| 00:00.13 | demo_ | how can i work out what is happening here: demo@ip02:~/Desktop/FreeSpeech-0.1.2$ microphone_config |
| 00:00.13 | demo_ | Error opening terminal: xterm. I have Xterm installed |
| 00:00.29 | Spec | is vim colour syntax hilighting just gonna stay broken in testing? |
| 00:00.47 | Spec | or is it something i did ? :) |
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| 00:01.10 | dav__ | elo |
| 00:02.23 | DocPlatypus | Spec: it's almost certainly something you did |
| 00:02.31 | DocPlatypus | I have never had problems with vim syntax highlighting |
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| 00:03.16 | Spec | well, i know the fix, i think perhaps i kept my vimrc file instead of replacing it with the upgrades' vimrc file |
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| 00:03.23 | TimbrWolf | Does any one have cdtool command 'cdplay' working on Etch? |
| 00:03.38 | Spec | i thought i had told dpkg to replace my vimrc file though |
| 00:03.38 | wols | !anyone |
| 00:03.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:03.47 | wols | TimbrWolf: maybe look into BTS for it |
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| 00:05.57 | TimbrWolf | good idea, sorry I didn't think of it |
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| 00:07.42 | dury | wols: how can I now which X server suits on my system xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:08.52 | wols | you don't run debian, so this is the wrong channel for you |
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| 00:16.55 | BUMBACL0T | is there anyway to recover files? |
| 00:17.03 | BUMBACL0T | i accidentally rm -r /eggdrop |
| 00:17.09 | BUMBACL0T | and there was some important files in there |
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| 00:17.35 | wols | BUMBACL0T: what filesystem? |
| 00:17.36 | phreqmod | dpkg, tell BUMBACL0T about undelete |
| 00:18.03 | BUMBACL0T | wols, ext3 |
| 00:18.09 | dury | well I have to know which s3 chip set is...I will do it for tomorrow and I going to install in that box fluxbox |
| 00:18.11 | wols | the you are SOL |
| 00:18.13 | phreqmod | You're SOL |
| 00:18.17 | phreqmod | eh |
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| 00:18.24 | BUMBACL0T | what? |
| 00:18.33 | wols | you are Shit Outta Luck |
| 00:18.41 | dav__ | there is a problem in KDE for calculating available space on a drive no? |
| 00:18.57 | dury | never mind |
| 00:19.00 | wols | dav__: BTS will enlighten you |
| 00:19.14 | BUMBACL0T | oh well, shit happens |
| 00:19.20 | dav__ | because: Free: 73.9G Total: 82.5 Used: 4.4 |
| 00:19.21 | dav__ | :) |
| 00:19.41 | dav__ | 82.5 - 4.4 =78.1 |
| 00:19.44 | dav__ | ? |
| 00:19.47 | dav__ | :) |
| 00:19.52 | dav__ | wols, what is BTS |
| 00:19.53 | DocPlatypus | BUMBACL0T: if they aren't backed up somewhere, they can't have been that important. |
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| 00:20.01 | dvs | !tell dav__ about bta |
| 00:20.02 | dvs | !tell dav__ about bts |
| 00:20.05 | Ronin | heh |
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| 00:21.46 | dury | cya all |
| 00:21.50 | dury | .) |
| 00:21.56 | dury | :) |
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| 00:28.16 | waspius | goodnight everyone |
| 00:28.31 | phreqmod | cheers waspius |
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| 00:31.17 | dvs | heh |
| 00:31.53 | Xenguy | =) |
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| 00:33.14 | Xenguy | you see? mention vista and they quit in droves... :P |
| 00:33.21 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 00:33.27 | dvs | Xenguy: and you get crap! |
| 00:33.32 | Xenguy | mwuhaha |
| 00:33.33 | simonrvn | they still are! |
| 00:33.45 | Xenguy | It's a virtual exodus! |
| 00:34.38 | Xenguy | Life is good peeps, viva La Debian |
| 00:35.24 | simonrvn | m, life is really good right now |
| 00:35.33 | dvs | no it's not |
| 00:35.36 | dvs | no Debian 4.0 |
| 00:35.42 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 00:35.53 | Ronin | dvs: if thats the worst you have lifes pretty damn good :) |
| 00:36.02 | dvs | heh |
| 00:36.15 | DocPlatypus | Xenguy: I didn't need to wait until Vista came out to tell Microsoft "Hasta la Vista"... I told them I think right around the release of Windows XP |
| 00:36.25 | DocPlatypus | of course, I was running deadrat then |
| 00:36.41 | Ronin | ya lets not talk about vista shall we, soon enough ill be supporting it at work :( |
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| 00:37.18 | dvs | I won't be! I'll be yelling at other people! |
| 00:37.28 | dvs | It gives me an excuse to take breaks. |
| 00:38.08 | simonrvn | Ronin: my condolences |
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| 00:38.29 | Ronin | simonrvn: puts oil in the tank |
| 00:38.29 | dvs | Ronin: and you'll have to upgrade all those boxes too! |
| 00:38.33 | GeorgeS069 | you guys should put debian live CD's in the new systems and tell people it's the new vista :) |
| 00:38.37 | Ronin | dvs: ya a mere 1100 of them too |
| 00:38.46 | dvs | o_O |
| 00:38.51 | simonrvn | Ronin: yeh, that it does, and food on the table |
| 00:39.57 | DocPlatypus | is one of the servers in ftp.us.debian.org hosed? |
| 00:40.20 | DocPlatypus | I'm getting 503 connect failed errors on every fourth or fifth package |
| 00:40.30 | simonrvn | ouchie |
| 00:40.39 | simonrvn | !http-us |
| 00:40.46 | simonrvn | !http us |
| 00:40.51 | simonrvn | whatever |
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| 00:41.23 | DocPlatypus | no this isn't the http.us issue |
| 00:41.25 | DocPlatypus | ftp.us |
| 00:41.34 | Ronin | DocPlatypus: could be, easy way for now is to not use it and try a different one |
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| 00:42.03 | simonrvn | DocPlatypus: they're the same machines |
| 00:42.18 | DocPlatypus | I thought http.us resolved to different hostnames than ftp.us? |
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| 00:42.40 | simonrvn | didn't last time i checked |
| 00:42.49 | nescius | /usr/share/kernel-package/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. |
| 00:42.52 | DocPlatypus | almost the same. |
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| 00:43.05 | nescius | too late to get my brain working |
| 00:43.08 | Ronin | almost the same? that like a little pregnant? |
| 00:43.15 | DocPlatypus | 64.50.238.2 which is ftp-atl.osuosl.org isn't in ftp.us.debian.org |
| 00:43.18 | simonrvn | nescius: so specify the arch |
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| 00:43.33 | nescius | i did in .config |
| 00:43.42 | nescius | at last i think i did |
| 00:43.48 | nescius | pc, right? |
| 00:43.55 | simonrvn | it would be anyway... it means on the command line |
| 00:43.57 | DocPlatypus | Ronin: no, it's not, it's like almost the same |
| 00:44.14 | Ronin | thats like saying ubuntu is almost the same as debian then ;) |
| 00:44.18 | HD1 | I need config Mobile Intel 945GM in dell inspiron 9400, anybody know? |
| 00:44.23 | simonrvn | !lart Ronin |
| 00:44.30 | simonrvn | yikes hehe |
| 00:44.37 | Ronin | heh |
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| 00:44.48 | Elive_user74 | notify |
| 00:44.52 | Elive_user74 | notify damosu |
| 00:44.57 | phreqmod | HD1, you'll need to add non-free |
| 00:44.58 | simonrvn | erm? |
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| 00:45.18 | GeorgeS069 | hehehehee...the bot whips out Excalibur and Merlin shows up :) |
| 00:45.29 | Elive_user74 | list |
| 00:45.37 | simonrvn | !list |
| 00:45.37 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to simonrvn |
| 00:45.37 | phreqmod | HD1, oops, disregard, that |
| 00:45.41 | HD1 | thanks phreqmod- what more? |
| 00:45.49 | simonrvn | !lart Elive_user74 |
| 00:46.11 | x_link | I forgot where I put swap on 0. I think the line I should add is --> vm_swappiness =0 |
| 00:46.16 | x_link | But I forgot where I have added it. |
| 00:46.20 | x_link | Does anybody here know? |
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| 00:46.26 | simonrvn | /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 00:46.28 | x_link | yes |
| 00:46.30 | phreqmod | HD1: 945GM is the video... the driver is the i810, nothing special about the config |
| 00:46.31 | x_link | Thanks alot simonrvn |
| 00:46.42 | simonrvn | 'a lot', and you're welcome |
| 00:47.04 | x_link | simonrvn: You don't spell it "alot"? I didn't know it was "a lot" |
| 00:47.15 | simonrvn | it's 2 words, yup |
| 00:47.19 | HD1 | OK. I try with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. That is correct? |
| 00:47.41 | phreqmod | HD1, I was refering to the Intel 3945 wireless card, which you might also have on that system, this one needed nod free and the ipw3945-* stuff (kernel module, firmare and daemon) |
| 00:47.42 | simonrvn | the one word version is allot |
| 00:47.45 | nescius | simonrvn, sorry but i dont understand, what --subarch does pc have? what am i missing here? make-kpkg --revision TheWall.1 kernel_image |
| 00:47.48 | simonrvn | means something else =) |
| 00:48.07 | phreqmod | HD1, it's correct if you're using xfree86 and not xorg, yes |
| 00:48.07 | simonrvn | i386, pc is a very general term |
| 00:48.12 | nescius | i need some sleep |
| 00:48.21 | HD1 | Ok, |
| 00:48.22 | simonrvn | though you probably want i686 |
| 00:48.32 | x_link | simonrvn: Okey =) |
| 00:48.37 | simonrvn | x_link: :) |
| 00:48.54 | HD1 | I'll try |
| 00:48.57 | x_link | simonrvn: But I haven't noticed any difference since I added ---> vm.swappiness = 0 in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 00:49.03 | x_link | simonrvn: Shouldn't it be faster? |
| 00:49.08 | HD1 | just a moment. Thank a lot |
| 00:49.15 | phreqmod | yw |
| 00:49.22 | simonrvn | swappiness of 0 means you have no swappiness |
| 00:49.34 | simonrvn | as in, it won't use swap |
| 00:49.40 | x_link | I know |
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| 00:49.44 | x_link | Only when needed |
| 00:49.52 | simonrvn | you kinda want that, it performs better even with a little |
| 00:50.09 | x_link | Okey, people in #Hardware told me that |
| 00:50.30 | simonrvn | i'm strictly speaking of the kernel itself here |
| 00:50.50 | Ankman | !seen piper69 |
| 00:50.50 | nescius | simonrvn, i tried what you said with the same output |
| 00:50.51 | dpkg | piper69 is currently on #debian, last said: 'karsten: nothing refrence to them in /etc/network/interfaces'. |
| 00:51.09 | nescius | "make-kpkg --subarch i686 --revision TheWall.1 kernel_image" doesnt work |
| 00:51.10 | x_link | ok |
| 00:51.20 | simonrvn | nescius: damn :(. you running what debian version? |
| 00:51.20 | x_link | Maybe I should remove that line then |
| 00:51.32 | x_link | Okey, good night! |
| 00:51.36 | simonrvn | good night |
| 00:52.01 | Ankman | night |
| 00:52.07 | underguiz | dooglus, ontrack stuff give me all my stuff back hehe |
| 00:52.11 | underguiz | gave me |
| 00:52.26 | nescius | 4.0 according to debian_version |
| 00:52.49 | nescius | i've installed it from rescue cd |
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| 00:53.14 | nescius | the only one which i have |
| 00:53.44 | simonrvn | hmm, might want to update if you haven't already |
| 00:54.05 | nescius | i did twice tonight already |
| 00:54.10 | simonrvn | holy |
| 00:54.34 | simonrvn | can't think of anything right now, still a little high from drumming |
| 00:55.26 | HD1 | you know any aplication for configure video? |
| 00:55.49 | HD1 | sorry, but i don't write english well |
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| 00:56.36 | nescius | HD1, configure? what you mean exactly? editing? playing? |
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| 00:57.06 | HD1 | i have problem with video card. i have inspiron 9400 |
| 00:57.34 | runa | i could not mount with samba it gives ERRDos error |
| 00:57.35 | runa | ?? |
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| 00:58.59 | HD1 | when execute gdm no work well. present message error with faileru init server X |
| 00:59.49 | nescius | HD1, what exactly does that say? |
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| 01:00.08 | runa | do i need special privileges on the server |
| 01:00.10 | runa | ? |
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| 01:00.42 | nescius | runa, security = share to the global settings |
| 01:00.44 | HD1 | fallo al reinicar el servidor X (Intefaz grafica) |
| 01:01.11 | HD1 | Parece como si no estuviera configurado correctamente |
| 01:01.32 | simonrvn | wrong channel i think =) |
| 01:02.05 | simonrvn | HD1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didn't work? |
| 01:02.31 | simonrvn | bbl, good luck with that |
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| 01:03.02 | HD1 | no |
| 01:03.20 | HD1 | i work with xorg |
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| 01:07.24 | Bac9 | when doing `ulimit -n 2048` as a regular user I get "ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted", what can I do to change the limit? |
| 01:08.02 | creature | Sweet-talk your admin? |
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| 01:10.54 | topo103 | hello what is the best p2p for download mp3 |
| 01:11.22 | damog | topo103: Depends on your definition of best. |
| 01:12.48 | topo103 | ok |
| 01:13.09 | topo103 | what is for you ? |
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| 01:13.13 | topo103 | the best ? |
| 01:13.36 | wols | !best |
| 01:13.36 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 01:14.27 | wols | 8 |
| 01:14.47 | topo103 | the number one |
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| 01:14.59 | damog | topo103: A normal torrent client works nice for me. |
| 01:15.20 | topo103 | damog, no but not for torrent |
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| 01:15.39 | maxdoubt | hey, i know this is a weird question for this channel, but anybody know much about the redhat init.d scripts? |
| 01:15.40 | topo103 | for download P2P style ares for win |
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| 01:16.08 | wols | maxdoubt: we only know about debian init scripts, nothing else |
| 01:16.18 | maxdoubt | wols, yeah me too... that's the problem |
| 01:16.25 | damog | topo103: Torrents are P2P, and that's the best for me. |
| 01:16.31 | damog | The _best_ for _me_. |
| 01:16.33 | wols | then go and ask redhat? |
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| 01:16.39 | waspius | anyone know when i use beryl on the bottom and the tom i have two blue lines under the panels? |
| 01:16.44 | markit | hi, I've seen that "soxmix" program is no more in "sox" package in debian... seems that has been removed from the distro (you can still find it in stanble and testing), any clue? I need it! :) |
| 01:16.44 | maxdoubt | wols, they're all asleep :-( |
| 01:16.49 | damog | maxdoubt: know what? |
| 01:16.56 | maxdoubt | damog, ? |
| 01:17.06 | damog | maxdoubt: know what? |
| 01:17.08 | topo103 | damog, ok thanks |
| 01:17.15 | maxdoubt | damog, haha |
| 01:17.40 | maxdoubt | so despite all our debian expertise, nobody can tell me about redhat? |
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| 01:17.53 | damog | markit: /usr/bin/soxmix in sox |
| 01:17.56 | zamaliphe | how can i run my web came under linux ? it is a sonix c101 usb web cam |
| 01:17.58 | damog | it is on etch, at least |
| 01:18.01 | wols | you are OT maxdoubt |
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| 01:18.16 | topo103 | damog, and the genutella is nice ? |
| 01:18.23 | markit | damog: as I wrote, is missing in SID |
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| 01:18.49 | Eclipser | topo103, remix.kwed.org is "the best for download mp3" :) |
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| 01:19.22 | damog | markit: http://packages.debian.org//changelogs/pool/main/s/sox/current/changelog |
| 01:19.38 | damog | markit: - soxmix no longer exists (closes: #349178, #374096). |
| 01:19.39 | zamaliphe | how can i run my web came under linux ? it is a sonix c101 usb web cam ???? |
| 01:19.48 | maxdoubt | wols, maybe i'll see if anybody in gentoo knows anything about f***ng redhat |
| 01:19.49 | damog | Apparently, upstream is not supporting it anymore |
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| 01:20.22 | damog | topo103: You can try giFT and all its plugins |
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| 01:20.58 | markit | damog: urgh, what does it mean? no more soxmix? |
| 01:21.10 | damog | markit: Apparently. |
| 01:21.17 | topo103 | Eclipser, what is remix.kwed.org |
| 01:21.21 | Eclipser | a site |
| 01:21.25 | topo103 | is this a program ? |
| 01:21.46 | damog | markit: And for the changelog, the maintainer states that it is because of upstream sources. |
| 01:22.10 | markit | maybe now sox does the mix, let me check, thanks a lot damog |
| 01:22.18 | damog | markit: If you still need it, you could file a wishlist bug against sox 13.0.0-1 |
| 01:22.25 | damog | markit: no prob |
| 01:22.39 | Eclipser | topo103, go to the site, it has all the mp3s you could possibly ever want |
| 01:23.03 | topo103 | Eclipser, electro music an reggaeton ? |
| 01:23.07 | Eclipser | which reminds me |
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| 01:23.09 | damog | heh. |
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| 01:23.32 | joeljkp | should i be putting my own script in /usr/lib/cgi-bin, or /usr/local/lib/cgi-bin? |
| 01:23.45 | damog | Eclipser: You mean something like wget -m? ;-) |
| 01:24.11 | Eclipser | whaaat, I've removed the script o.O |
| 01:24.13 | Eclipser | ;_; |
| 01:24.23 | damog | joeljkp: A normal webserver doesn't point to /usr/local by default, IIRC |
| 01:24.37 | damog | a normal install, I mean |
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| 01:24.46 | thechef | zamaliphe, does a new video device in /dev appear? |
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| 01:25.02 | joeljkp | damog: right, so what's the "Debian way", to change the server config, or put my stuff in /usr/lib |
| 01:25.02 | Eclipser | aaah |
| 01:25.06 | Eclipser | there it is in backup |
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| 01:26.27 | damog | joeljkp: /usr is preferred, AFAICT. |
| 01:26.46 | Eclipser | damog, http://eclipser.no-ip.org/get.sh.txt it's a lame one |
| 01:26.54 | damog | joeljkp: You can take a look at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/07/msg00150.html |
| 01:26.55 | joeljkp | damog: hmm, odd |
| 01:27.50 | damog | Eclipser: Eww.. php cli |
| 01:28.03 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 01:28.28 | Eclipser | I had to use urldecode! |
| 01:28.42 | Eclipser | easiest way I could do it |
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| 01:29.37 | Eclipser | I don't do perl |
| 01:29.48 | damog | You should! |
| 01:29.52 | damog | jk |
| 01:29.54 | Eclipser | and that's about the maximum of my php :) |
| 01:29.55 | zamaliphe | thechef: what that /dev name ?? |
| 01:30.00 | damog | Eclipser: Heh. |
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| 01:30.10 | Eclipser | I hate pretty much all scripting languages |
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| 01:31.03 | damog | Eclipser: Well, it saves time and space on little apps. |
| 01:31.22 | damog | they save* |
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| 01:31.57 | trentg | Is there a document anywhere on how to create source packages? |
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| 01:32.16 | Eclipser | damog, my hatred comes from other peoples code really |
| 01:32.18 | damog | trentg: Sure, the New Maintainer's Guide. |
| 01:32.25 | thechef | zamaliphe, execute: ls /dev | grep video |
| 01:32.32 | thechef | before and after you plug in the webcam |
| 01:32.47 | damog | trentg: www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 01:32.49 | thechef | if there is a change, then it means your webcam is recognised |
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| 01:33.00 | trentg | damog: thanks |
| 01:33.06 | Eclipser | it burns me when I read code from a newbie who just found a nice and easy language and started doing a way too large app for his/her level |
| 01:33.07 | damog | np |
| 01:33.19 | damog | Heh. |
| 01:33.32 | damog | Eclipser: And suddenly, they just quit it. :P |
| 01:34.22 | Eclipser | sadly most programming languages provide too pretty first impression |
| 01:34.38 | thechef | if not: type as root something like: apt-get install spca5xx-modules-`uname -r` gspca-modules-`uname -r` |
| 01:34.38 | Eclipser | and newbies don't realise that it's really hard to make a large scale app |
| 01:34.58 | thechef | That are just two kernel packages known to support some webcams |
| 01:35.10 | thechef | kernel module packages |
| 01:35.26 | thechef | @zamaliphe |
| 01:35.41 | Eclipser | webcams are useless :) |
| 01:36.01 | topo103 | I can install Java for apt-get ? |
| 01:36.10 | damog | Eclipser: I live in front of a motel, useless becomes voyeurism :) |
| 01:36.17 | Eclipser | well ok, maybe they're not useless but with regular user bandwidth they are pretty useless |
| 01:36.25 | topo103 | or just I can install this for compilation ? |
| 01:36.35 | Eclipser | my univ has fast enough webcams |
| 01:36.48 | damog | topo103: Yes. |
| 01:37.19 | topo103 | damog, y what is the name of te packge ? |
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| 01:37.56 | Eclipser | I'm slowly dying with english language |
| 01:38.05 | Eclipser | sighs* |
| 01:38.06 | damog | topo103: You can install a free virtual machine or follow a procedure similar to: |
| 01:38.08 | damog | www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx |
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| 01:38.17 | duderdo | Hello |
| 01:38.32 | damog | Eclipser: why? |
| 01:38.33 | duderdo | What are all the cool kids using to fetch email from pop remotely these days? |
| 01:38.33 | damog | duderdo: Hi. |
| 01:38.38 | damog | duderdo: Fetchmail! |
| 01:38.48 | zamaliphe | thechef: no i dont have that dev |
| 01:38.50 | Eclipser | damog, people rape english language and it will eventually disappear at this rate |
| 01:38.50 | duderdo | damog: Still fetchmail eh? |
| 01:39.05 | damog | Eclipser: Heh. |
| 01:39.10 | thechef | erm |
| 01:39.14 | damog | duderdo: Well, I've been using since like a year ago. |
| 01:39.16 | Eclipser | topo103, do you use sarge? |
| 01:39.35 | duderdo | damog: Yeah, I've always used it but I heard there was a fancy python rewrite that was more secure or something |
| 01:39.46 | Eclipser | damog, not that my english is perfect or anything, I'm not native speaker but I love the language |
| 01:39.53 | damog | duderdo: more secure on what way? |
| 01:40.00 | zamaliphe | thechef: but the red light of the came it self is on like it dose one windos when i run it !!! |
| 01:40.07 | damog | Eclipser: well, it's an easy language |
| 01:40.12 | Guerin | Eclipser: english will never disappear |
| 01:40.14 | damog | at least, easier than others |
| 01:40.22 | thechef | okay, what webcam tool do you use zamaliphe? |
| 01:40.25 | Guerin | it'll just become unrecognisable |
| 01:40.34 | Eclipser | Guerin, same thing! |
| 01:40.34 | Guerin | like when people from Glasgow speak it |
| 01:40.40 | duderdo | damog: I have no idea, I had just heard. Well as long as it wasn't an internet wide revolution I'll stick with fetchmail :) |
| 01:40.51 | zamaliphe | thechef: on windows ?? |
| 01:40.55 | thechef | no, linux |
| 01:41.05 | Eclipser | damog, easiness has nothing to do with it :) |
| 01:41.07 | damog | duderdo: Besides, most of the thing also comes from your server side, not only the client fetching the stuff |
| 01:41.08 | zamaliphe | thechef: i didnot use any ? |
| 01:41.18 | zamaliphe | thechef: i dont know any |
| 01:41.21 | duderdo | damog: yeah, that's true. |
| 01:41.25 | topo103 | Eclipser, no men i use etch |
| 01:41.28 | damog | Eclipser: Heh, yeah, well. |
| 01:41.54 | thechef | okay, zamaliphe first of all install some drivers, i guess that one of these packages supports your webcam: apt-get install spca5xx-modules-`uname -r` gspca-modules-`uname -r` |
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| 01:41.57 | Eclipser | etch has sun-java5-jre package, doesn't it? |
| 01:42.11 | damog | packages.debian.org can tell |
| 01:42.20 | Eclipser | !info sun-java5-jre etch |
| 01:42.23 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 7287 kB, Installed size: 16168 kB |
| 01:42.28 | damog | There. |
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| 01:42.30 | thechef | zamaliphe, and then install a tool to view your webcam.. sec.. |
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| 01:43.00 | Eclipser | topo103, install that if you want sun java |
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| 01:44.08 | topo103 | Eclipser, i need java machine virtual por i can use frostwire |
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| 01:44.47 | duderdo | damog: may I ask what you use to send mail? |
| 01:44.58 | zamaliphe | thechef: ok but what that tool name ? |
| 01:45.23 | thechef | zamaliphe, I simply forgot what the webcam tools name |
| 01:45.29 | thechef | s are |
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| 01:47.08 | d00d_ | can someone help me configure my ntfs extreal drive ? |
| 01:47.13 | thechef | zamaliphe, did you install the kernel module pakcages? what does 'ls /dev | grep video' say after you replugged the webcam after installing the modules |
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| 01:47.58 | rainyrhythm | hello? |
| 01:48.18 | rainyrhythm | anyone ? |
| 01:48.24 | d00d_ | hi |
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| 01:48.46 | rainyrhythm | how i force remove a package |
| 01:49.10 | d00d_ | rainyrhythm, sudo apt-get remove |
| 01:49.22 | rainyrhythm | dood, It stucked at either prerm or postrm script |
| 01:49.23 | zamaliphe | thechef: ok thanks alot i'm doing dist upgrad now but i will install the kernel module after i finish it |
| 01:49.36 | thechef | okay |
| 01:49.46 | thechef | do you use etch, zamaliphe? |
| 01:49.56 | zamaliphe | thechef: yes |
| 01:50.22 | rainyrhythm | got any idea to bypass it ? |
| 01:50.26 | thechef | and right now 'ls /dev | grep video' doesn't list anything? |
| 01:51.13 | zamaliphe | thechef: yes |
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| 01:53.23 | arrenlex | How might I make aptitude not install recommended packages? |
| 01:53.23 | arrenlex | Permanently, without passing -R every time? |
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| 01:55.25 | dooglus | petemc: I missed underguiz's story re. 'ontrack stuff' - did he end up buying some recovery software? |
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| 01:57.32 | arrenlex | Nevermind, I found iit. |
| 01:57.46 | sivik_ | darn, the guy i needed to chat with isn't here |
| 01:58.15 | Guerin | sivik_: maybe you should make an annpointment |
| 01:58.19 | Guerin | or ... a date! |
| 01:58.28 | arrenlex | Buy flowers. |
| 01:58.41 | dooglus | sivik_: I think you might have the wrong channel. #gaychat is next door |
| 01:58.42 | Guerin | or just turn up nakjed, with beer |
| 01:58.54 | tvynr | If I've just touched /dev/ram1 and then finished with it... how do I deallocate the RAM that it used? |
| 01:58.56 | Guerin | dooglus: who mentioned anything gay? |
| 01:59.04 | dooglus | Guerin: I did |
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| 01:59.29 | Guerin | dooglus: how do you know sivik_ isn't a hot 19 year-old blonde? |
| 01:59.42 | dooglus | Guerin: in #debian? please |
| 01:59.57 | Guerin | dooglus: just because YOU are fat and ugly doesn't mean WE are |
| 02:00.21 | dooglus | heh. nobody ever called me 'fat' before |
| 02:00.29 | stevepastelan | but no denying the ugly? |
| 02:00.30 | rainyrhythm | anyone know how to bypass postrm script when removing a package ? |
| 02:00.30 | stevepastelan | ;p |
| 02:00.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:00.48 | dooglus | well, the 'ugly' bit is debatable, but the 'fat' bit isn't... |
| 02:00.48 | Guerin | rainyrhythm: delete it from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 02:01.40 | dooglus | rainyrhythm: put an 'exit 0' at the start of it? |
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| 02:01.55 | Guerin | fuck that, just del;ete the damn thign |
| 02:02.04 | Guerin | or fix it, bue hey |
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| 02:03.51 | rainyrhythm | dooglus, it worked, thanks :) |
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| 02:04.12 | stevepastelan | friends I have a silly question |
| 02:04.13 | stevepastelan | two actually |
| 02:04.21 | stevepastelan | first: how do you pronounce 'linux'? |
| 02:04.34 | bzed | rainyrhythm: if you're nice you're going to report a bug, if it was the latest version of tha package |
| 02:04.47 | Ronin | stevepastelan: does it really matter? lnix is how i say it |
| 02:04.55 | stevepastelan | ronin: it does a little bit |
| 02:05.01 | bzed | stevepastelan: depends on the country :) |
| 02:05.08 | stevepastelan | because the second question is: what rhymes with linux? |
| 02:05.12 | bzed | tux |
| 02:05.18 | bzed | you noob |
| 02:05.20 | bzed | what else |
| 02:05.25 | Ronin | stevepastelan: doubt that, its sort of like tomato tomato how you say it depends where you live |
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| 02:06.29 | stevepastelan | bzed: isn't tux 'TAHks' and linux 'L*nooks'? |
| 02:06.46 | stevepastelan | or can tux be called 'TOOks'? |
| 02:06.56 | Ronin | tux as in tuxedo |
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| 02:07.02 | stevepastelan | oh |
| 02:07.12 | stevepastelan | and then linux is pronounced to rhyme with tux? |
| 02:07.15 | Ronin | but thats just me, like we said all depends on your location |
| 02:07.17 | thechef | zamaliphe, to test your webcam you can just use youtube. just make sure you have flash 9 (not flash 7) installed. |
| 02:07.19 | Ronin | stevepastelan: why? |
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| 02:07.37 | ryty | anyone else running amd64 and having problems compiling fglrx? |
| 02:07.46 | Ronin | stevepastelan: not for me its not, its tux/tuxedo and lnix as we'll nix that in the buc |
| 02:07.55 | zamaliphe | thechef: ok htanks |
| 02:08.03 | bzed | stevepastelan: for me it is |
| 02:08.08 | zamaliphe | thechef: ok thanks alot |
| 02:08.20 | stevepastelan | ah |
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| 02:08.37 | stevepastelan | I just wanted to incorporate linux into song :) |
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| 02:08.52 | stevepastelan | perhaps some sort of debian rap |
| 02:08.56 | stevepastelan | or a torvalds ballad |
| 02:09.04 | Ronin | stevepastelan: you need a gf :) |
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| 02:09.27 | bzed | or a boyfriend, depending on your taste |
| 02:09.33 | Ronin | bzed: yep |
| 02:09.36 | thechef | zamaliphe, it may happen that your there aren't spca5xx modules available for your kernel, then you have to compile it yourself. install the package module-assistant and go through all steps and select spca5xx, that should do it. |
| 02:09.48 | bzed | or a doll, but that would be a weird taste |
| 02:09.52 | Ronin | Xenguy: heh |
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| 02:09.57 | Xenguy | hehe |
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| 02:10.02 | bzed | Xenguy: thumbsup :D |
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| 02:10.22 | stevepastelan | lol |
| 02:10.36 | Xenguy | reminds me of the ol' sysadmin joke: the 'l' in user is silent ;-) |
| 02:10.36 | lintingintskeet | . |
| 02:10.50 | bzed | !luser stevepastelan |
| 02:10.58 | bzed | damnit |
| 02:11.03 | stevepastelan | o.O |
| 02:11.10 | bzed | I'll have to write somethign about luser for dpkg |
| 02:11.14 | bzed | !lart stevepastelan |
| 02:11.23 | Xenguy | bzed: it is a classic by now |
| 02:11.27 | stevepastelan | ! |
| 02:11.30 | stevepastelan | !lart bzed |
| 02:11.32 | zamaliphe | thechef: i have the module-assistant installed i guess case i have install nvidia debian pkg installed |
| 02:11.37 | Xenguy | woof woof |
| 02:11.43 | Xenguy | ahhhh |
| 02:11.51 | bzed | !tell zamaliphe about nvidia one-liner |
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| 02:13.02 | dooglus | stevepastelan: http://youtube.com/watch?v=b6YCUWlbBMo ? |
| 02:13.19 | Ronin | dooglus: that the kill -9 one? |
| 02:13.32 | x3n0 | Hi, I am having a few problems initialiseing a swap file. Can anyone help me little? |
| 02:14.26 | dooglus | Ronin: no, it's a crappy linux song, but it includes the word 'linux', so you can hear how it's said |
| 02:14.33 | Ronin | ahh |
| 02:15.04 | bzed | x3n0: what is the problem? |
| 02:15.13 | x3n0 | All the required steps have been implemented but my system refuses to use the swap file... |
| 02:15.31 | ryty | x3n0: that's a good thing? |
| 02:15.45 | bzed | x3n0: so you've used dd to create a file, and you've run mkswap on the file? |
| 02:15.48 | Ronin | x3n0: why would it? |
| 02:16.13 | x3n0 | I created a 3072 Mb file with dd |
| 02:16.25 | x3n0 | run mkswap on it |
| 02:16.42 | x3n0 | run swapon aswell |
| 02:16.46 | Ronin | x3n0: why should your system be using the swap file? you run that low on ram? |
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| 02:17.02 | bzed | x3n0: did you run swapon or swapon filename? |
| 02:17.19 | x3n0 | down to my last 21Mb right at this second! |
| 02:17.29 | tarcisio | portugues aqui |
| 02:17.34 | stevepastelan | dooglus: thank you. |
| 02:17.37 | x3n0 | swapon filename |
| 02:17.39 | Ronin | x3n0: but is it being used? |
| 02:17.53 | bzed | x3n0: what's the output of the command? |
| 02:17.56 | Ronin | remember unused memory is wasted memory |
| 02:18.06 | x3n0 | 3072Mb free on a 3072Mb swapfile |
| 02:18.08 | bzed | x3n0: please paste the output of free into a pastebin |
| 02:18.34 | Guerin | mmm, beer and leftover chinese |
| 02:18.38 | Guerin | breakfast of champions |
| 02:18.39 | tarcisio | sala em portugues? |
| 02:18.46 | Ronin | !br |
| 02:18.46 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:18.48 | Guerin | !br |
| 02:18.50 | x3n0 | the output of what cammand? |
| 02:18.52 | Guerin | humbug |
| 02:18.54 | Ronin | x3n0: free |
| 02:19.20 | x3n0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.20 | x3n0 | Mem: 1035060 1012524 22536 0 579540 189120 |
| 02:19.20 | x3n0 | -/+ buffers/cache: 243864 791196 |
| 02:19.20 | x3n0 | Swap: 3145720 0 3145720 |
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| 02:19.31 | ryty | haha, pwnt. |
| 02:19.32 | Ronin | apparently they missed the pastebin part as well |
| 02:20.02 | sivik_ | dooglus: i need to talk to BSDameon or whatever his name was |
| 02:20.14 | ryty | BSDaemon |
| 02:20.20 | sivik_ | yeah, i can't spell |
| 02:20.29 | ryty | sivik_: tried #cisco? |
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| 02:21.01 | x3n0 | oops! |
| 02:21.09 | sivik_ | is it the same guy thats normally in here |
| 02:21.18 | bzed | x3n0: anyway |
| 02:21.32 | bzed | x3n0: you have almost 800m of free ram, why should your system swap? |
| 02:22.05 | Ronin | x3n0: im betting your new to linux and how it manages memory? |
| 02:22.12 | bzed | x3n0: you need to pay attention to the -/+ buffers/cache: line ;) |
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| 02:22.27 | x3n0 | quiet new |
| 02:22.37 | bzed | x3n0: linux uses free memory to cache disk-IO and stuff |
| 02:22.49 | x3n0 | got that bit |
| 02:23.01 | Guerin | the thing is |
| 02:23.03 | bzed | x3n0: so all free ram which is not used by any applications is used for caching. and freed if needed |
| 02:23.10 | Guerin | when your box starts swapping, you'll *notice* |
| 02:23.16 | Ronin | x3n0: simply, very simply put, it considers unused memory as wasted so it will use all, but when you open say galeon it will free up what is needed |
| 02:23.19 | Guerin | it'll slow down by a factor of at least ten |
| 02:23.29 | Guerin | for trivial things, like switching window focus |
| 02:23.37 | Ronin | and yes i know thats a painfuly simple explanation |
| 02:23.41 | Wyzard | I've read that Vista does the same thing, using available RAM for cache, so hopefully a few years from now people switching to Linux won't be unaccustomed to this :-) |
| 02:23.44 | Guerin | until that starts happening, don';t give your ram situation a second thought |
| 02:23.58 | bzed | x3n0: but running totally without swap could result into problems, so you should just add your swapfile to /etc/fstab and be happy |
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| 02:24.13 | x3n0 | have done |
| 02:24.21 | bzed | then |
| 02:24.33 | bzed | play a game or have other fun, your system is fine with a lot of free mem |
| 02:24.42 | x3n0 | I'm not totally green when it comes to linux. |
| 02:24.53 | Ronin | x3n0: this is mine Mem: 906736 867700 3903 |
| 02:24.56 | waspius | is there a command that will close a program i want in an hour? |
| 02:25.09 | Ronin | the important part is as said the -/+ |
| 02:25.21 | ryty | waspius: research at |
| 02:25.25 | ryty | "at" |
| 02:25.25 | Wyzard | waspius: You could use "at" to schedule a kill command to be run at a certain time |
| 02:25.29 | orkid | waspius, sleep some#; pkill someprogram |
| 02:25.29 | x3n0 | Its just the memory management side that I haven't had to deal with too much before. |
| 02:25.53 | Ronin | right i need sleep before i fall asleep at the keyboard |
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| 02:27.10 | waspius | so if i want movie player to stop playing in an hour the command would be kill movie player at 03:27 ? |
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| 02:27.38 | bzed | waspius: not sure if you program is really called 'movie player', though. you'd ahve to use the real name |
| 02:27.43 | x3n0 | The only reason I asked is that my system seems a little slow from time to time... |
| 02:27.59 | waspius | ok..but that would be the command? |
| 02:28.07 | bzed | !tell x3n0 about cron |
| 02:28.14 | waspius | thanx allot |
| 02:28.14 | Wyzard | x3n0: Being low on RAM won't slow down your system, unless you're so low on RAM that it starts swapping |
| 02:28.18 | bzed | waspius: yes.. sleep and then kill :) |
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| 02:28.37 | waspius | bzed: if i use only the sleep command what will happen? |
| 02:28.43 | bzed | x3n0: chances are good that there's just a cronjob running in the background |
| 02:29.02 | bzed | waspius: try sleep 3 in a console |
| 02:29.29 | waspius | bzed: ok i did |
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| 02:29.36 | waspius | nothing seems to have happened |
| 02:29.38 | bzed | waspius: you could also use the at daemon |
| 02:29.46 | x3n0 | earlier wine had gone a little power crazy after the app was killed |
| 02:29.54 | bzed | waspius: right. it goes back to the shell promt after sleeping 3 secs |
| 02:29.58 | x3n0 | had to kill the process |
| 02:30.18 | bzed | waspius: you could use at 03:27am |
| 02:30.32 | bzed | enter the commands you want to run at that time |
| 02:30.33 | waspius | bzed: so by putting a program to sleep it just stops for the time u set it and then restarts? |
| 02:30.42 | bzed | waspius: no |
| 02:30.46 | waspius | oh |
| 02:30.53 | bzed | waspius: sleep just waits the time and returns |
| 02:31.01 | Wyzard | waspius: You're *running* a program called sleep, which waits that long before exiting |
| 02:31.06 | Wyzard | not putting your shell to sleep |
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| 02:31.14 | bzed | waspius: you'd have to use kill -s STOP to put a program into sleep |
| 02:31.17 | dooglus | sivik_: you sure he's usually here? I don't see him in my logs |
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| 02:31.37 | Wyzard | But if you tell the shell to run sleep first, then kill, it'll have the effect of running kill later, when sleep finishes |
| 02:31.40 | waspius | oh so..then sleep is like the countdown and kill excetutes..right? |
| 02:31.47 | bzed | !seen BSDameon |
| 02:31.48 | dpkg | bzed: i haven't seen 'bsdameon' |
| 02:31.52 | Wyzard | right |
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| 02:31.56 | waspius | ok...thanx |
| 02:31.56 | bzed | !seen BSDaemon |
| 02:31.57 | dpkg | bzed: i haven't seen 'bsdaemon' |
| 02:32.03 | ryty | !seen BSDaemon |
| 02:32.12 | bzed | waspius: yes |
| 02:32.21 | bzed | waspius: well kill kills a process |
| 02:32.22 | waspius | thanx guys |
| 02:32.26 | bzed | waspius: man kill |
| 02:32.29 | bzed | waspius: man at |
| 02:32.31 | Wyzard | waspius: Keep in mind that "kill" expects a numeric process ID |
| 02:32.38 | bzed | waspius: man pkill |
| 02:32.46 | bzed | waspius: man bash :) |
| 02:32.47 | Wyzard | waspius: You might want to use "pkill" or "killall" to specify the process by command name instead |
| 02:32.59 | waspius | ok |
| 02:33.05 | waspius | thnk u |
| 02:33.56 | x3n0 | right, now thats ironed out... ;) (thnx for pointers) |
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| 02:34.40 | waspius | sleep 4:00 kill 13371 |
| 02:34.45 | waspius | oups sorry |
| 02:34.54 | waspius | wrong window |
| 02:34.55 | x3n0 | does anyone have any favourite apps they think I could play with?? |
| 02:35.04 | x3n0 | totally OT |
| 02:35.28 | kelsin | screen |
| 02:35.34 | kelsin | emacs and irssi :) |
| 02:35.37 | bzed | x3n0: eclipse |
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| 02:35.39 | Guerin | x3n0: latex |
| 02:35.48 | Guerin | that should keep him busy |
| 02:35.54 | bzed | definitely |
| 02:36.10 | bzed | x3n0: write a book about eclipse in eclipse using latex |
| 02:36.12 | x3n0 | I've been playing with eclipse v. good IDE |
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| 02:36.35 | bzed | x3n0: amarok is running all the time here |
| 02:36.40 | bzed | gaim |
| 02:36.43 | bzed | xchat |
| 02:36.59 | bzed | hugin, inkscape, gimp |
| 02:37.08 | kelsin | bitlbee, irc server to connect to IM servers :) I love it, best command line IM choice :) |
| 02:37.29 | x3n0 | love amorak too have ~1.4Tb of media piped into it! ;) |
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| 02:37.36 | waspius | oh and one last thing..in order for the sleep command to work do u need to have the terminal opened or not? |
| 02:38.23 | waspius | meaning to i need to add & at the end or does it go to the backround on its own |
| 02:38.48 | Wyzard | It doesn't background itself |
| 02:38.51 | Wyzard | Only daemons do that |
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| 02:38.54 | x3n0 | "screen" haven't come across that. Whats it for? |
| 02:39.02 | waspius | ok |
| 02:39.07 | bzed | makes no sense to put the sleep command in the background as you want to execute the kill after it waspius |
| 02:39.07 | waspius | thanx again |
| 02:39.11 | rainyrhythm | waspius, you can use "disown -a" to disown it from shell |
| 02:39.16 | bzed | !tell x3n0 about apt-cache show |
| 02:39.23 | Wyzard | It'd be better to use "at" rather than sleep, since "at" is indeed a daemon |
| 02:39.24 | bzed | !tell x3n0 about apt-cache |
| 02:39.42 | bzed | Wyzard: defintely |
| 02:39.47 | bzed | waspius: man at |
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| 02:40.00 | Wyzard | (Actually, "at" just schedules an action with an already-running daemon called "atd", but the effect is the same) |
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| 02:40.12 | waspius | ok...i will have to get back to u another time if i dont remember all this cause it is quite late and i have been trying to setup my machine since morning |
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| 02:40.20 | waspius | thanx allot for the help though |
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| 02:41.39 | x3n0 | talking about apt. |
| 02:42.04 | bzed | x3n0: you want to use mysql or postgres with amarok if you have 1.4TB in |
| 02:42.16 | x3n0 | mysql |
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| 02:43.25 | x3n0 | are there any pitfalls if I use apt-get install "-f" ... ? |
| 02:43.44 | Wyzard | You should use aptitude, actually |
| 02:43.47 | ryty | x3n0: it won't stop if something breaks? |
| 02:43.52 | Guerin | x3n0: yes. it could `fix' your shit |
| 02:44.00 | Guerin | !fix x3n0 |
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| 02:44.43 | x3n0 | I ment "Can it break any other packages on my system?" |
| 02:45.11 | bzed | x3n0: -f == --fix |
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| 02:45.26 | bzed | x3n0: you need to be careful with dpkg --force-*, though |
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| 02:45.51 | x3n0 | ok |
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| 02:47.26 | x3n0 | Has anyone entertained L. F. S. here? |
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| 02:48.02 | ryty | x3n0: if we did, we wouldn't be running Debian. |
| 02:48.11 | x3n0 | lol |
| 02:48.15 | Guerin | debian is for lazy people |
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| 02:48.34 | Guerin | we can't be arsed with that shit, would rather sir around drinking beer and shooting the shit on irc |
| 02:48.46 | x3n0 | lol |
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| 02:50.07 | x3n0 | though ubuntu was for the lazy? (or just n00bs) |
| 02:50.10 | bzed | !beer Guerin |
| 02:50.33 | ryty | !beer ryty |
| 02:50.35 | cafuego_ | ANy etch users on an alpha here? I'm able to install & boot fine, but at system startup, I get no console, as if the kernel is displaying to elsewhere. (Not booting with console=XXX anything) |
| 02:50.35 | x3n0 | !beer x3n0 |
| 02:50.48 | ryty | lol |
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| 02:51.29 | ryty | cafuego_: so, set it in the boot loader? |
| 02:51.38 | cafuego_ | set what in the bootloader? |
| 02:51.41 | x3n0 | sis for me |
| 02:51.48 | ryty | it. |
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| 02:54.13 | x3n0 | is domino available as a .deb? |
| 02:55.26 | bzed | lotus domino? |
| 02:55.37 | dvs | I wish |
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| 03:00.25 | topo103 | ole donde estan los themes del xfce4 ? |
| 03:00.32 | pipeline | topo103: #debian-es |
| 03:00.43 | topo103 | sooy |
| 03:00.47 | topo103 | sorry |
| 03:00.52 | x3n0 | the window decoration |
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| 03:03.02 | baggend | Anyone know how to force an interface to get an IPv6 address from a radvd server? |
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| 03:08.46 | leonardof | hello. I'm a GNOME translator, but I also care about translating iso-codes. I want to keep up with SVN because it seems that, with GNU's TP robot, I'll always translate the package *after* it's released. I checked out iso-code's SVN trunk, but now I don't know how to create a POT file. In GNOME I'd go to the po dir and "intltool-update pt_BR", but that doesn't seem to work with iso-codes. Could anyone tell me how to generate the POT from the iso-code |
| 03:08.46 | leonardof | xml files? |
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| 03:13.08 | stevepastelan | friends |
| 03:13.12 | stevepastelan | how come ifconfig is in /sbin |
| 03:13.14 | dvs | where? |
| 03:13.17 | stevepastelan | should it be like that? |
| 03:13.47 | markybob | ...because only root should be messing with network settings... |
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| 03:14.13 | Guerin | leonardof: is this a svn question or a translation question? |
| 03:14.39 | Wyzard | markybob: but it can also be used by non-root users to view the network configuration |
| 03:15.06 | Wyzard | stevepastelan: ifconfig is deprecated these days, in favor of the "ip" command from the "iproute" package, and that's in /bin |
| 03:15.12 | markybob | Wyzard, yes. so? |
| 03:15.30 | Wyzard | markybob: so having to type "/sbin/ifconfig" instead of just "ifconifig" is slightly annoying |
| 03:15.30 | stevepastelan | oh, cool |
| 03:15.42 | Wyzard | stevepastelan: "ip addr show eth0" |
| 03:16.31 | markybob | Wyzard, i dont think so. keeps script kiddies who dont know anything away from it |
| 03:16.37 | leonardof | Guerin: it's a svn howto for translators question :) |
| 03:16.51 | stevepastelan | ty Wyzard :) |
| 03:17.01 | stevepastelan | I hope they still use ls |
| 03:17.03 | Guerin | peterS: do you do svn-for-translateors? |
| 03:17.13 | Guerin | maybe translating stuff in to Kansese |
| 03:17.19 | peterS | Guerin: eh? |
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| 03:17.35 | Guerin | peterS: ↑ |
| 03:17.37 | peterS | I don't quite understand what you mean by svn-for-translators |
| 03:17.38 | Guerin | don't ask me |
| 03:17.53 | peterS | oh, I see, you're referring someone else's question to me |
| 03:18.00 | xai | We have legacy software that forces us to keep an old version of libc6, so we can't upgrade for timezone changes.. Can I fix this manually? |
| 03:18.03 | Guerin | aren't I kind |
| 03:18.11 | dvs | !dst |
| 03:18.12 | dpkg | it has been said that dst is Daylight Savings Time. Clocks "spring forward" 1 hour in spring(March/April) and "fall back" in the fall(October/November). DST was extended for 2007 by several countries, most prominently the USA and Canada. |
| 03:18.21 | dvs | oh wrong factoid |
| 03:18.24 | xai | ie. can I put timezone data in for our timezone in /usr/share/zoneinfo ? |
| 03:18.38 | dvs | xai: yes, you can get this from etch |
| 03:19.01 | xai | dvs: how should I do it? just copy the data over? |
| 03:19.08 | dvs | xai: yes |
| 03:19.29 | bzed | uh |
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| 03:19.33 | xai | dvs: ok.. I was unsure sine the timezone data is in some sort of binary format and I didn't want to break anything. |
| 03:19.51 | bzed | as far as I remember does sarge know about DST |
| 03:19.59 | peterS | leonardof: where is the source repository for iso-codes? |
| 03:20.06 | bzed | I think sarge and etch even have the same timezone-files xai |
| 03:20.23 | xai | I can't upgrade libc6... ! |
| 03:20.35 | peterS | bzed: no, etch has newer timezone files. governments around the world are constantly making little changes to their rules, so several updates per year are necessary in order to keep up |
| 03:20.44 | xai | Because we have proprietary software that needs the old version to work. |
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| 03:21.34 | peterS | bzed: most importantly, in etch the timezone data was split into its own package, so it's much simpler to update than it was before, when it was bundled into libc6 |
| 03:21.57 | bzed | peterS: but I'm pretty sure that the change in DST is allready included in sarge |
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| 03:22.25 | peterS | bzed: what is this "DST" of which you speak? there are many updates to various timezones around the world which are not in sarge but are in etch |
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| 03:22.40 | xai | bzed: that may be true but I have a very old version of libc6 which i can't change because of reasons already mentioned. |
| 03:22.49 | Guerin | from /. `I had a good beer that came in a can, about a month ago. Liked it so much, I went out and bought a six-pack.' <--- does a six-pack really qualify as significant expenditure on beer? |
| 03:23.02 | peterS | Guerin: heh |
| 03:23.07 | Guerin | i don't know *anyone* who buys beer in units less than 12. |
| 03:23.13 | bzed | xai: uh that sucks, thoguh... you should slap that proprietary software and get something good |
| 03:23.24 | peterS | xai: how old is old? |
| 03:23.48 | leonardof | peterS, Guerin: I already checked out |
| 03:23.50 | xai | bzed: i wish i could.. 2.3.2.ds1-21 |
| 03:23.54 | dvs | Guerin: even at a bar? ;-) |
| 03:24.01 | leonardof | peterS, Guerin: I just don't know how to make the pot. |
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| 03:24.09 | peterS | leonardof: dude I asked you a question. you refuse to answer it. therefore I do not have enough information to answer your question. have a nice day. |
| 03:24.09 | bzed | peterS: there's a change of DST in the US |
| 03:24.35 | Guerin | dvs: in a bar we buy by the round |
| 03:24.37 | peterS | bzed: ah, why didn't you say so? by leaving out that information you give the impression that the US is the only place in the world where timezone updates happen from time to time |
| 03:24.40 | dvs | oh |
| 03:24.40 | leonardof | peterS: I am sorry it took too much time to answer you |
| 03:24.56 | cafuego_ | Linux boeing 2.6.18-3-alpha-generic #1 Mon Dec 4 16:04:14 UTC 2006 alpha GNU/Linux |
| 03:25.01 | dvs | yeah. Austrailia doesn't count. |
| 03:25.02 | leonardof | peterS: I had to make something, and now I'm back. |
| 03:25.15 | bzed | peterS: no, but as far as I know it's the only place which changes DST.. becuase all other know that DST is sensless |
