| 00:00.04 | tuvwx | Vasistha, by 'debian/rules binary' |
| 00:00.07 | rebo123 | and even though I didn't even have drivers for it |
| 00:00.07 | rebo123 | the onboard started working |
| 00:00.10 | rebo123 | automagically |
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| 00:00.26 | rebo123 | I think it's murphy's law |
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| 00:00.27 | Vasistha | tuvwx: oh .. heh, I guess that shows I'm incompetent to help |
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| 00:00.58 | pickcoder | anyone familiar with bahamut hub setups? |
| 00:01.53 | Sazpaimon | why are packages still getting held back even with dist-upgrade.. |
| 00:02.19 | jelly-home | rebo123: what if you don't have anything in that slot (neither the soundcard nor the nic)? |
| 00:02.26 | wols | Sazpaimon: have you installed stuff from other places? like bpo? |
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| 00:02.39 | Sazpaimon | bpo = backports? |
| 00:02.42 | Sazpaimon | if so yeah |
| 00:02.47 | Sazpaimon | that's what Im trying to do |
| 00:02.56 | Sazpaimon | I'm trying to add backports in so I can install lighttpd |
| 00:03.05 | wols | bpo doesn't need dist-upgrading. read the site |
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| 00:03.47 | wols | pickcoder: "anyone"-questions are bad, mkay? |
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| 00:04.13 | Sazpaimon | ah |
| 00:04.15 | Reiser_x | Nyle: do you know samba? |
| 00:04.22 | Sazpaimon | so I need to specifically specify backports |
| 00:04.23 | Sazpaimon | gotcha |
| 00:05.00 | wols | Reiser_x: you won't get answers to your problems this way |
| 00:05.26 | Reiser_x | what line i need to add to share resources in samba |
| 00:05.32 | Reiser_x | smb.conf |
| 00:05.41 | biz | Sazpaimon: apt-get -t sarge-backports install <backported package> |
| 00:05.44 | valdyn | Reiser_x: that file is self explanatory |
| 00:05.53 | Sazpaimon | yeah I see that now |
| 00:06.02 | wols | tuvwx: inside debian/ there is the version number somewhere IIRC |
| 00:06.10 | valdyn | Reiser_x: so you better ask which of the stuff in there isn't an obvious for you to cut and paste to share a resource |
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| 00:06.31 | fasta | How can I simply remove konquest? It's interfering with tab completion for konqueror |
| 00:06.43 | valdyn | !info konquest |
| 00:06.48 | fasta | apt-get remove konquest also wants to remove kde |
| 00:06.54 | dpkg | konquest: (KDE based GNU-Lactic Konquest game), section games, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 326 kB, Installed size: 676 kB |
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| 00:07.01 | fasta | (which is obviously not what I want) |
| 00:07.01 | valdyn | fasta: that's fine |
| 00:07.12 | militant | hey folks. anything special needed to burn on an hp cd-writer IDE? |
| 00:07.13 | fasta | valdyn: Gnome fan? ;) |
| 00:07.16 | wols | fasta: kde is only a meta package. nnothing lost when it's gone |
| 00:07.20 | valdyn | fasta: no, you misunderstand what the package 'kde' is |
| 00:07.21 | fasta | wols: oh, ok |
| 00:07.25 | fasta | valdyn: thanks |
| 00:07.28 | tuvwx | wols, i found a version line in a DEBIAN/control file somewhere in debian/, but 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' seems to overwrite it |
| 00:07.40 | wols | militant: 2.4 or 2.6? and no, nothing special |
| 00:07.59 | valdyn | fasta: removing the package kde really only affects new dependencies of that package, which would be new programs added to 'kde' |
| 00:08.07 | militant | 2.4, new debian install, bout to burn an ubuntu cd too |
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| 00:08.17 | fasta | valdyn: I understood that consequence already, but thanks for mentioning. |
| 00:08.20 | wols | militant: use 2.6 when doing burning |
| 00:08.23 | Reiser_x | i installed samba but the file /etc/samba/smbusers is no there |
| 00:08.30 | fasta | valdyn: it's basically a tagging system |
| 00:08.42 | weakwire | hi how can i downgrade libc6 from 2.5-0exp6 to 2.3.6.dsl-13? thank you |
| 00:08.43 | wols | Reiser_x: what for? |
| 00:08.50 | militant | i can't. that's why i'm burning an ubuntu disk - i'm having some trouble with debian and i'm gonna try something else, adn then put debian on another box later anyway |
| 00:08.55 | valdyn | Reiser_x: so? |
| 00:09.04 | pickcoder | wols: sometimes that's all you've got |
| 00:09.09 | Reiser_x | i am seeing the ubuntuguide |
| 00:09.17 | Reiser_x | it talk about that file to configure |
| 00:09.18 | pickcoder | I can't find docs for Bahamut regarding hub routing |
| 00:09.21 | wols | militant: I told you to use 2.6. and yes you can use 2.6 |
| 00:09.22 | valdyn | Reiser_x: evil guide |
| 00:09.33 | Nyle | Reiser_x heh, go to dal.net and ask them lol |
| 00:09.35 | wols | militant: with 2.4 you need crap like ide-scsi boot parameters and such |
| 00:09.42 | Nyle | er.. not Reiser_x but pickcoder |
| 00:09.44 | pickcoder | obviously no one has run Bahamut, which answers my question |
| 00:09.50 | Nyle | dal.net runs bahamut |
| 00:09.52 | biz | Reiser_x: read man smbpasswd? |
| 00:09.53 | Nyle | go ask em |
| 00:09.55 | wols | Reiser_x: teaches you right to look at ubuntu guides when trying to config debian |
| 00:09.58 | weakwire | anyone? |
| 00:09.58 | militant | wols: i'm having trouble with *kernel* stuff, i'm not used tot his new package method or whatever. i'm an old slacker, build your own manually, and i'm lost |
| 00:10.01 | valdyn | Reiser_x: you don't need that file, why would you think you do? |
| 00:10.02 | pickcoder | Nyle: no thank |
| 00:10.05 | tuvwx | wols, and i have no idea where did it get the version from to overwrite the modified control file |
| 00:10.06 | Nyle | pickcoder i know hehe |
| 00:10.18 | Reiser_x | ok |
| 00:10.26 | Reiser_x | http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch06.html |
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| 00:10.32 | Reiser_x | i will read that |
| 00:10.33 | wols | militant: then stop being lost and start reading docs. what trouble do you have with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:10.33 | pickcoder | so far I haven't found a decent irc server that interfaces with services |
| 00:10.41 | pickcoder | give me something better and I'll switch |
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| 00:11.06 | wols | !tell weakwire about downgrade |
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| 00:12.03 | wols | militant: all I can tell you is tha burning with 2.4 sucks. but if you like being a masochist: fine |
| 00:12.08 | militant | wols compiled one, got the wrong highpoint compiled in, it won't boot, i don't know how to remove it safely, and it won't let me compile another, for errors that are unclear |
| 00:12.26 | wols | militant: what is wrong with a debian kernel? |
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| 00:13.05 | militant | ehm, i'm ... i dunno, i guess i'm used to making my own? so it's exactly what i need, no cruft or junk? or is that not the usual practice these days? i'm 3 years past my last real linux box |
| 00:13.11 | militant | i'm very outdated |
| 00:13.12 | valdyn | militant: no one needs to use debian's system to compile a kernel, its just a nice tool to get it done. Slackware's 'method' works just fine |
| 00:13.34 | militant | ahh ok |
| 00:13.34 | wols | militant: it'S not normal to build your own kernel, no |
| 00:13.42 | militant | it was normal, 3-4 years ago |
| 00:13.43 | wols | you still can, but then you*'re expected to know how yourself |
| 00:13.54 | wols | it was normal to have 640k too |
| 00:14.15 | militant | i do, manually. wasn't aware that worked, didn't wanna foul something up further |
| 00:14.16 | militant | so |
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| 00:14.35 | militant | i can just wipe out the grub entry, delete the junk, re-fetch my sources, and go at it oldschool. |
| 00:14.36 | militant | good |
| 00:14.37 | militant | thanks man |
| 00:14.37 | wols | militant: you still haven't answered me: what prevents you from installing a debian 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:14.47 | militant | um, a pre-built one, you mean? |
| 00:14.51 | wols | yes |
| 00:14.54 | militant | oh |
| 00:14.56 | militant | nothing i guess |
| 00:14.59 | militant | just a preference |
| 00:15.02 | wols | so you can finally burn |
| 00:15.06 | militant | though i guess i could, for now, so my nvidia would work right etc |
| 00:15.14 | wols | exactly |
| 00:15.16 | militant | until i got used to doing things on my own anyway |
| 00:15.22 | valdyn | militant: if that kernel you want to remove is installed with a debian package, then you should remove that debian package |
| 00:15.24 | militant | then i wouldn't have ot switch to ubuntu |
| 00:15.34 | valdyn | militant: just for the sake of cleanliness, nothing much else |
| 00:16.05 | militant | ok |
| 00:16.12 | wols | militant: as for the way debian does it: it's a lot easier. all you need is run kernel-package after you ran make menuconfig. then you can easily install and more importantly uninstall the deb it created cleanly |
| 00:16.33 | amphi | yeah, make-kpkg is very handy |
| 00:16.40 | Vasistha | Is there some compelling reason *not* to manually edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? dpkg's blacklist factoid says something about `install module_name /bin/true` for etch |
| 00:16.46 | wols | debian is one of the few distros which can easily use a vanilla source kernel without any problems or fuss |
| 00:16.49 | militant | how does one go about just magically installing a fresh 2.6 kernel the quickest and most generic way, then? (yeah that's the issue, it won't let me toss the .deb right now) |
| 00:16.58 | wols | which is nice compared to the patched nightmare that is other distro kernels... |
| 00:17.07 | valdyn | Vasistha: yea, its silly to touch that file unless you need to _remove_ something from there |
| 00:17.14 | wols | apt-get install as anything else |
| 00:17.48 | militant | any particular package name? there's a jillion from a search |
| 00:17.59 | amphi | wols: really? vanilla kernels don't work well on other distros? |
| 00:18.00 | wols | depends on your cpu |
| 00:18.10 | valdyn | Vasistha: its a distro maintained file. Since you use debian you also assume that the devs are going their job ok, so you leave that file alone and let debian maintain it and add your custom blacklist to a random new file of your choice |
| 00:18.12 | wols | there is only one 2.6 version in the repos and just compiled for different cpus |
| 00:18.14 | Vasistha | valdyn: so, are you implying that simply adding 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf supercedes blacklisting in /etc/modules.d ? |
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| 00:18.26 | militant | athlon. older box than my others. |
| 00:18.31 | wols | amphi: usually some thing then break. e.g. their supermount stuff, etc |
| 00:18.38 | wols | militant: get a k7 then |
| 00:18.41 | militant | ok |
| 00:18.43 | militant | lemme dig |
| 00:18.48 | valdyn | Vasistha: no, not at all |
| 00:18.52 | amphi | wols: uhuh - I wasn't aware of that |
| 00:19.11 | amphi | wols: 'supermount' being some automount thing? |
| 00:19.17 | wols | amphi: RH, SuSE and mdk are heavily patched usually |
| 00:19.19 | wols | yes |
| 00:19.26 | Vasistha | valdyn: okay ... so do I need to add skips to the discover.conf, *and* make a custom blacklist? |
| 00:19.28 | wols | IIRC suses has >100 patches |
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| 00:19.35 | militant | kernel-image-2.6-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD K7. i'd guess. word. |
| 00:19.36 | Reiser_x | wolds: ready, i can see the shares |
| 00:19.40 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 00:19.40 | valdyn | !test |
| 00:19.40 | wols | yes |
| 00:19.41 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 00:19.41 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 00:19.44 | militant | sweet |
| 00:19.44 | militant | brb |
| 00:19.57 | amphi | wols: uhuh, thanks |
| 00:20.02 | Reiser_x | i only need to configure write |
| 00:20.22 | Vasistha | valdyn: well... yeah. I read that, and am trying to get clarification on what to do ... how does this "install module_name /bin/true" work ... what does it do?? |
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| 00:20.45 | valdyn | Vasistha: yea, i jsut read that factoid the first time.. explanation coming |
| 00:20.50 | militant | wols it's goin. thanks, you've been helpful |
| 00:20.53 | Vasistha | heh okay :-) |
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| 00:21.28 | valdyn | Vasistha: this 'install module_name' effectively makes 'modprobe foo' load nothing at all. This way discover is tricked into not loading that module |
| 00:21.31 | militant | saved me from wandering to another distro. not that i can't read/learn, i just need certain things to work *now*, tonight, so ... :) |
| 00:21.40 | Reiser_x | wols: ready, i can write |
| 00:21.42 | fasta | A lot of these ps viewers are crippled because they don't take command line arguments... while they do have a GUI interface.... |
| 00:21.56 | valdyn | Vasistha: i would remove discover alltogether |
| 00:22.04 | militant | wow |
| 00:22.05 | militant | done already |
| 00:22.07 | militant | grub updated and all |
| 00:22.08 | militant | cheez. |
| 00:22.13 | militant | stuff has changed. |
| 00:22.17 | wols | militant: and that is why kernel debs are good |
| 00:22.29 | militant | i might like this. |
| 00:22.34 | militant | heh, guess i'll go reboot. bbiaf |
| 00:22.36 | militant | thanks man |
| 00:22.44 | valdyn | Vasistha: and use the 'blacklist foo' in /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist.custom or similar, but what dpkg is right is fine if you want to keep discover ( or discover1 ) |
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| 00:24.11 | wols | Reiser_x: why do you want to write when you should read? |
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| 00:24.32 | ebw | which tool is used to decode an base64 encoded file ? |
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| 00:24.44 | Vasistha | valdyn: so, let's see ... you're recommending that I should figure out what modules my system needs, and then stop using discover, and not worry about all this blacklisting? |
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| 00:25.09 | wols | ebw: mimedecode |
| 00:25.12 | valdyn | Vasistha: no, you should have udev already, that autoloads about everything already |
| 00:25.14 | ebw | wols thanks |
| 00:25.36 | wols | valdyn: if he uses etch |
| 00:25.40 | Vasistha | I do |
| 00:25.56 | wols | then you shouldn't even have discover |
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| 00:27.03 | valdyn | Vasistha: every 2.6 kernel has its own 'database' of device and drivers to load for each. udev completes this mechanism, discover is almost pointless |
| 00:27.04 | Vasistha | well... I do. I'd imagine it's a relic from before the upgrade from sarge? Shall I just uninstall discover, then? |
| 00:27.16 | valdyn | Vasistha: try and see |
| 00:27.47 | valdyn | Vasistha: i don't know how up to date discover's device DB is, i never use it... |
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| 00:28.27 | valdyn | Vasistha: i have 1 device that the kernel has no entry for in its db, so i do indeed load that driver via /etc/modules. That's probably a rare exception |
| 00:28.56 | valdyn | Vasistha: ( no idea if discover would load that driver ...) |
| 00:29.01 | Vasistha | alright, so I guess I'll aptitude remove --purge discover1 discover1-data libdiscover1 |
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| 00:29.16 | Vasistha | ... and, worst comes to worst, I can (hopefully boot) and reinstall it |
| 00:29.17 | Phati | hi |
| 00:29.39 | Phati | Ich versuche gerade ein paket zu erstellen .. aber es scheitert mit der fehlermeldung: dh_clean: Sorry, but 4 is the highest compatibility level of debhelper currently supported. ... was ist damit gemeint? |
| 00:29.51 | valdyn | Vasistha: right, disocver only comes into place after your system is already booting fine |
| 00:29.55 | Phati | oh sry, wrong channel |
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| 00:30.14 | Ankman | Phati: versuche debian-de |
| 00:30.26 | Phati | Ankman: thanks |
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| 00:30.47 | valdyn | Phati: you're trying to install a package that is to new for your distro ( probably sarge ) |
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| 00:31.13 | iamtheric | i conquer |
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| 00:32.01 | wols | iamtheric: what do you conquer? |
| 00:32.29 | valdyn | concur? |
| 00:32.29 | iamtheric | as in agree, i just never learned to spell it |
| 00:32.35 | iamtheric | oic |
| 00:32.39 | iamtheric | ty |
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| 00:33.06 | sprink | Is 'tail' not in sarge? |
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| 00:33.17 | valdyn | sprink: why would you think so? |
| 00:33.17 | wols | sprink: it is |
| 00:33.23 | Sazpaimon | odd |
| 00:33.24 | wols | probably text-utils or shell-utils or so |
| 00:33.32 | Sazpaimon | useradd isnt properly making my homedir |
| 00:33.47 | sprink | I can't seem to find it with apt-cache search or aptitude search |
| 00:33.59 | Vasistha | more like coreutils |
| 00:34.00 | wols | sprink: coreutils |
| 00:34.00 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: that's expected ( depending on the command line you used ), use 'adduser' |
| 00:34.07 | sprink | ah. thanks |
| 00:34.08 | Sazpaimon | doh |
| 00:34.09 | wols | sprink: it's not a package and it's already installed |
| 00:34.18 | Vasistha | sprink: `which tail` |
| 00:34.22 | Sazpaimon | yeah that did it, thanks |
| 00:34.27 | ebw | wols: mimedecode simply behaves like echo to me. It doesn't change anything on the file in a cat file | mimedecode |
| 00:34.28 | sprink | hmm.. haha sorry. thanks :P |
| 00:35.00 | wols | ebw: you going for a useless use of cat award |
| 00:35.14 | ebw | wols: that really helps |
| 00:35.23 | Sazpaimon | heh, why is /root 755 |
| 00:35.31 | ebw | wols: tell me to improve |
| 00:36.00 | wols | ebw: easy. man mimedecode |
| 00:36.06 | trelly | root is very generous with his/her permissions if 755 |
| 00:36.21 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: because users home dirs are worls readable by default? |
| 00:36.26 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: because users home dirs are world readable by default? |
| 00:36.39 | ebw | wols: I read this, maybe I didn't understood it. I repeat mimedecode reads the message from stdin and writes to stdout. |
| 00:36.42 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: its a debconf question too, not sure which package |
| 00:36.54 | Sazpaimon | ah |
| 00:37.06 | ebw | wols: This means I have to get the message on stdin, what can I do differently from using cat and | ? |
| 00:37.10 | Sazpaimon | i wasn't aware, my old fedora intall had /root denied |
| 00:37.26 | Vasistha | ebw: <file mimedecode |
| 00:37.30 | wols | ebw: apt-cache search base64. take your pick then |
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| 00:37.46 | Vasistha | ebw: or, mimedecode <file |
| 00:37.51 | militant | wols it booted up just fine, far fewer errors/etc |
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| 00:38.05 | Vasistha | ebw: depending on which makes more sense to you :-) Or if it's easier, you can persist in the useless use of cat |
| 00:38.25 | Phati | I try to build a package, but i get this error: dh_clean: Sorry, but 4 is the highest compatibility level of debhelper currently supported ... what does that mean and what can i do? |
| 00:38.26 | militant | just 2 more things, getting geforce3 working, and seeing if sound needs any helping along. to google i go |
| 00:38.39 | valdyn | Phati: you're trying to install a package that is to new for your distro ( probably sarge ) |
| 00:38.44 | wols | Phati: it eans you tried to install a deb which is not for your release of debian |
| 00:38.57 | ebw | vasistha: now mimedecode behaves like cat, it simply displays the base64 encoded data, and didn't change anything. |
| 00:39.20 | wols | ebw: use uudeview then I guess |
| 00:39.36 | PumpkinPie | how do I find which config file apache is using? |
| 00:39.43 | Vasistha | ebw: well, except that it's outputting data from stdin, rather than data from a named file |
| 00:40.09 | wols | PumpkinPie: is it a debian apacka? |
| 00:40.09 | Vasistha | although cat can do that too |
| 00:40.19 | keram | you may remember that i had a nfs question earlier |
| 00:40.24 | wols | PumpkinPie: and if so, which version? |
| 00:40.28 | keram | well the box that was running the nfs server just crashed |
| 00:40.32 | Phati | valdyn: okay thx ... but it shouldnt be to new ... its a vdr plugin, i tried to buld it with "debianize-vdrplugin" and "dpkg-buildpackage" |
| 00:40.33 | keram | and i am now on it |
| 00:40.34 | fasta | valdyn: I am still using discover (Unstable), but when I want to delete it there are lots of dependencies. I am using a Debian kernel. |
| 00:40.45 | PumpkinPie | wols: its a apache 1.3 debian package |
| 00:40.47 | wols | fasta: have you installed udev? |
| 00:40.50 | fasta | wols: yes |
| 00:40.58 | keram | i had to make a change to the exports file and then i reloaded the nfs-kernel-server and i got this error |
| 00:41.00 | wols | PumpkinPie: /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 00:41.01 | keram | http://rafb.net/p/J1VOEG96.html |
| 00:41.09 | keram | i did not get this before my box crashed |
| 00:41.10 | wols | PumpkinPie: all your config giles are in /etc/apache/ |
| 00:41.23 | ebw | uudeview did it |
| 00:41.24 | ebw | thanks |
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| 00:41.37 | wols | fasta: what does apt want to remove then? |
| 00:42.02 | fasta | wols: about 270(!) packages. |
| 00:42.47 | wols | keram: where is there an error in that paste? I doN't see any |
| 00:43.09 | wols | keram: and the things written there are self explanatory |
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| 00:43.11 | keram | so it should be working ifne? |
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| 00:43.20 | sid | What is the sftp syntax to connect to an ip that isn't using default sshd port? |
| 00:43.39 | wols | sid: tried hostmame:port ? |
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| 00:43.58 | wols | keram: for now? yes |
| 00:43.59 | sid | wols: yes |
| 00:44.06 | militant | wols these debian nvidia instructions make no sense. they're dependent upon files that don't exist... |
| 00:44.07 | sid | wols: sftp sid@ip:port |
| 00:44.14 | fasta | wols: I suppose you got your answer? |
| 00:44.18 | sid | wols: That doesn't work. |
| 00:44.21 | wols | !tell militant about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:44.33 | militant | oh |
| 00:44.33 | militant | word. |
| 00:44.36 | militant | HEH |
| 00:44.38 | wols | fasta: mostly. but I think your sid is broken. not dist-upgraded or something so some package has an old dependency |
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| 00:45.02 | militant | wow. if this works it's the best linux help i've ever gotten |
| 00:45.16 | Vasistha | valdyn: so, as one example, I'd like to not load the irda module on boot, because I never use it. But, suppose one day I decide I want to use it. Wouldn't `install irda /dev/true` make it impossible to manually load it with modprobe? |
| 00:45.19 | fasta | wols: meaning? That it's beyong repair? |
| 00:45.23 | fasta | er beyond |
| 00:45.51 | wols | fasta: meaning your sid is not properly updated. e.g. maybe a bckport ro so clogging up the works |
| 00:45.58 | militant | wols: Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 00:45.58 | militant | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 00:45.58 | militant | is only available from another source |
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| 00:46.07 | militant | err SORRY. didn't recognize the breaks |
| 00:46.15 | wols | militant: etch or sarge? |
| 00:46.17 | militant | all this package stuff confuses me. |
| 00:46.32 | militant | sarge, i'd assume? came with a 2.4 kernel |
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| 00:47.01 | militant | lol |
| 00:47.02 | militant | yeah it's sarge |
| 00:47.06 | wols | militant: you need non-free obviously |
| 00:47.12 | fasta | wols: I never installed a back port, and only used Debian tools to do stuff with packages and didn't force anything in at least one year. |
| 00:47.13 | militant | non-free. ok. |
| 00:47.23 | wols | and contrib |
| 00:47.38 | militant | contrib. hm. |
| 00:47.49 | wols | as dpkg told you: Contrib and non-free sources needed. |
| 00:48.02 | fasta | wols: (but I do not expect you to use your crystal ball and find the source). Thanks |
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| 00:48.10 | militant | ok, i'm unclear on what that requires of me. google will know |
| 00:48.27 | fasta | !contrib |
| 00:48.27 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 00:48.33 | wols | in your sources.list add "non-free contrib" at the end of your sarge sources line |
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| 00:48.48 | militant | oh ok |
| 00:48.49 | militant | hang |
| 00:48.56 | fasta | militant: dpkg probably knows the most in this channel ;) |
| 00:48.58 | wols | and run apt-get update afterwards of course |
| 00:49.11 | Nyle | dpkg knows close to 30k things |
| 00:49.13 | Nyle | i think |
| 00:49.15 | Nyle | or more |
| 00:49.25 | fasta | Nyle: >36K last time I checked |
| 00:49.29 | wols | certainly more than the average human |
| 00:49.34 | Nyle | absolutely |
| 00:49.45 | Nyle | lets just hope it doesn't turn out that we're in the matrix |
| 00:49.46 | fasta | wols: (about Debian, yes) |
| 00:49.49 | Nyle | that would kinda suck |
| 00:50.02 | fasta | Nyle: that's impossible to detect :) |
| 00:50.08 | Nyle | well true |
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| 00:50.26 | Nyle | how do you know dreams this is reality and not the dreams |
| 00:50.31 | IamEthos | if I want to remove apache2 and all dependencies, what do I do? |
| 00:50.32 | Nyle | maybe dreams are real and this is fake |
| 00:50.45 | militant | wols: just "non-free contrib" pasted on the last line of /etc/apt/sources.list ?? |
| 00:50.51 | IamEthos | apt-get remove apache2 ...? |
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| 00:51.16 | Nyle | what if the matrix is running like debian as the backend |
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| 00:51.17 | militant | kuz that didn't work..oh |
| 00:51.17 | Vasistha | IamEthos: that *might* remove dependencies. It's better to use aptitude, which automatically takes care of that stuff for you :P |
| 00:51.17 | militant | duh |
| 00:51.20 | militant | nevermind |
| 00:51.20 | Nyle | lol, I'm goofy |
| 00:51.24 | fasta | Nyle: Nobody knows, but a nice argument would be that the real world is more consistent than dreams? |
| 00:52.10 | Nyle | I want debian to take over the world |
| 00:52.31 | fasta | Nyle: according to some statistical arguments, the probability of us not being in a simulation is next to zero. |
| 00:52.46 | Nyle | I was never good at math or probabilitileldhadf |
| 00:52.49 | Nyle | see I can't even spell |
| 00:52.51 | fasta | Nyle: not that those arguments are very strong, since they have assumptions :) |
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| 00:53.20 | Nyle | i think i finally got this virtual machine setup |
| 00:53.25 | Nyle | now I can get back on debian |
| 00:53.25 | fasta | http://www.simulation-argument.com/ |
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| 00:53.59 | wols | IamEthos: remove apache2-common instead |
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| 00:54.13 | wols | militant: do you have a line for sarge which points to a website or ftp? |
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| 00:54.30 | fasta | Heh, I never checked the author of that article. |
| 00:54.31 | militant | just fixed it. it's goin. |
| 00:54.32 | militant | i think |
| 00:54.32 | pickcoder | yay.. got my irc network working |
| 00:54.37 | pickcoder | who needs docs... |
| 00:54.47 | fasta | He probably just wants to sell his books :P |
| 00:55.15 | militant | yeah |
| 00:55.26 | militant | militant 4 the win! heh. |
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| 00:55.53 | militant | wow is it actually hand-selecting a kernel that matches my current config but has the nvidia stuff in it too? |
| 00:56.16 | bintut | i'm confused if i should upgrade to xmms2 or use banshee instead or just stick with xmms? is xmms will still be supported on debian etch? |
| 00:56.21 | wols | militant: huh? |
| 00:56.46 | wols | bintut: xmms2 is console based |
| 00:57.01 | bintut | wols: there is a gui client for xmms2 |
| 00:57.14 | wols | militant: "nvidia stuff" is non free. it can't be in a kernel |
| 00:57.21 | militant | yeah |
| 00:57.25 | militant | i'm vaguely aware of that |
| 00:57.37 | bintut | wols: but my worry with xmms2 is i believe it's not that stable as xmms and it doesn't have much features compared to xmms |
| 00:57.54 | trelly | use mplayer |
| 00:58.05 | militant | uh, getting an error, looks rather serious, but it continued past that and said it completed anyway |
| 00:58.50 | militant | hmmm since it *builds* the nvidia stuff, maybe i shouldn't have x running while it's doing it... it complained about it before when i tried the manual install |
| 00:59.46 | wols | what error? |
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| 01:00.28 | militant | long one, should i put in query |
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| 01:01.34 | wols | no |
| 01:01.35 | wols | !paster |
| 01:01.35 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 01:01.50 | IamEthos | okay, is apache2 supposed to be weird when I startup? |
| 01:01.56 | IamEthos | I do /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 01:02.00 | IamEthos | and I get no output at all |
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| 01:02.40 | wols | IamEthos: why do you want output? |
| 01:02.43 | militant | oh, it's one line here |
| 01:02.44 | militant | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-3-k7. nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-3-k7 depends on nvidia-kernel-common (>= 1.0.7174); however. Package nvidia-kernel-common is not installed. |
| 01:02.44 | dpkg | militant: that's too long |
| 01:02.59 | wols | I don't want my apache to give me output, I want it to bind to port 80 and serve pages |
| 01:03.17 | wols | militant: install the things it thinks it needs |
| 01:03.25 | militant | ehm |
| 01:03.38 | kousek | hello. i might find a bug in krfb: it is trying to listen on IPv6 and i cannot connect to it... :( |
| 01:03.39 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 01:04.00 | militant | it is installed. it complained about it but... it's there. |
| 01:04.13 | militant | nvidia-kernel-common is already the newest version |
| 01:04.15 | Sazpaimon | alright |
| 01:04.24 | wols | militant: then I'd ignore it |
| 01:04.24 | IamEthos | wols, well, it would be nice if it told me that it's started successfully |
| 01:04.26 | Sazpaimon | Im guessing I need bind to set up multiple IPs on one box right? |
| 01:04.26 | militant | ok |
| 01:04.31 | militant | then i'll reboot and see what's up |
| 01:04.33 | IamEthos | wols, or that it's doing something at all |
| 01:04.45 | wols | IamEthos: have you checked? |
| 01:04.45 | IamEthos | it doesn't appear to have started |
| 01:04.52 | IamEthos | wols, yes |
| 01:04.58 | wols | IamEthos: why "appear". have you checked or not? |
| 01:05.04 | wols | if it doesn't run: check the logs instead |
| 01:05.15 | pickcoder | IamEthos: are you sure "apache" was installed? there's also apache2 |
| 01:05.21 | kousek | can please anyone confirm for me that krfb is working or not? (and do lsof -i -n |grep 590 to see the line??) |
| 01:05.34 | pickcoder | both have init scripts |
| 01:05.36 | IamEthos | pickcoder, I installed apache2 |
| 01:05.37 | pickcoder | named the same |
| 01:05.43 | pickcoder | then you should be running apache2 |
| 01:05.45 | IamEthos | and I'm doing /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 01:05.49 | pickcoder | ok |
| 01:05.56 | pickcoder | check /etc/default/apache2 |
| 01:06.02 | wols | IamEthos: it will output: Starting web server (apache2).... |
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| 01:06.48 | wols | IamEthos: and this is from the init script so even if apache doesn't start, it will print that line |
| 01:06.51 | pickcoder | NO_START should be 0 |
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| 01:07.22 | pickcoder | poof |
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| 01:09.59 | IamEthos | wols, cool, I've got it working. pickcoder, thanks for your help too |
| 01:10.05 | IamEthos | but now I'm rather annoed |
| 01:10.07 | IamEthos | *annoyed |
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| 01:10.16 | IamEthos | because I know I installed apache first |
| 01:10.20 | IamEthos | then I attempted to remove it |
| 01:10.26 | IamEthos | then I installed apache2 |
| 01:10.36 | IamEthos | then I found out you have to remove the apache-common package |
| 01:10.50 | IamEthos | so right now, I know that apache 2 is working, but I don't know what's going on with everything else |
| 01:10.53 | militant | wols ... how do i know it's there? i didn't see anything in dmesg and i still can't chagne my resolution above 800x600 |
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| 01:12.31 | Azar | hey nice graycat and r00t: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 01:12.37 | pickcoder | IamEthos: just remove the init.d script for apache and you don't have to worry about the rest |
| 01:12.52 | pickcoder | you can dpkg --purge <package> to clear all the config stuff |
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| 01:14.33 | wols | dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 01:14.33 | dpkg | ii nvidia* 3.6-11 wols's private stamp collection |
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| 01:14.44 | Sazpaimon | I need bind to set up multiple IPs on one box...right? |
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| 01:15.04 | wols | Sazpaimon: bind? a DNS server? |
| 01:15.10 | pickcoder | you need virtual devices configs |
| 01:15.12 | Sazpaimon | hm |
| 01:15.13 | pickcoder | or multiple nics |
| 01:15.15 | Sazpaimon | yeah your right |
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| 01:15.32 | Sazpaimon | I've never had to do this manually before |
| 01:15.38 | wols | !tell Sazpaimon about interfaces |
| 01:15.50 | militant | wols No packages found matching nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-3_i386.deb. |
| 01:15.50 | trelly | isn't there multiple virtual nic? |
| 01:15.51 | militant | heh |
| 01:15.52 | militant | jeez. |
| 01:15.59 | Sazpaimon | thank |
| 01:16.01 | Sazpaimon | *thanks |
| 01:16.28 | militant | wait |
| 01:16.29 | wols | militant: how did you try to install it? |
| 01:16.35 | militant | with the one-liner |
| 01:16.40 | militant | anyway |
| 01:16.41 | militant | hold on |
| 01:16.44 | Sazpaimon | all I remember from my old box is that I had stuff like eth0:0 and eth0:1, etc |
| 01:17.01 | trelly | that looks like the virtual nics |
| 01:17.04 | pickcoder | Sazpaimon: those are virtuals, which you can do on Debian |
| 01:17.30 | Sazpaimon | cool |
| 01:17.36 | Sazpaimon | I'll try to look into it |
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| 01:18.13 | trelly | Saz* nics are like $1 at the corner used computer store - do you have slots available ? |
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| 01:18.53 | Sazpaimon | on a remote server? :P |
| 01:19.07 | pickcoder | Sazpaimon: the naming convention is that same for /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:19.46 | pickcoder | that=the |
| 01:19.55 | IamEthos | okay |
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| 01:20.02 | IamEthos | so I don't know where the correct httpd.conf file is |
| 01:20.16 | pickcoder | IamEthos: have you configured Apache 2 before? |
| 01:20.26 | IamEthos | /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is empty |
| 01:20.40 | IamEthos | and /etc/apache/httpd.conf is not |
| 01:20.47 | IamEthos | pickcoder, a while ago |
| 01:20.48 | IamEthos | wait |
| 01:20.53 | IamEthos | is there not an httpd.conf anymore? |
| 01:21.06 | wols | IamEthos: /etc/apache2/README |
| 01:21.10 | IamEthos | I'm starting to remember now, it was weird. |
| 01:21.12 | mikefoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.22 | pickcoder | httpd.conf only contains global params for the server |
| 01:21.31 | wols | mikefoo: man smb.conf |
| 01:21.40 | pickcoder | site stuff is under the sites-available, which is symlinked into sites-enabled for stuff you want active |
| 01:21.42 | mikefoo | yeah I did.. i tried a public directory |
| 01:21.46 | IamEthos | wols, I don't have that file |
| 01:21.52 | mikefoo | maybe I am not understanding something.. |
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| 01:22.04 | wols | IamEthos: then you haven't installed a debian package |
| 01:22.14 | IamEthos | wols, sure I did. |
| 01:22.23 | pickcoder | wols: I don't have it either |
| 01:22.24 | pickcoder | Etch |
| 01:22.33 | pickcoder | it's only on Sarge |
| 01:22.34 | IamEthos | wols, etch here too |
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| 01:22.36 | wols | IamEthos: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=apache2%2FREADME&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
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| 01:23.11 | IamEthos | wols, that file is apparently not in the etch package |
| 01:23.45 | IamEthos | pickcoder, my /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is completely empty though |
| 01:23.47 | wols | IamEthos: apache2.conf or better for your own stuff: conf.d/ |
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| 01:23.59 | torrrrr | how can I make the screen not start gnome? |
| 01:24.03 | pickcoder | it should be empty |
| 01:24.13 | torrrrr | I mean gnome login screen |
| 01:24.37 | enouf | what's wrong with goold ol' grep? locate apache | grep README |
| 01:24.38 | wols | torrrrr: what "screen"? if you mean gdm: stop it in your init.d settings |
| 01:25.08 | torrrrr | wols, can I make this permenent? |
| 01:25.14 | enouf | may want to run updatedb first though ;-) |
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| 01:25.31 | wols | torrrrr: yes. man update-rc.d |
| 01:25.45 | maddash | man update- |
| 01:26.04 | merlincorey | if I ifup can't find the device referenced by the name I gave it, where do I look to see what it should be? |
| 01:26.15 | wols | merlincorey: ifconfig -a |
| 01:26.24 | wols | merlincorey: didn't I tell you that before? |
| 01:26.40 | merlincorey | yes, I am not sure that's what I am asking though |
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| 01:26.48 | merlincorey | or rather |
| 01:26.58 | merlincorey | based on the answer, I don't think I asked the right question |
| 01:27.11 | wols | it is. if the interface exist, it will show up there. if it doesn't exist, no ifup in the world will bring it up |
| 01:28.30 | pickcoder | merlincorey: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:28.31 | wols | merlincorey: load driver, run ifconfig -a to check if it's loaded. if it is. connitune |
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| 01:29.01 | Sazpaimon | damn |
| 01:29.12 | Sazpaimon | is setting up virtual nics supposed to be this complicated? |
| 01:29.13 | IamEthos | does anyone happen to know why the httpd.conf file was split up into several files? |
| 01:29.29 | IamEthos | I mean, what was wrong with one big file/ |
| 01:29.31 | pickcoder | Sazpaimon: it's not |
| 01:29.51 | pickcoder | IamEthos: one big file is monolithic and hard to organize and maintain |
| 01:29.51 | Sazpaimon | well I'm just retarded then |
| 01:29.57 | pickcoder | I like the multi-site configs |
| 01:29.59 | wols | IamEthos: cause otherwise adding and removing things like php would be very complicated. hence, conf.d |
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| 01:30.47 | pickcoder | Sazpaimon: pick the eth device you want to virtualize and add another interfaces block with a virtual name and configure it |
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| 01:31.06 | pythonic | can i install both ruby i386 and ruby amd64 packages? |
| 01:31.28 | mikefoo | Anyone know of a way to raid 3 USB drives? |
| 01:31.28 | pythonic | (on amd64 machine) |
| 01:31.46 | pickcoder | pythonic: only if there is a 32-bit and a 64-bit package for it |
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| 01:31.52 | wols | mikefoo: software raid should be able to. it's sick but doable I'd say |
| 01:32.01 | Sazpaimon | pickcoder, so wait, instead of iface eth0 inet dhcp I have iface eth0:1 inet *addr* |
| 01:32.02 | Sazpaimon | right? |
| 01:32.08 | Sazpaimon | or di I have it all backwards |
| 01:32.14 | pickcoder | eth0:0 would be the first virtual device |
| 01:32.16 | mikefoo | wols: I think a hacked up rsync would be better, no? |
| 01:32.29 | Sazpaimon | ok, eth0:0 then |
| 01:32.33 | Sazpaimon | do i have the right idea? |
| 01:32.34 | pickcoder | Sazpaimon: man interfaces |
| 01:32.38 | wols | how would it be better? |
| 01:32.49 | pickcoder | everythinig is in there except the virtual naming bit |
| 01:32.55 | pythonic | i'm using the amd64 ruby package atm, but i need to compile a ruby extension that links to a i386 library. so i need to install ruby i386 libraries too. |
| 01:32.58 | phreqmod | IIRC one can even use names like eth:www, eth:ora, etc. |
| 01:33.11 | wols | and how can rsync act as a block device? perhapswith fuse but that would be even more assbackwards |
| 01:33.20 | Sazpaimon | and I need to set them as static right? |
| 01:33.35 | rfrank | madness? |
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| 01:33.46 | wols | phreqmod: you can only use the extension in i386 ruby programs tho. not x86-64 ones |
| 01:33.50 | trelly | stark raving black madness |
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| 01:34.05 | morvok | hey all. |
| 01:34.21 | Red_Cloud | I have a problem. I have locked myself out of my debian and need to have the /boot/grub/menu.lst entry syntax for my OS. I know which partition that it is on but do not know the syntax for the root, kernel, and initrd. Help? |
| 01:34.24 | phreqmod | wols, uh? Ruby? is Ruby involved in ethenet alias? |
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| 01:34.27 | pythonic | wols: that's ok. but i can have both i386 and amd64 ruby libraries installed? |
| 01:34.52 | wols | pythonic: probably. don't run 64bit here |
| 01:35.10 | morvok | does anyone know of a package that works the same as the rivatv project? |
| 01:35.13 | wols | Red_Cloud: what is your kernel version? |
| 01:35.20 | phreqmod | wols, never mind, you probably meant pythonic back there |
| 01:35.28 | merlincorey | yeah, the driver is loaded and such... I think this box may just have been botched; I have ndiswrapper and all that on it, ndiswrapper -l shows the driver present and the hardware present, and I now am calling it the eth0 it expects instead of the wlan0 I thought it was gonna be, but I keep getting errors when I try to bring it up, specifically, something about SIOCSIFFLAGS which I have not yet looked up (but am right now) |
| 01:35.29 | Red_Cloud | 2.6.18.xx |
| 01:35.59 | wols | Red_Cloud: .xx doesn't cut it. you need exact name |
| 01:36.14 | wols | Red_Cloud: or you can try /vmlinuz, which might work |
| 01:36.20 | sprink | hmm.. topics a little out of date isn't it? |
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| 01:36.29 | Red_Cloud | wols let me think for a while |
| 01:36.41 | Red_Cloud | 2.6.18.27 |
| 01:36.43 | wols | Red_Cloud: try /vmlinúz, it should work |
| 01:36.53 | wols | Red_Cloud: rest is reasy, all you need is root= |
| 01:37.04 | wols | Red_Cloud: that is no debian kernel in any way |
| 01:37.05 | torrrrr | wols, this update-rc.d have these argument stop NN runlevel [runlevel] what should I write for these these NN runlevel? |
| 01:37.24 | wols | Red_Cloud: gdm start is runlevel 2 |
| 01:37.34 | wols | torrrrr: I meant |
| 01:37.57 | torrrrr | aha |
| 01:38.05 | torrrrr | and NN? |
| 01:38.47 | merlincorey | does that mean ndiswrapper and the driver I provided it didn't get along?> |
| 01:38.59 | torrrrr | its a sequence number, what is that ? is it after how many services this one starts? |
| 01:39.04 | wols | torrrrr: read the manpage and then look for yourself. the manpage explains it |
| 01:39.08 | merlincorey | hmmm |
| 01:39.14 | wols | merlincorey: what does ifconfig -a say? |
| 01:39.50 | wols | merlincorey: imho your eth0 is the default ethernet interface your notebook most certainly has |
| 01:40.14 | wols | which means your ndiswrapper thing is not wroking |
| 01:40.24 | torrrrr | wols, man said: "NN is the two-digit sequence number that determines where in the sequence init will run the scripts." |
| 01:40.31 | wols | secondly: what wlan chip do you have? chances are there is a drievr for it, native |
| 01:41.14 | merlincorey | this is a different box; I figured out with my laptop that the card I have is the crappy mini-one with only windows drivers, and yes, the default eth0 on the lappy is eth0, and so now I see why it will be easier for me to install and then fix it |
| 01:41.15 | torrrrr | wols, but what is the _sequence_ refered to? |
| 01:41.20 | merlincorey | thank you for remembering, though |
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| 01:41.33 | merlincorey | so I am experimenting with this other box and another card I had lying around |
| 01:41.35 | wols | torrrrr: it tells your first sentence in the manpage how to find the things |
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| 01:41.48 | merlincorey | but I think the ndiswrapper on it or the driver is broken |
| 01:42.08 | weakwire | hi when i start gdm and i enter kde gdm says that en_US.UTF-8 doesn't exists. |
| 01:42.10 | weakwire | why? |
| 01:42.12 | wols | merlincorey: you haven't answered my qwuestion |
| 01:42.28 | wols | !tell weakwire about locales |
| 01:42.28 | weakwire | locale returns everyything in eu_US.UTF-8 |
| 01:42.46 | torrrrr | wols, ah |
| 01:42.53 | maddash | !wwer |
| 01:42.53 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00012.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 01:43.10 | maddash | dumb ncurses interface |
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| 01:44.11 | weakwire | i did reconfigure locate and executed locale-gen |
| 01:44.16 | merlincorey | on which box, wols? :P I determined my laptop was Broadcom 1390 with lspci and requires ndiswrapper according to my efforts at googling. I'm working with a linksys card on this other desktop just so I could play with it before playing on here, but I think the one on my desktop may be broken |
| 01:44.20 | weakwire | but the problem exists |
| 01:44.43 | merlincorey | of course, the problem could just as easily be with me |
| 01:44.45 | wols | merlincorey: it shows up in lspci? and what chip is it? |
| 01:44.47 | merlincorey | thus why I am here :P |
| 01:45.14 | torrrrr | wols, ah ok I see. can a script of one service be in many directories of the form rcX.d ? |
| 01:45.54 | wols | torrrrr: can but in your case irrelevant |
| 01:45.56 | enouf | torrrrr: dunno if this helps you but : kde control center can be configured to enable/diable autologin, perhaps gnome-control-center can too |
| 01:45.58 | merlincorey | are we talking about on the desktop I am trying to make work now? if so, yes, it shows up as a Broadcom 43x, which means if I could get it online I could get the native drivers after I update its kernel. |
| 01:46.09 | enouf | s/diable/disable |
| 01:46.30 | wols | merlincorey: wrt ndiswrapper, did you have the firmware for your card? |
| 01:46.30 | torrrrr | enouf, I'll check |
| 01:47.22 | merlincorey | this is where I am probably losing myself; which would you call the firmware? I have the .inf and .sys for the driver, but to my knowledge no firmware unless one of those is considered the firmware? |
| 01:47.34 | merlincorey | and according to my googling the error I am getting is supposed to be related to missing firmware |
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| 01:47.54 | wols | no. there is usually a "bin" file of some binary blob that's uploaded to the wlan chip |
| 01:48.15 | militant | hey, wols thanks much. nvidia's up. there's some odd mouse issue suddenly but i'll iron it out, it's just acting like the left button is constantly held |
| 01:48.26 | merlincorey | so, if I have the unzipped folder my drivers came in, I will find a .bin in there and I should place it somewhere? |
| 01:48.34 | sprink | !SIYH |
| 01:48.34 | dpkg | from memory, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 01:48.43 | sprink | hehe |
| 01:49.31 | gamer | Does someone knows common causes which could force 'vserver <vserver-name> start' to display this message "An error occured while executing the vserver startup sequence;" while starting a freshly created vserver ? The freshly created vserver's log returns nothing useful and vserver doesn't seem to log its operations. |
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| 01:52.17 | Supaplex | gamer: anything in bts? |
| 01:53.30 | gamer | Supaplex, I didn't check it, I'll do it, thanks for the tip. |
| 01:53.37 | militant | hmmm |
| 01:53.57 | wols | merlincorey: no. you need a fwcutter for bcm43xx it seems |
| 01:54.06 | enouf | torrrrr: however, if your goal is to stop the gdm (or kdm/xdm) login screen from even appearing at all (altogether), and you want to be thrown to a console prompt login, then stop the g/x/kdm from even starting up, as you were following through with the runlevels and update-rc.d way .. also /msg dpkg {rcconf, sysv-rc, update-rc.d, runlevels} |
| 01:54.11 | militant | google's not giving me much here. ps2 mouse, works but the left button acts like it's pressed all the time. |
| 01:54.38 | merlincorey | wols, thank you; dpkg can tell me about that, I assume? |
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| 01:54.43 | militant | either that or the scrollwheel constantly going |
| 01:54.51 | wols | militant: and only since you used the nvidia driver? have you tried to not use it again? |
| 01:55.14 | wols | merlincorey: maybe, I dunno. if so it's for the bcm43xx driver I guess |
| 01:55.47 | militant | well i think ig ot the wrong mouse options when the nvidia driver was asking me for config info. and xf86config doesn't give me the right nvidia driver option, so... i'm nto sure how to re-do the mouse. |
| 01:55.50 | merlincorey | wols, like this: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 01:55.52 | merlincorey | yes? |
| 01:55.52 | wols | merlincorey: speaking of: 2.6.18 which you should run has a BCM43xx driver |
| 01:55.56 | enouf | militant: maybe /msg /dpkg drxx .. though others more familiar with nvidia binary blobs may have better info |
| 01:55.57 | torrrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.00 | wols | merlincorey: yes |
| 01:56.12 | wols | merlincorey: so ndiswrapper is not necessary |
| 01:56.19 | enouf | torrrrr: that's the way .. but no proir spaces before the 1st / |
| 01:56.27 | enouf | er prior* |
| 01:56.29 | merlincorey | wols: actually, yeah, I am thinking I am going to use this external harddrive to pass it the new kernel |
| 01:56.34 | torrrrr | 10x |
| 01:56.57 | wols | merlincorey: never used nvidia config tools if you can help it, never use xf86config (which doesn't exist for a long time now anyways) |
| 01:57.07 | wols | oops. militant: of course |
| 01:57.07 | maddash | kill myself |
| 01:57.14 | merlincorey | :p |
| 01:57.17 | wols | !tell militant about drxx |
| 01:57.21 | wols | !kill maddash |
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| 01:57.33 | militant | ahh thnks |
| 01:57.59 | merlincorey | wols, does the standard debian 2.6.18 kernel have that stuff in it, or will I need to build it? I inquire because I have to copy files through this laptop to my external drive then to that box so I want to get them all at once :P |
| 01:58.04 | lolole | whats siyh |
| 01:58.12 | lolole | abd wwet? |
| 01:58.16 | lolole | :P |
| 01:58.22 | lolole | *wwer |
| 01:58.23 | wols | merlincorey: it has. grep -i BCM /boot/config-2.6.18* |
| 01:58.47 | Azar | lolole: use /msg dpkg wwer and siyh to find out |
| 01:58.59 | merlincorey | cool, so, as far as that box goes, in theory, if I update the kernel, it will be able to get online? |
| 01:59.09 | lolole | ah nice |
| 01:59.16 | wols | merlincorey: why update? did you install sarge? |
| 01:59.26 | gamer | militant, If you want to use nvidia proprietary drivers, just configure X11 the traditional way, using the 'nv' driver, then manually change the parts of the X11 configuration file to use the 'nvidia' driver. |
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| 01:59.30 | lolole | im tempted to try etch out |
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| 01:59.43 | lolole | this feisty aint doin the trick :) |
| 01:59.48 | militant | gamer the drivers are up just fine now. just fixing a mouse issue :) |
| 01:59.56 | obnauticus | Does anyone here know of a working Skype for x64 debian? |
| 02:00.02 | torrrrr | what do I need to have inorder to get man for strcasecmp |
| 02:00.03 | merlincorey | heh, that box is a monster... it used to be a headless server and I don't know what I installed it as, but when I moved up here and just before losing net access it became my desktop and I updated to unstable |
| 02:00.08 | wols | obnauticus: ask skype, not us |
| 02:00.17 | obnauticus | well wols someone here is bound to have skype on x64 |
| 02:00.20 | obnauticus | or tried to use it. |
| 02:00.25 | Azar | obnauticus: google "skybe on debian" |
| 02:00.25 | merlincorey | apparently it HAS 2.6.18 |
| 02:00.28 | obnauticus | I did Azar. |
| 02:00.30 | merlincorey | I wonder why the wireless won't work |
| 02:00.33 | obnauticus | I tried installing it |
| 02:00.36 | obnauticus | it meh'd lol. |
| 02:00.49 | gamer | militant, Well, you could just backup your actual X11 configuration file, try to let Xorg create a new configuration with a working mouse then pickup the lines of this new config file, put them in the old one and use your old configuration file again ;) |
| 02:01.47 | merlincorey | torrrrr, are you looking for development manpages? |
| 02:01.58 | torrrrr | merlincorey, yes |
| 02:02.09 | merlincorey | torrrrr, should be manpages-dev |
| 02:02.23 | merlincorey | torrrrr, apt-cache search manpage && apt-get install the proper one |
| 02:02.38 | wols | !tell torrrrr about search |
| 02:02.50 | wols | torrrrr: packages.debian.org is great for answering questions like yours |
| 02:03.35 | wols | merlincorey: you need to load bcm43xx AND need to extract the firmware from the windows driver with the fwcutter |
| 02:04.50 | merlincorey | do I also need to remove ndiswrapper, since it is extraneous there? |
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| 02:05.41 | maddash | why is irssi displaying a blank in front of "is about to try installing the cutter"? |
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| 02:06.11 | merlincorey | because your colors are weird or something |
| 02:06.16 | merlincorey | it hid the action name |
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| 02:06.27 | merlincorey | no> |
| 02:06.29 | merlincorey | ? |
| 02:06.33 | ZeeO | hey guys how can i login auto with ssh command line trying to script a tool that logins and runs a set of commands on my remote servers |
| 02:06.37 | h00t | hi i was trying to install ATI proprietary drivers and got this error msg: "kernel includes /lib/modules/2.6.20/build/include do not match current kernel they are version as "" instead of "2.6.20" you might need to adjust your symlinks /usr/include /usr/src/linux ... failed to compile kernel module .... should i created /usr/src/linux and do "ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.20 /usr/src/linux" will that solve the problem |
| 02:06.42 | abrotman | ZeeO: keys |
| 02:06.52 | ZeeO | how do i do that with the keys |
| 02:06.55 | ZeeO | how do i make a key |
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| 02:07.06 | ZeeO | or get the key for that matter |
| 02:07.14 | Azar | h00t: why would you want the ati drivers? |
| 02:07.45 | thorat | where are the info pages for coreutils, or were there some licence issues? |
| 02:08.10 | h00t | 3d acceleration |
| 02:08.10 | liable | thorat: ya, in contrib iirc |
| 02:08.12 | wols | h00t: no. you ahouls have made a headers package when you compiled your kernel |
| 02:08.30 | h00t | i have sources and headers installed |
| 02:08.54 | Azar | h00t: you need to match kernel and gcc versions |
| 02:09.09 | h00t | how do i find out what gcc i have |
| 02:09.10 | wols | h00t: linux-headers-2.6.20.deb? |
| 02:09.50 | h00t | yes i have 2.6.20 headers |
| 02:09.59 | h00t | how do i find out what gcc i have |
| 02:10.21 | maddash | man gcc |
| 02:10.35 | trelly | gcc -v |
| 02:10.47 | h00t | got it ... |
| 02:11.13 | h00t | Azar, how is that a problem if i have gcc 3.4.6 w/ 2.6.20 kernel ... |
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| 02:12.33 | Azar | h00t: as vaguel as I remember there is an issue of which gcc compiler version was originally used for the original kernel , and if you installed a new kernel that compiler might not match... |
| 02:12.53 | wols | no. |
| 02:12.57 | Azar | but that was back in the hey day.. |
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| 02:13.05 | Azar | wols: so how it goes? |
| 02:13.18 | wols | the issue is: the compiler used for the kernel and for the module (like fglrx) nust be the same version |
| 02:13.28 | Azar | ah ah yes |
| 02:13.33 | Azar | thanks wols |
| 02:14.01 | trelly | thorax you still haven't figured out that coreutils is a bunch of utils each with it's own man page - like man ls |
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| 02:15.00 | thorat | trelly: I did "info coreutils fold" to get what I wanted, "info fold" returned a infofied man page |
| 02:15.09 | Reiser_x | wols: what is the diference Ubuntu and Debian? |
| 02:15.34 | maddash | about 6 letters |
| 02:15.36 | thorat | trelly: previously "info fold" would have worked |
| 02:16.07 | thorat | trelly: I am well aware what coreutils is |
| 02:16.50 | trelly | are not is |
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| 02:21.27 | arooni | how do i install mod mod_proxy for apache? |
| 02:21.54 | gamer | Ok, I found a solution for my problem. The creation of static context was needed. It was done with the command "echo [int-number] > /etc/vservers/[myvserv]/context". Hope this helps |
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| 02:27.16 | kakalto | anyone got any ideas why my floppy drive's light gets stuck on, and I can't use my floppy drive on debian etch? |
| 02:27.49 | arooni | megaspaz: i s |
| 02:27.51 | arooni | how do i install mod mod_proxy for apache? |
| 02:28.53 | gamer | kakalto, Did you plugged your floppy drive correctly |
| 02:29.32 | gamer | kakalto, Your problem is ofter caused when plugging floppy drives upside-down. |
| 02:29.48 | gamer | *often |
| 02:29.48 | dvs | the cable that is |
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| 02:29.52 | kakalto | gamer: pretty sure, the light doesn't go on until debian boots. And if I put an unbootable disk into the drive before it boots, I get a disk failure..? |
| 02:29.54 | Fagnuttius | you're the inspiration DCC SEND "JEWS_DID_WTC" right |
| 02:29.56 | Fagnuttius | lol |
| 02:30.00 | militant | hah. neat everything works. one last, sblive. |
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| 02:30.04 | militant | any clue why it doesn't show in lspci |
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| 02:30.39 | kakalto | gamer: guess I'll check that out. |
| 02:30.42 | kakalto | thanks |
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| 02:36.16 | militant | wols_: sup mang. why idea why an sblive doesn't show up in lspci? |
| 02:36.28 | militant | heh. |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | it's not pci ? |
| 02:36.55 | solemnwarning | Erm, is sync supposed to not use any syscalls, even though it's writing to the device? |
| 02:36.55 | militant | it is, it's in a pci slot, just put it in on last halt |
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| 02:37.08 | solemnwarning | Does it run some kernel syscall so strace shows nothing after that? |
| 02:37.22 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: probably sync(2) |
| 02:37.27 | militant | wait |
| 02:37.27 | militant | heh |
| 02:37.37 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: It might be that strace isn't reporting it because it hasn't returned yet? |
| 02:37.38 | militant | i bet it's kuz it's not hooked up to its front-end |
| 02:37.43 | solemnwarning | Is it supposed to be unkillable and also make strace ignore ctrl+c? |
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| 02:37.52 | abrotman | or because there's an IRQ conflict |
| 02:37.52 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: That means it's in hard wait |
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| 02:38.05 | solemnwarning | Been like this for a while |
| 02:38.15 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: what kind of device? |
| 02:38.23 | solemnwarning | But why does strace attached to it ignore ctrl+c? |
| 02:38.25 | solemnwarning | USB flash |
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| 02:39.08 | solemnwarning | Been running for 10 mins now |
| 02:39.22 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: If you run ps, the hanged sync process probably shows as having status D. Does strace, too? |
| 02:39.49 | solemnwarning | It was in D, sync just exited |
| 02:40.14 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: Finally timed out I guess |
| 02:40.21 | solemnwarning | How much does Linux buffer?! :\ |
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| 02:40.49 | \amethyst | As much as it can |
| 02:40.53 | pythonic | my isp's nameserver is down. can i borrow yours? :-) |
| 02:41.14 | solemnwarning | Note to self: Don't write a gig of music to a USB drive |
| 02:41.15 | trelly | don;t you have /etc/hosts? |
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| 02:41.29 | abrotman | pythonic: google "public DNS servers" |
| 02:41.42 | pythonic | i don't have google's ip :-/ |
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| 02:42.07 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: D state is "uninterruptable sleep". Generally it happens when the OS is waiting on a hardware operation |
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| 02:42.55 | \amethyst | though you see it when an NFS server goes missing, too |
| 02:42.55 | merlincorey | where do I put the firmware for my wireless card? |
| 02:42.55 | merlincorey | after cutting it out |
| 02:42.55 | trelly | ./dns www.google.com -> *** Resolved www.google.com to 66.102.7.147 |
| 02:42.55 | solemnwarning | !nfs |
| 02:42.55 | dpkg | hmm... nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs'. |
| 02:42.56 | solemnwarning | \amethyst: :) |
| 02:42.58 | pythonic | trelly: thanks :-) |
| 02:43.10 | sudo_maddash | lol |
| 02:43.10 | trelly | don't forget strongswan tunnelled nfs |
| 02:43.39 | wad | I'm trying to add an SSL virtual host to by debian web server. I've added "Listen 443" to ports.conf, and to the proper sites-available entry: "NameVirtualHost *:443" and a <VirtualHost *:443> block, but I keep getting this: [warn] NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts |
| 02:43.50 | wad | And ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? |
| 02:44.02 | merlincorey | wad, you are editing the wrong config |
| 02:44.06 | wad | Aha! |
| 02:44.13 | wad | merlincorey, which config should I edit? |
| 02:44.35 | trelly | wad is from IIS secret fud group |
| 02:45.14 | merlincorey | wad, possibly you are, anyway; from when I initially read it I thought you might have neglected in your sshd.conf to tell it to listen, but I think you are asking something related but not that |
| 02:45.17 | wad | IIS? I don't think so. :) |
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| 02:45.28 | \amethyst | sshd.conf ? |
| 02:45.30 | wad | merlincorey, I'll check. |
| 02:45.32 | simonrvn | you need a real ip for ssl, you can't just stick it on name-based vhost and cross your fingers |
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| 02:45.45 | merlincorey | yes, see |
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| 02:45.54 | merlincorey | when I initially read it, SSL was SSH |
| 02:45.55 | wad | Sure, my IP is 192.168.0.3 |
| 02:45.56 | merlincorey | :p |
| 02:45.56 | solemnwarning | simonrvn: I think thats a stupid part of SSL |
| 02:45.57 | wad | :P |
| 02:46.00 | merlincorey | fucking dyslexia |
| 02:46.12 | merlincorey | nothing I said matters to you wad :p |
| 02:46.18 | wad | heh |
| 02:46.39 | liable | i had ssl working on a virtual host without an ip, sec i see what i did.. |
| 02:47.18 | wad | Well, this is currently working fine under SUSE 10.0 |
| 02:47.25 | wad | I'm abandoning that platform in favor of debian. |
| 02:47.35 | simonrvn | i found that to be unreliable |
| 02:47.36 | wad | See for yourself: https://wadhome.org |
| 02:49.31 | liable | i just didnt have the :443 after NameVirtualHost afaics |
| 02:49.35 | pythonic | liable: atm ssl protocol does not support virtual hosts. |
| 02:49.54 | pythonic | named virtual hosts, that is. |
| 02:50.04 | simonrvn | you need ip-based |
| 02:50.10 | solemnwarning | pythonic: erm |
| 02:50.31 | solemnwarning | SSL is just a stream encryption protocol, it doesn't give a crap whats being transfereed |
