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| 00:00.04 | canute | 600 |
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| 00:00.12 | cusco | what does it say when tring the rsa key? |
| 00:00.17 | canute | which i guess is not too wide |
| 00:00.20 | torrrrr | valdyn, I am also thinking of choosing my application better, to choose slimer apps |
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| 00:00.39 | wols_ | torrrrr: what DE? |
| 00:00.45 | torrrrr | valdyn, I see web browser use handreds of megabytes |
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| 00:01.03 | torrrrr | wols_, gnome - and now I try xfce |
| 00:01.06 | wols_ | all webbrowsers are bloaty. at least the modern ones |
| 00:01.18 | wols_ | so it's not really possible to change |
| 00:01.32 | wols_ | email could could be done with sylpheed-claws instead |
| 00:02.23 | torrrrr | wols_, actually I need some bidirectional support on email... I'll give it a try, but I am passimistic |
| 00:03.09 | Caelum | what's the equivalent of -fPIC for as? |
| 00:03.35 | torrrrr | wols_, but web browsers could be slimer, if I have a few users on the same system each browsing it adds up to something rediculous |
| 00:03.48 | zinx | Caelum: uhm, it's at a higher level than gas deals with |
| 00:03.55 | zinx | Caelum: there's not one |
| 00:04.15 | wols_ | torrrrr: since claws was started by a japanese, it could just work |
| 00:04.20 | thorat | torrrrr: are they running remote X sessions? |
| 00:04.23 | zinx | Caelum: but you're free to write PIC and compile it with as/gas :/ |
| 00:04.49 | mfrisch | torrrrr dillo is thin but barely displays html |
| 00:05.40 | torrrrr | thorat, yes, and NX |
| 00:05.51 | Azar | heh uswsusp got bug |
| 00:06.01 | Caelum | zinx: I'm getting a relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against ... failed when trying to link to openssl, and it's the one .s files it compiled. And on amd64 you can't make a shared lib with anything that's not -fPIC... |
| 00:06.07 | jelly-home | Azar: just one? |
| 00:06.15 | Azar | jelly-home: for now.. :) |
| 00:06.20 | zinx | Caelum: you need to pass -fPIC to the C compiler, not the assembler |
| 00:06.34 | torrrrr | mfrisch, well that kind of negate the meaning of a web browser |
| 00:06.35 | jelly-home | Azar: try using it with a swapfile :-) |
| 00:06.38 | zinx | Caelum: though, i'm not quite sure why you're trying to compile OpenSSL at all |
| 00:06.46 | zinx | Caelum: you are aware debian has that packaged, right? |
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| 00:06.58 | Azar | jelly-home: not me I just checked the most recent reports.. and stumbled into it |
| 00:07.15 | canute | cusco: might it have something to do with the fact that i am not using the standard port? |
| 00:07.21 | Caelum | zinx: yeah of course, this is for something that statically links to it. I'll play with it more, thank you |
| 00:07.24 | itchi | Dillo always interprets Web pages as if they had the ISO-8859 encoding. Thus, it is useless for reading non-English web pages; i read here |
| 00:07.24 | mfrisch | torrrrr people have different ideas of what a web browser is....galeon might be better |
| 00:08.18 | zinx | Caelum: then just install libssl-dev |
| 00:08.25 | zinx | Caelum: it comes with the staticly compiled versions |
| 00:08.36 | zinx | Caelum: as is the case with most lib*-dev packages in debian. |
| 00:08.56 | Caelum | cool, thank you! |
| 00:09.13 | torrrrr | I have opened /usr/bin/x-www-browser and three processes were started eahc with 75MB virt ram |
| 00:09.23 | thorat | torrrrr: I think you're screwed trying to have multiple users simultaneously running a modern standard compliant web-browser |
| 00:09.37 | wols_ | torrrrr: 3? |
| 00:09.54 | torrrrr | wols_, yes |
| 00:09.56 | valdyn | geez, why care about virt ram? |
| 00:10.15 | torrrrr | wols_, just one window is showing though |
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| 00:11.05 | thorat | torrrrr: all running the latest AJAX bloatware |
| 00:11.08 | valdyn | torrrrr: which browser is this? |
| 00:11.36 | torrrrr | valdyn, gnome web browser |
| 00:11.49 | valdyn | torrrrr: epiphany? |
| 00:11.56 | torrrrr | valdyn, I don't get what its doing here, I am running xfce not gnome |
| 00:12.12 | torrrrr | GNOME Web Browser 2.14.3 |
| 00:12.21 | thorat | well, galeon or epiphany, they all use gecko (from mozilla) |
| 00:12.26 | torrrrr | Using “gecko-1.8” backend |
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| 00:12.41 | valdyn | torrrrr: that's epiphany, thats not 3 tasks, thats probably 3 threads |
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| 00:13.04 | valdyn | torrrrr: that's epiphany, thats not 3 processes, thats probably 3 threads |
| 00:13.39 | torrrrr | valdyn, ah. they have different pid, well I guess in linux that might happen. How do you diferentiate threads from processes? |
| 00:15.39 | torrrrr | I mean with ps or htop |
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| 00:19.06 | wols_ | what kind of hardware is available inside qemu? I want to run a DOS DOS4GW1.97 based game |
| 00:19.32 | stew_ | wols_: can you run it with dosbox? |
| 00:19.48 | robin_sz | mmmm ... PDP8? |
| 00:19.57 | abrotman | stew_: is the DB structure of infobot different than blootbot ? |
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| 00:20.05 | abrotman | !tell bismark about away |
| 00:20.06 | wols_ | stew_: I tried. supposedly yes but no luck here so far |
| 00:20.11 | wols_ | it's xcom3 apocalypse |
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| 00:20.33 | mfrisch | wols_ whats not working? |
| 00:20.54 | wols_ | the game :) simply comes back to the dos prompt |
| 00:20.58 | wols_ | the intro runs however |
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| 00:21.21 | arrenlex | What would be the iceweasel development package? |
| 00:21.34 | stew_ | abrotman: no idea |
| 00:21.39 | arrenlex | There's iceape-dev in debian and firefox-dev in ubuntu... where is iceweasel-dev? |
| 00:21.41 | |hron| | how you folks install vmware in debian now? It there some package for vmware-workstation? |
| 00:21.53 | stoned | arrenlex you can find out by using maybe build-depends |
| 00:21.54 | mfrisch | stoned you like Tx? |
| 00:21.59 | abrotman | stew_: just wondering since the ubotu cgi does weird things |
| 00:22.04 | stoned | mfrisch i dunno yet |
| 00:22.09 | stew_ | abrotman: ubotu is supybot |
| 00:22.20 | stew_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.20 | stoned | I'm stuck in the aprtment for 4 days now babysitting |
| 00:22.20 | abrotman | stew_: his cgi says he's infobot :) |
| 00:22.22 | mfrisch | stoned well you are still alive |
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| 00:22.40 | torrrrr | anyone knows software raid? ( I have windows software raid over three disks I need a tip) |
| 00:22.41 | stew_ | abrotman: $(!owner) says it's a supybot |
| 00:22.45 | wols_ | stoned: bought a gun already? |
| 00:22.47 | stoned | mfrisch that I am. on my way to nyc at the end of the month |
| 00:22.56 | arrenlex | stoned: Can I still do that if I don't want to compile iceweasel? |
| 00:23.01 | abrotman | stew_: http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?search=ubotu |
| 00:23.03 | torrrrr | (in order to access them) |
| 00:23.03 | stoned | I went out with eldowan to shoot pool and kinda got into a fight with a redneck |
| 00:23.10 | abrotman | stew: ah well .. it doesn't really matter i don't think |
| 00:23.18 | abrotman | shocker |
| 00:23.23 | krazykit | arrenlex: if you want that, you need the source, not the -dev |
| 00:23.39 | mfrisch | stoned those people give rednecks a bad name |
| 00:23.40 | stoned | arrenlex apt-get build-depends iceweasel |
| 00:23.49 | Azar | stoned!! welcome back :) |
| 00:23.49 | jelly-home | torrrrr: #windows probably |
| 00:23.52 | arrenlex | krazykit: I don't want to compile iceweasel, I want to compile mozilla-mplayer which needs firefox headers. |
| 00:23.57 | stoned | Azar thank you |
| 00:24.02 | abrotman | mozilla-dev perhaps ? |
| 00:24.16 | stoned | search mozilla grep dev |
| 00:24.18 | arrenlex | abrotman: That's for iceape\mozilla specifically. It even installs the browser. |
| 00:24.21 | stoned | or firefox etc. |
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| 00:24.30 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | hey folks stop wining |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | arrenlex: do you know what file it's looking for ? |
| 00:24.37 | abrotman | whining ? |
| 00:24.39 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | who wants real deal |
| 00:24.47 | stoned | umm |
| 00:24.47 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | contact me at once |
| 00:24.47 | stew_ | arrenlex: iceweasel is just a renamed firefox, it has nothing to do with gnu iceweasel. ubuntu didn't have to rename their firefox, so they didn't have to bother with iceweasel (yet) so you won't find iceweasel in ubuntu |
| 00:24.59 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | otherwise keep wining in main channel |
| 00:25.00 | torrrrr | jelly-home, do you think that #windows will have anyone who knows to mount an NTFS software raid5 on a debian etch? |
| 00:25.02 | jelly-home | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr: are you a bot? |
| 00:25.04 | krazykit | arrenlex: you sure it needs the firefox-dev? last i checked, mozilla-mplayer wanted the mozilla-dev stuff |
| 00:25.05 | arrenlex | stew_: I know this. o_O |
| 00:25.09 | stew_ | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 00:25.27 | jelly-home | torrrrr: actually, it might, yes |
| 00:25.31 | stoned | torrrrr software raid is not a good idea with ntfs |
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| 00:26.14 | stoned | torrrrr and there are lots of users in windows channel that are unix admins and viceversa. you will more than likely find them there |
| 00:26.14 | arrenlex | krazykit: It asks for mozilla, firefox or gecko development files. Is iceape-dev still the right package? It depends on iceweasel. |
| 00:26.17 | arrenlex | iceape * |
| 00:26.31 | arrenlex | iceape-dev depends on iceape. I don't want iceape, though; I want to compile against iceweasel. |
| 00:26.44 | stoned | arrenlex and you are using debian correct? |
| 00:26.49 | arrenlex | Yes. |
| 00:26.56 | Eclipser | anyone know if it's possible to force alsa always use software mixing? |
| 00:27.08 | stoned | Eclipser with dmix perhaps |
| 00:27.12 | torrrrr | stoned, why is that? (but anyways I have data on that NTFS raid5, so maybe its a bad idea, what can I do about it, i've got to live with it) |
| 00:27.52 | torrrrr | anyone knows to tomcat on debian? |
| 00:28.12 | abrotman | apt-cache search tomcat ? |
| 00:28.30 | torrrrr | ps I need help with deploying slide.war on tomcat |
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| 00:28.56 | marinosi | hello..Where should I add a module that i want to load on boot?(autoload) |
| 00:29.13 | krazykit | marinosi: /etc/modules |
| 00:29.23 | torrrrr | I also need an explanation why the webapps are installed in a different dir than all the tomcat |
| 00:29.35 | marinosi | if there isn't such a file i just create it and add the name i want? |
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| 00:30.59 | krazykit | marinosi: yup |
| 00:30.59 | spanglesontoast | anyone know how to move home directories to another location |
| 00:30.59 | mfrisch | there's one |
| 00:30.59 | stew_ | marinosi: there should be such a file. are you running debian? |
| 00:30.59 | spanglesontoast | without removing existing data |
| 00:30.59 | rfrank | whats the easiest way to setup latex in debian? |
| 00:31.00 | torrrrr | and by the way at #tomcat they say debian is hard on tomcat |
| 00:31.00 | mfrisch | apt-get latex |
| 00:31.00 | mfrisch | apt-get install latex |
| 00:31.00 | torrrrr | and that I am gona have trouble |
| 00:31.02 | marinosi | stew_: yeap it was my mistake..programmable completion cd /etc/mod[tab] and nothing |
| 00:31.02 | marinosi | sorry |
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| 00:31.10 | torrrrr | no tomcaters here? |
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| 00:32.49 | torrrrr | jelly-home, I have /usr/share/tomcat5.5/ and /usr/share/tomcat5.5-webapps/ |
| 00:32.55 | jelly-home | torrrrr: ... and I didn't use Debian packaged tomcat. :-) |
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| 00:33.22 | torrrrr | jelly-home, ah... so how did you install it? |
| 00:33.28 | juice` | does anyone got any clue, what could be a reason of bind/named not working on 2.6.20 kernel but working on 2.6.19 ? |
| 00:33.35 | rfrank | whats a good graphical latex editing program |
| 00:33.40 | mfrisch | kile |
| 00:33.44 | jelly-home | torrrrr: unpacked somewhere into /opt |
| 00:33.47 | abrotman | juice`: ask #kernel since you compiled your own |
| 00:33.52 | torrrrr | jelly-home, and how did you make it a daemon? |
| 00:34.00 | jelly-home | torrrrr: java wrapper |
| 00:34.05 | juice` | abrotman: nobody there, never |
| 00:34.11 | jelly-home | torrrrr: and a custom init script. |
| 00:34.17 | abrotman | juice`: then use a debian-packaged kernel |
| 00:34.18 | torrrrr | jelly-home, ah |
| 00:34.26 | juice` | abrotman: besides, i used make-kpkg ;) |
| 00:34.38 | torrrrr | jelly-home, and you did that because the debian package for it sucks? |
| 00:34.46 | abrotman | that's nice .. ask #kernel .. or use the kernel debian provides for you |
| 00:34.53 | mfrisch | juice` what does that have to do with anything? |
| 00:34.54 | juice` | abrotman: yes, but what configure option could have any influence on bind/named ? |
| 00:35.00 | abrotman | NFC .. ask #kernel |
| 00:35.02 | jelly-home | torrrrr: it didn't exist at the time... and after that, would be too much hassle to convert |
| 00:35.15 | juice` | exactly... no idea how kernel can have any influence on debian/bind |
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| 00:35.39 | mfrisch | juice` unless something is wrong? |
| 00:36.04 | torrrrr | jelly-home, and how do you upgrade tomcat with this setup? |
| 00:36.17 | juice` | nothing in logs. was just wondering if you know about anything that could have ANY influence on bind, that is in kernel |
| 00:36.26 | juice` | but if there is no such thing then ok |
| 00:36.29 | mfrisch | juice` ALOT |
| 00:36.45 | juice` | mfrisch: everything other works. apache, mysql, iptables, everything |
| 00:37.15 | juice` | mfrisch: and bind is starting and looks like it works, but when i try to resolve any host it just doesnt (nameserver is set to 127.0.0.1) |
| 00:37.27 | abrotman | juice`: ask #kernel since you compiled your own |
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| 00:37.58 | torrrrr | jelly-home, probably untar the new version to a new dir, and change the dir name in the wrapper and in the script? |
| 00:38.25 | jelly-home | torrrrr: hm, can't really remember last time I upgraded it. Would be a matter of unpacking the newer version, moving the webapps and updating the /opt/tomcat symlink |
| 00:38.49 | torrrrr | jelly-home, btw is the script you made available somewhere? (I am new to service script) |
| 00:39.15 | torrrrr | jelly-home, or is it part of the java-wrapper this script? |
| 00:40.19 | jelly-home | torrrrr: not really. Mostly it just su-s to the user under which tomcat is run and starts the wrapper. |
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| 00:40.28 | iamtheric | nima you in here? |
| 00:40.38 | nima | Hello |
| 00:40.40 | juice` | ok i know what was it. iptables. forgot to compile some iptables modules, and only part of my firewall loaded. |
| 00:40.43 | iamtheric | oh |
| 00:40.44 | nima | iamtheric |
| 00:40.45 | iamtheric | hi |
| 00:40.50 | gnat_x | i am running etch, and want to use the experimental version on amarok as it has support for my mp3 device. so i added sid and experimental to my sources.list file, and in /etc/apt/preferences added a pinning stuff for amarok, when i go to pull the package through aptitude, the dependencies that it is then pulling from sid, will they collide with anything that i may already have installed? if they are not pinned will they just default to |
| 00:41.01 | nima | iamtheric, How's it goin'? |
| 00:41.11 | iamtheric | im experimenting wget -r |
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| 00:41.26 | css_11506 | what is the current kernel for sarge? |
| 00:41.48 | Azar | 2.6.8 is the official |
| 00:41.52 | css_11506 | okay |
| 00:41.57 | css_11506 | so no bnx2 support? |
| 00:42.07 | iamtheric | most likely not |
| 00:42.07 | nima | iamtheric, Are you Richard? |
| 00:42.12 | iamtheric | iamtheRichard |
| 00:42.14 | Azar | css_11506: you can do a workaround and get the 2.6.18 |
| 00:42.17 | iamtheric | just gets cut off |
| 00:42.19 | nima | Oh, OK :-P |
| 00:42.19 | torrrrr | jelly-home, ah ok. I am kind of confused. On one hand tomcat is running, but not doing what it said it should when I deploy. On the other hand I am spending to much time to try to figure out the problem... maybe it would be easier to install it fresh. |
| 00:42.34 | css_11506 | Azar: just some apt-get magic? |
| 00:42.37 | Azar | nima, iamtheric this is not a phone boot |
| 00:43.02 | Azar | css_11506: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 00:43.02 | nima | Sorry, Azar |
| 00:43.04 | iamtheric | aye |
| 00:43.25 | css_11506 | Azar: huh? |
| 00:43.30 | rfrank | how do I add a samba printer |
| 00:43.33 | css_11506 | Azar: /msg? |
| 00:43.33 | rfrank | into cups |
| 00:43.44 | Azar | css_11506: that means whisper to our dear bot dpkg about it |
| 00:43.49 | css_11506 | k |
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| 00:44.20 | rfrank | I got cups setup but I just dont have the option when selecting device to pick samba shared printer or whatever it is |
| 00:45.01 | ladrilho | hi, I was trying to use linux-headers-2.6.18-4 but I think it's missing the scripts directory :/ I can't use it without it... is this really a problem or I'm forgetting to install something? |
| 00:45.02 | jelly-home | torrrrr: you can always kill -QUIT it to make it dump stack trace if you're a java person |
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| 00:46.15 | jelly-home | torrrrr: but well, first get it running then worry about init scripts. |
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| 00:48.03 | torrrrr | jelly-home, my problem now is that it doesn't deploy using the manager webapp, |
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| 00:48.46 | LightKnight | abrotman: sent a bug report about the iceweasel crash: #415200. Let's wait and see... |
| 00:49.01 | LightKnight | abrotman: thank you for supporting, anyway :-) |
| 00:49.11 | abrotman | that is a bit odd |
| 00:49.31 | torrrrr | jelly-home, it also start from /etc/init.d/tomcat55 and that sets up all the CATALINA_HOME and other variables, so I am not sure what the final value on these environment variables |
| 00:49.45 | LightKnight | abrotman: what's odd? |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | LightKnight: that it crashes :) |
| 00:50.06 | torrrrr | jelly-home, because maybe somehtng else is added up later |
| 00:50.09 | karsten | abrotman: Increment it. |
| 00:50.14 | karsten | abrotman: ... that'll make it even. |
| 00:50.20 | abrotman | the bug ? |
| 00:50.38 | karsten | abrotman: s/is a bit odd/is an odd bit/ |
| 00:50.54 | gnat_x | there are two main approaches to pinning that i have found. which do people prefer? the setting a cascading preference then specifying the version you want with '-t unstable' OR specifying particular packages that you want from unstable or experimental in the prefrences file. i'm not sure i understand the difference to the two approaches. |
| 00:51.01 | jelly-home | torrrrr: if it's a sh script, you can add set -x at the beginning to see what happens |
| 00:51.02 | abrotman | karsten: not funny! |
| 00:51.08 | gnat_x | which makes me hesitant to go with one over the other. |
| 00:51.11 | karsten | LightKnight: Test for oddness: X%2 = 1 |
| 00:51.15 | karsten | abrotman: ... but true. |
| 00:51.18 | LightKnight | abrotman: #415200 |
| 00:51.23 | karsten | s/=/==/ |
| 00:51.30 | karsten | (that was an odd equivalence) |
| 00:51.31 | gnat_x | i want to have a better idea of this before i actually install a package. |
| 00:51.36 | abrotman | LightKnight: you didn't include very much info |
| 00:51.39 | LightKnight | abrotman: nice bug number, yeah :) |
| 00:51.43 | karsten | gnat_x: idea++ |
| 00:51.57 | rfrank | hey guys Im trying to add a printer in cups - Im almos there - its asking me fora password, I tried my pword and roots pword - neither work |
| 00:51.58 | torrrrr | jelly-home, and from what I have seen all directories are relative to CATALINA_HOME so I don't understand how I have webdav from /user/share/tomcat5.5-webapps and manager from /usr/share/tomcat5.5/server/webapps |
| 00:51.58 | karsten | ... yet ... |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | LightKnight: also .. your kernel is out of date |
| 00:52.04 | rfrank | user and pass http auth |
| 00:52.08 | karsten | rfrank: root/rootpassword |
| 00:52.23 | eleftherios | I have icedove, icedove-gnome-support, aspell and yet spell checking does not work! Any ideas? |
| 00:52.28 | LightKnight | abrotman: that's what I had in hand ATM... I attached the strace, to have more I'd have to install iceweasel-gdb, which is big and (presumably) slow :-/ |
| 00:52.28 | rfrank | karsten, doesnt work :| |
| 00:52.32 | karsten | abrotman: Can kernels find dates in Yahoo personals? |
| 00:52.36 | karsten | rfrank: It should. |
| 00:52.44 | LightKnight | abrotman: I'll update my kernel soonish :-) |
| 00:52.49 | iamtheric | it better :S |
| 00:53.03 | rfrank | karsten, unless I accidentally changed my root password, which I didnt, it isnt working |
| 00:53.12 | gnat_x | hrm, i think what i'm asking might be coming through as a bit vague. |
| 00:53.16 | torrrrr | jelly-home, set -x at the begining? what is -x? |
| 00:53.29 | iamtheric | did you accidently delete your hosts file, or remove the local host line? |
| 00:53.31 | abrotman | LightKnight: okay |
| 00:53.32 | jelly-home | torrrrr: can't help you there, I have no idea about the packages... there might be some tips in /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 00:54.03 | jelly-home | torrrrr: displays on stderr every command before it gets executed |
| 00:54.13 | rfrank | argh why isnt this working |
| 00:54.23 | karsten | rfrank: check your apache errorlogs. |
| 00:54.41 | karsten | rfrank: Should show up as an auth error, possible clues. |
| 00:54.43 | torrrrr | jelly-home, thats a good idea, i'll try it |
| 00:54.47 | rfrank | karsten, I would do so if I knew where they were located- |
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| 00:54.57 | karsten | abrotman: "Show me the way to the next whiskey bar"</sing> |
| 00:55.06 | karsten | rfrank: /var/log/apache* |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | karsten: one bourbon? |
| 00:55.15 | karsten | rfrank: ... either apache or apache2 depending on version. |
| 00:55.15 | jelly-home | oh, don't ask why |
| 00:55.22 | rfrank | karsten, non existant |
| 00:55.22 | karsten | abrotman: One scotch |
| 00:55.32 | karsten | rfrank: No whiskey bars!? |
| 00:55.54 | rfrank | karsten, hahah |
| 00:55.56 | gnat_x | so there is an approach here: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html that suggests i add cascading priorities per version (in the case of the site stable, testing, unstable). then there's this: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/3617 which suggests doing it based on the individual package. is there a difference? |
| 00:56.05 | rfrank | karsten, its actually in /var/log/cups |
| 00:56.16 | rfrank | local authentication certificate not found! |
| 00:56.45 | karsten | rfrank: That would be cups, but check there as well. |
| 00:56.51 | gnat_x | those examples are just the most recent i looked at, and show the two general approaches i'm finding. |
| 00:56.56 | karsten | rfrank: Maybe reinstall/reconfigure cups. |
| 00:57.06 | karsten | rfrank: cupsys is the package IIRC. |
| 00:57.08 | jelly-home | gnat_x: you can do both! |
| 00:57.22 | karsten | rfrank: If there's no more whiskey bars, I tell you I may die! |
| 00:57.39 | karsten | abrotman: You got that beer around still to finish off the verse? |
| 00:57.56 | karsten | abrotman: Speaking of which, do you know how poets get paid? |
| 00:57.57 | gnat_x | jelly-home: ok, i guess i just don't understand why do the cascading thing if apt does that by default anyway? or am i missing something. |
| 00:58.03 | abrotman | karsten: no beer at home |
| 00:58.09 | karsten | abrotman: perverse |
| 00:58.30 | rfrank | karsten, no dice - tried removing / reinstalling, nothing |
| 00:58.36 | rfrank | karsten, rather same error |
| 00:58.37 | jelly-home | gnat_x: it doesn't do it by default. |
| 00:58.56 | karsten | rfrank: That's decidedly non-even. |
| 00:59.20 | jelly-home | gnat_x: if you have eg. all of the stable, testing, unstable repos in sources.list, the latest version of the package will be used. |
| 00:59.37 | diskus | !etch |
| 00:59.37 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 01:00.03 | gnat_x | jelly-home: ok, would you then recommend doing the cascading approach to keep most of my packages mostly running etch versions. and if i do specify the unstable version, and it pulls dependencies, it will use the etch ones where possible correct? |
| 01:00.29 | jelly-home | gnat_x: yup. |
| 01:00.55 | gnat_x | jelly-home: great. that is what i wanted to double check before hosing my system. |
| 01:01.00 | gnat_x | thanks for the help! |
| 01:01.02 | gnat_x | :) |
| 01:01.46 | gnat_x | i've been using debian for 3-4 years now, and i'm still amazed at how little i know about its useful tools. |
| 01:01.54 | jelly-home | gnat_x: there's always apt-cache policy xxx and apt-get/aptitude -s options to see what would happen |
| 01:02.06 | iamtheric | i prefer netinst |
| 01:02.09 | torrrrr | jelly-home, well, it sets catalina home to /usr/share/tomcat5.5/. so I don't understand how it get access to webapps on the other directory |
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| 01:02.56 | gnat_x | jelly-home: i've set most of this up already, i wanted to double check my assumptions with knowledgable folks before i broke something. :P |
| 01:03.11 | karsten | gnat_x: Long learning curve, high payoff function. |
| 01:03.21 | gnat_x | karsten: true. |
| 01:03.35 | karsten | gnat_x: _I_ know enough to break things well. |
| 01:03.44 | gnat_x | hehe |
| 01:04.26 | jelly-home | gnat_x: I wouldn't call myself knowledgeable in any way, but it works-for-me the way I described. ;-) |
| 01:04.45 | wols_ | karsten: so well it can't be made unbroken again? |
| 01:04.47 | torrrrr | jelly-home, people and #tomcat tells me that tomcat is broken on debian and has been for some years |
| 01:04.47 | jelly-home | torrrrr: appBase= in the xml files? |
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| 01:05.48 | jelly-home | torrrrr: It's quite possible, it noone but the maintainer uses the package(s). |
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| 01:06.43 | karsten | wols_: I've managed that once or twice |
| 01:06.56 | jelly-home | s/it/if/ |
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| 01:07.24 | torrrrr | jelly-home, what is noone |
| 01:07.25 | gnat_x | i have found, being self/irc/helpful friend trained in comp sci linuxy stuff, that there are many levels of knowledgable. the things i know i'm knowledgable in. however my knowledge is a bit like swiss cheese, there's holes. but on the bright side, and the other side of the hole there's cheese again. ;) |
| 01:07.58 | gnat_x | err on the other side... |
| 01:08.23 | wols_ | the most important thing is to know principles and general outline |
| 01:08.29 | jelly-home | torrrrr: huh? if only the maintainer it using the packages, it's possible that stuff s?he didn't test doesn't work |
| 01:08.30 | wols_ | for specifics: google |
| 01:09.08 | jelly-home | torrrrr: I'm making too many typos, sorry, time to go to bed I guess. |
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| 01:10.25 | jelly-home | wols_: and what shall we do when google collapses? :-) |
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| 01:10.44 | iamtheric | download the internet to a text file and grep! |
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| 01:11.22 | torrrrr | jelly-home, I have grepped for webapps and found that really it is in xml files like this /usr/share/tomcat5.5/conf/Catalina/localhost/webdav.xml:<Context path="/webdav" docBase="/usr/share/tomcat5.5-webapps/webdav" |
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| 01:12.14 | torrrrr | jelly-home, so that tomcat5.5-webapps directory is not the webapps directory |
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| 01:12.50 | torrrrr | jelly-home, maybe I should create a $CATALINA_HOME/webapps dir? (there isn't such one) |
| 01:13.12 | jelly-home | torrrrr: like I said, I have no clue about the package. ;-) |
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| 01:13.25 | gnat_x | wols_: yeah, and i find irc to be really helpful for general outline and principles, because, as in my own case today, there was part of the concept i was missing. |
| 01:13.27 | torrrrr | jelly-home, do you have such dir? |
| 01:13.39 | torrrrr | jelly-home, $CATALINA_HOME/webapps ? |
| 01:14.24 | jelly-home | torrrrr: yes. For my tomcat installation in /opt/tomcat/tomcat-name-of-app, I have /opt/tomcat/tomcat-name-of-app/webapps :-P |
| 01:14.46 | Ether_Man | Hi. Im currently dualbooting this machine into debian and was wondering if anyone has any idea on why my internet connection is completely screwed up.. I can ping everything, I can open connections to basicly anything. But the ONLY thing that actually gets any data through.. is google.. Not the pages it links to but google actually works :/ |
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| 01:15.41 | abrotman | google owns the intarweb! |
| 01:16.44 | Ether_Man | Well.. Funny thing is.. I cant even reach my nat routers web config.. So not even THAT is possible.. Would seem to be a firewall issue but iptables has flushed tables and still nothing :/ |
| 01:18.19 | torrrrr | jelly-home, well it didn't help, I made a webapps dir, put slide.war in it, restarted tomcat, and nothing has happened, while I understood a webapps/slide dir would be created and it will be deployied in it |
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| 01:19.30 | torrrrr | nothing, well I am going to bed. |
| 01:20.00 | jelly-home | torrrrr: ask the maintainer what was he drinking when he created the package. ;-) |
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| 01:20.29 | pythonic | kool-aid |
| 01:21.35 | enouf | Ether_Man: few quick thoughts .. pastebin output of dpkg -l zeroconf along with output of /sbin/ifconfig -a, and check your /etc/resolv.conf for correct nameservers .. also /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 01:23.11 | Ether_Man | enouf, hm ok. Have to reboot to actually run that so will take awhile.. though nameservers are correct and I actually get the correct ips and it actually opens a connection.. For ftp I can even log in.. But as soon as it comes to a dataconnection.. bam, rock solid wall :/ |
| 01:23.44 | enouf | Ether_Man: just note .. i suck at networking issues :-P |
| 01:26.00 | torrrrr | jelly-home, I would if I had his phone number or email... is this information obtainable? |
| 01:26.22 | jelly-home | torrrrr: dpkg -s package-name |
| 01:27.04 | jelly-home | torrrrr: there should be some info in /usr/share/doc/package-name too |
| 01:28.38 | torrrrr | jelly-home, going to write some email now... |
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| 01:39.04 | marinosi | hello ..I have a laptop with 2 headphone jacks , debian etch and by default only one of them works..How can I make them work both?(using alsa) |
| 01:39.31 | E911 | marinosi are you sure that the second one isn't a microphone jack? |
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| 01:40.04 | marinosi | E911: yes..It is a Dell XPS m1210..The third one is a mic jack |
| 01:40.14 | loesh|home | hi, is anyone experiencing extensive memory leaks in iceweasel under debian etch? or well it seems like its more of an issue regarding firefox 2 in general.. |
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| 01:40.23 | abrotman | is it running with flash ? |
| 01:40.34 | loesh|home | abrotman, yea actually it is.. |
| 01:41.07 | abrotman | sounds typical :) |
| 01:41.13 | loesh|home | is that why the memory usage gets reported on the x-server instead of the iceweasel instance? |
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| 01:41.19 | loesh|home | yea true that.. :) |
| 01:41.27 | marinosi | anybody? |
| 01:41.32 | loesh|home | it actually ate 1.5gb of memory :/ |
| 01:41.48 | abrotman | marinosi: ask #alsa |
| 01:41.52 | E911 | marinosi don't mind that i've asked |
| 01:42.01 | loesh|home | same thing happend on my gentoo box with an actual firefox (not iceweasel) |
| 01:42.03 | E911 | marinosi it's just that uncommon |
| 01:42.05 | Azar | hello again E911 .. |
| 01:42.10 | marinosi | ok |
| 01:42.11 | E911 | Azar hi azar |
| 01:42.19 | Azar | :) |
| 01:42.23 | marinosi | E911: too usefull though :-P |
| 01:42.47 | marinosi | what 's the difference between iceweassel and firefox 2?or is it the same? |
| 01:42.59 | phreqmod | slooft, and over there I think it was more of an Atari/C64 thing, while in Europe ZX Spectrum ruled supreme :) In a |
| 01:43.00 | loesh|home | marinosi, its not the same.. but close :) |
| 01:43.01 | diskus | name is difference |
| 01:43.07 | phreqmod | uh, disregard that, my bad |
| 01:43.18 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 01:43.18 | dpkg | i guess iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 01:43.19 | E911 | marinosi it's like those trekstor mp3 players :) |
| 01:44.00 | marinosi | E911: :-P |
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| 01:44.57 | IamEthos | if I'm installing debian with apache, mysql or postgres and php, which CDs will I need/ |
| 01:45.00 | E911 | marinosi but i thoug these would just be Y-jaked |
| 01:45.05 | E911 | +c |
| 01:45.24 | E911 | marinosi are they really to different channels on the sound card? |
| 01:45.28 | E911 | +w |
| 01:45.37 | IamEthos | also, which CD is links on? |
| 01:45.40 | torrrrr | is it possible/recommended to install RPMs? |
| 01:45.59 | abrotman | yes/no |
| 01:46.37 | torrrrr | is it better to manually install fromt tar.gz? |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | !checkinstall |
| 01:46.56 | dpkg | somebody said checkinstall was a program that keeps track of all files installed by a "make install" or equivalent, creates a Slackware, RPM, or Debian package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ |
| 01:46.57 | abrotman | !stow |
| 01:46.57 | dpkg | i guess stow is Stow can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/stow apt-get install stow Quick Intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. |
| 01:48.56 | phreqmod | Never heard of checkinstall, looks nice |
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| 01:49.33 | E911 | dpkg Your description matches checkinstall |
| 01:49.42 | E911 | dpkg Was used a lot on slackware |
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| 01:51.55 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 01:51.55 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 01:52.35 | asg | abrotman: what are you |
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| 01:52.46 | abrotman | asg: i'm a bot damn it! |
| 01:52.54 | asg | cakebot? |
| 01:53.05 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:53.16 | asg | abrotman: how are ya? |
| 01:53.31 | abrotman | peachy |
| 01:53.34 | abrotman | snow sucks |
| 01:53.51 | asg | abrotman: at least you have some, we just got soggy |
| 01:53.58 | IamEthos | how many of these CDs do I need to install Debian? |
| 01:54.05 | abrotman | asg: sounds like a better plan |
| 01:54.07 | abrotman | !d-i IamEthos |
| 01:54.08 | dpkg | IamEthos, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:54.08 | asg | IamEthos: none really |
| 01:54.54 | asg | abrotman: gives spring training a whole new slant |
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| 01:55.11 | abrotman | snow sucks! |
| 01:56.01 | asg | abrotman: only when you are in the South and dealing with the morons |
| 01:56.15 | abrotman | you think there aren't any morons in PA ? |
| 01:56.22 | IamEthos | abrotman, so if I have the first CD, is that enough? |
| 01:56.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:56.31 | IamEthos | I assume I don't need 15 cds |
| 01:56.36 | asg | abrotman: I'm sure there are but not as many |
| 01:56.41 | asg | IamEthos: no |
| 01:56.48 | rfrank | IamEthos, jus get the netinstall cd, only 100mb |
| 01:56.58 | rfrank | IamEthos, unless you want it to be offline entirely :P |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | asg: i saw a few people facing hte wrong way on the highway tonight :) |
| 01:58.04 | ShakaGoldSaint | anyone knows where i cam find dvd isos of debian? |
| 01:58.43 | asg | abrotman: we had an 18-Wheeler full of toilet paper flip over in the rain on one of our highways this morning; talk about cleanup hell. |
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| 01:59.14 | abrotman | asg: shit happens? |
| 01:59.36 | asg | abrotman: and even provides its own cleanup apparently |
| 01:59.40 | abrotman | ShakaGoldSaint: cdimage.debian.org |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
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| 02:01.06 | ShakaGoldSaint | asg, thanks! |
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| 02:01.32 | asg | s/asg/abrotman/ |
| 02:01.50 | abrotman | arggggggggggg .. my kingsley-rating! |
| 02:02.15 | asg | abrotman: for such a prudish prick, he asks a lot of stupid questions |
| 02:02.23 | ShakaGoldSaint | what version of xorg debian testing comes with? |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:02.36 | abrotman | ShakaGoldSaint: 7.1-ish |
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| 02:10.16 | Azar | asg I saw that in the news on TV .. I was thinking "big ass highway" |
| 02:10.47 | asg | Azar: hehe, there are plenty of big asses around here |
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| 02:16.21 | Fossilet | Is there something similar to rcconf? |
| 02:17.42 | pythonic | hi! i've installed oracle on debian etch amd64 but the database home page server doesn't start. |
| 02:18.25 | pythonic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:19.51 | abrotman | Fossilet: update-rc.d |
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| 02:20.33 | phreqmod | and rcconf also exists, a front-end to update-rc.d |
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| 02:21.26 | abrotman | pythonic: and what ? |
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| 02:33.09 | MTecknology | I'm trying to install debian and it doesn't recognize my ethernet card... |
| 02:33.15 | MTecknology | how do I find it? |
| 02:33.35 | MTecknology | it's asking me what driver i want to use |
| 02:33.45 | rfrank | MTecknology, what chipset? |
| 02:34.17 | MTecknology | rfrank: no idea |
| 02:34.30 | pickcoder | what's a good chat transcripting app? |
| 02:34.40 | rfrank | MTecknology, try hitting ctrl 2, hit enter, type lspci |
| 02:34.58 | jetscreamer | MTecknology: did you type 'linux26' , if you're using a sarge cd? |
| 02:35.06 | MTecknology | jetscreamer: no |
| 02:35.09 | jetscreamer | what installer |
| 02:35.16 | jetscreamer | sarge? |
| 02:35.21 | jetscreamer | try the etch nightly imo |
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| 02:35.28 | MTecknology | jetscreamer: business cd or something |
| 02:35.35 | jetscreamer | but do what they said if you want that one working |
| 02:35.50 | MTecknology | jetscreamer: do what what says? |
| 02:36.00 | jetscreamer | [21.34.46] <rfrank> MTecknology, try hitting ctrl 2, hit enter, type lspci |
| 02:36.19 | thorat | rfrank: did you mean ALT-F2? |
| 02:36.20 | MTecknology | ctrl+alt+f2* |
| 02:36.24 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:36.37 | MTecknology | i needed to restart it for a sec |
| 02:36.40 | jetscreamer | yes he did come to think of it... ctrl is only needed from gui btw |
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| 02:36.54 | MTecknology | o, ok |
| 02:36.57 | jetscreamer | ctrl+alt+f2 from gui, alt+f2 from console |
| 02:37.14 | rfrank | thorat, yes |
| 02:37.15 | rfrank | :P |
| 02:37.17 | MolePrince | Could someone please suggest a good console client that I could use for AIM and Google Chat [jabber] please? |
| 02:37.22 | jetscreamer | that would be a console btw |
| 02:37.47 | MTecknology | jetscreamer: I'm using20050317sarge1 - do I need a boot param? |
| 02:37.57 | abrotman | centericq or bitlbee |
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| 02:38.30 | MolePrince | Thank you, abrotman |
| 02:38.30 | jetscreamer | MTecknology: when the cd boots, if you type linux26 at the boot: prompt, it will give you a 2.6 kernel... but my guess is your hw is too new for sarge |
| 02:38.56 | MTecknology | jetscreamer: I VERY much doubt that |
| 02:38.57 | jetscreamer | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 02:38.58 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 02:39.08 | abrotman | if it's a workstation .. just do etch |
| 02:39.09 | jetscreamer | oh well if it's not try linux26 |
| 02:39.23 | jetscreamer | yeah like i said i would suggest etch anyway |
| 02:39.47 | MTecknology | jetscreamer: etch? |
| 02:40.08 | MolePrince | Also, I am running an old toshibia toughbook cf-27 with Debian Sarge. The BIOS suspend seems to work great, but when I try to come back from it, the screen and keyboard are unresponsive. Thoughts? |
| 02:40.26 | MTecknology | if I use linux26 I can't use my keyboard |
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| 02:41.29 | MTecknology | jetscreamer: what does linux26 do? |
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| 02:43.51 | MTecknology | rfrank: jetscreamer: /bin/sh: lspci: not found |
| 02:44.14 | abrotman | it's not in the sarge installer |
| 02:44.37 | MTecknology | what do I do then? |
| 02:44.53 | MTecknology | idk what my chipset is |
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| 02:45.42 | MTecknology | abrotman: hello? |
| 02:45.46 | abrotman | HI |
| 02:45.56 | abrotman | is it a workstation or server ? |
| 02:46.00 | MTecknology | server |
| 02:46.08 | MTecknology | hopefully |
| 02:46.10 | abrotman | external or internal ? |
| 02:46.14 | MTecknology | ?? |
| 02:46.26 | spldart | Is it normal that after you go through a bunch of trouble to build up a new kernel.org kernel for debian and make the image, headers, etc... but then not be able to build many modules against it when you were successful with deb etch kernel? |
| 02:46.39 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 02:46.39 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.20 is http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 02:46.45 | abrotman | MTecknology: how old is the server ? |
| 02:47.18 | MTecknology | abrotman: one piece is 5 yrs old, another part of it is probably 2 or 3 |
| 02:47.31 | abrotman | MTecknology: and you can't tell what kind of NIC it is ? |
| 02:47.53 | jetscreamer | lspci dude |
| 02:47.53 | MTecknology | abrotman: no stickers |
| 02:48.00 | abrotman | jetscreamer: NOT IN SARGE INSTALLER |
| 02:48.01 | MTecknology | jetscreamer: read my previous comments |
| 02:48.03 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 02:48.08 | jetscreamer | i was afk |
| 02:48.27 | jetscreamer | speaking of... afk. |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | damn kids! |
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| 02:49.01 | jetscreamer | cable... my kids are never home... can you blame them? :) |
| 02:49.03 | MTecknology | abrotman: it's a computer made from salvaged computers |
| 02:49.44 | abrotman | MTecknology: is it going to be an internet server or just for home use ? |
| 02:49.50 | MTecknology | internet |
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| 02:50.15 | abrotman | try the sarge installer with a newer kernel ... |
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| 02:51.03 | MTecknology | abrotman: what's the newest? I'm using20050317sarge1 |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 02:51.20 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.20 is http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 02:51.29 | pickcoder | where is the eggdrop config stored on Etch? |
| 02:51.34 | pickcoder | er.. Sarge |
| 02:51.44 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/eggdrop.conffiles ? |
| 02:51.48 | asg | pickcoder: dpkg -L <pkg> should tell you |
| 02:52.09 | pickcoder | nada |
| 02:52.13 | pickcoder | so I guess there isn't one |
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| 02:52.25 | abrotman | or it's generated |
| 02:52.27 | asg | pickcoder: then check /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 02:52.36 | pickcoder | there's a core.settings doc |
| 02:52.59 | pickcoder | but I don't write Tcl |
| 02:53.06 | pickcoder | screw it |
| 02:53.23 | asg | pickcoder: then pick a bot not written in tcl |
| 02:53.29 | MTecknology | abrotman: no offense, but I'm gonna go off on a whim and try Ubuntu |
| 02:53.36 | abrotman | asg: too obvious! |
| 02:53.49 | pickcoder | asg: eggdrop is written in C, but the modules and config is Tcl |
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| 02:53.54 | abrotman | MTecknology: up to you |
| 02:53.59 | pickcoder | er.. modules = scripts |
| 02:54.13 | asg | pickcoder: fair enough |
| 02:54.17 | MTecknology | abrotman: all I need is a server running *nix of the debian branch |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 02:54.48 | abrotman | (not that i'd stick ubuntu on the intarweb) |
| 02:54.54 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:55.05 | lunitik | MTecknology: surprisingly, no one has a vested interest in what you use here. |
| 02:55.25 | stew_ | abrotman: i'm getting a ubuntu server i admin upgraded to 16GB or ram tonight |
| 02:55.25 | MTecknology | lunitik: what do you mean? |
| 02:55.27 | asg | MTecknology: the problem with ubuntu is, quite simply, that non-core packages are not supported in a security sense. |
| 02:55.49 | pickcoder | gah.. I just want a decent logger that will let me produce html archived logs |
| 02:56.06 | abrotman | stew_: i'm sorry |
| 02:56.21 | phreqmod | MTecknology, probably that we aren't trying to convert anyone or actually care that much on what distro each person uses... to each his own and all that |
| 02:56.24 | asg | pickcoder: |txt2html > /var/www/foo.html |
| 02:56.35 | pickcoder | asg: I need the logs first.. <G> |
| 02:56.42 | MTecknology | phreqmod: aight |
| 02:56.49 | lunitik | MTecknology: We use Debian because it does what we need, we support Debian as a way to say thank you, and to give time to Debian as others have... If you don't wish to use Debian, that is up to you. |
| 02:56.50 | pickcoder | I wrote a smart bot a long time ago, but a drive failure toasted it |
| 02:57.01 | asg | pickcoder: :) |
| 02:57.41 | pickcoder | I may end up having to write one from scratch anyway.. I want an on-demand transcriber. |
| 02:57.48 | asg | pickcoder: time to write smartbot v2 |
| 02:58.02 | asg | pickcoder: and investigate backup solutions |
| 02:58.11 | MTecknology | Dammit - now Windows won't even boot |
| 02:58.13 | pickcoder | I have backups now |
| 02:58.30 | Triona | what package(s) have the kernel modules for GFS, or are those modules not packaged yet for etch? |
| 02:58.37 | lunitik | MTecknology: Debian is not a company, no one profits from you using Debian... if anything, we lose out because servers will be slower... Debian is simply the best tool for the job we use it for |
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| 03:00.04 | phreqmod | Uh... abrotman said that they were paying $1 a pop for each correct answer over here!!! |
| 03:00.14 | abrotman | over where ? |
| 03:00.17 | MTecknology | lunitik: Will you please make this incredibly easy for me and give me a direct link to the most current stable release for an i386 system? |
| 03:00.20 | phreqmod | ehe |
| 03:00.26 | phreqmod | j/k |
| 03:00.29 | abrotman | MTecknology: you already have it |
| 03:00.30 | lunitik | !installer |
| 03:00.31 | pickcoder | only $1? |
| 03:00.41 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 03:00.41 | asg | pickcoder: abrotman is cheap |
| 03:00.41 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 03:00.41 | pickcoder | I was offered $2.50 |
| 03:00.42 | lunitik | !d-i |
| 03:00.42 | intruder_ | people are so lazy |
| 03:00.52 | MTecknology | abrotman: so dloading any other CD won't help me? |
| 03:01.01 | pickcoder | though I was mistaken for someone else.. |
| 03:01.03 | phreqmod | pickcoder, yeah, cheap bastards, you know this "free software" hippies and all that |
| 03:01.07 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 03:01.08 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.20 was http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 03:01.44 | MTecknology | abrotman: can you explain this to me? I have the most current cd, but I need to dload something else? |
| 03:02.17 | abrotman | you have the latest stable release installer |
| 03:02.19 | lunitik | MTecknology: did some hardware fail to work? perhaps abrotman knows that the newer kernel supports what has failed? |
| 03:02.19 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 03:02.20 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 03:02.33 | abrotman | 1.5 years old |
| 03:02.43 | phreqmod | just curoius, exactly what hardware is in discussion? |
| 03:02.57 | asg | phreqmod: teledildonic usb interface |
| 03:03.10 | abrotman | his NIC doesn't work |
| 03:03.15 | abrotman | but he doesn't know what NIC it is |
| 03:03.31 | pickcoder | broadcom |
| 03:03.38 | abrotman | those work in sarge |
| 03:03.40 | phreqmod | Ahhh that. Never managed to get it to work, had to buy the PCMCIA version which isn't nearly as satisfying :( |
| 03:03.44 | pickcoder | not all of them |
| 03:03.56 | asg | phreqmod: a little flat, I agree |
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| 03:04.30 | phreqmod | Is the NIC PCI? |
| 03:04.33 | Azar | asg what version of teledildonic/ |
| 03:04.36 | Azar | ? |
| 03:05.04 | MTecknology | DAMMIT - Windows won't boot w/ the CD drive attached, and Linux isn't recognizing my hardware |
| 03:05.09 | MTecknology | I'm going to cry |
| 03:05.17 | asg | Azar: it's still in testing ... and probably will remain so for a long time |
| 03:05.31 | Azar | aww damn what a shame |
| 03:05.50 | asg | Azar: more fun for the rest of us |
| 03:05.57 | pickcoder | MTecknology: did you complete a install? |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | so get the sarge installer with a newer kernel |
| 03:06.20 | MTecknology | pickcoder: never got a completed linux install |
| 03:06.30 | MTecknology | abrotman: I tried it already :) |
| 03:06.32 | pickcoder | is Windoze on the same drive? |
| 03:06.39 | MTecknology | nope |
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| 03:07.00 | phreqmod | abrotman, is he doing a net install? |
| 03:07.07 | Azar | abrotman: Etch is not ready for server use? |
| 03:07.11 | abrotman | MTecknology: you tried two CDs ? |
| 03:07.14 | abrotman | Azar: not really |
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| 03:07.17 | MTecknology | abrotman: ya |
| 03:07.52 | abrotman | MTecknology: last chance .. get a CDRW .. get the etch installer .. when it fails .. use lspci |
| 03:07.55 | asg | phreqmod: you are poundering abrotman? |
| 03:08.06 | abrotman | no plundering the bot! |
| 03:08.15 | Azar | I guess Etch could do the trick.. |
| 03:08.22 | abrotman | etch has lspci on the disc |
| 03:08.24 | Azar | the installer is even nicer.. |
| 03:08.32 | MTecknology | what is the dif between etch and sarge? |
| 03:08.43 | lunitik | MTecknology: 1.5 years and counting |
| 03:08.45 | asg | MTecknology: 2 years of improvements |
| 03:08.46 | Azar | Etch is about to replace Sarge |
| 03:08.46 | phreqmod | ehe |
| 03:08.47 | abrotman | etch is about to be released |
| 03:08.55 | abrotman | probably in three weeks or so |
| 03:08.59 | MTecknology | ok |
| 03:09.01 | pickcoder | and the kernel is @ 2.6.18 right now |
| 03:09.14 | MTecknology | !eft |
| 03:09.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, eft is Electronic Funds Transfer |
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| 03:09.44 | nomasteryoda | !lol |
| 03:09.44 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:09.45 | asg | abrotman: you did that last time |
| 03:09.56 | abrotman | i know .. |
| 03:09.57 | lunitik | MTecknology: that's about 6 months old and counting.... you wanted 'etch' |
| 03:09.59 | nomasteryoda | hehe |
| 03:10.02 | abrotman | i don't really mind |
| 03:10.09 | MTecknology | !eft |
| 03:10.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, eft is Electronic Funds Transfer |
| 03:10.16 | lunitik | !etch |
| 03:10.17 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 03:10.21 | MTecknology | lol, ty |
| 03:10.35 | lunitik | Edgy Eft is an Ubuntu release :| |
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| 03:10.53 | MTecknology | lunitik: can you tell I'm a Ubuntu user? |
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| 03:12.39 | asg | abrotman: as long as etch releases before early May, all will be well. |
| 03:12.52 | abrotman | what's may ? |
| 03:13.04 | diskus | may is a month |
| 03:13.17 | asg | abrotman: when OpenBSD 4.1 comes out. |
| 03:13.19 | pickcoder | it's also an uncertainty |
| 03:13.20 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:13.24 | pickcoder | which is ironic... |
| 03:13.27 | MTecknology | I'm here - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ - which CD do I want? |
| 03:13.33 | abrotman | the netinst |
| 03:13.51 | abrotman | none of those |
| 03:13.56 | lunitik | MTecknology: uhh... that's the complete set.... |
| 03:14.20 | MTecknology | do i want a weekly build? |
| 03:14.34 | MTecknology | nope |
| 03:14.36 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:14.37 | pickcoder | n/m that was sarge |
| 03:15.03 | MTecknology | abrotman: that's the CD I need? |
| 03:15.17 | lunitik | MTecknology: no, he just pasted it here for fun |
| 03:15.20 | abrotman | use a CDRW |
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| 03:15.48 | lunitik | abrotman: was it as enjoyable as you though it'd be? :P |
| 03:15.52 | MTecknology | abrotman: I don't have CD-RW's |
| 03:15.53 | lunitik | thought* |
| 03:16.15 | abrotman | MTecknology: find .. use another CD :) |
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| 03:16.47 | MTecknology | abrotman: what do I need 2 CD's for? |
| 03:17.03 | MTecknology | I can manipulate iso's |
| 03:17.07 | abrotman | i gave you ONE url |
| 03:17.08 | lunitik | MTecknology: you only need one.... but this will be the 3rd time of trying apparently |
| 03:17.19 | MTecknology | o, ok |
| 03:17.22 | MTecknology | i get it |
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| 03:17.38 | MTecknology | i thought you meant I would need to burn something into the CD |
| 03:17.55 | lunitik | MTecknology: yes... that iso image :| |
| 03:18.24 | MTecknology | lunitik: s/CD/CD\ Image/ |
| 03:19.15 | MTecknology | how the heck am I getting 510K/s :O |
| 03:19.41 | lunitik | MTecknology: the server wants you to hurry and get Debian installed |
| 03:19.59 | MTecknology | lunitik: Finally a server that agrees w/ me :) |
| 03:20.41 | MTecknology | I do have Windows, so if things fail I can fall back and just try to install Apache on Windows |
| 03:21.14 | MTecknology | but I want to quit getting flamed for using Windows |
| 03:21.16 | phreqmod | Yes, that sounds fun |
| 03:21.55 | lunitik | I think probably if you can't get Debian installed, you'd be better off with IIS |
| 03:21.59 | xerophyte | does anybody like the domain name www.linuxbee.org to put all the info i collected for the past few month about linux ?/ |
| 03:22.16 | MTecknology | lunitik: why's that? |
| 03:22.25 | lunitik | MTecknology: it doesn't make you think, or learn |
| 03:22.43 | MTecknology | lunitik: I'm trying... :| |
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| 03:23.36 | lunitik | <MTecknology> lunitik: Will you please make this incredibly easy for me and give me a direct link to the most current stable release for an i386 system? |
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| 03:23.43 | intruder_ | ouf |
| 03:23.54 | maddash | !dash |
| 03:23.55 | dpkg | [dash] a POSIX compliant shell that is much smaller than bash. It is the shell on the debian installation floppy, and is useful for checking whether a shell is POSIX compliant. Also, Herbert Xu's forked version of ash. Also xush. |
| 03:24.04 | abrotman | maddash: have you tried /msg ? |
| 03:24.12 | abrotman | idiot |
| 03:24.23 | troubled | abrotman: evenin' ;) |
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| 03:24.28 | abrotman | hi |
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| 03:30.20 | troubled | freenode still has ip6 hosts? |
| 03:30.22 | MTecknology | crap - I don't have any extra CD's |
| 03:30.52 | MTecknology | maybe i can fina a cd-rw somewhere |
| 03:31.01 | troubled | MTecknology: rewritables are a god send :) |
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| 03:31.35 | vn | troubled: I don't see why they wouldn't.. |
| 03:31.37 | rfrank | Hey guys, Im trying to get cups working - I dunno if its actually connecting to the printer correctly (samba) but I cant find the right ppd file; brother mfc-3240c |
| 03:32.03 | Azar | I am really bad with burning, I never succeeded to burn a CD, I waisted around 20 CDs .. don't remember exactly trying to burn Woody... I was using Nero back in the days.. |
| 03:32.15 | mfrisch | rfrank goto linuxprinting.org |
| 03:32.18 | troubled | vn: was looking for one other week but the host they listed wasnt in dns anymore when I checked. never did check irc.freenode for aaaa though |
| 03:32.36 | mfrisch | rfrank or brother ;-0 |
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| 03:32.54 | MTecknology | can gnomebaker erase CD's? |
| 03:33.09 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:33.16 | rfrank | mfrisch, did that, it doesnth ave a ppd listed for my model - a while ago I went to it, while it still had the old layout and it said to use the ppd for a different printer; taht worked and it was great - now that its different it has different information and I cant find that good old ppd file I used to use |
| 03:33.30 | mfrisch | Azar I think windows could not burn something if it tried |
| 03:33.32 | troubled | cant imagine many cd burning apps being useful if they couldnt erase a disc :) |
| 03:34.13 | rfrank | Also - I found the ppd file from the windows installer but it doesnt seem to work either x_x |
| 03:34.15 | Azar | $55.00 for Etch 20 CDs from Abexia.. not bad |
| 03:34.21 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:34.48 | Azar | mfrisch: firstof all, I broke the original CD trying to use the windows burner |
| 03:34.54 | troubled | Azar: for $55, I could get one month of internet access on cable/dsl and buy 100 blank cdr's and make em myself :) |
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| 03:35.05 | Azar | Then I got a Plextor and installed Nero |
| 03:35.08 | mfrisch | Azar broke it? |
| 03:35.13 | Azar | yep |
| 03:35.13 | rfrank | .. ahh |
| 03:35.20 | abrotman | mfrisch: you probably don't want to know |
| 03:35.28 | rfrank | can I excract something thats compressed with windows cab |
| 03:35.37 | Azar | mfrisch: yea... you don't want to know |
| 03:35.40 | mfrisch | rfrank yes |
| 03:35.42 | troubled | rfrank: ya |
| 03:35.57 | Azar | heck troubled I rather buy it than waste another set of CDs |
| 03:36.01 | troubled | rfrank: im sure winrar or probably winzip as well can |
| 03:36.23 | mfrisch | Azar I burned dvd's of flacs most of them are borked because I had to use xp |
| 03:36.31 | Azar | I got highly frustrated at my inability of learning to burn cds and now I hate it |
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| 03:36.34 | troubled | Azar: use cdrw's or distros is my advice. especially since etch isnt out yet and will change |
| 03:36.49 | Azar | troubled: that what I used man |
| 03:36.51 | Azar | cdrw |
| 03:36.57 | Azar | and expensive ones too |
