| 00:00.01 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 00:00.39 | virtuald | i just broke luks in the initram on a remote computer, when i get there can i use the install cd to fix it? or do i need someting else? |
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| 00:02.18 | \amethyst | Hotwire: in the control center, you can do Regional and Accessibility, and change your keyboard layout |
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| 00:03.20 | mue_ | i am using xorg and mergedfb mode, how can force applications to be started on 1st screen/monitor? |
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| 00:05.35 | g333k_laptop | Where is the file where are the NICs with their MAC address? wasnt it /etc/iftab ? |
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| 00:07.36 | wols | g333k_laptop: interfaces |
| 00:08.09 | g333k_laptop | wols, no there is no MAC address info |
| 00:08.12 | simonrvn | iftab too, also networks |
| 00:08.30 | g333k_laptop | simonrvn, I dont have the iftab file |
| 00:08.33 | simonrvn | s,too,, |
| 00:08.37 | simonrvn | so you make it |
| 00:08.37 | \amethyst | iftab is part of ifrename |
| 00:09.02 | simonrvn | no.... i'm thinking /etc/ethers ... nm me |
| 00:09.04 | wols | g333k_laptop: what do you want to do? set a special MAC address? |
| 00:09.34 | g333k_laptop | wols, I want to change the MAC addres of my NIC |
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| 00:10.00 | wols | hwaddress in interfaces |
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| 00:10.03 | simonrvn | it won't do it via a file |
| 00:10.16 | g333k_laptop | wols, I mean the MAC that debian think is correct, you know when you clone hard disks, the MAC address of the NICs doesnt update automatically |
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| 00:10.27 | g333k_laptop | simonrvn, how then? |
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| 00:10.55 | simonrvn | i can't remember the details, either ifconfig or ethtool does it |
| 00:11.03 | wols | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/501 |
| 00:11.04 | x_link | Can I get something that looks like Mac OSX bar with apt? |
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| 00:11.23 | simonrvn | kde has such eye candy |
| 00:11.24 | x_link | I really when you drag your mousecursor over icons they will pop up. |
| 00:11.27 | wols | this clearly says you can change your MAC to whatever in /etc/network/interfaces with a hwaddress eter ... line |
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| 00:11.33 | x_link | simonrvn: I use KDE, but I don't know how/where to getit |
| 00:11.42 | wols | x_link: kde-look.org |
| 00:11.49 | \amethyst | x_link: gnustep maybe |
| 00:12.18 | x_link | \amethyst: Can I get that with apt-get? |
| 00:12.27 | wols | \amethyst: it's part of wmaker. so not really for kde |
| 00:12.35 | x_link | Yeah.. apt-get woked |
| 00:12.40 | xingu | shipping cloned systems preprogrammed with the *same* mac address doesn't seem big or clever |
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| 00:13.14 | x_link | \amethyst: What should I do when I installed it? |
| 00:13.17 | x_link | Downlaoded it even |
| 00:13.29 | \amethyst | x_link: It's another environment like KDE |
| 00:13.33 | wols | x_link: gnustep will replace kde |
| 00:13.43 | x_link | ohh no |
| 00:13.47 | x_link | I don't want that |
| 00:13.49 | \amethyst | x_link: Except it's more like nextstep or OS X |
| 00:13.49 | wols | and I daresay you woN#t like gnustep compared to kde |
| 00:14.04 | g333k_laptop | Now, how do I know what MAC address debian has registered/assigned for my NIC? |
| 00:14.12 | \amethyst | can you run the gnustep dock without the wm? |
| 00:14.13 | wols | g333k_laptop: run ifconfig |
| 00:14.32 | wols | it has not assigned anything cause every NIC has a default MAC. usually unique |
| 00:14.43 | Nwallins|home | where is the best information regarding installing a more recent kernel (2.6.19+), potentially customized to hardware? |
| 00:14.47 | wols | \amethyst: I already told you, the dock is part of wmaker |
| 00:14.52 | g333k_laptop | why I could lost my internet connection after an upgrade? |
| 00:14.56 | \amethyst | g333k_laptop: Debian doesn't assign MAC addresses unless you specifically tell it to |
| 00:15.21 | tyler | can an ipod be loaded with mp3 and be played??? or is i-tunes music files different from mp3's |
| 00:15.23 | \amethyst | g333k_laptop: Same network card you used to have? |
| 00:15.25 | wols | g333k_laptop: if you didn't tinker with the MAC before, not cause it changed. I am certain of that |
| 00:15.32 | wols | debian doesn't tinker with MACs on its own |
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| 00:15.36 | freemind | hello |
| 00:15.48 | Nwallins|home | btw, i am on etch, amd64 |
| 00:15.56 | Gorgapor | hello, I'm trying to find a command line utility that could help me figure out which files in a particular directory are being modified. I found the inotify library, but i don't seem to see any command line bindings for it. can anyone help? |
| 00:16.01 | wols | tyler: ipods can use different music formats. it can use mp3s too |
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| 00:16.23 | freemind | what about the linux-kbuild package, how can I build the package from custom kernel-source? I alreadyy got kernel-image and kernel-headers - do I need kbuild package too for upgrading the system? |
| 00:16.35 | wols | freemind: you want kernel-package |
| 00:16.45 | xingu | Gorgapor: maybe try fam |
| 00:16.49 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: Do you want to be notified as they're changed, or do you just want to see which ones are currently open read-write? |
| 00:16.52 | wols | if you have kernel-image you have a new kernel already |
| 00:16.52 | freemind | I already created image and headers with make-kpkg :) |
| 00:17.07 | Gorgapor | xingu, i'll research fam and see if it's what i need, thx |
| 00:17.09 | freemind | okay, so what about kbuild package? what is it for? |
| 00:17.10 | wols | freemind: so install them with dpkg and you're done |
| 00:17.19 | Gorgapor | \amethyst, notified when they change |
| 00:17.46 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: you might want to look at inotify-tools, too, paraticulary inotifywait |
| 00:18.01 | virtuald | anyone know of a rescue cd with cryptsetup with luks and sshd? |
| 00:18.03 | freemind | wols, do you know what the "linux-kbuild" package is for? |
| 00:18.07 | Gorgapor | \amethyst, thx, i'll research that as well |
| 00:18.08 | wols | freemind: no |
| 00:18.10 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: if you're looking for something to use in a shell script or something |
| 00:18.18 | wols | freemind: you certainly don't need it |
| 00:18.33 | \amethyst | g333k_laptop: When you upgraded, did you change network cards? |
| 00:18.33 | freemind | wols, okay, thank you so far :) |
| 00:18.58 | g333k_laptop | \amethyst, noup |
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| 00:20.43 | pickcoder | gah.. after a bit of BIOS drive setting shuffles I got things moved over |
| 00:21.15 | pickcoder | something strange with this Gateway box is that disabling the drives in BIOS did not really disable them.. Debian still saw them and booted from them |
| 00:21.19 | Nwallins|home | any recommended reading for doing kernel customization on debian? |
| 00:21.26 | pickcoder | sounds like a BIOS problem |
| 00:22.08 | \amethyst | Nwallins|home: The kernel-package package and its documentation |
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| 00:22.28 | Quieroinstalldeb | i am banned in debian-es |
| 00:22.29 | Quieroinstalldeb | why? |
| 00:22.30 | Nwallins|home | \amethyst: great, thanks |
| 00:23.22 | Nwallins|home | \amethyst: will that cover upgrading 2.6.18-4 (latest in etch) to 2.6.19+ ? |
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| 00:24.20 | JordiGH | To what package should I submit bugs concerning the graphical installer? These yes/no radio buttons as a concept have to go. |
| 00:24.46 | Nwallins|home | \amethyst: I see it does :) |
| 00:25.08 | \amethyst | Nwallins|home: you might want to look at module-assistant, too, if you're using any third-party modules |
| 00:25.16 | pickcoder | JordiGH: replace them with what? |
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| 00:25.38 | Nwallins|home | \amethyst: I'm not, but perhaps I should be. what is spurring this is that lm-sensors is not detecting all of my monitoring hardware |
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| 00:26.08 | x_link | I just installed something with dpkg -i. How do I removeit? |
| 00:26.34 | \amethyst | x_link: apt-get remove --purge packagename |
| 00:27.01 | g333k_laptop | x_link, man dpkg |
| 00:27.04 | JordiGH | pickcoder: replace them with a description of the action that will ensue. Think GNOME human interface guidelines. |
| 00:27.07 | x_link | ok |
| 00:27.22 | Nwallins|home | I ran this hardware under ubuntu server, and managed to get everything mostly detected. some of the purported chip assignments didn't match docs, but I could get a decent handle on things. since installing etch however, only one chip is properly recognized. sensors-detect found k8temp, but apparently that module is only in 2.6.19 |
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| 00:29.34 | Nwallins|home | any suggestions for a kernel source? 2.6.20 from kernel.org? |
| 00:29.47 | Spaceghost2 | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 00:33.02 | Nwallins|home | welp, here goes 2.6.20.2 |
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| 00:34.06 | Gorgapor | so i'm looking at fam, and i can't really figure out how to use it from a command line. what's the best way to do that? |
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| 00:37.55 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: there are perl, python, etc interfaces for fam, but I don't know about shell |
| 00:38.04 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: |
| 00:38.40 | Gorgapor | hmm, well i guess i'll try out inotify-tools then |
| 00:38.57 | Gorgapor | it just seems like this would be a common task with a simple solution, and that i'm missing something obvious |
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| 00:39.25 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: You might want to try inotify-tools or fileschanged |
| 00:39.36 | Gorgapor | thx |
| 00:39.57 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: fileschanged has more features I think |
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| 00:40.45 | Gorgapor | ok, i'll check it out |
| 00:40.47 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: fileschanged requires FAM |
| 00:40.53 | Gorgapor | gah |
| 00:40.58 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: FAM is the server |
| 00:41.17 | Gorgapor | would GAMIN be an acceptable replacement? |
| 00:41.20 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: yes |
| 00:41.21 | Gorgapor | that's what's already on my system |
| 00:41.23 | Gorgapor | ok good |
| 00:41.30 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: depeneds on fam | gamin |
| 00:41.39 | SpeS | configure.ac:26: required file `./config.rpath' not found |
| 00:41.43 | SpeS | what can be the problem? |
| 00:41.48 | SpeS | doing autogen.sh... |
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| 00:43.24 | \amethyst | Gorgapor: fileschanged doesn't give you a way to listen for reads that I can see |
| 00:43.43 | Gorgapor | that's fine though |
| 00:43.54 | Gorgapor | it seems to fit my needs very well, thankyou a bunch |
| 00:43.59 | \amethyst | np |
| 00:44.20 | n3kl_ | I have an hp psc1350 scanner that I cant get to work. i have installed xsane, when I run it, xsane fails to connect to the device. Is there a tutorial anyone has out there or something? |
| 00:45.22 | \amethyst | n3kl_: have you searched the web for the error message and your scanner model? |
| 00:46.09 | wols | n3kl_: have you installed sane itself? |
| 00:46.13 | wols | xsane is only a frontend |
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| 00:46.18 | kik | hi |
| 00:46.25 | \amethyst | n3kl_: do you have 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:46.33 | n3kl_ | \amethyst: yes, no luck. yes 2.6 kernel |
| 00:46.37 | n3kl_ | wols: yes |
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| 00:46.43 | dav_ | elo |
| 00:46.51 | kik | is anyone know a way to have libgtk2-ruby 0.16 on debian without compiling itt? |
| 00:46.54 | n3kl_ | I know I have done this before, but it was so long ago... |
| 00:47.05 | wols | !tell kik about search |
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| 00:47.15 | dav_ | i just installed windows, and reinstall grub :) but now i can't boot windows :( i don't know why |
| 00:47.29 | n3kl_ | dav_: grub entry |
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| 00:47.48 | dav_ | always have error i tried to cofnigure menu.lst with root hd, because win is installed on /dev/hda but it doesn't work |
| 00:48.15 | kik | wols: I'm not a debian user, I've got a bug from an user of an app of mine and it seems to be relative to libgtk2-ruby 0.15 |
| 00:48.28 | dav_ | itcouldn't be because win is installed in ntfs ? |
| 00:48.33 | wols | kik: I still gave you the info you need |
| 00:48.48 | wols | " Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system." |
| 00:48.49 | arrenlex | In apt build, what arch should I choose if I have Intel Core Duo? Choices are (p==pentium): p, p-mmx, ppro, p2, p3, p3m, p-m, p4, p4m, prescott and nocona. |
| 00:49.13 | wols | arrenlex: p-m, p4 |
| 00:49.20 | arrenlex | wols: Which? |
| 00:49.26 | wols | doesn't really matter |
| 00:49.34 | kik | wols: ok thx, I'm gonna give it a try, but I've already search those |
| 00:49.38 | arrenlex | Okay, thanks. |
| 00:49.40 | wols | no, use prescott (sse3) |
| 00:49.44 | arrenlex | xD |
| 00:50.03 | wols | p-m and p4 might not have sse3 depending on model |
| 00:50.17 | arrenlex | wols: cat /proc/cpuinfo only lists sse and sse2 for my cpu. |
| 00:50.21 | wols | arrenlex: but honestly, it won't matter |
| 00:50.27 | wols | then you don't have a C2D |
| 00:50.37 | arrenlex | wols: I didn't say I did. I said a core duo. |
| 00:50.53 | wols | srry. but still it should have SSe§ |
| 00:50.56 | wols | SSE3 |
| 00:51.23 | wols | not should. does actually |
| 00:51.43 | wols | what is cpu family, model and stepping in cpuinfo? |
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| 00:52.38 | arrenlex | wols: http://arrenlex.ls.la/cpuinfo |
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| 00:53.10 | arrenlex | wols: If that's slow, http://68.148.168.84:8001/cpuinfo |
| 00:53.10 | Nwallins|home | is /var/cache a good place to store state for a user program? |
| 00:53.40 | arrenlex | wols: (1000Mhz because of frequency scaling by powersaved) |
| 00:54.19 | wols | arrenlex: but it has SSE3, or is at least supposed to |
| 00:54.22 | abrotman | Nwallins|home: probably /tmp/ is better .. or in $HOME |
| 00:54.34 | Nwallins|home | like let's say you poll once an hour for an update, and just update the file, and read from the file always |
| 00:54.42 | wols | but: those 13 instructions won't make a difference. so you can use pentium-m without any problem |
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| 00:55.00 | Nwallins|home | abrotman: yeah, makes sense |
| 00:55.09 | arrenlex | wols: Okay... I just wanted to use strong optimisation so I wanted the closest thing. |
| 00:55.34 | pickcoder | Nwallins|home: just make sure you don't have some kind of autocleaner running on /tmp/ |
| 00:55.36 | wols | arrenlex: what are you compiling? |
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| 00:56.01 | pickcoder | Nwallins|home: you could always put the file in the user's ~ |
| 00:56.08 | arrenlex | wols: I'm modifying hal and kdebase with tabletpc patches from suse so they show xvkbd on login\lock. |
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| 00:56.16 | Nwallins|home | pickcoder: yeah |
| 00:57.13 | vick | is there something for viewing microsoft powerpoint, word document other than openoffice [being a little leighweight] if possible ? |
| 00:57.20 | abrotman | pickcoder: i said that! |
| 00:57.29 | abrotman | koffice perhaps |
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| 00:57.48 | vick | abrotman, lightweight than openoffice ? |
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| 00:57.53 | pickcoder | abrotman: no you didn't.. you said $HOME |
| 00:57.56 | pickcoder | <g. |
| 00:58.35 | vick | abrotman, thanks. |
| 00:58.46 | \amethyst | arrenlex: Found your answer |
| 00:58.57 | \amethyst | arrenlex: The "pni" CPU flag is sse3 |
| 00:59.05 | \amethyst | arrenlex: prescott new instructions |
| 00:59.07 | loca| | how to let xmms play mp3 files ? |
| 00:59.22 | wols | simply open them? |
| 00:59.28 | arrenlex | \amethyst: Thanks! So I should choose prescott then? |
| 00:59.30 | DocPlatypus | you probably need to go grab the plugin |
| 00:59.33 | \amethyst | arrenlex: Yes |
| 00:59.41 | arrenlex | \amethyst: Okay, thanks! |
| 00:59.47 | freemind | is someone using backported images vom kenshi muto? |
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| 00:59.57 | \amethyst | !sse3 |
| 01:00.12 | wols | mpg123 |
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| 01:00.30 | abrotman | pickcoder: don't make me hit you! |
| 01:00.42 | wols | chickfight? |
| 01:00.47 | wols | -y |
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| 01:03.42 | wols | !anyone uses kmuto installers |
| 01:03.43 | g3brown | I'm executed commands on remote machine via ssh in an bash script. Is there a syntax to login an then issue commands then exit. RIght now I ssh each command on a seperate line. |
| 01:04.21 | dondelelcaro | g3brown: ssh foohost sh -c 'bleh; blah; blearg;' |
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| 01:05.21 | g3brown | dondelelcaro: cool, thanks (again) |
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| 01:11.38 | bzed | freemind: |
| 01:11.41 | bzed | !seen someone |
| 01:11.41 | dpkg | someone <i=foobar@p54A5E970.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 122d 53m 36s ago, saying: 'vegans are crazy'. |
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| 01:11.55 | freemind | bzed: |
| 01:12.00 | freemind | !seen nobody |
| 01:12.00 | dpkg | freemind: i haven't seen 'nobody' |
| 01:12.07 | arrenlex | !seen yourmom |
| 01:12.08 | dpkg | arrenlex: i haven't seen 'yourmom' |
| 01:12.15 | freemind | !seen penguin |
| 01:12.15 | dpkg | penguin <n=penguin@adsl-64-109-164-128.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9d 1h 50m 50s ago, saying: 'that makes sense'. |
| 01:12.25 | bzed | !tell freemind about anybody |
| 01:12.47 | freemind | bzed, sorry for that |
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| 01:13.52 | Azar | hmm bot abuse again |
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| 01:14.51 | Azar | wols: what is kmuto installer? |
| 01:15.24 | markybob | Azar, backported installers with updated kernels |
| 01:15.44 | Azar | markybob: thanks, wow nice |
| 01:15.55 | markybob | Azar, currently down, but at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 01:16.31 | Azar | so whomever needs a greather than default kernel could get that kind of installer |
| 01:16.48 | markybob | yeah |
| 01:16.54 | freemind | primary for newer hardware(install) |
| 01:16.59 | freemind | :) |
| 01:17.13 | Azar | you know, since we lost our debian weekly news... hard to come by new info like that |
| 01:17.32 | Azar | sad that Joey decided to quit |
| 01:17.35 | wols | !tell Azar about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 01:18.04 | freemind | Azar, where are you from? |
| 01:18.12 | Azar | wols thanks |
| 01:18.21 | Azar | born? Romania |
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| 01:18.35 | freemind | and where do you life? |
| 01:18.43 | Azar | Los Angeles |
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| 01:18.51 | freemind | :o |
| 01:19.12 | arrenlex | Also, what do you look like, do you have any children, how many pets, what income, what's your mother's maiden name, social security number, and credit card number and expiration date? |
| 01:19.14 | freemind | hello from germany ;) |
| 01:19.29 | Azar | :) haha |
| 01:19.40 | Azar | ahhhh my favorite mirror, freemind |
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| 01:20.03 | freemind | lol :) yesterday I'd downloaded from US - was faster then .de xD |
| 01:20.14 | freemind | *than |
| 01:20.17 | Azar | well it seems that ths is the way they work |
| 01:20.37 | Azar | I haven't had luck with a local mirror and heck .de is faster for me |
| 01:21.05 | vn- | .kr is faster for me than some servers located at 20km from here |
| 01:21.17 | arrenlex | I've always gotten 500-600kb/s from ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 01:22.08 | arrenlex | Well, 300-600kb/s, really. But it's still really good. |
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| 01:27.07 | grendal_prime | hmm there is a rmnologin that is supposed to run at boot, it is aparently not working |
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| 01:28.28 | grendal_prime | nobody has ever had this happen (the nologin file does not get removed on compleate boot) |
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| 01:30.49 | Azar | hmm finally the Exploring the Debian Installer story made it to the news |
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| 01:31.15 | phreqmod | Azar, where? |
| 01:31.26 | Azar | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/83025/index.html |
| 01:31.30 | phreqmod | ty |
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| 01:31.50 | Azar | but the partition issue still remains |
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| 01:32.12 | arrenlex | How do you mark comments in the /etc/apt/preferences file? |
| 01:32.24 | Sanitoeter | Can somebody tell me a good Reshacker? |
| 01:32.24 | Azar | # |
| 01:32.34 | Azar | arrenlex: ^^^ with # |
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| 01:32.51 | arrenlex | Azar: Says "invalid record in the preferences file". Are you sure? |
| 01:33.10 | Azar | arrenlex: the way I see all other files , the comments start with a # |
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| 01:34.52 | Azar | only on c files comments are /* comments */ |
| 01:35.17 | arrenlex | In xmodmap, there are ; comments. |
| 01:35.22 | arrenlex | In samba conf, there are ! comments. |
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| 01:38.22 | withaY | how can one send a wake-on-lang packet to ALL machines on a subnet even if you don't know all of the MAC addresses? |
| 01:38.52 | Azar | arrenlex: I guess bash uses # for comments, as opposed to c where # precedes a preprocessor directive |
| 01:39.32 | Azar | withaY: a broadcast request? |
| 01:39.48 | withaY | Azar: yes |
| 01:40.07 | vn- | PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/msql.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20020429/msql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 <==== where do I get that file? |
| 01:42.54 | \amethyst | withaY: you have to loop over all the hwaddrs on the network |
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| 01:43.44 | \amethyst | withaY: the Wake-on-LAN magic packet has sixteen copies of the MAC address |
| 01:43.54 | withaY | \amethyst: so if one doesn't know a few MAC addresses, one wouldn't be able to wol those particular machines? |
| 01:44.02 | \amethyst | withaY: correct |
| 01:44.15 | \amethyst | withaY: because the card has to see its own MAC address before it will wake |
| 01:44.36 | wad | I've been trying various options on apt-cache, trying to generate a list of packages already installed. So far, no luck. Help? |
| 01:45.06 | withaY | \amethyst: great. thanks for confirming. |
| 01:45.16 | \amethyst | withaY: If the machines are up sometimes |
| 01:45.18 | \amethyst | doh |
| 01:45.41 | phreqmod | wad, dpkg -l not enough for your purposes? |
| 01:45.55 | wad | I'm sure it would have been, had I known it existed. :) |
| 01:46.04 | phreqmod | Ahh, ehe |
| 01:46.08 | abrotman | !installed |
| 01:46.08 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 01:46.15 | Azar | !beer \amethyst |
| 01:46.26 | Azar | thanks I long forgotten how to do that |
| 01:46.45 | Gokee2 | How would I go about making a modeline for a 1680x1050 moniter? |
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| 01:46.49 | phreqmod | wad, there is also dpkg --get-selections and --set-slections, that will more or less let you "clone" what a machine has installed |
| 01:48.05 | wad | This thing is so powerful. It's rather intimidating. |
| 01:48.06 | wad | I'm just a debian newbie. So far. |
| 01:48.06 | \amethyst | Azar: ty :) |
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| 01:48.06 | wad | So, I've verified that I have no ntp. The next step: apt-get install ntp |
| 01:48.06 | phreqmod | keep at it, in a while it all becomes crystal clear |
| 01:48.06 | DWebb151 | so i just updated my kernel and am getting the same kernel panic - not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(),0) error message i was getting before... |
| 01:48.06 | wad | Though, I'd like to be able to see which ntp I want. |
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| 01:48.07 | DWebb151 | *(0,0) |
| 01:48.10 | wad | What's the proper way to choose an ntp to install? Should I just blindly do "apt-get install ntp"? |
| 01:48.26 | phreqmod | Uh, yes :) |
| 01:48.27 | wad | Is there a way to list available packages that provide ntp? |
| 01:48.41 | Xenguy | wad: apt-file |
| 01:48.44 | wad | Aha! |
| 01:48.48 | phreqmod | dpkg, tell wad about grounding |
| 01:48.52 | Xenguy | wad: apt-file search ntp |
| 01:48.59 | Azar | wad: apt or aptitude knows exactly what flavor of ntp your system needs |
| 01:49.07 | Xenguy | wad: install if you haven't already |
| 01:49.18 | phreqmod | or apt-cache search ntp |
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| 01:49.55 | wad | All kinds of goodness! |
| 01:50.00 | Xenguy | hehe |
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| 01:50.35 | phreqmod | apt-cache search ^ntp probably more useful. In this situation wad I think you can safely apt-get install ntp, I'm not aware of any other populat ntp client. Could be wrong though |
| 01:50.40 | Azar | good news the market errrr... the bugs are going down.. |
| 01:51.00 | Caelum | anyone ever experience video corruption when the X server exits using the intel i810 driver? |
| 01:51.01 | Azar | :D |
| 01:51.06 | wad | phreqmod, awesome. I'll use this a lot more tonight, though. Got lots more to install here. |
| 01:51.26 | phreqmod | I was wrong, there ate at least chrony and openntpd |
| 01:51.31 | abrotman | Caelum: checked the bts ? |
| 01:51.36 | Caelum | you can just use ntpdate if you don't need a full ntp daemon |
| 01:51.37 | freeemind | !tell Caelum anyone |
| 01:51.44 | Caelum | abrotman: good idea, will do |
| 01:51.48 | freeemind | !tell Caelum somebody |
| 01:51.50 | wad | lol: I don't seem to have apt-file |
| 01:51.55 | freeemind | !tell Caelum someone |
| 01:52.03 | Caelum | freeemind: I get the idea :) |
| 01:52.06 | Xenguy | wad: it's a power tool you need to install... |
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| 01:52.09 | abrotman | freeemind: stop already |
| 01:52.11 | Xenguy | wad: then read the man page |
| 01:52.14 | freeemind | Caelum, okay - hehehe :) |
| 01:52.16 | wad | :) |
| 01:52.25 | freeemind | abrotman, of course - all good thing are 3 |
| 01:52.26 | freeemind | :) |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | except when all three don't work |
| 01:52.46 | freeemind | yea :> |
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| 01:53.02 | Xenguy | wad: hint, apt-file update is what you run the first time |
| 01:53.08 | wad | apt is the whole reason I've upgraded from SUSE to debian. |
| 01:53.18 | wad | ah! |
| 01:53.18 | Xenguy | wad: then apt-file search or apt-file show |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman | !tell wad about refcard |
| 01:53.32 | Xenguy | wad: how about the deal with M$ :p |
| 01:53.59 | peterS | bleh, we should start +qing people who refer to microsoft as "M$". after a suitable warning period. |
| 01:54.08 | Xenguy | peterS: nonsense |
| 01:54.18 | Xenguy | peterS: It is always honourable to bash M$ |
| 01:54.20 | phreqmod | wad: without apt-file, apt-cache search works nicely |
| 01:54.22 | peterS | the use of $ in their name stopped being clever about 10 years ago |
| 01:54.41 | Xenguy | peterS: it's not clever, it's the truth :P |
| 01:54.54 | wad | peterS: It's still appropriate |
| 01:54.57 | peterS | Xenguy: every corporation in the world is interested in $, why single out microsoft? |
| 01:55.08 | Xenguy | peterS: why not? Are they exempt? |
| 01:55.12 | amphi | micros~1 is better IMHO, although long in the tooth too |
| 01:55.23 | peterS | Xenguy: it's juvenile to single out just one company for having an interest that all companies have |
| 01:55.46 | wad | peterS: There are lots of ways that MicroSoft if different than other companies, in very bad ways. |
| 01:55.47 | Xenguy | peterS: perhaps you are juvenile for making it an issue =) |
| 01:55.48 | peterS | Xenguy: would you call SuSE $u$E? if not, why not? |
| 01:55.52 | wad | It's not just that they are rich. |
| 01:56.01 | Xenguy | peterS: I do what I please |
| 01:56.12 | Azar | :) it feels like a debate |
| 01:56.34 | wad | MicroSoft is a truly evil company. They blatantly steal technology from smaller companies, and rely on their lawyers to prevail in the courts. By the time the ruling comes out, the small company is bankrupt. |
| 01:56.46 | Azar | wad: after you play with apt-get install for a while, try to get used to "aptitude install" |
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| 01:57.04 | peterS | wad, Xenguy: however, this channel isn't about bashing Microsoft, or SuSE for that matter |
| 01:57.14 | wad | I know. He asked. :P |
| 01:57.17 | Xenguy | M$ has fucked up a lot of stuff along the way - I recommend that peterS watches 'Why we fight' - then come back and chat to me ;-) |
| 01:57.24 | sid | yea, join #debian-offtopic to bash Microsoft. I'll join in also |
| 01:57.25 | sid | !ot |
| 01:57.26 | dpkg | somebody said ot was Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 01:57.44 | Xenguy | peterS: P.S. it has nothing to do with M$ (or does it?) |
| 01:58.31 | Azar | Xenguy: please stop making waves... water gets dirty |
| 01:58.41 | Xenguy | Azar: I think I am done now... |
| 01:58.44 | peterS | Xenguy: using the spelling "M$" makes you look like Abbie Hoffman's book "Steal This Book" where he persistently spells the US "Amerika", for reasons unknown. it just makes him (and you) look small-minded |
| 01:58.53 | Azar | :) cool |
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| 01:59.05 | Xenguy | Azar: but I do reserve the right to respond to those who besmirch my statements in public, yes? |
| 01:59.25 | Azar | Xenguy: well sure, if you think is worth fighting for? |
| 01:59.37 | Xenguy | peterS: I may create that impression *for you*, but it certainly does not for me - I have no problem with that |
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| 01:59.55 | Xenguy | Azar: I am fond of responding to statements directed at me, yes :-) |
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| 02:00.09 | peterS | x€nguy: whatever, I know you are only interested in money too |
| 02:00.17 | Azar | Xenguy: well I guess it wasn't much of an interesting topic |
| 02:00.41 | Xenguy | peterS: oh and BTW, Abbie was a hero to my mind - I just wish he were still here, doing *his* thing |
| 02:00.46 | peterS | haha |
| 02:01.00 | Xenguy | peterS: i.e. rocking the boat ;-) |
| 02:01.14 | Azar | Id rather fight for my sister's reputation than for two letters |
| 02:01.27 | sid | Talk about Abbie and Microsoft in #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:01.45 | abrotman | or just stop talkng about it |
| 02:01.48 | Azar | my syster's reputation too? |
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| 02:02.08 | Xenguy | Azar: I've heard about your sister =) |
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| 02:02.19 | peterS | I daresay Microsoft is interested not only in money, but in one of the same things Debian is interested in. Total world domination. so like we should work together, we share at least one goal. |
| 02:02.19 | phreqmod | Abbie in several ways was important even to the development of 80's hacker culture, in the 2600 style. |
| 02:02.21 | Azar | cuz I have no syster.... just sister |
| 02:02.37 | phreqmod | argh,sorry, i'm at #debian-offtopic now, will shut up here |
| 02:02.38 | Azar | I haven't read that guy |
| 02:03.29 | Xenguy | simple, M$ != Debian |
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| 02:03.32 | peterS | Azar: "Steal This Book" is available free online if you look a bit. pretty funny stuff, he advocates shoplifting from absolutely everybody, since presumably all stores and store owners are equally evil. stuff like that. quite entertaining but also quite hard to take seriously |
| 02:03.46 | vn- | hey guys, my webserver is being extremely slow when loading some css js or php files (takes 28s when it's slow) and at some moment, the cpu goes to 93% of usage....any idea where the problem might be? |
| 02:03.50 | Xenguy | phreqmod: I like the NY Stock Exchange caper - classic guerilla theatre |
| 02:03.55 | vn- | here's my httperf log : http://apache.pastebin.ca/389953 |
| 02:04.00 | Azar | peterS: I guess was a big hit among teens |
| 02:04.06 | Jeff32 | hey guys i trying to stop gnome and restart it when i go /etc/init.d/gdm stop it says its not runing |
| 02:04.07 | sid | vn-: #apache |
| 02:04.14 | Jeff32 | but yet i see it in ps |
| 02:04.15 | Jeff32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.15 | Jeff32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.15 | Jeff32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.15 | Jeff32 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:04.22 | Jeff32 | oops |
| 02:04.35 | peterS | Azar: it was a big hit among people who would rather freeload off society than work for a living. that isn't slander, either, it's explicitly what his movement was all about, he was quite honest about it |
| 02:04.36 | sid | Jeff32: Why do you want to stop gnome? |
| 02:04.40 | Xenguy | peterS: I actually have a hardcopy paperback edition of that book; a bit trashed now, but still readable - yeah it is a hoot |
| 02:04.44 | vn- | sid: how can I be sure if it's apache related? I think it might be mysql-related |
| 02:04.56 | Jeff32 | its on a remote server and the vnc no longer works |
| 02:04.57 | sid | vn-: #mysql ; I dunno try both. |
| 02:05.03 | Jeff32 | so i was going to try restarting it |
| 02:05.05 | Xenguy | peterS: stores stopped carrying it because customers were actually stealing it :P |
| 02:05.10 | vn- | k |
| 02:05.15 | Azar | sid breaks the toys |
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| 02:05.29 | PietroGiovanni | hello all |
| 02:05.36 | sid | !greet PietroGiovanni |
| 02:05.37 | dpkg | Wassup, PietroGiovanni |
| 02:05.42 | Azar | thanks peterS I will take a look |
| 02:05.47 | phreqmod | Xenguy, ehe, funny stuff indeed |
| 02:06.18 | peterS | Xenguy: yeah that's what they say. it did require a certain amount of chutzpah on hoffman's part, to admit that his whole movement was based around the premise that they wanted to live in a society that required a lot of hard work, but they wanted to get away with not doing any of that work |
| 02:06.30 | sid | Jeff32: What version of Debian GNU/Linux are you using? |
| 02:06.36 | Azar | let's make a "Favorite DD month" I aleady have one |
| 02:06.42 | Xenguy | phreqmod: apparently the subsequently spent thousands of dollars after that caper to install bullet-proof pexiglass or some such - can't have freaks throwing $$$ at the traders y'know ;-) |
| 02:06.45 | Jeff32 | umm |
| 02:06.48 | Jeff32 | just 3.1 |
| 02:06.51 | Jeff32 | stable i think |
| 02:06.53 | phreqmod | ehe |
| 02:07.02 | Caelum | abrotman: you were right, it's in the BTS, though it seems to not happen all the time... |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | Caelum: not surprised |
| 02:07.21 | Azar | Jeff32: and what kernel version? |
| 02:07.23 | Xenguy | peterS: agreed, he was a revolutionary for the helluvit, not a realist - these were political artist types ;-) |
| 02:07.38 | Jeff32 | Linux debian 2.6.8-3-k7 #1 Tue Dec 5 23:58:25 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 02:08.11 | Azar | hmm you got a sick gdm there |
| 02:08.26 | cookoo | lg3d work for anyone? |
| 02:08.32 | PietroGiovanni | hi, im using etch and installed apache server, how can i know where is it installed? |
| 02:08.42 | Azar | Jeff32: so how is your gdm manifesting to you? |
| 02:08.42 | peterS | Xenguy: however, I can't really respect someone who spits on people who work for a living, yet still wants to reap the benefits of living in a society built by those people. you might think of him as a cool maverick, I think he was an insult to people who make society work |
| 02:08.48 | \amethyst | PietroGiovanni: what part of it? |
| 02:08.49 | Nwallins|home | how can I use my existing kernel config when building a new kernel? i tried `locate config.gz` |
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| 02:08.56 | Rekisser | Hello. Help me plz. I am a new linux user, and i have net install cd. HOW can i use VPN? Help me PLEASE. |
| 02:09.15 | \amethyst | PietroGiovanni: The binaries, the web root directory, the CGIs, the configuration files? |
| 02:09.17 | sid | PietroGiovanni: nano /var/www/index.html |
| 02:09.24 | Nwallins|home | do I need a source package, besides linux-image? |
| 02:09.24 | abrotman | Rekisser: depends on the vpn endpoint |
| 02:09.26 | sid | !tell Rekisser about vpn |
| 02:09.30 | Jeff32 | azar if i reboot the box it will boot up fine and i can vnc but thing is if i try rebooting it don't seem to come back up i have to call the hosting place and get them to hardreboot |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | Nwallins|home: it's in /boot/ |
| 02:09.42 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:09.42 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:09.46 | vnBBL | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professionnel - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) up: 3wks 4days 21hrs 54mins 36secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ at 2210MHz (2% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT 256MB res: 1680x1050 32bit 60Hz ram: 2045/2046.48MB (99.94%) hdd: 3 C:\ 63.03GB/195.31GB Free V:\ 35.36GB/37.57GB Free Z:\ 19.16GB/232.88GB Free net: NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller - Miniport d'ordonnancement de paquets - 100 |
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| 02:09.49 | Nwallins|home | abrotman: ah, thanks |
| 02:09.51 | abrotman | vnBBL: please turn it off |
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| 02:10.09 | Azar | Jeff32: ah you are working on remote? |
| 02:10.09 | peterS | abrotman: alternatively, you could stop saying !moo, that isn't very useful either |
| 02:10.17 | abrotman | peterS: i was just checking :) |
| 02:10.17 | Jeff32 | ya i only |
| 02:10.19 | Jeff32 | have ssh |
| 02:10.20 | Jeff32 | as of now |
| 02:10.24 | Rekisser | abrotman: sorry? |
| 02:10.27 | Jeff32 | thats the part the makes it so hard |
| 02:10.29 | Rekisser | Help |
| 02:10.36 | Nwallins|home | abrotman: do you think my old config for .18 will work with .20? |
| 02:10.39 | Jeff32 | i can't get to the system to see whats going on |
| 02:10.39 | abrotman | Rekisser: what do you know about the VPN endpoint that you're connecting to |
| 02:10.42 | peterS | Rekisser: depends on what sort of vpn you need. your main choices are OpenVPN, IPsec, and tinc. tinc is very easy to set up but some consider it less secure than the others. openvpn is not too hard to set up, compared to IPsec, but IPsec is what a lot of other OSes and products support, so you may have to use that |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | Nwallins|home: you can use it as a base |
| 02:10.50 | Jeff32 | so if vnc locks up i don't know what the desktop is doing |
| 02:11.08 | Azar | Jeff32: I am not sure if you could remote to desktop.... |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | peterS: how'd that trigger you this time ? |
| 02:11.23 | Jeff32 | well i have remoted onec |
| 02:11.26 | Jeff32 | but it locked up |
| 02:11.30 | Jeff32 | after i tryed |
| 02:11.33 | Jeff32 | to logoff |
| 02:11.56 | peterS | abrotman: it didn't trigger my hilight, the thing that triggered it last time was his load meter ascii art, which apparently he has removed |
| 02:12.07 | abrotman | peterS: ah .. gotcha |
| 02:12.09 | PietroGiovanni | sorry (phone) |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | i normally only do !moo when it's just join/quit |
| 02:12.24 | Jeff32 | i was just trying to see if thare was a login screen i install gnome then rebooted the box with hardreboot and it came up fine i vnced in so thats y i just want to try stoping all of gnome and starting it back up |
| 02:12.41 | \amethyst | Nwallins|home: you can put the old .config in place then do make oldconfig to prompt about the new stuff only |
| 02:13.09 | peterS | abrotman: seriously, I'd be harder on vnBBL if there were actually any reason to ever say !moo in this channel. since there isn't, people who do it are already wasting channel bandwidth, he doesn't make it _that_ much worse |
| 02:13.10 | Rekisser | Smb can help me in private? Please |
| 02:13.21 | PietroGiovanni | i dont know what im looking for, ive installed an asp server from sun and it is not recognizing apache with its auto detect tool, i wonder if i can enter the path directly |
| 02:13.28 | Azar | Jeff32: as I said, I am not sure remotely what you can access or not, but my impression, not on desktop.... ask around maybe someone else knows |
| 02:13.39 | abrotman | it has nothing to do with bandwidth for me .. has to do with responding to ! |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | who knows what other triggers it has |
| 02:13.57 | Azar | peterS: I sense you have a toothache today... sorry no pun intended |
| 02:14.04 | tyler | why is my usb thumbdrive full.. or say device is full when i use df -h it still has 103mb left... reason>>> |
| 02:14.34 | peterS | Azar: how do you figure? |
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| 02:15.01 | Azar | peterS: I have the feeling you are highly discontent ... for some reason(s) only you could know |
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| 02:15.23 | peterS | Azar: I have just as little respect for Abbie Hoffman when I'm feeling perfectly healthy as when I have a toothache. or did you mean something else? |
| 02:15.41 | peterS | I tend to give out the same synopsis of VPN software either way, too |
| 02:15.51 | Azar | peterS: well without rounds, i see you are upset |
| 02:16.01 | peterS | how do you figure? |
| 02:16.23 | Azar | just watching the screen... |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | just spill it! |
| 02:16.49 | Azar | yea tell us what's about |
| 02:16.57 | Azar | I for one, care |
| 02:16.59 | abrotman | Azar: i meant you .. |
| 02:16.59 | peterS | I think people who spell "M$" are just as dumb when I'm in a good mood as when I'm in a bad mood. I guess I don't see the evidence that you see that I'm feeling upset |
| 02:17.42 | Azar | peterS: I agree with you but is it worth get so upset about? some people are just different |
| 02:18.04 | PietroGiovanni | \amethyst, i dont know really what im looking for here |
| 02:18.05 | peterS | "upset" ... you keep using that word. I do no think it means what you think it means |
| 02:18.20 | Rekisser | SMB Russian-speakers SORRY? |
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| 02:18.33 | Azar | peterS: well maybe "upset" is an overstatement... |
| 02:19.06 | peterS | maybe by "upset" you mean "likely to state one's opinions". it's an interesting usage. |
| 02:19.08 | abrotman | !ru |
| 02:19.09 | dpkg | it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 02:19.09 | PietroGiovanni | \amethyst, i need another application with lame support to interact with apache server, and the paths recognized by the application, doesnt seem to find it |
| 02:19.25 | Azar | you see so many coming here every hour using "u" and "plz" and other stuff... we try to correct them, they gonna use that anyways.. |
| 02:19.28 | \amethyst | PietroGiovanni: The web document root directory is /var/www/, the config files are in /etc/apache, the binaries in /usr/sbin |
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| 02:20.21 | PietroGiovanni | \amethyst, all i have to do is find out what im looking for right? |
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| 02:20.47 | \amethyst | PietroGiovanni: Yes, by reading the documentation for the Sun ASP thing |
| 02:21.06 | Azar | peterS: sorry did not mean anything unpleasant, maybe I should understand people need to steam off once in a while.. |
| 02:21.09 | PietroGiovanni | \amethyst, all it says is "let the autoconfig thing work it out" but it cant |
| 02:21.13 | freeemind | PietroGiovanni, hello - where are you from mate? |
| 02:21.21 | \amethyst | PietroGiovanni: what errors do the autoconfig give? |
| 02:21.27 | peterS | Azar: I'm curious what I said that made you think I was trying to "steam off" |
| 02:21.38 | Azar | freeemind: hey don't forget to give me your book to sign.. |
| 02:22.07 | freeemind | Azar, I dont have :( |
| 02:22.11 | Azar | peterS: I had the sensation that you moved somehow on to abrotman as well.... but was just a wrong impression |
| 02:22.13 | freeemind | (guestbook) |
| 02:22.20 | Azar | ah yes guest book |
| 02:22.20 | abrotman | Azar: he just hates me |
| 02:22.31 | freeemind | or what did you ment? |
| 02:22.37 | peterS | Azar: you should understand that it's pretty condescending to tell someone "oh I see you're upset", as though rational calm people could never say the things that person says. by saying that, you will in fact tend to make people more upset than they were. I don't know if that was your intent. |
| 02:23.19 | Azar | peterS: was never my intent to offend you in any ways... I really thought you were upset at something or someone |
| 02:24.22 | peterS | yeah, "oh, so you're upset" is, in fact, another way of saying "obviously what you have to say is of little value, because you're not in a rational state of mind". if that's not the message you intend to convey, don't tell people that. |
| 02:24.48 | Azar | oh god no, absolutely not |
| 02:24.50 | freeemind | good night mates |
| 02:24.55 | freeemind | sleepytime in germany now |
| 02:25.09 | Azar | I asked because I appreciate you and care about you |
| 02:25.15 | arrenlex | cat chillpill > /dev/#debian |
| 02:25.15 | abrotman | peterS: do you live near Alexander ? |
| 02:25.37 | peterS | abrotman: who is Alexander, besides you? |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | peterS: a town in KS ? |
| 02:26.02 | peterS | must not be a huge town, I haven't heard of it. there are a zillion little tiny towns in Kansas, maybe it's one |
| 02:26.38 | abrotman | apparently 40 miles west of Great Bend |
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| 02:27.16 | Nwallins|home | abrotman: what do you set CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL to? |
| 02:27.26 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, my parents lived a few miles from Great Bend for a few years, but they don't now. I used to visit them a few times a year. that'd be the closest I've come to Alexander |
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| 02:27.38 | abrotman | i use debian kernels .. but i might set it to Y if i needed it |
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| 02:27.46 | abrotman | peterS: ah .. ok |
| 02:27.48 | peterS | abrotman: GB is a couple hours drive from Wichita, Alexander would be another half hour |
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| 02:27.57 | abrotman | hehe .. i was in Hays :) |
| 02:28.57 | peterS | all of those towns definitely qualify as Western Kansas. W. Ks. is completely flat, mostly wheat fields, sparsely populated. it is said that the only landscape more dull than W. Ks. is eastern Colorado. |
| 02:29.40 | peterS | (the main difference being that the population is even sparser in E. Co., and that you can see some shadow of mountains as you get closer to Denver) |
| 02:31.08 | Azar | peterS: I used to know the nick you are using seven years ago... |
| 02:31.13 | abrotman | peterS: you definitely sound angry .. try an 'apt-get moo' |
| 02:31.37 | peterS | Azar: oh, what nick would that be? |
| 02:31.48 | Azar | same as yours: peterS |
| 02:32.06 | peterS | Azar: ahh. I've only been using "peterS" since 2003, I have no idea who was using it before then |
| 02:32.37 | Azar | I assume you are not the same person, was on the old msnbc tech board |
| 02:32.59 | peterS | that would be correct, then |
| 02:34.10 | peterS | when I chose this nick in 2003 I knew I was not the first to think of using first name + last initial, but I was not aware of anyone else capitalising only the last initial. since then I've noiced that seeS does, but that's not quite the same |
| 02:34.32 | peterS | (i.e., see refers to his first initial C) |
| 02:34.41 | Azar | well that why seemed so awkward to me but never dared to ask you |
| 02:35.09 | abrotman | admit it! .. you're an avid msnbc commenter! |
| 02:35.17 | peterS | I could have gone with peters or PeterS, but the first is prone to mispronunciation (lots of people with a last name of Peters) and the second ... well, being an old unix hand, I prefer starting things with lowercase |
| 02:35.40 | Azar | abrotman: back in the days of 1998 linux was not such a common topic |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | yeah right |
| 02:36.23 | peterS | an unexpected side benefit of using "peterS" is that my alternate nick, peter5, looks to many people like the same thing |
| 02:36.27 | Nwallins|home | where is good place to find what a kernel config option affects? e.g. CALGARY_IOMMU |
| 02:36.48 | peterS | Nwallins|home: reading the kernel source code itself. especially grepping through 'Makefile' and 'Kconfig' files in the source tree |
| 02:37.14 | Nwallins|home | peterS: I was hoping for documentation :( |
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| 02:37.41 | Nwallins|home | but i'll take a look |
| 02:38.06 | peterS | Nwallins|home: well, the Kconfig files include documentation about what each option does, in human terms. the actual descriptions of course vary somewhat in their quality |
| 02:39.13 | Nwallins|home | peterS: I am seeing a bunch of KConfig files |
| 02:39.43 | Nwallins|home | er, Kconfig |
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| 02:40.50 | peterS | Nwallins|home: yeah I generally employ a strategy like 'find . -name Kconfig | xargs grep CALGARY_IOMMU' to find the right Kconfig file, then read that file |
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| 02:41.22 | JordiGH | Huh? Installing the KDE package didn't install xserver-xorg |
| 02:41.23 | Nwallins|home | peterS: ah, thanks.. was just about to ask if this calls for a find xargs grep :) |
| 02:41.48 | JordiGH | Is that intentional? |
| 02:42.03 | peterS | Nwallins|home: yeah. in this case it seems to be specific to amd64 (arch/x86_64/Kconfig) which is not surprising, Memory Management Units are pretty machine-specific |
| 02:42.19 | justin | JordiGH: yes |
| 02:42.43 | JordiGH | justin: Why? How could you possibly want to install KDE without installing an X server? Is there more than one X server? |
| 02:42.58 | justin | JordiGH: ever hear of vnc? ltsp? |
| 02:43.08 | JordiGH | I guess I haven't... |
| 02:43.34 | JordiGH | vnc is this network thingie, right? remote desktop kinda thing? |
| 02:43.39 | justin | JordiGH: yes |
| 02:44.21 | JordiGH | Btw, I see absolutely no slowdown on my encrypted partition. Joy! |
| 02:44.29 | JordiGH | Sophia is slow as always. |
| 02:44.33 | JordiGH | But not slower. :-) |
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| 02:45.24 | peterS | JordiGH: the actual disk access should be just as fast, it's just that it requires significant CPU before writing and after reading. if the disk is by far the slowest part of your system (which often is true), the rest may not be noticeable |
| 02:46.14 | Nwallins|home | peterS: "Support for hardware IOMMUs in IBM's xSeries x366 and x460 systems. Needed to run systems with more than 3GB of memory properly with 32-bit PCI devices that do not support DAC." -- i'm not running IBM hardware -- does the DAC thing still apply? |
| 02:46.37 | JordiGH | I stand by what I've said before: unless you're doing number crunching or graphics-heavy manipulations, processor speeds are hardly noticeable. |
| 02:46.48 | peterS | Nwallins|home: read the last line of the description |
| 02:47.14 | Nwallins|home | peterS: from what I pasted or Kconfig? |
| 02:47.23 | peterS | Nwallins|home: from Kconfig. "If unsure, say Y." |
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| 02:47.29 | Nwallins|home | ok |
| 02:47.58 | peterS | Nwallins|home: but since the description mentions specific motherboards (IBM xSeries x366 and x460), you might take that into account |
| 02:48.10 | Nwallins|home | peterS: yes, that is why I asked |
| 02:48.20 | Nwallins|home | I'm not running that hardware |
| 02:49.41 | peterS | Nwallins|home: easy enough to see what the impact is: grep -r CALGARY_IOMMU arch/x86_64. you'll see there that it controls compilation of arch/x86_64/kernel/pci-calgary.c and arch/x86_64/kernel/tce.c and certain code in arch/x86_64/kernel/pci-dma.c |
| 02:50.39 | JordiGH | How can I find out what encryption algorithms are being used to encrypt my hard disk? And why did the installer recommend such a complex password (20 characters with numbers, punctuation, upper and lowercase)? |
| 02:51.09 | peterS | JordiGH: I don't know the answer to the first but for the second, the reason to use a complex password is so people can't just iterate through all the possible 8-char passwords and hack your box |
| 02:51.32 | peterS | JordiGH: if someone steals your hard drive (or your whole computer) and wants to break into it, they can try millions of passwords per second |
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| 02:52.17 | Azar | JordiGH: you haven't heard about dictionary attacks, just look in your /var/log/auth.log and see what I mean |
| 02:52.19 | justin | JordiGH: you're not supposed to use a "password" you are supposed to use a "passphrase" |
| 02:52.34 | peterS | computers are fast enough these days to crack any password by brute force that ordinary people would use and feel comfortable remembering. you have to go significantly beyond what ordinary people would want to use before your password won't fall to brute force |
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| 02:52.51 | peterS | (yeah, "passphrase" is the same as "password" except that it doesn't imply that you can't use spaces) |
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| 02:53.27 | JordiGH | 8-char combinations... That would be, roughly, about 8^100 possible passwords to try out. |
| 02:53.29 | grendal_prime | why would a machine have NO /etc/localtime file? |
| 02:53.34 | JordiGH | Millions of passwords per second? really? |
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| 02:53.43 | abrotman | grendal_prime: someone erased it ? |
| 02:53.53 | grendal_prime | dont think so |
| 02:53.56 | phreqmod | That crypt fs is interesting... I have been using encfs for the sections of my homedir that contain information that I woulnd't like to be known... can anyone tell me how does this fs encryption in Debian play with, say, rescue CD's ? |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | i think so |