| 02:50.47 | solemnwarning | The webserver does the vhost using the Host HTTP header.... |
| 02:50.58 | liable | shrug, i had it working at one stage |
| 02:51.07 | simonrvn | i bet on apache1 |
| 02:51.11 | liable | yep |
| 02:51.18 | pythonic | solemnwarning: yep. so... atm the ssl protocol does not support name virtual hosts. |
| 02:51.21 | simonrvn | apache2 doesn't work that way |
| 02:51.28 | solemnwarning | wait... wtf |
| 02:51.29 | liable | oh |
| 02:51.35 | simonrvn | rtfm |
| 02:51.37 | liable | well, that sucks :P |
| 02:51.48 | wad | Guys, it's working currently on my very own system (albiet SUSE 10.0). |
| 02:51.52 | solemnwarning | But... it doesn't care whats being transferred, why can't apache just use the Host header?? |
| 02:51.58 | simonrvn | it does |
| 02:52.10 | solemnwarning | grrrr |
| 02:52.31 | pythonic | but apache doesn't know which private key to use until it reads the host header. |
| 02:52.38 | merlincorey | does anyone know if /usr/share/hotplug/firmware is the proper place to put my wireless card's firmware? |
| 02:52.39 | simonrvn | quityerbitchin |
| 02:52.43 | pythonic | at which point it's too late. |
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| 02:52.57 | simonrvn | ding |
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| 02:53.02 | solemnwarning | bah |
| 02:53.09 | wad | pythonic: Which means you can only have ONE virtual host per IP. |
| 02:53.10 | liable | merlincorey: usually, /lib/firmware |
| 02:53.14 | solemnwarning | You could just use the same key for all hosts |
| 02:53.16 | merlincorey | liable,thanks |
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| 02:53.19 | simonrvn | wad: ding |
| 02:53.21 | wad | I meant, ONE with SSL. |
| 02:53.22 | pythonic | solemnwarning: keep your cluebrick in your pants |
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| 02:53.30 | simonrvn | solemnwarning: um, no |
| 02:53.38 | solemnwarning | simonrvn: Why not? |
| 02:53.43 | pythonic | wad: did i say otherwise? |
| 02:53.44 | simonrvn | rtfm |
| 02:53.49 | solemnwarning | It doesn't matter as long as noone gets the private keypair |
| 02:53.51 | wad | pythonic: I was agreeing with you. |
| 02:53.59 | solemnwarning | s/pair//; |
| 02:54.14 | wad | So, a configuration that works: 5 Virtual hosts, one of which can have SSL. Am I right? |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | you can't do an SSL host when you're doing name based .. unless you play funny games |
| 02:55.01 | abrotman | solemnwarning: i'm near philly |
| 02:55.06 | simonrvn | solemnwarning: in the giant snowstorm we had in the eastern part of turtle island |
| 02:55.07 | maddash | it's snowing heavily in NYC and Long Island |
| 02:55.14 | wad | I've got snow nearly in my back yard. (Utah) |
| 02:55.15 | solemnwarning | Thats somwhere snowy? |
| 02:55.26 | TheBlueWizard | still snowing? hmm... |
| 02:55.38 | simonrvn | think so, was earlier |
| 02:55.39 | liable | sunny 30C here :P |
| 02:55.43 | merlincorey | oh em gee |
| 02:55.45 | Sazpaimon | anyone here use lighttpd? |
| 02:55.49 | simonrvn | no |
| 02:56.06 | simonrvn | just ask the question |
| 02:56.40 | Sazpaimon | I'm stumped as to setting up vhosts |
| 02:56.42 | Azar | abrotman makes a snowman and names it dpkg |
| 02:56.48 | merlincorey | YES |
| 02:56.50 | merlincorey | I got the desktop online |
| 02:56.58 | testarlite | liable: where do you live? |
| 02:57.05 | liable | .au |
| 02:57.06 | merlincorey | now I can install debian AND troubleshoot it if I can't get online |
| 02:57.07 | pythonic | can someone give me ip address of opendns.com please? (isn't it ironic? don't ya think?) :-) |
| 02:57.09 | Azar | wooohooo merlincorey ! |
| 02:57.11 | merlincorey | everyone wave goodbye to Vista! |
| 02:57.15 | testarlite | liable: ah nice :) |
| 02:57.19 | Sazpaimon | I have absolutely no idea how to set it up |
| 02:57.26 | Sazpaimon | and the documentation makes me more confused |
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| 02:57.31 | \amethyst | pythonic: opendns.com. 3596 IN A 208.67.219.67 |
| 02:57.40 | maddash | pythonic: 208.67.219.67 |
| 02:57.46 | pythonic | thanks :-) |
| 02:57.47 | \amethyst | pythonic: that's one of two addresses |
| 02:57.58 | simonrvn | and hope it's not on a vhost ;) |
| 02:58.01 | \amethyst | pythonic: the nameservers are auth{1,2,3}.opendns.com |
| 02:58.01 | maddash | who waved bye to vista? |
| 02:58.05 | simonrvn | hasta la vista |
| 02:58.09 | militant | do i have to chown or something, on my mixer stuff? dmesg shows it found my soundcard but i can't turn volume up at all? |
| 02:58.27 | simonrvn | no, adduser youruser audio |
| 02:58.28 | liable | merlincorey: are you in audio group? |
| 02:58.29 | sprink | opendns.com A208.67.219.67 |
| 02:58.29 | sprink | opendns.com A208.67.219.39 |
| 02:58.49 | militant | already a member of 'audio' |
| 02:58.50 | merlincorey | liable, yes, but you are talking to militant, yes? :P |
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| 02:58.54 | merlincorey | I had those problems years ago :P |
| 02:58.58 | liable | merlincorey: sorry |
| 02:59.03 | simonrvn | abrotman: why did you pull me back in here you, you abrotman you |
| 02:59.03 | Azar | militant: alsamixer |
| 02:59.04 | merlincorey | heehee it's ok I am just playing |
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| 02:59.23 | Azar | militant: after you set it: alsactl store |
| 02:59.25 | liable | merlincorey: were you a member or did you recently add yourself? |
| 02:59.30 | simonrvn | ducks |
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| 02:59.39 | Azar | eww weeball |
| 02:59.39 | merlincorey | liable, I've been a member of the audio group for years and years :P |
| 02:59.45 | liable | doh! |
| 02:59.50 | liable | stupid nicktab |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | simonrvn: sorry .. thought i'd try to hit you in the back .. the darn invaders are tricky like that |
| 02:59.54 | liable | militant: ^^^ |
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| 03:00.07 | militant | alsa-base wasn't there... so i'm installing that. |
| 03:00.09 | merlincorey | militant, if you just added yourself to audio you may have to logout and log back in |
| 03:00.12 | simonrvn | abrotman: wha? |
| 03:00.20 | militant | i only did it once and it said i was already member |
| 03:00.26 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's early yet! ... |
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| 03:00.30 | liable | heh, glad i'm not the only one wondering |
| 03:00.31 | merlincorey | militant, have you ran alsaconf? |
| 03:00.34 | militant | doing it now |
| 03:00.46 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 03:00.54 | simonrvn | my eyes for real ATM |
| 03:01.03 | abrotman | que? |
| 03:01.13 | simonrvn | exactly my thought |
| 03:01.17 | merlincorey | he didn't get you threw yellow snow at him, abrotman |
| 03:01.19 | militant | lemme log back out |
| 03:01.32 | abrotman | tha'ts a good thing |
| 03:02.03 | abrotman | simonrvn: have fun! |
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| 03:02.39 | abrotman | SMORES! |
| 03:02.40 | digime | anyone here running RT (request tracker) on Debian? |
| 03:03.38 | simonrvn | even my sighs are delicious and diabetes-inducing |
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| 03:03.58 | abrotman | they have weird things on tv |
| 03:04.11 | simonrvn | it's teevee, of course |
| 03:04.18 | abrotman | ti's Discovery :) |
| 03:04.46 | simonrvn | life always is |
| 03:04.58 | abrotman | they're making escalator handrails |
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| 03:05.14 | militant | hey, alsa-base did the trick. thanks guys. |
| 03:05.19 | simonrvn | for escalators, so they don't fall off |
| 03:05.34 | digime | anyone here running RT (request tracker) on Debian? |
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| 03:05.37 | trelly | what is anyones record the number of lies a 'new' landlady has told in the first day - ie about how she just cleaned a filthy tub, the rug is 1 year old etc |
| 03:05.44 | simonrvn | !tell digime -about ask |
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| 03:05.54 | digime | thanks |
| 03:05.56 | digime | new to channel |
| 03:06.00 | simonrvn | :) |
| 03:06.37 | simonrvn | trelly: i don't bother listening to lies, just what's on the lease, asfter nego |
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| 03:07.37 | militant | one last question for tonight... my monitor is huge and very fancy. one of those 24" sony trinitron models. and it's a geforce3. any idea why i can't get a lot of my usual resolutions, refresh rates? can i manually add them in? |
| 03:07.57 | digime | I am wondering if anyone has tried to install the latest RT (request tracker) on Debian. 3.6.3 vs. the only official debian package which is 3.4.1. i am concerned about the package changes that may make debian unstable after it updates all the packages. |
| 03:08.24 | abrotman | militant: you need the nvidia binary crap driver |
| 03:08.45 | militant | abrotman i'm new to this nvidia stuff but i'm thinking that's what i did in fact install |
| 03:08.53 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:08.53 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 03:08.59 | militant | yeah |
| 03:09.01 | militant | that's what i used |
| 03:09.09 | simonrvn | digime: sounds almost like a question for the maintainer, TBH |
| 03:09.17 | militant | i just can't get my 85hz refresh rates, so i can't use the higher resolutions, it flickers like mad |
| 03:09.37 | mfrisch | militant must be rough |
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| 03:09.48 | digime | simonrvn: yes I just can't get them, so I thought I'd jump on here, on the slim chance someone is running this application on a debian platform |
| 03:09.49 | scv | why not? |
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| 03:10.12 | simonrvn | digime: the debian maintainer |
| 03:10.12 | militant | i can't go above 1024x768 with a decent refresh rate so i might as well just have a 17" :/ |
| 03:10.23 | scv | I can get the 85Hz even more |
| 03:11.00 | liable | damn, i seem to have blown a speaker |
| 03:11.01 | militant | 1280x1024 only gives me 60hz, and i can't go any higher than that. |
| 03:11.06 | scv | militant: what's your monitor? |
| 03:11.25 | militant | scv: a sony trinitron 24" gdf-9000 or whatever. 94 pound beast :D |
| 03:11.37 | mfrisch | I had a marvell of a monitor that got 56 |
| 03:11.56 | scv | gdf-9000? |
| 03:12.24 | militant | something like that. just got it, and there's no model # except on the back which is inaccessible. |
| 03:12.30 | scv | was there such monitor? |
| 03:12.44 | militant | used to be, you could manually put in screen configs in XF86Config and test them out |
| 03:12.49 | militant | duno if it's still advisable |
| 03:13.04 | gamer | militant, Are you talking about "modelines" ? |
| 03:13.10 | militant | yeah i guess so |
| 03:13.30 | militant | ahh |
| 03:13.31 | gamer | Well, are the maximum refresh rates precisely defined in your X.org configuration file ? |
| 03:13.34 | militant | GDM-FW900 is the model # |
| 03:13.37 | simonrvn | modeline generator on sf.net |
| 03:13.50 | scv | which brand? |
| 03:13.51 | digime | simonrvn: the deiban maintainer? |
| 03:13.57 | militant | sony |
| 03:14.00 | militant | trinitron tube |
| 03:14.01 | militant | http://www.amazon.com/Sony-GDM-FW900-Widescreen-Trinitron-Monitor/dp/B00004YNSR |
| 03:14.02 | digime | ahh yes sorry |
| 03:14.06 | scv | fake sony? |
| 03:14.09 | militant | it's a beautiful beautiful screen |
| 03:14.09 | \amethyst | militant: google for "GDM-FW900" modeline |
| 03:14.39 | militant | ok |
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| 03:14.50 | wad | "crontab -e" pulls up some funky strange editor. How do I change this to default to vi? |
| 03:15.02 | militant | says here: |
| 03:15.03 | militant | A 160 Hz refresh rate and 2,304 x 1,440 maximum resolution will satisfy any professional, while the 24-inch screen (20.5-inch viewable) provides 21 percent more display area than 21-inch monitors. |
| 03:15.25 | simonrvn | set EDITOR or configure update-alternatives editor |
| 03:15.35 | \amethyst | wad: $VISUAL, $EDITOR, or the `editor' alternative |
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| 03:15.47 | wad | thanks, \\amethyst |
| 03:15.47 | \amethyst | VISUAL will be used in preference to EDITOR if both are defined |
| 03:15.56 | wad | awesome, thanks. |
| 03:16.24 | wad | Hmm.......... which file defines this variable? |
| 03:16.27 | jetscreamer | !tell militant -about hwinfo |
| 03:16.44 | militant | neat. |
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| 03:17.14 | vrkhans | hi there i just install the realplayer by:chmod +x RealPlayer10GOLD.bin sudo ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin, now i want to remove it but i dont know how |
| 03:17.19 | \amethyst | wad: Your shell's dotfiles |
| 03:17.27 | wad | allright. |
| 03:17.51 | \amethyst | wad: if you want to set the default for all users, use update-alternatives editor |
| 03:18.00 | wad | That's what I want to do. |
| 03:18.10 | \amethyst | update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 03:19.40 | wad | Sweet, that was easy! |
| 03:19.58 | jetscreamer | can somebody please tell me about cmd (*.?) and dpkg and branching ? the syntax you use? an example? |
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| 03:20.12 | jetscreamer | dpkg the blootbot |
| 03:20.42 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:20.54 | vrkhans | hi there i just install the realplayer by:chmod +x RealPlayer10GOLD.bin sudo ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin, now i want to remove it but i dont know how |
| 03:20.55 | jetscreamer | an example of usage |
| 03:21.08 | jetscreamer | creating such a command |
| 03:21.25 | mfrisch | vrkhans its probally in /opt ;-) |
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| 03:22.25 | jetscreamer | !literal !literal lart |
| 03:22.29 | jetscreamer | ops |
| 03:22.34 | jetscreamer | !literal lart |
| 03:22.35 | dpkg | "lart" is "<reply> (I can't believe you don't know what a lart is!|Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool; otherwise known as a Big Fucking Stick)" |
| 03:22.45 | jetscreamer | but if you type that it doesn't work |
| 03:23.46 | abrotman | vrkhans: IIRC .. it has no uninstall |
| 03:23.53 | shogunx | !lart jetscreamer |
| 03:24.07 | jetscreamer | !factinfo lart |
| 03:24.07 | dpkg | lart -- created by Guerin <n=magpie@60.197.208.47> at Sat Dec 24 16:05:04 2005 (448 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by phaedral, 5d 4h 32m 26s ago. |
| 03:24.33 | jetscreamer | lart is a built in but somebody made a factoid |
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| 03:24.52 | jetscreamer | i need to know about the cmd (*.?) thingy how to use it though |
| 03:25.19 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 03:25.19 | dpkg | hmm... bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
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| 03:27.18 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: (.*?) |
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| 03:28.42 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 03:28.45 | jetscreamer | thankee |
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| 03:30.11 | militant | jesus |
| 03:30.19 | militant | my buddy gave me this 24" sony monitor |
| 03:30.22 | militant | just GAVE it |
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| 03:30.27 | militant | and looking it up, it goes for 1900 bucks |
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| 03:31.24 | n | x modules use nvidia8776 while kernel use nvidia7184 driver |
| 03:33.36 | mfrisch | militant how much did you think it was worth? |
| 03:34.16 | militant | by size, quality? used? maybe 200-300. but i'm seein it refurbed for like 800 in places, and new it went 1800-3000 |
| 03:34.41 | militant | widescreen, db15 and bnc input, 16:10 aspect ratio, .23 dot pitch |
| 03:34.46 | militant | it's friggin sweet |
| 03:34.52 | militant | i love watching enterprise on it |
| 03:35.17 | vrkhans | abrotman: if realplayer doesnt have an uninstall then how can get rid of it |
| 03:35.44 | militant | 1024x768 is fine for now, imma get stoned, tomorrow i'llw ork on modelines, and zip the chassis up and spiff things a bit |
| 03:35.56 | militant | vlc still the best avi/etc player btw? |
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| 03:36.18 | mfrisch | I think kmart or someone has a 32" lcd for 499 ad its not pretty |
| 03:36.36 | pickcoder | bnc input? |
| 03:36.40 | militant | this thing is practically lcd quality |
| 03:36.45 | militant | without the motion blur :D |
| 03:36.50 | militant | and with an amazing color depth |
| 03:36.57 | trelly | militaunt - mplayer |
| 03:36.57 | militant | pickcoder rgb+control |
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| 03:38.13 | abrotman | vrkhans: ask them ? |
| 03:38.37 | vrkhans | ok |
| 03:38.39 | pickcoder | one of these days I'm going to hook up video to my dlp |
| 03:38.43 | mfrisch | vrkhans I told you its probally in /opt |
| 03:38.49 | abrotman | mfrisch: it's not |
| 03:38.58 | mfrisch | eewh |
| 03:39.10 | vrkhans | mfrisch: then how i can uninstall it |
| 03:39.20 | abrotman | why does it matter ? |
| 03:39.59 | vrkhans | so just leave it and forget it |
| 03:40.12 | abrotman | that's up to you .. but IIRC .. it doesn't even use /usr/local/ |
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| 03:41.02 | flaminguican | Which version of gnome does debian use? |
| 03:41.09 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 03:41.20 | flaminguican | Sarge |
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| 03:41.27 | abrotman | 2.8.3 IIRC |
| 03:41.43 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel sarge |
| 03:41.50 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
| 03:42.01 | flaminguican | Ah, bummer, I was hoping to get a look at one of the newer packages |
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| 03:44.38 | pingouin | what can i do, if kernel tell me Mar 18 04:43:27 localhost kernel: sdc: unknown partition table, when i plug a card reader with an sd card in it ? |
| 03:44.59 | abrotman | did you compile your own ? |
| 03:45.15 | pingouin | yes |
| 03:45.25 | abrotman | does it have support for whatever FS is on the card ? |
| 03:45.36 | pingouin | supose to be vfat |
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| 03:45.58 | pingouin | and i do include this FS in |
| 03:46.33 | pingouin | thus i can mount, throught this card reader an old 8 mo Sony Memory stick |
| 03:47.27 | pingouin | is there a way to format the card on the cardreader, even the kernel spit this "unknonw partition table" ? |
| 03:47.48 | mfrisch | zero the card |
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| 03:48.15 | Nyle | hello babies |
| 03:48.20 | mfrisch | have you used it before |
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| 03:48.57 | pingouin | mfrisch: how can i "zero"ing it ? and yes it as been used before - not by me- |
| 03:48.59 | \amethyst | is it possible it's just a raw filesystem on the device? (i.e. no partition table at all) |
| 03:49.20 | pingouin | maybe \amethyst i have no clue... |
| 03:49.24 | \amethyst | if that's the case you could try mounting sdc instead of sdc1 |
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| 03:50.05 | mfrisch | pingouin if it has something in /dev/ like sdb cat /dev/zero>/dev/sdb |
| 03:50.59 | Vasistha | so, I've now removed 'discover' ... how do I prevent udev from loading certain modules that I don't _usually_ need? |
| 03:51.45 | abrotman | !tell Vasistha about blacklist |
| 03:52.03 | Langly1 | I want a distro of linux that can pass a turing test, get to work :) |
| 03:52.51 | pingouin | mfrisch: ok, thanks, \amethyst ok, thanks...kernel tell me that maybe it's not a valid vfat kernel: VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc |
| 03:53.10 | jetscreamer | try auto |
| 03:53.15 | Nyle | jetscreamer hi |
| 03:53.17 | jetscreamer | instead of specifying the fs |
| 03:53.19 | jetscreamer | hey dude |
| 03:53.19 | Vasistha | abrotman: yeah... I've been through that ... valdyn advised against making changes to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist though, and it seems like, e.g., "install irda /bin/true" would prevent me from *ever* being able to load it, even explicitly |
| 03:53.26 | Nyle | msg |
| 03:53.37 | pingouin | i think i gonna format it on a numeric device such cam/mp3 player |
| 03:53.38 | jetscreamer | can't tell |
| 03:54.08 | pingouin | jetscreamer: already tried, mount: you must specify the filesystem type , but thanks |
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| 03:55.23 | jetscreamer | i see no /msg Nyle |
| 03:55.54 | Nyle | i had to tuck my niece to bed |
| 03:55.55 | Nyle | now |
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| 03:56.06 | Vasistha | awww :-) |
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| 03:57.19 | Rusty1 | pingouin: theres something called pmount, dunno |
| 03:57.28 | Red_Cloud | I need some help. I have locked myself out of my debian linux os. I need to know the location of initrd file that work with the /boot/grub/menu.lst file. |
| 03:58.10 | Nyle | hah happend to me once |
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| 03:58.21 | pickcoder | Red_Cloud: the grub command prompt has tab-complete for the boot params |
| 03:58.27 | Nyle | I should think debian creates a symlink to it called /initrd |
| 03:58.41 | pickcoder | everything should be in /boot/ |
| 03:58.56 | Nyle | well everything IS in boot |
| 03:59.05 | Red_Cloud | pickcoder thanks. I will try that . Right now I get a kernel panic. |
| 03:59.07 | Nyle | im talking about a symlink like /linux and /initrd |
| 03:59.17 | Nyle | which is useful in situations like this |
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| 03:59.38 | pickcoder | Red_Cloud: that's probably b/c your root isn't valid |
| 03:59.39 | abrotman | they used to be /initrd.img and /vmlinuz |
| 03:59.41 | pickcoder | gah |
| 04:00.01 | Nyle | abrotman not neccesserily |
| 04:00.06 | abrotman | on debian |
| 04:00.12 | Gnea | Nyle: only if /boot isn't on a separate partition |
| 04:00.31 | Nyle | abrotman if you create a symlink to /boot/kernel-xxx-blah as /linux and you tell grub to boot that with proper root param it works |
| 04:00.36 | Nyle | Gnea that too |
| 04:00.37 | trelly | kernel -s or kernel 1 |
| 04:00.43 | abrotman | Nyle: duh |
| 04:00.50 | Nyle | abrotman eat dick. |
| 04:00.53 | pickcoder | vmlinuz is the typical kernel image link |
| 04:00.58 | pickcoder | many distros use it |
| 04:00.59 | abrotman | Nyle: with debian packaged kernels .. it was /vmlinuz and /initrd.img |
| 04:01.01 | Nyle | pickcoder yes that is correct |
| 04:01.01 | Gnea | Nyle: stop. |
| 04:01.16 | abrotman | Nyle: you're so pleasant .. |
| 04:01.24 | Nyle | aren't I just |
| 04:01.36 | Nyle | abrotman you're still as charming as ever :) |
| 04:01.39 | Gnea | one more and that's it. |
| 04:01.47 | Nyle | Gnea what are you on about? |
| 04:01.53 | abrotman | your attitude |
| 04:01.57 | Gnea | yeah |
| 04:02.08 | Gnea | show some respect or get out |
| 04:02.11 | Nyle | my attitude is fine. Simply telling you to eat dick doesn't change my attitude any. |
| 04:02.34 | Nyle | I respect those that deserve it. |
| 04:02.46 | Gnea | and i respect those that earn it. |
| 04:02.53 | Nyle | same |
| 04:03.05 | Nyle | Gnea btw I tried out kino. it is complex |
| 04:03.14 | abrotman | oh .. kissing ass now :) |
| 04:03.21 | Nyle | Gnea how are you videos of driving around going now? |
| 04:03.21 | Gnea | kino can be a PITA sometimes |
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| 04:03.32 | Nyle | Gnea got any more hehe |
| 04:03.39 | Gnea | lol |
| 04:03.45 | Gnea | nah, that was a one-time deal |
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| 04:03.46 | Nyle | abrotman once again. eat dick. |
| 04:03.55 | Gnea | ok, that did it |
| 04:04.04 | trelly | kick into #gentoo |
| 04:04.07 | Gnea | !ops Nyle is being abuse and off-topic. |
| 04:04.07 | jetscreamer | my children you must get along |
| 04:04.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gnea complains about: Nyle is being abuse and off-topic. |
| 04:04.17 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 04:04.54 | trelly | childish award goes to gnea |
| 04:05.08 | Nyle | I'll bite my tounge |
| 04:05.37 | pickcoder | it must be Sunday already... |
| 04:05.37 | Vasistha | I dunno, while I certainly would object to Nyle's *language*, I don't think he was being any *more* rude, or any *more* reactionary than others involved. Both sides were rather aggressive, unfriendly, insulting |
| 04:05.48 | abrotman | been all day :) |
| 04:05.53 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:06.04 | h00t | how can i find out if a directory is a symlink that leads somewhere or real directory |
| 04:06.04 | trelly | vasistah is correct a mundo |
| 04:06.12 | jetscreamer | ls -lA h00t |
| 04:06.16 | Gnea | Vasistha: it doesn't matter. |
| 04:06.20 | trelly | Vasistha sorry |
| 04:06.25 | Nyle | I apologize to the public for my rudeness, however, I still stand by what I offered him as a meal. |
| 04:06.35 | jetscreamer | lite snack |
| 04:06.46 | Gnea | lmfao |
| 04:06.50 | Nyle | well it was dick, but yeah, could be a lite snack |
| 04:06.51 | Nyle | :) |
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| 04:06.58 | Vasistha | trelly: hehe, it's okay -- it highlights me anyway ;-) I use a regex for highlighting |
| 04:07.33 | h00t | thank you |
| 04:07.37 | h00t | jetscreamer, |
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| 04:07.44 | jetscreamer | np |
| 04:07.51 | abrotman | h00t: i believe test can do that also |
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| 04:07.57 | abrotman | oh wait .. nm |
| 04:08.04 | trelly | typing to get in before things go balistic is hel' on spelling |
| 04:09.54 | hark | that's why you nicktab ;) |
| 04:10.05 | Vasistha | abrotman: anyway, so ... the first thing I did was read dpkg's factoid, then I asked for clarification, and the advice I received was that "Since you use debian you also assume that the devs ar |
| 04:10.05 | Vasistha | e going their job ok, so you leave that file [/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist] alone and let debian maintain it and add your custom blacklist to a random new file of your choice" |
| 04:10.09 | h00t | can anyone tell me what is the difference between /lib/modules/2.6/build/include and /usr/include |
| 04:10.11 | Vasistha | damn. |
| 04:10.24 | merlincorey | man, wols_ you're the shit man, thanks for being patient with me I've been trying to get that stupid box up for a while; I wouldn't have been able to do it without net access cause I didn't have the cutter, but... it happened :p |
| 04:10.34 | abrotman | h00t: you can have many other files in /usr/include/ |
| 04:10.48 | Nyle | wols_ _IS_ the shit |
| 04:11.00 | Nyle | right on with the troubleshooting |
| 04:11.21 | h00t | abrotman, and the other one |
| 04:11.37 | jetscreamer | wols_: you go girl! |
| 04:11.41 | abrotman | would seemingly be for kernel headers |
| 04:11.43 | Nyle | heh |
| 04:11.51 | abrotman | without me actually looking in mine .. |
| 04:12.38 | jetscreamer | i thought wne you installed kernel-headers they went in /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 04:12.48 | h00t | i can't compile a video module because of this error ... kernel includes at /lib/modules/2.6.20/build/include do not match current kernel. they are versioned as "" instead of "2.6.20". you might need to adjust your symlinks: |
| 04:12.48 | h00t | - /usr/include |
| 04:12.49 | h00t | - /usr/src/linux" ..... any ideas |
| 04:12.50 | jetscreamer | or linux-headers |
| 04:13.13 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` h00t |
| 04:13.19 | jetscreamer | if sarge put kernel-headers |
| 04:13.22 | abrotman | he's not using a debian kernel |
| 04:13.29 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 04:13.43 | hark | they are symlinked there |
| 04:13.45 | jetscreamer | did you erase the source? |
| 04:13.56 | jetscreamer | from your compiling the kernel? |
| 04:14.17 | h00t | i have headers & source installed |
| 04:14.23 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 04:14.40 | Gnea | oh man... |
| 04:14.47 | abrotman | Gnea: it'll never happen |
| 04:14.48 | Gnea | abrotman: i forgot who he was at first lol |
| 04:14.56 | jetscreamer | h00t: if you d/l kernel-source and compile, the compiled source ARE the headers... |
| 04:15.00 | Gnea | Nyle == stoned |
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| 04:15.19 | abrotman | Gnea: it doesn't matter .. it's been going on for weeks .. he threatened me in /msg that he would act like that in the future |
| 04:15.30 | Gnea | abrotman: oh ok. hahaha |
| 04:15.40 | abrotman | Gnea: the ops don't care .. so it won't stop |
| 04:15.51 | Gnea | well, he actually helps out |
| 04:15.53 | Gnea | but |
| 04:15.53 | jetscreamer | if you did make clean it would bork too... |
| 04:16.00 | Gnea | you guys do need to make some kinda peace |
| 04:16.10 | h00t | the problem is that this ATI installer is looking for them in a wrong place i already l"ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.20 /usr/src/linux" but that didn't help so far ... |
| 04:16.11 | jetscreamer | kissyface!!! |
| 04:16.12 | abrotman | Gnea: he's got a worse mouth than greycat .. and floods the channel with OT garbage |
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| 04:16.30 | Gnea | abrotman: rub him the wrong way and yeah, he'll do that |
| 04:16.37 | jetscreamer | h00t: are you passing the ati installer some kernel-headers directive? |
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| 04:16.45 | h00t | no |
| 04:16.45 | trelly | abrotman is a cry baby - gnea is to sensitive and nyle = stoned |
| 04:16.53 | abrotman | Gnea: really? i told him that he was wrong? |
| 04:17.02 | abrotman | trelly: you have no idea what you're talking about .. stay out of it |
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| 04:17.06 | Gnea | trelly: and you are who? |
| 04:17.07 | h00t | the error msg from above is actually from ATI installer script |
| 04:17.10 | mfrisch | but yet debian brings us together |
| 04:17.13 | Vasistha | abrotman: you just told him "duh" ... I think that's it :P |
| 04:17.20 | abrotman | Vasistha: that's my point |
| 04:17.23 | trelly | and who are you? |
| 04:17.30 | Gnea | trelly: no no, i asked you first. |
| 04:17.44 | abrotman | Vasistha: his response was totally unwarranted .. |
| 04:17.55 | delrey | I've got my wireless card pretty much all worked out, but when I do dhclient wlan0, I get a No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 04:18.01 | delrey | How do I fix this? |
| 04:18.07 | jetscreamer | h00t: you compiled your own kernel, correct? any kernel-headers you d/l will be wrong. |
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| 04:18.16 | Vasistha | abrotman: some people use strong language without thinking about it :P it sucks, but otoh, reacting with threats doesn't usually ameliorate |
| 04:18.36 | h00t | i have the correct headers from when i compile ... |
| 04:18.39 | h00t | compiled |
| 04:18.50 | Gnea | Vasistha: Nyle is really a good guy, he just gets a little crazy sometimes |
| 04:18.59 | abrotman | Vasistha: that's only part of it .. the response wasn't warranted .. he's doing it because he can and because it's me |
| 04:19.12 | jetscreamer | if you're trying to get ati compiled against your custom kernel, any d/l'd headers are not the right headers |
| 04:19.13 | mfrisch | h00t you havethe whole source |
| 04:19.14 | abrotman | whatever .. let it continue .. |
| 04:19.15 | distatica | I know this isn't a debian specific question, but maybe you folks will know the answer anyways (if it helps, i'm doing this on a debian system :) If you're in the middle of compiling something with 'make world' and it fails due to a dependency error, and then you fix the problem and type make world again, does it start at the beginning or where it left off? |
| 04:19.21 | Gnea | abrotman: that's because you let him lol |
| 04:19.34 | abrotman | Gnea: you think the ops don't see it ? |
| 04:19.41 | h00t | yes the whole source |
| 04:19.43 | Vasistha | abrotman: damn. oh well. Well, I think you're a great guy, anyway. |
| 04:19.46 | Gnea | abrotman: i'm quite sure they're aware |
| 04:19.53 | abrotman | distatica: should start where it failed last |
| 04:19.58 | abrotman | Gnea: and it continues :) |
| 04:20.04 | trelly | distatica - since the problem could be anything - best to start again from scratch - make distclean etc |
| 04:20.17 | jetscreamer | i'm gonna have to put the radeon in this box just to be able to tell how |
| 04:20.26 | Gnea | trelly: that's what i thought - now, keep your nose out of others business |
| 04:20.27 | mfrisch | h00t headers are just a slice of the wole thing you don't need it |
| 04:20.48 | trelly | gnea - i'd sayyou have some serious mental problems? |
| 04:21.03 | mezmiro | Every time I try to play MKV files in VLC, xine, mplayer, or totem the client completely crashes on me. Any ideas what's going on? |
| 04:21.04 | h00t | mfrisch, either way what's wrong w/ the installer |
| 04:21.05 | jetscreamer | the 'true' headers is your source you compiled the kernel from but didn't delete or make clean |
| 04:21.21 | mfrisch | h00t for what? |
| 04:21.21 | mezmiro | Supposedly VLC and Mplayer are supposed to come natively with MKV support, but everything I try keeps crashing on me. |
| 04:21.23 | abrotman | what's an MKV file ? |
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| 04:21.27 | jetscreamer | try make-kpkg --targets btw |
| 04:21.32 | jetscreamer | matroskva or so |
| 04:21.35 | mezmiro | abrotman: Matroska. |
| 04:21.39 | jetscreamer | avi2 |
| 04:21.42 | hark | mezmiro: does it happen with a particualr file? |
| 04:21.49 | h00t | kernel includes at /lib/modules/2.6.20/build/include do not match current kernel. they are versioned as "" instead of "2.6.20". you might need to adjust your symlinks: |
| 04:21.49 | h00t | - /usr/include |
| 04:21.49 | h00t | - /usr/src/linux |
| 04:21.54 | mezmiro | Nope, any MKV I try. |
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| 04:22.09 | jetscreamer | h00t: yeah but it's still what i said |
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| 04:22.19 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 04:22.50 | jetscreamer | did you create the kernel-headers .deb and install it? |
| 04:22.52 | mezmiro | hark: Every other video format works fine, but MKV's always crash the players. |
| 04:23.24 | h00t | yes |
| 04:23.24 | abrotman | mezmiro: try the player from a console |
| 04:23.25 | Gnea | oh whoops |
| 04:23.25 | abrotman | erm .. xterm or the like |
| 04:23.25 | Gnea | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libclamav.so.1.0.19 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 04:23.30 | Gnea | file /usr/lib/libclamav.so.1.0.19 |
| 04:23.31 | Gnea | /usr/lib/libclamav.so.1.0.19: HTML document text |
| 04:23.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:23.35 | Gnea | bwahahaha |
| 04:23.36 | mezmiro | hmm...wonder how I could do that xD |
| 04:23.37 | jetscreamer | http://www.matroska.org/ |
| 04:23.48 | abrotman | mezmiro: totem <file> |
| 04:23.53 | mezmiro | ahh |
| 04:24.29 | hark | h00t: try #ati |
| 04:24.34 | jetscreamer | h00t: the version mismatch 'may' be caused by /etc/kernel-pkg.conf ... man kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 04:24.38 | mezmiro | How would I execute one that has spaces in it? |
| 04:24.46 | hark | use \ |
| 04:24.50 | abrotman | \amethyst: that was quick! |
| 04:24.53 | mezmiro | ahh |
| 04:24.56 | jetscreamer | h00t: also when running make-kpkg you can pass --version= or so |
| 04:24.57 | trelly | " " or \ before the space |
| 04:24.58 | abrotman | or quote it |
| 04:25.08 | hark | use tab |
| 04:25.11 | Vasistha | mezmiro: and your tab-completion will usually work with spaces |
| 04:26.03 | jetscreamer | h00t: but if you compile your kernel, and the source is still in /usr/src/whatever , and you didn't make clean, THAT is your kernel-headers .. |
| 04:26.13 | h00t | hark, #ati is dead like lacy peterson |
| 04:26.20 | trelly | make mrproper |
| 04:26.23 | abrotman | that's not nice |
| 04:26.44 | mezmiro | Okay, the audio works but not the video. |
| 04:26.54 | mezmiro | and when I run the command through bash, it says: libhal.c 2282 : Error sending msg: Service "org.freedesktop.Hal" does not exist |
| 04:27.20 | abrotman | is libhal1 installed ? |
| 04:27.22 | abrotman | or hal ? |
| 04:27.48 | abrotman | (thouhg i'm not sure that's where they come from) |
| 04:27.56 | h00t | thanx jetscreamer i am burned out today i'll try tomorrow ... sorry to bail after your help but i just can't take this anymore w/out making another hole into the drywall |
| 04:28.03 | mezmiro | If it means hal as in hardware acceleration layer... |
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| 04:28.22 | abrotman | mezmiro: dpkg -l *hal* | grep ^ii .. see anything ? |
| 04:28.22 | mezmiro | then would that mean I would need working nvidia drivers? |
| 04:28.24 | jetscreamer | i know the feeling h00t |
| 04:28.27 | \amethyst | abstraction, not acceleration |
| 04:28.30 | hark | h00t: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/2/25/100 |
| 04:28.40 | jetscreamer | hardware abstraction layer |
| 04:28.56 | jetscreamer | windows even has a hal |
| 04:28.57 | mezmiro | ii hal, ii libhal-storage, ii libhal0 |
| 04:28.59 | jetscreamer | zomg! |
| 04:29.04 | abrotman | that's all the hal i know |
| 04:29.10 | mezmiro | ahh abstraction, that was the word :D |
| 04:29.11 | jetscreamer | hal900 has come home |
| 04:29.15 | h00t | hark, thanx |
| 04:29.15 | Gnea | and bingo was his name-oh |
| 04:29.22 | hark | that's hal i need to know too |
| 04:29.30 | \amethyst | most important word in computer science |
| 04:29.33 | jetscreamer | what the hal is that? |
| 04:29.40 | Gnea | IBM! |
| 04:29.47 | mezmiro | Which one do I need? |
| 04:29.51 | jetscreamer | silicone! |
| 04:29.54 | Gnea | I be emm!!! |
| 04:29.59 | jetscreamer | u be emm |
| 04:30.03 | jetscreamer | we all bm for ibm |
| 04:30.08 | mezmiro | and more importantly, how would I get a package using dpkg? I haven't done that yet ^_^; |
| 04:30.18 | Gnea | well |
| 04:30.19 | jetscreamer | you would install with dpkg |
| 04:30.25 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 04:30.35 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: is that from the DEC songbook? :) |
| 04:30.37 | mezmiro | Yeah I've done deb installations, but I haven't ever downloaded a file using dpkg o.O |
| 04:30.39 | Gnea | does your HP have an IP? |
| 04:30.51 | abrotman | mezmiro: dpkg doesn't do that .. apt-get or aptitude would |
| 04:30.59 | jetscreamer | \amethyst: i dunno... i didn't make it up, i think my father told me that one |
| 04:31.04 | mezmiro | weird..so dpkg -l just brings up an archive of stuff? |
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| 04:31.20 | abrotman | it brings up what is installed |
| 04:31.29 | abrotman | roughly |
| 04:31.32 | jetscreamer | a list of installed programs |
| 04:31.38 | abrotman | not all are installed :) |
| 04:31.45 | mezmiro | So that means I have hal already....right? |
| 04:31.54 | mezmiro | Or rather, I have it but I haven't installed it yet? |
| 04:31.54 | abrotman | that's what ii means |
| 04:32.01 | jetscreamer | if it's etch you should |
| 04:32.05 | mezmiro | It's Sarge. |
| 04:32.11 | mezmiro | Etch is a losing battle at this point. |
| 04:32.16 | abrotman | it is ? |
| 04:32.19 | mezmiro | It is! |
| 04:32.51 | maddash | 'losing battle"? |
| 04:32.53 | mezmiro | Until I'm finished with this quarter's college I'm not gonna go through the Etch process..too much data on here. |
| 04:33.18 | mezmiro | Pretty much, the last etch upgrade I did, everything got hosed. |
| 04:33.20 | Gnea | mezmiro: good call |
| 04:33.22 | hark | abstraction* |
| 04:33.37 | merlincorey | I LIKE etch |
| 04:33.38 | merlincorey | :p |
| 04:33.52 | Gnea | sid is bettar! :D |
| 04:33.52 | merlincorey | etch is like one of my favorite characters |
| 04:34.01 | mezmiro | I like the idea of Etch, but if it can't detect my nic card then I'm in a bind there. |
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| 04:34.02 | merlincorey | :p |
| 04:34.12 | Vasistha | abrotman: so, are you aware of any compelling reason *not* to manually edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
| 04:34.14 | merlincorey | yeah, that's no good |
| 04:34.22 | mezmiro | abrotman: So ii means I have it installed already? |
| 04:34.26 | abrotman | yes |
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| 04:34.37 | mezmiro | Hmm..what else could it be? |
| 04:34.42 | merlincorey | I just updated my Sid box |
| 04:34.44 | merlincorey | I think it's ok |
| 04:34.46 | merlincorey | :p |
| 04:34.55 | Gnea | my brain is sizzled |
| 04:35.01 | mezmiro | Or, maybe I should ask this. Could I even run AVI's with no hal support? |
| 04:35.03 | jetscreamer | what is all this 'etch can't detect my nic but sarge can' ... he's not the only person i've seen say that over the past 3 days |
| 04:35.04 | merlincorey | it's gotta be better than it was |
| 04:35.20 | jetscreamer | sure you can mezmiro |
| 04:35.23 | merlincorey | what kind of nic? |
| 04:35.40 | Gnea | jetscreamer: sounds like the method etch is using to detect hardware |
| 04:35.43 | merlincorey | I've always been able to DETECT mine, just wasn't able to utilize it until today |
| 04:36.00 | mezmiro | Integrated Intel 10/100 Ethernet/Intel 82562ET (10/100) |
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| 04:36.15 | Gnea | Detected? Yes. Insert module? Sure. |
| 04:36.17 | sid | What's a good way to backup my entire /home/sid; It's about 700 megs |
| 04:36.18 | mezmiro | That's the one. |
| 04:36.27 | jetscreamer | cp -a |
| 04:36.31 | Gnea | sid: throw it on a ced |
| 04:36.33 | Gnea | cd |
| 04:36.33 | sid | I want to ftp it to my Desktop, but I think ftp might have some problems with my file names and such |
| 04:36.33 | abrotman | sid: depends on your backup options/media |
| 04:36.34 | jetscreamer | burn it to cd |
| 04:36.39 | jetscreamer | what he/she said |
| 04:36.41 | sid | Should I just tar -c /home/sid|gzip -9 &> sid.tar.gz ? |
| 04:36.46 | abrotman | rsync ? |
| 04:36.46 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 04:36.52 | sid | my directories are too deep for a cd |
| 04:36.56 | jetscreamer | any of the above |
| 04:36.57 | sid | some directories go like 30 in |
| 04:37.01 | jetscreamer | don't use rockridge |
| 04:37.10 | jetscreamer | err... the windoes one |
| 04:37.16 | jetscreamer | joliet |
| 04:37.19 | jetscreamer | don't use joliet |
| 04:37.19 | Gnea | tar cvf /home/sid sid.tar |
| 04:37.24 | jetscreamer | zip |
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| 04:37.49 | mezmiro | Hmm okay, maybe I should ask this... |
| 04:38.10 | abrotman | no! |
| 04:38.16 | mezmiro | If totem can play the audio stream of the MKV file, does that mean it can read through the MKV container, but simply can't do anything with the video stream? |
| 04:38.34 | abrotman | oculd mean bad data .. do you have more than one to try ? |
| 04:38.43 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone know if there is a way to see interprocess communication facilities for Java? |
| 04:38.52 | abrotman | ask #java |
| 04:38.55 | mezmiro | It was from a torrent so that does checksums like crazy. |
| 04:38.57 | abrotman | or ##java |
| 04:39.01 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: too quiet, no one there |
| 04:39.08 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: but they know! |
| 04:39.11 | wad | Do any of you guys use awstats with named virtual hosts on your debian web server? |
| 04:39.11 | Led_Zeppelin | hehe |
| 04:39.15 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: it 'probably' means you're lacking a video codec |
| 04:39.33 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: apt-get install w32codecs ... it's on marillat |
| 04:39.38 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: you know if its possible a java process being killed too early, leaving a footprint on the system, still producing files? |
| 04:39.46 | mezmiro | Yeah I've got that one jetscreamer. |
| 04:39.48 | abrotman | ANFC |
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| 04:40.22 | jetscreamer | find out what codecs are in that .mkv container and see if you have them |
| 04:40.39 | mezmiro | hehehe, that's the trick. |
| 04:41.01 | mfrisch | mezmiro what crazy p0rn are you trying to save? |
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| 04:41.25 | mezmiro | I wonder if Gspot is under linux...I know that's a program for windows that does it. |
| 04:41.31 | mezmiro | lol mfrisch |
| 04:41.35 | abrotman | F-Spot ? |
| 04:41.43 | mezmiro | XD |
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| 04:41.55 | mfrisch | g spot? |
| 04:42.08 | hark | nah, that's a codec analyzer thing, iirc |
| 04:42.18 | junix-other | anyone know if newegg sell s-video to rca converters? |
| 04:42.22 | mezmiro | Yup that's the one hark. |
| 04:42.22 | junix-other | i can't find any |
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| 04:42.56 | mezmiro | I think they have -huge- converter packs with like 10-15 connector types..other than that I don't know. |
| 04:43.43 | junix-other | mezmiro: do you have a link? |
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| 04:43.44 | mezmiro | Nope I just remember seeing it a while back junix-other, I don't know what they have now. |
| 04:43.44 | mezmiro | But I do know they sell that kind of thing. |
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| 04:44.12 | maxamillion | i've seen screencasts of debian users running metisse ... is there some unofficial repository somewhere i don't know about? |
| 04:44.16 | junix-other | ok, i mailed there customer support team |
| 04:44.18 | jetscreamer | junix-other: i know radioshack used to sell them but doesn't anymore.. i bought one, but went back for another and they said 'we don't sell that' |
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| 04:44.32 | jetscreamer | junix-other: i know you can find them online though |
| 04:44.33 | Red_Cloud | I need some help with my menu.lst file. I have locked myself out of my debian OS and cannot remember my exact kernel version. I would like to know what to put on the initrd line of this file |
| 04:44.34 | abrotman | compusa maybe |
| 04:44.35 | junix-other | jetscreamer: i boughgt one ther etooo, for $20 |
| 04:44.49 | abrotman | grub supports tab completion |
| 04:45.16 | Red_Cloud | abrotman is that directed to me? |
| 04:45.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:45.43 | militant | small efficient nice bittorrent client? gui front-end availability a must |
| 04:45.57 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
| 04:46.03 | Red_Cloud | So I can put: initrd /boot/initrd* |
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| 04:46.11 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search bittorrent |
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| 04:46.12 | abrotman | ah no |
| 04:46.13 | LOLERSKATES | DCC SEND 0123456789123456 |
| 04:46.21 | militant | eh, i don't want a list. i want a recommendation |
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| 04:46.30 | perlmonkey | greetings |
| 04:46.37 | militant | never used bt on linux before |
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| 04:46.47 | mezmiro | Try bittornado, it's a nice client. |
| 04:46.52 | abrotman | jetscreamer: fix your router or connec to the alternate port |
| 04:47.05 | militant | ok |
| 04:47.26 | jetscreamer | i'm getting really pissed off with time warner |
| 04:47.28 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i changed isp's .... now i get this crap :/ |
| 04:47.33 | mezmiro | There are some other clients that use python or perl, stuff like that. But bittornado is compiled C++ if I remember right. |
| 04:47.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's your router .. not your ISP |
| 04:48.04 | perlmonkey | is there a cd label printing app available? |
| 04:48.08 | jetscreamer | abrotman: well it is a different router... any clue what i should change? |
| 04:48.28 | abrotman | jetscreamer: try looking for newer firmware .. if that still doesn't work .. connect to FN on port 8001 |
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| 04:48.32 | jetscreamer | mtu? |
| 04:48.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you're getting hit with the DCC crap |
| 04:48.56 | perlmonkey | maybe template for OpenOffice Writer? |
| 04:49.23 | abrotman | !info disc-cover etch |
| 04:49.28 | pickcoder | junix-other: Radio Shack still sells them. You can also pick them up at Circuit City and probably Best Buy too |
| 04:49.31 | dpkg | disc-cover: (Generate CD disc covers for jewel-cases), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.5.4-3 (etch), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 04:49.31 | abrotman | apt-cache search is so nice |
| 04:49.59 | junix-other | pickcoder: i also need to buy a vga fan |
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| 04:50.02 | pickcoder | you'll probably have to buy an A/V conversion cable |
| 04:50.11 | abrotman | !info cd-circleprint etch |
| 04:50.14 | dpkg | cd-circleprint: (prints round cd-labels), section text, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 80 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 04:50.32 | pickcoder | best buy normally stocks a small amount of fans |
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| 04:50.55 | pickcoder | I remember seeing a VGA cooling kit at the one here a could weeks ago |
| 04:51.02 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 04:51.22 | pickcoder | search their site to see if it's available for local pickup |
| 04:51.28 | junix-other | pickcoder: i don't want to pay out the ass for one |
| 04:52.41 | pickcoder | junix-other: their stuff isn't ovepriced but you can get one cheaper from a parts house |
| 04:52.48 | pickcoder | newegg is high on a lot of stuff |
| 04:53.01 | junix-other | pickcoder: yeah |
| 04:53.31 | pickcoder | if you know the size you need, you can get one from digikey |
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| 04:54.24 | jetx | firmware updated |
| 04:54.32 | jetx | gah |
| 04:54.33 | abrotman | jetx: i'm going to msg you |
| 04:54.52 | mezmiro | Ahh okay, it seems someone made a MediaInfo program as a codec analyzer. |
| 04:54.56 | mezmiro | Sweetness. |
| 04:54.57 | abrotman | damn it .. |
| 04:55.01 | merlincorey | bye bye Vista |
| 04:55.07 | merlincorey | it's good to be back on debian |
| 04:55.13 | merlincorey | AND on the net |
| 04:55.20 | merlincorey | I hated when those were mutually exclusiev |
| 04:55.24 | merlincorey | exclusive, too |
| 04:55.29 | abrotman | jetscreamer: seems better .. didn't throw you off this time :) |
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| 04:56.13 | jetscreamer | ahh cool |
| 04:56.16 | jetscreamer | thanks dude |
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| 04:56.42 | abrotman | we'll see :) |
| 04:56.49 | abrotman | at least .. i think that was it |
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| 04:57.35 | mezmiro | -_- |
| 04:57.42 | jetscreamer | i changed the mtu also to 1492 from 1500 |
| 04:58.03 | mezmiro | Okay, so... This program says type in "MediaInfo FileName" to use hte program......... |
| 04:58.33 | mezmiro | But then I get MediaInfo: command not found. I tried going into the directory of the file too and that didn't work. |
| 04:59.32 | hark | what is This program? |
| 04:59.42 | mezmiro | lol, just a sec. |
| 05:00.04 | mezmiro | http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en/Download Linux i386 version. |
| 05:01.17 | hark | you installed it? |
| 05:02.07 | Red_Cloud | abrotman thanks for the lead to tab completion |
| 05:02.54 | mezmiro | Yep. |
| 05:03.12 | mezmiro | Just did a tar -jxvf and bam. |
| 05:03.16 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 05:03.40 | hark | if bam == make install, then ok... |
| 05:03.47 | mezmiro | It does ;) |
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| 05:05.01 | mezmiro | I'm in the right directory and I type MediaInfo (the name of the executable) and it says "command not found" o.O |
| 05:05.19 | Sazpaimon | is there any working stable packages for mysql 5.0? |
| 05:05.19 | mezmiro | Pretty weird.. |
| 05:05.30 | Sazpaimon | I keep getting dependency errors, and backports isnt helping much |
| 05:05.40 | hark | ./MediaInfo? |
| 05:05.46 | Sazpaimon | i got mysql 4.1 installed fine though |
| 05:06.02 | hark | apart from backports, maybe not.. |
| 05:06.13 | mezmiro | Says.. 'GLIBC_2.4' not found...aha! |
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| 05:06.30 | \amethyst | mezmiro: for security reasons most Unix systems don't put the current directory in the path |
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| 05:07.02 | \amethyst | mezmiro: In general, you need to use ./program to run things out of the current directory |
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| 05:07.09 | mezmiro | Ahhh I see. |
| 05:07.22 | systemv | is there any way to download all files from site which is only one type of file like pdf ,doc ,swf |
| 05:07.59 | militant | but |
| 05:08.00 | militant | err |
| 05:08.01 | militant | uh |
| 05:09.30 | mezmiro | Hmm..what's with glibc? o.O apt-get says everything is up to date. |
| 05:09.52 | Sazpaimon | so anyone? is mysql 5.0 supported by stable? |
| 05:09.54 | \amethyst | systemv: man wget, look for -r and -A |
| 05:10.08 | systemv | ok |
| 05:10.13 | hark | 2.4 is only in experimental |
| 05:10.17 | \amethyst | systemv: there are other options you might want to set, like the timing, number of retires, etc |
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| 05:10.29 | \amethyst | s/tir/tri/ |
| 05:10.35 | systemv | say i want to copy all contect from http://www.astaro.com/ace_training/ |
| 05:10.44 | perlmonkey | can anyone recommend an app for creating cd labels, please? |
| 05:10.54 | \amethyst | systemv: all content, or just the docs and pdfs? |
| 05:10.58 | mezmiro | Yikes... So that means if I do install 2.4 it could theoretically make other programs not work? |
| 05:11.00 | kaled | hi |
| 05:11.33 | systemv | just pdf or swf |
| 05:11.38 | hark | mezmiro: yes, don't do it |
| 05:12.02 | \amethyst | systemv: wget -r -A *.pdf,*.swf URL |
| 05:12.10 | hark | perlmonkey: didn't abrotman do so? |
| 05:12.13 | \amethyst | systemv: err |
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| 05:12.28 | \amethyst | systemv: wget -r -A '*.pdf,*.swf' URL # quotes might be good, though not strictly necessary |
| 05:12.28 | systemv | ok |
| 05:12.33 | systemv | thanks |
| 05:12.43 | \amethyst | systemv: some sites won't like that :) |
| 05:12.59 | mezmiro | Geesh...so then I need another analyzer, or a mega uber codec pack that has -everything- in it. |
| 05:13.01 | \amethyst | systemv: you might want --limit-rate |
| 05:13.44 | \amethyst | systemv: or --wait and/or --random-wait |
| 05:14.03 | systemv | ic |
| 05:14.45 | \amethyst | systemv: Also, when using -r, wget respects robots.txt |
| 05:14.46 | intruder_ | \amethyst: thanks for the tip ;P |
| 05:15.05 | intruder_ | pretty nice for porn directories |
| 05:15.24 | perlmonkey | hark: hmm? |
| 05:15.30 | systemv | curl is better or wget |
| 05:16.08 | Sazpaimon | so yeah |
| 05:16.23 | Sazpaimon | looking online I'm guessing that mysql 5.0 isnt really supported by stable |
| 05:16.32 | \amethyst | systemv: wget is a standard part of debian, curl is optional. |
| 05:16.47 | \amethyst | systemv: That doesn't speak to which one is better, but that's why I suggested wget rather than curl |
| 05:17.12 | systemv | ok |
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| 05:17.43 | \amethyst | wget doesn't do GOPHER, so curl is obviously better :) |
| 05:17.59 | perlmonkey | hark: sorry I didn't see it (tis 5 in the morning), apologies to abrotman too |
| 05:18.06 | Sazpaimon | bleck |
| 05:18.07 | \amethyst | I fear the kids are too young to get it |
| 05:18.16 | Sazpaimon | I'll just stick with mysql 4.1 then |
| 05:18.29 | junix-other | i can |
| 05:18.44 | junix-other | i can't get samba to work on unstable, is there an issue with it? |
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| 05:19.08 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 05:19.51 | \amethyst | aha |
| 05:20.26 | \amethyst | found the option to turn of robots processing |
| 05:20.44 | perlmonkey | you guys are up late |
| 05:21.03 | \amethyst | forgot wget had info documentation, so of course that wouldn't be in the manpage |
| 05:21.13 | perlmonkey | wget --help |
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| 05:21.31 | \amethyst | perlmonkey: doesn't list the options |
| 05:21.37 | mezmiro | Hahaha...so the closest thing to a working codec analyzer I found is in German. |
| 05:21.39 | mezmiro | I love it xD |
| 05:21.51 | perlmonkey | \amethyst: does on mine |
| 05:22.08 | \amethyst | perlmonkey: the wgetrc options like robots=off ? |
| 05:22.47 | \amethyst | I mean, yes, it says there is an option called -e |
| 05:23.19 | \amethyst | but neither the man page nor --help listed the wgetrc directives |
| 05:23.28 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 05:23.49 | systemv | thanks very much |
| 05:24.10 | perlmonkey | you guys don't sleep much |
| 05:24.16 | \amethyst | I should have thought to check info, but the man page was pretty extensive, so I thought it was complete. |
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| 05:25.47 | Leibsle | could somebody explain how i can change the typical console from 80x25 to 160x50? |
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| 05:26.18 | hark | perlmonkey: disc-cover |
| 05:26.32 | perlmonkey | hark: many thanks |
| 05:26.43 | hark | perlmonkey: and cd-circleprint |
| 05:26.53 | n | you can change the config in the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 05:27.19 | Leibsle | n, who? |
| 05:28.19 | hark | perlmonkey: also for tray cards etc, cdlabelgen |
| 05:28.19 | perlmonkey | perl used in 2 cd labelling apps, nice |
| 05:28.19 | perlmonkey | hark: cool |
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| 05:30.12 | hark | vga=ask ? |
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| 05:32.07 | n | add vga=786 behind "ro" |
| 05:32.46 | n | 786 is for 800*600 |
| 05:32.59 | Leibsle | you guys talk to me, right? |
| 05:34.03 | systemv | perlmonkey: r u exprt in perl |
| 05:34.16 | systemv | expert |
| 05:35.15 | Sazpaimon | okay, for some reason i cant install mysql5.0 because i cant upgrade libreadline5 |
| 05:36.22 | perlmonkey | i just caused an accident :-/ |
| 05:38.09 | merlincorey | so, do I want to set up LVM? |
| 05:38.26 | merlincorey | or if I am unsure, is it something I can easily do later if i decide to? |
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| 05:38.37 | perlmonkey | merlincorey: you must search deep inside yourself and the answer will come |
| 05:38.45 | merlincorey | that's the nature of my question, is this my one shot to do it |
| 05:38.57 | mezmiro | Hmm...is there a difference between apt-get install libavformat-dev and apt-get source libavformat-dev ? |
| 05:39.04 | mezmiro | Will it put everything in the right directories? |
| 05:39.34 | mezmiro | I'm doing a ./configure on a source package and there are a few source headers missing, so I'm trying to get them ^_^ |
| 05:39.35 | merlincorey | dpkg doesn't care about the source, whether you built it, got it through apt, or downloaded the .deb yoursel |
| 05:39.45 | merlincorey | don't do a ./configure |
| 05:39.46 | merlincorey | stop |
| 05:39.48 | merlincorey | STOP |
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| 05:39.58 | mezmiro | o.o |
| 05:40.01 | merlincorey | you need to do dpkg-build or some such |
| 05:40.10 | mezmiro | really? o_o |
| 05:40.11 | Bogus8_ | OT: how do you spell "petty" as it "don't be so petty"? |
| 05:40.18 | merlincorey | petty, Bogus8_ |
| 05:40.23 | merlincorey | !spell petty |
| 05:40.24 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 05:40.26 | perlmonkey | why does debian put apps in funny places on the applications menu in gnome, and who decides where those go |
| 05:40.33 | Vasistha | According to aspell, 'petty' is spelled correctly. |
| 05:40.35 | mezmiro | http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/softinstall.html I was reading that, but is there another way to do it? |
| 05:40.36 | Bogus8_ | merlincorey: that's not how dictionary.com defines it |
| 05:40.43 | merlincorey | perlmonkey, check out update-menus script |
| 05:40.54 | perlmonkey | merlincorey: thanks |
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| 05:41.00 | mezmiro | The developers...freaky people really :P |
| 05:41.08 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 05:42.13 | nvz | man I've been on freenode for like 4 days without being in debian |
| 05:42.20 | nvz | #debian that is |
| 05:42.37 | perlmonkey | but you're here now, that's all that matters |
| 05:42.42 | nvz | yeah I guess |
| 05:42.45 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 05:43.02 | perlmonkey | nvz: we're happy to have you back |
| 05:43.11 | nvz | something happened I got disconnected and put into #debian-overflow when I came back and then kicked out of there for idling.. blah |
| 05:43.20 | nvz | I just never got around to typing /j #debian again |
| 05:43.25 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 05:43.59 | perlmonkey | that's a bad way to treat a member of the senior monkey hiearchy |
| 05:44.05 | Red_Cloud | abrotman I used the tab completion to ascertain the (hd0,1) and /vmlinuz. I could not determine the initrd. Could the file that I need be named linux.img? |
| 05:44.08 | wad | To make a change to /etc/cron.d/awstats is it sufficient to simple edit the file? |
| 05:44.16 | wad | s/simple/simply/ |
| 05:44.29 | wad | Or is there addition magic to be performed? |
| 05:44.31 | Sazpaimon | The following extra packages will be installed: readline-common |
| 05:44.31 | Sazpaimon | The following packages will be REMOVED: bc ftp g++-2.95 g++-3.3 libc6-dev libreadline4 libstdc++2.10-dev libstdc++5-3.3-dev locales netpbm python python-support python2.3 supybot xfsprogs |
| 05:44.33 | Sazpaimon | .... |
| 05:44.33 | Sazpaimon | what |
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| 05:44.37 | wad | s/addition/additional/ #yeesh |
| 05:44.39 | wols_ | Red_Cloud: yes |
| 05:44.45 | nvz | Red_Cloud: its way past Alex's bed time |
| 05:44.51 | Red_Cloud | wols thanks |
| 05:45.04 | wols_ | nvz: lies. I'm wide awake |
| 05:45.13 | merlincorey | so does anyone know if LVM is beneficial in a general manner if I am not expecting to need to have different file systems side by side, or is it just more flexible in general if I decide to make changes later? |
| 05:45.25 | wols_ | merlincorey: more flexible |
| 05:45.31 | nvz | heh |
| 05:45.41 | perlmonkey | wols_ what's your localtime |
| 05:45.42 | merlincorey | wols_, so then, I likely want it, and it isn't going to do anything TOO funky? |
| 05:45.51 | wols_ | perlmonkey: 6:44 |
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| 05:46.09 | perlmonkey | wols_: i'm -1 |
| 05:46.09 | nvz | wols_: I was talking about Alex Brotman |
| 05:46.11 | wols_ | merlincorey: want? personal choice. too funky: no |
| 05:46.31 | merlincorey | good deal |
| 05:46.42 | wols_ | nvz: I know what you was doing, but me and him share a very nice name :) |
| 05:47.09 | perlmonkey | sheesh i went to sleep early like 9.30pm cuz i was zonked out, then i awoke at 4.30am now my sleeping clock is all messed up |
| 05:47.18 | mezmiro | merlincorey: Just out of curiosity, what's bad about ./configure? |
| 05:47.54 | wols_ | mezmiro: general evilness of autoconf |
| 05:47.54 | merlincorey | mezmiro, in my experience with debian source packages, it is easiest to use the debian package tools to build and package and then install it than trying to muck it all about yourself |
| 05:48.13 | nvz | merlincorey: LVM is good for those afterthoughts.. allows you to throw in drives later and increase your partition size across multiple physical disks or simple reallocate the space you have.. if your home is 15gb and 100% used but your /usr is 20gb and 3% used then you can just take some of that unused space and put it elsewhere as needed |
| 05:48.26 | militant | guys... any 3d modeling environment in linux? i'm googling too, btw |
| 05:48.44 | wad | militant, blender |
| 05:48.49 | mezmiro | Blender is nice :) |
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| 05:49.11 | wad | Very powerful. Steep learning curve, though. |
| 05:49.14 | wols_ | militant: if it has to be free, blender would be the only choice me thinks |
| 05:49.23 | merlincorey | thanks wols_ , nvz |
| 05:49.30 | nvz | merlincorey: it also in theory could improve performance depending on how you set it up as there could be multiple disks or disk controllers sharing the same load.. but its really not like RAID in that aspect |
| 05:49.38 | militant | blender. okies. |
| 05:49.49 | merlincorey | yeah, I just have one scsi drive on this laptop |
| 05:49.54 | merlincorey | but I like the abstraction and flexibility |
| 05:50.01 | wols_ | merlincorey: scsi? in a notebook? |
| 05:50.14 | nvz | merlincorey: if you don't know how to resize filesystems and manage an LVM array then its useless of course. |
| 05:50.17 | merlincorey | wols_, yep |
| 05:50.19 | merlincorey | it says |
| 05:50.26 | militant | wols_ yeah kuz um. i used to work in 3dsmax and i'd like something that at least acts similar |
| 05:50.34 | merlincorey | SCSI1 (0, 0, 0) (sda) - ATA ST980812AS: 80 GB |
| 05:50.46 | wols_ | erm. that's no scsi drive |
| 05:50.54 | wols_ | it's a seagate SATA disk |
| 05:50.57 | merlincorey | yeah I see that now I typed it |
