon360 | I was getting 2 KB/s :P |
| 01:34.58 | enouf | abrotman: hey .. no pulling that donater ranks on me shit now ;-0 |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:35.24 | enouf | dpkg: kick abrotman in the balls |
| 01:35.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:35.56 | krazykit | badgers: kick enouf |
| 01:35.59 | eldowan | abrotman: do you have multiple sets of balls? |
| 01:36.06 | abrotman | eldowan: yes ... |
| 01:36.07 | samuk | eldowan: this is a page about the laptop/card i cannot find the exact model details just now http://vale.homelinux.net/wordpress/?p=106 i do know that it was working with this driver earlier this month... |
| 01:36.10 | enouf | %where's sussudio |
| 01:36.31 | enouf | %help me badgers |
| 01:36.48 | enouf | you beaver baitch |
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| 01:37.25 | eldowan | samuk: I've heard that the broadcomm driver provided by HP is a good driver to use with ndis. I'm not sure if thats the one you are using. |
| 01:37.44 | eldowan | samuk: regardless, I've never been able to get a bcm wireless chip to work. :( |
| 01:38.24 | enouf | only after I do a; |
| 01:38.34 | enouf | !penixsmite krazykit |
| 01:38.47 | enouf | whoops .. a dud? .. lol |
| 01:38.48 | krazykit | oh noes |
| 01:38.59 | rahul | !penixstrike krazykit |
| 01:38.59 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking krazykit to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:39.02 | enouf | someone deleted rahul ? |
| 01:39.04 | rahul | it's a strike |
| 01:39.09 | enouf | ahhh .. |
| 01:39.21 | rahul | it comes from the heavens and strikes you down |
| 01:39.27 | enouf | there we go ;-) |
| 01:39.28 | krazykit | of course. |
| 01:39.37 | krazykit | that makes tons of sense >_> |
| 01:39.37 | samuk | I am tempted to try the 2.6.20 kernel it would work without ndiswrapper http://www.puchalla-online.de/nx6325.html |
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| 01:39.48 | enouf | roflmao |
| 01:40.13 | eldowan | samuk: luck to you. if you get it working, please drop by and let me know if the .20 kernel does the trick. |
| 01:40.47 | samuk | hmm not even in unstable... I am not sure how i would install it |
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| 01:41.26 | eduhat | hey guys, whats goin on? |
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| 01:42.57 | ponyofdeath | hi, what is the flag in /proc/cpuinfo that shows u that cpu supports freq scaling |
| 01:43.46 | xsdg | ponyofdeath: I might be wrong, but I don't think there is one |
| 01:44.09 | ponyofdeath | xsdg: there is a cpuflag that lets u know if processor supports it |
| 01:44.16 | xsdg | ponyofdeath: a hint is if "cpu MHz" doesn't match a listed speed in the text of "model name" |
| 01:44.19 | eduhat | would me doing an apt-get upgrade upgrade my system? |
| 01:44.27 | eduhat | also, what would apt-get update do? |
| 01:44.29 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:44.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:44.37 | xsdg | eduhat: from what to what? |
| 01:44.47 | ponyofdeath | xsdg: well i want to know if i should compile support for it in the kernel |
| 01:45.22 | agent | samuk: If you are feeling lucky, see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12430 |
| 01:45.25 | xsdg | ponyofdeath: compile it as a module; alternately, see if your CPU is supported by looking in the kernel docs or online or in the kernel config |
| 01:45.28 | eduhat | xsdh: well, i have not been on my debian system for like 2 months, so i just now am starting to get back into it, so i thought i would update my system... so would that do it? |
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| 01:46.25 | xsdg | eduhat: 2 months? that should be fine |
| 01:46.30 | samuk | thanks agent .. bye all |
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| 01:46.31 | abrotman | eduhat: apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade ( or aptitude if you prefer) |
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| 01:46.53 | eduhat | abrotman: what is the -u flag for? |
| 01:46.53 | xsdg | eduhat: it might be a little (not a whole lot) more complicated if there were a branch released while you were away |
| 01:46.56 | enouf | dpkg: smack abrotman with a "beat me with your rhythm stick, beat me, beat me" |
| 01:47.03 | xsdg | eduhat: shows you what's being upgraded |
| 01:47.04 | eduhat | abrotman: right now, apt-get upgrade is running... |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | eduhat: to show you what is being upgraded |
| 01:47.40 | abrotman | why?! |
| 01:47.47 | enouf | hehe |
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| 01:48.26 | eduhat | i guess when apt-get upgrade is done running, i will run apt-get -u dist-upgrade, because i already ran apt-get update |
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| 01:49.36 | StyXman | hi all. I'm fighting with resolvconf. the problem is this: I used to have an ISP which gaveme inet via dhcp. now I have a static ip (yay!) and static dns servers. but as this setup is not definite, I would like to keep resolvconf at hand just in case it changes. so, which is the best way to tell resolvconf the static dns servers? I see that there is a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/000resolvconf which determines this, but I can't find any docs on where are t |
| 01:50.02 | enouf | eduhat: update only updates the apt-cache .. upgrade actaull insalls the pkgs |
| 01:50.16 | eduhat | enouf... oh okay, i understand now |
| 01:50.19 | enouf | eduhat: use -s not -u |
| 01:50.43 | eduhat | what does -s do? |
| 01:50.43 | enouf | eduhat: simulation |
| 01:51.00 | enouf | !tell eduhat -about apt howto |
| 01:51.33 | eduhat | allright, thx man |
| 01:51.50 | eduhat | im gunna take a shower now, i'll be back in like 15min |
| 01:52.04 | enouf | thanksto abrotman for making me correct her ;-P |
| 01:52.11 | abrotman | he who ? |
| 01:52.16 | subopt_ | How do i get smaller fonts in my console mode? I seem to remember it was some kind of kernel arg or something... |
| 01:52.17 | enouf | haha |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | vga= |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | i think |
| 01:52.45 | wols | vga=ask |
| 01:52.55 | robin_sz | bah .. useless command ... |
| 01:52.57 | wols | and /etc/console-tools/config |
| 01:52.58 | robin_sz | unrar ... |
| 01:53.02 | subopt_ | thanks, guys |
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| 01:53.11 | wols | (when you run framebuffer that is) |
| 01:54.08 | StyXman | or in a more direct manner: does anyone know where are the parameters passed to scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d/ taken from? |
| 01:54.46 | wols | man interfaces |
| 01:54.59 | StyXman | wols: yes, but it says nothing about static dns servers... |
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| 01:55.04 | wols | what parameters? |
| 01:55.12 | StyXman | wols: sec |
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| 01:55.28 | wols | it simply runs the directory via run-parts |
| 01:55.41 | enouf | StyXman: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 01:56.10 | StyXman | wols: yes, but some envvars are set first. I'm looking for the source of $IF_DNS_NAMESERVERS value |
| 01:56.24 | StyXman | enouf: again, nothing about dns servers |
| 01:56.25 | aeronadix | how can you tell how many users are logged into your system? Cause when I run $user, it shows my user name twice |
| 01:56.37 | enouf | StyXman: doh .. |
| 01:56.43 | StyXman | aeronadix: try the command «w» |
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| 01:57.13 | pabix | Hello, if anyone here, I'm on etch, |
| 01:57.20 | enouf | you want /etc/resolv.conf or BIND |
| 01:57.22 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.30 | pabix | and #lpadmin => no such file |
| 01:57.40 | pabix | (command not found) |
| 01:57.56 | StyXman | enouf: yes and no. as I said, I'm using the resolvconf package, which manages the /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 01:58.01 | pabix | I installed apt-file, and did "apt-file search lpadmin" : no result |
| 01:58.11 | stew | pabix: did you run apt-file update? |
| 01:58.15 | pabix | no |
| 01:58.31 | pabix | good idea :) |
| 01:59.34 | StyXman | hmm, I'm wrong. |
| 01:59.38 | wols | StyXman: have you grepped for IF_DNS_NAMESERVERS? |
| 01:59.54 | StyXman | wols: let me rethink my situation |
| 02:00.14 | enouf | <StyXman> or in a more direct manner: does anyone know where are the parameters passed to scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d/ taken from? <-- apologies, I missed that .. try grep -ir dns /etc/init.d/ |
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| 02:00.42 | pabix | stew: thanks |
| 02:00.51 | enouf | StyXman: also replace with "ifup" |
| 02:01.02 | pabix | I had lpadmin installed, but on /sbin (and I did all with a sudo, could not work) |
| 02:01.58 | enouf | StyXman: grep -ir ifup /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 02:02.19 | enouf | which are symlinks |
| 02:02.23 | StyXman | enouf: no, my problem is not the one I thought I had :-[ |
| 02:02.44 | enouf | StyXman: panties in a bunch? |
| 02:02.51 | enouf | ;-P |
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| 02:03.21 | StyXman | let's see. besides resolvconf, I'm using dnsmasq. the problem is that dnsmasq doesn't get the statis dns to use them as forwarders |
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| 02:04.10 | StyXman | static dns's* |
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| 02:05.57 | enouf | ahh "Dead Calm" .. nice sicko drama |
| 02:06.03 | nn-firedragon | I need to get a static ip what compony has the best service for the price |
| 02:06.25 | nn-firedragon | ** for internet |
| 02:06.30 | enouf | I always though it was named Dead Zone for some odd reason |
| 02:06.37 | enouf | +t |
| 02:06.43 | karsten | nn-firedragon: avoid bounce. |
| 02:07.05 | karsten | nn-firedragon: There's no static, they're up and down a lot, and they'll put you through the wringer. |
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| 02:07.36 | eduhat | allright, im back |
| 02:07.46 | karsten | !win eduhat |
| 02:07.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, eduhat! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:07.59 | eduhat | yes!! |
| 02:08.08 | karsten | nn-firedragon: Best bet is to inquire (or enquire) locally for preferred providers, or Google. |
| 02:08.10 | eduhat | !lose karsten |
| 02:08.10 | dpkg | karsten: You Lose. |
| 02:08.15 | abrotman | !lose #debian |
| 02:08.15 | dpkg | #debian: You Lose. |
| 02:08.21 | eduhat | hehe |
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| 02:08.58 | eduhat | so karsten... who wins first? |
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| 02:10.53 | enouf | ahh .. the "dead zone" was with "luther" |
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| 02:11.31 | enouf | and christopher walken IIRC |
| 02:11.35 | nn-firedragon | i mean experiance form the users --------- |
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| 02:11.53 | enouf | luther from "warrirors" |
| 02:12.07 | nn-firedragon | You guys on the irc what is your recomendation |
| 02:12.12 | indigoblu | how can I use apt-get or dpkg to restore missing configuration files from a package? |
| 02:12.28 | enouf | Fire! the dragon! noW! |
| 02:12.40 | stoned | Puff |
| 02:13.10 | StyXman | indigoblu: dpkg -i <debfile>? I'm not sure what are you asking for... |
| 02:13.13 | stoned | !confmiss |
| 02:13.13 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 02:13.57 | indigoblu | StyXman, I removed a configuration file for a pacakge, using apt-get remove pkgname && apt-get install pkgname does not restore the missing config file |
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| 02:14.34 | stoned | indigoblu: read what dpkg says |
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| 02:16.02 | parsonsd | Interesting - update with synaptic and it wants to update uw-imapd. it's halting - "TerminalTimeout in step: Preparing uw-imapd"..." no statusfd changes/content updates in terminal for 120 seconds" |
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| 02:16.36 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:18.20 | StyXman | dn4: you need libgmp |
| 02:19.12 | dn4 | wish my brain would recognize these things |
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| 02:19.32 | abrotman | really ? |
| 02:20.02 | Azar | heh someone wrote a HOWTO for backporting packages: http://blog.andrewbeacock.com/2007/03/how-to-install-specific-version-of.html |
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| 02:20.11 | StyXman | dn4: be carefull, it's a one way trip to nowhere |
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| 02:20.37 | dn4 | StyXman, how do you figure as much? |
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| 02:20.40 | indigoblu | where does apt-get put the debs when it downloads them/ |
| 02:20.50 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 02:21.22 | parsonsd | why would installation/preparation of uw-imapd stall like that? |
| 02:21.31 | StyXman | dn4: years reading package names |
| 02:21.46 | _-zar_- | all of the porn sites are blocked in thailand too, but theres 1000's of whorehouses? |
| 02:21.51 | StyXman | dn4: i.e., like anything, putting some time into it |
| 02:21.59 | creature | "If you do resume from initrd after your filesystems are mounted... bye bye root partition." says the documentation for swsusp. I'm pretty sure I use initrd as part of my kernel startup, but I don't know if I resume after filesystems are mounted. How would I find out? |
| 02:22.17 | _-zar_- | lol wrong channel post :P |
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| 02:22.48 | Azar | are package versions following same rules as Debian versions? like upwards only, never backwards? |
| 02:22.48 | GoldeNArX | hey guys... hoping you can help out, not able to get help from #ubuntu |
| 02:22.59 | GoldeNArX | im trying to install the 80211 subsystem to no avail |
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| 02:23.04 | zinx | GoldeNArX: we probably can't help either |
| 02:23.20 | abrotman | !d-i GoldeNArX |
| 02:23.20 | dpkg | GoldeNArX, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:23.29 | zinx | especially considering the modules offered in ubuntu are completely different from the ones in debian |
| 02:23.40 | Azar | if I use backports to get a higher version of a package, and say I do not like it, can I go back installing the old version ? |
| 02:23.50 | mue | how high is alsas false positive rate in detecting a soundcard where actually none is? |
| 02:23.52 | zinx | Azar: sure |
| 02:24.10 | karsten | mue: Generally between 440 and 640 Hz. |
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| 02:24.26 | Azar | zinx: so the removing of the newer version is required in order to re-install the older one? |
| 02:24.39 | zinx | mue: unless it's an ISA sound card, the chances are pretty low |
| 02:24.40 | Azar | karsten: typo? |
| 02:24.45 | enouf | kill -a hurtz dammmit |
| 02:24.47 | zinx | mue: But there are some sound cards it supports part of, but not the other part |
| 02:24.56 | zinx | mue: chipset supported but not codec on that chipset, for example |
| 02:25.03 | zinx | mue: which makes it useless for those... |
| 02:25.14 | karsten | Azar: You wish! |
| 02:25.18 | Azar | :) |
| 02:25.21 | mue | zinx: ah okay, read something like this, seems to be so in my case |
| 02:26.31 | karsten | Azar: ... though "a half to a third" might have been a better answer. |
| 02:26.37 | mue | zinx: but my chip is recognized by lspci/pnpdump, alsaconf detects either cs or opl or sb8 |
| 02:26.50 | mue | zinx: but my chip is NOT recognized by lspci/pnpdump, alsaconf detects either cs or opl or sb8 |
| 02:26.59 | Azar | karsten: at this time of the day and at 80F my imagination flows... |
| 02:27.12 | zinx | mue: uhm, is it an ISA sound card? |
| 02:27.19 | karsten | Azar: Tones, my man, tones. |
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| 02:28.08 | Azar | hey! beta3 is out, nice |
| 02:28.10 | mue | zinx: can't find what actually is in, it' san ibm thinkpad x24, read something about cs4610/11 or cs4299 |
| 02:28.10 | enouf | it's like 2F here |
| 02:28.17 | zinx | mue: oh, gads |
| 02:28.24 | karsten | 48F / 9C |
| 02:28.32 | karsten | Azar: beta3? |
| 02:28.32 | Azar | enouf: I was literally baking at home today.. |
| 02:28.39 | zinx | mue: check the thinkwiki: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
| 02:28.40 | Azar | karsten: etch beta3 |
| 02:28.47 | zinx | mue: you're in for a difficult time |
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| 02:28.58 | karsten | Azar: Ah. Where's home? |
| 02:28.59 | pourriture | enouf ... if you want to borrow some it is going to be 70f here tomorrow |
| 02:29.04 | mue | zinx: why? |
| 02:29.14 | enouf | bastage |
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| 02:29.39 | enouf | heh |
| 02:29.50 | Azar | karsten: Los Angeles |
| 02:29.57 | Azar | beta3: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 02:29.58 | zinx | mue: because alsa doesn't support your card as a pci card |
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| 02:30.02 | karsten | !win me |
| 02:30.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:30.12 | zinx | mue: only the isa driver works (cs4xxx something, again, check the wiki) |
| 02:30.13 | Azar | :) |
| 02:30.16 | enouf | !bingo Azar |
| 02:30.23 | enouf | bah |
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| 02:31.16 | Azar | ew I didn't know that was written back in sept 2006 ? beta 3 in 2006? wow |
| 02:31.34 | litage | if a web page uses the same image multiple times, are browsers these days smart enough to download the image once, and use it many times, or do they download multiple copies of the image? |
| 02:31.35 | mue | zinx: yep, i don't geht thos cs36xx to work for hours |
| 02:31.53 | mue | zinx, cs46xx actually |
| 02:31.55 | zinx | mue: like i said, you're in for a difficult time. |
| 02:32.03 | mue | okay |
| 02:32.04 | enouf | cache cahce cahe .. traking, tracking, tracking |
| 02:32.16 | enouf | +cc |
| 02:32.22 | Azar | ...and published on 03/02/07 on debianadmin.com |
| 02:32.24 | indigoblu | i destroyed my configuration dir for nagios2, using apt-get install nagios2 does not restore this config dir, how is this done? |
| 02:32.32 | pourriture | I just bought a batch (batch = 9) of intel pro 1000 gt's ... they play nice in the sarge boxes with 2.6.8 but not in the sarge boxes with 2.4.27 |
| 02:32.40 | pourriture | anyone know why? |
| 02:32.56 | indigoblu | pourriture, what driver? |
| 02:33.02 | pourriture | e1000 |
| 02:33.07 | Azar | pourriture: simple: 2.4 kernel is older and does not give much hardware support? |
| 02:33.14 | pourriture | in both cases |
| 02:33.36 | zinx | mue: actually, maybe not so hard: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/CS4299 |
| 02:33.57 | Azar | pourriture: if you want to raid in the front seat, use 2.6.8 kernel in Sarge |
| 02:34.03 | pourriture | azar ... 2.4 is still under current dev and 2.4.x might be newer than 2.6.y |
| 02:34.22 | Azar | pourriture: yes but you will be limited in choices with it |
| 02:34.22 | mue | zinx, had no luck with this )= already tried this yesterday |
| 02:34.37 | Azar | excuseme? |
| 02:34.53 | indigoblu | pourriture, what error with cards on 2.4.x? |
| 02:34.59 | Azar | 2.4.x newer than 2.6.x ? are we talking kernel version right? |
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| 02:36.19 | pourriture | azar ... e1000 is is both ... e1000.o in 2.4.27 and e1000.ko in 2.6.8 ... but the module won't load in 2.4 |
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| 02:36.39 | Azar | pourriture: well it will not |
| 02:36.54 | Azar | omg!! o/t sorry but I am so excited! Commodore will come back! |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | loser! |
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| 02:37.55 | pourriture | azar ... you do know that paralell development in 2.4 and 2.6 series is occurring? |
| 02:38.30 | pourriture | nevermind |
| 02:38.30 | Azar | :) I love the games |
| 02:38.31 | pourriture | I asked the wrong question in the wrong chan |
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| 02:39.36 | creature | "If you do resume from initrd after your filesystems are mounted... bye bye root partition." says the documentation for swsusp. I'm pretty sure I use initrd as part of my kernel startup, but I don't know if I resume after filesystems are mounted. How would I find out? |
| 02:40.13 | egospun | i have a list of directories/several relative paths to a directory, i would like to transfer these dirs to another host keeping the relative path in place. does scp support this? |
| 02:40.35 | Caelum | what's a good font to use in iceweasel? |
| 02:40.58 | abrotman | the ones the webpages tell you to use |
| 02:41.07 | Callahad | Hi, it seems that whenever I launch a gtk-2 app under another DE (like wmii, for instance), it spawns a gconfd-2 process, rather than reading from my .gtkrc-2.0. Is there a way to force it to get GTK settings from the rc file? |
| 02:41.17 | Caelum | for defaults that aren't in web pages... |
| 02:43.08 | abrotman | Callahad: it probably does both |
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| 02:43.39 | pourriture | indigloblu ... it says dievice not found ... on 2.4 series kernel ... even though e1000.o is there |
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| 02:44.32 | pourriture | modprobe on 2.6 kernel works fine ,but have to add an alias to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
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| 02:44.45 | Callahad | abrotman: Well, it seems like nothing in the rcfile is tacking effect. For instance, gtk-font-name = "Sans 9" is definitely not happening. |
| 02:45.04 | abrotman | Callahad: you'd probably have better luck on #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:45.12 | eldowan | I'm using md5sum to check the sums of some files I've created and transfered to a different device. I've got two instances of md5sum running. Together they eat up 100% of my cpu. I've rencied the processes to 10, but the system still lags. I thought the renice gave everything with a lower nice value priority, and so would lessen the lag. Am I incorrect in this asusmption? |
| 02:45.32 | pourriture | i suspect it would work great from a fresh install ... but these are new NICs in extant boxen |
| 02:45.38 | Callahad | abrotman: irc.gnome.org! Of course! I was amazed at how desolate #gtk+ and #gnome were here :) Thanks. |
| 02:45.56 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:46.12 | Caelum | gnome-panel is really cool |
| 02:46.37 | chemaja | Caelum: but Window List in vertical orentation sucks |
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| 02:46.57 | abrotman | window list in vertical ? |
| 02:47.01 | Caelum | hmm, never tried that. But compared to gnome-panel, the kde thingy has a ways to go |
| 02:47.22 | chemaja | abrotman: gnome panel applet like Windows taskbar |
| 02:47.38 | eldowan | hmm. Is there a way to make bash ls sort in the following manner? 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 and not 1,10,11,2,20,21,3,4,5...? |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | it has a vertical mode? :) |
| 02:47.54 | chemaja | abrotman: ie. on a vert panel |
| 02:48.05 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:48.08 | abrotman | yes .. that i can see :) |
| 02:48.11 | chemaja | :) |
| 02:48.20 | abrotman | i dont' have vertical panels |
| 02:48.36 | chemaja | eldowan: maybe check the doc for ls, not sure. it seems to ring a bell. |
| 02:49.04 | eldowan | chemaja: this is the only sort in the documentation: |
| 02:49.04 | eldowan | --sort=WORD |
| 02:49.04 | eldowan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:49.45 | Caelum | eldowan: echo * | sort -n | ls |
| 02:49.46 | abrotman | eldowan: sort -n |
| 02:50.25 | eldowan | Caelum: abrotman: thanks, just the tip I needed. |
| 02:50.53 | blanky | is there a channel for debian package maintainers? |
| 02:51.06 | eldowan | !mentor |
| 02:51.06 | dpkg | from memory, mentor is i heard mentor is tarzeau's hero, and, also, the one mumbling to himself in the corner (stay away from him). He can't type. and he hates PDF files, especially badly written ones (hear that QDI!). The name is an ironic comment an his ability (or maybe yours) for the uninitiated. grammatically conscious. No, not the Hacker's Manifesto either. |
| 02:51.11 | eldowan | !mentors |
| 02:51.11 | dpkg | mentors is probably Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 02:51.11 | abrotman | !mentors |
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| 02:52.34 | eldowan | Caelum: abrotman: that still sorts 1 10 11 2 20 21 |
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| 02:53.55 | abrotman | eldowan: wtf are you doing ? |
| 02:53.57 | eldowan | abrotman: Caelum: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5579 |
| 02:54.12 | creature | "If you do resume from initrd after your filesystems are mounted... bye bye root partition." says the documentation for swsusp. I'm pretty sure I use initrd as part of my kernel startup, but I don't know if I resume after filesystems are mounted. How would I find out? And is this a stupid question? |
| 02:54.24 | eldowan | abrotman: I want ls to sort 1 2 3 4 ... 10 11 12 ... 20 21 22... |
| 02:54.47 | Caelum | eldowan: the command I gave was wrong... it should be ls -1 | sort -n |
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| 02:55.20 | eldowan | Caelum: nope, same result |
| 02:55.28 | abrotman | eldowan: mkdir /tmp/blah && cd /tmp/blah && touch `seq 1 21` && ls | sort -n |
| 02:56.46 | eldowan | abrotman: I don't get it... http://channels.debian.net/paste/5580 |
| 02:56.59 | Caelum | eldowan: I just tried it, ls -1 | sort -n works |
| 02:57.16 | abrotman | eldowan: take off the h |
| 02:57.25 | eldowan | grant@grant:/tmp/blah$ ls -l | sort -n |
| 02:57.25 | eldowan | -rw-r--r-- 1 grant grant 0 2007-03-06 20:56 1 |
| 02:57.25 | eldowan | -rw-r--r-- 1 grant grant 0 2007-03-06 20:56 10 |
| 02:57.35 | eldowan | ? |
| 02:57.46 | abrotman | dude ... |
| 02:57.50 | abrotman | i'm going to hit you |
| 02:57.57 | eldowan | am I really this dense? |
| 02:58.00 | eldowan | I just don't get it |
| 02:58.10 | abrotman | what do you think ti's sorting on ? |
| 02:58.28 | eldowan | abrotman: the first non-same character? |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | since you didn't tell it which column .. it's using the first one |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | or rather .. starting with the first one .. which is non-numeric |
| 02:59.03 | eldowan | aah, I thought it did the comparison on the whold line, not only a logical column |
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| 02:59.16 | Caelum | eldowan: *1* not *l* ls -1 |
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| 02:59.39 | eldowan | Caelum: oops, that worked |
| 02:59.39 | Caelum | as in, one file per line |
| 02:59.41 | abrotman | eldowan: you can force it to go to a certain column |
| 02:59.45 | abrotman | Caelum: you don't need it |
| 02:59.59 | Caelum | I need it, probably because of an alias or something |
| 03:00.45 | eldowan | hmm, ok I obviously asked the incorrect question. How can I get ls -l[h] to sort 1 2 3 ... 10 11 12...? |
| 03:01.04 | mfrisch | can anyone help me I have two questions what is the difference between the vserver-xen and regular xen kernel? How do you get xp's networking to work through qemu? |
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| 03:05.30 | eldowan | abrotman: am I missing something incredibly easy? |
| 03:05.40 | abrotman | eldowan: to do what ? |
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| 03:06.22 | abrotman | eldowan: either stop using -lh or use --key in sort |
| 03:06.40 | Azar | yay! my Debian Sarge with all packages I got use only 2% of my HD! |
| 03:07.22 | creature | eldowan: Is there some reason why you're not just telling ls to sort by size? |
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| 03:07.38 | creature | Also, is there a difference between initrd and initramfs? |
| 03:07.51 | eldowan | creature: because size doesn't always reflect the name. |
| 03:08.06 | creature | Oh, they're names, not sizes. I see. |
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| 03:09.30 | Azar | so all in all I use 2.5Gigs out of my 110G HD! |
| 03:09.39 | eldowan | nice Azar |
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| 03:10.11 | Azar | hummmm I could have a dual boot Debian Sarge with Debian Etch for that matter! |
| 03:10.29 | Azar | maybe stuff Debian unstable there too |
| 03:10.33 | StyXman | wee, I hit a bug in resolvconf |
| 03:10.47 | Azar | eldowan: could I have all three Debian version on a tri-boot ? |
| 03:11.12 | Azar | so heck not to use three PCs for that? |
| 03:11.45 | Azar | hail the bug finders! bless the bug patchers! |
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| 03:12.23 | koane | does gnomemeeting use encryption? |
| 03:12.25 | eldowan | Azar: could is such a lovely word. Yes you *could* do that. |
| 03:12.30 | StyXman | Azar: will do, will do! |
| 03:12.58 | Azar | eldowan: yeah it would be nice.. space saving on and around my desk too |
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| 03:13.26 | eldowan | Azar: I wouldn't immagine it would be too hard to pull off. |
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| 03:14.36 | eldowan | abrotman: Thanks for the tip on -k. works wonderful. |
| 03:15.10 | Azar | man I finally found the meaning of | pipe.... |
| 03:15.23 | abrotman | eldowan: see! |
| 03:15.39 | eldowan | not so well these days. Got to wear glasses and everything. |
| 03:15.52 | Azar | the -k as in kilobytes? |
| 03:16.02 | eldowan | Azar: -k as in key. sort -k |
| 03:16.04 | StyXman | ok, too late too late. bye guys |
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| 03:16.11 | Azar | ah |
| 03:16.28 | eldowan | Azar: you didn't know how to use the | ? |
| 03:16.47 | quipster | I am having major lag/time out problems with a samba share which is a nfs share on the server. has anyone ran into this before? |
| 03:17.07 | eldowan | quipster: the nfs share is the samba share on the same server? |
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| 03:17.35 | quipster | the nfs share is on a different server |
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| 03:17.46 | Azar | eldowan: yes I used it but I had no idea of exactly what it does |
| 03:17.47 | quipster | and samba server has nfs share mounted |
| 03:18.10 | Azar | now I just learned that it takes the first command before | and moves it into the next command |
| 03:18.20 | Azar | it passes it onto the next command |
| 03:18.24 | eldowan | quipster: PC A has the nfs share, PC B has the nfs share mounted, and is using samba to share it? |
| 03:18.36 | eldowan | Azar: isn't | a lovely thing? |
| 03:18.46 | Azar | eldowan: :) yes |
| 03:19.03 | dondelelcaro | | and "everyting is a file" are some of the more useful features of a real shell |
| 03:19.19 | dondelelcaro | s/shell/shell and unix/ |
| 03:19.23 | quipster | CLIENT-C > SAMBA-PC > NFS-PC |
| 03:19.44 | eldowan | quipster: why not have the NFS-PC host the samba share? |
| 03:19.51 | eldowan | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 03:20.59 | quipster | edlowan: this is a fileserver which has to talk to AD and NIS which at the moment its only talking to a nis server for permission. we are in the phase where we are migration nis to AD |
| 03:21.12 | Azar | good evening honorable dondelecaro |
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| 03:21.40 | raf256 | there should be a virtal package no-shit |
| 03:21.46 | quipster | edlowan: we will be doing that but it is not that way at the moment |
| 03:21.46 | Azar | man I like digging small tutorials about linux command line and have some hands on .... |
| 03:22.10 | eldowan | quipster: is the delay only noticeable on client-c or even on samba-pc with no users connected? |
| 03:22.12 | raf256 | the no-shit package would work by conflicting dependencies with: krusader, kopete, knode and much more |
| 03:22.13 | abrotman | raf256: you can make your own |
| 03:22.59 | quipster | samba-pc is a samba server with many people talking to it at all times |
| 03:23.05 | koane | where do i start to set-up vpn between 2 wlans? |
| 03:23.05 | raf256 | is there actually a debian distro where all packages have NO >= normal bugs? |
| 03:23.08 | quipster | it is very noticeable |
| 03:23.29 | madd_matt | koane, look into IPsec or OpenVPN |
| 03:23.34 | eldowan | quipster: alright. Is it noticable from another PC who is mapped to the nfs share directly? |
| 03:23.37 | quipster | if in windows .. explorer pretty much locks up for a long time |
| 03:23.53 | quipster | nfs does have problems |
| 03:23.53 | Guerin | quipster: seems normal. |
| 03:24.06 | madd_matt | koane, openVPN is based on SSL and works pretty well. |
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| 03:24.52 | koane | madd_matt: which one would be suitable if i want to link up with MS pc too? |
| 03:25.02 | quipster | errr.. let me take back what i said.. NFS does not have any problems |
| 03:25.09 | koane | MS network. |
| 03:25.19 | quipster | just samba slow down when mapping to a nfs share |
| 03:25.31 | wifioh | is there any way to force checkinstall into not using the packagename-version-release.deb syntax. i'd like checkinstall to use packagename-version.deb syntax instead |
| 03:25.39 | eldowan | quipster: samba isn't slow when accessing files local to the samba server? |
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| 03:26.13 | zoid_ | hi |
| 03:26.36 | koane | madd_matt: will setting up vpn for wlans require tweaking the routers? |
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| 03:27.06 | madd_matt | koane, openVPN has a windows client. You need to have an openVPN server that is accessable from the internet. |
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| 03:27.27 | zoid_ | i have a noob question: it is possible to send mails from a shell script without MTA? |
| 03:27.38 | madd_matt | koane, so port forwarding, possibly, if the openVPN router is behind a port-forwarded router, but if it has a public IP, then no. |
| 03:28.09 | eldowan | zoid_: possible? yes. |
| 03:28.18 | dvs | recommended? |
| 03:28.25 | quipster | eldowan: the files are not local to the samba server. the files are from an nfs mount. locally through the nfs mount it is fast |
| 03:28.33 | madd_matt | zoid_, well, either the script has to be an MTA itself or possibly use one from your ISP or something. Setting up a send-only exim config is easy enough. |
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| 03:28.52 | quipster | eldowan: I have not tried mounting the samba share locally |
| 03:28.55 | eldowan | quipster: I understand. But my question if is files local to the samba server are slow. This will show if the samba server or the mount process is at fault |
| 03:29.12 | ssstormy | hello, I'm trying to set up bridging, but it doesn't seem to be working. I was using these steps: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-bridge-fw.en.html |
| 03:29.13 | zoid_ | thanks, i will use an external smtp (postfix) then |
| 03:29.30 | zoid_ | should i use the "mail" command? |
| 03:29.43 | ssstormy | also, my WAN interface needs to use DHCP to get an address, instead of static config. does that matter, and can anyone help? |
| 03:29.44 | quipster | eldowan: the files are fast locally. |
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| 03:29.59 | eldowan | quipster: alright, what are the settings on the nfs mount? |
| 03:30.21 | koane | madd_matt: how many routers are involved, besides the wlan router there is also a openvpn router? |
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| 03:30.30 | quipster | eldowan: nfs rw,hard,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768 |
| 03:31.01 | eldowan | quipster: try rsize and wsize at 8192. I've had good luck with those values |
| 03:31.46 | quipster | eldowan: also have noatime |
| 03:31.56 | quipster | not much of a difference but never hurts |
| 03:32.19 | eldowan | quipster: I've got a nfs share mounted on my box. let me make a samba share out of the nfs mount, and access it from a windows box. bbiab |
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| 03:32.42 | madd_matt | koane, I'm assuming you have a network already that you want remote hosts to be able to join via a VPN, or multiple hosts on the VPN. What you need is a server running openVPN that clients connect to. You could then access other services on said server, or other services on a private intranet, or whatever your VPN needs are. |
| 03:32.42 | abrotman | ssstormy: that shouldn't matter |
| 03:32.52 | ssstormy | ok |
| 03:33.00 | stevepastelan_ | I too have a vpn questio |
| 03:33.03 | stevepastelan_ | n |
| 03:33.10 | stevepastelan_ | but the other way around |
| 03:33.10 | ssstormy | any idea why, after I set up the bridge I can't get dhcp leases with my clients? |
| 03:33.18 | stevepastelan_ | how do you connect TO a vpn server (pptp) |
| 03:33.19 | ssstormy | (from the network outside the bridge |
| 03:33.22 | abrotman | ssstormy: on the inside ? |
| 03:33.29 | ssstormy | yeah |
| 03:33.40 | ssstormy | the computers behind the bridge can't get a lease from outside |
| 03:33.51 | abrotman | ssstormy: firewall ? |
| 03:34.05 | ssstormy | I flushed iptables and used the settings recommended in the setup page |
| 03:34.32 | abrotman | ssstormy: does the bridge get the IP on the outsiude ? |
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| 03:34.47 | ssstormy | no, dhclient br0 doesn't get me an address |
| 03:35.06 | abrotman | dhclient <external interface> ? |
| 03:35.10 | ssstormy | that works |
| 03:35.26 | abrotman | i dont' have bridging stuffinstalled here .. |
| 03:35.35 | abrotman | but there's a way to see the status |
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| 03:35.58 | ssstormy | hmm |
| 03:35.58 | zoid_ | i'm gonna get some sleep, thanks people! |
| 03:36.04 | abrotman | let me install the -utils |
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| 03:37.31 | abrotman | ssstormy: brctl show ? |
| 03:37.35 | ssstormy | ok |
| 03:37.39 | ssstormy | I'm going to go poke around some more, but I'll get disconnected |
| 03:37.42 | ssstormy | be back in a bit |
| 03:37.48 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:37.54 | eldowan | quipster: I've got the same horrible lag as you. |
| 03:38.14 | eldowan | quipster: I take it back. I've next to no lag |
| 03:39.02 | eldowan | quipster: I'm navigating folders that have 1000+ files in each directory |
| 03:39.27 | quipster | well it takes a while to cache |
| 03:39.41 | eldowan | quipster: I don't understand |
| 03:39.42 | quipster | and the shares I am sharing are 7 terabytes |
| 03:39.47 | eldowan | aah |
| 03:40.19 | quipster | when the files system was local to samba it worked fine |
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| 03:40.29 | quipster | doing through an nfs mount isnt working well |
| 03:40.30 | eldowan | quipster: I guess you might have to just deal with it until you can get things squared away correctly |
| 03:40.42 | quipster | yeah .. thats not what i wanted to hear |
| 03:41.18 | eldowan | quipster: can you get samba on the nfs server, and set it up to talk to your AD server or whatever for credentials? |
| 03:41.28 | koane | madd_matt: that's the scenario i want to start with. one end has a vpn server, the other end has several clients. on the router of wlan with the server, i would have to set port forwarding for the application 'openvpn', right? |
| 03:41.28 | Azar | eldowan: so the "grep" means "select" ? |
| 03:41.39 | eldowan | Azar: do what? |
| 03:42.03 | Azar | eldowan: in this context: find ~ -exec file {} \; | grep PDF |
| 03:42.12 | quipster | eldowan: AD server isnt ready and for now the emc box only gets credentials through old nasty nis |
| 03:42.30 | eldowan | Azar: grep means to search through the output of your find command for lines that have the string 'PDF' in them. |
| 03:42.32 | madd_matt | koane, yes. |
| 03:42.35 | Azar | eldowan: grep means select "filetype"? |
| 03:42.43 | eldowan | Azar: grep means select "string" |
| 03:42.53 | Azar | ah I see, thanks :) |
| 03:43.05 | madd_matt | koane, I don't recall offhand what port(s) openVPN needs, but you'll be able to find that all out |
| 03:43.13 | eldowan | quipster: ouch. hmmm. that is no good. I've got nothin' |
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| 03:43.47 | koane | madd_matt: yeah, should be. thks, enough info for me to get started. openvpn is well supported by debian? |
| 03:44.18 | eldowan | Azar: so grep could be used to search for any arbitrary bit of information. if you use grep -v <string> it will select everything *but* what the string is |
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| 03:44.46 | madd_matt | koane, I think it should be, but I haven't tried. |
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| 03:45.12 | koane | k |
| 03:45.37 | Azar | hehe cool |
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| 03:46.12 | eldowan | Azar: yes, grep is one nice tool to have in your belt |
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| 03:49.06 | sstormy | abrotman, nope, can't get it working |
| 03:49.31 | abrotman | brctl show .. nothing useful? |
| 03:49.41 | sstormy | once the bridge is up, clients behind the bridge should be able to dhcp and everything right? |
| 03:49.58 | sstormy | nah it just showed that it existed and which interfaces were on it |
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| 03:50.17 | Callahad | I'm on Sid. As of recently, my .gtkrc-2.0 is being ignored. Has anyone done an update+upgrade in the last 12 hours and experienced similar breakage? Friendly folks on irc.gnome.org say my gtkrc works for them, but it doesn't work for me :( |
| 03:50.18 | abrotman | that's not helpful .. |
| 03:50.26 | sstormy | say, it wouldn't matter that the internet connection port is eth2 and the LAN port I'm using is eth0 would it? |
| 03:50.53 | abrotman | as long as they're in the bridge .. doubt it |
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| 03:51.22 | sstormy | the worst part is how there's virutally no information besides how to do it, implying that it's EASY! and it WORKS! |
| 03:51.26 | Callahad | Alternatively, does anyone know what gtk packages actually implement xsettings listeners? |
| 03:51.54 | Azar | Callahad: I am a newbie and I tried Sid once. It worked nice for about two months, then stuff started freezing, dissapearing.... I guess is Sid's nature :) |
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| 03:52.11 | karsten | Azar: sid breaks toys. |
| 03:52.27 | Azar | karsten: yes indeed and I am glad I saw that with my own eyes |
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| 03:52.37 | Callahad | Azar: I like filing bug reports :) I just can't nail down this one. |
| 03:53.10 | Azar | Callahad: I do not know if bug reports for Sid count.... it might.. |
| 03:53.57 | Callahad | Azar: That's largely what it's here for. To catch breakage before it makes its way into Testing |
| 03:54.03 | Callahad | (or at least, to my understanding) |
| 03:55.41 | Azar | Callahad: I would guess if the said package is targeted for future testing.. |
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| 03:55.42 | abrotman | ssstormy: it is easy! |
| 03:55.42 | ssstormy | well gee |
| 03:55.43 | ssstormy | it worked |
| 03:55.44 | ssstormy | and I don't even know what was different this time |
| 03:55.53 | abrotman | it was the reboot! |
| 03:56.01 | ssstormy | lol I didn't reboot |
| 03:56.27 | ssstormy | now I have to ask, is there a way to bridge all 3 of my LAN ports to the WAN port? |
| 03:56.45 | mue | what's the differende between modules snd-intel8x0 and snd-intel8x0m? |
| 03:56.49 | Azar | Callahad: if I would use Sid for testing and reporting purposes I would have to create a log and write down every move I make by the hour and time from the simplest command to the downloads, compiling etc... so to know what happened at each moment |
| 03:56.53 | mue | difference |
| 03:57.40 | Callahad | Azar: It's a dance you learn :) Also, having virtual machines handy to narrow down user error is nice. |
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| 03:58.50 | abrotman | mue: modinfo ? |
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| 04:00.02 | Callahad | Oh, damn, it is a problem with the debs. |
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| 04:05.39 | Azar | I would like to read somewhere how a package gets debianized :) |
| 04:05.45 | Azar | just for kicks |
| 04:06.55 | Azar | ok found articles :) |
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| 04:16.20 | Callahad | Damn. Looks like a fix is already been uploaded, and my mirror hasn't sync'd. |
| 04:16.45 | stoned | man I gotta finish packing |
| 04:16.52 | Moriarty | i m really sorry to busy you |
| 04:16.59 | Moriarty | there are Freebsd user there? |
| 04:17.06 | stoned | Moriarty: #freebsd |
| 04:17.08 | stoned | maybe |
| 04:17.10 | Moriarty | yes |
| 04:17.15 | Moriarty | but need to be register |
| 04:17.20 | Moriarty | T.T |
| 04:17.24 | Guerin | Moriarty: so register |
| 04:17.33 | Moriarty | lol |
| 04:17.36 | Moriarty | how? |
| 04:17.45 | stoned | Moriarty: /msg nickserv help |
| 04:17.59 | Moriarty | understood |
| 04:18.01 | Moriarty | thank you |
| 04:18.40 | Moriarty | er |
| 04:18.54 | Moriarty | hello |
| 04:18.58 | Moriarty | arf i m sorry |
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| 04:20.38 | Azar | hehe nice to see about the "control file" from where Recommends, Suggested are showing up |
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| 04:21.25 | Azar | and there is where apt-get kicks good |
| 04:21.29 | PrMoriarty | thank you a lot for your help |
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| 04:28.46 | LiENUS | why is firebird 1.5.3 labeled firebird2? |
| 04:29.40 | schme | What is firebird? |
| 04:30.09 | schme | !firebird |
| 04:30.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, firebird is the DFSG-free version of Borland's InterBase: http://firebird.sf.net/ If you want the web browser, see Firefox |
| 04:30.15 | schme | Oh. |
| 04:30.36 | LiENUS | its a database server |
| 04:30.41 | LiENUS | firebird is at version 2.0 |
| 04:30.46 | LiENUS | but the firebird2 package is 1.5.3 |
| 04:31.01 | LiENUS | plus that url is old |
| 04:31.04 | LiENUS | the current url is firebirdsql.org... |
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| 04:33.01 | schme | I see. |
| 04:33.10 | schme | File a bugreport about the package. |
| 04:34.21 | Azar | hahahaha @ Dell again: http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Mounting_and_Screwing.aspx |
| 04:35.38 | orkid | i want to see the pics of the server! |
| 04:35.55 | Azar | orkid: the server parts are on the boxes on the first pic |
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| 04:36.39 | LiENUS | Azar, you sure? |
| 04:36.55 | LiENUS | Dell apologized and overnighted the screws in several foam padded boxes. |
| 04:37.09 | LiENUS | and there were only 2 screws in the box they showed |
| 04:37.10 | Azar | ummmm no , in fact you are right, I guess the boxes are the ones containing the protected screws |
| 04:37.16 | LiENUS | you need at least 4 screws |
| 04:37.24 | LiENUS | looks like he got 8... |
| 04:37.29 | Azar | :) |
| 04:38.04 | Azar | I guess the foamed boxes could be used to wrap christmas gifts for employees.. |
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| 04:39.01 | Azar | hmmm I want to learn how to add a motto at part, need to show off my german language skill |
| 04:39.04 | LiENUS | or for building forts |
| 04:39.17 | Azar | yep |
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| 04:40.28 | AlphaDOG | anyone there got paypal for exchange to egold I need paypal money I got egold. |
| 04:40.55 | manu_hack | hey guys, i have two computers, one is very old but still connected to internet, with debian on it, is it possible to use the screen as my second screen? |
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| 04:41.10 | blenna_unix | hello. looking for a way to edit iso files directly like ultraiso for windows. any good app? |
| 04:41.11 | Gokee2 | I just installed a new display on my laptop UXGA 15.4 display and took off a UXGA 15.4 and on bootup debian made my resalution 1024x768! It should be 1650x1080 (I think can`t remember for sure off the top of my head) anyone know why debian changed resalutions on me? KDE`s control panal will not let me change it to the right resalution. I have made no change to xorg config file. Anyone know why this happened to me? |
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| 04:41.54 | LiENUS | AlphaDOG, send me your paypal money il'l send you egold |
| 04:42.38 | theblue | Is America's Army in APT? |
| 04:42.50 | LiENUS | ooo you need paypal |
| 04:42.52 | AlphaDOG | LiENUS u dont understand :0 |
| 04:43.01 | AlphaDOG | I pay 110$ egold for 1004 paypal |
| 04:43.04 | AlphaDOG | ( USD ) |
| 04:43.05 | LiENUS | sorry i have paypal, send me your egold and il'l send you paypal |
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| 04:43.22 | AlphaDOG | pm me |
| 04:43.25 | Gokee2 | Also in dmesg it says "ts: compaq touchscreen output" why would this be? |
| 04:43.56 | Azar | Gokee2: I guess you should tell your X the specs of your new.... whatever is. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:43.58 | LiENUS | AlphaDOG, you have to register to be able to pm |
| 04:44.09 | AlphaDOG | LiENUS u got msn? |
| 04:44.16 | stoned | lol |
| 04:44.18 | Azar | AlphaDOG: this is not the place to engage in such topics |
| 04:44.19 | LiENUS | i dont run windows |
| 04:44.21 | stoned | hahaha |
| 04:44.24 | stoned | wow |
| 04:44.26 | andrej | Hi, how would one go about building ones own postgres 8.2 packages in the debian world? |
| 04:44.29 | stoned | I'm speechless |
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| 04:44.36 | Azar | stoned: it topped you |
| 04:44.45 | Azar | :) |
| 04:44.51 | stoned | !tell andrej -about package basics |
| 04:45.10 | andrej | thx stoned ... I'll go have a look |
| 04:45.23 | stoned | andrej: first read this. afterwards follow the link on that page to the new debian maintainers guide |
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| 04:46.12 | Gokee2 | Azar, Its the same screen. Well not exactly the same this one`s housing is not broken.... But the specs are the same exept for the pin number... Will dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg still help? I thought all that did was build a new xorg config? |
| 04:46.15 | LiENUS | AlphaDOG, do you have teaser and firecat? |
| 04:46.45 | AlphaDOG | no |
| 04:46.54 | Azar | Gokee2: give it a try and give it the new specs, also you can pick your resolution there |
| 04:47.19 | LiENUS | oh well |
| 04:47.30 | LiENUS | i guess il'l pick up some e-platinum instead |
| 04:47.39 | Gokee2 | Azar, There are no new specs but I will give it a try |
| 04:47.43 | quipster | eldowan: thanks for the info |
| 04:48.47 | LiENUS | you should probably leave as i have already reported your location to the RCMP |
| 04:49.27 | AlphaDOG | wtf? |
| 04:49.28 | AlphaDOG | lol |
| 04:49.40 | AlphaDOG | I want a exchanger is not hard |
| 04:49.41 | andrej | quite a learning curve. how can I find out which postgres related packages I currently have installed? |
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| 04:50.22 | AlphaDOG | I dont do fraud only need paypal money. |
| 04:50.25 | LiENUS | money laundering is a serious crime and is punishable under several anti-terrorism laws, you are looking at 10-30 years |
| 04:51.19 | BUMBACL0T | mv: cannot move `main' to `.main': Device or resource busy ---but i don't have anything open |
| 04:51.32 | BUMBACL0T | how can you tell if something is open? |
| 04:51.39 | LiENUS | BUMBACL0T, ps aux |
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| 04:51.52 | BUMBACL0T | nope |
| 04:51.57 | BUMBACL0T | no output |
| 04:52.05 | LiENUS | ps aux gave you no output at all? |
| 04:52.07 | andrej | there seems to be no difference between 'apt-cache search --installed postgres' and 'apt-cache search postgres' but I'm quite certain that I don't have dbmail installed, for instance. |
| 04:52.10 | LiENUS | i think yo uare full of shit |
| 04:52.30 | BUMBACL0T | im saying, i grep'd |
| 04:52.42 | andrej | or zabbix or tora |
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| 04:53.46 | BUMBACL0T | so now what, mr. LiENUS-wannabe-smartass |
| 04:54.40 | LiENUS | BUMBACL0T, you could poke around /proc |
| 04:55.16 | mzilikazi | erm what do i need to ask dpkg for info about new tzdata? |
| 04:55.38 | peterS | mzilikazi: what do you want to know about new tzdata? |
| 04:55.46 | Gokee2 | Azar, I went throught that and it did not fix anything |
| 04:56.03 | BUMBACL0T | oh shit, linux is affected too? |
| 04:56.18 | mzilikazi | peterS: earlier i checked it and all was well but i forgot ow i checked it :/ |
| 04:56.24 | mzilikazi | how even |
| 04:56.26 | rahul | linux has a clock, too! |
| 04:56.44 | BUMBACL0T | lol |
| 04:56.45 | peterS | mzilikazi: you want 'apt-cache policy tzdata' to see if there is an update available |
| 04:57.09 | peterS | mzilikazi: (this requires 'apt-get update' to have been run recently) |
| 04:57.09 | mzilikazi | peterS: oh i'm up to date alright |
| 04:57.12 | peterS | mzilikazi: so uh, what do you want to know? |
| 04:57.15 | mzilikazi | i did a tzdata -something -something |
| 04:57.22 | andrej | sweet: dpkg --list '*postgr*'|grep ii|awk '{print $2}' |
| 04:57.33 | mzilikazi | err no not tzdata...i have forgotten you see |
| 04:57.46 | andrej | Not bad, that FAQ :} |
| 04:57.51 | peterS | andrej: any time you are tempted to say grep foo | awk '{bar}', you should use the shorter version: awk '/foo/{bar}' |
| 04:57.53 | mzilikazi | abrotman poked dpkg |
| 04:58.10 | andrej | true enough peterS |
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| 04:58.22 | andrej | one subprocess less |
| 04:58.40 | peterS | I don't really care about the number of subprocesses, what I care about is that it's faster to type (: |
| 04:59.02 | andrej | sweet: dpkg --list '*postgr*'|awk '/^ii/{print $2}' |
| 04:59.07 | andrej | much better ;} |
| 04:59.26 | BUMBACL0T | rahul, what if you just cron an ntpdate update, instead of messing with timezon stuff? |
| 04:59.50 | LiENUS | BUMBACL0T, ntp doesnt have anything to do with dst |
| 04:59.54 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: the system clock is in UTC, you always "mess with the timezone stuff" either way |
| 05:00.14 | LiENUS | BUMBACL0T, ntp doesnt set your system clock to your local time zone |
| 05:00.15 | BUMBACL0T | oh |
| 05:00.40 | Gokee2 | Is there a way to change the res from a konsole? |
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| 05:01.07 | rahul | BUMBACL0T: that's irrelevant |
| 05:01.10 | peterS | though really the only thing to mess with is making sure timezone information is on your system that corresponds to your actual timezone. when governments decide to change this information, operating systems have to release updates. |
| 05:01.15 | rahul | BUMBACL0T: ntp tells you utc |
| 05:02.11 | LiENUS | peterS, no they dont |
| 05:02.11 | BUMBACL0T | oh ic |
| 05:02.11 | LiENUS | see windows 2000 |
| 05:02.11 | BUMBACL0T | so what should i do then |
| 05:02.11 | BUMBACL0T | i just patched my windows 2000 machine |
| 05:02.11 | rahul | BUMBACL0T: make sure you're updated. |
| 05:02.12 | BUMBACL0T | i am |
| 05:02.16 | peterS | LiENUS: uh, what does windows 2000 have to do with debian? did Microsoft manage to get correct timezone information after various governments changed their rules, which they often do? |
| 05:02.17 | rahul | then you're good |
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| 05:02.34 | LiENUS | peterS, operating systems dont have to release updates |
| 05:02.56 | BUMBACL0T | i just did an apt-get update and got an update |
| 05:03.02 | BUMBACL0T | about 423 something KB |
| 05:03.10 | peterS | LiENUS: are you saying Windows 2000 gets timezone information correct for the various rule changes in various parts of the world that have been announced more recently than windows 2000 was released? if so, how? |
| 05:03.19 | rahul | BUMBACL0T: use aptitude. |
| 05:03.28 | LiENUS | peterS, i'm saying they dont have to release updates |
| 05:03.36 | peterS | LiENUS: answer my question |
| 05:03.44 | LiENUS | peterS, i just did |
| 05:03.55 | BUMBACL0T | rahul, yeah, just did, i think im good to go |
| 05:03.56 | peterS | LiENUS: either windows 2000 gets the correct timezone updates "without releasing updates" or they do not. which is it? |
| 05:04.10 | LiENUS | they dont |
| 05:04.15 | LiENUS | just like i said |
| 05:04.47 | peterS | LiENUS: so what you're saying is, there is no update available for windows 2000, and users of windows 2000 will not have correct timezone changes for parts of the world whose rules have changed recently? |
| 05:05.22 | LiENUS | PeteS, microsoft didnt have to release an update |
| 05:05.24 | mzilikazi | aha |
| 05:05.26 | mzilikazi | zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 |
| 05:05.26 | LiENUS | and for the most part, they didnt |
| 05:05.28 | mzilikazi | that was it |
| 05:05.29 | BUMBACL0T | there was an update, just like i said, i patched my machine manually |
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| 05:05.53 | peterS | LiENUS: can you and BUMBACL0T decide how it is that he managed to get an update for Windows 2000 if Microsoft didn't release one? |
| 05:06.03 | mzilikazi | should say Mar 11 & Nov 4 |
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| 05:06.13 | LiENUS | peterS, microsoft charges ~4 grand for the update |
| 05:06.23 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: is that true? |
| 05:06.23 | mzilikazi | bahaha |
| 05:06.40 | BUMBACL0T | it wasn't really a "Windows Update" update, it was on their site so i decided to patch my machine |
| 05:06.52 | rahul | BUMBACL0T: update updates package lists. upgrade will upgrade the actual packages that are available for upgrade |
| 05:06.58 | BUMBACL0T | i didn't "Windows Update" and got the timezone update |
| 05:07.02 | BUMBACL0T | i did it manually |
| 05:07.19 | LiENUS | BUMBACL0T, microsoft hasnt posted the windows 2k fix to their site |
| 05:07.27 | itchi | peterS: Have MS not yet stoped to 'update' w2k sind more as a year ago? |
| 05:07.32 | BUMBACL0T | they did |
| 05:07.36 | LiENUS | BUMBACL0T, bs |
| 05:08.20 | BUMBACL0T | itchi, i don't think so |
| 05:08.22 | LiENUS | http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,129550-c,industrynews/article.html |
| 05:08.33 | peterS | one of you is full of crap. and usually when you have a microsoft-basher and a normal person arguing about microsoft, it's the microsoft-basher who is full of crap |
| 05:08.46 | BUMBACL0T | http://support.microsoft.com/gp/dst_hu2?systemlist=w32 |
| 05:09.02 | LiENUS | and itchi yes they have quit |
| 05:09.03 | Xenguy | microsoft *is* full of crap =) |
| 05:09.11 | LiENUS | peterS, http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,129550-c,industrynews/article.html |
| 05:09.17 | BUMBACL0T | LiENUS, you're full of bullshit |
| 05:09.20 | itchi | BUMBACL0T: Hhhmmm the works again on w2k because these have figure it out that vista sucks |
| 05:09.23 | BUMBACL0T | they didn't stop supporting win2k |
| 05:09.24 | itchi | oeps :-p |
| 05:09.28 | BUMBACL0T | i still get updates |
| 05:10.00 | LiENUS | support ran out in 2005 BUMBACL0T |
| 05:10.00 | LiENUS | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx |
| 05:10.01 | itchi | s/the/these/ |
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| 05:11.31 | itchi | Xenguy: Shuuut :-p |
| 05:11.47 | Xenguy | itchi: nah, that's the truth <raspberry> |
| 05:12.27 | peterS | Xenguy: I dunno, I think "the way things should be" is not to run Windows at all |
| 05:12.35 | Xenguy | peterS: even better |
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| 05:14.04 | itchi | There are some (french) mails going around that tell 'how it goes with vista', there's more and more people asking to do 'the' switch :-) |
| 05:15.12 | Xenguy | but the unwashed masses will doubtless prove me wrong ;-) |
| 05:15.37 | Azar | I just checked today and my Debian is already set for the DST change :) |
| 05:15.46 | itchi | In 2008, the governement in Belgium need to 'share' open source docs. It should be then not more alowed to 'share' closed crap. woooaaaa, i can not believe it |
| 05:16.07 | stoned | I just washed a cd with beer |
| 05:16.14 | Azar | hahaha |
| 05:16.21 | rahul | you kawfee |
| 05:16.24 | stoned | not on purpose, I spilt it! |