| 03:37.27 | troubled | expensive doesnt always mean as much as keeping the surface pristine and clean |
| 03:37.38 | Azar | bah is worth the money as long I will also be able to install |
| 03:37.47 | abrotman | use two floppies! |
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| 03:37.53 | Azar | :) hehe |
| 03:37.55 | Azar | cool |
| 03:38.04 | mfrisch | whats a "floppy" |
| 03:38.05 | troubled | abrotman: floppies?! :) |
| 03:38.11 | troubled | sounds sexual |
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| 03:38.27 | Pc_Dark | how do I install firefox on etch, NOT iceweasel |
| 03:38.32 | Azar | the problem is not the cdrw or the money I spend, is "how tf I get to put the iso there" and if say I put it why tf is not installing |
| 03:38.41 | troubled | Pc_Dark: firefox is iceweasel |
| 03:38.51 | Pc_Dark | I understand that |
| 03:39.03 | MTecknology | abrotman: I'm burning the CD now |
| 03:39.07 | Pc_Dark | but, I need to wait until iceweasel is made up instead of auto-updating it |
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| 03:39.35 | abrotman | that took forever |
| 03:39.55 | troubled | Azar: guess I would check the iso's you downloaded to ensure they are ok first |
| 03:39.57 | MTecknology | abrotman: dload && CDRW |
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| 03:40.06 | MTecknology | on a written dick |
| 03:40.15 | abrotman | nice |
| 03:40.26 | mfrisch | I wish usb images were easier to build |
| 03:40.36 | MTecknology | abrotman: done |
| 03:40.39 | Pc_Dark | ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:40.42 | Pc_Dark | how do I get that file |
| 03:41.37 | MTecknology | abrotman: it won't boot from the disk :@ |
| 03:42.02 | Pc_Dark | well |
| 03:42.08 | mfrisch | MTecknology are you using nero for xp? |
| 03:42.15 | Pc_Dark | I just installed g++ & gcc, with apt, I'll see if that did the trick |
| 03:42.19 | MTecknology | o wait... DVD |
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| 03:42.36 | MTecknology | no.. |
| 03:42.45 | MTecknology | mfrisch: no |
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| 03:43.35 | MTecknology | I need to relax |
| 03:43.51 | CJLucas | i feel so dumb for asking this question but what package is 'make' in? |
| 03:44.14 | MTecknology | build-essential |
| 03:44.26 | CJLucas | isnt that usually installed by default? |
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| 03:44.33 | abrotman | no |
| 03:44.41 | CJLucas | ah ok |
| 03:44.57 | MTecknology | abrotman: My computer won't boot from the CD I burned |
| 03:45.16 | Azar | ya same happened to me, burned but the CD won't boot |
| 03:45.17 | abrotman | uhm ... errors ? |
| 03:45.24 | abrotman | at what speed did you burn ? |
| 03:45.39 | Pc_Dark | ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:45.39 | Pc_Dark | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.42 | Pc_Dark | when initiated firefox |
| 03:45.44 | MTecknology | abrotman: just won't boot from it, it get's to Boot from CD... then goes on |
| 03:45.50 | MTecknology | abrotman: 12x |
| 03:45.52 | pickcoder | it's probably still got an open session |
| 03:45.58 | MTecknology | ok |
| 03:45.59 | abrotman | i wouldn't burn faster than 4x |
| 03:46.11 | pickcoder | did you do disc at once? |
| 03:46.13 | abrotman | on an ISO |
| 03:46.17 | MTecknology | pickcoder: you're right |
| 03:46.23 | MTecknology | idk how to change that |
| 03:46.24 | Pc_Dark | does anyone have any idea |
| 03:46.41 | pickcoder | I have no clue what burning software you're using |
| 03:46.47 | MTecknology | gnomebaker |
| 03:47.02 | pickcoder | never used it, but I'm sure someone here has |
| 03:47.11 | MTecknology | pickcoder: i found it, thanks though |
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| 03:48.32 | smacnay | How does one change a var partition that is running out of room? Should I just back up my data and reinstall linux and change partition sizes? |
| 03:48.49 | Pc_Dark | how would I get the libstdc++.so.5 file, abrotman |
| 03:48.49 | MTecknology | smacnay: you could symlink it |
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| 03:49.02 | mfrisch | smacnay what kind of partition |
| 03:49.25 | smacnay | MTecknology: can I symlink a working /var dir to another? |
| 03:49.26 | abrotman | !tell Pc_Dark about search |
| 03:49.29 | smacnay | mfrisch: /var |
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| 03:49.39 | Pc_Dark | it doesn't find it, abrotman |
| 03:49.43 | smacnay | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.15 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: why is FF looking for that ? |
| 03:50.21 | troubled | smacnay: lvm is an option |
| 03:50.27 | Pc_Dark | No idea |
| 03:50.35 | mfrisch | smacnay no regular partition lvm what filesystem...do you have any other space...have you done a aptitude clean lately |
| 03:50.37 | smacnay | troubled: ah, I have heard of it - will need to read up on it |
| 03:50.39 | MTecknology | smacnay: /etc/fstab - I think you can change where your system looks for partitions in there |
| 03:50.42 | Pc_Dark | I downloaded it from the site, extracted, and ran ./firefox |
| 03:51.00 | abrotman | then ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org .. otherwise .. use the debian ones .. |
| 03:51.05 | smacnay | mfrisch: yes to clean... ext2 file system |
| 03:51.12 | MTecknology | pickcoder: blanking a CD at 4x :) |
| 03:51.38 | troubled | smacnay: essentially drop down to single user mode where nothing is using /var, copy it somewhere safe, change the old /var to lvm and add more storage and turn the two combined into a new logical volume for the new var and copy it back and init 2 again |
| 03:51.45 | mfrisch | smacnay do you have space on the drive |
| 03:52.33 | Pc_Dark | how would I downgrade my libstdc++ |
| 03:52.39 | troubled | smacnay: worth noting though, lvm in sarge sucks balls. they broke the ext2 resize.... |
| 03:52.41 | abrotman | you don't |
| 03:52.48 | Pc_Dark | I can't? |
| 03:52.57 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: stop fucking with firefox from mozilla.org .. use the one that's packaged for you |
| 03:53.53 | Pc_Dark | apt-get install libstdc++5 <- quick fix |
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| 03:53.58 | troubled | Pc_Dark: you tried searching for libstdc++ in apt-cache search yet? |
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| 03:54.29 | abrotman | apt-file you mean ? |
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| 03:57.50 | Pc_Dark | it works fine now -_- |
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| 04:01.48 | d4m3ntz | Pc_Dark, why are you using firefox from mozilla.org? |
| 04:02.04 | Pc_Dark | I want to be able to autoupdate, d4m3ntz |
| 04:02.06 | d4m3ntz | if you really need to use firefox, just use swiftfox while your at it, its optimized and you can get an easy to install deb package |
| 04:02.20 | d4m3ntz | Pc_Dark, apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 04:02.26 | mfrisch | Pc_Dark no no it works fine FOR now |
| 04:02.35 | d4m3ntz | but your just making it harder for yourself |
| 04:03.01 | abrotman | oh yeah .. ./install.sh .. so hard |
| 04:03.03 | d4m3ntz | ya but theres a point to where its just pointless |
| 04:03.18 | d4m3ntz | abrotman, is there an uninstall script? |
| 04:03.23 | abrotman | NFC |
| 04:04.09 | Pc_Dark | Seriously, it auto-updates thats what I wanted |
| 04:04.16 | Pc_Dark | And I got the stupid flash player to work now |
| 04:04.18 | lunitik | AFC > NFC :P |
| 04:04.50 | mfrisch | Pc_Dark flash doesn't work? |
| 04:04.54 | Pc_Dark | it does |
| 04:04.57 | abrotman | works for me |
| 04:05.08 | Pc_Dark | I just set the firefox path and boom, easy |
| 04:05.12 | lunitik | abrotman: go take a breather... hah |
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| 04:05.38 | mfrisch | Pc_Dark for i386 its the same version as |
| 04:05.42 | mfrisch | 'doz |
| 04:06.12 | lunitik | abrotman: you should look into RSSBreak or similar... :) |
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| 04:06.25 | abrotman | lunitik: are you high ? |
| 04:06.44 | lunitik | abrotman: not at all... it stops you from burning out........ |
| 04:06.50 | abrotman | lunitik: shut the fuck up |
| 04:06.52 | abrotman | god ... |
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| 04:07.06 | Pc_Dark | installin java now |
| 04:07.07 | mfrisch | lunitik he's probally the type that has voice recognition hooked up to ircsii |
| 04:07.35 | Pc_Dark | is there an easy way to install java |
| 04:07.39 | abrotman | lunitik: what makes you think i want a breather ? |
| 04:07.45 | lunitik | mfrisch: meh, he's cool, and helpful in here.... he just loses his temper too much... I guess he doesn't want help with that |
| 04:07.55 | abrotman | lunitik: only with you |
| 04:08.08 | lunitik | abrotman: and 3 other people in the last 2 minutes |
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| 04:08.21 | mfrisch | lunitik he is cool...everyone gives you a hard time here |
| 04:08.32 | abrotman | lunitik: right .. people don't like something in debian .. go outside debian .. then except us to fix it for them when it's broken |
| 04:08.45 | abrotman | and i didn't lose my temper with him .. but it is silly |
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| 04:09.15 | abrotman | lunitik: you don't actually know anything about me .. i'm not sure how you can judge |
| 04:09.39 | mfrisch | abrotman who cares if you did this is irc not pay per view |
| 04:09.52 | lunitik | abrotman: I was just trying to help... and I've seen you in here regularly for 6 years.... I don't claim to know anything about you personally though |
| 04:10.02 | abrotman | lunitik: you'll know when i lose my temper :) |
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| 04:10.46 | Azar | lunitik got sandwitched... man is your bad luck day today... |
| 04:10.55 | abrotman | sandwich |
| 04:11.04 | Azar | uh yea that what I ment |
| 04:11.23 | lunitik | Azar: today is actually turning out to be a good day.... tomorrow is going to suck though |
| 04:11.51 | abrotman | oh wait .. i think it stopped! |
| 04:11.55 | Azar | lunitik: it's ok lay low don't approach the one with a toothache |
| 04:12.12 | Azar | using the flametrhower? oh lucky you |
| 04:12.14 | mfrisch | abrotman I was going to ask...there's snow there isn't there |
| 04:12.23 | pickcoder | snow? |
| 04:12.24 | abrotman | mfrisch: FSVO snow |
| 04:12.25 | pickcoder | what's that |
| 04:12.39 | abrotman | it was mostly sleet all day |
| 04:12.44 | lunitik | Azar: avoidance is bad... I don't care if she's mad, was in her best interests... but she's not going to like it when she finds out |
| 04:13.04 | Azar | abrotman: come spend every winter here, with me |
| 04:13.16 | abrotman | Azar: that option was offered to me |
| 04:13.18 | mfrisch | abrotman they said hundreds of flights were canceled because of snow |
| 04:13.22 | abrotman | yep |
| 04:13.44 | Azar | bummer me for not offer earlier |
| 04:14.00 | lunitik | Arizona had perfectly clear skies for most of the day..... |
| 04:14.05 | mfrisch | lunitik are you a shrink? |
| 04:14.19 | lunitik | mfrisch: I wear the hat sometimes, does that count? |
| 04:14.58 | mfrisch | lunitik from experiance most people forget when they have it on |
| 04:14.58 | Azar | looks like MTeknology gave up |
| 04:15.43 | lunitik | Azar: or it worked, and he can't be asked to come say thank you |
| 04:16.17 | Azar | Abexia has a field where the customer who buys Debian can donate as well... I wonder if they "really" give the money to Debian.. |
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| 04:16.47 | abrotman | you can give directly to SPI |
| 04:17.09 | Azar | yeah, that what I thought too... last time I used SPI... |
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| 04:18.09 | lunitik | mfrisch: most people are really good about coming back to complain about things still not working |
| 04:18.47 | lunitik | uhh... Azar* |
| 04:18.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:18.58 | Azar | uhhh what? |
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| 04:19.59 | abrotman | he misfired |
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| 04:20.27 | abrotman | hark: i thought you were .us ... |
| 04:22.44 | hark | yeah, it's been a year since i moved here :) |
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| 04:23.38 | Azar | that time of the night.... quiet |
| 04:24.01 | troubled | !criket chirp |
| 04:24.07 | troubled | aww |
| 04:24.22 | abrotman | cricket ? |
| 04:24.36 | troubled | hows is speled then smartass? :) |
| 04:24.42 | abrotman | !cricket |
| 04:24.42 | dpkg | cricket is this funkidelic successor to mrtg that has been optimized by the guys at webtv (a subsidiary of M$ ... ICK!) but nonetheless it's GPL'd, so it must be good. You can learn more at: http://www.munitions.com/~jra/cricket/ |
| 04:24.48 | abrotman | !cricket troubled |
| 04:25.05 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:25.05 | troubled | !crickets is <action> chirps |
| 04:25.06 | dpkg | okay, troubled |
| 04:25.09 | troubled | :) |
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| 04:26.41 | Azar | hehe |
| 04:27.23 | Azar | ookkk abrotman left |
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| 04:29.22 | Azar | so we close another day with 31 bugs left to fix for Etch.. |
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| 04:31.05 | hark | heh, and 68 according to the bugs.debian.org one.. |
| 04:31.25 | troubled | must be a bug ;) so i guess theres 32 bugs really :p |
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| 04:34.21 | Azar | well it might go back up to 34 to end the day with 30.. |
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| 04:36.38 | mfrisch | + |
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| 04:38.00 | troubled | Azar: its ok though, once they get it down to < 10 im gonna through etch on and show em the 100+ bugs they missed ;) |
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| 04:38.54 | foormea | hey all |
| 04:40.01 | foormea | from what i understand by reading the man pages, the clean way to completely remove a service is to delete the script from /etc/init.d/<service> then run a update-rc.d <service> remove ? |
| 04:40.06 | foormea | is this correct? |
| 04:40.11 | foormea | or is this ugly? :) |
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| 04:41.58 | troubled | foormea: you should use dpkg/apt to remove the init.d scripts |
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| 04:42.31 | troubled | foormea: and if you just wish to stop it from running, deleting the init.d script is wrong |
| 04:42.48 | foormea | well aptitude remove or purge <packet> didn't remove the init.d script. (running ubuntu) |
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| 04:43.40 | foormea | oh let me think. "aptitude remove" didn't remove the scripts. didn't check with a purge though |
| 04:43.53 | GreaseMonkey | hey, can any of you help me with a problem that involves installing knoppix to a hard disk? |
| 04:44.00 | foormea | oh no, not trying to stop the service from running, just trying to tidy up my init.d directory :) |
| 04:44.16 | mfrisch | oh no every other distro is flooding!! |
| 04:44.58 | Azar | troubled: haha |
| 04:45.00 | GreaseMonkey | well, #knoppix is empty and knoppix is debain-based... |
| 04:45.07 | foormea | ah, sorry, i thought that since this problem should be very similar if not totally the same between ubuntu and debian, i'd come here |
| 04:45.33 | Azar | troubled: I would not be surprised though, tomorrow/today is saturday lots of people at home ... might find more bugs |
| 04:45.59 | Azar | GreaseMonkey: we don't know cheese about knoppix |
| 04:46.22 | troubled | Azar: well, after using sarge for a bit i started to realise that soo many bugs were left and things broke it probably was released premature. i highly doubt etch will be much different |
| 04:46.32 | Azar | foormea: same goes for ubuntu |
| 04:46.43 | GreaseMonkey | bummer |
| 04:47.03 | Azar | GreaseMonkey: ya man my brain is too small for more than one distro |
| 04:47.16 | GreaseMonkey | well, would you at least know a little bit about lilo.conf, fstab, or mtab? |
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| 04:47.49 | Azar | I can give you the debian books to screw your distro? |
| 04:47.54 | foormea | Azar, ok sorry then |
| 04:48.36 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals << |
| 04:49.24 | GreaseMonkey | yeah, perhaps |
| 04:49.32 | GreaseMonkey | worth a crack |
| 04:50.20 | mfrisch | heaven forbid you look at ubuntu's |
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| 04:53.32 | liquidfx | GreaseMonkey: what's the problem? |
| 04:53.59 | liquidfx | i don't know much but maybe i can help you |
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| 04:54.39 | yell0w | hey guys, i know this's a long shot, but after doing mk2fs e2fsck , is it still possible to recover data from a partition ? |
| 04:54.46 | GreaseMonkey | um, i tried a manual hard-drive install for knoppix, but it thinks it's "corrupted", and i only have one tty, and no X display |
| 04:55.21 | karsten | GreaseMonkey: What's a manual HD install? Why do you think it's corrupted? What's in /etc/inittab WRT gettys? |
| 04:55.31 | karsten | GreaseMonkey: ... and are you in single-user mode at boot by chance? |
| 04:55.45 | GreaseMonkey | yes |
| 04:55.45 | karsten | GreaseMonkey: 'runlevel' should tell you the last. |
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| 04:55.47 | GreaseMonkey | wait |
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| 04:56.00 | GreaseMonkey | i tried bumping it into runlevel 2 |
| 04:56.06 | GreaseMonkey | in my lilo.conf |
| 04:56.09 | karsten | GreaseMonkey: Well, single-user mode is one TTY and no X. You'll want to install X. |
| 04:56.14 | ravigehlot | If asked between Sendmail, Postfix or QMAIL which one would you choose and why? |
| 04:56.15 | GreaseMonkey | like: append="2 ........" |
| 04:56.22 | karsten | GreaseMonkey: 'exit' should put you at your default runlevel. |
| 04:56.23 | foormea | bye |
| 04:56.31 | GreaseMonkey | how do i jump to runlevel 2 again? |
| 04:56.37 | karsten | ravigehlot: Postfix 'coaz that's what the chicks dig. |
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| 04:56.42 | karsten | GreaseMonkey: 'exit' or 'init 2' |
| 04:56.45 | GreaseMonkey | k |
| 04:56.47 | ravigehlot | karsten: o |
| 04:56.49 | ravigehlot | karsten: ok |
| 04:57.00 | DocPlatypus | when running aptitude from the command line and you get a media change prompt, how do you just abort or blow past it so the package can be downloaded from the net? |
| 04:57.12 | karsten | ravigehlot: Seriously: exim4 or postfix. qmail is ass. Sendmail is a fucking pain. Oh, and qmail's also a fucking pain. |
| 04:57.24 | GreaseMonkey | fsck cannot detect the superblock, but i can still access my stuff. |
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| 04:57.33 | DocPlatypus | it's not Control-C, that quits everything without installing |
| 04:57.34 | ravigehlot | karsten: thanks |
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| 04:58.28 | DocPlatypus | I know when doing an install in curses mode you can just tab over to "ignore" |
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| 04:59.16 | ravigehlot | karsten: Is Postfix LDAP enabled? |
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| 05:01.58 | Esteban | hi people.. if I install a package and later decide to uninstall it will that also uninstall packages this package depended on but not used anymore? |
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| 05:02.38 | hark | if you use aptitude to install it |
| 05:05.12 | WALoeIII | When I login there is some motd/login script running that is supposed to check my mail. Its clearly checking /var/spool since it ALWAYS says no mail. First, I don't use mbox @ /var/spool I am using Maildir's in ~/Maildir/ and second, I don't even want this check here since I'm currently just relaying my mail to gmail. How can I stop the madness! I've checked /etc/login.defs and now I think pam has more responsibilities and I've checked /etc/pam.d/login |
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| 05:11.03 | karsten | DocPlatypus: WTF are you installing from media for? |
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| 05:11.40 | DocPlatypus | karsten: we're not. I installed from a netinst CD image burned to a CD-RW |
| 05:11.56 | DocPlatypus | and aptitude wanted the damn thing |
| 05:12.00 | karsten | DocPlatypus: comment the cdrom lines from your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:12.14 | DocPlatypus | karsten: I've done that but in the future, how do I just blow past the prompt? |
| 05:12.15 | karsten | DocPlatypus: ... or just delete 'em. You'll never use 'em again. |
| 05:12.24 | karsten | DocPlatypus: You won't see it. |
| 05:13.29 | DocPlatypus | karsten: the problem was that I was talking to him over the phone (I'm logged into the laptop remotely from ~25 miles away) |
| 05:14.21 | DocPlatypus | in the future, if in this situation, I'd like to know how to just blow past the prompt instead of editing sources.list. I really dread try to explain to this friend of mine how to edit sources.list to get past this when I don't have remote access to do it myself |
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| 05:15.16 | xscfg | i'm having problems with network in mepis. |
| 05:15.41 | xscfg | anyone can help? |
| 05:16.02 | DocPlatypus | I'm tempted to report it as a bug that the cdrom is added to sources.list from a network install... since "you never will use it again" |
| 05:16.09 | DocPlatypus | to me, that's a release critical bug |
| 05:16.24 | DocPlatypus | especially given there's no easy way to blow past the prompt in one mode of aptitude |
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| 05:29.06 | GreaseMonkey | general linux question: how do you get the mouse working when it isn't |
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| 05:30.28 | Wettoad | X or the console? |
| 05:30.28 | seekTruth | hi |
| 05:30.28 | Wettoad | GreaseMonkey: ? |
| 05:30.28 | GreaseMonkey | um, for X |
| 05:30.28 | seekTruth | I'm going crazy. I have an A8N32-SLI Deluxe ASUS MB /w an SATA drive. The stock kernel works fine, but when I try to compile a new kernel it says "Please append a correct "root=" boot option" |
| 05:30.28 | Wettoad | GreaseMonkey: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:30.29 | seekTruth | I'm sure it has something to do with the nvidia sata driver, but I have it included inside the kernel, so it should work fine |
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| 05:30.29 | GreaseMonkey | ..... |
| 05:30.29 | GreaseMonkey | just a mo |
| 05:30.30 | Wettoad | seekTruth: grub is setup wrong |
| 05:30.30 | Sazpaimon | I'm not sure where else to ask this, so I'm asking the linux channel I frequent most |
| 05:30.45 | eazy | or XF86-Config |
| 05:31.02 | Sazpaimon | I'm trying to access an ftp server via an ssh tunnel, because it only allows connections via a certain IP. It connects, but I can't do anything. I keep getting a "Security: Bad IP connecting." message |
| 05:31.45 | seekTruth | Wettoad: well, do I need an initrd? because that is missing too |
| 05:32.15 | Wettoad | seekTruth: no, if you compile sata and your filesystem drivers into the kernel |
| 05:32.17 | seekTruth | Wettoad: I do an mkinitrd -o on my new kernel and it never makes it |
| 05:32.23 | seekTruth | ok |
| 05:32.32 | Wettoad | seekTruth: they cannot be modules |
| 05:32.43 | GreaseMonkey | ok, ive opened the file even though its named differently |
| 05:33.04 | Wettoad | seekTruth: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 05:33.23 | Wettoad | seekTruth: the make-kpkg kernel_image in the kernel directory |
| 05:33.35 | seekTruth | Wettoad: The reason I've tried to recompile is because it's an AMD x2 |
| 05:33.38 | Wettoad | the==then |
| 05:34.32 | Wettoad | seekTruth: Its a godd thing to learn how to do, but its not necessary.. |
| 05:34.35 | GreaseMonkey | hmmm... im not sure whats wrong with it... theres a 'pointer' section |
| 05:34.39 | seekTruth | okay |
| 05:34.50 | GreaseMonkey | grrr stupid qwertz kezboard mapping |
| 05:34.53 | Wettoad | seekTruth: You can also use apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7-smp |
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| 05:35.25 | Wettoad | GreaseMonkey: paste it to #paste |
| 05:35.36 | seekTruth | ok |
| 05:35.36 | GreaseMonkey | k |
| 05:37.27 | Sazpaimon | anyone? |
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| 05:38.01 | Wettoad | Sazpaimon: you're running ssh -N -L 21:ftpserver:21 username@sshserver ? |
| 05:38.13 | Wettoad | Sazpaimon: If so then ftp to the localhost |
| 05:38.16 | Sazpaimon | kind of |
| 05:38.23 | Sazpaimon | I'm making an ssh tunnel via putty |
| 05:38.26 | Wettoad | but I think you need a reverse tunnel as well for ftp on port 22 |
| 05:38.28 | Sazpaimon | which iirc does the same thing |
| 05:38.36 | Wettoad | Sazpaimon: yes it does |
| 05:38.47 | Sazpaimon | reverse tunnel? |
| 05:38.54 | Wettoad | so open you favorite ftp prog and connect ot localhost |
| 05:39.00 | Sazpaimon | I did |
| 05:39.05 | Sazpaimon | I get that error when I try to list |
| 05:39.13 | Sazpaimon | "Security: Bad IP connecting." |
| 05:39.51 | Sazpaimon | and it only connects in PASV mode, which is to be expected |
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| 05:41.22 | Wettoad | Sazpaimon: You need port 21 in both directions |
| 05:41.40 | Sazpaimon | so the local port needs to be 21 as well as the remote port? |
| 05:41.44 | Wettoad | so there should be 2 forwards setup in putty, one should have the reverse setting checked |
| 05:41.49 | Wettoad | both should be on 21 |
| 05:41.54 | Wettoad | correct |
| 05:42.47 | Sazpaimon | keep it in PASV mode, right? |
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| 05:43.54 | Wettoad | Sazpaimon: not sure about PASZ, but probably |
| 05:44.03 | Sazpaimon | hm |
| 05:44.07 | Sazpaimon | I'm getting the same message.. |
| 05:44.23 | Sazpaimon | let me check if my setup is right |
| 05:45.44 | Sazpaimon | Wettoad, http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7695/backupcq7.png |
| 05:45.52 | Sazpaimon | is this correct? |
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| 05:47.17 | Wettoad | Sazpaimon: yeah that looks right |
| 05:47.26 | Wettoad | you might add 2 more for port 22 as well |
| 05:47.59 | Wettoad | otherwise i am ot of ideas |
| 05:48.46 | Sazpaimon | same error |
| 05:48.55 | Sazpaimon | :/ |
| 05:49.04 | Wettoad | downlaod wireshark and trace the connection.... |
| 05:49.18 | TraceGreen | Hello, Can anybody help me? How can i get serial number for sata harddisk? |
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| 05:51.12 | grendal_prime | regex grrrrrrrrrr |
| 05:51.34 | grendal_prime | can somebody help me with this? |
| 05:52.31 | grendal_prime | i have this harvester thing for pulling data from a webpage, but unforuanatly this pregmatch is not working because there is a hardreturn in here somewhere. |
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| 05:54.52 | Inc | is their a superuseradd program for debian? |
| 05:55.51 | Wettoad | Inc: waht are you trying to do? |
| 05:56.26 | Inc | Wettoad: I just like adding users via superadduser |
| 05:56.36 | Inc | I used it when I was on gentoo |
| 05:56.55 | Inc | http://gentoo.linuxhowtos.org/superadduser/ |
| 05:57.00 | Wettoad | Inc: I don't know of one, try google or apt-cache search |
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| 05:57.27 | GreaseMonkey | ok, that didn't work :\ |
| 05:57.34 | GreaseMonkey | mouse still useless |
| 05:57.40 | Gokee2 | Is there any way to setup a local apt-get mirror that downloades on demand? Eg it only gets files its asked for or its told to go get, and even better once its been asked for a program always keep a up to date version around. |
| 05:58.36 | Wettoad | Inc: man useradd and man adduser |
| 05:59.11 | Wettoad | Gokee2: apt-get install apt-proxy |
| 05:59.32 | Inc | Wettoad: yeah, I know how to do useradd and adduser |
| 05:59.38 | Inc | but superadduser made shit easy =) |
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| 06:00.29 | Wettoad | GreaseMonkey: You'll just need to figure out the protocol, and I don't have much experience with it |
| 06:00.42 | Wettoad | GreaseMonkey: you can test the mouse is working by runing cat /dev/mouse |
| 06:00.45 | GreaseMonkey | ok |
| 06:00.48 | GreaseMonkey | righty |
| 06:01.16 | GreaseMonkey | FOUND IT! |
| 06:01.40 | GreaseMonkey | how do you allow any user to use the mouse? |
| 06:01.56 | Wettoad | GreaseMonkey: they should be able to out of the box |
| 06:02.14 | Wettoad | GreaseMonkey: if not check the owner:group of /dev/mouse |
| 06:02.21 | GreaseMonkey | k |
| 06:02.26 | Wettoad | and make sure your in the group or chmod 777 /dev/mouse |
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| 06:07.31 | Gokee2 | Wettoad, Will this use the pkgs I already have downloaded on this computer? Can I redownload a pkg that was cleaned without connecting a client? The man page was very small |
| 06:09.29 | Wettoad | Gokee2: I have never used it, just know of ti |
| 06:09.34 | Wettoad | sorry |
| 06:09.41 | Gokee2 | Wettoad, Ah ok |
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| 06:17.03 | Victor``` | My hard drive's MBR is gone. |
| 06:17.43 | markybob | that stinks |
| 06:17.54 | Wettoad | !tell Victor``` -about fixmbr |
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| 06:18.25 | Victor``` | Wettoad: problem is that the entire partition table is gone |
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| 06:22.24 | gloin | hey, question about LVM on an etch box |
| 06:26.26 | Gokee2 | apt-proxy seems to have stoped being updated |
| 06:26.27 | Gokee2 | it has the same version in testing and unstable |
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| 06:26.35 | Gokee2 | and the page lists there irc chan at a server that is gone |
| 06:26.38 | markybob | Gokee2, that means jack. most things are the same in unstable as stable |
| 06:26.44 | markybob | s/stable/testing |
| 06:26.48 | markybob | my bad |
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| 06:27.08 | Gokee2 | hmm |
| 06:27.13 | GreaseMonkey | hey, what string do i punch into the Pointer->Protocol field in my XF86Config file? |
| 06:27.18 | GreaseMonkey | well, what can i? |
| 06:27.36 | GreaseMonkey | cos it doesn't seem to react to the scroll wheel |
| 06:27.43 | mike-kayaker | What is an easy way to install atheros drivers? |
| 06:27.47 | mike-kayaker | noooob |
| 06:28.02 | markybob | GreaseMonkey, most people use auto |
| 06:28.13 | GreaseMonkey | ok |
| 06:28.17 | GreaseMonkey | i should try that |
| 06:29.48 | markybob | mike-kayaker, m-a a-i madwifi |
| 06:30.30 | mike-kayaker | markybob: It did not work? |
| 06:30.43 | markybob | mike-kayaker, apt-get install module-assistant first |
| 06:30.51 | mike-kayaker | kernel 2.6.20 |
| 06:30.57 | mike-kayaker | yes did that |
| 06:31.10 | markybob | !doesnt work |
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| 06:31.33 | markybob | !not work |
| 06:31.33 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 06:32.08 | mike-kayaker | 1 min |
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| 06:32.32 | GreaseMonkey | ...auto didn't work |
| 06:33.05 | markybob | do i really have to have the bot paste "doesnt work" again ? |
| 06:33.23 | GreaseMonkey | ...? |
| 06:33.27 | markybob | damnit |
| 06:33.28 | markybob | fine |
| 06:33.30 | markybob | !doesnt work |
| 06:33.30 | dpkg | well, doesnt work is Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 06:34.03 | mike-kayaker | markybob: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi |
| 06:34.43 | markybob | mike-kayaker, that's not an error message or your problem. that's a how-to. wtf? |
| 06:34.56 | GreaseMonkey | ok, i'm trying to get my mouse to work in X. i've managed to set the user permissions accordingly. however, i believe i have the wrong protocol in XF86Config. |
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| 06:35.07 | mike-kayaker | markybob: its comn |
| 06:35.11 | markybob | GreaseMonkey, using xorg or xfree86? |
| 06:35.34 | markybob | mike-kayaker, then go take care of it yourself. pointing me to a how-to that i already know about wont help me help you fix *your specific* problem |
| 06:36.43 | GreaseMonkey | x.org |
| 06:36.48 | GreaseMonkey | no |
| 06:36.50 | GreaseMonkey | xfree86 |
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| 06:37.15 | GreaseMonkey | i have two config files though - XF86Config and XF86Config-4 . which do you think will be used more? |
| 06:37.17 | markybob | GreaseMonkey, as root, 'cat /dev/psaux' and move your mouse around. does you see garbled info on the screen? |
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| 06:37.38 | markybob | GreaseMonkey, if you in sarge, XF86Config-4 is the right file |
| 06:37.46 | GreaseMonkey | i do with /dev/mouse - i'll try /dev/psaux |
| 06:38.07 | markybob | GreaseMonkey, does your x config point to device /dev/mouse? |
| 06:38.26 | GreaseMonkey | just a mo... |
| 06:38.59 | GreaseMonkey | it was pointing to /dev/ttyS0 or something |
| 06:39.03 | GreaseMonkey | i'll try again |
| 06:39.06 | kdean06 | I'm having a problem; a module I blacklisted on /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is still loading. It used to respect my wishes, and now it is not. Are there other ways to disable this module quickly? |
| 06:39.07 | markybob | GreaseMonkey, good luck |
| 06:39.22 | markybob | kdean06, yes. remove the module file for it. which module is it? |
| 06:40.09 | kdean06 | pcspkr |
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| 06:40.17 | iKernel | Guess what I'm using? |
| 06:40.30 | Guerin | iKernel: an iBrator?? |
| 06:40.36 | iKernel | rofl |
| 06:40.39 | iKernel | no. debian! |
| 06:40.43 | markybob | kdean06, yeah, that's not a problem. just rm that module |
| 06:40.47 | Guerin | woo. |
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| 06:41.34 | GreaseMonkey | my mouse works, thank you very much for your help |
| 06:41.39 | markybob | GreaseMonkey, np |
| 06:41.43 | iKernel | gonna see if I can kick bro off other pc (he just hopped on while I was fixing something on lappy without permission) and boot into ubuntu so I can run x11vnc |
| 06:41.52 | Esteban | hello all.. If I install a package and later decide to uninstall it.. Will the other packages this package depended on but no longer used be uninstalled? |
| 06:41.55 | iKernel | then I'll be able to control the pc... wirelessly |
| 06:43.01 | markybob | Esteban, the packages that depend on it will be removed, yes. assuming you're using apt-get remove foo or aptitude remove foo |
| 06:43.18 | Esteban | thnx markybob |
| 06:43.49 | GreaseMonkey | oh yeah, i should have apt-get ... heard it's lovely |
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| 06:44.10 | mikefoo | ok so I just installed lm_sensors, ran sensors, and it says "no sensors found" this happens on two different servers. Anyone have an idea if I am missing something? |
| 06:44.12 | markybob | yes, super cow powers are nice |
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| 06:44.25 | hark | Esteban: if you use aptitude, yes... |
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| 06:45.02 | hark | mikefoo: read /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors |
| 06:46.29 | iKernel | this type of technology will come in packages for people within the next few years, I think. What they don't know is that it was being reasearched many years ago by Olivetti & Oracle Research Lab, which was aqquired by AT&T in 1999. |
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| 06:46.47 | iKernel | so I can accuarately that it has been at least 8 years in the making. |
| 06:46.52 | markybob | wtf are you talking about |
| 06:46.54 | iKernel | accuarately state* |
| 06:46.57 | iamtheric | ya rly |
| 06:46.59 | iKernel | vnc markybob |
| 06:47.03 | iamtheric | ah |
| 06:47.24 | markybob | vnc's been around for forever. it's still insecure as all fuck |
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| 06:48.45 | iamtheric | ssh -X works fine for me |
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| 06:56.00 | GreaseMonkey | meh, i prefer X11 |
| 06:56.17 | markybob | ssh -X *is* using X11 |
| 06:56.26 | GreaseMonkey | set up an X-server, ask someone to stream it across, and hey presto! |
| 06:56.28 | GreaseMonkey | oh ok |
| 06:56.41 | solar_sea | I've tried to install the NV driver using the one-liner specified in /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner. but after everything there is complete, modprobe nvidia says there is no such module. What shall I do? |
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| 06:57.14 | markybob | solar_sea, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 06:57.17 | pstickne | solar_sea, verify that it is built and installed correctly |
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| 06:57.53 | stab | hiya. i was curious about Xen virtualisation vs VMware in terms of performance? i've never used xen but am interested in the upcoming hardware solutions that are being made to utilise it |
| 06:58.24 | phizwhiz | fuck i just toasted an old slink floppy for on-the-metal asteroids |
| 06:58.25 | markybob | stab, xen is pretty much the same as vmware. however, qemu sucks vs vmware and kvm also sucks against vmware |
| 06:58.37 | phizwhiz | and i ask myself was it worth it |
| 06:58.43 | markybob | stab, as far as speed is concerned, i mean. |
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| 07:00.08 | stab | markybob: i recently read that xen uses direct and shadow page tables, which i thought would make it slightly quicker |
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| 07:01.03 | markybob | stab, you give in some aspects and you take in others. my personal experience (i've used both) is that it tends to even out |
| 07:01.17 | solar_sea | markybob I've an error with this one that says it cannot find the kernel headers. then it says that I'm running the default install kernel I should get the kernel-headers-2.6.20.1-1-686. When I try to do apt-get install <this one> it says there is no such package |
| 07:01.34 | solar_sea | that if i'm running* |
| 07:01.42 | markybob | solar_sea, you have your own customized kernel? you're not using a stock kernel? |
| 07:02.28 | markybob | solar_sea, what does uname -r give you? |
| 07:02.32 | solar_sea | I suppose i'm using the stock one. I've installed debian with netinst with some kmuto image (in order to detect my hard disks) |
| 07:02.50 | solar_sea | 2.6.20.1-1-686 |
| 07:02.53 | markybob | solar_sea, ah fuck. kmuto isnt stock. it's his own separate creation |
| 07:03.20 | markybob | solar_sea, i'm not sure how you can do it with his crap. check if he has kernel headers for his kernels on his site. you need those to compile modules against your running kernel |
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| 07:06.40 | solar_sea | the FAQ it his site says the headers should be on the disk i've used to install, renamed to linux-headers-someversion. |
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| 07:07.04 | markybob | solar_sea, good. install that. most likely with dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 07:09.21 | solar_sea | selecting, unpacking, setting up. I suppose it's installed. i'll try the nv thing now |
| 07:09.38 | markybob | solar_sea, m-a a-i nvidia to compile and install the module |
| 07:10.22 | solar_sea | again, the same error message. maybe the sources are installed a in different location, blah |
| 07:10.51 | markybob | solar_sea, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source gives you what? |
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| 07:11.19 | solar_sea | what is the command for setting an environment var - export ? |
| 07:11.30 | markybob | export or set |
| 07:11.48 | solar_sea | it says that if the headers are in some non-standart location i should set KERNELDIRS to the path where there are |
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| 07:12.28 | markybob | if you have the headers, it'll find it. it's not an env variable thing if you're using all debian stuff |
| 07:12.31 | markybob | solar_sea, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source gives you what? |
| 07:12.34 | solar_sea | export KERNELDIRS some/path; -bash 'some/path' is not a valid identifier |
| 07:12.48 | markybob | solar_sea, = |
| 07:12.52 | markybob | solar_sea, expore FOO=foo |
| 07:12.58 | solar_sea | well, there headers are there in /usr/src under linux-headers-ver |
| 07:13.00 | markybob | s/expore/export |
| 07:13.02 | solar_sea | ah, i see |
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| 07:13.43 | solar_sea | great, it started to build |
| 07:13.48 | markybob | great |
| 07:13.57 | solar_sea | and then it failed |
| 07:14.04 | solar_sea | some errors in nv.c |
| 07:14.05 | markybob | solar_sea, error? |
| 07:14.12 | solar_sea | nvidia.ko failed to build |
| 07:14.13 | markybob | solar_sea, apt-get install build-essential |
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| 07:14.59 | solar_sea | build-essential is already the newest version |
| 07:15.15 | markybob | solar_sea, then you're gonna have to be more specific with what error it was |
| 07:16.28 | solar_sea | there are a lot of compile warnings like 'inintialization from incompatible pointer type' and others like that |
| 07:17.01 | markybob | solar_sea, can you copy it all and paste it in pastebin? |
| 07:17.28 | solar_sea | i'm under tty with bitchx currently |
| 07:17.41 | markybob | solar_sea, dcc me a file with it? |
| 07:17.50 | unix_infidel | can anyone recommend a free easy to setup FOSS shopping cart program that's available at most hosting places? |
| 07:18.16 | solar_sea | just let me see where the log is, i'm looking at it with some dialog-like app |
| 07:18.27 | jetscreamer | osCommerce |
| 07:18.34 | markybob | unholycrap, zencart |
| 07:18.49 | markybob | unix_infidel, --^ |
| 07:19.23 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg nv.run if you get desperate, if it doesn't work because you built your own kernel, ask me about the switch to pass it |
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| 07:19.38 | jetscreamer | but it will i think |
| 07:19.40 | indraveni | I need help in configuring procmail in my debian system |
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| 07:19.52 | jetscreamer | iirc it didn't but now dows |
| 07:19.54 | indraveni | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.55 | jetscreamer | es |
| 07:20.08 | indraveni | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.30 | solar_sea | oh, so it says the log is in /var/cache/modass/nvidia-blabla, I use tab to autocomplete it. cp this-one ~/nv.log; then it says cp: cannot stat, no such file or dir |
| 07:22.07 | solar_sea | markybob trying to find how to send you the file |
| 07:22.10 | unix_infidel | markybob: you've setup some sites with zencart? i'm running a small business and i need to get this done within 3-4 days. |
| 07:22.36 | markybob | unix_infidel, yes. take a look at dreamhost.com. they have a "one-click install" for zencart. it's pretty nice |
| 07:22.40 | solar_sea | markybob nvlog |
| 07:22.50 | solar_sea | ops, this was supposed to be a /send |
| 07:22.51 | markybob | solar_sea, /dcc send markybob foo |
| 07:22.54 | jetscreamer | http://sourceforge.net/projects/tep/ |
| 07:23.10 | unix_infidel | markybob: but how easy is it to setup ordering and paypal / cc account linksage and shipping stuff with zen cart, is it all gui or is scripting involved? |
| 07:24.00 | markybob | unix_infidel, very easy. there are modules for paypal and it's really, really easy |
| 07:24.01 | jetscreamer | http://www.oscommerce.com/ |
| 07:24.18 | markybob | solar_sea, it says linux/config.h ...which, my friend, is in your kernel headers. so we're still at problem #1 |
| 07:25.01 | jpin | Does anyone know anything about the libqt3-headers package? |
| 07:25.10 | unix_infidel | markybob: do you have to pay for linkage to shipping companies and banks with cc stuff? |
| 07:25.15 | jpin | i'm unable to compile a program that requires qtconfig.h |
| 07:25.18 | markybob | jpin, yes, what about it? |
| 07:25.30 | dondelelcaro | !+find qtconfig.h |
| 07:25.31 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:25.37 | jpin | markybob: man.. i installed that pack, and i'm unable to compile |
| 07:25.43 | solar_sea | hah, so .. i'll get the latest stable and try to make my own. |
| 07:25.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'qtconfig.h' (1): (/usr/share/qt4/doc/html/qtconfig.html) in doc/qt4-doc. |
| 07:25.56 | jpin | markybob: /usr/include/qt3/qglobal.h:775:21: error: qconfig.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:26.04 | dondelelcaro | !+find qconfig.h |
| 07:26.06 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:26.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'qconfig.h' (2): (/usr/include/qt3/qconfig.h) in libdevel/libqt3-mt-dev ;; (/usr/include/qt4/Qt/qconfig.h, /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qconfig.h) in libdevel/libqt4-dev. |
| 07:26.24 | markybob | there we go |
| 07:26.28 | markybob | jpin, --^ |
| 07:26.41 | markybob | unix_infidel, check it out...i think you'll be pleased. http://www.zencart.com/ |
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| 07:26.53 | jpin | ah |
| 07:26.53 | unix_infidel | markybob: i appreciate it man :) |
| 07:27.07 | unix_infidel | good karma always finds it way back :) |
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| 07:27.40 | indraveni | anybody there? who can help me in procmail configuration please |
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| 07:27.50 | markybob | unix_infidel, hope so. just starting my own business. in fact, my first business cards came in the mail today :) |
| 07:27.55 | jpin | But markybob: that libqt3-mt-dev pack is 24 MB |
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| 07:28.07 | unix_infidel | markybob: you got your website up? |
| 07:28.25 | markybob | jpin, lol, yes? :) |
| 07:28.35 | jpin | markybob: i mean.. the dependencies all together get 24MB, all just for that header... |
| 07:28.46 | markybob | unix_infidel, actually no. have the domain and i hope to finished it by tomorrow, but it's not up yet |
| 07:29.03 | markybob | jpin, you're getting more than a single file. yes, that's right. |
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| 07:29.39 | jpin | markybob: btw: how can i issue that command about finding the packet that a file belongs to? |
| 07:30.12 | markybob | jpin, use apt-file or /msg dpkg find foo |
| 07:31.27 | solar_sea | markybob, a question. If a build myself a new kernel from vanilla sources, my current modules won't work, correct ? |
| 07:31.36 | jpin | markybob: thanks (thanks too dondelelcaro) |
| 07:31.58 | markybob | solar_sea, that's correct. different versions of the kernel require modules that are compiled against themselves |
| 07:32.02 | Sazpaimon | is there any commandline tool to check waht the speed of my pipe is? |
| 07:32.05 | Sazpaimon | both up and down |
| 07:32.36 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: netcat |
| 07:32.44 | solar_sea | is there a way to use kmuto's kernel config over the vanilla sources, so that atleast i'll know what should be marked as a module and what not ? |
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| 07:33.54 | jpin | apt-file doesn't seem to work: apt-file find qcanvas.h (returns nothing) |
| 07:34.13 | jpin | any trick on this? |
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| 07:35.32 | markybob | jpin, apt-file update first |
| 07:36.17 | jpin | markybob: gracias |
| 07:36.17 | markybob | solar_sea, i havent used kmuto's stuff. you can gzcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux && make oldconfig that might work |
| 07:36.41 | markybob | /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 07:36.44 | markybob | --^ my bad |
| 07:37.06 | solar_sea | with the vanilla source installed in /usr/src/linux/ ? |
| 07:37.29 | markybob | right |
| 07:37.51 | solar_sea | dling the latest stable 2.6 kernel at the moment |
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| 07:39.20 | solar_sea | hm, another thing. I know my system pretty well, can't I build my own kernel with all the things I need build in it, module capability enabled just for the nvidia driver and then to edit the /etc/modules so that nothing [safe nvidia] loads? |
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| 07:41.04 | markybob | solar_sea, you build the kernel first. nvidia kernel is totally separate. you can do whatever you want with your kernel (everything built in or most things as modules) as long as you then compile and load the nvidia module |
| 07:41.39 | markybob | s/nvidia\ kernel/nvidia\ kernel\ module/ |
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| 07:41.50 | jetscreamer | you don't need to explicitly load the nvidia module |
| 07:41.58 | markybob | that's true |
| 07:41.59 | jetscreamer | just specify it in xorg.conf or whatever |
| 07:42.01 | markybob | x will do it for you |
| 07:42.15 | solar_sea | I first need to get it compiled :) |
| 07:42.32 | jetscreamer | like i said, if you get desperate... |
| 07:42.44 | Victor``` | isn't the 2.4 kernel more stable than 2.6? |
| 07:42.59 | markybob | isnt linux 2.2 more stable than 2.4? |
| 07:43.02 | jetscreamer | they're both stable |
| 07:43.05 | markybob | blah blah blah |
| 07:43.10 | karsten | markybob: Isn't 2.0 more stable than 2.2? |
| 07:43.16 | markybob | karsten, exactly. |
| 07:43.31 | jetscreamer | so i need a 0.1 to be stablest |
| 07:43.43 | Victor``` | that's taking it a bit far |
| 07:43.52 | jetscreamer | ok 1.0 |
| 07:44.08 | Victor``` | 0.1 probably wouldn't run on a modern system |
| 07:44.34 | jetscreamer | 1.01? |
| 07:44.39 | solar_sea | hm, another question. I see in dmesg that my drives are recognized as scsi. does this mean that I should enable scsi support in my new one ? |
| 07:44.50 | markybob | linux kernel 2.6.0 was released in 2003! it's 2007...yes, it's stable. |
| 07:45.09 | GreaseMonkey | 2.4 should be one of the stablest |
| 07:45.12 | GreaseMonkey | well, the latest one |
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| 07:46.41 | markybob | apparently it takes a decade to be stable. my bad. |
| 07:46.45 | markybob | you guys are just silly |
| 07:46.53 | ciop | hello, since i use ulogd for shorewall logging, the OUT and MAC is empty. did i misconfigure something? |
| 07:46.58 | Victor``` | 2.4 didn't come out a decade ago |
| 07:47.23 | GreaseMonkey | i have a boot floppy which has 2.2 on it D: |
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| 07:48.09 | markybob | GreaseMonkey, upgrade. potato was ages ago |
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| 07:48.45 | GreaseMonkey | yes, i know, but it's not like i can just randomly upgrade it |
| 07:48.49 | GreaseMonkey | it's tomsrtbt |
| 07:49.16 | markybob | randomly? please. if 7-8 years isnt long enough...what do you need? |
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| 07:49.33 | Guerin | why the FUCK is kismet's `capture source' thing so fucking stupid |
| 07:49.38 | Guerin | goddamn motherfucker |
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| 07:49.48 | markybob | Guerin, good question. that's pissed me off quite a bit, too. |
| 07:49.54 | GreaseMonkey | 1.5FPS (F's per sentence) on average |
| 07:50.00 | Guerin | it's almost totally unfuckingdocumented |
| 07:50.11 | markybob | GreaseMonkey, fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fucking fuck |
| 07:50.25 | GreaseMonkey | markybob, i try to keep my FPS low |
| 07:50.30 | Guerin | i don't |
| 07:50.40 | streuner | haha |
| 07:50.41 | GreaseMonkey | wow, now it's down to 1FPS |
| 07:50.49 | markybob | doesnt make me any worse or any better, so why give a fuck? |
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| 07:51.27 | Victor``` | i can't fucking seem to fucking get this fucking thing to fucking compile |
| 07:51.31 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.33 | Victor``` | fucking portage! |
| 07:51.36 | unix_infidel | lol! |
| 07:51.47 | Victor``` | maximum fps. |
| 07:51.55 | markybob | Victor```, blah. portage at 3am is just wrong |
| 07:52.06 | Victor``` | i don't use portage |
| 07:52.11 | Victor``` | i use ports and apt :P |
| 07:52.20 | jetscreamer | holy fucking shit |
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| 07:52.35 | Victor``` | well, ports on freebsd and apt on my linux box. |
| 07:52.46 | solar_sea | erm, make menuconfig doesn't work. is there anything I need except build-essential and dialog to get it working ? |
| 07:52.56 | markybob | solar_sea, apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 07:52.57 | jetscreamer | libncurses5-dev |
| 07:53.14 | Victor``` | solar_sea: linux kernel? |
| 07:53.23 | jetscreamer | and kernel-package |
| 07:53.28 | solar_sea | the latest stable 2.6 @ kernel.org |
| 07:53.39 | markybob | you dont need kernel-package for menu config |
| 07:53.43 | markybob | you do need it for make-kpkg, though |
| 07:53.56 | markybob | menuconfig * |
| 07:54.11 | Victor``` | apt-get build-dep kernel-source-whatever |
| 07:54.44 | solar_sea | O_o |
| 07:55.02 | Victor``` | that should install libncurses |
| 07:55.05 | Victor``` | so yeah. |
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| 07:56.31 | solar_sea | markybob btw, there is nothing like config.z in proc |
| 07:56.59 | markybob | solar_sea, /proc/config.gz ? no? well, like i said, i'm not familiar with kmutu. normal debian kernels have it |
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| 07:58.03 | solar_sea | ah, and are there any normal deb kernels that come with sata support ? :) |
| 07:58.36 | markybob | solar_sea, yes. depending on which sata module you need. wtf did you try kmutu's stuff before trying the stock debian stuff? |
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| 07:59.05 | solar_sea | someone here told me to do this yesterday. I was trying to do a netinst but the image from debian.org failed to detect my hdds |
| 07:59.28 | streuner | solar_sea: we need more details |
| 07:59.40 | markybob | solar_sea, you were using sarge or etch install images? |
| 07:59.49 | solar_sea | sarge, 3.1_r5 |
| 07:59.57 | markybob | solar_sea, no wonder |
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| 08:00.16 | markybob | solar_sea, using the daily images from here would be much easier http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:00.32 | markybob | solar_sea, that'll install etch and kernel 2.6.18, which has most sata supported |
| 08:00.48 | markybob | solar_sea, whoever told you to install kmuto's without trying that first was a moron |
| 08:00.55 | solar_sea | :) |
| 08:01.17 | solar_sea | okey, i'm switching back to win in order to get this one and burn it. |
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| 08:02.53 | streuner | god, i need some day some SATA stuff too |
| 08:02.53 | somian | Hiyo debianistas |
| 08:03.08 | Steven_M | hi all |
| 08:03.20 | somian | Would questions about defoma be On-Topic here? |
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| 08:03.39 | solar_sea | markybob what was that site again ? |
| 08:03.55 | markybob | solar_sea, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:04.03 | markybob | solar_sea, daily image |
| 08:04.40 | streuner | somian: as long as you running Debian almost nothing is OT |
| 08:04.42 | solar_sea | Okey, i'm downloading http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:05.22 | markybob | solar_sea, right. |
| 08:05.32 | Victor``` | i ssh to debian boxes do i get a mount. |
| 08:05.54 | markybob | Victor```, wtf? was that even a real sentence? |
| 08:05.59 | Victor``` | nope. |
| 08:06.09 | markybob | Victor```, please dont smoke weed and join #debian |
| 08:06.11 | streuner | somian: to tell you the truth, most of us surely dosesn't touch 'defoma' much |
| 08:06.13 | somian | I'm a chanop in another channel ... I am a little sensitive to Offtopic issues ;-) |
| 08:06.36 | somian | s/channel/high-volume freenode channel/ |
| 08:06.49 | Guerin | given that defoma is debian-specific, i rather think it's on-topic |
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| 08:06.50 | somian | streuner: yeah, it's one of those things ... |
| 08:06.56 | Steven_M | is there any chance of debian including an unmodified version of firefox in the repos instead of having to use iceweasel? |
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| 08:07.05 | markybob | Steven_M, no |
| 08:07.23 | Steven_M | why not? |
| 08:07.33 | markybob | Steven_M, for the reasons for iceweasel was created |
| 08:07.38 | kakalto | if I dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb, and hda is a 40gb drive with 5gb used, and hdb is a 20gb drive, will I have problems? |
| 08:07.44 | markybob | seriously? go to iceweasel's homepage |
| 08:07.54 | somian | Guerin: you never know, if you don't *know* a channel. Some channels have been taken over by pod people. For example, I stumbled into freenode #css recently and flamed for inviting a discussion about css ;-P |
| 08:08.06 | Guerin | wtf is a `pod' person? |
| 08:08.10 | Victor``` | licensing issue |
| 08:08.20 | markybob | Guerin, i have no idea |
| 08:08.24 | somian | Not up on your old Sci Fi movies, Guerin ? |
| 08:08.25 | Guerin | somian: nuke them from orbit - it's the only way to be sure |
| 08:08.28 | intruder_ | kakalto: yes |
| 08:08.30 | markybob | kakalto, depends on your fragmentation, really |
| 08:08.45 | Guerin | somian: no, scifi is for geeks |
| 08:08.48 | Steven_M | markybob: where's it's homepage? |
| 08:09.12 | markybob | Steven_M, http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
| 08:09.33 | intruder_ | kakalto: you will lose all your data on hdb and the resulted copy of hda might not be usable |
| 08:09.47 | kakalto | intruder_: is there a way to make it work? |
| 08:09.56 | somian | Anyway, I am kind of thinking that there might be a defoma hints-file generator out there, to automate the process of adding some more fonts to my system. Anyone know anything about that? |
| 08:09.56 | Guerin | Steven_M: long story short: Mozilla can't be sure we haven't haxx0red it, and so won't let us use the name/logo |
| 08:10.13 | markybob | and by *us* he means the average person |
| 08:10.20 | markybob | they did give debian permission, but oh well |
| 08:10.23 | intruder_ | kakalto: not with dd, use cp or tar if you want to copy a filesystem |
| 08:10.25 | Guerin | no, they didn't |
| 08:10.38 | Guerin | they gave permission on the condition that they audit the patches |
| 08:10.41 | Guerin | which isn't acceptable |
| 08:10.55 | Guerin | notwithstanding the redistribution thing |
| 08:11.25 | markybob | Guerin, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg01182.html |
| 08:11.39 | kakalto | intruder_, so format hdb1, mount them at /mnt/hd{a,b}1 and copy across with "cp -Rva /mnt/hda1/* /mnt/hdb1/*"? |
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| 08:11.53 | markybob | Guerin, the way i read it, debian had permission. but since the average debian user couldnt redistribute and edit, debian decided it was against its policy |
| 08:12.11 | intruder_ | kakalto: something like this |
| 08:12.28 | Guerin | markybob: ok. I recall them wanting to audit stuff. CBA reading the whole bugreport. |
| 08:12.30 | intruder_ | kakalto: create the partition first |
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| 08:12.39 | ciop | sorry for re-asking, since i use ulogd for shorewall logging, the OUT and MAC is empty. did i misconfigure something? |
| 08:12.40 | kakalto | intruder_: do you see any flaws in my procedure there? cp -Rva is recursively, verbose, archive, isn't it? |
| 08:12.50 | somian | Heh, defoma-hints is said to sk many tedious questions about which one does not know the answer" :-) |
| 08:12.50 | kakalto | intruder_: ah, forgot to mention that ;-) |
| 08:13.04 | Guerin | kakalto: a includes recursivity |
| 08:13.06 | Steven_M | Guerin: what are difference between debian-iceweasel and firefox? |
| 08:13.06 | somian | thatś on http://russia.shaps.hawaii.edu/software/add-postscript.html |
| 08:13.16 | Guerin | Steven_M: logo and name |
| 08:13.20 | intruder_ | kakalto: -p pour preserver les droits |
| 08:13.35 | Guerin | Steven_M: you can check the changelog on packages.debian.org for the details - but those are the main two |
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| 08:13.53 | intruder_ | kakalto: -p to perserve the rights |