| 05:51.01 | merlincorey | but the label is |
| 05:51.11 | nvz | merlincorey: because LVM only manages the logical volumes doesnt touch things like the partition table or filesystems |
| 05:51.12 | merlincorey | details |
| 05:51.15 | merlincorey | I'm a code monkey |
| 05:51.15 | merlincorey | :P |
| 05:51.20 | wols_ | pretty much all disks use sdX now in linux, even PATA |
| 05:51.40 | merlincorey | well, I've been out of the loop for a long time now |
| 05:51.46 | merlincorey | I am coming up to speed thanks to you guys ,though |
| 05:52.00 | wols_ | how went the wireless? |
| 05:52.22 | mezmiro | militant: : Well, there are some plugins that can export to 3DSMax format, just so yanno ;) |
| 05:52.33 | merlincorey | well, I made sure I could install and operate ndiswrapper so I am pretty sure I can get it working on the lappy |
| 05:52.35 | merlincorey | but even if not |
| 05:52.45 | merlincorey | I now have the internet available on this one |
| 05:52.53 | wols_ | hz |
| 05:52.55 | wols_ | *gz |
| 05:53.07 | militant | mezmiro cool |
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| 05:53.17 | militant | lemme get scrollwheel going and i'll be in bu siness |
| 05:53.18 | wols_ | if "this one" has a 2nd NIC and the laptop too: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 05:54.04 | nvz | i used to skoff at fancy newfangled gadgets like scroll wheels.. now I can hardly live without them |
| 05:54.21 | nvz | I especially hate sitting down at someones computer who has a scroll mouse that doesnt scroll.. |
| 05:54.22 | merlincorey | wols_, alas, just the wireless on this one :P |
| 05:54.29 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: are you trying to use aptitude for the first time, after only using apt-get for a while? |
| 05:54.29 | wols_ | a nvz I still scoff at mice using usb tho |
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| 05:54.58 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: because aptitude will sometimes want to remove packages that it doesn't know you want. |
| 05:55.09 | Sazpaimon | I realize that now |
| 05:55.26 | nvz | wols_: ugh.. usb optical wheel mice are all I use anymore.. usually Microsoft Intellimouse.. they are the cheapest and they are good quality |
| 05:55.27 | Sazpaimon | I've just been trying to get mysql-server-5.0 working on the stable branch |
| 05:55.45 | Sazpaimon | the only way I was able to was by manually installing some packages from the testing branch |
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| 05:55.54 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: the options are 1) keep using apt-get or 2) use aptitude's front-end to explicitly mark as "manual" all those packages you want |
| 05:56.07 | Sazpaimon | I think I'll keep using apt-get |
| 05:56.14 | Sazpaimon | aptitude is kind of a pain |
| 05:56.25 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: as for mysql 5.0 ... you couldn't get the packages from backports? |
| 05:56.30 | nvz | wols_: you can usually get a Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse for aroung $5-10USD where the regular intellimice or other brands run like $14.99-$29.99 and upward |
| 05:56.35 | Sazpaimon | Vasistha, I tried |
| 05:56.40 | Sazpaimon | i got dependency hell |
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| 05:57.03 | Sazpaimon | it looks like it's taken care of though |
| 05:57.10 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: it's a pain at first, but ... aptitude is really, really great. Once you find the time to convert to aptitude, it's well worth it, and you'll never want to go back |
| 05:57.16 | Sazpaimon | no harm in having a *few* testing packages |
| 05:57.19 | Sazpaimon | right? |
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| 05:57.36 | niru | Debians which version uses selinux |
| 05:57.36 | merlincorey | yay |
| 05:57.42 | archville | Hi. I've installed initNG, replacing sysvinit and took away all non needed services. Now my boot time is about 14s. (Etch) ¿ Still any way to make it faster ? |
| 05:57.46 | merlincorey | base system installed :D |
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| 05:57.52 | arrenlex | I have multimedia keys on my keyboard that do not generate events. How can I make them work? |
| 05:57.53 | Sazpaimon | Vasistha, my biggest problem is that I'm using it with SSH |
| 05:57.54 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: depends...... *hopefully* not! |
| 05:57.58 | Sazpaimon | and though it has mouse support |
| 05:58.01 | Sazpaimon | it lags to hell |
| 05:58.02 | archville | ¿ Would a custom kernel help ? |
| 05:58.18 | nvz | archville: could. |
| 05:58.21 | Sazpaimon | So I'm going faster than it |
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| 05:58.45 | Sazpaimon | well mysql seems working |
| 05:58.59 | archville | nvz: ok |
| 05:59.14 | Vasistha | archville: sure, you can remove all the built-ins and modules that you're not using. Also, it might help to not only remove unneeded services, but to turn off udev's hardware detection, and explicitly define all your hardware |
| 05:59.38 | nvz | archville: I generally advise people to just psuedo-speed-up thier boot process.. move the login forward and push non-essential startup scripts last so that its bringin the rest up as you are loggin in and loading your desktop like windows does.. |
| 05:59.40 | Vasistha | archville: although I'm not really certain about that latter advice; I only saw it mentioned on the web somewhere, it may be a bad idea. |
| 05:59.55 | Sazpaimon | alright |
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| 06:00.00 | Sazpaimon | so do I want apache 2.0 or 2.2? |
| 06:00.07 | Sazpaimon | Ie never used 2.2 |
| 06:00.10 | Sazpaimon | *i've |
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| 06:00.15 | nvz | I also frown upon people who boot their pc enough to care about such things so... |
| 06:00.36 | archville | Removing built-ins and modules seems right to me. However, i don't think i have the skill to specify exactly my hardware, specially when i could change it some day. |
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| 06:00.48 | militant | hmmm changing mouse protocol to IMPS/2 didn't work. lemme see what else.. |
| 06:01.00 | arrenlex | nvz: That sounds interesting... how would I do that? |
| 06:01.07 | Sazpaimon | wait |
| 06:01.09 | enderxim | I've been using ubuntu edgy for the past few months and have been wondering whether or not to migrate to debian. I was just kinda looking for some support/reasons to do so... |
| 06:01.17 | nvz | militant: Option ZAxisMapping "4 5" |
| 06:01.20 | nvz | !scroll |
| 06:01.20 | dpkg | Ok we now that you know how to press enter. Now type at least one sentence before pressing next time. |
| 06:01.22 | militant | oh |
| 06:01.24 | militant | heh hang |
| 06:01.24 | Sazpaimon | why am I only seeing apache 1.3 for all builds |
| 06:01.28 | archville | nvz, ¿ How can i push login ttys forward ? |
| 06:01.29 | Sazpaimon | stable, testing, and unstable |
| 06:01.38 | gpm | enderxim: what kind of system are you running? desktop? server? |
| 06:01.45 | enderxim | gpm: Desktop mostly. |
| 06:01.46 | Sazpaimon | am I missing something? |
| 06:01.54 | nvz | archville: I haven't a fucking clue since you removed the system I am familiar with |
| 06:01.54 | gpm | Sazpaimon: you need to search for apache2 |
| 06:02.04 | Sazpaimon | oh right |
| 06:02.06 | gpm | enderxim: honestly, i'd stick with ubuntu. |
| 06:02.15 | Vasistha | archville: you've got it down to 15 seconds, that's nice. Man, I would think ... it's probably good enough ... but my system takes 3-4 minutes to boot |
| 06:02.16 | archville | nvz, is not removed, i have both, i choose initNG or sysvinit in grub. |
| 06:02.21 | gpm | enderxim: unless you have some gripes you think debian might solve |
| 06:02.51 | archville | Vasistha, i really like the way it works now, just trying to get it to the limit just for fun |
| 06:02.53 | enderxim | gpm: i like configurability. ubuntu seems a little too much like windows for my taste. it doesn't offer many options during the install, etc. |
| 06:03.20 | arrenlex | Dude! How did you get it to 15 seconds?! Mine takes over a minute and a half to boot... |
| 06:03.21 | enderxim | gpm: I used to run redhat, then fedora, then i switched to ubuntu. I was looking for something that would challenge me a bit more... |
| 06:03.22 | Vasistha | archville: well sometime last year, I came across a project designed to replace init, which was supposed to boot faster |
| 06:03.34 | archville | Vasistha, maybe upstart or rinit ? |
| 06:03.41 | gpm | enderxim: you mean you want to learn how to configure X on your own and stuff? |
| 06:03.41 | nvz | archville: well sysv uses numbers on the scripts cept my suggestion is tailored for desktop users who use a display manager doesnt really work for console only logins |
| 06:03.48 | enderxim | gpm: exactly. |
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| 06:03.58 | Vasistha | archville: heh, I don't remember! sounds like you probably know more about it than I do. In any case, my attitude is to stick with debian |
| 06:03.59 | militant | nvz didn't work, but i'll google |
| 06:04.10 | Sazpaimon | so does apache 2.2 have many improvements over apache2.0? |
| 06:04.20 | archville | nvz, ok thanks anyway, i'll look at it :) |
| 06:04.27 | arrenlex | archville: How did you get it to 15 seconds?! Are there any useful guides? |
| 06:04.51 | gpm | enderxim: well you can always go through the X file ubuntu generated and figure out what's going on...or if you want you can try and use something that's not guaranteed to work right away and struggle with it...either way you'll learn how xorg.conf works, i prefer to do it with the comfort of knowing i can fall back on something if i actually need to use my computer though |
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| 06:05.11 | archville | arrenlex, replacing sysvinit with initNG and removing every service not needed from startup |
| 06:05.25 | gpm | enderxim: the bottom line is that all the manpages and documentation to figure out the internals of gnu/linux are in ubuntu |
| 06:05.26 | archville | take a look there: http://www.initng.org/ |
| 06:05.40 | gpm | enderxim: it's just that they gave you all the defaults one would want for a desktop system |
| 06:05.54 | gpm | enderxim: that's the only real dumbing-down that happened. |
| 06:05.55 | archville | but use with care, it's more or less beta software |
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| 06:06.26 | merlincorey | yay |
| 06:06.29 | gpm | enderxim: if you install debian, you'll see that it's not that much more complex. in fact X configuration in debian is easy. |
| 06:06.30 | merlincorey | I have a little baby debian system |
| 06:06.50 | merlincorey | TEQUILA |
| 06:06.56 | gpm | enderxim: just food for thought. |
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| 06:07.08 | merlincorey | I soaked in a sea of alcohol, and arrived on a beach of cocaine |
| 06:07.09 | Sazpaimon | dammit |
| 06:07.10 | gpm | enderxim: knowing how debian works is a valuable skill, if you need it |
| 06:07.17 | arrenlex | archville: beta as in, when it fails I have to boot from a rescue CD and restore init, or beta as in, when it failes it trashes my hard drive and my computer explodes in a giant torrent of flame which takes the monitor and printer with it? |
| 06:07.18 | Sazpaimon | even backports uses 2.0 |
| 06:07.21 | enderxim | gpm: I see... well, I'm no linux guru, but I was looking to learn a little more, and I've heard "ubuntu is for users who can't install debian" so many times I thought I'd give it a try. |
| 06:07.22 | Sazpaimon | I guess 2.0 is fine then... |
| 06:07.24 | gpm | enderxim: and i'm definitely not one to stop someone from switching over |
| 06:07.41 | enderxim | gpm: looking forward* |
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| 06:07.52 | gpm | enderxim: well that *is* true, but that doesn't mean that you can't learn how gnu/linux works within ubuntu |
| 06:07.53 | militant | tried a couple things |
| 06:07.54 | militant | now orkie |
| 06:07.58 | militant | no workie even |
| 06:08.00 | archville | arrenlex, if it fails you can still boot with sysvinit, as you can choose what system to use in grub |
| 06:08.11 | arrenlex | archville: Awesome. |
| 06:08.24 | arrenlex | archville: I'll try it out... thanks. |
| 06:08.56 | gpm | enderxim: if you want an installation with absolutely no hand-holding, one that will really kick your ass, try openbsd or something. |
| 06:08.58 | enderxim | gpm: How does debian fare against ubuntu when it comes to gpl licensing? does debian use strictly open source software by default as ubuntu does? that is something that I do enjoy. |
| 06:09.02 | archville | np |
| 06:09.07 | enderxim | gpm: i was considering that as well. |
| 06:09.23 | gpm | enderxim: absolutely, everything in the "main" section of debian repos is totally free as in speech and as in beer |
| 06:09.27 | arrenlex | enderxim: debian has stricter freedom guidelines than ubuntu does. |
| 06:09.49 | distatica | enderxim: ubuntu is based on debian, and maintains the same strict rules for "free" software as debian does (unless using the non-free repository of course) |
| 06:10.21 | gpm | dfsg is probably stricter than whatever it takes to get into ubuntu main |
| 06:10.39 | gpm | i'm no expert |
| 06:10.45 | gpm | but i'm pretty sure that's right |
| 06:10.45 | arrenlex | (dfsg is "debian free software guidelines") |
| 06:10.53 | enderxim | gpm: thanks for the help. :-) I'll give it a go, see what happens. right now I'm enjoying playing about with different distros. i have certainly enjoyed ubuntu, so I think I'll enjoy debian as much or more. thanks to arrenlex and distatica as well. |
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| 06:11.05 | gpm | enderxim: as long as you're having fun |
| 06:11.19 | gpm | enderxim: we're here to help if you get through the install! |
| 06:11.20 | arrenlex | enderxim: I also find that debian tends to have newer versions of stuff in testing than ubuntu edgy does. :) |
| 06:11.32 | militant | ok, i have what looks to be a perfectly good mouse section in XF86Config ... but still no scroll wheel. it clicks but doesn't scroll. |
| 06:11.33 | arrenlex | enderxim: Oh, which reminds me... don't install stable. That's for servers. Install testing. |
| 06:11.35 | enderxim | arrenlex: another thing that I find important... |
| 06:11.44 | enderxim | arrenlex: gotcha, will do |
| 06:11.54 | gpm | enderxim: yeah, use testing or unstable...if you choose the latter, apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 06:12.28 | arrenlex | (unstable == cutting edge versions, but prone to crashing. I had an unstable install sour on me a few times so I stick with testing now.) |
| 06:12.45 | distatica | enderxim: unless you have another computer to access the net from, make sure you learn how to use apt, and setup networking for your type of network (ppp, ethernet, whatever) have the info first before installing, when you install debian you're just sort of left with a command prompt and the rest is up to you, usually the network is setup by default though. |
| 06:13.15 | gpm | arrenlex: i've used unstable with apt-listbugs for years with no major problems....caution's the word |
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| 06:13.19 | arrenlex | distatica: Really? I thought the "install a desktop environment" option from the debian installer installed gnome. |
| 06:13.24 | gpm | arrenlex: but stable's probably safer i guess |
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| 06:13.31 | gpm | er |
| 06:13.32 | lokkju_wrk | fucking sweet, debian is funning perfectly on my SRX77 (etch testing) |
| 06:13.32 | gpm | s/stable/testing |
| 06:13.34 | distatica | arrenlex: I couldn't speak for that sorry, I have never used it. |
| 06:13.38 | distatica | I assume you're correct though |
| 06:14.06 | Red_Cloud | I am still trying to get my linux OS to boot from grub. I have the "root (hd0,1)" and by tab completion I have determined "kernel /vmlinuz". My fstab location for this partition is "hda3" so the "root=/dev/hda3" But for the life of me I cannot get the "initrd" line correct. |
| 06:14.10 | enderxim | distatica: thanks for the advice. i do know how to use apt, networking has never been that much of a problem. |
| 06:14.19 | lokkju_wrk | now if I can just get the network manager pptp and wireless extensions (for gnome) working... |
| 06:14.43 | Red_Cloud | should the initrd line be "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16 ? |
| 06:15.01 | enderxim | Now assuming I did install from the stable release, how would I upgrade to the testing or unstable? simply updating my sources.list? would that break dependencies? |
| 06:15.02 | gpm | Red_Cloud: why not use update-grub? |
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| 06:15.21 | Red_Cloud | gpm I cannot get into my OS |
| 06:15.30 | arrenlex | I'm going to go try booting with initng... wish me luck. |
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| 06:15.41 | Red_Cloud | but that is a wonderful idea. I will go to solaris and do update-grub |
| 06:15.52 | gpm | Red_Cloud: chroot in |
| 06:15.56 | gpm | Red_Cloud: then update-grub |
| 06:16.50 | Red_Cloud | gpm my grub is solaris grub. I remembered to jot down everything but my menu.lst stuff for my linux. duh! |
| 06:17.15 | gpm | Red_Cloud: oh, well you could chroot in and get debian grub...that's the best advice i can think of |
| 06:17.23 | gpm | apt-get it, that is |
| 06:17.24 | distatica | enderxim: change stable to testing in your sources.list and run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:17.49 | enderxim | distatic: will that break dependencies? |
| 06:17.53 | gpm | enderxim: yeah, that should work just fine...or you could get a businesscard image and just install testing right away |
| 06:17.57 | distatica | it will upgrade everything |
| 06:17.59 | gpm | enderxim: no, it shouldn't. |
| 06:18.01 | distatica | so, no. |
| 06:18.29 | enderxim | gpm & distatica: thank you. hopefully I'll be back after the install. :-) |
| 06:18.48 | distatica | I suppose if you have stuff compiled from source, and you upgrade a library to a version that compiled program won't use, then it might do it.. |
| 06:18.53 | gpm | enderxim: good luck, be careful |
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| 06:19.21 | enderxim | gpm: always have my backup cd's. I am looking forward to it. ;-) |
| 06:19.25 | distatica | enderxim: have fun, debian isn't as scary as some people make it sound |
| 06:19.29 | distatica | err.. too late. |
| 06:19.56 | Vasistha | distatica: heh ... it *used* to be ... it still needs to shake off the reputation of old :-) |
| 06:20.14 | gpm | Vasistha: yeah, when did d-i get so good? |
| 06:20.59 | Vasistha | gpm: sarge and etch have both made major strides, I think. Even woody was better than its predecessor (potato?) but it was pretty rough at that time |
| 06:21.42 | gpm | Vasistha: yeah, i think when i first got debian it was around the time woody came out...it wasn't that bad though honestly |
| 06:21.53 | gpm | i think potato must've been rough |
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| 06:22.46 | DocPlatypus | I will remember forever all the jokes about how long someone's woody was up |
| 06:22.58 | gpm | haha |
| 06:23.25 | militant | so guys. i've exhausted google. is there some util i can use to configure the mouse, without messing with anything else, and get this scrollwheel working? |
| 06:23.33 | pythonic | iirc, my first debian was hamm. the installer was alright. |
| 06:23.40 | distatica | I love debian, always have always will, not just because it's easier than some others (because there are obviously even easier versions) but because I love apt, and I don't care what you say about anything else, apt is my baby. |
| 06:23.59 | gpm | pythonic: whoa! old school |
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| 06:24.16 | Vasistha | gpm: my very first linux experience was installing woody. I couldn't get internet working, and I eventually gave up on it. Then I tried mepis, and after a year or so of learning the ins and outs of linux, I came back to debian ... and sarge was here. |
| 06:24.37 | gpm | i guess i always just got lucky |
| 06:24.43 | gpm | plus i never had to deal with dialup |
| 06:24.46 | arrenlex | archville: Er... grub users can just append "init=/sbin/initng" to their "kernel image options" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst. <-- is that the initrd line or the kernel line? xD |
| 06:24.50 | liable | arrenlex: work? you get the package from alioth or compile it?? |
| 06:24.53 | distatica | gpm: lucky. |
| 06:25.00 | archville | arrenlex, kernel line |
| 06:25.07 | pythonic | yay for winmodems! |
| 06:25.12 | arrenlex | liable: The package is in debian experimental. I just didn't realise I needed to do stuff to set it up. xD |
| 06:25.12 | militant | christ |
| 06:25.13 | gpm | by the time i got my own computer that i could tinker with, i was in college :) |
| 06:25.19 | militant | winmodems were my downfall in the late 90's |
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| 06:25.21 | militant | :/ |
| 06:25.24 | liable | noice |
| 06:25.26 | militant | \USR 56k's |
| 06:25.32 | militant | made life miserable. |
| 06:25.42 | arrenlex | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 root=/dev/sda5 init=/sbin/initng ro |
| 06:25.43 | arrenlex | Thus? |
| 06:25.54 | pythonic | new release date: 2 april |
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| 06:26.08 | archville | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro init=/sbin/initng |
| 06:26.34 | arrenlex | Does the order matter? |
| 06:26.44 | archville | I don't really know, but it works that way |
| 06:26.51 | arrenlex | Kay, I'll switch it to be safe. |
| 06:26.53 | arrenlex | Wish me luck... |
| 06:27.01 | archville | I think "ro" should be first than initng |
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| 06:38.56 | gpm | dst change |
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| 06:39.23 | arrenlex | ...well then. |
| 06:39.41 | gpm | i forgot to prepend /msg dpkg |
| 06:39.58 | arrenlex | My mouse doesn't work, and my internet didn't come up, and it doesn't really feel faster, but part of my boot process is now in green. |
| 06:40.20 | gpm | w00t |
| 06:40.31 | archville | arrenlex, you can try to tweak it at /etc/initng/* |
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| 06:41.06 | archville | i didn't had that problems, even though i use a wireless card |
| 06:42.17 | arrenlex | I'll try and mess with it... |
| 06:44.08 | arrenlex | archville: I can comment stuff out in the runlevel settings with #, right? |
| 06:44.55 | archville | probably yes, my choice was to backup it and directly remove |
| 06:45.06 | archville | didn't really know if it accepted # |
| 06:45.41 | archville | algo try the 'ng-update show' command to see what is loaded |
| 06:45.45 | arrenlex | Ah... I guess I'll be adventurous. |
| 06:45.48 | arrenlex | Thanks. |
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| 06:45.58 | archville | and 'ngc -h' |
| 06:46.04 | archville | you are welcome |
| 06:47.31 | arrenlex | ngc -h just hangs. ng-update show produces the error "export: `myscript_fake-default=test up-fake: not a valid identifier" |
| 06:48.06 | archville | uh... that sounds like something does not work correctly |
| 06:48.23 | archville | ngc -h should show a list of possible commands to restart|stop|show|etc... services |
| 06:48.24 | arrenlex | How insightful. xD |
| 06:48.35 | arrenlex | Nope. |
| 06:48.46 | arrenlex | man ngc says it should, too... |
| 06:49.02 | cellofellow | May I ask a question involving a Debian Sarge Samba server and 2 Windows computers? |
| 06:49.16 | arrenlex | anyway, I'll try rebooting again, wml. |
| 06:49.19 | cellofellow | I thought I'd ask permission cause this isn't #windows, but they're no help. |
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| 06:49.33 | arrenlex | cellofellow: Sure. |
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| 06:50.38 | cellofellow | Sharing works fine. The windows computers, one Win98 the other WinME, can access the files just fine. |
| 06:50.41 | heroxbd | Hello everyone, has anybody successfully setuped a PulseAudio server on debian amd64? |
| 06:50.52 | arrenlex | Interesting. |
| 06:50.55 | arrenlex | 18 zombie processes. |
| 06:51.04 | cellofellow | But the printing doesn't work. I get an error that seems to be network based. |
| 06:51.06 | heroxbd | I am playing with it, but failed. |
| 06:51.16 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 06:51.34 | arrenlex | You know, I think I'll go back to the old system. I miss being able to use my computer. = / |
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| 06:51.50 | heroxbd | I read the http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=56543&sid=2314ee4a3b188b539cdbddb6e46dd94e |
| 06:51.58 | cellofellow | "There was an error writing to \\SERVER1\hplaser for printer (Network Printer 1): The network name cannot be found." |
| 06:52.05 | heroxbd | followed the steps, but no luck. |
| 06:52.06 | arrenlex | cellofellow: Pastebin /etc/samba/smb.conf while I reboot. |
| 06:52.06 | cellofellow | Shares and ping all work. |
| 06:52.09 | wols_ | cellofellow: printers show up in netwrok neigbourhood? |
| 06:52.15 | cellofellow | yes |
| 06:52.19 | cellofellow | ok, will paste |
| 06:52.23 | wols_ | cellofellow: what is the error exactly then? |
| 06:52.48 | cellofellow | I just wrote it up there, word for word. |
| 06:53.04 | cellofellow | That was when I tried to actually print. Installing the driver worked fine. |
| 06:53.30 | wols_ | cellofellow: don't use any spaces in your printer name |
| 06:54.00 | \amethyst | woot, fixed info.vim in vim7 |
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| 06:54.24 | cellofellow | no spaces |
| 06:54.31 | cellofellow | it's \\server1\hplaser |
| 06:54.41 | wols_ | "Network Printer 1" has spaces |
| 06:54.46 | cellofellow | oh |
| 06:54.51 | cellofellow | the local name you meant? |
| 06:55.05 | cellofellow | never had problems with spaces in local names. |
| 06:55.27 | wols_ | usually it's only share names yes |
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| 06:55.40 | arrenlex | My mouse moves again! God bless. |
| 06:56.01 | arrenlex | cellofellow: can I see /etc/samba/smb.conf please? |
| 06:56.08 | cellofellow | yes, one sec |
| 06:56.17 | cellofellow | [global] |
| 06:56.18 | cellofellow | netbios name = server1 |
| 06:56.18 | cellofellow | server string = This computer is a printer among other things. |
| 06:56.18 | cellofellow | workgroup = Gardner |
| 06:56.18 | cellofellow | security = share |
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| 06:56.20 | wols_ | cellofellow: use a livecd on the 98 or ME machine and try that way. linux clients might be more informative with error messages |
| 06:56.38 | wols_ | *sigh* |
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| 06:56.48 | cellofellow | oooooooops |
| 06:56.50 | arrenlex | ...er... all of it? From pastebin? |
| 06:56.52 | wols_ | cellofellow: use a livecd on the 98 or ME machine and try that way. linux clients might be more informative with error messages |
| 06:56.57 | cellofellow | I thought I'd copied th url |
| 06:57.13 | cellofellow | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10860/ |
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| 06:57.43 | cellofellow | I can use my Linux client. |
| 06:57.49 | cellofellow | hey maxamillion |
| 06:57.57 | maddash | "Linux client"? |
| 06:58.04 | maxamillion | hey cellofellow |
| 06:58.06 | cellofellow | desktop |
| 06:58.10 | maxamillion | cellofellow: fancy seeing you here |
| 06:58.13 | cellofellow | Xubuntu |
| 06:58.19 | cellofellow | my samba problems |
| 06:58.25 | maxamillion | ah, yes |
| 06:58.32 | maxamillion | the almighty samba problems |
| 06:59.09 | maddash | this is #debian, maybe #ubuntu will work better for you. |
| 06:59.15 | perlmonkey | why use samba for network printing when there's the wonderful cups? |
| 06:59.17 | cellofellow | if I can get my dad's WinXP laptop to use IPP I think I'll be allright for tommorow. |
| 06:59.27 | cellofellow | maddash: my server, the problem, is debian. |
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| 06:59.38 | wols_ | perlmonkey: cause windowsme and lower can't use IPP |
| 06:59.44 | perlmonkey | ah |
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| 07:00.07 | cellofellow | even though W2K was released BEFORE WinME. hmph. |
| 07:00.11 | arrenlex | cellofellow: This is my smb.conf for a printer that works for me. Try backing yours up and modifying mine to see if it will help? http://arrenlex.ls.la/smb.conf |
| 07:00.48 | arrenlex | cellofellow: Well it took them the extra development time to correctly implement the crashAndScrewEverythingUp() function. |
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| 07:01.06 | perlmonkey | Lexmark sux |
| 07:01.11 | maxamillion | cellofellow: what it really? |
| 07:01.11 | arrenlex | Why? |
| 07:01.26 | maxamillion | arrenlex: i like that ... i'm gonna write that down somewhere |
| 07:01.56 | cellofellow | that is funny. |
| 07:02.02 | cellofellow | maxamillion: yeah, it was. |
| 07:02.09 | cellofellow | a few months difference |
| 07:02.23 | maxamillion | rgr |
| 07:02.27 | arrenlex | me was released on september 14, 2000, and 2k was released february 17, 2000, according to wikipedia. |
| 07:02.33 | arrenlex | So yep. |
| 07:02.35 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 07:02.43 | cellofellow | stupid |
| 07:03.02 | arrenlex | What exactly was the point of releasing two operating systems in one year? |
| 07:03.10 | cellofellow | arrenlex: this works with Win98? |
| 07:03.34 | arrenlex | cellofellow: Er, I haven't tested it, but it should. Can't imagine why it wouldn't. |
| 07:03.49 | cellofellow | ok, I try it. |
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| 07:04.00 | maxamillion | arrenlex: one business and one home? ... and wasn't ME drastically cheaper? |
| 07:04.43 | arrenlex | What? Cheaper? Imagine that. I thought they'd try to pass off working only a third of the time as a feature. |
| 07:05.03 | maxamillion | arrenlex: LOL .... oh ... whew ... good times |
| 07:05.28 | arrenlex | Due to Windows Me's perceived problems installing, running, and shutting down, |
| 07:05.29 | arrenlex | LOL |
| 07:05.32 | arrenlex | I love wikipedia. xD |
| 07:05.52 | arrenlex | They make it sound like only three issues! |
| 07:06.43 | maxamillion | cellofellow: what was that application to install .deb files not in the repos and resolve dependencies on the fly? |
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| 07:08.02 | maxamillion | nvm ... got it ... gdebi |
| 07:08.18 | perlmonkey | wikipedia rocks |
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| 07:08.27 | perlmonkey | will it replace google soon? |
| 07:09.18 | maxamillion | perlmonkey: doubtful, but i think google will buy it before too long so it doesn't compete too much :P |
| 07:10.06 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 07:10.14 | perlmonkey | I saw Google has its own tv show now |
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| 07:11.12 | cellofellow | arrenlex: can I see this included /etc/samba/dhcp.conf too? |
| 07:11.22 | cellofellow | I wonder how this plays out with dnsmasq. |
| 07:12.05 | merlincorey | so |
| 07:12.08 | arrenlex | cellofellow: That file doesn't actually exist on my system. I keep meaning to take that line out... swat put it in for some reason. |
| 07:12.12 | DocPlatypus | maxamillion: I think Wikimedia is non-profit so it's technically "not for sale" |
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| 07:12.47 | perlmonkey | Wikimedia's status as non-profit/charity tho is a bit dubious now it's getting funding from corporations |
| 07:12.49 | merlincorey | which driver do I most likely want for use with ndiswrapper? the XP one, 2k one, or what? |
| 07:12.52 | intrade | anyone know when etch will be final? |
| 07:13.14 | intrade | um the one for your hardware :P |
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| 07:13.43 | cellofellow | gee, how do I convert a DOS-formatted text file to UNIX? |
| 07:13.57 | arrenlex | cellofellow: flip -u <file.txt> |
| 07:14.12 | arrenlex | cellofellow: Or dos2unix file.txt |
| 07:14.18 | arrenlex | I think you have to install those utilities. |
| 07:14.42 | arrenlex | Yep: flip - convert text file line endings between Unix and DOS formats |
| 07:14.58 | cellofellow | ok, aptitude running |
| 07:15.04 | \amethyst | or tofrodos |
| 07:15.04 | maddash | perlmonkey: like what? |
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| 07:15.40 | perlmonkey | maddash: high quality labels |
| 07:15.54 | maddash | "labels"? |
| 07:16.05 | intrade | no one know about ech release date? |
| 07:16.06 | perlmonkey | little bits of paper with glue on the back |
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| 07:16.14 | intrade | etch |
| 07:16.21 | maddash | perlmonkey: microsoft word. |
| 07:16.34 | maddash | perlmonkey: microsoft paint, then. |
| 07:16.34 | intrade | use glables |
| 07:16.54 | perlmonkey | maddash: windows doesn't even come close to linux capabilities |
| 07:16.54 | intrade | get thegimp win |
| 07:17.14 | perlmonkey | i need perl, i need dynamic labels |
| 07:17.28 | maddash | you realize that perl is cross platform, right? |
| 07:17.38 | perlmonkey | ha, have you ever tried using perl under windows |
| 07:17.55 | \amethyst | Cygwin :) |
| 07:17.55 | maddash | yes? |
| 07:18.44 | maddash | segmentation faults |
| 07:19.06 | maddash | that's one set of things that you can do in linux and not in windows. |
| 07:19.08 | arrenlex | Pf. using perl on cygwin on windows is like building a skyscraper on a broad, sturdy foundation that a bunch of enterprising people have somehow managed to balance on the tip of a fencepost. |
| 07:19.41 | maxamillion | intrade: etch will be released when its stable ;) |
| 07:19.42 | maddash | http://www.perl.com/download.csp#win32 |
| 07:19.46 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 07:20.13 | maddash | another thing is probably sshd |
| 07:20.32 | maddash | that's something you'd need linux for, unless you have some $$ to waste |
| 07:20.36 | perlmonkey | maddash: don't make me laff |
| 07:20.42 | \amethyst | You can install sshd on Windows |
| 07:21.05 | cellofellow | windows isn't a real multiuser system so chockes on that sort of thing. |
| 07:21.11 | intrade | maxamillion: i know that but when is it stabile lol becouse we wont get a new kanotix before its not stabile |
| 07:21.28 | maxamillion | intrade: no clue |
| 07:21.30 | \amethyst | cellofellow: NT is a real multiuser system. You just have to pay lots of money to have multiple users at once |
| 07:21.51 | maddash | cellofellow: ever heard of XP? |
| 07:21.53 | intrade | i tryed to google suposedly out since ages but |
| 07:21.55 | cellofellow | still, it doesn't do it right |
| 07:21.56 | intrade | http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3128387759.html |
| 07:22.00 | maxamillion | intrade: why does the kanotix release cycle have to do with etch ... isnt it based on sid? |
| 07:22.02 | maddash | \amethyst: that's not real sshd. |
| 07:22.03 | intrade | read here |
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| 07:22.30 | \amethyst | maddash: what's your definition of "real"? |
| 07:22.32 | intrade | no its based on etch kano wants it stabile the rest of the team who wanted it sid have split up |
| 07:22.34 | maddash | \amethyst: rdesktop |
| 07:22.38 | intrade | and made sidux |
| 07:22.50 | maddash | \amethyst: linux::sshd:windows::rdesktop. |
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| 07:23.43 | \amethyst | maddash: ah, being able to display "native" windows over it? |
| 07:23.54 | maxamillion | intrade: oh ... well then they need to update their website, still says sid http://kanotix.com/ |
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| 07:24.17 | intrade | i know kano is by hims self now i think |
| 07:24.26 | Sazpaimon | why does phpmyadmin want php4 if I have php5 installed? |
| 07:24.27 | maxamillion | intrade: ah, ok |
| 07:25.16 | intrade | i seen one or 2 still help him but thats about it others have no time they do sidux |
| 07:25.41 | intrade | he makes top scripts the kano |
| 07:26.14 | intrade | he got new one up his sleeve called ultimate grafix card detection |
| 07:26.49 | cellofellow | Sazpaimon: they are incompatible |
| 07:27.18 | Sazpaimon | i just tried it from backports and it seemed to work |
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| 07:27.48 | maxamillion | intrade: ohhh yeah, i've read about sidux on distrowatch before |
| 07:28.13 | intrade | yea there the ones from kanotix team ex team |
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| 07:29.13 | cellofellow | ok, in SWAT, what's a realm? |
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| 07:29.45 | cellofellow | never mind |
| 07:30.43 | arrenlex | cellofellow: I take it it didn't work for you? |
| 07:31.01 | cellofellow | nope |
| 07:31.11 | cellofellow | I'm just pulling out hair. |
| 07:31.27 | cellofellow | I think it may be my overall network setup, not Samba. |
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| 07:31.52 | arrenlex | Does /var/log/samba/samba.log contain anything interesting? |
| 07:31.55 | maxamillion | cellofellow: why didn't you have the resources to run eBox-platform again? |
| 07:32.02 | Nighteye | not sure |
| 07:32.06 | cellofellow | maxamillion: hard drive |
| 07:32.14 | cellofellow | arrenlex: let me look. |
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| 07:32.42 | maxamillion | cellofellow: ahhhhh |
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| 07:36.56 | cellofellow | I can use DNS with Samba, right? |
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| 07:39.33 | merlincorey | oh man I am never getting OEM again |
| 07:39.39 | merlincorey | good thing this laptop was free |
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| 07:40.59 | merlincorey | does anyone know of any interesting resource for getting windows wireless drivers? |
| 07:41.07 | merlincorey | preferably on the web |
| 07:41.09 | cellofellow | I know that smbclient freaked out when I had a computer with a DNS name and a windows share name didn't match. |
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| 07:41.37 | maxamillion | merlincorey: what driver you need? |
| 07:41.59 | merlincorey | the one for the broadcom 1390... I have the .inf but I need the .sys |
| 07:42.01 | maxamillion | cellofellow: you tried in #samba? |
| 07:42.21 | cellofellow | when I was fixing this Windows 98 installation, I needed drivers and driversguide.com got me about half of what I was hunting. |
| 07:42.23 | merlincorey | and my laptop didn't come with a driver CD |
| 07:42.27 | merlincorey | just a recovery partition |
| 07:42.29 | cellofellow | maxamillion: #samba is sleepy. |
| 07:42.30 | merlincorey | and I just found that out |
| 07:42.39 | maxamillion | merlincorey: ah, this laptop i am on now (from work) has a bcm4318, i was hoping you had to same and i could just dcc it to you |
| 07:42.40 | merlincorey | after killing the partitions and using LVM :D |
| 07:42.42 | maxamillion | cellofellow: ah |
| 07:42.53 | maxamillion | the* |
| 07:43.02 | nvz | merlincorey: blah blah blah |
| 07:43.03 | merlincorey | sigh, if it were a bcm43x I would be ok |
| 07:43.13 | djr_ | My apache2 wont start again after an upgrade. Running etch. I dont get clues using apache2ctl -e DEBUG. What should I do? |
| 07:43.34 | merlincorey | nvz, are you saying you have TEH DRIVARS? |
| 07:44.01 | nvz | merlincorey: no I am just saying blah blah blah |
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| 07:44.29 | merlincorey | nvz, that doesn't help me much, now does it? in fact, it hurts me here *points at heart* and here *points at knee* |
| 07:45.06 | nvz | merlincorey: yeah well listening to you blah blah blah with random line breaks and pauses was hurting me :P |
| 07:45.19 | merlincorey | sorry, I'm a stoner |
| 07:45.22 | merlincorey | that's just how I talk |
| 07:45.23 | merlincorey | :D |
| 07:45.25 | nvz | hah |
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| 07:45.47 | nvz | That sounds like and excuse not a reason |
| 07:46.10 | merlincorey | the reason is I need this damn .sys file and it apparently doesn't exist because the world hates me, sob |
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| 07:46.35 | merlincorey | I am contemplating trolling IRC for some windows user with my card and making them give me their shit |
| 07:46.46 | merlincorey | but then |
| 07:47.15 | nvz | s/am contemplating/have been/ |
| 07:47.17 | merlincorey | that could be bad as well or most likely just a waste of time |
| 07:47.20 | maxamillion | merlincorey: http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?fileid=187881 |
| 07:47.32 | maxamillion | 45 seconds ... google ftw |
| 07:47.38 | nvz | heh |
| 07:47.46 | merlincorey | dell kicks the shit out of hp if that's the right one |
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| 07:48.46 | maxamillion | merlincorey: according to the ubuntuforums, that's the bcm1390 driver that works |
| 07:49.24 | merlincorey | I couldn' |
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| 07:49.50 | merlincorey | I couldn't navigate through the crap on ubuntuforums... there was like a ton of crap on this card and most of it not productive |
| 07:50.11 | merlincorey | ok wtf |
| 07:50.16 | merlincorey | that had better be a .zip file |
| 07:50.21 | merlincorey | 52 mb |
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| 07:50.32 | maxamillion | merlincorey: i didn't navigate ubuntuforums ... i literally typed into google "broadcom 1390 drivers" |
| 07:50.34 | merlincorey | I have the HP .exe but it isn't a zip, it appears to be software |
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| 07:50.43 | nvz | !feed merlincorey |
| 07:51.13 | merlincorey | so you claimed victory before checking into it, max? :P |
| 07:51.33 | maxamillion | merlincorey: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092 <---- says the .EXE is a zip |
| 07:52.03 | maxamillion | merlincorey: nope, i just didn't screw with ubuntuforums search option because its relatively worthless |
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| 07:52.36 | merlincorey | thanks maxamillion |
| 07:52.38 | merlincorey | hopefully this has it |
| 07:52.46 | maxamillion | :) |
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| 07:55.29 | maxamillion | what's the difference between windowmaker, afterstep, and gnustep other than the people who code them? |
| 07:56.05 | vignesh | all different window managers... |
| 07:56.31 | cellofellow | no idea. Never liked em. Fluxbox is cool. Simple clean interface that can use wmaker/*step dockapps. |
| 07:56.34 | merlincorey | different approaches to the same problem |
| 07:56.41 | merlincorey | openbox is what I am using right now |
| 07:56.58 | maxamillion | vignesh: so basically openbox, blackbox, and fluxbox? |
| 07:57.03 | maxamillion | vignesh: same concept? |
| 07:57.06 | vignesh | yes |
| 07:57.09 | maxamillion | k |
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| 07:57.15 | merlincorey | yeah they follow the same line |
| 07:57.17 | maxamillion | merlincorey: why open over flux? |
| 07:57.24 | merlincorey | I am a minimalist |
| 07:57.30 | vignesh | speed and personal likes i guess |
| 07:57.37 | merlincorey | I only have a clock if I want to and it's docked in the top right |
| 07:57.56 | merlincorey | but I currently also have wmXMMS and wmmixer |
| 07:58.40 | maxamillion | merlincorey: interesting |
| 07:58.43 | vignesh | I had around 15 different window manager options in my gdm |
| 07:58.59 | vignesh | now I just have gnome.. |
| 07:59.05 | maxamillion | lol |
| 07:59.27 | merlincorey | yay |
| 07:59.28 | merlincorey | it was a zip |
| 07:59.34 | merlincorey | yay I see my driver |
| 07:59.39 | maxamillion | i ran many different things ... each week it was different, then gnome for a few years and xfce for the past couple years |
| 07:59.44 | merlincorey | nice google-fu, maxamillion |
| 07:59.49 | maxamillion | merlincorey: thankies |
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| 08:00.11 | cellofellow | started with Fluxbox on DSL, then KDE on Knoppix and Kubuntu, then XFCE on Xubuntu, now Fluxbox on Xubuntu. |
| 08:01.14 | merlincorey | ummm |
| 08:01.25 | merlincorey | how do I know if I will need to cut out the firmware for this? |
| 08:01.26 | maxamillion | soon to be fluxbuntu cellofellow? |
| 08:01.28 | merlincorey | find out? |
| 08:01.31 | merlincorey | (that's my current path) |
| 08:01.42 | cellofellow | maxamillion: I think I'll stick with a more supported distro. |
| 08:01.53 | maxamillion | merlincorey: did you read that link i showed you? it has a step by step ... might mention something like that |
| 08:01.53 | cellofellow | I still use XFCE, on my other box. |
| 08:02.01 | maxamillion | cellofellow: rgr |
| 08:02.18 | maxamillion | cellofellow: well if you want support, why not run debian or just ubuntu-base and install what you want ;) |
| 08:02.32 | vignesh | thats what I do.. |
| 08:02.34 | cellofellow | I do that. |
| 08:02.54 | vignesh | I install a command line system and build uo using aptitute or apt |
| 08:03.02 | vignesh | up * |
| 08:03.36 | maxamillion | aptitude ftw |
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| 08:04.45 | vignesh | Heh.. sorry.. spelling mistake |
| 08:04.50 | vignesh | ;-) |
| 08:05.19 | maxamillion | no worries |
| 08:05.36 | cellofellow | vignesh: I just installed Xubuntu monday. I used the ubuntu alt cd to install the base system, then added what I wanted. |
| 08:05.48 | liable | eww |
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| 08:06.10 | vignesh | cellofellow: cool ! I am currenly on Edubuntu daily build |
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| 08:06.30 | vignesh | I use Debian Etch weekly builds too.. :-) |
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| 08:06.47 | intrade | i run kanotix-etch |
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| 08:07.15 | vignesh | anyone using a dual core mobo ? |
| 08:07.31 | intrade | yup |
| 08:07.32 | maxamillion | vignesh: i so at work |
| 08:07.42 | maxamillion | do* |
| 08:07.42 | intrade | but not installed os so far |
| 08:07.53 | intrade | i got a core 2 duo |
| 08:08.12 | intrade | with asus p5d delux mobo |
| 08:08.23 | intrade | use kanotix rce 4 live on it |
| 08:08.29 | maxamillion | vignesh: i have an Athlon X2 at work |
| 08:09.17 | perlmonkey | is Ultra Sparc IIi faster than P3 |
| 08:09.24 | vignesh | I have an Intel Dual Core 946GZ mobo |
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| 08:09.46 | vignesh | I have problems with video and audio.. hope its fixed soon... |
| 08:09.46 | intrade | i only got sata drives on my core 2 |
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| 08:10.01 | vignesh | intrade: u have the same mobo ? |
| 08:10.07 | intrade | na |
| 08:10.07 | obnauticus | I have a question, how do I kill xterm in debian to install the drivers for my graphics card. |
| 08:10.13 | obnauticus | Because killall xterm doesn't seem to be working. |
| 08:10.14 | intrade | got asus p5d delux |
| 08:10.24 | perlmonkey | do you guys recommend SCSI or SATA |
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| 08:10.33 | intrade | only sata |
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| 08:10.35 | obnauticus | sorry.. |
| 08:10.36 | vignesh | even xgl doesn`t work on my mobo but aiglx works great |
| 08:10.38 | intrade | nothing else |
| 08:10.50 | perlmonkey | isn't SCSI superior to SATA tho |
| 08:10.56 | intrade | use sata dvd burner hdd all sata only |
| 08:11.04 | intrade | kano told me use sata |
| 08:11.12 | intrade | he is pro in that stuff |
| 08:11.17 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 08:11.20 | obnauticus | Anyone? |
| 08:11.36 | perlmonkey | sata has higher capacity than scsi and is cheaper i guess |
| 08:11.50 | intrade | that be it then |
| 08:12.03 | intrade | i got a crap grafix card |
| 08:12.07 | perlmonkey | but scsi may have the edge on performance critical applications |
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| 08:12.10 | maddash | obnauticus: erm, send it a sigkill? |
| 08:12.11 | intrade | 7100 nvidia |
| 08:12.12 | streuner_ | obnauticus: you need another driver for X, why? |
| 08:12.34 | maddash | obnauticus: switch to console mode, and then `killall -9 xterm` |
| 08:12.37 | obnauticus | well, i'm trying that |
| 08:12.41 | obnauticus | but debian just starts it back up. |
| 08:12.51 | intrade | you want a 965 boaRD |
| 08:12.57 | obnauticus | I need to install the nVidia drivers for my cards... |
| 08:13.01 | obnauticus | and I apperentally need to kill X to do that. |
| 08:13.09 | intrade | core2 duo is fastest so far for price |
| 08:13.19 | intrade | ddr 800 you want also |
| 08:13.24 | intrade | nothing less |
| 08:13.26 | streuner_ | Do NOT use nvidia binary drivers from there website |
| 08:13.41 | obnauticus | Where should I get them then? |
| 08:13.45 | Archville | streuner_, ¿ why not ? |
| 08:13.46 | perlmonkey | does anyone use Sun Microsystems hardware? |
| 08:13.55 | streuner_ | "nv" is all you need |
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| 08:14.06 | obnauticus | ? |
| 08:14.07 | cellofellow | I use nvidia thank you. |
| 08:14.07 | streuner_ | just choose 'nv' when asking about |
| 08:14.08 | perlmonkey | streuner: you must be a sun user right? |
| 08:14.11 | vignesh | nv doesn`t support 3D |
| 08:14.13 | obnauticus | Even for beryl? |
| 08:14.14 | streuner_ | !drxx obnauticus |
| 08:14.15 | dpkg | obnauticus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:14.15 | vignesh | only 2D |
| 08:14.17 | streuner_ | no |
| 08:14.24 | obnauticus | I want to get beryl working.. |
| 08:14.30 | intrade | this is how we do grafix driver for nvidia on kanotx |
| 08:14.33 | intrade | intrade: "nvidia" is update-scripts-kanotix.sh : [Alt] + [Ctrl] + [F1] --> login as root ; install-nvidia-debian.sh : add -h to see options |
| 08:14.35 | perlmonkey | no sun for streuner, anyone else use sun? |
| 08:14.41 | streuner_ | obnauticus: in oder to use beryl you need 3D support and only 'nvidia-glx' supports that |
| 08:14.48 | intrade | f7 to get back lol |
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| 08:15.06 | streuner_ | !info nvidia-glx |
| 08:15.09 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (sid), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 08:15.22 | CppIsWeird | how do i uninstall a package i installed via apt-get install |
| 08:15.25 | intrade | ah yu got a bot here also |
| 08:15.32 | streuner_ | CppIsWeird: man apt-get |
| 08:15.38 | intrade | CppIsWeird: |
| 08:15.40 | maddash | CppIsWeird: apt-get remove |
| 08:15.41 | intrade | like this |
| 08:15.45 | CppIsWeird | ty madd_matt |
| 08:15.48 | CppIsWeird | * maddash |
| 08:15.50 | intrade | apt-get remove --purge paketname |
| 08:16.04 | intrade | purge nukes it fully |
| 08:16.18 | maddash | CppIsWeird: if you want to remove dependencies AND save keystrokes, `aptitude purge` |
| 08:16.28 | cellofellow | it gets rid of the stuff in /etc that got added. |
| 08:16.31 | perlmonkey | im amazed nobody using sun in #debian |
| 08:16.49 | streuner_ | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 08:16.50 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
| 08:16.52 | maddash | perlmonkey: I am. |
| 08:16.53 | vignesh | perlmonkey: heh.. I `ve used solaris. but never used sun h/w |
| 08:17.00 | cellofellow | I suppose Sun won back some customers with OpenSolaris. |
| 08:17.07 | perlmonkey | vignesh: why no sun hardware? |
| 08:17.22 | fooz | can't buy sun hardware at Fry's |
| 08:17.25 | cellofellow | who can afford big-iron hardware? |
| 08:17.27 | perlmonkey | maddash: what do you run |
| 08:17.34 | CppIsWeird | how do i get to the options in the top of aptitude? |
| 08:17.41 | vignesh | Alt + |
| 08:17.50 | darkstego | never got the need for opensolaris |
| 08:17.51 | vignesh | Alt + A for actions and so on.. |
| 08:17.56 | darkstego | although zfs is nice |
| 08:18.00 | maddash | perlmonkey: etch |
| 08:18.05 | intrade | ctrl c to abort :P |
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| 08:18.14 | vignesh | Heh.. :-) |
| 08:18.15 | perlmonkey | maddash: no i meant what sun hardware |
| 08:18.25 | CppIsWeird | alt a does nothing |
| 08:18.40 | maddash | perlmonkey: good question. let me dig up an old pastebin.... |
| 08:18.45 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 08:18.50 | streuner_ | obnauticus: install nvidia-glx |
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| 08:19.23 | vignesh | CppIsWeird: sorry Ctrl + T |
| 08:19.29 | darkstego | do people need workstations these days? |
| 08:19.33 | obnauticus | streuner_, umm what's that |
| 08:19.42 | obnauticus | apt-get is saying no rc is avliable. |
| 08:19.46 | perlmonkey | darkstego: sure, I'm using a HP workstation now |
| 08:19.58 | darkstego | perlmonkey: but, do you need it? |
| 08:20.02 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 08:20.23 | intrade | obnauticus: probably have to add the rc sources to sources.list |
| 08:20.26 | streuner_ | obnauticus: nvidia-glx is the packaged by Debian, its the binary from there website, but packaged, also non-free |
| 08:20.35 | streuner_ | version* |
| 08:20.48 | darkstego | modern high-end desktops comes with multi-GB ram, multi-core... why would someone *need* a workstation? |
| 08:20.49 | intrade | !version |
| 08:20.49 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 08:20.50 | obnauticus | Well I tried downloading the bin from debian's site. |
| 08:20.55 | obnauticus | But umm apperentally it won't run |
| 08:21.01 | streuner_ | obnauticus: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 08:21.05 | maddash | ah, here we go: http://pastebin.ca/373073?srch=sparky |
| 08:21.09 | maddash | perlmonkey: ^^^ |
| 08:21.18 | obnauticus | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 08:21.19 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 | tail -1 |
| 08:21.20 | obnauticus | oops |
| 08:21.22 | obnauticus | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:21.28 | perlmonkey | darkstego: perhaps someone doesn't have or can't afford "modern, high-end, multi-GB ram multi-core desktop" |
| 08:21.32 | streuner_ | !info nvidia-glx etch |
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| 08:21.35 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 08:21.36 | perlmonkey | workstations are much cheaper |
| 08:21.51 | merlincorey | which command reconfigures apt's sources with dpkg? |
| 08:21.53 | streuner_ | obnauticus: sounds like you need non-free in your sources.list |
| 08:21.58 | darkstego | how much for a workstation? |
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| 08:22.02 | streuner_ | in stable/sarge apt-setup |
| 08:22.06 | obnauticus | streuner_, im a debian nub |
| 08:22.07 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 08:22.10 | darkstego | and what type of work requires a workstation? |
| 08:22.17 | perlmonkey | any |
| 08:22.21 | streuner_ | !tell obnauticus about non-free |
| 08:22.21 | Gnea | perlmonkey: i have a sunstation5, haven't booted it up in over a year |
| 08:22.27 | perlmonkey | Gnea: cool |
| 08:22.30 | Gnea | er, sparcstation5 |
| 08:22.30 | streuner_ | !n00b |
| 08:22.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, n00b is l33t jargon for newbie. |
| 08:22.31 | merlincorey | or well |
| 08:22.32 | merlincorey | you know |
| 08:22.44 | merlincorey | with whatever setting you set the package configuration to be |
| 08:22.55 | Gnea | perlmonkey: are you interested in it or are you looking for something a bit more modern? |
| 08:22.56 | perlmonkey | Gnea: does it run the Sparc II or III cpu? |
| 08:22.57 | streuner_ | obnauticus: don't tell us you are a newbie, just read |
| 08:23.02 | obnauticus | I am streuner_ |
| 08:23.04 | streuner_ | ok |
| 08:23.11 | intrade | !alien perlmonkey |
| 08:23.11 | Gnea | perlmonkey: hrm, neither, it's a sparcstation 5.... |
| 08:23.14 | perlmonkey | Gnea: oh are you selling it? |
| 08:23.29 | Gnea | perlmonkey: i might.... iirc, it's a fujitsu cpu |
| 08:23.29 | merlincorey | specifically, I got the wireless working on my laptop so now I would like to update my sources on the web |
| 08:24.01 | perlmonkey | Gnea: are you in the UK? |
| 08:24.03 | merlincorey | but I am getting nowhere with dpkg-reconfiguring apt-get, and variants |
| 08:24.03 | maddash | psht. my sparc ownz. badly. |
| 08:24.04 | streuner_ | obnauticus: ok, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free to the end of the line 'deb http:blahblah' |
| 08:24.06 | Gnea | perlmonkey: no |
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| 08:24.18 | perlmonkey | ah, shipping would be high then :-/ |
| 08:24.19 | merlincorey | wasn't there like apt-setup or something? |
| 08:24.30 | intrade | to edit sources use root file manager its in system |
| 08:24.38 | Gnea | ain't no such thing as a free lunch lol |
| 08:24.46 | fooz | Gnea, use it as oil change ramps |
| 08:24.50 | streuner_ | obnauticus: run as root 'apt-get update && apt-get install nvidia-glx' when edited sources.list |
| 08:24.53 | perlmonkey | I'm curious to learn more about SunStation5 tho |
| 08:24.59 | intrade | and use sux |
| 08:25.04 | intrade | !sux |
| 08:25.05 | dpkg | [sux] su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 08:25.08 | obnauticus | streuner_, i figured that much out already |
| 08:25.08 | obnauticus | I |
| 08:25.10 | Gnea | fooz: you might be onto something ... |
| 08:25.13 | obnauticus | don't really want to be THAT spoonfed |
| 08:25.17 | obnauticus | it's a pain in the ass for you |
| 08:25.17 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 08:25.23 | streuner_ | ok |
| 08:25.34 | perlmonkey | Gnea: how does it run performance wise compared to say a PIII-600 |
| 08:25.40 | Gnea | perlmonkey: i may have typo'd - not sure if a SunStation5 exists |
| 08:25.40 | fooz | hahaha |
| 08:25.42 | obnauticus | it keeps saying no RC is avaliable even know I did what you said.. |
| 08:25.47 | intrade | i never use su always sux |
| 08:25.57 | obnauticus | wait hold on |
| 08:26.10 | streuner_ | obnauticus: you need kernel-modules (nvidia), if they don't exist for your kernel check out nvidia one-liner (factoid) |
| 08:26.18 | obnauticus | k, it's good now streuner_ |
| 08:26.22 | maxamillion | my isp fails at life |
| 08:26.22 | obnauticus | wait, nevermind it isn't. |
| 08:26.23 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 08:26.28 | Gnea | perlmonkey: hrm... as a server, i'd rather use the sparc... as a workstation, not sure |
| 08:27.02 | vignesh | bye guys.. cya later :-) |
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| 08:28.15 | streuner_ | obnauticus: you are the first one who said, he don't want any further infos, that's pretty new for us :-) |
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| 08:28.41 | obnauticus | streuner_, im pretty good at running FreeBSD, and when a noob comes in and want's me to spoon feed him it's a pain in the ass. |
| 08:28.50 | obnauticus | What will also suprise you then is the fact that I'm 15. |
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| 08:29.05 | streuner_ | spoonfeeding is, true |
| 08:29.12 | Gnea | obnauticus: how do i use ls? |
| 08:29.16 | obnauticus | ... |
| 08:29.18 | obnauticus | man ls |
| 08:29.18 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 08:29.19 | Gnea | LOL |
| 08:29.20 | Gnea | j/k |
| 08:29.23 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:29.52 | fooz | HOW TO INSTALL NVIDAI DRIVER !!!!!!?????!!!!!!!?!!!!11 |
| 08:30.06 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 08:30.08 | Gnea | GET THE PACKAGE AND INSTLAL IT!! |
| 08:30.09 | liable | you fuxorz! |
| 08:30.12 | fooz | well, BeOS doesn't work in virtualbox. dang |
| 08:30.36 | sussudio | %foozball |
| 08:30.36 | badgers | How to play foozball; Tie a fooz to a fussball table and drop mouseballs (the little heavy ones) In strategic places. You get a point for every scream of agony. |
| 08:30.54 | fooz | o/~ sussussudio! o/~ |
| 08:30.58 | obnauticus | K, streuner_ I got it working on my own. |
| 08:31.02 | maxamillion | fooz: you running etch? |
| 08:31.04 | obnauticus | :) |
| 08:31.13 | fooz | omg |
| 08:31.14 | fooz | maxamillion, no |
| 08:31.21 | streuner_ | !congratulate obnauticus |
| 08:31.21 | dpkg | Woohoo obnauticus, you did it! |
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| 08:31.28 | obnauticus | streuner_, It is a mericle. |
| 08:31.34 | cellofellow | maxamillion: just curious, which do you prefer? sarge, etch, sid, or ubuntu? |
| 08:31.42 | obnauticus | I'm so used to freebsd that I am trying to use easy-edit all the time |
| 08:31.56 | cellofellow | make a symlink or something. |
| 08:31.58 | fooz | wtf is easy edit? |
| 08:31.59 | cellofellow | an alias. |
| 08:32.00 | maxamillion | cellofellow: testing branch for desktops, stable for servers ... that's always been my rule of thumb for my usage |
| 08:32.07 | obnauticus | Whenever someone says "Edit" (filename) I always type "edit" filename no matter what distro im in |
| 08:32.08 | Gnea | obnauticus: do you live in the states? |
| 08:32.09 | cellofellow | ok |
| 08:32.14 | obnauticus | Gnea, yes. |
| 08:32.20 | fooz | Unstable for desktops, unstable for servers! |
| 08:32.22 | maxamillion | cellofellow: to in respect to the current branches, etch for desktop and sarge for server |
| 08:32.25 | maxamillion | :) |
| 08:32.26 | merlincorey | do I want to install x-window-system transitional package or the xorg package? |
| 08:32.47 | obnauticus | Why though, Gnea |
| 08:33.18 | Gnea | obnauticus: ah ok - one thing i've noticed, is that the countries that get outsourced to for cheap labor, the people there have no idea what they're doing - they're not lucky(?) like us to have grown up with computers in the home, at school, at work, when we drive, when we shop, etc |
| 08:33.34 | obnauticus | Gnea, affermative. |
| 08:33.49 | fooz | Gnea, same with people in the US. fucking ignorant savages |
| 08:33.51 | obnauticus | I considor myself a spoiled brat. |
| 08:34.08 | obnauticus | I have two HP ProLiant DL380 G4's in my house, and 3 other servers... |
| 08:34.21 | Gnea | fooz: typically the 35+ old crowd and the spoiled rich-bitches |
| 08:34.23 | merlincorey | apparently I choose xorg |
| 08:34.25 | Gokee2 | Is there a easy way to install xorg on a stable debain install? |
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| 08:34.31 | merlincorey | because I am not a sarge user |
| 08:34.36 | obnauticus | fooz, I agree. |
| 08:34.39 | streuner_ | Gokee2: /msg dpkg backports |
| 08:34.49 | Gokee2 | streuner_, ty |
| 08:35.03 | obnauticus | One thing I have noticed is that the average american thinks that 4mbps down is "fast," and they are willing to pay 40$s/mo for it. In sweeden they have 100mbit lines for 10$s/yr. |
| 08:35.07 | Gnea | 96% of US youth can troubleshoot and fix a computer, or they know someone who can. |
| 08:35.19 | streuner_ | Gokee2: np |
| 08:35.26 | fooz | Gnea, well I wouldn't go that far |
| 08:35.28 | fooz | maybe 9.6% |
| 08:35.31 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 08:35.38 | Gnea | obnauticus: who, in the US, offers 100mbit lines for $10/year? |
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| 08:35.48 | fooz | but I'm in Vegas, so. |
| 08:35.49 | obnauticus | Nobody, I said in sweeden. |
| 08:36.02 | obnauticus | In the US, you get a T1 line for 300$s/mo |
| 08:36.07 | obnauticus | of cource it's got good latency though |
| 08:36.10 | obnauticus | can't deny that. |
| 08:36.23 | merlincorey | it's spelled Sweden |
| 08:36.25 | Gnea | now, are you referring to a T1 in sweden or an E1? |
| 08:36.31 | obnauticus | Naw... |
| 08:36.39 | obnauticus | I'm referring to some guy in #hardware in efnet |
| 08:36.46 | Gnea | lol |
| 08:36.46 | merlincorey | LOL |
| 08:36.48 | obnauticus | that has a 100mbit line for 10$s/mo |
| 08:36.49 | merlincorey | that is funny |
| 08:36.52 | xingu | Gnea: longreach ethernet; swedish populations are much more tightly clustered |
| 08:36.52 | merlincorey | someone quote tha |
| 08:36.53 | merlincorey | that |
| 08:36.54 | merlincorey | now |
| 08:36.55 | obnauticus | rofl.. |
| 08:36.57 | merlincorey | NOW |
| 08:37.01 | streuner_ | nah, that's even for sweden a little bit too low, but its true you get in sweden internet very very cheap and fast |
| 08:37.05 | Gnea | obnauticus: that's some funny shit.... |
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| 08:37.21 | obnauticus | I'm the coolest 15yr. old American you will ever meet... on IRC. |
| 08:37.36 | fooz | most cable in the US is approaching 10mbit and it has decent upload, too |
| 08:37.43 | obnauticus | Decent upload my ass.. |
| 08:37.45 | Gnea | fooz: yeah |
| 08:37.49 | obnauticus | 40$s/mo 4mbitdown/386kbps up |
| 08:37.51 | maddash | decent upload my ass |
| 08:37.52 | obnauticus | it's shit. |
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| 08:37.58 | merlincorey | I'm the most successfully well adjusted crazy person you'll never meet |
| 08:38.02 | fooz | i upload at over 800kbps |
| 08:38.09 | obnauticus | fuck it, im uncapping |
| 08:38.12 | maddash | psht. 800kbps/20 kbps up. |
| 08:38.13 | obnauticus | im gettinf 30/10 |
| 08:38.17 | Grub_Now | dont upcap! |
| 08:38.50 | obnauticus | ... |
| 08:38.51 | obnauticus | why not. |
| 08:38.51 | fooz | and 10mbps down |
| 08:38.51 | Grub_Now | its illegal |
| 08:38.51 | maddash | !upcap |
| 08:38.51 | maddash | oops. |
| 08:38.51 | obnauticus | The stealthing is so good that they will have to go through every person connected to a single node to find out who is pulling bandwidth. |
| 08:38.51 | Grub_Now | and theyll get to you |
| 08:38.51 | obnauticus | No. |
| 08:38.51 | streuner_ | !listvals upcap |
| 08:38.52 | obnauticus | I know people who do. |
| 08:38.52 | obnauticus | It's ok. |
