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| 00:00.11 | Azar | dutchfish: you could look over the existent bugs on the lists you will figure out if there is one there that molested your servers |
| 00:01.01 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Seeing as I've got sarge, testing, stable, unstable, stable_updates, testing_updates, and etch release files, but only .gpg sigs for sarge and etch, is aptitude giving me the warnings for any Release files that don't have an accompanying sig? |
| 00:01.04 | dutchfish | Azar, oh yes, another one: latest xen hypervisor doenst work correctly if a non pae kernel is installed on 32 bit machine with < 4 GB ram |
| 00:01.20 | karsten | dondelelcaro: This looks like it's a matter of the release files not being signed, not of missing keys. |
| 00:01.23 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it's giving you warnings for Release files which have a sig which you don't have the coressponding key for |
| 00:01.24 | dutchfish | Azar, those logs i have |
| 00:01.25 | niaht | karsten, little much there eh? |
| 00:01.37 | karsten | niaht: ;-) |
| 00:01.41 | niaht | eheh |
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| 00:02.22 | niaht | karsten, I just hope your mad pinning skills are ready for it :) |
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| 00:02.41 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Independently verifying the files, GPG itself is telling me that "This key is not certified with a trusted signature". Is _that_ an issue. |
| 00:02.47 | karsten | niaht: I pin like you wouldn't believe. |
| 00:02.54 | niaht | sweet! |
| 00:03.11 | dondelelcaro | karsten: nah, because all of the keys you add to apt-key are marked as trusted |
| 00:03.22 | karsten | niaht: testing: 950, stable, 750, unstable, 400 |
| 00:03.29 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK. |
| 00:04.07 | niaht | *nods* |
| 00:04.12 | dutchfish | Azar, 2.6.18-4-xen-vserver has some small network issues and bigger ones with IPv6 |
| 00:04.12 | Azar | dutchfish: cool |
| 00:05.02 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Well, I just added those keys (1F41B907, ADB11277) again (again (again ...))), and aptitude's _still_ bitching to me. |
| 00:05.55 | dutchfish | Azar, dhcp3 client does time out to early on broadcast after a release |
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| 00:06.18 | dutchfish | Azar, this are to most graving ones |
| 00:06.54 | Azar | dutchfish: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/all.html |
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| 00:06.58 | dutchfish | Azar, those bugs i listed are not in yet |
| 00:07.18 | niaht | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:07.24 | karsten | Hrm. This appears to apply to only certain versions of programs. Eg: bash-doc 2.05b-26 doesn't show warning, bash 3.1dfsg-8 _does_ |
| 00:07.29 | Azar | dutchfish: send them then |
| 00:07.40 | dutchfish | Azar, i wil on saturday mp |
| 00:07.46 | Azar | don't wait for the release, it will be too late |
| 00:08.15 | maddash | !dfsg |
| 00:08.16 | dpkg | somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 00:10.32 | Azar | stoned should have stayed at Dell and test Etch on their hardware and become a Debian Dell advisor |
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| 00:10.48 | karsten | Azar: He's not there any more? |
| 00:10.55 | Azar | karsten: no bummer quit |
| 00:10.55 | terr_ | h3xis: wols is the umask parameter correct here? /dev/sda /optical ext2 rw,user,suid,noauto,sync,exec,dev,umask=0 0 2 |
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| 00:11.16 | terr_ | h3xis: should it be umask=002 |
| 00:11.28 | Azar | now that Dell "might" bent and accept to sell linux Dell systems, who do we have there ? nobody |
| 00:11.39 | h3xis | terr_, ive always done 002 |
| 00:11.48 | karsten | Azar: I strongly suspect _somebody_ is there. |
| 00:11.57 | maddash | h3xis: how goes it? |
| 00:11.57 | Azar | now that would have been a good source for DDs |
| 00:12.08 | Azar | it would be nice, karsten |
| 00:12.28 | h3xis | maddash, not so good dude. im on the phone with lenovo because my cpu is constantly at 79 C. is that normal? |
| 00:12.28 | terr_ | h3xis: I'm talking about the spaces in "0 0 2". Maybe there should be no spaces. Check what !tell says in #dpkg |
| 00:12.44 | Azar | cuz if Dell does, soon others like HP or Acer could do it |
| 00:12.58 | Azar | does not* |
| 00:13.12 | maddash | h3xis: on my t43, the temperature ranges from 34C to 60C. so I'd say no. |
| 00:13.17 | h3xis | yeah |
| 00:13.25 | terr_ | h3xis: umask=002 0 0" |
| 00:13.25 | maddash | h3xis: got a /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal? |
| 00:13.29 | dutchfish | h3xis, wich CPU? |
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| 00:13.39 | h3xis | dutchfish, core duo |
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| 00:13.47 | h3xis | maddash, dont scream, but im on vista atm |
| 00:13.59 | dutchfish | h3xis, should be tops 52 celsius |
| 00:14.07 | h3xis | dutchfish, yeah i was also told that :< |
| 00:14.22 | dutchfish | h3xis, not overclocked? right voltage? |
| 00:14.26 | maddash | h3xis: hmm, so no chance that there's a bug in the cputemp driver. does case feel that hot? |
| 00:14.30 | h3xis | dutchfish, stock. havent touched it |
| 00:14.36 | h3xis | maddash, it's warm |
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| 00:14.50 | dutchfish | h3xis, not too much pasta? |
| 00:15.00 | h3xis | dutchfish, no? |
| 00:15.04 | h3xis | pasta? |
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| 00:15.20 | maddash | h3xis: he probably means thermal paste |
| 00:15.22 | kupesoft | So how can I get spell-checking for GAIM on etch? |
| 00:15.24 | dutchfish | h3xis, cooling stuff |
| 00:15.36 | h3xis | dutchfish, i dont know. i havent opened it up ever |
| 00:15.44 | h3xis | dutchfish, it's a thinkpad t60 |
| 00:15.44 | maddash | kupesoft: gets installed automatically (lib*spell) |
| 00:15.52 | kupesoft | maddash: Doesn't seem to work... |
| 00:15.56 | dutchfish | h3xis, broken fan? |
| 00:16.17 | h3xis | no |
| 00:16.18 | h3xis | i hear it |
| 00:16.20 | maddash | !tell kupesoft about doesn't work |
| 00:16.23 | h3xis | and it has good ventilation |
| 00:16.25 | h3xis | hardly any dust |
| 00:16.25 | abrotman | ask #hardware ? |
| 00:16.27 | h3xis | less than a year old |
| 00:16.28 | h3xis | yeah |
| 00:16.42 | kupesoft | maddash: I misspell a word in a gaim conversation and it's not highlighted, |
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| 00:18.00 | Azar | for Etch is too late, but Lenny for sure will have a linux mobo and Nouveau... and then..caching!!! |
| 00:18.50 | maddash | kupesoft: is libgtkspell installed? |
| 00:19.07 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Is the PGP key management part of aptitude itself or soemthing else within apt? |
| 00:19.14 | kupesoft | maddash: libgtkspell0 is, |
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| 00:19.50 | kupesoft | maddash: I installed aspell and it works now, |
| 00:19.53 | kupesoft | maddash: (= |
| 00:20.09 | maddash | kupesoft: good. |
| 00:21.28 | kupesoft | maddash: Now spell-checking with xchat-gnome and we're set! |
| 00:23.04 | maddash | scenario: I'm on a terminal at my university's ibrary, and all attempts to ssh into my home computer have been blocked. So I ssh from the terminal to the school's SUN unix server, and from there I execute another ssh session into my home computer (ssh within ssh) - silly, yes, but this works. Now I want to scp a set of files (~10MB) from the library terminal to my home computer. scp from terminal to SUN server to home computer is not viable, because |
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| 00:24.19 | dkr | hrm, the spellcheck in xchat with my etch at home works, but not at work for soem weird reason, jus tverified it is eanbld on config |
| 00:25.57 | dkr | maddash: scp -qr dir-with-files sunbox: ssh sun box and tar -cpf - dir-with-files | ssh home 'tar -xpf -' |
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| 00:26.31 | dkr | or tar before hand and just transfer the tar around |
| 00:26.45 | udos | !moo |
| 00:26.46 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:27.08 | abrotman | maddash: you got cut off |
| 00:27.12 | karsten | dondelelcaro: FYI: man apt-secure(8) |
| 00:27.29 | maddash | abrotman: ouch. can i repost? |
| 00:27.38 | terr_ | h3xis: ok. Weird. |
| 00:27.39 | abrotman | scp from terminal to SUN server to home computer is not viable, becaus |
| 00:27.41 | abrotman | just append form there |
| 00:27.42 | abrotman | from |
| 00:27.55 | maddash | scp from terminal to SUN server to home computer is not viable, because I've only <2MB of storage there. Is it possible to somehow juggle ssh's -D (or maybe -L) so that I can relay scp from the terminal to the home computer? |
| 00:28.12 | terr_ | h3xis: Both usb ports are seen only on /dev/sdb1 Neither is seen on /dev/sda1 |
| 00:28.24 | karsten | maddash: If you configure apt-proxy, probably. |
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| 00:28.48 | abrotman | karsten: i don't think it involves packages ? |
| 00:29.01 | abrotman | maddash: run sshd on port80 on your home machine |
| 00:29.04 | dkr | ah, I had libaspell15 installed but not aspell-en |
| 00:29.05 | karsten | maddash: You'll want to set that up so it happens by default, and uses the same socket file, eg: /tmp/$USER-apt-proxy |
| 00:29.11 | maddash | karsten: apt-proxy? that sounds like I'll need root priv - which I don't have, because it's a semi-public terminal |
| 00:29.16 | karsten | abrotman: That's another option. |
| 00:29.21 | karsten | maddash: No root required. |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | maddash: what are you trying to copy ? |
| 00:29.34 | karsten | maddash: apt-proxy is an authentication proxy, not a network proxy. |
| 00:29.42 | karsten | maddash: ... or just netcat the stuff. |
| 00:29.50 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it's part of libapt; have you run aptitude update; after having added those keys? |
| 00:29.52 | maddash | abrotman: titanic PDF files. that won't fit on gmail. |
| 00:30.06 | abrotman | see |
| 00:30.48 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Doing that now. |
| 00:30.57 | karsten | maddash: On remote side: nc -l 1234 |
| 00:31.30 | karsten | maddash: On local side: cat massive.PDF | nc -w 3 remotehost 1234 |
| 00:31.43 | karsten | maddash: Um, on remote side: nc -l 1234 > massive.PDF |
| 00:31.46 | phreqmod | Or use xmodem or uuencode :D |
| 00:32.05 | karsten | maddash: ... should just send the data over some random port. 1234 is just from the netcat manpage itself. |
| 00:32.15 | karsten | phreqmod: You've still got to actually transmit the data. |
| 00:32.30 | maddash | karsten: the commands for local side require a direct TCP/IP connection to my remote side (home computer), right? |
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| 00:32.38 | karsten | maddash: Caveats: your data are flying over the net. |
| 00:32.39 | Azar | karsten: I been looking at discuss on Dell's poll... not a single word about Debian |
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| 00:32.58 | karsten | maddash: Yes. So find an unblocked port. I'll assume 80 or 53 are probably available. |
| 00:33.06 | phreqmod | karsten, true, but clients like TeraTerm or ckermit can initiate that trnaparently over the established channell... oops, no channel, I'm an idiot, forget about this |
| 00:33.09 | karsten | Azar: There will be later ;-) |
| 00:33.20 | abrotman | maddash: you only have port 80 out ? |
| 00:33.20 | karsten | phreqmod: NP ;-) |
| 00:33.24 | Azar | karsten: its because of the non-free drivers... |
| 00:33.25 | phreqmod | Sorry, got to me while I was answering, ehe |
| 00:33.36 | maddash | abrotman: yes, but only to the intranet... |
| 00:33.44 | abrotman | get a new school |
| 00:34.05 | karsten | maddash: Clarify: what ports are open? Or alternatively, what ports are blocked? |
| 00:34.09 | maddash | karsten, abrotman: in other words, I can't even access a webpage from apache on my home machine. |
| 00:34.14 | Azar | the mob wants video... and gadgets that require non-free software on their desktops |
| 00:34.26 | abrotman | maddash: but you can get it from the Sun box ? |
| 00:34.27 | concept10 | Azar, how many processes run default on your system at start up? |
| 00:34.42 | Azar | concept10: many heck never checked |
| 00:34.52 | karsten | maddash: are there any other open ports? |
| 00:35.08 | karsten | maddash: BTW, ssh-agent, not ssh-proxy, my bad. |
| 00:35.08 | abrotman | maddash: can you reach port80 on your box from the Sun box ? |
| 00:35.09 | holycow | guys, when you format a partition in ext3 for example ... what does that entail? is the data wiped out? |
| 00:35.21 | wols | holycow: yes |
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| 00:35.25 | maddash | abrotman: well, I suppose i could `ssh [sun server] "wget [homeserver]"` . That's about it, though. |
| 00:35.26 | Azar | concept10: on a normal use I get 48 processes up and dancing |
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| 00:35.43 | wols | holycow: what happens when you format a partition? is the data still there? |
| 00:35.43 | maddash | karsten: ssh-*??? you told me apt-proxy before |
| 00:35.45 | abrotman | maddash: right .. wget file | scp <machine you want it on> |
| 00:35.49 | Kevin` | holycow not all the data is wiped, only the tables and such for the filesytem are written |
| 00:35.52 | concept10 | Azar, what! I have 76 (including IRC client) I have to do some more cutting down! |
| 00:36.03 | Azar | concept10: if I get out of X say... 38 or so |
| 00:36.14 | holycow | wols, thats why i'm asking, i keep on formating an ext3 partition and the data remains |
| 00:36.18 | karsten | maddash: I'm clearly an unreliable source. Meant ssh. I've got apt on the brain. |
| 00:36.27 | phreqmod | maddash, you can run a proxy on the Sun server and with ssh redirection use that proxy on your machine. Everything would use the proxy via ssh... |
| 00:36.34 | wols | holycow: that's kinda strange. doesn't look like you are formatting then |
| 00:36.38 | Kevin` | holycow then your doing something wrong outside of the formatting process, the data would not remain |
| 00:36.41 | Azar | concept10: well remember I do not have a .dm and fancy stuff.... |
| 00:36.46 | phreqmod | By proxy I mean a simple thing like a 3 lines perl script using HTTP::PRoxy |
| 00:36.55 | holycow | Kevin`, *nod* i was hoping to hear that ... so on remount one should basically get an empty partition regardless ... maybe the blocks arent exactly zeroed out by i shouldn't see any data |
| 00:37.03 | holycow | Kevin`, right i suspect so |
| 00:37.14 | phreqmod | I used this setup when I was in a situation of having ssh access to a server that had internet access (but I didn't) |
| 00:37.18 | holycow | wols, right *nod* thats what it looks like |
| 00:37.19 | holycow | thank you |
| 00:37.19 | wols | holycow: are you formatting a MOUNTED partition? |
| 00:37.26 | krazykit | holycow: you could always cat /dev/random /dev/partition, then remake the FS. |
| 00:37.33 | holycow | wols, nope |
| 00:37.34 | concept10 | Azar, I like a desktop for convenience, but I want to know that every stinkin process is performing a job that I need. |
| 00:37.38 | maddash | phreqmod: yes, that was pretty much what I wanted to try (hence mentioning -D and -L). Guess i should've tried harder to be clear. |
| 00:37.42 | Kevin` | interesting bit of trivia: you don't need to initially format a jffs2 partition |
| 00:37.44 | holycow | krazykit, oh thats interesting ... *hmm* never thought of that |
| 00:37.48 | Azar | concept10: install and run htop |
| 00:37.56 | krazykit | holycow: or /dev/zero, your choice |
| 00:37.57 | holycow | Kevin`, oh didn't know neat! |
| 00:38.19 | holycow | krazykit, i'll try that actually ... dd'ing a partition takes forever |
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| 00:38.29 | concept10 | Azar, been using that for years.. thats a great app |
| 00:38.36 | holycow | and of course doublecheck my formatting .. i'm screwing something up |
| 00:38.38 | Azar | :) yep |
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| 00:39.01 | Kevin` | holycow the filesystem is of course not mounted while your formatting it? |
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| 00:39.06 | karsten | maddash: Anyhow, if you can't send directly to your home system, you can chain ssh, using ssh-agent to handle the authentication (so you don't have to enter passwords): cat massive.pdf | ssh other-school-box '( ssh home ">massive.pdf")' |
| 00:39.20 | phreqmod | maddash, ahh, yes, that's possible... run the proxy on the Sun box and use -L 1234:sunserver:1234 |
| 00:39.27 | holycow | Kevin`, correct |
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| 00:39.49 | axel | hey |
| 00:40.00 | Kevin` | holycow if you want random data, use urandom instead of random, otherwise it will take forever.. and realisticly, use /dev/zero instead of random |
| 00:40.01 | axel | I've installed and configured my new Debian system |
| 00:40.13 | phreqmod | Leave the connecion open and export http_proxy=localhost:1234 etc etc |
| 00:40.21 | holycow | Kevin`, ah cool, danke |
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| 00:40.44 | axel | but i've now a problem with ndiswrapper. I'm trying to use a Netgeare WiFi USB adapater. The ndiswrapper driver has been installed and the module has been loaded properly but the adapter still doesn't work. Any idea? |
| 00:41.04 | robin_sz | bah, another evening wasted mainlining Drano ... |
| 00:41.16 | abrotman | snort it .. WAY better |
| 00:41.27 | Kevin` | axel do you know what chipset the card is? |
| 00:41.36 | concept10 | Azar, best apps imho include: htop, gmrun, xfce4 terminal, xchat, zsh, Thunar, vim, |
| 00:41.39 | karsten | maddash: ... in theory, anyhow. |
| 00:42.04 | maddash | karsten: about that last suggestion: it'll just transfer over stdin and stdout, so the constrained diskspace wouldn't be a problem? |
| 00:42.17 | axel | Kevin`: really not, it's a Netgear WG111 (v2) adapter. |
| 00:42.21 | robin_sz | abrotman, snort Drano, man thats crazy ... Toilet Duck maybe ,... but Drano? |
| 00:42.22 | axel | Can you give me some hint? ;) |
| 00:42.28 | abrotman | karsten: wget | scp ? |
| 00:42.30 | Kevin` | axel what does lsusb say about it |
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| 00:42.57 | axel | Kevin`: without using the `-v' flag: Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0846:6a00 NetGear, Inc. WG111 WiFi (v2) |
| 00:43.10 | Azar | A dozen tips for testing free software http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/07/2012225 < yee once I get out of the hospital that what Im gonna do on my recovery at home time |
| 00:43.32 | karsten | abrotman: ? |
| 00:43.43 | Kevin` | axel that looks like it has a realtek chipset of some sort, looking for more info though |
| 00:43.47 | Azar | concept10: since I do not use a .dm, no xfce or Thunar for me. Xchat no thanks |
| 00:43.52 | abrotman | karsten: ralph |
| 00:43.56 | karsten | maddash: That's the idea. I'm testing this here (chaining to localhost, then remote). I'm generating my output file but it's null. |
| 00:44.02 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 00:44.18 | abrotman | karsten: it's okay .. don't feel bad .. azar still loves you |
| 00:44.21 | concept10 | Azar, youre using terminal only? |
| 00:44.23 | axel | Kevin`: i'm using the official Windows drivers. Should i use another driver instead? |
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| 00:44.37 | Azar | hehehe |
| 00:44.44 | concept10 | Azar, sheesh, youre worst than abrotman |
| 00:44.51 | concept10 | *worse |
| 00:44.53 | Azar | concept10: no, I use x but with only openbox |
| 00:44.58 | abrotman | than me ? |
| 00:45.01 | Kevin` | axel you should always use a native linux driver if one exists - they usually have more functionality then the windows drivers. i'm checking if one exists |
| 00:45.08 | Azar | I am allways worse than abrotman |
| 00:45.17 | abrotman | always |
| 00:45.18 | Azar | because he is allways the best |
| 00:45.28 | abrotman | bigger bra too |
| 00:45.29 | concept10 | I think abrotman uses WindowMaker |
| 00:45.34 | Azar | haha |
| 00:45.35 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 00:45.36 | axel | Kevin`: i'm sure you will find it before me, but i'm trying to Google for it anyway :-) |
| 00:46.02 | karsten | Hrm, this doesn't work as expected: df | ssh localhost "(SSH_AUTH_SOCK=<my auth sock> ssh user@remotehost '(>df.txt)' )" |
| 00:46.05 | maddash | phreqmod: "run the proxy on the Sun box and use -L 1234:sunserver:1234" -- should that be "home server" in place of "sunserver"? |
| 00:46.07 | h3xis | maddash? |
| 00:46.10 | karsten | df.txt is created, but with no content. |
| 00:46.41 | maddash | h3xis: ? |
| 00:46.44 | Kevin` | axel try this out: ftp://202.65.194.211/cn/wlan/rtl8187_linux_26.1010.zip |
| 00:46.45 | h3xis | maddash, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/h3xis/temp.jpg |
| 00:46.46 | Azar | abrotman: I have only one thing : you never encouraged me to enter the testing (use unstable) so I can damn do something useful around here |
| 00:46.57 | h3xis | maddash, i got off the phone with lenovo and the guy thought i was joking |
| 00:47.02 | Kevin` | axel that's from the realtek download site, for rtl8187L |
| 00:47.08 | abrotman | Azar: i woulodn't want you using sid/unstable .. testing is fine |
| 00:47.09 | karsten | maddash: Got it! |
| 00:47.14 | Azar | left me here with my belly growing from beer comfy with stable |
| 00:47.14 | axel | Kevin`: i didn't know that ndiswrapper could load the Linux drivers too |
| 00:47.19 | phreqmod | maddash, umm, no, it's the sun server. |
| 00:47.21 | axel | Kevin`: let me try.. and THX in any case ;) |
| 00:47.26 | Kevin` | axel you don't use ndiswrapper for linux drivers |
| 00:47.30 | Azar | abrotman: but I could test new stuff... |
| 00:47.40 | karsten | maddash: df | ssh localhost "(SSH_AUTH_SOCK=<my auth sock> ssh user@remotehost '(cat >df.txt)' )" |
| 00:47.47 | karsten | maddash: ... so you should be able to do something like that. |
| 00:47.56 | abrotman | Azar: so use testing |
| 00:47.59 | phreqmod | maddash, assuming you can reach your home webserver from the Sun server (and wget them) |
| 00:48.01 | axel | Kevin`: should I rebuild the kernel? |
| 00:48.02 | Kevin` | axel ndiswrapper is only needed when you only have a windows driver |
| 00:48.04 | abrotman | Azar: why are you complaining .. you still use woody |
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| 00:48.09 | Kevin` | axel you probably won't need to |
| 00:48.09 | Azar | I do not think I need to know to code inorder to report bugs |
| 00:48.33 | Azar | nooo I upgraded to Sarge and the other, old box uses Etch already |
| 00:48.47 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:49.51 | phreqmod | I'm assuming you can only use ssh to the Sun server... |
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| 00:50.04 | axel | Kevin`: yes.. it works!! |
| 00:50.10 | axel | THX a lot for your time/help |
| 00:50.12 | Kevin` | that was fast.. cool :) |
| 00:50.12 | karsten | maddash: 'ssh-agent; ssh-add' on the midway box, the value that ssh-agent gives you is what you want to feed as your SSH_AUTH_SOCK value |
| 00:50.20 | Kevin` | np |
| 00:50.23 | axel | -.- |
| 00:50.35 | axel | see u |
| 00:50.36 | axel | bye |
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| 00:50.57 | karsten | maddash: The use of ssh-agent is so that you don't have to enter a password to authenticate from the sun box to your personal system. |
| 00:51.33 | maddash | karsten: uh oh. ssh-add doesn't exist on the midway box |
| 00:51.45 | phreqmod | maddash, bear in mind that this works for stuff like HTTP, it won't work for ssh all the way... |
| 00:51.49 | maddash | karsten: nvm. typo |
| 00:51.58 | karsten | !shoot maddash |
| 00:52.29 | maddash | ow. |
| 00:52.43 | robin_sz | dpkg, badgers? |
| 00:52.44 | dpkg | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !!, or make great gifts, fun for the whole family |
| 00:52.44 | badgers | dpkg: You are moron #2 |
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| 00:52.45 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, badgers |
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| 00:52.49 | karsten | How do you think the badgers feel? |
| 00:53.10 | karsten | !botbotabuse |
| 00:53.17 | robin_sz | karsten, furry? |
| 00:53.26 | karsten | robin_sz: *fluffy* |
| 00:53.30 | wad | I'm installing Etch from the net install CD. This box is going to be a web server, email server, print server, and SQL database. I'm on the screen where I can choose predefined collections of software. |
| 00:53.35 | robin_sz | karsten, tight? |
| 00:53.40 | karsten | robin_sz: Nope. |
| 00:53.45 | karsten | robin_sz: You've obviously got to 'em. |
| 00:53.57 | robin_sz | karsten, you are hanging out withthe wrong sort of baders then |
| 00:54.00 | archville | wad: Probably the best choice is to select nothing. |
| 00:54.04 | wad | My question: How do I know which software will be installed? For example, will this install postfix with dovecot, for my mail needs? I could guess... |
| 00:54.20 | wad | archville, yeah, then I can just apt-get install what I need, right? |
| 00:54.30 | archville | wad, yup, that's the point |
| 00:54.33 | wad | Cool. |
| 00:54.51 | wad | One related question: There is one iterm, "Standard system". What does this include? Do I need to install it? |
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| 00:55.44 | wols | wad: not it will not install postfix or dovecot |
| 00:55.57 | wols | don't select anything there. you can call this any time later with "tasksel" |
| 00:56.00 | phreqmod | You don't *need* to install anything apart the base.... but Standard will probably give you some extra tools that are generally a good thing |
| 00:56.01 | Azar | wad: I guess standard comes with the desktop and stuff you might want or not. If you don't care use standard. If you want to install stuff one by one and only the ones you want, pick Base or Minimal |
| 00:56.03 | wols | and even then, it's a bad idea to do |
| 00:56.11 | wols | only use tasksel if you don't have a real clue |
| 00:56.12 | Pons | guys, there's a tool for checking hard drives integrity... what's its name? |
| 00:56.18 | wols | it usually installs stuff you don't need |
| 00:56.19 | phreqmod | wad: e.g. "less" is standard, "more" is base |
| 00:56.23 | wols | Pons: smartmontools |
| 00:56.32 | wad | Pons: fsck |
| 00:56.45 | Kevin` | Pons those two, and badblocks too |
| 00:56.49 | wols | wad: that checks filesystems not harddisk |
| 00:56.50 | Pons | badblocks |
| 00:56.53 | Azar | phreqmod: excuse me? |
| 00:56.55 | Pons | that's the one |
| 00:56.56 | Pons | thanx |
| 00:56.57 | wad | wols: I know that. :) |
| 00:57.03 | karsten | Pons: Depends on what you mean by "integrity". smartmontools reports various disk errors, badblocks finds bad blocks, fsck reports on filesystem errors. |
| 00:57.05 | Kevin` | smartctl is usually more useful then badblocks |
| 00:57.11 | wad | I just rely on a visual inspection, personally. |
| 00:57.13 | karsten | Pons: bonnie hammers the drive for a bit. |
| 00:57.16 | phreqmod | Azar, uh, what? |
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| 00:57.28 | Azar | phreqmod: you refer to the amount of packages when you say "less" or "more" ? |
| 00:57.42 | Kevin` | I have too many files |
| 00:57.42 | wad | Like my car. A light came on that said, "check engine". So I pulled over, popped the hood, and made sure the engine was still there. |
| 00:57.47 | phreqmod | Ahh, not... I meant the pagers.... like $ less /etc/motd :) |
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| 00:57.58 | Pons | gonna try smartctl |
| 00:58.00 | Pons | and badblocks |
| 00:58.01 | Pons | thanx |
| 00:58.05 | karsten | wad: You're aware that this is caffeine awareness month? |
| 00:58.05 | Azar | phreqmod: oh ok because it looked really weird |
| 00:58.08 | maddash | karsten: looks like it won't work without the ssh-agent; ssh-add; . |
| 00:58.12 | karsten | wad: Are you aware of your caffeine? |
| 00:58.18 | karsten | maddash: It would be difficult. |
| 00:58.28 | Azar | karsten: I knew : I bought 4 tins of coffee today |
| 00:58.30 | phreqmod | Yes, not the best examples to hurry a sentence with |
| 00:58.38 | karsten | maddash: though you could ssh to the Sun and netcat to home. |
| 00:58.44 | wad | karsten, I don't drink caffeine. Life is exciting enough for me without artificial stimulants. :P |
| 00:58.52 | karsten | Azar: I prefer coffee beans to coffee tins. |
| 00:58.59 | karsten | Azar: But to each his own. |
| 00:59.04 | maddash | karsten: but then my data would be "flying all over the net" |
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| 00:59.10 | Azar | karsten: I joined the boycott and buy only certified coffee |
| 00:59.12 | phreqmod | Ehe, sounded like yoda speak "More is base, GNU Debian Linux is" |
| 00:59.20 | karsten | maddash: How much of a problem is that to you? |
| 00:59.34 | Azar | phreqmod: yep :) |
| 00:59.54 | karsten | maddash: You're not opening yuour system up to anybody. However someone in the datastream could see what you're sending. If that's not OK with you, encrypt the stream. |
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| 01:00.29 | karsten | Azar: I joined the boycott and only date certified women.... |
| 01:00.35 | maddash | karsten: am I supposed to append extra arguments to ssh-agent and/or ssh-add? |
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| 01:00.45 | concept10 | does nautilus control debian sensible-browser? |
| 01:01.10 | karsten | concept10: mu |
| 01:01.14 | bullftrack | hola buenas noches. alguien por favor me puede mandar como tiene configurado el menu en debian testin para fluxbox, que me lo pueda prestar para tener una idea y referencia. gracias |
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| 01:01.21 | karsten | !es |
| 01:01.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:02.05 | concept10 | karsten, was that supposed to be no? |
| 01:02.10 | karsten | concept10: Nautilus can _be_ one of the browser options, possibly (IIRC it doesn't do HTML page rendering). However apt / sensible-browser actually manages that, through /etc/alternatives and/or your user environment. |
| 01:02.19 | karsten | !mu |
| 01:02.19 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
| 01:02.42 | Azar | karsten: hahaha |
| 01:02.48 | karsten | concept10: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(negative) |
| 01:03.14 | concept10 | karsten, I just thought you were typing in the dark. I make those mistakes often |
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| 01:03.36 | wad | I googled it, and there's a page that says "Standard System" should normally be installed. *shrug* |
| 01:04.20 | Azar | wad: I told you, "minimal" or "basic" if you want to install packges of your likes one by one, "standard" comes with destkop and goodies |
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| 01:04.37 | xixor | concept10: about 10 years so, I would play a computer game Xwing vs. Tie Fighter online, and I would practice playing in the dark so I would memorize the key commands. Now I can touch type every single key on the keyboard eyes closed |
| 01:04.41 | wad | Azar: There seem to be no "minimal" or "basic" options that I have seen... |
| 01:04.52 | Azar | wad: but what do you see? |
| 01:05.08 | concept10 | xixor, the basement helps typing skills! :) |
| 01:05.09 | wad | A menu with things like "SQL Server", "Web server" "print server", etc. |
| 01:05.11 | pingu | I can't seem to patch a binary deb, and put it back together with GNU ar, I believe because of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=161593. Does anyone have any idea how dpkg-buildpackage and such put together deb in the propper format? |
| 01:05.36 | Azar | wad: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh go standard then, that reminds me of debconf |
| 01:05.44 | wad | Azar, there is also "desktop environment". |
| 01:05.59 | Azar | wad: check it if you want it |
| 01:06.01 | wad | I wound up choosing only "standard system". |
| 01:06.12 | wad | I'll just add the things I need. |
| 01:06.13 | wad | :) |
| 01:06.23 | Azar | wad: it is ok, you can install X and the desktop of your choice later |
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| 01:06.30 | wad | No desktop for this box. |
| 01:06.30 | concept10 | karsten, and you had my typing "man mu" |
| 01:06.41 | wad | Server only, destined to run headless under the stairs in my basement. |
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| 01:06.59 | karsten | xixor: Easier if you realize that most keyboards have tactile bumps on the 'f' and 'j' keys. |
| 01:07.02 | karsten | concept10: ;-) |
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| 01:07.16 | Niriven | Anyone (i suppose) use beryl? |
| 01:07.22 | karsten | concept10: ... you'll note that man responds appropriately to that command. |
| 01:07.26 | karsten | !beryl |
| 01:07.27 | dpkg | it has been said that beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
| 01:07.27 | chemist | Niriven: yes |
| 01:07.28 | xixor | karsten: that really screws me up when I try to type on a mac keyboard, and the bumps are on the d and k keys I think |
| 01:07.43 | karsten | xixor: I *really* hope that isn't the case. |
| 01:07.54 | karsten | xixor: Among my many gripes about Macs is that I can't stand the keyboard. |
| 01:07.57 | Azar | karsten: yep that's for those typing in the dark |
| 01:08.22 | Niriven | karsten: Thanks, but i dont quite understand the AIGLX part, is that a port? Or does it come along with the unofical beryl packs? |
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| 01:08.36 | karsten | Thinkpads have a keyboard light. LED in the screen case that shines down on the keyboard. |
| 01:08.50 | karsten | Of course, Macs illuminate the keyboard from below. |
| 01:09.03 | karsten | Niriven: FIIK. I just invoked the factoid. |
| 01:09.19 | Niriven | karsten: :P |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | Niriven: it's part of Xorg |
| 01:09.28 | Azar | karsten: no lighting here, so I can blame it on the darkness if I say something stupid |
| 01:09.37 | Azar | "it was so dark I did not see what I typed" |
| 01:09.40 | karsten | dondelelcaro: FYI, aptitude update seems to have banished the PGP key messages for now. |
| 01:09.43 | terr_ | h3xis: allis working perfectly. thanx |
| 01:09.51 | h3xis | terr_, alright |
| 01:09.59 | karsten | Azar: That's a wonderful out-of-context quote. |
| 01:10.08 | Azar | karsten: maybe they work on fixing it, it has some other bugs |
| 01:10.37 | karsten | Azar: Along with: Apparently time is allowed to go backwards, so don't assert that it doesn't in the test suite. (from /usr/share/doc/aptitude/NEWS) |
| 01:10.48 | terr_ | h3xis: I'm not sure why the stick is seen on /dev/sdb1 regardless of the usb port. DOes a single controller run both plugs? If so that explains it. |
| 01:10.56 | h3xis | yes |
| 01:11.06 | Azar | karsten: still crashes on AMD64 it seems |
| 01:11.23 | wad | Azar: Here's the box I put together. $350 or so. :) |
| 01:11.23 | karsten | Azar: ? |
| 01:11.28 | terr_ | h3xis: Oh I wish I'd known that! I was worried about labling the cables and all sorts of shit. |
| 01:11.31 | Kevin` | terr_ the scsi/usb devices aren't allocated by the usb port anyway, and you can have many devices attached to the samr port (with hubs) |
| 01:11.36 | Azar | karsten: look at the bugs list.... is there |
| 01:11.41 | terr_ | h3xis: how many devices can you put on a usb? |
| 01:12.04 | h3xis | terr_, i dont remember, it's more than a hundred IIRC |
| 01:12.05 | Kevin` | terr_ more then you need to :), I think it's 250 something |
| 01:12.10 | h3xis | yeah ^ |
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| 01:12.37 | h3xis | terr_, up to 127 on a bus |
| 01:12.39 | terr_ | what about the cable length? DO they daisy chain likes SCSI does? ANd can we support SCSI devices via the usb? |
| 01:12.41 | Azar | karsten: speaking of keyboards.. I once met online an old lady who did not know what for is the keyboard and she used an on-screen keyboard with the remote control learning and writing her own html webpage |
| 01:13.00 | dvs | heh |
| 01:13.09 | Azar | man that was impressive |
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| 01:13.21 | enouf | terr_: lshal | grep -i usb_device.product should show you your controller .. man lshal for more |
| 01:13.25 | Kevin` | I don't believe you can directly daisy chain usb devices.. don't take my word on that though |
| 01:13.26 | terr_ | azar no stoopid |
| 01:13.33 | dvs | Azar: didn't the onscreen keyboard look anything like the real keyboard? |
| 01:13.47 | Lerner | is the linux kernal firewall sufficiant for server security? |
| 01:13.50 | h3xis | terr_, max is 5m i think |
| 01:14.00 | Azar | dvs she was on webtv, she bought the unit and the remote, never thought she needs to buy the keyboard as well |
| 01:14.03 | terr_ | lshal command not found. |
| 01:14.12 | Kevin` | Lerner that's a question for YOU to answer. the firewall does it's job well |
| 01:14.14 | dvs | Azar: apparently not |
| 01:14.16 | terr_ | h3xis: you can get 75 feet with scsi. |
| 01:14.18 | enouf | terr_: IIRC, cablelimit for usb is 3 meters or so .. and daisy-chaining is allowed, but you may not like it too much :-P |
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| 01:14.42 | enouf | terr_: linux-usb.org |
| 01:14.44 | terr_ | enouf: why wouldn't i wnat daisy chaining? |
| 01:15.31 | enouf | terr_: well .. just usb nature .. and the TT controller .. need good hubs/controllers for effectiveness |
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| 01:15.40 | Kevin` | hmm i'm going to have to try daisy-chaining usb devices then. I don't have any cables made like that currently |
| 01:16.13 | terr_ | how in the hell does firefox know all about the linux-usb site? I've never been there before. |
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| 01:16.50 | enouf | terr_: some info http://www.commsdesign.com/design_corner/OEG20020710S0009 |
| 01:17.00 | terr_ | enouf I'm on a version 1.1 port. I suppose I just lose speed. how much should I look to pay for a good hub? |
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| 01:17.33 | enouf | terr_: with 1.1 i wouldn't even bother .. save for mice/keyboards/peripherals |
| 01:17.38 | Kevin` | google says direct daisy chaining isn't supported by the current usb spec |
| 01:18.05 | terr_ | enouf: seems ok for this usb disk drive. perhaps the speed is pathetic? |
| 01:18.10 | karsten | Azar: ?? |
| 01:18.24 | enouf | terr_: you said it |
| 01:18.41 | Kevin` | terr_ usb1.1 is 12mbps.. if that's enough for you for all those devices, fine :) |
| 01:18.48 | terr_ | enouf: can you give me an idea of the speed of a 1.1 verses 2? |
| 01:18.55 | wad | So, I told the motherboard BIOS to make a RAID-1 (mirroring) out of my two SATA drives. I did it, and one drive was designated SOURCE and the other MIRROR, in the bios. But when I installed from the netinst CD, Etch asked which drive to install to. I chose the one that had been designated SOURCE. Now it's got a base install, but when I cat /proc/partitions it shows something strange: 8 0 244198584 sda, 8 1 241545276 sda1, 8 2 1 sda2, 8 |
| 01:18.56 | wad | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.56 | enouf | terr_: plus I'm biased against the overall interface (can you tell? :-P) |
| 01:18.57 | Kevin` | usb2 is 480mbps |
| 01:19.02 | terr_ | and can we run old scsi devices over usb? |
| 01:19.15 | enouf | terr_: its all in the url I gave you |
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| 01:19.34 | terr_ | enouf: let me go read it then. |
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| 01:19.41 | Kevin` | terr_ you'd need a controller, usb client and scsi host.. |
| 01:19.44 | wad | Should I even really see sdb? And if I saw it, shouldn't it really be the same as sda? |
| 01:19.47 | wad | It's the mirror, right? |
| 01:19.57 | killux | how do you install X. Whats the package's name? |
| 01:20.09 | wols | wad: you only have fakeraid |
| 01:20.10 | wad | killux: KDE or gnome, usually. :) |
| 01:20.23 | wad | wols: It's on the motherboard, yeah. But that's good enough for me. |
| 01:20.28 | killux | i dont KDE or Gnome though |
| 01:20.32 | terr_ | `Kevin: I presume they can be purchased? If so then I can buy a mini-max and run my 3590 tape drive (Its differential scsi tho) |
| 01:20.34 | killux | *dont want |
| 01:20.41 | wad | killux: There are other desktops, but they suck. |
| 01:20.46 | chemist | isnt X xserver-xorg? |
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| 01:21.05 | Kevin` | terr_ i've never had need of one. google shows some |
| 01:21.08 | wad | s/suck/aren't as well supported/ |
| 01:21.09 | killux | im not looking for a desktop, I am looking for a WM |
| 01:21.13 | killux | thanks chemist |
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| 01:21.38 | terr_ | `Kevin: that's good to know. I'll check with google later |
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| 01:21.44 | enouf | terr_: dunno about the scsi use (though the mmc is used) .. just some more general usb info (1.01.1/2.0) for ya http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=339086&rl=1 |
| 01:21.58 | enouf | er 1.0, 1.1 2.0 * |
| 01:22.15 | enouf | !commasmite me |
| 01:22.17 | terr_ | I'm just glad I got this stuff running! major step fwrd. |
| 01:22.44 | killux | chemist, thats not the package name |
| 01:23.43 | terr_ | IS there any real difference between USB cables? I see costs from 2 bux to 30 bux. |
| 01:24.10 | wad | terr_, Nope, it's all marketing. |
| 01:24.45 | wad | GET THE _M_O_N_S_T_E_R_ CABLES TO BE THE FASTEST!!!! <--- for gullible fools |
| 01:24.50 | Dewi | terr_: you might squeeze a couple of extra megabits through the expensive ones, but would you notice? :P |
| 01:24.50 | terr_ | wad thot so. |
| 01:24.54 | killux | wait would X reside in the stable repo? |
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| 01:25.08 | krazykit | wad: they give you more megabytes |
| 01:25.10 | xjkx | i cant mount |
| 01:25.18 | terr_ | Dewi: no. ANd any company like Best Buy will buy the cheap ones and tell you they are the expensive ones. |
| 01:25.24 | enouf | terr_: well .. I wouldn't buy one from the 5 and dime (dollar store) .. but 30$ sounds like Apple's niche price for ANY accessory .. heh |
| 01:25.27 | xjkx | root /home/safe # -> mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
| 01:25.27 | xjkx | mount: permission denied |
| 01:25.27 | xjkx | root /home/safe # -> |
| 01:25.28 | Dewi | terr_: they sure will |
| 01:25.57 | abrotman | killux: depends on your version of debian .. which do you have ? |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | and whihc WM do you want ? |
| 01:26.02 | terr_ | enouf: best buy - 6' cable - $20 bux. I bought a 10' for $4 bux at another shop I know of. |
| 01:26.04 | killux | sarge |
| 01:26.09 | killux | openbox |
| 01:26.16 | xjkx | problem mounting |
| 01:26.26 | abrotman | apt-get install openbox xdm x-window-system-core |
| 01:26.29 | terr_ | I see USB 1.1 is 12 Mbps and 1.5 slow mode |
| 01:26.32 | enouf | terr_: there are a few online places to shop for cabling .. caveat emptor, just as with any/all consumer goods |
| 01:26.41 | terr_ | wow that is slow compared to 2.0 |
| 01:26.49 | enouf | yep |
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| 01:27.20 | terr_ | enough I bought mine from www.vfxweb.com BTW I know the guys. THey are very good. PIII 1000MHz for uner $100 bux plus S&H |
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| 01:27.22 | killux | thanks abrotman. How come debian names X so weird? |
| 01:27.33 | Victor``` | XFree86 as opposed to X.org? |
| 01:27.37 | xjkx | abrotman, dont you have any apt-get-magic for me? in mounting problem |
| 01:27.49 | abrotman | xjkx: i didn't see your problem |
| 01:28.51 | abrotman | killux: NFC |
| 01:28.52 | enouf | terr_: then you satrt trying to throw in PCI USB 2.0 cards, and now your PCI bus is saturated, and you're wondering why you're not getting the throughput you expect .. bottom line, leave 1.1 mobos as is ;-) .. use Firewire/Sata/other whenever you can |
| 01:28.52 | Guerin | !irritate abrotman |
| 01:28.52 | dpkg | abrotman: hi every1 how does I run teh mouse lol |
| 01:28.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:28.53 | enouf | terr_: that is if your mobo chipset can even handle 2.0 |
| 01:29.03 | abrotman | xjkx: does the /dev/cdrom and /cdrom exist ? |
| 01:29.03 | killux | color depth 24 good for a crt monitor 15 inch monitor? |
| 01:29.14 | killux | whatever |
| 01:29.23 | killux | i can always change the config |
| 01:29.33 | abrotman | depends on your vid card .. |
| 01:29.37 | Dewi | killux: I don't think CRT monitors have a colour depth |
| 01:29.49 | Guerin | killux: yes, there's no reason to not use 24-bit in this day and age, unless you use beryl |
| 01:30.00 | killux | no i dont use beryl |
| 01:30.01 | xjkx | abrotman, yes |
| 01:30.12 | xjkx | abrotman, its a link to /etc/hdc and hdc is my cdrom |
| 01:30.15 | xjkx | ops |
| 01:30.17 | Guerin | Dewi: right, but that controls what the card outputs |
| 01:30.19 | xjkx | to /dev/hdc |
| 01:30.19 | abrotman | is there a CD in it ? |
| 01:30.25 | terr_ | enouf: No - its a 1999 asus mobo and I doubt it can handle USB 2.0 I was suprised it can handle 1.1 (and elated) |
| 01:30.26 | xjkx | yes |
| 01:30.31 | xjkx | yes there is a cd |
| 01:30.31 | abrotman | xjkx: what's the error ? |
| 01:30.35 | abrotman | what kind of CD ? |
| 01:30.41 | dvs | xjkx: are you part of the cdrom group? |
| 01:30.42 | xjkx | data cd |
| 01:30.47 | xjkx | i am root |
| 01:30.49 | xjkx | root /home/safe # -> mount /dev/hdc /cdrom |
| 01:30.50 | xjkx | mount: permission denied |
| 01:30.50 | xjkx | root /home/safe # -> |
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| 01:30.51 | abrotman | i assumed based on his prompt he was root |
| 01:30.56 | terr_ | enouf: This machine is fast enough for me. Its a 1.3 GHz tualatin core PIII |
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| 01:31.02 | enouf | terr_: heh .. you can use firewire though |
| 01:31.05 | abrotman | xjkx: how about just mount /cdrom ? |
| 01:31.12 | dvs | oh I just got here. I'm slow. as usual |
| 01:31.16 | xjkx | same error |
| 01:31.20 | terr_ | enouf: how would I interface firewire to this mobo? |
| 01:31.28 | enouf | terr_: PCI card |
| 01:31.44 | terr_ | enouf: why would I not want to put in a PCI bus USB controller? |
| 01:31.52 | Azar | karsten: ? |
| 01:31.58 | enouf | terr_: the difference in the bus design |
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| 01:32.28 | terr_ | enouf: are you saying the bus gets too many interupts? |
| 01:32.28 | enouf | terr_: google firewire vs usb , and follow those other urls i threw out |
| 01:32.44 | enouf | terr_: no .. CPU usage and signaling |
| 01:32.50 | terr_ | enouf: already reading what you =sent me. |
| 01:32.51 | karsten | Azar: I wasn't listening |
| 01:33.09 | abrotman | xjkx: ls -l /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
| 01:33.11 | Azar | karsten: you called me earlier while I was away |
| 01:33.13 | xjkx | abrotman, some cds it mounts but gives "mount: permission error" anyway, others it cant mount |