| 02:54.00 | peterS | JordiGH: they might have a whole room full of PCs that do nothing but check passwords |
| 02:54.02 | grendal_prime | that would have had to have been me |
| 02:54.09 | grendal_prime | and i didnt do that |
| 02:54.09 | abrotman | well .. what'd you erase it for ? |
| 02:54.22 | grendal_prime | i like you |
| 02:54.24 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | you who ? |
| 02:54.35 | peterS | JordiGH: once they've stolen your hard disk it's a simple matter to replicate the first few blocks across a roomful of machines so they can all work on it at once |
| 02:54.47 | grendal_prime | umm by the way that problem i was having with the nologin file.. |
| 02:54.49 | Azar | come on, who does not like abrotman? and admire peterS? |
| 02:54.50 | grendal_prime | still having it.. |
| 02:54.50 | abrotman | grendal_prime: it really doesn't matter .. it's just a symlink |
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| 02:55.07 | JordiGH | Er, 100^8. Considerably smaller. |
| 02:55.09 | peterS | Azar: I DON'T LIKE ABROTMAN. he said so himself. nobody knows why this is, it just is. |
| 02:55.11 | abrotman | Azar: so no one admires me ? .. no one likes peterS ? |
| 02:55.27 | Azar | that about true, abrotman |
| 02:55.29 | grendal_prime | well whats werid is there isnt one i mean doesnt the system look at that file? |
| 02:55.35 | abrotman | peterS: i don't blame you for not liking me |
| 02:55.40 | grendal_prime | if it was set to utc would it not have one? |
| 02:56.04 | abrotman | are you ? |
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| 02:56.19 | abrotman | haggz: you should probably go with peterS :) |
| 02:56.35 | peterS | if you're gonna sell your soul, at least try to bargain a better deal than that. |
| 02:56.42 | abrotman | get a beer out of it! |
| 02:56.49 | peterS | maybe a fiddle made of gold |
| 02:57.10 | Azar | :D |
| 02:57.11 | nvz | could be worse you could sell your soul and wind up ignorant as me |
| 02:57.17 | PietroGiovanni | hello all |
| 02:57.25 | abrotman | nvz: i blame the lips of morphine |
| 02:57.26 | peterS | EnvyZee! |
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| 02:57.34 | grendal_prime | i just checked the desktop on that machine...says its 10:53 am losangels time..something aint right with that |
| 02:57.38 | Azar | haggz: you got sandwiched |
| 02:57.41 | nvz | abrotman: blah |
| 02:57.44 | abrotman | grendal_prime: where are you ? |
| 02:57.44 | PietroGiovanni | i have apache webserver installed in my system and i need to point its location to another application. how can i achieve that? |
| 02:57.49 | abrotman | nvz: whahy htywhy ? |
| 02:57.53 | grendal_prime | california |
| 02:57.56 | nvz | abrotman: I'm igorant all on my own right |
| 02:58.02 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 02:58.05 | grendal_prime | but it aint 10:53 am |
| 02:58.12 | Azar | grendal_prime: you are set to est time |
| 02:58.19 | abrotman | where is it 11am ? |
| 02:58.21 | asg | PietroGiovanni: #apache is probably a more likely forum for that question |
| 02:58.21 | abrotman | .au ? |
| 02:58.33 | Azar | ah no... that would be 10pm |
| 02:58.37 | PietroGiovanni | asg already went there, not much of help |
| 02:58.40 | grendal_prime | sounds about right |
| 02:58.50 | grendal_prime | werid |
| 02:58.57 | PietroGiovanni | asg maybe there's a command to find out or something related to debian |
| 02:58.58 | liable | 11am |
| 02:59.01 | peterS | abrotman: hmm ... it's noon in Perth, that's kinda close |
| 02:59.03 | liable | err 12am |
| 02:59.11 | liable | in WA |
| 02:59.13 | abrotman | 12pm ? |
| 02:59.20 | liable | actually, yes |
| 02:59.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:59.30 | PietroGiovanni | 12 am in Argentina |
| 02:59.36 | liable | thats the second time i have done that lately |
| 02:59.38 | peterS | ahh - 11 am in Singapore |
| 02:59.39 | abrotman | it is ? |
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| 02:59.47 | marc\cba | folks, how can i have a cron job that will run every minute? * * * * root wall hi |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | phated! .. wake up! |
| 02:59.49 | grendal_prime | i cant imagine this time shift shit is going to have any effect on my stuff but...i figure its a good time to update things anyway |
| 02:59.55 | abrotman | */60 |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | erm ..wait .. or just * |
| 03:00.29 | marc\cba | hmm, so * * * * root wall hi |
| 03:00.31 | peterS | marc\cba: that should do it. the "root" is only needed in /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d/* |
| 03:00.32 | marc\cba | should work? |
| 03:00.45 | peterS | marc\cba: there are five * not four |
| 03:00.48 | marc\cba | ;p |
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| 03:01.09 | peterS | five fields: minute, hour, date, month, day-of-week |
| 03:01.13 | marc\cba | my problem is time drift in vmware :/ |
| 03:01.22 | asg | marc\cba: use a 2.4 kernel |
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| 03:01.37 | marc\cba | i thought that also suffered from the same problem? |
| 03:02.00 | asg | marc\cba: not in my experience. sarge's 2.4.27 kernels are okay under VMWare |
| 03:02.15 | grendal_prime | i hate virtualized stuff...I cant help feel im getting screwed somewhere |
| 03:02.36 | marc\cba | grendal_prime: how so? |
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| 03:05.12 | grendal_prime | well there are people that are using virtualized windows on vmware...because they couldnt write two apps to run on the same box..so they vmware it The vmware they are running is actually based off of debian linux. They should just write the app to run on debian linux. |
| 03:06.50 | grendal_prime | so instead of no lisc. cost they have the windows, and the vmware lisc, and the virtualized windows boxes do not run native speed, and they still crash all the time. |
| 03:07.36 | cyzie | i have open firewall for my mysql to allow access from LAN. do i need to restart mysql to allow connection using tcp/ip ? |
| 03:07.59 | peterS | cyzie: mysql shouldn't notice, so no, you shouldn't need to |
| 03:08.01 | asg | grendal_prime: he wasn't talking about virtualizing windows though |
| 03:08.21 | grendal_prime | ya i know but i see it so much thats the first thing i think of |
| 03:08.54 | Azar | grendal_prime: so you want to fix the time on your Debian system? |
| 03:09.24 | asg | grendal_prime: it has uses, it's just the new buzzword. |
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| 03:09.55 | marc\cba | Azar: that would be me. |
| 03:10.03 | marc\cba | but i don't really want to downgrade my kernel |
| 03:10.06 | Azar | marc\cba: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3988059943.html |
| 03:10.31 | grendal_prime | actually im going to update it first to see if that does it. but if you can tell me why one of the servers will not delete the nologin file that would be great |
| 03:10.54 | asg | grendal_prime: lsattr |
| 03:11.08 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 03:11.13 | abrotman | it's a command |
| 03:11.15 | cyzie | peterS, thanks |
| 03:11.38 | cyzie | peterS, so i believe i need to grant user to allow connect from remote host. but i have done that but it jsut wont work :-s |
| 03:11.50 | grendal_prime | the script that is supposed to delete it works..if i fire it off manually |
| 03:11.53 | Azar | on this box which uses Debian Sarge the time comes out right |
| 03:12.01 | grendal_prime | rmnologin. |
| 03:12.07 | peterS | cyzie: I don't know how mysql access control is set up. I am very fortunate in the sense that I don't have to use mysql anywhere |
| 03:12.26 | abrotman | cyzie: you also have to setup mysql to accept tcp connections |
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| 03:12.51 | Azar | only I have no idea when (what hour will change the time) now being Saturday evening 19:16 |
| 03:13.02 | cyzie | abrotman, is there any howto so i can follow ? |
| 03:13.04 | abrotman | changes at 2am |
| 03:13.15 | Azar | ah I see... |
| 03:13.17 | markybob | an extra hour at the bar! i forgot! |
| 03:13.18 | abrotman | cyzie: mysql.com/doc ? or something like that .. not sure |
| 03:13.25 | markybob | or is it one less hour? |
| 03:13.30 | markybob | can never keep track |
| 03:13.34 | peterS | Azar: yeah, 2:00:00 through 2:59:59 are stolen from us |
| 03:13.38 | abrotman | cyzie: i'm pretty sure the mysql in debian doesn't do tcp by default |
| 03:13.41 | Azar | markybob: wrong, I think is less one hour |
| 03:13.50 | peterS | we go straight from 1:59 to 3:00 tonight |
| 03:14.10 | cyzie | abrotman, ok that's bad.. |
| 03:14.12 | Xenguy | peterS: I think Abbie was the first in a long line of outspoken people who were standing up and saying, this is B$, this is wrong, we are a witness to these errors, so sure he was unrealistic at the detailed level, but at the same time had a powerful critique of some of "Amerika's" flaws (e.g. Vietnam War) at that time in history |
| 03:14.12 | Azar | peterS: luckily I am on vacation.. |
| 03:14.15 | abrotman | wait .. so the sun will come up earlier ? |
| 03:14.23 | abrotman | no .. later |
| 03:14.30 | Azar | :) wow we dive into Abbie again |
| 03:14.51 | Xenguy | Azar: hey, I was /away ;-) |
| 03:14.53 | peterS | Xenguy: dude it didn't take a powerful vision or imagination to say "we don't like the vietnam war". that's sophisticated only in the sense that "non-free software sucks" is sophisticated |
| 03:14.57 | wad | So I installed ntp (apt-get install ntp), but my clock is still waaay off. |
| 03:15.09 | Azar | abrotman: we wake up one hour earlier than the sun does |
| 03:15.11 | wad | I checked the logs, there seems to be no ntp stuff happening at all. |
| 03:15.15 | Xenguy | peterS: that's too obsfucated to go there, sorry |
| 03:15.19 | cyzie | abrotman, what is the keyword to google. my keyword just wont find me the solution |
| 03:15.28 | abrotman | mysql.com |
| 03:15.32 | marc\cba | Azar: you think this will fix my vmware time drift issue? |
| 03:15.52 | Azar | wad: I guess if you do an "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" might give you the DST patch |
| 03:16.05 | wad | Allright. |
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| 03:16.45 | Azar | marc\cba: well there are general guidances on how to fix it, though I know that Debian Sarge has the DST right, if you updated/upgraded recently |
| 03:17.47 | Azar | wad: I guess you have to also set your timezone..... damn I forgot how is done |
| 03:17.57 | wad | I set it at install. |
| 03:17.58 | marc\cba | the actual guest os im using is centos |
| 03:18.11 | wad | It asked me if I wanted the hardware close to be GMT, or something. |
| 03:18.13 | abrotman | aw .. i forgot about the debate |
| 03:18.16 | wad | I guess I answered incorrectl.y |
| 03:18.28 | wad | Because my local timezone is set properly, but the time is way off. |
| 03:18.31 | wad | It must be GMT. |
| 03:18.34 | marc\cba | Azar: thanks for the link, i'll check it out. |
| 03:18.34 | peterS | abrotman: http://www.einval.com/tmp/debian-dpl-debate.log |
| 03:18.41 | abrotman | i see that :) |
| 03:18.48 | marc\cba | or rather, try it out |
| 03:19.20 | Azar | wad: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 03:19.27 | Azar | marc\cba: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 03:19.49 | Azar | abrotman: you were there too |
| 03:20.10 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:20.22 | Azar | I saw you at the in the debates channel |
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| 03:20.43 | Azar | I thought that why you left freenode... |
| 03:20.50 | Azar | I ran after you |
| 03:21.26 | wad | lol, I'm 12 hours behind. |
| 03:21.41 | peterS | welcome to debian unstable |
| 03:21.51 | peterS | the archive is only updated twice a day so it is always 12 hours behind |
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| 03:23.05 | wad | I'm confused. I installed ntp, yet there is no /etc/ntp.conf |
| 03:23.18 | wad | as the documentation seems to indicate should exist. |
| 03:23.25 | abrotman | Azar: ah .. no .. |
| 03:23.30 | abrotman | Azar: i was at like 10am .. |
| 03:23.34 | abrotman | but noone else was |
| 03:25.06 | wad | And "man ntp" gives nothing. |
| 03:25.23 | Azar | abrotman: in fact if you haven't left here I would have forgotten all about but I checked the utc time and I was like wow, I lost half hour of it... and ran after you |
| 03:25.40 | wad | I got ntp-doc, but I have no idea how to see the docs. There is no man page for ntp-doc either. |
| 03:25.43 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:25.45 | wad | I'm totally baffled. |
| 03:25.49 | justin | wad: what did you install |
| 03:25.53 | wad | ntp |
| 03:25.58 | wad | "apt-get install ntp" |
| 03:26.04 | wad | It says it did stuff, |
| 03:26.08 | justin | wad: what did it do? |
| 03:26.11 | wad | yet I have no ntp, no ntpd, nothing. |
| 03:27.23 | wad | Well, I had tried it again, and it told me that ntp was already at the latest version. |
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| 03:27.32 | Azar | abrotman: it was fun, I really loved it.... especially the discuss one |
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| 03:27.44 | Azar | peterS was shining like a star |
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| 03:27.47 | wad | I did a find, and the only ntp I have is in usr/share/doc |
| 03:28.01 | Azar | dondelecaro did an awesome hosting |
| 03:28.13 | peterS | I was shining like nothing of the sort |
| 03:28.16 | justin | wad: dpkt -L ntp ? |
| 03:28.39 | Azar | come on, you were, I was impressed |
| 03:28.44 | wad | dpkt not found |
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| 03:28.57 | justin | dpkg |
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| 03:29.08 | wad | ah! |
| 03:29.11 | wad | There are files listed! |
| 03:29.13 | peterS | do not take the name of our bot in vain |
| 03:29.33 | wad | It's called ntpq for some reason... |
| 03:29.49 | wad | Ah, there it is! ntpq! |
| 03:31.26 | wad | man ntpq is useless. Though it shows me where to find some more docs... |
| 03:31.35 | wad | Man, ntp sure was a lot easier under SUSE. |
| 03:31.44 | justin | wad: what debian release are you using? |
| 03:31.48 | wad | sarge |
| 03:31.57 | wad | I just installed it yesterday. |
| 03:33.14 | lunitik | apt-get install ntpdate .... whats so hard about that? |
| 03:33.37 | wad | I did "ntp", not "ntpdate". |
| 03:33.42 | justin | lunitik: reading the package descriptions and installing the right packages, apparently |
| 03:33.45 | lunitik | wad: don't |
| 03:34.01 | wad | I even tried apt-find search ntp to figure out the name of the package to use... it seemed to be a bunch of spam. Made little sense. |
| 03:34.06 | lunitik | justin: hah |
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| 03:35.16 | wad | Ah, I should have looked at the output of apt-cache show ntp |
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| 03:37.01 | wad | Yay! ntp is now running! I needed ntp-simple |
| 03:37.57 | lunitik | isn't ntp-simple a daemon? not what you want either |
| 03:38.14 | wad | I don't? This is a server I'm setting up.... |
| 03:38.26 | wad | I'd like it to automatically sync it's clock every once in a while. |
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| 03:39.18 | lunitik | wad: ntp-simple will allow you to sync other machines to that one........ |
| 03:39.26 | wad | Ohhh.... |
| 03:39.57 | wad | ysy! |
| 03:40.00 | wad | yay! |
| 03:40.03 | wad | ntpdate was the winner. |
| 03:40.09 | wad | My clock is now set properly. |
| 03:41.34 | wad | I'm a much happier camper now. And I learned Good Stuff in the process. |
| 03:41.40 | Nwallins|home | does the etch bootloader expect initrd kernels? |
| 03:42.08 | lunitik | Nwallins|home: by default, yes |
| 03:42.32 | Nwallins|home | lunitik: thanks |
| 03:42.59 | lunitik | Nwallins|home: check out /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:44.11 | mfrisch | does anyone know how to use evm I'm about to toss my computer out the window |
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| 03:44.55 | pickcoder | hrm.. can anyone explain to me how the init.d file works for the packager? |
| 03:44.56 | silvertip257 | My desktop rig just booted up and started the fsk utility, but remains there for much too long |
| 03:45.13 | pickcoder | The new maint guide isn't exactly thorough |
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| 03:46.02 | wad | Hmmm... hwclock shows a time 12 hours earlier than the date command. Is this allright? |
| 03:46.46 | lunitik | wad: where are you? |
| 03:46.50 | wad | Utah |
| 03:46.58 | wad | 7 hours difference from UTC. |
| 03:46.59 | mfrisch | wad I'm sorry |
| 03:47.05 | lunitik | wad: then no... it should be 7 hours ahead |
| 03:47.10 | wad | Great snowboarding here. :) |
| 03:47.22 | mfrisch | up north maybe. |
| 03:47.34 | wad | Yeah, I'm near Salt Lake City. |
| 03:47.53 | wad | Less than 1 hours from my driveway to world-class powder. |
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| 03:48.17 | mfrisch | wad go drivin near the grean river in the south along 40 different world |
| 03:48.18 | wad | Is it possible to set the hardware time from debian? |
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| 03:48.37 | wad | I stay away from the southern part of the state. I hate deserts. |
| 03:48.53 | phreqmod | wad, man hwclock |
| 03:49.20 | wad | lol, that's too easy, phreqmod. |
| 03:49.48 | wad | done. |
| 03:49.53 | phreqmod | well, most are after one knows of their existance |
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| 03:50.20 | silvertip257 | my desktop will not boot into Ubuntu 6.10, it stops after I see the message about doing a file system check w/ fsck |
| 03:50.51 | mfrisch | silvertip257 sounds like a personal problem |
| 03:50.53 | pickcoder | silvertip257: #ubuntu may be able to help |
| 03:50.57 | wad | silvertip257, did you try swearing at it a lot? |
| 03:51.00 | silvertip257 | lmao |
| 03:51.05 | silvertip257 | well I'm in ubuntu now |
| 03:51.12 | mfrisch | no first a little then a lot |
| 03:51.21 | wad | silvertip257, just upgrade to Windows. |
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| 03:51.37 | silvertip257 | haha |
| 03:51.43 | silvertip257 | you'd better duck |
| 03:51.50 | wad | rofl |
| 03:52.04 | mfrisch | !lol |
| 03:52.04 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:52.05 | silvertip257 | all right mfrisch |
| 03:52.15 | silvertip257 | and pickcoder I'm in ubuntu, thanks |
| 03:52.21 | wad | s/AOL user/AO Luser/ |
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| 03:52.26 | silvertip257 | HAHAHAHAHHA |
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| 03:53.00 | wad | dpkg has no sense of humor |
| 03:53.18 | lunitik | !lart wad |
| 03:53.33 | wad | I take it back! I TAKE IT BACK! |
| 03:53.38 | vn | ouch |
| 03:54.01 | vn | I did read "dpkg pours hot girls down the from of wad's pants" |
| 03:54.02 | vn | lo |
| 03:54.05 | vn | l |
| 03:54.10 | pickcoder | wad: atleast you left it a plural noun when asking |
| 03:54.10 | wad | BWAHAHA! |
| 03:54.23 | vn | front* |
| 03:54.24 | pickcoder | so many people who don't know what grits are ask what a "grit" is |
| 03:54.29 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 03:54.35 | wad | My wife might object to the pouring of hot girls into my pants. Especially when I'm still wearing them! |
| 03:54.57 | wad | I've heard of "grits". I know it's some sort of food. |
| 03:55.14 | wad | Seems like all food I eat while camping could be called "grits". |
| 03:55.19 | wad | Bits of sand, you see. |
| 03:55.21 | pickcoder | it's ground hominy |
| 03:55.37 | wad | Oh, like corn? |
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| 03:55.41 | pickcoder | when they're dry they're like gritty sand |
| 03:55.44 | pickcoder | yes |
| 03:55.51 | pickcoder | similar to polenta |
| 03:55.59 | pickcoder | but this is #debian, not #food |
| 03:55.59 | wad | Never heard of polenta. |
| 03:56.01 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 03:56.08 | vn | similar to Kasa |
| 03:56.11 | vn | or Kassa |
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| 03:56.12 | wad | Hey, dpkg started it. Kick the bot! |
| 03:56.30 | mfrisch | kasha isn't ground so much |
| 03:56.38 | vn | err Kassa |
| 03:56.51 | vn | did you watch Stargate SG-1 s9/19? |
| 03:56.54 | vn | 10* |
| 03:57.03 | vn | :p |
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| 03:59.30 | vn | ok, I killed the conversation :\ |
| 03:59.52 | mfrisch | were geeks not geeks |
| 04:00.01 | abrotman | vn: did you turn off your system stats thing ? |
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| 04:00.43 | vn | system stats thing? |
| 04:01.01 | mfrisch | abrotman you know anything about setting up evm? |
| 04:01.02 | abrotman | vn: moo |
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| 04:01.25 | vn | ooh that |
| 04:01.25 | vn | ok |
| 04:01.25 | abrotman | mfrisch: the LVM type thing ? |
| 04:01.26 | vn | minute. |
| 04:01.32 | abrotman | thank you |
| 04:01.43 | vn | voila |
| 04:02.12 | mfrisch | abrotman yeah I've been staring at its ncurses prog not getting anywhere. I get dm errors and don't know if it's working or not |
| 04:04.49 | abrotman | never used it |
| 04:07.58 | mfrisch | its got a few features that lvm doesn't but I have gotten nowhere it supports clusters snapshots badblock relocation while supporting dm-raid it would be great if I could get it to work |
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| 04:11.47 | Gokee2 | If I turn on NoMaxPClkCheck that should turn mode validation off? I ask because it does not seem to... From my xorg log "(II) NVIDIA(0): Mode Validation Overrides for Seiko (DFP-0): (II) NVIDIA(0): NoMaxPClkCheck (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: DFP-0 (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1680x1050"; removing." Why would it remove it if its not validating? |
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| 04:12.31 | analyzer | hello all |
| 04:12.46 | analyzer | i think to migrate from gentoo on debian |
| 04:13.09 | lunitik | Gokee2: #nvidia |
| 04:13.17 | wad | Woo-hoo! Got ddclient working, finally! |
| 04:13.40 | lunitik | analyzer: cool!? |
| 04:13.52 | lunitik | wad: dhclient? |
| 04:13.55 | Azar | analyzer: what made you think about that? |
| 04:13.56 | vn | analyzer: nice move |
| 04:14.01 | wad | No, ddclient. |
| 04:14.11 | wad | I run websites from a dynamic IP address. |
| 04:14.13 | lunitik | wad: ahh... dyndns... nm |
| 04:14.14 | mfrisch | wad no-ip works great for me |
| 04:14.39 | Gokee2 | lunitik, ok |
| 04:14.43 | analyzer | now i just think.... |
| 04:14.54 | lunitik | Azar: probably sick of waiting hours to upgrade things |
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| 04:15.16 | JordiGH | Ooh, the colours in etch's KDE are a little less sombre and dark than before. |
| 04:15.16 | JordiGH | I mean, the background. |
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| 04:15.17 | analyzer | can i update debian via the internet? |
| 04:15.30 | mfrisch | yes |
| 04:15.33 | analyzer | have debian last versions of gnome? |
| 04:15.35 | mfrisch | and install it |
| 04:15.35 | lunitik | JordiGH: defaults are there to be changed! |
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| 04:15.39 | analyzer | i mean dev version |
| 04:15.45 | mfrisch | no |
| 04:15.55 | analyzer | thats bad |
| 04:16.10 | Azar | analyzer: weren't you earlier today here? asking about debian packaging ? |
| 04:16.13 | analyzer | and i dont need to compile apps anymore? |
| 04:16.15 | lunitik | analyzer: nope... Debian maintainers of Gnome have to wait until things are in Ubuntu, as Canonical employs them :/ |
| 04:16.36 | mfrisch | lunitik what? |
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| 04:16.45 | Azar | hahaha lunitik |
| 04:16.48 | lunitik | mfrisch: yeah... pretty lame |
| 04:17.05 | Azar | ...which reminds me to check #debian-women .... |
| 04:17.09 | analyzer | if ubuntu have last version of gnome then i will try ubunto first:) |
| 04:17.28 | lunitik | analyzer: feisty has 2.17.x |
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| 04:17.49 | analyzer | and ubunto also possible to be upgraded by internet? |
| 04:18.04 | analyzer | and no long time compiling apps? |
| 04:18.17 | lunitik | analyzer: ubuntu is very similar to debian |
| 04:18.33 | mfrisch | lunitik I use to like gnome alot but have been getting better results with kde. Gnome allways would mess up something in /home and not login. |
| 04:19.37 | lunitik | mfrisch: I hate gnome |
| 04:20.15 | korihor | gnome rulez!!! |
| 04:20.17 | mfrisch | lunitik I use some gnome panels in kde for sport but thats all I can handle. |
| 04:20.18 | korihor | ;p |
| 04:20.37 | Azar | hey where is #debian-women? it used to be one right? |
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| 04:21.16 | lunitik | mfrisch: I like Kicker... |
| 04:21.17 | Azar | I was sent to #unavailable |
| 04:21.40 | Azar | and I am really curious to see if there is such a channel |
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| 04:22.07 | mfrisch | lunitik me too. I just like gnome's weather applet. |
| 04:22.10 | Azar | abrotman, you know what is going on? |
| 04:22.22 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 04:22.29 | Azar | #debian-women |
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| 04:22.43 | abrotman | dunno where it went |
| 04:22.53 | Azar | oh.... thanks |
| 04:23.46 | lunitik | mfrisch: I prefer my panels to be fairly empty... have you tried superkaramba? |
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| 04:24.16 | arrenlex | I have my apt-build repository pinned the highest, but it still tries to install packages from testing even though they're in my apt-build. Why? |
| 04:24.44 | mfrisch | lunitik I perfer my desktop to be clean, I here kde |
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| 04:24.52 | JordiGH | Wow. KDE is running faster, I daresay! |
| 04:25.12 | mfrisch | lunitik is going thin |
| 04:25.14 | Nwallins|home | should I have a .deb in . after make-kpgk kernel_image ? |
| 04:25.17 | arrenlex | JordiGH: Are you from kubuntu? |
| 04:25.26 | Nwallins|home | er, make-kpkg |
| 04:25.30 | xtknight | Nwallins|home, in ../ |
| 04:25.33 | Gokee2 | What could be the problem loging into a computer with "ssh name@ip -y" so that trying to start x programs results in "cannot connect to X server"? |
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| 04:25.47 | Nwallins|home | xtknight: ha! thanks |
| 04:25.52 | mfrisch | Gokee2 use ssh -X and turn it on the server |
| 04:26.00 | JordiGH | arrenlex: Uh, no. I'm a Debianista! |
| 04:26.39 | JordiGH | arrenlex: It's just that my hard drive was getting cluttered, packages were getting old, and the easiest way I could think of cleaning out my hard drive and getting newer packages was by reinstalling. I didn't want to mess around with aptitude. |
| 04:26.46 | arrenlex | Oh, okay. |
| 04:26.56 | xixor | damn, I am having network troubles. My network interface goes down intermittently, I get this error in /var/log/messages: kernel: e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link down, and then 2 seconds later the link will go back up |
| 04:27.03 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, What do you mean by "turn it on the server"? I just tried -X and got the same problem |
| 04:27.29 | Steven_M | I've got a strange clock problem. As it should root uses the new zealand time zone, for some reason my regular user is still using UTC. |
| 04:27.44 | mfrisch | Gokee2 in /etc/ssh/sshd.conf xforwarding needs to be uncommented and then restart ssh |
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| 04:27.59 | JordiGH | Can Ubuntu encrypt partitions at install time? I've been raving about this feature of the Debian installer all night. :-) |
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| 04:28.04 | Steven_M | any idea how to fix it. |
| 04:28.09 | Steven_M | ? |
| 04:28.23 | slidesinger | Trying to compile something which requires header files installed. Problem - when I go to compile, the version does not match the running kernel. As the headers report version as: UTS_RELEASE, I am quite certain it is simply a matter of assigning the correct value to the variable. Does anyone know how I might accomplish this? |
| 04:28.27 | Azar | eehehehe nice tips to solve gcc compiler errors: http://www.digitalfanatics.org/index.php?title=CompilerErrors |
| 04:28.30 | bzed | JordiGH: ask #ubuntu |
| 04:28.46 | bzed | JordiGH: but I guess the etch installer pwns them all ;) |
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| 04:28.58 | JordiGH | Heh, I should know better than to mention the big U here. ;-) |
| 04:29.02 | arrenlex | JordiGH: Suse can, as I found out... but I had to download a giant torrent of five isos, and modify three of them to remove crap so they would fit on my CDRWs, so I don't like suse. |
| 04:29.22 | Nwallins|home | after dpkg -i linux-image, I get: Running postinst hook script /sbin/update-grub. \n You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead! -- report this? |
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| 04:29.57 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, Ah thanks! |
| 04:29.58 | mIRCTRUser-366 | hello |
| 04:30.01 | Nwallins|home | linux-image is a custom image from make-kpkg |
| 04:30.09 | mfrisch | Gokee2 does it work now? |
| 04:30.19 | Azar | Steven_M: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 04:30.20 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, Yes :) |
| 04:30.31 | Azar | tonight is everyones clocks issue |
| 04:30.57 | mIRCTRUser-366 | i have a question about gunzip, there is a backup file of hosting server. when i gunzip it, it extracts just a single file. its huge and in text format.. how can i extract it via folders? |
| 04:31.10 | JordiGH | "folders" |
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| 04:31.12 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 04:31.14 | mIRCTRUser-366 | ues folders |
| 04:31.15 | mfrisch | Azar we need to make ntp alarm clocks ;-) |
| 04:31.16 | mIRCTRUser-366 | yes |
| 04:31.26 | JordiGH | mIRC |
| 04:31.37 | JordiGH | mIRCTRUser-366: Is the file named .tar.gz ? |
| 04:31.44 | mIRCTRUser-366 | no its not a tarball |
| 04:31.51 | Azar | mfrisch: I got me an radio wave clock that gets time from Colorado |
| 04:31.52 | lunitik | mfrisch: or just use cron to play something... or kalarm etc |
| 04:32.04 | mIRCTRUser-366 | JordiGH : its in backup folder and name ise 03022007backup |
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| 04:32.19 | Azar | but you know what, it would be nice if someone could write an alarm clock screensaver for Debian |
| 04:32.21 | mIRCTRUser-366 | JordiGH : when i " file 03.." it says its a gzip file |
| 04:32.31 | mfrisch | I want a wifi clock so I can play streams |
| 04:32.43 | JordiGH | mIRCTRUser-366: So it's a big text file. That's what it is. Want a perl hack to break it up into smaller files? |
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| 04:33.06 | Azar | mfrisch: hehe |
| 04:33.07 | lunitik | mfrisch: you can use kalarm to play a stream via amarok afaik |
| 04:33.36 | littlerock | what iso should I need to install debian ? |
| 04:33.48 | lunitik | littlerock: what kind of hardware do you have? |
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| 04:33.56 | Azar | I would like my screensaver to show the Dali's clock and to actually have a wakeup alarm |
| 04:34.01 | mfrisch | lunitik I think in my future I will have a pc in every room but now its not feesible. |
| 04:34.02 | littlerock | lunitik: i386 |
| 04:34.23 | lunitik | littlerock: ok... and this is for a desktop? |
| 04:34.28 | Azar | mfrisch: the only place left for a PC in my apartment is the bathroom |
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| 04:35.05 | littlerock | lunitik: no matter, I mean minium packages |
| 04:35.15 | lunitik | !tell littlerock about etch installer |
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| 04:35.23 | mfrisch | Azar I think there will be thin clients everywhere we can think of. |
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| 04:35.34 | Azar | markybob: you ever know a woman to use debian, or more, to be a debian developer ? |
| 04:35.43 | lunitik | littlerock: get the latest RC for 386 there |
| 04:35.50 | markybob | Azar, yes. use |
| 04:35.57 | arrenlex | I once talked to a woman, and I use debian! :D |
| 04:35.59 | lunitik | Azar: there are a few |
| 04:36.01 | arrenlex | Is that close enough? |
| 04:36.15 | Azar | markybob: because I wanted to see if they really exist and #debian-women is no more here |
| 04:36.25 | mfrisch | isn't debian named after a woman |
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| 04:36.29 | lunitik | Azar: try on OFTC |
| 04:36.36 | Azar | aaahhh I see |
| 04:36.44 | krazykit | mfrisch: half-named, anyway |
| 04:36.48 | lunitik | mfrisch: it's named after Ian Murdock, and his wife Debra |
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| 04:36.51 | Azar | mfrisch: no... deb is for the woman ian for her husband |
| 04:36.54 | markybob | Azar, this isnt the official server anymore :) that's probably why |
| 04:37.04 | Azar | ah I see |
| 04:37.18 | lunitik | !oftc |
| 04:37.18 | dpkg | well, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 04:37.40 | markybob | Azar, in fact, irc.debian.org redirects to oftc |
| 04:37.59 | Azar | ok I will check it out, I am curious |
| 04:38.41 | mfrisch | Azar I knew there was a Debra in there but I have seen women Debian users, even in here. I find it sexy |
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| 04:39.31 | mIRCTRUser-366 | there is backup in my server, is it possible to restore just some files? |
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| 04:40.52 | mfrisch | mIRCTRUser-366 depends what kind of backup you have |
| 04:42.24 | Azar | omg they ARE debian women out there!!! |
| 04:43.14 | littlerock | lunitik: thankyou |
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| 04:46.44 | JordiGH | I once saw a girl walking down the street, wearing a shirt with the mythical spiral. I asked her if she was a DD, but she said she was only a user. Still, I was kinda excited to meet my first flesh and bones Debianista, her sex being rather incidental. |
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| 04:48.32 | |chiz| | anyone here know how to make sudo prompt for a password? |
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| 04:48.45 | Ahilyla | hi someone can hel me with grep command. |
| 04:48.51 | Ahilyla | i grep a mysql logs.. |
| 04:48.56 | Ahilyla | and it give me binary matches |
| 04:49.01 | Ahilyla | instead of the matched line.. |
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| 04:49.02 | markybob | Ahilyla, http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/grep.html |
| 04:49.09 | markybob | Ahilyla, nm |
| 04:49.09 | Ahilyla | someone got suggestion |
| 04:49.14 | JordiGH | |chiz|: It should prompt by default, but it has a bug where it doesn't if the user sudoing is in the sudoers group. |
| 04:49.16 | markybob | Ahilyla, mysql has its own log tool |
| 04:49.26 | Ahilyla | oh rlaly? |
| 04:49.43 | Ahilyla | wat is it |
| 04:49.46 | markybob | mysqlbinlog |
| 04:50.26 | Ahilyla | how does it work |
| 04:50.35 | Ahilyla | im trying to find few line in the logs.. |
| 04:50.37 | markybob | Ahilyla, c'mon, dude. man mysqlbinlog |
| 04:51.44 | |chiz| | I take it no one here knows about sudo? |
| 04:51.51 | JordiGH | |chiz|: I responded above... |
| 04:51.57 | |chiz| | oh sorry |
| 04:52.02 | |chiz| | didn't see it |
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| 04:52.42 | JordiGH | Part of the bug's behaviour is that environment variables for the sudo'ed action aren't set properly either. |
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| 04:54.32 | vn- | configure: error: Cannot find either the gdbm or the db library. <====in what package should I get this? |
| 04:55.04 | markybob | vn, apt-get install libgdbm-dev |
| 04:55.25 | JordiGH | vn-: For future reference, apt-cache search or search in packages.debian.org |
| 04:55.25 | |chiz| | JordiGH: I don't have a user called sudoing |
| 04:55.53 | JordiGH | |chiz|: And the user sudoing ("sudo" is a verb, you see...) isn't in the sudoers group> |
| 04:55.57 | JordiGH | ? |
| 04:56.45 | |chiz| | ah sorry, my brain is shit tonight |
| 04:57.13 | |chiz| | I'm going to go play cs and go to sleep |
| 04:57.16 | |chiz| | good night |
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| 04:58.32 | litage_ | i just found out my box is using OSS. how do i switch to ALSA? |
| 04:58.40 | sid | Where is the dpl debate channel? |
| 04:59.03 | Azar | closed, sid |
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| 04:59.05 | JordiGH | Is the dpl debate on right now? |
| 04:59.09 | Azar | you are late |
| 04:59.19 | sid | #debian-dpl-discuss |
| 04:59.20 | sid | found it |
| 04:59.26 | JordiGH | Aww... Where are the logs? |
| 04:59.32 | Azar | like .... 6 yours late |
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| 05:00.05 | vn- | JordiGH: thanks, I got it, just didn't think to take the -dev |
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| 05:00.57 | pickcoder | anyone willing to test a few releases of a package for me? |
| 05:01.07 | Azar | litage_: use /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 05:01.23 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Ooh, ooh me! I like bugs! Pick me! |
| 05:01.29 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 05:01.31 | litage_ | thanks Azar |
| 05:02.16 | pickcoder | I will have to manually build a few older releases of the software before I can offer some upgrade tests |
| 05:02.29 | Azar | litage_: then #comment your oss module in /etc/modules and insert the snd_xxxxx module for your audio, instruct your player to use alsa |
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| 05:02.37 | JordiGH | pickcoder: You are building a dotdeb, right? |
| 05:02.42 | pickcoder | correct |
| 05:02.54 | pickcoder | I had a repos here, but I moved my DNS |
| 05:03.03 | pickcoder | else you could just update your sources |
| 05:03.20 | pickcoder | I won't be hosting the .deb hopefully |
| 05:03.21 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 05:03.30 | JordiGH | What's the package for? |
| 05:03.34 | litage_ | Azar: i don't seem to have an oss module listed in /etc/modules . the reason i think i'm currently using oss is because of this: http://rafb.net/p/kIeUs576.html |
| 05:03.36 | pickcoder | OpenQM |
| 05:03.40 | pickcoder | www.openqm.org |
| 05:03.44 | JordiGH | Quantum Mechanics? |
| 05:03.48 | litage_ | Azar: is my conclusion incorrect? |
| 05:03.51 | pickcoder | no it's a DBMS |
| 05:04.12 | pickcoder | I'm trying to get more interest in it, from outside the Pick world |
| 05:04.20 | pickcoder | and a debian package may help a lot |
| 05:04.22 | JordiGH | Database managing system? |
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| 05:04.32 | JordiGH | Are you the upstream author? |
| 05:04.40 | Azar | litage_: yep no oss module there then you should have alsa working |
| 05:04.41 | pickcoder | JordiGH: yes.. database management system |
| 05:04.55 | Azar | maybe your player does not run alsa, check it out |
| 05:05.12 | pickcoder | JordiGH: Ladybridge Systems Ltd is, but I can fork my own copy based on the GPL |
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| 05:05.21 | pickcoder | I don't want to do that though.. I don't have the time |
| 05:05.33 | helmon | trying to set up vpn between 2 wlans by following an example but hit the wall straight away. it says the internal addrs of the 2 wlans should not overlap but most networks uses addr range of 192.168.1.x. any better example anywhere? |
| 05:05.55 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Hm. They have a proprietary and a free version, according to their website (most people mean "proprietary" when they say "commercial", right?) |
| 05:06.05 | pickcoder | JordiGH: it's a dual-licensed |
| 05:06.15 | pickcoder | you have no support with the Linux-only GPL release |
| 05:06.23 | pickcoder | and you're free to distribute it under the GPL |
| 05:06.49 | pickcoder | source is provided |
| 05:06.59 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 05:07.00 | litage_ | Azar: i didn't have alsa-utils installed though. would that matter? |
| 05:07.09 | JordiGH | So what do they mean that they have a "closed source" version? |
| 05:07.14 | pickcoder | if you want support, you have to pay for the commercial release |
| 05:07.27 | pickcoder | the closed source is the fully-supported commercial version |
| 05:07.43 | pickcoder | it contains features that may or may not be in the GPL tree |
| 05:07.54 | helmon | anyone using openvpn? |
| 05:07.57 | liable | cardbus |
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| 05:08.04 | pickcoder | the same is true for features that are added to the GPL tree.. they may or may not end up in the commercial version |
| 05:08.08 | pickcoder | helmon: yes |
| 05:08.29 | JordiGH | So it is a proprietary version. |
| 05:08.38 | helmon | pickcoder: peer-to-peer between two wlans? |
| 05:08.47 | pickcoder | JordiGH: it could potentially be, yes |
| 05:08.51 | Xenguy | helmon: no but I hear good things in general |
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| 05:08.59 | JordiGH | Anyways, I'm not sure I shoud have volunteered to help. I'm about to go to bed. |
| 05:09.14 | pickcoder | helmon: I use it for client to network connections |
| 05:09.22 | pickcoder | JordiGH: no big deal... |
| 05:09.38 | pickcoder | I'll probably end up wasting my time on it anyway, but I want to atleast make an effort |
| 05:09.54 | Azar | litage_: any reason not to install alsa-utils? |
| 05:09.54 | pickcoder | it's a nice DBMS and very flexible |
| 05:10.00 | JordiGH | What packages do you maintaing already? |
| 05:10.00 | pickcoder | shame it's not already available |
| 05:10.04 | JordiGH | maintain |
| 05:10.09 | helmon | pickcoder: trying to set up vpn between 2 wlans by following an example using openvpn but hit the wall straight away. it says the internal addrs of the 2 wlans should not overlap but most networks uses addr range of 192.168.1.x. any better example anywhere? |
| 05:10.25 | pickcoder | JordiGH: I don't maintain any |
| 05:10.31 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 05:10.33 | pickcoder | JordiGH: I would need to get someone to adopt it |
| 05:10.50 | pickcoder | I'm attempting to put together a package maintenace team right now |
| 05:10.56 | litage_ | Azar: no, not at all. i just installed it. i was just asking if it would have mattered that it wasn't installed until now |
| 05:11.05 | pickcoder | so that releases can be coordinated and sent to a DD on a monthly basis |
| 05:11.23 | JordiGH | The DD would only have to bless it? |
| 05:11.26 | litage_ | Azar: would not having alsa-utils installed cause my mixer/volume settings to not persist between reboots/X/KDE sessions? |
| 05:11.27 | pickcoder | yup |
| 05:11.30 | pickcoder | and upload it |
| 05:11.48 | JordiGH | That's rather polite. |
| 05:11.59 | JordiGH | What's your involvement with the upstream authors? |
| 05:12.06 | Azar | litage_: no, when you adjust volumes with alsamixer you save the settings with a spell I forgot which.. |
| 05:12.08 | pickcoder | GPL source and projects |
| 05:12.19 | Azar | let me look on my notes |
| 05:12.29 | pickcoder | I'm dedicated to the Pick DBMS world and have 2 web sites currently free for the community |
| 05:12.45 | pickcoder | OpenQM is the first real GPL project to hit our arena |
| 05:12.54 | pickcoder | and they are not getting anything back from the GPL world |
| 05:13.00 | litage_ | Azar: i've been using kmix in kde to adjust volumes |
| 05:13.05 | JordiGH | Aww, the poor souls. |
| 05:13.14 | JordiGH | Real philanthropists. Let's send them some bug reports! |
| 05:13.36 | pickcoder | the product has been around for a long time.. it doesn't really need bug fixes |
| 05:13.43 | craigevil | Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! that should save your alsa settings |
| 05:13.50 | JordiGH | How long has Windows been around? |
| 05:13.54 | pickcoder | the only changes made are ehancements or fixes to ehancements that didn't exactly work right |
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| 05:14.03 | litage_ | craigevil: ?? |
| 05:14.16 | ArtVandalae | JordiGH, since 1988 I think |
| 05:14.28 | JordiGH | ArtVandalae: It was a rhetorical question. ;-) |
| 05:14.34 | ArtVandalae | :P |
| 05:14.36 | Azar | litage_: alsactl store |
| 05:14.46 | pickcoder | JordiGH: the scope of your sarcasm is quite skewed here |
| 05:14.48 | helmon | Xenguy: if you can, read the debian admin doc "joining networks with openvpn"? |
| 05:14.58 | pickcoder | this is a relatively small DBMS.. not an operating system |
| 05:15.32 | Azar | litage_: I would not know about kde/gnome adjustments, I never used a desktop but this is how I save alsamixer settings |
| 05:17.19 | litage_ | Azar: i just discovered that alsa-utils installs /etc/init.d/alsa-utils and sets up a couple of startup/shutdown links to save and restore alsa mixer settings :) |
| 05:17.56 | Azar | oh nice |
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| 05:24.06 | sid | don_inlab / dondelelcaro are there any logs posted from the DPL debate yet? |
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| 05:25.09 | dondelelcaro | sid: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/projects/debian/dpl_debates/debian_dpl_debate_log |
| 05:25.30 | FrankieS | Hey |
| 05:25.32 | sid | thanks |
| 05:25.39 | FrankieS | can somebody help me |
| 05:25.39 | sid | !greet FrankieS |
| 05:25.40 | dpkg | Bonjour, FrankieS |
| 05:25.44 | FrankieS | I just upgraded to etch |
| 05:25.44 | sid | !tell FrankieS about ask |
| 05:25.53 | FrankieS | and xorg doesnt work |
| 05:26.15 | sid | FrankieS: put /etc/apt/sources.list on www.rafb.net/paste |
| 05:26.28 | FrankieS | during configuration it asked something about BUS things |
| 05:26.31 | FrankieS | to video card |
| 05:26.43 | FrankieS | I havent had I clue |
| 05:26.54 | FrankieS | so I pressed ESC |
| 05:27.27 | FrankieS | If I type startx |
| 05:27.52 | FrankieS | it says fatal server error no screens found |
| 05:28.38 | FrankieS | line above says Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration |
| 05:29.08 | FrankieS | any help eh? |
| 05:29.57 | FrankieS | sid: I can't |
| 05:30.07 | FrankieS | I'm stuck on console only |
| 05:32.19 | FrankieS | it says failed to load GLcore |
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| 05:32.30 | kingsley | FrankieS: It seems to me that you may benefit from searching google's archives for "dpkg-reconfigure" and xserver-xorg. Hopefully you can find documentation on how to reconfigure X. |
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| 05:34.14 | croddy | laz |
| 05:34.24 | croddy | errr nevermind |
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| 05:34.47 | sid | FrankieS: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install xserver-xorg x-window-system gnome gdm; |
| 05:34.54 | FrankieS | kingsley: thanks dude for this 'dpkg-reconfigure', I always forget it |
| 05:35.03 | FrankieS | okay |
| 05:35.11 | sid | dondelelcaro: Ever think about a voip conference via Ekiga as a debate medium? |
| 05:35.31 | FrankieS | How should I must know my video card's BusID? |
| 05:35.35 | sid | Or any sip compliant protocol, or whatever open standard people use these days. |
| 05:35.47 | sid | FrankieS: no, you don't have to know it, just hit enter. it doesn't matter. |
| 05:35.51 | lunitik | !tell FrankieS about widhe |
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| 05:39.22 | FrankieS | hey I don't have calc in console, please translate 128mb =into kb, and why is configuration asking these questions? |
| 05:39.58 | lunitik | FrankieS: just hit enter dude |
| 05:40.00 | maddash | FrankieS: `echo $[128*1024]` |
| 05:40.01 | Azar | FrankieS: if you have had read the release notes before you upgraded you'd know how to prepare before losing any configurations |
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| 05:40.55 | dondelelcaro | sid: kind of hard with 200 some odd people observing and participating in the debate |
| 05:41.14 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: you running this year? |
| 05:41.22 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 05:41.22 | Azar | sid not everyone uses/has voip |
| 05:41.42 | dondelelcaro | I won't ever have enough time to be DPL |
| 05:41.47 | Azar | dondelelcaro: did have you ran last year? |
| 05:41.55 | dondelelcaro | Azar: nope |
| 05:42.10 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: you seem like a fairly prominent figure... it's a shame |
| 05:42.19 | maddash | run for what? |
| 05:42.27 | Azar | dondelelcaro was great as host |
| 05:42.32 | lunitik | maddash: DPL ... Debian Project Leader |
| 05:42.49 | maddash | is it a paid position? |
| 05:42.51 | sid | dondelelcaro: What about you repeating peoples questions, and only the persons running for DPL are on the line. |
| 05:43.02 | lunitik | maddash: debateable.... hah |
| 05:43.09 | sid | Azar: no, but everyone can apt-get it. heh |
| 05:43.26 | dondelelcaro | sid: but you have to rebroadcast it to everyone who is watching |
| 05:43.31 | EdLin | maddash: no, not really. Debian is volunteer-developed (so far) |
| 05:43.36 | sid | But everyone might not have a mic, which you could ask all the candidates if they have one. only costs a few bucks |
| 05:43.41 | Azar | sid: the irc debate was ok and I guess it will be posted somewhere for your peruse |
| 05:43.57 | sid | Azar: yes, I'm reading it. I was just thinking audio would be neat. |
| 05:44.15 | dondelelcaro | it'll be on http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_001 shortly |
| 05:44.20 | Azar | :) |
| 05:44.22 | maddash | http://www.debian.org/devel/leader makes it sound boring. |
| 05:44.23 | sid | dondelelcaro: easy enough, icecast-server works. I have a box and bw if you ened it. |
| 05:44.34 | sid | s/ened/need/ |
| 05:44.53 | EdLin | maddash: if you find herding cats boring... |
| 05:44.54 | dondelelcaro | well, feel free to organize it; I personally dont' have the time or experience with it to really set it up |
| 05:45.06 | sid | I can stream mono ogg vorbis to a crapload of people with an unmetered 10mbit |
| 05:45.20 | sid | dondelelcaro: ok, I think I'll give it a try. |
| 05:45.24 | sid | dondelelcaro: When it the next debate? |
| 05:45.42 | Azar | the next dpl election.. next year? |
| 05:45.52 | dondelelcaro | next year |
| 05:45.57 | dondelelcaro | about the same time |
| 05:46.14 | sid | There aren't any other debates? or any other discussion or anything from the candidates? |
| 05:46.29 | sid | damn, ok well set an irssi timer to remind me in 360 days |
| 05:46.34 | Azar | I will still want to see dondelecaro as host on irc |
| 05:47.46 | Azar | sid can go and use a webcam whatever I like the irc format |
| 05:47.46 | Azar | Joey who? |
| 05:47.51 | lunitik | Azar: the guy that wrote most of the Installer |
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| 05:48.03 | Azar | ah, maybe he does not want to be |
| 05:48.16 | lunitik | Azar: very opinionated, and many seem to agree with him |
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| 05:49.30 | Azar | lunitik: I said my opinion: DPL does not need to deal with human emotions within the community, a team of 2-3 social-skilled members can be elected to form a member-relation task... |
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| 05:50.52 | tvn | anyone uses getmail to get mails from gmail ? |
| 05:51.13 | Azar | they could write recommendations to the DPL of what measures can be taken to enhance the general spirit of the community |
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| 05:55.42 | abhinay | Hi all |
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| 05:56.00 | abhinay | how can i specify a user and group for a mount (ext3 partition), it says "EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value", if I set options to default,uid=1000,gid=1000, Any Idea ? |
| 05:56.12 | maddash | is it possible to wipe the free space on my ext3 partition? |
| 05:56.25 | maddash | abhinay: check /etc/fstab |
| 05:56.48 | maddash | abhinay: synax error in fstab |
| 05:57.10 | Azar | hey I did not see Gustavo Franco on the debates! dondelecaro? |
| 05:57.21 | abhinay | the entry for the ext3 partition : /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ext3 defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
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| 05:58.47 | synx | Does fakechroot increase security at all? It's not a real chroot, but it does seem to limit some of the filesystem operations... |
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| 06:02.57 | arrenlex | Is there any way to use both my cores for compiling? |
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| 06:08.21 | dondelelcaro | arrenlex: use -j or similar |
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| 06:09.06 | knight | hi is where can i find a channel for geda? |
| 06:09.17 | arrenlex | g++: unrecognized option '-j' |
| 06:09.27 | knight | !geda |
| 06:09.28 | dpkg | methinks geda is the GNU EDA Project, http://www.geda.seul.org/ |
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| 06:10.55 | arrenlex | dondelelcaro: g++: unrecognized option '-j' |
| 06:11.55 | knight | im having a testing version of debian, if i want to install a new software is it required that i install the testing version itself or can i install stable or other ? |
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| 06:14.06 | dondelelcaro | arrenlex: it's an option to make, not g++ |
| 06:14.21 | markybob | damnit, kmuto.jp, come back! |
| 06:14.41 | arrenlex | dondelelcaro: Oh. So make will split it up for the compiler? |
| 06:17.40 | Azar | knight: your aptitude installs whatever your Debian version has available in its repositories. Recommended is to go what is going with your Debian version, if you want something that is not there but higher, in the unstable repositories, use backports |
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| 06:18.10 | piper69 | how can i tell what chipset i have for my netgear pcmcia wireless card please help |
| 06:18.33 | Azar | piper69: lspci lists all your devices |
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| 06:18.42 | FrankieS | hey, I came here to thank those who helped me, It' all perfect now |
| 06:19.03 | Azar | nice of you, FrankieS |
| 06:19.19 | FrankieS | I've had some problems with non working mouse wheel after that, but it fixed now too |
| 06:19.30 | Azar | cool good for you |
| 06:19.38 | maddash | !wipe |
| 06:19.53 | FrankieS | bye and thanks again |
| 06:20.14 | markybob | fuck wipe |
| 06:20.39 | Azar | maddash: are you Joey? |
| 06:20.43 | maddash | ... |
| 06:20.43 | markybob | srm |
| 06:21.09 | maddash | Azar: "joey"? joey who? |
| 06:21.22 | maddash | I'm still trying to wipe my free space |
| 06:21.24 | Azar | Joey that used to keep the debian weekly news |
| 06:21.44 | markybob | maddash, fuck that. for that you want sfill |
| 06:21.50 | vn- | nosthing like dBan to wipe data |
| 06:21.52 | dondelelcaro | dpgk: wipe is <reply> wipe is a command that you can use to relatively securely remove files. aptitude install wipe; and man wipe; for further infomration and important comments. |
| 06:22.01 | piper69 | Azar: and how would i know which one it which? |
| 06:22.02 | markybob | maddash, apt-get install secure-delete. will provide sfill and srm which is far better than wipe |
