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| 00:06.06 | wide_awake | Has anyone here successfully used the Adaptec Storage Manager application (for RAID cards) with Debian? |
| 00:06.47 | pickcoder | wide_awake: what's your concern? |
| 00:06.48 | Azar | heh interesting the "hybernation" feature is not available in kernels under 2.6.17.. |
| 00:06.52 | abrotman | i've seen it running :) |
| 00:06.58 | Azar | so I assume Sarge won't have it |
| 00:06.59 | abrotman | hibernation ? |
| 00:07.15 | Azar | swsusp |
| 00:07.20 | wide_awake | pickcoder, I can't seem to get it to actually recognize the raid device |
| 00:07.33 | wide_awake | I'd like to be able to monitor/admin the raid config before I ship the server away. |
| 00:07.41 | Azar | someone asked this morning how could he activate it |
| 00:08.07 | Azar | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/hibernate_linux |
| 00:09.03 | pickcoder | wide_awake: Did you match the dependencies between the Linux release they compiled against? |
| 00:09.35 | Leibsle | what is the command again to re-install a config file of a package? |
| 00:09.37 | wide_awake | pickcoder they don't compile it for debian |
| 00:09.51 | wide_awake | or do you mean the kernel versioN? |
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| 00:10.02 | pickcoder | I know that, but you can determine libc and etc versions from the RH release, for exsample |
| 00:10.07 | pickcoder | ~example |
| 00:10.08 | apt | i guess example is enough to reproduce the behavior we see from ipkg. |
| 00:10.26 | pickcoder | I.E. I doubt that a RH4 release would run on Sarge |
| 00:10.27 | wide_awake | as far as I can tell, I have the req'd packages |
| 00:10.46 | wide_awake | but the "alien" conversion bailed due to their binaries being for i386 instead of amd64 |
| 00:10.55 | pickcoder | !alien |
| 00:10.56 | dpkg | alien is, like, a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 00:11.13 | pickcoder | what happen to the sarcastic comments about alien |
| 00:11.15 | pickcoder | oh well |
| 00:11.23 | pickcoder | I would never trust alien |
| 00:11.52 | pickcoder | that's your first problem there |
| 00:12.26 | pickcoder | do you have the ia-32 libs? |
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| 00:13.29 | wide_awake | pickcoder, not sure - I doubt it. |
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| 00:14.03 | wide_awake | btw - I'm trying to run this on Etch. |
| 00:14.07 | pickcoder | if you are running AMD64/EM64T, which this channel does not support, then you need the ia-32 libs to run 32-bit applications |
| 00:15.09 | robin_sz | this # doesnt support em64T? |
| 00:15.12 | robin_sz | how so? |
| 00:15.18 | pickcoder | !amd64 |
| 00:15.19 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64, or http://64studio.com if you are doing audio/realtime work |
| 00:15.37 | Azar | is em64T not amd86 |
| 00:15.38 | wide_awake | ah ha |
| 00:15.46 | wide_awake | amd64 is a supported arch on Etch ;) |
| 00:15.53 | Azar | ok robin_sz what is em86T ? |
| 00:15.58 | Azar | :) |
| 00:15.59 | JoshJ | !m86t |
| 00:16.01 | JoshJ | !em86t |
| 00:16.03 | robin_sz | regardless, I said, EM64T |
| 00:16.08 | Guerin | wide_awake: still don't mean everyone who can use it should |
| 00:16.08 | JoshJ | !em64t |
| 00:16.08 | dpkg | em64t is, like, Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 00:16.10 | JoshJ | blah |
| 00:16.11 | Azar | yea that, what it is? |
| 00:16.14 | JoshJ | there you go |
| 00:16.17 | robin_sz | Azar, xeon .. hyperthreweded |
| 00:16.21 | pickcoder | they are not the 32-bit distro |
| 00:16.29 | Azar | ah clones |
| 00:16.31 | robin_sz | blinkin are |
| 00:16.50 | Azar | hyperbolated |
| 00:16.56 | Azar | :) |
| 00:17.12 | wide_awake | I asked in #debian-amd64, but no takers there. |
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| 00:17.36 | pickcoder | install the ia-32 libs and try alien again |
| 00:17.45 | pickcoder | if you are running the 64-bit Debian release |
| 00:17.54 | abrotman | wide_awake: i'm not sure it owuld work even if you got those libs installed |
| 00:17.55 | robin_sz | pickcoder, so tell me again, this channel doesnt support sarge with an emt64t-p4 kernel because ... <fill in blanks> |
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| 00:18.14 | pickcoder | because debian 32 and debian 64 are different releases |
| 00:18.20 | wide_awake | pickcoder, ok, thanks, I'll try it. |
| 00:18.29 | pickcoder | unless things have changed while I was on vacation |
| 00:18.31 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 00:18.50 | Azar | soooo robin_sz you want to install Debian on that clone? |
| 00:19.16 | pickcoder | wide_awake: I'm sure someone can help you out, if it still doesn't work |
| 00:19.33 | robin_sz | Azar, clone? |
| 00:19.36 | pickcoder | you may have to extract the RPM and make a tar |
| 00:19.46 | Azar | amd64 clone |
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| 00:19.51 | pickcoder | but maybe alien will work find if it can find the 32-bit libs |
| 00:19.56 | pickcoder | ~fine |
| 00:19.58 | robin_sz | Azar, sorry I have no clue what you are talking about |
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| 00:20.19 | wide_awake | ya, I'll see if I can trick alien first, that'll be easier. |
| 00:20.21 | Azar | < robin_sz> this # doesnt support em64T? |
| 00:20.40 | robin_sz | Azar, I have dual hyperthreaded Xeons ... they aint clones of anything |
| 00:20.53 | abrotman | pickcoder: amd64 made an unofficial sarge release |
| 00:20.58 | Azar | robin_sz: ok my bad I thought was a clone |
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| 00:21.14 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 00:21.15 | pickcoder | when? |
| 00:21.20 | abrotman | a long time ago |
| 00:21.25 | pickcoder | gah |
| 00:21.26 | abrotman | em64t is a clone of amd64 |
| 00:21.27 | pickcoder | so shoot me |
| 00:21.36 | robin_sz | it is? |
| 00:21.39 | robin_sz | whatever |
| 00:21.52 | robin_sz | it seems to have chosen a 2.4.27-2-686-smp kernel for itself |
| 00:21.54 | abrotman | !em64t |
| 00:21.55 | dpkg | i guess em64t is Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 00:22.04 | abrotman | note ... clone |
| 00:22.05 | pickcoder | I retract my comments regarding supporting amd64 then |
| 00:22.15 | robin_sz | shrug |
| 00:22.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: it came a few months after r0a |
| 00:22.26 | robin_sz | I seem to be running a plain 2.4.27-2-686-smp kernel ... |
| 00:22.27 | pickcoder | on that note, I have to get back to the conference... |
| 00:22.32 | pickcoder | oh |
| 00:22.38 | pickcoder | my bad |
| 00:23.06 | robin_sz | would I have got an advantage from the 64t kernel? |
| 00:23.12 | Azar | The debian port for AMD64 and EM64T based systems is, as the name states, thoroughly 64bit. |
| 00:23.16 | robin_sz | it shows up as 4 processors on this dual cpu box |
| 00:23.29 | robin_sz | would it be faster? |
| 00:23.34 | pickcoder | I'm trying to convince a company to help me get a Debian package going for their dual-licensed DBMS |
| 00:23.42 | Azar | robin_sz: depends for what you use it |
| 00:23.47 | robin_sz | web shit |
| 00:23.51 | Guerin | pickcoder: why do you need the company? |
| 00:23.54 | Azar | I guess for normal home leisure will not make a difference |
| 00:23.56 | robin_sz | and Java :) |
| 00:24.00 | pickcoder | they control the license and the source releases |
| 00:24.13 | pickcoder | so it's an organzational deal with software release cycles and such |
| 00:24.14 | Guerin | pickcoder: why bother? It'll never make it into debian. |
| 00:24.17 | robin_sz | nah, server supporting some apps |
| 00:24.21 | pickcoder | MySQL did |
| 00:24.22 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 00:24.47 | Azar | I doubt corps will get their greedy claws on debian |
| 00:24.51 | pickcoder | it's GPL'd |
| 00:24.52 | JoshJ | even if it doesn't make it into debian you still can put it up on a server somewhere and people add it to the repo's |
| 00:24.57 | pickcoder | but it's also commercially licensed |
| 00:24.59 | JoshJ | what does this program do? |
| 00:25.11 | agent | !pastebin |
| 00:25.11 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 00:25.14 | Guerin | pickcoder: in which case you can get the source, no? |
| 00:25.45 | pickcoder | Guerin: yes, but the source tree for the GPL release is tightly controlled |
| 00:25.55 | agent | If not then someone is violating GPL. :) |
| 00:26.03 | robin_sz | agent, rubbish |
| 00:26.04 | Guerin | agent: not necessarily. |
| 00:26.24 | agent | If the binaries are available but not source then they are. |
| 00:26.26 | Guerin | agent: they only have to make available source if you got a binary, and then only if you got the binary under the GPL |
| 00:26.32 | JoshJ | pickcoder, are they aware that if they put it in debian they'd have no more "tight control" over the source? |
| 00:26.33 | Guerin | agent: no. |
| 00:26.34 | pickcoder | there's some politics involved here, but for the most part I could produce the deb and get a DD to adopt it |
| 00:26.38 | robin_sz | agent, again, rubbish |
| 00:26.42 | pickcoder | I'd have to do it on my own, though |
| 00:26.45 | agent | OK |
| 00:26.46 | agent | :) |
| 00:26.47 | Guerin | pickcoder: you just need to get the source, I see. |
| 00:26.55 | JoshJ | apt-get source much? |
| 00:26.56 | Guerin | once, then it's yours, for good ... muhahaha |
| 00:27.00 | Azar | hehe right no stinky tight control |
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| 00:27.05 | pickcoder | I want to get backing from the company to help establish an offical GPL maintenance team |
| 00:27.07 | JoshJ | Guerin, only that release though :p |
| 00:27.14 | robin_sz | agent, you only have to make the source available to people you give the binaries to ... thats all |
| 00:27.26 | pickcoder | so that GPL developers will see the product and bring more new developers into our community |
| 00:27.27 | agent | robin_sz: That is what I said. |
| 00:27.28 | JoshJ | not future releases, so if they don't like it with future releases then there's an issue |
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| 00:27.36 | JoshJ | pickcoder, can you tell us what program this is, or what it does? |
| 00:27.39 | Guerin | JoshJ: yeah. |
| 00:27.41 | Azar | pickcoder: you gonna drown in politics from both sides, you will be sandwiched |
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| 00:27.57 | Guerin | this is why dual-licensing sucks only maginally less than proprietaryware. |
| 00:28.07 | JoshJ | if you think it's a bad idea, then ok |
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| 00:28.17 | dav__ | elo |
| 00:28.25 | robin_sz | the point is, if they sell the binaries, then they dont need to put the source on the web or anything ... just give copies to the buyers, thats all |
| 00:28.26 | dav__ | i have a strange problem with some devices |
| 00:28.39 | robin_sz | agent, so the source can be tightly controlled |
| 00:28.46 | Azar | debian will never bow to onerous conditions imposed by corporations |
| 00:28.49 | dav__ | v4l said can't find /dev/video0 |
| 00:28.55 | JoshJ | check the plug |
| 00:28.59 | Guerin | agent: it needn't, if the source is GPL |
| 00:29.02 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:29.06 | Guerin | Azar: it needn't, if the source is GPL |
| 00:29.10 | dav__ | i don't have any /dev/video i have on ein /dev/.static/dev/vieo |
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| 00:29.16 | dav__ | what shld i do ? |
| 00:29.16 | Bac9 | why does `ulimit -n 2048` not work as regular user? |
| 00:29.23 | Azar | Guerin: GPL3 maybe |
| 00:29.26 | pickcoder | the application is basically a DBMS environment that consists of an internal BASIC-style development language that is tied to a "compressed XML database" |
| 00:29.28 | Guerin | Azar: no. |
| 00:29.46 | pickcoder | it has a query processor for extracting data and an application language for writing business rules |
| 00:29.49 | agent | Why not get the source and "fork it" that way they can eat their dual liscencing poo? :D |
| 00:30.04 | JoshJ | agent, because then any updates from the company wouldn't happen? |
| 00:30.09 | Azar | Guerin: do you see any corporation willingly re-distributing their work with the GPL? |
| 00:30.15 | Bac9 | when doing `ulimit -n 2048` I get "ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted", what can I do to change the limit? |
| 00:30.16 | JoshJ | Azar, red hat? |
| 00:30.22 | agent | JoshJ: Better than nothing, no? |
| 00:30.22 | JoshJ | canonical? |
| 00:30.24 | Guerin | Azar: fuck yeah |
| 00:30.32 | JoshJ | not all corporations are bad |
| 00:30.33 | Azar | JoshJ: well RedHat, but what about those corps using RedHat? |
| 00:30.36 | JoshJ | just a vast majority of them :p |
| 00:30.36 | stew | cygnus |
| 00:30.43 | Guerin | Azar: red hat, mandrake, mysql, IB fucking M |
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| 00:30.55 | Guerin | canonical, for god's sakes |
| 00:31.04 | Azar | gawdddd |
| 00:31.05 | JoshJ | Azar, why would i need to get red hat's source from Bob's Computer Programming? |
| 00:31.09 | Azar | ok so they do comply? |
| 00:31.17 | JoshJ | i get what you're saying, but... sheesh :p |
| 00:31.17 | Guerin | Azar: of course they do. |
| 00:31.26 | agent | JoshJ: Canonical has a policy on not creating any new software except for Launchpad which is proprietary. |
| 00:31.27 | JoshJ | no distribution whatsoever also complies with GPL :p |
| 00:31.28 | Guerin | Azar: if they didn't then RMS would bore them to death! |
| 00:31.45 | Guerin | Azar: yes, canonical are retarded about launchpad |
| 00:31.46 | agent | JoshJ: However, they do contribut to existing GPL software. |
| 00:32.05 | robin_sz | Bac9, not implemented on 2.4 kernels |
| 00:32.17 | thechef | I installed debian etch via debootstrap. many applications freeze at startup (winecfg, konsole) and I don't know how i could figure out. There is noting in dmesg or syslog. |
| 00:32.17 | JoshJ | but anyway agent my point is that if you can work with the company on GPL stuff you can get the updates from the community as well as from the corporation |
| 00:32.34 | robin_sz | Bac9, see man 2 ulimit |
| 00:32.39 | Bac9 | robin_sz: are you serious? then why does ulimit support this? |
| 00:32.47 | Azar | ...is simply I can't see Debian on working with a big corp... |
| 00:32.57 | Guerin | Azar: whyever not? |
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| 00:32.59 | pickcoder | if anyone wants more info: www.openqm.org |
| 00:33.01 | robin_sz | Bac9, YOU READ THAT MANPAGE? |
| 00:33.10 | agent | JoshJ: You are correct, but my point was that if you have to go through so much trouble it may not be worth the effort just for some updates. It may be better to fork it. |
| 00:33.11 | JoshJ | forking should be a last resort, if licensing issues or actual issues within the program (see: mozilla) require it |
| 00:33.16 | JoshJ | sure |
| 00:33.22 | JoshJ | but that also depends on what the updates are |
| 00:33.28 | JoshJ | and working with them > burning bridges |
| 00:33.29 | Bac9 | robin_sz: yeah sorry, was readin... |
| 00:33.30 | Azar | Guerin: well.... dunno... |
| 00:33.34 | pickcoder | I gotta hit the halls, though. I'll bbl |
| 00:33.38 | pickcoder | cheers |
| 00:33.43 | JoshJ | also "debian" doesn't have to work with the corporation |
| 00:33.50 | JoshJ | debian isn't some monolithic entity |
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| 00:33.57 | JoshJ | all debian requires, really, is that it meets DFSG |
| 00:34.10 | Azar | :) YES THAT WHY |
| 00:34.27 | rahul | I have a monolithic entity |
| 00:34.29 | JoshJ | and if some outside group- we'll call them "maintainers" (that may have a relationship with debian)- work with the corporation with the software, then there's no issue |
| 00:34.37 | Guerin | JoshJ: and is not shit - see webmin ;) |
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| 00:34.43 | rahul | haha |
| 00:34.44 | Azar | rahul: please do say |
| 00:35.00 | rahul | !penixstrike webmin |
| 00:35.00 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking webmin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:35.02 | JoshJ | the "maintainers" of the community can keep the software up to date with the corporation |
| 00:35.16 | JoshJ | (and vice versa) |
| 00:35.22 | agent | JoshJ: Exactly. And if they are willing to work then it would be great, if not then well, no point in doing battles with them to get them to release code every time they update the software. |
| 00:35.25 | JoshJ | all DD's have to do is package the stuff |
| 00:35.36 | Guerin | JoshJ: in principle. |
| 00:35.49 | JoshJ | or upload the packages made by the maintainers after checking, whatever |
| 00:35.52 | stew | JoshJ: the dfsg is ceratinly not the only requirement |
| 00:35.58 | Bac9 | robin_sz: I didn't notice 'nofile' in that manpage, or is that somehow implied? |
| 00:36.01 | JoshJ | stew, with respect to what we're talking about |
| 00:36.07 | Azar | secretly, deep inside my whishpartition in my brains I wold like to see Debian on my PC at work |
| 00:36.13 | JoshJ | i'm aware there are code quality requirements, etc |
| 00:36.21 | JoshJ | but licensing-wise the DFSG is the main requirement |
| 00:36.26 | JoshJ | and the one that's relevant here :p |
| 00:36.50 | robin_sz | Bac9, eh? |
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| 00:37.04 | orkid | hi, how can i check the sha1sum of a whole directory? |
| 00:37.05 | robin_sz | Bac9, ulimit is a bash builtin command, read the bash manpage ... |
| 00:37.30 | Bac9 | robin_sz: not the manpage you mentioned? ok, let me see |
| 00:37.35 | robin_sz | Bac9, wait I paste for you: |
| 00:37.38 | robin_sz | Provides control over the resources available to the shell and |
| 00:37.38 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.41 | robin_sz | ok, ... |
| 00:37.53 | robin_sz | now with that information there .. and the manpage I pointedyou to |
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| 00:38.12 | robin_sz | the key phrase is "on systems that allow wuch control" |
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| 00:38.37 | robin_sz | read that along with "unsupported on 2.4 kernels" |
| 00:38.39 | robin_sz | and? |
| 00:39.28 | Bac9 | robin_sz: "These system calls are not implemented in the Linux 2.4 kernel."? but which? the manpage doesn't list and etch doesn't even have that manpage, hence the question |
| 00:39.40 | Bac9 | robin_sz: I am probably missing somethign obvious here |
| 00:39.49 | robin_sz | what kernel are you running> |
| 00:39.50 | robin_sz | ?? |
| 00:39.57 | Bac9 | robin_sz: just trying to find out what it is so next time I know where to look |
| 00:40.04 | robin_sz | uname -a |
| 00:40.16 | Bac9 | robin_sz: sarge/2.4 and etch/2.6 |
| 00:40.22 | robin_sz | 'k |
| 00:40.38 | robin_sz | so certainly on Sarge/2,4 it sounds like it might not work |
| 00:40.55 | robin_sz | man ulimit shold tell you something though |
| 00:41.11 | JoshJ | man ulimit gives me nothing on etch |
| 00:41.14 | JoshJ | just fyi |
| 00:41.19 | Bac9 | robin_sz: "ulimit - get and set user limits" doesn't mention 2.4 |
| 00:41.26 | robin_sz | ulimit always returns "unlimited" for me .. even on a 2.6 kernel after setting a files limit |
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| 00:41.38 | Bac9 | robin_sz: it returns 1024 for me |
| 00:41.43 | JoshJ | that said typing "ulimit" returns "unlimited" |
| 00:41.45 | JoshJ | :p |
| 00:42.04 | robin_sz | JoshJ, well, try setting a limit first |
| 00:42.10 | JoshJ | why would i want to? :p |
| 00:42.10 | robin_sz | ulimit -n 1024 |
| 00:42.20 | robin_sz | then try ulimit and see what it syas |
| 00:42.26 | JoshJ | joshua@r38h107:~$ ulimit -n 1024 |
| 00:42.26 | JoshJ | joshua@r38h107:~$ ulimit |
| 00:42.26 | JoshJ | unlimited |
| 00:42.34 | robin_sz | dsame here .. on 2.6 as root |
| 00:42.51 | JoshJ | that wasn't as root (if you didn't notice) |
| 00:42.57 | Bac9 | robin_sz: it allows be to set it below 1024 but not above 1024 |
| 00:43.07 | robin_sz | curious |
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| 00:43.30 | robin_sz | Bac9, not for me ... |
| 00:43.41 | Bac9 | robin_sz: that was for sarge/2.4 |
| 00:44.12 | Bac9 | robin_sz: I can say ulimit -n 1024 <-- works, ulimit -n 1023 <-- works, ulimit -n 1025 <-- gives error |
| 00:44.47 | robin_sz | well, I cantr set it ... and the manpages suggest its as expected for me |
| 00:44.52 | Bac9 | robin_sz: I modified /etc/security/limits.conf to set the limits higher but it doesn't seem to help |
| 00:45.07 | Bac9 | robin_sz: `ulimit -a` |
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| 00:46.11 | robin_sz | Bac9, ok, it seems I can set it to anyting I like :) |
| 00:46.38 | robin_sz | open files (-n) 81920 |
| 00:46.39 | Bac9 | robin_sz: I can't, at least not higher then 1024 |
| 00:46.47 | robin_sz | weirdy beardy |
| 00:46.54 | robin_sz | wait .. that was as root |
| 00:46.58 | Bac9 | robin_sz: so advice/comments? |
| 00:47.06 | Bac9 | robin_sz: I am trying as user |
| 00:47.23 | robin_sz | as root it works |
| 00:47.29 | robin_sz | as user it errors |
| 00:47.33 | robin_sz | unsuprisingly |
| 00:47.40 | Bac9 | robin_sz: I don't want to run apps as root... this is not msft world |
| 00:47.44 | robin_sz | if users could change their own limits .... |
| 00:47.58 | JoshJ | it makes sense to do certain things as root |
| 00:48.01 | Bac9 | robin_sz: isn't that what /etc/security/limits.conf is for? |
| 00:48.08 | robin_sz | well, that would be crazy to allow users to set their own limits |
| 00:48.12 | robin_sz | yeah |
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| 00:48.15 | JoshJ | which, in general, are things you require root to be doing :p |
| 00:48.19 | Bac9 | robin_sz: considering it's a process limit and not a global limit |
| 00:48.24 | robin_sz | but log out and bcak in again before it has effect on the user |
| 00:48.30 | JoshJ | and uh, how do you edit /etc/security/limits.conf as a user? >_> |
| 00:48.34 | JoshJ | it's in /etc isn't it? |
| 00:48.45 | Bac9 | JoshJ: I edit it as root |
| 00:48.56 | JoshJ | so you're ok with running vi or whatever as root, but not ulimit? :p |
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| 00:49.04 | cliff_ | so I have this server with a 4 disk mdadm raid5 and one disk is making a grinding noise. mdadm --details /dev/md0 says everything is ok. is there anything else I can look for? |
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| 00:49.22 | robin_sz | and it will allow him to use the ulimit command to alter the limits downwards from what was predetermined in ./etc/security, but not up, as expected I guess |
| 00:49.34 | dendrite | cliff_: Yeah. A replacement disk. |
| 00:49.42 | robin_sz | try changing it in /etc/security, then logging your user off and on again |
| 00:49.54 | cliff_ | dendrite: how do I determing which disk. thats what im wondering. |
| 00:50.16 | wols_ | cliff_: run smartmontools long test on the disk |
| 00:50.22 | Bac9 | JoshJ: I don't want to su to root every time I open a new session |
| 00:50.40 | dendrite | cliff_: take a stick or a screwdriver, and put one end on each drive, and the other end at your ear, as a sort of primitive stethascope. |
| 00:50.56 | JoshJ | rofl |
| 00:51.13 | cliff_ | wols_: thanks. ill look into smartmontools |
| 00:51.13 | dendrite | cliff_: cliff_ That'll let you hear just the one drive at a time. |
| 00:51.14 | Bac9 | robin_sz: I already tried changing /etc/security/limits.conf and added "* soft nofile 2048" and "* hard nofile 8192" but still no luck |
| 00:51.20 | Bac9 | robin_sz: already reloged in |
| 00:51.29 | robin_sz | 'k |
| 00:51.40 | robin_sz | then sorry, thats beyond what I know |
| 00:51.43 | Bac9 | robin_sz: still starts with 1024 and doesn't allow me toc hange up |
| 00:51.43 | dendrite | cliff_: It's entirely possible for a disk to make noise and not show errors. |
| 00:51.44 | cliff_ | dendrite: I dont know if you for real or not but im LMAO for the first time in a while. |
| 00:51.58 | robin_sz | Bac9, well nto allwoing chnaging up is expected I guess |
| 00:52.08 | dendrite | cliff_: Well, you want to know which drive is making noise. Do you have a stethascope handy? |
| 00:52.13 | cliff_ | dendrite: yeah. ive learned that. just looking for the "deep diag" type tools. I know how to check in solaris but not linux. thanks. |
| 00:52.22 | cliff_ | dendrite: I do. |
| 00:52.24 | Bac9 | robin_sz: then how do I increase it for a regular user? |
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| 00:52.28 | dendrite | cliff_: then use it. :-) |
| 00:52.50 | cliff_ | dendrite: will do, thanks for the tip. never would of thought of that. |
| 00:53.19 | Bac9 | JoshJ: do you have a solution? |
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| 00:53.33 | JoshJ | Bac9, no, sorry, i think robin_sz is right |
| 00:53.52 | JoshJ | dendrite, when you said "use a screwdriver" i thought you were being sarcastic :p |
| 00:54.09 | JoshJ | as in, "step 1- apply screwdriver to disk. step 2- replace disk" |
| 00:54.15 | dendrite | JoshJ: No, it's a common trick for mechanics to localize a sound in an engine or other machine. |
| 00:54.16 | Bac9 | JoshJ: in that there's no way? |
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| 00:54.46 | dendrite | JoshJ: Beats getting your ear ripped off by a belt too... |
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| 00:55.33 | robin_sz | Bac9, normally its unlimited I think ... if you put in * soft nofiles 2048 ... then it shoudl have doen it .. unless its a compiled in kerenel opion maybe ... |
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| 00:56.00 | Bac9 | robin_sz: it doesn't seem to want to do it |
| 00:56.08 | Bac9 | robin_sz: hence me coming here and asking |
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| 00:57.18 | dendrite | can anyone tell me off hand if mysql 4 or 5 in etch is compiled with ssl support? |
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| 00:57.54 | JoshJ | hang on |
| 00:58.32 | cliff_ | wols_: if I do the long test on 1 of 4 disks from a raid5 with the raid unmounted will it damage the raid in any way do you think? |
| 00:58.57 | robin_sz | Bac9, do you have pam_limits.so installed? |
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| 00:59.10 | dendrite | cliff_: Why are you bothering to test the drive? I'd stress it as little as possible, until the replacement is on hand. |
| 00:59.11 | JoshJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.11 | JoshJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.25 | JoshJ | that's what it gives me for apt-get install mysql-client-5.0 |
| 00:59.43 | Bac9 | robin_sz: yes |
| 00:59.52 | dendrite | JoshJ: Do you have mysql running there, that you could run ldd against the daemon binary? |
| 00:59.59 | JoshJ | of course i may have ssl installed already... |
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| 01:00.10 | robin_sz | Bac9, then /etc/security/limits.comnf is not used ... |
| 01:00.10 | JoshJ | dendrite, was searching via apt-cache search |
| 01:00.11 | madd_matt | My system came with a "backup" group -- what is this used for, and can I safely toy with it? Specifically, I want to let users in the "backup" group mount my backup disks |
| 01:00.11 | dendrite | JoshJ: Ah, I can look at package deps. Duh, thanks. |
| 01:00.17 | JoshJ | :p |
| 01:00.22 | JoshJ | yeah, do that on the site |
| 01:01.38 | dendrite | JoshJ: "apt-cache depends mysql-server-5.0" suggests it isn't. |
| 01:02.05 | robin_sz | Bac9, I found this on the web .. "# Set up limits in /etc/security/limits.conf (note that /etc/limits is not used if you are using PAM)" |
| 01:02.20 | JoshJ | yeah, good point |
| 01:02.26 | Bac9 | robin_sz: those are different files |
| 01:02.45 | robin_sz | Bac9, I suspect its soemthing /etc/pam.d/other or some such place that has precedence |
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| 01:02.57 | Bac9 | robin_sz: comment in /etc/pam.d/ssh says "# Set up user limits from /etc/security/limits.conf." "session required pam_limits.so" |
| 01:03.11 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 01:03.33 | robin_sz | there is one more thing to try |
| 01:03.34 | braindead | plz, i'm trying to remove webmin with apt-get remove --purge webmin but it says it's going to remove 931MB (!?!) |
| 01:03.39 | robin_sz | do you have a hammer? |
| 01:03.40 | braindead | just tell me if its safe |
| 01:03.58 | JoshJ | uh, what other stuff is it removing? |
| 01:04.01 | dendrite | braindead: I didn't think webmin was in Debian... |
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| 01:04.13 | braindead | i don't know, it doesnt tell me |
| 01:04.13 | cored | hi guys |
| 01:04.18 | cored | i just installed Etch |
| 01:04.23 | dvs | yay |
| 01:04.24 | Bac9 | robin_sz: I'd prefer to keep the box operational (-; |
| 01:04.25 | JoshJ | whee |
| 01:04.26 | Azar | maybe is removing mswin? |
| 01:04.26 | dendrite | braindead: What flavor of debian? |
| 01:04.29 | cored | and X is not reading my Xdefaults |
| 01:04.29 | braindead | just about to remove webmin: size to remove is 931MB. all it says |
| 01:04.37 | cored | when i start my window manager from GDM |
| 01:04.40 | braindead | Sarge 3.1 |
| 01:04.41 | cored | any suggestion ? |
| 01:04.43 | braindead | kernel 2.4 |
| 01:04.57 | dendrite | braindead: Try apt-get -u remove ... and see if that gives more clues. |
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| 01:05.03 | wols_ | cliff_: smart tests will not damage the disk at all. you can run the test even when the disk is mounted without any problems |
| 01:05.33 | karsten | How can I turn down the system bell tone? |
| 01:05.34 | wols_ | cliff_: SMART is sector based only, low level. it doesn't know about filesystems or even partitions |
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| 01:06.01 | Dewi | is there a command in linux command line mode to adjust the display mode? |
| 01:06.02 | braindead | dendrite: nothing told |
| 01:06.06 | karsten | cliff_: Worst that happens is that a long test may degrade performance (slow other disk activity) while it runs. Typically 30 minutes or so. Schedule taht for off-peak hours. |
| 01:06.12 | karsten | Dewi: X or console? |
| 01:06.13 | dendrite | braindead: OK, try apt-cache depends webmin |
| 01:06.16 | EdLin | karsten: if you're using alsa with alsa-tools alsamixer |
| 01:06.16 | Dewi | karsten: console |
| 01:06.26 | Dewi | karsten: this display can't handle 50 lines properly |
| 01:06.32 | piper69 | ping me |
| 01:06.55 | cliff_ | wols_, karsten: thanks for the info. |
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| 01:07.01 | braindead | dependencies list is long dendrite |
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| 01:07.12 | dendrite | karsten: Worst case is the test heats the drive up, and it's bearings croak. |
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| 01:07.23 | piper69 | abrotman: you on |
| 01:07.25 | braindead | bash, perl, webmin-XXX (where it is all kind of apps, like mysql, proftpd |
| 01:07.26 | dendrite | braindead: Well, there is your answer. |
| 01:07.27 | EdLin | Dewi: Debian doesn't default on most architectures to anything but 80x25. Which Debian are you running? |
| 01:07.28 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:07.34 | Dewi | EdLin: it's a rescue disk |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | kind of .. give me a few |
| 01:07.38 | dendrite | braindead: That doesn't sound right. |
| 01:07.39 | Dewi | EdLin: some busybox thing |
| 01:07.44 | braindead | but would it be safe to remove? |
| 01:07.49 | dendrite | braindead: But, I have no experience with webmin. |
| 01:07.49 | cliff_ | dendrite: I have a replacment drive on hand. |
| 01:07.51 | EdLin | Dewi: Debian has no special Debian rescue disk. |
| 01:07.52 | piper69 | abrotman: whats up bro, i can't get the card to work still |
| 01:07.52 | braindead | or will it remove all my other apps |
| 01:07.57 | Dewi | EdLin: CORRECT |
| 01:08.01 | dendrite | cliff_: Ah. Good. Then test away! :-) |
| 01:08.03 | Dewi | EdLin: THAT IS WHY I AM NOT USING ONE |
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| 01:08.06 | abrotman | piper69: did you ask #wireless ? |
| 01:08.10 | Dewi | EdLin: if you can answer, then answer. don't patronise me |
| 01:08.13 | braindead | as webmin is done in such way to operate with other apps |
| 01:08.14 | EdLin | Dewi: then why are you asking in #debian about a non-Debian problem? |
| 01:08.21 | cliff_ | dendrite: thanks for the help. |
| 01:08.22 | EdLin | Dewi: there is ##linux, after all |
| 01:08.27 | piper69 | abrotman: the are asleep all the time , but i will try now again |
| 01:08.31 | Dewi | EdLin: because normally folks in here can be quite helpful about basic questions like this |
| 01:08.36 | Dewi | EdLin: obviously not today |
| 01:08.37 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 01:08.37 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 01:08.40 | karsten | Dewi: 'vga=' at console. You can also use SVGATextMode. |
| 01:08.48 | braindead | dendrite? |
| 01:08.55 | abrotman | piper69: please do .. tha terror you're getting is very important |
| 01:08.58 | braindead | what do you think will happen? |
| 01:08.59 | dendrite | cliff_: The fact that it's raid does buy you some comfort. I've learned not to mess with dying drives, except to make sure backups are current... =) |
| 01:09.02 | Dewi | karsten: as a kernel parameter? |
| 01:09.10 | Dewi | EdLin: are you done spamming the channel yet? |
| 01:09.13 | karsten | Dewi: vga= is a boot param. |
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| 01:09.32 | piper69 | abrotman: i am not getting any error its just not working |
| 01:09.32 | dendrite | braindead: Now you know what the system things it things depend on webmin. Sounds very strange to me. |
| 01:09.38 | abrotman | yes you are |
| 01:09.41 | karsten | EdLin: which control under alsamixer? I thought there was a value _specifically_ for bell under tset or xset or something. |
| 01:09.42 | abrotman | you were |
| 01:09.50 | EdLin | Dewi: the bot, used judiciously, is not spam. You're the one filling the channel with an off-topic query just because "#Debian's smart" |
| 01:09.50 | abrotman | piper69: see if karsten knows! |
| 01:10.03 | EdLin | karsten: move to the right, and youll see that. |
| 01:10.04 | karsten | Dewi: framebuffer-howto has a number of values in it. |
| 01:10.10 | EdLin | karsten: yes there is, it's for X though. |
| 01:10.24 | piper69 | karsten: you here man, i need help setting up a Netgear MA401 |
| 01:10.28 | cliff_ | karsten: did you get an answer to your system bell? rmmod pcspkr is one way |
| 01:10.30 | Dewi | EdLin: I don't agree that linux question are off-topic here. If linux questions are off-topic, and kde and gnome questions are off-topic, then all that is left is basically policy bugs |
| 01:10.41 | karsten | piper69: No time, sorry |
| 01:10.44 | Dewi | EdLin: or policy questions "how does debian do X" |
| 01:10.53 | piper69 | karsten: understandable |
| 01:11.00 | Dewi | EdLin: and yet those are not the majority of questions here, never have been, and never will be |
| 01:11.13 | EdLin | Dewi: the fact remains, its a question about a problem you're having with a non-Debian setup |
| 01:11.18 | Azar | karsten: pc speak? |
| 01:11.23 | dondelelcaro | karsten: there is, and it's xset b off; |
| 01:11.33 | EdLin | Dewi: #debian is not ##linux |
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| 01:12.18 | dondelelcaro | (or setterm -blength 0) |
| 01:12.21 | karsten | Azar: Well, actually, it's getting mainlined to my ears via headphones ATM. |
| 01:12.26 | karsten | Azar: Bloody annoying. |
| 01:12.43 | Dewi | EdLin: yeah, and I think you're being a pedantic twat. And pedantic twats cause more spam in this channel than *any other factor* |
| 01:13.03 | Azar | karsten: looking at mine I see pc speak off 0 mightbe that one |
| 01:13.09 | piper69 | when i pump eth2 i get "pump: no extra parameters are expected" |
| 01:13.09 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: if you want to attack people, do it elsewhere, please. |
| 01:13.20 | dondelelcaro | !bell |
| 01:13.20 | dpkg | methinks bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 01:13.33 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Any idea what the defaults are or how to display them? |
| 01:14.00 | karsten | ... or belle... |
| 01:14.06 | EdLin | karsten: that's where alsamixer comes in... |
| 01:14.22 | Azar | EdLin: we are talking about alsamixer :) |
| 01:14.25 | karsten | EdLin: Except that I couldn't find anythign in it that appeared relevant. |
| 01:14.26 | EdLin | karsten: you've got to scroll off to the right, it escaped me too when I first used it. |
| 01:14.27 | dondelelcaro | karsten: xset q; et al. |
| 01:14.38 | JoshJ | speaking of completion, why doesn't apt-get install autocomplete? |
| 01:14.46 | dondelelcaro | JoshJ: it does |
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| 01:14.54 | JoshJ | i don't mean apt-get ins<tab> |
| 01:15.03 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, bash and zsh have autocomplete rules for it) |
| 01:15.06 | JoshJ | well, hm |
| 01:15.09 | Azar | JoshJ: will autocomplete from an existing list on screen |
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| 01:15.11 | JoshJ | it does as user, which is useless |
| 01:15.13 | JoshJ | but won't as root |
| 01:15.25 | dondelelcaro | JoshJ: that's because root isn't sourcing the completion rules. |
| 01:15.32 | JoshJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.44 | dondelelcaro | JoshJ: and it's fine if it just does it as a user, because you should be doing something like sudo aptitude install foopkg; anyway. |
| 01:15.52 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 01:15.57 | JoshJ | not if i don't have sudo set up :p |
| 01:16.11 | dondelelcaro | JoshJ: well, now's the time to rectify that. |
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| 01:16.18 | JoshJ | i'm the only user on this box, so sudo's extra logging of who does what isn't particularly useful |
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| 01:16.25 | Azar | JoshJ: I use "su" and going just fine |
| 01:16.39 | dondelelcaro | no, but what is useful is not not having su'ed shells running around |
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| 01:16.44 | JoshJ | heh |
| 01:16.52 | JoshJ | not a problem for me *shrug* |
| 01:16.53 | whycry | ho ho |
| 01:17.02 | Azar | JoshJ: so is my case too but I can't be less than paranoical |
| 01:17.03 | JoshJ | mainly because i obsessively close windows i'm not using |
| 01:17.04 | dondelelcaro | well, eventually you'll see the logic... |
| 01:17.08 | whycry | Co aii Noi Tieng' viet nam hong |
| 01:17.10 | karsten | JoshJ: Using sudo is a good habit to get into. Eventually you'll find yourself on systems with multiple users. |
| 01:17.20 | JoshJ | karsten, i switched to debian from ubuntu |
| 01:17.31 | JoshJ | i'm familiar with sudo :p |
| 01:17.35 | Azar | aw |
| 01:17.41 | Xenguy | JoshJ: heh, me too (deb->ubu->deb) |
| 01:17.59 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah, I've never left mine enabled on any system I've been on |
| 01:18.01 | JoshJ | i may end up going ubu->deb->ubu with feisty +1 depending on what they do with click-n-run |
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| 01:18.05 | dav__ | elo |
| 01:18.05 | dondelelcaro | karsten: the flashing is good enough |
| 01:18.14 | Guerin | eew, click-n-run |
| 01:18.15 | karsten | dondelelcaro: With headphones on it's just plain painful. |
| 01:18.26 | JoshJ | i said depending :p |
| 01:18.42 | EdLin | JoshJ: your business, some people prefer not to sacrifice freedom for convenience. |
| 01:18.42 | JoshJ | i don't much care for ubuntu's policy with respect to including non-free software in the default install |
| 01:18.45 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OS X's screen flash thingie is actually kinda cool. |
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| 01:19.02 | dav__ | tomorrow i will install windows with my linux(already instaled) to regenerate the grub, i will only have to boot with a linu xlive cd make a chroot to my harddisk and run grub-install /dev/hda that's all ? |
| 01:19.03 | JoshJ | but click-and-run as a way to get codecs instead of "psst here's a foreign server for w32codecs" is definitely an improvement |
| 01:19.13 | EdLin | JoshJ: the whole point to click-n-run is to make installation of non-free software from linspire's repositories easier. |
| 01:19.23 | JoshJ | dav__, you may want to look into the "super grub disc" |
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| 01:19.46 | dav__ | JoshJ, what is that ? |
| 01:19.57 | DavidProck1981 | has any one ever had a motherboard that had raid support built into it. And have 4 HardDrives in the raid, and when you get a new motherboard with raid support, Being able to move the HardDrives over with out loseing any thing ? |
| 01:20.07 | JoshJ | it supposedly does a good job of automating that issue |
| 01:20.11 | JoshJ | i've never used it |
| 01:20.11 | Sazpaimon | so I'm attempting to use this serial console that comes with my hosting, and it seems to stop doing anything at |
| 01:20.13 | thechef | dav__, that's the way i do it and it always worked |
| 01:20.14 | JoshJ | so you'll want to google :p |
| 01:20.14 | Sazpaimon | err |
| 01:20.19 | Sazpaimon | "Escape character is '^]'." |
| 01:20.22 | EdLin | sigh, how do I get sucked into these off-topic conversations? |
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| 01:20.30 | karsten | DavidProck1981: Nope. Never happened. It's a myth. And lies. And besides, everyone else was doing it at the time. |
| 01:20.43 | Sazpaimon | I've never used a serial console before so I'm not sure what to do |
| 01:20.46 | Azar | JoshJ: you one of those who would click on any EULA no matter what it say: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/nodes/1740/figure3.jpg |
| 01:21.03 | JoshJ | Azar, stuff it |
| 01:21.06 | Xenguy | EdLin: OT is yer friend :-) |
| 01:21.15 | Azar | I guess I was right this tim |
| 01:21.16 | Azar | e |
| 01:21.26 | JoshJ | <JoshJ> i don't much care for ubuntu's policy with respect to including non-free software in the default install |
| 01:21.26 | JoshJ | <JoshJ> but click-and-run as a way to get codecs instead of "psst here's a foreign server for w32codecs" is definitely an improvement |
| 01:21.30 | dav__ | theblue, i havn't done the good way, normallyy we have to install windows before and linux after isn't it ? |
| 01:21.34 | karsten | Sazpaimon: Try <enter> |
| 01:21.43 | DavidProck1981 | karsten, so it can be done? |
| 01:21.45 | Sazpaimon | didn't do anything |
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| 01:21.51 | Sazpaimon | and putty just closed |
| 01:21.53 | theblue | dav__: Usually, yes. |
| 01:22.05 | theblue | dav__: Windows usually swallows up whatever bootloader's installed. |
| 01:22.10 | Sazpaimon | i thought I can access a server via serial console even if it's being pounded by connections |
| 01:22.27 | thechef | Can I execute a debian installer (not just debootstrap manually) on an already installed system to debian to a new hard-drive |
| 01:22.32 | JoshJ | Azar, you can't see a real benefit of being able to get certain software legally? |
| 01:22.37 | karsten | Sazpaimon: You need to run a getty on that console. There should be a commented entry in /etc/inittab. Uncomment it, run 'init q' |
| 01:22.52 | abrotman | thechef: eh ? you want it on the other HDD too ? |
| 01:22.53 | Sazpaimon | I think my server is being either digged or ddosed |
| 01:22.57 | karsten | Sazpaimon: ... will activate it. Then you can connect over serial port, you should see a standard login banner. |
| 01:23.07 | Azar | JoshJ: I don't care about certain software as long as is non-free... Im not going to give them that satisfaction |
| 01:23.17 | karsten | Sazpaimon: This assumes you can get shell on the box by some method ;-) |
| 01:23.27 | Sazpaimon | so it might be because the cpu usage is like 100% or something |
| 01:23.31 | JoshJ | Azar, there's some free software that's illegal in the US |
| 01:23.33 | DavidProck1981 | karsten, so it can be done?? |
| 01:23.44 | dendrite | thechef: Yes, you should be able to. Just don't tell the installer to touch the old disk. |
| 01:23.45 | karsten | Sazpaimon: #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 01:23.47 | EdLin | JoshJ: what becomes magically legal and free-software about windows codecs if the method becomes easier? |
| 01:23.50 | karsten | DavidProck1981: NFC, sorry. |
| 01:23.55 | karsten | DavidProck1981: I suspect it can be though. |
| 01:23.57 | JoshJ | free software, no, but legal, yes |
| 01:24.01 | Azar | for example at work: if the power goes off or servers go down I can do my work without them electronic spreadhseets , harder but I do it |
| 01:24.02 | karsten | EdLin: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 01:24.03 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: and make a backup first |
| 01:24.07 | Sazpaimon | karsten, where do I do this ibn |
| 01:24.08 | Sazpaimon | *in |
| 01:24.11 | Sazpaimon | my actual server? |
| 01:24.17 | karsten | Sazpaimon: Yes. |
| 01:24.25 | Sazpaimon | ok then I'll need to actually do that |
| 01:24.29 | Sazpaimon | I can't seem to access it |
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| 01:24.36 | karsten | Sazpaimon: You'll need to be able to get shell on it somehow. At console (other than serial, obviously), ssh, whatever. |
| 01:24.37 | Sazpaimon | like I said I think it's being ddosed |
| 01:24.45 | Kevin` | cpu usage at 100% wouldn't stop you from logging in. cpu usage at 100000% might |
| 01:24.46 | thechef | abrotman, My current installation seems to be a bit broken and I don't have cdrom drive or floppy etc |
| 01:24.47 | Azar | JoshJ: I do not try to build bombs, arms, sell kidporn... or drugs with illegal software |
| 01:24.56 | abrotman | over serial cable? |
| 01:25.04 | abrotman | thechef: so use debootstrap :) |
| 01:25.06 | karsten | Kevin`: Depends what's using CPU and how it's conflicting w/ other processes. |
| 01:25.20 | Sazpaimon | regardless |
| 01:25.24 | Sazpaimon | I rebooted it |
| 01:25.25 | karsten | Azar: bombs, arms, kidpr0n, have what to do with #debian? |
| 01:25.30 | Sazpaimon | now it's letting me log in via ssh |
| 01:25.37 | Azar | karsten: sorry I was replying to Josh |
| 01:25.40 | thechef | abrotman, but debootstrap installs e minimal system and i can't choose what to install. It's not like a installer. |
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| 01:25.44 | karsten | Sazpaimon: OK. |
| 01:25.59 | Sazpaimon | so do I run that command> |
| 01:26.01 | karsten | Sazpaimon: You should find that line in inittab. It's standard. Just uncomment and 'init q' |
| 01:26.01 | Sazpaimon | *? |
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| 01:26.20 | piper69 | when i do ifconfig -a why do u get e.g. eth0-00 and eth2-00 what are those |
| 01:26.29 | JoshJ | Azar, look at deCSS for an example :\ |
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| 01:26.40 | JoshJ | and whatever the hd-dvd thing is called |
| 01:26.43 | karsten | piper69: Probably ip aliases. see /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:26.45 | Kevin` | root@kwzs:~# grep ttyS0 /nfsroot/etc/inittab |
| 01:26.45 | Kevin` | T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100 |
| 01:26.51 | Kevin` | example for serial login |
| 01:26.57 | thechef | my current system is a system I configured with debootstrap and it doesn't seem to work great. Maybe an installer would take care of everything, while me, the user, can't think of everything. |
| 01:27.00 | JoshJ | i expect linspire will have a "legal" decss license or whatever |
| 01:27.01 | mikefoo | Hey if I have a 6 drive server, how sould I setup /boot so its redundant if one drive fails? |
| 01:27.02 | abrotman | JoshH: uhm .. not quite |
| 01:27.04 | Sazpaimon | "[ "T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 ..." not found ]" |
| 01:27.11 | karsten | Sazpaimon: You may want to add the appropriate serial port to /etc/securetty |
| 01:27.15 | Kevin` | that's not a command Sazpaimon |
| 01:27.21 | Sazpaimon | i know |
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| 01:27.24 | piper69 | karsten: nothing refrence to them in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:27.29 | Sazpaimon | Im doing a search in nano |
| 01:27.30 | JoshJ | again, Azar, i said it's a may |
| 01:27.34 | JoshJ | not that i'm going to do it |
| 01:27.46 | karsten | Sazpaimon: That's a line in the file /etc/inittab |
| 01:27.55 | Sazpaimon | T0:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L ttyS0 57600 vt100 is already uncommented |
| 01:27.58 | Kevin` | you probably don't just want "23" in your case, though |
| 01:27.59 | karsten | Sazpaimon: /lastlog Sazpaimon and read with comprehension |
| 01:28.00 | Kevin` | do what makes sense |
| 01:28.12 | karsten | Sazpaimon: OK, then you should be running a getty there. |
| 01:28.21 | karsten | Sazpaimon: fuser -v /dev/ttyS0 |
| 01:28.28 | karsten | Sazpaimon: ... should show getty running there. |
| 01:28.30 | Kevin` | 57600 isn't a rate you see much, heh |
| 01:28.43 | karsten | Kevin`: It is for serial console. |
| 01:28.54 | Kevin` | I mean for serial.. |
| 01:29.19 | karsten | Kevin`: It is for serial console. |
| 01:29.20 | Sazpaimon | karsten, no output |
| 01:29.22 | karsten | ;-) |
| 01:29.35 | x3n0 | I have read quite a few tutorials on creatin swap files... |
| 01:29.43 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon you of course have the port settings matched on the other side? |
| 01:29.43 | karsten | Sazpaimon: What are you connecting with? OS and SW. |
| 01:29.53 | Sazpaimon | the serial console uses debian |
| 01:29.58 | Sazpaimon | the server uses fedora core |
| 01:30.20 | karsten | Sazpaimon: You're connecting to the FC serial as well. On that side use minicom. |
| 01:30.27 | karsten | Sazpaimon: minicom -s /dev/ttyS0 |
| 01:30.29 | x3n0 | but when I put it to practice. It doesn't seem to have worked.., |
| 01:30.36 | karsten | Sazpaimon: ... then <enter> should bring up a login prompt |
| 01:30.41 | Azar | JoshJ: if you try to imply that using Debian is illegal I guess you are wrong |
| 01:30.46 | JoshJ | Azar, i'm not |
| 01:30.59 | JoshJ | but using certain software (such as deCSS) is |
| 01:31.04 | JoshJ | thanks to the bs DMCA |
| 01:31.04 | Azar | I am not using nothing else but Debian and its related packages |
| 01:31.10 | Kevin` | it's doubtful just running minicom like that would get it working |
| 01:31.16 | karsten | x3n0: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M seek=1000 count=0 of=swapfile; mkswap swapfile |
| 01:31.16 | Kevin` | you have to match the port settings |
| 01:31.20 | Azar | JoshJ: I am not using deCSS |
| 01:31.22 | x3n0 | The swap file is there, but it isn't being used by my system. |
| 01:31.25 | karsten | x3n0: ... creates a 1 GB sparse swapfile |
| 01:31.37 | karsten | x3n0: man swapon |
| 01:31.37 | JoshJ | Azar, nor am i, but if i wanted to i'd certainly prefer to do so legally than illegally |
| 01:31.44 | JoshJ | note that i'm currently using debian :p |
| 01:31.46 | karsten | x3n0: .. and man 5 fstab |
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| 01:32.03 | x3n0 | its loaded in fstab |
| 01:32.03 | Azar | JoshJ: I doubt Debian packages (software) would be illegal |
| 01:32.09 | Kevin` | libdvdcss works great for me for watching dvds, screw those who complain about it being illegal for whatever reason |
| 01:32.13 | abrotman | JoshJ: it's the way the DeCSS was obtained |
| 01:32.20 | karsten | Kevin`: If he's running getty at the other end, it should What do you see wrong with it? |
| 01:32.25 | JoshJ | abrotman, it's still a DMCA violation to use it |
| 01:32.31 | Sazpaimon | karsten, -bash: minicom: command not found |
| 01:32.31 | JoshJ | unless you get a license for it |
| 01:32.32 | Kevin` | karsten serial doesn't magically select the rate |
| 01:32.34 | abrotman | i don't think it is |
| 01:32.36 | karsten | JoshJ: #debian-ot |
| 01:32.40 | abrotman | god no! |
| 01:32.45 | JoshJ | and linspire solves that |
| 01:32.46 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon screen /dev/ttyS0 57600 |
| 01:32.47 | karsten | Kevin`: Point. |
| 01:32.47 | abrotman | don't go in there .. they're mean and nasty in there! |
| 01:32.51 | streuner | haha |
| 01:33.01 | x3n0 | used similar dd command. ( 3 Gb swap though ) |
| 01:33.08 | Azar | :) the kinky nest |
| 01:33.34 | karsten | Kevin`: Woah, screen does that? |
| 01:33.38 | Kevin` | karsten yep |
| 01:33.54 | EdLin | screen! It dices, it slices! |
| 01:33.59 | Azar | what's screen? |
| 01:34.06 | EdLin | Azar: apt-get install screen |
| 01:34.07 | karsten | EdLin: it attaches! it detaches! |
| 01:34.10 | Xenguy | screen rocks |
| 01:34.11 | JoshJ | screen is AWESOME. |
| 01:34.11 | krazykit | screen is one of the most useful programs ever |
| 01:34.14 | karsten | !screen |
| 01:34.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen, or |
| 01:34.15 | JoshJ | it's like alt-tab for terminals |
| 01:34.32 | Azar | EdLin: needs a desktop ? I have none |
| 01:34.36 | JoshJ | or more accurately, control-tab |
| 01:34.38 | streuner | no |
| 01:34.39 | JoshJ | no, for terminals |
| 01:34.41 | EdLin | Azar: doesn't even need X |
| 01:34.46 | Azar | ah cool |
| 01:34.49 | karsten | Azar: Screen is the hawtest chick (or guy, if you prefer) you've ever seen. x10. *And* it's got a totally cool, laid-back personality. |
| 01:35.09 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 01:36.01 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, ok what now |
| 01:36.07 | Kevin` | press enter a few times |
| 01:36.10 | karsten | Azar: terminal multiplexer, makes tabbed terminal apps utterly useless. Persistant, offers cut and paste (without mouse or x11), scrollback, and persistence across multiple remote connections. I'm in a screen session here. |
| 01:36.13 | Sazpaimon | nothing |
| 01:36.26 | Azar | huh I already had it but it tells me it must chmod 775 |
| 01:36.47 | karsten | Azar: ... with another 10 screen sessions running on my work systems -- and that's just locally. |
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| 01:36.53 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon try disabling the login screen and getty and run a matching screen program on the other side, to make sure the cable is working |
| 01:37.03 | EdLin | I like to use screen with IRC, you can run either console or X without spoiling your uptime. ;-) |
| 01:37.09 | Azar | karsten: wait is this like the Fn keys? |
| 01:37.17 | karsten | Azar: Much more useful. |
| 01:37.19 | Azar | the terminals by Fn keys? |
| 01:37.30 | Azar | ok Ill chmod to 775 |
| 01:37.34 | EdLin | Azar: that's like saying is MS-DOS like VMS |
| 01:37.42 | JoshJ | lol |
| 01:37.47 | karsten | Azar: But similar idea to virtual consoles. With screen, you don't need to log in. You can also split the display and show multiple terminals at the same time. |
| 01:37.49 | JoshJ | or "DOS is like UNIX" |
| 01:38.03 | EdLin | "is that a DOS window you got there"? |
| 01:38.08 | JoshJ | (possibly followed up by "...see? cd works the same way in both of them!" |
| 01:38.10 | abrotman | dos had the best command ever .. 'park' |
| 01:38.22 | Kevin` | http://kwzz.be/~kevin/blah.jpg - wee serial. wanted to test that odd 57600 rate |
| 01:38.23 | karsten | abrotman: Did that come with a "play" option? |
| 01:38.26 | JoshJ | park? wtf? |
| 01:38.29 | EdLin | abrotman: no, edlin |
| 01:38.32 | karsten | JoshJ: disk heads |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | eww |
| 01:38.35 | JoshJ | lol |
| 01:38.43 | Kevin` | kwzs.be/~kevin/blah.jpg * |
| 01:38.45 | JoshJ | ew edlin :( |
| 01:38.46 | abrotman | it would put the disk heads back in the resting spot |
| 01:38.53 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, uhh....? |
| 01:38.56 | JoshJ | of course.... ew, ed |
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| 01:39.00 | karsten | From an age before self-parking disks. |
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| 01:39.05 | JoshJ | wow |
| 01:39.05 | Sazpaimon | Im not sure I can do that, this is all remote |
| 01:39.14 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon remove the line from inittab and start screen on both ends |
| 01:39.29 | dav__ | i have always the same fucking message that is not normal... i havn't got any /dev/video or /dev/video0 device :( |
| 01:39.30 | Kevin` | make sure getty isn't runnning on the serial line at the time |
| 01:39.39 | karsten | Sazpaimon: ... *and* run 'init q' *and* kill the relevant getty session. |
| 01:40.07 | karsten | ... that when I parked them, they had a backup beeper. |
| 01:40.51 | krazykit | wow. |
| 01:40.58 | dvs | yuk yuk yuk yuk |
| 01:41.04 | rahul | !penixstrike karsten |
| 01:41.05 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking karsten to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:41.17 | rahul | it's a good thing I decided to look at this channel at this moment |
| 01:41.29 | dvs | yeah |
| 01:41.29 | Ronin | rahul: timing is everyting |
| 01:41.31 | Ronin | thing |
| 01:41.46 | rahul | indeed. |
| 01:42.49 | Regnad | "SIYH"? "Smoke If You Have'em"? |
| 01:43.08 | krazykit | sooner if you help :-P |
| 01:43.12 | rahul | show it if you got it |
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| 01:43.31 | Azar | hmmm screen was installed by someone else on my system I have no idea how it works |
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| 01:43.36 | JoshJ | man screen, obv |
| 01:44.19 | Kevin` | Hmm, is there a way to have getty not set the baud rate (use the existing one) |
| 01:44.32 | rahul | Kevin`: probably not |
| 01:44.39 | jeffwheeler | I've used Debian a fair amount, but I've never installed without an internet connection. I'm not exactly sure which version to download: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/bt-cd/. |
| 01:44.50 | rahul | Kevin`: why couldn't you put the baud rate in inittab? |
| 01:45.27 | Kevin` | rahul when it's mismatched with the initial rate on the system console things get annoying |
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| 01:45.43 | rahul | so don't mismatch it :) |
| 01:45.48 | Kevin` | peh |
| 01:45.54 | dvs | jeffwheeler: all the binary discs |
| 01:46.04 | jeffwheeler | all 14? |
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| 01:46.12 | dvs | jeffwheeler: But I'd go after the DVD images myself |
| 01:46.16 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: depends what you want |
| 01:46.26 | Kevin` | jeffwheeler the first disk is enough for a normal install |
| 01:46.30 | Sazpaimon | alright |
| 01:46.31 | Sazpaimon | so |
| 01:46.31 | Regnad | jeffwheeler - that particular directory is just the torrent files, in case you didn't notice |
| 01:46.36 | Sazpaimon | I remove that one line from my inittab |
| 01:46.45 | Sazpaimon | run init q |
| 01:46.56 | Sazpaimon | then do I start screen in another session? |
| 01:47.02 | jeffwheeler | I'm basically wanting something basic; a simple install of GNOME, and I can get the rest with the internet connection once I have Firefox or something; the proxy I have to use is spunky, so I have to authenticate through a literal HTML form. |
| 01:47.14 | Azar | :) eh cool |
| 01:47.29 | dvs | jeffwheeler: oh, if you will eventually have an internet connection then the first disc is fine. |
| 01:47.37 | dvs | binary-1` |
| 01:47.38 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon you need to run screen on each computer with the correct device and the same rate, how you do that is up to you |
| 01:47.38 | JoshJ | well the first disc doesn't give you gnome to start with |
| 01:47.49 | JoshJ | unless i've got "first disc" confused with "netinst" |
| 01:48.06 | dvs | JoshH: NOT the netinst with no internet connection |
| 01:48.23 | dvs | JoshH: you'll get a VERY basic system that way |
| 01:48.28 | JoshJ | dvs, believe me, i know.. it took me 5 tries to get the stupid netinst thing to get going through my university's setup >_< |
| 01:48.31 | jeffwheeler | okay; so the first CD _will_ have GNOME, or some browser? |
| 01:48.31 | Sazpaimon | this is what the serial console is telling me when I log in: Trying 172.19.54.8... Escape character is '^]'. screen /dev/ttyS0 576000 |
| 01:48.41 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: CD1 should be sufficient |
| 01:48.43 | Ronin | jeffwheeler: yes |
| 01:48.44 | jeffwheeler | okay |
| 01:48.46 | jeffwheeler | sweet; thanks :) |
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| 01:48.52 | Sazpaimon | and I cant do anything at all |