| 05:16.33 | mzilikazi | stoned: why beer? i can think of much better uses for beer |
| 05:16.37 | rahul | now you're even more of a kawfee |
| 05:16.41 | itchi | stoned: And, is he drunken?? :-) |
| 05:16.51 | Azar | waste of good stuff |
| 05:16.52 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:16.54 | rahul | mzilikazi: depends if it's coors light or pete's wicked :) |
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| 05:17.05 | stoned | I dunno |
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| 05:17.19 | stoned | someonebody ahh, Xenguy was talking about washing things |
| 05:17.32 | stoned | I accidentally spilled beer, so pretty much washed a cd with beer in other words |
| 05:17.37 | Xenguy | aww, yer stoned man :P |
| 05:17.39 | mzilikazi | coors light is beer flavored water |
| 05:17.41 | rahul | haha |
| 05:17.45 | stoned | Xenguy: wrong network |
| 05:17.53 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:17.56 | Xenguy | stoned: right network d00d |
| 05:17.57 | stoned | well on oftc |
| 05:18.06 | Xenguy | heh |
| 05:18.09 | mzilikazi | gimme some breckenridge oatmeal stout |
| 05:18.18 | Xenguy | mzilikazi: scottish? |
| 05:18.32 | Azar | I did not liked oftc ... too dark, too cold |
| 05:18.38 | mzilikazi | nah just a stout lover |
| 05:18.40 | Xenguy | oftc rules |
| 05:18.43 | stoned | no |
| 05:19.04 | Xenguy | me, bitter? nahh |
| 05:19.04 | stoned | oftc does not rule, neither does freenode |
| 05:19.04 | stoned | #debian rules |
| 05:19.05 | peterS | you mispunctuated "debian/rules" |
| 05:19.12 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:19.13 | rahul | I rule |
| 05:19.16 | stoned | hi peterS |
| 05:19.16 | rahul | yo mama! |
| 05:19.19 | peterS | debian rahuls |
| 05:19.24 | rahul | heh |
| 05:19.32 | mzilikazi | cheers! |
| 05:19.41 | Xenguy | clinks all around... |
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| 05:20.03 | stoned | man I won't be here after tomorrow |
| 05:20.10 | mzilikazi | Xenguy: you know Beamish? |
| 05:20.11 | itchi | stoned: He, was it with you that i talked about that combi printer of my mom? She have sell it, i'm near to install Debian on it :-p |
| 05:20.14 | mzilikazi | mmm yunny |
| 05:20.18 | mzilikazi | err yummy |
| 05:20.19 | stoned | there will be much rejoicing |
| 05:20.21 | Xenguy | mzilikazi: beer? |
| 05:20.23 | peterS | what are you doing after tomorrow? |
| 05:20.24 | mzilikazi | yep |
| 05:20.29 | stoned | peterS: moving |
| 05:20.36 | peterS | and getting married? |
| 05:20.53 | stoned | it would be like when Ace Ventura left the monks in the 2nd movie |
| 05:20.55 | itchi | Xenguy: Try Belgium beer :-p |
| 05:20.57 | stoned | peterS: yeh this summer |
| 05:20.59 | thechef | is there a simple way to install debian on computer which has no input or output devices, network only? I would create a personal image which starts an ssh-server automatically with predefined password? |
| 05:21.15 | Xenguy | itchi: if it ain't lager, I'm there in a minute |
| 05:21.29 | stoned | thechef: I beleive the install guide should cover all possibl methods of installation |
| 05:21.32 | stoned | thechef: /msg dpkg ig |
| 05:21.34 | peterS | thechef: a similar procedure is used on the s390 architecture (which doesn't have any concept of a "local console") |
| 05:21.52 | BUMBACL0T | :/ |
| 05:21.58 | thechef | thank you, let's see |
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| 05:22.10 | BUMBACL0T | i got a 2nd-place trophy instead of 1st |
| 05:22.12 | peterS | thechef: but on other architectures I _think_ the closest you get is to install over a serial terminal. most machines, even if they don't have graphics cards or keyboards, do have an RS-232 port somewhere. |
| 05:22.15 | BUMBACL0T | that's sad |
| 05:22.39 | stoned | peterS: you dick around with ppc at all? |
| 05:22.49 | stoned | well, ppc and debian |
| 05:22.56 | peterS | stoned: I've got one sitting behind me, about 4 feet away, running etch |
| 05:23.45 | peterS | however, Xorg doesn't like its graphics card, so I only get a text console |
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| 05:24.32 | Cuddles_in_KY | evening all. |
| 05:24.52 | Cuddles_in_KY | trying to set up debian on what will eventually be a htpc [i hope]. |
| 05:25.04 | peterS | a what? |
| 05:25.13 | BUMBACL0T | lol @ htpc |
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| 05:25.23 | rahul | a hpppptttcccchhhh |
| 05:25.29 | stoned | I have not yet had a chance to mess around, but I've got a powebook running sarge. It is powerbook 3400c from 98. I do not have the original os 8 cds. I booted debian with a mac control panel program. Now the problem is that I get a kernel panic upon boot time. I cannot boot the machine with anything but debian on HDD and original os 8 cds *open firmware bios* I guess won't somehow let me. what should I try? |
| 05:25.30 | Cuddles_in_KY | the card i'm having trouble with is an ati rage mobility, but i can't get x to display properly on the television. any suggestions?. |
| 05:25.35 | stoned | peterS: ^^ |
| 05:26.03 | BUMBACL0T | just a question, why are you using debian as a htpc os? |
| 05:26.06 | peterS | stoned: "kernel panic at boot time" is pretty vague. what does the kernel complain about? |
| 05:26.08 | stoned | this is better for #debianppc |
| 05:26.13 | stoned | peterS: yeh, nevermind bro |
| 05:26.24 | stoned | peterS: I'll have to get the info and come back |
| 05:26.35 | stoned | so i'll try to fix it later |
| 05:26.41 | Cuddles_in_KY | BUMBACL0T: because knoppmyth sucks. why do you use debian? |
| 05:26.44 | stoned | its all packed up right now |
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| 05:27.33 | stoned | KY is kentucky or jelly? |
| 05:27.42 | peterS | in other news, I got new Windows yesterday, woohoo |
| 05:27.43 | BUMBACL0T | use ubuntu, its more friendly-user than debian |
| 05:27.46 | peterS | ...my landlord is renovating his units |
| 05:27.51 | stoned | oh |
| 05:27.58 | stoned | I was about to say man lol |
| 05:28.04 | stoned | you got vista yippy |
| 05:28.05 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:28.08 | Cuddles_in_KY | the state stoned. |
| 05:28.16 | peterS | ITYM the stoned state |
| 05:28.22 | stoned | !itym |
| 05:28.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, itym is I Think You Mean |
| 05:28.23 | Cuddles_in_KY | BUMBACL0T: i've tried it. it doesn't work right either. |
| 05:28.29 | stoned | heh |
| 05:28.46 | mzilikazi | <stoned> KY is kentucky or jelly? |
| 05:28.47 | mzilikazi | bahaha |
| 05:28.52 | stoned | try geexbox? |
| 05:28.57 | stoned | I've used it, and it is fantastic |
| 05:29.00 | Cuddles_in_KY | let me guess. nobody has a real answer. |
| 05:29.21 | stoned | Cuddles_in_KY: I'm sure someone does. Maybe no htpc user is here atm |
| 05:29.38 | stoned | you are however asking about knoppix/myth etc. whatever, which is NOT debian |
| 05:29.51 | stoned | if I understood you correctly, so you can't expect any support in here really |
| 05:29.54 | peterS | more likely no ATI Rage user with TV out is here |
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| 05:30.07 | Cuddles_in_KY | no stoned, i'm asking about debian. i haven't gotten to the point of installing myth yet. |
| 05:30.23 | stoned | Cuddles_in_KY: I see. I've never built an htpc, I have no idea |
| 05:30.37 | stoned | Cuddles_in_KY: try your luck in ##linux or google or wait here and ask again later |
| 05:30.38 | peterS | I know ATI Rage with TV out used to be fairly common but these days those chips are old enough ... probably a bit rare |
| 05:31.00 | Cuddles_in_KY | peters, i have a box of them. |
| 05:31.22 | rahul | Cuddles_in_KY: do you expect us to guess the error? |
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| 05:31.32 | peterS | Cuddles_in_KY: anyway it's probably not a debian-specific problem - we ship XFree86 and Xorg just like everyone else does - so I guess try other forums, or google as others have suggested |
| 05:31.32 | itchi | Cuddles_in_KY: Have you take a look to mythtv? Is very nice, a bit hard to setup but #mythtv will be happy to help you |
| 05:32.02 | Cuddles_in_KY | rahul, no error, just no display. |
| 05:32.21 | Cuddles_in_KY | stoned, i've been everywhere looking for help. even google. |
| 05:32.28 | Cuddles_in_KY | 5 distros over the last week. |
| 05:32.29 | itchi | Cuddles_in_KY: There's also 'elisa' that should be peace of cake to install |
| 05:32.44 | peterS | Cuddles_in_KY: so - the non-debian distributions can't get TV output either? |
| 05:32.52 | Cuddles_in_KY | itchi, i've tried #mythtv. they say it's an os problem. |
| 05:33.12 | stoned | im sure building an htpc with debian would be trivial |
| 05:33.18 | itchi | Cuddles_in_KY: How so a os problem?? |
| 05:33.19 | Cuddles_in_KY | peters, let me clarify. it displays fine in text mode. but soon as i run x, nothing. |
| 05:33.32 | itchi | Cuddles_in_KY: I got it working on my lovely Debian box here |
| 05:33.33 | peterS | Cuddles_in_KY: and this is true of all linux distributions you have tried? |
| 05:33.41 | stoned | I say this because I have yet not purchased the hw, but I've ready many guides and it seems a fairly simple task. |
| 05:33.48 | Cuddles_in_KY | peters, so far, yes. |
| 05:33.57 | Cuddles_in_KY | itchi, i -haven't gotten that far yet- |
| 05:34.08 | stoned | Cuddles_in_KY: which video driver are you using? |
| 05:34.23 | stoned | Cuddles_in_KY: have you checked /var/log/Xorg.X.log |
| 05:34.25 | stoned | X= # |
| 05:34.26 | itchi | Cuddles_in_KY: But take also a look to that elisa stuff, the 'goal' is to be easy install. It's a new project and written in python, wooohooo |
| 05:34.28 | stoned | usually 0 |
| 05:34.41 | Cuddles_in_KY | stoned, i've tried vesafb, ati, fbwhateveritscalled, etc. |
| 05:34.52 | itchi | Cuddles_in_KY: http://www.fluendo.com/elisa/screenshots.php |
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| 05:35.11 | stoned | Cuddles_in_KY: hmm |
| 05:35.15 | Cuddles_in_KY | itchi, i think getting the os working -first- would be of more help. |
| 05:35.16 | stoned | Cuddles_in_KY: try #ati yet? |
| 05:35.29 | Cuddles_in_KY | stoned, 4 days ago. got laughed at. |
| 05:35.36 | stoned | sad |
| 05:36.03 | stoned | well.. don't get discouraged |
| 05:36.06 | itchi | Cuddles_in_KY: Pastebin your error log |
| 05:36.14 | stoned | I'm sure you'll find a way. I'm gonna go drink beer ok? |
| 05:36.17 | stoned | :D |
| 05:36.26 | itchi | !beer stoned |
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| 05:36.57 | itchi | bah, now is he gone :-s |
| 05:39.52 | stoned | ok I put on beefest and pulled out a cold 6 pack |
| 05:40.01 | stoned | now I guzzle beer while I watch Beerfest |
| 05:41.02 | mzilikazi | beerfest? |
| 05:41.19 | stoned | google for beerfest movie |
| 05:41.35 | stoned | rent it, watch it, laugh your balls off, drink a lot of beer and have fun. |
| 05:41.42 | mzilikazi | i want tickets! |
| 05:41.46 | stoned | its on dvd |
| 05:42.15 | teledyn | what's a good webcam app? |
| 05:42.15 | stoned | I wonder if that guy tried GeeXbox |
| 05:42.47 | stoned | wasn't there like |
| 05:42.49 | stoned | camorama |
| 05:42.59 | stoned | apt-cache search webcam :) |
| 05:42.59 | itchi | buerk beer :-p |
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| 05:43.42 | stoned | I have used camorama in the past and it is quite nice |
| 05:43.48 | stoned | !info camorama |
| 05:43.50 | dpkg | camorama: (gnome2 tool to view, alter and save images from a webcam), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.17-5 (sid), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 544 kB |
| 05:44.07 | stoned | I dunno about video, never did none of that |
| 05:44.10 | teledyn | cool. i'm trying gqcam now also |
| 05:45.08 | xerophyte | I have file name "-O" how can i remove it |
| 05:45.15 | xerophyte | ? |
| 05:45.48 | rahul | rm -- -O |
| 05:46.08 | stoned | you want the file gone? or the -0 gone? |
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| 05:51.24 | teledyn | /dev/video: No such file or directory any ideas? |
| 05:51.58 | xerophyte | i mean this command "wet -q -a $LNCPATH -O local_rules.xml $LNCURL" creates the local_rules.xml and file named -O just wondering why is that ? |
| 05:52.29 | rahul | because $LNCPATH is unset |
| 05:52.43 | itchi | teledyn: Is it maybe video0 or video1 ? |
| 05:52.55 | teledyn | itchi: no /dev/video* exists |
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| 05:53.45 | itchi | teledyn: Is your module been loaded? |
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| 05:53.50 | teledyn | itchi: moduel that is supposedly for webcam is, but do i need a v4l module also? |
| 05:54.17 | itchi | teledyn: That of your webcam i think |
| 05:54.47 | teledyn | itchi: maybe its just not supported then. microsoft vx-3000 |
| 05:54.58 | itchi | teledyn: I have that Trust spycam thing, but i not need to load a module, if i remember right |
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| 05:55.14 | teledyn | itchi: this page suggests it might be. the gspca module is loaded |
| 05:55.16 | itchi | teledyn: Is it usb? lsusb and give the output |
| 05:55.16 | teledyn | http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3929 |
| 05:55.34 | teledyn | itchi: it just says "Microsoft Corp." |
| 05:56.35 | teledyn | ID 045e:00f5 |
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| 05:56.50 | itchi | teledyn: Look maybe with lsusb -v |
| 05:56.57 | itchi | teledyn: And google it :-s |
| 05:57.09 | teledyn | googled a lot. only found that above link |
| 05:57.55 | peterS | teledyn: when you see text that says "the gspca driver..." you should next try 'apt-cache search gspca' |
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| 05:58.21 | teledyn | lsusb -v only has Microsoft Crop. and USB Camera, plus extraneous descriptors. nothing like a chipset mfg or anything :-( |
| 05:58.46 | teledyn | peterS: gspca is loaded |
| 05:59.20 | koane | i have install snmp and mrtg but executing the command 'mrtg' produces blank. anyone here using mrtg? |
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| 06:00.09 | teledyn | i wouldn't have gotten this thing only it happens to clip onto my notebook lcd bezel really well |
| 06:00.48 | peterS | rahul: I've always favored rm ./-O over rm -- -O. I suppose because I don't trust -- to mean the same thing in all unixes, though I guess POSIX specifies it |
| 06:02.05 | stoned | I must chime in |
| 06:02.08 | stoned | 'unices' |
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| 06:02.29 | itchi | Where is the apache's cgi-bin directory ? |
| 06:02.51 | peterS | itchi: wherever you want one. see /etc/apache/httpd.conf or /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 06:03.07 | itchi | peterS: Is that the /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ default? |
| 06:03.13 | itchi | peterS: Ow, i gona look |
| 06:03.16 | peterS | itchi: look for ScriptAlias in those files |
| 06:03.22 | stoned | I have mine in ~/public_html/cgi-bin |
| 06:04.04 | stoned | of course, with userdir enabled |
| 06:04.20 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.21 | itchi | It |
| 06:04.27 | Azar | rm rahul's beer |
| 06:04.30 | itchi | oeps, It's for that trac thing |
| 06:04.44 | stoned | Tenac + aciousD |
| 06:04.48 | stoned | great movie |
| 06:05.16 | Azar | I can't believe today I have exactly one year without beer |
| 06:05.32 | peterS | a year without beer should be called a yeer |
| 06:05.38 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:05.51 | Azar | now if I could only have one year without food too.. |
| 06:06.06 | stoned | man |
| 06:06.10 | peterS | a yood probably wouldn't be very good for you |
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| 06:06.17 | stoned | everytime I drink beer it makes me hungry for steak |
| 06:06.19 | stoned | and potatos |
| 06:06.41 | stoned | is that normal? |
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| 06:06.47 | Azar | yup |
| 06:06.52 | stoned | I mean I don't even get that much munchies off pot man |
| 06:06.53 | stoned | damn |
| 06:07.13 | sparr | i ran a game and now im stuck in 640x400 resolution. kde control center cant change it, xrandr cant change it. help? |
| 06:07.26 | Azar | I stopped drinking beer when people noticed I became delusional after the 2nd |
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| 06:08.02 | stoned | sparr: uhm ehh alt+ctrl+ (+) or (-) |
| 06:08.13 | stoned | maybe if yo have any other resolutions specified |
| 06:08.21 | Azar | he is still stucked in the full screen game area? |
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| 06:08.26 | stoned | if you only have one in xorg.conf like me, y ou're fucked |
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| 06:08.41 | sparr | stoned: i have many in xorg.conf, and they usually work with ctrl-alt-+ and xrandr, but not right now |
| 06:08.45 | sparr | Azar: so it seems |
| 06:08.49 | stoned | oh hmm |
| 06:08.56 | stoned | sdl game? |
| 06:09.00 | stoned | must be sdl |
| 06:09.02 | koane | bunch of drunkards. stopping dreaming and start answering some questions. |
| 06:09.11 | sparr | cedega, straight X+opengl i think |
| 06:09.12 | AlphaDOG | hi there, what the critical load of a debian? |
| 06:09.17 | itchi | In the trac docs there is noted to put <Location "/cgi-bin/trac.cgi">; SetEnv TRAC_ENV "/path/to/projectenv"; </Location> the SetEnv is that been right? apache say me Invalid command 'SetEnv' |
| 06:09.36 | AlphaDOG | 2.00 2.00 2.00 its critical? |
| 06:09.56 | sparr | AlphaDOG: there is no set number |
| 06:10.09 | drunk | I'm hanging around 1.8x etc. |
| 06:10.28 | koane | anyone knows what is mrtg? |
| 06:10.28 | drunk | well it varies but around there |
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| 06:10.32 | Azar | well... I once got stucked in egoboo screen when I never had the nvidia instaled... so I used the force Luke: I reboot |
| 06:10.36 | drunk | its like router stuff |
| 06:10.38 | drunk | I can't recall |
| 06:10.49 | cwill1 | I have an evil request: |
| 06:10.49 | drunk | google for mrtg then |
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| 06:10.53 | drunk | !mrtg |
| 06:10.53 | dpkg | mrtg is probably old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ |
| 06:10.59 | cwill1 | Can I force apt to ignore a broken package? |
| 06:12.02 | Azar | stoned we could not help sparr at all.. |
| 06:12.18 | Azar | pack and go |
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| 06:12.24 | drunk | huh |
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| 06:12.47 | drunk | well what do I know |
| 06:12.54 | drunk | I'm just a stupid pothead right |
| 06:13.00 | drunk | fuck off |
| 06:13.02 | Azar | sparr fixed? |
| 06:13.03 | koane | drunk: you are not as drunk as it sounds. :P but the dpkg sucks. rrdtools and mrtg are two diff things. |
| 06:13.32 | peterS | hmmmm |
| 06:13.47 | peterS | !mrtg =~ s/rrdtools/rrdtool/ |
| 06:13.47 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 06:14.06 | sparr | something has royally f*cked my xorg.conf. it now has only 5 resolutions, not including my max 1280x1024, including some weird ones like 1280x854. X is now running with a viewport. pre-reboot, xrandr listed a dozen valid resolutions. help? |
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| 06:14.41 | teledyn | sparr: reconfigure xserver? |
| 06:14.54 | sparr | teledyn: id rather not |
| 06:15.00 | sparr | aha |
| 06:15.06 | sparr | xorg.conf.1 was preserved by whatever |
| 06:15.08 | sparr | brb |
| 06:15.15 | Azar | sparr: if only for restoring your beloved resolution |
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| 06:15.45 | Azar | good to have backups uh? |
| 06:16.16 | Azar | stonage |
| 06:16.59 | sparr | backups are good |
| 06:17.01 | sparr | all is well |
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| 06:17.26 | teledyn | glad we could help ;-) |
| 06:18.06 | fran | Hello all, greetings from Argentina |
| 06:18.51 | stoned | I would love to go to south america |
| 06:18.52 | teledyn | fran! |
| 06:18.58 | stoned | I hear they have killer stuff |
| 06:18.59 | Azar | mister fran! |
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| 06:19.12 | stoned | fran is a girls name innit? |
| 06:19.22 | stoned | short for francis |
| 06:19.25 | stoned | or sometning |
| 06:19.26 | fran | Sorry for my ignorance... Is it possible to build a customized debian cd? I mean, I require some packages that aren´t in cd1, can I build my own cd with base instaler and packages of my choice? |
| 06:19.59 | fran | stoned: short for 'francisco', which is like english frank I think |
| 06:20.03 | stoned | ahh |
| 06:20.10 | stoned | my bad, im ignorant too |
| 06:20.11 | Azar | for yourself, or for your grandkids? |
| 06:20.37 | teledyn | fran: see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
| 06:21.06 | fran | teledyn: Thanks |
| 06:21.37 | Azar | teledyn: I thought fran was someone from Debian traveling to Argentina.. |
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| 06:22.12 | teledyn | Azar: i was just being friendly :-) |
| 06:22.19 | Azar | :D |
| 06:22.24 | fran | Azar: No, I live here :) |
| 06:22.35 | cwill1 | where does apt keep track of broken dependencies? |
| 06:22.38 | Azar | speaking about .. I wonder where is Guering travelling nowadays |
| 06:22.43 | Azar | fran good for you |
| 06:23.06 | peterS | Azar: Guerin? ask him, last I heard he was sitting in NZ |
| 06:23.22 | Azar | what a life... |
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| 06:24.03 | fran | Azar: If I could have chosen, I would have preferred some East Europe Country |
| 06:24.36 | Azar | bah too cold for me there |
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| 06:25.11 | fran | Too hot here :/ |
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| 06:27.36 | Azar | good day honorables |
| 06:28.01 | koane | my wlan router is degrading. thinking of replacing it with an old 266-Mhz pc, running debian of course. will it be an easy task? any source for helpful info? |
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| 06:28.48 | DocPlatypus | koane: at the risk of getting flamed to a crisp I recommend OpenBSD over Debian for a dedicated router |
| 06:29.27 | peterS | DocPlatypus: any particular reason? |
| 06:29.28 | DocPlatypus | if it has to do other things, Debian might be a better choice |
| 06:29.54 | DocPlatypus | peterS: security and ease of setup... pf is much easier to understand and better documented than iptables/ipchains |
| 06:29.57 | koane | DocPlatypus: i will defintely not flame you, you are being helpful but I want to stick with something familiar, like debian. |
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| 06:31.26 | DocPlatypus | in fairness a Debian GNU/kOpenBSD would be a decent compromise. I'm not sure what the GNU/kFreeBSD and GNU/kNetBSD ports have as far as packet filters go |
| 06:31.39 | koane | this is not something new. i came across such a project based on slackware. if it has been done on debian, i would want to avoid re-inventing the wheeel. |
| 06:31.53 | peterS | don't all the free BSDs use pf? |
| 06:32.21 | DocPlatypus | they all have it as an option, but I'm referring to the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD and GNU/kNetBSD ports |
| 06:32.27 | cwill1 | hacking up /var/lib/dpkg/status ftw! |
| 06:33.03 | peterS | cwill1: a slightly less evil solution is usually to create one or more dummy packages with 'equivs' |
| 06:33.04 | orkid | not bsd, or linux |
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| 06:34.05 | DocPlatypus | orkid: you mean a BSD operating system ported to the Linux kernel? |
| 06:34.10 | DocPlatypus | I am not sure that has even been tried |
| 06:34.29 | orkid | DocPlatypus, something like Gentoo/BSD |
| 06:34.32 | peterS | DocPlatypus: it's been partially tried, google for 'mastodon linux' |
| 06:34.57 | peterS | DocPlatypus: mastodon is a distribution by david parsons attempting to use as little gnu bloatware as possible |
| 06:34.59 | DocPlatypus | orkid: ok, that would be a GNU variant ported to run under a BSD kernel |
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| 06:35.21 | DocPlatypus | please only use Linux to refer to Linus Torvalds' kernel, *not* an operating system. |
| 06:35.34 | DocPlatypus | especially in this context where it is most confusing |
| 06:35.36 | koane | the machine i am thinking of using is one of the wlan clients, so the wireless capability is there. with 64MB mem, will it be up to the task? |
| 06:35.39 | orkid | sry for the misnomer |
| 06:35.54 | DocPlatypus | this is *why* Stallman asks us to refer to GNU/Linux |
| 06:36.12 | orkid | well, what other Linux is there though? |
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| 06:36.25 | teledyn | is there non-GNU Linux? |
| 06:36.41 | peterS | teledyn: mastodon is the closest thing there is |
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| 06:36.48 | DocPlatypus | orkid: there is a kernel called Linux. it is a kernel. it is not an operating system. you need GNU with it in order to have a working computer. |
| 06:36.56 | DocPlatypus | thus, GNU/Linux or GNU+Linux |
| 06:37.02 | orkid | i undestand. i apologized for ht misnomer |
| 06:37.19 | peterS | DocPlatypus: oh, enough already. you need a great deal more than GNU software to get a useful system. to put GNU in the name, but not KDE for example, is just silly |
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| 06:38.02 | DocPlatypus | peterS: fine, if you want to call it KDE/GNU/Linux, I'm not going to stop you |
| 06:38.02 | peterS | I'm not going to start calling my system Xorg/Linux, even though there is a huge amount of important software from x.org on it |
| 06:38.16 | peterS | and nobody from freedesktop has ever asked me to call it that |
| 06:38.26 | peterS | it seems only Richard Stallman has that kind of chutzpah |
| 06:38.30 | DocPlatypus | without GNU, the kernel Linux wouldn't be at all useful. |
| 06:38.53 | LeFallen | I call mine aterm/Fluxbox/Xorg/GNU/Linux/AMD/PC myself. |
| 06:39.35 | teledyn | what does that mean "the last a.out distribution" ? |
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| 06:39.52 | peterS | I have been waiting for many years for Stallman to explain what it is about his pet project that makes it so much more vital to my system than XFree86 or xemacs or util-linux or sysvinit |
| 06:39.53 | Zao | teledyn: Still using a.out instead of ELF binaries? |
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| 06:40.07 | teledyn | how does he do that? |
| 06:40.14 | peterS | teledyn: as Zao said - it's still using a.out binaries, almost nobody else does |
| 06:40.44 | teledyn | peterS: how does it use them? |
| 06:40.57 | peterS | I don't understand your question. it uses them the same way anybody would use them |
| 06:41.09 | teledyn | a special kernel? |
| 06:41.18 | peterS | no, the standard kernel supports a.out binaries |
| 06:41.25 | scv | embedded? |
| 06:41.32 | DocPlatypus | peterS: without GNU, there wouldn't be a free software movement as it exists today |
| 06:41.35 | peterS | that is what we all used back before 1995 or so when ELF became popular |
| 06:41.39 | peterS | DocPlatypus: so? |
| 06:41.41 | teledyn | what makes a.out binaries, as opposed to standard elf ones? |
| 06:41.42 | fran | Last a.out distribution? Not right now, but I have a 386 SX 33Mhz with 8 megs of ram and 200Mb hdd running slackware 3.5.. Ah, living in the third world! |
| 06:41.49 | peterS | DocPlatypus: does that mean openoffice should be GNU/Openoffice? |
| 06:41.50 | DocPlatypus | as it is, Linus Torvalds is less than willing to vigorously enforce the GPL the way it should be |
| 06:41.57 | scv | fran: lol |
| 06:42.14 | DocPlatypus | so we have nVidious and ATi linking blobs into the kernel, Linux, willy nilly |
| 06:42.41 | DocPlatypus | peterS: OpenOffice.org isn't part of the GNU project and runs on operating systems besides GNU and GNU variants |
| 06:42.53 | DocPlatypus | a completely different beast |
| 06:43.01 | koane | heard of freesco or free-cisco? this may be what i want. got to read further. |
| 06:43.12 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: isn't it a problem though that the linux api changes too much for vendors? |
| 06:43.15 | peterS | DocPlatypus: then take back your argument about how the free software community "woudln't exist" without RMS. if that is a valid argument, then it is also a valid argument for calling openoffice GNU/Openoffice |
| 06:43.24 | enouf | sco? oh dear |
| 06:43.42 | scv | who is RMS? |
| 06:43.49 | DocPlatypus | peterS: I'm not going to take back my argument. it is not a valid argument for prefixing OpenOffice.org with "GNU/" |
| 06:43.55 | enouf | a bearded hippie |
| 06:43.59 | scv | hahaha |
| 06:44.05 | enouf | looks like fidel castro :-P |
| 06:44.12 | DocPlatypus | scv: Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation and leader of the free software movement |
| 06:44.16 | teledyn | peterS: is a special compiler needed to make a.out binaries? |
| 06:44.17 | peterS | DocPlatypus: then it also isn't a valid argument for prefixing Linux with "GNU/". both projects are free software and, according to your argument, "wouldn't exist" without the FSF |
| 06:44.22 | scv | i used to consider RMS was a good singer |
| 06:44.46 | scv | he likes ka-la ok |
| 06:44.56 | peterS | teledyn: you have to configure gcc appropriately. the more significant thing you need is a version of libc that can be built for a.out. that means libc4. (libc5 replaced it and switched to elf, libc6 is also known as glibc 2.x) |
| 06:45.01 | DocPlatypus | peterS: when referring to the kernel, Linux, then you say "Linux". when referring to the operating system GNU combined with the kernel, Linux, then you say "GNU/Linux" or "GNU+Linux" |
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| 06:45.24 | empath | OMG! |
| 06:45.28 | teledyn | peterS: oh. so really ancient libc4. |
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| 06:45.45 | enouf | scv .. but I personally concur with the GPL principals, so i admire him .. and the overall oftc/foss movement(s) |
| 06:45.47 | eltruco | how can i configure alsa to saving the volume when i turn off the computer? |
| 06:45.51 | empath | this is like a very silly discussion between two young person who want to make a statement |
| 06:45.56 | peterS | DocPlatypus: when referring to the whole OS, I still say Linux. just saying "it wouldn't exist without the FSF" is not sufficient for me. there are a lot of people, and projects, without which Linux would not be recognisably Linux today |
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| 06:46.03 | teledyn | empath: i think /etc/init.d/alsa-utils save |
| 06:46.04 | DocPlatypus | again, you're free to port a BSD variant to run under Linux, the kernel, and call it by whatever you want. heck, for all I know they'd prefer you call it "Linux" despite the confusion due to the old BSD license's no advertising clause |
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| 06:46.14 | empath | teledyn, what? lol |
| 06:46.19 | DocPlatypus | peterS: and that's wrong, because the operating system also has a name, GNU |
| 06:46.20 | enouf | scv: you mean REM |
| 06:46.30 | teledyn | empath: sorry that was for eltruco |
| 06:46.36 | teledyn | eltruco: i think /etc/init.d/alsa-utils save |
| 06:46.37 | empath | teledyn, alright, np :) |
| 06:46.46 | DocPlatypus | in fact I usually just say I run a GNU variant, I don't even mention the kernel, Linux, unless I have to |
| 06:46.49 | koane | ahh..freesco is not compatible with apache2 |
| 06:47.06 | eltruco | teledyn: let me see |
| 06:47.08 | peterS | DocPlatypus: not the OS I use. the OS I use has a name and that is Debian. That is enough of a name. |
| 06:47.30 | empath | DocPlatypus, and peterS : linux for short, personal choice ok? GNU/Linux is political correct i guess, or more formal, but whotf cares really? say as you prefer simple as that |
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| 06:47.37 | DocPlatypus | sometimes, rarely, I'll call it just Debian |
| 06:47.38 | empath | no need for... you know...! whatever |
| 06:47.41 | peterS | DocPlatypus: Debian runs a lot of free software from a huge number of contributors, one of whom is the Free Software Foundation. but I see no reason to single them out. |
| 06:48.33 | teledyn | who wrote the init? |
| 06:48.49 | peterS | I don't think GNU software is irreplaceable, other than perhaps gcc. if the FSF didn't exist, all the other components of what they call 'a GNU system' would still be available from somebody or other. |
| 06:49.11 | empath | probably |
| 06:49.27 | peterS | so when RMS says "if not for us, you wouldn't be here", I have to reply "yeah thanks for gcc, the rest of your system is nice but it isn't as important as you think" |
| 06:49.29 | DocPlatypus | right but not under the GPL and we would be stuck under the mercy of proprietary Unix vendors because the BSD license does not require you to make source code available |
| 06:49.42 | fran | Hello Monypenny, my name is Linux, GNU Linux (?) |
| 06:49.51 | peterS | DocPlatypus: I guess that's why FreeBSD costs so much money |
| 06:50.00 | DocPlatypus | and yes I find, say, GNU su and its lack of support of the wheel group obnoxious |
| 06:50.10 | empath | how silly isnt this? :o |
| 06:50.21 | DocPlatypus | peterS: they could in theory decide "no more source code" tomorrow and you'd be SOL |
| 06:50.51 | peterS | DocPlatypus: uh, su uses pam, if you want wheel group support, tell /etc/pam.d/su to use pam_wheel |
| 06:50.54 | DocPlatypus | MacOS X has FreeBSD code in it. Apple doesn't have to give it to you |
| 06:50.54 | teledyn | isn't init the very first thing that gets run? who wrote it? |
| 06:51.10 | peterS | teledyn: Debian developer Miguel van Smoorenburg, I believe |
| 06:51.22 | DocPlatypus | teledyn: init doesn't matter as much as some would have you believe |
| 06:51.40 | empath | DocPlatypus, even if whoever says something about no-source independant developers could choose to release it themself right? |
| 06:51.41 | peterS | teledyn: hmmm, I was close, his name is spelled Miquel. I couldn't remember because he usually goes by Mike |
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| 06:52.17 | empath | just because the founder of an ideology stops supporting it doesnt mean it wont have any followers left... if you get my point |
| 06:52.58 | peterS | DocPlatypus: if you want to complain about the BSD license, FreeBSD is a very poor example. you'd do much better to talk about proprietary X hardware drivers and modules from the various Unix vendors. |
| 06:53.04 | teledyn | peterS: that is one of the most critical things, is it not? |
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| 06:53.15 | DocPlatypus | peterS: oh I have a huge beef with those too |
| 06:53.18 | DocPlatypus | anyway |
| 06:53.25 | peterS | teledyn: yes. so it util-linux, which for some reason nobody really wanted to call util-gnu-linux |
| 06:53.54 | empath | teledyn, I thought you were a bot ... |
| 06:54.02 | DocPlatypus | and that makes sense for utilities that are specific to the kernel, Linux, and which do not depend on other parts of GNU to run |
| 06:54.07 | teledyn | empath: why? |
| 06:54.26 | peterS | DocPlatypus: ahh but util-linux depends on just as many "parts of GNU" as you call them, as any other software does. |
| 06:54.27 | eltruco | teledyn: hmm dont worki alsa-utils scrip |
| 06:54.41 | teledyn | eltruco: what about /etc/init.d/alsa script? |
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| 06:54.55 | DocPlatypus | err, that was phrased poorly |
| 06:55.09 | teledyn | empath: because you failed to detect any empathic energy emanating from me? |
| 06:55.10 | eltruco | teledyn: i dont have that script |
| 06:55.20 | DocPlatypus | for utilities which are specific to a variant of GNU running under Linux, the kernel, it makes sense |
| 06:55.24 | koane | here's another one - clark connect. |
| 06:55.35 | empath | teledyn, no thats what i detected that made me sure you are not a bot |
| 06:55.38 | empath | :) |
| 06:55.42 | teledyn | eltruco: maybe alsactl can do it |
| 06:55.51 | LeFallen | I think it's more: a lot of people decided to call their GNU/Linux/Xorg etc operating system, Linux as a whole, which JUST HAPPENS to be thge name of the kernel. It's not that they are putting more or less value on GNU stuff, or the kernel. |
| 06:55.57 | teledyn | eltruco: alsactl store |
| 06:56.19 | empath | exactly, LeFallen |
| 06:56.23 | scv | linux is a kernel, bsd is a system |
| 06:56.29 | scv | iirc |
| 06:56.35 | LeFallen | It might as well have been called foobar or whatever. I'm sure if it was, rms wouldn't be asking for GNU to be prefixed. |
| 06:56.42 | peterS | correct. if you have a whole system based on linux you call it debian |
| 06:56.56 | peterS | so freebsd is more on the branding level of debian than the branding level of linux |
| 06:56.59 | LeFallen | It just so happens that sadly people chose the word Linux which is also the kernels name. |
| 06:57.06 | DocPlatypus | LeFallen: he probably would. if you had spent 10 years on a project just to have some schmuck come in, contribute one last missing piece, and take all the credit, you'd be annoyed to |
| 06:57.10 | DocPlatypus | too* |
| 06:57.12 | teledyn | empath: why did i seem like one in the first place? |
| 06:57.15 | scv | gnulinux? |
| 06:57.17 | eltruco | teledyn: but that only works when run that command, what about if i want that the settings store by default when i turn off the computer ever? |
| 06:57.22 | scv | sounds stupid |
| 06:57.29 | LeFallen | DocPlatypus: But if it were called foobar, who's taking the credit? |
| 06:57.31 | empath | teledyn, your nick seems alittle way robotic for a real person, no offence |
| 06:57.33 | empath | :) |
| 06:57.37 | teledyn | eltruco: man alsactl |
| 06:57.40 | tmcks | if I want to run mysql4 and mysql5 concurrently am I going to have to build from source to place one in a different spot? |
| 06:57.40 | peterS | DocPlatypus: "one last missing piece"!?!? are you really saying everything I find useful to make my machine go, except the kernel, is from the FSF? that's pretty arrogant |
| 06:57.44 | DocPlatypus | LeFallen: they are still not calling it a GNU variant, which it is |
| 06:57.48 | eltruco | teledyn: i didi that == |
| 06:57.50 | eltruco | =) |
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| 06:57.54 | teledyn | empath: its sort of made out of greek words |
| 06:58.04 | empath | tele and dyn? |
| 06:58.12 | DocPlatypus | peterS: GNU was a complete, usable operating system with only the kernel left to write when Linus Torvalds released his under the GPL |
| 06:58.28 | teledyn | empath: yes - "far" and "move" or something like it |
| 06:58.29 | DocPlatypus | at least, that's what I read in Stallman's version of the events |
| 06:58.34 | empath | cool |
| 06:58.45 | scv | gnu+hurd? |
| 06:58.50 | LeFallen | DocPlatypus: perhaps. It happens all the time with pretty much everything however. You don't refer to your car by the independent manufacturer of all the components do you? |
| 06:58.50 | DocPlatypus | and there is also a GNU kernel, called Hurd which runs on top of a microkernel |
| 06:58.56 | peterS | DocPlatypus: that's true ... in the sense that GNU software _plus_ lots of non-GNU software, together, made a usable OS that lacked only a kernel |
| 06:59.12 | DocPlatypus | LeFallen: I don't, but neither do I call it a DieHard car after I go to Sears when the factory battery goes kaput |
| 06:59.21 | peterS | DocPlatypus: but if we accept that way of looking at it, why did GNU steal all the naming credit from the other contributors? |
| 06:59.48 | scv | how about windows kernel+gnu? "GNU/Windows Vista"? |
| 07:00.02 | scv | hahaha |
| 07:00.07 | DocPlatypus | peterS: and I think your definition of "usable OS" includes a lot of things which are not strictly necessary |
| 07:00.08 | empath | I wouldnt say stealing i would saying creating a new era, but ok :P i still think its from if RMS or whoever says that others would be nothing without GNU |
| 07:00.20 | peterS | DocPlatypus: I think your definition lacks a lot of things I find necessary |
| 07:00.23 | DocPlatypus | you don't need an X server or GUI to have an operating system |
| 07:00.26 | empath | GNU would be nothing without the very amount of effort from alot of people! FINAL WORD! |
| 07:00.32 | LeFallen | The standard should be to name it after the distro I guess, as is the case with cars and other things. |
| 07:00.47 | DocPlatypus | maybe you think you do, but they are not strictly necessary |
| 07:00.53 | peterS | DocPlatypus: necessary for what? |
| 07:01.04 | DocPlatypus | peterS: to have a usable operating system |
| 07:01.15 | empath | isnt a kernel necessary? |
| 07:01.22 | empath | that thing GNU lacked? |
| 07:01.25 | peterS | DocPlatypus: your arrogance in telling me what I need to have a usable operating system exceeds even your arrogance in saying GNU created a whole OS |
| 07:01.29 | empath | or am i wrong |
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| 07:01.42 | scv | they can put a kernel on the pc bios i guess |
| 07:01.50 | DocPlatypus | empath: yes you need a kernel. however that's only a small part of the operating system, much like the battery is only one small part of a car |
| 07:02.03 | DocPlatypus | I don't drive a DieHard car, I drive a Ford Thunderbird |
| 07:02.06 | empath | HAH! |
| 07:02.13 | DocPlatypus | or Plymouth Sundance as the case may be |
| 07:02.19 | empath | but a battery is then essential, not just a small part |
| 07:02.25 | empath | its required to get everything working :P |
| 07:02.28 | scv | think of this, a dos/windows/mac/linux/bsd kernel in the bios |
| 07:02.28 | teledyn | maybe they should try something radical and forget the word linux altogether. call debian "really neat OS" or something |
| 07:02.32 | cwill1 | well, engine is probably a better fit than battery :/ |
| 07:02.54 | empath | yea |
| 07:02.56 | peterS | yes, a kernel is more like the engine. the GNU portions of the system are perhaps like the drivetrain. |
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| 07:03.09 | empath | the engine is still essential |
| 07:03.11 | empath | must have part |
| 07:03.12 | peterS | but you don't name a car after its engine + drivetrain any more than you name it after just the engine |
| 07:03.13 | DocPlatypus | the GNU/kFreeBSD and GNU/kNetBSD ports prove it is possible to use other kernels besides Linux |
| 07:03.15 | cwill1 | and seats, et al |
| 07:03.42 | empath | cwill1, yep |
| 07:03.59 | empath | DocPlatypus, i dont know where you wanna get with this discussion? |
| 07:04.04 | cwill1 | does stallman have the same issues with the bsd's re: naming? |
| 07:04.15 | teledyn | i think it should be called CosmicOS |
| 07:04.19 | scv | iirc, bsd use its own code on gnu utils |
| 07:04.21 | peterS | cwill1: the thing about the BSDs is, they don't use very much GNU software. they don't like it, they think their own software is better. |
| 07:04.24 | DocPlatypus | cwill1: OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc. are complete operating systems, kernel included |
| 07:04.28 | cwill1 | ahh |
| 07:04.33 | DocPlatypus | all they use are gcc |
| 07:04.41 | empath | heh |
| 07:04.44 | scv | no bsd+gnu, bsd has its own code |
| 07:04.45 | concept10 | are all the kernels different? |
| 07:04.58 | peterS | cwill1: they include gcc, I believe, but for some reason Stallman doesn't think he needs to impose his own branding on them just because they use a certain amount of his software. I don't know why he doesn't. |
| 07:05.05 | DocPlatypus | all the *BSD kernels have common ancestry, but they are all very different now |
| 07:05.05 | teledyn | "cosmo" for short |
| 07:05.27 | scv | bsd is a all-in-one bastard |
| 07:05.28 | peterS | concept10: the FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD kernels are still similar enough that drivers are often ported from one to another |
| 07:05.34 | scv | s/a/sn |
| 07:05.38 | scv | s/a/an |
| 07:05.39 | DocPlatypus | peterS: because they aren't other derivations of the GNU operating system |
| 07:05.48 | teledyn | "yeah i run cosmo. what about you?" |
| 07:06.00 | peterS | DocPlatypus: they use gcc, they couldn't exist without it, so why doesn't he think all their base are belongs to GNU? |
| 07:06.01 | DocPlatypus | do you actually know what is in, say, OpenBSD? |
| 07:06.01 | scv | cosmo? |
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| 07:06.21 | teledyn | scv: that's the informal name of CosmicOS |
| 07:06.38 | peterS | his criterion seems to be "our software is essential for your system to exist". well. |
| 07:06.47 | scv | bsds even can't support each others well |
| 07:06.51 | DocPlatypus | peterS: I'll refer you to what Stallman actually wrote |
| 07:06.59 | DocPlatypus | since apparently you're going to twist whatever I say into something completely different |
| 07:07.02 | peterS | I've read what he wrote. it makes no sense to me. |
| 07:07.45 | DocPlatypus | http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html |
| 07:07.46 | fooz | hehe |
| 07:07.50 | concept10 | I like Stallman, but the FSF is wacky imho |
| 07:08.19 | scv | i like RMS+GNU+FSF |
| 07:08.24 | concept10 | the badvista website is a waste of text and bandwidth |
| 07:08.26 | peterS | the only difference between the FSF claim to the Linux brand and the Xorg claim to the Linux brand is that Xorg never tried to develop an OS. since the FSF did try to develop an OS, clearly they'd rather believe they succeeded and should have a hand in naming the OS |
| 07:08.28 | empath | I like icecream |
| 07:08.39 | cwill1 | me too |
| 07:08.40 | DocPlatypus | peterS: what "FSF claim to the Linux brand"?! |
| 07:08.43 | teledyn | i like cosmo |
| 07:08.44 | DocPlatypus | there is none |
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| 07:09.09 | scv | is debian a part of GNU? |
| 07:09.14 | peterS | DocPlatypus: well, when I say "the FSF" I really mean "RMS", but as far as I can tell the two are pretty nearly synonymous |
| 07:09.28 | scv | umm |
| 07:09.29 | peterS | as far as policymaking, anyway |
| 07:09.33 | DocPlatypus | the FSF has claimed the name GNU for its operating system, and most so-called "Linux" systems are GNU variants properly called GNU+Linux or GNU/Linux |
| 07:09.36 | scv | RMS=GNU/FSF |
| 07:09.52 | DocPlatypus | please avoid confusing the issue here |
| 07:09.57 | empath | E=MC2! |
| 07:09.59 | empath | wait |
| 07:10.01 | empath | nvm |
| 07:10.08 | peterS | they can call anything they want GNU, that doesn't mean they wrote a majority of it, and it doesn't mean they have the moral right to ask anyone else to call it that |
| 07:10.10 | concept10 | It basically comes down to this: Stallman want to use the popularity of Linux and open source to keep promoting his ideals, including free software, no patents, no DRM, etc (or is it the other way around) |
| 07:10.27 | concept10 | I see no problem with that |
| 07:10.33 | concept10 | I give GNU respect |
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| 07:11.02 | peterS | they didn't write the majority of it, but they want to use the name GNU to refer to the whole OS. and yet when other people, who didn't write a majority of the system either, want to call it Linux, they object. that's kinda what I call a double standard. |
| 07:11.05 | DocPlatypus | concept10: the open source movement splintered from the free software movement because some people thought it would be easier to "sell" the concept without the reminder of freedom |
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| 07:11.19 | eltruco | how can i add the dhclient to run levels? |
| 07:11.20 | DocPlatypus | unfortunately for those of us who care about our freedom, it worked too well |
| 07:11.40 | scv | who is the successor of RMS? |
| 07:11.44 | peterS | eltruco: edit /etc/network/interfaces as documented in 'man interfaces'. it will invoke dhclient as needed. |
| 07:11.47 | concept10 | DocPlatypus, I don't see anything wrong with the "split". There are benefits to open source without the politics involved |
| 07:11.49 | SubStack | RMS can never die |
| 07:11.57 | teledyn | eltruco: isn't it already?: |
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| 07:12.01 | SubStack | he will simply be replaced with a program |
| 07:12.02 | scv | i mean... somedays... |
| 07:12.02 | peterS | scv: I rather doubt he has named a successor. he's only like 50 years old |
| 07:12.04 | SubStack | of his own creation |
| 07:12.09 | concept10 | The Architect |
| 07:12.14 | DocPlatypus | scv: I would guess Eben Moglen will run it if something tragic happened to Stallman tomorrow |
| 07:12.17 | eltruco | teledyn : no |
| 07:12.21 | DocPlatypus | err would |
| 07:12.23 | scv | hahaha |
| 07:12.46 | empath | heh |
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| 07:13.38 | teledyn | eltruco: read the docs. it has a ip-up.d script. there's also an init.d script which i guess you could symlink in your runlevel |
| 07:13.38 | eltruco | teledyn i have these 2 lines auto lo --- iface lo inet loopback |
| 07:13.54 | peterS | the only difference between calling Linux GNU/Linux, and calling GNU Xorg/GNU, is that the Xorg people aren't constantly whining about it. I guess it's a squeaky wheel issue. I, however, choose to ignore the squeaky wheel. |
| 07:14.20 | concept10 | I personally do not mind proprietary applications. I just don't spend money on them. I do enjoy freedom and open formats. I think there is value to having open and closed source applications. |
| 07:14.30 | peterS | doesn't make it squeak less, but it does make me feel as though I'm not being blackmailed into doing what someone else wants, by the squeaking |
| 07:14.52 | teledyn | eltruco: dpkg -L ddclient |less |
| 07:15.05 | concept10 | The idea that no proprietary software should exist is a stretch. |
| 07:15.20 | empath | naturally we need freedom, and choices = freedom |
| 07:15.21 | DocPlatypus | peterS: I refer to GNU/Linux because it's the morally right thing to do |
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| 07:15.48 | peterS | DocPlatypus: no more morally right than naming a dozen major contributors. except that 11 of those contributors aren't whining all the time. |
| 07:15.54 | DocPlatypus | in fact I'm more likely to refer to just "a GNU variant" as the Linux kernel can and should be replaced as soon as it's practical |
| 07:16.01 | scv | history would say the ip software is an evil in the 20th century |
| 07:16.30 | concept10 | Linux will never be "replaced" |
| 07:16.41 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: don't you think everyone knows what you mean when you say "i run linux", that you are running free software and what it means? |
| 07:16.47 | peterS | scv: I sentence you to use the OSI stack, starting now. come back when you've learned your lesson about protocols which are evil and protocols which are not |
| 07:16.58 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: or just say "i use open-source software" |
| 07:17.08 | scv | hahaha |
| 07:17.10 | DocPlatypus | teledyn: no, people don't know that. they equate "Linux" with the open source movement, which stands for convenience |
| 07:17.11 | concept10 | It will be just another operating system in the FOSS market |
| 07:17.15 | empath | lol |
| 07:17.23 | DocPlatypus | most followers of the open source movement will happily run a blob if it means convenience |
| 07:17.32 | DocPlatypus | they don't give a damn about freedom |
| 07:17.42 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: but i think most people know its not about free like beer, but more about free as in freedom |
| 07:18.20 | peterS | no, most people do not know that |
| 07:18.21 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: what if you need a blob? for a driver? |
| 07:18.27 | SubStack | I blame computational linguistics. |
| 07:18.28 | peterS | but a name isn't going to tell them |
| 07:18.36 | DocPlatypus | teledyn: you pester the manufacturers of the device for specifications to write a driver |
| 07:18.44 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: that and |
| 07:18.48 | DocPlatypus | you don't need a blob for a driver. ever. if you do you replace the hardware |
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| 07:19.25 | teledyn | interesting though, because when i talk with people who are more or less neopytes with computers, and i start telling them that i use linux, i get the impression that the understand the whole freedom thing |
| 07:19.27 | DocPlatypus | when the FSF couldn't get a GNU variant running on a machine because the manufacturer wouldn't give them the information, they replaced the machine instead of running a non-free operating system on it. |
| 07:20.06 | DocPlatypus | teledyn: count yourself lucky they get it |
| 07:20.06 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: its hard with notebook pc's |
| 07:20.11 | DocPlatypus | teledyn: what, replacing the PC? |
| 07:20.30 | DocPlatypus | it's easy, buy one that is supported free software and trash the other one |
| 07:20.33 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: i think most people understand it because they understand in the context of already knowing that microsoft is evil and that there is this movement to go beyond it |
| 07:20.46 | DocPlatypus | or, be careful what you buy if you care about your freedom |
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| 07:21.00 | DocPlatypus | which I think goes for just about everything if you think abuot it |
| 07:21.01 | DocPlatypus | about* |
| 07:21.05 | robs| | can anyone help me ! iam new in this distro and want to know if someone can help me with a couple of questions i have about debian ? |
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| 07:21.13 | pickcoder | gah |
| 07:21.13 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: but what is wrong with the blob? isn't it okay for the driver mfg to have their own special code to run on their chip? |
| 07:21.30 | pickcoder | freakin hotel wifi |
| 07:21.39 | Gokee2 | rob__, Are we allowed to know your questions? |
| 07:21.43 | empath | pickcoder, choose another |
| 07:21.49 | Acu | I have found potentially one of the most usefull website to learn linux http://lca2007.linux.org.au/Programme Aussies kick butts! I wonder if there are similar conferences which were recorded so you can see the video tutorials - I am acutely interested in PostgreSQL and PHP |
| 07:21.52 | Gokee2 | robs|* |
| 07:21.57 | teledyn | Gokee2: good point :-) |
| 07:22.10 | teledyn | Gokee2: i will remember that response |
| 07:22.15 | pickcoder | empath: you'll have to pick up the tab for me |
| 07:22.19 | DocPlatypus | teledyn: if they give you full source code and the freedom to modify it to do what you want to do instead of what they want to do, there's nothing wrong with it. |
| 07:22.20 | robs| | Gokee2: iam sorry, but iam looking for help |
| 07:22.20 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 07:22.25 | DocPlatypus | the issue is freedom |
| 07:22.33 | SubStack | php is soooo late 90s |
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| 07:22.55 | empath | pickcoder, :p |
| 07:22.57 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: i don't understand. maybe they want to protect their intellectual investment in the chip or something. i don't know. i'm not an expert. |
| 07:22.59 | pickcoder | SubStack: so is Perl |
| 07:23.10 | SubStack | perl is mid-90s |
| 07:23.14 | robs| | Gokee2: i have a very old laptop and i really want to install linux but i honestly feel frustrated cuz i have no idea which distro to install on it |
| 07:23.19 | DocPlatypus | teledyn: that's fine, they can make it a real pain in the donkey for us to pop the housing off and look at the mask |
| 07:23.24 | DocPlatypus | but telling us how to talk to it? |
| 07:23.35 | DocPlatypus | that's something just about any decent manufacturer should have no problem with |
| 07:23.41 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: isn't that a different issue though? |
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| 07:24.05 | silya | Hi all! What range of ports use jabber for file sending? |
| 07:24.06 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: if they don't tell how to interoperate with it, its just their own stupidity then |
| 07:24.16 | DocPlatypus | teledyn: exactly, it is |
| 07:24.22 | DocPlatypus | so buy from another vendor |
| 07:24.37 | Gokee2 | robs|, Well in this room people will tell you debain :) If we did not use and love debian we would not be here. If you want to talk about other distro`s you should try #linux :) |
| 07:24.38 | empath | silya, google knows! |
| 07:24.41 | DocPlatypus | look at the saga with OpenBSD and (I think) Adaptec |
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| 07:24.45 | DocPlatypus | among others |
| 07:24.56 | pickcoder | DocPlatypus: that depends on many business considerations |
| 07:25.08 | Gokee2 | robs| I use debian on a old computer and it works great (in fact it is what is displaying this chat client |
| 07:25.09 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: isn't there a difference between having a blob but publishing info on how to work with it, vs. having one and not publishing the info? |
| 07:25.11 | DocPlatypus | Theo de Raadt is one of the champions of the free software movement, but don't try convincing him of that |
| 07:25.19 | empath | robs|, alternatively check linux-laptop site for compatibily |
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| 07:25.35 | empath | compatible issues* |
| 07:25.47 | DocPlatypus | teledyn: the existence of a blob, by definition, means your freedom is limited |
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| 07:26.10 | Crypticfortune | hmmm.... 3D screensavers (from xscreensaver) seem to break beryl to the point of no return (im running an nvidia card ontop of xen + etch 2.6.18). anyone else have this problem? |
| 07:26.19 | DocPlatypus | you have some kind of code, but no human readable source code for it. so you can't reasonably be expected to be able to modify it to do what you want |
| 07:26.27 | DocPlatypus | thus, you don't have freedom |
| 07:26.29 | robs| | Gokee2: i have a 475mhz amdk6 II, 64 ram and 5.1HDD is it older than this ? |
| 07:26.29 | pickcoder | A lot of the stuff that people complain about are consumer components or brand new technology. |
| 07:26.45 | DocPlatypus | I mean, Windows Vista comes with documentation. does that mean it's free software? hell no |
| 07:27.05 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: but i thought the way the device appears to the system is just how any other device would appear? |
| 07:27.16 | dimir | Early morning! |
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| 07:27.23 | Gokee2 | robs|, This computer is 200 MH I think, however I am using xforwarding to display stuff (I run the progrms on a server) |
| 07:27.25 | Crypticfortune | DocPlatypus: and the documentation says "this should work. if it doesn't talk to dell, not us." =P |
| 07:27.35 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: in other words, isn't your argument more about the merits of open hardware? |
| 07:27.41 | Acu | robsI: if you have time and willpower - Debian Etch is the best (Purity, Power and Freedom) if you do not have T and Willpower go for Ubuntu (then come back to Debian) |
| 07:28.01 | DocPlatypus | sometimes one needs to make changes to a device driver in order to get it to work properly. changes happen between kernel versions, or between kernel types |
| 07:28.21 | DocPlatypus | the FreeBSD kernel has completely different syscalls from Linux, the kernel |
| 07:28.34 | Gokee2 | robs|, My Mom uses a old 200 MH laptop with xforwarding using gentoo and that works well too |
| 07:28.40 | robs| | Acu: Ubuntu doesnt works for my computer, or at least the graphical mode |
| 07:28.40 | DocPlatypus | and both of those differ greatly from Hurd |
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| 07:29.13 | DocPlatypus | so if you have a blob, you're stuck running the kernel and/or operating system the hardware vendor supports, versus what you really want to run |
| 07:29.16 | Gokee2 | robs|, But I would go for debian over gentoo in a heart beat for a old laptop (does not even want to think of all the time compiling stuff) |
| 07:29.18 | DocPlatypus | right? |
| 07:29.18 | empath | robs|, check that site i was talking about, linux-laptops or whatever, use google |
| 07:29.43 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: anyhow, we are not mega millionaires. i would love a totally open notebook platform that had the hardware i want. there's no doubt that i'd buy it as my first choice. but it doesn't exist. |
| 07:29.51 | empath | DocPlatypus, i dont get it, you was talking about GNU and so on? now its about hardware? |
| 07:29.57 | robs| | empath: my have the website once again. |
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| 07:30.18 | DocPlatypus | empath: teledyn had questions about blobs, I answered them |