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| 08:13.56 | kakalto | Guerin: ahk, thanks |
| 08:14.04 | kakalto | intruder_: doesn't -a cover that? |
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| 08:14.23 | intruder_ | kakalto: yes, sorry |
| 08:14.33 | kakalto | cool, thanks |
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| 08:14.59 | intruder_ | and i guess you can exclude the content of /dev/ |
| 08:15.07 | Steven_M | Guerin: there must be code differences as well, otherwise mozilla wouldn't take acception. |
| 08:15.49 | Guerin | Steven_M: not necessarily. |
| 08:16.04 | intruder_ | they suposed remove some proprietary code, and proprietary plugins compatibility |
| 08:16.08 | Guerin | Steven_M: anyway, read the changelog. I'm sure there are minor differences. |
| 08:16.10 | intruder_ | *suposedly |
| 08:16.19 | Guerin | well, that stuff isn't in the source release anyhow |
| 08:16.23 | kakalto | Steven_M: acception? :P |
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| 08:16.56 | Guerin | kakalto: `take acception' is when you take (away) your acceptance of something |
| 08:16.59 | Guerin | kakalto: duh! |
| 08:17.04 | kakalto | lol |
| 08:17.28 | Guerin | slainte! |
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| 08:17.42 | Vanita | its weird i see my ram is draining slowly |
| 08:17.48 | Vanita | i wonder why someone may help me out |
| 08:18.02 | intruder_ | draining ? |
| 08:18.16 | Vanita | well im losing ram slowly |
| 08:18.22 | pstickne | losing it where? :( |
| 08:18.27 | \amethyst | by what measure? |
| 08:18.28 | markybob | Steven_M, you're wrong. it's a trademark thing. there's been much discussed of it. read the mailing list archies |
| 08:18.28 | pstickne | (check for puddles on the floor!) |
| 08:18.32 | Vanita | well its in used... |
| 08:18.33 | markybob | Steven_M, archives* |
| 08:18.35 | kakalto | pstickne: if he knew that, he wouldn't have a problem ;-) |
| 08:18.36 | Vanita | something is using ram.. |
| 08:18.45 | Vanita | and eat all the free ram slowly |
| 08:18.46 | intruder_ | Vanita: lol |
| 08:18.59 | intruder_ | Vanita: no, thats how linux works |
| 08:19.09 | Vanita | really? |
| 08:19.10 | \amethyst | pstickne: http://www.blikstein.com/paulo/projects/project_water.html |
| 08:19.33 | Vanita | i lose like 300 ko per second |
| 08:19.56 | intruder_ | ..it must vary |
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| 08:20.04 | pstickne | Vanita, look at mem usages for your processes... |
| 08:20.17 | Vanita | how do i look at it |
| 08:20.19 | \amethyst | Vanita: run top, press capital M to sort by memory usage |
| 08:20.24 | Vanita | ok thanks |
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| 08:20.55 | Vanita | actually all my program are using ra |
| 08:20.57 | Vanita | ram |
| 08:21.02 | pstickne | as they should be :p |
| 08:21.11 | \amethyst | programs use RAM when they're running, yes |
| 08:21.13 | markybob | yeah...it'd be hard not to |
| 08:21.21 | \amethyst | all your *processes* are using RAM |
| 08:21.23 | intruder_ | heh.. |
| 08:21.25 | Vanita | but they keep using it? |
| 08:21.32 | pstickne | you're just looking for one that keeps using more and more and more and more... such programs may have a memory leak. |
| 08:21.33 | markybob | ...yes... |
| 08:21.38 | \amethyst | Vanita: only while they're still running |
| 08:21.39 | intruder_ | Vanita: yes, in case you execute them again |
| 08:21.44 | somian | Folks, remember that Vanita is not a NES |
| 08:21.45 | pstickne | vertigo, don't worry, smart OS'es page as needed... |
| 08:21.55 | Vanita | someone some program are using it more more more.. |
| 08:22.04 | somian | Vanita: hang in there. |
| 08:22.07 | Vanita | like pstickne said.. |
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| 08:22.21 | \amethyst | Vanita: what is the amount of "free", "buffers", and "cache"? |
| 08:22.27 | somian | Vanita: what you are talking about is called a "memory leak". |
| 08:22.35 | Vanita | 2Mem: 2069540k total, 1761828k used, 307712k free, 14404k buffers |
| 08:22.45 | \amethyst | and cached? |
| 08:22.55 | Vanita | Swap: 2040244k total, 506416k used, 1533828k free, 470544k cached |
| 08:22.58 | \amethyst | okay |
| 08:23.02 | \amethyst | here's a secret |
| 08:23.09 | markybob | that's perfectly normal |
| 08:23.18 | \amethyst | If you want to know how much RAM is available, add Free, buffers, and cached |
| 08:23.18 | intruder_ | he's swapping a lot |
| 08:23.52 | pstickne | the swap usage seems high |
| 08:23.52 | intruder_ | no ? |
| 08:23.54 | Vanita | Mem: 2069540k total, 1766444k used, 303096k free, 14504k buffers |
| 08:23.59 | Vanita | see im losing it slowly :S |
| 08:24.02 | somian | Vanita: try shutting down Firefox rather frequently. |
| 08:24.06 | \amethyst | Vanita: and cached? |
| 08:24.14 | Vanita | Swap: 2040244k total, 506416k used, 1533828k free, 473280k cached |
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| 08:24.20 | \amethyst | Vanita: It's increasing |
| 08:24.32 | kjxxxx | whats the command to probe for network card |
| 08:24.32 | \amethyst | Vanita: that means more of your memory is getting used as a disk cache |
| 08:24.33 | \amethyst | as it should |
| 08:24.46 | Vanita | tat cud be mysql no? |
| 08:24.58 | \amethyst | Vanita: It could be any kind of disk access |
| 08:24.59 | markybob | Vanita, are you drunk? |
| 08:25.08 | somian | Folks, remember that Vanita is not a NES |
| 08:25.11 | \amethyst | Vanita: Linux uses free memory as a disk cache |
| 08:25.19 | \amethyst | Vanita: Every modern operating system does |
| 08:25.24 | intruder_ | NES ? nintendo entertainment system ? |
| 08:25.26 | Vanita | sorry |
| 08:25.36 | Vanita | i am not a pro linux user ;( |
| 08:25.55 | markybob | i meant your english. "tat cud" |
| 08:25.59 | somian | Folks, remember that Vanita is not a NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER for the slow people in the gallery |
| 08:26.07 | kjxxxx | what's the commad to probe for network card |
| 08:26.21 | Vanita | so what you recommend me to do |
| 08:26.25 | intruder_ | im not a slow person :P im also a NES |
| 08:26.34 | Vanita | ATARI :D |
| 08:26.37 | \amethyst | Vanita: You don't need to do anything |
| 08:27.28 | \amethyst | Vanita: If cached is increasing, that's a good thing |
| 08:27.28 | Vanita | so its perfeclty normaL? |
| 08:27.28 | \amethyst | Vanita: Yes |
| 08:27.28 | intruder_ | :P |
| 08:27.29 | Vanita | HUM. |
| 08:27.29 | \amethyst | Vanita: Memory is much faster than hard drives |
| 08:27.40 | intruder_ | Vanita: hey on est tout les deux quebecois ;P |
| 08:27.50 | Vanita | LOL |
| 08:27.55 | Vanita | tu vient de mtl? |
| 08:27.57 | intruder_ | shut |
| 08:28.27 | intruder_ | no, gatineau :P |
| 08:28.55 | Vanita | \amethyst: so it better to have more mem than cached |
| 08:29.09 | Vanita | \amethyst: why you said cached increased it good then? |
| 08:29.28 | s | kjxxxx: what do you mean when you say "probe for"? |
| 08:29.44 | \amethyst | Vanita: "cached" |
| 08:30.02 | \amethyst | Vanita: "cached" is memory the operating system has set aside to make disk accesses faster |
| 08:30.09 | kjxxxx | my card was not found |
| 08:30.27 | kjxxxx | netgear cardbus FA511 |
| 08:30.43 | \amethyst | Vanita: it keeps the frequently-used parts of the disk in memory |
| 08:31.00 | intruder_ | Vanita: it is faster to write in memory than directly on disk |
| 08:31.24 | \amethyst | Vanita: when memory is low, the kernel will automatically evict some of the cached pages, freeing them |
| 08:31.31 | Vanita | oh ok |
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| 08:31.48 | s | kjxxxx: lspci list them? |
| 08:32.10 | Vanita | because early i met few lag with my server applcation when i reach like 50mb free ram.. |
| 08:32.17 | Vanita | so i wonder why. i it happen |
| 08:32.30 | Vanita | mysql is kind running super slow when ireach 50mb mrm |
| 08:32.34 | Vanita | mem* |
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| 08:32.41 | \amethyst | Hm |
| 08:32.50 | \amethyst | might be good to turn down the swappiness |
| 08:33.05 | Vanita | i have no idea how to do tat |
| 08:33.11 | Vanita | that* lol< |
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| 08:33.53 | Vanita | does it need a server reboot? |
| 08:34.13 | kakalto | okay, so I have a 40gb drive and another 40gb drive.... "dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/hdd" ? |
| 08:34.51 | \amethyst | Vanita: no, you can do echo 20 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 08:35.10 | Vanita | and how can i turn is on back? |
| 08:35.12 | \amethyst | Vanita: Where 20 is a number between 0 and 100 |
| 08:35.38 | \amethyst | Vanita: I think 60 is the default with Debian kernels |
| 08:35.57 | Vanita | nano /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 08:36.03 | Vanita | it show me nothing at aLL |
| 08:36.40 | \amethyst | Vanita: does cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness show anything? |
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| 08:37.27 | Vanita | cat: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness: No such file or directory |
| 08:37.56 | \amethyst | Vanita: oh, hm. what kernel version? |
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| 08:38.06 | Vanita | 2.4 |
| 08:38.10 | \amethyst | oh |
| 08:38.22 | \amethyst | Vanita: 2.4.what? |
| 08:38.38 | Vanita | 2.4.27-3-686-smp |
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| 08:40.06 | pstickne | 2.4? :( |
| 08:40.18 | \amethyst | Hm... I don't know if it's possible to tune that in 2.4 |
| 08:40.36 | kakalto | will "dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/hdd" do a good job of cloning one 40gb drive to another? do I need to wipe the second drive first? do I need to worry about partitions? |
| 08:41.04 | Vanita | i cannot upgrade to 2.6 |
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| 08:41.11 | Vanita | i have SATA disk |
| 08:41.25 | Vanita | last time i upgrade it, server doesnt boot anymore |
| 08:41.41 | pstickne | strange. well, I don't have SATA, dunno :p |
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| 08:43.05 | \amethyst | Vanita: Hm. What do the top few processes in top look like? |
| 08:43.25 | \amethyst | Vanita: run "top", capital M to sort by memory |
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| 08:44.43 | erlend | hello. i seem to have an odd problem with my Debian etch installation.. my system has 2 GB of RAM, but for some reason my debian system only detects about 950 mb of it |
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| 08:48.53 | berder | that's all you need |
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| 08:50.52 | erlend | i guess i would like to get what i paid for :) |
| 08:51.08 | kakalto | is the stock debian kernel compiled to support 1GB+ RAM? |
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| 08:51.38 | pstickne | yes |
| 08:51.52 | erlend | as far as i know, the default etch kernel do that |
| 08:51.57 | pstickne | at least the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels that I have used |
| 08:52.05 | berder | you have another OS that recognizes all the RAM? |
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| 08:52.52 | cahoot | erlend: grep -i highmem /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 08:53.46 | \amethyst | erlend: what is your kernel version (including the debian version)? |
| 08:54.05 | erlend | 2.6.18-4-486 is my kernel |
| 08:54.15 | \amethyst | 486 is the problem |
| 08:54.21 | cahoot | erlend: grep -i highmem /boot/config-$(uname -r) - any response? |
| 08:54.31 | erlend | cahoot, CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y |
| 08:54.43 | erlend | and the same for 6 and 64 gb are # out |
| 08:55.00 | \amethyst | erlend: What's your processor? |
| 08:55.24 | erlend | it's actually and amd 64 |
| 08:55.32 | \amethyst | erlend: get the k7 kernel then |
| 08:55.42 | \amethyst | assuming you want 32-bit |
| 08:55.56 | erlend | i want 32 bit yes... |
| 08:55.58 | erlend | hm okay |
| 08:56.24 | erlend | well, i guess i'll try that then ! |
| 08:56.35 | \amethyst | The 486 kernel doesn't have these fancy newfangled things like highmem turned on |
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| 08:57.15 | erlend | ok great.. thanks |
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| 09:18.57 | larsl | Is there a way to set a filesystem to automatically flush the buffers when it's done writing a file? It's a bit annoying to always have to remember to run 'sync' or 'umount /media/disk' after copying music to my MP3 player. |
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| 09:19.58 | bkw | do you use a explorer to copy the files? |
| 09:20.03 | larsl | I did forget it once and unplugged the player right after 'cp -R musicdir/ /media/disk' returned, and the flash memory was completely borked and had to be formatted. |
| 09:20.13 | larsl | bkw: The only file manager I use is Bash. |
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| 09:21.35 | psyco-obiwan | larsl: uneducated guess: isn't that done via sync in mount ? |
| 09:21.40 | bkw | ok. if a application like nautilus or similar is used then one can script hotplug to mount, and when you close the app the device should be unmounted automaticlly |
| 09:22.16 | s | larsl: make a bash script "cpflash" or something like that |
| 09:22.37 | larsl | psyco-obiwan: "All I/O to the file system should be done synchronously" - that looks like it could be it, yeah. Thanks. |
| 09:23.28 | psyco-obiwan | larsl: i don't know if it solves your prob, but for me it would sound from the man page like sth to try at least |
| 09:23.45 | s | larsl: when you'll use this your flash memory will break earlier then if you don't sync it |
| 09:23.46 | bkw | larsl: b.beck one of the well known obsd devs solved it in a elegant fashion on his kids computer running obsd. http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20061114191150 |
| 09:24.07 | larsl | Now to find where to enter the mount options for KDE's USB auto-mounting tool... |
| 09:24.37 | tp76 | larsl: you mean you did not unmont it before unplugging it? |
| 09:24.38 | bkw | you even have the script there ,) |
| 09:26.18 | larsl | tp76: Yes. |
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| 09:26.48 | larsl | bkw: I'd rather not have to run special terminals or have windows pop up when plugging in devices. KDE already handles automounting for me. |
| 09:27.00 | tp76 | larsl: and why not? |
| 09:27.39 | larsl | tp76: It's not supposed to be necessary when there is no I/O in process, is it? |
| 09:27.44 | tp76 | larsl: you just want to plug it in, copy files to it, then remove it without letting anyone know about it? ;-) |
| 09:27.49 | psyco-obiwan | nice link bkw |
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| 09:28.06 | \amethyst | larsl: you can put "sync,noatime" in the options field in fstab |
| 09:28.27 | larsl | \amethyst: Yeah, it's not in fstab though. The mount point is created automatically by KDE. |
| 09:28.28 | concept10 | may I safely remove *-dev libraries? |
| 09:28.45 | StyXman | concept10: yes, unless you want to compile something |
| 09:30.28 | psyco-obiwan | concept10: you might find the deborphan package intersting if you're after cleaning up |
| 09:30.29 | concept10 | StyXman, I know they are used for builds, but I want to know if -dev libraries are *only* marked for that |
| 09:30.29 | larsl | concept10: Yes. |
| 09:30.29 | StyXman | concept10: mostly they're only needed for compiling something agains the lib |
| 09:30.29 | tp76 | concept10: if you never want to compile anything you donn't need any -dev packages, AFAIK. |
| 09:30.35 | somian | Man, `apropos sucks on my box |
| 09:31.04 | somian | it cannot find anything to do with ttf or truetype |
| 09:31.07 | concept10 | I thought so, I compile stuff from time to time, but these -dev libraries are piling up |
| 09:31.34 | StyXman | concept10: they always do |
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| 09:32.35 | concept10 | another thing.. I have one graphics card (of course) Why do I need drivers for every card supported by free drivers on my system> |
| 09:32.37 | concept10 | ? |
| 09:33.01 | StyXman | concept10: you don't, just remove the others |
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| 09:33.22 | bartek_s | hi |
| 09:33.31 | bartek_s | can you help me with microfon? |
| 09:33.32 | larsl | concept10: The default kernel has drivers for pretty much everything. |
| 09:33.52 | concept10 | larsl, im not talking about the kernel, im talking about X |
| 09:33.52 | bartek_s | i have modified alsamixer but it isnt working :( |
| 09:33.53 | tp76 | The X video drivers are not part of the kernel, though ;-) |
| 09:34.05 | bartek_s | and sorry for my english |
| 09:34.12 | dpm | is there any specific debian tool for adding a user to a group on a linux system? (as opposed to manually edit /etc/groups) |
| 09:34.16 | StyXman | bartek_s: see if it has a double MM at the bottom |
| 09:34.24 | larsl | dpm: adduser? |
| 09:34.25 | bartek_s | yes it is |
| 09:34.27 | StyXman | alos, chech that the mic is still working |
| 09:34.36 | larsl | dpm: KDE has something too, probably GNOME as well. |
| 09:34.38 | bartek_s | yes it is working on xp |
| 09:34.41 | psyco-obiwan | dpm: vigr |
| 09:34.47 | scv | bartek_s: were some items off in the alsamixer? |
| 09:34.52 | bartek_s | no |
| 09:34.56 | bartek_s | all are on |
| 09:35.07 | scv | so? what's up? |
| 09:35.07 | cahoot | bartek_s: hit 'm' to toggle MM to 00 |
| 09:35.08 | StyXman | bartek_s: MM? then press 'm' |
| 09:35.26 | bartek_s | now there is "OO" |
| 09:35.49 | dpm | psyco-obiwan: thanks for the tip on vigr, but to me that's like manually editing, just safer |
| 09:35.49 | bartek_s | and microfon isnt working |
| 09:36.05 | larsl | dpm: What type of editing is not manual? |
| 09:36.19 | StyXman | dpm: adduser user group |
| 09:36.30 | StyXman | I think that's the safest way |
| 09:36.43 | bartek_s | (i am in audio group) |
| 09:36.49 | bartek_s | w8 |
| 09:36.54 | bartek_s | i test it in skype |
| 09:37.13 | eleftherios | hm, what's the best way to manage which services start at boot-time? For example I just installed apache2 and it will be starting at each boot while I want to have ti starting on demand. I'm on Debian Etch. (I am looking for something other than editing the init dir manually) |
| 09:37.18 | dpm | StyXman: thanks for the tip, I'll start reading the adduser docs |
| 09:37.50 | bartek_s | now when i have pressed M i don't hear anything |
| 09:37.55 | bartek_s | StyXman: |
| 09:38.06 | tp76 | eleftherios: update-rc.d perhaps. |
| 09:38.15 | StyXman | eleftherios: or rcconf |
| 09:38.30 | eleftherios | thanks guys, I try these two |
| 09:38.31 | bartek_s | :( |
| 09:38.34 | StyXman | bartek_s: does it say '00'? then turn up the volume |
| 09:38.36 | scv | :( |
| 09:38.37 | \amethyst | or bum |
| 09:39.20 | scv | bartek_s: can you use "up" key on it? |
| 09:39.40 | bartek_s | all are on 80 % |
| 09:40.39 | eleftherios | looking at the things that start with rcconf, I can see "nfs-common" starting by default...I assume this is NSF related? Is it ok if I disable it? |
| 09:41.07 | scv | bartek_s: do you mean all funtions are ok excepting mic? |
| 09:41.27 | tp76 | Well, are you using NFS? |
| 09:41.28 | bartek_s | yes |
| 09:41.30 | bartek_s | i think |
| 09:41.32 | psyco-obiwan | if you dont want to use nfs at all, you can disable it |
| 09:41.39 | bartek_s | i hear music from xmms |
| 09:41.43 | bartek_s | sounds from kadu |
| 09:41.47 | eleftherios | tp76, no I am not |
| 09:41.48 | bartek_s | and system sounds |
| 09:41.59 | psyco-obiwan | its not needed for servers only for client access to nfs too IIRC |
| 09:42.28 | somian | The ghostscript viewer appl on debian is named gsview, no? |
| 09:42.30 | StyXman | bartek_s: kde? |
| 09:42.46 | bartek_s | StyXman: fluxbox |
| 09:42.48 | tp76 | eleftherios: then sure, disable it if you want (or even uninstall it). |
| 09:42.55 | bartek_s | but i have kmix |
| 09:42.58 | StyXman | somian: there's gv, but there are lots of .ps viewers |
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| 09:43.27 | StyXman | bartek_s: open kmix, go to the input page, turn on both the green and red light in the mic control |
| 09:43.37 | somian | ahh. thanks StyXman ... i seem to have none installed at any rate |
| 09:43.50 | bartek_s | StyXman: there is only red light |
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| 09:44.00 | StyXman | ok, then tur it on |
| 09:44.29 | bartek_s | StyXman: it is turned |
| 09:44.39 | bartek_s | i turned it |
| 09:44.43 | bartek_s | on |
| 09:44.50 | StyXman | bartek_s: then it's skype's problem |
| 09:44.58 | scv | umm |
| 09:45.04 | StyXman | (I think) |
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| 09:45.11 | bartek_s | StyXman: but i don't here voice from microfon anywhere |
| 09:45.12 | teclo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.16 | scv | (me too) |
| 09:45.16 | bartek_s | not only in skype |
| 09:45.50 | somian | Looks like gnome-gv will fit the bill nicely ;) |
| 09:46.07 | cahoot | bartek_s: play with the alsamixer settings - toggle capture |
| 09:46.34 | bartek_s | sorry, w8 |
| 09:46.39 | eleftherios | tp76, psyco-obiwan thank you |
| 09:47.22 | eleftherios | last question, what's needed so that usb-drives get automounted when I plug them in? Using gnome here |
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| 09:48.29 | StyXman | eleftherios: maybe ivman could help, but I had problems unmounting them |
| 09:48.39 | eleftherios | hm |
| 09:48.50 | scv | bartek_s: are you using a nforce mobo? |
| 09:48.53 | solar_sea | how can I change the default site from where apt-get downloads it packages ? |
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| 09:49.01 | bartek_s | scv: no |
| 09:49.06 | tp76 | eleftherios: what does "Desktop->Preferences->Removable Drives and Media" say? |
| 09:49.07 | scv | oh |
| 09:49.07 | cahoot | eleftherios: fwiw gnome automounts my usb stick |
| 09:49.12 | bartek_s | in windows microfon is working |
| 09:49.29 | eleftherios | cahoot, yes it needs gnome-volume-manager for it I think though |
| 09:49.51 | eleftherios | tp76, there is no "Removable Media" section |
| 09:50.17 | cahoot | eleftherios: you're probably right - I just use it |
| 09:50.29 | bartek_s | ;( |
| 09:50.37 | scv | ;( |
| 09:51.03 | bartek_s | so thank u... |
| 09:51.06 | bartek_s | bye |
| 09:51.09 | eleftherios | thanks guys |
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| 09:51.15 | StyXman | solar_sea: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:51.49 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 09:51.49 | dpkg | somebody said apt-spy was a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 09:51.49 | solar_sea | StyXman thanks |
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| 09:52.20 | tp76 | eleftherios: perhaps you're missing some packages, then. Look through "dpkg -l 'gnome*' | less" or something. |
| 09:52.36 | solar_sea | I want to change the mirror, because I installed etch and now some packages are missing from the one that i'm using |
| 09:52.51 | eleftherios | tp76, I installed gnome-volume-manager |
| 09:53.04 | eleftherios | tp76, no change, I guess I need to restart gnome |
| 09:53.06 | eleftherios | brb] |
| 09:53.29 | eleftherios | lsusb gives me: Bus 007 Device 004: ID 0bc2:0503 Seagate RSS LLC |
| 09:53.34 | eleftherios | so the drive is there |
| 09:54.11 | solar_sea | so, apt-spy -d unstable -a; just prints some sort of help |
| 09:54.52 | solar_sea | ah, -a Regions, i see |
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| 09:55.10 | eleftherios | yep, works now |
| 09:55.26 | solar_sea | great, apt-spy just wiped out the sources.list :) |
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| 09:56.17 | eleftherios | solar_sea, yes it overwrites it I think |
| 09:56.48 | solar_sea | yes, but it overwrited it with |
| 09:56.52 | solar_sea | deb (null) unstable main |
| 09:57.08 | solar_sea | and deb-scr (null) unstable main |
| 09:57.13 | eleftherios | :-/ |
| 09:57.22 | solar_sea | atleast I had Some kind of mirror before this .. :) |
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| 09:58.35 | concept10 | its surprising how many libraries and junk you dont need on your distro |
| 09:59.39 | solar_sea | so, any ideas what is the required -d distribution, because both unstable and testing just nullify the sources.list |
| 10:00.01 | StyXman | solar_sea: try http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
| 10:00.08 | simonrvn | deb-src |
| 10:00.29 | solar_sea | I mena, while using apt-spy |
| 10:01.05 | solar_sea | mean* |
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| 10:01.54 | simonrvn | now you know why you should make backups |
| 10:02.14 | solar_sea | Now I know why should I use a testing or daily build |
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| 10:02.45 | simonrvn | they have nothing to do with it. |
| 10:02.52 | solar_sea | sadly, nothing else worked, the sarge build was unable to detect my hard drives, the kmuto build was unable to work with the nvidia driver |
| 10:03.00 | solar_sea | why shouldn't* |
| 10:03.25 | simonrvn | it's called testing for a reason |
| 10:03.35 | simonrvn | even more so a daily |
| 10:03.36 | solar_sea | :) |
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| 10:04.18 | solar_sea | it would be just great if there was a sarge netinst build with support for sata drives |
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| 10:04.52 | wols | there is: kmuto |
| 10:05.00 | StyXman | solar_sea: did you try kmuto's isos? |
| 10:05.08 | solar_sea | yes, and the nvidia driver fails to compile against kmuto headers |
| 10:05.09 | wols | and nvidia can work with that too. you just have to compile your own kernel moduel |
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| 10:06.36 | solar_sea | funny, yesterday I was told - use kmuto. today after struggling with it, i was told - use the daily etch, now back to kmuto again. funny :) |
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| 10:07.29 | wols | with a desktop or notebook I'd go etch (at least) myself |
| 10:07.29 | StyXman | solar_sea: different people, different ideas |
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| 10:08.30 | solar_sea | well, anyway, i'm going back to win to burn a kmuto iso, then i'll try to make my own kernel. thanks ppl |
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| 10:17.38 | simonrvn | !kernel |
| 10:17.40 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.20.3, prepatch: 2.6.21-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.21-rc4-git1, 2.4: 2.4.34.1, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.21-rc3-mm2 |
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| 10:30.36 | wols | I wish debian menu were available forwindows |
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| 10:31.44 | StyXman | heeh |
| 10:31.56 | StyXman | I wish there were no windows |
| 10:32.37 | darkstego | StyXman: then we wouldn't have an OS to bash |
| 10:32.49 | StyXman | yes, macosx |
| 10:33.11 | wols | i dont. marketshare should be 30/30/30/10 tho |
| 10:33.32 | wols | StyXman: and RH or linspire |
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| 10:38.10 | StyXman | wols: heheh |
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| 10:41.49 | ^rob^ | hello |
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| 10:42.22 | ^rob^ | how can i change the daily hour in crontab? - crontab -l say - no crontab for root |
| 10:43.12 | psyco-obiwan | ^rob^: its in /etc/cron.daily |
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| 10:43.49 | ^rob^ | psyco-obiwan: i want to change crontab daily hour. |
| 10:45.09 | psyco-obiwan | crontab |
| 10:45.41 | cahoot | it's defined in /etc/crontab |
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| 10:47.32 | ^rob^ | isee ty |
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| 10:49.58 | norbert_ | hi, I'm trying to get an XP harddisk to work with grub, but it doesn't seem to work with ntfs? I'm pretty sure I got the partition right (hd1,0) and I've tried other as well... can anyone give me any pointers? |
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| 10:51.01 | cahoot | norbert_: the example in menu.lst doesn't do it? |
| 10:51.15 | tp76 | norbert_: did you set chainloader? |
| 10:51.25 | norbert_ | chainloader is set to +1 |
| 10:51.30 | norbert_ | the example doesn't work, no |
| 10:51.34 | norbert_ | unfortunately not |
| 10:51.41 | cahoot | norbert_: error msg? |
| 10:52.50 | norbert_ | different ones, I'll reboot and write them down, and get back to you ;-) |
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| 10:57.16 | norbert_ | ok, it says "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" |
| 10:57.33 | norbert_ | I checked and it's the right harddisk and the right partition |
| 10:57.47 | norbert_ | and it's ntfs |
| 10:58.02 | norbert_ | I'm able to mount it using # mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windowsXP |
| 10:59.28 | norbert_ | (using debian testing, everything is upto-apt-date |
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| 10:59.58 | CharminTheMoose | I'm having a bit of a problem with this mini distro i'm making, the PATH variable doesn't get loaded in any of my init.d scripts and I have to do 'PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin ; export PATH' manually. anyone know the cause of this strange behaviour? |
| 11:00.02 | norbert_ | (Google mentiones something like rootnoverify) |
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| 11:00.45 | Ankman | put it to /etc/profiles |
| 11:02.03 | k31th | Guys where is the postfix.pd to normally on a debian box? |
| 11:02.54 | CharminTheMoose | Ankman, are you talking to me? |
| 11:03.22 | enyc | k31th: hrrm im not familiar with that file... cant see it in package listings... which version you running? |
| 11:04.33 | k31th | what ever is in sarge. |
| 11:04.35 | enyc | k31th: policy daemon or osmeithg? |
| 11:05.10 | enyc | k31th: well 'locate postfix/pd' or sometihng? |
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| 11:05.14 | enyc | k31th: what you trying to do? |
| 11:05.18 | k31th | enyc: this is for monit so if it crashes it restarts it. |
| 11:05.25 | k31th | enyc: for example ssh would be |
| 11:05.27 | k31th | check process sshd with pidfile /var/run/sshd.pid |
| 11:06.00 | Ankman | put it to /etc/profile wothout s sorry |
| 11:06.06 | enyc | k31th: i see... OOOOOH you are looking for the _pid_ file ! |
| 11:06.14 | enyc | k31th: sorry you said postfix.pd |
| 11:06.16 | k31th | enyc: yeah :D |
| 11:06.19 | k31th | sorry |
| 11:06.23 | enyc | k31th: error in k31t! |
| 11:06.23 | k31th | thats "my bad" |
| 11:06.53 | enyc | k31th: look in /var/run |
| 11:06.54 | Ankman | CharminTheMoose: yes, /etc/profile |
| 11:06.56 | enyc | k31th: its likely in there |
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| 11:09.05 | enyc | k31th: you found it? |
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| 11:09.21 | P|Pe | moin |
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| 11:10.03 | P|Pe | Weis jemand wie ich 2 netwerke miteinander verbinde? |
| 11:10.14 | sussudio | %dachs P|Pe |
| 11:10.14 | badgers | P|Pe: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
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| 11:10.37 | P|Pe | mmh ist wohl ein rtsel^^ |
| 11:10.52 | sussudio | P|Pe: man route |
| 11:11.06 | P|Pe | jaja hab schon nur |
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| 11:12.10 | P|Pe | also mein rechner heir 192.168.11.21 soll ber eth0 11.30 nen anderen rechner (11.40) ans inet verbinden |
| 11:12.30 | P|Pe | gut das sind jetzt nicht 2 verschiedene netze |
| 11:12.41 | P|Pe | aber so klappt eben auch net |
| 11:13.29 | P|Pe | 192.168.11.40 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 11:13.29 | P|Pe | 192.168.11.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 ra0 |
| 11:13.29 | P|Pe | default fritz.fonwlan.b 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ra0 |
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| 11:14.33 | P|Pe | vom laptop aus kann ich alle alle anpingen vom 2ten rechner aus nur bis zu ra0 alle karten |
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| 11:14.57 | liable | wtf! |
| 11:15.10 | P|Pe | ich glaube der wlanrouter kann mit der 40 nicht viel anfangen oder |
| 11:15.12 | liable | P|Pe: dude, english please, also dont paste here |
| 11:15.14 | cusco | hello |
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| 11:15.16 | cusco | !de |
| 11:15.16 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 11:15.31 | cusco | we cannot understand your language |
| 11:15.39 | streuner | P|Pe: englisch und paste uns nicht den Channel voll |
| 11:15.39 | P|Pe | ia..oups |
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| 11:16.05 | P|Pe | yes okay okay ... i |
| 11:16.14 | P|Pe | have it okay |
| 11:16.21 | streuner | P|Pe: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 11:16.41 | streuner | P|Pe: everything about networking you make via interfaces in Debian |
| 11:16.44 | k31th | how do i find /etc/profile pid? |
| 11:16.51 | liable | that dachs cmd is too funny |
| 11:17.16 | liable | k31th: its bash |
| 11:17.36 | streuner | liable: dachs=badger ;-) |
| 11:18.04 | xand | 2007-03-17 11:16:41 < streuner> P|Pe: everything about networking you make via interfaces in Debian |
| 11:18.07 | xand | that's not true |
| 11:18.08 | liable | streuner: coming from sussudio how could it be any other :) |
| 11:18.10 | streuner | !tell P|Pe about guidelines |
| 11:18.36 | streuner | liable: dachs is german and he is dutch |
| 11:19.02 | liable | streuner: maybe, but he seems to have an affection for badgers.. |
| 11:19.11 | P|Pe | mmh okay sry for all .. |
| 11:19.17 | streuner | P|Pe: keep the convo here in channel and ask the channel - need some food... |
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| 11:20.39 | streuner | P|Pe: look at the examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/ |
| 11:20.50 | streuner | P|Pe: there should be an example |
| 11:21.06 | P|Pe | to connect two networks? |
| 11:21.41 | sebell | Hi all, is there a gtk specific configuration for sub-pixel rendering? I selected `never' in dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config, but Iceweasel still uses sub-pixel rendering |
| 11:21.52 | streuner | P|Pe: ask the channel, i need food ;-) |
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| 11:22.41 | streuner | P|Pe: in general each box need to know the route to each other... |
| 11:22.57 | streuner | man hosts |
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| 11:23.05 | streuner | man route |
| 11:23.34 | P|Pe | understanding man route is not very easy.. |
| 11:24.09 | streuner | what you need is rather ipmasq |
| 11:24.14 | liable | it has examples though |
| 11:25.05 | streuner | one box should run in your case as gateway and the other box as client, you need to run ipmasq on the gateway (box which is connected to i-net) |
| 11:25.52 | streuner | on the client-side you simply install ipmasq as well and set the client up via interfaces |
| 11:26.09 | capiira | hi anybody know a way to make scribus use the gnome or Qt theme? |
| 11:26.14 | streuner | interfaces makes sure that the client knows the route.... |
| 11:26.26 | P|Pe | i`ll try it .. streuner |
| 11:26.42 | capiira | that motif style is so ugly |
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| 11:28.20 | P|Pe | mmh change my ip addresses a little so now i have two really different networks.. but i think i have to setup back route , have i? |
| 11:28.55 | kalve | I have debian with a Intel 945G video card on my laptop.. I use the i810 driver.. How can I make sure my 3D support is OK? Tried running ppracer, but it runs really bad.. |
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| 11:31.42 | P|Pe | mmh okay my second host from ..1.2 con ping to ..11.21 but not to the inetrouter so you think i need ipmasq ? |
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| 11:33.28 | P5YCH0 | any tech experts here |
| 11:33.30 | P5YCH0 | have unique prob |
| 11:34.12 | nalioth | P5YCH0: watch yourself |
| 11:34.27 | liable | !ask |
| 11:34.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:34.27 | zamuro | !ask |
| 11:34.30 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 11:34.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:34.30 | P5YCH0 | watch myself |
| 11:34.33 | P5YCH0 | watch myself do what |
| 11:34.35 | P5YCH0 | u gona video tape me |
| 11:34.37 | P5YCH0 | naked or something |
| 11:34.40 | P5YCH0 | witha condom on |
| 11:34.45 | zamuro | !anyone uses tech |
| 11:34.46 | P5YCH0 | fuckin queer |
| 11:34.46 | liable | are you nekid? |
| 11:34.53 | liable | hah |
| 11:35.11 | zamuro | LOL... wth was that?! |
| 11:35.37 | nalioth | zamuro: troll. |
| 11:35.39 | liable | a slightly confused individual that decided to pick on a staffer |
| 11:36.03 | enyc | k31th: meep |
| 11:36.09 | nalioth | followed him here from another channel (where he was tearin' it up |
| 11:36.14 | nalioth | you guys got off lightly :) |
| 11:36.16 | liable | oh |
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| 11:36.22 | liable | !beer nalioth |
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| 11:37.38 | zamuro | oh, btw... |
| 11:37.52 | zamuro | nalioth: U're a staffer, right? |
| 11:38.47 | liable | U're? hangovers make your spelling suck ass?? :P |
| 11:39.06 | zamuro | liable: LOL... sorta |
| 11:39.26 | nalioth | zamuro: last time i looked :) |
| 11:39.31 | zamuro | hahahahaha |
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| 11:39.49 | liable | sorry, there has to be at least one grammar nazi in this channel at all times |
| 11:40.00 | liable | :) |
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| 11:40.04 | zamuro | OK... Can I prive you? I got a requirement to make. |
| 11:40.07 | xand | liable: "arse" not "ass" :P |
| 11:40.27 | liable | xand: depends where your from, your english eh? |
| 11:40.30 | zamuro | liable: I know... I'm just like that on the spanish channel :P |
| 11:40.33 | xand | "your"? |
| 11:40.39 | xand | :P |
| 11:40.40 | liable | heh |
| 11:40.57 | nalioth | zamuro: did you need something? |
| 11:41.10 | liable | i actually have a habit of doing that to annoy the usual grammar nazis here :P |
| 11:41.11 | zamuro | nalioth: Yup... a cloaking for my host |
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| 11:44.31 | streuner | P|Pe: yes, install ipmasq on the client as well |
| 11:44.52 | streuner | P|Pe: and show us your interfaces file in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
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| 11:46.31 | liable | on the client? |
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| 11:47.31 | streuner | you heard what liable said, so don't install ipmasq on the client |
| 11:48.09 | lunitik | IRC has audio capabilities now? |
| 11:48.18 | Sazpaimon | so I'm going to re-image my server, is there any way I can redirect all domains on specific IPs to a static page offsite? |
| 11:48.24 | ciop | hahaha |
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| 11:49.22 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: let another machine temporary take the ip? |
| 11:49.25 | streuner | lunitik: i heard him :-P |
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| 11:49.51 | Sazpaimon | that'd make sense |
| 11:50.01 | Sazpaimon | i havent had to do this in a long while |
| 11:50.09 | Sazpaimon | so I'm not sure how to go about this |
| 11:50.10 | liable | lunitik: install festival!! :) |
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| 11:51.37 | P|Pe | argh .. after installing iqmasq -> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
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| 11:51.53 | hid3 | Hello everyone. My machine has two SCSI harddrives: sda and sdb. sda is the main (system) disk and sdb is a backup drive. The matter is that sdb gets used only once a month (when some backups are done) and all the time it is umounted and just spins. The question: is it a good idea to put that scsi drive (sdb) into some standby mode while it is not being used? If yes, then how? |
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| 11:53.27 | liable | hid3: if its as you say, only used every once a month or so, i would spin it down. hdparm is the tool |
| 11:54.03 | hid3 | I've heard that hdparm does not work with scsi disks.. |
| 11:54.07 | streuner | P|Pe: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 11:54.15 | streuner | sure not |
| 11:54.39 | liable | hid3: i heard that also, theres also sdparm |
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| 11:54.48 | hid3 | Thanks, will try it |
| 11:54.53 | liable | hdparm work on my sata disk though |
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| 11:55.19 | hid3 | well, sata != scsi :-) |
| 11:55.27 | liable | sure |
| 11:55.59 | liable | !moo |
| 11:55.59 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 11:56.38 | P|Pe | Linux version 2.6.18.3 |
| 11:56.42 | sebell | Does anyone know how to disable sub-pixel rendering in GTK+2 apps? (Specificall Iceweasel) |
| 11:56.48 | liable | hrm, its almost like he was summonsed by that moo!! |
| 11:56.55 | streuner | P|Pe: we need the whole output of this command |
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| 11:57.16 | P|Pe | Linux version 2.6.18.3-IR (root@stAr) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #14 PREEMPT Thu Nov 30 13:31:04 CET 2006 |
| 11:57.17 | Sazpaimon | alright |
| 11:57.33 | Sazpaimon | so as it turns out i have no idea how to redirect these IPs |
| 11:57.43 | streuner | P|Pe: well, just use an official kernel then |
| 11:57.50 | liable | P|Pe: where did you get that kernel from? |
| 11:57.56 | Sazpaimon | dammit |
| 11:57.59 | streuner | custom kernel... |
| 11:58.04 | P|Pe | i made it self |
| 11:58.10 | P|Pe | long time ago..^^ |
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| 11:59.45 | cookoo | gave up on sound server for now that isnt easy for me |
| 11:59.59 | liable | P|Pe: that error is a bit unusual, did you deselect ipfiltering in your config or summin? |
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| 12:00.23 | cookoo | i networked 3 together with nfs and cups that is sweet |
| 12:00.42 | P|Pe | mmh i check the kernel.config |
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| 12:00.59 | thrall | when running an nfs server in debian, are the ports random or always the same? |
| 12:01.12 | liable | as a server, the same |
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| 12:01.23 | streuner | not always the same |
| 12:01.44 | liable | how do you connect to a random port? |
| 12:01.55 | thrall | through the portmapper usually |
| 12:01.57 | streuner | portmap |
| 12:01.59 | abrotman | i think there's two ? |
| 12:02.03 | liable | point |
| 12:02.09 | P|Pe | CONFIG_IP_NF_FILTER=y |
| 12:02.09 | P|Pe | # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_REJECT is not set |
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| 12:02.32 | streuner | install an official kernel, less headaches |
| 12:02.33 | P|Pe | so filtering is biuld in |
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| 12:02.39 | cookoo | is it easy to hack through a firewalled router? |
| 12:02.41 | liable | P|Pe: install a debian kernel, see if the problem stops, then come back |
| 12:02.49 | P|Pe | ai.. |
| 12:03.18 | cookoo | im just kind of worried about having three exposed |
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| 12:03.55 | thrall | cookoo: depends on how well configured it is. |
| 12:04.08 | cookoo | expecially when i dont know what im doing |
| 12:04.16 | liable | hah |
| 12:04.25 | liable | thats qotd material |
| 12:05.00 | cookoo | im lost in the middle of debian |
| 12:05.06 | streuner | hehe, true :-) |
| 12:05.07 | thrall | then try. worst thing that can happen is you get hacked and then you'll have to secure it up. |
| 12:05.20 | liable | cookoo: is it warm and squishy? |
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| 12:05.38 | cookoo | no its cold and brutal |
| 12:05.44 | liable | hehe |
| 12:06.01 | cookoo | is this going to get me anywhere in life? |
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| 12:06.13 | liable | no |
| 12:06.24 | cookoo | knowing debian? because im devoting alot of time to this |
| 12:06.47 | liable | its a hobby |
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| 12:07.01 | cookoo | o no |
| 12:07.13 | liable | unless you sysadmin for a living, its a great way to waste your life away :P |
| 12:07.14 | thrall | not entirely true. it's definitely possible to make money of this. |
| 12:07.57 | simonrvn | for sure. i have |
| 12:08.11 | cookoo | what do you do simon? |
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| 12:08.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: alternately .. you'd have wasted your life eating poutine otherwise ... |
| 12:08.27 | simonrvn | just sysadmin for some community groups |
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| 12:08.53 | liable | at least it makes you think... |
| 12:08.55 | RvGaTe | Any IP/Subnet calculators for debian ? |
| 12:08.55 | Marenz | hmmm i got this problem: fresh installed mysql-server-5.0 on etch, amd64, starting failed: [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Incorrect file format 'host' |
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| 12:09.02 | cookoo | im starting a computer repair business |
| 12:09.06 | simonrvn | RvGaTe: pick one |
| 12:09.19 | RvGaTe | simonrvn, ehm.. where? |
| 12:09.29 | simonrvn | from apt-cache search of course |
| 12:10.02 | cookoo | still no stoned? |
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| 12:10.12 | cookoo | abrotman |
| 12:10.20 | abrotman | do we want him? |
| 12:10.25 | cookoo | yes |
| 12:10.30 | cookoo | hes cool |
| 12:10.46 | cookoo | and pretty smart |
| 12:10.48 | liable | did he get banned or something? |
| 12:11.26 | liable | haha, cookoo are you stoned?? |
| 12:11.32 | cookoo | hes netless |
| 12:11.39 | abrotman | cookoo: and constantly off-topic and whining about things that no one else cares about |
| 12:11.42 | liable | or did he pay you? :P |
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| 12:12.05 | cookoo | off topic whats the topic |
| 12:12.15 | abrotman | Debian ? |
| 12:12.16 | simonrvn | totally different part of turtle island |
| 12:12.20 | RvGaTe | simonrvn, http://www.debain.org/software/gip/ thx :) just what i needed |
| 12:12.35 | abrotman | that's a gtk app |
| 12:12.36 | cookoo | no way |
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| 12:13.09 | RvGaTe | abrotman, if i needed a console type/txt based thingy, i wouldn't install that :P |
| 12:13.11 | cookoo | no one was talking isnt this supposed to be a community? |
| 12:13.21 | abrotman | RvGaTe: google has a lot also |
| 12:13.25 | liable | abrotman: i thought you were a gnometard? |
| 12:13.29 | jelly-home | cookoo: no... it's a support channel |
| 12:13.42 | simonrvn | !pal liable |
| 12:13.48 | abrotman | cookoo: he doesn't do it when no one is talking .. he just runs off his mouth clogging the channel with useless drivel |
| 12:13.55 | abrotman | liable: i am .. |
| 12:14.08 | liable | so am I atm.. |
| 12:14.18 | abrotman | liable: doesn't change that it's overkill for what he needs :) |
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| 12:14.38 | abrotman | though i'm not aware of a text/ncurses alternative |
| 12:14.42 | cookoo | drivel? i dont come in here and ask a bunch of questions because i dont have to |
| 12:14.47 | simonrvn | ipcalc ... |
| 12:15.10 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: apt-cache search ip.\*calculator ? |
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| 12:15.17 | abrotman | ah yeah .. shows you how much i use them :) |
| 12:15.24 | RvGaTe | jelly-home, got one, gip.. |
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| 12:15.48 | jelly-home | oh, ok then |
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| 12:16.07 | RvGaTe | jelly-home, unless you know a better one.. |
| 12:17.00 | liable | i need some agent orange for mosquito control |
| 12:17.10 | abrotman | eat beans! |
| 12:17.12 | liable | erm, ddt |
| 12:17.12 | RvGaTe | anyway, im off, cya all, and thx for the help |
| 12:17.16 | cookoo | lets stay on topic |
| 12:17.18 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: I only know of ipcalc |
| 12:17.28 | liable | abrotman: i think they are attracted to gas! |
| 12:17.33 | cookoo | topic nazi will get you |
| 12:17.37 | abrotman | CO2 actually |
| 12:18.09 | liable | isnt c02 a gas? |
| 12:18.12 | abrotman | afaik anyways |
| 12:18.24 | jelly-home | cookoo: there's probably a reason for #debian-offtopic |
| 12:18.27 | simonrvn | co2 and heat |
| 12:18.32 | simonrvn | CO2 |
| 12:18.54 | cookoo | i love to talk about debian |
| 12:19.06 | abrotman | what part of debian owuld you like to talk about ? |
| 12:19.23 | cookoo | lets talk about the new kde |
| 12:19.30 | abrotman | what new kde ? |
| 12:19.30 | liable | does it make you horny? |
| 12:19.36 | cookoo | 4 |
| 12:19.41 | abrotman | that's not in debian |
| 12:19.43 | liable | sorry.. |
| 12:19.43 | abrotman | next question .. |
| 12:19.56 | RvGaTe | abrotman, dont be so harse :P |
| 12:20.01 | abrotman | harsh |
| 12:20.04 | cookoo | why isnt that going to be in debian? |
| 12:20.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: don't be a hearse! |
| 12:20.09 | RvGaTe | yeah, thats what i was looking for :P |
| 12:20.12 | abrotman | it will be .. eventually .. |
| 12:20.23 | abrotman | but AFAIK .. kde4 hasn't been released yet |
| 12:20.24 | cookoo | ok then lets talk about it |
| 12:20.34 | liable | no thanks |
| 12:20.51 | abrotman | i'm not even sure they've hit RC levels yet |
| 12:20.54 | jelly-home | let's talk about TeX baby |
| 12:20.54 | cookoo | lets talk aboaut synaptic compaired to aptitude |
| 12:21.03 | RvGaTe | hahaha, this is so funny... anyway, im off... jelly-home thx for the tip ;) |
| 12:21.18 | cookoo | i like synaptic |
| 12:21.27 | abrotman | then use it! |
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| 12:22.17 | norbert_ | hi all, I'm trying really hard to get a Windows harddisk to be mounted and being readable /and/ writable, but I keep getting vim telling me I can't write anything to the harddisk |
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| 12:22.23 | norbert_ | this is the line I'm using in fstab: |
| 12:22.31 | norbert_ | /dev/hdb1 /home/lindsay/windows ntfs rw,noauto,user,uid=1001,gid=1000 |
| 12:22.35 | jelly-home | !ntfsrw |
| 12:22.36 | dpkg | i heard ntfsrw is for beta-qualiy write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
| 12:23.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, ntfsrw =~ s/qualiy/quality/ |
| 12:23.06 | dpkg | jelly-home: OK |
| 12:23.23 | streuner | norbert_: VFAT or NTFS? |
| 12:23.27 | norbert_ | ntfs |
| 12:23.32 | liable | is it still beta? |
| 12:23.44 | asg | liable: it's Windows, of course it is |
| 12:23.50 | norbert_ | does this mean I can't write to the harddisk? or should it work but is unreliable? |
| 12:23.59 | streuner | yes |
| 12:24.04 | liable | i was led to believe it was fairly alright |
| 12:24.06 | jelly-home | ntfs-3g#/dev/sda1 /win fuse defaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022 0 0 |
| 12:24.07 | streuner | don't use ntfsrw |
| 12:24.21 | jelly-home | ^^ works-for-me |
| 12:24.50 | liable | your boxen is called ntfs-3g? |
| 12:24.55 | norbert_ | fuse, what's that, it's not in the man page... |
| 12:24.56 | jelly-home | unfortunately ntfs-3g 1.0 is only in experimental |
| 12:25.06 | abrotman | ntfsro! |
| 12:25.08 | norbert_ | I'm using debian testing (etch) |
| 12:25.28 | jelly-home | liable: no, that's funny syntax for fuse-based filesystems |
| 12:25.39 | streuner | !info ntfs-3g experimental |
| 12:25.43 | dpkg | ntfs-3g: (read-write NTFS driver for FUSE), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:1.0-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 12:25.48 | liable | jelly-home: eek, tis funny |
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| 12:26.14 | filip | hi :) |
| 12:26.16 | liable | hrm, when did dpkg start doing experimental? |
| 12:26.22 | jelly-home | !ntfs-3g |
| 12:26.22 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is, like, a new driver for NTFS with write support, available in etch and Debian unstable. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 12:26.27 | norbert_ | guys, just one question: can I use ntfs write on a friends harddisk when I don't want it to be destroyed |
| 12:26.47 | norbert_ | and what is that "fuse" thing, it's not in the man page |
| 12:26.53 | liable | norbert_: for a lasting friendship, no. :) |
| 12:26.53 | filip | I am installing debian etch with debootstrap on an ARM machine |
| 12:26.54 | norbert_ | it's all very confusing |
| 12:26.58 | filip | according to this: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/apcs04.html.en#id2530609 |
| 12:27.04 | jelly-home | norbert_: it's a different driver for ntfs. |
| 12:27.05 | asg | norbert_: /msg dpkg fuse |
| 12:27.30 | filip | I should run /usr/sbin/base-config new |
| 12:27.37 | filip | but the installed system lacks this binary :/ |
| 12:27.50 | jelly-home | norbert_: Linux has about 3 separate and different methods to mount ntfs, you can't get much more confiusing than that |
| 12:27.51 | liable | filip: etch doesnt have base-config |
| 12:28.15 | asg | filip: you're reading sarge docs |
| 12:28.20 | filip | ahh |
| 12:28.23 | liable | filip: sarge was the last to have it |
| 12:28.25 | jelly-home | norbert_: but if you want write support, ntfs-3g is your best bet |
| 12:28.26 | filip | where can I find etch installation manual? |
| 12:28.32 | filip | I couldn't find it |
| 12:29.00 | liable | !ig |
| 12:29.00 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4). |
| 12:29.14 | filip | :) |
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| 12:29.25 | filip | thanks |
| 12:29.26 | norbert_ | but that's still too scary "best bet" |
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| 12:29.44 | norbert_ | I've just told him I'll give him read only, he can write things to his usb stick |
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| 12:29.51 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 12:29.51 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 12:30.06 | filip | However, for arm, the manual has not been fully updated and fact checked for |
| 12:30.07 | filip | :/ |
| 12:30.37 | liable | filip: good time to help debian! document your problems :) |
| 12:30.43 | abrotman | norbert_: there's also captiventfs |
| 12:30.54 | filip | liable: I will |
| 12:30.54 | liable | -e |
| 12:30.55 | massctrl | hi when new to debian, which package handler you advice me to concentrate on and using? |
| 12:31.03 | asg | massctrl: aptitude |
| 12:31.04 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 12:31.10 | larsl | massctrl: apt-get |
| 12:31.23 | liable | dselect!! |
| 12:31.31 | massctrl | hm |
| 12:31.33 | filip | hardware clock... I don't have a RTC :/ |
| 12:31.36 | nivanson | massctrl: aptitide, really. :) |
| 12:31.38 | liable | wheres jetscreamer when you need him |
| 12:31.44 | jelly-home | abrotman: captiventfs should be left to rot peacefully! |
| 12:31.59 | abrotman | liable: probably trying to dig out from some dselect conflict |
| 12:32.05 | liable | hehe |
| 12:32.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: i just mentioned it .. i wouldn't let it near my data :) |
| 12:32.25 | massctrl | anyone knows a good article somewhere about the different debian packages handlers? |
| 12:32.42 | larsl | massctrl: As far as I know there is only one package system. |
| 12:32.44 | liable | massctrl: really, aptitude is teh shizzle |
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| 12:33.02 | jelly-home | wtfizzle? |
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| 12:34.12 | liable | teh fizzle dum shizzle |
| 12:34.12 | liable | ?? |
| 12:34.12 | yellow_chicken | how to tell /etc/apt/source.list to use iso for a machine that has no internet access? |
| 12:34.13 | nivanson | larsl: He never said there were mulitply systems, only handlers. |
| 12:34.13 | abrotman | apt-cdrom |
| 12:34.14 | liable | has that even survived the etch upgrade?? |
| 12:34.36 | abrotman | yep |
| 12:34.55 | liable | hrm, not in sid |
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| 12:34.57 | filip | wtf, deb htp://debootstrap.invalid/ etch main in /etc/apt/sources.list ;P |
| 12:35.00 | roger21 | hello |
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| 12:35.16 | yellow_chicken | abrotman: thanks |
| 12:35.17 | liable | !info apt-cdrom etch |
| 12:35.29 | abrotman | !find apt-cdrom etch |
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| 12:35.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-cdrom' (4): (/usr/bin/apt-cdrom) in admin/apt ;; (/usr/share/fish/completions/apt-cdrom.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-cdrom-check) in gnome/update-notifier ;; (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/apt-cdrom.html) in non-free/doc/dahb-html. |
| 12:35.48 | abrotman | !find apt-cdrom sid |
| 12:35.55 | liable | ok, ok |
| 12:35.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-cdrom' (4): (/usr/bin/apt-cdrom) in admin/apt ;; (/usr/share/fish/completions/apt-cdrom.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-cdrom-check) in gnome/update-notifier ;; (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/apt-cdrom.html) in non-free/doc/dahb-html. |
| 12:36.02 | roger21 | i've got no sound with helix-player, i read it uses oss, ithink i use alsa (vlc work fine) can i do somethin to get helix player make noise ? |
| 12:36.04 | liable | you win :P |
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| 12:36.18 | abrotman | roger21: snd-pcm-oss might help |
| 12:37.48 | roger21 | abrotman, er it is not a command i have nor a package, what is it |
| 12:37.54 | abrotman | module |
| 12:38.11 | jelly-home | aoss wrapper ftw! |
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| 12:38.38 | abrotman | i can't believe someone actually uses helix |
| 12:38.46 | hark | alsa-oss, but mplayer's better |
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| 12:39.12 | liable | abrotman: dont let her hear you say that! |
| 12:39.15 | jelly-home | mplayer's realmedia support can get all jittery |
| 12:39.19 | juice` | is there any backup tool that will only copy files that changed durning last backup? something like rsync, but rsync is unusable so something else |
| 12:39.22 | DavidProck1981 | hay, does any one play Diablo 2 LOD , Off Line or On Line |
| 12:39.28 | abrotman | liable: not a problem .. she hasn't been in here in ages |
| 12:39.33 | petemc | juice`: how is rsync unusable? |
| 12:39.38 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: wrong channel |
| 12:39.41 | jelly-home | juice`: what's wrong w/ rsync? |
| 12:39.43 | roger21 | abrotman, thx :) it works now |
| 12:39.52 | abrotman | roger21: you might want to put that in your /etc/modules |
| 12:39.53 | juice` | petemc: it is using up 1GB of memory and still growing ? |
| 12:39.54 | liable | abrotman: meh, your supposed to laugh goddamn you! |
| 12:39.59 | roger21 | yep ok |
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| 12:40.04 | petemc | juice`: it doesnt do that here |
| 12:40.07 | abrotman | liable: you're ? |
| 12:40.14 | liable | !beat abrotman |
| 12:40.14 | juice` | petemc: how many files you have? |
| 12:40.26 | petemc | juice`: ive backed up many hundreds of gigs with rsync |
| 12:40.27 | abrotman | juice`: is it the first time you're running it ? |
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| 12:40.38 | jelly-home | juice`: don't use it on the whole tree at once, maybe |
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| 12:41.06 | juice` | abrotman: nope, like 100th, and it is confirmed problem, that will be solved in 3.0 |
| 12:41.08 | roger21 | well i use it with realplayer codecs and plugins to play rm (vlc not so ggod with realmedias) |
| 12:41.21 | abrotman | helix player doesn't do that |
| 12:41.41 | juice` | jelly-home: good idea,but that's hard, i have many big trees, would have to write many small scripts for every tree |
| 12:41.53 | asg | juice`: use dump / restore |
| 12:42.03 | jelly-home | juice`: well, most other backup utilities can do incremental backups based on file timestamps |