| 03:25.19 | Guerin | NZ is likely changing DST later this year |
| 03:25.28 | peterS | leonardof: I still don't have enough information to answer your question. so until you supply it (I already asked), I won't even try |
| 03:25.38 | bzed | Guerin: I hope they drop it |
| 03:25.58 | Guerin | bzed: where? |
| 03:26.01 | peterS | bzed: your tunnel vision is remarkable. you seriously believe daylight saving time is a phenomenon specific to the US? |
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| 03:26.21 | Guerin | and then there's the idea that it's a BAD thing |
| 03:26.52 | leonardof | peterS: I have a translated, but old pt_BR.po file. I have the trunk of iso-codes here. i wanto to msgmerge, but I don't have a pot file, and when I entered the room I was asking how to make the pot file. |
| 03:26.52 | bzed | peterS: no |
| 03:26.58 | bzed | peterS: I didn;t say that |
| 03:27.07 | bzed | Guerin: everywhere |
| 03:27.14 | Guerin | bzed: you lose. |
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| 03:27.24 | peterS | leonardof: yes and I asked you a question about that, which you ignored. so now I'm going to ignore you. again, have a nice day. |
| 03:27.34 | Guerin | daylight saving is an unmitigated win for everyone who doesn't spend all their evenings in a cube farm |
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| 03:28.01 | cafuego_ | Guerin: depending on one's latitude, yes |
| 03:28.07 | bzed | Guerin: get up more early |
| 03:28.31 | Guerin | cafuego_: right. Below about 30° it's stupid |
| 03:28.34 | leonardof | peterS: there is a lot of people talking in this room, and aparently I missed it. I'm not being rude to you. Could you repeat your question? |
| 03:28.37 | xai | That's strange. I just updated my tzdata on my etch box, and it still shows the old timezone data with zdump.... ? |
| 03:28.42 | cafuego_ | Guerin: above, you mean? |
| 03:28.46 | Guerin | bzed: an hour in the morning is nothing like as useful as one in the evening |
| 03:28.52 | cafuego_ | Guerin: or did you move back to kimchi-land? ;-) |
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| 03:29.05 | Guerin | cafuego_: o (equator) > 90 (pole) |
| 03:29.22 | Guerin | cafuego_: nah, still in Noo Zillun. Doing Masters. |
| 03:29.30 | bzed | Guerin: the savings which were supposed to happen by introducing DST didn't show up at all... the stupid time zone change confuses me for at least one month per year |
| 03:29.53 | cafuego_ | bzed: oh well, if it's inconvenient for *you* we better get rid of it |
| 03:29.55 | leonardof | peterS: I grepped the log and found your question. |
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| 03:30.01 | piper69 | Ankman: you here today |
| 03:30.04 | leonardof | peterS: svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-isocodes/trunk/iso-codes |
| 03:30.06 | Guerin | bzed: just because you don't have any need for evenings. |
| 03:30.08 | cafuego_ | Guerin: meh, south pole is down, not up ;-) |
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| 03:33.24 | magyar | how can i edit the fstab file so if a usb drive is removed it will not hang the system at reboot? |
| 03:34.34 | leonardof | peterS, when Guerin asked you to help me I never though you could be so rude. honestly, I heard a lot about gnome being unfriendly, but I was never, ever, treated 1/1000 as badly. If I found another barrier -- like you -- I'll consider leaving iso-codes translation alone. |
| 03:35.20 | peterS | ok dude, listen. you asked for help, I asked you for information so that I could DO SOME RESEARCH in order to help you. you didn't provide the information. how am I supposed to react? |
| 03:35.36 | thechef | magyar, option: noauto |
| 03:36.14 | peterS | do you think I already knew the answer to your question? if I had known it, I wouldn't have needed to download the source repository. right now I'm reading Makefile.am from that repository, in order to get an idea of the process of generating a pot file. |
| 03:36.36 | magyar | thechef: thank you |
| 03:36.49 | thechef | but then it won't be mounted, you would add the 'user' option too so it's mounted as soon as you click on it with your desktop environment |
| 03:37.27 | leonardof | peterS: sorry for talking like that. you said you'd ignore me, than you stopped talking to me, i thought you were really ignoring me. |
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| 03:37.45 | peterS | I don't always work for free. I don't always go out of my way to figure out something about some source code I've never used before, to help with a translation process I've never been involved in. |
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| 03:37.58 | Guerin | peterS: huh, don't you maintain svn? |
| 03:38.07 | peterS | Guerin: this isn't really a svn question |
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| 03:38.10 | Guerin | oh |
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| 03:38.23 | Guerin | it all makes sense now |
| 03:38.53 | rpc | hello folks |
| 03:39.02 | bzed | n8 :) |
| 03:39.32 | rpc | what would be the easiest method of cutting a traffic on a given interface? so i can cap it to say 5mbit up/down per ip or eth device |
| 03:40.05 | peterS | leonardof: it appears that what you want to do, in the top level directory, is run './configure'. this will create a makefile. then in each directory you can run 'make dirname.pot' to get a dirname.pot file (iso_639.pot for example). |
| 03:40.24 | leonardof | peterS: i'll try it now. |
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| 03:40.52 | peterS | this does leave me wondering why the pkg-isocodes people put configure into svn. but that is their problem, not mine. |
| 03:41.10 | peterS | also I wonder why they store some, but not all, pot files in svn |
| 03:41.11 | magyar | thechef: what about "defaults" ? |
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| 03:41.31 | thechef | you add it afters defaults |
| 03:41.41 | thechef | without space after the comma |
| 03:41.48 | leonardof | peterS: works for 3166, which was the file I already translated. Thanks! |
| 03:41.53 | peterS | heh |
| 03:41.54 | thechef | you should also read 'man fstab' |
| 03:42.07 | peterS | iso-639 is probably less important, it's also frickin huge |
| 03:42.45 | leonardof | peterS: i'm working on it ;) |
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| 03:42.58 | thechef | magyar, i would write: defaults,user,noauto |
| 03:43.06 | thechef | depends on purpose of that usb disk |
| 03:43.21 | peterS | leonardof: question is whether you want to bother with iso_639_3.pot, which is probably even bigger than iso_639.pot (not that I've actually checked) |
| 03:43.26 | leonardof | peterS: 639-2 is really huge, but then most -2-only names won't have a translation for pt_BR. |
| 03:43.29 | debian | I promise this is for the legitimate use: how to force wget *not* obey robot.txt? |
| 03:43.32 | peterS | right |
| 03:43.45 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:43.46 | leonardof | peterS: yes, -3 is huge |
| 03:43.46 | rpc | is it true that it's impossible to shape incoming traffic? |
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| 03:43.50 | keram | hey |
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| 03:44.12 | keram | is there a way to install the unstable version of audacity on my etch box? |
| 03:44.15 | magyar | thechef: backup |
| 03:44.20 | keram | is there an easy way to get that package? |
| 03:44.24 | Guerin | keram: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 03:44.31 | magyar | thechef: thanks again |
| 03:44.44 | thechef | np, gtg now, cu |
| 03:44.46 | peterS | rpc: there isn't much point. by the time the traffic reaches your box, it has already done its damage (used up bandwidth) |
| 03:44.49 | keram | Guerin, but i want to get the unstable package on my testing box |
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| 03:45.04 | tvynr | rpc: Sort of true. |
| 03:45.04 | Guerin | keram: no, you don't. |
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| 03:45.09 | peterS | rpc: the place to shape traffic is _before_ it hits the network link you care about. by the time incoming traffic hits your box it's too late |
| 03:45.18 | keram | Guerin, i dont? |
| 03:45.23 | Guerin | keram: no. |
| 03:45.26 | rpc | hm yes that in fact makes alot of sense... |
| 03:45.30 | tvynr | rpc: There are a couple things you can do to try to encourage the other side to play nice. |
| 03:45.41 | rpc | tvynr hm |
| 03:45.57 | rpc | but how about if the actual device i'm trying to shape isn't the main interface? |
| 03:46.07 | rpc | e.g. a tap device |
| 03:46.08 | keram | Guerin, another apt related problem |
| 03:46.20 | keram | Guerin, when i do 'aptitude update' i get the following errors |
| 03:46.21 | Guerin | keram: ? |
| 03:46.26 | tvynr | rpc: For example, if you start dropping a percentage packets that you've received, forcing the other side to repeat them, it should cause the sender's networking code to recognize that it's flooding you and back off. |
| 03:46.30 | Guerin | keram: do not paste |
| 03:46.46 | tvynr | rpc: But there's no real practical application of this, 'cause it gets noisy after you add more than a couple links. |
| 03:46.46 | peterS | rpc: incoming data is incoming data. if you don't control the computer that is putting the packets onto the wire, I don't see how you can effectively shape anything |
| 03:46.53 | tvynr | rpc: In effect, you can't. |
| 03:46.53 | rpc | tvynr oh yes that seems to be making alot of sense too... |
| 03:46.55 | keram | http://rafb.net/p/FHrMCT96.html |
| 03:47.09 | thechef | <peterS> rpc: there isn't much point. by the time the traffic reaches your box, it has already done its damage (used up bandwidth) <- can't you just drop packages that are "too much", this way you are telling the other side, that is has to send packets slower. Maybe I'm wrong, but i thought iptables supports such a method. |
| 03:49.40 | rpc | peterS i don't care about packets hitting the main interface.. i just want to limit the max in/outbound for the "slave" tap device connected over eth bridge |
| 03:49.40 | Guerin | keram: use dselect to rebuild your status file |
| 03:49.40 | debian | well, this is proven to be a difficult question. I'lluse httrack instead . Thanks |
| 03:49.40 | peterS | thechef: you can do that, as tvynr describes. but it's not at all useful for preventing a malicious DOS. and it only works at all for protocols like TCP that try to do flow control |
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| 03:49.41 | keram | Guerin, how do i do that? |
| 03:49.41 | rpc | thechef hm that's what tvynr said and he seems right, the other party should act cool and lower the rate, kind of passive traffic shaping :) |
| 03:49.41 | rpc | peterS i'm not preventing dos... |
| 03:49.41 | Guerin | keram: i forget. Read the dselect documentation. |
| 03:49.41 | tvynr | rpc: It's not very effective, though; I stopped using it. |
| 03:49.42 | peterS | rpc: indeed, that's exactly how routers behave when they get overloaded. TCP is designed to notice this (eventually) and cooperate. |
| 03:49.42 | rpc | tvynr oh hm |
| 03:49.42 | tvynr | rpc: Say you have ten connections that you want to cap at X Kb/sec |
| 03:49.42 | tvynr | rpc: You can either cap each connection at X/10 Kb/sec... |
| 03:49.42 | thechef | ah okay |
| 03:49.42 | thechef | cu |
| 03:49.42 | tvynr | rpc: ...or you can try to get them to pool. But even if they're friendly and back off for a bit, by the time the tenth link backs off, the first one picks back up again. |
| 03:49.47 | rpc | tvynr i'm basically trying to cap a virtual interface that is bound to the eth0 via eth bridge |
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| 03:50.14 | tvynr | rpc: Your intention is to restrict the usage of the person on the virtual interface? |
| 03:50.19 | rpc | yes |
| 03:50.26 | keram | Guerin, update available list script returned error exit status 1. |
| 03:50.34 | keram | Guerin, on "dselect update" |
| 03:50.40 | rpc | they might be able to use high-bandwidth with some protocols and i want to efficently shape that, nothing else |
| 03:51.09 | rpc | the device level would be the best, all packets go tru the transparent bridge... |
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| 03:51.40 | tvynr | rpc: AFAIK, there's no clean way to do it... but I don't suppose that you could reduce the performance of your virtual interface so it communicated on some kind of reduced protocol. You know, get the virtual interface to run 10BaseT or something. |
| 03:51.46 | rpc | so it should be possible to cap tap0 that is the "plug" from that other box |
| 03:52.01 | SickOfHorseShit | What are some scanners that will work with Debian. Websearching gives me nothing but garbage. |
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| 03:52.32 | rpc | tvynr hm.. so you suggest just forcing the interface to use different mode.. hmm... in fact seems right :) |
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| 03:52.49 | peterS | SickOfHorseShit: include "site:sane-project.org" in your search |
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| 03:53.00 | rpc | peters he he |
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| 03:53.26 | tvynr | rpc: Good luck with that; it was just the best off the top of my head. :) We just started organizing a scheme where I live where we divided our bandwidth evenly and all behaved responsibly. |
| 03:53.40 | peterS | SickOfHorseShit: or specifically http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html |
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| 03:54.12 | rpc | tvynr hmm |
| 03:54.13 | SickOfHorseShit | peterS: Thanks. I'll try |
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| 03:55.58 | carson | is there a way to force an app to launch of a specific workspace? |
| 03:56.31 | rpc | tvynr thank you very much - digging around to see if that would work |
| 03:57.25 | tvynr | rpc: 'kay. :) Best of luck. |
| 03:59.12 | rpc | tvynr btw i have just found a document on shaping the bridge ;) that's possible with iptables even |
| 03:59.40 | rpc | or there is a way of doing that with u32 filter too... |
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| 04:00.04 | tvynr | rpc: Good deal. Just remember, virtual or not, there's really no way to control what gets sent to you. |
| 04:01.07 | rpc | and that's ip-based, if it works... i'm done :) as i wasn't able to force the interface to use 10mbit :/ that would be still too much anyway, i want to make them 5mbit max |
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| 04:01.08 | rpc | hm yes... in fact the bandwidth will still be in use... they just won't see that |
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| 04:02.56 | rpc | btw i can still shape outgoing... and that's even more important right now :) |
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| 04:04.19 | tvynr | rpc: Usually is, yeah. :) I used to try to tune that stuff myself but I replaced my firewall script with Shorewall and v3 has a built-in shaper. |
| 04:04.27 | tvynr | rpc: And it does a nice job, so I've been content. |
| 04:04.44 | rpc | hmm so you recommend shorewall? i stopped by that one for a sec too |
| 04:04.54 | rpc | it does have shaping in fact.. |
| 04:05.53 | tvynr | rpc: Indeed I do. I use Debian and the mainline Debian packages are a bit lacking. But the shorewall developers make available their own Debian packages. I'm running Shorewall 3.2.4 on a Debian Etch firewall I haven't touched in months. 's been doing great. |
| 04:06.05 | rpc | and i found one more thing... one can efficently limit incoming traffic by seriously limiting OUTgoing traffic.. now that makes sense :) |
| 04:06.18 | karsten | rpc: yes. |
| 04:06.28 | rpc | hello and nice to hear from you :) |
| 04:06.30 | karsten | rpc: In fact, that's the _only_ way you can really regulate incoming traffic. |
| 04:06.48 | karsten | rpc: You can deny stuff, but you can't stop remote from sending it (they'll just retrans). |
| 04:06.50 | rpc | looks like i just hit the gem lol |
| 04:07.04 | karsten | rpc: However, given tcp data, if you delay your acks, they'll have to wait for 'em. |
| 04:07.05 | rpc | right so that's what tvynr said before |
| 04:07.09 | karsten | rpc: tcp handshake is your friend. |
| 04:07.31 | rpc | right, it will be kind of passive defence, forcing source to wait for acks and in fact it will slow down the heat |
| 04:08.04 | rpc | tvynr thank you about the opinion on shorewall as well, will probabaly have a good look too |
| 04:08.08 | karsten | rpc: ... and that's something that's in the protocol stack, so anything that's coded to protocol (most anything) will meet it. If it's _not_ coded to protocol and it's flooding you, your defense is upstream blocking, DNS tricks, selective routing, etc. |
| 04:08.21 | rpc | mhm |
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| 04:09.57 | rpc | that was a really good lesson |
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| 04:11.20 | rokfit | can anyone please help me? I've installed some system fans and I boot my computer to command line. I log in and startx, but x doesn't start. It says no monitor on (0: 0) |
| 04:11.21 | stevepastelan | hai |
| 04:11.34 | stevepastelan | silly question |
| 04:11.38 | karsten | rokfit: Did X work before? |
| 04:11.43 | rokfit | karsten: yes |
| 04:12.02 | karsten | rokfit: Problem solved. |
| 04:12.05 | rokfit | i tried a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:12.09 | rokfit | didn't fix it |
| 04:12.15 | karsten | That was my next suggestion. |
| 04:12.35 | karsten | Check your card seating. Did you jostle anything in the system? Remove and reseat GFX card, and all cables. |
| 04:12.45 | peterS | 'no monitor' makes it sound as though you plugged the monitor into the wrong vga port, but that's unlikely |
| 04:12.45 | stevepastelan | Can I make it so that a directory behaves like an scp or ftp client? |
| 04:12.47 | GeorgeS069 | rokfit: you might try re-seating the video card though I doubt it's gonna help...maybe you bumped it messing with the fans |
| 04:12.55 | stevepastelan | I mean, so that it mirrors a remote directory always |
| 04:13.00 | karsten | Also run 'lspci' see if you can find your gfx card. |
| 04:13.08 | karsten | rokfit: I've gotta split, talk to channel. |
| 04:13.15 | stevepastelan | so that if I write to it, it'll upload the changes to the server |
| 04:13.19 | karsten | GeorgeS069: Beat you to it ;-) |
| 04:13.27 | GeorgeS069 | :P~ |
| 04:13.36 | rokfit | GeorgeS069: any ideas? |
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| 04:14.13 | GeorgeS069 | rokfit: try what karsten said...lspci and see if the card is showing up properly |
| 04:14.33 | peterS | more likely he upgraded his kernel at some point, didn't upgrade his non-free nvidia module, and didn't reboot until he put the fans in. the new kernel booted and poof |
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| 04:16.09 | karsten | peterS: Also a point. |
| 04:16.34 | karsten | rokfit: 'last reboot' shows what? Find additional logfiles in /var/log/wtmp* and man 'last' for how to specify them. |
| 04:18.41 | rokfit | karsten |
| 04:19.00 | rokfit | it looks like a new kernel installed, but i even booted the old kernel, but no video and same error at startx |
| 04:19.14 | rokfit | lspci displayed the video card |
| 04:20.42 | GeorgeS069 | rokfit: do a lsmod and see if the video module loaded with the old kernel |
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| 04:22.37 | rpc | hm not sure how to find which package tc is in.. |
| 04:23.01 | peterS | rpc: it's in 'iproute' |
| 04:23.09 | rokfit | okay what am I looking for with lsmod? |
| 04:23.10 | rpc | thank you very much peterS |
| 04:23.21 | GeorgeS069 | rokfit: what video card do you have? |
| 04:23.38 | rokfit | nvidia 7600gs |
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| 04:24.36 | EvilGlowingApple | hi, is there any way to force make to update a target even if the source files haven't been updated? I'm building an app and there's no make clean option. Just made a change to the makefile and want to rebuild the whole works, but since the source files haven't changed make says everything's up to date and exits |
| 04:24.37 | GeorgeS069 | rokfit: I'm not familiar with the nvidia module but,I'd guess something with nvidia in the name so maybe use lsmod|grep nvidia |
| 04:25.04 | peterS | EvilGlowingApple: the correct option is to add a clean target. every makefile should have one. |
| 04:25.45 | rokfit | GeorgeS069: nothing lists with that command |
| 04:25.53 | stevepastelan | is it possible to mount a directory that's on another computer on the LAN? maybe over SSH or something? |
| 04:25.54 | EvilGlowingApple | peterS: yeah, but it's not my code, and the makefile is pretty poorly written already, so not sure where to start looking for where the object files are placed |
| 04:25.55 | rpc | just a very basic question... if i start playing with tc, how can i quickly clear all the classes and bring things back to default? just in case something went wrong... is there a kind of flush as in iptables? |
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| 04:26.54 | peterS | EvilGlowingApple: the problem is that you probably have some intermediate targets - we don't know how many levels of targets there are (a -> b -> c -> d -> e?) and in fact make has no way of knowing what your "original" source files are, since it also has some builtin rules about how to create even .c files from other things |
| 04:27.00 | GeorgeS069 | rokfit: I'm gonna guess that your video module didn't load then so if you know the name of the module you might be able to do a modprobe <modulename> and load it |
| 04:27.32 | rokfit | i know the package name |
| 04:27.34 | peterS | EvilGlowingApple: so I think all you can do is artificially give it knowledge of what needs to be rebuilt - either 'touch' all the original source files, or remove all the target files |
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| 04:28.01 | tvynr | rpc: Just dug out my old firewall script from archives. The line I used to clear the state of tc was: tc qdisc del dev $ifc root |
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| 04:28.20 | rokfit | GeorgeS069: ? |
| 04:28.20 | tvynr | rpc: $ifc is, of course, the interface name to clear (eth0, etc.) |
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| 04:28.39 | rpc | tvynr thank you :) that was really kind of you.. looks like i'm following your way step by step and looks like i will end up installing shore :) |
| 04:28.39 | GeorgeS069 | rokfit: if you know the name try to load it with the 'modprobe' command |
| 04:28.45 | rpc | just playing a bit |
| 04:28.54 | tvynr | stevepastelan: Look at the Debian sshfs package. |
| 04:28.55 | rpc | ...so i can really say it's useless lol |
| 04:29.06 | EvilGlowingApple | peterS: hmm, ok, was hoping make had a command line option to force an update, but running find and -exec on the source files sounds like it'd do the the trick without too much trouble |
| 04:29.08 | EvilGlowingApple | thanks |
| 04:29.13 | stevepastelan | ty tvynr :) |
| 04:29.42 | rokfit | GeorgeS069: module not found |
| 04:29.45 | tvynr | rpc: Good thing, too. I found writing my own firewall script very educating... and time-consuming. And even after six months of on and off I still had certain things wrong. But I do tend to reinvent the wheel. ;) |
| 04:29.54 | rpc | tvynr and that that would just wipe everything, right? so i can start tc-ing from scratch... btw i also added ebtables and am trying to restrict traffic per mac directly on the bridge :) |
| 04:30.00 | peterS | EvilGlowingApple: if it's really that much trouble to find the generated files, the lack of 'make clean' is a big problem. whoever wrote this code should have known this. |
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| 04:30.08 | tvynr | stevepastelan: np; you might also want to check out smbfs. I use sshfs all the time. :) |
| 04:30.12 | GeorgeS069 | rokfit: you're going to have to install it again then :( |
| 04:30.23 | tvynr | rpc: Yeah; you run that command and it'll clear all of tc's info for the specified interface. |
| 04:30.24 | rokfit | i just tried and it said it's the newest |
| 04:30.29 | rpc | tvynr oh yes, i love to reinvent the whell myself.. not tired still :) |
| 04:30.47 | rpc | thank you again, can't wait to see how much i screwed things up lol |
| 04:30.51 | GeorgeS069 | !tell rokfit about nvidia one liner |
| 04:31.03 | stevepastelan | tvynr: :D sshfs sounds pretty good, since my other box (Mac OS X) is an ssh server |
| 04:31.06 | rokfit | i've heard about this, but don't know how to use it |
| 04:31.19 | GeorgeS069 | rokfit: read what dpkg just told you |
| 04:31.21 | tvynr | rpc: Hey, you never know... sometimes (very rarely, but still) I come up with a wheel that I like better or suits my purposes. Other times, I come up with a wheel that's kind of triangular and not particularly useful. Good luck with traffic shaping. :) |
| 04:31.36 | rokfit | and run that command? |
| 04:31.36 | rpc | lmao, nice :) |
| 04:31.40 | peterS | not with wheel shaping? |
| 04:31.42 | EvilGlowingApple | peterS: well, the author distributes binaries in beta early and charges for early access (and then gives them out free about a month later)...but of course source is free right away, so I'm sure he/she isn't too concerned about how easy it is to build...and I'm too impatient to wait for an update when it's only a compile away |
| 04:31.52 | rpc | and my last wheel appeared to be a cube |
| 04:31.53 | tvynr | stevepastelan: Yep. Best bit is that sshfs is written over FUSE, so you can mount and unmount the fs as a user (as long as you're in the "fuse" user group). |
| 04:31.54 | GeorgeS069 | rokfit: it's several commands actually |
| 04:32.00 | rpc | so absolutely useless :) |
| 04:32.06 | rokfit | no i don't want to compile a source driver |
| 04:32.33 | rokfit | how can i just revert back to the old nvidia kernel? |
| 04:32.40 | rokfit | that i was using? |
| 04:32.42 | rpc | it was funny how hard was i working on that wheel and i just realised i ended up with a shiny, useless cube... |
| 04:32.55 | rpc | and what i mean is my nic problem :) |
| 04:32.58 | GeorgeS069 | rokfit: I don't know any other way...I'm sure there are others but,like I said I don't have any experience with those cards and debian |
| 04:33.05 | peterS | EvilGlowingApple: how to find intermediate files: 'touch foo' then compile normally then 'find . -type f -newer foo'. the idea is to do this in order to figure out how to write a decent 'clean' target |
| 04:33.16 | rokfit | does anyone else know? |
| 04:33.47 | tvynr | rokfit: Sorry, I'm coming in a bit late. Are you using the official nVidia installer, module-assistant, or what? |
| 04:34.22 | stevepastelan | :) |
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| 04:34.52 | rokfit | no screens found is my error |
| 04:35.06 | rokfit | tvynr: i had everything working |
| 04:35.09 | tvynr | rokfit: Is the nVidia kernel module installed? (lsmod | grep nvidia) |
| 04:35.19 | rokfit | 18-3 kernel with 18-3 nvidia kernel |
| 04:35.35 | tvynr | rokfit: Also, if you're using Debian packages, is the package nvidia-glx installed? |
| 04:35.39 | rokfit | nothing is listed with that command |
| 04:35.51 | rokfit | yes it is |
| 04:35.54 | tvynr | Then that means the nVidia kernel module is on your hard drive but not loaded. |
| 04:35.57 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 04:35.58 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 04:36.02 | tvynr | rokfit: Load the kernel module with "modprobe nvidia" |
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| 04:37.15 | sudo_maddash | lol "NOT A SODDING ERROR" |
| 04:37.16 | rokfit | one moment |
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| 04:37.20 | tvynr | k |
| 04:37.22 | EvilGlowingApple | peterS: ok, will give that a try and then submit a patch to the author. Hopefully he/she'll keep it up to date for future versions then |
| 04:38.05 | rokfit | then what tvynr |
| 04:38.25 | tvynr | rokfit: No error message was produced, right? Check dmesg to see that the nvidia module was loaded. Then try to start X again. |
| 04:39.16 | rokfit | it was the frame buffer error |
| 04:39.37 | tvynr | Sorry, what framebuffer error? |
| 04:39.47 | rokfit | the thing dpkg said |
| 04:39.56 | Guerin | the id10-T error |
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| 04:40.10 | tvynr | rokfit: I'm afraid I came in a bit late, remember; I don't know which error this is. |
| 04:40.58 | rokfit | saying no to frambuffer in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:41.32 | tvynr | I assume you've run the reconfigure and said no to the question by now. ;) |
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| 04:41.40 | r00t__ | hi |
| 04:41.50 | r00t__ | php4 doesn't work with many of my apps |
| 04:41.52 | tvynr | rokfit: So what do you get from: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep '(EE)' |
| 04:41.55 | r00t__ | so I'm going back to php3 |
| 04:41.59 | r00t__ | however I did that |
| 04:42.01 | rokfit | one moment |
| 04:42.01 | r00t__ | and now I get |
| 04:42.08 | r00t__ | "do you want to download this file" |
| 04:42.14 | r00t__ | rather then the php script executing |
| 04:42.22 | rokfit | gotta run tvynr thanks for help! |
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| 04:42.33 | tvynr | hmm |
| 04:42.35 | tvynr | hope I was useful |
| 04:42.42 | GeorgeS069 | hehehe...guess it's fixed |
| 04:43.00 | r00t__ | I have this" |
| 04:43.01 | r00t__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.02 | r00t__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.05 | r00t__ | why doesn't it work |
| 04:43.17 | r00t__ | why doesn't apache execute php? |
| 04:43.25 | Guerin | r00t__: because you did it wrong |
| 04:43.46 | r00t__ | oh |
| 04:43.52 | Guerin | r00t__: probably because the module isn't loaded, or because those directives are in the wrong section |
| 04:43.53 | r00t__ | what do I need to do? |
| 04:44.00 | Guerin | !htfswk Ronin |
| 04:44.01 | dpkg | Ronin: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:44.02 | r00t__ | it's where they've always been |
| 04:44.05 | Guerin | *sight* |
| 04:44.12 | Guerin | r00t__: that one was for you |
| 04:44.14 | r00t__ | this worked for php4 |
| 04:44.26 | r00t__ | so why doesn't it work for php3? |
| 04:45.15 | GeorgeS069 | r00t__: you might want to ask about that in #apache |
| 04:45.37 | r00t__ | I am |
| 04:46.35 | stevepastelan | friends |
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| 04:46.45 | stevepastelan | is there a binary deb for the new wine? (0.9.30+) |
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| 04:47.41 | Guerin | stevepastelan: /msg dpkg search |
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| 04:49.37 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 04:49.40 | stevepastelan | erm |
| 04:49.51 | stevepastelan | I have wine in my apt-cache |
| 04:49.55 | stevepastelan | but it's 2 years old |
| 04:50.08 | lkthomas | if I use tar to backup the whole root system, how could I restore it into a new HDD with proper config of grub ? |
| 04:50.09 | Guerin | are you running sarge? |
| 04:50.12 | keram | hello i'm getting these errors when i try to do `apt-get update` http://rafb.net/p/ddvZpX32.html |
| 04:50.13 | stevepastelan | I was wondering if someone compiled a new one :) so I don't have to do it from source |
| 04:50.15 | stevepastelan | is there anything else? |
| 04:50.17 | Guerin | lkthomas: man tar |
| 04:50.32 | lkthomas | Guerin, I could extract the tar, so what ? |
| 04:50.38 | stevepastelan | Guerin: yeah, sarge |
| 04:50.42 | Guerin | lkthomas: you need to use -p when tarring it up, and you should exclude /dev /sys and /proc |
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| 04:51.05 | Guerin | stevepastelan: sarge is 2 years old, if you want newer use etch |
| 04:51.07 | lkthomas | Guerin, I know, does grub work as well ? |
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| 04:51.36 | Guerin | lkthomas: you need to install and configure grub after restoring since the MBR isn't a file. |
| 04:51.58 | lkthomas | Guerin, how should I do ? should I chroot into it and run grub installer ? |
| 04:52.25 | stevepastelan | Guerin: I just need one program to be new.. |
| 04:52.33 | stevepastelan | Guerin: I'm pretty happy with everything else |
| 04:52.48 | stevepastelan | and plus, isn't etch unstable? |
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| 04:53.02 | stevepastelan | I don't even see the link on the debian site |
| 04:53.34 | Guerin | stevepastelan: /msg dpkg backports |
| 04:53.51 | Guerin | lkthomas: yeah, that's one way |
| 04:54.11 | lkthomas | Guerin, hmm, ok, that's remind me grub could install by floppy |
| 04:54.18 | Guerin | yep |
| 04:55.14 | lkthomas | Guerin, don't you think DD would be better than tar then ?! |
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| 04:55.15 | Guerin | not unless your drives are identical |
| 04:55.15 | Guerin | and it's probably much slower |
| 04:55.16 | FarrisG | Anyone using nextbbs on etch know how to get gd/verification image to work? |
| 04:55.16 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 04:55.24 | Guerin | !anyone use nextbbs on etch? |
| 04:55.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses nextbbs on etch, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:56.21 | FarrisG | God I always feel like I'm fucking playing jeopardy in here :) |
| 04:56.24 | stevepastelan | Guerin: why thank you :)) I'm going to try this rought now! |
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| 04:56.38 | Guerin | hurrah for backports! |
| 04:56.43 | Guerin | FarrisG: heh |
| 04:56.58 | Guerin | FarrisG: i've never even heard of what you're trying to do, so good luck |
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| 04:58.10 | FarrisG | The answer is: Even though FarrisG installed php5-gd, this is the reason the verification code image generated by NextBBS's registration page bears no code at all! |
| 04:58.49 | Guerin | heh |
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| 05:14.25 | bizz | how can i access folders on a windows partition? |
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| 05:15.04 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: just mount them |
| 05:15.46 | bizz | ahhhh! |
| 05:16.07 | bizz | could you help me do that? |
| 05:16.30 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: you know...just mount the partition mount /dev/hda2 /where/you/want/it/mounted |
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| 05:16.54 | GeorgeS069 | man mount is a good read also |
| 05:17.10 | r00t__ | is there a way to get php5 without apache2 |
| 05:17.15 | r00t__ | I don't want to use apache 2 |
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| 05:17.19 | bizz | george thanks for the patience , linux n00b here , but I hate MS : ( |
| 05:17.38 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: not a problem |
| 05:18.12 | GeorgeS069 | I hate em all but,can't play mp3's on my toaster so I use linux :) |
| 05:18.39 | r00t__ | is there a way to have php5 without apache2? |
| 05:19.47 | GeorgeS069 | r00t__: could you perhaps use a php5 from backports.org that doesn't depend on apache2? |
| 05:20.21 | bizz | GeorgeS69 : how can i search to see what my windows partition is named? |
| 05:20.50 | Guerin | bizz: fdisk |
| 05:20.50 | r00t__ | GeorgeS069: I tried |
| 05:20.57 | r00t__ | GeorgeS069: it depends on apache2 |
| 05:21.20 | r00t__ | deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main |
| 05:21.30 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: be careful here but,you can use the fdisk command to list the partitions....like fdisk /dev/hda or perhaps /dev/sda depending on your system |
| 05:21.51 | GeorgeS069 | r00t__: sorry man...was just a guess:( |
| 05:21.56 | r00t__ | GeorgeS069: is there a way to get non apache2 debs for php5 |
| 05:23.19 | Wyzard | r00t__: libapache-mod-php5 |
| 05:23.21 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: once you have fdisk loaded use p to list the partitions and q to quit |
| 05:23.29 | Wyzard | r00t__: as opposed to libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 05:24.29 | r00t__ | ok |
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| 05:25.12 | bizz | okay, so it looks like the win partition is hda1 |
| 05:25.42 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: ok so mount /dev/hda1 /my/windows/mnt/point |
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| 05:26.30 | wireddd | so why exactly isn't beryl in sid yet? |
| 05:26.43 | GeorgeS069 | beryl is a myth :P |
| 05:26.55 | r00t__ | Wyzard: that seems to be installing correctly, thankyou :) |
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| 05:27.12 | wireddd | GeorgeS069: I have myth, and I am not to happy with it |
| 05:27.40 | Guerin | wireddd: because you haven't packaged it |
| 05:28.02 | bizz | do i just type mount /dev/hda1 /my/windows/mnt/point? |
| 05:28.04 | GeorgeS069 | wireddd: you mean mythTV ? |
| 05:28.18 | wireddd | GeorgeS069: yeah |
| 05:28.21 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: No...you need to make a place to mount it |
| 05:28.30 | damog | wireddd: not enough interest by maintainers? |
| 05:28.38 | wireddd | I guess |
| 05:29.18 | GeorgeS069 | wireddd: I almost built a mythTV system but,then I found a really good deal on 2 older DirectTV tivo units and I fscked with them |
| 05:29.24 | wireddd | or I guess it could be the fact that it doesn't seem to play well with debian, or at least my hardware |
| 05:29.45 | bizz | georges069 how do i do that? |
| 05:30.17 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: use the mkdir command man mkdir for usage |
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| 05:31.17 | wireddd | I have a series 1 tivo too, but I was hoping that myth would be really cool, and work really well, but in the end, my old tivo works much better |
| 05:31.29 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: an example would be mkdir /mnt/windoze and then mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windoze |
| 05:32.14 | GeorgeS069 | wireddd: yeah...I love my tivos.....no idea if they are gonna be screwed when the new DST kicks in though:( |
| 05:32.15 | wireddd | you need to specify the file system type |
| 05:32.52 | wireddd | GeorgeS069: I hadn't thought about that, can you login to yours? |
| 05:33.03 | GeorgeS069 | wireddd: actually on my etch system I only needed to specify using -t for my smb mounts...the vfat and ntfs stuff "just worked" |
| 05:33.25 | GeorgeS069 | wireddd: yes...they have telnet and I have the serial cable for them |
| 05:33.26 | wireddd | GeorgeS069: hmm I wonder when that started working |
| 05:33.30 | damog | i usually have to specify it when mounting my ipod |
| 05:33.51 | wireddd | GeorgeS069: you should get the network adapter |
| 05:34.13 | GeorgeS069 | wireddd: I have them...they run to a wireless AP/hub :) |
| 05:34.27 | GeorgeS069 | 100baseT MRV |
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| 05:35.33 | wireddd | does yours have usb? |
| 05:35.33 | bizz | george : ok i did that, now where can i fid the dir? |
| 05:35.46 | GeorgeS069 | I keep alot of video on the servers in the basement and pull them up to the tivos through the wireless AP |
| 05:35.47 | wireddd | bizz it is the mount point |
| 05:36.02 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: cd /mnt/windoze |
| 05:36.45 | wireddd | bizz: congrats on getting linux installed |
| 05:37.03 | bizz | thank you |
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| 05:37.49 | r00t__ | I installed php5 |
| 05:37.53 | r00t__ | it doesn't execute |
| 05:37.55 | r00t__ | https://69.113.27.92/bb/index.php |
| 05:37.58 | r00t__ | help please |
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| 05:38.10 | bizz | george, it says dir does not exist |
| 05:38.11 | PietroGiovanni | hello all |
| 05:38.12 | GeorgeS069 | r00t__: did you clear your browser's cache? |
| 05:38.36 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: type mount all by itself and see if it's listed |
| 05:38.43 | wireddd | r00t__: it seems to work fine |
| 05:38.44 | PietroGiovanni | im tired of trying to get beryl to work in debian... is there another good 3d desktop thingie around? |
| 05:38.51 | r00t__ | GeorgeS069: no |
| 05:39.11 | wireddd | r00t__: clear your cache |
| 05:39.23 | lavluda | a basic question aobut irc |
| 05:39.25 | GeorgeS069 | that broswer cache thing messed me up for hours with php |
| 05:39.31 | lavluda | how to register my nick ? |
| 05:39.33 | distatica | Hello. I am trying to start a bot at system boot my init.d script is pasted here ( http://pastebin.ca/387233 ). However this does not work because it stops the boot process, and doesn't allow me to ssh in after this has taken place, should I be threading this or is there something i'm missing? Also, does running 'shutdown -r now' send the text 'stop' as the first argument to an init.d script? |
| 05:39.41 | r00t__ | wireddd: yep that worked |
| 05:39.49 | GeorgeS069 | lavluda: /msg nickserv help register |
| 05:39.59 | r00t__ | GeorgeS069: thanks :) |
| 05:40.05 | wireddd | lavluda: /msg nickserv register makeupapassword |
| 05:40.12 | GeorgeS069 | r00t__: glad I could help |
| 05:40.20 | stevepastelan | hello |
| 05:40.22 | PietroGiovanni | any 3d desktop that runs well in debian? |
| 05:40.28 | bizz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.29 | stevepastelan | is it possible to get FUSE on sarge/ |
| 05:40.42 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: you did it! |
| 05:40.44 | wireddd | PietroGiovanni: sarge or etch? |
| 05:40.58 | PietroGiovanni | etch |
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| 05:41.09 | PietroGiovanni | actually my problem is xgl |
| 05:41.12 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: now just type cd /mnt/windoze and then ls |
| 05:41.13 | wireddd | ati or nvidia? |
| 05:41.16 | PietroGiovanni | nvidia |
| 05:41.19 | PietroGiovanni | mx440 |
| 05:41.30 | PietroGiovanni | my comp aint that powerfull |
| 05:41.35 | PietroGiovanni | but still runs winning eleven |
| 05:41.43 | PietroGiovanni | :P |
| 05:42.02 | bizz | is there a folder for it somewhere in kde? |
| 05:42.33 | wireddd | PietroGiovanni: I have one of those cards around here somewhere, I would try beryl first |
| 05:42.52 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd: i cant get beryl to work cause i cant install xgl |
| 05:43.04 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: been a long time since I used KDE....find a "file browser" of some sort and then start looking |
| 05:43.14 | stevepastelan | hello |
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| 05:43.20 | wireddd | PietroGiovanni: you need to install the nvidia drivers |
| 05:43.23 | bizz | i found it |
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| 05:43.29 | stevepastelan | how do I change the input language/keyboard layout in X? |
| 05:43.33 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: you da man! :) |
| 05:43.36 | stevepastelan | is there a package for it? |
| 05:43.51 | bizz | but it says it cant open it |
| 05:43.59 | ZeeO | hey guys one thing whats the best way to install KDE or Gnome over ssh remote server and i need VNC trying to use some tools that are only GUI |
| 05:44.14 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd: my problem is with this line in the config: command=/usr/X11R6/bin/Xgl |
| 05:44.26 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd: xgl doesnt exist in that directory |
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| 05:44.33 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: you probably don't have permission just yet...you'll need to use the chown command on /mnt/windoze |
| 05:44.36 | wireddd | PietroGiovanni: did you install it from a repository? |
| 05:44.43 | bizz | ? |
| 05:44.50 | stevepastelan | zeeo: I just finished doing all that |
| 05:45.01 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd: beryl from repo? yes | xgl from anywhere? no |
| 05:45.02 | stevepastelan | zeeo: I just did apt-get install vncserver fluxbox |
| 05:45.06 | stevepastelan | and that covered all my bases |
| 05:45.07 | ZeeO | can you give me some tips |
| 05:45.15 | wireddd | PietroGiovanni: which one? |
| 05:45.16 | ZeeO | cool |
| 05:45.26 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: like chown <username> /mnt/windoze |
| 05:45.34 | stevepastelan | then I did vncserver -geometry 1280x800 |
| 05:45.41 | stevepastelan | with a & |
| 05:45.45 | stevepastelan | so it runs in background |
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| 05:46.01 | stevepastelan | it'll tell you what display it's running on (probably :1) |
| 05:46.06 | stevepastelan | then do export DISPLAY=:1 |
| 05:46.13 | stevepastelan | so X apps know where to display themselves |
| 05:46.20 | wireddd | PietroGiovanni: this one? "deb http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main" |
| 05:46.25 | stevepastelan | and then just run your apps |
| 05:46.30 | bizz | is it supposed to say this? chown: changing ownership of `/mnt/windoze': Read-only file system |
| 05:46.32 | stevepastelan | eg: xeyes & |
| 05:46.35 | stevepastelan | wine <blah blah> & |
| 05:46.38 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd: yeah |
| 05:46.42 | stevepastelan | and they will appear in the vnc desktop :)) |
| 05:46.44 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: yes |
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| 05:46.54 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: try to browse it now |
| 05:47.07 | stevepastelan | when you connect, use port 590x, where x is the number of the display (eg 5901) |
| 05:47.16 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: it will be read only because it's a NTFS file system |
| 05:47.43 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd: id love to find a guide to test the elements to see if i did everything right... i used wiki to edit the config files |
| 05:47.48 | wireddd | PietroGiovanni: you should have stopped on the how-to where it said beryl with XGL |
| 05:48.07 | bizz | I still can't browse it |
| 05:48.45 | agike | Hi, Etch installs have twice ended with "RAMDISK: incomplete write (-28 ! = 32768) 8388608" .. but "$egrep 'INITRD|RAM_SIZE'.config" to bump up Etch's default of 1049 to 16384 just hangs. My net install also tells me "make: *** No rule to make target `menuconfig'." Any ideas for increasing RAMdisk size ? |
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| 05:48.57 | wireddd | PietroGiovanni: so what happens when you open a terminal and type beryl-manager |
| 05:49.05 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: hmmmm....that sux...perhaps you also need to chown <user> /mnt |
| 05:49.16 | stevepastelan | ZeeO: tell me if you run into problems:) |
| 05:49.21 | wireddd | PietroGiovanni: put the output into a pastebin |
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| 05:52.31 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: by the way...if you'll need to mount that partition often you'd be best to read man fstab and make it permanent |
| 05:52.44 | distatica | My server has a monitor attached to it, but no keyboard, I use ssh to connect, because of this there is no login when the server is booted and it sits at a login prompt. Is it possible though to echo text to that monitor even though there is no login, if so what device would i echo to? |
| 05:52.46 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd, its here http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/1425 |
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| 05:53.11 | stevepastelan | friends |
| 05:53.23 | stevepastelan | if I change my sources to testing |
| 05:53.31 | stevepastelan | install wine (and dependencies) |
| 05:53.34 | stevepastelan | and then change the sources back |
| 05:53.40 | stevepastelan | will I break anything? |
| 05:54.01 | GeorgeS069 | !tell stevepastelan about backports |
| 05:54.10 | damog | stevepastelan: well, can't be told |
| 05:54.13 | stevepastelan | ah, George I just looked at backponts |
| 05:54.22 | stevepastelan | ports* |
| 05:54.22 | stevepastelan | wine is pretty old there |
| 05:54.32 | GeorgeS069 | was worth a shot |
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| 05:55.26 | wireddd | PietroGiovanni: do you have the nvidia drivers installed? |
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| 05:56.54 | bizz | what do you mean by chown <user> /mnt , is that diferent than what i did the first time? |
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| 05:57.40 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: the first time you only changed the permissions for that windoze/ dir |
| 05:57.41 | stevepastelan | yeah backports is definitely cool |
| 05:58.04 | bizz | so what do i type now? |
| 05:58.21 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: chown <user> /mnt |
| 05:58.52 | GeorgeS069 | somone speak up if I'm giving him any bad info please |
| 05:58.54 | distatica | could someone atleast give me a point as to what I should be googling for? 'echo text to monitor' isn't going to return a whole lot.. |
| 05:59.18 | bizz | I STILL can't browse it arrrggghhhhh |
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| 05:59.59 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd, im back |
| 06:00.23 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: do a ls -l / and see who owns mnt |
| 06:00.33 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd: it ran, then i tried to switch to beryl as window manager, then it kind of exploded |
| 06:00.50 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd, then tried to run it again and restarts X server |
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| 06:01.15 | bizz | it says root |
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| 06:01.32 | GeorgeS069 | beryl was invented to give noobs something to do after they got thier wireless card working:) |
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| 06:01.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:01.52 | Guerin | so true |
| 06:01.57 | Guerin | `oooo - shiny' |
| 06:01.59 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd, first time, when manager ran and i tried to switch window manager, the answer was some kind of conflict of "another window manager running, im going to screw things up" |
| 06:02.03 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: try again then chown <user> /mnt |
| 06:02.05 | psyche | anyone know how to compile php ssh2 functions? |
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| 06:02.32 | kelsin | stevepastelan: there is a debian faq about that |
| 06:03.01 | PietroGiovanni | wireddd, did you see the pastebin? |
| 06:03.11 | kelsin | stevepastelan: on the main debian faq page there is a "how to run a mixed system" you basically can add all of the sources, but say stable or testing has priority and it will only pull the new pages that depend on each other, but otherwise sit on the proper dist |
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| 06:03.21 | stevepastelan | oh |
| 06:03.26 | stevepastelan | let me go read that :)) |
| 06:03.39 | stevepastelan | but, in general, do you recommend that? |
| 06:04.01 | kelsin | stevepastelan: I've been running testing with a few packages from unstable and experimental and it's working fine for me, I just can see the newer verions in aptitude and install if I want. I mean I "recommend" it but I'm not someone to talk to, I defeinitely say try that instead of switching then switchin back |
| 06:04.27 | stevepastelan | alright, cool |
| 06:04.43 | kelsin | stevepastelan: since it's how the faq says to do it :) |
| 06:04.44 | stevepastelan | I think you're right |
| 06:04.52 | stevepastelan | that's also true :D |
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| 06:05.04 | Guerin | kelsin: yeah, the only reason it's working is because etch is about to rel;ease, which means etch and sid are very similar |
| 06:05.14 | bizz | stil cant browse it |
| 06:05.17 | Guerin | kelsin: it'll break horribly after etch releases if you aren't careful |
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| 06:05.38 | kelsin | Guerin: yes, but still a better way to do it then switch you sources.list then switch back |
| 06:05.41 | GeorgeS069 | bizz: did it change the owner of /mnt ? |
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| 06:05.46 | bhundven | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.50 | kelsin | Guerin: and I only have wine I think right now newer then testing |