| 01:48.54 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 01:48.54 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 01:48.55 | Ronin | iirc it uses gnome by default if you install x |
| 01:48.57 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: ^^^^ |
| 01:49.02 | whycry | help meee |
| 01:49.06 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon your using telnet? |
| 01:49.07 | Azar | as I know allways the 1st CD lets you do a BASIC install with no destkop if you want |
| 01:49.10 | whycry | help meee |
| 01:49.12 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, putty |
| 01:49.16 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon you have an extra 0 in the rate |
| 01:49.16 | Ronin | whycry: try asking your question |
| 01:49.21 | Ronin | dvs: hit it harder |
| 01:49.24 | dvs | ok |
| 01:49.35 | Azar | sorry whycry we overlooked your question |
| 01:49.38 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon you did screen from a bash prompt I assume? |
| 01:49.51 | whycry | Toi hong biet Tieng' anh |
| 01:49.53 | Sazpaimon | yes |
| 01:49.57 | abrotman | Azar: he didn't ask one! |
| 01:49.57 | whycry | lam` sao noi voi may chu' |
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| 01:50.01 | abrotman | english |
| 01:50.03 | Ronin | ahh one of those |
| 01:50.11 | Ronin | whycry: english will help greatly |
| 01:50.14 | Azar | whycry: we only speak english here |
| 01:50.17 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon why does it say "trying blah blah.. escape character is..". putty doesn't say that so your worrying me |
| 01:50.25 | Ronin | Azar: or try to at least :) |
| 01:50.25 | abrotman | azar not so much .. but he tries |
| 01:50.26 | JoshJ | whycry, there are channels for different languages |
| 01:51.11 | Azar | haha |
| 01:51.12 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon anyway ctrl+a K to kill screen window |
| 01:51.12 | whycry | hiccc |
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| 01:51.12 | Azar | I guess is an asian language of some sort |
| 01:51.13 | abrotman | !samueljacksonsmite azar |
| 01:51.13 | abrotman | oh well |
| 01:51.13 | Sazpaimon | wait hold on |
| 01:51.13 | Ronin | Azar: or just trolling |
| 01:51.13 | Sazpaimon | ok odd |
| 01:51.13 | Sazpaimon | I connected to the seral console |
| 01:51.18 | Sazpaimon | and NOW i can see crap in my screen window when I type it in the serial console |
| 01:51.22 | Azar | I saw him earlier emiting some sounds around.. |
| 01:51.32 | whycry | vietnammes |
| 01:51.39 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon crap or what you typed? |
| 01:51.44 | Sazpaimon | what I typed |
| 01:52.18 | Azar | whycry: awwwww sorryyyy we don't know vietnamese |
| 01:52.18 | Kevin` | kgood |
| 01:52.18 | Kevin` | on each end? |
| 01:52.18 | abrotman | there's a chinese channel .. i think that's it |
| 01:52.18 | Ronin | ohh, humm there a vietnamese #debian ? |
| 01:52.18 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, if I type in the screen window it appears in the serial console |
| 01:52.19 | Sazpaimon | and vice versa |
| 01:52.19 | Sazpaimon | so yes |
| 01:52.45 | Kevin` | ok, I don't see a reason why getty using the same settings would not be working then |
| 01:52.56 | Sazpaimon | let me try re-enabling it |
| 01:53.10 | Kevin` | kill screen first of course, and init q |
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| 01:54.28 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, still nothing :/ |
| 01:54.28 | whycry | rerister #vietnam |
| 01:54.37 | Sazpaimon | also getty isnt running on the server |
| 01:54.50 | Sazpaimon | ps ax | grep getty is returning nothing |
| 01:55.08 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon that's odd. doesn't the server have normal vts too? |
| 01:55.14 | Kevin` | those would be running getty also |
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| 01:55.24 | Sazpaimon | i dont know |
| 01:55.27 | Sazpaimon | how do I check |
| 01:55.41 | Kevin` | #1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 01:55.41 | Kevin` | #2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 |
| 01:55.41 | Kevin` | #3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3 |
| 01:55.46 | Kevin` | lines like that in inittab |
| 01:55.51 | whycry | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:56.00 | Kevin` | only not commented out, because your computer has an actual keyboard unlike mine |
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| 01:56.57 | Sazpaimon | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty1 |
| 01:57.00 | Sazpaimon | I see lines like that |
| 01:57.02 | JoshJ | hm |
| 01:57.24 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon and yet [min]getty isn't running? |
| 01:57.40 | JoshJ | whycry, "vn" is the abbreviation for vietnam, maybe there's a #debian-vn or #linux-vn |
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| 01:58.02 | whycry | thank jaalto |
| 01:58.02 | Sazpaimon | like I said, ps ax | grep getty is returning nothing |
| 01:58.10 | Kevin` | odd. |
| 01:58.27 | Kevin` | syslog report any complaints from init? |
| 01:58.30 | whycry | have fun |
| 01:58.33 | whycry | bussy |
| 01:59.07 | abrotman | josh415: neither :) |
| 01:59.26 | JoshJ | abrotman, if that's targeted at me, i was just guessing :\ |
| 01:59.33 | abrotman | it was |
| 01:59.37 | abrotman | !beer josh415 |
| 02:00.20 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, messages.log doesnt show anything |
| 02:01.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe you should join the games team ? |
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| 02:02.19 | DavidProck1981 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05zhL1YUd8Q&mode=related&search= |
| 02:02.19 | Sazpaimon | screen /dev/ttyS0 57600 is still working though... |
| 02:03.38 | Azar | whycry: http://www.nabble.com/debian-user-vietnamese-f12483.html |
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| 02:04.12 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: stop that |
| 02:04.25 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, after a while the putty window for the serial console closes |
| 02:04.54 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon it shouldn't |
| 02:05.17 | Sazpaimon | obviously |
| 02:06.41 | abrotman | Azar: whycry http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-vietnamese/ |
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| 02:07.36 | Azar | ah thanks abrotman :) |
| 02:07.57 | Azar | tarzeau!!! |
| 02:08.24 | Azar | :) |
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| 02:10.58 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, if I run /sbin/agetty -L ttyS0 57600 vt100 when I open an ssh session with the serial console it appears to work |
| 02:11.07 | Sazpaimon | but the ssh window from my server closes |
| 02:11.45 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon must be a problem with init |
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| 02:13.03 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, any way I can check? |
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| 02:13.36 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon i've never had this problem, but init usually complains to the log when it has problems with the config file (which I assume is the issue) |
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| 02:19.21 | lunaphyte | where can i find a skeleton init script? |
| 02:19.31 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:19.37 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, nothing in the log :/ |
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| 02:21.11 | lunaphyte | i suppose that would have been a reasonable place to look.. thanks. |
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| 02:30.37 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 02:30.37 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:31.20 | Azar | hey it looks like everyone knows howto Debian .... no more questions! |
| 02:31.26 | Azar | !beer #debian |
| 02:32.01 | krazykit | !liquor #debian |
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| 02:32.10 | abrotman | doh! |
| 02:32.15 | JoshJ | ...how to debian? |
| 02:32.19 | JoshJ | i wasn't aware debian was a verb |
| 02:32.26 | Azar | everyone at #debian can take the desired vacation |
| 02:32.28 | krazykit | how i install debin? |
| 02:32.33 | JoshJ | apt-get install debin |
| 02:32.38 | Ronin | krazykit: www.debian.org |
| 02:32.42 | krazykit | :-P |
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| 02:32.59 | krazykit | i should break something so i can get help ;-) |
| 02:33.04 | JoshJ | lol |
| 02:33.05 | krazykit | make you work again |
| 02:33.12 | JoshJ | hit shift-numberlock and then forget about it :p |
| 02:33.42 | krazykit | aaaah my mouse moves funny when i try to type my numbers! |
| 02:33.58 | krazykit | i'd totally forgotten about that. good to know. |
| 02:34.12 | JoshJ | heh. if you scroll up far enough, that's what i asked when i joined :p |
| 02:34.48 | krazykit | i should write that on a ost-it |
| 02:34.57 | Azar | Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 72 well at least did not change much |
| 02:35.14 | smacnay | how does one call an alsa device in sox with the -d option? |
| 02:35.23 | Azar | this morning were 2 closed, 2 open now are 5 closed and 5 open |
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| 02:35.49 | krazykit | JoshJ, i'm totally going into the campus linux labs and doing that to all the machines ;-) |
| 02:35.54 | JoshJ | krazykit, lol |
| 02:36.22 | JoshJ | that behavior's set in X, isn't it? |
| 02:36.32 | krazykit | computer science majors everywhere will let out a collective "FSCK!" |
| 02:36.36 | JoshJ | if so, Solaris probably does that also... |
| 02:36.48 | krazykit | yeah, i think it's X |
| 02:36.50 | abrotman | smacnay: /dev/dsp ? |
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| 02:37.59 | Azar | hmm so acm still has bugs... I never liked acm not even back in the windows days |
| 02:38.15 | JoshJ | bah |
| 02:38.20 | JoshJ | the way our computer labs are set up here that's no good |
| 02:38.30 | JoshJ | everyone has to log in, etc |
| 02:38.48 | JoshJ | and nobody that's using the Solaris labs would leave a machine unattended and unlocked |
| 02:38.50 | lunaphyte | what do $local_fs and $remote_fs mean in # Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs in an init script? |
| 02:39.04 | JoshJ | fs is probably filesystem |
| 02:39.34 | lunaphyte | most init scripts seem to contain this reference, but i don't find either defined as a variable anywhere in etc. |
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| 02:41.11 | vn- | hi, anoyone knows of an iptables web-based management interface? |
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| 02:41.23 | lunaphyte | vyatta |
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| 02:45.24 | Azar | whoohoho... on testing, aptitude crashes when doing a purge |
| 02:45.27 | smacnay | abrotman: no device, maybe I need to load a module? |
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| 02:45.38 | abrotman | snd_pcm_oss ? |
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| 02:46.22 | smacnay | abrotman: yes, that would be the one |
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| 02:46.46 | Tobsn | hi |
| 02:46.58 | karsten | Hrm. What's a good way to absolutely, positively force a asystem to reboot, damn the facts, right now? |
| 02:47.23 | abrotman | reboot command ? |
| 02:47.24 | stew | karsten: hit the hardware reset button |
| 02:47.28 | lamer007 | init 6 |
| 02:47.28 | abrotman | kill <hostname> |
| 02:47.32 | Tobsn | anyone here who can help me with installing lighttpd? i tried it but configure says i need gthread... so i tried to install glib 2.6 but glib says my gcc is to old... now im a bit stuck... |
| 02:47.43 | karsten | /sbin/reboot -f -h fails. |
| 02:47.58 | karsten | stew: That's a bit of a hike ATM. It's the part I'm trying to avoid. |
| 02:48.01 | karsten | abrotman: Um, really? |
| 02:48.11 | abrotman | it used to work |
| 02:48.19 | EdLin | !lamer007++ |
| 02:48.21 | Azar | im using the reset button allways if refuses to go down |
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| 02:48.53 | Azar | or when I get bombarded |
| 02:49.15 | karsten | lamer007: Actually, that specifically doesn't work because the problem is a bunch of hung NFS mounts. Since init needs to complete the scripts in each runlevel, it hangs on umount. |
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| 02:49.40 | karsten | abrotman: "can't find process <servername>" |
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| 02:50.23 | abrotman | it used to work! |
| 02:50.30 | abrotman | we named a box 'kenny' for that reason |
| 02:50.35 | vn- | thanks lunaphyte, im checking that |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | though .. maybe it's a RH-ism |
| 02:50.41 | karsten | root 26502 0.0 0.0 11472 1076 ? D 18:18 0:00 /sbin/shutdown -r 0 w |
| 02:50.49 | karsten | shutdown in D state.... |
| 02:50.58 | bizz | how can I add 1024x768 as an option for display? |
| 02:51.22 | karsten | bizz: display + 786432 |
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| 02:52.00 | karsten | bizz: In what? console or X? |
| 02:52.10 | karsten | !tell bizz about drxx[ |
| 02:52.30 | dummy | how do i mount a usb flash drive it automounts in kde and gnome but after unmount i cant mount it again |
| 02:52.35 | EdLin | !tell bizz about drxx |
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| 02:53.21 | EdLin | dummy: did you unmount it before unplugging it? |
| 02:53.52 | dummy | yes |
| 02:54.17 | EdLin | dummy: do you have any processes still operating on files or in the directories in the mountpoint's tree? |
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| 02:54.50 | dummy | i dont think so |
| 02:55.11 | karsten | dummy: fuser -mv <mountpoint> and you'll know for sure |
| 02:56.15 | dummy | none |
| 02:56.44 | dummy | i tried rmmod usb-storage, modprobe usb-storage |
| 02:58.09 | mue_ | why does mr. knoppix have such a good hardware recognition in comparison to other distributions? |
| 02:58.18 | EdLin | !knoppix |
| 02:58.19 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 02:58.48 | dummy | thats what im trying to get on this flash drive im just sick of rebooting to remount |
| 02:59.00 | mue_ | etlin: i KNOW |
| 02:59.10 | mue_ | ... |
| 02:59.10 | EdLin | mue_: then that's even worse |
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| 03:00.27 | abrotman | mue_: ask them .. please |
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| 03:03.19 | mue_ | i i at least know parts of the answer |
| 03:03.29 | mue_ | of coz debian is totally free |
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| 03:04.02 | mue_ | and it is conservative |
| 03:04.16 | mue_ | and it's made for servers |
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| 03:07.37 | terr | does anyone here know what the default blocksize for scsitapes are in linux (debian woody but I imagine they are the same for all) |
| 03:07.49 | blenna_unix | off-topic: is 52 degress C good for a pentium 4 w/ HT? |
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| 03:08.27 | terr | I had to use mt setblk 0 in order to read a tape and now I need to set it back to default. I don't know what the defualt is, how to print it out |
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| 03:10.53 | markybob | blenna_unix, yes |
| 03:10.58 | simonrvn | terr: innit 512 B blocksize? or 1024? something like that, could be 2048 ... probably says it on the tape itself |
| 03:11.23 | terr | simonrvn: nope. |
| 03:11.28 | terr | doesn't say. |
| 03:11.57 | terr | 1024 is tiny. Should be 32K at least. Drive can hand 245K |
| 03:12.16 | abrotman | blenna_unix: ask #hardware or intel |
| 03:12.33 | terr | its a kernel parameter. |
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| 03:13.50 | terr | the default blksize might be set in a /etc file - which one tho? |
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| 03:23.22 | cld2 | anyone using smartmontools with SATA disks? |
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| 03:25.20 | sergio_ | !locales |
| 03:25.21 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 03:25.41 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 03:25.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 03:27.18 | corpcomp | I have just done the "ISP-style Email Service with Debian-Sarge and Postfix 2.1" from workaround.org and it is working, however I have a question. When I add a user I have to send an email to that user before that user can use their email. Am I correct in assuming that it is courier that creates the folder and subsequent email!! |
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| 03:28.03 | abrotman | using maildir ? |
| 03:28.14 | abrotman | uhm .. yeah .. courier does that |
| 03:29.56 | corp-mule | http://picasaweb.google.com/corp.mule/Drums/photo#s5024211393630485154 |
| 03:30.28 | corp-mule | sorry ... wrong window |
| 03:30.32 | abrotman | corp-mule: and it's borken |
| 03:31.12 | corp-mule | whew |
| 03:31.15 | corp-mule | thank god |
| 03:31.31 | whycry | i want register nick name |
| 03:31.34 | terr | anyone here on Debian sarge? I need a quick favour... type mt -f /dev/st0 status. I think this will work even if you don't have a scsi tape drive. If not I'll need to find someone who does. |
| 03:31.35 | whycry | help meeeee |
| 03:31.50 | corp-mule | whycry: |
| 03:32.00 | corp-mule | type .... /msg nickserv help |
| 03:32.33 | cld2 | is there anyway from keeping apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade from mucking my menu.lst |
| 03:32.57 | corp-mule | type .... /msg nickserv register help |
| 03:33.08 | dondelelcaro | cld2: yes; man update-grub; |
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| 03:33.16 | cld2 | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 03:33.53 | dondelelcaro | (generally you do want it to muck with your menu.list, but you want to use the options so that it mucks sanely with it) |
| 03:34.05 | abrotman | isn't there a kernel_pkg.conf item ? |
| 03:34.07 | cld2 | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 03:36.39 | abrotman | erm .. kernel-img.conf :) |
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| 03:39.20 | terr | is anyone here runing a scsi tape? an exabyte perhaps? |
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| 03:42.02 | abrotman | terr: i believe you're right |
| 03:42.51 | terr | abrotman: what I've managed to find tells me the dfault blocksize is 32768. But I'd like to confirm I've actually set it back to where it should be. |
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| 03:43.00 | abrotman | terr: is the st module loaded though ? |
| 03:43.24 | cld2 | is there a way to specify a different version of a given package to have apt(itude) install? |
| 03:43.37 | terr | abrotman: this is the thing that really irks me. THey caould have documented this clearly. I'd like to document this clearly. I can't! ANyone running into this will face this problem even 3 years from how. |
| 03:43.42 | abrotman | terr: oh .. nope |
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| 03:43.46 | terr | abrotman: yes the st module is loared. |
| 03:43.49 | terr | loaded |
| 03:43.53 | abrotman | terr: it doesn't work here |
| 03:44.02 | terr | do you run scsi tapes? |
| 03:44.15 | abrotman | not on that box tha ti checked |
| 03:44.22 | terr | ah |
| 03:44.29 | abrotman | but i do have boxes that do |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | doesn't everyone ln -s fd0 st0 ? |
| 03:45.09 | terr | It looks to me that it was smart eno0ught to load the driver... I see in /var/log/message what looks to be a driver being loaded when I poked in the tape. |
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| 03:45.53 | terr | abrotman: if you log into one of them then you might be able to do mt -f blah status |
| 03:46.03 | abrotman | terr: one that has or doesn't have? |
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| 03:46.23 | smacnay | hmm, I have my tape deck plugged into "line" of my sound card and can hear what the tape plays through the computer. I cannot get sox/rec to capture the audio. I am using 'rec -d /dev/dsp -c 2 -r 44100 -s w file.wav' and have set aumix to 'R' the line channel. What am I not doing correctly? |
| 03:46.28 | terr | abrotman: one that has |
| 03:46.37 | abrotman | smacnay: vsond maybe |
| 03:46.40 | abrotman | vsound |
| 03:46.49 | smacnay | hmm, let me see what that is. |
| 03:46.59 | terr | samiam: the card is not appsing this in to the macine. |
| 03:47.06 | terr | samiam: I suspect so anyways. |
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| 03:47.39 | abrotman | terr: it works on one that has a scsi tape drive |
| 03:48.18 | terr | abrotman: great. What is the bloacksize? |
| 03:48.18 | abrotman | Tape block size 0 bytes. Density code 0x1a (DLTtape IV (81633 bpi)). |
| 03:48.18 | abrotman | do i get a prize ? |
| 03:48.36 | terr | abrotman: damn. |
| 03:48.46 | abrotman | !nopony me |
| 03:48.46 | dpkg | abrotman: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 03:48.52 | terr | that is not the right answer - you are running in variable size mode. |
| 03:48.59 | abrotman | damn me! |
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| 03:49.32 | terr | abrotman: I had to set it to 0 to get it to work. SO it was set to something else before and I didn't think to dump the status frist. |
| 03:49.33 | abrotman | i do have a system with a DDS2 also .. but not currently accessible |
| 03:49.43 | abrotman | dds2 is so old :) |
| 03:50.01 | kakalto | where should I start when trying to get an ISA network card working? |
| 03:50.10 | abrotman | with a box of tissues |
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| 03:50.27 | abrotman | kakalto: isapnp or isa with jumpers ? |
| 03:50.45 | kakalto | abrotman: not sure, just acquired it with an old computer |
| 03:50.54 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 03:50.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
| 03:51.07 | abrotman | time to open it and look . ISAPnP sucks .. get a PCI NIC if you can |
| 03:51.39 | kakalto | wait a minute... |
| 03:51.49 | Guerin | i've found most isa NICs Just Work |
| 03:51.53 | kakalto | network card not working..... so download this... |
| 03:51.56 | Guerin | unless you have more than one |
| 03:52.02 | Guerin | in which case you get teh pains |
| 03:52.20 | wols_ | Guerin: IF you know ports and irq |
| 03:52.21 | abrotman | kakalto: i believe it's on CD1 on sarge/woody/potato etc |
| 03:52.27 | wols_ | big IF |
| 03:52.27 | Guerin | wols_: no, usually you needn't |
| 03:52.30 | abrotman | wols_: or it's jumpered! |
| 03:52.42 | madd_matt | Ieee, ISA, I haven't seen anything ISA in a long time. |
| 03:52.47 | kakalto | no cds here =) I might resort to dling package and putting on cd =) |
| 03:52.53 | kakalto | no debian cds, I mean |
| 03:52.54 | linux2 | anyone else here use scponlyc? |
| 03:52.54 | Guerin | ISA still works as well as it ever did |
| 03:52.59 | Guerin | (which was shit, but hey) |
| 03:53.12 | linux2 | when every i use the setup script to make a chrooted (jailed) user it works |
| 03:53.13 | Guerin | !anyone use scponlyc? |
| 03:53.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses scponlyc, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:53.22 | wols_ | abrotman: and jumper settings are printed on PCB |
| 03:53.35 | linux2 | but then when i try to login it doesn't work |
| 03:53.43 | linux2 | i have read up everything on it but i got nothing |
| 03:53.44 | abrotman | wols_: that too :) |
| 03:53.45 | linux2 | any ideas? |
| 03:53.52 | Guerin | linux2: duh, scponly doesn't allow shell logins |
| 03:53.52 | linux2 | konqueror just reports back: |
| 03:53.55 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 03:53.55 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and 42 sex-crazed kittens. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 03:54.04 | linux2 | Connection to host dansushi.net is broken. |
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| 03:54.13 | kakalto | is there no isapnptools package in etch? |
| 03:54.15 | linux2 | that is an sftp login |
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| 03:54.28 | abrotman | kakalto: nope .. you'd have to get them from sarge .. and pray they work on etch's kernel |
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| 03:54.59 | Guerin | linux2: i don't knwo what script you used, but the way to make it work is to add a normal user with shell /bin/scponly |
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| 03:55.11 | Guerin | linux2: so try that. if it works, your script is broken. |
| 03:55.12 | wols_ | what about pnputils? |
| 03:55.18 | Guerin | pnpdump FTW |
| 03:55.26 | linux2 | Guerin: yeah but i want the user to be jailed to their home dir? |
| 03:55.27 | Guerin | or isapnpdump maybe |
| 03:55.34 | linux2 | i don't want them to be able to roam around the root fs |
| 03:55.42 | kakalto | Guerin: so, pnpdump, huh? |
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| 03:55.46 | Guerin | linux2: bah this retardedness |
| 03:56.02 | Guerin | linux2: just try it |
| 03:56.14 | abrotman | kakalto: if it's isapnp .. you sohuld check before wasting time with it |
| 03:56.32 | Guerin | linux2: scponly allows logins if they are followed by a data stream. Not shell logins. |
| 03:56.42 | kakalto | abrotman: how can I check? |
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| 03:56.53 | abrotman | crack the case .. look for jumpers |
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| 03:57.30 | kakalto | ok, no jumpers |
| 03:57.38 | abrotman | let your pain begin |
| 03:57.50 | _carter_ | alguem sabe como desativar o desligamento automatico do monitor no debian? |
| 03:57.56 | kakalto | pnp is good, right |
| 03:58.00 | abrotman | !pt |
| 03:58.00 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:58.33 | linux2 | Guerin: ok, that works. but the user isn't jailed to their homedir |
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| 04:00.50 | kakalto | cheers, Guerin, abrotman |
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| 04:01.28 | joeljkp | i'm having trouble working with debian's default apache/mod_perl setup |
| 04:01.31 | Guerin | linux2: 1. jailing is stupid and doesn't work well with sftp 2. scponly isn't supposed to jail |
| 04:01.38 | joeljkp | i've put my script into /var/www/perl and made it executable |
| 04:01.40 | Guerin | linux2: if you want to jail users, use a ftpd |
| 04:01.49 | joeljkp | but when i request it, it's coming back as a download, not running it |
| 04:01.50 | Guerin | !chroot ssh |
| 04:01.50 | dpkg | it has been said that ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
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| 04:02.01 | Guerin | linux2: ↑ read that and realise why you are doomed to failure |
| 04:02.30 | linux2 | Guerin: ok, well i don't want them to be able to have access to the root fs |
| 04:02.35 | linux2 | are there any other ways to go about this? |
| 04:02.54 | Guerin | linux2: whyever not? What harm can it do? |
| 04:03.16 | Guerin | linux2: and yes, as I said, use a ftpd. I recommend vsftpd |
| 04:03.31 | linux2 | Guerin: humm, vsftpd |
| 04:03.35 | linux2 | never heard of it |
| 04:06.01 | Guerin | linux2: if it's good enough for kernel.org, it's good enough for you |
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| 04:06.22 | TraceGreen | hello, does cygwin itself open source? |
| 04:06.28 | linux2 | Guerin: well does it allow for each user to be jailed to their home dir? |
| 04:06.32 | linux2 | and only their home dir? |
| 04:06.50 | Guerin | linux2: go and read the fucking doc |
| 04:06.58 | Guerin | every history in the history of the universe does this |
| 04:07.04 | Guerin | it's their whole purpose |
| 04:07.10 | Guerin | hmm |
| 04:07.15 | Guerin | s/history/ftpd/ |
| 04:07.20 | Guerin | you know what I mean |
| 04:07.33 | maddash | Guerin: language |
| 04:07.52 | Guerin | maddash: in the immortal words of Jules: `English motherfucker, do you speak it?' |
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| 04:08.19 | vn- | hi, how can I be sure that my actual network config will be the same at the next reboot? |
| 04:08.32 | Guerin | vn-: why would it not be? |
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| 04:08.54 | vn- | cuz I had to type in the IP and the route at the last boot |
| 04:09.00 | cld2 | vn-: you could make all the related network files read only |
| 04:09.04 | Coweater | if you configed it using /etc/network/interfaces it'll be the same |
| 04:09.05 | Guerin | vn-: man 5 interfaces |
| 04:09.25 | vn- | naw, us'd ifconfig and route |
| 04:09.36 | FleaDie | vn: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:09.39 | cld2 | vn-: thats why |
| 04:09.40 | vn- | thx |
| 04:09.54 | cld2 | ifconfig and route add are one time deals. they dont survive a reboot |
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| 04:10.58 | vn- | auto eth0 |
| 04:10.59 | vn- | iface eth0 inet static |
| 04:10.59 | vn- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.07 | vn- | so... |
| 04:11.29 | vn- | must be the route |
| 04:12.03 | scv | umm |
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| 04:12.30 | kakalto | great, I've got isapnptools now. |
| 04:12.40 | kakalto | where to? |
| 04:12.45 | scv | isa? |
| 04:13.17 | scv | who uses isa adapters now? |
| 04:13.44 | magyar | is there any "remote access/helpdesk" software for linux that would give access to a windows client machine in real time? |
| 04:13.46 | kakalto | in case you hadn't guessed, me =) |
| 04:13.51 | FleaDie | i am use isa! xD |
| 04:13.56 | Guerin | i am too |
| 04:14.16 | maddash | magyar: look up "debian remote desktop" |
| 04:14.18 | GeorgeS069 | I still use isa on one of my systems...sb16 sound card:) |
| 04:14.18 | scv | O.o what an old pc |
| 04:14.20 | kakalto | Guerin: so, any tips from here? |
| 04:14.29 | FleaDie | 00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev 22) |
| 04:14.31 | kakalto | GeorgeS069: hi-5 for that :D |
| 04:14.38 | scv | i prefer the isa without pnp |
| 04:14.38 | magyar | maddash: is it "rdp"? |
| 04:14.41 | Guerin | kakalto: the thing I works best when an isa card seems nonfunctional is `try another one' |
| 04:14.49 | GeorgeS069 | still works just fine like the day I got it |
| 04:15.10 | kakalto | Guerin: well, I have no idea whether this one works. I'm wondering how to find out? |
| 04:15.11 | scv | isa(no pnp)+jumpers = be perfect |
| 04:15.13 | Guerin | it's a combination of natural hardware malfunction (common in old cards due to long service) and plain dumb laziness |
| 04:15.17 | kakalto | ======= |
| 04:15.20 | kakalto | - |
| 04:15.20 | kakalto | =- |
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| 04:15.27 | scv | isa pnp + buggy mobo = be dead |
| 04:15.29 | Guerin | kakalto: isapnpdump i think |
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| 04:15.53 | kakalto | I'm root and there's no such command. |
| 04:16.09 | kakalto | I'm guessing I need isapnpdump package aswell? |
| 04:16.12 | |XO| | i have a linux server that is old and doesnt have much software aside from ssh on it...whats the best way to back up this server remotely? |
| 04:17.00 | vn- | where can I find the routes that my server will use at the enxt reboot? |
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| 04:18.03 | kakalto | ======= |
| 04:18.04 | kakalto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:19.08 | kakalto | oops, cleaning my keyboard |
| 04:19.27 | kakalto | -= |
| 04:19.41 | vn- | you or your cat? |
| 04:19.56 | kakalto | cat |
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| 04:21.53 | liable | i wish i had a cat that cleaned my keyboard |
| 04:22.03 | liable | and my house for that matter :) |
| 04:22.28 | vn- | you need a woman |
| 04:22.55 | liable | indeed |
| 04:23.03 | kakalto | yeah and i need a cat |
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| 04:23.12 | liable | even though thats a terribly cheavanistic comment :P |
| 04:23.20 | vn- | ;) |
| 04:23.34 | kakalto | i decided to lick my own keyboard |
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| 04:24.13 | setuid_w00t | If a user is added to a group while they are logged in, is there a way to update their permissions without having them logout and then login? |
| 04:24.17 | vn- | thanks for the quote |
| 04:24.54 | cld2 | at one point i had some command that would tell me the temp of my mobo and cpu and the fan speed of the cpu fan, I cant recall the comand name. anyone know? |
| 04:25.23 | kakalto | lm sensors? |
| 04:25.31 | kakalto | or lm_sensors |
| 04:26.29 | cld2 | kakalto: thanks. thats what it was I was on the wrong box. I was trying sensors and it wasnt there. long day at work. sorry |
| 04:27.05 | kakalto | hehe, np. |
| 04:27.19 | vn- | just thanks his cat, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to type the answer |
| 04:27.45 | Guerin | OT: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/3984788a1861.html # why we hate telecom |
| 04:28.42 | kakalto | Guerin, amen. |
| 04:28.45 | Rusty1 | |XO|: perhaps sftp or rsync? |
| 04:29.33 | vn- | or afio |
| 04:29.55 | kakalto | how can I get isapnpdump? |
| 04:30.22 | GeorgeS069 | kakalto: try isadump |
| 04:31.09 | kakalto | GeorgeS069: any ideas where? |
| 04:32.11 | GeorgeS069 | kakalto: you should have it but,I've no idea how to use it |
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| 04:32.20 | kakalto | isadump? |
| 04:32.23 | kakalto | it's not on the system |
| 04:32.27 | Guerin | kakalto: use apt-move to grab it on one machine and install it on another |
| 04:33.28 | kakalto | Guerin: huh? I installed isapnptools on the other comp by downloading, sticking on floppy disk |
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| 04:34.16 | clayg | anyone gotten wow wokring in wine? |
| 04:34.29 | Guerin | kakalto: ok. You can never be sure that'll work. |
| 04:35.36 | kakalto | Guerin: I downloaded the deb, and installed it |
| 04:36.22 | Guerin | kakalto: Yes. Doesn't always play that way. |
| 04:36.49 | kakalto | ^o) |
| 04:36.50 | kakalto | strange. |
| 04:37.07 | kakalto | but, if it doesn't, and I don't have it on any computer, I'm where I started, no? |
| 04:37.40 | kakalto | it's pnpdump, not isadump |
| 04:37.41 | kakalto | no wonder |
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| 04:38.03 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:41.56 | kakalto | any ideas what an NE2000's network driver is? |
| 04:41.58 | kakalto | called? |
| 04:42.23 | kakalto | ne, perhaps? |
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| 04:42.43 | vn- | ne2k-pci |
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| 04:43.02 | vn- | not sure tho...last time I used that was 5 years ago :p |
| 04:43.18 | kakalto | but perhaps it'll just be ne, if it's not pci? |
| 04:43.28 | wols_ | thats right for a pci card |
| 04:43.28 | liable | !ping |
| 04:43.29 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:43.29 | peterS | yes, ne is for ISA NE1000 and NE2000 compatibles |
| 04:43.37 | wols_ | for isa its "ne" |
| 04:44.27 | peterS | wols_: yeah, the realtek 8029 (ne2k-pci) was semi-popular before the 8139 hit |
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| 04:45.14 | kakalto | hrm =/ |
| 04:45.32 | kakalto | getting "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" |
| 04:45.36 | kakalto | after modprobing ne |
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| 04:46.40 | terr | Gawd the tape blocking factor defaults are just horrible!!!! |
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| 04:47.03 | perdenab_ | what is this "tape" of which you speak? |
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| 04:47.38 | terr | perdenab_: exabyte its a scsi tape tho - its the scsi tape defaults that are horrible. |
| 04:47.56 | g333k_laptop | hi guys I left my laptop turned on, when I came back I found it freeze, can you help me to find out the reason? there is my /var/log/messages, I turned my laptop just about a minutes lets say 23:30hours, http://pastebin.ca/385903 |
| 04:49.06 | intruder | g333k_laptop: the log says nothing happened |
| 04:49.34 | wols_ | and when such a thing happens,it rarely ever does |
| 04:50.18 | intruder | it should not happen |
| 04:51.00 | intruder | g333k_laptop: have you noticed if it was really hardlocked, does the numlock led was still reacting to the numlock keypress ? |
| 04:52.03 | g333k_laptop | intruder, nop it was really halt |
| 04:52.18 | g333k_laptop | intruder, where can I find some information? syslog |
| 04:52.19 | g333k_laptop | ? |
| 04:52.32 | intruder | i think syslog would be better than messages |
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| 04:53.45 | kakalto | anyone got ideas where to go from here? |
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| 04:55.49 | g333k_laptop | intruder, there you go |
| 04:55.52 | g333k_laptop | intruder, http://pastebin.ca/385909 |
| 04:56.17 | intruder | g333k_laptop: still nothing |
| 04:56.46 | intruder | this may be totally due to hardware |
| 04:57.10 | g333k_laptop | intruder, I started using a frequency scaling daemon, could be it the reason? |
| 04:57.13 | intruder | something like a builtin energy saver |
| 04:57.30 | intruder | g333k_laptop: it may be, yes |
| 04:57.41 | intruder | you should verify if such a bug exist |
| 04:58.18 | intruder | if not |
| 04:58.41 | intruder | i would suggest to reproduce the bug with the daemon running, then try without it |
| 04:59.21 | Tobsn | ffmpeg: Compiler did not align stack variables. Libavcodec has been miscompiled |
| 04:59.22 | Tobsn | any ideas? |
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| 05:01.12 | g333k_laptop | intruder, the problem appears when I leave my laptop idle |
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| 05:03.07 | andrej | Is it possible to add an experimental package repository to etch? I want to install postgres 8.2.3 |
| 05:04.01 | liable | andrej: google apt pinning |
| 05:04.11 | liable | andrej: be veewy veewy carefull |
| 05:04.28 | intruder | g333k_laptop: i know, this is way reproductible |
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| 05:05.19 | dondelelcaro | andrej: yes, but it's generally not a good idea. |
| 05:05.39 | dondelelcaro | (you don't even need to pin, because the default priority of experimental is 1) |
| 05:05.44 | cld2 | ok, i have this /dev/md3 and it says its alreay mounted but its not showing up in any of the df -h du mount type progs and when I try to unmount it it says "/space not mounted" any ideas? |
| 05:06.21 | Tobsn | hmm how can i change the gcc? |
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| 05:07.09 | kakalto | I'm guessing that "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" after modprobing the correct driver means that my isapnp network card won't work? |
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| 05:08.59 | andrej | thanks liable and dondelelcaro ... if it's not a good idea - how do I get my postgres up to a current level in the debian way? |
| 05:11.21 | andrej | Oh well. It won't let me do it; libpq remains from the old package, and hence I can't upgrade :/ |
| 05:12.03 | intruder | backports ? |
| 05:13.05 | andrej | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.12 | intruder | backports.org |
| 05:13.17 | andrej | Heh |
| 05:13.22 | andrej | too obvious - thanks |
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| 05:13.50 | intruder | you will still need to use apt pinning for those |
| 05:13.55 | unlink | setting neither ServerAliveInterval nor ClientAliveInterval helps, but scp connections die after 2400 KB or 20 seconds of transfer--i don't know which, they're both consistent, and ssh connections die after varying amounts of time, always with the error "Connection reset by peer." long-lived http connections work fine both ways between the hosts |
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| 05:15.05 | andrej | bother. backports are behind etch |
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| 05:15.07 | andrej | :/ |
| 05:15.25 | andrej | I guess source it is - stuff the "debian way" :} |
| 05:15.30 | intruder | oh |
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| 05:15.44 | dondelelcaro | andrej: if you're running etch, then you've pretty much got the most recent stuff |
| 05:16.01 | dondelelcaro | andrej: that version of postgresql is in experimental primarily because it hasn't stabalized enough to be released |
| 05:16.04 | andrej | But I really want 8.2.3 and not 8.1.8 |
| 05:16.07 | xerophyte | Does anybody use Quanta(IDE), if you do how can hide the hidden folder on the files view ? |
| 05:16.10 | dondelelcaro | andrej: why? |
| 05:16.54 | andrej | Because it has both feature and performance enhancements, and I've been using it with my slackware box for a while, no problems |
| 05:16.59 | unlink | ClientAliveInterval and ServerAliveInterval are the two solutions i've found on google |
| 05:17.43 | dondelelcaro | well, using the packages from experimental and using aptitude to install the precise set of libraries that you require is the way to do it. |
| 05:17.50 | dondelelcaro | you won't be able to just install the server; you'll have to install the server, libpq, and everything else that is required. |
| 05:18.22 | andrej | It doesn't look as if libpq 8.2 is part of the deal, though, or not according to apt-cache search |
| 05:18.31 | andrej | which is a worry |
| 05:18.46 | andrej | anyway - time to run |
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| 05:18.59 | andrej | thanks for the comments and hints, leartn a lot once again |
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| 05:19.55 | wols_ | kakalto: could mean you don't have proper io or irq set |
| 05:19.56 | SexyKen | Guys -- you're going to kill me for asking here...but does anyone by chance use a windows machine with office 2007 and have issues with efax or emails from certain companies not parsing ANYTHING including header info? |
| 05:21.29 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: try #windows on some other network |
| 05:21.31 | Dewi | SexyKen: that's a very overcomplicated question, and it belongs in ##windows |
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| 05:21.44 | terr | can anyone give me some pointers on a USB memory stick? |
| 05:21.45 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: this network actually |
| 05:21.56 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: indeed; never bothered to look for it |
| 05:22.15 | terr | I've never used one and I'd like to know how I can get one going. |
| 05:22.23 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: there are others but I hear this one is the biggest - although that does make it a 'linux versus windowzzzz' trollfest a lot of the time |
| 05:23.03 | liable | terr: if you have gnome, just plug it in, kde 'should' automount it, xfce4 might, and the other wm's you can add an fstab line for or install something like ivman |
| 05:23.16 | liable | terr: /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 05:23.21 | liable | or usbstorage |
| 05:23.25 | liable | dont remember |
| 05:23.29 | terr | liable: I'm running sarge. Is support built in? |
| 05:23.46 | liable | terr: which wm/desktop? |
| 05:24.43 | terr | kde |
| 05:25.11 | DocPlatypus | I know with GNOME I get automounts. I think KDE does it too |
| 05:25.13 | liable | kde is 'supposed' to, but there have been a few people here recently saying it doesnt work |
| 05:25.31 | DocPlatypus | I don't like KDE as much as I used to |
| 05:25.36 | liable | ask in a kde channel if noone here knows |
| 05:25.45 | DocPlatypus | I think Qt widgets look like duck whiz |
| 05:25.49 | terr | liable what about the hardware interface? |
| 05:25.56 | liable | eh? |
| 05:25.57 | terr | This is a 1998 motherboard. |
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| 05:26.24 | liable | terr: as long as theres a kernel driver for your usb controller, sure. and i would imagine there would be |
| 05:26.41 | liable | terr: check your kernel log to see what it says abut usb |
| 05:26.50 | DocPlatypus | if it's UHCI, OHCI (both USB 1.1), or EHCI (USB 2.0), it should be supported "everywehre" |
| 05:26.52 | DocPlatypus | everywhere* |
| 05:27.14 | peterS | not sure usb 2.0 existed on 1998 era motherboards |
| 05:27.25 | unlink | nope. |
| 05:28.04 | DocPlatypus | USB 2.0 I think came into being in 2001-2002 |
| 05:28.16 | peterS | yeah that sounds about right |
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| 05:28.23 | DocPlatypus | in retaliation to Firewire's ridiculously high datarates |
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| 05:28.53 | peterS | "you can do 400 MBit/s? well we can do 480 MBit/s. in theory. not that anyone will ever see that." |
| 05:29.04 | DocPlatypus | now that the free operating systems support it I like USB. in 1998 when free software support was a dice roll I didn't like it nearly as much |
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| 05:29.24 | Danamania | peterS: or 800Mbit/s :) |
| 05:29.35 | DocPlatypus | I am still somewhat impressed by 4x CD burns over USB 1.1 |
| 05:29.36 | unlink | peterS: meh, i've saturated 400 MBit/s |
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| 05:29.52 | terr | liable: usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs |
| 05:29.55 | peterS | unlink: with USB2? impressive, I've never seen any equipment that can even come close |
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| 05:30.04 | terr | usb.c: registered new driver hub |
| 05:30.23 | vn- | anyone here ever installed qmail on debian? |
| 05:30.27 | terr | usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.275 $ time 10:29:43 Apr 14 2002 |
| 05:30.34 | kakalto | wols_: set in the BIOS, you mean? |
| 05:30.35 | sussudio | %fist vn- |
| 05:30.36 | terr | liable is there anything special I'm looking for? |
| 05:30.37 | Guerin | vn-: don't do it. |
| 05:30.37 | joeljkp | i'm having trouble with debian's default apache/mod_perl setup; i have /var/www/perl/test.pl, but accessing it brings up a download of the perl file, not running it |
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| 05:30.52 | kakalto | wols_: I was under the impression that pnp meant you didn't have to mess with the IRQ's and stuff |
| 05:31.02 | peterS | vn-: the usual philosophy around here is: there are lots of _good_ and _free_ mail servers in debian, life is too short to mess with qmail |
| 05:31.03 | Guerin | kakalto: wouldn't that be nice. |
| 05:31.07 | DocPlatypus | HP 8200f USB CD burner, only does USB 1.1 and is picky about DAO vs TAO |
| 05:31.07 | terr | liable: hub.c: 2 ports detected |
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| 05:31.21 | DocPlatypus | but accounting for all that it isn't half bad |
| 05:31.25 | Guerin | peterS: but some retard above him has mandated it |
| 05:31.32 | terr | usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver |
| 05:31.39 | GeorgeS069 | joeljkp: clear your browser cache and be sure you restarted apache |
| 05:31.49 | scanf | where can I still get skype 1.2.x debian package. skype.com just wants to push that broken 1.3 beta that I can't hear |
| 05:31.49 | kakalto | wols_: don't suppose you could point me in the right direction for setting them correctly? |
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| 05:32.18 | joeljkp | georges069: yes, same problem |
| 05:32.31 | liable | terr: thats about it, plug something in and see what dmesg says |
| 05:32.38 | vn- | Guerin: why? |
| 05:32.42 | vn- | I'm actually doing it |
| 05:32.58 | vn- | oh |
| 05:33.02 | vn- | ok, I just read |
| 05:33.03 | vn- | nvm |
| 05:33.04 | Guerin | vn-: qmail is evil. |
| 05:33.11 | GeorgeS069 | joeljkp: guess you could ask in #apache |
| 05:33.14 | vn- | yeah doesn't comply to debian rules |
| 05:33.15 | Guerin | use postfix or exim instead |
| 05:33.26 | peterS | you can form your own opinions about qmail but around here we're pretty biased against it |
| 05:33.33 | Guerin | vn-: no,t the debian rules, the rules of sanity and the smtp protocol |
| 05:33.48 | GeorgeS069 | qmail sux |
| 05:34.00 | peterS | especially since exim4 and postfix are as good as they are - we don't see the point of qmail anymore, given the headaches it brings |
| 05:34.24 | DocPlatypus | my ISP uses qmail |
| 05:34.34 | GeorgeS069 | setup sendmail from a tarball....that'll make a man outta ya :P |
| 05:34.43 | vn- | I did at work |
| 05:34.50 | peterS | GeorgeS069: bah, in this day and age you get to use m4 config files for sendmail, that is so cheating |
| 05:35.10 | GeorgeS069 | you kids got it sooo easy nowadays |
| 05:35.15 | vn- | tweaked a milter for greylisting and such, with mailscanner and clamav... |
| 05:35.19 | Malf | Only if you're gonna take the pansy way out... |
| 05:35.44 | peterS | why, back in my day, we started with a sendmail.cf from the unix vendor and edited it directly until it did what we wanted |
| 05:36.04 | Guerin | peterS: using ed |
| 05:36.04 | GeorgeS069 | peterS: and we liked it! |
| 05:36.15 | scanf | ok I found http://rzr.online.fr/debian/skype_1.2.0.18-1_i386.deb |
| 05:36.18 | peterS | Guerin: oh I won't go that far. I'm trying to stick to the truth (: |
| 05:36.34 | Guerin | well, vi is nearly as evil as ed |
| 05:37.04 | Malf | Guerin: vi isn't worth the effort anyway.. the keys are so much farther apart than ed |
| 05:37.11 | peterS | and the truth is that even though AIX 4 shipped sendmail version 8, which uses m4 for config, AIX did not supply the infrastructure to rebuild sendmail.cf. only their sample sendmail.cf itself. |
| 05:37.38 | Guerin | good old IBM eh |
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| 05:38.20 | peterS | well, you go back to sendmail 5 and there was no m4 config infrastructure at all. I guess IBM figured if their customers back in the sendmail 5 days didn't need m4 config, neither did their customers in the sendmail 8 days. |
| 05:38.43 | vn- | here's the troll |
| 05:38.44 | vn- | :p |
| 05:38.56 | DocPlatypus | sendmail can be a real, er, female dog to set up |
| 05:39.05 | terr_ | liable... Do you know if I can get a cable that will bring the connection to the front of the machine? |
| 05:39.08 | scanf | sendmail? |
| 05:39.20 | scanf | BSD stopped using that as MTA long ago |
| 05:39.30 | scanf | too many security issues |
| 05:39.31 | DocPlatypus | scanf: OpenBSD still does |
| 05:39.32 | peterS | hmmm, I think I've got my versions mixed up, I think I mean sendmail 8.5.x versus sendmail 8.6.x. major version 5 vs major version 8 would be BIND. |
| 05:39.52 | terr_ | liable -= what filesystem do these things use? |
| 05:39.53 | Malf | never used joe before |
| 05:40.00 | liable | terr_: usually fat32 |
| 05:40.03 | kakalto | wols_: cheers, messed with ISA/PNP settings in bios and now it works. |
| 05:40.07 | Malf | certainly <3 vi though |
| 05:40.07 | kakalto | thanks =) |
| 05:40.07 | scanf | DocPlatypus: what version OpenBSD? |
| 05:40.12 | terr_ | liable do they usually automount? |
| 05:40.13 | Malf | I'd never make it through a work day without it |
| 05:40.28 | peterS | Malf: joe's claim to fame is that it uses keybindings similar to WordStar, a really really old word processor for MS-DOS. so it has the fans you'd expect. |
| 05:40.30 | liable | terr_: plug it in and see |
| 05:40.33 | terr_ | liable: I know I have no entries in my fstab |
| 05:40.38 | Malf | ahh |
| 05:40.40 | DocPlatypus | scanf: uh, 4.1? |
| 05:40.43 | peterS | like Alan Cox |
| 05:40.47 | DocPlatypus | the one that's about to be released in another two months? |
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| 05:41.07 | wols_ | peterS: Cox is a Turbo Pascal programmer? |
| 05:41.08 | terr_ | liable I also need to get a USB extension cable if they exist. |
| 05:41.20 | DocPlatypus | they've been using sendmail since time immemorial, and yes its history is terrible but when Theo de Raadt is the head developer, stuff gets *secured* |
| 05:41.23 | liable | terr_: they do, and it wont be a problem |
| 05:41.35 | peterS | wols_: I have no idea. but I do know that I remember reading in his blog about 10 years ago (well, blogs were called "online diaries" back then) that he used joe |
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| 05:42.53 | terr_ | liable: is IEEE 1394 a usb interface? |
| 05:43.00 | peterS | terr_: USB specifies a maximum cable length of about 5 meters. to go longer you need a hub, and 5-meter segments between hubs. you can buy a 5-meter USB cable that is basically a 1-port hub |
| 05:43.06 | liable | terr_: firewire |
| 05:43.29 | terr_ | liable: that makes sense.. not usb! |
| 05:43.58 | terr_ | How does firewire plug in? Do I need a card or is the MB suppose to have thsi I/F? |
| 05:44.10 | Guerin | terr_: could be either |
| 05:44.18 | peterS | terr_: some motherboards have firewire, some don't. many laptops do. |
| 05:44.28 | terr_ | Guerin: 1998 asus MB. I doublt it has firewire. |
| 05:44.47 | peterS | terr_: yeah back in 1998 firewire would have been considered a high-end motherboard feature. in 2007 it's pretty much standard |
| 05:45.34 | peterS | you can also buy PCI cards with firewire and USB ports, to supplement whatever your motherboard lacks |
| 05:45.38 | unlink | i can't log in with one user to my server. it says it's accepting the public key with ssh -vv, but nothing is recorded in auth.log on the server and the connection is closed immediately after ssh reports the server accepting hte pubkey |
| 05:45.44 | terr_ | Is there an easy way to tell what MB is in this box? |
| 05:45.46 | wols_ | peterS: in 2007 it's been rationalied away since it's unneeded expense |
| 05:45.50 | wols_ | or so the thinking goes |
| 05:45.59 | Guerin | well, it is |
| 05:46.02 | wols_ | if it were worthwhile, it'd been integrated into the chipset long ago |
| 05:46.11 | Guerin | it might be better than usb2, but not much |
| 05:46.14 | terr_ | peterS: this system is full tho. I'd need a PCI expander. |
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| 05:46.43 | Malf | Here's a guy who goes through some sendmail timing tests that was an interesting read at the time. He was trying out one of those sun boxes that came out a while back: http://jc.ngo.org.uk/blog/2006/07/10/day-1-of-60-first-boot/ |
| 05:46.47 | wols_ | Guerin: if we used the newer 800Mbit/s firewire it would be. USB has it's v2 now too |
| 05:47.00 | terr_ | Is there a way to read the bios? I wnat to find out what MB this is. |
| 05:47.01 | peterS | terr_: the 'dmidecode' package may help you identify your motherboard |
| 05:47.11 | peterS | terr_: it works for many but not all PC BIOSes |
| 05:47.19 | Guerin | wols_: true. |
| 05:47.22 | wols_ | but the nice license and trademark fees apple and sony wanted did what they always do: they killed the tech |
| 05:47.32 | unlink | debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-dss blen 433 |
| 05:47.32 | unlink | Connection closed by 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:47.43 | Malf | have to go in several days to actually hit sendmail related stuff |
| 05:47.46 | terr_ | peterS: if I could read the bios I could easily tell. It should map into /mem or something |
| 05:47.48 | wols_ | intel instead designed USB badly (CPU usage) and gave it basically away, and now we're stuck with it |
| 05:47.57 | Guerin | right |
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| 05:48.00 | peterS | terr_: dmidecode is probably your best bet |
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| 05:48.14 | terr_ | wols that is true of a lot of hardware. Its pretty bad sometimes. |
| 05:48.41 | unlink | why could ssh be rejecting connections from this one user and logging nothing? |
| 05:48.43 | wols_ | terr_: what I'm pissed at is sony and apple cause it's always the same assholes who pull this stunt |
| 05:49.07 | terr_ | Oh - another question... unrealated. Regarding K3B CD Kreator... |
| 05:49.10 | liable | !ping |
| 05:49.10 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:49.17 | terr_ | I just burned a CD - havn't done that for over a year. |
| 05:50.03 | terr_ | It said all was fine - then I took the CD out nad superfically checked it and it looked fine. When I went to close K3B it wanted to save some data is a blah.k3b file. Any idea what that file is? |
| 05:50.18 | DocPlatypus | terr_: it's a k3b CD/DVD projet |
| 05:50.20 | DocPlatypus | project |
| 05:50.30 | croddy | it contains metadata for recreating what you just burnt |
| 05:50.33 | DocPlatypus | if you aren't going to burn that exact CD/DVD ever again you don't need to save it |
| 05:50.38 | terr_ | DocPlatypus: can I open it or someting Whats in it? |
| 05:50.42 | peterS | there must be a reason k3b isn't named cdrekord |
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| 05:51.09 | wols_ | peterS: schily would sue :P |
| 05:51.09 | DocPlatypus | peterS: there is, I think it may be a trademark issue with schilly |
| 05:51.16 | peterS | wols_: nah, he'd threaten to sue. I don't know that he's ever followed through on his threats |
| 05:51.22 | wols_ | I was joking, joking! |
| 05:51.22 | DocPlatypus | and schilly can, er, show affection to my donkey |
| 05:51.29 | enouf | terr_: dmesg output at top may hint at manu, dmidecode should work (it does here on a '99 mobo), dmidecode also contains biosdecode, also install hwinfo, and lshw if you like |
| 05:51.30 | rpc | is there a way of disabling SMP support on boot? |
| 05:51.32 | rpc | or will i need to recompile? |
| 05:51.54 | wols_ | peterS: but he'd be so annoying while threatening you, you'd wish he did sue and get it over with |
| 05:52.03 | peterS | true |
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| 05:52.54 | terr_ | enouf: I'm installing it now. How do I run it when it gets here? |
| 05:54.11 | Tobsn | damn... can someone tell me why ffmpeg wont compile correctly on my debian? |
| 05:54.11 | peterS | terr_: eh? just type dmidecode |
| 05:54.11 | terr_ | Peter thanx. I wasn't sure if it was CLI or gui |
| 05:54.11 | enouf | terr_: as root .. dmidecode | less (or any grep you like), or just biosdecode (not too much info) |
| 05:54.24 | croddy | Tobsn: tried marillat? |
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| 05:54.46 | rpc | if i use maxcpus=NUMBER at boot time, will it disable SMP code in kernel? |
| 05:55.13 | liable | one would assume so |
| 05:55.15 | Guerin | rpc: doubtful |
| 05:55.22 | parsonsd | how do i get the volume (gee, what other ones are there besides gnome-volume-control?) to come up "on" when X starts.? |
| 05:55.24 | rpc | hm |
| 05:55.24 | enouf | terr_: hrm .. there's also vpddecode .. erm but for IBM only .. yourds was an asus? |
| 05:55.37 | peterS | rpc: maxcpus=1 will, other numbers will not |
| 05:55.43 | terr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.55 | terr_ | I've found the MB! |
| 05:56.04 | peterS | that's 2002 |
| 05:56.12 | enouf | terr_: once installed, use dpkg -L dmidecode to see it's files (pkg contents) |
| 05:56.14 | rpc | peterS yes, i just need to get rid of SMP for a quick test, so you say that =1 will actually act same as disabling SMP in kernel conf? |
| 05:56.18 | croddy | parsonsd: you mean you want the volume turned up when you log in? 'alsactl store' might be what you are looking for |
| 05:56.31 | parsonsd | croddy -- thanks, will look into it. |
| 05:56.39 | peterS | rpc: not _exactly_ the same. I don't think it patches the code back to its single-cpu state. |
| 05:56.44 | enouf | that's a BIOS revision though |
| 05:57.11 | rpc | peterS i mostly need to change timings so they are same as for single-cpu box |
| 05:57.26 | peterS | rpc: what do you mean by "timings"? timings of what? |
| 05:57.44 | Tobsn | croddy? |
| 05:57.53 | terr_ | This is funny: It reports Max Speed 700MHz, Current Speed 1300 MHz |
| 05:57.58 | rpc | peterS hm it's a weird problem with the nic on SMP box, it has problems like timeouts etc. |
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| 05:58.13 | parsonsd | croddy - don't seem to have alsactl. i -think- i use alsa. how do i verify? |
| 05:58.15 | rpc | peterS so i thought it has to do with i/o timing |
| 05:58.35 | peterS | rpc: that might relate to interrupt routing, which is somewhat related to SMP but not totally |
| 05:58.49 | rpc | peterS hm.. |
| 05:59.24 | rpc | peterS so perhaps there are other switches worth trying? something irq specific, even though eth0 got it's own irq #169 |