| 07:30.27 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: i can kill myself over a war that i am only a tiny ant in? but someone powerful can move their little finger and create a major change. |
| 07:30.40 | empath | robs|, i think its linux-laptops.net but im not sure, i suggest you search on google.com |
| 07:30.56 | Gokee2 | !tell robs| about laptop |
| 07:31.08 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: its like seeing die-hard environmentalists living in disgustingly smoggy urban environments riding bicycles, killing themselves |
| 07:31.12 | Acu | robsI: then most probably Debian wont either - but how do you know - anyhow to begin with - I would Download KNOPPIX and use the live CD and see if you go trough - (Knopix is based on Debian) - if you use an older Knopix 4 something - it has Xfree86 if is newer it uses Xorg |
| 07:31.20 | teledyn | givng cancer to their kids |
| 07:31.43 | robs| | Gokee2: iam a newbie in this subject, i just want to run my old laptop with a friendly linux graphical mode but i had try ubuntu, fedora and suse and non of them run the graphical mode in my lap |
| 07:32.03 | teledyn | no one thinks of protecting the self as a value. they will sacrifice their own self for the war that the rich person could win if he wanted to. |
| 07:32.25 | pickcoder | robs|: which display adapter? |
| 07:32.35 | Gokee2 | robs|, What is the problem? And check the site..... It will tell you if your laptop will even work |
| 07:32.36 | DocPlatypus | teledyn: "Give me liberty or give me death" -- Patrick Henry (I think) |
| 07:32.46 | Acu | robsI: also while you boot with Knoppix - you will see quite COLORful the hardware recognition - what VGA card what CPU etc - which is usefull to know why you did not reach the Graphic Interface |
| 07:32.57 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: who is the giver? |
| 07:33.07 | DocPlatypus | and Thomas Jefferson had a few unflattering words to say about corporations. if only people had listened. look at Microsoft now |
| 07:33.21 | scv | DocPlatypus: you are a good dropping-book-bag |
| 07:33.42 | teledyn | DocPlatypus: no doubt. i think we should care about these things and be very active, just not kill ourselves. |
| 07:34.07 | pickcoder | there's nothing more powerful than consumers |
| 07:34.15 | robs| | Gokee2: i really thankyou for everything, let me go for the websites |
| 07:34.34 | robs| | Acu: thanks i will also try Knoppix |
| 07:34.37 | empath | Problem is people! consumers! |
| 07:34.45 | empath | They dontknow the power of corporations they really have |
| 07:35.13 | Acu | robsI: good luck - and persist - there is nothing in computers which cannot be solved (as we made them so far) |
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| 07:35.38 | empath | :) |
| 07:35.43 | empath | except ati cards, they suck |
| 07:35.44 | empath | :P |
| 07:35.47 | teledyn | i'd love to see a cottage-industry laptop manufacturing sector take root |
| 07:35.48 | robs| | Acu: thanks and ill be coming back if any problem, sorry to bother u people |
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| 07:37.25 | Acu | i's love to see a cottage-industry pharmaceutical manufacturing sector |
| 07:37.31 | teledyn | hehe |
| 07:37.40 | teledyn | in your cottage, i suppose? |
| 07:38.01 | teledyn | oh, you were serious. sorry! |
| 07:38.08 | teledyn | my dirty mind |
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| 07:39.37 | Acu | guys, take it easy, socially we are in EARLY PRIMITIVISM - a mindless mass with a reptilian brain and behavior |
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| 07:40.10 | teledyn | Acu: that's why we need the pharmaceuticals? to evolve? |
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| 07:40.20 | Acu | lol |
| 07:41.26 | Acu | however, we have only what we deserver, a more or less useless and quick transition trough life with a miserable 100% ending - and disapearance from the universe with a bitter taste |
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| 07:42.51 | tuvwx | update to the lost partition table situation: gpart and parted worked just fine |
| 07:43.08 | Acu | teledyn: we have tried (and try) fiercely weapon bulding and their use to spred religion or democracy or well being - with no effect |
| 07:44.54 | Acu | Anyhow, we may need to stop talking about HUMAN REASON, as this is not the subject and objective of this chatroom (but somehow Debian is an offspring of existential inquiry of Homo Sapiens sapiens) |
| 07:45.26 | teledyn | it does link back to free software |
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| 07:45.41 | teledyn | interesting how deep a discussion on blobs can get, isn't it? |
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| 07:46.28 | Acu | my last comment though (I cannot resist) - HOw the heck the communists countries did not make a "Debian" ? |
| 07:46.46 | pickcoder | bedtime.. cheers |
| 07:46.52 | teledyn | Acu: well linux is finnish, a very socialist country |
| 07:47.04 | teledyn | linus is finnish... |
| 07:47.09 | Guerin | teledyn: wtf |
| 07:47.12 | kekimmo | "very socialist"? |
| 07:47.23 | Guerin | teledyn: finland isn't socialist by any sane stretch of the imagination |
| 07:47.34 | Guerin | and no |
| 07:47.47 | Guerin | not-USA does not mean `socialist' |
| 07:47.59 | teledyn | Guerin: i rememeber a linux docu that talked about linux and the influence of being from a socialist country had on his thinking |
| 07:48.21 | Guerin | teledyn: wake me when linus torvalds is a political scientist |
| 07:48.44 | mfi_ | Finland and socialist? I can't even imagine that |
| 07:48.50 | enouf | robs|: add more sdram (pc100/133 -- 512MB total is nice), buy a 80gb HDD on sale .. you're good to go |
| 07:49.15 | enouf | robs|: gah .. it's a craptop? .. nm |
| 07:49.31 | Guerin | as i recall finland was *invaded* by socialists because they wouldn't join the revolution |
| 07:49.34 | Acu | interesting - but I think there is a need for a true DEPTH of existentialist thinking to initiate and to maintain such a freedom symbol - I think it is something subtle and interesting, Truism (altruism) can come from two extremely opposite stances - selfless or selfish |
| 07:49.37 | fooz | PLEASE CAN YOU HELPING ME TO STAY ON TOPIC !!!!!!!?!!!????!!!!!?!!!111 |
| 07:49.52 | Guerin | fooz: you forgot U FUX)RZ |
| 07:49.53 | fooz | haha |
| 07:50.09 | Guerin | Acu: step away from the bong |
| 07:50.35 | dimir | And pass it forward. |
| 07:50.45 | Acu | Guerin: I am protected, I do not know what is a bong :) |
| 07:50.47 | fooz | A friend with weed is a friend I need! |
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| 07:50.58 | Neeesat25 | good morning to all |
| 07:50.59 | scx | aloha |
| 07:51.03 | Guerin | Acu: it's unfortunate that you're this stupid naturally. |
| 07:51.14 | dimir | :-D |
| 07:51.15 | teledyn | Guerin: http://simplyappalling.blogspot.com/2005/10/socialism-101-finland.html sounds pretty socialist to me |
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| 07:52.15 | teledyn | probably has a very low gini coefficient |
| 07:53.01 | Acu | Guerin: Charlie Chaplin was saying that we live so less that we cannot be anythine else than amateurs - however I am glad that so illuminated spirits like yours is ready to remind me of my limitations... thanks |
| 07:53.15 | Neeesat25 | I am trying to run a graphical software within the command line with DISPLAY=:0.0 program and it is working ok |
| 07:53.17 | Guerin | teledyn: way to go. You cite a blogspot cite which prides itself on `Upholding the lowest standards of journalism for all to see' |
| 07:53.33 | Neeesat25 | But when I try to do this as root is not working |
| 07:53.43 | Guerin | teledyn: I'm sorry to inform you that I *am* a political scientist, unlikt the blogspot guy, or linus, or you. |
| 07:54.11 | Neeesat25 | how can I set my script even if I run it as root the command will go as a diferent user? |
| 07:54.50 | teledyn | Guerin: free education, universal healthcare, high tax rate and high social benefits, low gini coeffient != socialist ??? |
| 07:54.50 | Guerin | Acu: the original meaning of `amateur' is someone who does something for the love of it, not money or any other means. |
| 07:54.50 | Guerin | teledyn: that's right. |
| 07:54.50 | Neeesat25 | I have try 'su user' in the script but it fails |
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| 07:55.13 | teledyn | Guerin: i mean "social democracy" or "social democratic" republic or whatever |
| 07:55.44 | Neeesat25 | Anyone please? |
| 07:55.46 | Guerin | teledyn: socialist would be limited capitalism, massive centralised oversight of private enterprise, weak property rights, weak civil liberties, a constrained press and weak rule of law |
| 07:55.58 | Guerin | teledyn: you might *mean* that but that's not what you *said* |
| 07:56.01 | Guerin | !swym |
| 07:56.02 | dpkg | i guess swym is Say What You Mean. See also MWYS. |
| 07:56.13 | teledyn | Neeesat25: you would have to all localhost via "xhost" command |
| 07:56.17 | Guerin | Neeesat25: why does it fail? |
| 07:56.24 | Guerin | argh |
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| 07:56.26 | Guerin | !xhost |
| 07:56.26 | dpkg | it has been said that xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 07:56.33 | teledyn | Neeesat25: s/all localhost/add localhost/ |
| 07:56.42 | Guerin | don't use xhost |
| 07:56.44 | Guerin | ever |
| 07:56.51 | Guerin | use sudo for this tasjk |
| 07:57.49 | Neeesat25 | I have x-windows auto login and I want to call graphical software from command line to run |
| 07:57.50 | teledyn | Guerin: how to permanently make it so root can run x apps? |
| 07:58.09 | Guerin | teledyn: ssh -X |
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| 07:58.16 | teledyn | Guerin: to localhost? |
| 07:58.31 | teledyn | i mean locally |
| 07:58.35 | Neeesat25 | I have made a script with DISPLAY=:0.0 'software' and it's working if I run the script as user but not as root |
| 07:59.07 | teledyn | Neeesat25: that's because root doesn't have permissions to use the X server. |
| 07:59.23 | Neeesat25 | hmm |
| 07:59.45 | Guerin | see also mit-magic-cookie |
| 07:59.49 | teledyn | Neeesat25: "xhost -" will allow it but everyone says its a bad idea to do |
| 07:59.56 | Guerin | teledyn: yes, to localhost |
| 08:00.15 | teledyn | Neeesat25: oops i meant "xhost +" will allow. but is a security issue. |
| 08:00.29 | Acu | OK guys, see you later - however as long as our Reptilian Brain dominates our life and aimless walk - capitalism is the best and sole solution for genuine human progress - as communism requires transcendence at all levels for which we may need thousands of years of evolution to attain - --- bye all! |
| 08:00.44 | Neeesat25 | dont care mutch cause it's an HTPC machine |
| 08:00.57 | teledyn | Guerin: yeah i want it so anytime there's a su-ed session that any X app will always run |
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| 08:01.25 | teledyn | Neeesat25: you can "xhost +" then run it, and "xhost -" when you are done. you have to run xhost as the user logged in to X |
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| 08:01.40 | Guerin | xhost is an insanely bad idea |
| 08:02.05 | teledyn | lol |
| 08:02.11 | Neeesat25 | I want to run it as root |
| 08:02.24 | DocPlatypus | the only time it comes even close to making sense is when you have port 6000 firewalled off from the outside world |
| 08:02.29 | Neeesat25 | not as the user logged in |
| 08:02.39 | DocPlatypus | even then if your LAN has untrusted users on it it's still a bad idea |
| 08:02.43 | teledyn | ah " Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. " |
| 08:03.04 | ma3x | what's the local time in the 'whois' result? |
| 08:03.26 | teledyn | how will that work if $USER is some regular user, and root is trying to run the X command? |
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| 08:04.08 | Neeesat25 | Is there a way to set a command in script to change user to user lets say? |
| 08:04.20 | teledyn | Neeesat25: su can |
| 08:04.31 | Neeesat25 | su fails in the script |
| 08:04.43 | teledyn | teledyn: su - <user> -c <command> |
| 08:04.51 | Neeesat25 | ah |
| 08:04.57 | Neeesat25 | let me try that |
| 08:04.58 | DocPlatypus | Neeesat25: you need to type that user's password, and the command has to run all commands that need to run as that user |
| 08:05.23 | DocPlatypus | so if the command really needs to be "sh -c otherscript" that's what needs to be there |
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| 08:06.44 | teledyn | also, why is xhost + localhost insecure? it only allows connection from local machine |
| 08:07.04 | jgraham_ | I've got a mail system running testing that I just updated, after installation of new Postfix and SASL packages Postfix refuses to use SASL auth -- testsaslauthd works fine, cyrus IMAP/POP work fine. I followed a lengthy bug report (#398534) about postfix ignoring /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf files but that didn't fix my issue. Anyone with SASL/Postfix expertise have a moment to help me? I would greatly appreciate it. |
| 08:07.50 | peterS | teledyn: because it allows connections from any user logged into the local machine |
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| 08:08.19 | teledyn | peterS: which is exactly what i want |
| 08:08.37 | peterS | teledyn: I guess if you trust all your local users, it's ok |
| 08:08.37 | Neeesat25 | ith xhost I get unable to open display |
| 08:08.42 | teledyn | on my personal computer |
| 08:09.14 | teledyn | ok thanks |
| 08:09.31 | Neeesat25 | well the pc is an HTPC and script will be called from remote control |
| 08:10.23 | teledyn | oddly when i do "xhost + localhost" it still gives "can't open display" error. but "xhost +" doesn't give it |
| 08:11.05 | Zao | teledyn: localhost is IP, you can also use things like unix sockets. |
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| 08:11.39 | Neeesat25 | what ever I do I get unable to open display |
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| 08:11.59 | enouf | Neeesat25: is that "htpc" hooked up to the www? .. in any way/shape/form? |
| 08:12.17 | teledyn | xhost man page says "The name can be a host name or a user name." i will try "root" |
| 08:13.00 | teledyn | it doesn't like root. just hangs |
| 08:13.09 | Guerin | wtf do you need to run x apps as root anyway? |
| 08:13.11 | peterS | it's trying to look up root as a DNS name |
| 08:13.12 | Neeesat25 | it has internet access but is not a web server |
| 08:13.19 | teledyn | airsnort? |
| 08:13.23 | Guerin | did anyone hit !run stuff as root or !sux yet? |
| 08:13.31 | teledyn | gdmconfig. stuff like that |
| 08:13.38 | enouf | Neeesat25: then all security measures mentioned need dire consideration |
| 08:13.43 | Guerin | occasional things, then |
| 08:13.43 | enouf | and attention |
| 08:13.53 | teledyn | Guerin: yep |
| 08:14.04 | Guerin | for which you could run a ssh -X root@localhost shell |
| 08:14.10 | teledyn | Guerin: would be nice to just have it so root can permanently do it |
| 08:14.22 | Guerin | just don't run it in screen(1) and you're secure |
| 08:14.30 | teledyn | without having to run the ssh command |
| 08:15.02 | Guerin | teledyn: also, what's wrong with sudo? |
| 08:15.11 | teledyn | xhost + root@localhost gives an error |
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| 08:15.18 | teledyn | "X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)" |
| 08:15.30 | teledyn | "Major opcode of failed request: 109 (X_ChangeHosts)" |
| 08:15.33 | Neeesat25 | it's all working if I try DISPLAY=:0.0 'software' but has to be run as the user logged in not as root |
| 08:15.49 | Guerin | teledyn: what makes you think we care? We already gave you several good options. |
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| 08:21.13 | enouf | man sudo (the -c option) speaks of /etc/login.conf , however there's no such file here on etch/sid, is the file /etc/login.defs the same/similar? |
| 08:21.38 | teledyn | maybe the nolisten tcp option means "localhost" or 127.0.0.1 just won't work |
| 08:21.45 | enouf | I'm reviewing th comments within now .. |
| 08:23.14 | Guerin | enouf: try creating the file |
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| 08:26.02 | Neeesat25 | su - <user> -c <command> did the trick |
| 08:26.09 | Neeesat25 | Thank you all |
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| 08:29.16 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 08:29.36 | Ramattack | the correct way for checking root filesystem what could be? |
| 08:29.59 | Ramattack | starting for example with a knoppix live and running with it fcsk or e2fcsk? |
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| 08:30.15 | krazykit | that works. |
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| 08:30.34 | Ramattack | that's for me krazykit? |
| 08:30.43 | krazykit | mmmhm |
| 08:31.12 | Ramattack | have just entered... lol don't know if are more conversations active |
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| 08:32.56 | Ramattack | Krazykit anyway.... for example if you reboot you're machine and have /boot with the kernel in another partition or phisical disk or if in the same disk doesn't damaged the bzImage for booting or the imitd.img... if you reboot you're machine would be loaded the fcsk automatically? |
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| 08:35.05 | krazykit | i have no idea what you're trying to do. the easiest thing by far, IMO, is to load up your favorite recent liveCD and just run fsck on the desired partitions from there |
| 08:35.25 | krazykit | but i must be off, as i'm up too late and workign on a paper |
| 08:35.25 | Ramattack | only curiosity |
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| 08:37.01 | Ramattack | thanks a lot krazykit |
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| 08:43.54 | Ramattack | bye thanks then krazykit |
| 08:44.20 | ebbs | hi. How can I log the commands a certain GUI frontend executes? |
| 08:44.37 | Ramattack | run it on console |
| 08:44.53 | Ramattack | bye folks see you |
| 08:45.06 | Ramattack | that's for you ebbs |
| 08:45.11 | Ramattack | expect to help you |
| 08:45.13 | tarzeau | ebbs: ltrace,strace it? |
| 08:45.18 | tarzeau | Ramattack: not all of them are verbose |
| 08:45.18 | Ramattack | bye! |
| 08:45.19 | ebbs | k thx |
| 08:46.07 | Ramattack | so the correct answer would be ltrace? |
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| 08:47.07 | Ramattack | tarzeau? |
| 08:47.16 | Ramattack | that's a command then? |
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| 08:47.44 | tarzeau | Ramattack: ltrace will show library calls, strace the others |
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| 08:47.52 | tarzeau | Ramattack: see the manual pages for the details |
| 08:48.00 | Ramattack | ok then folk |
| 08:48.04 | Ramattack | thanks to you |
| 08:48.10 | Ramattack | bye then time to go! |
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| 08:51.56 | NixU | exit |
| 08:52.33 | pinx | anyone able to tell me how to find my screen resolution in Sarge? |
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| 08:53.07 | insmod | pinx: XFConfig or xorg |
| 08:53.24 | insmod | pinx: look in /etc |
| 08:53.32 | insmod | X11 |
| 08:53.38 | pinx | insmod: cool -- looking.......... |
| 08:54.59 | ebbs | tarzeau, is there a program, that is less exact. To trace only the shell commands, the frontend executes? |
| 08:55.34 | teledyn | pinx: xdpyinfo will output what the res is of the current running session |
| 08:55.40 | insmod | ebbs: are you in X |
| 08:55.44 | ebbs | yes |
| 08:55.54 | tarzeau | ebbs: maybe you can catch them for grepping after system and exec*, not sure |
| 08:56.04 | ebbs | k |
| 08:56.04 | insmod | ebbs: cntrl alt F1 does |
| 08:56.42 | pinx | teledyn: perfect -- thanks |
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| 08:58.16 | teledyn | xdpyinfo |grep -a2 screen |
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| 09:05.48 | teledyn | why do color themes based around reds always look ugly? |
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| 09:07.15 | amphi | teledyn: because you don't like red? |
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| 09:08.05 | teledyn | well, i took a bluish theme and subtracted 180 from the hue value of all the colors. it looks real bad. |
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| 09:09.41 | insmod | teledyn: look up rgb |
| 09:10.39 | teledyn | insmod: i'm using hsv values which are easier to change while keeping the relative level of brightness the same |
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| 09:11.10 | teledyn | but yeah, looks like the same level of s and v with different h value doesn't work anyhow |
| 09:11.25 | teledyn | reds respond differently |
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| 09:13.29 | teledyn | in other words, a much lighter saturation of a red color appears to be similar brightness as a much stronger blue |
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| 09:14.52 | peterS | HSL is better than HSV, in general, but of course it's still not _perfect_ |
| 09:15.48 | peterS | and exact sensitivity to saturation of different hues, obviously, depends on your eyeball |
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| 09:25.44 | disposable | what's the difference between "ifdown eth2" and "ifconfig eth2 down"? |
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| 09:26.38 | Techdeck_ | hmm, does debian have 'mod_security' for apache2 available? |
| 09:26.51 | liable | disposable: ifdown will run any post-down commands if they exist in ifaces file |
| 09:27.24 | liable | disposable: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 09:28.41 | peterS | disposable: I think another thing ifdown will do is explicitly kill any DHCP client which might be managing eth2 |
| 09:29.00 | liable | true |
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| 09:29.25 | liable | well, try and release the lease, dunno if it kills it |
| 09:29.31 | liable | if it fails |
| 09:29.32 | disposable | peterS, that's what i needed to hear |
| 09:29.39 | Techdeck_ | i take it as a no |
| 09:29.40 | disposable | thank you both guys |
| 09:29.41 | Techdeck_ | :\ |
| 09:29.42 | Alex1 | hello someone is able to configure apache2's mode_chroot? i don't find any tutorial about it |
| 09:29.56 | teledyn | Techdeck: /usr/sbin/apache2 -V |less |
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| 09:30.05 | Techdeck_ | teledyn, mod_security is not there |
| 09:30.54 | teledyn | Techdeck: not sure. apt-cache search apache |grep securiity shows nothing |
| 09:31.14 | Techdeck_ | yeah |
| 09:31.17 | Techdeck_ | meh |
| 09:31.21 | Techdeck_ | I really don't want to compile it |
| 09:31.24 | Techdeck_ | but if I must.. :\ |
| 09:32.33 | teledyn | Techdeck: looks like there's no debian docs explaining their philosophy in compiling it either |
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| 09:33.30 | Techdeck_ | /usr/share/apr-1.0/build/libtool: line 1222: i486-linux-gnu-gcc: command not found |
| 09:33.33 | Techdeck_ | any thoughts? |
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| 09:34.38 | teledyn | gcc installed? |
| 09:34.48 | Techdeck_ | hehe |
| 09:34.51 | Techdeck_ | whoops :] |
| 09:34.53 | Techdeck_ | one moment |
| 09:35.13 | waric | after installing apache2, http://localhost always show the apache2-default page, even after i have removed the dir from /var/www. how to stop this? |
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| 09:36.12 | vorsprung | waric, restart your browser |
| 09:36.28 | waric | vorsprung: done this several times. |
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| 09:37.08 | vorsprung | waric, i guess you have removed the wrong directory then |
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| 09:37.44 | waric | vorsprung: sorry, maybe i have not, let me try. |
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| 09:38.37 | Techdeck_ | apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/security.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_security2.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_security2.so: undefined symbol: msr_log |
| 09:38.39 | Techdeck_ | :| |
| 09:38.51 | vorsprung | waric, you could also look at /etc/apache2/sites-available and edit it |
| 09:39.00 | waric | k |
| 09:39.00 | teledyn | damn, i want to keep this webcam because it looks really cool, even though there's no linux driver for it |
| 09:39.12 | Techdeck_ | teledyn? |
| 09:39.31 | vorsprung | Techdeck_, you didn't compile mod_security2.so correctly |
| 09:40.30 | vorsprung | Techdeck_, remove mod_security from the configuration. It will work without it. If you are compiling it it can't be a live production system can it? |
| 09:40.59 | Techdeck_ | vorsprung, I don't understand.. |
| 09:41.11 | Techdeck_ | I did apxs2 -cia mod_security.c |
| 09:41.14 | Techdeck_ | that's all |
| 09:42.02 | vorsprung | Techdeck_, normally i'd expect that to work |
| 09:42.22 | Techdeck_ | then why didn't it? |
| 09:42.24 | Techdeck_ | :\ |
| 09:43.36 | vorsprung | Techdeck_, you'd have to look at the output from the compile see what libs it's not picking up |
| 09:43.38 | enouf | thanks Guerin .. I guess I would if I needed it .. not doing anything with it atm though :-) .. just reading comments, and trying to absorb .. but you know how that goes with me :-/ |
| 09:43.45 | enouf | was afk |
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| 09:45.03 | Techdeck_ | apxs:Error: Activation failed for custom /etc/apache2/httpd.conf file.. |
| 09:45.04 | Techdeck_ | apxs:Error: At least one `LoadModule' directive already has to exist.. |
| 09:45.07 | Techdeck_ | I get these vorsprung |
| 09:45.21 | vorsprung | Techdeck_, that's no the compile is it |
| 09:45.52 | Techdeck_ | it is |
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| 09:46.18 | Techdeck_ | hold on |
| 09:46.21 | Techdeck_ | I'll paste it to some pastebin |
| 09:46.36 | Techdeck_ | http://rafb.net/p/1soA2x75.html |
| 09:47.15 | c00lm4n | hi people |
| 09:47.20 | Techdeck_ | vorsprung, any ideas? |
| 09:47.30 | c00lm4n | im coolman and im from ivory coast |
| 09:48.10 | c00lm4n | is there somebody here using knoppix? |
| 09:48.21 | amphi | !knoppix |
| 09:48.21 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 09:49.25 | [Nige] | iptables is able to use the ! right? |
| 09:49.59 | [Nige] | the ! as in a not? |
| 09:50.00 | [Nige] | eg: iptables -I INPUT -s !192.168.0.0 ..... |
| 09:50.33 | Techdeck_ | :\ |
| 09:50.35 | c00lm4n | knoppix is debian |
| 09:50.51 | pitillo | xD |
| 09:50.53 | Crypticfortune | how do i take the "restart/shutdown" items off the action list in gdm but keep the rest of the actions? the gnome "login window" administration tool doesnt list that as a possible option.... |
| 09:51.06 | sep | !based on |
| 09:51.06 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 09:51.09 | c00lm4n | this live cd could be used to install a debian like system |
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| 09:51.18 | liable | Crypticfortune: gdmsetup |
| 09:51.33 | sep | c00lfon, the people using knoppix will be in #knoppix |
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| 09:52.10 | waric | vorsprung: have to comment out the redirection in /etc/apache/sites/000-default and restart apache2. works now. thks. |
| 09:52.28 | Crypticfortune | liable: yeah, it's not one of the options in there. (i can remove the actions menu entirely, but then i'd lose xdmcp) |
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| 09:57.03 | rubenz | I'm installing debian. It has a box with "Samba Server" in the heading. It asks "Workgroup/Domain Name?". I don't know what to put. What should I put here? |
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| 09:57.57 | enouf | Techdeck: I don't have time to read all the avail info, yet thos seeems to be for Sarge only (backported?) http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/libapache2-mod-security and then you have the info from the devels pages .. |
| 09:58.17 | enouf | like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libapache2-mod-security;dist=unstable |
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| 09:59.05 | Techdeck_ | enouf, its not working for me |
| 09:59.07 | Techdeck_ | the stable version |
| 09:59.12 | Techdeck_ | it looks for apache2-common |
| 09:59.17 | Techdeck_ | and in etch it's apache2.2-common |
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| 10:03.00 | enouf | tenzing_: I really don;t know much about it all .. myabe apt-cache show apache2-utils apache2.2-common |
| 10:03.08 | enouf | ermm Techdeck_ |
| 10:03.24 | Techdeck_ | :\ |
| 10:04.36 | tenzing_ | :) |
| 10:04.40 | MrKeuner | hi, I have the gnome-screensaver to off and idleness setting to 1 minute. I expect it to dim the screen brightness after 1 minute and do not play any screensaver thingies. After one minute the system enters the idle mode and exits immediately although I stay idle. What coud be the problem? |
| 10:04.54 | Techdeck_ | enouf, nothing interesting in there |
| 10:05.35 | enouf | shrigs |
| 10:05.43 | enouf | er shrugs even |
| 10:06.15 | jerome | Hum. Is there a specific channel yet for xen debian related issues ? |
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| 10:07.38 | torrr | hi |
| 10:07.42 | Crypticfortune | jerome: #xen is quite small anyways....i think they may be your best hope? |
| 10:07.54 | jerome | Crypticfortune: ok. |
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| 10:09.16 | enouf | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=413442 <-- did you just file that bug? |
| 10:09.40 | torrr | I want to install freenx 0.6.0 I found with google someone who made a package for sarge, and I am running etch. Would that be fine? |
| 10:10.30 | sep | torrr, http://kern.nl ./ ?? i use that .deb on etch no problems |
| 10:10.50 | torrr | sep, yes that is the one |
| 10:11.06 | torrr | sep, does it run good? |
| 10:12.14 | torrr | sep, btw what do I do with it? add it to source.list and install with synaptic, or try to download files from there? |
| 10:12.37 | enouf | Techdeck_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317712 .. for whatever that's worth .. legal issues? |
| 10:15.08 | enouf | Techdeck_: may wanna try #debian-apache of irc.debian.org |
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| 10:15.59 | Zmanu | hello |
| 10:16.01 | enouf | Techdeck_: heh the /topic there says --> For support please visit #apache on Freenode |
| 10:16.32 | sep | torrr, i installed with aptitude (you can use synaptic) |
| 10:16.33 | Zmanu | i have a problem with php and mysql, i install php4-mysql, but when i look to phpinfo(), it write --without-mysql under sarge |
| 10:16.48 | enouf | ok .. I'm done screwing around with this nonsense .. f00d! |
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| 10:23.20 | ndowens | is anyone using unstable? have u had many problems with it? |
| 10:23.58 | torrr | sep: It say that it can't stat source package list |
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| 10:26.41 | scx | ducati or suzuki ? |
| 10:27.25 | torrr | what does it mean that it can't stat the source, in synaptic? |
| 10:27.43 | jetscreamer | bad url perhaps |
| 10:27.59 | jetscreamer | fix your sources |
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| 10:28.10 | jetscreamer | .list |
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| 10:31.38 | torrr | http://kern.nl is just a web page, http://kern.nl/freenx is forbiden, but the files in it like http://kern.nl/freenx/Packages.gz are downloadable. Can I do anything to make synaptic use it? |
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| 10:35.18 | Crypticfortune | what's the recommended way to set up 32bit applications in AMD64 debian? (like for example, the adobe flash 9 plugin?) |
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| 10:36.04 | sep | torrr, deb http://kern.nl/freenx/ ./ >> sources.list |
| 10:36.10 | sep | + synaptic update |
| 10:37.18 | torrr | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://kern.nl ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/kern.nl_freenx_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 10:37.38 | hades | does anyone know how to install the kerio mail server (rpm-package) on debian ... |
| 10:37.53 | torrr | this is what synaptic errors when it start ^^^ |
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| 10:40.07 | MrKeuner | hi, I have the gnome-screensaver to off and idleness setting to 1 minute. I expect it to dim the screen brightness after 1 minute and do not play any screensaver thingies. After one minute the system enters the idle mode and exits immediately although I stay idle. What coud be the problem? |
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| 10:41.23 | hades | does anyone know how to install the kerio mail server (rpm-package) ?! ... |
| 10:42.22 | liable_ | MrKeuner: i have a thinkpad that sometimes does that, and just read a list today that someone had a similar problem and thought it was mouse drift doing it. |
| 10:42.49 | liable_ | hades: compile it if you must, using rpm's is asking for trouble |
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| 10:43.27 | hades | i know, but there is no source-package on the kerio site : / |
| 10:43.52 | liable_ | take a look at 'alien' then |
| 10:44.36 | Alex1 | hello i need to create an user who can create new file in his homedir with chmod 664 and directory on 775 and this setting must be recorsive on subdir |
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| 10:45.08 | x_link | If I want to remove something totaly, should I use apt-get remove or aptitude purge? |
| 10:45.16 | x_link | Which one is best? |
| 10:45.39 | liable_ | x_link: apt-get has a --purge option to remove |
| 10:45.44 | liable_ | read the man page |
| 10:45.56 | scx | where's the any key? |
| 10:46.07 | x_link | apt-get remove doesn't remove everything, for example when I downlaoded a file last week, then I did apt-get remove. It just removed like 460kb, but when I downlaoded it the file was ~900 |
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| 10:46.14 | hades | liable_ yes, i tryed alien, but the startscripts are wrong : / |
| 10:46.20 | liable_ | scx: shut your eyes and hit the keyboard, thats the any key |
| 10:46.28 | x_link | liable_: apt-get remove --purge ? |
| 10:46.38 | liable_ | x_link: man apt-get |
| 10:46.48 | x_link | liable_: Ok |
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| 10:47.25 | ndowens | i feel kinda crazy, but how do i use apt-listbugs so it will tell me if there any bugs in an upgrade |
| 10:47.33 | liable_ | hades: so modify the start scripts |
| 10:47.38 | ndowens | i can't find a howto or anything |
| 10:47.55 | hades | liable_ ok, i try ... ;) |
| 10:48.21 | liable_ | ndowens: it just checks for you, i guess you can set the rating of bugs to be shown in .aptlistbugsrc or somming |
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| 10:48.41 | MrKeuner | liable: thinkpad r52 here |
| 10:48.43 | ndowens | can i use aptitude ? |
| 10:48.51 | ndowens | and it will check it |
| 10:48.53 | liable_ | sure |
| 10:48.53 | scx | liable_: where do I hit it? |
| 10:49.03 | liable_ | scx: *anywhere* |
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| 10:49.14 | scx | where's anywhere |
| 10:49.17 | scx | ah... |
| 10:49.39 | scx | you make it so easy that bores me |
| 10:49.42 | MrKeuner | liable: thinkpad r52 here too. And it does it sometimes |
| 10:49.50 | liable_ | scx: havent had the morning coffee yet? :P |
| 10:49.52 | MrKeuner | liable: some of the time it works fine |
| 10:49.58 | ndowens | liable_: b/c i've thought about trying unstable but i am not sure |
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| 10:50.11 | liable_ | MrKeuner: check todays tpml |
| 10:50.40 | liable_ | MrKeuner: same here |
| 10:50.45 | MrKeuner | liable: what is tpml? |
| 10:50.55 | liable | MrKeuner: thinkpad mailing list |
| 10:51.09 | liable | linux-thinkpad.org |
| 10:51.17 | MrKeuner | ok. thank you |
| 10:51.31 | liable | MrKeuner: though i dont think anyone has answered to it yet |
| 10:52.12 | liable | MrKeuner: i seem to get drift quite a bit with the trackpoint, on two different thinkpads |
| 10:52.36 | liable | but it might not even be the problem :) |
| 10:52.43 | Alex1 | i have this case: utente1 uid 1000 gid 1000, utente2 uid 1001 gid 1000, /home/utente1/utente2, i need to make able utente1 to edit/create/cancel file in /home/utente1/utente2 also if they were created bye utente2 ... some idea? |
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| 10:58.16 | torrr | can anyone help me understand how to use a package source? |
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| 10:59.08 | liable | torrr: if you want a good howto, have a read of the 'new mainainers guide' |
| 10:59.34 | liable | if you just want to build it, man dpkg-buildpkg |
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| 11:01.13 | torrr | liable: I want to install freenx0.6.0. I found someone who converted ubuntu package to debian's but when I put it on my source list and start synaptic, then synaptic say that it can't stat that source |
| 11:01.34 | torrr | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://kern.nl ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/kern.nl_freenx_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 11:03.27 | liable | !test |
| 11:03.27 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 11:03.53 | liable_ | hrm, dhcp-client doesnt seem to renewing the lease |
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| 11:06.42 | x3n0 | I have used dd to create a swap file it mounts at boot time... |
| 11:06.50 | x3n0 | but |
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| 11:07.22 | x3n0 | the system doesn't use the swap file at all |
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| 11:08.15 | x3n0 | how can i go about forcing my box to use this swap space? |
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| 11:09.04 | x3n0 | how can i go about forcing my box to use this swap space? |
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| 11:10.11 | liable_ | x3n0: put it in fstab |
| 11:10.23 | liable_ | or man swapon |
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| 11:10.40 | x3n0 | it is in fstab |
| 11:10.55 | x3n0 | thats what has me stumped |
| 11:10.56 | liable_ | whats you line? |
| 11:11.11 | x3n0 | 1 second |
| 11:11.15 | nunu | "Kernel panic unable to mount rootfs" I don't know why am I getting this error when I try to boot the new kernel, I don't know what could be wrong in the .config :/ |
| 11:11.31 | liable_ | x3n0: i guess you kernel log should mention it if it failed |
| 11:11.37 | nunu | can anyone help me ? |
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| 11:12.01 | liable_ | probably because you forgot to build a driver in... |
| 11:12.10 | nunu | which driver ^^ |
| 11:12.23 | liable_ | how do I know? its your hardware |
| 11:12.49 | nunu | mhh |
| 11:12.53 | liable_ | make sure your fs, and drive controller modules are built in |
| 11:12.56 | x3n0 | The line is " /extraswap none swap sw 0 0" |
| 11:13.08 | liable_ | x3n0: make it swap swap |
| 11:13.12 | liable_ | err |
| 11:13.24 | x3n0 | doh |
| 11:14.01 | x3n0 | too much caffine! doh |
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| 11:14.40 | x3n0 | thnx |
| 11:15.09 | nunu | I build with every fs there is :/ and even with the old config and the old kernel, I get this error,... the only thing I changed was the "realtime" option ... |
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| 11:16.06 | x3n0 | As you can tell I've never really played with swap (in any form) |
| 11:16.18 | liable_ | x3n0: i think if its a partition, its none, a swapfile is 'swap' |
| 11:16.43 | jgraham_ | I have a mail server running testing that was just updated and now SASL authentication to SMTP is broken (still works by the test clients and IMAP/POP). I've tried downgrading what packages I could, building some older packages from source, recompiling the current versions, double checking configs all at no avail. Could anyone spare a few moments to help me try and sort this out? SMTP is Postfix, SASL is Cyrus 2.1.22.dfsg1-8. |
| 11:16.43 | x3n0 | will sys use it straight away or will it require a quick reboot to see the results? |
| 11:16.51 | liable_ | i dont remember myself, and i dont have access to my box with a swapfile |
| 11:16.58 | liable_ | x3n0: mount -a |
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| 11:18.31 | x_link | Which button is the konsolebutton? |
| 11:18.40 | liable_ | huh? |
| 11:18.45 | x3n0 | ? |
| 11:19.05 | x_link | Ahh.. I can't ask that question here |
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| 11:19.29 | x_link | It's a game.. OpenArena... the guy tells me to hit the konsolebutton when I have started the game. |
| 11:19.50 | x_link | He says on Windows it's the button left of 1. But maybe another button in Linux. |
| 11:19.55 | x3n0 | right "mount -a" didn't mount the swap file... Could there be anything I am over looking |
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| 11:23.34 | liable_ | x3n0: did you try 'swapon /extraswap'? |
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| 11:23.52 | liable_ | x3n0: and your original line was correct btw |
| 11:23.56 | liable_ | fstab |
| 11:24.44 | x3n0 | root@pandora:/home/x3n0# swapon /extraswap |
| 11:24.44 | x3n0 | swapon: warning: /extraswap has insecure permissions 0644, 0600 suggested |
| 11:24.44 | x3n0 | swapon: /extraswap: Device or resource busy |
| 11:25.12 | liable_ | x3n0: cat /proc/swaps |
| 11:25.21 | rubenz | It seems X only works when I enable framebuffer support. But someone on this channel previously told me not to enable that. Oh well. |
| 11:25.51 | liable_ | x3n0: how are you checking to see if your swap file is being used? |
| 11:26.46 | x3n0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.46 | x3n0 | Filename Type Size Used Priority |
| 11:27.20 | liable_ | dont paste useless stuff here, and certainly no more than three lines |
| 11:27.34 | liable_ | or you'll get automatically kicked :) |
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| 11:27.52 | liable_ | x3n0: lsof or fuser /extraswap |
| 11:27.54 | vorsprung | x3n0, why not give the file the permissions that swapon suggests |
| 11:28.02 | liable_ | x3n0: may as well change the perms on it too |
| 11:28.33 | x3n0 | sys resource monitors prob not the best route to take but I still find the CLI a little intimidating |
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| 11:29.28 | liable_ | its not initimidating, just confusing as hell when you look at a man page and see 3000 options you dont understand :) |
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| 11:32.09 | SirMille | I'm trying to install something from the unstable sources list... and when running apt-get install gammu it want to remove base-config initrd-tools kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386 .. makes no sense to me.. should I allow it? |
| 11:32.18 | Crypticfortune | has anyone had any luck running nspluginwrapper inside of debian? when i try to install the flash plugin using it, i get "nspluginwrapper: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so is not a valid NPAPI plugin" |
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| 11:32.49 | liable_ | SirMille: err, i think you should stop trying to use unstable sources would be the best idea |
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| 11:33.05 | SirMille | liable_, only need that program. :-) |
| 11:33.18 | SirMille | http://freshmeat.net/redir/gammu/30123/url_deb/gammu |
| 11:33.18 | liable_ | SirMille: if you really must, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 11:34.00 | zamuro_ | Crypticfortune: http://marius.scurtescu.com/node/119 |
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| 11:36.22 | x3n0 | chmod 600 /extraswap ? |
| 11:37.29 | SirMille | one other question... apt-get upgrade (stable) want's to download a new kernel image... will that result in a reboot? |
| 11:37.47 | Crypticfortune | zamuro_: interesting. that's a different set of instructions from everything else ive seen. but still that gives me this error: http://rafb.net/p/o39wsT81.html |
| 11:38.28 | Crypticfortune | i think it's trying to find i386 specific libraries, but obviously those aren't installed. how do i get those? |
| 11:38.44 | zamuro | Crypticfortune: You've gotta install ia32-libs-gtk from unstable sources. |
| 11:39.01 | zamuro | Go to packages.debian.org and look it up. |
| 11:39.12 | liable_ | SirMille: if you want to use the new kernel, yes |
| 11:39.33 | SirMille | i see :-) |
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| 11:40.05 | zamuro | Crypticfortune: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/ia32-libs-gtk |
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| 11:41.21 | Crypticfortune | zamuro: thanks |
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| 11:42.09 | waKKu | morning folks.. |
| 11:42.20 | waKKu | someone can help me with this error on openoffice: no suitable windowing system found, exiting. ? |
| 11:42.23 | waKKu | debian sarge |
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| 11:42.29 | zamuro | Crypticfortune: np. |
| 11:42.57 | zamuro | waKKu: Which window manager are you using? Gnome? |
| 11:44.30 | waKKu | zamuro, yes.. but i had tried with fluxbox too |
| 11:44.32 | waKKu | same error |
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| 11:45.09 | waKKu | i have installed some recommended packages now.. trying again |
| 11:45.41 | waKKu | doesnt work ;/ |
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| 11:47.39 | Crypticfortune | zamuro: hmm, no errors reported from nspluginwrapper anymore, but the plugins just don't load..... |
| 11:52.51 | Crypticfortune | ooh fixed the not loading (dumb permissions problem. dont ask). sound doesnt work, and it throws a bunch of alsa errors. (do i need to dig up 32bit alsa libraries too????) |
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| 11:57.10 | perlmonkey | hi guys, can someone tell the command to update the filesystem db for locate? |
| 11:57.16 | liable | updatedb |
| 11:57.25 | perlmonkey | liable: thanks |
| 11:57.29 | liable | np |
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| 11:58.00 | Crypticfortune | oh well, ill have to resume tinkering with nspluginwrapper tomorrow (or just but crossover....) |
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| 12:01.49 | sep | if 2 people want to cooperate in a ssh session (one work, one view and comment) is ttysnoop useable |
| 12:05.10 | perlmonkey | hi sep |
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| 12:06.59 | liable | sep: try screen and screen -x |
| 12:07.20 | liable | get user to login, run ssh, then user b to run screen -x |
| 12:07.35 | liable | s/run ssh/run screen/ |
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| 12:12.05 | SirMille | isn't /dev/ttyS1 my first COM-port in debian? |
| 12:12.12 | liable | S0 |
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| 12:12.43 | waKKu | do which debian package contains libXau.so.6 ? |
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| 12:12.59 | liable | waKKu: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:13.06 | bigwig | hi |
| 12:13.15 | bigwig | i have amavisd-new 2.3.3 and i would like to have per-recipient white lists in LDAP |
| 12:13.22 | wij32 | hey. i need to add a folder to my path so whenever i call it from any directory it runs (its the java and javac command). ive been reading, (and trying), and no luck, can someone help me...i know its trivial but im lost :S |
| 12:13.23 | bigwig | i have $enable_ldap = 1 and $default_ldap filled out |
| 12:13.31 | bigwig | if i set amavisspamlover to true, recipient gets _all_ mail |
| 12:13.37 | SirMille | liable, looking in /dev/ to try to see the ttyS0.. but there is nothing even starting with tty, do I need to install something to be able to access it? |
| 12:13.38 | bigwig | but if only amaviswhitelistsender contains a sender address, it does not work |
| 12:13.44 | bigwig | could you help please? |
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| 12:14.28 | wij32 | not sure what file i need to edit, is it /etc/profile, or ~/.bash_profile..... |
| 12:14.31 | fmauNeko | hello, i've a debian sid and i have no sound with xine, but gstreamer works |
| 12:14.36 | liable | SirMille: you should have it, no need to install anything |
| 12:15.00 | StyXman | wij32: it depends if you want it user or system wide |
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| 12:15.10 | wij32 | system wide i suppose |
| 12:15.20 | wij32 | but a user would be good enough |
| 12:15.20 | BrinT | hey. http://rafb.net/p/XC2bkj81.html <--- works but it doesn't when I uncomment line 61 thru the end. why? |
| 12:15.25 | liable | SirMille: you most certainly should have tty's |
| 12:15.26 | StyXman | wij32: ok, then edit /etc/profile |
| 12:15.37 | SirMille | yeah, sorry.. found it. :-) |
| 12:15.49 | StyXman | wij32: as root |
| 12:15.53 | wij32 | ok, in then there is a if statement, think it checks if root or not, then another path for not root? |
| 12:16.01 | wij32 | il add the path to both? |
| 12:16.05 | SirMille | and it works |
| 12:16.07 | wij32 | so root and non-root can use it? |
| 12:16.15 | SirMille | ahhh.. me so happy. xD |
| 12:16.21 | liable | !path |
| 12:16.22 | dpkg | i heard path is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. |
| 12:16.23 | SirMille | thanks alot liable. |
| 12:16.34 | StyXman | wij32: hmm, that's better don in root's .bash_profile |
| 12:16.35 | liable | you're wlecome |
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| 12:16.59 | wij32 | ok, but if its in roots .bash_pro, can normal users call it? |
| 12:17.04 | liable | no |
| 12:17.10 | wij32 | i want all users to call it.. |
| 12:17.18 | wij32 | so /etc/profile |
| 12:17.39 | fmauNeko | nobody can help me ? |
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| 12:18.16 | StyXman | wij32: yes, but then why do you want to know if it's root or a normal user? |
| 12:18.38 | StyXman | fmauNeko: did you try to run xine from a terminal? |
| 12:18.47 | wij32 | because in /etc/profile the place where PATH= is, is in a if loop checking if root or normal |
| 12:18.57 | wij32 | so should i put it in both parts of the statement |
| 12:19.14 | StyXman | wij32: add id later, as in PATH=$PATH:/new/path |
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| 12:19.25 | BrinT | hey. http://rafb.net/p/XC2bkj81.html <--- works but it doesn't when I uncomment line 61 thru the end. why? |
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| 12:19.31 | wij32 | ah ok |
| 12:19.35 | fmauNeko | StyXman: i have only the libs, i use amarok and kaffeine |
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| 12:20.08 | dustybin | fmauNeko: stay away from kaffeine, it keeps u awake at night |
| 12:20.13 | StyXman | fmauNeko: hmm, then you can try to use strace, but it's ugly to read |
| 12:20.15 | winner | how to enable c syntax in vim in debian 3.1r1 sarge |
| 12:20.20 | wij32 | do i need " " around path? |
| 12:20.30 | wij32 | like path=$path:"/opt/java/" |
| 12:20.35 | threw | dustybin, at least one personn who says that ! |
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| 12:20.59 | StyXman | wij32: normally no, but if any of the dirs has space or othr chars, I would surround them by ' |
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| 12:21.03 | liable | winner: run 'vimtutor' |
| 12:21.32 | threw | winner won't win against vi |
| 12:21.36 | StyXman | other special chars* |
| 12:21.47 | wij32 | how about periods? |
| 12:21.48 | wij32 | . |
| 12:22.08 | SirMille | how do I allow remote connections to my mysql41? |
| 12:22.08 | winner | threw : Dear friend true winner wins in loosing also..;-) |
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| 12:22.28 | SirMille | i've created a user with "no host (*)" access |
| 12:22.31 | threw | winner, yes you are winning points |
| 12:22.43 | StyXman | wij32: period is considered bad, and all paths should be absolute |
| 12:22.54 | fmauNeko | okay |
| 12:23.02 | winner | threw : We want all to WIN.. TEAM WORK..man.. |
| 12:23.03 | wij32 | i have, /opt/jdk1.6.0/bin |
| 12:23.07 | fmauNeko | i wasn't in the group audio ... |
| 12:23.17 | StyXman | wij32: ah, those dots. yes, those are fine |
| 12:23.19 | fmauNeko | bye |
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| 12:23.26 | wij32 | kk |
| 12:23.26 | threw | winner, everything in the life depend what do you call "win".... |
| 12:23.50 | wij32 | ok done that, relogged, still not working, root is owner of file, would changing it to normal user work? |
| 12:24.25 | StyXman | wij32: restate the original problem, pleas, as I got in after that and lost it |
| 12:24.42 | scx | g nite... |
| 12:24.45 | wij32 | i have a folder /opt/jdk.1.6.0/bin (where java and javac are). i need to call them from any dir |
| 12:24.52 | wij32 | by user wij32 not root |
| 12:25.00 | StyXman | I see |
| 12:25.04 | wij32 | so ive added that dir to PATH? in etc/profile? |
| 12:25.21 | StyXman | ok, try "echo $APTH# |
| 12:25.31 | StyXman | ok, try "echo $PATH# |
| 12:25.44 | wij32 | yes, its not in there, jusst sbin. bin etc |
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| 12:26.13 | StyXman | then PATH must be reset in another file |
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| 12:26.30 | wij32 | maybe ~.bash_profile? |
| 12:26.57 | StyXman | check out bash's man page about invocation |
| 12:27.19 | StyXman | one of the mentioned files must be resetting it |
| 12:27.23 | wij32 | ok |
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| 12:29.14 | StyXman | also: try "source /etc/profile" to see if what you did is ok |
| 12:29.53 | wij32 | that didnt do anything |
| 12:29.54 | liable | i dont think your supposed to set /opt in your path |
| 12:30.07 | wij32 | but thats where my files i want to call are.. |
| 12:30.09 | StyXman | wij32: then something must be wrong in what you did |
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| 12:30.20 | liable | cause /opt is usually where you put newer compiled versions of stuff you have |
| 12:30.45 | VImtermute | oy |
| 12:30.49 | winner | liable : sorry but i am not getting anything with vimtutor.. i cannot get colors with vim. |
| 12:30.50 | wij32 | ok, well i can move the java file to anywhere, where u recommedn? |
| 12:31.37 | liable | winner: in vim, :set clour iirc |
| 12:31.41 | liable | colour |
| 12:31.48 | liable | google will say |
| 12:31.55 | liable | colours |
| 12:31.59 | winner | sure thanx.. man |
| 12:32.21 | StyXman | liable: what you put in your PATH is up to you |
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| 12:32.34 | StyXman | wij32: do you know how to use a pastebin_ |
| 12:32.36 | StyXman | ? |
| 12:32.44 | wij32 | yes |
| 12:33.04 | StyXman | well, paste what you did so I can check it out |
| 12:33.28 | wij32 | ok |
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| 12:34.15 | fong | hi, how do i restart inetd.conf? |
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| 12:34.26 | wij32 | i only edited my /etc/profile to have PATH=$PATH:"/opt/jdk1.6.0/bin" |
| 12:34.30 | wij32 | export PATH |
| 12:34.34 | StyXman | fong: /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 12:34.35 | bigwig | fond: /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
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| 12:34.41 | fong | ahhhh.. heheh ok tnx |
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| 12:35.20 | StyXman | wij32: and you did try the "source /etc/profile" thing? |
| 12:35.29 | wij32 | yes, it didnt do anything |
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| 12:35.33 | liable | update-inetd also |
| 12:35.52 | wij32 | apart from change prompt to root@hostname |
| 12:35.58 | StyXman | wij32: is that line within some if condition? |
| 12:36.10 | wij32 | il paste my file |
| 12:36.19 | StyXman | wij32: please |
| 12:36.40 | fong | styxman, i dont have an inetd in that directory... |
| 12:37.03 | StyXman | fong: then you don't have it installed or your setup is somehow broken |
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| 12:37.39 | liable | fong: debian installs inetd by default, are you using debian? |
| 12:38.02 | liable | ubuntu uses xinetd |
| 12:38.21 | fong | liable, yes ubuntu... |
| 12:38.32 | bigwig | bye |
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| 12:38.49 | Ronin | so that would be a no you're not using debian then fong |
| 12:38.49 | liable | fong: ask in #ubuntu please |
| 12:39.05 | wij32 | http://pastebin.com/895210 |
| 12:39.13 | fong | isn't ubuntu a version of debian? |
| 12:39.28 | Ronin | fong: no its a fork off of debian and they have thier own support system in place |
| 12:39.28 | fong | or built from debian? |
| 12:39.38 | fong | ronin, oh, alright... |
| 12:39.46 | liable | fong: you have just seen the reason why we cant answer ubuntu problems with clarity |
| 12:40.02 | fong | sorry guys for the confusion |
| 12:40.19 | wij32 | StyXman: pastebin going really slow for me, have u checked that link? ^ |
| 12:40.27 | StyXman | wij32: I'm on it |
| 12:40.32 | wij32 | ah ok |
| 12:40.43 | StyXman | you can try to use a less loaded pastebin |
| 12:40.58 | liable | use pastebin.ca |
| 12:41.02 | Ronin | wij32: pastebin.ca is usually pretty good |
| 12:41.05 | wij32 | ok |
| 12:41.12 | wij32 | does it seem ok StyX? |
| 12:42.28 | StyXman | wij32: sec, I had a little net problem |
| 12:42.34 | wij32 | kk.. |
| 12:43.16 | StyXman | wij32: try putting the " around the whole value |
| 12:43.21 | StyXman | as in |
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| 12:44.11 | DaveyB | What's a good CD Burning software for Debian? |
| 12:44.16 | StyXman | (ufff, it's realy slow today) |
| 12:44.20 | StyXman | DaveyB: k3b |
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| 12:44.38 | DaveyB | StyXman, will that work on Gnome? |
| 12:45.23 | Ronin | DaveyB: yes |
| 12:45.44 | StyXman | wij32: try PATH="$PATH:/opt/jdk1.6.0/bin" |
| 12:45.44 | liable | k3b needs qt libs though |
| 12:45.52 | liable | but will still work of course |
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| 12:46.35 | wij32 | ok |
| 12:47.03 | wij32 | nope |
| 12:47.03 | wij32 | :S |
| 12:47.27 | StyXman | schneeze |
| 12:47.42 | StyXman | wij32: yoy did source it again? |
| 12:47.56 | wij32 | what does that do? |
| 12:48.03 | wij32 | i just did as u said |
| 12:48.53 | StyXman | wij32: source reads the script in the same bash that you're running instead os a new one, so it modifies the current environment |
| 12:49.05 | wij32 | ok, so i dont need to re-log if i source? |
| 12:49.21 | wij32 | haha it works |
| 12:49.23 | wij32 | :-) |
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| 12:49.38 | StyXman | no, if you source, it shoudl modify your current bash |
| 12:49.55 | StyXman | wij32: ok, now try to logout and login again |
| 12:50.06 | wij32 | ah ok, when i source and try the command it works |
| 12:50.35 | wij32 | doesnt work when i re-lof |
| 12:50.36 | wij32 | log* |
| 12:51.20 | StyXman | wij32: then some of the other startup scrits must be oerwriting the PATH |
| 12:51.31 | wij32 | ok il check it out |
| 12:51.38 | wij32 | at least now i can just source when i need to compile |
| 12:51.41 | wij32 | :S |
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| 12:52.28 | wij32 | shit, i cant use any of my other commands now |
| 12:53.05 | StyXman | wij32: nice |
| 12:53.06 | jelly | Can I install sarge with the new installer? |
| 12:53.09 | wij32 | ha |
| 12:53.18 | StyXman | wij32: dont panic. |
| 12:53.27 | wij32 | its ok, i closed the shell and its fine |
| 12:53.30 | StyXman | run commands by abs path |
| 12:53.32 | StyXman | /bin/ls |
| 12:53.34 | StyXman | etc |
| 12:53.37 | wij32 | ah yes |
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| 12:56.41 | saintiss | hi |
| 12:56.53 | saintiss | how can I make fonts available which I just installed from apt? |
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| 12:57.01 | saintiss | surely I'm not forced to restart xorg? |
| 12:57.17 | liable | jelly: no, of course not |
| 12:57.45 | saintiss | fc-cache -f -v and xset fp rehash don't help |
| 12:58.13 | kuene | does the amd64 port work also for intel xeon woodcrest cpus? |
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| 12:59.24 | torrr | what does this mean ? "W: Couldn't stat source package list file: ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_home_ofirg_freenxpkg_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)" |
| 12:59.49 | liable | torrr: rerun update |
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| 13:00.09 | torrr | synaptic update? |
| 13:00.18 | wij32 | StyXman: i edited bash.bashrc, to have PATH=$PATh...etc......and when i source it also works, |
| 13:00.24 | liable | torrr: yes |