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| 12:43.02 | yellow_chicken | abrotman: once [apt-cdrom -d /home/chicken/file.iso add ] is done, apt-get will bypass any attempts trying to connect to internet to get updates and syn? |
| 12:43.03 | juice` | will try dump/restore then, thanks. did apt-cache search backup but too many come out |
| 12:43.17 | abrotman | yellow_chicken: if those http sources are commented out .. yes |
| 12:43.22 | juice` | i could use CVS version of rsync, but i'm afraid :) |
| 12:43.28 | rpc | does anyone know how the cluster size affects performance of a disk? |
| 12:43.29 | jelly-home | ... oh fuck, there's no manual for tar in Debian. |
| 12:43.31 | liable | should check cd first |
| 12:43.35 | yellow_chicken | abrotman: ok, i should do that too. |
| 12:43.40 | liable | jelly-home: eh? |
| 12:43.41 | abrotman | jelly-home: ? |
| 12:43.48 | jelly-home | gfdl. |
| 12:43.55 | abrotman | i have it on my box |
| 12:44.00 | abrotman | oh wait .. i have non-free |
| 12:44.03 | liable | !gfdl |
| 12:44.03 | dpkg | methinks gfdl is the GNU "free"documentation license, see discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html |
| 12:44.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: you might have the man page |
| 12:44.10 | liable | oh's |
| 12:44.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: i do :) |
| 12:44.18 | LightKnight | abrotman: Hi again :) You know what -- rebooted my machine this morning, no more crashing when selecting preferences :-) |
| 12:44.19 | jelly-home | man page != manual |
| 12:44.22 | simonrvn | i do too |
| 12:44.36 | simonrvn | blah blah |
| 12:44.36 | abrotman | LightKnight: i'd do a memtest for a few hours/days :) |
| 12:44.59 | jelly-home | memtest86+ even |
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| 12:45.01 | liable | i thought man stood for manual?? |
| 12:45.08 | simonrvn | manual page |
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| 12:45.25 | jelly-home | liable: no, for GNU folks, info stands for manual as that's their preferred format |
| 12:45.28 | Rydekull | jelly-home: err, what I wonder is, why is tar non-free and the man page isnt? |
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| 12:45.31 | juice` | jelly-home: it seems dump is for ext2 file systsems, i have other fs |
| 12:45.35 | liable | info shits me |
| 12:45.38 | LightKnight | abrotman: mmm... sounds like a good idea. Any recommended practices to do it? Just boot from a clean bootdisk and run "memtest-whatever"? |
| 12:45.43 | simonrvn | Rydekull: er what? no, the opposite |
| 12:45.45 | jelly-home | juice`: well then, tar or something else |
| 12:45.48 | juice` | anything more modern than dump/restore to make backups ? |
| 12:45.57 | liable | i fucking hate man pages that are shit and refer you to info |
| 12:45.58 | simonrvn | !shit liable |
| 12:45.59 | Rydekull | simonrvn: ... I meant that, confused :D |
| 12:46.01 | simonrvn | damn |
| 12:46.04 | abrotman | LightKnight: use the funny bootable ISO at their website (use a CDRW if you can) .. let it run for a long time |
| 12:46.08 | Rydekull | simonrvn: im lost in regexps and peeking at irc ;) |
| 12:46.13 | jelly-home | liable: this one refers to a web page ;-) |
| 12:46.14 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 12:46.35 | jelly-home | Rydekull: tar is free afaik? |
| 12:46.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: he got confused ... he's swedish! |
| 12:46.51 | juice` | don't want to use tar, i want those files to be acessible. ok, anyone heard about any project like rsync to make backups ? tried google and apt-cache and couldnt find anything |
| 12:46.51 | Rydekull | jelly-home: as simonrvn pointed out to me, I said it the wrong way aronud, confusion is a bastard |
| 12:46.53 | tp76 | Info becomes useful when "man foo | wc -l" exceeds 1000 or some such. Really, do you find man gcc that easy to navigate? ;-) |
| 12:46.53 | jelly-home | Rydekull: but its documentation is not DFSG compliant |
| 12:47.01 | LightKnight | abrotman: gonna dig up on the subject. Thank you for now :) |
| 12:47.07 | abrotman | enjoy! |
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| 12:47.25 | Rydekull | jelly-home: which is what I wonder, why is the command but not the documentation not DFSG compilant? sounds... weird |
| 12:47.26 | liable | tp76: only masochists read man gcc |
| 12:47.28 | nutria | hi guys |
| 12:47.30 | jelly-home | juice`: why not patch your rsync to fix that one issue |
| 12:47.34 | nutria | I'm a debian addict |
| 12:47.39 | LightKnight | abrotman: I will, for sure. Pity I don't have an RW at hand, just a CD-R ATM, but well, I can live with it :) |
| 12:47.51 | abrotman | okay |
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| 12:47.56 | jelly-home | Rydekull: it's not weird. /msg dpkg gfdl |
| 12:48.01 | juice` | jelly-home: seems this 3.0 version is only on CVS, doesnt sound like it's stable, but i guess i have no choice |
| 12:48.03 | simonrvn | nutria: there's no help gorups, only ones that help you get into further |
| 12:48.03 | LightKnight | and moreover, this can still turn out useful :) |
| 12:48.10 | simonrvn | groups* |
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| 12:48.34 | jelly-home | juice`: depending on how much your data is worth, you might want to look up some commercial bakcup solutions |
| 12:49.04 | jelly-home | juice`: how many files, btw? |
| 12:49.32 | juice` | jelly-home: around 3,000,000, it's not worth much, it's free hosting |
| 12:49.52 | liable | only 3 million eh? |
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| 12:50.11 | juice` | just guessing, it might be 4, forgot when i last counted |
| 12:50.13 | jelly-home | juice`: scripting sounds like the only way. |
| 12:50.18 | space_ninja | is there a netinstall cd for etch? |
| 12:50.27 | liable | space_ninja: yes |
| 12:50.35 | juice` | jelly-home: rsync 3.0 is suppose to start transfering BEFORE it makes whole list of files |
| 12:50.42 | juice` | jelly-home: that could be solution for me |
| 12:50.49 | abrotman | space_ninja: /topic ? |
| 12:50.54 | liable | space_ninja: debian.org/devel/ |
| 12:51.46 | roger21 | (with the codecs and plugins from realplayer it does) |
| 12:52.14 | abrotman | roger21: sure .. then it's not really helix player anymore :) |
| 12:52.26 | roger21 | :p |
| 12:52.28 | space_ninja | I forgot to add, that I have a i686 and not a i386. |
| 12:52.30 | liable | i can feel my laptops hard drive spinning, and its shitting me off. |
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| 12:52.36 | space_ninja | I can't find a i686 iso |
| 12:52.40 | abrotman | space_ninja: /topic ? |
| 12:52.47 | abrotman | use the 386 one |
| 12:53.16 | space_ninja | but |
| 12:53.21 | abrotman | but nothing .. just do it! |
| 12:53.26 | liable | no if's or buts |
| 12:53.35 | abrotman | you forgot ands |
| 12:53.57 | liable | i forget lots |
| 12:55.18 | space_ninja | will etch be frozen when it becomes stable? |
| 12:55.33 | liable | thats the idea |
| 12:55.44 | space_ninja | ok |
| 12:55.58 | Eulex | it's already frozen |
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| 12:56.07 | liable | semi |
| 12:56.23 | abrotman | eh .. it's frozen |
| 12:56.30 | space_ninja | So, isn't it better to have testing instead of a toy story character? |
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| 12:56.45 | abrotman | depends on your needs .. if you have to ask .. probably not |
| 12:56.52 | jelly-home | frozen like really frozen, no new versions of anything come in? |
| 12:56.56 | liable | space_ninja: then what do you call the next testing? |
| 12:57.02 | filip | can I install locale only for one language? |
| 12:57.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: by RM only i believe |
| 12:57.18 | space_ninja | I don't know it getting a new name |
| 12:57.22 | jelly-home | ah, finally |
| 12:57.22 | space_ninja | but the thing is that |
| 12:57.29 | abrotman | right .. then you should track etch .. not testing |
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| 12:57.42 | space_ninja | if you have testing, you will always have testing, if you have etch you will always have etch |
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| 12:57.59 | jelly-home | etch is nice |
| 12:58.07 | Rydekull | im nice |
| 12:58.08 | liable | i am confused as to what your on about |
| 12:58.08 | Rydekull | :P |
| 12:58.21 | liable | !renice Rydekull |
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| 12:58.27 | liable | bleh |
| 12:58.35 | Rydekull | hehe, good thought though |
| 12:59.11 | nutria | I' have some problems with ipcheck and cron. I need ipcheck for web based ip detection, because I'm behind some routers. I have created the .dat file with --makedat option by ipcheck and ipcheck.py -l -r checkip.dyndns.org:8245 $USERNAME $PASSWORD $HOSTNAME works great from shell. Then, using crontab -e I added the line "*/30 * * * * cd /home/luca/ && ipcheck.py -l -r checkip.dyndns.org:8245 $USERNAME $PASSWORD $HOSTNAME", obviou |
| 12:59.11 | nutria | sly not with vars but with values. The syslog tells me that cron is executing the command, however no one file is updated, no webip.out, no ipcheck.log, nothing. Do u have any idea???? Thanks. |
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| 12:59.24 | xand | !u |
| 12:59.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:59.34 | space_ninja | I can't find a testing netinstall iso |
| 12:59.44 | xand | !d-i |
| 12:59.45 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 12:59.56 | xand | space_ninja: there |
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| 13:00.14 | space_ninja | but it's sarge, i want testing |
| 13:00.17 | liable | if you cant find the installer, then you are too dumb to install debian!! :P |
| 13:00.20 | abrotman | space_ninja: no .. you can upgrade from etch later |
| 13:00.21 | space_ninja | sarge is unstable |
| 13:00.26 | xand | erm, no |
| 13:00.28 | xand | sarge is stable |
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| 13:00.34 | xand | and that's not sarge anyway |
| 13:00.53 | liable | abrotman: dont eat the yellow snow |
| 13:00.58 | space_ninja | our snow is gone |
| 13:00.59 | nutria | lol |
| 13:01.00 | space_ninja | finally |
| 13:01.01 | xand | space_ninja: please read that factoid again |
| 13:01.08 | xand | snow? at this time of year? haha |
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| 13:01.30 | abrotman | liable: okay |
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| 13:01.54 | space_ninja | you know, when the other planet has winter, the other has summer |
| 13:02.01 | space_ninja | half of the planet |
| 13:02.06 | xand | yes, it's spring now. |
| 13:02.09 | xand | not winter |
| 13:02.18 | xand | I'm in the northern hemisphere |
| 13:02.23 | liable | hrm, i think its summer here.... |
| 13:02.33 | StyXman | xand: unless you're *really* south |
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| 13:02.41 | xand | I'm in the UK |
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| 13:03.17 | rfrank | how do I insatll xfce icon themes |
| 13:03.22 | liable | its never summer in the UK anyway |
| 13:03.34 | rpc | liable so true |
| 13:03.37 | xand | orly |
| 13:03.37 | liable | its just shitty, or more shitty or less shitty |
| 13:03.46 | rpc | go north and you will see even more shit :) |
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| 13:04.04 | nutria | guys can u help me? please |
| 13:04.11 | rpc | and go very north and you will start to seriously hate it... |
| 13:04.17 | zimnyx | DO you know a deamon that will automaticaly mount new samba shares and umount non active? |
| 13:04.24 | xand | nutria: "you" |
| 13:04.29 | rpc | nutria no |
| 13:04.36 | xand | zimnyx: how would it do that? |
| 13:04.37 | rpc | nutria because you never stated the problem yet |
| 13:04.45 | nutria | yes I did |
| 13:04.51 | nutria | read above |
| 13:04.52 | solar_sea | Is there any deb package designed to test if 3d acceleration is on or any kind of 3d benchmarking ? |
| 13:04.53 | xand | rpc: yes he did... but used non-words like "u" |
| 13:05.14 | zimnyx | xand: smbtree command lists all available shares, what's the problem? |
| 13:05.16 | nutria | solar_sea: glxinfo | grep direct |
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| 13:05.30 | space_ninja | I don't believe this, I've lost 20 empty dvd cd's and now I can't find my 15 cd-rw cds |
| 13:05.40 | xand | zimnyx: you mean for one particular server? mounting samba shares on linux is crappy imo |
| 13:05.43 | solar_sea | nutria, thanks |
| 13:05.46 | nutria | np |
| 13:05.49 | xand | "dvd cd's"? |
| 13:05.55 | space_ninja | someone is stealing my cds |
| 13:06.11 | space_ninja | empty ones |
| 13:06.13 | zimnyx | xand: i'm debian user, how do you advise me to share files with windows users? |
| 13:06.13 | nutria | rpc: I' have some problems with ipcheck and cron. I need ipcheck for web based ip detection, because I'm behind some routers. I have created the .dat file with --makedat option by ipcheck and ipcheck.py -l -r checkip.dyndns.org:8245 $USERNAME $PASSWORD $HOSTNAME works great from shell. Then, using crontab -e I added the line "*/30 * * * * cd /home/luca/ && ipcheck.py -l -r checkip.dyndns.org:8245 $USERNAME $PASSWORD $HOSTNAME", o |
| 13:06.13 | nutria | bviou |
| 13:06.13 | nutria | <nutria> sly not with vars but with values. The syslog tells me that cron is executing the command, however no one file is updated, no webip.out, no ipcheck.log, nothing. Do u have any idea???? Thanks. |
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| 13:06.36 | xand | zimnyx: you're not asking to do that |
| 13:06.36 | nutria | zimnyx: install samba |
| 13:06.45 | zimnyx | nutria: i have one |
| 13:06.46 | xand | zimnyx: you said you wanted to mount them on debian |
| 13:06.53 | zimnyx | i want automounting/umounting |
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| 13:07.01 | zimnyx | xand: correct |
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| 13:07.04 | xand | zimnyx: what does that have to do with windows? |
| 13:07.26 | zimnyx | xand: other PC in lan are windows boxes, just that |
| 13:07.47 | zimnyx | i'm looking for a deamon that will automount/autoumount available samba shares |
| 13:07.52 | xand | zimnyx: so how is something on debian going to mount them on windows? |
| 13:07.56 | space_ninja | what's the debian logo suppose to be, a black hole? that is sucking up a galaxy? |
| 13:08.14 | liable | last time i tried to automount sambe, it was a pita, i would have hopeed its gotten better |
| 13:08.17 | zimnyx | xand: no, i want to mount them on my debian box. |
| 13:08.19 | nutria | zimnyx: do u have kde or gnome? |
| 13:08.27 | zimnyx | nutria: gnome |
| 13:08.32 | xand | zimnyx: you said you wanted to share files with windows users though... that's the other way round. |
| 13:08.33 | StyXman | zimnyx: in the same one that is sharing them? |
| 13:08.44 | zimnyx | i tried *many* samba browsers, but all are far from profect |
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| 13:08.58 | zimnyx | once again. |
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| 13:09.48 | liable | hello RichiH |
| 13:09.57 | RichiH | oi |
| 13:10.17 | zimnyx | i'm in lan, my box is debian running samba. There are other PCs in lan that are for exampple windows boxes. When user X turn his PC on i want his shares to be mounted on my system automaticaly. Same when he turn PC off - i want them to be automaticaly umounted. |
| 13:10.41 | asg | oh, hiya RichiH |
| 13:10.44 | jelly-home | space_ninja: it's a swirly swirl! |
| 13:10.52 | xand | right scripts to do it |
| 13:11.14 | zimnyx | xand: yeah i can, but i guess someone already did.. |
| 13:11.25 | gnudo | i'm thinking about buying a core2 duo laptop. Have any of you encountered any issues (bios,acpi,etc) when running etch on such a laptop? i'm talking 64bit here!! |
| 13:11.39 | xand | gnudo: would depend on the other hardware |
| 13:11.55 | StyXman | zimnyx: ahmmmm, you'll need something done by hand, because you need to detect on/offline-ness of samba shares |
| 13:11.55 | asg | gnudo: no issues at all with this Dell D420. s2ram is a bit flakey but s2disk is solid |
| 13:11.57 | liable | is it really still that painfull for samba shares that its not automagic?? |
| 13:12.14 | liable | last time i fucked with samba i wanted to top myself |
| 13:12.20 | asg | gnudo: this is only 32bit though |
| 13:12.21 | zimnyx | StyXman: exactly |
| 13:12.37 | nutria | zimnyx: use kde for advanced desktop manager ;-) |
| 13:12.43 | space_ninja | jelly-home, it's a black hole sucking up a red galaxy, no doubt about it :) |
| 13:13.18 | gnudo | asg: why are you running 32bit if you have a core2 duo laptop which 64bit?? |
| 13:13.25 | zimnyx | nutria: are you kidding me? i'll stick with gnome |
| 13:13.29 | asg | gnudo: sorry, it's a core duo, not a core2 |
| 13:13.38 | asg | gnudo: I misread that part of what you said |
| 13:13.50 | zimnyx | nutria: :) |
| 13:13.51 | gnudo | ok |
| 13:13.58 | liable | 64bit is still pointless for the majority |
| 13:14.11 | filip | gnudo: 64bit is too much hassle |
| 13:14.13 | liable | hence why there is still shit support for it |
| 13:14.31 | gnudo | anyways, those who have a *core2* duo laptop, please speak up! |
| 13:14.49 | liable | gnudo: those that do, mostly run 32bit |
| 13:14.57 | gnudo | ouch! |
| 13:15.05 | sophacles | work is buying me one in a couple of weeks does that count? |
| 13:15.13 | gnudo | no |
| 13:15.52 | filip | but at 32bit |
| 13:15.53 | gnudo | is it *really* such a pain in the neck 64bit on gnu/linux for *desktop* use? |
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| 13:16.09 | liable | gnudo: yes |
| 13:16.12 | peppe | <gnudo> i'm thinking about buying a core2 duo laptop <-- look on linux on laptops. it's not _only_ a matter of which cpu you have |
| 13:16.14 | xand | gnudo: no, works fine for me |
| 13:16.14 | gnudo | ouch! |
| 13:16.15 | filip | gnudo: you don't gain that much, so why bother? |
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| 13:16.29 | xand | I use amd64 on my laptop, no problems |
| 13:16.57 | liable | xand: how does watching youtube work for you? |
| 13:17.01 | hark | if you need stuff like codecs, wine, flash... it's a hassle |
| 13:17.45 | xand | liable: why would I want to watch that trash? |
| 13:17.45 | space_ninja | the guys on gflash are working on it |
| 13:17.45 | liable | xand: so, thats a no? it doesnt? |
| 13:17.47 | xand | I've never tried, I don't use it. |
| 13:17.50 | filip | xand: my users don't care about openness, they want full PDF support (acroread) and full flash support |
| 13:17.51 | xand | and I DONT CARE |
| 13:17.55 | gnudo | why bother? isn't 64bit supposed to be a *now* thing rather than a thing of the future? desktop-wise i say! |
| 13:18.00 | xand | filip: pdf is open now |
| 13:18.06 | zimnyx | xand: nutria: StyXman: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/HowToMountsmbfsSharesPermanently |
| 13:18.11 | zimnyx | it's a half way |
| 13:18.11 | xand | if they want flash... nice for them |
| 13:18.18 | filip | xand: but open source viewers cannot render as good as acroread |
| 13:18.20 | liable | xand: the rst of us pr0n loving mortals care about youtube :) |
| 13:18.31 | hark | evince is good |
| 13:18.31 | xand | filip: oh well. |
| 13:18.33 | space_ninja | it's adobe who are assholes |
| 13:18.37 | peppe | xand: it has always been an "open" specification actually. but of course the _best_ and the _reference_ implementations are adobe's ones |
| 13:18.52 | xand | adobe have made PDF OSS |
| 13:18.52 | lunitik | gnudo: no, it won't be a *now* thing until Microsoft drop 32bit |
| 13:18.55 | xand | I don't know what they're doing with flash. |
| 13:18.57 | space_ninja | they don't release their stuff in 64 bit because there is no market for it |
| 13:18.58 | xand | and IDC |
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| 13:19.12 | liable | thats a bad attitude man |
| 13:19.26 | space_ninja | lol they just have to compile it with another target triplet and they are done |
| 13:19.28 | xand | that's because silly people don't use 64-bit because they can't use flash... cry |
| 13:19.45 | peppe | space_ninja: I really don't see the reason for not releasing the flash player under an OSS license |
| 13:19.45 | liable | xand: what do you use 64bit for? |
| 13:19.46 | lunitik | space_ninja: Adobe at least got Flash 9 out to the Linux world... Macromedia left us with Flash 7 for 2 years, with no intentions of releasing 8 |
| 13:19.55 | gnudo | lunitik: we are on a gnu/linux channel, debian that is. we are not on #microsoft! |
| 13:20.11 | lunitik | gnudo: shut up |
| 13:20.25 | space_ninja | well, I don't really get it with closed stuff, what's the big secret... |
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| 13:20.33 | xand | liable: seems silly to me to run a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit CPU. |
| 13:20.33 | space_ninja | it's just code |
| 13:20.37 | liable | space_ninja: $$$$$ |
| 13:20.55 | space_ninja | we are all going to die someday |
| 13:20.55 | peppe | liable: $$$ for the _player_? |
| 13:21.13 | liable | peppe: eh? |
| 13:21.14 | lunitik | xand: why? you lose no performance really... and the software industry isn't taking advantage of what 64bit has to offer |
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| 13:21.41 | gnudo | xand: exactly! that is why etch is supporting 64bit natively |
| 13:21.42 | peppe | liable: why doesn't adobe release flash _player_ under an OSS license? |
| 13:21.46 | xand | lunitik: why not |
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| 13:21.57 | liable | peppe: how would i know? |
| 13:21.58 | lunitik | xand: because there is no demand |
| 13:22.09 | xand | lunitik: no, I was countering your question |
| 13:22.10 | space_ninja | how do I know which packages are in the software selection for laptop and standard system and so on... |
| 13:22.24 | xand | lunitik: there's no demand because people like you don't use it |
| 13:22.34 | space_ninja | I want to pick every pacakge |
| 13:22.35 | hark | use tasksel --task-packages <task> |
| 13:22.39 | lunitik | xand: I think we had this discussion yesturday... using 64bit today for desktop use adds headaches that aren't necessary |
| 13:22.51 | xand | lunitik: not for me, so IDC |
| 13:22.57 | space_ninja | hark, what's that? |
| 13:23.06 | space_ninja | hark, where do I type this? |
| 13:23.11 | liable | you *cant* pick every package |
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| 13:23.50 | space_ninja | why not |
| 13:23.50 | mbuf | does anyone have eterm installed on debian etch ? |
| 13:23.50 | hark | space_ninja: what you asked... man taskel |
| 13:23.50 | lunitik | xand: people like me... and most people that have purchased desktops in recent history... because most systems come with a 32bit OS, on 64bit hardware... |
| 13:23.50 | hark | *tasksel |
| 13:23.51 | xand | lunitik: I DO NOT CARE |
| 13:23.55 | solar_sea | Is there a way to make my X re-read it's config file without closing all apps ? |
| 13:24.05 | liable | space_ninja: nope |
| 13:24.09 | liable | solar_sea: ^^ |
| 13:24.25 | solar_sea | :) |
| 13:24.32 | StyXman | solar_sea: no... yet, according with keith packard |
| 13:24.48 | solar_sea | If I remember correctly there was some kind of signal to make a process recheck it's cfg ? |
| 13:24.51 | solar_sea | but anyway |
| 13:25.08 | lunitik | xand: Why ask if you don't care? |
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| 13:25.16 | xand | I wasn't asking anything. |
| 13:25.32 | StyXman | solar_sea: it's not widely supported |
| 13:25.40 | liable | fuck i hate mosquitos |
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| 13:26.15 | cahoot | very few love them |
| 13:26.31 | liable | indeed |
| 13:26.53 | cahoot | unless one counts birds I guess |
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| 13:27.00 | liable | i just seem to live in mosquito ridden places :( |
| 13:27.05 | StyXman | those who love mosquitos deserve to die in a painfully way |
| 13:27.27 | liable | yeah, malaria |
| 13:29.15 | zimnyx | How can i see what app prevents me from umount dir? (umount: device is busy) |
| 13:29.15 | asg | zimnyx: fuser, lsof |
| 13:29.15 | StyXman | zimnyx: fuser |
| 13:29.15 | zimnyx | for example using lsof |
| 13:29.28 | space_ninja | heh, didn't pick anything from the package selection menu :) |
| 13:30.09 | zimnyx | asg: what file should i seek to be opened is i got mounted //smb/foo ?> |
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| 13:30.24 | space_ninja | yes, very nice <-- Borat :) |
| 13:30.35 | liable | hehe |
| 13:30.53 | StyXman | zimnyx: fuser -m <smb share mounto point> |
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| 13:31.06 | liable | i got sent an email of borats deleted scenes yestareday... very nice.. |
| 13:31.41 | asg | zimnyx: lsof | grep <mountpoint where //smb/foo is mounted> |
| 13:31.46 | liable | very disturbing is prolly a better discription |
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| 13:32.04 | zimnyx | asg: thanks! |
| 13:32.09 | zimnyx | StyXman: thanks |
| 13:33.22 | nutria | noone here is using ipcheck -r in crontab? |
| 13:34.27 | liable | doesnt look like it... |
| 13:34.33 | liable | !ask |
| 13:34.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:35.04 | nutria | I did it before |
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| 13:35.18 | space_ninja | what's the default way of killing a process? |
| 13:35.24 | space_ninja | kill |
| 13:35.30 | space_ninja | killing |
| 13:35.32 | liable | pkill foo |
| 13:35.40 | liable | kill -6 xxxx |
| 13:36.00 | liable | xxxx=process id |
| 13:36.25 | filip | arrr, debian has already eaten 200MB of disk space :/ |
| 13:36.36 | filip | I need to clean it up |
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| 13:36.38 | liable | oh dear. |
| 13:37.37 | Ronin | oh no not 200mb, the humanity of it all |
| 13:38.01 | filip | yeah keep laughing, I have a lot of stuff to install, and my CF is 1GB :P |
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| 13:38.58 | nutria | dpkg: I' have some problems with ipcheck and cron. I need ipcheck for web based ip detection, because I'm behind some routers. I have created the .dat file with --makedat option by ipcheck and ipcheck.py -l -r checkip.dyndns.org:8245 $USERNAME $PASSWORD $HOSTNAME works great from shell. Then, using crontab -e I added the line "*/30 * * * * cd /home/luca/ && ipcheck.py -l -r checkip.dyndns.org:8245 $USERNAME $PASSWORD $HOSTNAME" |
| 13:38.58 | nutria | , osly not with vars but with values. The syslog tells me that cron is executing the command, however no one file is updated, no webip.out, no ipcheck.log, nothing. Do u have any idea???? Thanks. |
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| 13:40.26 | juice` | what is the safest way to use packages made from source by myself but in a debian way? i do it like this: apt-get source some-package, wget some-package, apt-get build-dep package, then cp -ar source-package/* older_debian_package/ then i do cd older_debian_package and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:40.34 | juice` | anything very wrong with that? |
| 13:40.40 | juice` | if it compiles |
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| 13:40.53 | RichiH | asg: oi |
| 13:41.05 | RichiH | asg: beer in brussels sucked |
| 13:41.09 | juice` | i already did it with few packages and they work. oh, sometimes i have to remove some stuff from debian/patches/ |
| 13:41.15 | liable | juice`: should be okie |
| 13:41.18 | Ronin | RichiH: then you didnt find the right micro then |
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| 13:42.24 | filip | yeah great, an MTA running on a pda ;) |
| 13:43.00 | liable | *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* |
| 13:43.08 | space_ninja | hehe etch is so muhc better than sarge... |
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| 13:43.41 | cahoot | juice`: this might be of interest: http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
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| 13:44.47 | asg | RichiH: sad |
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| 13:47.23 | AngusRF | not sure whether my question was sent properly: can i build a software-side raid0 with the current debian-etch-installer? |
| 13:47.27 | liable | why would beer in brussels suck? |
| 13:47.35 | liable | AngusRF: yup |
| 13:47.44 | AngusRF | i can? |
| 13:47.48 | liable | yes |
| 13:47.49 | cahoot | libsampling error most probably |
| 13:47.56 | liable | cahoot: heh |
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| 13:48.04 | AngusRF | cool, thx :) |
| 13:48.24 | liable | AngusRF: the sarge one could.. |
| 13:49.46 | AngusRF | oh. hm i didn't care about raid yet because i never had the money for two disks ^^ |
| 13:49.46 | liable | ouch |
| 13:50.01 | amee2k | only cared about RAID once, and then i got a real raid controller |
| 13:50.30 | amee2k | one that did read RAID5 even :) |
| 13:50.40 | liable | theres arguments about the benefits of both |
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| 13:51.11 | AngusRF | hm my board has a raid-capable controller(nvidia nforce 570), too, but i thought it might cause problems, so i decided to use software-side-raid |
| 13:51.13 | cookoo | running raid1 wd raptors |
| 13:51.15 | as1 | hello, I want to set up virtual servers on one host system. Its not for professional use. Just private for testing. Now I don't know what to take xeo, openvz or virtualbox. Can you give me some help? It should not be too difficult to configure. |
| 13:51.29 | as1 | xeo=xen |
| 13:51.58 | liable | AngusRF: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 13:52.22 | space_ninja | what versio number is etch? |
| 13:52.23 | amee2k | vmware server here. (free, blob, easy to set up) |
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| 13:52.32 | liable | space_ninja: 4.0 |
| 13:52.57 | AngusRF | ty liable |
| 13:53.04 | as1 | ammee2k: isn't vmware too slow |
| 13:53.04 | liable | np |
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| 13:54.10 | filip | no kdrive in debian :/? |
| 13:54.11 | amee2k | as1: i'm running two VMs for evaluation and two production virtual servers. virtualization almost always has a performance penalty but i didn't have a serious problem with that so far |
| 13:54.47 | Faithful | Hey how do I hold back a pci sata card from loading until the onboard controller has loaded? The pci on is taking precedenc and messing up my drive allocations |
| 13:54.50 | liable | AngusRF: this will also interest you if you cant follow the links .. http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#open_chipsets |
| 13:54.50 | amee2k | vmware performs a lot better on linux than on windows imo |
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| 13:55.01 | space_ninja | hmm, why is my mount points in media and not mnt. is this a part of posix? |
| 13:55.02 | liable | AngusRF: this will also interest you if you cant follow the links .. http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html |
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| 13:55.18 | StyXman | Faithful: I think you can fix that with udev |
| 13:55.44 | Faithful | Hmmm... I will have a look see. |
| 13:55.48 | as1 | amee2k: so with vmware I could set up three debian systems on one host. and after that I am abel to connect to each virtual host via ssh through our local network and "play" with them? |
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| 13:56.17 | liable | Faithful: /usr/share/doc/udev/ has a pretty good idea |
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| 13:57.06 | liable | it can be a pita but you can do some cool stuff with udev too |
| 13:57.10 | amee2k | as1: yeah. you can run as many VMs on one host as you want, provided you have enough RAM. you can make the VMs use one of your host system's network cards or set up a network between your VMs and the host system only |
| 13:57.24 | liable | if only it was a little better documented |
| 13:57.41 | hark | space_ninja: FHS |
| 13:58.11 | solar_sea | does debian have a package for the xfree86 cyrilic fonts ? |
| 13:58.21 | as1 | amee2k: do all vm use the same kernel from the host, or does every guest system have its own kernel? |
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| 13:58.36 | StyXman | as1: own kernel |
| 13:58.41 | solar_sea | and can I use truetype fonts from windows in debian ? |
| 13:58.45 | liable | space_ninja: apt-cache search cyrilic?? |
| 13:58.59 | Faithful | solar_sea: yes indeed |
| 13:59.00 | solar_sea | that was for me ? :) |
| 13:59.01 | StyXman | as with most virtualizers, you get a new machine |
| 13:59.02 | hark | cyrillic* |
| 13:59.41 | Faithful | SocraticJesus: |
| 13:59.50 | amee2k | as1: inside the VM you can install any OS you want. vmware will emulate drives and all other hardware |
| 13:59.55 | liable | brain fart, whats the windows font package from non-free?? |
| 13:59.59 | solar_sea | apt-cache search cyrilic returns nothing |
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| 14:00.02 | Faithful | solar_sea: msttcorefonts will give you a few hints |
| 14:00.05 | space_ninja | cyrilic, FHS? I don't understand |
| 14:00.09 | liable | thats im |
| 14:00.15 | hark | msttcorefonts |
| 14:00.16 | solar_sea | !whatis msttcorefonts |
| 14:00.17 | as1 | StyXman and ammee2k: I guess I found what I was looking for. Xen seems to me good but difficult. |
| 14:00.22 | hark | but that's contrib |
| 14:00.33 | space_ninja | is something wrong with my fonts? |
| 14:00.39 | space_ninja | font |
| 14:00.41 | Faithful | solar_sea: but you need contrib in apt sources |
| 14:00.42 | hark | !info xfonts-cyrillic |
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| 14:00.55 | dpkg | xfonts-cyrillic: (Cyrillic fonts for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 387 kB, Installed size: 728 kB |
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| 14:01.13 | liable | fonts are retarded |
| 14:01.21 | hello_hello_hel | !confuse dpkg |
| 14:01.22 | dpkg | Yes, what are your hamster tomorrow, dpkg? lederhosen of the monarchy of swaziland with extra cream |
| 14:01.39 | marinosi | except of top is there any app like vmstat or free to see how many mem a specific prog is using? |
| 14:01.59 | liable | marinosi: htop |
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| 14:03.15 | hark | !fhs |
| 14:03.15 | dpkg | well, fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 14:03.20 | cookoo | gnome system monitor shows process info also |
| 14:03.50 | xand | !fuse |
| 14:03.50 | dpkg | hmm... fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 14:04.00 | xand | how do I get /dev/fuse? |
| 14:04.10 | as1 | amee2k: if vmware server does it all, what is vmware workstation doing? |
| 14:04.48 | hark | modprobe fuse? |
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| 14:04.57 | xand | ah |
| 14:05.08 | xand | thanks |
| 14:05.11 | space_ninja | how about now? |
| 14:05.16 | solar_sea | okey, i've installed that package. Yet, it seems like xf86 finds something wrong in it's config files. Option "XkbLayout" "us,bg" Option "XkbVariant" ",phonetic" Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll" |
| 14:05.42 | amee2k | as1: the same mostly, except that you have to pay for it |
| 14:05.49 | space_ninja | it's the servers fault |
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| 14:05.57 | solar_sea | what else should I add in order to get multiple keyboard maps working ? |
| 14:06.10 | as1 | amee2k: strange |
| 14:06.14 | lunitik | Workstation works below the OS, Server requires an OS to run on |
| 14:06.27 | StyXman | xand: why would you need fuse? |
| 14:06.30 | liable | you have multible keyboards with different maps?? |
| 14:06.32 | Ind[y] | Hello. How can I write a kernel image file, to my USB, sector-by-sector (to be able to boot from USB)? |
| 14:06.35 | n_ | i use debian etch.but i cant install nvidia drivers |
| 14:06.40 | xand | StyXman: I want to use sshfs |
| 14:06.46 | space_ninja | what should I install to get a small x server? |
| 14:06.47 | as1 | ok |
| 14:06.55 | amee2k | the only major difference is that WS is running as a foreground applocation only. server uses a daemon for the actual VMs and has a WS-style frontend for administation |
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| 14:07.08 | n_ | something wrong with nvidia.ko |
| 14:07.15 | lunitik | (If Workstation is the $1,000+ product) |
| 14:07.25 | amee2k | lunitik: that is ESX server, i'm talking about that new free vmware server |
| 14:07.35 | as1 | amee2k: thx for the help |
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| 14:08.40 | solar_sea | n_ I managed to get sarge working with nvidia using the drivers from the nvidia site & following the install instructions there |
| 14:08.41 | amee2k | btw, ESX server is just a stripped down linux system hidden under a large vmware logo and something much like the only-vmware server thingie |
| 14:09.41 | abrotman | !tell n_ about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:09.50 | n_ | thank you |
| 14:10.04 | n_ | i hate sth isnt free |
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| 14:10.14 | solar_sea | someone should add an info about the one-liner, that i doesn't work with kmuto d-i |
| 14:11.01 | abrotman | n_: then why are you using the nvidia.ko ? |
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| 14:11.22 | abrotman | n_: that's non-free also |
| 14:11.33 | n_ | so i should change testing to stable ,install the nvidia,then use etch |
| 14:11.42 | abrotman | it has nothing to do with sarge/etch |
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| 14:11.47 | n_ | i want to use x-system |
| 14:11.51 | abrotman | you're saying nvidia.ko won't load .. that's a non-free driver |
| 14:11.58 | abrotman | n_: lspci | grep VGA |
| 14:12.12 | amee2k | since when is 64M "only very little memory"?! |
| 14:12.33 | hello_hello_hel | arg, does anyonew have a free driver for WUSB300N wireless N USB adapter? |
| 14:12.36 | shao_lap | since ~5 years? |
| 14:12.46 | abrotman | ask #wireless |
| 14:12.48 | Langly1 | amee2k since 1998 |
| 14:12.53 | amee2k | o.O |
| 14:13.01 | n_ | let me try |
| 14:13.02 | abrotman | 64MB isn't that bad |
| 14:13.12 | shao_lap | well, its all relative ;) |
| 14:13.18 | Langly1 | yeah it is |
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| 14:13.26 | Langly1 | at least if you are gonna use X |
| 14:13.33 | shao_lap | yeah |
| 14:13.34 | hark | not really |
| 14:13.40 | amee2k | i just decided i want to try testing andit complained about low mem. never had memory problems with 64M and stable |
| 14:13.48 | Langly1 | my mini-laptop just gets by with W2K on 96m ram, 64 was bad |
| 14:13.53 | Langly1 | 8" screen |
| 14:14.01 | abrotman | it's fine .. |
| 14:14.04 | abrotman | 32MB gets tight |
| 14:14.20 | Langly1 | 64 and I was using a bit of swap firefox took forever to load |
| 14:14.20 | amee2k | even 128 is low for windose |
| 14:14.34 | abrotman | Langly1: FF takes forever to load .. no matter what :) |
| 14:14.43 | Langly1 | I did once put gentoo from stage 1 on my p233 laptop with 128m ram |
| 14:14.45 | hello_hello_hel | lol winbloze |
| 14:14.46 | Langly1 | that ran nicely |
| 14:14.54 | Langly1 | with KDE |
| 14:15.01 | Langly1 | yes I am insane |
| 14:15.13 | amee2k | i haven't seen a non-windows system that complains about 64M ram though |
| 14:15.27 | abrotman | win2k can run with 64MB as can linux |
| 14:15.37 | Langly1 | Gentoo on a system with 64m ram can be an issue |
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| 14:16.05 | filip | Langly1: I use gentoo on a 206MHz strongarm with 32MB ram ;) |
| 14:16.22 | amee2k | w2k on 64M sucks monkey balls in bullettime mode :S |
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| 14:16.35 | StyXman | filip: ... but you crosscompile... |
| 14:16.41 | Langly1 | I just know on my old quad pentium pro with 256m ram compiling gentoo used all the ram and got slowed down due to it |
| 14:16.46 | Langly1 | which is 64m a proc |
| 14:16.50 | filip | StyXman: nope :) |
| 14:16.53 | scv | I guess the window 3.1 for workgroup just needs 4MB |
| 14:17.04 | Langly1 | NT 4.0 runs nice an lite |
| 14:17.05 | filip | StyXman: no X though |
| 14:17.22 | Langly1 | NT 4.0 is still my fav windows version |
| 14:17.31 | scv | and a dos just need 2MB |
| 14:17.41 | abrotman | dos didn't need 2MB |
| 14:17.42 | StyXman | ah, win 3.11, that was a really good windows |
| 14:17.44 | amee2k | dos needs 320k :P |
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| 14:17.47 | Langly1 | You can FORCE win95 to run on 2m ram |
| 14:17.57 | Langly1 | very very ugly though |
| 14:18.10 | scv | abrotman: it needs, if you wanna use something |
| 14:18.32 | filip | scv: liero works with 640kB :P |
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| 14:18.43 | Langly1 | my ipcop firewall has 320m ram :P |
| 14:18.48 | abrotman | scv: no .. it doesn't |
| 14:18.57 | Langly1 | http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/firewall/ |
| 14:19.06 | amee2k | http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm |
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| 14:20.30 | scv | abrotman: if you want dos to eat some dos games... |
| 14:20.30 | hello_hello_hel | 640kB is all well ever need! |
| 14:20.31 | liable | abrotman: finshed in the snow? |
| 14:20.31 | amee2k | scv: dos can't even use memory >1M without an extender |
| 14:20.31 | abrotman | liable: enough to my car out :) |
| 14:20.31 | abrotman | scv: no .. it doesn't |
| 14:20.31 | scv | abrotman: not really |
| 14:20.39 | liable | abrotman: eek, gotta dig the car out? how much snow you get? |
| 14:20.43 | abrotman | scv: i used to play tons of DOS games .. with all the wacky memory configs ..2MB is great! |
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| 14:21.03 | scv | abrotman: dos could use more than 1MB b4 extenders were invented |
| 14:21.04 | abrotman | liable: 1-2" of ice, 1-2" of snow on top of that |
| 14:21.09 | Langly1 | ive got a old odd machine using two of these http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/cpu.png |
| 14:21.11 | abrotman | !wud |
| 14:21.11 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 14:21.30 | space_ninja | what's the difference between x-window-system and x-window-system-core? I mean they all depend on another packag, xorg |
| 14:21.40 | abrotman | scv: i'm well aware of how dos works. . thanks |
| 14:21.49 | liable | space_ninja: they are both meta packages |
| 14:21.55 | abrotman | space_ninja: they all are |
| 14:21.57 | scv | abrotman: are you sure? |
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| 14:22.08 | space_ninja | what's a meta pacakge? |
| 14:22.16 | abrotman | !Metapackage |
| 14:22.16 | dpkg | hmm... metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. |
| 14:22.17 | hark | space_ninja: they're transitional packages... to help with the upgrade |
| 14:22.21 | abrotman | scv: yep |
| 14:22.22 | hello_hello_hel | theres a game engine called DUMB that can use DOOM .wad files, and works on linux :) |
| 14:22.27 | scv | hehe |
| 14:22.42 | hello_hello_hel | and i bit extra fetures that DOOM never had, too |
| 14:22.44 | space_ninja | they only point to the real package? |
| 14:22.51 | abrotman | yes .. but they are recommended |
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| 14:23.11 | filip | I need tslib :/ |
| 14:23.18 | hark | yeah, but not for >= etch |
| 14:23.21 | liable | meta packages get a mob of packages required to run <foo> |
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| 14:24.32 | scv | abrotman: can you tell me how a dos virus resdent in the ram? |
| 14:24.42 | abrotman | not in this channel |
| 14:24.48 | scv | hahaha |
| 14:24.56 | simonrvn | this isn't #windows |
| 14:24.58 | scv | ok... |
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| 14:25.25 | Fear_cult | whats the command to disable gdm from loading at boot? i want to login via CLI |
| 14:25.30 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 14:25.30 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 14:26.34 | Fear_cult | thank you abrotman |
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| 14:28.21 | earthian | !metapackage |
| 14:28.21 | dpkg | well, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. |
| 14:28.36 | earthian | does that last sentence have a typo? |
| 14:28.49 | earthian | i do not get it... |
| 14:29.26 | amee2k | imo it has too, but i don't maintain dpkg's factoids *shrug* |
| 14:30.20 | amee2k | factoids == love it if it helps, keep ranting if it doesn't (tm) |
| 14:31.05 | n_ | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller nvidia corporation NV6 Vanta |
| 14:31.25 | liable | you guys need a humour infusion |
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| 14:31.49 | liable | roy rogers never met a package he didnt like?? |
| 14:31.50 | Ronin | heh metapackage he didnt like |
| 14:32.04 | seshomaru1234 | do you guys know if windows can view a gedit text file? |
| 14:32.17 | simonrvn | it's a text file... |
| 14:32.19 | earthian | seshomaru1234, surely yes |
| 14:32.26 | earthian | use MS word for it. |
| 14:32.43 | hark | yes, but don't use notepad |
| 14:32.56 | seshomaru1234 | earthian, thanks .im sending my apache log to a windows user i just need him to read it |
| 14:33.00 | amee2k | seshomaru1234: only if you tell gedit to use windows line endings or you may get all contents in an ugly one-liner on some crappy editors (and there are many on windows) |
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| 14:33.14 | earthian | seshomaru1234, rename it to log.txt or so |
| 14:33.17 | seshomaru1234 | dont mind if it looks ugly |
| 14:33.22 | earthian | he will open with his default text editor |
| 14:33.23 | simonrvn | they might need to have the LF turned to CR |
| 14:33.25 | hark | n_: you can use the nv driver too |
| 14:33.38 | simonrvn | but the editor can do that... |
| 14:34.04 | hark | wordpad should open it fine though |
| 14:34.43 | amee2k | windows uses \r\n (DOS and teletyper legacy), mac pre-9 used \r and all real OSes use \n |
| 14:34.43 | juice` | is there any way to forbid some specific partition to be accessible even if it is mounted? |
| 14:34.44 | simonrvn | er, yeh, my bad |
| 14:34.44 | juice` | this is backup partition and i want it to be secure from accidental rm -rf / or something |
| 14:34.44 | n_ | chang config bt dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:34.46 | amee2k | set chmod 000 on the device node? |
| 14:35.02 | liable | juice`: man mount |
| 14:35.04 | amee2k | erm, read "if it is /not/ mounted" |
| 14:35.07 | seshomaru1234 | earthian, thanks |
| 14:35.09 | amee2k | mount -o ro |
| 14:35.16 | n_ | change config in xserver-xorg? |
| 14:35.18 | simonrvn | mac pre-10 |
| 14:35.27 | hark | xorg.conf |
| 14:35.45 | n_ | thank you! |
| 14:35.49 | juice` | ok maybe i will make my question more clear... i want it to be accessible only by one program, rsync, which is making backups. |
| 14:36.40 | simonrvn | make mount point dir owned by some user like rsync and give it 700 perms... |
| 14:36.44 | juice` | if i mount it ro it wont be able to write backups on it, also i need it mounted for the time of backup, but i still want it to be rm -rf proof |
| 14:36.58 | simonrvn | and set an uid on it in fstab |
| 14:37.08 | juice` | simonrvn: but isnt root going to be able to delete it anyways? |
| 14:37.24 | simonrvn | duh, it's root... |
| 14:37.25 | krazykit | juice`: you can't really protect something from root. |
| 14:37.29 | liable | root can do anything regardless |
| 14:37.34 | simonrvn | ding ding |
| 14:37.54 | juice` | yes, i know it will be able to do it, but i want it to be secured from accidents |
| 14:37.55 | amee2k | where are you that you don't even trust root? |
| 14:38.02 | juice` | i am root |
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| 14:38.14 | juice` | ;) but people make mistakes |
| 14:38.15 | xand | juice`: there's nothing you can do. |
| 14:38.16 | simonrvn | so don't go around doing dumb stuff as root... |
| 14:38.21 | krazykit | juice`: then don't screw around as root |
| 14:38.35 | hello_hello_hel | dont do rm -rf /* as root |
| 14:38.37 | xand | well, unless you were using NTFS |
| 14:38.43 | liable | juice`: if you are worried about root, tell the admin to change roots password and not tell you the new one :P |
| 14:38.50 | xand | that has permissions that won't let you delete, but you can do other things :P |
| 14:38.52 | simonrvn | should be careful as root anyway. if you're not, then the person needs their head checked |
| 14:38.55 | juice` | liable: ok, but i'm admin ;) |
| 14:39.06 | juice` | liable: should i generate it and forget? |
| 14:39.23 | liable | juice`: sounds like a good idea :) |
| 14:39.24 | n_ | fail to load glx module |
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| 14:40.00 | juice` | no, but seriously, i could make a script that mounts this partition, rsync and unmounts and or remounts it in ro mode, but that partition would still be able to be delete when it's mounted durning rsync |
| 14:40.09 | juice` | there is no way to make it password-accessible? |
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| 14:40.41 | krazykit | juice`: not really. are you seriously that worried that you're going to do something really dumb during the time it's mounted? |
| 14:41.17 | amee2k | you should try that first, but imo root can only change perms at will. imo root rm -rf will still fail with wrong file permissions permission |
| 14:41.20 | juice` | well. i guess not? i dont know. i just want to make sure |
| 14:41.20 | freetos | does synaptic package manager process key's that the .deb packages are signed with? |
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| 14:41.31 | krazykit | juice`: perhaps the best prevention would be to run the script, go bake a tray of cookies, and come back when it's done |
| 14:41.54 | juice` | debian:~# ls -la test |
| 14:41.54 | juice` | ---------- 1 root root 0 2007-03-17 15:38 test |
| 14:41.54 | juice` | debian:~# rm test |
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| 14:42.05 | juice` | debian:~# |
| 14:42.05 | liable | freetos: apt does, so yes, synaptic does |
| 14:42.06 | simonrvn | yes, and? |
| 14:42.21 | juice` | it is the answer to amee2k question |
| 14:42.30 | juice` | root can do it even without permissions |
| 14:42.36 | liable | juice`: dude, root can do whatever it wants.. what do you want??? |
| 14:42.41 | iveqy | hi, I've got problems. I've just installed apache2, but the public_html for each user is not enabled... |
| 14:42.48 | simonrvn | !cluebat juice` |
| 14:42.50 | amee2k | hm... f* |
| 14:43.08 | Gnea | juice`: heh... if the volume that's mounted is being accessed, it can't be unmounted, period. |
| 14:43.08 | juice` | liable: was responding to amee2k |
| 14:43.16 | freetos | i wonder how etch performs against rhel5, i wish there was more linux performance testing |
| 14:43.35 | amee2k | you could have used a pastebin or just told me it doesn't work ;) |
| 14:43.45 | Gnea | juice`: even root cannot unmount the partition if another process has hold of it. |
| 14:43.46 | liable | freetos: feel free to document your trials |
| 14:43.53 | juice` | Gnea: and there is no way to make it password-accessible? |
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| 14:44.10 | Gnea | juice`: there is no point, no one can unmount it while the rsync is taking place. |
| 14:44.37 | simonrvn | basic unix lessons... |
| 14:44.38 | earthian | it would be easier not to use root... |
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| 14:44.45 | krazykit | juice`: maybe you should buy a NAS and rsync to that |
| 14:44.50 | Gnea | !newbiedoc |
| 14:44.50 | dpkg | newbiedoc is probably http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
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| 14:45.45 | DaveyB | Does anyone know a bit torrent client for azureus which isn't shit? |
| 14:45.50 | amee2k | hm... mount, move current directory somewhere onto the mounted partition, do lazy umount (will remove the FS from the filesystem but keep it mounted as long as some process has an file lock on it) |
| 14:45.56 | FlopsyPete | hi. I've just done a Woody to Sarge server update and upon rebooting afterword lilo just says "LI". why is this? (I have boot floppies) |
| 14:45.57 | DaveyB | s/azureus/debian |
| 14:45.57 | abrotman | earthian: moment |
| 14:46.07 | simonrvn | drop azureus, that's a start |
| 14:46.18 | krazykit | DaveyB: rtorrent. the only current issue is that it doesn't do queuing |
| 14:46.19 | Gnea | DaveyB: anything in apt-cache search bit torrent |
| 14:46.19 | liable | !LI |
| 14:46.20 | simonrvn | btmanycurses or something... |
| 14:46.20 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 14:46.26 | juice` | amee2k: hmm that sounds intresting |
| 14:46.43 | liable | FlopsyPete: gee, your a fast mover eh? :P |
| 14:46.52 | lunitik | liable: grrrr |
| 14:47.01 | liable | lunitik: eh? |
| 14:47.02 | amee2k | that allows you to hold files open but you have to open all files you need later while it is mounted visibly |
| 14:47.13 | lunitik | liable: you're not a good example ;) |
| 14:47.16 | krazykit | lunitik: too bad it's banned on many private trackers for hammering them with requests |
| 14:47.18 | FlopsyPete | liable: what makes you think its mine? its a client's |
| 14:47.31 | liable | lunitik: i dont understand. |
| 14:47.33 | lunitik | krazykit: I've had no such issues |
| 14:47.38 | juice` | but all those experts here told me i'm newbie and it's impossible ;) |
| 14:47.57 | krazykit | lunitik: several sites have banned it *shrug* |
| 14:47.57 | lunitik | liable: your use of your is annoying |
| 14:48.03 | Gnea | i told you that you are a newbie, i never once said it's impossible |
| 14:48.09 | lunitik | krazykit: when I run into one, I'll let you know |
| 14:48.20 | liable | lunitik: you'll get used to it :) |
| 14:48.20 | abrotman | earthian: now what's broken ? |
| 14:48.29 | juice` | Gnea: you are all the experts, or just one? was not referring to you by the way |
| 14:48.31 | earthian | !metapackage |
| 14:48.32 | dpkg | methinks metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. |
| 14:48.37 | earthian | last sentence i think? |
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| 14:48.47 | abrotman | it's a joke |
| 14:48.48 | hark | heh |
| 14:48.50 | simonrvn | who says we're experts? ... |
| 14:48.53 | FlopsyPete | liable: I'll try that; should the dist-upgrade not have run 'lilo'? |
| 14:48.53 | Ronin | what about it earthian? its a play on words |
| 14:48.59 | liable | FlopsyPete: you let your clients run software thats not supported? |
| 14:49.03 | juice` | simonrvn: false impression it seems |
| 14:49.05 | Gnea | juice`: taking it personal now, eh? |
| 14:49.10 | earthian | nothing then... i just did not get it at all. |
| 14:49.13 | Ronin | :) |
| 14:49.18 | simonrvn | we made no such claims |
| 14:49.23 | liable | FlopsyPete: you need to run lilo after every kernel upgrade |
| 14:49.25 | earthian | i am not english like many other users you know... |
| 14:49.30 | earthian | use a lithuanian joke :P |
| 14:49.35 | liable | FlopsyPete: install grub |
| 14:49.36 | abrotman | I never met a man I didn't like. |
| 14:49.36 | abrotman | Topic: Affection |
| 14:49.37 | abrotman | Source: None |
| 14:49.38 | simonrvn | i'm not english either |
| 14:49.40 | Gnea | simonrvn: i sense serious lack of intelligence |
| 14:49.41 | FlopsyPete | liable: the client had money for me to set them up with a system 4 years ago or so and they've not had any money barely even for maintenance since |
| 14:49.49 | psyco-obiwan | how do i automatically load unionfs module at boot ? |
| 14:49.55 | abrotman | put it in /etc/modules |
| 14:49.57 | FlopsyPete | liable: there was no kernel upgrade as part of the dist-upgrade |
| 14:50.02 | juice` | nevermind, i will try lazy unmount way anyways, thanks |
| 14:50.02 | simonrvn | Gnea: naw, just ignorance |
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| 14:50.12 | Gnea | simonrvn: there's a difference? |
| 14:50.15 | psyco-obiwan | abrotman: just 'unionfs' on a line ? |
| 14:50.16 | simonrvn | yes |
| 14:50.21 | Gnea | heh |
| 14:50.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:50.25 | psyco-obiwan | ty |
| 14:50.38 | lunitik | Gnea: huge difference.... ignorance is simply not knowing.... intelligence is knowing and not being able to apply |
| 14:50.41 | liable | FlopsyPete: then your stuffed i guess |
| 14:50.42 | krazykit | juice`: i really think a network attached storage unit would be a good option for you, if lazy umount doesn't work. you could get one with raid0 and simply rsync over your network. no worries about rm-ing stuff since it's never mounted locally |
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| 14:51.13 | krazykit | juice`: only con is that you have to drop a few hundred bucks :-/ |
| 14:51.18 | lunitik | Gnea: nothing wrong with ignorance, everyone is ignorant in some way.... intelligence is a grave flaw however |
| 14:51.35 | FlopsyPete | liable: the debian.org Sarge guide said nothing about this :( |
| 14:51.42 | simonrvn | does he do rm rf / once a week or smething? :P |
| 14:51.46 | simonrvn | some* |
| 14:51.48 | juice` | krazykit: yes, that was my original plan, but i dropped it. will have to rethink it then :) thanks |
| 14:52.15 | Gnea | lunitik: i disagree. |
| 14:52.25 | lunitik | uhh... wait... intelligence isn't a flaw... lack of it is |
| 14:52.29 | simonrvn | you always disagree ;p |
| 14:52.35 | Gnea | lol |
| 14:52.35 | lunitik | Gnea: then you lack intelligence |
| 14:52.41 | liable | FlopsyPete: you just upgraded from woody to sarge, but you dont think adding the new kernel and running lilo is prudent? |
| 14:52.42 | Gnea | lunitik: prove it. :) |
| 14:52.53 | simonrvn | you can't prove a negative |
| 14:52.57 | lunitik | Gnea: is ignorance and intelligence related? |
| 14:53.02 | Gnea | but you can prove a positive? |
| 14:53.11 | Gnea | lunitik: s/is/are/g |
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| 14:53.20 | amee2k | use XFS and rm with -v and when you see your backups scrolling by rip out the power cord :P |
| 14:53.25 | lunitik | Gnea: neat... answer the question |
| 14:53.27 | simonrvn | s,negative,lack, |
| 14:53.33 | hello_hello_hel | i can make you lack intelligance |
| 14:53.39 | FlopsyPete | liable: i'm following Debian's own guide, it didn't say to run lilo. I wanted to do a reboot before updating the kernel. anyway, whatever, I've saved it using the boot floppy |
| 14:53.40 | Gnea | lunitik: in the proper context, yes. |
| 14:53.44 | hello_hello_hel | !confuse Gnea |
| 14:53.44 | dpkg | No, where are my weasel yesterday, Gnea? pants of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 14:53.59 | simonrvn | amee2k: weeee - good way to fry shit |
| 14:54.01 | lunitik | Gnea: then you lack intelligence, because I just explained why they are not |
| 14:54.04 | abrotman | hello_hello_hel: do you have a debian question ? |
| 14:54.25 | Gnea | lunitik: but you only offered your opinion. |
| 14:54.43 | liable | FlopsyPete: i guess the install guide asumes some level of competence if you are using lilo (dont take that the wrong way, but if someone has been using lilo, then its a given) |
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| 14:54.55 | simonrvn | *PLONK* |
| 14:54.56 | lunitik | Gnea: no, I gave you a rewording of what any dictionary would tell you |
| 14:55.05 | liable | FlopsyPete: not that i have read it |
| 14:55.22 | Jens8 | Someone free atm? |
| 14:55.26 | space_ninja | I can't find a list for which packages are included for the different section in pacakge selection from the installation... |
| 14:55.26 | Jens8 | kinda have a prob |
| 14:55.31 | azeem | Jens8: just ask your question |
| 14:55.31 | xand | !ask |
| 14:55.32 | lunitik | Jens8: nope... we cost money |
| 14:55.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:55.38 | simonrvn | no i'm very very very expensive |
| 14:55.45 | lunitik | simonrvn: beat you |
| 14:55.50 | space_ninja | !pacakge selection |
| 14:55.50 | Jens8 | Well ive been stupid, |
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| 14:55.57 | simonrvn | well, so is everyone else, but that's besides the point |
| 14:55.58 | space_ninja | !package-selection |
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| 14:56.02 | hark | space_ninja: i told you already... |
| 14:56.02 | space_ninja | !packages |
| 14:56.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, packages is a file you can parse with grep-dctrl, or apt-get install auto-apt, auto-apt update, auto-apt search <the_file_you_want> |
| 14:56.03 | lunitik | Always a great start to an issue |