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| 06:00.00 | peterS | rpc: maxcpus=1 will give you pretty close to the effect of a single-cpu kernel, but it won't be exact. I don't know whether it's close enough for your hypothesis. anyway, you also want to try with the 'noapic' and possibly 'nolapic' flags (those modes are not available in SMP mode) |
| 06:00.03 | croddy | parsonsd: it's in /usr/sbin ... that may not be in your path. 'alsactl store' will save the volume levels, so they can be restored at next boot time. needs to be run as root. there is a way to do it with debconf as well, but i forget the specifics. |
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| 06:00.09 | rpc | strange thing is that it's only about uploads (very slow) while downloads are fast - uploads also take 100% of cpu when they are anywhere near 40mbit or so |
| 06:00.16 | terr_ | Holly cow - it says PCI slot 5 is available!!! |
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| 06:00.49 | rpc | peterS do you mean that trying nolapic or noapic in SMP kernel will simply have no effect? |
| 06:00.53 | croddy | Tobsn: debian-multimedia.org has some nice packages already built for ffmpeg. if you need to patch it or need it for a less common architecture, though, you probably won't find it there. /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 06:01.32 | peterS | rpc: if you use both maxcpus=1 and noapic, I don't know whether it will have an effect. it should, but I have not tried it. (noapic is for disabling the I/O APIC, which is required on SMP systems but optional on uniprocessors) |
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| 06:01.58 | rpc | peterS oh i read you now |
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| 06:02.47 | rpc | i will try those switches, thank you very much |
| 06:03.02 | parsonsd | croddy : hm, don't have it in either /usr/sbin/ or /sbin/. but thanks. i'll browse apt or synaptic. |
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| 06:03.27 | unlink | Mar 8 00:59:35 kappa sshd[18687]: debug3: PAM: do_pam_account pam_acct_mgmt = 9 (Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.) |
| 06:03.27 | peterS | I mean the maxcpus=1 will have an effect, but I don't know whether a SMP kernel will recognise "noapic" or "nolapic" (nolapic means disable the CPU's local APIC, which is not the same as the I/O APIC. thus the kernel would have to fall back to the stone age 8259-compatible PIC (programmable interrupt controller)) |
| 06:03.39 | unlink | i don't see _any_ relevant google results for this |
| 06:03.55 | rpc | peterS do you recommend playing with ACPI as well? could it affect irq and cause problems too? |
| 06:03.56 | unlink | but it seems that everything else is correct in logging in this user |
| 06:04.08 | croddy | parsonsd: i've found it in package alsa-utils |
| 06:04.19 | unlink | the only difference it seems between this user and another user than can login is that for this user, that function returns 9 and not 0 |
| 06:04.50 | peterS | rpc: it could. you can certainly try disabling acpi as well. it's unfortunate that APIC (advanced programmable interrupt controller) and ACPI (advanced control and power interface) use the same letters of the alphabet and both relate to interrupt routing. this tends to confuse people. |
| 06:05.19 | vn- | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 93820 2007-03-08 00:37 vql.cgi |
| 06:05.24 | vn- | what does mean the s? |
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| 06:05.38 | DocPlatypus | vn-: setuid and setgid respectively |
| 06:05.40 | DocPlatypus | and executable |
| 06:05.42 | peterS | vn-: it means that if you run that script, the process gets to run as the root user |
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| 06:05.50 | rpc | peterS i see alot of people reporting problems with AMD64 and this damn realtek 8169 nic... |
| 06:05.53 | DocPlatypus | peterS: don't forget, and as the root group as well |
| 06:05.57 | vn- | kthx |
| 06:06.10 | rpc | and yes, very true about apic/acpi |
| 06:06.13 | vn- | guess I need to setup cgi-bin in apache |
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| 06:06.17 | peterS | DocPlatypus: that's hardly important once you're running as the root user, though. I didn't forget, but didn't think it was worth mentioning |
| 06:06.47 | croddy | ....and ahci.... |
| 06:06.51 | DocPlatypus | agreed, root can change groups as needed |
| 06:06.57 | enouf | terr_: listen up, slot5 is usually the one just below the agp slot (if any), and not only are you going to oversaturate your pci bus, if you try adding an usb pci card into that slot, you may have irq conflicts .. i'd try firewire, if anything .. it's also less cpu intensive |
| 06:07.02 | DocPlatypus | but many games are setgid games |
| 06:07.03 | peterS | DocPlatypus: ...and not that it _is_ needed (: |
| 06:07.41 | wols_ | enouf: that is the first pci slit, not slot5 |
| 06:07.43 | peterS | I have no slot5, you insensitive clod |
| 06:07.56 | enouf | wols_: not on my mobo |
| 06:08.10 | wols_ | what mobo is this? |
| 06:08.36 | enouf | 1999 OEM stinker .. but does acpi fine using acpi=force option |
| 06:08.36 | rpc | may i kindly ask you guys to have a look at ls -vv output for my nic? is there anything strange in there that might cause problems? http://pastebin.ca/385949 |
| 06:08.42 | croddy | lovely! "CGA/mono video services are supported" |
| 06:09.09 | wols_ | croddy:bah it's shit. No hercules! |
| 06:09.28 | peterS | I want mah 80x43 EGA mode |
| 06:09.49 | croddy | wols_: my terminals still show text in amber on black. i have not forgotten :-) |
| 06:09.58 | wols_ | peterS: vga can do that easily |
| 06:10.02 | peterS | I know |
| 06:10.13 | peterS | I used to use it all the time, as it was more pleasant to read than 80x50 |
| 06:10.32 | unlink | anyone know why i can't login with one user via ssh but i can with another? |
| 06:10.44 | unlink | i really can't think of any more granular debugging method |
| 06:10.46 | peterS | my favorite mode is 144x72, which a geforce 2 is just barely specced to do in text mode |
| 06:10.55 | unlink | i can sudo -i -u to that user |
| 06:10.57 | croddy | i think the box in my closet is using svgatextmode to set 80x43, but i haven't plugged a monitor into it in about a year |
| 06:10.57 | unlink | or sudo su - them |
| 06:11.03 | wols_ | peterS: no screen for that |
| 06:11.14 | enouf | wols_: look at your biosdecode output and match it up with lspci -n .. though, i admit, I usually count from top down as well |
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| 06:11.52 | wols_ | enouf: when I plug in 2 identical NICs (my router/switch) the one nearter to agp always is eth0 |
| 06:12.56 | wols_ | biosdecode is in what package? |
| 06:13.02 | peterS | wols_: the dmidecode package |
| 06:13.09 | unlink | the symbolic error being returned by PAM is PAM_AUTHINFO_UNAVAIL |
| 06:13.17 | peterS | it's sort of dmidecode in non-verbose mode |
| 06:13.46 | enouf | wols_: we're talking pci slot numbering, but yeah, that's why to me the uppermost slot (nearest agp, and labelled slot5) is most important .. may have something to do with PCI A/B/C/D cascading/linking |
| 06:13.52 | enouf | wols_: it's in dmidecode |
| 06:13.59 | enouf | oh peterrooney answered |
| 06:14.06 | enouf | er peterS .. |
| 06:14.38 | unlink | what pam module does the authentication with ssh public key authentication by default on debian? |
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| 06:14.48 | wols_ | that one shares irq always with agp anyways |
| 06:14.52 | wols_ | which makes it useless |
| 06:14.59 | peterS | unlink: ssh pubkey can't be done via pam, it's done within sshd |
| 06:15.08 | joeljkp | why does debian's apache config reference /usr/lib/cgi-bin by default? i thought we were supposed to put our own local files in /usr/local, not /usr |
| 06:15.11 | enouf | wols_: right .. the bottomost is called 1 in this case IINM |
| 06:15.33 | peterS | the pam API isn't flexible enough for things like pubkey and challenge/response |
| 06:15.34 | enouf | wols_: oops .. i mean the one that shares with the ISA slot usually |
| 06:15.36 | Guerin | joeljkp: if you're using your own cgi, make apache look in /usr/local/lib too |
| 06:15.39 | unlink | peterS: where does the error "Mar 8 00:59:35 kappa sshd[18687]: debug3: PAM: do_pam_account pam_acct_mgmt = 9 (Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.)" come from when doing ssh pubkey auth then? |
| 06:15.51 | joeljkp | guerin: how? |
| 06:15.59 | peterS | unlink: that error isn't from pubkey auth |
| 06:16.00 | Guerin | joeljkp: httpd.apache.org |
| 06:16.02 | unlink | peterS: right, but ssh needs to authenticate the user somehow |
| 06:16.37 | joeljkp | guerin: yes, but does ScriptAlias allow multiple paths? |
| 06:16.50 | joeljkp | guerin: or does apache allow multiple ScriptAlias directives for the same url path? |
| 06:16.51 | unlink | peterS: next line is Mar 8 00:59:35 kappa sshd[18687]: Failed publickey for marilyn from 127.0.0.1 port 2976 ssh2 |
| 06:17.02 | peterS | unlink: it tries several things, including pubkey and possibly other steps. use 'ssh -v' to see what it tries in what order |
| 06:17.03 | Guerin | joeljkp: ask #apache |
| 06:17.11 | unlink | peterS: it only tries pubkey. |
| 06:17.22 | unlink | peterS: i have logging turned all the way up on client and server. |
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| 06:18.09 | peterS | well, pubkey cannot be done within pam, I know enough about both to be quite sure of that (unless pam has changed drastically since I looked at it a few years ago). so somehow it's trying something besides public key auth |
| 06:19.19 | unlink | peterS: well right, but after pubkey auth, it looks to pam to run /etc/pam.d/ssh which seems to be failing somewhere |
| 06:19.27 | terr_ | Yup - this motherboard support two USB prots and no firewire. |
| 06:19.35 | terr_ | I don't know what USB version it is tho. |
| 06:19.43 | peterS | terr_: it'll be USB 1.1 |
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| 06:20.11 | peterS | terr_: ...well, 'lspci -v' will tell you for sure. the USB interfaces will say [UHCI] or [OHCI] or [EHCI] at the end of the lines |
| 06:21.01 | peterS | if a USB line ends with (prog-if 20 [EHCI]), that is a USB 2.0 controller. UHCI and OHCI are not. |
| 06:21.18 | unlink | peterS: http://rafb.net/p/P01Hp544.html |
| 06:21.35 | terr_ | [UHCI]) |
| 06:22.04 | croddy | what are the permissions on /var/www/users/marilyn/.ssh/authorized_keys ? |
| 06:22.13 | unlink | 600 |
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| 06:22.17 | terr_ | peterS: (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) |
| 06:22.20 | croddy | so much for that theory |
| 06:22.22 | unlink | croddy: 0600 |
| 06:22.26 | peterS | terr_: I already told you what that meant |
| 06:22.50 | terr_ | peterS: I'm not sure wht the consequences are tho. |
| 06:22.57 | terr_ | what devices can I not run? |
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| 06:23.06 | peterS | unlink: oh I see now. pubkey authentication is successful, then it calls the pam 'account' module, which basically says yes or no whether a specific known user is allowed to log on |
| 06:23.13 | croddy | it's more a matter of how slowly they will run |
| 06:24.00 | peterS | terr_: most USB 2 devices also support USB 1.1. they'll run slower than they were designed to run, but they'll run. some devices may cause problems, though they are not supposed to. |
| 06:24.09 | enouf | terr_: if it's truly from 98/99 ish it's usb 1.1 only .. go find the manual online and see what it supports if you think it may support 2.0 |
| 06:24.25 | rpc | crap... i just halted the remote box instead of rebooting it... is there a hope to remote reset it or an i screwed now? |
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| 06:24.37 | enouf | or tell us the chipset .. or use peterS 's methods, ..etc, etc |
| 06:25.12 | enouf | even lshal can tell you in a curmudgeoned sort of way |
| 06:25.13 | peterS | rpc: if it's halted it's halted. unless you have remote access to a console (this can take the form of a serial console, or an iLO device, or a trained monkey in the server room), you're screwed. |
| 06:25.16 | terr_ | I've got the manual... didn't read it all |
| 06:25.30 | rpc | peterS hrhm |
| 06:25.53 | rpc | peterS all i can see is a rescue system |
| 06:25.58 | liable | or wol if it has it |
| 06:26.07 | unlink | peterS: AHA!!!! |
| 06:26.15 | unlink | peterS: marilyn was missing her entry in /etc/shadow |
| 06:26.38 | peterS | unlink: ahh, and pam account management checks that to see if the password is expired or the user is disabled or whatnot, eh? |
| 06:26.41 | unlink | peterS: thanks for the tipoff |
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| 06:27.15 | unlink | peterS: it has pam_unix.so required |
| 06:27.51 | peterS | unlink: yeah, I forget what exactly pam_unix does in account mode. in auth mode of course it reads /etc/passwd and/or /etc/shadow and checks your encrypted password. |
| 06:29.06 | peterS | unlink: anyway I'm glad you figured it out, that was a weird one |
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| 06:30.09 | unlink | peterS: yeah, you learn something new [about PAM] every day. |
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| 06:33.31 | jetscreamer | ok everybody stfu |
| 06:33.38 | jetscreamer | hey it worked |
| 06:33.50 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 06:34.23 | liable | !lart jetscreamer |
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| 06:49.16 | RungeKutta | Got a quick question. I've been out of the Debian loop for a good 18mo or so. Is SID prone to breakage? |
| 06:49.26 | dondelelcaro | depends |
| 06:49.40 | dondelelcaro | if it matters to you whether it breaks or not, use stable or testing |
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| 06:49.53 | RungeKutta | heh |
| 06:50.00 | dondelelcaro | the breakage in it can range from "not broken at all" to "OMG IT ATE ROOT" |
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| 06:50.37 | RungeKutta | I used to run SID on my home server and another one for a good year and had no problems. Then something with lilo changed and I ended up reinstalling. |
| 06:50.51 | RungeKutta | libc and lilo broke at the same time or something |
| 06:52.13 | Caitriona | I'm doing something stupid with stunnel, and I can't figure out what. |
| 06:52.33 | Caitriona | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5590 is the error I get. |
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| 06:54.28 | dondelelcaro | Caitriona: something is wrong with that pem file |
| 06:54.36 | Caitriona | but what... |
| 06:54.58 | dondelelcaro | Caitriona: can't tell without really looking at it. Does it have the cert and the key in it? Does openssl like it? |
| 06:55.09 | dondelelcaro | (and no, you shouldn't let me look at it) |
| 06:55.17 | Caitriona | yeah, I know that lol. |
| 06:55.34 | Caitriona | key first, then cert |
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| 06:56.42 | dondelelcaro | Caitriona: it could also be some problem with it being a DH key; try first by using a self generated key. |
| 06:56.51 | dondelelcaro | !self-signed ssl key |
| 06:56.52 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 06:57.01 | dondelelcaro | (concatenate them to make the pem) |
| 06:57.26 | arrenlex | One of my multimedia keys sends "winkey+3" when it is pressed. I want to bind it to its own key, like X86Launch0. Is this possible? |
| 06:57.50 | liable | arrenlex: xbindkeys |
| 06:58.41 | arrenlex | liable: I'll check it out, thank you. |
| 06:59.36 | Caitriona | dondelelcaro: same error. |
| 06:59.49 | dondelelcaro | Caitriona: with the self generated ssl key? |
| 06:59.54 | Caitriona | yes |
| 07:00.15 | dondelelcaro | Caitriona: try flipping the order of the cert and key |
| 07:00.45 | Caitriona | cert first then key? |
| 07:00.50 | distatica | I am looking at running Supybot on a personal server I operate, and security is a bit of a concern for me. What I am wondering is what would be best, 1) I install supybot, setup a chroot jail, 2) I run something like Xen or Qemu with a minimal linux distribution and supybot from there, or 3) Other. If anyone has any tips I would appreciate them. |
| 07:01.10 | dondelelcaro | Caitriona: whichever way you have it, try exchanging it. stunnel 3 is kind of picky about the order for some reason |
| 07:01.33 | distatica | Someone in another channel suggested it would be best to just have supy run in a seperate group, but i'm not sure how to protect this in case the bot is compromised to prevent privledge escalation. |
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| 07:01.56 | Caitriona | no difference |
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| 07:05.36 | unlink | why is my .bash_profile being sourced when i login from ssh? |
| 07:06.16 | dondelelcaro | Caitriona: oh, this looks like #342527 |
| 07:06.32 | dondelelcaro | Caitriona: try using the -4 version |
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| 07:07.57 | Caitriona | is it in etch? |
| 07:07.57 | Caitriona | or do I need to pull from sid? |
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| 07:09.09 | Caitriona | nm, found it |
| 07:09.18 | Tigger_` | hi all :) |
| 07:09.26 | Caitriona | even works with my non-selfsigned pem file |
| 07:09.42 | dondelelcaro | Caitriona: yeah, you may want to try stunnel3 too, but stunnel should be ok. |
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| 07:10.39 | arrenlex | liable: xbindkeys isn't what I need... it lets me bind key combinations to commands. I want to bind a key to a different key altogether. |
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| 07:12.31 | Caitriona | dondelelcaro: thanks... everything's working properly with 4 |
| 07:12.42 | Caitriona | much appreciated :) |
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| 07:18.11 | dondelelcaro | Caitriona: np |
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| 07:25.20 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians. |
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| 07:28.49 | kalila | I'm looking for ways to backup about 2GB of data from my home dir |
| 07:29.10 | kalila | and keep it synced probably daily or weekly with another computer |
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| 07:29.41 | black_13 | is it possible to trim down the number of fonts used by xorg? |
| 07:29.42 | sep | rsync, or unison |
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| 07:30.14 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
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| 07:30.45 | perlmonkey | does anyone here use an Epson inkjet printer with Debian? |
| 07:30.54 | black_13 | cups |
| 07:31.01 | black_13 | !cups |
| 07:31.01 | dpkg | methinks cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 07:31.07 | perlmonkey | yes I use cups |
| 07:31.14 | Danamania | kalila: what sep said. rsync works well for me. |
| 07:31.31 | black_13 | perlmonkey, well im outta ideas |
| 07:32.10 | perlmonkey | I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a specific Epson model, and also I'm curious about Epsons "DuraBrite" ink and wanted to ask someone some questions |
| 07:32.28 | perlmonkey | maybe this is the wrong place |
| 07:32.54 | EdLin | perlmonkey: linuxprinting.org (IIRC the URL) is a good place to get that kind of information |
| 07:33.24 | perlmonkey | true, I have been there but there many of the Epson models are listed as "Mostly" supported |
| 07:33.58 | EdLin | perlmonkey: then you'll have to deal with that, or choose another brand. |
| 07:34.20 | EdLin | perlmonkey: all-in-ones in particular rarely completely work. |
| 07:34.20 | perlmonkey | I just bought a Canon PIXMA iP4200 printer which seemed to have the best support and print quality but unfortunately the printer turned out to be not suitable as it uses dye-based inks and I didnt notice when I bought it, doh |
| 07:34.32 | perlmonkey | EdLin: ok that's interesting |
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| 07:34.50 | EdLin | do yourself a favor and pay the extra $$$ for a supported laser printer if you can. |
| 07:35.08 | perlmonkey | I already have a HP laser printer which is supported and works beautifully |
| 07:35.08 | cybermad | does anyone know IP and Port of MSN Messenger? I want to block it with my firewall |
| 07:35.15 | perlmonkey | but now I'm needing a colour printer |
| 07:35.38 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : durabrite is kinda cool |
| 07:36.12 | perlmonkey | Cybermad: port is 1863, host is: messenger.hotmail.com (do a host on it for IP) |
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| 07:36.28 | perlmonkey | parsonsd: cool, do use that ink? |
| 07:36.57 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : folks do -- the stuff is pretty wet-resistant |
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| 07:37.24 | perlmonkey | I've ruled out colour laser printer due to the high cost of all the consumables so I figured Epson and it's DuraBrite ink is the next best option |
| 07:37.43 | cybermad | perlmonkey ok, just port 1863 and messenger.hotmail.com ? wew.. different with yahoo messenger, YM open many IP and ports |
| 07:37.46 | perlmonkey | excellent, that's exactly what I'm looking for as I need the printer to design labels |
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| 07:38.16 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : when i was testing it at a local apple store, i got the test paper good and wet and it was rather color fsat |
| 07:38.27 | perlmonkey | super |
| 07:38.28 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : er, s/fsat/fast |
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| 07:39.11 | perlmonkey | when I tested my new Canon yesterday the ink just ran right off the paper just by licking finger and smudging the dry print, not good at all :-/ |
| 07:39.23 | kalila | aw gross |
| 07:39.27 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : didn't dip the paper in water, yknow, but dribbled some so the paper was warped. |
| 07:39.40 | perlmonkey | uh huh |
| 07:39.51 | perlmonkey | and the ink didn't smudge or run? |
| 07:40.33 | dondelelcaro | perlmonkey: uh... in almost all cases inkjets are more expensive per page in consumables than lasers |
| 07:40.53 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : i don't know what difference it has with the regular epson in terms of resolution (used by a model marked as printing a higher res), but as I recall it didn't run. The other model epson did run, but it didn't use the colorbrite. |
| 07:41.12 | perlmonkey | dye based ink is water solluable whereas Epson's DuraBrite is pigment based and not water solluable |
| 07:41.25 | dimir | Early morning! |
| 07:41.52 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : fraid i'm not that up on printer technology, so "pigment-based" doesn't mean a lot to me. :-/ |
| 07:42.04 | dondelelcaro | perlmonkey: uh... there's no difference between dye and pigment; there are non-water soluble dyes as well as non-water soluble pigments. |
| 07:42.06 | perlmonkey | dondelelcaro: that's very true indeed and is something I had looked into carefully, the Canon I chose has one of the cheapest cost per page of all the printers, around 1.8p for normal printing, not sure about Epson |
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| 07:43.12 | dondelelcaro | perlmonkey: I kind of doubt that the actual cost of consumables is that low |
| 07:43.34 | perlmonkey | dondelecaro: you're incorrect there sir, dye based ink is always water soluble |
| 07:43.41 | dondelelcaro | perlmonkey: nope |
| 07:43.49 | SlayerXP | as near as I can tell, the only reason inkjets exists is because, on average, people are stupid. |
| 07:44.04 | perlmonkey | dondelecaro: you can take my word for it, I researched the printers I was going to buy in great detail even speaking to manufacturers |
| 07:44.16 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: nope. there are wax-based inks for printers, too. |
| 07:44.35 | dondelelcaro | perlmonkey: in "printer lingo" it may be, but there are quite definetly non-water soluble dyes |
| 07:45.01 | dondelelcaro | (it's not like it's hard to make them either; dye sublimation is a classical example of one) |
| 07:45.03 | perlmonkey | all dye based inkjet printers are water soluable ink |
| 07:45.30 | parsonsd | SlayerXP : not up on the history, but don't think that color laser is really all that old & when not using impact printers they were the way to go. |
| 07:45.49 | parsonsd | SlayerXP : unless you got into pen plotters, of course |
| 07:45.53 | perlmonkey | on special media, such as glossy photo paper dye based printing becomes water resistant (to a point) |
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| 07:46.36 | SlayerXP | parsonsd: there have been colour laser printers around for over 10 years. |
| 07:46.40 | perlmonkey | whilst colour laser printing is more economical for mass printing than inkjet the quality still is way behind Inkjets |
| 07:47.02 | perlmonkey | if you are doing short print runs and demand the highest quality inkjet is the natural choice I think |
| 07:47.05 | parsonsd | SlayerXP : inkjet has been around far longer then. |
| 07:47.20 | SlayerXP | parsonsd: yes, and it's _still_ a crap technology. |
| 07:47.29 | parsonsd | SlayerXP : i have access to a Tek 4014. output, too. |
| 07:47.31 | perlmonkey | I wouldn't say it's crap |
| 07:47.48 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: I wouldn't usually either, but this is a family channel |
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| 07:48.01 | dondelelcaro | parsonsd: not really; the first laser printers were in 71; color laser printers is just a matter of hooking up multiple laser printers with different toners |
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| 07:48.16 | parsonsd | SlayerXP : in a family channel, anything goes ;) |
| 07:48.17 | perlmonkey | the Canon printer I reviewed yesterday has output that's every bit equal to laser printing and the photographic printing is lab quality |
| 07:48.26 | perlmonkey | i'm really disappointed it uses dye based ink |
| 07:50.24 | perlmonkey | anyone wanna buy a Canon iP4200 cheap? |
| 07:50.24 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 07:50.24 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro : well, i don't know about the history too much. just that the 4014's have been in the folk's house for ages and they predated when I started seeing color laser. |
| 07:50.24 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: i'll give your 50p and my last rollo |
| 07:50.25 | SlayerXP | s/your/you/ |
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| 07:50.29 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 07:50.39 | perlmonkey | SlayerXP: it's a done deal then |
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| 07:50.53 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : i was rather impressed with the epson and when a new printer comes around here, it'll prolly be one of those |
| 07:51.17 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/hp-ink-costs-more-than-human-blood-booze-212444.php |
| 07:51.21 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : get at least two rollos for it! |
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| 07:51.28 | perlmonkey | cool, I think I will buy an Epson too, it's a just a matter of choosing the right one for Linux now |
| 07:51.45 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 07:51.55 | GeBu | Hi, |
| 07:52.00 | SerajewelKS | is there a simple non-CPU-intensive way (i.e. not an ssh tunnel) way to redirect one port on a box to another? of different inet families? |
| 07:52.11 | SlayerXP | SerajewelKS: there's redir |
| 07:52.23 | SerajewelKS | icecast2 is listening on 0.0.0.0:8000 but i want it listening on :::8000 |
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| 07:52.42 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : for what it is worth, the apple store nearby stopped offering epsons on display shortly after i picked it up for my folks. they're selling only HPs now. |
| 07:52.51 | GeBu | did anybody of you connect some machine with Debian testing (Etch) to LDAP? |
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| 07:53.11 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP: i'm thinking something more at the kernel level |
| 07:53.13 | wathek | hello all |
| 07:53.32 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP: i don't want a bunch of audio streams passing through userspace... not great for the CPU |
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| 07:53.40 | perlmonkey | parsonsd: strange, HP is one of the most expensives for ink from what I can gather |
| 07:53.56 | wathek | I'm planning to buy a wifi card for my server and I'd like to know if my Debian Sarge 3.1 will support any wifi card or there's some cards that are supported ? |
| 07:53.58 | wlnet | i keep getting this "error: mdm setup: cannot open dev `/dev/slusb0': No such device" when i run slmodemd. but a 'ls -l /dev/sl*' shows that the device is there. this happens after a recent 'apt-get upgrade'. |
| 07:54.02 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : leasing of retail space? dunno... |
| 07:54.08 | perlmonkey | could be |
| 07:54.08 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP: better would be IPv6 support for icecast2. every source i can find says my version supports it, but it doesn't seem to like it. |
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| 07:54.48 | perlmonkey | the good thing about HP printers is that they are generally very good at text printing (one of HP's strong points) and also well supported in Linux |
| 07:55.09 | wlnet | wathek: i know Belkin card is supported. i am using two. |
| 07:55.22 | wathek | ah |
| 07:55.36 | liable | atheros chipsets are a safe bet if you dont mind the binary hal |
| 07:55.56 | perlmonkey | parsonsd: I've had my HP LaserJet printer for nearly 10 years now and it's never let me down with weekly use over that period and only one toner cartridge change |
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| 07:58.27 | perlmonkey | Epson and Canon are the only inkjet printer manufacturers I know of to produce printers that print directly onto printable CD media.. although interestingly, Canon is prohibited from offering that feature in the United States as Epson has a patent on it |
| 07:58.35 | EdLin | wathek: I used a ralink wireless USB dongle successfully in Linux and OpenBSD. |
| 07:58.53 | wathek | I'd like to buy a PCI card for my Debian Server |
| 07:59.03 | wlnet | and Belkin card uses ralink chipset. |
| 07:59.08 | wathek | and an USB dongle for on other PC that I got at my home |
| 07:59.16 | EdLin | wathek: a server hooked up via wireless?! |
| 07:59.39 | wathek | in my room I got 3 PC that are linked together with a switch with Ethernet Card |
| 07:59.49 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : i've used the print-on-CD epson. with the right CDs and judicious selection of colours, it's right nice looking |
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| 08:00.19 | wathek | and I got an other PC that is in the living room and I'd like to connect it to my network |
| 08:00.30 | EdLin | wathek: ah, OK - I had a vision of blades hooked up to the internet only via wireless. ;-) |
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| 08:00.34 | perlmonkey | :-) cool, that's good to hear because that's one of my main reasons for buying an Epson |
| 08:00.41 | wlnet | EdLin: i have a server on my wlan. anythign wrong with that? |
| 08:00.41 | wathek | EdLin, you see |
| 08:01.05 | wathek | so I guess that the best solution is to use the wifi solution |
| 08:01.19 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : can't say I've used it with durabrite inks, tho. it was a totally different model (sorry, I no longer remember which models) |
| 08:01.28 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 08:02.03 | perlmonkey | parsonsd: how did you find the print resolution quality for text printing, and did you try printing text at small font sizes? |
| 08:02.17 | wlnet | wathek: you have problem with your ISP in setting up your server? |
| 08:02.24 | wathek | wlnet, no |
| 08:02.28 | wathek | why ? |
| 08:02.50 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : don't remember even looking. I suspect it was adequate for my purposes. |
| 08:02.56 | perlmonkey | parsonsd: I was blown away by the Canon yesterday, even at 6pt font size it's fine and sharp and just like laser printing |
| 08:03.06 | wlnet | wathek: i was setting up a webserver and then realise than for home link, ISP blocks port 80. |
| 08:03.25 | liable | wlnet: change isp |
| 08:03.33 | wathek | wlnet, I asked my ISP if I can set up a server and he said that I can but I can set a local server not for example a HTTP server or any thing else |
| 08:03.47 | wathek | how ever my ISP doesn't block any port for me :D |
| 08:04.13 | wlnet | liable: :D . No, setport redirect on the router. |
| 08:04.14 | ArtVandalae | wathek, HTTP server == web server |
| 08:04.16 | wathek | I can set up a HTTP server at my home but I need an autorisation from him |
| 08:04.20 | wathek | ArtVandalae, that's that |
| 08:04.43 | perlmonkey | is it the 8th today? |
| 08:05.01 | perlmonkey | parsonsd: are you in the UK? |
| 08:05.03 | ArtVandalae | A HTTP server can also be known as a webserver. Your ISP probably mean you can host a local server (for example a network fileserver) |
| 08:05.13 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : Maryland, US |
| 08:05.16 | wathek | perlmonkey, yes where are you living lol in Mars ? |
| 08:05.17 | perlmonkey | cool |
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| 08:05.25 | ArtVandalae | If they said you can't host a HTTP server, they probably meant webserver |
| 08:06.00 | perlmonkey | wathek: hehe, I lose track of what day it is sometimes..I'm on my laptop at the moment and running Fluxbox so I don't have my calender on the toolbar |
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| 08:06.03 | parsonsd | wathek : moving to Jupiter |
| 08:06.12 | wathek | ArtVandalae, I can set up any type of server for my local network but I can't set up a server to access from the outside |
| 08:06.13 | wlnet | ArtVandalae: as long as the ISP does not block port 80, it is as good as saying ok. |
| 08:06.15 | wathek | parsonsd, lool |
| 08:06.22 | wathek | perlmonkey, :))) |
| 08:06.26 | parsonsd | wathek : Ganeymede, preferred hehehe |
| 08:06.33 | wathek | :d |
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| 08:06.52 | wathek | I'm still living on planet Earth |
| 08:06.52 | perlmonkey | parsonsd: I have some Maryland cookies here, I don't think they really come from Maryland tho, it's just a brand in UK |
| 08:06.52 | wathek | :D |
| 08:07.14 | wathek | arrrg I'll sit for a french exam later and I didn't prepare for it shit |
| 08:07.15 | wathek | :( |
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| 08:07.31 | perlmonkey | c'est la vie |
| 08:07.38 | wlnet | folks in the US should be sound asleep by now. |
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| 08:07.53 | perlmonkey | that's true, parsonsd you are up late/early |
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| 08:08.05 | wathek | perlmonkey, you speak french :d |
| 08:08.15 | perlmonkey | wathek: my partner is French :) |
| 08:08.18 | utab | I use testing and I have a problem with my bash shell, when I ytpe a long line on the command line, it is truncated and the tuncated part appears on the beginning part of the command line overwriting what is before there and after this happens, if I try to use up arrow for command search I get a messy command line, I checked I am using bash2.05b, Has any of you had this before? |
| 08:08.19 | EdLin | wlnet: I'm in Brooklyn, but I have the excuse of being in "The city that never sleeps" |
| 08:08.21 | wathek | perlmonkey, je parle francais mieux qu'anglais mais bon |
| 08:08.33 | wlnet | EdLin: :P |
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| 08:08.38 | wathek | EdLin, really ?!! you never sleeps ! |
| 08:08.40 | perlmonkey | wathek: tres bien :) |
| 08:08.42 | parsonsd | wlnet : don't worry. I am |
| 08:08.47 | wathek | perlmonkey, :D |
| 08:08.50 | EdLin | wathek: no, but I'm a night person. |
| 08:08.55 | wathek | EdLin, aah |
| 08:09.19 | perlmonkey | the night is better than daytime I find |
| 08:09.22 | wathek | alright so I need to get more information about the wifi cards and dongle |
| 08:09.37 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : my excuse is that the kids are asleep and i gotta study |
| 08:09.38 | perlmonkey | for creative thinking and work anyway |
| 08:09.44 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 08:10.03 | wathek | perlmonkey, I like the daytime when the weather is cloudy when it's grey when you think that a storm will be there |
| 08:10.08 | wathek | it's really so wonderfull |
| 08:10.22 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : only right now I'm trying to find not the password, but the account name & system I need to access to get some HW done. bleh. |
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| 08:10.42 | EdLin | wathek: in other words, English weather. |
| 08:10.52 | wathek | EdLin, lol yes |
| 08:10.53 | parsonsd | EdLin : seattle |
| 08:10.54 | perlmonkey | ahh |
| 08:10.59 | wathek | :)))) |
| 08:11.04 | parsonsd | EdLin : or jeanau |
| 08:11.23 | parsonsd | (tho I've never been there) |
| 08:11.24 | perlmonkey | wathek: yes that's nice |
| 08:11.26 | wathek | it's so romantic |
| 08:11.26 | EdLin | parsonsd: yes, those are pretty wet places too from what I've heard. |
| 08:11.39 | wathek | lol |
| 08:11.44 | parsonsd | wathek : are you talking about the romance of programming? |
| 08:11.49 | wathek | sure |
| 08:11.52 | perlmonkey | I keep my curtains and blinds drawn to keep out the daylight |
| 08:11.56 | wathek | romance of programming in a such weather |
| 08:12.04 | parsonsd | wathek : i seriously think i need some sleep. hehe |
| 08:12.09 | wathek | :))) |
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| 08:12.42 | kalila | in bash, j=$j-1 will just print 3434-1 for example, i want substraction |
| 08:12.47 | tenzing_ | hi ... how can i redirect error messeges generated while running a program to a file instead of stdout? will simple redicestion work? |
| 08:12.51 | wathek | parsonsd, log in as root and write sleep 3600 |
| 08:12.54 | EdLin | kalila: bc |
| 08:13.04 | tenzing_ | redirection |
| 08:13.32 | perlmonkey | wathek: system will shutdown in 3600 seconds? |
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| 08:13.48 | wathek | perlmonkey, no it'll sleep for 3600 :p |
| 08:13.53 | perlmonkey | hehe oh |
| 08:14.04 | wathek | perlmonkey, sleep 3600 && poweroff |
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| 08:14.28 | wathek | perlmonkey, this will shutdown the systeme after 3600 seconds or you can use the shutdown command |
| 08:14.45 | perlmonkey | sleeping for 20 minutes every 2 hours might work |
| 08:14.47 | EdLin | kalila: it also has the advantage of being on many Unix systems and working in other shells |
| 08:15.18 | wathek | perlmonkey, yesterday I got an uptime of 56 days |
| 08:15.21 | perlmonkey | one can survive on 4 hours sleep a day |
| 08:15.32 | parsonsd | wathek : nah - still gotta finish... besides, a thread of romance of coding is just too trippy to handle |
| 08:15.45 | wathek | parsonsd, :))))))) |
| 08:16.06 | parsonsd | ....but i still want to be there... :( |
| 08:16.12 | perlmonkey | 34 days here |
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| 08:16.45 | OmnipotentEntity | Which package provides /usr/local/share/dict? |
| 08:17.06 | wathek | OmnipotentEntity, you're talking about the dictionnary dict ? |
| 08:17.18 | OmnipotentEntity | yeah |
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| 08:17.32 | wathek | OmnipotentEntity, I thing it's in package called dict |
| 08:17.36 | wathek | let me check that |
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| 08:18.07 | OmnipotentEntity | I have dict installed. |
| 08:18.08 | wathek | dict-freedict-spa-eng |
| 08:18.27 | wathek | aah no |
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| 08:18.37 | wathek | that's only the dictionnary from spanish to english |
| 08:18.50 | wathek | OmnipotentEntity, it's called stardict |
| 08:18.56 | wathek | stardict-common |
| 08:19.03 | wathek | and stardict |
| 08:19.04 | teledyn | /usr/local/share/dict? no debian package. /usr/share/dict maybe |
| 08:19.29 | wathek | OmnipotentEntity, it's in stardict |
| 08:19.30 | wathek | ;) |
| 08:19.41 | OmnipotentEntity | either one mostly I'm just looking for a wordlist, and I had one somewhere around there before I reinstalled, and I forgot where I got it. |
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| 08:20.02 | teledyn | /usr/share/dict/words |
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| 08:20.43 | OmnipotentEntity | Thanks! |
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| 08:21.27 | teledyn | wamerican-small|large|huge are wordlists |
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| 08:24.21 | Raging_Hog | I've got a samba-special-char-problem. What is The Debian Way of fixing it? |
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| 08:24.51 | kalila | is there a "cat" that reads the file bottom up? |
| 08:25.05 | wathek | kalila, tail ? |
| 08:25.22 | Caitriona | tail still reads top to bottom |
| 08:25.24 | wathek | kalila, hey how you doin ? |
| 08:25.45 | kalila | wathek: I'm good, how you doing :) |
| 08:25.49 | Caitriona | try "tac" |
| 08:25.50 | wathek | ok :) |
| 08:25.52 | tenzing_ | hi .. what is the package name for the python binding for svn in debian .. i could not find it using aptitude search |
| 08:26.04 | wathek | Caitriona, tac ! |
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| 08:27.12 | wathek | lol it's like cat but it reads from the bottom to the top |
| 08:27.18 | mehlng | I'm having a strange phenomena with my PS/2 optical mouse, I'm using kernel 2.6.17, and the mouse is moving from side to side and clicking randomly at spots, once in an hour. |
| 08:27.21 | mehlng | Anyone seen that? |
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| 08:28.15 | Coke | Hi! I mount a CIFS share using root.staff fmode 666 and dmode 777. When my staff-group users create new files in that filesystem the files get rw-r--r-- which means they can't write to the file they just created. How do I fix this? My first idea was to put g+s, but I don't know how to do that with fmode and dmode octal numbers. |
| 08:28.29 | wathek | mehlng, you're using your mouse with a multicolored surface |
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| 08:28.56 | wathek | mehlng, aren't you ? |
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| 08:30.50 | DocPlatypus | mehlng: I've seen that happen with a mouse used with a solid color mousepad on a Windows box |
| 08:31.09 | DocPlatypus | it also does it when plugged into my Debian box so I think it is just a somewhat lousy mouse |
| 08:31.30 | wathek | DocPlatypus, he need juste to use a unicolor mousepad |
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| 08:31.47 | wathek | put a white paper |
| 08:31.57 | DocPlatypus | no this mouse did it with a unicolor mousepad too |
| 08:32.06 | wathek | ah |
| 08:32.19 | DocPlatypus | it could be a crappy mouse |
| 08:32.27 | wathek | I guess so |
| 08:32.30 | xand | there's nothing wrong with multicoloured surfaces for optical mice |
| 08:32.36 | xand | so long as they're not shiney |
| 08:32.50 | DocPlatypus | my somewhat old Logitech USB corded mouse does not do that |
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| 08:41.53 | enouf | tenzing_: python-subversion - Python bindings for Subversion |
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| 08:45.12 | dirkson | Hey all. Running debian etch. Everytime I reboot, alsa defaults to the wrong sound card. How do I teach it which soundcard to use? Sledgehammer threats? |
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| 08:45.38 | xand | dirkson: disable/remove the other one. |
| 08:45.59 | dirkson | xand, Where does alsa keep its config file? |
| 08:46.14 | xand | I meant in hardware. |
| 08:46.17 | xand | or the BIOS |
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| 08:46.29 | dirkson | xand, I guess I could just disable ... Yeah, the bios. That seems cheatery, though |
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| 08:46.44 | dirkson | xand, But you're probably right. I have no reason for it to be enabled |
| 08:46.46 | xand | I would say it's the proper way of doing it |
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| 08:47.46 | dirkson | xand, I would disagree. What if I wanted two soundcards at once, but wanted the default to be the other one? Doesn't seem to be an easy way of doing this |
| 08:48.01 | xand | that's not the case, is it |
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| 08:49.17 | dirkson | xand, Nope, it's not at the moment. |
| 08:49.24 | dirkson | Anyway, reboot to fix stuffs |
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| 08:54.31 | woodgrain | I love Debian Linux. |
| 08:54.43 | xand | Debian GNU/Linux :D |
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| 08:55.18 | woodgrain | xand, Shoot, you're right. I love Debian GNU/Linux |
| 08:56.35 | bigmike | jh |
| 08:57.00 | woodgrain | bigmike, whats jh mean? jesus-H ? |
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| 09:01.25 | ManuP | can i change SYSTEM-WIDE the language from my system? so that every program gets the new language? |
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| 09:04.14 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 09:05.34 | py_ | hello! |
| 09:05.42 | ManuP | simonrvn, and how? |
| 09:06.12 | simonrvn | /etc/environment |
| 09:06.21 | ManuP | arent then new language-packages needed? i want to change my language to english. |
| 09:06.27 | simonrvn | and configure PAM (easy stuff, just uncomment things) |
| 09:06.33 | py_ | how can I configure a certain daemon (which is started using a start/stop script in /etc/init.d/ to be stopped and restarted when networking is restarted? |
| 09:06.39 | simonrvn | what language packages? |
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| 09:07.09 | ManuP | simonrvn, i want to change from german to english. arent then needed additional files? |
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| 09:07.38 | simonrvn | py_: /etc/network has directories, if-up.d etc. stick a scrip in there to do that |
| 09:07.51 | simonrvn | you need to generate the right locales, yes |
| 09:08.05 | simonrvn | locale-gen |
| 09:08.14 | ManuP | simonrvn, so i cange from de_DE.UTF-8 in en_US.UTF-8 ? |
| 09:08.27 | ManuP | in /etc/environment... |
| 09:08.37 | simonrvn | you could keep that and add the german one. no generate it first |
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| 09:11.15 | py_ | simonrvn: thanks! |
| 09:11.35 | ManuP | simonrvn, no, i want to change FROM german to english. |
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| 09:14.26 | py_ | simonrvn: but is there a way to tell that daemon foo womehow "depends" on "networking"? I have the feeling that there is something like that in gentoo: when you do restart the network, some daemons are stopped then restarted |
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| 09:15.43 | simonrvn | ManuP: there's the lsb stuff you can add to the init script if it isn't there already |
| 09:15.48 | simonrvn | ManuP: woops |
| 09:15.51 | simonrvn | py_: ^^ |
| 09:16.04 | ManuP | np |
| 09:16.07 | Guerin | !win me |
| 09:16.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 09:16.20 | simonrvn | ManuP: so, you need me to say something ? :) go do it already ;p |
| 09:16.41 | ManuP | i dont understand how to use locale-gen. |
| 09:16.53 | Guerin | hurrah, i just caugh a freaking big eel |
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| 09:17.57 | ManuP | !win ManuP |
| 09:17.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, ManuP! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 09:18.06 | ManuP | höhö |
| 09:18.37 | simonrvn | ManuP: :) |
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| 09:18.54 | simonrvn | run it as root, it'll ask you what you want |
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| 09:19.31 | ManuP | simonrvn, does it change my timezone? |
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| 09:19.41 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:20.00 | py_ | simonrvn: is there some package to do that? |
| 09:20.01 | ManuP | nb:/home/manuel# locale-gen Generating locales (this might take a while)... de_DE.UTF-8... done Generation complete. |
| 09:20.01 | cybermad | does anyone know how to block yahoo messenger? i already block messenger.yahoo.com from router (firewall) |
| 09:20.21 | ManuP | cybermad: iptables? |
| 09:20.27 | Guerin | cybermad: find out what ports it uses and block those |
| 09:20.29 | cybermad | then i tried ping messenger.yahoo.com and result: Request timed out |
| 09:20.46 | Guerin | cybermad: but the fact of the matter is that you'll never be able to knock it on the head if a user wants it badly enough |
| 09:21.00 | ManuP | record some traffic with wireshark alias ethereal and find out the port. |
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| 09:21.40 | cybermad | i already tried block 216.155.193.181-216.155.193.187 and 66.163.181.139-66.163.181.147 |
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| 09:22.02 | cybermad | and then i block port 5050 and 5000-5010, but yahoo messenger still can login :( |
| 09:22.58 | cybermad | Guerin yes i know, at least for beginner user can not use it.. |
| 09:23.53 | ewanm89 | That sounds like windows security to me! |
| 09:24.17 | cybermad | any idea? |
| 09:24.37 | ewanm89 | Is this the same computer? |
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| 09:25.09 | cybermad | does yahoo messenger use TCP or UDP ? |
| 09:25.31 | ManuP | i'll be back later. simonrvn may be we can talk then. |
| 09:25.33 | ManuP | bye |
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| 09:25.58 | hades | does anyone know how to forward mails from /var/mail/USER to my private gmail adress ?! ... |
| 09:26.24 | uptownben | hades:maybe /etc/aliases |
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| 09:26.36 | solemnwarning | I've been reading http://wiki.debian.org/BSP/BeginnersHOWTO but the section on uploading the patch isn't written yet |
| 09:26.48 | solemnwarning | If I fix a package how do I submit the patch? |
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| 09:27.03 | hades | uptownben i tryed to, but it doesn't work : / |
| 09:27.22 | solemnwarning | hades: What MTA? |
| 09:27.30 | hades | postfix |
| 09:27.44 | solemnwarning | Is USER a local system account? |
| 09:27.45 | arrrk | does someoneknow what's the proper way to deactivate a service that is started from an init.d script? without removing the package or changing the init file? |
| 09:27.51 | hades | yes |
| 09:27.56 | solemnwarning | gimme a sec |
| 09:28.04 | uptownben | I'm no expert, but I've done this in the past. 1. modify etc/aliases, 2. restart your mailserver (/etc/init.d/sendmail restart?) |
| 09:28.04 | solemnwarning | I'll check the setup on my mailserver |
| 09:28.05 | ewanm89 | According to wikipedia "The Yahoo! Messenger Protocol is an application layer protocol running most of the time over TCP, but in some cases over HTTP as well." HTTP use TCP! |
| 09:28.12 | fireba11 | how to run svnserve the debian way ? it gets installed with the subversion package but not set up in inet it seems |
| 09:28.15 | arrrk | I understand I can do update-rc.d to remove the links but then I'll have to know what number to assign for ordering |
| 09:28.27 | solemnwarning | Ok |
| 09:28.29 | arrrk | I just want to deactivate it without changing anything else or losing information |
| 09:28.42 | solemnwarning | hades: What is alias_maps in main.cf set to? |
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| 09:28.46 | unlink | why is my system so unresponsive when it hits a load average of 2? |
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| 09:28.50 | py_ | arrrk: use rcconf |
| 09:29.27 | hades | alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases .... 30 alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases |
| 09:29.41 | solemnwarning | hades: What did you add to /etc/aliases? |
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| 09:30.11 | hades | solemnwa root:hades |
| 09:30.20 | hades | i also tryed root:gmailadress |
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| 09:30.37 | uptownben | maybe after you modify aliases you should run sendmailconfig |
| 09:30.43 | solemnwarning | You need to update the actual database, /etc/aliases is the plain text file |
| 09:30.54 | solemnwarning | Run postmap hash:/etc/aliases |
| 09:31.03 | uptownben | and you can add the full email address I believe |
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| 09:31.12 | solemnwarning | That'll remake /etc/aliases.db with /etc/aliases |
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| 09:31.40 | arrrk | py_: that seems great, do you know if there's such a thing that is non interactive? I would rather be able to automate this... |
| 09:31.45 | uptownben | I've used the sendmailconfig tool because it goes througha dn creates all the necessary hashes for you |
| 09:31.51 | uptownben | ..I think .. :) |
| 09:32.00 | solemnwarning | Try postmap first |
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| 09:32.29 | hades | postmap: warning: /etc/aliases, line 2: record is in "key: value" format; is this an alias file? |
| 09:32.38 | fireba11 | how to run svnserve the debian way ? it gets installed with the subversion package but not set up in inet it seems |
| 09:32.40 | solemnwarning | hmm |
| 09:32.42 | eshaase | how do i scan my hard disk for bad blocks? |
| 09:32.52 | jeremieh | how does the file var/log/apache2/access.log.1 come about? is it auto generated when apache2 is installed? |
| 09:32.56 | uptownben | aliases has an error in it |
| 09:33.04 | solemnwarning | Replace the : symbols with tabs |
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| 09:33.12 | solemnwarning | Then run postmap again |
| 09:33.16 | Fox | eshaase: use badblocks |
| 09:33.29 | uptownben | jeremieh: that is a backup of a log file, probably from the previous day (depending on your setup) |
| 09:33.36 | py_ | arrrk: sorry, I don't think it supports non-interactive use |
| 09:33.37 | uptownben | ... I think ... :) |
| 09:33.42 | eshaase | Fox: ok, thanks |
| 09:33.53 | Fox | jeremieh: this comes from logrotate |
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| 09:34.14 | arrrk | py_: thanks. I keep getting this feeling that debian admin tools are made for people that administer 2 or 3 machines :( |
| 09:34.42 | hades | hmmm |
| 09:34.53 | solemnwarning | Did it work? |
| 09:35.45 | Caitriona | arrrk: cfengine |
| 09:35.54 | jeremieh | uptownben: backup of access.log? webalizer depends on it. i have to rm it because the year of the log was 2031. now i have also re-install apache2 and re-booted, still no access.log.1. so i have to wait for next day? |
| 09:36.14 | hades | no |
| 09:36.16 | hades | shit |
| 09:36.31 | jeremieh | Fox: logrotate is a package? |
| 09:36.38 | Fox | jeremieh: yes |
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| 09:37.02 | Fox | jeremieh: it rotates your log files, will move access.log into access.log.1 and touch access.log |
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| 09:37.36 | jeremieh | and this is all done auto by the system? |
| 09:37.57 | jeremieh | Fox: the two are of diff file type. |
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| 09:38.48 | arrrk | Caitriona: that's what I use. And how will I now tell it: "make sure these services are deactivated" easily? |
| 09:39.33 | arrrk | either I make my own muck around with rc.d script (adding one more crappy one to solve a stupid problem) or I script interaction with rcconf |
| 09:39.35 | arrrk | blargh |
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| 09:40.32 | Caitriona | arrrk: update-rc.d |
| 09:40.36 | Caitriona | I think. |
| 09:40.48 | arrrk | Caitriona: and then I lose information about ordering |
| 09:41.07 | arrrk | when I do want to bring back the service how will I know what numbers to assign it? |
| 09:41.55 | arrrk | this is just broken by design in debian imho, there's no standard way to deactivate a service |
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| 09:43.22 | Fox | jeremieh: this is all auto, but it's no diff file |
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| 09:44.30 | jeremieh | Fox: thks, read the man, thought of starting a logrotate now, but not easy, got to set a config file first. |
| 09:45.46 | arrrk | anyway, sorry for rant and thanks for help :) |
| 09:46.16 | Fox | jeremieh: look at the logrotate files you already have on your system, it's a good start |
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| 09:47.27 | jeremieh | Fox: where to look for those files? |
| 09:47.33 | arrrk | sysv-rc-conf seems to be able to do this, even though all these script solve the problem the long way around which is keeping some database of links, ordering and what not. This instead of just having the script provide an on/off switch |
| 09:48.02 | Fox | arrrk: to add a service to the default runlevels use update-rc.d <basename> defaults |
| 09:48.28 | arrrk | Fox: I'm aware of that, thanks. But the ordering is actually important for some services |
| 09:48.36 | Fox | sure |
| 09:48.44 | arrrk | I don't to do an ntp sync before I sync from hw clock |
| 09:49.00 | arrrk | and debian simply provides no standard way to deactivate a service |
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| 09:49.23 | arrrk | I've seen services on our network starting in the wrong order because someone went around update-rc.d removing and adding them to defaults |
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| 09:49.43 | arrrk | fortunately some init.d script do look at a file in defaults to see if the daemon should be started or not |
| 09:50.02 | arrrk | but whether they do this or not is not standardized |
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| 09:50.23 | SmokeyD | hey people, the only way not to recieve email form cron but make it log to a file is by piping the output of the individual commands to a logfile? Or does cron have other log facilities? |
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| 09:50.55 | cybermad | yahoo messenger is undefeatable :( i look the server configuration of Yahoo Messenger in Gaim, then i block the scs.msg.yahoo.com and cs.yahoo.co.jp as define in Gaim configuration (Yahoo Messenger) |
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| 09:56.53 | alexIdoia | hi, I am using evolution under X and I am lokking to add a new dictionnary; I should do a dpkg-reconfigure locales , right ? |
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| 09:59.44 | alexIdoia | anyone ? |
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| 10:04.28 | unlink | my system is high latency when kernel-mode processes are using the CPU. i have a preemptible kernel, but it's still slow. how can i tweak this? |
| 10:04.49 | unlink | (the main effect is that when i start a new process, it can take 15 seconds to appear) |
| 10:05.00 | unlink | (with a relatively small load average) |
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| 10:08.06 | SmokeyD | alexIdoia, I don't really know. You mean spell checking dictionary? You probably have to install the correct language package for evolution (or whichever package is used by evolution for spell checking) |
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| 10:15.24 | ebw | Where can I read about setuid and sticky and all those bits? |
| 10:15.35 | unlink | /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 10:16.39 | buscon | Hi, how can I extract a .sit archive? |
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| 10:23.24 | ebw | unlink: I have read somewhere that setting setuid to a directory causes all files created in the directory to have same permissions as the directory, but the info file tells me: setuid no affect on directory? What shall I believe? |
| 10:23.35 | thegve | Good morning, I am trying to use xenman for administrating a new server, I get a lot of "IOError: [Errno 2] No such file |