| 01:33.14 | terr_ | enouf: let me read up on this. |
| 01:33.17 | terr_ | bbl |
| 01:33.35 | enouf | terr_: IOW, using firewire is just the lesser of the two evils on that mobo |
| 01:33.38 | karsten | Azar: Was trying to figure out what you were talking about, which apparently wasn't much. |
| 01:33.47 | xjkx | abrotman, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2006-10-28 03:42 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc /cdrom: total 0 |
| 01:33.49 | Azar | ah ok :) |
| 01:34.06 | xjkx | brwxrwxrwx 1 root disk 22, 0 2001-04-14 21:43 /dev/hdc |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 01:34.18 | dvs | yeah wtf |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman | !paster |
| 01:34.20 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 01:34.23 | abrotman | xjkx: ^^ |
| 01:34.23 | dvs | it's disk! |
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| 01:34.27 | enouf | terr_: BTW .. about that time 2.0 was just starting to be supported in the Intel ICHs |
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| 01:34.29 | Azar | xjkx: use a paster and paste all fstab for abrotman |
| 01:34.30 | terr_ | enouf: I don't presently own any firewire or usb devices. But I like the memory sticks and I'll buy a few of them. What is the reliability of these things? |
| 01:34.38 | enouf | terr_: 2.0 usb that is |
| 01:34.54 | xjkx | Azar, but i am mounting with full command, it shouldn't even check fastab |
| 01:34.56 | enouf | terr_: of USB key?s? |
| 01:34.58 | terr_ | enouf: you mean 1999? |
| 01:35.08 | enouf | I don;t personally use them much |
| 01:35.29 | enouf | terr_: yes .. |
| 01:35.36 | enouf | 2000 ish actually |
| 01:35.41 | terr_ | enouf: I'm not sure what they are called. The one I borrowed was a 4GB stick and my buddy called it a "jump drive". |
| 01:36.01 | enouf | same thing pendrive/jump-drive/usb-key |
| 01:36.21 | enouf | gogo gadget gidget ;-) |
| 01:36.33 | terr_ | enouf: ok. I wasn't sure. Where'd they come up with a stuppid name like "jump-drive"? |
| 01:36.51 | Azar | xjkx: look at mine: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5712 |
| 01:36.52 | Guerin | terr_: because people are stupid |
| 01:36.52 | dvs | terr_: Ask Lexar |
| 01:37.00 | krazykit | terr_: truly a mystery of our time. |
| 01:37.10 | enouf | terr_: nfc :-) |
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| 01:37.21 | Azar | xjkx: now paste yours for abrotman to see |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | i'm not sur ei want to see it! |
| 01:37.45 | uzer | anyone know of any wine repositories that have updated builds? |
| 01:37.47 | Azar | hahahahahahaha!!! |
| 01:39.01 | dvs | ewwww |
| 01:39.31 | Azar | hey I have the perfect fstab |
| 01:39.37 | enouf | heh .. i got kicked out of d-ot for idling, Azar .. you'd be great there .. go visit |
| 01:39.54 | wols | enouf: true words |
| 01:39.56 | Azar | ok with joy |
| 01:40.10 | wols | can we kick him here for not idling? |
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| 01:40.37 | abrotman | enouf: that's not quite why .. but we'll leave it at that |
| 01:40.54 | uzer | what is /lib/init/rw usually used for? after startup a tmpfs is mounted there with nothing in it |
| 01:41.11 | wols | abrotman: what did he do? asked debian questions there? |
| 01:41.29 | abrotman | nah |
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| 01:43.05 | Reves | can i please please talk someone into helping me with a little error im having. |
| 01:43.06 | Reves | ./mangos-realmd: error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlclient_r.so.15: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 01:44.36 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 01:44.47 | Reves | 3.1 |
| 01:44.56 | abrotman | it doesn't have libmysql-client15 |
| 01:45.03 | abrotman | !find libmysqlclient sarge |
| 01:45.04 | Reves | is there any way i can get it. |
| 01:45.09 | abrotman | maybe with backports.org |
| 01:45.17 | asg | abrotman: it puts the lotion on its back? |
| 01:45.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libmysqlclient' (2 of 4): (/usr/lib/{libmysqlclient.so.14|libmysqlclient.so.14.0.0|libmysqlclient_r.so.14|...}) in libs/libmysqlclient14 ;; (/usr/lib/{libmysqlclient.so.12|libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0|libmysqlclient_r.so.12|...}) in libs/libmysqlclient12. |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | asg: i doubt mysql could do anything useful |
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| 01:45.54 | Reves | i installed libmysqlclient12-dev sarge from apt-get |
| 01:46.00 | Reves | didnt hav any results. |
| 01:46.15 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 01:46.20 | abrotman | try backports.org |
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| 01:47.17 | asg | abrotman: mysqladmin drop mysql? |
| 01:47.27 | abrotman | hehe :) |
| 01:49.17 | Reves | sorry im very new to linux.. and i cannot find anything about that package |
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| 01:50.47 | abrotman | Reves: http://backports.org .. read the instructions .. install libmysqlclient15 |
| 01:53.06 | wad | Okay, so I'm giving up on getting my motherboard's BIOS to do RAID-1 for me. I'm just going to use Debian's software RAID for my mirroring. |
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| 01:53.30 | Reves | k im in ect/apt and i did edit sources.list and i get |
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| 01:53.40 | wad | When I was messing with Sarge, in the installation there was an option under the partitioning step to configure software RAID. It's gone in Etch! Where do I do this? |
| 01:53.40 | Reves | XLHost:/etc/apt# edit sources.list |
| 01:53.57 | bragon | hello world |
| 01:54.07 | Reves | Warning: unknown mime-type for "sources.list" -- using "application/*" |
| 01:54.21 | Reves | Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*" |
| 01:54.24 | Reves | what would cause that. |
| 01:54.26 | bragon | i search debian packages , to make a .deb when i compiled a program src |
| 01:54.43 | Reves | was goign to add them to the source list. |
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| 01:54.52 | Reves | but it wont let me edit.. i get that error. |
| 01:55.21 | Reves | abrotman any idea there. |
| 01:55.22 | bragon | what can i use to make a .deb when i compile a program, i want to make unofficial packages |
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| 01:55.32 | abrotman | use vi ? |
| 01:55.39 | Reves | use vi? |
| 01:55.39 | bragon | haha |
| 01:56.00 | bragon | i use emacs :) |
| 01:56.12 | dvs | bragon: so? I use xemacs! ;-) |
| 01:56.25 | bragon | emacs -nw roulz |
| 01:56.25 | bragon | :) |
| 01:56.33 | bzed | bragon: either use checkinstall, or google for the debian new maintainers guide to figure out how to make a serious mackage. dh-make will help you by that |
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| 01:56.38 | bragon | any debian developers here ? |
| 01:56.39 | Azar | wad: is not gone, you should have chosen expert mode |
| 01:56.50 | bragon | dh-make |
| 01:56.51 | bragon | ok thx |
| 01:57.08 | wad | Azar: There was no "expert mode" option. But, I think I found the solution just now: http://ads.wars-nicht.de/blog/archives/54-Install-Debian-Etch-on-a-Software-Raid-1-with-S-ATA-disks.html |
| 01:57.13 | wad | Google Knows All |
| 01:57.15 | bzed | bragon: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ you wanna read that :) |
| 01:57.24 | Reves | Warning: unknown mime-type for "sources.list" -- using "application/*" Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*" |
| 01:57.26 | bragon | thanks bzed :) |
| 01:57.32 | bragon | i want to make packages for ppc |
| 01:57.34 | Reves | when trying to edit my sources.list to add backports |
| 01:57.41 | Reves | any idea what may be causing that. |
| 01:57.43 | bragon | because we need ppc packages i trust ! |
| 01:57.53 | wols | Reves: what editor? |
| 01:57.58 | Reves | dunno |
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| 01:58.04 | wols | then find out |
| 01:58.05 | Reves | i have debian 3.1 |
| 01:58.10 | bzed | bragon: what do you wanna package? |
| 01:58.12 | Reves | doing this through ssh. |
| 01:58.14 | wols | you already said that |
| 01:58.32 | bzed | Reves: what did you do to try to edit the file? |
| 01:58.35 | wols | how did you start that editor? |
| 01:58.35 | Reves | is there a apt-get package thats a better editor i should get. |
| 01:58.40 | Reves | edit sources.list |
| 01:58.52 | ZeeO | how do i go about installing one package out of unstable if i'm runing stable i want this package http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/hellanzb |
| 01:58.57 | wols | use nano sources.list |
| 01:59.09 | wols | !tell ZeeO about simple sid backport |
| 01:59.12 | asg | ZeeO: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:59.15 | bragon | bzed do you know weechat, tmw or wesnoth or just for my powerbook kernel (i use make-kpkg for that) other still in developpement programmes ? |
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| 01:59.21 | Reves | thanks so much that did it. |
| 01:59.21 | wols | !tell ZeeO about bobbitt |
| 01:59.40 | Azar | Reves: you want an X editor or text editor? |
| 02:00.11 | bragon | bzed this packages are often outdates for this programmes and i need the latest :) so i want to help debian communauty |
| 02:00.11 | Reves | i got it with that nano command. |
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| 02:00.31 | bragon | for ppc arch |
| 02:00.39 | wad | I'm suddenly stuck. What partition table type do I want? This is a debian-only box. Options are: amiga, bsd, dvh, gpt, mac, msdos, pc98, s390, sun, loop. |
| 02:00.40 | bragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.57 | bragon | (sorry my english is very bad ...) |
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| 02:01.08 | bzed | bragon: uhm, if the package in sid is really outdated, you'd wanna file a wishlist bug against it and ask the maintainer to update it |
| 02:01.28 | bzed | bragon: probably you just need to do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 02:01.37 | Reves | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libmysqlclient15: Depends: mysql-common (>= 5.0.18-8bpo1).. does that mean i have the wrong version of mysql. |
| 02:01.48 | bragon | bzed i want to be maintainer for tmw because no maintainer are design at the moment ! |
| 02:01.53 | Guerin | it means you fucked up your backports.org deb line |
| 02:01.58 | Guerin | in sources.list |
| 02:01.59 | bzed | no |
| 02:02.04 | bzed | it does not Guerin |
| 02:02.04 | Azar | wad: try to see where ext3 is |
| 02:02.05 | Reves | lol ok ill check that again . |
| 02:02.15 | bzed | Reves: apt-get -t sarge-backports install mysql-common |
| 02:02.23 | wad | Azar, allright. I'll google it. |
| 02:02.32 | bragon | bzed i use debian since a long time i know how to have a distribution uptodate thank you :) |
| 02:02.34 | Azar | wad: noooo on your partition menu |
| 02:02.35 | bzed | Reves: apt-get -t sarge-backports install mysql-common libmysqlclient1 |
| 02:02.38 | bzed | Reves: apt-get -t sarge-backports install mysql-common libmysqlclient15 |
| 02:02.39 | Guerin | bzed: deps should be dragged in automatically unless he's pinned it way down |
| 02:02.52 | bzed | Guerin: no from backports |
| 02:02.59 | Reves | thanks so much it worked bzed. |
| 02:03.04 | bzed | Guerin: you need to add a -t sarge-backports |
| 02:03.05 | wad | Azar: I will use the ext3 file system, but the installer is asking what "partition table type" to use. ext3 is not listed. |
| 02:03.10 | bzed | Reves: np |
| 02:03.18 | Guerin | they did when I last used them - you got a deb line which contained the package you want and all its deps |
| 02:03.35 | wad | I'm guessing "msdos" because it's a PC. |
| 02:03.37 | Azar | wad: out of all those choices Id check bsd |
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| 02:03.46 | xjkx | how do i know my modem? |
| 02:03.48 | wad | Azar: noted. :) |
| 02:03.52 | bragon | bzed are you debian developers ? |
| 02:03.55 | Guerin | wad: partition table type should be `linux' |
| 02:03.56 | bintut | anyone here made the linksys wusb54g-v4 work on debian etch? |
| 02:03.57 | Reves | ./mangos-realmd: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.... well atleast im past the mysqlclient problem lol |
| 02:04.02 | Guerin | or similar |
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| 02:04.08 | Azar | man they fsked again the partition on the installer... hard for us the newbies |
| 02:04.10 | bzed | wad: well, you need msdos if you wanna install windows or anything else. if not, it does not really matter, but msdos is the easiest to handle on pcs |
| 02:04.24 | wad | There is no "linux" option. |
| 02:04.30 | wad | I guess msdos is the one to pick. |
| 02:04.30 | xjkx | lspci shows me my modem? (i cant execute here coz its on another machine) |
| 02:04.32 | Azar | yea I guessed... |
| 02:04.44 | Guerin | wad: what options are there? |
| 02:04.45 | bzed | Reves: apt-get -t sarge-backports install libssl0.9.8 |
| 02:04.46 | Azar | Guerin if no linux what out of all those choices? |
| 02:04.57 | bzed | wad: yes, msdos |
| 02:04.57 | wad | Options are: amiga, bsd, dvh, gpt, mac, msdos, pc98, s390, sun, loop. |
| 02:05.08 | bragon | bzed i really want to become package maintener for ppc arch ! |
| 02:05.18 | Guerin | oh, duh |
| 02:05.23 | bzed | wad: anything else is not worth the hassle. althoguh I find sun/bsd disklabels somewhat sexy :P |
| 02:05.29 | Guerin | sorry, i just upscrolled |
| 02:05.30 | wad | :) |
| 02:06.18 | abrotman | bzed: you wrecked something .. ask jetscreamer |
| 02:06.56 | bzed | abrotman: muahaahaaa |
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| 02:06.56 | bzed | bragon: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-new-maintainer.en.html |
| 02:06.57 | bragon | thx |
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| 02:07.06 | Reves | na bzed not a valid package |
| 02:07.31 | abrotman | !mg |
| 02:07.32 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 02:07.36 | wad | Okay, cool the software RAID is working! I did the manual partitioning magic, and got a menu item, "Configure software RAID". I had to specify the type of the partitions as "Physical RAID volumes". Yay! |
| 02:08.26 | wad | I'm a bit hazy on one point: Both drives are 250GB drives. Each one has a /swap on it (2.1GB). Do I really want this? |
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| 02:08.32 | bzed | Reves: well then, you either have to backport it on your own, or upgrade to etch, or do some nasty hacks.... or jsut ask the create of that binary blob of software you wanna use to give you the source so you can build it on your own |
| 02:08.50 | wad | I'm going to mirror both drives.... do the swap partitions need to be mirrored also? Am I wasting 2.1 GB on the second drive? |
| 02:09.00 | bzed | wad: you wanna mirror the swp, yes |
| 02:09.07 | wad | ok |
| 02:09.15 | bzed | wad: you need to setup the mirror first, then you can partition the mirror |
| 02:09.22 | wad | ah |
| 02:09.46 | bzed | wad: so you need to remove the swap again and create one partition on both drives, containing the whole drive, and set the option to 'space for md/raid' or so, dunno what the exact type was |
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| 02:10.00 | bzed | wad: then you go and split the mirror again into the partitions you need |
| 02:10.02 | wad | cool! |
| 02:10.07 | wad | doing it |
| 02:10.14 | bzed | bragon: do you have a link to tmw.. or however it was called? |
| 02:10.24 | bzed | wad: you wanna use grub as bootmanager |
| 02:10.35 | wad | yes, of course. :) |
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| 02:11.00 | Guerin | hm, d-lined |
| 02:11.06 | bzed | wad: as an explanation why you wanna mirror the swap.. imagine a non-mirrored swap... and one drive failes, and your memory is swapped out on the failing drive, guess what will happen :P |
| 02:11.19 | wad | ouch. |
| 02:11.52 | bzed | exactly ;D |
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| 02:13.38 | wad | Sweet, this tool is AWESOME! |
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| 02:14.39 | abrotman | Guerin: that's odd .. i htink he used to be a regular |
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| 02:14.55 | Reves | found one.. how do i install a deb file |
| 02:15.12 | bzed | Reves: dpkg -i thatfile.deb |
| 02:15.17 | Guerin | abrotman: right. |
| 02:15.25 | xjkx | the modem says "0000:00:09.0 Modem: Intel Corporation FA82537EP 56K V.92 Data/Fax Modem PCI (rev 03)" isn't there many intel modems?how do i know the exactly driver to look for? |
| 02:15.25 | Guerin | abrotman: and he's freenode staff |
| 02:15.27 | t0k3n | anyone know about freebsd lol |
| 02:15.37 | t0k3n | no one in their room lol |
| 02:15.43 | abrotman | nalioth: do you know what that was about ? |
| 02:16.02 | Guerin | xjkx: there are several intel modems with some drivers - google the chipset number |
| 02:16.38 | xjkx | lol it sucks, the pc i am talking about has no internet, it's a simulation only, won't be this modem |
| 02:16.44 | bzed | xjkx: chances with those pci stuff are always high that it'll just stay a brick |
| 02:16.45 | nalioth | abrotman: what is that? |
| 02:16.53 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:17.01 | Guerin | get a real modem, they're still available |
| 02:17.12 | abrotman | nalioth: the dline on numist ... |
| 02:17.22 | bzed | xjkx: or get a isdn card, if you ahve isdn |
| 02:17.28 | Guerin | isdn |
| 02:17.30 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:17.43 | bzed | Guerin: why do you laugh? that's jsut the standard ehre |
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| 02:17.57 | nalioth | abrotman: looks like he stuck his finger in a light socket to me |
| 02:18.18 | bzed | Guerin: I was very happy over the isdn flatrate for internet, 10 years ago |
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| 02:18.35 | abrotman | nalioth: eh .. ok .. but he's staff .. |
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| 02:18.54 | nalioth | abrotman: must have been a super-charged light socket, eh? |
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| 02:19.26 | jetscreamer | huh? |
| 02:19.31 | Plouj | gah, I just installed debian 3.1 and pressing the home or end keys prints ~ rather than moving the cursor. How do I change this behavior? |
| 02:19.31 | Reves | k im figuring out how to get the packages installed now.. but when i run into a conflicting package like initrd-tools how do i uninstall them. so i can install the packages i need. |
| 02:19.32 | jetscreamer | ask me what? |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | nalioth: we'll leave it at that~! |
| 02:19.41 | abrotman | bzed: run! |
| 02:19.48 | bzed | lol |
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| 02:20.02 | jetscreamer | ah the factoid bandit |
| 02:20.10 | Azar | hehe |
| 02:20.17 | Reves | bzed how do i do that? if ya dont mind me asking. |
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| 02:20.32 | bzed | abrotman: but you're right, it's 0320am, and I shoudl be in bed, exam are coming soon :( |
| 02:20.42 | wad | Hmmm. It looks like I need to set up two MD (multidisk) devices. One for my data, and one for SWAP. |
| 02:20.46 | bzed | Reves: you don't uninstall initrd-tools, or you'll break your system |
| 02:20.47 | jetscreamer | a gmt'er |
| 02:20.57 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 02:21.05 | jetscreamer | you ' |
| 02:21.06 | wad | Wait, that won't work. |
| 02:21.09 | bzed | jetscreamer: no, gmt+1 |
| 02:21.11 | Azar | Plouj: use the keypad for cursor if you do not have up/down/left/right keys separately |
| 02:21.19 | jetscreamer | err.. you 'can' get it uninstalled... it's a pain though |
| 02:21.25 | bzed | haha |
| 02:21.28 | bzed | yes |
| 02:21.35 | Plouj | Azar: I want to use home/end because they require only one press to get to the start/end of the line |
| 02:21.37 | bzed | Reves: what do you wanna install? |
| 02:21.53 | bzed | Plouj: in which program? |
| 02:21.55 | Azar | Plouj: using a desktop ? or console? |
| 02:22.04 | Plouj | bzed: in the default Debian's shell |
| 02:22.12 | jetscreamer | there are also different flavors that provide that... yaird does not depend on udev |
| 02:22.13 | bzed | Plouj: use ctrl+a and ctrl + e |
| 02:22.23 | wad | Man, I can't figure out how to get a swap partition when using software RAID-1. |
| 02:22.39 | bzed | jetscreamer: there's no udev in sarge per default |
| 02:22.47 | bzed | wad: just create a partition |
| 02:22.56 | jetscreamer | ah sarge |
| 02:23.02 | bzed | wad: and change it's type to swap, where you would select the filesystem |
| 02:23.06 | jetscreamer | i don't know how to think in sarge |
| 02:23.10 | Reves | well i have libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5.. i need 2.3.6-6.. i downloaded the deb and tried to install it.. and it said that initrd-tools conflicted with it. |
| 02:23.11 | Plouj | bzed: no thanks. Ctrl+a is to exit out of the shell on sensible systems, and I prefer _one_ key to move to the front/back of the line. |
| 02:23.24 | bzed | Plouj: no, that's ctrl+d |
| 02:23.31 | Plouj | bzed: erm, ctrl+a is not exit, but ctrl+a is used in screen |
| 02:23.39 | wad | bzed: I'll go back and try that. What I wound up with is a 250GB partition that I can't resize. |
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| 02:23.47 | wad | "Software RAID device" |
| 02:23.53 | wad | I'll delete it and try again. :) |
| 02:23.53 | Plouj | bzed: in screen ctrl+a followed by ctrl+d is exit |
| 02:23.56 | bzed | wad: it should display a md device |
| 02:24.10 | Plouj | bzed: plus, there is no reason for the home and end keys to print ~ |
| 02:24.11 | wad | Oh, I see! |
| 02:24.12 | bzed | Plouj: followed by a ctrl+d, do you see something? |
| 02:24.22 | wad | I deleted that partition.... now I should be able to create my own... cool. |
| 02:24.29 | jetscreamer | Reves: you don't want to 'download the deb' you want to use backports, iirc.. but i don't know your whole story (nor want to, gtg) |
| 02:24.29 | bzed | wad: you hit on that one ;) |
| 02:24.34 | Plouj | bzed: what? |
| 02:24.45 | wad | Doh! |
| 02:24.54 | wad | "Failed to partition the selected disk" |
| 02:24.54 | bzed | Plouj: where's the problem to use ctrl+a, I can;t see any. it's ctrl+a since ancient times |
| 02:25.06 | wad | Never mind, I'll noodle around with it for a while. |
| 02:25.48 | bzed | wad: http://ads.wars-nicht.de/blog/archives/54-Install-Debian-Etch-on-a-Software-Raid-1-with-S-ATA-disks.html |
| 02:26.10 | Azar | bzed: tahts in deutsche |
| 02:26.15 | Plouj | bzed: many problems: it's not intuitive, it's two keys rather than one, there is no reason home/end should print ~, I'm used to it, most other text inputting systems use home/end to move the cursor and breaking this convention is bad system design |
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| 02:26.51 | bzed | Plouj: that home/end key won't work on a lot of systems |
| 02:27.03 | Azar | Plouj: is the pgup/pgdown working? |
| 02:27.18 | Plouj | bzed: all of my computers have home/end keys so why should I care? |
| 02:27.21 | bzed | Plouj: and there is a reason why ctrl + something works and the rest not, a good one, though :) |
| 02:27.36 | wad | bzed: egads. I can't create the swap partition, there are too many primary partitions in the partition table, looks like. |
| 02:27.41 | bzed | Plouj: so just ask the way you're connecting to the remote system, or the remote system, why they don;t work |
| 02:27.44 | Plouj | bzed: try using ctrl+a in a firefox URL bar |
| 02:27.44 | wad | Maybe "msdos" was a bad choice for partition table! |
| 02:27.48 | Azar | Plouj: most of keyboards were made "for mswindows" therefore might not agree with other type of settings |
| 02:27.53 | bzed | wad: no |
| 02:27.56 | amphi | home/end works fine here |
| 02:28.12 | Azar | bzed: why not bsd? |
| 02:28.14 | bzed | wad: did you create a md device? |
| 02:28.15 | Azar | why msdos? |
| 02:28.19 | wad | bzed: |
| 02:28.22 | wad | Yes, looks good. |
| 02:28.32 | bzed | wad: hit enter on that md device |
| 02:28.36 | wad | I have a "RAID1 device #0 - 250.1 GB Software Raid Device" |
| 02:28.48 | wad | ok |
| 02:28.48 | Plouj | bzed: seriously, stop suggesting that I use ctrl+a/e, it's annoying and inconsistent for me |
| 02:29.09 | Plouj | bzed: instead, if you can, help me change so that my system allows me to use home/end or just don't speak |
| 02:29.21 | Dewi | Plouj: my advice: start screen |
| 02:29.25 | jetscreamer | nuke the bastard |
| 02:29.30 | amphi | Plouj: what shell? |
| 02:29.31 | wad | bzed: it says it has "250.1 GB FREE SPACE" under it. hitting ENTER on the line above does nothing. |
| 02:29.33 | Plouj | Dewi: I'm not gonna start screen for every session |
| 02:29.40 | Plouj | amphi: debian's default shell |
| 02:29.40 | wad | Down here, in the FREE SPACE area, |
| 02:29.45 | Dewi | Plouj: for some reason screen talks better with clients like putty than whatever the default is |
| 02:29.46 | bzed | wad: no, you hit it on the 350G free space |
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| 02:29.48 | wad | I can create a partition. |
| 02:30.06 | Dewi | Plouj: why wouldn't you be running screen anyway? What termianl are you using? |
| 02:30.11 | amphi | Plouj: I don't use bash, but I believe setting up /etc/inputrc will do it |
| 02:30.11 | wad | I hit it on the FREE SPACE. So I'm in a menu where I can create partitions to use the FREE SPACE. Is that where you want me? |
| 02:30.22 | Plouj | Dewi: right now, I'm at the actual console (running in vmware-server) |
| 02:30.23 | bzed | wad: yes, that's what you do. small one for boot probably, swap and whatever else you need |
| 02:30.33 | bzed | Plouj: well, I'd blame vmware then |
| 02:30.38 | wad | I'm just wanting to put it all in one, except for swap. |
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| 02:30.43 | Dewi | bzed: er |
| 02:31.02 | Plouj | bzed: what for? |
| 02:31.02 | jetscreamer | cokefoam |
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| 02:31.06 | Dewi | bzed: I think a standard keyboard is a standard keyboard, in vmware or elseware |
| 02:31.10 | wad | bzed: This is where I get the error. It only allows me to create 1 partition. The second one is unusable. |
| 02:31.10 | Dewi | elsewhere even |
| 02:31.17 | wad | Won't let me create a swap. |
| 02:31.30 | bzed | Dewi: vmware show some virtual keyboard controller to the guest, whatever it does inbetween |
| 02:31.35 | wad | When I set up the MD, I told it to use primary partitions. |
| 02:31.51 | wad | I'm thinking maybe I should have used a different option or something. |
| 02:31.52 | Plouj | whew! |
| 02:31.56 | amphi | bzed: I doubt that is the issue |
| 02:31.59 | wad | Seems that my partition table isn't working out. |
| 02:32.03 | Plouj | this was easier than last time I tried on a different system, amphi, thanks |
| 02:32.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he broke your factoid! |
| 02:32.07 | bzed | wad: ok then, if you want to put it in one blob anyway, there's an easy way to go |
| 02:32.09 | mtomczak | Greetings all! I went to update my packages today and it seems I've lost my mirror. Aptitude tells me http://mirrors.kernel.org can't give me xserver-xorg. |
| 02:32.16 | Plouj | ok, problem solved, thanks to amphi |
| 02:32.17 | amphi | Plouj: inputrc was it? |
| 02:32.20 | wad | bzed: one blob works for me. :) |
| 02:32.31 | mtomczak | Does anyone know what my package sources should be to get the xorg packages? |
| 02:32.34 | Plouj | amphi: yes, just had to uncomment a nicely commented block of text |
| 02:32.54 | Dewi | Plouj: aah, I see |
| 02:32.55 | Plouj | #allow the use of the Home/End keys! |
| 02:32.56 | wad | Must swap be on its own partition? I've always set systems up like that in the past. :) |
| 02:32.58 | Dewi | Plouj: good result that! |
| 02:33.06 | Dewi | Plouj: wonder why it's not default... |
| 02:33.08 | bzed | wad: delete te mirror and the partitions, and create a swap partition with the same size on each drive, and one partition containning the rest, and then you create 2 mirrors, on one free space you put swap, on the other big free space mirror you put the /. filesys |
| 02:33.18 | amphi | Plouj: heh, good-oh |
| 02:33.23 | bzed | Plouj: did you install the vmware tools? |
| 02:33.34 | Plouj | bzed: no, and I'm not planning to |
| 02:33.52 | Dewi | bzed: I'm not sure how much help they are in console |
| 02:33.53 | wad | bzed: Cool, that's what I was thinking. |
| 02:33.55 | Dewi | bzed: they do install some module though |
| 02:33.57 | wad | I'm doing it. Thanks, man! |
| 02:34.07 | bzed | Dewi: I have no clue, I'm happy with xen |
| 02:34.11 | mtomczak | Ah, my apologies... dpkg was able to help. I think I'm set. :) |
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| 02:34.40 | bzed | wad: np. probably you wanna reboot after deleting the mirror you've created before, the installer was a bit confused the last tim i've tried it |
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| 02:36.57 | maddash | is passwordless ssh more or less secure than ssh with a decent 12-char password? |
| 02:37.21 | t0k3n | more secure |
| 02:37.38 | wad | Roger that. |
| 02:37.50 | dondelelcaro | it depends |
| 02:37.59 | karsten | maddash: passwordless tends to be _less_ secure. |
| 02:38.11 | Dewi | Plouj/amphi: that's cool. Seems to help with my non-screened putty/ssh sessions too. There's other cool bindings in there too |
| 02:38.12 | dondelelcaro | it's less secure in that you only need to jack the key; however, it's more secure in the fact that you have to have the key. |
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| 02:38.20 | wad | So, how big of swap do I really need? This is mostly going to be a web server. It has 1 GB RAM, so should I just make a 1GB swap partition? The tool made it a 1.7 GB swap by default.Seems like a waste. |
| 02:38.29 | karsten | maddash: If you want to be able to get onto a host w/o having to type a password every time, passord + ssh-agent is the way to fly. |
| 02:38.53 | dondelelcaro | wad: it really depends; starting with 1G is reasonable, and increasing it if it starts to run out is fine. |
| 02:38.56 | karsten | dondelelcaro: That depends on whether or not you allow passord-only auth on the server. |
| 02:39.19 | karsten | wad: My rule of thumb is 2x RAM, to a max of max system RAM. |
| 02:39.28 | dondelelcaro | karsten: right; I'm assuming that's the case. |
| 02:39.42 | Dewi | wad: my web server has eaten up my 2.5gb of physical RAM okay |
| 02:39.53 | wad | dang! |
| 02:39.58 | karsten | wad: You can add swap files easily later, but it's hard to repartition. So I tend to overprovision swap especially if I'm planning on upgrading memory later. |
| 02:40.09 | wad | cool. |
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| 02:40.15 | Dewi | wad: but there seem to be all kinds of variables that control how many copies of itself apache will keep around |
| 02:40.29 | Dewi | karsten: why would adding RAM make you need more swap? |
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| 02:40.59 | karsten | Dewi: It doesn't make you use more swap, but if you want to keep things in balance, you're going to have to do something about it. |
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| 02:41.15 | karsten | Dewi: ... and systems in general tend to increase their memory requirements over time. |
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| 02:41.41 | maddash | karsten: thanks. how do you know all this? |
| 02:41.42 | karsten | Dewi: Which gets us back to my point: it's hard to repartition, so if you overprovision, you're future-proofing yourself. |
| 02:42.03 | karsten | maddash: Bitter experience. |
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| 02:42.10 | mtomczak | How do I know if I'm running the sarge version of Debian? |
| 02:42.15 | Dewi | karsten: I'm just surprised people multiply based on physical RAM capacity instead of just "how much RAM can I imagine needing in the lifetime of this machine?" and just giving it that much, even if it's way bigger than physical |
| 02:42.51 | karsten | Dewi: 1. I've had this discussion more times than I care to think, and it starts to bore me. |
| 02:43.12 | karsten | Dewi: 2. There's no such thing as having too much swap (within extreme limits of reason). There is a problem called "not enough memory". |
| 02:43.30 | Dewi | karsten: yep, that's what I'm trying to say really. |
| 02:43.45 | Azar | I was told to assign 1/4 for swap |
| 02:43.52 | Dewi | karsten: possibly partly because modern HDs absolutely dwarf RAM sizes |
| 02:43.59 | karsten | Dewi: 3. Swap serves two purposes. It helps the kernel manage VM better (read Martin Pool's excellent essay on the topic), and it avoids either you or the kernel having to go into OOMK mode. |
| 02:44.09 | karsten | OOMK == out-of-memory killer |
| 02:44.16 | wan | karsten: with 16G of ram, swap is kind of silly |
| 02:44.34 | karsten | wan: It depends on your circumstances. |
| 02:45.13 | Dewi | wan: apache seems to adapt to the amount of traffic and amount of resources available |
| 02:45.26 | Dewi | wan: my web servers always seem to sit around 95% RAM usage, regardless |
| 02:45.41 | karsten | 4. Stuff statically swapped to disk doesn't hurt you. In fact, it helps you, because the stuff that *isn't* statically swapped to disk is able to use real rather than virtual memory, at a performance gain of ~1000%. Actually, better than that, it's able to run, as opposed to run out of memory and crash. |
| 02:45.42 | Dewi | wan: so I'm not sure how much it really *needs* |
| 02:46.12 | karsten | 5. The problem of "swapping" (paging data in/out of swap) is really one of insufficient memory, not too much swap. Which people just don't seem to grok. |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | 1000% ? |
| 02:46.35 | wan | 16G of ram, most of it allocated to cache, so swap in my case, is silly |
| 02:46.54 | abrotman | too much RAM is bad! |
| 02:47.07 | wan | eh? |
| 02:47.09 | cwheeler | another urban myth karsten |
| 02:47.15 | Dewi | abrotman: especially if you don't cache your swap |
| 02:47.17 | karsten | 6. Disk. Is. Cheap. It's about 1000x cheaper than RAM. So even if 16GB swap sounds silly, you're out about a buck-sixty at todays prices. |
| 02:47.21 | karsten | cwheeler: ?? |
| 02:47.29 | cwheeler | like "tcp avoids packet loss you get with udp" |
| 02:47.31 | Guerin | cwheeler: bollocks |
| 02:47.39 | cwheeler | that you can have too much swap |
| 02:47.43 | karsten | cwheeler: ... on congested networks. Also retry timeouts. |
| 02:47.46 | cwheeler | we know that but soe people dont |
| 02:48.18 | Dewi | cwheeler: are you agreeing with karsten or disagreeing? |
| 02:48.25 | cwheeler | agreeing |
| 02:48.28 | karsten | OK. |
| 02:48.35 | karsten | Thought so, wasn't sure. |
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| 02:49.14 | karsten | Anyhow, that's the RAM / swap rant. The only thing that's changed WRT it for the past ten years have been the units of measure. |
| 02:49.35 | karsten | When I first started, it was whether or not allocating 128 MB swap on a 64 MB system was overkill. |
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| 02:49.50 | karsten | I mean, *nobody* would ever use a full 100 MB of RAM for anything .... |
| 02:49.57 | cwheeler | some old docs still apply to systems without demand paged virtual memory which confuses people |
| 02:50.24 | karsten | cwheeler: Yes, Linux pages rather than swaps, which is significant. Upshot being ... |
| 02:50.35 | cwheeler | my first linux machine had 16 meg of ram which cost $400 |
| 02:50.39 | karsten | ... a given program may be partially swapped in or out, which makes things overall more efficient. |
| 02:50.44 | cwheeler | now i find those on the floor |
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| 02:52.17 | karsten | Heh. |
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| 02:54.54 | intruder | is there really any difference between firefox and iceweasel ? except the fact that firefox is not dfsg compliant |
| 02:55.51 | dondelelcaro | intruder: not reallly; you can read the diff.gz if you want to know exactly what has changed |
| 02:58.01 | Azar | swap: http://people.debian.org/~psg/ddg/node81.html |
| 02:58.10 | cwheeler | is there a way to have debian aps use traditional unix keys such as ^K delete to end of line? |
| 02:58.47 | Azar | cwheeler: you talking about when you use an editor? like vim? |
| 02:59.05 | cwheeler | no in iceweasle for instance |
| 02:59.15 | cwheeler | xemacs still uses them |
| 02:59.27 | cwheeler | vi(m) has it's own keys right? |
| 02:59.43 | Azar | well it has |
| 02:59.55 | mtomczak | Hm. I seem to have gotten myself in a real bind... |
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| 03:00.13 | Azar | if you got vim , typing vimtutor will show you all it does |
| 03:00.14 | Guerin | cwheeler: iceweasel used to have such an option |
| 03:00.23 | mtomczak | I'm currently using Etch (v4.0, testing). Does anyone know what my apt sources.list should look like to access the package tree for etch? |
| 03:00.32 | cwheeler | I didn't find it in the properties menus |
| 03:00.32 | Guerin | sorry, firefox |
| 03:00.45 | cwheeler | right firefox 1.5 did |
| 03:01.12 | karsten | On RAM, maximum needed: "The reason is simple. Somewhere in the 50 to 200 megabyte range, all applications, (or at least their active portion), will reside in memory. Doubling memory may allow the entire set of applications to reside in memory, but the performance gain will be small. The larger the memory capacity, the smaller the gain. As a result, additional RAM memory will not be added." |
| 03:01.30 | karsten | http://tinyurl.com/2679gx |
| 03:01.44 | karsten | On Usenet, you're stupid forever. |
| 03:01.48 | Guerin | karsten: those were the days |
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| 03:02.35 | Azar | Less memory means more swap. |
| 03:02.52 | maddash | killall ssh |
| 03:03.05 | maddash | alskdjfasfa;lskdfj sa lkadklna al da |
| 03:03.13 | maddash | oops |
| 03:03.25 | Azar | hehe cat walking on your keyboard? |
| 03:03.42 | maddash | nope. crappy icewm theme that's gotten me confused as to which window has the focus. |
| 03:04.04 | jahshua | e7 ftw! |
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| 03:04.45 | abrotman | you know .. they're up to e17 now ... |
| 03:04.51 | jahshua | eek |
| 03:04.52 | jahshua | haha |
| 03:04.55 | jahshua | :D |
| 03:05.27 | maddash | e17::anna nicole as icewm::....well, the girl next door. |
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| 03:07.28 | Guerin | maddash: you mean, fake, superficial and dead? |
| 03:07.54 | Azar | oops popcon reported having bugs |
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| 03:09.55 | maddash | Guerin: sans dead and fake... |
| 03:10.04 | h3xis | i lol'd |
| 03:10.41 | maddash | Guerin: I was mostly juxtaposing the e17's heavy decorations to the heavy make up |
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| 03:13.17 | mtomczak | What does the error "Couldn't stat source package list" mean when aptitude starts? |
| 03:13.52 | Guerin | mtomczak: it means what it says. Run `aptitude update' to fix it. |
| 03:14.50 | mtomczak | Okay, cool. So "couldn't stat" means "File not found... |
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| 03:15.20 | mtomczak | What threw me was I kinda expected that when I added a new package source to sources.list, aptitude would respond to not having ever cached that package source by caching it. |
| 03:16.52 | Dewi | mtomczak: just run another update if you're worried |
| 03:17.35 | Dewi | mtomczak: and no, aptitude doesn't do anything to the caches until you ask for it by doing 'update' |
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| 03:25.05 | Azar | eh? |
| 03:25.45 | Azar | oh here they are! |
| 03:26.03 | Gecko | *yawn* |
| 03:26.25 | Gecko | This night-shift is killing me |
| 03:26.40 | Azar | play some nethack |
| 03:26.44 | Gecko | Hehehe |
| 03:27.24 | Azar | man I remember when I used to work night shift, they would shut down the a/c in the servers room |
| 03:27.29 | Azar | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww terrible |
| 03:27.40 | Gecko | Why? That's a really bad thing to do |
| 03:27.59 | Azar | Gecko: dunno, not to pay much electricity? |
| 03:28.06 | Azar | six hours shutdown |
| 03:28.16 | Gecko | :( |
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| 03:28.22 | mfrisch | ok I built a deb for my kernel but it doesn't have a initrd image. How do I tell make_kpkg to make it? |
| 03:28.42 | m4ggus[etch] | make-kpkg --initrd |
| 03:29.08 | Gecko | Obvious, isn't it? :D |
| 03:29.10 | mfrisch | m4ggus did that. |
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| 03:29.45 | mfrisch | m4ggus do I need to create a base initrd or something. I have a xen initrd to work on. |
| 03:30.07 | Gecko | mfrisch: be sure that you have mkinitrd installed |
| 03:30.26 | m4ggus | hm strange worked for me since sarge |
| 03:30.50 | Plouj | if I want to update stable to testing, should I re-install from scratch (I can) or upgrade somehow? |
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| 03:31.30 | krazykit | Plouj: you can change all your "stable" and "sarge" to "testing" or "etch" in your sources.list, update, then dist-upgrade |
| 03:31.33 | amphi | Plouj: upgrading should be fine |
| 03:31.33 | mfrisch | Gecko says it could not find anything that mathches wants to install yaird |
| 03:32.09 | Gecko | mfrisch: hang on a sec |
| 03:32.13 | amphi | !tell Plouj about sarge->etch |
| 03:32.20 | SilvioSantoZ | Hello! I'm logged to a Debian Etch machine via ssh. SCSI hang, and no filesystems available. No /sbin/reboot. No other ssh connections accepted. Any ideas on how to reboot? (remotely...) |
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| 03:32.34 | Gecko | mfrisch: it's called initrd-tools |
| 03:33.16 | Gecko | SilvioSantoZ: tried "init 6" ? |
| 03:33.38 | liable | Plouj: i would change the sources file to etch, as if yoyu change it to testing it will stay on testing when etch releases, which you prolly dont want |
| 03:33.55 | Plouj | liable: ah, ok, I used etch |
| 03:34.03 | mfrisch | Gecko ok I got initramfs-tools can I use that? |
| 03:34.06 | SilvioSantoZ | Gecko: it says (via remote syslog): init: no more processes left in this runlevel |
| 03:34.52 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: You have a shell? |
| 03:34.57 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: ... or not? |
| 03:35.09 | Gecko | mfrisch: I'm not sure... |
| 03:35.39 | Azar | hallelujah!! Martin Joey Schulze got a new Weekly News edition! welcome back Joey |
| 03:36.15 | karsten | Azar: Martin Schulze or Joey Hess? |
| 03:36.21 | mfrisch | Gecko its says no installation canidate version found for initrd-tools |
| 03:36.31 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: ?? |
| 03:36.38 | SilvioSantoZ | I do have a shell |
| 03:36.40 | SilvioSantoZ | only one |
| 03:36.49 | SilvioSantoZ | in that shell I only have "echo" and other builtins |
| 03:36.54 | SilvioSantoZ | no filesystems access |
| 03:37.03 | SilvioSantoZ | and I can't open other shells |
| 03:37.08 | Gecko | mfrisch: weird. According to packages.debian.org it's available in stable... |
| 03:37.10 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: You're pretty limited then. |
| 03:37.36 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: If you've got sash, you'll get more builtins. W/o a shell it's hard to run that though. |
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| 03:37.50 | mfrisch | Gecko I'm slow I'm unstable erm on unstable |
| 03:37.55 | SilvioSantoZ | sure, yeah, the "init 6" was a good try hough. |
| 03:37.59 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: Managed power would give you the option to hard reset the system. |
| 03:38.02 | Gecko | mfrisch: ...right... ;) |
| 03:38.09 | enouf | mfrisch: you pass make-kpkg the --inird option .. IIRC |
| 03:38.09 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: 'reboot -f now' is more emphatic. |
| 03:38.11 | xinming | we ever had base-config, But today, I found, base-config is gone. So, What we use please? |
| 03:38.27 | SilvioSantoZ | karsten: definately, but /sbin/reboot gives me a "Bus Error" |
| 03:38.33 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: Note that init expects to be able to cleanly run through the shutdown process. If it can't, you're sunk. |
| 03:38.36 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: :-( |
| 03:38.41 | Gecko | SilvioSantoZ: ok, I have an idea, got shutdown? |
| 03:38.59 | SilvioSantoZ | I tried to somehow copy /sbin/reboot from another machine, to /dev/shm, but I can't since ssh bombs |
| 03:39.00 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: Since init eventually invokes reboot, you'd have hit that anyway, and probably did. |
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| 03:39.22 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: Got remote hands? |
| 03:39.23 | Gecko | SilvioSantoZ: you can make shutdown reboot without going through init with shutdown -rnf now |
| 03:39.31 | karsten | Gecko: bus fault |
| 03:39.33 | enouf | !tell mfrisch - about kp mantra |
| 03:39.36 | karsten | Gecko: erm, error. |
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| 03:39.41 | enouf | !tell mfrisch -about kp mantra |
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| 03:40.03 | SilvioSantoZ | -bash: /sbin/shutdown: Input/output error |
| 03:40.12 | bzed | SilvioSantoZ: or just try reboot -nf |
| 03:40.19 | holycow2 | does anyone know how to partimage an parititon back to an hd from cli so that the dialog does not come up? partimage /dev/sdb1 imagefile.part still pops up the darned ui before starting the imaging ... |
| 03:40.29 | SilvioSantoZ | there's no reboot, halt or shutdown |
| 03:40.35 | Gecko | SilvioSantoZ: ok, you've lost. You need to go on site I reckon |
| 03:40.37 | SilvioSantoZ | there is no / |
| 03:40.41 | bzed | Gecko: shutdown -n is deprecated btw |
| 03:40.48 | bzed | SilvioSantoZ: uh? |
| 03:40.49 | Gecko | bzed: yes, but it still works |
| 03:40.53 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: SOL. You'll need remote hands. Sorry. |
| 03:41.08 | karsten | SilvioSantoZ: sash run over ssh via init can be useful, FYI. |
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| 03:41.22 | SilvioSantoZ | Yes, I think I'll accept that. Thanks!!! |
| 03:41.27 | SilvioSantoZ | I'll look into sash |
| 03:41.28 | Gecko | So is a remote KVM switch for that matter |
| 03:41.30 | SilvioSantoZ | Thanks again |
| 03:41.44 | karsten | Gecko: At this point, managed power would be more useful. |
| 03:41.49 | SilvioSantoZ | it's this damned Adaptec card keeps going offline. |
| 03:42.02 | karsten | Gecko: KVM would just give him the same broken shell / no root. |
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| 03:42.20 | Gecko | karsten: yes, but anything that lets you control the keyboard without going through the OS level is always an advantage |
| 03:42.23 | enouf | xinming: base-config doesn't exist spearately in etch |
| 03:42.33 | enouf | er separately* |
| 03:42.40 | Azar | karsten: Felipe Augusto van de Wiel, Sebastian Feltel and Martin 'Joey' Schulze |