| 06:22.09 | maddash | dpkg: wipe is <reply> wipe is a command that you can use to relatively securely remove files. aptitude install wipe; and man wipe; for further infomration and important comments. |
| 06:22.09 | dpkg | # dd if=/dev/zero of=is <reply> wipe is a command that you can use to relatively securely remove files. aptitude install wipe; and man wipe; for further infomration and important comments. |
| 06:22.22 | maddash | dondelelcaro: :P |
| 06:22.31 | Azar | piper69: would have to say something related to ethernet .... |
| 06:23.05 | arrenlex | Ah, dpkg. What would we do without infomration? |
| 06:23.06 | piper69 | Azar: but isn't that the bulid in ethernet |
| 06:23.13 | Azar | piper69: not sure about the exact wording when it comes to wifi... |
| 06:23.31 | Azar | piper69: paste it let's see where might be |
| 06:23.50 | maddash | !srm |
| 06:23.54 | maddash | oops |
| 06:24.03 | Azar | should say something about ethernet controller |
| 06:24.18 | markybob | maddash, srm is in secure-delete package |
| 06:24.34 | maddash | markybob: yes, i'm looking for the source |
| 06:24.37 | dondelelcaro | markybob: srm doesn't do anything that wipe can't |
| 06:24.44 | piper69 | Azar: paste it here or in #flood |
| 06:24.51 | Azar | !paster |
| 06:24.52 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 06:25.48 | markybob | dondelelcaro, it does. it renames files/directories, has a larger blocksize, has a big buffer, etc |
| 06:26.25 | dondelelcaro | markybob: uh... wipe renames files and directories too |
| 06:26.34 | piper69 | Azar: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5677 |
| 06:26.58 | maddash | markybob: got a link? I can't find it on google... |
| 06:27.07 | dondelelcaro | maddash: it's a package in Debian too |
| 06:27.11 | markybob | dondelelcaro, which version? i see that up to 0.56-2a it didnt |
| 06:27.22 | markybob | maddash, it's a package. that's why i said apt-get install secure-delete :-) |
| 06:27.25 | maddash | dondelelcaro: i meant a web site, like sf.net or something |
| 06:27.35 | dondelelcaro | markybob: 0.21-2 does |
| 06:27.44 | maddash | markybob: i want the vanilla source... |
| 06:27.53 | markybob | dondelelcaro, i respectfully disagree. not according to the does in /usr/share/doc/secure-delete |
| 06:27.53 | Azar | piper69: Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller |
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| 06:28.00 | markybob | dondelelcaro, s/does/docs |
| 06:28.19 | piper69 | Azar: ok, how is that telling me which chipset |
| 06:28.50 | dondelelcaro | markybob: well, the documentation is wrong, unfortunatly. |
| 06:28.55 | tvn | what's the simplest way to make a maildir ? |
| 06:29.08 | Azar | well, I can see splashed everywhere: Brookdale Intel Chipset |
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| 06:30.17 | Azar | like my mobo has everywhere Via Chipset, it looks like yours is a Brookdale Chipset |
| 06:30.45 | markybob | dondelelcaro, have a link? |
| 06:31.07 | dondelelcaro | markybob: I'm reading right from the manpage, and moreover, I've used it quite a few times. |
| 06:33.45 | EdLin | maddash: the whole point to running Debian is that you can apt-get nearly everything. If you're searching for stuff on the web instead, you might as well run something else. |
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| 06:35.23 | Knight_Lord | I have a file with 10 lines and I want to duplicate every line. How can I do that? |
| 06:36.44 | markybob | Knight_Lord, if you had just copied and pasted you'd be done by now |
| 06:37.22 | maddash | markybob: haha. not if he wanted > 99 copies.. |
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| 06:37.48 | maddash | Knight_Lord: `cat [filename] >> [filename]` |
| 06:37.57 | htraki | hi, everybody |
| 06:38.07 | Knight_Lord | markybob it's 30k lines |
| 06:38.14 | markybob | madd_matt, that doesnt work |
| 06:38.26 | Knight_Lord | maddash I want to duplicate every line after the current one |
| 06:38.30 | markybob | maddash, you cant have input and output be the same |
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| 06:39.02 | Knight_Lord | like 1 2 becoming 1 1 2 2 |
| 06:39.17 | markybob | Knight_Lord, try #bash |
| 06:39.35 | Knight_Lord | Thanks, I'm just gonna cat and sort the result |
| 06:39.44 | htraki | I need some help, I would like to install debian linux thru netinst,but does not see my seagate hdd |
| 06:39.45 | maddash | Knight_Lord: it doesn't work |
| 06:40.08 | EdLin | !2.6.18 Sarge htraki |
| 06:40.12 | EdLin | !2.6.18 Sarge |
| 06:40.13 | htraki | yes |
| 06:40.19 | EdLin | darn |
| 06:40.28 | Knight_Lord | maddash you bet it does |
| 06:40.33 | hark | it's sarge 2.6.18 ;) |
| 06:40.47 | htraki | Is it on sata nf3 |
| 06:40.48 | maddash | Knight_Lord: odd. what cmd did you issue? |
| 06:41.01 | htraki | nothing |
| 06:41.10 | EdLin | hark: then maybe try a developer's edition of grml with the 2.6.20 kernel. :-) |
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| 06:41.19 | EdLin | htraki: ^^^ |
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| 06:41.29 | hark | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 06:41.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.20 is http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 06:41.37 | markybob | too bad it's down |
| 06:42.11 | hark | is it? |
| 06:42.48 | EdLin | markybob: are there no mirrors? |
| 06:43.01 | markybob | down for me, anyway. *shrug8 |
| 06:43.03 | markybob | * |
| 06:43.03 | htraki | thx for the help I gonna try it |
| 06:43.08 | EdLin | !thx |
| 06:43.08 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 06:43.21 | htraki | Thanks |
| 06:43.25 | hark | next generation.. ha |
| 06:43.33 | EdLin | htraki: you're welcome. :-) |
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| 06:44.16 | maddash | mmmmm 2.6.20 |
| 06:44.34 | EdLin | 2.6.20 also has KVM. |
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| 06:44.43 | EdLin | too bad it won't be in Etch. |
| 06:44.44 | maddash | hence the "mmmmm" |
| 06:44.53 | maddash | too bad I don't have hardware virtualization |
| 06:45.25 | maddash | i need H/W virt to use KVM, right? |
| 06:45.30 | arrenlex | Yes |
| 06:45.34 | hark | yeah, the sites ok |
| 06:46.10 | maddash | wipe doesn't do wipe free space |
| 06:46.17 | markybob | sfill sure does |
| 06:47.18 | sung | hrm |
| 06:47.42 | sung | I just downloaded the tzdata file from http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/tzdata, and installed it on my non testing system. |
| 06:47.52 | sung | said things like: |
| 06:47.52 | sung | Replacing files in old package libc6 ... |
| 06:47.53 | sung | Setting up tzdata (2007b-1) ... |
| 06:47.53 | sung | Current default timezone: 'US/Eastern'. |
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| 06:48.01 | sung | woops, sorry. |
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| 06:49.48 | parsonsd | nice. - it's 3a |
| 06:49.52 | maddash | hm, seems like H/W Virt is no big deal |
| 06:50.05 | markybob | maddash, the speed difference is a big deal |
| 06:50.16 | markybob | maddash, compare qemu to kvm...unreal |
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| 06:50.46 | markybob | (and kvm uses a modified version of qemu) |
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| 06:51.50 | teledyn_ | happy time change |
| 06:52.17 | Jeff32 | whats a good Console based usenet downloader |
| 06:52.17 | parsonsd | 2a, 3a, what's the diff? (or according to my gw, 01:19:57) |
| 06:52.31 | teledyn_ | is europe also going to change? |
| 06:52.42 | dondelelcaro | teledyn_: no |
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| 06:52.52 | maddash | markybob: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/12/2028223&from=rss |
| 06:53.06 | maddash | markybob: qemu is generally slow without kqemu |
| 06:53.19 | markybob | maddash, that's your problem. you cant take everything you see on /. as fact :) |
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| 06:53.54 | maddash | markybob: follow the link |
| 06:53.54 | hark | fuse:x:109: |
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| 06:54.26 | markybob | maddash, i did. and i know from personal experience (i do have hw virtualization) that it's a noticeable difference |
| 06:55.24 | maddash | markybob: what processor do you have? |
| 06:55.33 | markybob | maddash, turion64 x2 |
| 06:56.52 | maddash | markybob: pretty. |
| 06:57.01 | markybob | maddash, agreed :) |
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| 06:58.44 | sunpascal | how do i setup php with apache2 on debian? |
| 06:58.59 | sunpascal | i keep getting the php source rather than the rendered php file |
| 06:59.04 | piper69 | sunpascal: apt-cache search apache |
| 06:59.18 | markybob | apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 && a2enmod php5 |
| 06:59.24 | piper69 | sunpascal: the apt-get install it |
| 06:59.30 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: make sure there's an AddType for .php in your apache conf |
| 06:59.54 | sunpascal | k |
| 06:59.55 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: and also DirectoryIndex |
| 07:00.15 | sunpascal | i think i got php4 |
| 07:00.48 | sunpascal | can't find php5 |
| 07:00.55 | sunpascal | "no installation candidate" |
| 07:01.21 | markybob | !backports |
| 07:01.22 | dpkg | from memory, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 07:01.28 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: on sarge? |
| 07:01.37 | sunpascal | yes |
| 07:01.43 | sunpascal | i think so |
| 07:01.54 | maddash | holy crap |
| 07:01.56 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: either upgrade to etch or else you'll have to get a backport |
| 07:01.58 | maddash | it's 3am??? |
| 07:02.06 | maddash | shoot i lost an hour |
| 07:02.22 | sunpascal | hm |
| 07:02.22 | vn- | yup |
| 07:02.31 | markybob | maddash, damn est |
| 07:02.34 | vn- | everyone's doin well with the TZ data change? |
| 07:02.37 | teledyn_ | maddash: tomorrow evening you will be glad when the sun sets an hour later and feel happy |
| 07:02.42 | sunpascal | i just did "apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 && a2enmod php4" |
| 07:02.46 | vn- | indeed teledyn_ |
| 07:02.58 | sunpascal | i get "This module is already enabled!" |
| 07:03.04 | sunpascal | ist that good or bad?? |
| 07:03.16 | sunpascal | cool |
| 07:03.18 | sunpascal | fixed it |
| 07:03.31 | sunpascal | what does the && do ? |
| 07:03.32 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: it means that apache's already set up to load it. you still need to make sure that AddType for .php is set |
| 07:04.13 | sunpascal | yeah, seems to be working now |
| 07:04.15 | markybob | sunpascal, makes it run the second command even if the first command fails. |
| 07:04.34 | sunpascal | ok, i see |
| 07:04.44 | damog | vn-: Not _everyone_ has to make it. |
| 07:04.50 | hark | um |
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| 07:05.04 | teledyn_ | actually only runs second if first doesn't fail |
| 07:05.09 | arrenlex | markybob, sunpascal: No, it makes the second command run if and only if the first succeeds. Try it: false && echo hello |
| 07:05.12 | teledyn_ | false && echo "hello" |
| 07:05.23 | markybob | you're right. my bad |
| 07:05.31 | markybob | teaches me to get drunk and *then* irc ;) |
| 07:05.33 | teledyn_ | try false; echo "hello" |
| 07:05.37 | BUMBACL0T | how do i display my system's time? |
| 07:05.50 | sunpascal | date |
| 07:05.51 | markybob | BUMBACL0T, you're not serious, are you? |
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| 07:06.07 | sunpascal | lol - even i have figured that one out |
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| 07:06.16 | damog | BUMBACL0T: Use the 'date' command. |
| 07:06.26 | markybob | well, debian isnt the easiest thing to install. how do you get it on a machine and not know 'date' ? |
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| 07:07.03 | teledyn_ | hwclock and date |
| 07:07.11 | damog | You probably didn't install it. |
| 07:07.31 | arrenlex | markybob: Was woody the last version of debian you used? The debian installer is fantastic now. |
| 07:07.32 | damog | Too many variables to say you *have* to know the date command. |
| 07:08.18 | markybob | arrenlex, no. i do know that my mother couldnt install debian, though. meaning if you can do that, you should have to know 'date' |
| 07:08.51 | teledyn_ | markybob: meaning, if you can do that, you should be able to bake cookies? |
| 07:09.01 | damog | That is just wrong. |
| 07:09.07 | markybob | teledyn_, if you can bake a cake, you should be able to make cookies |
| 07:09.13 | arrenlex | markybob: If she didn't have to repartition, you can cruise through d-i on default values. |
| 07:09.30 | teledyn_ | markybob: exactly! |
| 07:09.49 | markybob | yes, because we all know that most mothers dont have existing full-disk partitions that need to be handled |
| 07:11.09 | arrenlex | markybob: No, I mean, given a computer without anything on it, set to boot from CD, a recent debian CD, and a network providing DHCP, you can install it by pressing enter over and over. |
| 07:11.39 | markybob | what mother do you know has a computer without anything on it? that's totally off the example used |
| 07:11.52 | sunpascal | can someone recommend a good gui text-editor? |
| 07:11.58 | sunpascal | for fluxbox |
| 07:12.00 | markybob | sunpascal, bluefish? |
| 07:12.04 | teledyn_ | someone shoudl qotd that |
| 07:12.05 | sunpascal | no kde, no gnome |
| 07:12.06 | arrenlex | No, you said she can't install debian. I'm saying that depends on what the complications. |
| 07:12.07 | markybob | sunpascal, depends what for |
| 07:12.14 | sunpascal | dude |
| 07:12.18 | sunpascal | i'm new to linux |
| 07:12.41 | sunpascal | most of what i found either needed libraries or looked like crap |
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| 07:13.25 | arrenlex | *SNEEZEinstallkdeACHOO* |
| 07:13.27 | arrenlex | *wipes nose* |
| 07:15.57 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: seriously, vim kicks ass. for something really elaborate there's openoffice.org-writer |
| 07:16.24 | BUMBACL0T | what time is it? |
| 07:16.29 | vn- | vim, ed, nano, joe |
| 07:16.30 | BUMBACL0T | did the time change yet? |
| 07:16.31 | markybob | game time? |
| 07:16.34 | vn- | 03:25:15 |
| 07:16.36 | vn- | EST |
| 07:16.50 | BUMBACL0T | 3:16AM EST here |
| 07:16.51 | vn- | BUMBACL0T depends on your TZ |
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| 07:17.00 | vn- | then you ok |
| 07:17.09 | BUMBACL0T | you're lil bit advanced |
| 07:18.14 | vn- | it's wanted |
| 07:18.14 | BUMBACL0T | so it changed right? |
| 07:18.14 | BUMBACL0T | it added 1 hour |
| 07:18.14 | vn- | yup^ |
| 07:18.15 | teledyn_ | i bet my microwave isn't going to like this TZ change one bit |
| 07:18.15 | markybob | BUMBACL0T, http://www.time.gov/ |
| 07:18.15 | BUMBACL0T | but my cell says 2:18AM still |
| 07:18.21 | ArtVandalae | sunpascal, beaver? |
| 07:18.23 | markybob | BUMBACL0T, turn it off and back on |
| 07:18.24 | sunpascal | bluefish seems pretty good |
| 07:19.00 | BUMBACL0T | really |
| 07:19.02 | BUMBACL0T | let me try |
| 07:19.32 | BUMBACL0T | yup |
| 07:19.32 | sunpascal | no openoffice is far too slow |
| 07:19.35 | BUMBACL0T | it changes the time |
| 07:19.37 | sunpascal | beave is a good choice |
| 07:19.42 | sunpascal | but a little too basic |
| 07:20.01 | sunpascal | i think bluefish is excactly what i'm looking for |
| 07:20.01 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: gedit, kwrite, etc. are nice |
| 07:20.03 | BUMBACL0T | so everything should be straight by now |
| 07:20.13 | BUMBACL0T | except my wallclock and alarmclock |
| 07:20.22 | sunpascal | gedit is ok |
| 07:20.30 | sunpascal | kwrite needs kde libraries, right? |
| 07:20.33 | BUMBACL0T | good thing though, i didn't have to mess with my debian box to change time |
| 07:20.46 | BUMBACL0T | but i had to patch my windows machine |
| 07:20.54 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: is that bad? |
| 07:21.18 | sunpascal | lol - i'm running it on a 300mhz machine with 256 ram |
| 07:21.47 | sunpascal | teledyn, kde takes up space and runs slower |
| 07:21.57 | sunpascal | it does look real pretty though |
| 07:21.58 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: not necessarily |
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| 07:22.16 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: but yeah probably it would be a little slower than gedit |
| 07:22.33 | sunpascal | do most gnome apps run on gtk ? |
| 07:22.43 | markybob | yes |
| 07:22.44 | sunpascal | or do they have their own libraries? |
| 07:22.45 | waspius | hello..i want to make a program shutdown in 20 minutes how can i do that?kill 1323 at 07:40? |
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| 07:23.15 | markybob | waspius, cron |
| 07:23.16 | teledyn_ | aren't the gnome libs though becoming more different than gtk? |
| 07:23.30 | markybob | !cron |
| 07:23.31 | dpkg | cron is a daemon that allows shell snippets or programs to be run at pre defined intervals as specific users. man 5 crontab; to read how to specify a cronjob to run; crontab -l; to see your crontab; crontab -e; to edit it. /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d are the system wide crontabs, and the other /etc/cron.*; are directories which have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab |
| 07:23.51 | arrenlex | waspius: If you don't want to mess with cron, just leave "sleep 20m && killall foobar" running. |
| 07:24.02 | markybob | !at |
| 07:24.02 | dpkg | at is probably a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. austria |
| 07:24.18 | markybob | so many choices :) |
| 07:24.22 | waspius | arrenlex: what is foobar? |
| 07:24.33 | markybob | waspius, variable. foobar = anything |
| 07:25.16 | waspius | ok |
| 07:25.16 | markybob | or fucked up beyond any recognition |
| 07:25.16 | arrenlex | waspius: Uh, the name of your application, or you can use "kill <pid>" there or any other command you like. |
| 07:25.16 | sunpascal | is there a good console app for fluxbox? |
| 07:25.16 | synx | f.u.b.a.r. |
| 07:25.16 | sunpascal | so that i dont have to press ctrl + alt + f1 every time? |
| 07:25.18 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: rxvt is lightweight. |
| 07:25.24 | synx | sunpascal: xterm? |
| 07:25.34 | waspius | thank you |
| 07:25.35 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: there's a minimal version of it even |
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| 07:26.09 | sunpascal | yeah, xterm sounds familiar |
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| 07:26.47 | waspius | and can i send it to run in the backround with & or should it be running properly? |
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| 07:28.08 | teledyn_ | waspius: yes |
| 07:28.31 | arrenlex | What do real, user and sys mean in "time" output? |
| 07:28.35 | waspius | teledyn_: ok and once i send it to the back..how can i check what is running..how much time is left etc? |
| 07:28.48 | synx | waspius: time left until what? |
| 07:29.06 | waspius | synx: for the program to run or close |
| 07:29.38 | teledyn_ | waspius: ps will show the process running |
| 07:30.00 | synx | waspius: The program doesn't have a time limit. It closes whenever it wants to, usually after you tell it to. |
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| 07:30.40 | waspius | synx: but if i say i want it to close in 10 minutes...or run in 10 minutes how can i check how much time is left? |
| 07:31.45 | synx | waspius: You might be best off writing a script to do that. You'll probably want a parallel "watcher" process that waits 10 minutes, runs the xterm, then sleeps 10 minutes, then kills the xterm. |
| 07:32.06 | waspius | ok..thank you |
| 07:32.51 | arrenlex | What do real, user and sys mean in "time" output? |
| 07:32.54 | sunpascal | what was that ligh-weight file browser called? |
| 07:33.03 | sunpascal | crusader or something |
| 07:33.07 | sunpascal | right? |
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| 07:37.18 | sunpascal | whats a good file browser to work with fluxbox? |
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| 07:37.49 | sunpascal | rox? |
| 07:38.07 | schme` | mc is nice. |
| 07:39.01 | sunpascal | hm |
| 07:39.15 | sunpascal | the gui sucks though |
| 07:39.43 | sunpascal | does rox use a lot of ram? |
| 07:39.44 | liable | gui for mc? |
| 07:40.10 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: dillo is a nice one |
| 07:40.33 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: a fast file browser is endeavour |
| 07:40.43 | teledyn_ | endeavour2 |
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| 07:41.33 | sunpascal | liable, i meant the graphic don't look so pleasing |
| 07:41.58 | synx | teledyn_: dillo has been a dead project for years though. |
| 07:42.01 | liable | sunpascal: heh, i quite like it :P |
| 07:42.26 | Guerin | dillo is nice if you don't need your browser to do anything |
| 07:42.33 | teledyn_ | there's also links -gui |
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| 07:45.55 | sunpascal | liable, sorry didnt mean to offend it |
| 07:46.10 | sunpascal | im just one of the people who cant live without a gui |
| 07:46.32 | sunpascal | at least not 100% without it |
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| 07:49.24 | liable | sunpascal: no offence taken :) |
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| 07:50.10 | sunpascal | how do i create a "shortcut" ? |
| 07:50.20 | sunpascal | i think its called symlink in linuxish |
| 07:50.37 | sunpascal | from the command line |
| 07:50.37 | EdLin | sunpascal: ln -s |
| 07:50.38 | liable | it is, man ln |
| 07:50.40 | teledyn_ | ln -s |
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| 07:51.01 | knight | !vmware |
| 07:51.01 | dpkg | hmm... vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
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| 07:52.29 | liable | knight: if you want to get stuff from dpkg, you can /msg dpkg vmware .. saves the rest of us from reading factoids we dont need :) |
| 07:52.45 | bony | who do i install a 32 bit firefox on a 64 system? i installed lib32 package which i believe will enable me to install the 32 bit softwares on to the system but i don't know how to create user space were in i can run these softwares |
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| 07:53.07 | sunpascal | thanks, liable |
| 07:53.25 | liable | yw |
| 07:53.31 | BUMBACL0T | hey. how can i redirect something with apache, you know the default is: /var/www right, but instead of that, i want it to redirect to a different dir |
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| 07:54.11 | liable | BUMBACL0T: you can set the dir in httpd.conf (for apache 1) |
| 07:54.27 | BUMBACL0T | im using apache2 but it should be the same |
| 07:54.28 | BUMBACL0T | let me check |
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| 07:55.13 | helloyo | i recently began copying all my files, then cancelled the copy, so i now have my files split in two locations, can i rejoin them? ie i don't want to replace a folder with half of its items with the same folder with the other half, i want to add the items |
| 07:55.33 | peterS | helloyo: uh, copying doesn't erase the originals |
| 07:55.37 | teledyn_ | helloyo: copy does not alter the originals |
| 07:55.51 | helloyo | oh, sorry, i mean move... |
| 07:56.09 | teledyn_ | and doesn't mv only erase them after the operation is completed? that's what I thought |
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| 07:56.28 | brophat | maybe i will try debian |
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| 07:56.40 | teledyn_ | you can rsync the original onto the copy |
| 07:56.42 | helloyo | i used konqueror |
| 07:56.54 | brophat | you guys like debian? |
| 07:56.59 | h3xis | no |
| 07:57.03 | h3xis | we absolutely hate it |
| 07:57.06 | teledyn_ | rsync -av /path/to/orig /path/to/copy |
| 07:57.08 | h3xis | gad, it's so worthless |
| 07:57.11 | helloyo | brophat: yes, i've tried everything and this is great if you half know what you're doing |
| 07:57.25 | teledyn_ | then you can compare with du -sk |
| 07:57.38 | helloyo | teledyn_: thanks, will this work if i have half my files somewhere, and the other half somewhere else? ie, i don't have the original anymore |
| 07:57.49 | teledyn_ | helloyo: yes |
| 07:57.59 | brophat | helloyo i have used freebsd and slackware |
| 07:58.01 | helloyo | teledyn_: great, that saves me a huge amount of work, thankyou! |
| 07:58.14 | knight | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.15 | knight | <knight> now i have 3 oses |
| 07:58.18 | helloyo | brophat: well then you're more then qualified, if you know what you want, debian will let you get it |
| 07:59.04 | brophat | i thought about going back to freebsd, but the old software issue always comes back to haunt |
| 07:59.09 | knight | i had no other choice |
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| 07:59.43 | helloyo | brophat: install the etch base, setup apt, and then get whatever you want |
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| 08:00.10 | brophat | ahh so you can customize it right from the start |
| 08:00.46 | helloyo | brophat: yep, i have not compromised at all with my install, its fantastic |
| 08:01.08 | brophat | sounds good, that would be what I would want to do |
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| 08:01.42 | brophat | which linux kernel is debian up to? |
| 08:02.02 | EdLin | brophat: Sarge is 2.4.x and 2.6.8, Etch and Sid are 2.6.18 |
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| 08:02.37 | rahul | brophat: which ever one you install |
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| 08:03.15 | EdLin | yeah, once you get past the install disk there's always kernel.org |
| 08:03.48 | brophat | EdLin i thought distros designed for a specific kernel |
| 08:03.51 | knight | can i boot other oses in my system while in debian? |
| 08:04.04 | EdLin | brophat: well, you'll need certain support packages. |
| 08:04.04 | rahul | brophat: how so? |
| 08:04.11 | helloyo | Knight_Lord: yes, but you'll need a virtual machine |
| 08:04.15 | helloyo | vmware for example |
| 08:04.27 | EdLin | rahul: stuff like the new mkinitrfs/yaird |
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| 08:04.40 | rahul | EdLin: oh, that's not distro, that's just version |
| 08:05.09 | EdLin | rahul: well, it's always easier to install stuff from the distro. |
| 08:05.11 | brophat | rahul hmm dunno |
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| 08:05.21 | knight | helloyo: but can vmware boot from my harddisk? |
| 08:05.31 | EdLin | brophat: 2.6.18 is pretty darned new. |
| 08:05.32 | rahul | EdLin: yeah, so just choose the right version of the distro :) |
| 08:05.47 | EdLin | !2.6.18 sarge |
| 08:05.54 | helloyo | knight: what is it that you want to do? |
| 08:05.58 | EdLin | darned, keep forgetting that factoid. |
| 08:06.02 | knight | helloyo yes |
| 08:06.03 | rahul | !linux-image-2.6.18 sarge |
| 08:06.11 | rahul | erm.... |
| 08:06.14 | rahul | !info linux-image-2.6.18 sarge |
| 08:06.30 | EdLin | rahul: I'm looking for the iso from .jp with the latest kernel, not that. |
| 08:06.33 | brophat | slackware is still using 2.4 |
| 08:06.34 | rahul | oh |
| 08:06.42 | rahul | brophat: slackware is also using 2.6 |
| 08:06.48 | knight | helloyo i want to boot other os in my harddisk while i use debian |
| 08:06.52 | EdLin | brophat: Slackware can be installed with more recent kernels from /extra and /testing |
| 08:06.53 | brophat | yeah in the extras they say |
| 08:07.01 | rahul | brophat: so use the one you want |
| 08:07.09 | helloyo | knight:so you want to keep debian running? |
| 08:07.16 | knight | helloyo yes |
| 08:07.24 | brophat | rahul if it was as easy as you say then why doesn't debian just use the latest? |
| 08:07.29 | knight | helloyo is it possible? |
| 08:07.35 | EdLin | brophat: Sarge allows you to install 2.6 simply by putting "linux26" or "expert26" at the prompt. |
| 08:07.44 | helloyo | knight: yes, you install a program like vmware, which will let you run another OS as a program |
| 08:07.48 | rahul | brophat: because the latest doesn't always work |
| 08:08.07 | knight | helloyo ok thank you |
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| 08:08.13 | brophat | rahul ok no further questions, I had the case over to the defense. |
| 08:08.15 | helloyo | no problem |
| 08:08.47 | EdLin | brophat: Debian aims towards stability, which means them version numbers are sometimes smaller. |
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| 08:08.56 | brophat | so, is it worth it for me to convert over from slackware to debian? |
| 08:09.05 | rahul | brophat: you tell me |
| 08:09.17 | brophat | rahul dunno |
| 08:09.19 | brophat | i think so |
| 08:09.23 | EdLin | brophat: ask here, and ask on ##slackware, then flip a coin. |
| 08:09.23 | jaalto | Is it possible to do the steps of "manke menuconfig" + EXIT automaticaly from a shell script, so that plain vanilla .config is generated? |
| 08:09.38 | schme | brophat: Is your slackware broken? |
| 08:09.43 | knight | where can i get vmware for debian? |
| 08:10.00 | helloyo | teledyn_: i've been doing some test runs with rsync -av, i have two folders test and test1/test, containt files 1,2 and 3 and 4,5 and 6 respetively, but when i run rsync it adds test to test1/test |
| 08:10.02 | EdLin | !tell knight -about repeat |
| 08:10.03 | brophat | schme no but I will be making a new puter soon |
| 08:10.08 | jaalto | knight, see xperimental repository for vmware player |
| 08:10.23 | brophat | doesn't debian have a lot more ppl working on it? |
| 08:10.29 | teledyn_ | helloyo: read the man page. check the trailing slashes |
| 08:10.29 | brophat | than slackware |
| 08:10.30 | schme | brophat: Oh. Try it for the learning experience. :) |
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| 08:10.48 | helloyo | teledyn_: ok, i'll try |
| 08:10.54 | EdLin | brophat: Debian is developed by a team of volunteers, Slackware has basically one person. |
| 08:11.08 | EdLin | brophat: as such, the models have disadvantages and advantages. |
| 08:11.12 | brophat | yeah that is what i thought |
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| 08:12.45 | liable | brophat: all we can suggest is that you try it and see.. |
| 08:12.49 | brophat | so if a software is not in the debian packages, is it difficult to make a debian package out of it? |
| 08:13.10 | EdLin | brophat: well, to make a crude package, you can use checkinstall - same as Slackware. |
| 08:13.12 | liable | nope, you can just compile it you have to, or you can make a deb |
| 08:14.00 | jaalto | brophat, It depends -- if you have previous package experience: not hard, if haven't if *will* take lot to learn |
| 08:14.13 | brophat | ok |
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| 08:14.26 | helloyo | teledyn_: worked like a charm! thanks heaps! |
| 08:14.38 | knight | !msg |
| 08:14.42 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 08:14.44 | brophat | I assume more software is in debian packages than software in slackware packages? |
| 08:14.45 | Grub_Now | !hr |
| 08:14.46 | dpkg | i guess hr is Croatia |
| 08:15.12 | teledyn_ | helloyo: rsync cleans up yet another konqueror mess!! |
| 08:15.29 | schme | brophat: Yes, Debian has more packages. |
| 08:15.42 | Guerin | than any other OS |
| 08:15.44 | brophat | schme ok then debian it is |
| 08:16.02 | helloyo | teledyn_: hehe, yes, but konqueror is like a tuned v8, big powerful, but doesn't always do things the cleverest way... but its still powerful! |
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| 08:16.03 | jaalto | Brophap, Debian has ca. 15 000 packages or so |
| 08:16.13 | teledyn_ | helloyo: true |
| 08:16.18 | pingouin | why i have this in my syslog/kern.log , several time by day ? : localhost modprobe: FATAL: Error running install command for sound_slot_1 |
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| 08:16.52 | schme | brophat: If your problem with FreeBSD was old software, then you really want to run the unstable branch of debian though. |
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| 08:17.45 | brophat | schme I meant to say the age old problem that nothing is written for freebsd. |
| 08:18.30 | brophat | so if you run into software that you want that has not been ported to freebsd, i think you have a much bigger problem then building a debian package, no? |
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| 08:20.35 | jaalto | brophat, Can't comment on BSD. If you post a RFP (request for package) to Debian mailing lists, someone knowledgeable may want to pick it up and package appear in best: weeks |
| 08:21.01 | brophat | sounds kool |
| 08:21.27 | Guerin | brophat: don't use unstable |
| 08:21.34 | Guerin | no matter what eejits like schme tell you |
| 08:21.45 | Guerin | it breaks, and makes you cry |
| 08:22.09 | jaalto | brophat, that's why Debian is so rewarding -- You see the changes happening. You don't need to sit still and waiting for "release" (SUSE, Fedora, Slack) |
| 08:22.19 | Guerin | stick to etch for now, and a couple months after etch becomes stable, switch to the new testing (lenny) |
| 08:22.24 | brophat | ahh nice |
| 08:22.32 | Guerin | shit goes haywire in testing and unstable after a release |
| 08:22.56 | jaalto | Guerin, that remark is unfounded. Unstable is not "unstable" at all. The experimental is the "unstable one. |
| 08:23.11 | Guerin | jaalto: you are deluded. Experimental isn't even a distro. |
| 08:23.25 | EdLin | !releases |
| 08:23.25 | dpkg | well, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 08:23.28 | jaalto | guerin, that's what i said |
| 08:23.35 | Guerin | jaalto: it's a select group of a few dozen packages which are so utterly broken even the maintainers don't want to run them. |
| 08:23.41 | craigevil | unstable isnt really that bad |
| 08:23.46 | Guerin | yes, it is |
| 08:23.58 | Guerin | it's playing nice now because the release is imminent |
| 08:24.04 | EdLin | it's only stable when everything's frozen |
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| 08:24.09 | EdLin | like now |
| 08:24.09 | Guerin | as soon as the release goes ahead, all hell will break loose |
| 08:24.25 | xingu | Guerin: bet it turns into a total clusterfsk for the four weeks following etch's release |
| 08:24.35 | Guerin | xingu: set your watch by it. |
| 08:24.43 | craigevil | well that it does, right after sarge released I had like 400 packages that i didnt update because of "grave" bugs |
| 08:24.48 | jaalto | guerin, many people's experience contradict with your remark. That of course does not mean that you haven't have troubles with unstable. Just that we other havnet' have any bigger problems with it that weren't easy enough to solve |
| 08:24.58 | brophat | i like stable. stable is a good word |
| 08:25.23 | EdLin | jaalto: bets are you haven't run unstable after a release then. |
| 08:25.42 | craigevil | unstable can and does break, but it is still more "stable" than most other distros stable version |
| 08:26.03 | jaalto | Edlin, I run unstable constantly -- and upgrade constantly -- so there is not 400 package updates never |
| 08:26.05 | xingu | yeah, but unstable straight after a release is made is a warzone |
| 08:26.07 | Guerin | jaalto: bollocks. From years of servitude in this channel, I have found that people like to *think* sid is nice and fluffy, conveniently forgetting the hell it puts them through once in a while. Invariably the preople who *really* have no problems with it are those who are already skilled enough to fix it wehen it breaks. |
| 08:26.15 | EdLin | true for now, not too true when PAM breaks and you can't even log in. :-) |
| 08:26.23 | Guerin | right |
| 08:26.32 | Guerin | or when grep breaks and you can't even get past init |
| 08:26.42 | xingu | Guerin: like say maybe a pending gnome major release... |
| 08:26.46 | Guerin | or when libc breaks and only statically-built stuff runs |
| 08:26.48 | craigevil | the last big snafu was udev being screwed up so you couldnt login |
| 08:26.56 | jaalto | craigevil, sight: nothing serious that won't get fixed in few weeks top -- or immediately if you contact the package maintainer and are ready to spend some time helping |
| 08:27.09 | Guerin | craigevil: well, not really, since you can live without udev. But not without libc. Or login. |
| 08:27.23 | EdLin | jaalto: "a few weeks" is a bit much for production systems, or for even desktop users. |
| 08:27.46 | craigevil | apt-listbugs is a life saver when running Sid |
| 08:27.46 | EdLin | jaalto: though I admit it takes less usually. |
| 08:27.58 | jaalto | Guerin, I did not say is did not have problems. I saif that is is not "that unstable a all" -- if you have the knowledge |
| 08:28.20 | Guerin | jaalto: right, well, you could argue that an aircraft isn't that hard to fly if you're a pilot |
| 08:28.45 | EdLin | jaalto: knowledge only gets you so far when something like the examples we gave are broken in Sid, and broken they get. |
| 08:28.54 | Guerin | the point is that it's not ok to recommend sid to people who aren't already experienced enough to handle it |
| 08:29.03 | jaalto | Edlin, I assumed we talked about system for regular Joe. If that has changed then please define the system before we talk about suitability. I was talking from local networ's point of view (home user) |
| 08:29.26 | Guerin | jaalto: regular joe likes to log in and will reinstall if he can't. That makes sid a non-starter. |
| 08:29.29 | EdLin | jaalto: well, if we're talking about the regular joe, then *forget sid*. |
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| 08:30.07 | EdLin | jaalto: the regular joe, when he sees sid break when its unfrozen, will run right back to Windows or some other distro. |
| 08:30.25 | Guerin | or worse, will come in here whining about how some eejit told him to use sid |
| 08:30.26 | Mockers | can someone help me getting apache thru the debian firewall or w/e they call it in linux? |
| 08:30.37 | jaalto | Edlin, I agree -- For regular Joe I recommend testing with added volatile |
| 08:30.47 | Guerin | said eejit will have probably been banned for trolling by then |
| 08:30.49 | EdLin | Mockers: Debian has no iptables rules enabled by default |
| 08:30.57 | Guerin | yeah, volatile is pretty cool |
| 08:31.01 | Mockers | o |
| 08:31.04 | jaalto | Edlin, but if the regular joe is slackware user -- I'm sure he can work out the unstable with some experience |
| 08:31.29 | EdLin | jaalto: if he's a slackware user he might like stability too. |
| 08:31.35 | Guerin | jaalto: not really. The skills don't port well. Especially for slackware users, which are used to a dearth of infrastructure. |
| 08:31.56 | Mockers | iptables -A INPUT -d 192.168.0.113 -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT - that look about right? |
| 08:32.18 | schme | Guerin: I agree totally. Unstable is usually not worth running. Stable ftw. |
| 08:32.36 | liable | !ping |
| 08:32.37 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:32.40 | brophat | I would run IA-64 on the AMD 64 chips? |
| 08:32.50 | Guerin | Mockers: unnecessary if you have no other firewall rules, but that looks like it should allow anything in on 80. |
| 08:32.53 | EdLin | Mockers: if your problem is that stuff can't reach port 80 on Debian, your problem probably isn't, by default, that Debian's firewall isn't letting it in - your ISP is porobably blocking it or something. |
| 08:32.58 | Guerin | brophat: no, amd64 |
| 08:33.05 | Guerin | brophat: or better yet, i386 |
| 08:33.09 | jaalto | Guerin, Again -- it depends. Many slackware users are more knowledgeable that Debian users. It depends what they have done. I wouldn't do all that "manual things" required by slack -- that's why I like Debian. I do recognize that there is talent among slask users |
| 08:33.17 | brophat | hmm ok |
| 08:33.39 | Mockers | Guerin: doesnt work :/ everything inside my local network can conect, but if its outside it doesnt work - ive forwarded port 80 on my router and got my ISP to unblock port 80 |
| 08:33.40 | Guerin | jaalto: heh, knowledgeable as programmers/sysadmins, perhaps. But debian's skill-set is quite specific. |
| 08:34.00 | Guerin | Mockers: try adding a -i or something |
| 08:34.09 | lunitik | Guerin: being package management? or? |
| 08:34.15 | Guerin | lunitik: yeah, mostly. |
| 08:34.24 | brophat | who told me to get etch. etch is not even stable yet. shouldn't i get sarge? |
| 08:34.27 | Guerin | lunitik: and stuff like debconf, alternatives, etc. |
| 08:34.31 | lunitik | Guerin: there really isn't much else a distro should do..... |
| 08:34.35 | Mockers | Guerin: Unknown arg `-i' |
| 08:35.00 | craigevil | brophat: no get Etch it will be considered "stable" soon |
| 08:35.04 | lunitik | Guerin: install packages.... give me decent defaults... and stay out of my way while I break them :P |
| 08:35.08 | brophat | ok |
| 08:35.09 | Guerin | Mockers: mm, ok, io mean specify what interface it should come in on - if traffic from that interface isn't already working |
| 08:35.18 | Guerin | lunitik: right. |
| 08:35.28 | Guerin | EdLin: gpl pf! |
| 08:35.30 | jaalto | Guerin, it's the other way round too. A Debian user would be lost in slackware's rc.*. I bet Slack person can find his way faster in Debian than average Debian user in Slackware |
| 08:35.38 | Mockers | Guerin: what ya mean? |
| 08:35.47 | Guerin | jaalto: absolutely right; I had to use slack for a while and *hated* it |
| 08:35.50 | Mockers | Guerin: im new to this whole linux thing btw |
| 08:36.12 | Guerin | jaalto: i'm not sure about the race condition there. And who is this `average' person you're talking about? |
| 08:36.28 | synx | brophat: Heck, sid is stable enough for me. 8) |
| 08:36.29 | Guerin | jaalto: i sense you're a slackware refugee looking to assert some 1337n355 |
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| 08:36.39 | jaalto | Guerin, I did that too and I build recognization towareds slack people from "that experience". How easy all are in Debian, and hard in Slack :-) |
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| 08:37.03 | Guerin | jaalto: right. That's why I use debian - I'm lazy. |
| 08:37.16 | liable | stupid wifi |
| 08:37.16 | EdLin | synx: that's because it's behaving itself being semi-frozen the last half year or so. |
| 08:37.17 | liable | cant wait to get home |
| 08:37.18 | jaalto | guerin, Never used slack other that CD-in and install -- try and -- log out |
| 08:37.27 | Guerin | though as soon as I get this damn mobo i'm resurrecting that obsd gateway |
| 08:37.40 | Guerin | liable: are you far from teh cyclones? |
| 08:37.54 | lunitik | jaalto: take a hint dude, no one cares about Slack in #debian |
| 08:37.55 | hark | to good ol dialup? |
| 08:38.02 | Mockers | Guerin: What do you mean by specify what interface it should come in on? |
| 08:38.21 | synx | On that note, I wrote a lovely program that will summon helpful creatures to tell if my network is up or not. Behold: http://synx.us.to/code/netup/netup.c |
| 08:38.35 | jaalto | lunitik, ? |
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| 08:38.43 | Guerin | Mockers: iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 137 -i eth1 -j DROP |
| 08:38.49 | lunitik | jaalto: STOP talking about Slackware here |
| 08:38.49 | Mockers | i c |
| 08:38.58 | liable | goddam wireless |
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| 08:39.02 | Guerin | Mockers: drops all udp packets coming into eth1 on port 137, for instance |
| 08:39.04 | jaalto | lunitik, And who was not talking? |
| 08:39.09 | synx | Of course... GtkStatusIcon is only available in the latest stable, unbroken, binary compatible GTK release, 2.10. That hasn't even reached Experimental though, last I heard. |
| 08:39.25 | Guerin | Mockers: but if you leave the -i foo out, it shoudl work for all interfaces, so it might be a red herring |
| 08:39.27 | Mockers | Guerin: so if my cable is in eth0, what would i do for that? |
| 08:39.29 | Guerin | mmm, herring |
| 08:39.40 | Guerin | Mockers: add -i eth0 to your line above |
| 08:39.46 | Guerin | before the -j |
| 08:39.51 | jaalto | lunitic, there was also BSD mentioned, do you think that needs a word too? |
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| 08:40.05 | EdLin | !troll jaalto |
| 08:40.08 | lunitik | jaalto: FreeBSD kernel is in Debian's archive, so it's on topic |
| 08:40.10 | synx | So I don't recommend Unstable for people who aren't uh... unstable, but it's not exactly the untrampled wilderness. It takes a long time to get through even Experimental into Unstable, heaven forbid into Testing. |
| 08:40.12 | Mockers | Guerin: iptables v1.2.11: Unknown arg `-i' |
| 08:40.17 | Guerin | lunitik: you came in partway thourgh, ease up |
| 08:40.25 | Guerin | huh |
| 08:40.37 | jaalto | huh - indeed. Okay, back to business |
| 08:40.41 | liable | synx: and yet testing can still be horribly broken at times |
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| 08:41.00 | EdLin | synx: experimental has only a few packages, it isn't a staging ground for unstable. |
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| 08:41.05 | Guerin | Mockers: i have 1.3.5 - sorry, no idea about oldies |
| 08:41.20 | synx | liable: The speed at which it is repaired is about as slow as the speed it's broken. |
| 08:41.20 | Mockers | Guerin: Whats the package name? |
| 08:41.21 | cahoot | lunitik: if one is really anal this channel is about GNU/linux |
| 08:41.26 | synx | EdLin: Really? I didn't know that. |
| 08:41.30 | Mockers | Guerin: and source (if you know it) |
| 08:41.36 | Guerin | Mockers: contrary to my own advice, I am running sid |
| 08:41.37 | synx | I want BSD to support dm-crypt, and Linux to support pf. ;.; |
| 08:41.39 | jaalto | I have a problem with Kernel configuration. I would need to generate .config automatically from script. Is this even possible? I mean, I'd like to have plain vanilla .config like if user ran "make menuconfig" followed by "EXIT" |
| 08:41.44 | lunitik | cahoot: news to me? says 'general debian discussion channel' |
| 08:41.49 | synx | And Microsoft to support both. -.- |
| 08:41.52 | Guerin | Mockers: read the documentation for your version |
| 08:41.59 | EdLin | synx: well, "few" at this point includes a more recent GNOME |
| 08:42.03 | Mockers | Guerin: kk thanks |
| 08:42.17 | xingu | jaalto: make defconfig |
| 08:42.23 | Guerin | jaalto: make oldconfig? |
| 08:42.28 | Mockers | Guerin: o the i has to be caps lol |
| 08:42.29 | Guerin | oh, defconfig |
| 08:42.29 | Guerin | right |
| 08:42.45 | Guerin | Mockers: ah, cool |
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| 08:43.01 | jaalto | xingu, excellent -- I just couldn't find that "defconfig" -- all references said "xconfig, menuconfig, oldconfig". Thanks |
| 08:43.18 | Mockers | Guerin: Can't use -I with -A |
| 08:43.22 | brophat | if you are using an amd64 processor then you have to use the amd64 version of debian, no? |
| 08:43.29 | Guerin | Mockers: fun stuff. |
| 08:43.35 | Guerin | brophat: no. Use i386. |
| 08:43.51 | Mockers | Guerin: Is it possible to update to ur version? |
| 08:43.56 | brophat | Guerin it will recognize amd64? |
| 08:43.58 | Guerin | brophat: there are complications involved with the amd64 port which you probably don't want to deal with. |
| 08:44.07 | synx | I've been looking for a cross platform system tray icon for years, so I'm quite eager to get GTK 2.10 as an official package, instead of just manually installed in my 3rd party ghetto. |
| 08:44.12 | Guerin | Mockers: anything's possible, but don't. It's probably not necessary anyhow. |
| 08:44.40 | Mockers | Guerin: kk. So what do i do now lol |
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| 08:44.53 | EdLin | !lol |
| 08:44.53 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 08:44.57 | Steven_M | is there a terminal timeconfig program apart from date? |
| 08:45.02 | AndyMcGee | Good morning |
| 08:45.06 | Guerin | Mockers: dunno. I blame the router. |
| 08:45.25 | synx | dpkg: lol |
| 08:45.26 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 08:45.32 | brophat | Guerin i assume i386 does not fully support amd64, does it? |
| 08:45.33 | Mockers | i had the router working with my windows machin on port 80 tho...AHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 08:46.19 | synx | I laugh out loud just to annoy dpkg. It only hits me because it loves me. |
| 08:46.27 | Mockers | anyone else want to try to complete the feat of a life time and help me? |
| 08:46.38 | EdLin | !anyone? |
| 08:46.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 08:47.01 | lunitik | brophat: umm... amd64 handles 32bit just fine... you just get all the hardware advantages without the current complications (ie, no multiarch, so no plugins amoungst other things) |
| 08:47.15 | craigevil | brophat: its more that it is a pain to get things like multimedia , java, flash, browser plugins working |
| 08:47.24 | Mockers | Can anyone help me get apache thru debian, my router, my modem, and finally thru my ISP? |
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| 08:48.02 | cahoot | Mockers: you *have* checked apache is really started? |
| 08:48.26 | Mockers | cahoot: /etc/init.d/apache restart returns Apache is restarting (along those lines) |
| 08:48.41 | Mockers | and i can conect to it from inside myh network |
| 08:48.44 | Mockers | but not outside of it |
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| 08:49.07 | synx | Mockers: The only thing that could be wrong is your router in this case. Is your router running Debian, by some ghost of a chance? |
| 08:49.13 | brophat | etch is the testing distribution on the download page? |
| 08:49.16 | Mockers | err no |
| 08:49.21 | Mockers | i have a DI 524 |
| 08:49.29 | vn- | router or isp blocking 80 in outbound |
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| 08:49.40 | EdLin | !d-i brophat |
| 08:49.40 | Mockers | ISP isnt, i checked |
| 08:49.40 | synx | Figures. *sighs* I want my $60 Linux router already! |
| 08:49.40 | dpkg | brophat, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:49.50 | Mockers | and my router works for my windows web server |
| 08:49.56 | EdLin | er, sorry for the bot's smart-mouthin |
| 08:50.22 | EdLin | !tell vint-cerft about away |
| 08:50.44 | synx | Mockers: Your DL 524 router has a webpage for configuration, I assume? Make sure the ports are forwarded to the right place, specifically port 80. Can't help you much beyond that. |
| 08:50.55 | liable | vint-cerft: before an op bans you, turn your auto-away off |
| 08:51.12 | EdLin | brophat: the second URL (with devel) is the etch installer |
| 08:51.24 | Mockers | Ive done that, i had my configuration working for my windows server, thats why i suspect its debian because i cant connect to my ssh server from outside my network either |
| 08:51.44 | vn- | Mockers: just be sure that 80 is specifically allowed on your network to your IP address form the WAN in Advanced---Firewall iirc |
| 08:51.52 | brophat | EdLin ok thanks. And what did you do to me with that command, shut me up? hahahha |
| 08:51.54 | xingu | Mockers: does your machine have a default gateway set? |
| 08:52.06 | synx | Mockers: It's more likely Microsoft, but putting that aside does your "windows" server have the same IP as your Debian server? |
| 08:52.10 | Mockers | Virtual Server HTTP192.168.0.113Both 80/80always |
| 08:52.13 | EdLin | brophat: heh |
| 08:52.24 | Mockers | no, but i *did* change the ip to my debian server |
| 08:52.37 | vn- | bah |
| 08:52.42 | synx | So your debian server has the IP 192.168.0.113? |
| 08:52.45 | vn- | put your debian server in DMZ, just to see |
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| 08:52.52 | Mockers | tried it |
| 08:52.52 | Mockers | lol |
| 08:52.55 | Mockers | i mean |
| 08:52.56 | Mockers | heh |
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| 08:53.07 | EdLin | !tell Mockers -about enter |
| 08:53.35 | EdLin | the floggings will continue until moralle improves! |
| 08:54.12 | synx | Mockers: You might have a route mixup somehow I guess. Did you try making sure you have a default gateway using /sbin/route? |
| 08:54.34 | Mockers | Umm..no i didnt, how do i check this? |
| 08:54.54 | xingu | netstat -rnv |
| 08:55.01 | synx | /sbin/ifconfig should also show your network card as 'eth0' and it should have an IP address (aka 'inet addr') |
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| 08:55.23 | synx | Mockers: I gave you two programs to run, that will show you useful info. |
| 08:55.30 | vn- | talking about that...how do I know the config my debian will have at the next reboot for the routes? |
| 08:55.42 | Mockers | Kernel IP routing table |
| 08:55.42 | Mockers | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 08:55.42 | Mockers | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:55.42 | Mockers | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 08:55.53 | synx | vn-: I haven't a clue. I think it's black magic. |
| 08:56.02 | xingu | vn-: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:56.05 | vn- | abracadabra then |
| 08:56.06 | brophat | is the amd64 gonna be ready some time soon you think? |
| 08:56.15 | vn- | xingu: uh? nothign about default route there |
| 08:56.26 | xingu | vn-: anything you do above and beyond ifupdown is up to you; if you have a complex architecture, I'd suggest learning to love quagga |
| 08:56.45 | vn- | qua-what? ok, google |
| 08:56.47 | xingu | vn-: are you configuring with dhcp method? |
| 08:56.57 | vn- | no, static |
| 08:57.15 | xingu | vn-: there should be a "gateway" keyword in interfaces then. |
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| 08:57.46 | vn- | im in canada and computer's in Tehran so...physically...I should avoir needing physical intervention heh |
| 08:57.47 | vn- | ok |
| 08:57.47 | Mockers | crap sorry pressed something and it exited then phone rang etc |
| 08:58.16 | Mockers | Kernel IP routing table |
| 08:58.17 | Mockers | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 08:58.17 | Mockers | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:58.17 | Mockers | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 08:58.21 | synx | Mockers: You need to use nopaste. Don't flood us. |
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| 08:58.42 | Mockers | lame |
| 08:59.08 | synx | Mockers: http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 08:59.16 | Mockers | ok] |
| 08:59.24 | xingu | Mockers: I assume that 192.168.0.1 is in fact your "router" |
| 08:59.29 | Mockers | yes |
| 08:59.51 | synx | Mockers: Put in what /sbin/ifconfig outputs too. |
| 09:00.11 | Mockers | thats what i put in there |
| 09:00.13 | xingu | Mockers: in that case start one root window, tcpdump -nvvi eth0 icmp or port 80 |
| 09:00.14 | vn- | default IP for d-link routers |
| 09:00.15 | Mockers | under my nick |
| 09:00.33 | xingu | Mockers: then in another window attempt to connect to your webserver again; finally ^C the tcpdump window and paste the output. |
| 09:00.43 | synx | Mockers: You can paste the URL for that into this chat window. |
| 09:00.56 | Mockers | http://rafb.net/p/flCChe43.html |
| 09:01.15 | Mockers | xingu: k ill try that |
| 09:01.25 | synx | Mockers: Great, that looks perfect. Now what about /sbin/ifconfig? |
| 09:01.47 | Mockers | that was ifconfig lol |
| 09:01.51 | vn- | uh...is there a reason why my fs would suddenly lock in read-only mode? |
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| 09:02.12 | synx | Mockers: Looks like /sbin/route to me. |
| 09:02.15 | synx | vn-: It's probably full. |
| 09:02.24 | xingu | vn-: read error, write error, or out of space for the journal |
| 09:02.25 | Mockers | kk ill do it again |
| 09:02.27 | synx | vn-: Could be hard disk failure. c.c |
| 09:02.34 | vn- | nope |
| 09:02.36 | vn- | not even |