| 08:38.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'upcap' by value returned no results. |
| 08:39.02 | Grub_Now | obnauticus: i know how its done :P |
| 08:39.10 | obnauticus | how they catch people? |
| 08:39.11 | maddash | dpkg: you're useless at 4AM, you know that? |
| 08:39.28 | obnauticus | What I'm told is that on DOCSYS 2.0 they have to go through every client to see who is using more bandwidth than they should be.. |
| 08:39.32 | streuner_ | maddash: feel free to edit factoids ;-) |
| 08:39.33 | obnauticus | and even then they have to do some simple devision. |
| 08:39.42 | obnauticus | DOCSIS* |
| 08:39.48 | fooz | ever since moving to 2.6.20, every time I use a video mode switching app like virtualbox, my laptop screen dims |
| 08:39.51 | fooz | that's annoying |
| 08:40.16 | maddash | !listvals uncap |
| 08:40.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'uncap' by value returned no results. |
| 08:40.50 | merlincorey | !widescreen |
| 08:40.53 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 08:40.56 | obnauticus | !1080p |
| 08:41.09 | obnauticus | Ug. |
| 08:41.20 | obnauticus | I can't wait until they get FiOS in my hood. |
| 08:41.28 | obnauticus | anyone here got FiOS |
| 08:41.34 | maddash | obnauticus: use /msg dpkg [blah]. it saves the channel a few newlines. |
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| 08:42.29 | obnauticus | Gnea, were you going to put that on bash.org? |
| 08:42.33 | obnauticus | I don't think it's worthy. |
| 08:42.44 | bkw | I placed a bash backupscript in /etc/cron.daily But it didn't run this morning and I cannot find anything about it in the logs. |
| 08:42.46 | merlincorey | it so is |
| 08:42.50 | merlincorey | it is very worthy |
| 08:42.55 | merlincorey | I laughed out loud |
| 08:42.59 | obnauticus | I feel retarded now. |
| 08:43.12 | cahoot | bkw: no mail? |
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| 08:44.33 | streuner_ | bkw: so the script itself runs fine? |
| 08:44.45 | Gnea | ok, but Sweden has a population density of 52 people per square mile with a total population of nearly 10million and has been around since 1397, while the US has a population density of about 80 people per square mile with a total population of nearly 300million. Due to the larger area of land to cover and so many states to pass laws and bills and progress through, it takes much more time to spread a spectrum of bandwidth across so many people in the US, |
| 08:44.55 | bkw | streuner_: yes. |
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| 08:45.03 | obnauticus | Gnea, but there are more clients = more money. |
| 08:45.04 | Gnea | and the US has only been around for less than 400 years |
| 08:45.05 | streuner_ | bkw: did you check out the permissions? |
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| 08:45.15 | Gnea | obnauticus: which requires MORE TIME |
| 08:45.28 | xingu | Gnea: population divided by land mass is not a useful metric in context |
| 08:45.32 | obnauticus | Monky buisness. |
| 08:45.35 | perlmonkey | Gnea: are you in Sweden? |
| 08:45.37 | bkw | streuner_: -rw------- 1 root root 547 Mar 18 01:17 backup.sh |
| 08:45.41 | maxamillion | xingu: how isnt it? |
| 08:45.56 | Gnea | xingu: i'm a realist, not an idealist |
| 08:46.02 | Gnea | perlmonkey: nope |
| 08:46.04 | xingu | Gnea: how many swedes live within 5km radius of 5000+ people is probably a more useful one |
| 08:46.11 | obnauticus | I am in the US. But my heart is in Sweden, because the internet is fast there. |
| 08:46.13 | perlmonkey | Gnea: the United States of America? |
| 08:46.23 | Gnea | xingu: i'm talking practicality |
| 08:46.27 | Gnea | perlmonkey: yeah |
| 08:46.30 | perlmonkey | cool |
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| 08:46.44 | xingu | Gnea: I'm talking the sums a ptt does before deciding to roll out high speed point to point drops like lre |
| 08:46.50 | perlmonkey | it must be very cold in Sweden right now |
| 08:46.53 | streuner_ | bkw: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 946 2005-01-05 17:30 /etc/cron.daily/man-db |
| 08:47.09 | maxamillion | here's an intersting concept .... what does swedens internet speed have shit to do with debian? |
| 08:47.12 | perlchimpanzee | perlchimpanzee, I bet I am not the first person who has done this. |
| 08:47.16 | perlchimpanzee | damnit. |
| 08:47.17 | StAfZe6 | hi |
| 08:47.18 | perlchimpanzee | Monkey buisness. |
| 08:47.21 | Gnea | xingu: that's fine, eventually the US will catch up, but only if it doesn't implode first |
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| 08:47.27 | bkw | streuner_: that would be a very bad idea. the script contains password |
| 08:47.28 | SPOPPO | sup |
| 08:47.34 | maxamillion | Gnea: we will explode first :/ |
| 08:47.44 | Gnea | maxamillion: uuuh... prove it! |
| 08:47.59 | obnauticus | where did perlchinpanzee go anyway? |
| 08:48.03 | maxamillion | Gnea: lol ... that i can't do, just speculate |
| 08:48.03 | obnauticus | Lawlz. |
| 08:48.08 | SPOPPO | don't know |
| 08:48.11 | perlmonkey | he evolved into obnauticus |
| 08:48.19 | streuner_ | bkw: well, all files in cron.daily seems to need these permissions... |
| 08:48.24 | obnauticus | Ok, so far NOBODY on any IRC network has been able to tell me what Obnauticus is. Without using the urban dictionary. |
| 08:48.44 | obnauticus | So, I challenge this channel to come up with the correct definition of "Obnauticus." |
| 08:48.55 | perlmonkey | does anyone know what "amorphous" means? |
| 08:49.00 | bkw | streuner_: what should I do then, add it to root's crontab? |
| 08:49.02 | maxamillion | obnauticus: i don't give a fuck |
| 08:49.04 | Gnea | obnauticus: fair enough, so what is a Gnea? |
| 08:49.05 | StAfZe6 | that's a secret |
| 08:49.11 | obnauticus | Gnea, is a porn star. |
| 08:49.18 | Gnea | LMFAO |
| 08:49.19 | perlmonkey | maxamillion is that your real name? |
| 08:49.20 | Gnea | try again |
| 08:49.23 | maxamillion | perlmonkey: Adam |
| 08:49.25 | obnauticus | Gnea, how do you know? |
| 08:49.35 | perlmonkey | oh, maxamillion is an unusual name |
| 08:49.38 | obnauticus | You don't know that Gnea, because my stage name is Gnea . |
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| 08:49.58 | maxamillion | perlmonkey: spawned from a comic strip i used to write in high school |
| 08:50.00 | Gnea | obnauticus: because i started using this nickname long before the stripper/porn star came around |
| 08:50.14 | obnauticus | Gnea, you used that name in 6000BC? |
| 08:50.16 | perlmonkey | maxamillion: cool, did you do the graphics too? |
| 08:50.22 | maxamillion | perlmonkey: "max" short for maxamillion was the main characters name ... went from there |
| 08:50.26 | obnauticus | I'll have you know that Gnea is an ancient stripper goddes. |
| 08:50.30 | obnauticus | That is also a porn star. |
| 08:50.35 | Gnea | obnauticus: there existed not the internet, irc, linux, or us at that timeframe. |
| 08:50.37 | Noah0504 | Guess who is running Debian on a Compaq Presario 5222 with a 350MHz processor and 64MB of RAM? |
| 08:50.42 | Noah0504 | That's right... I am. |
| 08:50.44 | maxamillion | perlmonkey: well ... not "graphics" it was hand drawn for the newspaper |
| 08:50.47 | obnauticus | Gnea, but porn has been around forever. |
| 08:50.52 | maxamillion | Noah0504: w00t |
| 08:50.56 | Noah0504 | haha, I finally found a use for this piece of junk. |
| 08:51.03 | Gnea | obnauticus: that's out of focus |
| 08:51.09 | obnauticus | So? |
| 08:51.17 | obnauticus | The point is, Gnea is a porn star. |
| 08:51.24 | maxamillion | Noah0504: i love machines like that, they are so useful and useless both at the same time |
| 08:51.27 | fooz | isn't everyone? |
| 08:51.28 | perlmonkey | Noah0504: how are you finding it? |
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| 08:51.42 | Amorphous | perlmonkey, it means "no solid form" |
| 08:51.42 | liable | slow? |
| 08:51.55 | xingu | 64mb? luxury |
| 08:52.06 | maxamillion | xingu: lol ... you on 32mb? |
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| 08:52.24 | bkw | floods of /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: sh: host: command not found in the daily logs is strange. are there missing files? |
| 08:52.26 | Noah0504 | perlmonkey: Well, I'm running from the console until I take the time to install a light weight DE -- that's if I do. |
| 08:52.27 | perlmonkey | amorphous: is that your regular nickname |
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| 08:52.36 | Amorphous | perlmonkey, yes |
| 08:52.40 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 08:52.47 | xingu | maxamillion: first debian system was a 16mb 386sx25, and that was a hotrod; it has a GUS and an et4000, all the toys back in the day |
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| 08:52.59 | perlmonkey | of no fixed shape or form |
| 08:53.02 | streuner_ | bkw: install 'host' file? |
| 08:53.10 | streuner_ | bkw: yes |
| 08:53.23 | maxamillion | xingu: wow .... i didn't own a computer back then ... :( |
| 08:53.27 | obnauticus | and to answer your question Gnea, Obnauticus is a disco ball from an Aqua Teen Hunger Force episode. |
| 08:53.29 | Noah0504 | perlmonkey: But things are going quite nice. I think I'm going to use it for a local test server, and a machine to scare my friends when they come over and look at the screen. |
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| 08:53.56 | bkw | streuner_: ok. host installed. |
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| 08:54.04 | perlmonkey | Noah0504: I can recommend Fluxbox, I run that on a P3-500 laptop but it has 256mb ram |
| 08:54.10 | maxamillion | xingu: i got my first computer in early 1999 .. hardware had come a long way by then |
| 08:54.18 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 08:54.22 | Gnea | obnauticus: funny, since Gnea is an alien from the planet Praxis in Robotech II: The Sentinals |
| 08:54.24 | xingu | tell me about it |
| 08:54.26 | obnauticus | I got my first computer in 1992, that was when i was a 1yr. old. |
| 08:54.42 | obnauticus | Gnea, is a porn star from the planet Praxis II. |
| 08:54.44 | fooz | i could be your daddy |
| 08:54.45 | Gnea | i graduated high school in 1993 |
| 08:54.48 | fooz | I may in fact be... |
| 08:54.54 | Noah0504 | exit |
| 08:54.56 | Gnea | lol |
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| 08:55.03 | liable | eek, i feel old |
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| 08:55.08 | obnauticus | So do I. |
| 08:55.23 | liable | wait till you hit thirty young fella |
| 08:55.23 | xingu | :) |
| 08:55.27 | perlmonkey | liable you are |
| 08:55.43 | liable | perlmonkey: i prefer wise :P |
| 08:55.49 | obnauticus | liable, when I turn thirty, i will let you know it has been legal for 12 years in the state of washington. |
| 08:55.54 | perlmonkey | hehe wisdom comes with age as they say |
| 08:55.56 | obnauticus | Then and only then will you know that I lied. |
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| 08:56.12 | liable | huh? |
| 08:56.24 | perlmonkey | liable is the wisest of all |
| 08:56.30 | obnauticus | No. |
| 08:56.33 | obnauticus | Obnauticus is. |
| 08:56.49 | maxamillion | xingu: i would have a far less digit linux counter if i knew about it before last year :/ |
| 08:56.56 | perlmonkey | Obnauticus is a poltergiest that somehow got online |
| 08:57.02 | obnauticus | if liable is so wise, can he give a blowjob as well as Gnea . |
| 08:57.35 | liable | erm, i dont suck dicks, thank you very much |
| 08:57.45 | obnauticus | perlmonkey, no I am a legend that somehow found his way into the pipes that make up the internet. |
| 08:58.58 | perlmonkey | obnauticus: can do you do an even better trick and find your way out through one |
| 08:59.05 | obnauticus | It's not possible. |
| 08:59.53 | obnauticus | Ugh. |
| 08:59.57 | obnauticus | I fucking hate sunday's. |
| 08:59.58 | bkw | Is it possible to find a already read mail using |
| 09:00.08 | maddash | grep? |
| 09:00.10 | obnauticus | People bitch about monday, fuck that sunday's are worse. |
| 09:00.13 | bkw | using mail which is listing only unread mail |
| 09:00.17 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 09:00.17 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 09:00.25 | obnauticus | Yes ^ |
| 09:00.26 | perlmonkey | aha |
| 09:00.29 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:00.31 | obnauticus | !monday |
| 09:00.32 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 09:00.37 | obnauticus | wtf |
| 09:00.39 | obnauticus | !tuesday |
| 09:00.40 | dpkg | i guess tuesday is soylent green day |
| 09:00.43 | obnauticus | !penis |
| 09:00.43 | dpkg | hmm... penis is liable, the penis proclaimer |
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| 09:00.48 | obnauticus | interesting., |
| 09:00.54 | Gnea | !wednesday |
| 09:00.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wednesday is see thursday |
| 09:01.00 | obnauticus | !friday-night |
| 09:01.00 | Gnea | !thursday |
| 09:01.01 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 09:01.12 | Gnea | !friday |
| 09:01.12 | dpkg | friday is probably Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 09:01.16 | fooz | thursday is pretty much the same thing as sunday |
| 09:01.17 | obnauticus | Wtf |
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| 09:01.17 | miserablejudge | À âû õòî? |
| 09:01.26 | perlmonkey | !saturday |
| 09:01.26 | Gnea | !saturday |
| 09:01.26 | dpkg | somebody said saturday was Tardsday Eve |
| 09:01.32 | maddash | !botabuse |
| 09:01.32 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 09:01.33 | obnauticus | wtf |
| 09:01.39 | obnauticus | !omg |
| 09:01.39 | dpkg | i guess omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 09:01.47 | obnauticus | !snakes |
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| 09:01.48 | Gnea | !ftw |
| 09:01.48 | dpkg | ftw is, like, fuck the world. For The Win |
| 09:01.53 | obnauticus | WTF |
| 09:01.56 | maddash | !tell obnauticus about enter |
| 09:01.57 | obnauticus | someone add the snakes entry. |
| 09:02.03 | miserablejudge | À ïàñèìó âû ëàïî÷èòå íà áóðæéñêîì? |
| 09:02.03 | obnauticus | !your mom |
| 09:02.03 | dpkg | i guess your mom is my hoe, or my bitch |
| 09:02.12 | obnauticus | !tell madclicker about your mom |
| 09:02.25 | maddash | !ops grep obnauticus |
| 09:02.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: maddash complains about: grep obnauticus |
| 09:02.27 | fooz | miserablejudge, ãªã«ï¼Ÿ |
| 09:02.33 | xingu | pah; corba? I know someone who got terminated for printing the scsi spec at college |
| 09:02.38 | Gnea | maddash: no. |
| 09:02.38 | xingu | hint, don't do that |
| 09:02.39 | miserablejudge | Gnea: íåôèã íà ìíó çûðèòü! |
| 09:02.49 | Gnea | obnauticus: better cut it down :) |
| 09:02.49 | obnauticus | Well. |
| 09:02.54 | obnauticus | What down? |
| 09:02.56 | streuner_ | bkw: how about to add +x for your scirpt? |
| 09:02.58 | Gnea | miserablejudge: english? |
| 09:03.01 | miserablejudge | fooz: ×àâî??!!! |
| 09:03.12 | perlmonkey | lots of placeholders |
| 09:03.23 | obnauticus | I think he wants ass. |
| 09:03.26 | miserablejudge | Gnea: Ýýýý??? ×å çà áóðæóéñêèé! |
| 09:03.27 | fooz | Gnea, ãˆã„ã”。 |
| 09:03.32 | obnauticus | Because what is 3 didgits and followed by a ? and or a ! |
| 09:03.34 | Gnea | !ru |
| 09:03.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 09:03.43 | streuner_ | obnauticus: its enough now! |
| 09:03.45 | Gnea | miserablejudge: /join #debian-russian |
| 09:03.52 | obnauticus | What is? |
| 09:03.54 | obnauticus | I am confused. |
| 09:04.03 | fooz | obnauticus, /join #debian-russian |
| 09:04.08 | streuner_ | Don't insult people |
| 09:04.18 | obnauticus | But it's so fun! |
| 09:04.27 | miserablejudge | Íèõðåíà íå ïîíèìàþ! Îòêóäà âû âñå íàïåðëè òî?! |
| 09:04.29 | Gnea | obnauticus: an area code? |
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| 09:04.35 | boodie | Hi |
| 09:04.36 | obnauticus | Gnea, umm, no. |
| 09:05.17 | miserablejudge | Àôèãåòü! Âîò ñöóêè ðàñïëîäèëèñü òî êàê... |
| 09:05.24 | obnauticus | miserablejudge, stfu. |
| 09:05.27 | Gnea | obnauticus: an area code is 3 digits. if i'm asking someone if that area code is correct or not, it is 3 digits followed by a ? or if i'm telling them that the area code is, indeed, correct, then it would have a ! at the end |
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| 09:05.37 | Gnea | miserablejudge: e1Š–í¯7 UØiYݹÎJ¬Ví˜zë±Ç—{ƒº¬HcÒî_{¡G=‘ ··_Ô¬ z¨@ŠÒ¼{“}¥¨$¾Î |
| 09:05.37 | xingu | or at least set your iocharset |
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| 09:05.55 | miserablejudge | Gnea: Øî çà íàõ? |
| 09:06.04 | fooz | heh |
| 09:06.12 | Gnea | miserablejudge: ô6l×ÍÛ,ã@^Žgz¤€ÀÚ{pÂÚô´_P>âLî)¼(>oÎÏëÆ·"Óq.xœÐÖÄ–¬Óq)ÎeWH~ZŠ?&! |
| 09:06.17 | fooz | lol |
| 09:06.22 | streuner_ | bkw: just add +x to the permissions for world and others |
| 09:06.23 | Gnea | this is amusing |
| 09:06.28 | fooz | Kievka Local Electrocommunication Node |
| 09:06.29 | obnauticus | I have never seen anything quite that sexy. |
| 09:06.29 | obnauticus | Ever. |
| 09:06.37 | xingu | miserablejudge: Ë ( âŠââ‹â”œ-â–’âŒâ”œâ‹âŽºâ”¼âŽ½-⎼âŠâ””⎺┴âŠ-┤⎼┌-°⎺⎼└ |
| 09:06.42 | Gnea | either he's typing in russian, or he's pasting output from /dev/urandom |
| 09:06.47 | miserablejudge | Gnea: ß íèïàíèìàòü ïî ÷óêîòñêè! Ãîâîðèòå ïî àëáàíñêè! |
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| 09:07.01 | bkw | streuner_: it will be readable then also. |
| 09:07.05 | xingu | miserablejudge: ┼âŠâ‹â”Œâ”´â–’┼â≤â”âŠ.â–’âŒâ”œâ‹âŽºâ”¼ |
| 09:07.07 | Gnea | miserablejudge: û.çãd˜›è•…–&] Ñì<÷£€Ùc‚õÍ÷$sîxtÈÙ4“ ͺ<GѤ[®€É:\ïØNBÃÈòßx™¾éõ±LM7'\&,÷Šß¾pź™û.çãd˜›è•…–&] Ñì<÷£€Ùc‚õÍ÷$sîxtÈÙ4“ ͺ<GѤ[®€É:\ïØNBÃÈòßx™¾éõ±LM7'\&,÷Šß¾pź™û.çãd˜›è•…–&] Ñì<÷£€Ùc‚õÍ÷$sîxtÈÙ4“ ͺ<GѤ[®€É:\ïØNBÃÈòßx™¾éõ±LM7'\&,÷Šß¾pź™û.çãd˜›è•…–&] Ñì<÷£€Ùc‚õÍ÷$sîxtÈÙ4“ ͺ<GѤ[®€É:\ïØNBÃÈòßx™¾éõ±LM7'\&,÷Šß¾pź™û.çãd˜›è•…–&] Ñì<÷£€Ùc‚õÍ÷$sîxtÈÙ4“ ͺ<GѤ[®€É:\ïØNBÃÈòßx™¾éõ±LM7'\&,÷Šß¾pź™û.çãd˜›è•…–&] Ñì<÷£€Ùc‚õÍ÷$sîxtÈÙ4“ ͺ<GÑ |
| 09:07.10 | streuner_ | bkw: no |
| 09:07.11 | obnauticus | OMG STOP! |
| 09:07.19 | maxamillion | ? |
| 09:07.30 | Gnea | ~troll miserablejudge |
| 09:07.45 | maxamillion | Gnea: what was that? |
| 09:07.48 | streuner_ | bkw: its e(x)ecutable, but readable |
| 09:07.53 | miserablejudge | Áëèà... ÏÈñåö... |
| 09:07.59 | boodie | I have set up apache2, but it hasn't eliminated apache, so they are poth on the system; apche2 laments that it's unable to access it's logs; could bothe the programs be in competition for the 8080 port? In this case should I unistall one of the two? |
| 09:08.00 | streuner_ | bkw: NOT* |
| 09:08.02 | Gnea | maxamillion: bullshit |
| 09:08.06 | maxamillion | Gnea: rgr |
| 09:08.13 | fooz | Gnea, ẃtf |
| 09:08.30 | bkw | streuner_: "/etc/cron.daily/backup.sh" [Permission Denied] true |
| 09:08.31 | xingu | Gnea: it could also be a simple 3des crypt |
| 09:08.32 | Gnea | everyone, just /ignore miserablejudge |
| 09:08.34 | liable | maxamillion: english or leave please |
| 09:08.40 | maxamillion | boodie: yes, i would recommend it ... or just config one of them to not listen on the port |
| 09:08.41 | liable | miserablejudge: ^^^ |
| 09:08.52 | xingu | Gnea: or /quote silence or whatever-t-f- this ircd's functional equiv. is :) |
| 09:08.53 | obnauticus | ugh. |
| 09:08.55 | obnauticus | I'm going to bed now. |
| 09:08.58 | maxamillion | liable: wtf? ... when did i not speak english? .... i don't know any other language |
| 09:09.03 | obnauticus | I'll be back on tomorrow like usual. |
| 09:09.03 | fooz | éŋǵĺÃÅ›h |
| 09:09.07 | miserablejudge | ß íèõðåíà íå ïîíèìàþ, øî âû òàì ëàïî÷èòå,íî ìíå ãëóáîêî ïîõ íà âàøó ïîåõðåíü! |
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| 09:09.23 | obnauticus | miserablejudge, fall in a hole |
| 09:09.27 | obnauticus | bai2uall. |
| 09:09.27 | Gnea | would somebody please kill this idiot? |
| 09:09.28 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 09:09.30 | liable | maxamillion: nicktab fuckage |
| 09:09.34 | maxamillion | liable: ah, ok |
| 09:09.34 | Gnea | obnauticus: later |
| 09:09.37 | obnauticus | /gzline maxamillion |
| 09:09.40 | obnauticus | Gnea, <3 |
| 09:09.49 | maxamillion | obnauticus: ? |
| 09:09.49 | miserablejudge | Íàõðåíà ìíó êèëèòü?! Èäèòå â ïèñäó! |
| 09:09.51 | obnauticus | I will always love your move large black destroiers. |
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| 09:10.03 | obnauticus | movie* |
| 09:10.03 | streuner_ | miserablejudge: can you stop that, please? |
| 09:10.04 | boodie | maxi: say I wanted to eliminate apache, should I proceed with "apt-get uninstall apache"? |
| 09:10.04 | maxamillion | mi <tab> please people |
| 09:10.21 | liable | boodie: yes |
| 09:10.24 | miserablejudge | Øî ïðåêðàùàòü òî? Îáúÿñíèòå! |
| 09:10.26 | Gnea | Ignoring ALL from miserablejudge |
| 09:10.26 | obnauticus | can you apt-get uninstall world ? |
| 09:10.30 | Gnea | that works so nicely |
| 09:10.30 | liable | miserablejudge: STOP IT |
| 09:10.35 | maxamillion | boodie: yeah, you might want to pass the purge parameter also to get rid of config files |
| 09:10.36 | streuner_ | boodie: eliminate? |
| 09:10.41 | maxamillion | boodie: but that's up to you |
| 09:10.49 | xingu | !ops miserablejudge needs persuading to set iocharset - high-bit-set spam on channel |
| 09:10.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xingu complains about: miserablejudge needs persuading to set iocharset - high-bit-set spam on channel |
| 09:11.15 | Gnea | !ops miserablejudge won't speak in english, is offtopic, is annoying as all HELL, and won't go to #debian-russian as directed. |
| 09:11.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gnea complains about: miserablejudge won't speak in english, is offtopic, is annoying as all HELL, and won't go to #debian-russian as directed. |
| 09:11.30 | obnauticus | Ok, bye all |
| 09:11.38 | streuner_ | cu |
| 09:11.40 | miserablejudge | ß Í-Å Ï-À--Í-È-Ì-À-Þ!!! |
| 09:11.55 | fooz | amen to that |
| 09:12.10 | streuner_ | fuck, no OPS here |
| 09:12.18 | Gnea | again people: /ignore miserablejudge all |
| 09:12.31 | miserablejudge | ×òî âû îò ìíó õàòèòå òî?! Ãàâàðèòå ïî-ÐÓÑÑÊÈ!!! |
| 09:12.32 | boodie | maxa: "apt-get --purge apache"? Wouldnt it wipe away also apache2? |
| 09:12.32 | Gnea | i haven't seen a single line in a few minutes now |
| 09:12.45 | fooz | it's hilarious |
| 09:12.52 | fooz | i have no ignores |
| 09:13.02 | Gnea | soooo... to reformat and restore /var and /usr or not.. that is the question |
| 09:13.17 | streuner_ | miserablejudge: DON'T HIT THE ENTER BUTTON TOO MUCH! |
| 09:13.33 | Gnea | streuner_: dude, calm down and just /ignore |
| 09:13.40 | miserablejudge | Áëÿäü! Íåõóÿ òóò íå ïîíÿòíî! Îäíè àìåðèêîñû íàõ... |
| 09:13.53 | streuner_ | miserablejudge: DON'T HIT THE ENTER BUTTON TOO MUCH! |
| 09:14.05 | fooz | streuner_, ã°ã‹ |
| 09:14.09 | miserablejudge | Òû ñöóêî óæå ýòî áçäåë. |
| 09:14.23 | fooz | unicode is nifty |
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| 09:14.38 | maddash | this is amusing |
| 09:14.38 | xingu | fooz: *if* you set iocharset |
| 09:14.40 | fooz | everyone should use it |
| 09:14.43 | bkw | streuner_: we will see if it runs tomorrow morning :) |
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| 09:14.50 | fooz | wtf is iocharset? |
| 09:15.12 | miserablejudge | Êòî-íèáóäü ìîæåò òóò ÃÎÂÎÐÈÒÜ?! |
| 09:15.37 | streuner_ | bkw: just run /etc/cron.daily/backup.sh now, if it works it should run tomorrow too |
| 09:15.39 | Gnea | fooz: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debburn-devel/2007-January/000281.html |
| 09:15.42 | xingu | fooz: it's the encoding your client uses on-link; irc protocol does not negotiate locale/character set |
| 09:15.43 | maxamillion | !iocharset |
| 09:15.48 | xingu | fooz: it's agreed by convention |
| 09:15.53 | maxamillion | guess not |
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| 09:16.10 | miserablejudge | Fuck all!!!! |
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| 09:16.20 | maddash | ... |
| 09:16.21 | fooz | my locale is en_US.UTF-8 |
| 09:16.29 | bkw | streuner_: well, that worked yesterday, but not when I placed it in daily. but as already mentioned the permissions might been the problem |
| 09:16.35 | fooz | Gnea, that's a mount option, that's not what xingu is talking about |
| 09:16.52 | fooz | if I use unicode, and everyone else uses unicode, everything will always look right, no matter what my locale is |
| 09:16.52 | maddash | so what's with this miserablejudge dude? has anyone deciphered his msgs? and are the ops all in a coma? |
| 09:16.58 | Gnea | fooz: it's referring to language encoding |
| 09:16.59 | fooz | excepting maybe languages that go the wrong way |
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| 09:17.23 | fooz | maddash, using my great intellect, I can decipher his last transmission |
| 09:17.31 | fooz | maddash, it was 'Fuck all!!!!' |
| 09:17.40 | fooz | guess he's just really horny |
| 09:17.46 | streuner_ | makes sense then |
| 09:17.50 | xingu | right, so with a ~modern client your iocharset is likely tracking that and using utf8/iec10646 |
| 09:18.11 | Gnea | fooz: this should explain it better: http://www.linuxjunkies.org/html/Belarusian-HOWTO.html |
| 09:18.13 | fooz | my irc client has no idea what locales or character sets are |
| 09:18.18 | fooz | it's a terminal program |
| 09:18.52 | maxamillion | fooz: so is mine, but it can do locales and charsets |
| 09:18.55 | maxamillion | fooz: irssi ;) |
| 09:18.55 | xingu | ~most irc clients will do charset translation or at least defanging if iocharset != locale. |
| 09:19.08 | bkw | streuner_: thanks for your help |
| 09:19.08 | fooz | i am in irssi also |
| 09:19.12 | fooz | there is no iocharset option |
| 09:19.13 | xingu | which is why it's important to have the convention |
| 09:19.20 | maxamillion | fooz: what term? |
| 09:19.30 | fooz | screen |
| 09:19.31 | maddash | so, to cut through all this pretense, has anyone been able to decipher his messages? |
| 09:19.37 | maxamillion | fooz: i'm running xfce's Terminal and it handles that stuff |
| 09:19.50 | fooz | maxamillion, like I said, my terminals are all unicode. |
| 09:19.59 | maxamillion | fooz: but you are right, irssi doesn't have options for that |
| 09:20.03 | maxamillion | fooz: oh, missed that |
| 09:20.20 | fooz | irssi and IRC itself are just dumb 8 bit terminal things that pass data through without modification |
| 09:20.38 | fooz | except for mIRC colours |
| 09:20.39 | fooz | hehe |
| 09:20.42 | maxamillion | lol |
| 09:20.57 | xingu | maddash: /quote silence cut through it pretty effectively for me. ;) |
| 09:22.30 | fooz | hm, I want to try an fb terminal emulator with unicode! |
| 09:22.39 | xingu | fooz: what do you suppose that /set term_charset does? |
| 09:23.03 | fooz | so it does support character sets |
| 09:23.22 | fooz | it probably does nothing useful |
| 09:23.23 | xingu | fooz: and recode? |
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| 09:25.43 | boodie | Ok, I have wiped out apache - now the server at http://localhost:8080 gives me an error - I guess I should restart apache2 somehow ... |
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| 09:28.49 | perlmonkey | boodie: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 09:29.56 | boodie | perl: thanx 10^3 |
| 09:31.00 | perlmonkey | printing 2 labels (10x6.8cm) @ 1440x720dpi in high quality mode on Epson Stylus DX4000 took 6 mins |
| 09:31.13 | boodie | perlmonkey: it responded "Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running" |
| 09:32.30 | perlmonkey | ok do: /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 09:32.30 | boodie | Well, it seems to be working actually! |
| 09:32.42 | boodie | brilliant |
| 09:32.46 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 09:32.52 | boodie | thanx |
| 09:33.23 | perlmonkey | i can highly recommend the Epson Stylus DX4000 to fellow Debian Linux users |
| 09:33.52 | boodie | I had epsons, now I switched onto hp |
| 09:34.08 | perlmonkey | its is now available for £49.99 from Amazon, for a limited period with free delivery also |
| 09:34.13 | perlmonkey | sorry for the advertising :P |
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| 09:34.26 | perlmonkey | boodie: why did you switch, and what model did you switch from? |
| 09:35.07 | xingu | bargain |
| 09:35.17 | perlmonkey | xingu: is that a HP? |
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| 09:35.36 | boodie | Epson inkjet is very good, but if you left it for a while without printing (such as going for holidays) it cakes up and you have to throw it away |
| 09:35.40 | xingu | perlmonkey: yep; it copes with my one-printout-every-two-years requirement admirably |
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| 09:36.07 | xingu | perlmonkey: it was a runout special, it was replaced with the 860c if memory serves |
| 09:36.10 | potolo | boodie: cron :p |
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| 09:36.44 | perlmonkey | boodie: i've read that before, I think it might be to do with the fact Epson uses pigment ink with resin coated ink particles |
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| 09:37.34 | perlmonkey | the inkheads do tend to get clogged with this type of ink which is harder to clear compared to say regular water-based dye ink |
| 09:37.58 | Tigger_ | hi |
| 09:38.04 | perlmonkey | hi Tigger |
| 09:38.06 | potolo | Tigger_ hi |
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| 09:38.18 | xingu | t is for tigger, who likes to bounce so high |
| 09:38.24 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 09:39.02 | potolo | what brings you to #debian this sunny morning, Tigger? |
| 09:39.24 | perlmonkey | xingu: HP is very good for printers especially laser printers, I've had a HP LaserJet for nearly 10 years now and its working as good as the day when I bought it |
| 09:39.41 | Tigger_ | oh just to whats going on and perhaps try to help someone :) |
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| 09:40.09 | perlmonkey | the thing which impresses me about the Epson inkjet printers is the water resistance qualities of the ink, that's rare to find in inkjet market |
| 09:40.19 | potolo | Tigger_ *nod* |
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| 09:40.32 | Tigger_ | :) |
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| 09:41.07 | perlmonkey | Tigger_ thats very kind of you, I need some help with cooking for breakfast if you're up for that :P |
| 09:41.11 | xingu | perlmonkey: recent dj's starting with/ including mine are plastic and nylon crap, I wouldn't expect them to have much of a duty cycle at all; but for occasional use, mostly taking paper records of web based order confirmations where it's appropriate to do so - at £20 you can't go wrong. :) |
| 09:41.27 | Tigger_ | if i can have some too perlmonkey lol |
| 09:41.29 | potolo | I just had a sandwich. It was nice. |
| 09:41.34 | xingu | perlmonkey: what I like most about the hp's is that ghostscript has ~reasonable pcl support and always has |
| 09:41.54 | perlmonkey | Tigger_ sure, we can share |
| 09:42.00 | Tigger_ | good good :) |
| 09:42.01 | xingu | perlmonkey: I believe the esc2 stuff is banged into shape now too, but I haven't looked in over a decade so there you go |
| 09:42.29 | perlmonkey | xingu: £20 for a printer is a real bargin |
| 09:42.35 | pythonic | i have a missing link: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.1.2/32/libgcc_s_32.so -> /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 09:42.40 | potolo | hp deskjets I've found tend to print at an angle on A4; according to HP due to being roller-based. Though other inkjets always seem fine |
| 09:42.42 | xingu | perlmonkey: the very recent dj's have abysmally short cartridge lifetimes |
| 09:42.51 | pythonic | what package do i need to get /emul/etc/etc/libgcc_s.so.1? |
| 09:43.06 | potolo | recent canon djs have similarly short lifetimes |
| 09:43.08 | perlmonkey | what I heard about HP inkjets, the ink can be costly |
| 09:43.23 | perlmonkey | I have just reviewed a Canon PIXMA iP4200 |
| 09:43.29 | xingu | potolo: probably true; but for some use-cases that doesn't really matter; where I give a damn about the output I send it out to a pro printing outfit |
| 09:43.33 | perlmonkey | compared it with the Epson DX4000 |
| 09:43.50 | xingu | potolo: most of them will do print+bind for oneoffs these days at quite reasonable rates |
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| 09:44.01 | valdyn | pythonic: that link doesnt go into /emu on my box |
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| 09:44.06 | potolo | perlmonkey that's the exact printer I have :) what was your conclusion? |
| 09:44.18 | perlmonkey | potolo: woah, you have the Canon? |
| 09:44.23 | potolo | xingu: I have used those too, yep |
| 09:44.25 | pythonic | why can i not link i386 and amd64 libraries? |
| 09:44.25 | PingFloyd | perlmonkey: most inkjets are in the long run |
| 09:44.40 | perlmonkey | PingFloyd: true |
| 09:44.41 | valdyn | pythonic: probably reinstall the relevant packages |
| 09:44.50 | valdyn | pythonic: why cant you? |
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| 09:45.03 | xingu | pythonic: .. in the same binary? they're two different arch's is why |
| 09:45.11 | potolo | perlmonkey: yeah. I bit the bullet and bought the Turboprint drivers for it though. earlier experiments with debian packaged canon drivers were sub-par. |
| 09:45.44 | perlmonkey | the Canon has outstanding print quality and very good ink usage, I printed out a 1024x768 photo at full A4 size and it came out looking perfect |
| 09:45.51 | pythonic | xingu: is there something i can put in the amd64 .c files to use i386 calling conventions (if that's the problem)? |
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| 09:46.04 | valdyn | pythonic: no you cant |
| 09:46.05 | potolo | perlmonkey: Wow really? :) Cool. |
| 09:46.25 | xingu | potolo: I thought canon /were/ doing a esc2+pcl5 emulation? or aren't they these days? |
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| 09:46.55 | Archville | ¿ best and easier way to get splashscreen at boot ? (usplash, bootsplash, splashy ?) |
| 09:47.03 | potolo | xingu: I forget w/out checking |
| 09:47.04 | perlmonkey | potolo: phew! I used Canon's own open-source drivers (they dont support many printers for Linux do they), interesting the drivers on the Canon UK website didn't work too well, but the ones on Canon Japan website worked great |
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| 09:48.05 | pythonic | is it not just calling conventions that make i386 and amd64 incompatible? |
| 09:48.22 | xingu | pythonic: you probably need to think about (a) a main binary that's EITHER amd+i386 dual OR i386-only which (b) dlopen's a library which is EITHER amd/libfoo.so OR i386/libfoo.so |
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| 09:48.36 | perlmonkey | potolo: did you get the Canon for photo printing or as general purpose printer? |
| 09:48.41 | xingu | pythonic: your i386 binary will not be able to/ should not attempt to dlopen the amd64 lib |
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| 09:49.01 | xingu | pythonic: your amd64 binary can open either (internal search list) |
| 09:49.17 | potolo | perlmonkey: I used the Japan ones too, packaged by a guy named ... well I forget his name but it began with T (Totsegari?). It would've been ideal if deb-src/.deb packages were offered on the Canon UK site, but only RPMs were offered really. I think I had problems with Firefox printing for example initially while using the canon drivers. I decided to switch to the turboprint ones and perhaps manually edit the ppd file if I needed to later |
| 09:49.44 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 09:49.51 | potolo | perlmonkey admittedly as a general purpose printer. that said, I have printed 6x4 photos a coupla times and the quality's been great |
| 09:49.56 | pythonic | i trying amd64 binary (ruby extension) linking to i386 library (oracle) |
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| 09:50.12 | pythonic | but i get "skipping incompatible" library from the linker. |
| 09:50.23 | xingu | pythonic: and no, it's not just calling conventions; memory layout, register set, the works burger; the binary will trap with invalid opcodes in the amd64-on-i386 case |
| 09:50.36 | perlmonkey | potolo: I have to sell my Canon on sadly, as the dye based ink means its not suitable for what I needed it for :-/ |
| 09:50.55 | potolo | perlmonkey : - < |
| 09:50.57 | boodie | I don't understand - I have gphoto installed and working, KDE too, aptitude gives me "kamera" as present, but it does not appear in KDE menus + the command says it's not there |
| 09:51.02 | xingu | pythonic: I seriously doubt that mixing arches with ld(1) is worth the effort; some things are best to do at runtime |
| 09:51.07 | pythonic | so instead of linking with ld i should dlopen? |
| 09:51.12 | xingu | exactly |
| 09:51.21 | pythonic | okay. thanks :-) |
| 09:51.38 | potolo | boodie: did you install it as a package? from source? |
| 09:51.51 | Dewi | hmm... my USB flash disk doesn't seem to have appeared in /dev/sd*, nor in /proc/bus/usb/devices ... I guess it's just not working? |
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| 09:52.41 | Dewi | aaah... works better in another port |
| 09:52.49 | perlmonkey | has anyone else had problems with gphoto2 preventing USB devices/printers from working? |
| 09:52.49 | boodie | as a package |
| 09:52.54 | xingu | pythonic: incidentally this is precisely how solaris works ;) in fact it's such a generic problem sun created isaexec - most sparc7/sparc9 binaries are hard links to it. |
| 09:52.55 | potolo | Dewi: *g* |
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| 09:54.06 | xingu | worth every penny |
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| 09:54.25 | perlmonkey | xingu: what does it run |
| 09:54.33 | boodie | s**t - Aptitude is locked - how do I unlock it? |
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| 09:54.48 | liable | ^c |
| 09:54.48 | xingu | perlmonkey: sol10 |
| 09:54.53 | potolo | boodie: close synaptic or other pkg manager? |
| 09:54.58 | PingFloyd | boodie: you have another package manager running? |
| 09:55.04 | boodie | no |
| 09:55.08 | boodie | all closed |
| 09:55.17 | PingFloyd | boodie: check with ps aux |
| 09:55.39 | potolo | boodie: didn't close properly? check with ps aux or top, then kill $ID of process if running |
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| 09:56.06 | potolo | hi prometeus. is that a stargate atlantis reference? |
| 09:56.54 | potolo | I think there was a First World War sub or cruiseship named prometheus, too. |
| 09:57.01 | prometeus | hi, how do i clone an usb hard disk directly to another usb hard disk (source hd is not fat/ext2/ntfs or so, it's in a custom streaming format so i need a copy that is just ""sector by sector) ? |
| 09:57.15 | prometeus | <potolo> No |
| 09:57.16 | prometeus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.22 | boodie | !dpkg paste |
| 09:58.03 | xingu | prometheus created man; and then gave fire to him |
| 09:58.13 | maxamillion | lol |
| 09:58.17 | xingu | the gods were a little pissed about that |
| 09:58.41 | maxamillion | xingu: i would imagine they would be if they existed |
| 09:58.44 | maxamillion | ;) |
| 09:58.50 | potolo | xingu: thought that was adonai |
| 09:58.56 | boodie | Ok my problem is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/5745. |
| 09:59.05 | potolo | maxamillion: you big heathen you |
| 09:59.19 | maxamillion | potolo: lol |
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| 10:00.11 | potolo | boodie: that's not really a problem. just type 'kill 3390' or whatever the number is for each process there. as root. |
| 10:00.24 | boodie | Should I kill all PIDs? |
| 10:00.29 | xingu | prometeus: dd if=somedev of=someotherdev bs=512 ... and somewhere comfy to sleep |
| 10:00.36 | potolo | boodie: well, those ones. not *all* . |
| 10:00.49 | xingu | prometeus: guessing that the sector size is 512bytes; but that's probably not a bad guess. |
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| 10:01.03 | prometeus | can't do without knowinkg that ? |
| 10:01.09 | xingu | prometeus: hmm you probably want conv=sync too |
| 10:01.15 | maxamillion | does anyone know what distro linus torvalds uses? ... i was asked this today and realized that i don't think he has ever said |
| 10:01.16 | prometeus | mean ignoring secto size3 ? |
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| 10:01.30 | PingFloyd | try killall aptitude |
| 10:01.31 | prometeus | (i must copya an 200gb disk to a 300gb one) |
| 10:02.03 | PingFloyd | may end up having to kill by pids though |
| 10:02.09 | boodie | Ping: that's handy |
| 10:02.14 | xingu | prometeus: I haven't seen a hdd in a long time that had anything other than a 512byte block size |
| 10:02.23 | PingFloyd | boodie: did it work? |
| 10:02.51 | prometeus | ok btw there's a way to findout ? |
| 10:03.04 | xingu | prometeus: the sector size will be some multiple of 512bytes (depends on geometry); so dd if=somedev of=somedev bs=512 conv=sync and lots of patience will probably do what you want |
| 10:03.09 | boodie | Well - I had killed them individually - didn't perform an ethnic cleansing |
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| 10:03.30 | prometeus | ah it will work anywa so |
| 10:03.35 | xingu | prometeus: specsheet for the hdd; it's unimportant - best-case you could read/write a sector at a time which would be slightly faster |
| 10:03.39 | boodie | root is god - from the processess point of view |
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| 10:04.57 | grandrew | hi all! i'm trying to apt-get mysql-server but i dont know which version is it going to install.. how can I check it? |
| 10:04.59 | liable | deep.. |
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| 10:05.10 | liable | grandrew: apt-cache show foo |
| 10:05.13 | potolo | grandrew: apt-cache policy packageame |
| 10:05.17 | potolo | or that |
| 10:05.19 | grandrew | :-) |
| 10:05.22 | grandrew | thanks |
| 10:05.55 | grandrew | cool |
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| 10:06.47 | pythonic | i need to dlopen a library before any libraries that depend on symbols in it, eh? |
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| 10:07.10 | thrall | Do I need to configure something in pam in order to allow key-based logins with no password? |
| 10:07.21 | potolo | Oooh, SANS news snippet "Microsoft has filed two new lawsuits against cybersquatters to stop them from profiting from web surfers' misspellings and typographical errors......". Hopefully the cybersquatters will be shot. A lot. |
| 10:07.24 | maxamillion | does anyone here own a Nokia N800? |
| 10:07.42 | thrall | key-based via ssh |
| 10:07.44 | Gg1 | N70 here |
| 10:07.52 | pythonic | opendns profits from misspellings |
| 10:08.06 | potolo | Google AdSense does |
| 10:08.31 | maxamillion | Gg1: the N800 is an Internet Tablet that runs a custom debian |
| 10:08.43 | Gg1 | oh |
| 10:08.47 | Gg1 | ok |
| 10:08.51 | maxamillion | Gg1: |
| 10:08.51 | Sazpaimon | so i took one look at postfix's confug |
| 10:08.52 | potolo | So does the ^%^@"£! who took the .com variant of a domain I registered. And then put it up for sale at 5000% increase |
| 10:08.53 | Sazpaimon | *config |
| 10:08.54 | potolo | anywayyy |
| 10:08.56 | Sazpaimon | my head exploded |
| 10:09.08 | Sazpaimon | i dont know the first thing about setting up domain mail :/ |
| 10:09.22 | maxamillion | Gg1: i am just trying to find someone who owns one because i am wondering if i can get to a command line and run aptitude on it :) |
| 10:09.44 | Sazpaimon | think someone could give me a hand with this? |
| 10:09.55 | Sazpaimon | im not even sure where to start |
| 10:10.11 | prometeus | <xingu> so: if i do "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sda2 bs=512 conv=sync then i'll have an exect copy of diska a in disk b ? (it will also works even if disk "a" has an unknown partition = exactly it has no partition at all is just raw data) |
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| 10:10.40 | potolo | Sazpaimon: maybe you could always help yourself along with webmin/virtualmin/usermin? |
| 10:11.01 | xingu | prometeus: yep |
| 10:11.02 | pythonic | hm... ruby DL.dlopen "/foo/bar/baz.so" fails: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:11.13 | Sazpaimon | potolo, webmin isn't helping |
| 10:11.26 | Sazpaimon | in fact it's giving me a bigger headache |
| 10:11.30 | prometeus | good thx u: now i hope copying 200gb of data through usb wouldn't take eternity as time |
| 10:11.34 | xingu | prometeus: nb sda1,sda2 are both partitions on single physical device /dev/sda I hope you realise |
| 10:11.44 | prometeus | yeah :P |
| 10:11.48 | maxamillion | Sazpaimon: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 10:11.49 | prometeus | just written it bad |
| 10:11.51 | xingu | prometeus: I can guarentee this will take a nontrivial amount of time |
| 10:11.54 | Sazpaimon | well |
| 10:11.57 | potolo | Sazpaimon: mm, you do need to understand roughly the config files first. it's more of a timesaver |
| 10:12.04 | xingu | prometeus: set it up, then go do something else for 12h or so. |
| 10:12.10 | Gg1 | maxaxillion . ok |
| 10:12.12 | Sazpaimon | I have my domains set up via apache |
| 10:12.16 | Sazpaimon | I need |
| 10:12.17 | Sazpaimon | err |
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| 10:12.28 | Sazpaimon | I need to know how to get started utilizing them with postfix |
| 10:12.46 | Sazpaimon | then I probably would need to do the same with courier |
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| 10:12.51 | potolo | Sazpaimon: Is Postfix Admin [http://high5.net/postfixadmin/] any use? |
| 10:13.21 | Sazpaimon | it might be |
| 10:13.27 | maxamillion | Sazpaimon: oh ... uhmm, not sure ... but you might have a look into http://www.ebox-platform.com/ as a web based admin solution |
| 10:13.39 | Gathond | Sazpaimon: http://www.postfix.org/docs.html has some good howtos (under pop3/imap) of virtual hosting domains |
| 10:14.08 | Sazpaimon | I've shyed away from free web-based hosting tools |
| 10:14.15 | Sazpaimon | especially since VHCS |
| 10:14.27 | Gathond | Sazpaimon: might depend on how seperate the mail users should be though, if you want one mailbox to simply exist on all domains or not |
| 10:14.51 | Sazpaimon | i honestly dont even know |
| 10:14.58 | Sazpaimon | i just want to get it to work like when I had plesk |
| 10:15.07 | potolo | on a vps? |
| 10:15.12 | Sazpaimon | no, dedicated |
| 10:15.14 | potolo | ok |
| 10:15.26 | Gathond | the first is easy enough, just add all the domains postfix should receive mail for to the $mydomains variable |
| 10:15.41 | VImtermute | greets |
| 10:15.47 | Gathond | this should receive mail for all unix users on all the domains listed there |
| 10:16.14 | prometeus | xingu, just another thing and i'm ready to go ;) Disk /dev/sda: 16 heads, 63 sectors, 39560 cylinders |
| 10:16.14 | prometeus | Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes it means u were right and 512 is exactly the block size? |
| 10:16.18 | Sazpaimon | wait |
| 10:16.21 | Sazpaimon | where does this go in? |
| 10:16.22 | pythonic | amd64 ruby DL.dlopen can't open i386 libraries :-/ |
| 10:16.43 | Sazpaimon | master.cf? |
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| 10:16.52 | Gathond | Sazpaimon: main.cf |
| 10:17.01 | Gathond | Sazpaimon: if it is $mydomains you mean |
| 10:17.08 | Sazpaimon | yeah |
| 10:17.16 | maxamillion | ok ... sleep time ... ttyl |
| 10:17.20 | Gathond | it should be set there somewhere (it might default to hostname or mailname though) |
| 10:17.32 | Sazpaimon | mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain |
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| 10:17.45 | Gathond | but the debian config should have a comment about it |
| 10:17.56 | Gathond | Sazpaimon: ahh, yes, that one should do |
| 10:18.01 | Sazpaimon | # See /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, more complete version |
| 10:18.01 | luna35 | is there zsh completion scripts in debian ? |
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| 10:18.10 | Sazpaimon | that might be better for me |
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| 10:18.37 | Gathond | Sazpaimon: putting ", example.com" after that should make it accept user@example.com as well (provided user exists on the machine |
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| 10:19.06 | Sazpaimon | ok |
| 10:19.10 | Sazpaimon | so if I have about |
| 10:19.11 | Gathond | Sazpaimon: depending on your need you might want to have user@foo.com end up in another mailbox than user@bar.com |
| 10:19.15 | Sazpaimon | say, 100 domains |
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| 10:19.18 | Gathond | that will require some more work:) |
| 10:19.25 | Sazpaimon | yeah... |
| 10:19.55 | Gathond | if you have 100 domains I think you need the full virtual thing, otherwise you can't have the same username at different domains (without it being the same user) |
| 10:20.09 | Sazpaimon | ok |
| 10:20.23 | xingu | prometeus: be surprised if it wasn't ;) |
| 10:20.25 | Sazpaimon | so what does that entail? |
| 10:20.27 | Gathond | that postfix page have some good howtos on that (with mysql or postgresql (same with pgsql: in place of mysql:) as a backend |
| 10:20.33 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: hiring an admin |
| 10:20.38 | liable | Sazpaimon: hiring an admin :P |
| 10:20.40 | potolo | if you had about 100 domains then something 'database-y' would be involved I'd think. that postfix admin thing can factor in there. according to some linux magazine i bought a year ago |
| 10:20.42 | Gathond | personally i use postgresql, courier and postfix |
| 10:20.45 | Guerin | liable: pwned |
| 10:20.54 | liable | Guerin: heh |
| 10:21.01 | Sazpaimon | either that or go back to using plesk |
| 10:21.03 | Guerin | Gathond: have you any experience migrating that setup from my to postgre? |
| 10:21.22 | Guerin | postfixadmin isn't bad |
| 10:21.28 | Eclipser | uh oh |
| 10:21.32 | Gathond | only thing you might want to watch out for is the number of database connections using 100 domains, seems to be postfix might have to be set up to do some caching so as not to overwelm the DB server |
| 10:21.35 | liable | any mail admin is bad |
| 10:21.35 | potolo | Eclipser: what? |
| 10:21.37 | Guerin | as long as you block it off from all outside access, permanently |
| 10:21.38 | Sazpaimon | you know, i think I'll just live without email for awhile and buy a license for directadmin |
| 10:21.44 | Gathond | Guerin: some, its several years back though |
| 10:21.49 | Sazpaimon | othwerwise I'll end up wanting to kill myself |
| 10:22.00 | Eclipser | potolo, grub lost the backup where I had my windows boot settings :) |
| 10:22.02 | Gathond | Guerin: the postfix/courier thing was mostly just replacing mysql: with pgsql: |
| 10:22.05 | potolo | Sazpaimon: Probably. not a cheap option though |
| 10:22.13 | Guerin | Gathond: that's awesome news. |
| 10:22.20 | Sazpaimon | a lifetime license for directadmin is only $300 |
| 10:22.25 | Sazpaimon | that's cheaper than most solutions |
| 10:22.26 | potolo | Eclipser: doesn't it have a temp file in /boot/grub. such as menu.lst~ ? |
| 10:22.27 | Gathond | Guerin: the only tricky bit I remember was getting a mysql SQL dump actually entering a postgresql database |
| 10:22.31 | Sazpaimon | cpanel for example is $2500 |
| 10:22.47 | Eclipser | potolo, yes but it overwrote that with one that doesn't have it too already :o |
| 10:22.56 | Gathond | Guerin: avoid dumping in the mysql format with multiple rows per insert (postgresql < 8.2 does not support this) |
| 10:22.59 | potolo | Eclipser: ok hang on |
| 10:23.24 | Sazpaimon | http://www.directadmin.com/pricing.html |
| 10:23.25 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: directadmin license: $300. T1 internet connection: $300/month. being to cheap to hire an admin: priceless. |
| 10:23.32 | Guerin | s/to/too/ |
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| 10:23.43 | Sazpaimon | I have clients though |
| 10:23.53 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: yes. This is why you need an admin. |
| 10:23.56 | Sazpaimon | it'd be more ideal if i had a panel anyway |
| 10:24.04 | potolo | Eclipser: Here's mine: http://www.pastebin.ca/399899 . You should be able to paste the section from theee. |
| 10:24.07 | potolo | *there |
| 10:24.15 | Guerin | Gathond: cool. |
| 10:24.24 | Sazpaimon | I'd need to giev them some sort of web interface |
| 10:24.35 | Guerin | the only other thing I have using mysql is a shitload of php stuff one of my users has for his blog |
| 10:24.35 | row | Where would I be able to find a old 2.6.14/15 debian kernel package? |
| 10:24.37 | Eclipser | potolo, thanks |
| 10:24.43 | Guerin | but wordpress should play nice with postgre |
| 10:24.44 | Gathond | Guerin: of cause I don't use any admin frontends (just edit the DB directly as its just my home setup) so those might require some more work |
| 10:24.59 | potolo | Eclipser: welcome |
| 10:25.00 | Guerin | row: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 10:25.24 | potolo | Guerin: LiveJournal plays well with MySQL |
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| 10:25.37 | row | does not seem to have them Guerin, I already looked there |
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| 10:25.44 | PingFloyd | Sazpaimon: isn't that like handing a 44 magnum to a random native walking out of the rain forest? |
| 10:25.59 | Mike_B_D | yeh |
| 10:26.12 | Guerin | row: it sure does. I got .16 from there just last week. |
| 10:26.12 | Sazpaimon | i dont follow |
| 10:26.36 | potolo | row: weren't they still named kernel-2.blah instead of linux-2.blah back then? |
| 10:26.37 | mike1 | where the hell is debian 4.0?? |
| 10:26.46 | Guerin | mike1: in the internets |
| 10:26.46 | potolo | mike1: the future |
| 10:26.47 | mike1 | is it real? |
| 10:26.53 | Guerin | mike1: not yet. |
| 10:26.57 | mike1 | ok |
| 10:27.04 | valdyn | !etch |
| 10:27.04 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 10:27.08 | mike1 | running etch |
| 10:27.11 | potolo | mike1: it's as real as the girlfriend or boyfriend of every IRCer in here! |
| 10:27.21 | row | potolo: will check |
| 10:27.31 | pythonic | potolo: i resemble that comment! |
| 10:27.31 | potolo | I wonder what's the codename for the successor to Sid. |
| 10:27.39 | potolo | pythonic: heh |
| 10:27.42 | mike1 | sidux hehe |
| 10:27.44 | pythonic | sid has no successor |
| 10:27.50 | pythonic | but lenny is etch + 1 |
| 10:27.54 | mike1 | sid is sid |
| 10:27.55 | Guerin | actually, since October 7, 2000, to be precise |
| 10:28.25 | potolo | Guerin: Did you renounce heterosexuality or did a relationship merely end? |
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| 10:28.39 | pythonic | who said anything about heterosexuality? |
| 10:28.58 | Guerin | potolo: got married ;) |
| 10:29.11 | pythonic | so the relationship ended. |
| 10:29.20 | prometeus1 | xingu , one last thing (i promise) i noticed destination disk has some file and a fat32 partition ? this would interfere? |
| 10:29.25 | PingFloyd | the funeral began you mean |
| 10:29.30 | potolo | pythonic: he used the word girlfriend, and the whois_stalker info had a male-ish name |
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| 10:29.44 | Guerin | spoken like someone who thinks Sex And The City is a guide to marriage. |
| 10:29.45 | potolo | Guerin: Oh God, we're so sorry. :( ;) |
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| 10:29.58 | Guerin | nope, it's all good |
| 10:30.42 | cahoot | obviously #debian isn't *the* place to get advice on relations |
| 10:30.57 | mike1 | woman are users |
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| 10:31.22 | potolo | mike1: do they just use you when they want to and just throw you aside? |
| 10:31.27 | pythonic | no women here; they're in the kitchen. |
| 10:31.42 | mike1 | I am a trisexual =tryanything |
| 10:31.43 | potolo | pythonic: in a cage? |
| 10:32.01 | pythonic | pregnant in summer, barefoot in winter. |
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| 10:33.33 | mike1 | potolo: I have had a bad experience,I ask woman if they want a # |
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| 10:33.42 | mike1 | they slap me |
| 10:33.53 | pythonic | a #? hashish? |
| 10:33.58 | mike1 | lol |
| 10:34.11 | potolo | They're probably just confused. A hash brown? A pound key? Who can tell? |
| 10:34.34 | Guerin | it's not a pound |
| 10:34.35 | Guerin | ffs |
| 10:34.40 | Guerin | stupid americans |
| 10:34.41 | mike1 | potolo: maybe they think i want a / |
| 10:34.44 | mike1 | hehe |
| 10:35.08 | PingFloyd | it is in America |
| 10:35.13 | potolo | Guerin: I know. I was explaining it for N. Americans who might have popped in. |
| 10:35.20 | pythonic | cd ~ ; unzip ; strip ; fsck ; more ; yes ; yes ; yes |
| 10:35.47 | potolo | This is a pound: £ |
| 10:35.49 | Guerin | @fuck pythonic |
| 10:36.05 | ZeeO | hey guys whats the easyest way to clean all my old logs out |
| 10:36.11 | Guerin | ravenbird, we hardly knew ye! |
| 10:36.14 | potolo | rm logname.txt |
| 10:36.25 | potolo | rm *.log |
| 10:36.32 | ZeeO | it seems debian is gziping all my logs |
| 10:36.32 | potolo | or logrotate blah |
| 10:36.33 | Guerin | ZeeO: logrotate is more sustainable |
| 10:36.39 | ZeeO | and its making my cpu |
| 10:36.41 | pythonic | dd if=/dev/urandom of=log ; rm log |
| 10:36.42 | Guerin | ZeeO: that's what logrotate does |
| 10:37.07 | ZeeO | load average: 9.97, 9.40, 7.43 |
| 10:37.34 | pythonic | load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.08 |
| 10:37.45 | Guerin | ZeeO: for logrotate to cause averages like that, you're either running a 386, or have something which is logging at insane rates, or both |
| 10:38.22 | ZeeO | 32757 ? D 1:44 gzip -9f /var/log//debug.0 |
| 10:38.22 | ZeeO | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.26 | xingu | logrotate can eat itself if you have a large number of logfiles in a single dir |
| 10:38.34 | Guerin | !zombie |
| 10:38.35 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 10:38.45 | Guerin | ZeeO: that's your problem |
| 10:38.50 | _fjh_ | Hi, I installed debian etch on a IBM T23 and I am extremly impressed. Nearly all items worked out-of-the box (sound, Xorg, suspend to disk, suspend to RAM)! |
| 10:38.51 | Guerin | probably not causing any cpu time |
| 10:38.56 | mike1 | dpkg etch |
| 10:38.56 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 10:38.58 | Guerin | s/causing/costing/ |
| 10:39.07 | pythonic | does linux have vampires too? |
| 10:39.09 | _fjh_ | This is a bin WOW! |
| 10:39.19 | _fjh_ | big |
| 10:39.52 | potolo | pythonic: I can't think of a witty reply :( |
| 10:40.13 | _fjh_ | Only item I could not get running was network-manager. I had to configure wpa_supplicant by hand. |
| 10:40.55 | _fjh_ | And after a suspend I have to type wp_cli reassociate. Are there ways to automate this? |
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| 10:41.51 | _fjh_ | I would like to have ifdown before suspend and ifup at resume. |
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| 10:42.16 | _fjh_ | But I do not see a way to achieve thta with uswsups |
| 10:42.54 | ZeeO | i can't kill that gzip |
| 10:43.22 | Guerin | ZeeO: did you even READ the zombie factoid? |
| 10:43.32 | PingFloyd | ZeeO: it's already dead |
| 10:43.42 | PingFloyd | can't kill the undead |
| 10:43.48 | PingFloyd | only their parents |
| 10:44.34 | ZeeO | when i do top |
| 10:44.41 | ZeeO | i see 2 gzips on the top |
| 10:44.51 | ZeeO | using 40 % cpu |
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| 10:45.11 | pythonic | zombies don't use cpu |
| 10:45.24 | ZeeO | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.24 | ZeeO | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.31 | _fjh_ | So are uswsusp experts around?:) |
| 10:45.32 | pythonic | they have only a return status to offer. |
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| 10:46.28 | PingFloyd | ZeeO: scroll back and read what Guerin told you |
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| 10:53.01 | pythonic | ZeeO: here's some information on killing zombies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undead#Vulnerabilities |
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| 10:55.47 | Icb3a | hello ;) |
| 10:55.59 | Icb3a | can some one help me about a script plz |
| 10:56.16 | Icb3a | for the first, is there some one here :) ? |
| 10:56.25 | pythonic | Icb3a: ask your question. |
| 10:56.34 | Icb3a | ok pythonic. Thw ;) |
| 10:56.35 | Icb3a | thx |
| 10:56.39 | Icb3a | so |
| 10:57.02 | Icb3a | I have to kill multiple process wich opened socket 27016 |
| 10:57.06 | Icb3a | in order to do this i do |
| 10:57.13 | Icb3a | ps aux | grep 27016 | awk '{ kill $2}' |
| 10:57.18 | Icb3a | but it don't work |
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| 10:57.27 | Icb3a | some one know why ? |
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| 10:57.49 | Ny-Ty | hi |
| 10:57.53 | Icb3a | hi Ny-Ty |
| 10:57.53 | Ny-Ty | i need to install experimental package |
| 10:57.56 | Ny-Ty | how to ? |
| 10:58.04 | h3sp4wn | !experimental |
| 10:58.04 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 10:58.04 | Icb3a | wich source? |
| 10:58.05 | Ny-Ty | i added lines of experimental sources to sources.list |
| 10:58.18 | Ny-Ty | i need to new nvidia drivers |
| 10:58.24 | Icb3a | Ny-Ty : apt-get install if it's in your source list.. |
| 10:58.32 | Ny-Ty | no |
| 10:58.37 | Ny-Ty | it`s install unstable sources |
| 10:58.38 | Icb3a | pythonic do you know my pbm? |
| 10:58.55 | h3sp4wn | Ny-Ty: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source -t experimental |
| 10:58.56 | pythonic | Icb3a: by socket 27016 you mean tcp port 27016? |
| 10:58.59 | Ny-Ty | thx |
| 10:59.20 | Icb3a | pythonic yes it's |
| 10:59.20 | h3sp4wn | Ny-Ty: You cannot install nvidia-glx until you have built the kernel module (with module-assistant) |
| 10:59.34 | jetscreamer | jezus |
| 10:59.37 | pythonic | ps aux doesn't tell you that |
| 10:59.42 | pythonic | try netstat |
| 10:59.49 | Ny-Ty | hmm |
| 10:59.54 | Ny-Ty | it`s downloading from unstable |
| 10:59.54 | jetscreamer | !nv.run |
| 10:59.54 | dpkg | If you don't want to break your system ask me about <nvidia one-liner>. Break? it quick and dirty: get root. kill X. then paste this: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev linux-headers-`uname -r` && md /usr/src/nvda/ && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg0.run -anN |
| 10:59.56 | torrrrr | hi. I was once recommended a lightweight email program, it was said it was from japanese origin. Anyone knows its name? |
| 10:59.57 | Ny-Ty | 8776 driver |
| 11:00.00 | Ny-Ty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:00.05 | Icb3a | pythonic : ps tell you the loading cmd .. the port is in my loading cmd.. |
| 11:00.18 | Icb3a | www-data 14052 0.0 0.5 2580 1316 ? S 10:18 0:00 /bin/sh ./hlds_run -console -game cstrike +maxplayers 12 +map de_dust2 +port 27016 -autoupdate -systickrate 10000 -tickrate 10000 |
| 11:00.32 | torrrrr | btw I need bidi support |
| 11:00.34 | pythonic | Icb3a: i see |
| 11:00.43 | torrrrr | in that email |
| 11:00.52 | Icb3a | pythonic my problem on the kill cmd.. |
| 11:00.55 | Icb3a | if I do : |
| 11:01.03 | Icb3a | ps aux | grep 27016 | awk '{print $2}' |
| 11:01.07 | Icb3a | it list the pid |
| 11:01.14 | Icb3a | but if I do a kill |
| 11:01.19 | Icb3a | it don't work :/ |
| 11:01.20 | Ny-Ty | it`s wrong |
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| 11:01.25 | Ny-Ty | whats on experimental |
| 11:01.27 | Ny-Ty | what version |
| 11:01.37 | h3sp4wn | !info nvidia-glx experimental |
| 11:01.39 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.9746-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 4103 kB, Installed size: 13048 kB |
| 11:01.53 | eisen_ | Icb3a: kill is an awk command? |
| 11:02.06 | Ny-Ty | :| |
| 11:02.08 | Icb3a | eisen_ not but it's give to the shell not ? |
| 11:02.28 | Ny-Ty | !info nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 11:02.36 | Ny-Ty | !info nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 experimental |
| 11:02.41 | Ny-Ty | hmm |
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| 11:02.47 | eisen_ | Icb3a: I believe there is the system() function to run shell commands |
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| 11:02.57 | x-Dieu | !nvidia |
| 11:02.58 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 11:03.00 | Icb3a | eisen_ will try.. ;) |
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| 11:04.10 | jetscreamer | stupid |
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| 11:06.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I trying to format my usb key with gparted, but I dont have enable the option to format as fat32, why not? |
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| 11:07.26 | Icb3a | eisen_ thx you. You was right ;) |
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| 11:08.09 | eisen_ | Icb3a: :) |
| 11:08.38 | eisen_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: is it partitioned? |
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| 11:09.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | eisen_, yep, I'm able to format it as ext2/ext3 and swap |
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| 11:10.04 | eisen_ | and do you have the dosfstools installed? |
| 11:12.35 | gonzaloaf_laptop | eisen_, nop |
| 11:12.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | eisen_, installing.. |
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| 11:14.10 | gonzaloaf_laptop | eisen_, how can I edit the name of my usb key? |
| 11:14.21 | eisen_ | name? |
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| 11:15.33 | cahoot | volume label? |
| 11:15.43 | gonzaloaf_laptop | eisen_, yep, I want to set it to USBDISK for example, son when I connect it I see the name |