| 03:42.40 | mfrisch | ok. I did make_kpkg --initrd --config menuconfig kernel_image do I just put --initrd infront of kernel_image? |
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| 03:42.47 | bzed | SilvioSantoZ: sounds liek broken ahrdware!? |
| 03:43.07 | karsten | Azar: Yeah, I saw that. |
| 03:43.08 | jetscreamer | after make-kpkg |
| 03:43.16 | jetscreamer | and it's make-kpkg not _ |
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| 03:43.23 | bzed | mfrisch: you can just run make menuconfig. and then run make-kpkg --initrd... to build tha packages |
| 03:43.26 | jetscreamer | anywhere after, afaik |
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| 03:43.28 | Azar | karsten: sorry, i was reading the news... so I didn't see your question in time |
| 03:43.42 | jetscreamer | do make-kpkg --targets |
| 03:43.44 | niriven | Sorry to bother anyone, but, has anyong gotten fireglx to work on debian etch? |
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| 03:43.57 | Aurote | hi :) |
| 03:44.00 | Aurote | Skype fails to load when I start it. Here is a pastebin http://paste.uni.cc/13670 |
| 03:44.01 | jetscreamer | you must mean fglrx? |
| 03:44.08 | niriven | Yes sorry, fglrx |
| 03:44.23 | enouf | xinming: and also mfrisch .. would do you good to see this and note diffs betwen sarge/etch http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ |
| 03:44.31 | jetscreamer | i did once, and only once... anybody else can probably helpyou more |
| 03:44.38 | SilvioSantoZ | Okay I thought of something... |
| 03:44.43 | SilvioSantoZ | I have "echo" |
| 03:44.50 | SilvioSantoZ | and I can write to /dev/shm... |
| 03:44.57 | karsten | Gecko: I'd prefer serial + managed power over a KVM. Particularly if I can direct BIOS to serial. |
| 03:45.09 | Gecko | karsten: yes, the more the merrier :D |
| 03:45.10 | karsten | Gecko: It's vastly more robust, and usually much cheaper. |
| 03:45.12 | SilvioSantoZ | I could somehow paste an escaped version of a /sbin/reboot binary, over the ssh connection |
| 03:45.23 | Gecko | SilvioSantoZ: ewww, that sounds dirty |
| 03:45.29 | karsten | Anywhoo, laters |
| 03:45.34 | bzed | SilvioSantoZ: are you abel to create a new ssh conn? |
| 03:45.39 | Azar | night karsten |
| 03:45.45 | SilvioSantoZ | bzed: no, not a new one |
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| 03:45.49 | mikefoo | Anyone know of a command line based tool for ripping dvds to a drive so I can backup and watch at later time if disc scratches? |
| 03:46.01 | bzed | lol mikefoo :D |
| 03:46.04 | Gecko | hehehe |
| 03:46.07 | niriven | Well its odd, fresh install of etch, and, fresh install of xorg, but, fglrx does not work. This is the fglrx from non-free packages for etch. |
| 03:46.15 | karsten | mikefoo: cdparanioa. Backends for stuff like grip, check deps. |
| 03:46.21 | SilvioSantoZ | I just need to figure out how to escape a 10k binary into echo-compatible format |
| 03:46.27 | bzed | !tell niriven about fglrx one-liner |
| 03:46.35 | bzed | niriven: did ytou do what dpkg just told ya? |
| 03:46.35 | Azar | niriven: you installed the fglrx driver? |
| 03:46.37 | jetscreamer | mikefoo: mencoder, avidemux, others... |
| 03:46.46 | jetscreamer | !tell mikefoo -about marillat |
| 03:46.58 | niriven | bzed hmm, you mean the recommended packages? |
| 03:47.02 | niriven | Azar: Yup.. |
| 03:47.06 | enouf | xinming: though http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch "integration of base-config functionality into the installer" seems more apropo for your question |
| 03:47.16 | jetscreamer | he did say ripping not backup :) |
| 03:47.24 | Azar | niriven: the one-liner? |
| 03:47.24 | bzed | niriven: I mean building and isntalling the kernel module... and so on |
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| 03:47.54 | niriven | hmm thanks, lemme try that :) |
| 03:47.58 | Azar | ya like bzed say , he knows better |
| 03:48.01 | jetscreamer | no |
| 03:48.04 | jetscreamer | it's off |
| 03:48.06 | enouf | ouch |
| 03:48.25 | enouf | er goes* |
| 03:48.31 | bzed | Azar: nah, I do not, I'm the nvidia guy ;) |
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| 03:48.59 | bzed | and now it's finalyl time for bed, 5am again AAAARGH |
| 03:49.01 | bzed | n8 |
| 03:49.16 | vn | why would my linux send me an email about a cronjob from smmsp when I have no crontab for smmsp? |
| 03:49.17 | jetscreamer | i thought he said he was leaving about an hour ago |
| 03:49.32 | niriven | One-liner = awesome. |
| 03:49.37 | Guerin | vn: because you clearly do. |
| 03:49.52 | Aurote | Skype fails to load when I start it. Here is a pastebin http://paste.uni.cc/13670 |
| 03:49.55 | jetscreamer | it might be in root's crontab |
| 03:50.11 | mfrisch | jetscreamer thats secure |
| 03:50.14 | jetscreamer | one user is selected/elected to recieve root's spam mail |
| 03:50.26 | jetscreamer | so to speak |
| 03:51.02 | jetscreamer | but you havetoexplicitly choose that |
| 03:51.11 | vn | Guerin: then should't crontab -u smmsp -e from root show me smmsp crontab? |
| 03:51.12 | jetscreamer | it asks during the install |
| 03:51.40 | xinming | enouf: hmm, thanks. But I wonder, what do we use to replce base-confg. :-) |
| 03:51.48 | niriven | brb, gonna see if that works :-0 |
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| 03:51.52 | gnat_x | hey folks, a while back i compiled libmtp and gnomad2 from source, so i could use gnomad2 with my media player. i noticed that libmtp was added to sid, so i've read up on mixing etch and sid, and want to use pinning. but since i don't have much experience with compiled packages, i wanted to double check the right way to remove them. |
| 03:52.00 | enouf | xinming: um .. you don't replace it .. what's the issue? |
| 03:52.12 | enouf | xinming: it's rolled into the installer |
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| 03:53.36 | enouf | xinming: man tzdata, tzconfig, tzset for any time issues (well most) .. |
| 03:54.21 | enouf | xinming: er tzselect as well |
| 03:54.47 | Guerin | vn: wtf is smmsp? Is it part of qmr? |
| 03:55.12 | vn | no, sendmail |
| 03:55.25 | Guerin | ok |
| 03:55.26 | Guerin | no idea |
| 03:55.34 | vn | Cron <smmsp@sys6x> test -x /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail && /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail cron-msp |
| 03:55.37 | Guerin | in principle it should show in crontab -u |
| 03:56.10 | Guerin | grep -r msp /etc/cron* |
| 03:56.12 | vn | k |
| 03:56.24 | Guerin | or rgrep |
| 03:56.44 | xinming | enouf: how about eth0 eth1 etc? :-) |
| 03:57.15 | Holborn | xrandr -s 0 |
| 03:57.23 | vn | found it, thanks Guerin |
| 03:57.26 | vn | was under an alias |
| 03:57.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:57.44 | enouf | xinming: how about it? :-) |
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| 03:58.00 | enouf | xammu: you want to configure those? |
| 03:58.06 | enouf | er xinming |
| 03:58.07 | SilvioSantoZ | this is bizarre, but I think it is going to work |
| 03:58.28 | xinming | enouf: I mean, How to we use the 'installer-way' to configure the network interface. |
| 03:58.35 | enouf | xinming: /etc/network/interfaces ,, |
| 03:58.49 | enouf | xinming: man interfaces, man ifconfig |
| 03:58.56 | xinming | enouf: I want the base-config way. >_< |
| 03:59.11 | xinming | enouf: I know I can edit the file. But It's some time not convenient |
| 03:59.32 | enouf | xinming: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 04:00.05 | enouf | xinming: etch use udev ... get busy learning udev rules :-P |
| 04:00.41 | gnat_x | if i just rm the dir where a package (that i compiled from non debian sourcde) lives, will i break something (other than the app that i compiled which uses it)? |
| 04:01.19 | gnat_x | i haven't done much with non apt managed packages. |
| 04:01.44 | xinming | enouf: I don't like etch. :-) It uses xfce-4.3.99 not 4.4 official release. >_< |
| 04:02.12 | enouf | xinming: find /etc/udev -name '*persistent*' will show you some of the config files and a nice read can be found in /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 04:02.16 | Gecko | xinming: well, if you want bleeding edge, debian might not be for you, at least neither stable or testing would be |
| 04:02.28 | enouf | oh b00h00 |
| 04:02.57 | Gecko | yes, life's a bitch, eh? |
| 04:03.06 | enouf | heh |
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| 04:04.20 | xinming | Gecko: Yes, I know, But debian is good at fast installation ;-) |
| 04:05.01 | SilvioSantoZ | lol. I could transfer an encoded version of /sbin/reboot via echo... but now I can't exec it since I don't have chmod |
| 04:05.40 | Gecko | xinming: that's true. I used to run unstable on my desktop, so I could use the bleeding edge (or almost bleeding, that is). Mostly unstable isn't that unstable at all, but you will ocasionally fight with stuff like broken packages and the like |
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| 04:08.57 | SilvioSantoZ | Okay. Any ideas on how to execute a binary that's not +x, without having chmod available? |
| 04:09.25 | Gecko | Hmm, I don't think you can, unless it's an interpreted file |
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| 04:10.00 | enouf | is it x as root? then chown it .. but i get the feeling your in jail with no chmod avail |
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| 04:10.41 | SilvioSantoZ | it's not x in any way, and chown's not available too |
| 04:10.50 | enouf | wtf not? |
| 04:11.02 | SilvioSantoZ | SCSI hang, no filesystems |
| 04:11.02 | enouf | on windows? |
| 04:11.17 | SilvioSantoZ | lol windows?? |
| 04:11.21 | enouf | :-p |
| 04:11.36 | SilvioSantoZ | I'm about to give up... |
| 04:12.00 | Gecko | SilvioSantoZ: I can't believe you're still working on it :D |
| 04:12.07 | jetscreamer | chmod in win eh |
| 04:12.15 | enouf | SilvioSantoZ: i must have missed your war story .. so far |
| 04:12.22 | jetscreamer | !pal enouf |
| 04:12.22 | SilvioSantoZ | I am... the escaped /sbin/reboot worked |
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| 04:12.29 | SilvioSantoZ | I just can't exec it... |
| 04:12.50 | jetscreamer | mount it all umask=000 ? |
| 04:12.51 | enouf | jetscreamer: my poiny precisely |
| 04:12.55 | Gecko | SilvioSantoZ: Thought you were gonna cat it into /dev/shm |
| 04:12.57 | enouf | point even |
| 04:13.07 | SilvioSantoZ | I did echo it into /dev/shm |
| 04:13.12 | SilvioSantoZ | but it is a regular file now |
| 04:13.32 | SilvioSantoZ | I'm gonna follow jetscreamer's advice and remount /dev/shm |
| 04:13.35 | Gecko | ok |
| 04:13.39 | SilvioSantoZ | I do have mount working |
| 04:13.45 | jetscreamer | heh i gave advice? |
| 04:13.58 | jetscreamer | i spouted thought! |
| 04:14.16 | enouf | !brusselsprout jetscreamer |
| 04:14.22 | SilvioSantoZ | I dunno why, but I can run 'mount'... nothing else though |
| 04:14.32 | jetscreamer | i love brussel sprouts |
| 04:14.45 | SilvioSantoZ | jetscreamer: how would I go about the umask=0000 with a /dev/shm mount? |
| 04:15.13 | jetscreamer | i dunno.. i'd just try it in the usual fashion... |
| 04:15.40 | jetscreamer | maybe man the fs in mount |
| 04:15.44 | jetscreamer | if it's there |
| 04:15.59 | SilvioSantoZ | maybe: mount -t tmpfs -o rw,mode=0000 /dev/shm |
| 04:16.11 | jetscreamer | umask=0000 eh ? |
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| 04:16.34 | jetscreamer | not sure what mode does myself |
| 04:16.45 | tvn | anyone uses emails + post.el to write mail ? |
| 04:17.10 | kingsley | Why would a system's clock fail to advance by an hour after following the instructions in /msg dpkg dst change? |
| 04:17.26 | SilvioSantoZ | no game, Bus Error... |
| 04:19.07 | enouf | ouh oh .. dirty word in that factoid .. |
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| 04:20.08 | kupesoft | So what's the fix for nm-applet to stop bugging me about the "default" keyring? |
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| 04:20.09 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: the system clock should not advance. |
| 04:20.24 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: the only thing that should change is the offset of your local timezone to the system clock. |
| 04:20.51 | kupesoft | fglrx |
| 04:21.25 | kupesoft | Is there a fix? |
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| 04:24.10 | Guerin | kupesoft: topic |
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| 04:24.54 | kupesoft | Guerin: ? |
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| 04:26.35 | kupesoft | Guerin: What do you mean? |
| 04:26.46 | gnat_x | how long does it take things queued for the ftp sever to actually get to the sid repositories? |
| 04:26.54 | gnat_x | i'm itching to get the new amarok. |
| 04:27.12 | gnat_x | as it will support my mp3 player. |
| 04:27.21 | dondelelcaro | gnat_x: dinstall happens twice a day. |
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| 04:28.09 | SJrX | If I do a df for / I get that 18G is in use. If I do a du -x --max-depth=1 -H from / I get that 12G is in use. Any ideas?\ |
| 04:28.12 | gnat_x | hrm, then maybe i'm doing my mix of etch and sid wrong. |
| 04:28.20 | SilvioSantoZ | Yeah, gave up... |
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| 04:28.25 | SilvioSantoZ | Thanks again everyone |
| 04:28.26 | jonkri | anyone knows stuff about routers here? i want to turn my router into a switch (netgear rp614v4), is that possible? |
| 04:28.31 | jonkri | (off-topic) |
| 04:28.51 | dondelelcaro | SJrX: the first is correct, the second only counts inodes with links, not inodes in use. |
| 04:29.22 | SJrX | Hmmm what could the inodes be in use by? |
| 04:29.33 | SJrX | and how can I find out where 6 gigs went? |
| 04:29.42 | gnat_x | oh, its in experimental still. damn. |
| 04:29.46 | dondelelcaro | SJrX: anything that has a file open which has been unlinked. |
| 04:29.55 | SJrX | hmmm |
| 04:30.27 | SJrX | um |
| 04:30.30 | SJrX | that seems like alot |
| 04:30.53 | SJrX | that's like a 3rd of the disk |
| 04:31.07 | SJrX | hmmmm lsof seems to be taking a long time to run |
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| 04:35.20 | SJrX | hmmm |
| 04:35.46 | SJrX | hmmmm lsof doesn't seem that bad actually |
| 04:36.01 | SJrX | not anything there that looks to be like being bad. |
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| 04:38.25 | Sherlock_ | hello |
| 04:38.31 | chrisvv2 | hi |
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| 04:38.52 | Sherlock_ | i have a sarge install....and my wireless connection gets dropped when i use wep |
| 04:39.11 | Sherlock_ | i can connect for a few secs, change pages....then i get "cant resolve DNS" |
| 04:39.23 | Sherlock_ | any ideas what i could do to fix? |
| 04:39.42 | gnat_x | i added a sid repository to my source.list and updated my package lists, now aptitud is holding back updates to the sid versions, can i make it not show me that, or is this one of the hidden benefits of mixing my repositories? |
| 04:39.59 | chrisvv2 | hae u trying to chek if u still have link? |
| 04:40.28 | Dewi | Sherlock_: are you losing signal... does it come back again? |
| 04:41.15 | Sherlock_ | no not reall |
| 04:41.16 | Sherlock_ | y |
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| 04:41.56 | chrisvv2 | keep pinging your gateway or ap |
| 04:42.32 | chrisvv2 | to check it behavour |
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| 04:43.21 | Sherlock_ | k |
| 04:44.25 | chrisvv2 | Sherlock_, do u have echo-reply ? |
| 04:44.39 | Sherlock_ | to reconnect i have to "iwconfig eth0 key XXXXX" |
| 04:44.46 | Sherlock_ | dhcp eth0 |
| 04:44.49 | Sherlock_ | i dunno? |
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| 04:45.13 | sid | I have this stupid proprietary motorola/cingular cellphone.. and it has a camera built-in to it...It stores the images on flash or something.. and I can connect my pc to it via USB 2.0 ; How can I copy a picture file from it to my Debian box? |
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| 04:45.25 | kenji | hi |
| 04:45.27 | wols_ | Sherlock_: can't you use WPA with your router? |
| 04:45.36 | Sherlock_ | yea |
| 04:45.53 | wols_ | can you or can't you? |
| 04:45.54 | Sherlock_ | i never thought of using it, as it was harder to set up then wep |
| 04:45.56 | Sherlock_ | can |
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| 04:46.06 | jetscreamer | sid usually just mount it, and that's usually vfat/fat32 |
| 04:46.18 | wols_ | wep is pretty much as no encryption as all |
| 04:46.19 | jetscreamer | mount it as a drive |
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| 04:46.30 | Sherlock_ | the connection drop as i change to a different site, if i stay in google searches....it stays up |
| 04:46.33 | jetscreamer | but that's all i know |
| 04:46.39 | Sherlock_ | true wols |
| 04:46.49 | wols_ | use a different DNS then |
| 04:46.57 | wols_ | not your router but whatever your ISP's is |
| 04:47.02 | Sherlock_ | i try that |
| 04:47.05 | intruder | anyone has an idea why i couldnt set a dual-head with an onboard SIS video and an nvidia in the agp slot ? |
| 04:47.07 | sebell | Hi all, fontconfig in Debian doesn't seem to respect my .fonts.conf with respect to sub-pixel rendering, but the same config works on other distributions. Any ideas? |
| 04:47.23 | Guerin | or not your ISP's either |
| 04:47.33 | Guerin | isp dns isn't always trustworthy |
| 04:47.48 | streuner | hm |
| 04:47.53 | Sherlock_ | i try brb |
| 04:48.26 | wols_ | Guerin: but isps have no way to kill routers with bad DNS |
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| 04:48.40 | Guerin | wols_: ? |
| 04:48.43 | wols_ | while a bad DNS caching proxy on the router might |
| 04:48.45 | kupesoft | So is there a way to disable nm-applet's keyring annoyance? |
| 04:48.49 | kupesoft | (on etch) |
| 04:49.04 | Guerin | wols_: i'm talking about an ISP I previously had which poisoned my dns in order to transparently proxy all my traffix |
| 04:49.34 | Guerin | in other words |
| 04:49.51 | Guerin | `korean ISPs are fucking evil' |
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| 04:50.19 | graytron_ | Guerin: roger |
| 04:50.42 | sid | jetscreamer: I plugged it in, and nothing mounts and nothing shows up on fdisk -l |
| 04:51.08 | jetscreamer | but that's all i know |
| 04:51.28 | jetscreamer | [22.46.33] <jetscreamer> |
| 04:51.43 | Guerin | jetscreamer: profound |
| 04:52.11 | jetscreamer | full disclosure bay-bee! |
| 04:52.25 | Sherlock_ | the new dns didnt help, without WEP my wireless works fine |
| 04:52.42 | intruder | Sherlock_: use mac filter |
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| 04:52.45 | Sherlock_ | is this the proper way to enter WEP "iwconfig eth0 key XX:XX:XX:XX:XX |
| 04:52.47 | sid | moto4lin - file manager and seem editor for Motorola phones (like C380/C650) |
| 04:52.53 | sid | maybe I need some package like that |
| 04:53.05 | Sherlock_ | yea thats my last option |
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| 04:53.22 | intruder | Sherlock_: its the best one |
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| 04:53.47 | s0undt3ch | hello ppl |
| 04:53.48 | intruder | Sherlock_: if you don't intend to access your wireless via different NICs |
| 04:54.03 | Sherlock_ | i do alot of online bankin, is it possible to sniff my passwords out of the air since no wep, or r they encrypted over the air |
| 04:54.18 | s0undt3ch | I need to include a patch in an already built debian package, how do I do that and create a new package? |
| 04:54.20 | graytron_ | sid: did you try mounting the device? |
| 04:54.31 | intruder | usually bank website uses its own encryption |
| 04:54.35 | jetscreamer | maybe add the model # http://www.google.com/linux?q=motorola+cingular+cellphone&restrict=linux |
| 04:54.54 | Guerin | Sherlock_: if your bank doesn't use ssl at the browser level, i suggest you sue it for all you can get. |
| 04:55.10 | Sherlock_ | haha agreed |
| 04:55.39 | Sherlock_ | anyone here use a macbook with linux? |
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| 04:55.50 | sid | graytron_: nothing shows up on fdisk -l; there is nothing to mount. |
| 04:56.00 | \amethyst | Sherlock_: people can, however, see what sites you are visiting, and all your passwords to unencrypted sites |
| 04:56.04 | Guerin | !anyone use a macbook with linux? |
| 04:56.04 | d4m3ntz | not that many people here spend that much money for a macbook |
| 04:56.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses a macbook with linux, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:56.24 | sid | [17181819.028000] usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 04:56.24 | Sherlock_ | thx amethyst |
| 04:56.26 | Guerin | \amethyst: OH NOES, someone can get mah /. passwe0d! |
| 04:56.27 | sid | [17181819.236000] usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 04:56.35 | sid | [17182016.684000] usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 04:56.39 | sid | That's all I get. |
| 04:56.48 | SJrX | dondelelcaro thanks you were right lsof +L1 is what I needed to look at |
| 04:56.48 | Sherlock_ | just curious, yea i use a inspirion 3800!! |
| 04:56.51 | SJrX | for my 6G file |
| 04:56.52 | Sherlock_ | p3! |
| 04:56.57 | \amethyst | Guerin: that could be bad for some people :) |
| 04:56.59 | intruder | sid: whats that device ? |
| 04:57.13 | sid | intruder: It's a Motorola/Cingular Phone, a V220 I believe. |
| 04:57.27 | sid | intruder: I have it plugged into my Debian box via USB 2.0 cable. |
| 04:57.44 | intruder | v220, i sold this phone too many times, its total crap |
| 04:57.50 | Guerin | sid: what makes you think it works? |
| 04:57.56 | kenji | hi |
| 04:57.56 | Guerin | i mean, with linux |
| 04:57.59 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=Motorola+v220&restrict=linux |
| 04:58.22 | sid | Guerin: My girlfriend's brother has the same phone.. and he can grab stuff off it from a windows machine. |
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| 04:58.40 | intruder | sid: motorola used to invert a couple of wires to make sure you buy their data cable |
| 04:58.48 | kenji | I saw a lot of screenshots with a system monitor like gkrellm, but this system monitor its transparent, can some one help me to know the name of the package? :D |
| 04:58.52 | intruder | not sure for the v220 |
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| 04:58.53 | Guerin | sid: i suggest you use windows for it. |
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| 04:59.12 | sid | intruder: yes, I searched those. The first 5 hits are bad.(nothing remotely significant) |
| 04:59.27 | sid | Guerin: If I install the application via wine will that work? |
| 04:59.35 | Guerin | sid: very likely not. |
| 04:59.39 | sid | I just want two pictures from the phone, fucking proprietary garbage. |
| 04:59.47 | sid | When I own a phone, I'm getting openmoko or some other free software phone. |
| 04:59.48 | intruder | sid: send them via email |
| 04:59.53 | kenji | I saw a lot of screenshots with a system monitor like gkrellm, but this system monitor its transparent, can some one help me to know the name of the package? :D |
| 05:00.03 | graytron_ | Guerin: should he purchase Windows Vista or XP? |
| 05:00.05 | sid | They don't let you put java games on it or anything other, even though there are a crapload of java games. They force you to buy from their store. |
| 05:00.05 | Guerin | fuck that |
| 05:00.15 | Guerin | i have a phone which sends and receives sms and calls |
| 05:00.18 | sid | intruder: I don't think there is a way to send it via e-mail. |
| 05:00.24 | Guerin | i have a camera for taking photos |
| 05:00.27 | intruder | sid: of course there is |
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| 05:00.36 | intruder | didnt i said i work at a rogers store :P |
| 05:00.39 | Guerin | and an iaudio for playing choons |
| 05:00.45 | rares000 | java_vm: xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed. |
| 05:00.51 | rares000 | how do I fix? |
| 05:01.01 | kenji | I saw a lot of screenshots with a system monitor like gkrellm, but this system monitor its transparent, can some one help me to know the name of the package? :D |
| 05:01.05 | sid | intruder: I can only "Send In Message" to a phone number. |
| 05:01.08 | intruder | sid: if you have a sim card with a working account you can send you pictures to your email account |
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| 05:01.27 | intruder | really, no. |
| 05:01.37 | intruder | if that is a gsm phone |
| 05:01.45 | intruder | of course you can send email with it |
| 05:01.54 | sid | intruder: How, where? |
| 05:02.01 | Guerin | intruder: is this true of all gsm phones? |
| 05:02.01 | intruder | let me get a v220 |
| 05:02.04 | intruder | Guerin: yes |
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| 05:02.10 | intruder | almost any recent phones |
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| 05:02.34 | intruder | and you can always send message to a phone via email like this, 8196656079@pcs.rogers.com |
| 05:02.46 | graytron_ | does gprs cost a lot there? |
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| 05:03.12 | intruder | it'll cost you about a dollar per picture |
| 05:03.14 | Guerin | intruder: ok, so it's not an inherent property of gsm, it's to do with the handset and provider |
| 05:03.18 | intruder | its 5 cents the kilobytes with rogers |
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| 05:03.30 | sid | http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/archive/index.php/t-38695.html |
| 05:03.37 | sid | The stupid thing is locked in some way apparently. |
| 05:03.44 | sid | I can't believe people buy these devices. |
| 05:03.44 | intruder | Guerin: no, but gsm is known to be the best in data transfer :P |
| 05:03.56 | intruder | its locked with cingular |
| 05:04.20 | graytron_ | intruder: 5 cents for a kB? huh! |
| 05:04.29 | Morvok | I am having problems find documentation for using the video-in on my video card.. could some please point me in the right direction. |
| 05:04.31 | Guerin | wtf, one of my old schoolmates was just convicted of raping and murdering his ex-girlfriend |
| 05:04.35 | intruder | ok i got a v220 working ill show you |
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| 05:05.09 | wols_ | Morvok: your question was about as useful to your problem as my answer |
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| 05:05.33 | Guerin | jetscreamer: well, i haven't been his mate since we were 9 |
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| 05:05.51 | Guerin | jetscreamer: and haven't even seen him since high school |
| 05:06.01 | wols_ | jetscreamer: why back away? are you Guerin's girlfriend? |
| 05:06.04 | Guerin | hehe |
| 05:06.05 | jetscreamer | my friend from back at that age (9) died a month or so |
| 05:06.10 | jetscreamer | ago |
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| 05:06.19 | Guerin | if he's my ex-girlfriend, i want those memories back |
| 05:06.28 | jetscreamer | wols_: metaphysically |
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| 05:06.43 | Morvok | wols_: alright, I am looking to use the video-in on my video card (gonna plug my ps/2 into it) how can I get my video in kde? |
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| 05:06.57 | Guerin | hm, i think my sister might have gone out with him a couple times too |
| 05:07.05 | Guerin | that's fucked up, i have to ask her |
| 05:07.08 | intruder | sid: right in "messages", "create messages", "new multimedia message", "add media", choose your pic, ok, then you got the menu " Mobile number/Email " |
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| 05:07.16 | intruder | really easy |
| 05:07.26 | wols_ | Morvok: congratulations, you managed to withhold just as much essential info in the 2nd time around |
| 05:07.30 | wols_ | Morvok: you're good |
| 05:07.34 | jetscreamer | Morvok: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/index.html might help |
| 05:07.50 | wols_ | not to mention that ps/2 in this case is nonsensical. video ahs nothing to do with mouse or keyboard |
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| 05:08.03 | Guerin | Morvok: google "video capture" linux |
| 05:08.03 | jetscreamer | i think he meant playstation |
| 05:08.16 | Guerin | Morvok: and the name of your video card |
| 05:08.24 | wols_ | still doesn't mean shit without the videocard he wants to use |
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| 05:08.38 | Morvok | thanks geurin and jetscreamer. |
| 05:08.46 | sid | intruder: Then who do I send to? |
| 05:08.54 | intruder | sid: to you |
| 05:08.58 | sid | "One Time Entry"? |
| 05:08.58 | Guerin | sid: lewis@feayn.org |
| 05:08.59 | intruder | sid: to your email address |
| 05:09.08 | sid | It only lets me type numbers |
| 05:09.12 | jetscreamer | Morvok: first, you want to get the card functioning. then you want to get a program to capture the stuff going. |
| 05:09.32 | intruder | sid: oh, yea you have to change the entry mode, by holding the 0 |
| 05:09.32 | wols_ | Morvok: and getting the card going will be the much harder part I'd say |
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| 05:10.25 | intruder | sid: then you'll see in the upper left corner "12" will change for "ab" |
| 05:10.32 | Morvok | I run a tri-head system. 2 ati- radeon 5290's and a nvidia g4ti4200 :) |
| 05:10.48 | jetscreamer | which one has video in? |
| 05:10.52 | sid | intruder: I can only insert one picture at a time? |
| 05:11.26 | intruder | sid: i guess you can insert a couple at a time |
| 05:12.19 | sid | intruder: I hold zero, and it makes a "+" sign, then when I press digits it still shows numbers and not letter options. |
| 05:12.21 | intruder | sid: yes, in fact the option "add media" changes to "ok" after you inserted the first media, if you want to continue adding menu, simply hit the menu button in the center |
| 05:12.44 | Guerin | sid: i get the same behaviour on my (different) phone |
| 05:12.57 | intruder | sid: you have the "12" in the upper left corner ? |
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| 05:14.13 | Morvok | my nvidia. read something about the nvidia's will lock up so I have an older ati card I will use for input. |
| 05:14.18 | intruder | sid: you have a little arrow up on your zero button ? |
| 05:14.26 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know why the etch installer would take more than 2 seconds to remove a partition? |
| 05:14.27 | intruder | that's the sign to change the entry mode |
| 05:14.44 | wols_ | Morvok: look for "gatos" |
| 05:15.20 | wols_ | NefariousPrior: cause the etch installer fdisk sucks majorly |
| 05:15.48 | NefariousPrior | wols_: suggestions? should I use the gui installer? |
| 05:16.04 | intruder | i used the gui installer and went right through |
| 05:16.08 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: same backend |
| 05:17.00 | NefariousPrior | Guerin: you would think so, but you get different results. |
| 05:17.16 | Guerin | hm, that'd be a bug |
| 05:17.21 | wols_ | NefariousPrior: ignore the problem. you have to endure it only once |
| 05:17.31 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: talk about it with #debian-boot irc.debian.org |
| 05:17.40 | NefariousPrior | wols_: So pretend it's windows? |
| 05:17.50 | NefariousPrior | Guerin: aye |
| 05:17.51 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: no, pretend it's OSX |
| 05:17.56 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 05:18.00 | Guerin | :) |
| 05:18.03 | NefariousPrior | lol |
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| 05:18.39 | wols_ | NefariousPrior: waiting 2 seconds instead of 0,1 is not what I'd call a major windows-like bug |
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| 05:19.10 | intruder | hehe |
| 05:19.10 | Guerin | oh, i got the impression it was taking ages |
| 05:19.19 | NefariousPrior | 2 seconds is what it should have taken. It was at 9% after 3 mins. |
| 05:19.25 | Guerin | right |
| 05:19.34 | Guerin | looks like it's trying to back up the data or something |
| 05:19.47 | intruder | NefariousPrior: look in the terminal to see whats happening |
| 05:19.47 | wols_ | or some verify |
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| 05:20.17 | intruder | i noticed the etch gui installer doesnt always do what is says in the gui progress bar |
| 05:20.18 | wols_ | and if it's a verify thing: buy a faster harddisk :P |
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| 05:20.43 | NefariousPrior | It said "Erasing..." so it made me think it was shredding what I had. idk |
| 05:20.56 | Guerin | could be |
| 05:21.02 | NefariousPrior | It's a fairly new hard disk. |
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| 05:24.28 | NefariousPrior | Ijust noticed the option for "Erase data on partition" right above "Delete partition". Pebkac |
| 05:24.41 | sid | intruder: yes, I have the arrow on my zero button |
| 05:24.42 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:25.09 | sid | intruder: yes, I have the 12 |
| 05:25.28 | sid | When I hold zero, the 12 stays there. |
| 05:26.10 | intruder | sid: try holding it different times |
| 05:26.16 | intruder | 2 sec, 5 sec |
| 05:27.45 | intruder | hrm funnily, i now have the same problem |
| 05:28.07 | intruder | ok right in there hit the menu button |
| 05:28.10 | intruder | go down to entry mode and change it manually |
| 05:28.23 | intruder | to primary |
| 05:29.35 | intruder | heh, after doing this you can go back to numeric by holding the zero again, but i cant undo this, thing i have done successfuly a few minutes a go |
| 05:29.49 | intruder | it works now ? |
| 05:29.54 | intruder | it should |
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| 05:33.08 | intruder | as i said, this phone is really crappy |
| 05:33.09 | intruder | if you gently knock it on wood you can feel everything is vibrating inside |
| 05:33.09 | intruder | try :P |
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| 05:33.09 | kaushal | Hi |
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| 05:33.45 | intruder | hi |
| 05:33.56 | tengulre | hi,too! |
| 05:34.30 | intruder | sorry hi |
| 05:34.38 | intruder | at first i was replying to kaushal |
| 05:34.45 | kaushal | Hi intruder |
| 05:34.57 | kaushal | I have pasted it in #flood |
| 05:35.09 | intruder | kaushal: pasted what? |
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| 05:35.23 | kaushal | some error messages |
| 05:35.30 | kaushal | so do i use pastebin |
| 05:35.35 | sid | intruder: It was the button to the right of zero. |
| 05:35.49 | sid | intruder: I sent it.. and when I go to messages and it's status.. it just says "Sending" |
| 05:35.59 | sid | Does it take awhile to send an e-mail with 4 pictures? |
| 05:36.02 | intruder | sid: it takes a while |
| 05:36.14 | sid | intruder: How long about? |
| 05:36.25 | intruder | maybe a minute or two |
| 05:36.29 | kaushal | is there a paste bin for this channel |
| 05:36.46 | intruder | sid: to the right of zero ? |
| 05:36.54 | sid | intruder: yes |
| 05:37.00 | intruder | sid: the button for what ? |
| 05:37.36 | intruder | you didnt change the entry mode manually in the menu ? |
| 05:37.54 | sid | intruder: The button to change from integers to chars |
| 05:38.31 | intruder | hrm |
| 05:40.29 | intruder | yea, really weird, this seems only valid in this mode, you cant completely switch from a mode to another with the same button |
| 05:40.49 | intruder | the # for the chars and 0 for numbers |
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| 05:41.46 | maasha | i need to cat all files in a directory tree into one file. how? |
| 05:42.01 | intruder | everywhere else in any moto phones, you only hit 0 to switch from 0-9 to a-z |
| 05:43.02 | intruder | maasha: do you mind visiting every directories ? |
| 05:43.58 | stew | maasha: find /dir -type f | xargs cat > /path/to/result/file |
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| 05:44.23 | intruder | stew: this wont go recursively |
| 05:44.33 | intruder | no ? |
| 05:44.34 | intruder | yes |
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| 05:44.55 | stew | intruder: find is recursive |
| 05:45.04 | intruder | of course :P, im stupid |
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| 05:50.18 | baggend | Anyone know how to roll back changes in LVM after creating a snapshot? I want to be able to roll back the original LV to the state it was in at the time of the snapshot, but I can't find any documentation. |
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| 05:52.14 | sid | intruder: I tried to send 4 pictures at once, and I got some error about size limit or something |
| 05:52.18 | sid | So I sent them one at a time. |
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| 05:52.42 | sid | I have some basic plan... I wonder how much cingular is going to rip me off for the three e-mails I sent. |
| 05:54.08 | kaushal | intruder : any clue what is happening |
| 05:56.02 | sid | You know how I can compile something locally as non-root; ie ./configure --prefix=/home/sid/bin; make; make install; etc... So I can basically install anything I want as long as I compile all the dependencies as necessary. Is there I way to apt-get install things as non-root, and have the binaries and their dependencies installed to /home/sid? |
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| 06:07.19 | dondelelcaro | sid: yes |
| 06:07.35 | intruder | kaushal: you didnt explain anything no ? |
| 06:07.55 | sid | dondelelcaro: really? awesome I didn't know that. |
| 06:08.09 | intruder | really ?! |
| 06:08.11 | dondelelcaro | sid: it's slightly more complex, because you have to set a whole slew of options |
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| 06:08.37 | dondelelcaro | sid: and you'll have issues with things that want to run postinst scripts that actually do things |
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| 06:09.47 | dondelelcaro | (you'll also have to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH appropriately, and possibly PATH as well) |
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| 06:10.22 | sid | thanks dondelelcaro, I appreciate the help. |
| 06:10.46 | dondelelcaro | sid: you may find that it's easier to use dpkg-deb -x though |
| 06:10.52 | dondelelcaro | (at least, I do) |
| 06:14.49 | kaushal | E:stunnel4 : sub process post-installation script returned error exit status 134 |
| 06:14.55 | kaushal | on ubuntu |
| 06:15.04 | kaushal | while using synaptic |
| 06:15.25 | dondelelcaro | kaushal: you want to talk to #ubuntu |
| 06:15.50 | kaushal | ok |
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| 06:28.34 | NefariousPrior | Does etch/non-free not exist? |
| 06:30.02 | sid | I wish |
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| 06:30.05 | sid | But it does. |
| 06:31.02 | NefariousPrior | I get errors with apt-get update |
| 06:31.07 | sid | It's too bad really, if Debian moved non-free and contrib to some third party mirror, like marillat's debian-multimedia, or debian-unofficial .. then I bet FSF would endorse Debian and that would help give Debian the surge it needs. imho |
| 06:31.37 | sid | NefariousPrior: What do the errors say? Can you put the output on www.rafb.net/paste |
| 06:31.44 | sid | NefariousPrior: Also put /etc/apt/sources.list on there please. |
| 06:31.56 | dondelelcaro | sid: the main problem is that the people who want that to happen want nothing to do with non-free |
| 06:32.17 | NefariousPrior | sid: Not sure how to do that from console, but I'll try. hehe |
| 06:32.22 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | sid: be realistic. how much would FSF endorsement really surge anything? |
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| 06:32.59 | kaushal | Hi |
| 06:33.04 | sid | Vlad_The1Inhaler: Well a lot of people care about what the FSF does. myself included. They pioneered this whole freedom software thing/movement. |
| 06:33.26 | markybob | s/does/did. :) |
| 06:33.30 | sid | Vlad_The1Inhaler: They endorse Gnewsense and several developers are working on that. And as a result, Ubuntu is going to make another flavor that is completely free. |
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| 06:33.48 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | oh, you mean that kinda surge |
| 06:33.52 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | not the user kinda surge |
| 06:33.54 | sid | So Canonical/Shuttleworth seem to care about having a free(as in freedom) operating system. and endorsing it as such |
| 06:34.23 | kaushal | I get |
| 06:34.29 | kaushal | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xf7fb6154 *** |
| 06:34.36 | sid | Vlad_The1Inhaler: Well having FSF endorse Debian could have lots of benefits. |
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| 06:34.45 | kaushal | when i try to install sudo dpkg -i stunnel4_4.090-1_i386.deb |
| 06:34.47 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | Like? |
| 06:35.02 | markybob | kaushal, why dont you just apt-get install stunnel? |
| 06:35.04 | sid | Vlad_The1Inhaler: more users? more developers. |
| 06:35.09 | kaushal | ok |
| 06:35.23 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | realistically though. |
| 06:35.37 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | how many new users could come from some endorsement by blackbeard? |
| 06:35.45 | sid | Vlad_The1Inhaler: The FSF has some marketing power also, which would help Debian. And it would be nice to have more people in the Debian effort, just to be blunt. |
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| 06:36.13 | sid | Vlad_The1Inhaler: a lot, I think you underestimate what he's done, and the cult following he has. |
| 06:36.15 | Ramattack | hello! |
| 06:36.21 | kaushal | markybob : I get the same error |
| 06:36.28 | Ramattack | how could you know if you're using xgl or aixgl? |
| 06:36.29 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | cults are quite small, by necessity. |
| 06:36.30 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | and beside |
| 06:36.35 | Ramattack | in xorg.conf doesn't appear nothing |
| 06:36.36 | sid | Even just economically, FSF has hundreds of thousands of dollars. |
| 06:36.45 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | any true cult follower of RMS knows he uses Debian anyway |
| 06:36.54 | sid | no he doesn't, heh |
| 06:36.56 | markybob | kaushal, run memtest |
| 06:36.58 | sid | He uses Utotu or something. |
| 06:37.14 | kaushal | ok |
| 06:37.17 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | He said that he couldn't get the english version to work so he uses Debian |
| 06:37.21 | sid | He used to use Debian.(but didn't recommend it) He's since switched from it because debian hosts non-free software on their servers. |
| 06:37.26 | kaushal | whats the exact command |
| 06:37.39 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | man what a baby |
| 06:37.58 | markybob | ...see...i happent to feel as if rms was very important as served a very important role, but no longer really has much kick |
| 06:38.06 | sid | not really, I think it's noble. He believes in something and he doesn't deviate from that. He tries to lead by example. Not many people can claim to do and done what he has. |
| 06:38.07 | zinx | sid: but debian even has the vrms! |
| 06:38.29 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | Yeah, but just because it's rare and stubborn doesn't mean it's necessarily good |
| 06:38.31 | NefariousPrior | sid: http://rafb.net/p/PTU9PB69.html |
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| 06:38.37 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | at some point he detached from reality |
| 06:38.45 | NefariousPrior | sid: Took a lot for me to paste that from console. lol |
| 06:38.46 | markybob | Vlad_The1Inhaler, agreed |
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| 06:39.00 | Ramattack | ok resolved |
| 06:39.05 | Ramattack | looking at modules on xorg.conf |
| 06:39.10 | kaushal | markybob : whats the exact option you want me to run memtest |
| 06:39.10 | sid | NefariousPrior: You didn't put /etc/apt/sources.list file on there. Can you post that to rafb.net/paste also. |
| 06:39.13 | Ramattack | though it wasn't appeared there |
| 06:39.17 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | it would be so good for his life if he could just get drunk and forget about computers for a year or two |
| 06:39.29 | NefariousPrior | sid: will do. 8) |
| 06:39.31 | markybob | NefariousPrior, so...apt-get update ? does that work? |
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| 06:40.09 | sid | Vlad_The1Inhaler: He seems to be very attached to reality to me. He knows quiet a bit about what goes on around him and in the world for that matter. It's pretty easy to understand him if you believe in free software. If you don't.. then a lot of people think he's detached from reality. |
| 06:40.20 | markybob | kaushal, apt-get install memtest86+ ...have it edit grub/menu.lst....then reboot and boot into memtest86 |
| 06:40.49 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | I believe in free software. I've seen it. |
| 06:41.05 | markybob | i've worked on free software for many years. i still think rms is a bit crazy |
| 06:41.38 | kaushal | markybob : its a production box |
| 06:41.44 | sid | markybob: Do you think FSF endorsing Debian and helping them get more users and developers would help the Debian project? |
| 06:41.48 | markybob | kaushal, you still have to test your ram |
| 06:41.54 | kaushal | so any other way to do it |
| 06:42.06 | markybob | sid i dont believe it would hurt. i dont believe that it would necessarily help, though. |
| 06:42.10 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | sid: not as much as removing non-free shit would hurt it |
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| 06:42.49 | markybob | kaushal, i dont think there's any other thorough way to do it |
| 06:42.54 | sid | Vlad_The1Inhaler: Not even Ubuntu has a non-free section. They seem to be doing well. |
| 06:42.54 | NefariousPrior | sid: sources + all errors --> http://rafb.net/p/jTzg7w31.html |
| 06:43.10 | kaushal | ok |
| 06:43.12 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | You've obviously never heard of universe/multiverse |
| 06:43.27 | kaushal | so its a memory issue |
| 06:43.49 | markybob | kaushal, cant say for certain without testing it. quite possible, though |
| 06:44.06 | markybob | NefariousPrior, how about you try another mirror? |
| 06:44.07 | sid | Vlad_The1Inhaler: I don't believe that has non-free software. Ubuntu's goal is to never host non-free software unless it's essential for hardware functionality. |
| 06:44.21 | markybob | NefariousPrior, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 06:44.39 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | Right, I'm pretty sure I installed opera under ubuntu from apt once |
| 06:44.41 | markybob | sid, do you consider acrobat reader non-free? it's in there |
| 06:44.48 | sid | NefariousPrior: That mirror does not have a non-free section I believe. |
| 06:44.57 | sid | markybob: Is it? I didn't know that. |
| 06:45.10 | markybob | sid, yes. ubuntu absolutely has non-free in the "non-default" repositories |
| 06:45.29 | NefariousPrior | Like I said, non-free doesn't exist. lol Thanks, didn't know it was a mirror issue. |
| 06:46.38 | sid | Well you wouldn't have to get rid of the non-free/contrib sections, just move them. |
