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| 00:00.23 | wols_ | juice`: how much ram do you have? e.g. how much is that 20MB in relation to your whole ramsize? and how often is it 20MB? |
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| 00:00.51 | juice` | i have 2 GB of ram and 1 GB of swap |
| 00:00.58 | juice` | 20MB is pretty constant |
| 00:01.03 | rainabba | If I setup a MD as RAID1 across 4 devices and set all 4 active (no spares), I could lose any 3 of the 4 and still run right? What would be the diff if I use 4 and set 2 active, 2 spare? |
| 00:01.09 | wols_ | then you don't need more RAM |
| 00:01.13 | juice` | 20MB or less of course |
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| 00:01.32 | juice` | but it usually goes up to 20MB, then kswapd0 kicks or maybe some memory manager or something, and my RAM is freed |
| 00:01.33 | wols_ | then those 20MB are the needed admin info for adminstering 1GB swap |
| 00:01.37 | wad | Yep, that was it. |
| 00:01.42 | wols_ | so no matte how much RAM you buy, this won't go down |
| 00:01.44 | wad | Maildir is now being populated. SWEET! thanks guys! |
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| 00:02.21 | juice` | i think what really happens is that when kernel sees 20MB is used on swap, it switches to some other memory manager model, and compresses or something real memory |
| 00:02.25 | wols_ | juice`: unless it's a heavy server or such, you cannot fill those 2GB in linux. well you can but it's hard, very hard |
| 00:02.36 | wols_ | and I don't think you actually use even part of that 2GB |
| 00:02.39 | juice` | becouse usually what i see is that 20MB is being used (of my swap) and even 200MB can then be freed up of my memory |
| 00:02.47 | namit | wad: nice to here now ya can install dovecot and spamassassin |
| 00:02.51 | rainabba | Physical Disks --> Partition Tables --> RAID Partitions --> LVM --> OS paritions (/boot, swap, / etc...) ............ that right? |
| 00:02.58 | pipeline | juice`: Things in swap will stay in swap. |
| 00:03.01 | wad | namit: Oh yes. |
| 00:03.08 | wad | and squirrelmail, too. |
| 00:03.10 | juice` | this is free hosting server with many users |
| 00:03.16 | juice` | it can be filled up |
| 00:03.17 | wad | Dovecot is next, actually. |
| 00:03.19 | wols_ | juice`: it cannot free 200MB. all it can do is allocate RAM from diskcache to program-RAM |
| 00:03.23 | namit | wad: look at roundcube much prettier |
| 00:03.30 | wad | Really? |
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| 00:03.35 | xingu | juice`: I have 2GB physical and this box isn't touching swap at all |
| 00:03.37 | wad | roundcube is an IMAP server? |
| 00:03.40 | wols_ | wad: needs mysql tho |
| 00:03.44 | wad | How is it better than dovecot or courier? |
| 00:03.47 | juice` | pipeline: really? even if they are not needed anymore? |
| 00:03.48 | namit | na its web interface |
| 00:03.59 | wad | Oh, roundcube is better than squirrelmail, you say? |
| 00:03.59 | juice` | pipeline: i mean, there is no timeout or something? |
| 00:03.59 | wols_ | wad: it's not an imap server. imap servers are never pretty |
| 00:04.03 | wad | lol |
| 00:04.05 | wad | True |
| 00:04.15 | wad | I'll be installing mysql also, shortly. |
| 00:04.15 | wintix | rainabba: then you could loose one active disk and one of the spares would start to rebuild. while it is becoming active you better don't loose the second disk. after the rebuild is complete, you can again loose one of the active disks and so on until there are no disks left. |
| 00:04.35 | namit | anyone know a very advanced book on bash? I am looking to learn an indepth learning of shells? |
| 00:04.54 | namit | wad: apt is your friend |
| 00:04.55 | nikotyna | namit: linux shell scripting with bash |
| 00:04.59 | wols_ | wad: cyrus forever :P |
| 00:05.18 | juice` | i still don't know how much of my ram is being really used and do i need to buy new RAM. i saw that linux doesnt allocate swap memory so easly as it does allocate normal RAM memory |
| 00:05.22 | wad | I'm not a cyrus fan. I blew a whole day trying to get it to work on a SUSE box. Never worked. |
| 00:05.25 | namit | wols: cyrus i am no fan of its sotrage of mail is crazy |
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| 00:05.31 | xingu | juice`: http://kerneltrap.org/node/1044 |
| 00:05.33 | wad | Dovecot worked within 10 minutes of install. |
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| 00:05.46 | juice` | so probably when it's starts using swap, it starts some more memory efficient model of memory manager |
| 00:05.47 | wols_ | namit: but it |
| 00:05.48 | pipeline | juice`: Things stay in swap until they're used for something. |
| 00:05.56 | wols_ | but it's FAST. and I just love sieve |
| 00:06.02 | pipeline | juice`: when programs terminate, memory is freed, so that goes for swap, too. |
| 00:06.08 | wols_ | juice`: no |
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| 00:06.29 | tenco | is there a tool to change a debian/changelog? i tried it with an editor, but get an error "source version without epoch" |
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| 00:06.51 | anenigma | Out of curiosity, any .au people able to hit http://ftp.au.debian.org/ as an apt-get update? I'm getting 403's from many URLs |
| 00:06.55 | namit | wols: but but its not fun, i just installed it last week and trying to find docs on it was impossible and having to create mailboxes for users is a pain |
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| 00:07.12 | wols_ | namit: that it kinda is |
| 00:07.35 | wols_ | namit: and never, never ever run out of room in your mailspool. it's not pretty then. disaster area |
| 00:08.04 | namit | wols: yes its nice in how it indexes stuff and MUCH more poperfull adminstarion tools than dovecot and anything else but its a pain in my bum. |
| 00:08.13 | tenco | what does it mean, after all? |
| 00:08.15 | namit | wols: never run into that area of trouble |
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| 00:08.36 | namit | wols: i do like way you can create acls on the fly with it |
| 00:08.36 | wols_ | has a tendecny to fuck up its DB then |
| 00:08.48 | juice` | nice article |
| 00:08.55 | namit | wols: but its all fun and games |
| 00:08.58 | juice` | i have /proc/sys/vm/swappiness at 60 |
| 00:09.03 | fantasma | what packages are required for a sane building environment under debian? |
| 00:09.09 | xingu | juice`: 20 works for my workload. |
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| 00:09.31 | wintix | fantasma: what do you intend to build? |
| 00:09.32 | nikotyna | fantasma: build-essential? |
| 00:09.41 | fantasma | wintix, kernel |
| 00:09.42 | xingu | juice`: another useful one is dirty_ratio and dirty_background_ratio |
| 00:09.46 | juice` | xingu: the lower i set it, means the kernel will use swap less likely, right? |
| 00:09.55 | nikotyna | fantasma: and libncurses5-dev for make menuconfig |
| 00:09.58 | xingu | juice`: precisely. |
| 00:09.59 | wintix | fantasma: kernel-package libncurses5-dev build-essential |
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| 00:10.24 | juice` | xingu: my disks are constantly overloaded, so i guess i should set it to 20 too |
| 00:10.27 | namit | wols: and talk to me about kerbarising cyrus? that was fun (it works now but not sure quite how i do not liek that ) |
| 00:10.31 | namit | k slater lads |
| 00:10.34 | wintix | fantasma: and maybe module-assistant for nice module building afterwards. |
| 00:10.39 | fantasma | that's percisely what I got but I'm getting an error when I run ``make-kpkg clean'' |
| 00:11.03 | wols_ | namit: auth and cyrus is the stuff nightmares are made of. was even worse in 1.x days |
| 00:11.10 | tenco | what's an "epoch" of a source version? |
| 00:11.16 | wols_ | !epoch |
| 00:11.16 | dpkg | i guess epoch is the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32 bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64 bit architectures. It's also a version number orderer used by the debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself. |
| 00:11.49 | wintix | fantasma: make mrproper gets your kernel source directory cleaned up. you might wanna safe the .config |
| 00:12.28 | fantasma | wintix, what do you mean "cleans it up"? does it remove any patches that I've applied? |
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| 00:13.02 | wols_ | fantasma: deletes old object files |
| 00:13.11 | juice` | no, i'm sorry but you must be wrong. my kswapd0 got 10 hours of cpu time already |
| 00:13.34 | juice` | so my swap *IS* being used, even if it raises only to 20MB |
| 00:13.44 | namit | wols: i am to young for that stuff but will take your word for it. I had to setup cyrus and sendmail and kerberos on fedora box and thats a nightmare waiting to happen (because fedora just turns around and crys when it does not have the right file permitions and acls and bollox on directories) i was installing somehting last week and had to put the files down a directory for it to work FFPS (Fedora File permitions suck) k night l |
| 00:13.57 | wols_ | juice`: 20MB is nothing compared to your 2GB |
| 00:14.07 | juice` | wols_: then why kswapd0 is working so hard? |
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| 00:14.10 | wols_ | if it's never more, there is no measurable value |
| 00:14.20 | wols_ | 20MB is 1%, that's a rounding error |
| 00:14.40 | juice` | so what does kswapd0 do on my system for so much time? |
| 00:14.55 | wols_ | namit: the problem with cyrus is their docs are shit. simply shit :) |
| 00:15.01 | wintix | it socialises with other processes. |
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| 00:15.29 | CrippsFX | hmm ... has anyone here had any luck getting cdrmooby to work with pcsx in Sid? |
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| 00:15.44 | tenco | hmm, ok. but what's wrong with this versioning sheme: 4.0~rc2.dfsg.1-5 |
| 00:15.52 | juice` | ok then i will rephrase my question. anybody knows why kswapd0 is working very hard on a system with very low swap usage ? |
| 00:16.29 | rainabba | wintix: So 4 active would allow be to lose 3 disks before the array goes from degraded to failed? |
| 00:16.57 | tenco | even with dch -i i get this error |
| 00:17.10 | wintix | rainabba: yes. |
| 00:17.12 | tenco | oh |
| 00:17.13 | tenco | sorry |
| 00:17.15 | wols_ | juice`: ask #kernel |
| 00:17.23 | juice` | they are all dead there |
| 00:17.26 | juice` | always. but i will try |
| 00:17.36 | rainabba | wintix: ty |
| 00:17.42 | wols_ | juice`: kernelnewbies, lkml, kerneltrap, etc |
| 00:17.44 | tenco | dpkg-buildpackage seems to need root privileges. should be more verbose |
| 00:17.51 | wols_ | tenco: fakeroot |
| 00:18.00 | wintix | rainabba: you might want to make shure that the spare devices spin down while they are not used. |
| 00:18.14 | wintix | rainabba: if they don't you might as well use them. |
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| 00:18.21 | juice` | wols_: thanks |
| 00:18.55 | tenco | 'make: *** [testroot] Fehler 1' isn't that self-explanatory |
| 00:18.59 | tenco | wols_: thanks :) |