| 09:02.36 | Mockers | nvm that was netstat |
| 09:03.05 | Mockers | http://rafb.net/p/KNfnDb91.html |
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| 09:03.21 | vn- | it did it while I was doing a purge of apt-get db I think |
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| 09:03.59 | pandey | hi |
| 09:04.17 | synx | crap that looks perfect too. |
| 09:04.31 | Mockers | kk |
| 09:04.33 | Mockers | umm |
| 09:04.36 | xingu | tcpdump time |
| 09:04.40 | xingu | what's on the wire |
| 09:04.57 | vn- | is there a way to check the fs health while its mounted? |
| 09:04.59 | Mockers | tcpdump was not found |
| 09:05.05 | xingu | apt-get install ... |
| 09:05.21 | Mockers | whtas the name of the package/ |
| 09:05.39 | Mockers | or do i have to add something to sources.list? |
| 09:05.43 | xingu | vn-: fsck -n is ~safe on most fstypes. |
| 09:05.52 | xingu | Mockers: "tcpdump" oddly enough |
| 09:06.09 | synx | Mockers: It'll be in /usr/sbin as well. |
| 09:06.12 | xingu | tcpdump ought to be in base ;) |
| 09:06.13 | Mockers | o i typed tcpdumb that was *dumb* (get it) of me |
| 09:06.23 | pipeline | vn-: e2fsck -n opens readonly. It will fail to find some problems. |
| 09:06.31 | vn- | kthx |
| 09:06.33 | pipeline | vn-: on XFS, you can remount the filesystem readonly and use xfs_check |
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| 09:06.49 | xingu | pipeline: "while it's mounted" |
| 09:06.50 | pipeline | vn-: On reiserfs, you're totally fucked anyway. Just go ahead and back it up now. |
| 09:06.53 | vn- | its ext3 actually |
| 09:06.56 | xingu | true, that. |
| 09:06.58 | Mockers | k what do i do after i start tcpdump? |
| 09:07.12 | pipeline | xingu: e2fsck will whine but work fine anyway. |
| 09:07.23 | pipeline | xingu: the -n option is kind of important :P |
| 09:07.43 | xingu | Mockers: "tcpdump -nvvi eth0 port 80 or icmp" |
| 09:07.43 | pipeline | vn-: ext3 is just a newer driver to handle ext2 filesystems. The format is identical :P |
| 09:07.47 | synx | elhoel |
| 09:08.09 | Mockers | k then try connect? |
| 09:08.14 | vn- | ok |
| 09:08.15 | xingu | yes |
| 09:08.31 | vn- | lots of orphan inodes |
| 09:08.34 | Mockers | nothing |
| 09:08.37 | xingu | Mockers: and we'll have the output from that and also from iptables --list -n -v |
| 09:08.53 | Mockers | it outputted nothing :/ |
| 09:09.08 | vn- | and bitmap differences in blocks |
| 09:09.25 | vn- | could I be out of inodes? |
| 09:09.29 | pipeline | vn-: I hope you have backups. |
| 09:09.42 | xingu | Mockers: ok, in that case your traffic isn't getting anywhere near your host; which means - either you have a browser setup issue, a iptabls/packet filtering issue, or your "router" doesn't like what you're asking it to do - ie - connect from inside to the public/address translated address. |
| 09:09.45 | vn- | it's accessible, I can read |
| 09:09.48 | vn- | just cant write |
| 09:10.03 | xingu | Mockers: paste iptables --list -n -v so we can eliminate that. |
| 09:10.36 | xingu | vn-: it sounds like you hit a bad sector, are you sure no IO errors have been logged in dmesg/kern.log? |
| 09:10.40 | Mockers | http://rafb.net/p/YFZnem94.html |
| 09:10.44 | synx | Mockers: The only open port I can see is port 113 for some reason. I can't reach your computer at all, which screams router malfunction. |
| 09:11.15 | Mockers | my counter-strike servers work tho.. strange |
| 09:11.16 | xingu | Mockers: it's not possible for that iptables ruleset to be the source of the problem; default pollicy is accept and there's no deny rules. |
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| 09:11.25 | vn- | EEP |
| 09:11.30 | vn- | in dmesg : EXT3-fs error (device hda2) in start_transaction: Readonly filesystem |
| 09:11.30 | Mockers | ok |
| 09:11.35 | xingu | Mockers: so there's something funny going on with your "router" per process of elimination |
| 09:11.43 | xingu | Mockers: or possibly with your browser config |
| 09:12.07 | xingu | Mockers: compare/ contrast proxy and dns settings in the working-with-windows-server case and the not-working-with-linux-server case. |
| 09:12.19 | xingu | vn-: tada. |
| 09:12.19 | synx | port 80 isn't being refused. It's being completely dropped. So something is killing the packets en route. |
| 09:12.25 | Mockers | heres my router setup: LAN --> DI 524 (Wireless Router) --> DSL 502T --> ISP |
| 09:12.35 | Mockers | my dsl 502T is in bridge mode tho |
| 09:12.52 | Mockers | I dont actually know what bridge mode does... |
| 09:12.54 | vn- | xingu: means what? |
| 09:13.07 | SkippyX | OK - here's a question. I've got a 300 MHz 96 Meg RAM Dell lappy that I want to use as a web appliance. all I want is a light window manager, an ftp client, a web browser (firefox), and a chat client (XChat - maybe gaim). |
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| 09:13.24 | xingu | vn-: means ext3 can't open the journal to add the next transaction; is there an error prior? are you out of space on that volume? |
| 09:13.30 | Mockers | xingu: with windows it just worked. i installed IIS and it worked. |
| 09:13.34 | synx | Mockers: DSL modems are transparent so that's not a concern really. Dunno about your router. |
| 09:13.41 | SkippyX | Using the netinstall disk, can I avoid installing gnome in favor of something along the lines of jwm, or enlightenment? |
| 09:13.44 | vn- | I'm far from being out of space |
| 09:13.48 | Mockers | kk ill DMZ it |
| 09:13.50 | synx | Anyway it's late. Good night and whatever. |
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| 09:13.57 | EdLin | SkippyX: yes |
| 09:14.00 | xingu | Mockers: it's entirely possible that "with windows it all worked" by just mapping your public address to a loopback connection back to the same system |
| 09:14.27 | xingu | Mockers: we don't yet have data to suggest that a full external<->internal connection is working; because your testpoint is evidently inside the border. |
| 09:14.38 | SkippyX | Outstanding. tyvm. I'll toss the netinstall disk in and have a go. |
| 09:14.42 | SkippyX | thanks again. |
| 09:14.59 | Mockers | xingu: i put a proxy on my browser and tried it. Didnt work |
| 09:15.51 | Mockers | xingu: i see what your saying. |
| 09:16.07 | xingu | Mockers: if both the ssh and http port forwards are busted, I'd /guess/ that the logical conclusion is yes you need to look at this "dmz" setting. |
| 09:16.20 | Mockers | i just tried it |
| 09:16.26 | Mockers | with tcpdumb, returned nothign |
| 09:17.34 | BUMBACL0T | anyone here using apache2? what's the default "DocumentRoot" ? |
| 09:17.41 | Mockers | var/www |
| 09:17.48 | Mockers | or srv/www |
| 09:18.03 | BUMBACL0T | /var/www ? |
| 09:18.08 | Mockers | ja |
| 09:18.12 | brophat | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/ is that where i get the full cd of etch ?? |
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| 09:18.29 | vn | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5678 <====here's the log in dmesg for ext3 |
| 09:18.35 | cahoot | BUMBACL0T: look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 09:18.50 | vn | but I booted like 3 weeks ago and it locked up like 30mins ago |
| 09:19.56 | xingu | vn: anything else about hda2 in kern.log ? |
| 09:20.01 | ed_4 | hello |
| 09:20.02 | espenel | hi |
| 09:20.24 | scv | xingu: does xingu mean sing? |
| 09:20.25 | EdLin | brophat: no, that's the full CDs. You probably want the netinstall CD - don't be scared by "daily" |
| 09:20.40 | vn | xingu: no, only thing in kern.log is : Mar 8 20:27:03 bo6sys kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 17 |
| 09:20.44 | brophat | EdLin actaully i want the cd |
| 09:21.04 | brophat | so is that the correct place for me to torrent the full cd of etch? |
| 09:21.21 | EdLin | brophat: OK, well, there those are. Keep in mind that since they are arranged by popularity, if it has a net connection you won't need more than the first two or three at the most. |
| 09:21.53 | Mockers | xingu: could there be any reason why my router wouldn't forward it to apache even when it says it is? |
| 09:21.59 | xingu | vn: hmm; insufficient data then - keep under observation; maybe stress that volume a little with a few parallel dbench's |
| 09:22.13 | brophat | hmm really? what is the other stuff, userland apps? |
| 09:22.40 | EdLin | brophat: it isn't like most distros(tm) where you need to have all the CDs to install. |
| 09:22.45 | xingu | Mockers: a plethora of them; this isn't the kind of debugging I want to do, the world is carpeted with useless consumer gateways, no two buggy stacks exactly alike |
| 09:23.01 | brophat | ok |
| 09:23.05 | vn | xingu: dbench command not found and I can't apt-get |
| 09:23.16 | EdLin | brophat: most people need the netinst CD, getting full CDs is mostly a waste of bandwidth. |
| 09:23.31 | brophat | ok |
| 09:24.02 | xingu | scv: there's wikipedia entries. :) |
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| 09:24.20 | benjaa | hi |
| 09:24.24 | brophat | i think the website is a bit confusing. |
| 09:24.36 | xingu | vn: it's still hosed? ok you need a trip down to single user mode on the physical console for some fsck love then matey. :) |
| 09:24.47 | EdLin | brophat: yes, it's bad. |
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| 09:24.57 | xingu | vn: var is not one of those volumes I'd be mad enough to suggest you try and fix inband |
| 09:25.12 | benjaa | guys anyone have l2tpd package on debian stable? |
| 09:25.37 | streuner_ | !tell benjaa about search |
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| 09:26.03 | vn | xingu: heh...but the machine is on the other side of the planet :\ |
| 09:26.13 | benjaa | streuner there is an oldstable which is not good and an unstable which can't be installed |
| 09:26.14 | xingu | yeah, I got that much. :) |
| 09:26.16 | benjaa | thats why i asked |
| 09:26.23 | brophat | what is the businesscard iso? |
| 09:26.24 | benjaa | and there isnt official l2tpd package in sarge |
| 09:26.42 | streuner_ | benjaa: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:27.16 | xingu | bleck, l2tp |
| 09:28.37 | vn | what is svscan? |
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| 09:30.16 | xingu | vn: part of daemontools by the looks |
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| 09:31.12 | otaku42 | moin |
| 09:31.25 | benjaa | xingu u probably dont know that l2tpns does not work as client |
| 09:31.33 | xingu | vn: supervise starts/restarts a service via a shellscript in cwd; svscan starts supervise one per subdirectory under a common root |
| 09:31.52 | otaku42 | question: i'm looking for a mod-security 2.1.0 package for etch. any hints? |
| 09:32.15 | otaku42 | the only package i could find is v1.9.4 |
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| 09:32.20 | xingu | benjaa: I feel your pain but I'd be re-engineering the transport to remove lt2p in your boots. |
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| 09:32.36 | vn | xingu: may this impact the readonly thing on the fs? |
| 09:33.01 | brophat | hey thanks ppls, I am starting to figure out the website, but it is late, time for sleep. |
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| 09:33.10 | xingu | vn: doubt it; it looks like an init/rc-scripts replacerer, similar to the sol10 svc concept |
| 09:33.35 | amee2k | how can i monitor which applications cause disk I/O? |
| 09:33.35 | xingu | vn: I bet it'd go apeshit if its state dir was suddenly remounted ro though |
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| 09:34.37 | xingu | amee2k: one way is echo 1 >/proc/sys/vm/block_dump - but this can flood you with data. |
| 09:36.07 | amee2k | the problem is some program keeps accessing the disk every now and then which prevents them from powering down. /var/log already is a tmpfs system, i'm wondering what's left |
| 09:36.36 | vn | a tmpfs is bad? |
| 09:36.39 | troubled | !mornin |
| 09:36.43 | xingu | amee2k: http://kerneltrap.org/node/653 |
| 09:36.47 | troubled | !morning |
| 09:36.47 | dpkg | from memory, morning is the early day after yesterday |
| 09:37.00 | troubled | !mornin is <reply> see morning |
| 09:37.01 | dpkg | okay, troubled |
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| 09:37.44 | vn | xingu: uh this command writes 1 in the file.. |
| 09:38.08 | xingu | amee2k: laptop-mode is probably what you want even though you don't know it yet; there's good documentation in the kernel source tree, ...linux/Documentation/laptop-mode.txt |
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| 09:38.44 | factor | I am having trouble loading firmware for my dvb card using the ivtv driver. |
| 09:38.49 | factor | is this a common problem? |
| 09:38.59 | factor | 0.4.10 version |
| 09:39.08 | factor | and the latest firmware. |
| 09:39.10 | amee2k | hm... |
| 09:39.13 | vn | wait xingu, I got that in my fstab...may that be something? : /dev/hda2 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 09:39.42 | xingu | amee2k: nb a rule of thumb for ~modern hardware is that you need to powerdown for >18minutes to break even from a power budget standpoint |
| 09:40.13 | xingu | vn: that's why you have the behaviour you have; error on the IO path, filesystem has been mounted ro |
| 09:40.19 | benjaa | anyone know other l2tp client for debian? |
| 09:40.22 | xingu | vn: it's not the cause though |
| 09:41.02 | amee2k | docs say it only works when on battery but it isn't even a laptop i have so no battery |
| 09:41.04 | vn | ok |
| 09:41.20 | vn | but how can it remount the root fs while it's in use!? |
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| 09:41.36 | xingu | amee2k: I run all my systems using it; it batches IO quite nicely which is good from a performance POV |
| 09:41.48 | vn | I was able to write 3 hours ago... |
| 09:42.10 | xingu | amee2k: can I query you? I can give you my sysctl boilerplate config in ~6 lines or so. |
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| 09:42.46 | xingu | vn: ... it's designed to and the mountflag is enabling that policy |
| 09:42.50 | SkippyX | ok - trying to install etch from the netinstall cd. Old dell lappy (latitude cpi D300XT - 300 MHz PII, 96 megs). tried the text install - hung up while detecting the CDROM. Doing the same thing in the gui install. |
| 09:42.55 | SkippyX | any suggestions? |
| 09:43.03 | xingu | vn: ie, "you asked for it"; and besides, it's the right thing to do anyway |
| 09:43.13 | xingu | vn: ... which is why it's the default debian policy |
| 09:43.24 | vn | so, can't I ask to remount it rw? |
| 09:43.43 | xingu | vn: after you fix it, which you will do via a quick trip to single user mode on the physical console |
| 09:43.51 | SkippyX | It's stuck on 'detect & mount CDROM' - cd drive is spinning - nothing else happening. |
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| 09:44.45 | amee2k | xingu: yeah sure |
| 09:44.57 | xingu | vn: nb, there is a design answer to your current conundrum; the hypervisor doesn't need much more than a bootfs which can be field-replaceable and mounted RO; if you run *all* your userlands as a virtual machine, and one of their fs roots goes apeshit, you can repair it inband from the hypervisor. |
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| 09:47.07 | yomm | Is it possible to have "apt-get" to autocomplete the packages name in root terminal ? It does so in user terminal ... |
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| 09:48.07 | dondelelcaro | yomm: have root load the bash completion |
| 09:48.15 | dondelelcaro | yomm: or alternatively, use sudo instead. |
| 09:48.34 | yomm | dondelelcaro : Thank you ! |
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| 09:59.33 | troubled | dondelelcaro: tough man to get attn |
| 09:59.48 | dondelelcaro | troubled: heh; I got the messages, I just don't have a good response |
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| 10:00.34 | troubled | dondelelcaro: you forked dpkg from it didnt you? |
| 10:00.51 | troubled | dpkg isnt affected by the same CMD: -> cmd: issue |
| 10:01.05 | dondelelcaro | troubled: dpkg is running out of a branch in the upstream svn |
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| 10:01.32 | troubled | dondelelcaro: the infobot svn? |
| 10:01.52 | dondelelcaro | no, the blootbot svn |
| 10:02.11 | troubled | ah ok, was gonna say, i thought bloot was the upstream. but i only use trunk |
| 10:02.45 | dondelelcaro | wee... good by hour of sleep |
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| 10:05.15 | drummer_wilson | hi all. i'm having a small problem. I've installed several op. systems on my hdd and for some reason i got 2 swap partitions the first one is logic and used by suse and the other one is a primary and used by debian. Should i make just one primary partition and make it usable for both ? |
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| 10:11.05 | troubled | drummer_wilson: sure, why not. but if im not mistaken, software suspend may actually use swap to store the state of the machine on next boot. |
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| 10:11.51 | blahdeblah | Hi. How can i get VMware to compile on etch? It complains that /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64/ does not contain a linux directory as expected. What am i missing? |
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| 10:12.10 | sunpascal | hey |
| 10:12.20 | sunpascal | how do i fix the keyboard in fluxbox? |
| 10:12.28 | sunpascal | the < and > keys dont work |
| 10:12.40 | sunpascal | using german keyboard layout |
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| 10:14.04 | teledyn_ | sunpascal: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 10:14.40 | blahdeblah | I found the solution: use /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64/include, not /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64/ |
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| 10:20.48 | EmleyMoor | If I try to use obexftp to access my mobile phone over USB, I am told superuser privs. are required. |
| 10:20.57 | EmleyMoor | How can I avoid having to be root to access it? |
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| 10:25.45 | yaboo | stupid question how do I mount a mount point as a non root user so they can write etc to the mount |
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| 10:26.17 | Guerin | yaboo: that's two separate issues |
| 10:26.35 | Guerin | yaboo: do you want to be able to MOUNT it as user or write to it as user? |
| 10:26.57 | yaboo | Guerin, wish to mount my ipod |
| 10:27.11 | yaboo | the user mount the ipod |
| 10:27.18 | Guerin | yaboo: ipods don't mount - use something like gtkpod |
| 10:27.33 | Guerin | i don't know how you do it, since i don't own one of the retarded things |
| 10:27.35 | yaboo | using amarok but borks up |
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| 10:32.48 | amee2k | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch03s03.html.en 3.3.2. step 2 - the combination is alt+control+o+f. i haven't seen such a system use delete (apple keyboards don't even have a key labeled delete). where can i report this issue? |
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| 10:35.15 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 10:35.38 | Nazcafan | I don't know who got this idea but change the iceweasel colour from green to blue was a pretty good one |
| 10:35.40 | SkippyX | ok - trying to install etch from the netinstall cd. Old dell lappy (latitude cpi D300XT - 300 MHz PII, 96 megs). tried the text install - hung up while detecting the CDROM. Doing the same thing in the gui install. |
| 10:35.54 | SkippyX | It's stuck on 'detect & mount CDROM' - cd drive is spinning - nothing else happening. |
| 10:35.59 | SkippyX | any suggestions? |
| 10:36.07 | Nazcafan | I always got confused betwwen iceweasel/icedove icons |
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| 10:40.22 | netman1 | Hi All. I fscked-ed my / filesystem and want to find the installed packages (my /var is complete). Which files can I check and how, for a 'dpkg --get-selections'? |
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| 10:45.36 | Phil2 | hi there, I get the following message when I try to do apt-get upgrade: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=444 |
| 10:45.40 | Phil2 | does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 10:48.30 | netman1 | Phil2: I would check my filesystems space first, and then run an apt-get -f install. |
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| 10:50.34 | xingu | netman1: /var/lib/dpkg/available is probably the place to start |
| 10:50.50 | Phil2 | netman1: fs space is fine, most used is 68% on / |
| 10:51.00 | xingu | netman1: err, s/available/status/ |
| 10:51.00 | ManuP | i installed initng and now i want to get acpi running. how do i do that? |
| 10:51.12 | Phil2 | apt-get -f install does the same thing |
| 10:51.31 | ManuP | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:51.54 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 10:52.41 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 10:52.47 | netman1 | Phil2: Try removeing the package (apt-get --purge remove ...) and reinstalling. |
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| 10:53.46 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
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| 10:55.50 | Phil2 | The following packages will be REMOVED |
| 10:55.51 | Phil2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.51 | Phil2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.55 | Phil2 | I'd prefer not, tbh |
| 10:55.56 | Phil2 | lol |
| 10:56.11 | netman1 | Can't blame you ;-) |
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| 10:57.05 | xingu | Phil2: do you actually /want/ openbsd-inetd? or is this a happy accident? |
| 10:57.18 | netman1 | Phil2: dpkg-reconfigure open...? |
| 10:57.24 | Phil2 | it's a happy accident I guess |
| 10:57.26 | Phil2 | lol |
| 10:57.48 | Phil2 | home:/home/phil# dpkg-reconfigure openbsd-inetd |
| 10:57.49 | Phil2 | home:/home/phil# |
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| 10:58.03 | Phil2 | bah |
| 10:58.03 | xingu | Phil2: rm /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd; then dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/netkid-inetd* |
| 10:58.04 | Phil2 | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: openbsd-inetd is broken or not fully installed |
| 10:58.09 | Phil2 | missed that from the middle |
| 10:58.25 | xingu | s/netkid/netkit/ |
| 10:58.33 | Phil2 | :S |
| 10:58.36 | Phil2 | what does that do? |
| 10:58.48 | xingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.49 | xingu | Phil2: there's some curious bug where openbsd-inetd is roped in to satisfy some weird dep; you can either debug the init script for it (the start action is failing) or whatever. |
| 11:00.00 | xingu | Phil2: what does /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd start say? |
| 11:01.06 | Phil2 | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=445 |
| 11:01.32 | xingu | Phil2: ... "/etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd start" ? |
| 11:01.47 | Phil2 | home:/home/phil# /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd start |
| 11:01.47 | Phil2 | Starting internet superserver: inetdhome:/home/phil# |
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| 11:02.36 | xingu | Phil2: ok so dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/openbsd-inetd*deb |
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| 11:03.15 | Phil2 | that does what, sorry |
| 11:03.36 | xingu | Phil2: reinstalls the package. |
| 11:03.47 | xingu | Phil2: ... and any conf files |
| 11:04.31 | Phil2 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openbsd-inetd*deb (--install): |
| 11:04.31 | Phil2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:05.00 | xingu | Phil2: I had this happen myself, debugged it, and then forgot all about it before raising a bts; in my case some package had a dep on netkit-inetd which openbsd-inetd failed to upgrade/replace properly leaving both hosed |
| 11:05.13 | xingu | Phil2: apt-get install --reinstall openbsd-inetd then |
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| 11:05.41 | Phil2 | same as the inital error |
| 11:05.46 | factor | anyone have a good link to mythtv deb package? |
| 11:05.51 | Phil2 | Setting up openbsd-inetd (0.20050402-5) ... |
| 11:05.51 | Phil2 | Starting internet superserver: inetdinvoke-rc.d: initscript openbsd-inetd, action "start" failed. |
| 11:06.31 | xingu | Phil2: in that case have a look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 11:06.46 | xingu | Phil2: find openbsd-inetd*deb; and dpkg -i --force-confmiss it. |
| 11:06.50 | Phil2 | home:/var/cache/apt/archives# ls |
| 11:06.50 | Phil2 | lock partial |
| 11:06.50 | Phil2 | home:/var/cache/apt/archives# |
| 11:07.50 | xingu | Phil2: that's quite strange... have you reconfigured apt to store its archive somewhere else? |
| 11:07.59 | Phil2 | no |
| 11:08.12 | Phil2 | I did do a clean though |
| 11:08.22 | xingu | Phil2: aah; apt-get -d openbsd-inetd |
| 11:08.38 | Phil2 | E: Invalid operation openbsd-inetd |
| 11:08.49 | xingu | err, apt-get -d install openbsd-inetd |
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| 11:09.10 | Phil2 | openbsd-inetd is already the newest version. |
| 11:09.11 | Phil2 | heh |
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| 11:09.28 | xingu | err, apt-get -d install --reinstall openbsd-inetd |
| 11:09.30 | xingu | :) |
| 11:09.48 | Phil2 | Download complete and in download only mode |
| 11:09.57 | xingu | ok now look again in archives |
| 11:10.02 | Phil2 | still nothing :/ |
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| 11:10.44 | xingu | ok, bruteforce time; apt-get -d install --reinstall --print-uris openbsd-inetd |
| 11:11.01 | xingu | god only knows what you've done locally, I'm putting my goggles on now |
| 11:11.17 | Phil2 | that returned nothing |
| 11:11.22 | Phil2 | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y |
| 11:11.22 | Phil2 | home:/var/cache/apt/archives# |
| 11:11.27 | dutchfish | how can i setup my lcd screen (1680x1050) for a DVI-I cable? (it is working through vga atm but not through DVI-I) |
| 11:11.35 | xingu | Phil2: apt-get update first? |
| 11:11.50 | Phil2 | done it a few times, but I'll do it again |
| 11:12.00 | Phil2 | nop, same thing |
| 11:12.10 | xingu | sounds like something is really, really busted locally. |
| 11:12.19 | Phil2 | lol |
| 11:12.25 | xingu | what were you doing /before/ this got broken? |
| 11:12.48 | Phil2 | nothing |
| 11:12.56 | Phil2 | just not done an upgrade for a while |
| 11:13.00 | Phil2 | so I decided to do one today |
| 11:13.02 | factor | dutchfish:mine is working with the dvi, but seems to work as the vga one did |
| 11:13.03 | xingu | well, that's not true, because you already said you did a "clean" |
| 11:13.13 | xingu | so waht exactly /were/ you doing before this went nuts? |
| 11:13.19 | Phil2 | ran update followed by upgrade and it gave that error |
| 11:13.27 | Phil2 | so I ran upgrade again and it gave the error again |
| 11:13.39 | Phil2 | so I ran a clean and then an upgrade but still the same error |
| 11:13.58 | dutchfish | factor, its so anoying because i have a multiboot (div OS) machine and need to switch cables everytime i want debian |
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| 11:14.08 | phatmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.14 | phatmonkey | whoops |
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| 11:15.00 | factor | dutchfish:what video card? |
| 11:15.08 | dutchfish | factor, do i need to configure xorg or is it driver related? |
| 11:15.08 | xingu | Phil2: dpkg --configure --force-all openbsd-inetd |
| 11:15.23 | Phil2 | same error as the initial one |
| 11:15.27 | factor | you cant use the nv driver that is for sure |
| 11:15.34 | factor | I have to use the nvidia driver |
| 11:15.44 | xingu | Phil2: what's your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 11:15.47 | factor | but I use multi head as well |
| 11:15.58 | factor | but that is if you use nvidia |
| 11:16.12 | dimir | Moin! |
| 11:16.14 | dutchfish | factor, i have ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 9100 IGP |
| 11:16.21 | factor | humm |
| 11:16.26 | Phil2 | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=446 |
| 11:16.39 | factor | do you use the default driver or get them from the vendor |
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| 11:16.57 | dutchfish | factor, the video out is working fine along with VGA but not DVI-I |
| 11:17.03 | factor | right |
| 11:17.23 | factor | dutchfish:to get my special features I have to download the driver from the vendor and compile it |
| 11:17.34 | dutchfish | factor, i have default driver i gues (its a fresh install today) |
| 11:17.43 | factor | the default xorg friver will work for vga but not any spify options |
| 11:17.52 | dutchfish | factor, aha |
| 11:17.53 | factor | I would chek with the vender ati |
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| 11:18.31 | xingu | Phil2: cd ~root/; wget http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openbsd-inetd/openbsd-inetd_0.20050402-5_i386.deb; dpkg -i --force-confmiss openbsd-inetd*deb |
| 11:18.32 | dutchfish | factor, ati do make drivers for 2.6.18-4 kernel? |
| 11:18.44 | factor | nvidia does dunno about ati |
| 11:19.08 | xingu | !ati |
| 11:19.08 | dpkg | want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. |
| 11:19.28 | dutchfish | xingu, thx very much! |
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| 11:20.59 | Phil2 | aha xingu! |
| 11:21.02 | Phil2 | that got it |
| 11:21.03 | Phil2 | thanks :) |
| 11:21.34 | Phil2 | just a quick question I've been meaning to ask though |
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| 11:21.41 | Phil2 | when I do an upgrade, it says |
| 11:21.41 | Phil2 | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 11:21.41 | Phil2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.44 | dutchfish | xingu, do i need to install xserver-xorg-video-ati along with it? |
| 11:21.46 | Phil2 | what's that about? |
| 11:21.48 | troubled | sourceforge down? |
| 11:22.02 | Phil2 | seems so |
| 11:22.03 | Phil2 | heh |
| 11:22.05 | xingu | Phil2: they're depending on a package not yet available in the repo. |
| 11:22.17 | Phil2 | ah, ok |
| 11:22.27 | xingu | Phil2: apt-get depends/ apt-get rdepends if you're really keen. |
| 11:22.30 | troubled | Phil2: down for you? |
| 11:22.36 | Phil2 | yeh troubled |
| 11:22.38 | xingu | err, apt-cache depends/ apt-cache rdepends |
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| 11:22.58 | troubled | Phil2: k, thanks |
| 11:23.15 | Coke | I've just finished compiling my own kernel, I want jack to run in realtime priority so I have added the realtime module and put capability as a module. When I try to modprobe realtime gid=50 it says "unknown parameter 'gid'" even though the source code of the module clearly states there's a paramter named "gid". What to do? I'm on Debian testing, using source packages from Debian for the kernel and realtime module. |
| 11:23.55 | dutchfish | Coke, did you build the kernel chrooted? |
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| 11:24.51 | factor | dutchfish: here is a link to the ATI Radeon Proprietary driver http://ati.de/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html |
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| 11:25.03 | dutchfish | factor, thx :) |
| 11:25.05 | Coke | dutchfish: don't know. I built using "make bzImage" and "make modules" |
| 11:25.29 | dutchfish | Coke, i sugest to read debian's kernel buidling pages |
| 11:26.10 | Coke | dutchfish: why? tried using make-kpkg, same result. |
| 11:26.21 | Coke | dutchfish: only it takes 1 minute longer every time because it needs to build the debs |
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| 11:27.11 | Coke | dutchfish: the INSTALL file in the realtime package has clear instructions on how to either do it using the linux makefile or how to add it to a debian package. I've tried both. |
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| 11:27.37 | Coke | dutchfish: and I don't think that what method I use to build the kernel would affect what parameters the realtime module accepts. |
| 11:27.47 | dutchfish | Coke, looking it up, just a sec |
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| 11:28.28 | Coke | dutchfish: last time I used it was in kernel 2.6.15.4, I just downloaded both kernel and realtime from their respective sites. This problem is new since I upgraded to the debian 2.6.18 sources. |
| 11:28.39 | jelly-home | Coke: does modinfo realtime show the parameter? |
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| 11:28.58 | Coke | jelly-home: doesn't say anything about parameters. |
| 11:29.15 | dutchfish | Coke, par example: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 11:29.28 | jelly-home | Coke: then is seems none are compiled in |
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| 11:29.53 | Coke | jelly-home: mhm. indeed. |
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| 11:30.02 | Coke | jelly-home: my question is; why the hell not? :) |
| 11:30.11 | Coke | why is the Debian source package so special? |
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| 11:30.58 | Coke | jelly-home: the README from the Debian realtime source package says I should be able to modprobe realtime gid=29 |
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| 11:31.20 | jelly-home | Coke: maybe you need a newer version realtime than what's in the distro for that kernel? |
| 11:31.39 | jhr-online | someone here using debconf with success? |
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| 11:32.25 | Coke | jelly-home: why would they include the README from the newer version? |
| 11:32.39 | Coke | jelly-home: and why did this work with versions < 0.8.7 ? |
| 11:32.54 | jhr-online | i'm trying to write a script with a simple question and an answer using debconf but it seems that i'm too stupid for that... :( |
| 11:32.56 | jelly-home | Coke: I'd check the bts, try if the newest version from upstream works, and possibly report a bug |
| 11:33.18 | karmatronic | Coke, so modprobe realtime gid=29 doestn work ? |
| 11:33.24 | jelly-home | Coke: who knows? kernel API changes all the time... |
| 11:33.28 | cahoot | Coke: not set in /etc/default/realtime nowadays? |
| 11:34.20 | CharminTheMoose | has anyone here managed to successfully compile metisse on debian sarge? |
| 11:34.27 | Coke | karmatronic: no. |
| 11:34.38 | Coke | jelly-home: eh, this isn't about the kernel API |
| 11:34.45 | Coke | cahoot: dunno. |
| 11:34.59 | Coke | cahoot: no such file |
| 11:35.11 | karmatronic | Coke, and you get a message ? |
| 11:35.31 | Coke | karmatronic: "unknown parameter" |
| 11:35.40 | Coke | when I do insmod it says "-1 unknown symbol in module" |
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| 11:35.43 | jelly-home | Coke: I was thinking maybe you had mismatched versions of kernel and out-of-tree module, and the module got miscompiled |
| 11:36.08 | Coke | jelly-home: I built the kernel, followed the realtime INSTALL file and continued building. |
| 11:36.25 | karmatronic | Coke, but modinfo realtime shows the gid parameter ? |
| 11:36.25 | liable | unknown symbol isnt a good sign |
| 11:36.28 | Coke | karmatronic: no. |
| 11:36.33 | Coke | I know. |
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| 11:36.45 | Coke | I'm starting to suspect that the Debian source packages for realtime are severely broken |
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| 11:36.54 | liable | Coke: gcc versions match? |
| 11:37.02 | Coke | liable: that's what I'm checking now. |
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| 11:37.20 | Coke | liable: but why would the package maintainer of realtime choose to NOT use the same GCC as the kernel uses? |
| 11:37.50 | liable | Coke: er, sec, you compiled the kernel and the module? |
| 11:38.12 | liable | Coke: or you have a debian kernel and compiled realtime? |
| 11:38.12 | Coke | liable: I installed the source packages and followed the instructions in the realtime INSTALL file |
| 11:38.18 | Coke | liable: both are compiled |
| 11:38.25 | liable | should be ok then |
| 11:38.30 | Coke | -should- be., |
| 11:38.38 | Coke | How do I check what GCC was used for the kernel? |
| 11:39.18 | Coke | If it's a GCC mismatch I could just recompile the realtime module right now and retry the insmod |
| 11:39.29 | liable | Coke: cat /proc/version |
| 11:39.46 | DimmuR | is yaird new default tool for creating initrd images? |
| 11:39.53 | liable | yes |
| 11:40.02 | jelly-home | not mkiniramfs? |
| 11:40.12 | jelly-home | mkinitramfs * |
| 11:40.19 | liable | hrm, is there still the two? |
| 11:40.47 | Coke | liable: and the realtime module? |
| 11:40.54 | liable | actually, i'll shut up seeing as i dont make initrds |
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| 11:41.51 | DimmuR | liable, i would linke not have to make initrd images but i can't compile kernel to boot from sata device |
| 11:41.52 | liable | Coke: i dont know actually, whatever your gcc version was at compilre i guess |
| 11:42.17 | Coke | liable: my kernel says 4.1.2 (4.1.1-19 debian) and module vermagic says 4.1 |
| 11:42.19 | liable | DimmuR: just cause its sata doesnt mean you need to have a initrd |
| 11:42.34 | liable | Coke: looks ok |
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| 11:42.52 | liable | DimmuR: you just need to get the right drivers built in |
| 11:43.21 | liable | Coke: your modinfo gives 4.1? |
| 11:43.27 | Coke | liable: mhm. |
| 11:43.41 | Coke | it says, gcc-4.1 |
| 11:43.43 | DimmuR | liable, i'll check it again :) |
| 11:43.44 | liable | my modinfo for a module i compiled today doesnt. |
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| 11:44.06 | luch | all: ! |
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| 11:44.26 | Coke | liable: you know what. I'll just -not- use the Debian packages. |
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| 11:44.39 | liable | Coke: works for me :) |
| 11:44.49 | liable | kernel source and all. |
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| 11:45.21 | norc | How do I specify a certain compiler for make? |
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| 11:45.40 | liable | norc: in the makefile or export CC=gcc.foo |
| 11:45.48 | Coke | liable: I'm on testing. |
| 11:46.00 | liable | Coke: so? |
| 11:46.06 | norc | liable: ah thanks |
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| 11:46.09 | Coke | liable: might be we are using different versions. |
| 11:46.20 | liable | Coke: of which? |
| 11:46.21 | DimmuR | liable, i've only 1 question - do i need any scsi support to boot from sata device? (or only sata modules?) |
| 11:46.37 | Coke | liable: Ah, I thought you meant that realtime "works for me". :) |
| 11:46.51 | liable | DimmuR: depends, very recent kernels have there own sata directories during config |
| 11:46.57 | norc | is there a way to disable the delay I get when I enter a wrong password with su? |
| 11:47.05 | liable | Coke: nah, using non-debian sources :) |
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| 11:47.30 | liable | norc: yes, stop entering the wrong password |
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| 11:47.38 | Coke | liable: good call. geesh. debian isn't what it used to be. the #1 reason I use debian is because "it just works". |
| 11:48.06 | liable | Coke: for binaries, yeah. compiling is a bit different |
| 11:48.08 | DimmuR | liable, i've 2.6.20.1 kernel and there are sata drivers so i check it |
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| 11:48.52 | liable | DimmuR: from .18 to .19 my sata drivers moved in the config, took me a second compile to get it right |
| 11:49.13 | liable | because i am a lazy bastard and didnt go through the whole conf |
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| 11:49.39 | liable | needless to say, i did go through it all the second time :) |
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| 11:52.11 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 11:52.29 | mateuszk | I am getting at start modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 11:52.36 | mateuszk | repeated many times |
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| 11:52.53 | mateuszk | I am using initramfs whats wrong? |
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| 11:53.52 | liable | does the file exist? |
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| 12:04.43 | dutchfish | xingu, i get FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted when i try to insmod the kernel driver |
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| 12:07.25 | Mockers | hi every1 |
| 12:08.16 | wols | dutchfish: you need to be root to do it |
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| 12:08.30 | dutchfish | wols, of coarse i did it as root |
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| 12:10.00 | dutchfish | wols, dmesg gives this: [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed |
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| 12:10.44 | dutchfish | wols, and this: [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 804 MBytes. |
| 12:11.24 | enouf | DimmuR: yaird was used to make initrd for sarge(2.4.27, 2.6.8, and up), and is deprecated pretty much (no more devel), and initramfs is used for later kernels using udev, so initramfs-tools and mkinitramfs is used to roll your initrd instead (if you want to even use one, which you don't need to) |
| 12:11.47 | enouf | DimmuR: afaik ;-) |
| 12:12.25 | DimmuR | enouf, great thanks for info |
| 12:12.57 | wols | dutchfish: dunno. I avoid ati |
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| 12:13.36 | dutchfish | wols, so far al my machines on debian use ati without a glitch, however this machine is stubrn |
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| 12:14.14 | dutchfish | wols, ati radeon 9100 IGP |
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| 12:21.29 | liable | enouf: eh? yaird didnt even exist when sarge was released |
| 12:22.08 | liable | i think you may have it backwards |
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| 12:23.55 | seshomaru1234 | hi all, just upgraded to etch - i'm looking for kernel headers for 2.6.18-4-686 , is there a special repo for that? |
| 12:24.09 | liable | DimmuR: 9100's are supported by the free radeon driver iirc |
| 12:24.32 | liable | seshomaru1234: they are called linux-headers now (same as kernel) |
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| 12:24.54 | seshomaru1234 | liable, of course - i forgot that,,,,,, |
| 12:24.56 | seshomaru1234 | thanks |
| 12:25.18 | liable | np |
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| 12:27.40 | dutchfish | wols, for your info: depmod -ae was needed ;) |
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| 12:28.00 | VXWorks | where do I get a list with all packages avaliable to install throught apt-get ? |
| 12:28.44 | norc | VXWorks: http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt :) |
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| 12:29.11 | VXWorks | norc, thanks |
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| 12:30.27 | VXWorks | another one, I need the kernels sources, but there are no sources in /usr/src/linux! Where are them? |
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| 12:31.42 | norc | VXWorks: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
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| 12:40.34 | zimnyx | When i mount samba share and sharing computer is disconnected my apps froze (including "ls" from commandline). How can i prevent it? |
| 12:40.49 | zimnyx | IS there a deamon that will mount all available samba shares automatically? |
| 12:41.00 | zimnyx | without a need of configuring it much |
| 12:41.05 | zimnyx | like on windows |
| 12:41.29 | norc | 13:40 < zimnyx> When i mount samba share and sharing computer is disconnected my apps froze (including "ls" from commandline). How can i prevent it? < you cannot |
| 12:42.04 | xand | zimnyx: don't disconnect the other computer. |
| 12:42.48 | zimnyx | it's not mine PC, it's normal situation that someone turns his PC off soemtime.. |
| 12:43.08 | norc | zimnyx: Then unmount it before he turns his machine off. |
| 12:43.08 | xand | orly |
| 12:43.20 | zimnyx | norc: can i make timeout smaller than? |
| 12:43.30 | norc | zimnyx: As far as I know there is no timeout |
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| 12:44.34 | zimnyx | uhm |
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| 12:45.51 | wols | you can put your samba shares in /etc/fstab |
| 12:45.59 | wols | then they get mounted as any other filesystem |
| 12:46.07 | jor | Don't mount smb ) Use an smb frontend/client or userspace filesystem so you |
| 12:46.17 | wols | there are also a few X programs like linneighborhood, xsamba, etc |
| 12:46.50 | liable | wols: mountall runs before networking, i had to do a init.d script hack to get it to work |
| 12:46.58 | zimnyx | wols: i tried many, they are not too good. |
| 12:47.17 | zimnyx | no i use pyNeighborhood |
| 12:47.20 | liable | but it was quit a while ago |
| 12:47.42 | wols | liable: probably still the case |
| 12:47.59 | wols | you need mounted /, /usr, etc to be able to execute all your other init scripts |
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| 12:48.40 | liable | yes, and you need networking up before mountall can run things from fstab to mount samba |
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| 12:49.13 | Intensity_ | When I run "pivot_root . initrd" on a 2.6.18 kernel on etch, I get "Invalid argument". /new-root is mounted (ext3, ro) and initrd exists beneath it. Any ideas why I cannot pivot_root? |
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| 12:49.17 | liable | what i dont get, is apparently nfs is mounted from fstab too, must have a timeout or summin |
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| 12:50.20 | SkippyX | I picked up an old, old used laptop - dell latitude cpi d300xt, 300 MHz PII, 96 megs RAM - and I'd like to do a bare-bones install on it. I want to use it as an appliance to get online @ wifi hotspots. |
| 12:50.40 | SkippyX | Anyways- downloaded etch. during install it hangs up at "Detect & Mount CDROM". |
| 12:50.44 | liable | Intensity_: is this in a chroot or single mode or what? |
| 12:50.53 | SkippyX | Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 12:51.16 | jwheare | i just got set up with a vps running debian stable and i'd like to install python2.4 on it. since the latest version in the stable repository is 2.3, i wonder what's the best way to upgrade? |
| 12:51.20 | liable | SkippyX: try the 2.4 kernel |
| 12:51.24 | Intensity_ | liable: So far it's just an initrd that ran a shell. I loaded modules manually. Haven't run a proper init yet. |
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| 12:51.29 | liable | SkippyX: hit f3 at boot |
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| 12:51.47 | none | hi, what's required to let system use an ISA SCSI adapter (bound to a SCSI scanner) and use the Scanner as well ? |
| 12:51.58 | enouf | liable: yes .. you are right .. yaird seems to be a replacement(supplement) for mkinitrd (more highly customizable,etc), yet for 2.6.8 and later kernels, however initramfs-tools came along .. i can't find the docs i had telling of timeline, so .. I do know that initramfs utilizes a cpio archive, instead of the old style compressed rom style, but whatever, still much to learn .. the implementation of udev fully at ~2.6.15 altered much. It appea |
| 12:51.59 | enouf | yaird filled that void from 2.6.8->2.6.16ish .. more http://yaird.alioth.debian.org/yaird.html |
| 12:52.00 | jwheare | build from source? backport? i'm new to debian. |
| 12:52.02 | SkippyX | liable, why the 2.4 kernel? |
| 12:52.04 | liable | Intensity_: i havent ever even used pivot_root, but the ro in the message looks like a likely cadidate |
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| 12:52.14 | liable | SkippyX: old hardware |
| 12:52.30 | Intensity_ | liable: What do you mean by "the ro in the message"? |
| 12:52.31 | SkippyX | The new kernel has dropped support for older hardware? |
| 12:52.48 | enouf | erm s/.6.15/~2.6.15 |
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| 12:53.06 | liable | Intensity_: it says the new directory is read only |
| 12:53.10 | enouf | one more try, then i slap the baitch ..erm s/.6.15/~2.6.15 |
| 12:53.13 | liable | SkippyX: just try it |
| 12:53.31 | Intensity_ | liable: Where does it say that? |
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| 12:53.39 | enouf | !slap the stupid irc client |
| 12:54.02 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.04 | SkippyX | OK - then I'll have to go back to town later today....(I'm on dial-up - which is why I wanted a wifi lappy in the first place) |
| 12:54.06 | wols | none: driver for that scsi controller and sane |
| 12:54.23 | Intensity_ | liable: Yes, I mounted it read-only. Are you suggesting that I should have done otherwise? |
| 12:54.24 | SkippyX | broadband is unavailable out where I live. |
| 12:54.26 | liable | SkippyX: the etch installer has the option of installing with 2.4 |
| 12:54.26 | none | <wols>hod do i find out the driver? |
| 12:54.27 | wols | SkippyX: I installed etch on a similar machine as yours |
| 12:54.35 | liable | Intensity_: would try, yeah |
| 12:54.43 | wols | PII 333, 128MB RAM, BX/LX chipset notebook |
| 12:54.45 | wols | works fine |
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| 12:54.50 | wols | how is the CDROM attached? |
| 12:54.56 | Intensity_ | liable: Same result. |
| 12:54.59 | SkippyX | liable, does it? Kewl - I've got etch.....Hmmm |
| 12:55.03 | liable | Intensity_: bugger |
| 12:55.05 | wols | none: you know what scsi card it is |
| 12:55.18 | none | the name is 16dscsi |
| 12:55.30 | SkippyX | wols, some kind of port on the front of the machine. I dunno - my first lappy. It swaps out w/ the floppy - or I can put another battery in there. |
| 12:55.31 | wols | that's no scsi chip |
| 12:56.05 | wols | SkippyX: that's normal. mine has that too. the CD is still attached to the IDE controller as any other CD |
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| 12:56.30 | wols | none: you need to find out what scsi controller chip it is |
| 12:56.34 | SkippyX | Then I wonder why it's hanging when it goes to detect & mount the CDROM? |
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| 12:56.44 | wols | what exactly is hanging? |
| 12:56.57 | wols | which rocess? |
| 12:57.15 | none | <wols>seems says DTC_3181x |
| 12:57.17 | SkippyX | I don't know which process. I used the gui install and the standard install. |
| 12:57.25 | Intensity_ | liable: Where else might I ask the question? |
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| 12:57.35 | SkippyX | Didn't say which process was hanging - only that it was attempting to detect & mount the CDROM. |
| 12:57.52 | SkippyX | The CDROM spun for a good while - nothing happened. I walked away - made tea.....came back... |
| 12:57.56 | liable | Intensity_: try here again a bit later, or if you arent in a huge rush, try the debian-users mailing list |
| 12:58.06 | rpetre | hi, anyone here using ipsec-tools and racoon under etch (preferably) ? |
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| 12:58.11 | liable | Intensity_: or ##linux i guess |
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| 13:02.23 | nones | Wols, the card is DTC 3181 |
| 13:03.07 | SkippyX | Hey! The expert install gui might have given me the answer. "For example, some Dell laptops need 'exclude port 0x800-0x8ff' to be specified here." Let's give that a go. |
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| 13:04.40 | TIRC_2467 | hi i have problem to do smbount -o krb!! someone can help me? |
| 13:04.55 | wols | !tell TIRC_2467 about ask |
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| 13:05.05 | wols | nones: then check for a driver for that card |
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| 13:06.31 | TIRC_2467 | wols: i try to mount a folder by e active directory win2k with smbmount and kerberos and it say access denied if i try smbclient with kerberos auth it works!!! |
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| 13:07.23 | nones | mmm isapnpdump neither finds the card |
| 13:07.25 | nones | :( |
| 13:08.16 | abrotman | what kind of card is it? |
| 13:08.55 | nones | scsi card ove ISA slot |
| 13:09.14 | abrotman | maybe it's MCA :) |
| 13:09.18 | nones | model DTC3181 |
| 13:09.20 | abrotman | none: does it have jumpers ? |
| 13:09.21 | nones | ? |
| 13:09.28 | xingu | argh |
| 13:09.33 | xingu | dtc3181? |
| 13:09.34 | xingu | run |
| 13:09.37 | xingu | run very fast |
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| 13:10.12 | nones | two jmp but the just terminates the scsi chain :P |
| 13:10.22 | nones | the problem is my deb doens't see the card |
| 13:10.23 | abrotman | nones: flip it over .. are there jumpers on the board to show irq/IO/etc |
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| 13:11.52 | biz | hi, i use 'tail' to tail a logfile. however, when this logfile gets rotatet by 'logrotate', tail stops doing any output without any error, it just stays at the last line before rotation (even if there are new entries in the log) what can i do about this? is the logrotate 'nocopytruncate' option envolved here? (i didn't set it) |
| 13:12.17 | nones | even gaining its irq etc, isapnpdump shouldn't find it anyway ? |
| 13:12.26 | xingu | they're not pnp cards; driver is "dtc"; they're barely "scsi", they're dc5380's ie glorified parallel ports |
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| 13:13.01 | xingu | you really don't want to be using that card |
| 13:13.07 | xingu | even if you think you do, you don't. :) |
| 13:13.23 | nones | yeah but i need :) |
| 13:13.26 | abrotman | biz: the file is being movied |
| 13:13.29 | nones | my scanner works with that |
| 13:13.29 | abrotman | moved |
| 13:13.45 | abrotman | get a new scanner |
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| 13:14.17 | abrotman | they've made a lot of advancements in scanners since 1993 |
| 13:14.22 | cookoo | is it possible to learn under debian as your first exposure to linux? |
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| 13:14.45 | abrotman | cookoo: it was the first linux that installed on my PC (i'd been using Unix before that though) |
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| 13:15.13 | Velaskyalf | hello. Etch already testing release? |
| 13:15.15 | xingu | abrotman: does i386 etch have dtc.ko? |
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| 13:15.31 | abrotman | !find dtc.ko etch |
| 13:15.42 | abrotman | Velaskyalf: etch hasn't released yet |
| 13:15.47 | cookoo | what year did you start using debian? |
| 13:15.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dtc.ko' (3 of 6): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/dtc.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/dtc.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/drivers/scsi/dtc.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-486. |
| 13:15.57 | abrotman | xingu: apparently |
| 13:15.59 | xingu | there you go |
| 13:16.03 | abrotman | cookoo: a long time ago |
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| 13:16.29 | xingu | nones: modinfo dtc.ko; you'll need to tell the driver what base IO port and IRQ it's configured for more than likely |
| 13:16.43 | biz | abrotman: ah, so logrotate does just move the file out of the way and directly creates a new empty one (option create). but what can i do so tail goes on after the file is moved and newly created? |