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| 06:06.19 | bizz | ls- /l |
| 06:06.23 | bizz | like that? |
| 06:06.24 | Guerin | kelsin: just realise it's a happy coincidence, and don't recommend it |
| 06:06.30 | GeorgeS069 | ls -l / |
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| 06:07.48 | eshaase | i'm trying to get the bmpx music player to work but whenever i try to add a folder i get the following: No HAL Volume/Device Infromation for this File... anyone have any idea how to fix this? |
| 06:07.55 | kelsin | bhundven: remove the -print |
| 06:08.01 | DocPlatypus | bhundven: personally I would do something more like: find . -type f | xargs file | egrep '(Ogg.*Vorbis|MP3|MPEG.*layer III)' |
| 06:08.45 | DocPlatypus | or if you really prefer to look at just the filename: find . -type f | egrep '(mp3|ogg)$' |
| 06:08.54 | DocPlatypus | the former looks at what is actually *in* the file. |
| 06:09.08 | kelsin | bhundven: or ad -o before the -print as well |
| 06:09.43 | GeorgeS069 | damn..I lost bizz...hope he fixed it |
| 06:10.50 | DocPlatypus | crap. how do I remove just the RIFF header from this idiot's "MP3 WAV" file? |
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| 06:11.29 | DocPlatypus | file tells me it's a "RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, MPEG Layer 3, mono 11025 Hz" |
| 06:11.36 | DocPlatypus | mpg123 will play it |
| 06:11.55 | GeorgeS069 | shouldn't the installer add any windoze partitions to fstab??all these cli commands are too much for typical windows users that just wanna access thier stuff |
| 06:12.24 | DocPlatypus | GeorgeS069: I think for simplicity this isn't done |
| 06:12.40 | DocPlatypus | or, it does it for FAT partitions, but not for whatever the new thing is |
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| 06:13.07 | GeorgeS069 | ntfs....understandable since it's read only unless you install ntfs-3g |
| 06:13.59 | GeorgeS069 | still...they just don't "get it"...they never used DOS like us old guys :) |
| 06:14.05 | DocPlatypus | read only blows the doors off of can't read it at all |
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| 06:15.00 | GeorgeS069 | DocPlatypus: I agree...and I was not about to have him install ntfs-3g and screw up his windows partition:) |
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| 06:32.05 | r0000t | Unpacking libapache-mod-php4 (from .../libapache-mod-php4_4%3a4.3.10-19_i386.deb) ... |
| 06:32.35 | GeorgeS069 | r0000t: didn't you want php5? |
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| 06:34.38 | r0000t | GeorgeS069: yes, but it didn't work with my things |
| 06:34.45 | r0000t | but this php... doesn't work with sockets |
| 06:34.53 | GeorgeS069 | :( |
| 06:34.54 | r0000t | is there a php4 that doesn't have the socket bug? |
| 06:35.04 | r0000t | 4.4+ shouldn |
| 06:35.08 | GeorgeS069 | I have no idea |
| 06:35.08 | r0000t | but this is |
| 06:35.12 | r0000t | 4.3.10 :/ |
| 06:35.20 | r0000t | I need a 4.4.x for debstable |
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| 06:35.23 | r0000t | does it exist? |
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| 06:35.56 | GeorgeS069 | I don't even know what version of php I have on my web servers:) |
| 06:36.29 | GeorgeS069 | did you look for it on backports.org? |
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| 06:39.22 | Vasistha | hi all. I'm looking for a utility of some sort, something which combines "fdisk -l" with "df" -- to tell me, for a particular device, like /dev/hda, what ALL the partitions are and their types, and size of partition, as well as mount point (if it exists) and usage. Any recommendations? |
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| 06:43.56 | maxamillion | Vasistha: yeah ... lemme get you a link |
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| 06:44.11 | maxamillion | Vasistha: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:44.33 | Vasistha | maxamillion: parted ... hum, that's not quite what I'm looking for. hmm. |
| 06:44.41 | GeorgeS069 | Vasistha: would Gnomes System Monitor work? |
| 06:44.45 | Vasistha | although maybe it displays what I want |
| 06:44.47 | maxamillion | Vasistha: its in the repositories but i forget the actual name of the package its either under gparted of gnome-partition-manager (or something similar) |
| 06:45.01 | maxamillion | or* |
| 06:45.44 | Vasistha | how funny, I didn't have parted installed on this system! Maybe it's because I've been using cfdisk. |
| 06:47.53 | maxamillion | yeah ... i like cfdisk, its a good utility but for a gui partition manager, i haven't found one i like better than gparted |
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| 06:49.06 | sts | hello folks |
| 06:49.09 | spacefrog | what FTP server would you guys recommend? |
| 06:49.14 | spacefrog | ProFTP? Pureftp? |
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| 06:49.39 | sts | is there a way to install a customized version of debian from cd to autoinstall a server? |
| 06:50.08 | markybob | spacefrog, vsftpd. runs everything from debian.org to kernel.org |
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| 06:50.32 | markybob | !fai |
| 06:50.32 | dpkg | fai is probably Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 06:51.59 | Vasistha | maxamillion: see... I'm not looking for a partition manager. parted doesn't list mount points, or Usage. |
| 06:52.09 | Vasistha | maxamillion: thanks anyway, though, for the suggestion :-) |
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| 06:52.21 | maxamillion | Vasistha: ohhhh, i mis-understood ... sorry :/ |
| 06:52.29 | maxamillion | vinboy: yeah, i don't know of a tool for that |
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| 06:57.51 | GeorgeS069 | Vasistha: did you look at Gnome's System Monitor or is that not an option? |
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| 06:59.03 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: well, I haven't, but I'll take a look. I'm looking at KDiskFree right now, but it's got all these devices which are not on /dev/hda, and it doesn't have sizes for the unmounted volumes ... and I'm really looking for a CLI tool, anyway. but I'll check out gnome's system monitor |
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| 06:59.48 | Vasistha | ...and it doesn't list the swap partition, or the partitions that don't have mount points :P |
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| 07:00.47 | r0000t | moslem terror, it's a very bad thing |
| 07:00.50 | r0000t | moslem terror, it's a very bad thing |
| 07:00.59 | r0000t | moslem terror, when will it end? |
| 07:00.59 | maxamillion | ? |
| 07:01.00 | r0000t | moslem terror, when will it end? |
| 07:01.10 | r0000t | moslem terror, it will end when every muslim is dead! |
| 07:01.25 | r0000t | USA has many nuclear weapons |
| 07:01.30 | GeorgeS069 | !ops r0000t is getting anoying |
| 07:01.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: georges069 complains about: r0000t is getting anoying |
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| 07:01.38 | r0000t | 1/4 of the people I know whats to murder all muslims. |
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| 07:01.52 | peterS | that's nice, r0000t |
| 07:02.14 | GeorgeS069 | thank you peterS |
| 07:02.48 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: is this what you're referring to? http://llanero.eresmas.net/screenshots/procman.png |
| 07:02.57 | GeorgeS069 | lol...now he's /msg'ing me |
| 07:03.16 | lunitik | GeorgeS069: no one cares.... /ignore him |
| 07:03.42 | GeorgeS069 | Vasistha: yes |
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| 07:05.22 | maxamillion | Vasistha: i know this isn't what the tool is meant for, but it might give you a listing of what you want ... http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
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| 07:06.01 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: yeah ... kdiskfree is pretty similar ... it doesn't give any info for non-mounted partition, and it's also got a bunch of stuff listed that's not /dev/hda, and it's not sorted in disk partition order |
| 07:07.44 | Vasistha | heh, well ... thanks for all the recommendations ... I'm thinking maybe I'll just write a little bash script to combine fdisk and df :-) |
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| 07:08.09 | Vasistha | ...and ... cat /proc/swaps ... see, ergh, it's kinda messy, all the things that need to be brought together. |
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| 07:10.12 | maxamillion | Vasistha: or write it in python and give it a UI with pyGTK, make a project on sf.net, open source it and then we can all reep the benefits |
| 07:10.48 | Vasistha | maxamillion: I'm not much of a fan of gui tools for things like that, and besides, a bash script can be open source too ;-) |
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| 07:11.34 | maxamillion | Vasistha: yeah i know ... but python is more fun :) |
| 07:12.50 | maxamillion | gotta run |
| 07:12.51 | Vasistha | maxamillion: well, using python doesn't require me to make it gui ... and a friend of mine did highly recommend it as a fun-to-learn language. Maybe I'll make this a first python project. How good is python at making system calls, e.g. df, read /proc/mounts and /proc/swaps and fdisk -l ?? |
| 07:13.28 | maxamillion | Vasistha: python lets you do it all really easily with the "os" module |
| 07:13.41 | maxamillion | .... with the running .... laters |
| 07:13.46 | Vasistha | maxamillion: hum. Well, thanks for the tip. later |
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| 07:22.09 | marc7 | when I'm using checkinstall -D to try and install zaptel (an asterisk-related package), I get this error before it bails out... "trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.19.2-grsec-gen5-forkL-rev5/modules.dep', which is also in package kernel-image-2.6.19.2" |
| 07:24.32 | marc7 | anyway I can force that to be overwritten? |
| 07:25.08 | Vasistha | well, if you're sure, then maybe you should just remove it, or rename it, manually? |
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| 07:25.58 | billy | greetings fellow earth_creatures. |
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| 07:26.46 | billy | Saw XandrOS in the store today. Is XandrOS pretty much the same as Debian? |
| 07:26.53 | craigevil | no |
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| 07:27.28 | Vasistha | !based on debian |
| 07:27.28 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 07:28.25 | DocPlatypus | it's about the same as using SuSE packages with deadrat |
| 07:28.41 | billy | Vasistha: wasn't really looking for "help", just a little info, perhaps an opinion or two. Just curious really. But thanks for the bot response. always a thrill. |
| 07:28.42 | DocPlatypus | sometimes you can get away with it, but that is exactly what is happening, you're getting away with something that might blow up on you when you least expect it |
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| 07:29.01 | DocPlatypus | of course, deadrat will blow up on you anyway |
| 07:29.06 | Vasistha | billy: oh yeah, you're welcome. But I mean ... yeah, that's the basic response here to "xandros" :-) |
| 07:29.56 | billy | Vasistha : I myself use Ubuntu. XandrOS seemed like a good starter for a friend of mine. Just curious. |
| 07:30.51 | Vasistha | billy: yeah ... I dunno. I got started with mepis, but that was in the days of woody. The debian installers now are much smoother and easier. What drove me crazy about mepis is that it was "unstable", and so constantly required updates and attention. |
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| 07:32.42 | Vasistha | billy: and sometimes the updates were really a pain, if for example I modified a configuration file, then in the middle of the update process, I get this text question saying the package maintainer's version is different ... and I would have to go through and painstakingly compare things and update one or the other |
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| 07:33.33 | Vasistha | billy: I mean, I still get that every once in a while, but the debian stable package *version* upgrades are so infrequent, that it hardly ever happens. I had a few upgrading to etch, and I only upgraded because etch is frozen ;-) |
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| 07:34.08 | billy | Vasistha : I see what you're getting at. I use Ubuntu. I would rather use Debian, but I have such a time getting things going. |
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| 07:34.48 | billy | Vasistha : I can't install Sarge because I have a SATA hard drive. Most of the weekly builds I've tried have bugs and stuff. |
| 07:34.59 | DocPlatypus | oy |
| 07:34.59 | Vasistha | billy: yeah, it took me a year or so of using mepis to become familiar enough with things that I felt comfortable moving to debian. It was a big step, but the step is getting smaller as they make debian easier to use. |
| 07:35.06 | DocPlatypus | Sarge has no SATA support at all? |
| 07:35.26 | Vasistha | billy: well ... etch is frozen now ;-) it's a great time to go for it! |
| 07:35.29 | billy | DocPlatypus : I invariably get "no hard drive found" error on install. |
| 07:35.58 | sep | DocPlatypus, sarge have no sata support for chipsets made after kernel 2.6.8 was released. |
| 07:36.04 | marc7 | Vasistha, the suggestion to remove or rename it didn't work. the checkinstall -D basically does a depmod on the fly and overwrites it, but then gets cold feet at the last second |
| 07:36.07 | Vasistha | yeah ... a knowledgable, experienced person can maybe solve the problem ... but when you're not knowledgable and experienced... it's like, why struggle with this thing? |
| 07:36.15 | sep | billy, you are installing with the 2.6 kernel right ? using the install26 argument |
| 07:36.19 | Vasistha | marc7: oh, now that's weird! |
| 07:36.34 | sep | Vasistha, why struggle when you can read the install guide ? |
| 07:36.40 | billy | sep : yes. the 2.6 kernel. never tried the install26 argument though. |
| 07:37.02 | DocPlatypus | so SATA support is always chipset specific? |
| 07:37.12 | DocPlatypus | so much for the good old days where you bought an IDE board and it worked |
| 07:37.38 | kelsin | I have to say that I recently switched to debian from ubuntu (testing) and it was a breeze (I came from slackware and gentoo before ubuntu) |
| 07:37.38 | Vasistha | sep: reading the install guide is part of the struggle! If you *really* don't know what you're doing, the install guide is overwhelming, and does not help all that much to guide a person who is having a specific problem and who doesn't have any idea where to begin looking for the solution |
| 07:37.49 | sep | billy the perhaps easiest thing is to use the backported sarge install cd |
| 07:37.54 | sep | !sarge 2.6.19 |
| 07:38.13 | sep | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 07:38.13 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.20 is probably http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 07:39.55 | billy | sep : thanks. i've tried kmuto's before. i'm really new to linux. i was able to get a desktop environment running after being put straight to the command line, but I don't have the skills to fix HAL. |
| 07:40.05 | sep | Vasistha, yes... but if a person realy dont know what he's doing. perhaps he should hire a mechanic/plumber/carpenter/geek |
| 07:40.28 | Vasistha | sep: ...or ... try using, e.g., ubuntu, or xandros, which gives a person a jump start. |
| 07:41.10 | billy | sep : how much do you charge per hour? :) |
| 07:41.16 | sep | billy, well you can allways do the chroot install (as described in the install manual) just make sure you use a kernel that supports your hardware |
| 07:41.18 | Vasistha | when I first installed debian woody, I couldn't get internet working at all. I struggled with it for DAYS. And then I would just give up. When I installed mepis, the internet just worked. |
| 07:41.24 | sep | billy, i don't |
| 07:41.34 | billy | sep : well come on down!! |
| 07:41.52 | sep | im just a ergular employee :) |
| 07:42.00 | sep | and dont do consolting on my own |
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| 07:42.36 | Vasistha | so... you know... depending on the hardware you've got... sometimes the most practical thing is to use another distro as a stepping stone. And based on the SATA experience billy had... it sounds like ubuntu was the best way for him to get started with linux. I think it's great that he's interested in debian -- like I was! |
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| 07:43.11 | sep | billy, the etch daily buitlds dont work for you ? i'v only rearly had problems with those |
| 07:43.43 | sep | Vasistha, most distros is eaqsy to install, when you have a kernel on the cd that supports your hardware |
| 07:43.45 | kelsin | the etch installer was really nice :) at least when I used it about a month ago |
| 07:44.00 | sep | yes it's very nice |
| 07:44.29 | billy | Vasistha : I think ubuntu is a good starting point. sep: Yes, they'd "work". They'd install and such. But I never could get such things as media playing, and my wife must have media in order to view online lectures, just as i must to listen to audio studies. |
| 07:45.47 | markybob | !debian-multimedia |
| 07:45.47 | dpkg | somebody said debian-multimedia was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 07:45.47 | sep | ubuntu is okish,if all you need is a desktop. but if you need a little flexibility. it too quickly falls apart |
| 07:45.47 | billy | for instance, the audio studies I frequently listen to are in .rm format. |
| 07:46.06 | kelsin | sep: exactly what made me switch from gentoo to ubuntu forever before finally going... WTF why don't I try debian |
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| 07:46.07 | billy | sep : could you expand on "it too quickly falls apart". What exactly do you mean? |
| 07:46.33 | Vasistha | billy: ahh, debian-multimedia is your friend... I can play rm streams with mplayer on debian |
| 07:47.28 | billy | Vasistha : man! I'm so tempted to try the dual boot ubuntu/debian again. Gosh I'm such an addict! |
| 07:47.56 | Vasistha | billy: hehe ... I was an addict until I got settled comfortably into debian, now I don't have a whole lot of interest in other distros, for my own personal use |
| 07:49.26 | billy | Vasistha: yaeh. Debian seems like a distro that one *could* settle into. Awesome reputation, from what I read. |
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| 07:50.30 | Vasistha | billy: ...when you're ready :-) And, as frustrating as it can sometimes be in this channel... it's also often quite helpful, getting all your stuff working. I think in the long run, debian stable is much easier to maintain than just about anything else. |
| 07:50.46 | billy | I recall that adding debian-multimedia would always return a "key needed" error. Where can I find the key to get into that bad boy. |
| 07:51.51 | markybob | at debian-multimedia.org if you read the page |
| 07:52.07 | billy | oh. that simple huh? |
| 07:52.17 | billy | man. so dang tempting. |
| 07:52.47 | markybob | billy, http://debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
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| 07:53.49 | enouf | !test |
| 07:53.49 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 07:53.54 | Vasistha | anybody know, what's the character limit for dpkg? |
| 07:53.58 | enouf | bitch |
| 07:54.01 | Vasistha | is it 500? |
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| 07:54.39 | enouf | whats wrong with dpkg .. she's not speaking to me in PM? :-( |
| 07:54.44 | enouf | !spank dpkg |
| 07:55.01 | billy | thanks markybob. that went into my little linux notebook. |
| 07:55.02 | enouf | !bell |
| 07:55.03 | dpkg | i guess bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 07:55.15 | Vasistha | enouf: if you overuse dpkg, it ignores you for a little while |
| 07:55.34 | enouf | Vasistha: i haven't touched her in aleast a few hours man .. sheesh |
| 07:55.46 | enouf | maybe like 12 |
| 07:55.48 | enouf | even |
| 07:56.00 | Vasistha | enouf: well, then ... gosh, it oughtn't ignore you, I should think, unless you did something really bad! :D |
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| 07:56.21 | enouf | not me :-P ...<turns and runs> |
| 07:56.56 | billy | I have a fairly recently produced CPU. where can I go to see which kernel supports my hardware? |
| 07:57.18 | markybob | billy http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 07:57.29 | billy | u da man, markybob. |
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| 07:58.20 | Vasistha | dpkg: no, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. Marillat's old place (ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat) is no more - he moved to http://debian-multimedia.org - update your sources.list! |
| 07:58.20 | dpkg | okay, Vasistha |
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| 08:06.42 | dka | hi |
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| 08:07.36 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.44 | dka | sorry for my eng |
| 08:10.51 | Vasistha | dka: well, first of all, what version of debian are you using? |
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| 08:12.05 | dka | i don't use debian, but i like debian support =) i find how do that work =) thx |
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| 08:12.38 | billy | well. i'm downloading Kenshi's latest build. I just know that I won't respect myself in the morning. :) |
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| 08:12.45 | Sonics | somebody wants one hd? http://dimensionx.orgfree.com/index.php?menu=6&pag=1 |
| 08:13.09 | unlink | holy shit, why is my clock 52 seconds off after a couple of days? |
| 08:13.23 | pbbb | if im root how can i check a 'screen' process runned by a local user? |
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| 08:14.14 | jelly-home | Sonics: looks like old scsi stuff to me |
| 08:15.00 | Vasistha | unlink: I think for some reason the linux kernel likes to take control of the clock, rather than just letting the hardware do it. You might consider running ntpdate to stabilize |
| 08:15.31 | Sonics | must be jelly-home |
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| 08:15.38 | Vasistha | pbbb: what do you mean, "check"? Do you want to look at the user's screen? |
| 08:15.43 | Sonics | look the cooling in other page |
| 08:15.56 | Sonics | next week more images |
| 08:15.59 | Sonics | :) |
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| 08:16.37 | jelly-home | Sonics: hmm, "must be"? They're not yours? |
| 08:17.02 | Vasistha | dka: you might like debian support, but it is very frustrating for us sometimes -- maybe you are having a problem which is not at all a debian problem -- we can struggle with it for a long time, but we don't have any way of solving your problem because it's not a debian problem. |
| 08:17.19 | Sonics | hauhauha, not |
| 08:17.33 | dka | ) |
| 08:18.28 | Sonics | I found this image another day |
| 08:18.41 | Vasistha | "the other day" ;-) |
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| 08:18.55 | Sonics | not remember whre |
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| 08:19.17 | Vasistha | "I don't" remember where ... uhm, let me know if you don't want the grammatical advice :-) |
| 08:19.21 | Sonics | my english is horrible, sorry |
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| 08:19.56 | Vasistha | Sonics: oh, you don't have to apologize, I'm just trying to be helpful |
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| 08:20.26 | Vasistha | Sonics: but some people resent being corrected ... on the other hand, some people like learning, and appreciate it. |
| 08:20.28 | Sonics | ok |
| 08:20.33 | pbbb | Vasistha, yes |
| 08:20.55 | Sonics | yes |
| 08:21.00 | Vasistha | pbbb: one can't help being hesitant to give such advice -- why is it that you want to do this? ;-) |
| 08:21.17 | FrankBOB | Hi, I'm trying to make mounted fs be accesible by all users |
| 08:21.18 | pbbb | well, i am root... |
| 08:21.19 | FrankBOB | I tryed mount -t ntfs -o ro,user /dev/hda6 /mnt/E |
| 08:21.22 | pbbb | anyway i figured it out |
| 08:21.29 | Coke | I have a directory which has rw-rw-r-- but when users from the group create files in it they automatically become rw-r--r--. Is there any way for a directory to force the file mod to use the directory permissions rather than the user settings? |
| 08:21.42 | Sonics | i am brazilian |
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| 08:22.17 | dav__ | elo |
| 08:22.33 | dav__ | i m using a Pentium 4 what distrib shld i choose amd64 or i386 or what to download ? |
| 08:22.36 | Vasistha | pbbb: well, anyway, the way I would do it is to just su to the user account and use the screen command to duplicate or whatever. |
| 08:22.45 | dav__ | please answer me i have to go to work!!! |
| 08:22.46 | dav__ | :) |
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| 08:23.09 | Vasistha | dav__: probably i386 |
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| 08:23.16 | dav__ | Vasistha, thank you dear |
| 08:23.22 | Vasistha | dav__: it's not 64-bit architecture, is it? |
| 08:23.29 | dav__ | Vasistha, i don't knw |
| 08:23.59 | FrankBOB | What I am doing wrong? |
| 08:24.01 | unlink | Vasistha: yeah i ran it a couple of days ago |
| 08:24.02 | lunitik | dav__: if you're gonna want flash and java and codecs... then you want i386 |
| 08:24.12 | unlink | Vasistha: it shouldn't be necessary to run daily though |
| 08:24.15 | Vasistha | dav__: I *should* know whether a 'pentium 4' is 64-bit ... but sadly, I am ignorant of the newer computers. I think you want i386 though. |
| 08:24.17 | lunitik | at least until multiarch is implemented in dpkg |
| 08:24.21 | dav__ | lunitik, thank you!!! |
| 08:24.26 | dav__ | thank you all i have to go!!!! |
| 08:24.27 | dav__ | :) |
| 08:24.36 | Vasistha | FrankBOB: try "users" instead of "user" |
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| 08:25.38 | lunitik | Vasistha: new pentium 4's are 64bit... but most home users do not benefit from using 64bit software yet |
| 08:25.45 | lunitik | just adds more headaches for them |
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| 08:25.56 | FrankBOB | Vasistha: thank you, but it didn't worked |
| 08:26.01 | Vasistha | well, darn it. Why do they have to call it a pentium 4 if it's so drastically different? grumble. |
| 08:26.23 | Abriel | Can someone tell me why i get BLKFLSBUF failed: Function not implemented, error and my NEC DVD drive works like there is no DMA even if it's enabled? |
| 08:27.04 | Abriel | I switched to 2.6.20.1 custom build kernel few days ago, and i start getting this error |
| 08:27.04 | lunitik | Vasistha: I believe Pentium 4 has the same size silicon |
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| 08:27.57 | lunitik | Abriel: #kernel would probably be more responsive (I believe that's the linux kernel channel) |
| 08:28.07 | Vasistha | lunitik: ohhh... so that's why. Yeah, that makes sense... but I'd still argue that it's unfortunate! Can you put it into a socket for an older motherboard and expect it to work?! I wouldn't think so... oh well. |
| 08:28.35 | Vasistha | FrankBOB: I almost always struggle with this stuff through several iterations before I get it right, myself. mount permissions are often a big headache. |
| 08:29.08 | FrankBOB | aha, any more suggestions? |
| 08:29.12 | Abriel | lunitik: thanks |
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| 08:33.05 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does s.m.a.r.t support sata? When i run smartctl -i /dev/sda, system shows sata don't support s.m.a.r.t |
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| 08:34.16 | Vasistha | FrankBOB: my suggestion is keep trying ... uhm .. sometimes chmod makes a difference |
| 08:35.24 | FrankBOB | okay |
| 08:35.29 | FrankBOB | on related note |
| 08:35.42 | FrankBOB | I can't get my sudoers file to work too |
| 08:36.05 | FrankBOB | visudo keeps telling me there is a syntax error |
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| 08:36.22 | billy | are you doing it as root? |
| 08:36.41 | FrankBOB | yes |
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| 08:37.23 | billy | i always use `nano visudo`. |
| 08:37.30 | utab | Once when logging out I forgot to quit some programs e.g skype, so now when I log in they are right there open, how can I get rid of this, |
| 08:38.07 | Vasistha | utab: are you using kde or gnome? |
| 08:38.17 | utab | Vasistha: kde, thx |
| 08:38.54 | Vasistha | utab: you need to somehow specify that your session should be saved when leaving kde. What happened is, a session got saved with skype, etc., and since then, you have not saved a session. |
| 08:39.14 | Vasistha | utab: another source for the problem might be that those utils got put in your kde Autostart directory |
| 08:39.16 | utab | Vasistha: yes that is the problem I can guess |
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| 08:40.04 | Vasistha | utab: unfortunately I don't remember off the top of my head how to set that up to happen :-) My kde is set up to always save my sessions on exit. you could google for kde save session |
| 08:40.08 | billy | I'd like to install debian alongside ubuntu so that I can work on getting ubuntu running full force while still having ubuntu to do daily things with. Should I edit my partitions before I do the install, or will the installer allow me to edit the partitions without breaking ubuntu. I'm using Kensh Muto's latest custom sarge installer. |
| 08:40.08 | utab | Vasistha: kde Autostart looks like to me like a .bashrc file for kde |
| 08:40.51 | utab | Vasistha: ok thx for the davice |
| 08:40.56 | utab | Vasistha : advice |
| 08:40.58 | Vasistha | utab: uhm ... gosh, I suppose you can think about it that way if you like. I have no idea if that's a good analogy or not :-) |
| 08:41.03 | billy | *i meant, i'd like to work on debian working full force, man it's getting early. |
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| 08:41.22 | utab | Vasistha : in some way :) |
| 08:42.00 | FrankBOB | so here is a line I try to add to sudoers: |
| 08:42.10 | FrankBOB | user hostname = NOPASSWD: /sbin/reboot |
| 08:42.21 | FrankBOB | what's wrong? |
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| 08:45.55 | billy | seems like using the installer would render the ubuntu fstab null and void, probably breaking it. |
| 08:46.14 | Vasistha | billy: why do you think so? |
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| 08:46.39 | jelly-home | billy: did you leave some unused space for Debian? |
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| 08:47.40 | billy | Vasistha: well, i'm not very experienced with it. it seems as though what I'm thinking makes sense, but, I think, it makes sense to someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. :) |
| 08:48.16 | billy | jelly-home : no, unfortunately when I installed ubuntu I did the "automatic" route. so it used the whole 160 gigs. it even gave the swap partition 2.5 gigs. wasn't that nice? :) |
| 08:48.22 | Vasistha | billy: well, okay, but that's not actually an answer to my question -- I asked *why* you think it! ;-) |
| 08:48.44 | Edward_TLS | is the fact that I have "tcp_window_scaling" enables a good thing for performance or not.. ? |
| 08:49.05 | Vasistha | oh-- oh, yeah, you've ... kinda screwed yourself a bit there. But you can probably safely use parted to resize it, if it's not very full. But you should BACK UP YOUR DATA! |
| 08:49.28 | jelly-home | billy: you'll have to forego the automatic stuff this time and shrink a partition or two to make space for Debian |
| 08:49.33 | billy | Vasistha: well, my current fstab is reading where the partitions are on the drive, isn't it? If I move them around, that would alter where they are on the drive, and ubuntu would be looking for the swap partition, for instance, where it wasn't. Does that make any sens? |
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| 08:50.03 | Vasistha | billy: absolutely it does, let me see if I can explain |
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| 08:50.28 | Vasistha | billy: actually, rather ... can you pastebin fdisk -l |
| 08:51.05 | billy | jelly-home: i usually do it manually. so i'm fairly familiar. my problem now is that there isn't any space left, so I have to make some. I have gparted opened, but I can unmount the partition I'm working on, can I? Not sure how it works. |
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| 08:51.22 | billy | Vasistha: how do I use pastebin again? |
| 08:51.31 | Vasistha | !pastebins |
| 08:51.38 | Vasistha | !paste |
| 08:51.38 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 08:51.59 | markybob | billy you'll need to use the livecd gparted, so you can edit the main drive |
| 08:52.01 | jelly-home | billy: boot from cd, then resize |
| 08:52.23 | badcfe | i install asterisk 1.4.1 from source on debian and get "termcap support not found". anyone know if the "termcap-compat" is the package that should be installed then? |
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| 08:52.59 | billy | Vasistha: So I should open that link in Firefox and paste fdisk -l into it? |
| 08:53.10 | Vasistha | billy: yes! |
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| 08:54.02 | billy | Vasistha: ok. there it went. |
| 08:54.17 | billy | This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste2/5602. |
| 08:54.42 | billy | gparted livecd eh? markybob. googling now, kind sir. |
| 08:54.47 | markybob | billy http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
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| 08:55.55 | billy | downloading now, markybob. 'bout a minute to go. |
| 08:56.09 | Vasistha | billy: ahh, okay. So, here's what's going to happen. You'll use a tool, like parted (CLI) or gparted or qparted, to resize sda1 down. Then you'll create another partition for debian, called sda2. But then the SWAP partition will be sda3 instead of sda2 -- so ubuntu's fstab will need to be changed to swap on sda3 instead of sda2 |
| 08:56.38 | badcfe | i get the following in a ./configure script and wander what debian package i should install; "checking for tgetent in -ltermcap... no" |
| 08:56.54 | billy | Vasistha: that sounds simple enough. I should probably go ahead and change it before I reboot into the livecd huh? |
| 08:56.56 | Vasistha | billy: don't worry, though, ubuntu will not try to swap on your debian partition -- it will see that the partition is not a swap partition, and it will not mount it. |
| 08:57.15 | Zaggynl^Laptop | Hi, I'm using Debian Etch and I've installed gnome-power-manager, but suspend/hibernate/brightness slider do not work |
| 08:57.41 | Vasistha | billy: uhm ... either way. What you should really do, though, is back up your data, just in case the partition tool messes up your hard drive partitions. It probably won't happen, but, we always advise backing up! |
| 08:57.53 | billy | Vasistha: this is a total newb question that follows. I'm not good at editing the grub menu list. |
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| 08:58.26 | Vasistha | billy: yeah, you'll get used to it eventually ... and you probably won't even have to do it. Debian will automatically detect both ubuntu and debian kernels, and make the list for you. |
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| 08:59.44 | Vasistha | billy: another thing I would advise you to do is this: make some kind of DATA partition where you keep most of your data that is not at all related to OS. My debian partition is only 5 GB, but then I have a 50 GB partition for data. |
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| 08:59.59 | billy | Vasistha: What I'm aiming toward is having Ubuntu as the default loader. Shouldn't I just put something like `chainloader +1` beside the debian kernel or something? |
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| 09:00.11 | DocPlatypus | Vasistha: would it be advisable to share /home across OSes? |
| 09:00.13 | Vasistha | billy: no, chainloader is only for windoze. |
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| 09:00.34 | DocPlatypus | between Ubuntu and Debian, or other similar GNU/Linux systems? |
| 09:00.34 | billy | Vasistha: cursed be the chainloader. |
| 09:00.49 | Vasistha | DocPlatypus: I probably not, because they'll probably have different versions of config files |
| 09:00.57 | DocPlatypus | ah so |
| 09:01.15 | DocPlatypus | so one would need to make a /data and then symlink $HOME/data to /data/`whoami` ? |
| 09:01.23 | Vasistha | billy: you're confusing levels... let me see if I can straighten you out :-) |
| 09:01.44 | billy | Vasistha: you're more than welcome. |
| 09:01.58 | billy | Vasistha: cool name by the way. just rolls of the tongue. |
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| 09:02.07 | Vasistha | billy: grub, ideally, goes into the "master boot record". That's the first section of the hard drive, which the computer hardware reads, before doing anything else. The computer powers up, does a few tests, and then it looks at the MBR. |
| 09:02.33 | billy | Should I make /boot its own partition? |
| 09:02.36 | Zaggynl^Laptop | I'm using Debian Etch and I've installed gnome-power-manager, but suspend/hibernate/brightness slider do not work, anyone here that could point me in the right direction? |
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| 09:02.41 | Vasistha | billy: before looking at the MBR, the computer doesn't know what an operating system is, it doesn't know if the computer has windows or linux, or a blank empty unformatted hard drive. |
| 09:02.55 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: I'd share /home, swap, not other stuff |
| 09:02.56 | Vasistha | billy: I haven't found any compelling reason to have a separate /boot partition |
| 09:03.34 | billy | Vasistha: OK. |
| 09:03.35 | Vasistha | Zaggynl^Laptop: you might try a gnome channel, you should also see if you can figure out if ACPI is working at all |
| 09:03.57 | Zaggynl^Laptop | Vasistha, how would I check if ACPI is working? |
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| 09:05.21 | Vasistha | billy: so, when the computer reads the MBR, then (in my case and probably your case too) it encounters GRUB. GRUB is probably configured to look on /dev/sda1/boot for further instructions, but when it does that it doesn't know the difference between debian and ubuntu. So booting debian or ubuntu, from grub's perspective, is very similar. |
| 09:05.52 | billy | OK, Vasistha. |
| 09:05.53 | Vasistha | billy: whereas booting windows is an entirely different thing, because windows does not boot in a normal, standard way, and that's why windoze needs the chainloader command |
| 09:05.57 | jansenq | Do you know how to kill a proc when kill -9 does not work? |
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| 09:06.17 | Vasistha | Zaggynl^Laptop: uhm ... ask the channel, I use apm :P |
| 09:06.24 | Zaggynl^Laptop | :P |
| 09:06.27 | billy | jansenq : i usually use the System Monitor to kill, but that's the newb way I guess. |
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| 09:07.14 | billy | Vasistha: that makes sense. Thank you. |
| 09:07.19 | KermitTheFragger | jansenq: what is the state of the proc ? |
| 09:07.31 | hark | Zaggynl^Laptop: are you part of the powerdev group? |
| 09:07.40 | Zaggynl^Laptop | hark, lemme check |
| 09:08.12 | jansenq | KermitTheFragger: state = D |
| 09:08.13 | Zaggynl^Laptop | hark, nope |
| 09:08.42 | hark | then add youself, logout and login.. reboot or restart dbus as well |
| 09:08.51 | Zaggynl^Laptop | okay, thanks |
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| 09:08.56 | Vasistha | billy: you're welcome. So, anyway ... grub can be configured to look on /dev/sda1/boot or /dev/sda2/boot or whatever. It doesn't really matter which -- debian or ubuntu -- in either case the menu.lst will be similar. |
| 09:08.58 | KermitTheFragger | jansenq: thats an IO state, right ? |
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| 09:09.42 | Vasistha | billy: but since you're installing debian, then I'd say it's better to let debian install its own grub in the MBR, that way debian's installer will detect both ubuntu and debian, and will give you the option to boot either one with the menu. |
| 09:09.43 | KermitTheFragger | jansenq: yeah definitly, the proc is waiting for IO |
| 09:10.00 | jansenq | KermitTheFragger: I believe so... |
| 09:10.11 | KermitTheFragger | jansenq: thosoe are nasty states... |
| 09:10.17 | KermitTheFragger | jansenq: does attaching strace to the proc reveal anything ? |
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| 09:11.56 | hulu | how do i hide join/part messages in ircii? |
| 09:12.34 | psyche | how long it takes to compile kernel with 256 ram? |
| 09:12.34 | wols_ | <just use irssi |
| 09:12.42 | Vasistha | hulu: I bet someone in #irssi knows if you don't get an answer here ;-) |
| 09:12.47 | wols_ | psyche: depends on your CPU :) |
| 09:12.56 | jansenq | KermitTheFragger: Nothing yet. |
| 09:12.56 | hulu | ok will try irssi |
| 09:13.03 | Vasistha | psyche: well, it's going to depend on your cpu and your .. uhm ... what's that other thing called |
| 09:13.03 | Vasistha | cache |
| 09:13.07 | billy | psyche: i have a gig of RAM and 2x3.2 GHz CPU and it take me about 15 mins. |
| 09:13.09 | Vasistha | your cache is very important |
| 09:13.15 | wols_ | Vasistha: no. disk is |
| 09:13.25 | KermitTheFragger | jansenq: any clue on what it could be waiting ? a HDD, Tapedrive, CDROM ? |
| 09:13.34 | Vasistha | it takes about 4 hours to compile the stock debian kernel on a 333 MHz machine |
| 09:13.47 | billy | goodness |
| 09:14.09 | psyche | billy i started to update kernel for my friend through ssh and it is 333mhz :D |
| 09:14.12 | Vasistha | I only did that once, then I waited until I could get the 1.8 GHz machine set up, where it only takes an hour |
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| 09:14.24 | psyche | well... |
| 09:14.26 | psyche | i have time |
| 09:14.38 | jansenq | KermitTheFragger: HDD |
| 09:15.03 | Vasistha | ideally, you can take out a lot of junk from the .config that you don't need ... but you have to know what you can take out, and what you can't, and ... well, I've not been successful in that endeavor just yet. |
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| 09:15.25 | KermitTheFragger | jansenq: well if you cant figure out what it wants and provide it, you might have to reboot the system |
| 09:15.35 | KermitTheFragger | jane: there is no way you can kill such a process |
| 09:15.38 | Zaggynl^Laptop | hark, thanks, that did the job |
| 09:15.46 | Zaggynl^Laptop | now to find out how to propery get my laptop out of suspend :o |
| 09:15.57 | psyche | does it matter is it custom kernel or not? |
| 09:16.12 | wols_ | psyche: not really |
| 09:16.20 | wols_ | only in corner cases |
| 09:16.26 | Vasistha | psyche: custom or not, it should take the same amount of time to compile, unless you strip out a whole bunch of stuff |
| 09:16.31 | jansenq | KermitTheFragger: Thanks... I was hoping to avoid that... There goes the next four hours of my sleep. |
| 09:16.48 | billy | Vasistha: a moment ago someone mentioned using the chmod boot command when installing from K.Muto's custom installer. Why did they recommend this? |
| 09:16.50 | jansenq | KermitTheFragger: It appears there may be a fs issue... |
| 09:16.55 | jansenq | KermitTheFragger: Thanks for the help |
| 09:17.00 | Vasistha | psyche: my kernel is "custom" but the only changes are commenting out a psmouse_reset, and I turn off ACPI. |
| 09:17.13 | KermitTheFragger | jansenq: i know what you mean, had the same thing once with a d-state proc :( |
| 09:17.14 | Vasistha | billy: I have know idea. |
| 09:17.27 | Vasistha | uhm, "no" idea. |
| 09:17.30 | billy | Vasistha: "know idea". I think that's a juxtaposition, eh? |
| 09:17.32 | psyche | if it takes like 4 hours with this hardware... i wonder how many cigarette i need if it fails |
| 09:17.33 | Vasistha | I'm tired. should go to bed. |
| 09:17.41 | jelly-home | Vasistha: I do wonder why would one compile a kernel w/ everything |
| 09:17.46 | jelly-home | psyche: you don't have to compile in on that machine |
| 09:17.47 | Vasistha | psyche: why custom? |
| 09:17.50 | wols_ | psyche: not too many. make is smart |
| 09:17.52 | jelly-home | Vasistha: default (no .config) is a good start. |
| 09:17.56 | jelly-home | ...ing point |
| 09:17.57 | wols_ | psyche: you do use kernel-package? |
| 09:18.01 | billy | Vasistha: same here. I'm not a night owl. I'm a nocturne. |
| 09:18.01 | jelly-home | Vasistha: it _shouldn't_ take the same amount of time. Usually there's no need to compile all the drivers |
| 09:18.04 | Vasistha | jelly-home: because when I tried to remove stuff, I guess I removed too much, and it didn't work. |
| 09:18.08 | jelly-home | psyche: you CAN compile the kernel on anothe machine, you know :-) |
| 09:18.10 | psyche | wols_ nope |
| 09:18.22 | psyche | i compile it manually |
| 09:18.23 | wols_ | psyche: then start using it |
| 09:18.26 | jelly-home | Vasistha: that's a PEBCAK though |
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| 09:18.32 | wols_ | psyche: bad idea |
| 09:18.36 | Vasistha | damn it. |
| 09:18.43 | psyche | wols_ hell no, i have compiled this shit like 2 hours now |
| 09:18.55 | psyche | but yea... i have time |
| 09:19.29 | Vasistha | jelly-home: well, excuse me for not being familiar with every frickin' one of the hundreds of kernel options and modules and builtins to know whether my hardware is using them. |
| 09:19.35 | jelly-home | Vasistha: well, compile in your boot disk controller, your filesystems, everything else is pretty much optional |
| 09:20.18 | Vasistha | jelly-home: when I did all the removals, I *thought* I was being conservative with the removals. But I failed. So I need to try again. But it's such a darn time-consuming process, I haven't gotten around to it. |
| 09:20.19 | billy | Vasistha: one last Q before I take the plunge. I'm going to use the Debian menu.lst. Is there a way to get it to have ubuntu as the default loaded OS, so that my wife doesn't have to interpret some wild looking menu ? |
| 09:20.37 | jelly-home | Vasistha: I'm just saying a typical custom build on a decent machine doesn't take an hour. More like 10 minutes or so. |
| 09:20.38 | Vasistha | billy: yeah, I can help you set up the menu.lst |
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| 09:21.16 | Vasistha | jelly-home: well, sure. But it could easily take me an hour to go through the entire make menuconfig, trying to figure out whether I can turn this off or not -- and that's attended time, as opposed to unattended time. |
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| 09:21.37 | billy | Vasistha: That's very kind of you. Of course, that'll be *after* Debian is installed. :) I reckon I'll chat at y'all from within Debian in a little while. You gonna be around in a moment, Vasistha, or are you about to crash? |
| 09:21.39 | hulu | can someone give me a one-line irssi connect line for this server? |
| 09:21.42 | jelly-home | Vasistha: best not to start with a distribution .config with has every possible driver enabled, but use no .config at all |
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| 09:22.13 | karsten | hulu: irssi -c irc.freenode.net |
| 09:22.20 | jelly-home | Vasistha: ah, that's a good point |
| 09:22.22 | Vasistha | jelly-home: I suppose, but at the same time -- I just wanted it to work. I wanted to have a kernel that my computer could boot. But that's a really good idea, I'm going to try that. |
| 09:22.46 | hulu | karsten: thanks: i was using irssi -h <server> don't know where i got that from |
| 09:23.14 | hulu | karsten, what about an option to join #debian? |
| 09:23.19 | karsten | hulu: An unreliable source, apparently ;-) |
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| 09:23.35 | karsten | hulu: I just do that manually. You can script stuff, others may know more here. |
| 09:23.48 | karsten | hulu: irssi is pretty much teh client of choice here. |
| 09:23.49 | Vasistha | jelly-home: with a stock debian kernel, my computer hangs on boot. my synaptics touchpad has a firmware bug that makes it seize up if you ever call psmouse_reset .. so I have to make this modification. And the ACPI on this lappy is super-buggy, so I turn that off. Anyway, I think we're in agreement now, I'm going to try starting with a blank slate, and empty .config ! |
| 09:23.51 | hulu | karsten. alright. let me get connected with irssi... |
| 09:23.52 | wols_ | irssi.org has some docs for that kind of automation |
| 09:23.59 | hulu | brb |
| 09:24.00 | billy | choi, gang. thanks for the help, Vasistha. I'll be talking to you all a little later. |
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| 09:24.30 | wols_ | Vasistha: well, you're new |
| 09:24.42 | jelly-home | klient of khoike? |
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| 09:25.15 | Vasistha | wols_: I used irssi for a month, and I just couldn't dig it. Konvi does several things that I really like. I spent a long time in the #irssi channel asking people how to configure this and that ... and irssi just can't do what I want. |
| 09:25.22 | hulu | well this is weird "Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.us.freenode.net port 6667 [Cannot assign requested address: 208.71.169.36" |
| 09:25.31 | hulu | but ircii connects just fine |
| 09:25.32 | jelly-home | Vasistha: uhh... I'm kinda glad I researched my hardware befor buying :-) |
| 09:26.36 | Vasistha | jelly-home: heh .. well, I bought this confuser in '99, used on yahoo auctions, and at that time I had no idea I would ever use linux for anything! |
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| 09:27.12 | jelly-home | Vasistha: ah, then I'm not surprised it takes an hour to build the kernel. ;-) |
| 09:27.50 | Vasistha | wols_: after lots of discussion, several super-hardcore irssi fanatics admitted that irssi probably wouldn't meet my needs ... so I decided to be happy with konvi |
| 09:27.52 | vn- | I just can't believe how fast it is to build the kernel with my enw computer |
| 09:28.01 | vn- | Q6700X...no wonder :p |
| 09:28.26 | Vasistha | jelly-home: heh .. I dunno how much of the conversation you were here for, but ... it takes 4 hours on this machine. The 1 hour figure was for this 1.8 GHz box over here |
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| 09:28.55 | vn- | 4 hrs! |
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| 09:29.12 | Vasistha | vn-: yeah .. that's why I don't do it on this computer anymore! |
| 09:29.18 | vn- | ;) |
| 09:29.32 | vn- | thats why I don't compile postgresql anymore on my old linux box |
| 09:29.36 | vn- | took 52 hrs... |
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| 09:29.43 | vn- | and dumped it right after |
| 09:29.44 | vn- | lol |
| 09:29.49 | Vasistha | oh, wow. well, okay, that's just in another ballpark. |
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| 09:47.46 | Ramattack | hi! |
| 09:47.52 | Vasistha | welcome |
| 09:48.09 | Ramattack | I'm running Sarge and Debian 2.6.8-3-686 kernel |
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| 09:48.59 | Ramattack | and got on the boot after loading initramfs the next message instead of Done : atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying access hardware directly." |
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| 09:49.23 | Ramattack | and after that get twice or trhrice on wile kernel booting this messages |
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| 09:50.46 | assasukasse | *trayer not tracker |
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| 09:51.30 | jenipapo | Hi all |
| 09:51.41 | Ramattack | when trying to run pcihotplug too gives pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\SB_.PCIO evaluate _BN fail=0x5 |
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| 09:51.54 | Ramattack | am I having troubles with acpi? |
| 09:52.00 | jenipapo | I am still in woody but I cannot find the correct links for source.list |
| 09:52.08 | jenipapo | Can somebody help? |
| 09:52.36 | Vasistha | jenipapo: are you intending to upgrade, or what? woody isn't getting updates anymore, you know. |
| 09:52.43 | Ramattack | upgrade to sarge man |
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| 09:52.56 | jenipapo | No, I cant at the moment |