| 11:15.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | yep |
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| 11:15.59 | gonzaloaf_laptop | volume label is the correct term |
| 11:16.13 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cahoot, how can I set it? |
| 11:16.18 | eisen_ | mkfs.vfat has probably an option for that |
| 11:17.07 | eisen_ | mkfs.vfat -n foo |
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| 11:20.28 | perlmonkey | my kmail won't start anymore on laptop :-/ |
| 11:21.23 | eisen_ | kmail sometimes takes a long while to start again when it did not close properly |
| 11:21.26 | perlmonkey | refuses to start up even from shell |
| 11:21.32 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 11:21.49 | eisen_ | killall kmail |
| 11:21.55 | eisen_ | helps often |
| 11:22.08 | eisen_ | then try again |
| 11:22.47 | perlmonkey | eisen_: many thanks |
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| 11:24.53 | perlmonkey | well it starts up now at least, but it hangs on "initializing" and white screens |
| 11:25.28 | eisen_ | hm |
| 11:25.34 | eisen_ | do you use kwallet? |
| 11:25.55 | perlmonkey | ya |
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| 11:26.06 | eisen_ | maybe the password box is open somewhere |
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| 11:26.11 | perlmonkey | ah |
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| 11:28.51 | dutchfish | is there a way to connect through ssh with gmc? |
| 11:30.03 | defcon8 | what was the general pop3 client for linux? I forgot its name |
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| 11:30.14 | dutchfish | defcon8, kmail? |
| 11:30.18 | defcon8 | no |
| 11:30.27 | defcon8 | it downloads to your mail dir |
| 11:30.31 | defcon8 | works from shell |
| 11:30.35 | h3sp4wn | fetchmail |
| 11:30.36 | dutchfish | mutt? |
| 11:30.51 | defcon8 | yeah that's it |
| 11:30.54 | defcon8 | fetchmail. thanks |
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| 11:31.54 | Icb3a | hi here ;) |
| 11:32.06 | Icb3a | some one know awk ?? |
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| 11:34.13 | pngwn | Icb3a, just ask your question |
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| 11:34.45 | Icb3a | ps aux | grep 27016 | awk '{system("kill -9 $2")}' <- why does it don't work :/ |
| 11:35.03 | Icb3a | it return : kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] [pid | job]... or kill -l [sigspec] |
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| 11:36.52 | eisen_ | Icb3a: I don't think it will evaluate the $2 inside the function |
| 11:37.30 | Icb3a | eisen_ but if I do : ps aux | grep 27016 | awk '{system(kill $2)}' |
| 11:37.33 | Icb3a | it return : |
| 11:37.39 | Icb3a | /bin/sh: line 1: 14052: command not found |
| 11:37.45 | Icb3a | with 14052 the process id |
| 11:37.50 | xingu | why do people always use grep+awk |
| 11:37.55 | eisen_ | Icb3a: kill $(ps aux | grep 27016 | awk '{print $2}') |
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| 11:38.02 | xingu | Icb3a: you realise that "pkill" does what that string does? |
| 11:38.03 | eisen_ | maybe above works |
| 11:38.29 | eisen_ | indeed |
| 11:39.44 | Icb3a | eisen_ you right.. thx a lot eisen_ and xingu ;) |
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| 11:41.12 | dutchfish | Is it possible to use gmc through ssh? |
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| 11:42.07 | dutchfish | or nautilus? |
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| 11:43.58 | eisen_ | with x forwarding |
| 11:44.01 | eisen_ | ssh -x |
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| 11:44.24 | rmrfchik | any news about 2.6.20 in unstable/experimental? |
| 11:44.42 | dutchfish | eisen_, sorry i am rather new to the graphical myriads, can you explain how to do this or what i need? |
| 11:45.00 | Archville | Any easy way to update to Gnome 2.18 on Etch ? |
| 11:45.39 | streuner_ | rmrfchik: what kind of news do you expect? |
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| 11:45.39 | testset | do you know what i should install to have sound? (in past i used gnome+desktop installation of etch, the current installation ist nothing + xfce) |
| 11:45.40 | testset | (13:43:39) testset: i have installed amarok, alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-oss |
| 11:45.40 | eisen_ | dutchfish: you connect with ssh -x and run the program remotely. With a bit of luck it shows locally. |
| 11:45.40 | rmrfchik | streuner_: either .deb or time when expect |
| 11:45.40 | streuner_ | Don't expect any 2.6.20 kernel until etch is released |
| 11:45.40 | rmrfchik | ok |
| 11:45.41 | rmrfchik | sad... |
| 11:45.59 | rmrfchik | latest x.org requires DRM 1.7 (2.6.20), while current DRM is 1.5 |
| 11:46.11 | dutchfish | eisen_, i need to tranport some files out of 10000+ files on different machines often, i need some fucntionality like winscp |
| 11:46.32 | eisen_ | dutchfish: oh |
| 11:46.39 | eisen_ | dutchfish: try sshfs for example |
| 11:47.13 | eisen_ | in konqueror you can use fish://user@host |
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| 11:47.24 | eisen_ | I guess something similar is possible in gnome |
| 11:47.24 | rpc | can someone tell me what kind of problem does this thing indicate? TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:31245 overruns:0 carrier:0 |
| 11:47.26 | innu | Hey. Suggest graphical ftp clients except gFTP beacuse it crashes somewhy... |
| 11:47.29 | dutchfish | eisen_, i use merely gnome |
| 11:48.34 | dutchfish | eisen_, so sshfs let me remotely mount through ssh? |
| 11:48.40 | somian | An obscure problem apparently ... I have different Xorg-Xserver configurations that I want to start from gdm. But The gdm greeter screen does not show me any choices, although I have gdm.conf altered to include the additional servers. |
| 11:48.45 | eisen_ | dutchfish: yes |
| 11:49.08 | dutchfish | eisen_, but the remote machines need also sshfs? |
| 11:49.18 | eisen_ | dutchfish: no |
| 11:49.25 | dutchfish | eisen_, cool |
| 11:49.40 | dutchfish | eisen_, i delve into that thx! |
| 11:49.42 | eisen_ | I'm sure gnome has an easy way though |
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| 11:49.52 | dutchfish | eisen_, yes, i thought so also |
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| 11:50.18 | dutchfish | eisen_, just not know how to do it |
| 11:50.43 | dutchfish | eisen_, the easiest way would be something for nautilus |
| 11:51.12 | dutchfish | eisen_, sshfs is not an option, it needs root |
| 11:51.46 | dutchfish | eisen_, at least to mount |
| 11:52.06 | dutchfish | eisen_, mmm |
| 11:52.16 | eisen_ | just a guess: Try ssh://user@host in the address bar |
| 11:52.43 | dutchfish | eisen_, in nautilus? |
| 11:52.49 | eisen_ | yeah |
| 11:53.00 | eisen_ | I haven't used gnome in a long time though |
| 11:54.08 | dutchfish | eisen_, works like a charm, many thx! |
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| 11:58.16 | testset | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.16 | testset | (13:45:17) eisen_: dutchfish: you connect with ssh -x and run the program |
| 11:59.04 | eisen_ | testset: ? |
| 11:59.15 | dutchfish | testset, you mean ssh -x nautilus? |
| 11:59.17 | testset | ups |
| 11:59.18 | testset | arg |
| 11:59.31 | testset | wrong quotet |
| 11:59.32 | testset | -d |
| 11:59.36 | dutchfish | testset, np |
| 11:59.44 | testset | i want to enable sounds... but it won't work |
| 11:59.49 | testset | i donnot know what to install |
| 12:00.00 | testset | ty |
| 12:00.12 | dutchfish | testset, you can use alsa |
| 12:00.30 | testset | yup, i installed marok, alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-oss |
| 12:00.36 | testset | marok = amaro |
| 12:00.38 | testset | k |
| 12:00.45 | eisen_ | did you unmute the channels? |
| 12:00.52 | testset | how? |
| 12:00.58 | eisen_ | in a mixer? |
| 12:01.04 | testset | hm |
| 12:01.06 | testset | mom |
| 12:01.24 | testset | f.e. alsamixergui? |
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| 12:01.38 | Cholito | testset, xine-engine |
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| 12:03.34 | testset | hooray |
| 12:03.57 | testset | i used alsamixergui wand set all "things" up to highest level + active |
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| 12:04.44 | cahoot | testset: so how do you test sound? |
| 12:04.49 | testset | this is master and PCM |
| 12:04.58 | testset | i test it with amarok + mp3 |
| 12:05.01 | testset | file |
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| 12:05.36 | dutchfish | eisen_, btw making ssh://user@host also makes a nice graphical map on my desktop for later re-use, this is cool |
| 12:06.02 | cahoot | testset: if you run yes | aplay in a terminal - noise or error? |
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| 12:06.59 | testset | hm, yes theri is a noise (i think) |
| 12:07.02 | perlmonkey | cahoot is a UK online bank |
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| 12:08.17 | perlmonkey | sheesh my kmail keeps white screening |
| 12:08.21 | perlmonkey | hi abrotman |
| 12:08.29 | abrotman | hi |
| 12:08.42 | eisen_ | if there any error when running kmail from the cli? |
| 12:08.50 | eisen_ | is* |
| 12:09.25 | cahoot | testset: you *think* there is sound/noise? |
| 12:09.52 | perlmonkey | eisen_ no errors in log when starting properly and none at shell when starting from there, i think it could be kwallet related as you said earlier |
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| 12:10.22 | abrotman | does it catch up eventually ? |
| 12:10.58 | perlmonkey | it wont start, just white screens and hangs.. but i havent left it longer than few mins |
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| 12:11.03 | perlmonkey | shall I try it longer? |
| 12:11.53 | perlmonkey | if it's running on my workstation (NFS home folder) would that cause it, like a session conflict? |
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| 12:11.57 | eisen_ | longest I experienced was about 10 minutes. I was just suprised when it popped up suddenly. |
| 12:12.04 | eisen_ | it did not whitescreen then though |
| 12:12.08 | perlmonkey | phew, i could try longer then |
| 12:12.15 | eisen_ | just wasn't there |
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| 12:12.38 | eisen_ | or restart kwallet |
| 12:12.41 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 12:13.43 | eisen_ | oh it runs from an nfs folder |
| 12:13.51 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 12:14.00 | abrotman | or you could .. not use kmail :) |
| 12:14.23 | perlmonkey | I used Evolution previously but started to get very unstable and crashed alot |
| 12:14.32 | perlmonkey | mind you my inbox was huge |
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| 12:15.14 | perlmonkey | open to suggestions on alternatives? :P |
| 12:15.44 | GutterPunk | I have an old Debian Woody system. Is it possible to upgrade it to etch? Do I need to upgrade to sarge first? |
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| 12:16.14 | abrotman | GutterPunk: that'd probably be a good idea |
| 12:16.22 | asg | GutterPunk: you will have fewer problems going to sarge first |
| 12:17.10 | GutterPunk | asg abrotman so just changing the line from woody to sarge in my sources.list, and doing a dist-upgrade should actually work? |
| 12:17.11 | eisen_ | hm, I experienced stale nfs sessions myself once, when I did huge rsyncs |
| 12:17.33 | abrotman | GutterPunk: might want to use aptitude |
| 12:17.46 | asg | GutterPunk: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 12:17.52 | asg | GutterPunk: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 12:17.54 | GutterPunk | Alright |
| 12:17.54 | perlmonkey | nfs has caused some probs with stale sessions for me using Mozilla |
| 12:17.57 | GutterPunk | Thanks_ |
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| 12:18.25 | perlmonkey | how the heck do you restart kwallet |
| 12:18.51 | perlmonkey | i think someone has stolen my wallet, cant find it anywhere |
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| 12:19.05 | eisen_ | I believe using no_subtree_check in exports remedied it for me |
| 12:19.22 | perlmonkey | oo |
| 12:19.43 | eisen_ | Not sure though, but I still have it in my exports |
| 12:20.19 | eisen_ | enabling it involves some security risk iirc |
| 12:20.30 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 12:20.41 | perlmonkey | but for single user network wud be ok? |
| 12:20.56 | eisen_ | I'd think so |
| 12:21.34 | eisen_ | I decided to use it at the time. Better check for yourself though. |
| 12:22.25 | torrrrr | anyone knows how to setup keyboard layouts in xfce ? |
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| 12:22.54 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 12:22.54 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 12:23.30 | perlmonkey | woah |
| 12:23.40 | eisen_ | perlmonkey: maybe you can restart kwallet in services in kcontrol |
| 12:23.58 | perlmonkey | eisen_ you were right, it was kwallet causing problem. i restarted it from kcontrol and kmail works fine again |
| 12:24.06 | eisen_ | cool |
| 12:24.10 | perlmonkey | :-) thanks |
| 12:24.18 | torrrrr | abrotman, actually my keymaps are fine, I just use NX and can't send the key combo to switch it since it is intercepted by windows |
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| 12:25.01 | abrotman | maybe ask #freenx ? |
| 12:26.09 | bvm | could anyone remind me of the command for resetting a down network connection |
| 12:26.28 | asg | bvm: ifup / ifconfig |
| 12:26.35 | bvm | just ifup |
| 12:26.42 | torrrrr | abrotman, they don't know |
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| 12:26.52 | asg | bvm: no, ifup <interace> |
| 12:26.52 | Vutral | mhm |
| 12:27.00 | Vutral | communists here ? |
| 12:27.08 | torrrrr | abrotman, but say I can change to a key combo that windows doesn't intercept |
| 12:27.13 | asg | Vutral: they are in #cuba |
| 12:27.19 | torrrrr | abrotman, which I try to do |
| 12:27.38 | bvm | thanks asg |
| 12:27.42 | asg | bvm: you're welcome |
| 12:27.46 | Vutral | no |
| 12:27.49 | abrotman | torrrrr: or fix windows ? |
| 12:27.49 | Vutral | asg there is no one |
| 12:28.20 | asg | Vutral: ask #freenode if they know where the communists hang out. The only one I know is damog and he isn't here |
| 12:28.45 | torrrrr | abrotman, that's an other option :) |
| 12:29.02 | abrotman | Vutral: try #politics |
| 12:29.29 | Suprano | what do i need to do again to use my current kernel config for the new one i am going to compile ? |
| 12:29.38 | Gnea | Vutral: you could always try #communists |
| 12:29.53 | abrotman | make oldconfig ? |
| 12:29.56 | asg | Gnea: that's way too easy, only the posers would hang there |
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| 12:30.11 | Vutral | mhm |
| 12:30.36 | Suprano | abrotman nothing to copy from /boot ? |
| 12:30.43 | Gnea | asg: who walks into an OS channel and asks if there are communists hanging out there? |
| 12:30.48 | abrotman | you can copy it to .config |
| 12:31.53 | asg | Gnea: someone who doesn't know this is an OS channel but has heard that the fine folks in #debian know everything |
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| 12:32.26 | Gnea | asg: i'm not sure if i should be appalled or falling over hysterically |
| 12:32.41 | asg | Gnea: ;) |
| 12:32.52 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:32.55 | bvm | asg is holdin it down |
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| 12:36.24 | Vutral | mhm |
| 12:36.32 | somian | I'll mention once more ... I have different Xorg-Xserver configurations that I want to start from gdm. But The gdm greeter screen does not show me any choices, although I have gdm.conf altered to include the additional servers. |
| 12:36.43 | rpc | can someone tell me what kind of problem does this thing indicate? TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:31245 overruns:0 carrier:0 |
| 12:37.04 | somian | rpc: pixies. |
| 12:37.04 | bvm | som: you find that a problem? |
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| 12:37.29 | torrrrr | is there a comandline command that switch keyboard layout |
| 12:37.31 | torrrrr | ? |
| 12:37.45 | Vutral | lol |
| 12:38.17 | cahoot | torrrrr: in X ? then setxkbmap might do |
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| 12:43.07 | wols_ | rpc: the other side not answering? |
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| 12:44.57 | Gnea | Vutral: what's so funny? |
| 12:45.41 | bvm | where'r you from vutral |
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| 12:46.34 | Trazi | Hi all |
| 12:46.41 | bvm | holla trazi |
| 12:47.04 | bvm | that's hola/ hello |
| 12:47.11 | Vutral | mhm |
| 12:47.14 | Vutral | wa |
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| 12:47.57 | Trazi | Uhm, ok bvm :) |
| 12:48.06 | bvm | exactly |
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| 12:49.20 | somian | Anybody know what deb package to dpkg --reconfigure, to reset the X kbd mapping? |
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| 12:53.36 | asg | somian: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 12:53.42 | asg | somian: or just run kbd-config |
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| 12:55.57 | juanmabc | hello, exists a file that holds the debian distribution name, like /etc/fedora-release holds the fedora distribution name ? |
| 12:56.06 | somian | Hmm. console-data is not installed. But thanks. |
| 12:56.24 | somian | /etc/issue IIRC |
| 12:56.36 | abrotman | /etc/debian_version holds a number |
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| 12:57.53 | Thms | why I don't see my network card with wireshark in capture > interfaces ? |
| 12:57.58 | Tacuabe | hi... i m trying to convert an old p2 350mhz into a router, ive searched in google and i find clarkconnect and ipcop distributions... i prefer to do it with debian... exist any paquage i can just install and then confiure by web??? |
| 12:58.04 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:58.12 | koby | Is there any way to see which files are a certain apache child is using? One child is not being killed w/o any error in the logs, and I want to find out what was he doing? |
| 12:58.15 | koby | Is strace my best bet? |
| 12:58.18 | asg | somian: what debian version are you running? |
| 12:58.21 | overrider | im trying to boot using linux26 on a compaq presario v3000, but when i reach the installation screen, the arrows on my keyboard wont even move the cursor. any ideas? |
| 12:58.23 | wols_ | Tacuabe: not with a web config |
| 12:58.28 | juanmabc | so the distro name will be Debian GNU/linux $(cat etc/debian_version) ? |
| 12:58.56 | abrotman | juanmabc: 3.1 is sarge |
| 12:59.27 | wols_ | Tacuabe: the packages to make a nAT router are ipmasq and dnsmasq |
| 12:59.34 | Tacuabe | wols_, my problem is ive not yet undestand iptables... i need the router tomorrow and need something really easy to configure |
| 12:59.46 | wols_ | Tacuabe: it is easy, trust me |
| 12:59.57 | Tacuabe | i take note. |
| 13:00.00 | Tacuabe | thanks |
| 13:00.03 | perlmonkey | I use shorewall |
| 13:00.05 | wols_ | Tacuabe: if you don't need DHCP nothing besides the initial debconf needed |
| 13:00.11 | perlmonkey | found it easier than iptables |
| 13:00.13 | juanmabc | mmm, exist a way to catch the distro codename? I know it is variable |
| 13:00.14 | wols_ | if you need DHCP you need to enable it in dnsmasq.conf, that's all |
| 13:00.47 | Tacuabe | i have 3 eth cards 1 for inet 2 other to connects hubs |
| 13:00.57 | Tacuabe | i need dhcp |
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| 13:01.04 | wols_ | Tacuabe: put the two local ones into their own subnet |
| 13:01.21 | Gnea | Thms: works fine here |
| 13:01.32 | wols_ | Tacuabe: ipmasq will deal with those additional NICs just fine |
| 13:01.39 | perlmonkey | you guys having lunch yet? |
| 13:01.43 | wols_ | Gnea: you use debian as a switch too? |
| 13:02.01 | Tacuabe | perlmonkey, is 10 am here :) |
| 13:02.01 | wols_ | perlmonkey: it's 2pm. lunch is long over, even when I only got up 15min ago |
| 13:02.11 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 13:02.15 | Thms | Gnea: not for me |
| 13:02.40 | perlmonkey | Tacuabe: cooked breakfast for you then? |
| 13:02.57 | juanmabc | gentoo have emerge --system, apt have some option like that? I'm searching |
| 13:03.00 | Gnea | wols_: sort of |
| 13:03.00 | Tacuabe | perlmonkey, only a few mates |
| 13:03.15 | wols_ | juanmabc: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:03.34 | Gnea | Thms: what user are you running it as? |
| 13:03.46 | Thms | Gnea: normal user |
| 13:03.51 | wols_ | doh! |
| 13:04.03 | Gnea | Thms: ah, that's the problem. you're supposed to run it as root |
| 13:04.08 | Tacuabe | perlmonkey, see => http://www.argentour.com/es/mate/mate.php |
| 13:04.16 | Thms | Gnea: ok, but if I want as user how to do ? |
| 13:04.29 | Gnea | Thms: setup sudo |
| 13:04.54 | wols_ | Thms: afaik you can't since only root is allowed to open interfaces in promiscuos mode |
| 13:04.56 | Tacuabe | wols_, i start to install etch in the pentium 2... i will try as you tell me |
| 13:05.04 | wols_ | otherwise any user could sniff your network traffic |
| 13:05.04 | Tacuabe | thanks |
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| 13:05.23 | perlmonkey | Tacuabe: woah how strange! |
| 13:05.41 | Tacuabe | perlmonkey, why |
| 13:05.43 | juanmabc | I'm not in Debian, I'm developing a GPL command that ouputs the distribution name of the system :), please, can someone paste the ouput of apt-get dist-upgrade to http://www.rafb.net/paste ? |
| 13:06.01 | perlmonkey | Tacuabe: what is that, some kind of coffee-like brew? |
| 13:06.09 | Gnea | juanmabc: what's the point of dist-upgrade? |
| 13:06.14 | Tacuabe | perlmonkey, more similar to tea |
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| 13:06.18 | wols_ | juanmabc: no. cause it's different every time |
| 13:06.21 | xingu | well that's quite cool. :) |
| 13:06.24 | perlmonkey | very interesting |
| 13:06.31 | bvm | wont dist upgrade break binary drivers |
| 13:06.35 | Thms | okay wols_ |
| 13:06.42 | wols_ | bvm: it usually does |
| 13:06.45 | Tacuabe | perlmonkey, it is not a drug as many people think |
| 13:06.47 | torrrrr | anyone knows how to change my xchat color? (When I write it is gray, and the colors panel is not affecting it , at least what I did so far) |
| 13:06.50 | juanmabc | wols_: it don't tells Sarge, or Etch ? |
| 13:06.55 | bvm | can i give you input w/o breaking drivers |
| 13:06.56 | wols_ | juanmabc: no |
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| 13:06.58 | perlmonkey | Tacuabe: does it have health benefits? |
| 13:07.14 | Gnea | juanmabc: dist-upgrade is not a reliable function for what you are trying to do. |
| 13:07.40 | h3sp4wn | bvm: It won't if you are using debian packaged binary drivers (unless you use a debian kernel then you just have to rebuild the kernel module) |
| 13:07.44 | wols_ | bvm: has anyone asked for input? do ew look like Number 5? If you have a problem just state it |
| 13:07.55 | xingu | this beryl thing is quite pretty |
| 13:08.16 | bvm | somebody was lookng for uploads after dist upgrade |
| 13:08.20 | perlmonkey | Tacuabe: oh yes I see it has many |
| 13:08.41 | Gnea | juanmabc: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:08.52 | juanmabc | maybe parsing /etc/apt/sources.list ? but is not trustworthy if someone uses testing or stable code names instead of sarge of etch, ideas? |
| 13:09.01 | bvm | juanmabc, i think |
| 13:09.02 | Gnea | juanmabc: you could also try grep deb /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v \# | awk '{print $3}' | sort | uniq but that's flawed since it can pick up other things as well |
| 13:09.03 | juanmabc | Gnea: yes, it seems the best option by now |
| 13:09.43 | juanmabc | but the codename could be useful |
| 13:09.44 | Tacuabe | my baby gets up... see you later guys..... many thanks and have pease |
| 13:09.53 | h3sp4wn | juanmabc: remember most of the time it will say testing/unstable |
| 13:09.56 | wols_ | juanmabc: usually the way to check what someone runs in here is by checking his libc6 version |
| 13:10.14 | Suprano | i just did make menuconfig to conf my kernel, then i tried make , but it says the kernel isn't configured.. |
| 13:10.37 | wols_ | Suprano: you#re not supposed to use make, but kernel-package |
| 13:10.51 | Suprano | well what ever, make deb-pkg says the same |
| 13:10.59 | wols_ | Suprano: and you need to save your config when exiting menuconfig |
| 13:11.03 | Suprano | i did |
| 13:11.10 | Suprano | my-conf |
| 13:11.13 | wols_ | make deb-pkg? huh? what's that suppoed to be? |
| 13:11.13 | Suprano | is the name.. |
| 13:11.25 | Suprano | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.25 | wols_ | debian kernel sources? |
| 13:11.32 | Suprano | no |
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| 13:12.03 | wols_ | Suprano: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1. what libc6 version? |
| 13:12.22 | Suprano | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:12.55 | wols_ | well, debian has no deb-pkg anyahere I'd say |
| 13:13.07 | wols_ | there is kernel-package, dh_make, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:13.12 | wols_ | but no deb-pkg |
| 13:13.32 | Suprano | that are the original sources |
| 13:13.37 | wols_ | and you should run either make bzImage or better: make-kpkg binary-arch |
| 13:13.40 | Suprano | from kernel.org |
| 13:13.52 | wols_ | doesn't matter. you should still do as I said |
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| 13:16.19 | Suprano | hmm |
| 13:16.37 | capiira | offtopic but is ( ./configure --prefix=/path/to/prefix ) the path to where "make install" would install the app or the path to where the compiled software will be placed after compiling ? |
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| 13:16.38 | Suprano | bash: make-kpkg: command not found .. the bzImage is there.. |
| 13:16.53 | h3sp4wn | capiira: first |
| 13:17.05 | capiira | thx |
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| 13:17.13 | wols_ | Suprano: if you have a bzImage you're done and have a compiled kernel |
| 13:17.26 | wols_ | Suprano: apt-get install kernel-package. THEN run make-kpkg |
| 13:17.34 | capiira | is there a way to let make separate compiled files from sources? |
| 13:17.38 | Suprano | i want the newest kernel |
| 13:17.58 | wols_ | Suprano: I want clueful questions on a sunday |
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| 13:18.11 | Suprano | sry sry, thats my first time compiling a kernel |
| 13:18.16 | wols_ | capiira: depends on what you compiled |
| 13:18.34 | Suprano | so make-kpkg is a tool to compile the kernel ? |
| 13:18.37 | capiira | when i compile something then make puts everything into the sources folder |
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| 13:18.54 | wols_ | capiira: usually make install. and compiling stuff from source in debian without making a .deb is usually a very bad idea(tm) |
| 13:19.05 | capiira | yeah i know |
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| 13:19.25 | Suprano | /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:53: No .config file found |
| 13:19.53 | capiira | thats why i want to avoid make install but let make separate the compiled stuff from the sources so i can package it to deb file |
| 13:19.55 | juanmabc | well, I will use /etc/debian_version by now, but you, some developers, could consider adding a /etc/debian-release file that holds the debian distribution name, in fedora 6 it holds "Fedora Core release 6 (Zod)", it could be useful for configuration applications, have a good day |
| 13:19.59 | wols_ | Suprano: then you din't make menuconfig, period |
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| 13:20.04 | Suprano | i did. |
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| 13:20.06 | dvs | Suprano: cp /boot/linux-image-$(uname -r) . |
| 13:20.10 | dvs | Suprano: cp /boot/linux-image-$(uname -r) .config |
| 13:20.21 | wols_ | in your top level kernel source there must be a file .config. if there isn't there wasn't a successful configuration, period |
| 13:20.24 | Suprano | ah it needs to be named .config, thats the part |
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| 13:20.34 | wols_ | dvs: that's wrong |
| 13:20.35 | Suprano | i named it my-conf O_o |
| 13:20.45 | dvs | Suprano: but if you used make menuconfig, it should have created one for you. |
| 13:21.01 | wols_ | Suprano: if you used an old config file, you need ot "make oldconfig" before compiling |
| 13:21.01 | dvs | wols_: then run "make menuconfig" afterwards? |
| 13:21.16 | Suprano | well in the saving dialog i entered my-conf ^^ |
| 13:21.25 | wols_ | dvs: no. your cp command was totally wrong. no one copies the kernel itself as a config file |
| 13:21.52 | Suprano | :D |
| 13:22.08 | wols_ | Suprano: then rename my-conf to .config |
| 13:22.22 | capiira | wols: or will i need use make install with a custom directory in prefix to separate the binaries from source ? |
| 13:22.23 | Suprano | yea i just did that. now it starts to compile |
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| 13:22.40 | wols_ | capiira: read the docs for whateevr yu're compiling |
| 13:23.07 | wols_ | Suprano: what harddisk contrller do you have, what filesystems and what network card? |
| 13:23.19 | capiira | im trying to understand make |
| 13:23.33 | capiira | not app related |
| 13:23.35 | wols_ | capiira: make has nothing to do with it where stuff ends up |
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| 13:23.52 | capiira | ah ok |
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| 13:24.09 | wols_ | and whatever the Makefile has in there is done. make is only a Makefile interpreter. and since Makefiles are written by programmers, they can have a lot in thre or ntohing |
| 13:24.28 | wols_ | with autoconf, prefixes and the like are set via ./configure parameters |
| 13:24.35 | Suprano | ext3 & xfs, MCP55 SATA & pata, and onboard VIA chipset network |
| 13:24.40 | capiira | ahh ok |
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| 13:25.08 | wols_ | Suprano: since this is your first kernel, make sure drivers for all these things are compiled into the kernel and not as a module before oyu compile |
| 13:25.26 | wols_ | Suprano: cuts down on the problem of kernel panics a lot |
| 13:25.38 | Suprano | wols_ i copied my config from /boot and just looked over it |
| 13:25.47 | Suprano | i hope that these things are all already done |
| 13:25.56 | wols_ | Suprano: your choice but don't ask me when it panics |
| 13:25.59 | Suprano | k |
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| 13:26.12 | wols_ | and no, most problaly some of them are modules |
| 13:26.14 | dvs | Suprano: it will panic |
| 13:26.37 | dvs | no doubt |
| 13:26.54 | wols_ | btw: what stupid mobo has mcp55 and via network chips? |
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| 13:27.13 | wols_ | doesn't make sense. but then, I#ve seen nf2 mobos with GBIt networking |
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| 13:29.27 | juanmabc | someone tells me that the command lsb_release -a do the work that I'm developing, I thinks it's true, exists on Debian ? |
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| 13:29.58 | wols_ | jaranga: packages.debian.org |
| 13:31.26 | juanmabc | i.e. it ouputs Sarge or Etch ? |
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| 13:31.27 | wols_ | it does not exist. and next time check pdo yourself |
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| 13:32.15 | Suprano | ok i am reconfiguring it atm |
| 13:32.28 | juanmabc | wols_: sorry as I said I'm not on Debian, I'm developing a independent of distribution program, I think that install all the distributions for it is not the way, but I will search the web for this package on Debian |
| 13:32.41 | wols_ | juanmabc: I told you where to look |
| 13:32.49 | Suprano | there are some parts that says M but i want them to be built in, but it says they depend on other as M selected modules. how to know which ones ? |
| 13:32.52 | dvs | Suprano: make sure the file system (namely ext2) and your IDE disk controller are built into the kernel and not a modules. |
| 13:32.54 | simonrvn | yes |
| 13:32.55 | wols_ | and it's not installed by default which means you can't depend on it |
| 13:33.10 | wols_ | dvs: ext3 is not his filesystem |
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| 13:33.19 | wols_ | Suprano: help tells you |
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| 13:33.42 | Suprano | ah yes |
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| 13:34.06 | juanmabc | wols_: yes, and thank you for that, but if the program already exists I don't want to make another, else I will use /etc/debian_version :) |
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| 13:36.42 | juanmabc | ok, I can chroot to my debian partition, and it have the lsb_release command, lsb_release -a do the job :) |
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| 13:46.33 | bvm | anybody here ever used asterisk |
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| 13:46.55 | bvm | I am interested in something like a vamped up grandcentral dot com |
| 13:47.42 | abrotman | there are channels for asterisk |
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| 13:47.54 | bvm | true enoug |
| 13:47.55 | bvm | h |
| 13:48.05 | bvm | i am on one, |
| 13:48.13 | bvm | but is it workable at small scale |
| 13:48.19 | bvm | on debian |
| 13:49.15 | overrider | i would like to boot the install using linux26, but then the keyboard wont respond. im using a compaq presario v3000. any ideas? |
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| 13:49.30 | bvm | try ubuntu |
| 13:49.52 | S2AnGeL | your using a usb keyboard I imagine |
| 13:50.11 | overrider | S2AnGel, nph, just the keyboard of my laptop |
| 13:50.17 | overrider | bvm, i would, if i wanted ubuntu |
| 13:50.18 | S2AnGeL | oh |
| 13:50.28 | S2AnGeL | plug in a ps/2 keyboard in the back |
| 13:50.34 | bvm | only kidding |
| 13:51.00 | wols_ | abrotman: good morning on a glorious sunday in #debian |
| 13:51.07 | bvm | i have same family laptop |
| 13:51.11 | abrotman | time to make the donuts! |
| 13:51.19 | S2AnGeL | I think the netinstall lastest etch one has usb support and loads 26 by default |
| 13:51.21 | dvs | do you fries with that? |
| 13:51.40 | abrotman | overrider: try the etch installer |
| 13:52.03 | bvm | i 2nd abro* |
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| 13:56.07 | S2AnGeL | overrider, I like the kanotix.com version of knoppix like bootables.. based all on sid realese.. and you can apt-get upgrade from there fairly cleanly.. and weed out unessary stuff.. boys did a decent job |
| 13:56.22 | S2AnGeL | wish I knew the name of the new distro alot of the developers went to |
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| 13:56.48 | S2AnGeL | kanotix of them seems to have more support for the weirder drivers |
| 13:57.46 | S2AnGeL | just kanotix-installer and your off to the races (sorry for the metafore for thous non english speaking fokes) translation should allow you to install it to the harddrive |
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| 13:58.31 | h3sp4wn | S2AnGeL: sidux |
| 13:58.52 | h3sp4wn | S2AnGeL: (it has less hacks than kanotix used to) trys to keep DFSG complient |
| 13:59.07 | S2AnGeL | nice thanks yes thats it sidux |
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| 14:00.52 | Bracki | i've got trouble with my alt-key |
| 14:01.01 | dazjorz | is it normal that I get "The following packages could not be authenticated" when I upgrade to etch? I have the newest debian-archive-keyring installed |
| 14:01.30 | Bracki | alt-tab works but stuff like alt-q prints ñ instead of doing well "alt-q"... |
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| 14:03.19 | S2AnGeL | dazjorz:yup |
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| 14:03.46 | dazjorz | S2AnGeL: anything I can do to fix that or do I just have to ignore it? |
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| 14:04.25 | bvm | overrrider: i am the last person who should be putting you off straight etch, the new installers should work, post 2.6.18 have all usb keyboards w/o doubt |
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| 14:04.54 | S2AnGeL | thats fine.. just , I think (someone correct me) that keys to prove they are real packages are slowly becoming a common place in the aim for more security.. You can add the key .. not sure how I just ignor it.. think of it as microsoft saying the drivers are not varified.. |
| 14:04.55 | h3sp4wn | Bracki: You might need something like - XTerm*metaSendsEscape: 1 in ~/.Xresources |
| 14:05.06 | S2AnGeL | sorry for mentionng the M word .. |
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| 14:05.30 | bvm | not your fauult s2 |
| 14:05.39 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: see the topic if it still doesn't work |
| 14:06.30 | S2AnGeL | oh gezz never seen the topic thing.. |
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| 14:06.59 | dazjorz | S2AnGeL, h3sp4wn, I asked dpkg about no public key and then about etch key, I already had the newest version of debian-archive-keyring installed |
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| 14:07.59 | S2AnGeL | maybe like me you are using some unofficial repositories |
| 14:08.17 | S2AnGeL | check what sites are complaining |
| 14:09.32 | S2AnGeL | rember debian is strick on how and what things go into debian.. I am glad they are .. in my mind it puts all the othere distros to shame for rushing and screaming latest cutting edge and later failing at some point and not mentioning it |
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| 14:10.41 | S2AnGeL | my key issue is with http://deb.opera.com repository .. so really as you can guess its not in the official.. |
| 14:10.59 | abrotman | then don't use it .. just wait for opera to tell you there's a newer version |
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| 14:11.36 | dazjorz | S2AnGeL: No, debian repositories only. |
| 14:12.06 | abrotman | S2AnGeL: there's a release key for opera |
| 14:12.16 | abrotman | for etch/sid anyways |
| 14:12.34 | simonrvn | oh cool, the selection in screen moves instead of getting lost |
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| 14:13.43 | cast | weird. just got aptitude to print a big block of red to the screen and die, but run it a second time and it works fine |
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| 14:16.10 | simonrvn | they must've fixed it (yay) |
| 14:16.25 | phaedral | howdy; I'm a bit confused about the "key expiry breacks rc1" message at the etch installer downloads page |
| 14:17.02 | phaedral | does it affect the i386 netinst under "daily built image"? |
| 14:17.28 | h3sp4wn | phaedral: no |
| 14:17.29 | stew | phaedral: no, the daily and weekly images are fine, only the rc1 installer (which is no longer available from debian) is broken |
| 14:17.34 | phaedral | thx |
| 14:17.53 | phaedral | not seeing the "broken" stuff is what confused me |
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| 14:19.31 | rfrank | I have an ATI Radeon x1600; any way to check its temperature in linux |
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| 14:24.47 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 14:24.48 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 14:24.48 | js_ | is there an imap server that has support for vpopmail in the standard repo? |
| 14:25.18 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 14:25.43 | simonrvn | that wouldn't work, technically, he typoed it |
| 14:26.23 | Suprano | wols_ compiling just finished |
| 14:26.29 | Suprano | where is that pkg now ? |
| 14:27.39 | Suprano | or what have i created now ? |
| 14:28.32 | Suprano | i did make-kpkg binary-arch |
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| 14:29.37 | akifdino | hello, is anone using a conditional access module with his debian box? |
| 14:31.43 | krazykit | !anyone use a conditional access module with his debian box? |
| 14:31.44 | dpkg | No, no one uses a conditional access module with his debian box, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:32.28 | hark | heh |
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| 14:32.59 | krazykit | akifdino: the best thing is to just ask the question and hope someone can help |
| 14:33.00 | hark | Suprano: don't see a .deb in the current directory? |
| 14:33.15 | Suprano | now, but i just found it in the parent one |
| 14:33.18 | Suprano | *no |
| 14:33.24 | Suprano | rebooting now |
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| 14:35.37 | rfrank | !qotd0 |
| 14:35.37 | dpkg | well, qotd152 is <jair_11> guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? | <jair_11> yes with gui |
| 14:35.47 | rfrank | Aww I saw that one already |
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| 14:37.13 | Marenz | grml that su cks |
| 14:37.29 | Marenz | i choosed xfs support, so why can'T it mout my root o_O |
| 14:37.46 | Marenz | fuck. |
| 14:38.08 | Marenz | all but the main option are selected as built in ^^ |
| 14:38.15 | cast | grub doesn't like xfs on the boot partition, |
| 14:38.29 | Marenz | its the root not the boot |
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| 14:38.45 | Marenz | do i need to recompile everything ? |
| 14:38.50 | Marenz | after changing the config |
| 14:39.08 | Bracki | h3sp4wn: ah all over the place... |
| 14:40.00 | hark | #grml? |
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| 14:40.00 | iveqy | how to solve this?libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration |
| 14:40.04 | iveqy | google did not give me an answear :( |
| 14:40.05 | Marenz | do i need to make clean after changing the configuration of my kernel ? |
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| 14:40.31 | asg | Marenz: if you have to ask, yes |
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| 14:41.02 | Marenz | 'if i have to ask' .. i mean its only the xfs support that lacks.. |
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| 14:41.16 | dazjorz | Hmm |
| 14:41.27 | dazjorz | By default, the Pure-ftpd package on Debian uses virtual users I see |
| 14:41.32 | dazjorz | I just want to use system users |
| 14:42.01 | asg | Marenz: it depends on how invasive enabling xfs support is? If it alters lots of core kernel bits, then not doing a promper make clean ; make depends will likely result in breakage. |
| 14:42.06 | dazjorz | when I use pure-pwconvert, it doesn't list some of the users I need, maybe because the shell is /sbin/nologin or so... how do I tell pureftpd to use my system users? |
| 14:42.21 | asg | Marenz: in general, /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 14:43.00 | asg | dazjorz: see if /usr/share/doc/pureftp*/* tells you how |
| 14:43.43 | dazjorz | Bah |
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| 14:43.53 | dazjorz | Why can't nano just ungzip .gz files -_- |
| 14:44.08 | asg | dazjorz: use zless |
| 14:44.22 | dazjorz | thanks :) |
| 14:44.30 | stew | dazjorz: create a patch for nano and file it as a wishlist bug :) |
| 14:44.36 | asg | dazjorz: or write a wrapper called znano that unzips the file to /tmp and runs nano on the temp file |
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| 14:44.46 | hark | or vim |
| 14:44.57 | positrix | Is there a console version of xmodmap? I want to remap caps lock to be another control. |
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| 14:46.15 | stew | positrix: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 14:46.47 | Alam_Debian | what the define GCC make compiling fora x86 CPU? __x86__? |
| 14:47.24 | stew | positrix: if you want qwerty, give /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/emacs2.kmap.gz a try by replacing the keymap in /etc/console/ and runing /etc/init.d/keymap.sh restart |
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| 14:53.14 | positrix | stew: thanks. It seems to be exactly what I was looking for. |
| 14:55.10 | VImtermute | later |
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| 15:04.16 | Marenz | re |
| 15:05.00 | suprano | new kernel works, but |
| 15:05.04 | Thms | is beryl in unstable ? |
| 15:05.17 | asg | Thms: check packages.debian.org |
| 15:05.18 | suprano | my truecryot module not |
| 15:05.27 | suprano | *truecrypt |
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| 15:05.35 | suprano | i can't recompile it |
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| 15:08.41 | cr3 | is there a way to install a package into a different root directory? |
| 15:10.55 | h3sp4wn | dpkg --root |
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| 15:12.58 | cr3 | h3sp4wn: thanks, I had looked at the manpage but didn't see it. now I see I can also change instdir or admindir, cool! |
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| 15:15.16 | frankr | suprano, I've had a lot of trouble compiling that module too - the script to compile it isn't very well written at all |
| 15:15.21 | StAfZe6 | Hi |
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| 15:16.35 | frankr | suprano, try the instructions here > http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/506 |
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| 15:17.45 | suprano | frank, i just tried that, but it complians that i don'T have the kernel sources |
| 15:17.54 | suprano | (i just compiled my kernel) |
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| 15:19.00 | frankr | suprano, do you have the symlink /usr/linux to your source dir? |
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| 15:19.53 | suprano | i got the simlink /usr/src/linux |
| 15:20.02 | suprano | not /usr/linux |
| 15:20.36 | frankr | yeah |
| 15:20.38 | frankr | thats what I meant haha |
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| 15:22.15 | kyaneos | how can i downgrade my debian system to minus version?? |
| 15:22.42 | frankr | kyaneos, what is a minus version? Do you mean from sid>etch or sid>sarge? |
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| 15:24.05 | frankr | suprano, follow the instructions at that link I gave you - it uses something else to compile the truecrypt module rather then the shell script they include in the source tarball |
| 15:24.49 | frankr | h3sp4wn, you were helping me the other day when I was having problems w/ apic - I'm still using noapic, but I'm recompiling kernel now - what do I do to make apic work? |
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| 15:26.08 | suprano | frank, as i said, the stuff in the link can't find the sources |
| 15:26.19 | suprano | the normal scrpt find it ^^ |
| 15:26.55 | kyaneos | frankr: sid to sarge? |
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| 15:27.06 | kyaneos | frankr: sorry, yes, sid to sarge |
| 15:27.17 | suprano | frankr just found this http://kanotix.com/module-pnWikka-history-tag-TruecryptMounter.html |
| 15:27.22 | itchi | kyaneos: Reinstall |
| 15:27.28 | itchi | oeps |
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| 15:27.37 | kyaneos | itchi: why? |
| 15:27.49 | itchi | oh, i was talking to the right nick |
| 15:27.50 | frankr | kyaneos, it isn't possible - well, I guess it is, just extremely hard |
| 15:28.04 | frankr | kyaneos, as far as I know |
| 15:28.14 | kyaneos | ok |
| 15:28.22 | itchi | kyaneos: Because Sid have some stuff, once instaled you can nog go back to another version. The glibc differ i think |
| 15:28.23 | kyaneos | thank you very much frankr itchi |
| 15:28.55 | h3sp4wn | frankr: what kernel version are you compiling ? |
| 15:29.24 | itchi | kyaneos: The essential tools like gcc, glibc differ. But i know to less about Sid. Like i not yet make use of it |
| 15:29.54 | itchi | kyaneos: Consider to use 'sid' if you're a C programmer |
| 15:30.50 | kyaneos | itchi: i like sid, but i think kmldonkey is breaking my system |
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| 15:31.10 | itchi | kyaneos: You know, sid is not supported here :-s |
| 15:31.23 | kyaneos | ok |
| 15:31.27 | kyaneos | thanks :) |
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| 15:32.13 | itchi | kyaneos: Sid is for those who realy realy realy know what these are doing; mostly programmers or those who have a realy good programming basic |
| 15:32.38 | aadil | or for those who want bleeding software |
| 15:32.51 | itchi | aadil: No |
| 15:32.53 | frankr | < :D |
| 15:33.16 | itchi | aadil: 'For those who like to break his toys!' |
| 15:33.23 | frankr | haha |
| 15:33.39 | aadil | u mean for not the faint of heart |
| 15:33.41 | aadil | :p |
| 15:33.51 | itchi | aadil: u? |
| 15:33.58 | nivanson | !u |
| 15:33.58 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 15:34.11 | aadil | itchi, me what? |
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| 15:34.29 | itchi | aadil: See what dpkg told ;-) |
| 15:34.42 | aadil | ah oki |
| 15:34.53 | aadil | u it is then |
| 15:34.56 | aadil | :p |
| 15:35.19 | itchi | aadil: Nah, i'm dutch, but it's not allowed when us 'try' to 'speak' english |
| 15:35.50 | itchi | oh yeah, it's sunday :-s |
| 15:35.54 | aadil | not goed then |
| 15:35.56 | aadil | :) |
| 15:36.00 | itchi | Niet goed dan |
| 15:36.08 | itchi | :-p |
| 15:36.37 | frankr | h3sp4wn, the latest. 2.6.20.3 |
| 15:37.13 | dazjorz | !u Jim |
| 15:37.13 | dpkg | [jim] jim |
| 15:37.18 | dazjorz | !u jimmie |
| 15:37.22 | dazjorz | !u |
| 15:37.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:37.26 | dazjorz | :) |
| 15:37.34 | dazjorz | s/Jim/whoever/; |
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| 15:37.57 | itchi | Joe, or the lovely foo, bar, baz, buu, xuu :-p |
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| 15:38.08 | h3sp4wn | frankr: x86_64 or i386 ? |
| 15:38.16 | itchi | earthian: hello |
| 15:38.16 | frankr | h3sp4wn, x86_64 |
| 15:38.28 | earthian | hello. ... |
| 15:38.31 | frankr | I think dpkg spamblocked me because I kept asking it for quotes |
| 15:38.48 | dazjorz | !quote |
| 15:38.54 | frankr | its !qotd0 |
| 15:38.55 | dazjorz | ah. |
| 15:38.56 | frankr | !qotd0 |
| 15:38.57 | dpkg | <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
| 15:39.00 | frankr | woot |
| 15:39.07 | dazjorz | !qotd0 |
| 15:39.07 | dpkg | <hotdog> how do i join the debian channel? |
| 15:39.12 | frankr | hahah |
| 15:39.13 | frankr | thatsa good one |
| 15:39.20 | frankr | !qotd0 |
| 15:39.20 | dpkg | <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd |
| 15:39.21 | dazjorz | lol :D |
| 15:39.30 | dazjorz | lol |
| 15:39.31 | dazjorz | :D |
| 15:39.34 | frankr | hahah |
| 15:39.43 | earthian | rofl |
| 15:39.45 | earthian | :D |
| 15:39.49 | h3sp4wn | frankr: You can either - remove the nvidia definiton from ./arch/x86_64/kernel/early-quirks.c (or if the acpi_use_timer_override part is there you can use that instead of noapic) |
| 15:39.51 | krazykit | !bot abuse |
| 15:39.59 | dazjorz | !qotd0 |
| 15:40.00 | dpkg | <yazid> "dumb client with the fewest moving parts" .. a phrase dangerous when overheard by strangers out of the IT office ;) |
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| 15:40.05 | dazjorz | aww it's so good :D |
| 15:40.42 | aadil | sundays are cool |
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| 15:40.52 | aadil | unless ur a workaholics |
| 15:40.57 | dazjorz | sundays are bad because they are before the monday |
| 15:41.05 | dazjorz | I wish it could be saturday forever |
| 15:41.10 | aadil | well, we have a public holiday on tuesdays |
| 15:41.14 | krazykit | sundays are bad because many school papers are due mondays |
| 15:41.17 | cast | saturday or friday night |
| 15:41.19 | aadil | tuesday* |
| 15:41.25 | frankr | h3sp4wn, well, I see if (acpi_use_timer_override) |
| 15:41.25 | frankr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.28 | itchi | !sunday |
| 15:41.28 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 15:41.33 | dazjorz | !qotd0 |
| 15:41.33 | dpkg | hmm... qotd96 is <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
| 15:41.37 | aadil | so i'll just show my face tomorrow, do some chores |
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| 15:41.45 | aadil | and then head to teh seaside on tuesday |
| 15:41.47 | aadil | yah! |
| 15:41.56 | dazjorz | !qotd0 |
| 15:41.56 | dpkg | [qotd159] <Brian_L> cd #debian-64 |
| 15:41.57 | frankr | h3sp4wn, but I'm a little confused. What am I supposed to do? |
| 15:42.02 | frankr | !qotd0 |
| 15:42.02 | xand | wtf is going on here |
| 15:42.06 | h3sp4wn | frankr: instead of passing noapic - once you have booted that kernel you can pass acpi_use_timer_override instead of noapic (you don't need to edit) |
| 15:42.07 | dazjorz | Hi xand :) |
| 15:42.10 | dazjorz | we're having a sunday |
| 15:42.11 | xand | hi |
| 15:42.13 | xand | OH DEAR |
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| 15:42.28 | itchi | xand: Fix my 'day rewind' button please! |
| 15:42.28 | h3sp4wn | frankr: prior to that being added you had to get rid of that whole section |
| 15:42.33 | krazykit | seriously, if you must abuse the bot, do it in /msg |
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| 15:42.44 | itchi | xand: arg, it's sunday man :-s |
| 15:42.44 | frankr | h3sp4wn, I see, I see - I'll note that down, thanks for your help |
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| 15:43.32 | dazjorz | heehee |
| 15:43.33 | dazjorz | [16:43] <dpkg> [qotd19] <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
| 15:43.36 | h3sp4wn | frankr: alot easier if you compile statically in - scsi disk support - libata and nvidia serial ata (and still use --initrd for make-kpkg) |
| 15:43.44 | earthian | sundays are best coz its last workday for me : |
| 15:43.47 | earthian | ( |
| 15:44.05 | h3sp4wn | frankr: otherwise you need to edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and add them there |
| 15:44.14 | itchi | !tell kulhas about root |
| 15:44.47 | solar_sea | I'm trying to compile the lastest stable freeciv, but configure says that no zlib is found. I tried apt-cache search zlib; apt-get install libzzip-dev;, but the configure cannot find zlib again. Where can I get it [as a deb] ? |
| 15:44.58 | frankr | h3sp4wn, I'm pretty sure I compiled nvidia serial ata support into the kernel |
| 15:45.11 | solar_sea | (i'm using deb 3.1_r5) |
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| 15:45.39 | krazykit | solar_sea: zlib1g-dev iirc |
| 15:45.43 | itchi | kulhas: Go off and reconnect with an unprivileged user! |
| 15:45.52 | frankr | <dpkg> <jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ? |
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| 15:46.19 | itchi | kulhas: You can not talk here while your 'root' user btw |
| 15:46.26 | ktos_pl | hello |
| 15:46.29 | solar_sea | krazykit, okey, thanks |
| 15:46.35 | ktos_pl | can anyone from you tell me |
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| 15:47.08 | ktos_pl | if will I be able to change exim group/user from "debian-exim" to other, using apt-build exim4? |
| 15:47.27 | Maerz | finallry |
| 15:47.29 | Maerz | -r |
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| 15:48.06 | itchi | insulina_: That looks better |
| 15:48.13 | insulina_ | lol |
| 15:49.18 | insulina_ | i am trying to connect my debian to internet... can anyone help me ? , i am connected to a gentoo box with a crossover cable, i have alredy set a static ip for both |
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| 15:49.52 | insulina_ | my gentoo box is connect to internet from a wireless network card , to a hotspot |
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| 15:50.33 | dazjorz | [16:50] <dpkg> [qotd92] <bobesponja> I'm running sid, not debian |
| 15:50.38 | dutchfish | Insulina, can you ping both boxes? |
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| 15:51.53 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 15:51.53 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 15:53.11 | insulina_ | dutchfish: ping debian to gentoo , seems ok |
| 15:53.22 | dutchfish | Insulina, and piggy back? |
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| 15:53.26 | insulina_ | dutchfish: ping gentoo to debian gives me this |
| 15:53.31 | insulina_ | ping 100.100.100.254 -b |
| 15:53.31 | insulina_ | PING 100.100.100.254 (100.100.100.254) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 15:53.31 | insulina_ | From 100.100.100.255 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 15:53.51 | dutchfish | Insulina, setup routing on your gentoo_box properly |
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| 15:55.25 | dutchfish | Insulina, or if you want bridging use brcrtl |
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| 15:55.34 | Maerz | which option was that again, that enables a better resolution on the virtuall consoles (alt+F1-F6) ? i had it enabled in my kernel config, but then i changed it again (the nvidia driver froced me to diable nvidiafb) |
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| 15:55.47 | Maerz | is that the option that enables better esolutions ?= |
| 15:55.54 | Maerz | i change some otherstuff too |
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| 15:57.44 | krazykit | Maerz: the framebuffer? |
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| 15:58.11 | Maerz | nvidia said i need to disable nvidia framebuffer in the kernel |
| 15:58.11 | unlink | why do some cantonese characters not display properly for me? |
| 15:58.24 | metafor | xorg complains that im missing the glx module, which package does it come with? |
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| 15:58.35 | wols_ | metafor: try vesafb then |
| 15:58.43 | krazykit | Maerz: ah, right. i patch in vesafb-ng |
| 15:58.50 | wols_ | !tell metafor about search |
| 15:58.57 | metafor | im using nvidia driver right now |
| 15:59.02 | wols_ | metafor: there are several glx libraries btw |
| 15:59.13 | Maerz | metafor nvidia-glx |
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| 15:59.18 | wols_ | !tell metafor about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:59.32 | Maerz | !tell Maerz about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:59.38 | metafor | but im not using the debian nvidia package, I download it from nvidia.com, can I still use the nvidia-glx package? |
| 15:59.53 | dutchfish | metafor, afaik not |
| 16:00.05 | wols_ | metafor: no |
| 16:00.18 | wols_ | metafor: and nvidia.com will break your X as you just witnessed |
| 16:00.19 | krazykit | metafor: i think the newest .debs are in experimental, so you could download them and build it with m-a |
| 16:00.29 | metafor | it didnt break my x |
| 16:00.34 | metafor | x works fine |
| 16:00.42 | itchi | metafor: 'not yet' |
| 16:00.48 | metafor | but when I try to run a application that needs glx, it crashes |
| 16:00.51 | wols_ | metafor: if it can't finx glx libraries it's useless. the main point for nvidia drivers is to get their glx |
| 16:00.59 | metafor | hmm |
| 16:01.05 | wols_ | it crashes -> it broke your X. |
| 16:01.32 | unlink | most chinese and japanese characters, traditional and simplified display fine. |
| 16:01.41 | unlink | the problem is that some cantonese characters don't display |
| 16:01.50 | insulina_ | dutchfish: i dont know how to configure network proparly , i have defined static ip and netmask ... |
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| 16:02.00 | nivanson | unlink: not at all? emty space? |
| 16:02.02 | dutchfish | wols_, btw what nvdia card wold you recommend me if i need one for 22 inch widescreen lcd? |
| 16:02.05 | unlink | nivanson: right |
| 16:02.19 | unlink | 0x7c85 for example |
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| 16:02.34 | dutchfish | insulina_, man route |
| 16:02.51 | wols_ | dutchfish: either a gf8800 or if that's too pricy right now, a mainstream DX10 card which is supposed to come out mid april |
| 16:02.51 | itchi | dutchfish: None. Take a Intel one, or another on where's the docs/specs/drivers are publicly |
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| 16:03.14 | h3sp4wn | insulina_: man 5 interfaces will probably be more helpful |
| 16:03.20 | dutchfish | itchi, i have intel it suxxx big time |
| 16:03.32 | cast | would would you recommend a DX10 card when only vista has dx10? %| |
| 16:03.34 | wols_ | itchi: someone who asks about a nvidia card wants 3D. and with intel that is not doable realistically |
| 16:03.34 | dutchfish | wols_, thx |
| 16:03.36 | itchi | dutchfish: nah, the driver is maybe not yet the top right now |
| 16:03.46 | dutchfish | itchi, i915 |
| 16:03.52 | unlink | nivanson: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/7c85/index.htm |
| 16:04.02 | Maerz | i enabled that logo at startup, and it was there the boots before, but then i recompiled it again and disabled that nvidiafb thing and now that logo is gone :(( |
| 16:04.16 | wols_ | cast: cause the cards are faster in DX9 too and future upgradeability. sooner or later a WINE version will do DX10 too |
| 16:04.20 | itchi | dutchfish: Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 16:04.27 | wols_ | and the DX10 features can be used in opengl as well. one day I hope |
| 16:04.27 | nivanson | unlink: do you have fonts for them at all? |
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| 16:04.47 | dutchfish | itchi, 92445 i have |
| 16:04.50 | itchi | dutchfish: But yeah, in 'Debian' i not yet runs so very well as on a MS box :-s |
| 16:04.50 | unlink | nivanson: installed for what? |
| 16:05.10 | itchi | dutchfish: But on a diabolic box, this gfx card is realy amazing |
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| 16:05.29 | unlink | nivanson: http://zh.wikipedia.org/ displays completely fine |
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| 16:06.11 | dutchfish | itchi, also tried diferent ati models but not that much luck |
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| 16:06.40 | dutchfish | itchi, my old gtk2 is running perfectly however on an older machine |
| 16:06.43 | cast | night! |
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| 16:06.55 | nivanson | unlink: sounds to me as if your font used just doesn't support the fonts you need to show. |
| 16:06.56 | itchi | dutchfish: My 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AQ [Radeon 9600] works realy amazing. on Linux and MS |
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| 16:07.11 | itchi | dutchfish: But it's a old card these times |
| 16:07.36 | unlink | nivanson: 0x7cb5 as well |
| 16:07.41 | dutchfish | itchi, if only ATI would make gnu drivers ;) |
| 16:08.09 | nivanson | unlink: try some other fonts that are known to support the unicode chars you need. |
| 16:08.31 | unlink | nivanson: what do you mean try? |
| 16:09.17 | nivanson | unlink: what app do you want to display the fonts with? |
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| 16:09.25 | unlink | nivanson: iceweasel |
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| 16:11.15 | earthian | !qotd87 |
| 16:11.15 | dpkg | qotd87 is probably <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
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| 16:11.23 | earthian | :D |
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| 16:12.28 | BlueShield | My router changed the internal ip on my machine, how would i use ifconfig to rehash the new IP ? |
| 16:12.40 | wols_ | rehash? |
| 16:12.57 | BlueShield | Yeah |
| 16:13.03 | BlueShield | rehash, reset, whatever |
| 16:13.19 | dutchfish | BlueShield, prolly you need ifup or ifdown? |
| 16:13.24 | BlueShield | ifup |
| 16:13.44 | dutchfish | BlueShield, ifup eth0? |
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| 16:14.15 | Inexistence | hello. can somebody help me out wtih a server? |
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| 16:14.34 | wols_ | !tell Inexistence about ask |
| 16:14.35 | dutchfish | Inexistence, dont ask help just ask your q |
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| 16:14.48 | jetscreamer | ifdown ifup |
| 16:15.21 | wols_ | BackwardsDown: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:15.22 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, or ifupdown |
| 16:15.26 | Inexistence | im trying to run deb. linux as a server, and something isnt running correctly so when people go to www.infinitemultiplicity.com (site with the problem) then are asked if they want to open the php file instead of viewing it |
| 16:15.30 | dutchfish | wols_, yes |
| 16:15.41 | Inexistence | how do i fix that ^ ? |
| 16:15.48 | jetscreamer | mimetype? |
| 16:15.53 | wols_ | Inexistence: where did you get your php module from? |
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| 16:16.06 | wols_ | jetscreamer: or a crappy browsercache |
| 16:16.09 | BlueShield | dutchfish - ifup -a doesnt work |
| 16:16.12 | dutchfish | Inexistence, install php and related modules for apache(2) correctly |
| 16:16.14 | BlueShield | i get a error |
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| 16:16.24 | Inexistence | im not sure. im helping the site owner out, and have no knowledge of previous installations and such |
| 16:17.04 | abrotman | Inexistence: dpkg -l *php* |
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| 16:17.13 | Inexistence | im using win scp to use their server |
| 16:17.26 | wols_ | Inexistence: scp? you need to use putty |
| 16:17.30 | Inexistence | the thing is, the site was running fine, then they restarted it and it doesnt work correctly anymore |
| 16:17.45 | Inexistence | so i don't want to risk file loss |
| 16:18.02 | dutchfish | BlueShield, /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 16:18.12 | wols_ | Inexistence: use putty and do what abrotman told you |
| 16:18.19 | Inexistence | ok |
| 16:18.24 | Inexistence | how / where do i get it? |
| 16:18.30 | wols_ | google for it |
| 16:18.37 | BlueShield | Nevermind, i got it |