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| 06:46.57 | sid | You have to edit sources.list to add "non-free and contrib" anyway, why not add the marillat url, people do it anyway for mplayer. |
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| 06:47.30 | sid | anyway, this is OT.. I should stop discussing this. |
| 06:47.51 | Vlad_The1Inhaler | OT copout :S |
| 06:48.23 | NefariousPrior | sarge is to base-config as etch is to ?? |
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| 06:49.22 | markybob | NefariousPrior, really nothing. "base-config has been pensioned off: the installation is now done entirely before the reboot. Finally the entire Debian package installation process runs behind a user-friendly progress bar." |
| 06:49.48 | NefariousPrior | hmm |
| 06:50.06 | markybob | NefariousPrior, that was in the installer notes. i'm not just making stuff up ;) |
| 06:50.18 | NefariousPrior | lol |
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| 06:54.14 | Ramattack | sincerely friends... what's better for learn.... debian sid or any ubuntu linux? would like to have you're sincelery opinion |
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| 06:54.55 | markybob | Ramattack, to learn linux? i doubt anyone would answer you with ubuntu. debian is much more "true linux" |
| 06:55.46 | Ramattack | well take account I admin debian servers now.... not for starting from 0 |
| 06:55.51 | Ramattack | wantes to say... |
| 06:56.01 | Ramattack | not for learning command line for example |
| 06:56.10 | markybob | Ramattack, learning what, then? |
| 06:56.10 | Ramattack | or for learning the procedure for config apps |
| 06:56.27 | Ramattack | don't know for getting experience solving problems or.... |
| 06:56.38 | markybob | Ramattack, debian |
| 06:57.12 | Ramattack | I see... |
| 06:57.17 | markybob | Ramattack, it's like learning a manual transmission car. once you've got that down, you can drive anything. once you know debian, any linux is just fine :-) |
| 06:57.33 | markybob | forget paying extra for automatic transmission. no need |
| 06:57.53 | Ramattack | I see... |
| 06:58.30 | Ramattack | I see then |
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| 07:16.50 | marinosi | hello..I want to set up a tunnel but i don 't know how to bring up tun0 iface..i did modprobe tunnel4 and tun but when i do ifconfig tun0 up , the iface cannot be found..what do i have to do? |
| 07:17.27 | simonrvn | set it up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:18.04 | pathway | Any reason why php-common doesn't appear in my apt-get sources? I'm on Sarge, getting my sources from ftp.us.debian.org. |
| 07:18.34 | marinosi | simonrvn: what should i add there? auto tun iface tun inet tunnel ? |
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| 07:19.16 | vanchuck | help :-(( anyone here? |
| 07:19.21 | pathway | marinosi: 'man interfaces' may have your answers. |
| 07:19.22 | simonrvn | more or less... too sick to think straight, but that would help. you'll need info for the tunnel too. also look at /etc/tun.conf or whatever it's called |
| 07:19.30 | vanchuck | I just set CHOWN -R user:user / |
| 07:19.36 | vanchuck | what do I dooooo |
| 07:19.39 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 07:19.48 | vanchuck | *flails and cries* |
| 07:19.51 | vanchuck | hehe >.< |
| 07:20.04 | simonrvn | not do that in the first place would help... bit late for that |
| 07:20.12 | vanchuck | would dpkg-reconfigure solve it? |
| 07:20.14 | vanchuck | well yeah. |
| 07:20.21 | vanchuck | it was a typo, hit space in front of a directory slash |
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| 07:21.03 | vanchuck | luckily I killed it before it got to /var/ |
| 07:21.06 | vanchuck | but /etc/ was hit |
| 07:21.13 | simonrvn | not really... best rule of thumb is set it root:root, then stuff like /etc/shadow is root:shadow, etc. |
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| 07:21.25 | vanchuck | so far postfix has complained about not getting to it's config files in /etc |
| 07:21.35 | simonrvn | and CHOWN isn't a command, btw ;) |
| 07:21.36 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:22.00 | vanchuck | sorry. |
| 07:22.02 | vanchuck | chown ^_^ |
| 07:22.20 | simonrvn | np |
| 07:22.29 | vanchuck | of course it's a live production server, so it's a little exciting, is all. |
| 07:22.35 | simonrvn | weee |
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| 07:22.49 | simonrvn | believe in the power of . |
| 07:23.03 | pathway | simonrvn: agreed. |
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| 07:23.13 | dimir | Production server running live system! \o/ |
| 07:23.15 | pathway | I'm parinoid, put a ./ infront of everything. Sm:)e. |
| 07:23.22 | vanchuck | well this is what I typed: "chown -R 5008:5008 ./domain.com /*" |
| 07:23.39 | dimir | :-O |
| 07:23.41 | vanchuck | (the space was misplaced) |
| 07:23.50 | simonrvn | ouchies |
| 07:24.17 | marinosi | if i add any entry to /etc/network/interfaces how can i make them known?restart something? |
| 07:24.41 | simonrvn | you can use ifup fooX |
| 07:24.55 | dimir | or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 07:25.11 | vanchuck | can anyone check real quick what user:owner is on postfix .cf files? |
| 07:25.16 | vanchuck | in /etc/postfix/*.cf |
| 07:25.54 | simonrvn | my postfix is asleep right now :/ |
| 07:26.01 | simonrvn | postfix box* |
| 07:26.14 | vanchuck | ah, I'm sure postfix:postfix would work |
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| 07:29.46 | Knight_Lord | How can I change the name of a computer? |
| 07:30.47 | SubStack | hostname foo |
| 07:31.15 | marinosi | Can't i bring up an interface without set it up in /etc/network/interfaces ? I do not want to configure an iface permanently..There should be another way |
| 07:31.34 | SubStack | ifconfig |
| 07:31.46 | simonrvn | of course you can... i thought you wanted it (semi-)permanent |
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| 07:32.06 | marinosi | but when i do ifconfig tun0 up , it does not find tun0 |
| 07:32.07 | Knight_Lord | SubStack is that change permanent? |
| 07:32.17 | simonrvn | !hostname |
| 07:32.18 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 07:33.07 | marinosi | ? |
| 07:33.37 | Knight_Lord | simonrvn thank you |
| 07:33.41 | kakalto | I've just installed xorg on debian etch. when I 'startx', I get 'fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'" |
| 07:34.44 | NefariousPrior | Quick, someone name a good X based editor that doesn't require gnome or kde libs. |
| 07:34.45 | Knight_Lord | kakalto you forgot to install the fonts |
| 07:34.54 | Knight_Lord | NefariousPrior xemacs? |
| 07:34.55 | kakalto | Knight_Lord: which font package? |
| 07:35.10 | Knight_Lord | kakalto maybe you should install x-window-system |
| 07:35.24 | Knight_Lord | NefariousPrior nedit? |
| 07:35.40 | marinosi | why tun0 is not listed by ifconfig -a ,while tunnel4 and tun modules are loadeD? |
| 07:35.49 | NefariousPrior | Knight_Lord: anything with 'emacs' in it sounds bad, but I'll look into nedit. thanks |
| 07:39.05 | kakalto | right, I just did x-window-system-core |
| 07:39.05 | kakalto | nope, that didn't fix it |
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| 07:41.55 | vanchuck | anyone know the group perms for /dev/sdaX? |
| 07:42.16 | vanchuck | on my lappy its 'floppy', but on my server sdaX is for a SATA raid, wondering if it should be 'disk' instead o.0 |
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| 07:42.31 | simonrvn | root:disk |
| 07:42.38 | vanchuck | okey thanks :-) |
| 07:43.00 | kakalto | Knight_Lord: any other ideas? I've installed x-window-system, x-window-system-core, xorg |
| 07:43.02 | kakalto | same problem |
| 07:43.26 | liable | kakalto: weird, xbase-fonts |
| 07:43.37 | liable | though that should have been pulled in.. |
| 07:44.03 | kakalto | liable: is there such a package on etch? |
| 07:44.06 | kakalto | I can't find it |
| 07:44.14 | simonrvn | xfonts-base |
| 07:44.35 | kakalto | that's installed |
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| 07:44.45 | simonrvn | !xfonts-base |
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| 07:46.49 | scv | is there a huge font collection including all fonts in all distros and commercial fonts? |
| 07:47.23 | simonrvn | !xfonts |
| 07:47.24 | dpkg | If you are manually installing X using apt-get you will need xfonts-base. If your font aliases get corrupted, you can try dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base, yet if all else fails you will need to dpkg -P xfonts-base && apt-get install xfonts-base, so that the configuration for the fonts used in X are restored. |
| 07:47.25 | scv | who had made such one? |
| 07:47.36 | simonrvn | there isn't one |
| 07:47.40 | simonrvn | afaik |
| 07:47.42 | scv | hehe |
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| 07:48.00 | uzer | what could be the cause of the system freezing when i access a /dev/mapper device |
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| 07:52.22 | kakalto | simonrvn: thanks, but when following what the bot said, I still have the same problem |
| 07:52.37 | SmokeyD | hey people, I have a user "irc" and a user "news" on my system, can I just remove them? I am not running an irc service or something |
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| 07:53.12 | simonrvn | *shrug*, can't think of the other thing, kakalto |
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| 07:54.01 | kakalto | simonrvn, =/ it's really strange... never had such a problem before |
| 07:54.12 | simonrvn | SmokeyD: i don't see why not. |
| 07:54.32 | simonrvn | i've seen it before,m but too sick to remember fix |
| 07:54.50 | SmokeyD | ok, thanks simonrvn |
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| 07:58.14 | trycyt | Why do I get this message when running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ? |
| 07:58.16 | trycyt | gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available |
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| 07:59.04 | simonrvn | because your key is not the maintainer's key, and can't find the data in the secret.whatever |
| 07:59.30 | trycyt | But I'm making a new package in which I am the maintainer. |
| 07:59.39 | simonrvn | then gice it one |
| 07:59.42 | simonrvn | give* |
| 07:59.55 | trycyt | How do I do that? I have a public / private key generated. |
| 08:00.18 | simonrvn | -kkeyID |
| 08:00.19 | trycyt | It reads from stdin, but as far as I know, it should be reading from ~/.gnupg |
| 08:00.27 | trycyt | Ah. |
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| 08:00.41 | trycyt | That's not what the Debian New Maintainer Guide says :\ |
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| 08:00.53 | simonrvn | it's what WorksForMe |
| 08:01.10 | trycyt | Right, I'm just saying the documentation should be updated for newbies like myself. |
| 08:01.25 | simonrvn | optimally you should put the email you have for that key in the dsc file |
| 08:01.26 | trycyt | I wouldn't have randomly guessed that and just assumed it was a bug. |
| 08:01.39 | trycyt | Why doesn't it extract that from the keys? |
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| 08:01.48 | trycyt | I thought when I generate the key I have to specify an e-mail address? |
| 08:01.49 | simonrvn | that's robably what it says ;) |
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| 08:01.51 | simonrvn | p |
| 08:02.03 | simonrvn | 2 different things here |
| 08:02.21 | simonrvn | your gpg info, the other the .dsc |
| 08:02.50 | simonrvn | gpg should find the address you gave it in the dsc, in your keyring |
| 08:02.57 | simonrvn | if not, it bombs |
| 08:03.13 | simonrvn | -k is to specify one on the CL |
| 08:03.17 | trycyt | So the specifying an e-mail address business is to ensure that it doesn't fail? |
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| 08:03.45 | simonrvn | that's the email address people should contact you at, and also can check the pubkey on |
| 08:04.03 | simonrvn | i.e., they should match |
| 08:05.32 | xixor | hey everyone, just wondering if there is something that needs to be done to mysql to allow remote connections. From a computer different from the mysql server, I go mysql -h <name> -u root -p, and am prompted for a password, but cannot gain access |
| 08:06.07 | simonrvn | allow tcp conns. in /etc/mysql/my.conf |
| 08:06.14 | simonrvn | and lock that host down |
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| 08:07.04 | xixor | lock it down? |
| 08:07.42 | simonrvn | secure it |
| 08:08.24 | xixor | ah |
| 08:08.42 | xixor | what is the problem with allowing remote mysql connections? |
| 08:09.19 | jetscreamer | nothing, when done securely? |
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| 08:11.18 | jetscreamer | no larts... maybe i was close... |
| 08:11.37 | NefariousPrior | Anyone have any luck getting FreeNX to work in etch? |
| 08:12.03 | xerophyte | could somebody help me with kernel boot error ? you can find the detail here http://kerneltrap.org/node/7848 |
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| 08:15.01 | sep | NefariousPrior, works fine |
| 08:15.25 | sep | NefariousPrior, i use packages from deb http://kern.nl/freenx/ ./ |
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| 08:15.49 | NefariousPrior | sep: I'll try that. thanks |
| 08:15.51 | jetscreamer | xerophyte: it's a slow channel, but did you try #kernel ? |
| 08:15.57 | illwolf | http://sial.org/pbot/23480 |
| 08:16.04 | illwolf | can anyone help with that? |
| 08:16.32 | xerophyte | jetscreamer, i did nobody is responding |
| 08:17.39 | illwolf | can anyone help with that? |
| 08:17.40 | illwolf | http://sial.org/pbot/23480 |
| 08:17.42 | jetscreamer | i'd guess something initrd related though... |
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| 08:18.43 | marinosi | xerophyte: It is a little bit huge and I could not read it all , but this error is common when the system tries to mount a volume and it has not built in fs drivers(maybe compiled as modules).Is something like that happening to your system? |
| 08:18.51 | illwolf | Bhttp://sial.org/pbot/23480 |
| 08:19.01 | illwolf | http://sial.org/pbot/23480 <-- help with this? |
| 08:19.20 | jetscreamer | maybe dpkg --purge --force-all nepenthes |
| 08:19.28 | illwolf | sec. |
| 08:19.29 | marinosi | If you want to mount volumes , and have modular support for the partitons' fs then you should use initrd |
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| 08:20.09 | xerophyte | marinosi, i am aware this error common , but for some reason i could not solve it thats why post all the info .. i have compiled many kernel this server has sas drive which its not booting :( |
| 08:20.45 | xerophyte | marinosi, the kernel config should have all the info how did compile .. i did compile all the stuff into the kernel |
| 08:20.45 | xixor | NefariousPrior: I don't use FreeNX, I use the nxserver deb packages from NoMachine, and they seem to work |
| 08:20.55 | illwolf | give me a sec just relax. |
| 08:20.56 | NefariousPrior | sep: 8( --> http://pastebin.ca/394376 |
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| 08:23.05 | illwolf | <jetscreamer> |
| 08:23.10 | jetscreamer | xerophyte: make oldconfig maybe |
| 08:23.13 | illwolf | jetscreamer it still wont remove |
| 08:23.28 | illwolf | dpkg: error processing nepenthes (--purge): |
| 08:23.28 | illwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.28 | illwolf | Starting nepenthes: nepenthes. |
| 08:23.28 | illwolf | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 08:23.37 | illwolf | etc etc |
| 08:23.43 | xerophyte | jetscreamer, i want to know why do i get that error then old config |
| 08:23.54 | xerophyte | jetscreamer, i am missing something i wanna know what is it |
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| 08:24.00 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: you need to add set -x to the prerm script and give us the complete output. |
| 08:24.10 | jetscreamer | i don't know 'exactly' what you are missing.. you need to use trial & error i guess? |
| 08:24.13 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: when you do so, use a paste site. Pasting here again will cause you to be banned. |
| 08:24.29 | illwolf | wait |
| 08:24.32 | illwolf | do what? |
| 08:24.34 | illwolf | add -x ? |
| 08:24.37 | illwolf | to what? |
| 08:24.45 | jetscreamer | give us the complete output |
| 08:24.54 | jetscreamer | is 'do what' |
| 08:24.57 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: stop overusing enter, and add set -x underneath the shebang line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/nepenthes.prerm |
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| 08:25.09 | illwolf | dude |
| 08:25.11 | illwolf | wtf u on about |
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| 08:25.15 | jetscreamer | he means edit it |
| 08:25.19 | illwolf | edit what? |
| 08:25.22 | jetscreamer | he's on about helping you |
| 08:25.28 | jetscreamer | /var/lib/dpkg/info/nepenthes.prerm |
| 08:25.30 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: /var/lib/dpkg/info/nepenthes.prerm |
| 08:25.42 | illwolf | ok |
| 08:25.46 | illwolf | so i put a -x wherE? |
| 08:25.56 | jetscreamer | at the bottom i 'think' |
| 08:26.00 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: underneath the shebang line. #! <-- this is the shebang line. |
| 08:26.06 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 08:26.09 | illwolf | # End automatically added section |
| 08:26.10 | illwolf | ? |
| 08:26.13 | jetscreamer | the first line? |
| 08:26.18 | illwolf | ohhhhhh |
| 08:26.21 | illwolf | yeh |
| 08:26.26 | illwolf | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:26.30 | illwolf | so i put.. |
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| 08:26.33 | illwolf | #!/bin/sh -x ? |
| 08:26.33 | liable | next lline |
| 08:26.35 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: stop using enter please. |
| 08:26.43 | illwolf | ok |
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| 08:26.48 | jetscreamer | i didn't know it had a name... he meant make a new line under it i think |
| 08:27.06 | jetscreamer | and that's set -x |
| 08:27.10 | illwolf | do i make a new line #!/bin/sh |
| 08:27.10 | illwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.18 | astroboy | E: Package libdvdcss has no installation candidate |
| 08:27.18 | jetscreamer | under that |
| 08:27.30 | jetscreamer | !tell astroboy -about marillat |
| 08:27.31 | astroboy | .. what should I be looking for ? |
| 08:27.37 | illwolf | so its set -x ? |
| 08:27.43 | illwolf | and remove set -e right ? |
| 08:27.43 | jetscreamer | think so |
| 08:27.47 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 08:28.04 | jetscreamer | don't think so... |
| 08:28.05 | dondelelcaro | astroboy: read /usr/share/doc/libdvdread*/README*; |
| 08:28.12 | astroboy | Ah .. I'll have to find his sources.list .. |
| 08:28.17 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: no. don't touch the set -e |
| 08:28.22 | illwolf | ohhh |
| 08:28.23 | illwolf | omg |
| 08:28.37 | illwolf | so where do i insert -x ? |
| 08:28.45 | dondelelcaro | add a new line. that says 'set -x'. underneath the shebang line. |
| 08:28.46 | astroboy | dondeelelcaro: gracias ! |
| 08:29.04 | illwolf | Ok |
| 08:29.18 | illwolf | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:29.18 | illwolf | set -x |
| 08:29.18 | illwolf | set -e |
| 08:29.23 | illwolf | dam sorry. |
| 08:29.49 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: now rerun the purge and paste the entire output using a paste site. |
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| 08:30.07 | jetscreamer | !tell illwolf -about paste |
| 08:30.18 | illwolf | ty |
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| 08:31.24 | illwolf | ok http://pastebin.ca/394383 |
| 08:32.36 | illwolf | ? |
| 08:32.44 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: what version of nepenthes is this? paste the /etc/init.d/nepenthes script to the paste site as well. |
| 08:32.54 | illwolf | ok |
| 08:34.13 | dondelelcaro | s/20/2.0/ |
| 08:34.13 | illwolf | http://pastebin.ca/394385 |
| 08:34.34 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: the entire thing |
| 08:34.41 | illwolf | thats the hole thing |
| 08:35.03 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: it can't be; that's not an init script. |
| 08:35.14 | illwolf | well thats what i opened? |
| 08:35.24 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: you only pasted a single screen. paste the entire thing |
| 08:35.31 | illwolf | dude |
| 08:35.36 | illwolf | thats the whole friggn thing |
| 08:35.36 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: and include the dpkg -l nepenthes; output too. |
| 08:36.01 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: run wc -l /etc/init.d/nepenthes; |
| 08:36.27 | illwolf | u wanna ssh to my box and do it |
| 08:36.32 | illwolf | im not that good |
| 08:37.09 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 08:37.45 | illwolf | then |
| 08:37.46 | illwolf | fk |
| 08:38.06 | illwolf | pi nepenthes 0.2.0-1 versatile tool to collect malware by emulati |
| 08:38.35 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: why in the world are you running the experimental version of nepenthes? |
| 08:38.44 | illwolf | not sure |
| 08:39.00 | illwolf | the version i got from apt didnt remove also |
| 08:39.42 | dondelelcaro | what is the output of wc -l /etc/init.d/nepenthes; |
| 08:39.52 | illwolf | 56 |
| 08:40.15 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: that means that /etc/init.d/nepenthes has 56 lines. Your paste has 19 lines. Try to paste the entire thing, please. |
| 08:40.36 | illwolf | ok |
| 08:40.56 | jetscreamer | illwolf: he's like very good, be happy! |
| 08:41.16 | illwolf | yeah sure will |
| 08:41.18 | jetscreamer | you could be stuck with me... myhahaha |
| 08:41.26 | jetscreamer | uh... make that muhahaha |
| 08:41.59 | illwolf | http://pastebin.ca/394393 |
| 08:42.04 | illwolf | all good |
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| 08:43.13 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: edit /etc/init.d/nepenthes and add an exit 0; underneth the #!/bin/sh line |
| 08:43.23 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: then purge it. |
| 08:43.30 | illwolf | ok sec. |
| 08:43.41 | illwolf | wait |
| 08:43.52 | illwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.53 | illwolf | 0 |
| 08:43.55 | illwolf | liek that? |
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| 08:44.02 | jetscreamer | !worship donno |
| 08:44.06 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 08:44.07 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 08:44.12 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: no, 'exit 0;' |
| 08:44.20 | jetscreamer | exit 0; |
| 08:44.22 | illwolf | dude =\ |
| 08:44.33 | dondelelcaro | not '0'... 'exit 0;' |
| 08:44.42 | dondelelcaro | and in the future, don't install packages from experimental. |
| 08:44.49 | illwolf | ok |
| 08:45.01 | dondelelcaro | esp. when there's already an RC bug for precisely this issue open already |
| 08:45.09 | jetscreamer | there was a guy earlier today, he couldn't see ~ and the next letter in his irc client |
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| 08:45.22 | illwolf | http://pastebin.ca/394398 |
| 08:45.24 | illwolf | liek that? |
| 08:45.24 | jetscreamer | sirc i think it was... something like that |
| 08:45.31 | illwolf | *like |
| 08:45.45 | dondelelcaro | illwolf: without the quotes ('') |
| 08:45.51 | illwolf | ok sweet |
| 08:46.21 | jetscreamer | that just makes the script exit right there eh but return a success errorlevel or whatever eh |
| 08:46.36 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: yeah, the bug is that it doesn't use --oknodo in the stop, which it should |
| 08:46.46 | Knight_Lord | My dpkg is extremely slow. Anyone can give a hint about the problem? |
| 08:47.06 | karsten | Knight_Lord: Slow doing what? |
| 08:47.08 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: uh... how do you know it's dpkg that is slow? |
| 08:47.15 | illwolf | asome |
| 08:47.20 | illwolf | *awsome |
| 08:47.22 | illwolf | worked |
| 08:47.32 | Knight_Lord | For example I was trying to do apt-get remove zope2.9 |
| 08:47.34 | jetscreamer | don't forget the gushing gratitude |
| 08:47.39 | jetscreamer | and cases of beer |
| 08:47.53 | Knight_Lord | And it took ages before it did the (read 249231 files thing) |
| 08:47.53 | illwolf | ok |
| 08:47.57 | Knight_Lord | And I checked |
| 08:47.59 | illwolf | no worries my shout ;] |
| 08:48.02 | Knight_Lord | and dpkg-preconfigure was running |
| 08:48.12 | Knight_Lord | CPU was 99% idle |
| 08:48.15 | Knight_Lord | iowait 0 |
| 08:48.20 | dondelelcaro | it's waiting on you, most likely |
| 08:48.21 | Knight_Lord | I don't get it |
| 08:48.29 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro it was not |
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| 08:48.38 | Knight_Lord | nothing to be input |
| 08:48.44 | Knight_Lord | after 5 minutes it finished |
| 08:48.44 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: you may not see a prompt, but dpkg-preconfigure runs to configure packages. |
| 08:49.01 | Knight_Lord | This happens for every install or remove I do in apt |
| 08:49.14 | Knight_Lord | Is started to happen since i rebooted the computer |
| 08:49.18 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: that sounds more like it takes 5 minutes for it to time out |
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| 08:49.53 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro ok so what it timing out? |
| 08:50.04 | Knight_Lord | Now I'm doing apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx |
| 08:50.05 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: dunno; strace dpkg-preconfigure to find out |
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| 08:50.17 | dondelelcaro | if I were to guess, it's trying to send a debconf note to you |
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| 08:50.18 | Knight_Lord | it's not just dpkg-preconfigure |
| 08:50.27 | Knight_Lord | Now it's also dpkg-divert |
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| 08:50.40 | dondelelcaro | well, strace it and find out |
| 08:50.51 | illwolf | ok im off guys |
| 08:50.56 | illwolf | thanx for the help |
| 08:50.58 | illwolf | :) |
| 08:51.55 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro how can I strace? |
| 08:52.11 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro apt-get forks children |
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| 08:53.00 | zeeble | strace -o whateveryouwanttoexec |
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| 08:53.04 | zapalotta | hello |
| 08:53.19 | zapalotta | does anybody use the tomcat5.5-admin package? |
| 08:53.48 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro ok I got it thanks |
| 08:53.53 | zapalotta | as there is no specific README for it, I assumed that simply installing would place everything in the correct place, which didn't happen |
| 08:54.01 | zeeble | er, strace -o ~/tracedump /file/to/exec |
| 08:54.02 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro it's stating stale NFS files |
| 08:54.12 | zapalotta | any hint on what to do to not break dpkg's stuff? |
| 08:54.13 | Knight_Lord | zeeble the problem was the forks |
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| 08:54.34 | zeeble | Knight_Lord: ok. dunno what you were about.. just joined the channel. |
| 08:54.49 | Knight_Lord | but strace -f works |
| 08:55.03 | Knight_Lord | Now I don't know why dpkg-preconfigure goes around reading /usr/local |
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| 08:55.55 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: what's your PATH contain? |
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| 08:57.00 | cydork | zapalotta: tomcat is running? checked http://localhost:8180? |
| 08:58.54 | zapalotta | cydork: yes, tomcat is running fine, including the examples |
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| 09:02.28 | cydork | zapalotta: added admin user? in tomcat-users.xml or something :P |
| 09:02.59 | zapalotta | cydork: not really, as its only a test system, I gave the user tomcat the role admin |
| 09:03.16 | zapalotta | cydork: I have to go to a meeting right now, bbl |
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| 09:11.07 | Knight_Lord | Why does apt read things from /usr/local? |
| 09:12.19 | Knight_Lord | Or how come my wmaker doesn't seem to support png icons now |
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| 09:20.21 | chronographer | hello, is there a simple answer as to why my system sounds dont work? I get a internal speaker 'beep' to welcome me to debian etch with gnome. how do i make the sounds work? |
| 09:20.45 | chronographer | i have sound preferences open and when i click to hear a preview no sound plays... |
| 09:22.30 | xixor | sometimes the mixer is muted |
| 09:22.39 | xixor | ie alsamixer |
| 09:22.42 | chronographer | other sounds work... |
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| 09:29.19 | ekimus | hello, is it possible to mount/import [g]nbd exported volumes on systems other that linux (thinking of especially osX and windows here) or do I have to go with iscsi to achieve that? |
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| 09:35.45 | jetscreamer | what happens if you only use 2 //'s in the file |
| 09:37.38 | bintut | anyone here uses linksys wusb54g-v4 usb wlan adapter on their debian etch? i installed and loaded the rt2500 module on my system but everytime i tried to check my wlan interfaces using the iwconfig utility, it can't detect one. the module has been loaded during bootup. |
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| 09:45.52 | Knight_Lord | I have a most curious problems |
| 09:46.05 | Knight_Lord | I have a set of png files which come from an NFS server |
| 09:46.23 | Knight_Lord | On the NFS server they have a normal size, but on the cliet they have size 0 and I cannot view them |
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| 10:00.30 | bkhl | From the installer I just see half the memory on my new laptop. Would that be normal on a dual core machine? |
| 10:01.12 | ix | what amount? |
| 10:01.41 | bkhl | Ca 1 GB instead of the expected ca 2 GB. |
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| 10:02.21 | ix | sec |
| 10:03.25 | bkhl | Well, it's there in BIOS, so at least Dell didn't screw me. ;-) |
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| 10:03.55 | ix | nah, most likely you are lacking support for >1GB memory in the kernel. |
| 10:04.00 | bkhl | Ah. |
| 10:04.21 | ix | But I am not 100% certain just *where* the threshold is |
| 10:04.51 | bkhl | Anyway it's all there after the installation. |
| 10:04.53 | bkhl | So no worries. |
| 10:04.59 | bkhl | I was just curious. |
| 10:05.01 | ix | yup :) |
| 10:05.05 | ix | that might be the reason, then. |
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| 10:39.13 | dynamite__ | Hi, does anyone have an uptodate sources list for 3.1? |
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| 10:43.02 | cydork | !sources.list |
| 10:43.03 | dpkg | methinks sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 10:43.10 | cydork | dynamite__: ^^ |
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| 10:46.41 | mystic_jade | why debian is the most desactualized linux distribution? |
| 10:46.52 | dynamite__ | huh cydork? |
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| 10:47.46 | istirbu | mystic_jade: ? |
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| 10:48.27 | mystic_jade | istirbu you know ... |
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| 10:49.21 | mystic_jade | gnome allready release 2.16 stable version ... and the 2.14 we nede to install etch ... and if we go to the satble version lol we are in the past of actualization lol |
| 10:49.28 | mystic_jade | old software man |
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| 10:51.28 | dynamite__ | can I tell apt not to remove certain packages when installing a package? |
| 10:51.52 | dynamite__ | i work with confixx and i want to update php4 to php5 and when trying to install php5 with apt it wants to remove confixx |
| 10:52.04 | istirbu | stable always has older software, but stable. You normally would use testing/unstable for a desktop system |
| 10:53.21 | sep | dynamite__, you can use backports if you dont want to upgrade to etch |
| 10:53.26 | istirbu | if you prefer debian stable, look at backports. 2.16 version of gnome is stable from gnomes pov, not debian's. there is packaging, troubleshooting, bugfixing, qa involved |
| 10:53.50 | istirbu | so it takes a little longer to get the latest version from such huge projects |
| 10:54.02 | cydork | dynamite__: which sources do you have now? sarge doesn't have php5. like sep said if you need php5 take a look at backports.org |
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| 10:54.24 | mystic_jade | istirbu who want's to use old software?! lol |
| 10:54.35 | mystic_jade | gnome says 2.16 is stable |
| 10:54.45 | mystic_jade | they allready test it lol |
| 10:55.10 | sussudio | %lol |
| 10:55.10 | badgers | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 10:55.41 | mystic_jade | same thing like say we have windows vista but yehh let's install windows 95 because is more stable hohohohohohohoho |
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| 10:56.08 | simonrvn | this isn' |
| 10:56.13 | simonrvn | t windows |
| 10:57.07 | istirbu | mystic_jade: they allready test it lol - in debian there are usually a few more steps to do (like in any other distro): intergration with other application, LSB ans FSH, menu integration, startup script, configuration, compilation, libraries. for a developer a tough work, for a user: free and nice ride. |
| 10:57.25 | istirbu | so when it'll be out it will rock |
| 10:57.53 | istirbu | till then use unofficial packages or compile manually - nobody stops you from doing this |
| 10:58.19 | cydork | mystic_jade: /msg dpkg gnome 2.16 |
| 10:58.20 | istirbu | as I said it's stable from gnome's pov, not debian as debian is much mor |
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| 10:59.25 | lkthomas | guys, I am setting up hylafax, but hfaxd isn't running, anyone have idea why ? |
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| 11:00.34 | mystic_jade | istirbu yes but ... for exemple ubuntu is allready doing this to gnome 2.16 and debian is working in 2.14 ... why working in something that is allready past?! |
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| 11:01.18 | sep | mystic_jade, becouse a stable system is much more important then the latest bells and whistles |
| 11:01.34 | Knight_Lord | I'm getting this strange error when i start ldap |
| 11:01.39 | Knight_Lord | main: TLS init def ctx failed: -1 |
| 11:01.42 | Knight_Lord | Any clues? |
| 11:01.55 | mystic_jade | well gnome says that 2.6 is stable ... and server is osmething and desktop is another i think |
| 11:02.22 | simonrvn | Knight_Lord: cert prob? perms, wrong cn? |
| 11:02.31 | sep | mystic_jade, im talking about stable as in not changing all the time, not as in "we think we got most bugs out of it, lets release" |
| 11:03.11 | simonrvn | even when upstream calls it stable, there's still bugs that show up during further use |
| 11:03.47 | Knight_Lord | simonrvn wrong cn where? |
| 11:03.49 | sep | mystic_jade, stable in the way that i can do security upgrades without thinking about breaking configs, or version upgrades that are not backwards compatible or breks interoperation with any of the other 15000 packagse in debian |
| 11:03.56 | simonrvn | simply because there's many many more users that have different things installed, or configure it differnetly, etc. life happens |
| 11:04.01 | Knight_Lord | simonrvn is the cn embedded in the cert? |
| 11:04.06 | simonrvn | Knight_Lord: in the cert. yeh |
| 11:04.16 | Knight_Lord | simonrvn ok that would be it |
| 11:04.23 | Knight_Lord | thanks |
| 11:04.25 | simonrvn | Knight_Lord: just guessing, that's one of the most common probs |
| 11:04.34 | simonrvn | heh |
| 11:04.38 | simonrvn | np |
| 11:04.50 | mystic_jade | ok |
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| 11:07.24 | mystic_jade | sep that why i chose etch |
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| 11:08.43 | massaki | hello, Can someone plz tell me what repository can I find video and sound (wma, etc) codecs pllz? |
| 11:09.17 | Rhizome | www.mplayerhq.hu |
| 11:09.18 | Rhizome | ;) |
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| 11:10.45 | stayblue|dynamit | Build complete. |
| 11:10.45 | stayblue|dynamit | (It is safe to ignore warnings about tempnam and tmpnam). |
| 11:10.49 | stayblue|dynamit | sorry |
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| 11:11.17 | massaki | Rhizome, hum, I would really like some repos. with good stuff .. i may need other things |
| 11:11.38 | simonrvn | debian-multimedia.org iirc |
| 11:12.01 | mystic_jade | sep actualized software don`t have the advantage to have some unstable fixes?! |
| 11:12.02 | simonrvn | !mplayer |
| 11:12.02 | dpkg | it has been said that mplayer is in Debian testing and unstable. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 11:12.12 | mystic_jade | that they have in old versions? |
| 11:12.18 | simonrvn | !debian-multimedia |
| 11:12.18 | dpkg | methinks debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. Marillat's old place (ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat) is no more - he moved to http://debian-multimedia.org - update your sources.list! |
| 11:12.32 | stayblue|dynamit | cydork: its just i dont want to compromise confixx |
| 11:12.38 | simonrvn | massaki: ^^ |
| 11:12.53 | stayblue|dynamit | dynamite__ bellcheese |
| 11:12.56 | massaki | simonrvn, thx man! |
| 11:13.01 | stayblue|dynamit | you know? |
| 11:13.10 | stayblue|dynamit | if confixx gets compromised im fucked |
| 11:13.16 | simonrvn | mystic_jade: etch is going to be released soon, it has a lot of fixes |
| 11:13.17 | stayblue|dynamit | cause there is no way in reinstalling it |
| 11:13.34 | mystic_jade | simonrvn great listen this :) |
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| 11:14.29 | simonrvn | 'great to hear this!' is i think what you meant |
| 11:14.34 | Beens | hi guy's |
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| 11:15.00 | Beens | i have an wierd issue with debia |
| 11:15.01 | Beens | n |
| 11:15.02 | zeeble | i actually did wait for a few seconds for the secret revelation |
| 11:15.34 | zeeble | you need to describe it, beens |
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| 11:16.05 | Beens | INIT: cannot execute "/sbin/getty" |
| 11:16.06 | Beens | INIT: /dev/initctl is not a fifo |
| 11:16.06 | Beens | INIT: ID "3" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 11:16.19 | Beens | and that 10 times :p |
| 11:16.38 | Beens | when i try to do ctrl+alt+del |
| 11:16.56 | Beens | it said INIT: cannot execute "/sbin/shutdown" |
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| 11:17.20 | simonrvn | what did you do? stop the install in the middle? |
| 11:17.25 | Beens | no |
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| 11:17.54 | Beens | it's a running system and i needed to reboot and it didn't come back after reboot so i went to the datacenter and saw that on my screen |
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| 11:18.23 | ebw | I tried to install selinux in debian with help of www.debianwiki.de article selinux. check-selinux-installation as root gives Old tty's found. I deleted them many times now, how can I stop my system creating them at boot? |
| 11:18.23 | zeeble | Why did it need to be rebooted? What did you update? |
| 11:19.09 | Beens | i upgraded the kernel but it's not a kernel issue cause I also have those messages when i boot into the old kernel |
| 11:19.15 | Beens | i think it's a filesystem issue |
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| 11:19.43 | simonrvn | sounds like massive corruption if so |
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| 11:23.50 | dynamite__ | what does my apache2 config need in order to use php5 instead of 4? |
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| 11:26.13 | istirbu | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 11:26.22 | simonrvn | right php version of stuff installed |
| 11:26.34 | simonrvn | bah, kill my grammar |
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| 11:28.35 | massaki | I cant find a way to play wma files on myy xmms, there is any codec available to sarge ? |
| 11:29.43 | Shadur | try debian-multimedia.org |
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| 11:30.35 | massaki | yes, i add that one, but i did`t find xmms wma |
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| 11:31.17 | massaki | do i have to put contrib , and non free ? .. cuz it`s only main right now |
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| 11:37.00 | terr_ | I was talking to someone a couple days ago about 1000's of zombies in Debian Sarge after an upgrade from woody. HE suggested trying LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4 This doesn't do anything. Did I get that 100% correct? |
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| 11:39.29 | massaki | what happen if i install a unstable package on my stable debian ? |
| 11:40.30 | sep | massaki, breakage. confusion, blood, tears and screaming + tearing of hair. |
| 11:40.31 | Ronin | massaki: nothing good usually |
| 11:40.45 | sep | massaki, use a backport instead |
| 11:40.55 | Ronin | !tell massaki about backports |
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| 11:48.59 | SeanTater | X is using 277MB memory.. Is this normal? |
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| 11:50.32 | terr_ | SeanTater: probably. Memory usage with the code base is awful. The programmers really ought to be looking at this and they don't. Its just awful. |
| 11:50.41 | Trewas | SeanTater: yes, and it is not simply because of "bloat", X stores bitmaps for other programs etc so its memory consumption can become quite high |
| 11:50.59 | Trewas | xrestop shows how much memory is used in X because of that |
| 11:51.55 | SeanTater | Trewas: never heard of that, I'll try it |
| 11:52.12 | SeanTater | terr_: the only thing worse, IMO, is artsd on occasion.. |
| 11:52.35 | terr_ | SeanTater: what they don't realise is that malloc is very expensive. |
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| 11:57.35 | massaki | Ronin, ho, thx you xD |
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| 11:57.38 | uosiu | hi |
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| 11:58.43 | skoobly | is there a binary editor / viewer installed on Debian by default? I need to look inside a binary data file. |
| 11:58.58 | uosiu | skoobly: not Kwrite? |
| 11:59.40 | skoobly | uosiu, ... ummm, anything for the command line? this box is a headless server and it's AMD64, vnc is broken for AMD64 |
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| 12:00.04 | uosiu | skoobly: hell knows |
| 12:00.13 | uosiu | i have a problem with alsa and debian etch |
| 12:00.14 | xand | strings |
| 12:00.17 | skoobly | uosiu, lol, thanks |
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| 12:08.07 | Zao | skoobly: xxd filename | view - |
| 12:08.44 | uosiu | hmmm |
| 12:08.52 | uosiu | who can help me with ALSA? |
| 12:08.55 | jatt | skoobly: emacs has hexl mode: a special mode for editing binary files. |
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| 12:10.00 | cookoo | is samba networking? |
| 12:10.07 | jatt | !samba |
| 12:10.07 | dpkg | samba is probably a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 12:10.18 | cookoo | ty |
| 12:11.26 | tenzing_ | !alsa one-liner |
| 12:11.27 | dpkg | from memory, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 12:13.34 | cookoo | ok ive seen alot os windows stuff talked about with samba if i have all linux machines what is the best way to network them |
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| 12:15.00 | jatt | cookoo: if your machines are all linux then you don't need samba |
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| 12:16.09 | cookoo | what do i do |
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| 12:16.46 | cb | cookoo, nfs |
| 12:17.04 | uosiu | sorry |
| 12:17.08 | uosiu | now alsa works :> |
| 12:17.44 | Scurz | what is a /dev/* for a camera ? I have : "Bus 002 Device 003: ID 040a:0578 Kodak Co." with a lsusb. |
| 12:17.46 | jatt | cookoo: read this: |
| 12:17.46 | jatt | http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/ |
| 12:18.09 | uosiu | Scurz: not sd* ? |
| 12:18.17 | Scurz | no :( |
| 12:18.52 | uosiu | hmmm |
| 12:18.53 | Scurz | there is not sd* |
| 12:18.53 | Scurz | in /dev/ |
| 12:18.53 | uosiu | let's think |
| 12:19.00 | Scurz | :/ |
| 12:19.00 | uosiu | Scurz: pastebin me `ls /dev`, please |
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| 12:19.29 | Scurz | uosiu: http://paste.debian.net/23659 |
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| 12:20.36 | Langly | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/alpha/install.pdf.en says how to boot from cd-rom with the srm console but not the arc console, anywhere where I can dig that up? |
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| 12:21.14 | Langly | for Alpha that is |
| 12:21.25 | d1zzy | uhmm does debian offers an x86-64 toolchain for x86 ? I mean binutils, gcc to build x86-64 objects on x86 computers ? |
| 12:21.44 | uosiu | Scurz: usbdev* ? |
| 12:22.23 | Scurz | hum |
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| 12:23.57 | cookoo | lm_sensors "i think" is causing my video card to go crazy during boot up but as soon as it hits gdm it straightens out anyone ever had that |
| 12:24.05 | Scurz | uosiu: no |
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| 12:24.29 | uosiu | Scurz: no idea, use MAKEDEV :> |
| 12:25.11 | Scurz | how use MAKDEV ? |
| 12:25.16 | Langly | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/alpha/ch02s01.html.en#alpha-cpus tells how to boot with SRM but not with ARC damn it, can anyone help? |
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| 12:26.36 | Scurz | reboot |
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| 12:29.58 | lkthomas | guys |
| 12:30.10 | lkthomas | anyone could tell me about config file missing thing ? |
| 12:30.14 | cookoo | does vnc come with kde? |
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| 12:31.27 | lkthomas | !debian confmissing |
| 12:31.54 | liable | !tell lkthomas about confmiss |
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| 12:34.10 | Triona | I'm having trouble finding the right documentation for GFS in debian etch, and would appreciate if if someone could point me in the direction of whatever FM I need to R. |
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| 12:34.32 | lkthomas | thanks |
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| 12:35.19 | panagos | why is python2.5 on the *7th* etch .jigdo ? |
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| 12:35.54 | Ronin | cause |
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| 12:40.25 | kbrooks | $ apt-get source pkg |
| 12:40.36 | kbrooks | $ (cd into pkg... mod it...) |