| 13:00.37 | fluxdude | does anyone know why when using cdrecord or K3b my workstation becomes much less responsive. i have lots of free ram and the burning isn't taking much cpu either |
| 13:01.07 | liable | fluxdude: does dmesg show any errors? |
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| 13:01.13 | fluxdude | burning a cd shouldn't affect the workstation so, at least it doesn't in windows.... |
| 13:01.40 | wij32 | haha its working |
| 13:01.41 | kombi | is it really true that libapache2-mod-php4 stable has no mysql support? why on earth would that be? |
| 13:01.45 | wij32 | bash.bashrc was the problem |
| 13:01.48 | wij32 | thanks guys :-) |
| 13:01.50 | fluxdude | liable: no dmesg doesn't show any errors |
| 13:02.35 | StyXman | wij32: sorry, gotta run |
| 13:02.40 | wij32 | its done :) |
| 13:02.42 | torrr | liable: I did "synaptic update" . result : same error message |
| 13:02.42 | wij32 | thanks mate |
| 13:02.49 | wij32 | bash.basrc was resetting like u said |
| 13:03.18 | liable | fluxdude: hrm, would imagine it to be a driver problem, cant really think why else |
| 13:04.40 | liable | fluxdude: see if google comes up with anything for your controller and kernel version and cd burning |
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| 13:06.26 | kombi | anyone running apache2 php mysql on stable? how did you do it..;)? |
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| 13:07.27 | zamuro | kombi: http://www.hostlibrary.com/installing_apache_mysql_php_on_linux |
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| 13:08.41 | kombi | zamuro: hey, this is #debian, not #Fedora core 1..;) |
| 13:09.21 | zamuro | kombi: Works on _ANY_ distro. If you're gonna complain about the help it's given to you, you better go #ubuntu |
| 13:10.22 | kombi | zamuro: hoo, easy, installed from source a zillion times, the thing is that package libaapache2-mod-php4 does not seem to have mysql support compiled it, which puzzles me big time |
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| 13:10.37 | kombi | s/it/in |
| 13:11.00 | zamuro | kombi: Then go install from sources then. |
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| 13:11.22 | kombi | zamuro: then don't then..;) |
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| 13:12.21 | kombi | anyone besides zamuro running lamp on stable? |
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| 13:14.34 | kombi | evidently not.. man, this channel has gotten quiet.. |
| 13:14.43 | wols_ | kombi: php4-mysql |
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| 13:14.53 | wols_ | and debian neevr had mysql compiled into php |
| 13:15.16 | wij32 | how to i add the unstable packages to my apt-get? |
| 13:15.17 | kombi | wols: ok... |
| 13:15.20 | wij32 | i want to get eclipse? |
| 13:15.44 | wols_ | what are you running now? |
| 13:15.49 | sgurung | hi .. i am using debian etch and when i install mysql-server it gives error during preconfiguration saying dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server. How can i resolve this? |
| 13:16.08 | wols_ | sgurung: what dependency problems? |
| 13:16.13 | wols_ | details are important |
| 13:16.19 | kombi | wols_: the strange thing is, php4-mysql is installed, still phpinfo() says "--without-mysql" |
| 13:16.37 | wols_ | have you restarted apache? |
| 13:16.46 | kombi | several times..;) |
| 13:17.17 | kombi | weired.. |
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| 13:17.55 | sgurung | wols_, when i insall mysql-server it says it depends on mysql-server-5... and when i install mysql-server-5 it says it depends on mysql-server |
| 13:18.18 | sgurung | wols_, its like a deadlock situation |
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| 13:19.22 | kombi | wols_: do you happen to know how or where extensions like php4-mysql are included / referenced? |
| 13:19.38 | wols_ | apt-get install mysql-servre mysql-server-5 |
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| 13:22.12 | kombi | how do you force a re-install with apt-get? |
| 13:23.00 | wols_ | apt-get .f install <package> |
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| 13:23.12 | kombi | thanks wols_ |
| 13:23.22 | kombi | that being -f i assume |
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| 13:23.50 | wols_ | or not. --reinstall it iss. sry |
| 13:24.01 | kombi | np;) |
| 13:24.09 | raf256 | can I help to get the shitty software fixed in debian, when I don't have time to change sources (but I can debug)? |
| 13:24.38 | raf256 | since quality of meany applications is far worse then in windows world (more crashable) and I find that embarassing |
| 13:24.38 | kombi | raf256: become a package maintainer |
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| 13:24.52 | raf256 | kombi: how exacly will that help? someone have to fix the bugs |
| 13:24.57 | raf256 | (in upstream) |
| 13:25.03 | kombi | why not you? |
| 13:25.05 | StyXman | raf256: you can help reporting bugs |
| 13:25.16 | raf256 | StyXman: meany bug reports are "ignored" |
| 13:25.20 | wols_ | good bug reports are important, very important. to hopefully find the causes why package x is doing y and causing bug z |
| 13:25.23 | wols_ | so yes |
| 13:25.24 | raf256 | like knode is crashing for like a year |
| 13:25.55 | raf256 | there should be some policy for this |
| 13:26.07 | raf256 | like NO bugs allowed in stable debian |
| 13:26.10 | kombi | raf256: there is |
| 13:26.29 | raf256 | kombi: then why knode crashing bug is not fixed for like 6 months |
| 13:26.43 | Ronin | raf256: are you the only one seeing this problem again? |
| 13:27.12 | kombi | raf256: do you want to help improve things or just complain? |
| 13:27.20 | Ronin | kombi: complain |
| 13:27.40 | kombi | sounds like it..;) |
| 13:28.10 | kombi | there really should be #complain;) |
| 13:28.11 | raf256 | kombi: both |
| 13:28.17 | raf256 | !bitchslap Ronin |
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| 13:28.35 | raf256 | Ronin: dunno, what difference it makes? |
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| 13:28.50 | kombi | raf256: file a bug report might be your best bet |
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| 13:29.08 | Ronin | raf256: a lot |
| 13:29.32 | Moorenkopf | can anyone with etch please probe if the openoffice writer crashes when saving texts containing urls? |
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| 13:30.11 | raf256 | I think "C" in "Debian" stands for "Crash-free" |
| 13:30.24 | jelly | Moorenkopf: any special wishes? Output format? |
| 13:30.34 | Moorenkopf | jelly: just odt |
| 13:30.43 | raf256 | Moorenkopf: any document with url? |
| 13:30.50 | Moorenkopf | yes |
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| 13:30.59 | Ronin | raf256: if its only happening to you odds are its not a bug but something you did, if its more wide spread then its a bug |
| 13:31.14 | m4ggus | Moorenkopf, my doesn't crash :/ |
| 13:31.17 | jelly | Moorenkopf: it worked. |
| 13:31.33 | raf256 | Moorenkopf: it didnt crashed |
| 13:31.40 | Moorenkopf | mhm. thanks so far :( |
| 13:31.49 | raf256 | Moorenkopf: I opened a new document and typed in http://www.test.com then saved as odt |
| 13:31.58 | raf256 | Moorenkopf: make a gdb trace |
| 13:32.17 | StyXman | ok, too much traffic now |
| 13:32.19 | StyXman | bailing out |
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| 13:33.33 | Moorenkopf | new trick: try the following url http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fter_gemeinsamer_Teiler_und_kleinstes_gemeinsames_Vielfaches#Berechnung_.C3.BCber_die_Primfaktorzerlegung |
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| 13:34.48 | raf256 | Moorenkopf: worked |
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| 13:35.12 | Moorenkopf | raf256: okay. I'll make a trace.. |
| 13:36.24 | unlink | why does running 'iceweasel <website>' bring up a window with that website loading in 2 tabs? |
| 13:36.27 | unlink | (instead of just 1) |
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| 13:37.45 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
| 13:38.06 | keta | unlink: I'm experiencing that too, maybe there's something filed about on the BTS |
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| 13:40.47 | raf256 | !bitchslap knode debian developer and/or upstream |
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| 13:41.05 | raf256 | when sending a BTS report, how to indicate that I already informed upstream? |
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| 13:41.56 | apk | Debian should ban all programs that start with a splash screen. |
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| 13:42.45 | larrik | is there commands to move rather than copy files across network? |
| 13:43.58 | larrik | where is everyone? |
| 13:44.11 | larrik | gone to school or sleep? |
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| 13:44.20 | perlmonkey | anyone know what "status 1" (cups error) |
| 13:45.19 | sgurung | hi .. what does this error "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" mean which happens when installing debian packages? |
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| 13:46.37 | capiira | hmm is kde 3.5.6 is sid anyone know? |
| 13:46.41 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.46 | wols_ | !tell capiira about search |
| 13:47.08 | larrik | only questions, no answers. :D |
| 13:47.08 | wols_ | perlmonkey: cups has extensive logging if you enable it afaik |
| 13:47.08 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 13:47.23 | capiira | thx |
| 13:47.24 | perlmonkey | wols_: I have enabled debug level logging |
| 13:48.01 | wols_ | larrik: only if you pose stupid questions like you did |
| 13:48.01 | perlmonkey | i still have no clue what "level 1" means |
| 13:48.01 | sgurung | wols_, any idea who to solve that error problem? |
| 13:48.01 | perlmonkey | or rather, "status 1" |
| 13:48.02 | wols_ | sgurung: no since you don't give enough information |
| 13:48.02 | larrik | wols_: that is too deep for stupid fool like you. |
| 13:48.02 | wols_ | perlmonkey: looked at the logs? |
| 13:48.16 | larrik | wols_: i bet you know nothing about networking. |
| 13:48.23 | perlmonkey | ya, thats where I got the "status 1" from |
| 13:48.26 | wols_ | "where is everyone?" doesn't strike me as deep question |
| 13:48.27 | sgurung | wols_, i am actually installing mysql-server |
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| 13:49.00 | LabThug | I "inherited" a debian server about Oct of last year that was running unstable. First thing I did was "upgrade" it to the stable branch. I'm trying to prepare it for the timezone update. It tells me its version of glibc is 2.3.5-6 and it has the latest version. However, my tzdata still displays the incorrect values. How do I fix? |
| 13:49.01 | wols_ | sgurung: your postinstall script had more output than just "returned error exit status 1" |
| 13:49.17 | larrik | wols_: you don't count, you are not "anyone". |
| 13:49.27 | wols_ | larrik: go away please |
| 13:49.35 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 13:49.38 | sgurung | wols_, i am pasting the error to pastebin ... please wait for sometime |
| 13:49.39 | wols_ | you are off topic |
| 13:49.46 | wols_ | sgurung: sure |
| 13:49.50 | larrik | is there command to move rather than copy files across network? |
| 13:50.00 | wols_ | LabThug: you cannot downgrade... |
| 13:50.03 | wols_ | and your libc is from sid |
| 13:50.15 | larrik | wols_: STFU and GFY. |
| 13:50.19 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 13:50.28 | apk | If I do a lot of grep ... | grep -v .svn .out etc., is there a utility well suited for that? I've heard of one, but can't remember the name. |
| 13:50.29 | wols_ | larrik: please stop the ad hominem |
| 13:50.40 | LabThug | wols_: ok, I did the wrong thing. Please forgive me. What should I do now? |
| 13:50.55 | larrik | wols_: wow, that's deep, what does it mean? |
| 13:51.06 | sgurung | wols_, http://pastebin.ca/384943 |
| 13:51.16 | wols_ | LabThug: wait until libc6 catches up from sid vresion wise |
| 13:51.16 | perlmonkey | PID 7656 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstocanonbj) stopped with status 1! |
| 13:51.24 | perlmonkey | any ideas? |
| 13:51.35 | LabThug | wols_: will that happen before the timezone shift? |
| 13:51.45 | wols_ | LabThug: I would try and run etch |
| 13:51.59 | wols_ | cause etch is currently frozen and will be new stable RSN |
| 13:52.06 | LabThug | ? You mean rebuild the server? |
| 13:52.23 | wols_ | no I mean put etch into your sources list instead of sarge |
| 13:52.31 | sgurung | wols_, http://pastebin.ca/384943 |
| 13:52.32 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 13:52.48 | LabThug | wols_: ahhh, thanks |
| 13:52.52 | wols_ | sgurung: the startup failed as you can see. look in your syslog |
| 13:53.09 | perlmonkey | I'm having problems with my printer under cupsys, I print a document and it shows as "stopped" and error log shows: PID 7656 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstocanonbj) stopped with status 1! |
| 13:53.12 | perlmonkey | any ideas? |
| 13:53.38 | wols_ | !any idea |
| 13:53.39 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of starving bunnies. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 13:54.03 | wols_ | but it seems your filter is the culprit for some reaon or other |
| 13:54.10 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 13:54.18 | wols_ | maybe it's not PS what it gets for input or whatever |
| 13:54.28 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 13:54.45 | wols_ | try if you can run the filter on a PS document alone and see what it spits out |
| 13:54.46 | apk | perlmonkey: /join ##cups ? |
| 13:55.06 | perlmonkey | already there |
| 13:55.14 | wols_ | apk: you got your P-M max heat thing sorted? |
| 13:55.32 | perlmonkey | I dont think I have any PS documents :-/ |
| 13:55.39 | wols_ | google for one :) |
| 13:55.41 | apk | wols_: No. I was just curious how hot it should run. It isn't smoking or anything. |
| 13:55.44 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 13:55.59 | wols_ | 100°C is max but I wouldn't run it at that temp ever :) |
| 13:56.04 | perlmonkey | but that would kinda suck anyway if I can only print one type of document format |
| 13:56.17 | wols_ | all unix printing is PS |
| 13:56.17 | apk | wols_: Oh. Mine is runnig at 50-55C |
| 13:56.24 | wols_ | that's why you have ghostscript for example |
| 13:56.32 | wols_ | that's fine |
| 13:56.52 | perlmonkey | i dunno what that means |
| 13:57.08 | nescius | hi, i need your help |
| 13:57.20 | wols_ | perlmonkey: pretty much every format is converted to postscript (printer language) and then again ocnverted to the special printerlanguage or printed via PS printer |
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| 13:57.33 | perlmonkey | oh right |
| 13:58.06 | apk | wols_: Is even plain ascii text converted to PS? |
| 13:58.08 | wols_ | !fix nescius |
| 13:58.22 | wols_ | apk: depends on the printer queue, but yes |
| 13:59.05 | limpio | hi all, Ext3 file system checks my partitions every 30 times i start the computer, do other fs do this? |
| 14:00.01 | wols_ | limpio: man tune2fs |
| 14:00.01 | limpio | ok |
| 14:00.19 | wols_ | dunno if others do it, but ext2 always had this |
| 14:00.25 | nescius | i dont know what else to install or do, i have to compile a kernel with IMQ patch, but everytime i do the compiling from debian version of kernel source with config generated by make oldconfig it simply crashes while trying to mount vfs root, i didnt change a thing in system part or filesystem modules in there |
| 14:00.58 | wols_ | it crashes while the kernel is compiling? |
| 14:01.02 | nescius | no |
| 14:01.07 | nescius | while booting |
| 14:01.16 | wols_ | krenel panic? what is the exact error? |
| 14:01.25 | wols_ | and: are you using kernel-package? |
| 14:01.44 | nescius | with the exact same parameters as the default kernel has |
| 14:01.49 | wols_ | mmhhhmmm chooclate |
| 14:01.51 | limpio | wols_, that does not answer my question, tune2fs is for ext3, my questions is do other fs do this automatically like ext3? |
| 14:01.54 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 14:01.58 | wols_ | nescius: answer my question please |
| 14:02.12 | wols_ | limpio: don't know of any |
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| 14:02.21 | wols_ | but for ext2 and ext3 it is normal |
| 14:02.22 | limpio | wols_, thanks |
| 14:02.59 | limpio | wols_, thx again, that is the reason i use ext3 |
| 14:03.05 | k8to | wow, apt-get upgrade is newly segfaulting for me, is this going around, or is my system likely hosed? |
| 14:03.27 | wols_ | k8to: which branch? |
| 14:03.33 | wols_ | and no, no problems on sid here |
| 14:03.40 | k8to | i'm on testing |
| 14:03.48 | wols_ | so imho it's unlikely |
| 14:03.50 | k8to | this is an i686 chroot |
| 14:03.52 | k8to | under amd64 |
| 14:04.10 | limpio | when i use iceweasel my system freezes, but not with opera anybody with the same problem? |
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| 14:04.42 | heyo | how can i make my pc speaker beep ? |
| 14:04.53 | hark | k8to: try removing /var/cache/apt/*.bin and run an update |
| 14:04.56 | hark | !beep |
| 14:04.56 | dpkg | from memory, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 14:04.57 | wols_ | limpio: mayne a plugin? flash, java, etc? |
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| 14:05.14 | heyo | hark i want a ssh command |
| 14:05.17 | limpio | wols_, just flash |
| 14:05.36 | k8to | hark: so bin are regeneratied? |
| 14:05.51 | k8to | hark: packagecache.bin looked suspiciously sized (100000 bytes) |
| 14:06.04 | hark | it's /var/cache/ after all.. |
| 14:06.15 | wols_ | very suspicious |
| 14:06.22 | k8to | yeah fair enough |
| 14:06.41 | wij32 | i guess its not very trivial to set up a wireless card?! |
| 14:06.50 | wols_ | depends on the card |
| 14:07.00 | wols_ | but it can be hard to impossible, yes |
| 14:07.03 | Petrov | when i install debian testing, he gets bogged down at 5% |
| 14:07.09 | wij32 | heh thought so |
| 14:07.27 | nescius | wols_, od course i do use kernel-package, or better to say i did, because i forgot that i reinstaled it yesterday, so i have to compile it again, i've found some special debian patches of IMQ for the default kernel, so i give it a try and eventually refer how that worked |
| 14:07.28 | wols_ | wij32: at least when you want a secure wireless |
| 14:07.41 | wij32 | :S |
| 14:08.02 | k8to | buh |
| 14:08.14 | wols_ | nescius: why do you need special IMQ? |
| 14:08.14 | k8to | nothing in /var/cache/apt ant it doesn't look like it's even trying to update things |
| 14:08.26 | wols_ | k8to: apt-get update no workie? |
| 14:08.30 | torrr | Hi |
| 14:08.45 | nescius | wols_, ..special? |
| 14:08.45 | torrr | I have deleted .Xauthority, how do I get it back? |
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| 14:09.07 | k8to | wols_: it .. .. goes through the list but .. it only claims to be getting the Releases |
| 14:09.08 | wols_ | traffic shaping is already in 2.6 |
| 14:09.33 | nescius | yes, there is but its not exactly what i am looking for |
| 14:09.46 | k8to | wols_: and then reports a segfault |
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| 14:10.27 | wols_ | nescius: then we need to know the error message you get when booting |
| 14:10.49 | wols_ | as a hint: it helps to compile in (no module) you harddisk controller driver, your root filesystem |
| 14:10.55 | wols_ | in debian kernels it's often in initrd |
| 14:11.06 | wols_ | k8to: with apt-get? |
| 14:11.18 | k8to | apt-get update yes |
| 14:11.29 | wols_ | delete the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 14:11.30 | StyXman | wols_: and your console device :) |
| 14:11.34 | k8to | i just moved all of /var/lib/apt/lists/* out of the way and am trying again |
| 14:11.45 | wols_ | StyXman: that should be in there by default :) |
| 14:11.58 | k8to | wols_: is it known to not recover if such is corrupt? :( |
| 14:12.06 | k8to | wols_: or guessing? |
| 14:12.17 | wols_ | mostly guessing but does no harm |
| 14:12.34 | k8to | yeah i guessed the same thing |
| 14:12.41 | k8to | man, apt has found like.. MORE ways to fail on me |
| 14:12.44 | wols_ | and: due to the way your apt cache looked, you have or had disk troubles |
| 14:12.44 | k8to | in the last year |
| 14:12.51 | wols_ | ran a fsck lately? |
| 14:12.52 | k8to | like 5-6 different problems |
| 14:13.05 | k8to | i've booted in the last few days |
| 14:13.10 | wols_ | cause if those bin directories are broken like they were, it is very likely other files are too |
| 14:13.15 | k8to | but not a full fsck |
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| 14:13.41 | wols_ | or maybe even run a smartmontools long test |
| 14:14.04 | k8to | given the multiple other ways apt has produced bogus results in the past few months |
| 14:14.13 | k8to | that doesn't seem the MOST likely outcome |
| 14:14.21 | k8to | but |
| 14:14.22 | k8to | it seems a reasonable precaution |
| 14:14.45 | torrr | hi, I made a new user, and all its files & home dir are owned by an other user ..:( |
| 14:14.48 | wols_ | apt is a very reliable program for pretty much all debian users |
| 14:14.56 | torrr | (:( |
| 14:14.56 | k8to | this is on a nonessential partition so i will fsck it after the update finishes |
| 14:15.02 | k8to | wols_: hahahahah |
| 14:15.15 | wols_ | since you are the only one where it fails so catastrophically and so often, it's far more likely it's you, your config or hardware that is at fault |
| 14:15.16 | wij32 | torr: use chown |
| 14:15.24 | wij32 | to change the owner back to who it belongs to |
| 14:15.35 | wols_ | torrr: chown -R user.group /home/user |
| 14:15.36 | k8to | wols_: broken keys at year rollover 2 years in a row, http.us roundrobin out of sync multiple hours a day |
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| 14:15.59 | k8to | wols_: it's a great tool, but "very reliable" is overstating it |
| 14:16.22 | wols_ | do you know what anecdotal evidence is? |
| 14:16.37 | wols_ | I never had a problem with apt, except the mmap one I think |
| 14:16.38 | k8to | hundreds of unresolved bugs in bts |
| 14:16.47 | wols_ | cause everyone uses it |
| 14:16.49 | torrr | BTW - I used the gnome tool to add user. I guess it doesn't work. What is the comandline alternative, that adds users? |
| 14:16.57 | wols_ | without apt and dpkg, you couldn't use your debian |
| 14:16.58 | k8to | http.us in't anecdotal |
| 14:16.58 | k8to | nor is key rollover |
| 14:17.09 | wij32 | adduser <username> |
| 14:17.13 | k8to | the keyrollover failed for the whole world at the 2005-2006 window |
| 14:17.23 | k8to | yeah it's a great tool! |
| 14:17.23 | wols_ | what has the mirror to do with it? if the mirror has problems it's not apt's fault |
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| 14:18.03 | k8to | http.us cannot work correctly |
| 14:18.07 | wols_ | and even without the key: apt was nagging but it worked just fine |
| 14:18.10 | wols_ | and why can't it? |
| 14:18.14 | k8to | whether this is apt's fault or debian's fault is .. a matter of debate |
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| 14:18.49 | k8to | because there is no way to ensure that the Release will match the Packages |
| 14:19.00 | k8to | because each Get will get a different server |
| 14:19.11 | k8to | and they are typically out of sync for hours |
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| 14:19.25 | thomas_ | I just install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 for my core 2 duo, with apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, but now my uname -a is not the new kernel, why ? |
| 14:19.38 | thomas_ | need I to reboot ? |
| 14:20.02 | msingh | hmm, is it possible to have flash 9 for opera? |
| 14:20.06 | k8to | given a significant number of Packages files (say contrib, sources, etc, you will hit at least one failure every update |
| 14:20.43 | torrr | 10x wij32 |
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| 14:21.19 | Gryfelhase | Hi |
| 14:21.28 | k8to | i mean sure it could be the system is dying, but the presumption that apt can't have a bug is kind of.. old #debian, the #debian that should stay dead, where users are presumed to be wrong, and if they aren't fanciful tales are invented to pretend they are wrong |
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| 14:22.28 | Gryfelhase | I'm looking under sarge for a programm to record from a micsrophon to a audio-file like wave or mp3 or something likte that |
| 14:22.33 | k8to | apt is great, and i've used it it for some 6 years or whatever, but i have no blinders |
| 14:22.48 | wols_ | it does have bugs of course, but not really catastrophic ones like you claim |
| 14:22.53 | bzed | !tell Gryfelhase about apt-cache search |
| 14:23.18 | wols_ | actually debian as a whole totally sucks. it's just that the others suck even more :P |
| 14:23.19 | k8to | don't put words in my mouth, i never said catastrophic |
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| 14:23.34 | wols_ | Gryfelhase: audacity should do the trick |
| 14:23.39 | k8to | i just claim it's not so reliable to presume a segfault MUST be a disk fault |
| 14:23.50 | Gryfelhase | thx wols |
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| 14:24.26 | wols_ | theblue: yes you need to reboot for new kernels |
| 14:24.35 | k8to | hmm |
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| 14:24.40 | wols_ | no. it could be memory fault too. far more likely |
| 14:24.57 | k8to | i've been grabbing many gigs worth of torrents recently |
| 14:25.28 | k8to | without any sort of hitch |
| 14:25.37 | k8to | so i'm thinking data corruption is unlikely |
| 14:25.37 | torrr | how do I know which group a user belong to? |
| 14:25.45 | torrr | and change it? |
| 14:25.52 | wols_ | you never had faulty memory? |
| 14:25.53 | k8to | torrr: primary? |
| 14:26.14 | k8to | torrr: groups <username> |
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| 14:26.18 | wols_ | torrr: groups |
| 14:26.19 | k8to | torrr: first is primary, the rest are.. the rest |
| 14:26.29 | k8to | torrr: is that what you want? |
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| 14:26.50 | torrr | ah |
| 14:26.53 | torrr | yes |
| 14:26.59 | torrr | also how to change it? |
| 14:27.16 | k8to | wols_: i've had faulty memory. i've been in hardware troubleshooting fulltime, I worked in SuSE support and I saw other people decide that any time linux didn't work correctly it was "faulty memory" |
| 14:27.41 | StyXman | k8to: normally it is |
| 14:27.41 | wols_ | nah. segfaults are a candidate for them if they suddenly happen |
| 14:28.06 | wols_ | but your truncated package file there is kinda suspicious for disk truble of some kind, don't you agree? |
| 14:28.14 | k8to | wols_: i would agree if they occurred in more than one program, instead of only one program repeatably |
| 14:28.30 | k8to | disk trouble isn't likely to cause a truncated file |
| 14:28.45 | wols_ | only apt uses libapt for example |
| 14:28.50 | k8to | thet truncated file suggests it's having problems reading whatever it reads to generate the package.bin |
| 14:29.01 | wols_ | so what if a bit (or sector)) inside that is broken? |
| 14:29.12 | wols_ | cause if it were a big bug in apt, believe me, we'd be flooded |
| 14:29.25 | k8to | or what if it just has bad data |
| 14:29.25 | k8to | because |
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| 14:29.30 | k8to | they'd look the same to apt |
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| 14:30.00 | wols_ | which is why I told you to delete your lists and reget them. cause guess where that cache file is created from? |
| 14:30.02 | StyXman | k8to: ok, restate it as "faulty hw" |
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| 14:30.56 | k8to | wols_: yes which is why i decided to do that myself before you said? |
| 14:31.03 | k8to | and am doing that now |
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| 14:31.30 | perlmonkey | alien -i Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package cnijfilter-ip4200: postinst postrm <-- is it best to convert scripts? |
| 14:31.43 | wols_ | insanity is defined as doing the same thing several times and expecting a different outcome |
| 14:31.50 | wols_ | perlmonkey: don't do this |
| 14:31.53 | k8to | StyXman: at least when i was trying to install linux on an extremely large number or computers in the early 2000s, it was far more likely that the hardware was .. clunky, than fault |
| 14:31.55 | perlmonkey | :-< |
| 14:31.56 | wols_ | never use alien |
| 14:31.57 | k8to | StyXman: faulty |
| 14:32.06 | perlmonkey | wols_ so how do I install a .rpm? |
| 14:32.11 | k8to | StyXman: like .. this cdrom drive doesn't like this linux install cd |
| 14:32.24 | wols_ | perlmonkey: sooner or later the deb will bite you in the ass you generated there. convert to tgz, install that |
| 14:32.24 | k8to | StyXman: or this IDE drive does something weird when linux accesses it in this mode |
| 14:32.29 | StyXman | k8to: ok, then call it "b0rked hw" |
| 14:32.33 | bzed | wols_: sometimes you jsut don't have any other chanche |
| 14:32.38 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 14:32.39 | k8to | StyXman: was the hardware flawed? quite possibly not |
| 14:32.45 | k8to | StyXman: very hard to say |
| 14:32.46 | wols_ | bzed: than doing what? |
| 14:32.52 | perlmonkey | wols_ how to convert to tgz? |
| 14:33.02 | wols_ | perlmonkey: with alien? |
| 14:33.02 | StyXman | k8to: normally it's a cd-reader/cd-media thing |
| 14:33.11 | bzed | perlmonkey: don't install a tgz if it goes into /usr, though. |
| 14:33.13 | k8to | anyway this system has been working fine for a month and is only failing with one program. investigating whether the hardware is bad: smart |
| 14:33.22 | k8to | assuming the hardware is bad: stupid |
| 14:33.23 | bzed | wols_: then using alien |
| 14:33.33 | wols_ | bzed: if it's the last one (no dependencies) it's no biggie |
| 14:33.43 | perlmonkey | perlmonkey: it does |
| 14:33.51 | bzed | lol |
| 14:34.01 | k8to | telling people their hardware must be bad without any real reason to believe that is true: worse than useless |
| 14:34.03 | StyXman | k8to: ok,point taken |
| 14:34.04 | wols_ | it's only a bitch if you have a deb that depends on the aliened-package, but that shouldn't happen anyways |
| 14:34.15 | wols_ | k8to: your whining is worse than useless too |
| 14:34.18 | bzed | wols_: but a tgz won;t help if it want to go into /usr.... |
| 14:34.20 | Gryfelhase | k8to: if only the programm hangs write a bug-report to the author.... |
| 14:34.45 | k8to | it's not whining, i'm criticizing your approach |
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| 14:34.49 | k8to | which MERITS it |
| 14:34.56 | k8to | maybe you dont' want criticism, fine |
| 14:35.11 | perlmonkey | the rpm im trying to convert is just a printer driver |
| 14:35.31 | bzed | perlmonkey: is it a ppd only? |
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| 14:35.36 | bzed | perlmonkey: or what's in there!? |
| 14:36.00 | perlmonkey | bzed: seems to be ppd and filter |
| 14:36.10 | StyXman | k8to: well,calm down, think about it, we *have* to assume some things. if not, we would be spending endless hours helping people... wich wealready do, but that's not the point:) |
| 14:36.44 | k8to | StyXman: oh, i've worked support for years, you have to deflect |
| 14:36.49 | bzed | perlmonkey: i'd at least not convert any script. installing a deb is not a problem if it doesn;t run any scripts.... you can still remove it. |
| 14:37.00 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 14:37.12 | StyXman | k8to: you worked it, we just hobby it |
| 14:37.33 | StyXman | you're a pro, we are just rookies |
| 14:37.37 | bzed | perlmonkey: you can install a ppd via the cups managment, but I'm not sure about the filter... never looked into that... |
| 14:37.47 | wols_ | StyXman: not with this attitude, he isn't |
| 14:37.51 | petemc | as an impartial observer, it looks like whining to me |
| 14:38.04 | stoned | I'm about to start whining |
| 14:38.09 | stoned | moving sucks balls |
| 14:38.10 | wols_ | start? |
| 14:38.13 | k8to | StyXman: it's a matter of deflecting people towards knowledge and helping themselves, rather than towards "go away your problem is unsolvable" |
| 14:38.16 | stoned | wols_: hehe |
| 14:38.17 | perlmonkey | its not necessary to install src.rpm file? |
| 14:38.19 | wols_ | well you just got up, so I guess you start for today |
| 14:38.27 | wols_ | perlmonkey: nope |
| 14:38.31 | perlmonkey | ok cool |
| 14:38.42 | perlmonkey | thanks guys |
| 14:38.49 | StyXman | stoned: why? it's easy: you move your mattress, the computer and eventually your clothes. |
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| 14:38.56 | stoned | well |
| 14:38.58 | wols_ | stoned: if you are moving, why are you on IRC? |
| 14:39.00 | k8to | stoned: hire movers |
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| 14:39.07 | stoned | wols_: taking a break/beer |
| 14:39.09 | wols_ | aren't you packing boxes, hauling pianos and stuff? |
| 14:39.11 | stoned | I've been up all night |
| 14:39.13 | stoned | :) |
| 14:39.23 | k8to | stoned: unless you have no money, in which case: corrall dupes |
| 14:39.47 | stoned | I wish I had a piano, no I only have a keyboard |
| 14:39.49 | bzed | k8to: you're experiences in any field, eh? |
| 14:40.03 | bzed | s/s/d/ |
| 14:40.25 | wols_ | natural born experts are good to have |
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| 14:41.03 | k8to | bzed: only some |
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| 14:42.20 | k8to | bzed: analysis and troubleshooting is by far my best developed skill |
| 14:42.23 | k8to | bzed: stupidly so |
| 14:43.14 | wols_ | stoned: is it sunday already? |
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| 14:44.02 | bzed | k8to: well, some people have a glassbowl as head, indeed. |
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| 14:46.23 | k8to | buh |
| 14:46.37 | k8to | i am pumping gigs of random data around and cannot produce an error |
| 14:46.37 | virtuald | is there an easy way to make cryptsetup only ask for one password on boot and not one for every disk? |
| 14:47.08 | virtuald | i configured encrypted volumes in d-i |
| 14:47.34 | torrrrr | hi |
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| 14:48.01 | torrrrr | my network is not functioning. Cant ping even my local network. Suddenly it happened. |
| 14:48.02 | bzed | virtuald: hopefully not |
| 14:48.11 | torrrrr | any log that may show something? |
| 14:48.15 | bzed | torrrrr: plug the cable back in |
| 14:48.25 | bzed | torrrrr: dmesg | gep eth often helps |
| 14:48.27 | torrrrr | bzed: Haha |
| 14:48.30 | bzed | *grep |
| 14:48.53 | torrrrr | I am going to try (by foot...) |
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| 14:49.35 | bzed | virtuald: such a function doesn;t make sense at all. it would have to know that they have the same password, that would be a weakness |
| 14:49.47 | k8to | is there a way i can recreate the environment under which apt runs its methods simply? |
| 14:50.06 | virtuald | okay then, is there an easy way to store the keys on a usb memory? |
| 14:50.30 | bzed | that's somethign I can;t answer, sorry |
| 14:50.43 | virtuald | do you know where i should look or ask? |
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| 14:51.25 | bzed | no :) sorry, probably just wait, maybe somebody else ehre knows |
| 14:52.00 | indigoblu | if removed a configuration dir in /etc, how can I reinstall the package so that these files are restored. |
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| 14:52.23 | bzed | indigoblu: apt-get --reinstall install packagename |
| 14:52.24 | indigoblu | ie: i rm -rf /etc/nagios2, yet reinstalling nagios2 does not recreate this directory. |
| 14:52.47 | me_here_ | apt-get -f install bla or apt-get install --reinstall bla |
| 14:52.51 | torrrrr | I don't see anything there except a few times I tried ifdown/ifup eth0 |
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| 14:53.12 | torrrrr | and it shows 'sky2 eth0: blabla down/up' |
| 14:53.17 | kaynine | Hello. I'd like to remove the cron/pam entries from auth.log |
| 14:53.26 | torrrrr | it also say 'no IPv6 routers' |
| 14:53.30 | indigoblu | bzed, me_here_ : nope, tried that, also did dpkg --purge <pkgname> |
| 14:53.30 | bzed | indigoblu: you'll have to purge the package before installing it again, changed config files are not replaced |
| 14:53.36 | wols_ | indigoblu: tried dpkg-reconfigure the package? |
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| 14:53.37 | kaynine | So far, mods to syslog.conf and pam.d/cron haven't helped. |
| 14:53.44 | torrrrr | when I ping it say host is not reachable |
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| 14:54.20 | torrrrr | any other log? |
| 14:54.21 | bzed | torrrrr: ah,.. the sky2 thing.. that's just a broken module afaik..ifdown eth0; rmmod sky2 (or however that module is called); modprobe sky2; ifup eth0 should help |
| 14:54.24 | kaynine | I commented out the session component in /etc/pam.d/cron so no there is no session line there |
| 14:54.27 | SkippyX | I was thinking about installing debian on an old lappy (300 MHz, 96 megs, 30 gig hdd). Possible? I was considering a debian net install vs. puppy linux vs. xubuntu. Recommendations? |
| 14:54.31 | indigoblu | wols_, nope, the script for this package fails during telling nagios2 to stop |
| 14:54.32 | wols_ | torrrrr: do you have a ipv4 or ipv6 network? |
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| 14:54.36 | indigoblu | wols_, ls |
| 14:54.41 | bzed | torrrrr: there is a replacement for the module, I jsut forgot it's name |
| 14:55.17 | wols_ | what module? |
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| 14:55.22 | torrrrr | wols_ : IPv4 I think all IPs are X.x.x.x |
| 14:55.23 | kaynine | restarting didn't help. Is there something to restart after changing /etc/pam.d/* |
| 14:55.25 | shawarma | I just joined a project on alioth, but I can't figure out where the svn is? |
| 14:55.31 | wols_ | torrrrr: and "eth0: link up" messages in dmesg? |
| 14:56.01 | torrrrr | wols_: going to see (by foot) |
| 14:56.04 | bzed | torrrrr: try the module, I'm pretty sure that's the problem |
| 14:56.10 | wols_ | dmesg |grep eth |
| 14:56.20 | bzed | wols_: allready told them that, nothign |
| 14:56.35 | k8to | buh, the reporting changes depending on strace or not |
| 14:56.41 | bzed | wols_: the sky2 module is known as beeing buggy |
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| 14:57.05 | torrrrr | wols_: link is up at 1000Mbps, full duplex, somehting |
| 14:57.33 | wols_ | torrrrr: what kernel version? |
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| 14:57.40 | bzed | torrrrr: did you try to remove the module? |
| 14:57.50 | bzed | torrrrr: everything < 2.6.20 has a buggy sky2 module |
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| 14:58.00 | k8to | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 14:58.01 | torrrrr | bzed: if I should replace it with something, I may need to get the replacement first while I may have a network after a reset |
| 14:58.03 | k8to | there we go |
| 14:58.14 | bzed | torrrrr: no, just rmmod the module and modprobe it again |
| 14:58.24 | torrrrr | wols_ I think it is kernel .18 |
| 14:58.52 | bzed | torrrrr: write a script that will rmmod/modprobe the module if the connection is dead or build yourself a 2.6.20 |
| 14:59.11 | torrrrr | bzed Ok, so how do I do it ? rmmod sky2; modprobe sky2; ifup eth0? |
| 14:59.13 | bzed | k8to: add APT::Cache-Limit "16777216"; to your apt.conf |
| 14:59.29 | bzed | torrrrr: I told you up there. |
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| 14:59.41 | torrrrr | bzed, just making sure |
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| 15:00.07 | bzed | torrrrr: ifdown eth0 down; rmmod sky2; modprobe sky2; ifup eth0 |
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| 15:01.29 | k8to | answer: apt was segfaulting |
| 15:01.38 | k8to | because apt is buggy |
| 15:01.48 | bzed | k8to: did you read my line up there? |
| 15:01.57 | perlmonkey | sux |
| 15:02.02 | torrrrr | bzed: you are the king, i did it and it works now, ping got through :) |
| 15:02.02 | perlmonkey | 4hrs, still no printer |
| 15:02.10 | k8to | bzed: yeah, the error i posted was uncovered after I removed the sources file it was stumbling over |
| 15:02.17 | perlmonkey | give me windose back |
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| 15:02.29 | k8to | bzed: i had some cache limit increase number in there already, but i guess it wasn't big enough, quite |
| 15:03.01 | abrotman | !info printconf sarge |
| 15:03.03 | wols_ | it crashed cause your sources.list was too large? |
| 15:03.11 | bzed | perlmonkey: blame the comanies for not writing serious drivers. if you go to a serious company and buy a printer you get a driver |
| 15:03.14 | abrotman | wols_: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 15:03.24 | wols_ | abrotman: I know about the mmap problem |
| 15:03.31 | k8to | wols_: dunno, it died on the rarewares entry, which is funky in various ways |
| 15:03.34 | wols_ | had it myself. MMAP ran out of room or such |
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| 15:04.00 | k8to | the mmap out of room message is fine really, but i was getting a segfault, i'm going to see if i can reproduce it |
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| 15:04.01 | bzed | perlmonkey: http://localhost:631 << if you're using cups and have a ppd, just configure it there |
| 15:04.07 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 15:04.07 | abrotman | Dynamic MMap out of room! |
| 15:04.24 | bzed | perlmonkey: turboprint is a commercial printing solution which works well, too... |
| 15:04.35 | perlmonkey | bzed: thanks im already there |
| 15:04.42 | wols_ | then catch it and put that damn MMAP back in the room |
| 15:04.53 | perlmonkey | bzed: I dont wanna pay $$ for a driver which is freely provided with my printer |
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| 15:05.04 | bzed | perlmonkey: free? ROFL |
| 15:05.16 | bzed | perlmonkey: if it would be FREE you wouldn't have to mess around |
| 15:05.22 | perlmonkey | bzed: Canon provides free open source driver |
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| 15:05.41 | perlmonkey | what is libm? |
| 15:06.05 | StyXman | perlmonkey: math library |
| 15:06.05 | bzed | perlmonkey: NO, they're not free. they're closed source, and the last time I've tried them they sucked. jsut use the drivers which cups brings |
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| 15:06.18 | bzed | perlmonkey: comes with libc6 |
| 15:06.32 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 15:06.43 | perlmonkey | I feel cheated |
| 15:06.43 | k8to | bah |
| 15:06.54 | k8to | something erased my backup of in /var/lib/apt |
| 15:06.59 | k8to | maybe me |
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| 15:08.04 | rdesh | hi all .. when i try to use some network monitoring programs when my interface is in monitor mode, i always get the common error of an unknown datalink. the only app i can use is wireshark. anyone know a way around thi? |
| 15:08.59 | k8to | buh |
| 15:09.09 | k8to | the packages.bin file (when it was failing) was exactly the same size |
| 15:09.12 | vorsprung | rdesh, see what libraries wireshark depends on and see what libraries the other programs depend on |
| 15:09.17 | k8to | as my old |
| 15:09.24 | k8to | Cache-Limit |
| 15:09.38 | k8to | i call that suspicious! |
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| 15:10.22 | k8to | bzed: what made you choose 2^24 for the Cache-Limit. is that the maximum possible? |
| 15:10.44 | bzed | k8to: no, but it works |
| 15:10.45 | rdesh | vorsprung: is there a command for that? |
| 15:11.05 | bzed | k8to: not sure where the max is, though |
| 15:11.10 | vorsprung | rdesh, ldd on the binary or apt-cache show on the package for starters |
| 15:11.12 | k8to | bzed: just feels like a low ceiling when it's only 1.6x the prior failing value |
| 15:11.24 | torrrrr | now I have an other strange phenomena: I start apps (In NX session) and the apps I start don't show up |
| 15:11.26 | bzed | k8to: ah stop whining |
| 15:11.28 | k8to | well, 1.677216x |
| 15:11.54 | k8to | i'm whining now? |
| 15:12.01 | k8to | i would classify this as 'nattering' |
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| 15:12.16 | bzed | well, you're a whining natter then |
| 15:12.39 | abrotman | k8to: did oyu used to have a different nick ? |
| 15:12.46 | k8to | whining is a complaining sort of "i'm helpless do it for me" thing |
| 15:12.53 | k8to | abrotman: no |
| 15:13.01 | perlmonkey | hi abrotman |
| 15:13.02 | abrotman | k8to: what kind of printer is it ? |
| 15:13.04 | abrotman | perlmonkey: hi |
| 15:13.13 | perlmonkey | vorsprung! |
| 15:13.28 | k8to | abrotman: i have not mentioned a printer |
| 15:13.36 | k8to | bzed: to my knowledge |
| 15:13.37 | bzed | perlmonkey was it, abrotman |
| 15:13.46 | k8to | err, abrotman^ |
| 15:14.03 | abrotman | oh! |
| 15:14.23 | torrrrr | well, maybe I just logoff/on or maybe it is worth fixing? |
| 15:14.27 | tarzeau | will debian etch support sata optical drives? |
| 15:14.31 | bzed | k8to: seriously, I don't care what you think whining is. you look like a whining little girl. what you think you're is totally out of my interest |
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| 15:14.47 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 15:14.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: it already does ? |
| 15:14.50 | bzed | tarzeau: it does. at least I've installed it from one |
| 15:15.01 | k8to | you're interpereting idle conversation as whining, and then getting upset about it needlessly, and then complaining about it |
| 15:15.02 | tarzeau | i see, thanks |
| 15:15.08 | k8to | which is a shame |
| 15:15.18 | k8to | anyway, thank you for the apt.conf setting |
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| 15:15.30 | bzed | you're welcome |
| 15:15.39 | cydork | tarzeau: rc 1 installer had some problems, daily should work afaik. |
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| 15:16.01 | tarzeau | cydork: i want rc 2 installer! awwwww |
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| 15:17.11 | wols_ | where do you guys get optical sata drives? |
| 15:17.15 | cydork | tarzeau: daily is for you then :) |
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| 15:17.30 | abrotman | wols_: the internet |
| 15:17.46 | bzed | wols_: my dealer has them under his desk! |
| 15:17.48 | wols_ | abrotman: brand? |
| 15:17.50 | tarzeau | wols_: i got some at work, where we still run 2.4 linux kernels which don't work on those (3 machines now) |
| 15:18.07 | abrotman | wols_: numerous? |
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| 15:19.09 | abrotman | wols_: check newegg .. there are a few |
| 15:19.51 | wols_ | seems asus, lg and samsung make one now |
| 15:19.52 | wols_ | interesting |
| 15:19.59 | abrotman | plextor too |
| 15:20.26 | torrrrr | is there an existing package for 2.6.20 kernel, or do I have to compile it myself? |
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| 15:20.37 | wols_ | 2.6.18 is latest |
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| 15:20.42 | wols_ | in debian at least |
| 15:20.54 | dustybin | i think Linux debian-desktop 2.6.18-4-686 is latest |
| 15:21.02 | JordiGH | Is there a way to remove the individual close buttons in each Iceweasel tab? I end up accidentally closing tabs this way. |
| 15:21.16 | wols_ | JordiGH: tabmixplus |
| 15:21.17 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 15:21.21 | wols_ | ffox extension |
| 15:21.27 | torrrrr | wols_: hummm so what should I do about that sky2? |
| 15:21.30 | JordiGH | wols_: Right, I'll go look into it. |
| 15:21.32 | tarzeau | torrrrr: i have one |
| 15:21.38 | wols_ | torrrrr: compile your own as you said |
| 15:21.42 | wols_ | will work fine in debian |
| 15:21.49 | k8to | i thought firefox itself allowed you to configure the close button style at this point |
| 15:21.54 | tarzeau | torrrrr: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-1_LOL.1_i386.deb |
| 15:22.02 | tarzeau | k8to: with about:config ? |
| 15:22.24 | torrrrr | tarzeau: LOL? |
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| 15:22.46 | k8to | no, i apparently invented it |
| 15:22.54 | tarzeau | torrrrr: lots of love |
| 15:23.01 | wols_ | torrrrr: it's a "release" you know. kinda like those battlestar galactica eps |
| 15:23.24 | wols_ | torrrrr: bah, it's not hdtv. lame |
| 15:23.25 | torrrrr | wols_: didn't know that |
| 15:24.17 | torrrrr | I feel funny about it , last time I've downloaded LOL file guess what happened... |
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| 15:24.46 | JordiGH | wols_: Is this the faviconize extension? Makes all tabs reduce to the size of just their icon? |
| 15:24.53 | tarzeau | torrrrr: you can also build your own using kernel-package and that .config file for example |
| 15:24.59 | Tenkawa | is there any easy way to validate a dst fix in linux? |
| 15:25.05 | Tenkawa | specificly in debian |
| 15:25.05 | tarzeau | torrrrr: it's not that hard, once you have a working kernel config file |
| 15:25.18 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: what's a dst fix? |
| 15:25.36 | perlmonkey | how do I install glib |
| 15:25.38 | Tenkawa | tarzeau: daylight savings zone change here in the US/Canada |
| 15:25.43 | perlmonkey | says package not found |
| 15:25.47 | torrrrr | tarzeau: where do I get the kernel source from? |
| 15:25.49 | Tenkawa | just need to doublecheck my tz data |
| 15:25.52 | teledyn | Tenkawa: when? |
| 15:25.57 | k8to | torrrrr: if you have need to build your own kernel, i recommend creating a package out of it via make-kpkg |
| 15:26.12 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: Uh, isn't it already installed? You need glibc in order to have a working Debian system. |
| 15:26.14 | tarzeau | torrrrr: www.kernel.org |
| 15:26.17 | Tenkawa | teledyn: sunday 2 am |
| 15:26.18 | k8to | torrrrr: (i'm hunting up the tutorial i followed) |
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| 15:26.21 | Tenkawa | you havent heard? |
| 15:26.21 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
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| 15:26.26 | teledyn | Tenkawa: this coming one? |
| 15:26.30 | Tenkawa | yep |
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| 15:26.44 | perlmonkey | ./autogen.sh --program-suffix=ip4200 **Error**: You must have `glib' installed. |
| 15:26.44 | Tenkawa | dst goes from march 11 to first sunday in nov now |
| 15:26.45 | stew | !dst change |
| 15:26.45 | dpkg | i guess dst change is Support for DST change in USA 2007 is provided by libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 in sarge and tzdata-2006p-1 in etch. 'zdump -v /etc/localtime|grep 2007' should show March 11 and Nov 4 (instead of April/October). If you've recently updated, restart any daemons relying on /etc/localtime or reboot. |
| 15:26.48 | stew | Tenkawa: ^ |
| 15:26.50 | teledyn | Tenkawa: they made it 2 weeks earlier. and 2 later in fall. right? |
| 15:26.52 | Tenkawa | stew: thank ya |
| 15:27.18 | torrrrr | tarzeau: so why does it mater which distro the kernel is for? |
| 15:27.19 | Tenkawa | yay |
| 15:27.22 | Tenkawa | fixed |
| 15:27.23 | stew | Tenkawa: any up to date debian machine has the fix |
| 15:27.26 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: apt-cache search glib |
| 15:27.31 | k8to | torrrrr: I'd skip bothering if you can though |
| 15:27.34 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: apt-cache search glib | less |
| 15:27.39 | Tenkawa | stew: yeah.. I needed to check one thats not so up to date |
| 15:27.40 | Tenkawa | hehehe |
| 15:28.02 | Tenkawa | but they all look good |
| 15:28.04 | torrrrr | k8to: I didn't understand your comment |
| 15:28.04 | Tenkawa | thank goodness |
| 15:28.08 | tarzeau | torrrrr: it doesn't? |
| 15:28.17 | torrrrr | k8to: context |
| 15:28.23 | perlmonkey | libglib1.2 - The GLib library of C routines installed eh |
| 15:28.24 | Tenkawa | 1 machine left to change then I'm done |
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| 15:28.32 | Tenkawa | thanks again |
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| 15:28.41 | perlmonkey | stupid Canon |
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| 15:28.53 | torrrrr | tarzeau: I mean if all download from kernel.org, and compile, isn't the resulting kernel the same for all? |
| 15:29.19 | torrrrr | tarzeau: I mean for all distro, given the same config file, which is hardware describing |
| 15:29.31 | k8to | torrrrr: my two comments were linked, sorry: 1) if you need to build a kernel, use make-kpkg, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/90, but 2) use a pre-built kernel if you can |
| 15:30.01 | tarzeau | torrrrr: no, the configuration can be very different, and people can patch the kernel with funny stuff before they build it |
| 15:30.10 | torrrrr | k8to: Ah |
| 15:30.35 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: You might need -dev libraries. |
| 15:30.40 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 15:30.44 | perlmonkey | whats the package? |
| 15:30.54 | teledyn | perlmonkey: what's wrong with other linux drivers? |
| 15:31.09 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: Same name, but with the -dev suffix attached. |
| 15:31.36 | k8to | torrrrr: different distributions may have different expectations for what things will be present. In general, most any kernel will work with any distribution, but there is the issue of various features failing, or automated things not happening or ... well.. it can be quite a hassle to figure out why some things do not work |
| 15:31.37 | torrrrr | kernel.org seem to be down |
| 15:31.37 | dustybin | im trying to install the nvidia kernel module onto more than 1 kernel on my system. the only way i can so it at the moment is if i uninstall then reinstall this: apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common but this means i can only use the module on 1 kernel at a time |
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| 15:31.49 | perlmonkey | teledyn: I cant find any, only 1 japanese guy and those dont work |
| 15:32.02 | teledyn | perlmonkey: check linuxprinting.org ? |
| 15:32.05 | perlmonkey | jordiGH: ok thanks |
| 15:32.08 | h3sp4wn | torrrrr: You could probably backport the driver to the debian kernel |
| 15:32.11 | perlmonkey | teledyn: started there first |
| 15:32.19 | perlmonkey | 6 hrs at this now |
| 15:32.25 | tarzeau | dustybin: ah i've got something funny to do this |
| 15:32.26 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 15:32.30 | teledyn | damn. i only use older printers. |
| 15:32.31 | perlmonkey | took 2 mins in Windows |
| 15:32.41 | torrrrr | h3sp4wn: which driver? |
| 15:32.42 | tarzeau | dustybin: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver ... i use it on 40 machines with about 15 different kernels |
| 15:32.53 | h3sp4wn | torrrrr: sky2 |
| 15:32.54 | dustybin | thanks :) |
| 15:32.59 | tarzeau | dustybin: so far it's worked fine, for like a year or two |
| 15:33.09 | teledyn | before they changed the ink so you can't use 3rd party refills or syringe refills |
| 15:33.18 | perlmonkey | teledyn: well this printer _is_ old, I bought it specifically becuz Canon had released open source driver for it for Linux, and cuz linuxprinting.org said its fully supported |
| 15:33.22 | tarzeau | dustybin: warning, it needs some fixup for linux-image vs kernel-image and 4 kernel version numbers vs 3 kernel version numbers |
| 15:33.28 | perlmonkey | just not only Debian it seems :-/ |
| 15:33.32 | torrrrr | h3sp4wn: you mean use the new driver with an old kernel? (I didn't know sky2 is a driver, o well) |
| 15:33.33 | perlmonkey | *under |
| 15:33.34 | teledyn | perlmonkey: what model? |
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| 15:33.37 | dustybin | ok dude ill take a look :) |
| 15:33.45 | perlmonkey | teledyn: Canon PIXMA iP4200 |
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| 15:34.08 | torrrrr | btw - eth0 already went down again |
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| 15:34.22 | teledyn | perlmonkey: hmm i don't know. anything after about bjc-6000 and i'm lost. |
| 15:34.38 | perlmonkey | installing any hardware under Linux is worse than pulling teeth |
| 15:34.47 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: not really THAT bad |
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| 15:34.58 | teledyn | perlmonkey: not really. its just a matter of knowing what steps to take. |
| 15:35.00 | k8to | perlmonkey: i've had widely varying experiences |
| 15:35.06 | perlmonkey | phew, im always spending several days on a task which should take minutes |
| 15:35.07 | k8to | perlmonkey: sometimes really easy, sometimes really awful |
| 15:35.15 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: indeed printers suck (especially if you have crap ppd, no support, no networking, no laser printing) |
| 15:35.17 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 15:35.24 | teledyn | perlmonkey: there are ways to find out how to go about it. |
| 15:35.29 | tarzeau | scanners can be crap too |
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| 15:35.44 | h3sp4wn | torrrrr: Look around its quite likely there is a backport to 2.6.18 somewhere (it may be trivial to do anyway) |
| 15:35.46 | JordiGH | wols_: Found this instead: http://ffextensionguru.wordpress.com/2006/10/22/firefox-20-close-tab-buttons/ |
| 15:35.46 | perlmonkey | what should I do? this printer SHOULD work under Debian |
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| 15:36.22 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: Have you already checked (dumb question) that there isn't a Debian package with the driver? |
| 15:36.36 | teledyn | perlmonkey: says here a gutenprint driver should work: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-PIXMA_iP4200 |
| 15:37.06 | perlmonkey | JordiGH: I did a search earlier but all I found was guten print, I installed that but it doesnt seem to include my printer |
| 15:37.48 | perlmonkey | it did print a page using the IP4000 driver (maybe the IP4200 is not included in Debian's latest package which is prolly old?) but the quality was terrible |
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| 15:38.22 | perlmonkey | sux |
| 15:38.22 | teledyn | perlmonkey: this says gutenprint driver is in cvs: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gutenprint/+bug/34599/comments/48 |
| 15:38.33 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 15:38.38 | teledyn | perlmonkey: did you go into cups printer config and change the settings, like the DPI? |
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| 15:38.47 | teledyn | perlmonkey: sometimes they default to lower values |
| 15:38.48 | perlmonkey | teledyn: ya |
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| 15:39.18 | perlmonkey | what is CVS and how do we access files from there? |
| 15:39.26 | teledyn | perlmonkey: this article says it printed fine in b&w: http://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=492602&sid=5361d2fa3809c21f2c7af271e82ddae0 |
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| 15:39.58 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 15:40.02 | teledyn | perlmonkey: considering that he submitted it in september it might already be merged in |
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| 15:40.17 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> Daylight Savings: /msg dpkg dst change | /msg dpkg 3.1r5 | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Test etch d-i http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:40.39 | stew | diff: removed <http.us> added <dst change> |
| 15:40.41 | perlmonkey | teledyn: all I can see is IP4000 |
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| 15:40.55 | perlmonkey | JordiGH: I never used it |
| 15:41.08 | teledyn | perlmonkey: see this link from the german article: http://www.granig-itsolutions.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=52 |
| 15:41.27 | loesh | perlmonkey, man cvs :) |
| 15:41.30 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: Concurrent version systems. Never worked with a free software project, I take it? Never gotten upstream source? |
| 15:41.56 | perlmonkey | wish I could read Deutsch |
| 15:42.01 | JordiGH | I guess people do code in Perl in Windows after all. |
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| 15:42.10 | Jaui | Hi, how can I block and ip if the user are trying a two diferent than 80 and 443, like 1h for example? |
| 15:42.11 | teledyn | perlmonkey: don't need to. just follow the code instructions |
| 15:42.17 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 15:42.31 | perlmonkey | JordiGH: no I just use apt-get |