| 13:17.04 | Velaskyalf | abrotman; i wanna use etch on webserver. I need web hosting control panel. which control panel working with etch? |
| 13:17.05 | abrotman | biz: maybe SIGHUP tail .. or just restart it |
| 13:17.11 | sangriag | hi: I am having problem with bcm4xx driver. I can see the range of wireless APs but cannot access them. dmesg says: bcm43xx: ASSERTION FAILED (radio_attenuation < 10) at: drivers/net/wireless/bcm43xx/bcm43xx_phy.c:1496:bcm43xx_find_lopair() |
| 13:17.11 | xingu | actually, no, it can autoprobe using a bios signature |
| 13:17.14 | abrotman | Velaskyalf: vi |
| 13:18.01 | Velaskyalf | abrotman: i need GUI :( |
| 13:18.05 | sangriag | Also, I could not access the cups with browser in localhost:631/admin. I have etch |
| 13:18.20 | abrotman | Velaskyalf: there are no cpane/webmin type things in etch |
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| 13:18.32 | xingu | 128byte buffer on that bit banger by the looks of things |
| 13:18.35 | xingu | bletch |
| 13:18.36 | liable | Velaskyalf: no you dont. really. a little learning is what you need |
| 13:18.39 | abrotman | Velaskyalf: that i'm aware of anyways |
| 13:18.43 | xingu | no command queues either |
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| 13:18.54 | liable | there is a linux cpanel copy thats free |
| 13:19.03 | liable | but i forget what its called |
| 13:19.04 | abrotman | it's just not in etch :) |
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| 13:19.22 | sangriag | Velaskyalf: ispconfig.org could be something for you or vhcs.net! |
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| 13:22.03 | aidan | mirror.pacific.net.au seems to be dead, is there another au mirror? where's the list live |
| 13:22.24 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 13:22.25 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 13:22.32 | xand | ftp.au.debian.org |
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| 13:25.02 | aidan | Is there something going on? http://debian.planetmirror.com/debian/ |
| 13:25.54 | abrotman | try another! |
| 13:26.13 | RvGaTe | How do i find out who uploaded a file on a ftp... its a public ftp and someone changed something who shouldn't have changed it... how can i find his ip? using vsftpd |
| 13:26.33 | asg | RvGaTe: should be a log (/var/log/vsftpd.log) |
| 13:26.37 | abrotman | http://mirror.datafast.net.au/debian/ |
| 13:26.40 | abrotman | works fine |
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| 13:31.21 | cookoo | apt-get install npt was awsome my pc powered down with power saving functions i hit a key and it woke right up |
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| 13:32.53 | hark | npt? |
| 13:33.33 | cookoo | ntp |
| 13:33.42 | aidan | # apt-get update |
| 13:33.42 | aidan | Err http://mirror.datafast.net.au stable/main Packages |
| 13:33.42 | aidan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.48 | VXWorks | I can apt-get install xserver-xorg... it says there is a broken package |
| 13:34.00 | VXWorks | xserver-common |
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| 13:34.05 | aidan | you sure it's working abrotman? |
| 13:34.20 | abrotman | just worked for me |
| 13:34.26 | abrotman | aidan: let me see your source line |
| 13:34.50 | aidan | # cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:34.50 | aidan | deb http://mirror.datafast.net.au/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 13:34.50 | aidan | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:35.01 | hark | VXWorks: etch? |
| 13:35.13 | abrotman | aidan: when i open that URL .. works fine (in a browser |
| 13:35.22 | VXWorks | hark: sarge |
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| 13:35.37 | benjaa | lol nick vx |
| 13:35.38 | hark | backports then? |
| 13:35.53 | VXWorks | yap |
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| 13:36.07 | benjaa | i drop in some beer and sleep |
| 13:36.16 | aidan | abrotman: works fine here too, not with apt? |
| 13:36.17 | hark | xserver-common in XFree86 iirc |
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| 13:36.50 | VXWorks | hark: what? |
| 13:36.56 | hark | you should have an x11-common.. so remove that package |
| 13:37.12 | abrotman | aidan: from the same machine ? |
| 13:37.50 | VXWorks | ok |
| 13:38.13 | aidan | yes |
| 13:38.30 | hark | oh, s/in/is |
| 13:38.48 | VXWorks | hark: there is no x11-common packege installed |
| 13:39.28 | hark | VXWorks: hmm, dunno about backports |
| 13:39.53 | Daveman | Good [relative] morning, abrotman. |
| 13:40.17 | abrotman | hi |
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| 13:40.53 | Daveman | :) |
| 13:40.54 | abrotman | aidan: AFAICT >. it sohuld work |
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| 13:42.52 | aidan | do I need debian-amd64 in there or something/ |
| 13:42.52 | elenril | hi, how can i input japanese characters in debian? |
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| 13:44.05 | abrotman | aidan: you neglected to tell us that part :) |
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| 13:45.10 | aidan | abrotman: ah, I wasn't sure if it was relevant |
| 13:45.20 | none | hi, did dmesg | grep isapnp and it said : isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: Card 'DTC436E' - isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total |
| 13:45.58 | abrotman | aidan: ask #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net ... or use the main amd64-sarge mirror |
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| 13:47.56 | none | what package contains LSISA? |
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| 13:49.44 | asg | none: /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:51.14 | none | dpkg: *lsisa* not found |
| 13:52.28 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 13:52.29 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
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| 13:53.22 | asg | smokey bacon flavour |
| 13:53.27 | lunitik | mmmmm |
| 13:53.43 | none | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.55 | abrotman | good for you |
| 13:54.08 | none | :( |
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| 13:54.24 | lunitik | none: that seems like an annoying name to use |
| 13:54.25 | aidan | http://rafb.net/p/SjyZU016.html |
| 13:54.39 | aidan | that's using the entries in http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html |
| 13:54.40 | wols | none: pnpdumb |
| 13:54.46 | none | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.51 | wols | pnpdump rather. freudian slip :( |
| 13:54.52 | lunitik | Kind of like using 'the' or something |
| 13:54.53 | none | pnpdump says no card found |
| 13:54.58 | none | on any address it searches for |
| 13:56.00 | wols | from googling: it can use irq 3,4,5,11,15 |
| 13:56.18 | drummer_wilson | guys, i have 2 swap partiotions on my hdd, how can i use one of them for hibernation??? |
| 13:56.27 | none | and in bios i set those to ISA/EISA |
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| 13:57.32 | none | hwinfo says: ISA(PnP) 01.0: 0000 - Created at isapnp.147] - SysFS ID: /devices/pnp1/01:01/01:01.00 |
| 13:57.33 | asg | drummer_wilson: what mechanism are you using for hibernation? |
| 13:57.33 | wols | none: http://coney.de/howtos/dtc3181.html |
| 13:57.49 | drummer_wilson | asg: no idea |
| 13:58.02 | liable | drummer_wilson: usually with ammending it to your kernel line .. swap:/dev/foo or whatever the exact syntax ix |
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| 13:58.06 | liable | is |
| 13:58.09 | wols | drummer_wilson: now it's a good time to find out |
| 13:58.29 | drummer_wilson | wols: how? |
| 13:58.31 | asg | drummer_wilson: well, if it's uswsusp, look at the 'resume device' entry in /etc/uswsusp.conf |
| 13:59.10 | amphi | drummer_wilson: you use 'resume=/dev/foo' to tell swsusp what swap device to use |
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| 13:59.59 | wols | if I use suspend2 and hibernate to a swappartition, what happens if the swap is fuller than the amount of memory I have? |
| 14:00.19 | wols | e.g. if the rest of free swapspace is less than the amount of RAM? |
| 14:00.27 | asg | wols: it fails iirc, badly |
| 14:00.29 | Marenz | how can i prevent a certain module from loading at startup? 8rt61pci) |
| 14:00.35 | Marenz | -8+( |
| 14:00.38 | asg | Marenz: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 14:00.39 | wols | !tell Marenz about blacklist |
| 14:00.40 | drummer_wilson | guys.. i need to use the one partition for virtual memory and the other swap for hibernation |
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| 14:00.49 | Marenz | ty |
| 14:01.21 | liable | wols: it does have a compression function too though iirc |
| 14:01.28 | wols | yes. lzma |
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| 14:01.36 | asg | drummer_wilson: then find out which hibernation mechanism you are using; there are more than one and each defines the resume device in a different way |
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| 14:02.02 | sangriag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.10 | drummer_wilson | asg: how can i find that out? |
| 14:02.22 | amphi | wols: swsusp aborts and life continues as normal, if there's not enough swap space, IMe |
| 14:02.31 | liable | if you dont know, then i guess you are using ubuntu |
| 14:02.45 | asg | drummer_wilson: dpkg -l | grep swsus |
| 14:02.47 | drummer_wilson | huh? nah using debian |
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| 14:04.17 | liable | suspend doesnt really work out of the box in debian, and unless you have patched the kernel, you have swusp |
| 14:04.19 | none | is it possible to odprobe g_NCR5380 dtc_3181e=1 ncr_addr=0x280 without recompiling the kernel ? |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | modconf |
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| 14:04.53 | drummer_wilson | asg: it says : ii uswsusp |
| 14:05.13 | asg | drummer_wilson: then look at /etc/uswsusp.conf for the 'resume device' entry I mentioned above. |
| 14:05.19 | amphi | liable: it just needs 'resume=/dev/foo' to make it work |
| 14:05.29 | asg | drummer_wilson: change it to use whichever swap partition you wish to use |
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| 14:05.59 | ma3x | hey, I was wondering why when I disable IGMP multicast option, my TV decoder pictures freezes after a couple of seconds? |
| 14:06.43 | drummer_wilson | asg: will that cause any problems? |
| 14:06.43 | asg | liable: I've had very good luck with uswsusp (at least the s2disk portion) |
| 14:06.51 | asg | drummer_wilson: it shouldn't |
| 14:07.03 | drummer_wilson | asg: i mean in the end of the day does it worth it? |
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| 14:07.34 | asg | drummer_wilson: yes, my laptop has an uptime of several weeks |
| 14:07.35 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 14:07.37 | amphi | swsusp has worled well for me |
| 14:07.49 | none | FATAL: Error inserting g_NCR5380 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-1-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/g_NCR5380.ko): No such device |
| 14:08.02 | mateuszk | I am getting FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modulesdep: No such file or directory |
| 14:08.05 | mateuszk | number of times |
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| 14:08.27 | mateuszk | when system starts |
| 14:08.42 | mateuszk | I am using 2.6.18 precompiled with initramfs |
| 14:08.47 | mateuszk | Any help? |
| 14:09.00 | asg | Marenz: run /sbin/depmod -a |
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| 14:09.06 | Marenz | i want to connect to a dsl router using wlan. now what i did: i got the ssid and the key and the encryption method (WEP 64BIT HEX) , now i did iwconfig ra0 mode Ad-Hoc essid <essid> key on ; iwconfig ra0 key <key> ; ifup ra0; #(i set iface ra0 inet dhcp in my intefaces). then ra0 discovers several DHCP's with different intervals (5 11 21 10 14 ) then it says No DHCPOFFERS received. Is that my fault? |
| 14:09.38 | asg | Marenz: try using 'Managed' mode instead of Ad-Hoc mode |
| 14:09.42 | Marenz | k |
| 14:09.48 | mateuszk | asg, ? |
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| 14:10.16 | mateuszk | Anyone had similar problem ? |
| 14:10.16 | asg | mateuszk: sorry, my bad. run /sbin/depmod -a |
| 14:10.16 | mateuszk | asg, did it |
| 14:10.16 | drummer_wilson | asg: can u help me a little bit bout that uswsup.conf? how do i change the swap drive in there? cant see any sda.. |
| 14:10.19 | mateuszk | asg, the file already exist |
| 14:10.25 | asg | mateuszk: and you rebooted? |
| 14:10.29 | mateuszk | asg, yes |
| 14:10.32 | mateuszk | asg, many times |
| 14:10.32 | asg | hmmm |
| 14:10.42 | mateuszk | asg, its when it starts at the very begining |
| 14:10.45 | asg | drummer_wilson: resume device = /dev/hda5 |
| 14:10.52 | asg | drummer_wilson: that's my swap |
| 14:10.57 | mateuszk | asg, I dont think that modprobe can load modules.dep |
| 14:11.00 | asg | drummer_wilson: change /dev/hda5 to /dev/sda<whatever> |
| 14:11.05 | mateuszk | asg, I have no idea why it wants to load it |
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| 14:11.22 | wols | Marenz: yes it*s your fault. the AP doesn't give out DHCP leases. and yes you should use AP mode |
| 14:11.23 | asg | mateuszk: if the error you posted above is correct and not something you typed, it's looking for modulesdep and not modules.dep |
| 14:11.40 | mateuszk | modules.dep |
| 14:11.51 | drummer_wilson | asg: on mine says resume device = /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part10 ... |
| 14:12.22 | drummer_wilson | asg: should i change all that to my swap drive which is sda8?? |
| 14:12.40 | mateuszk | asg, before kinit modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 14:12.40 | asg | drummer_wilson: you can try it |
| 14:13.08 | drummer_wilson | asg: what do you mean :P |
| 14:13.09 | asg | mateuszk: well, Debian provided kernels are 2.6.18-X-YYY |
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| 14:13.30 | asg | mateuszk: /lib/modules/2.6.18/ is wrong |
| 14:13.31 | mateuszk | asg, On a linuxquestion forum I found that solution was using initramfs instead of initrd :) But damn I am already using iniramfs since a long time |
| 14:13.45 | danilom | how can i share a calendar in a debian server, for mozilla sunbird/lighting clients? |
| 14:13.50 | Marenz | wols AP mode.. is Managed ? i only now that this router got a dhcp running... i tried the same with Managed but got no DHCP offer again.. |
| 14:13.54 | wols | yes |
| 14:13.59 | asg | drummer_wilson: I mean try it. If it doesn't work, you'll just have to reboot normally. No big deal. |
| 14:14.03 | drummer_wilson | asg: how would i know if then it works or not? |
| 14:14.03 | mateuszk | asg, I am using custom kernel with make-kpkg --initrd --revision=0.1 |
| 14:14.06 | liable | sarge had swusp? |
| 14:14.16 | liable | thats a devfs naming |
| 14:14.24 | asg | drummer_wilson: it'll tell you that it's saving a snapshot and then on restore, that it's restoring from the snapshot |
| 14:14.28 | liable | etch doesnt still have devfs does it? |
| 14:15.23 | cookoo | gnome have to feel like the maytag people |
| 14:15.40 | Marenz | wols well as i said, i got no dhcp offer again.. i set now a ip my self, but i can't ping the router |
| 14:15.53 | liable | set the route |
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| 14:16.25 | Marenz | liable shouldn't i by able to ping the router even if i haven'T set the route before ? |
| 14:17.13 | mateuszk | asg, ? |
| 14:17.23 | wols | Marenz: if you are in the same subnet: yes |
| 14:17.43 | drummer_wilson | what's the command to check all my partitions? |
| 14:17.45 | wols | are you sure you're connected to the router? doesn't look like it |
| 14:17.50 | Marenz | i am connected to the same router with tis pc atm ( thet wlan one is an other) |
| 14:17.52 | wols | drummer_wilson: check in what way? |
| 14:18.05 | wols | Marenz: that doesn'tanswer my question |
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| 14:18.19 | Marenz | wols theres an Access Point set if i do iwconfig |
| 14:18.42 | wols | I can set accesspoints too. doesn't mean I'm associated with them |
| 14:18.51 | Marenz | i didn't set one.. |
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| 14:19.13 | Marenz | i only did what i already wrote here |
| 14:19.31 | Marenz | which was iwconfig ra0 mode Ad-Hoc essid <essid> key on ; iwconfig ra0 key <key> ; ifup ra0; |
| 14:19.49 | wols | most AP tell you what clients are connected if you ask them |
| 14:19.57 | Marenz | k |
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| 14:20.01 | wols | can you check ypur AP that way? |
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| 14:21.05 | Marenz | no :/ |
| 14:21.12 | VXWorks | apt-cache search xorg ---> nothing (no output) |
| 14:21.13 | VXWorks | why? |
| 14:21.26 | liable | you have sarge? |
| 14:21.31 | VXWorks | yes |
| 14:21.35 | liable | thats why |
| 14:21.43 | liable | no xorg in sarge |
| 14:21.43 | none | where i can find NCR5380.ko ? |
| 14:21.52 | sander_m | Hello. Anyone here that knows a bit about Xen? In installed Xen 3.0.3 on Etch. It went well but I could not start domU guests because there was no bridge. I added a xenbr0 entry to /etc/network/interfaces and that worked, but now I can access the internet from dom0. |
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| 14:21.58 | drummer_wilson | asg: i did resume device = /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8 instead of part 10... u think it should work now? |
| 14:22.04 | Marenz | hmm but i am connected to it or ? wols ? |
| 14:22.08 | VXWorks | liable, so, what should I do? |
| 14:22.09 | zamuro | !tell sander_m about anyone |
| 14:22.15 | Marenz | i mean.. i set the key |
| 14:22.22 | Marenz | an other ap should reject me |
| 14:22.34 | wols | VXWorks: use xfree86 instead |
| 14:22.34 | liable | VXWorks: sarge has xfree86 |
| 14:22.52 | liable | VXWorks: if you want x, install 'x-window-system-core' |
| 14:22.57 | asg | drummer_wilson: eith part8 or part7 (can't remember if the partitions are also numbered starting with '0' instead of '1') |
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| 14:23.06 | asg | *either |
| 14:23.09 | VXWorks | ok, thanks |
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| 14:23.30 | wols | sander_m: if you can access the internet, all is fine, no? |
| 14:23.42 | drummer_wilson | asg: anyways i did it .. how do i check if it really works?? |
| 14:23.50 | sander_m | wols: oops, typo. can't access the net |
| 14:24.02 | retard | if i install debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso and then do apt-get upgrade daily, will it be like if i have the latest debian-testing? :D |
| 14:24.03 | wols | by hibernating and resuming again |
| 14:24.13 | drummer_wilson | :) |
| 14:24.19 | sander_m | wols: but I can reach everything in the local network |
| 14:24.35 | wols | sander_m: you need to use something like ipmasq or any other way to route packets for your xen guest |
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| 14:25.34 | asg | drummer_wilson: type s2disk in a console/terminal |
| 14:25.45 | drummer_wilson | asg: any easy way of quick hibernation? |
| 14:25.47 | sander_m | wols: I haven't gotten round to the guests yet. I don't even have internet access from the host. Annoying since I need to install some extra software :-) |
| 14:25.50 | asg | drummer_wilson: type s2disk in a console/terminal |
| 14:26.46 | drummer_wilson | asg:could not start the resume device file.. |
| 14:26.49 | wols | sander_m: are your routes set properly? especially default gateway? |
| 14:26.55 | VXWorks | liable, should I install x-window-system or x-window-system-core? what are the difference? |
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| 14:27.10 | liable | VXWorks: -core should be enough |
| 14:27.10 | drummer_wilson | asg: is the screensaver a way of hibernate? |
| 14:27.12 | wols | retard: as long as you have testing in your sources.list:yes |
| 14:27.21 | retard | thanx |
| 14:27.21 | liable | VXWorks: just a matter of extra bloat |
| 14:27.23 | wols | drummer_wilson: no |
| 14:27.31 | liable | retard: nice nick :) |
| 14:27.31 | asg | drummer_wilson: er, no. Once hibernation is complete, your system should power off |
| 14:27.39 | VXWorks | liable, ok |
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| 14:27.52 | wols | asg: well, there is suspend to ram too. (if it works...) |
| 14:27.54 | drummer_wilson | asg: so i can try shutdown? |
| 14:27.59 | asg | drummer_wilson: wait |
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| 14:28.51 | asg | drummer_wilson: be damn sure that you are suspending to a swap partition; if you have the wrong device, the data on that wrong device will likely get wiped out. I don't know if uswsusp is intelligent enough to no write to non-swap. |
| 14:28.54 | sander_m | wols: I was about to tell you "I think so" and paste my /etc/network/interfaces into pastebin.com when I saw a typo. gatewat instead of gateway. I'll go see if that's the problem :-) |
| 14:29.10 | asg | wols: yeah, he was asking about suspend to disk though. |
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| 14:30.29 | drummer_wilson | asg: can i try shutdown and see if it works then? i'm sure its a swap i'm using.. a logic partition swap though.. |
| 14:30.40 | asg | drummer_wilson: then try it. |
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| 14:31.41 | asg | wols: the nice thing about a userland-only suspend to disk is that it can't do the resume until after init starts so the hardware has generally all been fully re-initialized after bios-post/kernel boot. It's been flawless here, while suspend to ram often has issues. |
| 14:31.41 | drummer_wilson | asg: it worked .. |
| 14:31.45 | asg | yay |
| 14:32.05 | drummer_wilson | asg: can it worked in other distros as well? |
| 14:32.10 | drummer_wilson | wrk* |
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| 14:32.15 | asg | drummer_wilson: probably, it should |
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| 14:32.49 | drummer_wilson | asg: dunno how to thank you.. how bout a kiss? |
| 14:32.50 | drummer_wilson | lol |
| 14:33.13 | asg | drummer_wilson: That's mrs. asg's department but you're welcome |
| 14:33.32 | drummer_wilson | :PP |
| 14:33.57 | Maerz | wols i only can see the connected dhcp clients.. and my wlan doe not show up |
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| 14:35.10 | sander_m | wols: Yep, it was the typo :-) Thanks anyway! |
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| 14:36.59 | wols | Maerz: then it seems you're not really connected (associated) with that AP at all |
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| 14:37.48 | Maerz | i just saw my wlan MAC in the routesr hdcp log |
| 14:37.53 | Maerz | @ wols |
| 14:38.05 | Maerz | but wlan still says no dhcp offer received |
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| 14:38.43 | VXWorks | how do I find out what my video card is? I've tryed lspci but it says Unknow device |
| 14:39.39 | retard | rtfm.. :D |
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| 14:41.52 | vy | Hi all! Which package brings the emacs documentations? (C-h i d m emacs RET just returns some FAQ and ERC related stuff.) |
| 14:42.00 | retard | i meant the manual that comes with yout system..it is easier imo.. :D |
| 14:42.05 | retard | no offense. |
| 14:43.27 | drummer_wilson | asg: how can i find what utility is my other distro using so i can do the same for it? |
| 14:43.50 | drummer_wilson | asg: i mean , what hibernation method utility |
| 14:43.56 | abrotman | VXWorks: update-pciids .. try again |
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| 14:44.39 | Tigger_ | hi |
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| 14:44.43 | abrotman | again ? |
| 14:44.58 | asg | drummer_wilson: it's the uswsusp package/utility |
| 14:45.35 | asg | drummer_wilson: or, it's using the kernel based swsusp or swsusp2 stuff. |
| 14:45.44 | drummer_wilson | asg: i did the same and went in the etc folder but no uswusp.conf :( |
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| 14:46.16 | asg | drummer_wilson: it's probably using another method. See if /boot/grub/menu.lst has a 'resume=...' entry in the kernel line |
| 14:46.16 | ekimus | hi, anyone has links on a low memory footprint imap+smtp server - i usually do work with cyrus+postfix but I have to do the setup on a vserver and it dies regularly because of too many open files and memory insufficiency |
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| 14:46.56 | none | is it possible to find a compiled NCR5380.ko for kernel 2.6.18 ? |
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| 14:47.16 | asg | ekimus: the lowest mem imap server is likely uw-imapd run from inetd. |
| 14:47.29 | abrotman | !find ncr5380.ko etch |
| 14:47.39 | none | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.41 | none | !find ncr5380.ko |
| 14:47.42 | jetscreamer | no |
| 14:47.44 | ekimus | asg, that's the answer i was afraid of :( |
| 14:47.50 | jetscreamer | dpkg can't find that |
| 14:47.53 | jetscreamer | apt-file |
| 14:47.55 | asg | ekimus: maybe the gnu imapd also (mailutils-imap4d) |
| 14:47.55 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ncr5380.ko' returned no results. |
| 14:48.07 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:48.08 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 14:48.16 | asg | ekimus: I've heard dovecot is rather light but I don't have any hard/fast data to support that. |
| 14:48.19 | jetscreamer | so is today daylight savings timeor what |
| 14:48.26 | asg | jetscreamer: yesor |
| 14:48.34 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 14:48.38 | drummer_wilson | asg: yes , it says resume=/dev/sda8 |
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| 14:48.53 | asg | drummer_wilson: then change that to point to whatever alternate swap device you wish to use |
| 14:49.21 | drummer_wilson | asg: yes, but will it use it only for hibernation or for virtual memory as well? |
| 14:49.39 | asg | drummer_wilson: can use it for both without issue |
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| 14:50.03 | drummer_wilson | asg: ok |
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| 14:57.35 | jetscreamer | son of mwilson!!! |
| 14:57.41 | jetscreamer | zomg! |
| 14:57.53 | asg | jetscreamer: he's in #OpenBSD sometimes |
| 14:58.02 | jetscreamer | in #bash also |
| 14:58.06 | jetscreamer | him & greycat |
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| 14:58.28 | xand | wow |
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| 14:58.43 | jetscreamer | they gave fieldy ops in ##linux |
| 14:58.54 | asg | haha |
| 14:59.01 | jetscreamer | zomg.... he already banned me for a few minutes |
| 14:59.18 | jetscreamer | he didn't like my language... |
| 14:59.19 | abrotman | now where's thomas ... |
| 14:59.36 | jjah | ugh ... i've got a user-space app that is causing a kernel segfault ... in some cases taking down the whole machine |
| 14:59.38 | xand | one of those tard channels like gentoo |
| 14:59.39 | asg | !seen thomas_adam |
| 14:59.40 | dpkg | thomas_adam <~n6tadam@gemini.starshine.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 17h 14m 42s ago, saying: 'Fill in the blanks yourself, much more interesting, Karsten.'. |
| 14:59.41 | xand | #gentoo. |
| 15:00.39 | Maerz | :O |
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| 15:00.52 | jetscreamer | getnoo (get new) |
| 15:00.52 | Maerz | my wlan still does not work :( |
| 15:01.29 | asg | Maerz: does it work if you use a static IP? Does it work if you turn of WEP/WPA? |
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| 15:01.47 | Maerz | i just tried static ip |
| 15:01.52 | Maerz | can't ping the router |
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| 15:02.06 | Maerz | and i got no admin access on the WEP stuff |
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| 15:02.38 | asg | Maerz: perhaps whoever manages the AP is blocking also based on MAC address |
| 15:03.06 | Maerz | no only WEP |
| 15:03.10 | Maerz | i saw the config |
| 15:03.19 | wols | they they use WEP they could well be stupid enough to do that :) |
| 15:03.31 | xand | wols: English please! |
| 15:03.37 | wols | ...says wols who filters for mac address too |
| 15:03.48 | Maerz | the use WEP and i got the key for that |
| 15:03.50 | wols | xand: MAC address filtering is about as useful as WEP |
| 15:03.56 | Maerz | *they |
| 15:04.06 | asg | wols: it prevents the quick drive-bys though |
| 15:04.07 | xand | I was commenting on your excessive use of "they". |
| 15:04.19 | wols | I'm a foruhner. I'm allowed |
| 15:04.31 | asg | either that or you st-stutter |
| 15:05.02 | Maerz | asg i should have all data i need.. the essid and the key and even the kind of encryption ( WEP 64 Bit HEX) |
| 15:05.22 | Maerz | i just want to connecte to that |
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| 15:07.01 | Tigger_ | you may need to change open/shared/both options at either end Maerz |
| 15:07.34 | asg | Maerz: indeed, it should just work. Did you specify an open key (i.e., from my /etc/network/interfaces ... wireless_key open <hexkey>) |
| 15:08.27 | Tigger_ | Maerz, sometime even fallback to 11b |
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| 15:08.57 | Tigger_ | hey Vanisher :) |
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| 15:09.25 | ma3x | how do I disable apache from starting on boot? |
| 15:09.52 | asg | ma3x: update-rc.d -f apache remove |
| 15:09.52 | streuner | ma3x: man update-rc.d |
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| 15:09.57 | Maerz | 11b? |
| 15:10.14 | jetscreamer | the jetscreamer way is to chmod -x /etc/init.d/apache ... that's not the #debian way though |
| 15:10.15 | ma3x | can't I edit some file somewhere? |
| 15:10.24 | jetscreamer | they want you to uninstall iirc... :p |
| 15:10.30 | asg | ma3x: put exit 0 at the top of the init.d script |
| 15:10.33 | Maerz | hm wait.. hex key? i specified that number that i got asg |
| 15:10.44 | ma3x | asg: wheres the init.d script? |
| 15:10.47 | bzed | ma3x: update-rc.d is the best way imho |
| 15:10.48 | asg | ma3x: in /etc/init.d |
| 15:10.49 | wols | Maerz: there is a symlink in /etc/rc2.d/ for apache |
| 15:10.50 | jetscreamer | DUH |
| 15:10.53 | wols | delete it and it won't start |
| 15:11.06 | wols | the debian way is to use update-rc.d. never figured out how this works |
| 15:11.09 | jetscreamer | unless of course you start up in runlevel 3 or > |
| 15:11.11 | asg | Maerz: which number? |
| 15:11.15 | streuner | you don't want delete init.d scripts :-) |
| 15:11.20 | Maerz | 3213213213 |
| 15:11.21 | bzed | jetscreamer: go to #ubuntu please :| |
| 15:11.21 | Tigger_ | Maerz, 802.11b |
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| 15:11.24 | ma3x | asg: what's the scriptname ? |
| 15:11.33 | asg | ma3x: come on, don't be thick |
| 15:11.36 | Maerz | Tigger_ where can i change tha t? |
| 15:11.37 | jetscreamer | updaterc removes the symlink in /etc/rc.2 |
| 15:11.54 | wols | ma3x: do not delete the script in init.d |
| 15:11.55 | streuner | no |
| 15:11.58 | Tigger_ | Maerz, on the router |
| 15:12.02 | ma3x | wols i did not |
| 15:12.06 | asg | Maerz: that's likely a passphrase/password derived from the hex key. I usually just use the full 32 character hex key |
| 15:12.13 | Tigger_ | but 1st get it working with no encrytion |
| 15:12.22 | Maerz | asg on the router you could enter these keys |
| 15:12.23 | ma3x | asg: /etc/init.d/ does not have init.d script |
| 15:12.24 | Tigger_ | Maerz, |
| 15:12.30 | Maerz | the admin entered one for me |
| 15:12.31 | wols | Tigger_: he can't. he says he has no access to the WEP part of the AP |
| 15:12.41 | jetscreamer | ma3x: nothing named apache either eh |
| 15:12.41 | streuner | ma3x: bullshit |
| 15:12.48 | wols | ma3x: then you don't have a debian apache installed |
| 15:12.50 | Tigger_ | arh ok wols |
| 15:12.55 | ma3x | oh I see |
| 15:12.58 | jetscreamer | read what he said |
| 15:13.03 | asg | ma3x: then it isn't being started by default, unless you twiddled inetd to start it which is silly. |
| 15:13.05 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/ does not have init.d script |
| 15:13.05 | ma3x | I thought apache was executable only |
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| 15:13.15 | enouf | wtf? |
| 15:13.25 | ma3x | enouf: dont slam! |
| 15:13.34 | streuner | enough! ;-) |
| 15:13.34 | Maerz | why does it DHCPDISCOVER but no DHCPOFFER ? |
| 15:13.35 | Tigger_ | well it may not always work without access to router settings |
| 15:13.42 | enouf | !bang ma3x |
| 15:13.50 | Maerz | i mean it seams that it can connect to it ? |
| 15:13.50 | streuner | Maerz: dhcp server doesn't work? |
| 15:14.01 | ma3x | !spank enouf |
| 15:14.06 | jetscreamer | i bet a possibility for Maerz is the allow-hotplug eth0 vs auto eth0 |
| 15:14.07 | wols | Maerz: cause the discovering is done by your client |
| 15:14.16 | enouf | !penixstrike ma3x |
| 15:14.17 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ma3x to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:14.22 | wols | which tries to. while the offer is from the server/router which doesn't |
| 15:14.25 | xingu | asg: interesting and yet strangely obvious, I hadn't realised you could use open/restricted parms on the wireless_key line; that removes the last piece of ... up iwconfig ... cruft for me |
| 15:14.28 | xingu | !beer asg |
| 15:14.36 | asg | xingu: :) |
| 15:14.48 | asg | xingu: I've already had 2 |
| 15:14.50 | Maerz | so its not the clients fault ? but the dhcp server says inthe log that he assigned my MAC to an IP |
| 15:15.05 | Maerz | streuner nah its more a WLAN problem |
| 15:15.05 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
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| 15:15.37 | streuner | Maerz: ic |
| 15:15.39 | wols | Maerz: there isn't any stupid iptables script running or such? |
| 15:15.40 | ma3x | asg: you could have just told me to edit /etc/default/apache |
| 15:15.59 | Maerz | na iptables -L is empty |
| 15:16.04 | enouf | ma3x: little assignment for ya, /msg dpkg {sysv-rc | rcconf | runlevels | services} |
| 15:16.15 | Maerz | i can ask the admin to change things, but i only want to do that if nothing else works |
| 15:16.21 | Tigger_ | indeed it could be Maerz , i have setup many wireless points and sometimes some AP are shared by default |
| 15:16.23 | Maerz | and i would need to know what to change ^^ |
| 15:16.38 | MFox | ma3x: have a q. where do u from ? |
| 15:16.39 | asg | ma3x: I could have but it isn't a standard that all packages follow |
| 15:16.45 | jetscreamer | change to tkip |
| 15:17.25 | Tigger_ | and my need changing to open |
| 15:17.35 | Tigger_ | *may |
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| 15:17.59 | Maerz | Tigger_ what/where is that open/shared thing ? |
| 15:18.24 | ma3x | MFox: australia |
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| 15:18.59 | MFox | Hmm.. ok i asked that cuz i have a friend and his nick is ma3x :-P |
| 15:18.59 | Maerz | it may help you to know that an winXP mashine can connect successfully to that wlan |
| 15:19.01 | Tigger_ | well there should be a setting on the Access Point but i think it can be changed on the client too |
| 15:19.04 | xingu | Maerz: controls whether or not the association request frame itself is encrypted |
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| 15:19.29 | ma3x | MFox: where's your friend from? |
| 15:19.39 | MFox | Iran :D |
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| 15:19.43 | Tigger_ | Maerz, are you using sarge or etch ? |
| 15:19.50 | Maerz | etch |
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| 15:21.15 | Tigger_ | ok i've not etch installed right now but i'll reboot in sarge and look ok |
| 15:21.28 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom |
| 15:21.45 | Maerz | ok |
| 15:21.45 | Tigger_ | sometimes even on XP you have manual setup connections to wire AP's |
| 15:21.46 | Maerz | ty |
| 15:22.08 | Tigger_ | np bbs |
| 15:22.18 | Maerz | i saw how he connected to the ap.. i just choosed the network entered s.th. (i think the key) and applied |
| 15:22.22 | Maerz | -i +he |
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| 15:23.32 | noname__ | hi all..i'm a debian newbie i have some problem with debian etchy on a thinkapd r52.after last dist-upgrade ,charge status of my battery is no more recognized by the system..maybe something related with acpi. can anyone give me some help? |
| 15:23.43 | asg | etchy? |
| 15:24.10 | asg | noname__: what got updated on your last upgrade? |
| 15:24.24 | abrotman | edgy or etch ? |
| 15:24.28 | noname__ | etchy |
| 15:24.35 | pngwn | heh |
| 15:24.36 | noname__ | i don't remember exactly |
| 15:24.44 | noname__ | etch |
| 15:24.49 | retard | will it take more than 2 month to release etch? |
| 15:24.56 | asg | noname__: what does /usr/bin/acpi print? |
| 15:25.06 | asg | retard: hopefully not, but you never know |
| 15:25.07 | zamuro | Do I need to configure anything into my lastfm profile to be able to use xmms-scrobbling? |
| 15:25.17 | noname__ | no support for device type: battery |
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| 15:25.27 | asg | noname__: /sbin/modprobe battery |
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| 15:25.33 | asg | noname__: run it as root |
| 15:25.42 | stevepastelan | hay is 2.6 kernel ready to use? |
| 15:25.50 | asg | stevepastelan: been using it for years |
| 15:26.02 | noname__ | asg: thanks :) |
| 15:26.05 | stevepastelan | will it work with debian stable? |
| 15:26.09 | JarJarBinks|uni | !marillat |
| 15:26.10 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. Marillat's old place (ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat) is no more - he moved to http://debian-multimedia.org - update your sources.list! |
| 15:26.11 | asg | stevepastelan: yes, 2.6.8 will |
| 15:26.17 | wols | debian stable comes with a 2.6 kernel |
| 15:26.28 | stevepastelan | wols: my debian stable came with a 2.4 kernel |
| 15:26.33 | stevepastelan | I installed maybe a week ago |
| 15:26.42 | asg | stevepastelan: you didn't install with the 'kernel26' boot option |
| 15:26.43 | stevepastelan | from the only image downloadable from debian.org ;p |
| 15:26.46 | wols | stevepastelan: this I don't believe you. If you had read the docs, you had a 2.6.8 kernel right now |
| 15:26.47 | JarJarBinks|uni | typing linux26 on the stable bootdisk |
| 15:26.54 | asg | er, linux26 |
| 15:26.54 | wols | well you have one, just not installed |
| 15:27.00 | stevepastelan | oh. |
| 15:27.21 | stevepastelan | how do I install it? |
| 15:27.42 | asg | stevepastelan: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install the right one for your arch from the list provided) |
| 15:27.44 | pngwn | stevepastelan, this stuff comes with documentation |
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| 15:27.56 | JarJarBinks|uni | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 15:28.00 | jetscreamer | s/would/would_have/had/ |
| 15:28.07 | asg | JarJarBinks|uni: he's running sarge |
| 15:28.09 | pngwn | stevepastelan, hit the install manual and the reference at debian.org/doc |
| 15:28.09 | jetscreamer | not in sarge JarJarBinks|uni |
| 15:28.14 | Crypticfortune_ | question: what's the VmHWM in /proc/123/status? where's this stuff documented? |
| 15:28.14 | jetscreamer | kernel-image |
| 15:28.19 | wols | pngwn: it's sunday and documentaion is hard to read |
| 15:28.41 | pngwn | wols, that's te problem ;p |
| 15:28.41 | stevepastelan | oh |
| 15:28.50 | stevepastelan | I was looking for docs in /usr/share/doc :$ |
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| 15:28.56 | Tigger_ | hi |
| 15:29.05 | asg | wols: it's worse, Sunday indicates a general lack of reading skills |
| 15:29.09 | Maerz | wb |
| 15:29.10 | stevepastelan | only saw 2.4 stuff there ;\ |
| 15:29.17 | stevepastelan | ty pngwn |
| 15:29.18 | xingu | Crypticfortune_: proc(5) |
| 15:29.21 | Tigger_ | thx :) |
| 15:29.25 | wols | !tell stevepastelan about grounding |
| 15:29.32 | pngwn | stevepastelan, my pleasure :) |
| 15:29.42 | Maerz | Tigger_ to the xp thing: i saw how he connected to the ap.. he just choosed the network entered s.th. (i think the key) and applied |
| 15:29.45 | Tigger_ | ok are using wirelesstools |
| 15:29.49 | Crypticfortune_ | xingu: thanks! |
| 15:29.59 | asg | xingu: one of the most useful manpages that is almost always forgotten |
| 15:30.00 | Maerz | Tigger_ i s |
| 15:30.04 | Maerz | * |
| 15:30.08 | Maerz | is that a package ? |
| 15:30.19 | xingu | asg: sometimes, it's even up to date. :) |
| 15:30.34 | Tigger_ | yes but it's sucsesful with all chipsets |
| 15:30.44 | Maerz | not sure.. |
| 15:30.45 | Tigger_ | what chipset have you got ? |
| 15:30.51 | Maerz | rt61 |
| 15:30.54 | asg | xingu: heh, true. Seems pretty good in etch these days. |
| 15:30.55 | Tigger_ | ok |
| 15:31.14 | Maerz | i compiled and installed the driver from serialmonkey |
| 15:31.17 | Maerz | the daily CSV |
| 15:31.31 | Tigger_ | ok |
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| 15:32.00 | Maerz | kismet e.g. shows me the network i want to connect to.. |
| 15:32.08 | Tigger_ | you said you are connecting but not getting dhcp ip yes |
| 15:32.11 | Tigger_ | ? |
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| 15:32.22 | Maerz | not sure, but it seems so for me.. |
| 15:32.33 | Tigger_ | ok |
| 15:32.39 | jetscreamer | Maerz: i know nothing. grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:32.48 | jetscreamer | gah nm igonre me |
| 15:32.49 | Tigger_ | you can tell with ifconfig |
| 15:32.59 | Maerz | the dhcpserver log says my MAC was assigned an IP and my pc says it got now DHCPOFFER |
| 15:33.12 | Tigger_ | ok |
| 15:33.16 | Maerz | jetscreamer my wlan cardsda name is ra0 |
| 15:33.16 | jetscreamer | grep allow-hotplug |
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| 15:33.31 | asg | Maerz: for shits and giggles, try putting the interface in promiscuous mode (ifconfig <if> promisc) and see if you get offers. |
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| 15:34.06 | Tigger_ | yes it sounds like a wep issue |
| 15:34.31 | jetscreamer | if allow-hotplug is in there see if changing it to auto helps |
| 15:34.39 | jetscreamer | or something |
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| 15:35.12 | oramirez | Hi, does someone has a problema at installing mysql-server-5.0? |
| 15:35.18 | Maerz | <- |
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| 15:35.33 | biz | in the default apache2 installation in sarge, what are the default permissions for the /var/log/apache/access.log and error.log? is it root:adm 640? |
| 15:35.37 | Maerz | i just upgrade my mysql and it won't start, but i can'T care for that atm |
| 15:35.45 | Maerz | @ oramirez |
| 15:36.35 | xingu | Maerz: how many network interfaces does this host have? are you by any chance also connected using a lan interface back to the same network? |
| 15:36.39 | wols | !tell oramirez about smart questions |
| 15:36.43 | Maerz | hmm that promisc does not work |
| 15:37.05 | Maerz | xingu the host got 2, eth0 and ra0 , lan and wlan |
| 15:37.11 | Tigger_ | shalom omry |
| 15:37.18 | Maerz | am not connected with lan |
| 15:37.23 | Maerz | *i |
| 15:37.52 | stevepastelan | Hello again! I see a whole bunch of kernel-image-2.6* packages in apt-cache and some of them are amd64. Does that mean they're optimised for amd64, or does that mean they're actually 64bit? If I have an athlon64, should I get the amd64 kernel? |
| 15:38.18 | xingu | Maerz: if the dhcp server is offering to you, you must be associated; does "iwconfig ra0" agree with this in so far as the access point field is not all 0's ? |
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| 15:38.45 | Maerz | the AP field shows a MAC |
| 15:38.56 | xingu | Maerz: and does ifconfig ra0 show RUNNING flag? |
| 15:39.15 | Maerz | ye |
| 15:39.15 | Maerz | s |
| 15:39.21 | xingu | right, so he's associated |
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| 15:39.38 | xingu | Maerz: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces is probably the next step. |
| 15:39.59 | Maerz | uh.. i have no internet on thath host (thats why i do that ) |
| 15:40.14 | Maerz | but that are only 3 lines regarding to ra0 |
| 15:40.32 | oramirez | I just upgraded mysql-server, when it tries to run... it tells me failed! and the packages won't install. Seems to have some dependency problems... but I can't find out. |
| 15:40.34 | xingu | Maerz: iface ra0 inet ... <-- what's the elipses? |
| 15:40.45 | Maerz | dhcp |
| 15:41.06 | loser | i have a sony tx laptop. i booted with ubuntu latest and did lspci, it didnt list my bluetooth device. so debian/debian-based distros aren't good for me? |
| 15:41.09 | xingu | Maerz: and do you have any "auto .." or "allow-hotplug ..." lines? |
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| 15:41.36 | Maerz | auto lo and allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 15:41.46 | Maerz | and auto eth0 |
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| 15:42.39 | xingu | Maerz: my next suggestion would be to manually configure the IP address that you've been OFFERed |
| 15:42.48 | Tigger_ | brb |
| 15:42.50 | RobotJox | Hi - anyone here subscribing to O'Reilly Safari Library? |
| 15:43.02 | oramirez | It is exactly this problema: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/4011 |
| 15:43.15 | abrotman | RobotJox: OT? |
| 15:43.22 | RobotJox | yeah, sorry |
| 15:43.24 | Maerz | xingu so ifconfig ra0 192.168.2.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 ? |
| 15:43.40 | abrotman | oramirez: i think there's a fix in the BTS |
| 15:43.43 | xingu | Maerz: yes |
| 15:43.53 | xingu | Maerz: then see if you can ping the accesspoint. |
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| 15:44.20 | Maerz | can't |
| 15:44.38 | Maerz | From 192.168.2.5: Destination Host Unreachable |
| 15:44.39 | xingu | Maerz: does the interface have the UP flag in ifconfig ra0 ? |
| 15:44.53 | Maerz | yes |
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| 15:45.07 | Maerz | and PROMISC is also on |
| 15:45.13 | xingu | Maerz: this sounds like your driver is broken; that error means that the stack is initialised and up but arp is failing. |
| 15:45.24 | Maerz | damn |
| 15:45.31 | bjk | can aptitude keep broken packages and still upgrade existing ones? Is there a setting somewhere? I need to keep a broken package installed (hold, keep doesn't work). |
| 15:45.33 | oramirez | abrotman, I will check for that, thanks. |
| 15:45.54 | xingu | Maerz: does the system have tcpdump? can you tcpdump ra0 ? |
| 15:46.06 | xingu | Maerz: as in tcpdump -nvvi ra0 |
| 15:46.14 | xingu | Maerz: then try your ping again in another vty/window. |
| 15:46.22 | Maerz | na no tdcdump |
| 15:46.37 | Maerz | but i could compile the driver in debug mode |
| 15:46.54 | xingu | Maerz: possibly; if you look in /proc/interrupts, is an interrupt assigned to ra0, and is it incrementing? |
| 15:47.26 | Jeff32 | who is good with webmin |
| 15:47.29 | xingu | Maerz: could also be rt61 |
| 15:47.31 | xingu | !webmin |
| 15:47.32 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 15:47.34 | jetscreamer | it is acting exactly like the allow-hotplug bug |
| 15:47.44 | Maerz | theres one yes |
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| 15:47.58 | xingu | jetscreamer: even allowing for the fact that it's failing using static address configuration? |
| 15:48.04 | jetscreamer | o |
| 15:48.04 | Maerz | and it is incrementing |
| 15:48.19 | Jeff32 | how can i edit webmin so that it sends a dif command line when runign what ever command its runing i using a pure-ftpd addon for webmin and i want to edit the pure-pw command |
| 15:48.26 | Jeff32 | it runs can some one point me at the files i need to edit |
| 15:48.27 | Jeff32 | for this |
| 15:48.48 | xingu | Maerz: ok well there's only two conclusions I can think of here; the driver is busted or the accesspoint is filtering your traffic at the datalink layer (ignoring traffic source your MAC) |
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| 15:49.08 | xingu | Maerz: is your MAC address the same in linux and in your (working) XP config? |
| 15:49.11 | Maerz | i know for surethat there is no MAX filter |
| 15:49.17 | Maerz | *MAC |
| 15:49.34 | Maerz | i got no XP, it was the one who got admin access that got the xp |
| 15:49.36 | JordiGH | Heh, Debian must be the only OS where newer versions run faster on my machine. :-) |
| 15:50.02 | jetscreamer | i've seen wireless not even work with a static even though it did work.... but different os |
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| 15:52.19 | xingu | Maerz: is it possible that the admin is enforcing 802.1x access in addition to wep key? |
| 15:52.28 | xingu | Maerz: that might explain the symptom-set |
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| 15:53.11 | Maerz | i need to check for that |
| 15:53.27 | xingu | Maerz: try xsupplicant package; I've never used it, I can't help you with that. |
| 15:53.46 | Maerz | k |
| 15:53.57 | xingu | Maerz: that would to a certain extent explain a network that let you associate and pass a dhcprequest to the server while going deaf dumb and stupid to all other traffic classes. |
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| 15:54.32 | xingu | from memory the XP wireless stuff support 802.1x natively |
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| 15:55.35 | ma3x | how can I block ping requests |
| 15:55.41 | markybob | block icmp |
| 15:55.42 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 15:55.42 | dpkg | methinks iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
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| 15:56.31 | ma3x | can I somehow block it on the router/modem? |
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| 15:56.48 | ma3x | because even if I block it on my pc and the pc's shutdown, the router still responds |
| 15:57.03 | ma3x | erm, router has iptables |
| 15:57.50 | jetscreamer | routers can do that |
| 15:57.57 | jetscreamer | all i know though, they can |
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| 15:58.30 | ma3x | ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere icmp echo-request |
| 15:58.32 | ma3x | it has this rule |
| 15:58.35 | ma3x | should I delete it? |
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| 15:59.36 | terr_ | I've got a Firefox printing problem... says cannot print while in print preview. I'm not in print preview. Any ideas how to clear this bogus msg? |
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| 16:00.46 | abrotman | ma3x: ask #iptables |
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| 16:01.02 | ma3x | ok |
| 16:01.24 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about iptables |
| 16:01.45 | piper69 | good morning all |
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| 16:04.26 | Maerz | xingu what if the router does enforce 802.1x ? what can i do theN ? |
| 16:04.51 | xingu | Maerz: you'd need a supplicant like xsupplicant |
| 16:05.06 | Maerz | i got xsupplicant now |
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| 16:05.16 | Maerz | i linked the mashine with this host |
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| 16:07.17 | terr_ | I've got a Firefox printing problem... says cannot print while in print preview. I'm not in print preview. Any ideas how to clear this bogus msg? |
| 16:07.48 | Toman- | Hi. Anyone proficient wtih localization-config? I believe it has a bug regarding Opera as it only caters for Opera 6, and will probably induce bugs in other versions. Not 100% sure how localization-config actually goes about files such as /usr/lib/localization-config/sarge/opera |
| 16:07.49 | terr_ | I can't print any webpages at all. |
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| 16:08.30 | abchirk | ?non-free |
| 16:08.35 | abchirk | ? non-free |
| 16:08.59 | abchirk | !tell abchirk non-free |
| 16:09.05 | abrotman | !tell abchirk about non-free |
| 16:09.12 | abrotman | abchirk: you'd think you'd have figured that out by now :) |
| 16:09.23 | abchirk | hehe thx abchirk :) |
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| 16:09.29 | abchirk | !beer abrotman :) |
| 16:09.34 | abrotman | no problem abrotman |
| 16:09.56 | abchirk | ack :D |
| 16:10.39 | jetscreamer | i thought it said abchick |
| 16:10.52 | jetscreamer | abman, abchick |
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| 16:11.16 | ma3x | I just ran aptitude and it wants to remove libnss3-0d because it is no longer used. Should I remove it? |
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| 16:13.43 | bwlang | are there any alternatives to fetchmail? |
| 16:13.58 | abrotman | ma3x: think about that |
| 16:14.30 | jetscreamer | oh hell no ma3x it's not used of course you should keep it zomg |
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| 16:14.37 | abrotman | bwlang: apt-cache search fetchmail |
| 16:15.12 | ma3x | so why the hell does it want to remove it? |
| 16:15.20 | abrotman | !cluebat ma3x |
| 16:15.21 | bwlang | whoa... the all mention fetchmail! thanks. |
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| 16:15.38 | ma3x | abrotman: ? |
| 16:15.58 | ma3x | ZOMG is also leet variation of the same expression |
| 16:16.06 | ma3x | so what exactly is that? |
| 16:16.12 | ma3x | zeus oh my god? |
| 16:16.20 | abrotman | piper69: please don't do that |
| 16:16.40 | ma3x | do what? |
| 16:16.54 | piper69 | abrotman: i just don't know what to do anymore |
| 16:16.54 | abrotman | piper69: ask in here |
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| 16:17.09 | abrotman | piper69: did you install the hostap stuff? |
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| 16:17.40 | ma3x | abrotman: it wants to remove it because its not used. so why do I need it then? |
| 16:17.43 | piper69 | abrotman: yes |
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| 16:17.47 | jetscreamer | AHA! |
| 16:17.52 | jetscreamer | ZOMFG!!! |
| 16:17.54 | ma3x | what jetscreamer ? |
| 16:17.59 | abrotman | !cluebat ma3x |
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| 16:18.07 | ma3x | stop with the cluebats |
| 16:18.10 | ma3x | you annoy me :p |
| 16:18.16 | abrotman | ditto |
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| 16:18.21 | abrotman | piper69: and then what ? |
| 16:18.39 | jetscreamer | zoe/oh |
| 16:18.45 | ma3x | abrotman: you gonna explain me or not |
| 16:18.57 | piper69 | abrotman: nothing i still can't get internet thru that card |
| 16:19.00 | abrotman | ma3x: use some common sense |
| 16:19.05 | jetscreamer | abrotman: define ma3x in 500 words or less |
| 16:19.15 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i can't .. i'd get banned |
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| 16:19.39 | jetscreamer | s'plain him!!! |
| 16:19.42 | abrotman | piper69: does it try to get a dhcp address ? |
| 16:19.48 | mne | hi there. I want to mount a ftp-host and found out that this can be done with LUFS. so i installed the kernel module and the userspace utils and it just worked. the problem is that I cannot unmount the filesystem anymore, I get the error "can't get /etc/mtab~ lock" |
| 16:20.02 | jetscreamer | ma3x: do the fix-unmet factoid |
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| 16:20.10 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg fix-unmet |
| 16:20.12 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
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| 16:20.23 | jelly-home | hmm... is it Never Ending Story or Neverending Story? |
| 16:20.32 | jetscreamer | never ending |
| 16:20.48 | jetscreamer | you MUST pause between words |