| 00:19.14 | wols_ | juice`: write a script that periodically checks free for amount of RAM used |
| 00:19.29 | wols_ | with more data, maybe it does use swap after all |
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| 00:21.28 | wols_ | abrotman: I think I need to run back to some sane digitally imported or my brain will explode. it feels like under pressure already |
| 00:21.41 | abrotman | HI |
| 00:21.46 | juice` | wols_: ok. i will. thanks for the tip |
| 00:21.56 | abrotman | wols_: that music feed ? |
| 00:22.13 | wols_ | yes |
| 00:22.37 | abrotman | i gave up a while ago |
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| 00:24.36 | wols_ | back to some good ols stoner goa :) |
| 00:24.45 | wintix | ;) |
| 00:24.45 | rainabba | Regarding Software RAID (md): Physical Disks --> Partition Tables --> RAID Partitions --> LVM --> OS paritions (/boot, swap, / etc...) ............ that right? |
| 00:24.54 | abrotman | still? |
| 00:25.11 | wintix | rainabba: why use lvm at all? |
| 00:25.17 | abrotman | lvm is good |
| 00:25.28 | abrotman | rainabba: i think that's wrong BTS |
| 00:25.31 | abrotman | bTW |
| 00:25.33 | wintix | lvm is weird magic ^^' |
| 00:26.12 | rainabba | wintix: Thought it was good practice? |
| 00:26.38 | rainabba | Also, i'm building a XEN host so I need all the flexibility I can get in partitioning. |
| 00:26.54 | wintix | rainabba: than it might be a good idea, yes. |
| 00:26.58 | rainabba | k |
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| 00:28.50 | fsck | I get the following when I attempt ``make-kpkg clean'' for a kernel build -- http://pastebin.ca/400926 -- is this normal? |
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| 00:32.25 | juice` | fsck: looks normal, i don't see any errors there, why? |
| 00:32.50 | fsck | juice`: I wasn't sure if it was erroring out or not |
| 00:33.24 | juice` | just telling you what it is doing right now |
| 00:33.26 | rainabba | Given 4 drives, each with 2 paritions, 1 is 200MB RAID, the other is 159GB RAID. I want to create one MD that's RAID1 using the 4 200MB RAID paritions, then another MD that's RAID5 using the 4 159GB RAID paritions. That is possible right? |
| 00:34.02 | rainabba | so MD0 = sda1, sdb1, sdc1, sdd1 and MD1 = sda2, sdb2, sdc2, and sdd2 |
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| 00:34.46 | juice` | rainabba: i think raid partitions have to be same size, so all partitions will be reduced to the size of the smallest one |
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| 00:34.53 | juice` | rainabba: which raid you want? |
| 00:35.09 | juice` | rainabba: ah 1, sorry didnt see that. |
| 00:35.37 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.40 | rainabba | I want a MIRROR across all 4 (only 200MB) for /root, then I want RAID5 across all 4 using the remaining space. I'll put LVm on that. |
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| 00:36.34 | Red_Cloud | I know that I use DCHP and I know the information to put into resolv.conf |
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| 00:37.20 | juice` | rainabba: i think it's possible |
| 00:37.31 | juice` | why wouldnt ? |
| 00:37.42 | rainabba | Using netinstaller, I create md0 and select sda1, sdb1, sdc1, and sdd1, but when I go to create md1, it tells me there are no remaining RAID paritions. I also see that md0 appears as 160GB instead of just 200MB. |
| 00:37.43 | Red_Cloud | INS=NIS and INS+=NIS+ |
| 00:38.13 | rainabba | juice: ... even though I see all 8 RAID paritions at their expected size |
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| 00:41.56 | kjhgkjhg | anyone ever used azureus on ubuntu? |
| 00:42.02 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 00:42.12 | kjhgkjhg | oopse. my bad. |
| 00:42.19 | fsck | lol |
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| 00:44.21 | Gokee2 | When using backports, I try and install a pkg and it depends on stuff, if I say each depending thing on the ling then they depend on more stuff..... It gets to be LOTS and LOTS of STUFF! Is there a way to tell apt-get to just install all the dependencies (from backports if needed)? |
| 00:44.26 | kjhgkjhg | oh well, i spent all day in there yesterday and didnt get an answer. Just got into an argument with a bunch of fanboys. |
| 00:44.32 | Gokee2 | line* |
| 00:44.38 | kjhgkjhg | i dont imagine it would be much different. |
| 00:44.43 | kjhgkjhg | has anyone in here used azureus |
| 00:46.40 | wols_ | !anyone use azureus |
| 00:46.40 | dpkg | No, no one uses azureus, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:46.53 | wols_ | now go and ask #ubuntu instead with your ubuntu install |
| 00:47.09 | concept10 | or #azereus |
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| 00:47.41 | Gokee2 | The trick is to never tell debian people you don`t have pure debain installed :) |
| 00:47.43 | fantasma | azureus is a bad client, sorry |
| 00:47.45 | kjhgkjhg | actually, if you wanna be all like that, i've got a second box with debian, and the exact same problem. so wow. yeah, guess i got the pass. |
| 00:48.00 | fantasma | try rtorrent instead |
| 00:48.03 | concept10 | prove it |
| 00:48.03 | Gokee2 | Or just go to the right chan and get help specific to your distro... |
| 00:48.06 | rainabba | kjhgkjhg: Questions that start with "anyone use" rarely get a good response. "anyone like" is better, but if you ask whatever it is you actually want to know, you'll get much more and better repsponses. |
| 00:48.18 | kjhgkjhg | fantasma, ok. |
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| 00:48.47 | wintix | rainabba: the raid1 / raid5 setup is possible. |
| 00:49.19 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, i probably already know your problem. Does azureus crash after startup? |
| 00:49.29 | Gokee2 | So does anyone know how to tell apt-get to get the auto-get the dependencies or should I copy and past them all to install? |
| 00:49.30 | rainabba | wintix: So I'm up against an installer issue? How do i get to a command line where I can manage things by hand? |
| 00:49.32 | applekid | Has anybody run into problems with synergy and beryl? |
| 00:49.49 | Gokee2 | -"get the" |
| 00:49.55 | applekid | Gokee2, apt-get installs the deps by default, I think. You can try using -f maybe. |
| 00:50.11 | wintix | rainabba: i suggest to create the 200mb partitions first and create the first array using the installer. after that array is created, create the remaining 4 partitions for the raid5 and create the second array. |
| 00:50.19 | RodolfoRG | hey, every time I use apt-get (by aptitude) and it "download" the packages from DVD repository, a nautilus window opens.... =/ |
| 00:50.31 | kjhgkjhg | concept10, no, it does nothing, i open it, tell it the url of the torrent i want, it seems to create a file where i tell it (even though theres two files in the torrent?) and i cant get it to display anything. nothing about active torrents or anything. |
| 00:50.37 | Gokee2 | applekid, I did try -f its because it needs to get the dependencies from backports and it only want to grab them from the stable trea |
| 00:50.38 | RodolfoRG | just like when i insert a cd |
| 00:50.40 | Gokee2 | tree* |
| 00:50.55 | kjhgkjhg | now since ive restarted it, theres this warning window STUCK on my desktop. i clicked hide, and its just... there. |
| 00:50.55 | applekid | Oh |
| 00:50.58 | applekid | Sorry I dunno then :| |
| 00:51.05 | rainabba | wintix: That's what I did the first time (to keep it clean), but the resulting md0 still appeared as 160GB instead of 200MB. How could that even be possible? |
| 00:51.11 | Gokee2 | :( |
| 00:51.23 | Gokee2 | Backports does not seem to have much information on it |
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| 00:51.53 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, you need to split the display - meaning find where the display splits and open up the bottom half |
| 00:52.14 | kjhgkjhg | ... |
| 00:52.42 | concept10 | WTF does that mean |
| 00:52.52 | chascon | howdy |
| 00:53.07 | kjhgkjhg | it means i have no idea what you just said. |
| 00:53.08 | wintix | rainabba: that's weird. try to create the 200mb partitions setting them as raid type and add the remaining partitions as well, but don't set them as raid. set them to et3 or something. (you don't have to format them just set the type) maybe the installer won't try to raid them while creating the 200mb raid1. after the raid1 is created, modify the type to raid on the bigger partitions and set up the raid5 |
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| 00:53.53 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, what irc client do you use? |
| 00:54.03 | rainabba | So wipe it all, create the 4, 200MB raid paritions, create md0, THEN go deal with the other ones? |
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| 00:54.24 | chascon | is there a graceful way to reboot a system from console without loging in? Alias and passwords are forgotten. |
| 00:54.30 | kjhgkjhg | what does my irc client have to do with azureus? |
| 00:54.34 | cusco | yes |
| 00:54.43 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, just answer the question |
| 00:54.51 | frankr | Hey guys - If I have a windows install on a different partition can I run it in vmware? |
| 00:54.58 | cusco | chascon: alt + ctrl + SysRq + |
| 00:55.00 | cusco | chascon: alt + ctrl + SysRq + b |
| 00:55.03 | kjhgkjhg | nah |
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| 00:55.09 | wintix | rainabba: wipe it all, create the 200mb raid partitions and create the remaining partitions with type ext3 or something, set up md0. then modify the type from etx3 to raid and create md1. |
| 00:55.13 | chascon | thanks cusco |
| 00:55.22 | cusco | lol |
| 00:55.24 | rainabba | wintix: Got it. Off I go. ty |
| 00:55.37 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, well fuck it, I tried to help by relating something else. |
| 00:55.40 | wintix | rainabba: np |
| 00:55.47 | concept10 | Fix it yourself |
| 00:56.10 | concept10 | how about that |
| 00:56.17 | kjhgkjhg | see now was that so hard to explain? |
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| 00:57.19 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, no, fuck that, I spent half of my life in the military. So, when I ask a question, I don't have to explain. Either answer or don't. |
| 00:57.23 | frankr | Are there any open source emulators which will run an OS off of a real partition of a hard drive? |
| 00:57.42 | wintix | frankr: you would have to set up a vmware disk using the physical partition. that is possible but maybe not a good idea if you don't know what you are doing. |
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| 00:58.08 | wintix | frankr: have a look at bochs |
| 00:58.32 | cusco | or qemu |
| 00:59.32 | kjhgkjhg | concept10, not everyone was in the military. See, heres the thing about explaining why... if you explain why you want me to run 10 random commands, then i understand and dont have to ask again later. :) but we know you just love linux noobs comming in here and blatherin up the place with questions. ;) |