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| 15:43.09 | teledyn | perlmonkey: i can translate any parts of it if you want |
| 15:43.18 | ramsys | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? |
| 15:43.19 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: A sane choice. But still, you'll have to run into CVS sooner or later, or perhaps you're one of 'em modern kids who use svn instead. |
| 15:43.53 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 15:44.04 | perlmonkey | teledyn: thanks |
| 15:44.22 | perlmonkey | teleyn: danke, alles klar |
| 15:44.50 | wols_ | ramsys: /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 15:45.20 | teledyn | perlmonkey: the last section might be tricky "installation of the printer" |
| 15:45.23 | wols_ | perlmonkey: you need a german translation? |
| 15:45.46 | teledyn | perlmonkey: his instructions are for using kde control center |
| 15:45.47 | perlmonkey | ja |
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| 15:46.34 | mindframe | is hdparm still a viable way to tweak hd performance? |
| 15:46.55 | wols_ | someitimes yes |
| 15:47.03 | perlmonkey | wols_ cool |
| 15:47.11 | teledyn | mindframe: to my knowlege is should usually not be necessary, but i'm not an expert |
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| 15:47.24 | perlmonkey | I'm following the instructions im ok so far, but may need translation towards the end |
| 15:47.48 | teledyn | mindframe: i think its very rare that a drive is misconfigured or configured sub-optimally |
| 15:47.56 | mindframe | im using data=writeback and noatime on my ext3 mount |
| 15:47.58 | mindframe | aye |
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| 15:51.39 | dromer | hi all, I'm trying to make a self-signed SSL-certificate using $ sudo mod-ssl-makecert but users still get the old certificate, how does this new one get activated? |
| 15:52.35 | dromer | oh wait, I probably have to restart apache? :# |
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| 15:53.42 | dromer | hmmm, apperantly not |
| 15:54.20 | perlmonkey | Nun wählen SIe im Bereich "USB" den Drucker "Canon iP4200 USB #x" aus und drücken wiederum auf den Button "Weiter". |
| 15:54.29 | perlmonkey | translate plz? |
| 15:54.29 | raf256 | lol I know a communist debian devloper |
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| 15:54.53 | perlmonkey | und: |
| 15:54.53 | raf256 | is it ethical to brake WAP encoding of other people? |
| 15:54.56 | perlmonkey | Im linken Fenster (Hersteller) wählen SIe den Eintrag "Canon", und im rechten Fenster (Modell) den EIntrag "IP4200" aus. Klicken Sie danach wieder auf den Button "Weiter". |
| 15:54.57 | teledyn | perlmonkey: well, i might try using http://localhost:631 instead of his method |
| 15:55.03 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 15:55.14 | perlmonkey | im at cups web admin now |
| 15:55.37 | perlmonkey | teledyn: its just the standard way to add printer right? nothing special? |
| 15:55.44 | wols_ | left window you choose (manufacturer) canon |
| 15:55.47 | teledyn | perlmonkey: yeah i'd try that |
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| 15:55.54 | perlmonkey | wols_ ok |
| 15:55.59 | wols_ | right window (model) you choose"IP4200" |
| 15:56.08 | wols_ | then klick "continue" |
| 15:56.09 | teledyn | perlmonkey: frankly i don't like using kcontrol to install a printer |
| 15:56.25 | teledyn | wols_: one step at a time. |
| 15:57.04 | wols_ | that's all in what he pasted |
| 15:57.05 | perlmonkey | ok its the next bit which confuses me |
| 15:57.05 | teledyn | we will try standard cups interface first |
| 15:57.05 | wols_ | perlmonkey: which? |
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| 15:57.27 | teledyn | wols_: i know german also btw. |
| 15:57.38 | perlmonkey | after I add the printer follow what you said above, I try to print a test page but it says the print filter was not found |
| 15:57.41 | wols_ | good for you :) |
| 15:57.56 | teledyn | perlmonkey: whoa. you went into cups. did you select add printer? |
| 15:57.57 | wols_ | does it say whre it searches? |
| 15:58.11 | perlmonkey | "Filter "pstocanonij" for printer "IP4200" not available: No such file or directory" |
| 15:58.18 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 15:58.34 | perlmonkey | it expects to find it in /usr/lib/cups/filter |
| 15:58.34 | teledyn | perlmonkey: whoa. when you selected add printer button, did it detect it connected to a usb port? |
| 15:58.44 | teledyn | perlmonkey: you are jumping ahead |
| 15:59.08 | teledyn | perlmonkey: does lsusb show your printer connected? |
| 15:59.16 | perlmonkey | teledyn: at first it did yes, it showed the detected printer and said, add this? but since I followed the german instructions, the Canon manu and model IP4200 has been removed from the lists |
| 15:59.40 | teledyn | perlmonkey: well stop there. it should be detected. if it is not there is a problem |
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| 15:59.58 | perlmonkey | teledyn: yup it shows the Canon |
| 16:00.03 | teledyn | perlmonkey: you may need to restart cups, or even reboot for good measure. |
| 16:00.09 | raf256 | off-topic a bit: is it ethical to brake WAP encoding of other people? |
| 16:00.13 | perlmonkey | ok i will restart |
| 16:00.14 | teledyn | perlmonkey: but it should autodetect by cups |
| 16:00.20 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 16:00.31 | perlmonkey | lets try again after a restart |
| 16:00.58 | wols_ | certainly not ethical and in most jurisdictions illegal |
| 16:01.21 | wols_ | btw: there is no "WAP encoding" to break |
| 16:01.27 | mikes_ | i put in /etc/apt/sources.list the experimental repos, and after update i cant "see" the experimental packages??do i need to do anything else?? |
| 16:01.30 | perlmonkey | it says "New Printer Found" "Canon iP4200 (USB Printer #1 with status readback for Canon IJ) |
| 16:01.31 | wols_ | WAP is a simplified html access for mobiles |
| 16:01.41 | perlmonkey | woah, this looks more promising guys |
| 16:01.46 | teledyn | perlmonkey: cool |
| 16:01.47 | perlmonkey | its never said all that before |
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| 16:02.18 | k8to | raf256: do you mean WEP? |
| 16:02.21 | teledyn | perlmonkey: so under canon the model "ip4200" should be in the list |
| 16:02.30 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 16:02.30 | raf256 | k8to: hmm yes |
| 16:02.42 | perlmonkey | Canon is still not showing under the Make list :-/ |
| 16:02.47 | raf256 | k8to: the weak encryption |
| 16:02.50 | ubm | I'm looking for a daily build for NSLU2/Debian RC2 http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/02/msg00011.html apperantly RC1 is broken. Would anyone know where I can find this? |
| 16:02.55 | k8to | raf256: (not trying to jerk your chain) |
| 16:03.04 | fallingdutch | how can i enable a bridge during boot? do i have to write my own skript for rcS.d or can i somehow insert it into /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:03.16 | teledyn | perlmonkey: i wonder if you need some other filters installed, just to make cups happy? |
| 16:03.16 | k8to | raf256: i can't see how it is reasonable to break into weakly encrypted networks |
| 16:03.31 | perlmonkey | teledyn: the make was showing earlier |
| 16:03.34 | k8to | raf256: it's illegal in most places, they're using a feature to keep you out |
| 16:03.41 | teledyn | perlmonkey: what about installing foomatic-filters |
| 16:03.49 | raf256 | k8to: I know a debian developer who says its ok |
| 16:03.49 | perlmonkey | teledyn: perhaps if I select the PPD file? it says, Choose make OR PPD? |
| 16:03.50 | k8to | raf256: if they wanted to let people in, they'd leave it off |
| 16:03.54 | teledyn | perlmonkey: and foomatic-filters-ppds |
| 16:03.56 | raf256 | k8to: I was quite surprised |
| 16:04.03 | k8to | raf256: shrug |
| 16:04.20 | wols_ | k8to: do you know where this debian dev lives? |
| 16:04.21 | perlmonkey | I want to try and get the manufacturer drivers working ideally as i heard foomatic drivers arent as good |
| 16:04.29 | k8to | raf256: in the end you have to make your own decisions about your ethics |
| 16:04.31 | teledyn | perlmonkey: try to install those 2 |
| 16:04.37 | raf256 | k8to: I will not do it, of course |
| 16:04.40 | k8to | wols_: i do not. maybe raf256 does |
| 16:04.42 | teledyn | perlmonkey: then restart cups |
| 16:04.43 | wols_ | cause some places it is not illegal |
| 16:04.58 | raf256 | wols_: poland |
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| 16:05.06 | raf256 | wols_: but I was concerning ethical, not law |
| 16:05.40 | k8to | raf256: at least in my part of the world (san francisco), it is common to have Wireless Access points with network identities like "WIDE_OPEN" |
| 16:05.43 | teledyn | perlmonkey: but i think also just choosing the ppd should be fine |
| 16:05.45 | k8to | raf256: or "USE ME" |
| 16:05.50 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 16:06.03 | jelly-home | k8to: no EAT ME? :-) |
| 16:06.09 | perlmonkey | teledyn: I selected the PPD and it looked promising, but then after I tried to print a test page it said: |
| 16:06.12 | perlmonkey | Unable to open USB port device file: No such file or directory" |
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| 16:06.30 | k8to | jelly-home: that would be equally suggestive, but not quite as clear on whether it's okay to send my packets there |
| 16:06.34 | perlmonkey | im screwed? |
| 16:06.46 | jelly-home | k8to: yeah, just kidding |
| 16:06.49 | teledyn | perlmonkey: i don't know |
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| 16:07.05 | k8to | jelly-home: yeah i liked it |
| 16:07.15 | junix | abrotman: you there? |
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| 16:07.15 | perlmonkey | Device URI: cnij_usb:/dev/usb/lp0 |
| 16:07.24 | perlmonkey | this looks weird/different to before |
| 16:07.36 | teledyn | perlmonkey: are cupsys and cupsys-bsd installed? |
| 16:07.47 | bzed | perlmonkey: seriously the last yime I've seen ppds from canon they were worse than foomatic. but that's a bit ago |
| 16:08.03 | perlmonkey | cupsys is, not sure about cupsys-bsd will check |
| 16:08.13 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 16:08.54 | vanisher | how can i install one specific package from unstable? |
| 16:08.58 | raf256 | k8to: ok |
| 16:09.04 | stew | vanisher: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:09.06 | perlmonkey | woah theres #1 to #13 (13 canon printers listed) in my device list! |
| 16:09.17 | k8to | raf256: i dunno, maybe he is right in his culture. |
| 16:09.23 | k8to | raf256: i'm doubtful though |
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| 16:09.32 | k8to | or hers i suppose (sexist) |
| 16:09.35 | perlmonkey | OMG |
| 16:09.37 | perlmonkey | its printing |
| 16:09.43 | abrotman | junix: yeah |
| 16:09.46 | perlmonkey | woah |
| 16:10.02 | junix | hey sorry i didn't come bck to file that bug....do you still want to do it? |
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| 16:10.04 | vanisher | stew: etch |
| 16:10.05 | perlmonkey | German ingenuity saved the day |
| 16:10.11 | rpc | perlmonkey :) |
| 16:10.14 | abrotman | junix: did you get the newest kernel yet? |
| 16:10.14 | perlmonkey | thanks guys :-) :-) |
| 16:10.16 | rpc | lawl |
| 16:10.16 | JordiGH | !beer all |
| 16:10.17 | vanisher | i want to install otrs 2.1.5 |
| 16:10.20 | raf256 | k8to: thanks |
| 16:10.27 | junix | abrotman: 2.6.18-4-686? yes.... |
| 16:10.28 | teledyn | perlmonkey: nice |
| 16:10.33 | eeyore- | mmm 1TB external drive :) man, it's taking a while to mke2fsck -c ... |
| 16:10.33 | JordiGH | Printing happened! |
| 16:10.36 | abrotman | junix: and nvidia works now ? |
| 16:10.39 | rpc | perlmonkey how nice to meet you again and even in #debian now ;) |
| 16:10.43 | stew | vanisher: "/msg dpkg quick sid/etch mix" note that when etch releases you should stop pulling packages from unstable without backporting them |
| 16:10.48 | eeyore- | (especially over usb2.0 --- maybe i should get a firewire800 card) |
| 16:10.50 | perlmonkey | phew the print quality on the test sheet is amazing, better than the windows test sheet even |
| 16:10.55 | teledyn | perlmonkey: all that was were instructions to use alien to install the pre-packaged .rpm's so you didn't have to compile them |
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| 16:11.02 | rpc | eeyore- what brand and model is that? i mean the drive itself |
| 16:11.12 | junix | abrotman: i was busy last night sao i wasn't able to work on that, had to build a TV copmuter for my dad, i have it working on 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 16:11.13 | eeyore- | rpc: maxtor onetouch iii |
| 16:11.27 | eeyore- | rpc: it's a nice little unit. usb2.0 + firewire400 + firewire800 |
| 16:11.28 | JordiGH | Debian -- Better than Windows, even. |
| 16:11.28 | k8to | i wish to contribute a bottle of champagne to the cache for the release party |
| 16:11.30 | rpc | eeyore- and is there a 1TB drive unit inside or is that dual 500 or something? |
| 16:11.31 | perlmonkey | teledyn: yes, strangely I followed the exact procedure earlier (or so I thought) using the rpm's from Canon UK website, but it didnt work |
| 16:11.39 | teledyn | perlmonkey: is that a photo printer or regular one? |
| 16:11.43 | perlmonkey | maybe I missed something the Germans had done |
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| 16:11.51 | vanisher | stew: it's about this one: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/otrs2 |
| 16:11.52 | eeyore- | rpc: dual 500, but you can set for either spanning, mirroring or individual |
| 16:12.08 | rpc | eeyore- oh that's really sweet, so full blown external raid then |
| 16:12.13 | rpc | how much? |
| 16:12.18 | perlmonkey | teledyn: it's a 4800 x 2400 photo printer which can also print directly onto CDs |
| 16:12.30 | bzed | perlmonkey: could you give me the link to the german page please, I missed it |
| 16:12.31 | rpc | perlmonkey can it make green tea? |
| 16:12.37 | perlmonkey | haha no |
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| 16:12.42 | sts | hello folks |
| 16:12.48 | rpc | sucks :/ |
| 16:12.56 | k8to | maybe if you put the water on top of the printer |
| 16:12.59 | sts | is there a way to automatically install servers from a customized debian cd? |
| 16:13.00 | k8to | and ran it for a long time |
| 16:13.02 | rpc | k8to worth trying |
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| 16:13.05 | perlmonkey | bzed: sure, http://www.granig-itsolutions.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=52 |
| 16:13.15 | eeyore- | rpc: wait, it only says raid-0 and raid-1 --- i don't think it does individual. i'm using it in striping right now |
| 16:13.18 | perlmonkey | interestingly tho... |
| 16:13.22 | k8to | rpc: thank you for the reminder, i am getting a refill of bao zhong now |
| 16:13.22 | teledyn | perlmonkey: it helps to know german and at least one romance language when skimming for help :-) |
| 16:13.26 | eeyore- | rpc: but it's the oxford 924, so it should be capable of all modes |
| 16:13.31 | rpc | eeyore- ok - very nice device though, i will consider getting one |
| 16:13.34 | bzed | perlmonkey: thanks :) |
| 16:13.41 | eeyore- | rpc: cdw, $700 i think. if you're interested in roll your own, try www.cooldrives.com |
| 16:13.48 | rpc | k8to he he |
| 16:13.57 | perlmonkey | the device seemed to be created incorrectly at first, it was only after I went back and re-selected the PPD with the original device from earlier that it worked |
| 16:14.07 | eeyore- | rpc: cooldrives.com has external enclosure that also has the oxford 924 with all the modes. $148 for the enclosure, you supply the drives (SATA) |
| 16:14.08 | bzed | perlmonkey: it only says one thing: you can;t print on cds with those drivers, they recommend turboprint for that ;) |
| 16:14.09 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 16:14.18 | rpc | eeyore- many thanks - good domain too :) |
| 16:14.30 | perlmonkey | sheesh, I guess I will have to resort to Windows then for CD printing, I can live with that tho |
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| 16:14.46 | ogamiitto | How do I install php5 with apache2-mpm-worker? This library (libapache2-mod-php5) prevents me to install it |
| 16:15.00 | ogamiitto | using debian stable |
| 16:15.08 | rpc | right dudes, how normal is it that nic sucks 100% of cpu when i upload to local ftp with around 40mbit/s stream? |
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| 16:15.27 | rpc | ogamiitto backports |
| 16:15.30 | k8to | rpc: that is quite high |
| 16:15.37 | k8to | rpc: what kind of system, what kind of nic? |
| 16:15.47 | rpc | k8to hm yes, basically the system chokes... and that's X2 4600+ |
| 16:15.49 | abrotman | junix: moment .. phone |
| 16:16.05 | junix | abrotman: no rush, i'm doing 10 things at once |
| 16:16.08 | bzed | perlmonkey: I can recommend turboprint. it's 60 EUR or so, but I have the licese for years now and it always worked very well. |
| 16:16.13 | rpc | k8to and nic is rtl 8169 |
| 16:16.15 | k8to | my old computer uses 30% cpu to send data at 10mbps |
| 16:16.18 | jelly-home | rpc: in short, it's not normal |
| 16:16.25 | rpc | jelly-home thanks :) |
| 16:16.27 | bzed | ogamiitto: you can't. thanks to sucking php |
| 16:16.27 | ogamiitto | rpc I'm using dotdeb repo, but apache2-mpm-worker is not thread safe compiled, sould I use another repo for apache2? |
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| 16:16.29 | k8to | rpc: but it is ne2kpci (bleh) |
| 16:16.37 | rpc | k8to hm |
| 16:16.42 | jelly-home | ne2k for the lose! |
| 16:16.43 | perlmonkey | bzed: phew I cant justify spending that, thats more than the printer cost! |
| 16:16.46 | bzed | ogamiitto: php is the not thread safe thing here, not the worker! |
| 16:16.50 | k8to | rpc: rtl8169 should be much more efficient |
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| 16:16.54 | ogamiitto | bzed, ok |
| 16:16.55 | rpc | jelly-home i suspect it has to do with module for that nic... can it be? |
| 16:16.58 | k8to | rpc: (old computer is also slowwww |
| 16:17.03 | ogamiitto | any workaround? |
| 16:17.04 | rpc | k8to it's a gigabit nic... |
| 16:17.08 | jelly-home | rpc: that's a onboard gigabit card, right? |
| 16:17.23 | rpc | k8to so i suspect that it's absolutely connected to the kernel then :/ |
| 16:17.27 | k8to | rpc: i have R8168 |
| 16:17.33 | rpc | jelly-home yes, the onboard one |
| 16:17.45 | k8to | rpc: pushing 10Mbps takes around 0.5% cpu |
| 16:17.48 | rpc | jelly-home i hear that they differ from pci model - different programming or something |
| 16:17.48 | bzed | ogamiitto: you couldk run php as fastcgi or do weird hacks like that, though. or just use python isntead of php and be happy. php sucks in general, I recommend reading http://www.php-security.org/ |
| 16:17.53 | rpc | k8to damn it :/ |
| 16:17.56 | jelly-home | rpc: it ought to behave better. Maybe there's an interrupt problem |
| 16:18.32 | rpc | jelly-home i'm begging for help, it's been two weeks since i started finding out what's wrong, could be interrupts but still i don't know how to debug this |
| 16:18.43 | k8to | hmm |
| 16:18.47 | bzed | ogamiitto: or jsut use the goold old prefork worker, it'll be slower, but work. and then and go and blame the php developers :D |
| 16:18.49 | jelly-home | rpc: anything in dmesg / kern.log? |
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| 16:18.57 | rpc | jelly-home it simply performs as old crappy nic on 486 box when i try to use some more bw |
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| 16:18.58 | k8to | usually interrupts on a modern system should be shared without a problem |
| 16:19.06 | bzed | rpc: tried the latest kernel (2.6.20..!?) |
| 16:19.14 | ogamiitto | i was using prefork worker but the site is not working well with it |
| 16:19.17 | bzed | k8to: _should_ you said it |
| 16:19.28 | k8to | bzed: agreed, reality may vary |
| 16:19.32 | bzed | ogamiitto: what is "not workign well" ? |
| 16:19.37 | k8to | bzed: espcially depending on the other driver |
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| 16:19.41 | jelly-home | rpc: you could also try pastebinning the output of "cat /proc/interrupts; sleep 1; cat /proc/interrupts" |
| 16:19.43 | rpc | jelly-home yes, each time i push alot (more than 20mbit stream) i get: Mar 7 16:29:54 mindstorm kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out and then i have to ifconfig eth0 up/down or it won't work anymore |
| 16:19.51 | ogamiitto | i have a lot of traffic, and the machine is loaded |
| 16:19.53 | rpc | bzed yes, i got 2.6.20.1 |
| 16:20.02 | ogamiitto | i think i'll work faster with a threaded apache version |
| 16:20.04 | rpc | jelly-home ok i will do it now |
| 16:20.07 | ogamiitto | or maybe other webserver |
| 16:20.07 | jelly-home | rpc: yah, that sounds like either a crappy card or a crappy driver |
| 16:20.24 | bzed | ogamiitto: did you change the settings for the prefork mpm? |
| 16:20.41 | jelly-home | rpc: try asking the linux-net mailing list. |
| 16:20.46 | bzed | ogamiitto: as in .. how many forks, max number of simultaneous requests and such things? |
| 16:20.56 | ogamiitto | i don't think so, what settings (to be more specific) |
| 16:20.59 | rpc | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/385093 |
| 16:21.09 | ogamiitto | i'll take a look |
| 16:21.13 | bzed | ogamiitto: search for prefork in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 16:21.23 | ogamiitto | ok |
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| 16:21.35 | rpc | jelly-home i know that there were problems with those onboard 8169, they need somewhat diff settings but i can't figure out what to change |
| 16:21.47 | ogamiitto | give me some minutes please :) |
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| 16:22.01 | rpc | jelly-home and hm linux-net... never tried them yet |
| 16:22.16 | elenril | after reinstalling debian, many automatic completions in bash stopped working |
| 16:22.21 | bzed | ogamiitto: runnign php as a fastcgi is another way |
| 16:22.21 | jelly-home | rpc: before that, take a look at driver's documentation and parameters, maybe it's documented somewhere. Also try googling for the card's pciid and Linux and/or the error message |
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| 16:22.31 | bzed | ogamiitto: or just using serious code ;) |
| 16:22.36 | perlmonkey | on honourable Canon printer :-) |
| 16:22.49 | rpc | jelly-home i have been googling really hard so far, also tried to compile module from realtek site |
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| 16:23.16 | bzed | rpc: which maiboard do you use? |
| 16:23.39 | bzed | +n |
| 16:23.47 | bzed | or better: which chipset |
| 16:23.49 | rpc | jelly-home there is ONE thing that i noticed - i can't use some mode in ethtool that probably should work and might have to do with this, it's about flow control that possibly can be causing that, what do you think? |
| 16:24.01 | rpc | bzed it's microstar, let me bring more details |
| 16:24.07 | jelly-home | rpc: low probability of solving it here, unless someone had the exact same problem |
| 16:24.15 | bzed | rpc: a paste of lspci would be nice |
| 16:24.24 | ogamiitto | heh, rest of the site is a rails app, but we are using a php adserver software, so i need php for this part |
| 16:24.26 | rpc | jelly-home yes i'm hoping so |
| 16:24.30 | rpc | bzed in a sec |
| 16:24.30 | elenril | it's probably because .bashrc and .bash_profile weren't created |
| 16:24.36 | elenril | where do i get them? |
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| 16:25.08 | jelly-home | rpc: no. even a cheap gbit eth. card should be able to deal with full 100mbps without problem, and do at least 200-300 mbps on a gbit link |
| 16:25.08 | rpc | bzed: lspci for you: http://pastebin.ca/385099 |
| 16:25.08 | bzed | ogamiitto: hmm, run php as fastcgi in a lighthttpd? or reqrite the software ;) :P |
| 16:25.34 | k8to | rpc: it is almost certainly a kernel-specific problem... not sure what is a good forum for that though |
| 16:25.38 | rpc | jelly-home that's right... and possibly not even get 20% of cpu on powerful box, and here it just chokes at 4MB/s |
| 16:25.41 | bzed | ogamiitto: you could run php in a threaded apache if you're sure you're not using any not-threadsafe functions AND your code is threadsafe |
| 16:25.53 | rpc | k8to i tried 4-5 diff kernels so far, all 2.6 though |
| 16:26.02 | k8to | rpc: err, what i mean is |
| 16:26.10 | ogamiitto | aha |
| 16:26.10 | k8to | rpc: userland is probably not involved |
| 16:26.32 | ogamiitto | i think it's better to optimize apache-prefork-worker and see what happens |
| 16:26.39 | rpc | jelly-home and k8to: i'm not sure if that's kernel itself or module for the nic, that's the problem, perhaps it's connected to irqs and mobo chpiset more than anything else |
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| 16:27.12 | k8to | rpc: is the time in interrupt state? |
| 16:27.14 | rpc | it could be an ass-silly thingie, a single kernel switch on boot etc. |
| 16:27.16 | k8to | rpc: system? |
| 16:27.27 | rpc | k8to how do i find out? not sure if i understood properly |
| 16:27.28 | jelly-home | rpc: asked on the relevant kernel list yet? http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-net |
| 16:27.43 | rpc | jelly-home hmm not yet... i might try then |
| 16:27.50 | k8to | rpc: generate load and look at the numbers on top? |
| 16:28.00 | bzed | rpc: googling for K8T800Pro linux kernel bug finds a lot of stufgf, probably you wanna read through that |
| 16:28.05 | rpc | k8to oh hm i'm doing that now, 99-101% cpu |
| 16:28.09 | k8to | linux-net is probably a good idea |
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| 16:28.16 | k8to | i'm always afraid to go on those lists |
| 16:28.28 | rpc | bzed oh really? never tried this way... so you say it might be connected to the kernel but not exactly nic-wise |
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| 16:28.40 | rpc | k8to i'm afraid too... |
| 16:28.58 | jelly-home | lists rule, forums suck ;-) |
| 16:29.00 | bzed | rpc: yeah. and update your MB's bios if you haven't done so |
| 16:29.06 | k8to | jelly-home: that is true |
| 16:29.32 | k8to | rpc: well it is some problem of communication to the kernel, or data flow, or interrupts taking too much time |
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| 16:29.51 | jelly-home | rpc: I guess you could try searching lkml and linux-net's archives for rtl8169 and your transmit timeout error |
| 16:29.56 | k8to | rpc: the programming and setup of the interrupt routing is kernel, chipset, and bios related all |
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| 16:30.20 | k8to | rpc: in top i would look to see wher ethe cpu time is spent, us, sy, ni, wa, hi, si |
| 16:30.20 | jelly-home | rpc: and possibly the motherboard model or chipset |
| 16:31.15 | rpc | k8to hm |
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| 16:31.37 | rpc | jelly-home i tried with that error many times and nothing useful pops up - i tried all possible tricks |
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| 16:31.44 | bzed | rpc: bios-update? |
| 16:31.45 | rpc | btw i'm using bridge if that means something |
| 16:31.46 | k8to | rpc: it is not likely to tell you much, but it might be a hint |
| 16:31.49 | rpc | bzed it's up to date |
| 16:31.56 | bzed | k |
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| 16:32.03 | rpc | k8to i will paste from top |
| 16:32.07 | k8to | an ethernet bridge? a pci-to-pci bridge? |
| 16:32.13 | jelly-home | rpc: what driver does it use? |
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| 16:32.48 | rpc | i setup eth bridge and the transfer is generated on the host behind it via tap device |
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| 16:33.29 | k8to | you have a linux system configured as an ethernet bridge? |
| 16:33.32 | jelly-home | rpc: also, are you running i386 or amd64 arch? Does the other misbehave similarly? |
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| 16:34.00 | rpc | k8to hm yes |
| 16:34.09 | k8to | if the rtl8168 system is configured as a bridge, it may need to be in promiscuous mode |
| 16:34.09 | rpc | jelly-home i'm running i386 there |
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| 16:34.15 | k8to | which could have a large effect on performance |
| 16:34.15 | rpc | k8to it surely is... |
| 16:34.19 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 16:34.21 | rpc | k8to oh? |
| 16:34.36 | jelly-home | rpc: rats. I kinda hoped it could be a 64bit-only bug ;-) |
| 16:34.47 | k8to | rpc: well, it means the driver has to do a lot more processing on all incoming packets |
| 16:34.57 | k8to | rpc: on a busy network that's significant |
| 16:35.00 | Azar | so now we got a new CD live for debian unstable huh? |
| 16:35.07 | rpc | jelly-home well yes i was hoping that too :) |
| 16:35.11 | k8to | rpc: otherwise, it kinda depends upon how the hardware is architected |
| 16:35.18 | jelly-home | k8to: meh, I could bridge 40mbps by hand if I had to! :-) |
| 16:35.21 | rpc | k8to but it's just a single data transfer so far... |
| 16:35.28 | k8to | rpc: i haven't programmed an ethernet chip for a long time |
| 16:35.38 | rpc | and br0 can't work THIS bad i believe? |
| 16:35.53 | bzed | rpc: bridging works very well |
| 16:35.53 | k8to | rpc: i could TRY getting it out of promiscuous mode |
| 16:35.59 | k8to | rpc: just to see |
| 16:36.03 | rpc | k8to what i hear is that this internal nic is a bit different than pci one programming-wise, do you have a clue what could it be? |
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| 16:36.16 | rpc | k8to but bridge will not without promisc |
| 16:36.19 | rpc | work* |
| 16:36.21 | jelly-home | rpc: you can always try with a transfer over a plain eth0 setup |
| 16:36.23 | k8to | rpc: right well |
| 16:36.29 | k8to | even if you want to bridge anyway |
| 16:36.33 | k8to | it is worth knowing |
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| 16:36.43 | k8to | i think |
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| 16:37.06 | perlmonkey | alles klar |
| 16:37.09 | bzed | rpc: what are you using bridging for? |
| 16:37.14 | bzed | perlmonkey: klar doch |
| 16:37.19 | perlmonkey | :-D |
| 16:37.49 | jelly-home | bzed: I bet for virtual machines |
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| 16:37.56 | jelly-home | s/for/on/ |
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| 16:38.19 | k8to | bzed: if you know that is an ingredient in the performance problem, it narrows the scope of your investigation a great deal |
| 16:38.24 | rpc | bzed i have another ip class and i have a few machines setup so i use br0 to network them |
| 16:38.36 | k8to | rpc: if you know that is an ingredient in the performance problem, it narrows the scope of your investigation a great deal |
| 16:38.42 | bzed | rpc: virtual machines? |
| 16:38.54 | bzed | rpc: or jsut other real machines |
| 16:39.00 | rpc | jelly-home hell the transfer on main box sucks as well... |
| 16:39.17 | rpc | yes, they are virtual |
| 16:39.21 | bzed | ah ok |
| 16:39.29 | jelly-home | rpc: ya, but at least you can rule out unlikely bridging problems |
| 16:39.39 | jelly-home | !win me |
| 16:39.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly-home! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:39.52 | k8to | rpc: (completely irrelevant, what virtual systems are you using, and how much do you love them) |
| 16:39.56 | bzed | rpc: I'd test that at least. remove bridging and look if it's still making issues |
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| 16:40.21 | rpc | bzed so you suggest trying main box without promisc mode |
| 16:40.34 | rpc | i had no idea that promisc may lower performance signific. |
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| 16:40.42 | rpc | if so, worth trying then |
| 16:40.49 | k8to | rpc: it might not, but it might |
| 16:40.55 | rpc | anyway DOWNLOAD is fast... i easily get 12MB/s even with promisc on eth0 |
| 16:41.04 | rpc | so can it affect only UPLOAD? and why? |
| 16:41.10 | k8to | hmm |
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| 16:41.20 | k8to | can you verify that the cost is much higher on upload? |
| 16:41.22 | rpc | it's only UPstream that sucks do hard |
| 16:41.29 | rpc | k8to define cost please |
| 16:41.34 | k8to | err, cpu load |
| 16:41.47 | k8to | i mean, megabyte per megabyte that hte cpu load is much higher |
| 16:42.07 | k8to | also, do you two local physical computers (or more) |
| 16:42.22 | k8to | take two: rpc: do you hae two local physical computers? (or more) |
| 16:42.36 | rpc | nope |
| 16:42.47 | rpc | but it's really NOT about virtual machine that is causing the prob |
| 16:42.58 | k8to | does the .. internet box have an ip address? |
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| 16:43.12 | rpc | i tested with both linux and windows virtual machines and it's exactly same prob |
| 16:43.23 | k8to | wait |
| 16:43.30 | k8to | are you only testing from inside the virtual machines? |
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| 16:44.51 | bzed | rpc: yes |
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| 16:45.10 | junix | abrotman: you offf the phone? |
| 16:45.14 | abrotman | i wish |
| 16:45.17 | junix | haha |
| 16:45.35 | junix | aite, let me knwo when you are, i'm here, i'm leaving in a little while for lunch... |
| 16:45.37 | k8to | rpc: i asked about a second computer because i was trying to come up with scenarios to clarify the scope of the problem, that is all |
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| 16:46.32 | k8to | that is all troubleshooting is really; try different scenarios, look at the results, make some guesses... etc |
| 16:46.58 | Azar | hey guys is sidux a new Debian-based distro, or is just plain sid on a CD ? |
| 16:47.41 | jelly-home | Azar: since there is no official debian-live-cd yet, I'd guess it's a new distro |
| 16:48.00 | k8to | Azar: sometimes the borderline between a debian project and a distribution is fuzzy |
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| 16:48.20 | k8to | Azar: it looks unofficial for now |
| 16:48.23 | Guerin | um |
| 16:48.25 | Guerin | yeah |
| 16:48.32 | Guerin | sid ain't never going to be released by debian |
| 16:48.35 | mikefoo | I inserted external usb drive and in dmesg I get: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 - where would the /dev be so I can mount it? anyone |
| 16:48.42 | Azar | jelly-home: the article I am reading -- Sidux: A live CD for Debian unstable -- is confusing |
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| 16:48.50 | Guerin | some other, more retarded bunch might try it, becaue newness is next to 1337ness |
| 16:49.06 | jelly-home | Azar: is it written by a reporter, (or worse, a blogger)? |
| 16:49.07 | Azar | ah ok thanks Guerin so it is a new distro |
| 16:49.13 | k8to | Azar: i would probably email the sidux people |
| 16:49.28 | Azar | jelly-home: http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/28/1017239&from=rss |
| 16:49.32 | Guerin | Azar: does the URL start with something.debian.org? |
| 16:49.41 | Guerin | if not, it's not debian |
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| 16:49.51 | Azar | ok thanks :) |
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| 16:50.19 | rpc | hm |
| 16:50.41 | Azar | so they can just take a Debian version and "make it" some other distro hmmmm |
| 16:51.19 | jelly-home | Azar: [...] pointing to sidux sources, and by installing sidux keyrings [...] <-- definitely not debian |
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| 16:51.44 | Azar | jelly-home: wow so they got own repositories and all.. |
| 16:51.52 | jelly-home | might as well use grml.org ;-) |
| 16:51.59 | rpc | jelly-home, k8to: what i also know is that the problem i'm having might be connected with SMP machine |
| 16:52.06 | Azar | but did you noticed they go by Debian rules and do not include non-free in the installer |
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| 16:52.16 | rpc | not sure why but that's what i read, it wouldn't be an issue on a single core box |
| 16:52.18 | h3sp4wn | Azar: They have a few things in there repositories that are not in debian (nx for example) |
| 16:52.22 | rpc | any clues why is that? |
| 16:52.36 | jelly-home | rpc: crappy driver. |
| 16:52.56 | rpc | jelly-home, k8to also virtual boxes often say about wrong timing or something, ticks missing, etc. |
| 16:53.03 | Flimzy | Has anyone else experienced difficulties installing Debian etch i386 from the current daily build of the netinst or businesscard iso? It will boot for me, but won't detect the CD-ROM drive. |
| 16:53.04 | rpc | jelly-home not sure why but i really don't think so |
| 16:53.15 | Azar | the author of the article should have stated clearly that sidux is NOT a Debian version rather a Debian-Based distro |
| 16:53.21 | rpc | it's a fresh driver, updated 12/06 |
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| 16:53.43 | jelly-home | rpc: btw, I haven't seen the answer, have you only tried to upload (transmit) from the virtual machines, or from the host itself too? |
| 16:53.44 | rpc | i think the problem has to do with interrputs or chipset more than with anything else |
| 16:53.44 | dalelove | hello all |
| 16:54.23 | rpc | jelly-home i did reply but there was a big rush... i tried both and same problem - only upload though, down is fine both on local machine and virtual one |
| 16:54.32 | jelly-home | rpc: thanks |
| 16:54.34 | rpc | and upload sucks so hard in both cases |
| 16:54.39 | mikefoo | I inserted external usb drive and in dmesg I get: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 - where would the /dev be so I can mount it? anyone |
| 16:54.46 | dalelove | what's a good open source CASE tool ? |
| 16:54.51 | rpc | it will even break the eth0 device from time to time... so i need to "cycle" it |
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| 16:55.13 | rpc | btw if i "cycle" each 20 mins. i will never get that error... but still slow speeds |
| 16:55.19 | rpc | so perhaps that means something? |
| 16:55.20 | jelly-home | rpc: quick fix would be to put in a decent card |
| 16:55.29 | rpc | jelly-home i know |
| 16:55.34 | Azar | dalelove: depends on the linux distro one is using... |
| 16:55.44 | rpc | but anyway... you can't be sure, it might NOT be the nic itself at all, just SMP box |
| 16:56.01 | jelly-home | rpc: so, tried booting into a non-smp kernel? |
| 16:56.13 | dalelove | Azar, can you point one for Debian ? |
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| 16:56.22 | dalelove | Azar, point to one. sorry |
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| 16:56.30 | rpc | jelly-home hm all of them are smp so far... there are no non-smp kernels anymore, i would need to try some very old one |
| 16:56.31 | ferrox | Anyone know of some minimalistic trouble ticket system? |
| 16:56.33 | dalelove | Azar, which one do you use ? |
| 16:56.38 | dalelove | Azar, if any. :) |
| 16:56.42 | rpc | perhaps worth trying... |
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| 16:56.59 | k8to | rpc: you have to cycle the device? |
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| 16:57.04 | k8to | rpc: meaning ifdown/ifup? |
| 16:57.06 | Azar | dalelove: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages you can see them all here |
| 16:57.06 | rpc | k8to hm yes |
| 16:57.09 | jelly-home | rpc: what, there's no way to switch off SMP in make *config? |
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| 16:57.25 | jelly-home | rpc: I haven't compiled my kernels in a while... ;-) |
| 16:57.26 | rpc | k8to it sometimes spits out this error: kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 16:57.30 | k8to | rpc: sometimes there are simply bugs in drivers that do not show up in UP |
| 16:57.46 | rpc | k8to and then i need to cycle it... or if i cycle with cron every 20 mins there will NO error ever |
| 16:58.09 | k8to | rpc: this sounds like a moderately firm problem description |
| 16:58.15 | rpc | jelly-home never tried that... i know i can disable smp but still i neeed smp to work anyway |
| 16:58.32 | k8to | rpc: still i would try it without promisc |
| 16:58.37 | rpc | k8to i will be glad to give you more info |
| 16:58.41 | k8to | rpc: oh |
| 16:58.47 | k8to | rpc: i can't solve it for you :D |
| 16:58.49 | jelly-home | rpc: so try it and see what happens, then, if it works, you can add that intormation to the report for lkml / linux-net |
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| 16:58.56 | k8to | rpc: i'm helping you gather data |
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| 16:59.03 | k8to | rpc: (i think) |
| 16:59.16 | rpc | k8to no one will mostly, i'm just trying to tickle people with thoughts in hope to hear something that might be helpful |
| 16:59.36 | rpc | jelly-home in this case i could as well install 2.4 kernel for single core |
| 16:59.44 | rpc | k8to yes |
| 16:59.45 | jelly-home | rpc: nooo... |
| 16:59.54 | rpc | so very old 2.6 then |
| 16:59.58 | jelly-home | rpc: NO! |
| 17:00.06 | rpc | there was exactly SAME issue in 2005... with same internal nic... |
| 17:00.09 | k8to | why would you want to try an old kernel? |
| 17:00.13 | jelly-home | rpc: wtf dude, there's CONFIG_SMP in 2.6.18 too. |
| 17:00.14 | rpc | there was a patch... but for some ass old kernel :/ |
| 17:00.24 | rpc | k8to to see if the problem is smp-related or not |
| 17:00.25 | jelly-home | rpc: just disable it. |
| 17:00.42 | rpc | i use 2.6.20-1 |
| 17:00.57 | jelly-home | rpc: you do know how to build your own kernel? |
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| 17:01.56 | rpc | jelly-home yes but the last time i tried SATA drives didn't work on boot ;) |
| 17:02.14 | rpc | and i'm worried to break something else while fixing this prob |
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| 17:02.46 | k8to | if you want to see if the problem is smp related |
| 17:02.49 | jelly-home | rpc: meh, worst thing that can happen is you having to choose a bootable kernel by hand |
| 17:02.53 | k8to | you should change only one thing |
| 17:03.06 | k8to | that is: enabling/disabling smp |
| 17:03.08 | dalelove | Azar, ok thanks |
| 17:03.16 | rpc | k8to hm |
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| 17:03.29 | rpc | perhaps it won't work at all then on smp machine |
| 17:03.33 | rpc | how can i be sure it will boot |
| 17:03.38 | k8to | if you go to an old kernel then the question remains, which of the many changes might it be? perhaps several? |
| 17:03.56 | jelly-home | rpc: use the exact same config and source, just change that one option? |
| 17:04.00 | k8to | rpc: i don't think there are smp machines that can't boot with a uniprocessor kernel |
| 17:04.12 | k8to | jelly-home: i think he should also change extraversion? |
| 17:04.12 | rpc | k8to all i know is that the problem was defined in 2005 (low performance for internal 8169 nic) |
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| 17:04.19 | k8to | jelly-home: or similar |
| 17:04.22 | rpc | and someone even made a patch but it was long ago |
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| 17:04.52 | rpc | i'm shocked that in 2007 there still IS a major problem with this popular nic |
| 17:05.04 | k8to | rpc: well... remember that one symptom can have many causes |
| 17:05.14 | rpc | very modern hardware - cpu, mobo, nic... and no one notices this shitty thing? |
| 17:05.20 | rpc | k8to well i know |
| 17:05.23 | ironfroggy | why might i get a "host name lookup failure" from sendmail on gmail.com when i know it resolves? |
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| 17:05.30 | ironfroggy | ive just setup sendmail and im trying to test it |
| 17:05.37 | k8to | rpc: i agree it is surprising |
| 17:05.39 | rpc | ironfroggy host misconfig |
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| 17:05.45 | jelly-home | rpc: cheap is cheap, even in 2007 ;-) |
| 17:05.53 | ironfroggy | rpc: is it not looked up the same way as any other time? |
| 17:05.58 | rpc | jelly-home but cheap means popular often |
| 17:06.04 | bzed | ironfroggy: where do you get that? |
| 17:06.14 | ironfroggy | bzed: in /var/log/mail.log |
| 17:06.19 | arod | is 2.6.20 entering sid any soon? |
| 17:06.29 | jelly-home | rpc: it also often means broken :-) |
| 17:06.34 | bzed | ironfroggy: sounds more like gmail.com telling you that your hostname can't be looked up |
| 17:06.40 | k8to | rpc: that makes me think it is probably working OK in many configurations |
| 17:06.41 | bzed | ironfroggy: paste the log please :) |
| 17:06.42 | stew | arod: not likely until after etch releases |
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| 17:06.50 | ironfroggy | no problem |
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| 17:07.17 | jelly-home | rpc: btw where did you find your 2.6.20-1? |
| 17:07.24 | arod | stew, gosh. So it could take ages :) |
| 17:07.34 | k8to | jelly-home: that is a GOOD question |
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| 17:07.50 | ironfroggy | http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/3904 |
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| 17:08.05 | rpc | deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ sid main |
| 17:08.05 | rpc | deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main |
| 17:08.16 | rpc | hope it wasn't a mistake to load that one... |
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| 17:08.37 | arod | look like I need a recent kernel for this intel g965 motherboard |
| 17:08.57 | jelly-home | rpc: it's a 3rd party build, maybe they put a special slow-down-rtl8169-for-rpc patch in it |
| 17:08.59 | bzed | ironfroggy: you ahve some general DNS issues there |
| 17:09.15 | rpc | anyway doesn't really matter what kernel i try... tried 2.6.17-486 and 2.6.18-k7 too... same prob |
| 17:09.21 | ironfroggy | is my personal lack of a qualified domain name an issue? |
| 17:09.27 | bzed | ironfroggy: your hostname needs to be resolveable, and the reverse-lookup needs to work, too |
| 17:09.35 | rpc | jelly-home it uses same driver... i can see that in dmesg on bootup |
| 17:09.37 | ironfroggy | this is just some local testing of a project, not the deployment where it will have a domain |
| 17:09.50 | rpc | r8169 is natively supported *caugh* |
| 17:09.51 | ironfroggy | bzed: am i wrong for finding that odd? |
| 17:10.02 | ironfroggy | or is that an anti-spam bot thing these days/ |
| 17:10.08 | bzed | ironfroggy: I doubt gmail will take your mail without having a proper forward/reverse dns entry for your server |
| 17:10.08 | jelly-home | rpc: I'd roll my own kernel, one with CONFIG_SMP=y, and one with CONFIG_SMP=n, and if the UP one worked, reported that to lkml or linux-net |
| 17:10.22 | ironfroggy | ok then, thanks |
| 17:10.26 | rpc | jelly-home that sounds sensible in my ears |
| 17:10.28 | bzed | ironfroggy: at least you';d have no chance at my server ;) |
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| 17:10.40 | rpc | jelly-home can i easily manipulate this kernel i got installed from that source? |
| 17:10.45 | bzed | ironfroggy: but sendmail should be able to reseolv gmail.com |
| 17:10.47 | jelly-home | rpc: no idea |
| 17:10.52 | rpc | jelly-home :) |
| 17:11.03 | bzed | ironfroggy: so that looks more like a general problem, too... |
| 17:11.19 | jelly-home | rpc: like I said, how can I know what did a random 3rd party throw into their repositories? |
| 17:11.38 | bzed | ironfroggy: what's the output of host -t mx gmailcom ? |
| 17:12.05 | rpc | jelly-home, k8to: it's running at 3500KB/s now and: Cpu(s): 7.5%us, 9.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 78.9%id, 4.0%wa, 0.2%hi, 0.5%si, 0.0%st |
| 17:12.10 | rpc | i don't f*** get it :( |
| 17:12.22 | jelly-home | rpc: you can try using their /boot/config-2.6.20-* with a source from kernel.org and maybe it'll even work |
| 17:12.22 | rpc | load dropped magically to 20% |
| 17:12.41 | bzed | rpc: you dont; want to use the module from realtek if you want to report something to lkml, though,. only use the stuff which is in the kernel |
| 17:12.45 | rpc | ...but it will go back up in a few mins |
| 17:12.58 | jelly-home | rpc: what's on the other side, btw? |
| 17:12.59 | rpc | bzed hm i will make a note on that, thanks |
| 17:13.13 | rpc | jelly-home the virtual machine you mean? |
| 17:13.21 | k8to | the realtek module moight be worth trying but i would expect the standard linux one to work better |
| 17:13.29 | bzed | rpc: they'll just say fuck you if you ahve any proprietary module in the kernel |
| 17:13.35 | rpc | k8to i'm back to standard one already |
| 17:13.41 | jelly-home | rpc: no. what OS is on the machine you're sending to? |
| 17:13.43 | rpc | bzed he he ok |
| 17:13.45 | k8to | is the realtek module closed? |
| 17:13.50 | rpc | jelly-home bsd |
| 17:13.52 | k8to | or just bad |
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| 17:14.21 | jelly-home | rpc: try some dedicated perfomance software, like iperf |
| 17:14.22 | rpc | jelly-home i'm sending to a local gbit server via common router |
| 17:14.42 | jelly-home | rpc: your 12MB/s sounded like you had a 100Mbps link |
| 17:14.43 | rpc | jelly-home i did... iperf says 100mbit for udp and sucky 7-8mbit for tcp |
| 17:15.15 | rpc | sometimes i disable autoneg and set it to 100mbit |
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| 17:15.39 | jelly-home | rpc: I don't think we can help you really; it's a kernel issue, and you'll have to take it to the kernel people who do kernel stuff with kernel |
| 17:15.40 | rpc | so, the problem is DEFINETLY related to uplink only as udp goes full bw |
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| 17:16.08 | rpc | or someone who maintains rtl driver |
| 17:16.09 | Flimzy | Has anyone else experienced difficulties installing Debian etch i386 from the current daily build of the netinst or businesscard iso? It will boot for me, but won't detect the CD-ROM drive. |
| 17:16.24 | jelly-home | rpc: the card might be losing TX packets intermittently |
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| 17:16.42 | rpc | jelly-home what does that mean? i can't see any loss on ifconfig nor ethtool stats |
| 17:16.47 | keks2007 | hi |
| 17:17.10 | jelly-home | rpc: well, that would be one explanation for poor tcp performance |
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| 17:17.29 | keks2007 | how i can install clean latest apache2, php, mysql in latest debian stable |
| 17:17.29 | rpc | jelly-home BUT in windows virtual machine i saw something wicked... ftp says that transfer is 10MB/s while it sends 1500-1600KB/s in reality... why the hell would the ftp think something else? a damn loop or something? |
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| 17:17.50 | jelly-home | rpc: no idea about windows |
| 17:17.58 | rpc | it's not about windows really |
| 17:18.00 | jelly-home | rpc: could be a timing issue |
| 17:18.05 | rpc | yes |
| 17:18.09 | rpc | that's what i meant |
| 17:18.12 | Flimzy | rpc: 10MBit == 1500kbyte |
| 17:18.20 | rpc | plus those missing ticks in linux virtual machine... |
| 17:18.26 | jelly-home | Flimzy: 1250! :-) |
| 17:18.27 | rpc | Flimzy exactly |
| 17:18.44 | rpc | well it goes 1200-1500 so let's say it acts like 10mbit |
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| 17:18.59 | Flimzy | rpc: so what's the problem/ |
| 17:19.00 | bzed | rpc: are you using hpet? |
| 17:19.03 | raj | how to setup ramdisk |
| 17:19.11 | rpc | Flimzy hm i will tell you in a sec |
| 17:19.36 | jelly-home | Flimzy: it's a gigabit card, it's supposed to give out a bit more |
| 17:19.38 | rpc | Flimzy i use a 8169 gbit internal nic on a box and it does sucks hard when uploading files |
| 17:19.53 | rpc | Flimzy download is fine, upload is like horror and also cpu gets 100% very often |
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| 17:20.05 | keks2007 | help!! |
| 17:20.17 | jelly-home | !help keks2007 |
| 17:20.22 | rpc | Flimzy iperf says 100mbit for udp mode and 6-8mbit for tcp |
| 17:20.25 | jelly-home | meh |
| 17:20.25 | Flimzy | rpc: sounds like an I/O problem... bad NIC or bad hard drive (probably nic) |
| 17:20.39 | rpc | Flimzy i would see packet loss then and there is none |
| 17:20.45 | Flimzy | not necissarily. |
| 17:20.53 | rpc | drive isn't faulty as i can download at great speed |
| 17:21.00 | jelly-home | keks2007: You're in a twisty maze of little passages, all different. |
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| 17:21.33 | rpc | Flimzy plus this 8169 problem was defined in 2005... i saw some patches on that time |
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| 17:21.55 | Flimzy | rpc: sounds like you have an idea of where to look for a solution then |
| 17:21.57 | rpc | Flimzy i would suspect some i/o shit, just not sure how to debug it |
| 17:22.10 | Flimzy | rpc: You might look into IRQ's |
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| 17:22.12 | rpc | Flimzy no, because the patch was for old, unicpu kernel |
| 17:22.29 | jelly-home | rpc: kernels were SMP even in 2005. |
| 17:22.30 | rpc | Flimzy i do think it has to do with irqs but i don't know what and how to change or even start debugging |
| 17:22.48 | tenco | is there a channel for debian/hurd? |
| 17:22.51 | PupenoR | isn't there a command like gless or gcat that gunzips and then 'views' a text file? |
| 17:22.59 | abrotman | !hurd |
| 17:22.59 | dpkg | hurd is probably a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
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| 17:23.23 | jelly-home | rpc: you want to describe the problem at linux-net or lkml, and follow their lead. |
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| 17:23.43 | Flimzy | rpc: look at /proc/interrupts |
| 17:23.51 | Flimzy | rpc: Try changing the IRQ assignments in the BIOS |
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| 17:24.13 | rpc | Flimzy i tried playing with APIC so far etc. |
| 17:24.22 | bzed | rpc: tried noapic? |
| 17:24.22 | jelly-home | Flimzy: this is his /proc/interrupts : http://pastebin.ca/385093 |
| 17:24.42 | rpc | bzed yes, it made things even worse... put my eth0 on shared irq together with hdd :) |
| 17:24.47 | rpc | jelly-home thank you |
| 17:24.51 | rpc | was about to do that |
| 17:24.54 | stray_ | PupenoR: you could zcat <file> | less |
| 17:25.03 | rpc | this is lspci too: http://pastebin.ca/385099 |
| 17:25.04 | PupenoR | stray_: thanks. |
| 17:25.22 | jelly-home | Flimzy: there's about 800 int. for eth0 in a second, which could be ok for a cheap card with moderate load I guess |
| 17:25.23 | rpc | bzed perhaps there are more magical switches to try? like something that has to do with irq or io? |
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| 17:25.51 | k8to | PupenoR: maybe you are thinking of zless, but zcat |less is the same thing really |
| 17:26.11 | Flimzy | jelly-home: Is there a noticable difference between IRQ's generated w/ RX vs TX? |
| 17:26.15 | PupenoR | Can you have more than one instance of mediawiki running? |
| 17:26.17 | rpc | btw what does this mean nic/io-wise? Mar 6 14:09:08 tor kernel: Losing too many ticks! |
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| 17:26.41 | bzed | rpc: tried nolapic ? |
| 17:26.43 | jelly-home | Flimzy: haven't tried it with different loads, you take it from here ;-) |
| 17:26.50 | rpc | and another idea? can flow control on/off change something? nbtw 8169 won't allow me to alter that for some reason |
| 17:26.54 | Flimzy | rpc: Sounds like a cheap nic with crappy IO hardware ;) |
| 17:27.00 | rpc | bzed hmm... not that one... hmm... |
| 17:27.18 | bzed | rpc: although what I'd do is just get an e1000 or so and be happy |
| 17:27.24 | Flimzy | rpc: is it an integrated nic? or pci card? |
| 17:27.32 | rpc | Flimzy integrated |
| 17:27.42 | Flimzy | rpc: hmm |
| 17:27.46 | rpc | Flimzy and someone noticed same prob in 2005... pci worked fine, integrated didn't |
| 17:27.52 | rpc | diff programming or something, he said |
| 17:28.03 | Flimzy | might try upgrading the bios on your mobo |
| 17:28.09 | rpc | it's up to date |
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| 17:28.14 | Flimzy | that's always a good idea with weird stuff like that |
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| 17:28.19 | Flimzy | rpc: what kernel version? |
| 17:28.36 | rpc | 2.6.20-1 now but same with 2.6.18-k7 and 2.6.17-486 that i tried so far |
| 17:28.54 | rpc | i also hear that this problem might be related to JUST smp machine... like mine (4600+) |
| 17:29.15 | Flimzy | rpc: Boot a non-SMP kernel and see what happens. |
| 17:29.25 | rpc | Mar 7 16:29:54 mindstorm kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed ou |
| 17:29.39 | rpc | i often get that on heavier upload btw |
| 17:29.43 | jelly-home | Flimzy: that's what we told him 20 minutes ago! :-) |
| 17:29.46 | rpc | what the hell is NETDEV? |
| 17:29.56 | Flimzy | jelly-home: did he do it/ |
| 17:29.57 | Flimzy | ? |
| 17:30.05 | jelly-home | Flimzy: not yet, apparently |
| 17:30.07 | rpc | jelly-home i have no non-smp kernel ready to just try it out of the box |
| 17:30.14 | rpc | plus i'm scared that box won't boot, told you |
| 17:30.15 | Flimzy | rpc: Install one. |
| 17:30.26 | jelly-home | rpc: so build one |
| 17:30.26 | Flimzy | rpc: Why wouldn't it boot? |
| 17:30.29 | rpc | i hate to play with kernel too much as that's a remote box |
| 17:30.45 | jelly-home | rpc: ah, you have no console access? |
| 17:30.49 | Flimzy | rpc: You don't have physical access? |
| 17:31.04 | rpc | jelly-home not sure about console, never tried it, i can only do a full reinstall i believe |
| 17:31.06 | Flimzy | rpc: are you using an official Debian kernel/ |
| 17:31.13 | Flimzy | ? |
| 17:31.23 | rpc | Flimzy i used to before and same effect (it was 2.6.18-3-k7) |
| 17:31.34 | Flimzy | rpc: So you're using a custom kernel now/ |
| 17:31.35 | Flimzy | ? |
| 17:31.47 | rpc | Flimzy i tried some experimental from: |
| 17:31.49 | Azar | rpc confess all the details |
| 17:31.52 | jelly-home | Flimzy: ya, from a 3rd party repo |
| 17:31.55 | rpc | [18:08:04] <rpc> deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ sid main |
| 17:31.56 | rpc | [18:08:05] <rpc> deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main |
| 17:32.04 | rpc | but same with stock 2.6.18, nothing changes |
| 17:32.08 | Flimzy | rpc: You're using experimental kernels when you're afraid it won't be bootable?! WTF? |
| 17:32.11 | rpc | iwas hoping that 2.6.20-1 would help |
| 17:32.22 | bzed | rpc: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-net you could search there for your problem before posting somehitng |
| 17:32.27 | Flimzy | rpc: You just convinced me you have *no* excuse not to try a non-SMP kernel. |
| 17:32.27 | rpc | i was desperate, Flimzy. |
| 17:32.35 | rpc | i spent 2 weeks on this problem |
| 17:32.39 | rpc | hm |
| 17:32.49 | rpc | bzed thank you, will try |
| 17:33.13 | rpc | perhaps the problem is described somewhere there, even if i tried so damn many times to google out something |
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| 17:34.48 | jelly-home | rpc: you could try asking the folks at buildserver.net to build you a UP kernel if you're afraid of being unable to boot |
| 17:34.52 | rpc | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-net&m=108222364500676&w=2 |
| 17:34.58 | rpc | just see how the reply... it's scary |
| 17:35.04 | rpc | i suspect they will do the same to me |
| 17:35.16 | Slyboots | There seems to be quite a few dire warnings about things going all wrong |
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| 17:35.49 | jelly-home | rpc: err.. exactly what is scary in "try this version here"? |
| 17:35.51 | rpc | O.K. That seems to work fine. I took 2.6.6-rc1-bk2 |
| 17:35.55 | rpc | should i try that? |
| 17:36.10 | deny[all] | hi, how can I check If a NIC it's working a Gigabit? |
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| 17:36.19 | freetos | is 64 studio 1.0 based on sarge? |
| 17:36.21 | rpc | guy has AMD64 and his 8169 freezes, he says 2.6.6-rc1-bk2 helped... |
| 17:36.38 | rpc | but how the hell do i use an rc kernel on a box but is meant to be stable... |
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| 17:36.45 | jelly-home | rpc: dude, 2.6.6 is 2-3 years old |
| 17:36.45 | rpc | that* |
| 17:36.47 | dfgh | I removed and installed every mysql package with apt to reset the databases (after I screwed up some native tables). But now, every DB and table are the same as they were. Any ideas? |
| 17:36.53 | rpc | err wait |
| 17:36.56 | rpc | ok i got confused |
| 17:37.16 | rpc | that's 2004 msg lol |
| 17:37.32 | jelly-home | rpc: don't try kernel versions at random or you're really going to end up with an unbootable machine |