| 16:20.50 | abrotman | NeverEnding .. i think |
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| 16:21.15 | byteshack | how can I discover where a module lives in menuconfig? I'm looking for the e100 one, and can't seem to find it. I'm more interested on how to find them, than in knowing where the e100 is... |
| 16:21.18 | jetscreamer | this is the story that never ends |
| 16:21.26 | abrotman | i get a prize! http://imdb.com/title/tt0088323/ |
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| 16:21.56 | jetscreamer | byteshack: i go through it line by line, over and over, finally getting a general sense or where they all are |
| 16:22.00 | jetscreamer | seriously. |
| 16:22.01 | piper69 | abrotman: i can't see it in ifconfig or iwconfig now |
| 16:22.01 | abrotman | byteshack: should be in with the other network devices |
| 16:22.05 | jetscreamer | trial and error afaik |
| 16:22.26 | abrotman | piper69: did you blacklist the orinico sutff ? |
| 16:22.50 | jelly-home | abrotman: I always found funny that the author's name is Michael Ende ;-) |
| 16:22.52 | jetscreamer | net section, 2nd of 3 in a tree, under the 10/100 ones i think... i forget |
| 16:22.59 | abrotman | jelly-home: why ? |
| 16:23.04 | xingu | 10/100 base network devices |
| 16:23.10 | byteshack | I know the general location of it, but it bites me every time. Can't seem to find things in there very easily, and was wondering if there is any file that I can grep, or something like that, for that data |
| 16:23.11 | abrotman | i get bonus points for knowing it was NeverEnding! |
| 16:23.21 | xingu | byteshack: make gconfig has a handy dandy search feature. |
| 16:23.25 | jetscreamer | i mean under that tree section i think... but like i said, i forget |
| 16:23.26 | jelly-home | abrotman: well, Ende wrote the NeverEnding story! |
| 16:23.29 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:23.31 | jetscreamer | in the second section |
| 16:23.47 | xingu | byteshack: or you could just do what I do and memorise them |
| 16:23.50 | piper69 | abrotman: yes once i installed the hostap i think it uninstall or disable orinoco stuff by it self because i couldn't find it |
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| 16:24.10 | jetscreamer | gconfig kinda sucked the one time i tried it a year or two ago... is it any less bloated? |
| 16:24.10 | abrotman | piper69: and what else did the guy in #wireless tell you ? |
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| 16:24.39 | piper69 | abrotman: none |
| 16:24.45 | abrotman | yes he did |
| 16:24.49 | byteshack | xingu: I would if I had enough hdd... seems I was brought into the planet with either a defective one, or a very small one. I try to compensate with my CPU ;) |
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| 16:25.09 | abrotman | piper69: he told you to install another driver .. which was it ? |
| 16:25.13 | jetscreamer | dickbrain! |
| 16:25.26 | jetscreamer | (that was humor) |
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| 16:25.39 | piper69 | abrotman: rtl8180 but i don't know why |
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| 16:26.12 | jetscreamer | don't get out of that chair til you fix it |
| 16:26.23 | byteshack | I guess to flip through options again I go... |
| 16:26.42 | jetscreamer | byteshack: grep the config |
| 16:27.15 | jetscreamer | no not grep |
| 16:27.23 | abrotman | piper69: neither do i .. |
| 16:27.38 | byteshack | less the conf :) |
| 16:28.05 | piper69 | !paster |
| 16:28.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:28.08 | jetscreamer | the sections names are in there... or so. |
| 16:28.16 | byteshack | funny, I tried a little experiment just for the fun of it. Don't kill me : |
| 16:28.51 | abrotman | piper69: the wireless faq says it's prism |
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| 16:29.00 | byteshack | I posted very similar question to #gentoo, #debian, #linux to see what kind of ppl I find in each |
| 16:29.09 | byteshack | you guys rule :) |
| 16:29.31 | byteshack | even with the d*ckhead comment ;) |
| 16:29.32 | abrotman | byteshack: you could always write the conf .. then change it manually before the build |
| 16:29.53 | piper69 | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5679. |
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| 16:30.05 | jetscreamer | the dickbrain comment was at the hdd/cpu comment |
| 16:30.22 | abrotman | piper69: and grep wlan ? |
| 16:30.50 | piper69 | abrotman: none is there now |
| 16:31.02 | jetscreamer | but seriously: i just go through each and every single one in menuconfig |
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| 16:31.17 | jetscreamer | i do the same in dselect.. or did, no need to anymore. |
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| 16:31.35 | abrotman | piper69: modprobe orinoco_cs |
| 16:31.35 | jetscreamer | i don't compile my own kernels anymore either |
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| 16:31.41 | jetscreamer | boring |
| 16:31.50 | jetscreamer | and for what |
| 16:32.08 | jetscreamer | unless you need a diff module |
| 16:32.42 | xingu | it's one of the best ways to keep up with the state of the art is what. |
| 16:32.43 | Eulex | or patches |
| 16:32.46 | jetscreamer | (or setting yeah yeah) ciao |
| 16:32.50 | jetscreamer | or patches |
| 16:32.51 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 16:33.47 | mne | hi, I want to backup to a dedicated backup FTP server. I was thinking of using LUFS to mount the ftpserver and then using something like dirvish to do the backups. unfortunately LUFS has some glitches. do you have any suggestions ? is there a better way to backup to a ftp-server ? |
| 16:34.01 | xand | ftp sucks |
| 16:34.03 | xingu | !ftp |
| 16:34.04 | dpkg | ftp is, like, (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 16:34.38 | xingu | !ftp must die |
| 16:34.39 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 16:35.02 | mne | yeah, right, ftp sucks. but my dedicated server provider offers no other backup possibility. |
| 16:35.12 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 16:35.32 | piper69 | abrotman: modprobe orinoco_cs return nothing, but lsmod listed orinoco_CS and orinoco |
| 16:35.37 | Maerz | xingu i just saw that there is a module called 80211 |
| 16:35.40 | abrotman | and now ifconfig -a ? |
| 16:36.01 | xingu | mne: layer 8 problem needs layer 8 solution |
| 16:36.26 | mne | xingu, there is no layer8, layer7 is already application layer :P |
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| 16:36.41 | jelly-home | the NeverEnding spelling was a plot to impose German grammar and CamelStyle! |
| 16:36.45 | xingu | mne: http://www.flora.ca/osw2004/osw2004.html |
| 16:37.04 | mne | xingu, lol, ok |
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| 16:37.13 | xand | xingu: haha |
| 16:37.19 | piper69 | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5680 |
| 16:37.27 | jetscreamer | i don't want one, but is there such a thing as a windows based irc server that gets used? |
| 16:37.39 | jetscreamer | just is there, not what is it |
| 16:37.45 | Maerz | xingu my card is a 802.11g |
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| 16:37.57 | abrotman | piper69: iwconfig ? |
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| 16:38.13 | piper69 | abrotman: none |
| 16:38.16 | torrr | hi |
| 16:38.21 | abrotman | so what is eth0 and eth1 ? |
| 16:38.26 | piper69 | abrotman: you want to ssh |
| 16:38.34 | abrotman | nope |
| 16:38.41 | xand | abrotman: don't you know about linux network interface naming? |
| 16:38.43 | torrr | I am tring to setup proftpd virtual users with ftpasswd. Anyone knows about it? |
| 16:38.53 | xand | !ftp |
| 16:38.54 | dpkg | somebody said ftp was (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 16:39.01 | abrotman | !shell access |
| 16:39.02 | dpkg | DON'T be a moron. Offering shell access to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will I be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access. |
| 16:39.03 | jelly-home | xingu: layer8 is wetware? |
| 16:39.08 | abrotman | xand: what about it ? |
| 16:39.17 | abrotman | xand: my wifi is eth1 |
| 16:39.20 | xingu | jelly: fiscal |
| 16:39.31 | xingu | jelly: 9 is political |
| 16:39.46 | DocPlatypus | !spork |
| 16:39.47 | dpkg | spork is, like, an amazing utensil, because it's totally useless as a fork, and totally useless as a spoon, yet everyone has used one before |
| 16:39.54 | torrr | I need to give ftpasswd a gid and uid, and I don't know which gid uid to give |
| 16:39.58 | DocPlatypus | LOL |
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| 16:40.02 | jelly-home | xingu: ah, I see. Both are implemented in wetware though |
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| 16:41.11 | paddor | i want my ext3-usb-hdd to be mountet by uuid (or label) during boot. but, i think because of it is usb, the system doesnt know such uuid/label at this time. what to do? |
| 16:42.10 | Maerz | xingu what does it mean for my problem that my card is a 802.11g ? |
| 16:42.32 | xingu | Maerz: I doubt it's of any relevance whatsoever |
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| 16:43.15 | S_p_O_w_N | Bienvenue sur le salon de location de bnc & eggdrop & WebRadio & Teamspeak & Shell Web & Bientot Serveur CS Site Web www.Reseau-bronx.com salon #X`bnc |
| 16:43.21 | Maerz | hmm i thought the problem could be caused by the enforcment of 802.1x ? |
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| 16:43.46 | ma3x | abrotman: how can you encrypt ftp use? |
| 16:43.48 | xingu | paddor: have a look at /dev/disk |
| 16:43.50 | Jeff32 | hey guys wants a good news downloader for usenet |
| 16:43.52 | abrotman | ma3x: you can't |
| 16:43.57 | abrotman | S_p_O_w_N: stop spamming |
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| 16:44.16 | ma3x | so why does it say There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged |
| 16:44.18 | xingu | paddor: have a look at /dev/disk/ and tell us what you see |
| 16:44.24 | abrotman | sftp |
| 16:44.48 | DocPlatypus | which technically isn't ftp, but a variant of scp if I understand it right |
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| 16:45.22 | paddor | xingu: 4 dirs. by-{id,label,path,uuid} |
| 16:45.28 | Trewas | there's also ftps (ftp over ssl), but it doesn't seem to have very good support in both clients and servers |
| 16:45.45 | xingu | paddor: now what do you think will happen if you use one of those device paths in fstab? |
| 16:45.53 | piper | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5681 |
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| 16:46.16 | abrotman | looks like it works ? |
| 16:46.20 | paddor | xingu: is this a real question? i dont know.. may be the same? |
| 16:46.39 | DocPlatypus | paddor: I don't have a by-label, is this normal? |
| 16:46.48 | piper | abrotman: no it did not |
| 16:47.01 | stevepastelan | friends |
| 16:47.04 | abrotman | what is eth0 ? |
| 16:47.11 | stevepastelan | how do I determine which architecture of stuff I need? |
| 16:47.19 | abrotman | for what ? |
| 16:47.25 | stevepastelan | for the kernel |
| 16:47.26 | piper | abrotman: that is my wire one the one i use right now |
| 16:47.27 | DocPlatypus | stevepastelan: what kind of box do you have? |
| 16:47.28 | paddor | DocPlatypus, i think yes. i didnt do freaky stuff. maybe you didnt set a label on your ext2,3 (or even xfs?) device. |
| 16:47.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:47.35 | stevepastelan | I have an amd athlon 64 |
| 16:47.41 | abrotman | piper: did you set your ESSID? |
| 16:47.49 | abrotman | stevepastelan: amd64 or i386 |
| 16:47.49 | DocPlatypus | stevepastelan: then you want the x86_64 port most likely |
| 16:47.57 | DocPlatypus | or amd64 or whatever it's called |
| 16:48.07 | stevepastelan | will I be able to run 32 bit binaries? |
| 16:48.14 | ma3x | abrotman: so ftp kinda sucks because its not secure |
| 16:48.17 | DocPlatypus | stevepastelan: yes if you install the right packages |
| 16:48.19 | abrotman | duh |
| 16:48.22 | stevepastelan | I remember some time ago I tried to install ubuntu 64, and nothing worked |
| 16:48.30 | stevepastelan | and I couldn't compile anything from source |
| 16:48.30 | DocPlatypus | I've successfully run the 32 bit Firefox and Java plugin on an amd64 box |
| 16:48.41 | stevepastelan | what about i686? |
| 16:48.42 | paddor | xingu, the problem is, that my usb-devices are recognized a little bit too late. it tries to mount a dev by uuid/label, fails an then: usb device attached... |
| 16:48.43 | stevepastelan | what's that for? |
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| 16:48.57 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: do you already have debian installed? |
| 16:48.58 | phreqmod | Back in the time FSP was used for anonymous FTP replacement,,, don't know if it caught behyong somer, er, underground uses though. |
| 16:49.00 | piper | abrotman: yes i did |
| 16:49.05 | stevepastelan | jelly-home: yeah I do |
| 16:49.18 | abrotman | piper: does the card even light up ? |
| 16:49.19 | DocPlatypus | stevepastelan: that's for Pentium Pro, Pentium 3, Pentium 4, and some Celerons I think |
| 16:49.27 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
| 16:49.27 | stevepastelan | I see :) |
| 16:49.39 | piper | abrotman: it does have a steady light right now |
| 16:49.44 | poi | Hello, I want to connect with Mac OSX Clients to a debian server. Now I don't know if netatalk or nfs or something else is the best solution |
| 16:49.45 | stevepastelan | jelly: it says i386 |
| 16:50.08 | stevepastelan | but I just installed a 386 kernel |
| 16:50.13 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: I _think_ the most suitable kernel package for you is the -k7 one |
| 16:50.16 | stevepastelan | and now I don't know if it's right |
| 16:50.22 | abrotman | piper: iwlist eth1 scanning |
| 16:50.36 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: it would work, but -686 or -k7 are better options |
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| 16:50.58 | stevepastelan | ah |
| 16:51.04 | stevepastelan | that's sort of what I thought |
| 16:51.10 | stevepastelan | is it alright to use k7 if I have a k8 processor? |
| 16:51.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:51.38 | piper | abrotman: debian:/home/piper# iwlist eth1 scanning |
| 16:51.40 | piper | eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 16:51.51 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: you're running etch? |
| 16:51.53 | stevepastelan | ok, so I'll change my kernel to k7 :))) |
| 16:52.06 | stevepastelan | jelly-home: no, sarge |
| 16:52.06 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 etch |
| 16:52.07 | piper | abrotman: let me reboot and come back 1 min |
| 16:52.07 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:52.10 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64: (Linux 2.6.18 image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-11 (etch), Packaged size: 16422 kB, Installed size: 65988 kB |
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| 16:52.28 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: ok, then -k7 is probably the best |
| 16:52.37 | stevepastelan | cool :) |
| 16:52.40 | stevepastelan | thanks |
| 16:52.40 | xingu | paddor: which filesystem are you trying to put on usb? ie which mountpoint. |
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| 16:52.54 | stevepastelan | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7. |
| 16:52.58 | stevepastelan | that one |
| 16:52.59 | abrotman | should be -3- |
| 16:53.06 | abrotman | try an apt-get update |
| 16:53.07 | stevepastelan | hmm |
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| 16:53.14 | stevepastelan | oh |
| 16:53.16 | stevepastelan | I see a 3 |
| 16:53.19 | paddor | xingu, ext3 on /media/paddor |
| 16:53.22 | stevepastelan | hehe good thing you noticed that :D thanks |
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| 16:53.27 | stevepastelan | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7. |
| 16:53.43 | abrotman | stevepastelan: install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 16:53.46 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: install kernel-image-2.6-k7, so that when you upgrade to etch on day the upgrade will fetch the latest 2.6.xx |
| 16:53.48 | xingu | paddor: are you using a debian kernel or a custom one? |
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| 16:54.21 | bizz | can someone tell me how to open an editor as root |
| 16:54.32 | markybob | vi ? |
| 16:54.33 | paddor | xingu, custom. but the required modules should work. if i type manually later (after booting) "sudo mount -a" it works perfectly. |
| 16:54.36 | stevepastelan | omg guys I'm an idiot |
| 16:54.39 | stevepastelan | you're going to kill me |
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| 16:54.56 | xingu | paddor: I think you've just discovered one of the many reasons to use an initramfs |
| 16:55.03 | CBG | Hi. Trying to install latest nightly "netinst" onto an external hd to my intel iMac. The network connection step fails, presumably because I am only connected wirelessly and the netinst cd doesn't have the right driver for that - assuming it is even available. But worse, the grub, lilo and elilo steps all fail too. Is this because an internet connection is required for those steps? |
| 16:55.04 | xingu | paddor: ... which debian kernels do by default |
| 16:55.05 | stevepastelan | I told you the CPU of a different computer ;\ the one I have there is a dual P2!! |
| 16:55.10 | paddor | xingu, i use a initrd. |
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| 16:55.33 | stevepastelan | so then 686 is probably right? |
| 16:55.39 | jelly-home | stevepastelan: then 686, yeah |
| 16:55.40 | paddor | xingu, i didnt use to, but i use it now, because my system is on lvm2, which requires userspace-tools (-> initrd) |
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| 16:56.05 | stevepastelan | great :) |
| 16:56.06 | bizz | I type su - and then password, but then whem i type KWrite or Kedit it says command not found |
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| 16:56.23 | bizz | what am i doing wrong? |
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| 16:56.39 | abrotman | kedit ? |
| 16:56.39 | wols | you sure it's not kwrite? |
| 16:56.40 | markybob | just cant be serious |
| 16:56.41 | wols | and kedit? |
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| 16:56.58 | abrotman | markybob: don't you always use kedit when writing config files ? |
| 16:57.13 | markybob | abrotman, know what....i forgot it was sunday ;) |
| 16:57.28 | bizz | tried Kwrite as well |
| 16:57.38 | abrotman | markybob: didn't your mom ask you to go to church this morning? :) |
| 16:57.39 | wols | kwrite. all lower case |
| 16:57.52 | markybob | abrotman, ha! :) |
| 16:58.01 | bizz | thank you |
| 16:58.12 | dustybin | ive installed rsync on debian etch and copied and edited the example rsyncd.conf file and placed it into /etc/rsyncd.conf. i cant figure out why the daemon doesnt start and listen on port 873 when i use etc/init.d/rsync start |
| 16:58.30 | phreqmod | dustybin, see /etc/default/rsync |
| 16:58.39 | dustybin | ok :) |
| 16:58.52 | paddor | xingu: btw: what do you mean with this? can i manually include for example usb-driver into initrd, so the usb-device is recognized BEFORE fstab is scanned and volumes are mounted? |
| 16:59.00 | keram | how do you have your box sync its time with a public time server? |
| 16:59.04 | phreqmod | dustybin, just a long shot, some daemons are not started by default, that could be the case with rssync... |
| 16:59.17 | xingu | paddor: precisely. |
| 16:59.18 | keram | my main box updated but some of my other debian boxes didnt |
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| 16:59.58 | xingu | paddor: update-initramfs will automagically include the modules from /etc/modules and modprobe them early; to a certain extent it will also reverse-engineer your fstab also. |
| 17:00.03 | phreqmod | !ntp |
| 17:00.03 | dpkg | i guess ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 17:00.31 | paddor | xingu, wow! i must try.. |
| 17:00.43 | xingu | paddor: from the sounds of it your initrd needs some love and attention; I'd suggest you maybe start by including the requisite bus and block devices in /etc/modules and then regenerating your initrd |
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| 17:02.02 | xingu | paddor: if you were feeling really enthusiastic you'd create a non-hal-ized udev script for handling the block device hotplug event by matching device to mountpoint in fstab |
| 17:02.15 | dustybin | phreqmod: thanks, rsync daemon now works :) |
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| 17:02.27 | xand | YEAH RIGHT |
| 17:02.33 | xingu | paddor: then you could list the device with mount opt of "noauto" and let hotplug/udev deal. |
| 17:02.42 | phreqmod | dustybin, yw. |
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| 17:03.30 | paddor | xingu, sounds good. but i have no idea of scripting udev. why non-hal-ized? because it depends on hmm.. something that isnt available very early? |
| 17:03.49 | torrr | anyone knows about proftpd? ftpasswd requires gid:uid, how do I invent these numbers? |
| 17:03.51 | Acu | Is any application or command which can compare the fille type between two folders or hard disks (I think I have many duplicate files and I do not know how to swift and sort them) ? |
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| 17:04.09 | xingu | paddor: that, and because hal is a textbook example of gross over-engineering and has no business being anywhere near mass storage |
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| 17:04.29 | paddor | xingu, what do you mean with including the requisite bus and block devices in /etc/modules? i thought, i add sd_mod into it. (or usb_storage? or both?) |
| 17:04.31 | csmanx | hello there |
| 17:04.35 | csmanx | did anybody have trouble trying to record cds with k3b ? I can only burn dvds =/ |
| 17:04.45 | xingu | paddor: bus - usb; block - usb-storage |
| 17:04.50 | phreqmod | Acu, fdupes |
| 17:04.57 | wols | paddor: you add anything you need for booting into it |
| 17:05.19 | phreqmod | Acu, apt-cache search duplicat|grep dupli gives me that, never used it but the description fits the bill... |
| 17:05.20 | xingu | paddor: ie, you need your ehci/ohci/partridge-in-a-pear-treaa-hci before you can attach your usb-storage device to it. |
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| 17:05.25 | abrotman | Acu: cmp |
| 17:05.28 | abrotman | or maybe it was diff |
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| 17:05.55 | paddor | xingu, i need both, dont i? dm_mod for the usb-bus and usb_storage for the physical hdd? |
| 17:06.03 | bizz | when i try to log open an editor as root i get an error stating cannot connect to xserver any ideas? |
| 17:06.13 | xingu | paddor: you know your hardware best... |
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| 17:06.26 | bizz | when i try to open an editor as root i get an error stating cannot connect to xserver any ideas? |
| 17:06.26 | paddor | xingu, ok :) can i list the content of initrd? |
| 17:06.34 | phreqmod | bizz, several |
| 17:06.51 | phreqmod | bizz, first, it would be important for you to understand why that happens |
| 17:06.55 | piper69 | abrotman: now we are talking please take a look at this i included everything http://channels.debian.net/paste/5682. |
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| 17:07.00 | bizz | yes please |
| 17:07.16 | phreqmod | bizz, I supposed you are logged in in X with your normal account correct? And in an X shell you did a "su -" ? |
| 17:07.18 | xingu | paddor: the design is arse backwards; the way to fix it is by allowing udev to do its thing - catch the hotplug event and mount the devices as they turn up; but does it work that way at present? hell no; patches, I'm sure, would be accepted. |
| 17:07.20 | ma3x | what's this 'debian package of the day' on slashdot? |
| 17:07.26 | abrotman | piper69: is test yours ? |
| 17:07.27 | bizz | correct |
| 17:07.34 | xand | bizz: use vim or nano |
| 17:07.41 | piper69 | abrotman: what you mean |
| 17:07.47 | bizz | how do i save the changes with nano |
| 17:07.48 | bizz | ? |
| 17:07.52 | xingu | paddor: the only hotplug events that are caught at present are those caught by hal /after/ a user has logged into their desktop; and that is just unbelievably gross. |
| 17:08.05 | xingu | paddor: even if it does result in pretty-shiny-shiny desktop icons. |
| 17:08.06 | piper69 | bizz: i use pico |
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| 17:08.14 | itrebal | in Exim4, the split configuration files, why is everything set with variables? like.. "domainlist local_domains = MAIN_LOCAL_DOMAINS" where is MAIN_LOCAL_DOMAINS? or is it something I should edit myself? |
| 17:08.20 | phreqmod | bizz, the thing is, X creates a ~/.Xauthority file and has an ACL mechanism. When you do a "su -" two things happen that preventroot for using the X client |
| 17:08.22 | Acu | phreqmod: thanks - I just installed fdupes - is a command line which I can start |
| 17:08.28 | piper69 | bizz: try ctrl+o |
| 17:08.30 | phreqmod | phreqmod, yw |
| 17:08.32 | Acu | abrotman: how to start cmp |
| 17:08.34 | abrotman | piper69: is "test" your access point ? |
| 17:08.37 | biz | how can i grep for a-z A-Z 0-9 in one expression? |
| 17:08.37 | abrotman | Acu: man cmp ? |
| 17:08.41 | abrotman | Acu: but i think it's diff |
| 17:08.45 | phreqmod | bizz, first, the env var DISPLAY is probable rest |
| 17:08.47 | abrotman | [:alphanum:] |
| 17:08.53 | abrotman | or something liek that |
| 17:08.57 | phreqmod | bizz, do a "echo $DISPLAY" in that root shell |
| 17:08.59 | xingu | paddor: an initrd is generally a cpio archive |
| 17:08.59 | piper69 | abrotman: no |
| 17:09.19 | xingu | paddor: a gzip compressed one in fact. |
| 17:09.20 | abrotman | piper69: whose is it ? |
| 17:09.28 | paddor | xingu, sry, i dont really understand. :) but i think, you dont like HAL? |
| 17:09.36 | piper69 | abrotman: don't know |
| 17:09.43 | paddor | xingu, ok, i try.. could it be a tarball? whats better? |
| 17:09.45 | abrotman | piper69: oh wait .. iwlist eth2 scanning |
| 17:09.51 | phreqmod | bizz, and also the same in a normeal xterm, with your user, for comparison |
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| 17:09.57 | xingu | paddor: gzip -dc < some-initrd | cpio -itv for example |
| 17:10.14 | xingu | paddor: cpio has its attractions |
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| 17:10.24 | piper69 | abrotman: eth2 no resul |
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| 17:10.45 | abrotman | piper69: oh wait .. iwlist wlan0_rename scanning |
| 17:10.47 | xingu | paddor: hal is a matter of taste and it mightily offends mine. |
| 17:10.59 | Acu | guys, how can I make the CD in KDE mount automatically (strangely this time after installation I have to go to disks to enable the CD and have to do it all the time) |
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| 17:11.08 | piper69 | abrotman: no scan result |
| 17:11.25 | abrotman | piper69: dhclient eth2 |
| 17:11.42 | abrotman | piper69: do you even have a WEP/WPA key ? |
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| 17:13.39 | paddor | xingu, ok. is a initrd later removed from mem? is there no disadvantage about an initrd? |
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| 17:14.00 | piper69 | abrotman: i disabled the wep and here is the result for dhclient, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5683. |
| 17:14.04 | phreqmod | bizz, after that you will still have auth problems. What I use, after the "export DISPLAY=:0.0" , is "xauth merge /home/<userid>/.Xauthority". Then everything works |
| 17:14.20 | abrotman | piper69: and now you have that same error in syslog ? |
| 17:14.26 | phreqmod | bizz, you can also fiddle with "xhost +", that will disable access checking altogher |
| 17:14.42 | xingu | paddor: potentially a memory fragmentation issue but to all intents and purposes no, there's no disadvantage |
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| 17:15.01 | piper69 | abrotman: how can i see the syslog |
| 17:15.29 | abrotman | cat |
| 17:15.30 | abrotman | tail |
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| 17:15.31 | abrotman | head |
| 17:15.33 | dvs | less |
| 17:15.42 | paddor | xingu, ok :) and how to include stuff other than modules? like normal commands into it? |
| 17:15.46 | piper69 | huh, what |
| 17:15.47 | abrotman | more |
| 17:15.53 | dvs | emacs |
| 17:15.55 | abrotman | vi |
| 17:16.12 | dvs | nano |
| 17:16.13 | abrotman | oh i know! .. markybob told me to use kedit to view logs! |
| 17:16.20 | xingu | paddor: /etc/initramfs-tools/{hooks,scripts}/ |
| 17:16.34 | paddor | xingu, thx |
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| 17:17.01 | xingu | gnome-system-log! |
| 17:17.33 | wols | If I don't do that, I might get a stroke |
| 17:17.35 | abrotman | good plan! |
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| 17:19.02 | fasta | Is there a general way to remove output from an interactive program? |
| 17:19.47 | xingu | turn off your screen? pretty vague question. |
| 17:19.48 | fasta | E.g. suppose I have the program that shows: "Please insert a number", can I do some transformation on that, s.t. it doesn't show that anymore? |
| 17:19.57 | phreqmod | xingu, ehehehe |
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| 17:20.12 | phreqmod | fasta, in general : $ command > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 17:20.22 | phreqmod | That removes stdout and stderr altogether |
| 17:20.36 | fasta | phreqmod: but do I still have a prompt theN/ |
| 17:20.40 | fasta | phreqmod: then? |
| 17:20.59 | phreqmod | fasta, well, no. |
| 17:21.07 | fasta | phreqmod: I am currently doing something like that, but it seems the control is not with the interactive application anymore. |
| 17:21.13 | Ankman | command 2>&1 /dev/null |
| 17:21.16 | fasta | phreqmod: so, that's basically the real problem. |
| 17:21.21 | Ankman | also works |
| 17:21.32 | dvs | huh? |
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| 17:21.37 | phreqmod | fasta, if it's interactive then things change |
| 17:21.41 | dvs | don't you need another ">" ? |
| 17:21.45 | piper69 | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5684. |
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| 17:21.48 | phreqmod | And what I said ddoesn't work |
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| 17:21.58 | phreqmod | xingu's suggestion is elegant and might work though :) |
| 17:22.03 | piper69 | abrotman: 1 sec i will be right back |
| 17:22.09 | fasta | phreqmod: I already said "interactive" in my first message. |
| 17:22.15 | abrotman | piper69: it's the same error you had before |
| 17:22.17 | fasta | phreqmod: so nothing "changes" |
| 17:22.25 | phreqmod | fasta, yes, I see it now... |
| 17:22.34 | abrotman | piper69: try a dhclient wlan0_rename |
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| 17:23.35 | xingu | Ankman: the two forms are not equivalencies; >/dev/null 2>&1 redirects stdout to null and then redirects stderror to the redirected stdout fd; 2>&1 >/dev/null redirects stderr to stdout fd, then separately redirects the stdout fd to null - leaving you with stderr on stdout's fd. |
| 17:24.24 | Ankman | i know |
| 17:24.25 | xingu | Ankman: if you ever have the dubious honour of trapping errors in remote rsh shells, you'll discover why both forms are important. |
| 17:24.31 | phreqmod | fasa, something that could work is piping it to grep or tr |
| 17:24.36 | Ankman | :-) |
| 17:24.54 | Ankman | piper69: hi |
| 17:24.54 | phreqmod | fasa, I made a test script with "echo "Insert Number"; read i, echo $i" |
| 17:25.20 | phreqmod | fasa, and ./test.sh | egrep -v "^In" removes the Insert line, but reads and prints the variable |
| 17:25.23 | phreqmod | YMMV though |
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| 17:27.13 | xingu | fasta: if cmd | sed -e 's|prompt|newprompt|' isn't doing it for you, then perhaps expect is really what you need. |
| 17:28.05 | phreqmod | Yes, expect will certainly work, probably the best way for something more complex |
| 17:28.08 | fasta | phreqmod: hmm, that's the same as what I had. Maybe what I wrote was already good. |
| 17:28.19 | fasta | phreqmod: (but needs minor modifications) |
| 17:28.32 | piper69 | Ankman: hey how are you |
| 17:28.44 | xingu | fasta: but the real answer of course is to get the source and fix it. |
| 17:29.16 | fasta | xingu: it's a development version of a compiler and it's used as debugging output, but otherwise works fine. |
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| 17:29.51 | biz | abrotman: thanks. [[:alnum:]] worked! do you know how to match everything (.*) except < and >? |
| 17:30.09 | Ankman | yeah :-) |
| 17:30.10 | abrotman | grep -v ? |
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| 17:30.50 | piper69 | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5685 |
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| 17:31.15 | abrotman | piper69: same errors in syslog ? |
| 17:31.37 | piper69 | Ankman: i am having hard time to setup that card man, abrotman have been trying to help me since ever |
| 17:31.47 | piper69 | abrotman: yes |
| 17:31.55 | abrotman | but i'm doing a crap job .. and have to leave soon |
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| 17:32.03 | xingu | biz: .... [^<>] probably. |
| 17:32.28 | Ankman | any luck? |
| 17:32.33 | paddor | test |
| 17:32.41 | Ankman | still we can try to compile my driver... |
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| 17:33.11 | piper69 | Ankman: nope, i am using hostap now , we can see the card but can't set it up |
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| 17:33.30 | Ankman | driver loaded? |
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| 17:33.53 | Ankman | same wpc-11 card olr other? |
| 17:34.13 | xingu | piper69: wlan0_rename, from memory, is not the interface you want to be setting up; from memory that's the cloning interface used in accesspoint mode; does iwconfig find any other wext capable interfaces? |
| 17:34.29 | abrotman | piper69: no .. you're using orinoco again |
| 17:34.42 | fasta | Ok, the problem is that grep takes in lines. I need something that is character based. |
| 17:34.54 | piper69 | Ankman: i am trying a netgear ma401 |
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| 17:35.05 | piper69 | and yes i am using orinco sorry |
| 17:35.06 | phreqmod | fasta, tr works by character |
| 17:35.06 | Ankman | oh |
| 17:35.31 | xingu | fasta: you probably need expect then |
| 17:35.32 | phreqmod | fasta, but I'm not sure if it does what you need, it is mainly used replace or delete characters |
| 17:35.32 | Acu | I found Krusader and KDiff3 - which helps beautifully compare the files among TWO Folders - however I want to see whether I have duplicate files in the same folder - any hint how should I do that ? |
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| 17:35.48 | juice` | is it possible to get old version of some packages from debian? |
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| 17:36.12 | wols | juice`: archive.debian.org |
| 17:36.26 | hark | yes, /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:36.27 | juice` | for example, switching from apache 2.0 to 2.2 was IMHO done very badly, and i want to downgrade to apache 2.0 |
| 17:36.34 | xingu | fasta: tr doesn't know about character positioning, textutils stuff will work line-at-a-time; perl can do unterminated buffers, but your problem is sufficiently complex that solving it with expect is probably a good idea. |
| 17:36.34 | EmleyMoor | How do I enable the tray in icewm? |
| 17:36.50 | juice` | wols: i saw only old distributions, not old packages there |
| 17:38.04 | juice` | i have modules that work only on 2.0 and i failed re-wrtiting them for apache 2.2. so i have to downgrade my etch to 2.0 |
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| 17:38.04 | juice` | any idea how to do that? |
| 17:38.04 | juice` | i mean my apache 2.2 to apache 2.0 |
| 17:38.04 | juice` | in my etch debian. |
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| 17:38.09 | wols | sarge has 2.0 |
| 17:38.26 | xingu | piper69: can I see - pccardctl list; iwconfig; ifconfig -a; lsmod; dmesg |
| 17:38.34 | piper69 | abrotman: thank you for all the effort |
| 17:38.40 | juice` | so it seems, but it's 2.0.55 only? any way to get 2.0.58 ? |
| 17:38.46 | xingu | piper69: I know you've probably been through all this but I need to see your current running state. |
| 17:38.48 | juice` | or at least latest that was in etch? |
| 17:39.09 | juice` | i think i saw 2.0.56 for sure in etch, but i dont know where to look for it |
| 17:39.16 | piper69 | xingu: 1 sec let me get all this info for you |
| 17:40.08 | xingu | piper69: "pccardctl ident" sorry. |
| 17:40.14 | wols | juice`: backports perhaps |
| 17:40.15 | vn | what would be the best file to execute the command route add default gw at the boot? |
| 17:40.18 | juice` | is there any place where are kept different versions of packages? |
| 17:40.18 | vn | on debian |
| 17:40.20 | juice` | hmmm |
| 17:40.29 | troubled | debaday already slashdotted lol |
| 17:40.30 | hark | juice`: yes, /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:40.30 | juice` | it's not on backport i think |
| 17:40.38 | xingu | vn: add a gateway to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:40.49 | juice` | oh, thanks! |
| 17:40.57 | juice` | hark: sorry i missed it for a first time |
| 17:42.01 | vn | xingu: adding the gateway there, is that the same thing as if I type the rute add default gw command? |
| 17:42.23 | xingu | vn: yes |
| 17:42.29 | vn | ok |
| 17:42.35 | vn | :\ lets try a remote reboot |
| 17:42.37 | xingu | vn: it'll be added by ifupdown when the interface is brought up |
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| 17:43.12 | xingu | vn: I'm assuming of course that you're using the inet/static method. |
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| 17:44.48 | troubled | !debaday |
| 17:44.48 | dpkg | The Debian project has created a new webpage: The 'Debian Package of The Day'. Each day the website highlights a different package from the repository. It includes screenshots and elaborate descriptions. The address is http://debaday.debian.org/ |
| 17:44.58 | jnc | um... gnome clock-applet is leaking memory. |
| 17:45.06 | xingu | buy more! |
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| 17:45.14 | troubled | if anyone could verify that factoid, that would be great, thanks |
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| 17:45.26 | jnc | well yes, but is this a debian bug to be reported, or ... |
| 17:45.27 | troubled | hmm, should be .net |
| 17:45.39 | troubled | !debaday =~ s/.org/.net/ |
| 17:45.40 | dpkg | troubled: OK |
| 17:45.55 | jnc | clock-applet is up to 200M resident and it's only been running 1 day |
| 17:45.56 | xingu | jnc: or for the other comedy response - it's gnome, how can you tell |
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| 17:46.02 | Marenz | re |
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| 17:46.17 | Marenz | it works now (my wlan) |
| 17:46.20 | jnc | xingu: I'm using the gnome-system-monitor to visualize this |
| 17:46.24 | troubled | !debaday is also apparently not an "official" website. |
| 17:46.24 | dpkg | okay, troubled |
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| 17:46.26 | jnc | xingu: what do you mean? |
| 17:46.30 | xingu | Marenz: good; what changed? |
| 17:46.58 | Marenz | it was iwtables ra0 key <key> restricted essid <essid> |
| 17:47.02 | Marenz | ah |
| 17:47.05 | Marenz | *iwconfig |
| 17:47.14 | xingu | jnc: just joshing; given that the applet is installed by default with gnome-desktop and active on the default user desktop, I'd say it's worth bugging myself |
| 17:47.25 | piper69 | xingu: Ankman : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5686 |
| 17:47.25 | jnc | oh okay |
| 17:47.31 | Marenz | just a small other problem now |
| 17:47.42 | jnc | xingu: what would you like me to do? |
| 17:47.49 | xingu | jnc: querybts/reportbug? |
| 17:47.55 | Ankman | i ckeck |
| 17:48.13 | jnc | sorry, I'm not familiar with the bug tracking systems. where should I start? |
| 17:48.22 | xingu | querybts probably |
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| 17:49.30 | xingu | piper69: ok, viz that lot you're still running hostap_cs |
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| 17:49.50 | xingu | piper69: now that's no bad thing, and I would suggest you continue to do so personally; but first things first |
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| 17:50.11 | xingu | piper69: wlan0_rename is a cloning interface; basically - ignore it; do your setup against eth2 instead. |
| 17:50.48 | EmleyMoor | I need to enable viewing the systray in icewm - how do I do it? |
| 17:50.49 | jnc | xingu: thank you |
| 17:50.50 | Ankman | crap |
| 17:51.18 | Marenz | 3 compters: A Router, link to internet ip 192.168.2.1 B laptop , ip#1 192.168.2.4 & ip#2 192.168.1.26 C desktop 192.168.1.24 A connected to B , B connected to C. This was done on B: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ra0 is wlan to A, eth0 is lan to C. done on C is route ad default gw 192.168.1.26 C can ping A. C can't connect to the internet. |
| 17:51.18 | Marenz | GOAL: C gets internet. |
| 17:51.52 | xingu | jnc: nb my clock-applet is "only" 15MiB resident. |
| 17:51.53 | jnc | xingu: 33) #305860: clock-applet uses insane amount of memory |
| 17:51.55 | jnc | :) |
| 17:52.09 | jnc | I restart clock-applet, now it is using the same, 15M |
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| 17:52.40 | wols | jnc: storing all 86000 seconds of a full day takes lots of memory you know? |
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| 17:53.12 | ignotus | hello, I need a program to decode quotedprintable into plain text (lets say iso-8859-1), then to encode it again to quoted printable |
| 17:53.14 | jnc | wols: oh, it does? maybe for the appointment notification |
| 17:53.17 | ignotus | recode and iconv can't do it |
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| 17:53.24 | Ankman | mmencode |
| 17:53.27 | Ankman | i guess |
| 17:53.28 | ignotus | Ankman: checking |
| 17:53.46 | xingu | wols: it's updating all 31.5M of a year's worth of them at once that really chows it down |
| 17:54.02 | Ankman | recode just does charsets, quoted-prontable is none, it |
| 17:54.09 | xingu | jnc: nb my gnome-panel is much, much newer than yours (2.14.3-5, sid) |
| 17:54.11 | Ankman | is a transport enconding |
| 17:54.21 | ignotus | Ankman: I see, thanks |
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| 17:54.27 | vn- | xingu: remember the read only fs problem I have? |
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| 17:54.33 | xingu | vn-: yep. |
| 17:54.40 | vn- | I just rebooted, still ro |
| 17:54.44 | ignotus | Ankman: which package contains mmencode? |
| 17:54.46 | Ankman | ~seen piper69 |
| 17:55.49 | apt | piper69 is currently on #debian (1m 23s), last said: 'xingu: Ankman : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5686'. |
| 17:55.51 | vn- | is there a wy to force fsck on reboot? |
| 17:55.51 | Ankman | !seen piper69 |
| 17:55.51 | dpkg | piper69 is currently on #debian (26s), last said: 'xingu: Ankman : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5686'. |
| 17:55.51 | xingu | vn-: touch /forcefsck |
| 17:55.51 | Ankman | ah |
| 17:55.51 | piper69 | Ankman: sorry i got disconnected |
| 17:55.51 | Ankman | ignotus: no idea had it on an older suse installation |
| 17:55.51 | vn- | xingu: another way? I can't write there :p |
| 17:55.51 | Ankman | np |
| 17:55.51 | hark | vn-: or shutdown -F |
| 17:55.51 | itrebal | petemc: ping |
| 17:55.53 | ignotus | Ankman: hehe okay:) |
| 17:55.53 | xingu | hark: he's right, / is hosed |
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| 17:55.54 | xingu | vn-: um... single user at physical console; see I'm not as stupid as I look |
| 17:55.58 | vn- | ok I try -F |
| 17:56.09 | xingu | vn-: that just does touch /forcefsck on the way down... |
| 17:56.15 | hark | yeah |
| 17:56.16 | vn- | lol |
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| 17:56.39 | xingu | piper69: at this stage I think you should reboot that system |
| 17:56.43 | Ankman | ignotus: do an rpm search even if it just finds rpms you got the name and can search for a debian |
| 17:57.15 | xingu | piper69: ... and then recollect the same paste all over again; it's still using hostap_cs and eth2 looks a little confused between what wext thinks and what netdev namespace thinks. |
| 17:57.29 | xingu | piper69: note the UNSPEC link encap type for eth2 in ifconfig -a |
| 17:57.57 | vn- | funny thing is...I still receive my mail, so imap is able to write stuff there |
| 17:58.02 | xingu | piper69: ie, it looks highly likely that net1394 has done something awful to your eth2 netdev. |
| 17:58.34 | piper69 | xingu: the info i paste for you was after the reboot |
| 17:59.03 | vn- | arghhhhhhhhhhhh!!! now I can't even reboot |
| 17:59.14 | xingu | piper69: ok in that case jump into /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 17:59.40 | xingu | piper69: find the line matching 00:09:5B:0E:5A:55, eth2; and rename as eth3 |
| 18:00.02 | xingu | piper69: leave the one for wlan0_rename the heck alone. |
| 18:00.22 | vn- | shutdown -rF now doesn't want to reboot...what do I do!? |
| 18:00.36 | xingu | physical console! :) |
| 18:00.38 | jnc | xingu: :/ |
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| 18:00.56 | jnc | i'm running sid too, I guess? |
| 18:01.05 | vn- | is there a way to ssh thru single user mode? |
| 18:01.17 | xingu | jnc: maybe time for a little upgrade love then? |
| 18:01.23 | jnc | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 18:01.30 | jnc | that looks like sid to me hm |
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| 18:01.41 | jnc | maybe amd64 isn't on the same versions |
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| 18:01.45 | xingu | vn-: ssh to adjacent system, serial console; it's not the sort of thing you want to be retrofitting, you want to preplan this ... |
| 18:01.45 | jnc | it should be though right |
| 18:01.56 | xingu | jnc: I'm using amd64... |
| 18:01.57 | vn- | xingu: indeed. |
| 18:02.07 | Scurz | How can i know the filesystems supported by the kernel ? |
| 18:02.14 | xingu | Scurz: cat /proc/filesystems |
| 18:02.18 | jnc | Scurz: good question, easy answer ^^ |
| 18:02.21 | xingu | I love the easy ones |
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| 18:02.32 | jnc | that was a well formed question, give him/her credit |
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| 18:02.40 | Scurz | xingu: thanks ;) |
| 18:02.51 | bzed | !beer Scurz |
| 18:02.56 | Scurz | héhé |
| 18:03.04 | Ankman | !boobies |
| 18:03.05 | piper69 | xingu: there is none for the wlan0_rename but i did fine the eth2 and rename it to eth3 |
| 18:03.08 | piper69 | what next |
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| 18:03.18 | Ankman | damn, b00b server seems to be down |
| 18:03.18 | jnc | Scurz: additional filesystems may be supported by loading relevent kernel modules, I'm not cert.. |
| 18:03.19 | xingu | piper69: reboot! woo! |
| 18:03.31 | Scurz | jnc: okay. |
| 18:03.33 | Ankman | ouch! |
| 18:03.42 | bzed | !boobs |
| 18:03.43 | dpkg | (.)(.) |
| 18:03.49 | piper69 | jnc: better watch it ankman is my buddy |
| 18:03.50 | jnc | ...certain if filesystems are all going to be listed if the kernel modules are not loaded |
| 18:03.52 | vn- | :-D~~~~ |
| 18:03.53 | xingu | piper69: just like windows <grin> "windows has detected your mouse pointer moved; would you like to shutdown now, or do this later? [OK]" |
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| 18:04.21 | Scurz | how can i know if the kernel supported the scsi ? |
| 18:04.22 | jnc | piper69: or what, you'll spam the channel even more? |
| 18:04.31 | bzed | jnc: I think the fs' you've build as module while building the kernel are listed, too |
| 18:04.38 | bzed | Scurz: scsi is not a filesystem :P |
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| 18:04.44 | Scurz | bzed: i know |
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| 18:04.50 | sebs | lets say i wanna build a script for a binary file, and i want this script to use the libs from the folder /foo and not from /usr/lib/ how would i go about doing that? |
| 18:04.52 | xingu | Scurz: /proc/scsi/... |
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| 18:05.09 | jnc | Scurz: at this time you may want to clue us into the task you are attempting to accomplish |
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| 18:05.32 | bzed | sebs: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/foo program |
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| 18:05.32 | Scurz | okay, thanks for your help |
| 18:05.35 | jelly-home | I can't make gocr to display any sensible output from a screenshot (a literal picture of a screen taken) |
| 18:06.05 | GaiaX11 | I've downloaded a DVD 1 debian iso, but it has only 372.4 MB. Is there anything wrong with it? |
| 18:06.13 | Scurz | and, if there is /proc/scsi/, it's that scsi can be used ? |
| 18:06.20 | Ankman | damn piper69 |
| 18:06.41 | jelly-home | Scurz: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:06.42 | jnc | GaiaX11: might be. there's a system of checksums you can take advantage of |
| 18:07.25 | xingu | Ankman: eth1394 and hostap are not sharing the love; hostap uses a cloning interface concept, one main interface - wlan0_rename - and the associated instances, eth%d or whatever you've set the name-ing rule module parameter to |
| 18:07.32 | GaiaX11 | jnc: How bib is the dvd image (iso)? 4 GB? |
| 18:07.34 | jnc | GaiaX11: look for foobar.iso, there should be a corresponding foobar.md5 |
| 18:07.54 | xingu | Ankman: this is running foul of udev based interface renaming and eth1394 - both are claiming the eth2 netdev name; it's not curable without a reboot |
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| 18:08.11 | xingu | Ankman: this time through he should come up with eth3 ready for the next bits |
| 18:08.16 | jnc | when you're finished transferring the foobar.iso to your host, 'md5sum foobar.iso' will generate an md5 sum. check that to compare with the contents of foobar.md5 |
| 18:08.17 | Scurz | jelly-home: i want just know if there is /proc/scsi/, it's that scsi can be used ? |
| 18:08.22 | jnc | Scurz: making sense? |
| 18:08.37 | GaiaX11 | jnc: Thx a lot |
| 18:09.03 | jnc | Scurz: a somewhat depreciated method to list scsi interfaces recognized and available is the kernel export /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 18:09.04 | Scurz | sorry for my english, because i am french /o\ |
| 18:09.20 | Scurz | jnc: oki |
| 18:09.26 | xingu | Scurz: deprecated; lsscsi |
| 18:09.36 | jnc | that too |
| 18:09.49 | xingu | Scurz: but a necessary evil because ancient and unjustified kernels/userlands lack lsscsi... so... rock, hard place. |
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| 18:10.08 | jnc | ... |
| 18:10.12 | Scurz | okay |
| 18:10.15 | Scurz | good |
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| 18:10.21 | xingu | Scurz: btw you're probably reinventing parts of hardinfo |
| 18:10.27 | Ankman | xingu: d'oh |
| 18:10.35 | Ankman | yeah saw piper's past |
| 18:10.37 | jnc | anyhow, most modern distros keep the /proc/scsi/scsi compatibility hack in place. 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' to get your list |
| 18:10.40 | Ankman | pain in the asss |
| 18:11.00 | Ankman | he also has the wpc-11 like me, should get this running |
| 18:11.14 | Scurz | jnc: in /proc/scsi/scsi, it's vacuum |
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| 18:11.23 | xingu | Ankman: yep; you're probably using orinoco though at a guess, so keep that in mind |
| 18:11.39 | jelly-home | Scurz: no way to know. the drivers relevant to scsi support might just not be loaded yet. |
| 18:11.50 | jnc | Scurz: well, that means no driver (if any are loaded) has recognized a scsi device |
| 18:11.57 | Scurz | okay |
| 18:11.57 | xingu | Ankman: I actually prefer the hostap driver; it's a matter of taste, but the hostap development process gave me wood, and the orinoco one left me completely flaccid. |
| 18:11.58 | jelly-home | Scurz: which debian release are you talking about? |
| 18:12.04 | Scurz | etch |
| 18:12.15 | Scurz | i have compiled my kernel |
| 18:12.18 | xingu | Ankman: obviously opinions have no scarcity value, but hey, that's mine. |
| 18:12.27 | Ankman | xingu: no, third party driver specifically for this device |
| 18:12.36 | jelly-home | Scurz: then you should know if you have enabled support for scsi or not. |
| 18:12.37 | Scurz | and, what is the module for scsi ? |
| 18:12.42 | xingu | Ankman: really? bizarre; I smell a gpl violation ;) |
| 18:12.48 | jnc | Scurz: that depends much on your hardware |
| 18:12.58 | jnc | again, what is it you are trying to accomplish? |
| 18:12.58 | Ankman | no, open source :-) |
| 18:13.04 | Ankman | not even the kernel gets tinited |
| 18:13.19 | xingu | Ankman: wpc-11 is a reference prism2 design |
| 18:13.22 | Ankman | and before i run the ndiswrapper... :-) |
| 18:13.42 | Ankman | yeah, till v3 i guess, we both have v4 |
| 18:13.48 | xingu | oh christ |
| 18:13.49 | Scurz | jnc: hum, i went use the scsi disk |
| 18:13.52 | xingu | yeah ok. |
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| 18:14.11 | Ankman | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC (rev 20) |
| 18:14.29 | none | what's the tool to configure gdm login scren ? |
| 18:14.30 | jnc | Scurz: do you want to have your root filesystem on the scsi disk? |
| 18:14.44 | xingu | Ankman: his one is pcmcia - check his pccardctl ident |
| 18:14.48 | Ankman | none: vi or emacs ;-) |
| 18:14.53 | \amethyst | none: /usr/sbin/gdmsetup |
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| 18:14.57 | Ankman | mine too |
| 18:15.05 | xingu | oh fair do |
| 18:15.07 | Scurz | jnc: no |
| 18:15.24 | jelly-home | Scurz: there's a number of modules. from top, there's general scsi support, CONFIG_SCSI. Then there are various scsi devices - scsi disk, tapes, cdrom, generic scsi device - CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SG..., at the bottom, there are the drivers for scsi host adapters |
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| 18:15.40 | xingu | here we go |
| 18:15.49 | xingu | ding ding ding, piper69, round #991828183 |
| 18:15.51 | xingu | :) |
| 18:16.01 | jelly-home | Scurz: why did you build your own kernel? |
| 18:16.17 | vn- | server is not responsive now |
| 18:16.18 | Scurz | jelly-home: in my .config, there is : http://paste.debian.net/23476 |
| 18:16.18 | piper69 | xingu: lol i gave up |
| 18:16.20 | none | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.34 | Ankman | piper69: let's do the ssh thingy and the wpc |
| 18:16.37 | xingu | piper69: ankman's actually got the same hw as you it seems |
| 18:16.41 | Ankman | works here, why not on yours |
| 18:16.52 | Ankman | ah, i see your pm |
| 18:16.59 | xingu | Ankman: you got the link to your driver? |
| 18:17.01 | Trewas | is it possible to create dvds with UDF file system in linux? the actual problem is that I have a 4.6GB file which I should get to dvd in one part, and iso9660 images can't handle files larger than 2gb |
| 18:17.04 | Scurz | jelly-home: can i use the scsi disk with this .conf ? |
| 18:17.09 | Scurz | .config* |
| 18:17.11 | \amethyst | Scurz: you also need the driver for your SCSI card |
| 18:17.20 | Scurz | ok |
| 18:17.30 | Scurz | i must recompiled ? |