| 01:00.34 | chascon | cusco: was that graceful? I didn't see any shutdown activity just a quick blank screen and a click from the tower. |
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| 01:02.03 | wintix | chascon: the shutdown activity you expected probably was on another terminal |
| 01:02.13 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, I know everyone hasnt served in the military, and maybe its wrong to impose my views, but I wasn't asking you to jump off a moving plane, I asked you what IRC client you were using. I did'nt ask you to run a weird command that may damage your system. |
| 01:02.20 | cusco | lol no |
| 01:02.42 | cusco | chascon: sorry.. as you could not login, I thought.. that or cutting the power off :/ |
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| 01:02.53 | chascon | k |
| 01:03.08 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, anyway, I was trying to explain that all you should have to do it split the two planes in azureus. |
| 01:03.29 | chascon | well, no worries. I do have journalling on this thing |
| 01:03.41 | cusco | instead of b, pressing s and u first, woudla have syncronized data to disks and umounted them and mounted them in read only |
| 01:03.44 | cusco | and then booted |
| 01:03.51 | kjhgkjhg | concept10, well i'll try that as soon as i get this "Wraning Azureus did not shitdown... " window unstuck from screen |
| 01:03.58 | chascon | reiserfs so we'll see how it performs, and see if it prompts fscking |
| 01:04.04 | kjhgkjhg | *shutdown |
| 01:04.08 | chascon | after setting passwords |
| 01:04.33 | wintix | kjhgkjhg: maybe xkilling the stuck window will help |
| 01:04.40 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, do you understand what I mean by "splitting the planes" ? |
| 01:05.23 | kjhgkjhg | wintix, no idea what xkilling is. i'd like to just kill the whole process. but i've browed these magical to some man pages and found diddly. |
| 01:05.51 | kjhgkjhg | concept10, nope, but i'll figure it out when i get the azureus clinet up again. |
| 01:06.07 | concept10 | its where the mouse pointer turns into those two arrows like <-> and you split two sections |
| 01:06.20 | kjhgkjhg | right |
| 01:06.35 | wintix | kjhgkjhg: sorry. 'xkill' lets you kill a client from the server. run it and klick on the stuck window. |
| 01:06.55 | kjhgkjhg | didnt do anything |
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| 01:07.15 | kjhgkjhg | window is still there |
| 01:07.17 | wintix | kjhgkjhg: hm. weird. start ignoring it until you restart the x server :) |
| 01:07.20 | concept10 | except in azureus its vertical instead if horiz |
| 01:07.36 | kjhgkjhg | hmm,,, |
| 01:07.38 | kjhgkjhg | brb |
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| 01:09.13 | concept10 | I guess you can't kill the app |
| 01:09.25 | kjhgkjhg | I'm so fucking sick of linux... if its not one half working piece of shit software its 100 random command line commands i'm expected to memorize and all 100 of their option tags. |
| 01:09.50 | kjhgkjhg | seriously... does soemone find this useful? |
| 01:09.56 | concept10 | yes |
| 01:10.05 | wols_ | kjhgkjhg: your whining? very unuseful and stupid |
| 01:10.13 | wols_ | but then it's probably sunday wherever you are |
| 01:10.16 | wintix | kjhgkjhg: give it some time. |
| 01:10.19 | wintix | hehe, wols. |
| 01:10.20 | concept10 | youre providing good entertainment over here |
| 01:10.25 | kjhgkjhg | kjhgkjhg, as opposed to reading thousands of man pages to get shit working? |
| 01:10.35 | kjhgkjhg | i'll chooseing whineing, makes me feel better ATM |
| 01:10.36 | concept10 | learn commands |
| 01:10.41 | wintix | kjhgkjhg: at least there are man pages. |
| 01:10.44 | phreqmod | kjhgkjhg, you're not even using a Linux program FFS |
| 01:10.47 | wols_ | !pity kjhgkjhg |
| 01:10.47 | dpkg | I pity da fool kjhgkjhg! |
| 01:11.08 | rainabba | If I was to put the entire OS (apps, source, etc..) in one partition as /, how much space should I allocate to make sure I can recompile, update, etc... (200MB, 500MB, 5GB, etc...) ? |
| 01:11.23 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, no one learn Linux in a day. Not even in years. |
| 01:11.47 | wols_ | rainabba: depends what you wanna do and how much data you expect |
| 01:11.52 | wols_ | 5-10GB is plenty |
| 01:11.53 | kjhgkjhg | i guess it is not wise to expect to have full functionality of an OS in months of another OS i've been usiong since i was 6 |
| 01:12.11 | wintix | rainabba: my server has a 4G scsi hd as / and uses about 2,9G of it. |
| 01:12.14 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, you have that backwards |
| 01:12.19 | rainabba | No data, just OS and apps (and required source/packages). Creating a XEN host so all the "data" will be on other paritions. |
| 01:12.29 | kjhgkjhg | concept10, elaborate? |
| 01:12.49 | wintix | rainabba: make it something between 5 and 10 to be safe. |
| 01:12.51 | wols_ | rainabba: it depends what you wanna do. I can run my server fine on <1GB |
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| 01:13.11 | k-man_ | how can i tell which process us using a fs, and preventing me from unmounting it? |
| 01:13.13 | wintix | wols_: better be safe than sorry |
| 01:13.21 | wols_ | kjhgkjhg: lsof |
| 01:13.28 | rainabba | I'll go 8GB then :) |
| 01:13.30 | k-man_ | wols_, ah, thanks |
| 01:13.35 | abrotman | k-man_: lsof or fuser |
| 01:13.37 | wols_ | wintix: 1GB is plenty. it's when you go around 200MB it's where the fun starts :) |
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| 01:14.26 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, youve been using MS Windows since you were six. Don't be frustrated that you have been corrupted by the paradigms that the footdragging OS which is windows has imposed upon you. |
| 01:14.50 | k-man_ | abrotman, hmm... nothing shows up with lsof as using the fs, but i can't unmount it (btw, i had some errors on that fs) |
| 01:14.56 | JordiGH | What we need is a paradigm shift. |
| 01:14.58 | phreqmod | Yes, it's not your fault (group hug) |
| 01:15.15 | wintix | wols_: my desktop system uses about 5gb. some kernel source code and random stuff lying around. my server running vnc, azureus and a vdr uses 2,9gb. again with some random stuff and source code lying around. |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | k-man_: what's the mount point ? |
| 01:15.33 | k-man_ | abrotman, /backup |
| 01:15.34 | wintix | wols_: it's a nice thing not to have to worry about free space while extracting the latest kernel source |
| 01:15.43 | abrotman | k-man_: fuser -c /backup |
| 01:15.50 | phreqmod | JordiGH, perhaps also a way to e-nable it and take advantage of the sinergies ? |
| 01:15.50 | k-man_ | ok |
| 01:16.13 | JordiGH | phreqmod: I'm thinking outside the box here, being part of the solution, not the problem. |
| 01:16.18 | k-man_ | abrotman, -c doesn't seem supported by my version of fuser |
| 01:16.28 | abrotman | k-man_: sarge ? |
| 01:16.36 | k-man_ | err... stable |
| 01:16.40 | abrotman | same thing |
| 01:16.53 | abrotman | fuser -m /backup ? |
| 01:17.06 | kjhgkjhg | concept10, somehow i fail to understand the fascination with the billion of commands i'd have to memorize to accomplish the simplest of things. All the programs that depend on other programs that depend on specific versions and so on and so forth, as opposed to, a window, displaying all available options before me. and when i get a program, rarely does it depend on half a dozen other programs with specific versions. |
| 01:17.40 | k-man_ | abrotman, returns nothing |
| 01:17.43 | kjhgkjhg | i mean... mabey im missing something... if i am, please inform me. |
| 01:17.50 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, you need to read about unix philosophy |
| 01:17.54 | phreqmod | JordiGH, indeed, assertive thinking is the way to go. Focus on the needs, deliver on demand with clear attention to the lifecycle, remove hefty organizations in favor of a comb-like structure that directly empowers the players. |
| 01:18.03 | abrotman | k-man_: what's the error you get wheny ou try to umount /backup ? |
| 01:18.08 | wintix | kjhgkjhg: after getting used to debian you will find it much more mighty and usable than the usual windows system. |
| 01:18.18 | JordiGH | kjhgkjhg: Try the latest Debian netinstall and leave everything at default options. It'll dump you into a GUI that you can explore with the mouse without knowing commands yet. |
| 01:18.20 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, GUIs are nice, but they almost never give you the full options |
| 01:18.30 | k-man_ | abrotman, umount: /backup: device is busy |
| 01:18.41 | wintix | kjhgkjhg: try umount -l /backup |
| 01:18.45 | JordiGH | phreqmod: Ok, fine, you're better at this than I am. I concede defeat. :-) |
| 01:18.58 | wintix | err. k-man. < wintix> kjhgkjhg: try umount -l /backup |
| 01:19.05 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, You never said what you were trying to do |
| 01:19.07 | mikefoo | k-man_: are you "in" backup dir? |
| 01:19.15 | k-man_ | mikefoo, no |
| 01:19.23 | mikefoo | just do an fuser |
| 01:19.29 | kjhgkjhg | get azureus unstuck from my screen |
| 01:19.31 | mikefoo | and see whats making it busy.. |
| 01:19.34 | JordiGH | phreqmod: And the dependencies are handled by apt. Free software is by its very nature modular since we keep building on each other's work instead of each working separately doing almost everything from scratch. |
| 01:19.45 | militant | heh |
| 01:19.46 | militant | neat |
| 01:19.46 | k-man_ | mikefoo, fuser returns nothing |
| 01:19.51 | militant | just gave the gf a debian lappie |
| 01:19.54 | concept10 | kjhgkjhg, there are ways to kill it from the command line, and GUIs |
| 01:19.55 | militant | her first computer ever. |
| 01:20.00 | mikefoo | are you sure you using correct flags? |
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| 01:20.16 | mikefoo | next step it to see if i/o errors occured, do a dmesg |
| 01:20.19 | wols_ | kjhgkjhg: are you in IT for a living? |
| 01:20.22 | JordiGH | militant: My girlfriend loved hers. In her own words, "Linux is a lot less bullshitty". :-) |
| 01:20.28 | militant | hah |
| 01:20.29 | militant | nice |
| 01:20.46 | wintix | kjhgkjhg: the stuck window from azureus is probably a bug. i have that problem, too, sometimes. you can disable them in the azureus config but to get rid of it you will most probably have to restart the X server |
| 01:20.52 | k-man_ | bah, never mind, i'll just wait till i reboot |
| 01:20.57 | kjhgkjhg | kjhgkjhg, yep. i get along with linux as long as the relationship between me and linux is strictly professional. but as soon as i try to use it as my general system, we get in a fight. |
| 01:21.02 | JordiGH | militant: She really feels in control, she feels like she has options, even if though she's very unsavvy. :-) |
| 01:21.18 | wols_ | kjhgkjhg: answer my question please |
| 01:21.19 | militant | she's quite a bit older than me. this's the first time she's gotten to compute besides clicking around 2 or 3 times on a windows box |