| 10:23.35 | thegve | Exception in callback...ignoring None |
| 10:23.35 | thegve | got expat error no element found: line 1, column 0" errors in the console |
| 10:23.52 | thegve | has something to do with sftp |
| 10:23.57 | thegve | Anyone got an idea? |
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| 10:24.22 | elshaa | hi |
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| 10:26.19 | elshaa | Is it a way to tell tar to delete the source file after a compression ? (like in "tar cvzf file.tar.gz file", I would like file to be deleted) |
| 10:26.50 | scx | you can make alittle bashy |
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| 10:27.20 | scx | tar xzvf ./file && rm -rf ./file |
| 10:27.29 | elshaa | yes, but no. |
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| 10:27.44 | elshaa | was looking for a tar option. |
| 10:27.50 | elshaa | Thanks anyway |
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| 10:30.25 | ebw | Where do I tweak my umask? .bash_profile ? |
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| 10:31.29 | elshaa | ebw: or .bashrc |
| 10:32.16 | elshaa | ebw: .bash_profile : executed for a login shell | .bashrc executed for interactive shells |
| 10:32.38 | ebw | so .bash_rc is executed even if I open an xterm in x? |
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| 10:33.05 | elshaa | ebw: exactly |
| 10:33.12 | ebw | elshaa: thanks! |
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| 10:35.20 | asr | Hi. |
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| 10:40.25 | unlink | ebw setuid means nothing on a directory |
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| 10:45.23 | scx | what's the policies of bots here? |
| 10:45.30 | ebw | unlink: thanks |
| 10:45.47 | Ronin | scx: we have enough thank you |
| 10:45.51 | sep | scx, ask in #freenode or read on freenode |
| 10:46.19 | scx | I mean the channel policies |
| 10:46.26 | petemc | dont bring bots in here |
| 10:46.30 | scx | I don't want to replace dpkg or anything |
| 10:46.39 | scx | just want to give a try to a bot |
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| 10:46.55 | Grub_N0W | use another channel. |
| 10:46.59 | Ronin | scx: id say dont drop it here but use another channel |
| 10:47.00 | Grub_N0W | or #test in fact |
| 10:47.00 | scx | ok, so forbidden? |
| 10:47.01 | cydork | scx: use #debian-bots or any other channel! |
| 10:47.03 | scx | ok |
| 10:47.11 | thegve | Odd.. In debian etch I just installed reiser4progs, and the xen kernel, but I don't have a reiser4 module available |
| 10:47.29 | scx | thnks |
| 10:47.38 | thegve | Using the repository's I shouldn't get unworkable combinations I think? |
| 10:47.55 | petemc | thegve: wouldnt it be built into the kernel rather than a module? |
| 10:48.02 | XPSlammer | thegve: your problem started the moment you decided to use reiser4. sort that issue out and the rest of the problem will solve itself. |
| 10:48.03 | thegve | yes, but it isn't |
| 10:48.58 | thegve | I know, but by including reiser4progs in the repo's, the choise of reiser4 was presented to me... But it doesn't work, because of lack of kernel support |
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| 10:50.00 | petemc | thegve: debian kernels should have reiser support |
| 10:50.00 | alex__ | hi I am expecting a bad welcome asking this question, but I need to understand it clearly why do the people from debian not consider the people from ubuntu and vice e versa |
| 10:50.18 | thegve | Yes, they do have "reiser", but not reiser4 |
| 10:50.26 | thegve | I'll pick reiser then |
| 10:50.32 | thegve | reiser will be reiser3 I guess |
| 10:50.57 | petemc | alex__: anyone who bothers to answer that will likely be biased, so its a pointless question |
| 10:50.58 | Ronin | alex__: we have no problem with them or ubuntu, we do have a problem of them asking ubuntu questions in the wrong channel and getting in a huff when we point them to #ubuntu |
| 10:51.53 | petemc | not to say Ronin is biased, of course.. |
| 10:52.21 | unlink | are there any multithreaded compression utilities in debian? |
| 10:52.45 | alex__ | ok |
| 10:52.54 | alex__ | thanks |
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| 10:53.34 | Ronin | alex__: in fact ive been know to suggest ubuntu to friends when they first start out on linux |
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| 10:54.25 | alex__ | Ronin: well I have been advised to the contrary and I am quite happy but I guess this all depends on the person |
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| 10:55.01 | alex__ | for a person coming from a proprietary OS, it is always good to see her or he go onto a GNU/linux OS |
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| 10:55.24 | alex__ | but we don't want this person to go away because it is too difficult for ex, |
| 10:55.27 | alex__ | I guess |
| 10:55.32 | expose | Hi |
| 10:56.02 | Ronin | then i tell them once they get comfortable come see me and we'll install debian etc. |
| 10:56.40 | expose | Can anyone tell me wether the official debian mailinglists are moderated in some way? as in, are there rules to follow, or is there a guideline that allows certain people to ban adresses often used for slandering or flaming? |
| 10:57.20 | petemc | flaming on a debian mailing list? surely not! |
| 10:57.50 | expose | okay, so there is no reason to deal with the issue as it simply doesnt exist? |
| 10:58.00 | expose | thus no guidelines or sth like that are existent? |
| 10:58.09 | petemc | expose: i was being sarcastic |
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| 10:58.20 | expose | oh. okay, i see... |
| 10:58.23 | Ronin | expose: did you look on teh url where you signed up for the mailling list? the first email you got when you joined it? |
| 10:58.32 | DaveyB | I have just realised that I have never logged into root under Gnome before. :/ |
| 10:58.41 | Ronin | DaveyB: nor should you |
| 10:59.01 | expose | Ronin: i didnt join it, thus: no, sorry...i'm only doing research work on how other projects handle this issue |
| 10:59.40 | DaveyB | Ronin, but maybe if you do login as root you win a prize but noone ever does and so noone ever wins |
| 10:59.43 | Ronin | expose: in that case id check what ever the url is to join it, often they have guidelines etc. |
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| 11:02.26 | comsa | ? |
| 11:02.38 | expose | Ronin: thanks, will do |
| 11:03.09 | infernix | if I've made an image of an usb stick with a partition on it (e.g. usbstick sdd with partition sdd1) with dd if=/dev/sdd of=usbstick.raw, how can I then mount it with -o loop? |
| 11:03.57 | infernix | it won't work by default as the MBR is in the first bytes of the usbstick.raw image. i need to seek ahead in the image, but how and how far? |
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| 11:08.12 | szarak | mount -o loop /ddfile /mountpoint is not working ? |
| 11:08.14 | szarak | a/w |
| 11:08.51 | jmalicki_ | infernix: depends on the partition table. |
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| 11:14.59 | teledyn_ | bs=512 count=1 offset=1 ? |
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| 11:21.59 | SmokeyD | can anybody recommend an analysis tool that can email me excerpts from syslog-ng |
| 11:22.04 | SmokeyD | each day |
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| 11:25.38 | infernix | jmalicki_: it's one single partition on a 1GB usb stick. how would I determine the offset? |
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| 11:26.15 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 11:26.45 | perlmonkey | ok, quick printer question..anyone using HP or Epson inkjet printers? |
| 11:27.05 | sep | !anyone |
| 11:27.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:27.43 | perlmonkey | I'm looking to purchase one today but would like to feel the vibe on Epson/HP and Linux, and also Epson/HP ink quality |
| 11:28.18 | perlmonkey | would appreciate some dialogue with anyone who owns a HP/Epson printer on their experiences |
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| 11:30.42 | perlmonkey | all quiet on the western front :) |
| 11:30.54 | n2iko | perlmonkey: I own and use a HP PCS2510 |
| 11:31.03 | perlmonkey | aha cool |
| 11:31.24 | perlmonkey | n2iko: do you know if it uses HP's Vivera ink? |
| 11:31.28 | n2iko | it is networked via ethernet. I never used the usb or wifi |
| 11:31.50 | n2iko | perlmonkey: no Idea. |
| 11:31.54 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:32.19 | n2iko | it prints is all I mostly care about. scans also. |
| 11:32.29 | n2iko | sorry |
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| 11:33.10 | perlmonkey | n2iko: what's the text quality like and is the printing water resistant? |
| 11:33.39 | perlmonkey | I see the PSC 2510 is an all-in-one printer with scanner and fax |
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| 11:34.37 | n2iko | not water resistant, quality is passable. I would want to print say a resume or wedding invitations |
| 11:34.54 | perlmonkey | n2iko: cool thats very helpful thanks |
| 11:34.59 | n2iko | ok |
| 11:35.21 | perlmonkey | quite an expensive printer you bought |
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| 11:35.30 | perlmonkey | that retailed for £250 in 2004 I see |
| 11:35.55 | n2iko | perlmonkey: I wanted to buy it only once. last one I had was an epson 800 |
| 11:36.03 | hugle | hello all, df -h shows: /dev/hdi1 1.7G 679M 899M 44% / . But while trying to do fdisk /dev/hdi FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive Press any key to exit cfdisk |
| 11:36.07 | hugle | What could it be ? |
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| 11:36.25 | perlmonkey | n2iko: what did you think of the Epson print quality? |
| 11:36.36 | ManuP | hugle, the decive hdi1... |
| 11:37.03 | ManuP | hugle, may be you mounted an ext-hd or an usb-stick or sth. like that. |
| 11:37.12 | hugle | # fdisk /dev/hdi1 |
| 11:37.12 | hugle | Unable to open /dev/hdi1 |
| 11:37.15 | enouf | hugle: cfdisk is open already .. close it then use fdsik |
| 11:37.21 | hugle | ManuP, it's a fresh Debian install |
| 11:37.22 | n2iko | perlmonkey: it was very good. this HP has it beat though. |
| 11:37.45 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 11:38.01 | hugle | eniac, ManuP even when running sbin/lilo on that drive it sais drive not found |
| 11:38.26 | n2iko | perlmonkey: the 800 was pretty old. I think it was purchased in 1985 or so |
| 11:38.34 | ManuP | hugle, you mean enouf ^^ |
| 11:38.36 | pzn | Hi. I need to find files modified in less than 10 minutes ago. I'll use "find / -mtime -10", however finding files in "/" takes about 15min... computer is slow and HD is huge. does anyone knows how debian find works, is "-10" relative to the start of find command or relative to current time? |
| 11:38.46 | hugle | btw, if using CORE DUO, do I need SMP support ? |
| 11:39.05 | enouf | why not .. nuilt already into kernel anyways for etcg |
| 11:39.08 | enouf | etch |
| 11:39.30 | XPSlammer | hugle: if you have a multicore processor, yes, you need a SMP kernel |
| 11:39.36 | perlmonkey | n2iko: oh I see |
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| 11:40.11 | enouf | i have NO idea what word i was thinking of even with that 'nuilt' .. so i can't even correct myself .. lol |
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| 11:40.56 | XPSlammer | enouf: "built" I expect |
| 11:41.08 | ManuP | enouf, may be until... |
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| 11:41.28 | XPSlammer | /kick ManuP_away away you go, then |
| 11:41.35 | enouf | Ahhhh ..BUILT |
| 11:41.54 | enouf | i missed the b and hit n |
| 11:42.12 | enouf | XPSlammer: gracias |
| 11:42.26 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 11:42.49 | enouf | oh erm .. s/lting/lying |
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| 11:44.51 | ManuP_afk | better so?! |
| 11:45.05 | enouf | wb ManuP_afk |
| 11:45.27 | XPSlammer | ManuP_afk: you're under the entirely mistaken impression that we need to know whether you're here or not. |
| 11:45.33 | ziro01 | sup? |
| 11:45.48 | perlmonkey | ziro01: trying to find a good printer |
| 11:46.22 | XPSlammer | ManuP_afk: in fact, it's obvious that you're neither "_away" nor "_afk" as you're typing on the fricking channel. |
| 11:46.44 | enouf | heh .. |
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| 11:49.28 | perlmonkey | :-} |
| 11:50.30 | enouf | perlmonkey: do you think blue jeans use a water-soluable dye? .. lol |
| 11:50.49 | jelly | do Debian's kernels support failover with qla2xxx driver? |
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| 11:51.29 | perlmonkey | enouf: they use what's called a colour-fast dye |
| 11:51.38 | enouf | anoline dye |
| 11:51.53 | enouf | not sure if i spelled that correctly |
| 11:52.30 | perlmonkey | all dyes fade through washing over time |
| 11:52.30 | enouf | do you wash your inkjet photos? .. lol |
| 11:52.31 | chemaja | perlmonkey: visuals |
| 11:52.38 | perlmonkey | enouf: nope |
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| 11:52.54 | perlmonkey | cheers =) |
| 11:53.10 | enouf | now do my wash! |
| 11:53.15 | enouf | :-p |
| 11:53.44 | perlmonkey | I need a water resistant ink, therefore I need Epson pigment ink |
| 11:54.11 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i've a problem with icedove, is there someone that knows it good? |
| 11:54.23 | enouf | perlmonkey: i understand that everything 'inkjet' sucks monkee b***s .. yes .. we can agree ;-) |
| 11:54.34 | perlmonkey | not everything |
| 11:55.01 | enouf | you'll never get me to support anything 'inkjet'.. they ain't getting my $$$ |
| 11:55.05 | perlmonkey | for example, Inkjet printers far exceed laser printers in resolution and colour rendering |
| 11:55.10 | enouf | fscken criminals |
| 11:55.30 | perlmonkey | well the cartridges are expensive and for printing photos I agree it's a waste of money |
| 11:55.55 | perlmonkey | cheap to use an online service like Photobox or something |
| 11:56.19 | enouf | it's cheaper to hire a live videographer .. lol |
| 11:56.26 | perlmonkey | enouf: but those colours just dazzle you :P |
| 11:56.30 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 11:56.32 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 11:56.36 | enouf | and make it al hd-dvd film .. |
| 11:56.48 | chemaja | it's ok i have firewire paper |
| 11:56.52 | perlmonkey | but it depends what you print and what you want inkjet for |
| 11:56.55 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:57.15 | perlmonkey | if you're making mock-up product labels as I do, then it's very low cost way of making short or one-off colour print runs |
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| 11:57.51 | perlmonkey | horses for courses eh |
| 11:57.54 | chemaja | to match your one-off bankruptcy from buying too many refils |
| 11:57.59 | chemaja | :P |
| 11:58.00 | enouf | perlmonkey: yes, yes , and many people have a very good excuse for uisng proprietary OSes too ,.. <yawns> |
| 11:58.24 | perlmonkey | well now that's a whole other area |
| 11:58.43 | perlmonkey | Epson printers seem to be pretty well supported in Linux with open source drivers available |
| 11:58.50 | perlmonkey | also HP |
| 11:58.59 | chemaja | hplip? |
| 11:59.05 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 11:59.09 | chemaja | woot |
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| 11:59.24 | enouf | isn't it amazing how many can self-delude themselves? .. it's wonderous, this ability we monkees have .. |
| 11:59.30 | chemaja | i suggested implementing that to my boss, he's happy now we can support printers past 2003 :) |
| 11:59.37 | perlmonkey | Canon only supports a handful of printers under Linux with OS drivers |
| 11:59.46 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 11:59.55 | perlmonkey | I use a HP LaserJet with cups |
| 12:00.02 | chemaja | enouf: which weakness |
| 12:00.18 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 12:00.18 | chemaja | enouf: er, self-delusion i mean |
| 12:00.20 | enouf | ;-P |
| 12:00.45 | chemaja | enouf: but are they cupsc or cupsd |
| 12:00.48 | enouf | chemaja: hehe |
| 12:01.01 | enouf | chemaja: still wondering .. |
| 12:01.31 | jelly | perlmonkey: pervert |
| 12:01.43 | perlmonkey | hi jelly |
| 12:01.48 | jelly | "doing" a pile of vomit? |
| 12:01.56 | perlmonkey | are you made entirely of jelly is it just your brain that's jelly? |
| 12:01.58 | enouf | jetscreamer: nah .. that was prolly appropriate ...after my comments.. |
| 12:02.06 | enouf | erm jelly* |
| 12:02.15 | jelly | perlmonkey: jelly all over! |
| 12:02.16 | jetscreamer | si |
| 12:02.22 | perlmonkey | jelly-belly |
| 12:02.31 | enouf | bad tab jetscreamer apologies |
| 12:02.37 | jelly | perlmonkey: jelly-bean! |
| 12:02.43 | jetscreamer | !pal enouf |
| 12:02.51 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 12:02.57 | enouf | <blushes slightly> |
| 12:03.07 | jelly | gaay |
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| 12:04.37 | perlmonkey | bananas+peanut butter on wholemeal bread, toasted = monkey heaven |
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| 12:04.55 | enouf | isn't that an elvis fav? |
| 12:04.59 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 12:05.09 | perlmonkey | I think that's what killed him too. heh |
| 12:05.14 | enouf | or close to that? .. ala viva las vegas? |
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| 12:05.18 | enouf | hehe |
| 12:05.30 | perlmonkey | he used to fry his tho in butter |
| 12:05.42 | enouf | ahhh .. /me takes 3 to go |
| 12:06.04 | chemaja | yum |
| 12:06.09 | chemaja | omg i want one |
| 12:06.13 | chemaja | damnit |
| 12:06.55 | jelly | perlmonkey: that give a whole new meaning to a certain Pixies' song |
| 12:07.57 | jelly | dpkg, 7 is also this monkey gone to heaven |
| 12:07.58 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 12:08.19 | perlmonkey | jelly: which one |
| 12:08.44 | n2iko | Elvis liked his on fried sweet bread |
| 12:08.52 | jelly | perlmonkey: why, _Monkey Gone to Heaven_ of course ;-) |
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| 12:09.00 | perlmonkey | woah |
| 12:09.15 | hark | god is 7! |
| 12:09.15 | petemc | my friend did rewrote that song in perl |
| 12:09.25 | petemc | http://russell.matbouli.org/writing/pixies.txt |
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| 12:09.33 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 12:09.45 | jelly | if ($man == 5 && $devil == 6) { $god = 7 } ? |
| 12:09.47 | petemc | s/did// |
| 12:09.57 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 12:10.01 | n2iko | evolution will not let me save changes in contact |
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| 12:14.54 | jelly | petemc: it's quite good although the methods of Sky and Creature classes could use some refactoring |
| 12:15.22 | petemc | send a patch! |
| 12:16.15 | perlmonkey | it's all lies |
| 12:16.42 | jelly | petemc: I mean, $creature{sky}->suck_into_hole; sounds like a rather special case. I also suspect the hole in the sky appeared before the author actually mentioning it, so that the creature could be sucked into it |
| 12:16.56 | perlmonkey | ebay is full of lies |
| 12:17.15 | jelly | perlmonkey: yes, lies. Also, collectibles and old hardware too! |
| 12:17.41 | perlmonkey | collectibles with cracks on them and hardware with the insides missing |
| 12:17.44 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 12:19.20 | jelly | perlmonkey: Buy single item no parts inside thingies, I've had good experience with those. PCMCIA cards, batteries, and similar |
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| 12:22.25 | perlmonkey | ACT Apricot F1 Vintage Computer http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ACT-Apricot-F1-Vintage-Computer_W0QQitemZ170087387964QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 12:22.34 | xjih78 | hi |
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| 12:22.52 | perlmonkey | when Britain actually made computers |
| 12:23.00 | xjih78 | when i start a debian installation under windows it doesn't detect my harddisk |
| 12:23.38 | jelly | perlmonkey: here, have a copyright violation: http://gnjilux.srk.fer.hr:49152/Pixies/Monkey_Gone_To_Heaven/Pixies_-_Monkey_Gone_To_Heaven_-_01_-_Monkey_Gone_To_Heaven.mp3 |
| 12:23.53 | perlmonkey | jelly: :D |
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| 12:24.16 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 12:25.39 | perlmonkey | copyright laws may have to be relaxed |
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| 12:32.05 | Ronin | xjih78: start under windows? |
| 12:32.06 | un1xer | hi |
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| 12:32.47 | xjih78 | Ronin: yeah. there is a small file which downloads everything from the mirrors like kernels and stuff |
| 12:33.10 | xjih78 | and then i reboot windows and start the installation through the boot loader |
| 12:33.59 | xjih78 | it starts correctly |
| 12:34.12 | xjih78 | when it comes time to detect the harddrive it fails |
| 12:34.15 | wols_ | xjih78: what controller do use? |
| 12:34.54 | wols_ | Ronin: goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 12:35.51 | xjih78 | wols_: 82801eb/er (ICH5/ICH5R) |
| 12:36.21 | wols_ | what intel chipset is it? |
| 12:36.40 | wols_ | i965/i975? |
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| 12:38.22 | xjih78 | wols_: i dunno exactly. im looking at the output of lspci |
| 12:38.36 | Ronin | wols_: i keep forgetting about that one :) |
| 12:39.06 | xjih78 | it's a SATA controller |
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| 12:40.52 | wols_ | iirc it should detecht them just fine. you could try a newer kernel. tho 2.6.18 is it right? pretty much newest as official debian kernels go |
| 12:41.32 | xjih78 | wols_: are you talking to me? |
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| 12:42.07 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
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| 12:43.13 | codept | hello, can anyone clarify the difference between nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server? |
| 12:43.43 | teledyn_ | codept: everything after the first hyphen |
| 12:43.44 | Zao | common is as it sounds, common things between the user-server and kernel-server |
| 12:43.52 | Zao | Also general NFS tools. |
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| 12:44.43 | teledyn_ | codept: apt-cache showpkg nfs-common and read the reverse-dependencies |
| 12:44.51 | codept | Zao: teledyn_ : do i have to start both services to run nfs server? |
| 12:44.59 | Coke | Hello. Is there a way to get UTF-8 support in gnuplot without using unicode code points? I've tried changing the font in my xresources, but that didn't seem to help either. |
| 12:45.16 | teledyn_ | codept: no. one or other. i usually use the kernel server. |
| 12:45.29 | codept | teledyn_: oh i see |
| 12:45.54 | defcon8 | how do I list the files of an apt package? |
| 12:46.02 | defcon8 | dpkg -c didn't work as it couldn't find the file |
| 12:46.02 | dpkg | drwxr-xr-x root/root 5369 2004-6-07 13:25:39 ./usr/share/didn't work as it couldn't find the file/pr0n/goatse.cx.jpg |
| 12:46.05 | petemc | defcon8: dpkg -L |
| 12:46.08 | defcon8 | thanks |
| 12:46.18 | teledyn_ | Coke: what about invoking it like this: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" gnuplot |
| 12:46.34 | teledyn_ | Coke: obviously make sure you've generated that locale |
| 12:47.11 | Coke | teledyn_: the problem is not that my system isn't set to UTF-8, the problem is that gnuplot is trying to use something other than UTF-8 |
| 12:47.19 | Coke | teledyn_: my system is 100% configured and working with UTF-8. |
| 12:47.42 | teledyn_ | Coke: maybe it doesn't support it? i don't know |
| 12:47.48 | Coke | The FAQ says to write Unicode code points and some other page says the default font might not have UTF-8 support. |
| 12:48.01 | codept | teledyn_: ok.. (showpkg) |
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| 12:48.23 | teledyn_ | Coke: the font might now |
| 12:48.26 | teledyn_ | might not |
| 12:48.58 | jelly | Coke: why not heed the faq? |
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| 12:51.55 | Coke | jelly: I did |
| 12:52.31 | Coke | jelly: or rather, it only fixes the problem with X, I need to do a different hack if I want the postscript correct too. |
| 12:52.39 | Coke | All in all, gnuplot just doesn't support UTF-8. |
| 12:52.41 | jelly | Coke: Oh, I misunderstood |
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| 12:53.04 | Coke | Trying to make gnuplot produce strings with UTF-8 requires a workaround. |
| 12:53.29 | jelly | Coke: sounds like a bug! |
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| 12:57.32 | Coke | jelly: naw, they just don't care much for utf-8 support |
| 13:00.05 | jelly | Coke: I mean, file it in bts and forget about it ;-) |
| 13:00.30 | terr_ | where can I find the guys who write device drivers? There are some bugs with st |
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| 13:02.46 | terr_ | Also there is some bad code in dd and I'd like to find the maintaners so we can get this fixed. |
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| 13:05.11 | xand | terr_: is there indeed. |
| 13:06.47 | terr_ | xand - yes. Probably pretty easy to fix tho. Biggest issue is the docs are crap. |
| 13:08.21 | xand | how is that "bad code"? anyway file a bug report |
| 13:08.22 | xand | !bts |
| 13:08.22 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:08.45 | terr_ | In the dd command they are looking up the setblk parameter and trying to malloc a buffer. If setblk is 0 (variable sized records) then it fails and gives a bad msg that is totally misleading. It should allocate buffermax which is a kernel parameter in this case. So that's about 3 lines of code to fix. |
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| 13:11.27 | terr_ | xand this is not a debian bug. WHoever maintains dd should patch it. I can patch it if I can find it. But if someone is already familiar its a 1/2 hour fix. |
| 13:13.26 | xand | terr_: well this isn't the place to as |
| 13:13.28 | xand | ask |
| 13:13.53 | terr_ | I don't know where to look at the moment. Lots of smart ppl here. THought somebody might know |
| 13:14.21 | graytron | terr_: dpkg -S bin/dd |
| 13:14.59 | graytron | terr_: check the man page and/or /usr/share/doc/package/AUTHORS file |
| 13:15.30 | graytron | terr_: man page clearly states "Report bugs to <bug-coreutils@gnu.org>." |
| 13:15.43 | terr_ | graytron: gotcah. |
| 13:15.47 | terr_ | thanks |
| 13:16.14 | terr_ | What about getting the default setblk parameter changed to something remotely reasonable. ITs 20 years out of date |
| 13:16.33 | terr_ | 1kb buffers are stupid. The overwhelm the interupts handlers. |
| 13:16.50 | terr_ | should be running 32kb these days |
| 13:16.54 | graytron | not really |
| 13:16.57 | terr_ | should have been 32kb in 1990 |
| 13:17.23 | terr_ | grayton why do you say not likely? |
| 13:17.42 | terr_ | pardon not really? |
| 13:17.48 | graytron | because there are so many different opinions on that, even from people who actually know something (not me) |
| 13:18.43 | terr_ | graytron: I'd like to talk with the people who think they do know. WHere are they located? Maybe I'll submit a bug report and see if something happens. |
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| 13:21.59 | graytron | terr_: your best option is probably to ask/mention about it when reporting the "bug" |
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| 13:22.32 | terr_ | graytron: good suggestion. Will do. At least we need to imporve the docs because this is a bobby trap for any newbie. |
| 13:23.08 | terr_ | The parameters are ignored by most drives anyways. My gawd, a 1KB block is too small for most scsi tapes. |
| 13:23.31 | terr_ | I was using 32kb blocks in the 1970's |
| 13:23.44 | terr_ | and up. Blocks bigger than a MB too |
| 13:24.55 | terr_ | this is just the number of bytes xfered per I/O and its not a tape block anyways. It comes from the old QIC tapes which were when? 1980? |
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| 13:25.58 | wols_ | <<exit |
| 13:26.37 | jelly | terr_: dd isn't used only for tapes. |
| 13:26.39 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 13:26.50 | jmalicki_ | dd is also used for /dev/null |
| 13:27.10 | perlmonkey | anyone installed an Epson inkjet under Debian? |
| 13:27.28 | jmalicki_ | terr_: 1KB blocks come from harddrives. |
| 13:27.36 | terr_ | jelly true. But it needs to check the blocksize parameter and if the param is zero then use the max defnied for the device in the kernel which is typically 32768 for a tape. For a disk I imagine its about 4k to 8k |
| 13:27.53 | jmalicki_ | terr_: for disks, native blocksize is usually 512 bytes. |
| 13:27.58 | jelly | terr_: ah, you're using bs or obs=0 ? |
| 13:28.00 | terr_ | jmalicki_: are hard drive xfers in 1KB buffers? |
| 13:28.05 | jmalicki_ | terr_: there is a standard to raise it to 4KB |
| 13:28.13 | jmalicki_ | terr: hard drives use 512 byte blocks. |
| 13:28.21 | jmalicki_ | terr: though they're trying to move to 4KB |
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| 13:28.35 | jmalicki_ | Linux usually lies and says 1KB for historical reasons |
| 13:28.48 | terr_ | jmalicki_: that's the sctor size by default. But the I/O can be a lot larger. |
| 13:28.57 | jmalicki_ | terr_: sure. but the sector is the block |
| 13:29.05 | jmalicki_ | the I/O size has nothing to do with a block size. |
| 13:29.14 | jmalicki_ | a block is an indivisible unit of allocation |
| 13:29.21 | perlmonkey | size does not matter |
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| 13:29.38 | terr_ | jmalicki_: yes. I'm talking about the I/O buffer which is what the device driver or application must malloc. |
| 13:29.41 | jmalicki_ | err and of addressability |
| 13:29.52 | jmalicki_ | terr: so am I. |
| 13:29.55 | terr_ | the mt setblk parameter defines this variable. |
| 13:30.15 | jmalicki_ | terr: these are the same thing. |
| 13:30.24 | jmalicki_ | terr: I/O can be done in multiple blocks. |
| 13:30.27 | terr_ | jmalicki_: how so? |
| 13:30.42 | jmalicki_ | block size has never been IO size except on very primitive systems |
| 13:31.01 | terr_ | jmalicki_: you mean such as a 3590? |
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| 13:31.12 | jmalicki_ | uhh... sure, or PDP/11, or VAX |
| 13:31.16 | jmalicki_ | i'm not sure |
| 13:31.32 | jmalicki_ | nothing modern uses single blocks for IO |
| 13:32.15 | terr_ | jmalicki_: on 1/2 tape drives it has always been the logical amount of data read or written and typically they are separeated by an IRG. newwer drives such as the 3590 redefine this so the drive does what it wants and simulates the old parameters |
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| 13:32.40 | Azar | perlmonkey: http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/server-setup-debian-sarge.html#printing |
| 13:32.42 | terr_ | 3590's are pretty modern. |
| 13:33.11 | terr_ | The issue is that an interupt is generated for each block transfered to a tape drive from what I can tell. These tiny xfers can realy swamp a system |
| 13:33.36 | terr_ | that is unless I'm misinterpreting what the device driver is actually doing. |
| 13:33.51 | perlmonkey | Azar: cool thanks |
| 13:34.07 | perlmonkey | can Gimp-print allow printing in other applications besides Gimp? |
| 13:34.39 | Azar | perlmonkey: I never installed a printer with my Debian, so no experience there |
| 13:34.43 | terr_ | jmalicki_: I think the confustion comes because a block on a disk is not the same as on a tape. |
| 13:34.48 | Azar | perlmonkey: command line? |
| 13:35.00 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 13:35.22 | perlmonkey | I have so far successfully installed HP LaserJet 4P and Canon PIXMA iP4200 |
| 13:35.37 | jelly | I have to idea about the internals, but specifying a block size in a backup app. (Legato NetWorker in this case) really put blocks of the requested size on the tape. At least, the app complained if it found blocks of different size on the medium |
| 13:35.48 | perlmonkey | Canon took 6 hrs |
| 13:35.49 | jmalicki_ | terr: hmm |
| 13:35.56 | jelly | s/to/no/ |
| 13:36.00 | perlmonkey | HP about 2 hours, including time to setup Cups |
| 13:36.02 | jmalicki_ | jelly: that's been my experience.... |
| 13:36.41 | terr_ | jelly: yes the app complains. |
| 13:36.52 | perlmonkey | ebay does have some bargains |
| 13:37.09 | jmalicki_ | terr: can you read the tape with a different blocksize than you wrote? |
| 13:37.21 | terr_ | jelly - But.. drives like the exabytes sumulate the requested block structure. THey buffer up to 245,000 bytes and write it out. |
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| 13:37.58 | terr_ | jelly 3590's do also. they basically do what they want on the tape and remember what the OS asked for and pretend they did it that way. |
| 13:38.00 | jelly | terr_: that is a reasonable behavior, but then they must also write an indication of simulated bs? |
| 13:38.14 | terr_ | jelly: oh yes! Agree. |
| 13:38.15 | Azar | perlmonkey: I just googled for you and everywhere I look it seems it is used with gimp? |
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| 13:38.58 | perlmonkey | Azar: which one, Canon? |
| 13:39.41 | terr_ | jelly - the thing is I beleive and would like to confirm (without too much work) that the device driver actually does an I/O xfer to the tape once for each logical block. If the block is 1KB which it is for an exabyte scsi tape - then that is a lot of I/O |
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| 13:40.18 | calamari | hi |
| 13:40.30 | terr_ | jelly. Tar for instance was running BS 20. I could not even get a backup to run! I changed to to bs 1024 and it ran 10x faster adn was 100% reliable. |
| 13:40.57 | jelly | terr_: umm... 20 BYTES ??? |
| 13:41.00 | terr_ | jelly - thing is I didn't try changing setblk at the time... |
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| 13:41.19 | terr_ | 20 tar blocks. A tar block is yet another layer. |
| 13:41.21 | calamari | how is gdm able to shutdown/restart without requiring a password? is there a secure way to do it without installing gdm? |
| 13:41.50 | terr_ | jelly - if you read the docs it is clear that the guys writing tar didn't understand tape blocking. |
| 13:41.52 | jmalicki_ | terr: hmm.. it looks like the device driver can buffer a lot more than a single block and write a lot more at once... |
| 13:42.07 | terr_ | jmalicki_: well it should be able to. |
| 13:42.20 | jmalicki_ | terr_: so then why increase blocksize for performance? |
| 13:42.31 | terr_ | jmalicki_: but the problem might be the application might transfer in setblock units to the device driver. |
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| 13:42.41 | Azar | perlmonkey: It seems Epson does not have PostScript, maybe that why is to be used with gimp? |
| 13:42.43 | jmalicki_ | terr: sure... but that's an application-layer problem. |
| 13:42.57 | jelly | ARH |
| 13:42.59 | jmalicki_ | terr: also, the driver can buffer and not write immediately depending on what you use with mnt |
| 13:43.01 | jmalicki_ | err |
| 13:43.01 | jmalicki_ | mt |
| 13:43.03 | perlmonkey | Azar: aha I see |
| 13:43.10 | jmalicki_ | its in the linux st manpage |
| 13:43.21 | jelly | ARGH, even. "The GNU folks, in general, abhor man pages, and create info documents instead. Unfortunately, the info document describing tar is licensed under the GFDL with invariant cover texts, which violates the Debian Free Software Guidelines. As a result, the info documentation for tar is not included in the Debian package." |
| 13:43.22 | terr_ | jmalicki_: I'm almost certain that this is what is happening... bug in dd for instance - specifiy a variable sized record (setblk 0) and dd tries to allocate a buffer of length 0 |
| 13:43.30 | perlmonkey | Azar: do you know if Canon IP4200 has PS? |
| 13:43.42 | jmalicki_ | terr: oh that may be true |
| 13:43.54 | jmalicki_ | terr: dd will use the device blocksize by default.. |
| 13:43.56 | terr_ | jmalicki_: I'll re-read that. |
| 13:44.08 | Azar | perlmonkey: dunno just google like I did : Cannon for Debian |
| 13:44.22 | terr_ | jmalicki_: yup. and for a variable blocksize you need setblk 0 |
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| 13:44.50 | jmalicki_ | terr: yep, you should set dd's blocksize to be larger than the tape, certainly. |
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| 13:45.18 | terr_ | jmalicki_: I'll file a core-utils bug report. The message dd issues should say why it can't alloate the memory as well - of course it doesn't. |
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| 13:45.44 | terr_ | jmalicki_: yes - you can do this. Its not obvious. Hense any newbie will trip over it. |
| 13:45.55 | jmalicki_ | terr: yep, i totally agree. |
| 13:46.11 | terr_ | jmalicki_: if we can get some of these glitchs cleaned up then it may assist the adoption of linux. |
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| 13:47.02 | terr_ | jmalicki_: in any event - its probablyu only a couple lines of code for dd to look up the kernal maxbuffer parameter and use that if the setblk parameter is zero. |
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| 13:47.20 | jelly | terr_: ah, I see that they use the term "block size" in a somewhat incompatible way. "[...] In a standard tar file (no options), the block size is 512 and the record size is 10240, for a blocking factor of 20. What the --blocking-factor option does is sets the blocking factor, changing the record size while leaving the block size at 512 bytes. [...]" -- http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/Blocking.html#Blocking |
| 13:47.20 | calamari | I'm pretty sure a glitch in dd isn't impeding the adoption of linux :) |
| 13:47.22 | subopt | Why are my Alt keys not mapped to Meta in Xterms, Rxvt's, etc? They're mapped correctly in all other apps, including GnuEmacs (with X support), Xemacs, etc. |
| 13:47.27 | Azar | perlmonkey: http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/ |
| 13:47.40 | saispoo | hi, anyone know if it's possible to have a repository with alphabetical order such as ubuntu with mini-dinstall ? or i must use other programs ? thks |
| 13:47.40 | jmalicki_ | terr: i support fixing bugs... but do you think newbies leave linux because of issues like that? i guess i've always assumed it's more like... "I see bash$... now what?" ;) |
| 13:47.45 | terr_ | jelly: exactly. They didn't understand it |
| 13:48.06 | terr_ | tape blocks contain records - tar records contain blocks. |
| 13:48.25 | jelly | terr_: Good thing I didn't read this document before. ;-) |
| 13:48.30 | terr_ | tar records can be blocked together on a tape. |
| 13:48.57 | terr_ | jelly. its horrible! How do we clean up this bad nomaclamenture because people arn't going to understnad it. |
| 13:49.13 | jmalicki_ | terr: it is *really* low level |
| 13:49.24 | jmalicki_ | terr_: this kind of stuff is the wizard layer of abstraction |
| 13:49.26 | jelly | terr_: and I suspect blocking factor should mean "how many tar records per medium block" |
| 13:49.37 | terr_ | I've got 25 years experiance on a lot of operating systems and a lot of tape drives... and I had to read it several times and still am not 100% sure of all the details |
| 13:49.40 | jmalicki_ | terr_: normal users are supposed to use a backup GUI. |
| 13:49.45 | calamari | if you're worried about it, perhaps a paragraph or two explaining it in the man page would be great |
| 13:50.00 | jmalicki_ | terr_: yep.. but only a wizard would even ATTEMPT those operations |
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| 13:50.03 | jmalicki_ | terr_: but you |
| 13:50.11 | jmalicki_ | terr_: but you're definitely making things easier for other wizards |
| 13:50.20 | terr_ | jmalicki_: I had to read a tar from a sun for a buddy of mine. 10 year oold tape. THis was not obvious... took me hours! |
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| 13:50.51 | jelly | jmalicki_: Using a GUI is all well until the app barfs funny errors because the tape was first written on a Windows machine. :-| |
| 13:50.53 | terr_ | Well - if we can clean up the docs.. that is a start. Just using the term "tar media record" is a good place to start. |
| 13:51.01 | jmalicki_ | jelly: :) |
| 13:51.05 | terr_ | and maybe "tar media block". |
| 13:51.15 | jmalicki_ | you can use cpio |
| 13:51.44 | terr_ | jelly - or a sun. |
| 13:51.47 | perlmonkey | Azar: I installed that and it didnt work, so i got the original drivers from Canon's website in Japan, those worked fine |
| 13:52.05 | perlmonkey | is tape backup still good? |
| 13:52.33 | terr_ | jelly jmalicki_ I think we all agreee here. How can we improve this? |
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| 13:52.55 | terr_ | perlmonkey: we are still reading 9 track tapes from the 1960's. Yes - tape backup is good. I do not trust CD's. 10 years from now - how will we read an old CD? |
| 13:52.57 | jmalicki_ | terr: i'm actually working on improving debian build system stuff and i'm up to my neck.. so no offense but it's not my itch |
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| 13:53.03 | jmalicki_ | terr_: but i admire what you're doing |
| 13:53.08 | perlmonkey | terr_ woah |
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| 13:53.22 | jmalicki_ | terr_: start by compiling some fixes, maybe submit a bug report or two and patches |
| 13:53.24 | terr_ | jmalicki_: I've got some time - I can make some improvments if I know how to. |
| 13:53.31 | jmalicki_ | terr_: debian bugs |
| 13:53.39 | perlmonkey | terr_ but I have vcr cassettes from 10 years ago which don't play so good now, all fuzzy ? |
| 13:53.44 | terr_ | jmalicki_: ok. Good suggestion. |
| 13:53.45 | jmalicki_ | terr_: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 13:53.58 | jmalicki_ | terr_: also, open source is very driven by implementation rather than suggestion |
| 13:54.06 | terr_ | perlmonkey: VCR are analog. mag tape is saturation coding. |
| 13:54.12 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 13:54.13 | jmalicki_ | terr_: so if you have an idea to improve a manpage, make a patch and submit it |
| 13:54.21 | jmalicki_ | terr_: and badger the maintainer till they take it |
| 13:54.34 | perlmonkey | terr_ you are speaking audio tapes, not PC magnetic storage tapes? |
| 13:54.38 | terr_ | perlmonkey: sometimes the guys need to set the gains with an osiliscope but they can read the tpes still. THe may money at it too. |
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| 13:55.32 | jmalicki_ | terr_: maybe a tape expert has been lacking and will be able to help a lot of projects |
| 13:55.32 | perlmonkey | terr_ but how can a tape recording not be analog, the process is analog eh? |
| 13:55.32 | perlmonkey | digital = cd? |
| 13:55.32 | jelly | jmalicki_, terr_: This is probably a unique case where it's a good thing that Debian doesn't distribute the upstream documentation. ;-) |
| 13:55.34 | terr_ | jmalicki_: I supplied tapes for years and supported some of the biggest companies in the siesmic are who used them.. |
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| 13:55.52 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: well, everything is analog at a fundamental level |
| 13:56.03 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: digital just discretizes things |
| 13:56.11 | perlmonkey | not really |
| 13:56.18 | jmalicki_ | actually, yes |
| 13:56.24 | terr_ | perlmonkey: saturation. A 1 is max signal and a 0 is least signal... nothing in between. On a vcr it follows a curve which they like to be linear. |
| 13:56.25 | perlmonkey | analog means by a mechanical process |
| 13:56.41 | perlmonkey | digital does not involve a mechanical process |
| 13:56.43 | jmalicki_ | digital means by a discretized mechanical process |
| 13:56.52 | Flimzy | Digital means it has to do with "digits" |
| 13:56.58 | perlmonkey | laser is not mechanical eh |
| 13:57.02 | terr_ | jmalicki_: hey - you might be the guy to ask about an upgrade problem I have after moving from woody to sarge. |
| 13:57.07 | Flimzy | Digital is simply something that can be represented by a specific number. |
| 13:57.11 | jmalicki_ | terr_: i'll give it my best shot |
| 13:57.20 | perlmonkey | digitised data yes |
| 13:57.22 | jelly | Flimzy: IOW, discrete values? |
| 13:57.27 | perlmonkey | so... |
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| 13:57.42 | perlmonkey | if we store data on a cd thats a digital process because the data is stored digitally |
| 13:57.45 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: digital is just analog where anything above a threshold is a 1 and anything below is a 0 |
| 13:58.01 | Flimzy | "Digital" is not dependant on a mechanical process, nor electronic, nor any other specific type of process. |
| 13:58.17 | Flimzy | jmalicki_: Digital doesn't have to be binary. |
| 13:58.24 | jmalicki_ | flimzy: ok, good point :) |
| 13:58.26 | terr_ | jmalicki_: there is I beleive a library issue and the wait() got moved from one lib to another. Hense a large number of deamons on my system do not wait() their children and my system fills with zombies. It doesn't happen with all the deamons - but several of them. |
| 13:58.27 | Flimzy | jmalicki_: My digital clock displays time in base-12 |
| 13:58.32 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 13:58.35 | Flimzy | (well, base 12 displayed in base 10) |
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| 13:58.48 | jmalicki_ | terr: hmm.. which ones? |
| 13:59.04 | terr_ | thing is with CD's the dyes can go south and somethings pretty quickely. |
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| 13:59.06 | jmalicki_ | terr: i don't believe wait() moved... but some behavior may have changed |
| 13:59.07 | perlmonkey | a machine can be analog and digital |
| 13:59.11 | perlmonkey | like a vcr |
| 13:59.20 | jmalicki_ | terr: i have seen similar things with signal masking gone awry |
| 13:59.48 | terr_ | jmalicki_: what I see is that moziall firefox will develop 100's of zoombies. Privoxy, 100's of zoombies. I have to keep restarting them. |
| 13:59.48 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: Most (maybe all?) digital machines contain an analog component. |
| 13:59.49 | wij32 | can someone explain the difference between a window manager like blackbox, and a desktop like gnome? do i need both? |
| 13:59.52 | perlmonkey | magnetic recordings will not be replaced ever fully by digital? |
| 14:00.01 | jmalicki_ | terr_: eww |
| 14:00.05 | perlmonkey | Flimzy: how about mp3 players |
| 14:00.14 | Flimzy | perl_cont: Many magnetic recordings are digital. |
| 14:00.18 | terr_ | jmalicki_: it happened with the upgrade to sarge. |
| 14:00.26 | perlmonkey | where is the analog part of a mp3 player? |
| 14:00.27 | Flimzy | perlmonkey, sorry |
| 14:00.31 | terr_ | jmalicki_: real pain |
| 14:00.36 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: The output is analog :) |
| 14:00.47 | perlmonkey | it's digital you fool :P |
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| 14:00.52 | jmalicki_ | terr_: oh! probably threading changes. |
| 14:01.02 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: So your MP3 doesn't have a DAC? |
| 14:01.12 | Flimzy | s/MP3/MP3 player/ |
| 14:01.16 | terr_ | digital is how you interpret something. If you wish... you can interpret 256 recording levels as 8 bits. This is if your device is realiable this way. |
| 14:01.17 | jmalicki_ | terr_: try starting the app with LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4 mozilla |
| 14:01.18 | Flimzy | Audio *is* analog. |
| 14:01.24 | Flimzy | If you can hear it, it is analog. |
| 14:01.34 | terr_ | jmalicki_: explain. |
| 14:01.51 | jmalicki_ | terr_: try starting the app with LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.0 mozilla |
| 14:01.59 | Flimzy | In fact, you might go so far as to say that if you can perceive it, it is analog. |
| 14:02.01 | terr_ | let me re-read that. I'm running kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 14:02.07 | jmalicki_ | terr_: linux has changed the way threading works several times to be more POSIX-compliant and work better |
| 14:02.11 | perlmonkey | Flimzy: why do some equipment state digital sound output |
| 14:02.13 | Flimzy | Human senses are analog, not digital. |
| 14:02.26 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: Because the output digital sound. But they don't output digital audio. |
| 14:02.26 | terr_ | jmalicki_: well that would explain it. |
| 14:02.31 | jmalicki_ | terr_: if the app is written for an older threading library, the new behavior can confuse it |
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| 14:02.41 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: They probably use a SPDIF output, for another device (with digital input) to receive. |
| 14:02.45 | jmalicki_ | terr_: since they differ in subtle ways |
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| 14:02.49 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 14:02.57 | jmalicki_ | terr_: i'm not sure that's it, but it's a probably difference |
| 14:02.58 | perlmonkey | so |
| 14:03.03 | terr_ | jmalicki_: makes sense - when it kills its child it must wait() the pid to see if an erorr is returned... |
| 14:03.07 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: My DVR has a digital output... called firewire. But I am incapable of watching firewire. I require a Digital-to-analog converter (known as a TV) to watch it. |
| 14:03.13 | jmalicki_ | terr_: but both use threading |
| 14:03.16 | diskus | perlmonkey: so that means that the other device will have DAC |
| 14:03.18 | terr_ | isn't doing this so the retrun codes pile up. |
| 14:03.18 | perlmonkey | the sound can travel digitally but ultimately it has to be played as analog sound thru a speaker? |
| 14:03.22 | jmalicki_ | terr_: for normal wait and processes nothing changed |
| 14:03.25 | terr_ | I figured they would fork() |
| 14:03.30 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: Yes. |
| 14:03.34 | perlmonkey | unless you're a computer and then you can listen to it in glorious digital stream, 0's and 1's? |
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| 14:03.38 | terr_ | of course threads are implemented with fork() |
| 14:03.38 | jmalicki_ | terr_: the web seems to indicate both use threads? |
| 14:03.42 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: pretty much. hehe |
| 14:03.43 | perlmonkey | ok understood |
| 14:03.45 | jmalicki_ | terr_: actually, they're not ;) |
| 14:03.52 | terr_ | jmalicki_: they were! |
| 14:04.02 | jmalicki_ | terr_: they're implemented with clone(), which is kind of like fork, but highly configurable |
| 14:04.09 | terr_ | jmalicki_: when did that change? |
| 14:04.11 | diskus | perlmonkey: nope, speakers get their signal as audio |
| 14:04.15 | jmalicki_ | terr_: on Linux it was always the case. |
| 14:04.37 | jmalicki_ | terr_: but clone() got some new options that newer threading packages use |
| 14:04.39 | diskus | perlmonkey: ah, forget what I said didn't notice your last msg :P |
| 14:04.41 | terr_ | jmalicki_: I'll have to check my books. Stevens book on IPC might tell me. |
| 14:04.58 | jmalicki_ | terr_: most linux threading stuff is much later than stevens |
| 14:05.04 | jmalicki_ | like in the detailed interface |
| 14:05.20 | jmalicki_ | clone() isn't something you'd ever use, it only really exists for pthread_create |
| 14:05.40 | perlmonkey | being human has the limitation of being organic/only being able to hear analog sound |
| 14:05.51 | Trewas | perlmonkey: all signals are analog (well at least when we stay above quantum level), the signal becomes digital only after you have discretized the analog signal |
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| 14:06.01 | graytron | terr_, jmalicki_ & jelly: so did you find an agreement on the block size issue? |
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| 14:06.16 | terr_ | jmalicki_: well - he's dead now anyways so he won't be contributjing for a while until he gets reincarnated and gorws up. |
| 14:06.24 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: In a mechanical sense, sound is all analog. Strictl speaking, "digital sound" is just a "digital representation of soundwaves" |
| 14:06.29 | jmalicki_ | terr_: ;) |
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| 14:07.02 | terr_ | graytron: somewhat. Its all very confusing... we agree with that. |
| 14:07.09 | jmalicki_ | graytron: i think i was at least confused about which blocksize was where :) |
| 14:07.15 | Flimzy | Trewas: And what happens at the quantum level? All signals are analog and digital simultaneously? :P |
| 14:07.19 | jmalicki_ | a lot of very similar terms getting tossed around |
| 14:07.27 | graytron | yeah |
| 14:07.29 | jmalicki_ | at the quantum level everything is random |
| 14:07.38 | terr_ | and mean differnt things. |
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| 14:07.59 | EdLin | jmalicki_: not quite "random" probabilistically |
| 14:08.08 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: Being "limited" to analog perception really isn't a limitation. It's superior to digital. |
| 14:08.12 | EdLin | jmalicki_: some things are more likely to happen than others. |
| 14:08.20 | Trewas | Flimzy: well, for example light consists of separate photons, so its "discrete" deep down |
| 14:08.25 | jmalicki_ | edlin: random doesn't have to be uniform :) |
| 14:08.39 | EdLin | jmalicki_: probabalistic is the correct term |
| 14:08.48 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: Only recently (in the last 3 decades or so), has digital audio reproduction begun to approach original analog quality. |
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| 14:08.55 | EdLin | Trewas: it's both a wave and a particle, paradoxically |
| 14:08.58 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: Funamentally, any analog-to-digital conversion is *lossy*. |
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| 14:09.20 | jmalicki_ | edlin: they're synonymous from a mathematical point of view. |
| 14:09.21 | perlmonkey | phew |
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| 14:09.40 | perlmonkey | why did older analog sound better? |
| 14:09.49 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: older than what? |
| 14:09.56 | EdLin | perlmonkey: how old? Tubes? |
| 14:09.58 | perlmonkey | than our present technology |
| 14:09.58 | graytron | Flimzy: you're saying that VCR tapes are best? ;) |
| 14:10.06 | EdLin | perlmonkey: probably compression |
| 14:10.07 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: "analog clipping" |
| 14:10.13 | perlmonkey | Flimzy has multi track magnetic tapes |
| 14:10.14 | jmalicki_ | err yes, compression, same thing |
| 14:10.18 | Flimzy | graytron: No. But I would say that VCR tapes were better than digital video technology that existed at the same time :) |
| 14:10.19 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 14:10.22 | EdLin | !jmalicki_++ |
| 14:10.29 | terr_ | jmalicki_: ok. Looking at that variable. Mozilla for instance starts from a gui i/f in KDE. So would I put this into my .bashrc file befor I run startx? |
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| 14:10.44 | jmalicki_ | terr_: you don't want it everywhere. |
| 14:10.49 | jmalicki_ | terr_: just for the misbehaving apps. |
| 14:10.50 | EdLin | VHS technology was crap. Betamax had other drawbacks (play time) |
| 14:10.59 | perlmonkey | technology is improving all the time tho, no? now we have HD video and digital recording recorders |
| 14:11.06 | jmalicki_ | terr_: i would do something like make a start_mozilla.sh |
| 14:11.11 | jmalicki_ | that is #!/bin/sh |
| 14:11.15 | terr_ | jmalicki_: oh. how to do this? What if I just upgrade to the next thing after sarge? |
| 14:11.24 | jmalicki_ | LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.0 exec mozilla |
| 14:11.30 | graytron | and Windows Vista |
| 14:11.30 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: and HD video still doesn't shake a stick at live analog perception :) |
| 14:11.40 | jmalicki_ | terr_: if you upgrade your mozilla and privoxy it will probably fix it |
| 14:11.41 | terr_ | jmalicki_: ok.. can look at that too. |
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| 14:11.54 | jmalicki_ | terr: if it is what i think it is ;) |
| 14:11.57 | terr_ | jmalicki_: maybe I'll try that. probably easier. |
| 14:12.02 | perlmonkey | live analog perceiption = using ones eyes? |
| 14:12.10 | freetos | how do i upgrade to etch from sarge from the command line? |
| 14:12.10 | jmalicki_ | terr: if not, its probably a different issue |
| 14:12.19 | terr_ | jmalicki_: I can get a source copy too. |
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| 14:12.35 | jmalicki_ | terr: are you running the privoxy and mozilla from sarge or from woody? |
| 14:12.37 | terr_ | etch is next after sarge? |
| 14:12.40 | jmalicki_ | like, did those pkgs get upgraded? |
| 14:12.41 | jmalicki_ | yes |
| 14:12.50 | perlmonkey | Flimzy: so what you are saying is humans are superior to technology afterall, despite being analog only |
| 14:13.06 | terr_ | jmalicki_: probably from woody. They were running in woody and I upgraded to sarge. I don't know what versions sarge used. |
| 14:13.09 | freetos | sarge is the latest stable distribution |
| 14:13.19 | jmalicki_ | terr_: if you install the ones sarge uses it will probably be enough |
| 14:13.26 | graytron | perlmonkey: Nietschze at least |
| 14:13.26 | terr_ | jmalicki_: I know the upgrade was a nightmare. |
| 14:13.28 | jmalicki_ | terr: like an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 14:13.32 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: I am saying that digital is a human-concieved concept, used to break reality down into small, tangible pieces of information so that our limited machines can manipulate it. |
| 14:13.36 | jmalicki_ | terr: a dpkg -s privoxy will tell you |
| 14:13.39 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: analog *is* superior to digital. |
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| 14:13.42 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 14:13.48 | jmalicki_ | flimzy: it can depend... |
| 14:13.53 | perlmonkey | we've been tricked eh |
| 14:13.56 | terr_ | jmalicki_: yes that is what I did. But it hooped badly. |
| 14:13.59 | freetos | jmalicki_: thanks |
| 14:14.01 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: You've been tricked... :P |
| 14:14.05 | jmalicki_ | flimzy: digital is nice because it can be robust to signal errors |
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| 14:14.12 | terr_ | was 2 years ago. I forget the details. |
| 14:14.16 | jmalicki_ | freetos: i dunno what i did, but sure :) |
| 14:14.36 | Flimzy | jmalicki_: That's done in analog communications all the time, too. |
| 14:14.40 | perlmonkey | but ultimately we need to store our experiences |
| 14:14.41 | VXWorks | hi all, I can't install debian cause it says that it has no modules to install my Network card |
| 14:14.49 | Flimzy | jmalicki_: But that's not really what we're talking about anyway. |
| 14:14.52 | perlmonkey | and digital is superior to analog when it comes to storage? |
| 14:14.58 | jmalicki_ | flimzy: i guess i don't know enough about that to trust it :) |
| 14:15.00 | terr_ | What I could do is go get another hdd and install a new version and start over... |
| 14:15.01 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: It depends on what you're storing. |
| 14:15.07 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 14:15.15 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: If you're storing the Mona Lisa, analog would be best. |
| 14:15.22 | jmalicki_ | flimzy: i've never heard of analog error correction before |
| 14:15.24 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: So you can retain all of it's original "quality" |
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| 14:15.30 | Flimzy | jmalicki_: What did you say? |
| 14:15.33 | terr_ | jmalicki_: we really need full VM technology here I think. |
| 14:15.34 | jmalicki_ | flimzy: i've never heard of analog error correction before |
| 14:15.39 | Flimzy | jmalicki_: Did you say you've never heard of an alien log? |
| 14:15.39 | perlmonkey | if you're storaging a program digital is best? |
| 14:15.46 | jmalicki_ | terr_: have you seen the vmplayers you can download? |