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| 17:37.49 | rpc | anyway nothing in there then... just 2 messages on linux-net |
| 17:37.55 | Slyboots | Anyone here any usful guides on booting Debian on a G4 ibook (PPC) |
| 17:38.02 | rpc | right, jelly-home |
| 17:38.05 | jelly-home | rpc: so send a third one. |
| 17:38.14 | rpc | and Jeff will shoot me |
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| 17:38.27 | jelly-home | rpc: I don't get it. |
| 17:38.33 | rpc | i don't even know how to explain the problem exactly, they will kill for sure |
| 17:38.43 | rpc | telling me to replace mobo and other shit |
| 17:38.47 | jelly-home | rpc: you haven't even tried |
| 17:38.50 | rpc | i don't believe someone will take it seriously |
| 17:39.02 | rpc | as it looks like a hw issue to most people, even here |
| 17:39.14 | jelly-home | rpc: I can take you seriously for $75 an hour, if you want serious. |
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| 17:39.33 | rpc | jelly-home no comments on that |
| 17:39.45 | rpc | if i wanted a payed support i can have it at once |
| 17:40.05 | rpc | or i can just but another box |
| 17:40.09 | rpc | buy* |
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| 17:40.13 | Azar | jelly-home: thats less than a handyman unclogging a toilet would take |
| 17:40.15 | jelly-home | rpc: well, if your 2 weeks spent are worth less than $75/hr, be my guest :-) |
| 17:40.20 | rpc | lol Azar |
| 17:40.36 | jelly-home | Azar: yes, I know it's cheap. |
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| 17:40.48 | dromer | how can I go back to firefox 1.5 ? |
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| 17:40.58 | Azar | rpc, good offer there , grab it |
| 17:41.05 | rpc | jelly-home dude, for half of that i can have remote hands that will install a full blown intel gbit nic for me in an hour, that's not the point |
| 17:41.21 | rpc | i just want to solve the damn puzzle as i like to solve puzzles |
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| 17:41.53 | Azar | rpc, you got tons of free advices why don't grab and use them? |
| 17:41.56 | jelly-home | rpc: well, you a) have already wasted a lot of time and b) you're afraid to ask the people who are in the know |
| 17:41.57 | rpc | it must be something ass silly |
| 17:42.15 | rpc | Azar none of them differ from "post to linux-net" or "change the damn nic" |
| 17:42.31 | jelly-home | rpc: BECAUSE THAT IS THE CORRECT ANSWER. |
| 17:42.37 | rpc | jelly-home i had no idea that i wasted your precious time, sorry, won't happen again. |
| 17:42.41 | freetos | what's the update notification wizard name in gnome debian |
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| 17:42.49 | lesshaste | is there some way to set the default printer options in gv? |
| 17:43.02 | jelly-home | rpc: you haven't wasted it, I donated it willingly. :-) |
| 17:43.05 | rpc | jelly-home i can setup a bot that will tell people "post to..." about ANY damn problem |
| 17:43.12 | Azar | rpc: then explore on your own, maybe you come out with some new ideas |
| 17:43.18 | rpc | as everything has it's list to post to, what's the point of irc then? |
| 17:43.29 | jelly-home | rpc: this is not any damn problem, but it seems to be the right answer for _your_ problem. |
| 17:43.35 | rpc | Azar that's what i'm doing |
| 17:43.59 | rpc | jelly-home ever thought it's not the damn nic at all? could be chipset or i/o prob |
| 17:44.07 | rpc | and you keep forcing me to think it's nic itself |
| 17:44.15 | Azar | rpc: no need to get high on and about the irc replies to your question, you got an opinion, now you can move on |
| 17:44.26 | rpc | just think, i would expect someone to think some more at 75/h |
| 17:44.37 | jelly-home | rpc: if could be, but you can guess all day what's the cause if you don't ask the driver developers to help you |
| 17:44.37 | rpc | Azar that's just one opinion and one person |
| 17:44.47 | Azar | rpc the right pricing would be 250/h |
| 17:44.57 | rpc | Azar he tried his best, no reason to get high, he can just quit instead of all the bull |
| 17:45.29 | jelly-home | nah, I'm just puzzled by your unwillingness to send a mail to a list |
| 17:45.29 | RvGaTe | How can i make sure a module is loaded ? |
| 17:45.38 | Azar | ... but given the fact that you got assisted for free.... let's stop the bs |
| 17:45.40 | rpc | jelly-home dude, you still don't get it... i doubt it's a driver at all... so why bother them? |
| 17:45.47 | kelsin | RvGaTe: lsmod |
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| 17:46.18 | jelly-home | rpc: because: it can be done in parallel with exploring other possibilities, can't hurt, and might be helpful. |
| 17:46.20 | rpc | jelly-home i don't even know how to describe the problem properly for that list, i will make an idiot out of myself probably, and i won't post then |
| 17:46.37 | rpc | it looks like a very random thing and could be related to ANYTHING, not just nic or driver for it |
| 17:46.51 | RvGaTe | kelsin, thx for the quick answer |
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| 17:46.57 | kelsin | RvGaTe: np |
| 17:47.17 | jelly-home | rpc: ignorance is not a crime. Based on what you've explained today, if I had that problem I'd ask them. |
| 17:47.23 | Azar | rpc at this point if I were you I would google for forums that discuss your issue... see what other people experienced and did |
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| 17:48.20 | rahul | I got a crush for the freaky one, and nothing feels better than machine gun go go. |
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| 17:48.20 | rahul | She is the only one, and she loves that machine gun go go. |
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| 17:48.33 | jelly-home | Azar: pizza |
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| 17:48.46 | RvGaTe | rahul, what you on about ? |
| 17:48.47 | yoholla | DEBIAN RULES :-) |
| 17:48.48 | Azar | jelly-home: eww no, |
| 17:48.56 | jelly-home | Azar: 3.14 |
| 17:48.56 | yoholla | i'm very happy i finally got on debian, i've just got one question |
| 17:48.57 | dustybin | Debra + Ian Rule! |
| 17:48.59 | rahul | RvGaTe: something |
| 17:49.02 | Azar | :) |
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| 17:49.18 | RvGaTe | yoholla, tell us something we dont know... :P |
| 17:49.18 | Azar | hello mister RvGaTe |
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| 17:49.23 | yoholla | when i download stuff, for example i tried downloading AIM..it's downloading it in ascii instead of binary..or something..messing it up |
| 17:49.28 | RvGaTe | Azar, hello... |
| 17:49.30 | yoholla | any idea how to make it autodetect download? |
| 17:49.41 | yoholla | or how to tell konquerer or wget to download in other modes |
| 17:49.55 | yoholla | or is it simply AIMs release for debian is no good |
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| 17:50.02 | yoholla | when i try to install the deb file it gives me problems |
| 17:50.13 | dustybin | i wonder if anyone is working on a Debian Etch book / guide |
| 17:50.41 | yoholla | i love apt-get, sooo easy to install php extensions |
| 17:50.53 | yoholla | apt-get install php5-gd is a life saver :-p |
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| 17:51.00 | yoholla | and so on.. |
| 17:51.07 | yoholla | anybody have any help with my problem with downloads? |
| 17:51.14 | scv | who runs php now? |
| 17:51.19 | sohmestra | dustybin: http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian |
| 17:51.26 | peterrus | Damn, what shit is this :/ I got kicked for being idle? |
| 17:51.27 | yoholla | scv: huh? |
| 17:51.33 | RvGaTe | scv, just ask your question |
| 17:51.39 | scv | ok |
| 17:51.42 | yoholla | scv i run php..heh |
| 17:51.45 | stew | peterrus: from #debian-overflow? |
| 17:51.51 | peterrus | ah wait |
| 17:51.53 | peterrus | I see |
| 17:51.58 | stew | peterrus: debhelper kicks people from -overflow after 5 minutes |
| 17:52.04 | peterrus | but why am I kicked anyway from #debian? |
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| 17:52.10 | freetos | will etch final support ipv4 out of the box? |
| 17:52.17 | stew | 12:48 -!- peterrus [n=peterrus@cable-193-167.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Connection timed out] |
| 17:52.21 | peterrus | I mean, why was I in there anyway |
| 17:52.27 | peterrus | Stew, strange :/ |
| 17:52.28 | yoholla | scv, do you have a question about php? |
| 17:52.34 | JordiGH | freetos: Uh, you mean ipv6/ |
| 17:52.35 | JordiGH | ? |
| 17:52.35 | scv | yes |
| 17:52.37 | dustybin | sohmestra: ive seen that book before, i was wondering if somone would be creating a updated etch book |
| 17:52.39 | peterrus | well, never mind then (._.) |
| 17:52.40 | yoholla | scv, what's up? |
| 17:52.45 | freetos | it's kind of frustrating being able to do a network install, only to not have your networking work |
| 17:52.48 | scv | when is php dead? |
| 17:52.51 | stew | peterrus: you timed out, when you rejoined, you happened to catch #debian when it was over its periodic join quota so you got redirected to -overflow |
| 17:52.52 | yoholla | i just got php up and running 5 minutes ago..heh |
| 17:52.56 | yoholla | scv, what do you mean dead? |
| 17:53.06 | peterrus | stew, ah, I see |
| 17:53.08 | freetos | JordiGH, no i mean ipv4 |
| 17:53.34 | JordiGH | freetos: Yeah, why wouldn't etch support the internet protocol all the internet is currently using? |
| 17:53.36 | dkr | freetos: only for over a decade or so |
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| 17:54.01 | freetos | keyword out of the box |
| 17:54.13 | [abhishek]_ | !downloadw32 codecs |
| 17:54.15 | yoholla | scv, do you have any serious question concerning PHP? lol |
| 17:54.18 | [abhishek]_ | !download w32 codecs |
| 17:55.13 | dkr | ipv4 had to work for you to do a netinst |
| 17:55.13 | yoholla | can anybody help me with downloading problems? is there a way to specify whether to download binary/acsii? |
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| 17:55.13 | dkr | yoholla: for ftp, yeah |
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| 17:55.15 | JordiGH | freetos: Uh, the internet protocol will be there, sure. You may need to properly install your network card drivers and stuff. What an odd question. Why are you asking if Debian fulfills the bare minimum net protocol out of the box? |
| 17:55.16 | dkr | yoholla: or you can just use a client smart enough to get it right, e.g. ncftp |
| 17:55.17 | freetos | after giving up on internet connectivity with etch, i installed 64studio and now have a debian system |
| 17:56.00 | x_link | !debrophan |
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| 17:56.41 | yoholla | sorry accidentally d/c, anybody help with binary/ascii downloading? |
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| 17:56.51 | freetos | JordiGH, my isp uses ipv4 and etch-testing uses ipv6 |
| 17:56.58 | dkr | yoholla: for ftp, yeah |
| 17:57.00 | dkr | yoholla: or you can just use a client smart enough to get it right, e.g. ncftp |
| 17:57.08 | x_link | Is there not a program called "debrophan" ? |
| 17:57.10 | yoholla | dkr: no not ftp, http |
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| 17:57.13 | x_link | How is it spelled? |
| 17:57.17 | stew | x_link: deborphan |
| 17:57.20 | freetos | i couldn't get a working internet connection with testing |
| 17:57.24 | x_link | stew: Thanks |
| 17:57.26 | dkr | yoholla: then no, there is no difference |
| 17:57.28 | x_link | !deborphan |
| 17:57.28 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 17:57.36 | freetos | but i could for the install |
| 17:57.39 | yoholla | dkr: i downloaded deb realease from aim.com, and when i go to dpkg i get a structure error..saying that it probably downloaded in ascii instead of binary |
| 17:57.44 | JordiGH | freetos: Wtf, etch uses ipv4 just like the rest of the world. ipv6 is there, but it shouldn't be the default. |
| 17:57.50 | folp | Can I ask a little OT question about a german sentence? |
| 17:58.01 | k8to | ipv6 and ipv4 are not exclusive |
| 17:58.15 | yoholla | dkr: then you think it's just AIM with a screwy release? |
| 17:58.38 | dkr | yoholla: uhm, why aren't you just using aptitude install gaim? |
| 17:58.44 | stew | yoholla: is there some reason you want AIM instead of something already packaged for debian, such as gaim ? |
| 17:58.45 | jelly-home | folp: jaa! (that's about all I know though) |
| 17:59.10 | yoholla | when i use kopete to connect to AIM i get kicked immediatly after loading buddy list..is this AOL doing this? |
| 17:59.18 | yoholla | Anybody else use kopete for AIM with success? |
| 17:59.24 | folp | jelly-home: maybe you can help me with this :) |
| 17:59.27 | stew | yoholla: checked the bts for kopete? |
| 17:59.29 | folp | "den Hut in den Ring werfen" |
| 17:59.39 | yoholla | stew: huh? |
| 17:59.51 | JordiGH | yoholla: I do, and I do not see the same problem you are seeing. |
| 17:59.59 | stew | dpkg: tell yoholla about bts |
| 18:00.06 | JordiGH | yoholla: apt-cache policy kopete |
| 18:00.12 | JordiGH | yoholla: What does that say? |
| 18:00.17 | yoholla | one sec |
| 18:00.21 | folp | I think it is a proverb or something |
| 18:00.41 | yoholla | 4:3.3.2 |
| 18:00.50 | yoholla | jordiGH: am i looking for something in particular? |
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| 18:01.09 | jelly-home | <CPC6128gu> to throw the hat into the ring, I guess that is the german version of to throw the towel into the ring |
| 18:01.27 | JordiGH | yoholla: I have a slightly newer Kopete. 3.5.5 |
| 18:01.38 | JordiGH | yoholla: I'm not sure if upgrading is an option. :-/ |
| 18:01.50 | yoholla | apt-get install kopete just says its already installed |
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| 18:02.10 | JordiGH | yoholla: You're using sarge, I take it. |
| 18:02.14 | folp | jelly-home: cool, thanks! |
| 18:02.15 | yoholla | i've just downloaded debian r5 ..how could I have outdated software? heh |
| 18:02.24 | yoholla | jordi: yeah |
| 18:02.30 | yoholla | i believe so |
| 18:02.35 | JordiGH | yoholla: Yo mamma is so old, she's in Debian stable! |
| 18:02.42 | VImtermute | brb |
| 18:02.43 | jelly-home | lolz |
| 18:02.48 | yoholla | jordi: hah? lol |
| 18:02.58 | stew | yoholla: becuase debian 3.1 was released almost 2 years ago |
| 18:03.03 | yoholla | dayam.. |
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| 18:03.11 | yoholla | well..what's the deal then? |
| 18:03.13 | Azar | August 2005 |
| 18:03.17 | yoholla | you said I've got sarge, what do you have? |
| 18:03.31 | bzed | !tell yoholla about stable |
| 18:03.34 | bzed | !tell yoholla about testing |
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| 18:03.45 | Azar | hey I use sarge and I don't care if is old |
| 18:03.50 | jelly-home | cmdKeen: if you did that, someone would !tell cmdKeen about wwer |
| 18:04.04 | k8to | old is great if it does what you need |
| 18:04.05 | yoholla | oh gotcha.. |
| 18:04.16 | yoholla | yes, debians running good..i like |
| 18:04.18 | cmdKeen | jelly-home, thanks, I can now do it myself ! |
| 18:04.20 | JordiGH | yoholla: I use a mixed testing/unstable system. Testing is what I would recommend if security and stability are not the highest priority (and they have to be pretty high priority, such as a webhead or a server for me). |
| 18:04.21 | yoholla | i feel better with stable..haha |
| 18:04.21 | cmdKeen | !tell cmdKeen about wwer |
| 18:04.25 | jelly-home | hehe |
| 18:04.31 | jelly-home | !tell cmdKeen about selftell |
| 18:04.32 | yoholla | anbydoy have a sugesstion about kopete then? |
| 18:04.39 | k8to | 1 - does what you need, 2 - works |
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| 18:04.42 | k8to | nice features |
| 18:04.51 | bzed | yoholla: use gaim :D |
| 18:04.59 | dkr | yoholla: just us gaim if you can't ge tkopete to work for you |
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| 18:05.11 | yoholla | okay..i was just wondering if there was just a config..if it helps hte message im getting when booted says: |
| 18:05.12 | Azar | yoholla: people run for etch because either they have newer hardware that the sarge kernel does not handle, or for gadgets not included with sarge |
| 18:05.21 | yoholla | disconnected for exceeding the rate limit |
| 18:05.28 | Azar | :) |
| 18:05.29 | yoholla | wait 10 minutes before reconnecting |
| 18:05.39 | bzed | yoholla: aaah |
| 18:05.39 | Azar | yoholla: your isp is a cheapo |
| 18:05.42 | nuxien | hello |
| 18:05.43 | bzed | no |
| 18:05.46 | yoholla | ..haha what you mean |
| 18:05.49 | yoholla | comcast |
| 18:05.53 | bzed | yoholla: you're trying to use icq? |
| 18:05.59 | yoholla | ..no, aim |
| 18:06.02 | bzed | same |
| 18:06.06 | bzed | the protocol has changed |
| 18:06.13 | bzed | you can;t connect with such an old version |
| 18:06.17 | nuxien | i just install etch ith netinstall and use command of dpkg bot but i have an error gpg |
| 18:06.17 | yoholla | so in other words |
| 18:06.20 | yoholla | kopete can eat shiot |
| 18:06.22 | bzed | that's why it reconnects so often |
| 18:06.23 | yoholla | and i'll get gaim |
| 18:06.23 | yoholla | haha |
| 18:06.25 | bzed | no |
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| 18:06.30 | bzed | won;t help you yogurt2ungue |
| 18:06.31 | Azar | nuxien: see topic |
| 18:06.38 | bzed | err yoholla |
| 18:06.42 | cmdKeen | yep, I had stable and was downloading cool new things from etch... and now I have testing system and download cool new things from unstable/experimental :] |
| 18:06.43 | yoholla | bzed: whats the last thing u said |
| 18:06.47 | bzed | yoholla: won;t help you |
| 18:06.51 | nuxien | Azar, i use command on dpkg bot but no result |
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| 18:07.04 | yoholla | gaim will give me same results? |
| 18:07.17 | Phil2 | hey guys |
| 18:07.18 | bzed | yoholla: the change in the protocol was a fgew months ago, you'll need a recent version |
| 18:07.37 | yoholla | recent version of kopete? |
| 18:07.48 | Azar | nuxien: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 18:07.56 | bzed | !tell yoholla about bpo |
| 18:08.13 | bzed | yoholla: look at backports.org as dpkg told you, they have a recent gaim version for sarge |
| 18:08.14 | nuxien | Azar, i already use this command AND use the command dpkg tell me |
| 18:08.17 | nuxien | but no relust |
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| 18:08.44 | yoholla | bzed: much appreciated |
| 18:08.57 | yoholla | i can just add line to sources.list and do apt-get install gaim? |
| 18:08.59 | Phil2 | I was told about backport.org's stuff yesterday, so I added it to my sources.list and all the packages are listed fine in an apt-cache search, however, on trying to install lighttpd it says: "lighttpd: Depends: lsb-base (>= 3.0-3) but 2.0-7 is to be installed". I see that backports.org has version 3.1 of lsb-base. How do I make it use the backports repo in prority to the others? |
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| 18:09.04 | bzed | yoholla: if you don;t need plugins and you're too lazy to edit your sources.list just get the right .deb from here: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim/ |
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| 18:09.11 | Azar | nuxien: even on "etch key" ? |
| 18:09.16 | s0cke | hi guys! i have a problem with my debian sarge: everytime i try to install something with aptitude install it tries to remove my running kernel. seems i mixed something up. i think is has something todo with libc6/initrd-tools etc. any ideas? |
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| 18:09.32 | bzed | Phil2: apt-get -t sarge-backports install package (if I remember right) |
| 18:09.33 | yoholla | bzed: thanks, but i'm gonna update my sources |
| 18:09.35 | yoholla | no biggy |
| 18:09.42 | yoholla | yeah thats what dpkg said..thanks |
| 18:09.42 | Phil2 | ok, ty |
| 18:09.43 | stew | s0cke: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:09.54 | s0cke | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 18:09.56 | stew | s0cke: and what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 18:10.08 | stew | s0cke: actually for Candidate: and Installed: |
| 18:10.11 | bzed | yoholla: apt-get -t sarge-backports install gaim then; after the apt-get update |
| 18:10.17 | Phil2 | that got it, thanks bzed |
| 18:10.20 | s0cke | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.20 | s0cke | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.28 | bzed | np Phil2 |
| 18:10.35 | [abhishek] | ghost [abhishek]_ |
| 18:11.01 | stew | s0cke: you are running testing or unstable, neither of which support your 2.4 kernel, you should upgrade to a current 2.6 kernel: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 18:11.01 | nuxien | Azar, yes and i use the command who dpkg bot tell me, but my problem is not resolved |
| 18:11.13 | yoholla | bzed: gaim is installing :-) |
| 18:11.34 | yoholla | where does gaim install to, any idea? |
| 18:11.45 | yoholla | nvm i just used gaim command.. |
| 18:11.47 | stew | yoholla: "dpkg -L packagename' |
| 18:11.50 | yoholla | kk |
| 18:11.52 | yoholla | thanks |
| 18:12.02 | s0cke | and is there a possibility to run the stable version and not to upgrade to 2.6? |
| 18:12.12 | bzed | yoholla: /usr/bin/gaim ? |
| 18:12.20 | bzed | yoholla: just run gaim ;) |
| 18:12.21 | Azar | nuxien: might be with your /sources.list ? |
| 18:12.32 | yoholla | nice..works perfectly :-) |
| 18:12.39 | yoholla | bzed: yes i just ended up using gaim haha |
| 18:12.48 | Azar | nuxien: can you put on a pastebin the content of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:12.53 | yoholla | was just wondering if shortcut would auto show up or not..it works though you're awesome thanks |
| 18:12.58 | stew | s0cke: not without reinstalling (you can't downgrade to stable now that you have "upgraded" to testing/unstable) |
| 18:13.13 | bzed | yoholla: yeah it will show up in the menu somewhere... I just have no clue where |
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| 18:13.30 | bzed | yoholla: i don;t use the menu |
| 18:13.33 | k8to | downgrading is le hard |
| 18:13.45 | nuxien | Azar, it was ftp.fr.debian.org/debian-amd64/ but i change at this moment to ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ |
| 18:13.45 | k8to | making it automatic would be full of pain |
| 18:13.48 | k8to | so it doesn't exist |
| 18:14.06 | jelly-home | it's also impossible in general |
| 18:14.08 | blenna_unix | what is a good app that can download NZBs and unrar the files for you? |
| 18:14.25 | Azar | nuxien: ok then try again |
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| 18:15.03 | bzed | blenna_unix: what's a NZB!? |
| 18:15.11 | s0cke | stew: hm.. thats not good. this all started when i tried to install rtorrent and had to change stable to unstable in the sources.list. but the installation failed and i changed it back. but it seems something is going wrong here. are there any cons when i upgrade to 2.6? |
| 18:15.13 | bzed | blenna_unix: to unrar files: unrar |
| 18:15.28 | jelly-home | New Zealand Boys? |
| 18:15.36 | bzed | blenna_unix: or rar x ..... |
| 18:15.38 | nuxien | Azar, my problem is not resolved |
| 18:15.52 | bzed | jelly-home: that sounds like from the other side of the river |
| 18:15.57 | blenna_unix | i want to download files from newsgroups and have it unrar automatclly |
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| 18:16.34 | ChaosR | argg, why does the etch net-inst freeze at select and install with 5%? |
| 18:16.36 | nuxien | Azar, my source.list is ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 18:16.41 | stew | s0cke: yeah, you shouldn't try to install unstable package directly onto stable: /msg dpkg backports ; upgrading to 2.6 is for the most part safe. is your / partition on sata? |
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| 18:17.00 | ChaosR | !etch net install |
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| 18:17.40 | nuxien | !etch net install |
| 18:17.42 | stew | ChaosR: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 18:17.44 | s0cke | no, it's ide |
| 18:17.46 | Azar | nuxien: if dpkg can't help I am not aware of any recent changes to the pgp key... |
| 18:17.50 | stew | !5% error |
| 18:17.50 | dpkg | 5% error is, like, d-i stopping at 5%? boot the installer with `boot debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like, or or use a daily build etch installer where this problem has been fixed |
| 18:18.08 | stew | ChaosR: this is a known problem with RC1 installers, use this workaround ^^^ or a daily image |
| 18:18.18 | Azar | !etch key |
| 18:18.18 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 18:18.56 | ChaosR | stew: I have 10 cds with etch on it, I almost think i can better download the whole thing :D |
| 18:19.11 | s0cke | stew: are there problems with sata and kernel 2.6? |
| 18:19.26 | ChaosR | how do you get into the shell while installing? |
| 18:19.31 | hansgnu | hi! I have some problems to set up my wlan |
| 18:19.41 | stew | s0cke: only that device names change in 2.4 to 2.6 for sata which causes upgrades to 2.6 more problematic. if you don't have sata, its not a concern |
| 18:19.44 | hansgnu | so .. i found this http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebianEtch#Install_the_Ndiswrapper_packages_from_the_Debian_distribution |
| 18:19.49 | stew | ChaosR: alt-f2 |
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| 18:20.19 | bzed | !tell hansgnu about ask |
| 18:20.22 | busfahrer | Excuse me, how do you update from stable to testing? |
| 18:20.33 | bzed | !tell busfahrer about sarge->etch |
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| 18:20.36 | hansgnu | my wireless isn`t set as a wireless as usual |
| 18:20.36 | Azar | busfahrer: read the release notes |
| 18:20.38 | busfahrer | bzed: thanks |
| 18:20.40 | bzed | np |
| 18:20.48 | hansgnu | what can I do ? |
| 18:21.01 | Azar | busfahrer: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 18:21.04 | bzed | hansgnu: which kind of wireless do you have? |
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| 18:21.42 | ChaosR | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso <- is this one ok to download? |
| 18:21.44 | hansgnu | it`s in my laptop |
| 18:21.48 | hansgnu | it`s a intel |
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| 18:22.39 | bzed | hansgnu: an ipw2100? |
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| 18:22.52 | hansgnu | just a sec |
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| 18:23.51 | bzed | hansgnu: lspci will help you probably |
| 18:24.02 | hansgnu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.06 | jelly-home | hmm. |
| 18:24.08 | bzed | hansgnu: and are you using sarge/etch/sid/testing/.... |
| 18:24.13 | x_link | I really can't find any program that shows the right temp, memory usage etc. |
| 18:24.13 | hansgnu | etch |
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| 18:24.42 | x_link | I just got gkrellm, it shows that I have 831MB free RAM, that not right. I just have ~200MB Free when I do free -m. |
| 18:24.55 | busfahrer | is there nothing on security.debian.org for etch? |
| 18:25.07 | x_link | mbmon shows that my CPU temp is 31-34C, but BIOS says 37-39C. |
| 18:25.10 | jetscreamer | buffers+mem |
| 18:25.12 | dkr | x_link: it's subtracting cached/buffered |
| 18:25.12 | x_link | So I really don't know what to trust. |
| 18:25.21 | x_link | ok |
| 18:25.24 | bzed | hansgnu: what says uname -r ? |
| 18:25.30 | dkr | look at free output more carefully |
| 18:25.31 | jelly-home | I have fscked an ext3 partition once, and there was a small number of errors. While fscking it again right after, just for the fun of it, some new errors appear. Memory problems? |
| 18:25.37 | k8to | x-spec-ting: linux has memory that's in use but trivially usable by apps, where to count this memory .. is open to interpretation |
| 18:25.42 | k8to | err x_link ^ |
| 18:26.00 | k8to | x_link: as for bios temp, the bios often busy-loops the cpu, making it hotter |
| 18:26.00 | hansgnu | bzed: Kernel 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 18:26.05 | kombi | question to you knowledgeable debian users and server admins, what is the server side method of choice when it comes to streaming video? |
| 18:26.13 | bzed | hansgnu: apt-get install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 |
| 18:26.23 | dkr | k8to: xchat has option to make nick tab complpetion sorted by order people last spoke. much mroe useful than alphabetical. ;) |
| 18:26.47 | k8to | dkr: if i'm not being stupid, then i am fine with irssi's behavior |
| 18:26.56 | x_link | k8to: So I can trust "mbmon"? |
| 18:27.04 | kombi | ..because I might have to soon and hate everything closed source.. |
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| 18:27.17 | k8to | x_link: i think so, though mbmon may be giving you chipset data, as opposed to cpu |
| 18:27.23 | dkr | core temp is usually the most reliable |
| 18:27.27 | x_link | k8to: And it's better to use "free -m" than look in gkrellm för the values |
| 18:27.46 | x_link | dkr: Where can I download that? |
| 18:27.51 | jetscreamer | mplayer streams doesn't it |
| 18:27.52 | k8to | x_link: i'm sure free and gkrellm are giving you the same numbers, look at the second line of free |
| 18:28.05 | hansgnu | bzed: Can I used just ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 ? |
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| 18:28.09 | kombi | jetscreamer: does it serve too? |
| 18:28.10 | dkr | x_link: it's not sofwtare it means a thermistor in the core of the cpu itself |
| 18:28.18 | x_link | dkr: ohhhh ok |
| 18:28.21 | x_link | k8to: |
| 18:28.22 | x_link | Temp.= 32.0, 25.0, 29.0; Rot.= 2896, 3534, 18750 |
| 18:28.22 | bzed | hansgnu: that wuestion makes no sense to me |
| 18:28.22 | x_link | Vcore = 1.33, 3.22; Volt. = 0.00, 4.84, 10.76, -0.00, -0.00 |
| 18:28.24 | nuxien | Azar, i find that http://ftp-master.debian.org/archive-key-4.0.asc i get this file and do a apt-key add |
| 18:28.28 | x_link | I get that when I do "mbmon" |
| 18:28.38 | bzed | hansgnu: did you execute what I told you? |
| 18:28.48 | jair | Hello guys... |
| 18:28.50 | bzed | hansgnu: apt-get install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 |
| 18:28.50 | hansgnu | bzed: because if I use that one that you gave ... i need to change my kernel |
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| 18:29.14 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=video+streaming&restrict=linux |
| 18:29.26 | bzed | hansgnu: most easiest way, though. probably you wanna upgrade anyway :) there's no package for older kernels |
| 18:29.33 | jetscreamer | ffmpeg streams? |
| 18:29.37 | jetscreamer | i didn't know that |
| 18:29.54 | kombi | groovy! |
| 18:29.59 | jetscreamer | ffmpeg kicks ass at encoding |
| 18:30.05 | ChaosR | boot debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true <- does not work (cannot find kernel boot), neither does -> debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true |
| 18:30.18 | kombi | that is the freshmeat one, right? |
| 18:30.18 | hansgnu | bzed: yes.. I need to upgrade anyway... |
| 18:30.21 | x_link | k8to: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9112/ |
| 18:30.26 | heh_v_water | vlc is a nice setup that streams and watches and has multi platform clients |
| 18:30.27 | x_link | If you have time you can take a look at that |
| 18:30.34 | x_link | !codec |
| 18:30.35 | bzed | hansgnu: you also want to install ipw3945d |
| 18:30.40 | jetscreamer | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/AV/video-streaming-servers.html |
| 18:30.41 | x_link | !codecs |
| 18:30.42 | hansgnu | bzed: I just got the DVD install last saturday,,, |
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| 18:30.55 | kombi | heh_v_water: interesting |
| 18:31.08 | hansgnu | bzed: for etch .. I used to use sarge |
| 18:31.10 | x_link | I need a codec for .wmv files |
| 18:31.19 | k8to | x_link: the second line of free is showing how much is "in use by applications" |
| 18:31.21 | bzed | hansgnu: sounds like you want to upgrade, definitely ;) |
| 18:31.23 | ChaosR | stew: what do try next? |
| 18:31.23 | kombi | x_link: those suck, don't they.. |
| 18:31.27 | hansgnu | bzed: no wireless.. hehe... new features in my machine now |
| 18:31.28 | jetscreamer | !tell x_link -about marillat |
| 18:31.30 | k8to | x_link: and how much is "available for applicatoins" |
| 18:31.56 | x_link | k8to: You mean the line under "total" Used Free Shared etc. |
| 18:31.57 | x_link | Right? |
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| 18:32.06 | jetscreamer | buffers+free=truefree |
| 18:32.10 | x_link | Not the -/+ buffers/cache |
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| 18:32.14 | jetscreamer | or was it buffers+cache |
| 18:32.19 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 18:32.25 | stew | ChaosR: try "linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true" not "boot..." |
| 18:32.30 | x_link | jetscreamer: Buffer/cache |
| 18:32.31 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 18:32.34 | k8to | x_link: the line labelled -/+ buffers/cache: |
| 18:32.50 | k8to | x_it's saying "if we ignore buffers/cache" |
| 18:32.58 | x_link | k8to: Well I don't have Labelled but okey |
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| 18:33.25 | k8to | x_link: the line labelled "-/+ buffers/cache" |
| 18:33.47 | x_link | k8to: So if I look at the url I just posted, Then 789 means that my applications are using 789MB RAM? |
| 18:33.52 | x_link | hh ok |
| 18:33.52 | hansgnu | bzed: I just got this used laptop some time ago... |
| 18:34.06 | k8to | x_link: you can see 789 is under "free" |
| 18:34.18 | hansgnu | bzed: but i did not have lot of time to download or to use it ... |
| 18:34.19 | k8to | x_link: so that means you have 789 megs available |
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| 18:34.54 | k8to | x_link: the point is linux uses all "unused" memory to cache disk access, so you should have almost nothing truly "unusued" at any time |
| 18:35.03 | r4ng3r | hi iv some problem with getmail |
| 18:35.26 | bzed | !tell r4ng3r about ask |
| 18:35.27 | x_link | k8to: So it's NOT the first line I should look at? |
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| 18:35.32 | x_link | Right under Free? |
| 18:35.36 | kombi | jetscreamer, heh_v_water: but what do you do when there are only windows clients in this aweful world |
| 18:35.36 | x_link | jetscreamer: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 18:35.41 | k8to | x_link: probably the first line is not interesting to you |
| 18:35.44 | k8to | x_link: agreed |
| 18:35.58 | k8to | x_link: it depends what you want to know! but.. probably you care about the second line |
| 18:35.58 | heh_v_water | kombi, vlc makes a win32 version |
| 18:36.03 | x_link | jetscreamer: Is that how the line should be in sources.list if I want to us the marlilatt repo? |
| 18:36.04 | kombi | cool! |
| 18:36.10 | x_link | kombi: Ok |
| 18:36.14 | x_link | opps |
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| 18:36.17 | x_link | k8to: Thanks! |
| 18:36.28 | x_link | buffer/cache = shows the FREE ram |
| 18:36.32 | h3sp4wn | x_link: It moved to debian-multimedia.org |
| 18:36.37 | r4ng3r | I have a problem with getmial; I'm running Debian version stable. when I try to do get mails with getmail I get the following output failed to parse retrieved message; constructing container for contents |
| 18:36.38 | r4ng3r | Configuration error: envelope_recipient specified header missing (X-Original-To:1) |
| 18:36.38 | x_link | h3sp4wn: ahh ok |
| 18:36.41 | k8to | x_link: that's why gkrellm uses those numbers |
| 18:36.46 | x_link | ok |
| 18:36.46 | heh_v_water | kombi, or the helix server, or shoutcasttv typ estuff |
| 18:36.58 | kombi | jetscreamer, heh_v_water: what if people only had (sic!) windows media player.. |
| 18:37.00 | r4ng3r | plz help me |
| 18:37.13 | kombi | r4ng3r: sure will! |
| 18:37.23 | hansgnu | bzed: thanks.... I will reboot to change the kernel |
| 18:37.25 | kombi | what with though? |
| 18:37.33 | bzed | kombi: lol look up :D |
| 18:37.34 | hansgnu | bzed: see you in minutes |
| 18:37.41 | bzed | hansgnu: good luck ;) |
| 18:37.44 | heh_v_water | kombi, then they are SOL I guess go read on the matter maybe |
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| 18:38.07 | r4ng3r | getmail works x days and somtimes i come some spam mail and get this fuck error |
| 18:38.37 | x_link | h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9113/ I use that multimedia repo right now. |
| 18:38.38 | r4ng3r | here are som information about the config http://nopaste.debianforum.de/5320 |
| 18:38.41 | kombi | heh_v_water: SOL = Single Overrated Lads? |
| 18:38.42 | jetscreamer | use a wmp supported codec |
| 18:38.43 | x_link | Is that the same? |
| 18:38.44 | r4ng3r | http://nopaste.debianforum.de/5319 |
| 18:38.45 | r4ng3r | http://nopaste.debianforum.de/5320 |
| 18:38.54 | bzed | r4ng3r: could you paste your getmailrc into a pastebin please? just make sure to remove all passwords and replace all interesting hostnames |
| 18:39.20 | kombi | jetscreamer: there is such a thing? I thought they support next to nothing.. |
| 18:39.53 | heh_v_water | kombi, you need to go read this is basically trolling at this point.. people have pointed out lots of options, google is your buddy |
| 18:40.14 | kombi | heh_v_water: point taken.. |
| 18:40.16 | jetscreamer | kombi: sure.. plus a lot of ppl have divx....xviddivx ...xvid... |
| 18:40.31 | jetscreamer | #mplaer |
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| 18:40.37 | jetscreamer | err #mplayer |
| 18:40.37 | bzed | r4ng3r: I can see where the problem is, but I'm not sure how to avoid it |
| 18:40.46 | kombi | got ya.. |
| 18:40.51 | r4ng3r | http://nopaste.debianforum.de/5321 |
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| 18:41.16 | x_link | k8to: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9114/ Could you take a look at that and tell me which multimedia repo of those I should use. |
| 18:41.26 | x_link | The ones I commented out or the other one that's right under it |
| 18:41.43 | jetscreamer | kombi: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/index.html |
| 18:42.26 | jair | I am trying to mount a drive with a filesystem NTFS on my debian server but I keep getting an error " $MFT or something like that " |
| 18:42.26 | k8to | x_link: it looks like you'rerunning testing |
| 18:42.27 | bzed | r4ng3r: envelope_recipient = delivered-to:1 << try this instead of the X-whatever-to line |
| 18:42.27 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 18:42.27 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 18:42.27 | r4ng3r | now on the webserver are some mails i cant receive. |
| 18:42.27 | r4ng3r | i can look at the mails (imap client) but i found no error |
| 18:42.33 | jair | I was mounting using the "mount -t vfat and also -t ntfs |
| 18:42.53 | k8to | x_link: i use deb http://debian-multimedia.fx-services.com testing main |
| 18:42.57 | jair | jetscreamer: that is for me |
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| 18:43.01 | jetscreamer | man mount search for fmask dmask and umask |
| 18:43.05 | jetscreamer | could be |
| 18:43.09 | k8to | x_link: use etch if you want to stay with etch |
| 18:43.09 | jetscreamer | !rwvfat |
| 18:43.10 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 18:43.19 | r4ng3r | delivered-to:1 i cant use this option because delivered-to is user@localhost |
| 18:43.21 | r4ng3r | see http://nopaste.debianforum.de/5320 |
| 18:43.47 | k8to | x_link: so the one you are using is fine |
| 18:43.47 | jair | jetscreamer: but the weird thing is that I could see the drive, I was running fdisk -l and it shows all the information etc, but it was a windows xp pro drive I wanted to recover files from. |
| 18:43.49 | bzed | r4ng3r: and you forware the other mails? |
| 18:43.55 | bzed | *forward |
| 18:44.00 | bzed | to the user@localhost account? |
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| 18:44.28 | bzed | seems that the spam goes directly to that account, that's why those mails don;t have this X-whatever flag |
| 18:44.33 | bzed | r4ng3r: ^& |
| 18:44.35 | jetscreamer | with default mount options only root can read ntfs.. and vfat too i think but not sure |
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| 18:44.43 | shawarma | I've just joined the pkg-utopia group on alioth, but I can't figure out where the svn root is? |
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| 18:45.08 | k8to | jetscreamer: i think mount of fat and friends makes the mounter the owner of all the files |
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| 18:45.13 | k8to | jetscreamer: by default |
| 18:45.19 | x_link | k8to: Ok, but how do I get the codec now then? |
| 18:45.21 | k8to | jetscreamer: which means root if mounted with root |
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| 18:45.46 | k8to | x_link: apt-get update; apt-get install <something> |
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| 18:46.10 | jair | jetscreamer: that is ok |
| 18:46.14 | x_link | Just one last question, then I will not ask anymore. Totem is the default player, I changed it to VLC. But still when I want to look at videos on sites Totem comes up. |
| 18:46.26 | x_link | k8to: I have done that 100 times with the repo that I already have. |
| 18:46.33 | jair | jetscreamer: let me check in google about the error $MFT |
| 18:46.46 | x_link | So maybe I should change to deb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main ? |
| 18:47.00 | x_link | k8to: Cause when I want to look at some videos it says that Totem doesn't support .wmv |
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| 18:47.17 | dkr | x_link: uninstall totem-mozilla and look for some similar vlc package |
| 18:47.21 | jetscreamer | you used update-alternatives to change the default? not sure that's what you need |
| 18:47.23 | k8to | does wmv still require w32codecs? |
| 18:47.27 | k8to | I don't know |
| 18:47.32 | jetscreamer | there is a vlc plugin for mozilla |
| 18:47.37 | dkr | I use mozilla-mplayer :) |
| 18:47.54 | jetscreamer | i have both |
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| 18:48.30 | dkr | why isn't the most popular/useful software the default? |
| 18:48.32 | r4ng3r | mhh what do you mean ? |
| 18:48.33 | r4ng3r | the web and mailserver (rootserver) catch the mails from two accounts and delivered to user@localhost |
| 18:48.35 | r4ng3r | my debian server at home fetch the mails from the rootserver and sort this mails to differnt folders |
| 18:48.36 | r4ng3r | i cant sort the mail with the option Delivered-To: option because the header is in all the mails the same |
| 18:48.38 | r4ng3r | the different is in X-Original-To: but some times it doesnt work why ever |
| 18:48.44 | x_link | dkr: apt-get remove --purge mozilla-player ? |
| 18:48.46 | dkr | e.g. epiphany vs iceweasel. totem vs mplayer |
| 18:48.54 | dkr | evolution vs icedove |
| 18:48.55 | x_link | dkr: Can't I use VLC ? |
| 18:49.11 | k8to | vi vs emacs! |
| 18:49.21 | dkr | no, totem-mozilla is the package that makes th eplugin for your browser |
| 18:49.46 | dkr | use aptitude search to look for a browser plugin for vlc |
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| 18:50.28 | r4ng3r | i can read the mails on the rootserver with vim i find no different on the new mails .... all the mails have the X-Original-To option at the same position |
| 18:50.49 | wide_awake | Hello. Anyone here manage to get Adaptec's StorMan app working in debian? |
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| 18:51.48 | x_link | dkr: Okey, I will do that. |
| 18:51.51 | bzed | r4ng3r: ok, then i have no more clue, sorry |
| 18:51.57 | x_link | dkr: Thanks alot for telling me this. |
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| 18:52.10 | esters | Hello , i'm having this issue when trying to open sensible-browser : http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5338/screenshotri8.png |
| 18:52.22 | x_link | dkr: p mozilla-plugin-vlc - multimedia plugin for web browsers b |
| 18:52.28 | x_link | That is what I want I guess then? |
| 18:52.34 | r4ng3r | an alternative solution with another tool ? |
| 18:52.36 | r4ng3r | getmail without multisorter ? |
| 18:52.39 | bzed | esters: don't run firefox-bin |
| 18:52.41 | dkr | x_link: looks good |
| 18:52.42 | k8to | x_link: looks good |
| 18:52.45 | bzed | esters: just run firefox |
| 18:52.47 | x_link | Thanks =) |
| 18:52.49 | dkr | k8to: jynx |
| 18:52.53 | k8to | dkr: you win |
| 18:53.01 | esters | well bzed it's default for sensible-browser -h |
| 18:53.06 | x_link | Feels good as hell =) |
| 18:53.25 | dkr | a bit warm? ;) |
| 18:53.29 | x_link | Should I remove the totem one now or what? |
| 18:53.41 | k8to | wide_awake: i am keeping my bad words for adaptec tools inside. |
| 18:53.49 | k8to | wide_awake: sorry i have no experience with that one |
| 18:53.53 | x_link | dkr: No, but it just feels good as hell to be able to do a LITTLE bit on my own. |
| 18:54.04 | bzed | esters: are you probably on ubuntu?> |
| 18:54.06 | x_link | dkr: What should I do about the totem-plugin then? |
| 18:54.08 | esters | bzed, Debian |
| 18:54.31 | dkr | x_link: I would remove it just to avoid any conflicts with multiple plugins for the same thing |
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| 18:54.45 | wide_awake | k8to, I don't like em either. |
| 18:54.53 | bzed | esters: hmm. try this as root: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 18:55.01 | k8to | multiple plugins == confusion over which gets used |
| 18:55.16 | x_link | dkr: Can I use apt-get remove --purge to remove it? |
| 18:55.18 | bzed | esters: and select icqweasel/firefox |
| 18:55.21 | esters | There is only 1 program which provides x-www-browser |
| 18:55.22 | esters | (/usr/bin/iceweasel). Nothing to configure. |
| 18:55.23 | r4ng3r | is maildrop an alternative ? |
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| 18:55.47 | k8to | wide_awake: curious how it's failing on you? |
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| 18:55.51 | bzed | esters: run iceweasel in a shell, does that work? |
| 18:55.53 | dkr | x_link: sure |
| 18:55.55 | k8to | wide_awake: messages, etc |
| 18:55.59 | x_link | dkr: Okey |
| 18:56.01 | esters | bzed, works |
| 18:56.05 | esters | but it doesn't work |
| 18:56.09 | wide_awake | k8to, they provide the app as an RPM package |
| 18:56.12 | wide_awake | which appears to be broken |
| 18:56.13 | esters | with the soundconverter |
| 18:56.15 | bzed | esters: run sensible-browser in a shell, does that work, too? |
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| 18:56.18 | k8to | wide_awake: buh |
| 18:56.32 | esters | bzed, runs |
| 18:56.46 | esters | but when cliking the "Read how to install" |
| 18:56.51 | esters | as you see in the screenshot |
| 18:56.56 | wide_awake | k8to, tried to run alien on it, but it barfs when finding that the rpm specifies arch. as i386, even though it's supposed to be for amd64 |
| 18:56.56 | esters | it still provides error |
| 18:57.00 | k8to | wide_awake: i question the value of a closed source raid driver + manager in an unsupported configuration |
| 18:57.16 | x_link | dkr: Hrm... apt-get remove --purhe mozilla-plugin-totem didn't find the package. So I tried with apt-cache search mozilla-plugin didn't find it either |
| 18:57.18 | k8to | wide_awake: it might install on an amd64 redhat |
| 18:57.22 | wide_awake | you can download the source for the driver. I'm just trying to run their mgr app |
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| 18:57.43 | bzed | esters: what are you trying to do there? and it looks liek you want to tell gnome that the browser's name is not firefox but iceweasel |
| 18:57.52 | k8to | wide_awake: i bet it IS an i386 binary |
| 18:57.53 | esters | bzed, exacly |
| 18:58.17 | wide_awake | probably. |
| 18:58.17 | dkr | x_link: it's called totem-mozilla |
| 18:58.18 | wide_awake | :-/ |
| 18:58.21 | bzed | esters: you shoul dbe able to change your preferred browser there |
| 18:58.25 | r4ng3r | i need an other option to sort mails plz help me |
| 18:58.30 | bzed | esters: and what did you want to install? |
| 18:58.30 | x_link | dkr: Ohh found it now...apt-cache search mozilla found totem-mozilla |
| 18:58.31 | r4ng3r | getmail and then ? |
| 18:58.40 | x_link | dkr: Yeah =) |
| 18:58.40 | jair | guys there is any Linux tool that will boot and try to repair or recover files from an NTFS corrupted FS? also it is one to recover Reiserfs or EXT2 or 3? bootable? |
| 18:58.41 | esters | bzed, mp3 plugin |
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| 18:58.45 | esters | to use SoundConverter |
| 18:58.49 | k8to | wide_awake: i'd be tempted to just cpio it open |
| 18:58.54 | esters | and i'm using XFCE atm |
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| 18:59.06 | wide_awake | I used alien to open it up, that seems to work fine. |
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| 18:59.13 | bzed | esters: ah ok, sorry then I'm out of order :) I know nada about that |
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| 18:59.24 | esters | bzed, thanks anyway :) |
| 18:59.37 | yan | howdy |
| 18:59.41 | pilgrim | Does linux store latitude and longitude of locations around the world, by any chance? I'm asking since it might somehow be related to timezones and DST. Anyone know? |
| 18:59.56 | x_link | dkr: Thanks alot for all help =) |
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| 19:00.04 | x_link | I really appreicate it alot man. Thanks! |
| 19:00.07 | yan | i'm working on a web frontend to apt-get...i was wondering if anyone knows how i might be able to use apt to get a changelog of the new version about to be downloaded...so i can display the latest change similar to how ubuntu update manager does it |
| 19:00.08 | rahul | pilgrim: lat and long has nothing to do with tz and dst, in any reasonable way |
| 19:00.10 | abrotman | pilgrim: that's usually a GIS database AFAIK |
| 19:00.12 | x_link | k8to: You too, thanks alot! |
| 19:00.20 | k8to | pilgrim: i don't know of such a database offhand, i will try apt-cache search, so can you! |
| 19:00.24 | bzed | pilgrim: you mean hwo to figure out a timezone depending on lon/lat? |
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| 19:00.28 | rahul | yeah, you need something rather powerful to keep track of zone info based on geography |
| 19:00.45 | abrotman | pilgrim: check freshmeat .. IIRC there's one there |
| 19:00.54 | rahul | the geometry of time zones is VERY complex |
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| 19:01.00 | pilgrim | abrotman, cool. |
| 19:01.09 | pilgrim | k8to, lemme know if you find anything :) |
| 19:01.23 | k8to | dict-gazetteer2k-places - Places Database for the 2000 US Gazetteer |
| 19:01.26 | k8to | possibly useful! |
| 19:01.29 | k8to | possibly not |
| 19:01.45 | pilgrim | k8to, cool. I'll take a look :). Thanks |
| 19:01.50 | k8to | that's what i found from 'apt-cache search latitude' |
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| 19:01.59 | rahul | pilgrim: http://spatialnews.geocomm.com/features/timezones/ <- found that through google |
| 19:02.08 | Azar | pilgrim: not sure about "linux" but Debian is set for the new DST in the US |
| 19:02.28 | bzed | pilgrim: there's some GIS stuff for linux, I just forgot the url. there's also the openmap project, probably interesting for you, too |
| 19:02.37 | yan | so..anyone know how to get a change log with apt ? |
| 19:02.47 | yan | of the about to be installed pkg |
| 19:02.52 | dkr | less /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:02.54 | k8to | yeah for further resources, check the internet! |
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| 19:03.17 | bzed | k8to: we're not the internet? |
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| 19:03.25 | yan | no i mean a changelog for the package |
| 19:03.26 | k8to | bzed: i'm not! |
| 19:03.30 | Azar | pilgrim: zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 |
| 19:03.30 | rahul | I am the internets |
| 19:03.32 | rahul | ALL OF THEM |
| 19:03.51 | pilgrim | Wow, you guys amaze me. I never thought there'd be so much stuff :) |
| 19:03.57 | rahul | hey! you need to pay first! |
| 19:04.04 | k8to | yan: hmmm, logs are usually of the past |
| 19:04.05 | pilgrim | Azar, no, no, my problem isn't timezones directly |
| 19:04.08 | yan | i know |
| 19:04.09 | rahul | this ride ain't free, baby |
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| 19:04.14 | k8to | yan: apt does tell you wnat it is going to do |
| 19:04.14 | Azar | :) |
| 19:04.15 | yan | but if you look how ubuntu manager works for example |
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| 19:04.20 | ChaosR | stew: ty, it is working |
| 19:04.22 | stew | yan: the changelog is /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian ; there is the apt-listchanges package and http://changelog.debian.net/packagename |
| 19:04.22 | yan | it downloads the changelog for the new package |
| 19:04.27 | yan | stew: right |
| 19:04.31 | Azar | pilgrim: you want to see if your Debian is set to DST correctly for 2007? |
| 19:04.33 | k8to | yan: OH |
| 19:04.38 | yan | stew: but i am interested in grabbing a changelog for a pckage i don't _yet_ have |
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| 19:04.41 | k8to | yan: i use 'wajig changelog packagename' for that |
| 19:04.46 | rahul | yan: ubuntu uses the same tools as debian |
| 19:04.53 | pilgrim | I'm developing an application that needs lat/long of locations around the world. the more the better and this app also needs timezone info which I can get from /etc/localtime |
| 19:04.56 | rahul | yan: use whatever program you used in ubuntu |
| 19:04.56 | yan | yeah i've seen wajig |
| 19:04.57 | stew | yan: apt-listchanges then |
| 19:05.01 | pilgrim | Azar, ^^^^^^ |
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| 19:05.06 | yan | trying to avoid it because it wants an old python version |
| 19:05.11 | Azar | pilgrim: oh I see |
| 19:05.11 | yan | but i might take a look at its implementation |
| 19:05.15 | yan | not much of a python person |
| 19:05.29 | stew | yan: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:05.38 | k8to | yan: hmm, current wajig depends on any python |
| 19:05.47 | yan | well i'm running a variety |
| 19:05.49 | k8to | yan: etch anyway |
| 19:05.51 | yan | k8t0; it wants < 2.4 |
| 19:05.53 | yan | etch |
| 19:05.59 | k8to | Depends: python |
| 19:06.05 | stew | yan: etch's apt-listchanges depends on python >= 2.4 |
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| 19:06.12 | yan | hm |
| 19:06.14 | yan | wierd |
| 19:06.16 | yan | ok let me check it again |
| 19:06.21 | Azar | there: no more need to set the date/time |
| 19:06.22 | stew | !depends apt-listchanges etch |
| 19:06.29 | dpkg | apt-listchanges: depends on python (>= 2.4), python-support (>= 0.2), apt (>= 0.5.3), python-apt, debconf | debconf-2.0, ucf (>= 0.28), debianutils (>= 2.0.2) |
| 19:06.36 | k8to | yan: you were right a while ago |
| 19:06.37 | bzed | yan: proabably you need to do this: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 19:06.39 | pilgrim | Azar, kidding! that's crazy :) |
| 19:06.40 | k8to | yan: it lagged |
| 19:06.44 | fireba11 | how to get the total number of files in a directory WITHOUT getting the complete list ? |
| 19:06.58 | Azar | pilgrim: it sounds utopian, barbarian but would work |
| 19:07.04 | Azar | :) j/k |
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| 19:07.27 | Azar | pilgrim: imagine the DST could change every year |
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| 19:07.44 | pilgrim | Azar, no, no, I'd rather not |
| 19:07.47 | yan | wtf |
| 19:07.48 | yan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.57 | yan | does that mean it wants an -older- python? |
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| 19:07.58 | k8to | Azar: do you have a need for accurate time, or is it more a fun project? |
| 19:08.02 | fireba11 | cd .. |
| 19:08.06 | fireba11 | ups |
| 19:08.06 | Azar | pilgrim: so it is said with this new DST schedule: it will change every year |
| 19:08.10 | k8to | yan: yes, but you are using ubuntu |
| 19:08.13 | yan | yeah |
| 19:08.16 | yan | i'll try on my debian box |
| 19:08.22 | k8to | yan: so i guess it has an older wajig |
| 19:08.22 | yan | i have a variety..they are all just VMs |
| 19:08.31 | Azar | k8to: no just laziness to manually change time on all gadgets at home |
| 19:08.34 | k8to | yan: but as someone pointed out, the functionality you want si provided by apt-listchanges |
| 19:08.46 | yan | k8to: no apt-listchanges is good for parsing the changelogs you already have |
| 19:08.48 | fireba11 | nm found a way :D |
| 19:08.49 | k8to | Azar: well you can also do it over the internets! |
| 19:08.55 | yan | k8to: i need to download changelog for the new package version somehow |
| 19:08.56 | k8to | yan: oh my error :( |
| 19:09.13 | Azar | k8to: :) I am going to pay rahul for the internets services |
| 19:09.21 | yan | k8to: the ubuntu update manager (maybe debian has this too dunno) does this somehow..i am trying to duplicate this functionality |
| 19:09.45 | k8to | yan: there might be other ways |
| 19:09.51 | yan | sorry i'm new to debian (i mean i've used apt a bunch in the past but usually for basic stuff like isntalling) |
| 19:10.02 | yan | i'm trying to jump in the deepend and build a frontend to apt here |
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| 19:10.10 | jroes | where is the package that provides sshd in stable? openssh-server is only in unstable :/ |
| 19:10.18 | stew | jroes: ssh |
| 19:10.18 | yan | i think what i need to do might be outside the scope of apt |
| 19:10.40 | k8to | yan: at its core all it's doing is wget http://packages.debian.org/changelog:<packagename> |
| 19:10.53 | jroes | thanks stew |
| 19:10.57 | jroes | question |
| 19:10.57 | k8to | yan: although it maps binary packages to source ones |
| 19:11.03 | jroes | I added the unstable repo to my sources.list :x |
| 19:11.08 | yan | k8to: ah..this is what i need |
| 19:11.11 | jroes | and then I ran upgrade |
| 19:11.14 | k8to | yan: personally i usually just do |
| 19:11.16 | jroes | how can I downgrade back to stable :) |
| 19:11.20 | Azar | yan: new? cool read those then, is fun: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 apt and aptitude for you |
| 19:11.25 | k8to | yan: packages.qa.debian.org/packagename |
| 19:11.46 | k8to | yan: interactively |
| 19:11.47 | rahul | yan: ubuntu gets all its core software from debian |
| 19:11.54 | yan | Azar: yeah i read just about everything on apt i could already |
| 19:11.57 | yan | thanks |
| 19:11.57 | rahul | yan: especially any package management tools |
| 19:12.08 | Azar | nice some people still read |
| 19:12.09 | yan | rahul: yup i know |
| 19:12.11 | rahul | jroes: you can't |
| 19:12.22 | rahul | yan: so just do the same thing you'd do in ubuntu |
| 19:12.25 | yan | k8to: yeah this is basically waht i need to do is just to query it |
| 19:12.27 | jroes | doh |
| 19:12.37 | yan | k8to: thanks this is a good starting point i have to investigate it further |
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| 19:12.44 | yan | Azar: :-) |
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| 19:12.57 | stew | yan: you can also grab the .changes file from a source mirror |
| 19:13.00 | yan | everyoen else: i am not trying to run apt here peeps :-) i am trying to download changelogs for new packages without downloading the changelogs |
| 19:13.06 | k8to | yan: wajig is a little crufty, there might be a more organized way to map bin-package to source package |
| 19:13.08 | yan | err without downloading the package |
| 19:13.36 | yan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.41 | yan | hm that changelog search is a little strange |
| 19:13.49 | yan | i tried /changelog:firefox and the link is broken |
| 19:13.55 | yan | tooke me to http://packages.debian.org//changelogs/pool/main/f/firefox/current/changelog |
| 19:13.56 | k8to | there's no firefox package |
| 19:14.03 | k8to | i eman |
| 19:14.05 | k8to | current |
| 19:14.09 | yan | ah |
| 19:14.13 | yan | ok that was something that came from ubuntu |
| 19:14.16 | k8to | the current firefox package is built from iceweasel |
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| 19:14.18 | yan | ok i gotta boot my debian box to stop confusing myself |
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| 19:14.50 | k8to | that's what i meant about mapping binary packages to source |
| 19:15.48 | yan | harrumph |
| 19:15.50 | k8to | yan: there's probably a devscript (in devscripts) for this |
| 19:15.54 | yan | ok well i'm booting the debian vm right now |
| 19:16.22 | k8to | hmm... maybe not :/ |
| 19:16.28 | yan | yeah apparently not |
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| 19:17.09 | k8to | oo |
| 19:17.12 | k8to | aptitude does this |