| 09:53.18 | yomm | Hi ! Where can I find the Official Debian Repositories list ? my sources.list is broken ! |
| 09:53.29 | yomm | I'm using Etch |
| 09:53.43 | Vasistha | mirrors |
| 09:53.46 | Vasistha | !mirrors |
| 09:53.47 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 09:53.58 | yomm | Vasistha : Thank you ! |
| 09:54.04 | Vasistha | np |
| 09:54.13 | Ramattack | has anybody an issue like that please? |
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| 09:54.43 | Vasistha | jenipapo: you might check those lists, too, although I don't know if they'll say anything about woody. But look around the debian web site, you ought to be able to find info about woody. |
| 09:54.55 | Vasistha | Ramattack: wish I could help, but I have noooo idea. |
| 09:55.11 | jenipapo | Thank you Vasistha |
| 09:55.17 | Vasistha | Ramattack: honestly, I don't know if you are having trouble booting, or loading a module, or compiling, or what ;-) |
| 09:55.25 | jenipapo | No |
| 09:55.43 | Ramattack | Vasistha no problem aparently |
| 09:55.44 | jenipapo | The question is I have to install mysql for a test |
| 09:56.09 | Ramattack | it's a debian default installation...with a kernel-2.6.8-3-686 kernel |
| 09:56.14 | Ramattack | from debian repository |
| 09:56.23 | Ramattack | and getting that errors... |
| 09:56.23 | jenipapo | And I dont want to upgrade now because I am going to change the whole machine that is 7 years old! |
| 09:56.30 | Ramattack | but machine is onlien |
| 09:56.32 | Ramattack | online |
| 09:56.50 | Vasistha | jenipapo: good luck... oh, oh ... uhm, it ought to be available somewhere! |
| 09:57.22 | jenipapo | "/dist/obsolete" :) |
| 09:57.25 | Vasistha | hmm, my machine is almost 9 years old! wow! just upgraded to etch... |
| 09:57.41 | Vasistha | jenipapo: it might be "oldstable" or "woody", depending on your source |
| 09:57.49 | jenipapo | I just changes the motherbord on monday |
| 09:58.03 | yomm | !apt-spy |
| 09:58.03 | dpkg | from memory, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 09:58.21 | Vasistha | jenipapo: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/woody/ |
| 09:58.35 | jenipapo | No ! I cant believe ! |
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| 10:00.14 | Vasistha | jenipapo: I think you can actually use that in your sources.list .. perhaps something like deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ woody main contrib non-free |
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| 10:01.39 | jenipapo | Vasistha: That works! I am free for 7 more years! |
| 10:01.48 | jenipapo | After that I upgrade in sarge |
| 10:01.57 | jenipapo | If stable :) |
| 10:02.00 | Vasistha | jenipapo: heh, I dunno about those 7 years, but have fun |
| 10:02.24 | jenipapo | Are you there on this list in 7 years Vasistha ? |
| 10:02.25 | Vasistha | jenipapo: woody had a very long lifetime, it is unlikely sarge's life will be as long ... although ... etch has not been released yet! |
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| 10:03.03 | Vasistha | jenipapo: oh, probably not. let me put it this way: I hope not. And it's not because I don't like being here, it's because I hope by that time I will be paying someone to configure computers for me, instead of doing it myself. |
| 10:03.06 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 10:03.21 | Ramattack | thanks a lot folks time to go later return...!! |
| 10:03.23 | yomm | yaikes apt-spy segmentation fault |
| 10:03.49 | perlmonkey | Hi, has anyone had any success with Epson printers under Linux |
| 10:03.51 | jenipapo | Vasistha: I will be retired! |
| 10:04.04 | jenipapo | Vasistha: Where do you live? |
| 10:04.25 | rpc | does bridge chaining exist? |
| 10:04.26 | yomm | "apt-spy -d testing -a Europe" would that be ok for Etch ? |
| 10:04.54 | Vasistha | jenipapo: well, now, that's another thought entirely ... but incidentally, I don't really want to retire. The world is so messed up, millions, no, billions of people are suffering ... how can I "retire" when the world is like this? I won't retire, but I hope I'll be able to delegate computer maintenance to someone who likes doing that. I live in Los Angeles. |
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| 10:05.29 | jenipapo | Vasistha: I leave in France |
| 10:05.37 | Vasistha | "live"! :D |
| 10:06.08 | rpc | err another question: is it possible to make an eth bridge that is using ip alias instead of main eth0 device? so i first bind an ip to to eth0:1 and then build a bridge on that one |
| 10:06.31 | jenipapo | Vasistha: Thank you very much for your help and sorry for my bad english |
| 10:06.57 | rpc | jenipapo your english is way better than many Americans that i met in my life ;) |
| 10:07.03 | rpc | and British too lol |
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| 10:07.15 | Vasistha | jenipapo: salut! Well, it is a much more reasonable hour for you ... my, uh, typing skills, and my grammar, and spelling, and ability to participate on irc is rapidly declining. No need to apologize, I just like to be helpful, correcting people's english, if they want to learn it better. But mine is so pathetic right now, I'd better go to bed... |
| 10:07.16 | jenipapo | rpc: sorry, I cant believe |
| 10:07.33 | rpc | being non-english myself i care about grammar and spelling more than native speakers... |
| 10:07.46 | Vasistha | rpc: more than *most* native speakers ;-) |
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| 10:08.02 | rpc | yes, that's correct :) |
| 10:08.06 | jenipapo | :) |
| 10:08.37 | rpc | isn't it ridiculous when you meet a native that can't spell as well as you do? :) |
| 10:08.48 | rpc | how do you correct such a person lol |
| 10:09.08 | rpc | i would say it's a shame :) |
| 10:09.33 | jenipapo | Anyway, guys, have a nice day (night), I'm going to enjoy woody! |
| 10:09.43 | rpc | oh you surely will |
| 10:09.47 | rpc | viva la France ;) |
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| 10:09.54 | jenipapo | Vive la France |
| 10:09.59 | billy | Greetings everyone. |
| 10:09.59 | rpc | sorry lmao |
| 10:10.07 | perlmonkey | c'est la vie |
| 10:10.10 | jenipapo | Merci à l'Amérique |
| 10:10.15 | rpc | jenipapo at least you got your chance to correct me now he he |
| 10:10.20 | rpc | perlmonkey lol eye |
| 10:10.22 | Vasistha | pas du tout |
| 10:10.24 | rpc | aye* (doh) |
| 10:10.24 | perlmonkey | :-) |
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| 10:10.35 | jenipapo | Yes I know some french words! |
| 10:10.45 | rpc | i love the word "tout" even though i have no idea what that means |
| 10:10.51 | Vasistha | "all" |
| 10:10.53 | Vasistha | I think |
| 10:10.58 | rpc | it's like a trumpet, "tuuuut" or something :) |
| 10:10.59 | jenipapo | yes |
| 10:11.07 | jenipapo | :) |
| 10:11.14 | Vasistha | "pas du tout" =? "not at all" |
| 10:11.17 | rpc | there is this funny song too |
| 10:11.26 | jenipapo | My city name is Toulouse |
| 10:11.30 | rpc | goes like tururutut or something and that's a french song |
| 10:11.31 | jenipapo | said to loose |
| 10:11.32 | jenipapo | :( |
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| 10:11.46 | Vasistha | well, at least it's not "to lose" |
| 10:11.50 | rpc | jenipapo he he |
| 10:11.59 | jenipapo | lose? |
| 10:12.03 | Vasistha | but "too loose" is pretty bad, too, I suppose |
| 10:12.06 | jenipapo | I dont know this one |
| 10:12.10 | rpc | btw Toulouse is great |
| 10:12.18 | rpc | perlmonkey i phoned Scotland this morning :) |
| 10:12.23 | Vasistha | to lose is the opposite of to win. lose your wallet, bad, bad. |
| 10:12.28 | jenipapo | yes |
| 10:12.34 | rpc | perlmonkey damn it was fun to speak scottish again |
| 10:12.34 | jenipapo | I made a mistake |
| 10:12.39 | jenipapo | its "to lose" |
| 10:12.47 | Vasistha | rpc: so, what's your native language, anyway? |
| 10:12.48 | rpc | perlmonkey i put a candy im my mouth just for that lol |
| 10:13.03 | rpc | Vasistha i speak polish and german |
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| 10:13.18 | jenipapo | I also speak occitan |
| 10:13.19 | Vasistha | jenipapo: the difference in pronunciation between "loose" and "lose" : loose has a non-voiced s, lose has a voiced s, like z |
| 10:13.27 | rpc | jenipapo oh that's nice |
| 10:13.30 | Vasistha | erm |
| 10:13.33 | Vasistha | damn it. |
| 10:13.39 | Vasistha | english. |
| 10:13.48 | rpc | ponglish? :) |
| 10:13.56 | jenipapo | Vasistha: so, its "to lose" <- Toulouse |
| 10:13.59 | Vasistha | un petit peu de francais |
| 10:14.09 | rpc | oui oui ;) |
| 10:14.15 | jenipapo | rpc: comprenes l'occitan tus ? |
| 10:14.30 | rpc | jenipapo soorry :) |
| 10:14.35 | Vasistha | jenipapo: yeah, I guess it would be, if I know anything about how to pronounce such a french word ending "se" |
| 10:14.43 | jenipapo | rpc: Do you speak occitan? |
| 10:14.48 | rpc | jenipapo i understood the question but can't answer |
| 10:15.28 | jenipapo | rpc: you can answer "oc" or "no" |
| 10:15.30 | jenipapo | easy |
| 10:15.36 | perlmonkey | rpc: are you a scot? |
| 10:15.37 | rpc | he he very nice |
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| 10:15.53 | Vasistha | so, when the french people say "oueh" -- that is, an informal "oui" without the "i' sound ... how do you spell that? When we say "yeah" in english, it is less formal than "yes", but it takes more characters to type out! |
| 10:15.54 | rpc | perlmonkey nope but i used to live there for a long time, told you in #perl a few weeks ago ;) |
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| 10:16.14 | jenipapo | Los amics m'en bao trabalha un monsi! |
| 10:16.26 | perlmonkey | oh yes |
| 10:16.39 | rpc | perlmonkey green tea passion we share :) |
| 10:16.43 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 10:16.48 | perlmonkey | it's all coming back |
| 10:16.54 | jenipapo | Vasistha: ouè |
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| 10:17.01 | perlmonkey | my memory is very bad I must say for nicknames |
| 10:17.01 | vaq | oh no.... not green tea |
| 10:17.09 | rpc | perlmonkey and gravy passion too lol |
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| 10:17.14 | rpc | vaq no? |
| 10:17.16 | Vasistha | jenipapo: if I do it without the accent, as "oue", will people understand? |
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| 10:17.34 | jenipapo | Vasistha: maybe no |
| 10:17.35 | rpc | perlmonkey that's because we didn't meet since, or just once he he |
| 10:17.46 | vaq | rpc, no, i hate that taste :) - Better of with a coke or water : |
| 10:17.57 | jenipapo | Vasistha: The same with doubt : mouè |
| 10:18.16 | rpc | vaq there are so many tastes of green tea... plus you probably don't know how to prepare it so it tastes good :) |
| 10:18.18 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 10:18.24 | Vasistha | jenipapo: ah, alright, good to know! "oui" is it ... but moue/ isn't really in my vocabulary, so I've no need to worry about that :-) |
| 10:18.44 | jenipapo | Vasistha: moué :) |
| 10:18.50 | rpc | moo? |
| 10:19.01 | rpc | cows are nice and friendly |
| 10:19.04 | vaq | rpc, maybe your right, please DCC me a right cup of green tea :) |
| 10:19.24 | rpc | vaq my dcc buffer is broken :) but i can hand you and idea right here :) |
| 10:19.37 | Vasistha | as much as I enjoyed studying french, and spending time in france... living in los angeles, I really wish I spoke spanish. There are so many people here who only speak spanish, and I meet very few french speakers in my hometown! But I made my choice in college and had a nice time in france :-) And I can still learn spanish. |
| 10:19.43 | rpc | or ask perlmonkey, he will happily teach you the basic rules of preparing real green tea |
| 10:20.07 | rpc | Vasistha so true... i wish i could speak spanish myself |
| 10:20.17 | Vasistha | rpc: oh, where do you live? |
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| 10:20.19 | jenipapo | Buenos dias a todos y hata la vista |
| 10:20.24 | jenipapo | hasta |
| 10:20.38 | rpc | Vasistha i don't know already, i bet i lived in too many places :) |
| 10:20.45 | Vasistha | haha! |
| 10:20.46 | vaq | rpc, haha okay ;) hehe but still.... tea... When i think of tea a picture of a old lady comes to my mind |
| 10:20.59 | rpc | perlmonkey i phoned Scotland because they sent me a new debit card today :) |
| 10:21.21 | rpc | perlmonkey and i needed to fix my online banking access he he |
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| 10:21.53 | pvf | ubunteros, what's the point of a configure script ? |
| 10:21.57 | rpc | vaq hm and when you think of pepsi a naked girl pops up :) that's what commercials do to your brain :) |
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| 10:22.05 | rodion | Hi all |
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| 10:22.20 | rpc | pvf this ain't ubuntu :) |
| 10:22.23 | piztek | can anyone help me with a display problem? |
| 10:22.25 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.29 | Vasistha | pvf: I think the point is that it makes things easier for people who don't know how to do things. |
| 10:22.29 | vaq | rpc, hah well that might be true :) |
| 10:22.32 | wols_ | !tell piztek about ask |
| 10:22.38 | pvf | eh... the question remains |
| 10:22.49 | rodion | Anybody knows hwo to make works ndiswrapper under Debian 3.1? |
| 10:22.50 | wols_ | pvf: and we won't answer it. ask #ubuntu |
| 10:22.57 | vaq | Does anybody know a good training camp in the UK with courses on pentesting/*NIX security? |
| 10:23.04 | rpc | vaq well rule of a thumb... never ever use piping hot water on green tea |
| 10:23.22 | vaq | rpc, really?, didn't knew. |
| 10:23.23 | piztek | wols_: no it's my display, i can't set it to it's maximum resolution. after the new kernel installed I had to revert everything and now I can't make my display 1600x1200 |
| 10:23.31 | perlmonkey | rpc: could you understand the scottish person on phone? or did you get redirected to India |
| 10:23.41 | rpc | vaq you will kill it and it tastes like shit then |
| 10:23.42 | pvf | well, ubuntu and debian are synonyms now |
| 10:23.52 | Vasistha | rodion: rather than asking "anybody knows" just state what your problem is, what you've done so far, and what's happening right now that's not working. |
| 10:23.52 | wols_ | piztek: you using fglrx or nvidia driver? if yes, you need to remake them for the new kernel |
| 10:24.00 | piztek | nvidia driver |
| 10:24.01 | wols_ | pvf: go away |
| 10:24.01 | rpc | perlmonkey hm it was a scottish guy :) |
| 10:24.08 | pvf | lol |
| 10:24.11 | piztek | no i went back to the old kernel |
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| 10:24.18 | billy | howdy folks. |
| 10:24.23 | vaq | rpc, that might be why i didn't like the taste in the first place then :) |
| 10:24.31 | rpc | vaq absolutely |
| 10:24.34 | wols_ | piztek: and the nvidia driver is loaded, and Xorg will use nvidia for its driver? |
| 10:24.44 | pvf | ubuntu it's the best representation of debian...you guys should be happy ! |
| 10:24.48 | piztek | wols_: yes |
| 10:24.52 | Vasistha | billy: hey. want help getting that menu.lst set up, or did you even get that far? |
| 10:24.58 | rpc | vaq and rule #2... never prepare gtea for more than 3 mins... after that it will have a diff effect on your brain and such |
| 10:25.06 | wols_ | piztek: well. there must be an error message |
| 10:25.19 | billy | Vasistha: it's *SO* good to see you. I'm upgrading to etch now. |
| 10:25.23 | piztek | no, it's just the highest i can set it isn't the highest it goes |
| 10:25.33 | Vasistha | pvf: we tend to be happier when ubuntu fanboys mind their own business, because we're much happier using debian ourselves than ubuntu. |
| 10:25.47 | vaq | rpc, really? - didn't knew there were so many rules on tea just hah.. Like a whole new book to read :P |
| 10:25.50 | Vasistha | billy: heh ... well, I won't be around too long, I'm really tired. |
| 10:26.06 | rpc | vaq i'm serious - gtea is more like a medicine than just a drink |
| 10:26.20 | billy | Vasistha: OK. let's get to editing the menu.lst. |
| 10:26.21 | pvf | Vasistha, that does not comply with the free spirit of the open source world |
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| 10:26.25 | rpc | vaq same as e.g. garlic is more than just a vegetable |
| 10:26.27 | pvf | i guess |
| 10:26.38 | piztek | wols_: what can I do? |
| 10:26.44 | wols_ | pvf: since you don't get it: read the fucking topic and fuck off |
| 10:26.57 | vaq | rpc, true about the garlic.... I use that alot too. What does gtea help for? |
| 10:27.06 | piztek | wols_: is there anything i can try besides dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:27.07 | wols_ | piztek: one possibility would be hand edid Xorg.conf |
| 10:27.09 | rpc | right, back to debian stuff - can i have a bridge built on eth0:1 ? or only the main interface would work? |
| 10:27.10 | Vasistha | pvf: I think it's really great that ubuntu is good for some people. But ubuntu has some problems that are not debian problems, so we can't help people with ubuntu problems, because we're not familiar with them. So ... could you just drop it? |
| 10:27.37 | wols_ | *edit |
| 10:27.38 | piztek | but 1600x1200 is checkec in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:27.42 | wols_ | of course it would be a dirty method |
| 10:27.49 | rpc | vaq gtea is great for your heart and it also gives you alot of hmm i'm missing the word, it has to do with natural defence of your body when you are ill or about to |
| 10:27.54 | wols_ | and the others are unchecked? |
| 10:27.58 | piztek | how else can I achieve his |
| 10:27.58 | pvf | i just asked about a configure script, isnt that transversal to all linux distros |
| 10:27.59 | piztek | yes |
| 10:28.07 | Vasistha | billy: yeah, probably what you want to do is ... find where it says "default saved" ... at least, I think it will probably say "default saved" and you'll want to just change that to a number, 0 or 1 or 2 or something, corresponding to the position of ubuntu on the menu. |
| 10:28.09 | wols_ | if so, what happens when you start X? is 1600x1200 in your Xorg.conf? have you looked? |
| 10:28.12 | pvf | wols_, now you're being unpleasant |
| 10:28.15 | piztek | i'll try it again |
| 10:28.16 | piztek | brb |
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| 10:28.21 | wols_ | pvf: and you are ignorant |
| 10:28.32 | vaq | rpc, sweet :) i most google on gtea then |
| 10:28.34 | rpc | make love, not war... |
| 10:28.39 | pvf | wols_, please enlighten me |
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| 10:29.01 | wols_ | read the topic. listen what I and others told you about your ubuntu problem |
| 10:29.02 | rpc | vaq do it, or better yet find a decent shop that sells pure green tea |
| 10:29.07 | iwks0 | hi all, anybody having problem with x after last sid update? (ati card) |
| 10:29.09 | wols_ | if, IF, you run debian we're happy to help you. if not: please go away |
| 10:29.32 | wols_ | iwks0: a bit more input will be needed |
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| 10:29.39 | iwks0 | wols_: ok |
| 10:29.50 | pvf | i guess you guys can't stand the success of ubuntu |
| 10:29.55 | pvf | that's sad |
| 10:29.55 | rpc | vaq the other rule is: when wols gets mad just drop it :) |
| 10:29.59 | lesshaste | I just installed the thunderbird lightning extension but... err... where is it? I mean I can't see how to start it ?? |
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| 10:30.07 | iwks0 | AIGLX error: dlsym for _driCreateNewScreen |
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| 10:30.19 | iwks0 | fglrx_dri.so undefined symbol |
| 10:30.23 | wols_ | no. we can't stand the people who come from #ubuntu cause they don't know anything there |
| 10:30.33 | iwks0 | no matching device section for instance busid 1:0:1 |
| 10:30.40 | iwks0 | and at the end of log.. |
| 10:30.44 | simonrvn | pvf: move on, please. and stop with the "does not comply with the spirit of the open source woorld" stuff... the channel policy is that we deal with debian problems. not any other distro. other distros have their own channels, too. if you can't live with that, that's *your* problem. |
| 10:30.46 | rpc | pvf it's not a success... it's a very different story :) people install ubuntu and they think that they get a quality system, because it's "based on debian", which is wrong, it defaces debian in fact |
| 10:30.54 | iwks0 | could't open default cursor font 'cursor' |
| 10:31.07 | billy | Vasistha: below each kernel there is a line that reads "savedefault". Is this what you're indicating? |
| 10:31.13 | wols_ | sounds like a DRI problem. since I don#t run fglrx I don't know about it. if you changed kernels: you did recompile fglrx for the new kernel? |
| 10:31.14 | Vasistha | pvf: I think ubuntu's success is great, but its success does not obligate us to try to help people fix ubuntu problems. You may as well ask a ford mechanic to fix an audi. There may be some similarities, but there's all kind of stuff he won't know about. |
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| 10:31.19 | iwks0 | rpc, people are solving problems here, plese go and talk about your useless stuff somewhere |
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| 10:31.36 | simonrvn | pvf: asking a debian related question in a fedore or ubuntu channel is tantamount to trolling |
| 10:31.39 | pvf | rpc, now i'm interested, what exactly are the problems you talk about ? |
| 10:31.44 | Vasistha | billy: actually, no. Nearer that top, is a line tha starts with the word "default" |
| 10:31.46 | simonrvn | fedora* |
| 10:31.46 | rpc | iwks0 and who are you to tell me this? |
| 10:31.58 | iwks0 | sorr... |
| 10:32.00 | rpc | iwks0 i haven't seen you here before, you never help anyone |
| 10:32.03 | simonrvn | and same for here |
| 10:32.04 | iwks0 | rcp wasn't for you |
| 10:32.13 | rpc | iwks0 right ok :) |
| 10:32.14 | iwks0 | but similar nick |
| 10:32.22 | iwks0 | was for pvc or how fuck is that nick |
| 10:32.28 | iwks0 | talking about ubuntu |
| 10:32.51 | rpc | iwks0 ok sorry then... i was in fact shocked that you addressed something like that my way :) |
| 10:33.03 | iwks0 | :) sorry that i wrong to write |
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| 10:33.19 | pvf | lamerz |
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| 10:33.29 | simonrvn | pvf: understood? |
| 10:33.47 | rpc | and really, people aren't solvinf problems here all the time... we just talk sometimes ;) |
| 10:33.48 | iwks0 | pvf: lamerz is a word that only lamerz uses |
| 10:34.00 | billy | VAsistha: OK. Under ## default num it reads default 0. Looks like I'll be changing it to 2 to default it to Ubuntu. |
| 10:34.05 | simonrvn | (obviously not, now we resort to 'insults') |
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| 10:34.15 | iwks0 | rpc: yes, but i have a problem with X now |
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| 10:34.32 | rpc | iwks0 and i have a problem with eth bridging |
| 10:34.33 | pvf | simonrvn, i did not insult anybody |
| 10:34.36 | teclo- | Hello, is there some way to have the contents of /etc/sysctl.conf to be applied without having to reboot ? |
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| 10:34.44 | Vasistha | pvf: look -- this is how it is: if you have a debian question, you are welcome to ask it here. But if you are using ubuntu, then we cannot help you; and we do not want to talk about ubuntu, or the differences or similarities between ubuntu and debian, or about open source ideals. |
| 10:34.57 | pvf | ok cool |
| 10:34.57 | pvf | sorry |
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| 10:35.12 | pvf | you guys are too sensitive |
| 10:35.16 | iwks0 | wols_: have you replied to me? |
| 10:35.22 | simonrvn | ignored |
| 10:35.24 | iwks0 | wols_: sorry, but too much chars:) |
| 10:35.26 | rpc | pvf why do you generalize? |
| 10:35.34 | wols_ | iwks0: no. |
| 10:35.38 | iwks0 | wols_: ok |
| 10:35.40 | simonrvn | !troll pvf |
| 10:35.42 | wols_ | waiting until that little soap opera finishes :) |
| 10:35.48 | iwks0 | wols_: ahah |
| 10:35.56 | rpc | pvf and please try to ask a php question in mysql or perl... you will see the reaction instantly :) |
| 10:36.01 | Vasistha | pvf: we just get a whole lot of people in here, using ubuntu, trying to get help from us -- and we can't help them, because their problems are not debian problems. So the tempers run short. |
| 10:36.03 | rpc | same here for non-debian |
| 10:36.05 | simonrvn | the soap is done for me |
| 10:36.16 | Vasistha | billy: yeah, probably so -- remember, the numbers start counting at 0. |
| 10:36.17 | billy | is the "vesa" driver for intel? |
| 10:36.30 | wols_ | !vesa |
| 10:36.30 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
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| 10:36.44 | wols_ | it's an unaccelerated last resort kinda driver |
| 10:36.51 | billy | Vasistha: right. There seem to be 2 Debians, taking up 0 and 1. The first Ubuntu would then be 2. |
| 10:36.52 | row | Do the offical mplayer packages handle more codecs than the debian-multimedia.org version or the other way around? |
| 10:37.14 | row | I am a bit confused by looks of it debian-multimedia.org has not got as good codec support, or am I mistaken? |
| 10:37.18 | wols_ | row: debian-multimedia has w32codecs, something debian itself can't have |
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| 10:37.27 | wols_ | so I'd say debian-multimedia handles more |
| 10:37.34 | Vasistha | billy: yeah, sounds good! |
| 10:37.45 | row | wols_: ah k |
| 10:37.51 | qwertz | Hi, does anybody know wich package provides "/etc/X11/X" didn't find it with apt-file? |
| 10:38.15 | wols_ | qwertz: is that file a symlink? |
| 10:38.17 | Vasistha | xserver - something-or-other |
| 10:38.25 | teclo- | qwertz: dpkg -S dude |
| 10:39.24 | qwertz | wols_, yes |
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| 10:39.52 | Ramattack | hi folks |
| 10:39.54 | qwertz | teclo-, doesn't find it either |
| 10:40.01 | Ramattack | does anybody know what this error means : pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x5 |
| 10:40.02 | Ramattack | Mar 7 16:44:18 correo002 kernel: shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _BBN fail=0x5 |
| 10:40.09 | wols_ | qwertz: then check the file it links to |
| 10:40.10 | Ramattack | on boot? |
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| 10:40.52 | iwks0 | wols_: do you have idea about what my problem could be with X? |
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| 10:41.20 | qwertz | wols_, thanks found it |
| 10:41.22 | mina_linux_Tux | i'm using debian sarge , i want to up grade the mysql to the newest version , must i upgrade to the testing edition or is there a way to upgrade the package only ? |
| 10:41.36 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: backports.org |
| 10:41.53 | Vasistha | erm, wait, even better, mina_linux_Tux: /msg dpkg backports |
| 10:42.03 | wols_ | dri can be tricky with fglrx from what I remember |
| 10:42.18 | rpc | do you guys happen to know if there are any free sip gateways that i could use for free calls with debian? |
| 10:42.28 | iwks0 | wols_: i can try to disable it now, and try with vesa... |
| 10:42.29 | wols_ | playing with its options is one possibility. another is to check if your opengl is still fglrx by ati or not |
| 10:42.30 | rpc | like in a given country |
| 10:42.34 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: must i upgrade to debian testing release |
| 10:42.43 | wols_ | iwks0: vesa will certainly never work with beryl |
| 10:42.55 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: no, that's the point of backports, it has up-to-date packages for "stable" |
| 10:43.00 | wols_ | !tell mina_linux_Tux about backports |
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| 10:43.01 | iwks0 | wols_: but i'm not using beryl..that's the problem and neither compiz |
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| 10:43.11 | iwks0 | wols_: donno why i get error about glx |
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| 10:43.19 | wols_ | but you do use aiglx obviously |
| 10:43.31 | iwks0 | wols_: i have nothing enabled in xorg for that |
| 10:43.33 | jenipapo | #flood |
| 10:43.34 | wols_ | so it's something sid now does by default |
| 10:43.44 | iwks0 | wols_: that's possible... |
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| 10:43.58 | wols_ | e.g. it enables aiglx for beryl support (which is in sid) and that breaks in your case |
| 10:44.01 | iwks0 | wols_: so i have to restore ati drivers..i think will work |
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| 10:44.10 | Vasistha | billy: anyway, I've really got to get to bed, hope debian works out well for you! |
| 10:44.12 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: it's ok, i got the idea regarding the packages , but about the system , is it better to upgrade to the testing one |
| 10:44.18 | iwks0 | wols_: yes, clear now |
| 10:44.26 | Ramattack | I get too another error on boot after loading initrd.img instead of saying Done... says atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program, like XFree86, |
| 10:44.26 | Ramattack | might be trying access hardware directly. |
| 10:44.28 | iwks0 | wols_: i need open drivers and will work |
| 10:44.35 | Ramattack | what could this mean? |
| 10:44.36 | billy | Vasistha: there'll be work involved. but it's cool. Get some sleep. |
| 10:44.44 | billy | Vasistha: thanks for all your help. |
| 10:44.47 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: well, hard to say. etch is frozen now, so I upgraded -- and I'm usually one to stay with a stable system. And I'm really happy with etch. |
| 10:44.55 | Vasistha | billy: you're welcome! |
| 10:45.00 | iwks0 | iwks0: aiglx never worked here with ati drivers |
| 10:45.13 | bony | i want to search for a pdf on the web, some thing similar to $find -name *.pdf on a local system. Is there a tool or command or a method with which i can search for a set of pdf's on the net? |
| 10:45.26 | jenipapo | Vasistha: for a server, do you think i can step to etch ? |
| 10:45.36 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: it really depends largely on your system. You should start by reading the etch upgrade guide |
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| 10:45.44 | Vasistha | jenipapo: I am definitely not the right person to ask ;-) |
| 10:45.50 | jenipapo | :) |
| 10:46.02 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: by upgrading the system , i must not loose the settings of my system isn't it ? |
| 10:46.05 | Vasistha | jenipapo: although I believe generally it's not advised to run anything but "stable" on critical machines. |
| 10:46.12 | wols_ | bony: we call it "google" |
| 10:46.27 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: etch upgrade guide ? |
| 10:46.36 | wols_ | !tell mina_linux_Tux about sarge->etch |
| 10:46.58 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: well... I mean, I lost a few minor things, but most of the settings were preserved. When there is a difference in config files, it'll pop up a warning and ask you to reconcile the difference yourself. |
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| 10:47.03 | bony | wols_, well you are right but i want to search from command prompt ;-) now don't say me $links google.com "<search term>" |
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| 10:47.29 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: my main challenge was the task of upgrading the kernel, and getting several finicky drivers working with the newer kernel. |
| 10:47.32 | bony | anyways what is digg for? |
| 10:47.40 | wols_ | bony: but it works. if you want someting else: use a perl or python script |
| 10:47.50 | wols_ | bony: for wanking |
| 10:47.55 | bony | and what is the package through with i could get this command? |
| 10:48.04 | wols_ | !tell bony about search |
| 10:48.21 | row | I want to make a Debian Live cd, but want to have some custom settings in /etc/modprobe.d/options how would I do that? |
| 10:48.25 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: and that;s what i'm talking about , i have some modules already injected to the current kernel version |
| 10:48.26 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: and I seem to recall that I had some sort of trouble, in the middle of the dist-upgrade the whole thing crashed. But all I had to do to restart it was issue another apt-get -f dist-upgrade and it picked itself up again and finished the job. |
| 10:48.54 | wols_ | !tell row about LiveCD |
| 10:48.57 | row | ah its not there by default, should just be able to put it include'ed thingy |
| 10:49.07 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: yeah ... I mean, one thing you can do is look around the web for people with similar devices running a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 10:49.19 | row | thanks wols_ |
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| 10:49.58 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: what kernel do you run? |
| 10:50.20 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: the sarge one |
| 10:50.32 | Ronin | mina_linux_Tux: and which one is that |
| 10:50.53 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: that's probably either 2.4.27 or 2.6.8, but we'd like to know which. uname -r |
| 10:50.58 | wols_ | cause some devices you might have to compile drivers for might now be supported by 2.6.18 by default |
| 10:51.11 | iwks0 | wols_: problem seems to be "could not open default cursor font "cursor" |
| 10:51.16 | iwks0 | wols_: neither vesa works.. |
| 10:51.31 | wols_ | you run sid, you know the rules :P |
| 10:51.36 | iwks0 | :P |
| 10:51.56 | Vasistha | isn't there some kind of console font selection tool? is this a console font issue? |
| 10:52.12 | wols_ | what issue? |
| 10:52.23 | iwks0 | it seems X can't find some fonts |
| 10:52.29 | iwks0 | cursor fonts? |
| 10:52.34 | Vasistha | oh, nope, it's an x issue, n/m |
| 10:52.47 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: 2.6.8 |
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| 10:54.52 | Vasistha | alright, g'night all |
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| 10:56.02 | iwks0 | ok , problem is with X cursors...they went somewhere..but donno why |
| 10:56.14 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: ...??? |
| 10:57.09 | iwks0 | when i try to istall artwiz-cursor i can't do it..cause /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc doesn't exist... |
| 10:57.26 | iwks0 | i guess X doesn't start for the same problem |
| 10:57.40 | iwks0 | maybe some symlink when away? |
| 10:57.47 | Ramattack | This is the error more worries me... it sais adter running initrd on boot atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program, like XFree86, might be trying access hardware directly. |
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| 10:58.28 | billy | Should a newly installed program automatically show up in the applications menu? (Sorry. I'm used to Ubuntu.) |
| 10:59.26 | yomm | How can I enable tab/autocomplete in the (gnome) terminal on Etch ? |
| 10:59.41 | Ramattack | what is isa0060/serio0? |
| 11:01.20 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 11:01.33 | Shisui | yomm, just run ./etc/bash_completion |
| 11:02.41 | billy | Hi anapivirtua. |
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| 11:06.03 | yomm | Shisui : Thank you ! |
| 11:06.17 | Shisui | :) |
| 11:07.17 | Zaggynl^Laptop | Hm, I just did an update/upgrade in Etch, and now xmms refuses to play sound because: soundcard isn't properly configured or in use |
| 11:07.24 | Zaggynl^Laptop | but aplay /dev/urandom works |
| 11:07.40 | Zaggynl^Laptop | fuser /dev/dsp or /lsof /dev/dsp turns up nothing |
| 11:08.25 | iwks0 | wols_: problems in fonts.. xfonts-base - when i remove it says that /lib/X11/fonts/misc doesn't exists.. |
| 11:08.31 | wols_ | oss is not configured Zaggynl^Laptop ? |
| 11:08.41 | wols_ | iwks0: reinstall it |
| 11:08.47 | iwks0 | wols_: i can't |
| 11:08.50 | Zaggynl^Laptop | xmms was configured to use alsa, which supports software mixing |
| 11:08.56 | iwks0 | wols_: always says that doesn't exist the dir |
| 11:08.59 | Zaggynl^Laptop | I don't want to touch oss anymore |
| 11:09.08 | wols_ | Zaggynl^Laptop: no it is not. /dev/dsp is OSS, NOT alsa |
| 11:09.09 | iwks0 | wols_: also when i create it, it removes |
| 11:09.18 | Zaggynl^Laptop | ?! |
| 11:09.22 | wols_ | why can't you? |
| 11:10.04 | iwks0 | wols_: so i can install it..but i have always such warning |
| 11:10.11 | Zaggynl^Laptop | which device does alsa use? |
| 11:10.22 | iwks0 | wols_: lib/X11/fonts/misc doesn't exist |
| 11:11.02 | wols_ | Zaggynl^Laptop: /dev/snd/something usually |
| 11:11.06 | Zaggynl^Laptop | okay |
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| 11:16.48 | christianp | hi all |
| 11:17.07 | christianp | does anyone know a UI version of nmap? |
| 11:17.46 | amphi | christianp: ISTR nmapfe |
| 11:18.04 | christianp | thanks |
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| 11:21.29 | retard | can i use bitlbee alone? |
| 11:22.20 | wols_ | define "alone" |
| 11:22.41 | retard | with out irssi/xchat and such clients... |
| 11:22.49 | wols_ | yes |
| 11:23.02 | wols_ | bitlebee is a IM client that then pretends to be a irc servre |
| 11:23.06 | iwks0 | how can i configure fontconfig? |
| 11:23.10 | wols_ | which you can connect to with any irc client |
| 11:23.21 | retard | ok....thanx |
| 11:23.27 | assasukasse | is there anyone using trayer? |
| 11:23.38 | wols_ | iwks0: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 11:23.41 | retard | thats what i thought...but on their website the said its a daemon...so i got confused |
| 11:23.44 | wols_ | !anyone use trayer |
| 11:23.44 | dpkg | No, no one uses trayer, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:23.47 | iwks0 | thanks.. |
| 11:23.53 | wols_ | retard: yes it is |
| 11:23.58 | retard | ok |
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| 11:24.13 | x_link | Why is not the lates nvidia drivers in Debian repo if I may ask? |
| 11:24.25 | x_link | Maybe you have alot of other things to do. |
| 11:24.53 | iwks0 | doesnt help.. |
| 11:25.01 | x_link | ok |
| 11:25.41 | iwks0 | i still get that warning.. |
| 11:26.11 | wols_ | afaik sid uses defome for font administration |
| 11:26.47 | iwks0 | wols_: i'll check it |
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| 11:26.53 | un1xer | Hi, every one :), Can sommeone point me to fool proof metod to install the latest fglrx drivers in Etch? |
| 11:27.19 | iwks0 | defome? is correct write? |
| 11:27.28 | wols_ | defoma. sorry |
| 11:28.00 | wols_ | un1xer: nothing is foolproof |
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| 11:28.20 | un1xer | yes, that is very true! :) |
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| 11:29.16 | un1xer | i have a ati x800xt pe card, i think its a good card but i'm so tempted to buy a Nvidia one! |
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| 11:33.01 | raf256 | hello, why the fuck, |
| 11:33.13 | raf256 | no wait.. I am not here to whine, today |
| 11:33.14 | lunitik | !fglrx |
| 11:33.14 | dpkg | fglrx is probably add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for sarge/stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 11:33.39 | billy | Hello everyone. Could some kind soul tell me what this error means, in general terms, and, perhaps, how to fix it. Couldn't stat source package list http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_etch_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 11:33.44 | raf256 | how to set this up: person A works via ssh, person B sees A's terminal |
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| 11:33.53 | xand | screen. |
| 11:34.00 | xand | but they'd need to be the same user |
| 11:34.06 | raf256 | billy: try apt-get update .. are there connection errors? |
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| 11:34.29 | raf256 | xand: ok, I can log into the sam user. What option to use with screen when staring it? and what to screen to "watch" mode |
| 11:34.45 | lunitik | un1xer: basically... install the fglrx-source or whatever package.... then 'm-a a-i fglrx-source' ... then install the fglrx-driver package, and use fglrx as the driver in xorg.conf |
| 11:34.54 | billy | raf256: thx for response. running `sudo apt-get update` is what delivers those errors, right at the end. |
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| 11:35.09 | raf256 | billy: arent there any warnings or error before |
| 11:35.21 | wols_ | !tell un1xer about fglrx |
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| 11:35.49 | lunitik | wols_: I already displayed that for him/her |
| 11:35.55 | raf256 | billy: I use follonwing sources.list line: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main |
| 11:36.11 | billy | raf256: oh yes. sorry. what follows is the first line that appears --> Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/etch/Release Unable to find expected entry contrib/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 11:36.21 | lunitik | wols_: seems to describe an overkill method for installing them |
| 11:36.40 | lunitik | wols_: and 'use module assistent' isn't very helpful |
| 11:36.43 | wols_ | lunitik: he wants it "foolproof" |
| 11:37.06 | lunitik | wols_: 'use module assistant' isn't foolproof ;) |
| 11:37.22 | xand | raf256: screen, then screen -x to look at the same one |
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| 11:37.39 | un1xer | Thanks guys! I was aiming at the latest ones from the ati site, do you think its best to install the ones from the repos? |
| 11:37.45 | raf256 | xand: thanks |
| 11:37.49 | lunitik | un1xer: yes |
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| 11:38.06 | raf256 | xand: btw, can I "record" into some binary file, and then "play" it? |
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| 11:38.11 | wols_ | fglrx is anything but :P |
| 11:38.14 | lunitik | un1xer: feel free to use ATI's though, just ask in #ati _not_ here if you run into problems there |
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| 11:38.37 | billy | raf256: thank you. i changed my sources.list to read the "testing" instead of etch and did apt-get update. Still returning --> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 11:38.51 | michelmichel | hi there all - looking for some help installing php on etch and also automounting problem of usb external drive - anyone here free at the moment? |
| 11:39.02 | lunitik | un1xer: what was described to you is the debian way... it'll make things much easier for you in the long run |
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| 11:39.05 | wols_ | !tell michelmichel about ask |
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| 11:41.13 | michelmichel | ok i have a problem with automounting external usb hard disk on etch (headless server with etch base installed plus file and printer sharing and webmin) - after every reboot i need to do 'mount -a' which i would like to ba automated |
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| 11:41.56 | phet | hello |
| 11:42.06 | phet | is there argouml in aptitude? |
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| 11:42.44 | wols_ | !tell phet about search |
| 11:43.15 | wols_ | #what is the entry for your usb device in fstab? |
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| 11:43.45 | un1xer | lunitik: I understand, but performance wise, is ther any thing to gain with the latest? |
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| 11:47.09 | lunitik | un1xer: I can't really comment... but last time I had an ATI card, it was fine |
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| 11:48.18 | un1xer | lunitik: thanks, i'm defnetly very tempted to byu a nvidia card! |
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| 11:49.09 | phet | what software do you use for uml? |
| 11:49.10 | lunitik | un1xer: their drivers are certainly better supported last I checked.... I went out and got a computer with Intel graphics though |
| 11:49.20 | lunitik | phet: umbrella is nice |
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| 11:49.49 | lunitik | umbrello even |
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| 11:50.03 | phet | It's KDE, gonna give it a try |
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| 11:51.46 | un1xer | lunitik: exactly, i want to dump xp from my box and i think i would be better off with the nvidia drivers |
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| 11:56.38 | michelmichel | '/dev/disk/by-id/usb-HDT72252_5DLAT80_00304479-part1 /media/PHILIPS1 vfat user,auto,rw,umask=0000 0 0' |
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| 11:58.08 | michelmichel | the problem i think is that in the booting process mounting fstab comes before usb hardware recognition |
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| 11:59.59 | supervillain | Hello, is apt-proxy secure? |
| 12:00.22 | supervillain | I mean, can I trust an apt-proxy server? |
| 12:00.27 | raf256 | how the fuck can I turn off the retarded mother fucking console freaking bell |
| 12:01.05 | pitillo | raf256, removing the pcspeaker module for example.... |
| 12:01.11 | raf256 | since /etc/inputrc doesnt work |
| 12:01.12 | pitillo | xD |
| 12:01.18 | raf256 | pitillo: how to remove this moterf***? |
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| 12:01.23 | raf256 | rmmod ? |
| 12:01.28 | sep | !bell |
| 12:01.28 | dpkg | hmm... bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 12:01.29 | wols_ | !tell raf256 about bell |
| 12:01.54 | sep | shell beep |
| 12:01.54 | spo0nman | is there an option in diff that tell me the number of lines changed between files? |
| 12:01.57 | sep | !shell beep |
| 12:01.58 | dpkg | from memory, shell beep is man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style none) - also man setterm. |
| 12:02.07 | un1xer | raf256: is there a need for such language? :( |
| 12:02.39 | raf256 | sep: It didnt worked surprisingly |
| 12:02.41 | raf256 | well let me recheck |
| 12:04.01 | sep | if you are in X i guess xset b off is more the thing. |
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| 12:06.30 | StyXman | hi all. does anybody know why k3b warns me that «Could not find file <path with non-ascii chars>»? the non-ascii chars are encoded in utf-8. |
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| 12:14.09 | tarzeau | wols_: like what? |
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| 12:17.04 | xand | StyXman: i guess it doesn't support non-ascii? |
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| 12:19.23 | assasukasse | my gksudo shades my screen when pops up, i want it to be instead a normal floating window, how can i set it? |
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| 12:21.18 | xjkx | is opera opensource? |
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| 12:21.58 | streuner | bo |
| 12:22.00 | assasukasse | xjkx: no |
| 12:22.03 | streuner | no |
| 12:22.09 | xjkx | :/ |
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| 12:22.24 | xjkx | assasukasse, no projects up to be opensource? :> |
| 12:22.42 | streuner | !opera |
| 12:22.42 | dpkg | methinks opera is a commercial web browser for Linux/Windows and other OSes. Version 9.0 is the latest stable version and debs are available at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html or damn nice browser, especially under the hood. add "deb http://deb.opera.com/opera sarge non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, substitute sarge with your favorite Debian release. |
| 12:22.43 | assasukasse | xjkx: for what i know no |
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| 12:23.12 | streuner | Don't use this! |
| 12:23.39 | streuner | if you didn't pay for the software it make lots of connections up... |
| 12:23.42 | StyXman | xand: so which is the best way to burn a data dvd with utf-encoded filenames? |
| 12:24.48 | xand | I dont know about the best way, but if it was me I wouldn't use them |
| 12:24.51 | xjkx | streuner, you mean the pop ups? :> |
| 12:25.12 | xand | StyXman: that was just as to the reason, I dont know much about doing that |
| 12:25.28 | StyXman | xand: ok |
| 12:26.10 | assasukasse | xjkx: opera makes alot of connections for each one u make..surveys maybe, information collection, who knows |
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| 12:27.40 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 12:27.43 | assasukasse | is there anyone that uses gksudo? |
| 12:28.05 | Ramattack | what does mean Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0? |
| 12:28.21 | un1xer | I do use gksudo! |
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| 12:28.54 | assasukasse | un1xer: does it shade your screen when it pops up? |
| 12:29.03 | streuner | dpkg, no opera is <reply> Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (=>Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. |
| 12:29.03 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 12:29.21 | un1xer | yes it does! |
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| 12:31.21 | assasukasse | unlxer: same here, i want to stop it from doing that.. |
| 12:31.23 | PupUser2c276c | hello room |
| 12:31.36 | assasukasse | hi PupUser2c276c are u on puppylinux? |
| 12:31.44 | PupUser2c276c | yessssssssss |
| 12:31.44 | streuner | !room |
| 12:31.45 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 12:32.07 | jm|work | iceweasel went blue ... |
| 12:32.09 | assasukasse | PupUser2c276c: which version |
| 12:32.10 | PupUser2c276c | is that like unit or module |
| 12:32.35 | PupUser2c276c | puppy ce , its the 400mb mega distro |
| 12:33.08 | PupUser2c276c | tons of nice themes and it uses debian packages |
| 12:33.34 | streuner | !tell PupUser2c276c about enter |
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| 12:33.49 | assasukasse | PupUser2c276c: nice i am still on pup 2.11 since on my old lap only that works.. |
| 12:34.33 | PupUser2c276c | i use the live cd , xp is my main cpu, and i keep all the setting saved on the hd, works great. |
| 12:34.46 | PupUser2c276c | not cpu but os |
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| 12:35.00 | streuner | puppylinux is OT here, just join the channel there |
| 12:35.03 | PupUser2c276c | 2.15 ce alpha |
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| 12:35.37 | PupUser2c276c | puppy's room on here is borring |
| 12:35.59 | pngwn | PupUser2c276c, your off topic stuff is boring in here |
| 12:36.25 | PupUser2c276c | so whats the topic? |
| 12:36.37 | pngwn | PupUser2c276c, debian ? |
| 12:36.40 | streuner | PupUser2c276c: /topic |
| 12:36.55 | asg | streuner: he was doing this shit on Sunday |
| 12:37.04 | streuner | asg: i know :-) |
| 12:37.15 | asg | then someone should fucking kick it |
| 12:37.15 | streuner | asg: since serveral days ;-) |
| 12:37.16 | Ramattack | has nobody experimented this kind of kernel errors please? |
| 12:37.19 | PupUser2c276c | me too:-$ |
| 12:37.39 | streuner | asg: we still had hope ;-) |
| 12:39.34 | sep | should i be able to clone a burned dvd with dd ? |
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| 12:39.56 | streuner | Ramattack: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 12:39.58 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:40.34 | sep | i run something like dd if=/dev/hda of=dvd-image.iso ; 4+0 records in ; 4+0 records out ;2048 bytes (2.0 kB) copied, 4.42473 seconds, 0.5 kB/s. the cd have >1GB on it so that's obviously not correct |
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| 12:40.38 | wols_ | Ramattack: how often does it happen? |
| 12:41.43 | Ramattack | one moment let's see.... |
| 12:42.29 | Ramattack | One moment gonna enter for another machine to copypaste |
| 12:42.29 | hark | b |
| 12:42.31 | Ramattack | one moment please |
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| 12:43.37 | Ramattack | here I returned |
| 12:43.55 | Ramattack | it says the next |
| 12:44.02 | Ramattack | Linux version 2.6.8-3-686 (pbuilder@dl360-g3) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Dec 5 21:26:38 UTC 2006 |
| 12:44.29 | Ramattack | how often ? I'd say four times more or less while it boots |
| 12:44.42 | Ramattack | first time while loading initrd on ramdisk |
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| 12:45.54 | billy | sleep is for sissies. |
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| 12:46.03 | streuner | http://kerneltrap.org/node/5898 |