| 14:15.52 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: If you're storing a program, digital is the only way. |
| 14:16.09 | jmalicki_ | flimzy: ? |
| 14:16.11 | perlmonkey | what about the cassette recorders of the 1980s used to store data |
| 14:16.13 | Flimzy | jmalicki_: You've just experienced analog error correction :) |
| 14:16.19 | perlmonkey | on home computers |
| 14:16.22 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: What about them? |
| 14:16.24 | terr_ | jmalicki_: not really. I know of them. I just havn't used them. I have an old version of vmware from 1998 and havn't needed to upgrade. |
| 14:16.28 | perlmonkey | magnetic analog storage? |
| 14:16.33 | terr_ | I was thinking about XEN |
| 14:16.48 | jmalicki_ | terr_: vmware has a free version now, and you can download fully installed linux distributions for free |
| 14:16.53 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: Those stored digital data. |
| 14:16.57 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 14:17.03 | VXWorks | I will download de newest version of debian. How many CD do I need? |
| 14:17.11 | terr_ | jmalicki_: nice. so I can get linux running in linux.. :-) |
| 14:17.12 | Flimzy | VXWorks: About 70 |
| 14:17.13 | jmalicki_ | terr: its nice for trying stuff out |
| 14:17.23 | perlmonkey | VXWorks: just one |
| 14:17.31 | terr_ | jmalicki_: haha - like a woody to sarge upgrade!!! |
| 14:17.32 | perlmonkey | a boot disk |
| 14:17.38 | jmalicki_ | terr: exactly ;) |
| 14:17.41 | Flimzy | VXWorks: Your best bet is to download the netinst CD |
| 14:17.48 | Flimzy | VXWorks: And then just the packages you want. |
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| 14:17.49 | jmalicki_ | terr: you just run a new VM instead of go through a painful upgrade :) |
| 14:17.57 | perlmonkey | put, it, on, the net, dont put software on bits of plastic and bits of plastic in boxes |
| 14:17.59 | terr_ | I'd need a bigger disk for that. |
| 14:18.03 | jmalicki_ | true |
| 14:18.04 | perlmonkey | who said that? |
| 14:18.27 | jmalicki_ | is debootstrap gone in etch? |
| 14:18.37 | Flimzy | jmalicki_: No. |
| 14:18.44 | perlmonkey | Larry Ellison said it, founder of Oracle |
| 14:19.16 | terr_ | jmalicki_: if we had the old IBM Partition Data Set... we could simply drop to the vm monitor and copy the PDS and then install the new version in our viritual machien and if we like it keep it and roll the old one out ot backup... and if not erase the failure and try again. |
| 14:19.16 | Flimzy | I am on a quest for a data backup solution. We have a dozen or two servers we want to back up locally (to a single HD), and also remotely (also to a HD). Can anyone offer their experiences with any specific backup software that might be helpful? |
| 14:19.20 | perlmonkey | Microsoft is releasing now the future is the net and future versions of Windows should be released online |
| 14:19.28 | perlmonkey | *realising |
| 14:19.51 | jmalicki_ | terr: :) |
| 14:19.54 | terr_ | jmalicki_: the PDS is like a loopback mounted file except they are basically unlimited. |
| 14:20.06 | jmalicki_ | terr_: it's amazing how long it's taking the rest of the world to catch up to 30 yr old technology |
| 14:20.12 | terr_ | jmalicki_: and you don't suffer a performance hit. |
| 14:20.15 | jmalicki_ | err is it 40 by now |
| 14:20.16 | jmalicki_ | ? |
| 14:20.31 | terr_ | jmalicki_: yes. but it is happening. |
| 14:20.35 | perlmonkey | true |
| 14:20.46 | jmalicki_ | yeah, i really like the virtualization stuff |
| 14:20.57 | jmalicki_ | it's such a simple idea |
| 14:21.01 | perlmonkey | ok I got a serious question now |
| 14:21.02 | n2iko | is there a .deb for flash-player? |
| 14:21.22 | perlmonkey | is it possible to use Windows fonts in Linux? is it just a case of copying the fonts into a folder on Linux? |
| 14:21.28 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: yes |
| 14:21.32 | perlmonkey | woah |
| 14:21.47 | perlmonkey | I never even realised |
| 14:21.59 | perlmonkey | all this time been going back and forth |
| 14:23.07 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: apt-get install msttcorefonts |
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| 14:23.35 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: that will get you arial and the like |
| 14:23.43 | jmalicki_ | and should be enough to figure out how to use them. |
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| 14:23.54 | perlmonkey | jmalicki_: thanks :-) phew you learn something everyday with linux |
| 14:24.27 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 14:24.44 | perlmonkey | Setting up msttcorefonts (1.8) ... warning: /usr/share/fonts/X11/truetype does not exist or is not a directory |
| 14:24.48 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 14:25.06 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: the dependencies might be screwed up. |
| 14:25.11 | perlmonkey | :( |
| 14:25.22 | jmalicki_ | that's ones a mess to talk you through, but there are good howtos |
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| 14:25.37 | perlmonkey | can't I just extract them? |
| 14:25.40 | jmalicki_ | (it's in the class of it's hard enough and enough people want it that there are easy step by step guides, which is always great) |
| 14:25.45 | Grapsus | hello ! |
| 14:25.50 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: you need to set up linux to understand how to use them. |
| 14:26.00 | perlmonkey | I'm running Linux |
| 14:26.10 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: TTF font support is an optional package that's not always set up by default |
| 14:26.14 | earthian | hellop, what is the command that is bond to "Alt+F2" that open the Run program dialog? |
| 14:26.15 | Grapsus | I need some help with Xvfb please |
| 14:26.18 | perlmonkey | :( |
| 14:27.02 | abrotman | !ask |
| 14:27.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:27.09 | abrotman | earthian: depends on your wm |
| 14:27.21 | earthian | abrotman, any wm |
| 14:27.22 | earthian | gnome |
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| 14:27.41 | earthian | i am using compiz and i have possibility to bind a command there :) |
| 14:27.48 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 14:27.53 | perlmonkey | lots of .exe files |
| 14:28.14 | terr_ | jmalicki_: et al... nice chatting with you guys. I'll be taking a break in a few mins and I've got some other things to do for a while. |
| 14:28.34 | jmalicki_ | terr_: good to talk to you... good luck getting linux tape support improving! |
| 14:28.36 | perlmonkey | jmalicki_ I installed them simply by creating the missing folder and reinstalling them after removing first, all fonts were unpackaed |
| 14:28.44 | perlmonkey | All done, no errors. All fonts downloaded and installed. |
| 14:28.49 | perlmonkey | is my system broken now? |
| 14:28.52 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: but can you select them? |
| 14:28.58 | terr_ | jmalicki_: ya thnx for the suggestions. I'll see what I can do. |
| 14:29.01 | Grapsus | I've managed to run the virtual X server Xvfb, I can run Xeyes or Xterm into it, but when I try to load a heavy application like a webbrowser it says that XInputExtension isn't loaded, how to load it ? xvfb hasn't xorg.conf |
| 14:29.45 | Anthro | Can someone help me with SSL certificates and courier-imap-ssl? I bought an SSL certificate from GoDaddy and now I'm trying to figure out how to tell courier to use it properly. I have an openssl-generated key from which I generated a CSR which I sent to GoDaddy. They gave me back a certificate block. I don't know which blocks to put where. |
| 14:29.52 | perlmonkey | jmalicki_ yup can select any in apps now |
| 14:29.58 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: cool! |
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| 14:30.08 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 14:30.21 | Grapsus | is there a generic way to load X extensions ? |
| 14:30.26 | perlmonkey | jmalicki_ I should file a bug report? |
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| 14:30.41 | Flimzy | I think I'm gonna roll my own backup software. |
| 14:30.42 | jmalicki_ | perlmonkey: probably |
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| 14:30.45 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 14:31.29 | earthian | abrotman, well.. i need to know the search for files shell command that is located at "Places" menu of gnome and when i press Alt+F2 which opens me a "Run Application" dialog.. these two should have some kind of shell commands which i need. |
| 14:33.39 | hark | gnome-search-tool and gnome-panel-control --run-dialog |
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| 14:34.23 | earthian | thanks hark! |
| 14:34.44 | terr_ | Out of curiosity... what is the digital camera support like in linux these days? |
| 14:35.06 | Flimzy | terr_: Well considering that 99% of digital cameras just use a CF card (or similar), Linux support is excellent, so long as you have a USB card reader. |
| 14:35.09 | perlmonkey | my Canon was supported easily in Debian using photo2 package |
| 14:35.16 | perlmonkey | it detected it immediately |
| 14:35.27 | abrotman | earthian: i think gnome has a thing for keyboard shortcuts |
| 14:35.51 | terr_ | Flimzy: are teh USB card readers pretty generic? I have zero USB devices at this time... lots of SCSI stuff tho. |
| 14:36.00 | Flimzy | terr_: yes. |
| 14:36.29 | terr_ | Flimzy: how much to usb card readers typically cost? |
| 14:36.36 | perlmonkey | cheap as chips |
| 14:36.39 | wols_ | terr_: 5-10$ |
| 14:36.41 | Flimzy | terr_: < $10 |
| 14:36.49 | Flimzy | (US) |
| 14:36.51 | wols_ | max $20 or so |
| 14:36.56 | perlmonkey | I bought a pcmcia cf reader for like $5 |
| 14:37.08 | terr_ | I have to see if I can afford to buy one! |
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| 14:37.25 | terr_ | what about a USB cable... $5 bux? |
| 14:37.27 | perlmonkey | five bucks you cant go wrong |
| 14:37.34 | Flimzy | terr_: Most come with a USB cable. |
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| 14:37.39 | liable | bux?? |
| 14:37.40 | perlmonkey | i paid 1.49 for a usb cable yesterday |
| 14:37.52 | Flimzy | "$5 bux" == "five dollars bucks"? |
| 14:38.07 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 14:38.10 | perlmonkey | u americans |
| 14:38.13 | terr_ | ok. thanx. This is going to be a big expenditure. I need to bring the USB prots from the back of hte machine where I can't get at them to the front. I think I might need a usb hub for this. |
| 14:38.26 | perlmonkey | terr_ damn you must be really poor :-/ |
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| 14:38.37 | Flimzy | terr_: Avoid USB hubs whenever possible. |
| 14:38.38 | wols_ | terr_: externals come with a usb cable. internals you connect to your mobo headers (imho better) |
| 14:38.39 | terr_ | perlmonkey: eitehr that or cheap. |
| 14:38.45 | perlmonkey | usb hubs are cheap too, around 5 bucks |
| 14:38.48 | wols_ | they use a 3,5" bay you don't need anymore |
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| 14:39.03 | Flimzy | wols_: My 3.5" bays are always full. |
| 14:39.17 | terr_ | I've got the usb ports on the mobo. Really hard to get at them. |
| 14:39.35 | terr_ | I do have a 3 1/2" bay! |
| 14:39.42 | zu22 | i have ssh acccount on a remote system that runs Debian 3.1, i don't have root access just normal user and want to install darcs, is there a way i can install it in my $HOME dir? also which version of darcs can i install in Debian 3.1? (the latest version possible) |
| 14:39.50 | terr_ | perlmonkey: thanx - I'll buy you a beer for that! |
| 14:39.53 | pzn | Hi! any file-copy command that will copy the structure too? I need to do "cmd /usr/bin/file /mnt/" and it will copy as /mnt/usr/bin/file. |
| 14:39.54 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 14:40.15 | Flimzy | zu22: You can install it from a tarball. It's completely outside of the "Debian" way in that case--read the "INSTALL" or "README" file that comes with the package. |
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| 14:40.29 | parsonsd | perlmonkey : good luck with yer epson. |
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| 14:40.46 | Flimzy | I need some tunes. Is it possible to get bittorrent to connect to multiple IP addresses if you have a machine with multiple internet connections? |
| 14:41.03 | perlmonkey | why dont you use amule? |
| 14:41.09 | zu22 | Flimzy: ok cool, was thinking i'd have to 'dpkg -i' it, just for future reference is it possible to force a .deb to install in a specific directory or would the .deb have to be built with that in mind? |
| 14:41.15 | pzn | zu22, you may need some system library too. in that case set the variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH to your home dir and put the libs there. |
| 14:41.24 | terr_ | what is the best way to get those usb headers on the mobo interfaced to something similar at the front of the machine? |
| 14:41.29 | Flimzy | zu22: It's not possible to install a .deb without being root. |
| 14:41.30 | zu22 | pzn: ok thx for the tip |
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| 14:41.41 | perlmonkey | seriously, amule is good |
| 14:41.43 | zu22 | Flimzy: i thought fakeroot let you do that |
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| 14:41.59 | Flimzy | zu22: Hmm... you might be able to fool dpkg with fakeroot. But I wouldn't count on it :) |
| 14:42.09 | perlmonkey | Flimzy: apt-get install amule |
| 14:42.12 | zu22 | Flimzy: k :) |
| 14:42.15 | thechef | bittorrent is a p2p protocol, they usually connect to multiple IP-adresses.. ?? |
| 14:42.18 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: ? |
| 14:42.25 | perlmonkey | Flimzy: for your tunes |
| 14:42.29 | thechef | ah |
| 14:42.32 | thechef | now i understand.. |
| 14:42.36 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: Does it allow me to bind to multiple local IPs? |
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| 14:42.43 | cydork | zu22: nope not possible. dpkg requires write permissions to certain files. |
| 14:42.47 | Flimzy | thechef:I have multiple *local* IPs. |
| 14:42.51 | zu22 | cydork: ok |
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| 14:42.56 | perlmonkey | Flimzy: I dunno, but it does let you find lots of tunes quickly |
| 14:43.17 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: heh. I can do that with a web browser. |
| 14:43.18 | teclo- | Hello, I need a ppd driver for a Oki 9600 color laser printer. What package should I install ? I'm on etch. Thank you |
| 14:43.28 | perlmonkey | Flimzy: you will get viruses |
| 14:43.36 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: Uh... No. |
| 14:43.43 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 14:43.45 | pzn | zu22, you can use "dpkg -x" to extract the package contents |
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| 14:43.50 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: I'm not using Windows. duh |
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| 14:43.59 | zu22 | pzn: ah good to know |
| 14:44.14 | cydork | !printers |
| 14:44.14 | dpkg | it has been said that printers is to see if you printer works in linux, go to http://www.linuxprinting.org and go to printer listings Evil Things From Hell Sent To Torment System Administrators. |
| 14:44.19 | cydork | teclo-: ^^ |
| 14:44.27 | zu22 | watch for the FCC/RIAA/MPAA etc. :) i don't think amule provides strong user cloaking |
| 14:45.27 | wols | zu22: there is no "usercloaking" in anny major p2p program right now |
| 14:45.33 | perlmonkey | if you pretend to be dumb people have lower expectations of you and life is much easier |
| 14:45.52 | Flimzy | perlmonkey: If you are honestly smart, you don't have to pretend to be dumb. |
| 14:46.14 | wols | Flimzy: why do you need to bind to multiple local IPS (I'm guessing you mean actually interfaces)? |
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| 14:46.15 | perlmonkey | Flimzy you are smart |
| 14:46.22 | zu22 | wols: thought i read about one, don't recall the name |
| 14:46.41 | Flimzy | wols: Because I have 3 slow Internet connections, I would like to use them all in conjunction with each other. |
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| 14:47.08 | wols | zu22: there are experimental ones, but compared to the normal ones, trhoughput sucks since they must do onionrouting |
| 14:47.12 | wols | which means no one uses it |
| 14:47.26 | wols | Flimzy: how do you use them right now? |
| 14:47.54 | Flimzy | wols: How do I use the 3 connections? completely independantly of each other :) |
| 14:48.06 | teclo- | cydork: yes ? |
| 14:48.10 | Flimzy | wols: I do have squid set up on a common machine with pseudo-random routing for load balanacing. |
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| 14:48.28 | wols | and that's pretty much the only way you can use them since you don't have support for your bundling from the ISP end |
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| 14:49.05 | Flimzy | wols: Uhm. I don't believe you. |
| 14:49.43 | wols | sure. so how can you use it otherwise? with http it kinda works since that is a stateless protocol |
| 14:49.47 | wols | all others: not so much |
| 14:49.54 | zu22 | wols: ah yeah |
| 14:50.12 | wols | and even if http, only the interface that sends the GET can receive anything for that get |
| 14:50.15 | wols | no other way |
| 14:50.17 | Flimzy | wols: there's nothing on the protocol level to prevent a p2p client from connecting to different peers over different IPs/interfaces |
| 14:50.33 | abrotman | that's silly .. the ISP can still see what you're diong |
| 14:51.11 | perlmonkey | hi there abrotman |
| 14:51.16 | wols | Flimzy: routing does |
| 14:51.25 | Flimzy | wols: ha, no it doesn't. |
| 14:51.34 | Flimzy | wols: Unless you're using linux 2.0.13 or some other ancient sh*t |
| 14:51.44 | Flimzy | wols: apt-get install iproute |
| 14:52.02 | wols | Flimzy: so what client do you use which can use multiple local interfaces? |
| 14:52.05 | Flimzy | wols: ever heard of source routing? |
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| 14:52.21 | wols | abrotman: are you the gnustep guy or is it tarzeau? |
| 14:52.21 | Flimzy | wols: That's the question I was asking. |
| 14:52.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: |
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| 14:55.33 | Talnakh_ | hey guys, just a quick question. where should i write a command so it will be executed on startup of debian? |
| 14:55.40 | Talnakh_ | is it boot.local? |
| 14:55.47 | Flimzy | Talnakh_: /etc/rc?.d |
| 14:55.52 | wols | rc.local |
| 14:55.58 | Talnakh_ | ok, thanks |
| 14:56.05 | wols | in /etc/init.d/ and a link from /etc/rc2.d/ to it |
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| 14:56.28 | waspius | !beryl |
| 14:56.29 | dpkg | i heard beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
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| 14:57.17 | Talnakh_ | wols, thanks. could you tell me what is the name of the uility which can manipulate rc links? |
| 14:57.24 | waspius | hi...i want to install beryl on my system but from what i see only etch supports it.. |
| 14:57.34 | wols | update-rc.d |
| 14:57.44 | wols | waspius: try backports |
| 14:57.44 | Talnakh_ | wols, thanks a lot ;-) |
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| 14:58.00 | waspius | wols: what is backports? |
| 14:58.08 | wols | !tell waspius about backports |
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| 14:58.56 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 14:58.56 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 14:59.05 | enouf | Talnakh_: also take a peak at /msg dpkg rcconf {and sysv-rc-conf} |
| 14:59.05 | waspius | wols: i had tried upgrading my whole system to etch but whenever i rebooted i could not open x-server |
| 14:59.24 | wols | waspius: then dpkg-reconfigure your xserver until it loades again |
| 14:59.48 | wols | what video driver do you use for your xserver? |
| 14:59.53 | wols | abrotman: so are you using gnustep or not? |
| 14:59.54 | waspius | ati |
| 14:59.56 | Talnakh_ | enouf, i am installing that package now |
| 15:00.04 | Talnakh_ | enouf, thanks |
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| 15:00.06 | wols | waspius: and which driver? and what chip? |
| 15:00.10 | abrotman | wols: hell no |
| 15:00.33 | waspius | wols: ati radeon 345m on laptop |
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| 15:01.10 | wols | ok, so it's tarzeau. need some wmaker infos |
| 15:01.22 | wols | waspius: use a radeon driver then, not ati |
| 15:02.01 | enouf | Talnakh_: no prob |
| 15:02.15 | waspius | wols: so should i try upgrading to etch again? |
| 15:02.25 | abrotman | wols: i told you that! |
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| 15:02.27 | wols | yes you should |
| 15:02.39 | wols | etch is frozen and soon stable anyways |
| 15:02.40 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 15:02.49 | wols | and for a desktop with beryl it's the better choice (imho) |
| 15:02.59 | wols | abrotman: didn't see, sorry |
| 15:03.05 | abrotman | !fix wols |
| 15:03.18 | wols | there isn't anything to fix there for a long time now :P |
| 15:03.22 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 15:05.13 | waspius | wols: after upgrading i get the error failed to start the x-server...failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/exten..something...failed to load glcor, speedo, unable to find a valid framebuffer device etc |
| 15:07.06 | waspius | wols: any ideas? |
| 15:08.29 | enouf | !today |
| 15:08.29 | dpkg | from memory, today is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 15:08.48 | wols | waspius: for starters, dpkg-reconfigure and choose vesa |
| 15:09.08 | wols | when this works you can change and use a different driver, a 3D accelerated one which you need for compiz |
| 15:09.15 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.21 | wols | either radeon or fglrx |
| 15:09.34 | wols | !tell waspius about drxx |
| 15:09.34 | perlmonkey | f'kin cups is doin my head in |
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| 15:09.58 | enouf | waspius: try apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 15:10.00 | perlmonkey | ffs |
| 15:11.07 | waspius | enouf: E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 15:11.36 | enouf | !mantra |
| 15:11.48 | enouf | waspius: apt-get update |
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| 15:12.28 | enouf | waspius: did you follow the instructs in /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:12.39 | wols | waspius: are you using etch now? |
| 15:13.00 | waspius | wols: i changed to vesa..now? |
| 15:13.06 | waspius | wols: no |
| 15:13.30 | enouf | waspius: sorry .. and gah |
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| 15:13.44 | enouf | I saw you said i upgraded .. nm |
| 15:13.53 | enouf | !slap me |
| 15:14.03 | waspius | enouf: abrotman helped me with the upgrade twice...but both times i could not run x-server |
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| 15:14.10 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
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| 15:14.21 | waspius | so i have reformated twice |
| 15:14.27 | enouf | eww |
| 15:14.36 | enouf | craptop .. eh? |
| 15:14.41 | waspius | :) |
| 15:14.56 | enouf | waspius: ever try just etch? no sarge? |
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| 15:16.00 | waspius | enouf: i downloaded a cd with etch but it seemed to run much slower than what my system does now..it is like when i tried with ubuntu-kubuntu where it run quite slow...under plain debian it goes much faster..and in etch it did not |
| 15:16.19 | waspius | dont know why |
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| 15:17.31 | noire | anyone else having trouble with dpkg pausing on a dist-upgrade for libapache2-mod-php4? |
| 15:18.00 | waspius | so anyone got any ideas what i can do? |
| 15:18.00 | abrotman | pausing ? |
| 15:18.06 | abrotman | waspius: use the etch installer |
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| 15:18.36 | waspius | abrotman: which is were? |
| 15:18.44 | enouf | !di |
| 15:18.45 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 15:18.48 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 15:18.48 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 15:18.56 | enouf | wtf? |
| 15:18.59 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 15:19.14 | abrotman | !di |
| 15:19.14 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 15:19.21 | noire | abrotman: Sarge has been sitting at "Setting up libapache2-mod-php4 (version)" for about 15 minutes |
| 15:19.26 | enouf | make that di -> dis instead maybe .. make di, and d-i the same |
| 15:19.28 | abrotman | that's nto good |
| 15:19.45 | abrotman | enouf: nah .. it pointed to things that don't install Debian |
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| 15:19.56 | enouf | oh ..ok |
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| 15:20.07 | waspius | so now what do i follow..3 times? |
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| 15:20.13 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:20.16 | waspius | ok |
| 15:20.17 | abrotman | get the 140MB daily netinst |
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| 15:20.26 | waspius | a other format? |
| 15:20.29 | waspius | oh my god |
| 15:20.32 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:20.35 | enouf | but now both are the same .. ;-) |
| 15:20.47 | abrotman | i just changed it! |
| 15:20.48 | mindframe | etchistheshiznit |
| 15:20.59 | enouf | !beer abrotmoo |
| 15:21.07 | waspius | i ope this one works |
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| 15:21.29 | waspius | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso this one i will download right? |
| 15:21.58 | UniXoiDe | anyone have idea about cbq and htb ! |
| 15:22.03 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 15:22.03 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 15:22.08 | waspius | and i will use the vesa driver?not ati? |
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| 15:22.41 | abrotman | sounds good! |
| 15:22.42 | wols | waspius: if you still have problems with X, we need to ssee your X log |
| 15:22.54 | waspius | and how will we do that? |
| 15:22.55 | wols | not just false descriptions by you but exact error messages |
| 15:22.59 | wols | pastebin |
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| 15:23.40 | waspius | ok if i get the same error i will go through windows and u will guide me through |
| 15:23.54 | wols | why windows? |
| 15:23.56 | enouf | eww |
| 15:24.07 | enouf | !smelly waspius |
| 15:24.07 | dpkg | ewww, someone get rid of the week-old cheese and waspius! |
| 15:24.12 | abrotman | waspius: debian can be used at the command line |
| 15:24.14 | liable | because he cant do shit in console? |
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| 15:24.21 | liable | give him a break |
| 15:24.22 | waspius | because i dont know how to use it |
| 15:24.28 | wols | liable: then maybe he should start learning |
| 15:24.37 | waspius | u can tell me though |
| 15:24.38 | enouf | liable: maybe it's a she .. |
| 15:24.40 | wols | waspius: ignorance is no excuse |
| 15:24.41 | EdLin | !u |
| 15:24.41 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:24.44 | abrotman | waspius: then install irssi-text .. irssi -c irc.freenode.net .. and come back here and get help |
| 15:24.56 | waspius | ok i will try |
| 15:24.56 | wols | EdLin: can't be. -us is a masculine ending. latin says so |
| 15:25.19 | EdLin | wols: er, I didn't weigh in on that debate. :-) |
| 15:25.28 | liable | enouf: dream on :P |
| 15:25.42 | EdLin | wow, a real woman in IRC? I thought they were all fake! |
| 15:25.58 | abrotman | a/s/l ? |
| 15:26.03 | waspius | lol |
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| 15:26.09 | EdLin | !lol |
| 15:26.09 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:26.14 | abrotman | no .. i don't really want to know |
| 15:26.19 | jmalicki_ | lol |
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| 15:26.25 | alexcamilo | what is DMPS in the context of X11 |
| 15:26.30 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 15:26.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 15:26.33 | jmalicki_ | alexcamilo: you mean dpms? |
| 15:26.41 | alexcamilo | yup srry |
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| 15:26.51 | chewed-on | Hey guys. |
| 15:26.58 | alexcamilo | thanx. |
| 15:26.59 | chewed-on | A quick question which I'm sure you guys can answer :) |
| 15:27.02 | waspius | abrotman: i installed irssi ..then what? |
| 15:27.04 | Talnakh_ | !ixbt |
| 15:27.09 | abrotman | waspius: in debian ? |
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| 15:27.14 | chewed-on | How do I make my Debian be able to read USB devices ? |
| 15:27.16 | waspius | abrotman: yes |
| 15:27.20 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 15:27.20 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 15:27.32 | abrotman | waspius: irssi -c irc.freenode.net .. and then use rgular irc commands |
| 15:27.45 | chewed-on | . . .? |
| 15:27.57 | chewed-on | Anyone can answer my question ? |
| 15:28.04 | EdLin | !ask |
| 15:28.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:28.05 | wols | chewed-on: abrotman already did |
| 15:28.06 | enouf | chewed-on: look up |
| 15:28.16 | wols | !tell chewed-on about usb-storage |
| 15:28.22 | wols | and now dpkg even messaged you |
| 15:28.43 | RvGaTe | !paste |
| 15:28.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 15:29.07 | EdLin | !botabuse |
| 15:29.07 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 15:29.32 | waspius | sorry if i get stuck i will do it through windows cause from the terminal there is no way i will make it...i cant even get irc running |
| 15:29.46 | enouf | !tell waspius -about paster |
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| 15:30.18 | abrotman | waspius: does your internet work at all ? |
| 15:30.26 | wols | waspius: is your debian partition formatted with ext2 or ext3? |
| 15:30.32 | waspius | abrotman: yes |
| 15:30.37 | waspius | wols: ext3 |
| 15:30.37 | noire | now that my dist-upgrade has been hung for 20 minutes, is there a better way to interrupt the process it than ctrl-c? |
| 15:30.58 | wols | http://www.fs-driver.org/ install this on windows then (I assume you're running a dual boot config) |
| 15:30.59 | EdLin | noire: "kill" offers a variety of choices |
| 15:31.04 | wols | so you can access the logs from windows |
| 15:31.10 | fsmunoz | hehe |
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| 15:31.37 | waspius | wols: i have installed already a program to see my linux files |
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| 15:32.28 | jelly-home | wols, waspius: but note that driver doesn't work well for ext3 with dir_index option. (so don't write on ext3 if you have that) |
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| 15:32.38 | wols | waspius: explore2fs? the IFS has the advantage that it mounts the drive as a normal drive so every program in windows can use it |
| 15:32.49 | wols | jelly-home: dir_index is what? |
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| 15:33.16 | waspius | jelly-home: so i should use ext2? |
| 15:33.18 | jelly-home | wols: an optional feature of ext3, directory entries hashed |
| 15:33.30 | abrotman | oh ffs ... get his IRC client working |
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| 15:33.41 | jelly-home | waspius: no, it's ok if you just use fs-driver.org to read files |
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| 15:33.54 | abrotman | waspius: are you in debian now ? |
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| 15:34.14 | waspius | abrotman: yes |
| 15:34.22 | waspius | i am going to burn the cd now |
| 15:34.24 | abrotman | waspius: and X is owrking or not ? |
| 15:34.38 | waspius | abrotman: now yes...when i upgrade is does not |
| 15:34.58 | wols | waspius: press ctrl+alt f2 |
| 15:34.59 | jelly-home | wols: decently fast access to files when there are a lot of files in one directory, switched on by default in etch mke2fs -j |
| 15:35.00 | wols | log in as root |
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| 15:35.03 | abrotman | so when you install etch .. after it's done .. install irssi-text package .. irssi -c irc.freenode.net .. and come back here .. there's NO reason you need to use windows to debug your problem |
| 15:35.06 | wols | then apt-get install irssi-text |
| 15:35.09 | enouf | don't upgrade ; done ;-P |
| 15:35.20 | wols | then become a normal user there and run irssi: irssi -c irc.freenode.net |
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| 15:35.31 | wols | inside irssi when you're connected to freenoed: /join debian |
| 15:35.39 | wols | enouf: he wants beryl |
| 15:35.53 | wols | enouf: and sooner or later he will need to upgrade |
| 15:35.54 | enouf | eww .. |
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| 15:36.00 | enouf | wols: not really .. |
| 15:36.03 | waspius | oh mu dear |
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| 15:36.10 | elshaa | hi |
| 15:36.29 | waspius | so i will upgrade..i will not use the etch cd |
| 15:36.33 | wols | waspius: if you have problems in the console 2, you can come back to X and ask here with ctrl+alt F7 |
| 15:36.45 | elshaa | is it possible to simulate a middle click (to paste text) from the keyboard ? |
| 15:36.50 | elshaa | in a terminal |
| 15:36.57 | enouf | 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 935 not upgraded. <-- \o/ |
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| 15:37.10 | EdLin | elshaa: use screen to cut and paste between screen multiplexed terminals |
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| 15:37.34 | wols | waspius: you can upload files, no need for copy+paste: http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 15:37.45 | wols | oops |
| 15:37.49 | wols | elshaa: gpm can |
| 15:37.58 | enouf | elshaa: shift + insert |
| 15:38.25 | bony | I tried to recover grub from a live cd but i get this error when i say grub-install hd0 "/dev/hdc5: Not found or not a block device". |
| 15:38.26 | waspius | wols: :S guys after upgrading it works fine...when i reboot the error turns up..if i reboot this x system will close so i will not be able to come back here...anyway i will install the etch cd and if i have trouble i will be back |
| 15:38.35 | waspius | thanx |
| 15:38.36 | waspius | allot |
| 15:39.03 | justin | waspius: uh, you don't need X to use irc |
| 15:39.10 | abrotman | we've gone over this |
| 15:39.11 | wols | waspius: use irssi. that way you can come back. from inside debian and you can actually try and fix it |
| 15:39.12 | hark | what error? |
| 15:39.19 | wols | when you#re in windows you can't fix your debian... |
| 15:39.31 | elshaa | enouf: GREAT ! |
| 15:39.33 | elshaa | Thanks |
| 15:39.38 | waspius | ok...i will give it a shot |
| 15:39.43 | enouf | no biggy ;-) |
| 15:39.44 | wols | it will be VERY tedious to always reboot and try a little thing |
| 15:39.53 | wols | install irssi now to try it out, while X still works |
| 15:39.57 | wols | in the console |
| 15:40.07 | jelly-home | screen might help too |
| 15:40.19 | waspius | ok..what is the command?apt-get install irssi? |
| 15:40.23 | abrotman | waspius: how about you install irssi-text now .. get used toit .. and then do upgrade/install and then if you need it .. you'kll know how to use it |
| 15:40.37 | wols | waspius: several people already told you several times. read up |
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| 15:42.07 | enouf | waspius: what does grep WW /var/log/X* say? .. use a pastebin |
| 15:42.25 | enouf | bah |
| 15:42.30 | enouf | waspius: what does grep EE /var/log/X* say? .. use a pastebin |
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| 15:44.25 | wols | enouf: he's still in sarge where X works for him |
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| 15:45.38 | enouf | oh.. heh .. no wonder why there's conflicting reports from him/her it seems .. guess the craptop doesn't like xorg (however s/he is installing it) .. possible blobule mutation? |
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| 15:47.28 | waspius | !pastebin |
| 15:47.28 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 15:47.50 | zrin | I see 98% wait time in top, but the associated process - how can I find out what is causing "98% wait time"; the system ist slowed down immensly |
| 15:48.17 | enouf | it's proll javashit |
| 15:48.23 | zrin | ... but not any associated process ... |
| 15:48.36 | waspius | enouf: here u go http://pastebin.ca/386384 |
| 15:48.47 | enouf | maybe it's associates are tired of waiting? |
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| 15:50.14 | stony | hi |
| 15:50.59 | stony | the initrd image of my box wants to load a raid1 module that doesn't exist ... i edited /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and set MODULES=list and removed all modules from the list .. |
| 15:51.39 | stony | did an update (update-initramfs) and still the same ... |
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| 15:51.56 | simoneDeBeauvoir | happy women's day!!! |
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| 15:52.07 | FredaStark | happy womens day to you too : ) |
| 15:52.24 | FredaStark | I think a woman has two choices: either she's a feminist or a masochist |
| 15:52.31 | simoneDeBeauvoir | La liberte des uns implique la liberte des autres |
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| 15:52.37 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:52.38 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:52.44 | simoneDeBeauvoir | Le personnel est politique |
| 15:52.44 | FredaStark | people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat |
| 15:52.49 | graceHopper | Bread and Roses |
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| 15:53.02 | enouf | waspius: since you're in a working Xfree86, I expect to see no EE (errors) or WW (warnings) .. didn't realize your full situation till after I asked for that .. but if and when you upgrade to Etch, you'll be using /var/log/Xorg.0.log (only Sarge uses /var/log/XFree86.log) .. remember also, *nix is case-sensitive |
| 15:53.11 | FredaStark | 2, 4, 6, 8 |
| 15:53.12 | FredaStark | who do we appreciate? |
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| 15:53.17 | simoneDeBeauvoir | simone de beauvoir |
| 15:53.19 | FredaStark | Susan B. Anthony |
| 15:53.22 | simoneDeBeauvoir | freda calo |
| 15:53.22 | graceHopper | mother jones |
| 15:53.24 | FredaStark | Aung San Suu Kyi |
| 15:53.26 | adaLovelace | Madonna |
| 15:53.26 | petemc | wtf |
| 15:53.28 | abrotman | don't you guys have anything better to do ? |
| 15:53.32 | simoneDeBeauvoir | porn star chicks |
| 15:53.32 | graceHopper | Assata Shakur |
| 15:53.32 | FredaStark | Claude Cahun |
| 15:53.35 | zrin | how can I find out what is causing high wait time ratio (98%) ? |
| 15:53.43 | simoneDeBeauvoir | virginia wolf |
| 15:53.45 | adaLovelace | Feminism is an entire world view or gestalt, not just a laundry list of women’s issues. |
| 15:53.45 | FredaStark | Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. |
| 15:53.47 | petemc | zrin: ps aux |grep D |
| 15:53.47 | enouf | waspius: correction --> (only Sarge uses /var/log/XFree86.0.log) |
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| 15:53.49 | abrotman | !ops simoneDeBeauvoir graceHopper FredaStark adaLovelace |
| 15:53.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: simoneDeBeauvoir graceHopper FredaStark adaLovelace |
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| 15:54.28 | zrin | root 95 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? D< Feb26 0:05 [kswapd0] |
| 15:54.28 | zrin | root 26989 5.1 10.2 7748 6228 pts/1 D+ 16:53 0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg |
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| 15:54.46 | zrin | petemc: what does it tell? |
| 15:54.54 | petemc | zrin: processes in disk wait |
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| 15:55.24 | zrin | petemc: do the two lines explain 98% wait time as shown by top and vmstat? |
| 15:55.40 | petemc | not really |
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| 15:55.50 | waspius | ok i have opened irssi but how do i connect to debian?and how can i close irssi when i dont want it? |
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| 15:56.01 | fsmunoz | Eheh... women issues.... laundry list.... |
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| 15:56.07 | abrotman | waspius: /server irc.freenode.net |
| 15:56.18 | sistero_ | Everybody loves you when they are about to cum. |
| 15:56.22 | Ronin | ssdd in #debian i see |
| 15:56.31 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:57.12 | fsmunoz | waspius: then /j #debian . To quit, /quit |
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| 15:57.45 | abrotman | waspius_: see how easy that is! |
| 15:57.47 | waspius | thanx |
| 15:57.57 | waspius_ | ok so it works |
| 15:58.03 | waspius | nice |
| 15:58.04 | zrin | any other hint about what could be causing 98-99% wait time? uptime is 9 days and the problem started about 20h ago :( |
| 15:58.53 | enouf | stony: seen ? /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 15:58.55 | RvGaTe | Where can i enable/disable modules? it seems that i have modules being loaded from old applications wich i never use anymore, i would like to disable those modules... how would i do this ? |
| 15:58.56 | zrin | especially starting new processes lasts ages |
| 15:59.40 | bony | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.44 | jelly-home | zrin: D state, huh? Do you have swapping? |
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| 16:00.10 | zrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.20 | zrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.52 | zrin | here 97% ... si/so is zero all the time |
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| 16:03.01 | abrotman | zrin: someone at the front of the line just can't make up their mind :) |
| 16:03.17 | jelly-home | zrin: hm, anything funny in dmesg/kern.log? |
| 16:03.35 | abrotman | zrin: is it a raid box ? |
| 16:03.43 | zrin | abrotman: yes, software raid1 |
| 16:03.54 | abrotman | zrin: and the raid is healthy ? |
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| 16:04.36 | zrin | abrotman: yes, healthy |
| 16:04.57 | enouf | RvGaTe: if they are modules, then /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 16:05.33 | enouf | RvGaTe: if they are rolled into your initrd, then you'll have to rebuild it .. |
| 16:05.34 | zrin | abrotman: SMART info looks ok as well |
| 16:05.54 | RvGaTe | enouf, thx, ill look into it |
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| 16:06.10 | abrotman | zrin: just thought it might be something to check |
| 16:06.39 | wols | RvGaTe: look int /etc/modules |
| 16:06.56 | wols | RvGaTe: other things that load them are hotplug and udev |
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| 16:07.27 | wols | !tell RvGaTe about blacklist |
| 16:07.34 | jelly-home | zrin: how does hdparm -t perform? |
| 16:07.39 | un1xer | hi |
| 16:07.56 | RvGaTe | wols, yo just told me exactly the same as enouf :P hehe |
| 16:07.58 | jelly-home | zrin: on the raid1, and on both/all underlying devices |
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| 16:09.16 | enouf | bonehead try grub-install /dev/hda |
| 16:10.03 | enouf | ^^ twas meant for bony who's gone |
| 16:10.08 | zrin | abrotman: I've observed high wait times on a completely different system with hardware RAID - there it helped to restart samba; this one is a simple router/gateway box ... |
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| 16:10.19 | abrotman | i blame samba |
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| 16:10.44 | zrin | ... yes, but this one does not have samba :/ |
| 16:10.47 | abrotman | i blame samba |
| 16:10.48 | abrotman | :) |
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| 16:10.53 | jelly-home | zrin: also, you have rather low free/buff/cache values, but it might be normal for that machine if it has say 64MB RAM :-) |
| 16:11.09 | abrotman | zrin: i assume rebooting it would fix it .. but you're trying to avoid this ? |
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| 16:11.25 | zrin | jelly-home: yes, it is a small box, just a router |
| 16:11.39 | jelly-home | zrin: what happens if you kill -STOP that dpkg process? |
| 16:11.59 | abrotman | there's a dpkg process ? |
| 16:12.14 | abrotman | oh ... i see |
| 16:12.22 | abrotman | ps ef | grep dpkg |
| 16:12.25 | zrin | jelly-home: I started update despite of the state of the system (before rebooting) |
| 16:12.35 | enouf | hehe .. I issued an mtrr comand (earlier) that cinched my machine up tighter than a billygoats backend after seeing Guerin approaching .. |
| 16:12.39 | zrin | the problem was there before |
| 16:12.42 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 16:12.44 | jelly-home | zrin: ah, so it was a previous condition |
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| 16:13.01 | abrotman | top shows nothing abnormal ? |
| 16:13.25 | zrin | jelly-home: yes, I also think rebooting will fix it |
| 16:13.50 | abrotman | iostat! |
| 16:13.52 | enouf | zrin: wanna try some other utils? |
| 16:14.00 | zrin | enouf: sure |
| 16:14.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: compare Solaris' iostat. Linux's sucks. |
| 16:14.38 | enouf | zrin: http://koltsoff.com/pub/meminfo/ and http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures |
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| 16:14.53 | zrin | when a process has started it gets enough cpu time, just starting lasts long - more than 5s |
| 16:14.59 | enouf | zrin: courtesy of czr in ##kernel :-) |
| 16:15.10 | jelly-home | zrin: iostat -x 1, for example, will show which partition is waited the most, which might indicate the cause |
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| 16:15.56 | zrin | jelly-home: I have to install iostat first, that is going to last some time |
| 16:15.57 | abrotman | there's also mpstat |
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| 16:16.08 | abrotman | it's in the sysstat package |
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| 16:16.12 | petemc | echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump && tail -f /var/log/debug | grep -Ev '(kjournald|pdflush|syslogd)' |
| 16:16.16 | jelly-home | zrin: hm, install it somewhere else and just copy over the binary |
| 16:16.31 | abrotman | though mpstat isn't much better than top etc |
| 16:18.00 | jelly-home | petemc: that's nice. Know when /proc/sys/vm/block_dump was introduced? |
| 16:18.01 | fasta | I have a newer version of the nvidia driver installed. How can I remove it, s.t. X doesn't use it? And subsequently, I want X to use the Debian version of the nvidia module. |
| 16:18.11 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:18.11 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 16:18.23 | fasta | abrotman: THat's what I did |
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| 16:18.36 | petemc | jelly-home: not off hand, no |
| 16:18.40 | jelly-home | atop requires a kernel patch, and doesn't really help much if processes are _waiting_ and not reading or writing |
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| 16:18.55 | jelly-home | petemc: of course, man proc knows nothing about it |
| 16:18.58 | imgrey | Good day #debian |
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| 16:19.40 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
| 16:19.57 | abrotman | jelly-home: it installs and runs just fine |
| 16:20.00 | imgrey | why do lintian shows "manpage-in-wrong-directory" error when package in section games and have man page in section 6 ? |
| 16:20.02 | petemc | you cant cook a raw spud in the microwave! |
| 16:20.11 | Ronin | petemc: sure you can |
| 16:20.11 | perlmonkey | you can! :P |
| 16:20.18 | petemc | urgh |
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| 16:20.35 | wols | you can even eat them if you want.raw |
| 16:20.39 | abrotman | imgrey: might want to ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:20.41 | apokryphos | how can you get a little more output on what fetchmail is doing? /var/log/fetchmail isn't very useful |
| 16:20.44 | perlmonkey | yummy |
| 16:21.01 | perlmonkey | spuds have also been known to power the odd computer or two |
| 16:21.32 | fasta | Where's the nvidia driver installed in X? |
| 16:21.39 | zrin | jelly-home: I see blocks being written to md0 and hda1, hdc1 ... WRITE block 1959680 on hda1; WRITE block 1959680 on hdc1 - this appears frequently |
| 16:21.45 | sdive | Hi, I have run into some problems with Rsync. I need to backup my debian box to a windows xp box. I have created a user on debian with read perms and now the next step is to connect from xp to debian through cygwin, but I just don't know how. any gurus on this matter? :) thx |
| 16:22.02 | jelly-home | abrotman: and shows nothing much unless the patch is there |
| 16:22.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: shows it here |
| 16:22.13 | un1xer | hi every one! |
| 16:22.23 | abrotman | quite a lot of stuff actually |
| 16:22.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: well, it was almost useless for me, no extra information that vmstat/iostat/top couldn't give |
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| 16:23.05 | zrin | sdive: ssh(d), rsync(d), smbclient, nfs |
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| 16:23.58 | abrotman | jelly-home: your box is broken :) |
| 16:24.24 | sdive | zrin, do I really need smbclient? |
| 16:24.40 | zrin | sdive: no, you have other options |
| 16:24.47 | abrotman | nfs on windows! |
| 16:26.00 | un1xer | Hi every one! :) |
| 16:26.09 | abrotman | we saw you |
| 16:26.10 | sdive | zrin, what about installing backupPC? do you recommend that? |
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| 16:27.32 | zrin | sdive: I don't know backupPC ... you want to backup your linux box, is that so? |
| 16:27.38 | un1xer | I'm using Debian 4.0 Etch! Can i please ask a question? |
| 16:27.46 | Ronin | !tell un1xer about ask |
| 16:28.15 | sdive | zrin, yes, correct |
| 16:28.30 | enouf | jelly-home: there's atleast a paragraph about it here : /Documentation/laptop-mode.txt |
| 16:29.15 | un1xer | Opps! sorry about that, its my first time here and i what to as correct as i can be! :) |
| 16:29.18 | zrin | sdive: and you want to just have a copy of your data and synchronize it regulary? or a backup of the whole linux box? |
| 16:29.20 | Ronin | :) |
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| 16:29.34 | sdive | zrin, the whole. can I PM you? |
| 16:29.53 | zrin | sdive: wait a moment, I'll give you some links |
| 16:30.00 | sdive | zrin, alright. thanks |
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| 16:31.35 | ber | does anyone here know where mailman stores its data on Debian? |
| 16:31.53 | zrin | sdive: for rsync backups: http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
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| 16:32.10 | jelly-home | sdive: FWIW, I tried partimage for a while and it worked. |
| 16:32.22 | enouf | sdive: i have backuppc installed here, but haven't used it yet ;-) .. alos look at mondorescue.org (apt-cache search -n mondo), and check out rsync, tar, and many other utils ;-) |
| 16:32.36 | enouf | s/alos/also |
| 16:32.38 | un1xer | Here goes, what is the correct way to add a ntfs partition to fstab? |
| 16:33.08 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 16:33.08 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 16:33.12 | enouf | !tell un1xer -about ntfs-3g |
| 16:33.16 | zrin | sdive: but that is mor for data, i.e. home directories; for other parts just use tar; perhaps look for LVM snapshot as well |
| 16:33.22 | sdive | enouf, thx for the tip :) |
| 16:33.51 | enouf | sdive: no prob .. I've been scanning the mondo docs lately just to see what's there |
| 16:33.53 | zrin | jelly-home: sure it will... |
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| 16:34.20 | enouf | that is .. when I'm not busy doing 5000 other things .. ;-) |
| 16:34.47 | sdive | enouf, hehe okay. I know what it's like |
| 16:35.12 | un1xer | Thanks, i will try thant and also look on to ntfs-3g!:) |
| 16:35.16 | sdive | zrin, okay. never heard of it. it seems a bit advanced but I'll check it out |
| 16:35.23 | enouf | sdive: it'll serve you well inthe long run anyway to learn rsync/rdiff and friends |
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| 16:36.33 | jelly-home | enouf: thanks for the block_dump doc pointer |
| 16:36.54 | enouf | jelly-home: glad i could point ;-) |
| 16:36.54 | SHILPI | does nebody has experience with pgrouting on windows? |
| 16:37.09 | sdive | zrin, I need a guide where windows xp is also mentioned. so what are you recommending me to install on xp? |
| 16:37.31 | SHILPI | does nebody has experience with pgrouting on windows? |
| 16:37.36 | abrotman | on debian ? |
| 16:37.53 | jelly-home | SHILPI: um, this is #debian. Try #windows |
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| 16:38.24 | zrin | sdive: nothing, the simplest method is to use smbclient to copy your backup to the windows box |
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| 16:38.47 | SHILPI | well.....i know but i m desperate.i went 2 windows there i dont know wat.no1 replies 2 this query.also i m halfway through my college project now i cant shift 2 linux. |
| 16:39.02 | enouf | go away! |
| 16:39.05 | Ronin | SHILPI: do your own homework :) |
| 16:39.13 | SHILPI | never realised that routing would require building of soo many libraries |
| 16:39.31 | SHILPI | can i use cygwin? |
| 16:39.33 | zrin | sdive: make a (compressed) tar and copy it to the windows machine; or use smbmount to mount a win dir and then write to it |
| 16:39.35 | abrotman | ask them .. not us |
| 16:39.42 | jelly-home | SHILPI: I for one do not have a slightest idea what pgrouting might be |
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| 16:39.45 | crazy_penguin | Hello |
| 16:39.46 | abrotman | SHILPI: if your question isn't related to debian .. please go away |
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| 16:39.54 | abrotman | waspius: that's not debian |
| 16:39.59 | waspius | i know |
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| 16:40.12 | enouf | SHILPI: also try #networking, if that's the kind of routing you mean |
| 16:40.19 | waspius | during the installation i got erros saying allot of files were corrupt |
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| 16:40.45 | wols | why do you need an install? |
| 16:40.50 | wols | there is apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:40.53 | SHILPI | chalo theek hai bye!!! |
| 16:40.53 | waspius | the first one i got was in relation to debootstrap |
| 16:41.04 | sdive | zrin, isn't that I lot to do everytime. rsync also copies the changes and since the data keeps changing it gets irritating in the long run |
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| 16:41.10 | jelly-home | zrin: eh, tried that /proc/sys/vm/block_dump debug yet? |
| 16:41.13 | waspius | because we said i would do it from the etch cd |
| 16:41.23 | zrin | jelly-home: I see blocks being written to md0 and hda1, hdc1 ... WRITE block 1959680 on hda1; WRITE block 1959680 on hdc1 - this appears frequently |
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| 16:41.33 | jelly-home | zrin: which processes? |
| 16:41.36 | enouf | oh dear waspius .. tsk tsk |
| 16:41.48 | jelly-home | zrin: I mean, anything standing out? |
| 16:41.52 | waspius | so were the errors due to the cd?thus shall i try downloading again or is it something else? |
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| 16:42.17 | wols | waspius: WE certainly didn't say that. we all said to use apt-gte dist-upgrade |
| 16:42.22 | enouf | waspius: please please use a blank space after a . or , or ? .. etc |
| 16:42.26 | VXWorks | I have a SATA disk, how do I install debian? The installer says there is no media partition |
| 16:42.28 | zrin | jelly-home: md0_raid1 to hda1 and hdc1; kjournald to md0 |
| 16:42.29 | wols | debian users rarely if ever tell others to reinstall |
| 16:42.45 | wols | VXWorks: what sata controller? |
| 16:42.49 | enouf | how in the world does that ever happen ? |
| 16:42.54 | wols | VXWorks: and what kernel do you use? |
| 16:42.55 | jelly-home | zrin: so no real processes at all? a bit strange. |
| 16:43.19 | zrin | jelly-home: yes, few of the blocks get written to very often, I have no idea if this is usually so |
| 16:43.43 | VXWorks | wols: I dont know abou the controller, It's no my PC... how do I know it? |
| 16:43.48 | enouf | I mean almost everything else is grammatically correct, but this haunting BLANK SPACE issue creeps in (i see it here and there) |
| 16:43.58 | perlmonkey | enouf: whats up |
| 16:44.09 | noire | okay, libapache2-mod-php4 is broken on this sarge box, i cannot add/remove/update any packages regarding php4 or apache2... i'm a little stuck. any advice? |
| 16:44.10 | enouf | perlmonkey: read my last few comments |
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| 16:44.24 | sdive | zrin, I have to go. I'll try to figure it out or you will see me here again ;) |
| 16:44.25 | abrotman | noire: you can't remove them either ? |
| 16:44.27 | perlmonkey | oh yes |
| 16:44.27 | jelly-home | zrin: me neither, I've heard of it for the first time today. btw, the situation might improve a bit of you remount the partition with noatime option |
| 16:44.28 | zrin | jelly-home: writes to block 1959680 (hda1 and hdc1) happen every 2s |
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| 16:44.31 | wols | VXWorks: lspci -v |
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| 16:44.39 | jelly-home | zrin: always the same block? |
| 16:44.44 | noire | abrotman: no... always hangs on libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 16:44.55 | zrin | jelly-home: yes, among other writes |
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| 16:45.35 | abrotman | noire: strace it ? |
| 16:45.37 | enouf | perlmonkey: there must be some attaching/common denominator of where/how/why that can happen .. just really curious .. do gaelic writings omit blanks in between like that? or muslims or .. what? |
| 16:45.38 | noire | abrotman: i have to kill the /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-php4.postinst process to proceed with any aptitude function |
| 16:45.58 | abrotman | or put set -x at the top of the postinst |
| 16:45.59 | jelly-home | zrin: could be metadata, no idea. maybe try pastebinning a couple hundred lines so we can take our guesses ;-) |
| 16:46.11 | abrotman | noire: set -x at the top will show you the commands it is running |
| 16:46.17 | zrin | jelly-home: ok |
| 16:46.26 | enouf | s/writings/writers and speakers |
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| 16:47.03 | VXWorks | wols: I'm trying to install debian... lspci is a linux command |
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| 16:47.52 | jelly-home | zrin: it would be nice if you could figure out somehow if this block belonged to a file and which file :-| |
| 16:48.02 | wols | VXWorks: is debian not linux? well it isn't if you install debian/bsd, but I doubt you're doing that |
| 16:48.12 | wols | and debian has lspci on its CDs,even netinstall ones |
| 16:48.26 | wols | VXWorks: press ctrl+alt f2 |
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| 16:50.51 | waspius | ok so i downloaded the image again..i hope this one works... |
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| 16:51.09 | enouf | abrotman: would an echo 0 at the top of the postinst help noire |
| 16:51.10 | enouf | ? |
| 16:51.34 | noire | abrotman: the strace on aptitude update goes crazy on the gettimeofday() function |
| 16:51.47 | Ronin | waspius: did you confirm the checksum before burnign? |
| 16:51.51 | Ronin | burning |
| 16:51.51 | noire | and does not stop... i have to kill it |
| 16:52.00 | waspius | i will now |
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| 16:53.28 | ManuP | why is k3b so slow?? it almost hangs if i navigate to a directory. |
| 16:53.32 | abrotman | noire: use the set -x thing |
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| 16:54.14 | noire | abrotman: could you explain further please..? |
| 16:54.24 | waspius | ok see u hopefully from etch |