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| 19:17.37 | yan | ah sweet |
| 19:17.40 | k8to | yan aptitude changelog <packagename> |
| 19:17.45 | yan | oh really |
| 19:17.48 | yan | ok standby lemme check |
| 19:18.07 | k8to | i'm an aptitude hater |
| 19:18.20 | yan | hehe why |
| 19:18.20 | k8to | ;) |
| 19:18.20 | jazbo2185 | I'm probably leaving out some required info but; I've got a file that ends in .java, how do I run it? |
| 19:18.23 | rahul | aptitude is the standard apt frontend |
| 19:18.24 | k8to | no explanation, i'm just a misanthrope |
| 19:18.25 | yan | jazbo2185: you need a jre (go to sun) |
| 19:18.44 | HD|Sat1|FCB | How do I create a ISO image for a DVD based on a directory? |
| 19:19.03 | Rydekull | !tell jazbo2185 about java |
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| 19:19.10 | rahul | yan: why sun? |
| 19:19.17 | jazbo2185 | yan, I've got jre installed. I can run java apps in firefox for example |
| 19:19.22 | rahul | jazbo2185: apt-get install sun-java*-* |
| 19:19.24 | k8to | HD|Sat1|FCB: do you want a commandline? |
| 19:19.27 | yan | rahul: dunno..cuz thats where you get JRE's at? or apt-get install java or whatever |
| 19:19.32 | k8to | HD|Sat1|FCB: k3b is a pleasant enough gui, i think |
| 19:19.33 | HD|Sat1|FCB | k8to, yepp |
| 19:19.34 | yan | sorry :-) |
| 19:19.35 | rahul | jazbo2185: whatever version and part of the java system you want |
| 19:19.42 | Rydekull | yan: java is free these days |
| 19:19.43 | rahul | jazbo2185: apt-cache search sun-java, too |
| 19:19.45 | HD|Sat1|FCB | k8to, k3b dont support image creation |
| 19:19.47 | Onur | hi, i install postgresql and i dont find root password? What is root password or how can i set root password? |
| 19:19.51 | HD|Sat1|FCB | only burning ISO images |
| 19:20.00 | rahul | Rydekull: not yet |
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| 19:20.12 | jair | Hey guys I has been trying to figure out couple of things with x11vnc, there is a way I can tell debian to run it after the machine finish boot or when the machine log in to certain user? |
| 19:20.17 | jair | automated |
| 19:20.39 | Rydekull | rahul: GPL is good enough for me to be considered Free and Open |
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| 19:20.50 | rahul | Rydekull: it's not in debian, yet |
| 19:20.50 | yan | k8to: i'll be damned aptitude changelog does exactly what i need |
| 19:21.02 | k8to | HD|Sat1|FCB: under the burn dialog "[x] Only create image" |
| 19:21.04 | Rydekull | rahul: Did I say that? |
| 19:21.06 | rahul | Rydekull: it's still non-free in debian |
| 19:21.17 | rahul | Rydekull: you're confusing the OP |
| 19:21.25 | jazbo2185 | I've got java installed, my question is how do I run a .java file? |
| 19:21.36 | Rydekull | execute it |
| 19:21.36 | rahul | Rydekull: I say get it from debian, you say, it's free. it's non-free in debian. |
| 19:21.42 | rahul | jazbo2185: compile it |
| 19:21.42 | HD|Sat1|FCB | k8to, k |
| 19:21.46 | k8to | HD|Sat1|FCB: growisofs also has the capability |
| 19:21.48 | jair | do you guys know if there is a channel where people is talking about x11vnc? |
| 19:21.51 | stew | jazbo2185: compile it with javac , then run it with java name.of.main.class |
| 19:21.52 | yan | jazbo2185: javac file.java to compile it |
| 19:22.02 | k8to | HD|Sat1|FCB: i'm heding my best because this is changing currently |
| 19:22.04 | rahul | jazbo2185: then run it using java foo.class, IF foo has a main function |
| 19:22.07 | yan | jazbo2185: you typically have to know what you're doing to work with java...are you trying to run a program someone gave you or what? |
| 19:22.08 | Rydekull | rahul: I talked to yan, not jazbo2185 :) |
| 19:22.14 | k8to | HD|Sat1|FCB: cdrkit is in development |
| 19:22.26 | stew | Rydekull: GPL satisfies the requirements of the DFSG. note that sun has not released all of java under the GPL yet which is why it is still in non-free |
| 19:22.40 | rahul | and what stew said. |
| 19:22.43 | Rydekull | stew: aye aye |
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| 19:23.03 | HD|Sat1|FCB | k8to, i used mkisofs -R -J -o temp.iso vd1/temp/ |
| 19:23.04 | schme | Hrm. |
| 19:23.08 | HD|Sat1|FCB | works up2n0w |
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| 19:23.15 | Rydekull | stew: I didnt discuss or comment on that at all :) rahul just dont like me that much :) |
| 19:23.17 | yan | sucks to have to install patitude just for this functionality |
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| 19:23.18 | schme | Just because Debian has something in non-free doesn't mean it's not free. |
| 19:23.24 | yan | i might just try querying the website myself like you suggested |
| 19:23.32 | rahul | Rydekull: why would I not like you? I don't even know you |
| 19:23.39 | rahul | schme: sure it does. |
| 19:23.43 | mutante_ | jair: you can start things at a specific boot level, using files in /etc/init.d/ , and you can use files like ~./bashrc , ~./bash_profile to start things when a certain user starts a shell |
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| 19:23.58 | schme | rahul: No. It just means it is not free according to Debian standards. |
| 19:24.02 | rahul | schme: it's in non-free because it's not free |
| 19:24.32 | jair | mutante_: thanks I like that nick :) |
| 19:24.39 | schme | rahul: According to Debian definitions of "free", ya. |
| 19:24.39 | rahul | schme: debian standards are rather good as far as determining how free you are to change the source and redistribute. |
| 19:24.42 | k8to | HD|Sat1|FCB: you can burn plan old iso9660 files to a DVD, but i thought you needed to tell mkisofs to make the image larger if you needed over 700 megs |
| 19:24.49 | stew | schme: which is the working definition for this channel |
| 19:24.51 | schme | rahul: I would agree to that, yes. |
| 19:25.02 | rahul | schme: right, which is what free means in debian |
| 19:25.02 | schme | feh. |
| 19:25.18 | rahul | schme: OBVIOUSLY anything you're not paying for is free of charges to use |
| 19:25.19 | dkr | not free as in beer. :) |
| 19:25.29 | schme | rahul: Exactly. |
| 19:25.32 | k8to | HD|Sat1|FCB: maybe you know more than me, sorry |
| 19:25.33 | rahul | any dumbass can figure that out :) |
| 19:25.44 | stew | i can't figure out where i get free beer |
| 19:25.53 | Rydekull | stew: customer events |
| 19:25.53 | HD|Sat1|FCB | k8to, i know nothing |
| 19:26.00 | schme | I wouldn't drink it even if it was free. |
| 19:26.02 | dkr | stew: superbowl parties |
| 19:26.02 | rahul | stew: I usually get free vodka, not beer |
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| 19:26.09 | Tigger_` | hi |
| 19:26.17 | rahul | stew: every friday :) |
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| 19:26.27 | yan | alright |
| 19:26.37 | yan | well thanks everyoen for your help especially k8to |
| 19:26.44 | yan | i've got enough to go on |
| 19:26.46 | rahul | stew: rsvp@newyorkunderbelly.com, I'll be there :P |
| 19:26.49 | k8to | enjoy |
| 19:26.50 | yan | i'll be back when i have something cool to show for it :-) |
| 19:26.52 | jazbo2185 | yan, stew rahul Thanks guys, I think that set me on the right path |
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| 19:27.18 | yan | and now i'll plug my website : http://planyp.us - check it out :-) |
| 19:27.30 | yan | it's a new way for friends to make plans together |
| 19:27.51 | rahul | shouldn't it be plyanypus? |
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| 19:27.55 | yan | lol |
| 19:27.57 | stew | rahul: bah, that's going to require me to go to manhattan though :) |
| 19:28.13 | rahul | stew: wimp |
| 19:28.15 | skwp | anyway this is my irc nick |
| 19:28.17 | DocPlatypus | I had a chance to buy latyp.us and didn't |
| 19:28.24 | skwp | it's been a while since i been on irc |
| 19:28.47 | k8to | skwp: good for you |
| 19:28.53 | k8to | skwp: (no sarcasm) |
| 19:28.58 | skwp | lol hehe |
| 19:29.06 | JordiGH | What does "will be archived today" mean in the BTS? |
| 19:29.12 | skwp | dude i spent most of my junior high and highschool days on irc in the middle of the night |
| 19:29.13 | JordiGH | That the DD just uploaded the changes? |
| 19:29.34 | Azar | non-free software have though one freedom for the user: the freedom to remove them |
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| 19:29.50 | JordiGH | Azar: Not always. :-/ |
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| 19:30.00 | JordiGH | Azar: As the MS vs Netscape trial showed. |
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| 19:30.08 | Azar | JordiGH: I was not refering to adware |
| 19:30.22 | k8to | Azar: from any computer? |
| 19:30.22 | JordiGH | Azar: It was (is?) impossible to remove IE from Windows, remember? |
| 19:30.25 | k8to | Azar: :D |
| 19:30.41 | Azar | JordiGH: you can remove the Windows... problem solved |
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| 19:30.57 | Flimzy | I have about 1-2 dozen servers that we need to set up remote backups for. We will not, at this point, be backing up to tape... is my best bet going to be something like rsync, or should I use a tool like amanda or something? |
| 19:30.58 | JordiGH | Anyways, looks like sudo is in for a major revision. Whee! |
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| 19:31.11 | k8to | i wonder if my boss will be happy when i exercise this freedom |
| 19:31.12 | JordiGH | Flimzy: I kinda like unison myself. |
| 19:31.25 | hark | !tape backup |
| 19:31.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tape backup is "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds |
| 19:31.30 | Azar | k8to: he should be, you will save him a lot of money |
| 19:31.34 | k8to | JordiGH: does unison support uh.. revisions? |
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| 19:32.13 | Flimzy | JordiGH: Looks like unison is a "better" rsync.. ? |
| 19:32.15 | JordiGH | k8to: It compares timestamps, synchronises two directory structures. |
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| 19:32.31 | k8to | Flimzy: i haven't deployed it but i like the look of rdiff-backup |
| 19:32.44 | JordiGH | k8to: But by revision do you mean multiple versions of the same files? No, I don't think it does. |
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| 19:33.19 | k8to | JordiGH: yeah it is quite desirable for backups to have .. earlier versions |
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| 19:33.47 | Flimzy | k8to: that does look interesting. thanks. |
| 19:34.07 | robin_sz | unison? |
| 19:34.13 | JordiGH | !info unison |
| 19:34.21 | dpkg | unison: (A file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows), section net, is optional. Version: 2.13.16-6 (sid), Packaged size: 468 kB, Installed size: 1128 kB |
| 19:34.28 | Flimzy | Since the majority of our servers are on LVM... I could possibly back up the entire underlying LVM partition using snapshots... I wonder if that's a good or a bad idea... |
| 19:34.35 | k8to | Flimzy: be careful about how many copies you have, consider fires network security collapses and other calamaties |
| 19:34.42 | Flimzy | that would probably lead to backing up more data than necessary. |
| 19:35.28 | k8to | Flimzy: in-place lvm snapshots gives you the "go back" protection, but does nothing for data redundancy |
| 19:35.38 | robin_sz | so unison is a sort of two way rsync? |
| 19:35.39 | Flimzy | k8to: I realize that. |
| 19:35.47 | k8to | Flimzy: okay, don't mean tot talk down to you |
| 19:35.58 | k8to | slummer: just uh.. you know. consider the worst! |
| 19:36.02 | Flimzy | k8to: What I meant was to take a snapshot of the live system, backup from the "frozen in time" snapshot to a remote host |
| 19:36.14 | Flimzy | k8to: IOW, backing up the entire block device, rather than just the files |
| 19:36.20 | k8to | snapshots are good component regardless |
| 19:36.27 | k8to | so you can back up some sane consistent state |
| 19:36.28 | Flimzy | k8to: But I think that's probably wasteful. |
| 19:36.31 | skwp | ok bbl |
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| 19:36.41 | k8to | Flimzy: even fi your snapshot is only kept for hours |
| 19:36.46 | k8to | 9until the backup finishes) |
| 19:36.49 | k8to | ( |
| 19:37.04 | solemnwarning | Would it be a good idea to have /var in it's own partition on a server, then symlink /home to /var/home? |
| 19:37.05 | Flimzy | k8to: Aye. It still makes sense to use a snapshot during the backup process. But I think I should do a file-level backup, not a block-device-level backup. |
| 19:37.16 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: Why would you want /var/home/ |
| 19:37.18 | k8to | Flimzy: i agree |
| 19:37.18 | Flimzy | ? |
| 19:37.21 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, no |
| 19:37.28 | solemnwarning | Flimzy: So /home isn't on / |
| 19:37.31 | solemnwarning | robin_sz: Why not? |
| 19:37.34 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: Put /home on /home. |
| 19:37.35 | k8to | Flimzy: backing up filesystem structures is gnarly |
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| 19:37.42 | Flimzy | k8to: aye. |
| 19:37.53 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, /home should be on /home ... |
| 19:38.06 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, make /hame a separte patition if yoyu like though |
| 19:38.09 | k8to | Flimzy: i'm not sure what a good offsite strategy is for disk backups |
| 19:38.12 | k8to | Flimzy: or if you need that |
| 19:38.18 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, make /home a separte patition if yoyu like though |
| 19:38.25 | solemnwarning | robin_sz: I think I should keep /var on a seperate fs from / |
| 19:38.31 | Flimzy | k8to: We do want to do an offsite backup. |
| 19:38.36 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, probably right |
| 19:38.37 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: No reason it wouldn't work (I prefer a very small /) |
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| 19:38.46 | Flimzy | k8to: I don't knwo what a good strategy is, either. I don't even know what a bad one would be ;P |
| 19:38.55 | k8to | Flimzy: well network is simple |
| 19:39.00 | k8to | Flimzy: but security... bandwidth |
| 19:39.02 | solemnwarning | So symlinking /home to /var/home is fine? |
| 19:39.07 | robin_sz | no |
| 19:39.08 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: /var, /usr, and /home are typically all on their own filesystems. |
| 19:39.10 | k8to | Flimzy: carting disks around has its own issues |
| 19:39.18 | k8to | Flimzy: anyway |
| 19:39.23 | solemnwarning | robin_sz: What will break? |
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| 19:39.31 | k8to | Flimzy: look at those papers about disk reliability that are so hot right now! |
| 19:39.34 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: I regularly have /home symlinked to /usr/home - no problems at all |
| 19:39.35 | Flimzy | k8to: Moving disks around physically is not a realistic option, considering the datacenter is a 3 hour drive away. |
| 19:39.40 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 19:39.41 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, nothing will break, but its not the "right thing to do" |
| 19:39.45 | k8to | Flimzy: and then make a awesomzor raid, and rdiffbackup! |
| 19:39.51 | k8to | Flimzy: at least, i think that might be a good way |
| 19:40.07 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, what wrong with making /home a partition all of its own? |
| 19:40.30 | solemnwarning | robin_sz: How big should /home be, then how big /var? :P |
| 19:40.39 | Flimzy | putting /home and /usr on the same partition will work, but will likely be slow. |
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| 19:40.59 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, yeah, good point ,.. and how big should /lib be? |
| 19:41.10 | jair | mutante_: do you use x11vnc? |
| 19:41.12 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, ooh and how big should /usr be? |
| 19:41.16 | k8to | solemnwarning: personally i tend to make one filesystem for most purposes |
| 19:41.17 | Phil2 | is there any way to prevent login to ssh using passwords? |
| 19:41.17 | solemnwarning | Putting them on diff filesystems would probably be even slower, unless you have multiple disks |
| 19:41.22 | Phil2 | i.e. only allow key auth |
| 19:41.25 | k8to | solemnwarning: unless i have specific goals |
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| 19:41.33 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: How big /home is depends ****entirely**** on what you use the system for. I have systems with 10mb /home's, and some with 300gigs |
| 19:41.41 | xingu | sorry about the joinspam |
| 19:41.47 | solemnwarning | 10MB? :O |
| 19:41.57 | solemnwarning | My _/boot_ is bigger then that |
| 19:42.01 | jmalicki_ | 300GB? that's a small /home |
| 19:42.05 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: Putting /home and /usr on separate partitions (even on the same disk) forces all of /usr to be physically near itself on the drive, thus reducing seek times. |
| 19:42.12 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, I know ... create a /var ... and then have every thing apart from /boot symiuked to /var/home, /var/usr, /var/lib etc etc ??? |
| 19:42.14 | k8to | solemnwarning: moving stuff around with symlinks isn't really a big problem, though i find it ugly myself, i'd probably use a bind mount |
| 19:42.18 | vorsprung | Phil2, yes..the man page is probably sshd_config |
| 19:42.28 | jmalicki_ | use lvm if you have lots of partitions |
| 19:42.31 | Phil2 | ah, ty |
| 19:42.34 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: Putting /usr and /home on the same partition means that /usr (which is *heavily* used on a typical system) will be spread out among your (probably infrequently used) /home data, thus drastically increasing seek times. |
| 19:42.34 | jmalicki_ | so you can resize if you screw up |
| 19:42.35 | Phil2 | was looking for that |
| 19:42.45 | solemnwarning | Flimzy: ah |
| 19:42.47 | xingu | OT for #debian but who's best to let know that chrichton is giving TTL expired-in-transit for ipv6 connects? |
| 19:43.00 | k8to | in short: filesystem allocation is a performance tuning topic |
| 19:43.05 | k8to | well |
| 19:43.07 | k8to | system tuning |
| 19:43.15 | solemnwarning | It falls under reliability as well IMO |
| 19:43.18 | k8to | meaning it's all about custimzation and there's no single answer |
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| 19:43.22 | jmalicki_ | xingu: is your ttl too small? |
| 19:43.35 | solemnwarning | More filesystems means less damage if one is corrupt |
| 19:43.52 | jmalicki_ | solemnwarning: but a corrupt filesystem means a reinstall anyway |
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| 19:44.01 | jmalicki_ | solemnwarning: so as long as you separate user data from code |
| 19:44.01 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, so, in short, either leave everyting in / and let it fill up as needed, or create specific, pre-sized /home /var and /whatever you feel like is the right hting to do .... |
| 19:44.05 | solemnwarning | jmalicki_: Less data loss is better |
| 19:44.05 | k8to | is filesystem a real issue on modern systems? |
| 19:44.11 | bzed | robin_sz: use lvm! |
| 19:44.13 | xingu | jmalicki_: intelligent question, and yes I should be more exacting; I'm switching what was once a working config off the now-deceased btexact tunnelbroker and onto sixxs. |
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| 19:44.15 | k8to | it USED to be a common enough problem to care about |
| 19:44.44 | jmalicki_ | solemnwarning: any lost data from /usr or / means you lost it all, practically speaking, so no that's not true. |
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| 19:44.44 | robin_sz | but symlinking /home to /var/home strikes me as nutty. |
| 19:44.44 | xingu | jmalicki_: I'll go burrowing for more detail |
| 19:44.44 | k8to | but i've not heard of a corrupt filesystem short of a busted disk in donkey's years |
| 19:44.44 | solemnwarning | I'm not talking about seperating /usr |
| 19:44.46 | solemnwarning | k8to: perhaps |
| 19:44.49 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: If you have a system with hundreds/thousands of users that are constantly using their /home directories (i.e. for a web server or a shell server in a CS department),then /home may be the most heavily used part of your disk. |
| 19:44.51 | jmalicki_ | k8to: it can happen with bad ram sometimes |
| 19:45.02 | jmalicki_ | k8to: or when resizing filesystems with LVM i've had it happen |
| 19:45.04 | k8to | jmalicki_: oh yeah that's probably true |
| 19:45.12 | solemnwarning | Resizing filesystems? O_O |
| 19:45.12 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: On my typical Linux workstations, tho, /home has a lot of "write-once, read-rarely" data (like an MP3 collection) |
| 19:45.13 | jmalicki_ | k8to: or sometimes bad cable etc |
| 19:45.16 | solemnwarning | Scary |
| 19:45.18 | k8to | tough bad ram is likely to corrupt all filesystems that are readwrite |
| 19:45.30 | k8to | also bad cable |
| 19:45.35 | jmalicki_ | k8to: usually bad ram corrupts infrequently though, if its only barely bad |
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| 19:45.43 | solemnwarning | Flimzy: My machine has /home used tons, / is barely ever used :P |
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| 19:45.45 | k8to | i dunno |
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| 19:45.56 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: / is rarely used on every system. |
| 19:45.57 | jmalicki_ | k8to: and unless you have ECC, you're likely to get bad bits every once in awhile |
| 19:45.58 | robin_sz | solemnwarning, you asked for our opinion, we gave it. symlinking /home to /var/home is the sort of thing to have other sysadmins laughing at you .. you asked, we told .. thats all there is to it |
| 19:46.02 | xingu | jmalicki_: it's well under ttl; bouncing between 2001:820:0:1:1::215 and 2001:820:0:1:1::202, no next-hop on the latter |
| 19:46.03 | k8to | solemnwarning: my view is, you sound like you know enough to make your own decisions about your own needs |
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| 19:46.13 | jmalicki_ | xingu: ah ok |
| 19:46.22 | k8to | jmalicki_: dead data is going to be a bigger scare than broken FS then |
| 19:46.31 | jmalicki_ | k8to: yep |
| 19:46.57 | jmalicki_ | k8to: but a broken filesystem can lead you to lose larger chunks |
| 19:47.06 | jmalicki_ | (i.e. why many filesystems journal metadata but not data) |
| 19:47.15 | solemnwarning | Hmm |
| 19:47.24 | k8to | ? they do that for performance |
| 19:47.29 | solemnwarning | Maybe I should just do RAID-1 over a couple of disks and not worry about it |
| 19:47.31 | abrotman | junix: ? |
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| 19:47.38 | jmalicki_ | k8to: oh sure.. but because the metadata is MORE IMPORTANT |
| 19:47.40 | Tigger_` | hi |
| 19:47.40 | solemnwarning | ext3 has never failed me :) |
| 19:47.53 | jmalicki_ | k8to: so if you have to journal a subset, you pick the metadata |
| 19:47.56 | bzed | solemnwarning: lvm on top of a raid sounds good :D |
| 19:47.57 | Tigger_` | ext3 is good :) |
| 19:47.59 | k8to | i think the genius of ext2/3 is the fsck is REALLY GOOD |
| 19:48.12 | junix | abrotman: i'm here |
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| 19:48.19 | abrotman | junix: the phone sucks! |
| 19:48.21 | DocPlatypus | to be honest I kind of like OpenBSD's FFS/UFS better |
| 19:48.34 | DocPlatypus | but ext2 isn't terrible |
| 19:48.35 | abrotman | junix: okay .. so nvidia works now ? |
| 19:48.37 | bzed | k8to: and that ext never failed for me except on a HDD with broken electronics :D |
| 19:48.49 | k8to | well i mean |
| 19:48.51 | junix | abrotman: agreed, i ahve been knee deep in pc repair. yes nvidia works on 2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 19:48.59 | Tigger_` | ext2 was never any good, power failure or a freeze and can loose the best part of ur OS |
| 19:49.01 | k8to | i've put ext2 into unwknown state TONS of times |
| 19:49.05 | bzed | DocPlatypus: I'd like to have ZFS :D but gnusolaris will pwn linux soon :D |
| 19:49.15 | k8to | and nothing was ever damaged |
| 19:49.26 | abrotman | junix: but not on -4- ? |
| 19:49.31 | junix | right |
| 19:49.32 | k8to | bzed: nexenta now? |
| 19:49.42 | bzed | Tigger_`: uh? never managed to get it into a state where e2fsck wasn't able to repair it, even on the broken harddrive |
| 19:49.44 | bzed | k8to: yes |
| 19:49.57 | abrotman | junix: does your system still need to be reboot ? |
| 19:49.57 | rpc | what does it mean that TSC cannot be using as a timesource? and that i'm losing too many ticks... possibly DMA disabled and such...? |
| 19:50.04 | rpc | be used* |
| 19:50.08 | junix | abrotman: yes about ever 6-8 hours |
| 19:50.12 | Tigger_` | well i can only you was lucky |
| 19:50.29 | abrotman | junix: even with -4- ? |
| 19:50.36 | simonrvn | yay, one other person that can spell losing properly in the right context :) |
| 19:50.37 | junix | i have no video with 4 |
| 19:50.53 | k8to | rpc: my fuzzy memory says that this means that your powersaving who-hah is making one source of timing too inaccurate, and that it will revert to using an alternate timing source |
| 19:50.58 | rpc | simonrvn cheers, i'm not english native speaker btw ;) |
| 19:51.04 | bzed | k8to: hopefully that'll migrate into debian soon :D I really like linux, but I think especially for servers the solaris kernel is just beter |
| 19:51.11 | simonrvn | neither am i ;) |
| 19:51.12 | abrotman | junix: uhm .. then let's get nvidia working first i suppose (though i don't know much about them) |
| 19:51.19 | k8to | rpc: sadly i seem to be too lazy to plug your query into google |
| 19:51.23 | abrotman | simonrvn: quebecois eh ? :) |
| 19:51.25 | rpc | k8to hm i was hoping that this may affect nic :) |
| 19:51.27 | junix | abrotman: what do you use? |
| 19:51.28 | simonrvn | nope |
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| 19:51.36 | abrotman | junix: intel if i can |
| 19:51.41 | abrotman | simonrvn: i was joking |
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| 19:51.46 | rpc | k8to as a possibly timing or i/o source |
| 19:51.55 | moshii | abrotman: for graphics? |
| 19:51.58 | junix | abrotman: i have that built in...but vmware works better if i can offload the video |
| 19:52.03 | simonrvn | found out i have very little french in me actually, abrotman: oh hehe |
| 19:52.07 | rpc | err i didn't make much sence with that one... |
| 19:52.09 | abrotman | moshii: for not being raped by the hardware manufactuer |
| 19:52.12 | rpc | sense* (doh) |
| 19:52.26 | simonrvn | even though ironically that was my mother's tongue |
| 19:52.26 | abrotman | junix: did oyu try the nvidia one-liner ? |
| 19:52.37 | junix | abrotman: no what's that? |
| 19:52.42 | simonrvn | </ot> |
| 19:52.44 | abrotman | !tell junix about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:52.49 | moshii | abrotman: I can understand that, but the intel chipsets win no races :P |
| 19:52.56 | k8to | !tell k8to about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:53.00 | abrotman | moshii: it wins the F/OSS race :) |
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| 19:53.01 | junix | abrotman: i could reboot and try that.... |
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| 19:53.30 | simonrvn | abrotman: they support f/oss really well? |
| 19:53.38 | k8to | i'm using G965 here |
| 19:53.57 | k8to | DVI, 3d for weeks on end |
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| 19:54.10 | k8to | no tainting |
| 19:54.11 | moshii | I have an 845.. software rendering is actually faster for gl stuff |
| 19:55.19 | k8to | simonrvn: in practice the support is _slightly_ overhyped, but it's light years ahead of ati, nvidia |
| 19:55.19 | simonrvn | mm |
| 19:55.19 | simonrvn | something to consider then |
| 19:55.19 | k8to | i'm hoping ati/amd's tune will change |
| 19:55.25 | k8to | *fingers crosssed* |
| 19:55.28 | moshii | Intel stuff has that nice "just works" feeling too |
| 19:55.39 | simonrvn | though certain things i do don't support the intel very well, but it's being worked on |
| 19:55.39 | k8to | moshii: i did NOT have that experience :D |
| 19:55.56 | k8to | moshii: although i suppose i was the fool who bought hardware only 6 months old |
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| 19:56.09 | moshii | k8to: really? My laptop is all intel except for a realtek nic, everything works out of the box with even woody |
| 19:56.17 | k8to | laptops are much rosier |
| 19:56.25 | simonrvn | wait a year, or buy year old used, best way IMO, if you have the cash |
| 19:56.40 | samu1 | i need help getting the syntax rigt to use john the cracker, is there a IRC anyone could recommend please? |
| 19:56.47 | k8to | the glue chips for the intel video stuff is.. not painless |
| 19:56.50 | moshii | k8to: most laptops are painful with anything but Windows :( |
| 19:57.14 | abrotman | simonrvn: intel ? |
| 19:57.20 | k8to | building my own X.org builds with experimental drivers trying to get DVI to work: wasn't fun! |
| 19:57.27 | Phil2 | is there something like denyhosts that comes as a package in sarge? |
| 19:57.27 | abrotman | junix: we have to! .. you can't file a bug on a kernel that doesn't exist anymore |
| 19:57.30 | k8to | haha |
| 19:57.50 | junix | abrotman: ok |
| 19:57.51 | simonrvn | abrotman: seems like anything out there needs some maturing before a) well supported with f/oss b) prices drop ;) |
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| 19:58.39 | moshii | hopefully I can get debian or netbsd on it |
| 19:58.41 | simonrvn | hell, i run 6-10 year old h/w, who am i to talk? ;) |
| 19:58.47 | k8to | samu1: are you having trouble creating a passwd file, or are you wanting help understanding the search switches? |
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| 19:59.28 | samu1 | i have dumped the password hash into a txt file, I am generally unsure of how to proceed |
| 19:59.35 | k8to | G965 is fine with xorg 7.2 |
| 19:59.45 | samu1 | I have had a look at the man page, I don't get it |
| 19:59.47 | k8to | just debian .. you know doesn't go with bleeding edge X |
| 19:59.52 | simonrvn | abrotman: that's what i keep seeing, here, day after day... people wanting to run the latest h/w, and it has barely any support if at all with the kernel or anything else |
| 20:00.28 | moshii | k8to: xorg is pretty heavy and takes a while to package |
| 20:00.30 | k8to | simonrvn: the kernel that WILL SHIP with etch doesn't support my cdrom controller (jmicron) nor my ethernet controller :D |
| 20:00.37 | k8to | moshii: no kidding! |
| 20:00.42 | simonrvn | my point exactly |
| 20:00.43 | k8to | moshii: no complaints here |
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| 20:00.48 | moshii | k8to: it's not something you want to break either :P |
| 20:00.58 | samu1 | k8to: it is a windoze 2000 password. Is the password file a special type of file? |
| 20:01.06 | k8to | it's lame that it's not easier to update X |
| 20:01.13 | simonrvn | samu1: not sure if john will parse that |
| 20:01.14 | k8to | but that's not really debian's problem |
| 20:01.23 | simonrvn | samu1: IIRC the format is md4 |
| 20:01.26 | moshii | k8to: that's the whole idea of breaking it into a modular tree |
| 20:01.32 | k8to | samu1: i didn't think john handled windows 2000 passwords |
| 20:01.42 | k8to | samu1: i thought you needed l0phtcrack for that |
| 20:01.56 | simonrvn | techinically though, if john supports it, it should be able to crack that easily. md4 is weak |
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| 20:02.01 | k8to | moshii: an interesting theory that has not borne fruit |
| 20:02.23 | boof | hoi |
| 20:02.34 | k8to | linux is not a modular tree, but yet it is not very hard for me to update! |
| 20:02.38 | moshii | k8to: mm well, haven't had to download hundreds of megs worth of xorg updates for a while thankgod |
| 20:02.42 | abrotman | simonrvn: i haven't had a problem with my intel video in my laptop at all .. worked since the day i got it(except briefly I had no DRI, but i blame gravity) |
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| 20:03.14 | moshii | the intel dri breakage was a couple months for me :( |
| 20:03.24 | creature | "If you do resume from initrd after your filesystems are mounted... bye bye root partition." says the documentation for swsusp. I'm pretty sure I use initrd as part of my kernel startup, but I don't know if I resume after filesystems are mounted. How would I find out? |
| 20:03.33 | k8to | moshii: i'm running parts of experimental :D |
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| 20:03.34 | abrotman | moshii: i followed the super secret special instructions and got it back quicker :) |
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| 20:03.42 | k8to | moshii: happily, it is WORKING |
| 20:03.54 | simonrvn | abrotman: yeh, i guess manuf. are getting smarter about a) participating in the development of kernel drivers b) making the h/w that much easier |
| 20:04.05 | Averell | apt-get update usually gets diff files from the last date and patches till now, that is annoying how do i turn it off? |
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| 20:04.22 | k8to | abrotman: DOWN WITH GRAVITY |
| 20:04.27 | moshii | abrotman: I turned off the visual I had for xmms and forgot about it, the 845 is useless for much else |
| 20:04.29 | abrotman | he's a DD |
| 20:04.33 | simonrvn | Averell: why would you want to turn that off? |
| 20:04.39 | abrotman | moshii: i use it to do GL stuff |
| 20:04.45 | boof | I got this vserver running with two ips, first one for intern traffic and one for outgoing traffic. but the vserver always tries to access internet trough the intern ip which fails everytime. how do i tell debian to go through the second one? |
| 20:04.55 | Averell | it takes longer, especially on my old machine. |
| 20:04.58 | simonrvn | k8to: bleh! |
| 20:04.59 | k8to | Averell: i don't understand the problem |
| 20:05.00 | moshii | boof: set the default route |
| 20:05.07 | boof | in the vserver? |
| 20:05.22 | Averell | it's like 100s of small requests instead of a big index or something. |
| 20:05.23 | simonrvn | Averell: that's how it's done now. depends on the source |
| 20:05.34 | boof | moshii: it has another subnet than the host ip |
| 20:05.36 | simonrvn | it's one extra step, that's why |
| 20:05.37 | Averell | well, how do people bootstrap? |
| 20:05.41 | k8to | Averell: do you dislike the screen output? |
| 20:05.51 | moshii | boof: the vserver has two interfaces and you want to route out of one not the other? |
| 20:05.52 | Averell | no it really takes longer. |
| 20:05.55 | boof | i tried to set the def gw for the subnet but that doesn't work |
| 20:06.00 | k8to | Averell: it probably takes less network but more cpu |
| 20:06.01 | boof | one interface |
| 20:06.02 | samu1 | k8to: this is in the man page " It can also be used to extract AFS and Windows NT passwords." I may have misunderstood? |
| 20:06.16 | junix | abrotman: doing it nowq |
| 20:06.22 | k8to | Averell: i have slow network and fast cpu so it goes much faster |
| 20:06.24 | simonrvn | i use aptitude... and that sort of thing doesn't bother me anyway... even when the box is busy, it *does* get done eventually |
| 20:06.30 | Averell | i'm ok with more network and less cpu, whichi is why i want the big thing. |
| 20:06.38 | simonrvn | mm |
| 20:06.53 | simonrvn | don't really have a choice in the matter |
| 20:06.53 | k8to | Averell: i think you might consider accepting that it takes longer, because it puts less load on the mirrors |
| 20:06.59 | k8to | Averell: BUT |
| 20:07.06 | k8to | Averell: i think you can disable it.. loooking |
| 20:07.27 | simonrvn | it offputs and shares some of the tasks with the client end that the mirrors used to do |
| 20:07.39 | bzed | Acquire::PDiffs "false |
| 20:07.42 | bzed | ^^ that in apt.conf |
| 20:07.46 | moshii | boof: oh, the host machine has the two ips and you want to force all the traffic from the vserver out of one of them? |
| 20:07.47 | simonrvn | oh |
| 20:07.49 | bzed | Acquire::PDiffs "false"; |
| 20:07.57 | bzed | k8to: Averell ^^ |
| 20:08.10 | k8to | A+ |
| 20:08.16 | boof | uhm, is there something like a pastie here? |
| 20:08.22 | bzed | put that in apt.conf or somewhere in apt.conf.d |
| 20:08.30 | boof | I'd like to paste the route output |
| 20:08.30 | bzed | !tell boof about paster |
| 20:08.30 | Averell | ah very good. thanks. |
| 20:08.44 | Flimzy | Does anyone here have experience with Bacula? It looks pretty extensive and possibly easy to use... or should I consider some other network backup tool/ |
| 20:08.45 | Flimzy | ? |
| 20:08.50 | Gnea | !paste |
| 20:08.50 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 20:08.51 | k8to | Averell: the rred step is really not nearly as effficient as it could be |
| 20:09.17 | k8to | Averell: but.. i'm not stepping up to do the work! |
| 20:09.20 | simonrvn | k8to: that's true, but friendly to the mirrors |
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| 20:09.40 | Averell | heh |
| 20:09.58 | k8to | simonrvn: you could possibly do some thing where you create diffs to the current state from N previous steps |
| 20:10.14 | k8to | simonrvn: which is not THAT expensive since it only needs to be done once centrally |
| 20:10.26 | bzed | paster: poke! |
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| 20:10.38 | k8to | simonrvn: and it would make the load even less for mirrors |
| 20:10.43 | k8to | simonrvn: and faster for clients also |
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| 20:11.41 | dustybin | does anybody know a way of viewing the versions of applications installed on debian etch? |
| 20:11.46 | k8to | simonrvn: so .. if i could create the infrastructure with zero effort, it would be great |
| 20:11.51 | moshii | dustybin: man dpkg |
| 20:11.55 | dustybin | thanks :) |
| 20:12.08 | simonrvn | i know they've discussed this for ages, having seen some of it... and it is still being developped further, but i'm not sure if they've considered that or not. it's a thought |
| 20:12.08 | k8to | dustybin: there is a dpkg log |
| 20:12.10 | moshii | dustybin: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 20:12.12 | k8to | dustybin: in /var/log |
| 20:12.28 | k8to | and .. yeah some front ends to it |
| 20:12.31 | simonrvn | dustybin: dpkg's log and aptitude's log |
| 20:12.44 | k8to | that i haven't learned to use |
| 20:12.44 | k8to | :D |
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| 20:13.56 | abrotman | !installed |
| 20:13.57 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 20:14.41 | k8to | simonrvn: oh, my diff proposal is straight out of the mailing lists |
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| 20:14.55 | k8to | simonrvn: i haven't invested any of my very limited intelligence |
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| 20:15.33 | k8to | okay zoot |
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| 20:15.34 | simonrvn | 'k |
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| 20:17.38 | mikes_ | i add the repos of experimental in sources.list, i update and my system cab't see the new packages..im i missing any step? |
| 20:17.51 | boof | moshii, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5585 |
| 20:17.59 | abrotman | teenwolf! |
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| 20:19.11 | craigevil | mikes_: apt/synaptic do not show experimental you have to tell them to install from there |
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| 20:19.20 | junix | abrotman: it didn't work, i have a GeForce 2 MX 440... |
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| 20:19.37 | mikes_ | thanks craigevil ;) |
| 20:19.38 | abrotman | junix: okay .. so get yourself a text irc client .. and find out why |
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| 20:20.08 | mikes_ | has anyone tried xorg 7.2 from experimental?? |
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| 20:20.48 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I've purchased Intel Core 2 CPU machine. What should I compile in the kernel to use both 'virtual' CPUs? |
| 20:21.02 | [xDCDx] | hello, is there a way of, after netbooting into an nfsroot offered by a server, doing a king of pivotroot to the root in the local filesystem? |
| 20:21.09 | stew | hid3: CONFIG_SMP |
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| 20:21.16 | stew | hid3: (or just use a debian -smp kernel) |
| 20:21.29 | hid3 | aaah I see. Thanks stew! |
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| 20:21.37 | craigevil | isn't smp in the Etch kernels by default? |
| 20:21.43 | stew | craigevil: yes |
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| 20:22.38 | maddash | does anyone use XFree86 anymore? |
| 20:22.43 | Azar | maddash: me |
| 20:22.48 | abrotman | people with old S3 cards :) |
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| 20:22.54 | Azar | hehe |
| 20:23.03 | maddash | Azar: is it painful? |
| 20:23.13 | Azar | I use it on both, sarge and the upgraded other box to etch |
| 20:23.24 | Azar | maddash: nope.. |
| 20:23.24 | junix | abrotman: ?? |
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| 20:23.34 | craigevil | mikes_: you probably wont see many people in #debian using exp packages |
| 20:23.38 | Azar | I configure with dpkg-reconfigure very comfortably |
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| 20:23.45 | abrotman | junix: which kernel are you in rightnow ? |
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| 20:23.55 | junix | 4 |
| 20:24.03 | abrotman | so you're at a console ? |
| 20:24.10 | abrotman | what does your X log say about nvidia ? |
| 20:24.17 | Azar | maddash: in fact as a beginner I never have/had issues with xfree86 |
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| 20:24.38 | junix | it said that it tried to work |
| 20:24.42 | junix | there were no EE |
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| 20:24.50 | abrotman | junix: can you paste the log somewhere ? |
| 20:24.54 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 20:24.54 | dpkg | somebody said pastewithoutx was you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 20:25.03 | maddash | Azar: why all the hubbub about X.org vs. XFree86? |
| 20:25.22 | Azar | maddash: because we all want to snub xfree86 for being a prick |
| 20:25.47 | Azar | and I intend to move to xorg myself to support the snubbing |
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| 20:26.11 | maddash | Azar: what's holding you up? |
| 20:26.28 | Azar | maddash: the complete move to etch, waiting for the official CD to get out |
| 20:26.42 | Tigger_` | well i've installed windows xp again it's faster then any linux distro |
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| 20:26.51 | Azar | hahaha ok |
| 20:26.55 | Tigger_` | tripple boot of corse |
| 20:27.16 | Azar | Tigger_`: remove all and install Debian only and gonna be even faster |
| 20:27.22 | phreqmod | greetings |
| 20:27.27 | Tigger_` | linux used to be faster but not now |
| 20:27.40 | Azar | Tigger_`: yea because your XP bloats all your system |
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| 20:27.43 | Tigger_` | i've done that Azar |
| 20:27.49 | maddash | Tigger_`: are you kidding? debian runs in circles around XP on my machine |
| 20:28.01 | Tigger_` | wel not on mine |
| 20:28.10 | kollo15 | hi i want to install mplayer with GUI interface i am totally newbie dont know much about Unix stuff.. anyone? |
| 20:28.11 | EdLin | Tigger_`: what is Linux being slow at? |
| 20:28.14 | Tigger_` | woody used to be faster |
| 20:28.23 | Azar | triple boot sounds nice for all three Debian versions |
| 20:28.27 | rahul | so don't run slow apps |
| 20:28.30 | junix | abrotman: yes |
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| 20:28.44 | Azar | Tigger_`: because woody would not use the bloated gnome or kde I assume |
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| 20:28.51 | mindframe | wow apt-file is awesome |
| 20:28.52 | rahul | kollo15: install the mplayer theme |
| 20:28.55 | Tigger_` | i'm not even talking about aps just the OS and a browser |
| 20:28.57 | rahul | kollo15: and run gmplayer to get the gui |
| 20:28.59 | phreqmod | kollo15, install mplayer from debian-multimedia and then run "gmplayer" |
| 20:29.11 | Azar | Tigger_`: I use Debian with naked X no desktops and my system is like a supersonic |
| 20:29.15 | Tigger_` | i'm using an amd 450 box |
| 20:29.16 | rahul | Tigger_`: a browser is not an app? |
| 20:29.23 | mindframe | Azar, how can you cope with that? |
| 20:29.32 | mindframe | Azar, at least stick *box on it? |
| 20:29.39 | Tigger_` | with 94MB of ram but it's the same on my 5 other boxes |
| 20:29.40 | bzed | kollo15: or isntall vlc, I think that's jsut in the default debian distribution |
| 20:29.51 | Azar | mindframe: X with openbox manager , and I feel way better than with a gnome or kde |
| 20:29.55 | kollo15 | rahul,phreqmod: i am using redhat, nobody is available in that channel. is it the same as for debian? |
| 20:29.58 | EdLin | mindframe: he means with a window manager, such as *box, etc. |
| 20:30.07 | bzed | kollo15: lol no |
| 20:30.10 | mindframe | oh right desktop != wm |
| 20:30.12 | Tigger_` | well whatever it dosn't matter |
| 20:30.25 | bzed | kollo15: you could try the fedora channel, though |
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| 20:30.28 | craigevil | kollo15: you might try #fedora |
| 20:30.38 | maddash | Azar: "naked X"? |
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| 20:30.44 | Azar | mindframe: I got same functionality , access to gui apps, games, office, browser less the icons and stuff |
| 20:30.47 | EdLin | Tigger_`: yes, it doesn't matter - because you're a troll. |
| 20:30.52 | EdLin | !troll Tigger_` |
| 20:30.56 | Tigger_` | yes Azar lol i was prolly using linux b4 u was born lol |
| 20:31.02 | EdLin | !u |
| 20:31.02 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:31.05 | mindframe | Azar, i find a lack of DE to be perfectly usable too. i just bind all my common apps to keys |
| 20:31.09 | Azar | maddash: X only with a bg image of my choice and openbox manager |
| 20:31.13 | intruder | im willing to backup my whole system and to make it easily reinstallable, i've explored different ways but i wondered if one of you maybe have THE great idea about this |
| 20:31.29 | junix | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/385352 |
| 20:31.34 | Tigger_` | hey i'm only stating a fact |
| 20:31.36 | maddash | Azar: that's not naked... |
| 20:31.37 | mindframe | great for laptops cuz you dont have to mouse and browse through menus to run something |
| 20:31.42 | EdLin | Tigger_`: er, it's not a fact. |
| 20:32.05 | Tigger_` | er ? |
| 20:32.08 | Azar | maddash: well "naked" on a figurative speaking, I do not feel the "need" for a gnome or a kde stuff.... |
| 20:32.17 | Tigger_` | you will have to explain EdLin |
| 20:32.18 | kollo15 | craigevil: i cant register |
| 20:32.36 | EdLin | Tigger_`: "er" is not a particularly important word, at least not one worth explaining to a troll. |
| 20:32.36 | karsten | What're the cool people using for CD ripping these days? Still grip? |
| 20:32.40 | mindframe | im installing beryl on my home desktop tonight though. im pretty excited to check it out. |
| 20:32.46 | rahul | karsten: abcde |
| 20:33.00 | jelly-home | hi, does anyone know how to configure failover for in-kernel qla2xxx driver? |
| 20:33.04 | Azar | mindframe: what in the world does that beryl do? |
| 20:33.07 | Tigger_` | i'm a troll, i'm a tigger , hoo hoo hoo |
| 20:33.11 | stew | EdLin: Tigger_` can you please take this conversation elsewhere? |
| 20:33.13 | karsten | rahul: commandline ripper? |
| 20:33.18 | rahul | karsten: yes |
| 20:33.21 | stew | Tigger_`: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:33.25 | mindframe | Azar: beryl is a 3d window manager that runs on top of or without an existing desktop. |
| 20:33.28 | EdLin | stew: I'll take it to /dev/null :-) |
| 20:33.31 | maddash | Azar: DE := overdressed. |
| 20:33.39 | karsten | how about podcast management? |
| 20:33.40 | Tigger_` | ok Think Soup, can u surgest anywhere ? |
| 20:33.42 | mindframe | Azar, google for some screenshots, its really cool looking. |
| 20:33.44 | Azar | ah I see... |
| 20:33.44 | maddash | karsten: dd. |
| 20:33.45 | phreqmod | karsten, I use ripit, works OK for me... |
| 20:33.47 | EdLin | !u |
| 20:33.47 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 20:34.03 | mindframe | beryl=eye candy basically. |
| 20:34.05 | stew | Tigger_`: i didn't understand your question, is it somehow debian related? |
| 20:34.07 | maddash | EdLin: freedom of speech. don't spam. |
| 20:34.14 | karsten | maddash: dd's ogg / mp3 encoding capabilities are somewhat limited. |
| 20:34.21 | Tigger_` | what question ? |
| 20:34.25 | mutante_ | jair: ehm,no i dont, that was just a general comment on how to start any program at boot time or when user logs in |
| 20:34.27 | stew | Tigger_`: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:34.31 | Azar | mindframe: I am not particularily fond of niceties... good for you man |
| 20:34.58 | Tigger_` | no stew, i had a debian related statement |
| 20:35.00 | jelly-home | karsten: call me a bloat lover, but I like Konqueror's integrated libparanoia + lame + ogg/vorbis abilities |
| 20:35.10 | karsten | jelly-home: Tell me more. |
| 20:35.16 | maddash | karsten: by "rip" i had thought you wanted to copy tracks from a CD to a file on the HD. |
| 20:35.17 | mindframe | its got some 'pushing-the-envelope' UI features. ill probably end up going back to fluxbox if i decide its too much. I want to see if its all its hyped up to be. |
| 20:35.22 | jelly-home | karsten: first you have to install half of KDE :-) |
| 20:35.28 | Tigger_` | i love debian |
| 20:35.28 | abrotman | junix: yeah .. it's missing something .. did you do the nvidia one-liner ? |
| 20:35.32 | Azar | maddash: we would like to see people using normal speaking in here, as opposed to an ordinary tubechat room |
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| 20:35.46 | junix | abrotman: yep |
| 20:35.47 | maddash | Azar: "tubechat"? |
| 20:35.52 | karsten | jelly-home: I've got over half of KDE installed. I use Konq as my default browser (but wmaker as my desktop). |
| 20:36.00 | boof | Most vservers have a external and a internal IP, but not all. Only those which run public services. All IPs are aliased from eth0 but the vserver have a different subnet than the host and so different gateways. |
| 20:36.00 | boof | When I try to ping from an vserver with an external IP I have 100% packet loss. I added the route for the vserver subnet but this doesn't work. Can someone give me a hint or a solution? |
| 20:36.02 | abrotman | junix: grep nvidia /etc/modules .. see anything ? |
| 20:36.03 | Azar | maddash: tube, drainpipe whatever |
| 20:36.14 | karsten | stew: Pull the trigger. Kill that Tigger_` |
| 20:36.22 | Tigger_` | hahahahha |
| 20:36.24 | maddash | Azar: you lost me @ tubechat |
| 20:36.37 | maddash | karsten: Kpull the ktrigger |
| 20:36.40 | junix | abrotman: MEGATRON:~# grep nvidia /etc/modules |
| 20:36.40 | junix | nvidia |
| 20:36.40 | Azar | maddash: tubechat people use "u" instead of "you" |
| 20:36.41 | Tigger_` | no don't do that i do help ppl if you look in the logs |
| 20:36.47 | abrotman | junix: eh .. hrm .. |
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| 20:36.59 | abrotman | junix: lsmod | grep nvidia .. see it ? |
| 20:37.09 | karsten | Tigger_`: Unfortunately for you, I have. |
| 20:37.15 | junix | i2c_core 19680 2 nvidia,i2c_i801 |
| 20:37.15 | junix | agpgart 29896 2 nvidia,intel_agp |
| 20:37.22 | Azar | Tigger_`: please stick with our topic or quit bothering us |
| 20:37.29 | karsten | !tell junix about paste |
| 20:37.40 | Tigger_` | ok i didn't bother anyone did i ? |
| 20:37.48 | Tigger_` | what di i say ? |
| 20:37.52 | Tigger_` | *did |
| 20:37.55 | rahul | no, you just bothered EVERYONE |
| 20:37.56 | abrotman | junix: but onthing else ? |
| 20:38.04 | jelly-home | karsten: actually, konqueror, kdemultimedia-kio-plugins (and lame for mp3 encoding), maybe kcontrol for configuration - not sure. after that, in konqueror you can type in an URL like audiocd:/ and there appear drag/dropable wav files, in audiocd:/MP3 mp3 files, also FLAC and OggVorbis if the appropriate encoders are installed |
| 20:38.06 | junix | nope |
| 20:38.06 | rahul | now shush before you bother us more |
| 20:38.08 | karsten | Tigger_`: Shut up. Keep it on topic. Shut up. Leave. |
| 20:38.13 | Azar | Tigger needs some time out of here to reflect on his remarks |
| 20:38.20 | abrotman | junix: i find it a wee bit odd that it's using modules that don't exist |
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| 20:38.24 | abrotman | or rather .. aren't loaded |
| 20:38.31 | abrotman | junix: modprobe nvidia .. whatdoes it say / |
| 20:38.44 | mindframe | Tigger_`, freenode is full of easily agitated technical minds. be careful what you say. :) |
| 20:38.50 | karsten | jelly-home: I *have* noticed that konq handles some audio playback internally. |
| 20:38.50 | Tigger_` | ok serious now |
| 20:38.55 | junix | abrotman: it returned another prompt |
| 20:39.01 | abrotman | junix: lsmod | grep nvidia .. see it ? |
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| 20:39.05 | Tigger_` | i have a question |
| 20:39.08 | junix | abrotman: MEGATRON:~# lsmod |grep nvidia |
| 20:39.08 | junix | nvidia 4549908 0 |
| 20:39.08 | junix | i2c_core 19680 2 nvidia,i2c_i801 |
| 20:39.08 | junix | agpgart 29896 2 nvidia,intel_agp |
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| 20:39.11 | abrotman | so ask already |
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| 20:39.21 | abrotman | junix: try to startx now |
| 20:39.22 | bzed | !nickometer Tigger_` |
| 20:39.24 | dpkg | 'Tigger_`' is 38.000% lame, bzed |
| 20:39.29 | junix | abrotman: ok |
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| 20:39.33 | xingu | ok just for the record nmi_watchdog and modern hardware is a crap shoot |
| 20:39.33 | jelly-home | karsten: using a second konqueror window you can drag eg. files from audiocd:/MP3/ and it does automagical ripping and mp3 encoding. It also knows about CDDB somehow, so gets the metadata and id3 tags too |
| 20:39.38 | karsten | !tell junix about paster |
| 20:39.44 | maddash_ | haha i banned my landlord from our router |
| 20:39.46 | karsten | jelly-home: Slick. |
| 20:39.48 | xingu | unfortunely it's default-on for x86_64 |
| 20:39.59 | bzed | karsten: I still prefer grip, though |
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| 20:40.00 | Tigger_` | is there a way i can have a virtual printer in debian doc djvu docments ? |
| 20:40.03 | junix | karsten: thank you |
| 20:40.36 | Tigger_` | correction :- is there a way i can have a virtual printer in debian for doc djvu docments ? |
| 20:40.42 | junix | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/385365 |
| 20:40.47 | junix | x didn't wstart |
| 20:41.03 | Tigger_` | is there a way i can have a virtual printer in debian for djvu docments ? |
| 20:41.11 | karsten | !tell Tigger_` about repeat |
| 20:41.23 | bzed | Tigger_`: djvulibre-bin checked that package? |
| 20:41.26 | karsten | !ops Tigger_` mindless luser troll ban plskthxbye |
| 20:41.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: Tigger_` mindless luser troll ban plskthxbye |
| 20:41.29 | abrotman | junix: lsmod | grep ^nvidia .. see it ? |
| 20:41.30 | stew | karsten: ... |
| 20:41.36 | maddash_ | wow, massive speed-up |
| 20:41.56 | karsten | stew: Just making my views known. |
| 20:42.03 | junix | abrotman: yeah... |
| 20:42.08 | maddash_ | huh? what was that !ops for/ |
| 20:42.08 | stew | karsten: as soon as he finally asks an on-topic quesiton, then you call ops? |
| 20:42.10 | maddash_ | ? |
| 20:42.12 | abrotman | junix: it's still there ? |
| 20:42.16 | junix | abrotman: yep |
| 20:42.21 | Tigger_` | sorry i was correcting my typos |
| 20:42.23 | abrotman | junix: ask #nvidia .. see what they |
| 20:42.24 | karsten | stew: Same question. Four times. Nonparsably. |
| 20:42.26 | abrotman | !curse nvidia |
| 20:42.26 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nvidia! |
| 20:42.32 | junix | abrotman: ok, thanks for your help |
| 20:42.34 | hid3 | I've booted my debian appending `all-generic-ide root=/dev/hdi1` (unsupported IDE chipset). Everything boots fine, however, when I try cfdisk /dev/hdi, it claims such device does not exist. Neither exist hda-hdz... How can I cfdisk my drive or how to solve this problem? |
| 20:42.35 | abrotman | dpkg: that was useless |
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| 20:42.42 | abrotman | junix: once that's working .. we'll see if it still reboots |
| 20:43.02 | abrotman | junix: it's just that i don't know much about the binary blob stuff they use and the black magic required to make it vroooooom |
| 20:43.06 | junix | abrotman: it doesn't reboot, i have to reboot it, it comes to a screeching halt slowly, it locks up... |
| 20:43.12 | abrotman | ah ok .. |
| 20:43.15 | Azar | junix I use the GeForce2 MX 400 with my Debian Sarge.. |
| 20:43.22 | junix | Azar: cool |
| 20:43.26 | Tigger_` | so does anyone know ? |
| 20:43.34 | junix | abrotman: we'll discuss more later, i ahve to get back to work... blech! |
| 20:43.41 | abrotman | wait .. do you even need the nvidia binary stuff for GF2 ? |
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| 20:43.51 | junix | binary? |
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| 20:44.00 | abrotman | what you're using now |
| 20:44.06 | Azar | junix: after I installed the Debian base, I got the xserver, then performed the nvidia one-liner as shown by dpkg here. That all |
| 20:44.08 | junix | i don't think so...i could use the debian installer... |
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| 20:44.17 | bzed | abrotman: I think you need the -legacy package |
| 20:44.23 | Tigger_` | hey karsten , i do actualy help ppl too |
| 20:44.25 | peterS | didn't nvidia drop support for the GF2 in their main release? so you have to use an older snapshot for that one? |
| 20:44.25 | junix | bzed: agreed |
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| 20:44.50 | Azar | peterS: the nvidia one-liner from here works |
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| 20:45.17 | bzed | abrotman: nvidia-kernel-legacy-source and the other *-legacy stuff for gf2.... |
| 20:45.24 | Azar | ....unless he uses Debian Etch? |
| 20:45.28 | bzed | afait |
| 20:45.36 | blahdeblah | Does anyone here sync their PocketPC with Debian? If so, what tools do you use? I've tried to get both multisync and raki working and neither seems to see anything on my PPC. |
| 20:45.40 | junix | brb |
| 20:45.40 | wared | quit |
| 20:45.43 | Tigger_` | i didn't reapeat my question, i corrected it |
| 20:45.54 | earthian | hellop, can somebody tell me why compiz is not working on my computer? When I run " compiz --replace " the window decoration disapears and nothing happens... X seem to stop responding, except that mouse and keyboard still works. Xorg.0.log does not show any signs of errors.... i am trying this on my geforce 400mx 64m |
| 20:46.02 | bzed | Azar: uh, I think -legazy in etch and in sarge the normal source will do |
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| 20:46.45 | bzed | Tigger_`: did you check my answer? |
| 20:46.49 | Azar | bzed: the nvidia driver never worked for me, thanks to folks and dpkg here the one-liner works allways |
| 20:47.02 | abrotman | bzed: tell junix .. not me :) |
| 20:47.09 | ChaosR | how can one add things to the apt config when apt.conf is not there (I want to add APT::Default-Release "testing";) |
| 20:47.16 | bzed | Azar: you should never use that nvidia thing... it just won;t work :D |
| 20:47.17 | abrotman | create an apt.conf |
| 20:47.27 | Azar | :) yep |
| 20:47.29 | bzed | abrotman: no time for that :P exam tomorrw |
| 20:47.30 | karsten | stew: /msg |
| 20:47.31 | ChaosR | abrotman: for some reason, that won't work |
| 20:47.39 | abrotman | bzed: you're sure wasting a lot of time here :) |
| 20:48.03 | Azar | earthian: I guess your question would go ok on #compiz or #xorg |
| 20:48.25 | earthian | Azar, i am trying everywhere :) |
| 20:48.48 | Azar | earthian: If I knew I would tell you I have no idea tho about xorg or compiz |
| 20:48.59 | ChaosR | or, php5.2 is testing now |
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| 20:49.23 | Tigger_` | is there a way i can have a virtual printer in debian to output djvu docments from an application that can print such as pdf-viewer? |
| 20:49.32 | abrotman | dejavu ? |
| 20:49.36 | PDani_ | hi |
| 20:49.37 | Tigger_` | but any app will do |
| 20:49.58 | karsten | abrotman: GIYF. British cats aren't. |
| 20:50.06 | junix | bzed: ???? |