| 16:18.40 | Thms | !paste |
| 16:18.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 16:18.40 | wols_ | impossible to miss |
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| 16:19.31 | Inexistence | once i have putty, what do i do? |
| 16:20.07 | jelly-home | make a giraffe! |
| 16:20.10 | wols_ | you connect the same way as with winscp |
| 16:22.02 | Inexistence | ok |
| 16:22.04 | Inexistence | im connected |
| 16:22.16 | Inexistence | so what commands do i run to fix php and apache |
| 16:22.19 | Inexistence | without file loss |
| 16:22.27 | wols_ | !tell Inexistence about grounding |
| 16:22.51 | wols_ | Inexistence: simply put, you're not (yet) qualitfied to adminstrate a server |
| 16:23.07 | Inexistence | oh believe me, i know |
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| 16:23.12 | Inexistence | its not my site / server |
| 16:23.28 | Inexistence | just trying to help out... |
| 16:23.45 | Inexistence | you dont think you could guide me through the process? |
| 16:23.51 | dutchfish | Inexistence, what kind of server debian? version? plesk or other glue? |
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| 16:25.00 | Inexistence | all i know is that the server is debian linux |
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| 16:25.15 | Inexistence | if theres a command that will tell me versions and what not i would love to know.. |
| 16:25.24 | dutchfish | Inexistence, what does uname -a tells you? |
| 16:25.29 | jetscreamer | cat /etc/debian_version maybe |
| 16:25.29 | Inexistence | i understand its frustrating dealing with a newb like me |
| 16:25.51 | Inexistence | Linux novosibirsk-1337 2.4.27-3-386 #1 Wed Dec 6 00:38:33 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:25.55 | abrotman | Inexistence: dpkg -l *php* |
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| 16:27.07 | Inexistence | no packages found |
| 16:27.10 | xand | how can you help if you know nothing about it? |
| 16:27.27 | dutchfish | Inexistence, dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 16:27.30 | Inexistence | well i know more than the site owner... |
| 16:27.59 | dutchfish | Inexistence, is there a mod with php? |
| 16:28.13 | nivanson | Inexistence: you should go buy some dedicated hosting or rtm imho :) |
| 16:28.31 | Inexistence | ii apache2-common 2.0.54-5sarge1 next generation, scalable, extendable web se |
| 16:28.31 | Inexistence | ii apache2-mpm-pr 2.0.54-5sarge1 traditional model for Apache2 |
| 16:28.31 | Inexistence | ii apache2-utils 2.0.54-5sarge1 utility programs for webservers |
| 16:28.31 | Inexistence | ii libapache2-mod 5.2.1-0.dotdeb server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag |
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| 16:29.00 | wols_ | sounds like there is no php at all. either some id10t installed php from source or simply there is no php |
| 16:29.15 | Inexistence | did somebody just boot me? or did i gett kicked for pasting too much...either way |
| 16:29.36 | dutchfish | wols_, could also be a tainted kernel also |
| 16:30.05 | Inexistence | what would the dpkg do? |
| 16:30.06 | wols_ | dutchfish: what has taintedness to do with it? and it looks like a bog standard sarge kernel to me |
| 16:30.14 | jetscreamer | !tell Inexistence -about paste |
| 16:30.20 | wols_ | the installer kernel even, which the -i387 sows |
| 16:30.54 | wols_ | ouch. someone installed dor.deb php it seems |
| 16:30.59 | wols_ | that explains a lot |
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| 16:31.17 | Inexistence | are you talking about my prob? |
| 16:31.25 | wols_ | Inexistence: yes |
| 16:31.46 | Inexistence | ok, so how do you recommend this gets resolved? |
| 16:31.54 | wols_ | !dotdeb |
| 16:31.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 16:31.59 | yang | what is the command to display the use of the graphical card? |
| 16:32.02 | abrotman | kill the admin is a good start :) |
| 16:32.06 | wols_ | uninstall those crappy php packages from them and use backports.org |
| 16:32.07 | abrotman | yang: glxgears ? |
| 16:32.16 | abrotman | xdpyinfo ? |
| 16:32.19 | dutchfish | Inexistence, dont touch this yourself consult someonw with enough knowledge |
| 16:32.25 | petemc | Inexistence: there are many, many guides ti setting php with apache on debian - why would you not read them? |
| 16:32.38 | Inexistence | i didnt set anything up |
| 16:32.39 | wols_ | petemc: cause he lacks the basics to understand them |
| 16:32.50 | wols_ | all he can do is enter exactly what we tell him, which isn't much |
| 16:32.51 | dutchfish | wols_, yup |
| 16:32.53 | yang | abrotman: so i need a package mesa-utils - Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities |
| 16:32.58 | petemc | he seems to be able to write, therefore its reasonable to assume he can read |
| 16:32.58 | wols_ | basically, to fix his problem, you have to do it for him |
| 16:33.09 | Inexistence | lol...yeah pretty much |
| 16:33.12 | wols_ | and I won't do hand holding for people. if they need that, they're suppoed to hire an admin |
| 16:33.13 | abrotman | yang: if glxgears is what you're after |
| 16:33.19 | jetscreamer | oh you guys just entered helpful mode, didn't you |
| 16:33.29 | dutchfish | wols_, so through |
| 16:33.33 | simonrvn | more like !helpful |
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| 16:33.43 | wols_ | jetscreamer: you're free to do it for him if you want to |
| 16:34.14 | dutchfish | !silent |
| 16:34.33 | Inexistence | i understand you guys...im also understand u get angry when people like me come in here...but im really new to all this, and was just trying to do some quick help, but its out of my knowledge |
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| 16:34.42 | jetscreamer | wols_: i've never done apache... ;not only do i use a webhost, i AM a web host :) |
| 16:34.43 | Inexistence | thanks for tryin anyways...muchly appreciated |
| 16:34.43 | gc | hi, what's a good shop in NY in terms of hardware prices? |
| 16:34.54 | abrotman | Inexistence: why did the admin need php5 ? |
| 16:34.57 | jetscreamer | isn't newegg in ny? |
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| 16:35.07 | abrotman | gc: the one on every other corner ? |
| 16:35.14 | Inexistence | neweggs in jersey... |
| 16:35.22 | wols_ | Inexistence: we're not angry |
| 16:35.27 | jetscreamer | nj, ny... close enough |
| 16:35.37 | jetscreamer | it's not like they're BIG states |
| 16:35.38 | simonrvn | same shit, different pile :P |
| 16:35.39 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 16:35.42 | Inexistence | well nj ppl like me have to pay the sucky tax, ny ppl dont |
| 16:35.46 | militant | is there some control panel these days, or shall i control my services (ssh, apache, etc) the oldfashioned way via system startup scripts? |
| 16:35.47 | dutchfish | Inexistence, just trying to practise some main sence |
| 16:35.47 | wols_ | abrotman: cause it's new, cool and all. not to mention that php4 sucks even more than php5 |
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| 16:36.03 | wols_ | !tell militant about update-rc.d |
| 16:36.10 | wols_ | and there are only the startup scripts, yes |
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| 16:36.29 | militant | cool then |
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| 16:36.30 | militant | :) |
| 16:36.34 | h3sp4wn | militant: You could use file-rc if you wanted |
| 16:36.42 | simonrvn | nah, i'm sure there's good points to both areas |
| 16:36.47 | dutchfish | not to forget that there are a myriad of ways to setup apache & php depending on what is needed |
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| 16:37.09 | Inexistence | php5..i dont knwo, i dont think the admins really know whats going on with their site |
| 16:37.23 | wols_ | Inexistence: who installed that crap? |
| 16:37.24 | petemc | hmm, seems greycat has been dugg |
| 16:37.26 | robin_sz | actually, there is one correct way to set up PHP |
| 16:37.36 | wols_ | robin_sz: apt-get remove --purge ? |
| 16:37.38 | Inexistence | whoever setup the dedicated over in romaina |
| 16:37.41 | robin_sz | wols_, spot on |
| 16:37.59 | wols_ | Inexistence: whoever did it was an id10t(tm) |
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| 16:38.06 | Inexistence | haha...no it wasnt me |
| 16:38.22 | wols_ | Inexistence: the short way to fix it is to remove the dotdeb apckages and ireplace them with backports.org ones |
| 16:38.22 | potolo | I'm using Debian etch. I find that sometimes things don't work in quite the way I expect them to. I for one would like to know what the people in charge of Debian are going to do about it. |
| 16:38.33 | insulina_ | dutchfish: ok , ping is working on both , i have choose a bad ip for my gentoo .255 :( , ... now how can i had net to my debian ?? |
| 16:38.48 | Inexistence | ok..well im going to go now, thanks anyways guys |
| 16:38.49 | wols_ | potolo: look at bugs.debian.org and be happy |
| 16:38.51 | abrotman | potolo: for starters .. you'd have to be less vague |
| 16:38.53 | robin_sz | potolo, I'll do you a deal ... |
| 16:39.02 | abrotman | i'll deal you a do! |
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| 16:39.10 | dutchfish | insulina_, all you have to do is config resolv.conf on your debian box and config route on your gentoo_box |
| 16:39.24 | robin_sz | potolo, if you can define for me "the people in charge of Debian" .. I'll have a word with them on your behalf |
| 16:39.25 | xand | !aol |
| 16:39.26 | dpkg | from memory, aol is for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 16:39.31 | jetscreamer | potolo: probably nothing, unless you file a bug and stuff |
| 16:39.31 | potolo | abrotman: I expect them to know what's wrong, without me having to tell them. |
| 16:39.42 | jetscreamer | potolo: how... telepathy? |
| 16:39.44 | xand | potolo: are you raf256 in disguise? |
| 16:39.44 | abrotman | potolo: that's totally useless |
| 16:39.54 | dutchfish | insulina_, resolve.conf for your dns servers (dns resulution) |
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| 16:39.57 | potolo | xand: The September that never ended, in fact ended long ago, dear. |
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| 16:40.03 | Jens6 | Hey, i kinda have a problem, when i do xstart i get a rbg screen, also when i do startkde and /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 16:40.19 | abrotman | potolo: do you have an actual question or problem? |
| 16:40.22 | jetscreamer | what do you mean by rbg |
| 16:40.25 | potolo | abrotman: It is. Actually |
| 16:40.28 | jetscreamer | rgb |
| 16:40.38 | Jens6 | series of lines in red bleu and red |
| 16:40.43 | Jens6 | red bleu and green |
| 16:40.43 | abrotman | potolo: do you have an actual question or problem? |
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| 16:41.09 | abrotman | or more importantly .. a specific question or problem |
| 16:41.34 | potolo | abrotman: It was cribbed from a Derek & Clive sketch (Peter Cooke & Dudlet Moore). No, I don't have an actual problem. But I may well be able to help others out who have difficulties with their setup. Now that my impetuous humour has been exercised for the next week or so. |
| 16:41.52 | abrotman | potolo: you're a tard .. go back to the aol chatrooms |
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| 16:42.12 | potolo | abrotman: bit pompous |
| 16:42.43 | yang | abrotman: there is no manual for this "glxgears" and the thing just starts and displays 3 circles turning in the window and uses 100% cpu |
| 16:42.50 | robin_sz | abrotman, would you like to borrow an electric cattleprod? its fully charged and ready for use ... |
| 16:42.57 | militant | and i'm guessing there *isn't* a services management frontend? either gui or ncurses-based or something? |
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| 16:43.05 | abrotman | !tell yang about glxgears |
| 16:43.13 | abrotman | militant: rcconf maybe |
| 16:43.14 | robin_sz | militant, its just a test routine ... |
| 16:43.21 | petemc | !services |
| 16:43.21 | dpkg | [services] to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 16:43.31 | dutchfish | militant, yes there is |
| 16:44.02 | militant | sweet. |
| 16:44.02 | yang | abrotman: so this glxgears will run for lets say 5 minutes, and after that it displays the info on graphical usage? |
| 16:44.10 | abrotman | no |
| 16:44.42 | militant | neat |
| 16:45.15 | robin_sz | yang, it measures how fast it can crank out the frames, faster machines crank out more frames per second |
| 16:45.23 | militant | i can turn off lpd, nfs-common, ppp, all safely i would assume. |
| 16:45.32 | militant | wtf is some of that crap running for anyway?! |
| 16:45.32 | militant | heh |
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| 16:45.36 | Reiser_x | hi |
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| 16:46.03 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 16:46.32 | wols_ | militant: how do you connect to the interweb? |
| 16:46.32 | Reiser_x | how can i kill a process, my CD-ROM is not responding, when i try to eject, it says Can eject |
| 16:46.39 | abrotman | kill |
| 16:46.40 | wols_ | militant: portmapper too |
| 16:46.52 | wols_ | btw: nfs-common you installed on your own I think. just as lpd. |
| 16:46.57 | karmatronic | i just found out g2p |
| 16:47.00 | karmatronic | amazing |
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| 16:47.05 | wols_ | Reiser_x: man kill |
| 16:47.16 | dutchfish | Reiser_x, kill [pid_number] |
| 16:47.16 | militant | wols_ ethernet. i don't need ppp. there's no portmapper in rcconf's list btw |
| 16:47.17 | Reiser_x | abrotman: i know kill, but how can i kill the process that no let me eject |
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| 16:47.26 | abrotman | Reiser_x: fuser or lsof |
| 16:47.26 | peppo | apt find mozilla-config.h |
| 16:47.31 | militant | and i don't recall specifically choosing ppp or lpd, i dno't print or use dialup |
| 16:47.49 | wols_ | militant: did you use tasksel to install stuff |
| 16:47.51 | abrotman | !tell peppo about apt-file |
| 16:47.53 | militant | nope |
| 16:47.58 | militant | never heard of tasksel HEH |
| 16:48.21 | wols_ | militant: at the end of the install it pops up and seks you if you want to install a desktop enviromnent etc |
| 16:48.24 | itchi | militant: Probably yes, like it's started on the end of a install |
| 16:48.28 | wols_ | or ewbserver, or dns servre, etc |
| 16:48.34 | potolo | ugh. I did not just upload a private key to sourceforge. bleh. concentrate! : / |
| 16:48.37 | jetscreamer | tasksel is that menu in the installer towards the end, where you choose 'desktop' 'server' devbox eta l |
| 16:48.43 | peppo | wuhuup. apt-file search mozilla-config.h gets no matches :/ |
| 16:48.44 | militant | yeah, i told it desktop, webserver, and nothing else. |
| 16:48.53 | wols_ | !tell peppo about search |
| 16:48.55 | itchi | peppo: Update the stuff first |
| 16:49.00 | jetscreamer | tasksel sucks btw |
| 16:49.05 | militant | yeah |
| 16:49.06 | jetscreamer | do fix-unmet |
| 16:49.08 | militant | it apparently fails :) |
| 16:49.09 | itchi | peppo: the apt-file database |
| 16:49.20 | jetscreamer | apt-0file update peppo |
| 16:49.24 | jetscreamer | err apt-file |
| 16:49.36 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 16:49.36 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until it exits.. |
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| 16:50.26 | Reiser_x | when i go to console using F1, there is a message "Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 6473"" |
| 16:50.34 | kuru- | I'm having a hard time configuring gnats on sarge |
| 16:50.39 | kuru- | gnats 4.1 gnatsweb 4.0 |
| 16:50.44 | kuru- | gnatsweb is all fine |
| 16:50.45 | shingouz | Reiser_x: begins to sound like a bad d |
| 16:50.49 | shingouz | hd even |
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| 16:50.51 | Reiser_x | yeah |
| 16:50.53 | kuru- | the problem is with gnatsd and piping emails through postfix |
| 16:51.01 | itchi | Reiser_x: Is that a cdrom or dvd ? |
| 16:51.10 | kuru- | it keeps saying that queue-pr -q exited with status code 2 |
| 16:51.11 | militant | ok |
| 16:51.12 | Reiser_x | dvd |
| 16:51.19 | itchi | Reiser_x: A sad dvd in? |
| 16:51.23 | kuru- | and I don't understand what the problem is.. nothing else in the logs seems to point to anything else |
| 16:51.24 | militant | this box is officially finished. time ot button it up, stick it under the desk. |
| 16:51.28 | shingouz | Reiser_x: for the hell of it, clean the lens |
| 16:51.31 | itchi | Reiser_x: At least, you have some troubles with it |
| 16:51.33 | Reiser_x | actually i burned a cd |
| 16:51.45 | itchi | Reiser_x: try again :-s |
| 16:51.46 | kuru- | can anyone please help? I've been at this for the past 5 hours now (well, discount a 1 hour drive back from work) :) |
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| 16:51.50 | Reiser_x | i think this dc have some problem |
| 16:52.23 | Reiser_x | but, how can i eject the cd without restart my pc? |
| 16:52.27 | abrotman | kuru-: do normal emails work ? |
| 16:52.37 | wols_ | Reiser_x: which program is using the cd right now? |
| 16:52.45 | kuru- | abrotman: I don't receive emails on that box.. I only send, and they send fine |
| 16:53.02 | Reiser_x | nautilus, because i try to open the cd content |
| 16:53.03 | kuru- | abrotman: let me run a quick test on that |
| 16:53.19 | wols_ | Reiser_x: then stop nautilus? |
| 16:53.55 | kuru- | abrotman: yes, they do |
| 16:54.20 | abrotman | kuru-: are those the debian gnats packages ? |
| 16:54.26 | kuru- | abrotman: yup |
| 16:54.38 | peppo | has anyone tried building swfdec-mozilla? I get a mozilla-config.h file missing even though iceape-dev and libxul-dev are both installed. |
| 16:54.40 | Reiser_x | ready, but the firs time i killed all nautilus instances, it no work |
| 16:54.48 | kuru- | abrotman: this is a production server, so I don't mess with anything that is outside of debian unless absolutely necessary and easy to maintain |
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| 16:55.26 | freetos | is rc2 out today? |
| 16:55.41 | wols_ | peppo: I told you about search already. but since it's sunday and therefore you unable to read it: |
| 16:55.44 | wols_ | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=+mozilla-config.h+&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 16:55.45 | shingouz | Reiser_x: what does lsof say? |
| 16:55.57 | petemc | freetos: rc2? |
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| 16:56.25 | qudama | anyone know, how can I install tar.gz file in a distro based on debian? |
| 16:56.27 | abrotman | kuru-: find anyhting in the BTS ? |
| 16:56.36 | abrotman | !tell qudama about checkinstall |
| 16:56.39 | militant | so, my guess is exim4 is needed, for local delivery of mails generated in response to errors, security concerns, things like that? |
| 16:56.39 | abrotman | !tell qudama about stow |
| 16:56.41 | abrotman | !tell qudama about mg |
| 16:56.43 | wols_ | peppo: my guess is you need to compile iceweasel yourself (from debian sources) good luck |
| 16:56.49 | kuru- | abrotman: but this does look a bit suspicious: |
| 16:56.49 | kuru- | Mar 18 20:59:36 ornery postfix/qmgr[24414]: 58AFD5805552: from=<>, size=3790, nrcpt=1 (queue active) |
| 16:57.01 | abrotman | ornery? |
| 16:57.06 | petemc | militant: correct |
| 16:57.09 | kuru- | abrotman: that's just the server name |
| 16:57.09 | shingouz | ordinary |
| 16:57.10 | wols_ | militant: no. just a MTA/MDA is needed. exim4 is default but there are other choices |
| 16:57.13 | abrotman | kuru-: i know that :) |
| 16:57.21 | abrotman | kuru-: why is there no 'from' ? |
| 16:57.24 | militant | well yeah. i know exim isn't the only choice :) |
| 16:57.34 | kuru- | abrotman: well, I'm guessing that's part of the problem |
| 16:57.38 | wols_ | !pity militant |
| 16:57.38 | dpkg | I pity da fool militant! |
| 16:57.40 | freetos | petemc, yes rc2 |
| 16:57.41 | militant | lol |
| 16:57.45 | militant | i LIKE qmail |
| 16:57.48 | militant | or did, back on slack 7.1 |
| 16:57.49 | Reiser_x | shingouz: i solve the problem |
| 16:57.50 | petemc | freetos: i wasnt aware debian did release candidates |
| 16:57.51 | Reiser_x | thans |
| 16:57.51 | kuru- | abrotman: to be honest, I haven't checked BTS |
| 16:57.57 | abrotman | militant: don't feel bad .. qmail hasn't changed |
| 16:57.58 | wols_ | militant: and that's why you're a fool :P |
| 16:58.18 | shingouz | Reiser_x: out of curiosity: how? |
| 16:58.20 | militant | hah |
| 16:58.30 | potolo | why might a host (e.g. sf.net) be unable to use an OpenSSH-2 private key file, connecting various through putty, plink, etc. the public key is uploaded to said host already. |
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| 16:58.41 | militant | so what's the preferred one now? is there an MTA that actually has a sane config file and a smooth setup? |
| 16:58.57 | abrotman | exim or postfix |
| 16:59.00 | militant | ok |
| 16:59.03 | petemc | militant: for basic configs, exim is easily configured with debconf |
| 16:59.09 | militant | alright |
| 16:59.10 | militant | cool. |
| 16:59.10 | petemc | i assume postfix is too.. |
| 16:59.22 | xingu | well, thats twice in a fortnight I've been quietly impressed with relatively new toys in debian |
| 16:59.28 | militant | wtf is dirmgr btw |
| 16:59.34 | Reiser_x | shingouz: well, i killed nautilus |
| 16:59.39 | shingouz | :) |
| 16:59.48 | wols_ | militant: in what context? |
| 16:59.52 | Reiser_x | i am burning another cd |
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| 17:00.09 | militant | in context of my system startup? what rcconf shows, as well as dmesg |
| 17:00.16 | kuru- | abrotman: but I find it hard to believe that such a deal-breaker would be in sarge |
| 17:00.41 | kuru- | abrotman: a quick search through BTS reveals no issues. |
| 17:00.47 | xingu | multipath-tools does right what it said on the tin; added dual fcal controllers (supported out of box in etch kernel), installed multpath-utils - proceed straight to cable yanking. |
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| 17:01.06 | abrotman | kuru-: what's the full error ? |
| 17:01.43 | xingu | and now, the debian beryl-project packages - install, use. :) |
| 17:01.51 | carterparks | what is the simplest possible pop server i can use for serving up Maildirs? i just need to get my mail from a Maildir to gmail and then i'm going to stop using it |
| 17:01.57 | kuru- | Mar 18 19:59:10 ornery postfix/local[26423]: 2E0A75805552: to=<support@mydomain>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 2: " /usr/lib/gnats/queue-pr -q") |
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| 17:02.27 | kuru- | 'mydomain' is actually a domain name |
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| 17:03.28 | itchi | militant: Avoid to install the 'world' |
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| 17:04.59 | kuru- | abrotman: does that make any sense to you? |
| 17:05.05 | abrotman | kuru-: i've never used gnats |
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| 17:05.25 | abrotman | but you're saying "echo 'hi' | mail support@mydomain" works ? |
| 17:05.49 | abrotman | does gnats run as a certain user ? |
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| 17:05.58 | kuru- | abrotman: gnats runs from inetd |
| 17:06.06 | abrotman | so as root i gather |
| 17:06.16 | kuru- | abrotman: how can I make it run as gnats ? |
| 17:06.21 | abrotman | hopefully it has the sense to spawn non-root children |
| 17:06.23 | kuru- | abrotman: it could be a reason |
| 17:06.41 | abrotman | kuru-: is queue-pr exectuable ? |
| 17:06.49 | kuru- | abrotman: yup |
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| 17:07.03 | abrotman | can you run it yourself and see what happens ? |
| 17:07.16 | kuru- | abrotman: nothing happens |
| 17:07.26 | abrotman | and the -q option ? |
| 17:07.35 | kuru- | abrotman: that just tells it to read from stdin |
| 17:07.37 | Reiser_x | shingouz: the burn process is ok and i can access its content |
| 17:08.08 | kuru- | abrotman: when run manually, it works.. ie, if I were to feed it something manually from stdin, it take sit in |
| 17:08.16 | kuru- | abrotman: ie. that part works as designed |
| 17:08.16 | xingu | bloody hell |
| 17:08.36 | kuru- | I just don't know what it is with the piping.. and I'm pretty damn sure it's a user gid something... |
| 17:08.40 | abrotman | kuru-: i guess i'm just trying to figure out if it is gnats or postfix |
| 17:08.53 | xingu | this gives xmag a run for its money. :) |
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| 17:09.11 | kuru- | abrotman: i am fairly confident it's gnats expecting postfix to do something else for it |
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| 17:09.21 | abrotman | like send the damn mail! |
| 17:09.26 | shingouz | Reiser_x: goodie. sounds like your burner works. personally i would crack the thing open and clean the lens though but that is a bit on the hackish side |
| 17:09.37 | kuru- | abrotman: well, it's expecting certain userid's, or gid's.. or something |
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| 17:10.01 | Reiser_x | shingouz: i have burned 3 CDs |
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| 17:10.11 | abrotman | big fire! |
| 17:10.17 | shingouz | only three? :p |
| 17:10.20 | Reiser_x | so i don think i was a hardware problem, it wasa media problem |
| 17:10.27 | shingouz | probably |
| 17:10.33 | abrotman | kuru-: i can't imagine postfix really cares ... |
| 17:10.40 | shingouz | feh... need food |
| 17:10.42 | abrotman | kuru-: anything special about gnats orpostfix setup ? |
| 17:10.48 | Reiser_x | how can i create launcher in my desktop with root privileges? |
| 17:10.51 | abrotman | !cheesesteak shingouz |
| 17:10.54 | kuru- | abrotman: nope |
| 17:11.08 | abrotman | kuru-: did you read all the docs in /usr/share/doc/gnats/* ? |
| 17:12.06 | ebbs | Hi I downloaded a etch debian cd image from the official site... I burned the ISO with k3b in the normal way, but when booting with this burned CD, it says no operating system found (only if I set the CD-Device as only boot device). What is my fault? |
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| 17:12.28 | xand | everything's your fault |
| 17:12.42 | ebbs | mistake... |
| 17:12.44 | abrotman | why is xand not in #-ot ? |
| 17:12.52 | kuru- | abrotman: yessir |
| 17:12.56 | kuru- | abrotman: nothing about this |
| 17:12.59 | xand | abrotman: I left in protest |
| 17:13.09 | abrotman | there was a protest ? |
| 17:13.27 | abrotman | kuru-: i think i have a sarge qemu image somewhere .. let me try this |
| 17:13.54 | Thms | why is beryl not in debian ? |
| 17:13.57 | xand | there was for me |
| 17:14.03 | ebbs | any ideas? |
| 17:14.04 | xand | !beryl |
| 17:14.04 | dpkg | beryl is probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
| 17:14.25 | cookoo | beryl isnt in debian |
| 17:14.28 | cookoo | wow |
| 17:14.31 | xand | actually... I don't care... silly pointless eyecandy |
| 17:14.32 | abrotman | ebbs: you burnt it too fast ? |
| 17:14.38 | abrotman | xand: protest ? |
| 17:14.48 | xand | abrotman: yes, at a pointless kick-fest. |
| 17:14.55 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 17:15.15 | abrotman | okay .. i'll ask the other brits then |
| 17:15.18 | ebbs | md5sum was exact the same... |
| 17:15.31 | abrotman | ebbs: what speed did you burn at ? |
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| 17:15.59 | ebbs | abrotman, 20 with a new burner |
| 17:16.04 | JordiGH | Wtf, no manpage for gcc? |
| 17:16.10 | JordiGH | That's a bug, right? |
| 17:16.11 | abrotman | ebbs: try like .. 4x :) |
| 17:16.16 | abrotman | JordiGH: non0free |
| 17:16.33 | itchi | JordiGH: dpkg -L gccthingy |
| 17:16.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: Whatever. Policy dictates everything requires a manpage. If the manpage is nonfree, they have to come up with a different manpage. |
| 17:16.55 | abrotman | JordiGH: file a bug .. don't whine to me |
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| 17:17.42 | abrotman | kuru-: give me a bit .. qemu isn't the fastest thing in the world :) |
| 17:17.55 | JordiGH | Sorry... I'm a little annoyed. I'll file the bug. I just think this GFDL thing just has gone too far, though. |
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| 17:18.26 | kuru- | abrotman: oh take your time, I'm just happy to have someone even try to help! |
| 17:18.30 | ebbs | abrotman, k, thx for the advice... |
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| 17:19.04 | _joey_ | easiest and least painful way to install XFree and Gnome? |
| 17:19.15 | _joey_ | running core base at the moment |
| 17:19.21 | abrotman | sarge or etch ? |
| 17:19.25 | JordiGH | _joey_: aptitude install xserver-xfree86 gnome |
| 17:19.42 | wols_ | _joey_: apt-get install x-window-system gnome |
| 17:19.44 | abrotman | x-window-system you mean ? |
| 17:19.59 | _joey_ | 0 packages upgraded, 521 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 17:20.00 | _joey_ | :) |
| 17:20.06 | _joey_ | abrotman yes |
| 17:20.09 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 17:20.09 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 17:20.38 | JordiGH | You could use Gnome without installing X on the local machine... |
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| 17:20.43 | Thms | !compiz |
| 17:20.43 | dpkg | [compiz] a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 17:21.01 | xingu | abrotman: kvm is a bit snappier ;) |
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| 17:21.11 | abrotman | xingu: and it's not in the etch kernel |
| 17:21.20 | xingu | abrotman: a-i ... |
| 17:21.42 | Thms | must I install the nvidia official drivers for use compiz ? |
| 17:21.45 | abrotman | xingu: ? |
| 17:21.51 | xingu | abrotman: m-a a-i kvm |
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| 17:21.59 | abrotman | !find kvm etch |
| 17:22.01 | aronofsky | hi guys, id like to know what are the best emule alternative today, i tried amule which is quite good but are there other apps ? |
| 17:22.03 | _joey_ | :) |
| 17:22.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kvm' (6 of 13): (/usr/bin/kvm.kss) in kde/kscreensaver ;; (/usr/bin/mkvmerge) in graphics/mkvtoolnix ;; (/usr/include/kerngen/kvmi.h) in libdevel/libkernlib1-dev ;; (/usr/include/kde/kvmallocator.h) in libdevel/kdelibs4-dev ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/kvm.kss) in libdevel/kdeartwork-dbg ;; (/usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/asteriskvm.vim) in editors/vim-runtime. |
| 17:22.14 | abrotman | xingu: really i don't use it that much .. mostly for testing other distros |
| 17:22.23 | _joey_ | how's things, abrotman ? |
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| 17:22.30 | abrotman | xingu: and there's no kvm in etch |
| 17:22.31 | militant | hmmm is there a way to make my scrollwheel... act like in windws? where i can wheelclick in an empty part of a document,a nd get that 4-way scroll thingie? |
| 17:22.38 | abrotman | _joey_: snow!!! |
| 17:22.40 | xingu | abrotman: oh fair do; kvm-source in sid |
| 17:22.47 | abrotman | xingu: eh .. no :) |
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| 17:22.56 | _joey_ | abrotman duh |
| 17:22.59 | kiba-kun | how do you resume proccesses that you suspend? |
| 17:23.00 | abrotman | JordiGH: then you're going to stop whinig about it ? |
| 17:23.05 | abrotman | kiba-kun: fg |
| 17:23.09 | _joey_ | we've had one of the hottest summers in the last 5 years here |
| 17:23.16 | _joey_ | luckily, it's over now |
| 17:23.16 | wols_ | militant: must be a fucntion of your mosue software. sounds like logitech |
| 17:23.25 | abrotman | i hope we have a really really hot summer :) |
| 17:23.42 | joey_ | you don't want have it |
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| 17:23.49 | militant | nah, it' ssomething that pops up in any windows install on any clickable scrollwheel mouse i've ever used, as far as i can remember. it's not an important thing anyway, screw it :) |
| 17:23.49 | joey_ | you can trust me on this one |
| 17:24.12 | abrotman | yes .. i do |
| 17:24.15 | joey_ | when it's hot, it's hot. You start thinking about cold beer and penguins in Antarctica |
| 17:24.34 | kiba-kun | hmmm |
| 17:24.35 | kiba-kun | tux |
| 17:24.38 | abrotman | i like it hot .. i'd prefer 95F every day |
| 17:24.54 | joey_ | don't know what it is in Celcius |
| 17:24.59 | kuru- | abrotman: come to Dubai then |
| 17:25.07 | putridp | How can I see what app is curently using /dev/dsp, please? |
| 17:25.11 | joey_ | we can easliy get 42-43C for 2-3 days in a row |
| 17:25.15 | xingu | when it's hot, you start thinking about indoor rain on the tube on your daily commute :( |
| 17:25.17 | abrotman | kuru-: i can barely speak english :) |
| 17:25.22 | wols_ | putridp: lsof |
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| 17:25.35 | kuru- | abrotman: what do you speak? |
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| 17:25.54 | abrotman | kuru-: english :) |
| 17:25.55 | Red_Cloud | abrotman will you take pity upon a moron? and help me a bit? Consider it as an act of charity to an undeserving idiot. |
| 17:26.07 | kuru- | abrotman: if you speak anything other than english, you probably won't make it in Dubai ;) |
| 17:26.07 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: i work for beer! |
| 17:26.27 | Bracki | im trying to replace orinoco_Cs with hostap on my wlan card unfortunately to no avail. what do i need to do to load hostap? |
| 17:26.27 | militant | i wanna live in dubai. i speak english and arabic, and some polish too... |
| 17:26.27 | qudam1 | :-D:-D:-D |
| 17:26.29 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: did you ask a question ? |
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| 17:26.47 | Red_Cloud | abrotman I can most probably steal a few hundred cases of beer from Coors |
| 17:27.01 | JordiGH | Hm, #383713 |
| 17:27.01 | kuru- | Red_Cloud: is it normal to have to kiss ass to get help in #debian? I thought people just helped when they felt like it |
| 17:27.04 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: heh |
| 17:27.15 | qudam1 | bin laden's friend :-D:-D |
| 17:27.17 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: what's your problem ? |
| 17:27.18 | kuru- | beer.. |
| 17:27.29 | joey_ | about hot weather. It's easier to warm up than to cool down. |
| 17:27.39 | abrotman | i like it hot! |
| 17:27.41 | kuru- | joey_: are you sure about that? |
| 17:27.53 | joey_ | yep |
| 17:27.55 | kuru- | abrotman: 50C+ is no longer hot.. |
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| 17:27.59 | qudam1 | militant: bin laden's friend :-D:-D:-D |
| 17:28.02 | abrotman | that's awesome! |
| 17:28.03 | Red_Cloud | abrotman her is my problem. I have installed solaris. I gathered all of the information that I needed EXCEPT for the menu.lst info for booting into my debian linux |
| 17:28.07 | abrotman | qudam1: do you have a problem ? |
| 17:28.19 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: grub has tab complete |
| 17:28.23 | joey_ | kuru- how are you going to cool down when it's melting outside? Put your head in the fridge? |
| 17:28.27 | militant | qudam1 hehhe no, i just dated muslim girls for 2-3 years, you tend to learn arabic that way :D |
| 17:28.29 | abrotman | kuru-: how do i make it send mail ? |
| 17:28.33 | kuru- | joey_: you almost always stay indoors |
| 17:28.50 | joey_ | I can |
| 17:28.55 | Red_Cloud | abrotman I have tried tab complete and cannot determine the initrd file location or the name of the file that initrd uses. |
| 17:29.01 | kuru- | abrotman: make what send mail? |
| 17:29.04 | joey_ | I can't stay indoors for 2-3 months |
| 17:29.10 | qudam1 | militant: ok, just kiding |
| 17:29.13 | kuru- | abrotman: when you install gnats, it adds a few lines to pipe in /etc/aliases |
| 17:30.48 | xingu | joey_: I suppose you could design a space elevator as a thermal exchanger |
| 17:30.49 | kuru- | militant: you mean you dated an arab girl (arab != muslim) |
| 17:30.49 | abrotman | that it did |
| 17:30.49 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: what drive/partition is your /boot/ on ? |
| 17:30.49 | Red_Cloud | By the way, thanks for the hint of tab completion. That let me ascertain that "root (hd0,1)" correct |
| 17:30.49 | militant | kuru- no, muslim. sunni girls from saudi, egypt. and shia girls from iran and pakistan |
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| 17:30.50 | joey_ | xingu powered by embedded linux? |
| 17:30.50 | Bracki | or rather how do i get orinoco_cs to work with wpa_supplicant? |
| 17:30.50 | kuru- | militant: you dated a saudi girl? |
| 17:30.50 | militant | kuru- 2, actually, yes. |
| 17:30.51 | kuru- | militant: always wanted to.. then I got married ;) |
| 17:30.51 | militant | ohood, and wed. |
| 17:30.51 | xingu | joey_: powered by hamsters |
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| 17:31.06 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: root (hd0,1) ... kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.blahblahblah .. initrd (hd0,1)/boot/initrd.img-2.6blahblahblah |
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| 17:31.11 | militant | heh, i tend to date LOTS of immigrants... *shrug* |
| 17:31.11 | joey_ | that's not how we work |
| 17:31.14 | joey_ | :) |
| 17:31.17 | Red_Cloud | abrotman the Linux grub was on hda2. My debian linux was in hda3 ( an extended partition) and hda6 ( a logican location. |
| 17:31.30 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: you can also have grub load a grub config file |
| 17:31.31 | Langly1 | On my Alpha with debian, for xfree86 the MGA module wont work with a Matrox Millinium II MGA, what should I use, and dont suggest changing cards, cause an Alpha wont post to monitor with alot of cards |
| 17:31.35 | joey_ | besides, hamsters are prohibited in this country |
| 17:31.43 | abrotman | Langly1: vesa work ? |
| 17:32.07 | abrotman | kuru-: so i should be sending mail to gnats? |
| 17:32.11 | kuru- | joey_: when the sun is literally singling you out, you _will_ remain indoors |
| 17:32.12 | Red_Cloud | abrotman I was unaware that grub can load a config file. |
| 17:32.13 | kuru- | abrotman: yup |
| 17:32.23 | abrotman | kuru-: echo "hi" | mail gnats ? |
| 17:32.31 | kuru- | abrotman: to bugs actually |
| 17:32.36 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: it does great things! |
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| 17:33.13 | abrotman | kuru-: same thing happens here |
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| 17:33.16 | kuru- | joey_: then again it's a good excuse to be at the beach ;) |
| 17:33.18 | Red_Cloud | abrotman then I will google a bit and see what I can find. The grub that I am dealing with now is the solaris grub. |
| 17:33.19 | kuru- | abrotman: hrmm.. |
| 17:33.20 | Langly1 | just setting vga doesnt work, Ill have to mess with it later need to leave in 5m |
| 17:33.24 | kuru- | abrotman: so it's not just me |
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| 17:33.36 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: oh . maybe ask #solaris if that grub version can do it |
| 17:33.45 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: i think it's the 'r' option though |
| 17:33.55 | joey_ | kuru- oh yeah :) |
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| 17:34.02 | Red_Cloud | abrotman thanks. |
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| 17:34.23 | joey_ | make friends with tourists |
| 17:34.26 | joey_ | with girls :) |
| 17:34.38 | kuru- | joey_: plenty of those |
| 17:34.49 | kuru- | joey_: both |
| 17:35.06 | kuru- | joey_: but it's an expensive city to live in |
| 17:35.25 | joey_ | what city? |
| 17:35.28 | kuru- | joey_: Dubai |
| 17:35.36 | joey_ | Ah, that |
| 17:35.41 | xingu | a noisy city to live in |
| 17:35.42 | abrotman | kuru-: did you notice the other email you get ? |
| 17:35.50 | joey_ | Don't know. I've heard it's popular with tourists |
| 17:35.53 | kuru- | abrotman: which other emails? |
| 17:36.02 | kuru- | joey_: they do good PR |
| 17:36.10 | xingu | dubai's popular with construction contractors ;) |
| 17:36.11 | abrotman | kuru-: i got a reject email . .and then gnats-admin got another email about not being able ot make a DB |
| 17:36.16 | joey_ | I only have been to Dubai once, and it was only for 1 hour while in transit |
| 17:36.17 | kuru- | xingu: that too |
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| 17:36.39 | xingu | joey_: and you spent it on the bus between terminals? :) |
| 17:36.48 | kuru- | abrotman: oh, you need to create db |
| 17:36.56 | joey_ | Nope :) |
| 17:37.02 | abrotman | i feel i was denied need-to-know information! |
| 17:37.07 | kuru- | xingu: there is no bus between terminals |
| 17:37.13 | joey_ | We stayed in the same terminal wait for the plane to re-fuel |
| 17:37.17 | kuru- | xingu: but it's a walking marathon to get from one terminal to the next |
| 17:37.21 | joey_ | waiting |
| 17:37.37 | joey_ | kuru- Indian ocean has the greatest beaches |
| 17:37.57 | kuru- | joey_: oh, by no means are Dubai beaches 'magnificent'. |
| 17:38.01 | abrotman | kuru-: they seem to be related |
| 17:38.01 | kuru- | joey_: they're just beaches. |
| 17:38.09 | joey_ | hmm |
| 17:38.10 | kuru- | abrotman: yeah, but I did create the db |
| 17:38.19 | Bracki | lsclksjac |
| 17:39.02 | joey_ | Perth, WA which is on the coast of Indian oceans, has best beaches in the world :) |
| 17:39.05 | joey_ | imho:) |
| 17:39.17 | militant | kuru- you're saudi? |
| 17:39.23 | kuru- | militant: oh no. |
| 17:39.26 | abrotman | kuru-: right .. but i get an email that has a subject "Problem with queue-pr on host <hostname>" |
| 17:39.32 | abrotman | kuru-: right when i try to send the mail |
| 17:39.38 | kuru- | abrotman: I don't have that |
| 17:39.43 | abrotman | i do! |
| 17:39.49 | kuru- | abrotman: then again, I did spend some time configuring gnats itself |
| 17:39.58 | abrotman | i didn't! |
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| 17:40.05 | kuru- | abrotman: as much as the documentation said at least |
| 17:40.06 | militant | kuru- ahh ok. but yeah, muslim girls. i did ramadan, abstained from pork/booze/etc for 2-3 years, all of it. it was kinda interesting actually :) |
| 17:40.23 | kuru- | militant: I'm not muslim, but okay |
| 17:40.27 | militant | hah oh ok. |
| 17:41.05 | joey_ | kuru- that bad thing about the Indian Ocean is it's infested with sharks |
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| 17:41.17 | xingu | joey_: ever been to the maldives? ;) |
| 17:41.26 | joey_ | Nope:) |
| 17:41.37 | joey_ | why? |
| 17:41.45 | xingu | they're got better beaches than perth |
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| 17:42.21 | kuru- | joey_: I liked the beaches in Thailand |
| 17:43.32 | joey_ | Thaland has lovely beaches too |
| 17:43.39 | kuru- | abrotman: try and issue a pr using the command-line tools 'send-pr' |
| 17:43.49 | kuru- | joey_: thailand is awesome.. |
| 17:43.51 | militant | haven't been to the beach in forever :/ |
| 17:44.10 | militant | was supposed to go to australia this whole month but lying sluts tend to ruin plans :D |
| 17:44.20 | kuru- | joey_: though bangkok is a bit much (too aggressive in selling you anything) |
| 17:44.22 | abrotman | kuru-: did you read the FAQ directory ? |
| 17:44.28 | kuru- | abrotman: yup |
| 17:44.28 | joey_ | The West Coast of Australia has large swells; Perth, often, hosts surfing competions. It's a place the surfers in Australia regularly visit |
| 17:44.41 | kuru- | abrotman: nothing about this.. just something about sendmail and prived dir.. |
| 17:44.42 | abrotman | kuru-: so that bit about GNATS_ADDR didn't help ? |
| 17:44.55 | militant | i was gonna be east coast, gold coast actually. well, brisbane but yeah, close enough. |
| 17:44.56 | kuru- | abrotman: ah, I didn't understand that bit actually |
| 17:45.03 | kuru- | abrotman: where do I set the GANTS_ADDR ? |
| 17:45.10 | abrotman | not sure yet |
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| 17:45.34 | kuru- | militant: one of the guys working for us is from there.. never mentioned beaches though |
| 17:45.34 | Nyle | good morning babies |
| 17:45.53 | kuru- | militant: they seem to be more interesting in being in a constant state of drinking beer |
| 17:45.57 | militant | they're good beaches. not surfing conditions, but excellent for laying about, drunkenly |
| 17:45.58 | militant | haha |
| 17:45.59 | militant | yes |
| 17:46.05 | xingu | kuru-: I resemble that remark |
| 17:46.12 | Nyle | resemble? |
| 17:46.13 | militant | mandy and i were gonna lay naked and drunk for the whole month. |
| 17:46.14 | kuru- | xingu: resemble? |
| 17:46.17 | Nyle | resent? |
| 17:46.27 | xingu | resemble. I'm ex-Perth. :) |
| 17:46.31 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:46.36 | kuru- | xingu: ;) |
| 17:46.41 | xingu | it's a small, small world... |
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| 17:46.55 | Nyle | compared to the universe, yup, way too small |
| 17:46.56 | kuru- | I can't see myself going to OZ.. seems too far |
| 17:47.04 | Nyle | I have family in oz |
| 17:47.10 | militant | 22 hours to fly there for me, 41 hours back |
| 17:47.15 | Nyle | and some of my favorite bands are from there |
| 17:47.20 | Nyle | tasmania actually |
| 17:47.30 | kuru- | after trying to fly from DFW to Dubai.. I decided that long flights like that are just not worth it |
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| 17:47.36 | abrotman | kuru-: just use -d to create a DB ? |
| 17:47.40 | kuru- | if it involves crossing an ocean, forget it |
| 17:47.48 | Nyle | wimp :) |
| 17:47.50 | xingu | joey_: the nutters here go surfing in the north atlantic off cornwall |
| 17:47.53 | torrrrr | I've installed emacs and its fonts shows like squares. |
| 17:47.54 | kuru- | abrotman: -d ? for what? |
| 17:48.01 | xingu | joey_: the real nutters go diving in it. |
| 17:48.07 | kuru- | Nyle: I've done quite a bit of flying over oceans to make me quit it ;) |
| 17:48.09 | abrotman | kuru-: to create it |
| 17:48.10 | abrotman | !ot |
| 17:48.10 | dpkg | [ot] Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 17:48.11 | torrrrr | from terminal with -font fixed it is fine |
| 17:48.29 | Nyle | torrrrr specify it in .Xresources maybe |
| 17:48.40 | kuru- | abrotman: okay.. 'mkdb' creates the db |
| 17:48.50 | abrotman | ah .. go tit |
| 17:49.14 | kuru- | abrotman: but the default install normally should have created the db for you |
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| 17:49.21 | Nyle | torrrrr wait.. I don't know if it has a resource for font you can specify (that is if you're in X) |
| 17:49.21 | joey_ | what service starts Gnome at boot? |
| 17:49.28 | abrotman | kuru-: so why does it tell me i need a new one ? |
| 17:49.39 | kuru- | abrotman: try: mkdb default |
| 17:49.43 | kuru- | abrotman: as 'gnats' user |
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| 17:49.56 | joey_ | hmm |
| 17:49.58 | kuru- | abrotman: that's the name of the db by default in the confs |
| 17:50.04 | Nyle | joey_ I think you mean GDM |
| 17:50.04 | joey_ | xdm cannot start |
| 17:50.15 | abrotman | oh .. default is already there |
| 17:50.22 | kuru- | abrotman: so your db exists |
| 17:50.29 | abrotman | kuru-: so you don't get the other email ? |
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| 17:50.36 | kuru- | abrotman: gnats uses flat files for its 'db' |
| 17:50.41 | kuru- | abrotman: nope |
| 17:50.45 | Nyle | joey_ what do you want to do? |
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| 17:51.31 | joey_ | Nyle I want to get login screen after the system is booted |
| 17:51.43 | abrotman | kuru-: check your mail logs .. the email might have gone to another user |
| 17:51.46 | Nyle | joey_ remove xdm or gdm or whatever other dm you might have |
| 17:51.53 | kuru- | abrotman: it hasn't |
| 17:51.58 | Nyle | joey_ then upon boot X won't launch and you will have a console login |
| 17:51.59 | kuru- | abrotman: I see the emails sitting in /tmp |
| 17:52.16 | abrotman | kuru-: you're having the same issue i am then i think |
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| 17:52.30 | joey_ | gdm is good enough |
| 17:52.34 | abrotman | kuru-: telling me it can't put it in the queue |
| 17:52.36 | Nyle | joey_ apt-get --purge remove gdm kdm xdm |
| 17:52.37 | kuru- | -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody nogroup 1862 2007-03-18 19:59 gnatsytt33o |
| 17:52.45 | joey_ | how is X reconfigured on Debian? |
| 17:52.52 | Nyle | joey_ well if you install gdm you will not have a console login on boot |
| 17:52.58 | Nyle | !drxx |
| 17:52.58 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 17:53.19 | kuru- | abrotman: the sad part is, I configured gnats perfectly 3 or 4 years ago.. and the same setup is still running until today |
| 17:53.23 | militant | any reason to stay with sarge, or alternately, to switch to etch? |
| 17:53.28 | kuru- | abrotman: well, back when I used to do sysadmin |
| 17:53.30 | abrotman | kuru-: hehe that's not good |
| 17:53.51 | kuru- | abrotman: I'm looking at the conf on that server.. and see nothing strange or missing in mine |
| 17:53.55 | kuru- | so I'm completely baffled |
| 17:54.05 | Nyle | militant wait for etch to go officially stable and give it soem time to become a tad bit more secure. even as it stands right now, its fairly stable. |
| 17:54.08 | kuru- | militant: I like to stay conservative with production servers |
| 17:54.13 | militant | yeah |
| 17:54.25 | Nyle | kuru- yes indeed |
| 17:54.39 | militant | makes sense. that's why this box got debian and not gentoo, which goes on my other machines. this box is actually important, so no testing/unstable code pls |
| 17:54.39 | abrotman | kuru-: seems it can't create the mail spool in /var/spool/mail/ |
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| 17:54.54 | Nyle | why would anyone run gentoo on a server, is beyond me |
| 17:55.00 | abrotman | though .. i'm not sure why it needs to since it is supposed to get piped |
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| 17:55.19 | militant | Nyle my buddy is a gentoo disciple, but he won't run it on his production stuff either. so yeah. |
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| 17:56.11 | Guerin | i like to think of it like martial artists who still carry a firearm for protection |
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| 17:56.33 | Nyle | lol |
| 17:56.35 | Guerin | they spend all their time and energy being 1337, but when the chips are down they resort to something a ten year-old could use |
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| 17:56.58 | Nyle | that is a hell of an analogy if ever I heard one |
| 17:57.20 | Guerin | all my best analogies happen at 0556 when I'm running late for work |
| 17:57.26 | Nyle | lol |
| 17:57.33 | Nyle | its monday already in the east |
| 17:57.36 | Nyle | hmm |
| 17:57.52 | Guerin | but just imagine the scene from Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark |
| 17:58.02 | joey_ | the error message does not tell much, does it? http://picccs.mine.nu/~pics/output.gif |
| 17:58.15 | kuru- | abrotman: gnats configuration has always been a real bitch |
| 17:58.26 | kuru- | abrotman: and every time I try to set it up, this is about the point I quit |
| 17:58.26 | abrotman | darn gnu people! |
| 17:58.47 | kuru- | abrotman: it's the 3rd time in the past year.. but this time I just want to get it over with |
| 17:58.47 | joey_ | X crashes when I start either xdm or gdm |
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| 17:59.32 | joey_ | how do I reconfigure X server? |
| 17:59.35 | kuru- | abrotman: yes, there is no reason why it would try to put it in spool |
| 17:59.42 | kuru- | abrotman: in fact, if it did try to, then something is wrong |
| 17:59.45 | joey_ | the easiest and least painful way :) |
| 17:59.48 | wols_ | !tell joey_ about drxx |
| 17:59.56 | kuru- | (if that is possible, consdiering that everything else is wrong) |
| 18:00.06 | abrotman | kuru-: my C isn't great .. but i can't find in the queue-pr source where it exits with a 2 |
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| 18:00.25 | kuru- | abrotman: I think it's a /bin/sh code |
| 18:00.27 | abrotman | kuru-: i wonder if you feed it a -D .. where the debug info will go |
| 18:03.15 | kuru- | abrotman: you think postfix might be a cultprit here? |
| 18:03.19 | kuru- | culprit |
| 18:03.53 | abrotman | i blame canada |
| 18:04.27 | torrrrr | Nyle, from wiki "By default, Emacs uses a font called “defaultâ€. This should be a system-wide alias for some sensible default font. Ubuntu, particularly, has no such alias. Consequently, Emacs displays a boxes instead of characters. |
| 18:04.27 | kuru- | abrotman: well, they have the 'french' there.. so yeah ;) |
| 18:04.41 | kuru- | abrotman: seirously though.. |
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| 18:04.52 | abrotman | kuru-: you could try asking #postfix .. but i'm sure they'll blame gnats :) |
| 18:04.54 | kuru- | abrotman: could you try replacing postfix with exim? |
| 18:05.09 | abrotman | i can! |
| 18:05.12 | kuru- | abrotman: they completely ignored me.. I've been there for hours (#debian was my last resort) |
| 18:05.21 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 18:05.23 | kuru- | abrotman: I'm just not sure I want to try that on the server i'm on |
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| 18:05.39 | abrotman | kuru-: do you depend on postfix? or the SMTP doens't realyl matter ? |
| 18:05.42 | wols_ | kuru-: #postfix is usually very knowledgeable and helpful |
| 18:06.14 | abrotman | wols_: it is sunday ... |
| 18:06.51 | Nyle | torrrrr hmm |
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| 18:07.03 | wols_ | thankfully not for too much longer :) |
| 18:07.27 | kuru- | wols_: oh they usually are.. but this is not clear whether it's a postfix, gnats or me |
| 18:07.35 | abrotman | i don't think it's oyu |
| 18:08.26 | abrotman | kuru-: looks like it got delivered immediately |
| 18:08.34 | kuru- | abrotman: I use postfix to send newsletters out to over a thousand emails |
| 18:08.41 | kuru- | abrotman: it's the fastest I have found |
| 18:08.47 | kuru- | abrotman: with exim? |
| 18:09.07 | abrotman | kuru-: where doe sit go?! |
| 18:09.28 | kuru- | abrotman: try: query-pr 1 |
| 18:09.39 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 18:09.54 | abrotman | none |
| 18:10.00 | kuru- | should go here: /var/lib/gnats/gnats-db/pending/ |
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| 18:10.08 | abrotman | can you make it list all ? |
| 18:11.00 | abrotman | kuru-: i have some in another dir |
| 18:11.08 | kuru- | abrotman: eh? |
| 18:11.28 | abrotman | kuru-: i think the first ones that i sent to gnats |
| 18:11.30 | abrotman | let me try again |
| 18:11.46 | xand | hmmmm |
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| 18:12.43 | kuru- | abrotman: you can do: query-pr -d default |
| 18:12.51 | kuru- | abrotman: should list them |
| 18:12.58 | abrotman | none |
| 18:12.58 | kuru- | gnats is a really awesome program.. when it works |
| 18:13.05 | abrotman | when is that .. |
| 18:13.07 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:13.19 | kuru- | abrotman: well, at least postfix lets you know something is wrong then.. |
| 18:13.28 | wad | My installation source seems to be down. |
| 18:13.42 | abrotman | !tell wad about mirrors |
| 18:13.47 | wad | Can I just edit /etc/apt/souces.list to change it, or must additional magic happen? |
| 18:14.18 | wad | I run Etch. Can I still use apt-setup? |
| 18:14.30 | abrotman | kuru-: but they're not stuck in /tmp/ anymore either |
| 18:14.42 | kuru- | abrotman: that's just exim vs. postfix |
| 18:14.49 | kuru- | abrotman: so at least it's not an MTA issue |
| 18:15.19 | xand | wad: yes.9~ |
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| 18:15.46 | wad | lol, I don't have apt-setup, it seems. |
| 18:15.58 | wad | And I can't get it via apt-get install.... cause my mirror is down! :) |
| 18:16.02 | simonrvn | not on etch no |
| 18:16.03 | xand | !sources.list |
| 18:16.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 18:16.24 | xand | put the relevant line in, and apt-get update |
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| 18:16.52 | xand | like deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 18:16.59 | abrotman | kuru-: if i "echo 123 | queue-pr -q" .. seems to go in the gnats-adm folder |
| 18:17.01 | abrotman | diretory! |
| 18:17.08 | xand | directory |
| 18:17.09 | joey_ | damn, I cannot configure X on sarge in VMware |
| 18:17.19 | kuru- | abrotman: where? |
| 18:17.22 | joey_ | Bus Identifier for VGA? |
| 18:17.37 | abrotman | kuru-: /var/lib/gnats/gnats-db/gnats-queue/ |
| 18:17.37 | simonrvn | !foldersmite abrotman |
| 18:17.42 | abrotman | !folder |
| 18:17.42 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 18:18.08 | Red_Cloud | abrotman I am coming to the conclusion that the kernel image is being handled by initramfs instead of the initrd. Would that make a difference on the last line of syntax in the menu.lst needed to boot my debian partition? |
| 18:18.14 | JordiGH | What kind of bugs constitute a serious policy violation? Or is this a subjective thing? |
| 18:18.18 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: not likely |
| 18:18.22 | torrrrr | say what do you say about evolution mail? is it good? |
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| 18:18.25 | joey_ | given this line: 0000:00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: VMWare Inc [VMWare SVGA II] PCI Display Adapter |
| 18:18.28 | abrotman | JordiGH: like your gcc docu bug ? |
| 18:18.35 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 18:18.36 | joey_ | what could Bus Identifier? |
| 18:18.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's been long resolved |
| 18:18.44 | JordiGH | I'm about to submit a manpage stub. |
| 18:18.49 | abrotman | joey_: leave it blank |
| 18:18.51 | wad | Serious bug: "Installed Debian on a blank hard drive, but it keeps booting up to MicroSoft Vista!" |
| 18:19.06 | Red_Cloud | abrotman etch |
| 18:19.10 | dvs | wad: heaven forbid! |
| 18:19.15 | abrotman | still not likely |
| 18:19.16 | wad | :-D |
| 18:19.22 | JordiGH | abrotman: No it hasn't. Unless it's in unstable and I need to upgrade. Saying the manpage is in a nonfree package is not resolving it. It needs a stub manpage pointing to the nonfree package. |
| 18:19.34 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's non-free |
| 18:19.46 | JordiGH | Eh? |
| 18:19.48 | abrotman | !maint gcc |
| 18:19.50 | abrotman | ask them |
| 18:19.50 | JordiGH | Are you picking on my spelling? |
| 18:19.54 | dpkg | gcc: Debian GCC Maintainers <debian-gcc@lists.debian.org> |
| 18:20.21 | kuru- | abrotman: that's a good step |
| 18:20.34 | abrotman | kuru-: sure .. but that's a direct pipe :) |
| 18:20.41 | kuru- | abrotman: oh |
| 18:20.49 | joey_ | abrotman I've tried that. X crashes |
| 18:20.56 | abrotman | let me check the maillogs |
| 18:20.56 | JordiGH | The nonfree section isn't considered part of Debian, after all. |
| 18:20.57 | joey_ | when I start it |
| 18:21.01 | kuru- | abrotman: well, I told you, the scripts work fine |
| 18:21.01 | abrotman | joey_: ask #vmware |
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| 18:21.33 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'll contact the gcc maintainers or the BTS as soon as I write the stub manpage. |
| 18:21.33 | damog | asg: I'm here! |
| 18:21.41 | damog | asg: what communists? |
| 18:21.44 | JordiGH | "man gcc" coming up empty is just bizarre. |
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| 18:21.46 | \amethyst | JordiGH: stub manpage for what? |
| 18:21.52 | joey_ | abrotman :) |
| 18:21.54 | JordiGH | \amethyst: for gcc. |
| 18:21.59 | abrotman | kuru-: hrm .. exim isn't logging |
| 18:22.07 | kuru- | abrotman: ;) |
| 18:22.08 | joey_ | abrotman for usb mouse, what device should I choose? |
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| 18:22.23 | abrotman | kuru-: oh .. this program sucks .. |
| 18:22.38 | JordiGH | And that's America-pissed, not Britan-pissed. |
| 18:22.46 | \amethyst | JordiGH: package gcc-4.1 and gcc-3.4 have manpages here (sid) |
| 18:22.57 | kuru- | abrotman: which one? ;) |
| 18:22.57 | abrotman | kuru-: hrm ... i might need to reset gnats |
| 18:23.12 | \amethyst | I take that, back, gcc-3.4's manpage is worse than a stub |
| 18:23.28 | joey_ | it crashes because it cannot detect mouse |
| 18:23.40 | JordiGH | \amethyst: stub manpages? |
| 18:23.43 | wad | I'm having trouble finding a list of mirrors for etch. |
| 18:23.51 | joey_ | cannot open /dev/input/mice |
| 18:23.56 | abrotman | modprobe mousedev |
| 18:24.06 | \amethyst | JordiGH: Sorry, I was wrong, the gcc 4.1 doc is from the non-free package |
| 18:24.22 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Yeah, I see. etch and sid have the same gcc-4.1 doc right now. |
| 18:24.23 | abrotman | exim is telling me it can't pipe |
| 18:24.28 | JordiGH | Er, same package. |
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| 18:24.45 | jelly-home | !info elm-me+ sarge |
| 18:24.54 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 18:25.04 | \amethyst | JordiGH: gcc-3.4 has a manpage, but it has no content at all |
| 18:25.14 | jelly-home | anyone knows when was elm-me+ removed from debian (and why)? |
| 18:25.18 | \amethyst | JordiGH: just a title, section, and date |
| 18:25.22 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Does it even say where to get the documentation? |
| 18:25.22 | abrotman | JordiGH: really .. already decided long ago |
| 18:25.40 | JordiGH | abrotman: sid gcc-4.1 doesn't have a manpage at all, and that's a policy violation. |
| 18:25.47 | JordiGH | abrotman: And it's not in sid. |
| 18:25.49 | abrotman | it has a man page |
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| 18:25.58 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 18:26.03 | JordiGH | abrotman: nonfree packages aren't part of Debian. |
| 18:26.08 | joey_ | abrotman no output returned |
| 18:26.13 | abrotman | JordiGH: it has a man page |
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| 18:26.40 | JordiGH | jordi@Sophia:~/mathdocs/MSc/coding$ man gcc |
| 18:26.40 | JordiGH | No manual entry for gcc |
| 18:26.40 | joey_ | okay, mousedev is loaded |
| 18:26.46 | JordiGH | That's not a manpage. |
| 18:26.56 | JordiGH | This is unexistence of manpage. |
| 18:26.59 | JordiGH | manpage net |
| 18:27.01 | abrotman | it has a man page available |
| 18:27.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: where? |
| 18:27.08 | JordiGH | But it should be in the same package it ships! |
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| 18:27.11 | \amethyst | abrotman: via suggests, though |
| 18:27.19 | JordiGH | There should be a pointer somewhere as to where to get the manpage. |
| 18:27.23 | remoteCtrl | hi, i did modprobe g_NCR5380 ncr_addr=0x280 dtc_3181e=1 and got : pnp: Unable to assign resources to device 01:01.00 --- DTC436p Probe: activate failed -- FATAL: Error inserting g_NCR5380 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-1-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/g_NCR5380.ko): No such device -- Why ? |
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| 18:27.29 | JordiGH | And packages in nonfree *are not part of Debian*. |
| 18:27.30 | abrotman | JordiGH: please go email the gcc maintainer so they can explain to you why GFDL sucks and isn't in main |
| 18:27.49 | jelly-home | JordiGH: it's a known problem. |
| 18:27.53 | JordiGH | abrotman: It doesn't matter. A package needs at the very least a manpage. |
| 18:27.59 | abrotman | IT HAS ONE! |
| 18:28.06 | joey_ | gotcha fsc... |
| 18:28.12 | joey_ | abrotman thanks :) |
| 18:28.13 | JordiGH | abrotman: Should I ouput the result of "man gcc" again to yoU? |
| 18:28.19 | jelly-home | JordiGH: actually I'd prefer no man page at all than something hacked up on a train. ;-) |
| 18:28.19 | \amethyst | abrotman: If a user does apt-get install gcc, they don't get a manpage |
| 18:28.21 | kuru- | abrotman: eh? |
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| 18:28.45 | abrotman | JordiGH: if you don't agree with DFSG .. not my problem |
| 18:28.49 | \amethyst | abrotman: JordiGH is suggesting, I think, that the gcc package at least include a man page saying "For the full man page, install the non-free package gcc-doc" |
| 18:28.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: the man page isn't free .. it goes in non-free .. the man page is available if you choose to install it |
| 18:29.16 | JordiGH | abrotman: What \amethyst said. |
| 18:29.24 | abrotman | \amethyst: then he can ask the gcc maintainers why there isn't one |
| 18:29.26 | \amethyst | JordiGH: You know how to write man pages? |
| 18:29.44 | abrotman | or rather .. why there isn't a useless stub |
| 18:29.47 | JordiGH | \amethyst: It's not hard. |
| 18:29.50 | abrotman | since .. either you're going to use it or not |
| 18:30.00 | \amethyst | JordiGH: then you have a patch already? :) |
| 18:30.03 | JordiGH | It's not useless to get a stub telling you which package to install. |
| 18:30.05 | wad | Okay, I'm stuck on a silly problem. My mirror (mirror.cs.wisc.edu) is down. Can I just comment those two lines out of my /etc/apt/sources.list and put in some new ones? Could someone paste one here for me to use? I've googles for one, and looked on debian.org, but am having no luck finding any other mirror. |
| 18:30.07 | JordiGH | \amethyst: I'm writing it. |
| 18:30.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: it isn't useless if it points to the real page |
| 18:30.11 | abrotman | it is if you don't use non-free |
| 18:30.20 | \amethyst | JordiGH: remember that the non-free package will need a diversion |
| 18:30.53 | wad | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list is almost what I need, but I'm using Etch, not Sarge. |