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| 16:55.09 | zrin | jelly-home: it still can be a hard drive problem. recently I had WD2500YS drive which could not write faster than 5-8 MiB/s with no other symptoms |
| 16:55.32 | noire | abrotman: i don't understand what tool you are referring to |
| 16:55.40 | VXWorks | wols: lspci command not found |
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| 16:56.02 | wols | VXWorks: what installer/ISO do you use? |
| 16:56.08 | wols | uname -a |
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| 16:57.35 | zrin | jelly-home: ouch! / has no space left .... *blush* |
| 16:57.46 | jelly-home | zrin: pfft |
| 16:57.49 | ManuP | which permission does /dev/.static have normally? |
| 16:58.03 | jelly-home | zrin: well, at least you now know! :-) |
| 16:58.41 | VXWorks | wols: debian-31r5 netinst |
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| 16:59.07 | wols | VXWorks: what mainboard/SATA controller? |
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| 16:59.21 | wols | and definitely use linux26 for installing |
| 16:59.32 | abrotman | noire: moment |
| 16:59.40 | noire | abrotman: thank you |
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| 17:00.32 | abrotman | noire: in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagethat'sbroken>.postinst .. put a set -x as the second line (after the shebang) |
| 17:01.38 | VXWorks | wols: im using linux26 to install... but I have no ideia about what SATA controller it is... I'm try to install debian on a PC in my college |
| 17:01.54 | wols | VXWorks: then find out. it will tell you in lots of places |
| 17:01.59 | wols | what CPU is it? |
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| 17:03.05 | noire | abrotman: i understand now... but there are multiple files... which is the most pertinent? postrm prerm postinst? |
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| 17:03.50 | wols | noire: he told you which file how often by now? do you read? |
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| 17:05.03 | fasta | When I run glxgears it core dumps (just like every other application that uses 3d) with the Debian nvidia driver. Is there a simple way to do a "clean" reinstallation? |
| 17:05.04 | exobyte | xmlwf is telling me an xml file has an invalid token (an unescaped &). It's right, but is there a way I can process the file and get a well-formed "best guess" of what it should be? |
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| 17:05.20 | noire | wols: right, postinst thanks |
| 17:05.27 | abrotman | noire: the postinst |
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| 17:05.43 | fasta | exobyte: the right solution is to bother the person who made the xml file. |
| 17:06.12 | VXWorks | wols: it is a P4 |
| 17:06.13 | wols | fasta: purge it |
| 17:06.22 | fasta | wols: puge what specifically? |
| 17:06.25 | fasta | wols: purge |
| 17:06.31 | wols | VXWorks: if it's a recent P4, I'd use etch |
| 17:06.34 | fasta | wols: there are lots of related nvidia packages |
| 17:06.40 | fasta | wols: did you mean nvidia-glx? |
| 17:06.43 | wols | fasta: dpkg -l nvidia |
| 17:06.45 | exobyte | fasta: yeah, well word is kevin rose is a prick |
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| 17:07.22 | fasta | wols: that would be dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 17:07.24 | fasta | wols: ;) |
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| 17:08.47 | noire | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5593 |
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| 17:11.29 | fasta | When I open a webpage with Windows, it starts streaming the asx stream immediately. Is there also something for Linux that does that? |
| 17:12.28 | wols | mplayer plugins for moz maybe? |
| 17:12.36 | fasta | wols: no, not in this case |
| 17:12.48 | fasta | wols: works for wmv most of the time, though |
| 17:13.05 | fasta | wols: I already solved it manually, but I had to boot Windows to get the right URL |
| 17:13.09 | wols | does it work in windows with ffox? |
| 17:13.17 | fasta | wols: yes |
| 17:13.44 | fasta | wols: when I finally got the right URL, it worked right away in mplayer (via command line) |
| 17:14.01 | fasta | wols: but I was unsuccessfull in getting the url on Linux. |
| 17:14.02 | VXWorks | wols: sorry, what is etch? |
| 17:14.06 | fasta | !etch |
| 17:14.07 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 17:14.28 | perlmonkey | phew |
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| 17:14.38 | perlmonkey | what time is it |
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| 17:14.48 | fasta | perlmonkey: where? |
| 17:14.50 | fasta | :) |
| 17:14.54 | perlmonkey | gmt |
| 17:14.56 | Ronin | perlmonkey: you dont own a watch/clock? |
| 17:15.06 | fasta | $ date |
| 17:15.19 | perlmonkey | i own an early 20th century clock but it needs winding |
| 17:15.27 | perlmonkey | not running at moment |
| 17:15.42 | wols | VXWorks: another choice is |
| 17:15.48 | wols | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 17:15.48 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.20 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 17:16.05 | wols | 17:16GMT |
| 17:16.06 | perlmonkey | my shell says 18.04 |
| 17:16.17 | perlmonkey | yet my PC says 17.04 |
| 17:16.23 | perlmonkey | not sure which is right |
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| 17:16.36 | perlmonkey | wols: thanks |
| 17:16.39 | wols | apt-gte install ntpdate; sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 17:16.46 | perlmonkey | has someone altered time? |
| 17:17.05 | perlmonkey | i noticed you have Daylight Savings in the topic today |
| 17:17.26 | wols | US has a change in DST handling this year cause they're stupid |
| 17:17.38 | perlmonkey | aha |
| 17:17.55 | VXWorks | ok wols, thanks! |
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| 17:18.18 | perlmonkey | does anyone know the command to set the time on server |
| 17:18.41 | wols | I just told you |
| 17:18.50 | perlmonkey | date? |
| 17:19.03 | wols | read |
| 17:19.58 | perlmonkey | yay I did it |
| 17:20.01 | perlmonkey | date -s |
| 17:20.09 | wols | use ntpdate |
| 17:20.14 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 17:20.17 | wols | and change you hardware clock too |
| 17:20.26 | perlmonkey | i dunno what that means |
| 17:20.44 | wols | what means? |
| 17:20.52 | perlmonkey | hardware clock |
| 17:21.06 | wols | the clock inside the CMOS chip on your mobo |
| 17:21.16 | wols | the clock which needs that battery on mobo |
| 17:21.26 | perlmonkey | oh, I thought that was set by date -s |
| 17:22.21 | wols | linux, as every OS, has a system clock and a hardware clock |
| 17:22.27 | noire | abrotman: repost - http://channels.debian.net/paste/5593 |
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| 17:24.55 | ChaosR | maybe this question does not belong here, but anyways: is there a way to check the currunt power usage of a PC running debian |
| 17:24.55 | perlmonkey | I don't bother with all that |
| 17:25.20 | exobyte | is there a way to get sed to replace sometihng on a given line and column? my guess is it would look like: s/<code>/change/ |
| 17:25.30 | SimonW | If I'm using the default Debian Apache 2 setup (in /etc/apache2) what's the sanest way of running another instance of Apache ? |
| 17:25.41 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 17:26.02 | wols | ChaosR: yes. buy a multimeter |
| 17:27.29 | ChaosR | wols: only one problem, the PC mentioned has an uptime of 300 days, and I can't connect the multimeter without shutting it down (although, I can brute force it, but that would cause damage to the power supply cable) |
| 17:28.16 | wols | SimonW: the only way to see power usage is an amp-meter. your PC doesn't have such a device built in. no PC does |
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| 17:28.36 | ChaosR | wols: wrong person ;) |
| 17:28.48 | sepski | SimonW, why another instance ? can't you use a sitefile or make the instance running listen on more ports if needed ? |
| 17:28.49 | wols | SimonW: look into vhosts |
| 17:29.12 | SimonW | I want to run PHP and mod_python on the same server |
| 17:29.26 | wols | SimonW: and why doesn't that work? |
| 17:29.36 | SimonW | and I've heard horror stories about the PHP C libraries colliding with mod_python's, and breaking things like mysql and md5 |
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| 17:29.55 | SimonW | so I'd like to isolate PHP on its own server |
| 17:30.01 | wols | of course you could run two instances of apache, but then the 2nd instance always had to be accessed via http://server:81 or such |
| 17:30.11 | SimonW | that's fine - I run them behind an nginx proxy |
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| 17:30.35 | wols | so then run a 2nd apache and use different config file(s) |
| 17:30.39 | SimonW | I'm wondering what the best way to run a new Apache instance is - all of the /etc/apache2 stuff seems to assume you only want to run one instance |
| 17:30.47 | sepski | SimonW, run one in a chroot |
| 17:31.06 | SimonW | so I could just set up my own /etc/other-apache2/ ? |
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| 17:31.20 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 17:31.23 | ChaosR | yes, this is linux, not windows ;) |
| 17:31.24 | sepski | read about chroot |
| 17:31.36 | SimonW | OK - never used chroot before but I'll take a look at it |
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| 17:31.48 | SimonW | is that a Debian feature or an Apache configuration thing? |
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| 17:31.52 | dajudge | hey all |
| 17:31.53 | sepski | or just run a whole virtual server, on xen wemu or vmware :) |
| 17:32.00 | wols | SimonW: what feature? |
| 17:32.07 | SimonW | I'm already on a VPS |
| 17:32.13 | SimonW | wols: chroot |
| 17:32.19 | wols | it's a linux feature |
| 17:32.24 | SimonW | man chroot - never mind :) |
| 17:32.29 | dajudge | how do i set the volume setup for alsa to _not_ startup muted? (debian etch, gnome) |
| 17:32.45 | SimonW | seems like overkill for my apache problem though |
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| 17:33.13 | SimonW | I think I'll just set up my own /etc/other-apache2 and see how that works out |
| 17:33.16 | SimonW | thanks for the advice |
| 17:33.38 | sepski | SimonW, keep in mind to make a new /etc/init.d/apache2 file that points to this new config dir |
| 17:33.47 | ChaosR | SimonW: if I'm correct, you should just be able to do apache2 -f config_file |
| 17:33.48 | sepski | or modify the one there to start both instances |
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| 17:34.15 | ChaosR | SimonW: but it's just a guess |
| 17:34.25 | SimonW | thanks, I'll give that a shot |
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| 17:34.54 | HymnToLife | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9262/ <= in my dmesg, I get this, it this something I should worry about ? yes, I'm running Debian, not Ubuntu ! |
| 17:35.16 | sdive | I'm trying to find a backup solution to backup Debian to Windows XP. I decided for Rsync through a SSH tunnel but I can't find too much help on this matter. How do I set it up and there does the daemon have to run? |
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| 17:35.29 | sepski | sdive, unison |
| 17:35.31 | wols | HymnToLife: no |
| 17:35.46 | wols | HymnToLife: lmsensors/smbus stuff |
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| 17:36.15 | wols | or maybe videocard (at 1:00.0) |
| 17:36.25 | sdive | sepski, what about rsync? |
| 17:36.27 | sepski | sdive, if you use ssh you dont need the daemon running at all |
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| 17:37.11 | sepski | sdive, rsync works too, there is a cwrsync (cygwin+rsync) for windows. but unison does the same with native win32 executeables |
| 17:37.11 | HymnToLife | wols, thanks :) |
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| 17:37.29 | sdive | sepski, alright. so I just have to install rsync on debian and connect from unison in windows? |
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| 17:37.39 | sepski | there is a unison package in debian |
| 17:38.03 | sepski | read it's description |
| 17:38.21 | sdive | sepski, so I need to install unison on both debian and windows in order to synchronise them? |
| 17:38.45 | sepski | if you want to sync them using unison yes |
| 17:38.59 | sepski | or you can run rsync deamon on windows and rsync from linux. |
| 17:39.07 | dajudge | anyone on the volume thing? |
| 17:39.13 | sepski | or you can pull backlups from windows with ssh+rsync |
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| 17:39.39 | sdive | sepski, I'll try the unison program. Is it alright if I PM you? |
| 17:39.40 | sepski | but unison is most stright forward |
| 17:39.56 | sepski | sdive, wont help since my attention wanders jsut ask the channel |
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| 17:40.27 | sdive | sepski, alright. would be nice with some step-by-step guidance though :) |
| 17:40.35 | sdive | sepski, I'll try it out |
| 17:40.43 | x_link | How do I know which xorg.conf I use? |
| 17:40.53 | sepski | sdive, google a howto |
| 17:41.06 | sepski | http://blog.kowalczyk.info/articles/usingUnison.html |
| 17:41.17 | wols | x_link: X logs perhaps? |
| 17:41.23 | intruder | is vmware-player supposed to be in the repositories ? |
| 17:41.25 | wols | usually you use /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:41.35 | x_link | wols: Ok |
| 17:41.38 | wols | intruder: no. it's not DFSG compliant |
| 17:41.50 | sdive | sepski, okay thx |
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| 17:42.29 | x_link | wols: Version 1.0 . |
| 17:42.39 | x_link | Hrm I heard some guys talking about xorg 7.0 |
| 17:42.40 | wols | x_link: hm? |
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| 17:42.51 | wols | what about xorg 7.0? |
| 17:43.02 | wols | 7.0 is currently not in debian. it's 7.1 |
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| 17:43.35 | x_link | wols: It seems like I'm using 1.0 |
| 17:43.39 | x_link | Or maybe I looked at the wrong numbers |
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| 17:44.23 | wols | there is no xorg 1.0, there never was xorg 1.0 |
| 17:44.28 | x_link | wols: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9265/ That's my xorg.conf |
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| 17:44.41 | x_link | OK... then I I looked at the wrong number. |
| 17:44.53 | justin | x_link: read the X log in /var/log/ |
| 17:44.55 | wols | nvidia-xconfig: version 1.0 |
| 17:45.03 | wols | the nvidia tool is version 1.0 |
| 17:45.06 | wols | read more carefully |
| 17:45.09 | x_link | ahh ok |
| 17:45.35 | x_link | X Window System Version 7.1.1 |
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| 17:46.14 | simonrvn | !tell FenrirReturns -about root |
| 17:46.20 | Meekus | I have a linux lab with about 20 machines running sarge 3.1... not patched for DST (shows libc6 version 2.3.2.ds1-22). How do I just update the one package to fix for DST? |
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| 17:46.52 | wols | Meekus: you apt-get upgrade |
| 17:47.04 | abrotman | noire: ? |
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| 17:47.14 | wols | cause when you run sarge you want to update properly to get all recent security fixes |
| 17:47.25 | noire | abrotman: still working on it |
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| 17:47.34 | noire | my PM was just to thank you |
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| 17:47.42 | Meekus | wols: any way to just apt-get the one package? The machines have a ton of stuff that I am afraid of breaking.. its a lab environment |
| 17:47.57 | wols | learn to read the topic |
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| 17:48.58 | jkonami | hey guys - I have a 1u here with a raid controller in it - the debian installer disc isn't finding the hard disks so I can't proceed with the install |
| 17:48.58 | sepski | Meekus, installing pacakges from security.debian.org should be safe |
| 17:48.58 | abrotman | sarge or etch ? |
| 17:48.58 | karsten | !tell jkonami about chroot install |
| 17:48.58 | wols | !tell jkonami about sarge 2.6.20 |
| 17:48.59 | sepski | jkonami, sarge tried both 2.4 and 2.6 ? |
| 17:48.59 | karsten | jkonami: If you can boot _any_ Linux variant, you can get Debian on there. Appendix C4 of the install manual. |
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| 17:49.01 | wols | Meekus: not to mentin it fixes actual bugs and patches possible exploits |
| 17:49.07 | karsten | jkonami: Eg: boot Knoppix. Run debootstrap. |
| 17:49.07 | sdive | sepski, when I try to double click the unizon binary in windows it says that it could not be started because libgdk-win32-2.0.0.dll wasn't found |
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| 17:49.16 | jkonami | I have tried booting with linux26 from the boot menu, no go |
| 17:49.22 | jkonami | it's an adaptec of some sort |
| 17:49.24 | Meekus | kk - ty kindly. I'll give a shot. wish me luck =P |
| 17:49.29 | wols | sdive: you need gtk for windows, but this is OT |
| 17:49.38 | PaSurf | jkonami: type of server? |
| 17:50.08 | jkonami | PaSurf: it's a padovatech, I guess |
| 17:50.12 | karsten | jkonami: Alternatively, look up your HW in an HCL and see if it's supported. If not, RMA to vendor and get supported HW. |
| 17:50.15 | karsten | !RMA |
| 17:50.15 | dpkg | well, rma is Return Materials Authorisation, or the process you go through when you want to return a dead part to a manufacturer in exchange for a new one |
| 17:50.24 | sepski | sdive, the link to that is on the unison download page http://alan.petitepomme.net/projets/unison/index.html |
| 17:50.25 | sparrw | is there any way to change debconf from the console view to the ncurses view mid-update? |
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| 17:50.35 | sepski | where it also states that it's a requirement |
| 17:50.54 | jkonami | how do I go about finding out which debian installer I have? it's from about mid december of last year |
| 17:51.08 | sdive | sepski, my bad. I didn't download from there |
| 17:51.12 | wols | jkonami: we cannot know what you downloaded |
| 17:51.35 | jkonami | of course not, but is there a way to tell off the disc? say I switch to a console |
| 17:51.53 | karsten | jkonami: Check the root filesystem of the install disk for a version string. |
| 17:51.53 | jetscreamer | maybe you can pop it in and look at the index.html |
| 17:51.59 | wols | sparrw: ctrl+c, dpkg-reconfigure debconfig, then upgrade again? |
| 17:52.07 | jetscreamer | better yet, look at the label of the disc |
| 17:52.16 | abrotman | noire: your what ? |
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| 17:52.30 | wols | CD-Rs rarely have such labels |
| 17:52.39 | wols | unless he wrote it down himself which he obviously did not |
| 17:52.49 | waspius | abrotman: well here i am |
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| 17:52.51 | jetscreamer | no i mean like the volume label.. the nightlies all have the date |
| 17:52.54 | waspius | everything went fine |
| 17:53.01 | waspius | thanx allot guys |
| 17:53.01 | abrotman | waspius: good .. everything is okay now ? |
| 17:53.05 | abrotman | alot! |
| 17:53.10 | waspius | sorry |
| 17:53.13 | hark | !alot |
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| 17:53.13 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 17:53.18 | wols | waspius: you will need a 3D capable driver for beryl tho |
| 17:53.18 | abrotman | erm .. a lot :) |
| 17:53.32 | jetscreamer | allot |
| 17:53.37 | jkonami | ok, Linux 3.1 r4 "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD |
| 17:54.47 | jkonami | is that old? |
| 17:54.48 | jkonami | it |
| 17:54.48 | jkonami | it's pretty recentish - no? |
| 17:54.48 | waspius | wols: so what do i do now? |
| 17:54.48 | wols | jkonami: about 1.5 years old |
| 17:54.48 | Kvant | yeah, r5 is latest |
| 17:54.49 | wols | kernel 2.6.8 |
| 17:54.49 | noire | abrotman: apache2 will not start/stop/reload and libapache2-mod-php4 seems broken: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5593 |
| 17:54.49 | Ronin | jkonami: pretty recent, theyra at r5 now |
| 17:54.49 | wols | waspius: find out what driver you need. it's either radeon or fglrx from ati |
| 17:54.49 | enouf | don't make me pull out my buddy noone gun dpkg |
| 17:54.49 | hesco | I want an alsa enabled 2.6 kernel for an old K6 processor. Which kernel image would I want to use? I can't find anything specific to my processor. Will the 686 work, or do I want to play it safe with a 386 kernel? |
| 17:54.50 | waspius | wols: where do i check? |
| 17:54.50 | corpcomp | I have successfully done the "ISP-style Email Service with Debian-Sarge and Postfix 2.1" form workaround.org. I have googled but can't find. Is there a web front end or some kind of user management tool for this install?? |
| 17:54.50 | abrotman | noire: where's the set -x ? |
| 17:54.50 | wols | waspius: google, HCL for linux, et |
| 17:54.51 | wols | etc |
| 17:55.00 | Kvant | jkonami, and if you install r4 you can just upgrade after install and you'll be up to date |
| 17:55.08 | abrotman | noire: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-php4.postinfo |
| 17:55.12 | wols | corpcomp: imho no, but best ask postfix. author of that howto is in there (chris) usually |
| 17:55.19 | h3sp4wn | hesco: afaik k6 doesn't support everything that is required for 686 |
| 17:55.26 | abrotman | it does not |
| 17:55.32 | corpcomp | ty |
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| 17:55.42 | sepski | hesco, a 386 or 486(etch) |
| 17:55.44 | waspius | ok thanx |
| 17:55.44 | enouf | jkonami: you maybe could check your install log .. more |
| 17:55.55 | jkonami | I'm just stuck getting it to recognize my hard drive |
| 17:55.58 | abrotman | waspius: which card do you have ? |
| 17:56.07 | noire | abrotman: that appears to be my problem... the file is not there |
| 17:56.35 | jkonami | I checked dmesg output to see if I could find it - the bios says it's an adaptec |
| 17:56.35 | jkonami | and that it's embedded |
| 17:56.35 | waspius | abrotman: ati radeon 345m |
| 17:56.36 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 17:56.38 | noire | abrotman: restoring the file takes a while |
| 17:56.44 | abrotman | noire: hold up |
| 17:56.50 | noire | holding |
| 17:57.02 | enouf | jkonami: as root do grep "GNU" /var/log/debian-installer/syslog |
| 17:57.03 | abrotman | noire: apt-get clean && apt-get --reinstall install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 17:57.05 | wols | jkonami: lspci |
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| 17:57.31 | hesco | h3sp4wn and sepski: thanks. I'll play it safe then. |
| 17:57.50 | wij32 | what file do i need to modify to add more places for apt-get, im trying to get things i know are there but it wont find them? |
| 17:57.58 | enouf | jkonami: if you're tring to install .. dump that disk .. grab a new daily |
| 17:58.00 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:58.13 | wij32 | ok, where do i find out what the sources are? is there a list? |
| 17:58.27 | wols | wij32: what version of debian? |
| 17:58.30 | wij32 | etch |
| 17:58.35 | wols | !mirrors |
| 17:58.35 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 17:59.02 | wij32 | will they work with etch? |
| 17:59.09 | noire | abrotman: same error you see on the pastebin |
| 17:59.20 | wols | wij32: have you read what dpkg wrote? |
| 17:59.21 | abrotman | noire: and there's still no postinst file ? |
| 17:59.35 | wij32 | yes, but that says for sarge |
| 17:59.40 | abrotman | noire: let me get the package .. i didn't have this problem when i did it |
| 17:59.48 | wols | there is this little word "or" |
| 17:59.52 | jkonami | enouf: I'm stuck with this one |
| 17:59.54 | wij32 | ok |
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| 18:00.07 | wols | noire: look inside the deb, check for a postinst file. you can unpack it with dpkg -x |
| 18:00.27 | wols | jkonami: if you must use sarge, use the 2.6.20 sarge installer |
| 18:00.36 | wols | jkonami: check HCL |
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| 18:00.53 | jkonami | wols: I stil don't know exactly what my hw is :) |
| 18:00.57 | abrotman | noire: paste the contents of `ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-php4*` please |
| 18:01.10 | jkonami | and lspci isn't available off the installer disc |
| 18:01.16 | abrotman | it is in etch! |
| 18:01.17 | jetscreamer | hwinfo ? |
| 18:01.21 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 18:01.23 | noire | abrotman: postinst is there |
| 18:01.33 | jetscreamer | btw use etch netinstall |
| 18:01.34 | wols | jkonami: I told you to use lspci |
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| 18:01.49 | abrotman | noire: so put the set -x at the top .. might have to comment out the set -e |
| 18:01.50 | jkonami | wols: I don't have lspci |
| 18:01.56 | wols | jkonami: if all else fails, run knoppix and check |
| 18:02.24 | sparrw | hark: alot is just as much of a word as alittle |
| 18:02.24 | wij32 | how do i update my list of packages available? apt-get update? |
| 18:02.43 | dkr | yes |
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| 18:02.55 | elshaa | hi again. |
| 18:03.03 | enouf | jkonami: well .. fwiw .. this is the output; |
| 18:03.04 | enouf | May 1 03:15:46 cdrom-detect: Detected CD 'Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 (20051220)' |
| 18:03.10 | abrotman | !why is initrd-tools not in testing |
| 18:03.10 | dpkg | initrd-tools is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=initrd-tools |
| 18:03.14 | jetscreamer | oh lookee a date |
| 18:03.32 | jetscreamer | 12/20/2005 |
| 18:03.45 | enouf | !info initramfs-tools etch |
| 18:03.50 | dpkg | initramfs-tools: (tools for generating an initramfs), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.85e (etch), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 372 kB |
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| 18:04.22 | elshaa | any mutt user here ? I'm looking to zap the interactive process when sending an email from the cl, like "mutt -s "subject" guy@foo.com" |
| 18:04.43 | jelly-home | elshaa: pipe something to its stdin |
| 18:05.13 | jkonami | enouf: yeah, I saw that, I know which one it is now.. just gotta figure out what driver I need to make this work.. I don't have a burner available to me so I have to use what I have |
| 18:05.13 | jelly-home | elshaa: echo | mutt -s noninteractive foo@example.com |
| 18:05.20 | jkonami | I *do* have a usb thumb drive |
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| 18:05.50 | kdog | anyone have their clamav spewing errors about missing clamd.ctl? |
| 18:05.54 | jetscreamer | wht about that windows debian installer |
| 18:06.09 | waspius | !pastbin |
| 18:06.12 | enouf | goodbye-microsoft.com? |
| 18:06.15 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 18:06.23 | waspius | !pastebin |
| 18:06.23 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 18:06.25 | enouf | see www.goodbye-microsoft.com? |
| 18:06.25 | noire | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5594 |
| 18:06.26 | elshaa | jelly-home: great ! Thank yoU ! |
| 18:06.28 | jetscreamer | !tell waspius -about msg |
| 18:06.38 | enouf | drop the ? |
| 18:06.40 | jetscreamer | /msg bot msg |
| 18:06.59 | abrotman | noire: eh .. not quite |
| 18:07.21 | waspius | enouf: i got this but what exactly should i do ?http://channels.debian.net/paste/5595. |
| 18:07.29 | abrotman | noire: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5596 |
| 18:07.31 | enouf | well jkonami .. guess you could install/load the netinstaller on there and boot from it, or do some debootstrap thing, or grml.org or .. |
| 18:07.45 | enouf | waspius: stop using ubuntu ;-P |
| 18:07.47 | wols | waspius: radeon should be what you need. your debian should already come with it |
| 18:07.53 | wols | !tell waspius about drxx |
| 18:08.18 | x_link | enouf: Hi Mr. |
| 18:08.36 | waspius | wols: it did not tell me anything |
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| 18:09.01 | enouf | x_link: hola amigo |
| 18:09.07 | x_link | ;D |
| 18:09.10 | enouf | waspius: seen /msg dpkg laptop ? |
| 18:09.11 | wols | I don't believe you: 19:08 <dpkg> told waspius about drxx (To reco... |
| 18:09.16 | x_link | enouf: Ever used/tried qemu? |
| 18:09.24 | enouf | x_link: not yet .. |
| 18:09.31 | waspius | well no window has opened |
| 18:09.37 | enouf | x_link: grab kqemu .. it's gpl now |
| 18:09.39 | x_link | enouf: I don't know if I should try qemu or VMWare. |
| 18:09.45 | enouf | Qemu! |
| 18:09.46 | waspius | how do i check from konsole? |
| 18:09.49 | wols | waspius: then get a working irc client |
| 18:09.52 | x_link | enouf: ok |
| 18:09.57 | wols | waspius: run irssi |
| 18:10.05 | x_link | enouf: What's the difference between Qemu and Kqemu? |
| 18:10.13 | enouf | waspius: type this into your irc client --> /msg dpkg laptop ? |
| 18:10.15 | enouf | no? |
| 18:10.20 | wols | kqemue is a kernel module that helps qemu do its work faster |
| 18:10.21 | enouf | no ? mark |
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| 18:11.14 | enouf | waspius: what state or OS or X are you in right now? |
| 18:11.19 | waspius | enouf: i did but nothing happened..maybe because i am running it from terminal it will not sho up |
| 18:11.27 | enouf | waspius: which planetary system ;-P |
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| 18:11.33 | waspius | :( |
| 18:11.40 | x_link | So I need qemu + kqemu? |
| 18:11.44 | wols | waspius: what irc client are you running? |
| 18:11.45 | enouf | waspius: does this show up? |
| 18:11.46 | x_link | Or just apt-get install kqemu? |
| 18:11.49 | enouf | !laptop |
| 18:11.49 | dpkg | hmm... laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 18:11.54 | wols | x_link: you need only qemu but with kqemu it's faster |
| 18:11.55 | enouf | waspius: ^^^ |
| 18:12.10 | waspius | enouf: now i see it |
| 18:12.24 | x_link | wols: ok |
| 18:12.25 | h3sp4wn | x_link: kqemu is in non-free (sources) |
| 18:12.27 | bzed | x_link: if you want to run linux/bsd in it, you want to look into kvm |
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| 18:12.44 | x_link | bzed: I want to try Kubuntu. |
| 18:12.45 | enouf | h3sp4wn: ahh .. gpl, but in non-free ? |
| 18:12.46 | wols | bzed: doesn't that need VT? |
| 18:12.52 | x_link | h3sp4wn: I use contrib non-free |
| 18:13.02 | wols | x_link: then ask #kubuntu and not us |
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| 18:13.06 | bzed | wols: as far as I remember does x_link have an amd64 box which supports that |
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| 18:13.20 | bzed | x_link: do you have ubuntu installed? |
| 18:13.20 | h3sp4wn | enouf: I think the license only changed extremely recently |
| 18:13.30 | noire | abrotman: i had an error with update/upgrade, now i do not |
| 18:13.32 | x_link | bzed: No, I just use Debian Etch, like I always will |
| 18:13.40 | sepski | h3sp4wn, yes a week and a half ago ? |
| 18:13.40 | enouf | x_link: please man .. you know better than to ask about debian's mutant children in here.. |
| 18:13.46 | bzed | x_link: and how the hell do you want to try kubuntu then? |
| 18:13.50 | x_link | I'm not choosing Kubuntu cause I want to use it. Just want to try/learn Qemu. |
| 18:13.59 | abrotman | noire: okay .. so all is good ? |
| 18:14.06 | x_link | enouf: Sorry |
| 18:14.13 | enouf | h3sp4wn: it did .. maybe a month .. or a few weeks |
| 18:14.25 | noire | abrotman: apache2 and php is still broken |
| 18:14.36 | h3sp4wn | enouf: etch was frozen though so it wouldn't change would it ? |
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| 18:15.14 | waspius | !etch |
| 18:15.15 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 18:15.15 | abrotman | noire: same error ? |
| 18:15.24 | waspius | !beryl |
| 18:15.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
| 18:15.27 | bzed | btw, how well does qemu work if it's emulating a different platofrm, like qemu-sparc...? is it good enough to do test builds for debian packages in it? |
| 18:15.36 | enouf | h3sp4wn: hrmm .. well right .. but the person i told has got even some experimental repo stuff IINM |
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| 18:15.42 | noire | abrotman: a moment please |
| 18:16.09 | bzed | noire: uh? it works well |
| 18:16.10 | JordiGH | What's a good something for managing a C++ project? I'd like something that can take care of the Makefiles by itself as I add more header and code files. |
| 18:16.24 | wols | waspius: do you have hardware 3D accel working? you don't even want to _think_ about beryl before that |
| 18:16.25 | bzed | JordiGH: eclipse or anjuta |
| 18:16.28 | abrotman | JordiGH: ask #c++ |
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| 18:16.34 | peppe | JordiGH: eclipse, anjuta, kdevelop |
| 18:16.41 | JordiGH | abrotman: This isn't a C++ specific question. |
| 18:16.47 | wols | JordiGH: search for IDE. kdevelop, rawhide, etc |
| 18:16.52 | wols | eclipse |
| 18:16.54 | abrotman | it's not ? |
| 18:16.54 | waspius | wols: no..because i do not know what to do..i looked at the sites above but i do not understand |
| 18:17.04 | JordiGH | abrotman: The language is incidental. |
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| 18:17.13 | abrotman | JordiGH: does PHP have make files ? |
| 18:17.18 | pvf | no |
| 18:17.22 | abrotman | right .. thought so :) |
| 18:17.26 | wols | waspius: well, without hardware 3D accel, beryl will simply not work. so you're wasting your time with looking at sites for it |
| 18:17.27 | JordiGH | abrotman: Anything that has a compiler can have Makefiles. |
| 18:17.39 | abrotman | php has an interpreter! |
| 18:17.50 | abrotman | actually has a compiler too if you pay for it |
| 18:18.04 | wols | abrotman: well... there are special JIT compilers and obfuscators for php :P |
| 18:18.05 | JordiGH | Right, but I don't want a full IDE. Emacs is my IDE. ;-) I just want something to take care of cleaning up my Makefiles for me. |
| 18:18.19 | stew | JordiGH: emacs isn't a full IDE ? |
| 18:18.27 | enouf | JordiGH: seen cmake yet? dunno |
| 18:18.27 | abrotman | it's an OS! not an IDE |
| 18:18.33 | wols | stew: yes. it's an OS and lisp VM. so it |
| 18:18.35 | JordiGH | stew: Can Emacs do my Makefiles automatically? |
| 18:18.39 | wols | so it's a full machine :) |
| 18:18.46 | stew | !do JordiGH's makefiles |
| 18:19.04 | wols | dpkg to the rescue! |
| 18:19.05 | enouf | !bang JordiGH makefiles |
| 18:19.05 | JordiGH | Maybe I should learn how to use autotools... :-/ |
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| 18:19.28 | peppe | JordiGH: or maybe you should use a _true_ IDE :P |
| 18:19.35 | JordiGH | peppe: Emacs is an IDE. |
| 18:19.36 | stew | JordiGH: that's what i'd recommend, when adding new headers of c files to a autotooled project, you just have to add them to a list in the .am |
| 18:19.44 | enouf | well .. i guess !shoot or !hump woulda worked ;-P |
| 18:20.07 | JordiGH | stew: Alright, can you give me a recommendation of where to start reading about autotools? |
| 18:20.44 | hark | install autobook |
| 18:20.56 | enouf | !tell waspius -about grounding |
| 18:21.27 | JordiGH | autobook, thanks. In the non-free section, heh. |
| 18:21.29 | enouf | waspius: you have to start somewhere mate .. if you need help with docs and /msg the bot, well fix that! |
| 18:21.31 | peppe | JordiGH: since it does not take care of your makefiles it isn't a "true" IDE like the ones we suggested |
| 18:21.37 | wij32 | sorry, very noob question, ive downloaded a .deb file, how to i use this? |
| 18:21.38 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: cmake is easy to use (doesn't have the black magic autotools has though) |
| 18:21.46 | peppe | wij32: dpkg -i [debfile] |
| 18:21.51 | wij32 | thanks |
| 18:22.01 | JordiGH | peppe: I'll use any IDE as long as I can use Emacs-like keys on it, Emacs-like buffers, Emacs-like wiping and yanking, and Emacs-like syntax highlighting. |
| 18:22.25 | enouf | wij32: not in repos? |
| 18:22.42 | enouf | wij32: as a pkg/binary? |
| 18:22.56 | wij32 | i just did that ^ and it worked |
| 18:22.58 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: Cmake is something I'll eventually have to learn how to use too, but I think this is a good excuse to learn autotools, which I've been avoiding for some time. |
| 18:23.16 | enouf | wij32: that doesn't mean you know what you're doing :-P |
| 18:23.24 | wij32 | heh, i dont claim to |
| 18:23.29 | enouf | wij32: ofcourse it worked |
| 18:23.32 | JordiGH | peppe: There's probably some Emacs addon for dealing with Makefiles. |
| 18:23.45 | enouf | wij32: why not just apt-get install pkgname |
| 18:23.51 | wij32 | it wouldnt find it |
| 18:24.00 | enouf | find what wij32 ? |
| 18:24.02 | JordiGH | There is. |
| 18:24.03 | wij32 | john |
| 18:24.03 | JordiGH | !info ede |
| 18:24.10 | wols | wij32: and where did you find it then? |
| 18:24.10 | dpkg | ede: (File manager / Makefile generator for Emacsen), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:1.0pre3-6 (sid), Packaged size: 88 kB, Installed size: 448 kB |
| 18:24.15 | wij32 | went to the package website |
| 18:24.23 | enouf | find what wij32 ? |
| 18:24.36 | wij32 | john |
| 18:24.41 | enouf | pr0nview? .. it's ok |
| 18:24.53 | enouf | !jim |
| 18:24.53 | dpkg | jim is, like, jim |
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| 18:25.39 | enouf | gah .. having troub;e dealing with the b0z0 insurrection today ;-P |
| 18:26.11 | wols | !permasunday |
| 18:26.11 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 18:26.41 | noire | abrotmat: apache2 still refuses to start - http://channels.debian.net/paste/5597 |
| 18:26.53 | FuzzyB | Is there special things that need to be set for apt to work on non-x86 hardware? |
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| 18:27.02 | noire | abrotman: apache2 still refuses to start - http://channels.debian.net/paste/5597 |
| 18:27.05 | abrotman | noire: look in the error logs |
| 18:27.07 | enouf | let's perma stay for a while before issuing a !tardsday |
| 18:27.10 | abrotman | !tell rooter about root |
| 18:27.36 | noire | abrotman: the last entry is where I stopped it before the aptitude update |
| 18:28.08 | wols | FuzzyB: no |
| 18:28.08 | wols | all versions of debian use apt |
| 18:28.11 | abrotman | noire: check your apache error logs |
| 18:28.19 | wols | rather: all platforms |
| 18:28.31 | FuzzyB | wols: yes but apt are binary based, and x86 binaries are not going to work on alpha |
| 18:28.38 | simonrvn | duh |
| 18:28.59 | wols | FuzzyB: debin is available on 13 CPU architevtures or so. including alpha |
| 18:29.07 | FuzzyB | your missing what i'm saying |
| 18:29.13 | simonrvn | that's why there's alpha builds, and ppc, and sparc{32,64}, and ia64, and x86_64, and ... |
| 18:29.18 | wols | you don't have a clue about debian |
| 18:29.24 | FuzzyB | i'm saying is there a special repositary for alpha binaries |
| 18:29.29 | simonrvn | both endians of mips... |
| 18:29.29 | mirak | what is the amount of disc needed to hibernate ? |
| 18:29.33 | noire | abrotman: error.log is empty and error.log.1's final entry is "[notice]... shutting down" |
| 18:29.44 | wols | mirak: your RAM size |
| 18:29.50 | wols | for suspend to disk that is |
| 18:30.03 | wols | !tell FuzzyB about mirrors |
| 18:30.14 | simonrvn | FuzzyB: no it's not special, those not all mirrors carry all arches |
| 18:30.16 | wols | noire: apache2.log? |
| 18:30.21 | simonrvn | though* |
| 18:30.28 | mirak | wols: where is it stored on disc ? |
| 18:30.35 | peppe | :'| |
| 18:30.39 | mirak | wols: what about the swap ? |
| 18:30.45 | enouf | preferably your swap partition, which all docs say only require half ram anyways |
| 18:30.58 | simonrvn | because it's little endian ? ;) |
| 18:31.13 | wols | mirak: why would you need to move the swap? it's already on disk so it doesn't need to be backed up... Swap can be used for hibernate. or a file or a partition |
| 18:31.19 | wols | mirak: check the howto(s) |
| 18:31.37 | noire | abrotman: yes /var/log/apache2/error.log and access.log |
| 18:31.44 | enouf | !beer jelly-home |
| 18:31.47 | dooglus | wols: different distros on the same machine share the same swap partition |
| 18:31.55 | wij32 | hey, im trying to build my drive for wireless, and when i do a make, it says <kernal verion>/build is not present, i need to get the source or something right? |
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| 18:32.06 | hlpwfuse | hello, what's the best ISO burner? |
| 18:32.07 | wols | dooglus: then I guess you need to set up a dedicated place |
| 18:32.12 | wols | !best |
| 18:32.13 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 18:32.14 | simonrvn | dooglus: and this matters how? |
| 18:32.38 | dooglus | simonrvn: if I hibernate one distro and it doesn't copy the swap somewhere, then booting another will corrupt the saved state |
| 18:32.42 | wols | wij32: headers. possibly source depending what the wifi module wants |
| 18:32.55 | simonrvn | dooglus: good point :) |
| 18:32.55 | enouf | gloria gaynor .. lol |
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| 18:33.16 | wij32 | wols: how i get the headers? from synaptic? |
| 18:33.22 | simonrvn | like wols said =) |
| 18:33.26 | enouf | find what wij32 ? you p00ped your pants? |
| 18:33.30 | underguiz | where cai i find someone to help me with testdisk? |
| 18:33.43 | underguiz | *can |
| 18:33.44 | wols | !tell underguiz about ask |
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| 18:33.59 | wij32 | its ok i done it |
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| 18:34.24 | hlpwfuse | <wols> i mean some that tells me if files were burned right |
| 18:34.25 | enouf | !penixstrike wij32 |
| 18:34.26 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking wij32 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:34.31 | toad_ | why has adding a windows network printer in KDE never worked for at least the last 2 years? is it possible that there is something I have missed? |
| 18:35.09 | jelly-home | toad_: in those two years, have you reported a bug? |
| 18:35.18 | enouf | !james Brown me |
| 18:35.36 | wij32 | ha |
| 18:35.38 | toad_ | jelly-home: I've talked to other people who had the same problem... I assumed it was an upstream issue |
| 18:35.46 | toad_ | maybe I should |
| 18:36.14 | jkonami | is it possible to just drop a debian iso on a thumbdrive and boot from it? |
| 18:36.18 | jelly-home | toad_: dunno, I always use CUPS' own user interface |
| 18:36.32 | abrotman | noire: right .. look in them for errors |
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| 18:36.58 | toad_ | jelly-home: how do you get to that? :) |
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| 18:37.21 | jelly-home | toad_: I go to http://localhost:631/ and login as root |
| 18:37.27 | noire | abrotman: there are no errors. empty files after the shutdown |
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| 18:37.30 | underguiz | can i use testdisk to recovery a lost ntfs partition? in fact this ntfs partition got accidentaly formatted, using mkfs.vfat... |
| 18:37.39 | abrotman | noire: can you start it manually ? |
| 18:37.46 | infinity1 | mail kongcell |
| 18:37.54 | abrotman | underguiz: do you have a lot of extra money ? |
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| 18:38.03 | enouf | jkonami: suppose you could loop mount the fscker and copy it over, then boot .. but .. |
| 18:38.03 | underguiz | abrotman: nope :/ |
| 18:38.07 | underguiz | abrotman: why? |
| 18:38.17 | abrotman | underguiz: i don't think you can .. unless you get a data recovery person to do it |
| 18:38.24 | underguiz | i see |
| 18:38.30 | abrotman | maybe ask ##linux too |
| 18:38.54 | underguiz | abrotman: i thought that recovering the lost partition, i could see the files.. |
| 18:39.18 | enouf | underguiz: go to runtime.org if you need win rec tools .. it'll cost some $$ , but effective for XPoop recovery |
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| 18:39.28 | wols | underguiz: nobod except MS really knows the format of a NTFS partition... |
| 18:39.41 | underguiz | that`s true |
| 18:39.42 | petemc | ontrack stuff has worked well for me in the past |
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| 18:39.51 | waspius | !pastebin |
| 18:39.51 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 18:40.11 | enouf | petemc: that's a while back though no? |
| 18:40.30 | waspius | well i found it is supported but i dont know how to enable it http://channels.debian.net/paste/5598. |
| 18:40.40 | underguiz | oh god |
| 18:40.41 | enouf | like 98-2000ish maybe petemc .. ? |
| 18:40.42 | petemc | enouf: not too long ago, why do you say that? |
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| 18:41.21 | noire | abrotman: i cannot manually restart apache2 either... no entries in the error or access logs |
| 18:41.23 | dooglus | underguiz: I've managed to restore files from lost partitions before by searching for known fragments of them in the raw partition |
| 18:41.42 | wij32 | how do iset gcc default output name, im trying to ./configure, but it says it doesnt know the c compiler defualt out name? |
| 18:41.46 | underguiz | dooglus: photorec can do that, but there`s to much files |
| 18:41.49 | underguiz | about 40gb |
| 18:41.55 | enouf | petemc: well I have their manu utility CD (retail Hitachi drives)... they used to be one of the few co's that had all the various manu low-level controller codes, that's what you paid for |
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| 18:42.19 | petemc | oh |
| 18:42.25 | dooglus | underguiz: in that case restoring from the backup is probably the easiest solution |
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| 18:42.39 | waspius | anyone? |
| 18:42.41 | underguiz | dooglus: dooglus if i had a backup.... |
| 18:42.52 | wols | !tell waspius about drxx |
| 18:43.07 | wols | waspius: and if you can't see the msg, get a real irc client |
| 18:43.16 | toad_ | jelly-home: "Unable to connect to CIFS host, will retry in 60 seconds..." |
| 18:43.20 | waspius | wols: :( |
| 18:43.21 | wols | and answer the questions people pose you before you ask new ones yourself |
| 18:43.47 | underguiz | dooglus: once, i managed to recovery a deleted ntfs partition via testdisk... but this case is a little bit different, because the partition got formatted as fat32 |
| 18:43.51 | pabloso | Hi, what is the password to cvs checkout http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/users-guide/?cvsroot=debian-doc ? |
| 18:43.56 | underguiz | i wanna die... |
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| 18:43.59 | waspius | !drxx |
| 18:44.00 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 18:44.33 | dooglus | underguiz: I don't know how much damage formatting as fat32 really does to a partition. it's very quick isn't it? which would mean it doesn't physically overwrite the whole disk |
| 18:44.46 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 18:44.52 | underguiz | that`s my point dooglus |
| 18:44.58 | toad_ | jelly-home: how do i give it username/pass? |
| 18:44.59 | HardDisk_WP | any tool available which can display me the type of RAM i have? |
| 18:45.01 | wij32 | how do i set my defualt gcc output to be a.out? |
| 18:45.04 | underguiz | i don`t think i lost any files |
| 18:45.10 | HardDisk_WP | it would take me ages to dig up it... |
| 18:45.10 | wols | dooglus: it overwrites the first sectors. for bootsector, the 2 FATs and root directory |
| 18:45.11 | wij32 | cant do a configure until i set that. |
| 18:45.23 | wols | size of that area depends on partition size and clustersize |
| 18:45.25 | dooglus | infinity1: gcc's default output is a.out. you use -o to change it to something else |
| 18:45.28 | justin | wij32: that is not your problem |
| 18:45.33 | wij32 | justin: ok...? |
| 18:45.42 | wols | underguiz: you did lose some. not much probably but you did lose some |
| 18:45.54 | wols | more important s the meta information you probably lost |
| 18:45.54 | enouf | underguiz: see active@undelete at ntfs.com .. or see runtime.org as i said earlier |
| 18:46.26 | underguiz | enouf: ok |
| 18:47.06 | wols | HardDisk_WP: decode-dimms.pl from lm-sensors |
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| 18:47.49 | pabloso | I got it with cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.debian.org:/cvs/debian-doc co ddp/manuals.sgml/users-guide :) thanks |
| 18:48.06 | dooglus | underguiz: I've bought active@undelete before, and it worked well for me. but I hadn't reformatted, just deleted stuff |
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| 18:49.20 | HardDisk_WP | wols, where is it located? |
| 18:49.25 | abrotman | noire: strace the start |
| 18:49.34 | HardDisk_WP | debian:/home/marco# decode-dimms.pl |
| 18:49.34 | HardDisk_WP | bash: decode-dimms.pl: command not found |
| 18:49.41 | enouf | dooglus: from waht i recall.. a mkfs.vfat, or format C: would zero out each sectors entries (metadata/file descriptor info), along with any pointer to next sector for non-contiguous (dpends on block size) .. and negating that ntfs is entirely non-compatible with fat32's format .. so there's another wrench in the mix |
| 18:49.41 | wols | I just told you |
| 18:49.46 | underguiz | dooglus: i`m looking for actve@uneraser |
| 18:50.32 | dooglus | underguiz: http://www.active-undelete.com/ has a free-trial download that will show you whether it is able to recover the partition or not. |
| 18:50.49 | dooglus | underguiz: it's limited to undeleting 64kb for free, but it's only $40 to buy |
| 18:51.05 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: for "type" you should only need dmidecode, {or lshw, or hwinfo} |
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| 18:51.38 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ???? |
| 18:51.48 | ManuP | where do i store fonts? |
| 18:51.51 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: aptitude install dmidecode |
| 18:51.51 | HardDisk_WP | sry, i cant follow you |
| 18:52.06 | enouf | or apt-get install it |
| 18:52.18 | wols | HardDisk_WP: what exactly do you need? what info? |
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| 18:52.32 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: you want "what" information? DDR vs SDRAM? |
| 18:52.36 | HardDisk_WP | wols, i want to know a) what RAM type I have b) which frequency it has |
| 18:52.45 | wij32 | "C compiler cannot create executables"..... any help please? |
| 18:52.48 | enouf | a == dmidecode |
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| 18:53.06 | enouf | b == erm .. not sure atm ;-P |
| 18:53.06 | abrotman | !b-e wij32 |
| 18:53.07 | dpkg | wij32: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 18:53.13 | wij32 | ok |
| 18:53.15 | enouf | haha |
| 18:53.15 | wols | then ou need to read out SPD EEPROMS and pray they're accurate (very often they are not |
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| 18:53.18 | wols | what CPU do you have? |
| 18:53.20 | dustybin | does anybody know what application compiles assembly code on debian? |
| 18:53.27 | HardDisk_WP | wols, AMD Athlon 3000+ |
| 18:53.32 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: answer wols |
| 18:53.32 | abrotman | gasm or whatever it is |
| 18:53.35 | abrotman | nasm .. |
| 18:53.36 | wols | dustybin: gas, nasm,... |
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| 18:53.42 | dustybin | ok thanks :) |
| 18:53.43 | dooglus | underguiz: active@uneraser is here: http://www.uneraser.com/ |
| 18:53.48 | enouf | ok .. here we go .. not that 1700 is 1655 again .. hehe |
| 18:53.54 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i did |
| 18:53.59 | wij32 | u think build essential would come with the desktop install |
| 18:54.03 | wols | DDR333 or DDR400. which means you have to buy DDR400 |
| 18:54.04 | enouf | !pal HardDisk_WP |
| 18:54.10 | enouf | :-) |
| 18:54.21 | dooglus | dustybin: as |
| 18:54.23 | abrotman | wij32: no ..not everyone needs to build apps |
| 18:54.32 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: oh yeah .. a 3000+ definitely DDR400 |
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| 18:54.49 | wols | enouf: by default it will probably use DDR333 unless he OCs |
| 18:54.56 | HardDisk_WP | ??? |
| 18:54.57 | toresbe | <wij32> u think build essential would come with the desktop install |
| 18:54.59 | underguiz | dooglus: ok... i`m not sure if i want to pay for it |
| 18:55.08 | toresbe | wij32: that is INCREDIBLY WRONG |
| 18:55.11 | toresbe | kthxbye |
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| 18:55.14 | enouf | wols: not mine ;-) nad it's a s754 too :-P |
| 18:55.15 | underguiz | i think testdisk can do it |
| 18:55.21 | underguiz | but i don`t know how |
| 18:55.21 | wols | HardDisk_WP: we just told you what kind of RAM you use unless you OC |
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| 18:55.29 | HardDisk_WP | wols, OC? |
| 18:55.32 | HardDisk_WP | whats that? |
| 18:55.34 | dooglus | underguiz: just now you wanted to die, and now you're not willing to pay $40 to recover the damage? just what is your life worth to you? |
| 18:55.34 | dustybin | ive found: GCC / GAS / NASM / AS86 |
| 18:55.40 | wols | enouf: that is no athlon 3000, that's a sempron64, or athlon64 |
| 18:55.43 | wols | BITG difference |
| 18:55.43 | enouf | wols: depends on how many slots are there, and how many are populated |
| 18:55.45 | wols | HardDisk_WP: overclock |
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| 18:55.57 | HardDisk_WP | wols, hehe, i am not that insane |
| 18:55.57 | underguiz | dooglus: about a couple of cents |
| 18:55.57 | enouf | wols: right .. |
| 18:56.01 | underguiz | hehe |
| 18:56.07 | wols | enouf: no. only axp3200 uses DDR400 natively in that range |
| 18:56.21 | enouf | wols: XPs non-64 went up to 3000+ ? |
| 18:56.30 | underguiz | 3200 |
| 18:56.36 | wols | HardDisk_WP: paste (in a pastebin) your /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:56.38 | enouf | wow .. |
| 18:56.42 | wols | enouf: it went to 3200 |
| 18:56.42 | dooglus | dustybin: /usr/bin/as in package binutils |
| 18:56.48 | abrotman | i thought 3400 |
| 18:56.48 | enouf | lost track once the 64s came out |
| 18:56.52 | wols | barton 3200 running at FSB400 |
| 18:57.02 | wols | abrotman: a few 3400 possibly too yes |
| 18:57.45 | enouf | well i know wher to look if i though it important ;-) |
| 18:57.55 | abrotman | wols: wiki says 3200 |
| 18:58.19 | HardDisk_WP | wols, ok |
| 18:58.22 | ManuP | i downloaded http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/font/font-bh-lucidatypewriter-100dpi-1.0.0.tar.bz2, untared, did ./configure; make; make install but i dont have the font... cant find in OOo |
| 18:59.00 | noire | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5599 |
| 18:59.00 | HardDisk_WP | wols, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5600 |
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| 19:00.13 | abrotman | why does the apache2 init script use mtab ? |
| 19:00.19 | HardDisk_WP | wols, enouf, this is dmidecodes output: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5601 |
| 19:00.37 | jelly-home | ManuP: doesn't OOo use TTF fonts? |
| 19:00.50 | wols | HardDisk_WP: your RAM runs at 166MHz (DDR333) |
| 19:01.01 | abrotman | noire: sarge or etch ? |
| 19:01.09 | noire | abrotman: sarge |
| 19:01.10 | HardDisk_WP | wols, both RAM? |
| 19:01.10 | wols | which means, you should buy DDR400 (they are the same price or cheaper). they will run at 333 just fine |
| 19:01.14 | jelly-home | ManuP: I have no idea what you have downloaded, but "100dpi" sounds like it's a bitmapped screen font |
| 19:02.53 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: i don't want to see you dmidecode output .. do as root dmidecode | grep -A 8 -i 'ram' |
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| 19:03.10 | wij32 | exit |
| 19:03.20 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: wols is dead on here .. do that |
| 19:03.46 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: see how many slots you have? |
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| 19:03.54 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, http://paste.debian.net/23318 |
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| 19:04.03 | HardDisk_WP | yap, two at 512 mb |
| 19:04.05 | ManuP | jelly-home, i looked the font up from an older debian-installation... the installation is about 1.5 yeras old... could be |
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| 19:04.15 | HardDisk_WP | <-- afk for 5min |
| 19:04.21 | wols | HardDisk_WP: as one of them chips on both sides of the PCB? |
| 19:04.25 | waspius | how can icheck which driver i have installed? |
| 19:04.34 | waspius | graphic card |
| 19:04.35 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: you sure you looked for empty right? .. use | less |
| 19:04.53 | hark | installed? |
| 19:05.20 | waspius | i found a driver for my ati card and i want to see if it is already installed |
| 19:05.32 | HardDisk_WP | wols, enouf I can't disassemble the PC at the moment...it's heavily dig under tons of hardware stuff -.- |
| 19:05.36 | HardDisk_WP | afk |
| 19:05.38 | HardDisk_WP | reboot |
| 19:05.52 | wols | waspius: unless you found fglrx, debian should have all drviers available already. no need to look outside |
| 19:06.04 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: mine gives MUCH more output than that (using dmidecode | grep -A 8 -i 'ram') |
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| 19:06.30 | waspius | wols: fine..how can i check if 3d is enabled? |
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| 19:06.34 | ManuP | is there a font-package i could install to get more fonts? |
| 19:06.46 | hark | glxinfo |
| 19:06.55 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: perhaps you can;'t scroll up to copy/paste .. whatever |
| 19:07.10 | enouf | !ttf |
| 19:07.11 | dpkg | i heard ttf is the extension of a True Type Font, checkout freetype or ask me about truetype for location of debian howto. for truetype font support with XF4 ask me about ttf xf4, or see <msttcorefonts>, or see <bobfont> |
| 19:07.11 | wols | ManuP: msttcorefonts |
| 19:07.17 | jelly-home | ManuP: I do have a "Lucida Console" TTF font here, not sure where it came from. /usr/share/fonts/truetype/lucon.ttf |
| 19:07.23 | hark | waspius: glxinfo |grep direct |
| 19:07.29 | wols | jelly-home: from microsoft |
| 19:07.44 | wols | jelly-home: don't forget to thank them! |
| 19:08.00 | ManuP | wols, sorry i cant find with aptitude |
| 19:08.14 | wols | !find msttcorefonts |
| 19:08.15 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.8 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 19:08.27 | waspius | wols: command not found glxinfo |
| 19:08.39 | hark | install mesa-utils |
| 19:08.45 | enouf | !shoot lucida font |
| 19:09.42 | jelly-home | wols: I already gave them money for those fonts (if they come w/ Windows), no need for thanking them... |
| 19:09.53 | enouf | ManuP: apt-cache search font .. i mean c'mon |
| 19:09.57 | waspius | wols: ? |
| 19:10.16 | jelly-home | wols: I'd thank them for Tahoma, that's just a great onscreen font. |
| 19:10.16 | wols | waspius: then search for it? |
| 19:10.18 | enouf | ManuP: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:10.23 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, I can scroll up/down and copy, but it definitely are only those lines |
| 19:10.29 | wols | waspius: enouf told you about grounding. READ IT |
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| 19:11.10 | wols | HardDisk_WP: as for the dual channel thing: the mobo should tell you when it boots up |
| 19:11.44 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 19:11.50 | enouf | waspius: what i will do is offer some links, since you seem to be not able to "/msg the bot" directly in your newly found irssi client |
| 19:12.05 | HardDisk_WP | <-- reboot again. is it possible GRUB doesnt support USB keyboards???!! |
| 19:12.08 | enouf | !customer |
| 19:12.08 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 19:12.23 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
| 19:12.24 | reind | i tried installing package through apt but it failed, now everytime i try to install a new package it tries to install the previous one and fails. Is there any way to stop it from trying to install the one that failed? |
| 19:12.37 | wols | HardDisk_WP: not a grub issues. BIOS issue if there is a problem |