| 01:21.43 | wintix | kjhgkjhg: if you want to use debian as your main system you have to be patient and willing to fiddle around when things aren't working out of the box. |
| 01:21.49 | kjhgkjhg | how do i restart X? all attempts i'eve ever made at restarting, i get intresting results. |
| 01:22.00 | JordiGH | kjhgkjhg: ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 01:22.18 | rainabba | Does EVMS replace the partitioning/software-raid/LVM tools I'm using to install? |
| 01:22.20 | wintix | kjhgkjhg: doing that will kill all applications currently running on the X server |
| 01:22.29 | JordiGH | militant: Girlfriend success stories are the best way to spread Debian. :-) |
| 01:22.33 | militant | yeah |
| 01:22.35 | militant | really is. |
| 01:22.42 | wintix | jup. |
| 01:22.46 | wintix | definitely :) |
| 01:22.49 | militant | mom wants me to tak vista off hers and put xp... i might just sneak her some debian goodness. |
| 01:23.02 | phreqmod | Er, silly question, but does anyone know of a Rugby game for Linux? Google gives lots of garbage, just asking in the odd chance someone knows something more concrete... |
| 01:23.03 | concept10 | I dont want no girl that likes debian :) |
| 01:23.05 | phreqmod | df |
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| 01:23.41 | phreqmod | rainabba, no |
| 01:24.00 | phreqmod | rainabba, actually, yes and no |
| 01:24.04 | concept10 | I was surprised to see that my 13 year old niece was trying to install Linux on her iPod |
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| 01:24.13 | mfrisch | ok what modules need to be compiled in for sata hardisks to work without initrd? |
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| 01:24.38 | kjhgkjhg | thats better |
| 01:24.42 | wols_ | mfrisch: depends on your sata controller |
| 01:24.46 | phreqmod | rainabba, no in the sense that EVMS plays well with volumes created by LVM2 tools, but yes in that if you use EVMS you can use the EVSM cli and gui utils to manage them |
| 01:24.59 | JordiGH | concept10: Yes! Grab them while they're young! |
| 01:25.18 | wintix | mhm |
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| 01:25.52 | rainabba | phreqmod: k. Have to read up more after I get things going I think. |
| 01:25.59 | mfrisch | wols_ is via I believe libata? |
| 01:26.31 | concept10 | JordiGH, We couldnt install it unfortunately. It doesnt support the new 2nd gen nano. But shes always had a dual boot computer. One side with windows, with GIGS of spyware (I am not kidding) and the other with Sarge |
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| 01:26.56 | phreqmod | rainabba, EVMS uses plugins to deal with many things, including LVM and RAID volumes. So whe you install EVMS it will detect your LVM and RAID volumes (you can see that through the nice GUI it has). |
| 01:27.02 | JordiGH | concept10: Awww... Too bad it didn't work. |
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| 01:27.18 | concept10 | JordiGH, when windows go down, I make her live on Sarge to I feel like taking a look at the box (which takes weeks) |
| 01:27.25 | phreqmod | I.e. EVMS installation can be done without fear of "replacing" the LVM volumes, it works a level above it |
| 01:27.38 | wols_ | mfrisch: http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#via |
| 01:27.47 | wols_ | mfrisch: what chipset? what does lspci -v say? |
| 01:27.52 | JordiGH | concept10: You have powers of Life and Debian over her? Neat. |
| 01:28.25 | wols_ | concept10: that's not good. you have to give here a new and üretty debian so she doesn't want to go back to windows |
| 01:28.41 | JordiGH | sarge can be pretty. |
| 01:29.01 | mfrisch | wols_ can you repost I acedently scrolled past my buffer |
| 01:29.05 | concept10 | she complains (are you going to install windows on there?) |
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| 01:29.13 | graytron | sarge's cron can be used to start processes without pam limits |
| 01:29.25 | wols_ | mfrisch: http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#via |
| 01:29.27 | wols_ | mfrisch: what chipset? what does lspci -v say? |
| 01:29.44 | Xtreem | hello debian users =) |
| 01:31.48 | JordiGH | But can SARGE DO THIS?? http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/desktop.png |
| 01:31.48 | mfrisch | wols_ via vt6420 raid sata controler |
| 01:31.48 | wintix | JordiGH: yes. that's semi transparency only. |
| 01:31.48 | concept10 | JordiGH, that looks like Ubuntu |
| 01:31.48 | wintix | lol |
| 01:31.48 | JordiGH | concept10: It isn't. It's Debian. |
| 01:32.04 | gcbirzan | Hm. I know it's not strictly Debian, but... I'm trying to get zgv working, and it's asking for a 'svgalib_helper' module... While I've not used svgalib stuff in a bit, I don't remember this being necessary a while back. Also, I see the wontfix bug in BTS, but, hm. Anyway. Question. How does one get svgalib stuff working? Do I need to compile that kernel module? |
| 01:32.08 | concept10 | j/k |
| 01:32.16 | JordiGH | concept10: Oh. :-) |
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| 01:33.23 | concept10 | JordiGH, here is my latest setup (on testing) http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotri4.png |
| 01:34.11 | JordiGH | awww... that pic crashed Iceweasel. :-( |
| 01:34.19 | JordiGH | Or something did. |
| 01:34.37 | graytron | i have something like this in my user's crontab: "@reboot /usr/bin/screen -d -m -s /bin/bash /usr/bin/irssi" how to make the screen/bash obey the pam limits? |
| 01:34.38 | gcbirzan | About anything will crash Iceweasel. |
| 01:34.38 | overrider | hi, which cd should i download in order to install debian? -> debian-31r5-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent ? thanks |
| 01:34.44 | JordiGH | Thankfully, Iceweasel knows how to recover sessions. :-) |
| 01:35.04 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: Yeah. Rather than fix its bugs, they did that. :-P |
| 01:35.16 | Guerin | overrider: that'll do, unless you have hardware newer than mid-2006 |
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| 01:35.47 | wols_ | mfrisch: read the link I pasted. it doesn't use AHCI it seems |
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| 01:36.02 | JordiGH | gcbirzan: And rather than fix the memory leak, we get spellchecking. Woohoo! :D |
| 01:36.09 | mfrisch | wols_ where the heck is sata_via? |
| 01:36.47 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: I hardly care about any. But I really like that I can recover sessions. :-) |
| 01:37.02 | wols_ | mfrisch: in your kernel config? it does exist, up to 2.6.20 at least. I checked |
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| 01:37.06 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: And, think of it this way. It won't live to leak too much memory anywy. :-P |
| 01:37.21 | wols_ | mfrisch: check both scsi and ide menus |
| 01:37.26 | overrider | Guerin, i have a Compaq Presario V3000 i intend to install Debian on |
| 01:37.47 | Guerin | overrider: is that like a V6 or a V8? |
| 01:37.47 | wols_ | overrider: etch no work? |
| 01:37.59 | concept10 | heh |
| 01:38.12 | overrider | Guerin, thats a V3000 |
| 01:38.13 | wols_ | Guerin: it's 500 times better than a V6 obviously |
| 01:38.14 | JordiGH | concept10: Ooh, I dig the icons. What are they? |
| 01:38.24 | Guerin | overrider: where do you garage it?>?111?!2!1 |
| 01:38.31 | gcbirzan | wols_: Better is relative. :-P |
| 01:38.36 | concept10 | JordiGH, what icons? |
| 01:38.45 | concept10 | yep |
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| 01:38.51 | JordiGH | concept10: The trash icon. |
| 01:38.58 | asg | concept10: if you smoke enough crack, you see all sorts of things, including icons |
| 01:39.05 | wintix | hehe# |
| 01:39.12 | mfrisch | wols_ VIA82CXXX ? |
| 01:39.14 | Guerin | asg would know |
| 01:39.15 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: KDE is going the OS X way, from what I read of KDE 4... |
| 01:39.25 | concept10 | JordiGH, that's a good set. Its called Tango Noir by jimmac |
| 01:39.31 | wols_ | mfrisch: huh? |
| 01:39.35 | asg | Guerin: ;) |
| 01:39.51 | asg | Guerin: you're the one smoking eels and capers |
| 01:39.53 | JordiGH | gcbirzan: Are we getting swishy windows and wobbly icons? |
| 01:39.55 | TraceGreen | Hello, I can't get my sata disk serial number, I think I should patch my kernel(2.6.14) with "ata passthru", but where can i get certain patch? I googled but without such patch. |
| 01:39.57 | wols_ | mfrisch: that's the old Via Apollo PATA stuff |
| 01:40.00 | Guerin | there's a window-fixing service in NZ whose motto is `Show us yer crack' |
| 01:40.00 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: Their websites (because they have one for every single lib/app) are full of "oh, I like the OS X icons/theme/whatnot, let's use it too". |
| 01:40.09 | asg | Guerin: priceless |
| 01:40.10 | Guerin | gets laughs every time |
| 01:40.13 | JordiGH | concept10: I'm gonna go dig it up. The Crystal theme is getting too bubbly for my taste. :-) |
| 01:40.17 | overrider | what is the difference between cd1 and say ... cd12 ? |
| 01:40.22 | Guerin | overrider: 1 |
| 01:40.25 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 01:40.26 | Guerin | 2 |
| 01:40.32 | Guerin | yeah, that's right |
| 01:40.41 | gcbirzan | Or 10. |
| 01:40.48 | Guerin | overrider: they have different shit on them |
| 01:40.55 | JordiGH | gcbirzan: It's kind of a shame that we want to copy user interfaces. Then MacOS X comes up with a new interface and ours looks old. :-/ |
| 01:40.57 | gcbirzan | Make that 11. Duh. |
| 01:40.58 | Guerin | gcbirzan: it depends if you understand binary or not |
| 01:41.04 | concept10 | JordiGH, Ive always hated those icons. Probably one of the reasons I didnt like KDE from the start |
| 01:41.08 | wols_ | overrider: the less used a package is, it gets put on a later CD. CD23 has the packages used the least by the typical user |
| 01:41.12 | wols_ | !tell overrider about popcon |
| 01:41.23 | gcbirzan | Guerin: 12-1 is 11 in most bases I know of. :-P |
| 01:41.24 | concept10 | JordiGH, but those new KDE icons kick ass. |
| 01:41.40 | Guerin | concept10: how can an icon kick arse? |
| 01:41.42 | gcbirzan | Guerin: Though. 10... Now that's a challenge. :-P |
| 01:41.46 | wols_ | Guerin: not to mention ther eis no binary number 12 |
| 01:41.49 | Guerin | ideally an icon would just sit there doing nothing |
| 01:41.57 | Guerin | wols_: enough with your logic! |
| 01:41.57 | mfrisch | wols_ I'm in menuconfig..device drivers...then scsi or what? |
| 01:41.59 | Guerin | jeeze |
| 01:42.02 | asg | wols_: if everyone used popcon, cd1 would contain beryl and less, screen, and mutt would be on cd8 |
| 01:42.18 | JordiGH | Hey, Iceweasel crashed again! :-( |
| 01:42.20 | overrider | wol_s, to be honest, i would just like a console install of debian, no need for x etc for now |
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| 01:42.39 | Guerin | overrider: i suggest you refer to the install guide |
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| 01:42.49 | concept10 | Guerin, I guess you didnt see that Beastie icon on my desktop. He scared the tux icon off of my bottom panel. |