| 12:46.27 | Ramattack | when the server is online along for example 2 months without stopping you could some error on messages saying something similar to... Feb 26 00:41:55 correo002 kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 00(60) |
| 12:47.07 | Ramattack | but only have seen two times this is one and another line similar saying same I think but 60(60) |
| 12:47.15 | streuner | Ramattack: did you ever use a backport? |
| 12:47.27 | streuner | Ramattack: that's x86, isn't it? |
| 12:47.36 | Ramattack | it's a PIV yes |
| 12:47.50 | Ramattack | what's exactly a backport¿ sorry for my english |
| 12:48.20 | streuner | what's a PIV? |
| 12:48.25 | Ramattack | backport are testing packages? |
| 12:48.31 | streuner | !backports |
| 12:48.31 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
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| 12:49.47 | Ramattack | streuner I'd say not... I only use stable repository softwae |
| 12:49.53 | Ramattack | or packages... |
| 12:50.26 | streuner | well, i would trust 'nobse' |
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| 12:50.47 | streuner | he's DD as well |
| 12:50.48 | Ramattack | streuner have seen that web thanks... |
| 12:51.02 | streuner | they have newer kernels in there repos |
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| 12:52.31 | Ramattack | that's for me? |
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| 12:52.39 | streuner | sure |
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| 12:52.53 | Ramattack | newers than 2.6.8-3-686?? |
| 12:52.58 | streuner | sure |
| 12:53.18 | streuner | vint-cerft: turn that off, please. |
| 12:53.34 | billy | Anyone else running K.Muto's custom installation? |
| 12:54.27 | StyXman | billy: I had used it a couple of times, yes |
| 12:54.49 | billy | StyXman: ever have problems with the x-server not initiating the composite extension? |
| 12:55.01 | PupUser2c276c | <------- is back, ready to answer any windows related questions in the room. |
| 12:55.23 | billy | PupUser2c276c: how can I run Vista in a virtual machine? |
| 12:55.28 | Ramattack | streuner? |
| 12:55.30 | streuner | !ops PupUser2c276c still trolling |
| 12:55.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: PupUser2c276c still trolling |
| 12:55.31 | StyXman | billy: hmm, no, I used mainly for rather new servers |
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| 12:56.55 | streuner | Ramattack: sure, http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 12:57.01 | streuner | thanks mentor |
| 12:57.16 | billy | StyXman: OK. It's just that I used K.Muto's custom installer and I'm having trouble getting the xserver to initiate the composite extension so that I can run beryl. The beryl guys told me they were "officially" out of ideas. |
| 12:57.20 | billy | or some such. |
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| 12:58.33 | Ramattack | so streuner the solution could be upgrading kernel? |
| 12:58.55 | streuner | Ramattack: no idea, but i would give it a try |
| 12:59.45 | Ramattack | ok there... |
| 13:00.12 | Ramattack | thanks a lot folks |
| 13:00.15 | Ramattack | bye!!! |
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| 13:06.11 | T0wner | oh my word this channel is busy |
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| 13:07.07 | niru | hello all |
| 13:07.11 | wols_ | billy: the libcoomposite is installed |
| 13:07.14 | wols_ | ? |
| 13:07.22 | niru | I connected HP Laserjet printer 1320 to my debian system |
| 13:07.30 | niru | It shows printing 1 job |
| 13:07.36 | niru | but it is not printing |
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| 13:08.34 | billy | hi wols_. thx for response. for some reason, it composite was enabled upon reboot. |
| 13:08.38 | billy | maybe it'll stick. |
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| 13:09.51 | step_quasar | Hi, I need the package asterisk-1.4 for debian, exists? somebody knows where to obtain it ? |
| 13:09.59 | zamaliphe | i rely wish to run my web came under linux ? |
| 13:10.12 | streuner | find a driver |
| 13:10.33 | zamaliphe | E: Couldn't find package spca5xx-modules-2.6.18-4-686 ?? |
| 13:12.01 | raf256 | what the fuck |
| 13:12.05 | raf256 | youtube works for you? |
| 13:12.07 | streuner | !listkeys spca5xx |
| 13:12.08 | raf256 | Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Get the latest flash player |
| 13:12.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'spca5xx' by key returned no results. |
| 13:12.22 | streuner | zamaliphe: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 13:12.37 | rubyrobot | Hi all. How can I remove a package it "apt-get remove package" won't work? |
| 13:12.48 | raf256 | is thre flash 9 for debian? |
| 13:12.50 | asg | rubyrobot: in what way does it not work? |
| 13:13.02 | zamaliphe | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:13.07 | rubyrobot | the package is nginx in testing |
| 13:13.39 | rubyrobot | asg: apt-get reports errors an stops |
| 13:13.40 | step_quasar | Hi, I need the package asterisk-1.4 for debian, exists ? somebody knows where to obtain it ? |
| 13:13.53 | asg | rubyrobot: paste the errors in a pastebin please |
| 13:13.56 | lesshaste | I just installed the lightning extension but... err... where is it? I mean I can't see how to start it ?? http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4088/screencx7.png seems to show it greyed out. Any ideas? |
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| 13:14.31 | streuner | zamaliphe: is that testing or unstable? |
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| 13:15.03 | rubyrobot | asg: i pasted the errors in channel #pastebin, if that's what you mean? |
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| 13:15.33 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 13:15.39 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 13:15.43 | asg | rubyrobot: I meant something like http://pastebin.ca |
| 13:15.52 | zamaliphe | streuner: testing |
| 13:15.56 | Fox | lesshaste: did you restart icedove ? |
| 13:15.58 | niru | can anybody tell why its not printing |
| 13:16.24 | rubyrobot | asg: ok, sorry, done that: http://pastebin.ca/387543 |
| 13:16.24 | streuner | zamaliphe: what does pdo say about? |
| 13:16.47 | zamaliphe | streuner: bash: pdo: command not found |
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| 13:17.12 | zamaliphe | streuner: E: Couldn't find package pdo !!! |
| 13:17.24 | asg | rubyrobot: it failed because invoke-rc.d nginx stop failed in the pre-removal script |
| 13:17.37 | streuner | zamaliphe: spca5xx-source |
| 13:17.48 | streuner | zamaliphe: http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/spca5xx-source |
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| 13:17.58 | asg | rubyrobot: you can either start nginx so invoke-rc.d succeeds or hack /var/lib/dpkg/info/nginx.prerm to return a 0 on failure |
| 13:18.38 | zamaliphe | streuner: i have install it but how to compill it as kernel modules ? |
| 13:18.51 | rubyrobot | asg: tried starting nginx by hand, that didn't help. I will try your second hint |
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| 13:19.03 | streuner | zamaliphe: read /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 13:19.33 | streuner | zamaliphe: usr/share/doc/spca5xx-source/README.Debian |
| 13:19.37 | asg | rubyrobot: a simple 'exit 0' at the top of the script will do it, though you'll need to look to see if you need to do any cleanup manually |
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| 13:20.15 | lesshaste | Fox, thunderbird?.. yes I restarted it |
| 13:21.38 | rubyrobot | asg: cool, that worked. thanks for your help! |
| 13:21.44 | asg | rubyrobot: you're welcome |
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| 13:22.53 | zamaliphe | streuner: ok thanks |
| 13:22.57 | trym|work | if I change my locale to utf8.. wha twill that affect? |
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| 13:27.55 | pmjdebruijn | hi |
| 13:28.22 | pmjdebruijn | I have a HP management utility, which requires libstdc++-libc6-2.2.so.3 |
| 13:28.29 | pmjdebruijn | I have libstdc++6 installed |
| 13:28.38 | pmjdebruijn | creating a symbol also doesn't help |
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| 13:29.25 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 13:29.28 | raf256 | !flash9 |
| 13:29.28 | dpkg | from memory, flash9 is Currently, flashplugin-nonfree in experimental installs the beta of Macromedia's Flash plugin for linux, originally found at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html, or if you are having problems with flash9 and no sound, it uses ALSA! This means you will need to install alsa-base and have a 2.6 kernel with ALSA sound drivers loaded! |
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| 13:29.48 | solemnwarning | Why doesn't debian's dhclient send the systems hostname when it sends a DHCPREQUEST packet? |
| 13:29.52 | mbuf | which mirror should i use to install mplayer on debian etch ? |
| 13:29.54 | raf256 | FINALLY flash uses alsa, god bless |
| 13:30.07 | solemnwarning | raf256: heh |
| 13:30.17 | mbuf | mirror.home-dn.net is giving me dependancy errors for mplayer, but was able to install w32codecs |
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| 13:32.58 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 13:33.07 | mentor | solemnwarning: It isn't configured to? |
| 13:33.52 | solemnwarning | Should I set 'send host-name' in dhclient.conf to my machines hostname so the DHCP server gets my hostname? |
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| 13:35.08 | billy | how can I get all of the icons off of my desktop? |
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| 13:40.04 | bhundven | does anyone know how to change the resolution of the gdmflexiserver that is xnested? i.e. gdmflexiserver --xnest |
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| 13:41.49 | deck | hi guys |
| 13:41.58 | deck | and probably girls |
| 13:42.06 | deck | i've got one question |
| 13:42.36 | deck | i'm running debian on ASUS latop M6742RU |
| 13:42.45 | bzed | !anyone |
| 13:42.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:42.59 | deck | it's 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 13:43.23 | deck | i'm trying to switch to 32bit depth on X11 |
| 13:43.30 | deck | is it possible? |
| 13:43.38 | petemc | !drxx deck |
| 13:43.39 | dpkg | deck: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 13:44.07 | deck | i've edited conf file by hand |
| 13:44.09 | bzed | deck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth#32-bit_color |
| 13:44.30 | asg | deck: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 13:45.12 | deck | ok, but i read on some debian forums that XF 4 can't use 32 bit depth |
| 13:45.16 | deck | is it true? |
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| 13:46.11 | asg | deck: maybe on some cards. It worked at 32bit on this i945G |
| 13:46.27 | bzed | deck: you don;t need 32bit. 24 is jsut fine |
| 13:46.28 | deck | I have ATI 9100 mobile |
| 13:46.37 | deck | I already installed ATI driver |
| 13:46.50 | deck | i run 1280x800 resolution |
| 13:47.20 | apk | deck: Did you use fglrx-driver or ATI's installer? |
| 13:47.28 | deck | fglrx |
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| 13:48.08 | VXWorks | which one is better, sarge or etch? |
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| 13:48.18 | simonrvn | !better |
| 13:48.18 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 13:48.33 | deck | when i changed DepthColor in X11 config I couldn't start X |
| 13:48.46 | deck | I changed it to 32 and X didnt start |
| 13:48.53 | deck | only 24 seems to be fine |
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| 13:49.08 | deck | i badly need 32 bit depth |
| 13:49.43 | VXWorks | !sarge |
| 13:49.43 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 13:50.51 | simonrvn | you can't put 32 there, it's 24, and it really does 32 bit depth |
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| 13:50.52 | VXWorks | !etch |
| 13:50.52 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 13:50.52 | asg | simonrvn: 32-24-32? :) |
| 13:50.56 | asg | VXWorks: you can /msg the bot also |
| 13:51.03 | VXWorks | does sarge support SATA ? |
| 13:51.06 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:51.14 | simonrvn | heh |
| 13:51.36 | VXWorks | asg, ok, sorry |
| 13:52.01 | RvGaTe | I keep forgetting the command for doing a portscan... can anyone refresh my mind? |
| 13:52.07 | asg | RvGaTe: nmap |
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| 13:52.44 | deck | simonrvn: what do you mean by 7? |
| 13:52.49 | Janos | how can i know if a package version is available on the mirror i'm using, e.g. i have aptitude-4.0 installed but on the mirror i have selected only aptitude-3.5 is available, is there any way to find this kind of packaged ? |
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| 13:53.01 | asg | Janos: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 13:53.02 | simonrvn | that was a paste from xdpyinfo |
| 13:53.13 | simonrvn | there's 7 supported depths |
| 13:53.20 | deck | ok |
| 13:53.34 | deck | it looks like it's not supported on my machine |
| 13:53.53 | simonrvn | xdpyinfo | grep depth |
| 13:54.01 | deck | ok - hold on |
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| 13:54.49 | deck | simonrvn: I got the same output as yours |
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| 13:55.02 | billy | what would cause me to be missing the "on top" option when I right-click the border of a window? |
| 13:55.59 | VXWorks | debian 3.1 is called "sarge" ?? |
| 13:55.59 | asg | a selfish girlfriend? |
| 13:55.59 | asg | VXWorks: yes |
| 13:55.59 | maxamillion | billy: what desktop environment? |
| 13:56.00 | billy | maxamillion: thx for response. GNOME |
| 13:56.19 | VXWorks | asg, ok... I'm trying to install it, but it does not find my SATA |
| 13:56.34 | maxamillion | billy: hmmm... i'm not entirely sure, i run xfce and there is just a place in the settings manager to edit that in xfce ... sorry i wasn't of more help :. |
| 13:56.43 | RvGaTe | asg: thx |
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| 13:56.53 | asg | VXWorks: well, is this for a production server or just personal use? If the latter, you might go with etch since it should be stable relatively soon. |
| 13:57.07 | maxamillion | VXWorks: are you running "linux26" at install to make it use the 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:57.26 | billy | maxamillion: thanks for helping, though. :) |
| 13:57.40 | VXWorks | maxamillion, yes, im running linux26 |
| 13:57.40 | maxamillion | billy: anytime :) |
| 13:57.51 | maxamillion | VXWorks: interesting .... |
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| 13:59.17 | rgsteele | Ah, friday! |
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| 13:59.51 | rgsteele | maxamillion: Did you grab the stock kernel, or is it hand-rolled? |
| 14:00.02 | rgsteele | bah, s/maxamillion/VXWorks/ |
| 14:00.07 | maxamillion | rgsteele: not me ... ----> VXWorks |
| 14:00.10 | maxamillion | :) |
| 14:00.16 | rgsteele | Yeah, slip of the fingers :) |
| 14:00.25 | maxamillion | rgsteele: no worries :) |
| 14:00.40 | VXWorks | ok, I wanna install sarge.. what should I do?? |
| 14:00.42 | maxamillion | VXWorks: apparently others have had this problem and it seems to be a setting in the CMOS/BIOS |
| 14:00.55 | VXWorks | hummm |
| 14:01.03 | asg | VXWorks: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 14:01.03 | maxamillion | VXWorks: http://www.ozzu.com/ftopic52802.html |
| 14:01.04 | rgsteele | VXWorks: What's the issue? |
| 14:01.30 | VXWorks | rgsteele: im trying to install sarge on SATA but it does not work out |
| 14:01.55 | VXWorks | It says there is no midia particion |
| 14:02.19 | abrotman | asg: there's a 2.6.20 now |
| 14:02.35 | asg | abrotman: neat |
| 14:02.41 | abrotman | rad! |
| 14:02.56 | rgsteele | VXWorks: You're sure the BIOS seeing the hard drive, right? |
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| 14:03.28 | asg | !sarge 2.6.18 is also <reply> ask me about sarge 2.6.20 |
| 14:03.28 | dpkg | asg: that's too long |
| 14:04.11 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 14:04.11 | rgsteele | dpkg: That's what she said (rimshot) |
| 14:04.11 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 14:05.40 | Inflicted | VXWorksL: download the debian ISO image from here: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 14:06.00 | Inflicted | VXWorks: ive used it for my SATA drives, works perfectly! |
| 14:06.21 | sludge | sata raid1 here |
| 14:06.41 | sludge | etch now though |
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| 14:07.18 | VXWorks | rgsteele, I guess so cause windows XP is running prefectly |
| 14:07.23 | maxamillion | etch is effing sweert |
| 14:07.26 | maxamillion | sweet* |
| 14:07.58 | VXWorks | Inflicted, I'm gonna check it out right now |
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| 14:08.21 | rgsteele | I think "Windows XP running perfectly" is an oxymoron. Nontheless, check out what Inflicted said. |
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| 14:08.44 | CrippsFX | I need a way to lock my screen while I'm away ... I liked xlock, but it's not available. does anyone know of an alternative that's just as simple to use? |
| 14:09.16 | rgsteele | CrippsFX: Using the command line or a desktop environment like Gnome/KDE? |
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| 14:09.18 | h3sp4wn | CrippsFX: Running etch ? |
| 14:09.18 | Inflicted | CrippsFX: can't u just unplug the keyboard and mouse and hide them?? |
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| 14:09.39 | andihit | hi |
| 14:09.40 | CrippsFX | h3sp4wn, yep |
| 14:09.49 | CrippsFX | rgsteele, DE |
| 14:09.58 | CrippsFX | rgsteele, iceWM actually :P |
| 14:10.05 | h3sp4wn | CrippsFX: If you want it then it wasn't removed from sid (so you can /msg dpkg simple sid backport - will work flawlessly) |
| 14:10.13 | VXWorks | ok, thanks for helping me |
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| 14:10.19 | andihit | how can i change the pc name in the console? (that after the @ in the console) |
| 14:10.24 | Inflicted | VXWorks: download this ISO image - http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.20/sarge-custom-0304.iso (it's the latest one) |
| 14:10.25 | CrippsFX | h3sp4wn, ahh. excellent. thanks. |
| 14:10.25 | h3sp4wn | CrippsFX: The reason why it got removed from etch is fixed |
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| 14:10.32 | CrippsFX | h3sp4wn, sweet. |
| 14:10.42 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 14:10.42 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 14:11.30 | andihit | ah, i editet the /etc/hostname, and nothing changes (i don't have rebootet) - thx |
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| 14:14.16 | pvf | oi oi , are there any guidelines for writing those AUTHORS, BUGS, etc files that come in source package ? |
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| 14:14.57 | VXWorks | Inflicted, I'm downloading it right now |
| 14:15.07 | botmind | Hi. |
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| 14:15.37 | suppaman | hello |
| 14:16.10 | botmind | I am setting up a new server with apache and php. What is the way to run them in the way that it would be shown which script is executed when running ps command? |
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| 14:16.19 | Inflicted | VXWorks: awesome! |
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| 14:17.26 | sdive | Hi, I want to backup my debian home folder to a remote FTP. is it possible? |
| 14:17.45 | CrippsFX | h3sp4wn, it's in sid-backports you say? |
| 14:17.50 | botmind | I have tried suPHP, but it only shows which users have started php script, but does not show which script.. I have seen that it puts it into the log but its not convinient. Also suPHP does not support very important php_admin_value which I used for open_basedir restriction for every virtual host |
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| 14:18.49 | botmind | if to summirise, how to make ps command show which PHP script is running and also being able to set basedir restriction for every virtual host? |
| 14:19.35 | h3sp4wn | CrippsFX: You have to backport it from sid (package xlockmore) |
| 14:19.41 | abrotman | botmind: maybe ask #apache .. but i don't think you can |
| 14:19.43 | abrotman | or ##php |
| 14:19.47 | CrippsFX | ahh. |
| 14:19.48 | h3sp4wn | !info xlockmore sid |
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| 14:20.01 | dpkg | xlockmore: (Lock X11 display until password is entered.), section x11, is extra. Version: 1:5.22-1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 592 kB, Installed size: 1360 kB |
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| 14:20.15 | botmind | abrotman: thx.. why you think i cannot? :) |
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| 14:21.48 | suppaman | I'm trying to connect via ssh, I cannot get to have my public key used and I have to type in password |
| 14:22.15 | suppaman | assuming that I've the right key in authorized_servers on remote host |
| 14:22.32 | suppaman | I see this when using verbose "debug1: identity file $HOME/.ssh/ibook_rsa type -1" |
| 14:22.36 | suppaman | what does that -1 mean ? |
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| 14:23.08 | CrippsFX | h3sp4wn, ahh, thanks. reading what dpkg had to say a third time made it all really easy. |
| 14:25.07 | apk | suppaman: Do you have .ssh 700 and .ssh/ibook_rsa 600 or 400? |
| 14:26.34 | abrotman | botmind: it's an apache module |
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| 14:28.01 | botmind | abrotman: then where can i ask about this apache module? |
| 14:28.10 | abrotman | #apache or ##php |
| 14:28.29 | CrippsFX | h3sp4wn, works like a beauty. Thanks for the help :) |
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| 14:29.06 | h3sp4wn | CrippsFX: np |
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| 14:31.43 | Studiosus | hello to all! |
| 14:31.47 | phreqmod | cheers |
| 14:32.04 | Studiosus | my gnome-system-monitor doesn't show net traffic |
| 14:32.19 | Studiosus | any ideas - why? |
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| 14:33.11 | Neeesat25 | Hello |
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| 14:33.45 | Neeesat25 | Any chance of getting j2re1.4 with apt-get install? |
| 14:33.53 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 14:34.02 | abrotman | !install java |
| 14:34.02 | dpkg | hmm... install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 14:34.21 | stew | Neeesat25: no, /msg dpkg java-package |
| 14:35.12 | andihit | !install python |
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| 14:35.20 | stew | andihit: aptitude install python |
| 14:35.23 | andihit | i want the new 2.5-version ;) |
| 14:35.30 | andihit | in unstable there is 2.4 |
| 14:35.41 | stew | andihit: aptitude install python-2.5 |
| 14:35.44 | Studiosus | guys, so no idea why gnome-system-monitor shows no traffic? |
| 14:35.45 | stew | err |
| 14:35.47 | stew | andihit: aptitude install python2.5 |
| 14:35.54 | andihit | oh, thx |
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| 14:36.09 | suppaman | apk: what are those 700 600 and 400 ? |
| 14:36.17 | stew | andihit: its only in testing and unstable though, not stable |
| 14:36.26 | Studiosus | ver is 2.14.5-1, unstable branch |
| 14:36.44 | Neeesat25 | I was using apt-get install for j2re package in the past. This is not a free package? |
| 14:37.00 | stew | Neeesat25: sun java is not free yet. |
| 14:37.16 | stew | Neeesat25: if you installed sun java 1.4 via apt, you didn't get it from debian |
| 14:37.44 | andihit | thx - "The current production version is Python 2.5. You should start here if you want to learn Python or if you want the most stable version." (python.org) - why is it not in stable? |
| 14:37.50 | Neeesat25 | no I was using some links from else were which are not valid any more |
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| 14:38.43 | tenzing_ | !jigdo |
| 14:38.43 | dpkg | jigdo is probably *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 14:38.55 | fplus | how to make a .tar.gz file out of a directory? |
| 14:39.06 | stew | andihit: becuase stable was frozen over 2 years ago |
| 14:39.06 | tenzing_ | !tar |
| 14:39.06 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 14:39.27 | suppaman | tenzing_: is that funny ? |
| 14:39.44 | tenzing_ | suppaman: what is funny? |
| 14:39.56 | suppaman | sorry I didn't saw the fplus question |
| 14:40.02 | andihit | 2 years? is it so long? |
| 14:40.12 | tenzing_ | suppaman: :) |
| 14:40.20 | stew | andihit: no, but long enough that a python 2.5 package didn't exist at the time |
| 14:40.21 | suppaman | andihit: I think it's not that long for stability |
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| 14:40.54 | suppaman | do you know what was apk referring to with "<apk> suppaman: Do you have .ssh 700 and .ssh/ibook_rsa 600 or 400?" |
| 14:41.14 | tenzing_ | what is a template file when using jigdo to download debian isos? |
| 14:41.43 | phaedral | trying to pull down the sources.list recommened by dpkg, but fail the user/passwd prompt; please advise? |
| 14:41.50 | d3c | Hi guys. Would you recommend using "Backup Manager" for backing up files to an FTP server? |
| 14:41.52 | abrotman | tenzing_: it tells jigdo what to get |
| 14:41.55 | abrotman | !jigdo |
| 14:41.55 | dpkg | well, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 14:42.34 | tenzing_ | abrotman: is there any jigdo gui client in debian? |
| 14:42.44 | hatta | just use bittorrent |
| 14:42.49 | abrotman | not that i know of ... but i haven't used jigdo in years |
| 14:42.50 | hatta | jigdo is a huge pain in the ass |
| 14:43.03 | tenzing_ | ohh.. |
| 14:43.10 | abrotman | hatta: jigdo is good if you like to have a CD set and you don't want to keep getting new ISOs |
| 14:43.12 | stew | !info jigdo |
| 14:43.15 | dpkg | jigdo: (GTK+ download manager (beta version)), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.7.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 188 kB, Installed size: 390 kB |
| 14:43.16 | tenzing_ | yeah i think so .. even the template files are huge |
| 14:43.27 | asd | hi all, I have problems with the nfs-kernel-server. I always have to restart the server before I can mount. My guess it doesn't start at boot time. how can I test if the server is running? |
| 14:43.29 | stew | tenzing_: it gtk+ |
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| 14:44.10 | stew | asd: rpcinfo -p serverip |
| 14:44.55 | tenzing_ | i always seem to get "Connection closed at byte 992548. Retrying" sort of error whether i use http, ftp, or jigdo-lite to download debian iso |
| 14:45.19 | stew | tenzing_: try a different mirror |
| 14:45.54 | asd | stew: I get entries with nfs. showmount doesn't show me the entries of /etc/exports |
| 14:45.57 | tenzing_ | stew: ok .. one last question... does jigdo-lite use wget to get files?? |
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| 14:46.36 | suppaman | apk: now I see, you meant permission |
| 14:46.39 | suppaman | I'm a little slow |
| 14:46.42 | suppaman | lemme check |
| 14:47.10 | stew | tenzing_: curl i think |
| 14:47.11 | asd | stew: my entries are: /files/backup/ 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,insecure,async) |
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| 14:47.22 | suppaman | id_rsa is 600 (ibook_rsa in this case) |
| 14:47.31 | stew | asd: if you run "exportfs -ra" does that change anything? |
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| 14:47.37 | suppaman | and .pub are 644 |
| 14:47.52 | suppaman | is anyone using ssh public key authentication here ? |
| 14:47.58 | stew | suppaman: lots of people |
| 14:48.00 | billy | i'm attemting is issue a command beginning with "svn", but I get the error `command not found`. what am I missing? |
| 14:48.03 | stew | suppaman: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 14:48.15 | stew | suppaman: make sure the .ssh directory is 700 and owned by you |
| 14:48.36 | stew | billy: you are missing the subversion package |
| 14:48.40 | asd | stew: yes, now I can mount from the clients. Why is that??? |
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| 14:48.49 | billy | stew: thank you. I'll install it now. |
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| 14:49.02 | stew | asd: had you rebooted or restarted nfs since adding that entry to exports? |
| 14:49.06 | suppaman | stew: suppa$ ls -ld .ssh/ |
| 14:49.06 | suppaman | drwx------ 8 suppa suppa 272 Mar 9 15:15 .ssh/ |
| 14:49.15 | suppaman | I think that's correct |
| 14:49.16 | stew | suppaman: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 14:49.38 | asd | stew: yes we shutdown the server eyery day |
| 14:49.53 | suppaman | stew: I think I have to debug client :-) |
| 14:50.25 | stew | suppaman: then ssh -v |
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| 14:50.54 | stew | suppaman: how are you expecting ssh to find your key? is it in ssh-agent? |
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| 14:51.45 | suppaman | stew: ssh-agent ? I have it in .ssh/config |
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| 14:52.14 | stew | suppaman: make sure "ssh -v" says it is trying that key, then move on to debugging sshd |
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| 14:52.58 | stew | asd: does /etc/init.d/nfs-kerenl-server exist? |
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| 14:53.18 | stew | asd: does /etc/rc2.d/S20nfs-kernel-server exist? |
| 14:53.28 | asd | stew: yes it does. |
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| 14:54.03 | stew | asd: both? does /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server make it start working just as "exportfs -ra" did? |
| 14:54.11 | bahadunn | anyone know if etch installer has support for lsi logic mpt 1030 scsi host card? |
| 14:54.22 | bahadunn | its a fusion mpt scsihost device |
| 14:54.27 | bahadunn | I dont think etch has support for it |
| 14:54.34 | abrotman | is there support in the 2.6.18 kernel ? |
| 14:54.56 | bahadunn | yeah |
| 14:55.06 | bahadunn | um |
| 14:55.07 | bahadunn | wait |
| 14:55.22 | abrotman | dpkg: wait |
| 14:55.33 | asd | stew: /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart I always use to correct the problem. the thing is I back up with a cron job and I am not always in. So no backup at the moment. |
| 14:55.52 | stew | asd: /etc/rc2.d/S20nfs-kernel-server exist? |
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| 14:56.04 | bahadunn | abrotman: I am checking just to humor you |
| 14:56.21 | abrotman | humor me? |
| 14:56.22 | bahadunn | abrotman: I am pretty sure fusion devices have been in 2.6 for a long time though |
| 14:56.30 | bahadunn | abrotman: yeah |
| 14:56.30 | Tenkawa | hey anyone heard if the sqlite package maintainer is going to get with the times and get one of the closer to recent and more refined sqlite 3 releases in unstable? |
| 14:56.31 | abrotman | i doubt i'll find it funny :) |
| 14:56.42 | Tenkawa | 3.3.8 is eerily out of date |
| 14:56.43 | bahadunn | abrotman: hows PA |
| 14:56.47 | bahadunn | abrotman: hear its cold up there |
| 14:56.51 | stew | asd: update-rc.d nfs-kernel-server defaults |
| 14:56.52 | bahadunn | abrotman: thats got to suck |
| 14:57.17 | bahadunn | :-P |
| 14:57.20 | jelly | Tenkawa: have you tried providing the necessary patches in your bug report? |
| 14:57.24 | Tenkawa | bahadunn: can't speak for PA but here in Ohio to the west its still friggin gold |
| 14:57.26 | Tenkawa | er cold |
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| 14:57.42 | tdn | How do I disable the pcspeaker completely? I have tried sudo modprobe -r pcspkr, but it does not help. I am using headphones and it is really loud when the pc speaker beeps in them. I get a shock each time. |
| 14:57.48 | Tenkawa | jelly: old versions of software qualify as something bug report worthy? |
| 14:57.49 | bahadunn | Tenkawa: its hot here |
| 14:57.54 | nomasteryoda|w | gold! thars gold in them thar hills!!! |
| 14:57.56 | jelly | Tenkawa: yes |
| 14:58.02 | Tenkawa | jelly: interesting |
| 14:58.03 | asd | stew: it says that startup link already exist |
| 14:58.17 | jelly | Tenkawa: more so if there are feature changes |
| 14:58.23 | stew | asd: what does "/sbin/runlevel" say? |
| 14:58.53 | asd | stew: N 2 |
| 14:58.58 | suppaman | stew: at least mine seems to be a common problem for OS X clients, I tought it was dued to my deb server |
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| 14:59.53 | phreqmod | tdn, weird, generally rmmod'ing it works perfectly... does it still berep without the headphoes? |
| 14:59.56 | stew | asd: odd, is there some indication that other scripts in /etc/rc2.d are being skipped? |
| 15:00.04 | phreqmod | s/berep/beep/ |
| 15:00.18 | tdn | phreqmod, yes. |
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| 15:00.55 | asd | can I somehow log this or in which log can I read if the server started |
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| 15:01.30 | phreqmod | tdn, and the pcspkr module is really disabled, i.e. it does appear is lsmod? |
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| 15:01.44 | phreqmod | does *not* appear, correction |
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| 15:02.17 | tdn | phreqmod, lsmod |grep pcspkr gives nothing. |
| 15:02.24 | bahadunn | abrotman: yes 2.6.18 supports the device |
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| 15:02.33 | abrotman | bahadunn: then soundsl ike it sohuld work |
| 15:02.47 | abrotman | bahadunn: it's cold .. yes |
| 15:02.55 | abrotman | bahadunn: getting warmer! |
| 15:03.00 | phreqmod | tdn, that is very strange... as a workaround you can edit /etc/inputrc to remove the "bell with tab completion" stuff |
| 15:03.56 | asd | stew: thx a lot for your help. A cronjob with "exportfs -ra" should obviosly solve the problem. Soon I want to install debian 4. This hopefully will fix the problem |
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| 15:04.15 | tdn | phreqmod, yeah. But I would like to be able to do this when I need it and other times I need to hear the pc speaker beep. So it would be nice to be able to switch it on/off. |
| 15:04.57 | phreqmod | tdn, right... I'm out of ideas though... as you mentioned normally the pcspkr module is the thing to fiddle with... |
| 15:05.22 | nescius | /usr/share/kernel-package/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. |
| 15:05.26 | tdn | phreqmod, yeah. I thought so too. |
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| 15:06.42 | phreqmod | tdn, check out softbeep though... |
| 15:06.44 | Pardon | hi all |
| 15:06.58 | tdn | phreqmod, what is that? |
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| 15:07.00 | phreqmod | tdn, since it's userland it might give some form of configuration options... |
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| 15:07.25 | phreqmod | tdn, well, just found out about it, apt-cache show softbeep |
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| 15:07.39 | tdn | phreqmod, ok. Thanks. Trying. |
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| 15:08.02 | phreqmod | tdn, redirect beeps to sound card apparently, could come handy. Never used it in my life, so can't really say if it will even work |
| 15:08.09 | tdn | Ok. |
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| 15:08.33 | rdz | hello. how can i only download a package without installing it? is that possible with apt-get? |
| 15:08.58 | rdz | i found the option -d (donwload only), but cannot figure out, how to effectively use it |
| 15:09.10 | stew | rdz: apt-get -d install packagename |
| 15:09.21 | stew | rdz: it will download the package to /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 15:10.42 | rdz | stew, but then apt want me to be root and it want to download all dependencies |
| 15:10.49 | rdz | can i avoid that? |
| 15:11.04 | rdz | i really just like to download one single packages |
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| 15:11.26 | rdz | *package |
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| 15:14.56 | ndee | hello there, when I do a netstat -plunt, I get alot of connections from natcrawlbloc01.n.XXX |
| 15:15.02 | ndee | anybody knows what kinda spider that is? |
| 15:15.59 | phreqmod | rdz, try debget |
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| 15:18.41 | suppaman | bye |
| 15:18.45 | phaedral | hola; dpkg seems to think abcde is "the best" but also mentions getting it from potato; is there anything else as easy to use? |
| 15:19.13 | asg | phaedral: abcde is also in sarge and etch |
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| 15:20.44 | phreqmod | ripit is nice |
| 15:20.56 | phaedral | asg, thx; I've got it and have used it a fair bit, but it's acting odd and when I started poking around to troubleshoot I began to think there might be something a little more current |
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| 15:22.38 | jeward | I pinned two packages to testing yesterday, but now the server wants to install 278 packages. Did I pin wrong? |
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| 15:24.11 | stew | rdz: grab it from http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 15:24.50 | qwertz | Hi, just installed a debian etch with kdebase but the font kde is using is quite ugly (installed ttf-dejavu xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-encodings xfonts-scalable xfonts-utils) so is there a "nice" font for kde/firefox? |
| 15:24.54 | rdz | stew, thanks. i just dowloaded all files..... |
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| 15:25.46 | iwkse | i need to keep back open ati drivers and kernel module, can you tell me names of package to install? |
| 15:26.37 | wols_ | open ati drivers are radeon and ati |
| 15:26.47 | wols_ | they don't have a kernel module |
| 15:27.01 | iwkse | i see.. |
| 15:27.03 | wols_ | there is the closed source BLOB fglrx driver which has one |
| 15:27.15 | stew | wols_: there is a radeon kernel module |
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| 15:27.26 | wols_ | stew: for the framebuffer you mean? |
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| 15:27.29 | iwkse | so i should reinstall ati and radeon? |
| 15:27.34 | stew | wols_: no |
| 15:27.41 | wols_ | iwkse: what did you use before? |
| 15:27.47 | iwkse | wols_, fgrlx |
| 15:27.58 | wols_ | then reinstall it obviously |
| 15:28.08 | stew | wols_: /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko |
| 15:28.27 | iwkse | wols_, which package? xserver-xorg-drivers-ati? |
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| 15:28.51 | wols_ | iwkse: search for fglrx |
| 15:28.54 | pdbogen | Is there any PDF software that will let me add bookmarks to my PDFs? |
| 15:29.04 | iwkse | iwkse, ah, they still call fglrx? |
| 15:29.25 | iwkse | wols_, but in xorg i need ati in device, right? |
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| 15:30.16 | iwkse | xerver-xorg-video-ati.. |
| 15:30.25 | pdbogen | iwkse : That's not the same as fglrx. |
| 15:30.29 | wols_ | iwkse: no you don't. you need fglrx |
| 15:30.46 | stew | wols_: wait, why does he need fglrx? |
| 15:30.55 | wols_ | cause he said he ran it before |
| 15:31.00 | iwkse | no |
| 15:31.04 | stew | wols_: why does he need it now? |
| 15:31.06 | iwkse | i don't need again proprietary drives |
| 15:31.10 | wols_ | 16:27 < wols_> iwkse: what did you use before? 16:28 < iwkse> wols_, fgrlx |
| 15:31.11 | iwkse | i need open drivers |
| 15:31.24 | wols_ | ok, then it depends on the videochip you have |
| 15:31.28 | pdbogen | 32ATI are the open drivers. |
| 15:31.28 | stew | wols_: yes, he used that before, he's trying to get rid of it |
| 15:31.31 | pdbogen | *ATI |
| 15:31.35 | iwkse | 9800pro |
| 15:31.36 | pdbogen | But probably don't support hardware acceleration. |
| 15:31.45 | wols_ | radeon then |
| 15:31.59 | iwkse | problem is that xorg wont run more |
| 15:32.02 | iwkse | and you said time ago |
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| 15:32.21 | iwkse | that in sid they added standard support for AIGLX |
| 15:32.34 | iwkse | and that doesn't work with proprietary drivers |
| 15:32.37 | hark | you can turn that off |
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| 15:32.58 | iwkse | hark, i turn off by i still get X not running |
| 15:33.08 | iwkse | hark, if you mean turn off inside xorg.conf |
| 15:33.12 | hark | what error? |
| 15:33.14 | hark | yes |
| 15:33.19 | wols_ | it still wants that dri* fu8nction which it can't find? |
| 15:33.19 | stew | iwkse: i'm not sure your card will be accellerated with free drivers. |
| 15:33.29 | mne | hi, i would like to encrypt my usb-stick with something that also works under os x and windows. any suggestions ? (some encrypted container filesystem would be nice) |
| 15:33.32 | iwkse | wols_, sure |
| 15:34.06 | wols_ | mne: use gnupg |
| 15:34.15 | wols_ | but it's no filesystem |
| 15:34.16 | iwkse | output problems with AIGLX when i don't use it |
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| 15:34.34 | wols_ | iwkse: paste your complete output of xorg.log in a pastebin |
| 15:34.49 | kapowaz | Hi, I'm trying to install Apache 2.2 from sarge-backports onto a stable system |
| 15:34.50 | mne | wols_, gnupg can only encrypt single files. |
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| 15:35.05 | iwkse | wols_, i'll try without x..but isn't really easy |
| 15:35.15 | kapowaz | anyone got any advice or tips or "Oh god, don't do that!" comments? |
| 15:35.31 | wols_ | iwkse: http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 15:35.35 | netrat | kapowaz: just make backups incase you screw anything up |
| 15:35.42 | kapowaz | there is that, yes |
| 15:35.42 | stew | kapowaz: does backports even have apache2.2? |
| 15:35.52 | kapowaz | good question |
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| 15:36.02 | stew | kapowaz: last time i looked it didn't (a few days ago) |
| 15:36.06 | kapowaz | oh right |
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| 15:36.16 | kapowaz | etch is testing, right? |
| 15:36.20 | wols_ | kapowaz: how critical is that server? |
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| 15:36.35 | wols_ | kapowaz: yes. and it's currently frozen |
| 15:36.37 | kapowaz | wols_: sorta-maybe-kinda-critical-but-not-like-a-business-runs-on-it |
| 15:36.41 | petemc | i moved some production boxes from sarge to etch without too much hassle |
| 15:36.50 | wols_ | I'd look at etch then |
| 15:36.52 | billy | I know this question is going to sound really really trite, but I just worked up the nerve to ask it (took me all morning). How can i get cooler looking icons? Do they come in a "pack" or something? |
| 15:36.58 | kapowaz | can I do backports from etch? |
| 15:37.11 | stew | kapowaz: not very easily for apache 2.2 |
| 15:37.15 | kapowaz | bum |
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| 15:37.24 | wols_ | billy: kde-look.org, customize.org,etc |
| 15:37.37 | kapowaz | so other than reinstalling the system, what's the easiest way of getting Apache 2.2 on a Debian stable system? |
| 15:37.39 | wols_ | doubt debian has many icons since they'd need to be DFSG compliant. which is hard to get |
| 15:37.57 | wols_ | kapowaz: why reinstalling? you don't need to reinstall to go to etch |
| 15:37.58 | stew | kapowaz: installing it from source |
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| 15:38.06 | billy | wols_ : thanks. the icons I have now really are dorky looking. they gosta go. |
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| 15:38.35 | stew | kapowaz: well the easiest way to get apache2.2 onto stable is to wait for etch to become stable and upgrade to that |
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| 15:38.49 | kapowaz | wols_: etch being frozen means what, exactly? they're about to make it the current testing? |
| 15:38.51 | wols_ | kapowaz: any special reason you need apache 2.2? |
| 15:39.04 | asg | kapowaz: etch has been testing since sarge was released. |
| 15:39.06 | kapowaz | wols_: yeah, subversion+dav appears not to work properly with Apache 2.0 |
| 15:39.14 | stew | kapowaz: the only new packages going into etch right now are packages to fix RC bugs and security bugs |
| 15:39.16 | litage_ | i resized the partition on my Mac laptop down to 20gb, partitioned 80gb for Debian, and left 18gb at the end for a FAT32 partition. however, cfdisk says the last 18gb are "unusable". how can i create a FAT32 partition there? |
| 15:39.17 | wols_ | it means no new packages go into etch and all the ones that are in there are made bug free and work well together |
| 15:39.27 | stew | kapowaz: it will soon become stable (not testing, its testing right now) |
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| 15:39.32 | wols_ | wehn that is don (hopefully this spring), etch is released as new stable |
| 15:39.32 | kapowaz | ah right |
| 15:39.46 | kapowaz | so going to etch now is relatively safe ? |
| 15:39.47 | asg | hopefully before spring |
| 15:39.56 | kapowaz | spring is already here, dudes |
| 15:40.02 | kapowaz | unless march is winter for you |
| 15:40.06 | wols_ | asg: only 12 days for that |
| 15:40.07 | asg | it is |
| 15:40.12 | wols_ | I doubt they can do it that fast |
| 15:40.14 | maxamillion | kapowaz: etch was safe 2 years ago |
| 15:40.22 | asg | wols_: yeah, not looking good for a march release |
| 15:40.26 | abrotman | maxamillion: not for everyone |
| 15:40.29 | stew | maxamillion: huh? |
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| 15:40.39 | maxamillion | abrotman: fair enough |
| 15:40.42 | stew | maxamillion: etch was non-existant 2 years ago |
| 15:40.50 | maxamillion | stew: uhmmm... yeah it was |
| 15:40.50 | kapowaz | well, for apache 2.2, mysql, php5, subversion... how safe for that combination ? |
| 15:40.55 | stew | maxamillion: no. |
| 15:40.56 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 15:40.57 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 15:41.00 | abrotman | maxamillion: was it ? |
| 15:41.04 | maxamillion | abrotman: yeah |
| 15:41.05 | wols_ | maxamillion: that's a tautology. debian is never unstafe. but it is sometimes unstable and buggy, especially when it's not deemed "stable" |
| 15:41.06 | stew | maxamillion: no |
| 15:41.08 | abrotman | (i just was using testing as the example) |
| 15:41.16 | abrotman | maxamillion: etch couldn't have existed before sarge was released |
| 15:41.17 | vinboy | how do I resize ext4 partition? i mounted it with extends option |
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| 15:41.25 | kapowaz | man, go go semantics pedants! |
| 15:41.31 | stew | maxamillion: 2 years ago, woody was stable, sarge was testing, and etch didn't yet exist |
| 15:41.31 | kapowaz | anyway... |
| 15:41.37 | maxamillion | stew: no |
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| 15:41.40 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 15:41.40 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 15:41.42 | kapowaz | guys |
| 15:41.43 | maxamillion | abrotman: 3.1 != sarge |
| 15:41.48 | abrotman | really? |
| 15:41.48 | kapowaz | can you two go install gaybuntu and hug? |
| 15:41.50 | maxamillion | abrotman: 3.1 is sarge + 1 |
| 15:41.54 | abrotman | news to me |
| 15:41.54 | stew | maxamillion: no |
| 15:41.56 | asg | maxamillion: no |
| 15:41.57 | kapowaz | then after that we can help me? |
| 15:42.00 | abrotman | maxamillion: you're VERY confused |
| 15:42.00 | stew | !release history |
| 15:42.00 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 15:42.12 | maxamillion | wtf? |
| 15:42.24 | wols_ | kapowaz: install etch. to make sure you can install it on a desktop first if you insist |
| 15:42.31 | wols_ | but chances are, it will just work(tm) |
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| 15:42.32 | maxamillion | no no ... i swear i have a release image of 3.0 as sarge |
| 15:42.34 | abrotman | !tell kapowaz about gay |
| 15:42.37 | kapowaz | wols_: not entirely practical |
| 15:42.39 | stew | maxamillion: you don't |
| 15:42.40 | wols_ | maxamillion: BS |
| 15:42.54 | kapowaz | very good, abrotman |
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| 15:43.12 | kapowaz | abrotman: Gaybuntu is not about segregation, str8, bi & gay are all welcome here- just leave your attitude at the door! |
| 15:43.16 | maxamillion | .... hmmm, well i have a Bo release image :) |
| 15:43.24 | maxamillion | apparently i got my number garbled, my fault |
| 15:43.25 | wols_ | kapowaz: stop it |
| 15:43.25 | stew | kapowaz: please keep it on-topic |
| 15:43.37 | kapowaz | is keeping it on topic arguing about release names/versions? |
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| 15:43.46 | abrotman | those are debian release names/versions |
| 15:43.47 | kapowaz | just trying to, you know, lighten the mood |
| 15:43.52 | zimnyx | Do you know some good samba browser? i tried many and most of it sucks |
| 15:44.04 | abrotman | linneighborhood or wathever it's called |
| 15:44.13 | wols_ | kapowaz: homophobism is not lightening the mood. no matter where you are |
| 15:44.17 | maxamillion | zimnyx: pyNeighborhood (linneighborhood gtk2+ port) |
| 15:44.20 | kapowaz | who's being homophobic? |
| 15:44.34 | maxamillion | kapowaz: what does any of that have to do with debian? |
| 15:44.38 | abrotman | it's not even sunday ... |
| 15:44.41 | maxamillion | lol |
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| 15:44.53 | kapowaz | maxamillion: well, Gaybuntu is a *real* Linux distro based on Ubuntu... |
| 15:44.58 | abrotman | kapowaz: STOP |
| 15:45.04 | kapowaz | stop *what* ? |
| 15:45.04 | stew | kapowaz: drop it. keep it on-topic |
| 15:45.14 | kapowaz | ahhh I get it! |
| 15:45.17 | maxamillion | stew, abrotman, asg, wols_: i did have my number mixed up ... my fault :( |
| 15:45.18 | kapowaz | it's because it's ubuntu! |
| 15:45.20 | kapowaz | and ubuntu is not debian! |
| 15:45.21 | stew | maxamillion: np |
| 15:45.23 | kapowaz | sorry, sorry |
| 15:45.38 | kapowaz | damn, to think I nearly ended up at the end of a debian zealot's sword. |
| 15:46.05 | kapowaz | anyhow; etch for apache 2.2, php 5, mysql, subversion... relatively stable? yes? |
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| 15:46.40 | maxamillion | kapowaz: yes |
| 15:46.49 | maxamillion | kapowaz: well .. wait, production server? |
| 15:46.55 | abrotman | kapowaz: there are no security patches for etch yet |
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| 15:47.37 | maxamillion | kapowaz: it is a production server i might recommend sarge, but to answer your question directly: yes, it is "relatively stable" |
| 15:48.05 | stew | abrotman: yes there are |
| 15:48.08 | sdive | when I try to upload a generated archive with backup-manager to a remote FTP host it says that the archives cannot be uploaded and that the remote host said that the archive on debian wasn't found on the remote FTP. what is going on? |
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| 15:48.17 | unsolo | anyone here using an areca controller on x86_64 ? |
| 15:48.19 | kapowaz | it is a production server, but not an especially critical one |
| 15:48.21 | stew | abrotman: check the last couple of DSAs, they included testing |
| 15:48.42 | kapowaz | for the limited number of services it'll be running, not having security patches might not be super-bad |
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| 15:48.51 | kapowaz | btw, is this channel logged anywhere? |
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| 15:49.09 | stew | kapowaz: etch is currently receiving security patches |
| 15:49.09 | abrotman | stew: oh finally ? |
| 15:49.13 | stew | abrotman: yeah |
| 15:49.31 | kapowaz | what are my primary gotchas as far as upgrading to etch are concerned? |
| 15:49.34 | maxamillion | stew: that's good news :) |
| 15:49.42 | abrotman | stew: i'm not seeing it ... |
| 15:49.51 | kapowaz | (and am I right in thinking I just update my /etc/apt/sources.list to point to etch sources, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade?) |
| 15:50.02 | abrotman | stew: oh .. just says "fixed in" but no link to the packages |
| 15:50.06 | stew | oh great, php4 didn't get fixed in testing |
| 15:50.12 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 15:50.16 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 15:50.16 | dpkg | from memory, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 15:50.55 | abrotman | stew: i'm not so sure they're getting fixed as much as the fix was already there ... |