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| 12:40.53 | kbrooks | then what do you do to get a .deb from that? |
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| 12:41.01 | panagos | why is python2.5 on the *7th* etch .iso ? |
| 12:41.11 | Ronin | panagos: where do you think it should be then |
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| 12:42.10 | panagos | Ronin: on the 1st, 2nd at most! |
| 12:42.40 | panagos | Ronin: isn't it tested enough? |
| 12:43.10 | RvGaTe | With rtorrent, how can i see when the download is finished? |
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| 12:43.26 | Ronin | the placement on teh cd has nothing to do with how well its been tested |
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| 12:48.51 | McGee | Hi |
| 12:48.59 | zapalotta | hi |
| 12:49.20 | zamuro | Hey o/ |
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| 12:49.59 | McGee | What would you consider the most effective way to find the last apperance of a keyword in a log file? |
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| 12:51.38 | teledyn | manually, with vim, just shift-g /<string> shift-n |
| 12:52.27 | terr_ | I was talking to someone a couple days ago about 1000's of zombies in Debian Sarge after an upgrade from woody. HE suggested trying LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4 This doesn't do anything. Did I get that 100% correct? |
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| 12:53.22 | rmrfchik | what about kernel 2.6.20? |
| 12:53.58 | terr_ | I'm running 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
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| 12:59.48 | xand | McGee: grep, tail |
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| 13:09.54 | McGee | xand, yeah but when i use "tail -n <some_numer> | grep <keyword>" its not save that i realy catch it. Im rather looking for something that reads the file "backwards" |
| 13:10.17 | xand | no |
| 13:10.21 | xand | grep | tail |
| 13:11.00 | ekimus | McGee: tac |
| 13:11.05 | McGee | But grep reads the file from beginning to end then. if i have 1G lines and the match is in the last line... |
| 13:11.43 | ekimus | McGee: tac ! |
| 13:11.49 | McGee | ekimus, thats what im looking for, thanks! |
| 13:13.11 | ekimus | ok now anyone has a good guide to iscsi-target on debian? (along with open-iscsi in etch would be best) I just can't figure it out |
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| 13:16.31 | McGee | ekimus, hmm but how cat i make it stop reading if i match my keyword... |
| 13:17.02 | simonrvn | no, tac, not cat |
| 13:17.33 | simonrvn | you just tac/cat the file and pipe it through grep... |
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| 13:17.55 | simonrvn | note that using tac is not eligible for the UUOC award, in this case |
| 13:18.03 | VImtermute | hah |
| 13:18.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 13:19.28 | McGee | !UUOC award |
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| 13:20.23 | McGee | hm but this does not reduce the cpu time / io-load i guess... |
| 13:20.39 | simonrvn | no, just make it go backwards |
| 13:20.48 | lkthomas | guys, if a program on ps shows defunct, does it means it's on error and quit ? |
| 13:21.25 | jatt | lkthomas: |
| 13:21.26 | jatt | Z Defunct ("zombie") process, terminated but not reaped by its parent. |
| 13:21.36 | ekimus | afaik it means it's dead, it's still somewhere in memory but damn sure dead |
| 13:21.43 | McGee | Any ideas? Im looking for a way to grep upside down and stop seraching if the first match is found... |
| 13:21.53 | lkthomas | ekimus, hmm |
| 13:21.58 | simonrvn | just told you at least twice McGee |
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| 13:22.13 | jatt | lkthomas: from the ps man page: |
| 13:22.13 | jatt | "A process marked <defunct> is partly dead, waiting to be fully destroyed by its parent." |
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| 13:24.07 | McGee | simonrvn, thank you, im ashamed that i did not rtfm enough to find greps -m option sooner... |
| 13:24.17 | Hilaus | I see 5 root connected if I type: "who" .. but actually I am the only root connected.. the others are from another days I connected... how can I remove them? |
| 13:24.38 | simonrvn | hehe cool McGee |
| 13:25.32 | RichiH | !uuoc |
| 13:25.32 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
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| 13:26.21 | justin | cat filename | grep pattern is easier to type when you expect to have to fine tune 'pattern' |
| 13:26.23 | ekimus | RichiH: uuoc doesn't apply to tac afaik |
| 13:26.42 | simonrvn | no it would, since there's grep -m |
| 13:26.57 | RichiH | ekimus: unless they enhance grep not, no |
| 13:27.06 | RichiH | i just wanted to know what it is |
| 13:27.06 | ekimus | simonrvn: how do you make grep start with the last line of a file? |
| 13:27.24 | simonrvn | ^^ |
| 13:27.39 | sysfault | tac file | grep ....... |
| 13:27.46 | ekimus | lol |
| 13:27.54 | Langly | Ugh |
| 13:28.01 | sysfault | something funny? |
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| 13:28.30 | Langly | Anyone good with alphas around, I updated the firmware on my personal workstation 600a both srm and arc, but I cant figure out how to make it boot srm instead of arc |
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| 13:29.08 | VImtermute | isn't that Useless Use of Tac? |
| 13:29.08 | VImtermute | ;) |
| 13:29.36 | ekimus | sysfault: [14:10:56] <ekimus> McGee: tac <-- start reading at that line |
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| 13:30.00 | fluxdude | can tcpdump be used to show packet contents in real time? I don't think so, is there something else that can? |
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| 13:30.07 | b52lap | anyone can past me him path related variables elated to java ? |
| 13:30.24 | istirbu | sysfault: tac file | grep ....... - in case you want to see first the last entries |
| 13:30.37 | sysfault | VImtermute: unless grep has an option, no. |
| 13:31.03 | darkskiez | is there someone funny about sarge to etch kerberos upgrades |
| 13:31.05 | sysfault | if you want branvhing and addressing, use sed :) |
| 13:31.14 | sysfault | branching* |
| 13:31.23 | darkskiez | i installed a new etch server and copied over the kerberos database and stash and it complains the stash is corrupted |
| 13:31.42 | VImtermute | sysfault, i wanted to say that, you could hack it with sed :) |
| 13:31.43 | darkskiez | kadmin.local: Stored master key is corrupted while initializing kadmin.local interface |
| 13:31.52 | VImtermute | that way, no taccing |
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| 13:31.59 | VImtermute | no useless processes :) |
| 13:32.22 | McGee | ekimus, Thank you, im happy since "simonrvn: hehe cool McGee", problem is solved :) |
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| 13:35.08 | ekimus | VImtermute: 3 seconds googling :) - sedoneliner.txt is just a must have in all my homedirs |
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| 13:35.28 | VImtermute | ekimus, haha |
| 13:35.30 | VImtermute | sed owns |
| 13:35.41 | cast | you *can* burn a 4.6e9 byte file with growisofs right? i'm getting a 'genisoimage: Value too large for defined data type. File $name is too large - ignoring' :\ |
| 13:37.05 | cast | hmm, 4gb limit. doh. |
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| 13:41.33 | apk | HOw do I see a file's creation time? |
| 13:43.20 | Rhizome | apk: check out the stat command, the creation time isn't stored anywhere. |
| 13:44.53 | apk | That is too bad. |
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| 13:47.09 | liable | ls -l gives what? last modified? |
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| 13:47.39 | Rhizome | indeed |
| 13:47.39 | apk | liable: Yes. |
| 13:47.40 | Rhizome | ;) |
| 13:47.49 | apk | Why doesn't UNIX store file creation time? |
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| 13:47.56 | BabyBee | Is there a chanel talking about gcc ? |
| 13:49.07 | cast | apk: your filesystem does. |
| 13:49.18 | seshomaru1234 | please excuse me for this extreme newbie question ,but i just installed conky on etch , i would like to modify .conkyrc but i cant for the life of me locate it, i thought its a hidden file in /home but it aint, is there a command i can locate it with? |
| 13:49.42 | cast | dpkg -L conky|grep conkyrc |
| 13:49.42 | dpkg | ii conky|grep conkyrc 1.9-5 cast's private stamp collection |
| 13:49.44 | liable | seshomaru1234: have you started the program yet? |
| 13:49.55 | cast | copy that file to ~/.conkyrc |
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| 13:50.14 | h3sp4wn | cast: ctime is last modified time - afaik creation time is not stored anywhere |
| 13:50.26 | darkskiez | apk: use a filesystem that does - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 13:50.28 | seshomaru1234 | liable, yes |
| 13:50.36 | darkskiez | apk: Creation Timestamps |
| 13:50.53 | cast | h3sp4wn: oh...my bad. i was thinking creation time/ access time, instead of modification time /access time |
| 13:51.23 | darkskiez | JFS looks like the only realistic candidate for linux |
| 13:51.40 | seshomaru1234 | cast, i dont get any input for that command, it just returns to # |
| 13:52.19 | cast | usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conkyrc.sample.gz looks good |
| 13:52.19 | dooglus | one of my debian boxes refused to boot. lilo says: "Loading debian ............... ..............." (with a space in amongst all the dots) and then hangs. what does the space indicate? |
| 13:52.57 | apk | cast: How do I get information from the filesystem (i.e. reiserfs)? |
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| 13:54.21 | darkskiez | dooglus: maybe its the initramdisk |
| 13:55.31 | dooglus | darkskiez: I tried again, and got the same result (single space in the dots, and immediate hang). then I tried the 'olddebian' (previous kernel) menu entry, and that time saw a space in the dots, but it booted OK |
| 13:55.41 | dooglus | I'm wondering if maybe I need to just clean the screen |
| 13:56.04 | darkskiez | if its hanging somethings borked |
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| 13:56.25 | dooglus | right, but I'm running unstable, so that's to be expected |
| 13:56.37 | dooglus | it's more the 'missing dot' that's puzzling me |
| 13:57.01 | darkskiez | not really, i've run unstable for years on my home machine with no hassle at all, |
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| 13:57.05 | dooglus | I've tried #lilo, but it won't let me in. it redirects me to an invite-only channel |
| 13:57.06 | darkskiez | maybe just the odd packaging problem. |
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| 14:02.11 | dooglus | darkskiez: before the last reboot it was hanging on apt-get dist-upgrade every time |
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| 14:02.25 | dooglus | darkskiez: 'ps -ef' showed it was running some 'lilo -t' command I think |
| 14:02.31 | darkskiez | I seeeee |
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| 14:02.49 | dooglus | and some 'fuse' process was eating a lot of CPU, too |
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| 14:08.02 | Langly | Switching Console Firmware |
| 14:08.02 | Langly | To switch from the ARC console (used with the Microsoft Windows NT Workstation |
| 14:08.02 | Langly | operating system) to the SRM console (used with the DEC OSF/1 and OpenVMS operating |
| 14:08.02 | Langly | systems), follow these steps from the Boot menu: |
| 14:08.02 | Langly | 1. Select Supplementary menu... |
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| 14:08.10 | Langly | Sorry thought that was 2 lines |
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| 14:08.26 | Langly | but, what damned boot menu, never gives me such |
| 14:08.32 | Langly | I am ready to axe murder |
| 14:09.36 | Langly | its got Alphabios, but never even gives me the arc console, just the f2 setup and os selection for nt |
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| 14:11.50 | xxl3w | in order to get a program to startup, i just create a file named .xsession in my home directory, right? then add the command in there? |
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| 14:13.25 | rmrfchik | xxl3w: I think, by using xsession you will replace a whole session |
| 14:13.56 | xxl3w | what should i use? |
| 14:14.07 | liable | what desktp/wm do you use? |
| 14:14.10 | liable | if any.. |
| 14:14.11 | xxl3w | icewm |
| 14:14.16 | sylvanthis | if i'd want to switch from stable to unstable, do i just need to edit sources.list en change all stable after the mirror to unstable and then run apt-get update ? |
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| 14:15.24 | xxl3w | i'm using iceWM and i installed GDM so i could auto-login |
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| 14:17.37 | rgsteele | sylvanthis: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:17.54 | rgsteele | sylvanthis: apt-get update will update the package lists |
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| 14:19.18 | sander | Hello. I am running Debian/etch-xen on a ProLiant server, but my kernel keeps crashing every few hours. I see a lot of "Message from syslogd@<host>" errors on the console and then it freezes. However, when rebooting I can't find these errors in any logfile. Where are they supposed to be written to? |
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| 14:21.06 | xxl3w | when i look in xsession-errors, there's really no errors |
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| 14:22.07 | rmrfchik | xxl3w: and what is in file? |
| 14:22.20 | sylvanthis | rgsteele, ok thnx, and if i leave also stable in sources.list, how will I know if it will pick stable or unstable if I don't define -t ? |
| 14:22.36 | xxl3w | let me paste it |
| 14:22.38 | xxl3w | hold |
| 14:22.59 | rmrfchik | see topic. do not paste |
| 14:23.01 | juxed | hi, everybody |
| 14:23.10 | xxl3w | not pasting in here |
| 14:23.33 | rmrfchik | juxed |
| 14:23.48 | juxed | somebody already installed zabbix ? |
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| 14:25.30 | rgsteele | sylvanthis: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 14:26.05 | Rockj | Hi, I'm wondering if someone could assist me in resizing(extend) my partition which is hardware raid5. Ive migrated in two new disks and wonders what is the safe way to fix my partition table. |
| 14:26.21 | xxl3w | hmm |
| 14:26.23 | xxl3w | pastebin is down |
| 14:26.32 | sylvanthis | rgsteele, ahhh ty ^^ |
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| 14:26.44 | rgsteele | sylvanthis: Very welcome. |
| 14:26.54 | xxl3w | in xsession-errors, it just has different parts of the loading process in it, but there's no errors |
| 14:27.02 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
| 14:27.02 | rmrfchik | xxl3w: anyway, you don't need to look into xsession-errors in general |
| 14:27.25 | xxl3w | i don't understand. i have 4 of the same computers setup exactly like this one, and they work fine |
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| 14:28.13 | zamuro | How can I hide my ip addy on indent here at freenode? Is there a command or something? Since mode +x isn't supported... |
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| 14:30.28 | rmrfchik | xxl3w: compare /etc/X11/Xsession.options |
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| 14:33.13 | xxl3w | what's .dmrc? |
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| 14:34.47 | stew | rmrfchik: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
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| 14:37.47 | xxl3w | can i just put it in Xsession? |
| 14:37.51 | rmrfchik | stew: ? |
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| 14:39.54 | rmrfchik | xxl3w: dunno. try ;) |
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| 14:40.24 | sander | Hello all. When my kernel crashes I see a log of "Message from syslogd@<myhostname>" on my console, but I can't find them in /var/log/syslog after I rebooted. Where are these messages supposed to be logged? |
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| 14:41.41 | sylvanthis | sander, have you tried dmesg? |
| 14:42.41 | stew | rmrfchik: oh, i have no idea why i sent that to you |
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| 14:42.49 | stew | zamuro: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
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| 14:43.48 | sander | sylvanthis: Yes. There's no mention of the messages in there either |
| 14:43.51 | Joelio | hi guys, is anyone aware of any enlightenment e17 repos for etch? |
| 14:44.31 | sander | sylvanthis: nor in /var/log/messages, /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/xen/xend.log for that matter |
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| 14:48.37 | GutterPunk | Hi |
| 14:49.09 | GutterPunk | I'm using the Debian Etch installer. I have 2 partitions: /boot and an LVM partition. When grub tries to install it fails |
| 14:49.38 | GutterPunk | Any ideas about why this is happening? |
| 14:50.36 | Wolfete | GutterPunk: which fs? |
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| 14:51.44 | GutterPunk | Wolfete, /boot is an ext3 partition. On the lvm I have /, /home, swapspace, /tmp and /var, all configured as ext3 |
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| 14:52.03 | wimpies | I want to add a printer but the 'add' wizard does not show my parallel port as a selectable option (only SMB and OTHER) What might be wrong ? |
| 14:52.09 | Wolfete | hm, i can't help you then |
| 14:52.21 | sylvanthis | sander, sry i don't know then |
| 14:52.32 | Wolfete | i asked 'cause i had some problemes with an xfs partition when installin grub |
| 14:53.14 | GutterPunk | Is it to be expected that installation of grub would fail when configuring lvm? Or might this be because of an incompatible bios configuration? |
| 14:53.15 | sander | sylvanthis: Thanks anyway. I'm now looking into configuring my desktop as a serial console for the server so I can log the messages. |
| 14:53.22 | GutterPunk | Wolfete, I see :) thanks anyway |
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| 14:55.14 | indridcold | hey guys |
| 14:55.21 | Wolfete | GutterPunk: u're wellcome |
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| 14:56.25 | sheldonh | where can i find out what's on the cds? i'm concerned a net install will take too long on 1mbps adsl, but want to make sure i use media that include everything i need (kde, java, openoffice, subversion, apache, ruby, rails, postgresql, sqlite and some bits and pieces) |
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| 14:56.58 | ebw | As I read the gpl I understood it to be a license only applying to distribution, modification and so on, but using the program isn' addressed by the gpl, so I could write a programm distribute it under gpl, but forbidding it's use unless a fee is paid? |
| 14:57.11 | sheldonh | i'm getting edgy (etchy? haha) and thinking about cross-grading my laptop tonight, but would hate to find myself unable to work tomorrow because the net install took too long :) |
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| 14:59.40 | Plouj | hi |
| 14:59.43 | indridcold | how do I give a regular user super-user privileges ? |
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| 15:00.10 | Plouj | how do I make the default Debian's DHCP client tell my local DNS server (possibly via DHCP request) what hostname to assign to this machine? |
| 15:00.13 | sheldonh | indridcold: add them to the wheel group, which allows them to su. or add appropriate entries to /etc/sudoers, which allows them to sudo |
| 15:00.16 | Joelio | what's the apt command to find out what package contains what file.. looking for some X11 development library stuff |
| 15:00.37 | istirbu | apt-file search "a file" |
| 15:00.55 | Joelio | cheers |
| 15:01.04 | indridcold | strange name for a group "wheel" |
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| 15:02.34 | indridcold | I want basically to have perm super-user privs for an account |
| 15:03.00 | sheldonh | indridcold: from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person |
| 15:03.08 | outlaw84 | Do you need to forward both tcp and udp for SSH? |
| 15:03.17 | sheldonh | indridcold: that defeats the object of a non-root user |
| 15:03.48 | sheldonh | outlaw84: what do you mean? |
| 15:04.07 | indridcold | I thought that you could have different levels of priviledges |
| 15:04.09 | indridcold | like a sysadmin |
| 15:04.11 | indridcold | root |
| 15:04.13 | indridcold | and regular user |
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| 15:04.23 | sheldonh | indridcold: there's root, and there's everyone else |
| 15:04.35 | sheldonh | indridcold: more fine-grained controls are available through kernel patches |
| 15:04.36 | indridcold | ok |
| 15:04.37 | indridcold | gotcha |
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| 15:04.39 | outlaw84 | sheldonh: If am behind a firewall do I need to forward tcp and udp pakets or is it sufficient with tcp, if I wanna use SSH |
| 15:05.10 | sheldonh | outlaw84: tcp port 22 is sufficient for ssh connections |
| 15:05.32 | outlaw84 | sheldonh: okey thanks |
| 15:05.41 | tommy^ | grep ssh /etc/services |
| 15:06.43 | outlaw84 | tommy^: that says udp as well :( |
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| 15:07.24 | tommy^ | yeah.. |
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| 15:10.02 | GutterPunk | Alright, on the Debian homepage that say key signing breaks RC1. I thought this wouldn't interfere when I didn't choose to install extra packages, but when I checked the log on tty 4 it appears that it can't install grub :/ |
| 15:10.05 | Joelio | ooh, yea! e17 here I come!! |
| 15:10.34 | GutterPunk | But... For the base installation, do I need anything but the *first* of the full debian disk set? |
| 15:10.49 | GutterPunk | I don't feel like downloading all of them... |
| 15:11.15 | abrotman | use a daily |
| 15:11.28 | abrotman | i beleive the same note tells you to do that |
| 15:11.32 | GutterPunk | abrotman, well I'm currently leeching a weekly :) |
| 15:11.41 | abrotman | daily! |
| 15:11.42 | abrotman | netinst! |
| 15:11.51 | GutterPunk | oh! |
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| 15:11.58 | GutterPunk | thanks :D |
| 15:11.59 | karsten | Joelio: e17? When did that happen? |
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| 15:12.52 | GutterPunk | abrotman, I didn't see the link at first glance, I thought they were sarge images |
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| 15:13.04 | Plouj | I updated sarge to etch and now I see "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated" - how do I fix that? |
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| 15:13.16 | karsten | Plouj: /topic. Get keys |
| 15:13.38 | karsten | Plouj: *and* run 'aptitude update' afterwards to make everything happy. |
| 15:13.52 | Plouj | karsten: after what? |
| 15:14.01 | Plouj | karsten: I don't see anything about keys in the topic |
| 15:14.19 | Ronin | | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key |
| 15:14.25 | karsten | Plouj: In ALL CAPS even? |
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| 15:14.32 | Ronin | you mean that Plouj ? |
| 15:14.38 | Plouj | oh, I didn't realize that's what public keys meant |
| 15:14.50 | karsten | Now you do. |
| 15:14.51 | xxl3w | i don't understand why icewm isn't autostarting my .xsession file |
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| 15:15.06 | karsten | xxl3w: It doesn't. startx / xinit does. |
| 15:15.26 | xxl3w | umm, ok |
| 15:15.35 | xxl3w | i don't understand why xinit isn't autostarting .xsession |
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| 15:15.42 | karsten | xxl3w: So, if you're starting X via 'startx', ... Right, that's the question. |
| 15:16.13 | xxl3w | yes, i am. i installed GDM to to autologin, so i'mn guessing it's still using startx |
| 15:16.23 | karsten | xxl3w: pastebin your .xsession. Or try symlinking it to .xinitrc |
| 15:17.03 | xxl3w | umm, .xsession wasn't even created. i created it and added "rdesktop -u QC4 jeffers1 -f -a 24 &" |
| 15:17.05 | karsten | GDM might not be, read its init files (or grep 'startx', or look for 'startx' in your process table). |
| 15:17.35 | xxl3w | how do i symlink it? |
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| 15:17.45 | karsten | xxl3w: If you want X and rdesktop to start automatically you don't even technically need gdm, but if it works ... |
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| 15:17.49 | karsten | xxl3w: man ln |
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| 15:18.12 | xxl3w | i need something to autologin too |
| 15:18.15 | raf256 | there is a fundamentall bug in translations in Debian |
| 15:18.30 | shogunx | xxl3w what are the permissions and ownership of your .xsession? |
| 15:18.34 | Ronin | then submit it raf256 |
| 15:18.37 | raf256 | technical terms like SWAP or PROXY should NOT be translated |
| 15:18.43 | karsten | xxl3w: You can launch X directly via a custom inittab line or inetd.conf file. |
| 15:18.47 | abrotman | karsten: that's crazy talk |
| 15:18.49 | xxl3w | god, i wish i was on the box right now |
| 15:18.52 | Ronin | Faithful: why not? |
| 15:18.57 | xxl3w | i just unhooked it because i have to do some orders |
| 15:18.58 | karsten | abrotman: You've got my number. |
| 15:19.01 | raf256 | or, the well known term should be used parallel to translated name |
| 15:19.08 | raf256 | since it only creates confusion |
| 15:19.09 | xxl3w | the user i added through the debian setup, created the file |
| 15:19.17 | xxl3w | so i'm guessing it has all the permissions |
| 15:19.21 | xxl3w | should i create it with root? |
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| 15:19.47 | abrotman | karsten: 8675309 ? |
| 15:19.47 | raf256 | Ronin: how? this problem is in all applications |
| 15:19.51 | shogunx | xxl3w, it should be executable, and have ownership and group of the user. |
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| 15:20.08 | Faithful | Ronin: ? Yes? |
| 15:20.16 | juice` | is there any package with ATI xwindows drivers? i have xserver-xorg-video-ati already, but that doesnt help |
| 15:20.16 | xxl3w | how would i set permissions? |
| 15:20.19 | xxl3w | chmod? |
| 15:20.28 | abrotman | juice`: for which card ? |
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| 15:20.35 | karsten | abrotman: Yep. That's me. Karsten "Jenny" hisself. |
| 15:20.36 | shogunx | xxl3w, correct |
| 15:20.38 | juice` | ati 1950 pro |
| 15:20.46 | karsten | xxl3w: Yes. |
| 15:20.50 | Ronin | sorry Faithful fingers and tab complete gone astray |
| 15:21.05 | xxl3w | if the user created it, shouldn't it already be in his group? |
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| 15:21.24 | juice` | abrotman: for ati 1950 pro |
| 15:21.26 | shogunx | xxl3w, correct. likely permissions. |
| 15:21.47 | xxl3w | well, i created it with the user, soooo |
| 15:21.50 | xxl3w | it's good? |
| 15:22.03 | shogunx | if tis 755 |
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| 15:22.34 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 15:22.34 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 15:22.37 | Joelio | karsten: building it from source |
| 15:22.42 | abrotman | karsten: what size bra do you wear? |
| 15:22.56 | karsten | abrotman: 69-XXX |
| 15:23.12 | karsten | Joelio: OK |
| 15:23.14 | shogunx | are we trading underwear now abrotman:P |
| 15:23.30 | Ronin | get a room you two :) |
| 15:23.55 | abrotman | shogunx: just karsten |
| 15:23.55 | xand | O.o |
| 15:24.03 | xxl3w | soo, is there a tutorial on how to autologin/autoload X and programs in X? |
| 15:24.04 | dark | BG RLZ |
| 15:24.11 | xxl3w | GDM is larger than my WM |
| 15:24.23 | abrotman | xxl3w: there's a few via google |
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| 15:24.36 | karsten | xxl3w: Try searching for kiosk linux. |
| 15:24.36 | xxl3w | i think it takes longer to load GDM than to load linux |
| 15:24.42 | abrotman | then don't use it |
| 15:24.54 | xxl3w | i need it to autologin |
| 15:25.26 | sha_ | ? |
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| 15:25.39 | karsten | xxl3w: Me personally I'd add a 99 sysvinit that looked like "su -c "startx" kioskuser", and have an .xinitrc (owned by root) in kioskuser's homedir with what I wanted run. |
| 15:25.43 | sha_ | xx13w: why not using a simple shell script? |
| 15:26.00 | karsten | xxl3w: You don't need to "log in" to X. You just need it run. |
| 15:26.16 | xxl3w | i know, but someone has to login |
| 15:26.25 | xxl3w | i can get it to load x after login with no problems |
| 15:26.36 | torrr | anyone knows to configure pure-ftpd? |
| 15:26.44 | karsten | xxl3w: No, someone doesn't. |
| 15:27.19 | karsten | xxl3w: sysvinit == the system that automatically starts programs by runlevel when your system first starts up. man init. See also /usr/share/doc/sysvinit |
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| 15:27.48 | xxl3w | thanks :) |
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| 15:28.46 | karsten | xxl3w: You may also need to re-run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common" and change who's allowed to run X directly. man 5 Xwraper.config |
| 15:29.14 | karsten | hrm. |
| 15:29.16 | xxl3w | well, i really wouldn't mind just leaving it ASIS, considering i've already installed this on 5 computers and it worked fine |
| 15:29.22 | xxl3w | i don't want half having GDM and half not |
| 15:29.49 | karsten | OK |
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| 15:30.08 | xxl3w | even the /home/$user/.icewm/preferences isn't loading |
| 15:30.20 | karsten | perms ok? |
| 15:30.23 | xxl3w | it seems like nothing in the user's home directory is working. |
| 15:30.30 | Ronin | torrr: you looked in the man and on pure-ftpd.org or whatever the address is? |
| 15:30.34 | xxl3w | i really don't know anything about permissions |
| 15:31.29 | xxl3w | i tried man permissions but there's no man on them :P |
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| 15:32.00 | xxl3w | i hate training people at work. christ, i want to say "look, we're in the internet dept. just look busy and no one will know" |
| 15:32.16 | Ronin | xxl3w: google? |
| 15:32.35 | karsten | xxl3w: 'ls -l <filename>' |
| 15:33.06 | karsten | xxl3w: eg: -rw-r--r-- 1 karsten karsten 119 2006-03-12 00:37 .xsession |
| 15:33.13 | xxl3w | also, is there a certain order i need to be installing things through apt? |
| 15:33.26 | karsten | xxl3w: Says it's owned by me, it's read/writeable by me, and group/world readable. |
| 15:33.31 | karsten | xxl3w: No. |
| 15:33.42 | karsten | xxl3w: If something else needs to be installed, apt handles it through deps. |
| 15:33.44 | xxl3w | like, x-windows-system-core, gdm |
| 15:34.06 | xxl3w | ok |
| 15:34.07 | karsten | xxl3w: Well, if you need X on the system, adding x-windows-system-core _would_ be useful ;-) |
| 15:34.23 | xxl3w | yea, but do i apt gdm after it? |
| 15:34.25 | xxl3w | or does it matter? |
| 15:34.40 | xxl3w | that's the only thing i did differently, and now i'm getting problems |
| 15:34.55 | karsten | xxl3w: X clients don't specifically require a _local_ X server. |
| 15:35.31 | karsten | xxl3w: ... though in most cases you do want one. So if you don't have xserver-xorg installed, you need it installed (installing x-window-system-core should do that). |
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| 15:35.50 | xxl3w | yea |
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| 15:36.30 | Rockj | I'am looking for some help about resizing my ext3 partition ( /dev/sda1 [sda only have one partition, which is the one I want to resize] ) . I thought of using parted but it says my filesystem is incompitable. :( |
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| 15:37.27 | karsten | Rockj: An alternative is to back up, repartition, and restore. I generally recommend that. |
| 15:37.48 | karsten | Rockj: Live repartitioning is inherently dangerous, and you should back up your work. |
| 15:37.55 | Rockj | karsten: would be abit pain todo that each time I migrate in two new disks into my hardware controller. |
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| 15:38.17 | Rockj | karsten: most of it is backed up, but I dont have space to backup whole array. |
| 15:38.22 | karsten | Rockj: It would be a pain to lose your data. |
| 15:38.30 | karsten | Rockj: Not my problem. |
| 15:38.51 | Rockj | True. But why would parted say: "Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled. |
| 15:39.12 | karsten | FIIK. RTFM. |
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| 15:40.05 | bwlang | do i need to forward udp for telnet? |
| 15:40.06 | reMont | hi, i need mount a raid disk, how to in debian sarge, any idea |
| 15:40.15 | karsten | bwlang: No. |
| 15:40.29 | praxisia | i have a problem updating testing / experimental apt-sources, "the package lists or status file couldn't be parsed or opened", i tried apt-get clean and removed the files from the /var/lib/apt/lists manually ... what could be causing the problem? |
| 15:40.46 | bwlang | reMont: you'll want to have a look at mdadm (assuming you're not talking about a windows softwar raid - which i think is impossible to see) |
| 15:40.55 | bwlang | karsten: thanks |
| 15:42.20 | reMont | bwlang: is not a windows software raid |
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| 15:42.33 | mcbane | hi |
| 15:44.06 | mcbane | I have problems configuring the sendmail daemon. Do I have to tell sendmail which users are allowed to send mails, or are by default all local users able to use sendmail? I get the following error message if i try to use sendmail with root: |
| 15:44.07 | mcbane | SMTPAuthenticationError |
| 15:44.07 | mcbane | (535, '5.7.0 authentication failed') |
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| 15:45.27 | ekimus | mcbane: any specific reason to use that beast? |
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| 15:47.55 | karsten | mcbane: Why are you using sendmail? |
| 15:48.02 | mcbane | ekimus: I would use any mail daemon. The simpler the better. Do you know a better one? |
| 15:48.04 | karsten | mcbane: I'd strongly recommend either exim4 or postfix. |
| 15:48.21 | mcbane | ok, I install exim4 |
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| 15:52.00 | Rockj | karsten: isn't this supposed to remove the option resize_inodes? "tune2fs -O^resize_inodes /dev/sda1" |
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| 15:52.53 | Rockj | tried bot resize_inode and resize_inodes in the option field. Worked with dir_index. |
| 15:52.53 | Rockj | s/bot/both/g |
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| 15:53.58 | karsten | Rockj: Well, I could read the manpage back to you ... |
| 15:54.03 | karsten | Rockj: ... or you could read it yourself. |
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| 15:59.58 | mcbane | ekimus karsten: Do I have to edit the /etc/exim4/conf.d/auth/00_exim4-config_header to add auth support? |
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| 16:03.43 | Rockj | karsten: I couldn't find anything mention resize_inode in tune2fs man page. Ill look more later, company presentation now in half a hour so gotto go for now. |
| 16:04.14 | karsten | Rockj: OK. Tuning FS performance isn't something I'm fully up to date on, you may need to research. |
| 16:04.55 | Rockj | Ill look it more up later, seems like I have to disable that thing to use parted. I'm off now. later. |
| 16:05.13 | karsten | mcbane: That would look like the right place. There's extensive exim4 docs, and IIRC a config tool that will prompt your for setup. |
| 16:05.17 | streuner | Guerin: do you have any contact in corea and there local Debian people? |
| 16:05.24 | karsten | mcbane: 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4' would be a good place to start. |
| 16:05.28 | karsten | streuner: korea. |
| 16:05.41 | streuner | karsten: yes |
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| 16:10.17 | raf256 | Debian fails yet another user |
| 16:10.30 | raf256 | my friend just installed a debian. after install it fails with grub error 15 |
| 16:10.35 | raf256 | what can it be |
| 16:10.56 | RichiH | me assumes pebkac ;) |
| 16:10.56 | streuner | install lilo and i can help |
| 16:11.16 | raf256 | RichiH: hmm he is not experienced, yet there was rather little room for error |
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| 16:11.31 | RichiH | raf256: i assumes his device.map is wrong |
| 16:11.31 | raf256 | partitions order is: /boot 0.1 gb then swap then /var and so on, then / |
| 16:11.37 | raf256 | 200 gb hd |
| 16:11.55 | raf256 | are there any limits? like say / must be below 128 gb or something |
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| 16:12.09 | raf256 | RichiH: how to fix |
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| 16:12.18 | raf256 | RichiH: net install cd have a rescue mode? |
| 16:12.25 | RichiH | raf256: look at the file and his partitions |
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| 16:12.34 | RichiH | raf256: a very basic one, yes |
| 16:12.42 | RichiH | he needs to chroot though |
| 16:12.46 | raf256 | what can I tell him |
| 16:12.49 | raf256 | he is on the phone |
| 16:12.52 | raf256 | not very experienced |
| 16:13.07 | raf256 | "debian sucks - go reinstall windows?" :-/ |
| 16:13.12 | RichiH | mount /dev/FOO /mnt/FOO |
| 16:13.20 | raf256 | and? |
| 16:13.21 | RichiH | mount /dev/bar /mnt/FOO/boot |
| 16:13.22 | raf256 | how to get to that |
| 16:13.23 | RichiH | mount -o bind /dev /mnt/FOO/dev |
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| 16:13.32 | RichiH | chroot /mnt/FOO |
| 16:13.36 | RichiH | mount -t proc none /proc |
| 16:13.46 | RichiH | grub-install /dev/FOO |
| 16:13.58 | RichiH | that should get him running. if not, look at the device.map |
| 16:14.11 | RichiH | phone is not a plus in this case |
| 16:14.30 | RichiH | raf256: if he did a fresh install, tell him to go get kubuntu and install that instead |
| 16:14.40 | RichiH | debian is not a beginner's distro. ubuntu is |
| 16:14.43 | streuner | Isn't he able to use an irc-client and just visit us? |
| 16:15.03 | RichiH | streuner: with only the net install cd to boot linux from, he probably is not |
| 16:15.31 | streuner | RichiH: do you think really he could use ubuntu without chroot that bitch? ;-) |
| 16:15.35 | RichiH | or grml for the technical minded |
| 16:15.52 | RichiH | streuner: i hope ubuntu would just work for him |
| 16:16.03 | raf256 | damn |
| 16:16.08 | RichiH | though their installer is way less stable when it hits strange hardware |
| 16:16.09 | raf256 | RichiH: but why debian failed to install |
| 16:16.13 | RichiH | indian pcs, for example |
| 16:16.14 | streuner | RichiH: Debian does too ;-) |
| 16:16.44 | RichiH | raf256: thousands of reasons, but with you to relay stuff via irc and phone and him not very experienced, i doubt it is worth the effort to find out |
| 16:16.45 | streuner | RichiH: and you are OT, btw. |
| 16:16.53 | RichiH | raf256: he really should just use kubuntu |
| 16:16.59 | raf256 | RichiH: hmm |
| 16:17.06 | raf256 | wouldnt kubuntu fail with same problem |
| 16:17.06 | streuner | !shoot RichiH |
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| 16:17.18 | RichiH | streuner: true, but it does help neither the user nor this channel if he sticks to debian |
| 16:17.23 | norbert_ | !kill norbert_ |
| 16:17.43 | RichiH | streuner: lesser evil and pragmatism, you know ;) |
| 16:17.44 | norbert_ | !love dpkg |
| 16:17.44 | streuner | RichiH: help to install Debian or just help somewhere else. |
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| 16:18.07 | RichiH | streuner: read up and tell me where i helped install anything else |
| 16:18.21 | RichiH | streuner: and giving people good advice can involve the k and u words |
| 16:18.30 | streuner | not here |
| 16:19.13 | RichiH | streuner: if you are not just pulling my leg, complain to dondelelcaro about it |
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| 16:19.19 | juice` | someone told me to look for a one-liner :| what's that? |
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| 16:19.53 | streuner | raf256: can't he just come to us in IRC? |
| 16:20.09 | RichiH | juice`: regarding what? |
| 16:20.14 | raf256 | brb |
| 16:20.14 | juice` | fglrx one-liner |
| 16:20.22 | raf256 | streuner: on other phne |
| 16:20.24 | raf256 | phone |
| 16:20.36 | RichiH | !tell juice` about fglrx |
| 16:20.47 | juice` | yes, that's the thing i got |
| 16:20.51 | RichiH | !tell juice` about fglrx one-liner |
| 16:21.01 | norbert_ | question: how to unzip multipart zip's? the documentation says cat them and then run zip -F, but that doesn't seem to work at all |
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| 16:21.03 | streuner | raf256: he needs to know about 'chroot' in any case, so its just a good start to learn a basic lesson... |
| 16:21.24 | RichiH | norbert_: unzip whatever.* |
| 16:21.36 | norbert_ | RichiH: that's not working with multipart zip's |
| 16:21.36 | juice` | thanks |
| 16:21.39 | RichiH | norbert_: it will grab, sort and unpack on its own |
| 16:21.45 | norbert_ | nope |
| 16:21.47 | RichiH | norbert_: does for me |
| 16:21.52 | RichiH | juice`: np |
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| 16:22.00 | norbert_ | got 5.52 here, with Debian testing |
| 16:22.09 | raf256 | streuner: he can't boot |
| 16:22.36 | streuner | raf256: well, he just should use a LIVE CD, grml or knoppix are good ones |
| 16:23.10 | raf256 | streuner: he doenst have it, not a bootable computer nor time do get it now |
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| 16:23.15 | raf256 | *nor |
| 16:23.16 | norbert_ | and that version says in the "BUGS" section in the man page: Multi-part archives are not yet supported, except in conjunction with zip. (All parts must be concatenated together in order, and then ``zip -F'' must be performed on the concatenated archive in order to ``fix'' it.) This will definitely be corrected in the next major release. |
| 16:23.31 | norbert_ | RichiH: what does unzip --version give for you? |
| 16:24.31 | streuner | raf256: 'rescue-Mode', mkdir /debian; mount /dev/<whatever>/ /debian, chroot /debian |
| 16:24.47 | raf256 | streuner: hmm well ok.. he finished for now, will try other time |
| 16:25.01 | raf256 | thanks for help ayway |
| 16:25.04 | streuner | np |
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| 16:25.23 | RichiH | norbert_: UnZip 5.52 of 28 February 2005, by Debian. Original by Info-ZIP. |
| 16:25.30 | streuner | raf256: feel free to ask about d-i's in #debian-boot (OFTC) as well |
| 16:25.40 | melkart | i cant get sound running at all. what is the most fool-proof method to make just *any* sound? |
| 16:25.53 | streuner | melkart: using 2.6.x kernel and ALSA |
| 16:25.54 | norbert_ | RichiH: that's the same, the man page will tell you multipart zip's are not supported (under BUGS) |
| 16:26.11 | melkart | streuner: yes,i am doing that |
| 16:26.20 | melkart | streuner: which command should i run? |
| 16:26.21 | streuner | melkart: just run 'alsaconf' as root |
| 16:26.23 | norbert_ | also, 28 February 2005, that's 2 years ago |
| 16:27.25 | cahoot | melkart: sarge or etch? |
| 16:27.25 | streuner | melkart: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 16:27.25 | melkart | cahoot: etch |
| 16:27.28 | RichiH | norbert_: hmm, you are right. it tells you the fix too, though :) |
| 16:27.50 | norbert_ | RichiH: nope... norbert_> question: how to unzip multipart zip's? the documentation says cat them and then run zip -F, but that doesn't seem to work at all |
| 16:28.01 | RichiH | norbert_: oh, sorry |
| 16:28.04 | norbert_ | np |
| 16:28.06 | cahoot | melkart: in that case installing alsa-utils and running dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base *should* fix sound |
| 16:28.20 | RichiH | norbert_: no idea, then :/ |
| 16:29.39 | melkart | i ran dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and alsaconf before and did as asked |
| 16:29.51 | cahoot | melkart: of course provided your soundcard issupported by alsa - hda-intel devices can be troublesome |
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| 16:30.12 | melkart | sound works now! thanks a lot! |
| 16:30.18 | melkart | i wonder why it didnt work before ... |
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| 16:32.51 | norbert_ | RichiH: I'll use pkunzip under dosbox |
| 16:33.24 | RichiH | :) |
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| 16:36.36 | b52lap | guys i need space in my /opt , but i have a full hard disk , and is there a possibilty to install lvm now , who wil manage this stuff ? |
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| 16:38.02 | norbert_ | b52lap: you could move dirs in opt to another partition and create a symbolic link, I've done this (with a similar problem) and it works fine |
| 16:38.39 | b52lap | norbert_, the /opt is empty ... his size is 3Gb and i need to have 5GB on the /opt |
| 16:38.40 | b52lap | :d |
| 16:38.59 | elshaa | I have users in an ldap. Is that possible to easily get the canonical name of a user ? (I use nss_ldap) |
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| 16:39.22 | norbert_ | b52lap: so... do you have 5GB elsewhere on the HD? |
| 16:39.36 | b52lap | norbert_, yeah |
| 16:39.50 | norbert_ | then remove /opt and create a symbolic link |
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| 16:39.59 | b52lap | hm |
| 16:40.11 | b52lap | norbert_, do you have a pointer that show how ? |
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| 16:40.59 | norbert_ | ren:/# rm -rf /opt |
| 16:40.59 | norbert_ | ren:/# mkdir /home/opt |
| 16:40.59 | norbert_ | ren:/# ln -s /home/opt/ /opt |
| 16:41.08 | norbert_ | (for example) |
| 16:42.37 | b52lap | norbert_, thanks a lot |
| 16:42.37 | norbert_ | np |
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| 16:45.06 | b52lap | rm -fr /opt/ |
| 16:45.06 | b52lap | rm: ne peut d�truire le r�pertoire `/opt/': P�riph�rique ou ressource occup |
| 16:45.17 | b52lap | hm he say the preripherique is busy ! :( |
| 16:45.32 | nikkelitous | I've got a problem. I apt-get installed myphpmoney but now I can' |
| 16:45.37 | nikkelitous | t get it to uninstall |
| 16:45.49 | nikkelitous | apt-get remove freezes after restarting apache. |
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| 16:48.12 | adj | i have libnss-ldap installed at release 238-1 from sarge repos. can i udate this package to a higher version without creating a myriad of conflicts? 238-1 is the latest version in sarge repos, btw |
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| 16:48.39 | d0uglas | Hi. About how many megs a minute with xvid compression would vga-like res video at maybe 25 to 30 frames/sec take? ... mono low bit rate sound.. |
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| 16:49.00 | d0uglas | total ballpark |
| 16:49.08 | Guerin | !htfswk d0uglas |
| 16:49.08 | dpkg | d0uglas: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 16:49.28 | teclo- | Hello, just did a fresh install of etch, and the default fonts in Iceweasel are very small.... also the default fonts in the tabs in xchat are too small too... How can I fix that ? I have two other machines with the same configuration, and they do not have this problme. I've installed plenty of xfonts-* packages and msttcorefonts, it doesnt help... any idea ? |