| 01:42.50 | wols_ | asg: the trick with democracy (be it elections or debian popcon) is who counts the votes. you need to listen mor to Papa Joe |
| 01:42.54 | overrider | Guerin, yes |
| 01:42.55 | wols_ | Stalin that is |
| 01:43.06 | JordiGH | overrider: Get the netinstall, then. It'll ask if you want a desktop at some point, just say no. |
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| 01:43.16 | wols_ | overrider: get a netinstall ISO and start |
| 01:43.29 | asg | wols_: the trick with democracy is simply that, while theoretically everyone can vote, only a select few actually do. |
| 01:43.43 | wols_ | asg: still to many |
| 01:43.45 | gcbirzan | asg: And it's usually the wrong ones. |
| 01:43.55 | asg | gcbirzan: of course |
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| 01:44.04 | Guerin | the idea is to make shit so (choose one or more) boring/complicated/dangerous that nobody cares |
| 01:44.14 | streuner | Does somebody use udev in etch and use a 2.6.16 kernel? |
| 01:44.20 | JordiGH | Speaking of Beastie and Tux.... this is what free software looks like in the place I hail from: http://www.unixmexico.net/logo.jpg |
| 01:44.20 | concept10 | I expect GNOME to start dying off after the next iteration of KDE |
| 01:44.23 | Guerin | i must say that those in power around the world are singularly failing at this simple task |
| 01:44.34 | JordiGH | concept10: Really? |
| 01:44.39 | JordiGH | GNOME is looking really nice... |
| 01:44.54 | JordiGH | My girlfriend preferred GNOME over KDE. She says it's simple but elegant. |
| 01:44.59 | wols_ | streuner: have you been taken over by aliens so that you pose such a stupid question? |
| 01:45.09 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: Linus would have something to say about her... |
| 01:45.20 | wintix | ;) |
| 01:45.21 | streuner | wols_: iam serious |
| 01:45.28 | wols_ | streuner: me too |
| 01:45.39 | gcbirzan | streuner: You voted, did you not? |
| 01:45.41 | streuner | wols_: there aren't stupid questions... |
| 01:45.47 | wols_ | !anyone use udev in etch with 2.6.16 kernel |
| 01:45.47 | dpkg | No, no one uses udev in etch with 2.6.16 kernel, not even the people who use it. |
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| 01:46.11 | gcbirzan | streuner: I'll try to answer your question. I bet _you_ are using udev on a 2.6.16 kernel, on Etch. |
| 01:46.11 | wols_ | streuner: it is a stupid question and you know it. cause you didn't want to know if anyone ran that combo |
| 01:46.32 | wols_ | streuner: ask your real question instead |
| 01:46.33 | streuner | ok, i rephrase the question, does somebody use udev with a 2.6.16 kernel and without any problems? |
| 01:46.34 | concept10 | JordiGH, there is no innovation happening in GNOME. There are many things that need work. They do have many contributors. They remove features from each release and work on bullshit instead (like control panel). KDE is furthering the platform. Even though I don't like KDE, they have some vision and they are working towards it and have a vibrant community. |
| 01:46.37 | gcbirzan | Or, the short version, "yes". |
| 01:46.41 | streuner | !shoot wols_ |
| 01:46.45 | wintix | lol |
| 01:46.59 | wols_ | streuner: it's still not your real question.. |
| 01:47.01 | concept10 | JordiGH, That should be "do NOT have many contributors"" |
| 01:47.03 | gcbirzan | Uzis are so 90s. |
| 01:47.11 | Guerin | streuner: worksforme |
| 01:47.15 | mfrisch | 80's |
| 01:47.20 | JordiGH | concept10: Wow, really? That sounds kinda scary. I actually like choice. I was thinking of using GNOME next time. |
| 01:47.26 | streuner | Guerin: thanks. |
| 01:47.26 | wols_ | Guerin: with kernel 2.6.16? |
| 01:47.40 | mfrisch | JordiGH I use parts of each... |
| 01:47.41 | Guerin | wols_: yes. |
| 01:48.12 | Guerin | wols_: there remains an annoying filesystem bug in 2.6.18->2.6.20 which means rtorrent can't write out to disk properly |
| 01:48.13 | abrotman | JordiGH: wrong damn channel |
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| 01:48.26 | gcbirzan | The only two non KDE apps I use are Iceweasel and gajim. Konqueror doesn't really appeal to me and, well, psi is utterly retarded. |
| 01:48.28 | Guerin | since I'm too lazy to BTFS i just run an old kernel |
| 01:48.33 | concept10 | JordiGH, GNOME is nice, it works, but everything else is much better. For example Nautilus. Slowest and biggest file manager out there. |
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| 01:48.38 | wintix | streuner: |
| 01:48.41 | wintix | err |
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| 01:49.05 | DawnLight | how do i get utf8 displayed correctly in terminal? |
| 01:49.06 | JordiGH | abrotman: If it concerns Gnome, it concerns Debian. If I suggest that Ubuntu could spur Gnome development and help Debian, I'm not being offtopic. |
| 01:49.06 | concept10 | Meanwhile every other file manager on linux has nice speed |
| 01:49.32 | wols_ | mfrisch: in "drivers" thereis a menu "serial ata" and inside there there is "via sata support". compile that in |
| 01:49.48 | Guerin | i find /bin/sh is *incredibly* fast |
| 01:49.50 | Guerin | i mean |
| 01:49.50 | concept10 | JordiGH, Ubuntu guys are "packagers" They do not do much "development" |
| 01:49.57 | Guerin | I just can't give it commands fast enough |
| 01:49.57 | JordiGH | concept10: Slow? Big? |
| 01:49.58 | abrotman | some of them do |
| 01:50.26 | JordiGH | concept10: Ubuntu does some development. And my point is more that the widespread usage Gnome is getting in Ubuntu could count for something. |
| 01:50.39 | Guerin | DawnLight: dpkg-reconfigure locales. Do you mean a terminal emulator, or a linux console? |
| 01:51.43 | concept10 | some development yes, but in reality alot of what we have in Debian and Ubuntu is alot of "packagers" Yes. I know, development occurs, but I mean, there are not teams dedicated to doing stuff such as SuSE. They have loads of people working on GNOME. |
| 01:52.21 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:53.02 | Guerin | you know |
| 01:53.02 | JordiGH | Guerin: Like meat packagers. |
| 01:53.06 | Guerin | people like overfiend |
| 01:53.11 | Guerin | and vorlon |
| 01:53.13 | asg | Guerin: they would probably write about it in their ikiwikis |
| 01:53.18 | Guerin | and manoj |
| 01:53.23 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:53.35 | streuner | Don't mention the other 1000 DD's :-) |
| 01:53.47 | streuner | :-) |
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| 01:53.49 | concept10 | I call it how I see it. Packaging isn't the same as Software Engineering |
| 01:53.50 | mfrisch | wols_ I am going crazy I don't have it...I got scsi I got ATA/ATAPI/MFB/RLL |
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| 01:54.09 | streuner | ah, another one |
| 01:54.16 | JordiGH | concept10: What about bug fixing? |
| 01:54.36 | Guerin | concept10: because none of those guys do any software engineering. It's not like they invenbted things like apt, kernel-package, m-a |
| 01:54.38 | concept10 | That's different |
| 01:54.54 | concept10 | creating apt is development |
| 01:54.59 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:55.09 | concept10 | im not saying that they haven't done _any_ development |
| 01:55.14 | stew | concept10: yeah, and the last major upgrade to apt came from ubuntu :) |
| 01:55.15 | JordiGH | Most DD's have to handle bugs and understand the package well enough to maintain it. If upstream doesn't/can't/won't fix it, the DD is supposed to do it. |
| 01:55.23 | asg | Guerin: it's not proper engineering since they didn't spend years doing use-cases and peer group analysis |
| 01:55.29 | streuner | stew: well... |
| 01:55.47 | streuner | that whole discussion isn't useful... |
| 01:55.53 | Guerin | asg: heh |
| 01:55.55 | concept10 | maybe not |
| 01:55.58 | Guerin | asg: no TPS reports either |
| 01:55.59 | streuner | no |
| 01:56.17 | JordiGH | stew: I saw Ubuntu's apt a while ago. It seems to know about unused packages now. |
| 01:56.22 | asg | Guerin: no need, plenty of time for Gantt chart fun |
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| 01:56.28 | concept10 | Im not saying it's bad. I appreciate what we have. |
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| 01:57.12 | DawnLight | guerin, my console displays hebrew all reveresed and the terminals display ?'s instead |
| 01:57.29 | concept10 | I was just making the point that we do not have teams dedicated to doing these types of this. SuSE has engineering teams, and some of the stuff they release still sucks. So i guess it really doesnt matter as long as it works |
| 01:58.05 | Guerin | DawnLight: you probably need a terminal capable of bidi utf-8 - try rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 01:58.20 | Guerin | concept10: SOME? |
| 01:58.33 | Guerin | sounds like someone hasn't had to use SuSE |
| 01:58.37 | abrotman | try suse in text mode :) |
| 01:58.52 | DawnLight | Guerin, what's that? |
| 01:59.03 | Guerin | i had to the other day, to install a bunch of gear on a broken proprietary raid setup |
| 01:59.24 | Guerin | the SLES kernel comes with the module blob, but not the SLES xen kernel ... |
| 01:59.30 | Guerin | DawnLight: it's a terminal emulator. |
| 01:59.44 | DawnLight | can't find in the reop, Guerin |
| 01:59.46 | DawnLight | repos |
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| 02:00.00 | wols_ | mfrisch: what kernel version? |
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| 02:00.11 | concept10 | I never used SuSE longer than a week. I have no plans on ever using it now. Unless forced by job, which may not ever happen |
| 02:00.15 | Guerin | DawnLight: aptitude search rxvt |
| 02:00.32 | mfrisch | wols_ 2.6.16.29-xen |
| 02:00.37 | wols_ | mfrisch: grep -i sata_via /boot/config* |
| 02:00.40 | DawnLight | got it! |
| 02:00.54 | Guerin | hurrah |
| 02:01.01 | streuner | wols_: Do you have vacation or what? |
| 02:01.09 | mfrisch | wols_ vanilla source converted to xen..trying the no initrd like you said! |
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| 02:01.25 | wols_ | streuner: no, why? |
| 02:01.40 | streuner | wols_: because its 3 am in morning here in .de :-) |
| 02:01.42 | wols_ | streuner: but a seriously fucked up sleep pattern |
| 02:01.52 | streuner | drink a beer |
| 02:02.00 | wols_ | I know. which begs the question why you are here? |
| 02:02.04 | wols_ | I doN#t drink beer |
| 02:02.11 | streuner | wols_: the same ;-) |
| 02:02.34 | rainabba | I installed GRUB to the wrong disk (one I had temp intalled). From the netinstaller CD, how do I go about installing GRUB again (to the right hdd) w/o going through a full install again? I'm in the expertgui mode and after the basics I tried to INSTALL GRUB and the installer was trying to get me to go through partitioning and install base, etc... again. |
| 02:03.09 | concept10 | beer keeps you up later |
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| 02:03.14 | mfrisch | wols_ CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_VIA=m for Debian's xen nothing for the custom |
| 02:03.18 | purplepenguins | hello |