| 18:30.56 | abrotman | you could make a gcc-man (required by gcc) and a gcc-man-nonfree (in non-free) which conflicts with gcc |
| 18:31.00 | abrotman | erm .. gcc-man |
| 18:31.01 | JordiGH | abrotman: Most people are quite perplexed that the GNU *Free* documentationl license is non-free. Debian politics are sometimes strange to outsiders, and users should be pointed out to when these politics get in the way of work. |
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| 18:31.14 | remoteCtrl | hi, i did modprobe g_NCR5380 ncr_addr=0x280 dtc_3181e=1 and got : pnp: Unable to assign resources to device 01:01.00 --- DTC436p Probe: activate failed -- FATAL: Error inserting g_NCR5380 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-1-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/g_NCR5380.ko): No such device -- Why ? |
| 18:31.19 | abrotman | JordiGH: like when you need some crap driver ? |
| 18:31.24 | JordiGH | abrotman: It's also confusing that gsl-doc-pdf is in main, while it's under the same GFDL license and has invariant sections. |
| 18:31.48 | abrotman | JordiGH: again .. ask the gcc maintainers .. they know more about it than most in this channel |
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| 18:32.01 | JordiGH | abrotman: I will. And it is a problem. |
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| 18:32.09 | abrotman | not really |
| 18:32.33 | kuru- | abrotman: given up |
| 18:32.42 | abrotman | kuru-: file a bug |
| 18:32.42 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:32.50 | \amethyst | abrotman: you use an 8-year-old compiler? |
| 18:33.00 | kuru- | abrotman: just about to.. with gnats |
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| 18:33.03 | abrotman | \amethyst: it's the best :) |
| 18:33.25 | abrotman | kuru-: i have a feeling we've both missed some important part of the setup |
| 18:33.40 | \amethyst | I mean, I can see running 2.95, but pre-merge egcs? |
| 18:33.41 | \amethyst | :) |
| 18:33.44 | kuru- | abrotman: I have the same feeling ;) |
| 18:34.04 | abrotman | kuru-: filing a bug is a good way to get killed by the maint ... you'll see parts of JordiGH floating down the river in a few days |
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| 18:34.18 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:34.30 | JordiGH | abrotman: A stub manpage seems very reasonable to me. |
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| 18:34.45 | abrotman | i thought there was a #debian-gcc |
| 18:34.46 | \amethyst | Even better would be a real DFSG-free one |
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| 18:35.12 | obnauticus | Erm, can someone help me. This is really the first time I've used GUI in any *nix based OS so... ya. |
| 18:35.14 | JordiGH | The GFDL docs will be dfsg-free when GPlv3 comes out. |
| 18:35.28 | obnauticus | I insatlled Beryl, and it's not really doing anything special... |
| 18:35.29 | \amethyst | Even if it only explained -cSEgWILDUo that would be useful |
| 18:35.40 | kuru- | abrotman: thanks a million for your help |
| 18:35.43 | Red_Cloud | If someone has etch debian with kernel 2.6.16 would you look at you menu.lst and tell me the initrd needed to boot that kernel image? |
| 18:35.48 | JordiGH | (though I think they are now... unless you want to make the GPL nonfree because it says it can't be modified.) |
| 18:35.56 | abrotman | kuru-: sorry it didn't get resolved |
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| 18:36.04 | \amethyst | JordiGH: Debian makes an explicit exception for license texts |
| 18:36.13 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: likely something like /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-1-686 or such |
| 18:36.14 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Really? Where? |
| 18:36.35 | remoteCtrl | hi, i did modprobe g_NCR5380 ncr_addr=0x280 dtc_3181e=1 and got : pnp: Unable to assign resources to device 01:01.00 --- DTC436p Probe: activate failed -- FATAL: Error inserting g_NCR5380 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-1-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/g_NCR5380.ko): No such device -- Why ? |
| 18:36.37 | kuru- | abrotman: no biggie, you win some you lose some ;) |
| 18:36.38 | abrotman | \amethyst: GNU doesn't have a problem with GFDL |
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| 18:36.53 | \amethyst | abrotman: of course they don't |
| 18:36.54 | obnauticus | sorry about that |
| 18:37.02 | Red_Cloud | abrotman how can I get tab completion to finish or find that for me? It has not done so yet. keeps coming up with file not found |
| 18:37.08 | abrotman | kuru-: maybe just email the maint instead of filing a bug |
| 18:37.16 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: wrong partition ? |
| 18:37.39 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, it is the only one that is ext2fs 83 |
| 18:37.44 | abrotman | !maint gnats sarge |
| 18:37.45 | \amethyst | JordiGH: hm, actually, I guess that isn't official |
| 18:37.47 | dpkg | gnats: Chad Walstrom <chewie@debian.org> |
| 18:37.47 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: oh |
| 18:37.56 | Red_Cloud | it is an extended partition |
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| 18:38.34 | Red_Cloud | if that matters |
| 18:39.00 | Red_Cloud | I tried to chroot into it with a live cd but could not get that accomplished. |
| 18:39.05 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Ack, I really don't see Debian's complaints. A page of an RMS rant in a 400-page document they claim makes it nonfree because they can't make a reference card which is probably covered under Fair Use in US copyright law anyways... |
| 18:39.36 | JordiGH | But I can't argue against a majority. I can argue against a policy violation, though. |
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| 18:41.08 | JordiGH | Maybe they'd like to make the GPL preamble nonfree too. |
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| 18:41.26 | balzac | well, it's all based on copyright law |
| 18:41.28 | JordiGH | ZOMG BUT WHAT IF SOMEONE ELSE ADDS ANOTHER PREAMBLE! |
| 18:41.30 | abrotman | JordiGH: the problem is that the license isn't compatible with debian |
| 18:41.35 | balzac | the "copyleft" is based on copyright |
| 18:41.42 | JordiGH | abrotman: That's a matter of interpretaton. |
| 18:41.50 | mindframe_ | anybody know what files are necessary for a system to resolve domain names? im running a chroot environment and its not working in there. |
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| 18:41.53 | abrotman | JordiGH: you're not a DD .. you don't get to decide :) |
| 18:41.56 | SaLoMoN | löl |
| 18:42.04 | \amethyst | As a license, wouldn't that be contract law, not copyright law? |
| 18:42.05 | balzac | RMS is one of the most stringent advocates of enforcement of copyright law |
| 18:42.05 | joey_ | abrotman X starts, however, mice still does not work, after mousedev and input modules have been loaded |
| 18:42.14 | joey_ | abrotman anything else to try?:) |
| 18:42.16 | SaLoMoN | Hi |
| 18:42.16 | JordiGH | abrotman: I know. But I can point out a policy violation. |
| 18:42.18 | abrotman | joey_: are you using /dev/input/mouse ? |
| 18:42.22 | abrotman | JordiGH: they're well aware |
| 18:42.24 | SaLoMoN | Anyone here using apt-mirror |
| 18:42.25 | \amethyst | Yes, it depends on copyright law to prevent copying without a contract |
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| 18:42.37 | SaLoMoN | ? |
| 18:42.44 | joey_ | abrotman yes |
| 18:43.20 | Mark17 | is it possible to change the language off debian (from Dutch to English) and to do this also for nano? |
| 18:43.24 | wols_ | anyone use apt-mirror |
| 18:43.28 | wols_ | !anyone use apt-mirror |
| 18:43.28 | dpkg | No, no one uses apt-mirror, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:43.30 | balzac | there used to be a running flame-fest between linus torvald fanboys and RMS fanboys |
| 18:43.36 | balzac | i think it's pretty well settled now |
| 18:43.37 | SaLoMoN | lol |
| 18:43.38 | \amethyst | Mark17: For all users or just yourself? |
| 18:43.46 | SaLoMoN | thanks wols_ ^^ |
| 18:43.50 | Mark17 | for all users (I'm the only user) |
| 18:43.53 | balzac | RMS kept his eyes on the horizon |
| 18:43.55 | JordiGH | balzac: Actually, RMS only uses copyright law to fire against fire. He's often said that if there weren't copyright law, there wouldn't be a need for the GPL. Also, he's said to Eben Moglen that he's not interested in GPL enforcement for the money or to take anyone to court. |
| 18:44.15 | Mark17 | other users only exists for apache, mysql, etc. |
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| 18:44.31 | \amethyst | Mark17: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:44.37 | obnauticus | Erm |
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| 18:45.12 | balzac | JordiGH, copyright law is a neccessary formality. It would take a lot of awareness and maturity for people to get by on an informal system |
| 18:46.07 | balzac | i agree with the changes in GPL3 |
| 18:46.07 | JordiGH | balzac: *shrug* I guess. I'm not really interested in keep talking about this. |
| 18:46.10 | wols_ | balzac: there were inventions, artistical works, etc before copyright law |
| 18:46.19 | \amethyst | Mark17: to set the locale for just yourself, set the LANG variable |
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| 18:46.42 | balzac | i'm also in agreement with those who challenge the whole legal basis of copyright law |
| 18:47.02 | \amethyst | balzac: Legal basis or philosophical basis? |
| 18:47.13 | balzac | sure |
| 18:47.14 | \amethyst | It's pretty hard to argue with the legal basis of copyright law in the US |
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| 18:47.34 | balzac | it's hard but not a battle which should be ignored |
| 18:47.41 | \amethyst | The specifics, OTOH.... Lessig could have prevailed with a different composition of the court |
| 18:48.02 | Mark17 | \amethyst: how can i set the LANG variable in a way that nano change the language? |
| 18:48.06 | cappicrd | good |
| 18:48.18 | balzac | i like the agenda of the "Pirate Party" and piratebay.co |
| 18:48.19 | balzac | com |
| 18:48.30 | \amethyst | Mark17: export LANG=en_EN.utf8 |
| 18:48.36 | \amethyst | Mark17: Then run nano |
| 18:49.24 | \amethyst | Mark17: but you need to make sure the locale is generated by doing dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:49.40 | rolandlakr | amphi: roar |
| 18:49.43 | balzac | ultimately, technological reality trumps ideologically-driven legal claims |
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| 18:50.38 | balzac | with bit-torrent supporting encryption for privacy, how will they enforce copyright claims? |
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| 18:50.55 | balzac | they want to invade your privacy to prove their case against you |
| 18:51.33 | \amethyst | balzac: Privacy is, I'm afraid, one of those "ideologically-driven legal claims" that is getting trumped |
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| 18:51.51 | balzac | good point |
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| 18:52.19 | Mark17 | \amethyst: thank you |
| 18:52.26 | \amethyst | Mark17: np |
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| 18:53.02 | balzac | you can have privacy but it's not easy |
| 18:53.24 | mfrisch | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image creates the vmlinuz file as well correct? |
| 18:53.41 | peterS | yeah you can be Gilmore and just refuse to participate in anything that invades your privacy, like having credit cards or flying on airlines |
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| 18:53.56 | \amethyst | Or living in cities |
| 18:54.32 | abrotman | or being recorded on the security camera at the grocer |
| 18:54.39 | stickybit` | !how to hide ip in hostmask? |
| 18:54.40 | balzac | you can do a lot to obfuscate things. it comes down to a cost-benefit analysis of privacy vs convenience |
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| 18:55.41 | \amethyst | stickybit`: hide IP in hostmask? |
| 18:56.16 | stickybit` | \amethyst: yeah |
| 18:56.31 | Proxyscanyc | ?! |
| 18:56.31 | \amethyst | can you describe what you want to do with more words? |
| 18:56.34 | Kobaz | hmm, when I dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, i go through the menu and it asks to split up config into separate files.. i pick no and it does it anyway... anyone know how to fix this? |
| 18:56.44 | Proxyscanyc | secure |
| 18:57.21 | mfrisch | Kobaz did you use seperate configs before? |
| 18:57.29 | Kobaz | mfrisch: nope |
| 18:58.03 | Kobaz | mfrisch: it seems by default that exim4-config comes with a separated config system |
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| 18:58.32 | mfrisch | Kobaz I think so...don't know how to tell which its using... |
| 18:59.10 | Kobaz | well, it has /etc/exim4/conf.d |
| 18:59.15 | Kobaz | and no exim4.conf |
| 18:59.21 | Kobaz | so by default it uses split up files |
| 19:00.01 | mfrisch | are you using exim-heavy? |
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| 19:00.23 | Kobaz | nope |
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| 19:00.31 | Kobaz | light |
| 19:00.40 | stickybit` | how to hide ip in hostmask? |
| 19:01.02 | Kobaz | stickybit`: you need to ask a different question, noone knows what your talking about |
| 19:01.24 | militant | any of you guys use snex9x ? |
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| 19:02.01 | JordiGH | militant: I have, but not in a while. |
| 19:02.23 | stickybit` | Kobaz:i just want to hide my identity |
| 19:02.49 | Ronin | think they mean a cloak? |
| 19:02.50 | Kobaz | stickybit`: don't go on irc then, heh |
| 19:02.59 | mfrisch | stickybit` anon-proxy? you always have a ip |
| 19:03.11 | \amethyst | stickybit`: tor |
| 19:03.14 | stickybit` | Kobaz: like stickybit`@unaffliated/hello |
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| 19:03.26 | Kobaz | stickybit`: you need to be friends with an admin |
| 19:03.29 | Ronin | stickybit`: look on freenodes website |
| 19:03.39 | mfrisch | go luck |
| 19:03.49 | mfrisch | good luck |
| 19:03.51 | Kobaz | heh |
| 19:04.19 | karsten | stickybit`: ask RichiH, he's staff IIRC. |
| 19:04.24 | abrotman | mwils0n ? |
| 19:04.37 | abrotman | or ask #freenode ? |
| 19:04.38 | karsten | stickybit`: Aye, 'e is. |
| 19:04.44 | Kobaz | anyways |
| 19:04.44 | Kobaz | umm |
| 19:04.47 | karsten | abrotman: #freenode-social these days. |
| 19:04.53 | abrotman | it'll redirect |
| 19:04.55 | Kobaz | anyone knoow about this exim config problem? |
| 19:04.55 | stickybit` | Ronin: ok |
| 19:04.57 | karsten | abrotman: Right. |
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| 19:05.25 | \amethyst | stickybit`: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
| 19:05.28 | stickybit` | karsten: ok |
| 19:05.45 | stickybit` | \amethyst: *click* |
| 19:05.46 | \amethyst | stickybit`: seems that donating to PDPC is one guaranteed way of getting a cloak :) |
| 19:05.48 | Kobaz | well all i want is a default exim config, i think i found one |
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| 19:06.06 | \amethyst | But you don't have to donate |
| 19:06.29 | militant | ahh mmm. wow. this is awful performance on snes9x. it worked so much better on my old 233mmx .... how odd. |
| 19:06.41 | slav0nic | curl-config is missin in curl in debian? |
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| 19:07.33 | remoteCtrl | device `teco2:/dev/sg0' is a Relisys SCORPIO Pro-S flatbed scanner --- chances to make same use my scanner ? |
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| 19:08.29 | mfrisch | remoteCtrl try sane xsane kooka? |
| 19:08.42 | remoteCtrl | i mean i i do scan scanner do some noise |
| 19:08.44 | remoteCtrl | then stalls |
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| 19:09.15 | hark | slav0nic: it's there, /msg dpkg search |
| 19:09.18 | mfrisch | you got to hold that clutch in? |
| 19:09.31 | wols_ | remoteCtrl: checked if your scanner is supported by sane? |
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| 19:09.47 | wols_ | there are lists to check for supported hardware |
| 19:09.56 | stickybit` | \amethyst: thanks for the link |
| 19:10.30 | Maerz | suggest me a software to managed my music files. |
| 19:10.30 | mfrisch | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image creates the vmlinuz file as well correct? |
| 19:10.31 | Maerz | plz |
| 19:10.48 | \amethyst | Maerz: audacious? |
| 19:10.50 | mfrisch | Maerz rythmbox xmms |
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| 19:11.37 | solar_sea | How do I find the files that belong to a package ? |
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| 19:11.56 | \amethyst | solar_sea: dpkg -L packagename |
| 19:11.56 | mfrisch | solar_sea dpkg -L packagename |
| 19:11.57 | wols_ | remoteCtrl: Scorpie Pro is well supported, Pro-S is untested. both use the same teco2 backend. check http://gkall.hobby.nl/teco2.html and manpage sane-teco2 |
| 19:12.04 | solar_sea | thanks |
| 19:12.17 | wols_ | mfrisch: yes |
| 19:12.34 | wols_ | mfrisch: but do "binary-arch" to get the headers as well |
| 19:12.35 | Maerz | ty \amethyst and mfrisch i'll have a look on these. rythmbox doesn't output snd for me :( |
| 19:12.56 | \amethyst | Maerz: does anything output sound for you? |
| 19:13.02 | Maerz | yea everything else |
| 19:13.17 | Maerz | well listen doesn't output anything too |
| 19:13.21 | Maerz | but cmus |
| 19:13.24 | Maerz | and ut2004 |
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| 19:13.31 | mfrisch | wols_ then I can't understand why its not getting copied...I am about to give up on the xen custom kernel dream for now |
| 19:13.39 | Maerz | (though, flash movies don't output sound) |
| 19:13.49 | Maerz | (which is kinda disturbing) |
| 19:13.58 | wols_ | mfrisch: copied where what why? |
| 19:14.13 | solar_sea | Can anyone recommend me a nice torrent client for linux ? I've tried ktorrent, it refuses to compile, (i have sarge with kde 3.5 and ktorrent requires kde-devel, which is not available for this version), i've tried rtorrent but couldn't get anywhere with it. |
| 19:14.23 | wols_ | mfrisch: why do you need a initrd in a custom kernel btw? |
| 19:14.47 | wols_ | solar_sea: check bacports for clients then |
| 19:15.00 | militant | hmmm. i'm wondering how much trouble i'll have getting a usb gamepad working. |
| 19:15.02 | wols_ | Maerz: you need OSS emulation for flash |
| 19:15.14 | \amethyst | you can run your web browser with aoss |
| 19:15.18 | Maerz | works. ut2004 uses oss |
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| 19:15.21 | jelly-home | solar_sea: gui or not? Azureus works for GUI, although it eats up lots of memory |
| 19:15.25 | dvs | militant: not much |
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| 19:15.36 | Maerz | \amethyst tried already |
| 19:15.57 | militant | in any case. i'll be back. gotta clean this desk off, bolt this box back together, get organized a bit |
| 19:16.05 | \amethyst | Does your sound card have multiple PCM channels? |
| 19:16.11 | mfrisch | wols_ from the source dir..all that is created is a 6.9mb file in /boot with the kernels name scheme except config System.map I am starting to understand I probally don't need the initrd. |
| 19:16.16 | \amethyst | err, hardware PCM mixing I mean |
| 19:16.25 | mezmiro | So I'm trying to play a typical audio CD (.cda), and Music Player says "Unable to mount the selected volume. The volume is probably in a format that cannot be mounted." |
| 19:16.40 | Maerz | \amethyst it should have, but that doesn't seem to work for digital out yet, i talked a lot with the alsa guys about that |
| 19:16.47 | mezmiro | Any ideas what to do? The last Debian install I did, I had absolutely no problems with CD's...so I have no clue what's up with that. |
| 19:16.55 | Maerz | \amethyst but i made sure nothing is blocking /dev/dsp or /dev/snd |
| 19:16.59 | wols_ | mfrisch: make-kpkg doesn't create stuff in /Boot. it creates debs |
| 19:17.10 | Maerz | grml audacious is also silent for me |
| 19:17.15 | remoteCtrl | according to docs is supported ;( |
| 19:17.20 | solar_sea | jelly-home, it doesn't matter, although I don't like azureus. and I haven't installed any java vm |
| 19:17.21 | mfrisch | wols_ I am talking about the files in the deb |
| 19:17.45 | remoteCtrl | the strange thing is : my scanne is primax profi 19200 not scorpio |
| 19:18.12 | wols_ | remoteCtrl: could be your primax is a rebranded relisys |
| 19:18.48 | wols_ | remoteCtrl: it uses at least the same teco2 backend and sane says its support is "GOOD" for that scanner |
| 19:19.09 | remoteCtrl | btw it looks like some kind of scsi-error o kernel err happens just 5 sec after scanning begin |
| 19:19.10 | Maerz | \amethyst i noticed, that when i closed my browser (a flash-music-video was playing) and startet cmus for playing, i could hear some milliseconds from the flash movie when cmus startet |
| 19:19.36 | wols_ | mfrisch: just make sure your harddisk controller, filesystems and network card are all compiled in. then ditch initrd |
| 19:19.45 | wols_ | mfrisch: waste of time and diskspace |
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| 19:21.10 | dvs | another kernel compile? |
| 19:21.21 | enouf | w00t |
| 19:21.24 | mfrisch | wols_ and asperastion of that stupid bootsplash...just compile it into kernel. This all started over no support for evms (bd-claim mod) and nvidia support. |
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| 19:23.04 | wols_ | why oh why do people want a bootsplash? |
| 19:23.13 | enouf | nfc |
| 19:23.16 | wols_ | I _want_ to see what my kernel does on bootup |
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| 19:23.36 | wols_ | it certainly looks prettier than any stupid BS windows logo,that's for sure |
| 19:23.40 | asg | wols_: most people ask "what's a kernel and why should I care" |
| 19:23.48 | mfrisch | wols_ it confuses lay people to think you meet their standards of a os? |
| 19:23.51 | enouf | purdy lil' tux sittin' in the top corner? |
| 19:23.55 | Maerz | and i want a small self design symbol in the left upper corner in a acceptable resoultion while seeing the kernel booting |
| 19:23.57 | wols_ | asg: those people shouldn't run linux. for them windows is more than enough |
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| 19:24.14 | wols_ | enouf: fat bird sitting on its ass |
| 19:24.24 | amphi | Maerz: that's trivial to do, but why boot more than once? ;) |
| 19:24.27 | enouf | coppin a squat |
| 19:24.39 | asg | wols_: agreed |
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| 19:25.10 | Maerz | amphi powercosts ;) |
| 19:25.33 | amphi | Maerz: swsusp |
| 19:25.45 | Maerz | well my laptop: 20:07:31 up 6 days, 12:27, 5 users, load average: 1.40, 0.69, 0.36 |
| 19:26.08 | mfrisch | Maerz you have 5 users on your laptop? |
| 19:26.16 | Maerz | 5 xterms |
| 19:26.31 | asg | mfrisch: 15:26:18 up 10 days, 7:07, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.06, 0.07 |
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| 19:26.49 | fantasma | is alioth down? |
| 19:26.54 | mfrisch | asg what you running your load is nothing |
| 19:27.03 | Maerz | my server : 20:30:39 up 52 days, 50 min, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 19:27.10 | asg | mfrisch: I'm not running Gnome, that's probably it |
| 19:27.18 | mfrisch | asg aah |
| 19:27.20 | JordiGH | enouf: I like Tux overseeing kernel booting. :-) |
| 19:27.24 | amphi | Maerz: up 4 days, 20:40, 16 users, load average: 0.42, 0.63, 0.72 ;) |
| 19:27.36 | Maerz | hehe i am running ion2 |
| 19:27.38 | Maerz | *ion3 |
| 19:27.50 | Maerz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.55 | Maerz | this is my current desktop |
| 19:28.06 | xand | install ntp |
| 19:28.13 | Maerz | k |
| 19:28.33 | xand | (close is 6 mins fast :P) |
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| 19:28.45 | fantasma | alioth is down? |
| 19:28.46 | wols_ | you guys really need to install ntpdate or ntpd |
| 19:28.52 | wols_ | almost none has proper time :) |
| 19:28.57 | Maerz | just installed |
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| 19:29.17 | asg | wols_: mine's only .3 secons off |
| 19:29.21 | asg | *seconds |
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| 19:30.50 | fantasma | what is a good framebuffer splash for debian? |
| 19:31.07 | dvs | Anything from Hugh Hefner? |
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| 19:31.29 | fantasma | ... |
| 19:31.42 | asg | Hef! |
| 19:31.57 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.59 | wols_ | dvs: too artificial |
| 19:32.01 | Maerz | now, there are really a lot of apps for which snd does not work.. flash movies, listen, audicious, .. |
| 19:32.24 | asg | xand: there are kernel security issues that you probably should address |
| 19:32.25 | Maerz | i tried several times to fix that |
| 19:32.25 | dvs | wols_: not with soy ;-) |
| 19:32.31 | Maerz | never had success |
| 19:32.35 | wols_ | soy? |
| 19:32.57 | Maerz | i compiled my new kernel today to see if it helped |
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| 19:33.02 | dvs | wols_: It was being used instead of silicone for a while |
| 19:33.53 | Sazpaimon | I'm looking for the krb5-libs |
| 19:33.58 | Sazpaimon | *krb5-libs package |
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| 19:34.19 | asg | Sazpaimon: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:34.27 | Sazpaimon | I did, I can't find it |
| 19:34.46 | Sazpaimon | I checked google and I can only find rpm's of it |
| 19:35.00 | bzed | search for libkrb5 |
| 19:35.02 | asg | Sazpaimon: apt-cache search krb5 lib (as the factoid you didn't read would have told you) |
| 19:35.06 | wols_ | you're not supposed to look at google for debs |
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| 19:35.35 | bzed | Sazpaimon: on debian packages containing a library start with lib.... |
| 19:35.53 | kjxxxx | does anyone know how to foramt a linux partition |
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| 19:36.07 | wols_ | kjxxxx: man mkfs |
| 19:36.07 | asg | kjxxxx: man mke2fs |
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| 19:36.28 | Red_Cloud | Will someone discuss tab completion with me? Is it executed from command line? |
| 19:36.31 | JordiGH | Or gparted. :-) |
| 19:36.51 | JordiGH | Red_Cloud: bash is one app that does tab completion. IRC is another (for nicknames). |
| 19:36.57 | asg | JordiGH: gparted sounds like a pregnancy issue |
| 19:37.08 | xand | asg: maybe... but when I apt-get install the new kernel it doesn't install it properly |
| 19:37.28 | JordiGH | asg: And what does qtparted sound like? |
| 19:37.32 | asg | xand: what version of Debian? put the error in a pastebin |
| 19:37.42 | asg | JordiGH: something for investigating ear wax issues |
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| 19:38.07 | Red_Cloud | JordiGH grub>root(hd0,1)/ |
| 19:38.07 | xand | asg: etch... there is no error, but it doesn't update menu.lst for one thing, so I don't know what else it doesn't do |
| 19:38.28 | xand | dpkg seems to think I'm using lilo |
| 19:38.39 | xand | as it tells me to do things in lilo.conf... and I am not |
| 19:38.40 | xand | stupid thing |
| 19:38.46 | asg | xand: you might both installed. apt-get remove lilo |
| 19:38.52 | xand | I don't |
| 19:38.56 | mfrisch | xand it should be doing both ;-) |
| 19:39.16 | wols_ | xand: lilo config files leftover? |
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| 19:39.28 | xand | there is no trace of lilo... lilo has never been there |
| 19:39.59 | Red_Cloud | abrotman your recommendation of tab completion was wasted upon this fool. I have been trying to use it within the menu.lst file. Pretty stupid, huh? |
| 19:40.11 | mfrisch | xand mine is doing the same thing...it prints a message saying if you use lilo make sure to run it to update it |
| 19:40.17 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: uh .. yeah :) |
| 19:40.19 | Maerz | Red_Cloud ever tried that with an ip address ^^ |
| 19:40.20 | dvs | heh |
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| 19:40.51 | xand | mfrisch: well it doesn't do that on my other machiens |
| 19:40.52 | robin_sz | im always trying to use it to tab-complete spellign of words in irc, after all it works for names ... |
| 19:41.02 | xand | and I don't see why it doesn't update menu.lst |
| 19:41.18 | asg | robin_sz: it seems to be a failure |
| 19:41.19 | Red_Cloud | Sooo, I will now try it from the solaris console and see if I can find the info needed for my menu.lst file. |
| 19:41.24 | mfrisch | xand mine also isn't adding new handrolled kernels. I don't know why |
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| 19:45.41 | mfrisch | xand but when I run update-grub it wipes my old menu.1st |
| 19:45.47 | mezmiro | So..CD's can't mount on my computer apparently. Any idea what might cause that? |
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| 19:46.01 | abrotman | audio CDs ? |
| 19:46.08 | mfrisch | mezmiro audio cd's aren't "mounted" |
| 19:46.09 | asg | mezmiro: what error are you getting |
| 19:46.29 | mfrisch | normally |
| 19:46.48 | mezmiro | Music Player says "Unable to mount the selected volume. The volume is probably in a format that cannot be mounted." |
| 19:47.04 | rainabba | I'm about to setup Debian for my first time (traditionally I've gone RH/Fedora) and need a bit of advise. The system I'm using has a P965 chipset with the ICH8R southbridge that's hosting 4, 150GB Seagate SATA2 drives with NCQ. What is the best configuration (drivers/technology) to realize RAID 5 or RAID 1+0 on this platform with Debian? Running Windows I would use the Intel Util to create an array thats effectively BIOS controls, then load |
| 19:47.10 | mfrisch | mezmiro what is the CD |
| 19:47.14 | mezmiro | and I can't browse the contents of cdrom0 either..whenever I try to browse the CD in mplayer, xine, etc, nothing shows up. |
| 19:47.32 | abrotman | mezmiro: what's on the CD ? |
| 19:47.37 | mezmiro | Just a normal audio CD. .cda files and such. |
| 19:48.15 | abrotman | don't mount it |
| 19:48.16 | abrotman | at all |
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| 19:48.21 | mezmiro | and right now my CD drive is locked...gah. |
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| 19:48.25 | rainabba | Also, would anyone here recommend a distro other than Debian if my sole intention is to run a Xen host? |
| 19:48.37 | mfrisch | rainabba debian has xen |
| 19:48.42 | JordiGH | Red_Cloud: What was that about grub? |
| 19:48.44 | anapivirtua | Hi all <:o |
| 19:48.49 | abrotman | ack .. french! |
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| 19:49.06 | abrotman | sacre blu! |
| 19:49.12 | mezmiro | abrotman: What should I do? |
| 19:49.17 | dvs | pourquoi? |
| 19:49.17 | abrotman | just play the CDE |
| 19:49.19 | abrotman | CD |
| 19:49.24 | mezmiro | lol, I can't really play it. |
| 19:49.27 | asg | abrotman: haha, Solaris faux pas? |
| 19:49.28 | mezmiro | I can't even browse it. |
| 19:49.32 | Red_Cloud | JordiGH I am an idiot and have been trying to use tab completion from within menu.lst. Funny, huh? |
| 19:49.46 | rainabba | mfrisch: If I want to manage Xen via packages, will Debian be a good (or the best) choice? |
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| 19:50.09 | Red_Cloud | I need to determine all of the information to boot into my debian partition which was zapped by an install of solaris. |
| 19:50.15 | bzed | rainabba: all I can say is that ti works very well using the debian xen packages |
| 19:50.15 | abrotman | asg: isn't solaris always a faux pas :) |
| 19:50.23 | JordiGH | Red_Cloud: Ah. Well, for some editors, tab completion might work. Also, the grub command line doesn't have any kind of tab completion? That's surprising. |
| 19:50.23 | asg | abrotman: in my experience |
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| 19:51.09 | mfrisch | rainabba depends what you expect to do...it has been hard to make a customized kernel. But if the stock xen kernel will do...it will be easier to maintain |
| 19:51.29 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: do you need a sample or something ? |
| 19:51.35 | mezmiro | So, lets say I put in a Beatles CD or something. |
| 19:51.39 | mfrisch | Red_Cloud oops |
| 19:51.49 | Red_Cloud | JordiGH I am now going to go to solaris os and see if tab completion will give me the information that I need. I am going to try grub> root (hd0,1 and see if the info is given to me |
| 19:51.51 | rainabba | mfrisch: You know any reason the stock xen kernel wouldn't be ideal (perhaps storage drivers)? |
| 19:52.08 | Red_Cloud | abrotman that would be marvelous |
| 19:52.12 | mezmiro | I go to Computer on the desktop in GNOME, try to open CD ROM 1, and it says "Unable to mount the selected volume. The volume is in a format that cannot be mounted." |
| 19:52.23 | mfrisch | rainabba well I want to be using evms as domain storage and for that a patch is needed |
| 19:52.23 | JordiGH | Red_Cloud: what boot manager does Solaris use? Isn't there a working /boot partition somewhere? |
| 19:52.31 | Red_Cloud | JordiGH grub |
| 19:52.46 | mezmiro | Then it says "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, missing codepage or other error." |
| 19:53.07 | Sazpaimon | ugh |
| 19:53.09 | JordiGH | Red_Cloud: So yoink Solaris's grub configuration. Or just modify it. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out which (hd?,?) contains your Debian install. |
| 19:53.10 | Sazpaimon | what the hell just happened |
| 19:53.14 | mfrisch | mezmiro I think you are using a mp3 player to play a cd |
| 19:53.17 | Sazpaimon | my network is now completely dead |
| 19:53.18 | Red_Cloud | upon install it deleted my partition which housed my linux grub and then did not update to include my debian linux in its menu.lst |
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| 19:53.48 | mfrisch | Red_Cloud your great so don't install solaris got it! |
| 19:53.58 | mezmiro | mfrisch: I'm not even using any player at all. I'm just trying to browse the contents of the CD and it says that. |
| 19:54.07 | JordiGH | Wow, it deleted an entire partition without asking? This is even worse than Windows overwriting the MBR without asking. |
| 19:54.11 | Red_Cloud | JordiGH I know that my debian is on hda0,1. But after that the vmimage is all messed up and initrd is also a nogo |
| 19:54.13 | mfrisch | mezmiro don't play it |
| 19:54.17 | mezmiro | mfrisch: MP3 CD's work just fine, but normal audio CD's don't. |
| 19:54.24 | Red_Cloud | I know that root=/dev/hda3 |
| 19:54.40 | Web | Winodw is more worse |
| 19:55.01 | mfrisch | Web yup...ugly |
| 19:55.05 | Sazpaimon | ping: sendto: Network is unreachable |
| 19:55.05 | Red_Cloud | but if I remember correctly the initrd file is not named initrd but something or other to do with the kernel image. |
| 19:55.08 | Sazpaimon | any idea what this means? |
| 19:55.31 | Sazpaimon | and how I can resolve it? |
| 19:55.37 | JordiGH | Red_Cloud: initrd.img-kernel-version |
| 19:55.37 | Web | Network is unreachable |
| 19:55.53 | wols_ | Sazpaimon: by setting up your network properly |
| 19:55.53 | asg | Sazpaimon: you don't have a route to the network or a default gateway |
| 19:56.01 | JordiGH | Web: Windows is the most worsest, yep. |
| 19:56.07 | mfrisch | Red_Cloud do a fdisk -l |
| 19:56.16 | Sazpaimon | that's what I figured, but it was jut working a few minutes ago |
| 19:56.23 | Web | JordiGH o yes , icant even spell the word. |
| 19:56.27 | Red_Cloud | abrotman I do need the correct syntax to fine the kernel vmimage information |
| 19:56.29 | Sazpaimon | then my network just sort of died |
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| 19:56.40 | abrotman | i did done tell you how! |
| 19:56.44 | JordiGH | Web: I'm sorry. I'm being bad. |
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| 19:57.43 | Web | kernel |
| 19:57.47 | Web | woooops |
| 19:58.02 | Sazpaimon | I'm not sure why Im getting this.. |
| 19:58.13 | Sazpaimon | I mean my network wa peachy earlier |
| 19:58.15 | Red_Cloud | JordiGH I have used /initrd.img-2.6.16 and the file was not found. I have used /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16 and the file was not found |
| 19:58.17 | Sazpaimon | *was |
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| 19:58.55 | Red_Cloud | So that is why I need to implement tab completion correctly to get the correct information to use in menu.lst |
| 19:59.02 | JordiGH | Red_Cloud: Boot into Solaris, mount the partition where you think the init files are, and stop guessing. |
| 19:59.44 | putridp | wols_: thanks for your earlier reply! |
| 19:59.47 | Sazpaimon | I dont know what went wrong... :/ |
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| 20:00.21 | JordiGH | Red_Cloud: Do you need help with the grub commands for booting Debian? I can check my own menu.lst to help you out. |
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| 20:00.56 | Red_Cloud | JordiGH I have asked the fellow in the #solaris but have received no help. JordiGH if you would check your menu.lst I would appreciate it. |
| 20:01.05 | mfrisch | Red_Cloud just use the debian cd and reistall grub with the rescue mode? |
| 20:01.06 | remoteCtrl | hi again, After scan begins it says scsi: timeout g_NCR5380.c:1524 - there's a fix ? |
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| 20:01.54 | chris_173 | hi! |
| 20:02.26 | Red_Cloud | mfrisch I have been thinking of deleting the solaris os and reinstalling debian into that partition to see how the ramdisk is given for initrd and then be able to boot into my debian. I have a lot of stuff in that partition that I do not want to lose. |
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| 20:02.41 | JordiGH | Oh, I forgot. My grub commands will probably be a little different since I'm using LVM and an encrypted partition. |
| 20:02.46 | chris_173 | I got some tiny question: I want to install Xorg server on debian sarge - is there somewhere a tutorial available? When easily trying to install the backports package, he wants xserver-common which again wants xfree86 |
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| 20:03.12 | Red_Cloud | JordiGH thanks anyway. |
| 20:03.18 | mfrisch | Red_Cloud just use the debian cd and reistall grub with the rescue mode? All you would need to know is the /boot partition and if its there you won't lose anything |
| 20:03.25 | remoteCtrl | hi again, After scan begins it says scsi: timeout g_NCR5380.c:1524 - there's a fix ? |
| 20:03.39 | xand | update-grub fixed that c.c |
| 20:03.50 | enouf | Red_Cloud: something like initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 .. depending upon the arch |
| 20:03.53 | JordiGH | Red_Cloud: Well, I know what the modifications should be. The kernel just needs a different root partition instead of the /dev/mapper/stuff thing I have. |
| 20:04.14 | JordiGH | title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:04.15 | JordiGH | root (hd0,0) |
| 20:04.15 | JordiGH | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/mapper/Sophia-root ro splash vga |
| 20:04.15 | JordiGH | =791 quiet |
| 20:04.15 | JordiGH | initrd /initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 20:04.31 | Red_Cloud | JordiGH thanks |
| 20:04.36 | JordiGH | Drat, four lines is the limit. |
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| 20:05.04 | JordiGH | root=/dev/hda3 instead of what I have. And you need to point (hd0,0) to (hd0,2) and get the right kernel version in there. |
| 20:05.12 | Red_Cloud | JordiGH it used to be 5 lines didn't it? |
| 20:05.36 | abrotman | JordiGH: uhm .. is your /boot/ on a seperate partition ? |
| 20:05.47 | JordiGH | abrotman: Oh, right, it is. |
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| 20:06.27 | rainabba | The system I'm using has a P965 chipset with the ICH8R southbridge that's hosting 4, 150GB Seagate SATA2 drives with NCQ. What is the best configuration (drivers/technology) to realize RAID 5 or RAID 1+0 on this platform with Debian? Running Windows I would use the Intel Util to create an array thats effectively BIOS controls, then load the drivers in Windows, but I've heard that even the ICH8R is actually software raid (though the performan |
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| 20:07.01 | mfrisch | rainabba check out evms if you want to use xen too |
| 20:07.49 | enouf | rainabba: you likely have a sil controller for that (and jmicron for ide/esata stuff) .. which exact mobo is it? |
| 20:08.25 | abrotman | streuner: happy now? |
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| 20:09.04 | Red_Cloud | Well fellows, I will be back after success. I have been given enough scent to put me on the correct trail. I just need to do a lot of googling and study. Thanks. |
| 20:09.23 | rainabba | enouf: I do have both those contollers in addition to the ICH8R (6 ports on the ICH8R, 2 on the SiL, and 2 (1 is eSata) on the jmicron). This is the Abit AB9 PRO. |
| 20:09.32 | rainabba | mfrisch: Looking into it now |
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| 20:10.16 | pingouin | what is the best supported by linux/debian ? 965 chipset ? or 975 ? to stand a Quad core, or core duo 2 ? |
| 20:10.34 | abrotman | CPU doesn't matter .. chipset does |
| 20:10.44 | abrotman | and it depends on the stuff that's actually on the board |
| 20:10.59 | pingouin | hmmm not easy |
| 20:11.11 | pingouin | when it's time to choose a mobo |
| 20:11.12 | enouf | rainabba: IIRC, the sil controller makes you plug 3 of 4 drives into the ich8, and 1 of 4 into the sil to realize a Raid10 or 0+1 config |
| 20:11.35 | mfrisch | pingouin like what north/south bridge etc.. |
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| 20:12.25 | enouf | rainabba: that is .. to effectively use what they call "hardware" controlled raid |
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| 20:12.50 | pingouin | mfrisch: i expect to change for a core duo 2, or maybe a quad...i absolutly dont know which mobo i can take...i still have my "old" ata harddrive, and i still want to run a debian stable.... |
| 20:13.03 | rainabba | enouf: Where did you find that info? |
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| 20:13.07 | militant | w00t. |
| 20:13.13 | enouf | rainabba: mucho mas googley ;-) |
| 20:13.20 | pingouin | but will sarge boot from my dvd player ata ? |
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| 20:13.24 | enouf | rainabba: and other sources |
| 20:13.25 | mfrisch | pingouin Research Research Research |
| 20:13.51 | mfrisch | googley |
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| 20:14.14 | rainabba | enouf: Sounds odd, but I'll entertain the idea. What software/driver config would I use with Debian to go that route? |
| 20:14.45 | wintix | i have debian unstable amd64 with custom kernel 2.6.20 running on my box. the box has a scsi hard disk which is used as boot device and 6 sata disks as software raid5 via mdadm. the problem is: the scsi disk kind of jumps between /dev/sda and /dev/sdg so debian boots only every second or third power cycle because it doesn't expect the boot partition to be sdg1. is it possible to force loading the scsi driver beforde the sata ... |
| 20:14.47 | pingouin | or wait one or two year that etch is out and support all chipset ;) |
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| 20:14.51 | wintix | ... driver or to assign sda statically to the scsi disk? |
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| 20:15.40 | jetscreamer | what thaws first: the H2, or the O (water) |
| 20:15.44 | jetscreamer | ice |
| 20:16.07 | enouf | rainabba: not certain .. best bet is to see linux-ata.org .. check the changelogs for latest debian kernel .. which I can throw you a link to ... but google your exact model sil controller and you'll see what I mean .. i think |
| 20:16.25 | abrotman | jetscreamer: the molecular makeup of H2O doesn't change when it melts |
| 20:16.28 | h3sp4wn | wintix: I believe that if you have the scsi compiled into the kernel and the other as a module then the one in the kernel will be detected first |
| 20:16.34 | jetscreamer | sil? arent they all like one ? |
| 20:16.47 | jetscreamer | one module i mean |
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| 20:17.08 | abrotman | !find sil*.ko etch |
| 20:17.08 | enouf | that mobo has 3 separate controllers .. |
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| 20:17.12 | wintix | h3sp4wn: hm. that might actually work. i'll try that. thanks. |
| 20:17.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sil*.ko' (3 of 9): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/{sata_sil.ko|sata_sil24.ko}) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/drivers/scsi/{sata_sil.ko|sata_sil24.ko}) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/{sata_sil.ko|sata_sil24.ko}) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686. |
| 20:17.38 | JordiGH | Well, H20 has a very distinct crystal structure when it freezes. Ice floating on water is decidedly bizarre. Why are we talking about this/ |
| 20:17.39 | enouf | but it's a 4xxx model IIRC |
| 20:17.39 | JordiGH | ? |
| 20:17.40 | h3sp4wn | wintix: Other than that you can edit the initramfs yourself (its a pain but you can do it) |
| 20:17.55 | jetscreamer | CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SIL=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SIL24=m # CONFIG_FB_ASILIANT is not set |
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| 20:18.12 | mezmiro | Hmm jetscreamer, any idea why Debian tries to mount an Audio CD whenever I try to browse it? |
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| 20:18.15 | enouf | and the jmicron stuff is a 3xx model |
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| 20:18.33 | JordiGH | mezmiro: Is it KDE or GNOME who do that? |
| 20:18.35 | h3sp4wn | wintix: Or you can use LABEL or UUID |
| 20:18.39 | mezmiro | GNOME. |
| 20:18.43 | jetscreamer | i was waiting for my ozarka to thaw and wondered if i was drinking more hydrogen than usual |
| 20:18.56 | mezmiro | This is the first issue I've had with it. |
| 20:19.04 | mfrisch | jetscreamer uuhhmm |
| 20:19.06 | JordiGH | mezmiro: Gnome is trying to be helpful, that's all. You can ask it not to do it. |
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| 20:19.35 | mfrisch | jetscreamer but its the lack of oxyegen is whats bad |
| 20:19.43 | mezmiro | How do I ask it not to do it? XD |
| 20:19.47 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: i don't use automount. and not much gnome, so no idea |
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| 20:20.03 | mezmiro | Hmm..so I need to turn off automount...gah. |
| 20:20.03 | rainabba | enouf: What I'm finding so far relates to booting issues, not really raid issues. Sound like I may not be finding what you were? |
| 20:20.05 | wintix | h3sp4wn: i'll try it the kernel way first. scsi compiled in and sata as module. |
| 20:20.09 | fantasma | what is the name of of the package (in debian repos) that contains kernel source 2.6.x? |
| 20:20.11 | abrotman | mezmiro: probably because you told it to |
| 20:20.16 | abrotman | fantasma: sarge or etch ? |
| 20:20.17 | wintix | h3sp4wn: i'll let u know how it goes. |
| 20:20.19 | mezmiro | I so didn't! |
| 20:20.22 | fantasma | abrotman, etch |
| 20:20.27 | mezmiro | I didn't even know automount existed....:D |
| 20:20.28 | abrotman | fantasma: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 20:20.42 | JordiGH | mezmiro: I don't use Gnome. In KDE, you get a little window asking what you want to do with it when it goes in. I'm guessing Gnome must have something similar somewhere in its settings. Sorry I can't be more helpful. |
| 20:20.46 | fantasma | abrotman, ahhh it goes by linux-source not kernel-source thank you! |
| 20:20.47 | apocn | Im trying to install debian on my toshiba tecra m4 (tablet pc). But with the netinst / 1st CD its not recognizing my wireless card, and if I try booting with the linux26 option. its not recognizing my HDD, any help? |
| 20:21.13 | mezmiro | No problem JordiGH :) Thanks for the info :D |
| 20:21.17 | enouf | [IDE] Add driver for Jmicron JMB36x devices by Alan Cox. Enable jmicron on i386 and amd64 archs. |
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| 20:22.01 | fantasma | abrotman, since kernel version 2.6.20 isnt repos will I have to get it from kernel.org? |
| 20:22.06 | JordiGH | apocn: The wireless card likely has proprietary drivers. You'll have to get that later. And it sounds like you're using Debian sarge; personally I would recommend using etch for a laptop unless you're planning on using your laptop as a server. |
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| 20:22.17 | abrotman | fantasma: if that's what you want |
| 20:22.23 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: maybe somewhere in gconf if there's no setting in gnome system tools or whatever it's called |
| 20:22.25 | apocn | ok |
| 20:22.25 | abrotman | fantasma: you won't get support on it in here though |
| 20:22.29 | apocn | Im not planning to use it as a server |
| 20:22.37 | fantasma | abrotman, would I be missing out on a bunch of debian patches? |
| 20:22.38 | apocn | then I'll get the *eth* |
| 20:22.41 | JordiGH | apocn: I didn't think so. :-) |
| 20:22.44 | apocn | s/eth/etch/ |
| 20:22.47 | apocn | :] |
| 20:22.52 | apocn | thanks JordiGH |
| 20:22.56 | abrotman | fantasma: yes |
| 20:23.13 | fantasma | :( thanks abrotman |
| 20:23.14 | h3sp4wn | fantasma: Most of the debian patches are backports |
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| 20:23.52 | JordiGH | apocn: It's not immediately obvious how to get the etch install CD from the webpage... you want the weekly builds. Let me know if you have a hard time finding it. Also, get an ethernet connection for your laptop while you figure out what to do about the wireless card. |
| 20:24.26 | jetscreamer | him say 'get wired' |
| 20:24.34 | fantasma | h3sp4wn, meaning what? |
| 20:24.38 | apocn | JordiGH, ok. Thanks a lot |
| 20:24.47 | concept10 | Does a modern Linux distro use NIS? |
| 20:25.00 | enouf | rainabba: what's your sil controller model? |
| 20:25.30 | x_link | My main man enouf ! |
| 20:25.32 | h3sp4wn | fantasma: fixes that have been made in later kernels and put into an older one |
| 20:25.46 | enouf | hola x_link |
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| 20:26.28 | fantasma | h3sp4wn, so a newer kernel (2.6.18) from kernel.org is not much different from the one in debian repositories? |
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| 20:27.01 | remoteCtrl | hi, when scanning it says g_NCR5280:1524 timeout and stalls --- there's a way to tell ncr to wait some more for device to be ready ? |
| 20:27.02 | h3sp4wn | fantasma: They have different priorities (I don't like backports as a rule) |
| 20:27.03 | abrotman | fantasma: there's a changelog |
| 20:27.31 | fantasma | abrotman, ah yes I see it thank you |
| 20:27.42 | fantasma | and thanks h3sp4wn |
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| 20:27.50 | apocn | JordiGH, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-cd/ -> here? |
| 20:27.55 | h3sp4wn | fantasma: Often the simple fix is backported - and the proper fix goes into a later upstream kernel |
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| 20:28.12 | JordiGH | apocn: Yes, that's it. |
| 20:28.18 | apocn | thanks |
| 20:28.53 | rainabba | enouf: Sil3132 |
| 20:28.54 | JordiGH | apocn: Assuming you are using jigdo for the download... |
| 20:29.10 | fantasma | h3sp4wn, how can you tell which kernel is a backport |
| 20:29.14 | apocn | yes I got the wrong link: I have this now :http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:29.15 | apocn | :] |
| 20:29.31 | enouf | rainabba: that's covered by the sil24.ko module .. ok .. likel not necessary for raid5 |
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| 20:31.06 | JordiGH | apocn: That sounds like it, except you'll be Evil since you'll be consuming The Precious Bandwidth more than if you were using jigdo. :-) |
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| 20:31.22 | apocn | ok |
| 20:31.30 | rainabba | enouf: My ignorance of hardware support in the *nix arena now becomes more apparent. You're saying that the sil controller will be supported, but not needed for raid5? If so, I don't follow. |
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| 20:32.14 | wintix | h3sp4wn: your suggestion about the scsi/sata sda<->sdg problem seems to work. 4 reboots in a row and it's still working. thank you :) |
| 20:32.20 | enouf | rainabba: yes .. basically .. it's this modulename actually sata_sil24 for the sil controller |
| 20:32.28 | h3sp4wn | fantasma: I think you need to search wikipedia or something to find out what a backport is then what I have said will make sense |
| 20:32.54 | enouf | rainabba: you should be able to do raid5 fine using just the ich8 ,... IINM |
| 20:33.46 | enouf | rainabba: however .. if you google and read your mobo manual about how iy's integrated you'll get a clearer picture about a raid10 setup that it claims to do |
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| 20:35.10 | rainabba | enouf: IINM? So for RAID5 I still use the Intel ROM interface then just install? Why would RAID10 be a different issue? If you could like me to any of those RAID10 articles you're refing to I would be greatful. I'm Googling and reading and not finding much that's conclusive. |
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| 20:35.30 | enouf | !iinm |
| 20:35.30 | dpkg | from memory, iinm is If I'm Not Mistaken |
| 20:35.37 | rixxon | I don't understand how to install tcl via apt. Do I need some special repository? |
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| 20:35.57 | enouf | rainabba: i'll see waht i can come up with |
| 20:36.07 | rainabba | thank you |
| 20:37.19 | JordiGH | rixxon: No. But what part of tcl do you want? It's split over a bunch of different packages. |
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| 20:38.43 | rixxon | JordiGH: Trying to help my friend get an eggdrop running. |
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| 20:39.01 | JordiGH | What's an eggdrop? |
| 20:39.05 | JordiGH | rixxon: ^^ |
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| 20:39.25 | amphi | !eggdrop |
| 20:39.25 | dpkg | Eggdrop!? I scoff at Eggdrop bots! I'll have you know, amphi, that I am a blootbot, and proud of it! If you really want to sift through the rubbish heap of Tcl, it's allegedly sitting somewhere near <ftp://raistlin.toledolink.com/pub/eggdrop>, but don't say I didn't warn you! |
| 20:39.35 | rixxon | JordiGH: an irc bot |
| 20:39.38 | amphi | hah |
| 20:39.46 | rellik | is there a way to do something like "cat * | grep Foo" but have it print out the name of the file that it finds Foo in? |
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| 20:40.43 | bzed | rellik: grep Foo * |
| 20:40.45 | abrotman | like grep Foo * ? |
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| 20:41.06 | bzed | !beer abrotman |
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| 20:42.13 | rellik | bzed, abrotman :) thanks |
| 20:42.16 | xand | DUCKS |
| 20:42.26 | abrotman | rellik: i believe man grep would have answered your question also |
| 20:42.42 | abrotman | or maybe that's line number |
| 20:42.51 | MFox | egg broked! cu you droped it down ! |
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| 20:42.58 | rellik | abrotman, yeah, if I had guessed that grep would do that.. |
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| 20:43.22 | rellik | abrotman, I figured I would have to throw something in the pipe |
| 20:43.28 | abrotman | -H |
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| 20:44.11 | bzed | -H is default, isn;t it? |
| 20:45.12 | fantasma | can a kernel patch made for 2.6.20.2 work with kernel 2.6.20.3? |
| 20:47.05 | abrotman | possibly |
| 20:47.18 | fantasma | k |
| 20:47.32 | wintix | perhaps someone here can help me. i have debian testing on my workstation and some time ago the language changed from english to german. that is quite annoying since the translation is somewhat weird. how do i get the system default language back to english? |
| 20:47.49 | JordiGH | !tell wintix about locales |
| 20:47.52 | abrotman | oh .. doesn't work with -H because cat makes them one big file .. duh |
| 20:48.08 | streuner | fantasma: what's the name of the patch? |
| 20:48.20 | wintix | JordiGH: thank you |
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| 20:48.39 | fantasma | streuner, vesafb-tng-1.0-rc2-2.6.20-rc2.patch |
| 20:49.09 | Maerz | i want to remove all files in the current dir that exist in a certain subdir, but this seems not to work: ls subdir | xargs -0 rm |
| 20:50.11 | eisen | maybe with ls -1 |
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| 20:51.38 | wintix | JordiGH: dpkg-reconfigure locales also changes my keyboard layout, hm? |
| 20:51.56 | Maerz | hmmm no change.. it seems to pass rm this: rm subfile1\nsubfile2\nsubfile3 |
| 20:52.43 | dotCOMmie | hello, I need to parse output of ps in a script, and I have a problem where ps -eo pid,user,cmd turns "user" into "uid" when line is too long. is there away to prevent this behaviour? |
| 20:52.45 | h3sp4wn | fantasma: That is for 2.6.20-rc2 (probably will work though) |
| 20:53.08 | h3sp4wn | fantasma: remember vesa-tng won't work on 64 bit if you are running that |
| 20:53.31 | JordiGH | wintix: No, it shouldn't... |
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| 20:54.00 | ktwilight_ | ok, dpkg configuration failed on me 'cuz my battery died, i had to reboot and did dpkg --configure -a. now it says "dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0004' near line 1: newline in field name 'padding' |
| 20:54.03 | ktwilight_ | what should i do? |
| 20:54.07 | wintix | JordiGH: ok. thank you again. |
| 20:54.34 | JordiGH | ktwilight_: Uh-oh... :-/ |
| 20:54.52 | ktwilight_ | yes, big one :/ |
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| 20:55.05 | jetscreamer | 'maybe' clean the cache and re-d/l but i'm not sure at all |
| 20:55.29 | ktwilight_ | i've looked at the 0004 file, and it's a bunch of #padding except line 1 where it just says padding |
| 20:55.44 | ktwilight_ | gonna try dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 20:56.15 | ktwilight_ | hm, the same. but an additional error "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: adduser is not installed" |
| 20:56.17 | ktwilight_ | great :/ |
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| 20:56.25 | ktwilight_ | btw, it was a dist-upgrade :/ |
| 20:56.42 | beniamino | how do you find out why a package was 'kept back' |
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| 20:57.02 | streuner | beniamino: just run apt-get install <package> |
| 20:57.04 | abrotman | usually because it requires a new package |
| 20:57.18 | streuner | or the depends cannot satisfied |
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| 20:57.36 | streuner | beniamino: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:58.28 | eisen | Maerz: xargs -d \n perhaps |
| 20:58.45 | beniamino | ah, ok, it depends on new packages. thanks! |
| 20:58.46 | eisen | Maerz: err, xargs -d '\n' |
| 20:59.07 | bzed | Maerz: you want to use find |
| 20:59.20 | bzed | Maerz: do you want to include subdirs? |
| 20:59.25 | Maerz | no |
| 20:59.28 | ktwilight_ | hm, a force reconfigure makes it worst in a way :/ |
| 21:00.07 | bzed | Maerz: find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 21:00.09 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 21:00.09 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until it exits.. you may have to hit y or n somewhere though. |
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| 21:01.04 | albert | es correcto?: chmod u=wrx,g=rx,o=x |
| 21:01.04 | bzed | jetscreamer: that sounds like a good way to remove a lot of stuff |
| 21:01.05 | albert | ?? |
| 21:01.16 | albert | it's correct?: chmod u=wrx,g=rx,o=x |
| 21:01.16 | rainabba | enouf: I didn't miss that link did I? |
| 21:01.19 | abrotman | albert: to do what ? |
| 21:01.40 | albert | abrotman, it is same to do: chmod 761 ? |
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| 21:01.53 | JordiGH | albert: "es correcto", hm.... You don't speak my dialect. |
| 21:01.55 | abrotman | sure .. if you wan tto do that ... |
| 21:01.57 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:01.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:02.37 | JordiGH | And you'll also get more properly spelled words. |
| 21:02.37 | Maerz | eisen 's tipp worke |
| 21:02.37 | albert | JordiGH Ok, it's correct? |
| 21:02.41 | Maerz | * worked |
| 21:02.56 | enouf | rainabba: no .. and all i can find is http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?id=64 .. it definitely was a 4xxx model number integrated into one of the Asus Mobos that i can't find now for the life of me .. but this explains what i'm talking about, but you don't seem to have this Sil 4xxx controller .. so moot point i guess |
| 21:02.57 | eisen | Maerz: the find solution would be superior though |
| 21:02.57 | JordiGH | albert: It is. |
| 21:03.03 | albert | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:03.26 | dc3aes | I am configuring exim4 with a smarthost and it is being rejected by half of my destinations, i suspect an improper configuration making my mail look like spam.. I would have sworn there was a service on the web where you could e-mail it, it would analyze the headers and point out your obvious "looks like spam" aspects?? anyone know, thx a mill. |
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| 21:04.35 | abrotman | albert: i said yes |
| 21:04.39 | JordiGH | albert: Yes. But why does it matter? |
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| 21:05.03 | bzed | dc3aes: is your smarthost the MX for the domainname you're using? |
| 21:05.05 | petemc | dc3aes: wouldnt the problem lay with the smarthost? |
| 21:05.05 | albert | I was konowed |
| 21:05.21 | dc3aes | my smarthost is my ISP, and have used it for years without problems |
| 21:05.33 | bzed | dc3aes: is your smarthost the MX for the domainname you're using? |
| 21:05.49 | dc3aes | nope, its possible i have my assumptions incorrect about email |
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| 21:06.03 | dc3aes | I studied it in detail years ago, but i honestly forgot too much |
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| 21:07.08 | petemc | dc3aes: the content of the mails should be ok? |
| 21:07.15 | dc3aes | one of my primary concerns was that this machine is on a dynamic IP and the reverse of the IP will be a host that differs from the host I am claiming it is |
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| 21:07.31 | bzed | dc3aes: your msarthost should take care of that |
| 21:07.33 | dc3aes | e.g. office.company.com is what my host is here.. but it really is num.city.isp.com |
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| 21:08.03 | dc3aes | i exposed the headers of my test e-mail, as delivered on the target .. and it showed "from root@office.company.com" |
| 21:08.13 | dc3aes | and, I know that it probably looks like a forgery attempt :P |
| 21:08.20 | enouf | rainabba: it appears to be more predominant in ICH7/975x chipsets http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2797 |
| 21:08.21 | rainabba | enouf: I do see this saying that it supports 100% CPUless raid, but I don't see why I would attach 1 drive to the Sil controller and the other 3 to the ICH8R (or did I misunderstand you?) |
| 21:08.24 | bzed | dc3aes: well, configure your exim to rewrite the email address |
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| 21:08.42 | dc3aes | I just remember there was a service out there, that was free.. and you could fire an email to it and it would analyze the header and break it down showing you where potential problems may lie |
| 21:08.48 | enouf | rainabba: you wouldn't .. only for the sil 4723 controller |
| 21:08.52 | dc3aes | I will look into that bzed for sure. thx. |
| 21:09.07 | rainabba | ok |
| 21:09.11 | enouf | rainabba: my info is all mixed up a bit .. can you tell? |
| 21:09.18 | rainabba | :) |
| 21:09.22 | bzed | dc3aes: you could trust me and send me an email if you want and I'll tell you why my server rejected it |
| 21:09.30 | rainabba | Begining to confuse me (more than I was) |
| 21:09.44 | petemc | dc3aes: googling for "email spam check" gives some likely results |
| 21:09.44 | enouf | rainabba: my apologies |
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| 21:10.05 | rainabba | No worries. I appriciate that you're trying to help. Not finding much usable support out there. |
| 21:10.48 | dc3aes | petemc: have done this to great length, but will continue my googling |
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| 21:11.46 | enouf | rainabba: once you understand or read reviews about how that 4723 controller is integrated .. you'll understand my point of how confabulated an integration to try and achive hardware controlled raid it is |
| 21:11.52 | dc3aes | hehe i never tried "email spam check" but hundreds of other combinations.. the first hit of that combo worked! thanks |
| 21:12.33 | enouf | rainabba: that's why i have to remember that controller number now .. haven't heard anything about it for amonth or so .. |
| 21:13.05 | rainabba | linux-ata.org indicates that the ICH8 is suported much more than the previous ICH implementations. |
| 21:13.14 | bzed | dc3aes: http://www.dnsstuff.com/ works great to check your DNS settings |
| 21:13.34 | krazykit | downgrading from sid to etch is a headache :-/ |
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| 21:13.49 | spinster | hello, i am running linux ubuntu so can somebody tell me how to install BitchX ? |
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| 21:13.54 | dc3aes | thx bzed |
| 21:13.59 | bzed | krazykit: you don't do it. point :) |