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| 16:49.38 | nikkelitous | d0uglas: Still way too many variables. |
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| 16:50.01 | nikkelitous | d0uglas: Bit rate is a big one, also how much motion the video has. |
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| 16:50.36 | Guerin | and then there's the question of cpu |
| 16:51.00 | nikkelitous | d0uglas: You could get anywhere from a few hundred k per minute to several megabytes. All nearly impossible to guess, best way to find out is to try. |
| 16:51.14 | nikkelitous | Make sure you have extra space and go for it. |
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| 16:51.57 | patx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:52.20 | Guerin | patx: reinstall. |
| 16:52.36 | streuner | patx: and show us the full error in paster bot |
| 16:52.45 | adj | patx: strace the process to see whats failing |
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| 16:52.52 | eidolon | hi folks - anyone noticed that recent Sarge builds have broken something in start-stop-daemon when it comes to the Jabber 1.4.2 server? I'm getting <Failed> on the startup, with no real reason for it hapepning. seeing it on a few sites. |
| 16:52.58 | streuner | Guerin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/03/msg00072.html |
| 16:53.21 | Guerin | eidolon: there are no recent sarge builds |
| 16:53.27 | eidolon | or perhaps an update to the scripts. |
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| 16:53.49 | eidolon | i recently rebooted this machine (about 6 weeks ago), and the startups had no problems. now jabber is failing to start with no error code and no debugging. it just flat fails. |
| 16:53.49 | melkart | i seem not to have apt-setup. which package does include it? |
| 16:54.46 | streuner | !find apt-setup |
| 16:54.53 | streuner | melkart: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 16:54.54 | eidolon | either that or something is wrong in my jabber and it's failing out for no reason. but if i start jabberd from the command line, it starts correctly. |
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| 16:55.04 | nikkelitous | Does anyone know of any way to just remove a package from the apt-get database? I can manually uninstall it if I can get it out of the database. |
| 16:55.13 | Edward_TLS | if a cat /proc/<pid>/status and the line threads reads 1322 this means this process has 1322 threads right.. ? |
| 16:55.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-setup' (3): (/usr/share/fish/completions/apt-setup.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/share/debian-cd/data/woody/apt-setup.html.in, /usr/share/debian-cd/data/potato/apt-setup.html.in) in admin/debian-cd ;; (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/apt-setup.html, /usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/bilder/instweiter/apt-setup.png) in non-free/doc/dahb-html. |
| 16:55.24 | streuner | melkart: its only in sarge/stable anymore... |
| 16:55.38 | b52lap | norbert_, it didn't affect the size |
| 16:55.40 | b52lap | ? |
| 16:55.42 | b52lap | hmm |
| 16:55.50 | melkart | i have etch... i want it for automatically setting my etc(apt/sources.list for me |
| 16:55.59 | melkart | is there an alternative way for doing it? |
| 16:56.03 | streuner | nikkelitous: with a *dirty* hack ;-) |
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| 16:56.31 | streuner | nikkelitous: mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/<some-package> /tmp |
| 16:56.54 | melkart | i have libc-2.3.6.dsl13 |
| 16:56.57 | php-me | If htdocs/phpinfo.php works properly, but a php file in an htdocs subdirectory doesn't (it wants to be downloaded), what is missing in my httpd.conf? |
| 16:57.07 | streuner | melkart: well, apt-setup isn't in etch/testing |
| 16:57.13 | nikkelitous | streuner: Thanks, I think that the package is corrupted, wont uninstall automatically. |
| 16:57.18 | streuner | np |
| 16:58.07 | adj | how can i update a package beyond the version in sarge repos? |
| 16:58.19 | streuner | adj: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:58.25 | streuner | adj: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:59.10 | spyroboy | poke |
| 16:59.34 | spyroboy | dark, boo. Sweetgirl, huh? |
| 17:00.01 | streuner | Guerin: do you think 'tolimar' has any luck? |
| 17:00.14 | dark | spyroboy : yep, what the fuck? |
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| 17:00.30 | spyroboy | dark, wtf, what? |
| 17:00.38 | dark | nothing |
| 17:00.42 | spyroboy | coo. |
| 17:00.46 | dark | i don't know what do u want |
| 17:00.51 | spyroboy | nothing |
| 17:00.55 | dark | i don't care |
| 17:00.57 | adj | streuner: yeah. im using backports... libnss-ldap isnt in there =/ |
| 17:00.57 | dark | for the think you do |
| 17:01.05 | spyroboy | I don't do anything lol |
| 17:01.32 | dark | haha |
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| 17:01.42 | dark | spyroboy : shut up =) |
| 17:01.47 | streuner | adj: well, try a 'simple sid backport' then |
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| 17:01.50 | stew | spyroboy: dark: can you guys take this elsewhere or drop it? |
| 17:01.52 | spyroboy | I'm just one of these nerds on IRC that say, "holy shiat, it's a woman!", dark |
| 17:01.53 | simplet | Umm, I just found a dir called /var/var. The files in there haven't been touched since 2005, acc. to timestamps. Anybody know what gives? |
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| 17:02.00 | spyroboy | aight. |
| 17:02.02 | streuner | adj: if you have problems feel free to join there channel |
| 17:02.07 | dark | stew : don't know, don't care=) |
| 17:02.07 | xand | spyroboy, dark... get a room :P |
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| 17:02.12 | simplet | They're very similar to the actual /var |
| 17:02.19 | nikkelitous | streuner: Thanks, worked like a charm |
| 17:02.26 | spyroboy | hehe. |
| 17:02.33 | streuner | nikkelitous: np |
| 17:02.37 | xand | simplet: a "mv"/"cp" error? |
| 17:02.41 | dark | spyroboy : where you from? |
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| 17:03.02 | spyroboy | dark, uh.. maybe this might be the wrong channel, want to go to PM or something? |
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| 17:03.10 | simplet | xand: none that I remember, but then again it's been 2 years |
| 17:03.22 | dark | spyroboy : tell me |
| 17:03.22 | spyroboy | after all, this is a debian-oriented channel rather than social networking. |
| 17:03.26 | spyroboy | dark, canada. |
| 17:03.28 | dark | where you from |
| 17:03.33 | simplet | xand: So it's not supposed to be there, I take it. |
| 17:03.35 | dark | hah |
| 17:03.37 | spyroboy | dark, hamilto ontario |
| 17:03.50 | dark | spyroboy : i am from Bulgaria |
| 17:03.52 | dark | petrich=0 |
| 17:04.06 | spyroboy | dark, hehe. Precisely my point. :) |
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| 17:04.21 | dark | nice |
| 17:04.21 | wishkah | xorg loses key press events since I upgraded when under load (debian, most recent etch package). what can I do? |
| 17:04.27 | xand | simplet: I very much doubt it |
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| 17:04.32 | suppaman | hello |
| 17:04.34 | dark | spyroboy : come to room? |
| 17:04.50 | spyroboy | dark, which one? |
| 17:04.50 | Remorse_ | hi |
| 17:04.50 | maelvino | Hi |
| 17:04.53 | ekimus | wishkah: hit the keyboard less often? :) |
| 17:05.09 | spyroboy | dark, join up in #tuxhacker, it's a fun place. |
| 17:05.10 | dark | spyroboy : chit-chat=) |
| 17:05.20 | wishkah | ekimus: well, that's not an option :) |
| 17:05.21 | simplet | xand: Thanks, just making sure. It actually has 2 GB in apt cached debs in it, that's what attracted my attention. |
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| 17:05.59 | xand | simplet: mv it don't rm it, just in case ;) |
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| 17:06.39 | suppaman | xand: that's a lesson that I learnt in the hard way |
| 17:06.40 | simplet | xand: Yeah, I was thinking about it too. Although `apt clean` seems to work in the regular /var/cache, where it's supposed to. |
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| 17:06.53 | suppaman | xand: and it took several times... |
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| 17:07.02 | xand | ha |
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| 17:09.52 | [abhishek] | how to change virtual console resolution? |
| 17:10.59 | raf256 | are debian developers of translations mentally handicaped? |
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| 17:11.07 | raf256 | who the hell translates things like SWAP ?! |
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| 17:11.38 | zoldar | hello, is there apparmor for debian ? |
| 17:11.56 | stew | raf256: smart people that volunteer lots of their spare time for little reward translate things like swap |
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| 17:12.26 | Ronin | heh raise your hand if you didnt see that coming? |
| 17:12.41 | [abhishek] | how to change virtual console resolution? |
| 17:13.04 | zoldar | msg dpkg 3.1r5 |
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| 17:13.33 | canard | hi ... anybody can sent me him /var on debian sid please ..? i deleted my :( |
| 17:14.16 | stew | !lost var |
| 17:14.17 | dpkg | from memory, lost var is so you nuked /var? never fear, 'tis but a flesh wound! See http://linux.sys-con.com/read/32607.htm?CFID=133431 |
| 17:14.17 | adj | canard: just reload from your backups ;) |
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| 17:14.34 | streuner | canard: or reinstall |
| 17:14.39 | canard | reinstall :/ |
| 17:14.47 | [abhishek] | !change virtual console resolution |
| 17:14.49 | dpkg | that doesn't look right |
| 17:15.01 | [abhishek] | !how to change virtual console resolution? |
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| 17:15.16 | streuner | [abhishek]: /msg dpkg <foo> |
| 17:15.45 | [abhishek] | streuner: ok.. thanks |
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| 17:16.03 | streuner | "virtual console resolution"? |
| 17:16.26 | stew | [abhishek]: go to a console, run "hwinfo --framebuffer" pick a mode ; edit /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst ; change the line that says "# kopt=root=/...." and add "vga=0x305" to the end of that line (substitude 0x305 with whatever mode you picked from the list), then run "update-grub" |
| 17:16.28 | abrotman | stew: make it permanent! |
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| 17:17.04 | yos872 | I want to ask question, Does IBM T42P support Debian like the T42 box? |
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| 17:18.00 | streuner | yos872: did you check out linux-laptop.net yet? |
| 17:18.22 | streuner | !laptop |
| 17:18.22 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 17:18.41 | [abhishek] | stew: thanks... i will certainly try it out |
| 17:19.54 | Nwallins | What is a clean, elegant way of keeping an ssh connection alive for the purposes of RemoteForward? I have tried `nohup ssh remote_host 'ping localhost -i 30'`, but the connection broke overnight, on ping # 930 or so. (.ssh/config has the appropriate RemoteForward statement for remote_host) The firewall will close the connection if it is not kept alive. |
| 17:20.04 | ekimus | is there something top like for disk io? |
| 17:20.19 | bzed | Nwallins: ssh keeps it connection alive by it's own |
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| 17:20.38 | Nwallins | bzed: I am not sure this is the case with our firewall |
| 17:20.39 | yos872 | streuner: they don't say if it work fine or not, I already check it |
| 17:20.41 | jjazz | Nwallins: there's a setting in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
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| 17:21.05 | Nwallins | bzed: I think I need active, shell-level traffic to keep it alive |
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| 17:21.18 | Nwallins | jjazz: checking.. thanks |
| 17:21.31 | jjazz | Nwallins: Or maybe it's sshd_config |
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| 17:21.52 | bzed | Nwallins: you firewall shouldn;t be able to inspect the traffic going trough ssh. to all it should need is any tcp traffic, which should ssh do anyway to keep it's connection running |
| 17:21.54 | Esaj | is it possible to boot into a chroot environment? |
| 17:22.22 | streuner | yos872: there are a number of guys which installed Debian on this kind of laptop just fine, so its working... |
| 17:22.45 | Nwallins | bzed: that is true -- however, something in my environment closes 'inactive' sessions -- there is a chance it is my sshd on the remote end, I suppose |
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| 17:23.10 | bzed | Nwallins: is one of both ends on dialup or so? |
| 17:23.11 | yos872 | streuner: ah, I see , Thank you |
| 17:23.16 | justin | Nwallins: ssh/sshd have options for keepalives |
| 17:23.22 | Nwallins | bzed: no |
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| 17:23.26 | yos872 | streuner: Because I'm looking to buy it |
| 17:23.36 | streuner | yos872: i.e. http://modular.fas.harvard.edu/t42/ |
| 17:24.11 | Nwallins | bzed: T1 from the office, behind corp firewall. cable modem from remotehost. I ssh from office to remotehost to set up RemoteForward so I can get to office from remotehost |
| 17:24.29 | Blastur | where can i find a plugin for make-jpkg that can handle jdk-6-linux-i586.bin (or any recent SUN jdk? |
| 17:24.32 | Ein | i just tried to upgrade my firewall to etch, but i it looks like there are no K6 kernels anymore |
| 17:24.46 | bzed | Nwallins: sure that you cable moden connection doesn;t get disconnected once in 24h? |
| 17:24.52 | Ein | or 386 kernels for that matter, have they been deprecated? |
| 17:24.56 | streuner | they weren't there before, just use k7 |
| 17:25.01 | Nwallins | bzed: no, not sure. IP has been static for over a weekj |
| 17:25.12 | yos872 | streuner: I saw it, thank you |
| 17:25.16 | streuner | k7 is backwards-compatible |
| 17:25.21 | streuner | np |
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| 17:25.31 | Ein | streuner: thanks, i'll try it |
| 17:25.47 | bzed | Nwallins: try the keepalive, but if the disconnection always happens at the same time, I'd screw the ISP |
| 17:26.11 | Nwallins | bzed: yeah, not really an option. what about a way to re-establish the cnx automatically when it is broken? |
| 17:26.22 | jjazz | Nwallins: It might be the router. Routers sometimes close connections if there are no packets. You need the ClientKeepAlive option or something like it. |
| 17:26.56 | jjazz | ClientAliveInterval, rather |
| 17:27.00 | Nwallins | jjazz: that might be it. however, I was `ping localhost -i 30` on remotehost. the text from ping should have been travelling back to my office machine, keeping the cnx alive |
| 17:27.03 | wad | I did "apt-get update" and I get this message: Failed to fetch http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/debian/dists/etch/main/source/Sources.gz 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable [IP: 128.105.103.11 80] |
| 17:27.11 | wad | Should I switch to a different mirror? |
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| 17:27.27 | Nwallins | jjazz: in other words, from office, `ssh remotehost 'ping localhost -i 30'` |
| 17:27.47 | bzed | Nwallins: while true; do ssh .....; done ? |
| 17:28.03 | jjazz | Nwallins: yeah I would think that would keep it open. |
| 17:28.04 | bzed | wad: wither that or wait |
| 17:28.15 | bzed | *either |
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| 17:28.24 | wad | bzed: By the way, my software RAID is working AWESOME! Thanks for the help last night! |
| 17:28.37 | Nwallins | bzed: I suppose... if I supply a command to ssh, like I showed with 'ping localhost -i 30', then the command should only return once it's broken, right? |
| 17:28.46 | Nwallins | it = the cn x |
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| 17:28.50 | Nwallins | er, the connection |
| 17:29.10 | bzed | Nwallins: ssh will return if the conn is broken |
| 17:29.34 | bzed | Nwallins: no need to run any special command inside, a shell will be enough. but ssh take a long time to timeout |
| 17:29.36 | bzed | ususally |
| 17:29.36 | Nwallins | ok, that sounds good. could eat the cpu if there is real problem though |
| 17:29.48 | justin | Nwallins: no, you'd need to do something like while ping -c 2 localhost -i 30;do;done |
| 17:29.49 | bzed | add a sleep 5 |
| 17:30.18 | justin | Nwallins: er, though localhost will never not reply, so that won't work :-) |
| 17:30.19 | bzed | justin: nah, not localhost. that will always work :P |
| 17:30.25 | Nwallins | justin: yeah |
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| 17:30.38 | justin | yeah, I do that all the time, just for non-local hosts:) |
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| 17:32.38 | Nwallins | bzed: ok, with RemoteForward specified in ~/.ssh/config, I should be able to just: while true; do shh remotehost; sleep 5; done is there a way to have that run such that it's not tied to a particular login/shell session ? |
| 17:32.51 | Nwallins | bzed: perhaps with nohup? |
| 17:32.58 | justin | autossh - Automatically restart SSH sessions and tunnels |
| 17:33.02 | justin | Nwallins: use that maybe? |
| 17:33.11 | bzed | yeah good idea justin |
| 17:33.15 | punker12 | hi |
| 17:33.33 | punker12 | kan jeman mir helfen bei einem debian problem |
| 17:33.46 | streuner | punker12: ask in english |
| 17:33.49 | bzed | punker12: bitte kein deutsch hier, english only |
| 17:34.04 | punker12 | ich kan nur deutsch |
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| 17:34.11 | Nwallins | justin: checking, thanks |
| 17:34.16 | bzed | punker12: #debian-de |
| 17:34.20 | streuner | !de |
| 17:34.20 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 17:34.35 | punker12 | danke |
| 17:34.42 | bzed | np |
| 17:36.24 | suppaman | Hilfe is help |
| 17:36.25 | cusco | hello...! |
| 17:36.25 | suppaman | deutschsprachige is german-speaking |
| 17:36.26 | suppaman | wow my deutsch is great! |
| 17:36.26 | suppaman | I'm off for a pizza |
| 17:36.26 | zamuro | !de |
| 17:36.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 17:36.28 | Knight_Lord | Are there any debian rescue disks? |
| 17:36.38 | Knight_Lord | My file server with 3ware raid 5 9550 doesn't boot |
| 17:37.38 | suppaman | Knight_Lord: what's a debian rescue ? |
| 17:37.41 | cusco | I'm on ubuntu right now... I have got a new hp box... the etch rc1 netinstaller doesn't configure my built-in motherboard network card propperly |
| 17:37.47 | Knight_Lord | A debian rescue disk |
| 17:37.51 | cusco | by the way ubuntu loads a different module |
| 17:37.54 | Nwallins | getting this error with apt-get, regarding bug reports: |
| 17:37.55 | Nwallins | W: unsupported proxy `false' |
| 17:37.55 | Nwallins | Error retrieving bug reports |
| 17:37.55 | Nwallins | Retry downloading bug information?[Y/n]? |
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| 17:37.56 | Ronin | Knight_Lord: that does what? |
| 17:37.57 | Knight_Lord | That boots from the disk and has drivers |
| 17:38.03 | Knight_Lord | for the CDs |
| 17:38.04 | suppaman | I think you can use one of the zillion live distro, can't you ? |
| 17:38.08 | dkr | cusco: you could try the daily build of etch installer, it has newer kernel with more hardware support |
| 17:38.09 | Knight_Lord | and contains things like lilo or grub |
| 17:38.10 | zamuro | LOL pwnd |
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| 17:38.17 | cusco | on the debian installer it loads the module eth1394 (I think) |
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| 17:38.22 | Ronin | Knight_Lord: iirc disk one does that |
| 17:38.23 | suppaman | Knight_Lord: get a desktop *buntu |
| 17:38.33 | Ronin | or that |
| 17:38.37 | cusco | hmm... the thing is ... I've got no cd's at the moment |
| 17:38.43 | cusco | is there a way to do without? |
| 17:38.47 | Knight_Lord | Ronin from netinst i only get install options |
| 17:38.54 | Knight_Lord | Ronin I'm not sure about the full disk |
| 17:39.02 | Ronin | no not netinst, a proper copy of disk 1 |
| 17:39.21 | Knight_Lord | I can't use the one from sarge because it doesn't support the controller |
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| 17:39.39 | Knight_Lord | But I guess I can try using one from etch |
| 17:39.41 | cusco | like.. I was able to mount yesterdays build from a ntfs filesystem while on the etch rc1 installer |
| 17:39.43 | Ronin | there's also suppamans suggestion |
| 17:39.51 | cusco | but I couldn't do anything from there |
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| 17:40.06 | Knight_Lord | suppaman do you know what kernel ubuntu uses? |
| 17:40.16 | Knight_Lord | suppaman so i guess you mean some live ubuntu cd |
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| 17:41.03 | cusco | Knight_Lord: yes.. the ubuntu desktop now installs from the live cd |
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| 17:42.12 | Nwallins | how can I run autossh such that when I log out of the session from which I ran it, it will stay running? |
| 17:42.33 | Nwallins | nohup? |
| 17:42.41 | cusco | I think so yea |
| 17:42.42 | Nwallins | I'll try that |
| 17:42.53 | cusco | or make the command run on the backgroundwith a & aftaerwards |
| 17:42.56 | cusco | or use a screen session |
| 17:43.03 | Nwallins | ok, I wasn't sure about & |
| 17:43.12 | cusco | Im not sure about autossh |
| 17:43.13 | cusco | :p |
| 17:43.21 | punker12 | kan jeman sagen was diese meldug heist auf deutsch |
| 17:43.26 | Nwallins | heh, autossh just manages the ssh connection |
| 17:43.28 | punker12 | driver/usb/input/hid-core.C: control queue full |
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| 17:44.37 | Ronin | isnt that wehre we are? |
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| 17:44.58 | punker12 | so habe gemacht |
| 17:45.01 | cusco | hello punker12 welcome to #debian |
| 17:45.12 | cusco | what language is that? german? |
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| 17:45.30 | Ronin | punker12: you're all ready in #debian-offtopic |
| 17:45.33 | Ronin | doh |
| 17:45.51 | cusco | punker12: probably a / before the join will do the trick |
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| 17:46.59 | Nwallins | cusco: when I do `autossh remotehost &`, and then `exit`, the autssh job is stopped |
| 17:47.58 | cusco | Nwallins: sorry didn't know |
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| 17:47.58 | cusco | a screen session will work for sure |
| 17:48.07 | cusco | screen autossh remotehost |
| 17:48.19 | Nwallins | cusco: trying, thanks |
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| 17:48.41 | John91 | Earn ALOT of money online!! http://www.cashcrate.com/index.php?ref=3015 |
| 17:48.42 | John91 | Earn ALOT of money online!! http://www.cashcrate.com/index.php?ref=3015 |
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| 17:48.59 | cusco | kill kill kill |
| 17:49.05 | abrotman | must .. click .. link |
| 17:49.17 | Ronin | do it, you know you want too |
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| 17:49.19 | cusco | lol |
| 17:49.27 | scv | and make lots of money just only for housewives? |
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| 17:49.54 | scv | :S |
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| 17:51.38 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 17:52.03 | nikin | hy |
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| 17:52.54 | dury | I'm trying to boot debian in a powerpc G3 but it's impossible.... :( |
| 17:52.59 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 17:52.59 | dpkg | i heard ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 17:53.15 | _JP | how do i make "dpkg -i <somepackage>.deb" to install all the dependencies? |
| 17:53.33 | stew | _JP: dpkg -i foo.deb && apt-get -f install |
| 17:53.33 | Nwallins | is there a way to fork and die with bash, leaving the child portion of the script under init? |
| 17:54.14 | nikin | i have found an old IBM 760XD, and i ame planning to install linux on it... Ubuntu came in mind.. but i had to drop that idea coz of the 40MB RAM and the 400MB HDD, so next thing i thought was debian.. but again a problem.. this computer cant boot from CD... so what should i do? |
| 17:54.37 | stew | nikin: what can it boot from? |
| 17:54.55 | nikin | stew: floppy.. but i dont have a floppy drive for it :( |
| 17:55.04 | stew | !rube goldberg install |
| 17:55.04 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 17:55.21 | _JP | stew: should i force dpkg installation? i'm still getting "dependency problems prevent configuration of foo" |
| 17:55.25 | stew | nikin: is it currently running linux? |
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| 17:55.42 | stew | _JP: that's fine, its installed but not configured, it will get configured when you run "apt-get -f install" |
| 17:56.12 | stew | oh which means && was probably the wrong way to join those commands... ; would have been better |
| 17:56.28 | nikin | stew: it is running 98 now... wich was installed using an other computer... then putted the hdd in the new one |
| 17:56.56 | stew | nikin: you can do the same with debian |
| 17:57.06 | _JP | stew: ok, thanks |
| 17:57.25 | suppaman | Knight_Lord: yes |
| 17:57.28 | suppaman | sorry I'm afk |
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| 17:57.46 | Polluxx | hi |
| 17:57.56 | nikin | stew: i never ran debian... so i can do the same.. the next thing is how to tune it.. to as small as posible |
| 17:58.02 | Polluxx | I have set up an etch server 1 month ago |
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| 17:58.18 | Polluxx | now I have heard etch will become stable on April |
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| 17:58.31 | nikin | the HDD is 400MB, and i have a 6,4 here but that is not supported... (to big :() |
| 17:58.45 | stew | nikin: oh hmm, only a 400mb hd? that's going to be very tight, especially if you were planning on running X |
| 17:58.48 | Ein | what really sucks about doing a remote upgrade is when you do a reboot and the box does not come up again |
| 17:58.56 | Polluxx | what is better? wait and make an apt-get upgrade on april? |
| 17:59.10 | nikin | stew: i need X.. coz i want to use it for programing.. using lazarus |
| 17:59.13 | Polluxx | or make apt-get upgrade every week? |
| 17:59.31 | nikin | but JWM or TWM is more than enough... so no GNOME or KDE candy |
| 17:59.43 | stew | nikin: you'd never fit gnome or kde on there |
| 17:59.56 | nikin | stew: i dont want it :D |
| 18:00.09 | stew | nikin: its doable, it will just be very tight, you might have to remove some docs from /usr/share/doc/ in order to shoehorn it all in |
| 18:00.09 | Polluxx | any advice? |
| 18:00.51 | scv | I wish I had a tweaked and perfect twm |
| 18:00.59 | stew | Polluxx: installing etch is probably fine. i'd recommend keeping an eye on http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce however, sometime packages aren't always immediately updated on testing |
| 18:01.03 | cusco | Polluxx: im upgrading lamost everyday |
| 18:01.07 | nikin | stew: thats ok.... i mean i have read some about DamnSmall Linux.. wich is Debian based AFAIK... and its installed size is about 250 MB |
| 18:01.23 | stew | nikin: dunno, ask #damnsmalllinux |
| 18:01.48 | nikin | stew: i just dont want it... i would be more happy with a standard debian :D |
| 18:01.51 | scv | nikin: 250 or 50? |
| 18:02.07 | nikin | scw: the CD is 50 MB: installed size is about 200-250 |
| 18:02.20 | blinx | how can I disable the auto-mails of cron? |
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| 18:02.56 | stew | blinx: stop the things that cron runs from producing output, perhaps with > /dev/null 2> /dev/null |
| 18:03.01 | Thms | how can I select the default sound device |
| 18:03.25 | nikin | ty for the info... see you |
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| 18:03.41 | stew | Thms: the easy way it to explicitly order which module gets loaded first in /etc/modules ; the harder but more flexible way is to look into .asoundrc |
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| 18:03.57 | helo | i messed up my /boot/grub/menu.lst... how can i get it regenerated? |
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| 18:04.05 | stew | helo: "update-grub" |
| 18:04.16 | Thms | stew: .asoundrc is hard ? |
| 18:04.35 | Thms | I can't find ti |
| 18:04.36 | Thms | it* |
| 18:04.46 | stew | Thms: i found it confusing, but that just be me |
| 18:04.54 | blinx | stew: sorry but what additional output I should use? |
| 18:04.54 | stew | Thms: it doesn't exist by default. google for it |
| 18:05.06 | Thms | okay stew |
| 18:05.14 | stew | blinx: what do you mean? |
| 18:05.26 | blinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.38 | abrotman | &> /dev/null ? |
| 18:05.40 | blinx | what one? |
| 18:05.51 | stew | abrotman: not posix |
| 18:06.00 | Thms | stew: in /etc/modules there is only loop sbp2 nvidia nvidia |
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| 18:06.09 | Thms | stew: I want my usb headphones to be default |
| 18:06.27 | stew | Thms: oh, do you only have one card, but you want to change which output it uses? |
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| 18:06.53 | Thms | stew: hmm, dunno, I have a usb headphone and my mb card |
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| 18:07.25 | Thms | but I think the USB is recognized as a card |
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| 18:07.26 | stew | blinx: cron is mailing you the output of the scripts. "foo >/dev/null" will run "foo" but throw away stdout. "foo 2>/dev/null" will do the same but throw away stderr, "foo >/dev/null 2>/dev/null" would trow away both |
| 18:07.33 | jetscreamer | hw:1 vs hs:0 |
| 18:07.46 | jetscreamer | err hw:0 |
| 18:08.09 | stew | blinx: if you just want to ditch all the output from everywhere, crontabl probably has a way to do it. "man 5 crontab" and look for the "MAILTO" variable |
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| 18:08.28 | blinx | stew: thx! |
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| 18:09.01 | Thms | stew: in audacious I can select the device but it is JUST for audacious |
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| 18:09.04 | abrotman | stew: who cares! :) |
| 18:09.06 | dury | no one answer in debianppc channel, can't get support |
| 18:10.25 | Thms | stew: cat /dev/sndstat I see my USB headphones in number 1 and my card 0 |
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| 18:11.07 | stew | Thms: you can probably easily effect which output alsa aware apps use, but not oss apps which are only using /dev/dsp |
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| 18:11.29 | Thms | stew: so how to do ? |
| 18:11.46 | stew | Thms: in which application? |
| 18:11.53 | Thms | stew: all |
| 18:12.05 | Thms | but oss in not used ? |
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| 18:12.09 | Thms | its only alsa no ? |
| 18:12.13 | stew | Thms: if you want something that would work for all then you want .asoundrc |
| 18:12.26 | jetscreamer | you can set that in the mixer i hear |
| 18:12.28 | stew | Thms: some apps don't know how to talk to alsa, only to oss |
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| 18:12.56 | Thms | stew: do you have a tutorial for asound or can you give me your .asoundrc ? |
| 18:13.02 | stew | Thms: i don't have one |
| 18:13.16 | stew | of either |
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| 18:14.17 | \amethyst | Thms: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php |
| 18:15.14 | Thms | thanks |
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| 18:19.00 | rahul | .\ |
| 18:19.29 | \amethyst | λ |
| 18:19.33 | rahul | ; |
| 18:20.21 | rahul | woo tootsie roll |
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| 18:20.47 | \amethyst | procrastinating on my dissertation |
| 18:20.48 | \amethyst | :) |
| 18:20.49 | LaughingSam | Hi folks. I'm running vdr (Video Disk Recorder) on my ubuntu-bo in console mode. VDR uses tty1. I've disabled getty on tty1 from /etc/event.d/tty1, but I can't access tty with VDR unless I run it as root. How do I give a specific user access to tty1 (or ttyN, for that matter)? |
| 18:20.53 | rahul | haha |
| 18:21.14 | karsten | Hrm. If 'tac' reads a file backwards, 'ssel' should page it the same way... |
| 18:21.16 | rahul | LaughingSam: how would we know how ubuntu works? |
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| 18:21.31 | rahul | bzed: pull your pants back up! |
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| 18:21.37 | LaughingSam | rahul: cuz i suppose that ubuntu is a debian spinoff, aye? |
| 18:21.45 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 18:21.45 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 18:21.47 | karsten | !not debian |
| 18:21.48 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 18:21.51 | rahul | LaughingSam: and debian is a gnu spinoff |
| 18:21.58 | rahul | LaughingSam: maybe you should ask your question in #gnu |
| 18:21.59 | karsten | LaughingSam: Run along now. |
| 18:22.05 | bzed | rahul: that arrow does not point to unbuntu |
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| 18:22.10 | rahul | bzed: heh. |
| 18:22.25 | karsten | bzed: Damn! It's stuck in abrotman's um, nevermind. |
| 18:22.26 | rahul | !penixstrike ubuntu users who ask for help in unrelated channels |
| 18:22.26 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ubuntu users who ask for help in unrelated channels to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:22.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:22.38 | mo1991 | what is a good firewall for etch that has gui configuration and also allows for internet sharing via a second ethernet card? |
| 18:22.39 | LaughingSam | karsten: Suck my kiss. And the rest of you: Join him |
| 18:22.41 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 18:22.46 | karsten | !ops LaughingSam abuse |
| 18:22.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: LaughingSam abuse |
| 18:22.53 | bzed | !lart karsten |
| 18:22.56 | rahul | LaughingSam: good to know you're a typical ubuntu luser. |
| 18:22.57 | abrotman | karsten: kettle .. pot ? |
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| 18:23.00 | stew | LaughingSam: please just drop it and move along |
| 18:23.02 | LaughingSam | Cheers mates :) |
| 18:23.17 | karsten | abrotman: shiny metal? |
| 18:23.21 | LaughingSam | stew: I will - but I was the one who asked a polite question! |
| 18:23.22 | abrotman | right |
| 18:23.33 | stew | LaughingSam: i'm sorry we're unable to help you |
| 18:23.35 | abrotman | LaughingSam: you're still offtopic. We do not support Ubuntu here |
| 18:23.40 | karsten | LaughingSam: Arguing with ops is not recommended. |
| 18:23.42 | bzed | LaughingSam: and we told you very politely to ask in the right room. |
| 18:23.45 | rahul | LaughingSam: you asked an offtopic question and got insulting when you were told so. |
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| 18:23.59 | stew | everyone please just drop it |
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| 18:24.22 | karsten | Ouch! |
| 18:24.24 | LaughingSam | stew: No problem, I can live with it. |
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| 18:25.10 | mo1991 | well - looks like there are two main ones firestarter and shorewall - which is recommended? Going to be blocking ports but also sharing internet connection via second ethernet card to other computers |
| 18:25.13 | limpio | hi all, i'm doing a minimal etch install, i'm installing my apps with apt-get, what's the app i have to install for X? is it xserver-xorg or just plain xorg? |
| 18:25.24 | abrotman | xorg i believe now |
| 18:25.25 | stew | limpio: xorg |
| 18:25.32 | rahul | limpio: use aptitude and use the search functionality |
| 18:25.37 | jetscreamer | xorg is a metapackage |
| 18:25.45 | jetscreamer | you won't get minimal using it |
| 18:25.46 | stew | limpio: xorg will install xserver-xorg + some other stuff that is required for running it such as fonts |
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| 18:25.50 | rahul | limpio: also, it lists tasks at the bottom. you can pick and choose packages from the task or install the whole thing |
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| 18:26.08 | limpio | how about xserver-xorg-core? |
| 18:26.13 | karsten | limpio: While you're at it, learn to love aptitude. |
| 18:26.29 | rahul | limpio: if you used aptitude, you'd see the relationship of xserver-xorg-core to the other packages |
| 18:26.30 | karsten | limpio: You _can_ read the package descriptions yourself. |
| 18:26.37 | limpio | i don't like aptitude, apt-get is hot |
| 18:26.47 | rahul | limpio: too bad for you, then |
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| 18:26.58 | karsten | !tell limpio about aptitude |
| 18:26.59 | limpio | rahul, yeah |
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| 18:27.30 | rahul | limpio: at least I won't help you go around doing things the hard way just for fun |
| 18:27.33 | jetscreamer | note: apt-get limpio doesn't work |
| 18:27.41 | jetscreamer | it's apt-get clean |
| 18:27.44 | mo1991 | any recommendations for which firewall? Shorewall, firestarter, fwbuilder?? |
| 18:28.02 | Eclipser | they all do the same thing, use iptables :) |
| 18:28.12 | karsten | mo1991: Nothing beets six inches of asbestos-core concrete. |
| 18:28.15 | karsten | beats. |
| 18:28.16 | octoberdan | If two repos listed sources.list happen to have the same package, but different versions, is the newest version favored? |
| 18:28.18 | Eclipser | firewalls are rather useless |
| 18:28.19 | xixor | stew: just wondering why apt is telling me that it is unwise to have both rsa and password authentication? |
| 18:28.27 | cydork | mo1991: shorewalll is good if you are lazy! (like me!) |
| 18:28.27 | rahul | octoberdan: depends on your priority settings |
| 18:28.29 | karsten | mo1991: That said: shorewall's not half bad. |
| 18:28.41 | scv | mo1991, a perfect script is what you need |
| 18:28.43 | octoberdan | rahul: How do I configure those? |
| 18:28.43 | rahul | octoberdan: man apt_preferences |
| 18:29.02 | limpio | jetscreamer, lol, funny |
| 18:29.32 | scv | mo1991, and this perfect script was made by yourself |
| 18:29.32 | mo1991 | karsten - cydork - I noticed that firestarter has a real time hit monitor that shows when people are banging at your ssh port, etc - does shorewall have this? Internet sharing through second nic? |
| 18:29.39 | octoberdan | Is it bad to have, say, a combination of Sid, testing and Experimental repos? |
| 18:29.48 | rahul | octoberdan: if you're careful, it's not |
| 18:29.58 | karsten | mo1991: They're both using iptables logging feature. So yes. |
| 18:30.01 | rahul | octoberdan: be very aware of the priority settings you need |
| 18:30.06 | octoberdan | hmm... |
| 18:30.08 | karsten | mo1991: And yes WRT "sharing" (aka NAT forwarding). |
| 18:30.17 | octoberdan | rahul: Is there a debian sources.list generator like there is for ubuntu? |
| 18:30.28 | karsten | octoberdan: It's not recommended, and in general doesn't do what you'd think it might, w/o pinning |
| 18:30.30 | rahul | octoberdan: what would it do? |
| 18:30.32 | karsten | !tell octoberdan about pinning. |
| 18:30.34 | mo1991 | karsten - do either - thanks - do you know if either has a gui to display things like port hammering? |
| 18:30.40 | karsten | octoberdan: apt-setup |
| 18:30.46 | mo1991 | I find ssh login worms running alot |
| 18:30.46 | karsten | mo1991: Sure. |
| 18:31.00 | karsten | mo1991: rxvt + screen + tail -f :-) |
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| 18:31.12 | abrotman | mo1991: apt-cache search fail2ban |
| 18:31.14 | jetscreamer | apt-spy |
| 18:31.22 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 18:31.22 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your ... |
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| 18:31.52 | abrotman | looks promising |
| 18:32.07 | octoberdan | Nice |
| 18:32.17 | octoberdan | Thank you for the help, I'll check that out |
| 18:32.44 | stew | xixor: where is it telling you that? |
| 18:33.03 | TelVGG-Ariel | do you know what type and code of icmp is traceroute on ipv6? |
| 18:33.11 | mo1991 | abrotman - fail2ban looks like just what I need - does that work with the firewall software such as shorewall, firestarter? |
| 18:33.36 | scv | is dpkg ok today? |
| 18:33.47 | jetscreamer | !lart scv |
| 18:34.00 | scv | hahah |
| 18:34.14 | mo1991 | abrotman - I guess my question is does fail2ban modify iptables - I believe shorewall and firestarter are just frontends for iptables |
| 18:34.33 | scv | dpkg is the most smart I have ever seen |
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| 18:34.50 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | could anybody point me into the right directions with regards to an installation with a SATA cdrom ? |
| 18:34.51 | karsten | mo1991: It's all front-ends. |
| 18:35.08 | Flimzy | HaCKeT|FiZZ: 1) insert CD. 2) Turn on PC. 3) Follow prompts. |
| 18:35.16 | bzed | HaCKeT|FiZZ: boot from the cd |
| 18:35.18 | bzed | :D |
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| 18:35.29 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | aehm.. nope |
| 18:35.30 | jetscreamer | i think he means installing the drive... not sure |
| 18:35.31 | bzed | HaCKeT|FiZZ: and probably use the latest etch installer, link is in the topic^^ |
| 18:35.32 | scv | karsten: for example, windows is the front-end of the dos? |
| 18:35.46 | mo1991 | karsten - but in general you would recommend shorewall - perhaps along with fail2ban to stop hammering? |
| 18:35.53 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | well I tried the latest netinstall... as usual... |
| 18:36.02 | jetscreamer | scv: yes it is even though ms wants you to think not |
| 18:36.08 | mo1991 | karsten - or does shorewall have the ability to stop hammering in itself? |
| 18:36.20 | Flimzy | HaCKeT|FiZZ: Do you have a brand new SATA chipset? |
| 18:36.23 | scv | jetscreamer: I'm joking -_- |
| 18:36.25 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | but when I come to the stage where the CD Rom is being mounted (pls ignore my wrong terminology...) ... |
| 18:36.27 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | yepp I do |
| 18:36.34 | bzed | HaCKeT|FiZZ: from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 18:36.34 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | Flimzy that's my problem |
| 18:36.37 | Flimzy | HaCKeT|FiZZ: Make sure your SATA chipset is supported. |
| 18:36.53 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | just looking at it now.. thanks for pointing out the link again ;) (blind me) |
| 18:36.59 | Flimzy | HaCKeT|FiZZ: If it's not, you may have to build your own install CD with a custom kernel. |
| 18:37.02 | jetscreamer | scv: i wasn't though... :) |
| 18:37.06 | x_link | Hi, I use linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 now, I used linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 before and now I want to remove it, but I can't |
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| 18:37.15 | Flimzy | HaCKeT|FiZZ: (assuming it's supported in .19 or .20) |
| 18:37.18 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | yeah... just need to find any pc where I can compile my kernel first... ;) |
| 18:37.21 | x_link | I did apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 but it didn't find it. |
| 18:37.27 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | as of boot into any linux ): |
| 18:37.30 | x_link | Could somebody help me out with this? |
| 18:37.35 | bzed | HaCKeT|FiZZ: did you try the latest installer from the link I just gave you? |
| 18:37.46 | bzed | HaCKeT|FiZZ: if that won't work... |
| 18:37.48 | x_link | I don't want -3-k7 on my boot list. |
| 18:37.52 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | just checking which one I used right now |
| 18:37.56 | Flimzy | x_link: So remove it. |
| 18:37.58 | bzed | !tell HaCKeT|FiZZ about sarge 2.6.20 |
| 18:38.03 | trycyt | Can update-alternatives be used to manage symlinks in /usr/lib/cups/backend ? |
| 18:38.09 | jetscreamer | x_link: afaict the - just updates the -3 and uses that |
| 18:38.17 | jetscreamer | err the -4 |
| 18:38.26 | bzed | HaCKeT|FiZZ: the link dpkg just gave you contains unofficial srage installers, you can use them to install testing, too |
| 18:38.29 | h3sp4wn | x_link: why ? aptitude purge 2.6.18-3\~i (just got rid of mine) |
| 18:38.30 | jetscreamer | so you don't really want to purge -3 |
| 18:38.32 | x_link | Flimzy: But when I do apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 and it didn't work |
| 18:38.43 | Flimzy | x_link: Then that image isn't installed. |
| 18:38.49 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | bzed, I'll try one of the unofficial ones... as I did try one of the page first |
| 18:38.52 | x_link | hrmm |
| 18:39.02 | bzed | x_link: copy and paste the output in a pastebin? my glassbowl is still broken, I can;t guess |
| 18:39.13 | Flimzy | jetscreamer:dist-upgrade may replace -3 with -4, but just installing -4 leaves -3 there. |
| 18:39.23 | mo1991 | karsten - installed shorewall - do I need to put it in a startup file or will it just run on bootup? |
| 18:39.26 | karsten | !tell bzed about esp |
| 18:39.30 | karsten | bzed: Factoid for your info. |
| 18:39.34 | x_link | Can I see which kernels I have on this machine? |
| 18:39.38 | karsten | mo1991: RTFM. |
| 18:39.42 | bzed | HaCKeT|FiZZ: I think the sarge installer will ask you if you want to install testing, if not, just install a mini sarge and upgrade |
| 18:39.48 | karsten | x_link: check under /boot |
| 18:39.51 | stew | x_link: ls /boot/vmlinu* |
| 18:40.03 | mo1991 | karsten - apt-get install shorewall-docs :) |
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| 18:40.16 | karsten | mo1991: My understanding is that once configured (which you'll have to do), it should load rules at boot. |
| 18:40.25 | karsten | mo1991: Good plan ;-) |
| 18:40.32 | mo1991 | thx |
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| 18:41.06 | bzed | karsten: haha cool :) I should write one about future prediction by using a fishbowl :D |
| 18:41.24 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ ls /boot/vmlinu* |
| 18:41.24 | x_link | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-486 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 18:41.24 | x_link | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486 |
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| 18:43.26 | Ein | bzed: the sarge installer does not by default ask, but if you use the expert installation it will |
| 18:43.37 | x_link | How should I do then? |
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| 18:44.21 | n3kl | Does anyone know how to setup a vpn connection to a Microsoft PPTP from linux? |
| 18:44.24 | scv | x_link: do you have grub? |
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| 18:45.43 | karsten | bzed: Da |
| 18:46.21 | karsten | n3kl: Sorta vaguely. There are a number of proprietary clients (eg: Cisco's) which I see used somewhat frequently. |