| 19:12.52 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: the BIOS may even tell you (have settings) for Dual channel |
| 19:12.58 | HardDisk_WP | wols, ok...NTLDR was able to handle it |
| 19:13.06 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ok... |
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| 19:13.46 | enouf | reind: try apt-get install --reinstall pkgname |
| 19:14.21 | waspius | enouf: ok it is enabled..thanx |
| 19:14.23 | enouf | reind: cat /proc/version says what? |
| 19:14.41 | enouf | !tell waspius -about search |
| 19:14.44 | reind | enouf: it still fails, i'd actually just like to remove the pending install |
| 19:14.53 | waspius | !search |
| 19:14.53 | dpkg | search is, like, try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 19:15.18 | enouf | WHAT! |
| 19:15.26 | waspius | enouf: does this work like aptitude search file? |
| 19:15.27 | reind | enouf: 2.6.17-2-686 (Debian 2.6.17-9) gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 |
| 19:15.29 | wols | reind: apt-get -f install? |
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| 19:15.51 | reind | wols that starts the install again (and fails) =) |
| 19:16.10 | wols | dpkg -r <package> |
| 19:16.22 | enouf | reind: dpkg -l pkgname says? |
| 19:16.25 | wols | with some --force options applied as necessary |
| 19:16.46 | enouf | dpkg -i hotbotchick |
| 19:17.10 | reind | enouf: iF mysql-server-5 5.0.32-7 |
| 19:17.11 | enouf | oh no .. not mascara!.. eek! |
| 19:17.44 | enouf | reind: try dpkg -P pkgname |
| 19:18.30 | enouf | maybe the -r first as wols said .. |
| 19:18.33 | reind | enouf: wols dpkg -r and dpkg -P worked thanks |
| 19:19.28 | reind | now when i do apt-get -f install it tries to install mysql-server-5.0 is there anyway to remove it from the pending queue? |
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| 19:20.11 | enouf | heh |
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| 19:21.00 | enouf | reind: i never have yet had to use -f with apt |
| 19:21.08 | jelly-home | reind: apt-get remove mysql-server-5.0 or echo packagename purge | dpkg --set-selections |
| 19:21.28 | JerJer | so i'm prolly the thousandth person to ask (i presume) but how does one deal with the new Daylight savings time in debain? My theory is to leave it up to the NTP people :) |
| 19:21.31 | reind | enouf: oh (read the help, you're right thx) |
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| 19:21.42 | reind | thanks jelly-home |
| 19:21.46 | wols | JerJer: read the fucking topic |
| 19:22.24 | JerJer | jesus - i thought a sense of humor was required for IRC |
| 19:22.24 | jelly-home | effin americans and their effin DST changes |
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| 19:23.04 | jelly-home | JerJer: you're the thousandth person to ask that, the humor wore off? |
| 19:23.22 | wols | JerJer: a little piece of brain and literacy gets you more than a little humor |
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| 19:23.37 | JerJer | hence my direct statement at the begnining of my comment |
| 19:23.57 | JerJer | i can tell i'm not wanted here |
| 19:23.57 | jelly-home | JerJer: fact: /topic is actually useful here |
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| 19:24.14 | jelly-home | eh |
| 19:24.25 | wols | !customer |
| 19:24.25 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 19:24.54 | jelly-home | that customer line is often just unnecessarily nasty |
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| 19:25.57 | waspius | one last question hopefully for today..after installing all the packaged needed for beryl do i need to configure xorg.conf? |
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| 19:26.56 | wols | waspius: drxx already does config that. do you have 3D accel now? what does glxinfo say? |
| 19:26.59 | Hilaus | can I install mysql 5 with apt-get on a debian stable? |
| 19:27.09 | waspius | wols: it says i do |
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| 19:28.22 | h3sp4wn | Hilaus: did you check backports.org ? |
| 19:28.56 | waspius | thanx for all the help |
| 19:29.06 | waspius | i am going to reboot to see if it all works |
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| 19:29.33 | wols | waspius: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL#Configuration |
| 19:30.02 | apk | Does Beryl make anybody more productive? |
| 19:30.02 | waspius | wols: thanx |
| 19:30.21 | amphi | apk: of course ;) |
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| 19:30.40 | BrownFrog | apk: I think that the Expose-like functionality of shrinking all windows so you can pick one is very useful |
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| 19:30.53 | wols | apk: no. it's just a way to lure more usnsuspecting victims to the cult of linux |
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| 19:30.58 | wols | "look how pretty!" |
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| 19:31.52 | kelsin | BrownFrog: yeah that and sometimes I actually like transparency for certain functions |
| 19:31.54 | apk | The alt-tab looks nice. I think I'll stick with e17 though. |
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| 19:33.04 | h3sp4wn | apk: I don't think the beryl expose stuff was any better looking than engage (when it was working) |
| 19:33.17 | abrotman | damog__: i need yourt help! |
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| 19:33.49 | wols | abrotman: you also need a spellchecker :) |
| 19:33.57 | abrotman | i need a translator! |
| 19:34.03 | abrotman | no hablo espanol! |
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| 19:41.24 | jkonami | do you guys know what to do with the boot.img images on this page? Do I just burn them? |
| 19:41.26 | jkonami | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 19:42.52 | BrownFrog | jkonami: If you read the page, it says that it's for booting directly from the hard drive or a USB drive |
| 19:43.14 | BrownFrog | jkonami: I suspect you'd have to install ISOLinux on the drive first for it to work |
| 19:43.36 | BrownFrog | jkonami: http://syslinux.zytor.com/iso.php |
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| 19:43.41 | abrotman | jkonami: burn them as images |
| 19:45.37 | x_link | I just did apt-get install qemu, but I can't find it in my K Menu. Shouldn't it be there? |
| 19:46.04 | reind | i'm having a problem with the openbsd-inetd package. Im trying to install mysql-server but i get "initscript openbsd-inetd, action "start" failed." Any ideas? i tried to do a dist-upgrade and that started this issue |
| 19:46.13 | BrownFrog | x_link: *Should be*, yes; not all packages do it right though |
| 19:46.36 | x_link | BrownFrog: ok |
| 19:46.47 | x_link | Then I have to start it by writtin "qemu" in my konsole. |
| 19:47.03 | petemc | qemu doesnt have a graphical front end by default |
| 19:47.48 | x_link | petemc: How do I get that? |
| 19:47.52 | petemc | ive no idea |
| 19:48.11 | x_link | ok |
| 19:48.34 | BrownFrog | x_link: apt-get install qemu-launcher |
| 19:48.34 | petemc | im just mentioning that by way of explanation of it not appearing in your "k menu" |
| 19:49.11 | x_link | BrownFrog: ok |
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| 19:51.30 | x_link | BrownFrog: Should I have it in my K Menu after that? |
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| 19:51.59 | bilsta | how can i see what proccess id is listening on a certain port ? |
| 19:52.30 | dooglus | bilsta: netstat -tlp |
| 19:52.47 | amphi | or -plunt |
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| 19:53.05 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp <portnum> |
| 19:53.05 | bilsta | so just netsat -tlp <port> ? |
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| 19:54.24 | x_link | BrownFrog: How do I get qemu with graphic? |
| 19:54.50 | abrotman | qemu -vnc 0:0 ? |
| 19:55.11 | bzed | x_link: qemu just shows a window usually |
| 19:55.50 | x_link | hrm |
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| 19:55.53 | greff | What does the 'kerberos-tgt-@ssh.com' part refer to in this line?: AllowedAuthentications publickey,kerberos-tgt-2@ssh.com,kerberos-1@ssh.com,password |
| 19:56.01 | vezult | I can't get minicom to connect to the console on my AIX box. I verified that I can communicate betwen the two by catting the serial port on one end and writing stuff to the other |
| 19:56.09 | x_link | I just downloaded it, now I try "qemu" in konsole but nothing happens, just alot of "flags" comes up |
| 19:56.16 | vezult | it seems to work in sarge, but not in etch |
| 19:56.37 | bilsta | dedi004:~# netstat -p | grep 8006 |
| 19:56.37 | bilsta | tcp 0 94641 dedi004.getpro.co.:8006 87-127-78-74.no-dn:3519 FIN_WAIT1 - |
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| 19:56.44 | bilsta | thats the connection |
| 19:56.49 | bilsta | how do i terminate it ? |
| 19:56.56 | justin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.30 | vezult | justin: yeah |
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| 19:57.48 | vezult | bilsta: tcpkill <matching tcpdump filter expression here> |
| 19:57.58 | xingu | vezult: you might need to init the serial port first, using setserial. |
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| 19:58.22 | xingu | vezult: old kernels and old setserial boot/init scripts used to do this by default - no more. |
| 19:58.49 | vezult | xingu: communication works between the two...just not via minicom |
| 19:59.03 | bilsta | vezult: im confused :P |
| 19:59.15 | xingu | vezult: check your hw handshaking settings maybe? |
| 19:59.23 | vezult | xingu: if I do: ls / > /dev/ttyS0 on one end, and cat /dev/tty0 on the other...I see the listing |
| 20:00.01 | xingu | vezult: try minicom -o |
| 20:00.20 | bilsta | vezult: looking at " tcp 0 94641 dedi004.getpro.co.:8006 87-127-78-74.no-dn:3519 FIN_WAIT1 - " how would i use " tcpkill " ? |
| 20:01.10 | justin | bilsta: 1) use netstat -n. 2) FIN_WAIT1 means it is already closed |
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| 20:02.12 | bilsta | justin, then whats listening on that port. ? |
| 20:02.28 | bilsta | if thats already closed |
| 20:02.45 | justin | bilsta: wait 2 minutes |
| 20:02.52 | vezult | xingu: no luck. |
| 20:02.56 | bilsta | okay justin |
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| 20:03.29 | xingu | vezult: in that case check the ttyS0 termios before and during running minicom; stty -a </dev/ttyS0 |
| 20:03.32 | waspius | can i run beryl without xgl? |
| 20:03.52 | xingu | vezult: I'm taking a wild guess that minicom is forcing hw handshaking and that your wiring or host doesn't support it |
| 20:05.03 | reind | btw: if anyone else had that problem with inetd not wanting to get updated - killing the process first then instaling works |
| 20:05.18 | karsten | HTF can I (if I can?) play RealAudio streams under xmms? |
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| 20:05.37 | jkonami | ok, where can I find out which kernel is on the latest stable debian installer? |
| 20:05.47 | waspius | !xgl |
| 20:05.48 | dpkg | well, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 20:06.06 | karsten | !xmms realplayer |
| 20:06.07 | dpkg | it has been said that xmms realplayer is Install the Realplayer binary. Then get the libreal.so library from http://ftp.stenstad.net/pub/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/ and you can play Realplayer files and streams in xmms |
| 20:06.10 | waspius | !beryl |
| 20:06.10 | dpkg | hmm... beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
| 20:06.21 | karsten | Feck. URL's busted. |
| 20:06.46 | jkonami | I figured out that I need a driver for an AIC-94xx but I need to know what will have support |
| 20:06.48 | jelly-home | jkonami: you need the exact debian revision of the kernel package or just the upstream version? |
| 20:07.24 | jelly-home | jkonami: stable has 2.6.8 and 2.4.27 afair |
| 20:07.25 | jkonami | jelly-home: just in general - I think I'm seeing that 2.6.18 on has support for it |
| 20:07.26 | mindframe | anyone know where i can list of what dselect installs for the "laptop" selection during etch install? |
| 20:07.45 | wols | jkonami: etch has 2.6.18 |
| 20:07.48 | bilsta | justin: it is still their |
| 20:07.56 | jelly-home | jkonami: there are 3rd party customized installers for sarge with newer kernels though |
| 20:08.00 | Guerin | mindframe: tasksel --help |
| 20:08.08 | Guerin | mindframe: there's a thing to show what's in each task |
| 20:08.11 | jelly-home | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 20:08.11 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
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| 20:08.19 | justin | !tell bilsta about open ports |
| 20:08.24 | jkonami | jelly-home: I'm trying to find one with support for the 94xx |
| 20:08.35 | jelly-home | jkonami: take a look at the kmuto.jp link above ^^ |
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| 20:08.51 | jkonami | jelly-home: I've been there, but I have no idea what to do with the images :) |
| 20:09.02 | wols | if you use a kmuto kernel go all out: use 2.6.20 |
| 20:09.28 | jkonami | the cd burner prog I tried said it wasn't a valid image |
| 20:09.37 | maddash | !xmms realplayer |
| 20:09.37 | dpkg | [xmms realplayer] Install the Realplayer binary. Then get the libreal.so library from http://ftp.stenstad.net/pub/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/ and you can play Realplayer files and streams in xmms |
| 20:09.46 | greff | Upon entering: ssh -v -o "AllowedAuthentications kerberos-2@ssh.com,kerberos-tgt-2@ssh.com" user@10.0.30.34; # Why do I get this?: command-line: line 0: Bad configuration option: AllowedAuthentications |
| 20:10.00 | jelly-home | jkonami: least you can do is ask the maintainer if the compiled in the relevant driver... I suspect his kernel is like the Debian's, in that it has every availale driver built |
| 20:10.25 | bilsta | justin: this is kind of urgent currently a radio stations is down, i would learn about open ports, but i really do need to get this up, could you just help kill the connection / process |
| 20:10.31 | bilsta | so i can get shoutcast back-up |
| 20:10.39 | maddash | !xmms realplayer ~= s/http:\/\/ftp.stenstad.net\/pub\/xmms\/plugins\/rmxmms\//ftp:\/\/ftp.xmms.org\/xmms\/plugins\/rmxmms\// |
| 20:11.00 | Guerin | mindframe: use # instead of / as a separator |
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| 20:11.04 | jkonami | jelly-home: I would just try it out, but these aren't cd isos - someone else suggested they are usb images but I have no idea what I'm doing in that regard |
| 20:11.05 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:11.11 | Guerin | maddash: use # instead of / as a separator |
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| 20:11.26 | jelly-home | jkonami: huh? I downloaded an iso from there |
| 20:11.27 | maddash | Guerin: for the url? or for regexp seperators? |
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| 20:11.31 | vezult | greff: check your .ssh/config? |
| 20:11.59 | heh_v_water | is there anything one should know about debian and the daylight savings time chnages or will it be okay? |
| 20:12.01 | greff | vezult: But command line options override configuration file options. |
| 20:12.02 | maddash | !xmms realplayer ~= s/http:\/\/ftp.stenstad.net\/pub\/xmms\/plugins\/rmxmms\/#ftp:\/\/ftp.xmms.org\/xmms\/plugins\/rmxmms\// |
| 20:12.07 | Guerin | maddash: for the regexp. then you can use / in the urs with impunity |
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| 20:12.13 | Guerin | wtf |
| 20:12.15 | jelly-home | heh_v_water: please read the topic |
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| 20:12.43 | maddash | !xmms realplayer ~= s#http://ftp.stenstad.net/pub/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/#ftp://ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/# |
| 20:12.47 | jkonami | jelly-home: Itried this one : http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.20/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 20:13.08 | maddash | Guerin: ? |
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| 20:13.28 | Guerin | maddash: try #http://badger/#http://mushroom# |
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| 20:13.41 | maddash | !xmms realplayer ~= #http://ftp.stenstad.net/pub/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/#ftp://ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/# |
| 20:13.45 | Ankman | my USB is br0ken |
| 20:13.47 | jkonami | jelly-home: it says "(128MB USB image)" |
| 20:13.48 | vezult | greff: then find a version of ssh that supports AllowedAuthentications, maybe. |
| 20:13.49 | Ankman | or the keyboard |
| 20:13.55 | abrotman | maddash: give up already |
| 20:13.59 | maddash | !xmms realplayer ~= #http://ftp.stenstad.net/pub/xmms/plugins/rmxmms#ftp://ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/rmxmms# |
| 20:14.00 | jelly-home | jkonami: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ --> click on JP or FR two lines above the boot.img.gz |
| 20:14.02 | greff | vezult: I've installed Kerberized SSH though. |
| 20:14.03 | vezult | greff: I don't see anything about that option in man ssh_config" |
| 20:14.07 | abrotman | maddash: /msg ? |
| 20:14.10 | greff | vezult: ldd shows that sshd is linked with libkrb5.so and ldd also shows that ssh is linked with libkrb5.so |
| 20:14.14 | vezult | greff: ah |
| 20:14.21 | greff | vezult: That's probably because you don't have a Kerberized SSH installed. |
| 20:14.23 | maddash | abrotman: i don't think dpkg allows /msg changes |
| 20:14.30 | abrotman | yes he does . i do it all the time |
| 20:14.52 | abrotman | maddash: change is made |
| 20:15.03 | maddash | !xmms realplayer |
| 20:15.04 | dpkg | methinks xmms realplayer is Install the Realplayer binary. Then get the libreal.so library from ftp://ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/rmxmms/ and you can play Realplayer files and streams in xmms |
| 20:15.09 | jelly-home | jkonami: might have missed it if your browser doesn't color links :-) |
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| 20:15.18 | maddash | abrotman: great. what syntax did you use? |
| 20:15.25 | abrotman | not telling! |
| 20:15.34 | maddash | abrotman: why not? |
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| 20:17.30 | reind | can i use apt to install a packages config files over mine? apt-get install <pkg> --reinstall doesnt recreate the dir structure and config files |
| 20:17.35 | crazy_penguin | good night to all! |
| 20:17.43 | waspius | how can u kill metacity? |
| 20:17.45 | abrotman | !tell Reind about confmiss |
| 20:17.48 | abrotman | killall metacity |
| 20:17.51 | waspius | thanx |
| 20:17.56 | asg | pkill metacity |
| 20:18.01 | ma3x | are there debian routers? |
| 20:18.18 | Gnea | sure |
| 20:18.21 | Guerin | ma3x: yes. I can set one up any time I like. |
| 20:18.29 | waspius | it kills it but it reopens |
| 20:18.48 | Guerin | waspius: ctrl+alt+bksp |
| 20:18.50 | Gnea | waspius: you'd have to kill X |
| 20:18.54 | ma3x | Guerin: i mean adsl/voip debian router |
| 20:19.16 | Guerin | ma3x: sure, shouldn't be too hard. |
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| 20:19.36 | ma3x | Guerin: how do you setup that? first off what kind of equipment do I need? |
| 20:19.56 | Guerin | ma3x: i recommend a pentium II or lower |
| 20:20.43 | Guerin | ma3x: plug your dsl modem into it, set your scripts up to keep the connection, configure iptables to NAT all the voip stuff properly - robert is your father's brother |
| 20:20.45 | Gnea | ma3x: http://www.touset.org/projects/howtos/fwhowto/fwhowto.html |
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| 20:20.57 | PeterC | I did a fresh installation of Debian yesterday. Near the end of the installation it stopped at 5%. The system boots but is it possible to manually finalize the installation? The last line in /var/log/install/syslog reads 'Mar 7 23:32:13 finish-install: info: Running /usr/lib/finish-install.d/94save-logs' |
| 20:21.06 | maddash | abrotman: too bad that the changes you made are incorrect |
| 20:21.10 | Guerin | !5% error |
| 20:21.10 | dpkg | from memory, 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? boot the installer with `boot debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like, or or use a daily build etch installer where this problem has been fixed |
| 20:21.21 | reind | abrotman: i tried dkpg --force-confmiss -i rpmfile but it did not create it ... |
| 20:21.24 | abrotman | maddash: i took your stuff! |
| 20:21.39 | maddash | abrotman: that's what you think. |
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| 20:21.44 | waspius | ok something else..what do i need to edit so i can have beryl as an option for a window manager?and can that be done without xgl? |
| 20:21.44 | ma3x | Guerin: I mean router/modem that runs debian, without the need of another computer |
| 20:21.45 | abrotman | maddash: the very last attempt you made ... |
| 20:21.54 | abrotman | maddash: if you're feeding the bot bad info .. that's your fault |
| 20:21.57 | Guerin | ma3x: a router *is* a computer |
| 20:22.19 | maddash | abrotman: it's a honeypot. for people like you. karsten taught me. :P. |
| 20:22.26 | mindframe | ma3x, arno iptables script will make setting a router up very easy. 2 3com or intel nics would be optimal. |
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| 20:22.32 | asg | it's not a sailboat, it's a schooner |
| 20:22.36 | abrotman | maddash: you're a fucktard |
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| 20:22.47 | mindframe | how rude! |
| 20:22.49 | foxure | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.58 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 20:22.59 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 20:23.04 | Gnea | maddash: haha and you believed him :D |
| 20:23.10 | abrotman | reind: you're doing what with an rpm ? |
| 20:23.19 | jelly-home | Does dpkg have a 3-revert-rule? :-> |
| 20:23.22 | abrotman | reind: oh .. move yours out of the way |
| 20:23.23 | maddash | Gnea: huh? |
| 20:23.26 | ma3x | Guerin: there is combo (modem+router) that runs linux, right? so is there one that runs debian? |
| 20:23.35 | maddash | Guerin: you lose. |
| 20:23.46 | Gnea | ma3x: debian is a distribution of linux. |
| 20:23.50 | Guerin | ma3x: why would you care? It's got practically no userspeace gear on it, there's no benefit to running debian. |
| 20:23.53 | PeterC | Guerin: !5% error Was that for me? Could you help me translate that to something I understand? |
| 20:23.59 | ttyp0 | hi there, i'm on an etch fresh install and iceweasel is not starting... anyone having this same issue? |
| 20:24.07 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 20:24.08 | asg | Guerin: it could run cowsay |
| 20:24.09 | Guerin | maddash: you already lost, you've been out of this game for months. You just don't realise it. |
| 20:24.13 | Ronin | ttyp0: start it from a term and see what errors you get |
| 20:24.20 | jelly-home | ma3x: My Siemens SE505 runs a 2.4.17 kernel. |
| 20:24.29 | wols | PeterC: the installer has a bug. use a recent daily installer instead |
| 20:24.34 | ttyp0 | first i got limbodzjs dependency errors |
| 20:24.37 | Guerin | asg: this is true. If a router runs cowsay and there's no display on which to view it, does it make a moo? |
| 20:24.45 | ttyp0 | i solved them by adding /usr/lib/iceweasel to ld.so.conf |
| 20:24.54 | ttyp0 | now i can run the binary firefox-bin |
| 20:24.55 | ttyp0 | but |
| 20:25.02 | ttyp0 | it stats there |
| 20:25.05 | stew | abrotman: ¿que? |
| 20:25.10 | asg | Guerin: you create cowsayd and telnet to it? |
| 20:25.16 | abrotman | stew: this is the song that never ends ... |
| 20:25.19 | ttyp0 | as if it was waiting for me to type anything on the console |
| 20:25.19 | wols | ma3x: many linux based adsl routers nowadays. all AVM fritzbox for examples. they do POTS/ISDN and DSL and WLAN |
| 20:25.21 | ttyp0 | on stdin |
| 20:25.26 | maddash | !tell karsten about xmms realplayer |
| 20:25.55 | h3sp4wn | ma3x: There is some people silly enough to try to run debian on some routers supported by openwrt (but its no more useful if you ask me) |
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| 20:25.59 | PeterC | wols: Will a daily built continue where the other one failed or do I have to start from scratch? |
| 20:26.03 | reind | abrotman: actually that worked thanks |
| 20:26.03 | Guerin | PeterC: yeah, it is possible to fix. Boot the install, update the key (/msg dpkg etch key) and run aptitude update && aptitude install somepackage otherpackage |
| 20:26.04 | waspius | ok something else..what do i need to edit so i can have beryl as an option for a window manager?and can that be done without xgl? |
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| 20:26.17 | wols | PeterC: daily would mean to start from scratch |
| 20:26.46 | karsten | maddash: Thanks |
| 20:26.51 | ma3x | wols: are they user manageable? can you login into it and do what you want? because the router I have is with my ISPs firmware, so I can't do anything I want, I have telnet access and it runs busybox but with very very limited functions |
| 20:26.51 | Guerin | PeterC: otherwise you can use the latest daily installer, which is fixed, or you can boot the installer with `boot debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' |
| 20:27.00 | maddash | karsten: np. |
| 20:27.24 | karsten | maddash: How'd you find that? |
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| 20:27.38 | Vasistha | g'day all! So, I've recently upgraded to etch, and am having trouble, I think, with udev. I have some devices in the /dev/.static/dev that I would like to make available to all users. So I did chmod a+rx /dev/.static and I also symlinked them into the /dev/ directory. However, on reboot, the /dev/.static has its restrictive permissions reimposed, and the symlinks were removed. What to do? |
| 20:27.39 | wols | ma3x: yes. you can install your own firmware on it if you want or simply enable telnet and you have root access |
| 20:27.44 | maddash | karsten: google |
| 20:27.54 | Ronin | ma3x: get a spare computer install debian on it, put in multiple nics, one debian firewall, you dont like that you get a spare machine and install ipcop on it |
| 20:28.37 | wols | ma3x: but maybe you should first tell why you want such a router |
| 20:28.45 | Ronin | which reminds me i need to apply the dst patch to my ipcop install |
| 20:28.54 | ma3x | wols: what distro are those routers hooked up with? |
| 20:29.04 | Guerin | ma3x: they're not running a distro |
| 20:29.05 | wols | ma3x: there are no distros for that |
| 20:29.20 | Guerin | ma3x: they run a minimal kernel and a *very* minimal set of userspace gear |
| 20:29.25 | wols | it's a custom linux install. it's an embedded device |
| 20:29.42 | xingu | openwrt's ipkg is a reasonable compromise between size and utility. |
| 20:29.44 | Guerin | it fits into 64MB or less of flash - try doing that on debian |
| 20:29.45 | wols | ma3x: they have 4-8MB flash only. and 16-32MB RAM |
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| 20:30.01 | PeterC | Guerin: Do you mean I should write `boot debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' at the boot prompt of the installer CD? |
| 20:30.02 | wols | Guerin: there is no consumer router with more than 8MB flash afaik |
| 20:30.14 | Guerin | wols: seems fair |
| 20:30.21 | Guerin | PeterC: yes. |
| 20:30.31 | wols | possibly 16MB if you're lucky but that's it |
| 20:30.47 | xingu | wols: there's some that have hdd's... |
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| 20:30.57 | xingu | wols: there's also some that have usb ports. :) |
| 20:30.59 | scv | many packages have patchses only for debian in the source code, what's it happened on debian? |
| 20:31.00 | wols | xingu: consumer devices? I doubt it |
| 20:31.08 | xingu | wols: yup. |
| 20:31.15 | wols | xingu: model numbers? |
| 20:31.27 | ma3x | wols: I'm interested about the traffic logging for example. Why my router can't log anything? because of the minimal set of userspace gear? |
| 20:31.38 | moshii | mm what's the point having secondary dns when everything breaks when it goes down? :'( |
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| 20:31.48 | xingu | wols: I'd have to dig, but there's "nas" gear that'll serve as a nat router quite happily |
| 20:31.48 | karsten | maddash: Do you use that? I should be able to copy it to /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libreal.so and select RealAudio under Options > Preferences > Audio I/O Plugins, no? |
| 20:31.53 | wols | ma3x: no, cause the manufacturer hasn't thought it would be useful |
| 20:31.58 | Guerin | scv: wtf? |
| 20:32.13 | solemnwarning | Is it possible for a program to enable/disable a USB port so it stops sending power? |
| 20:32.15 | ma3x | wols: but there are certain routers that do have this capability right? |
| 20:32.16 | xingu | wols: linksys nslu |
| 20:32.27 | karsten | What specifies fonts in xmms's Preferences dialogs? They're horrendously huge. |
| 20:32.45 | wols | ma3x: sure. mine can run syslog (and it has a log of its own), and when you telnet in you have logs too, printed to console |
| 20:32.52 | Guerin | karsten: there is a config thingulator you can set for it. |
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| 20:32.55 | wols | xingu: that is no router |
| 20:33.03 | karsten | Guerin: gconf / gconf editor? |
| 20:33.09 | Guerin | karsten: no, within xmms |
| 20:33.09 | wols | xingu: it's a frigging NAS box that runs linux of which there are thousands out there |
| 20:33.25 | scv | can someone tell me why there is a debian dir in the source of kernel or in other packages? |
| 20:33.29 | karsten | Guerin: Not AFAICT. There is for the standard GUI elements, but not the menus. |
| 20:33.34 | Guerin | karsten: it uses its own haxxored extensions to gtk, i don't believe it obeys global gtk+ config - because it has utf-8 |
| 20:33.42 | karsten | Guerin: Ah. |
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| 20:33.53 | wols | scv: cause the meta info needed to make a deb needs to go somewhere |
| 20:33.56 | Guerin | hm, ok. Try switch, perhaps it changed |
| 20:33.58 | scv | did debian do something bad? |
| 20:34.02 | Guerin | karsten: in gtk-theme-switch package |
| 20:34.11 | scv | oh, ic |
| 20:34.14 | stew | scv: /msg dpkg mg |
| 20:34.21 | xingu | wols: depends on your criterea I guess; it can route packets, that's for sure. |
| 20:34.41 | karsten | Guerin: Sec, installing. |
| 20:34.49 | wols | xingu: my palm can " route packages" that doesn't mean anyone ever thought it was a router |
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| 20:35.31 | petemc | jelly-home: you've looked at beep ? |
| 20:35.41 | jelly-home | petemc: no, switched to amarok :-| |
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| 20:35.44 | wols | xingu: not to mention a NSLU2 only has a single NIC afaik. kinda hartd to be a router (not impossible but kinda pointless) |
| 20:35.51 | Guerin | jelly-home: because it works. |
| 20:36.06 | jelly-home | Guerin: but... aliased fonts... :-| |
| 20:36.15 | Guerin | jelly-home: xmms2 and beep are replacements, no point hacking on xmms and possibly breaking it when you can hack on the new ones |
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| 20:36.25 | Guerin | jelly-home: most people seem not to care |
| 20:36.30 | Guerin | i draw the line at aliasing |
| 20:36.31 | karsten | Guerin: Switch ain't it. |
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| 20:36.42 | wols | xingu: howevre, people have added hdds to their routers (wrt54g often have them), tho it's an aftermarket mod. linksys certainly didn't sell it that way |
| 20:36.46 | karsten | Guerin: I mucked with /etc/gtc-mumble files.... |
| 20:36.46 | Guerin | karsten: yeah. I was sure there was a config in it for the font. |
| 20:36.47 | jelly-home | Guerin: is that a pun? :-) |
| 20:37.16 | Guerin | jelly-home: :) |
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| 20:38.20 | maddash | 4076KB??? |
| 20:38.30 | maddash | eep is big |
| 20:38.36 | h3xis | maddish \:D/ |
| 20:38.40 | maddash | *beep |
| 20:38.40 | h3xis | er ash* |
| 20:38.45 | eeyore- | do you guys use dump? have you been finding that it's complaining about bread lseek fails? i'm getting that very recently and i wanna know if it's dump, e2fsprogs, kernel, libc, or what ... |
| 20:38.56 | eeyore- | (no, the filesystem is *not* live, has been checked) |
| 20:39.02 | maddash | h3xis: hi there. <tab> doesn't work anymore? |
| 20:39.11 | h3sp4wn | wols: Presuming you use a usb ethernet the nslu2 could be a much better router than an wrt54g (especially if you can get the crypto net firmware) - there is more routers that use the ixp422 than nas devices (and its underpowered for a nas) |
| 20:39.18 | h3xis | maddash, haha it does just didnt think about it |
| 20:39.32 | eeyore- | and this dump complaint has been cropping up on two unrelated systems so i kind of want to know if it's me or what ... |
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| 20:40.00 | waspius | wols: can u send me again the link so i can setup beryl to start as a window manager? |
| 20:40.08 | tvynr | Anyone here have any thoughts as to how I might populate a loopback ext2 filesystem without superuser priveleges? |
| 20:40.27 | asg | tvynr: chmod |
| 20:40.39 | asg | tvynr: or chown rather |
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| 20:40.45 | maddash | mirrors.kernel.org is down |
| 20:40.55 | tvynr | asg: Sorry? I don't understand how either of those pertain. |
| 20:41.01 | karsten | asg: nonpriv users can't chown |
| 20:41.29 | karsten | tvynr: You'll need to own the filesystem root. Talk to root. |
| 20:41.32 | asg | tvynr: misread |
| 20:41.40 | wols | http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL#Configuration |
| 20:42.30 | tvynr | karsten, asg: To clarify: I am attempting to build a filesystem image file (dd if=/dev/zero ...; /sbin/mkfs.ext3 file.img ) and then populate it with a directory structure I have prepared. |
| 20:42.31 | waspius | thanx |
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| 20:43.16 | tvynr | karsten, asg: I'm a bit stuck on populating the fs without superuser privs, though; I can't mount it unless it's in fstab or I'm root. This is vexing. |
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| 20:43.46 | tvynr | karsten, asg: I'm essentially trying to create a bootable Linux CD without using superuser privs and I'm having difficulty figuring out how. :-P |
| 20:44.02 | rshakin | hey ppl is there a way to save the current package state so i can use it to reinstall everything i have installed ? |
| 20:44.18 | abrotman | dpkg --get-selections |
| 20:44.23 | Guerin | !selections |
| 20:44.24 | dpkg | well, ffs copy is run "dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt" on the source, copy foo.txt to the destination and run "dpkg --set-selections < foo.txt ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade" on the destination. |
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| 20:45.54 | wols | tvynr: run a UML |
| 20:45.54 | xingu | personally I like my routers to be able to deal with a full bgp table refresh after a link flap without dropping packets ;) |
| 20:46.10 | wols | and build your CD inside it |
| 20:46.23 | tvynr | wols: UML? Can you expand that acronym so I can Google for it? |
| 20:46.27 | tvynr | wols: :) |
| 20:46.28 | asg | tvynr: user mode linux |
| 20:46.28 | wols | !UML |
| 20:46.29 | dpkg | uml is, like, User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 20:46.35 | rshakin | cool thanx guys |
| 20:46.48 | rshakin | worked like a charm |
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| 20:46.59 | tvynr | karsten, as, wols: Thanks; I'll look into that. :) |
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| 20:47.38 | asg | xingu: somebody is likely made enough, it doesn't mean it's a good idea though |
| 20:47.41 | asg | *mad |
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| 20:50.59 | tvynr | asg, wols: So allow me to summarize: the proposed solution to avoiding root access is to use virtualization software to create another instance of Linux where I do have root access? |
| 20:51.11 | asg | tvynr: yes |
| 20:51.14 | Guerin | good luck doing that without root access |
| 20:51.20 | Guerin | go and talk to your administrator |
| 20:51.25 | sudo_maddash | beep is pretty |
| 20:51.29 | h3sp4wn | tvynr: things like uclibc buildroot manage to do it so its not impossible |
| 20:52.05 | tvynr | Guerin: I am my administrator. I just don't like the practice of using superuser privs to run a build script. :) |
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| 20:52.12 | Guerin | oh. |
| 20:52.24 | Guerin | is that like you being your own grandpa? |
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| 20:53.55 | x_link | baah now I don't remember the nick of the person I just talked with |
| 20:53.58 | asg | Guerin: he could name his UML instance grandpa |
| 20:54.24 | Guerin | i suppose he could |
| 20:54.53 | tvynr | lol |
| 20:55.25 | asg | x_link: bzed, wols, enouf, justin, and BrownFrog |
| 20:55.36 | asg | x_link: at least since noon |
| 20:55.43 | tvynr | Sorry if I'm being a bit of an idealist... it just strikes me as silly that I need root privileges to create an ext2 filesystem image. I can create a cramfs filesystem image as a normal user. |
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| 20:55.50 | cahoot | asg: and asg |
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| 20:55.55 | karsten | x_link: /lastlog yourself |
| 20:56.30 | x_link | asg: It was BrownFrog =) |
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| 20:56.36 | x_link | karsten: I don't save my irssi logs |
| 20:56.37 | karsten | tvynr: You don't need root perms to create it. You need root perms to mount it, though, unless you've used root perms to give yourself user privs to mount it. |
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| 20:57.31 | tvynr | karsten: nodnod I've already considered adding an entry to /etc/fstab just for this project, but I'd rather not need to do that... it seems kinda messy, strewing bits of my various projects across my development box's configuration. |
| 20:57.31 | sudo_maddash | beep closes when i drag over an mp3 icon. weird. |
| 20:57.33 | karsten | x_link: That scans through your channel buffer. I don't save logs but I rarely disconnect/log out. |
| 20:57.53 | x_link | karsten: My screen got stuck so I had to reboot |
| 20:57.54 | asg | karsten: he logged a few times |
| 20:57.58 | karsten | tvynr: Problem with filesystems is that they can be used to compromise your system. |
| 20:58.06 | tvynr | karsten: Not if they're mounted with the right options... |
| 20:58.09 | karsten | tvynr: suid, dev, exe, and other filetypes, specifically. |
| 20:58.10 | sudo_maddash | apt-spy just segfaulted. is this normal? |
| 20:58.17 | tvynr | karsten: i.e., nodev, nosuid, etc. |
| 20:58.18 | karsten | tvynr: ... which you need to be able to allocate as root. |
| 20:58.26 | eeyore- | thanks a lot you guys :-p (dump's problem appears to be real. looks like e2fsprogs actually returns -1 to ext2fs_llseek calls for some reason, now to go find out why ... |
| 20:58.28 | asg | sudo_maddash: only if it's mentioned in the manpage |
| 20:58.44 | karsten | tvynr: You might be able to sort this with an automount config. |
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| 20:59.04 | tvynr | karsten: See, I was looking for a FUSE wrapper that would mount an ext2 fs. No luck with that. 'cause FUSE mounts everything as nosuid, nodev to keep things safe. |
| 20:59.05 | karsten | tvynr: If I'm admining a box, 'sudo mount' w/ apropriate options seems a small price to pay. |
| 20:59.15 | eeyore- | blkno for the call appears to be huge. i mean .. *huge* .. 7765300872997592, for example |
| 20:59.27 | karsten | tvynr: As very well it should |
| 20:59.43 | nescius | oh, again i am missing something important for configuring kernel |
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| 21:00.01 | nowhereman | hello. can anyone help me with a dhcp3-server segfaulting problem? |
| 21:00.05 | tvynr | karsten: Wholly agreed, yes. I was just all gung-ho about getting my build script and associated whatnots to stop using superuser privs and it's not going well. |
| 21:00.16 | sudo_maddash | .nick maddash |
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| 21:00.51 | nescius | i've only wrote "make oldconfig" |
| 21:00.52 | tvynr | karsten: Problem #2 is that when I "fakeroot fakechroot chroot" into the root I'm putting on this CD, I can't do anything useful 'cause a bunch of binaries are SUID root (which, of course, in the real world is a nonpriv user) and so won't run right. |
| 21:00.53 | karsten | tvynr: fakeroot, chroot, and virtualization are your firends. |
| 21:01.08 | freetos | i guess it's not too recommended to ask for an estimated release date on etch, is it? |
| 21:01.15 | karsten | tvynr: What are you building that needs a mount, anyway? |
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| 21:01.19 | wols | WWER |
| 21:01.23 | wols | !WWER |
| 21:01.23 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 21:01.25 | karsten | !win freetos |
| 21:01.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, freetos! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:01.39 | Guerin | !/msg dpkg date of release |
| 21:01.41 | wols | nescius: what errpr |
| 21:01.56 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:02.02 | Guerin | !date of release |
| 21:02.02 | dpkg | The next release of debian will release on May 17, 2034. If you ask again, the date will change. Ask me about <siyh> <wir> |
| 21:02.06 | Guerin | there you go |
| 21:02.09 | Guerin | there's your date |
| 21:02.12 | karsten | freetos: Actually _I_ do know *exactly* when etch will be released. |
| 21:02.19 | karsten | freetos: That would be ... |
| 21:02.25 | karsten | freetos: On etch Release Day. |
| 21:02.29 | freetos | karsten: come on, do tell |
| 21:02.30 | eeyore- | !date of release |
| 21:02.30 | dpkg | The next release of debian will release on Jul 16, 2011. If you ask again, the date will change. Ask me about <siyh> <wir> |
| 21:02.34 | Xenguy | .oO(Sooner than I thought =) |
| 21:02.43 | tvynr | karsten: An ext2 filesystem image. The CD boots using isolinux and loads the image in question (the root of a Linux installation) as if it were a ramdisk. This little system has to run entirely out of RAM. |
| 21:02.47 | freetos | i was thinking may 17, 2007 |
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| 21:02.57 | karsten | (On retrospect, it will be discovered that it actually escaped several weeks prior). |
| 21:03.09 | freetos | etch won't beat rhel 5 |
| 21:03.15 | tvynr | karsten: In my dev environment, I'm just trying to populate the image with an ext2 filesystem without having to be root to mount the image file. |
| 21:03.25 | linuxx | does anyone in here know how to fix this? -> "init: rc-default process (4208) terminated with status 127" |
| 21:03.32 | asg | freetos: it's not a race |
| 21:03.33 | Guerin | freetos: nope, because it's not a race |
| 21:03.41 | Guerin | asg: you stole my brain! |
| 21:03.50 | jelly-home | !win asg |
| 21:03.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 21:03.57 | jelly-home | ... that was a race |
| 21:04.01 | asg | Guerin: we're too hip to be square |
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| 21:04.40 | nescius | wols, http://rafb.net/p/767wGE24.html |
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| 21:05.15 | bzed | asg: wtfbbq? |
| 21:05.26 | sudo_maddash | wow, apt-spy just swallowed my sources.list |
| 21:05.37 | Guerin | sudo_maddash: as it does. |
| 21:05.39 | asg | bzed: Guerin is doing smoked eel |
| 21:05.43 | tvynr | Oh, hey. |
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| 21:05.45 | sudo_maddash | sources.list is officially 0B |
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| 21:05.52 | sudo_maddash | Guerin: so, wtf? |
| 21:06.06 | bzed | sudo_maddash: it usualyl should fill it with something useful again |
| 21:06.16 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.16 | n3kl | Why is my system only recognizing 1 of 3GB of memory? |
| 21:06.18 | RvGaTe | !status |
| 21:06.18 | dpkg | Since Thu Mar 8 12:05:03 2007, there have been 6 modifications, 149 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 59 commands. I have been awake for 9h 1m 15s this session, and currently reference 37199 factoids. I'm using about 14004 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 57.53/3.12 child 0/0 |
| 21:06.19 | Guerin | sudo_maddash: it's what it does. If you want it to be otherwise, i strongly advise you to back your sources.list up. |
| 21:06.19 | nescius | wols, i am missing some basic deb package essencial for building kernel |
| 21:06.51 | wols | yes you do. for starters libc6-dev, but get build-essential. there (almost) everything is contained |
| 21:06.58 | wols | nescius: and kernel-package and fakeroot of course |
| 21:07.03 | sudo_maddash | Guerin: good thing i did prior to apt-spying |
| 21:07.20 | nescius | wols, i do have kernel-package |
| 21:07.26 | h3sp4wn | nescius: probably ncurses-dev |
| 21:07.26 | wols | good |
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| 21:07.50 | h3sp4wn | nescius: (if you want to use make menuconfig) |
| 21:07.53 | bzed | nescius: install libncurses5-dev |
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| 21:08.29 | Vasistha | so, anyone know the ins-and-outs of udev and /dev/.static and user-friendly permissions? I'm hesitant to run a permissions-opening-script on startup... |
| 21:08.37 | nescius | h3sp4wn, dont need those, since i am only trying to use oldconfig and make-kpkg, which is my headacke |
| 21:08.43 | Laser | which program showed the things the monitor and the video card can do? |
| 21:08.51 | Laser | which command* |
| 21:08.53 | n3kl | Is there such things as a xen-bigmem kernel? |
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| 21:10.08 | valdyn | Vasistha: why would you need to mess with permissions? |
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| 21:11.40 | Vasistha | valdyn: I have some devices in the /dev/.static/dev that I would like to make available to all users; in particular, the fuse device, used with curlftpfs. But /dev/.static is 0700, and gets reset that way on reboot, and my /dev/fuse symlink gets deleted :P |
| 21:11.57 | jelly-home | valdyn: I wanted a group-writable /dev/xconsole |
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| 21:12.22 | valdyn | Vasistha: why not add users to the fuse group? |
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| 21:12.38 | thedonvaughn | how can I install the kernel headers in sarge? What's the package name, I cannot find it. |
| 21:12.51 | Vasistha | valdyn: I did. But /dev/.static is 0600 and the users can't access the symlink /dev/fuse -> /dev/.static/dev/fuse |
| 21:12.58 | jelly-home | Vasistha: add MODE="0666" to the fuse line in permissions.rules? |
| 21:13.27 | valdyn | Vasistha: /dev/.static is NOT to be used |
| 21:13.35 | jelly-home | Vasistha: and force loading of the module :-| |
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| 21:14.19 | Vasistha | valdyn: yeah? Well... curlftpfs attempts to access the device, /dev/fuse and that device does not exist. However, the device exists in /dev/.static/dev/fuse |
| 21:14.21 | jelly-home | thedonvaughn: kernel-headers-2.x-x-xxx |
| 21:14.30 | valdyn | Vasistha: the device node is created as soon as the module is loaded, by default. You can 'autoload' it by adding it to /etc/modules |
| 21:14.51 | thedonvaughn | jelly-home: is that in just the "main" repo? For some reason that package doesn't exist for me. |
| 21:14.54 | Vasistha | valdyn: ahha ... I will try that! |
| 21:15.12 | jelly-home | thedonvaughn: which one are you looking for? |
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| 21:15.33 | creft | creftop is my laptop |
| 21:15.44 | creft | ww |
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| 21:16.04 | jelly-home | thedonvaughn: the xxx need to match your running kernel-image-... package |
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| 21:16.26 | Vasistha | valdyn: hum... I did modprobe fuse, but still no /dev/fuse |
| 21:16.44 | Guerin | Vasistha: i have a box where /dev/fuse doesn't play |
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| 21:16.47 | Guerin | Vasistha: etch? |
| 21:16.51 | Vasistha | Guerin: yes. |
| 21:16.52 | jeward | If I add testing repositories to a sarge system and pin an application to testing, will everything else stay at stable? |
| 21:17.04 | RvGaTe | !tell mage about yourself |
| 21:17.10 | Guerin | Vasistha: seems to work on my sid box, though. I haven't tried on etch in a while. |
| 21:17.22 | thedonvaughn | jelly-home: thanks, you're right. I got it. |
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| 21:17.54 | Vasistha | Guerin: well... I mean, the device worked just fine when I symlinked it from /dev/.static/dev/fuse and opened permissions on /dev/static ... but I guess that's not the "right" way to do things. |
| 21:18.08 | Guerin | Vasistha: ah, interesting. |
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| 21:18.13 | jelly-home | jeward: possible but unlikely |
| 21:18.21 | Guerin | Vasistha: i hadn't tried that. |
| 21:18.30 | valdyn | Vasistha: grep -iR fuse /etc/udev/ |
| 21:18.38 | nekostar | sigh |
| 21:18.45 | jelly-home | jeward: the packages from testing may have other testing-only dependencies |
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| 21:18.51 | jeward | jelly-home: Is there a way to keep a system at sarge except for pinned packaes? |
| 21:19.06 | jeward | jelly-home: So only the required packages from testing will be installed? |
| 21:19.06 | nekostar | so ive been reading various articals |
| 21:19.07 | Guerin | jeward: use backports |
| 21:19.17 | jelly-home | jeward: use backports of you don't want common dependencies like libc6 to get upgraded |
| 21:19.18 | nekostar | what is the effect of hte unification of debian project on the distro do you think? |
| 21:19.18 | Vasistha | /etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rules:KERNEL=="fuse", GROUP="fuse" |
| 21:19.18 | Vasistha | /etc/udev/permissions.rules:KERNEL=="fuse", GROUP="fuse" |
| 21:19.20 | ma3x | hey, could my laptop explode when I leave it 24/7 and burn down the house? is it possible? |
| 21:19.22 | jeward | Guerin: Ah, hadn't thought of that. |
| 21:19.30 | nekostar | the call for a yearly release / regular release schedule ? |
| 21:19.41 | Vasistha | ma3x: if you have a macbook, probably! |
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| 21:19.49 | Laser | which command shows the things the monitor and the video card can do? |
| 21:19.50 | valdyn | Vasistha: that part looked fine |
| 21:19.50 | Vasistha | ma3x: or a dell or sony battery... |
| 21:19.57 | Guerin | nekostar: seems you weant #ubuntu |
| 21:19.58 | ma3x | Vasistha: why, what's wrong with macbook or sony battery? |
| 21:20.09 | Guerin | ma3x: they blow up and burn your shit down |
| 21:20.11 | nekostar | also Vasistha are you trying to access ntfs? |
| 21:20.14 | nekostar | Guerin: no |
| 21:20.15 | valdyn | Vasistha: maybe the fuse modules was already loaded |
| 21:20.23 | jelly-home | jeward: well, it is true that only the required packages from testing will be installed, but that may be a bit more than you expect |
| 21:20.30 | Vasistha | nekostar: nope, curlftpfs. |
| 21:20.33 | valdyn | Vasistha: rm /dev/fuse && modprobe -r fuse && modprpobe fuse |
| 21:20.44 | ma3x | Guerin: and others don't? |
| 21:20.47 | jeward | jelly-home: I'll try backports. |
| 21:20.51 | Guerin | ma3x: apparently not |
| 21:20.52 | Vasistha | valdyn: hum, that's possible. okay, I'll do the modprobe -r and see what happens |
| 21:20.57 | jelly-home | jeward: you can use apt-get or aptitude's -s (--dry-run) option to see what would happen |
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| 21:21.07 | ma3x | Guerin: do you leave your comp 24/7 on ? |
| 21:21.29 | Guerin | ma3x: yes. |
| 21:21.33 | Vasistha | valdyn: ahha, that did it! Thanks. So I'll see what happens next reboot. |
| 21:21.35 | streuner | ma3x: most people does |
| 21:21.37 | ma3x | Guerin: nothing ever happened? |
| 21:21.49 | Guerin | ma3x: i don't leave my laptop on 24x7 |
| 21:21.54 | ma3x | Guerin: why not? |
| 21:21.57 | jeward | jelly-home: backports works! ;-) |
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| 21:22.03 | Guerin | ma3x: because laptops aren't designed for it. |
| 21:22.14 | nekostar | Vasistha: ah |
| 21:22.22 | ma3x | I do leave mine. |
| 21:22.25 | jelly-home | jeward: great! |
| 21:22.30 | Vasistha | ma3x: there's a problem with imac power sources, and some dell/sony batteries have been known to explode. I saw a pretty fantastic video of a dell battery exploding during a conference in Japan! |
| 21:22.31 | ma3x | guess nothing bad will happen |
| 21:22.40 | Guerin | !guess |
| 21:22.40 | dpkg | [guess] a hypothesis based on nothing |
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| 21:23.14 | happy_broccoli | is there a signal i can send from a child process to its parent in bash so that if the child quits, the parent will to? |
| 21:23.14 | ma3x | well Guerin, I guess the chances my laptops gonna explode are the same your desktop would |
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| 21:23.16 | jelly-home | my thinpad has been left to run for days |
| 21:23.31 | jelly-home | thinKpad, it's my no means thin |
| 21:23.43 | bzed | happy_broccoli: start the child with foobar & and then use wait |
| 21:23.44 | valdyn | mine is pretty much always on for near 3 years |
| 21:23.55 | nekostar | Guerin: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7249600211.html |
| 21:23.57 | ma3x | valdyn: so it's safe.. |
| 21:24.11 | valdyn | ma3x: i cant know about your laptop |
| 21:24.13 | Vasistha | valdyn: as a related question: in the past, I created several named pipes, /dev/pipe4anyone and /dev/pipeforanyone2, etc.. I guess when upgrading to etch those were moved into /dev/.static/dev ... I'm going to guess the advise is probably "don't use those" ... and yet they're so convenient for general use, and /dev seems an appropriate place for them. |
| 21:24.15 | jelly-home | ma3x: can't vouch for any other model |
| 21:24.39 | valdyn | Vasistha: those should be in /tmp/ |
| 21:24.39 | happy_broccoli | bzed: but if something goes wrong in the child i want the parent to die too. does your wait idea work for that? |
| 21:24.44 | ChaosR | ok, answer this question: name one function an avarage user would want that linux has and windows hasn't |
| 21:24.48 | waspius | does anyone use voip ? |
| 21:24.55 | ChaosR | because I can't |
| 21:24.57 | Guerin | !anyone use voip? |
| 21:24.57 | dpkg | No, no one uses voip, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:25.07 | ma3x | so let's say it stops working suddenly. what could be burned? battery or cpu usually? |
| 21:25.07 | gnube | ChaosR, host |
| 21:25.08 | ChaosR | the answers are not: stability, security, no spyware |
| 21:25.16 | Vasistha | valdyn: ahh, that sounds like a good place for them. As a related question... when does stuff in /tmp get deleted automatically by the system? |
| 21:25.16 | JoshH | tuxracer? |
| 21:25.27 | valdyn | Vasistha: reboot |
| 21:25.31 | nekostar | Guerin: see what i mean there ? |
| 21:25.40 | Guerin | ChaosR: no spyware is definitely the one. |
| 21:25.43 | nekostar | ChaosR: voip is nice |
| 21:25.45 | Guerin | nekostar: no. |
| 21:25.48 | jelly-home | ChaosR: your question comes off as a bit trollish |
| 21:25.54 | Vasistha | valdyn: so I guess the thing to do is make a script that creates them at boot time, if that's something I want to have always available? |
| 21:25.56 | ChaosR | not the idea |
| 21:25.58 | nekostar | Murdock urges the Debian community to make Debian more accessible to the industry. "That means a predictable release cycle" he writes, insisting on a new stable every 12 to 18 months, versus the three years Sarge took to get out the door. Murdock adds that a regular release schedule will also keep Debian derivative distributions such as Xandros, Linspire, MEPIS, and Ubuntu from drifting into incompatibility with their roots -- a serious probl |
| 21:26.03 | Guerin | nekostar: don't fucking paste |
| 21:26.04 | bzed | happy_broccoli: why don't you jsut run the child? can't see the reason to use wait usually |
| 21:26.12 | nekostar | that's the particular comment in question |
| 21:26.17 | ChaosR | I'm trying a die-hard windows user to let him use linux |
| 21:26.24 | Guerin | ChaosR: why? |
| 21:26.26 | happy_broccoli | bzed: cause im running a lot of children. and i want an easy way to exit from any one of them |
| 21:26.26 | nekostar | [i only pasted one line ~_~] |
| 21:26.27 | valdyn | Vasistha: yea, im not sure what the fhs sais about this, but /usr/local/ is a good place for persistent stuff |
| 21:26.35 | Guerin | ChaosR: if he doesn't want to, let him be. |
| 21:26.39 | ChaosR | Guerin: because linux is so much better |
| 21:26.51 | Guerin | ChaosR: so tell him that. |
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| 21:26.55 | ChaosR | the point is, I can't answer that question, and I need to |
| 21:26.58 | n3kl | Does the xen kernelsupport more than a gig of memory? |
| 21:27.04 | jelly-home | ChaosR: it's not so much better. Hardware just works on windows. |
| 21:27.08 | Guerin | nekostar: yes. |
| 21:27.09 | craigevil | nekostar: Debian releases when its ready, not when its still buggy as hell like other distros |
| 21:27.11 | Guerin | beh |
| 21:27.17 | Guerin | n3kl: yes. |
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| 21:27.19 | bzed | happy_broccoli: you could do dirty things with >3 or so. or just create a file.. but if you really wanna do it in bash, go to #bash |
| 21:27.22 | valdyn | Vasistha: in debian i would not ever touch debian-maintained directories or files, whenever avoidable, like /usr/ ( except local ), /dev/ /var etc |
| 21:27.24 | Guerin | !tell nekostar about advocacy troll |
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| 21:28.04 | nekostar | lol |
| 21:28.13 | nekostar | Guerin: i'm no advocasy troll |
| 21:28.17 | ChaosR | jelly-home: not true, atleast not for me |
| 21:28.18 | Vasistha | valdyn: alright, I'll keep that in mind, thanks |
| 21:28.25 | Guerin | nekostar: that's quite explicitly what you're doing. |
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| 21:28.31 | n3kl | Guerin: is there something that i have to do to make it use the extra ram? |
| 21:28.40 | nekostar | i was actually wondering if one person, however influential's desires would change the WIR policy |
| 21:28.46 | DocPlatypus | I may make a Debian GNU/kOpenBSD port but first I have to make sure nobody else is working on one first |
| 21:28.49 | jelly-home | ChaosR: I use it a) because I'm used to it, b) maintainability and working upgrades (Debian), c) virtual desktops ;-) |
| 21:28.52 | Guerin | n3kl: no idea - i just know my vhost runs with much more than 1G |
| 21:28.54 | nekostar | which should be a fair question given the person making the comment |
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| 21:29.04 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: nice |
| 21:29.14 | DocPlatypus | err |
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| 21:29.28 | n3kl | Guerin: and if you cat /proc/meminfo, it reports more than a gig? |
| 21:29.31 | DocPlatypus | that was intended for #gnu actually, but applies here too I guess |
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| 21:29.48 | nekostar | DocPlatypus: debian+openbsd ? |
| 21:29.52 | justin | DocPlatypus: someone was working on debian/openbsd a while ago |
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| 21:30.08 | Guerin | n3kl: my client xen instance has less than 1G; i mean the host has more. |
| 21:30.09 | ChaosR | jelly-home: I use it because a) it is not windows b) it much easier to use c) it does not crash d) you don't have to defragment e) you don't need to reinstall every 2 months |
| 21:30.18 | DocPlatypus | justin: they were? URL? |
| 21:30.25 | justin | DocPlatypus: yes. dunno |
| 21:30.35 | Guerin | ChaosR: these things clearly aren't a problem for him. |
| 21:30.45 | Vasistha | ma3x: here's the imac burning adapter page: http://zinkconsulting.com/burningadapter/ |
| 21:30.55 | Rydekull | hrm, guys, etch doesnt have libapache2-mod-auth-mysql, any suggestion for a solution to use services that require it? Is it some backport available or something similiar? |