| 14:56.11 | space_ninja | I didn't see it |
| 14:56.14 | FlopsyPete | liable: the upgrade guide talks you thru it step by step. I would have thought in all the years its been available if you needed to run lilo manually either it, or the upgrade itself, would have included this info. I don't even think grub was available in Woody, tho I could be wrong. |
| 14:56.15 | Gnea | lunitik: you said that, and i quote, "intelligence is knowing and not being able to apply" |
| 14:56.19 | space_ninja | hark |
| 14:56.25 | Jens8 | I de installed bc there was a minor prob now im trying to reinstall but dunno what packages to get |
| 14:56.28 | hark | space_ninja: the tasksel one earlier.. |
| 14:56.30 | amee2k | simonrvn: xfs uses caching to a large extend, so if you are quick chances are that you can recover most of your data before the changes are comitted to the solid-state media |
| 14:56.32 | lunitik | Gnea: yes... intelligence and knowledge are also not directly related |
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| 14:56.33 | simonrvn | FlopsyPete: it does |
| 14:56.40 | azeem | Jens8: how do you reinstall? |
| 14:56.43 | simonrvn | amee2k: yeh, i know |
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| 14:56.56 | azeem | Jens8: did you already reformat your partition? |
| 14:57.22 | FlopsyPete | simonrvn: this page doesn't mention the word lilo: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 14:57.27 | kennethd | hi everyone. i have an etch system installed & running on a single drive. i have just added 2 sata drives which i want to use as a raid1 device for data (not a boot device). what tool do i use to create the raid device? |
| 14:57.28 | simonrvn | amee2k: xfs is notorious, however, at giving you binary crap when you pull the plug before the journal has had time to sync |
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| 14:57.36 | rfrank | hey guys I hvae debian amd64 and wine is failing to compile: http://pastebin.ca/398767 |
| 14:57.37 | liable | FlopsyPete: dpkg usually tells you to run lilo after a kernel upgrade |
| 14:57.39 | Gnea | lunitik: the point (and fact, while we're at it) is that you mis-quoted the definition of the word 'intelligence'. |
| 14:57.58 | simonrvn | i've had no such problems with ext3 or jfs |
| 14:58.00 | FlopsyPete | liable: it didn't. I don't know why we're arguing, there's no point. |
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| 14:58.37 | abrotman | rfrank: ask #winehq |
| 14:58.44 | lunitik | Gnea: I didn't quote anything... I applied knowledge, and put it into my own words (mostly because I'm too lazy to go to dictionary.com and copy and paste) |
| 14:58.45 | simonrvn | FlopsyPete: well, it's supposed to, if so... and i think it still does |
| 14:58.46 | juice` | amee2k: thank you again, lazy unmount is working like a charm |
| 14:58.51 | hark | rfrank: try #winehq as well |
| 14:58.53 | liable | FlopsyPete: i'm not arguing :) i have lilo on one of my boxes, and it tells me, though its easily missed if you are upgrading a lot of packages |
| 14:59.01 | Gnea | lunitik: i have 3 urls here that prove that what you said is, indeed, ignorant of the true meaning of the word and shows a lack of intelligence in regards to the meaning of the word intelligence: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=intelligence http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=intelligence http://www.thefreedictionary.com/intelligence |
| 14:59.04 | simonrvn | hark: o_O |
| 14:59.14 | Gnea | :) |
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| 14:59.15 | azeem | rfrank: it might be not possible to compile wine on 64bit |
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| 14:59.34 | rfrank | azeem, according to the wine wiki it is: http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-7a277214ee284c1915cd6c431f6369cfcde97e3c |
| 14:59.41 | abrotman | rfrank: okay .. then ask #winehq |
| 14:59.44 | FlopsyPete | liable: I paid really hard attention to what was going on and took notes on everything that would require me to do something after the upgrade |
| 14:59.46 | rfrank | haha |
| 14:59.55 | azeem | rfrank: that says "ia32libs" |
| 14:59.58 | FlopsyPete | simonrvn: well, I used '/' in firefox to search that page for 'lilo' |
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| 15:00.00 | Gnea | lunitik: now, if you're quite done attempting to throw bullshit my way, let us move onto other topics :) |
| 15:00.01 | abrotman | or grab the source package from sid which appears to build on amd64 |
| 15:00.15 | simonrvn | no but you could probably sip wine next to your expensive 64bit machine while you whine about wine |
| 15:00.15 | lunitik | Gnea: link one states "learn and understand" "skilled use of reason" and even "the ability to apply knowledge" |
| 15:00.19 | liable | FlopsyPete: ok. we'll leave it at that i guess, as long as you get it sorted |
| 15:00.22 | FlopsyPete | simonrvn: shall I submit a bug report about that? |
| 15:00.36 | simonrvn | FlopsyPete: might as well |
| 15:00.38 | FlopsyPete | liable: hyeah, all sorted now. thanks for the help anyway :) |
| 15:00.40 | lunitik | Gnea: I won't continue, thank you for playing |
| 15:00.46 | liable | FlopsyPete: np :) |
| 15:00.48 | azeem | rfrank: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 15:01.17 | rfrank | azeem, unstable amd64 |
| 15:01.26 | azeem | no idea then |
| 15:01.32 | rfrank | x |
| 15:01.34 | rfrank | x_x |
| 15:01.57 | Jens8 | somebody now what packages I need to install together to prevent: Cannot acces x server? |
| 15:02.20 | earthian | !find ia32 |
| 15:02.27 | space_ninja | how do I know if xserver-xorg or xorg is main package? |
| 15:02.30 | abrotman | Jens8: which desktop do you want ? |
| 15:02.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ia32' (5 of 14): (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmfcuia32.a) in devel/mingw32-runtime ;; (/usr/include/pike/7.6.93/code/ia32.h) in interpreters/pike7.6-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{crt0-efi-ia32.o|elf_ia32_efi.lds}) in devel/gnu-efi ;; (/usr/share/doc/openssl/doc/crypto/OPENSSL_ia32cap.pod) in utils/openssl ;; (/usr/src/gcc-4.1/patches/libjava-ia32fix.dpatch) in devel/gcc-4.1-source. |
| 15:02.33 | Gnea | lunitik: right, "the ability to apply knowledge", which in fact is in direct conflict with your opinionated statement of "intelligence is knowing and not being able to apply". rewording, indeed. thank you, come again. :) |
| 15:02.48 | liable | lol |
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| 15:03.02 | abrotman | lunitik: have you tried RSSBreak ? |
| 15:03.10 | Jens8 | KDe |
| 15:03.18 | earthian | !search |
| 15:03.18 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 15:03.19 | abrotman | Jens8: apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 15:03.22 | earthian | rfrank, ^^ |
| 15:03.35 | rfrank | earthian, ? |
| 15:03.45 | earthian | try installing all ia32 |
| 15:03.47 | liable | earthian: dude, please /msg dpkg <your fucking factoid> |
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| 15:04.02 | abrotman | or !tell $nick about <blah> |
| 15:04.07 | abrotman | simonrvn: i saw it! |
| 15:04.22 | earthian | :/ |
| 15:04.24 | xirjs | i installed postgresql from etch ... it is up and running but it does not listen on port 5432 ... |
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| 15:04.28 | rfrank | earthian, the packages are different for amd64 and Ive installed them all |
| 15:04.28 | rfrank | :| |
| 15:04.34 | simonrvn | abrotman: ;p |
| 15:04.37 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 15:04.39 | xirjs | are there any specials to get it listening on tcp/ip 5432 |
| 15:04.40 | xirjs | ? |
| 15:04.43 | abrotman | xirjs: check the pgsql docs .. pgsql shouldn't listen on TCP by default |
| 15:05.19 | abrotman | xirjs: or check /usr/share/doc/postgresql* |
| 15:05.19 | xirjs | abrotman: i dont find anything about it ... just hints for postgres.conf ... but there port is set well and tcp/ip is true |
| 15:05.21 | liable | xirjs: any specials? wtf are you talking about? |
| 15:05.21 | lunitik | Gnea: meh... I didn't mean to say 'not' there... guess previous statement was still in my head... I stand corrected |
| 15:05.39 | xirjs | liable: maybe something preventing postgres listen on the port ... |
| 15:05.40 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:05.44 | xirjs | in debian/etch ... ? |
| 15:05.45 | Gnea | lunitik: that's what i figured - i was wondering how long it would take for you to figure that out :) |
| 15:05.47 | abrotman | xirjs: firewall ? |
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| 15:06.09 | earthian | rfrank, have you tried dpkg -i --force-arch wine...deb |
| 15:06.10 | earthian | ? |
| 15:06.21 | earthian | download the deb from wine 32bit repos... |
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| 15:06.31 | earthian | i am not sure if that will work tho |
| 15:06.33 | Gnea | liable: piss off, the heat keeps us going :P |
| 15:06.34 | abrotman | you sohuldn't ever force it |
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| 15:07.02 | liable | Gnea: i dont want to think about you on heat! :P |
| 15:07.12 | lunitik | When did dpkg get a --force-arch argument? |
| 15:07.12 | Gnea | lunitik: it takes practice |
| 15:07.14 | earthian | anyway i am out of ideas |
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| 15:07.30 | earthian | lunitik, orce-architecture then? |
| 15:07.35 | earthian | f* |
| 15:07.37 | Gnea | liable: i'm referring to the real thing - as in, it's nearly 100 degrees F out :P |
| 15:07.39 | abrotman | xirjs: netstat -an | grep 5432 .. is it there at all ? |
| 15:07.42 | liable | when arch became part of debian?? |
| 15:07.47 | abrotman | earthian: stop telling people to force stuff |
| 15:08.02 | h3sp4wn | I think everything wine needs is provided by ia32-libs - check with ldd I suppose if you wanted to |
| 15:08.21 | lunitik | earthian: I'm simply not familiar with the argument... I thought dpkg had no such capabilities |
| 15:08.30 | rfrank | earthian, Im trying to get the latest version |
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| 15:08.55 | abrotman | lunitik: it does .. and it's a *really* bad idea |
| 15:08.58 | liable | Gnea: toghen up princess, its over 40c where i live atm |
| 15:09.05 | liable | toughen* |
| 15:09.14 | lunitik | liable: can you use that in an apt-get line? |
| 15:09.22 | Coke | Hi. I just installed libopenal0a and it's version 1:0.8.0-4 (testing), but what version of the OpenAL spec does it use? |
| 15:09.33 | Gnea | 'princess'? |
| 15:09.56 | liable | lunitik: i only have 32bit, dunno |
| 15:09.57 | lunitik | abrotman: what issues would arise? is it possible to tell things to use /lib32 instead of /lib64 or simply /lib for instance? |
| 15:10.01 | Gnea | liable: i'm sorry, you live where? |
| 15:10.05 | liable | !dict princess |
| 15:10.06 | dpkg | Dictionary 'princess' (3 of 5): a female member of a royal family other than the queen (especially the daughter of a sovereign) ;; Princess \Prin"cess\, n. [F. princesse. See Prince, and cf. Princesse.] 1. A female prince; a woman having sovereign power, or the rank of a prince. --Dryden. ;; 2. The daughter of a sovereign; a female member of a royal family. --Shak.. |
| 15:10.09 | xirjs | abrotman: it works ... in postgresql.conf is ;tcp-ip-socket = false |
| 15:10.18 | xirjs | it needs to be set to true and uncommented ... |
| 15:10.22 | abrotman | lunitik: you're trying to use a binary that is ocmpiled for a system you're not running ? |
| 15:10.22 | liable | Gnea: it was a joke |
| 15:10.25 | abrotman | xirjs: so all fixed ? |
| 15:10.31 | Gnea | liable: lol |
| 15:10.37 | liable | Gnea: i work in a very hot place |
| 15:10.43 | abrotman | stripper! |
| 15:10.48 | xirjs | abrotman: yups ... |
| 15:10.55 | Gnea | hrm |
| 15:10.58 | xirjs | i think in older versions this was set per default ... |
| 15:10.59 | Gnea | i need a c2f script |
| 15:11.00 | abrotman | xirjs: ok |
| 15:11.00 | liable | Gnea: at this time of year 40C is about the average temp |
| 15:11.01 | lunitik | abrotman: umm... I'm asking whether you can apply multiarch principles to what you can currently do with dpkg |
| 15:11.10 | abrotman | xirjs: not likely .. that would be very poor practice |
| 15:11.23 | Gnea | liable: i'm still stuck in this western mentality... i don't do C |
| 15:11.26 | abrotman | lunitik: give it a whirl .. let me know :) |
| 15:11.28 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 15:11.28 | dpkg | hmm... multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 15:11.31 | xirjs | abrotman: its ok, .. it works .. |
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| 15:11.57 | abrotman | Gnea: ~100R |
| 15:11.58 | lunitik | abrotman: last I heard, that was stalled until etch is released |
| 15:12.00 | abrotman | Gnea: ~100F |
| 15:12.04 | abrotman | lunitik: probably |
| 15:12.20 | ki11bi11 | is it hard to install soft raid under etch? |
| 15:12.20 | Gnea | liable: oh, we're only starting right now. it gets up around 120F in the summer here. |
| 15:12.42 | lunitik | abrotman: says it hasn't been edited since last time I read it... so yeah |
| 15:12.53 | Faithful | ki11bi11: not at all |
| 15:12.57 | abrotman | figures |
| 15:13.14 | Gnea | liable: and that's usually circumstances. this year is likely to be hotter. |
| 15:13.25 | Gnea | *usual |
| 15:13.32 | ki11bi11 | Faithful, is there a guide, this will be a clean install |
| 15:13.54 | lunitik | Gnea: it better not be, I'll melt |
| 15:14.08 | liable | Gnea: ya, you live in the desrt or near innit? |
| 15:14.14 | Gnea | lunitik: surely you're aware of yesterday's all-time record breaker.... |
| 15:14.17 | space_ninja | I want xfonts-artwiz, WHY is it unavailable, the only package that I truly want is no there! :P |
| 15:14.25 | Faithful | ki11bi11: no need for a guide... it is pretty straight forward... if you have a problem just ask |
| 15:14.25 | Gnea | liable: in it |
| 15:14.34 | lunitik | Gnea: how hot was it yesterday? felt nice.... |
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| 15:15.11 | Gnea | lunitik: 99F - but on that date, it broke all records state-wide ever since they started recording the temp over 100 years ago |
| 15:15.25 | lunitik | Gnea: wow |
| 15:15.28 | Gnea | some places broke records in the 70's |
| 15:15.36 | Gnea | others in the 30's and 20's |
| 15:15.40 | Faithful | ki11bi11: usually I just setup a raid partition and small swap on each drive so you get the benefit of swap interleaving |
| 15:15.43 | space_ninja | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.44 | Gnea | others went back to the 1800's |
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| 15:15.52 | liable | Gnea: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW6064.latest.shtml |
| 15:15.52 | space_ninja | if a package is unavailable |
| 15:15.55 | Gnea | well, MOST went back to the 1800's |
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| 15:16.12 | lunitik | Gnea: hopefully it was just a freak day.... I went through 2 pairs of shoes last year |
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| 15:16.22 | lunitik | Just because the soles melted |
| 15:16.36 | ki11bi11 | Faithful, ok a swap partition on each drive |
| 15:16.36 | abrotman | get your fat ass walking :) |
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| 15:16.55 | liable | Gnea: mind you, we just had two cyclones (or hurricanes as you guys call em) so its been a bit colder than usual |
| 15:17.02 | cr3 | what creates those orbit directories under /tmp? |
| 15:17.07 | Gnea | lunitik: now that's what i call burning some rubber |
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| 15:17.13 | Faithful | ki11bi11: yes half the size you would usually have on just one drive... I am assuming you are doing raid1? |
| 15:17.36 | hark | cr3: gnome stuff |
| 15:17.48 | lunitik | Gnea: seriously... |
| 15:18.04 | amee2k | both stable and testing installations fail and syslog says "buffer I/O error on device sda2, logical block ..." in both cases. sda is a SD flash memory card. is that an indication for a defective card? or can it have some other reason? |
| 15:18.06 | putridp | Hi, I'm looking for a sound visualization application on debian, any ideas? |
| 15:18.20 | Faithful | putridp: goom |
| 15:18.21 | Coke | The scons package seem to be broken, I do apt-get install scons and it tries to use 2.3 (which is too old) and then goes for the 2.5 (which is unsupported). Why the heck doesn't it uses Python 2.4 which is installed and the default /usr/bin/python alternative? |
| 15:18.40 | wols | amee2k: test the card. fil it to the brim and read the info back |
| 15:18.45 | wols | if you get errors: card defect |
| 15:18.46 | ki11bi11 | Faithful, yes raid 1 i have 2 disks 160GB |
| 15:19.20 | Faithful | Hmmm... you might want to break it up a bit... like / /home |
| 15:19.30 | Faithful | say 15GB for / |
| 15:19.33 | amee2k | will try |
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| 15:20.01 | Faithful | ki11bi11: so / will be md0 /home /md1 |
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| 15:20.19 | putridp | Faithful: thanks. Do you know if XMMS will take a line-in input as a source? |
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| 15:20.48 | Faithful | putridp: no I never had a need... |
| 15:20.55 | Coke | Whaaaat? http://pastebin.ca/398785 I have removed python 2.3 and 2.5 entirely, why do I get this error? |
| 15:20.57 | Faithful | line in... |
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| 15:22.13 | Gnea | putridp: xmms plays back soundfiles |
| 15:22.53 | Faithful | Coke: apt-get -f install |
| 15:22.55 | Coke | I'm stuck. Scons tries to use python 2.3 and python 2.5 (for some odd reason) and fails, I can't remove python2.3 and 2.5 because it tries to upgrade scons and I can't remove scons before it's installed. apt-get hell == rpm hell? |
| 15:23.13 | putridp | Faithful,Gnea: okay cool, thanks |
| 15:23.19 | Coke | Faithful: that doesn't help. |
| 15:23.27 | Faithful | rpm hell is much worse |
| 15:23.34 | Coke | How so? I'm stuck. |
| 15:23.45 | Faithful | Coke: purge the old packages |
| 15:24.00 | Coke | Faithful: like I said: I can't. |
| 15:24.03 | scane | Hi. Please what is the right boot parameter to get a sarge 2.6 amd64 kernel from the sarge net-install cd?. |
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| 15:24.15 | abrotman | scane: it's the only one it has |
| 15:24.22 | Coke | Faithful: trying to remove python 2.3 and 2.5 fails because it automatically tries to finish install of scons, trying to remove scons fails because it says i need to finish it's install first. |
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| 15:25.04 | hark | dpkg --configure -a |
| 15:25.13 | Faithful | Coke: Aha... you need to hack and tell scons it is finished... |
| 15:25.29 | liable | laters |
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| 15:26.40 | liable | Coke: remove the set -e from the pre-remove |
| 15:27.04 | scane | abrotman, I am not sure if i understand you right. |
| 15:27.23 | abrotman | noone does .. my mom says it's because i didn't eat my veggies |
| 15:27.26 | Coke | liable: eh, pre-remove? |
| 15:27.30 | Jens8 | lol |
| 15:27.38 | Faithful | Coke: Edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/scons.postinst and change 'exit 1' to 'exit 0' for config failure then execute 'dpkg --configure --pending' |
| 15:27.46 | liable | Coke: the old scons pre-remove script |
| 15:27.50 | abrotman | scane: the amd64 sarge installer has only the 2.6 kernel .. there is no 2.4 available |
| 15:27.58 | Faithful | then you will be able to purge |
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| 15:28.55 | scane | ah ok.. so then i have the wrong cd (it is sarge net isntall cd) |
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| 15:29.00 | scane | thank you abrotman |
| 15:29.38 | Coke | Faithful: problem persists. |
| 15:29.39 | Jens8 | does anyone know what X-server program i need to choose for a Compaq MV740? |
| 15:30.08 | Coke | liable: that worked. |
| 15:30.15 | space_ninja | how do I get the artwiz font? Look at what fluxbox contains and you will se what I'm talking about.-. |
| 15:30.20 | liable | nice |
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| 15:31.00 | Coke | but I still can't remove scons |
| 15:31.16 | abrotman | Jens8: what video card |
| 15:31.26 | scane | abrotman, so I will download the "ia64" netinstall ? |
| 15:31.36 | Coke | I have no removed python 2.3 and 2.5 so that they don't interfere with the upgrade of scons, the error persists when trying to remove or upgrade scons. |
| 15:31.47 | abrotman | scane: absolutely not |
| 15:31.55 | abrotman | scane: what are you trying to do ? |
| 15:32.15 | Jens8 | Abrotman: Hmm somthing simple, Dunno exactly tried to search it |
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| 15:32.41 | abrotman | Jens8: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 15:32.57 | scane | abrotman, I think I found it.. I will use debian-31r4-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 15:33.05 | scane | right? |
| 15:33.08 | solemnwarning | How should I install the dvbscan program under sarge? |
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| 15:33.29 | abrotman | scane: that's one way .. is it for a workstation or server ? |
| 15:33.37 | Coke | Crap. |
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| 15:33.50 | Coke | How do I just tell Debian to remove a package and ignore errors? |
| 15:33.51 | scane | it is to build a server here locally |
| 15:34.01 | abrotman | scane: internal or external ? |
| 15:34.12 | Coke | Like "yeah, yeah, whatever, just remove all files related to this package and get it the fridge off the installed list" ? |
| 15:34.18 | Jens8 | Abrotman:thx, see if it works |
| 15:34.29 | scane | it will be a machine for testing purposes here in my lan - not for production |
| 15:34.32 | abrotman | Jens8: you didn't tell me what it was |
| 15:34.54 | space_ninja | should I install flash trough the webbrowser or through debian |
| 15:34.56 | abrotman | scane: i'd probably just go with the etch installer then .. etch should be released in a few weeks or so .. but the security support is not full yet |
| 15:35.05 | Jens8 | Abrotman:Well since you mentioned VGA, i think thats it |
| 15:35.19 | abrotman | Jens8: i'm asking you to tell me |
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| 15:35.26 | Jens8 | Abrotman: lemme look up |
| 15:35.32 | abrotman | Jens8: lspci | grep VGA |
| 15:35.39 | wols | Coke: dpkg --force-help |
| 15:35.55 | scane | abrotman, yes of course, but in this case it will be a testing machine for a real server who is running sarge.. so I think I will also use sarge here to have similar environment |
| 15:36.08 | abrotman | scane: ah ..y eah .. good plan :) |
| 15:36.23 | scane | thank you very much for your support ! :-) |
| 15:37.08 | abrotman | scane: also ... you can install i386 on amd64 |
| 15:37.37 | Coke | I tried dpkg -P python2.5, but /usr/bin/python2.5 is still there. What gives? |
| 15:37.37 | Jens8 | Abrotman: Can't find it, It's out of compaq's database |
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| 15:37.51 | abrotman | Jens8: *I* want to see it |
| 15:38.17 | Faithful | Coke it is probably installed by a meta package |
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| 15:38.43 | Faithful | dpkg -l | grep python |
| 15:38.43 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep python |
| 15:38.51 | Coke | Faithful: anyway, it's a serious bug in the 0.93.96-2 scons package. |
| 15:38.54 | Jens8 | abrotman: well how yu wanna see it? >.< |
| 15:38.55 | scane | abrotman, I want to compile some stuff for the live server so I thought I have to use 64bit also? |
| 15:38.57 | Coke | The python code croaks. |
| 15:38.59 | abrotman | Jens8: paste it in here |
| 15:39.02 | abrotman | scane: ah ok |
| 15:39.23 | Coke | /usr/bin/pycentral has a serious bug in it. |
| 15:39.33 | scane | i am interested to build a seaside server on debian 64 |
| 15:39.51 | xand | it'll get all salty/wet! |
| 15:40.09 | scane | i am developing a seaside app on windows but to use it i want it on debian |
| 15:40.36 | abrotman | seaside ? |
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| 15:41.38 | Coke | I already reported a bug on scons, but it actualy seems like the bug is in python-central and not scons, what should I do? Perhaps nothing, the scons maintainer will probably redirect the bug report. |
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| 15:42.13 | scane | abrotman, seaside is a smalltalk-based "web framework" |
| 15:42.18 | scane | seaside.st |
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| 15:42.33 | abrotman | hehe .. smalltalk .. |
| 15:42.39 | abrotman | better than snobol! |
| 15:42.53 | Coke | It's really easy to fixe, they just forgot to check for NoneType when fetching the byte code. |
| 15:43.07 | scane | well i know whtat some ppl say about smalltalk but my experience is that it rocks |
| 15:43.18 | Coke | Can I follow up a previous bug report with a fix and some instructions? |
| 15:43.18 | abrotman | scane: use ada! :) |
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| 15:44.01 | Jens8 | abrotman: Prob: presario is a laptop atm, i have a normal pc |
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| 15:44.26 | scane | abrotman, you mean adacore? just found this on google |
| 15:44.27 | Jens8 | abrotman: nvm I guessed right t was VGA, Thx |
| 15:44.57 | abrotman | Jens8: why can't you just tell me what 'lspci | grep VGA' says ? |
| 15:45.05 | hark | hehe |
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| 15:50.57 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:50.57 | dpkg | somebody said qotd78 was <BiZARRE> why cant I type my password when I try to login? <Phated> BiZARRE: Your password isn't echoed to the console. <BiZARRE> what? <BiZARRE> well, how do I type in the password? <Seb> BiZARRE: you hit the keys one by one <BiZARRE> nothing happens when I hit the keys <paulswm> UNtil you hit 'enter' <BiZARRE> the only key working is enter <BiZARRE> ok |
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| 15:52.16 | Thug-N-Me | hi |
| 15:53.18 | Thug-N-Me | anyone here able to help me mounting ... a nokia phone using the usb connection ? i would like to browser the phone contend |
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| 15:54.32 | majere | hi! can any1 help me ? I need cron to send mail to me but i'm not sure if cron even does anything |
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| 15:55.06 | abrotman | run the script manually first (what's the name of the script?) |
| 15:55.12 | ramy | i am trying to setup autofs to work with NIS maps. I am stuck with executable maps (which are shell script) ! is there a way to share this kind of maps through NIS ? |
| 15:55.16 | Blissex | majere: 'man crond' and check the system logs for 'CRON' lines |
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| 15:58.01 | abrotman | majere: script name can't have a . in it |
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| 15:58.50 | ramy | Blissex: do you mean there is no way ? |
| 15:59.02 | majere | well, i'm now testing... have following line on my crontab: MAILTO=user * * * * * /bin/ls |
| 15:59.07 | majere | nothing happens |
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| 16:00.04 | abrotman | that's not how |
| 16:00.18 | E911 | hi. I#ve debootstrapped a debian onto a compact flash media |
| 16:00.24 | mutantpineapple | some packages won't upgrade, i get told "readlink: invalid option --q", anyone any idea why? |
| 16:00.27 | E911 | but how can i now add grub to it? |
| 16:00.51 | E911 | the cf is in an usb reader and available as /dev/sdb |
| 16:01.02 | ramy | i am trying to setup autofs to work with NIS maps. I am stuck with executable maps (which are shell script) ! is there a way to share this kind of maps through NIS ? |
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| 16:03.06 | mutantpineapple | incidentally, q should be a valid option |
| 16:04.10 | abrotman | !bts |
| 16:04.11 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 16:06.21 | hello_hello_hel | need to grab a confuse from dpkg ignore it |
| 16:06.27 | hello_hello_hel | !confuse dpkg |
| 16:06.27 | dpkg | Yes, what are your weasel tomorrow, dpkg? lederhosen of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 16:06.36 | abrotman | hello_hello_hel: then msg the fucking bot |
| 16:06.46 | hello_hello_hel | sry |
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| 16:07.00 | abrotman | hello_hello_hel: do you have *one* debian-related quesiton ? |
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| 16:08.24 | hello_hello_hel | well i want to know if its possible to downgrade if you have errors? i have been wondering that for allooong time |
| 16:08.38 | space_ninja | !fglrx |
| 16:08.38 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 16:08.51 | abrotman | downgrade not possible |
| 16:08.59 | space_ninja | !fglrx non-liner |
| 16:09.14 | abrotman | !tell space_ninja about fglrx one-liner |
| 16:09.24 | space_ninja | thx |
| 16:09.36 | hello_hello_hel | :( |
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| 16:10.35 | space_ninja | heh. will it work out of the box if I type that? |
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| 16:11.00 | space_ninja | !xorg |
| 16:11.00 | dpkg | i heard xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 16:11.25 | space_ninja | !tell me about get xorg |
| 16:11.35 | space_ninja | !tell space_ninja about get xorg |
| 16:11.50 | wols | !tell space_ninja about msg the bot |
| 16:11.58 | fannagoganna | hi, wondering how to change the group on my CD devices from "cdrom" to "users" @ startup? |
| 16:12.21 | abrotman | udev rules |
| 16:12.23 | fannagoganna | i can change them with k3bsetup, but i would like some startup script or basic config to set their permissions |
| 16:12.29 | abrotman | !tell space_ninja about msg the bot |
| 16:12.29 | fannagoganna | how do i use udev rules? |
| 16:12.32 | abrotman | doh |
| 16:13.07 | abrotman | wols: i didn't see it! |
| 16:13.15 | abrotman | !udev |
| 16:13.15 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
| 16:13.17 | abrotman | !udev rules |
| 16:13.17 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
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| 16:13.58 | fannagoganna | !udev rules |
| 16:13.58 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 16:14.18 | abrotman | it changed after that guy joined |
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| 16:14.30 | ashmawy_ | hello, i am trying to connnect thru my wireless and kwifimanager says there are no available networks. while iwlist scan prints interface doesnt support scan. anyone help ? |
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| 16:14.56 | Gnea | ashmawy_: tried wifi-radar? |
| 16:15.20 | mrcheeks | ashmawy, did you installed your wireless card driver, if possible using ndiswrapper? |
| 16:15.21 | ashmawy_ | nope |
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| 16:16.04 | mrcheeks | ashmawy, dod you ave the cd for your wireless card? |
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| 16:16.14 | dob1 | hi, with dd can i save an ntfs partition for backup? |
| 16:16.14 | space_ninja | should I remove the xserver-xorg-video-all package if I want fglrx? |
| 16:16.27 | wols | space_ninja: no |
| 16:16.34 | space_ninja | why not? |
| 16:16.36 | wols | dob1: yes |
| 16:16.46 | fannagoganna | do the permissions for the alsa sound devices (in /dev/snd/pcm*) also set in udev? |
| 16:16.46 | ashmawy_ | nope i dont have the cd |
| 16:16.54 | fannagoganna | that is, are the permissions also set there? |
| 16:16.57 | dob1 | wols: ok then to restore it i have only to do the "reverse" dd, right ? |
| 16:16.58 | abrotman | it's not even sunday |
| 16:17.04 | wols | dob1: yes |
| 16:17.10 | ashmawy_ | mrcheeks, ill try ndiswrapper and if not ill come to u again |
| 16:17.12 | wols | abrotman: but it's early-sunday |
| 16:17.23 | dob1 | wols: the partition have to be the same ? same dimension i mean |
| 16:17.24 | wols | ashmawy_: what wlan chip do you use? |
| 16:17.30 | wols | dob1: yes |
| 16:17.42 | dob1 | ok thanks |
| 16:17.47 | ashmawy_ | wols: intel prowireless 2100 |
| 16:17.48 | wols | dob1: and you might have to run fixboot to make it bootable again |
| 16:18.13 | dob1 | wols: ok i can install a bootloader, and then add the partition to it, right ? |
| 16:18.20 | hark | ashmawy_: does iwconfig show any interfaces with wireless extensions? |
| 16:18.45 | wols | ashmawy_: ipw2100 doesn't need ndiswrapper |
| 16:18.56 | wols | dob1: no |
| 16:19.09 | dob1 | wols: why not? |
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| 16:19.29 | wols | cause it won't work most probably (depends a bit on circumstances) |
| 16:19.43 | wols | your partition bootsector might have changed |
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| 16:20.19 | dob1 | wols: so the right procedure is after restore of it , to run fixboot ? |
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| 16:20.46 | ashmawy__ | very sorry , dc |
| 16:20.46 | wols | es. and of course you need a MBR bootloader too, so either fixmbr or grub |
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| 16:21.21 | wols | < hark> ashmawy_: does iwconfig show any interfaces with wireless extensions? |
| 16:21.21 | space_ninja | if aptitude suggests packages, should it be marked as green when I install the main package? |
| 16:21.22 | ashmawy__ | wols: i tried installing ipw2100 b4 , it required me to install ieee80211 package and then it didnt install. |
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| 16:21.38 | hark | ashmawy_: what kernel? |
| 16:21.47 | dob1 | wols: sorry, just to understand, i restore the partition with dd, i install grud and i add, for example /dev/hda1 to it with a label, is right? |
| 16:21.48 | nivanson | space_ninja: If any package depends or recomends it. |
| 16:21.51 | ashmawy__ | wols: nope iwconfig prints no wireless extensions |
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| 16:22.04 | ashmawy__ | hark: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 16:22.06 | wols | dob1: you forgot fixboot. but the rest was right |
| 16:22.09 | IamEthos | is there some where I can get md5 sums for the installer disks? |
| 16:22.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:22.29 | dob1 | wols: fixboot is a windows program? |
| 16:22.31 | hark | ashmawy__: it's already present in the kernel.. no need to install it |
| 16:22.32 | nivanson | space_ninja: aptitude installs recomended packages for you unless you tell it not to |
| 16:22.34 | wols | dob1: yes |
| 16:23.03 | hark | also etch does not have the ieee80211 package, iirc |
| 16:23.06 | wols | IamEthos: debian.org afaik |
| 16:23.11 | dob1 | wols: ok but, how can i run it if i can't boot this partition ? :) |
| 16:23.25 | hark | ashmawy__: get the firmware and modprobe ipw2100 |
| 16:23.25 | wols | dob1: there are windows CDs. which you have |
| 16:23.44 | space_ninja | but it doesnt do it with xserver-xorg-core |
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| 16:23.47 | space_ninja | that |
| 16:23.56 | space_ninja | it's some fonts |
| 16:24.16 | dob1 | wols: ok , it's on windows cd |
| 16:24.40 | hark | space_ninja: what? |
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| 16:25.11 | ashmawy___ | sorry again |
| 16:25.12 | wols | !tell ashmawy__ about ipw2100 |
| 16:25.18 | xand | !greenhouse |
| 16:25.18 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 16:25.20 | space_ninja | it doesn't mark the suggested packages that is within xserver-xorg-core with green when I |
| 16:25.25 | ashmawy___ | what should i do next ? |
| 16:25.33 | ashmawy___ | wols: what about ipw2100 |
| 16:25.35 | space_ninja | mark it |
| 16:25.42 | wols | ashmawy__: read what dpkg told you |
| 16:26.37 | hark | ashmawy__: no need to use m-a, just get the firmware from the site, and then modprobe ieee80211 and ipw2100 |
| 16:26.57 | ashmawy___ | hark: what is m-a ? |
| 16:27.05 | hark | !m-a |
| 16:27.06 | dpkg | hmm... module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 16:27.34 | ashmawy___ | ok thanks , ill try it |
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| 16:28.06 | disposable | where can i get Etch business card image? |
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| 16:28.38 | space_ninja | I've found a small bug in etch, the sources.list are wrong. A comment sign as been misplaced |
| 16:29.08 | space_ninja | it's the CD source |
| 16:29.18 | space_ninja | It has aslo been duplicated for no good reason |
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| 16:29.44 | space_ninja | and It gives me errors when I use aptitude |
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| 16:30.21 | hark | !d-i disposable |
| 16:30.21 | dpkg | disposable, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:30.42 | hark | the second link ^ |
| 16:31.23 | hark | space_ninja: what error? |
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| 16:31.32 | x_link | Hi, I just have a question. I use KDE and I like it the most, cause I don't like the other WMs, I have been trying other ones but I really don't find anything I like. If I had to use anything else it would be Xfce4 then. Is there any WM that has panels, icons etc? That kind of "looks" like KDE? |
| 16:31.33 | space_ninja | the sources.list file |
| 16:31.42 | space_ninja | hark, it typed wrong |
| 16:31.46 | x_link | I would REALLY appreicate some info/help. |
| 16:31.51 | stoned | hi |
| 16:31.54 | space_ninja | well incorrectlu |
| 16:31.54 | wols | x_link: no |
| 16:32.14 | stoned | x_link, nah, thats the travesty |
| 16:32.27 | stoned | it looks good, but on the bloated side |
| 16:32.36 | x_link | Hi stoned ! Welcome back. |
| 16:32.37 | stoned | stick with kde cuz you won't find another fat gem like it |
| 16:32.40 | space_ninja | hark, the default installation gives me a bad written sources.list |
| 16:32.42 | stoned | thank you kind sir |
| 16:32.43 | stoned | :) |
| 16:32.54 | h3sp4wn | there was another qt based window manager but I don't think its still maintained |
| 16:32.56 | hark | space_ninja: file a bug then... |
| 16:32.58 | x_link | Travest? is that a WM stoned ? |
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| 16:33.12 | wols | no. it's a wrod |
| 16:33.14 | x_link | hark: Ok. |
| 16:33.15 | wols | *word |
| 16:33.16 | stoned | x_link, no travesty means like trajedy type |
| 16:33.18 | x_link | ahh ok |
| 16:33.20 | stoned | I can't recall the exact meaning |
| 16:33.24 | x_link | ok |
| 16:33.32 | IamEthos | if I want kernel26 with sata support, what options do I need for the debian install cd? |
| 16:33.36 | x_link | If I could I would make my own WM =) |
| 16:33.46 | wols | IamEthos: linux26 |
| 16:33.52 | wols | if using sarge |
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| 16:33.56 | stoned | oh crap, I just installed xp on this bro in law machine and its got uk locales |
| 16:33.57 | stoned | brb |
| 16:34.05 | IamEthos | wols, I did linux26, but it said "no partitionable media" |
| 16:34.17 | ashmawy___ | dpkg: tell ashmawy___ about ipw2100 |
| 16:34.18 | hark | IamEthos: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 16:34.28 | wols | 2.6.8 is 2 years old. and no, there is no newer kernel on the sarge cD |
| 16:34.32 | stoned | you don't need a .19 kernel |
| 16:34.47 | x_link | stoned: Secret Maryo Chronicles didn't work. |
| 16:34.50 | stoned | you could use etch if it isn't a server |
| 16:34.50 | x_link | I never got it working |
| 16:34.52 | wols | !tell ashmawy___ about msg the bot |
| 16:34.54 | disposable | hark: very nice of you, but i'm after Etch |
| 16:35.05 | hark | disposable: look again |
| 16:35.05 | Coke | stoned: etch is pretty cool as a server these days. |
| 16:35.31 | stoned | x_link, reason being, its looking for a different lib than the one you have in etch. I compiled the packages on sid, not etch. simply make symlink for the file it looks for and it will be good |
| 16:35.50 | disposable | hark: ah, the second link.. |
| 16:35.52 | stoned | x_link, but I will have to repackage the game, since the developers have released a new version |
| 16:36.07 | stoned | I am still in the middle of moving so its slow |
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| 16:36.39 | IamEthos | so there's no way to get sata support with the disks I have? |
| 16:36.39 | stoned | yes there is |
| 16:36.42 | IamEthos | stoned? |
| 16:36.49 | wols | IamEthos: no |
| 16:36.58 | wols | sarge has 2.6.8 and 2.4.27, that's it |
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| 16:37.10 | stoned | oh with the disks you have |
| 16:37.16 | stoned | I suggested etch earlier mybad |
| 16:37.31 | stoned | or 2.6.18 on sarge, but still not with the disks you have |
| 16:37.33 | IamEthos | isn't etch a bit too new for a production server? |
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| 16:37.40 | hark | it's 42 again!! |
| 16:37.45 | wols | IamEthos: then use kmuto |
| 16:37.47 | stoned | IamEthos kenshi mutos di should work for you |
| 16:37.49 | disposable | hark: my eyes hurt but i still cant see etch business card or netinst :( |
| 16:38.08 | hark | disposable: moment |
| 16:38.10 | IamEthos | this should really be noted somewhere on the "get debian" page |
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| 16:38.22 | stoned | it is |
| 16:38.32 | stoned | there is a clear link to etch installer from the sarge installer page |
| 16:38.39 | wols | disposable: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:39.04 | stoned | one should read carefully the pages one comes across |
| 16:39.22 | hark | disposable: it's there... what llink are you trying? |
| 16:39.36 | stoned | let me switch my locales I can't use exclamation or pound |
| 16:39.36 | wols | IamEthos: considering how soon etch will be stable and how few RC bugs there are: get eetch |
| 16:39.38 | disposable | wols: thank you |
| 16:39.53 | IamEthos | how soon will etch be stable? |
| 16:39.54 | disposable | hark: i've found it using link from wols |
| 16:40.10 | stoned | #! cool |
| 16:40.20 | stoned | !d-i IamEthos |
| 16:40.21 | dpkg | IamEthos, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:40.26 | wols | IamEthos: hopefully next month |
| 16:40.32 | stoned | really? |
| 16:40.35 | hark | disposable: yeah, the second link from before takes you to that page anyway.. :) |
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| 16:40.39 | stoned | 1 month to go hopefully |
| 16:40.43 | wols | stoned: that's what debian announce said |
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| 16:40.49 | stoned | nice |
| 16:40.57 | Jens8 | Abrotman: Hey I finally found it 32mb NivadaTNT2 Graphics |
| 16:41.01 | wols | but then: they said "december" before :) |
| 16:41.03 | x_link | stoned: Okej, just tell me when you're done |
| 16:41.12 | stoned | Jens8 I got 1 too :) covered in dust |
| 16:41.30 | wols | Jens8: nv driver |
| 16:41.36 | Jens8 | :Stoned: lol |
| 16:41.39 | Jens8 | Wols:Thx |
| 16:42.33 | IamEthos | do I want the latest nightly or weekly build |
| 16:43.15 | wols | just as long as you don't get rc1 |
| 16:43.22 | space_ninja | Why isn't artwiz available? http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/fluxbox |
| 16:43.23 | wols | after install you dit-upgrade anyways |
| 16:43.35 | x_link | wols: What exactly does RC1 mean? |
| 16:43.45 | Dusk_ | i have a problem that i installed debian on my second drive but it doesn't boot. it gives me grub error 5 |
| 16:43.46 | wols | Release Candidate 1 |
| 16:43.52 | Dusk_ | how can i dual boot my pc? |
| 16:44.00 | wols | Dusk_: by fixing grub |
| 16:44.01 | x_link | Ahh ok, is rc1 = beta1? |
| 16:44.11 | Dusk_ | i have pardus linux and windows xp on my first hdd |
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| 16:44.16 | Dusk_ | and debian on my second |
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| 16:44.25 | wols | Dusk_: where is grub installed? |
| 16:44.29 | Dusk_ | mbr |
| 16:44.32 | h3sp4wn | x_link: beta's were ages ago (last was beta4 - after beta4 was rc1) |
| 16:44.34 | wols | of? |
| 16:44.36 | Dusk_ | in first drive |
| 16:44.45 | hark | !info xfonts-artwiz |
| 16:44.49 | wols | Dusk_: where us your menu.lst? |
| 16:44.54 | dpkg | xfonts-artwiz: (x11 fonts created by Artwiz, TigerT, and Daniel Erat), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 436 kB |
| 16:44.59 | Dusk_ | wols: second drive |
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| 16:45.02 | Dusk_ | hdb5 |
| 16:45.08 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Ahh ok. |
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| 16:45.35 | x_link | Cause I use something that was Beta before, and then it said rc1, then rc2. |
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| 16:45.51 | x_link | So it's first Alpha then Beta then rc1, rc2, rc3 etc. ? |
| 16:45.55 | wols | Dusk_: grub error 5 means "partition table corrupt" |
| 16:46.15 | Dusk_ | wols: but i uninstalled debian grub en reinstalled pardus linux grub and edit its grub.conf file |
| 16:46.15 | h3sp4wn | x_link: depends on what it is |
| 16:46.19 | wols | Dusk_: and why is your menu.st on 2nd drive with grub on first? |
| 16:46.24 | Dusk_ | wols: everything looks ok |
| 16:46.34 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Okey. |
| 16:47.00 | Dusk_ | wols: i don't know..i select it on the installation menu |
| 16:47.04 | wols | Dusk_: you have debian in your menu.lst and when you try to boot debian it gives you error 5? |
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| 16:47.19 | Dusk_ | wols: yes exactly |
| 16:47.29 | wols | Dusk_: your 2nd disk partition table is shot |
| 16:47.29 | wols | fix it |
| 16:47.41 | Dusk_ | wols: how? |
| 16:48.00 | bwlang | i'm looking for a debian compatible laptop... looking at lenovo, toshiba, dell, hp. Any other vendors i should consider (smaller ones?) |
| 16:48.08 | stoned | hp |
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| 16:48.35 | IamEthos | x_link, release candidates are software that should be ready for release, but they are in a testing phase to verify the them before the actual release |
| 16:48.47 | x_link | ahh o |
| 16:48.47 | x_link | ok |
| 16:48.49 | Dusk_ | <wols> Dusk_: your 2nd disk partition table is shot??? |
| 16:48.52 | x_link | IamEthos: Thanks |
| 16:49.06 | wols | Dusk_: I don't know how it is shot |
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| 16:49.22 | jetscreamer | !tell bwlang -about laptop |
| 16:49.28 | Jens8 | isn't a Mac best for debian? |
| 16:49.43 | h3sp4wn | x_link: but one projects definition of prealpha may be anothers definition of version 3 - so often you cannot tell about quality |
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| 16:50.14 | Dusk_ | wols: do i have to install grub in the harddrive that menu.lst exists? |
| 16:50.34 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Okey |
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| 16:50.35 | wols | Dusk_: no. you have to fix your partition table. |
| 16:50.47 | Dusk_ | wols: with gparted or what? |
| 16:50.56 | wols | with whatever works |
| 16:51.07 | Dusk_ | wols: i dont' know nothing about partition table :( |
| 16:51.11 | perlmonk | Hi everyone, I'm having an issue, everything was working fine and all of a sudden apps started to act slow. Looking at a gnome applet I seen: Memory: 50% used as cache, 50% use by apps... |
| 16:51.19 | wols | then you are SOL |
| 16:51.39 | wols | perlmonk: that is bad how? |
| 16:51.46 | perlmonk | I guess this 100% use of memory might be the cause of my problem, certainly the system keeps swapping and such... |
| 16:51.46 | IamEthos | I'm setting up a server today |
| 16:51.53 | IamEthos | why the hell wouldn't I bring a live CD with me? |
| 16:51.54 | IamEthos | anyone? |
| 16:51.54 | perlmonk | wols, I'm asking if it is |
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| 16:51.58 | wols | !tell perlmonk about free ram |
| 16:52.27 | IamEthos | answer: because i'm not organized or well prepared |
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| 16:52.39 | perlmonk | ok... |
| 16:52.43 | wols | IamEthos: why would you need one? |
| 16:52.50 | perlmonk | This doesn't explain why the apps acted slow then |
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| 16:53.00 | wols | !win perlmonk |
| 16:53.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, perlmonk! You have won the US presidency! |
| 16:53.02 | IamEthos | wols, well, it's on a university network |
| 16:53.16 | wad | !win Ross Perot |
| 16:53.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, Ross Perot! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:53.18 | wols | IamEthos: doesn't explain why you need one |
| 16:53.20 | wad | lol |
| 16:53.23 | IamEthos | and our university is a fan of web-based logins for access to the network |
| 16:53.33 | perlmonk | wols, Sarcasm is part of the help ? |
| 16:53.36 | perlmonk | stupid. |
| 16:53.39 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 16:53.49 | jetscreamer | didn't you get the memo? |
| 16:53.55 | IamEthos | and using wget to authenticate is a beotch. |
| 16:53.58 | perlmonk | Well, I already helped plenty of people, never did I use sarcasm |
| 16:54.13 | jetscreamer | we're gonna have to penalize you |
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| 16:54.23 | aadil | u should, sarcasm is teh best thing since sliced bread |
| 16:54.26 | aadil | :) |
| 16:54.29 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike perlmonk |
| 16:54.29 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking perlmonk to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 16:54.50 | Jens8 | >.< |
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| 16:57.33 | space_ninja | is update-pciids in the pciutils package |
| 16:57.36 | space_ninja | ? |
| 16:57.36 | Jens8 | Tip: Choose belgian servers to apt-get you prob donwload at 400kbs |
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| 16:59.47 | IamEthos | I'm guessing the default install for etch is kernel 26, right? |
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| 17:00.41 | space_ninja | IamEthos, yes ls /boot gives me the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 17:00.48 | IamEthos | and which would the installer most likely recognize as eth0: my onboard nic or my pci nic? |
| 17:01.02 | h3sp4wn | IamEthos: depends |
| 17:01.28 | h3sp4wn | IamEthos: (it may even find them in a different order on firstboot to the installer) - there a bug about it |
| 17:01.48 | jetscreamer | same happens with ide controllers |
| 17:01.59 | IamEthos | h3sp4wn, yeah, I know that the detection order of devices isn't a perfect science yet |
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| 17:03.06 | h3sp4wn | IamEthos: once its installed you can specify what you want to be what editing /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 17:03.53 | IamEthos | h3sp4wn, yeah, I do that with my wireless devices on my other machines |
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| 17:04.27 | IamEthos | what's the verdict on LVM? |
| 17:04.33 | IamEthos | always seemed like an annoyance to me |
| 17:04.39 | IamEthos | but is it worthwhile to use? |
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| 17:05.16 | h3sp4wn | IamEthos: I am using it for my xen domU's (but the dom0 still uses normal partitions) |
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| 17:06.52 | Jens8 | Eep, FATAL IO error 104 |
| 17:06.57 | Jens8 | i tried startx |
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| 17:07.13 | Jens8 | help? |
| 17:07.41 | chris_173 | hey, I've got some generally easy question: I've got a pc with an amd64x2 processor, so this is a 64bit machine. I once had installed debian sarge for amd64 but now want to install sarge for i386, so without 64bit support. |
| 17:08.13 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 17:08.15 | GV|V4mpire | hey guys i need a hand.. its like debain/windows/netgear router related problem |
| 17:08.26 | chris_173 | When using the netinst cd for i386, the installation hangs. when using the amd64cd, it doesn't. So is it really possible to install sarge i386 on a 64bit machine? |
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| 17:09.02 | dazjorz | I'm downloading the packages for debian i386 using jigdo... do I really need all 14 cd's? |
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| 17:09.17 | jetscreamer | dazjorz: no just #1 |
| 17:09.27 | jetscreamer | dazjorz: or just get a netinst or businesscard |
| 17:09.29 | space_ninja | <fglrx one-liner> doesn't work... |
| 17:10.05 | jetscreamer | i had the best luck with the ati installer when i did ati the one and only time |
| 17:10.08 | chris_173 | dazjorz: I guess it isn't.. The first four cd's are more than enough if you have some internet connection available |
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| 17:10.31 | dazjorz | chris_173, jetscreamer: I want services up again asap, so I rather install from CD and then update from internet |
| 17:10.35 | chris_173 | using the internet, you later can download additional programs from the debian repository |
| 17:10.38 | dazjorz | but the required base packages are all on the first four cd's? |
| 17:10.40 | GV|V4mpire | my problem being is i installed a netinst of debian within vmware to use as a server for testing purposes and i forwarded ports and allowed the connections on firewall and people cant connect to ssh |
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| 17:11.06 | chris_173 | dazjorz: that's it. yes. |
| 17:11.09 | hark | dazjorz: the first one will do.. alternatively just use the netinst |
| 17:11.13 | GV|V4mpire | they been trying for ages.. all ports forwarded they managed to connect once but used wrong user no its timing out again on coonect |
| 17:11.15 | GV|V4mpire | any ideas ? |
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| 17:11.40 | IamEthos | jeez |
| 17:11.46 | IamEthos | I don't know what to do with 500gb of space |
| 17:11.53 | blastura | Hi, I've mounted my /home on an lvm volume and it seems to work without any problems (fresh debian sarge install) but when I try to run cfdisk I get an error, FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap <- ? |
| 17:12.51 | Jens8 | EE no screen found, Suggestions? |
| 17:13.03 | blastura | the lvm-volume is on /dev/hda6 |
| 17:13.10 | phogg | drink up me hearties, yo-ho |
| 17:13.19 | x01_ | what the... why would apt want to remove kernel-image??!?! |
| 17:13.38 | phogg | x01_: apt-cache show, check conflicts |
| 17:13.55 | phogg | IamEthos: bit torrent |
| 17:14.00 | dazjorz | hark: I want services up again asap, so I rather install from CD and then update from internet |
| 17:14.06 | IamEthos | phogg, ? |
| 17:14.09 | dazjorz | hark: [pasted from three lines above..] |
| 17:14.15 | phogg | IamEthos: 500G is nothing if you download a lot |
| 17:14.28 | IamEthos | phogg, this is for a web server |
| 17:14.34 | GV|V4mpire | guys any ideas on my problem ? |
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| 17:15.12 | jetscreamer | !any ideas |
| 17:15.12 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen three-legged ostriches. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 17:15.19 | CharminTheMoose | why is gcc-2.95 included in the debian sarge repositories? |
| 17:15.28 | phogg | IamEthos: does the box see a connection attempt? Is ssh listening on the right address? |
| 17:15.58 | CharminTheMoose | also, is it normal that gcc-3.3 can compile a 2.4.27 kernel but gcc-3.4 can't? |
| 17:16.20 | phogg | IamEthos: sorry, that was for GV|V4mpire |
| 17:16.23 | dazjorz | CharminTheMoose: Yeah, some kernels can't be comiled by some compilers (and versions) because of differences in the code |
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| 17:16.50 | dazjorz | CharminTheMoose: e.g. an old version allowed char *foobar []; but a newer one didn't, or something |
| 17:17.07 | dazjorz | CharminTheMoose: however, if you are going to compile, you're best off compiling a 2.6 kernel and not a 2.4 whenever possible |
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| 17:17.22 | GV|V4mpire | well it must be if i can use any other computer on local network to connect to it and the guy that tryed to connect managed to connect once then couldn't connect again |
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| 17:17.51 | chris_173 | hum..is there noone who probably knows why my i386 debian setup halts when searching for hardware? ("loading module ide disk for linux ata disk") With the amd64 installation cd, there are NO problems.. |
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| 17:18.42 | space_ninja | Eh, my computer screen is all black with verticall red lines on it. It got so after X tried to auto configure my screen.... |
| 17:18.47 | baxter_kylie | Hi. I'm having difficulty getting mysql to start on Etch. Could anyone offer some assistance? |
| 17:18.55 | space_ninja | What should I do? |
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| 17:19.22 | wad | I'm setting up my new debian box as a file server, using samba. Where is the proper place to put files to be shared over my network? |
| 17:19.32 | GV|V4mpire | phogg: what u reckon could be causing the problem ? |
| 17:21.08 | Jens8 | Abrotman: Hey I finally found it 32mb NivadaTNT2 Graphics |
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| 17:21.42 | Jens8 | I have a 32mb NivadaTNT2 Graphics Card, I choose Nv but it didn't find my screen,. Sugeestions? |
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| 17:22.19 | chemaja | Jens8, manually set the res of the monitor, including sync/refresh rates |
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| 17:22.31 | stoned | Jens8, /msg dpkg install x |
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| 17:22.50 | stoned | shouldn't have to manually set the freq. |
| 17:23.00 | hark | dazjorz: depends on what you need, but CD1 ought to be enough. You can get the others via aptitude |
| 17:23.19 | Jens8 | x is installed |
| 17:23.29 | hark | Jens8: what error do you get? |
| 17:23.46 | Jens8 | (EE) no devices detected |
| 17:23.53 | Jens8 | Fatal server found |
| 17:23.56 | Jens8 | No screens found |
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| 17:24.27 | dazjorz | Fatal server found? :) |
| 17:24.29 | stoned | Jens8 can you pastebin your xorg.conf |
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| 17:24.35 | stoned | or xf86 whichever you are using |
| 17:24.37 | Jens8 | err |
| 17:24.39 | stoned | !paster Jens8 |
| 17:24.39 | Jens8 | Error |
| 17:24.39 | dpkg | Jens8: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 17:24.53 | dazjorz | hark: regular server, no x, I can install the small packages through apt indeed |
| 17:25.07 | hark | Jens8: grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log |
| 17:26.03 | hark | Jens8: try with vesa as well |
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| 17:26.24 | Jens8 | Don't have acces. gonna try vesa |
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| 17:27.25 | Jens8 | Ohow, |
| 17:27.29 | Jens8 | RBG screen |
| 17:27.58 | jetscreamer | do the grep EE first |
| 17:28.08 | hark | dazjorz: ah, the cd will have X as well though, along with a bit of a DE (probably Gnome).. But you can install the base |
| 17:28.31 | dazjorz | hark: Using the first cd only? |
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| 17:28.44 | Jens9 | srr d/ced |
| 17:28.55 | hark | yes, IIRC.. |
| 17:30.35 | Jens9 | Back to NV i guess, How do i solve the Screen prob then |
| 17:30.35 | stoned | Jens9 do as you're told maybe, grep for EE within xorg0log |
| 17:30.35 | stoned | or whatever |
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| 17:30.36 | Jens9 | !tell stoned: how i do that? >.< |
| 17:30.36 | stoned | then we find out what exactly the issue is |
| 17:30.37 | stoned | you were told exactly what to do by hark, scroll up or I can repaste what hark said |
| 17:30.52 | Jens9 | repaste, d/ced |
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| 17:31.01 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log he said |
| 17:31.01 | stoned | <hark> Jens8: grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log |
| 17:31.27 | jetscreamer | it 'could' be your mouse isn't working |
| 17:31.41 | Jens9 | Mouse is ok, checked that |
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| 17:31.52 | jetscreamer | but do the grep |
| 17:31.55 | Jens9 | Permission denied. CHMOD? |
| 17:32.05 | jetscreamer | grep as root |
| 17:32.18 | jetscreamer | the file is rw - - iirc |