| 18:17.32 | piper69 | xingu: i do appreciate your help |
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| 18:17.48 | \amethyst | Scurz: why not use the debian stock kernel? |
| 18:17.53 | jelly-home | Scurz: you'd be better off using the Debian kernel |
| 18:17.56 | \amethyst | Scurz: it has all the drivers as modules |
| 18:17.58 | piper69 | jnc: please don't be mad at me i was just joking with you ;) |
| 18:17.58 | jnc | Trewas: err... where did you read that +2GB is not possible? |
| 18:18.05 | Ankman | xingu: no have two sources, prior and after 2.6.17 |
| 18:18.16 | Ankman | can dcc or giveyou the name for searching |
| 18:18.18 | \amethyst | Scurz: that way you don't have to recompile if you change hardware |
| 18:18.25 | Ankman | but piper already has my sources |
| 18:18.27 | Scurz | \amethyst: because i went use the last kernel |
| 18:18.42 | Scurz | \amethyst: of kernel.org |
| 18:18.42 | \amethyst | Scurz: Use the stock .config from the debian kernel then |
| 18:18.44 | jelly-home | Scurz: why do you want to use the latest? |
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| 18:19.33 | Ankman | xingu: rtl8180-sa2400-dev-fix.for2.6.17.tar.gz |
| 18:19.34 | jnc | piper69: may your ever-exceeding levels of testosterone give you unstoppable hair growth, and that one strand of said hair make its way into the hard disk storing your most prized data, such that it crash and you lose all your info. |
| 18:19.38 | Scurz | jelly-home: because when the serveur boot, it's long |
| 18:19.49 | Scurz | ... |
| 18:19.51 | Ankman | rtl8180-0.21.tar.gz (before 2.6.17) |
| 18:19.56 | xingu | piper69: can I have lspci from you? |
| 18:20.05 | Trewas | jnc: some pages say that the limit is 4GB, but still too low |
| 18:20.05 | jelly-home | Scurz: bah, a custom kernel will shorten the boot time by max 5-10 seconds |
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| 18:20.14 | xingu | Ankman: yep finding that myself; you're totally sure he has the rtl8180 one? |
| 18:20.19 | jnc | piper69: make backups, buy an electric razor. prepare for your fate. |
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| 18:20.37 | Scurz | jelly-home: it's, it's good |
| 18:20.38 | \amethyst | jelly-home: unless you have... interesting... hardware :) |
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| 18:20.54 | Ankman | pretty much |
| 18:20.55 | Scurz | but it's not the problem |
| 18:21.08 | Scurz | i went use the scsi disk |
| 18:21.09 | Ankman | xingu: he lets ssh in and i can check |
| 18:21.09 | \amethyst | Scurz: You have to have all the drivers you need for your system |
| 18:21.12 | jelly-home | \amethyst: I try not to use crappy hw in a machine called a server ;-) |
| 18:21.35 | Scurz | \amethyst: thus, i must recompiled ?! |
| 18:21.36 | xingu | Ankman: cool, well over to you then; just be sure; should show rtl8180 peripheral in lspci if it's that one. |
| 18:21.38 | \amethyst | Scurz: so you need one for the SCSI controller, one for the IDE controller, one for the network card |
| 18:21.41 | \amethyst | Scurz: yes |
| 18:21.42 | jnc | Trewas: IIRC the limit was filesystem-borne, and mostly pertained to FAT32 filesystems or earlier linux kernel versions where the ext2 filesystem driver would not reliably handle files in excess of 4gb |
| 18:21.46 | jelly-home | Scurz: anyway, your questions are more suited to ##kernel, there's nothing especially Debian related. |
| 18:21.49 | Scurz | \amethyst: ok, thanks |
| 18:22.02 | xingu | Ankman: bloody nobs used the *same* cardbus device/vendor id ... |
| 18:22.02 | Ankman | :-) |
| 18:22.03 | Scurz | jelly-home: sorry, but i use debian |
| 18:22.06 | \amethyst | Scurz: If you don't know what you're doing compiling a kernel, you are likely to have problems getting it to work |
| 18:22.22 | Ankman | he told me he has a wpc-11 v4 |
| 18:22.23 | Scurz | i dont think... |
| 18:22.31 | jnc | Trewas: 4.7G dvd-r ISO files work fine over here, I use k3b to burn them |
| 18:22.39 | \amethyst | Scurz: I would recommend starting from the Debian .config and disabling hardware drivers only |
| 18:22.39 | Ankman | pretty common, at least in canada (bell suckers sell them) and probably us |
| 18:22.43 | jelly-home | Scurz: but your question is not debian specific, and you might get more help there |
| 18:22.44 | Ankman | but no linux support |
| 18:22.49 | Scurz | jelly-home: ok ok |
| 18:22.53 | jelly-home | Scurz: you can use http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which drivers you need |
| 18:22.57 | \amethyst | Scurz: that way, the other settings are what Debian expects them to be |
| 18:23.05 | Trewas | jnc: I am burning a large file to dvd, which uses either iso9660 or udf filesystem, the first of which has the limitation that a single file can be up to 2GB (the whole image can be of course larger) |
| 18:23.08 | jnc | Trewas: there's a little script I use to write out bollywood movies and so on when they arrive as VIDEO_TS / AUDIO_TS directories |
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| 18:23.20 | Scurz | \amethyst: i must use the kernel-source of debian ? |
| 18:23.22 | jnc | Trewas: ah... |
| 18:23.25 | Ankman | so if you enter a bell shop (in canada) you see thousands of those pacakges |
| 18:23.30 | \amethyst | Scurz: just the .config file from it |
| 18:23.34 | Scurz | ok |
| 18:23.45 | jnc | Trewas: okay I see what you mean, within the context of ISO9660, an individual file very likely has a size cap |
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| 18:23.55 | jelly-home | \amethyst: dude, .config from debian is NOT a good starting point |
| 18:24.04 | jnc | that's why you see files split up on DVD movie ISOs |
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| 18:24.20 | jnc | Trewas: within the context of ISO9660 for DVDs, I think it was 2GB per file |
| 18:24.24 | jnc | that's what you mean? |
| 18:24.24 | xingu | Trewas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660#The_4_GB_file_size_limit |
| 18:24.39 | jelly-home | \amethyst: I'd rather use the defaults from vanilla kernel than something with all the drivers enabled and everything modularized |
| 18:24.42 | Trewas | jnc: yeah, not an inviting option here to split the file |
| 18:24.57 | pickcoder | Trewas: dvd+rw-tools and udftools |
| 18:24.58 | jnc | Trewas: what are you storing anyways? |
| 18:25.20 | sysfault | is there an elegant way to install all the available font packages in the sources list? Trying to avoid specifying each pkg individually.. |
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| 18:26.44 | Trewas | jnc: some HD video |
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| 18:27.15 | phreqmod | sysfault, apt-cache search ^xfonts| awk '{print $1}' |xargs apt-get install |
| 18:27.20 | phreqmod | Just an example |
| 18:27.31 | jnc | Trewas: hm. spanning is not acceptable? |
| 18:27.42 | xingu | Trewas: why not just use udfs ? |
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| 18:28.08 | sysfault | phreqmod: any artwiz pkgs? |
| 18:28.32 | \amethyst | sysfault: also ^ttf- |
| 18:28.32 | phreqmod | sysfault, in etch there aren't any |
| 18:28.34 | phreqmod | IIRC |
| 18:28.43 | sysfault | nice, apt-cache search accepts RE(S) |
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| 18:28.51 | sysfault | disappointing... |
| 18:28.54 | phreqmod | sysfault, I had to install mine by hand, there is sourcefourge prokect with them |
| 18:29.11 | sysfault | ok, sure thing. Thanks |
| 18:29.17 | phreqmod | sysfault, one is the arwiz fonts fixed of some glitches, the opther is the ISO8859-1 artwiz fonts |
| 18:29.27 | Trewas | xingu: that's what I was wondering, how to create a dvd with udf, udftools pickcoder pointed seems to be concentrated on packet writing which I assume is not what I want :) |
| 18:30.06 | xingu | Trewas: mkudffs, cdrwtool from udftools I assume |
| 18:30.22 | piper69 | ~seen Ankman |
| 18:30.46 | apt | ankman is currently on #debian (2h 15m 9s). Has said a total of 54 messages. Is idling for 7m 21s, last said: 'so if you enter a bell shop (in canada) you see thousands of those pacakges'. |
| 18:30.47 | xingu | Trewas: the kernel should automagically support packet writing if your drive and media do though... |
| 18:30.52 | xingu | Trewas: it's worth creating a coaster or two to find out; it's far simpler and less space hungry... |
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| 18:31.38 | sid | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=both&sortby=packages&new=7&refresh=1800 27 rc bugs preventing etch from being released!! |
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| 18:31.52 | sid | http://incoming.debian.org/ .. and some more bug fixing are ready to go in incoming... |
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| 18:32.43 | xingu | sid speak with forked tongue? |
| 18:33.32 | scv | forked tongue? a python? |
| 18:33.59 | piper69 | !find sshd |
| 18:34.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sshd' (5 of 11): (/usr/sbin/sshd) in net/openssh-server ;; (/etc/fail2ban/filter.d/sshd.conf) in net/fail2ban ;; (/usr/share/doc/makejail/examples/sshd.py) in admin/makejail ;; (/usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/sshdconfig.vim) in editors/vim-runtime ;; (/usr/share/doc/gradm/examples/debian_secure_acls/sshd) in admin/gradm. |
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| 18:36.09 | Crissi | hello |
| 18:36.23 | scv | hi dude |
| 18:36.29 | Thms | how to dns in a shell ? |
| 18:36.30 | Crissi | when the http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi will be come into debian? |
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| 18:36.45 | Crissi | Thms: dig |
| 18:37.14 | Thms | Crissi: there is another thinkg |
| 18:37.28 | scv | what? |
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| 18:37.51 | xingu | Crissi: when d80211 is ready. |
| 18:37.53 | Crissi | Thms: nslookup |
| 18:37.54 | scv | dig is in bsds by default |
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| 18:38.03 | Crissi | xingu: is it not? |
| 18:38.28 | xingu | Crissi: see the section on the web page that "... is a development driver. If you are looking fro a fully validated and stable driver..." ? |
| 18:38.34 | xingu | Crissi: what do you think that means? |
| 18:38.41 | Thms | Crissi: another :x |
| 18:38.44 | bzed | Crissi: the ipw3945 drivers are in debian, as modules |
| 18:39.10 | xingu | bzed: different driver tree; this one -= the reglatory daemon; it's good-fu but not-ready-fu. |
| 18:39.20 | bzed | Crissi: apt-get install ipw3945-modules-2.6-yourarchandstuff.... |
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| 18:39.37 | Alam_Debian | ok, "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda" is not the right way to wipe a disk, what am I missing? |
| 18:39.49 | bzed | xingu: I know, the others can;t be in debian yet, though, but as long as they're not in the ipw will work |
| 18:39.53 | xtknight | Alam_Debian, i dont see anything wrong with that |
| 18:40.04 | bzed | Alam_Debian: if=/dev/zero |
| 18:40.11 | xtknight | Alam_Debian, of course geeks with heavy glasses that work at MIT and DARPA may be able to read data off it...but... |
| 18:40.46 | bzed | Alam_Debian: you want to use bs=somethinglarge, though, or it'll take ages |
| 18:40.47 | Crissi | bzed: i still use this driver |
| 18:40.47 | xingu | Alam_Debian: it'd be more robust to shred(1) the disk at a filesystem level first. |
| 18:40.47 | Crissi | but this driver is not so much good and uses a binary daemon |
| 18:40.52 | xingu | Alam_Debian: but really, you want dban |
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| 18:41.04 | xingu | !dban |
| 18:41.04 | dpkg | i heard dban is http://dban.sf.net/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
| 18:41.30 | bzed | Alam_Debian: unly zeroing a hdd won't securely destroy all data |
| 18:42.00 | Alam_Debian | I just need to wipe this SD card, it gone crazy |
| 18:42.41 | xingu | Alam_Debian: shred(1) |
| 18:42.44 | RvGaTe | Is there a console-based application that supports reading NZB files and download stuff from newsgroups.. ? |
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| 18:43.26 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: what are NZB files? |
| 18:43.35 | piper69 | xingu: i just installed sshd and when i type sshd start i get sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path |
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| 18:43.58 | RvGaTe | jelly-home, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZB |
| 18:44.03 | xingu | jelly-home: you can wind up shooting yourself in the foot with that one on some flash media; the wear levelling headfakes you and before you can say "zeroed page remapping" batman the little fecker has left the flash itself alone and just updated its sector mapping list. |
| 18:44.06 | Disvroian | Hye i need help few time when i start my session i need to do a loadkeys for have the configuration of my keyboards else i have for example p is - |
| 18:44.08 | Alam_Debian | xingu, I don't want the shred the files, I want to wipe whole disk, the FAT32, the partion table, all gone |
| 18:44.30 | jelly-home | xingu: ah. I zero real disks! :-) |
| 18:44.32 | xingu | Alam_Debian: and if you read the manpage for shred(1) you'll realise it can work on a whole device too; but hey, never mind, toast away |
| 18:45.23 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: have you tried "apt-cache search nzb" yet? |
| 18:45.29 | bzed | Alam_Debian: what do you exactly want to do? just create a new partition table and install it again, or sell the disk? |
| 18:45.30 | Alam_Debian | "shred - overwrite a file to hide its contents, and optionally delete it" normal file or block file? |
| 18:45.39 | RvGaTe | jelly-home, no result |
| 18:45.50 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: I get some in etch |
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| 18:45.58 | bzed | !info nget |
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| 18:46.04 | xingu | Alam_Debian: "... the default is not to remove the files because it is common to operate on device files like /dev/hda ..." |
| 18:46.05 | dpkg | nget: (auto-resuming command line NNTP file grabber), section news, is optional. Version: 0.27.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 329 kB, Installed size: 772 kB |
| 18:46.06 | bzed | RvGaTe: ^^ |
| 18:46.13 | jelly-home | !info hellanzb etch |
| 18:46.16 | RvGaTe | bzed, fuunny, i was just installing that one :P |
| 18:46.17 | dpkg | hellanzb: (Newzbin (nzb) & BinNews (bns) files downloader and post-processor), section net, is optional. Version: 0.10-1 (etch), Packaged size: 159 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 18:46.22 | jelly-home | !info nzb etch |
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| 18:46.26 | raf256 | jesus |
| 18:46.27 | fasta | xingu: /winclose |
| 18:46.30 | dpkg | nzb: (An nzb based Usenet binary grabber), section net, is optional. Version: 0.1.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 106 kB, Installed size: 288 kB |
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| 18:46.40 | Disvroian | Hye i need help few time when i start my session i need to do a loadkeys for have the configuration of my keyboards else i have for example p is - someone know something about that ? |
| 18:46.58 | El-Reverendo | hello, my computer shut down in a powerdown and now i cant login because os cant write in home |
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| 18:47.00 | raf256 | why sylpheed-claws do not work in debian testing: downloading the same message over and over again? |
| 18:47.09 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: I bet they're simple enough so that you can backport them to stable. |
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| 18:47.18 | Alam_Debian | I just need to wipe this SD card (/dev/sda), the camera can't read or write to it anymore |
| 18:47.25 | sysfault | I'm going through the debian anti-aliasing howto, but all the examples assume you're using XFree86 (I'm using xorg), do you guys think i should just use the xorg counterparts? Is it likely to work accordingly? |
| 18:47.36 | RvGaTe | jelly-home, bzed just gave me the answer, im trying that now |
| 18:47.42 | bzed | Alam_Debian: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4096 |
| 18:47.53 | bzed | RvGaTe: they were all for you |
| 18:47.58 | bzed | RvGaTe: not only mine |
| 18:48.09 | Alam_Debian | no sudo? |
| 18:48.24 | bzed | Alam_Debian: are you on ubuntu? :P |
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| 18:48.37 | vn- | ok I just rebooted my debian and it's not answering (remotely) since 30minutes...whatcould cause this? |
| 18:48.45 | Alam_Debian | nope, sudo, su -c |
| 18:48.49 | bzed | Alam_Debian: you need to become root, yes. however you do that is your problem :P |
| 18:49.09 | El-Reverendo | hello, my computer shut down in a powerdown and now i cant login because os cant write in home, how can i fix this? |
| 18:49.13 | bzed | vn-: sorry, my glass bowl is not willing to answer |
| 18:49.27 | xingu | vn-: in the state yours was in - being halted, in single user mode, waiting for someone to tell it to agree to do high impact repairs to the filesystem |
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| 18:49.46 | vn- | ok thats what I thought |
| 18:49.50 | xingu | vn-: at which point you'd naturally go over to that physical console I keep banging on about. :) |
| 18:50.09 | bzed | vn-: or you start some rescue system which boots from net |
| 18:50.12 | vn- | well I'll see tomorrow when I'll call :\ |
| 18:50.22 | Alam_Debian | hmmm, my normal account is part of floppy ground and the /dev/sda's group is floppy, yea, no sudo needed... |
| 18:50.33 | xingu | see the thing is, assuming that everything I say is utter garbage is probably not a winning strategy |
| 18:50.47 | xingu | but hey! fire away, it's all training |
| 18:50.53 | bzed | raf256: grave? nooo, don't stop etch :P |
| 18:50.55 | vn- | no no, I do believe you, but in the circumstance... |
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| 18:51.11 | vn- | now I have no choice heh |
| 18:51.12 | raf256 | bzed: email clients fails to download emails.. seem quite grave to me |
| 18:51.14 | Disvroian | Hye i need help few time when i start my session i need to do a loadkeys for have the configuration of my keyboards else i have for example p is - |
| 18:51.28 | xingu | vn-: you never did really; when it comes back up, take a look at /etc/default/rcS |
| 18:51.31 | raf256 | bzed: more exacly: it downloads the same email(s) over and over and over again |
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| 18:51.33 | bzed | raf256: in 95% of the cases it's PEBCAK |
| 18:51.49 | vn- | S? |
| 18:51.49 | raf256 | bzed: check if you can confirm |
| 18:51.49 | jelly-home | bzed: it's his thing, let'im be ... sounds like a crappy client that needn;t to be in etch anyway |
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| 18:51.59 | xingu | vn-: and set FSCKFIX=yes; it's bloody dangerous, which is why the default policy is to not; but for your design, it's appropriate |
| 18:51.59 | bzed | raf256: give me some minutes |
| 18:52.11 | xingu | vn-: worst case your system flakes, reboots, and then eats its rootfs |
| 18:52.22 | xingu | vn-: but at which point you're still just as toast as you are otherwise. |
| 18:52.35 | xtknight | how do i monitor every file being accessed. i want to be Big Brother, actually just debugging what the heck my usb automount goes by when it puts the entry into mtab |
| 18:52.38 | vn- | mkay |
| 18:52.47 | vn- | and why is such fs corruption happening? |
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| 18:52.59 | vn- | I thought ext3 had no fragmentation |
| 18:53.07 | \amethyst | xtknight: both reads and writes? |
| 18:53.20 | vn- | well..e2fsck told me it was 10% fragmented |
| 18:53.22 | xingu | vn-: because something is seriously wrong; if you're running a 2.6.18 <= x <= 2.6.19.2 kernel, I can think of a real good reason |
| 18:53.26 | Disvroian | Hye i need help few time when i start my session i need to do a loadkeys for have the configuration of my keyboards else i have for example p is - |
| 18:53.32 | vn- | uhm |
| 18:53.33 | jelly-home | xtknight: every block access, or just open()s ? |
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| 18:53.53 | raf256 | bzed: sylpheed-claws-gtk2 2.6.0-1 |
| 18:54.13 | xtknight | jelly-home, opens(), to handles. \amethyst: could be iether i guess, just a list of files would guide me in the right direction |
| 18:54.19 | jelly-home | xtknight: for automount, you can just strace it |
| 18:54.19 | raf256 | jelly-home: it is ok if freshly installed email client downloads same message over and over again? |
| 18:54.29 | xtknight | jelly-home, what image would i be stracing? |
| 18:54.37 | vn- | I don't remember my kernel, I think its 2.6.8 |
| 18:54.44 | xtknight | vn-, uname -r |
| 18:54.51 | raf256 | so far it downloaded two emails, 20 times == 40 emails in inbox |
| 18:55.03 | jelly-home | xtknight: the running automount process I guess |
| 18:55.12 | vn- | xtknight: I'd like to see you doing so in my case, its entirely non-responsive remotely :p |
| 18:55.14 | xtknight | jelly-home, i think it's the autofs kernel module |
| 18:55.18 | xtknight | vn-, lol |
| 18:55.24 | xtknight | vn-, magic sysrq? |
| 18:55.39 | vn- | garbage fs I guess |
| 18:55.40 | jelly-home | xtknight: there are automount processes at the userspace side |
| 18:55.49 | xingu | xtknight: it's more likely to be hal |
| 18:55.57 | xtknight | hrm |
| 18:56.13 | xingu | xtknight: hal does exactly that out of the box; autofs would need to have been configured by you to do it. |
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| 18:56.51 | phaedral | someone tell me I'm doing the right thing putting testing on my laptop, please? |
| 18:57.02 | CBG | Do the grun, lilo and elilo stages of the "netinst" installation require an internet connection? |
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| 18:57.17 | xtknight | xingu, ok ill trace hal and see what conspires |
| 18:57.17 | Ind[y] | Hello. How do I make "sudo" to prompt for the root password? |
| 18:57.18 | bzed | raf256: works well for me |
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| 18:57.30 | bzed | Ind[y]: not at all, you use su or sux |
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| 18:58.04 | xingu | xtknight: calling path is ~likely to be - kernel hotplug event -> udev -> hal -> mount |
| 18:58.18 | raf256 | bzed: which version |
| 18:58.29 | bzed | raf256: the one in testing |
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| 18:58.44 | Disvroian | Hye i need help few time when i start my session i need to do a loadkeys for have the configuration of my keyboards else i have for example p is - |
| 18:58.44 | \amethyst | Ind[y]: you can set the rootpw flag in sudoers |
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| 18:58.54 | Ind[y] | Hello. How do I make "sudo" to prompt for the root password?k |
| 18:58.59 | Ind[y] | guest rootpw |
| 18:59.00 | Ind[y] | ? |
| 18:59.11 | xingu | Ind[y]: why on earth would you do that? |
| 18:59.11 | xtknight | xingu, pgrep hald...returns like 10 pids which should i trace? |
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| 18:59.31 | xingu | xtknight: pstree -p one of them. |
| 18:59.39 | xingu | xtknight: all will be revealed. |
| 18:59.54 | vn- | well thanks a lot xingu, I'll keep you informed of the devlopments ;) |
| 18:59.55 | xtknight | ah gotcha ─hald(5139) this looks like the parent proc |
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| 19:00.28 | xingu | vn-: today, you learnt why people implement systems in remote datacenters in pairs |
| 19:00.31 | xingu | vn-: :) |
| 19:01.25 | Disvroian | Hye i need help few time when i start my session i need to do a loadkeys for have the configuration of my keyboards else i have for example p is - |
| 19:01.26 | xtknight | xingu, sure enough. strace hald. plug in usb key. diarrhea ensues |
| 19:01.34 | xingu | !win xingu |
| 19:01.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, xingu! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 19:01.39 | xingu | w00t! |
| 19:02.04 | xingu | !prize me |
| 19:02.10 | xtknight | dont get too excited |
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| 19:02.29 | \amethyst | Intensity_: Defaults rootpw |
| 19:02.33 | \amethyst | err |
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| 19:02.49 | vn- | xingu: well I know it's for failover, but its not a business server (yet) so... |
| 19:02.52 | raf256 | !win me |
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| 19:02.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, raf256! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 19:03.11 | vn- | I don't want to win, I have enough of those |
| 19:03.14 | vn- | maybe 2-3 thoudands |
| 19:03.17 | vn- | -d+s |
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| 19:03.32 | Disvroian | Hye i need help few time when i start my session i need to do a loadkeys for have the configuration of my keyboards else i have for example p is - |
| 19:03.43 | kepht | /etc/modutils/* is obsoleted, yes? |
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| 19:04.01 | dvs | kepht: with etch it is. |
| 19:04.32 | kepht | i'm using (testing), why are some updates still writing to there? ..instead of only modprobe.d ? |
| 19:04.41 | dancek | When I create a new file (e.g. vi foo), how is the group (as in chgrp) of the file decided? |
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| 19:05.28 | xtknight | dancek, probably the group of the parent dir |
| 19:05.38 | \amethyst | kepht: some (e.g. alsa-base) still do in sid :) |
| 19:05.43 | xingu | dancek: current group; see "id" |
| 19:05.54 | xingu | dancek: if you want a different group, change your current group via newgrp. |
| 19:06.07 | dancek | xingu: thanks |
| 19:06.17 | kepht | yeah, it is with alsa-base, have to double check what gets modified and where, or i lose sound |
| 19:06.24 | xingu | dancek: fsgid I thing, might be fsegid |
| 19:06.29 | xingu | s/thing/think/ |
| 19:07.25 | \amethyst | kepht: if you're using module-init-tools, you need to modify the one in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 19:07.26 | dancek | xingu: hmm... the problem is, i don't have permissions to use newgrp |
| 19:07.42 | kepht | \amethyst: yes, i know |
| 19:07.58 | dancek | i'm doing this on a remote host... of course i can just chgrp afterwards but that's not the unix way imho |
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| 19:08.15 | \amethyst | dancek: are you a member of the group? |
| 19:08.19 | kepht | \amethyst: i was just wondering why updates keep creating the modutils tree for alsa-base |
| 19:08.25 | dancek | \amethyst: yes, of course |
| 19:08.33 | xingu | dancek: the group is probably locked in gshadow |
| 19:08.33 | \amethyst | kepht: so the same package works for 2.4 kernels too :) |
| 19:08.51 | \amethyst | I guess |
| 19:08.51 | kepht | mmmmkay.. |
| 19:09.01 | raf256 | bzed: ok thanks |
| 19:09.21 | jelly-home | dancek: you could make your own wrapper for setgid() |
| 19:09.35 | xingu | dancek: also try "sg" |
| 19:09.50 | xingu | aah, still uses gshadow passwd |
| 19:09.51 | dancek | actually, it turns out that /usr/bin/newgrp is owned by root:root and 750 |
| 19:09.52 | xingu | oh well |
| 19:10.04 | dancek | jelly-home, xingu: i'll try those |
| 19:10.07 | xingu | dancek: yes, the password it's prompting for is the group password in /etc/gshadow |
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| 19:10.16 | ramattack | hi everybody |
| 19:10.16 | jelly-home | sg is a symlink to newgrp here |
| 19:10.21 | xingu | dancek: obviously if it's locked, you're fubar. |
| 19:10.21 | \amethyst | dancek: err, newgrp should be setuid shouldn't it? |
| 19:10.28 | ramattack | why could be that compiz hangs when returning from console? |
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| 19:11.18 | dancek | \amethyst: i mean i don't have rights to execute it |
| 19:11.46 | dancek | and /usr/bin/sg is a symlink to newgrp so it doesn't help either. oh well. |
| 19:11.52 | dancek | thanks for help anyways. |
| 19:12.10 | BUMBACL0T_ | hey, when backporting something, can i just install the .deb from http://debian.org/pool/main ? |
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| 19:12.20 | BUMBACL0T_ | what else do i need to do? |
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| 19:13.04 | xingu | dancek: try; chgrp desiredgroup thedirectory; chmod g+s thedirectory |
| 19:13.07 | Doat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.08 | Doat | Pelipisteet saisivat olla paremmat siten että niissä olisi parhaan pelimukavuuden takaamiseksi stepmania + groove 2.2a tai ITG-pc pohja. |
| 19:13.12 | xingu | dancek: see how that works out for you |
| 19:13.16 | Doat | oooops |
| 19:13.30 | Doat | accidental middleclick ;E |
| 19:13.39 | xingu | yeah yeah, that's what they all say |
| 19:13.50 | jelly-home | dancek: here's what I did: copied a shell (I use zsh) to my $HOME, chgrp some-group zsh, chmod g+s some-group zsh, then execute it |
| 19:13.55 | dancek | xingu: hey, that works... thanks |
| 19:13.59 | xingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xingu complains about: doat drunk at the wheel again |
| 19:14.00 | CBG | I'll ask again in case nobody heard me earlier... Do the grub, lilo and elilo stages of the "netinst" installation require an internet connection? |
| 19:14.03 | xingu | oops. |
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| 19:14.11 | Disvroian | Hye i need help few time when i start my session i need to do a loadkeys for have the configuration of my keyboards else i have for example p is - |
| 19:14.23 | dancek | i did chgrp before but was too dumb to chmod g+s |
| 19:14.52 | xingu | um how does one tactfully undo something liek that? |
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| 19:15.36 | Doat | xingu: lol |
| 19:15.45 | dvs | xingu: ban you! ;-) |
| 19:15.50 | stevepastelan | hi friends |
| 19:15.57 | stevepastelan | I'm having trouble with Russian input |
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| 19:16.04 | stevepastelan | I installed the xruskb package |
| 19:16.11 | stevepastelan | and rtfm'd |
| 19:16.18 | stevepastelan | but it doesn't work: |
| 19:16.21 | stevepastelan | :(( |
| 19:16.26 | BUMBACL0T | hey, when backporting something, can i just install the .deb from http://debian.org/pool/main ? |
| 19:16.43 | mr_pink_ | whois helix |
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| 19:17.35 | Eulex | how would I make tar stay on the current file system? --one-file-system doesn't seem to work |
| 19:17.36 | dancek | BUMBACL0T: what exactly are you trying to do and how? |
| 19:17.40 | pstickne | How can I reconfigure my network interfaces without editing /etc/network/interfaces and the like? |
| 19:17.45 | stevepastelan | Q: I cannot input russian letters. |
| 19:17.46 | stevepastelan | A: There can be several reasons. If you use *-cyr key map, then it is important to have a recent version of XFree86 and proper localization, that is LC_CTYPE=ru_RU.KOI8-R, and XFree86 should be able to recognize the charset. On some versions of glibc is is needed to add a locale alias to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/locale.alias, a line containing |
| 19:17.52 | jelly-home | Eulex: works for me! |
| 19:17.53 | stevepastelan | ru_RU.koi8r ru_RU.KOI8-R |
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| 19:18.11 | stevepastelan | where do I set this LC_CTYPE? |
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| 19:18.14 | Disvroian | pstickne : wifiradar or search something like laptop-net |
| 19:18.15 | BUMBACL0T | dancek, you know sarge's applications are outdated right? so what im trying to do is backport firefox |
| 19:18.23 | Eulex | jelly-home, oh, seems like I misunderstood it, saw my mistake when I read the description again |
| 19:18.28 | pstickne | Disvroian, no, no, just wired :p |
| 19:18.33 | Disvroian | pstickne: or network manager |
| 19:18.56 | pstickne | no standard deb-install-like-configure? |
| 19:18.58 | dancek | BUMBACL0T: if you try to install the one from testing/unstable, it'll pull a lot of libraries with it so it probably won't work |
| 19:19.00 | Eulex | what I'd like is it to only put files from one partition into the created tar file |
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| 19:19.14 | BUMBACL0T | dancek, im trying to backport |
| 19:19.15 | jelly-home | Eulex: have you told it to tar * in root, * expanding to other fs mountpoints? ;-) |
| 19:19.36 | Eulex | jelly-home, yes. |
| 19:19.37 | dancek | BUMBACL0T: as in compile yourself? |
| 19:19.45 | jelly-home | Eulex: that's a mistake I usually do, 's why I'm asking |
| 19:19.48 | BUMBACL0T | dancek, no, install .deb from backport.org |
| 19:20.03 | BUMBACL0T | as in installing .debs from backport.org |
| 19:20.11 | xingu | stevepastelan: try /etc/default/locale |
| 19:20.11 | Disvroian | pstickne: did you try network manager |
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| 19:20.24 | pstickne | Disvroian, it's not about |
| 19:20.25 | Disvroian | it s installed by default on debian |
| 19:20.28 | dancek | BUMBACL0T: well then you should install it from there, yes. in your original question you said something about debian.org |
| 19:20.33 | pstickne | Disvroian, exec name? |
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| 19:20.44 | jelly-home | Eulex: tar . instead of *, that way shell won't expand * and tar will take care of not traversing where you don't want it to |
| 19:20.55 | Eulex | jelly-home, ah |
| 19:20.55 | fatso | Debian sucks since it needs an internet connection during the bootloader portion of the netinst |
| 19:21.11 | dancek | BUMBACL0T: also, reas instructions at http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 19:21.16 | dancek | *read |
| 19:21.22 | Disvroian | pstickne: what do you want to say by exec name ? |
| 19:21.34 | BUMBACL0T | dancek, i said http://backports.org/debian/pool/main |
| 19:21.35 | rhsanborn | I have two disks on my win box. They are both formatted with ntfs. I just tried to use the deb installer to partition one of the drivess so that there is enough room for deb. Anyone think that that will be a pro? |
| 19:21.36 | pstickne | What is the name of the executable, I can't find it ^^ |
| 19:21.36 | jelly-home | Eulex: or expand the * with tab (if your shell can do that) and delete other mountpoints manually |
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| 19:22.30 | xingu | Eulex: if you use the "." trick you may also need to use --strip-components to drop the leading ./ from the archived filenames |
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| 19:22.42 | dancek | fatso: it's more constructive to ask a proper question or file a proper bugreport than tell us that debian sucks |
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| 19:22.52 | Disvroian | pstickne: network-admin |
| 19:23.06 | Eulex | jelly-home, thank you, . seems to be working well. I didn't know * was expanded by the shell, you learn something new every day |
| 19:23.12 | jelly-home | xingu: eh, if debian packages can have ./ in the paths, I can live with it too ;-) |
| 19:23.13 | Eulex | xingu, oh, that one will come in handy |
| 19:23.31 | fatso | Do you mean that an internet connection is NOT required for the bootloader portion of the netinst ? |
| 19:23.33 | stevepastelan | ty xingu |
| 19:23.38 | Trewas | ok, the lazy option to udf writing I asked some time ago was nero linux... open source programs seemed to require more manual tuning than I was interested to do |
| 19:23.53 | dvs | fatso: no, you can install a very basic system without the internet. |
| 19:23.54 | jelly-home | Eulex: ya. unlike DOS, which lets the app deal with * |
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| 19:24.09 | dancek | BUMBACL0T: why don't you scroll up a bit and see what you said. well anyways the instructions at http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions should get you going |
| 19:24.16 | dvs | fatso: now businessiso DOES need an internet connection |
| 19:24.16 | fatso | dvs: including grub, lilo and elilo ? |
| 19:24.46 | dvs | fatso: I'm pretty sure about grub and lilo |
| 19:25.28 | BUMBACL0T | dancek, lol |
| 19:25.30 | BUMBACL0T | my fault |
| 19:25.32 | Disvroian | pstickne: is it correct ? |
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| 19:25.50 | xingu | Eulex: actually from the looks of things that'll only work on extractoin... instead you need... --transform='s|^\./\(.*\)|\1|' |
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| 19:26.41 | glaucon2 | hey, debian sarge is giving me the wrong local time... any fixes? |
| 19:26.54 | Eulex | xingu, yeah, I'm already quite a bit into it, so I'll have to deal with that when extracting |
| 19:26.55 | dvs | !topicsmite glaucon2 |
| 19:26.55 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon glaucon2. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:26.59 | rhsanborn | ...Either my disk is being properly partitioned, or it's being eaten ;p no progress bar... I'm a little nervous |
| 19:27.00 | jelly-home | Eulex: so some apps that come from DOS expand * by themselves too, like if you want to unzip multiple *.zip files, you do unzip '*.zip' or \*.zip |
| 19:27.03 | h3xis | glaucon2, check out ntp |
| 19:27.27 | Disvroian | glaucon2: right click on the hour and correctly |
| 19:28.20 | xingu | Trewas: yuck. :) |
| 19:28.47 | fatso | dvs: thanks for the help |
| 19:28.54 | dvs | no prob |
| 19:28.54 | glaucon2 | ty |
| 19:28.56 | BUMBACL0T | backports is nice |
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| 19:28.57 | BUMBACL0T | :) |
| 19:29.25 | Disvroian | glaucon2: what does it mean ty ???? |
| 19:29.26 | Eulex | jelly-home, ok |
| 19:29.33 | dvs | !ty |
| 19:29.34 | dpkg | from memory, ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player, or the company that creates Beanie Babies(TM) |
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| 19:30.10 | glaucon2 | hmmm |
| 19:30.16 | Disvroian | dpkg: OK thanks a lot never i see that |
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| 19:30.46 | Eulex | !bot |
| 19:30.47 | fatso | Yes, I am a bot. Okay? |
| 19:30.47 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 19:31.06 | Trewas | xingu: heh, too bad no GUI burner (k3b and gnomebaker at least) seems to support writing udf disks, even though it might have been doable from CLI |
| 19:31.10 | Eulex | fatso, owner? |
| 19:31.32 | Disvroian | Hye i need help few time when i start my session i need to do a loadkeys for have the configuration of my keyboards else i have for example p is - |
| 19:31.33 | zamuro | fatso: kiss me |
| 19:31.37 | dvs | heh |
| 19:32.03 | Eulex | whose bot is fatso? |
| 19:32.09 | stevepastelan | xingu: it worked flawlessly :D:D |
| 19:32.21 | xingu | good-o. |
| 19:32.22 | stevepastelan | I think :) |
| 19:32.26 | CBG | !help |
| 19:32.26 | fatso | CBG: My current commands are: help, ping, time, hi, hey, hello, lart, say, 8ball, hug, coin/toss/flip, russian/roulette, wikicount, rss, part, join, kick, ban, unban, invite, op, deop, voice, devoice, quit, nick and msg. I can be addressed with a single exclamation mark (!), an asterisk (*) or my name followed by either a colon and a space (fatso: ), a comma and a space (fatso, ), or just a space (fatso ). My owner is CBG. |
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| 19:32.41 | stevepastelan | can't tell yet, because it's SOME kind of russian, but the fonts are missing heh |
| 19:32.46 | BUMBACL0T | is backports bad for your system? |
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| 19:33.20 | xingu | stevepastelan: perhaps it's the incoherent kind of russian ;) |
| 19:33.46 | dancek | BUMBACL0T: might be if you install a lot of backported packages. shouldn't be if you install just a few |
| 19:33.58 | xingu | stevepastelan: maybe it challenged a georgian to a vodka drinking competition. :) |
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| 19:34.25 | stevepastelan | lol atm it's the invisible kind of russian |
| 19:34.26 | dvs | xingu: my bet is on the person from Atlanta! ;-) |
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| 19:35.22 | JoshJ | So, I'm looking for a laptop cooling pad. I know that a lot of them use USB stuff- do I need to look for any specific ones so that I know it works on Debian or will they all "just work" by plugging in the USB port? |
| 19:35.56 | BUMBACL0T | dancek, i just backported mozilla-firefox from 1.0.4 to 1.5 |
| 19:36.01 | xingu | JoshJ: lapinator.com; no fans involved apart from your notebook's own. |
| 19:36.36 | JoshJ | eh... i'd prefer one with fans |
| 19:36.38 | ofer0 | http://debaday.debian.net/ |
| 19:36.45 | ofer0 | really cool website. |
| 19:37.15 | JoshJ | i'm not trying to keep my desk cool, i'm trying to keep my computer cool |
| 19:37.21 | dancek | BUMBACL0T: weird... that's still quite an old version. guess that's the price for using stable |
| 19:37.30 | JoshJ | though i guess if it acts as a heat sink it'll do that too |
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| 19:38.04 | BUMBACL0T | dancek, i think it depends on what package you install |
| 19:38.21 | BUMBACL0T | LOL |
| 19:38.30 | BUMBACL0T | even backports is OUTDATED |
| 19:38.35 | xingu | JoshJ: the notebook should keep itself cool if the vents are unobstructed; the fan fed ones are mostly useless, but to each their own; in answer to your q, most of them are totally passive, just wired to power |
| 19:38.35 | BUMBACL0T | WTF is going on? |
| 19:38.53 | JoshJ | xingu, allright |
| 19:38.55 | xingu | JoshJ: so they'll reduce your total power budget, but apart from that they're os independant |
| 19:39.07 | JoshJ | the reason mine is overheating is that debian doesn't support speedstep on my cpu |
| 19:39.13 | xingu | what cpu? |
| 19:39.18 | JoshJ | pentium 4 |
| 19:39.28 | JoshJ | cpu governor: not supported |
| 19:39.29 | JoshJ | Temperature: 68 degrees C |
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| 19:39.31 | JoshJ | (from yacpi) |
| 19:39.37 | JoshJ | often gets up over 70 |
| 19:39.44 | xingu | feel like pasting /proc/cpuinfo somewhere? |
| 19:39.47 | JoshJ | i've got it propped up on some junk right now |
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| 19:40.21 | JoshJ | well, sure, but i've been in here before with the problem, i just finally broke down and decided to get a pad :p |
| 19:40.35 | JoshJ | http://rafb.net/p/Y5K3E659.html |
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| 19:40.49 | xingu | yep, but you've got me interested, and I blew a little karma a few minutes back, so I gotta make it up. :) |
| 19:40.55 | JoshJ | lol |
| 19:41.03 | JoshJ | i heard that the 2.6.20 kernel might help |
| 19:41.08 | JoshJ | but i'm not compiling it manually -_- |
| 19:41.17 | JoshJ | when sid gets 2.6.20 i'll upgrade from etch to sid |
| 19:41.42 | xingu | JoshJ: are you running amd64 or i386? |
| 19:41.50 | JoshJ | i386 obv |
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| 19:42.00 | dvs | P4 |
| 19:42.04 | JoshJ | don't see why i'd run amd64 on a pentium 4... |
| 19:42.16 | JoshJ | ~$ uname -r |
| 19:42.18 | JoshJ | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:42.22 | xingu | it's pni capable fyi. |
| 19:42.24 | wols | cause some P4 can do EMT64 which is AMD64 in debian |
| 19:42.31 | xingu | like his one. :) |
| 19:42.38 | xingu | hence the question |
| 19:42.43 | xingu | but I digress |
| 19:42.47 | JoshJ | heh |
| 19:42.51 | xingu | that makes it a xeon technically I guess |
| 19:42.56 | JoshJ | no |
| 19:43.03 | wols | xingu: no. a presshot |
| 19:43.05 | JoshJ | it's a p4 |
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| 19:43.31 | JoshJ | like i said, i've already been in here about the problem, and the answer was basically that the kernel doesn't support speedstep and i just finally got around to looking into cooling pads and wanted to be sure they'd work on debian |
| 19:43.32 | dvs | JoshJ: which model? |
| 19:43.39 | dury | hi there |
| 19:43.42 | JoshJ | hp pavilion zd8000, circa 2005 :) |
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| 19:43.48 | dury | channel |
| 19:43.49 | JoshJ | completely top of the line at the time |
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| 19:44.16 | dury | :) |
| 19:44.29 | JoshJ | now just sadly less than mediocre |
| 19:44.53 | dury | what's the package to install the driver for soundcard sound blaster 16 |
| 19:45.01 | xingu | JoshJ: p4ee? |
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| 19:45.13 | dury | in vesa slot |
| 19:45.14 | wols | dury: it's part of the kernel |
| 19:45.16 | JoshJ | hang on, i'll find the exact model :p |
| 19:45.21 | dvs | ... |
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| 19:45.31 | wols | it's a driver after all |
| 19:45.54 | wols | JoshJ: it was never top of the line. it's a desktop cpu in a notebook |
| 19:46.07 | JoshJ | wols, that's what i was wanting |
| 19:46.09 | dury | in featherlinux th Soundcard works |
| 19:46.16 | JoshJ | i wanted more power, not the battery life |
| 19:46.19 | Darkarix | how do you open this site: www.mapleglobal.com?? |
| 19:46.24 | dury | but in sarge 3.1 doesn't |
| 19:46.38 | robin_sz | so, just to confirm ... |
| 19:46.56 | JoshJ | xingu, not an ee |
| 19:47.04 | wols | Darkarix: change your user agent string |
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| 19:47.09 | robin_sz | the daily/weekly built Etch netinstalls work fine, it only the older RC1 that is broken by the key expiry, right? |
| 19:47.18 | JoshJ | robin_sz, yes |
| 19:47.21 | robin_sz | thanks |
| 19:47.23 | dvs | robin_sz: right |
| 19:47.28 | Darkarix | wols:cool |
| 19:47.29 | JoshJ | i used the weekly etch install from 2/21 :) |
| 19:47.35 | xand | Darkarix: don't use it |
| 19:47.35 | dury | wols: what's wrong with this soundcard doesn't work |
| 19:47.37 | Darkarix | wols:I'm trying |
| 19:47.39 | Azar | heh nice, the "Debian Package of the Day" has been /.-ed |
| 19:47.39 | xingu | JoshJ: well the good news is 2.6.20.2 lists that as a mp4ht_e0 |
| 19:47.44 | stevepastelan | xingu: or anyone, unfortunately, my X does not display russian characters correctly.. it looks like vowels with diacritic marks |
| 19:47.50 | xingu | JoshJ: and I'm pretty sure it is an EE. :) |
| 19:47.52 | Darkarix | xand:why? |
| 19:47.52 | wols | Darkarix: Uagent switcher extension for ffox |
| 19:47.56 | JoshJ | no xingu |
| 19:47.59 | JoshJ | i looked up the ee |
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| 19:48.06 | xand | Darkarix: because they're too retarded to write proper websites? |
| 19:48.08 | JoshJ | the ee has a logo on the side of the sticker that says ee |
| 19:48.15 | JoshJ | and this one doesn't :p |
| 19:48.28 | dury | can't play mp3 files through xmms |
| 19:48.35 | Darkarix | wols:ook |
| 19:48.39 | stevepastelan | I have Russian fonts installed though.. |
| 19:48.42 | stevepastelan | maybe they're the wrong ones |
| 19:48.45 | Darkarix | wols:xand:ty |
| 19:48.48 | stevepastelan | does Debian support UTF? |
| 19:48.54 | xand | yes. |
| 19:48.55 | stevepastelan | (unicode) |
| 19:49.38 | Azar | stevepastelan: when you installed did you set your locales to cyrilic? |
| 19:50.02 | stevepastelan | azar: I don't believe that I did |
| 19:50.14 | Azar | stevepastelan: so you have chosen english? |
| 19:50.22 | stevepastelan | yes |
| 19:50.31 | pstickne | does anyone know of a program to generate waveforms and send them to the soundcard? |
| 19:50.42 | Azar | stevepastelan: I guess that why, I am not sure if the right command is : dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:50.50 | stevepastelan | i'll try that |
| 19:51.39 | stevepastelan | I don't really need (or want) to change the language of the whole system |
| 19:51.39 | Azar | wols, is dpkg-reconfigure locales the right command? |
| 19:51.50 | stevepastelan | just gain the ability to display and input Russian text |
| 19:52.04 | stevepastelan | preferably with Unicode (because it plays well with everything in my experience) |
| 19:52.07 | Azar | stevepastelan: see if you get any choice on dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 19:52.24 | glaucon2 | libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 is required to fix daylight savings time, yet i have 2.3.5-13 and my daylight savings time is wrong, any idea what i'm missing? |
| 19:52.29 | Azar | ... or xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:52.35 | stevepastelan | i'll try that too |
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| 19:52.50 | stevepastelan | I'm using Xvnc if that makes any difference |
| 19:52.54 | Azar | glaucon2: did you update/upgrade recently? |
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| 19:53.22 | glaucon2 | Azar: i can't get any newer version... apt-get says that is the latest |
| 19:53.39 | glaucon2 | Azar: and i have rebooted to see if that would fix it :D |
| 19:53.43 | stevepastelan | Generating locales...\n en_US.ISO-8859-1... done\n ru_RU.ISO-8859-5... done\n ru_RU.KOI8-R... done\n ru_RU.UTF-8... done |
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| 19:53.48 | pickcoder | JoshJ: is the p4_clockmod loaded? |
| 19:53.52 | Azar | glaucon2: is your system set to UTC via ntp ? |
| 19:53.52 | bws42 | glaucon2 how about your tzdata package? |
| 19:53.54 | stevepastelan | that's the result of dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:54.04 | JoshJ | pickcoder, uh... where would i check? |
| 19:54.17 | glaucon2 | i'm using debian sarge, so no tzdata, just updated in libc |
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| 19:54.35 | stevepastelan | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is not installed |
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| 19:54.46 | Azar | stevepastelan: try the xserver configuration see if you get any way to set your locales on it |
| 19:54.49 | stevepastelan | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is not installed |
| 19:54.57 | simonrvn | so install it |
| 19:55.02 | Darkarix | wols: It doesn't works |
| 19:55.05 | Azar | stevepastelan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 then |
| 19:55.07 | glaucon2 | my system doesn't use utc... but it syncs to one that does |
| 19:55.13 | stevepastelan | azar: the same thing for both |
| 19:55.26 | Azar | stevepastelan: so you do not have X installed? |
| 19:55.30 | Darkarix | wols: I try with the extension on Iceweasel |
| 19:55.31 | pickcoder | JoshJ: lsmod | grep p4_clockmod |
| 19:55.31 | dury | wols: available |
| 19:55.39 | JoshJ | no |
| 19:55.41 | Darkarix | wols: but it dosn't work |
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| 19:56.04 | pickcoder | JoshJ: try modprobe p4_clockmod |
| 19:56.07 | stevepastelan | Azar: I just installed the vncserver package with aptitude |
| 19:56.15 | wols | Darkarix: then I guess you'd need wine+IE or whatever |
| 19:56.17 | pickcoder | which power scaling app are you using? |
| 19:56.20 | stevepastelan | Mister sarge took care of the rest for me :) |
| 19:56.22 | JoshJ | pickcoder, none |
| 19:56.25 | JoshJ | that's the problem :) |
| 19:56.27 | Darkarix | a ok |
| 19:56.31 | pickcoder | try powernowd |
| 19:56.33 | Darkarix | wols: a o |
| 19:56.35 | JoshJ | i've tried |
| 19:56.37 | JoshJ | it's no good |
| 19:56.38 | stevepastelan | Azar: do I need xserver? |
| 19:56.44 | JoshJ | the 2.6.18 kernel doesn't support it :( |
| 19:56.47 | phaedral | crossing fingers...and kicking off etch install on dualboot laptop |
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| 19:56.59 | Azar | stevepastelan: please use a paster and paste what you see on : ls /etc/X11 directory |
| 19:57.03 | Darkarix | wols: first i'll try to change user-agent by about:config |
| 19:57.15 | JoshJ | cpufreq is the issue |
| 19:57.27 | wols | ua switcher has some predefined ones IIRC |
| 19:57.27 | xingu | JoshJ: aaaanyway; what actually happens when you modprobe speedstep-centrino? it shouldn't be too hard to add in your family(15)/model(4)/mask(3) |
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| 19:57.47 | JoshJ | FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device |
| 19:58.06 | robin_sz | hmmm ... I just plugged in a camera .. cute box popped up and said "do you want to import the photos" ... yes I said .. then nothing! .. .no activity on the camera ... ideas? |
| 19:58.12 | xingu | JoshJ: ok so that's the error path; in the source tree, edit arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq-centrino.c |
| 19:58.13 | Ankman | !lastsopke piper69 |
| 19:58.23 | saint-takeshi | anyone know how to get fglrx to use a higher version of openGL? |
| 19:58.26 | JoshJ | ...wha? |
| 19:58.30 | simonrvn | Ankman: !seen |
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| 19:58.31 | Ankman | well it was a success with the WPC card |
| 19:58.32 | JoshJ | i'm not about to hack my kernel dude :( |
| 19:58.33 | stevepastelan | Azar can I paste it in #flood? |
| 19:58.39 | Azar | !paster |
| 19:58.40 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:58.40 | Ankman | !seen piper69 |
| 19:58.41 | dpkg | piper69 is currently on #debian (1h 43m 10s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 1h 15m 5s, last said: 'xingu: i just installed sshd and when i type sshd start i get sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path'. |
| 19:58.41 | wols | saint-takeshi: higher version? |
| 19:58.52 | Azar | stevepastelan: use the paster site given by dpkg |
| 19:59.00 | stevepastelan | http://rafb.net/p/uZ9pjN96.html |
| 19:59.07 | stevepastelan | err |
| 19:59.08 | xingu | JoshJ: pah; 2.6.20.2 supports 15,4,1 but that's not you, that's a different model; it also has speedstep-acpi which might work in a pinch. |
| 19:59.08 | stevepastelan | sorry |
| 19:59.09 | piper | Ankman: check your pm |
| 19:59.13 | Azar | stevepastelan: its ok |
| 19:59.17 | Ankman | but now after activag wlan i assumed he would kic=k his eth connection |
| 19:59.20 | JoshJ | ah, ok |
| 19:59.20 | Ankman | ah |
| 19:59.25 | JoshJ | i'll look into it when it gets into sid |
| 19:59.26 | Ankman | logged in again? |
| 19:59.34 | piper | yessssssss |
| 19:59.36 | saint-takeshi | yeah, my card supports openGL 1.4, but for some reason it's version 1.3.1091 |
| 19:59.37 | Ankman | cannot see it |
| 19:59.48 | piper | oh |
| 20:00.01 | xingu | JoshJ: in your shoes I'd send the maintainer a mail - that part is rare enough it might never make it into mainline unless you do. |
| 20:00.01 | wols | saint-takeshi: are you sure it's ati's opengl and not mesa? |
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| 20:00.11 | stevepastelan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5689 |
| 20:00.15 | JoshJ | xingu, the maintainer for... what, the kernel? |
| 20:00.19 | JoshJ | or for speedstep-acpi? |
| 20:00.23 | saint-takeshi | OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc. |
| 20:00.23 | saint-takeshi | OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9200 Series DDR Generic |
| 20:00.23 | saint-takeshi | OpenGL version string: 1.3.1091 (X4.3.0-8.28.8) |
| 20:00.27 | Azar | stevepastelan: ok questions to you : 1. What Debian version you use? 2. What kernel version ? 3. What video card? Nvidia? ATI? |
| 20:00.34 | piper | Ankman: it works |
| 20:00.39 | xingu | JoshJ: cpufreq; cpufreq@lists.linux.org.uk, http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/projects/cpufreq/ |
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| 20:00.49 | Ankman | :-) |
| 20:00.54 | wols | saint-takeshi: get a newer fglrx driver then |
| 20:00.57 | JoshJ | ok |
| 20:01.02 | wols | saint-takeshi: update to etch maybe |
| 20:01.04 | Ankman | we still need to make it automatically |
| 20:01.06 | JoshJ | shoudl i send an e-mail to the list |
| 20:01.06 | JoshJ | ? |