| 21:31.03 | ChaosR | Guerin: I do not care about him, I care about not being able to answer the question |
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| 21:31.06 | n3kl | Guerin: right, right... My host has 3 gig, but when I type free ( from the host) or cat /proc/meminfo, its only reporting 1Gb. Now I know why the server is responding slowly. |
| 21:31.22 | Guerin | ChaosR: the answer is `no spyware, no viruses' |
| 21:31.36 | abrotman | Rydekull: is it in sid ? |
| 21:31.42 | jelly-home | ChaosR: your e) is ~ my b) , a) is dumb.. what's in a name? b) is debatable, and as for c) my win2003 hasn't crashed in 2-3 years, and my XP has crashed only when I messed with its partition |
| 21:31.42 | Guerin | n3kl: oh, i see. Sorry, can't help you. |
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| 21:32.07 | Rydekull | abrotman: seemingly so, ya think it'd work to get it from sid? |
| 21:32.13 | abrotman | Rydekull: alternately .. ask the apache people |
| 21:32.16 | ma3x | Vasistha: that's just the cable |
| 21:32.18 | abrotman | Rydekull: try to build it from source |
| 21:32.27 | abrotman | !info libapache2-mod-auth-mysql sid |
| 21:32.31 | abrotman | !why is libapache2-mod-auth-mysql not in testing |
| 21:32.32 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-auth-mysql is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 21:32.33 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-auth-mysql: (Apache 2 module for MySQL authentication), section net, is optional. Version: 4.3.9-3 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 21:32.34 | ma3x | I was thinking if anything inside .. |
| 21:32.45 | n3kl | Guerin: you passing any kernel options at boot? |
| 21:32.52 | Vasistha | ma3x: well, he didn't actually photograph the thing when it was sparking and threatening to start a fire ... it's rather an aftermath photo |
| 21:33.05 | abrotman | Rydekull: damn package just needs an NMU |
| 21:33.15 | ChaosR | jelly-home: when linux works, it keeps working, when windows works, random bugs show up |
| 21:33.24 | Rydekull | abrotman: so there was a factoid, I asked dpkg about it but I didnt find it, I wonder if I did a typo |
| 21:33.27 | Rydekull | abrotman: NMU? |
| 21:33.31 | abrotman | !nmu |
| 21:33.31 | dpkg | from memory, nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 21:33.38 | Vasistha | ma3x: here's the exploding dell laptop: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32723 |
| 21:33.44 | jelly-home | ChaosR: windows nt series (2000+) can be really stable, so if your friend has that kind of experience, e) is not going to be an argument for him either |
| 21:33.47 | abrotman | Rydekull: some DD should fix the Dep list and just build/upload |
| 21:33.48 | ChaosR | jelly-home: I once tried this on my computer: I turned it on, logged in, walked away, returned 48 hours later, and found 6 error messages |
| 21:33.51 | twobitsprite | does anyone use uae in here? It keeps segfaulting on me |
| 21:33.52 | Rydekull | abrotman: aha |
| 21:34.09 | ChaosR | jelly-home: in the days I was using windows XP |
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| 21:34.17 | ChaosR | those days* |
| 21:34.23 | n3kl | I have windows 2003 servers that have not been rebooted in over a yeaar, ChaosR. |
| 21:34.32 | tuvwx | i'm considering buying a new laptop as my current one would cost about 1/3 a new one's price to repair :(. Can debian use amd64's fully now or is it going to take some time to get there? |
| 21:34.33 | Rydekull | abrotman: thanks man :) |
| 21:35.05 | ChaosR | hmm, what is with all this 'windows is also a great OS' |
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| 21:35.46 | n3kl | tuvwx: last I tried, it was more a pain that it was worth it. I ended up having to run a seperate installation on a chroot for things like mplayer and all the apps that I used. That was about six months ago. |
| 21:36.32 | abrotman | Rydekull: maybe contact the apache list (lists.debian.org) and see if someone will do an NMU .. though it might not make it this late |
| 21:36.33 | n3kl | tuvwx: but I am running the 686 on my turion without issues and when deb64 is ready, I will utilize it then |
| 21:36.36 | gnube | I am getting lots of Zombies sucking up bandwidth in my deb repository. What are they trying to do? Find a flaw in the .deb files? |
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| 21:37.01 | gnube | Since they are Zombies they are using dynamic IPs, tough to block them. |
| 21:37.12 | Rydekull | abrotman: yeah, I find it somewhat weird that it isnt in |
| 21:37.30 | gnube | Oh, is abrotman online tonight? w00t. |
| 21:37.50 | abrotman | hi ? |
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| 21:38.01 | gnube | Hi. =) |
| 21:38.22 | gnube | We have chatted previously but obviously you do not remember me. |
| 21:38.29 | abrotman | i do |
| 21:38.31 | gnube | I guess I am not memorable. :) |
| 21:38.36 | gnube | Oh cool. |
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| 21:39.24 | gnube | Always glad to see you in this channel, you usually have all the answers. |
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| 21:40.33 | Vasistha | hummm... "The ieee80211 Stack is also in the newer Linux mainline kernel, but it isn't compatible with the version used for the rtl-wifi project" ... the project advises removing the directory. I am tempted to rename it something like "ieee80211-default" ... but would the incompatible modules still be loaded, if that renamed directory exists in /lib/modules/<mykernel> ? |
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| 21:40.55 | gnube | chello080108054071.11.11.vie.surfer.at 08/Mar/2007 20:26:49 GET /deb_repository//source HTTP/1.1 301 378 - Java/1.4.1_04 |
| 21:41.10 | gnube | Why would someone want to slurp my deb repository? |
| 21:41.12 | Vasistha | wols: oh, btw, I think I'm on the verge of getting my card working -- the project forked and is now at http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 21:41.21 | gnube | in a programmatic way no less. |
| 21:41.42 | Vasistha | gnube: maybe it's just some kind of crawler? |
| 21:41.59 | gnube | Vasistha, That is what I tought, so I forbade it in robots.txt |
| 21:42.07 | gnube | But it does not listen |
| 21:42.56 | Vasistha | gnube: maybe someone's planning to create a new mirror? Or is it actually a bunch of people, not just one? |
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| 21:43.26 | gnube | Vasistha, That is the thing, it is a bunch of dynamic IP addresses |
| 21:43.44 | gnube | Vasistha, I am not sure why they want my debs and nothing else. |
| 21:44.19 | waspius | i want to install flashplayer..i downloaded the package but i dont know the directory..any help? |
| 21:44.31 | waspius | are they all in etc/lib/? |
| 21:44.48 | gnube | do you know where you downloaded the tar.gz file? |
| 21:44.56 | waspius | yes |
| 21:44.59 | gnube | waspius, There is a README there that can help you |
| 21:45.07 | waspius | i extracted it and run it |
| 21:45.52 | waspius | but i dont know where to locate the browsers |
| 21:45.53 | gnube | look in .mozilla |
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| 21:46.05 | waspius | /home/.mozilla? |
| 21:46.19 | gnube | waspius, You mean you do not know where to put the plugin? |
| 21:46.26 | waspius | yes |
| 21:46.45 | gnube | waspius, Yeah, /home/<you>/.mozilla/<strange string>/plugins |
| 21:46.58 | gnube | waspius, Or something like that. |
| 21:47.03 | waspius | ok thanx allot |
| 21:47.27 | gnube | waspius, Sure, hope that helped. |
| 21:47.41 | jeward | If I pin one or two packages to testing in /etc/apt/preferences, why would apt-get then pull a kernel from testing? |
| 21:48.13 | gnube | jeward, Do those pinned packages rely on a new kernel? |
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| 21:48.30 | jeward | gnube: I don't think so? |
| 21:48.42 | jeward | gnube: How do I tell? |
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| 21:49.48 | gnube | jeward, Well I suppose you could investigate the packages themselves to see what type of dependencies they requrie. |
| 21:49.51 | gnube | require. |
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| 21:50.11 | jeward | gnube: No worry I guess, it's only affecting one server. |
| 21:50.29 | gnube | jeward, Sorry I can't provide more help. |
| 21:50.39 | jeward | gnube: Thabnks anyway! |
| 21:50.41 | gnube | I am not sure what that scenario would happen. |
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| 21:50.44 | jememe | hey guys i have these speakers: Creative Inspire P5800 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker when i plug them in and listen to music through them i only hear it comming out of the two front speakers and the sub the other two rear and center dont work, any ideas why sound is not comming out of them? i heard i had to do something special to get them to work? |
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| 21:51.23 | dustybin | jememe are u using gnome? |
| 21:51.28 | jememe | kde |
| 21:51.35 | Vasistha | jeward: you can search for the packages and check dependencies here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 21:52.41 | dustybin | try and find the audio preferences GUI and mess around with volumes |
| 21:52.41 | housel | can anyone here answer a question about dpkg-buildpackage package building? |
| 21:52.42 | xand | no |
| 21:52.42 | dustybin | no |
| 21:52.42 | jememe | dustybin, they are all up |
| 21:52.42 | gnube | eek. sorry. |
| 21:52.43 | housel | where would I go for that sort of question? |
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| 21:52.51 | Flimzy | I am using Cricket on a 4-CPU system, however Cricket seems to believe it's reporting on a single-CPU system. vmstat shows 6% 'wait', for instance; cricket shows 24% wait. vmstat shows 70% idle, cricket shows 280% idle. How do I convince cricket to divide its values by 4? |
| 21:53.10 | gnube | housel, Well, you should find someone here I would think. |
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| 21:54.11 | waspius | well i dont make any sence...i am trying to install flashplayer on my browsers but i cannot find the directories..the one in home does not work plus it does not include the other browsers |
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| 21:54.38 | tuvwx | any recent amd64 users can comment on debian support for amd64? |
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| 21:55.43 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I have Intel Core2 CPU. I've compiled SMP enabled kernel and selected CPU type 'core2/newer cxeon'. However, in /proc/cpuinfo I can still see only one cpu and `top` also displays only one. Is this normal? |
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| 21:56.19 | jememe | anyone |
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| 21:58.38 | troubleboy | i am trying to get mozilla-plugin-gnash to work, but all i get is a grey field for where the flash content should be |
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| 21:58.42 | troubleboy | what's wrong |
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| 21:59.46 | Thaiger | How do I force cp to overwrite an already existing file |
| 22:00.02 | streuner | abrotman: ping |
| 22:00.11 | maddash | Thaiger: it does by default |
| 22:00.36 | abrotman | jhio |
| 22:00.36 | Thaiger | maddash: Not for me, I check my aliases too and no luck |
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| 22:00.52 | maddash | Thaiger: what msg do you get? |
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| 22:00.56 | abrotman | streuner: pong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:00.58 | streuner | abrotman: What's up with 'thomas_adam'? |
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| 22:01.19 | streuner | abrotman: isn't he in -OT usually? |
| 22:01.22 | abrotman | i haven't seen him in awhile .. he bailed a good time ago .. but he's still on freenode |
| 22:01.27 | abrotman | streuner: not anymore .. he was there a few times |
| 22:01.33 | streuner | ic |
| 22:01.36 | Thaiger | maddash: cp: overwrite: '/path/to/file'? |
| 22:01.56 | abrotman | streuner: what's up with 'g4lt' ? |
| 22:01.57 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:01.59 | abrotman | :sing g4lt |
| 22:02.04 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 22:02.04 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
| 22:02.06 | abrotman | yay! |
| 22:02.15 | maddash | Thaiger: it's a permissions-related problem. |
| 22:02.16 | streuner | abrotman: didn't see him in years... |
| 22:02.25 | maddash | Thaiger: try it as sudo |
| 22:02.36 | Thaiger | maddash: I'm root |
| 22:02.49 | waspius | has no one installed flashplayer before? |
| 22:02.56 | waspius | to tell me where i install it? |
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| 22:03.31 | valdyn | !info flushplugin-nonfree |
| 22:03.37 | valdyn | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:03.38 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.3 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 22:03.39 | abrotman | streuner: we should find him :) |
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| 22:04.04 | maddash | Thaiger: then man cp |
| 22:04.17 | waspius | valdyn: i have flashplayer i just dont know the directories it should go into for firefox,epiphany etc |
| 22:04.49 | valdyn | waspius: yea, that is why you should install the debian package |
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| 22:05.15 | waspius | ok..i will try..thanx |
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| 22:06.44 | diskus | debian has flashplayer 9? |
| 22:06.55 | Vasistha | valdyn: thanks again for your wonderful help. fuse was properly loaded on reboot, and curlftpfs is working great, without any questionable permission tweaking and symlinking! |
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| 22:07.47 | craigevil | diskus: yes in Etch and Sid and probably in backports for Sarge |
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| 22:08.19 | sohmestra | where can I find a list of current wifi chipsets/cards which have in-kernel drivers? |
| 22:08.27 | abrotman | kernel.org ? |
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| 22:10.00 | troubleboy | can nobody help me with my gnash question? |
| 22:10.13 | waspius | what should i add to sources.list so that i can have contrib in it? |
| 22:10.55 | robin_sz | tomatoes? |
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| 22:11.13 | robin_sz | wait, sources list, not sauces list? |
| 22:11.45 | robin_sz | is this #rec.cookery.italian?? |
| 22:11.58 | mutantpineapple2 | lol |
| 22:12.33 | robin_sz | waspius, deb http://download.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 22:12.45 | robin_sz | like that .. just add contrib to the end of the line |
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| 22:13.06 | robin_sz | using whatever mirror you are already using |
| 22:13.11 | waspius | robin_sz: thanx |
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| 22:14.48 | karsten | tvynr: |
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| 22:16.21 | tuvwx | on an amd64 machine, are there still a lot of apps that need a chroot? or is ia32-libs sufficient to run everything? |
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| 22:16.33 | g333k_work | Hi, for a AMD mobile sempron processor do I have to use the k7 kernel? |
| 22:16.41 | sohmestra | abrotman: thanks. anything outside the kernel source? |
| 22:17.02 | abrotman | google? .. #wireless ? |
| 22:17.20 | doomed | im doomed |
| 22:17.24 | doomed | can somebody help please |
| 22:17.30 | abrotman | !doom doomed |
| 22:17.34 | abrotman | worth a shot |
| 22:17.44 | doomed | abrotman, can't be worse then that |
| 22:17.55 | amphi | !penixstrike doomed |
| 22:17.55 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking doomed to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:18.12 | robin_sz | !moon |
| 22:18.12 | dpkg | ( * ) |
| 22:18.15 | vn- | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professionnel - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) up: 3wks 2days 18hrs 2mins 59secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ at 2210MHz (0% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT 256MB res: 1680x1050 32bit 60Hz ram: 1191/2046.48MB (58.2%) [||||||----] hdd: 3 C:\ 63.23GB/195.31GB Free V:\ 35.36GB/37.57GB Free Z:\ 51.32GB/232.88GB Free net: NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller - Miniport d'ordonnancement de paqu |
| 22:18.18 | doomed | i used ddcprobe to find out how to config the xf86config but it still doesn't work. |
| 22:18.24 | robin_sz | dpkg: moon is also http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/ |
| 22:18.25 | dpkg | robin_sz: okay |
| 22:18.38 | doomed | i mean that it starts x but it shows bogus colors |
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| 22:18.54 | amphi | !drxx doomed |
| 22:18.55 | dpkg | doomed: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 22:18.57 | abrotman | vn-: turn it off |
| 22:19.03 | darkyoshi372 | hi, how do I install a .debdiff file? |
| 22:19.08 | Bogus8_ | doomed: please don't take my name in vain ;) |
| 22:19.37 | doomed | i won't :) |
| 22:19.51 | sohmestra | abrotman: didn't know about #wireless, but "I don't know" or silence would have been as helpful and less annoying than "google" and "kernel.org" |
| 22:19.53 | waspius | well i installed it..got some errors..and i dont work... |
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| 22:20.04 | Bogus8_ | doomed: you shall be saved come the rapture ;) |
| 22:20.10 | amphi | !tell sohmestra about wireless |
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| 22:20.16 | abrotman | sohmestra: those are both valid places to look .. especially kernel.org .. the Documentation folder has TONS of information |
| 22:20.24 | sohmestra | amphi: thanks |
| 22:20.28 | abrotman | sohmestra: that said .. it also very much depends on your kernel version |
| 22:20.48 | abrotman | sohmestra: for example .. bcm43xx won't work in <2.6.17 IIRC .. but anything newer has it (though you still need firmware) |
| 22:21.16 | tuvwx | ubuntu ships with firmware! |
| 22:21.30 | Ankman | ah bcm43xx |
| 22:21.34 | abrotman | sohmestra: though from what i gather .. you're looking for a firmware-less driver ? |
| 22:21.50 | abrotman | my mac-mini had great luck with bcm43xx |
| 22:21.52 | amphi | sohmestra: rt2500 is fwless FWIW |
| 22:21.57 | sohmestra | abrotman: yes, if possible. I've got a bcm43xx card |
| 22:22.12 | Ankman | need to extract the firmware |
| 22:22.14 | sohmestra | abrotman: but would like to avoid the whole firmware thing. |
| 22:22.15 | abrotman | sohmestra: i'm not aware of a single 11g card that is fully open .. many 11b are |
| 22:22.34 | abrotman | sohmestra: erm .. maybe prism54.org |
| 22:22.50 | abrotman | i think those drivers are open .. but i don't think they are in kernel |
| 22:22.58 | abrotman | (could be wrong though) |
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| 22:23.43 | Ankman | mine sucks, works with third party |
| 22:23.48 | h3sp4wn | sohmestra: I think prism54 is incomplete (wpa is broken) |
| 22:23.48 | Ankman | WPC-11 v.4 |
| 22:23.50 | Ankman | PITA |
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| 22:24.16 | abrotman | wpa is for babies! :) |
| 22:24.53 | xingu | wpa is for people who can't work out how to make transport mode ipsec work |
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| 22:24.58 | sohmestra | tuvwx: wep + vpn |
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| 22:25.17 | doomed | amphi, i'll try and be back with a result |
| 22:25.32 | tuvwx | wep setup is disastrous. i'd have to remember a long meaningless key |
| 22:25.54 | sohmestra | xingu: or would like their clueless friends to be able to use their network easily. |
| 22:26.00 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.31 | tuvwx | wols, i use wpa, but trying to understand what could be used instead of wpa |
| 22:26.33 | wols | sohmestra: why wep in the first place |
| 22:26.39 | Guerin | well, not quite useless |
| 22:26.43 | wols | tuvwx: openvpn, ipsec, etc |
| 22:26.47 | Guerin | tuvwx: ipsec |
| 22:27.13 | tuvwx | wols, wouldn't wpa incur less overhead |
| 22:27.15 | tuvwx | ? |
| 22:27.17 | wols | Guerin: what would it be good for when you use ipsec? |
| 22:27.24 | wols | tuvwx: than what? |
| 22:27.38 | wols | WPA2 uses 128bit AES, a vpn uses 128bit AES |
| 22:27.39 | Guerin | wols: it's marginally better than NO encryption |
| 22:27.42 | wols | looks about the same for me |
| 22:27.44 | tuvwx | wols, than openvpn or ipsec or etc |
| 22:27.57 | h3sp4wn | xingu: I know how to use ipsec, If I can ever get the ubsec driver to work with ocf-linux then I switch to ipsec |
| 22:28.10 | tuvwx | wols, yes but wpa encryption can be performed in hardware |
| 22:28.22 | wols | AES can be performed in hardware yes |
| 22:28.31 | wols | and it doesn't matter what protocol uses AES |
| 22:28.38 | h3sp4wn | So can 3des |
| 22:28.58 | h3sp4wn | and others |
| 22:29.21 | tuvwx | wols, i thought wlan hardware can perform AES, so that would be for wpa only, wouldn't it? |
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| 22:29.35 | tuvwx | wols, regardless of other hardware capable of doing so |
| 22:29.38 | wols | tuvwx: probably |
| 22:29.44 | Vasistha | Ankman: wait, are you using a linksys wpc-11 v.4? I think that's the card I have that I just got working |
| 22:29.51 | wols | but most everyone uses wpa-supplicant no? |
| 22:29.56 | abrotman | mine is open |
| 22:30.05 | xingu | wep can be useful; a nids parked between a restricted mode wep56 bss perimeter and a vpn concentrator will let you know when someone's taking the piss. |
| 22:30.08 | wols | abrotman: WLAN? |
| 22:30.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:30.19 | wols | currently mine is unencrypted but I do MAC filtering |
| 22:30.27 | wols | and I check my logs once in a while |
| 22:30.34 | abrotman | anything important i have to do goes over ssl, etc .. |
| 22:30.43 | abrotman | ohnoes .. they're sniffing #debian" |
| 22:30.58 | heh_v_water | yes but look here.. wep isn't useless.. yes you can watch the packets, yes you can break the encryption but this is for the password to log on.. I don't honestly think somebody is going to be cracking wep datastreams |
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| 22:31.03 | tuvwx | wols, so? wpasupplicant is driver-aware, and <should> be able to delegate aes to the hardware if the driver supports it |
| 22:31.07 | abrotman | wols: there are two houses in range .. one guy i know .. the other i doubt is smart enough to do it |
| 22:31.11 | fallingdutch | anyone familiar with lx-office? i have problems connecting to a postgresql database using ssl (on another box) |
| 22:31.20 | abrotman | wols: and they're not really close enough to get a reliable read |
| 22:31.53 | wols | abrotman: were a bit more packed here. but from when I started out, I know what people have WLAN. so far it seems 2 people in range |
| 22:32.00 | xingu | abrotman: depending on which plane I align my notebook along I can see a different set of no fewer than 6 ap's at any given instant. :) |
| 22:32.08 | wols | they (mistakenly) let their windows boxes attach to my AP |
| 22:32.18 | abrotman | xingu: do you live in a complex ? |
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| 22:33.05 | karsten | abrotman: I live in a simplex. |
| 22:33.13 | xingu | abrotman: five floor flat; one of thousands. :) |
| 22:33.17 | abrotman | karsten: noone wants your data :) |
| 22:33.22 | abrotman | xingu: right .. that's what i mean |
| 22:33.31 | heh_v_water | I'd like to find out how to set up a secure AP running wep/wpa WITHOUT requiring authentication |
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| 22:33.42 | abrotman | xingu: there's also a brick wall or two in the way for me :) |
| 22:33.48 | eshaase | i turned off my dislpay manager by editing some file in /etc/X11/default* to contain 'false' and now I want gdm back, so i replaced 'false' with /usr/sbin/gdm but it doesn't get brought up during boot, any ideas? |
| 22:33.50 | xingu | heh |
| 22:33.57 | abrotman | /usr/bin/gdm |
| 22:34.02 | xingu | my i3945-fu goes right through brick and mirror and wood. |
| 22:34.10 | xingu | s/mirror/glass/ |
| 22:34.20 | Vasistha | heh, I remember being in this hostel in Chicago where they wanted $10/day to use their wireless access. I sat by a window and was able to detect no fewer than 25 AP's. And... I was unable to get ANY of them working. grr. So I went to the cafe across the street and used their network for the price of a tea. |
| 22:34.33 | eshaase | abrotman: 'which gdm' -> /usr/sbin/gdm |
| 22:34.42 | abrotman | Vasistha: so much for those friendly mid-western folk |
| 22:34.47 | abrotman | !find bin/gdm sarge |
| 22:34.51 | heh_v_water | my idea is.. I have chillispot running on my AP so the auth is managed there but I'd like the datastream encrypted without anothe rpassword/cert/key |
| 22:34.53 | abrotman | eshaase: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 22:34.56 | Vasistha | abrotman: well, the people in the cafe were pretty nice! |
| 22:34.58 | eshaase | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 22:35.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gdm' (1): (/usr/sbin/gdmconfig, /usr/bin/{gdm|gdmXnest|gdmXnestchooser|...}) in gnome/gdm. |
| 22:35.21 | abrotman | xingu: i also have friends that stop by .. and i'd have to set them up etc .. what a pain |
| 22:35.33 | abrotman | eshaase: see ... /usr/bin/gdm |
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| 22:35.55 | xingu | abrotman: I solved that problem a long time ago by making sure I'd turn out a friendless loser |
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| 22:36.15 | xingu | people suck; you can fix a broken system |
| 22:36.43 | Vasistha | xingu: meh... I've seen a few broken people fixed, but it's often more difficult than fixing a system... |
| 22:36.45 | abrotman | xingu: hehe |
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| 22:38.04 | Vasistha | xingu: although, of course, I've found in the last year that I'm much happier staying indoors than trying to go outside and interact with people. |
| 22:38.12 | Guychi | Hi! Is there a way I can truncate a file in place? E.g. chop off the first 1GB of a large file, when I don't have enough free disk space to dd the rest of it first? |
| 22:38.47 | Vasistha | I wonder if sed -i can do that |
| 22:39.00 | peterS | Guychi: the _first_ 1 GB? no, the linux kernel does not support that |
| 22:39.22 | Guychi | peterS: how about the last GB? |
| 22:39.24 | peterS | Guychi: you can truncate a file to 0 bytes by saying ": > filename" |
| 22:39.33 | xingu | I wonder if dd <infile | dd >infile can do that |
| 22:39.44 | Guychi | peterS: chopping off the last GB will also do the trick for me |
| 22:39.45 | karsten | xingu: Nope |
| 22:39.54 | karsten | xingu: You're overwriting the input as you open the file for output. |
| 22:39.55 | eshaase | abrotman: i ran dpkg-reconfigure gdm and it didn't seem to do the trick either =( |
| 22:39.59 | peterS | Guychi: for the last GB, you can use dd bs=1M skip=3000 count=0 of=filename < /dev/null or something like that |
| 22:40.01 | xingu | karsten: note the | |
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| 22:40.08 | abrotman | eshaase: try /usr/bin/gdm |
| 22:40.11 | karsten | xingu: Note my answer. |
| 22:40.15 | Vasistha | xingu: I kinda doubt it, it probably deletes the file before starting the output |
| 22:40.16 | peterS | Guychi: wait, it is seek=3000 not skip=3000 |
| 22:40.17 | karsten | xingu: or better yet: try it. |
| 22:40.19 | abrotman | eshaase: the file is /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 22:40.29 | doomed | it's still the same |
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| 22:40.43 | doomed | bogus colors |
| 22:40.56 | peterS | xingu: you want conv=notrunc on the second dd |
| 22:41.23 | eshaase | abrotman: i already edited that file to contain /usr/sbin/gdm |
| 22:41.31 | eshaase | abrotman: ok, let me try /usr/bin/gdm |
| 22:41.31 | chronographer | Hi all i have a question, im installing a printer drivers (lexmark z65 cups) and using a ubuntu guide... i have been told to do this: add this to fstab: usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=14,devmode=0660 0 0 is this right for debian? i think debian has a different way of mounting usb things??? |
| 22:41.36 | karsten | peterS: I'm thinking there's some way to do an append-only file of a fixed size such that it frees blocks at the front of the file? |
| 22:41.45 | eshaase | abrotman: no such file or directory |
| 22:41.48 | peterS | karsten: not that I know of |
| 22:42.01 | doomed | it's like the card doesn't work properly |
| 22:42.20 | karsten | chronographer: mount should work. What's on USB that you're trying to access? Flash stick? |
| 22:42.30 | chronographer | er.. its a printer |
| 22:42.41 | chronographer | so i can add this to my fstab? |
| 22:42.49 | karsten | chronographer: Um, you don't mount printers. |
| 22:42.55 | chronographer | it will be fine? can you explain briefly what it is doing? |
| 22:42.57 | Vasistha | strange that one would want to treat a printer like a filesystem |
| 22:43.10 | chronographer | oh nvm |
| 22:43.21 | karsten | chronographer: If it's a printer with integrated storage slots (eg: you can transfer camera memory sticks, etc.), that's a different question. |
| 22:43.22 | chronographer | it a step saying 'if this doesn't work....' |
| 22:43.31 | chronographer | so i don't need to do it/!! |
| 22:43.37 | karsten | chronographer: Might help if you linked the reference. |
| 22:43.39 | peterS | chronographer: devgid=14 can't be right, there is no standard group number 14 in debian |
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| 22:43.45 | waspius | !pastebin |
| 22:43.46 | Vasistha | hurrah for reading the instructions! |
| 22:43.46 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 22:43.47 | chronographer | yes its a ubuntu thing |
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| 22:44.00 | alexcami1o | When i installed debian onto this computer it didnt have it's wireless card inside (airport, powerbook). ive installed linux a few times on these computers and airport has always worked. but when i installed debina iwhtout the airport card and then put an airport card into the machine it wont even acknowledge it's existence. iwconfig is also missing because bash returns a command not found error. |
| 22:44.04 | chronographer | its really hard to find a guide to install this bloody printer! |
| 22:44.24 | chronographer | thx anyway |
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| 22:44.46 | waspius | http://pastebin.ca/386854 |
| 22:44.51 | karsten | chronographer: In general; cups |
| 22:44.53 | xingu | karsten: hmm, even if there was a form that worked, it'd still chew the aggregate size of both files anyway |
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| 22:45.13 | xingu | karsten: ... until the output stage completed (and you're right, as writ it don't work) |
| 22:45.18 | Vasistha | alexcami1o: pccardctl ls |
| 22:46.11 | alexcami1o | pccardctl: command not found |
| 22:46.16 | karsten | xingu: dd buffers its input. |
| 22:46.25 | Vasistha | alexcami1o: you'll need to be root. and if it still doesn't work, then instead, do cardctl ident |
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| 22:46.42 | karsten | xingu: So you'll read in one blocksize worth of data, then write it. You might actually end up with _something_ in the file, but it likely won't be what you expected or desired. |
| 22:46.58 | alexcami1o | it didnt work as root. and cardctl ident didnt work etiher |
| 22:47.01 | xingu | karsten: yeah but the unlink of the left hand side wouldn't happen until the pipe closed |
| 22:47.10 | waspius | anyone http://pastebin.ca/386854? |
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| 22:47.19 | chronographer | cups doesn't have this particular driver... |
| 22:47.21 | karsten | xingu: That would matter *if* linking a file prevented it from being written to. |
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| 22:47.37 | karsten | chronographer: Try something close then, or /msg dpkg listkeys *cups* |
| 22:47.43 | Vasistha | !didn't work |
| 22:47.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 22:47.46 | maddash | !xchat |
| 22:47.46 | dpkg | somebody said xchat was a nifty irc client that has gnome and transperancy and panel and shaded transperancy and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or ask me about irc for some more clients, or for win32 xchat : http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
| 22:47.50 | chronographer | so i needed to get tarball and then change rpm into tgz and then install and |
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| 22:48.00 | Guychi | peterS: thanks!! |
| 22:48.05 | karsten | !tell chronographer about alien |
| 22:48.05 | alexcami1o | i'm thinking debian didn't install half of the stiff i need cause the card wasn't there. |
| 22:48.07 | chronographer | now i can't find it |
| 22:48.12 | chronographer | i used alien |
| 22:48.13 | chronographer | thx |
| 22:48.14 | karsten | chronographer: to convert rpm => deb |
| 22:48.17 | karsten | OK |
| 22:48.24 | chronographer | oh ok to deb eh?? |
| 22:48.29 | Vasistha | alexcami1o: do you mean that, as root, you get "command not found" for both cardctl and pccardctl ? |
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| 22:48.34 | karsten | alexcami1o: What are you installing dead people for? |
| 22:48.59 | jair | guys when I am using "nmap" to scan an IP, and the ip is on a windows machine what is the option i have to use to make it go through? |
| 22:49.04 | Vasistha | wait a second, am I giving bad advice? is an airport card a pcmcia card? alexcami1o are you using a laptop? |
| 22:49.17 | yomm | heh |
| 22:49.32 | alexcami1o | the computer is an apple clamshell(ppc 333mhz). the card is an airport card. |
| 22:49.35 | xingu | aha! |
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| 22:49.41 | waspius | does anyone know why this happens ? http://pastebin.ca/386854? |
| 22:50.06 | alexcami1o | i think that airport is a special version of pcmcia. i think. |
| 22:50.09 | xingu | karsten: tail -c${desired_size} <somefile | dd of=somefile conv=sync |
| 22:50.27 | xingu | do I win the sheer ugliness prize? |
| 22:50.56 | jair | anyone here use nmap? |
| 22:50.58 | yomm | waspius : maybe enable compositing in your xorg.conf ? |
| 22:51.02 | Vasistha | alexcami1o: well, the card is similar to a pcmcia or cardbus card -- because it's something you stick into the side of the computer, and it's a little bigger than a credit card -- right? |
| 22:51.02 | cafuego_ | xingu: why not use c, mmap the file, adjust the pointer and write it out to a second file? |
| 22:51.07 | xingu | I think it still chews size+desired_size at peak though |
| 22:51.11 | n3kl | Somehow my system has detected a second usb sound card that does not exist. But when I try to remove the modules, it tells me that they are in use and cannot be removed. How can I turn them off, or at lease point alsa to the right sound card? |
| 22:51.29 | maddash | n3kl: sudo alsaconf |
| 22:51.36 | abrotman | eshaase: locate gdm | grep bin |
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| 22:51.46 | alexcamilo | whoops, disc |
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| 22:51.51 | n3kl | maddash: already done |
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| 22:51.56 | alexcamilo | yes |
| 22:52.04 | maddash | n3kl then you should be fine. |
| 22:52.05 | n3kl | maddash: when I run alsamixer, it is pointing at the wron device |
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| 22:52.27 | alexcamilo | its installed properly. |
| 22:52.33 | yomm | n3kl : use : alsamixer -c0 , or c1 for multiple cards |
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| 22:53.01 | doomed | amphi, any ideas why it's still the same? |
| 22:53.08 | doomed | it's like the card doesn't work properly |
| 22:53.13 | chronographer | i direct cups to the ppd file, it says 'lexmark z65 ...." already installed but i can't find it in the lists.... any advice? |
| 22:53.17 | waspius | yomm: http://pastebin.ca/386862 |
| 22:53.19 | doomed | it's in the proper resolution but the colors are still the same |
| 22:53.34 | xingu | cafuego_: hell, if you're going that far, libext2fs, and jigger the inode blocklist directly. |
| 22:53.39 | Vasistha | alexcamilo: well, I dunno about airport stuff ... my only experience is with pc's - pcmcia and CardBus, and we use either cardctl or pccardctl for those. Perhaps for some reason your don't have the pcmcia modules installed, or something, or maybe airport's work differently :P |
| 22:53.40 | doomed | i don't think it is the monitor |
| 22:54.02 | cafuego_ | xingu: yuck, how unelegant |
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| 22:54.13 | alexcamilo | i'm installing PCMCIA services. maybe that will make it work |
| 22:54.18 | yomm | waspius : maybe enable compositing in your xorg.conf ? |
| 22:54.27 | waspius | yomm: it is enabled |
| 22:54.37 | waspius | oh wait |
| 22:54.47 | waspius | how do i do that? |
| 22:55.03 | yomm | in xorg.conf |
| 22:55.41 | abrotman | hrm .. -j in dump just says the default is 2 .. but doesn't say if 1 is more compression than 9 etc ... |
| 22:55.54 | abrotman | oh . man bzip :) |
| 22:56.09 | n3kl | hmm, somethings is jacked up |
| 22:56.35 | waspius | where can i find xorg.conf? |
| 22:56.44 | yomm | waspius ; you know how to add that option ? |
| 22:56.48 | peterS | waspius: look in /etc/X11 |
| 22:56.57 | peterS | waspius: also 'man xorg.conf' will tell you that and much much more |
| 22:57.02 | xingu | abrotman: dump as in dumping filesystems? |
| 22:57.07 | waspius | yomm: not really but ... |
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| 22:57.11 | waspius | peterS: thanx |
| 22:57.11 | abrotman | xingu: dump/restore .. yes |
| 22:57.55 | sly007 | Hello, I want to set up my default web browser for gnome-terminal. I don't use gnome. SO I was told to use update-alternatives. |
| 22:58.05 | sly007 | I would like to know if there was a simpler way |
| 22:58.39 | peterS | sly007: it might work to mkdir ~/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/galeon ~/bin/x-www-browser |
| 22:58.43 | eshaase | abrotman: ok, was able to figure it out |
| 22:58.47 | eshaase | abrotman: thanks for your time! |
| 22:58.55 | peterS | sly007: that's sort of the per-user equivalent of update-alternatives |
| 22:59.31 | abrotman | eshaase: what wsa it ? |
| 22:59.35 | eshaase | i'm trying to execute the following: '/usr/bin/keychain --agents ssh /home/eric/.ssh/id_dsa' and i get: 'ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory'... this works on my ubuntu system and was wondering what i can do to get this working on my debian system |
| 22:59.39 | xingu | abrotman: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2001-36/0085.html |
| 22:59.51 | eshaase | abrotman: someone removed the S21-gdm link in /etc/rc2.d =) |
| 22:59.58 | eshaase | abrotman: just remade it |
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| 23:00.04 | Guychi | I'm trying to split (using dd) the last chunk of a file. I use dd if=infile of=outfile bs=1M skip=N It works fine for small files, but for a large one (5GB) with bs=1M and skip=4000M I get a 0 byte outfile! Any explanations or workaround? |
| 23:00.13 | peterS | eshaase: you need an ssh-askpass implementation. 'apt-cache search ssh-askpass' to see the ones available |
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| 23:00.17 | abrotman | eshaase: ah . .that'll do it :) |
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| 23:00.45 | maddash | Guychi: "count=?" |
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| 23:00.59 | peterS | Guychi: you don't want to skip 4000 million chunks of 1M each |
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| 23:01.07 | peterS | Guychi: leave off the M from skip=4000 |
| 23:01.09 | Guychi | maddash: without count=, since I want it to copy to the end |
| 23:01.23 | eshaase | abrotman: =) thanks for your time, i appreciate it! |
| 23:01.51 | eshaase | peterS: got it, thanks! |
| 23:02.10 | abrotman | eshaase: enjoy |
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| 23:02.21 | eshaase | how do i get a listing of files that a package contains? |
| 23:02.24 | eshaase | (using apt-get) |
| 23:02.29 | peterS | eshaase: dpkg -L |
| 23:02.31 | eshaase | (without the deb file locally) |
| 23:02.36 | Guychi | peterS: thanks!!! |
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| 23:02.50 | peterS | eshaase: oh, if you don't have the package installed, you need to install apt-file and use 'apt-file update' and 'apt-file show' |
| 23:02.50 | abrotman | eshaase: apt-file |
| 23:03.48 | eshaase | gotcha, thanks guys |
| 23:04.14 | peterS | eshaase: (alternatively there is an apt-file frontend of sorts at http://packages.debian.org/) |
| 23:04.24 | dooglus | eshaase: it's usually faster to use http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 23:05.34 | eshaase | ok, sounds good |
| 23:05.36 | eshaase | thanks a lot guys! |
| 23:06.11 | waspius | yomm: this is how my horg looks after editing..http://pastebin.ca/386871 |
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| 23:06.42 | waspius | yomm: i added what it said in the beryl site |
| 23:08.22 | waspius | http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian#Configure_xorg.conf |
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| 23:09.38 | demo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:09.49 | abrotman | demo_: which version of debian ? |
| 23:09.58 | yomm | waspius : a sec |
| 23:10.05 | demo_ | etch |
| 23:10.07 | abrotman | !find gnomeConf.sh etch |
| 23:10.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gnomeConf.sh' (1): (/usr/lib/gnomeConf.sh) in libdevel/libgnome-dev. |
| 23:10.38 | abrotman | demo_: ^^ install that package |
| 23:10.46 | waspius | abrotman: do u know how i can play stream files that require windows media player? |
| 23:10.59 | abrotman | !win32codecs |
| 23:10.59 | dpkg | it has been said that win32codecs is see w32codecs |
| 23:11.02 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 23:11.03 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 23:11.13 | waspius | thanx |
| 23:11.14 | GeorgeS069 | I tried to install beryl and when I made the xorg.conf changes all it did was disable my 3d acceleration:) |
| 23:12.09 | yomm | waspius : that looks pretty ok ,I'm not sure though line 83 is required on ati cards , so you might have to comment that one out ! |
| 23:12.33 | waspius | yomm: ok..so does that mean that it should work now? |
| 23:12.52 | waspius | abrotman: apt-get does not find w32 coecs |
| 23:12.54 | waspius | codecs |
| 23:13.03 | abrotman | !tell waspius about debian-multimedia |
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| 23:13.13 | demo_ | thanks |
| 23:13.23 | yomm | waspius ; besides that one line I don't see a reason why it shouldn't , go ahead & try it ! |
| 23:13.30 | waspius | ok thanx |
| 23:13.32 | thechef | Do w32codecs support WMV3? |
| 23:13.41 | waspius | !debian-multimedia |
| 23:13.41 | dpkg | [debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 23:14.57 | waspius | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 23:14.57 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 23:15.21 | waspius | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 23:15.22 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 23:16.28 | abrotman | waspius: /msg the bot |
| 23:17.58 | waspius | abrotman: if i new how to do it through terminal i would |
| 23:18.06 | abrotman | waspius: /msg dpkg <blah> |
| 23:18.18 | maddash | char *p="char |
| 23:18.18 | maddash | *p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} |
| 23:18.21 | abrotman | waspius: and then look in another window .. in irssi "/win #" |
| 23:18.52 | waspius | abrotman: no other window opens though |
| 23:19.17 | waspius | or at least i cannot see any |
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| 23:19.27 | wols | waspius: what client are you using? |
| 23:19.45 | waspius | wols: irssi-text |
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| 23:20.33 | wols | waspius: I don't think so. default debian irssi answers on a ctcp version. yours does not |
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| 23:20.40 | demo_ | could anyone have a look at my make error please http://pastebin.ca/386893 |
| 23:20.42 | wols | and the "ircname" is mighty strange for irssi too |
| 23:20.56 | waspius | wols: :S i dont know..but that is what i installed |
| 23:21.45 | wols | what color is the background right abave th line where you write your text. and what numbers at what color are on the right side of that line? |
| 23:22.12 | waspius | the line is blue and the numbers Act: 1.3 |
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| 23:22.21 | Guerin | demo_: ask in #c++ |
| 23:22.21 | wols | ok. then press alt+3 |
| 23:22.29 | wols | (you can come back to debian with alt+2) |
| 23:22.39 | waspius | oh |
| 23:22.41 | waspius | ok thanx allot |
| 23:22.48 | waspius | see im learning |
| 23:22.49 | waspius | :P |
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| 23:22.58 | wols | now you can use the bot |
| 23:23.02 | waspius | ok |
| 23:23.05 | abrotman | demo_: ask them .. |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | demo_: the people that wrote it |
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| 23:23.17 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 23:23.56 | alberto | hi |
| 23:23.56 | wols | waspius: have you enabled composite extension for X now? |
| 23:24.16 | waspius | wols: i dont know |
| 23:24.16 | alberto | someone here with a toshiba satellite and nvidia driver working ok please? |
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| 23:24.21 | waspius | i am messed up |
| 23:24.25 | wols | !don't know |
| 23:24.43 | waspius | how do i check |
| 23:24.43 | alberto | Hi, I am using kubuntu edgy in a Toshiba satellite with latest nvidia drivers from site, but... When I tried to launch glxgear I hasnt direct rendering, I looked in a log from xorg and saw that there was a problem between composite and glx module so I disabled composite and then glx is loaded and direct rendering but is VERY slow, like without it, I can see this too in the var/log/Xorg.0 : (II)NVIDIA: 3D ACCELERATION ARCHITECGTURE |
| 23:25.01 | Guerin | alberto: so why do you think #debian cares? |
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| 23:25.05 | alberto | I know this is not ubuntu but the problem is with nvidia and toshiba not with debin/ubuntu |
| 23:25.09 | wols | seems you have |
| 23:25.13 | dury | is hard to install fluxbox through debian |
| 23:25.20 | Guerin | alberto: so complain to nvidia |
| 23:25.38 | abrotman | alberto: so ask #nvidia or #kubuntu .. not us |
| 23:25.56 | dury | wols: hi there |
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| 23:26.19 | dury | alberto. un saludo |
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| 23:27.10 | wols | 'lo |
| 23:27.14 | l3w | would you guys recommend debian for older machines? |
| 23:27.21 | wols | dury: apt-get install fluxbox, done |
| 23:27.23 | wols | l3w: yes |
| 23:27.30 | damog | l3w: yes |
| 23:27.39 | wols | l3w: but you should start with a barebones netinstall and only install needed stuff |
| 23:27.43 | l3w | i have the net install cd, how would i choose a lightweight window manager at install? |
| 23:27.43 | wols | and no kde or gnome! |
| 23:27.54 | wols | l3w: you simply don't choose any |
| 23:28.07 | waspius | abrotman: i dont make sence with the media files..i try adding the key it tells me type your message |
| 23:28.09 | wols | you actually don't choose any when installing |
| 23:28.20 | wols | after install: apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox |
| 23:28.28 | l3w | what windows manager would you suggest? |
| 23:28.39 | wols | or any other lightweight WM you like |
| 23:28.46 | l3w | i'm having huge problems with DSL and puppy linux freezing after a few hours using remote desktop |
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| 23:28.50 | wols | and *box, wmaker |
| 23:28.55 | amphi | l3w: I like openbox |
| 23:29.03 | wols | *any |
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| 23:29.15 | l3w | we're using barcode scanners, i called the barcode scanner manafacturer and they said it was because we are running a ps2 keyboard in with the scanner |
| 23:29.21 | wols | openbox, fluxboy, wmaker is hwat I have installing on a p2-333 with 129MB RAM |
| 23:29.22 | l3w | and it's using too much power or something |
| 23:29.42 | wols | get a usb keyboard then? |
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| 23:30.19 | l3w | i've been trying to install xubuntu, and i've been having problems with it. for some reason it freezes on select and install at GDM, i figured since it installed the base system i could boot, but for some reason when i installed grub, grub couldn't mount the partition |
| 23:30.28 | waspius | ok did it |
| 23:30.31 | l3w | well, i got some USB keyboard, but i don't think that's the problem |
| 23:30.41 | l3w | it may be though.... have you ever heard of anything like that? |
| 23:30.53 | wols | ask not us, ask the maker of the hardware |
| 23:30.57 | wols | we cannot and don't know |
| 23:30.58 | l3w | we have some simple neoware boxes and they run fine with a ps2 keyboard/barcode scanner |
| 23:31.18 | wols | not all machines allow the same amount of power on the ps/2 ports |
| 23:31.23 | wols | different hardware is well, different |
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| 23:31.33 | l3w | true |
| 23:31.39 | l3w | guess i'll try debian |
| 23:31.48 | l3w | it bugs me i can't get xubuntu installed |
| 23:31.51 | wols | a usb keyboard costs 13EUR btw. hardly a big investement to try |
| 23:31.54 | l3w | and i really don't liek DSL/puppy linux |
| 23:32.05 | l3w | ohh, we have MANY usb keyboards |
| 23:32.16 | l3w | but the problem is we're replacing 10-15 machines |
| 23:32.32 | waspius | well i still cannot find w32 codecs |
| 23:32.34 | l3w | and we only have 4 regular *usb keyboards |
| 23:32.44 | GeorgeS069 | l3w: could you try a ps2/usb adapter maybe? |
| 23:32.47 | l3w | then the rest are ergonomic ones (probably slaughtered that word) |
| 23:32.59 | l3w | that's what i was thinking... i don't know if that's the freezing problem right now |
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| 23:33.07 | l3w | i replaced the keyboard today, but on one would use the machine =/ |
| 23:33.20 | l3w | they thought it crashed when it was on the DSL desktop |
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| 23:33.30 | wols | waspius: how does your sources.list look? |
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| 23:33.44 | Orfeous | was thinking of changing kernel from 2.4.32 to 2.6.20 anything special i must do before compiling? |
| 23:33.47 | dury | wols: I did apt- install x-window-system fluxbox but after installed it asked me questions that I probably answered wrongly couldn't launch fluxbox... some errors |
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| 23:33.57 | aalex | hi |
| 23:34.10 | aalex | is this fstab entry correct : /mnt/troie ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 23:34.21 | wols | !tell drxx about drxx |
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| 23:34.27 | wols | answer them again until you get it right |
| 23:34.51 | wols | aalex: no |
| 23:34.59 | wols | the device you want to mount is missing |
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| 23:35.05 | wols | e.g. /dev/sda2 |
| 23:35.28 | wols | after mountpoint and before the filesystem type |
| 23:36.05 | waspius | wols: http://pastebin.ca/386918 |
| 23:36.13 | dury | wols: how can I launch that wizard again to answer correctly |
| 23:36.40 | aalex | wols, and what is defaults 0 0 ? |
| 23:36.41 | wols | waspius: you need the sources for multimedia to get w32cdecs |
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| 23:36.49 | wols | !tell waspius about multimedia |
| 23:37.03 | wols | dury: dpkg just told you |
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| 23:37.35 | wols | aalex: it tells you how to mount it with what options and what to do in case there needs to be a fsck and the like. man fstab for details |
| 23:38.01 | waspius | wols: but i did what it said |
| 23:38.01 | dury | wols: I mean when I start x doesn't launch it some errors |
| 23:38.07 | wols | !tell waspisu about debian-multimedia.etch |
| 23:38.12 | GeorgeS069 | wols: you told dpkg to " |
| 23:38.12 | GeorgeS069 | Search |
| 23:38.12 | GeorgeS069 | News for nerds, stuff that matters |
| 23:38.12 | GeorgeS069 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.12 | GeorgeS069 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:38.53 | wols | dury: and I told you what to do. once more then |
| 23:38.57 | wols | !tell dury about drxx |
| 23:38.58 | waspius | ok found it |
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| 23:41.32 | GeorgeS069 | sorry about that |
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| 23:41.56 | wols | dury: what videocard chip btw? |
| 23:41.59 | runa | hi, how can i stop responding to ping or other sort of things |
| 23:42.12 | wols | runa: other things? |
| 23:42.12 | runa | i mean when sb makes nmap |
| 23:42.18 | robin_sz | runa, firewall it off with iptables |
| 23:42.18 | wols | with ping, it's iptables |
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| 23:42.36 | dury | S3 |
| 23:42.48 | wols | Zeug: dropping ICMP requestions doesn't make you more secure at all btw |
| 23:42.51 | wols | neither does a firewall |
| 23:42.59 | wols | oops. runa: |
| 23:43.11 | wols | dury: S3 made many many many chips. which one exactly |
| 23:43.17 | robin_sz | firewalls do help in some cases |
| 23:43.35 | wols | prperly closed ports do. not firewalls |
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| 23:43.49 | robin_sz | nonesens |
| 23:43.54 | runa | how can i close a port |
| 23:43.58 | wols | and if you can't close a port to the outside it's shitty software. and if the port needs to accept connections no firewall in the world helps you |
| 23:43.59 | waspius | wols: how do i check if i have my composite extension ? |
| 23:44.00 | runa | kill the server? |
| 23:44.11 | dury | sorry I really don't know the box it's in my studio |
| 23:44.48 | robin_sz | wols, again, nonesense |
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| 23:44.48 | wols | waspius: xorg logs I guess. do what the howto you liked says. you already have Xorg.conf set up the right way |
| 23:44.48 | runa | i mean for example with ssh kill sshd |
| 23:44.48 | biwi | Hi, how do I add pcf fonts in Debian (I'm using Etch release). Putting a font in the right directory (and running fc-cache) does not work (I have proper xorg.conf configuration). It does work, however, on other distros. |
| 23:44.48 | wols | runa: man update-rc.d |
| 23:45.03 | wols | robin_sz: so how and when does a firewall help you? |
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| 23:45.46 | robin_sz | wols, let me give you an example ... you have, say sshd running ... but you firewall it off so it is accessible only from your remote office, all other packets to that port are dropped |
| 23:46.06 | wols | hosts.allow, hosts.deny |
| 23:46.17 | robin_sz | pointless |
| 23:46.21 | waspius | in order to restart gdm do i just log out? |
| 23:46.35 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.40 | waspius | thanx |
| 23:46.51 | robin_sz | wols, and how will host.deny/allow help you in a buffer overflow situation during login? |
| 23:46.53 | wols | waspius: on a text mode console |
| 23:47.04 | dury | wols: sorry to ask you again... if I have errors launching X ..... I can type drxx to configure |
| 23:47.17 | wols | dury: yes |
| 23:47.25 | xingu | how will a packet filter help prevent a connection attempt from a trusted but trojanned client? |
| 23:47.34 | dury | catch it |
| 23:47.34 | robin_sz | xingu, it wont |
| 23:47.51 | wols | xingu: or a spoofed IP |
| 23:47.56 | dury | right |
| 23:48.14 | robin_sz | wols, that assumes the attacker knows exactly the single ip to spoof |
| 23:48.15 | dury | you know what I did ? |
| 23:48.26 | robin_sz | dury, married your sister? |
| 23:48.36 | xingu | so maybe the answer is in designing systems so that it's as easy to monitor and update the whole system stack as it is to update a packet filter |
| 23:48.53 | dury | I've installed featherlinux |
| 23:49.04 | xingu | most security boils down to an absence of records, eyeballs, or a provisioning system |
| 23:49.26 | dury | it has by default a fluxbox x windows manager |
| 23:49.30 | xingu | what packet filters *do* achieve is fragility |
| 23:49.49 | xingu | because you've now artificially choked access, if your trusted network is unreachable you're totally screwed. |
| 23:49.55 | wols | xingu: no. they give you NAT. which is actually the best thing since sliced bread for internet security |
| 23:49.56 | robin_sz | xingu, well, yeah. the REAL answer is that "security is a journey, not a destination" .. a firewall isnt a guranatedd anyting, nothing is guranteed. BUT they all fit into a strategy, the more barriers you place int he way, the more chance you have of survival |
| 23:49.57 | hatta | dury, only the best :D |
| 23:50.15 | dury | http://featherlinux.berlios.de/ |
| 23:50.23 | xingu | the more barriers you have the slower the throughput and the more fragile the result. |
| 23:50.31 | wols | dury: we don't care about that |
| 23:50.46 | wols | xingu: and the more complext the system |
| 23:50.52 | dury | it based on debian |
| 23:51.00 | wols | !based on debian |
| 23:51.00 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 23:51.04 | xingu | nat shits me too, it prevents end-to-end access |
| 23:51.11 | wols | dury: no go away. to #featherlinux or whateevr |
| 23:51.19 | xingu | and inserts state in the transport where it has no business being inserted |
| 23:51.28 | wols | xingu: yes. but it helps a gazillion people to have a semi secure system |
| 23:51.34 | dury | great distro |
| 23:51.38 | wols | guess how much worse it would be without all those NAT routers |
| 23:51.41 | dury | anyway |
| 23:51.44 | robin_sz | xingu, the real answer is a combination of security updates, ,careful configuration, effective monitoring and a variety of tools, like ipsec, iptables, blah ... its the whole picture that counts |
| 23:52.13 | robin_sz | no single component is the answer, its how you put them together |
| 23:52.25 | robin_sz | iptables is simply a tool inthe toolbox of an admin |
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| 23:52.30 | xingu | it's a good provisioning system system that counts; if it's not automated and repeatable, don't do it at all is a good rule of thumb |
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| 23:52.39 | dury | hatta: where you from |
| 23:52.41 | sjbrown | i want to cat /dev/urandom, but only a certain amt of bytes |
| 23:52.46 | sjbrown | is there a way to specify it? |
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| 23:53.05 | hatta | om.cox.net |
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| 23:53.11 | dkr | sjbrown: use dd |
| 23:53.20 | xingu | once you design for "I can redo this quickly at any time with no disruption" the emphasis on deep inspection and packet filtering becomes unimportant |
| 23:53.23 | sjbrown | dkr, any examples? |
| 23:53.32 | dkr | sjbrown: yeah, in the man page |
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| 23:54.26 | robin_sz | xingu, well, thtas one opinion. being ble to recreate systems easily is little comfort to confidential data loss |
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| 23:56.12 | waspius | ok everything is working fine |
| 23:56.15 | waspius | thanx allot |
| 23:56.36 | waspius | and sorry for all the trouble since this afternoon |
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| 23:56.53 | xingu | robin_sz: different problem space, now you're talking about compartmentalisation of data as opposed to transport and systems architecture |
| 23:57.59 | xingu | robin_sz: they're only related in so far as design effort is needed to ensure both |
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| 23:58.45 | Sazpaimon | guys, do I really need mDNSResponder? |
| 23:58.56 | Sazpaimon | it's using up a LOT of cpu on my server |