| 20:50.07 | Tigger_` | yeah dejavu or *.djvu |
| 20:50.14 | abrotman | karsten: eh ? |
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| 20:50.27 | abrotman | junix: you might need the legacy driver |
| 20:50.31 | junix | ok |
| 20:50.39 | junix | so for the one liner, what would i replace...? |
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| 20:51.09 | mikefoo | Question: I am on 3ware site gettting drivers for linux install for raid controller. Seems I need a .img for "driver disk" but it only gives me .ko, modules.cgz, etc files, hmm do I create the .img myself, or? |
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| 20:52.02 | PDani_ | i tried to open a logical volume (/dev/mapper/foo-bar) with cryptsetup luksOpen from the init-scripts of a debian initrd (/scripts/local-premount), but i got the following error message: device-mapper: table: device /dev/mapper/foo-bar too small for target |
| 20:52.03 | PDani_ | ... |
| 20:52.09 | bzed | mikefoo: you usually don;t need them at all, they shouyld ship with the standard kernel |
| 20:52.12 | Tigger_` | oh sorry bzed what was ur answer ? |
| 20:52.17 | PDani_ | what did i wrong? |
| 20:52.17 | EdLin | !ur |
| 20:52.18 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 20:52.21 | Tigger_` | i can't find it |
| 20:52.28 | bzed | Tigger_`: djvulibre-bin checked that package? |
| 20:52.31 | concept10 | I read somewhere that zsh offers better completion than bash. For example, will it complete apt-get se<Tab> ? for apt-get search? |
| 20:52.44 | karsten | mikefoo: I suspect that's what you wanted. The "img" file may simplay have been a set of files for a floppy disk or similar. |
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| 20:52.56 | dkr | concept10: you can program the completion that way( in either) |
| 20:53.04 | Miesco | Is there a program that tells the time? |
| 20:53.12 | abrotman | date ? |
| 20:53.12 | bzed | Miesco: date |
| 20:53.14 | Miesco | Digital clock |
| 20:53.18 | Miesco | NO for my desktop |
| 20:53.19 | dkr | concept10: I actually use tcsh, but I know bash copied that feature a few years ago |
| 20:53.20 | abrotman | xdaliclock! |
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| 20:53.27 | ft | concept10: <http://www.zshwiki.org/> |
| 20:53.27 | PDani_ | any idea? |
| 20:53.28 | Tigger_` | yes but it dosn't seem to print anything to a file unless i'm wrong |
| 20:53.29 | Miesco | xdali is digital? |
| 20:53.32 | karsten | Miesco: Several. |
| 20:53.34 | abrotman | best clock ever! .. even on solaris |
| 20:53.42 | bzed | Miesco: I think every desktop environment brings a clock for it's taskbar |
| 20:54.11 | karsten | Miesco: apt-cache search clock. Toss in your preferred desktop for specific-to-desktop utils. |
| 20:54.12 | concept10 | ft, dkr : thanks, i will spend some time with it today and see what it brings |
| 20:54.20 | bzed | Tigger_`: did you install the package? did you check the contents? did you think about.,. convertign a pdf... for example? |
| 20:54.23 | StyXman | hi all again. I'm having this problem: «spamd[11760]: Can't write to PID file: Permission denied». it's a debian sarge. /var/run is root.root 755. what should I do? |
| 20:54.37 | Tigger_` | yes bzed as much as i could |
| 20:54.43 | abrotman | StyXman: which UID is trying to write there ? |
| 20:54.44 | ft | concept10: there is a compsys quickstart in the wiki, takes you about 2 minutes to enable it. |
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| 20:54.56 | StyXman | abrotman: as spamd |
| 20:55.09 | Tigger_` | thats what i'm try to do but it must be a virtual print |
| 20:55.24 | bzed | StyXman: nah, spampd starts as root as far as I remember and forks into non-priviledged childs |
| 20:55.43 | StyXman | abrotman: obviously spamd has no perms to write. my question is more on the lines of «which is the best fix?» |
| 20:55.45 | Tigger_` | it is not possible to convert an encrypted pdf to a *.djvu |
| 20:55.55 | Azar | Miesco: I use gkrellm's clock |
| 20:56.13 | abrotman | StyXman: fix spamd ? .. either do like bzed said .. or have it write elsewhere |
| 20:56.26 | abrotman | such as /var/run/spamd/ |
| 20:56.33 | StyXman | abrotman: ok |
| 20:56.40 | Tigger_` | this is why it must be a virtual printer |
| 20:56.55 | xingu | hmm, that's interesting, my notebook has come out of suspend with one core governed by the performance governor and one by the conservative governor |
| 20:57.01 | bzed | Tigger_`: print a pdf from the pdf with a virtual pdf printer |
| 20:57.05 | boof | I setup a vserver host. Most of its vservers have a external and a internal IP, but not all. Only those which run public services. All IPs are aliased from eth0 but the vserver have a different subnet than the host and so different gateways. When I try to ping from an vserver with an external IP I have 100% packet loss. I added the route for the vserver subnet but this doesn't work. Can someone give me a hint or a solution? |
| 20:57.05 | Tigger_` | anyway gotta go dinners ready hoo hoo hoo TTFN! |
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| 20:57.09 | bzed | Tigger_`: and convert the printed pdf |
| 20:57.27 | Tigger_` | no! its got to be a djvu |
| 20:57.31 | dkr | concept10: here is mine for aptitude: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5587 |
| 20:57.58 | Tigger_` | i dont' wabt a pdf i got one |
| 20:58.09 | Tigger_` | i want a *.djvu |
| 20:58.12 | Miesco | xdaliclock is what im talking about, is there a way to make it be on every virtual desktop in evilwm? |
| 20:58.31 | Tigger_` | abyway bye for now TTFN! |
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| 20:58.56 | Miesco | I figured it out! |
| 20:59.09 | dkr | Miesco: that is usually called making an app "sticky" the docs probably say how |
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| 21:03.55 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:03.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 21:05.04 | Azar | that sounds like a rap lyric |
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| 21:05.18 | intruder | this is a rip from 50cents |
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| 21:06.02 | l3mr | i often have very slow internet access, but have my email on an imap server in the internet. is there a good way to create a local mirror of it and then propagate chances back to the 'original' server? |
| 21:06.58 | abrotman | some clients can cache or work offline |
| 21:07.34 | l3mr | abrotman: yeah i know but i'd like to have a full fledged local mirror if possible... |
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| 21:08.03 | abrotman | offline mode |
| 21:09.02 | l3mr | ok. thanks. |
| 21:09.08 | mikefoo | I have a modulez.cgz how would I create a .img so I can use driverdisk option in kickstart? anyone have an idea |
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| 21:11.39 | earthian | how do i know if I have AIGLX? |
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| 21:12.32 | asg | earthian: there is a certain prolonged itch in your nether regions |
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| 21:13.00 | earthian | asg, what do you mean? |
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| 21:13.44 | rgsteele | Does anyone know if there is somethign similar to PEAR's text_CAPTCHA for Sarge? I think if I try to implement it, I'll run into the issue this guy had here: http://dev.cmsmadesimple.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=585&forum_id=91 |
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| 21:14.25 | stoned | oh man I'm tired from all the packing |
| 21:14.33 | stoned | it is time to unplug the computer |
| 21:14.35 | stoned | :( |
| 21:14.52 | stoned | I will see you fellers in a few weeks or months |
| 21:15.29 | simonrvn | hopefully just weeks. take care, and safe home |
| 21:15.34 | jelly-home | asg: your STD joke missed the whole target! |
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| 21:15.50 | retard | how long more one should wait for etch... :( |
| 21:15.52 | stoned | you too bro |
| 21:15.56 | asg | jelly-home: yeah, such is life these days |
| 21:16.04 | mue | retard, why wait? |
| 21:16.18 | retard | mue...its not out... |
| 21:16.19 | retard | is it? |
| 21:16.29 | mue | retard, testing |
| 21:16.36 | retard | the testing image gives me some errors... |
| 21:16.37 | retard | :( |
| 21:17.00 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.06 | mue | retard, "some errors", what errors? |
| 21:17.06 | retard | i dont remember now...i tried in january |
| 21:17.31 | mue | just check it out, it's worth it |
| 21:17.44 | retard | indeed... :D |
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| 21:18.01 | retard | but i dont have time now...working on something... |
| 21:18.07 | retard | but a stable release would be great |
| 21:18.15 | retard | :D |
| 21:18.32 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 21:18.33 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
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| 21:18.41 | Azar | hmm Etch with Gnome Main menu looks very attractive, I predict that next year lots will drop Windows to have linux... very nice |
| 21:18.56 | retard | indeed |
| 21:19.26 | Ronin | get jiggy with it abrotman |
| 21:19.31 | Azar | http://debaday.debian.net/2007/03/07/gnome-main-menu-a-new-attractive-menu-for-the-gnome-environment/ |
| 21:19.32 | mue | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ <-- NICE! |
| 21:19.41 | Azar | hello honorable Ronin |
| 21:21.01 | eeyore- | "SIYH"? |
| 21:21.07 | EdLin | !siyh |
| 21:21.07 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 21:21.20 | EdLin | eeyore-: hi |
| 21:21.29 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 21:21.35 | Azar | hi mister eeyore- nice seeing you again :) |
| 21:21.47 | eeyore- | hey azar |
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| 21:24.47 | eeyore- | people will never drop windows for linux --- too intimidating. |
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| 21:25.54 | abrotman | eeyore-: you use gentoo ... |
| 21:26.14 | eeyore- | abrotman: and? :) |
| 21:26.34 | abrotman | show a windows "power user" that compiles his own crap .. not a developer .. a power usre |
| 21:26.36 | abrotman | user |
| 21:26.37 | pitillo | eeyore-, there are other distro more userfriendly :P |
| 21:27.17 | eeyore- | even so, things like being to eject media at any point in time without (much) repercussion ... linux can't do that unless you start "making" people run block-device proxy |
| 21:27.52 | Azar | eeyore-: yes will do and I feel next year will start the movement... slowly but will start, ubuntu is a start is made exactly for those mswindows addicts |
| 21:27.58 | abrotman | eeyore-: sure you can! |
| 21:28.20 | sohmestra | I've got an IBM thinkpad t22 running etch. If I use gnome power manager to try to put the computer to sleep or hibernate, it fails, but if I do: echo 'disk' > /sys/power/state; It hibernates perfectly. |
| 21:28.22 | stew | eeyore-: use pmount which mounts things with sync |
| 21:28.40 | sohmestra | any ideas how I can get my laptop to sleep via gnome? |
| 21:28.54 | Azar | even the "hard-to-understand" debian with Etch will crush some hearts.. |
| 21:30.00 | Azar | sohmestra: I might goof on this but I have a feeling I saw something about this switch in the bios? |
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| 21:30.25 | eeyore- | abrotman: btw, i gave up with xine. i have been having weeeeeeeeird problem with xine on one computer just "crash" (either stops playing .vob stream or just "lock up") but the same streams work fine with another xine. similar hardware (ati, fglrx) ... i even take the one working binary + libs and put it on the system that doesn't work, and same thing happen |
| 21:30.29 | Azar | ...well at least on my 4 year old PC |
| 21:30.44 | eeyore- | abrotman: so now, i've gone back to "radeon" driver + mythtv "internal" playback. :-p |
| 21:30.49 | sohmestra | Azar: maybe, but it _does_ work, just not from gnome. |
| 21:31.04 | sohmestra | Azar: which makes me think that isn't it. |
| 21:31.12 | Azar | sohmestra: maybe because the bios is not set to activate it? |
| 21:31.32 | hark | sohmestra: are you part of the powerdev group? |
| 21:31.58 | sohmestra | hark: hmm. no. |
| 21:32.05 | Azar | mr hark to the rescue! I had no idea there is a powerdev group |
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| 21:32.56 | Azar | so hark nice to bring this out where could I see all the type of groups that are there? |
| 21:33.16 | sohmestra | Azar: cat /etc/group |
| 21:33.25 | Azar | thanks :) going to check |
| 21:33.39 | hark | sohmestra: /usr/share/doc/gnome-power-manager/ |
| 21:34.28 | sohmestra | hark: I've added myself to powerdev, logged out/in, and no luck |
| 21:35.19 | sohmestra | hark: suspend says that there was an error trying to suspend (nothing specific), but attempting to hibernate says specifically that HAL failed to hibernate. |
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| 21:40.49 | rgsteele | !etch |
| 21:40.49 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 21:42.56 | rgsteele | !etch-release |
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| 21:43.21 | rgsteele | Bah, anyone got the keyword for that handy? (I know it just says "when it's ready"... but wishful thinking here) |
| 21:43.33 | dondelelcaro | !wwer |
| 21:43.33 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 21:43.44 | rgsteele | Groovy, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 21:44.00 | Malagmyr | I installed apache2 and phpmyadmin and put an alias to /var/www/phpmyadmin in my site config. phpmyadmin shows up when I go to http://mysite/phpmyadmin/ but I can't log in, even as root. What am I missing? I just installed phpmyadmin with apt-get. dunno where or how to configure users. |
| 21:44.05 | abrotman | eeyore-: so stop using gentoo! :) |
| 21:44.23 | farruinn | Malagmyr: you need mysql users |
| 21:45.01 | farruinn | I'll be installing debian on a couple of Dell 2200 and 4400 servers this weekend. Any recommendations on stable vs testing? |
| 21:45.07 | rgsteele | Malagmyr: Pretty sure phpmyadmin won't let you log in as root unless you explicitly allow it to do so. |
| 21:45.16 | rgsteele | Malagmyr: At least, that's how phppgadmin is. |
| 21:45.31 | kromagg | ooh I gotta join that pool, I'm so going to win |
| 21:45.50 | zinx | Malagmyr: it has a different password, i believe |
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| 21:46.10 | Malagmyr | ah, so I need to make a mysql user other than root, then? |
| 21:46.19 | rgsteele | farruinn: Go with Sarge, and pray for Etch isn't 8 months away. Or, if you want to be more realistic, pray for a giant golden asteroid to land in your front lawn tomorrow morning. |
| 21:46.28 | rgsteele | s/for/that/ |
| 21:47.12 | DocPlatypus | farruinn: I would go ahead and install testing and upgrade to etch when it comes out |
| 21:47.15 | eeyore- | Malagmyr: mysql's "root" user isn't the same as linux root user |
| 21:47.17 | kromagg | hmm can somebody fix etch pool 2? |
| 21:47.19 | DocPlatypus | this close to a release, testing is pretty safe |
| 21:47.29 | zinx | Malagmyr: you need to browse /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/ |
| 21:47.29 | rgsteele | DocPlatypus: Not so. |
| 21:48.00 | DocPlatypus | rgsteele: that's bad advice you say? |
| 21:48.04 | rgsteele | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00008.html |
| 21:48.39 | rgsteele | Still plenty of release-critical bugs. |
| 21:49.03 | Ronin | rgsteele: 87ish? |
| 21:49.12 | rgsteele | If I had to bet my late nights and paycheck on it, I'd use Sarge, even though it pains me to use such outdated packages. |
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| 21:49.42 | Ronin | rgsteele: addict |
| 21:49.42 | rgsteele | Ronin: Approaching the triple digits :) |
| 21:49.54 | brussells | debian newbie here but have a question regarding apache on etch.....right place to ask? |
| 21:50.09 | rgsteele | Ronin: Heh. I'm saving myself a caffeine addiction! |
| 21:50.10 | Ronin | brussells: good as place as any to start |
| 21:50.17 | DocPlatypus | depending on what kind of server, I'd only bet my late nights and paycheck on one of the BSD-descended OSes |
| 21:50.17 | brussells | ok...cool...here goes |
| 21:50.34 | Ronin | !distrowar |
| 21:50.36 | Ronin | doh |
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| 21:50.51 | rgsteele | DocPlatypus: Naaah. Debian's stable releases are pretty rock-solid. Besides, you can't win a BSD > Debian argument here ;) |
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| 21:51.02 | Ronin | no kidding :) |
| 21:51.15 | Ronin | and honestly etch is pretty damn stable at this point too |
| 21:51.16 | DocPlatypus | rgsteele: I use Debian for boxes which have to fulfill a workstation role at least in part |
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| 21:52.19 | rgsteele | DocPlatypus: All of my webservers and database servers are Debian. Maintenance dream. |
| 21:52.19 | DocPlatypus | but I would only rarely use it for a dedicated server |
| 21:52.19 | brussells | at the moment my website is hosted in /var/www/apache2-default and i've pointed my domain to the IP of the server, but when i browse i get www.mydomain.co.uk/apache2-default in the address bar....how do i get rid of the apache2-default bit in the ad bar please? |
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| 21:52.31 | DocPlatypus | *maybe* once the GNU/Hurd becomes more feasible, or a future GNU/kOpenBSD port becomes reality |
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| 21:53.39 | phreqmod | Hurd is in transition from K4 to the new EROS work... interesting stuff, but unfortunatly brings with it more delay |
| 21:53.59 | rgsteele | DocPlatypus: Why? |
| 21:54.47 | DocPlatypus | rgsteele: I don't particularly like the idea of using the kernel, Linux, on servers |
| 21:55.03 | brussells | anyone able to help with my question please? |
| 21:55.23 | Ronin | brussells: patience |
| 21:55.24 | DocPlatypus | in general I don't like the kernel, Linux |
| 21:55.33 | phreqmod | brussels, I'll give it a shot, just a sec |
| 21:55.39 | brussells | ok cool |
| 21:55.47 | Phil2 | lighttpd runs as user www-data which is in the groups www-data and windowalbum. The dir /home/windowalbum/ (and all sub dirs under it) are owned by windowalbum:windowalbum and are chmodded to 0750. light is trying to access /home/windowalbum/public_html/ but is giving access denied. if I give that dir global read permissions, it can read it fine. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 21:55.52 | DocPlatypus | I will happily move to GNU/Hurd once it's more usable |
| 21:57.28 | rgsteele | DocPlatypus: I roll my own based on the core available from the Linux kernel. Works great for me. |
| 21:57.32 | wols_ | brussells: vhosts |
| 21:58.17 | brussells | name based? |
| 21:58.18 | brussells | i was looking at this today but i dont think i've set it up |
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| 21:59.18 | brussells | but as long as it willl solve the problem, once it's configured correctly, then i'll be happy that vhosts are the answer |
| 22:00.02 | brussells | gotta run |
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| 22:00.17 | phreqmod_ | re |
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| 22:01.23 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 22:04.35 | Phil2 | does Debian have permission issues...? |
| 22:04.43 | xand | ? |
| 22:04.47 | dondelelcaro | Phil2: like what? |
| 22:04.52 | Phil2 | I just added myself, user phil to the group windowalbum |
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| 22:05.07 | Phil2 | the dir /home/windowalbum/ is chmod 0750 and chowned to windowalbum:windowalbum |
| 22:05.08 | dondelelcaro | Phil2: you need to log out and log back in |
| 22:05.12 | Phil2 | yet phil cannot access it |
| 22:05.14 | Phil2 | oh, I see |
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| 22:05.33 | dondelelcaro | Phil2: until id; reports you as being in that group, you're not in that group. |
| 22:05.34 | phreqmod_ | Phil2, new groups enter in efect after logout. This could mean restarting X if you did that in an xterm. |
| 22:05.55 | Phil2 | would that be the same problem as lighttpd is facing? |
| 22:06.02 | dury | is it possible to install this distro in a pentium I MMX 166Mhz, 132MB RAM, 1 HD-> 6GB, 2 HD -> 2,3 |
| 22:06.05 | Phil2 | I did restart it, but it still cannot access the group |
| 22:06.07 | dondelelcaro | dury: yes |
| 22:06.11 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 22:06.18 | dondelelcaro | wols_: no! |
| 22:06.25 | wols_ | doh! |
| 22:06.26 | wols_ | dury: yes |
| 22:06.52 | wols_ | dury: but don't use gnome or kde if you wanna actually do somethin |
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| 22:07.42 | dury | which desktop environment then wols_ |
| 22:07.55 | wols_ | Phil2: run /usr/bin/groups, to see in what group you currently are |
| 22:08.06 | wols_ | xfce, *box, windowmaker, etc |
| 22:08.09 | DavidProck1981 | hi |
| 22:08.14 | Phil2 | I know that wols_ |
| 22:08.15 | hark | sohmestra: sorry, the battery ran out.. does it hibernate now? |
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| 22:08.26 | dury | fluxbox |
| 22:08.36 | Phil2 | but the httpd runs as www-data, which is in the windowalbum group |
| 22:08.47 | Phil2 | but it seems it cannot get access to the files |
| 22:08.50 | stray_ | dury, fluxbox is good ;) |
| 22:08.53 | DavidProck1981 | is it possible for debian to run on a fat32 |
| 22:08.54 | wols_ | su www-data |
| 22:09.06 | xand | DavidProck1981: no |
| 22:09.07 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: not really |
| 22:09.08 | stew | DavidProck1981: no, fat32 doesn't have permissions |
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| 22:09.22 | Phil2 | I can access it like that |
| 22:09.26 | stray_ | dury, what do you plan to use this box for? |
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| 22:09.29 | wols_ | UMSDOS can do it in a way afaik, but you get more problems than it's good for you and UMSDOS is deprecated |
| 22:10.33 | dury | stray_: to control the other pc in the network |
| 22:10.44 | dury | sorry pcs |
| 22:10.52 | sohmestra | hark: no, it still doesn't hibernate |
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| 22:11.06 | wols_ | control how? remote desktop/vnc? |
| 22:11.06 | ppg | hello, I'm probably the 1000001th person to ask about DST zoneinfo changes, but I'm running Sarge AMD64 and I don't have a tzdata package, nor can I seem to find anything by googling specific to my install for updating zoneinfo on AMD64.. can anyone point me to what I am missing? |
| 22:11.22 | hark | sohmestra: hmm, you may have to reboot or restart dbus as well |
| 22:11.26 | n3kl_ | Anyone know of a good tutorial for ssl installation on apache? There was one called myiddr, er something like that I remember... |
| 22:11.32 | disposable | how do i stop apache from displaying my distribution name and its version? i've added 'ServerTokens Prod' to /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and restarted apache, but to no avail. |
| 22:11.40 | dury | that has also network card in it |
| 22:11.41 | wols_ | there is no debian sarge for amd64 afaik |
| 22:11.49 | sohmestra | hark: it looks like the scripts in /usr/lib/hal/scripts/ don't do anything either. they say that there is no backend for my OS |
| 22:12.07 | sohmestra | hark: ah, I'll try restarting dbus |
| 22:12.16 | ppg | wols_: well, thats odd, since it seems to be what is on my server :) |
| 22:12.35 | wols_ | ppg: vrey odd since sarge for amd64 is clearly marked "unofficial" |
| 22:12.46 | dury | what are the steps to install fluxbox |
| 22:12.47 | wols_ | ppg: update to etch. that is official and supported |
| 22:13.01 | wols_ | dury: apt-gte install x-window-system fluxbox |
| 22:13.05 | ppg | wols_: ok, no hope of manually updating the zoneinfo? |
| 22:13.21 | DavidProck1981 | what type of partion would be best if you are going to be reading and wrighting to it from windows and linux/debian (back and forth between the os'es) NOT to have an os installed on, just personal stuff |
| 22:13.25 | stew | ppg: /msg dpkg dst change (/topic) |
| 22:13.31 | wols_ | ppg: there probably is a way. download the stuff from sarge/i386 and look |
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| 22:13.58 | stew | ppg: you don't have to upgrade to etch, amd64 is officually supported under sarge |
| 22:14.27 | dury | wols_: but first install the base system isn't it |
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| 22:14.59 | ppg | stew: well thats good to hear, it'd be a serious PITA to upgrade this thing that quick |
| 22:15.02 | sohmestra | hark: yeah, that did it. thanks. |
| 22:15.39 | hark | sohmestra: ah, so that was it :) cool. does suspend work for you? |
| 22:15.49 | wols_ | stew: where? |
| 22:15.56 | wols_ | dury: obviously |
| 22:16.09 | stew | wols_: where what? |
| 22:16.18 | wols_ | a amd64 install image |
| 22:16.24 | stew | wols_: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 22:16.49 | dury | wols_: which image iso? |
| 22:17.02 | wols_ | dury: anyone you like for i386 |
| 22:17.19 | sohmestra | hark: yeah suspend works. I didn't try hibernate after restarting dbus. |
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| 22:18.00 | wols_ | "now official, will be a supported arch on Etch". http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ says "unofficial sarge release" too |
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| 22:18.26 | wols_ | dury: use a netinstall or a business card if you have a network |
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| 22:19.40 | dury | wols_: debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso for instance? |
| 22:19.51 | wols_ | yes |
| 22:19.58 | hark | iirc, amd64 is not official for sarge.. |
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| 22:20.03 | wols_ | what network card does this p166 have? |
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| 22:20.41 | earthian | how do I manage compiz in debian/etch with gnome? i fail to see any tool that could allow me enable/disable features :( |
| 22:20.51 | earthian | i think i have installed some? |
| 22:20.51 | shad0w1e | hey, could someone help me populate my sources.list file? |
| 22:20.55 | hark | earthian: gconf |
| 22:21.04 | hark | shad0w1e: debian version? |
| 22:21.09 | wols_ | !tell shad0w1e about mirrors |
| 22:21.09 | shad0w1e | sarge |
| 22:21.14 | sohmestra | hark: suspend works, but when I attempt to hibernate the screen just blinks for a bit, then everything comes back up. |
| 22:21.16 | shad0w1e | err sarge ARM |
| 22:21.22 | wols_ | then apt-setup shad0w1e |
| 22:21.30 | sohmestra | hark: gotta split, but thanks for the help. |
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| 22:21.35 | dury | wols_: realtek 8910 I guess |
| 22:21.41 | hark | sohmestra: np, gl |
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| 22:22.02 | hark | earthian: should be in /apps/compiz |
| 22:22.10 | dury | wols_: I'm not sure |
| 22:22.31 | wols_ | dury: me neither since I neevr heard of such a realtek chip |
| 22:22.34 | earthian | hark, yeah found... but that is pretty hard to use :/ |
| 22:22.39 | earthian | thanks anyway |
| 22:22.43 | wols_ | dury: is there anything running on the lappie right now? |
| 22:22.50 | shad0w1e | thanks wols_ |
| 22:22.50 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know if the "asus striker extreme" fully works on linux/debian |
| 22:23.07 | bzed | DavidProck1981: wtf is that? |
| 22:23.08 | wols_ | !tell DavidProck1981 about hcl |
| 22:23.15 | dury | what you mean |
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| 22:23.19 | wols_ | bzed: gamer mainboard with nvidia i680 or so |
| 22:23.23 | DavidProck1981 | its a mother board |
| 22:23.31 | wols_ | dury: any OS or software on that notebook? |
| 22:23.45 | shad0w1e | im running debian on my NAS box :P |
| 22:23.46 | bzed | wols_: ah ok :) |
| 22:23.55 | kalila | I have a list of path/to/file:line-number , I wanna loop through it and get the path and the number into variables |
| 22:23.56 | earthian | hark, is there any transparency? |
| 22:23.57 | dury | which notebook |
| 22:23.59 | kalila | any awk-fu masters?# |
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| 22:24.11 | bzed | !tell kalila about ask |
| 22:24.14 | wols_ | oh. thought it was a notebook the P166. so what is running on that machine right now? |
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| 22:24.30 | hark | earthian: i don't use it now, but there used to be.. ctrl + mouse wheel UP/DOWN iirc |
| 22:24.44 | hark | or something.. |
| 22:24.45 | dury | the one I'm using right now? |
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| 22:24.48 | kalila | bzed: read up, question was already asked |
| 22:25.03 | kalila | channel too damn fast to type 4 words! |
| 22:25.17 | stew | wols_: hark: amd64 was not an official release, but it is officially supported and updated by the security team regardless |
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| 22:25.53 | wols_ | stew: then both dpkg and the amd64 project site which distributes sarge binaries needs an update |
| 22:26.11 | bzed | kalila: aah sorry. do you want to do that in awk completely? or is it just a shellscript. I could help you with that, but not if you're awking only |
| 22:26.26 | stew | wols_: why? |
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| 22:26.34 | wols_ | cause it's misinformation otherwise |
| 22:26.38 | stew | wols_: what is? |
| 22:26.53 | wols_ | the it stands right now |
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| 22:26.55 | kalila | bzed: i just want to print those two parts for use, feel free to use anything |
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| 22:26.57 | hark | wols_: the site provides that info |
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| 22:27.13 | dury | wols_: it's bloody win32 |
| 22:27.16 | wols_ | cause even if you google, you won't find anything about sarge64 being officual or supported |
| 22:27.23 | wols_ | hark: which site? |
| 22:27.30 | hark | wols_: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 22:27.31 | wols_ | dury: go into device manager then and look |
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| 22:27.50 | Balloon | what program would be used to replace a text string in all files in a directory? |
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| 22:27.56 | petemc | sed |
| 22:28.05 | hark | it mentions that the Debian Security Team supports updates for it |
| 22:28.06 | fasta | How do I get a kernel completely without AGPGART without compiling it myself? |
| 22:28.06 | dury | ok |
| 22:28.32 | mstuefer | hi, why does my sshd start only in debug mode? if I start in via init.d or manualy it doesn't anything. some suggestions? thanks! |
| 22:28.37 | fasta | AGPGART is _really_ bad for 3d performance |
| 22:28.47 | wols_ | fasta: any reason for this? if the GART drivers are all modules you could rename/delete them |
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| 22:28.49 | fasta | (on my hardware) |
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| 22:29.06 | bzed | kalila: sed 's,:, ,g' yourfilewiththelist | while read i,j; do somethingwith $i; somethingwith $j; done |
| 22:29.08 | wols_ | fasta: makes no sense. DRI maybe? |
| 22:29.11 | SnarceZ | hi all |
| 22:29.26 | SnarceZ | I've some problems with gaim... |
| 22:29.28 | h3sp4wn | fasta: What brand of video card are you using ? |
| 22:29.30 | fasta | wols_: I also don't understand it |
| 22:29.32 | kalila | bzed: hah brilliant, wish I had that unix-fu |
| 22:29.34 | fasta | h3sp4wn: nvidia |
| 22:29.57 | h3sp4wn | fasta: Option "NvAGP" |
| 22:29.59 | karsten | !tell SnarceZ about aask |
| 22:30.00 | SnarceZ | i've refreshed all the settings and tried to upgrade to the last version |
| 22:30.01 | karsten | !tell SnarceZ about ask |
| 22:30.06 | bzed | kalila: :) |
| 22:30.09 | fasta | h3sp4wn: It's set to 1 |
| 22:30.18 | fasta | h3sp4wn: I know that file by heart ;) |
| 22:30.20 | SnarceZ | but it stills remains the same |
| 22:30.25 | karsten | fasta: Get someone to compile it for you ;-) |
| 22:30.26 | SnarceZ | and i cannot connect |
| 22:30.36 | fasta | karsten: I can compile it myself |
| 22:30.37 | SnarceZ | it says something like |
| 22:30.42 | kalila | bzed: though: bash: read: `i,j': not a valid identifier |
| 22:30.43 | fasta | karsten: I just don't feel the need to do it anymore. |
| 22:30.45 | bzed | SnarceZ: ONE LINE |
| 22:30.48 | karsten | !tell SnarceZ about smart questions |
| 22:30.59 | karsten | !tell SnarceZ about paste |
| 22:31.03 | karsten | !tell SnarceZ about paster |
| 22:31.07 | Ronin | heh |
| 22:31.09 | bzed | SnarceZ: not 12312312414124 within 123 minutes, so nobody knows anything at the end and it's jsut spam |
| 22:31.11 | h3sp4wn | fasta: You could blacklist it |
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| 22:31.15 | SnarceZ | sorry |
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| 22:31.20 | fasta | h3sp4wn: didn't work last time |
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| 22:31.28 | karsten | SnarceZ: Pardon the !tells, but we're trying to avoid some common goofs here. |
| 22:31.42 | bzed | SnarceZ: are you on sarge, trying to connect to aim or icq? |
| 22:32.18 | kalila | bzed: sed 's,:, ,g' list.txt | while read i ; read j; do echo $i; echo $j; done |
| 22:32.25 | mstuefer | hi, why does my sshd start only in debug mode? if I start in via init.d or manualy it doesn't anything. and in debug mode no errors! some suggestions? thanks! |
| 22:32.30 | bzed | kalila: no, read i, j |
| 22:32.40 | kalila | same pb |
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| 22:32.59 | karsten | mstuefer: Check your config files. Strace sshd. |
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| 22:33.09 | stew | mstuefer: what version of debian? |
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| 22:33.28 | mstuefer | stew: sarge |
| 22:33.37 | stew | mstuefer: try "dpkg-reconfigure ssh" |
| 22:33.51 | bzed | kalila: err, damn... read i j |
| 22:34.01 | bzed | kalila: sorry, I'm in python with my brain |
| 22:34.02 | mstuefer | karsten: sshd -f /etc/sshd/sshd_config -ddd -> no problems |
| 22:34.09 | mstuefer | stew: I just reinstalled it |
| 22:34.17 | mstuefer | stew: apt-get install --reinstall ssh |
| 22:34.29 | mstuefer | stew: and also a purge before and a install after |
| 22:34.33 | mstuefer | stew: but no way |
| 22:35.05 | SnarceZ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.17 | mstuefer | stew: it is strange, because sshd -d starts normaly on 22 and works fine. no strange errors but using init.d or only 'sshd' it doesn't anything. I can't understand. |
| 22:35.37 | karsten | SnarceZ: Can you reach the server and port directly from where you're at? Any intervening firewalls? What server? |
| 22:35.43 | kalila | bzed: true |
| 22:35.58 | creature | I have two interfaces for my wifi card. eth0 and wlan0_rename. Is there a good reason for this, and can I turn one off? |
| 22:36.01 | fasta | SnarceZ: what version? Connect to what? |
| 22:36.44 | SnarceZ | karsten: i've a router but i've never had any problems... and for exemple amsn works good... |
| 22:36.47 | bzed | SnarceZ: are you on sarge, trying to connect to aim or icq? |
| 22:37.10 | fasta | SnarceZ: uhm, are you running amsn and gaim? |
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| 22:37.13 | SnarceZ | fasta: i've just upgraded to the last |
| 22:37.21 | Ronin | SnarceZ: define latest and from where? |
| 22:37.22 | SnarceZ | bzed: sid |
| 22:37.24 | fasta | SnarceZ: are you running _both_? |
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| 22:37.42 | fasta | SnarceZ: it's easier for us if _you_ make the effort to find the version number |
| 22:37.46 | mstuefer | buona sera, |
| 22:37.49 | mstuefer | sry |
| 22:37.55 | bzed | SnarceZ: and which service can;t you conenct to? |
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| 22:38.16 | fasta | bzed: MSN |
| 22:38.16 | stew | mstuefer: maybe try "bash -x /etc/init.d/ssh restart" to see what the init script is doing? |
| 22:38.25 | stew | mstuefer: and have you checked /var/log/auth.log? |
| 22:38.26 | fasta | bzed: you can deduce that since he used amsn |
| 22:38.34 | bzed | SnarceZ: what says gaim --version ? |
| 22:38.36 | SnarceZ | fasta: 2.0.0 beta5... it doesn't works even if amsn is not running |
| 22:38.42 | Ronin | fasta: but we all know what assume breaks down as :) |
| 22:38.52 | SnarceZ | bzed: msn |
| 22:39.03 | bzed | SnarceZ: beta6 works just fine for me |
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| 22:39.13 | fasta | SnarceZ: I used that exact same version on x86 hardware. It worked here. |
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| 22:39.28 | fasta | SnarceZ: have you tried running gaim for the command line? |
| 22:39.36 | fasta | SnarceZ: or what does the debug log say? |
| 22:39.39 | bzed | SnarceZ: beta5 worked fine for me, too |
| 22:39.45 | fasta | SnarceZ: There's an option in the GUI that shows it. |
| 22:39.51 | bzed | SnarceZ: probably just a msn problem which will go away |
| 22:39.53 | SnarceZ | fasta: coult it be dipending on static ip? |
| 22:40.01 | fasta | SnarceZ: did you check that the msn server is online now?? |
| 22:40.11 | Ronin | SnarceZ: dont think so, im on msn now with an older version of gaim and it works |
| 22:40.16 | mstuefer | stew: thanks, I always looked at syslog instead auth.log... uff, I forgot auth.log. |
| 22:40.19 | fasta | SnarceZ: it could be a million things |
| 22:40.26 | Ronin | much older version actually |
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| 22:40.31 | bzed | SnarceZ: usually it's jsut microsoft |
| 22:40.31 | mstuefer | stew: it says: fatal: daemon() failed: Success |
| 22:40.42 | Ronin | heh |
| 22:40.46 | mstuefer | stew: another point of view ;) now I chech on google |
| 22:40.52 | mstuefer | s/chech/check |
| 22:40.57 | stew | mstuefer: you are running it as root, right? |
| 22:41.11 | mstuefer | stew: yes |
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| 22:42.05 | fasta | acroread is BLOATED (almost 24MB) :( |
| 22:42.09 | concept10 | damn, zsh is good stuff |
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| 22:42.27 | Ronin | fasta: heaven forbid, 24mb!!!!! |
| 22:42.28 | smacnay | What is a command-line way to record audio from an input jack? |
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| 22:42.39 | mstuefer | stew: wtf |
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| 22:42.47 | mstuefer | stew: maybe I have the problem |
| 22:42.52 | karsten | smacnay: rec |
| 22:43.03 | mstuefer | stew: /dev/null is a normal file not a char . uff!!! |
| 22:43.08 | stew | doh |
| 22:43.27 | karsten | mstuefer: You've probably clobbered it as root. |
| 22:43.46 | karsten | mstuefer: rm /dev/null; mknod /dev/null c 1 3 |
| 22:43.48 | d00d_ | wtf |
| 22:43.50 | d00d_ | ftp.us.debian.org:80 is down |
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| 22:44.01 | stew | mstuefer: cd /dev ; rm null ; MAKEDEV std |
| 22:44.07 | Ronin | d00d_: it happens |
| 22:44.15 | mstuefer | karsten: done. now it works. thanks |
| 22:44.22 | mstuefer | stew: it was /dev/null |
| 22:44.27 | mstuefer | stew: thanks |
| 22:44.35 | karsten | d00d_: Try again. That's round-robin. |
| 22:44.38 | stew | mstuefer: yes, null is part of makedev's 'std' group |
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| 22:44.41 | stew | err MAKEDEV |
| 22:44.58 | kalila | bzed: how to make sed operate on one line only of input? e.g line 323 |
| 22:45.01 | d00d_ | still |
| 22:45.21 | karsten | d00d_: 204.152.191.7 appears to be down. |
| 22:45.28 | karsten | d00d_: It's one of three hosts responding. |
| 22:45.36 | bzed | kalila: what do you mean? |
| 22:45.43 | mstuefer | stew: yeah I know, it happens because they had a power failure. so now I will go on :) thanks a lot |
| 22:45.50 | d00d_ | Do you any good ones from us ? |
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| 22:45.58 | kalila | bzed: eg s/ok//g on line 232 only, but nothing else |
| 22:45.58 | bzed | kalila: just one like /foo/bar:234 ? |
| 22:46.00 | karsten | kalila: sed -e '323 { <stuff> }' < file |
| 22:46.04 | John2583 | i just setup apache/php4 on an amd64 stable system and i'm trying to figure out why a phpinfo() is working fine but no other php files are |
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| 22:46.20 | mateuszk | Hi, when I start startx -- :1 -depth 16 vt8 then keyboard doesnt work on new session, any help with that plz ? |
| 22:46.22 | mstuefer | bye |
| 22:46.30 | karsten | kalila: sed -e '323 {s/ok//g}' file |
| 22:47.07 | kalila | cool, thanks karsten , bzed |
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| 22:47.21 | bzed | kalila: if you're usre it's the last line you could jsut use tail -1 |
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| 22:47.47 | loquitus_of_borg | I am wondering. I have a process running that, whenever it runs, seems to cause the system's free memory to dwindle down to 2 MB or so and then the process becomes non-functional. The process only seems to be taking 5 MB according to top but it causes 40 MB or so of system memory to vanish. When I close the process, that lost system memory does not come back... what's the deal? |
| 22:48.11 | kalila | bzed: I see, but the lines are rather random |
| 22:48.14 | kalila | not last |
| 22:48.26 | bzed | ah ok |
| 22:48.28 | pngwn | mateuszk, try 'startx -- :1 vt8 -bpp 16' |
| 22:48.40 | bzed | kalila: if it's a long file you probably want to use python or so!? |
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| 22:48.53 | stew | loquitus_of_borg: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 22:49.02 | nyot | hi all |
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| 22:50.09 | mateuszk | pngwn, same problem |
| 22:50.15 | mateuszk | pngwn, mouse works |
| 22:50.18 | Azar | mateuszk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg) configure your keyboard correctly |
| 22:50.31 | mateuszk | Azar, keyboard works in my primary X session |
| 22:50.51 | mateuszk | Azar, however when I start second one everything works except keyboard |
| 22:51.03 | mateuszk | Azar, and I have to logout in order to write to You like now |
| 22:51.10 | Azar | hmm nice trick I never used two X sessions |
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| 22:51.31 | karsten | Azar: I do it pretty frequently. |
| 22:51.37 | mateuszk | karsten, and ? |
| 22:51.38 | karsten | Azar: If you like that, you'll love xnest |
| 22:51.52 | Azar | karsten: I never thought of it because I never need that... |
| 22:51.55 | karsten | mateuszk: nand? |
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| 22:52.07 | PRoland | hello. I have a problem |
| 22:52.11 | CrippsFX | is it possible, through alsa, to prevent a program from using the soundcard so that another can use the soundcard? |
| 22:52.13 | karsten | !tell PRoland about ask |
| 22:52.15 | Ronin | PRoland: dont we all? |
| 22:52.22 | karsten | Azar: Also xephyr |
| 22:52.23 | PRoland | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.lug.ro stable/iptables+imq Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.lug.ro_debian_dists_stable_iptables+imq_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:52.24 | PRoland | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 22:52.27 | phreqmod | CrippsFX, better to allow simultaneous access |
| 22:52.32 | PRoland | apt-get update won't do |
| 22:52.33 | mateuszk | karsten, I started it from console while having one session opened however keyboard doesnt work and I cant even switch to console |
| 22:52.52 | Ronin | PRoland: tried a different mirror? |
| 22:52.52 | stew | PRoland: what happens when you run "apt-get update"? |
| 22:52.55 | karsten | PRoland: Some mirrors are out of sync somewhat cronically. Might change your apt sources. /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 22:52.58 | CrippsFX | phreqmod, well, how I do I do that when one of the progs is already claiming the sound card? |
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| 22:53.00 | mateuszk | karsten, Can I play OpenGL game in XNest ? |
| 22:53.16 | CrippsFX | mateuszk, yes .... slowly |
| 22:53.23 | phreqmod | CrippsFX, which should use if every program used ALSA. Try "aoss <program name>" to run OSS programs |
| 22:53.26 | mateuszk | CrippsFX, :) |
| 22:53.26 | karsten | mateuszk: Unaccelerated. Not sure about xepher, which may be better about that. |
| 22:53.31 | karsten | xephyr. |
| 22:53.50 | Azar | so karsten one example of needing to run 2 X sessions? |
| 22:54.00 | PRoland | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5588 |
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| 22:54.16 | mateuszk | karsten, how to use OpenGL with acceleration while having access to skype and firefox for example :) ? |
| 22:54.20 | Azar | oh for full screen games? |
| 22:54.22 | phreqmod | CrippsFX, well, you don't, you have to kill the bastard. *But* if you use aoss (say, aoss mikmod) it will behave properly and not claim and block the sound device |
| 22:54.31 | karsten | mateuszk: NFC. |
| 22:54.43 | mateuszk | karsten, nfc? |
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| 22:55.42 | mateuszk | karsten, I want to run startx -- :1 vt8 -bpp 16 |
| 22:55.49 | karsten | !NFC |
| 22:55.49 | dpkg | nfc is, like, No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 22:55.49 | mateuszk | karsten, while having one session on vt7 |
| 22:55.57 | Azar | haha |
| 22:56.19 | CrippsFX | phreqmod, ahh .. well, it *should* be working ... but I have firefox (err ... iceweasel) running, and I'm in the middle of a tournament (using a java client) ... but I want kaffeine to listen to music .... :/ |
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| 22:56.50 | Azar | last I read about skype was some type of parasite for isp's bandwidth |
| 22:57.46 | karsten | Azar: Was said ISP some dinosaur telco who'd finally noticed those smart-mammal VOIP clients all over the place? |
| 22:57.49 | Ronin | Azar: well if you're an isp thats correct |
| 22:58.05 | mateuszk | pngwn, I log with gdm and session is on vt7 then I switch to for example vt3 log on console andstartx -- :1 vt8 -bpp 16 however keyborad doesnt respond and I have to logout in order to write something |
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| 22:58.34 | phreqmod_ | CrippsFX, connection went down |
| 22:58.45 | Azar | Ronin: karsten , is just what i read about... they feed off of isps bandwidth slowing connection for their customers |
| 22:58.48 | CrippsFX | ahh .... what I said was: |
| 22:58.48 | phreqmod_ | CrippsFX, did you goit my suggestion? |
| 22:58.57 | CrippsFX | "kill the bastard?" |
| 22:59.05 | Ronin | Azar: well if your paying for it you're already a customer though |
| 22:59.08 | concept10 | does changing my shell to zsh affect the operation of applications that rely on /bin/bash? I tried to open a document (PDF) with Firefox and it complains about the environment. |
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| 22:59.29 | phreqmod_ | CrippsFX, eh, well, if a program is using OSS semantics and blocking the soundcard I don't know any other way to unblock it |
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| 23:00.06 | CrippsFX | phreqmod, ahh. thanks. |
| 23:00.15 | Azar | Ronin: correct, but it would sound like as a paying customer to use water from same pipe that goes to my neighbor who is also a paying customer, only I use more water causing my neighbor to receive less.. |
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| 23:00.22 | phreqmod_ | CrippsFX, i.e. before using aoss some times firefox blocked the soundcard (gmail and stuff like that). I either had to wait for it to stop or kill it |
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| 23:00.33 | ik | hi who can i install `svnserve |
| 23:01.04 | hugle | Hello. Is there any tools for checking dhcpd3 config-syntax ? |
| 23:01.06 | CrippsFX | phreqmod, ahh ... well, I'm almost out of this tourney anyways ;) |
| 23:01.08 | Ronin | Azar: i pay x$ per month to my isp, as long as im not breaking my tos its none of thier business what i do with my account, irc, watch porn or use skype |
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| 23:01.30 | Azar | :D hahaha Ronin, right |
| 23:01.42 | Ronin | or hurting thier network of course, that certainly is thier concern |
| 23:01.51 | phreqmod_ | CrippsFX, with aoss the situation becomes transparent, you can have the programs playing at will without blocking. |
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| 23:02.18 | Azar | Ronin: yeah that why the isps are not turning on their skype customers but are directly dueling with skype |
| 23:02.37 | phreqmod_ | CrippsFX, i.e. " aoss play \(USSR\)\ -\ Farewell\ of\ Slavianka.mp3" will allow 10 instances of it, and you will hear every sound, whereas without the aoss ti will block the soundcard until it finishes. |
| 23:02.40 | Azar | they ask skype to pitch in and share the cost |
| 23:03.08 | Ronin | rahul: no need to be hateful :) |
| 23:03.11 | concept10 | h3sp4wn: do you use zsh? |
| 23:03.31 | rahul | Ronin: it's not hateful. it's sweet lovin! |
| 23:03.32 | SnarceZ | hi all... solved the problem... it was the gnome network-manager that has some problems with static ip... i've disinstalled it and now it works perfectly... |
| 23:03.39 | SnarceZ | thank you for the help |
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| 23:06.29 | ChrisW | how can I find out how much physical memory a debian box has? |
| 23:06.35 | stew | ChrisW: free |
| 23:06.40 | stew | ChrisW: or cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 23:07.16 | hugle | Is there any tool for checking dhcpd3 config-syntax ? |
| 23:07.22 | stew | ChrisW: well that will tell you how much the kernel sees at least. (if you have lots of memory and a non-HIGHMEM kenrel, then it will underrport) |
| 23:07.25 | loquitus_of_borg | Is there a way to know how much actual "memory" is available for processes to use? I am getting the understanding now that the amount of "free" memory displayed by top in Linux is a bit misleading since Linux actually takes over all the free memory. So how much memory is actually availalbe to a process? |
| 23:07.51 | ChrisW | stew: okay/ cat'ing /proc/meminfo, whats' the figure I'm after? |
| 23:07.54 | stew | loquitus_of_borg: run "free" and see the "+/- buffers/cache" line |
| 23:07.55 | ChrisW | memOtal? |
| 23:08.02 | ChrisW | MemTotal, even? |
| 23:08.04 | stew | ChrisW: yes |
| 23:08.20 | ChrisW | 1036188 kB is abotu 1GB, right? |
| 23:08.31 | John2583 | im trying to reinstall apache/php and reset the config files in /etc how might I do that? |
| 23:08.32 | n3kl_ | /quit |
| 23:08.38 | stew | (1024 * 1024) |
| 23:08.43 | stew | !(1024 * 1024) |
| 23:08.44 | dpkg | 1048576 |
| 23:08.50 | stew | ChrisW: yes |
| 23:08.52 | Azar | Ronin: from this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/28/skype_flames_none_dead/ |
| 23:08.56 | ChrisW | ug ug |
| 23:08.59 | ChrisW | thanks :-) |
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| 23:09.02 | jair | guys what are the softwares I can use to create sites css on Linux? I have blue fish but I remember is another one. |
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| 23:09.24 | phreqmod_ | jair, nvu? |
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| 23:11.29 | jair | phreqmod: I see I will check that one but is another one too it is similar than the macromedia ones |
| 23:11.35 | jair | it is a linux one |
| 23:11.48 | jair | do not remember if is quanta |
| 23:11.50 | jair | I think |
| 23:12.10 | hugle | John2583 firs uninstall with --purge |
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| 23:14.37 | John2583 | hugle: thanks |
| 23:15.18 | abrotman | !tell John2583 about confmiss |
| 23:15.28 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 23:15.28 | dpkg | bonjour |
| 23:15.29 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:15.31 | abrotman | oh .. there he is |
| 23:16.25 | John2583 | abrotman: THANKS! |
| 23:16.37 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 23:17.40 | Azar | hmm also wiki say skype is not even free software so heck.. |
| 23:18.25 | unlink | why does ssh reset my connection after a certain amount of data transfer? |
| 23:19.50 | justin | unlink: ssh doesn't |
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| 23:20.06 | unlink | well, it only happens over ssh |
| 23:20.18 | justin | unlink: what other long lived connections to you have? |
| 23:20.32 | unlink | http |
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| 23:22.46 | unlink | (as in large downloads over http) |
| 23:22.59 | John2583 | my real problem is i just installed apache/php4 on a stable amd64 system and i can't get php to parse php code. at first i had it running phpinfo() fine but now I can't even get that. i've checked all the usual configs like index.php in httpd.conf etc |
| 23:23.41 | peppe | unlink: "data transfers" over ssh? do you mean scp/sftp? |
| 23:24.08 | unlink | peppe: i mean ssh, scp/sftp, or rsync. any data transfers over ssh. |
| 23:24.27 | peppe | unlink: are you behind a nat-ing router? |
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| 23:25.13 | unlink | yes |
| 23:25.38 | peppe | unlink: a linux box or what? |
| 23:25.48 | Azar | Ronin: here is another one about Skype: http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/22/skype_fcc_open_up/ |
| 23:25.53 | unlink | peppe: yes |
| 23:26.52 | peppe | unlink: have you tried to use the TCPMSS target? |
| 23:27.05 | unlink | no, what's that? |
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| 23:27.32 | peppe | unlink: man iptables -> look for TCPMSS |
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| 23:28.53 | JoshJ | Minor problem- my laptop's number pad is not working properly- it's moving the mouse around rather than typing numbers, regardless of whether number lock is on or off |
| 23:29.15 | JoshJ | Does anyone know what the solution is? I'm on Etch right now. |
| 23:29.54 | Coweater | hit shift+num lock |
| 23:29.56 | peppe | actually it's useful if your connections hang... if they are reset I'd suggest to sniff (with tcpdump, wireshark...) on the router's interaces and on your pc interface to try to understand what's going on |
| 23:30.08 | x_link | Is there a bug or something in Iceweasel? |
| 23:30.17 | JoshJ | Coweater, thank you |
| 23:30.22 | JoshJ | i must have hit that by accident at some point |
| 23:30.40 | JoshJ | I was wondering if it was related to the updates this morning, but apparently not :p |
| 23:30.51 | Coweater | yeah i used to do it in one game a bunch, took a while to figure out |
| 23:31.06 | PrMoriarty | i m sorry how can i register |
| 23:31.07 | PrMoriarty | i have a login and a password? |
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| 23:31.19 | JoshJ | do /msg nickserv help register |
| 23:31.28 | peppe | x_link: A bug? thousands! :) |
| 23:31.37 | PrMoriarty | thank you |
| 23:31.51 | agent | Where can I find the user naming convention policy for GNU/Linux and for Debian (if the latter is different than the former)? |
| 23:32.05 | x_link | peppe: hehe ok cause it gets stuck all the time. |
| 23:32.06 | JoshJ | agent, you mean for local users on your system? |
| 23:32.13 | peppe | agent: what do you mean with "user naming"? |
| 23:32.22 | x_link | peppe: And it seems like I can't use FireFox either. |
| 23:32.24 | JoshJ | when I installed Debian it said use first name/last name |
| 23:32.46 | JoshJ | but that was just a suggestion and you could log in as "thealmightyflyingspaghettimonster" if it fits :p |
| 23:33.24 | peppe | x_link: btw what bug are you talking about? the "new window with two tabs"? |
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| 23:34.26 | valdyn | agent: up to 8 letters, lower case only, that's common, use whatever you want though |
| 23:34.30 | x_link | peppe: I don't know if it's a bug or not. But today my Iceweasel has just closed itself alot of ties. |
| 23:34.30 | agent | JoshJ, peppe: I mean what are the limitation/conventions for naming local users (via adduser or moduser, etc.). For example, a username of $##$FSZ is not valid but agent is. |
| 23:34.45 | JoshJ | ah, i wouldn't know |
| 23:34.48 | peppe | valdyn: up to 8 letters? |
| 23:34.59 | JoshJ | i suspect any character that does anything in the shell would be invalid |
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| 23:35.16 | JoshJ | such as []$/\- and so forth |
| 23:35.38 | JoshJ | beyond that... dunno, but I can tell you that letters and numbers are valid |
| 23:35.41 | agent | I am sure this is documented somewhere. In fact, I remember there being a website for GNU/Linux conventions, although that may have been limited to filesystem only. |
| 23:35.52 | peppe | agent: take a look to LSB 3.1 |
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| 23:36.06 | JoshJ | it'll be in man 5 somewhere |
| 23:36.18 | JoshJ | (if it's in man at all) |
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| 23:36.39 | valdyn | peppe: many orgs used that, i'm not saying you have to or that linux supported just that |
| 23:36.46 | agent | JoshJ: It's not in either man adduser or moduser. |
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| 23:36.55 | agent | peppe: I will try that, thank you. |
| 23:36.59 | valdyn | JoshJ: - is fine |
| 23:37.18 | peppe | agent: well actually there's a --force-badname option in adduser: By default, user and group names are checked against a configurable regular expression. [...] |
| 23:37.25 | peppe | try to find that regexp :-) |
| 23:37.49 | agent | peppe: :) |
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| 23:38.52 | valdyn | agent: 'man useradd' has the rules |
| 23:39.19 | peppe | agent: if ($name !~ /^[_.A-Za-z0-9][-\@_.A-Za-z0-9]*\$?$/) { ... line 810 of adduser |
| 23:39.48 | JoshJ | obv "useradd" is completely different than "adduser" |
| 23:40.00 | jair | hey guys I know that is there a rescue boot disk and also a disk that is minimal or debian live cd??? outthere I can download? |
| 23:40.18 | JoshJ | jair, the "super grub disc" will recover your boot partition |
| 23:40.53 | JoshJ | as far as livediscs, i don't know if there's a debian one but ubuntu and knoppix are debian-derived distro's that have live cd's |
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| 23:41.06 | peppe | joshJ: wonder if they use the very same regexp for the username validation |
| 23:41.28 | jair | JoshJ: ha! interesting |
| 23:41.48 | jair | JoshJ: I know is another one called sysrecuecd or something like that |
| 23:41.56 | JoshJ | jair, it's apparently a common problem when setting up a linux/windows dual boot system with linux first |
| 23:41.59 | jair | anyone else have a Linux recovery tool? |
| 23:42.13 | jair | ohhh I see |
| 23:42.13 | JoshJ | as apparently microsoft thinks they own your boot partition and there's nothing wrong with overwriting the boot record without asking, etc |
| 23:42.40 | JoshJ | !live cd |
| 23:42.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, live cd is http://live.debian.net/ |
| 23:42.43 | peppe | jair: maybe there is some "specialized" rescue cd, but you can do almost everything with a knoppix or a ubuntu live |
| 23:42.43 | JoshJ | there you go |
| 23:42.48 | jair | JoshJ: I am actually about to test for first time the application called G4L |
| 23:42.59 | jair | peppe: great |
| 23:43.09 | peppe | jair: well, YMMV ;-P |
| 23:43.28 | JoshJ | ah, i just looked that up on google, interesting |
| 23:43.34 | agent | valdyn, peppe: All these years and I did not even know useradd existed. Always used adduser. |
| 23:43.38 | JoshJ | hopefully it's better than dd :p |
| 23:43.44 | jair | YMMV ? |
| 23:43.49 | agent | And LSB did not provide any naming schemes. |
| 23:43.55 | JoshJ | your mileage may vary |
| 23:44.11 | jair | I will be testing it in a Linux server using EXT3 |
| 23:44.20 | jair | I see |
| 23:44.24 | jair | haha thanks |
| 23:45.10 | peppe | agent: hold tight... there is also a "userdel" command!! :D |
| 23:46.03 | agent | peppe: Doh! What is the meaning of this confusion!? :D |
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| 23:46.35 | agent | No moduser though :) |
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| 23:51.07 | JoshJ | http://linuxcommand.org/superman_pages.php |
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| 23:51.29 | pngwn | mateuszk, try 'startx -- :1 vt8 -bpp 16' |
| 23:51.37 | JoshJ | good stuff, if a bit old |
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| 23:58.10 | Azar | welcome home honorable abrotman |
| 23:58.18 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:58.49 | Azar | cool article about free software as in free cakes: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/beginners_guide_understanding_free_software |
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