| 20:01.09 | piper | i am using it right now , thank you very very very much man i really appreciate this |
| 20:01.13 | xingu | JoshJ: they'll probably want at least /proc/cpuinfo and cpuid output |
| 20:01.15 | piper | cool |
| 20:01.17 | Ankman | driver won't load and configure after boot |
| 20:01.17 | JoshJ | k |
| 20:01.19 | saint-takeshi | using etch/sid |
| 20:01.24 | JoshJ | i'll send it off then go to the store |
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| 20:01.28 | xingu | JoshJ: I reckon it wouldn't hurt... |
| 20:01.40 | wols | saint-takeshi: I don't believe you. you use xfree86 4.3 it seems |
| 20:01.50 | robin_sz | hmmm ... I just plugged in a camera .. cute box popped up and said "do you want to import the photos" ... yes I said .. then nothing! .. .no activity on the camera ... ideas? could it be trying to addimages to an album I dont have? |
| 20:01.57 | robin_sz | how can I debug it? |
| 20:02.08 | saint-takeshi | uhm...as far as i'm aware i use xorg 7.1 |
| 20:02.10 | wols | robin_sz: is it mass storage |
| 20:02.12 | wols | ? |
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| 20:02.20 | robin_sz | dotn think so |
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| 20:02.39 | robin_sz | it obviously runs some auto hotplug thing as I usb plug it in |
| 20:02.42 | wols | saint-takeshi: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 20:02.42 | xingu | JoshJ: it definitely supports it, the "est" cpu flag says so. :) |
| 20:02.49 | wols | saint-takeshi: and maybe check your fglrx version too |
| 20:02.49 | stevepastelan | Azar: 1). Sarge (stable) 2). Just upgraded to 2.6 3). Let me check.. |
| 20:02.51 | JoshJ | ah |
| 20:02.59 | Ankman | piper: your o ther connection justed timed out :-) |
| 20:03.01 | JoshJ | bash: cpuid: command not found |
| 20:03.02 | stevepastelan | Azar: I'm going to have to google it |
| 20:03.03 | JoshJ | er... |
| 20:03.03 | Azar | stevepastelan: the paste you showed me is not good: exit the directory you were at and do again : ls /etc/X11 from your username |
| 20:03.10 | xingu | JoshJ: apt-get install... |
| 20:03.15 | JoshJ | k |
| 20:03.20 | JoshJ | was just checking :p |
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| 20:04.40 | stevepastelan | ok let me redo the paste |
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| 20:04.51 | Azar | ok |
| 20:04.52 | JoshJ | allright ,sent them the e-mail and I'm going to head to the store now |
| 20:04.55 | stevepastelan | 3). video card should be elsa synergy ii |
| 20:04.57 | JoshJ | hanks for the help anyway |
| 20:05.03 | JoshJ | *thanks |
| 20:05.06 | stevepastelan | or elsa gloria |
| 20:05.06 | xingu | JoshJ: you've got crummy timing, another half year or so and you could've bought a nice natty merom :) |
| 20:05.08 | stevepastelan | one of the two |
| 20:05.11 | JoshJ | haha |
| 20:05.18 | piper69 | Ankman: pm |
| 20:05.21 | Azar | stevepastelan: ok, I think you have X installed I just want to see what your /etc/X11 shows |
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| 20:05.25 | damog | c |
| 20:05.47 | stevepastelan | :) |
| 20:05.47 | JoshJ | and another year or so and i could have got a dualcore xeon |
| 20:05.47 | JoshJ | such is moore's law :p |
| 20:05.50 | JoshJ | gotta buy the computer *sometime* |
| 20:06.01 | JoshJ | and "before you head off to college" is a good time |
| 20:06.08 | xingu | nah |
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| 20:06.21 | xingu | "just before the old one smokes it" is the best time |
| 20:06.26 | JoshJ | well i didn't have an "old one" |
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| 20:06.56 | JoshJ | my next compy will be a desktop system |
| 20:07.07 | JoshJ | the only reason i have a laptop is it's easier to go back-and-forth from school and home with one |
| 20:07.10 | stevepastelan | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5690 |
| 20:07.15 | JoshJ | not because i carry it to classes or anything |
| 20:07.26 | JoshJ | which is why i got a "desktop replacement" style processor etc |
| 20:08.32 | Azar | wtf? you got xserver but does not say if is xorg or xfree86? |
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| 20:08.57 | ramattack | hi |
| 20:09.31 | stevepastelan | I think it's neither |
| 20:09.34 | stevepastelan | it's Xvnc |
| 20:09.38 | simonrvn | vnc is neither |
| 20:09.41 | ramattack | does anybody occur that compiz hangs when he returns for one console, wanted to say ctrl+alt+f2 for example and going to ctrl+alt+f7 hang |
| 20:09.43 | stevepastelan | I don't have the xserver package at all I don't think |
| 20:09.51 | JoshJ | ramattack, doesn't hang for me |
| 20:10.04 | ramattack | I have a 64 mb graphic card |
| 20:10.09 | ramattack | could something with that? |
| 20:10.13 | Azar | stevepastelan: well hell |
| 20:10.19 | JoshJ | graphics card is a good place to start looking |
| 20:10.25 | Azar | how come Sarge does not come with at least xfree86? |
| 20:10.26 | simonrvn | driver... |
| 20:10.32 | simonrvn | Azar: it does |
| 20:10.32 | stevepastelan | I think it does |
| 20:10.32 | ramattack | is nvidia propietary |
| 20:10.33 | wols | ramattack: usually this is due to your videocard drievr |
| 20:10.34 | stevepastelan | I just don't use it |
| 20:10.43 | JoshJ | ramanujan, there's an nvidia proprietary driver, yes |
| 20:10.44 | Azar | simonrvn: oh it does? wow.. thanks |
| 20:10.44 | wols | e.g. I had this happen (without compiz) with my S3 Savage4 |
| 20:10.44 | simonrvn | Azar: *he* doesn't have it *installed* |
| 20:10.47 | JoshJ | same for ati |
| 20:10.55 | JoshJ | but it depends on if you have it installed or are using the free one |
| 20:11.07 | Azar | stevepastelan: well then install xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:11.21 | ramattack | do you remind me to use free drivers instead of propietary one? |
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| 20:11.31 | panagos | with a command like "cat /dev/cdrom > image", will "image" be of type .iso ? |
| 20:11.42 | JoshJ | the free drivers are obviously better in one sense, but it's possible that the proprietary ones "work" better |
| 20:11.46 | wols | ramattack: no. with nvidia, there is no free driver that can use compiz |
| 20:11.50 | JoshJ | i use the free ATI drivers and it works for me |
| 20:11.55 | JoshJ | i don't know what nvidia's like |
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| 20:12.08 | simonrvn | nvidia is nvidia... |
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| 20:12.11 | panagos | with a command like "cat /dev/cdrom > image", will "image" be of type .iso ? |
| 20:12.16 | wols | the free ati driver some cards will work but not all |
| 20:12.23 | simonrvn | we heard you the first time |
| 20:12.31 | wols | panagos: use dd |
| 20:12.35 | ramattack | and I'f I kill -9 compiz |
| 20:12.39 | ramattack | can go to x console |
| 20:12.49 | ramattack | but without title bar.... |
| 20:12.49 | stevepastelan | ok azar I'll do that now |
| 20:12.52 | xingu | JoshJ: have you tried acpi-cpufreq just out of interest? |
| 20:13.12 | panagos | wols: what type will the output be the way i said? |
| 20:13.14 | Azar | stevepastelan: aptitude install xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:13.25 | JoshJ | xingu, considering that i get no results on an apt-cache search for that... probably not :\ |
| 20:13.29 | stevepastelan | yep alright |
| 20:13.30 | ramattack | ok thanks then folks |
| 20:13.33 | ramattack | gone to make some probes |
| 20:13.37 | JoshJ | so unless it's elsewhere |
| 20:13.37 | ramattack | bye!!! |
| 20:13.42 | ramattack | thanks to all |
| 20:13.59 | xingu | JoshJ: kernel module; modprobe it. :) |
| 20:14.00 | simonrvn | ramattack: that's because you've killed the window manager... also, avoid using -9, usuall the default signal (TERM) is sufficient |
| 20:14.04 | simonrvn | crap |
| 20:14.17 | JoshJ | FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
| 20:14.18 | JoshJ | guess not! |
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| 20:14.32 | JoshJ | and i'm seriously not going to recompile the thing manually :p |
| 20:14.50 | xingu | JoshJ: it should be in the debian kernel... |
| 20:14.55 | JoshJ | well :( |
| 20:15.02 | xingu | aah |
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| 20:15.10 | xingu | ok; do you have the acpi stuff loaded? |
| 20:15.12 | stevepastelan | azar: ok, it's asking me configuration questions |
| 20:15.22 | xingu | ie, /proc/acpi exists and whatnot right? |
| 20:15.24 | robin_sz | hmmm ... I just plugged in a camera .. cute box popped up and said "do you want to import the photos" ... yes I said .. then nothing! .. .no activity on the camera ... ideas? could it be trying to addimages to an album I dont have? |
| 20:15.25 | stevepastelan | azar: but they're all stupid, like what video card I have and what keyboard I have connected |
| 20:15.32 | stevepastelan | I don't even have a monitor |
| 20:15.36 | saint-takeshi | http://pastebin.com/897249 <---what does that mean? |
| 20:15.37 | stevepastelan | nor a keyboard |
| 20:15.40 | JoshJ | cat: /proc/acpi: Is a directory |
| 20:15.53 | xingu | yep but it's populated I take it. |
| 20:15.56 | JoshJ | yeah |
| 20:16.18 | JoshJ | /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0 (and CPU1) both exist |
| 20:16.26 | xingu | JoshJ: throttling in there? |
| 20:16.29 | JoshJ | yeah |
| 20:16.34 | Azar | stevepastelan: they are not stupid answer the best you can |
| 20:16.52 | xingu | JoshJ: ok; rather than cpufreqd, cpudynd might do something for you until speedstep is workable |
| 20:16.58 | Azar | stevepastelan: for your keyboard see what fits you better, I put mine PC104 us |
| 20:17.10 | Azar | you have to know your hardware |
| 20:17.19 | stevepastelan | I don't have a keyboard at all |
| 20:17.23 | JoshJ | FATAL: Module cpudynd not found. |
| 20:17.23 | JoshJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.23 | Azar | :) |
| 20:17.27 | JoshJ | so... where's this at ? :) |
| 20:17.45 | xingu | JoshJ: package is "cpudyn" |
| 20:17.50 | Azar | stevepastelan: so what do you use to type here if not a keyboard? |
| 20:17.53 | JoshJ | doh |
| 20:18.01 | simonrvn | Azar: why are you telling him to configure xserver? |
| 20:18.03 | stevepastelan | the box I'm working on is in a different building |
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| 20:18.10 | stevepastelan | I'm connected to it with SSH |
| 20:18.21 | Azar | simonrvn: he complains that his X does not use his language: cyrilic |
| 20:18.23 | stevepastelan | I'm typing to you from a different computer |
| 20:18.29 | xingu | JoshJ: cpudyn will do t-states throttling; which doesn't save huge amounts of power (centrino can alter the fsb speeds, t-states can't) |
| 20:18.38 | JoshJ | power isn't my cocnern, heat is |
| 20:18.41 | xingu | JoshJ: but it might bring your heat under control - maybe |
| 20:18.44 | simonrvn | then he should be working on the local machine, not the remote one |
| 20:18.44 | JoshJ | yeah |
| 20:18.45 | Azar | simonrvn: so I thought configuring his X might help him |
| 20:19.01 | simonrvn | and installing locales for his language |
| 20:19.05 | Azar | stevepastelan: look what simonrvn said: work at the local machine as root |
| 20:19.14 | simonrvn | as a start |
| 20:19.31 | stevepastelan | I don't have physical access to it though |
| 20:19.41 | Azar | simonrvn: he set his locales correctly he said that only X was not set |
| 20:19.57 | simonrvn | the machine you're working fom? i'm talking about localhost here |
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| 20:20.04 | simonrvn | ah ok |
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| 20:20.37 | stevepastelan | err |
| 20:20.39 | Azar | stevepastelan: well, I never did a remote setup on another terminal that I had no access to.... so good luck man |
| 20:20.44 | stevepastelan | hm |
| 20:20.44 | simonrvn | then he should set up his shell locale stuff, that'll be a start, and install any packages relevant to his DE/wm |
| 20:20.45 | JoshJ | awesome, cpudynd is working |
| 20:21.00 | stevepastelan | I installed xruskb |
| 20:21.05 | stevepastelan | which is for input |
| 20:21.14 | stevepastelan | it works fine, but the text comes out in the wrong encoding |
| 20:21.34 | simonrvn | ok, supposed to be what, a KOI-* or UTF-8? |
| 20:21.47 | stevepastelan | I'd like it to be UTF-8 :D |
| 20:21.56 | robin_sz | ok, so any clues how to find out what broken package this camera is trying to autorun as I plug it in?????? |
| 20:21.57 | xingu | JoshJ: it's the only thing that would work on my last notebook, with its impressively orphanned and shite y2k-era acpi. |
| 20:22.05 | simonrvn | smart :). you need to set up your system for that |
| 20:22.08 | glaucon2 | thanks for the timezone help guys... my fix was to get the tzdata from etch... somewhere along the line i had upgraded libc to a version later than the one in sarge, probably pointing at an unstable or testing repository for a bit |
| 20:22.14 | JoshJ | xingu, thanks |
| 20:22.25 | xingu | JoshJ: lets see if it makes a thermal difference first... :) |
| 20:22.25 | stevepastelan | basically, I just need to be able to display russian text and enter russian text into x clients |
| 20:22.30 | glaucon2 | exit |
| 20:22.33 | glaucon2 | whoops |
| 20:22.35 | JoshJ | well that should be easy to do |
| 20:22.36 | simonrvn | stevepastelan: there's an utf8 howto you can follow for the setup |
| 20:22.38 | glaucon2 | o/ |
| 20:22.39 | stevepastelan | I don't want to change the whole system locale |
| 20:22.39 | JoshJ | unprop it and wait :p |
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| 20:22.51 | simonrvn | you can do it just for your user |
| 20:22.58 | Azar | stevepastelan: your system locales was set correctly in the first place? did you dpkg-reconfigure locales correctly? |
| 20:23.02 | sysfault | is there a way to elegantly remove all of kde? I'm hoping i will not have to specify each kde pkg individually.. |
| 20:23.11 | robin_sz | the GTK popup is entitle "Camera Import" |
| 20:23.11 | stevepastelan | I don't know if I did it CORRECTLY |
| 20:23.18 | Azar | stevepastelan: ah ok |
| 20:23.20 | stevepastelan | I generated some russian locales |
| 20:23.30 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 20:23.30 | Azar | so only X |
| 20:23.33 | stevepastelan | ru_RU, ru_RU.KOI8-R, ru_RU.UTF-8 |
| 20:23.41 | stevepastelan | but I left the DEFAULT locale at en_US |
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| 20:24.30 | Azar | stevepastelan: simonrvn said you can set what you want for a particular user only too |
| 20:24.35 | simonrvn | you can do stuff like export LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 in your shell login file |
| 20:25.03 | stevepastelan | my shell, eh |
| 20:25.11 | simonrvn | and set the other LC_* stuff accordingly |
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| 20:25.30 | simonrvn | do locale and you'll see the other variables |
| 20:25.54 | JoshJ | eh |
| 20:25.57 | JoshJ | don't think it's working |
| 20:26.01 | JoshJ | cpu governor: not supported |
| 20:26.01 | JoshJ | Temperature: 70 degrees C |
| 20:26.05 | JoshJ | from yacpi |
| 20:26.15 | stevepastelan | ooh I see |
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| 20:26.17 | JoshJ | looks like i better load google maps before i overheat |
| 20:26.41 | FernandoMM | Is it possible to change the default init ( /sbin/init ) when compiling a kernel rather than using init=/bla/bla on grub/lilo ? |
| 20:26.42 | simonrvn | you can set it temp. by doing the usual export FOO=bar |
| 20:26.51 | simonrvn | or setenv =) |
| 20:27.22 | stevepastelan | I see |
| 20:27.26 | stevepastelan | will it affect my x clients? |
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| 20:28.19 | Azar | stevepastelan: you know how to configure a user shell? |
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| 20:28.59 | simonrvn | it'll affect everything your user uses, as far stuff from shell is concerned. xclients might pick it up. go see that utf8 howto, i believe it covers x apps more in depth |
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| 20:29.03 | simonrvn | !utf8 howto |
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| 20:29.43 | stevepastelan | ok :) |
| 20:29.50 | stevepastelan | LANG=ru_RU is pretty extreme |
| 20:29.57 | stevepastelan | it sets the interface language of everything to Russian |
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| 20:30.11 | stevepastelan | which doesn't work because it's not using the right fonts |
| 20:30.14 | simonrvn | !utf-8 |
| 20:30.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix ... |
| 20:30.19 | stevepastelan | so it looks like boxes with zeros and ones in them |
| 20:30.32 | simonrvn | ok, you'll need to use the right font ;) |
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| 20:31.35 | stevepastelan | I'll go read that |
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| 20:31.44 | stevepastelan | maybe it'll tell me how to set up the right font :D |
| 20:31.46 | pstickne | does qt install a shared library? |
| 20:31.50 | LightKnight | Garabik's HOWTO seems a little oldish, though useful, IMVHO :) |
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| 20:31.53 | simonrvn | yeh, has links and stuff |
| 20:32.16 | simonrvn | it is a bit oldish, but still very useful, agreed |
| 20:32.30 | robin_sz | hmmm ... I just plugged in a camera .. cute box popped up and said "do you want to import the photos" ... yes I said .. then nothing! .. .no activity on the camera ... ideas? could it be trying to addimages to an album I dont have? |
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| 20:33.06 | Azar | robin_sz: maybe the file format is not compatible? |
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| 20:33.16 | zinx | more likely that the program it tried to start failed to start... |
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| 20:33.32 | robin_sz | zinx, and how can I find out what went wrong? |
| 20:33.44 | zinx | run the program it tried to start from the console |
| 20:33.50 | robin_sz | zinx, good plan |
| 20:33.52 | asg | robin_sz: 1) find out what application generated the 'cute box'. 2) run it from an xterm and not by clicking an icon to see if it prints anything useful to stderr. 3) strace the process and look for likely issues. |
| 20:33.53 | zinx | erh, from an xterm or something rather |
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| 20:33.59 | JoshJ | whee |
| 20:34.03 | JoshJ | overheated :\ |
| 20:34.04 | zinx | i'm betting it was gnome-volume-manager |
| 20:34.14 | robin_sz | zinx, and that is what I tried to do ... but what is the progrma? |
| 20:34.17 | zinx | or whatever the heck that gnome program is that starts stuff |
| 20:34.27 | robin_sz | asg, I failed at step 1 |
| 20:34.27 | JoshJ | ah well |
| 20:34.30 | JoshJ | thanks anwyay xingu |
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| 20:34.40 | asg | robin_sz: use ps, pstree and other utilities to make an eductated guess |
| 20:34.47 | zinx | robin_sz: if you are indeed using gnome, desktop->preferences->removeable drives and media |
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| 20:35.17 | robin_sz | zinx, thanks |
| 20:35.25 | robin_sz | gnome-volume-manager apaprently |
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| 20:36.52 | robin_sz | gnome-volume-manager-gthumb %h ... %h seems not to be the right thing in an xterm, it gets substituted by soemting, right? |
| 20:37.01 | zinx | yeah |
| 20:37.06 | zinx | i'm not sure what to, though |
| 20:37.09 | zinx | just run it without the %h |
| 20:37.11 | robin_sz | me neither |
| 20:37.23 | zinx | if it works.. then you may need to figure out what it turns in to |
| 20:37.32 | zinx | if not, then you know what the problem is :D |
| 20:38.12 | robin_sz | zinx, its missing gthumb .. thats all |
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| 20:38.23 | robin_sz | thansk for the assistance |
| 20:38.45 | robin_sz | as ever, it knowing where to start looking |
| 20:38.55 | aronofsky | Hi, does anyone here uses a compiled-from-source beryl on testing ? |
| 20:39.10 | JoshJ | why? use compiz :( |
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| 20:40.09 | aronofsky | JoshH, no way |
| 20:40.20 | JoshJ | aronofsky, why do you want beryl and not compiz? |
| 20:40.25 | JoshJ | compiz is "apt-get install compiz" |
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| 20:41.14 | aronofsky | JoshH, compiz has gnome deps, i dont like it |
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| 20:41.22 | JoshJ | ah, i see |
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| 20:41.31 | JoshJ | makes sense if you use kde i guess |
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| 20:46.28 | g3brown | I want to pipe the output of a console command to an email. Should I send it to a file, email the file, and then del it OR can I just send to an email? |
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| 20:47.26 | JoshJ | well you could send it to a text file and copy-paste that into an e-mail without actually sending the file as an attachment |
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| 20:49.33 | drummer_wilson | can someone send me an easy how-to for installing nvidia drivers for debian? |
| 20:49.37 | pickcoder | what cpu flags denote freq scaling on a K7? |
| 20:50.21 | xingu | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:50.21 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 20:50.30 | g3brown | JoshJ: I want to do it in a cron. |
| 20:50.41 | JoshJ | ah |
| 20:50.56 | JoshJ | well i don't know if it's possible to pipe it directly to a message |
| 20:51.02 | JoshJ | wouldn't surprise me, but... |
| 20:51.12 | drummer_wilson | xingu: all that??? |
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| 20:52.36 | drummer_wilson | xingu? |
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| 20:54.05 | xingu | ? seems pretty straightforward to me |
| 20:54.52 | drummer_wilson | xingu: do i have to run all this commands in one go? |
| 20:54.58 | drummer_wilson | these* |
| 20:55.20 | JoshJ | it won't matter if you do or don't, but make sure you have the sources ready before you start |
| 20:55.34 | JoshJ | it's a one-liner to make it easier to paste and so you don't accidentally skip one |
| 20:56.07 | drummer_wilson | JoshJ: sources?? |
| 20:56.16 | JoshJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.22 | JoshJ | !non-free sources |
| 20:56.23 | dpkg | [non-free sources] edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
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| 20:58.28 | drummer_wilson | JoshJ: no.. i just have etch main and main contrib.. where do i find the sources u mentioned? |
| 20:58.37 | JoshJ | just change the line |
| 20:58.39 | JoshJ | then do apt-get update |
| 20:58.53 | JoshJ | so where it says deb http://debian.org (or whatever) main |
| 20:58.57 | JoshJ | make it say main contrib non-free |
| 20:59.00 | JoshJ | and do that for all the lines |
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| 20:59.16 | drummer_wilson | u mean make another line for it? |
| 20:59.18 | JoshJ | no |
| 20:59.28 | JoshJ | change the current line from ending in "main" to ending in "main contrib non-fre" |
| 20:59.29 | drummer_wilson | just place non-free in all lines? |
| 20:59.31 | JoshJ | er, non-free |
| 20:59.32 | JoshJ | and contrib |
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| 20:59.34 | Caelum | any chance there are debs for the oracle client? |
| 20:59.36 | gubluntu | Anyone here have any luck running a mail server from a dynamic ip? |
| 20:59.54 | JoshJ | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main <-- this is the old one |
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| 21:00.03 | JoshJ | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free <-- this is the new one |
| 21:00.10 | JoshJ | (although your URL may be different) |
| 21:00.16 | drummer_wilson | JoshJ: :) |
| 21:00.22 | drummer_wilson | thnx |
| 21:00.25 | JoshJ | np |
| 21:00.31 | JoshJ | now toss in that one-liner and sit back :) |
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| 21:00.53 | drummer_wilson | lol |
| 21:00.55 | pickcoder | gubluntu: you need some kind of dyndns service to do mail, since your domain needs to be resolvable and accessible |
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| 21:01.23 | JoshJ | anyway i'm off to the store now, hope your nvidia stuff works |
| 21:01.33 | JoshJ | i'm on ATI anyway so it's not like i could help you if anything goes wrong :p |
| 21:02.22 | un1xer | Hi, does any one know a software to recover data from a cdrom? |
| 21:02.25 | gubluntu | pickcoder: my ns records are set correctly.. and A resolves to the IP correctly.. yet mx lookup returns nothing.. even though the MX rec points to the name of the A rec |
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| 21:03.37 | pickcoder | what domain.. |
| 21:03.41 | capiira | hi |
| 21:03.46 | raf256 | un1xer: dvdisaster or ddisaster or diasaster |
| 21:04.12 | saint-takeshi | what's a floating point exception |
| 21:04.55 | un1xer | raf256: thanks, goig to try that! |
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| 21:05.04 | saint-takeshi | i get one when i try and call fglrxcontrol, but i don't know what it is, so i can't fix it |
| 21:05.07 | wols | saint-takeshi: a crash in floating point code |
| 21:05.11 | wols | e.g. division by zero |
| 21:05.18 | raf256 | un1xer: also: dd_rescue |
| 21:05.18 | pickcoder | looks fine to me |
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| 21:05.40 | un1xer | raf256: cool, thanks again! |
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| 21:05.51 | pickcoder | though I would have given the default MX index a 5 |
| 21:05.57 | pickcoder | 0 is OK too |
| 21:06.15 | loca|host | how to disallow root from logging to kdm ? |
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| 21:06.35 | pickcoder | gubluntu: dig -t MX <domain> |
| 21:06.37 | un1xer | saint-takeshi: i have the floating point problem too! |
| 21:06.41 | pickcoder | or host -t MX <domain> |
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| 21:07.18 | un1xer | saint-takeshi: i'm going to guive you a link that explains that. |
| 21:07.25 | factor | does anyone have thier dvb card working in linux |
| 21:07.36 | factor | I am having trouble catting the file to mpg |
| 21:07.42 | pickcoder | gubluntu: keep in mind that DNS propegation could take several days, so when your IP changes mail could bounce everywhere for a while |
| 21:07.52 | factor | everything seems to be loaded fine but Iget the error |
| 21:07.54 | factor | cx25840 1-0044: 768x480 is not a valid size! |
| 21:08.00 | factor | when cat to file |
| 21:08.19 | un1xer | saint-takeshi: here you go http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20060907.144957.7f0765d0.en.html |
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| 21:08.24 | gubluntu | pickcoder: yea... not to jinx myself but my ip hasnt changed in a year |
| 21:08.38 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 21:15.16 | b3nw | anyone know how to fix this error: Starting internet superserver: inetdinvoke-rc.d: initscript openbsd-inetd, action "start" failed. |
| 21:16.06 | jelly-home | b3nw: during upgrade? |
| 21:16.26 | b3nw | yessum |
| 21:16.38 | jelly-home | b3nw: is it already running? |
| 21:17.12 | b3nw | yes |
| 21:17.14 | jelly-home | b3nw: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd stop; dpkg --configure -a |
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| 21:17.30 | b3nw | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 21:17.31 | dpkg | i already had it that way, b3nw |
| 21:17.34 | drummer_wilson | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:17.34 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 21:17.47 | drummer_wilson | i did this and still no nvidia logo commin up |
| 21:17.51 | gubluntu | anyone know of a speedtest i can do from terminal |
| 21:17.53 | gubluntu | like speakeasy speed test |
| 21:17.54 | gubluntu | i dont have X installed |
| 21:17.57 | simonrvn | dpkg: status database area |
| 21:17.59 | dpkg | [status database area] locked by another process |
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| 21:18.08 | simonrvn | dpkg: forget status database area |
| 21:18.08 | jelly-home | b3nw: your apt-get / aptitude / synaptic is still running |
| 21:18.09 | dpkg | simonrvn: i forgot status database area |
| 21:18.16 | simonrvn | like wth |
| 21:18.17 | b3nw | hmm |
| 21:18.17 | jelly-home | simonrvn: hahaha |
| 21:18.18 | b3nw | checking |
| 21:18.23 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 21:18.32 | factotum | can anyone recommend a keyboard that has the keytouch of a mac keyboard, reasonably priced? |
| 21:18.37 | factotum | for a pc of course |
| 21:18.42 | TML | I have APT::Cache-Limit "1000000000";, but "apt-get source <any package>" bails with "FATAL -> Failed to fork" |
| 21:18.51 | gubluntu | factotum: a mac keyboard will woprk on a pc |
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| 21:18.57 | g3brown | gubluntu: just ftp to and from a server |
| 21:18.58 | TML | What do I need to tune? |
| 21:19.21 | simonrvn | memory issues? ipc garbage? |
| 21:19.30 | jelly-home | dpkg, status database area is <reply>I don't really care about your error. :-P |
| 21:19.31 | dpkg | jelly-home: okay |
| 21:19.36 | simonrvn | too many processes for that user? |
| 21:19.39 | drummer_wilson | how can i stop xserver and get to failsafe? |
| 21:19.43 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 21:20.17 | b3nw | jelly-home - that fixed it, thanks kindly |
| 21:20.20 | jelly-home | won't work the intended way though |
| 21:20.25 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 21:21.00 | TML | simonrvn: Only a handful of IPC stuff running (apache and pgsql both have the expected number of IPC objects) |
| 21:21.23 | TML | simonrvn: Nothing else on that machine has a problem, just apt. Is it possible I have too many .list files or something? |
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| 21:21.25 | simonrvn | mm ok |
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| 21:21.36 | simonrvn | *shrug*, maybe |
| 21:21.54 | TML | I ran it through strace, /usr/lib/apt/methods/http is what bails in the end |
| 21:21.59 | robin_sz | bah, now why won't gnome let me add a "network server" over ssh to its nautilus viewer pita thing |
| 21:21.59 | TML | But I can't see anything obvious |
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| 21:22.46 | robin_sz | shamefully, it works just fine over SMB :( |
| 21:23.09 | Ankman | anybody has a yahoo account and can connect to his mails? |
| 21:23.09 | TML | And it doesn't seem to matter which package I try to apt-get source for |
| 21:23.21 | Ankman | can't since hours |
| 21:23.29 | drummer_wilson | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:23.29 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 21:23.48 | simonrvn | how odd |
| 21:23.58 | simonrvn | never seen it poop like that |
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| 21:24.21 | craigevil | Ankman: i just tried took it way longr than usual but I can connect to Yahoo. |
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| 21:26.00 | simonrvn | Ankman: they have issues sometimes... |
| 21:26.21 | simonrvn | i think it might be network congestion on their AS |
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| 21:28.13 | Ankman | craigevili can connect to Yahoo too, but after logging in at the mail account it throws an error |
| 21:28.53 | drummer_wilson | hey, how can i get flash player? |
| 21:29.11 | raf256 | drummer_wilson: aptitude install it |
| 21:29.22 | drummer_wilson | aptitude? |
| 21:29.29 | drummer_wilson | apt-get install aptitude? |
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| 21:30.31 | gubluntu | is there any way to make the font smaller in terminal? |
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| 21:32.39 | robin_sz | gubluntu, define terminal, xterm? |
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| 21:32.47 | robin_sz | or tty? |
| 21:32.48 | sysfault | does anyone know which font pkg carries verdana fonts? |
| 21:33.08 | gubluntu | no.. like pure shell |
| 21:33.25 | robin_sz | dunno what you mean |
| 21:33.27 | streuner | msttcorefonts |
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| 21:33.29 | gubluntu | like |
| 21:33.31 | robin_sz | not in X |
| 21:33.36 | gubluntu | yea |
| 21:33.41 | robin_sz | no |
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| 21:34.00 | robin_sz | not as far as I know .. its a 80 x foo tty |
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| 21:37.29 | sysfault | streuner: i thought so, doesn't seem to be a deb pkg anymore however.. |
| 21:38.01 | raf256 | drummer_wilson: sigh.. no.. aptitude install is like apt-get install |
| 21:38.14 | raf256 | drummer_wilson: use whichever to install flash plugin for mzilla |
| 21:38.17 | raf256 | mozilla / firefox |
| 21:38.48 | streuner | !info msttcorefonts |
| 21:38.52 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.8 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 21:39.18 | streuner | sysfault: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:39.50 | sysfault | exalted:~# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:39.51 | sysfault | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:40.43 | streuner | hm, that could be etch as well |
| 21:40.49 | streuner | !info msttcorefonts etch |
| 21:40.56 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.8 (etch), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 21:41.16 | streuner | sysfault: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 21:41.43 | sysfault | thanks streuner |
| 21:43.11 | sysfault | http://rafb.net/p/QysYdE75.html |
| 21:43.29 | sysfault | I placed contrib at the end of each line, however i get a stat error now. |
| 21:44.02 | sysfault | http://rafb.net/p/sbc8jg31.html |
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| 21:44.38 | sysfault | second... |
| 21:44.46 | xBill | hi @ every1 |
| 21:45.40 | sysfault | thanks again streuner |
| 21:46.00 | streuner | deb http://ftp.(TLD).debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 21:46.33 | streuner | sysfault: where (TLD) the country is where you are actually living |
| 21:47.28 | sysfault | streuner: i did a apt-get update, and it updated the sources.. I was able to apt-get install msttcorefonts fine.. |
| 21:47.35 | streuner | ok |
| 21:47.48 | sysfault | thanks again |
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| 21:56.18 | MidgetDN | hey all, I just installed the eclipse package with synaptic but when I try to start eclipse it claims I don't have a jvm installed. I have the java-common package installed, but do I have to manually install the jvm or something? |
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| 21:56.40 | wols | !tell MidgetDN about java-install |
| 21:56.56 | wols | !tell MidgetDN about install java |
| 21:57.17 | MidgetDN | thx |
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| 22:12.11 | tvn | what's the utility to check what ports are opened ? |
| 22:12.28 | robin_sz | tvn, netstat -tupan |
| 22:12.38 | tvn | thanks |
| 22:13.25 | robin_sz | bah, I update Gnome and its installing evlotuon again .. I rid myslef of that plague last month :( |
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| 22:24.16 | panagos | user___: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:28.19 | anapivirtua | Sweet dreams. |
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| 22:33.24 | |ryan| | How do I install a pakage ignoring confilicts? |
| 22:33.39 | wols | dpkg --force-help |
| 22:33.46 | wols | but be careful. very careful |
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| 22:34.07 | billy | greetings fellow earth_creatures. |
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| 22:36.50 | sts | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:37.46 | sts | will it work to create a tar archive of the root filesystem and later on re-deply it on an other server, or recover your own server? |
| 22:37.53 | jayeola | hi guys. etch on a laptop. streamtuner is telling me that my soundcard is not configured right. alsaconf && alsamixer went ok. still no sound. what gives? |
| 22:38.28 | streuner | did you unmute via aumix? |
| 22:38.49 | phaedral | jayeola: you're doing better than me; just tried installing etch, get black screen w/ default boot; boot to single user, run apt-get update, freezes |
| 22:38.53 | phaedral | :( |
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| 22:39.43 | jayeola | phaedral: etch behaves ok on this laptop (thinkpad x30) first time no sound. i could help out with anything if i can |
| 22:39.54 | phaedral | choked on feth of http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Sources |
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| 22:40.13 | phaedral | can't imagine it's really choking on apt-get, just that's what I could see when it gave up the ghost |
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| 22:40.26 | jayeola | apt-get clean? |
| 22:40.44 | |ryan| | wols: dependency bug in a pacakge |
| 22:41.25 | phaedral | from a virtual console while frozen or after a reboot? I'd guess "reboot" |
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| 22:41.33 | phaedral | no choice, won't let me at the VC |
| 22:42.04 | jayeola | not even a console/ virtual terminal? |
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| 22:42.33 | phaedral | nope, no virtual console; alt-f2 does nothing |
| 22:43.05 | phaedral | or is that standard in single-user mode? |
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| 22:43.40 | jayeola | uh, i normally get all fn-1 to 6 plus x windows |
| 22:43.51 | phaedral | apt-get clean got me so I could apt-get update |
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| 22:44.05 | phaedral | one little step at a time... |
| 22:44.18 | billy | `halt` in a terminal actually makes the computer reboot. Any thoughts? |
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| 22:46.41 | phaedral | when in doubt, re-install a simpler system; gonna try a non-x install this time |
| 22:47.30 | Coke | Hi. I just installed 0.79-4 libpam, according to this ALSA page, http://alsa.opensrc.org/RealtimeKernelAndPAM I should be able to get realtime support for all users in the audio group. My user is in the audio group, but when I start jack I get: jackstart: cannot get realtime capabilities, current capabilities are: =ep cap_setpcap-ep. How do I make the libpam rlimits patch work? |
| 22:47.50 | Coke | (I'm on testing) |
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| 22:48.10 | Coke | Do I have to reboot after changing /etc/security/limits.conf? |
| 22:48.12 | billy | perhaps rebooting on the `halt` command is a kernel 2.6.20 problem? Anyone else using the 2.6.20 kernel? |
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| 22:52.06 | rhalff | what's the easiest way to get unstable vlc installed on etch ? |
| 22:52.14 | rhalff | or svn vlc even |
| 22:52.31 | rhalff | they have packages for unstable here: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html |
| 22:52.33 | billy | Coke: I know when I've messed around with certain configuration files before, rebooting initiated the changes. |
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| 22:53.23 | rhalff | I have a preferences file now with unstable as the lesser priority, how to force to install vlc from unstable then ? apt-get install vlc just says I'm up to date |
| 22:53.34 | Coke | billy: it's very un-GNU and particularly un-Debian to require reboots. |
| 22:53.53 | billy | Coke: that's true. worked for me before though. |
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| 22:55.21 | billy | rhalff: perhaps opening synaptic and temporarily disabling the other repository? |
| 22:55.26 | phaedral | last time I did this I put an i386 install on an amd64; was told at the time the 64bit stuff was finicky; is that still wise? |
| 22:55.46 | wols | rhalff: apt-get -t unstable |
| 22:55.46 | rhalff | billy, that's not the way I think |
| 22:55.51 | wols | but it's a bad thing to do. very bad |
| 22:55.55 | rhalff | wols: ah thanks :) |
| 22:56.06 | rhalff | wols: well it doesn't install that many packages |
| 22:56.07 | wols | you're welcome. to hose your system |
| 22:56.14 | sts | guys, is there a way to build a custom debian system in a chroot environment? and is there a way to kinda tar it, since i want to put it into a recovery usb stick, to recover a server if anything happens to the system disks? |
| 22:57.00 | xingu | !dselect |
| 22:57.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about ... |
| 22:57.17 | xingu | !dbootstrap |
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| 22:57.22 | xingu | !debootstrap |
| 22:57.23 | dpkg | it has been said that debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 22:57.24 | xingu | even |
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| 22:58.11 | wols | sts: with debian on a usb stick, themain problem is how to boot |
| 22:58.36 | sts | wols: i can boot a usb stick... |
| 22:58.51 | dorao | what is the easiest way to get wpa working? |
| 22:58.54 | sts | wols: so i am able to boot a live system from usb. |
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| 22:59.16 | sts | and later on mount the disk and untar the system :) |
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| 23:00.44 | sts | wols: like a cheap method to recover a server of a small business customers site, which doesn't have a second server :) |
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| 23:02.17 | sts | wols: so is there a way to copy over the root fs to a disk, reboot and everything is working? |
| 23:02.31 | JordiGH | Out of purely academic interest, is it possible to get an XBox gamepad working in Debian? |
| 23:02.39 | JordiGH | The cabling is ready. |
| 23:02.47 | JordiGH | It works on That Other OS. |
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| 23:07.08 | concept10 | JordiGH, there are drivers for it in the kernel, but I don't know how to get it working |
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| 23:08.53 | jp_ | can anyone tell me the default kernel-image for an HP box with an AMD Semperon 3000+ ? |
| 23:09.13 | Flyn__ | Hey everyone. How would you go about removing a module that is causing kernel panic manually from windows provided you have r/w access to the root partition? |
| 23:09.16 | jp_ | I would like to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.7. |
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| 23:09.30 | JordiGH | concept10: Wow. Do you know what they're called, so I can start looking there? |
| 23:11.22 | concept10 | JordiGH, I don't have the kernel config up, but they are called Xbox controller drivers or something similar. All you need to do is use "The Google." |
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| 23:12.21 | n3kl | Is there a philosophy channel or something? |
| 23:12.30 | JordiGH | #gnu |
| 23:12.32 | concept10 | JordiGH, you may need to compile a kernel module if its not included with the regular install |
| 23:12.52 | JordiGH | concept10: ah, that could explain why these Ubuntu instructions aren't working... |
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| 23:13.20 | netdaemon | hm |
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| 23:13.30 | netdaemon | =D |
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| 23:15.09 | phaedral | n3kl: forget philosophy; try #nethack for a more worthwhile diversion |
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| 23:19.33 | maher | i'm having a problem with regular expressions: pattern.sub(r'\1' + 'foo', line) works fine - but if i replace foo by a number, I get an invalid group reference error... |
| 23:19.47 | maher | ... in python |
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| 23:20.38 | wols | #python |
| 23:20.54 | maher | wols: they're ignoring me |
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| 23:21.36 | JordiGH | maher: Be patient. |
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| 23:21.54 | phaedral | first time an md5sum doesn't check for me :( |
| 23:22.01 | maher | JordiGH: patience is a virtue... ...which i do not posses :) |
| 23:22.08 | phaedral | what's the fix, re-download? |
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| 23:22.19 | Gryfelhase | hi |
| 23:22.30 | JordiGH | maher: You might get an answer here, but you're mostly offtopic, and if you insist, it's possible someone will get annoyed. Or tell you to use Perl. |
| 23:22.44 | JordiGH | phaedral: Yeah. :-/ |
| 23:22.48 | Gryfelhase | I use sarge. Where do i find a rtc-module in modconf ? |
| 23:23.01 | phaedral | JordiGH: thx |
| 23:23.27 | jayeola | phaedral: still stuck with no X? i got no sound |
| 23:23.50 | phaedral | jayeola: I'm going back to square one, this time with etch for amd64 instead of i386 |
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| 23:24.13 | phaedral | what're these "zsync" files in with the isos? |
| 23:24.21 | wolfeon | hey, there was this module I was using to detect real memory usage for prgrams, but I can't remember what it is called. No, it isnt a stock app(free/top) |
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| 23:24.44 | justin | phaedral: google.com/search?q=zsync |
| 23:24.48 | torr | Is there an easy way to turn a program to a daemon? |
| 23:25.09 | wolfeon | daemonize |
| 23:26.08 | torr | wolfeon: haha, it sounds funny, but its true :D |
| 23:26.59 | phaedral | so I can select that instead of doing the whole re-download? |
| 23:28.47 | torr | and how can I make it also start on boot, restart if failed etc'? |
| 23:29.00 | wolfeon | torr: you wouldn't happen to know the loadable linux module which allows me to see the true memory usage of a program would you/ |
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| 23:29.21 | wols | wolfeon: that cannot exist |
| 23:29.27 | trentg | Can anyone help with this printing error? http://pastebin.ca/391223 |
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| 23:29.41 | wolfeon | torr: you'll have to create a sh script and place it in /etc/init.d, then ln -s /etc/rc3.d/ |
| 23:30.03 | wolfeon | wols: what? I want to see the real mem usage of java running tomcat :/ |
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| 23:30.30 | wols | wolfeon: that cannot exist in a multiuser, multitasking OS with extensive shared library usage |
| 23:30.43 | JordiGH | Hm. xbox-linux.org is down. :-/ |
| 23:30.48 | torr | wolfeon: I know 'top' shows mem usage, also gnome-system-monitor |
| 23:30.52 | wols | and to the extent it is possible top and friends are good enough |
| 23:32.44 | litage | what's the default value for dmesg's -n if you don't specify a value on the CLI? |
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| 23:34.44 | wolfeon | :/ |
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| 23:35.25 | trans13nt | is there some console networking setup tool, or do i need to hunt files down and edit them manually? |
| 23:35.37 | torr | wolfeon: it is possible to show in gnome-system monitor the virtual mem and resident mem of each process |
| 23:36.14 | litage | trans13nt: just modify /etc/network/interfaces . if you're not sure how to configure that file, read ``man interfaces'' |
| 23:36.17 | wols | trans13nt: man interfaces |
| 23:36.23 | wols | that's all you need to "hunt down" |
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| 23:36.37 | phaedral | :( |
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| 23:36.55 | jeffto | hi everybody |
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| 23:37.23 | trans13nt | thanks litage && wols, i'll get to pokin, if i need more, i'll reach the hand in through an ear and yank out the brains |
| 23:37.31 | jeffto | Somebody can tell me when are regenerated iso images of debian etch DVD? |
| 23:37.36 | cromd | greetings all, are there any demudi gurus here? |
| 23:37.40 | phaedral | second try at pulling etch amd64 netinst died after about 50mb; tried etch amd business card next, md5sum doesn't match |
| 23:37.44 | litage | trans13nt: ummm...you're welcome? =P |
| 23:37.55 | trans13nt | 'i ahven't used debian in years, and deffinately not as a router |
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| 23:38.48 | wolfeon | torr: yeah I know. |
| 23:38.56 | wolfeon | there is another tool which could be used though,. |
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| 23:39.31 | wols | trans13nt: for a NAT router: ipmasq and dnsmasq is what you need |
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| 23:40.26 | trentg | omgosh, I was trying to install gs-eps :) |
| 23:40.49 | trans13nt | wols: yeah, but still gotta get all the nics coming up in a sepcific order |
| 23:41.10 | wols | trans13nt: are they all the same chip? |
| 23:41.26 | trans13nt | wols: nope |
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| 23:41.32 | wols | if so, the nearer they are to the AGP card, the lower their number |
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| 23:41.36 | trans13nt | all 5 will be diffrerent |
| 23:41.45 | wols | why does it matter to get them up in a special order? |
| 23:42.12 | bad_cables | i cant find my integrated agp card for this 1U server but i know it can do 1200x1024 because i was just using it with the vesa from DSL |
| 23:42.16 | trans13nt | cause i don't want eth0 to be one ip one boot, and a diff ip the next, certain things ZAre going be be forwarded to certain machines |
| 23:42.21 | wols | bad_cables: lspci |
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| 23:42.41 | wols | use /etc/modules and it's no problem if udev fucks it up |
| 23:42.54 | bad_cables | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i1 (rev 6a) |
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| 23:42.58 | bad_cables | that is it? |
| 23:43.03 | wols | yes it is |
| 23:43.12 | bad_cables | ok cool. what do i do now? |
| 23:43.13 | torr | do you think proftpd is safe to use? when I google it half of what I find is about buffer overflow volnerability |
| 23:43.14 | bad_cables | lol. |
| 23:43.15 | wols | shitty chip btw :) but I guess good enough for servers |
| 23:43.20 | bad_cables | 1U |
| 23:43.22 | bad_cables | ;) |
| 23:43.30 | wols | trans13nt: use vsftpd then |
| 23:43.41 | wols | but proftpd and pure-ftpd are ok usually |
| 23:43.49 | wols | those three are the only ones to look at |
| 23:43.52 | cromd | could anyone suggest a URL out there for demudi references for sources.list? |
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| 23:44.00 | bad_cables | man, when i found out that this 1U had an AC97 and i could use cheesetracker i was in love |
| 23:44.03 | wols | !tell bad_cables about drxx |
| 23:44.09 | wols | you can choose VESA there too bad_cables |
| 23:44.39 | bad_cables | i am using vesa now |
| 23:44.52 | bad_cables | i just dont know how to change the screen to 1200x1024 |
| 23:44.59 | bad_cables | so many distros |
| 23:45.25 | wols | dpkg told you |
| 23:45.42 | wols | tho, there is a driver for your chip |
| 23:46.36 | bad_cables | yeah i would rather use the driver |
| 23:46.47 | bad_cables | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is not installed |
| 23:46.49 | bad_cables | anyways |
| 23:47.04 | bad_cables | i mean i dont care since this thing just sits there when it works |
| 23:47.06 | wols | obviously you need to install X first... |
| 23:47.13 | Gryfelhase | is i use modeprobe rtc it tells me: FATAL: Error inserting rtc (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/char/rtc.ko): No such device |
| 23:47.21 | wols | but why you want X on a server is beyond me |
| 23:47.38 | wols | Gryfelhase: your kernel is kinda ol |
| 23:47.38 | bad_cables | because i also use it to preview the pictures and things like that |
| 23:47.52 | bad_cables | the main use if for my family photo archive |
| 23:48.00 | cromd | dedicated x-server for dumb terminals? |
| 23:48.00 | bad_cables | so gimp and all that helps |
| 23:48.03 | keram | how do you update your systems time/ |
| 23:48.06 | wols | bad_cables: servers don't have X servers, period |
| 23:48.20 | wols | keram: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 23:48.26 | archville | Hi. |
| 23:48.32 | bad_cables | well i guess so.. maybee i should just go back to using DSL like i was |
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| 23:48.39 | Gryfelhase | wols: kinda of means what exactly? (my english is to bad to understand it :) ) |
| 23:48.46 | wols | DSL is even worse for aserver |
| 23:48.58 | bad_cables | well i was using BeOS, i am not a purist |
| 23:49.03 | wols | Gryfelhase: dein kernel ist alt und ist auch noch der installer kernel |
| 23:49.13 | wols | Gryfelhase: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 23:49.22 | bad_cables | like i said this is just a simple family photo collection box |
| 23:49.32 | bad_cables | the only reason i bought a 1U server is because it was cheap |
| 23:49.40 | wols | bad_cables: is it accessible via the internet? |
| 23:49.45 | bad_cables | yeah |
| 23:49.55 | bad_cables | not now! |
| 23:50.00 | wols | then you should use a distro with secrutiy updates and such. not dsl |
| 23:50.16 | bad_cables | well DSL runs from a read only SD card |
| 23:50.19 | Gryfelhase | oklien, I'll try, thx |
| 23:50.44 | bad_cables | but i am not here to argure since DSL is basically a user made debian distro |
| 23:51.06 | bad_cables | i ran into problems between 3.2 and 3.3 of DSL |
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| 23:51.48 | Azar | hmmmmmm wtf is DSL? |
| 23:51.59 | bad_cables | 3.3 is testing and i guess i should send an email to the authors about the pearl paradox that i was in |
| 23:52.01 | wols | Damn Small Linux |
| 23:52.12 | Azar | ahhhh so is not Debian |
| 23:52.14 | wols | a distro for old PCs, 50MB LiveCD or USB stick |
| 23:52.17 | Azar | thanks wols |
| 23:52.26 | bad_cables | it works on new machines too |
| 23:52.27 | Azar | hehe really tiny |
| 23:52.36 | phaedral | damn small linux? |
| 23:52.39 | bad_cables | yup |
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| 23:53.20 | bad_cables | servers dont run X huh? |
| 23:53.21 | Azar | so the tiny dsl wants to get bigger? |
| 23:53.24 | cromd | tomsrbt with appropriate scripts, say, hardWall Firewall is good for gateway/router/etc |
| 23:53.58 | Azar | servers don't have a visual pleasure |
| 23:54.16 | bad_cables | this one does because i dont want to telnet into it |
| 23:54.20 | bad_cables | so hah |
| 23:54.30 | wols | bad_cables: servers don't have monitors, so why X? |
| 23:54.42 | wols | no you don't! |
| 23:54.51 | Azar | bad_cables looks like he wants a photo server |
| 23:54.56 | bad_cables | i dont know |
| 23:55.04 | bad_cables | maybee i just want to crawl into a hole |
| 23:55.23 | wols | you will use sshd like a good boy and stop this in.telnetd nonsense |
| 23:55.25 | cromd | pull up a /dev/null bad_cables |
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| 23:56.14 | bad_cables | for what? if i had to navigate with a command line nothing would get done |
| 23:56.45 | cromd | you get used to it bad_cables, eventually gets quicker once you refine a few techniques |
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| 23:57.38 | Azar | or feh+imagemagick |
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| 23:58.55 | bad_cables | how about i just leave the rude chatrooms and leave it in 800x600 |
| 23:59.02 | bad_cables | since it does already run php and apache |
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| 23:59.09 | bad_cables | hahaha |
| 23:59.12 | Azar | .... |
| 23:59.15 | phaedral | is there any chance the md5sums listed at the etch are really accurate? |
| 23:59.18 | Azar | man.nnn..nnnn |
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| 23:59.56 | Azar | I might be way behind with stuff... but I just watched Synapse |