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| 15:51.09 | jeward | I pinned two packages to testing yesterday, but now the server |
| 15:51.10 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.29 | stew | jeward: are you trying to mix stable with testing/unstable? |
| 15:51.43 | stew | jeward: it could be that the two packages you pin have a lot of dependencies that need to be brought in |
| 15:51.47 | jeward | stew: I just want the one package from testing on stable. |
| 15:52.03 | jeward | stew: shorewall and shorewall-doc? |
| 15:52.27 | stew | jeward: dont' mix stable and testing, /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:52.32 | jeward | stew: Maybe cron-apt doesn't respect the preferences file? |
| 15:52.42 | stew | !depends shorewall testing |
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| 15:52.49 | dpkg | shorewall: depends on iptables (>= 1.2.7a), iproute, debconf | debconf-2.0 |
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| 15:52.51 | jeward | stew: There's no shorewall-lite in backports. |
| 15:53.13 | stew | !info iptables sarge |
| 15:53.17 | dpkg | iptables: (Linux kernel 2.4+ iptables administration tools), section net, is important. Version: 1.2.11-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 372 kB, Installed size: 1240 kB |
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| 15:53.52 | maxamillion | !info firestarter |
| 15:53.59 | dpkg | firestarter: (gtk program for managing and observing your firewall), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-1.3 (sid), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 1476 kB |
| 15:54.00 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 15:54.23 | stew | jeward: "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" |
| 15:54.28 | dury | success in debian :) |
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| 15:54.47 | maxamillion | firestarter is for those of us too lazy to edit iptables |
| 15:54.53 | dury | installed in a old pc |
| 15:54.54 | maxamillion | dury: congrats |
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| 15:55.58 | dury | window manager -> fluxbox and blackbox |
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| 15:56.05 | jeward | maxamillion: I intend to use shorewall-lite to manage 200+ firewalls from one place. |
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| 15:56.29 | kapowaz | to confirm my earlier question: to upgrade to etch from sarge requires what process? just updating my /etc/apt/sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:56.49 | jeward | How long until testing becomes stable? |
| 15:57.09 | streuner | jeward: wir |
| 15:57.17 | stew | jeward: 75 or so more RC bugs |
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| 15:57.25 | maxamillion | jeward: ah ... interesting |
| 15:57.27 | jeward | streuner: When it's ready? |
| 15:57.34 | streuner | !wir |
| 15:57.34 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 15:57.50 | stew | kapowaz: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:57.56 | jeward | maxamillion: My problem being that shorewall-lite is from testing. |
| 15:58.31 | dury | my next challange is to setup the network card realtek 8139 but not as default dchp ip the other one |
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| 15:58.50 | maxamillion | jeward: that's fine, etch is (arguably) more stable than most other distros "stable" release .. its just not yet "debian stable" |
| 15:58.51 | stew | dury: man interfaces |
| 15:58.59 | DA_ | dury: thats a challenge? |
| 15:59.17 | iwkse | wols_, http://pastebin.ca/387703 |
| 15:59.21 | jeward | maxamillion: I know, but I don't think my boss will want to go from sagre to etch for one package. :-) |
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| 15:59.28 | dury | it's the first time I've installed debian |
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| 15:59.32 | iwkse | wols_, i'll upload also xorg.conf |
| 15:59.38 | stew | jeward: why not use a backport |
| 15:59.50 | maxamillion | jeward: ooooh, yeah ... probably not |
| 16:00.11 | dury | for me it is a challenge |
| 16:00.17 | jeward | stew: Backport doesn't have the shorewall-lite package,. |
| 16:00.27 | stew | jeward: why not backport it? |
| 16:00.47 | jeward | stew: I don't kno how? :-) |
| 16:00.53 | iwkse | wols_, that's xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/387706 |
| 16:01.04 | stew | jeward: did you "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" like i suggested? |
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| 16:01.18 | jeward | stew: I did, is that what backporting is? |
| 16:01.22 | dury | anyway ... is there a package to download that I can install the network card following a wizard? |
| 16:01.24 | iwkse | wols_, forgot to remove options in device.. |
| 16:01.30 | stew | jeward: yes |
| 16:01.32 | iwkse | wols_, but isn't that the problem |
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| 16:01.56 | jeward | stew: Okay, I can then put the resulting package in our repository and push them out? |
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| 16:02.04 | stew | jeward: yes |
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| 16:02.39 | dury | stew? |
| 16:02.47 | stew | dury: hi |
| 16:02.59 | abrotman | !tell vint-cerft about away |
| 16:03.01 | jeward | stew: Now is my test system hosed that wants to install the 278 packages? Or can I remove the testing line in sources? |
| 16:03.03 | abrotman | for the 10th time ... |
| 16:03.04 | hark | iwkse: did you play around with some cursor packages? |
| 16:03.18 | dury | stew: is there a package to download that I can install the network card following a wizard? |
| 16:03.25 | iwkse | hark, i installed artwiz-cursor last time |
| 16:03.27 | abrotman | Could someone running an AMD64 sarge box get an md5sum for me ? |
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| 16:03.30 | stew | dury: etherconf |
| 16:03.34 | hark | iwkse: sid? |
| 16:03.41 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 16:03.43 | iwkse | hark, possible... |
| 16:03.51 | maxamillion | jeward: did you install those 278 packages? |
| 16:03.58 | abrotman | stew: md5sum /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern |
| 16:03.58 | iwkse | i have etch/sid system |
| 16:03.58 | stew | jeward: remove the testing line, apt-get update, use aptitude to sort out the dependencies |
| 16:04.00 | jeward | maxamillion: Nope. |
| 16:04.08 | dury | stew: so... apt-get install etherconf |
| 16:04.22 | dury | stew: is that correct |
| 16:04.23 | jeward | stew: Will do, then I'll make the backport. |
| 16:04.25 | maxamillion | jeward: then you should be able to revert your sources.list back to how it was and do "aptitude update" and be back to normal |
| 16:04.26 | stew | dury: yes |
| 16:04.36 | jeward | maxamillion: Thanks! |
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| 16:04.40 | maxamillion | jeward: anytime :) |
| 16:04.41 | iwkse | hark, but do you think it's a cursor prob,? i see something about AIGLX |
| 16:04.47 | dury | stew: good I appreciate your help |
| 16:05.12 | stew | abrotman: hmm, the vpn doesn't want to come up |
| 16:05.13 | hark | that's not fatal normally, iirc |
| 16:05.23 | abrotman | stew: hrm .. okay |
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| 16:05.42 | abrotman | stew: i'm getting a segfault on a zdump -v on it .. but it appears to be reading the wrong file location |
| 16:05.56 | stew | abrotman: oh wait, i have another |
| 16:06.14 | hark | iwkse: update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme show any others? |
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| 16:07.00 | stew | abrotman: hah, libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 16:07.14 | abrotman | !dst change |
| 16:07.14 | dpkg | [dst change] Support for DST change in USA 2007 is provided by libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 in sarge and tzdata-2006p-1 in etch. 'zdump -v /etc/localtime|grep 2007' should show March 11 and Nov 4 (instead of April/October). If you've recently updated, restart any daemons relying on /etc/localtime or reboot. |
| 16:07.28 | abrotman | stew: that's correct isn't it ? |
| 16:07.32 | iwkse | hark, shows 5 themes |
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| 16:07.43 | stew | abrotman: no, mine is r1a |
| 16:08.03 | abrotman | stew: the box i'm looking at has the same one |
| 16:08.04 | iwkse | hark, i can try to select core.theme? |
| 16:08.23 | hark | iwkse: tias |
| 16:08.24 | stew | abrotman: 2.3.2.ds1-22 not 2.3.2.da1-22sarg5? |
| 16:08.36 | abrotman | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 16:08.55 | stew | abrotman: right, mine has the original libc6, not the patched. i'm fixing it now |
| 16:09.03 | abrotman | stew: you're a bad admin! |
| 16:09.20 | stew | abrotman: i'm good with other peoples servers, just not with the home fileserver apparantly :) |
| 16:09.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:09.40 | iwkse | hark, at least having another Xorg error output..i pastebin it. |
| 16:09.55 | stew | abrotman: believe me, if she had her way, nothing would get upgradded ever. she doesn't like change in her computing environment |
| 16:10.57 | stew | abrotman: 3cf0ccc7d6b240390188367933c9cd90 /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern |
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| 16:11.06 | iwkse | hark, http://pastebin.ca/387718 |
| 16:11.07 | abrotman | stew: zdump -v /etc/localtime .. what happens ? |
| 16:11.23 | stew | abrotman: segfault |
| 16:11.29 | abrotman | me too ... |
| 16:11.49 | asg | abrotman: on what version? |
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| 16:11.59 | stew | abrotman: rock paper scissors to see who runs reportbug? |
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| 16:12.21 | abrotman | asg: 62.34 |
| 16:12.21 | maxamillion | lol |
| 16:12.29 | abrotman | stew: i'm asking #debian-amd64 on oftc |
| 16:12.43 | asg | abrotman: oh, this is your amd64 issue |
| 16:12.49 | abrotman | asg: yeah |
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| 16:13.38 | iwkse | hark, listen me..on alternative now is selected the core.theme but cursor.theme as a + |
| 16:13.51 | iwkse | s/as/has |
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| 16:14.46 | elshaa | hi |
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| 16:15.35 | hark | iwkse: that's ok.. maybe try reinstalling xfonts-base |
| 16:15.49 | abrotman | stew: they're all sleeping .. are you doing a bug report ? |
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| 16:16.10 | stew | abrotman: sure |
| 16:16.22 | abrotman | stew: i wasn't implying you should .. just asking :0 |
| 16:16.35 | iwkse | hark, have you seen my xorg.conf? |
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| 16:21.01 | hark | iwkse: no, but purge artwiz-cursor and reinstall xfonts-base |
| 16:21.44 | iwkse | hark, ill try |
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| 16:30.26 | wols_ | I want to run X on a headless box without any videocard (xvfb), mouse or keyboard |
| 16:30.50 | wols_ | right now I get an error since it can't find a mouse. is there a "virtual mouse" like xvfb for videocards? |
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| 16:31.26 | hark | core devices error? |
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| 16:32.05 | wols_ | No core pointer, and later: failed to initialize core devices |
| 16:32.09 | wols_ | and then it stops |
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| 16:32.22 | kapowaz | okay, I just upgraded from sarge to etch |
| 16:32.40 | kapowaz | a few packages didn't upgrade though |
| 16:32.44 | hark | wols_: Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "1" in your ServerFlags section |
| 16:33.00 | hark | iwkse: well? |
| 16:33.02 | wols_ | thank you |
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| 16:33.14 | iwkse | hark, problem seems to be cursor.pcf.gz |
| 16:33.16 | kapowaz | I'll just paste the errors online... |
| 16:33.25 | stew | wols_: or insert mousedev, which will create /dev/input/mice |
| 16:33.28 | iwkse | hark, i have cursor.pcf.gz.artwiz |
| 16:33.40 | hark | iwkse: try a dpkg-divert --remove /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/cursor.pcf.gz |
| 16:33.47 | wols_ | stew: will I have a mousepointer under x11vnc then? |
| 16:33.59 | hark | iwkse: and reinstall xfonts-base again |
| 16:34.08 | stew | wols_: i'm not sure. probably? |
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| 16:34.17 | abrotman | stew: did you file it ? |
| 16:34.17 | wols_ | let's hope for the best then :) |
| 16:34.22 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 16:34.36 | kapowaz | can anybody give me some pointers as to what this mess means? http://www.kapowaz.net/upgrade.txt |
| 16:34.42 | abrotman | stew: on libc6 ? |
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| 16:34.52 | stew | abrotman: yes. couldn't get a meaningful backtrace however |
| 16:35.30 | iwkse | hark, thanks! finally works |
| 16:36.48 | kapowaz | anybody? |
| 16:36.48 | hark | iwkse: np, but you should really be careful about mixing testing and unstable.. |
| 16:37.08 | iwkse | hark, yes, i removed unstable |
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| 16:38.56 | iwkse | hark, i get X working but...it shows the busy cursor and wont show gdm login... |
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| 16:41.01 | mutante_ | i am trying to load a list of modules into apache2 that another software says it needs to run, i could find nearly all i needed in ./mods-available, like rewrite, proxy, proxy_http and mod_dav, the only one missing is mod_dav_svn |
| 16:41.25 | mutante_ | is it in anther package, like mod_perl was? |
| 16:41.45 | hark | iwkse: i have to go now, I'll be back in an hour or so.. check the gdm logs or use startx meanwhile.. |
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| 16:41.58 | hark | libapache2-svn |
| 16:42.05 | mutante_ | thank you hark |
| 16:42.07 | iwkse | hark, ok thanks |
| 16:42.11 | abrotman | stew: thanks |
| 16:42.16 | abrotman | stew: did you try a strace ? |
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| 16:42.49 | iwkse | hark, btw with startx the same.. |
| 16:42.50 | stew | abrotman: no, strace is rarely useful for segfaults, but i'll try now |
| 16:43.02 | kapowaz | anyone able to assist with this upgrading problem? |
| 16:43.03 | jelly | !info libapache-mod-dav sarge |
| 16:43.08 | dpkg | libapache-mod-dav: (A DAV module for Apache), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 78 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 16:43.19 | jelly | !info libapache-mod-svn sarge |
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| 16:43.25 | jelly | !info libapache2-mod-svn sarge |
| 16:43.29 | stew | kapowaz: if you have a question, just ask |
| 16:43.36 | kapowaz | stew: I already have, nobody replied |
| 16:43.41 | jelly | !info libapache2-svn etch |
| 16:43.44 | kapowaz | I upgraded from sarge to etch |
| 16:43.47 | dpkg | libapache2-svn: (Subversion server modules for Apache), section net, is optional. Version: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 129 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
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| 16:44.09 | kapowaz | pretty much the whole thing went smoothly, except for a few packages which won't configure |
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| 16:44.15 | kapowaz | error messages: http://www.kapowaz.net/upgrade.txt |
| 16:44.35 | stew | abrotman: it opens the file, reads it, closes it, segfaults |
| 16:44.52 | VImtermute | oy |
| 16:44.58 | kapowaz | it seems to be implying something about an error in the config of dovecot, but I'd not have a clue how to fix that... is that definitely a dovecot error? And would that stop it installing? |
| 16:45.06 | kapowaz | I'd have thought it'd let it install but just not run |
| 16:45.21 | solemnwarning | Is it possible to setup a RAID-1 mirror using the Linux software RAID implementation on a drive Debian is installed on? |
| 16:45.22 | stew | kapowaz: try "dpkg --configure -a" or "apt-get -f install" |
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| 16:45.39 | xand | solemnwarning: yes. |
| 16:45.44 | solemnwarning | ok |
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| 16:45.47 | kapowaz | stew: just outputs the same messages |
| 16:45.57 | xand | solemnwarning: the installer has an option for setting up software raid |
| 16:46.23 | stew | kapowaz: oh: Error: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 435: Unknown setting: userdb |
| 16:46.26 | Award | To add a second RAID1 array (in addition to an existing RAID1 array), mdadm --create is all that is required, correct? |
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| 16:46.47 | stew | kapowaz: fix that error, then try "dpkg --configure -a" or "apt-get -f install" |
| 16:46.54 | Award | (I mean proper usage of the create command, not create without params) :) |
| 16:46.58 | kapowaz | I've no idea how to fix that error... that config used to work :| |
| 16:47.10 | kapowaz | why would that stop it from installing, though? |
| 16:47.19 | stew | kapowaz: becuase part of installing it is starting it |
| 16:47.32 | san_ | . |
| 16:47.42 | san_ | . |
| 16:48.05 | iwkse | hark, ok fixed |
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| 16:48.17 | kapowaz | stew: I see. |
| 16:48.54 | mystic_jade | i'm sorry the question but why debian don`t let`s compile the xchat?! and i never can`t install xchat whith --prefix ... in debian and in others distros i can?! |
| 16:49.28 | valdyn | mystic_jade: are we supposed to guess the error? |
| 16:49.34 | mschiff | Is some AIDE pro around? |
| 16:49.49 | stew | !wayc mystic_jade |
| 16:49.49 | dpkg | mystic_jade: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 16:50.44 | xjih78 | hi |
| 16:50.57 | xjih78 | is ot possible for lilo to work with lvm? |
| 16:51.06 | mystic_jade | valdyn well ussually only let`s me install to root usr and now ... have perl problems ... when try to compile :| is strange is something i never can do whith debian :| |
| 16:51.07 | stew | xjih78: yes |
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| 16:51.40 | xjih78 | stew, thanks. how about grub? |
| 16:51.41 | mystic_jade | well and why not compile?! |
| 16:51.48 | valdyn | mystic_jade: we cant help you without the errors, stop asking |
| 16:52.09 | mystic_jade | i'm boring you?! is just a question ... |
| 16:52.28 | stew | xjih78: grub will work as long as /boot is not in lvm (with lilo you can put /boot in lvm) |
| 16:52.41 | valdyn | mystic_jade: understand please that no one can help you if you do not provide your error messagses 'perl error' is not useful information |
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| 16:52.56 | virtuald | anyone have /boot/ on a usb stick? |
| 16:53.03 | stew | mystic_jade: why not compile becuase "apt-get install xchat" is easier. especially judging by the fact that you don't seem to be able to compile it |
| 16:53.07 | xjih78 | ok. thanks a second time :) |
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| 16:53.13 | mystic_jade | i just think is strange because one of the resolutions for thisis get the dependences from xchat and only can from the debian source nathing more :\ |
| 16:53.37 | valdyn | funn |
| 16:53.41 | valdyn | funny |
| 16:53.46 | stew | mystic_jade: what? |
| 16:54.03 | mystic_jade | stew because i like to use new versions ... sometimes and sometimes the distors have old software ... |
| 16:54.15 | PupenoR | mystic_jade: then use backports. |
| 16:54.19 | PupenoR | mystic_jade: backports.org. |
| 16:54.19 | Ronin | ahh suffer from latest and greatest syndrom :) |
| 16:54.34 | PupenoR | mystic_jade: or another distro that is more liberal about what software to include and release more often. |
| 16:54.36 | mystic_jade | but they say to don`t use blackports to one use computer ... |
| 16:54.40 | mystic_jade | ins`t it? |
| 16:54.47 | stew | huh? |
| 16:54.52 | valdyn | mystic_jade: what's your native language? |
| 16:54.57 | PupenoR | mystic_jade: I think my english parser died. |
| 16:55.01 | dimir | have perl problems does probably mean you don't have some perl modules installed, this is most probably not an distro issue. |
| 16:55.02 | Ronin | mystic_jade: paardon? dont use backports on one comptuer? |
| 16:55.02 | stew | mystic_jade: what does "blackports to one use computer" mean? |
| 16:55.07 | VImtermute | L |
| 16:55.11 | VImtermute | M |
| 16:55.12 | mystic_jade | i don`t bealiver this is english problem .... |
| 16:55.13 | VImtermute | A |
| 16:55.13 | VImtermute | O |
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| 16:55.27 | stew | mystic_jade: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:55.35 | mystic_jade | o0 0o |
| 16:55.37 | PupenoR | !es |
| 16:55.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:56.03 | mystic_jade | well i'm just try to install one amd64 :| listen there are some problems and is more dificult :| |
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| 16:56.25 | abrotman | stew: the fucking bastard in -amd64 closed it |
| 16:56.30 | phreqmod | mystic_jade, are you from Portugal? |
| 16:56.31 | valdyn | mystic_jade: for the last time: give _us_ error messages, then we can give _you_ help, otherwise we cannot |
| 16:56.37 | stew | abrotman: my bugreport? |
| 16:56.38 | phreqmod | mystic_jade, if so I can help you in private |
| 16:56.40 | peterbus | Do anyone know which program can I use to convert ogg theora (output from gtk-recordmydesktop) to divx ? ffmpeg fails dishonorably. I'm running Debian Sid |
| 16:56.41 | abrotman | stew: yes |
| 16:56.56 | stew | uhh |
| 16:56.57 | abrotman | stew: his justification is that it is fixed in etch |
| 16:56.58 | mystic_jade | phreqmod yes i'm from portugal |
| 16:57.03 | abrotman | god damn idiot |
| 16:57.05 | Danamania | if I want to disable X from loading for a while after a reboot, without uninstalling it, which configs doi I edit? |
| 16:57.10 | phreqmod | right |
| 16:57.10 | stew | oh, that's fine, i'll reopen it then |
| 16:57.16 | asg | Danamania: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 16:57.21 | abrotman | stew: and he'll close it again |
| 16:57.27 | asg | bug tennis |
| 16:57.27 | mystic_jade | well i'm whith xchat and everything i just think strange nathing more ... just asking relax ... |
| 16:57.58 | phreqmod | mystic_jade, umm, can't message you due to registration thingie... join #debian-pt |
| 16:57.58 | stew | abrotman: oh, no, he didn't close it |
| 16:58.09 | abrotman | stew: it's marked done |
| 16:58.13 | stew | abrotman: (and i'm talking to goswin in #-devel about it) |
| 16:58.14 | mystic_jade | thanks :) |
| 16:58.27 | abrotman | stew: i'm sure he'll say nice things about me :) |
| 16:58.35 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 16:58.40 | asg | abrotman: cakebutt@ ? |
| 16:58.43 | jelly | abrotman: which # ? |
| 16:58.46 | pickcoder | abrotman: no one can say anything about you.. <g> |
| 16:58.58 | pickcoder | <insert>bad</insert> |
| 16:59.10 | abrotman | !dbugs 414164 |
| 16:59.14 | dpkg | DONE:#414164:N[libc6] libc6: zdump segfault on amd64; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:36:01 UTC |
| 16:59.19 | stew | abrotman: yeah |
| 16:59.28 | pickcoder | another segfault? |
| 16:59.51 | abrotman | stew: yeah he said nice things or yeah he closed it ? |
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| 17:00.06 | stew | abrotman: yeah, he closed it |
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| 17:00.13 | stew | abrotman: oh, but he did it with a version header, so that is correct |
| 17:00.23 | abrotman | stew: it's still god damn broken |
| 17:00.34 | kapowaz | guys, what's the mechanism for removing and purging a bunch of packages if they're interdependent? |
| 17:00.43 | Danamania | asg: ta |
| 17:00.47 | stew | kapowaz: aptitude purge packagename |
| 17:00.48 | asg | Danamania: you're welcome |
| 17:01.25 | stew | kapowaz: apt-get remove --purge aptitude |
| 17:01.33 | stew | kapowaz: err s/aptitude/packagename/ |
| 17:01.44 | asg | kapowaz: deborphan, debfoster and apt-get remove --purge |
| 17:01.58 | jelly | abrotman: well if, technically, sarge amd64 wasn't released, closing it without fixing it in stable would be acceptable? |
| 17:02.05 | abrotman | no |
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| 17:02.15 | kapowaz | okay, which ? |
| 17:02.19 | pickcoder | abrotman: which release is it broken on? Sarge? |
| 17:02.23 | abrotman | pickcoder: sarge |
| 17:02.37 | stew | jelly, abrotman: i think closing it with a version: psudoheader is correct |
| 17:02.40 | pickcoder | I don't have an amd64 box running it, so I can't look at it |
| 17:02.43 | abrotman | jelly: if that were the case .. they shouldn't have made an attempt at a release |
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| 17:03.06 | jelly | stew: ya but bugs like these ougt to be fixed in stable too I htink |
| 17:03.07 | abrotman | stew: i was just looking for an explaination .. all i got from him was "Either upgrade to etch or just use etch's libc6" |
| 17:03.22 | stew | jelly: its not RC, it won't be fixed in sarge |
| 17:03.25 | abrotman | which is utterly worthless |
| 17:03.29 | jelly | abrotman: was there an attempt? |
| 17:03.35 | abrotman | at explaining? none |
| 17:03.41 | jelly | at releasing :-) |
| 17:03.43 | abrotman | just "works in etch .. not a problem" |
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| 17:03.45 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:03.51 | abrotman | jelly: they didn't make it in time |
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| 17:04.12 | jelly | abrotman: I work around it by using i386 :-| |
| 17:04.17 | pickcoder | was it verified that the bug is in libc6 |
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| 17:04.17 | stew | abrotman: explaination for what? |
| 17:04.18 | PaSurf | looking at installing debian with LVM. Currently in a hardware raid. Are there performance issues or best practices for using LVM on say a mysql server or is that something better applied to other applications? |
| 17:04.44 | stew | pickcoder: yes. and it is verified that it has been fixed as well |
| 17:04.51 | pickcoder | ok |
| 17:04.54 | abrotman | it's fixed in etch .. not sarge |
| 17:04.56 | pickcoder | just not in Sarge |
| 17:05.10 | stew | yes |
| 17:05.18 | abrotman | which is a big kiss-off from any DD |
| 17:05.20 | jelly | stew: well, I guess the bug priority is the reporter's fault ;-) |
| 17:05.23 | abrotman | most any i suppose |
| 17:05.39 | stew | jelly: no, the reporter reported it with the correct priority |
| 17:06.31 | stew | abrotman: its fixed in etch, which is how it was marked as fixed, the bts is smart enough to know it isn't fixed in sarge, (which i'm verifying with mrvn now) |
| 17:06.53 | abrotman | stew: i was just looking for a "why" instead of "just upgrade .. it won't hurt" |
| 17:07.02 | jelly | stew: Hm, I see Severity: normal, which is, as you said, not RC. So everything looks fine |
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| 17:08.31 | suppaman | hi |
| 17:08.49 | stew | abrotman: why what though? |
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| 17:08.59 | stew | abrotman: and he did in fact close it wrong, and he's fixing it |
| 17:09.01 | abrotman | stew: why it no workie! |
| 17:09.11 | abrotman | and is there a possible workaround |
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| 17:09.24 | jelly | abrotman: would it make it more comforting if I told you one of our boxes still ran potato/woody, but an etch libc6? ;-) |
| 17:09.38 | abrotman | jelly: but you're from europe ... |
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| 17:11.26 | jdv79 | anyone know about "soft lockup detected on cpu..." messages:) |
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| 17:11.49 | detertj | I try to set up a bridge using the bridge-utils, and iptraf and tcpdump occasionally say that traffic is passing through the bridge, but a computer hooked up to the bridge can not send or receive traffic through it. Any ideas on why? |
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| 17:12.38 | justin | detertj: brctl showmacs ? |
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| 17:13.45 | drewcifer | hello debian |
| 17:13.47 | Fluten | I am using linux on a Compaq Armada laptop. Sometimes when I close the laptop/press the turn-off-screen button, linux freezes. what might be causing this? |
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| 17:14.04 | drewcifer | i used to have that problem fluten :) |
| 17:14.13 | drewcifer | now i have a thinkpad |
| 17:14.16 | jelly | Fluten: possibly, buggy ACPI BIOS |
| 17:14.29 | Fluten | ya, i am not too fond of compaqs |
| 17:14.40 | jelly | drewcifer: haha, I had an Armada and now have a Thinkpad too. |
| 17:14.46 | Fluten | its a nice machine, but compaq could have done a better job |
| 17:14.57 | Fluten | it sure is a lot better than the crap they are putting out now |
| 17:15.20 | drewcifer | weighed like 10 pounds |
| 17:15.28 | jelly | Fluten: Armadas were business models, had a 7800 (P2) and an E500 (P3/500) and they were both very decent |
| 17:15.31 | drewcifer | it was a solid machine tho |
| 17:15.49 | drewcifer | can anyone help me fix the packaging system on my debian install? |
| 17:15.53 | Fluten | i have an armada 110, its a 700mhz celeron |
| 17:15.58 | Fluten | and a 14.1 inch screen |
| 17:15.59 | drewcifer | it seems to think everything is broken... |
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| 17:16.30 | Fluten | are thinkpads any good? |
| 17:16.40 | stew | yes |
| 17:17.06 | kelsin | IBM does lots of work in linux so usually support on thinkpads is very good |
| 17:17.24 | wols_ | IBM doesn't do any thinkpads anymore |
| 17:17.30 | detertj | justin: the computer does show up in showmacs |
| 17:17.52 | Fluten | although ive had bad experience with a 333 celeron thinkpad - it just fell apart |
| 17:17.53 | zamuro | Nope... Lenovo does. |
| 17:17.57 | Fluten | it felt really flimsy |
| 17:18.06 | floe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.31 | justin | detertj: and it still doesn't work? |
| 17:18.35 | Fluten | anyone here used panasonic toughbooks? |
| 17:18.38 | detertj | yeah |
| 17:18.40 | sdive | backup-manager is failing when trying to upload a generated archice to a remote FTP. it says that it cannot be uploaded and that the remote host said that the archive on debian wasn't found on the remote FTP. what is going on? |
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| 17:19.54 | threw | hia all ! |
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| 17:20.00 | kintaro0e | hey guys..how to make a verbose console..what i mean is that when i try to ssh a server..then i can that another user is trying to do: sudo su myuser |
| 17:20.04 | fearoffish | afternoon |
| 17:20.14 | Fluten | drewcifer, what kind of thinkpad do you have? |
| 17:20.19 | detertj | justin: it shows that the computer is sending traffic, but isn't getting any back |
| 17:20.20 | floe | the trackpoint rocks and I wonder why thinkpads are the only laptops who have them (except some hps do too, I think) |
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| 17:20.48 | jelly | floe: patents? :-) |
| 17:20.48 | sdive | floe, Dell is using them too :) |
| 17:21.18 | floe | jelly: probably... een though it's a quite simple mechanism |
| 17:21.39 | jelly | floe: there has to be some reason to buy a 20-30% more expensive machine with a Thinkpad logo ;-) |
| 17:21.57 | sdive | jelly, quality of course |
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| 17:22.30 | jelly | floe: for me, good sturdy latches and the clit^H^H^H^Hnippl^H^H^H^H^Htrackpoint are two |
| 17:22.31 | floe | and much better than a touchpad even though in the beginning I thought the trackpoint sucks... but after a while you won't miss them |
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| 17:23.22 | stew | i really like having both a touchpad and trackpoint on the same machine |
| 17:23.25 | Fluten | the thing that really bugs me is the touchpads that have their texture worn off and are just smooth |
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| 17:23.30 | jelly | floe: and they have three mouse buttons! |
| 17:23.33 | Fluten | they are hard as hell to use |
| 17:23.38 | stew | Fluten: you can get replacements |
| 17:23.41 | floe | stew: you're right... |
| 17:23.55 | detertj | i've replaced both of the ethernet cards in the bridge |
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| 17:24.11 | detertj | and tried different cables |
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| 17:24.19 | drewcifer | stew: trackpoint is the greatest |
| 17:24.33 | Fluten | i like the windows keys actually |
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| 17:24.50 | Fluten | they make great deadkeys for typing in international characters |
| 17:25.26 | stew | jelly: (at least some of) the newest thinkpads have windows keys |
| 17:25.27 | kelsin | Fluten: I use them for windows management functions to not block any program keys |
| 17:25.53 | fearoffish | I have etch with the xen packages on an amd64, md raid system. It's working okay, but the domU's are running the same kernel. So the question is, my apt sources are currently linked to the amd64 repositories, how should I go about getting i386 xen sources to build a new domU kernel? |
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| 17:26.12 | drewcifer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.19 | solemnwarning | I've setup Debian with a RAID-1 mirror over 2 IDE drives |
| 17:26.25 | jelly | stew: mine has them too, but I think there's still an option for a US keyboard without them |
| 17:26.28 | Fluten | compaq paid no attention to their keyboard design on the armada... the function key is all the way to the left instead of the control key, an the backslash key is between the left alt and spacebar - its really annoying whenever i do alt-space |
| 17:26.30 | stew | drewcifer: "apt-get -f install"? |
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| 17:26.37 | floe | jelly: anyway I think thinkpads a really worked up well... I wonder why IBM sold them to lenovo |
| 17:26.46 | solemnwarning | If one of the drives fails and I put and unformatted drive in its place, will the mirror rebuild it automatically? |
| 17:26.54 | valdyn | floe: because they lost money on it |
| 17:27.02 | jelly | floe: it wasn't their core business <g> |
| 17:27.03 | wols_ | cause otherwise lenovo wouldn't have taken the turkey that is the IBM PC business |
| 17:27.05 | fearoffish | solemnwarning: not automatically, no |
| 17:27.19 | Fluten | are thinkpads that durable? like can they survive falls? |
| 17:27.26 | solemnwarning | How do I tell it to rebuild the mirror on the new drive? |
| 17:27.33 | fearoffish | solemnwarning: are you using lvm? |
| 17:27.36 | jackobo | i've a problem: when i access a site through its dns url ( http://aula-ee.info ) i can see it, but when i access it through its IP ( http://213.4.134.161 ) i get another completely different page! why? |
| 17:27.38 | solemnwarning | Software RAID |
| 17:27.42 | h3sp4wn | Fluten: Not compared to a panasonic toughbook (or an old sparcbook) |
| 17:27.42 | Fluten | i used a panasonic toughbook cf-71 for a while, and it could really take a beating |
| 17:27.43 | valdyn | Fluten: they're just quality laptops, they're not rugged |
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| 17:28.10 | Fluten | they pretty lightweight? |
| 17:28.26 | stew | Fluten: they at least have an accellerometer that tells it to park the hard drive heads before it hits the floor |
| 17:28.29 | floe | valdyn: Hmm, maybe they were just 20-30% to expensive compared to others :P ... and they would have sold more if they've been a little cheaper ;) |
| 17:28.30 | valdyn | Fluten: no, there's all kinds of thinkpads |
| 17:28.32 | jelly | Fluten: Haven't tried that, but the overall feeling was much better than a comparable HP model when I was buying (late 2005) |
| 17:28.33 | fearoffish | solemnwarning: mdadm? |
| 17:28.46 | solemnwarning | I think so |
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| 17:28.48 | valdyn | floe: they did sell alot |
| 17:28.50 | ab3l_ | hi, is it possible to resolve a usb's gamepad key to scan code ? |
| 17:28.57 | valdyn | floe: they'd just had to charge even more to be profitable |
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| 17:30.38 | detertj | any ideas about the bridge problem? |
| 17:30.41 | floe | valdyn: hm,...ok. Anyway... the trackpoint should be standard for all laptops! |
| 17:30.54 | valdyn | floe: yea |
| 17:30.59 | fearoffish | solemnwarning: you'd remove the faulty drive from the array (e.g. mdadm /dev/md0 -r /dev/hda1) then add one (e.g. mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/hda1) |
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| 17:31.18 | fearoffish | but either way, mdadm is the key |
| 17:31.28 | Fluten | i used a panasonic toughbook cf-48 yesterday for a while, and its durability was a joke |
| 17:31.41 | Fluten | it was on par with normal business laptops |
| 17:32.08 | bzed | Fluten: did you put it under water? |
| 17:32.25 | Fluten | no, havnt tried that |
| 17:32.42 | Fluten | i just took it apart, and it wasnt built very well compared to panasonic's other toughbooks |
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| 17:33.25 | Fluten | id consider my armada to be better built |
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| 17:36.23 | ab3l_ | hi, is it possible to resolve a usb's gamepad key to scan code ? |
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| 17:36.32 | tonyb2006 | probobly |
| 17:38.55 | jelly | Fluten: my Thinkpad is comparable to the previous vintage 2000 Armada E500 model I had. You can eg. lean on it without it making squeaky noises; the keyboard's good; the latches are solid metal, made to look and feel sturdy. |
| 17:40.00 | solemnwarning | If I write a file to a partition in my mdadm RAID-1 mirror will it be written to all disks at "the same time" or will it sync later, like the initial install does? |
| 17:40.07 | jelly | Fluten: uhh, s/latches/hinges/ |
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| 17:41.21 | fearoffish | solemnwarning: should be instant |
| 17:41.32 | solemnwarning | ok |
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| 17:42.06 | solemnwarning | So the data only being written to the first disk in the mirror only happens during install? |
| 17:42.06 | Glaciality | Hey guys |
| 17:42.45 | Glaciality | Any chance you could help me with a problem with a PS2 port of Debian, BlackRhino? I'm getting a kernel panic on boot, and I'm not quite sure why. Thanks. |
| 17:43.03 | Glaciality | It says it couldn't find an init or something |
| 17:43.11 | Glaciality | Only appears for a short time before it reboots. |
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| 17:44.04 | Fluten | the thing i really love about the toughbooks is that the whole case is a heatsink - it really cuts down on fan noise |
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| 17:44.52 | Ronin | Glaciality: ps2 port of debian? so you're not running debian, have you tried #blackrhino? |
| 17:45.07 | Glaciality | Yeah, nobody there |
| 17:45.14 | Glaciality | I'd assume it's practically the same |
| 17:45.28 | solemnwarning | It's not |
| 17:45.33 | Glaciality | Is for me :o |
| 17:45.44 | Glaciality | Oh right |
| 17:45.48 | solemnwarning | You have to change a lot to make Debian work on a PS2, it's a completly differant arch |
| 17:45.53 | Glaciality | Is the boot stuff not the same? |
| 17:45.58 | Glaciality | I'm getting a kernel panic on boot. |
| 17:46.04 | Ronin | Glaciality: how would we know? we dont run it |
| 17:46.04 | solemnwarning | And init being missing is your distro |
| 17:46.12 | Glaciality | Where should it be? |
| 17:46.34 | jelly | solemnwarning: aren't PS2 and PS3 basically a ppc? |
| 17:46.34 | stew | in /sbin |
| 17:46.37 | tonyb2006 | has anyone gotten debian working on the PS@? |
| 17:46.41 | tonyb2006 | PS2* |
| 17:46.45 | h3sp4wn | jelly: ps2 is mips |
| 17:46.51 | jelly | h3sp4wn: ok, thanks |
| 17:46.56 | Glaciality | Well, it's definitely there |
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| 17:47.04 | Glaciality | Where does it get called from? I mean what config file |
| 17:47.21 | stew | Glaciality: the kernel calls it |
| 17:47.34 | Glaciality | Can you think of a reason why it wouldn't find it? |
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| 17:47.56 | Glaciality | I've got a recovery partition set up with RedHat 6.2 for Linux on to fix things. |
| 17:48.01 | solemnwarning | jelly: Not really |
| 17:48.08 | solemnwarning | Lots of custom hardware |
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| 17:48.17 | Glaciality | Emotion Engine or whatever it is. |
| 17:48.19 | solemnwarning | It's got 2 CPUs |
| 17:48.34 | solemnwarning | A MIPS CPU and and Sony's Emotion engine |
| 17:48.47 | solemnwarning | Open up a dead PS2, pretty interesting whats in there :) |
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| 17:48.58 | Ronin | Glaciality: http://blackrhino.xrhino.com/main.php?page=howto |
| 17:49.07 | Glaciality | That's what I've been following |
| 17:49.20 | danilom | some groupware suite, easy to install in debian with share calendar |
| 17:49.25 | Glaciality | And I come to the bit where you reboot, and it's hit me with a kernel panic |
| 17:49.45 | Ronin | Glaciality: but like we said, its not debian so we dont know what theyve changed/modified/added |
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| 17:50.55 | Ronin | Glaciality: have you asked on thier forum and mailling list? |
| 17:50.56 | Glaciality | The seem pretty dead. |
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| 17:51.08 | Glaciality | I was thinking it would be some simple generic problem |
| 17:52.36 | Glaciality | How do I get a listing of what is mounted where? |
| 17:52.49 | wols_ | mount |
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| 17:53.01 | jelly | Glaciality: could be, something like you forgot to specify the initrd image or it wasn't created properly. ##linux is probably more appropriate place to ask though |
| 17:53.48 | Glaciality | Oh cod, I think I've worked it out |
| 17:53.58 | Glaciality | I think I forgot to mount a drive to brl under mnt |
| 17:54.03 | Glaciality | So it was all just going into a folder. |
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| 17:54.27 | dkr | did you just use the Fish's name in vain? |
| 17:54.30 | Glaciality | How do a delete a folder and all subfolders and files? |
| 17:54.45 | fearoffish | fish? |
| 17:54.48 | jelly | Glaciality: rm -r |
| 17:55.03 | dkr | fearoffish: <Glaciality> Oh cod, |
| 17:55.12 | jelly | Glaciality: man rm. sounds like you could use some of /msg dpkg grounding |
| 17:55.23 | fearoffish | I meant it as in...umm, fish, omg, where?! |
| 17:55.29 | Glaciality | I'm using this on a TV |
| 17:55.34 | stew | abrotman: now it shows up in: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=libc6&dist=stable |
| 17:55.35 | Glaciality | Reading output and man pages is damn hard |
| 17:55.36 | jelly | fearoffish: you mean omc? |
| 17:55.48 | fearoffish | please stop! argh! |
| 17:56.02 | dkr | a single word followed by a question mark has too many meanings to be useful in irc without tone of voice. :) |
| 17:56.11 | fearoffish | indeed, my apologies |
| 17:56.19 | fearoffish | it's even worse in text messages ;) |
| 17:56.30 | Glaciality | Why does it ask me to comfirm each one? Can I make it not do that? |
| 17:56.37 | stew | Glaciality: man rm |
| 17:56.53 | wols_ | Republic of Gamers |
| 17:56.55 | Glaciality | Very, very hard to read on a TV, but I can't see an option to do so. |
| 17:56.57 | jelly | Glaciality: there's a force argument. |
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| 17:57.18 | Glaciality | Ah right, didn't quite understand what that did |
| 17:57.28 | jelly | Glaciality: you need bigger fonts! :-) |
| 17:57.36 | phreqmod | Glaciality, -f . Optionally write \rm instead of rm, you are probably using the root alias of rm that specifies rm -i |
| 17:58.07 | jelly | phreqmod: I _hate_ distros that alias rm to rm -i. |
| 17:58.15 | andihit | when i want to log into ssh i can write the username, but than putty gets: "Server unexpectedly closed network connection" - what should i do? bevor i updated glibc (i installed python2.5 from testing in a stable system), and now it don't work anymore :/ |
| 17:59.03 | jelly | andihit: can you log in at the console? |
| 17:59.03 | stew | andihit: finish upgrading to testing first |
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| 17:59.09 | andihit | no, that's the problem. it's a vserver |
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| 17:59.20 | stew | andihit: what version of openssh-server is installed? |
| 17:59.26 | jelly | andihit: do you have an already established session? |
| 17:59.58 | andihit | i've no idea what version is installed, i think the newest stable, because apt-get dist-upgrade don't updatet something |
| 18:00.04 | andihit | no, jelly |
| 18:00.07 | quitte | is there a program for voice chatting with more than two persons? |
| 18:00.19 | phreqmod | jelly, eh, well, it's safer for root, but a pain in the ass, true. |
| 18:00.41 | jelly | andihit: then, I'm afraid I have to congratulate you on successfully shooting yourself in the foot. :-) |
| 18:00.45 | dkr | quitte: teamspeak? :) |
| 18:00.53 | stew | andihit: if its the newest stable, you should upgrade to the newest testing since you are running testing now. what exactly is the problem with "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 18:01.12 | andihit | there is no problem, all is updated |
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| 18:01.37 | andihit | but i don't know if it's updated for testing |
| 18:01.43 | quitte | dkr: looks good. |
| 18:01.57 | jelly | andihit: oh, so you have a logged in shell after all then? |
| 18:02.12 | andihit | no |
| 18:02.27 | dury | hi there :) |
| 18:02.34 | andihit | i've installed python2.5, and said for updating glibc yes. it says i should reboot, and i've done it |
| 18:02.39 | jelly | hmm |
| 18:02.39 | wols_ | aDDONiC: you have a mongrel system now, part testing part stable |
| 18:02.48 | wols_ | andihit: |
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| 18:03.02 | stew | andihit: did you check /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 18:03.20 | Glaciality | Okay, reinstalled BlackRhino, gonna try another boot. |
| 18:03.23 | andihit | stew: i can't log in anymore, it's a vserver - i have to ask the support |
| 18:03.30 | andihit | is there any way to get into the server? |
| 18:03.33 | jelly | andihit: ask your provider or consult their docs if there's a way to access the console of the virtual machine. |
| 18:03.36 | andihit | webmin is not installed :( |
| 18:04.04 | dury | my xmms doesn't run properly |
| 18:04.30 | stew | andihit: btw. in the future, you should not try to mix stable and testing. and you should be especially weary of a libc6 upgrade |
| 18:04.49 | andihit | but i want python2.5 ;) |
| 18:04.54 | Glaciality | Wooo! It's booting a treat. :D |
| 18:04.58 | Glaciality | Thanks guys! |
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| 18:05.12 | wols_ | andihit: and I want a pony! |
| 18:05.20 | jelly | !pony wols_ |
| 18:05.23 | wols_ | andihit: next time use backports, upgrade fully to testing, etc |
| 18:05.35 | stew | andihit: then you'll have to finish upgrading to testing |
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| 18:05.58 | gentgeen__ | can I use dpkg to install a DEB with a base of $HOME ? (I just want to install it in my home directory, not system wide, but the source code for this .deb is not available) |
| 18:05.59 | andihit | backports? i've heard many times of it but don't now what it is..*wikipedia* |
| 18:06.15 | stew | andihit: /msg dpkg backport ; however its not going to help you in this case |
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| 18:06.22 | PietroGiovanni | hello all |
| 18:06.31 | andihit | should i ask the support to make a new server? or what should he do? |
| 18:06.34 | PietroGiovanni | why apt asks for CD to install? |
| 18:06.37 | wols_ | gentgeen__: just unpac it inside your ~ |
| 18:07.03 | wols_ | PietroGiovanni: cause there is a cdrom line in your sources.list? |
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| 18:07.21 | PietroGiovanni | will check |
| 18:07.34 | dury | couldn't open mp3 audio from xmms |
| 18:07.40 | jelly | andihit: btw, which vserver provider are you using? Are you happy with them? |
| 18:07.48 | gentgeen__ | wols_, thanks - saw that in the MAN but did not realize it would work like that |
| 18:07.49 | gentgeen__ | thx |
| 18:08.16 | andihit | jelly: bremer-it, i don't know now, it's the first day i have the data for the vserver. |
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| 18:08.29 | Crysknife007 | how do I change screen resolution? |
| 18:08.40 | andihit | and now i should ask the support to install the system new - what should he think about me? :( |
| 18:08.44 | stew | !drxx Crysknife007 |
| 18:08.45 | dpkg | Crysknife007: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:08.58 | Crysknife007 | thanks |
| 18:09.09 | jelly | scheisse, German lang. only :-| |
| 18:09.20 | Glaciality | How do I search for a package using apt? |
| 18:09.21 | dury | how can I configured my sound card |
| 18:09.25 | stew | Glaciality: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:09.32 | stew | dury: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 18:09.37 | andihit | lol, scheisse can you write? *g* |
| 18:09.52 | roe | not strictly a debian question, but is there way I can get gnome to remember placement/size of windows I open? |
| 18:09.58 | Glaciality | Thanks |
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| 18:10.09 | stew | roe: that would be a function of your window manager, not gnome |
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| 18:10.19 | stew | (afaik) |
| 18:10.23 | roe | stew: so metacity? |
| 18:10.34 | stew | dunno |
| 18:10.55 | roe | figures that #metacity doesn't exist |
| 18:10.56 | Glaciality | I can't find ssh server, any ides what it would be? |
| 18:11.06 | jelly | andihit: cool, I see he's using user-mode-linux too. I don't speak German though, but Google translate is doing a decent job. ;-) |
| 18:11.12 | roe | Glaciality, the package or the daemon? |
| 18:11.19 | Glaciality | The package |
| 18:11.32 | stew | Glaciality: ssh |
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| 18:11.47 | Glaciality | Ah thanks, I was trying ssh-server |
| 18:11.47 | roe | apt-cache search openssh-server |
| 18:11.58 | stew | Glaciality: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:12.06 | PietroGiovanni | wols_, found it, tvm |
| 18:12.09 | Glaciality | Yeah I was trying that stew |
| 18:12.19 | Glaciality | Didn't show up because I was searching for ssh-server |
| 18:12.25 | andihit | yes, and i don't have a admin console :/, my old provider has so a console and i can install the server new with a web console |
| 18:13.11 | stew | Glaciality: "apt-cache search ssh-server" does find it |
| 18:13.42 | Glaciality | Didn't for me, returned nothing |
| 18:13.48 | Glaciality | Probably because I'm on the PS2 sources |
| 18:13.51 | stew | oh |
| 18:13.59 | stew | Glaciality: please find a channel specific to your distribution |
| 18:14.03 | Glaciality | Also, what would cause the error hostname: Unknown host? |
| 18:14.05 | Glaciality | There isn't one :/ |
| 18:14.06 | jelly | andihit: I guess you'll have to ask your provider either for a reinstall, or for console access so you can fix the current installation. |
| 18:14.26 | stew | Glaciality: find a mailing list |
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| 18:15.10 | JordiGH | How's Beryl working in Debian? |
| 18:15.24 | JordiGH | It isn't. :-/ |
| 18:15.30 | JordiGH | Is it in experimental? /me goes check. |
| 18:16.06 | jelly | !beryl |
| 18:16.07 | dpkg | i guess beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
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| 18:16.56 | JordiGH | But does it work? |
| 18:17.19 | jelly | JordiGH: why not try and tell us about it? |
| 18:17.20 | bhundven | i'm not running it... at all. it totally doesn't work at all. |
| 18:17.28 | bhundven | </sarcasm> |
| 18:17.35 | Crysknife007 | anuslol |
| 18:17.37 | JordiGH | jelly: It'll have to wait until I'm on the faster box. :-) |