| 02:03.59 | purplepenguins | is there an easy way to upgrade an old debian server? |
| 02:03.59 | wols_ | is the Xen patch eating drivers? |
| 02:04.13 | wols_ | purplepenguins: how old? |
| 02:04.17 | streuner | purplepenguins: what's installed atm? |
| 02:04.17 | purplepenguins | it's running woody |
| 02:04.19 | wols_ | e.g. what version of debian does it run? |
| 02:04.30 | purplepenguins | I think |
| 02:04.35 | purplepenguins | it looks like woody |
| 02:04.38 | wols_ | purplepenguins: car /etc/debian_version |
| 02:04.39 | streuner | purplepenguins: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 02:04.51 | purplepenguins | 3.0 |
| 02:05.00 | mfrisch | wols_ man it does all sorts of stuff I would rather not know about...it builds the kernels from three source dirs |
| 02:05.11 | purplepenguins | and it's using 2.2.x kernel |
| 02:05.13 | streuner | purplepenguins: ok, read Release-Notes about sarge |
| 02:05.24 | wols_ | !tell purplepenguins about woody->sarge |
| 02:05.36 | wols_ | purplepenguins: upgrade to a 2.4 kernel first I'd say |
| 02:05.37 | purplepenguins | I'm not really experienced with debian |
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| 02:06.19 | purplepenguins | I learned Linux with it on Woody back during the 2.4 days but I've since switched around |
| 02:06.35 | purplepenguins | distros |
| 02:06.43 | wols_ | get a 2.4 kernel from archive.debian.org, then do what dpkg told you |
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| 02:08.13 | streuner | wols_: did you ever read 'Release-Notes'? |
| 02:08.16 | purplepenguins | where is the kernel source here? |
| 02:09.33 | wols_ | streuner: release what? |
| 02:09.38 | wols_ | why? |
| 02:10.32 | wols_ | purplepenguins: nowhere most probably. apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 02:10.39 | streuner | wols_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.de.html |
| 02:11.05 | purplepenguins | it kinda lacks X, so I'm trudging around with lynx atm |
| 02:11.13 | streuner | purplepenguins: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.html |
| 02:11.45 | streuner | wols_: Release Notes give detailed instructions how to install and upgrade from previous versions of Debian.. |
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| 02:12.08 | purplepenguins | hmm, better not do it over ssh |
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| 02:12.32 | streuner | if its remote you should lern some other lessons as well... |
| 02:12.43 | mmlj4 | i can't find dig or nslookup on my box... what else besides bind9 am I supposed to install to get those? |
| 02:12.52 | streuner | dnsutils |
| 02:13.00 | wols_ | !tell mmlj4 about search |
| 02:13.04 | wils0n___ | do you really need bind9 ? |
| 02:13.06 | wils0n___ | Isnt that the server? |
| 02:13.07 | wols_ | pdo is your friend |
| 02:13.14 | wols_ | wils0n___: it is |
| 02:13.31 | streuner | wols_: <search> would be very hard in order to search for 'dig' ... |
| 02:13.38 | mindframe_ | how do i get adobe flash player to work in amd64 build of debian? |
| 02:13.39 | mmlj4 | wils0n___: yes, it's the bloody server.... most distros have a package called bindutils to go along with it |
| 02:13.44 | wols_ | streuner: bin/dig and you WILL find it. definitely |
| 02:13.56 | streuner | mindframe: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 02:14.24 | wols_ | yep. only one hit for bin/dig |
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| 02:16.10 | streuner | mindframe: just ask in #debian-amd64, most users here just use x86... |
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| 02:17.14 | mfrisch | mindframe unless you want gnash there isn't a flash player available for amd-64 |
| 02:17.41 | kjhgkjhg | how do i rmdir a directory with stuff in it? |
| 02:18.12 | streuner | well, i would use 'mc' :-) |
| 02:18.15 | Guerin | kjhgkjhg: you don't; rmdir only works on emnpty dirs. |
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| 02:19.19 | kjhgkjhg | Guerin, i've... kinda figured that out... how about an alternative? |
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| 02:19.43 | bknitram | rm -R dir/* |
| 02:19.46 | bknitram | rmdir dir |
| 02:19.51 | smacnay | after creating a large lvm volume group on a new Deb install, how do I access it on the first boot. |
| 02:19.52 | streuner | isn't a filemanager an alternative? |
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| 02:20.00 | Guerin | kjhgkjhg: rm -r |
| 02:20.02 | smacnay | I see it as /dev/hda6 |
| 02:20.17 | bknitram | And if it contains hidden files, throw in a rm -R dir/.* |
| 02:20.28 | smacnay | I want to link its logical volumes to dir on / |
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| 02:22.34 | streuner | kjhgkjhg: just use 'mc', you don't need X for it |
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| 02:23.28 | streuner | !info mc |
| 02:23.39 | dpkg | mc: (midnight commander - a powerful file manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 2087 kB, Installed size: 5396 kB |
| 02:24.18 | bknitram | mc is bloated... its easier to use rm -R dir/* && rmdir dir |
| 02:24.36 | bknitram | Or bloated for this task... |
| 02:24.47 | streuner | its always the same, there two debian users, and 3 different statements :-) |
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| 02:28.33 | wils0n___ | petemc: blah |
| 02:28.45 | wils0n___ | rather, mc: blah |
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| 02:30.49 | jordanb | man. |
| 02:30.56 | jordanb | Debian really needs to fix the mailing lits. |
| 02:30.58 | jordanb | lists. |
| 02:31.20 | jordanb | I'm looing at them and every one that looks interesting is full of spam. |
| 02:31.42 | streuner | that's normal for ML's |
| 02:31.50 | jordanb | Well. |
| 02:31.53 | streuner | don't subsribe then |
| 02:32.13 | jordanb | Not if it's 1) administered and 2) restricted to subscribers. |
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| 02:32.34 | streuner | There are always pro and cons about |
| 02:32.56 | streuner | the same in IRC, if you want free IRC you have to deal with disadvantages as well... |
| 02:33.05 | jordanb | It's nice to have open mailing lists sure, but spam is bad enough that it's not something you can do anymore. |
| 02:33.12 | jordanb | IRC does *not* get spam like mail does. |
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| 02:34.02 | jordanb | If the signal to noise ratio on your ML is, at best, 1:1, with 1:2 or worse on quiet lists, you might as well have a usenet group. |
| 02:34.12 | jordanb | It's a craphole. |
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| 02:34.55 | Langly1 | boot dkc1 |
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| 02:35.29 | jordanb | Anyway, I started looking through the lists to see if there's one where I can track progress on the next release. |
| 02:35.35 | jordanb | Can't seem to find on ethough. |
| 02:35.55 | wols | jordanb: debian announce |
| 02:36.08 | wols | it gets a daily progrss report in form of a listing of RC bugs |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | debian-devel-announce and debian-announce |
| 02:36.21 | jordanb | Oh I didn't know that. |
| 02:36.33 | jordanb | RC isn't the only thing they have to do yet though, I thought. |
| 02:36.39 | jordanb | I mean, bug fixes. |
| 02:36.45 | wols | jordanb: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 02:37.07 | wols | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00012.html |
| 02:37.31 | jordanb | The last debian announce message was from Joe Schultze announcing a minor update for 3.1. |
| 02:38.14 | wols | debian-devel-announce, sry |
| 02:38.26 | jordanb | wols, Thanks, that looks like the one I want. |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | jordanb: debian-devel-announce |
| 02:39.14 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 02:39.16 | wols | of course according to the timeline we should be at 20 RC bugs but there are still 68 bugs... |
| 02:39.35 | abrotman | there are 39 |
| 02:39.35 | jordanb | abrotman, Thanks to you too then. :) |
| 02:39.49 | dondelelcaro | wols: that list is wrong, btw. |
| 02:39.53 | wols | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ says 68 |
| 02:40.07 | abrotman | http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 02:40.09 | wols | dondelelcaro: you told me before, but I see it on my monitor so it must be true |
| 02:40.09 | dondelelcaro | wols: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html <-- more accurage |
| 02:40.13 | dondelelcaro | s/age/ate/ |
| 02:40.18 | jordanb | Is fixing the RC bugs all that's left to do? I thought they were still working on the installer too. |
| 02:40.34 | dondelelcaro | jordanb: that's all that's left to do |
| 02:40.34 | purplepenguins | how do you get dhclient to work at boot? |
| 02:40.44 | JordiGH | The installer looks ok to me. The GUI has some issues, though. |
| 02:40.48 | Guerin | purplepenguins: man interfaces |
| 02:40.58 | Guerin | JordiGH: like what? |
| 02:41.02 | dondelelcaro | and really, it's only fixing the bugs that are TU; those that are marked T have probably already been fixed |
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| 02:42.12 | JordiGH | Guerin: On two separate machines, during install it happened that the lists with checkboxes the selected item would be invisible. |
| 02:42.15 | purplepenguins | I checked that page already, and I added an entry for eth0 and dhcp |
| 02:42.17 | overrider | yeah, just tried the etch netinstall, but as soon i am getting to where one has to choose a language, the keyboard does not accept any input. |
| 02:42.21 | purplepenguins | but it doesn't start dhclient |
| 02:42.26 | Guerin | JordiGH: funky. |
| 02:42.36 | wols | purplepenguins: put it in a pastebin |
| 02:42.43 | wols | purplepenguins: probably missing the auto line |
| 02:42.59 | purplepenguins | put what in pastebin? my /etc/networks/interfaces file? |
| 02:43.06 | wols | yes |
| 02:43.07 | JordiGH | Guerin: Also, the yes/no radio buttons have to go, but that's more of a design issue than a real bug. |
| 02:43.24 | purplepenguins | the entry for eth0 reads |
| 02:43.30 | purplepenguins | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 02:43.43 | wols | purplepenguins: and where is the line with "auto"? |
| 02:43.48 | JordiGH | Guerin: A button should say what it's going to do. Not "long question, then yes/no." This is how people miss the fine print, y'know. |
| 02:44.03 | purplepenguins | doh |
| 02:44.04 | JordiGH | Guerin: Although it was kinda nice that the default option selected all the time was the safe one. |
| 02:44.20 | wols | jordanb: thank dd for small favours? |
| 02:44.28 | bwlang | i'm on the search for a web program for tracking hours spent on projects... i've found a few on freshmeat, but just have people putting in hours at the end of the day. Instead I want them to start timers on projects... Anybody heard of such an app? |
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| 02:45.13 | Guerin | JordiGH: well, duh. |
| 02:45.35 | jetscreamer | yeah there's even a few in sources, web based |
| 02:45.50 | jetscreamer | phpprojekt is one |