| 17:32.57 | Jens9 | It was my mouse after all |
| 17:33.09 | jetscreamer | no it's not rw - - |
| 17:33.10 | Jens9 | Generic mouse cannot open input device |
| 17:33.25 | jetscreamer | modprobe mousedev and try again |
| 17:33.44 | jetscreamer | if it works list the word mousedev in /etc/modules |
| 17:33.51 | Jens9 | can't locate |
| 17:34.08 | Jens9 | gonna dkpg |
| 17:34.27 | jetscreamer | did you ever paste your .conf ? |
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| 17:35.34 | hark | no he didn't.. no X ;) |
| 17:35.44 | hark | Jens9: can't locate what? |
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| 17:36.02 | Jens9 | Can't locate mouse input |
| 17:36.07 | stoned | bbl gotta go get medicine for the kid |
| 17:36.29 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart |
| 17:36.30 | dpkg | looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps. also, mousedev and psmouse sometimes didn't used to get loaded after a fresh install, which would bork x, but lately they get loaded. |
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| 17:36.52 | jetscreamer | try modprobe mousedev ... btw those modprobes are as root |
| 17:36.57 | drummer_wilson | can i mount my linux partitions in macos? |
| 17:37.29 | jetscreamer | i would guess yes but no idea whatsoever drummer_wilson |
| 17:37.45 | IamEthos | okay |
| 17:37.48 | Piet | drummer_wilson: this surely depends on the file systems you have on linux |
| 17:37.49 | jetscreamer | i'd probably be wrong too |
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| 17:37.55 | IamEthos | I can not for the life of me send POST data correctly |
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| 17:38.00 | IamEthos | what is wrong with me? |
| 17:38.04 | IamEthos | using wget, I mean |
| 17:38.26 | Piet | you lack karma |
| 17:38.29 | mischko | How to install the source code package for sqlite3? |
| 17:38.32 | stoned | http://www.bmannconsulting.com/macosx/how-to/ext2-for-mac/ext2fsx-readme |
| 17:38.40 | wols | IamEthos: use lynx |
| 17:38.53 | wols | mischko: apt-get source |
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| 17:39.05 | mischko | wols, so apt-get source install sqlite3? |
| 17:39.18 | wols | no. man apt-get |
| 17:39.53 | IamEthos | wols, lynx doesn't come on the netinstall cd |
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| 17:40.10 | wols | bummer :/ |
| 17:40.10 | IamEthos | and I can't access the internet to get lynx until I authenticate on my school's network |
| 17:40.20 | Piet | IamEthos: what are you rying to achieve? |
| 17:40.26 | wols | how ate you on irc right now? |
| 17:40.47 | wols | e.g we could dcc you lynx or such via dcc? |
| 17:40.55 | IamEthos | wols, laptop |
| 17:40.57 | IamEthos | seperate system |
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| 17:41.19 | jetscreamer | sneakernet it |
| 17:41.25 | IamEthos | Piet, I need to send some POST data to a URL |
| 17:41.31 | IamEthos | with only wget at my disposal |
| 17:41.42 | mischko | IamEthos, do you have curl available? |
| 17:42.07 | IamEthos | mischko, looks like I don't |
| 17:42.15 | IamEthos | I know it's possible to do with wget |
| 17:42.28 | IamEthos | but I can never remember the syntax of sending postdata |
| 17:42.32 | mischko | wget --post-file |
| 17:42.35 | Piet | IamEthos: you're trying to do a debian netinstall from behind a proxy which requires you to authenticate through one or more HTTP POST requests? |
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| 17:42.56 | IamEthos | Piet, just one, but yet |
| 17:43.13 | Piet | there's both wget --hlp and man wget |
| 17:43.19 | Piet | --help for that matter |
| 17:43.20 | mischko | wget --post-data=string |
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| 17:44.14 | mischko | wget --post-data 'user=foo&password=bar' http://foo.com/ |
| 17:44.15 | IamEthos | mischko, I've got that part |
| 17:44.22 | space_ninja | is debian using initV? |
| 17:44.54 | Jens9 | Ok mouse is ok now,but now startx disapeared >.< ! |
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| 17:45.13 | jetscreamer | what? |
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| 17:45.26 | Jens9 | command not found |
| 17:45.27 | Piet | IamEthos: so what did you already try and how did you know it didnt work? |
| 17:45.56 | GV|V4mpire | does anyone know how to solve my problem ? |
| 17:46.01 | jetscreamer | Jens9: wee-urd |
| 17:46.16 | jetscreamer | Jens9: when did you install... did you ever update? |
| 17:46.27 | IamEthos | Piet, I can tell it's not working by the page that I get back |
| 17:46.27 | jetscreamer | is this etch or sarge |
| 17:46.38 | jetscreamer | xorg or xfree |
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| 17:46.53 | Piet | IamEthos: could you be more unspecific, please? |
| 17:46.55 | anapivirtua | Bye all. |
| 17:47.00 | CryptoMole | hey all |
| 17:47.20 | jetscreamer | Jens9: ls /usr/bin/startx |
| 17:47.23 | IamEthos | Piet, that request returns an error page saying 'sorry, not good enough" |
| 17:47.24 | CryptoMole | i have a thinkpad t60 with acpi problems |
| 17:47.33 | IamEthos | basically |
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| 17:47.53 | IamEthos | I'm not sure if where the URL appears in the command matters |
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| 17:48.05 | maraya | Hey all...first time debian installed..few questions.. |
| 17:48.17 | Jens9 | already tried that yet some lines are missing |
| 17:48.18 | IamEthos | but I have tried the same format you just suggested with the URL in front of --post-data |
| 17:48.20 | Piet | IamEthos: does it also return a HTTP status code? are you sure you don't need to authenticate through HTTP Basic/Digest authentication? |
| 17:48.27 | Jens9 | jet |
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| 17:48.32 | IamEthos | Piet, I am doing that also |
| 17:48.42 | IamEthos | and that I have authenticated |
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| 17:49.02 | maraya | New to Linux. Just installed Debian on my Slug (Linksys NSLU2). All working great. Now I want to install X Windows on SLUG. Not sure if it make sense |
| 17:49.12 | Piet | IamEthos: so you need to authenticate against the proxy server twice? |
| 17:49.14 | Jens9 | jetscreamer: already tried that jetscreamer some lines are missing |
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| 17:49.30 | maraya | also not sure what all i need to install |
| 17:49.30 | jetscreamer | Jens9: some lines? tried what? |
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| 17:49.44 | wols | maraya: you can install x library and x apps on it. you can't really install a X server |
| 17:49.45 | Jens9 | wait |
| 17:49.51 | jetscreamer | waiting |
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| 17:50.04 | wols | maraya: just install whatever app you want with apt-get. rest will be taken care of |
| 17:50.14 | cookoo | anyone have any luck getting booting from flash drive? |
| 17:50.16 | Piet | IamEthos: surely the url should go to the end |
| 17:50.20 | Jens9 | it just says/usr/X11R6/bin/startx |
| 17:50.33 | jetscreamer | Jens9: ok that means the file is there.. it was just an ls |
| 17:50.36 | wols | cookoo: use syslinux. and your BIOS needs to suppirt it. outside of scope of #debian |
| 17:50.43 | IamEthos | Piet, just tried that with the format you posted above, no luck |
| 17:50.45 | jetscreamer | err it's a symlink it seems |
| 17:51.06 | jetscreamer | so that would be sarge and probably XFree86 i guess Jens9 ? |
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| 17:51.13 | Jens9 | Yup |
| 17:51.15 | Piet | IamEthos: if it won't work out this way for you, check if you can download lynx to your laptop and move it over to the other box locally through LAN or removable media |
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| 17:51.35 | GV|V4mpire | so noone can help me ? |
| 17:51.36 | Piet | IamEthos: i didn't post the command above |
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| 17:51.43 | jetscreamer | Jens9: is this a server or a workstation/desktop? what i mean is, is there any special reason you want to stick with sarge? |
| 17:51.50 | xand | wols: no, just no |
| 17:51.51 | mischko | How to uninstall a source package using apt. I can't figure it out. |
| 17:51.54 | maraya | wols: say, if I "apt-get firefox" does it install all dependent X-libraries and firefox for me ? |
| 17:52.01 | wols | maraya: yes |
| 17:52.02 | wols | xand: ? |
| 17:52.06 | xand | cookoo: yes... I just installed debian onto mine as if it were a laptop |
| 17:52.08 | Jens9 | it's a desktop |
| 17:52.10 | maraya | sweet ! |
| 17:52.12 | xand | 2007-03-17 17:50:38 < wols> cookoo: use syslinux. and your BIOS needs to suppirt it. outside of scope of #debian |
| 17:52.20 | xand | erm |
| 17:52.27 | xand | cookoo: sorry, harddisk not laptop >.< |
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| 17:52.38 | Jens9 | a friend adviced me. it worked earlyer the day but I had to boot install bc i messed up with chmod |
| 17:52.40 | xand | and it Just Works (TM) |
| 17:52.42 | cookoo | its murdering me |
| 17:52.44 | wols | cookoo: unless your BIOS can boot from usb, you are SOL, period |
| 17:52.45 | maraya | thanks, i'll give a try |
| 17:52.56 | xand | most BIOSes can boot USB these days |
| 17:52.57 | IamEthos | Piet, my mistake |
| 17:53.11 | cookoo | i got bios support it just hangs at verifying dmi pool data |
| 17:53.11 | Piet | GV|V4mpire: can you repeat your question? |
| 17:53.16 | IamEthos | okay, I'm getting something different by entering the string with no quotes |
| 17:53.16 | Jens9 | jetscreamer: advising something else? |
| 17:53.16 | wols | xand: how do you know what hardware he has? |
| 17:53.21 | IamEthos | but then it says missing url |
| 17:53.24 | jetscreamer | Jens9: if i was you, and it's me not you, i would go etch. but on the other note... it's not finding startx, i don't know why... probably some path thing. |
| 17:53.24 | xand | wols: how do you know? |
| 17:53.39 | xand | wols: you assumed it doesn't work and told him to piss off without chekcing first |
| 17:53.41 | Kevin` | i've gooten usb boot to linux to work |
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| 17:53.49 | wols | xand: I don't. which is why I told him tha his bios must support it. and DMI data verification is very much a BIOS thing again btw |
| 17:53.56 | jetscreamer | Jens9: what happens if you just type /usr/bin/startx |
| 17:54.03 | jetscreamer | as $USER |
| 17:54.07 | xand | wols: no, before that you told him it was offtopic here |
| 17:54.17 | xand | anyway, nm |
| 17:54.22 | cookoo | im always told im off topic here |
| 17:54.24 | wols | no, I told him that BIOS stuff is outside of the scope of #debian |
| 17:54.27 | Jens9 | line 131 132 131 132 140 143 not found |
| 17:54.32 | Jens9 | so theres a part missing |
| 17:54.43 | wols | and yes, syslinux does work |
| 17:54.51 | xand | no you didn't |
| 17:54.52 | jetscreamer | Jens9: did you ever apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:55.01 | Kevin` | anyone here gotten linux working on 4mb ram? |
| 17:55.04 | jetscreamer | see also apt-get -f install |
| 17:55.05 | dc3aes | having a deb speciic issue, cgi-bin is throwing permission denied, in httpd config its aliased to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ and i have set the owner/group of that folder to everything from root, wwwdata, to nobody.. examples on the net say apache.apache but that user/group does not exist.. am i missing something obvious? |
| 17:55.10 | space_ninja | oh god, why are there like thousands of different sources.lists |
| 17:55.22 | space_ninja | I don't know which ones I should have |
| 17:55.22 | jetscreamer | !tell space_ninja -about apt-spy |
| 17:55.25 | wols | Kevin`: not current debian. last time I did this was with a 2.0 kernel. and it sucked |
| 17:55.27 | xand | Kevin`: that's probably not possible |
| 17:55.30 | mischko | How to uninstall a source package using apt. I can't figure it out. |
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| 17:55.33 | wols | xand: it is possible |
| 17:55.34 | xand | (With current kernels) |
| 17:55.46 | Kevin` | I have 2.3.20.3 booting but problems after that |
| 17:55.50 | wols | mischko: meaningless. not needed |
| 17:55.53 | hark | Jens9: but wasn't it working before? |
| 17:55.57 | Jens9 | yeah |
| 17:55.59 | wols | Kevin`: 2.3.20? |
| 17:56.00 | Jens9 | Ok upgraded |
| 17:56.03 | Kevin` | erm |
| 17:56.03 | Jens9 | brb dinner |
| 17:56.05 | Kevin` | 2.6.20 |
| 17:56.17 | dc3aes | Kevin`: focus your efforts on embedded kernels, what is the target platform? |
| 17:56.19 | space_ninja | ah, I'm just going to add contrib non-free to everything |
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| 17:56.24 | mischko | wols I want it off my system. Isn't there a way to uninstall a source package? |
| 17:56.25 | Kevin` | dc3aes PC |
| 17:56.29 | wols | mischko: rm |
| 17:56.33 | xand | Kevin`: bin the machine |
| 17:56.37 | Kevin` | lol |
| 17:56.40 | jetscreamer | space_ninja: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list for examples |
| 17:56.41 | dc3aes | Kevin`: add more ram? :P |
| 17:56.47 | xuubuu | Hello #debian |
| 17:56.48 | hark | mischko: just rm the folder.. |
| 17:56.59 | wols | Kevin`: I hope you didn't use stuff like initrd? |
| 17:57.04 | mischko | Ok. |
| 17:57.21 | wols | Kevin`: or udev, etc? |
| 17:57.37 | mischko | hark, where's the folder live? |
| 17:57.45 | wols | mischko: pwd |
| 17:57.53 | jetscreamer | /usr/local/something maybe? |
| 17:57.56 | Kevin` | ran out of memory trying to load init or other early programs far as I could tell |
| 17:58.00 | wols | jetscreamer: no |
| 17:58.13 | wols | Kevin`: init=/bin/sh |
| 17:58.18 | Kevin` | trying that now |
| 17:58.23 | wols | Kevin`: or maybe even better busybox |
| 17:58.35 | hark | mischko: wait.. this is apt-get source <package> we're talking about, right? |
| 17:58.45 | mischko | hark yet. It was in my current dir. |
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| 17:59.07 | hark | yeah, so you never installed it. it just gets the source for you :) |
| 17:59.10 | wols | mischko: there might be .tgz, .dsc and a patch file too |
| 17:59.13 | mischko | I need to install the dev version of a package. I.e. I need to compile apsw which requires sqlite3.h |
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| 17:59.24 | LazyAngel | what file should i change to make the system start fluxbox instead of xfce? |
| 17:59.33 | mischko | apsw is not available as a package. |
| 17:59.34 | hark | !find sqlite3.h etch |
| 17:59.37 | Kevin` | "freeing unused kernel memory: 112k freed" |
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| 17:59.43 | wols | LazyAngel: ~/.xinitrc for example |
| 17:59.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sqlite3.h' (5 of 6): (/usr/include/sqlite3.h) in libdevel/libsqlite3-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/cl-sql/html/sqlite3.html) in devel/cl-sql ;; (/usr/include/iceape/sqlite3/sqlite3.h) in devel/iceape-dev ;; (/usr/share/bibledit/default/install_sqlite3.html) in gnome/bibledit ;; (/usr/share/doc/python2.5/html/lib/module-sqlite3.html) in contrib/doc/python2.5-doc. |
| 17:59.47 | Kevin` | now a bunch of network activity, presumably loading from nfs |
| 18:00.06 | LazyAngel | wols: what if that doesnt exists? |
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| 18:00.14 | hark | mischko: ^ just install the -dev package for that.. no need to get the source |
| 18:00.14 | wols | create it |
| 18:00.27 | mischko | hark. Thanks . |
| 18:00.45 | LazyAngel | wols: no luck. since this is an xebian installation (on my xbox) i guess they use some weird hack :( |
| 18:00.52 | Kevin` | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 662K 2006-12-11 15:20 bash |
| 18:01.00 | Kevin` | heh, shell is almost as big as the kernel image |
| 18:01.10 | wols | LazyAngel: all versions of Xorg and Xfree honor that file.heck all unices do |
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| 18:02.01 | Kevin` | hmm plus the libraries it uses |
| 18:02.09 | mischko | Unmet deps: libsqlite3-dev: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.2.1-1) but 3.3.5-0.2+b1 is to be installed |
| 18:02.14 | wols | Kevin`: busybox |
| 18:02.20 | Kevin` | ya i'm thinking so |
| 18:02.26 | LazyAngel | wols: it is a live user that logs in automaticly. and even if i try to start fluxbox from that file it still starts xfce :( |
| 18:02.33 | Kevin` | might go back to a 2.4 kernel too, I assume it will use less memory? |
| 18:02.35 | mischko | I want to install 3.3.5... |
| 18:02.56 | wols | LazyAngel: it does not matter. debian always works with .xinitrc. if it doesn't work, you don't run debian, period |
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| 18:03.03 | wols | LazyAngel: in which case we can't help you |
| 18:03.19 | wols | Kevin`: kernel 2.0 imho would be best |
| 18:03.29 | Jens9 | ok am back jet |
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| 18:04.06 | LazyAngel | wols: ok. thanks anyway. but do you know how i can reinstall fluxbox and overwrite config files at the same time? |
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| 18:04.14 | LazyAngel | wols: e.g the files in /etc |
| 18:04.27 | wols | what files does fluxbox put in /etc? |
| 18:04.43 | LazyAngel | wols: dunno |
| 18:05.03 | space_ninja | can the person who sended a link on examples of the sources.list file send it again? |
| 18:05.36 | space_ninja | please |
| 18:05.36 | LazyAngel | wols: xfce must have overwritten some config so that starts instead of fluxbox. so i thought that if i reinstall fluxbox, that might do another overwrite |
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| 18:05.44 | space_ninja | my computer got stuck |
| 18:05.53 | wols | LazyAngel: you want dpkg-reconfigure instead |
| 18:05.56 | Kevin` | space_ninja for sarge or etch? |
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| 18:06.30 | hengst | hello, would anybody be interested to write news or articles on Debian Linux on my open-source language? |
| 18:06.41 | space_ninja | etch |
| 18:06.51 | space_ninja | kevin` etch |
| 18:06.52 | Red_Cloud | I am installing a dual boot system with debian. It is solaris. If I lock myself out of my debian linux and need to reactivate my linux grub on the mbr, what commands do I need to issue to get this accomplished? |
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| 18:06.58 | mischko | fixed. Yeah! |
| 18:06.58 | nivanson | hengst: Whoah, did you create a new language? |
| 18:07.04 | LazyAngel | wols: yupp. thats it. thanks |
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| 18:07.09 | wols | hengst: I can really see how you need articles written by others... |
| 18:07.28 | Kevin` | space_ninja : |
| 18:07.32 | Kevin` | deb http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ etch main |
| 18:07.32 | Kevin` | deb-src http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ etch main |
| 18:07.32 | Kevin` | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 18:08.01 | wols | Kevin`: ftp.us.debian.org |
| 18:08.08 | hengst | It is a open source promotion website. |
| 18:08.33 | Kevin` | wols that doesn't have all arch's, and sometimes doesn't work for me |
| 18:08.38 | hengst | nivansion: no |
| 18:08.47 | hengst | wols: yes |
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| 18:09.18 | concept10 | open source promotion website? That's a great idea! |
| 18:09.40 | hengst | concept10: thank you ! |
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| 18:10.01 | space_ninja | which package should I get if I want X? |
| 18:10.12 | cookoo | da da da da da |
| 18:10.12 | wols | space_ninja: x-window-system-core |
| 18:10.23 | space_ninja | there are stuff that I don't get when I install that wols, like xterm |
| 18:10.31 | hengst | concept10: I can right all the articles myself, but it be more fun having more people to write. |
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| 18:10.37 | wols | space_ninja: cause it's not x-windows, but a X client |
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| 18:10.51 | concept10 | hengst, no thanks, not for me. |
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| 18:11.24 | wols | hengst: visit a course or something first. you need one, trust me |
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| 18:11.54 | hengst | concept10: No problem, but thanks though. Ever need any info or help just click www.bizz2web.com |
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| 18:12.36 | nivanson | space_ninja: If you are on etch you can install xorg and get all you will use of it. It depends on the virtual package x-terminal-emulator or something like that, therefore you can make it install any replacement for xterm instead. (using aptitude) |
| 18:12.44 | concept10 | hengst, will that spam my Debian? |
| 18:12.56 | hengst | wols: I am a Senior Engineer having 15.000 people working on MY network, don't push it! |
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| 18:12.57 | stoned | concept10 hi |
| 18:13.07 | wols | !moron hengst |
| 18:13.08 | dpkg | hengst: You are moron #95 |
| 18:13.21 | wols | now you're senior moron |
| 18:13.23 | space_ninja | Ok while you guys are being so helpful, I would like to ask something about the package art-fontwiz in fluxbox, why isn't it available? |
| 18:13.33 | cookoo | hey stoned |
| 18:13.33 | stoned | concept10 i'll be driving through dallas on wed. :) |
| 18:13.34 | roxy_ | need some hengst management |
| 18:13.43 | concept10 | stoned, how has it been? |
| 18:14.03 | stoned | concept10 its ok. I'm in conroe right now, all my friends are in houston heh, im stuck at home babysitting |
| 18:14.05 | stoned | it sucks |
| 18:14.08 | space_ninja | font-artwiz |
| 18:14.20 | concept10 | stoned, conroe, tx? |
| 18:14.21 | stoned | spider monkeys are cool |
| 18:14.23 | hark | !info xfonts-artwiz |
| 18:14.26 | stoned | concept10 yessir |
| 18:14.33 | dpkg | xfonts-artwiz: (x11 fonts created by Artwiz, TigerT, and Daniel Erat), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 436 kB |
| 18:14.34 | space_ninja | !info font-artwiz |
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| 18:14.47 | wols | !info xfonts-artwiz etch |
| 18:15.03 | wols | space_ninja: it is in sid btw |
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| 18:15.15 | space_ninja | maybe I should get sid instead |
| 18:15.16 | concept10 | stoned, do you know what im talking about (the monkey) im talking about that little guy that sits by Jabba the Hutt and laughs at stuff, he's hilarious to me |
| 18:15.18 | hengst | I can now see why so many Linux users hate Debian, it is not the software but the people. |
| 18:15.42 | space_ninja | lol |
| 18:15.44 | concept10 | hengst, its not the people, you just have to get used to it |
| 18:15.53 | wols | !tell space_ninja about why is xfonts-artwiz not in testing |
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| 18:16.00 | wols | space_ninja: no you don't |
| 18:16.07 | hark | hengst: it's you! |
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| 18:16.32 | msn | i have a debian etch running with mdadm, due to power failures continuously i am getting (initramfs) prompt when it boots |
| 18:16.34 | concept10 | I personally think people hate debian because of the boot process |
| 18:16.44 | msn | any directions on how to handle this |
| 18:16.49 | hengst | hark: i just have to get used to it I just heard. |
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| 18:16.57 | stoned | concept10 I like to look at the Damnsmalllinux boot up |
| 18:17.01 | stoned | its nice and colorful |
| 18:17.05 | stoned | plus it has a penguin on it |
| 18:17.13 | xand | blimey, over 1000 people |
| 18:17.17 | space_ninja | wols, do you know any other font that might look like artwiz? |
| 18:17.18 | nivanson | space_ninja: Stay on Etch. Consider reading this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xfonts-artwiz;dist=unstable you will notice that package you want is REALLY unmaintained. You can still install it though, read about apt pinning here http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html or just dowload the package and install it with dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 18:17.35 | concept10 | xand, get ready to be smothered in noob love |
| 18:17.36 | SeanTater | If i want to change a few lines of code in a debian package and compile it with the new code, what pages should I read/what should I do? |
| 18:17.44 | hark | same goes for the artwiz cursor fonts... |
| 18:17.46 | xand | yay love |
| 18:17.55 | stoned | concept10 heh, noobs helping noobs, there's a recepie for disaster |
| 18:17.59 | stoned | ;) |
| 18:18.03 | wols | xand: just tell them not to come here with their problems :) |
| 18:18.20 | wols | stoned: you just described #debian :P |
| 18:18.27 | concept10 | stoned, that channel is crap |
| 18:18.43 | hengst | I see, I came in at newbie level, now I understand, sorry guys. Val dood. |
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| 18:18.59 | wols | SeanTater: apt-gte the source, do your edits and use dpkg-buildpackage on it |
| 18:19.00 | xand | wols: shall i ask for debian help there? :P |
| 18:19.21 | hark | build-dep it too |
| 18:19.22 | stoned | wols nah, I described #ubuntu |
| 18:19.24 | stoned | :) |
| 18:19.42 | wols | stoned: you described irc, and doN't you deny it |
| 18:19.44 | space_ninja | nivanson, does dpkg -i handles tar.gz files+ |
| 18:19.52 | wols | space_ninja: no |
| 18:19.57 | stoned | ok ok |
| 18:19.58 | stoned | I give |
| 18:19.59 | nivanson | space_ninja: why do you need it to do that? |
| 18:20.01 | wols | tar does thos, but you shouldn't |
| 18:20.13 | space_ninja | for the artwiz package |
| 18:20.18 | nivanson | space_ninja: a tar.gz can be anything lol |
| 18:20.27 | concept10 | actually all IRC channel sucks. I usually ask a question, get pissed and clamp down and figure it out myself |
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| 18:20.47 | wols | space_ninja: install it with dpkg -i as nivanson said. should work even in etch, tho it has critical bugs. see bdp |
| 18:20.56 | wols | *bdp |
| 18:20.57 | wols | *bdo |
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| 18:21.19 | nivanson | space_ninja: No, just download it from Sid/Unstable http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fx%2Fxfonts-artwiz%2Fxfonts-artwiz_1.3-5_all.deb&md5sum=306bc5ade8ba937664f96682cd2ec7ec&arch=all&type=main |
| 18:21.25 | Jens7 | Can you get sudo by apt-get? |
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| 18:21.33 | hark | yes |
| 18:21.34 | concept10 | stoned, i know a girl from conroe |
| 18:21.37 | wols | Jens7: of course |
| 18:21.44 | Jens7 | Thx, |
| 18:21.52 | nivanson | space_ninja: The link is found browsing the lower rows at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xfonts-artwiz |
| 18:21.54 | wols | stoned: can you get me a hawt cpu? |
| 18:21.54 | Pc_Dark | How would I get my sound buttons to work |
| 18:21.54 | kalve | you could even install windows vista from apt-get |
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| 18:22.03 | Jens7 | brb gonna try out |
| 18:22.07 | Pc_Dark | on my laptop, it has sound+ sound- play/pause, fastforward, stop |
| 18:22.24 | wols | !tell Pc_Dark about laptop |
| 18:22.30 | stoned | hmm |
| 18:22.32 | stoned | maybe keytouch |
| 18:22.35 | stoned | !keytouch |
| 18:22.35 | dpkg | well, keytouch is a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 18:22.40 | stoned | it is packed in deb too |
| 18:22.44 | stoned | !info keytouch sid |
| 18:22.48 | Pc_Dark | I have laptop installed |
| 18:22.50 | space_ninja | ninansion thanks |
| 18:22.51 | dpkg | keytouch: (A program to configure the extra function keys of multimedia keyboards), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.2.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 417 kB, Installed size: 1848 kB |
| 18:22.51 | ManuP | Pc_Dark, what about xbindkeys |
| 18:22.53 | stoned | you might have to backport it for etch |
| 18:22.56 | wols | stoned: depends on the laptop. e.g. my toshiba has a special program for its keys |
| 18:23.01 | ManuP | Pc_Dark, it is very easy to use |
| 18:23.12 | Pc_Dark | xbindkeys is setup |
| 18:23.13 | concept10 | isnt that support in the kernel (or module) these days? |
| 18:23.15 | Pc_Dark | i apt-gett'd it |
| 18:23.25 | stoned | well afaik with keytouch you can customize all those keys for whichever apps you like |
| 18:23.32 | concept10 | also, most of these apps today use mmkeys |
| 18:23.37 | stoned | my lappy has extra keys, i just use this program |
| 18:23.58 | msn | I am trying to ssh into a system and I am getting "Permission denied (publickey, eyboard interactiv)" even before i try something else |
| 18:24.04 | stoned | cuztomize the keys to which ever app I want, basically with keytouch plugin libs and custom commands etc. |
| 18:24.12 | Pc_Dark | im installing keytouch |
| 18:24.16 | Pc_Dark | its installed |
| 18:24.18 | Pc_Dark | what do I do |
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| 18:24.24 | wols | msn: looks like it doesn't allow keyboard auth with passwords |
| 18:24.29 | concept10 | Pc_Dark, read the readme |
| 18:24.37 | space_ninja | Is everyone moving from firefox to iceweasel? |
| 18:24.38 | wols | Pc_Dark: you read the docs for it |
| 18:24.55 | wols | space_ninja: considering there is no firefox in debian anymore... |
| 18:24.58 | nivanson | space_ninja: yeah debian people are :) |
| 18:24.59 | Pc_Dark | ok, i have to find my keyboard model... |
| 18:25.14 | Pc_Dark | it doesn't have inspiron 9300 |
| 18:25.17 | Pc_Dark | as a choice |
| 18:25.17 | space_ninja | ok |
| 18:25.30 | concept10 | Im taking sandpaper to the letters on my keys today |
| 18:25.58 | Pc_Dark | it doesn't have inspiron 9300 as a choice |
| 18:26.06 | stoned | they coulda chosen a better name than iceweasel |
| 18:26.10 | Pc_Dark | stoned |
| 18:26.16 | stoned | fox/weasel, I'm not sure if that is the correct umm |
| 18:26.17 | Pc_Dark | for keyboard choice, it doesn't show my model |
| 18:26.18 | stoned | contrast? |
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| 18:26.33 | stoned | Pc_Dark, it doesn't have to, you can configure your keys just the way you want |
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| 18:26.35 | space_ninja | what happend with firefox then wols nivansion? Did it go commersial? |
| 18:26.49 | wols | !iceweasel |
| 18:26.49 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 18:26.54 | ManuP | Pc_Dark, use xbindkeys. very easy in use. |
| 18:27.10 | Pc_Dark | keytouch seems easy to use, manuP |
| 18:27.12 | stoned | Pc_Dark, you can make your start/stop buttons start a webbrowser if you want.. or if you want, use something other than keytouch, but i only know of keytouch, sorry |
| 18:27.31 | ManuP | !why iceweasel |
| 18:27.31 | dpkg | why iceweasel is, like, debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
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| 18:28.16 | space_ninja | !terminal |
| 18:28.22 | space_ninja | !info terminals |
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| 18:28.33 | nivanson | space_ninja: whisper the bot instead. his name is dpkg |
| 18:29.10 | wols | !tell space_ninja about msg the bot |
| 18:29.19 | Jens0 | hmm i tried sudo ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin but it still wont start x :s |
| 18:29.21 | wols | space_ninja: and I made dpkg tell you that beofre |
| 18:29.28 | space_ninja | I know :p |
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| 18:29.57 | wols | Jens0: why do you use that gazillion different nicks? |
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| 18:30.02 | space_ninja | but I need a slim and transparent terminal that I can remove the borders and menus with |
| 18:30.14 | wols | space_ninja: mrxvt perhaps |
| 18:30.17 | Jens0 | I don't, it's atomatic wols |
| 18:30.36 | wols | Jens0: the question is: why do you constantly leave and join again? |
| 18:30.54 | itchi | Jens0: btw, there's #debian-nl, maybe are you interesting |
| 18:30.55 | Jens0 | Bc I only have one cable for 2 pc's >.< ! |
| 18:30.55 | wols | cause that's certainly not necessary |
| 18:31.11 | Jens0 | oh good that's my motherlanguage |
| 18:31.11 | wols | Jens0: do both PCs have internet access? |
| 18:31.18 | Jens0 | Nops |
| 18:31.20 | stoned | http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm <-- Official ninja page. There is nothing about space ninjas there though |
| 18:31.31 | stoned | bbl |
| 18:31.37 | wols | if one hasn't why do you need to use the ethernet cable with it? |
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| 18:31.43 | space_ninja | wols ok thanks, I'll try that |
| 18:32.03 | Jens0 | a laptop and a desktop |
| 18:32.28 | wols | Jens0: doesn't answer my question |
| 18:33.06 | itchi | Jens0: Just join it too, it's kinda slow there. But it does not matter, you can join #debian and #debian-nl |
| 18:33.18 | Jens0 | well.. In the back of my laptop there is this hole, the cable goes in there and i also need it in USB adatper, now the cant be at 2 placec |
| 18:33.35 | Jens0 | ok thx |
| 18:33.57 | itchi | kuh, now is he gone :-s |
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| 18:34.27 | jetscreamer | space_ninja: what's wrong with xterm |
| 18:34.49 | CAiRO | how can i get wget to mirror a domain and all subdomains of it? |
| 18:34.58 | jetscreamer | CAiRO: -m |
| 18:35.01 | jetscreamer | man wget |
| 18:35.05 | itchi | CAiRO: rsync?? |
| 18:35.40 | CAiRO | jetscreamer: yeah, but the normal recursion will only mirror stuff on the domain you specify as argument but not from the subdomains |
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| 18:35.45 | jetscreamer | course i dunno about subs |
| 18:35.55 | itchi | me too :-p |
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| 18:36.28 | concept10 | i need to learn how rsync works |
| 18:36.33 | CAiRO | jetscreamer: yeah, course :P |
| 18:36.37 | itchi | concept10: Kinda easy |
| 18:36.40 | jetscreamer | if you know the subs you could script it |
| 18:36.58 | CAiRO | no, i don't know them |
| 18:37.03 | Pc_Dark | anyone here use XMMS |
| 18:37.07 | itchi | concept10: Take also a look to the 'server' |
| 18:37.11 | CAiRO | sometimes the domain name is a redirect and then wget stops mirroring |
| 18:37.19 | jetscreamer | if you dont maybe you could get a spider to crawl it or something then pass the subs as params to your script |
| 18:37.25 | space_ninja | jetscreamer, I don't have it |
| 18:37.33 | drummer_wilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.46 | wols | drummer_wilson: learn to ask proper questions |
| 18:38.00 | wols | !tell drummer_wilson about anyone |
| 18:38.08 | stevepastelan | jetscreamer: I know that it doesn't work under sarge |
| 18:38.47 | itchi | drummer_wilson: Just build the module with module-assistant |
| 18:38.47 | stevepastelan | jetscreamer: because fuse doesn't exist under sarge |
| 18:38.47 | space_ninja | jetscreamer, I can remove all the borders and menus and stuff and get it totally transparent with a background and colors and stuff? |
| 18:38.48 | jetscreamer | stevepastelan: what doesn't |
| 18:38.48 | space_ninja | with xterm? |
| 18:38.48 | stevepastelan | errr |
| 18:38.48 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:38.48 | wols | space_ninja: just don't run a WM |
| 18:38.48 | stevepastelan | s/jetscreamer/drummer_wilson/g |
| 18:38.55 | space_ninja | wols, why not? :) |
| 18:38.55 | concept10 | itchi, i have this app called Grync, havent gotten around to using it |
| 18:39.04 | space_ninja | I want it on the window manager, it's cool |
| 18:39.09 | itchi | concept10: I dunno about the GUI version :-) |
| 18:39.19 | wols | space_ninja: cause then you don't have any window borders |
| 18:39.28 | itchi | concept10: I guess it's the Gnome GUI rsync tool |
| 18:39.46 | CAiRO | space_ninja: with sawfish its easy to remove window borders etc |
| 18:40.21 | CAiRO | and aterm or xterm don't have menus |
| 18:40.46 | space_ninja | ok |
| 18:40.53 | space_ninja | oh god no |
| 18:41.16 | itchi | drummer_wilson: Take a look to the module-assistant and then make a mount point somewere; then do somethings like that: shfsmount --options=uid=david,gid=david, david@192.168.0.3 /mnt/shfs/ ; done |
| 18:41.46 | space_ninja | the X auto configurations attempt to configure my screen is not working, it freezes my computer so that I have to reboot |
| 18:42.01 | itchi | drummer_wilson: Only on the client, where you want to mount a remote fs |
| 18:42.54 | space_ninja | has anyone got the fglrx one line to work? |
| 18:43.00 | space_ninja | one-liner |
| 18:43.15 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 18:43.35 | HardDisk_WP | do there any GUI programs for debian exist which can recover me scratched CDs to a ISO? |
| 18:44.26 | itchi | space_ninja: Just make use of module-assistant. Build the fglrx module, t'check your Xorg config; reboot |
| 18:44.39 | itchi | space_ninja: You need to reboot :-s |
| 18:44.41 | keram | i'm getting an error that says NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 18:45.25 | wols | HardDisk_WP: there are ways to create ISOS from CD. if it'S scratchzed, it wholly depends on the error correction of your drive |
| 18:45.33 | itchi | keram: See /msg dpkg A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 18:46.05 | space_ninja | how do I build fglrx module? |
| 18:46.14 | solar_sea | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.14 | space_ninja | modprobe? |
| 18:46.17 | jetscreamer | space_ninja: try http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh |
| 18:46.19 | itchi | space_ninja: As root user: module-assistant |
| 18:46.25 | jetscreamer | it's called iceweasel |
| 18:46.28 | jetscreamer | weird eh |
| 18:46.38 | itchi | space_ninja: Use the module-assistant! |
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| 18:46.46 | HardDisk_WP | wols, it seems to be f*cking good...the thing is REALLY scratched and dd didnt report a error... |
| 18:46.59 | jetscreamer | try itchi's way first |
| 18:47.08 | Pc_Dark | what's a good plays-all-music-types media player |
| 18:47.16 | Pc_Dark | I kind of ruined the noatun |
| 18:47.19 | itchi | jetscreamer: Nah, the Debian(tm) :-p :-) |
| 18:47.20 | solar_sea | Package iceweasel is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:47.20 | Pc_Dark | it's not working anymore -_- |
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| 18:47.25 | solar_sea | that's why I was asking .. |
| 18:47.35 | itchi | solar_sea: Sarge? |
| 18:47.37 | humbolto | I want to render an image onto a video with a script. How would you guys do that? |
| 18:47.38 | solar_sea | yep |
| 18:47.43 | Pc_Dark | !tell solar_sea about search |
| 18:47.44 | jetscreamer | solar_sea: sar.. what he said. not there. |
| 18:47.49 | itchi | solar_sea: Forget about iceweasel then, it's not yet there |
| 18:47.50 | jetscreamer | not in sarge |
| 18:47.56 | jetscreamer | or ever |
| 18:48.08 | HardDisk_WP | jetscreamer, iceweasel is in etch |
| 18:48.08 | jetscreamer | you 'could' d/l a backport maybe |
| 18:48.14 | itchi | solar_sea: His name have changed in Etch |
| 18:48.15 | Pc_Dark | solar_sea: Just get etch -_- |
| 18:48.17 | jetscreamer | yes i know |
| 18:48.19 | Pc_Dark | or, better yet |
| 18:48.22 | solar_sea | I see, okey okey |
| 18:48.23 | Pc_Dark | install directly from mozilla.com |
| 18:48.34 | jetscreamer | that's firefox not iceweasel |
| 18:48.36 | itchi | Nah, not recomend Etch, so quick ;-) |
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| 18:48.43 | Pc_Dark | yeah, firefox is the best though |
| 18:48.49 | jetscreamer | etch is where it's at |
| 18:49.01 | Pc_Dark | what's a really good media player for KDE |
| 18:49.06 | jetscreamer | sarge is really like a waste of time lately |
| 18:49.08 | Pc_Dark | naotun broke on me -_- |
| 18:49.12 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 18:49.16 | xand | mplayer |
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| 18:49.18 | xand | vlc |
| 18:49.22 | Pc_Dark | How? it's saying the arts sound system sucks |
| 18:49.23 | Pc_Dark | vlc? |
| 18:49.32 | xand | Pc_Dark: are you a police officer? |
| 18:49.33 | jetscreamer | xmms |
| 18:49.38 | xand | not xmms |
| 18:49.46 | Pc_Dark | no |
| 18:49.49 | Eclipser | what are you looking for? |
| 18:49.50 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:49.51 | Pc_Dark | XMMS sucks |
| 18:49.51 | wols | well arts (and esd) DO suck |
| 18:49.54 | jetscreamer | lies |
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| 18:50.01 | itchi | There are some disadvantages about running the 'testing' branch. The importantest one; it's updated so frequently == reconfig some stuff every time you get a update |
| 18:50.01 | xand | xmms is oooool |
| 18:50.03 | xand | d |
| 18:50.19 | Red_Cloud | newbie, here! I am needing to create a bootable cd with an iso. I am using xcdroast. under the option to make the cd bootable it asks for a Boot image. Help? |
| 18:50.23 | jetscreamer | etch is frozen isn't it? |
| 18:50.24 | Pc_Dark | installing vlc |
| 18:50.26 | Pc_Dark | with adept |
| 18:50.29 | Eclipser | if you want a music player then I recommend xmms2 :) |
| 18:50.35 | space_ninja | ah |
| 18:50.37 | space_ninja | ! |
| 18:50.57 | Pc_Dark | I also need to get the java plugin for firefox -_- |
| 18:51.01 | xand | for music i recommend mpd |
| 18:51.07 | xand | for videos, vlc or mplayer |
| 18:51.19 | Pc_Dark | ill see if vlc can run WMA |
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| 18:51.19 | Eclipser | mplayer for video, xmms2 for music :) |
| 18:51.22 | Pc_Dark | if it can, then I'm happy |
| 18:51.25 | itchi | jetscreamer: Yes, but, there's still updates |
| 18:51.39 | itchi | jetscreamer: It depend of the stuff he is running on hist box |
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| 18:51.54 | Jens2 | bah debian-nl doesn't seem to excist |
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| 18:52.03 | itchi | Jens2: How so? |
| 18:52.07 | jetscreamer | !nl |
| 18:52.07 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 18:52.10 | itchi | Jens2: I give support on it right now |
| 18:52.20 | ManuP | which program would you use to create some business cards? |
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| 18:52.33 | Pc_Dark | VLC installed time to test |
| 18:52.37 | space_ninja | I'm trying jetscreamers shell script |
| 18:52.59 | wols | ManuP: openoffice? |
| 18:53.10 | delmar | I'm having a hard time getting RT (request tracker) working due to the virtual mail environment. I have found what might be the solution to make Postfix do the right thing, however I'm not sure how to apply the solution. Is there anyone here good with Postfix and willing to help ? |
| 18:53.10 | itchi | space_ninja: Weird guy! |
| 18:53.17 | itchi | space_ninja: Follow the Debian way! |
| 18:53.32 | space_ninja | the debian way is all module and stuff |
| 18:53.34 | ManuP | wols, it is for printing. business card = visit card.. do you know what i mean? |
| 18:53.34 | itchi | space_ninja: What's diffiult with module-assistant?? It's a YUI |
| 18:53.38 | itchi | oeps, TUI |
| 18:53.39 | wols | delmar: aways start with your real question |
| 18:53.45 | space_ninja | it's not working |
| 18:53.45 | wols | ManuP: I do |
| 18:53.53 | space_ninja | my x doesnt work |
| 18:53.57 | wols | delmar: all questions with "anyone" are bad questions |
| 18:53.59 | space_ninja | it freezes when I star it |
| 18:54.01 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 18:54.01 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:54.10 | space_ninja | := |
| 18:54.10 | wols | !tell dpkg about drxx |
| 18:54.15 | delmar | wols, :) |
| 18:54.24 | Pc_Dark | Wow |
| 18:54.27 | Pc_Dark | VLC plays great |
| 18:54.36 | jetscreamer | space_ninja: if that script doesn't work, comment out lines 20 21 & 22 |
| 18:54.40 | Pc_Dark | It's not blowing my speakers -_- |
| 18:54.59 | jetscreamer | if that script refuses to run rather |
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| 18:55.15 | ManuP | wols, you would use openoffice to create it?! OOo Draw or what? |
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| 18:56.09 | wols | !tell a businesscard has text. not graphics |
| 18:56.46 | wols | -!tell |
| 18:57.00 | ManuP | wols, but i mean a businesscard WITH graphic and text |
| 18:57.03 | jetscreamer | i wonder if you can use the templates from microsoft in openoffice |
| 18:57.10 | ManuP | !win ManuP |
| 18:57.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, ManuP! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 18:57.11 | jetscreamer | they have a shitload |
| 18:57.23 | wols | ManuP: last I checked a simple company logo is easy to use with OOo too... |
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| 18:57.49 | space_ninja | jetscreamer, I'm scared of that script.. I don't know what it does, and it seems like there is xdm and stuff, but I don't have that, I don't know how smart it is |
| 18:57.58 | ManuP | wols, i need 4colors... cmyk, you understand. |
| 18:58.09 | ManuP | gimp cant handle as far as i know... |
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| 18:58.45 | jetscreamer | space_ninja: it's very smart. it fucken rox. and anyway.... your shit is already broke :) but seriously... it 'just works'(tm) |
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| 18:58.52 | wols | ManuP: http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/separate.shtml |
| 18:59.00 | jetscreamer | if it will deign to run :) |
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| 18:59.12 | wols | ManuP: or use scribus |
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| 18:59.23 | HardDisk_WP | has anyone a program to restore corrupt .jpg files?! |
| 18:59.39 | jetscreamer | space_ninja: but don't do anything you aren't comfortable with |
| 18:59.47 | jetscreamer | be the man |
| 19:00.12 | jetscreamer | hey there's xara in non-free for graphics |
| 19:00.18 | jetscreamer | xara.org maybe |
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| 19:00.21 | wols | jetscreamer: it most probably/certainly will break your debian come update time, right? |
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| 19:01.07 | jetscreamer | wols: when xorg gets updated you have to reinstall the driver afaik... just like that otherEvil OS |
| 19:01.26 | wols | what other evil OS? |
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| 19:01.32 | ManuP | wols, is there an alternative to scribus (other then gimp... but plugin seems to be cool, thanks) |
| 19:01.36 | jetscreamer | !evilos |
| 19:01.39 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 19:01.41 | peteweez | If this isn't the right place to ask this, please direct me to the proper channel...I have an NTSC DVD ISO (no CSS or copy protection) and I need to turn it into a PAL DVD ISO...any good apps to do this? |
| 19:01.44 | wols | ManuP: don't know any |
| 19:01.51 | space_ninja | jetscreamer, running the script |
| 19:01.53 | wols | ManuP: I still don't get why you need cmyk |
| 19:01.55 | space_ninja | ... |
| 19:02.18 | space_ninja | its dowloading some x86_64 which i believe is wrong |
| 19:02.19 | jetscreamer | for the printer? as in print shop |
| 19:02.27 | wols | peteweez: not clue. look at doom9 or such a forum (even when they're mostly windows |
| 19:03.28 | peteweez | wols: oh yeah doom9...do they have a freenode channel? |
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| 19:03.56 | ManuP | wols, because it gets printed by a print shop. they want cmyk colors and that is okay. |
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| 19:07.32 | Lathi | i'm getting a kernel panic when i boot my tyan tiger mp 2460 dual athlon 2000+ with kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7-smp but not with kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 19:07.51 | Lathi | i don't really know how to debug this and i'd like some help |
| 19:08.07 | Lathi | the kernel panic happens during boot, it complains it can't find the root filesystem |
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| 19:08.52 | wols | what filesyste is your root fs? |
| 19:08.58 | wols | raid or such? |
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| 19:09.23 | peteweez | Are there any freenode channels dedicated to multimedia questions? |
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| 19:09.49 | Lathi | my root filesystem is ext3 (both ext3 and ext2 are compiled into the kernel) |
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| 19:10.03 | Lathi | i have a raid array, but it's not my root fs |
| 19:11.02 | itchi | Lathi: Compare the both kernel .config ?? |
| 19:11.05 | space_ninja | god why |
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| 19:12.35 | solar_sea | I'm having a problem getting my numpad working correct under X. with numlock on, it works (but no led), with numlock off it's completely dead. i'm using a mircosoft natural 4000 keyboard. any ideas ? |
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| 19:12.42 | itchi | Lathi: But i guess you have missing module |
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| 19:13.09 | Lathi | hmm, but this kernel image is installed from debian |
| 19:13.21 | space_ninja | hmm |
| 19:13.36 | itchi | solar_sea: I dunno; but there are some packages for the numlock thingy apt-cache search numlock |
| 19:13.40 | space_ninja | thinking about changing back to gentoo.... :) |
| 19:13.41 | stoned | solar_sea, yes. ms sucks. the keyboard also sucks. buy a 10$ regular 104 kb. or.. maybe there is an option in your bios to turn on numlock on boot maybe |
| 19:13.46 | Lathi | the non-smp-386 kernel image works, but the k7-smp kernel image doesn't |
| 19:13.55 | itchi | solar_sea: Especially the numlockx |
| 19:13.56 | mike1980 | !limewire |
| 19:13.57 | dpkg | i guess limewire is better known as lamewire - yet another braindead java p2p client. Not in debian. see http://www.limewire.com! GPL! |
| 19:14.20 | stoned | !info numlockx |
| 19:14.28 | dpkg | numlockx: (enable NumLock in X11 sessions), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 19:14.32 | itchi | stoned: Yeah, not yet useful for his case |
| 19:14.41 | stoned | numlockx isn't useful here? |
| 19:14.46 | itchi | i just have figure it out :-s |
| 19:14.48 | stoned | I fail to understand the problem fully then |
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| 19:15.06 | itchi | stoned: Nah, it just enable the numlock when you boot |
| 19:15.07 | dazjorz | what the hell? |
| 19:15.08 | dazjorz | [20:15] <dpkg> No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 19:15.20 | stoned | !frostwire |
| 19:15.29 | wols | Lathi: is the harddisk and your partitions recognized in dmesg? |
| 19:15.33 | stoned | hmm no factomundo |
| 19:15.38 | dazjorz | !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 19:15.47 | dazjorz | !!! |
| 19:15.47 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
| 19:15.50 | dazjorz | :) |
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| 19:16.08 | hark | !! |
| 19:16.08 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 19:16.16 | stoned | stop the bot abuse |
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| 19:16.31 | hark | !bad bot |
| 19:16.31 | scv | what bot? |
| 19:16.31 | dpkg | :( |
| 19:16.36 | mike1980 | !sun-java |
| 19:16.37 | Lathi | wols: it definitely is for the non-smp-386 kernel image, but i don't think it is for the k7-smp kernel image. it panics pretty quickly. i loose about a page of information before it does. so i can't be sure of what i'm missing |
| 19:16.43 | mike1980 | !sunjava |
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| 19:16.45 | stoned | mike1980, /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:16.57 | scv | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.57 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 19:16.57 | dpkg | [dpkgbot] Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 19:17.07 | mike1980 | Stoned: thanks |
| 19:17.10 | stoned | yw |
| 19:17.15 | itchi | btw /msg dpkg selftell |
| 19:17.18 | stoned | time for fries and burger |
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| 19:17.20 | stoned | :D |
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| 19:17.35 | scv | :S |
| 19:17.35 | itchi | stoned: hhhmm fries :-p |
| 19:17.38 | solar_sea | okey, it apparently works, but not in nethack :D |
| 19:17.46 | itchi | stoned: I'm from Belgium :-) |
| 19:18.28 | stoned | im aware bro |
| 19:18.29 | stoned | :) |
| 19:18.32 | scv | where is Belgium? |
| 19:18.43 | itchi | scv: Somewhere on the planet :-) |
| 19:18.46 | stoned | europe |
| 19:18.55 | scv | of course? |
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| 19:18.56 | eleftherios | my pc has gone crazy, I just finished setting up Debian Etch on it, I plug in the speakers and the music plays from the PC speaker!!! |
| 19:19.04 | itchi | Bah, it's to little to watch it from the sky haha |
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| 19:20.21 | scv | eleftherios: so? |
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| 19:21.16 | itchi | eleftherios: Is it nice music? |
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| 19:21.42 | eleftherios | itchi, very nice, downtempo jazz ballads from enja music in germany |
| 19:22.14 | itchi | eleftherios: So no problem then :-) |
| 19:22.37 | itchi | eleftherios: You have a sound card in the comp? |
| 19:22.42 | itchi | yeah |
| 19:22.49 | itchi | But not yet configured, i guess |
| 19:23.09 | eleftherios | well alsa mixer works, it adjusts pcm etc |
| 19:23.15 | eleftherios | I guess I need to configure the card... |
| 19:23.20 | itchi | eleftherios: yup |
| 19:23.22 | eleftherios | hm, how do I do that? |
| 19:23.26 | eleftherios | alsaconf |
| 19:23.30 | itchi | yup |
| 19:23.31 | scv | oh, I know what you wanna say |
| 19:23.48 | scv | it's crap! |
| 19:23.58 | itchi | scv: Give me a glas Pisang Ambon :-) |
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| 19:24.24 | eleftherios | let's see |
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| 19:25.17 | merlincorey | help! |
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| 19:25.26 | scv | what's up? |
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| 19:25.55 | merlincorey | my brand new laptop is stuck on vista, it sucks, I hate it; I love debian and I am trying to get it on here but |
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| 19:26.34 | scv | merlincorey: is there a "designed for vista" tag on it? |
| 19:26.39 | merlincorey | apparently I am not getting what I need; I have yesterday's etch netinst snapshot, which appears to have a 2.6.18 or so kernel on it |
| 19:26.46 | merlincorey | no |
| 19:26.50 | scv | O.o |
| 19:26.51 | merlincorey | the issue has to do with my wireless |
| 19:26.58 | scv | it couldn't be |
| 19:26.59 | merlincorey | but 2.1.17 and higher are supposed to have the driver |
| 19:27.17 | merlincorey | I mean it was greater than or equal to that value |
| 19:27.27 | merlincorey | It was hard to determine, actually |
| 19:27.28 | cahoot | merlincorey: no chance using a wirde connection during install? |
| 19:27.31 | itchi | merlincorey: What card is it? And btw take a bottle of beer and beeeeeee coooooooollllll |
| 19:27.33 | merlincorey | no chance |
| 19:27.40 | merlincorey | I am stealing wireless |
| 19:27.40 | merlincorey | :p |
| 19:27.42 | merlincorey | well |
| 19:27.48 | merlincorey | borrowing from a friend |
| 19:27.53 | scv | lol |
| 19:27.59 | merlincorey | but I mean I don't have physical access to the router, no chance |
| 19:28.05 | merlincorey | it is upstairs and locked and such |
| 19:28.15 | scv | hehe, welcome to the darkside |
| 19:28.31 | merlincorey | I'm the one that set the password for this router :P |
| 19:28.31 | scv | O.o |
| 19:28.34 | merlincorey | it was factory settings |
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| 19:28.53 | wols | merlincorey: what wireless chip? |
| 19:29.17 | merlincorey | it's the broadcom... let me check |
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| 19:30.08 | scv | I think I won't buy a router which has some sniffing tools on the internet |
| 19:30.33 | itchi | scv: Where's my Pisang gone? Or a bottle of beer? |
| 19:30.49 | scv | sorry, |
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| 19:30.59 | merlincorey | wow |
| 19:31.01 | merlincorey | I hate vista |
| 19:31.06 | merlincorey | all it tells me is Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN |
| 19:31.10 | scv | s/bear/beer |
| 19:31.15 | merlincorey | I assume it's the Broadcom 48x series common in laptops |
| 19:31.23 | wols | merlincorey: boot debian, lspci -v |
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| 19:31.35 | wols | and: if you know how to look, devicemanager should give you PCI ids too |
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| 19:32.25 | merlincorey | can't boot debian I don't think the isolinux on the netinst has lspci? |
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| 19:32.36 | merlincorey | I am trying to wipe Vista off |
| 19:32.37 | eleftherios | ugh, after alsaconf again the sound comes from the PC speaker |
| 19:32.39 | merlincorey | I don't want it at all |
| 19:32.44 | scv | is it real that intel or broadcom nics are better than the others on the market? |
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| 19:33.08 | wols | merlincorey: it does |
| 19:33.10 | scv | is it just a myth? |
| 19:33.12 | merlincorey | let me fart around with the Device Manager see if I can figure out exactly which one, but I think that is less of my issue than figuring out how to get what drivers I want/need onto my install CD? |
| 19:33.15 | wols | so boot it and tell us |
| 19:33.16 | merlincorey | since I don't have a floppy drive |
| 19:33.25 | merlincorey | how am I to boot it? |
| 19:33.27 | merlincorey | oh |
| 19:33.28 | merlincorey | nevermind |
| 19:33.30 | merlincorey | read it :P |
| 19:33.31 | rhsanborn | I have a new install of a dual boot system. I want to automagically mount the Windows (NTFS) partition, anyone know how I might go about doing that? |
| 19:33.53 | wols | merlincorey: it won't work with the install CD most probably, but it's still needed info to make it work |
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| 19:34.18 | hark | !ntfsro |
| 19:34.19 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 19:34.19 | Pc_Dark | how do I isntall my graphics card driver, I'm wanting to install beryl |
| 19:34.30 | itchi | scv: I have an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection and are happy of it |
| 19:34.36 | wols | !tell Pc_Dark about drxx |
| 19:34.37 | rhsanborn | hark, thanks |
| 19:34.52 | merlincorey | well, am I correct in assuming that what I will have to do is burn a second resource CD containing the things I need on it? |
| 19:35.05 | merlincorey | because I'd rather not reboot |
| 19:35.12 | wols | merlincorey: you could put it on the harddisk too |
| 19:35.15 | merlincorey | vista takes too long and there's bunch of clutter |
| 19:35.25 | merlincorey | how would the install access it? |
| 19:35.31 | wols | merlincorey: it won't |
| 19:35.42 | merlincorey | oh, I do have a USB storage device that I can put things on, too |
| 19:35.44 | wols | merlincorey: a 2nd CD won't help you with the installer either |
| 19:35.58 | merlincorey | shit, why the fuck not? |
| 19:36.04 | merlincorey | :/ |
| 19:36.21 | wols | merlincorey: you install debian, THEN configure your wirelss. THEN install the rest you want |
| 19:36.46 | wols | it might (slim chance but chance) work while installing but it's certainly more complicated then |
| 19:37.14 | space_ninja | this is the third time I reinstall debian just today, can't count them all :) |
| 19:37.27 | wols | space_ninja: you use the wrong OS too much |
| 19:37.33 | merlincorey | I am willing to do that, but how do I ensure I will be able to configure my wireless afterwards without the net (i.e. how can I check before I actually install that the files and packages I need will be on the CD I use to install) |
| 19:37.35 | wols | debian is installed ONCE. then nevermore |
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| 19:37.59 | wols | merlincorey: what packages? |
| 19:38.00 | space_ninja | no I'm a perfectionist, that's my problem |
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| 19:38.20 | wols | space_ninja: you are something else, but I better not tell you what or it'd be flaming |
| 19:38.39 | Ronin | 3 times in one day? i think thats more then ive ever installe debian |
| 19:38.41 | itchi | sh*t, no orange juice, waaaaaaa |