| 18:18.03 | abrotman | stew: but the likelihood of a fix is nil pretty much |
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| 18:18.41 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 18:19.09 | abrotman | ah well |
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| 18:20.11 | andihit | where can i search for a backport package? and btw, why is there so a problem about it? |
| 18:20.18 | andihit | on my old vserver, it makes no problem |
| 18:20.24 | bhundven | backports.org ? |
| 18:20.28 | dury | what is the output plugin package to play mp3 files with xmms? |
| 18:20.29 | nvz | andihit: backports-org apt-get.org |
| 18:20.39 | andihit | i have few things from testing |
| 18:20.46 | andihit | jeas, http://backports.org/debian/pool/ - but there is no python |
| 18:20.48 | stew | andihit: don't bother, python2.5 backport doesn't exist, and backporting it is going to be far from easy |
| 18:21.02 | andihit | but i have to use python2.5 |
| 18:21.14 | andihit | should i compile it myself? but i think i need also the depencies |
| 18:21.17 | nvz | andihit: what does dpkg -l libc6 sat? |
| 18:21.22 | JordiGH | dury: Depends... are you using KDE? |
| 18:21.42 | andihit | abhänbgigkeiten in german - pakets which need from the main package |
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| 18:21.49 | dury | no I'm using fluxbox |
| 18:21.54 | andihit | nvz: i've no idea, i can't log in anymore |
| 18:22.00 | nvz | andihit: haha |
| 18:22.05 | andihit | ... |
| 18:22.06 | nvz | andihit: then it doesnt matter now does it |
| 18:22.07 | JordiGH | dury: Also, if you're not in sarge, you should check out Rhythmbox. It's worked fine for me, and it seems to be smart about choosing output methods. |
| 18:22.27 | nvz | andihit: don't mix distrubutions, if you have to reinstall, use etch this time |
| 18:22.29 | ab3l_ | hi there's a way to get input from gamepad (ie something like cat /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/joy or whatever ?) |
| 18:22.32 | nvz | !info python2.5 etch |
| 18:22.38 | dpkg | python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5-5 (etch), Packaged size: 3364 kB, Installed size: 12196 kB |
| 18:22.40 | nvz | andihit: ^^ |
| 18:22.43 | andihit | shure. i ask the support to re-create the uml and then i have to install python2.5 |
| 18:22.47 | JordiGH | Ah, but rhythmbox might need GTK stuff which you might not want to install. |
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| 18:22.57 | andihit | but on a vserver? testing? |
| 18:23.05 | andihit | i don't think that's a very good idea |
| 18:23.09 | nvz | andihit: please do yourself and everyone a favor and dont mix its not good |
| 18:23.14 | stew | andihit: you either need to install python from source and change all the scripts that need python2.5 to use #!/usr/local/bin/python2.5 instead of #!/usr/bin/python ; or you will need to upgrade to testing |
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| 18:23.28 | nvz | andihit: mixing isnt a good idea causes serious breakage you cant fix cause you dont have pysical access |
| 18:23.31 | dury | JordiGH: in sarge...what you mean? |
| 18:23.37 | andihit | testing on a server? |
| 18:23.40 | JordiGH | dury: sarge is Debian stable. |
| 18:24.02 | JordiGH | dury: etch is the current testing, hopefully to be the next stable very soon! |
| 18:24.05 | nvz | andihit: testing/etch is already partially frozen and has been for some time.. it will be stable soon and its not recieving any updates through ynstable anymore |
| 18:24.10 | dury | JordiGH: how can I know that? |
| 18:24.16 | stew | fully frozen |
| 18:24.16 | JordiGH | dury: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:24.26 | dury | JordiGH: right |
| 18:24.27 | nvz | andihit: and package wise is what you want apparently |
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| 18:24.34 | andihit | wise? |
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| 18:24.56 | JordiGH | Wait, no packages from unstable anymore, or only manually? I think I missed the -devel-announce |
| 18:24.56 | andihit | when it's stable? |
| 18:24.57 | nvz | you cant be mixing sources especially on a vhost you dont have access to |
| 18:25.07 | nvz | you'll be in the middle of working on something then cant login anymore |
| 18:25.08 | stew | andihit: when the last 75 RC bugs are eliminated |
| 18:25.12 | nvz | wait.. you did that already.. heh |
| 18:25.18 | nvz | see what I mean |
| 18:25.18 | dury | JordiGH: 3.1 |
| 18:25.33 | JordiGH | dury: You're using sarge. The rhythmbox there might be a bit too old. |
| 18:26.00 | JordiGH | stew: Not all the RC bugs have to be eliminated, right? I mean, the grub2 bug, f'rinstance... |
| 18:26.03 | nvz | rhythmbox is poo |
| 18:26.05 | ab3l_ | hi there's a way to get input from gamepad (ie something like cat /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/joy or whatever ?) |
| 18:26.16 | nvz | though I did notice gstreamer apps can edit tags now |
| 18:26.16 | dury | JordiGH: so? |
| 18:26.25 | stew | JordiGH: no. ALL of the RC bugs have to be eliminated (or the packages containing them must be removed from etch) |
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| 18:26.45 | stew | JordiGH: (unless the bug is marked etch-ignore by the release team) |
| 18:26.50 | JordiGH | nvz: I really love it. The 0.9 version didn't have a problem working with arts. Anything that knows how to work with arts and isn't a KDE app has my respect. |
| 18:26.51 | andihit | !info wise etch |
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| 18:26.58 | dpkg | wise: (comparison of biopolymers, commonly DNA and protein sequences), section science, is optional. Version: 2.2.0-3 (etch), Packaged size: 2013 kB, Installed size: 6536 kB |
| 18:27.02 | stew | andihit: nevermind wise |
| 18:27.10 | SensationBlack | Hello everybody, how can I encode an audio cd in mp3 ? (by preference using a kde gui) |
| 18:27.16 | andihit | what's that? DNA? lol? |
| 18:27.20 | dury | stew: running fluxbox here |
| 18:27.21 | stew | andihit: its an expression, by "package wise", we meant "according to the packages you want" |
| 18:27.21 | abrotman | !tell SensationBlack about lame |
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| 18:27.25 | JordiGH | dury: I think the older versions of rhythmbox aren't as smart about choosing a good output method, so suggesting it instead of xmms isn't going to fix your problem. |
| 18:27.30 | stew | dury: running wmii-3 here |
| 18:27.38 | nvz | if I were to use one of those things it would probably be amarok.. but its far to resource hungry and too touchy for everyday use for me |
| 18:27.42 | nvz | JordiGH: ^ |
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| 18:27.43 | JordiGH | SensationBlack: k3b |
| 18:27.54 | Zaggynl | Could linux somehow reset my soundcard and make it do mono only? |
| 18:28.02 | phreqmod | SensationBlack, konqueror does that natively |
| 18:28.21 | JordiGH | Oh, rip. I thought you wanted to burn mp3 to a cd. |
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| 18:28.30 | phreqmod | SensationBlack, when you open an audio cd in Konqueror it displays virtual files in OGG,wav, etc |
| 18:28.36 | nvz | JordiGH: usually when I need something more featureful is when I am dj'ing and drunk.. amarok is too touchy there seems to be a dozen different unintended drunkk gestures that can accidentally change the playing song |
| 18:28.40 | phreqmod | DnD them to a folder and it's done |
| 18:28.43 | dury | stew: how can I play with xmms? |
| 18:28.54 | JordiGH | nvz: Have you seen rhythmbox's PARTY MODE? ;-) |
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| 18:28.57 | nvz | JordiGH: and its a resource hog and leaves too much room for error.. so I just use cplay |
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| 18:29.04 | stew | dury: type "xmms" |
| 18:29.11 | dury | stew: give errors |
| 18:29.16 | stew | dury: what errors? |
| 18:29.16 | nvz | JordiGH: na I havent checked it out in awhile.. but amarok uses audioscrobbler and statistics |
| 18:29.36 | JordiGH | Hehehe... "party mode" is just fullscreen. :-) |
| 18:29.49 | nvz | JordiGH: haha.. thats teh lame |
| 18:30.03 | Glaciality | How do I reconfigure a package? |
| 18:30.10 | asg | Glaciality: dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 18:30.17 | JordiGH | nvz: Then again, I'm not a DJ. I just wanna listen to music while I code. Rhythmbox sorts it nicely for me and plays nice with KDE. That's all I need. |
| 18:30.18 | Glaciality | Thanks. |
| 18:30.24 | fluxdude | quick question: is host deprecated as a dns lookup command? will it disappear any time soon? |
| 18:30.31 | nvz | JordiGH: cplay seems to be the all around friendliest to most any situation.. I've even had really drunk computer illiterates running it at parties |
| 18:30.32 | stew | fluxdude: no |
| 18:30.36 | dury | stew: what is the output plugin package to play mp3 files with xmms? |
| 18:30.39 | asg | fluxdude: no, nslookup is though |
| 18:30.42 | stew | dury: no idea |
| 18:30.53 | andihit | but with testing..the server can be attaced, and much traffic (i've 750GB, but.. i don't know how many a DDoS attack needs/gets) can be used |
| 18:31.03 | fluxdude | asg: nslookup, yeah I've seen that but it looks stupid to do that. |
| 18:31.03 | nvz | JordiGH: I'm not a dj really either. everyone just thinks I am the shit for some reason and wants me drunk at their parties |
| 18:31.11 | relbs | is there a recommended way to setup and maintain a .deb repository that i'd like to share with a few friends? |
| 18:31.19 | asg | fluxdude: agreed, dig(1) is my preferred tool |
| 18:31.20 | fluxdude | nslookup is on windows too so it should stay as the one univeral command for finding an ip address |
| 18:31.21 | stew | dury: wait, output plugin? that would be oss or alsa or jack or esd or something depending on how your audio is setup |
| 18:31.25 | relbs | with custom built packages |
| 18:31.36 | stew | dury: output plugin has nothing to do with what source you are using for the audio |
| 18:31.46 | streuner | relbs: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 18:31.47 | fluxdude | asg: err, no , I've never quite gotten dig, it's output always looks the same |
| 18:31.53 | JordiGH | nvz: I'll check out nvz later today. |
| 18:31.55 | relbs | streuner: thanks! |
| 18:31.59 | fluxdude | in fact, host is better than both in one or two ways |
| 18:32.03 | JordiGH | nvz: Er, cplay. I'll check it out. |
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| 18:32.22 | fluxdude | it is simple, and it has an exit code that reflects whether or not the query succeeded |
| 18:32.23 | nvz | JordiGH: cplay is just a curses frontend to things like music123 mpg321, ogg123..etc |
| 18:32.32 | nvz | JordiGH: nothing fancy at all.. |
| 18:33.07 | JordiGH | nvz: But if your drunken friends can use it, it must be good... I bet they even felt l33t using a text interface, old school, like when Trinity used nmap to hack the Matrix. |
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| 18:33.10 | nvz | JordiGH: I like it for everyday use cause I can keep it running in a screen session and i like it for parties cause it keeps people out of the rest of my computer baffled by the curses frontend |
| 18:33.25 | dury | stew: audio card it's sb16 |
| 18:33.33 | stew | dury: are you using alsa or oss |
| 18:33.48 | nvz | JordiGH: all I gotta to is tell em hit "a" to add a song "/" to search and Tab to toggle playlist/filelist |
| 18:34.00 | dury | stew: how can I know that |
| 18:34.04 | nvz | JordiGH: too much can go wrong with drunk people and GUIs |
| 18:34.09 | stew | dury: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 18:34.10 | JordiGH | nvz: Ooh, instructions. Is the ncurses frontend aware of mice? |
| 18:34.23 | dury | stew: as root |
| 18:34.29 | stew | dury: in irc |
| 18:34.32 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 18:34.35 | stew | dpkg: tell dury about alsa one-liner |
| 18:34.35 | nvz | JordiGH: has nothing to click on its just a filelist/playlist |
| 18:34.52 | nvz | JordiGH: I suppose if it were made mouse aware would make sorting playlist easier |
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| 18:35.01 | JordiGH | nvz: Every interface has something to click on! Whether it's enabled or not that's something else. |
| 18:35.11 | wols_ | nvz: and you think drunk people find the right keys on the keyboard for text mode? |
| 18:35.21 | nvz | JordiGH: all you could click on is the time bar or the file list |
| 18:35.23 | cookoo | how do i enable udma 6 on sata drive ? |
| 18:35.31 | wols_ | cookoo: man hdparm |
| 18:35.43 | wols_ | if the drive and the controller actually support UDMA6 |
| 18:35.45 | nvz | wols_: it's worked fine for me.. cplay only has a handfull of commands the rest are ignored |
| 18:35.53 | wols_ | I don't think that's ever been standardized |
| 18:36.13 | stew | if they are that drunk, i probably don't want them controlling the playlist :) |
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| 18:37.03 | wols_ | cookoo: UMDA6 is PATA133 afaik |
| 18:37.15 | wols_ | there is no UDMA in sata |
| 18:37.17 | hlpwfuse | hi, if i do cat /dev/input/js0 and push buttons in the gamepad i see YY like character appearing, can handle it so that a button raise volume another lower ? |
| 18:37.18 | hansgnu | I have my wireless configured. I can scan cells but It`s not possible to connect to any cell. What do I need to do ? |
| 18:37.32 | wols_ | hansgnu: there are error messages |
| 18:38.01 | hansgnu | wols_: just a sec ... i will show the message |
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| 18:38.22 | stew | wols_: huh, no DMA in sata? |
| 18:38.58 | ErikRose | Scary question: I've inherited a couple of production (!) sid boxes. Can I take advantage of the freeze on unstable to move them to etch? |
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| 18:39.16 | stew | ErikRose: there is never a freeze on unstable |
| 18:39.19 | asg | ErikRose: no, unstable has alread moved on |
| 18:39.26 | ErikRose | Crap. |
| 18:39.42 | stew | ErikRose: if the machine is very sufficiently out of date, then possibly you could move to etch, but it would have to be months out of date |
| 18:39.44 | wols_ | stew: it*s built into the standard "by default". you shouldn't need to activate |
| 18:39.52 | ErikRose | stew: I meant the advisory that people should upload stuff to sid that isn't meant for etch. |
| 18:39.52 | wols_ | have you ever seen PIO mode used in sata? |
| 18:39.55 | ErikRose | shouldn't, rather |
| 18:40.18 | stew | wols_: ok i thought maybe you were saying sata doesn't use dma |
| 18:40.38 | ErikRose | stew, arg: thanks |
| 18:40.47 | ErikRose | asg, rather |
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| 18:41.21 | asg | ErikRose: :) no worries, people often call me arg, ass, and other permutations |
| 18:41.27 | ErikRose | heh |
| 18:41.27 | stew | ass |
| 18:41.32 | wols_ | and UDMA specificially is what's usually called that PATA 133MB/s mode maxtor put out |
| 18:41.37 | rahul | penix |
| 18:41.38 | asg | see |
| 18:41.41 | wols_ | but I think intel chipsets don't support it |
| 18:42.16 | stew | ErikRose: its possible that you could move to etch. the problem is that there is no easy way to tell what has already been upgraded past etch (afaik) |
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| 18:42.36 | ErikRose | stew: Yeah, that's what was troubling me. :-) |
| 18:42.38 | wols_ | hansgnu: huh? |
| 18:42.49 | ErikRose | stew: I mean, I could painstakingly compare everything, but yuck. |
| 18:43.01 | stew | ErikRose: i suppose it could be scripted with apt-cache policy and dpkg --compare-versions |
| 18:43.14 | ErikRose | That's an interesting lead. |
| 18:43.25 | wols_ | hansgnu: stop messaging me |
| 18:43.44 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:44.05 | hansgnu | wols_: ok... just showing you the message |
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| 18:44.40 | h3sp4wn | UDMA 6 is the maxtor mode - (there is UDMA 0-5 also) |
| 18:44.48 | hansgnu | wols_: What do i need to do ? |
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| 18:47.27 | cookoo | ata2: dev 0 configured for UDMA/100 scsi1 : sata_sil Vendor: ATA Model: WDC WD360GD-00FN |
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| 18:49.40 | abrotman | hansgnu: he's apparently already ignored you |
| 18:49.56 | zimnyx | I often meet this problem when trying to umount: "device is busy" |
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| 18:50.04 | zimnyx | can i ignore it and force umount? |
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| 18:50.10 | GeorgeS069 | I updated my kernel to 2.6.16-k7 and rebuilt the fglrx modules but,I keep getting this error when I try to modprobe fglrx [fglrx:firegl_init_pcie] *ERROR* Invalid GART type 0. any help is appreciated |
| 18:50.21 | Kevin` | most commonly that's because you have a shell or window open to that mount point |
| 18:50.30 | zimnyx | i know |
| 18:50.31 | GeorgeS069 | oops...make that 2.6.18-k7 |
| 18:50.50 | zimnyx | but i want to force umount |
| 18:51.25 | zimnyx | finding what apps uses device can be hard |
| 18:51.27 | Archville | Where can i find a draft on how runlevels are configured by default on debian ? |
| 18:51.37 | hansgnu | abrotman: i saw |
| 18:51.46 | zimnyx | Archville: read debian reference |
| 18:51.53 | zimnyx | google: debian reference |
| 18:51.55 | abrotman | and it looks like he ran away :) |
| 18:51.56 | hansgnu | abrotman: anyway ... thanks |
| 18:51.59 | zimnyx | thatre is chapter on runlevels |
| 18:51.59 | Archville | zimnyx, ok thanks |
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| 18:52.06 | abrotman | hansgnu: hang out awhile .. see if anyone else knows |
| 18:52.07 | zimnyx | you welcome |
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| 18:53.51 | Alptraum- | i had a working apache 2.2 with php 5 configuration. then i installed the php5-gd and all related packages |
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| 18:54.01 | Alptraum- | now i get this error when restarting my apache: http://pastie.caboo.se/45868 |
| 18:54.11 | Alptraum- | how to fix that? i have no idea |
| 18:54.11 | wols_ | zimnyx: lsof helps you with finding the process that hogs the mountpoint |
| 18:54.30 | wols_ | Alptraum-: you talking about me? |
| 18:54.45 | wols_ | abrotman: rather |
| 18:54.50 | Alptraum- | wols_: pardon? |
| 18:54.54 | abrotman | wols_: i'm not .. hansgnu was trying to :) |
| 18:54.58 | wols_ | Alptraum-: pardon granted |
| 18:55.05 | dZen|n| | Hello: When I try to install latest nvidia driver it tells me that kernel source isn't right in /lib/modules, how is that ? |
| 18:55.30 | wols_ | should have thought about it before he pasted tons of failed DHCPOFFER output to a message windows unasked |
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| 18:55.58 | wols_ | dZen|n|: cause you don#t have your kernel-source/kernel headers installed |
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| 18:56.18 | dZen|n| | sure I do |
| 18:56.29 | lontra | is there a way to install kde through the net install cd of etch? |
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| 18:56.48 | wols_ | then it wouldn't come. besides: it looks like you don't use the debian packages but nvidia.com's tarball, right? |
| 18:56.53 | Alp` | grr disconnect |
| 18:56.56 | Ronin | lontra: apt-get install kde |
| 18:56.57 | wols_ | lontra: yes there is |
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| 18:57.10 | dury | how do I create icons to launch applications in fluxbox |
| 18:57.11 | Alp` | i'm asking in apache channel too |
| 18:57.20 | wols_ | dury: still using feathrelinux? |
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| 18:57.51 | lontra | Ronin: i might before having to reboot |
| 18:57.54 | dury | wols_: no I've installed debian 3.1 |
| 18:57.56 | lontra | s might/meant |
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| 18:58.06 | jelly | How harmless is this, should I jsut ignore it? Mar 9 19:55:24 burek smartd[3561]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Usage Attribute: 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count changed from 180 to 158 |
| 18:58.33 | wols_ | jelly: not harmless but not lifethreatening to your harddisk. yet |
| 18:58.35 | dury | wols_: do you know how do I create icons to launch applications in fluxbox |
| 18:59.05 | Ronin | dury: look on the fluxbox website or ask in #fluxbox |
| 18:59.17 | Ronin | im pretty sure though its in the faq on teh flux website |
| 18:59.24 | wols_ | I've never seen any *box WM with icons on the desktop |
| 18:59.28 | wols_ | decidedly ot minimal |
| 19:00.04 | jelly | wols_: it changes all the time. Do you think forcing a (s)lower DMA mode alleviate the problems? |
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| 19:00.15 | jelly | *would |
| 19:00.22 | Ronin | dury: do you mean when you log on or icons on the desktop? i suspect on the desktop but im just confirming |
| 19:00.32 | wols_ | could be. better cable might help too. is the cable bent? rounded? |
| 19:00.55 | jelly | wols_: it is bent a bit, not much space in the box. |
| 19:00.56 | wols_ | dury: you do know about the right click popup menu, do you? |
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| 19:01.32 | wols_ | jelly: the slower you run the less chance of error there is, so slowing down might help |
| 19:01.37 | jelly | wols_: it's a normal flat 80-wire cable, not too long or anything immediately suspicious |
| 19:01.42 | wols_ | also, use the shortes cable available |
| 19:01.44 | dury | wols_: yeah |
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| 19:02.48 | lightcap | there should be no issue with taking a drive out of one linux box and mounting it on another box right? I've got a bunch of old computers lying around, but I want to keep the data on them, so I thought I'd just pull the drives out of the machines and mount them when I need the data... |
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| 19:03.29 | Archville | lightcap: it should be fine |
| 19:03.30 | wols_ | lightcap: no issue |
| 19:03.38 | lightcap | didn't think so...thanks |
| 19:03.44 | jetscreamer | lightcap: no, just edit /etc/fstab appropriately |
| 19:03.48 | wols_ | linux works even fine if you isntall the OS on a HDD in one PC and then move it to the other |
| 19:03.48 | lightcap | needed a reality check though ;-) |
| 19:03.50 | jetscreamer | and menu.lst |
| 19:04.01 | wols_ | this is not windows after all :P |
| 19:04.03 | lightcap | wols_: well that is the case... |
| 19:04.17 | lightcap | but yeah, its like a mounting a hdd as a rescue |
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| 19:04.36 | jetscreamer | oh and device.map |
| 19:05.05 | lightcap | jetscreamer: why would I need to do all that...can I just hook the drive up and add it to fstab or call mount? |
| 19:05.28 | lightcap | I don't want to boot from these drives...just access the data on them |
| 19:05.34 | jetscreamer | o |
| 19:05.36 | jelly | wols_: yuck, setting the ide xfer mode on the fly makes for some interesting errors in dmesg O:-) |
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| 19:05.46 | lightcap | sorry, should have been more clear... |
| 19:05.46 | jetscreamer | nm then.. i thought you wanted to move the os |
| 19:05.53 | lightcap | booting could be an issue...lots of different hw |
| 19:05.55 | wols_ | jelly: now you know why hdparm has all that alarmist language :) |
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| 19:06.19 | lightcap | I'm more concerned with the fact that I have no clue what fs type was used on any of the drives |
| 19:06.25 | asg | wols_: it should be more friendly and just say "Don't touch me there" |
| 19:06.28 | lightcap | some could even be raided |
| 19:06.42 | jetscreamer | -t auto |
| 19:06.43 | lightcap | but I figure there should be a way to get that info |
| 19:06.53 | lightcap | jetscreamer: see, there you go ;-) |
| 19:07.02 | wols_ | lightcap: don't spec any. mount will (hopefully) sort it out |
| 19:07.07 | lightcap | awesome |
| 19:07.09 | wols_ | with RAID it'S trickier of course |
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| 19:07.24 | lightcap | even for a raid or volume managment? |
| 19:07.44 | wols_ | no :( |
| 19:07.48 | FlopsyPete | When I choose to add a VPN connection in network-manager-gnome's nm-vpn-properties it says "Cannot add VPN connection - No suitable VPN software was found on your system. Contact your system administrator.". What software does it want? there's nothing in the package's recommends; I have openvpn installed. |
| 19:08.05 | jelly | wols_: I've had good luck with -X on nice Intel boards, but this one has a meager NForce2 chipset. :-| |
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| 19:08.35 | lightcap | wols_: yeah, I didnt think so, but I should be able to use raidtools in that case... |
| 19:08.42 | lightcap | thanks all |
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| 19:09.47 | corpcomp | I assume that if I am wanting to access my server with a vnc client I would install vnc-server is there a better server to install. |
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| 19:10.09 | hansgnu | hi ...i did a stupid thing now .. i used chmod 777 but it aplied for all the files . How can I change it back? |
| 19:10.27 | wols_ | !better |
| 19:10.27 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 19:11.21 | jetscreamer | hansgnu: you did it on / and subdirectories? |
| 19:11.53 | jetscreamer | chmod -x removes all x .. chmod 744 makes it x for owner |
| 19:12.08 | corpcomp | Point taken, I will think about what I want and why I want it and re-present the question once this server as been installed. |
| 19:12.31 | hansgnu | jetscreamer: i did ... #/home/hans$ chmod -R 777 * |
| 19:12.32 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.57 | wols_ | other remote software might be freenx or simply remote X |
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| 19:13.44 | jetscreamer | hansgnu: what i do when i fuck up like that is chmod -R 644 everything then +x the directories and whatever else |
| 19:14.05 | jetscreamer | or 600 |
| 19:14.06 | corpcomp | wols_:Yes I did that and it presents several servers. I will investigate (google) them all to find out if they fit my needs. |
| 19:14.22 | jetscreamer | i'm sure there's a better way though |
| 19:14.24 | bzed | hansgnu: find /home/hans -type d -exec chmod 751 "{}" \; |
| 19:14.27 | jetscreamer | see? |
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| 19:14.43 | bzed | hansgnu: find /home/hans -type f -exec chmod 640 "{}" \; |
| 19:15.17 | bzed | hansgnu: then go and chmod all files to 644 which should be world-readable |
| 19:15.24 | bzed | or just use |
| 19:15.28 | bzed | hansgnu: find /home/hans -type f -exec chmod 644 "{}" \; |
| 19:15.32 | Archville | Is it possible to remove window border for a specific app (gnome-terminal) in gnome ? |
| 19:16.00 | jelly | Archville: I do it with devilspie |
| 19:16.07 | Archville | devilspie ? |
| 19:16.11 | Archville | Uhmm let's google it |
| 19:16.22 | jelly | !info devilspie sarge |
| 19:16.24 | dpkg | devilspie: (find windows and perform actions on them), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 19:17.08 | hansgnu | bzed: can I send you a pvt msg? |
| 19:17.12 | bzed | no |
| 19:17.25 | jelly | Archville: there are decent howtos on the net, basically it manipulates various window properties if your window manager can't or doesn't do it. |
| 19:17.27 | bzed | well you can, but you'll end on /ignore |
| 19:17.32 | bzed | hansgnu: ^^ |
| 19:17.50 | Archville | jelly, yes, i'm reading on it in the official website. Thanks :) |
| 19:18.06 | hansgnu | bzed: is this the normal ? drwxr--r-- 2 root root 2592 2007-03-06 18:50 bin |
| 19:18.26 | bzed | hansgnu: on /bin ? no |
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| 19:19.25 | jelly | Archville: examples: http://wiki.foosel.net/linux/devilspie |
| 19:19.40 | hansgnu | bzed: uma ls -a ... this is the bin |
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| 19:20.06 | bzed | jelly: heh, foosel will be happy when I tell her that you've linked her stuff here :D |
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| 19:22.07 | hansgnu | bzed: so .. i need to do what to back to the default? |
| 19:22.45 | jelly | bzed: I find her to-the-point, no nonsense writing style extremely good. Wish more Linux docs were that concise, readable and useful. |
| 19:22.57 | bzed | hansgnu: sorry but I'm out of spontaneous ideas |
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| 19:23.46 | ewanm89 | x_link: Working now? |
| 19:24.04 | x_link | nope |
| 19:24.04 | bzed | jelly: definitely, she rocks :) |
| 19:24.14 | x_link | ewanm89: Let's talk about it in the other channel |
| 19:24.19 | x_link | This is not the right channel to talk about it in. |
| 19:24.33 | ewanm89 | Oops sorry! |
| 19:24.44 | x_link | Np. |
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| 19:26.01 | p3rti | hi.. i have a little question.. how can i make that all outgoing connection with http and ftp goes first to a proxy with login requireed? |
| 19:26.10 | bzed | jelly: she was happy to hear that :) |
| 19:26.14 | xai | does etch's apache2 packages have a apache2-ssl-certificate script? |
| 19:26.55 | bzed | p3rti: just block the outgoing ports and tell the people to use the proxy |
| 19:27.25 | p3rti | bzed, i want sometime more transparent. and on the same machine.. |
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| 19:27.35 | stew | xai: yes |
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| 19:28.16 | xai | stew: i can't find it in any of the packages i ahave installed.. etch.. |
| 19:28.28 | stew | xai: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 19:28.44 | xai | stew: I tried apt-file.. its not there :) |
| 19:28.49 | bzed | p3rti: a transparent proxy with login is not a transparent proxy, though |
| 19:28.49 | stew | xai: it is |
| 19:28.56 | stew | :) stew@catfish:~ $ apt-file search apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 19:28.56 | stew | apache2-common: usr/sbin/apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 19:29.11 | bzed | xai: or jsut go to http://packages.debian.org |
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| 19:30.35 | Gambaroni | When i try to install php5-gd i get: E: damaged packages.. What could i do? |
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| 19:31.38 | jetscreamer | try apg-te clean first , maybe |
| 19:31.43 | jetscreamer | err apt-get clean |
| 19:31.49 | xai | stew: i searched apt-file before I asked.. Maybe i need security updates? nothing is upgraded on apache. |
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| 19:32.06 | Gambaroni | jetscreamer same error |
| 19:32.09 | stew | xai: have you run "apt-file update" ? |
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| 19:32.33 | GeorgeS069 | Is there someplace I could get an Etch net-install iso image with 2.6.20 on it? |
| 19:32.35 | xai | yes, of course.. |
| 19:32.50 | xai | I'll try again though.. |
| 19:32.56 | stew | GeorgeS069: can you give us the full output? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 19:33.27 | GeorgeS069 | stew: full output for what??my fglrx problem? |
| 19:33.27 | jetscreamer | i think stew meant Gambaroni not GeorgeS069 |
| 19:34.00 | xai | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.00 | stew | ewps, yeah |
| 19:34.00 | GeorgeS069 | np |
| 19:34.00 | Gambaroni | apt-file no command? |
| 19:34.01 | Gambaroni | i have run apt-get update yea Stender|afk |
| 19:34.01 | jetscreamer | you have to apt-get install apt-file |
| 19:34.01 | Gambaroni | stew* |
| 19:34.01 | bzed | GeorgeS069: afaik there's only a sarge installer with 2.6.20, you can use it to install etch, though |
| 19:34.05 | karsten | Gambaroni: Install it, rtfm. |
| 19:34.24 | bzed | Gambaroni: or use http://packages.debian.org |
| 19:34.26 | stew | Gambaroni: run "LANG=c apt-get whataver" |
| 19:34.26 | jetscreamer | catch22 |
| 19:34.33 | karsten | !tell Gambaroni about search |
| 19:34.33 | stew | why does Gambaroni need apt-file? |
| 19:34.37 | stew | why? |
| 19:34.48 | jetscreamer | he asked about it |
| 19:34.48 | karsten | stew: Not sure, I just clocked in. |
| 19:34.52 | GeorgeS069 | bzed: ok...so I'd do the sarge install,change the sources to etch and then aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:34.55 | stew | nm, i didn't see that. dunno why |
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| 19:35.39 | jetscreamer | Gambaroni: so paste that full error in a pastebin |
| 19:35.51 | bzed | GeorgeS069: as far as I remember the sarge isntaller it'll ask you if you want to isntall stable/testing or unstable. not sure, though. at least you can install a minimal sarge, edit sources.list and upgrade |
| 19:35.53 | Gambaroni | jetscreamer its swedish :S |
| 19:35.57 | jetscreamer | o |
| 19:36.09 | eeyore- | is there a way to force kernel to update partition table that's in memory? you know, like if your / is on /dev/hda<x> and you modify partitions on /dev/hda kernel won't reload the partition table. well, can you force it to? |
| 19:36.16 | bzed | !tell GeorgeS069 about sarge 2.6.20 |
| 19:36.19 | stew | Gambaroni: what command are you typing? |
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| 19:36.21 | xand | eeyore-: yes, reboot |
| 19:36.29 | Gambaroni | apt-get install php5-gd |
| 19:36.33 | Kevin` | eeyore- yes, there's an ioctl for it I believe. |
| 19:36.36 | GeorgeS069 | bzed: good enough...thanks..I'm getting the image already...I have that site bookmarked:) |
| 19:36.40 | eeyore- | besides rebooting :-p |
| 19:36.41 | stew | Gambaroni: please use "LANG=c apt-get install php5-gd" instead |
| 19:36.48 | Kevin` | eeyore- most of the partition manager programs have the code to do it, might take a look at them |
| 19:37.02 | eeyore- | worth a shot |
| 19:37.07 | bzed | eeyore-: fdisk tries to uses this ioctl though and it'll tell you if it fails for whatever reason. rebooting helps then |
| 19:37.17 | stew | Gambaroni: and can use pastebin the output of "LANG=c apt-get policy libc6 php5-gd" as well? |
| 19:37.17 | Gambaroni | stew http://paste.cplusplus.se/paste.php?id=5352 |
| 19:37.21 | asg | eeyore-: iirc, there is an option in parted to do it |
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| 19:37.29 | Kevin` | it will usually fail if the disk is in use (mounted or open) |
| 19:37.38 | Gambaroni | E: Invalid operation policy |
| 19:37.53 | bzed | Kevin`: exactly. |
| 19:38.04 | xai | stew: i think apache2-ssl-certificate was temporarily removed from etch.. |
| 19:38.10 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 19:38.11 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until it exits.. |
| 19:38.29 | stew | Gambaroni: sorry, i meant "apt-cache policy" not "apt-get policy" |
| 19:38.56 | stew | Gambaroni: however, its not really needed anymore. your problem is that you are trying to install php5-gd from testing but you are running stable, not testing |
| 19:38.59 | jetscreamer | if it's swedish, why is lang=c outputting english |
| 19:39.05 | Gambaroni | http://paste.cplusplus.se/paste.php?id=5353 |
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| 19:39.16 | abchirk | mh how I can setup a debiansystem via rescue console (which has only READONLY), with debootstrap which is too old...it aborts with: E: Couldn't download console-tools-libs... |
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| 19:39.29 | Gambaroni | stew ok.. :S but i really need php5-gd |
| 19:39.30 | karsten | jetscreamer: LANG=C selects english. |
| 19:39.43 | Gambaroni | stew then, how could i install php5 :O? |
| 19:39.44 | jetscreamer | i thought C was like system default |
| 19:39.50 | karsten | jetscreamer: Nope. |
| 19:39.51 | stew | Gambaroni: apt-get isntall -t sarge-backports php5-gd |
| 19:40.34 | Gambaroni | ok. thx :) |
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| 19:41.00 | Kevin` | is sarge still "stable"? |
| 19:41.10 | asg | Kevin`: yes |
| 19:41.14 | karsten | Kevin`: http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 19:41.35 | black_13 | i have been reading the article on digg about linuxbios with with x11 ... is there howto for this? supposedly its debian based |
| 19:41.36 | bzed | !wwer |
| 19:41.37 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
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| 19:41.56 | BUMBACL0T | should i compile and update my own kernel? why and why not? |
| 19:42.10 | xand | no. |
| 19:42.10 | stew | Gambaroni: if you have testing or etch anywhere in your /etc/apt/sources.list then you should remove them |
| 19:42.14 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: Maybe. Yes. |
| 19:42.26 | Gambaroni | ok.. i will check |
| 19:42.36 | bzed | BUMBACL0T: if you have hardware which is not supported by the default kernel or you want to develope kernel stuff.. if you're jsut a normal user... no need to build your own kernel |
| 19:42.43 | Archville | I don't remember the nick of the guy that helped me with devil's pie. ¿ Are you there ? |
| 19:42.47 | stew | BUMBACL0T: it would likely be a waste of time for no real benefit |
| 19:42.56 | BUMBACL0T | bzed, im saying, i want an updated kernel, you know |
| 19:43.01 | stew | BUMBACL0T: if you need an updated kerenl, we can help you get one without compiling one |
| 19:43.06 | stew | BUMBACL0T: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:43.10 | jetscreamer | so C means the application's default language? |
| 19:43.15 | BUMBACL0T | stew, sarge |
| 19:43.24 | bzed | Archville: I think it was jelly, but.. just ask. |
| 19:43.26 | Kevin` | BUMBACL0T well compiling an updated kernel will get you an updated kernel. doesn't cause many problems in debian if you manage your own drivers |
| 19:43.26 | bzed | !tell Archville about ask |
| 19:43.27 | BUMBACL0T | i don't want the package though |
| 19:43.29 | stew | BUMBACL0T: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 19:43.35 | Gambaroni | stew no testing or etch.. :P |
| 19:43.35 | stew | BUMBACL0T: why not? |
| 19:43.40 | BUMBACL0T | stew, i am using 2.6.18 |
| 19:43.48 | stew | BUMBACL0T: why do you want one newer than that? |
| 19:43.53 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:43.59 | Gambaroni | stew thx anyway!!! |
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| 19:44.08 | Kevin` | hmm i'm still running 2.6.16 |
| 19:44.09 | bzed | wols_: no, that'll only link to an installer ;) |
| 19:44.11 | Kevin` | I should update this |
| 19:44.12 | BUMBACL0T | should i just use etch to get newer stuff? |
| 19:44.21 | jetscreamer | The 'C' locale is |
| 19:44.21 | wols_ | oops :) |
| 19:44.21 | jetscreamer | defined as the "default" locale for applications, meaning that their strings are displayed as written in the initial code (without passing through a translation lookup). ?? |
| 19:44.23 | stew | BUMBACL0T: with etch you'd have the same kernel as you have now |
| 19:44.25 | Archville | Ok, there we go. i made a very simple script for devilspie to hide the decorations of the gnome-terminals |
| 19:44.26 | bzed | BUMBACL0T: why the hell do you want a newer kernel? |
| 19:44.26 | karsten | Holey Jeebis: UTF-8 dates from before 1993. |
| 19:44.27 | wols_ | bzed: etch has 2.6.18 too |
| 19:44.36 | BUMBACL0T | i don't know |
| 19:44.37 | BUMBACL0T | lol |
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| 19:44.40 | setog3 | !qemu |
| 19:44.40 | dpkg | somebody said qemu was a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/, or the KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary). |
| 19:44.47 | BUMBACL0T | i just want to keep my system updated |
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| 19:44.50 | bzed | wols_: I know, but /msg dpkg 2.6.20 links to an installer, not to a kernel package |
| 19:44.54 | stew | BUMBACL0T: /msg dpkg security |
| 19:44.55 | Archville | It's there http://www.pastebin.ca/387999 , but i don't know why it does not work and no errors are shown when executed. |
| 19:45.03 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: If your current kernel works, and there are no critical bug / security fixes against it, there's no need to upgrade. |
| 19:45.14 | Archville | However, if i just use (undecorated) it does it for all windows. |
| 19:45.20 | BUMBACL0T | 2.6.18 #1 PREEMPT Fri Oct 6 15:53:54 EDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:45.24 | Kevin` | karsten except perhaps better performance in some cases |
| 19:45.25 | BUMBACL0T | yup, im using 2.6.18 |
| 19:45.29 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: If you don't have HW support, there are specific bugs, or performance enhancements, you might want to switch. That's the general guidance. |
| 19:45.31 | BUMBACL0T | i compiled this one though |
| 19:45.32 | karsten | Kevin`: Was getting there. |
| 19:45.33 | hark | !custom kernel |
| 19:45.33 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 19:45.50 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: Building kernels is somewhat complex, and it's a good way to discover how to break things. |
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| 19:46.20 | BUMBACL0T | i've been using debian for about 3-4 and most of the packages are old as hell |
| 19:46.24 | Kevin` | it's hard to really mess up the system though, and IMO it's good to know how to build the kernel |
| 19:46.34 | xand | BUMBACL0T: use etch |
| 19:46.35 | BUMBACL0T | years* |
| 19:46.38 | Kevin` | BUMBACL0T perhaps you want etch |
| 19:46.38 | stew | BUMBACL0T: what is an example of a package that you wish were newer? |
| 19:46.38 | bzed | !tell BUMBACL0T about stable |
| 19:46.41 | bzed | !tell BUMBACL0T about testing |
| 19:46.43 | BUMBACL0T | xand, why? |
| 19:46.49 | xand | because it's recent |
| 19:46.52 | jetscreamer | real men run experimental |
| 19:46.53 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: update to etch then |
| 19:47.00 | jetscreamer | wuss! |
| 19:47.10 | karsten | jetscreamer: Real men swim. |
| 19:47.11 | BUMBACL0T | but etch is not stable though, literally |
| 19:47.11 | jelly | BUMBACL0T: packages being old can be looked at as somewhat of a feature. |
| 19:47.17 | asg | jetscreamer: real men run OpenBSD |
| 19:47.23 | wols_ | jetscreamer: and then they come in here and scream "OMG you bastards killed my computer. I will all sue you by the FBI!" |
| 19:47.27 | Kevin` | etch is fairly stable, BUMBACL0T |
| 19:47.30 | hark | xand: ever use xandros? ;) |
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| 19:47.34 | bzed | real men run vista on powerPC |
| 19:47.36 | xand | hark: erm, no. |
| 19:47.39 | BUMBACL0T | aint etch testing? |
| 19:47.41 | xand | ever use harkros? |
| 19:47.41 | Archville | Real men run openQNX. ¬_¬ |
| 19:47.46 | hark | heh |
| 19:47.47 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: etch is stable enough for a desktop (it's stable enough for a server imo too but that's just imo) |
| 19:47.52 | GeorgeS069 | real men setup sendmail from source |
| 19:47.55 | karsten | Real men scare sheep.... |
| 19:47.58 | xand | BUMBACL0T: testing but it's frozen, soon to be released (i hope) |
| 19:48.02 | asg | karsten: only Guerin |
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| 19:48.08 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
| 19:48.09 | Kevin` | BUMBACL0T yes, it is testing, but it's been stable for me for at least a year |
| 19:48.24 | jelly | bzed: Vista on ppc? I'll be trying to replace an old sparc/Solaris 9 with a qemu install, is that good enough? |
| 19:48.27 | bzed | !tell BUMBACL0T about sarge -> etch |
| 19:48.29 | BUMBACL0T | i should dist-upgrade |
| 19:48.30 | jetscreamer | or there's always backports |
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| 19:48.50 | bzed | jelly: haha yes :) although you wanna have a look into http://www.gnusolaris.org |
| 19:48.52 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: only upgrade if you want/need to |
| 19:48.57 | dustybin | does anybody know what kind of bug count etch has got at the moment? |
| 19:48.58 | GeorgeS069 | BUMBACL0T: Etch isn't 100% certified stable just yet but,it's pretty darn good and worth the effort |
| 19:49.09 | BUMBACL0T | i know there is, but that's pain in the ass, and some aren't backport'able |
| 19:49.11 | stew | dustybin: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 19:49.13 | Archville | Hell, Nexenta. |
| 19:49.16 | dustybin | thanks |
| 19:49.20 | Archville | I've only been able to run it on vmware. |
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| 19:49.27 | Archville | (Still i loved it) |
| 19:49.27 | jelly | bzed: I don't, already have ported dpkg. ;-) |
| 19:49.36 | stew | dustybin: also: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 19:49.53 | bzed | jelly: dpkg to solaris? are you going to publish that somewhere? |
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| 19:49.56 | BUMBACL0T | well, i think im sticking with sarge until i get problems |
| 19:50.05 | dZen|n| | failde to determine patchlevel |
| 19:50.18 | jelly | bzed: nah, recent dpkg's compile almost out of the box. |
| 19:50.19 | xand | failed to spell failed |
| 19:50.19 | dZen|n| | when nvidia try to build kernel module ? |
| 19:50.40 | dZen|n| | what do I need >? |
| 19:50.43 | bzed | jelly: oh cool. I've tried it some years ago and it was liek having a brick in the ass |
| 19:50.44 | jetscreamer | !nv.run |
| 19:50.45 | dpkg | get root. kill X. then paste this: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev linux-headers-`uname -r` && md /usr/src/nvda/ && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run -anN |
| 19:50.46 | |dennis| | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.00 | bzed | jetscreamer: nooo |
| 19:51.10 | bzed | !tell dZen|n| about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:51.12 | jetscreamer | yeah pasting one line, hell no |
| 19:51.21 | jetscreamer | let's do it the hard way! |
| 19:51.33 | bzed | jetscreamer: running that nvidia thing will jsut break your system |
| 19:51.52 | eeyore- | weird ... the partition is not in use (not mounted) but still kernel doesn't want to re-read partition table. maybe there's kernel process or something still using it |
| 19:52.00 | solemnwarning | What inetd package is included in the Debian base system? |
| 19:52.07 | wols_ | inetd |
| 19:52.07 | bzed | !tell jetscreamer about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:52.20 | jelly | bzed: in a related project, we had dpkg on Ultrix and Decunix back in 1996. ;-) |
| 19:52.33 | asg | solemnwarning: depends on the debian version you are running |
| 19:52.36 | bzed | haha cool jelly |
| 19:52.37 | abrotman | bzed: he knows about it .. he keeps telling people not to use it because he can't make it work |
| 19:52.38 | solemnwarning | According to apt inetd isn't installed, but I have an inetd |
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| 19:52.42 | jelly | bzed: Now _those_ were hard to build, I'm told. |
| 19:52.49 | jzu | blaaah |
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| 19:53.10 | jzu | Am I able to move from backports to etch? |
| 19:53.10 | wols_ | jetscreamer: last time I used the nvidia installer it copied the binaries all to the wrong places. I put the to the right place, but people who have to ask how to install it might not be able to |
| 19:53.25 | wols_ | jzu: yes |
| 19:53.25 | stew | jzu: yes |
| 19:53.28 | jzu | I have few backport packages installed: http://unikko.org/backports.txt |
| 19:53.30 | jzu | does that matteR? |
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| 19:53.40 | stew | jzu: no |
| 19:53.49 | jetscreamer | wols_: hence the apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev |
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| 19:54.06 | wols_ | what does the pkg-config do? |
| 19:54.08 | jzu | stew: ok, maybe I should wait to etch to became final and then move. |
| 19:54.09 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i couldn't get that to work like a year or 2 ago |
| 19:54.17 | abrotman | and still can't :) |
| 19:54.20 | setog3 | !virtualbox |
| 19:54.20 | dpkg | virtualbox is probably a virtual machine solution. Check out the website http://www.virtualbox.org/ |
| 19:54.26 | stew | jzu: wordpress won't be in etch when it is released |
| 19:54.30 | jzu | stew: since Im running almost "production" server, private shell/www-server with +50 users |
| 19:54.33 | jetscreamer | true.... |
| 19:54.46 | jzu | stew: oh well, it doesent matter :) |
| 19:54.53 | jelly | bzed: hmm, nexenta still says CDDL libc + GPL apps (dpkg among others) is a-ok? |
| 19:55.12 | setog3 | hmm don't know what I must install : virtualbox or qemu, and how on debian ? .. I see package for kqemu , but does I need to recompile my kernel to use them ? |
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| 19:55.32 | andihit | so, i've asked the support - and it tells me: the TLS-Libs are not compatible with the UML - and it's no problem with the libc, python2.5 and the update, the mix from the releases! |
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| 19:55.46 | Kevin` | setog3 kqemu is a kernel module, you don't need to rebuild the entire kernel, just the module |
| 19:55.57 | stew | andihit: you absolutely don't want to run sarge with etch's libc6, upgrade fully to etch |
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| 19:56.06 | Archville | setog3, qemu is fine, but take care with kqemu, there was a bug in a latest release that throwed kernel panic sometimes |
| 19:56.09 | jzu | stew: http://unikko.org/img/unikko.jpg - my baby |
| 19:56.16 | wols_ | andihit: especially not on a server |
| 19:56.21 | Archville | so it's better to compile it yourself |
| 19:56.49 | Archville | (from the website source than using apt) |
| 19:56.59 | stew | Archville: is this bug filed in the bts? |
| 19:57.06 | Archville | stew, yes |
| 19:57.10 | andihit | i run at the moment with libc6, and server, and sarge, but i think i'll update to testing |
| 19:57.19 | bzed | jelly: what do you mean... a-ok!? |
| 19:57.34 | andihit | when testing gets into stable - can i change the source.list file and then i have stable? |
| 19:57.47 | andihit | because today testings is nearly stable, you told me |
| 19:57.47 | jelly | bzed: that's what they say, at least... ;-) |
| 19:57.59 | Kevin` | andihit you could just put it explicitly as "etch" |
| 19:58.06 | stew | andihit: change to "testing" to "etch" and you'll have etch before and after it moves to stable |
| 19:58.32 | bzed | andihit: jsut change it to etch ;) |
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| 19:59.04 | rgsteele | andihit: Well... strictly speaking... it's not as rock solid stable as stable is... but then again, if it were it wouldn't be called testing. |
| 19:59.26 | riot | is it possible to have flash on a 64bit machine? |
| 19:59.34 | rgsteele | IIRC, there are still around 100 open release-critical bugs left to be ironed out. |
| 19:59.38 | setog3 | Archville: ok thx, and virtualbox ? .. so I think I will get the kqemu module source from the site, and build, does I need to add kernel option in boot time or no ? |
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| 19:59.49 | Kevin` | by flash I assume you mean the web site thing rather then the nvram |
| 19:59.50 | bzed | riot: you can run a 32bit browser and isntall the flash plugin for it. I'm using it in opera |
| 20:00.05 | Archville | setog3, i don't know, never used it. Just used qemu and vmware myself. |
| 20:00.12 | bzed | riot: the 64bit flash for firefox is still not ready |
| 20:00.52 | setog3 | ok I will try |
| 20:01.08 | jetscreamer | oh good they fixed the multiple tabs opening in iceweasel when you click a link from a diff app |
| 20:01.12 | Archville | Vmware server is free if you want to try it. |
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| 20:01.34 | riot | bzed: no iceape, either? |
| 20:04.35 | rahul | assape |
| 20:04.47 | rahul | don't know which is better, assweasel or assape |
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| 20:06.15 | jelly | bzed: nevermind, still looks like Nexenta is in the wrong and doesn't really have a right to distribute (all of their) GPL-ed binaries + CDDL kernel/libc as a single OS. |
| 20:06.36 | DaCheatHSR | hello... im having an issue with my onboard NIC on my intel 915GTP board |
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| 20:06.47 | DaCheatHSR | tried e100, e1000 and sk98lin modules with no avail |
| 20:07.02 | setog3 | Archville: for now I use vmware, it works fine but can't find how to share partition and things like that so .. try it with qemu |
| 20:07.12 | stew | DaCheatHSR: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}'" say? |