| 02:45.53 | ironfroggy | is there an easy software RAID5 solution that will let me list any file like things i want? |
| 02:45.54 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 02:46.15 | bwlang | jetscreamer: hmm i didn't even think of these groupware things... have you used it? |
| 02:46.16 | ironfroggy | for example, a harddrive locally and a file on another? |
| 02:46.32 | bwlang | ironfroggy: look into iscsi |
| 02:46.46 | jetscreamer | i messed around with a few, but mostly windows based, and it was a few years ago |
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| 02:47.26 | jetscreamer | bwlang: ms even has a starter kit for one, but of course it's ms. |
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| 02:47.31 | jetscreamer | .aspx |
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| 02:47.50 | jetscreamer | bwlang: there are quite a few on sourceforge, iirc |
| 02:48.22 | bwlang | jetscreamer: i've looked at a few, but none seem to work as i want (with timers for different projects) |
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| 02:49.16 | jordanb | Is it true that shuttleworth slowed down gnome development in Debian by threatening to fire the gnome maintainer (who works for shuttleworth) if he submitted gnome faster than it went into ubuntu? |
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| 02:50.30 | streuner | no |
| 02:51.25 | dondelelcaro | jordanb: there's a team that does gnome packaging for Debian, so no, that's highly unlikely. |
| 02:51.25 | jordanb | Oh. |
| 02:51.47 | jordanb | http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/msg03788.html <-- I guess this is bull then. |
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| 02:53.03 | OmnipotentlyAFK | I just installed a 32-bit chroot and I don't have name resolution on that chroot, what package do I need to install? |
| 02:53.05 | chascon | hello |
| 02:53.12 | f00li5h | maw |
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| 02:54.38 | f00li5h | where do i find the answer to the FAQ "how does one go about installing a particular version of am apt package?"? |
| 02:54.53 | abrotman | man apt-get |
| 02:54.59 | dondelelcaro | and read about the = option |
| 02:55.10 | f00li5h | = option, neat |
| 02:55.13 | f00li5h | thanks |
| 02:55.26 | dondelelcaro | (or easier, use aptitude's curses interface) |
| 02:55.36 | Langly1 | guided partitioning on Alpha's is massivly OVERSIZING the / #3 partition when it calculates partitions |
| 02:55.53 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: by how much? |
| 02:55.56 | Langly1 | is this a known bug, how much is it screwing up by so I can hand fix it |
| 02:55.59 | Langly1 | dont know |
| 02:56.25 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: what are the sizes? Have you checked the bts? |
| 02:56.39 | Langly1 | I just know IF i go to change size, dont change size and hit enter it tells me its to large |
| 02:56.53 | Langly1 | and its been on 3 diff hard drives as I have been tweaking with stuff |
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| 02:56.55 | Langly1 | bts? |
| 02:57.06 | streuner | !bts |
| 02:57.06 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 02:57.27 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: it'd also help if we knew which installer you were using |
| 02:58.28 | chascon | I was able to get into a root shell and reset root and account passwords but halt, and shutdown -h now all give me a weird errors. |
| 02:58.32 | chascon | "Warning could not determine run level- doing a soft halt shutdown:warning cannot open /var/run/shutdown.pid shutdown:timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl init:timeout open/ ..." |
| 02:58.36 | Langly1 | what ever debian-31r5-hppa-netinst.iso is] |
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| 02:58.56 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: that's the sarge installer. It's quite likely that whatever bug you're seeing has been fixed long ago |
| 02:59.16 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: partition by hand, or if you want to see if the bug still exists, use the etch rc2 installer. |
| 02:59.26 | Langly1 | downloaded the top installer in current |
| 02:59.34 | Langly1 | what SHOULD I be using? |
| 02:59.37 | streuner | chascon: what do you use, debootstrap? |
| 02:59.56 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: if you want to install sarge, you should use what you've got. If you want to test the installer for etch, use the etch rc2 installer. |
| 03:00.37 | chascon | just an old testing hd debian install with which I had to hack grub to get into # |
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| 03:02.09 | mezmiro | When upgrading from Sarge to Etch, why do some packages get held back? |
| 03:02.23 | amphi | chascon: alt-sysrq-s alt-sysrq-u alt-sysrq-b ;) |
| 03:02.25 | mezmiro | I have a list of maybe 40 packages that are being held back. |
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| 03:02.48 | amphi | mezmiro: probably because they need to install new dependencies |
| 03:03.01 | streuner | mezmiro: depends cannot be satisfied or new packages would installed... |
| 03:03.23 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 03:03.23 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until it exits.. you may have to hit y or n somewhere though. |
| 03:03.59 | mezmiro | hmm..so don't edit sources..does that mean don't edit sources.list? |
| 03:04.19 | chascon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.31 | streuner | mezmiro: well, it wouldn't hurt to show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 03:04.38 | streuner | !paste |
| 03:04.38 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 03:05.07 | chascon | k |
| 03:05.24 | amphi | chascon: that syncs and remounts all mounted fs's ro |
| 03:05.32 | keram | where can i get the most up-to-date install iso? |
| 03:05.33 | amphi | chascon: before booting |
| 03:05.39 | keram | i want to reinstall on my laptop |
| 03:05.49 | streuner | !d-i keram |
| 03:05.50 | dpkg | keram, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:06.02 | OmnipotentEntity | I just installed a 32-bit chroot and I don't have name resolution on that chroot, what package do I need to install to gain the ability to turn http://http.us.debian.org into an IP? |
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| 03:06.06 | streuner | keram: use the second URL (etch/testing) installers |
| 03:06.10 | mezmiro | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5748 |
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| 03:06.25 | keram | streuner, yeah i wanted to install with etch |
| 03:06.48 | streuner | ok, use the second URL then |
| 03:06.53 | mezmiro | I just edited my sources.list and did an apt-get update, I haven't done the apt-get upgrade yet. |
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| 03:07.02 | streuner | there are stable ones and beta installers |
| 03:07.08 | streuner | IIRC |
| 03:07.17 | DawnLight | whoa |
| 03:07.17 | keram | streuner, isnt etch the same as testing? |
| 03:07.21 | streuner | yes |
| 03:07.27 | chascon | yes, but I'm just reading Alt-SysRq-B is like hard reboting but then again Alt-SysRq-S and Alt-SysRq-U syncs undaved buffers so it's better. Thanks, I'm unused to these non-ppc key combinations |
| 03:07.31 | dob1 | hi, i have some files, the dimension of them is more than 5gb (they are image of some partition), what is a simple way to backup them on dvd? |
| 03:07.43 | keram | streuner, should ig et the weekly built or the daily? |
| 03:07.46 | streuner | mezmiro: sources.list looks fine to me |
| 03:07.55 | sebell | Why do people still use apt-get? |
| 03:07.57 | streuner | keram: good question |
| 03:08.28 | chascon | apt-get rules, that's why |
| 03:08.50 | chascon | faster than waiting for a gui app to start up |
| 03:09.18 | mezmiro | okay. |
| 03:09.25 | DawnLight | will anyone write a little tiny script for me please? i have it written down in english but i don't know any programming language! it's a small text find/replace with simple rules: http://pastebin.ca/401110 |
| 03:09.25 | orfeu | and faster than yum ... :) |
| 03:09.30 | sebell | `aptitude' provides cmd-line workalike to apt-get, with improved dependency resolution. |
| 03:09.47 | mezmiro | I ph34r aptitude. |
| 03:09.53 | mezmiro | The last time I did aptitude, my kernel got hosed. |
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| 03:10.06 | chascon | definately faster than yum, which was a bad reinvention of the wheel |
| 03:10.13 | Reiser_x | hi |
| 03:10.19 | Reiser_x | i ned a channel of php |
| 03:10.29 | Reiser_x | but i can enter in #php |
| 03:10.32 | streuner | #php sounds promising |
| 03:10.36 | streuner | why not? |
| 03:10.59 | Reiser_x | send me to ##overflow |
| 03:11.05 | mezmiro | Even more packages are held back when I try to use aptitude.... |
| 03:11.13 | streuner | hm |
| 03:11.15 | mezmiro | Could it be my kernel version? |
| 03:11.19 | streuner | no |
| 03:11.32 | Reiser_x | http://www.pastebin.ca/401113 |
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| 03:11.51 | Reiser_x | is a rare thing, all code run , but with that fuction no |
| 03:12.21 | militant | is it still advisable to take an old p2 400mhz and stick a bunch of nics in it, use iptables, make it my router/firewall, so i can trash this failing linksys? |
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| 03:12.30 | streuner | mezmiro: most of them just install other packages, just use 'apt-get install <package>' |
| 03:12.44 | mezmiro | So go through the list and install all of them? |
| 03:12.50 | streuner | yes |
| 03:13.23 | streuner | apt-get install package1 package2 package3 |
| 03:13.26 | streuner | works too... |
| 03:13.34 | mezmiro | oooo |
| 03:13.38 | mezmiro | that's nifty |
| 03:13.40 | streuner | just cut and paste them |
| 03:15.10 | \amethyst | DawnLight: What is your definition of "email address"? Complete RFC 2822, or something a little more limited? |
| 03:15.25 | Marupa | got a 'portability' question: |
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| 03:16.20 | Marupa | if I copy everything file by file from / to a separate drive, make sure the drive it's on is bootable, then swap the current boot disk with the one I just swapped the files onto, will it boot and run just like it did before I swapped drives? |
| 03:17.08 | OmnipotentEntity | Marupa, dd it. |
| 03:17.23 | OmnipotentEntity | if the destination is larger than the source. |
| 03:17.48 | OmnipotentEntity | But yes, it *ought* to work, if you do it right. |
| 03:17.49 | DawnLight | \amethyst, i don't know what RFC 2822 is. email will be <space>*@*<space> |
| 03:18.24 | mezmiro | Hmm..so are there any programs that depend on the 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:18.34 | f00li5h | DawnLight: what language are you checking this in? |
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| 03:19.05 | streuner | mezmiro: yes |
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| 03:19.31 | mezmiro | Ahh..so upgrading the kernel is definately in my best interest.. |