| 18:46.46 | karsten | n3kl: The one I'm supposed to use at $WORK wants me to build in kernel support. And is based on 2.2 or 2.4 kernels IIRC. |
| 18:46.46 | n3kl | karsten: I am using kvpnc at the moment. |
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| 18:49.03 | Thms | thanks stew my asoundrc is now good :) |
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| 18:49.42 | n3kl | karsten: I get : Remote modem has hung up. Connection was terminated. I think this has to do with the preshared key or something, but I don't know for sure. |
| 18:49.55 | mo1991 | karsten - reading through the docs here - does shorewall have any kind of web or gui interfaces? Granted, I can pretty much use a default config file for my setup |
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| 18:50.41 | karsten | mo1991: IIRC the main config is simply editing config files, which should give you want you want. |
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| 18:51.12 | esters | i'm trying to mount initrd.img-2.6.18.4-686 (using this kernel atm) with mount -o loop option, but it asks for a filesystem , when adding -t cramfs option it does not mount |
| 18:51.13 | karsten | mo1991: Real sysadmins despise web interfaces. You can look for same though with apt-cache search. Try "shorewall gui" or "shorewall web" |
| 18:51.36 | karsten | mo1991: Latter will turn up a webmin module. |
| 18:51.39 | karsten | !webmin |
| 18:51.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 18:52.03 | karsten | mo1991: ... so you can guess what my recommendation is on that ;-) |
| 18:52.38 | Nwallins | what's a simple way to transfer ownership of a process to init? right now I am fork-off-and-die'ing inside a ruby script. is there a bash equivalent of: #!/usr/bin/env ruby; exit 0 if !fork.nil?; `command-to-run-under-init` ? |
| 18:52.52 | scv | anyway, I guess webmin was a good toy |
| 18:52.56 | karsten | Nwallins: That works. |
| 18:53.00 | mo1991 | karsten - ya, I've heard bad things about webmin - how bout firestarter? Looking for something with gui so I can play with the firewall easily |
| 18:53.05 | Nwallins | karsten: it does. I'd rather use bash than ruby |
| 18:53.06 | karsten | Nwallins: ( foo & ) & |
| 18:53.15 | Nwallins | karsten: interesting.. |
| 18:53.22 | Nwallins | parens required? |
| 18:53.27 | karsten | Nwallins: Starts a subprocess, backgrounded, which starts a subprocess. |
| 18:53.33 | scv | rbash > bash |
| 18:53.36 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: you need to daemonize; fork, close all open FDs, change your session, and chdir to / |
| 18:53.52 | karsten | Nwallins: Yeah, otherwise you're a subprocess of the invoking shell. The shell invoked w/ parens dies after running 'foo'. |
| 18:54.19 | karsten | dondelelcaro: daemonize == process, or mode of writing the daemon itself? |
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| 18:54.25 | mo1991 | Karsten - there isn't even a webmin package for etch :) |
| 18:54.36 | karsten | mo1991: Feature! |
| 18:54.45 | concept10 | what is the limit on number of characters in IRC nicks? |
| 18:54.50 | mo1991 | ya that's pretty funny |
| 18:54.55 | karsten | concept10: $100 |
| 18:55.11 | karsten | concept10: ... unless you're playing low-stakes. |
| 18:55.51 | Thms | how can i know the ports used by gaim? |
| 18:56.03 | karsten | Thms: lsof | grep gaim |
| 18:56.15 | Thms | karsten: for files transfert |
| 18:56.37 | Ronin | Thms: looked on the gaim website? |
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| 18:56.44 | Thms | Ronin: no |
| 18:56.45 | karsten | Thms: wireshark |
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| 18:58.19 | Thms | karsten: file transfert is it tcp or udp ? |
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| 18:58.44 | karsten | Thms: Read the gaim docs and/or spec. NFC. |
| 18:59.00 | bzed | Ein: ah ok, thanks. haven't used it anymore since ages |
| 18:59.11 | uther_p | can someone tell me how to turn on daylight saving time? I have a server that isn't adjusting (lousy farmers) |
| 18:59.24 | stew | uther_p: /msg dpkg dst change (/topic) |
| 18:59.55 | uther_p | oh that is too cool |
| 18:59.56 | uther_p | thanks man |
| 19:00.07 | karsten | uther_p: Um, you don't turn it on or off. You report time based on a given locale. |
| 19:00.17 | uther_p | kudos to whomever wrote wrote the dpkg bot |
| 19:00.39 | karsten | uther_p: Either change your locale to what you want it to be, and/or set system default to a specific locale, or UTC, and I'd recommend setting hwclock to UTC. |
| 19:00.41 | uther_p | yea, I know, misnomer on my part |
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| 19:00.57 | karsten | uther_p: That would be dondelelcaro who cleans the litterbox and many of us who feed it. |
| 19:01.19 | Nwallins | I have pids as high as 6912 showing under top. however, neither ps aux nor ps -e show these. do I need a different ps command? |
| 19:01.20 | karsten | uther_p: aptitude install locales; dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:01.31 | uther_p | Nwallins: ps aux ? |
| 19:01.34 | karsten | Nwallins: What do you see under /proc itself? |
| 19:01.37 | dkr | Nwallins: ls /proc :) |
| 19:01.41 | Nwallins | uther_p: yes, BSD syntax |
| 19:01.55 | uther_p | sorry, thats what i'm most accustomed to |
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| 19:02.15 | uther_p | I see it, a server which works says CDT is correct, CST is incorrect |
| 19:02.16 | Nwallins | dkr: it's not in proc, the pid 6912, that is |
| 19:02.26 | Nwallins | karsten: ^^ |
| 19:02.27 | karsten | Nwallins: and/or what what does /proc/loadavg have as it's last (5th) value? That's the next-to-be-assigned PID. |
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| 19:02.38 | rgsteele | Hmmm... what signal you send to kill something in an uninterruptible sleep? (Something that won't respond to SIGKILL?) |
| 19:02.44 | uther_p | -9 |
| 19:02.48 | karsten | uther_p: aptitude update tzdata (etch) or glibc (sarge) |
| 19:02.55 | rgsteele | uther_p: -9 is SIGKILL |
| 19:02.57 | karsten | rgsteele: reboot ;-) |
| 19:02.57 | uther_p | nothing 'responds' to a sigkill |
| 19:02.58 | dkr | rgsteele: send it prayers |
| 19:03.02 | subopt | Anyone know of an xterm replacement that features a bar cursor (as opposed to the std block cursor)? |
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| 19:03.14 | Nwallins | karsten: /proc/loadavg is size 0 |
| 19:03.17 | karsten | rgsteele: You can try killing its parent(s), or find out what it's waiting for. |
| 19:03.18 | rgsteele | dkr, karsten: Heh |
| 19:03.29 | karsten | Nwallins: So is most of /proc. |
| 19:03.32 | karsten | Nwallins: cat it. |
| 19:03.40 | karsten | !proc |
| 19:03.40 | dpkg | hmm... proc is on Unix-like computer systems, procfs is short for process filesystem: a pseudo-filesystem which is used to access kernel information about processes. Because /proc is not a real file system, it does not consume any storage space, and it consumes only a limited amount of memory. The filesystem is often mounted at /proc. It is supported under Solaris, BSD and Linux, and the latter also extends it to non-process-related data. |
| 19:03.41 | rgsteele | I'm gonna strace the thing, see where it's hanging... maybe that'll help |
| 19:03.42 | freetos | when cenots5 comes out, i'm gonna install etch in Xen, can't wait |
| 19:03.44 | uther_p | if -9 wont kill it, its probably a zombie, waiting for its parent to do a waitpid |
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| 19:04.12 | karsten | rgsteele: If it's in NIS, strace won't show you much. Might get a stack trace from gdb. |
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| 19:04.32 | Nwallins | karsten: cat /proc/loadavg; 0.00 0.00 0.00 1/54 5551 |
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| 19:04.56 | rgsteele | karsten: Really? I thought I could essentially get the equivalent from strace? |
| 19:05.06 | karsten | Nwallins: What that's saying is that the most recently assigned PID is 5551 and the next process to run will be 5551. |
| 19:05.09 | scv | Nwallins: lol, what's your new toy? |
| 19:05.20 | Nwallins | scv: eh? |
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| 19:05.30 | scv | Nwallins: your new pc |
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| 19:05.40 | Malawar | say I've got a ~/env/lib directory, is there any general way to get my programs to search that directory for extra shared libs? |
| 19:05.43 | karsten | rgsteele: strace shows system calls as they're invoked. You don't get history. GDB should show the process's stack, which IIRC includes history. I'm *really* weak on gdb-fu though. |
| 19:05.59 | karsten | Malawar: man ld.so |
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| 19:06.04 | Nwallins | scv: ah, tyan thunder k8sre, dual-opteron 246, 2 gig |
| 19:06.08 | rgsteele | karsten: Ditto :) |
| 19:06.09 | Malawar | and of course i mean without root :/ |
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| 19:06.21 | Malawar | ah |
| 19:06.27 | karsten | rgsteele: I *did* just pick up an autographed copy of " |
| 19:06.28 | mhall | What's the easiest way to scan a bunch of files for the tab character? |
| 19:06.35 | karsten | rgsteele: ... "Debugging with GDB". |
| 19:06.35 | scv | Nwallins: can you sel it to me at year 2012? |
| 19:06.41 | scv | s/sel/sell |
| 19:06.49 | karsten | mhall: 'grep '\t' <filelist>' |
| 19:06.49 | mhall | I am trying grep but it doesn't seem to quite like \t. |
| 19:06.53 | scv | ^_^ |
| 19:06.57 | karsten | mhall: sed then. |
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| 19:07.00 | Malawar | but |
| 19:07.04 | karsten | mhall: Or possibly egrep. |
| 19:07.13 | Malawar | if I use LD_LIBRARY_PATH that'll jack up my other shared libraries, won't it? |
| 19:07.13 | rgsteele | karsten: An autographed copy? |
| 19:07.14 | teclo- | Hello, just did a fresh install of etch, and the default fonts in Iceweasel are very small.... also the default fonts in the tabs in xchat are too small too... How can I fix that ? I have two other machines with the same configuration, and they do not have this problme. I've installed plenty of xfonts-* packages and msttcorefonts, it doesnt help... any idea ? |
| 19:07.20 | kyaneos | how can i use simultaniously experimental and unstable repositories?? |
| 19:07.34 | rgsteele | kyaneos: You don't want to do that |
| 19:07.43 | kyaneos | why? :P |
| 19:07.47 | karsten | rgsteele: Yeah. |
| 19:07.53 | rgsteele | kyaneos: Good chance you'll end up in dependency hell. |
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| 19:07.56 | h3sp4wn | Malawar: You can just add /full/path/env/lib to a file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
| 19:08.02 | scv | Nwallins: don't forget to put it onto the ebay on year 2012 ;) |
| 19:08.05 | Malawar | not root :P |
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| 19:08.16 | kyaneos | rgsteele: are there dependencies problems?? |
| 19:08.17 | Malawar | i need to do this completely in a user environment |
| 19:08.20 | rgsteele | karsten: From ...the author? :) You can see how weak my GDB really is |
| 19:08.37 | rgsteele | kyaneos: There will be if you start intermixing releases. |
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| 19:09.04 | kyaneos | ok |
| 19:09.08 | kyaneos | thank you rgsteele |
| 19:09.09 | karsten | Malawar: LD_LIBRARY_PATH augments your existing and default search paths. If you have conflicting libs, yes, you can have interesting effects. If you only need this for specific app(s), write a wrapper that sets an apporpriate value. Note that eg: IceWeasel already does this. |
| 19:09.16 | karsten | rgsteele: Yes. |
| 19:09.17 | rgsteele | kyaneos: You're welcome. |
| 19:09.33 | stew | mhall: ls *" "* |
| 19:09.40 | karsten | mhall: sed -n '/\t/p' /tmp/tabtest |
| 19:09.46 | karsten | mhall: grep/egrep fail. |
| 19:09.50 | Malawar | it appears I have been misinformed by some self-proclaimed gurus then |
| 19:09.51 | stew | mhall: where the quotes actually contain a tab character, input the tab character by hitting C-v tab |
| 19:09.54 | kyaneos | i can wait to experimental packages become unstable |
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| 19:10.10 | Malawar | I was bitched up and down elsewhere for suggesting it as it supposedly made the system libraries unavailable :P |
| 19:10.27 | rgsteele | kyaneos: You're more likely to see a flying pig first. |
| 19:10.30 | karsten | Malawar: /lib, /usr/lib, and IIRC /usr/local/lib are searched by default. |
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| 19:10.51 | Pinchiukas | I'm trying to make computers behind a router connect to the wow server through a ssh tunnel, these are the commands I use: http://www.paste.lt/paste/2ffb0c6e43426f8a9b11a57622d1d4be anything wrong? cause they can't connect :) I enter these commands on the router |
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| 19:11.00 | Malawar | what would be nice is to be able to embed the search path in the executable without having to recompile it :/ |
| 19:11.01 | karsten | Malawar: As I said: man 8 ld.so |
| 19:11.13 | Malawar | karsten, i've got it now, LD_LIBRARY_PATH will work fine for my needs. |
| 19:11.55 | rgsteele | I got rid of my WoW addiction... even speaking of it gives me twitches! |
| 19:11.56 | karsten | Malawar: wrapper script: "LD_LIBRARY_PATH="<path>" <executable>" |
| 19:11.56 | karsten | Malawar: ... is all you need. |
| 19:11.56 | Malawar | yep. |
| 19:11.58 | octoberdan | rgsteele: how'd you kick it? |
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| 19:12.47 | Malawar | I found it easy to kick my WoW habit when people started demanding that I devote certain times of my day to playing instances |
| 19:12.49 | karsten | Malawar: Note that there's a "firefox" and "firefox-bin" file. |
| 19:13.00 | Malawar | .. |
| 19:13.10 | rgsteele | octoberdan: Cold turkey. I had to hide the box I bought it with, delete the database entry with my account info, etc. etc. |
| 19:13.22 | Malawar | Who said anything about firefox? :P |
| 19:13.27 | Malawar | karsten, thanks for your help though |
| 19:13.55 | karsten | Malawar: Instance of a commonly-used program that uses this trick. |
| 19:14.05 | rgsteele | octoberdan: WoW for me was a job in and of itself. I either had to get a real job to pay for college loans, or play WoW. I had to play 40-hour weeks for WoW... none of that "log in for an hour" business :) |
| 19:14.28 | liri | Is it possible to enable RAID1 on an already installed system? |
| 19:14.28 | Malawar | rgsteele, that's what turned me off, and i hadn't even hit 60 yet :P |
| 19:14.32 | karsten | Malawar: I had to pull a similar hack in Windows recently, needed to redefine $PATH for a specific executable. Because of architecture, you can't just write a shell wrapper. Had to hack registry. |
| 19:14.39 | karsten | liri: Yes. |
| 19:14.49 | karsten | liri: Data availability may be affected, however. |
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| 19:15.12 | x_link | scv: Yes, I use GRUB. |
| 19:15.15 | liri | karsten: All the documentations I'm finding are explaining how to do it during install time... |
| 19:15.28 | liri | karsten: what do you mean data availability may be affected? |
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| 19:15.45 | karsten | liri: Negatively. |
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| 19:15.57 | rgsteele | I was in an elite guild - on the server that first brought down C'Thun - it demanded all of my time to be a class leader - social included, heh... |
| 19:15.57 | liri | karsten: k |
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| 19:16.18 | rgsteele | Malawar: In any case, glad to have my social life back ;-) |
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| 19:17.10 | rgsteele | D'oh - looks like I'm toast: http://linuxgazette.net/issue83/tag/6.html |
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| 19:18.07 | Pinchiukas | I'm trying to make computers behind a router connect to the wow server through a ssh tunnel, these are the commands I use: http://www.paste.lt/paste/2ffb0c6e43426f8a9b11a57622d1d4be anything wrong? cause they can't connect :) I enter these commands on the router |
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| 19:20.11 | rgsteele | Pinchiukas: The universe is trying to tell you something. |
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| 19:20.29 | hydoskee | how can you see how which packages you've installed? |
| 19:20.38 | Pinchiukas | rgsteele: I'm not listening obviously :) |
| 19:20.38 | rgsteele | dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 19:20.38 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep ii |
| 19:20.58 | rgsteele | Shush dpkg! |
| 19:21.03 | hydoskee | thank you! |
| 19:21.17 | rahul | dpkg -l assweasel |
| 19:21.17 | dpkg | No packages found matching assweasel |
| 19:21.24 | rgsteele | hydoskee: Welcome :) |
| 19:21.25 | rahul | hrm |
| 19:21.36 | rahul | did somebody screw up that factoid? :\ |
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| 19:22.12 | hydoskee | for some reason when I find that pptp has been installed (ii pptp ) - I can't remove it using apt-get remove |
| 19:22.30 | rahul | oh, it just randomly got the same one twice |
| 19:22.32 | rgsteele | hydoskee: Why do you think it doesn't remove it? |
| 19:22.57 | rahul | if you use aptitude, it will be more creative and tell you what it's doing |
| 19:23.26 | rgsteele | s/in/on/ |
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| 19:24.01 | hydoskee | aptitude? |
| 19:24.10 | hydoskee | is that CL or GUI? |
| 19:24.26 | sohmestra | hydoskee: both |
| 19:24.41 | sohmestra | hydoskee: CL & Text GUI, anyway |
| 19:24.44 | \amethyst | For values of 'GUI' |
| 19:24.48 | \amethyst | :) |
| 19:25.18 | Pinchiukas | rgsteele: what is the universe trying to tell me? |
| 19:26.47 | hydoskee | ah - I found my errors, but I'm not sure what solution they translate to |
| 19:26.49 | hydoskee | dpkg: regarding .../pptp-linux_1.7.0-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb containing pptp-linux: |
| 19:26.49 | hydoskee | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.49 | hydoskee | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.49 | hydoskee | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/pptp-linux_1.7.0-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
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| 19:27.07 | rgsteele | Pinchiukas: To stop letting Blizzard suck your life away. |
| 19:27.20 | rahul | hydoskee: of course you're going to get problems now |
| 19:27.24 | rahul | hydoskee: go to #ubuntu |
| 19:27.35 | Pinchiukas | rgsteele: not my life :) |
| 19:27.40 | Pinchiukas | I'm not playing wow |
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| 19:27.57 | hydoskee | crap |
| 19:28.07 | hydoskee | everyone's so much better in the debian room, and the problems always translate |
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| 19:28.13 | rahul | hydoskee: wtong. |
| 19:28.23 | rahul | hydoskee: your problem is something to do with ubuntu, it seems |
| 19:28.26 | hydoskee | mine always have tranaslated |
| 19:28.38 | rahul | hydoskee: luck runs out eventually |
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| 19:28.43 | markybob | i dont know how many times it has to be said |
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| 19:29.01 | markybob | if you're using ubuntu and want help with ubuntu, go to #ubuntu. it's not a difficult concept |
| 19:29.04 | Pinchiukas | I'm trying to make computers behind a router connect to the wow server through a ssh tunnel, these are the commands I use: http://www.paste.lt/paste/2ffb0c6e43426f8a9b11a57622d1d4be anything wrong? cause they can't connect :) I enter these commands on the router |
| 19:29.08 | rgsteele | hydoskee: Sorry bro - Ubuntu boxes are not equivalent to Debian boxes. |
| 19:29.18 | hydoskee | okay, debian's better |
| 19:29.36 | Ronin | no arguement there |
| 19:29.37 | rahul | hydoskee: then why are you using ubuntu? |
| 19:29.57 | rgsteele | Depends on what you're doing. Different tools for different jobs. I think we here will mostly agree with you - but your question is still for #ubuntu |
| 19:29.59 | kyevan | hydoskee: I dunno, personally, I like both for different targets, but... anyway :P |
| 19:30.04 | hydoskee | better out of the box driver support |
| 19:30.14 | rahul | hydoskee: ok, so go to #ubuntu and be happy |
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| 19:30.21 | kyevan | But yeh. Ubuntu questions make more sense in #ubuntu :P |
| 19:30.31 | rgsteele | !distrowar |
| 19:30.40 | kyevan | (And asking a debian question in #ubuntu is pretty dumb, too.) |
| 19:30.44 | rgsteele | Aw, did I munge that factoid name? |
| 19:30.51 | rahul | !start a distro war |
| 19:30.51 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 19:30.55 | rahul | !! |
| 19:30.55 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 19:30.57 | hydoskee | well, ubuntu questions here are less dumb than debian questions there |
| 19:31.06 | rahul | hydoskee: not at all |
| 19:31.13 | rahul | hydoskee: do you ask suse questions in #redhat? |
| 19:31.20 | hydoskee | but ubuntu is built off of debian |
| 19:31.26 | markybob | oh my lord |
| 19:31.27 | rahul | hydoskee: debian is built off gnu |
| 19:31.44 | kyevan | hydoskee: Yes, yes it is |
| 19:31.45 | rahul | hydoskee: go to #gnu and see how much they can help with ubuntu-specific stuff |
| 19:32.01 | stew | hydoskee: sorry we can't help you, but we dont' support ubuntu in here regardless. |
| 19:32.10 | kyevan | But the USA is built off earth, so earth must be the USA! |
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| 19:32.18 | I-kido | damnit, the guy gives u a compliment for helping him out, look what ur damn noob responses are |
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| 19:32.26 | Slaughter | hi gents |
| 19:32.41 | rgsteele | I-kido: Wha? |
| 19:32.51 | rahul | I-kido: what are you on about? |
| 19:33.05 | mfrisch | ok I built a kernel with make-kpkg and did it two different ways but either way I have not created a initrd image. Yes I am specifing --initrd. It is for a xen. |
| 19:33.08 | stew | can we please drop it. i think everyone has made their points and i dont' see anything good coming out of this |
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| 19:33.18 | rgsteele | stew++ |
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| 19:33.33 | rgsteele | Hm, does dpkg track karma? |
| 19:33.39 | markybob | mfrisch, initrd doesnt get its own .deb file. it's part of the main kernel image .deb |
| 19:33.40 | fando | Hi, I'm having problems using the latest make-jpkg on j2sdk-1_4_2_13-linux-i586.bin |
| 19:33.43 | rahul | man, I never realized that the DST change made Wednesday into Sunday. |
| 19:33.45 | dondelelcaro | rgsteele: badly |
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| 19:34.06 | rgsteele | dondelelcaro: Hehe. I wonder if I've got any in his eyes? |
| 19:34.08 | rahul | fando: etch has java 5 if you are ok with upgrading to that |
| 19:34.11 | markybob | rahul, i was thinking the same. mind-twisting in here |
| 19:34.27 | fando | rahul, I can't, we're using a system designed on 1.4.2 and must use that |
| 19:34.28 | mfrisch | markybob yes but its not part of the deb thats created...unless you don't see it mc ing into it |
| 19:34.37 | rgsteele | Aw, neutral? |
| 19:34.41 | rahul | fando: yeah, fair enough :\ |
| 19:34.52 | fando | I already have 1.4.2 installed on my laptop, but I deleted the .deb ... :( |
| 19:34.56 | markybob | mfrisch, file a bug, then |
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| 19:35.57 | mfrisch | markybob if it is one...I don't know if I need to build a skel for the initrd from the xen initrd. |
| 19:36.02 | Pinchiukas | I'm trying to make computers behind a router connect to the wow server through a ssh tunnel, these are the commands I use: http://www.paste.lt/paste/2ffb0c6e43426f8a9b11a57622d1d4be anything wrong? cause they can't connect :) I enter these commands on the router |
| 19:36.22 | thelostbutler | fando: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/499 might be of help |
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| 19:36.40 | markybob | mfrisch, are you using sarge? |
| 19:36.59 | fando | thelostbutler, aha thanks I'll look into that method |
| 19:37.07 | kyevan | Mmmm... No ldraw stuff in apt? :( |
| 19:37.41 | mfrisch | markybob unstable..Do the debian kernel patches affect the resulting kernel...I am using vanilla. |
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| 19:38.18 | markybob | mfrisch, i've not used xen, so i'm not sure. however, unstable has xen kernel images. any reason why you're building your own instead? |
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| 19:40.35 | fando | thelostbutler, thanks that worked.. I'll try this deb after lunch :) |
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| 19:40.53 | mfrisch | markybob I want evms support. As far as I can tell I need to patch the kernel to get it to work. I think I need bd-claim or something |
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| 19:46.02 | debian_zealot | I need help... I have an addiction of tweaking my desktop |
| 19:46.41 | asg | debian_zealot: use fullscreen xterms and then you won't have a desktop, just a place to type |
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| 19:47.41 | h3sp4wn | debian_zealot: Or use ratpoison as a wm |
| 19:47.44 | asg | or ion |
| 19:47.47 | debian_zealot | asg, I do use full screen xterms (xfce's terminal in fullscreen) |
| 19:47.58 | peppe | debian_zealot: tweaking leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to installing gentoo |
| 19:48.04 | asg | debian_zealot: then no need to tweak |
| 19:48.10 | stew | asg: sure, then at least you have to learn lua before you start tweaking |
| 19:48.15 | debian_zealot | peppe, thats funny |
| 19:48.18 | asg | stew: haha, true |
| 19:48.41 | janttsu | i'd like to watch auth.log and send mail when a user logs in.. what might be the best way to do this? |
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| 19:48.56 | asg | janttsu: logwatch, swatch, sec |
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| 19:49.31 | junix-other | i just installed Debian Sarge 3.1r5 and it loaded 2.6.8-3-k7-smp when i have a dual p3 |
| 19:49.45 | junix-other | how do i fix this? |
| 19:49.48 | janttsu | asg: thanks |
| 19:49.56 | asg | janttsu: use 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 19:49.59 | asg | bah |
| 19:50.03 | asg | junix-other: ^^^ |
| 19:50.13 | junix-other | i can't boot into the system |
| 19:50.17 | junix-other | it sorta hangs... |
| 19:50.22 | debian_zealot | or a nice stable 2.4 |
| 19:50.24 | asg | junix-other: boot with in install disc |
| 19:50.33 | junix-other | k |
| 19:50.41 | junix-other | and do what? |
| 19:50.51 | asg | junix-other: then chroot into the existing filesystem and install a kernel that works |
| 19:50.57 | junix-other | k |
| 19:51.06 | junix-other | i was finishing the install.... |
| 19:51.47 | debian_zealot | 2.4 kernel with 100 patches: http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotri4.png |
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| 19:52.24 | junix-other | asg: i'm just going to reinstall with 2.4.x kernel |
| 19:52.33 | junix-other | asg why would it do that? |
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| 19:52.41 | waspius | hey does anyone know a program to use under gnome for your mobile phone? |
| 19:53.10 | asg | junix-other: did it present you with a selection of kernels to install? |
| 19:53.12 | moprilo | hi guys, i have a debian installation gone bad i think, cause i do apt-get install apache2, and no /etc/apache2 folder is created. What can i do? |
| 19:53.16 | junix-other | asg: nope |
| 19:53.24 | asg | waspius: bluez-utils (for bluetooth phonage) |
| 19:53.38 | waspius | asg: i want fo usb if there is any |
| 19:53.39 | asg | junix-other: hmm, odd. |
| 19:53.57 | junix-other | asg: yes |
| 19:53.57 | asg | waspius: if it presents as a simple usb storage device, /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 19:54.07 | rahul | moprilo: why do you think it would create /etc/apache2? |
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| 19:54.26 | waspius | asg: it does not... |
| 19:54.31 | moprilo | rahul: the configuration files are always on /etc/apache2 by default |
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| 19:54.58 | h3sp4wn | junix-other: Its a known bug |
| 19:55.12 | asg | waspius: hmm, I'm not sure then. Perhaps someone else knows. |
| 19:55.21 | rahul | moprilo: why do you think that? |
| 19:55.23 | waspius | asg: ok thank you |
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| 19:56.27 | moprilo | cause everytime i had installed apache2, it would always create that folder |
| 19:56.36 | moprilo | .. where do i configure the apache2 then? |
| 19:56.49 | rahul | moprilo: why don't you use aptitude and make sure you got all related packages that you expect |
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| 19:58.02 | debian_zealot | moprilo, apache2 is has a more modular config than 1.x series, its almost the same but on the other hand a different beast |
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| 19:59.02 | moprilo | i get it, but i'll tell you the whole story, i was installing ispconfig, but it messed up,.. So i decided to uninstall apache2, delete the conf files, (the messed up ones), and reinstall it, so new default conf files would appear. |
| 19:59.14 | moprilo | that was my guess, but it didn't.. |
| 19:59.27 | moprilo | in other words.. my bad, is there a way to fix it |
| 19:59.28 | moprilo | jej |
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| 19:59.44 | asg | moprilo: did you install the apache2-common package? |
| 19:59.50 | moprilo | yes |
| 20:00.09 | rahul | moprilo: so you left it thinking that config files were already installed and you deleted them |
| 20:00.18 | stew | moprilo: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 20:00.23 | debian_zealot | moprilo, always make a backup of original config before you start dicking around with it |
| 20:00.27 | rahul | moprilo: look up the difference between purged and removed package status for dpkg |
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| 20:00.43 | mfrisch | moprilo you need to tell it to redo the configs |
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| 20:01.18 | rahul | apt-spy is so frigging buggy |
| 20:01.26 | rahul | Error: Couldn't resolve host 'mirror.cs.wisc.eduamd64ls-lR.gz' |
| 20:01.46 | rahul | zsh: segmentation fault apt-spy -d testing -a North-America -o ~/sources.list |
| 20:01.47 | rahul | yay |
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| 20:03.30 | sones77 | hello |
| 20:03.44 | sones77 | can i ask for some help? |
| 20:03.48 | asg | sones77: sure |
| 20:03.58 | asg | rahul: another reason no to use it |
| 20:04.11 | sones77 | i just want to fix the fonts on a debian etch |
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| 20:05.27 | debian_zealot | Is ISPconfig any good? |
| 20:05.37 | rahul | dpkg ispconfig |
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| 20:05.49 | junix-other | what is 2.4.27-speakup? |
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| 20:06.14 | asg | junix-other: for the blind |
| 20:06.26 | holdenSK | junix-other: 2.4.27 kernel with speakup patch |
| 20:06.26 | junix-other | asg: no, seriously |
| 20:06.41 | junix-other | what is the speakup patch? |
| 20:06.46 | rahul | why would that not be serious? |
| 20:06.53 | rahul | why don't you LOOK at the package desc? |
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| 20:07.08 | junix-other | rahul: i'm installing right now. and i'm asking |
| 20:07.23 | stew | junix-other: a screen reader for sight impaired people |
| 20:07.28 | junix-other | ok |
| 20:07.29 | holdenSK | junix-other: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup |
| 20:07.32 | junix-other | k |
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| 20:07.51 | rahul | strange. |
| 20:08.02 | rahul | why would you install something without finding out what it is? |
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| 20:08.20 | junix-other | i'm doing the initial install 3.1r5 is doing some funky things.... |
| 20:08.21 | dustybin | http://debaday.debian.net/ |
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| 20:11.19 | ma3x | hey, what does the router actually do? it routes to isp ip to my network? |
| 20:11.25 | sones77 | so can someone help me with my fonts on etch? |
| 20:11.26 | mike1980 | Hi guys I was wondering how I could make hotkeys package autostart on boot |
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| 20:12.00 | stew | moprilo: check for a /usr/share/doc/hotkeys/README.Debian if you haven't alredy |
| 20:12.18 | smacnay | on boot, do my symlinks in /dev get changed? Especially ones like /dev/cdrom ? All cd and dvd /drv links point to my /dev/hdd (dvd drive). |
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| 20:13.59 | smacnay | hmm, I can't edit the symlink by hand as root either. |
| 20:14.16 | Pr0nStrGeek | hello power cable on my VOIP phone... |
| 20:14.44 | mike1980 | Stew: ok thanks |
| 20:14.45 | mike1980 | d |
| 20:15.31 | Maerz | I've got no sound in flash video's in opera, any idea what i could do ? |
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| 20:16.20 | prometeus | hi, wht does debian 3.1 R5 has 3 DVD ? and what the update 1.7 gb one does ? |
| 20:16.39 | xFred_ | Hi; I'd like to know when the qemu 0.9.0 package (i386) will go "unstable" ? |
| 20:16.55 | dondelelcaro | prometeus: because that's how many DVDs it takes. If you've got a reasonable network connection, you don't need any of them, though. |
| 20:16.59 | scv | xFred_: what? |
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| 20:17.31 | prometeus | <dondelelcaro> i mean R1 was 1 dvd and less, has it grown this much ? |
| 20:17.38 | holdenSK | prometeus: indeed |
| 20:17.51 | prometeus | and the update ? allows one who gots 3.1 to step to r5? |
| 20:17.55 | smacnay | hmm, cdrecord doesn't even see the /dev/hdc (cdrom) drive when I run 'wodim --devices'. |
| 20:17.58 | xFred_ | scv: I mean on the unstable distribution; seems it still experimental at this time. |
| 20:18.01 | holdenSK | prometeus: yes |
| 20:18.06 | scv | xFred_: oh |
| 20:18.07 | prometeus | ah ok then |
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| 20:18.45 | stew | xFred_: you could email the maintainer. it might be that he is holding it out for until after etch releases |
| 20:19.35 | smacnay | ahh, dev/hdc - I see a message 'lost interrupt' in dmesg. How do I correct this? |
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| 20:21.07 | xFred_ | stew: ok TY. I'll let him/them do the work. |
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| 20:23.32 | mike1980 | stew: there nothing in there about autostart |
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| 20:23.40 | mike1980 | s |
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| 20:25.01 | mike1980 | Stew: there nothing in the docs on how to autostart hotkeys package |
| 20:25.06 | stew | mike1980: you could start it via .xsession |
| 20:25.14 | stew | !.xsession |
| 20:25.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, .xsession is : see the "xsession" entry, and/or startx(1) |
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| 20:25.32 | stew | !no .xsession is <reply> see xsession |
| 20:25.33 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 20:25.35 | stew | !.xsession |
| 20:25.36 | dpkg | xsession is, like, ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 20:26.59 | debian_zealot | is XFE the old xfce file manager? |
| 20:27.01 | itrebal | is there a way I could get the original /etc/exim4 files? I want to go back to the original files |
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| 20:27.14 | evildenny | Miss-tURk[off]: bye. |
| 20:27.18 | evildenny | :) |
| 20:27.20 | AfterDeath | thanks |
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| 20:27.51 | h3sp4wn | itrebal: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 20:32.13 | itrebal | h3sp4wn: so to be sure, it would be (exactly) apt-get -o DPK::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 20:32.17 | itrebal | DPkg* |
| 20:33.33 | h3sp4wn | itrebal: More likely to be exim4-config |
| 20:33.47 | Ein | wc |
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| 20:34.00 | itrebal | ok |
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| 20:36.39 | itrebal | h3sp4wn: alright, that restored it, thanks |
| 20:37.11 | itrebal | h3sp4wn: would you know where the config file goes when its set to *not* all go into a bunch of config. files, but into one? |
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| 20:38.56 | h3sp4wn | itrebal: That is a debconf option I think - try dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4-config |
| 20:39.37 | h3sp4wn | itrebal: Should ask you whether you want multiple files or not - other than that I do not know |
| 20:39.51 | itrebal | h3sp4wn: yea, it does, but I'm trying to find where that file actually goes |
| 20:40.38 | itrebal | h3sp4wn: hrm.. nevermind, it uses a bad filename and it confused me |
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| 20:41.53 | Jetfighter | Hello? |
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| 20:44.19 | lex | Ok... here is a good one: i wanna implement a smtp server in bash for academical purposes. Im looking at netcat for that, but it looks kind of complicated for smtp as its a statefull protocol. Anyone ever tried to tackle this? |
| 20:44.34 | rahul | haha |
| 20:44.53 | rahul | SMTP is NOT easy to implement. doing it in bash will only make it harder. |
| 20:45.04 | itrebal | lex: netcat supports UDP |
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| 20:45.14 | itrebal | lechef: err |
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| 20:45.33 | itrebal | lex: I don't suggest you use bash, something like perl or python would be much better |
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| 20:46.03 | GhostlyDeath | When I try playing a DVD it says the disc is encrypted, what do I do? |
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| 20:46.19 | Maerz | GhostlyDeath apt-get install libdvdcss |
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| 20:46.59 | GhostlyDeath | Does not exist |
| 20:48.00 | Ronin | GhostlyDeath: what debian? |
| 20:48.13 | GhostlyDeath | etch |
| 20:48.23 | GhostlyDeath | 2.6.18 amd64 |
| 20:48.26 | lex | itrebal: I would agree. But this is all academical. The thing with smtp is that its all statefull. You ask, i answer, you ask, i answer and, depending on closing command, i reset or not the connection. I dont wanna implement the whole thing, just enough so that my server talks smtp from helo to the clasical dot in the end |
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| 20:49.21 | itrebal | lex: I know, but its going to be 100x easier to use a different language |
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| 20:50.44 | lex | itrebal: yeah... 'magine i could use python. I bet ya it can be done in less than 50 lines |
| 20:50.49 | lex | or perl |
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| 20:56.22 | GhostlyDeath | How do I install deb packages from the command line? |
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| 20:56.33 | Pinchiukas | I'm trying to make computers behind a router connect to the wow server through a ssh tunnel, these are the commands I use: http://www.paste.lt/paste/2ffb0c6e43426f8a9b11a57622d1d4be anything wrong? cause they can't connect :) I enter these commands on the router |
| 20:56.35 | Rasiote | hi guys |
| 20:56.56 | Knight_Lord | Does rsync assume that 2 files are the same if they have the same timestamp and size? |
| 20:57.02 | Pinchiukas | Rasiote :D |
| 20:57.11 | GhostlyDeath | wow server? |
| 20:57.13 | Rasiote | Pinchiukas, ? |
| 20:57.16 | Pinchiukas | GhostlyDeath: yeah |
| 20:57.23 | Pinchiukas | Rasiote: nvm |
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| 20:57.31 | kupesoft | Knight_Lord: You could always check for your self, I think it compares them via "diff", |
| 20:57.32 | Rasiote | Pinchiukas, nu jau? |
| 20:57.38 | Pinchiukas | jau jau :) |
| 20:57.47 | Knight_Lord | kupesoft I'm having troubles understanding the man page |
| 20:57.47 | Rasiote | mes pazistami? |
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| 20:58.04 | Pinchiukas | irc matyta kažkur :) šiaip sakau lietuvė tai pasisveikinsiu :) |
| 20:58.07 | Knight_Lord | kupesoft it says that by default it assumes that the file is the same if the size and timestamp match |
| 20:58.12 | Pinchiukas | GhostlyDeath: any suggestions? |
| 20:58.20 | Rasiote | Pinchiukas, :-) |
| 20:58.27 | GhostlyDeath | What's wow? |
| 20:58.29 | Knight_Lord | kupesoft my problem is that for some reason I have files with the same size and timestamp, but one file only has zeroes |
| 20:58.31 | Rasiote | o nickas aitvare tas pats? |
| 20:58.34 | kupesoft | Knight_Lord: Then there's your answer, |
| 20:58.49 | Knight_Lord | kupesoft Now there exists the -I option to ignore timestamps (ignore the quick check) |
| 20:59.14 | Knight_Lord | kupesoft But i don't know if with -I it will copy everything, or it will do a checksum of the files and only copy files with different checksums |
| 20:59.49 | kupesoft | Knight_Lord: I'm not terribly farmiliar with rsync, |
| 20:59.53 | Pinchiukas | GhostlyDeath: world of warcraft |
| 20:59.55 | Knight_Lord | kupesoft and this I cannot guess from he man page |
| 20:59.58 | Knight_Lord | kupesoft ok thanks |
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| 21:00.30 | Knight_Lord | Anyone familiar with rsync that knows how -I works? |
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| 21:00.39 | Knight_Lord | Or for that matter how -c works? |
| 21:00.40 | Rasiote | Pinchiukas, koks nickas aitvare? |
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| 21:00.52 | Pinchiukas | Rasiote: toks pats :) |
| 21:01.24 | GhostlyDeath | How do I install downloaded .DEBs from the terminal? |
| 21:01.35 | chris_abyi | hi! I'm currently searching for a good tutorial on how-to install apache2 on a debian sarge system ... has anyone got a hint for me? |
| 21:01.36 | Knight_Lord | GhostlyDeath dpkg -i |
| 21:01.49 | Knight_Lord | chris_abyi apt-get install apache2 |
| 21:02.17 | GhostlyDeath | Knight_Lord: how do I skip architecture checking? |
| 21:02.38 | GhostlyDeath | amd64 is installed but my processor is x86 and x86_64 |
| 21:02.40 | holdenSK | GhostlyDeath: download .deb for correct arch maybe ? :) |
| 21:02.45 | Knight_Lord | GhostlyDeath are you sure you want to do that? |
| 21:02.45 | GhostlyDeath | There is none...] |
| 21:03.02 | holdenSK | GhostlyDeath: then try to build one :) |
| 21:03.39 | h3sp4wn | GhostlyDeath: You can sometimes use --force-architecture and ia32-libs / or a chroot with the right libs added to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 21:03.46 | h3sp4wn | GhostlyDeath: Its messy though |
| 21:04.20 | GhostlyDeath | There libdvdcss for amd64 pre-packaged? |
| 21:04.44 | h3sp4wn | GhostlyDeath: check debian-multimedia.org |
| 21:04.48 | debian_zealot | when dpkg installs upgrades apps, does it remove the files before or afterwards? |
| 21:04.51 | chris_abyi | Knight_Lord: already did so.. but I don't get along with the configuration.. I already added a new file to ./sites-available but I don't get any access to my website |
| 21:05.11 | h3sp4wn | GhostlyDeath: You really don't want to be forcing that really unless you are using a 32 bit mplayer or something |
| 21:05.14 | chris_abyi | in addition, apache2 tells me something about "httpd not started" when running /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
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| 21:06.10 | helo | i've always had to use 32-bit versions of multimedia apps... for win32 codecs i think |
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| 21:06.53 | h3sp4wn | 64 bit mplayer (self compiled) has played everything I have tried (with the codecs from the 64 bit realplayer mentioned on the mplayer site) |
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| 21:07.30 | helo | hmm... maybe i'll give it another shot... |
| 21:07.58 | ma3x | why do I get this ali_stimer_read: stimer is not ready. |
| 21:08.26 | dustybin | has anyone here managed to get zoneminder compiled/installed on debian etch? |
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| 21:08.40 | dustybin | http://www.zoneminder.com/ |
| 21:09.53 | abrotman | dustybin: are you having a problem doing so ? |
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| 21:11.15 | dustybin | abrotman: i tried to compile it on etch but i get lots of errors im unsure about |
| 21:11.18 | Entheogen | hi, does anyone uses baghira theme on etch? |
| 21:11.25 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:11.25 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:12.22 | Plouj | hi |
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| 21:12.31 | dustybin | oh wow i didnt know this! |
| 21:12.34 | dustybin | Zoneminder is now in Debian "unstable" (as of 2007-03-12) so you should be able to just "apt-get install zoneminder" if you include "unstable" packages. |
| 21:12.49 | dustybin | :D |
| 21:14.15 | Plouj | I configured a second network interface on my debian machine, and now I think the router is not being set to my 'internet' NIC (eth0) so when I ping google.ca I get "Connect : Network is unreachable". Here is my interfaces file and netstat -nr output: http://pastebin.ca/395187 - any idea what I did wrong? |
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| 21:16.29 | Spec | On a debian-testing server, I wish to install apache2.0 and not apache2.2, is this possible by using the testing repository or should I switch the repo to stable and draw from there? |
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| 21:17.49 | melodos | anyone know anything bout wine here? |
| 21:18.10 | Plouj | melodos: I know the latest version of Wine! |
| 21:18.36 | melodos | Plouj: do you know how can i install windows apps on it |
| 21:18.38 | melodos | ? |
| 21:18.50 | Plouj | melodos: type 'wine app-installer.exe' |
| 21:19.02 | melodos | ? |
| 21:19.11 | melodos | oh i get it |
| 21:19.13 | melodos | :) |
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| 21:19.58 | abrotman | ask #winehq |
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| 21:20.01 | serialpinguin | How can I tell what socket syslogd is listening on? |
| 21:20.10 | abrotman | dustybin: do you ? |
| 21:20.11 | Spec | serialpinguin: sudo netstat -anp |grep -i syslog |
| 21:20.14 | Plouj | serialpinguin: netstat -natup|grep sylog maybe? |
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| 21:20.30 | Spec | Plouj: what does the 't' and the 'u' do? |
| 21:20.36 | Plouj | Spec: check the manual |
| 21:20.39 | \amethyst | melodos: If you install binfmt support and the .exe has the execute bit set, you can just do ./app-installer.exe |
| 21:20.46 | Spec | Plouj: just wonderin if you knew ;) |
| 21:20.52 | Plouj | Spec: not anymore |
| 21:20.53 | \amethyst | melodos: binfmt-support, that is |
| 21:21.04 | Spec | tcp & numeric |
| 21:21.14 | Spec | errr, u is udp |
| 21:21.35 | Knight_Lord | chris_abyi did you check /etc/apache/httpd.conf? |