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| 19:38.45 | wols | and being a perfectionist has nothing to do with it |
| 19:38.54 | space_ninja | := |
| 19:38.55 | space_ninja | :) |
| 19:39.01 | space_ninja | I'm noob yes |
| 19:39.07 | space_ninja | I suck |
| 19:39.08 | space_ninja | yes |
| 19:39.14 | space_ninja | that's why I'm doing this |
| 19:39.19 | merlincorey | wols, won't I need the wireless-tools package or whatever that contains iwconfig and all that? |
| 19:39.23 | wols | your approach at installing debian is... suboptimal |
| 19:39.25 | space_ninja | because I dont have the damn skills |
| 19:39.33 | wols | merlincorey: of course you do. and? |
| 19:39.55 | space_ninja | you get more flamed when you don't say what you think |
| 19:39.56 | wols | merlincorey: they are not a problem. the problem is the needed driver |
| 19:39.59 | space_ninja | :) |
| 19:40.12 | merlincorey | wols, so how do I check if it is on the Nth CD? |
| 19:40.20 | merlincorey | supposedly, 2.6.17 and later have my driver built in |
| 19:40.32 | wols | space_ninja: worst is, reinstalling everytime you encounter a problem means you never really learn to solve your problems. instead you run away from them |
| 19:40.45 | wols | merlincorey: why would you need to? |
| 19:40.45 | space_ninja | I have heard that many times from my friend |
| 19:40.47 | merlincorey | but how do I ensure my installed version will? |
| 19:41.01 | wols | merlincorey: it is on the CD. ensure what? |
| 19:41.01 | space_ninja | But I feel like the computer get's bloated everytime I do something wrong |
| 19:41.05 | space_ninja | get |
| 19:41.06 | space_ninja | s |
| 19:41.23 | wols | space_ninja: maybe you should learn how to uninstall stuff? |
| 19:41.33 | merlincorey | which CD? The first one? The netinst CD? i |
| 19:41.41 | wols | merlincorey: have you tried a etch installer yet? |
| 19:41.43 | space_ninja | I don't trust the the uninstallation |
| 19:41.50 | space_ninja | It always leaves something left |
| 19:41.53 | wols | space_ninja: you are deluded |
| 19:41.58 | space_ninja | of course |
| 19:42.08 | h3sp4wn | space_ninja: use aptitude purge |
| 19:42.10 | merlincorey | I just want to make sure I will have what I need; yes, I already said, I tried yesterday's etch netinst snapshot; normal mode and expert mode |
| 19:42.14 | wols | unlike windows "uninstallers", debian's work |
| 19:42.20 | h3sp4wn | space_ninja: (and occasionally - aptitude purge \~c |
| 19:42.26 | merlincorey | it seemed in expert mode that I might be able to put the drivers on another CD |
| 19:42.33 | wols | merlincorey: and there was no driver for your card, right? |
| 19:42.34 | merlincorey | but I do not know how to do that so I am enquiring here |
| 19:42.37 | CharminTheMoose | when gpm says it needs debianutils,ucf and debconf as dependancies, does that mean I can after installing it and getting it to work I can take the binary/libs/config file and use it in a custom distro that's built with debian binaries? |
| 19:42.47 | h3sp4wn | space_ninja: (config files or dependancies are not purged by default if you use aptitude purge) |
| 19:42.52 | scv | space_ninja: the best uninstalling tool is the hands |
| 19:42.52 | merlincorey | it didn't say there was an error, but it didn't get an IP |
| 19:42.57 | merlincorey | and DHCP most certainly is on |
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| 19:43.03 | merlincorey | however |
| 19:43.07 | merlincorey | I think it is just not recognizing |
| 19:43.12 | merlincorey | because the light is not on |
| 19:43.16 | peppo | anyone else here on debian unstable who has experienced oddness with mplayer fullscreen playback lately? |
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| 19:43.20 | merlincorey | that indicates my wireless is active |
| 19:43.30 | merlincorey | so I think maybe I need a different kernel version or somesuch? |
| 19:43.31 | wols | !tell peoppo about anyone |
| 19:43.37 | merlincorey | I am not sure but I would love to get Vista off of here |
| 19:43.45 | wols | merlincorey: there are error messages and logs and the like. look at them |
| 19:43.57 | merlincorey | I have been trying since I got the laptop two days ago but I just got blank CDs today so I could start with recent stuff instead of my year old CDs :p |
| 19:44.34 | wols | merlincorey: you haven't done the slightest bit of troubleshooting it seems |
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| 19:44.34 | wols | e.g. like "do I have a WLAN interface" |
| 19:44.35 | merlincorey | it seems like that, but that's hardly the case |
| 19:44.37 | wols | ok: do you have an interface? |
| 19:44.43 | wols | that's really the most basic WLAN troubleshooting imaginable |
| 19:44.48 | space_ninja | scv yes but the thing is I go all crazy, because when I install something, it just like an infestation of that program throughout the whole file tree |
| 19:44.51 | wols | 2nd is: are you associated with an AP? |
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| 19:45.07 | merlincorey | but the installer's idea of "manual configuration" is static info, it doesn't exactly give me a full shell with all the software I would need to diagnose the problem as if it were already installed |
| 19:45.11 | wols | space_ninja: the file tree doesn't matter |
| 19:45.19 | merlincorey | your netinst CD seems to have much more software than mine |
| 19:45.24 | wols | merlincorey: you have a full shell. ctrl+alt+f2 |
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| 19:45.49 | wols | merlincorey: ifconfig and cat (which you need for the things I mentioned) are certainly not "much" |
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| 19:46.08 | rhsanborn | Do the current versions of Procmail still use mbox? |
| 19:46.10 | merlincorey | I thought I *needed* iwconfig to check WLAN interfaces? |
| 19:46.23 | wols | merlincorey: and I told you that you should not try to get it to work in the install |
| 19:46.32 | wols | merlincorey: you need better thoughts |
| 19:46.42 | merlincorey | you are assuming I have done no troubleshooting based on your understanding of the software, which is obviously greater than mine, which is why I am here getting help from you (and I appreciate it) |
| 19:46.54 | wols | you need iwconfig to configure WLAN specialities like WEP keys, APs and the like |
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| 19:47.04 | space_ninja | h3sp4wn, what does aptitude purge \~c do= |
| 19:47.13 | CharminTheMoose | when gpm says it needs debianutils,ucf and debconf as dependancies, does that mean I can after installing it and getting it to work I can take the binary/libs/config file and use it in a custom distro that's built with debian binaries and uses a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 19:47.22 | merlincorey | so assuming my access point is open, then in theory, I should be able to do a 1st CD install of etch and then from there connect to the net? |
| 19:47.35 | h3sp4wn | space_ninja: purges everything that just has config files left |
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| 19:47.46 | wols | merlincorey: when your interface should exist, run ifconfig -a and check for it |
| 19:48.02 | h3sp4wn | space_ninja: aptitude will remove dependancies for you but it doesn't purge them (even with aptitude purge) |
| 19:48.26 | wols | but: you will only manage to get wireless while installing if you know what you're doing. since you don't: install first. config wireless then install apps (like X and the like) |
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| 19:48.39 | CrippsFX | Happy St. Paddy's day everyone! |
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| 19:49.03 | merlincorey | wols, yeah, I've had to do that before |
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| 19:49.14 | merlincorey | I am just scared... because before I've always had ethernet access |
| 19:49.15 | ManuP | which package is the GTK+ one? |
| 19:49.16 | wols | merlincorey: unless the AP uses WPA, then you might need more software than there is on netinst |
| 19:49.19 | merlincorey | so I could be picked up in case I fell |
| 19:49.22 | merlincorey | and this time it's do or die |
| 19:49.39 | merlincorey | I have to make it work or I have to disgracefully reinstall vista just to get back on here for more help :P |
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| 19:49.41 | wols | merlincorey: which is why you do not delete vista from that disk |
| 19:50.04 | CrippsFX | bushblows, how do you know if I'm wearing any green? ;) |
| 19:50.10 | wols | ManuP: seach for libgtk |
| 19:50.21 | bushblows | because I know all |
| 19:50.24 | bushblows | lol |
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| 19:50.32 | merlincorey | well, I could resize their volume, but, uh, I really really just want linux on here |
| 19:50.35 | merlincorey | why is that so bad? |
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| 19:50.38 | merlincorey | I don't want to install debian twice |
| 19:50.42 | merlincorey | it's supposed to be installed once |
| 19:50.44 | merlincorey | and we both know it |
| 19:50.46 | CrippsFX | bushblows, hahaha |
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| 19:50.58 | wols | it is not bad. but deleting vista before you have anothying else running satisfactorily is just dumb |
| 19:51.05 | bartden | hi, howcome when i press and hold backspace for example , i only delete the first char, and it doesnt keep removing chars (or pressing a letter, and only shows up once) ?? |
| 19:51.08 | wols | heck install some old XP on the notebook(it's smaller) |
| 19:51.12 | ManuP | wols, libgtk is installed, but i can not compile gimp. configure fails. |
| 19:51.15 | bushblows | lol |
| 19:51.15 | Pc_Dark | is there a good program that can create videos |
| 19:51.15 | dvs | merlincorey: I've been using Debian since bo and it seems to take me three times to install it before I get it right. |
| 19:51.24 | Pc_Dark | that like creates a video and tapes your screen |
| 19:51.31 | wols | ManuP: cause you miss -dev packages |
| 19:51.37 | Pc_Dark | like showing someone how to do it, a program creates a video of whatever you do |
| 19:51.54 | merlincorey | dvs, well, I've only been using debian since the end of potato, and I installed that about 50 times before I got it working, but I've been doing much better since :D |
| 19:52.05 | ManuP | wols, so i need libgtk-dev? |
| 19:52.08 | dvs | heh |
| 19:52.16 | scv | ... |
| 19:52.19 | merlincorey | idea! |
| 19:52.21 | wols | ManuP: I guess you need a lot more than just libgtk-dev. |
| 19:52.29 | CrippsFX | reality! |
| 19:52.33 | wols | ManuP: man apt-get. look at the build-depend stuff |
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| 19:52.48 | Pc_Dark | where's xorg.conf |
| 19:52.49 | merlincorey | that just might be a good one, too :P |
| 19:52.58 | wols | merlincorey: it might |
| 19:52.59 | ManuP | wols, ok |
| 19:52.59 | Nyle | too many /mes |
| 19:53.18 | wols | Pc_Dark: /etc/X11/. what for? |
| 19:53.21 | Nyle | Pc_Dark /etc/X``/xorg.conf |
| 19:53.27 | Nyle | umm 11 |
| 19:53.28 | Pc_Dark | gotta make beryl work |
| 19:53.44 | Nyle | I did that, i think it sucks |
| 19:53.47 | CrippsFX | Pc_Dark, what kind of video card do you have? |
| 19:53.55 | h3sp4wn | merlincorey: Could just install with {c}debootstrap (from grml / knoppix / sidux / kanotix etc etc |
| 19:53.58 | Nyle | at least for me, too much crap man, makes it hard to use the desktop |
| 19:54.00 | Nyle | at least for me |
| 19:54.04 | Pc_Dark | ATI, CrippsFX |
| 19:54.07 | Nyle | ouch |
| 19:54.14 | CrippsFX | Pc_Dark, using fglrx driver? |
| 19:54.18 | Nyle | so basically no aiglx, no composite with fglrx |
| 19:54.19 | Pc_Dark | no |
| 19:54.22 | Pc_Dark | how do I install that |
| 19:54.25 | Nyle | with oss drivers I never tried it |
| 19:54.27 | wols | Pc_Dark: and accelerated opengl is already working? |
| 19:54.30 | Nyle | !fglrx |
| 19:54.30 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 19:54.40 | CrippsFX | Pc_Dark, yeah ... you *might* have some luck with the radeon driver. |
| 19:54.42 | h3sp4wn | You don't want fglrx unless you have no other alternative at all |
| 19:54.51 | CrippsFX | h3sp4wn, true that. |
| 19:54.55 | wols | Pc_Dark: what chip? |
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| 19:54.59 | Pc_Dark | I don't know |
| 19:55.02 | Nyle | well I use cedega, and games, so for that I HAVE to use fglrx otherwise no dri/3d |
| 19:55.03 | ManuP | wols, you were right, i need 200MB more... |
| 19:55.04 | wols | Pc_Dark: then find out? |
| 19:55.06 | Pc_Dark | how? |
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| 19:55.14 | wols | Pc_Dark: man lspci |
| 19:55.23 | Nyle | I think I might sell this x1900xtx I have and buy a nvidia card |
| 19:55.32 | CrippsFX | Pc_Dark, open up a terminal window and type "glxinfo |grep "Direct Rendering" |
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| 19:55.37 | Nyle | this is my first ati card ever and its good, just that the linux drivers sucks major donkey balls |
| 19:55.40 | wols | Nyle: but if you do: wait ~1 month |
| 19:55.49 | Nyle | for 8800? |
| 19:55.58 | Nyle | hmm time flies by |
| 19:56.10 | wols | Nyle: no, 8800 is 3 months old. you don't need to wait for that |
| 19:56.23 | Nyle | no I mean a low end 8800 was supposed to come out here sometime |
| 19:56.29 | CrippsFX | Nyle, radeon 9600 and older aren't *too* bad from what I hear. |
| 19:56.33 | Nyle | wols, what should I wait for? |
| 19:56.35 | Pc_Dark | Techonlogies Inc M22 [Radeon Mobility M300] |
| 19:56.36 | wols | Nyle: that's been out for a month already |
| 19:56.43 | Nyle | oh has it, I been out for a while hehe |
| 19:56.46 | wols | Nyle: 8600 and lower cards. mainstrwam cards |
| 19:57.06 | Nyle | I haven't checked up on this stuff in a while |
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| 19:57.11 | CrippsFX | does the radeon driver work with mobility M300? |
| 19:57.17 | space_ninja | what is xdm, kdm, and gmd called with one name? |
| 19:57.21 | Nyle | CrippsFX it should |
| 19:57.22 | wols | it might. could be a R300 card |
| 19:57.29 | wols | space_ninja: display manager |
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| 19:57.35 | Pc_Dark | What should I do?? |
| 19:57.35 | space_ninja | ok |
| 19:57.38 | h3sp4wn | CrippsFX: http://megahurts.dk/rune/r300_status.html |
| 19:57.40 | Pc_Dark | It's a good video card |
| 19:57.41 | wols | !tell Pc_Dark about drxx |
| 19:57.46 | space_ninja | where do I set up my display manager? |
| 19:57.48 | Nyle | Pc_Dark, you can make beryl work under flgrx |
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| 19:57.57 | ManuP | my linux system is about 10 GB big (without home-dir) is this normal? |
| 19:57.58 | itchi | I have a 9600SE here, works kinda fina |
| 19:57.59 | space_ninja | I know how you do it with gentoo |
| 19:58.00 | wols | space_ninja: just install one. dpkg does the rest |
| 19:58.07 | space_ninja | that's cheating |
| 19:58.08 | bayziders | I'm a ubuntu user, would you recomend the switch to debian? |
| 19:58.11 | Nyle | its not quite easy though, since you only have dri you'll have to use beryl over Xgl |
| 19:58.14 | Nyle | not xorg |
| 19:58.22 | space_ninja | what if I got two display managers? |
| 19:58.27 | Nyle | but with oss drivers for ati i have no clue |
| 19:58.29 | h3sp4wn | CrippsFX: You might have to add the pci id's to force it to work somewhere |
| 19:58.33 | space_ninja | how will I control which should be runned, wols? |
| 19:58.37 | itchi | bayziders: Depend |
| 19:58.47 | CrippsFX | h3sp4wn, that question was actually for Pc_Dark ... I have a 200M ;) |
| 19:58.47 | wols | bayziders: kinda strange questions. you know where you are? we ALWAYS recommend people switching to debian. just like a honda dealer ALWAYS tells you to buy a honda... |
| 19:58.50 | ManuP | bayziders, if you know how to come along with linux: yes. if you still are new, no. |
| 19:59.00 | wols | space_ninja: init scripts |
| 19:59.04 | Nyle | wols, we're not dealers :) |
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| 19:59.16 | wols | Nyle: we are worse. we are zealots |
| 19:59.19 | Nyle | but... debian is supreme. I heard HP started officially supporting sarge |
| 19:59.21 | itchi | Nyle: Are you not a Debian dealer? |
| 19:59.21 | bayziders | I've been using it for like 8 months |
| 19:59.23 | Nyle | that is cool |
| 19:59.25 | Nyle | wols haha |
| 19:59.29 | Nyle | indeed it is true |
| 19:59.57 | ManuP | bayziders, ubuntus base is debian, but it is not as easy as ubuntu. |
| 20:00.07 | Nyle | in fact iirc hp sold 25million in first week or month since it started officially supporting it on some of thier hardware |
| 20:00.15 | CrippsFX | bayziders, the question is then, what does ubuntu not offer that you're looking for? |
| 20:00.20 | Nyle | hp is on the right track |
| 20:00.36 | ErikRose_ | Can anybody think of why a user is a member of both "nogroup" and "someothergroup" even when he isn't assigned to "nogroup" in /etc/group? |
| 20:00.49 | bayziders | I don't know I hate all the organe and the werid start up tune. |
| 20:00.54 | CrippsFX | Nyle, yep ... can't wait until that sort of behaviour is more widespread. |
| 20:01.05 | ManuP | my system is about 10GB big, i did not install many add programs. is this normal (excluding my home-dir)! |
| 20:01.12 | space_ninja | ok |
| 20:01.14 | wols | ManuP: no |
| 20:01.16 | Nyle | bayziders install debian and your happyness will uncurl |
| 20:01.17 | space_ninja | init |
| 20:01.27 | wols | ManuP: you isntalled a shitload to use 10GB |
| 20:01.27 | bayziders | yay |
| 20:01.30 | ManuP | wols, i did apt-get clear... this freed about 3 gigs |
| 20:01.31 | amphi | bayziders: 'organe'? if you can't fix the 'start up tune', you perhaps are not ready for debian ;) |
| 20:01.41 | bayziders | ='( |
| 20:01.41 | CrippsFX | bayziders, there should be documentation on the ubuntu community site that will step you through customising all that. |
| 20:01.51 | bayziders | who cares |
| 20:01.52 | bayziders | debian it is |
| 20:01.54 | Nyle | amphi way to encourage people |
| 20:01.57 | bayziders | plus debian sounds kooler |
| 20:01.58 | Nyle | hehe |
| 20:01.58 | wols | ManuP: so you installed a full dvd of programs, archived (which means they double in size at least). that's quite a lot |
| 20:02.04 | ManuP | wols, i have gnome running, OOo, gimp and some smaller programs. so what is so big?! |
| 20:02.11 | Nyle | oh holy crap |
| 20:02.14 | ManuP | wols, i did netinstall. |
| 20:02.18 | wols | gnoem for starters. OO isn't small |
| 20:02.23 | CrippsFX | bayziders, you should definitely do some reading before you switch over ... |
| 20:02.29 | Nyle | thats a lot of bloatware |
| 20:02.30 | wols | and all those -dev things you just installed are really big |
| 20:02.41 | ManuP | wols, but not 10 gigs! |
| 20:02.54 | Pc_Dark | wol |
| 20:02.57 | ManuP | i have to download everything.. no dvd. |
| 20:02.59 | Pc_Dark | I have reconfigured XServer |
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| 20:03.11 | wols | ManuP: just tell apt to deinstall gnome. it will remove a shitload, trust me |
| 20:03.21 | wols | ManuP: but you have downloaded a DVD's worth |
| 20:03.38 | ManuP | wols, since i am using fluxbox this would be an option... |
| 20:03.40 | Nyle | apt-get --purge remove gnome* |
| 20:03.42 | Nyle | maybe |
| 20:03.44 | Nyle | !remove gnome |
| 20:03.44 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 20:03.46 | wols | Notorious: |
| 20:03.51 | wols | oops |
| 20:03.53 | amphi | Nyle: *shrug* if he can't fix the gnome/kde startup din, debian may not prove to be much fun |
| 20:04.08 | Nyle | amphi i know bro just pullin yer leg :) |
| 20:04.11 | rfrank | can someone give me an example ofa valid scp command? Im a little confused |
| 20:04.15 | CrippsFX | wow ... my / folder is 11 gigs in use too ... but one of the dirs in there is holding a few dvd imgs, so, that' 8.7 Gigs ;) |
| 20:04.33 | CrippsFX | amphi, agreed. |
| 20:04.46 | ManuP | wols, my /var-dir has 2.7G, /usr has 4.6G and the others less then 1 gig... |
| 20:04.51 | wols | excluding data, a debian install fits into 5-10GB easily. very easily |
| 20:04.56 | CrippsFX | rfrank, there should be scp examples in the manpage ... |
| 20:05.01 | wols | and for 10GB you have kde and gnome installed at the same time |
| 20:05.03 | Nyle | under 1 gb with Xorg kde |
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| 20:05.10 | rfrank | CrippsFX, nope |
| 20:05.24 | wols | ManuP: what is in /var? |
| 20:05.37 | wols | ManuP: var is lots of data stuff |
| 20:05.38 | ManuP | wols, dont know... didnt move anything there. |
| 20:05.44 | wols | ManuP: wrong |
| 20:05.49 | ManuP | wols, can i delete? |
| 20:06.05 | wols | some yes, some no. you certainly can't delete /var |
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| 20:06.26 | wols | ManuP: dpkg -l |wc -l |
| 20:06.37 | CrippsFX | rfrank, scp cripps@localhost:/path/to/file.tar.gz root@remotehost:/path/to/file/file.tar.gz |
| 20:06.49 | ManuP | wols, 1297 |
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| 20:07.00 | wols | so you have 1300 packages installed |
| 20:07.15 | ManuP | wols, seems so. |
| 20:07.21 | ManuP | is this much? |
| 20:07.32 | ManuP | are that many i mean? |
| 20:07.35 | CrippsFX | rfrank, use "-r" to copy directories recursively |
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| 20:08.28 | Pc_Dark | beryl says I have no composite extention |
| 20:08.35 | rhsanborn | Anyone know the format in which Mutt stores it's emails? |
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| 20:08.46 | Pc_Dark | i need to use fglrx or soemthing |
| 20:08.48 | Pc_Dark | ? |
| 20:09.15 | wols | Pc_Dark: what driver are you sing right now? |
| 20:09.20 | amphi | rhsanborn: mbox I presume |
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| 20:09.29 | wols | rhsanborn: it can use pretty much all of them |
| 20:09.36 | rhsanborn | amphi, That would make me a very happy person, thanks |
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| 20:09.40 | Pc_Dark | none wols |
| 20:09.47 | h3sp4wn | Pc_Dark: You need to enable composite in xorg.conf |
| 20:09.50 | wols | Pc_Dark: you are lying. without driver: no X |
| 20:09.55 | Pc_Dark | oh |
| 20:09.56 | rhsanborn | I need to be able to move the mailbox via flash driev regularly...mbox seems well suited to that |
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| 20:10.20 | CrippsFX | probably ati |
| 20:10.34 | wols | CrippsFX: my guess is vesa |
| 20:10.34 | Nyle | !stosberg |
| 20:10.34 | dpkg | hmm... stosberg is Latest KDE backports for Debian Sarge (stable) by Daniel Stosberg (http://deb.stosberg.net). Please read the entire instructions carefully on the website. |
| 20:10.56 | Pc_Dark | I have composite enabled, h3sp4wn |
| 20:11.00 | CrippsFX | wols, could go either way. Mine usually uses ati by default for xpress 200m |
| 20:11.18 | rfrank | CrippsFX, how do you escape spaces? |
| 20:11.20 | ManuP | !remove gnome |
| 20:11.20 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 20:11.26 | CrippsFX | rfrank, \ |
| 20:11.27 | wols | rfrank: "\ " |
| 20:11.46 | rfrank | wtf, its not working |
| 20:11.47 | rfrank | :| |
| 20:11.59 | CrippsFX | rfrank, define "not working" ? |
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| 20:12.20 | ManuP | wols, if i do a apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common will i see how much disk-space i get free? |
| 20:12.24 | rfrank | CrippsFX, its returning scp: xxxx: no such file or directory |
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| 20:12.31 | wols | ManuP: yes |
| 20:12.38 | rfrank | for each of the parts separated by spaces |
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| 20:12.58 | CrippsFX | rfrank, show me the command you're trying to run. |
| 20:13.07 | rfrank | CrippsFX, nvm, using quotes it works |
| 20:13.17 | CrippsFX | kk. |
| 20:13.27 | wols | rfrank: file\ with\ spaces.txt |
| 20:14.07 | CrippsFX | hmmm ... it's 5:47 ... should I start drinking? |
| 20:14.10 | Pc_Dark | how do I find out what ATI driver I'm using |
| 20:14.12 | rfrank | wols: CrippsFX: Doesnt work - it just returns scp: xxxx: no such file or directory for each part separated by spaces; using quotes it works fine though |
| 20:14.19 | rfrank | copying a directory recursively right now |
| 20:14.26 | biz | hi, i have to specify an allowed host in the CIDR format, what is the right one for just one single ip? 192.168.10.20/0 ? |
| 20:14.28 | wols | you using bash? |
| 20:14.34 | Pc_Dark | yea |
| 20:14.40 | ManuP | wols, this would only be 223MB |
| 20:14.41 | Guerin | biz: /32 |
| 20:14.42 | Pc_Dark | oh not talking to me |
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| 20:15.02 | wols | Pc_Dark: your X log tells you for example |
| 20:15.10 | ManuP | !remove openoffice |
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| 20:15.14 | ManuP | !remove openoffice.org |
| 20:15.18 | Guerin | biz: aptitude install ipcalc; will help |
| 20:15.21 | ManuP | !remove OOo |
| 20:15.22 | Pc_Dark | how would I find this? |
| 20:15.25 | Guerin | ManuP: wtf |
| 20:15.32 | Guerin | ManuP: aptitude purge openoffice.org |
| 20:15.33 | Ronin | ManuP: apt-get remove for crying out loud |
| 20:15.34 | wols | !tell ManuP about msg the bot |
| 20:15.38 | Ronin | Guerin: that too |
| 20:15.51 | CrippsFX | Pc_Dark, grep -n ["ati"||"vesa] /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:15.52 | ManuP | Guerin, just wnt to know how much space OO takes. |
| 20:15.55 | CrippsFX | er .. |
| 20:15.59 | CrippsFX | Pc_Dark, grep -n ["ati"||"vesa"] /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 20:16.10 | Guerin | ManuP: aptitude show |
| 20:16.46 | Pc_Dark | didn't work, CrippsFX |
| 20:16.55 | Pc_Dark | unkown command vesa |
| 20:16.56 | Nyle | solar_sea ok |
| 20:17.00 | Nyle | solar_sea /msg dpkg pinning |
| 20:17.08 | CrippsFX | Pc_Dark, I realize that ... I'm figuringit out right now (I hate regular expressions) |
| 20:17.11 | Nyle | solar_sea pin deb.stosberg.net as source: |
| 20:17.24 | Pc_Dark | you mean |
| 20:17.31 | solar_sea | okey, looking at it |
| 20:17.37 | Pc_Dark | grep -n (ati|vesa) /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?? |
| 20:17.40 | Nyle | solar_sea, check to see if backports.org has a more recent kde than daniels backports |
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| 20:18.08 | CrippsFX | Pc_Dark, nope, that returns an error too |
| 20:18.14 | Pc_Dark | Wierd |
| 20:18.17 | Pc_Dark | wait |
| 20:18.26 | Pc_Dark | grep -n /(ati|vesa)/i) /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:18.33 | wols | grep -i ati /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:18.51 | wols | and grep -i vesa /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:19.06 | ManuP | wols, i dont understand what is taking that much diskspace |
| 20:19.24 | Pc_Dark | i got a lot of things, wols |
| 20:19.26 | Guerin | ManuP: aptitude clean |
| 20:19.27 | Pc_Dark | like tons |
| 20:19.34 | Pc_Dark | I'll pastebin it all, wols? |
| 20:19.36 | ManuP | Guerin, i did that already |
| 20:19.36 | CrippsFX | Pc_Dark, from which command? |
| 20:19.56 | Nyle | solar_sea, yeah, backports.org only has 3.5.0, so just get kde from stosberg |
| 20:19.58 | solar_sea | Nyle, the backports has 3.5.0 |
| 20:20.02 | rfrank | how can I mount a bin file? |
| 20:20.02 | solar_sea | yes, i saw that :) |
| 20:20.07 | Nyle | solar_sea, is there a reason why you want to use sarge? |
| 20:20.10 | Nyle | is this a server? |
| 20:20.25 | Nyle | if you get etch, you can have 3.5.5 |
| 20:20.35 | rfrank | bin/cue rather |
| 20:20.41 | solar_sea | no really, but i would like more stability rathen then newer software |
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| 20:20.50 | Pc_Dark | http://pastebin.ca/399181 |
| 20:20.51 | Nyle | etch is fairly stable |
| 20:20.57 | Pc_Dark | that's all of the results, wols |
| 20:21.04 | solar_sea | I've tried netinstalling with the daily build this morning |
| 20:21.11 | solar_sea | and it wasn't stable :) |
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| 20:21.43 | Pc_Dark | coding what, crippsFX |
| 20:21.52 | Nyle | solar_sea, so 1. add the sources for stosberg to sources.list 2. pin priority 999 and source stosberg.net and apt-get install kde and it will fetch the 3.5.3 from stosberg, and rest of what it needs from deb main |
| 20:22.29 | Nyle | its easy, just read /msg dpkg pinning |
| 20:22.45 | solar_sea | i'm reading the article @ the wiki right now |
| 20:23.00 | Nyle | cool, let me know if you need more help |
| 20:23.15 | solar_sea | what should be the values for pin release - testing or unstable ? |
| 20:23.35 | solar_sea | and package: i suppose - just kde ? |
| 20:23.45 | Nyle | don't use release |
| 20:24.10 | Nyle | I am not on debian atm, but i think it should be source: stosberg.net |
| 20:24.10 | solar_sea | skip the pin line ? |
| 20:24.20 | Nyle | not release |
| 20:24.30 | Pc_Dark | whatever, fglrx here i go.. |
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| 20:24.37 | u4a | hi all. |
| 20:24.43 | Nyle | something like that |
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| 20:24.57 | u4a | i've a problem installing gnash pluggin into iceweasel |
| 20:25.31 | h3sp4wn | Pc_Dark: If you use fglrx you have to use Xgl |
| 20:25.39 | Nyle | solar_sea iirc Pin: source deb.stosberg.net |
| 20:25.44 | h3sp4wn | Pc_Dark: (presuming you want that beryl junk) |
| 20:25.56 | Pc_Dark | yeah |
| 20:26.00 | Nyle | that should be fine and priority 999 and package kde* |
| 20:26.00 | Pc_Dark | how do I use XGL |
| 20:26.16 | h3sp4wn | No idea xgl is not in debian ask #beryl or #xgl or so |
| 20:26.22 | Nyle | Pc_Dark, follow the beryl wiki for debian |
| 20:26.35 | solar_sea | W: Did not understand pin type source |
| 20:26.37 | Nyle | Pc_Dark, it took me 2 days of nonstop bullshit to get Xgl to work |
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| 20:26.47 | Nyle | and even then, none of that beryl stuff is worth it |
| 20:26.56 | Pc_Dark | it looks cool though |
| 20:26.56 | solar_sea | Package: kde |
| 20:26.57 | solar_sea | Pin: source deb.stosberg.net |
| 20:26.57 | solar_sea | Pin-Priority: 999 |
| 20:27.06 | Nyle | xgl is not in debian, you will need precompiled binaries or compiled it from source |
| 20:27.08 | solar_sea | and it doesn't work |
| 20:27.25 | Nyle | solar_sea package kde* |
| 20:27.39 | solar_sea | I did apt-get update too |
| 20:27.43 | solar_sea | okey, testing |
| 20:27.43 | Pc_Dark | FGLRX iss till installing |
| 20:27.45 | Pc_Dark | ;/ |
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| 20:27.58 | Nyle | solar_sea, and when you install kde it should show that it is downloading some packages from stosberg.net |
| 20:28.09 | Nyle | and some from debian.org |
| 20:28.14 | Nyle | or whatever other mirror you have |
| 20:28.19 | solar_sea | okey, apt-get update |
| 20:28.24 | solar_sea | and then apt-get install kde |
| 20:28.29 | Nyle | yup |
| 20:28.30 | solar_sea | says again that kde is the newest version |
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| 20:28.33 | frog | can i anyhow force fakeroot to write the temporary file not to /tmp but somewhere else? |
| 20:28.37 | u4a | any idea about iceweasel's gnash' plugin? |
| 20:28.53 | space_ninja | wols, what was the name of the terminal you recommended? |
| 20:29.08 | space_ninja | that |
| 20:29.14 | Nyle | solar_sea what version do you have right now? |
| 20:29.19 | Pc_Dark | why doesn't debian make XGL available to setup easily |
| 20:29.20 | Pc_Dark | -_- |
| 20:29.31 | Nyle | !why |
| 20:29.31 | dpkg | Because! |
| 20:29.40 | solar_sea | 3.3.2 according to a kde about dialog |
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| 20:30.32 | Pc_Dark | Nyle |
| 20:30.37 | wols | mrxvt |
| 20:30.41 | CrippsFX | Pc_Dark, an MP3 tag database in python for class. |
| 20:30.41 | Nyle | solar_sea what is your mirror? deb http://deb.stosberg.net/ sarge main ? |
| 20:30.45 | Pc_Dark | so I have to download the beryl stuff from ubuntu thing? |
| 20:30.58 | Nyle | Pc_Dark, follow beryl debian wiki and you will have it working |
| 20:31.01 | Nyle | thats how I did it |
| 20:31.09 | Pc_Dark | it says to download some ubuntu crp |
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| 20:31.14 | Nyle | Pc_Dark so get it |
| 20:31.20 | Pc_Dark | ;/ |
| 20:31.21 | Nyle | or compile xgl yourself |
| 20:31.23 | wols | !tell octoberd1n about beryl |
| 20:31.25 | Pc_Dark | uhh NO |
| 20:31.27 | Nyle | if it makes you feel better |
| 20:31.27 | Pc_Dark | im new |
| 20:31.28 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:31.36 | solar_sea | nyle deb http://deb.stosberg.net/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/kde3.5 ./ |
| 20:31.39 | Pc_Dark | I'll ahem do the crap as the directions say -_- |
| 20:31.44 | solar_sea | just this one and the same with deb-src |
| 20:31.59 | Nyle | solar_sea http://deb.stosberg.net/howto.html |
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| 20:32.14 | xomhau | hi all |
| 20:32.20 | scv | hi |
| 20:32.27 | scv | are you still alive? |
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| 20:32.46 | solar_sea | Nyle, i've replaced the lines with those, apt-get update, apt-get install kde |
| 20:32.49 | solar_sea | again does nothing |
| 20:33.02 | Nyle | I haven't pinned anything in a while |
| 20:33.10 | Nyle | the pin line might be wrong |
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| 20:33.41 | Pc_Dark | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 20:33.44 | Pc_Dark | Why did that happen |
| 20:34.01 | solar_sea | and apt-get update is checking the stosberg.net or so it seems to me |
| 20:34.24 | Nyle | solar_sea yeh you might have to pin version numbers maybe |
| 20:34.33 | Nyle | I dunno, read man apt_preferences |
| 20:34.39 | solar_sea | okey |
| 20:34.56 | Nyle | it seems fine except for the pinning |
| 20:35.01 | Pc_Dark | someone help |
| 20:35.06 | Pc_Dark | why did gflrx not work installing |
| 20:35.14 | jetscreamer | die ati die |
| 20:35.31 | Nyle | Pc_Dark where did you get the fglrx modules? |
| 20:35.32 | nzjunky | solar_sea: check with "apt-cache policy kde" what version are available. You will see if your pinning is wrong. |
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| 20:35.49 | Pc_Dark | !fglrx-one-line |
| 20:35.54 | Pc_Dark | !fglrx one-line |
| 20:35.58 | solar_sea | W: Did not understand pin type source |
| 20:36.03 | Pc_Dark | !fglrx |
| 20:36.05 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 20:36.07 | Nyle | hmm |
| 20:36.10 | Pc_Dark | !fglrx one-liner |
| 20:36.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 20:36.12 | Pc_Dark | there |
| 20:36.15 | Nyle | something might have been changed or I am not remembering stuff correctly |
| 20:36.20 | solar_sea | so indeed, looks like it's wrong :) |
| 20:36.29 | Nyle | I thought it was pin: source blah.org etc. |
| 20:36.40 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 20:36.41 | dpkg | from memory, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 20:36.48 | Pc_Dark | Nyle |
| 20:36.51 | Pc_Dark | is beryl crap |
| 20:36.54 | Pc_Dark | and not worth the trouble? |
| 20:36.58 | Nyle | i have no access to debina atm sorry |
| 20:37.06 | Nyle | Pc_Dark umm in my opinion yes |
| 20:37.08 | solar_sea | when I seach the map apt_preferences for 'pin: s' it doesn't return nothing |
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| 20:37.21 | Nyle | solar_sea I'm a pothead, maybe I can't remember |
| 20:37.35 | solar_sea | :) whatever, thanks, i'll dig into this myself |
| 20:37.43 | Nyle | i don't know why I remember source |
| 20:38.54 | Nyle | ahh |
| 20:38.54 | Nyle | its origin |
| 20:38.54 | Nyle | not source |
| 20:38.54 | Pc_Dark | ugh |
| 20:38.54 | Nyle | try pin: origin stosberg.net |
| 20:39.01 | Nyle | heh, my bad, my memory is horrible. origin is what you want |
| 20:39.09 | Pc_Dark | what's so good about SCSI drives |
| 20:39.19 | Nyle | solar_sea, try pin: origin stosberg.net |
| 20:39.51 | solar_sea | in a second |
| 20:39.52 | Pc_Dark | how would I install java into firefox? |
| 20:40.04 | solar_sea | without the .deb ? |
| 20:40.09 | solar_sea | the deb.* |
| 20:40.13 | Nyle | you can use it |
| 20:40.16 | wols | !tell Pc_Dark about install java |
| 20:40.18 | Nyle | deb.stosberg.net will work also |
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| 20:40.56 | wols | Pc_Dark: beryl is mainly for prettification |
| 20:40.57 | Nyle | Pc_Dark, which distro? |
| 20:41.05 | Nyle | Pc_Dark for sarge, /msg dpkg install java |
| 20:41.15 | Nyle | Pc_Dark fo retch, apt-cache search sun|grep java |
| 20:41.22 | Nyle | install the jre package etc. |
| 20:41.24 | solar_sea | again, the same result. and absolutly no change in the output of apt-cache policy kde |
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| 20:42.15 | Pc_Dark | mm.. |
| 20:42.20 | Pc_Dark | and then it'll work in firefox? |
| 20:42.27 | Nyle | solar_sea strange, I just had a ding go off in my head, and that is exactly how I remember installing latest kde on sarge |
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| 20:42.30 | Nyle | which wasn't too long ago |
| 20:42.33 | nzjunky | solar_sea: but you have a newer version in the possible installation sources? (but with lower priority) |
| 20:42.53 | solar_sea | nzjunky, in the preferences file ? |
| 20:42.56 | Nyle | solar_sea try to pin version instead of origin maybe |
| 20:43.11 | Nyle | solar_sea this is all in /etc/apt/pereferences right? |
| 20:43.11 | majere | hey, why i have no directories for users in my /var/mail -directory ? |
| 20:43.23 | solar_sea | in the preferences file the other lines are only about sarge-backports about the kernel |
| 20:43.24 | nzjunky | solar_sea: No, in the output of apt-cache policy |
| 20:43.27 | space_ninja | which libs does iceweasel use? |
| 20:43.28 | solar_sea | Nyle, yep |
| 20:43.37 | space_ninja | is it gtk? |
| 20:43.42 | Nyle | gtk2 |
| 20:43.49 | solar_sea | nzjunky, the output of apt-cache policy kde looked pretty cryptic to me |
| 20:43.52 | xixor | hey everyone, I just installed a 3D card in my system, a Fanless GeForce 6200, just wondering if anyone can recommend some cool 3D games to check out to make sure it works, getting planetpenguin-racer right now |
| 20:44.10 | Nyle | !debgames |
| 20:44.11 | dpkg | somebody said debgames was debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 20:44.18 | solar_sea | and in apt-cache policy, the last section, Pinned packages |
| 20:44.18 | Nyle | have fun |
| 20:44.24 | solar_sea | there is no kde |
| 20:44.36 | scv | using a 6200, at first, your main memory is eaten |
| 20:44.52 | Pc_Dark | KDE is awesome -_- |
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| 20:45.02 | Sashi | hey |
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| 20:45.09 | Sashi | debian has support for 5.1 speakers right |
| 20:45.11 | Sashi | :D |
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| 20:45.40 | Nyle | hey solar_sea I think it won't work with apt-get install kde since stosberg has no package called kde |
| 20:45.45 | Nyle | maybe? |
| 20:46.13 | Nyle | but it should fetch the packages that are in the metapackage of kde from stosberg |
| 20:46.24 | Nyle | afaicr pinning is right in your config |
| 20:46.26 | ManuP | !tell ManuP about wine |
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| 20:46.59 | freetos | isn't there a single weekly net-install cd for debian etch, i haven't been able to find it on there installer page |
| 20:47.10 | Pc_Dark | why doesn't debian make a beryl apt-get |
| 20:47.45 | nzjunky | solar_sea: It's easy to understand: First you see the version installed, next posile packet to install and then follows a list of source to install the packed from. If there is no line with the source stosberg, there is no kde on stosberg |
| 20:48.33 | solar_sea | or the pinning is wrong, because in the output of apt-get cache, there is no kde mentioned |
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| 20:48.44 | Nyle | apt-get cache? |
| 20:49.11 | solar_sea | ops, apt-cache policy |
| 20:49.17 | solar_sea | i'm getting confused :) |
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| 20:49.36 | solar_sea | Nyle, take a loot at http://rafb.net/p/SGuZ8n49.html |
| 20:49.37 | Nyle | i thinking of using a virtual machine on my brothers pc to at least get my hands on debina |
| 20:49.40 | Nyle | all my shit is packed up |
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| 20:50.05 | biopyte | hi. i just upgraded from ff to iceweasel. how can i deactivate automatic spellchecking? |
| 20:50.21 | jetscreamer | boot a kanotix cd nyle |
| 20:50.39 | jetscreamer | same thing cept for you_know_what |
| 20:50.44 | nzjunky | solar_sea: No: If stosberg has kde, there will be a line with http://deb.stos... It does not depend on pinning. Pinning is here the change with of the package |
| 20:50.49 | Guerin | biopyte: look in about:config |
| 20:50.51 | Nyle | jetscreamer yeh, but I like debian :) |
| 20:51.00 | krazykit | biopyte: in about:config, search for "spell" |
| 20:51.23 | krazykit | biopyte: one thing, layout.spellcheckDefault, i THINK it should be set to 0 |
| 20:51.26 | solar_sea | but stosberg apparently has kde, ot so it says on the site |
| 20:51.28 | krazykit | to disable it |
| 20:52.04 | nzjunky | solar_sea: Use apt-cache policy packed name. Also: apt-cache policy kde |
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| 20:52.45 | Pc_Dark | I installed the java runtime environment |
| 20:52.52 | Pc_Dark | but FireFox isn't working on java still? |
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| 20:53.08 | Nyle | Pc_Dark about:plugins in firefox |
| 20:53.11 | Nyle | is java listed? |
| 20:53.12 | Gathond | Pc_Dark: mine does |
| 20:53.16 | Pc_Dark | nope |
| 20:53.23 | Gathond | Pc_Dark: or the 32 bit version does anyway |
| 20:53.23 | biopyte | krazykit; Guerin: found it. thanks. have to use the filter for 'spell'. the find didn'T work otherwise i would not have asked. |
| 20:53.24 | psyco-obiwan | does somebody know if packages for sarge for nslookup and dig exist and how they are named ? |
| 20:53.33 | scv | I think you can fix that by hands |
| 20:53.33 | Nyle | should be in dnsutils |
| 20:53.34 | Nyle | maybe |
| 20:53.41 | Nyle | !info dnsutils |
| 20:53.44 | dpkg | dnsutils: (Clients provided with BIND), section net, is standard. Version: 1:9.3.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 175 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 20:53.48 | Pc_Dark | I'm running a 32Bit system |
| 20:53.52 | jetscreamer | !tell psyco-obiwan -about apt-file |
| 20:53.54 | psyco-obiwan | sanku! |
| 20:53.55 | solar_sea | nzjunky, here's the output from apt-cache policy kde http://rafb.net/p/Z22ZXQ76.html |
| 20:53.55 | Pc_Dark | but why won't firefox work with java -_- |
| 20:54.01 | Pc_Dark | How do I install the plugin, Nyle |
| 20:54.15 | solar_sea | yet, http://deb.stosberg.net/groups/kde3.5.html definatelly says that there is kde :) |
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| 20:54.16 | jetscreamer | you have to create a symlink iirc Pc_Dark for the plugin |
| 20:54.27 | Pc_Dark | how do I do this |
| 20:54.28 | Gathond | Pc_Dark: probably something about not having the package that includes the actual plugin in the firefox directory |
| 20:54.29 | Nyle | Pc_Dark apt-cache search sun|grep java . out of the 8 or so listed packages you will need jre, plugin and bin |
| 20:54.31 | Nyle | i think |
| 20:54.34 | jetscreamer | in the plugins directory to some_file in the jave dir |
| 20:54.50 | Nyle | or apt-cache search java|grep plugin |
| 20:55.03 | Pc_Dark | all of those are installed, nyle |
| 20:55.03 | Nyle | its a package called sun java blahblah plugin |
| 20:55.04 | Nyle | something |
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| 20:55.10 | Nyle | did you restart firefox? |
| 20:55.11 | Pc_Dark | i installed it Nyle |
| 20:55.14 | Pc_Dark | yeah |
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| 20:56.17 | nzjunky | solar_sea: This output tells you, there is no kde on stosberg, because ther is no line with stossberg in der Version Table. But you can install a newer version from backports.org. |
| 20:56.47 | Nyle | bpo has 3 versins less than stosberg |
| 20:56.56 | Nyle | however if you want kde 3.5.0 use bpo |
| 20:57.06 | solar_sea | okey, how should I do it, again with pinning ? |
| 20:57.06 | Nyle | I don't know the stability of daniels packages |
| 20:57.10 | Nyle | I do know bpo is fairly stable |
| 20:57.34 | Nyle | solar_sea same way you have everything else pinning with backports.org |
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| 20:57.43 | Nyle | then just apt-get -t sarge-backports install kde |
| 20:57.47 | Nyle | or pin it |
| 20:57.50 | Nyle | either way |
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| 20:58.18 | HardDisk_WP | do there any GUI programs for debian exist which can recover me scratched CDs to a ISO? |
| 20:58.34 | solar_sea | okey, dling. should I shutdown kde after it's installed or before to prevent any conflicts ? |
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| 20:58.47 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP no, but you can buy a CD BUFFER for 20-30$ and fluid for 5$ |
| 20:58.55 | Nyle | and you can buff your own cds and make em shine |
| 20:59.06 | Nyle | 90% of the time my horribly scratched up cds work after buffing |
| 20:59.10 | Pc_Dark | please help |
| 20:59.14 | Pc_Dark | I don't know why it's not working |
| 20:59.19 | Nyle | as for software, you can use dd to copy cd to iso |
| 20:59.23 | Nyle | man dd |
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| 20:59.47 | freetos | is etch at rc1 or rc2 status? |
| 20:59.55 | Nyle | Pc_Dark whats the problem |
| 21:00.01 | dvs | FredricR_: rc1 still |
| 21:00.06 | Pc_Dark | the plugin isn't owrking on firefox |
| 21:00.09 | Pc_Dark | Java is installed |
| 21:00.09 | Nyle | hmm |
| 21:00.20 | Nyle | I should really get debian |
| 21:00.21 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 21:00.34 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, i dont have $$$ left... |
| 21:00.49 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP, well, toothpaste and cold water, then soft cotton |
| 21:00.57 | Nyle | or spit shine with a soft cotton cloth |
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| 21:00.59 | Nyle | might work |
| 21:01.00 | nzjunky | solar_sea: what is the output of: apt-cache policy kdebase |
| 21:01.00 | Kronoz | freetos, rc1 offical, rc2 test images are available, rc2 is coming out on the 18th iirc |
| 21:01.08 | Reiser_x | hey |
| 21:01.19 | Reiser_x | i have problems to run php scripts |
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| 21:01.26 | Reiser_x | i installed apache and php4 |
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| 21:01.44 | solar_sea | so, I should apt-get install kdebase ? |
| 21:01.51 | Kronoz | do the rc2 test images support resizing of ntfs partitions? |
| 21:01.52 | Nyle | Reiser_x and in your apache httpd.conf you have commented out the lines for php mime types? |
| 21:01.52 | Reiser_x | but when i try to run php files, it ask what application i want to use to open file |
| 21:02.07 | Kronoz | or the weekly-builds |
| 21:02.13 | Nyle | thats 1.3, for 2.0 i dunno, I still administer apache 1.3 |
| 21:02.16 | Pc_Dark | why won't it install the stupid plugin! |
| 21:02.28 | Nyle | Pc_Dark calm yourself, take a smoke break and come back |
| 21:02.31 | Pc_Dark | apt-get install sun-java5-plugin... |
| 21:02.34 | Pc_Dark | i don't smoke |
| 21:02.49 | Nyle | Pc_Dark dpkg -L sun-java5-plugin|grep .so |
| 21:03.05 | Nyle | just a thought |
| 21:03.12 | Pc_Dark | didn't return anything |
| 21:03.32 | Reiser_x | Nyle: i have to cange some line in httpd.conf ? |
| 21:03.36 | Nyle | you need libjava something or other .so in a direcotry mozilla can recognize |
| 21:03.42 | Pc_Dark | wait |
| 21:03.49 | Nyle | and it will be loaded, usually its in /usr/lib/mozilla sometihng |
| 21:03.54 | Pc_Dark | mm |
| 21:03.57 | nzjunky | solar_sea: Ok. KDE Packages are available on stossberg. What is the higest priority in the version list? Bigger than 500.. |
| 21:04.07 | Nyle | Reiser_x yes . open it, and search for 'php' |
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| 21:04.16 | Nyle | the lines are commented out by default, uncomment them |
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| 21:04.37 | Reiser_x | AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3 ? that line is commented |
| 21:04.40 | Nyle | yes |
| 21:04.47 | Nyle | uncomment lines like that for php |
| 21:05.04 | Nyle | then restart apache |
| 21:05.18 | Nyle | you also need libapache mod php package |
| 21:05.38 | rfrank | is there anyway to force an unmount even if the device is busy? |
| 21:05.45 | Nyle | umount -f |
| 21:05.47 | Nyle | maybe? |
| 21:05.48 | Guerin | nope |
| 21:05.51 | Guerin | -l |
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| 21:05.59 | Nyle | Guerin hey man whats up |
| 21:06.01 | solar_sea | nzjunky, no, the two largest one are at 500 |
| 21:06.05 | Nyle | I thought -f is force eh |
| 21:06.07 | Guerin | Nyle: a'ight |
| 21:06.18 | solar_sea | the deb.stosberg, security.debian.org and my local mirror |
| 21:06.27 | Guerin | daylight saving just ended, so i'm up an hour early |
| 21:06.41 | Nyle | heh, we had our time switch 4 -5 days ago i htink |
| 21:06.44 | rfrank | Guerin, ahh taht worked tx |
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| 21:06.59 | nzjunky | solar_sea: And witch version is installed: (First line) |
| 21:07.14 | Reiser_x | there is libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 21:07.15 | solar_sea | Installed: 4:3.3.2-1sarge3 |
| 21:07.30 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.36 | Nyle | wtf |
| 21:07.42 | Nyle | oh man fucking paste |
| 21:07.54 | Reiser_x | Nyle: |
| 21:07.57 | Reiser_x | there is libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 21:08.00 | nzjunky | solar_sea: and what say the second line? |
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| 21:08.07 | Nyle | Reiser_x yup |
| 21:08.21 | solar_sea | Candidate: 4:3.5.3-1dest1 |
| 21:08.21 | rhsanborn | Bah, trying to get cups to make my printer work isfrustrating. I'm not sure if I've chosen the wrong type of driver or what, but it just won't send the print jobs to the printer |
| 21:08.24 | Pc_Dark | thanks |
| 21:08.26 | Pc_Dark | got it to work! |
| 21:08.29 | Guerin | Nyle: regardless, it doesn't do what he asked |
| 21:08.59 | Nyle | Guerin but I don't understand the full difference between -f and -l |
| 21:09.05 | Nyle | I read them both, could you maybe explain |
| 21:09.31 | nzjunky | solar_sea: That means an update to version: 3.5.3 is posible. Try: aptitude upgrade. It should upgrade your kde to the new version. |
| 21:09.32 | rhsanborn | Should I use the CUPS-Gutenprint driver, or the Foomatic driver? |
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| 21:09.37 | rhsanborn | HP Laserjet printer |
| 21:09.50 | solar_sea | nzjunky, right now i'm runnign apt-get install kdebase |
| 21:10.01 | solar_sea | and it's downloading files from stosberg |
| 21:10.07 | Guerin | Nyle: -l is specifically `i'm too lazy to make sure nothing is using that mount, do it anyway' |
| 21:10.21 | Nyle | oh no shit |
| 21:10.34 | Nyle | word |
| 21:11.14 | Nyle | solar_sea so what exactly was the problem |
| 21:11.26 | solar_sea | nyle unable to switch back to another keyboard layout |
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| 21:11.34 | Nyle | no with stosberg man |
| 21:11.35 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 21:11.35 | nzjunky | solar_sea: that looks good. You are updating to version 3.5.3 from stossberg. If you use just apt-get upgrade you will also upgrade the other parts of kde |
| 21:11.38 | solar_sea | there was no such option in the control center |
| 21:12.04 | majere | any1 ? |
| 21:12.09 | solar_sea | Nyle, it looks to me that there is just the meta kdebase @ stosberg |
| 21:12.14 | Nyle | I wasn't following the conv. between nzjunky and solar_sea. what was the problemn with stosberg |
| 21:12.14 | solar_sea | and not the kde one |
| 21:12.27 | Nyle | solar_sea I think I said that like 20 mins ago :) |
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| 21:12.41 | solar_sea | well, then i'm a idiot for not reading it :) |
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| 21:12.47 | majere | Help please ! I can't c any user-folders on my /var/mail neither i can send any mail by mail -command. |
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| 21:12.54 | nzjunky | Nyle: stosberg has no kde metapackage |
| 21:12.57 | Nyle | solar_sea i migh not have mentioned your nickname, so I have a bad habit of doing that |
| 21:13.05 | FreeKFC_Guy | which is better xfce or fluxbox for performance?? |
| 21:13.21 | Nyle | nzjunky thats what I figured. i told him there is no 'kde' on stosberg so it might not work |
| 21:13.56 | Nyle | cuz afaict his pinning was fine |
| 21:14.04 | Reiser_x | Nyle: i uncomment that lines http://www.pastebin.ca/399231 |
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| 21:14.22 | Nyle | should be ok now |
| 21:14.26 | gita | holy user list. |
| 21:14.30 | Nyle | eh? |
| 21:14.31 | nzjunky | Nyle: Maybe solar_sea has no a better understandig of preferences, pinning an priority of packages ;) |
| 21:14.31 | Reiser_x | no |
| 21:14.41 | Reiser_x | i can run php !! |
| 21:14.46 | Nyle | nzjunky thats why you're here right :) |
| 21:15.08 | Nyle | Reiser_x so it works now? |
| 21:15.26 | Vasistha | I'm looking at dpkg's factoid on 'blacklist'. what's this about: 'in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true"' ? Does this "install" command add the module to the blacklist?? Or shall I just edit the text file manually? |
| 21:15.33 | Reiser_x | Nyle: no |
| 21:15.34 | gita | is it okay to ask for assistance in here? |
| 21:15.39 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 21:15.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:15.56 | Nyle | Reiser_x you have restarted apache? |
| 21:16.04 | gita | werd |
| 21:16.08 | Reiser_x | yeah |
| 21:16.19 | gita | i have spent this entire day trying to install the latest subversion under debian |
| 21:16.27 | gita | Linux mingu.sping.us 2.6.16-xen #8 SMP Mon Jun 12 05:56:26 PDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:16.32 | Reiser_x | sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 21:16.40 | Nyle | yes |
| 21:16.45 | gita | for some reason, i cannot make the following command work: |
| 21:16.51 | Nyle | it still asks to save php files? |
| 21:16.53 | gita | apt-get install subversion=1.4.3 |
| 21:17.04 | Reiser_x | Nyle: yes |
| 21:17.16 | gita | or this: apt-get install subversion=1.4.3dfsg1 |
| 21:17.19 | Nyle | Reiser_x make sure all the php add type lines are uncommented and that apache recognizes index.php as well as other index. files |
| 21:17.29 | Nyle | Reiser_x try #apache as well |
| 21:17.31 | gita | so i resorted to an attempt at compiling it from source |
| 21:18.01 | gita | and i get this |
| 21:18.01 | gita | root@mingu:~/subversion-1.4.3# svn --version |
| 21:18.01 | gita | svn: 'libsvn_ra_dav-1.so.0' does not define 'svn_ra_dav__init()': Error string not specified yet |
| 21:18.08 | Vasistha | gita: man apt-get, look up the -t flag |
| 21:18.39 | Nyle | is the latest subversion even packaged for debian yet? |
| 21:18.51 | h3sp4wn | !info subversion |
| 21:18.59 | dpkg | subversion: (Advanced version control system), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1002 kB, Installed size: 3300 kB |
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| 21:19.07 | h3sp4wn | !info subversion experimental |
| 21:19.07 | gita | ok, that gets me closer |
| 21:19.09 | dpkg | subversion: (Advanced version control system), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.4.3dfsg1-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 1029 kB, Installed size: 3388 kB |
| 21:19.13 | gita | i tried -t earlier, got it wrong |
| 21:19.13 | HardDisk_WP | how do I mount a ISO image? |
| 21:19.29 | Nyle | loop device |
| 21:19.40 | gita | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:19.40 | gita | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.41 | Nyle | mount -t iso9660 -o loop |
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| 21:19.43 | gita | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.46 | gita | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.56 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP mount -t iso9660 -o loop blah/ blah/ |
| 21:20.02 | Reiser_x | Nyle: no more lines |
| 21:20.22 | Nyle | man i'm not even on debian right now otherwise i'd check for you |
| 21:20.28 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, thx |
| 21:21.00 | h3sp4wn | gita: have you done a dist-upgrade recently ? (does the xen run sid or etch ?) |
| 21:21.13 | Reiser_x | Nyle: http://www.pastebin.ca/399234 |
| 21:21.22 | Nyle | Reiser_x try #apache too |
| 21:21.23 | Reiser_x | i pasted all httpd.conf |
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| 21:21.25 | Nyle | ok |
| 21:21.28 | Nyle | let me take a look |
| 21:21.31 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 21:22.27 | xand | Why Hello There |
| 21:22.35 | nzjunky | gita: Try: apt-get -t experimental install subversion |
| 21:23.01 | Nyle | Reiser_x looks good to me |
| 21:23.08 | gita | that's what gives me the unmet dependencies errors |
| 21:23.12 | Reiser_x | hummm |
| 21:23.24 | Nyle | im not sure, but can you try to backport something from experimental? |
| 21:23.33 | Nyle | like get the source from experimental and build on sid/etch etc. |
| 21:23.35 | xand | wtf are you doing |
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| 21:23.37 | Vasistha | gita: fwiw, I think the fact that you ran into those dependency issues indicates that you got the -t command correct, and that now you need to move on and deal with dependencies |
| 21:23.50 | gita | the dependencies won't install |
| 21:24.43 | nzjunky | gita: It installs on my etch system. What are you using? |
| 21:24.51 | Vasistha | gita: dunno if this is a practical suggestion for you, but you might consider trying out the aptitude front-end, it might help you resolve these issues |
| 21:25.02 | Nyle | Vasistha thats a great idea |
| 21:25.06 | gita | Linux mingu.sping.us 2.6.16-xen #8 SMP Mon Jun 12 05:56:26 PDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:26.41 | gita | i have console access only |
| 21:26.41 | Nyle | but what versions of other libs does the experimental version depend on |
| 21:26.41 | Vasistha | gita: aptitude is a text-mode app |
| 21:26.41 | Nyle | of subdersion |
| 21:26.41 | Reiser_x | Nyle: have you any idea? |
| 21:26.42 | nzjunky | gita: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:26.42 | gita | E: Broken packages |
| 21:26.42 | h3sp4wn | !info libapr1 experimental |
| 21:26.43 | h3sp4wn | !experimental |
| 21:26.43 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 21:26.43 | Nyle | Reiser_x well your config looks good. you say you have the right packages installed. you say you restarted apache. I don't know where to begin troubleshooting. Try #apache |
| 21:26.44 | Vasistha | gita: ...it's ncurses based |
| 21:26.44 | gita | i know this is because i attempted to install from source |
| 21:26.44 | Reiser_x | ok |
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| 21:27.52 | LOLNADA | hey, my debian version is testing, can't i install unstable things? |
| 21:27.58 | Guerin | LOLNADA: no. |
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| 21:28.10 | Nyle | !simple sid backport |
| 21:28.10 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 21:28.25 | kiah_ | how do I downgrade to xorg 7.0.0 from xorg 7.1.1? |
| 21:28.41 | Nyle | umm !snapshots maybe |
| 21:28.49 | Nyle | not sure |
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| 21:28.58 | xand | kiah_: you probably can't... why do you want to? |
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| 21:29.20 | wols | !downgrade |
| 21:29.20 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 21:29.27 | LOLNADA | Guerin: why not? |
| 21:29.31 | kiah_ | ~ |
| 21:29.36 | Guerin | LOLNADA: because you're not running unstable. |
| 21:29.42 | kiah_ | 3s |
| 21:29.49 | wols | gita: what are you running? |
| 21:29.50 | scv | you can downgrade it by hands i think |
| 21:30.02 | Nyle | !snapshots |
| 21:30.03 | dpkg | hmm... debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 21:30.15 | h3sp4wn | LOLNADA: you can run an etch/sid mix if you want |
| 21:30.17 | Nyle | they might carry older xorg |
| 21:30.18 | Nyle | dunno |