| 20:07.16 | setog3 | Archville: and soemone say to me that qemu is fast |
| 20:07.22 | Archville | setog3, just set the network modules with vmware-config.pl |
| 20:07.36 | Archville | by the way, i also found qemu faster than vmware here. |
| 20:07.48 | DaCheatHSR | stew one second, lemme boot the box quick |
| 20:07.49 | jelly | DaCheatHSR: which debian release, or which kernel are you using? what does http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ say about the driver? |
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| 20:08.37 | wols_ | setog3: samba is the best for sharing data |
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| 20:09.06 | HardDisk_WP | which archive method can be splitted by ark? |
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| 20:09.21 | DaCheatHSR | sorry for the lack of information, its on 3.1 (sarge) |
| 20:09.29 | DaCheatHSR | id run wtch, but this is a production server |
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| 20:10.16 | greff | What should I modify in /etc/ssh/ssh_config (the client configuration file) so that the client tries to authenticate via Kerberos? |
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| 20:12.28 | uptownben | Hey Flimzy, you around? |
| 20:12.37 | Flimzy | uptownben: hi |
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| 20:13.39 | uptownben | Flimzy: i saw the updates on the wiki. I'm about to give it a try |
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| 20:14.01 | Flimzy | uptownben: cool. I have it working pretty well with grub, too; it's easier to update that way :) |
| 20:14.12 | DigitalOk | Hi Debian Community |
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| 20:15.20 | uptownben | Flimzy: What does the hda version on the wiki use? |
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| 20:15.31 | Flimzy | uptownben: extlinux |
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| 20:19.05 | uptownben | Flimzy: OK. I let you know how it goes. |
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| 20:26.17 | DigitalOk | Debian Power |
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| 20:42.27 | DigitalOk | i have a question about Debian etch |
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| 20:42.36 | maddash | !ask |
| 20:42.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 20:42.41 | asg | !wir |
| 20:42.41 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 20:44.03 | iwkse | hi, is it possible to run compiz with ati 9800pro? 3d seems not to work with proprietary drivers and composite enabled |
| 20:44.16 | DigitalOk | when is a release about Debian 4.0? |
| 20:44.20 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 20:44.20 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 20:44.29 | asg | DigitalOk: /msg dpkg wir |
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| 20:45.55 | ManuP | is there a channel for probmlesm with X? |
| 20:46.10 | ZeeO | hey guys i need some help. i have a server "offsite" when ever i reboot the box it don't seem to come back up i have to ask for a hardreboot then it comes back whats the bast way to find out whats not shuting it seems like it hangs when rebooting then the hardreboot aways seems to fix it |
| 20:46.25 | mbd-barn | !siyh |
| 20:46.26 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 20:47.51 | maddash_ | !aim |
| 20:47.51 | dpkg | from memory, aim is AOL Instant Messenger. It can be found at http://www.aim.aol.com/ |
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| 20:49.06 | abrotman | ZeeO: ask the tech what's on the screen ? |
| 20:49.38 | corpcomp | Sorry if this sounds like a lame question but how do I make a *.sh file executable from the command line? |
| 20:49.40 | abrotman | sudo_maddash: use gaim or similar .. the aim package at aol.com has to be alien'ed from the RPM .. the .deb files are broken badly |
| 20:49.48 | abrotman | corpcomp: chmod |
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| 20:50.31 | sudo_maddash | abrotman: gaim's a bit...bloated for me. i was hoping that dpkg had some alternatives in memory. |
| 20:50.40 | abrotman | centericq :) |
| 20:50.52 | asg | bitlbee |
| 20:50.53 | abrotman | !info centericq sarge |
| 20:50.58 | dpkg | centericq: (A text-mode multi-protocol instant messenger client), section net, is optional. Version: 4.20.0-1sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1317 kB, Installed size: 3364 kB |
| 20:51.11 | sudo_maddash | perfect. |
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| 20:51.21 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 20:51.26 | asg | yay |
| 20:51.35 | abrotman | he's english .. can't settle with just a pint :) |
| 20:51.44 | asg | nah |
| 20:52.17 | corpcomp | abrotman: Yes I was aware that it permissions had to be set, but when I type at the command line myfile.sh I get the command not found error. Or have I missed something!! |
| 20:52.43 | abrotman | it's not in your path |
| 20:52.48 | eeyore- | abrotman: how 'bout a yard |
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| 20:53.00 | abrotman | eeyore-: i don't have any pets .. why bother |
| 20:53.06 | mutante_ | corpcomp: what about ./myfile.sh |
| 20:53.09 | corpcomp | abrotman: Sorry I forgot I had to put the ./ in front of the command |
| 20:53.10 | eeyore- | abrotman: no, a yard of beer |
| 20:53.19 | asg | yay |
| 20:53.41 | eeyore- | abrotman: o rly? |
| 20:53.44 | mutante_ | corpcomp: you can "fix" that by putting it in a place in your path, type echo $PATH |
| 20:53.45 | abrotman | corpcomp: yes you do .. or alter your path to include '.' (generally considered a bad idea) |
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| 20:54.43 | eeyore- | (esp. if "." is ahead of system paths :-) |
| 20:54.48 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:55.10 | mutante_ | you could copy it to /usr/local/bin/myfile.sh and then try typing it again |
| 20:55.12 | HardDisk_WP | anyone having a reason why Noatun can play a .mov but MPlayeer/mencoder/ffmpeg/vlc can't? |
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| 20:55.24 | corpcomp | mutante_: I am looking into changing the path stuff now. I don't have a clue about it. |
| 20:55.31 | h3sp4wn | corpcomp: ~/bin is as good as anywhere |
| 20:55.32 | eeyore- | HardDisk_WP: win32codecs? |
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| 20:55.39 | stew | corpcomp: you absolutely DONT want "." or ".." in your path |
| 20:55.45 | eeyore- | why not just use absolute path? :-p |
| 20:55.45 | mutante_ | corpcomp: well 2 diferent ways, either change path, or move file into existing path |
| 20:55.46 | eeyore- | wimps |
| 20:55.54 | HardDisk_WP | marco@debian:~/mtg-dasfilm$ apt-cache search win32codecs |
| 20:55.54 | HardDisk_WP | marco@debian:~/mtg-dasfilm$ |
| 20:55.55 | stew | mutante_: no, you never want "." or ".." in your path |
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| 20:56.07 | asg | eeyore-: nobody can decide what the absolute path is though |
| 20:56.24 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: debian-multimedia.org has it |
| 20:56.26 | eeyore- | asg: that's just it, doesn't matter where you put it just call it via absolute path :) |
| 20:56.33 | mutante_ | stew: thats why i told him to copy the file somewhere into the existing path |
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| 20:56.47 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, i have debian-m.org in my src.list since ages |
| 20:56.54 | stew | mutante_: don't offer him the broken alternative of putting . in his path |
| 20:57.01 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 20:57.01 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
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| 20:57.06 | asg | eeyore-: ;) I'll reiterate abrotman's previous comment about senses of humor |
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| 20:57.12 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: well its there |
| 20:57.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:57.25 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, h3sp4wn: the video plays in noatun |
| 20:57.29 | HardDisk_WP | but *not* in vlc |
| 20:57.34 | HardDisk_WP | and thats the problem |
| 20:57.38 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: use mplayer |
| 20:57.40 | HardDisk_WP | as I have to transcode the video |
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| 20:57.44 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, also... |
| 20:57.46 | mutante_ | stew: i was merely telling him that people were talking about different approaches, sigh |
| 20:58.13 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: What file type ? |
| 20:58.18 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, .MOV |
| 20:58.21 | HardDisk_WP | QT7 |
| 20:58.30 | DigitalOk | is here a channel about debian german language |
| 20:58.38 | HardDisk_WP | DigitalOk, ja #debian-de |
| 20:58.39 | abrotman | !de |
| 20:58.39 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 20:58.52 | zamuro | Debian-de, I suppose. |
| 20:58.59 | DigitalOk | ok thx |
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| 20:59.33 | Ankman | DigitalOk: ubuntu-de in case you have it |
| 21:00.26 | DigitalOk | ok |
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| 21:00.49 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: 500 http://debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages its definately there (at least for sid) |
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| 21:01.26 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, i run etch...i am not insane,hehe |
| 21:01.28 | hlpwfuse | hi, if i do cat /dev/input/js0 and push buttons in the gamepad i see YY like character appearing, can handle it so that a button raise volume another lower ? |
| 21:01.54 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: browse http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/ |
| 21:02.14 | smokie | any hints for a mediawiki package 1.9 location for etch? |
| 21:02.26 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, are those codecs for vlc? |
| 21:02.38 | HardDisk_WP | smokie, DON'T |
| 21:02.40 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: Download it and use dpkg -i - they are the w32codecs that everyone uses |
| 21:02.50 | HardDisk_WP | smokie, the MW package sucks. |
| 21:02.59 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, even noatun? |
| 21:03.13 | eeyore- | asg: i should just quit while i'm ahead |
| 21:03.16 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: I know mplayer / vlc uses them don't know about others |
| 21:03.24 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 21:03.50 | smokie | HardDisk_WP, ok thx |
| 21:04.18 | HardDisk_WP | smokie, dowmload from SVN |
| 21:04.34 | eeyore- | i shall be requiring everybody to prefix messages to me with [serious] or [kidding] tags from now on |
| 21:04.40 | HardDisk_WP | smokie, and join #mediawiki |
| 21:05.06 | eeyore- | until my sarcasm detector work once again ... |
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| 21:05.15 | smokie | HardDisk_WP, dl from mediawiki.org instead SVN is not recomended ? |
| 21:05.26 | bzed | smokie: i can recommend dokuwiki, except you want to run something large like wikipedia |
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| 21:05.43 | HardDisk_WP | smokie, well, svn is MOSTLY more up-to-date |
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| 21:06.06 | HardDisk_WP | smokie, btw, mediawiki has a f*cking simple installer script... |
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| 21:06.48 | smokie | HardDisk_WP, i know, but why do i have a distri :-() |
| 21:07.13 | HardDisk_WP | smokie, the debian pkg of mediawiki just sucks... |
| 21:08.01 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, doesnt work still |
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| 21:21.19 | h3sp4wn | !doesn't work |
| 21:21.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 21:25.06 | lehox | hi |
| 21:25.07 | crazy_penguin | good night to all |
| 21:25.59 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: My self compiled mplayer (64 bit) with everything enabled can play the h.264 video at http://www.bravia-advert.com/paint/thead/ without w32codecs |
| 21:26.17 | lehox | hi peoples |
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| 21:27.37 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, maybe the reason is the following...it was created by iMovie in full DV resolution and is 17min@3,2GByte |
| 21:27.50 | hlpwfuse | hi, in qjoypad i see gamepad button highlighted when i hit them. but what do i need for execute a command when one is pressed |
| 21:27.57 | HardDisk_WP | maybe that's too much for vlc, hehe |
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| 21:29.44 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: Is there a free example of the same format ? |
| 21:30.13 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, nope...i am sorry |
| 21:30.32 | lehox | can somebody tell me how to run a webserver (simple) as user without root-rights? |
| 21:30.37 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, but I think i can convince my classmates to license it as GFDL |
| 21:30.53 | hlpwfuse | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.11 | HardDisk_WP | lehox, there are perl scripts for that, or try hlpwfuses thingy |
| 21:31.20 | lehox | i don't use linux with gui |
| 21:31.29 | lehox | i am only using text versions. |
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| 21:33.25 | biopyte | hi. usually i mount the external hd via 'mount /dev/sda1' and the usb-stick via 'mount /dev/sda'. works fine. but when hd and usb-stick are simoultanously connected, i can mount only the hd. how can i mount both devices at the same time? |
| 21:33.58 | xand | biopyte: type dmesg and see what the device names are. |
| 21:34.06 | biopyte | ok |
| 21:34.17 | hlpwfuse | hi, in qjoypad i see gamepad button highlighted when i hit them. but what do i need for execute a command when one is pressed |
| 21:34.57 | xand | biopyte: probably sda and sdb1 or sda1 and sdb |
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| 21:37.53 | biopyte | xand: the usb-stick is sdb. works perfect after i found out according to your advice. thanks a lot. |
| 21:38.41 | xand | good |
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| 21:39.58 | mbd-barn | biopyte: in etch my usb-stick have a symbolic link /dev/disk/by-id/usb-PB_EASY_STORE_6699700604030422-part1 -> ../../sdg1 |
| 21:42.20 | DigitalOk | 522 bugs |
| 21:43.06 | biopyte | mbd-barn: interesting. i looked fpr something like that in /dev/usb but couldnt find. thanks for the tip. |
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| 21:44.27 | biopyte | /dev/disk doesnt exist here (though etch). doesnt matter. |
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| 21:47.30 | maddash | hmm, how come i've never encountered a bug on my etch? |
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| 21:47.40 | peterS | maddash: you're not trying very hard |
| 21:47.46 | xxl3w | i installed the base system through net install. how do i get a window manager? |
| 21:48.43 | rhalff | ssh -L 8081:example.com:8081 -l root -N example.com, should make my local port 8081 available on example.com or not ? |
| 21:48.43 | rhalff | it isn't.. |
| 21:48.43 | abrotman | xxl3w: which one would you like ? |
| 21:48.44 | peterS | rhalff: -L 8081:localhost:8081 |
| 21:48.44 | maddash | peterS: what do I need? |
| 21:48.44 | xxl3w | a REALLY low end PC one |
| 21:48.46 | xxl3w | like fluxbox |
| 21:48.51 | xxl3w | is anything better than fluxbox? |
| 21:48.56 | rhalff | peterS, ok thinkg I tried that first, but I'll try again :) |
| 21:48.56 | peterS | rhalff: the word 'localhost' there is interpreted on _this_ side of the connection, not on the other side of it |
| 21:49.02 | DigitalOk | icevm |
| 21:49.05 | abrotman | xxl3w: apt-get install fluxbox x-window-system-core |
| 21:49.06 | DigitalOk | icewm |
| 21:49.13 | abrotman | xxl3w: erm .. aptitude .. not apt-get |
| 21:49.20 | Flimzy | Somebody suggest a secure ftpd to use on a ~1 hit/sec production site :) |
| 21:49.27 | Ankman | ssh -n -L ... |
| 21:49.30 | xxl3w | will rdesktop run with that? |
| 21:49.40 | abrotman | Flimzy: there isn't a secure ftpd .. it's insecure by nature |
| 21:49.40 | Flimzy | No, I'm wrong. closer to 10 hits/sec |
| 21:49.49 | xxl3w | is there a more stable version of rdesktop? for some reason rdesktop freezes after continuous use |
| 21:49.51 | peterS | Flimzy: we pretty much always tell people to use vsftpd these days |
| 21:50.00 | abrotman | or proftpd ... |
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| 21:50.06 | Flimzy | abrotman: I guess I should clarify secure to mean "non-exploitable" |
| 21:50.08 | abrotman | and thing but wsftpd :) |
| 21:50.13 | abrotman | erm .. anything |
| 21:50.30 | Flimzy | We're currently using wu-ftpd on a RH 7.3 machine... bleh |
| 21:50.31 | h3sp4wn | wuftpd is the bad one |
| 21:50.39 | Flimzy | peterS: okees. |
| 21:50.45 | peterS | wuftpd and proftpd are the bad ones |
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| 21:51.27 | rhalff | peterS: I wanna send a port from my laptop to the server, and I want to execute the command from my laptop. I think that last suggestion has to be initiated from the server to my laptop. |
| 21:51.44 | Xenguy | Flimzy: yeah, vsftpd is recommended |
| 21:51.46 | xxl3w | that aptitude command didn't work |
| 21:52.10 | peterS | rhalff: I have no idea what "my laptop" or "my server" mean. those are meaningless terms. and "send a port" could be taken two ways too. you have to be way more specific about what it is you want to do. |
| 21:52.10 | abrotman | Flimzy: erm .. yeah .. not that one |
| 21:52.15 | abrotman | peterS: you mean pureftpd ? |
| 21:52.22 | abrotman | xxl3w: are you root ? |
| 21:52.23 | jhr-online | xxl3w: command not found, or what? |
| 21:52.36 | peterS | abrotman: no, wuftpd and proftpd are the two I'd avoid because of their awful security records |
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| 21:52.49 | abrotman | i'd avoid wuftpd and pureftpd and use proftpd or vsftpd |
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| 21:53.10 | h3sp4wn | proftpd's security record is not that bad |
| 21:53.18 | Xenguy | abrotman: interesting, why is pureftpd on your list? |
| 21:53.31 | peterS | h3sp4wn: yeah just like sendmail's record. in the past few years it has been much better than before. |
| 21:54.03 | abrotman | Xenguy: bad! |
| 21:54.11 | peterS | h3sp4wn: but I have a long memory for some things. I still don't trust sendmail or proftpd because of their security legacies |
| 21:54.13 | Xenguy | abrotman: really, hrm |
| 21:54.39 | Xenguy | abrotman: any particular issue (security, or ...?) |
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| 21:54.48 | Ankman | piper69: you there? |
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| 21:55.25 | RAk | hey all |
| 21:55.36 | xxl3w | the command was found it just couldn't find the package |
| 21:55.43 | RAk | I installed php5.1, some applications need it |
| 21:56.01 | RAk | but now phpmyadmin stops with Fatal error: Call to undefined function ctype_digit() in /var/www/phpmyadmin/libraries/common.lib.php on line 2993 |
| 21:56.12 | jhr-online | xxl3w: which one? |
| 21:56.13 | RAk | any ideas what php5.1 package do I miss ? |
| 21:56.27 | xxl3w | fluxbox and x-window-system-core |
| 21:57.02 | xxl3w | or whatever |
| 21:57.20 | xxl3w | let me get the exact msg |
| 21:57.51 | peterS | RAk: according to http://php.net/ctype_digit that function should always be available in php |
| 21:58.02 | xxl3w | yea it couldnt find any packages named fluxbox or x-window-system-core |
| 21:58.45 | xxl3w | how do you setup mirrors? |
| 21:58.47 | jhr-online | xxl3w: you have etch in your sources.list? |
| 21:58.49 | xxl3w | i think that's the problem |
| 21:59.05 | xxl3w | when it asked me to setup the mirrors in install, i didn't do it |
| 21:59.16 | h3sp4wn | peterS: I probably have similar - never had much hassle with proftpd that I remember when I used it from 1999-2001 |
| 21:59.17 | xxl3w | where's sources.list located? |
| 21:59.24 | jhr-online | ah... you have a file: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:59.49 | rhalff | peter: I wanna make a local port available through ssh to a remote box, and the local box is behind a firewall. so the ssh connection needs to be initiated by the local box not the remote box. (read box as being server or laptop :p) |
| 21:59.52 | xxl3w | let me check, if it's not in there, i just type etch in there? |
| 22:00.01 | jhr-online | no... |
| 22:00.02 | peterS | h3sp4wn: well, security bugs are not "hassle" - you can go a long time without noticing that you have one. you only really notice when you investigate why your network bandwidth is so limited and discover a warez site on your server |
| 22:00.49 | peterS | rhalff: ok you want -R rather than -L then. -R 8081:localhost:8081 |
| 22:00.56 | jhr-online | xxl3w: what do you have in there? |
| 22:01.13 | xxl3w | ok, it has deb cdrom ....... |
| 22:01.37 | h3sp4wn | peterS: If you read the security advisories as part of your job and keep servers patched (I didn't have any compromised) then hassle is related (for me) in how often they are needed |
| 22:01.39 | rhalff | peterS: ah thanks, pff, sorry :) |
| 22:01.40 | jhr-online | and more? |
| 22:01.45 | xxl3w | then, deb http://security.debian.org |
| 22:01.49 | peterS | xxl3w: example sources.list for the debian mirror network: http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.sarge |
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| 22:01.58 | xxl3w | and deb-src http://sec....... |
| 22:02.08 | jhr-online | xxl3w: please copy the content to http://nopaste.debianforum.de/ |
| 22:02.24 | jhr-online | uhh... that's german |
| 22:02.34 | xxl3w | bah |
| 22:02.39 | xxl3w | i'm not on the system |
| 22:02.49 | peterS | yay, my apache log tells me someone in this channel is using MSIE 7. busted! |
| 22:02.50 | xxl3w | so i should comment out the cdrom comment? |
| 22:02.57 | xxl3w | and just have the deb, deb-source lines? |
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| 22:03.17 | maddash | xxl3w: that's ok, i think |
| 22:03.29 | ioerror | I'm trying to setup a preseed file and everything appears to work until the end when debian-installer tries to run the d-i preseed/late_command |
| 22:03.35 | sid | If I have a 2.4 ghz box with a gig of RAM, should downloading at a meg a second slow my machine down significantly? |
| 22:03.53 | xxl3w | well, it has etch/updates main contrib after the url |
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| 22:04.08 | peterS | sid: maybe if you're using a realtek 8139 or some similar piece of crap. not if you're using a real network card |
| 22:04.10 | jhr-online | xxl3w: that's fine |
| 22:04.10 | ioerror | Specifically, I'm trying to execute two things that help my system to boot. One is a simple echo megaraid_sas >> /etc/mkinitramfs/modules and the other is a mkinitramfs comamnd |
| 22:04.45 | jelly | hm, I can't get losetup to work... A naive losetup 256MB (that's the name of the file) had worked before, but now I get 256MB: [c004]:-1208395001 () offset -1208334768, xor encryption \n loop: can't get info on device 256MB: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 22:04.54 | sid | 02:05.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5702X Gigabit Ethernet (rev 02) |
| 22:04.56 | ioerror | I've tried both: |
| 22:04.56 | ioerror | d-i preseed/late command string in-target echo megaraid_sas > /etc/mkinitramfs/modules |
| 22:04.57 | xxl3w | hmmm |
| 22:04.57 | sid | That is what I have. |
| 22:05.09 | xxl3w | i wonder why it can't find fluxbox? |
| 22:05.22 | ioerror | and also: d-i preseed/late_command string apt-install openssh-server |
| 22:05.23 | peterS | sid: I don't know anything about that chip. I'm guessing the driver won't use significant CPU for a paltry 1 MB/s |
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| 22:05.48 | ioerror | Neither of those commands appear to affect /target at all. If I do the commands manually in a chroot of /target, all works |
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| 22:06.20 | peterS | ioerror: if you want to run something chrooted, tell the preseed file that you want it to run chrooted |
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| 22:07.15 | jhr-online | xxl3w: you should have somthing like that: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 22:07.47 | ioerror | peter isn't that the way that in-target works? Isn't it executed in the context of /target ? Is there a suggested way to do this beyond the in-target or apt-install? |
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| 22:08.33 | peterS | ioerror: I don't know that much about d-i preseeding. but I suspect preseed/late_command does not automatically chroot into /target, you have to say chroot /target apt-get install |
| 22:08.38 | maddash | xxl3w: pastebin your sources.list |
| 22:08.49 | ioerror | The example on debian.org is of: d-i preseed/late_command string apt-install zsh; in-target chsh -s /bin/zsh |
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| 22:09.16 | ioerror | So one would appear to install zsh into the /target and then to run a command in /target, you'd need to say in-target |
| 22:09.47 | ioerror | That's really the only solid example that I can find of those two commands anywhere, even the examples that joey has online aren't using in-target or apt-install |
| 22:09.54 | peterS | ioerror: I guess ... it seems you've looked at this way more recently than I have |
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| 22:11.40 | ioerror | peterS, Sadly, that may be the case :-( |
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| 22:12.15 | ioerror | peterS, do you know where the source is for the preseed packages included in the netboot image? I can go read the source |
| 22:12.27 | xxl3w | i believe that worked! |
| 22:12.37 | xxl3w | i had to apt-get update after i changed the sources.list |
| 22:12.40 | xxl3w | but it found fluxbox this time |
| 22:12.53 | jhr-online | xxl3w: well, yes :) |
| 22:13.12 | peterS | ioerror: the source for debian-installer as a whole can be pulled down via subversion: 'svn co svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/trunk' - but that's hundreds of megabytes |
| 22:13.39 | peterS | ...close to 200 MB of download, twice that for storage on your local disk |
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| 22:14.08 | olczyk | Hi. I'm runing sarge and am trying to upgrade my kde using synaptic. |
| 22:14.11 | olczyk | I get unresolved dependendency errors. |
| 22:14.26 | stew | olczyk: are you trying to mix stable with testing/unstable? |
| 22:14.49 | olczyk | Yeah. |
| 22:15.25 | olczyk | I'm tring to change over to unstable, because some packages need it. |
| 22:15.43 | stew | olczyk: you cannot mix stable and tesitng/unstable, use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:15.44 | peterS | ioerror: svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/trunk/installer/ is probably the meat of the preseeding system, but tendrils seem to be found all over the place |
| 22:15.46 | _THE_MAXX_ | hello, I am having trouble with the latest linux-image package |
| 22:15.53 | _THE_MAXX_ | the previous one (2.6.18-2-amd64) works for me |
| 22:16.02 | _THE_MAXX_ | but the latest one (as of now) does a kernel panic on boot :( |
| 22:16.10 | _THE_MAXX_ | I am running an Athlon x2 on a nForce4 motherboard |
| 22:16.17 | _THE_MAXX_ | any ideas? |
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| 22:16.55 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: what is the error? "VFS: cannot mount root"? or somethine similar? |
| 22:17.24 | _THE_MAXX_ | no, its something like "can't find init" |
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| 22:17.42 | _THE_MAXX_ | but I can boot on the previous kernel |
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| 22:17.46 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: you installed the kenrel with apt-get ? |
| 22:17.52 | _THE_MAXX_ | yes |
| 22:18.01 | ioerror | peterS, thank you |
| 22:18.03 | jhr-online | olczyk: what exactly are you trying to do? changing from sarge to unstable? |
| 22:18.05 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: which version of debian? |
| 22:18.15 | ioerror | peterS, do you happen to know of anyone who has personally done this? |
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| 22:18.28 | _THE_MAXX_ | AMD64 etch (or soon to be etch) |
| 22:18.30 | ioerror | It appears that joey is the d-i ninja but even he doesn't do commands in the chroot |
| 22:18.54 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: which initrd creator was used to create the initrd for the kernel? initramfs-tools? or yaird? |
| 22:18.54 | alexcamilo | Hello, does anyone know how to get to an emergency console in debian ppc? what option do i have to enter into yaboot? |
| 22:19.03 | peterS | ioerror: merely installing an extra package, which is what you originally seemed to want, doesn't seem like it should be all that hard |
| 22:19.15 | _THE_MAXX_ | I don't know what initrd is |
| 22:19.45 | peterS | _THE_MAXX_: well the question is whether you have 'yaird' or 'initramfs-tools' installed (or both) on your system |
| 22:19.45 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: do you have "initramfs-tools" installed, or do you have "yaird" installed? |
| 22:19.52 | _THE_MAXX_ | I ve upgraded kernel images often before and never used this |
| 22:20.04 | _THE_MAXX_ | I will look... |
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| 22:20.08 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: the kernel .deb uses one or the other |
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| 22:21.22 | _THE_MAXX_ | I have yaird installed |
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| 22:21.59 | _THE_MAXX_ | should i switch to the other one? |
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| 22:22.41 | peterS | _THE_MAXX_: I've had great success with yaird, but its internals are really ugly. certainly try installing initramfs-tools and uninstalling yaird, then 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-whatever-it-is' |
| 22:22.46 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: its what i would try. it would mean installing udev if you don't have it already (initramfs-tools uses udev.) which would cause other to cringe |
| 22:23.10 | ioerror | peterS, I have two issues, one is running commands in the chroot and the other is running apt-install (which should modify /target) |
| 22:23.11 | peterS | oh yeah, _that_'s why I'm stilling using yaird, it's the udev thing. |
| 22:23.27 | stew | yaird looks dead upstream however |
| 22:23.38 | _THE_MAXX_ | stew: i am doing that now |
| 22:23.48 | xand | grrr |
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| 22:23.54 | _THE_MAXX_ | what is wrong with udev? |
| 22:24.00 | xand | why is apt-get update hanging on this: |
| 22:24.15 | _THE_MAXX_ | I already had it installed (udev that is) |
| 22:24.19 | octoberdan | How can I tell whether I'm running sarge, etch, testing, or whatever? |
| 22:24.26 | xand | ffs i cant paste it |
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| 22:24.58 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: when udev was young, it caused a lot of problems for people. its not as much of a troublemaker as it used to be, but got of on the wrong foot with a LOT of people |
| 22:25.07 | xand | 99% [3 Packages gzip 5554287] |
| 22:25.16 | xand | that line... adn then does nothing else |
| 22:25.30 | peterS | octoberdan: 'cat /etc/debian_version' is a start |
| 22:25.36 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: its the thing that it making it such that your /dev directory tries to reflect that actual available devices on your machine, instead of just having every possible device in /dev |
| 22:25.52 | octoberdan | peterS: 4.0 |
| 22:25.58 | octoberdan | 4.0 by Linux-Systeme |
| 22:26.03 | peterS | octoberdan: so that's either etch or sid (both report 4.0 at the moment) |
| 22:26.20 | octoberdan | peterS: What's the difference between the two? |
| 22:26.32 | _THE_MAXX_ | OK, i am going to reboot now () |
| 22:26.33 | peterS | octoberdan: sid is the unstable branch. etch is frozen and will soon be released as stable. |
| 22:26.39 | _THE_MAXX_ | <= crosses fingers |
| 22:26.45 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: you did dpkg-reconfigure, right? |
| 22:26.48 | _THE_MAXX_ | yes |
| 22:26.58 | stew | good |
| 22:26.59 | _THE_MAXX_ | it said something about ramfs too |
| 22:27.10 | _THE_MAXX_ | so I guess it worked it's magic |
| 22:27.23 | octoberdan | peterS: Thank you for the information, I appreciat it! |
| 22:27.27 | _THE_MAXX_ | bye, see you on the other side |
| 22:27.36 | _THE_MAXX_ | thanks stew |
| 22:27.41 | ryengoth | friday.. yay |
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| 22:30.32 | _THE_MAXX_ | doh! that didn't work |
| 22:30.43 | _THE_MAXX_ | however, i got a different message |
| 22:30.51 | peterS | _THE_MAXX_: do tell |
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| 22:31.14 | _THE_MAXX_ | I/O error while reading swsusp (or something like that) |
| 22:31.30 | peterS | _THE_MAXX_: are you using swswap, then? |
| 22:31.34 | peterS | I mean swsusp |
| 22:31.44 | _THE_MAXX_ | i don't even know what that is |
| 22:31.56 | peterS | _THE_MAXX_: 'software suspend' - meaning, suspend-to-disk |
| 22:31.58 | _THE_MAXX_ | i'll look to see if the package is installed |
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| 22:32.22 | _THE_MAXX_ | i don't need that, that's for sure |
| 22:33.11 | pickcoder | abrotman: captioned pr0n? |
| 22:33.26 | _THE_MAXX_ | it's not installed |
| 22:33.32 | _THE_MAXX_ | should i install it? |
| 22:33.45 | peterS | _THE_MAXX_: no ... I wonder why it tried to use it though |
| 22:34.01 | _THE_MAXX_ | beats me |
| 22:34.03 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: swsusp is in the kernel; if /sys/power/state contains 'disk', you have swsusp support |
| 22:34.29 | peterS | it should only try to resume from suspend if you pass it an appropriate boot flag, though, right? |
| 22:34.41 | _THE_MAXX_ | it is there |
| 22:35.14 | _THE_MAXX_ | maybe if i install the package it will help it along... |
| 22:35.40 | _THE_MAXX_ | i mean "disk" is in /sys/power/state |
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| 22:36.24 | peterS | _THE_MAXX_: I don't know why it would try to resume from suspend without being told to boot that way. there's no mention of anything like this in /boot/grub/menu.lst, is there? |
| 22:36.46 | _THE_MAXX_ | no, i just looked |
| 22:37.01 | amphi | peterS: it looks for a signature in the swap partition; you need a resume=/dev/foo on the kernel command line if the swap device to use is not specified in the kernel config |
| 22:37.07 | stew | iirc, swsusp had you actually modifying initrd scripts |
| 22:37.21 | stew | don't know if it was done in a way that would affect a not yet installed initramfs-tools though |
| 22:37.24 | amphi | peterS: there is a flag to prevent it resuming, noresume? |
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| 22:38.29 | peterS | amphi: I can't afford a laptop, so I have basically no experience with swsusp |
| 22:38.37 | amphi | uhuh |
| 22:38.40 | _THE_MAXX_ | i'm not even running a laptop (doh!) |
| 22:39.09 | peterS | not that swsusp doesn't work on machines other than laptops! but I don't have a need for it, as my machine is pretty much powered on 24 hours |
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| 22:39.29 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: no reason not to use it on a desktop, it's a nice substitute for shutting down (assuming you ever do shut down your machine) |
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| 22:39.51 | _THE_MAXX_ | i just turn it off. It boots pretty fast |
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| 22:40.17 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: did you remove yaird? (what I'm getting at is, are we sure that initramfs-tools and not yaird was used to createthe initrd when you ran dpkg-reconfigure) |
| 22:40.18 | maddash | everytime i `sudo killall wdm`, my display goes blank and the entire system becomes unresponsive. wtf? |
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| 22:40.31 | _THE_MAXX_ | i didn't remove yarid |
| 22:40.32 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: for me, it's not a question of boot time, but all the other crap I have running/open |
| 22:40.48 | _THE_MAXX_ | i am scared i might not be able to boot the old kernel if i do |
| 22:41.13 | peterS | _THE_MAXX_: no worries, yaird is only used to generate the initrd image - which has already been done for your other kernel image |
| 22:41.35 | peterS | _THE_MAXX_: 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-whatever' is the only point in time where yaird/initramfs-tools is used |
| 22:41.44 | _THE_MAXX_ | when i did the dpkg-reconfigure, it said it used ramfs |
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| 22:41.51 | peterS | oh ok |
| 22:42.14 | _THE_MAXX_ | i can do it again and give you the msg |
| 22:42.48 | _THE_MAXX_ | Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk. |
| 22:42.48 | _THE_MAXX_ | Other valid candidates: mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
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| 22:48.48 | _THE_MAXX_ | i tried installing the software suspend package, but that didn't change anything |
| 22:49.06 | _THE_MAXX_ | I am out of ideas |
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| 22:49.29 | peterS | it's a weird problem. the boot process should _not_ be trying to resume from a suspend state. |
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| 22:50.01 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: I'm not sure what the swsusp package does; 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' makes mine suspend to disk |
| 22:50.27 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: try appending 'noresume' to the kernel command line |
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| 22:52.32 | _THE_MAXX_ | after "ro" |
| 22:52.33 | _THE_MAXX_ | ? |
| 22:52.38 | peterS | sure, after ro is fine |
| 22:52.38 | _THE_MAXX_ | like so: |
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| 22:52.57 | _THE_MAXX_ | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-amd64 root=/dev/sda2 ro noresume |
| 22:53.13 | BUMBACL0T | what is one or the strongest encryption? |
| 22:53.26 | _THE_MAXX_ | here it goes... |
| 22:53.30 | peterS | _THE_MAXX_: sure or just edit the line at boot time, grub lets you do this if you ask nicely (the 'e' key) |
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| 22:53.50 | Ronin | BUMBACL0T: what is the one what? |
| 22:53.59 | amphi | BUMBACL0T: rot52 |
| 22:54.00 | BUMBACL0T | encryption |
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| 22:54.23 | amphi | 4x more powerful than rot13 |
| 22:54.50 | BUMBACL0T | ok, here's the list: Twofish, CAST5, Serpent, AES, Blowfish, and Triple DES |
| 22:55.47 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: they are all adequately strong. AES and Triple-DES have been endorsed by the National Institue of Science and Technology of the United States Government, the others are just as good but haven't |
| 22:57.44 | intruder | i got a onboard SIS video card, and an Nvidia FX5200 on an agp slot, i can't see my onboard video from from lspci, and there is no "enable built-in video card" option in the bios, does anyone have a clue ? |
| 22:57.59 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: if you want to choose between AES and 3DES, AES is quite a lot faster |
| 22:58.26 | pickcoder | was AES ever approved for Visa card data encryption? |
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| 22:59.46 | simonrvn | aes is stronger, tmk, too |
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| 23:00.44 | pickcoder | intruder: maybe your CMOS automatically disables the onboard when you plug in a video card |
| 23:00.47 | _THE_MAXX_ | wow, that worked |
| 23:00.51 | _THE_MAXX_ | wierd |
| 23:01.16 | _THE_MAXX_ | but now gaim is acting up |
| 23:01.22 | pickcoder | intruder: I know many motherboards that used to do that and you had use one or the other |
| 23:01.38 | intruder | hrm that is really gay |
| 23:01.45 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: noresume did the trick? |
| 23:01.51 | intruder | then how do they expect i can use a dual-head :P |
| 23:01.52 | _THE_MAXX_ | yep |
| 23:01.53 | pickcoder | a work around would be to get a PCI version of the card |
| 23:01.56 | _THE_MAXX_ | strange no? |
| 23:02.01 | stew | intruder: don't use the word gay in that way in here, its offensive to some |
| 23:02.10 | peterS | simonrvn: aes can be stronger - you can pick different key lengths, I guess 3DES only uses a 168-bit key (or 3 different 56-bit keys, if you prefer) |
| 23:02.32 | _THE_MAXX_ | thanks for the help stew |
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| 23:02.43 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: see if running mkswap on your swap partition lets you reboot ok without 'noresume' perhaps |
| 23:02.55 | _THE_MAXX_ | i wonder if i can remove the option "noresume" now |
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| 23:03.21 | pickcoder | intruder: or buy a dual-head AGP card.. |
| 23:03.29 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: I can only presume that for some reason there was a swsusp signature in your swap partition |
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| 23:04.49 | simonrvn | mm |
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| 23:06.08 | _THE_MAXX_ | i'll try rebooting like that |
| 23:06.15 | _THE_MAXX_ | see if it works |
| 23:06.25 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: you mkswap'd ? |
| 23:06.37 | _THE_MAXX_ | by the way, anybody using the bt2500 wifi card? |
| 23:06.45 | _THE_MAXX_ | i mean rt2500 |
| 23:07.01 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: a friend of mine has one, it works |
| 23:07.07 | _THE_MAXX_ | amphi: yes, and i removed the "noresume" |
| 23:07.11 | burd | _THE_MAXX_, yes I am |
| 23:07.35 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: the driver was easy to build outside the tree; it may be in the etch kernel, I'm not sure |
| 23:07.41 | _THE_MAXX_ | i am using the rt2500 legacy driver, but i can't get the rt2x00 driver to work |
| 23:08.14 | _THE_MAXX_ | the two drivers are in seperat source packages (in etch) |
| 23:08.17 | burd | _THE_MAXX_, I've used both, currently I am using the dirvers used by debian |
| 23:08.33 | burd | _THE_MAXX_, oops i thought you meant the manu driver |
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| 23:09.16 | _THE_MAXX_ | ok, here goes another reboot |
| 23:09.18 | _THE_MAXX_ | ... |
| 23:09.20 | burd | _THE_MAXX_, here's how I do it, you have to have the rt2500 package installed, not the module package, then use m-a to build the module, load it and good to go |
| 23:09.37 | _THE_MAXX_ | that worked for me too |
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| 23:09.49 | maddash | what's up with my font? ever since i switched from wdm to xdm (about 20 minutes ago), everything (gtk 1/2 fonts) seems bigger |
| 23:09.56 | _THE_MAXX_ | but i want to use the rt2x00 module not the rt2500 |
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| 23:10.12 | burd | _THE_MAXX_, is there a difference? |
| 23:10.35 | BUMBACL0T | do i even need encryption? i mean i don't have anything important like my personal infos, etc. i use this jump drive for my school, like saving powerpoint, etc. but still though, i just want my thing protected. |
| 23:11.00 | _THE_MAXX_ | yes, the rt2500 is the legacy driver, rt2x00 is reimplemented on the devicescape 802.11 stack |
| 23:11.31 | _THE_MAXX_ | you can look it up on the rt2x00 web page |
| 23:12.07 | _THE_MAXX_ | oh, well, i guess i will solve that another time... |
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| 23:16.33 | _THE_MAXX_ | i doesn't work without the "noresume" |
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| 23:18.12 | stew | _THE_MAXX_: does "grep -ir swsusp /etc/initramfs-tools/" return any matches? |
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| 23:19.11 | foormea | hey all. i'm running ubuntu edgy but since people on ubuntu chans are not replying to my question, i'm asking here, hope you don't mind :D is it hal that is responsible for automounting usb thumbdrives (or whatever that's hotplugged really) to /media/usbdisk or such? |
| 23:19.12 | _THE_MAXX_ | no |
| 23:19.41 | _THE_MAXX_ | i mean stew: no |
| 23:19.48 | burd | NONE of our sarge machines show the proper DST dates after upgrading and rebooting |
| 23:19.51 | DocPlatypus | foormea: generally that's your desktop environment from what I've seen, though it does call pmount-hal |
| 23:20.05 | stew | burd: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: ? |
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| 23:20.38 | burd | Installed: 2.3.5-11 |
| 23:20.49 | burd | hmm why |
| 23:20.52 | foormea | ohhhh okay DocPlatypus thanks for the tip that should be enough for me. i tried to read doc about hal but couldn't find much, and the example conf file is not exactly helpful :D (or i'm just dumb :8) |
| 23:21.16 | stew | burd: you aren't running sarge then you are running an out of date testing |
| 23:21.31 | burd | k |
| 23:21.37 | burd | somebody messed with it |
| 23:21.44 | burd | two of em lol |
| 23:21.53 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: really? even after doing mkswap? |
| 23:22.15 | _THE_MAXX_ | yep |
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| 23:23.20 | _THE_MAXX_ | on the other had, i was expecting mkswap to run a bit longer than it did |
| 23:23.30 | foormea | oh but wait DocPlatypus, my usb thumbdrives will be mounted during boot up when "mounting local filesystems". however i've checked the mountall.sh in rcS.d and it normally doesn't mount vfat partitions... no call to pmount in rcS.d or rc2.d (current runlevel)... any idea? |
| 23:23.56 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: how did you shutdown? |
| 23:24.09 | _THE_MAXX_ | i typed "reboot" |
| 23:24.11 | DocPlatypus | foormea: beyond me, that you would need to ask in an Ubuntu channel |
| 23:24.15 | _THE_MAXX_ | as su |
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| 23:24.48 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: how very odd |
| 23:25.13 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: I would just leave noresume on the kernel command line |
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| 23:25.38 | amphi | _THE_MAXX_: unless you want to use swsusp, in which case you have to solve the conundrum ;) |
| 23:25.47 | foormea | DocPlatypus, okay, i understand :) thanks for your help though |
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| 23:27.08 | _THE_MAXX_ | i guess i'll do that |
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| 23:27.33 | _THE_MAXX_ | k, i am off bye all |
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| 23:31.00 | dav_ | elo |
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| 23:32.29 | dav_ | i want to install latest weekly build on my laptop, i just have a question about y wifi card, i read that wifi is not recognized for entinstall but if i install it from the dvd will my wifi card be recognized ( normally recognized on live cd like knoppix backtrack etc... (Netgear WG511T)) |
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| 23:32.45 | dav_ | s/entinstall/netinstall |
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| 23:33.22 | mateuszk | Hi |
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| 23:36.56 | zrin | there is a problem with the partitioner in the current d-i, it sets wrong type for raid partitions (83 instead of fd) |
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| 23:37.45 | un1xer | hi |
| 23:37.46 | Romeo- | colateral123 |
| 23:38.03 | zamaliphe | i have install the spca5xx-modules-2.6.18-4-686 AND gspca-modules-2.6.18-4-686 what else i need to make my web came work ? |
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| 23:42.33 | Delicates | is there a way to enable XD (NX bit) on Prescott? |
| 23:42.41 | haggz | I'm trying to use the dst change to encourage my clients to switch to non-clock based administration, but I'm making no headway whatsoever. Sigh. |
| 23:43.15 | abrotman | Delicates: ask #hardware |
| 23:43.17 | dondelelcaro | non clock based administration? |
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| 23:44.15 | londo4 | Hallo everyone, I need some help! |
| 23:44.29 | bzed | !anyone |
| 23:44.29 | Delicates | abrotman: they don't do software |
| 23:44.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:44.50 | abrotman | Delicates: the prescott is a CPU |
| 23:44.51 | haggz | dondelelcaro: yea, it means using a different method other than clock-based timestamps to index information and organize employee activities. Its kind of OT-here but these dst issues demonstrate why alternatives to clock-synchronization are important. |
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| 23:45.09 | dondelelcaro | haggz: there's nothing wrong with using clock based timestamps |
| 23:45.19 | dondelelcaro | haggz: the problem is when you're using non-UTC timestamps |
| 23:45.40 | Delicates | abrotman: and utilisation of that CPU is software domain |
| 23:45.47 | zamaliphe | sorry for the unstable connection :D |
| 23:45.49 | abrotman | the NX bit is hardware |
| 23:45.57 | vn- | are you talking about the TZ changes? |
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| 23:46.06 | un1xer | hi! |
| 23:46.09 | vn- | for dst |
| 23:46.09 | dondelelcaro | vn-: to some extent |
| 23:46.15 | vn- | k |
| 23:46.16 | londo4 | I have 4 group and I want to make users to it but users they have to use one directory |
| 23:46.27 | vn- | had to deal with this |
| 23:46.31 | vn- | especially outlook... |
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| 23:46.56 | zamaliphe | i have install the spca5xx-modules-2.6.18-4-686 AND gspca-modules-2.6.18-4-686 what else i need to make my web cam work ??? |
| 23:46.57 | haggz | dondelelcaro: I agree that if everything and everyone actually WAS correctly using UST that would solve a lot of problems, but in the world I deal with (small and home based business often run by part-time managers) time issues are completely chaotic. |
| 23:47.06 | Delicates | is there a way to enable NX bit support in kernel without 64bit support? |
| 23:47.07 | londo4 | help help, how to make a user? |
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| 23:47.16 | dondelelcaro | londo4: adduser |
| 23:47.16 | vn- | useradd |
| 23:47.20 | vn- | or adduser |
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| 23:48.03 | dondelelcaro | haggz: yuck. |
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| 23:48.27 | londo4 | dondelelcaro I have 4 group, and mkdir on myn root directory |
| 23:49.15 | londo4 | I want users to use the directory that I make to be they home directory |
| 23:49.45 | dondelelcaro | londo4: you're not making any sense, unfortunatly. |
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| 23:52.30 | abrotman | Delicates: your cpu has to support it |
| 23:52.38 | vn- | londo4: then use the home directory switch to spwcify it.. |
| 23:52.39 | londo4 | dondelelcaro you know what, I have 4 groups with user on there, but I don`t want the user from the 4 groups to use the root home directory |
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| 23:53.05 | Ndp | why if i do nmap -A localhost i get "Service Info: OS: OpenBSD" when i use debian/linux? |
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| 23:53.28 | vn- | because OS fingerprinting ain't a precise science? |
| 23:53.42 | solemnwarning | Can I start dhcp3-server without writing a subnet for each network card? |
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| 23:54.04 | solemnwarning | It keeps complaining that I don't have a subnet second for the card my cable modem is on |
| 23:54.09 | solemnwarning | *section |
| 23:54.31 | londo4 | vn I`m new on linux enviroment, how can I do that? |
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| 23:54.46 | vn- | londo4: man adduser |
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| 23:55.12 | londo4 | Ok |
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| 23:59.31 | frosh68 | hi folks |
| 23:59.38 | un1xer | hi |