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| 21:21.44 | Plouj | humm |
| 21:21.50 | Knight_Lord | chris_abyi have you tryied apache restart? |
| 21:22.07 | Plouj | I see what the problem is, when I configure a second, static network, my first network looses it's default gateway |
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| 21:22.42 | Plouj | I don't see how I can force eth0 to always get a gateway from the DHCP server by editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:22.49 | Knight_Lord | Plouj there's only 1 default gateway |
| 21:23.00 | stew | Plouj: you can only have one default gateway per table in linux, if you want more default gateeways you need more tables |
| 21:23.06 | Plouj | Knight_Lord: yeah, I know. It looks like when I add a static network, I loose that one gateway. |
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| 21:23.22 | stew | Plouj: do you want to have more than one gateway, or do you want dhcp to always replace? |
| 21:23.22 | Knight_Lord | Plouj because you put a gateway line in your static configuration maybe? |
| 21:23.36 | Plouj | Knight_Lord: that's the thing. I didn't |
| 21:23.51 | Knight_Lord | Plouj so what's your gateway after the ifup? |
| 21:24.06 | Knight_Lord | Plouj and what was it previously? |
| 21:24.13 | Knight_Lord | And what are the IPs of the NICs? |
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| 21:24.24 | Plouj | stew: I want one gateway. My machine finds it fine if I use dhcp on eth0, and eth1 is off. If I setup eth1 to be static network inaddition to eth0 being dhcp, then no gateway is discovered/set. |
| 21:24.50 | Plouj | Knight_Lord: read what I said to stew just now. It might clear things up. |
| 21:24.58 | Knight_Lord | yea i read |
| 21:25.07 | Plouj | actually, let me make it even more clear |
| 21:25.09 | Knight_Lord | Are the NIC in different networks? |
| 21:25.16 | Knight_Lord | Can you paste your interfaces files? |
| 21:25.18 | Plouj | Knight_Lord: they should be |
| 21:25.31 | stew | Plouj: and eth1 doesn't have a gateway configured? |
| 21:25.31 | Knight_Lord | Plouj yea otherwise it's illegal |
| 21:25.55 | Knight_Lord | Plouj and your route output by the way |
| 21:26.04 | Plouj | stew: nope |
| 21:26.06 | Plouj | one sec |
| 21:26.24 | Malawar | blah |
| 21:26.28 | Malawar | is there a GDB channel somewhere? :P |
| 21:26.35 | Malawar | i can't believe there isn't one on freenode :/ |
| 21:26.43 | Knight_Lord | Malawar ##c is not a bad place |
| 21:27.05 | stew | Plouj: unfortunately you might end up having to edit /etc/dhclient-script |
| 21:27.56 | Knight_Lord | Anyone familiar with rsync that knows how -I works? |
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| 21:28.22 | Plouj | erm, wtf |
| 21:28.25 | Plouj | now it works |
| 21:28.34 | Plouj | I gotta restart the machine to clear the route table |
| 21:28.40 | Plouj | to be sure |
| 21:29.14 | mike1980 | Hi guys I am running sarge KDE 3.3 I want to upgrad to KDE 3,5 is there a safe way to do this? |
| 21:29.16 | debian_zealot | in aptitude, is there a way to view, for example: a list of just installed packages? also how about seeing these packages without the categories. If it may be done, yes will suffice. I will figure it out |
| 21:29.46 | stew | debian_zealot: there is /var/log/aptitude |
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| 21:30.03 | Plouj | Knight_Lord: stew never mind. It seems to magically work now. My config is and was: http://pastebin.ca/395210 |
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| 21:30.15 | stew | mike1980: check backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:30.24 | debian_zealot | stew, I mean inside of aptitude |
| 21:32.21 | mike1980 | stew: thanks agan |
| 21:32.21 | debian_zealot | For example in synaptic, you can hit "Status" and it has "Installed" "Installed (upgradable)" and shows you those packages |
| 21:32.21 | melodos | and how do i run programs after installed to wine? |
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| 21:32.26 | debian_zealot | oh yes. it does! |
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| 21:32.48 | debian_zealot | aptitude why have I ignored you so long! |
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| 21:33.27 | dooglus | in GNOME, I've got a system monitor applet on the toolbar. it's set to update twice per second, but it's only updating about one every 12 seconds. how can I speed it up? |
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| 21:34.29 | dooglus | it isn't responding to mouse events either |
| 21:35.05 | debian_zealot | I wish I could view a 'flat' package list in aptitude instead of the categories. Can this be done? |
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| 21:36.29 | Knight_Lord | How I replace the contents of a file without changing its timestamp in an easy way? |
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| 21:40.04 | stew | AstralProjection: plesae don't do that |
| 21:40.11 | AstralProjection | sorry |
| 21:40.17 | AstralProjection | guys i have baghira on my etch, but there is no baghira style in kcontrol? |
| 21:40.20 | AstralProjection | what should i do? |
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| 21:45.50 | melodos | is there any other thing for emulating windowish stuff except wine? its crap.. |
| 21:46.12 | AstralProjection | melodos, try cedega or crossover office |
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| 21:46.26 | melodos | what bout cedega? |
| 21:46.29 | melodos | is that good |
| 21:46.31 | melodos | ? |
| 21:46.38 | dooglus | it's better |
| 21:46.42 | melodos | k |
| 21:46.42 | dooglus | but it's not free |
| 21:46.56 | melodos | free? |
| 21:46.56 | melodos | ... |
| 21:46.56 | AstralProjection | it mostly for games |
| 21:46.57 | melodos | i need to run ms office actually |
| 21:47.07 | dooglus | the source is available, I think, but you're not allowed to distribute binaries? something like that. |
| 21:47.08 | zinx | can't use openoffice.org? |
| 21:47.13 | melodos | nope |
| 21:47.19 | zinx | why not? o_O |
| 21:47.22 | melodos | i cant work access |
| 21:47.46 | melodos | anyways |
| 21:48.08 | dooglus | crossover office from codeweavers is probably your best bet |
| 21:48.10 | helo | good luck working around the dozens of problems you're likely to have trying to get office running in wine/cedega :) |
| 21:48.15 | dooglus | but again, it's not free |
| 21:48.24 | helo | codeweavers would probably be the most likely to work |
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| 21:48.36 | melodos | i cee |
| 21:48.39 | melodos | see :P |
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| 21:49.14 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 21:49.38 | jetscreamer | it's not linux vs windows as to which irc server loads first, it's which dsl provider |
| 21:49.50 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 21:50.06 | jetscreamer | hmmm more testing |
| 21:50.23 | melodos | whats the .deb ??? |
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| 21:50.55 | jetscreamer | .deb of what |
| 21:51.11 | Rasa | viso:-) |
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| 21:51.24 | melodos | dunno, i'm downloading somthing and it says .deb |
| 21:51.50 | jetscreamer | wow how secure can you get |
| 21:52.06 | melodos | ? |
| 21:52.22 | jetscreamer | ^ |
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| 21:56.47 | ma3x | hey, what's a good router to get? |
| 21:57.13 | jetscreamer | one that works and does what you want at a price you can afford... |
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| 21:57.41 | jetscreamer | personally i like wrt 54g's, but i've seen ppl say linksys is crap... so no idea. |
| 21:57.57 | jetscreamer | i did have one die cuz of a brownout |
| 21:58.27 | jair_11 | hey guys do you happen to know the file i need to change to make the apache2 beheave like the apache old version? where then root directory will be the "/var/www" instead the weird "/apache2-default" |
| 21:58.34 | ma3x | whats brownout? bricked? |
| 21:58.49 | Knight_Lord | melodos it's name of the packages used by debian |
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| 21:59.14 | Knight_Lord | jair_11 change the server configuration, i'm guessing httpd.conf |
| 21:59.25 | ma3x | do routers normally establish adsl connections |
| 21:59.27 | jetscreamer | brownout is where the electiricty fuxors and your lights get kinda brown |
| 21:59.39 | ma3x | or you have to have buy a combo router/modem for adsl? |
| 22:00.01 | jetscreamer | the wrt54g does |
| 22:00.08 | jetscreamer | read up on others |
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| 22:00.13 | Knight_Lord | ma3x most do |
| 22:00.16 | jetscreamer | !tel McGee -about root |
| 22:00.20 | jetscreamer | nm sorry |
| 22:00.29 | jair_11 | Knight_Lord: nope is not there |
| 22:00.31 | jetscreamer | good i typoed it anyway |
| 22:00.52 | jair_11 | there is another configuration file and I did it on my other web servers but it's been a while |
| 22:01.00 | ma3x | jetscreamer is wrt linksys? |
| 22:01.08 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 22:01.23 | melodos | Knight_Lord: how do i run this? |
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| 22:01.52 | jetscreamer | a ups would have saved the router though |
| 22:01.57 | Knight_Lord | melodos if you want to install it you can do dpkg -i <filename> |
| 22:02.02 | jetscreamer | it wasn't mine at least.. just a bud's |
| 22:02.03 | Alumin | is there a "Debian Way(tm)" for configuring routes at startup? |
| 22:02.19 | Alumin | I was thinking /etc/rcS.d/S49routes.sh |
| 22:02.23 | streuner | no |
| 22:02.29 | Knight_Lord | jair_11 I guess it says on the man page. Maybe dpkg-reconfigure apache2 might work also |
| 22:02.31 | Alumin | but maybe there's a config file? I looked in /etc/networking but didn't see anything |
| 22:02.34 | streuner | /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 22:02.44 | jetscreamer | man 5 interfaces i guess |
| 22:02.49 | streuner | !tell Alumin about interfaces |
| 22:03.49 | streuner | ma3x: i've good experiences with 'Draytek' |
| 22:04.35 | streuner | ma3x: but they aren't that cheap, but reliable |
| 22:04.37 | Knight_Lord | jair_11 you really checked apache2.conf? |
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| 22:06.33 | Langly | is it typical for the system to sit forawhile with just a flashing _ after installing the base system on a slower system? |
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| 22:07.15 | streuner | no, sounds rather you use a wrong kernel |
| 22:07.17 | jair_11 | Knight_Lord: it is something else |
| 22:07.18 | Knight_Lord | Langly it can take it's time |
| 22:07.26 | jair_11 | all right thanks I will check my logs |
| 22:07.30 | jair_11 | thank you bye |
| 22:07.32 | Knight_Lord | jair_11 I beleive it's the only configuratoin file that exists |
| 22:09.05 | debian_zealot | I just found out my monitors max resolution is 2048 x 1536, and I currently run 1024x768, does the video card determine the max resolution I may run? |
| 22:09.09 | Langly | old 600mhz alpha |
| 22:09.44 | stew | debian_zealot: the xserver and your video card colaborate on determining the max resolution |
| 22:09.52 | karsten | debian_zealot: The video card may constrain your max display characteristics. |
| 22:09.59 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 22:09.59 | dpkg | i guess hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 22:10.20 | karsten | debian_zealot: If the card has insufficient memory and/or firepower you're going to be limited in WxHxBPP and refresh. |
| 22:10.32 | jetscreamer | anything gf2mx or > 'should' support thoat though |
| 22:10.39 | jetscreamer | s/thoat/that/ |
| 22:10.42 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 22:10.50 | karsten | debian_zealot: third dimension is color depth. Max is generally 24/32 (actually more or less the same). |
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| 22:11.48 | debian_zealot | The problem really is that this laptop only has a max of 64mb shared video ram on a radeon chipset |
| 22:12.08 | debian_zealot | I guess I will just take it up to 1280x1024 |
| 22:12.16 | jetscreamer | hwinfo |
| 22:13.24 | debian_zealot | jetscreamer, my max resolution is 1024x768 in hwinfo |
| 22:13.43 | debian_zealot | I think thats only because thats what I have defined in xorg |
| 22:13.43 | ma3x | jetscreamer: specifications of WRT54GS says it can share ADSL connection. Does that mean I have to have a separate modem to establish the connection? or the has a phone jack and can establish ADSL2+ ? |
| 22:13.46 | finnbo | does anyone know if there is a "right way" to make modifications to the startup scripts installed under /etc/init.d/ ? specifically I'm curious if local changes will be overwritten by later updates/upgrades to the package that owns the script. |
| 22:14.06 | mo1991 | just got my shiny new firewall up using firestarter - set up my rules to open ssh, ftp, etc. I notice that I am getting slammed from various IP's on port 28459, however, Can anyone tell me what this is? what service is hammering my port from various IP's |
| 22:14.09 | finnbo | I googled around and read through faqs, etc. but I couldn't find anything definitive one way or the other. |
| 22:14.16 | debian_zealot | I want to do a drxx, but I dont want it to screw with my beryl config |
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| 22:15.19 | jetscreamer | it has an rj45 jack for input. one of those dsl filters should provide the adapter functionality though |
| 22:15.19 | finnbo | my end goal here is to change the umask a specific daemon process is running under. |
| 22:15.22 | jetscreamer | debian_zealot: back it up first then |
| 22:15.31 | cookoo | drwxr-xr-x what does the d mean |
| 22:15.42 | jetscreamer | cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bckup |
| 22:15.48 | jetscreamer | directory, cookoo |
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| 22:16.47 | cookoo | i can see the files on the network i just cant cd to them why? |
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| 22:17.31 | jetscreamer | permissions maybe |
| 22:17.36 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 22:18.26 | abrotman | ma3x: do you *ever* ask questions in another channel ? |
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| 22:18.38 | exs | does anyone know any bootable ubuntu cd that incorperates the nvidia driver and beryl/compiz so that you can stick it in a computer (without installing) and have the beryl 3d/compiz experience straight away? |
| 22:18.43 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 22:18.48 | ma3x | abrotman: like what? |
| 22:19.05 | ktos_pl | hello |
| 22:19.06 | ma3x | abrotman: sometimes |
| 22:19.07 | abrotman | like a channel more suited to your questions .. instead of using #debian as a dumping ground for your ignorance :) |
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| 22:19.18 | debian_zealot | jetscreamer, do I have to log out in order to see the newly added resolutions? |
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| 22:19.34 | jetscreamer | restart xorg at least |
| 22:19.39 | jetscreamer | maybe a HUP |
| 22:19.42 | maddash | exs: this is #debian |
| 22:19.45 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 22:19.55 | debian_zealot | thanks, bb |
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| 22:20.16 | jetscreamer | exs: try #kanotix |
| 22:20.18 | cookoo | pretty sweet that i can see them though i got my printing up and running with cups using desktop sharing to control audio on the printing server cause thats where i play my sound only took me 20 hours with nft also |
| 22:20.22 | jetscreamer | or #ubuntu |
| 22:21.16 | h3sp4wn | exs: I think sabayon might do what you want - never used it myself though (and its not debian based) |
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| 22:21.26 | Caelum | how do I tell gnome to use xscreensaver instead of gnome-screensaver? |
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| 22:22.10 | Mark17 | hello |
| 22:22.12 | exs | h3sp4wn: Well, ignore my first message, I meant 'any linux distribution' .. i tried sabayon about 5 months ago and it didn't work, i was very angry. |
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| 22:23.55 | Mark17 | is it possible when i have a certain port (25) to make an alias for this port on an other port (587) on debian 3.1? so all connections to port 587 will be passed to port 25 in the server (like a small proxy server) |
| 22:23.57 | nivanson | exs: why dont you try it again then, angry man? 5 months is quite a lot of time |
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| 22:24.57 | ktos_pl | hello, could you tell me which config files are responsible for reverse dns for irc clients |
| 22:24.58 | ktos_pl | ? |
| 22:25.08 | exs | nivanson: I am still a little angry. I punched holes in my bedroom wall, now I have no wall left.. I am very angry. |
| 22:25.15 | ktos_pl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.54 | ktos_pl | after using for a while a few rules of iptables on multi-ip machine main host for irc client had changes to IP for which I was typing iptables rules |
| 22:26.03 | ktos_pl | i dunno how to bring it back |
| 22:26.08 | mo1991 | can anyone tell me what to think of my firestarter firewall showing constant hits on port 28459 from a varienty of different IP addresses? I do not have anything running on this port and these hits are blocked - just curious tho, what would they be running to keep slamming that port? |
| 22:26.26 | Ronin | exs: perhaps learn self control first then? |
| 22:26.43 | exs | Ronin: perhaps/ |
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| 22:27.45 | Ronin | mo1991: zombied machines, torrent, games, you change ips recently? |
| 22:28.40 | mo1991 | Ronin - well, I just changed from using a wireless router as my connection to having my server (debian etch w/ firestarter) dial up to my dsl rather than router |
| 22:29.22 | jetscreamer | dialup dsl... new |
| 22:29.26 | Ronin | mo1991: wait till you see the ssh attempts then, you'll love that |
| 22:29.41 | Ronin | jetscreamer: ppoe? |
| 22:30.05 | mo1991 | Ronin - I had those before cause I forwarded that port from my router - So I know what the ssh attempted logins look like |
| 22:30.20 | Ronin | mo1991: this could be the same thing, |
| 22:30.26 | Ronin | not seeing more its just guessing mind you |
| 22:30.28 | mo1991 | Curious what this other junk is though - did not get these previously with router config |
| 22:30.58 | mo1991 | Ronin - all on port 28459 though - rather than ssh 22 |
| 22:31.27 | exs | why is sled (suse linux) from linux tracker.org always have over 4,000 leechers?? |
| 22:31.47 | maddash | s/is/does/ |
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| 22:33.05 | nivanson | exs: sled is popular among those who change distro daily :) |
| 22:33.11 | Ronin | mo1991: still could be zombies boxs, game port, torrents, |
| 22:33.26 | Ronin | mo1991: pastebin the log for folks to see |
| 22:33.30 | Ronin | or parts at least |
| 22:33.32 | exs | what does sled stand for? |
| 22:33.47 | nivanson | exs: suse linux enterprise edition afaik |
| 22:34.17 | exs | thanks |
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| 22:34.57 | exs | nivanson: Do you reckon that it's the most downloaded because it's actually illegal to download?.. You know, like a taboo?.. Like 'Ohhh, Naughty! This is actually worth £50 in shops, but I'm downloading it for free! WheyHey!" |
| 22:35.28 | mo1991 | Ronin - how do I do the pastebin again |
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| 22:36.06 | jetscreamer | it just sounds cooler |
| 22:36.12 | RvGaTe | My system monitor just locked up.. whats the process name called for that? |
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| 22:36.22 | jetscreamer | !tell mo1991 -about paste |
| 22:36.29 | jfg | hello everybody |
| 22:36.44 | Langly | I've basiclly got this same thing happening http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/de23c25971208374/2c756d80509d3399?lnk=st&q=debian+hang+after+base+system+install&rnum=1&hl=en#2c756d80509d3399 exepct I didnt load from floppies, system is still at the screen just after loading base system |
| 22:36.44 | nivanson | exs: No, that's probably not why. |
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| 22:36.55 | Langly | with a blue screen and a flashing _ |
| 22:37.11 | Langly | begining to worry |
| 22:37.14 | karsten | Langly: Sounds like a kernel / X server crash. |
| 22:37.17 | jfg | i'd have some questions about the netinst gtk part |
| 22:37.23 | karsten | Langly: Can you ping / ssh into the box from outside? |
| 22:37.26 | karsten | !tell jfg about ask |
| 22:38.08 | jfg | in fact i'd like to know if it use X or a framebuffer |
| 22:38.09 | exs | nivanson: or they think suse is the best because it's worth the most. |
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| 22:39.30 | nivanson | exs: Why don't you ask them? |
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| 22:40.04 | exs | nivanson: too many people to ask, over 4000! they might look at me oddly and I'll get all shy |
| 22:40.15 | mo1991 | Ronin - I pasted it now - http://channels.debian.net/paste/5717 - |
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| 22:40.19 | Langly | I can still ping it, never set up ssh |
| 22:40.22 | VoV | Îòêðûëñÿ íîâûé ïðîýêò, êîòîðûé èñïûòûâàåò ìîäåëü øåñòè êîøåëüêîâ! |
| 22:40.22 | VoV | Áåç îáìàíà,ò.ê. ðàñïðåäåëåíèå ïî øåñòè êîøåëüêàì èäåò àâòîìàòè÷åñêè! |
| 22:40.22 | VoV | Êèíóòü êîãî-òî ïðîñòî íåâîçìîæíî! |
| 22:40.23 | VoV | Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî íà÷àëüíûé âçíîñ âñåãî 60 ðóáëåé(ñîîòâåòñòâåííî ïî 10 ðóáëåé íà êîøåëåê) |
| 22:40.23 | VoV | Ïðîýêò òîëüêî îòêðûëñÿ.Åñëè ñåé÷àñ ïðîéäåøü ïî ññûëêå, òî îêàæåøñÿ íà âåðõó ïèðàìèäû. |
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| 22:40.37 | Langly | and I used ctrl+alt+f2 console ps still shows lots of installer stuff running |
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| 22:40.42 | driven | hi |
| 22:40.45 | Langly | and the cpu is at full load temp, not idle |
| 22:41.08 | Langly | VoV should be hunted down and shot |
| 22:41.14 | mo1991 | Can some help me figuring out what is slamming my port in firestarter log? http://channels.debian.net/paste/5717 is where log can be seen |
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| 22:44.13 | Langly | I wish you could use top from console while installing |
| 22:44.43 | Langly | is there any other way I can check processes AND load similar to top from the debian netcd install? |
| 22:45.08 | WestSide1 | Hey, i have a default debian install with x-window-system-core installed, how can i install XFCE 4.4 on this? |
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| 22:46.03 | kupesoft | Hmm, flash doens't have any volume. Neither does the game Nexuiz. I'm on etch, |
| 22:46.15 | vn | is there a linux tool to find out the wattage used by my system? |
| 22:46.20 | vn | or just the psu.. |
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| 22:46.59 | Langly | open up the PSU and LICK on of the CAPS, how painful it is will tell you the load |
| 22:47.05 | vn | hah |
| 22:47.07 | Langly | just kidding |
| 22:47.13 | vn | it's on the other end of our planet. |
| 22:47.27 | Langly | spheres dont have ends |
| 22:47.32 | karsten | vn: multimeter on the host. lmsensors may give power draw. |
| 22:47.33 | vn | true |
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| 22:47.48 | karsten | Langly: They've got limbs though. |
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| 22:48.06 | karsten | Langly: ... and they may not have ends, but do they have means? |
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| 22:50.26 | cld2 | is it possible to ad an option to the update-alternatives --config list? |
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| 22:51.42 | melkart | is there maybe any known problem about kde in etch, that it takes ages to start up and then some apps within take ages to get to run, too? |
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| 22:52.05 | kupesoft | So how can I get the sound working on flash/iceweasel? |
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| 22:54.04 | FuzzyB | http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux?s=corp |
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| 22:54.23 | FuzzyB | kupesoft: check your dsp permissions and make sure nothing else has taken the handle |
| 22:54.36 | concept10 | anyone know what dotty and lefty is for? |
| 22:54.50 | FuzzyB | in reguards to what? |
| 22:54.51 | driven | anyone up for a game of monopoly at srv256.homelinux.net:1234 |
| 22:54.55 | petemc | man apt-cache |
| 22:55.09 | FuzzyB | concept10: in reguards to what |
| 22:55.54 | concept10 | FuzzyB, they are some graphics apps on my system in the debian menu. Im trying to get rid of them, I dont know what package they exsist under |
| 22:56.05 | FuzzyB | name ? |
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| 22:56.20 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 22:56.20 | dpkg | from memory, apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 22:56.43 | moprilo | hi guys, i was installing debian, and i went through all the menus, but accidentaly clicked on finish configuration |
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| 22:56.52 | moprilo | now the installation halted, and i don-t know how to finish it |
| 22:57.05 | moprilo | i-m stuck with a system with almost nothing |
| 22:57.15 | FuzzyB | restart your install |
| 22:57.22 | moprilo | all of it :S |
| 22:57.29 | FuzzyB | sure |
| 22:57.30 | moprilo | no command like debconf or something like that? |
| 22:57.38 | FuzzyB | reboot and go again |
| 22:57.45 | vn | come on don't be lazy |
| 22:57.52 | dooglus | when building a kernel.org kernel, is there any need to build an initramfs? I boot from an ext3 partition, so I should be OK without, shouldn't I? |
| 22:57.52 | vn | installing debian takes me 15 minutes... |
| 22:57.54 | FuzzyB | they're might be, but then again installing would be the easiest |
| 22:57.57 | jetscreamer | 30 minutes or so |
| 22:58.00 | jetscreamer | 20 |
| 22:58.08 | moprilo | about 30min.. cause of downloads |
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| 22:58.15 | moprilo | (netinstall anyway) |
| 22:58.16 | concept10 | jetscreamer, you have made me install two packages in the last 30 mins, im try to rid myself of apps :) |
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| 22:58.27 | Tobe | dooglus, as long as your kernel has ext3 support |
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| 22:58.52 | jahshua | can anyone help me out with installing libdvdcss? i forgot where to get it from.. |
| 22:58.54 | Tobe | dooglus, and you should be fine |
| 22:58.56 | dooglus | Tobe: haha, good point. CONFIG_EXT3_FS=m |
| 22:59.00 | Smirnov | how would i find out which program is bound to port 25? when i run netstat -a -n, it just tells me 0.0.0.0:25 but not the program thats lsitening on it |
| 22:59.01 | jetscreamer | marillat |
| 22:59.12 | dooglus | Tobe: that means it's a module, right? and so the kernel won't be bootable? |
| 22:59.13 | jetscreamer | 25 should be mail? |
| 22:59.14 | Studiosus | Hi, all! I've noticed my hdd is louder after switch from 2.6.17 -> 2.6.18 (stock debian kernels, but I've noticed the same on gentoo). How can it be? |
| 22:59.22 | karsten | Smirnov: netstat -nplv |
| 22:59.22 | Smirnov | yes mail port 25. |
| 22:59.35 | FuzzyB | smtp is port 25 |
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| 22:59.40 | dooglus | Smirnov: -p |
| 22:59.40 | karsten | Smirnov: ... as root for maximum output. |
| 22:59.48 | Tobe | dooglus, well if I was building my own kernel I would forget the modules and compile everything I need with the kernel :) |
| 22:59.54 | concept10 | crap! i just gained 5 new packages |
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| 23:00.03 | Smirnov | thank you guys! |
| 23:00.10 | jetscreamer | the kernel should autoload the ext3 module when needed i 'heard' somebody say |
| 23:00.12 | Langly | lol the irony |
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| 23:00.21 | dooglus | Tobe: all I'm wanting is to be able to write to NTFS at a reasonable speed. it seems no debian kernel can do that |
| 23:00.29 | Smirnov | karsten: any idea what 'master' would be? |
| 23:00.32 | FuzzyB | jetscreamer: only if it's in the initrd file i believe |
| 23:00.41 | Langly | I am getting 4m more download than I normally do, so I go to check to see if my isp did a speed upgrade |
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| 23:00.44 | FuzzyB | dooglus: your lucky you have write in the first place |
| 23:00.48 | Langly | my isps website is going uberslow |
| 23:01.10 | Tobe | dooglus, I doubt official does any better |
| 23:01.16 | FuzzyB | Langly: check your dns and dns search strings, make sure that the domains in your search string are resolvable |
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| 23:01.18 | dooglus | FuzzyB: I don't know. it's effectively useless as it stands. I could transfer it faster using a floppy disk |
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| 23:01.26 | jetscreamer | man writing cd @4xis slooow |
| 23:01.34 | FuzzyB | dooglus: make a fat32 partition and move your files to windows that way |
| 23:01.45 | dooglus | FuzzyB: I don't have any space for new partitions |
| 23:01.57 | Langly | FuzzyB other sites are fine, its just damned ironic |
| 23:02.09 | jetscreamer | you can use explore2fs to cp the files from linux to windows (in windows) |
| 23:02.16 | concept10 | I have a real problem now.. I am addicted to removing packages on my system and seeing how many processes I can get the system down to and still be functional. I need rehab. |
| 23:02.16 | jetscreamer | works fine here on ext2/3 |
| 23:02.17 | FuzzyB | well i guess now you know why most people outside of microsoft's realm dispise ntfs |
| 23:02.35 | jetscreamer | s/on/with/ |
| 23:02.35 | dooglus | jetscreamer: I use YaReG, but it's much the same kind of thing (just for reiserfs, instead of ext2) |
| 23:02.40 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:02.45 | FuzzyB | concept10: just do a very base install and work up from there |
| 23:03.08 | dooglus | concept10: did you see 'debfoster'? that's good at removing packages you don't need |
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| 23:03.15 | jetscreamer | you 'could' always do the parted thing... but /me doesn't like that |
| 23:03.49 | dooglus | jetscreamer: apparently there was a huge increase in speed of writing large files to NTFS in ntfs-3g 1.0 |
| 23:03.58 | concept10 | FuzzyB, thats what im going to have to do, because I will never be satisfied with un-needed packages and processes |
| 23:04.09 | dooglus | jetscreamer: but that needs a recent version of the fuse module, which debian kernels don't include |
| 23:04.48 | FuzzyB | concept10: if you really want stripped down and work up look at NetBSD |
| 23:06.13 | jetscreamer | i have yet to try ntfs writing... been meaning to, just never cared enough...i have vfat dmz's though |
| 23:06.15 | concept10 | FuzzyB, after 20+ years of computing, im finding out the best tools are the non-fancy, sparse stuff. Less is more. |
| 23:06.32 | jetscreamer | i'm down to 3 hd's.. used to have 7 |
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| 23:06.40 | jetscreamer | small ones though |
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| 23:07.08 | FuzzyB | concept10: until you find out that when you don't have enough when you need it |
| 23:07.14 | jetscreamer | oh hey i should hook that parted out lappy hd up to my box |
| 23:07.16 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:07.20 | concept10 | I was looking for a way to view changelogs in synaptic and its been in apitude forever |
| 23:07.34 | concept10 | is a prime example |
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| 23:07.47 | jetscreamer | 2g is comfy for a bloated minimal install |
| 23:08.01 | jetscreamer | no kde or gnome |
| 23:08.27 | jetscreamer | gd4x is slow |
| 23:09.56 | concept10 | for some reason debfoster never works for me, it wants to remove half of my system |
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| 23:12.20 | dirkson | Hey all... I'm trying to burn an audio cd... I just can't make it go, and I can't nail down a useful error message >.< Help? |
| 23:13.06 | nivanson | dirkson: you will have to specify alot more than that to get help... |
| 23:13.09 | abrotman | burn how ? |
| 23:13.22 | ktos_pl | is possible that debian with 100% full /var partition is unable to boot? |
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| 23:15.25 | hatter | hmmm, a new etch box is giving this error on aptitude upgrade : Starting internet superserver: inetdinvoke-rc.d: initscript openbsd-inetd, action "start" failed |
| 23:15.40 | RvGaTe | just to get things clear... i have my sources on "testing" instead of "etch".... does that mean its still frozen? or am i frozen untill etch becomes stable? |
| 23:16.01 | streuner | yes |
| 23:16.05 | h3sp4wn | hatter: killall inetd - then run dpkg --configure -a |
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| 23:16.13 | fsmunoz | ktos_pl, it's possible... should boot normally in single user mode though. 100% /var would probably make most stuff in init to fial due to temp files, locks, etc... |
| 23:16.29 | streuner | RvGaTe: you're 'frozen' until etch becomes stable ;-) |
| 23:16.47 | RvGaTe | streuner, gonna be a cold summer then :( :P |
| 23:16.59 | abrotman | ktos_pl: yes |
| 23:17.13 | nivanson | streuner: also he will stay on new testing after etch becomes stable too right? |
| 23:17.28 | dirkson | nivanson, Fair enough. I'm honestly unsure /what/ to specify. I put the cd in, I try multiple burning programs, with multiple file formats, on multiple computers, with multiple different brands of CD, and they all fail without any useful error message. They convert to audio cd format, then fail as the program tries to write to them. Looking at the surface of the CD, nothing appears to have even attempted to burn |
| 23:17.49 | Plouj | hi |
| 23:17.52 | streuner | nivanson: well, usually he get some serious headaches when upgrading his packages ;-) |
| 23:17.57 | h3sp4wn | hatter: (that happens due to the change of inetd that is used between etch and sarge - if its not that bug you have hit I don't know) |
| 23:18.01 | Plouj | how do I see which files have been installed with <package> ? |
| 23:18.29 | streuner | nivanson: it clever to just use 'etch' and upgrade packages after a few weeks then... |
| 23:18.38 | streuner | s/it/its/ |
| 23:18.44 | nivanson | streuner: yeah :) |
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| 23:19.36 | streuner | Plouj: apt-cache show <package> | grep -i depends |
| 23:19.41 | melkart | how can i make sure that the loopback device on my dialup system will be started on every startup? |
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| 23:19.56 | streuner | melkart: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 23:20.01 | streuner | via interfaces |
| 23:20.02 | h3sp4wn | Plouj: dpkg -L package |
| 23:20.19 | Plouj | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 23:20.28 | Plouj | wtf, tethereal didn't install any binaries.. |
| 23:20.30 | abrotman | dirkson: they usually give some sort of error |
| 23:20.32 | streuner | Plouj: sorry misreaded that |
| 23:20.46 | streuner | heh |
| 23:21.00 | RvGaTe | streuner, why is it abd to use testing instead of etch? |
| 23:21.08 | Langly | ARRGGH |
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| 23:21.13 | ktos_pl | thx |
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| 23:21.33 | abrotman | ktos_pl: more than few things write to logs and to /var/run/ for example |
| 23:21.45 | h3sp4wn | Plouj: probably be a dummy package - I think its renamed wireshark |
| 23:21.47 | dooglus | RvGaTe: etch is testing |
| 23:21.51 | Langly | On rebooting my alpha it keeps coming back as AlphaBIOS instead of SRM, even when I go in, set it to SRM save and reboot/hand power cycle STILL always comes back up AlphaBIOS |
| 23:22.07 | RvGaTe | dooglus, i know, scroll up for the full story and the background of my question |
| 23:22.10 | abrotman | Langly: can you manually boot it ? |
| 23:22.11 | Plouj | GAH! |
| 23:22.14 | abrotman | !alpha |
| 23:22.14 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
| 23:22.17 | Plouj | wireshark installed X libraries! |
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| 23:22.30 | Langly | from alphabios to srm you have to reboot |
| 23:22.31 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: Testing just after a release I would never want to be running - things can be kept from entering it for a long time |
| 23:22.33 | jetscreamer | google isn't loading for me |
| 23:22.36 | dooglus | RvGaTe: oh, ok |
| 23:22.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: use hotbot! |
| 23:22.46 | Langly | you can fire alphabios from inside srm though |
| 23:22.47 | hatter | h3sp4wn: thx, that fixed it, do u know why that happened ? |
| 23:23.02 | streuner | jetscreamer: broken DNS? |
| 23:23.10 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, so you suggest using etch first, wait a while, and then do a distro-upgrade ? |
| 23:23.19 | abrotman | Langly: i have alphas at work .. but can't honestly remember which SRM/<the other> i use |
| 23:23.20 | dooglus | RvGaTe: if you use 'etch', you'll stay with etch when it freezes. if you use 'testing', you'll get a big update when etch becomes stable. |
| 23:23.47 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: I would wait until at least the new toolchain is in and the full archive has been rebuilt against it |
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| 23:24.07 | dirkson | abrotman, The only non-generic error I've gotten is from GnomeBaker, and its error messages do not appear to be consistant. |
| 23:24.26 | abrotman | okay .. can you tell us just one error ? |
| 23:24.39 | RvGaTe | dooglus, h3sp4wn streuner, will this big update after the stabilisation of etch bring down my system? aka, noticeable changes.. ? |
| 23:24.53 | concept10 | is it generally safe to remove orphaned packages? |
| 23:25.00 | Langly | you cant boot a linux cd from alphabios, it only works for nt 4.0 and such unless you get REALLY tricky |
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| 23:25.34 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: You can end up in the situation where testing is in a complete mess - and parts are not allowed to enter it - but yet some parts have |
| 23:26.34 | zoldar | is it possible to compile linux-modules-extra using custom kernel ? |
| 23:26.47 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, any ideas how long it would take to tidy testing up (IF its going to be a mess), or does this vary per release? |
| 23:27.12 | dooglus | RvGaTe: I don't know. Releases are such a rarity. I've never witnessed one. |
| 23:27.31 | RvGaTe | dooglus, same here, thats why im concerned a bit |
| 23:27.38 | dirkson | abrotman, One of the most common error messages it's giving is "wodim: Cannot load media with this drive!", which turns up zilch results on google. |
| 23:27.58 | dooglus | RvGaTe: I run unstable, and that's never caused me serious problems |
| 23:28.12 | abrotman | dirkson: does the device you're trying to use .. actually exist as aburner ? |
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| 23:28.41 | dooglus | RvGaTe: maybe that's because it updated gradually, day by day, whereas testing will be getting a year or two's changes very quickly, I guess |
| 23:28.48 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=wodim;dist=unstable |
| 23:28.54 | dirkson | abrotman, I can poke it with my hand. |
| 23:29.04 | abrotman | dirkson: that's not what i'm asking ;) |
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| 23:29.21 | abrotman | dirkson: gnomebaker needs you to tell it which device to use .. is it finding the correct device ? |
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| 23:29.30 | dirkson | abrotman, Oh! Going and checking |
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| 23:30.22 | dirkson | abrotman, It's set to /dev/hdb. Checking to see if perhaps /dev/cdrw will work better |
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| 23:30.50 | abrotman | dirkson: in the Prefs for gnomebaker .. it will show you which it is using |
| 23:30.51 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: I would use some common sense - and use apt-listbugs or wait at least a month or two |
| 23:30.51 | nivanson | dooglus: Read the third column at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable ... Thats some serious problems! :) |
| 23:31.09 | abrotman | dirkson: oyu mean in sarge or etch or what ? |
| 23:31.17 | abrotman | eh .. wodim is only etch/sid .. nm |
| 23:31.20 | dirkson | abrotman, Sorry, I'm running etch. |
| 23:31.28 | dirkson | abrotman, *grins* |
| 23:31.45 | abrotman | right .. mine lists the CDRW in the Devices tab under Preferences |
| 23:32.27 | Plouj | how can I remove dependencies of a package which I have just removed if they aren't needed by other packages? |
| 23:32.43 | dirkson | abrotman, Same error with cdrw as /dev/hdb |
| 23:32.54 | abrotman | dirkson: have it scan for devices |
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| 23:33.47 | dirkson | abrotman, It's set to do that on startup, and manual scanning only returns hdb |
| 23:34.24 | abrotman | dirkson: which groups are you in ? |
| 23:34.31 | abrotman | use the 'groups' command |
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| 23:34.45 | FuzzyB | which one was asking about alpha? |
| 23:34.48 | dooglus | nivanson: I only see 2 columns on that page |
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| 23:34.57 | abrotman | FuzzyB: Langly was |
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| 23:35.37 | FuzzyB | Langly: for alphabios/srm issues, track down a guy named HEMI, if he's still around freenode, last time i saw him was in #freebsd, that guy knew all the answers when it came to SRM and AlphaBIOS |
| 23:36.05 | FuzzyB | fort. all the alpha's i own don't have that miserable thing called alphabios on it |
| 23:36.17 | dirkson | abrotman, Clever, never thought of that... Going to check |
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| 23:37.05 | jetscreamer | abrotboy... muhahaha |
| 23:37.17 | dirkson | abrotman, I'm part of the cdrom group |
| 23:37.29 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
| 23:37.48 | abrotman | dirkson: does burning work as root ? |
| 23:37.52 | abrotman | or in another OS ? |
| 23:38.01 | abrotman | !maint wodim etch |
| 23:38.13 | dpkg | wodim: Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> |
| 23:38.59 | dirkson | abrotman, I've done it before as root : ) I was actually juuust starting to try that as you mentioned it |
| 23:39.22 | dirkson | abrotman, same error as root. |
| 23:39.29 | beoba | i encountered an interesting crash in X11 last night shortly after installing edgy to a powerbook |
| 23:39.48 | streuner | beoba: #ubuntu |
| 23:39.49 | beoba | http://beoba.net/stuff/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:39.56 | beoba | er, right, etch |
| 23:40.04 | beoba | (i meant etch) |
| 23:40.04 | abrotman | dirkson: then something is seriously biffed |
| 23:40.17 | abrotman | dirkson: check the BTS for wodim |
| 23:40.24 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/wodim .. see if anything matches |
| 23:40.32 | beoba | this is the config which led to that crash: http://beoba.net/stuff/xorg.conf |
| 23:40.39 | dirkson | abrotman, BTS? |
| 23:40.46 | abrotman | !bts |
| 23:40.46 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 23:40.51 | dirkson | abrotman, Gotcha |
| 23:40.54 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/wodim for you |
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| 23:41.08 | beoba | to resolve the crash, i commented out "usefbdev" "true" |
| 23:41.30 | beoba | (once that was done things worked fine and apparently continue to do so |
| 23:41.42 | beoba | i guess i should spam this stuff to there? |
| 23:41.58 | beoba | which package would this fall under? just the super-package for all of xorg? |
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| 23:44.00 | dirkson | abrotman, Yeah, something's SERIOUSLY borked. I cannot burn anything, even data cds. |
| 23:44.12 | abrotman | right .. check the bugs for wodim |
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| 23:45.18 | maddash | weeeeeeeeee xchat |
| 23:45.45 | dirkson | abrotman, Needs search function. I have to read each of these manually without one >.< |
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| 23:48.37 | dirkson | abrotman, And, as usual, I find myself wishing that bug submission were easier. It needs to have a webform and not require a login. This seems normal and rational to me, but I've never seen a BTS that does it that way |
| 23:49.12 | dooglus | dirkson: the debian bts doesn't require a login |
| 23:49.41 | beoba | it looks like you just submit an email? |
| 23:49.41 | dirkson | dooglus, Aye, that's a point in its favor |
| 23:49.55 | optilab | hello, anyone managed to install etch on a p5w dh motherboard? |
| 23:50.03 | beoba | going out for dinner in a few, but will explore this more later |
| 23:50.06 | beoba | thanks for the help |
| 23:50.17 | dirkson | Aye, it's email-based... But why? You can make a webform to send an email, and then all the emails will arrive pre-formated how they like them. |
| 23:50.19 | stew | dirkson: a form is being worked on, but it will probably just be a different tool to help you construct an email. we would not be so interested in bug submissions from people we can't contact for more info |
| 23:50.48 | abrotman | dirkson: because then you get goofy bugs from all sorts of wacky people .. see DeBuFu contest for examples :) |
| 23:51.17 | dooglus | !DeBuFu |
| 23:51.28 | dooglus | what's that? google doesn't know it |
| 23:52.23 | abrotman | darn well should |
| 23:52.38 | dirkson | stew, This is why you require a return email address in the form : ) (Or, if you're really insistant, ask the user to confirm their email before sending the form-info to the maintainer) |
| 23:52.50 | dirkson | These things are easy, and can be set up in less than a day. |
| 23:53.12 | dirkson | The goofy bug problem is, admittedly, a problem. |
| 23:53.42 | stew | dirkson: excellent. when you get something together and working, file a wishlist bug against the bugs.debian.org pseudo package |
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| 23:54.38 | abrotman | DeFuBu |
| 23:54.39 | abrotman | duh |
| 23:55.46 | abrotman | !DeFuBu is <reply>DeFuBu is the Debian Funniest Bug contest. See Julien's blog for more info: http://julien.danjou.info/blog/index.php/ |
| 23:55.46 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 23:57.32 | abrotman | dpkg: defubu =~ s#index.php/#index.php/?q=defubu# |
| 23:57.32 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 23:58.15 | maddash | !defubu |
| 23:58.15 | dpkg | DeFuBu is the Debian Funniest Bug contest. See Julien's blog for more info: http://julien.danjou.info/blog/index.php/?q=defubu |
| 23:58.20 | maddash | LOL |
| 23:58.51 | scv | defubu? dejavu? |
| 23:59.52 | maddash | iceweasel or opera? hmm. |