| 21:30.20 | keram | does anyone know how to get a nfs server set up? |
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| 21:30.30 | xand | keram: apt-get install nfs-server |
| 21:30.36 | keram | then what? |
| 21:30.39 | wols | keram: yes. by reading docs and trying out stuff first |
| 21:30.49 | xand | keram: then man exports |
| 21:31.05 | keram | well i got something set up already |
| 21:31.13 | keram | but when i try to mount it i get a permission denyed error |
| 21:31.16 | Nyle | keram install nfs-kernel-server, modify /etc/exports on the nfs server to export a directory. on the client install portmap and mount -t nfs ip:/share |
| 21:31.17 | keram | i dont know if i set it up right though |
| 21:31.24 | xand | read man exports |
| 21:31.29 | xand | or pastebin your exports file |
| 21:31.34 | keram | okay |
| 21:31.41 | xand | !pastebin |
| 21:31.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 21:31.44 | h3sp4wn | !quick etch/sid mix > LOLNADA |
| 21:31.47 | Nyle | ugh |
| 21:31.50 | Nyle | fuck pastebin |
| 21:31.56 | Nyle | !paster keram |
| 21:31.56 | dpkg | keram: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 21:31.56 | xand | how rude. |
| 21:31.58 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:32.00 | Nyle | sowwie |
| 21:32.10 | keram | it is just one line |
| 21:32.13 | Nyle | pastebin is slow as balls |
| 21:32.22 | Reiser_x | Nyle: the problem -> cache |
| 21:32.25 | xand | if it's really only one line, paste it |
| 21:32.26 | xand | here |
| 21:32.28 | Reiser_x | i run from Opera |
| 21:32.32 | Nyle | Reiser_x so it works now eh |
| 21:32.35 | keram | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.37 | Reiser_x | yeah |
| 21:32.38 | keram | lol thats it |
| 21:32.39 | Reiser_x | thanks |
| 21:32.57 | Reiser_x | i am installing mysql4.1 |
| 21:32.58 | keram | does that look right? |
| 21:33.01 | xand | and are you trying to access it from one of those machines? |
| 21:33.01 | Nyle | Reiser_x no prolemn. i knew the config was fine, so yeah, always make the option of keeping cache to date in browsers |
| 21:33.07 | Nyle | or refresh :) |
| 21:33.11 | wols | keram: are you root when trying to mount? |
| 21:33.13 | keram | xand, i'm trying to access it from .12 right now |
| 21:33.29 | LOLNADA | # |
| 21:33.29 | LOLNADA | # less h3sp4wn | grep brain |
| 21:33.29 | LOLNADA | # |
| 21:33.30 | Nyle | Reiser_x why not 5.0 |
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| 21:33.37 | Reiser_x | what i need to use php and mysql? |
| 21:33.39 | Nyle | Reiser_x just install mysql-server |
| 21:33.42 | xand | keram: did you restart the nfs server since changing the file? |
| 21:33.49 | Nyle | its a meta package |
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| 21:33.55 | keram | $ sudo mount -t nfs 192.168.2.11:/nfsdir /mnt/ |
| 21:33.55 | keram | mount: 192.168.2.11:/nfsdir failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 21:34.02 | xand | /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server reload |
| 21:34.03 | wols | Reiser_x: apt-cache search php |grep mysql |
| 21:34.04 | keram | xand, i'm not sure |
| 21:34.10 | xand | well do it anyway, then try again |
| 21:34.21 | Nyle | Reiser_x and what wols said |
| 21:34.24 | Reiser_x | php5 have new functionality, but the app i made no use private, protected, private |
| 21:34.27 | Reiser_x | and so on |
| 21:34.44 | Nyle | i still use php4 |
| 21:34.47 | keram | hey it worked |
| 21:34.47 | keram | ! |
| 21:34.50 | Nyle | and apache 1.3 |
| 21:34.53 | keram | i only have nfs-user-server though |
| 21:34.54 | keram | not kernel |
| 21:35.07 | Nyle | user is slower than kernel |
| 21:35.07 | wols | keram: waste of time. use a kernel server |
| 21:35.08 | Morvok | Do the Nvidia Legacy drivers support the video-in function for capture? |
| 21:35.11 | Nyle | very very slow |
| 21:35.19 | keram | wols, okay :] |
| 21:35.21 | xand | keram: ok |
| 21:35.23 | xand | good |
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| 21:35.28 | wols | Morvok: best ask nvidia that |
| 21:35.35 | xand | I've never tried the user one, but it sounds a bit crap to me |
| 21:35.43 | gita | i cannot find svn through the ncurses-based aptitude interface |
| 21:35.43 | Nyle | it is |
| 21:35.50 | keram | wow that was so easy to do |
| 21:35.51 | keram | lol |
| 21:35.51 | Nyle | its not called svn |
| 21:35.55 | Nyle | it is called subversion |
| 21:36.00 | gita | i couldn't find subversion, either |
| 21:36.05 | Nyle | life's a bitch |
| 21:36.08 | gita | i just shortened that to svn because i am lazy |
| 21:36.09 | Nyle | and then you get high |
| 21:36.10 | xixor | hey everyone, just curious which package I should install to see if opengl hardware rendering is working properly, I am not sure which package glxinfo and glx-gears is in |
| 21:36.12 | wols | !find subversion |
| 21:36.14 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'subversion' (3): python-subversion ;; subversion ;; subversion-tools. |
| 21:36.22 | Reiser_x | i am confused, why in ubuntu is diferent that in debian? i mean mozilla cache |
| 21:36.32 | Nyle | mesa something |
| 21:36.37 | wols | xixor: go to packages.debian.org and look for glxinfo. it's mesa-utils or such |
| 21:36.37 | Vasistha | (running etch) Is there some compelling reason *not* to manually edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? dpkg's !blacklist says something about `install module_name /bin/true` |
| 21:36.49 | Nyle | thats the one, mesa-utils |
| 21:36.54 | wols | Reiser_x: cause ubuntu is not debian and vice versa duh! |
| 21:36.55 | xixor | ahh, ok |
| 21:36.56 | Nyle | I have not been high in almost a week man |
| 21:36.58 | Nyle | I suck |
| 21:37.06 | xixor | Nyle: boo-urns |
| 21:37.10 | Nyle | heh |
| 21:37.13 | xixor | Nyle: whats stopping you? |
| 21:37.15 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: probably something to do with different default config file setup, or the like |
| 21:37.22 | Reiser_x | hummmm |
| 21:37.24 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 21:37.26 | Nyle | xixor nothing. just that its time to grow up |
| 21:37.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:37.35 | xixor | Nyle: boo-urns |
| 21:37.40 | Reiser_x | the best part of ubuntu is the device detection |
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| 21:37.53 | Nyle | there is no best part to ubuntu |
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| 21:37.59 | Nyle | Retardubuntu for Ubuntards |
| 21:38.02 | Nyle | I will shush now :) |
| 21:38.05 | Vasistha | and the worst part of ubuntu is its users asking debian users for help |
| 21:38.15 | Nyle | Vasistha and that too |
| 21:38.17 | xixor | I just installed ubuntu to try it out, I like debian better |
| 21:38.21 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 21:38.23 | xixor | but ubunut was a nice distro it seemed |
| 21:38.26 | gita | hm. debian.org says libapr1 is not available. maybe that's why. |
| 21:38.26 | Nyle | xixor of course you do |
| 21:38.30 | Nyle | debian is king |
| 21:38.34 | dazjorz | I'd like to mount my NetBSD partitions, they have the ffs file system iirc |
| 21:38.46 | Vasistha | dazjorz: what does fdisk -l say |
| 21:38.50 | wols | dazjorz: ffs? |
| 21:38.56 | dazjorz | I tried with ufs2 but it didn't work |
| 21:38.57 | Reiser_x | is there any good editor for programming php |
| 21:38.59 | Reiser_x | ? |
| 21:39.03 | Nyle | Reiser_x yes |
| 21:39.03 | mfrisch | ufs |
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| 21:39.11 | wols | Reiser_x: vi, emacs,... |
| 21:39.13 | nzjunky | gita: You have experimental in your sources.list ? |
| 21:39.14 | Nyle | Reiser_x any good text editor |
| 21:39.16 | Reiser_x | i use gedit |
| 21:39.20 | xixor | Nyle: Its saturday afternoon, I recommend you smoke some dope and waste the day on irc |
| 21:39.22 | Nyle | Reiser_x I particularly like Bluefish |
| 21:39.22 | Vasistha | Reiser_x: probably, lots. I love using kate for php. |
| 21:39.22 | Reiser_x | vi and pico |
| 21:39.24 | Nyle | !info bluefish |
| 21:39.26 | dpkg | bluefish: (advanced Gtk+ HTML editor), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1578 kB, Installed size: 6724 kB |
| 21:39.42 | Nyle | it also supports php and tons of other languages syntax highlighting |
| 21:39.48 | Nyle | automatic tag closing etc. |
| 21:39.51 | Nyle | its very nice |
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| 21:40.19 | kiah_ | well I'll tell you my problem, I have a matrox G400 and I want to obtain 3d accell so I downloaded the driver and went to compile. |
| 21:40.39 | Nyle | do the ati oss drivers give 3d accel? |
| 21:40.43 | kiah_ | but it doesn't support 7.1.1 so I tried to hack it into accepting 7.0.0 as 7.1.1 |
| 21:40.45 | Nyle | or is it just fglrx that does it? |
| 21:40.51 | kiah_ | but it failed without giving an error report |
| 21:40.56 | wols | kiah_: from what I remember mga400 has full open source drivers |
| 21:41.11 | wols | Nyle: they give 3D for R300 based cards |
| 21:41.18 | Nyle | ahh |
| 21:41.24 | Nyle | I hate ati :( |
| 21:41.43 | nzjunky | Nyle: Older ati cards have 3d acc. with oss driver. For newer cards you need fglrx |
| 21:41.44 | Nyle | I wasted my 200$ it seems, since I thought I was gonna game on widnows, and now I don't anymore |
| 21:42.06 | Nyle | oh btw, wols you said to wait about a month to buy nvidia |
| 21:42.07 | Reiser_x | Nyle: i installed Bluefish |
| 21:42.08 | Nyle | why is that? |
| 21:42.11 | Reiser_x | look fine |
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| 21:42.22 | Vasistha | Nyle: I've known quite a few hardcore linux guys who kept a dual-boot for gaming :P |
| 21:42.24 | dazjorz | oops, pressed wrong x |
| 21:42.25 | Nyle | Reiser_x it is beautiful, there is also a gnome based php editor |
| 21:42.30 | Nyle | search gnome|grep php |
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| 21:43.01 | dazjorz | the host identification of the server changed, which was expected |
| 21:43.03 | wols | Nyle: I already told you why |
| 21:43.04 | dazjorz | how do I tell ssh that that's ok? |
| 21:43.08 | Nyle | Vasistha oh yes I have dual boot |
| 21:43.12 | Reiser_x | Nyle: is the best i saw |
| 21:43.19 | Nyle | wols i must have missed it, could you repeat again if you dont' mind |
| 21:43.21 | concept10 | im about to lose it |
| 21:43.24 | wols | dazjorz: edit .config |
| 21:43.26 | Nyle | concept10 don't! |
| 21:43.27 | concept10 | loose it |
| 21:43.30 | wols | Nyle: 8600 based cards |
| 21:43.31 | Nyle | concept10 keep it |
| 21:43.35 | Nyle | oh yeah thats right |
| 21:43.37 | Reiser_x | Nyle: yeterday i finish to assemble my Athlon XP |
| 21:43.40 | Nyle | sorry my bad, its the lack of pot |
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| 21:43.46 | Reiser_x | man, it go very fast |
| 21:43.48 | Pc_Dark | how do I make my sound go through headphones |
| 21:43.52 | Pc_Dark | instead of speakers -_- |
| 21:43.56 | concept10 | Why are Java apps so big? Every single one of them? |
| 21:44.00 | Nyle | Reiser_x me too, I recently put together 3.5ghz core 2 duao |
| 21:44.00 | wols | Reiser_x: athlonxps are not fast |
| 21:44.01 | Reiser_x | i installed Netbeans IDE |
| 21:44.04 | Nyle | it is blazing fast |
| 21:44.05 | mfrisch | alsamixer |
| 21:44.21 | Reiser_x | wols: believe me |
| 21:44.23 | kiah_ | wols: mmm... yeah but no 3d accell? |
| 21:44.32 | Nyle | Guerin nice |
| 21:44.38 | Reiser_x | i have a 128 PCIe card |
| 21:44.47 | wols | kiah_: it's a friggin mga400. if you want to get beryl working you#re about 10 years too late |
| 21:44.51 | dazjorz | wols: what .config? |
| 21:44.59 | Pc_Dark | Nylo |
| 21:45.02 | Nyle | er.. |
| 21:45.04 | dazjorz | wols: ah, ~/.ssh |
| 21:45.04 | Nyle | e |
| 21:45.04 | concept10 | Guerin, dont start anything Java related on that box. It might melt |
| 21:45.05 | Reiser_x | is there any good game to linux, like doom? |
| 21:45.05 | Pc_Dark | Howd O i make sound go through my headphones |
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| 21:45.09 | Pc_Dark | instead of speakers |
| 21:45.12 | Nyle | concept10 lol |
| 21:45.18 | Guerin | concept10: heh |
| 21:45.18 | concept10 | Reiser_x, True combat elite |
| 21:45.22 | Nyle | !debgames |
| 21:45.22 | dpkg | [debgames] debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
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| 21:45.25 | wols | Reiser_x: yes there is doom and quake |
| 21:45.26 | Nyle | !info freedoom |
| 21:45.29 | dpkg | freedoom: (free game files for the 3D game DOOM), section games, is optional. Version: 0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6915 kB, Installed size: 18372 kB |
| 21:45.37 | Nyle | install prboom and play freedoom |
| 21:45.40 | jetscreamer | !et |
| 21:45.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, et is Ethiopia |
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| 21:45.43 | wols | Guerin: if you have enough ram, java will run fine |
| 21:45.44 | Gryfelhase | goog games? nethack! |
| 21:45.48 | jetscreamer | !e-t |
| 21:45.56 | Guerin | wols: i can tell a joke when I see one. |
| 21:46.05 | Guerin | wols: not that I have any need to run java on a router box |
| 21:46.07 | Nyle | slashem! |
| 21:46.16 | rebo123 | Reiser_x: nethack/slashem |
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| 21:46.20 | Guerin | if only i could get this fucking wireless network working |
| 21:46.23 | concept10 | dont listen to them.. install http://www.truecombatelite.net/ and come later and I will shoot you up |
| 21:46.23 | wols | everything need java. sun said so |
| 21:46.25 | rebo123 | /ADOM :D |
| 21:46.26 | Nyle | actually i think falconseye is in debian |
| 21:46.27 | Guerin | stupid `destination host unreachable' |
| 21:46.29 | mfrisch | Guerin my router is a pii 500 |
| 21:46.30 | Nyle | !info falconseye |
| 21:46.33 | dpkg | falconseye: (A port of NetHack using SDL), section games, is optional. Version: 1.9.3-16 (sid), Packaged size: 853 kB, Installed size: 2212 kB |
| 21:46.39 | rebo123 | !info vulturesclaw |
| 21:46.44 | Nyle | its all 3d, mouse clickty pointy pointy stuff |
| 21:46.51 | Nyle | music and stuff too very nice |
| 21:46.56 | Nyle | isometric graphics |
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| 21:47.00 | kiah_ | wols: lol I don't want beryl, I want to be able to googleearth and supertux. |
| 21:47.03 | Vasistha | mfrisch: your router is more powerful than my desktop :P hehe |
| 21:47.04 | Nyle | oh god I'm hitting enter way too often |
| 21:47.16 | kiah_ | I mean tuxracer |
| 21:47.30 | concept10 | dont waste your time with that junk |
| 21:47.35 | Nyle | happy penguin |
| 21:47.47 | Nyle | concept10 I sold my fender bass |
| 21:47.59 | Pc_Dark | how do I play sound through my headphones |
| 21:48.03 | Pc_Dark | and NOT the computer speakers |
| 21:48.08 | Nyle | Pc_Dark hook in your headphones in the back |
| 21:48.09 | Nyle | ? |
| 21:48.12 | concept10 | Nyle, im about to get me an acoustic |
| 21:48.14 | Vasistha | Pc_Dark: first plug them into the right jack... |
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| 21:48.20 | whaleofconfusion | in open office |
| 21:48.22 | Pc_Dark | i did |
| 21:48.28 | whaleofconfusion | in open office draw |
| 21:48.31 | u4a | Dark_Apostrophe: thankyou! :) |
| 21:48.32 | whaleofconfusion | is there a text tool anywhere? |
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| 21:48.34 | h3sp4wn | Pc_Dark: mess around with amixer |
| 21:48.35 | Nyle | whaleofconfusion try one long line with the whole problem |
| 21:48.40 | wols | kiah_: you can. at least the driver does 3D |
| 21:48.52 | wols | kiah_: might need DRI |
| 21:48.56 | concept10 | since you guys mentioned games, im over to shoot up about 500 people |
| 21:48.57 | Nyle | whaleofconfusion also try #openoffice.org |
| 21:49.08 | Nyle | or is it #oo.o I can't recall |
| 21:49.08 | dazjorz | okay now |
| 21:49.16 | dazjorz | I'd still like to mount my NetBSD partitio |
| 21:49.19 | dazjorz | partition |
| 21:49.24 | mfrisch | Vasistha my was too untill I finally got a update a couple of years ago I bumped up to a 1.6 ;-) |
| 21:49.41 | dazjorz | I have /dev/hdb1 and /dev/hdc1 which fdisk -l says have id a9 and system netbsd |
| 21:49.46 | dazjorz | I'd like to mount them :) |
| 21:49.47 | Pc_Dark | what's amixer |
| 21:49.57 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: using ufs or ufs2 ? |
| 21:49.58 | wols | Pc_Dark: a mixer program |
| 21:50.01 | dazjorz | they were wd1a and wd2a iirc |
| 21:50.03 | dazjorz | on netbsd |
| 21:50.12 | dazjorz | h3sp4wn: ffs, I think that's ufs2 but I'm not sure |
| 21:50.13 | Vasistha | mfrisch: nice ... I do have a 1.8 box over here that I use for kernel compilation, but I love my lappy for general use |
| 21:50.30 | nzjunky | Pc_Dark: Use the mixer app and turn up headphone and mute front speakers. |
| 21:51.08 | Nyle | Vasistha soon as I get more cash i'll sell this hunk of junk (3.5ghz core 2 duo) and try and see if I can reach 4ghz with a higher c2d cpu |
| 21:51.26 | Nyle | I've only an e6300 atm |
| 21:51.27 | Vasistha | although my lappy left mouse button is starting to have issues :-( so I really need to start thinknig about upgrading in the next year |
| 21:51.43 | Nyle | external mice, I hate touch pads |
| 21:51.50 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: modprobe ufs (might be a start) |
| 21:51.57 | Nyle | hehe |
| 21:52.04 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: I have a feeling its only read only though |
| 21:52.13 | pickcoder | blah |
| 21:52.29 | Vasistha | I strongly prefer this touchpad to a mouse, for most purposes. Whenever I try to use gimp, though, I plug in a mouse. |
| 21:52.44 | Reiser_x | man |
| 21:52.47 | Nyle | woman |
| 21:52.49 | Reiser_x | i run prdoom |
| 21:52.52 | Nyle | or 'man woman' |
| 21:52.53 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:52.55 | Reiser_x | some criatures changed |
| 21:52.55 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: then just try mount -t {ufs,usf2,ffs} etc etc |
| 21:52.56 | Reiser_x | heheh |
| 21:53.08 | Nyle | Reiser_x prboom* |
| 21:53.10 | Reiser_x | but is good. classic never dye |
| 21:53.11 | wols | Nyle: for reliable 4GHz you need water. and depending on the core maybe very good RAM |
| 21:53.16 | Reiser_x | sorry |
| 21:53.18 | dazjorz | ah |
| 21:53.18 | Nyle | Reiser_x it is fantastic |
| 21:53.18 | Reiser_x | prboom |
| 21:53.19 | dazjorz | I have it :) |
| 21:53.24 | dazjorz | h3sp4wn: it works :) |
| 21:53.27 | dazjorz | thanks a lot |
| 21:53.28 | Nyle | Reiser_x check out jdoom |
| 21:53.35 | Reiser_x | Nyle: i installed in my E62 |
| 21:53.37 | Nyle | Reiser_x google for doomsday engine doom |
| 21:53.43 | Reiser_x | but i don have the activation code |
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| 21:53.52 | Nyle | what activation code? |
| 21:53.57 | Nyle | what are you talking about |
| 21:53.57 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: maybe or maybe not the modprobe ufs was unnecessary if it was then leave it or else just add it to /etc/modules |
| 21:54.05 | Reiser_x | it request for activation code |
| 21:54.11 | Nyle | who did? |
| 21:54.28 | Nyle | prboom is free just as freedoom is |
| 21:54.35 | Nyle | there are no activation codes anywhere |
| 21:54.41 | Reiser_x | it tell me Your user number is 83488484 |
| 21:54.42 | Nyle | this is linux dude, not fucking windows |
| 21:54.46 | dazjorz | ufs was compiled with read-only support, can't be mounted as read-write |
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| 21:54.52 | Reiser_x | Next enter your registration code |
| 21:54.52 | dazjorz | but i'm not trying to mount as readwrite... :/ |
| 21:55.15 | RvGaTe | Is there a backport available from sid -> etch for the nvidia drivers (i think the version from sid are 96.xx) ? |
| 21:55.28 | dazjorz | wait |
| 21:55.34 | dazjorz | h3sp4wn: it didn't work :( |
| 21:55.37 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: The 9746 is in experimental |
| 21:55.46 | Nyle | RvGaTe is there isn't one you can backport it yourself |
| 21:55.50 | dazjorz | I gotta go |
| 21:55.51 | dazjorz | Later |
| 21:55.51 | Nyle | if* |
| 21:55.54 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: using etch or sarge ? |
| 21:55.59 | Nyle | RvGaTe you suck! |
| 21:56.11 | Reiser_x | Nyle: do you know something about it? |
| 21:56.11 | RvGaTe | Nyle, some respect please? fuck off please |
| 21:56.21 | Nyle | RvGaTe it stoned you tool |
| 21:56.27 | Nyle | i should smack you |
| 21:56.30 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:56.39 | RvGaTe | shut up goatfucker :P |
| 21:56.46 | kiah_ | DRI? |
| 21:56.46 | Nyle | hey i resent that |
| 21:56.48 | Nyle | hehe |
| 21:56.53 | kiah_ | what is DRI? |
| 21:56.54 | wols | !dri |
| 21:56.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
| 21:57.16 | Nyle | Reiser_x what? |
| 21:57.44 | kiah_ | and if I gave DRI then my current Xorg Matrox driver will have 3d accell? |
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| 21:58.05 | Reiser_x | the code to run domm in E62 Nokia |
| 21:58.09 | Reiser_x | doom |
| 21:58.10 | Nyle | RvGaTe moving sucks |
| 21:58.20 | Nyle | Reiser_x oh I dunno nothing about any phones and doom |
| 21:58.21 | Nyle | no clue |
| 21:58.43 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 21:58.44 | Nyle | RvGaTe I should be a few hundred miles closer to you by the end of the month |
| 21:58.49 | Nyle | heh |
| 21:58.55 | RvGaTe | shit, i better start running |
| 21:58.58 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:59.34 | scv | running to whare? |
| 21:59.39 | Nyle | RvGaTe I still don't have a head set or mic :) |
| 21:59.43 | Nyle | err. :( |
| 21:59.45 | Reiser_x | i want to test xgl |
| 21:59.52 | scv | oh |
| 21:59.52 | Nyle | xgl is not in debian |
| 21:59.58 | Pc_Dark | is there a good video making program for debian |
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| 22:00.01 | Reiser_x | in ubuntu |
| 22:00.02 | Nyle | you will have to compiled it yourself or find pre compiled binaries elsewhere |
| 22:00.03 | Pc_Dark | that like takes a video of your screen |
| 22:00.06 | Nyle | !xgl |
| 22:00.06 | dpkg | from memory, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 22:00.38 | Nyle | Pc_Dark kino |
| 22:00.39 | Nyle | maybe? |
| 22:01.06 | mfrisch | linux vedeo editor...I think |
| 22:01.06 | Nyle | not sure if that will make a video ofyour desktop. try asking in #beryl they know how to do that. they show off thier 3d desktops in videos |
| 22:01.10 | kiah_ | Pc_Dark: kino! |
| 22:01.11 | mfrisch | video |
| 22:01.15 | whaleofconfusion | nobody talks in openoffice.org |
| 22:01.29 | Nyle | whaleofconfusion well good luck finding ooo users in #debian |
| 22:01.36 | Nyle | whaleofconfusion ask your question and wait |
| 22:01.38 | Reiser_x | hehehe |
| 22:01.46 | mfrisch | nobody thinks in ooo |
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| 22:02.20 | whaleofconfusion | does open office have a bad reputation? is there something better? |
| 22:02.31 | Nyle | if you only need wordprocessing |
| 22:02.33 | Nyle | use Abiword |
| 22:02.43 | Nyle | ooo is 110% bloat |
| 22:02.46 | Reiser_x | use vi |
| 22:02.48 | kiah_ | whaloofconfusion: Koffice is pretty cool. |
| 22:02.48 | whaleofconfusion | I am trying to add some labels to an image |
| 22:02.49 | Reiser_x | is more fast |
| 22:02.56 | mfrisch | kile... |
| 22:03.00 | Nyle | Reiser_x "faster" :) |
| 22:03.00 | Reiser_x | or pico |
| 22:03.05 | Nyle | nano/pico |
| 22:03.05 | Reiser_x | hehehe |
| 22:03.14 | Reiser_x | thanks nyle |
| 22:03.15 | kiah_ | nano! |
| 22:03.17 | amphi | whaleofconfusion: you can do that from the command line with imagemagick ;) |
| 22:03.21 | Reiser_x | i forgot my own language |
| 22:03.21 | gita | thank you for your help |
| 22:03.33 | gita | i'm going to leave the channel to minimize scrollage |
| 22:03.34 | whaleofconfusion | you can't do it from the command line, you have to see the labels to see where you want to put them |
| 22:03.35 | gita | bbl |
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| 22:03.42 | kiah_ | whaleofconfusion: seriously, try Koffice |
| 22:03.44 | whaleofconfusion | I want to label some curves |
| 22:04.02 | whaleofconfusion | the help gives mention of a text toolbar but I don't have one and I can't seem to enable it |
| 22:04.17 | Reiser_x | the only reason i use OpenOffice is because spell check |
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| 22:04.24 | Nyle | abiword has it |
| 22:04.34 | Nyle | hell koffice and gnome office have it too |
| 22:04.41 | Nyle | but at least abiword doesn't suck balls |
| 22:04.42 | Reiser_x | because spanish is so .... |
| 22:04.48 | amphi | whaleofconfusion: or do it in gimp, or inkscape |
| 22:04.54 | Nyle | i mean, not that sucking balls is a bad thing, since we all like our women to suck em |
| 22:04.58 | Nyle | nm, i shush |
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| 22:05.50 | Reiser_x | the best of OpenOffice, it include pdf export |
| 22:05.57 | Reiser_x | and it make really fast |
| 22:06.18 | crazy_penguin | 'night to all! :) |
| 22:06.19 | whaleofconfusion | I can get a "text formatting" toolbar but I can't get a "text" toolbar |
| 22:06.23 | Reiser_x | the problem is to share OpenOffice to Office |
| 22:06.34 | Reiser_x | tables and squares moves |
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| 22:06.56 | whaleofconfusion | I'll use inkscape |
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| 22:06.59 | Nyle | movie time bbl |
| 22:07.01 | whaleofconfusion | if it's the right format |
| 22:07.04 | whaleofconfusion | it's not vector graphics |
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| 22:09.51 | amphi | whaleofconfusion: what the hell is it? |
| 22:10.37 | maxamillion | if i use dpkg to install a package not available in the repos and then there is a new version of it ... will dpkg -i <package name> perform the upgrade or is there some other upgrade parameter to dpkg i don't know about? |
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| 22:11.26 | Gokee2 | Is there a way to make xmms and kaudiocreater read and display cd-text? Am I missing some pkg? |
| 22:12.03 | mfrisch | Gokee2 look for idv3 support |
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| 22:12.29 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, ok |
| 22:12.39 | mfrisch | +n |
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| 22:12.53 | wols | mfrisch: id3v2 is not CD-Text |
| 22:13.12 | mfrisch | wols what he wants lyrics |
| 22:13.30 | wols | do you know what CD-Text is? |
| 22:14.01 | wols | it's on red book audio CDs only |
| 22:14.02 | Vasistha | maxamillion: when you say "there is a new version of it" do you mean to say, that it has been entered into the repos, or that you have again downloaded a newer version of the package outside of the repos? |
| 22:14.02 | Gokee2 | I want title/song-name/etc but if I can have lyrics too that would be awsome |
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| 22:14.22 | mfrisch | I haven't heard of it...ooh |
| 22:14.25 | wols | Gokee2: for what kind of data |
| 22:14.45 | maxamillion | Vasistha: again downloaded a newer release of it |
| 22:14.54 | maxamillion | Vasistha: outside the repos* |
| 22:15.06 | wols | maxamillion: any deb file you have on your disk, you can install with dpkg -i |
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| 22:15.09 | mfrisch | wols see I though thats what he was asking. |
| 22:15.09 | Gokee2 | Whatever is on the cd... I am assuming *most?* cds have some date on them about who made them etc? |
| 22:15.15 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 22:15.20 | Vasistha | maxamillion: I believe dpkg -i newpackage.deb will do what you want |
| 22:15.24 | solar_sea | How do I mount an usb drive (my digital camera) or make debian auto-detect & mount it ? |
| 22:15.25 | wols | Gokee2: that is not CD-Text |
| 22:15.34 | maxamillion | Vasistha: ok, i thought it would ... just wanted to double check |
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| 22:15.54 | Vasistha | maxamillion: I used to do that for opera until I discovered opera has a debian repository :D |
| 22:15.58 | mfrisch | Gokee2 when ripping the cd most cd paranoia frontends add id tags to the file |
| 22:15.58 | Gokee2 | "CD-Text is an extension of the Red Book Compact Disc specifications standard for audio CDs. It allows for storage of additional information (e.g. album name, song name, and artist)" sounds like what I just said..... |
| 22:16.20 | wols | CD-Text was IIC invented for karaoke CDs |
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| 22:16.23 | confrey | is there a way to have a transparent shell on the desktop background? |
| 22:16.25 | mfrisch | Gokee2 if you tell them to |
| 22:16.28 | maxamillion | Vasistha: ah, awesome! ... well thanks for the help |
| 22:16.29 | wols | and what you might want is a cddb client |
| 22:16.33 | Gryfelhase | cdtext ist sorted in the subchannels of a cd, or am i wrong? |
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| 22:16.40 | wols | confrey: yes there is |
| 22:16.48 | Gryfelhase | stored |
| 22:16.50 | wols | Gryfelhase: it is |
| 22:16.53 | confrey | wols, fine, and how? |
| 22:16.54 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, I don`t want to have to type in the tags though |
| 22:17.06 | wols | confrey: by using an xterm that does it |
| 22:17.13 | wols | xixor: there are howtos out there for that |
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| 22:17.19 | wols | confrey: |
| 22:17.20 | mfrisch | Gokee2 if you tell the ripping program its automatic |
| 22:17.36 | xixor | wols: what are you replyign to for me? OpenGL testing questions? |
| 22:17.45 | wols | xixor: no, sorry |
| 22:18.04 | wols | xixor: x is near c |
| 22:18.15 | xixor | wols: ah |
| 22:18.17 | xixor | wols: understood |
| 22:18.25 | Pc_Dark | how do I use kino to videotape my screen |
| 22:18.30 | Pc_Dark | and everything I do |
| 22:18.33 | mfrisch | Gokee2 I know grip and gnome cd ripper does |
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| 22:18.36 | Pc_Dark | I want to make a movie of some features of KDE |
| 22:18.46 | Gokee2 | Most of the cd`s I have don`t have a CDDB listing |
| 22:19.05 | confrey | wols, xterm? I'd like to view on my bitmap background two or three consoles, transparent, and without borders or title bar |
| 22:19.06 | mfrisch | Pc_Dark I don't know the name but there is a desktop recorder program |
| 22:19.14 | confrey | wols, can I do it? |
| 22:19.25 | Pc_Dark | that's what I need, mfrisch |
| 22:19.33 | Gokee2 | plus I am ripping a lot of them on my laptop when I am at college eg no intenet |
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| 22:19.59 | mfrisch | Gokee2 internet is key because it gets info from cddb |
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| 22:20.11 | confrey | I'd like to have a minimal desktop, window manager, rox as file manager, and freedesktop menu |
| 22:20.15 | intruder_ | can anyone tell me if there is anything good about ms windows ? |
| 22:20.25 | confrey | and two shells on the background |
| 22:20.30 | confrey | can I do it? |
| 22:20.32 | wols | intruder_: wrong channel |
| 22:20.40 | intruder_ | wols: i know you would have told me this |
| 22:20.44 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, But a lot of cd`s don`t have any cddb |
| 22:20.45 | intruder_ | knew |
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| 22:21.22 | intruder_ | but yes, its probably not the right channel, but thats the channel where i can have the real answer |
| 22:21.38 | wols | !ot |
| 22:21.38 | dpkg | ot is, like, Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 22:21.41 | mfrisch | Gokee2 unless they are basement recordings they should have info...my friends cd isn't there but I was going to add it |
| 22:21.49 | intruder_ | hrm |
| 22:21.51 | intruder_ | ok |
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| 22:22.47 | Pc_Dark | istanbul seems to be good, mfrisch |
| 22:22.56 | mfrisch | Gokee2 it is just to help most people use them as guidelines there are many id editors to help |
| 22:23.06 | wols | confrey: http://www.google.com/search?q=transparent+aterm+background&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 22:23.31 | mfrisch | Pc_Dark thats it. thats the one I was thinking of..I think it can make avi |
| 22:23.45 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, I have a big stack of CD`s that get mailed to the radio station.... This one "The silent partner: Fall Away" made by "Kindalike Promotions" and distributed by "CD Baby" does not have one |
| 22:24.01 | Gokee2 | And about 60-70% of them don`t |
| 22:24.16 | wols | gentgeen__: then all you can use is CDDB or FreeDB |
| 22:24.20 | wols | grr |
| 22:24.22 | wols | Gokee2: |
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| 22:24.47 | Gokee2 | FreeDB? |
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| 22:25.18 | Pc_Dark | uhm mfrisch |
| 22:25.20 | Pc_Dark | that only works on GNOME |
| 22:25.24 | Pc_Dark | I'm using KDE you see |
| 22:25.25 | Gokee2 | Ah freedb.freedb.org |
| 22:25.33 | Gokee2 | the CDDB server I am using |
| 22:25.43 | Gokee2 | What about if the CD has text with it? |
| 22:25.47 | mfrisch | Gokee2 unfortually there are many people that pretend they are labels...there will never be a complete db |
| 22:25.52 | wols | Gokee2: cddb has more entries btw, but it's un-Free |
| 22:26.20 | Gokee2 | wols, I have no wish to pay $$$ |
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| 22:26.46 | wols | Gokee2: there are (windows)rippers that come with CDDB which don't cost you additional money afaik |
| 22:27.20 | Gokee2 | About 2-3 years ago we had a 400 disk chager that could tell most cd`s information how did that work if cd`s don`t have text on them? |
| 22:27.30 | confrey | wols, thanks |
| 22:27.46 | Gokee2 | Also I can add info to a cd when I burn it with k3b |
| 22:27.54 | wols | yes |
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| 22:27.55 | Gokee2 | So why can`t I read that info? |
| 22:28.44 | mfrisch | Gokee2 we are talking about two different technologies |
| 22:28.51 | wols | Gokee2: kover can do it |
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| 22:31.45 | Reiser_x | what is the diference between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 22:31.55 | Reiser_x | some page talk about it? |
| 22:32.10 | Gokee2 | hmmph this cd does not seem to have anything kover can read |
| 22:32.43 | Gokee2 | kover also looks like crap |
| 22:32.50 | mfrisch | Gokee2 I think if you can convert the info to id3 it would be more usefull |
| 22:33.03 | Gokee2 | id3? |
| 22:33.16 | Guerin | Reiser_x: google |
| 22:34.24 | mfrisch | Gokee2 most players read the idv3 metadata for each song to give the song info |
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| 22:35.07 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, And does that info tell things like the track names? |
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| 22:35.37 | mfrisch | Gokee2 yes..most anything |
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| 22:35.53 | mfrisch | Gokee2 but not lyrics |
| 22:36.09 | Gokee2 | Ok here is a cd from "Sunday service" I have a stack of about 10 cd`s from them and it does not have a cddb entry |
| 22:36.18 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, How do I get this info? |
| 22:36.19 | fasta | What is a very fast ps viewer (only for one page files)? |
| 22:36.23 | Gokee2 | Can xmms read it? |
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| 22:36.32 | intruder_ | damn there is now a v3 of that id3 tags |
| 22:36.56 | fasta | intruder_: of course there is: they want you to keep using WinAmp |
| 22:37.03 | intruder_ | so id3v2 -D won't be enough to remove all those crap |
| 22:37.09 | mfrisch | Gokee2 xmms can play the songs but will only show the actual file name as the song info |
| 22:37.16 | Naib | is there a debian-arm channel? |
| 22:37.19 | fasta | intruder_: that generates extra page views => money |
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| 22:37.32 | h3sp4wn | !arm |
| 22:37.32 | dpkg | hmm... arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:38.14 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, Ok, so what do I use to read idv3 info? |
| 22:38.15 | Vasistha | Is there some compelling reason *not* to manually edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? dpkg's !blacklist says something about `install module_name /bin/true` for etch |
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| 22:38.21 | Pc_Dark | how do I get gtk2.0 back |
| 22:38.29 | Gokee2 | Can I rip son`g to their real song names? |
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| 22:38.30 | Pc_Dark | i have gtk2.4, I want 2.0 for xvidcap |
| 22:38.31 | Naib | dpkg, thanks/ irc.oftc.net |
| 22:38.31 | dpkg | Naib: de nada |
| 22:38.33 | Gokee2 | songs* |
| 22:38.39 | mfrisch | Gokee2 you have to create it or use info from a online db |
| 22:38.42 | RvGaTe | How do i make sure a certain module does not get loaded... |
| 22:38.52 | mfrisch | !blacklist |
| 22:38.53 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 22:39.02 | intruder_ | RvGaTe: lsmod |
| 22:39.12 | confrey | ok, now I have a trasparent terminal (but It was possible with other terminals); now how can I obtain the sem menu as in xfce, without xfce? |
| 22:39.13 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, So you are saying the CD has NO info with it? |
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| 22:39.50 | RvGaTe | intruder_, that will only give me a list of loaded modules... i think you didn't understand my question.. |
| 22:40.05 | mfrisch | Gokee2 well your's do but in general probally not. Thats why I said if you could convert them it would solve your problem |
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| 22:41.18 | intruder_ | RvGaTe: you asked "how can i make sure some modules are not loaded " |
| 22:41.29 | intruder_ | with lsmod you will see all loaded modules |
| 22:41.46 | mfrisch | RvGaTe /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 22:42.28 | misfitx7 | anyone know the status of 4.0? |
| 22:42.36 | Gokee2 | So I would convert CD-text to idv3 and make a cdripper read the idv3 info? |
| 22:43.54 | Vasistha | misfitx7: etch is frozen, will be released when it's ready. |
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| 22:45.00 | x_link | Hi |
| 22:45.13 | Ankman | hi |
| 22:45.28 | x_link | Do I need any special program to use 2 monitors on my 6600GT card? |
| 22:45.51 | Vasistha | x_link: you probably just need an involved xorg setup, and perhaps the right driver. |
| 22:46.25 | mfrisch | Gokee2 well you would just edit the id info for the file probally after the rip unless they are in a db. the id info can be changed and updated as needed it is seperate for each song. You have burned something right, get a idv3 editor...there are some in Debian and play with what you want |
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| 22:47.01 | whaleofconfusion | inkscape can't save as .pbm can it |
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| 22:47.33 | SeNsEi_SaMe | hi people |
| 22:48.29 | x_link | Vasistha: I have the 9755 driver. |
| 22:48.52 | SeNsEi_SaMe | may anyone helps me? |
| 22:49.01 | SeNsEi_SaMe | i'm trying to configure a vanilla kernel on debian |
| 22:49.12 | SeNsEi_SaMe | but make menuconfig don't works... |
| 22:49.35 | mfrisch | SeNsEi_SaMe aptitude install libncurses-dev |
| 22:49.36 | Vasistha | SeNsEi_SaMe: you need to install some packages for that, something to do with ncurses |
| 22:49.39 | war | the 9755 driver (97xx) series has deprecated my 4800 SE :( |
| 22:49.41 | Vasistha | yeah, that :D |
| 22:49.44 | war | 4800 Ti SE, boo |
| 22:49.53 | SeNsEi_SaMe | ok thanks |
| 22:50.20 | misfitx7 | anyone running amd64? |
| 22:50.29 | mfrisch | me |
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| 22:50.33 | confrey | hi again |
| 22:50.45 | Gokee2 | mfrisch, If I wanted to manully add the information myself I can do that just by clicking the track name in a ripper |
| 22:51.01 | misfitx7 | any performance gains? |
| 22:51.25 | mfrisch | Gokee2 just use a editor after if it won't do it automatically |
| 22:51.27 | Gokee2 | suppert* |
| 22:51.38 | Gokee2 | support* |
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| 22:52.49 | mfrisch | misfitx7 some people think so...I think it can handle more at one time |
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| 22:54.46 | merlincorey | so I was wrong, I have the inferior broadcom card that only has windows drivers so I have to use ndiswrapper |
| 22:55.02 | Pc_Dark | how do you use a .deb file |
| 22:55.10 | merlincorey | with dpkg, Pc_Dark |
| 22:55.16 | Pc_Dark | so what would I do |
| 22:55.20 | merlincorey | Pc_Dark, man dpkg |
| 22:55.49 | merlincorey | Pc_Dark, but working through apt is "nicer" |
| 22:55.56 | confrey | I need a simple window manager, but working with xdg menu; what can I use? |
| 22:55.59 | Pc_Dark | it doesn't have xvidcap |
| 22:56.05 | merlincorey | what doesn't |
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| 22:56.09 | Pc_Dark | apt |
| 22:56.14 | merlincorey | apt doesn't have anything |
| 22:56.21 | merlincorey | apt is just a program to go through repositories |
| 22:56.28 | mfrisch | its that apt guys fault |
| 22:56.30 | merlincorey | what you need is the right repository added to your apt sources |
| 22:56.37 | merlincorey | but the .deb will do |
| 22:56.53 | merlincorey | in the end, debian doesn't care how you install it because it all goes through the same stuff in the end |
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| 22:57.46 | Pc_Dark | why won't istanbul work! |
| 22:57.50 | liquidfx | Pc_Dark, the command should go something similiar to "dpkg -i <filename>" but i would recommend you "man dpkg" before anything |
| 22:58.22 | Pc_Dark | http://pastebin.ca/399327 <- why does it do that? |
| 22:59.16 | fasta | Any idea how I can get any PS viewer to show the image as large as possible (using all the screen estate)? |
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| 23:01.09 | mfrisch | fasta why can |
| 23:01.33 | mfrisch | 't you full screen it? |
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| 23:01.37 | fasta | mfrisch: why is a program name? |
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| 23:01.52 | Nyle | ? |
| 23:02.05 | fasta | mfrisch: ?? |
| 23:02.11 | Pc_Dark | would backports have python GTK 2.1 |
| 23:02.14 | Nyle | why what? |
| 23:02.37 | Nyle | Pc_Dark look |
| 23:02.50 | mfrisch | fasta most ps viewers can be full screened (using all the screen) and can zoom |
| 23:02.55 | Nyle | you want us to look for you and then tell you? you can look yourself |
| 23:03.09 | fasta | mfrisch: gv can't |
| 23:03.20 | fasta | mfrisch: and I have another one that can't do it. |
| 23:03.33 | rebo123 | not a debian question |
| 23:03.42 | rebo123 | but has anyone ever seen an onboard ethernet port die? |
| 23:03.44 | fasta | mfrisch: so your statement of "most" would only be true if you can name 3 that can. |
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| 23:03.53 | rebo123 | I mean, how likely is that? |
| 23:04.00 | fasta | (at least 3, that is_ |
| 23:04.02 | fasta | ) |
| 23:04.15 | liquidfx | rebo123, yup i've seen it on several Dell boxes at a former job |
| 23:04.30 | rebo123 | sigh |
| 23:04.44 | purpleplether | hello all, i am having a very annoying problem when i download things from the synaptic manager |
| 23:04.44 | rebo123 | why is it always me |
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| 23:04.49 | Pc_Dark | backports doesn't even have python GTK 2.1... |
| 23:04.55 | rebo123 | exactly on the day that I have to be doing homework;) |
| 23:04.59 | execF00F | Rebo123: I've had at least two boxes, one with intel board and one with Asus board. PCI NIC fixed them both though. |
| 23:05.13 | Pc_Dark | i've wasted my day finding how much stuff that debian just leaves you hanging on. |
| 23:05.34 | mfrisch | fasta I'm thinking you are excluding pdf viewers and they mostly support ps |
| 23:05.43 | liquidfx | rebo123, yeah just go buy a cheap 10 PCI Nic at your local store....should be a simple install |
| 23:06.24 | rebo123 | I think I'll go do that |
| 23:06.32 | rebo123 | the weird thing is that the system recognizes it |
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| 23:06.44 | purpleplether | after they are installed, i can not find them, they are not on my menu |
| 23:06.45 | rebo123 | and even reports received packets |
| 23:06.54 | rebo123 | and the lights on both end of the ethernet cable are on |
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| 23:07.01 | rebo123 | and it even reports the link speed at 100mbps |
| 23:07.21 | liquidfx | rebo123, then how do you know it has died? |
| 23:07.22 | execF00F | so it gets an IP? |
| 23:07.22 | mfrisch | rebo123 ping your router |
| 23:07.24 | rebo123 | but can't ping or connect to anything |
| 23:07.27 | rebo123 | and no dhcp |
| 23:07.33 | fasta | mfrisch: That might be, but these often are _bloated_ programs. I need one that renders one page within half a second. |
| 23:07.41 | rebo123 | liquid: because if I connect that exact cable end to another computer, it works fine |
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| 23:07.55 | rebo123 | and I tried an ubuntu livecd (which connected fine before) |
| 23:07.57 | rebo123 | same symptom |
| 23:08.13 | mfrisch | fasta have you maned gv maybe there is a fullscreen flag? |
| 23:08.34 | rebo123 | so I don't think it's the router nor the cable nor the software configuration |
| 23:08.47 | liquidfx | have you tried and ifdown /ifup |
| 23:09.00 | rebo123 | liquidfx I even tried windows (Bart's PE) |
| 23:09.07 | Pc_Dark | how do I fix egg.trayicon |
| 23:09.15 | rebo123 | it's so bizzare |
| 23:09.20 | rebo123 | bizarre? |
| 23:09.24 | rebo123 | yah that's better |
| 23:09.30 | mfrisch | mobos break |
| 23:09.48 | purpleplether | does anyone know |
| 23:09.53 | fasta | mfrisch: yes, I tried gv. |
| 23:10.09 | liquidfx | yeah if windows can't run it there might be a problem with the board or at least that part of it... |
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| 23:11.01 | liquidfx | i'd say go get yourself a PCI NIC so you can get your work done as that will prolly be the fastest solution |
| 23:11.40 | rebo123 | think so too |
| 23:11.45 | mfrisch | purpleplether not every program installed is represented by a icon in a menu run dpkg -l|less to see whats on your system. some programs can only be accessed by a console some not |
| 23:11.49 | rebo123 | in fact I already undug a PCI NIC |
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| 23:11.54 | fasta | mfrisch: Hmm, I already know another solution |
| 23:11.56 | rebo123 | sticking it in now |
| 23:12.20 | solar_sea | erm, wtf, I tried to apt-get install hotplug, then it said that it's about to delete my kernel ?! |
| 23:12.45 | mfrisch | solar_sea new kernels don't use hotplug |
| 23:12.55 | rebo123 | ty for the help guys |
| 23:13.01 | solar_sea | okey .. and did apt-get made a backup ? |
| 23:13.26 | mfrisch | solar_sea did you actually remove the kernel look in /boot |
| 23:13.28 | rebo123 | I just thought (for some reason) that it'd be so unlikely for such an ethernet port to just go like that |
| 23:13.50 | solar_sea | nope, but it said it modified the grub menu list & the initrd |
| 23:14.00 | rebo123 | but since it happened (at least) 4 times just between the two of you |
| 23:14.02 | rebo123 | I guess I'm not alone :D |
| 23:14.17 | mfrisch | rebo123 you've never worked with dells than |
| 23:14.24 | rebo123 | that is true. |
| 23:15.04 | mfrisch | rebo123 I had gig s just replacing mobo's because this or that failed |
| 23:15.16 | xingu | rebo123: I'm guessing you've also never had a customer string cat5 between adjacent buildings and have it hit by lightning. |
| 23:15.17 | solar_sea | mfrisch, the kernel has been removed and the info about it from the menu.list has been purged |
| 23:15.22 | solar_sea | it there a way to restore it ? |
| 23:15.34 | rebo123 | xingu: LMAO |
| 23:15.42 | mfrisch | solar_sea run aptitude and reinstall a new kernel or the one that was on |
| 23:15.57 | mfrisch | solar_sea before you reboot |
| 23:16.03 | rebo123 | xingu: what happened after that |
| 23:16.04 | solar_sea | :) |
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| 23:16.54 | liquidfx | xingu, i've seen a customer do that |
| 23:17.13 | purpleplether | but the program i installed is a dictionary, it wouldn't make sense for it not to have a icon, no? |
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| 23:18.11 | xingu | rebo123: rather a lot of equipment was replaced; it arced into the building power in both buildings and took out everything between those two systems and the riser distribution board |
| 23:18.13 | mfrisch | purpleplether whats it called I'm sure you can access it from a xterm or vt then you can make a menu icon |
| 23:18.49 | xingu | rebo123: oh, and the two onboard ethernet ports on the two pc's were a little worse for wear too |
| 23:19.11 | Nyle | solar_sea, you like kde 3.5? |
| 23:19.21 | rebo123 | I can imagine lmao |
| 23:19.26 | rebo123 | that's ridiculous |
| 23:19.40 | solar_sea | Nyle sort of, why ? |
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| 23:19.42 | liquidfx | yeah it's insane what some people will do |
| 23:19.48 | Nyle | solar_sea just wondering. I love it |
| 23:20.28 | purpleplether | moby thesaurus |
| 23:20.33 | Nyle | who is peer, and why does he keep resetting connections? |
| 23:20.36 | Nyle | does ANYONE know? |
| 23:20.44 | Nyle | its been bothering me since I got on irc years ago |
| 23:20.47 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.49 | solar_sea | now, this little exercise I did with deleting & reinstalling my kernel must have deleted the modules also, right ? |
| 23:21.19 | mfrisch | we are peers on freenodes network |
| 23:21.19 | Nyle | always keep a stable spare kernel around |
| 23:21.29 | Nyle | but we didn't reset his connection did we? |
| 23:21.56 | liquidfx | c'mon Nyle, we know you did it |
| 23:22.04 | mfrisch | I thought its what said when they disconnect |
| 23:22.18 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:22.25 | Nyle | ok testing |
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| 23:22.53 | stoned | ok |
| 23:23.02 | stoned | lets see if the peer will reset me now |
| 23:23.11 | Nyle | nope |
| 23:23.16 | Nyle | it didn't reset me |
| 23:24.45 | mfrisch | well its got something to do with the network |
| 23:24.55 | Nyle | ahh |
| 23:25.01 | Nyle | connection forcibly closed by peer |
| 23:25.04 | Nyle | like exiting chat program |
| 23:25.12 | Nyle | not if you use /quit |
| 23:25.16 | Nyle | i love google |
| 23:25.42 | mfrisch | I was close |
| 23:25.45 | Nyle | yes you were |
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| 23:28.39 | Led_Zeppelin | I am trying to figure out why /tmp is keep filling up. lsof shows only cron as active, but /tmp is still filling up. |
| 23:28.41 | Led_Zeppelin | any advice? |
| 23:29.08 | LightKnight | filling up with what? |
| 23:29.32 | xingu | Led_Zeppelin: what does grep /tmp /proc/mounts say |
| 23:29.38 | Led_Zeppelin | LightKnight: No idea! df -k /tmp shows it as 100% but, du -s -k can't seem to find any files that will fill it up |
| 23:29.53 | LightKnight | ls -l /tmp ? |
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| 23:30.06 | LightKnight | ls -la /tmp, better |
| 23:30.20 | Led_Zeppelin | LightKnight: only 16 files |
| 23:30.53 | LightKnight | and their sizes don't sum up? |
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| 23:31.06 | Led_Zeppelin | LightKnight: no where even close! |
| 23:31.07 | Led_Zeppelin | heh |
| 23:31.25 | Led_Zeppelin | how can I see what file a process is using? |
| 23:31.28 | Led_Zeppelin | is there a feature? |
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| 23:31.50 | LightKnight | uhm... what filesystem/cluster size? Seems like an inodes problem. Did you try an fsck? |
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| 23:35.26 | mfrisch | solar_sea is implemented the slowest DOS attack on freenode |
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| 23:37.34 | purpleplether | mfrisch i tired to make a "launcher" and i can't even find the app in the list of things i have on my computer. |
| 23:38.07 | mfrisch | purpleplether dpkg -l shows it or not? |
| 23:38.29 | tuvwx | what does this mean? dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED libdha.so' not recognized |
| 23:39.12 | purpleplether | I don't know, i typed that in and then it showed me a bunch of stuff and I dont know what it all means, or what I'm looking for |
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| 23:39.47 | Sazpaimon | okay, so I just did a fresh reimage of debian sarge |
| 23:39.55 | Sazpaimon | I want to install lighttpd |
| 23:40.09 | Sazpaimon | is it avaliable on sarge anymore? I'm getting dependency errors |
| 23:40.10 | mfrisch | purpleplether something like ii kdict or whatever you installed type dpkg -l|grep packagename |
| 23:40.54 | purpleplether | ok, I found it, now what do i do |
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| 23:43.23 | Gnea | purpleplether: this is for kde? |
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| 23:43.48 | phreqmod | greetings gents |
| 23:43.49 | ofer0 | how do you install a .deb perl module ? |
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| 23:43.55 | purpleplether | no, its gnome |
| 23:43.57 | mfrisch | do a dpkg -L package name |less there will be a /usr/bin/packagename or /usr/bin/something when you type it into a console it doesn't need the /usr/bin/ now depending on your desktop for instance rt-clicking the menu button in kde and gnome I think will let you access the menu editer were you can add edit them |
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| 23:44.02 | tuvwx | what does this mean? dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED libdha.so' not recognized |
| 23:44.12 | Gnea | oh, even worse |
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| 23:44.35 | Gnea | tuvwx: sounds like corruption |
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| 23:45.00 | fdsfsf | http://taleworld.sytes.net Join Please |
| 23:45.06 | fdsfsf | http://taleworld.sytes.net Join Please |
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| 23:45.39 | obnauticus | Now, I'm new to debian, I'm looking for an image to download http://debian.osuosl.org/debian-cdimage/3.1_r5/alpha/iso-dvd/ there... |
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| 23:45.42 | obnauticus | I get both the 1 and 2 |
| 23:45.46 | obnauticus | im too used to gentoo/freebsd so... lol. |
| 23:46.27 | phreqmod | obnauticus, you want to install Debian right? |
| 23:46.27 | Vasistha | obnauticus: if you're not going to install on more than one machine, I'd just go with the net installer |
| 23:46.43 | obnauticus | Yes, phreqmod lol. |
| 23:46.45 | phreqmod | obnauticus, for your general use desktop machine? |
| 23:46.52 | obnauticus | Yes, desktop machine. |
| 23:46.57 | obnauticus | I already got FreeBSD running on my servers.. so. |
| 23:46.59 | Sazpaimon | so is sarge still outdated as far as a server environment goes? |
| 23:47.02 | obnauticus | and I don't want Ubuntu. |
| 23:47.06 | Sazpaimon | i remember it being really outdated a few years ago |
| 23:47.09 | phreqmod | obnauticus, as Vasistha said I would recommend getting the Etch netinstall image |
| 23:47.27 | Sazpaimon | do I even want to use sarge? |
| 23:47.29 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: what do you mean, "still"? sarge wasn't even released a "few" years ago ... and sarge's packages have not changed |
| 23:47.37 | obnauticus | phreqmod can you link me, because i don't know where that is lol. |
| 23:47.39 | phreqmod | obnauticus, it's a single CD that performs the installation fetching stuff from the net |
| 23:47.41 | Sazpaimon | hm |
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| 23:47.45 | Sazpaimon | well, stable then |
| 23:47.59 | Sazpaimon | last time I used Debian the stable packages were pretty outdated |
| 23:48.01 | phreqmod | obnauticus, just a small request, stop with the "lol" at the end of the sentences if you can :) |
| 23:48.04 | obnauticus | K. |
| 23:48.06 | phreqmod | obnauticus, just a sec. |
| 23:48.07 | Sazpaimon | then again, it has been a while |
| 23:48.28 | phreqmod | obnauticus, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:48.29 | obnauticus | thankyou, phreqmod. |
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| 23:48.37 | Sazpaimon | is sarge good for a server environment? or do I want etch? |
| 23:48.41 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: if that was woody, then ... well, woody's a few years older than sarge. Sarge is getting on the "old" side now, but as far as servers go ... well, check packages.debian.org to find out what versions are in sarge. |
| 23:48.48 | obnauticus | phreqmod do you suggest amd64? |
| 23:48.52 | phreqmod | obnauticus, more precisely http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:48.58 | Sazpaimon | what do most people use nowadays? etch? |
| 23:49.00 | obnauticus | Because I have a 64 bit, but im scared of compadibility. |
| 23:49.01 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: for servers, we usually recommend stable. |
| 23:49.05 | Sazpaimon | hm |
| 23:49.15 | Vasistha | !p.d.o |
| 23:49.16 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 23:49.18 | phreqmod | obnauticus, that's a daily built image of Debian's "testing", soon to be "stable" dist. |
| 23:49.23 | Sazpaimon | but what do most people use anyway? :P |
| 23:49.24 | obnauticus | K. |
| 23:49.58 | phreqmod | obnauticus, which for a desktop system is at this point in time a better chouhce than "stable". If it was a server however... |
| 23:50.02 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: just go look at packages.debian.org and see if "stable" has the versions of packages you want. Although, "etch" is now frozen, and may be stable "soon" |
| 23:50.26 | Sazpaimon | I'll stich with stable and use backports if I need to |
| 23:50.29 | obnauticus | OK, phreqmod. |
| 23:50.31 | Sazpaimon | *stick |
| 23:50.34 | obnauticus | Thankyou :) |
| 23:50.41 | wols | Sazpaimon: it's mainly a thing with hardware imho: if you need things only 2.6.18 supports: go etch |
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| 23:50.59 | Sazpaimon | I doubt it |
| 23:51.14 | Sazpaimon | I just need php4/5, lighttpd or apache, and I might install directadmin |
| 23:51.17 | purpleplether | mfrisch, ok, so i found it and I typed in -l|grep dict-moby-thesaurus, now i dont know what to do |
| 23:51.21 | Sazpaimon | along with other random network software |
| 23:51.34 | wols | Sazpaimon: php5 is not in sarge IIRC |
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| 23:51.39 | Sazpaimon | oh? |
| 23:51.49 | phreqmod | obnauticus, you can start installing, but I would recommend reading some of the stuff that dpkg will send to you in a sec, to get an idea on how Debian works |
| 23:51.50 | wols | need backports for it or etch |
| 23:51.57 | phreqmod | dpkg, tell obnauticus about grounding |
| 23:52.02 | Sazpaimon | I'll use backports |
| 23:52.12 | Sazpaimon | no sense in changing the entire distribution for one package |
| 23:52.26 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: yeah, that's a pretty sane way to go. |
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| 23:53.01 | phreqmod | obnauticus, most of the stuff will be equivalente to other GNU/Linux systems you have used (and plenty the same as any BSD), but there are some peculiarites, extra tools and methods on Debian that you should take time to get to know |
| 23:53.18 | Sazpaimon | lightttpd requires backports for sarge too, so I'll stick with that |
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| 23:56.42 | tuvwx | where does debian/rules binary get the package version for the generated .deb from? |
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| 23:57.49 | Miles_Prower | Heh! |
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| 23:57.59 | Miles_Prower | I compiled the new kernel without support for the controller of the drives in the RAID array. XD (Promise SATA300TX4) |
| 23:58.14 | Miles_Prower | so now i have to wait again. XD |
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| 23:59.38 | rebo123 | liquidfx: I think voodoo magic happened |
| 23:59.47 | Vasistha | tuvwx: the "generated" deb? How was it generated? |
| 23:59.48 | rebo123 | I swapped out a sound card for a $10 NIC |