| 21:14.00 | abrotman | spinster: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:14.01 | krazykit | spinster, /join #ubuntu |
| 21:14.18 | mezmiro | Hmm..yeah ubuntu has a different package system or something. |
| 21:14.19 | enouf | rainabba: whatever the dealio .. you're still using a workaround for hardware raid via using any onboard controllers .. go get a 3ware/adaptec/lsi logic/areca card or something |
| 21:14.20 | krazykit | bzed, yeah, yeah. if something happens that i can't fix, i'll have to reinsatll :-/ |
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| 21:15.46 | enouf | krazykit: just don't upgrade for a while .. it'll catch up .. |
| 21:16.06 | krazykit | eventually |
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| 21:16.31 | krazykit | if i totally break something, i won't ask anyway. i know what i'm doing is unsupported |
| 21:16.54 | n | i want my soundcard to work - no linux driver found and it dosent seem to work now :) sarge with audigy ls |
| 21:17.26 | rainabba | 3.1 r4 is still fairly up-2-date? |
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| 21:17.45 | abrotman | 3.1r5 now |
| 21:18.15 | abrotman | ask #alsa |
| 21:18.34 | enouf | rainabba: note in that anadtech article about the Asus P5W-DH Deluxe ->> (supports RAID 10 by combining iCH7R drives with Sil4723 drives) |
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| 21:20.10 | bzed | n: ls? or es? |
| 21:20.17 | n | LS |
| 21:20.36 | n | Creative Sound Blaster Audigy LS |
| 21:20.56 | abrotman | which kernel ? |
| 21:21.00 | bzed | n: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix << can't find it in there. you wanna ask in #alsa |
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| 21:22.36 | n | kernel 2.6.8-3-k7-smp sor so :) |
| 21:22.41 | n | i'll try alsa |
| 21:23.40 | h3sp4wn | n: It is supported by alsa now |
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| 21:24.10 | n | h3sp4wn so what can i do ? :) |
| 21:24.33 | h3sp4wn | n: try sarge 2.6.18 or etch |
| 21:24.38 | h3sp4wn | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 21:24.39 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 21:25.31 | h3sp4wn | n: Is it usb ? |
| 21:25.48 | abrotman | n: is it a workstation ? |
| 21:26.16 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: there's a sarge 2.6.20 now |
| 21:26.20 | n | the soundcard is pci and its just my home pc |
| 21:26.23 | rainabba | Would it be reasonable to install r4 and update to r5? |
| 21:26.27 | abrotman | n: use the etch installer |
| 21:26.33 | abrotman | rainabba: tha'ts fine |
| 21:26.51 | n | do i have to update to etch so? |
| 21:26.56 | n | :/ |
| 21:27.08 | abrotman | you can do it that way ... |
| 21:27.12 | abrotman | !tell n about sarge->Etch |
| 21:27.19 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: But there is no 2.6.20 in debian - thats no different to saying install a kanotix or sidux kernel |
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| 21:27.28 | dererk | Does anyone know which app replace apache2-ssl-certificate on apache2.2 ? |
| 21:27.30 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: i know |
| 21:27.46 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: i think they used the debian-kernel source archives to do it |
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| 21:28.17 | enouf | rainabba: sarge 3.1r4 you mean? |
| 21:28.20 | bzed | reminds me that I wanted 2.6.20 with a default debian config to share |
| 21:28.25 | rainabba | enouf: yes |
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| 21:28.31 | enouf | rainabba: sarge won't recognize your hardware |
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| 21:28.42 | enouf | rainabba: use a daily etch |
| 21:28.51 | intrade | does one need special sata driver installed befor you load windows or do i remember that wrongly? |
| 21:28.55 | n | h3sp4wn and etch supports my soundcard on the run? |
| 21:29.21 | intrade | etch just use alsa |
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| 21:29.40 | intrade | almost any sound card runs on alsa |
| 21:29.44 | rainabba | enouf: daily etch? That would be the most recent build of "etch"? |
| 21:30.03 | enouf | rainabba: yes .. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:30.07 | Flaminguican | rainabba: daily builds will be the least stable. |
| 21:30.40 | enouf | Flaminguican: not necessarily |
| 21:30.50 | enouf | Flaminguican: not with all the recent breakage |
| 21:30.57 | Flaminguican | Ah |
| 21:31.05 | enouf | !today |
| 21:31.05 | dpkg | i guess today is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 21:31.13 | n | intrade so i try that "alsa" oO |
| 21:31.13 | enouf | !nie |
| 21:31.13 | dpkg | HearYe, HearYe, All Hail! :: See what's New In Etch http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch .. changes from Sarge, technical issues when doing a Sarge2EtchUpgrade, etc .. ask me about <initramfs>, and see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch .. See current and past issues; http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 21:31.32 | intrade | !alsa |
| 21:33.25 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 21:33.26 | alnr | how would one install (list) a package from stable into a testing system? change sources somehow? |
| 21:33.26 | intrade | do in konsole |
| 21:33.27 | intrade | alsa conf |
| 21:33.27 | intrade | change sources |
| 21:33.27 | intrade | with root file manager alnr |
| 21:33.27 | intrade | its in /etc/apt |
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| 21:33.28 | intrade | sources.lst |
| 21:33.29 | abrotman | stop hitting enter |
| 21:33.29 | alnr | intrade: thank you |
| 21:33.30 | bzed | alnr: which kind of package? something proprietary? or do you ahve the source? |
| 21:33.30 | rainabba | enouf: You're saying I should use? |
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| 21:33.31 | rainabba | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:33.31 | alnr | bzed: i need to get back to 4.0 of mysql for a minute |
| 21:33.31 | enouf | rainabba: yes .. grab the daily netisnataller |
| 21:33.32 | n | well thx i'll try to get alsa running :) l8 |
| 21:33.34 | intrade | stay here |
| 21:33.36 | intrade | n |
| 21:33.42 | intrade | all done online |
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| 21:33.44 | bzed | alnr: http://packages.debian.org - you could download them there and just install the debs by using dpkg -i |
| 21:33.50 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, even a blind chicken (me) get a grain every once in a while. I booted and at the grub ui I hit "c". There I typed "root (" , hit the tab button and was given the coice which included hd0,1 I entered this info "root (hd0,1) and hit enter. Next I typed "kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlin" and hit tab button and was given the completion of vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686. I entered this information... |
| 21:33.51 | intrade | just open a konsole shell |
| 21:33.52 | Red_Cloud | ...and hit enter. Next I typed "initrd (hd0,1)/boot/init" and hit tab. I was given "initrd.img-2-6-18-3-686. I entered this information and hit enter. I then typed boot and hit enter. My partition started booting but after much booting I got this to screen: "/bin/sh: can't access tty; Job control turned off" My prompt was then at (initramfs) _ What to do? |
| 21:34.03 | alnr | bzed: oh thats sounds good, since i do see the package on there |
| 21:34.06 | enouf | rainabba: is this a mission-critical server? .. or what's it's purpose? desktop ? |
| 21:34.07 | bzed | intrade: STOP hitting enter. |
| 21:34.19 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: you forgot to set root |
| 21:34.28 | h3sp4wn | n: I believe so Sound Blaster LS is in the matrix looks to be the right one |
| 21:34.34 | enouf | intrade: please stop hitting enter after one or two words |
| 21:35.04 | intrade | bzed: what are you on about i write a message i dont think i hit enetr after 2 words???????? |
| 21:35.10 | n | intrade what u mean? |
| 21:35.18 | bzed | alnr: you could run into some proken dependencies, though. just give it a try. in the worst case you can re-compile it for etch. |
| 21:35.24 | Red_Cloud | abrotman I forgot to tell you that I entered " kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz-2-6-18-3-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro" |
| 21:35.45 | abrotman | intrade: are you using kanotix ? |
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| 21:35.49 | bzed | intrade: scroll up and have a look on your own lines |
| 21:36.01 | intrade | yup kanotix with etch sources |
| 21:36.02 | bzed | alnr: *broken |
| 21:36.02 | rainabba | enouf: I need this server to be solid and it will host VMs that will be used for development. Basically, I want to make the most of this hardware and hope to not have to concern myself with this OS once it's up and running (except for significant updates). |
| 21:36.06 | alnr | bzed: tx is a low value vm in any case |
| 21:36.08 | enouf | Red_Cloud: remove the hd0,1 from in front of kernel |
| 21:36.24 | Red_Cloud | abrotman /dev/hda3 is what is in my fstab file |
| 21:36.25 | intrade | my text looks fine on here???? |
| 21:36.28 | cwheeler | I have a bunch of .deb files in a directory what's the best way to install the app and the dependancies it needs? |
| 21:36.35 | abrotman | !tell intrade about ep |
| 21:36.37 | bzed | alnr: why not install a recent version? should be able to convert the DBs without a problem |
| 21:36.37 | enouf | Red_Cloud: want to see a pastebin of a typical menu.lst? |
| 21:36.38 | Red_Cloud | enouf will do |
| 21:36.47 | Red_Cloud | enouf yep |
| 21:36.50 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: you have to tell grub where / is :) |
| 21:37.19 | enouf | rainabba: well .. you can either use a Backported kernel and Sarge, or use Etch which is soon to be releasesd as stable .. your choice |
| 21:37.22 | n | h3sp4wn i think that alsa supporty that card and i just looking on that alsa page to figure out how to run it |
| 21:37.27 | intrade | !paste |
| 21:37.27 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 21:37.33 | bzed | !tell intrade about enter |
| 21:37.35 | alnr | bzed: actually i'm maintaining a mysql driver, just got it to work on 4.1/5, now have to mk sure it still works on 4.0 :) |
| 21:37.35 | Red_Cloud | abrotman you mean in the root=/dev/hda3 ? |
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| 21:37.50 | bzed | alnr: ah ok :) |
| 21:37.55 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: in grub .. |
| 21:38.20 | intrade | i dont hit enter after 2 words i hit enter on this text after 14 words |
| 21:38.22 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: set root to .. (hd0,2) .. or something like that |
| 21:38.37 | abrotman | <intrade> do in konsole |
| 21:38.37 | abrotman | <intrade> alsa conf |
| 21:38.37 | abrotman | <intrade> change sources |
| 21:38.49 | enouf | rainabba: the backports are "unoffficial" .. yet stable, but not security supported necessarily, and you need to learn more about the diffs, i'd go with Etch though and leave "etch" (not "testing") as the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:38.54 | h3sp4wn | n: the alsa in sarge is very old you would probably have an easier time upgrading to etch (or you can /msg dpkg b.p.o |
| 21:39.07 | abrotman | i'd just go to etch |
| 21:39.14 | enouf | Red_Cloud: getting to it now .. hang bro |
| 21:39.23 | intrade | abrotman: tell N |
| 21:39.28 | Red_Cloud | enouf ok |
| 21:39.29 | bzed | intrade: you've managed to split 14 words across 5 lines which would have been good in one line |
| 21:39.33 | rainabba | enouf: So for a Core2Dou to run the distro you're suggesting, this would be good? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/ia64/iso-cd/debian-testing-ia64-netinst.iso |
| 21:39.33 | abrotman | w t f |
| 21:39.48 | h3sp4wn | n: Its a pain using a seperate alsa-driver from the kernel you are using |
| 21:39.57 | bzed | rainabba: no |
| 21:40.14 | rainabba | bzed: i386 then (this has confused me for ages)? |
| 21:40.15 | bzed | rainabba: those are for the itanium cpus |
| 21:40.19 | enouf | Red_Cloud: http://pastebin.ca/400728 |
| 21:40.20 | bzed | rainabba: you wanna use amd64 |
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| 21:40.44 | bzed | rainabba: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64 |
| 21:40.45 | enouf | Red_Cloud: everything after the 'ro' on the Kernel line is my own kernel params .. ignore those |
| 21:40.58 | Red_Cloud | enouf thanks & will do |
| 21:41.37 | enouf | rainabba: no ia64 is not anything but iTanium |
| 21:41.39 | n | h3sp4wn why is it ? |
| 21:41.52 | enouf | rainabba: /msg dpkg ia64 |
| 21:41.54 | rainabba | AMD64 is for EMT64 now? |
| 21:41.57 | Red_Cloud | Well, I am off to try it again. Thanks abrotman and enouf |
| 21:41.59 | enouf | rainabba: yes |
| 21:42.20 | rainabba | That's counter-intuitive |
| 21:42.22 | h3sp4wn | n: everytime you get a new kernel you have to rebuild the modules |
| 21:42.30 | enouf | rainabba: but true 64bit ... and AMD64 was always em64t .. just intel sucks ass sometimes |
| 21:42.46 | enouf | rainabba: not at all |
| 21:43.02 | rainabba | AMD for an Intel chip. Not a contradiction? |
| 21:43.07 | enouf | rainabba: em64t was intel's name for amd64 |
| 21:43.15 | n | h3sp4wn i'm just getting consufed :/ |
| 21:43.17 | bzed | rainabba: amd invented it and intel was too late |
| 21:43.22 | rainabba | Ohhh |
| 21:43.31 | enouf | not in 64bit kernel land |
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| 21:44.08 | rainabba | Anyone know any reason I shouldn't go 64bit to run a Xen host on a Core2Duo CPU? |
| 21:44.21 | rainabba | I'm only educated enough to be dangerous here. |
| 21:44.29 | bzed | you wanna do that in 64bit :) |
| 21:44.40 | enouf | rainabba: the names have been merged as far as kernel and linux-images go .. read what dpkg told you and follow the urls and read some more |
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| 21:45.17 | rainabba | Then this is good? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:45.23 | bzed | yes |
| 21:45.36 | enouf | rainabba: 64bit is fine for your purposes.. you're not looking for 32bit userland flashshiot |
| 21:45.52 | rainabba | flashshiot? |
| 21:45.53 | enouf | rainabba: yep |
| 21:46.02 | enouf | flashcrap .. any better :-) |
| 21:46.08 | bzed | rainabba: adobe's flash is not yet avaiable for 64bit |
| 21:46.19 | rainabba | Ohh, ok. No impact there. |
| 21:46.20 | h3sp4wn | xen is less reliable on 64 bit still (but getting better) |
| 21:47.17 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: Would you chance it for now so that only a Xen update is required later (as opposed to Xen AND a complete OS rebuild) ? |
| 21:47.51 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: I would probably chance it anyway unless it was for my job |
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| 21:48.08 | n | well i give it up for now - to tired and it doesnt seem to work anytime soon for me :/ |
| 21:48.10 | rainabba | If I use the netinstall, will I see significant bandwidth (> 10Mb) during install? If not, could I get the files another way (that will be fast), then host them locally? |
| 21:49.07 | bzed | rainabba: depends on hwo much you're goign to install,. I guess it'll pull about 100-200MB |
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| 21:49.19 | rainabba | Ohh, that's not bad at all. |
| 21:49.28 | rainabba | I just don't want to be pulling 4GB at 200k :) |
| 21:49.39 | Langly1 | grr |
| 21:49.48 | rainabba | Not when I can pull 1.5MB/sec here :) (15Mb down, 1Mb up) |
| 21:49.53 | biopyte | hi. splitting pdf can be done with e.g. 'pdftk'. any other recommendations? |
| 21:50.32 | bzed | rainabba: I've installed full desktops at 200k, works well. in the worst case go and drink some beer while it's downloading ;) |
| 21:50.42 | Langly1 | I've got a system I just fully got xorg fully configured and working on, BUT now if I exit xorg or switch to another conole the console goes to something I cant support WHICH as long as I dont start xorg is fine after initial boot |
| 21:50.48 | Langly1 | any ideas on how to fix that? |
| 21:50.50 | rainabba | Mmm beer :P |
| 21:51.00 | Langly1 | like its using something odd for console after I got xorg setup |
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| 21:51.16 | Langly1 | happens even if I set xorg to 640x480 before switchin |
| 21:51.27 | bzed | biopyte: pdfedit |
| 21:51.31 | Langly1 | its refresh rate related, not size |
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| 21:52.12 | biopyte | bzed: ty |
| 21:52.12 | bzed | !beer rainabba |
| 21:53.42 | rainabba | What a useful channel (and generous) |
| 21:54.57 | intrade | ok look screenshot no where posted 1 line over 5 on my desctop |
| 21:55.02 | intrade | http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshotkonversationww9.jpg |
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| 21:58.24 | slavik | !windows |
| 21:58.24 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
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| 21:58.39 | slavik | !life |
| 21:58.39 | arrenlex | !msg | slavik |
| 21:58.39 | dpkg | from memory, life is what you made by yourself. so if you're saying "life sucks", it is you that sucked. |
| 21:58.50 | slavik | :( |
| 21:58.52 | arrenlex | !msg |
| 21:58.52 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 21:58.55 | slavik | !msg > slavik |
| 21:59.03 | slavik | ahh |
| 21:59.05 | arrenlex | I think dpkg doesn't do redirection. |
| 21:59.11 | slavik | :( |
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| 21:59.28 | Archville | !tell slavik about msg |
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| 21:59.44 | slavik | Archville: I got it already ^^ |
| 21:59.48 | Archville | :) |
| 22:00.13 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 22:01.37 | dury | is it possible to download sarge 3.1 with 2.6 kernel? |
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| 22:02.56 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | hey guys, https://88.100.220.169/index.html could anybod pls try if this generates scripts.... I am just wondering if it's my java or the applet... |
| 22:03.04 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | ): |
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| 22:04.41 | Red_Cloud | Well, I am making progress toward getting my debian partition to boot. Now it boots for quite a while, then I get this to screen: "Begin : Mounting root file system... ...." "/init: /init/ 149: divide by zero" "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" |
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| 22:04.46 | cusco | hello |
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| 22:05.44 | cusco | I had a network wireless card and tryed it out with madwifi.. but there are some issues that still need to be sorted with madwifi, so I thought I use another atheros card I have arround |
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| 22:06.16 | Red_Cloud | enouf abrotman any ideas? abrotman you mentioned that I need to tell grub on which partition root was. Can you clarify? |
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| 22:06.19 | cusco | this machine is a brand new machine.. this card was working ona older machine running etch that I have arround |
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| 22:06.42 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: root (hd0,2) |
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| 22:07.04 | cusco | now when I modprobe ath_pci (madwifi module) my system freezes, and when I reboot it won't get past some acpi irq level low mensage |
| 22:07.16 | cusco | unless I take the card out and remove the madwifi modules |
| 22:07.17 | Red_Cloud | abrotman I am confused. Why root (hd0,2) instead of hd0,1 ? |
| 22:07.31 | cusco | ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:03:03.0[A] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IREQ 209 |
| 22:07.31 | abrotman | which parition is / on ? |
| 22:07.40 | cusco | IRQ 209 |
| 22:07.59 | cusco | while booting I won't get past that |
| 22:08.02 | cusco | what does it mean? |
| 22:08.12 | h3sp4wn | cusco: tried asking #madwifi ? (they are helpful but take a while to respond) |
| 22:08.18 | cusco | it happens just after loading ath_pci mod |
| 22:08.30 | cusco | h3sp4wn: Im trying as well... cheers |
| 22:08.55 | Red_Cloud | abrotman I thought that it was on hd0,1 but I will try hd0,2. Should I change the other stuff to hd0,2 also like kernel? and initrd? |
| 22:09.23 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: grub starts at 0 .. fstab starts at 1 |
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| 22:10.21 | Langly1 | Anyone at all that can help with my xorg problem? |
| 22:10.43 | Red_Cloud | abrotman yes. Are we talking about the first line of the menu.lst: root (hd0,1) or are we talking about the kernel line that has root=/dev/dha3 ? |
| 22:10.45 | JordiGH | Langly1: What was the question? |
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| 22:11.04 | enouf | Red_Cloud: those have to match up |
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| 22:11.24 | Langly1 | I've got a system I just fully got xorg fully configured and working on, BUT now if I exit xorg or switch to another conole the console goes to something I cant support WHICH as long as I dont start xorg is fine after initial boot - (Debian install) |
| 22:11.24 | Langly1 | like its using something odd for console after I got xorg setup |
| 22:11.24 | Langly1 | happens even if I set xorg to 640x480 before switching |
| 22:11.24 | Langly1 | its refresh rate related, not size any ideas how to fix that |
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| 22:11.29 | Langly1 | grr sorry |
| 22:11.34 | Red_Cloud | enouf doesn't root=/dev/hda3 need to match my fstab file? |
| 22:11.37 | enouf | Red_Cloud: hd0 is 1st HDD hd0,1 is 1st HDD, 2nd partition |
| 22:11.42 | Langly1 | As I am asking other places I clipboarded the question |
| 22:11.50 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: hda3 is the same as (hd0,2) |
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| 22:12.36 | enouf | Red_Cloud: yes .. hda3 (fstab, and kernel line in grub) == (hd0,2) in grub root entry |
| 22:13.00 | Red_Cloud | OK will do. I will be back. |
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| 22:13.46 | enouf | Red_Cloud: refer to my example paste .. now .. mine says hda3 .. and hote how root (hd0,2) is what's there |
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| 22:13.59 | enouf | s/hote/note |
| 22:14.50 | xand | no |
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| 22:16.23 | plb | does anyone know how to configure a vnc server in linux to start with gdm and show the same display as the local console? |
| 22:16.32 | militant | any quick command or util for fetching cpu temperature? i'm sans thermal grease til tomorrow and i'm curious how bad it is :D |
| 22:17.49 | abrotman | can you smell smoke |
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| 22:18.23 | wintix | militant: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 22:18.56 | militant | no thermal_zone |
| 22:19.07 | militant | something i need to install/configure real fast? |
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| 22:19.42 | intrade | Langly1: try /join #kanotix |
| 22:19.54 | wintix | militant: seems like your kernel doesn't support temperature monitoring for your hardware. |
| 22:19.59 | militant | lame |
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| 22:20.04 | abrotman | intrade: why would he do that if he's using debian ? |
| 22:20.22 | intrade | becouse he gets real help there |
| 22:20.26 | militant | bios was showing 52c, but that was before i had stuff running. i know i'm borderline or worse, on cpu temperature |
| 22:20.37 | abrotman | intrade: please do not do that ... you're not even using debian |
| 22:20.46 | cusco | mine shows: temperature: -271 C |
| 22:20.48 | intrade | i run etch |
| 22:20.55 | rainabba | I've booted the netinstaller and I'm at the partition screen(s). All 5 of my drives show (4 are participating in a raid array on the ICH8R controller though there's no indication so I expect it's using AHCI right now. From here can/how do I go about creating LVM or MD devices? |
| 22:21.08 | abrotman | intrade: no .. you run kanotix .. that is NOT etch |
| 22:21.31 | intrade | did you look at my imageshack? proof taht i dont post over 5 lines was posted there |
| 22:21.45 | intrade | http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshotkonversationww9.jpg |
| 22:21.51 | abrotman | i don't care .. you're not running debian |
| 22:22.14 | intrade | some people seem to have buggy irc clients on here |
| 22:22.34 | rainabba | intrade: was one of those lines long? |
| 22:22.35 | intrade | look a tmy images hack image no flood or anything like it |
| 22:22.36 | abrotman | some people are obtuse |
| 22:22.51 | rainabba | Ohh damn, he called you obtuse ;) |
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| 22:23.11 | plb | it must suck being an angle greater than 90 degrees |
| 22:23.15 | intrade | lucky i dont know what that is |
| 22:23.17 | abrotman | let's see .. many people in here said you were doing .. you're the only one saying you didn't .. who has the buggy client ... |
| 22:23.26 | rainabba | intrade: You haven't graduated HS yet? |
| 22:24.04 | intrade | i post on 4 other channels only complaints are from here that my lines are spread over 5 lines etc |
| 22:24.17 | abrotman | Langly1: which driver are you using ? |
| 22:25.17 | militant | intrade not that it's my business, i'm new here and all, but... you shouldn't argue and complain with people, follow the rules or go elsewhere is my suggestion. and no, i don't care to argue with you, i have nothing further to say. these fine folks have been quite helpful, is the only reason i'm speaking up in the first place. |
| 22:25.43 | plb | so any ideas configuring vnc to show the same display as the local console |
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| 22:26.21 | intrade | i know numerous people have complained of being kied off here for no reason i always wonderd why |
| 22:26.31 | abrotman | it's your fault |
| 22:27.48 | rainabba | Is it possible to setup RAID during install using the netinstaller? |
| 22:27.51 | lunitik | plb: umm... that's how every VNC I've used works... you basically control the same desktop on both boxes... |
| 22:27.57 | intrade | of corse its my fault seems to be the attitude why you kick people its never your fauls |
| 22:27.59 | abrotman | rainabba: hw or sw ? |
| 22:28.09 | lunitik | plb: It actually annoyed me, because that's not what I wanted of it |
| 22:28.21 | lunitik | intrade: shut up already... |
| 22:28.37 | nivanson | intrade: yeah, i agree it's your fault. |
| 22:28.47 | plb | lunitik: tightvncserver is spawning it's own X server |
| 22:28.49 | rainabba | intrade: You're being treated well based on what I've seen nearly ANYWHERE else on IRC. You'd have been booted long ago for wasting lines. Just chill already. |
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| 22:29.04 | rainabba | Be acute, not obtuse :) |
| 22:29.26 | lunitik | plb: I used tightvnc, and various others... both systems could see what each other were doing still |
| 22:29.29 | rainabba | abrotman: sw using 4 SATA drives |
| 22:29.37 | abrotman | you can setup sw raid during install |
| 22:29.55 | lunitik | rainabba: nivanson: STOP letting it continue, ignore him or something :/ |
| 22:29.55 | rainabba | abrotman: Should I be looking in the menus, or falling back to cli? |
| 22:30.09 | abrotman | rainabba: the install guide should cover this |
| 22:30.09 | abrotman | !ig |
| 22:30.10 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4). |
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| 22:30.11 | rainabba | lunitik: Good call, I forget some times |
| 22:30.18 | peyote | plb: try x11vnc |
| 22:30.34 | rainabba | abrotman: ty |
| 22:31.18 | intrade | waste of time here by |
| 22:31.26 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 22:31.35 | scv | lol |
| 22:31.43 | lunitik | BY WHO? |
| 22:31.46 | streuner | apt, lolstats |
| 22:31.47 | apt | total count of lol on #debian: 10908 |
| 22:31.58 | scv | lol |
| 22:32.25 | lunitik | 5,000 of them are by scv |
| 22:32.31 | wintix | hehe |
| 22:32.53 | militant | good riddence. |
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| 22:33.12 | rainabba | Someone please tell me I'm not supposed to be interpreting "B.4.5. Partitioning using RAID" to create and install to RAID. |
| 22:33.19 | militant | this dork on #2600 efnet has it scripted to yell LOSERS ON LINE every time someone says 'lol' |
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| 22:33.37 | rainabba | Yah, that's way more cool |
| 22:33.46 | abrotman | militant: in msg .. i'm all for it :) |
| 22:34.00 | wad | lol |
| 22:34.00 | abrotman | rainabba: url ? |
| 22:34.07 | rainabba | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-partman-raid |
| 22:34.41 | abrotman | eh .. i don't htink so |
| 22:34.52 | rainabba | Maybe I'm spoiled, but Fedora made this quite intuitive. |
| 22:35.28 | abrotman | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-partition |
| 22:35.38 | abrotman | rainabba: preseeding is for an unattended install |
| 22:35.39 | streuner | maybe we need the Inquisition back? |
| 22:35.58 | abrotman | streuner: which one ? |
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| 22:36.25 | enouf | rainabba: that's the preseeding section you have .. |
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| 22:36.30 | streuner | abrotman: choose one here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition |
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| 22:36.47 | enouf | rainabba: secondly .. get the correct ig for your arch |
| 22:36.55 | wad | Quick question about postfix. I just set it up (under Etch), but the default mail.cf has no entry for the home_mailbox directive. Why is that? Can I just set it to Maildir/ myself? Or is that the default? |
| 22:36.58 | enouf | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch06s03.html rainabba |
| 22:37.02 | rainabba | abrotman: Much better |
| 22:37.10 | abrotman | rainabba: uhm .. i didn't know you were using amd64 |
| 22:37.31 | streuner | abrotman: nah, there wasn't a german one :-) |
| 22:37.34 | rainabba | It matters here? |
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| 22:37.38 | Xteven | hi, has anyone tried encfs ? |
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| 22:38.11 | JordiGH | I have an encrypted harddrive, but I'm not sure exactly how it's done. It's all LVM magic |
| 22:38.11 | enouf | rainabba: why don't you compare the minor diffs and tell us what they are ;-) |
| 22:38.12 | k31th | guys how would I find the pid file for a application. It was not installed from a .deb it is just a perl script the application is ASSP (anti spam). |
| 22:38.13 | JordiGH | to me |
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| 22:38.29 | enouf | rainabba: be sure to cover the whole ig now :-p |
| 22:38.31 | abrotman | k31th: they don't all have a pid file |
| 22:38.42 | abrotman | k31th: most go in /var/run/ |
| 22:38.58 | JordiGH | Xteven: ^^ |
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| 22:39.19 | k31th | abrotman: I see, i am trying to setup monit to monitor. atm it trys to check that assp is running by checking for a pid file. |
| 22:39.37 | abrotman | any other way to check ? |
| 22:39.56 | k31th | abrotman: well it checks the tcp port |
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| 22:40.05 | k31th | then checks to see if there is a pidfile. |
| 22:40.16 | Xteven | JordiGH : I see |
| 22:40.31 | Xteven | JordiGH : I have a strange undocumented problem and don't know where to turn |
| 22:40.31 | abrotman | so look in /var/run/ |
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| 22:40.38 | abrotman | but not every app has one |
| 22:40.51 | Zeug | does anyone here use linux on an IBM Thinkpad T41? |
| 22:40.51 | Xteven | I suppose I should set logging on for PAM-stuff, but I'm not sure where |
| 22:41.07 | streuner | Zeug: /msg dpkg laptops |
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| 22:41.27 | amphi | Zeug: on a t42 here |
| 22:41.31 | pickcoder | k31th: have it write a pid file when it starts and add to that a start script that checks for existing pid files and processes for clean-up |
| 22:41.35 | Zeug | amphi, how do you like it? |
| 22:41.40 | pickcoder | provided it doesn't already do that |
| 22:41.56 | amphi | Zeug: the machine? I like it |
| 22:41.57 | Zeug | i am looking for a good laptop for linux, and have been looking at thinkpads for a while |
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| 22:42.14 | amphi | Zeug: I like thinkpads - I had a t22 before |
| 22:42.22 | Red_Cloud | abrotman and enouf I have no hd0,2. By using grub tab completion I have hd0,0 (MS), hd0,1 (ext2fs type 83), hd0,3 (solaris), hd0,4 (non-solaris type 82), and hd0,5 (ext2fs type 83) The hd0,5 is a logical partition of hd0,1 which is an extended partition. Whenever i tab complete for kernel and initrd the completion result on hd0,1. |
| 22:42.29 | streuner | abrotman: you aren't at work... http://www.progpalaceradio.com/playing.php |
| 22:42.30 | rainabba | I'm able to create partitions on each of the disks and I Could proceed, but I don't see anything about mdsetup or LVM (unless I go guided) will these come up later, or do I need to drop to cli and do it all by hand? |
| 22:42.31 | Zeug | but i heard some of the T series have a problem where some eventually get garbled screens |
| 22:42.36 | JordiGH | Thinkpads have the Intel chipset, don't they? That means free drivers! |
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| 22:42.42 | k31th | pickcoder: I already did a startup script and used this to check to see if its already running |
| 22:42.47 | k31th | kill -9 `ps ax | grep "perl assp.pl" | grep -v grep | awk '{ print $1 }'` |
| 22:43.00 | JordiGH | rainabba: Are you using the latest etch install? The one with a gui? |
| 22:43.03 | streuner | Zeug: check the URL the factoid will give you |
| 22:43.14 | amphi | Zeug: I like the trackpoint, I hatte trackpads; three buttons is nice, the keyboard is more pleasant for me to use than any other laptop keyboard I've cme across, all the hw works, blah blah |
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| 22:43.29 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: then it's (hd0,5) |
| 22:43.53 | streuner | abrotman: did you see rahul? |
| 22:43.58 | enouf | Red_Cloud: your / is either hda2 or hda6 |
| 22:44.00 | amphi | Zeug: I have had no such problem on either of mine; read up on thinkwiki.org perhaps |
| 22:44.03 | Langly1 | <abrotman> Langly1: which driver are you using ? - just MGA in the xorg config |
| 22:44.07 | abrotman | streuner: see him what ? |
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| 22:44.14 | rainabba | JordiGH: I'm using the etch netinstall for AMD64 (I think) |
| 22:44.16 | Red_Cloud | abrotman ok. Now which line do I change to reflect the hda6? |
| 22:44.18 | enouf | hd0,1 and hd0,5 respectively |
| 22:44.22 | abrotman | Langly1: does it happen when using the vesa driver ? |
| 22:44.23 | streuner | abrotman: in #debian the last 48 hours? |
| 22:44.35 | JordiGH | rainabba: Does it have a GUI? Because guided partitioning will set up LVM for you. |
| 22:44.36 | pickcoder | k31th: Perl |
| 22:44.37 | Zeug | amphi, i found the problem mentioned on thinkwiki.org. anyways, im thinking it probably doesnt affect many |
| 22:44.38 | pickcoder | gah |
| 22:44.39 | enouf | Red_Cloud: kernel line at root= |
| 22:44.41 | abrotman | streuner: eh .. i think he was talking about a concert and then went poof |
| 22:44.45 | pickcoder | Perl's built-in var for pid is $$ |
| 22:44.59 | amphi | Zeug: url? |
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| 22:45.00 | wintix | rainabba: do manual partitioning and create on ech of the to-be-raid-disks a partition as big as the space for the raid should be. then set the type of the partition to something with raid. (don't know the exact phrase) after that you get an extra menupoint configure software raid above the device list. it lets you set up the raid and you get a new raid device with which you can proceed as usual. |
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| 22:45.04 | pickcoder | just write a file, by that name, with that in it to /var/run |
| 22:45.08 | Red_Cloud | enouf I have tried several types of syntax. What exactly would I put on that line? |
| 22:45.09 | streuner | abrotman: hehe... |
| 22:45.16 | enouf | rainabba: make sure to load the dm-raid modules .. IINM |
| 22:45.19 | JordiGH | rainabba: It will also (I keep raving about this) setup an encrypted partition if you want. |
| 22:45.20 | abrotman | why? |
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| 22:45.27 | Zeug | amphi, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_garbled_screen |
| 22:45.29 | k31th | pickcoder: how would I make it write a pid file in the startup script? |
| 22:45.34 | amphi | Zeug: heh, thanks |
| 22:46.11 | streuner | well, he is cool |
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| 22:46.12 | pickcoder | k31th: have the perl program write it when it starts |
| 22:46.12 | pickcoder | just the parent, if it's a threaded or forking app |
| 22:46.13 | Langly1 | ill have to check, I just finally got xorg working, but what ever it uses by default before xorg loads works fine, xorg loads then what ever mode the console uses changes |
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| 22:46.13 | rainabba | enouf: I've not seen a command line yet where I could (if I knew how) load modules |
| 22:46.15 | k31th | pickcoder: I did not make this program. |
| 22:46.20 | Zeug | amphi, doesnt the trackpoint feel a bit awkward? |
| 22:46.23 | Red_Cloud | enouf would I put root=(hd0,5)/dev/hda3 |
| 22:46.26 | pickcoder | k31th: and it's not a .deb so hack it all you want |
| 22:46.30 | enouf | Red_Cloud: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-{kernel-version} root=/dev/hda5 ro ,,-- or hda2 |
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| 22:46.56 | enouf | bah |
| 22:47.03 | lunitik | Or just /vmlinuz with is a symlink to the most recent |
| 22:47.04 | enouf | Red_Cloud: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-{kernel-version} root=/dev/hda5 ro <<-- or hda2 |
| 22:47.13 | Red_Cloud | enouf thanks |
| 22:47.17 | enouf | Red_Cloud: wait |
| 22:47.30 | enouf | Red_Cloud: I'm fcking typoing myself to death here |
| 22:47.45 | Red_Cloud | enouf slow down |
| 22:47.53 | lunitik | nm, I guess Debian doesn't use /vmlinuz heh |
| 22:47.54 | rainabba | Kb is smokin |
| 22:48.06 | Red_Cloud | you don't want to scatter your fingers all over the room. |
| 22:48.09 | amphi | Zeug: no, I like it |
| 22:48.17 | wintix | lunitik: it does |
| 22:48.21 | enouf | Red_Cloud: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-{kernel-version} root=/dev/hda6 ro <<-- or hda2 .. get it? .. 6 or 2 for the kernel and fstab lines Only the root lione should read either (hd0,1) or (hd0,5) |
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| 22:48.38 | amphi | Zeug: in any case, it has a trackpad as well, if you like that sort of thing |
| 22:48.47 | enouf | Red_Cloud: when we say root line, we don't mean root= line |
| 22:48.48 | Red_Cloud | enouf will do. Originally the hda6 was /home |
| 22:49.06 | enouf | Red_Cloud: then try use hda2 |
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| 22:49.14 | spike | hi there |
| 22:49.17 | enouf | and (hd0,1) |
| 22:49.27 | spike | I'm trying to compile a vanilla kernel the debian way |
| 22:49.31 | Red_Cloud | enouf I will try both |
| 22:49.41 | spike | the problem is with the additional mobules I need, namely the nvidia one |
| 22:49.54 | Red_Cloud | enouf will the stuff in fstab interfere with it booting? |
| 22:49.57 | Zeug | amphi, it'd be nice to have both |
| 22:50.03 | lunitik | !tell spike about enter |
| 22:50.12 | wintix | spike: compile the kernel the debian way and use module-assistant to compile the nvidia module |
| 22:50.13 | enouf | Red_Cloud: I recall a few months back you doing something real funky with your partitions ... l |
| 22:50.18 | spike | I've apt-get'ed nvidia-kernel-sources and unpacked it in /usr/src/modules/ |
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| 22:50.24 | Xteven | if I make changes to /etc/pam.d, do I need to restart something ? |
| 22:50.30 | bzed | !tell spike about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:50.35 | Red_Cloud | enouf your not supposed to mention that. |
| 22:50.38 | enouf | Red_Cloud: yes, likely ... so use /init/sh at first |
| 22:50.43 | thorat | (a bit OT) isn't there a keyboard combo in X to emulate middle button click? |
| 22:50.44 | enouf | :-P |
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| 22:50.47 | amphi | Zeug: I disabled my trackpad in the bios ;) |
| 22:50.47 | DawnLight | hey people |
| 22:51.08 | Red_Cloud | well, brb |
| 22:51.08 | lunitik | thorat: no... you can press both keys on a two button mouse however |
| 22:51.22 | lunitik | thorat: if you emulate 3 buttons |
| 22:51.42 | Zeug | amphi, if everyone is like you and doesn't use the trackpad, at least i don't have to worry about getting a thinkpad on ebay with a worn-out trackpad. |
| 22:51.49 | thorat | lunitik: it's shift+insert I was looking for, but thanks |
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| 22:52.06 | enouf | Red_Cloud: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-{kernel-version} root=/dev/hda2 ro single (should get you to single mode only) -- or use root=/init/sh |
| 22:52.19 | helmut | Hi. I'm wondering which package deserves a bugreport. I had to copy /etc/pcmcia/cis/tamarack.dat to /lib/firmware/tamarack.cis to make a NIC work. Now where should the bug be places? pcmciautils for it does not provide tamarack firmware? pcmcia-cs for not placing firmwares to reasonable dirs? udev for not looking at pcmcia-cs firmwares? |
| 22:52.39 | abrotman | what package gives you the firmware ? |
| 22:52.40 | enouf | Redsorry again .. hold a sec |
| 22:52.45 | helmut | abrotman: pcmcia-cs |
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| 22:53.12 | abrotman | i'd say that one then |
| 22:53.47 | helmut | abrotman: well that package actually tells me I should use pcmciautils instead, but pcmciautils doesn't know about firmwares. |
| 22:54.17 | abrotman | stupid firmware |
| 22:54.19 | helmut | abrotman: I think there should be a change like the one suse did (like putting firmwares in pcmciautils). |
| 22:54.27 | abrotman | helmut: but the package still put it in the wrong place you say |
| 22:54.51 | helmut | abrotman: not really. when using an older kernel pcmcia-cs can be used and locates the firmware correctly. |
| 22:55.06 | helmut | abrotman: newer kernels don't know about the pcmcia-cs interface, so udev loads the firmware |
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| 22:55.10 | abrotman | then it's double that packages fault! |
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| 22:55.43 | abrotman | helmut: pcmcia-cs sounds right .. and if it's wrong .. the maintainer will reassign |
| 22:55.58 | militant | heh |
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| 22:56.10 | abrotman | streuner: how do you listen to this stuff ... |
| 22:56.11 | militant | debian has shown itself to be a nice distro. i guess i'm putting it on the laptop right now |
| 22:56.22 | DawnLight | anyone know what i can use to edit the adderssbook .db file that evolution uses? |
| 22:56.45 | helmut | abrotman: ok. thanks! |
| 22:56.45 | JordiGH | !cheer Debian |
| 22:56.50 | JordiGH | !praise Debian |
| 22:57.03 | militant | heh |
| 22:57.19 | militant | booting the netinstall cd now. hmm. i'm thinking everything's gonna be debian except my playbox, gentoo |
| 22:57.24 | abrotman | DawnLight: with evolution |
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| 22:57.33 | DawnLight | doh! |
| 22:57.34 | Red_Cloud | enouf and abrotman I am now chatting to you from my debian OS. Thanks very much for all of your patience. Hope that you enjoyed the laughs. |
| 22:57.44 | streuner | abrotman: matter of taste, about 50 percent i like... |
| 22:57.59 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: did you fix grub ? |
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| 22:58.09 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: you'll have to tell grub how to do that permanently |
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| 22:58.25 | Red_Cloud | enouf & abrotman I learned quite a lot this time around. Tab completion is wonderful. enouf what fixed the problem was root=/dev/hda2. I guess solaris changed that for me. |
| 22:58.56 | Red_Cloud | abrotman thanks for your patience. |
| 22:59.07 | militant | hmmm i wonder if that's my cd drive... |
| 22:59.08 | abrotman | i guess solaris sucks! |
| 22:59.15 | militant | it's failing to read the disk properly, even though it booted from it? |
| 22:59.28 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, it is NOT a good start for me with solaris |
| 22:59.31 | enouf | dpkg: say welcome back Red_Cloud |
| 22:59.31 | dpkg | welcome back Red_Cloud |
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| 22:59.42 | wintix | hehe |
| 22:59.45 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: i used to really enjoy working with solaris .. i probably would if i got into it again |
| 23:00.03 | enouf | Red_Cloud: btw one of your partitions .. hda4? is swap and will say linux/solaris |
| 23:00.06 | Red_Cloud | but the Linux community may sometimes tire of me and wish me "good riddance" |
| 23:00.14 | DawnLight | there are many emails listed there that are not in the email field and that is required for the "To" auto completion to work... so i was thinking if there was a scripty way of fixing this... |
| 23:00.33 | Red_Cloud | enouf yeah it used to be hda5 |
| 23:01.03 | DawnLight | man! if i only knew a programming language |
| 23:01.10 | mateuszk | Hi, I would like to use xserver-xorg-core as it has a bug fix so beryl might work.. however its still in experimental and installing it shows error when starting X which is about unresolved symbol in libdri.so.. Any ideas when xorg-core 7.2 will be usable? |
| 23:01.30 | wols_ | DawnLight: start learning. things like python are very easy to learn |
| 23:01.45 | Red_Cloud | Well, now I am going to uninstall solaris and reinstall it. I selected English/US and it activated English/European. bummer! |
| 23:01.57 | rainabba | DawnLight: The language is the easy part, learning how to USE it is where it gets tricky. Like the difference between speaking English AND Spanish, or being a linguist. |
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| 23:02.33 | rainabba | It comes down to critical thinking skills |
| 23:03.00 | DawnLight | well perhaps i'll learn but do you know if i can use some program to open the evolution contacts .db? |
| 23:03.31 | intruder_ | rainabba: it comes down to coffee and headache, like if you were making puzzles all day long :P |
| 23:04.50 | militant | hmmm |
| 23:05.20 | militant | cd drive on my laptop seems to fail. what other options do i have? i dno't think a 128mb usb stick would work...? |
| 23:06.13 | wols_ | DawnLight: it's a standard bsddb it seems |
| 23:06.38 | enouf | rainabba: the modules are chosen during setup ... i take it your using the newer gui for etch .. there's the loadable modules list screen |
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| 23:07.05 | DawnLight | militant, why wouldn't the usb stick work? |
| 23:07.32 | militant | i didn't think 128mb would be enough? |
| 23:07.41 | DawnLight | wols_, and what opens that? |
| 23:07.44 | wols_ | militant: businesscard CD |
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| 23:08.10 | DawnLight | militant, isn't the net install cd iso 40 mb? |
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| 23:08.19 | nivanson | DawnLight: that would be the mini iso |
| 23:08.21 | wols_ | DawnLight: libdb does |
| 23:08.25 | kjxxxx | -\]='; |
| 23:08.25 | Xteven | hi can anyone see me ? |
| 23:08.29 | nivanson | Xteven: yes |
| 23:08.33 | Xteven | ah ok |
| 23:08.38 | Xteven | makes me feel better already ;) |
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| 23:08.50 | DawnLight | wols_, does openoffice use that? |
| 23:08.55 | Ankman | hehe |
| 23:08.57 | ofirg | how do I add esd sound? |
| 23:09.04 | militant | wols_ businesscard cd? |
| 23:09.18 | enouf | ofirg: install esound? |
| 23:09.19 | Ankman | to what? |
| 23:09.20 | nivanson | buisinesscard cd is the mini iso |
| 23:09.39 | DawnLight | well militant there is a really small cd. i've used it - really cool |
| 23:09.42 | wols_ | militant: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 23:09.46 | wols_ | 32MB |
| 23:09.48 | Ankman | esd is a sound daemon |
| 23:09.56 | militant | wols_ and just stick it on usb stick?? |
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| 23:10.14 | enouf | not on my system |
| 23:10.19 | wols_ | militant: no. there are howtos out there for what you want to do |
| 23:10.23 | militant | ahh |
| 23:10.23 | militant | ok |
| 23:10.44 | militant | kuz it boots from cd but randomly fails to read the disk during the module loading and stuff |
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| 23:12.17 | militant | maybe i'll skip it for right now. i don't feel like messing with anything complex at the moment |
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| 23:14.02 | ofirg | enouf, next to esound there was esd plugin for gstreamer which was what I thought I needed |
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| 23:15.18 | ofirg | but still I don't here the mp3 I play in totem |
| 23:15.26 | enouf | ofirg: dunno ..don't use that crap .. all i did was apt-cache search esound |
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| 23:16.02 | tesuki | if I set the vga= on the kernel loading line and the screen turns black what is wrong. is it that the screen cannot handel the resultion or that the framebuffer drivers isn't icluded in the default debian kernel compilation? |
| 23:16.09 | abrotman | streuner: that really sucks :) |
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| 23:16.25 | ofirg | enouf, ok, I have to use it for freenx |
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| 23:18.13 | rainabba | This still true? "There is one limitation with Linux Software RAID that a /boot parition can only reside on a RAID-1 array" |
| 23:18.47 | Xteven | where can I go for problems with pam ? |
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| 23:19.12 | Xteven | rainabba : is still true |
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| 23:19.59 | enouf | rainabba: you should prolly keep /boot on a separate disk |
| 23:20.17 | enouf | er probably* |
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| 23:21.56 | rainabba | the /boot partition only needs to be 100MB right? |
| 23:22.22 | tesuki | I often just use 32MB |
| 23:23.18 | ofirg | anyone knows how to put totem on esd? |
| 23:23.33 | DawnLight | so wols_ what you were saying about what format that evolution .db file was, i've disconnected for a minute. i've tried openoffice base and openoffice calc and they refered it to writer, which obviously didn't show the stuff |
| 23:23.37 | rainabba | LVM goes over RAID which goes on the physical partition right? If so and I want to extend the LVM by adding a disk, can I (being that the LVM is on RAID)? |
| 23:23.40 | militant | hah |
| 23:23.53 | militant | the cd read. it complained but it installed. setting up x/gnome now :D |
| 23:24.30 | wols_ | DawnLight: berkeley db format |
| 23:24.31 | DawnLight | militant, it may be defected |
| 23:24.42 | wols_ | in linux, known as libdb* |
| 23:24.58 | enouf | 32-500MB depending on how many kernels you plan to have .. rainabba |
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| 23:25.24 | DawnLight | wols_, is there a program in the repo to edit such..? |
| 23:25.37 | wols_ | DawnLight: dunno |
| 23:25.41 | enouf | rainabba: yes .. but you have to create the add the disk to the array first ... afaik |
| 23:25.56 | enouf | er .. didn't say that right |
| 23:26.53 | DawnLight | has anyone noticed how much better aptitude is over the syn package manager? |
| 23:27.09 | abrotman | streuner: i can't do it anymore :) |
| 23:27.36 | enouf | rainabba: see http://scotgate.org/?p=107 |
| 23:27.54 | rainabba | enouf: You are the man |
| 23:28.13 | rainabba | So I'd extend the array then extend the LVM? |
| 23:28.48 | enouf | rainabba: that's the way i understand it |
| 23:29.25 | applekid | has anybody had any problems with beryl and xfce4 and synergy? |
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| 23:30.37 | rainabba | Poll: ext3, ReiserFS, JFS, or XFS? |
| 23:31.25 | wols_ | !poll |
| 23:31.25 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 23:31.44 | wols_ | !ext3 |
| 23:31.45 | dpkg | it has been said that ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
| 23:32.10 | rainabba | !xfs |
| 23:32.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures. |
| 23:32.14 | abrotman | rainabba: if you have to ask .. ext3 |
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| 23:32.46 | rainabba | ext3 it is then |
| 23:33.02 | rainabba | Now to figure out how I should partition for the sake of XEN |
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| 23:35.48 | kjxxxx | /[p';ji |
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| 23:36.36 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 23:37.34 | applekid | I think I hosed x :\ |
| 23:37.38 | confrey | I'm trying to compile a wifi module from tar.gz source, but I have this error : make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 23:37.43 | wad | According to the procmail manpage: If no rcfile is found, or processing of the rcfile falls off the end, procmail will store the mail in the default system mailbox. |
| 23:37.54 | wad | How do I set the default system mailbox to Maildir/ insead of mbox? |
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| 23:38.21 | abrotman | depends on your SMTP server |
| 23:38.31 | wad | Ah! |
| 23:38.38 | wad | I just install postfix. |
| 23:38.58 | applekid | if x is dying because it can't load GLcore or speedo modules, any ideas where I should look? |
| 23:39.04 | wad | And I have this line in main.cf: home_mailbox = Maildir/ |
| 23:39.11 | wad | But this doesn't seem to have any effect. |
| 23:40.12 | abrotman | for postfix ? |
| 23:40.31 | abrotman | did you restart postfix ? |
| 23:40.34 | wad | yes |
| 23:40.39 | abrotman | and did you send yourself an email ? |
| 23:40.40 | wad | and yes |
| 23:40.43 | wad | :) |
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| 23:40.57 | abrotman | where'd the email go ? |
| 23:40.58 | wad | I open it in "mail", and it saves it to "~/mbox" |
| 23:41.31 | abrotman | home_mailbox = Maildir/ |
| 23:41.35 | wols_ | wad: add a "/" at the end of your mailpath and it's saved to Maildir format |
| 23:41.53 | wad | I've already got that in posfix's main.cf file |
| 23:41.53 | abrotman | though using Maildir/ may save you some hassle on other items |
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| 23:42.20 | wad | home_mailbox = Maildir/ |
| 23:42.24 | wad | That line is in main.cf |
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| 23:43.02 | abrotman | wad: is there another home_mailbox line ? |
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| 23:43.16 | wad | nope. |
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| 23:43.22 | wad | Here, you can see the file.... |
| 23:43.28 | abrotman | make superdoublesure you've restarted postfix |
| 23:43.34 | wols_ | streuner: this progpalace, shouldn't it be called "hairpalace"? |
| 23:43.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:43.47 | mlk | anyone here who can help me with the fstab file? |
| 23:43.58 | namit | hey wad have poped in. So lads any mor eon this |
| 23:44.05 | wad | http://wadhome.org/~wad/files/main.cf.txt |
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| 23:44.17 | wad | namit was helping me in #postfix. :) |
| 23:44.19 | namit | mlk: what ya need help with |
| 23:44.24 | wad | But he had to take a break and eat some toast. |
| 23:44.28 | wols_ | streuner: seriously, I haven't heard a single prog song yet |
| 23:44.31 | namit | did you do locate porcmailrc |
| 23:44.36 | wad | I'll stop and start postfix. |
| 23:44.41 | wad | I have no procmailrc. |
| 23:44.58 | wad | Accordin to the manpage, :If no rcfile is found, or processing of the rcfile falls off the end, procmail will store the mail in the default system mailbox. |
| 23:44.59 | namit | did you run "locate procmailrc"? |
| 23:45.05 | abrotman | right .. but it's going to send it to procmail anyways |
| 23:45.06 | mlk | namit: I'm trying to mount a disk (for storage purposes) in ~/storage and I need help with the options in fstab |
| 23:45.08 | abrotman | i think |
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| 23:45.24 | wad | yes |
| 23:45.35 | wintix | 'locate foo' gives me "locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory" what can i do about that? |
| 23:45.39 | abrotman | that seems bad .. |
| 23:45.40 | abrotman | wintix: updatedb |
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| 23:46.03 | wols_ | wintix: and probably install anarcon |
| 23:46.04 | pickcoder | wad: what does "postconf mailbox_command" say |
| 23:46.05 | abrotman | wad: let me look |
| 23:46.06 | wols_ | anacron |
| 23:46.07 | confrey | I'm trying to compile a wifi module from tar.gz source, but I have this error : make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 23:46.11 | mlk | namit: first of all, when using the default option ~/storage becomes owned by root, which is not what I want |
| 23:46.12 | wintix | abrotman: that was fast. thanks :) |
| 23:46.15 | namit | ok i see so ya want to mount from another computer or from external media |
| 23:46.22 | wintix | wols_: will have a look. thank you |
| 23:46.23 | wad | Here's my main.cf: http://wadhome.org/~wad/files/main.cf.txt |
| 23:46.26 | wols_ | confrey: you lack kernel sources/headers |
| 23:46.31 | mlk | namit: no, it's an internal disk |
| 23:46.34 | liable | confrey: you need the headers for that kernel |
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| 23:46.45 | abrotman | mlk: does the mount point exist ? |
| 23:46.49 | mlk | yes |
| 23:46.52 | abrotman | mlk: what's the FS on the disk ? |
| 23:46.56 | mlk | ext3 |
| 23:46.57 | confrey | liable, I have it |
| 23:46.59 | namit | and you just want people be able to write to it as they like |
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| 23:47.01 | wad | squashbot:/var/log# postconf mailbox_command |
| 23:47.01 | wad | mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail |
| 23:47.19 | mlk | namit: no, it's placed in my homedir and only I must be able to write |
| 23:47.26 | confrey | liable, dariom-laptop:/usr/src/rtl818x-1.0.1-b# ls /usr/src/ |
| 23:47.27 | confrey | linux-headers-2.6.18-4 linux-kbuild-2.6.18 rtl818x-1.0.1-b |
| 23:48.07 | wols_ | confrey: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/build needs to be asymlink to your sources |
| 23:48.26 | liable | confrey: you need linux-headers-2.6.18-4-K7 |
| 23:48.39 | liable | -k7 |
| 23:48.59 | confrey | liable, ok, I install it and try |
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| 23:49.04 | namit | well you mount a hard disk its always going to be mounted as root unless you use soemthing liek fusermoutn |
| 23:49.19 | abrotman | a user can mount |
| 23:49.40 | juice` | is there any way to see if memory of my system is *REALLY* used or just allocated? and if so, how often it is all used up. I am thinking of buying more RAM but i'm not sure if i have to |
| 23:49.42 | mlk | namit: what about the user option that mount accepts? |
| 23:49.47 | scv | hi |
| 23:50.14 | abrotman | mlk: what's the error you get ? |
| 23:50.15 | wad | juice`, RAM is overrated. Twenty years ago, everyone was more than happy with 128K. |
| 23:50.30 | mlk | abrotman: there's no error |
| 23:50.36 | wols_ | juice`: is your swap always in use? |
| 23:50.36 | scv | I have a queston, can a K7 be treat as a P4? |
| 23:50.42 | abrotman | so what happens when you try to enter the dir ? |
| 23:50.42 | wols_ | if yes buy more RAM, if no, don't |
| 23:50.51 | wols_ | scv: no |
| 23:50.52 | juice` | excuse me, apache2 binary takes up even 80MB |
| 23:50.59 | juice` | how 128KB would be enough, i dont know |
| 23:51.04 | wols_ | juice`: virt or rss? |
| 23:51.09 | scv | wols, I mean in the gcc compilation |
| 23:51.11 | juice` | :P i know |
| 23:51.13 | namit | so you tyr to moutn and it just crashed |
| 23:51.16 | nikotyna | scv: afaik k7 don't have sse2 and p4 has it |
| 23:51.17 | juice` | wols: rss, virt is 500MB |
| 23:51.20 | wols_ | scv: and I gave you an answer |
| 23:51.23 | mlk | abrotman: work just fine, only the mount point is owned by root and I cannot create directories... |
| 23:51.32 | mlk | or files |
| 23:51.36 | juice` | only 50KB of my swap is used |
| 23:51.37 | abrotman | mlk: create the mount point as you |
| 23:51.39 | juice` | and my swap is 2GB |
| 23:51.47 | juice` | but kswapd0 is sometimes running a lot |
| 23:52.01 | scv | wols, the newer K7 even has sse3? |
| 23:52.08 | juice` | but even though, i only saw 50KB of swap used. never more |
| 23:52.13 | wols_ | scv: no. now stop asking |
| 23:52.15 | namit | mlk: as abrotman said you should be able to mount as you. Just unmount what you have and mount as your user |
| 23:52.19 | mlk | abrotman: I did just that, but after mounting the owner is changed to root |
| 23:52.23 | wols_ | scv: k7 doesn't even have sse2 |
| 23:52.25 | scv | wols_: o.o |
| 23:52.41 | abrotman | mlk: ls -ld <mountpoint> |
| 23:52.48 | scv | is the sempron a k7? |
| 23:52.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:53.02 | wols_ | scv: depends which sempron. some are, some aren't |
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| 23:53.13 | abrotman | wols_:it's at least k7 :) |
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| 23:53.19 | confrey | liable, ok, I compiled it |
| 23:53.24 | scv | so, can I use the p4 gcc options on the sempron? |
| 23:53.24 | namit | mlk: how are you mounting the drive |
| 23:53.26 | wols_ | abrotman: ouch. sry |
| 23:53.32 | wols_ | scv: yes it's a k7 at least |
| 23:53.32 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:53.36 | mlk | namit: using the fstab file |
| 23:53.49 | wols_ | scv: no you cann not. how often do you need to be told? |
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| 23:54.04 | confrey | but how can I do a .deb of that modules? how can I compile a module by module-assistant with a .tar.gz source? |
| 23:54.10 | frankr | whats the option for mount to mount something 777 permissions |
| 23:54.15 | wols_ | semprons have a perfectly fine optimizer of their own for k7, why using the P4 one? |
| 23:54.21 | amphi | scv: use -fomit-instructions ;) |
| 23:54.31 | juice` | so, any ideas how to see real memory usage? |
| 23:54.31 | namit | mlk: or abrotman seams to know more about mounting as user i am not sure if your using fstab you can mount as anyone else but root. can someone clarify? |
| 23:54.50 | mlk | I'll try reading the man files a little more thoroughly |
| 23:54.53 | wols_ | namit: if you put "user" in the options, a normal user can mount |
| 23:55.03 | liable | confrey: cool |
| 23:55.15 | scv | wols_: why are you so sure? |
| 23:55.20 | wintix | juice`: free |
| 23:55.21 | abrotman | -o users ? |
| 23:55.34 | wols_ | juice`: top and free both tell you. "real memory" usage on a system with virtual memory and shared libs up the wazoo is a foolish thing to check |
| 23:55.34 | liable | yup |
| 23:55.39 | juice` | wintix: free is showing also allocated memory |
| 23:55.52 | wols_ | scv: have fun and compile for P4 then. |
| 23:55.55 | wols_ | !sunday |
| 23:55.55 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 23:55.56 | namit | mlk: so it is possible wols says so |
| 23:56.04 | confrey | liable, thanks for your help, I sleepnow. bye |
| 23:56.06 | scv | grrr |
| 23:56.07 | frankr | namit, uid=user,gid=group in mount options |
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| 23:56.25 | juice` | wols: i just want to see how much of my ram is really used, and do i need to buy more RAM |
| 23:56.32 | namit | frankr: thanks for that mlk do ya see those options? |
| 23:56.39 | wols_ | juice`: I told you how to see it and decide |
| 23:56.58 | namit | i would have hacked it a bit and put a mount in .bash_profile |
| 23:57.01 | juice` | yes? where? |
| 23:57.18 | wols_ | 00:50 < wols_> juice`: is your swap always in use? |
| 23:57.22 | frankr | anyone know how to change the permissions in a mount option? I thought it was umask=xxx but it doesn't seem to be working |
| 23:57.22 | wad | Aha! I just solved my problem! |
| 23:57.45 | juice` | wols: i answered to that, and you didnt comment on my answer. my swap is always in use, but only 50KB of it |
| 23:57.46 | wols_ | frankr: why would you need umask with a ext3 partition? |
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| 23:58.43 | wols_ | juice`: 50kB is not usage at all |
| 23:58.47 | juice` | it's 20MB, sorry |
| 23:58.48 | wols_ | your swap is empty |
| 23:58.51 | juice` | 20MB. |
| 23:58.54 | namit | wad: so when you created to procmailrc file all is owrking now? |
| 23:59.04 | wad | I expect it will be. Hang on. :) |
| 23:59.12 | juice` | wols: make it 20MB, but it's max 20MB, never seen it to be more. 20MB on 2GB swap file |
| 23:59.13 | wad | I read some more manuals. |
| 23:59.23 | frankr | wols_, actually its a truecrypt volume I'm mounting; I'm pretty sure its fat but Its not mounting as being writable |
| 23:59.27 | wols_ | juice`: that should answer it to you |
| 23:59.45 | juice` | wols: no, you said that 50KB is empty. what is 20MB? |