| 03:19.36 | DawnLight | i don't know, fOOli5h, anything that will work... |
| 03:19.45 | streuner | mezmiro: not always |
| 03:19.48 | Marupa | ok, cause 2GB of space is NOT enough for my server any more X3 |
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| 03:20.06 | Marupa | I put in a 9GB drive and wanted to port it over and use the 2GB as a little extra. |
| 03:20.13 | streuner | mezmiro: if you have limited HARDWARE just stay with a 2.4.x kernel |
| 03:20.20 | f00li5h | DawnLight: each (programming) language will have it's own libraries for validating email addresses |
| 03:20.20 | mezmiro | I've been trying for the longest time to play MKV files, but mplayer, vlc, etc...can't read the video stream. |
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| 03:20.47 | Marupa | OmnipotentEntity, is it safe? |
| 03:20.53 | militant | streuner um, on an athlon 1.3ghz with a gig of ram... would i have been better off staying with a 2.4? |
| 03:20.56 | mezmiro | and I would say it's a codec issue, but supposedly mplayer is supposed to play -everything,- and I was wondering if it was the old kernel version I have, or what. |
| 03:20.59 | f00li5h | DawnLight: Perl's RegExp::Common has a fairly indepth regex for RFC2822 email addresses (ie all addresses) |
| 03:21.05 | streuner | mill: no |
| 03:21.13 | streuner | militant: no |
| 03:21.16 | militant | ok |
| 03:21.16 | mezmiro | Well, P4 2.53GHz, 256mb ram (yeah I need more). |
| 03:21.16 | militant | good |
| 03:21.35 | Marupa | OmnipotentEntity, Mind talking me through it? |
| 03:21.47 | Marupa | as much as I know, I really, really don't want to screw it up. |
| 03:21.57 | militant | bbl star trek |
| 03:22.04 | OmnipotentEntity | DawnLight, perl -ne 's/^.*\s(\w[\w\d]*@\w+)\s/EMAIL:\1/' should do it |
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| 03:22.37 | \amethyst | \w[\w\d]*@\w+ is a horrible RE for an email address |
| 03:22.39 | DawnLight | should do what? |
| 03:22.40 | f00li5h | OmnipotentEntity: but that's not even lose |
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| 03:22.46 | f00li5h | s/lose/close/ |
| 03:22.53 | mezmiro | Hmm...could I just upgrade by killing x and all my programs streuner? |
| 03:23.06 | mezmiro | It seems like it can't upgrade because some programs are running. |
| 03:23.10 | DawnLight | that's it? |
| 03:23.21 | streuner | mezmiro: that's NOT windows :-) |
| 03:23.28 | mezmiro | lol |
| 03:23.39 | streuner | mezmiro: in Debian you just upgrade |
| 03:23.52 | DawnLight | how do i use it, OmnipotentEntity? |
| 03:24.35 | mezmiro | Interesting. |
| 03:25.05 | rainabba | So... some 5 hours later I finally have an install up and running and go to log in as the user created in the install and it won't take the password. Please tell me there's a quick fix here (not another install). |
| 03:25.06 | mezmiro | wow, it's going to remove like 503mb of space -_- |
| 03:25.08 | mezmiro | What's with that? |
| 03:25.14 | OmnipotentEntity | Well, 1) if DawnLight is some kinda spammer he can hire someone to tell him just what you did, that Regexp::Common has a RFC2822 compliant thinger, and if he isn't he's not going to bother with it. 2) RFC2822 is mindlessly complicated, alpha numeric@alpha is good enough for 90% and he's probably not using it to do much heavy lifting. |
| 03:25.24 | mezmiro | Why would apt-get remove packages? |
| 03:25.37 | streuner | mezmiro: sounds like you forget one big package |
| 03:25.55 | OmnipotentEntity | Marupa, how large is the source and how large is the destination? |
| 03:25.56 | streuner | mezmiro: like KDE or GNOME :-) |
| 03:26.13 | OmnipotentEntity | Marupa, are you going to completely replace the drive in the same IDE channel? |
| 03:26.13 | mezmiro | Grrr |
| 03:26.24 | mezmiro | A lot of the upgraded packages require some gnome libs to be upgraded. |
| 03:26.34 | madman420 | just installed Debian 3.1, no sound in Gnome 2.8.3 |
| 03:26.38 | streuner | sure, that's it |
| 03:26.39 | mezmiro | So I tried to upgrade one and it wanted to remove 503mb :/ which included gnome. |
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| 03:26.55 | OmnipotentEntity | Dawnlight, just use this on your commandline. |
| 03:26.56 | streuner | just run 'apt-get install gnome' afterwards |
| 03:27.04 | mezmiro | lol |
| 03:27.07 | mezmiro | okay |
| 03:27.13 | mezmiro | and whatever else it removed? |
| 03:27.18 | OmnipotentEntity | perl -ne 's/^.*\s(\w[\w\d]*@[\w\d\.]+)\s/EMAIL:\1/' < file.txt |
| 03:27.19 | streuner | sure |
| 03:27.25 | mezmiro | sounds like guesswork! |
| 03:27.33 | DawnLight | wow let me try! |
| 03:27.37 | mezmiro | but I have a feeling a lot of these dependencies are guesswork |
| 03:27.39 | streuner | you'll get some experience about |
| 03:27.46 | streuner | nah |
| 03:27.49 | mezmiro | lol |
| 03:28.01 | OmnipotentEntity | Again, not 100% but it won't destroy anything if doesn't work 100% |
| 03:28.05 | OmnipotentEntity | Make a backup anyway. |
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| 03:29.17 | madman420 | what do I have to do to get sound enabled in gnome? |
| 03:29.31 | DawnLight | OmnipotentEntity, i have some weird bug that is scrambling the text when i select it (WTF?) so do you mind posting it somewhere not irc? |
| 03:29.37 | streuner | madman420: run 'alsaconf' and disable ESD |
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| 03:29.45 | madman420 | thankyou |
| 03:29.48 | mfrisch | wols hey I'm a moron...I found sata in scsi! THANKS for the help! |
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| 03:30.22 | OmnipotentEntity | http://rafb.net/p/hLyoiy82.html |
| 03:30.47 | mezmiro | I hope I'm not hosing my system x.x |
| 03:30.52 | rainabba | So... some 5 hours later I finally have an install up and running and go to log in as the user created in the install and it won't take the password. Please tell me there's a quick fix here (not another install). |
| 03:31.23 | sebell | Do you have root access? type `passwd <user>' to change it. |
| 03:31.31 | mfrisch | rainabba smooth...use a rescue cd chroot passwd user fixed |
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| 03:32.08 | rainabba | Not able to login at all. I can use the netinstall CD for rescue? |
| 03:32.18 | sebell | Even if you don't have your root password, just boot into single-user mode (append `su' to your GRUB boot line) |
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| 03:32.35 | amphi | rainabba: or boot with 'init=/bin/bash', remount . |
| 03:32.52 | amphi | er, remount / rw and run passwd to taste |
| 03:33.10 | amacnay_ | I would like to netinstall debian and configure one large lvm partition to handle directories such as /var and /usr. |
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| 03:33.28 | niru | hello all |
| 03:33.43 | niru | I am trying to print to the linux machine from windows XP |
| 03:33.50 | niru | but the rpint is garbage |
| 03:33.55 | amacnay_ | Is a small / primary partition and a large logical lvm partition feasible? |
| 03:33.58 | niru | may I know how to solve this |
| 03:34.21 | mfrisch | amacnay_ most people have a /boot partition and the rest lvm |
| 03:34.22 | madman420 | how do I disable esound ? |
| 03:34.38 | \amethyst | you don't need the colon |
| 03:34.40 | \amethyst | doh |
| 03:35.02 | Marupa | ok, sorry, could you PM me? this isn't working with me being semi-afk occasionally |
| 03:35.11 | Marupa | to OmnipotentEntity * |
| 03:35.42 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: ah, a boot partiton that is flagged bootable. Can a system start up without seeing a / or root partition? |
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| 03:36.16 | mfrisch | amacnay_ yes |
| 03:36.56 | DawnLight | OmnipotentEntity, it doen't do it and it doesn't tell me anything |
| 03:37.45 | litage | what other operating systems besides GNU can use Linux as its kernel? |
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| 03:37.52 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: thanks - how many logical volumes (corresponding to the /var /usr /home etc.. directories) need to be defined on install? Or can that be done later? |
| 03:38.38 | mfrisch | amacnay_ thats up to you...but most people have leftover space for scratch |
| 03:39.10 | OmnipotentEntity | DawnLight, do you have PMs turned on? |
| 03:39.36 | mezmiro | I hope Dawn doesn't have PMS turned on. |
| 03:39.40 | mezmiro | That would be baaad. |
| 03:39.55 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: so space to add logical volumes if needed? btw, what is a reasonable /boot size for a setup like this? /swap is in the lvm? |
| 03:40.38 | DawnLight | i don't know what that is |
| 03:40.43 | mfrisch | amacnay_ under a gig...swap can be on the lvm |
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| 03:41.07 | madman420 | how do i disable esound in deb 3.1 / gnome 2.8.3 ? Synaptic says gnome depends on esound when i try an uninstall. |
| 03:41.50 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: thanks. I misunderstood "leftover space" - is that unformatted or space in the lvm that is not assigned? |
| 03:43.16 | DawnLight | what's PMS?? |
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| 03:43.35 | mfrisch | amacnay_ unassigned space in the lvm. You can use it to create snapshots of your partitions...if you want to resize the partitions extra space is nice ;-) |
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| 03:44.06 | amacnay_ | thanks again - I read about snapshots. |
| 03:44.08 | DawnLight | am i going to die from PMS? |
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| 03:47.06 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: I guess I will try this again... just need to learn how to get the lvm partition to show up on boot. bbl thanks for the help. |
| 03:47.31 | lunitik | litage: in theory, any... in practice... I'm not familiar with any |
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| 03:47.40 | mfrisch | amacnay_ your using the installer to create the lvm right? |
| 03:48.00 | rainabba | sebell: Thanks, got logged in ok. |
| 03:48.34 | lunitik | DawnLight: it could happen |
| 03:48.38 | mfrisch | rainabba its conforting how easy it is to hack your system isn't it |
| 03:49.03 | DawnLight | maybe from someone elses, linitik |
| 03:49.38 | DawnLight | but really, they asked me if i have pms turned on. what's that? |
| 03:50.09 | mfrisch | personal messaging in irc |
| 03:50.27 | mfrisch | ? |
| 03:50.31 | DawnLight | oh... why would i want to turn it off? |
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| 03:51.05 | pickcoder | I didn't know you had to turn it on |
| 03:51.21 | DawnLight | you mean /msg? |
| 03:51.30 | mfrisch | is it allowed in freenode anyways? |
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| 03:52.10 | DawnLight | i just pm'd someone and he pm'd me back |
| 03:52.19 | DawnLight | several times of that |
| 03:52.32 | OmnipotentEntity | Well, I'm PMing you and no reply is being had. |
| 03:52.45 | pickcoder | private message could be /msg or dcc chat |
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| 03:53.16 | mfrisch | I always though it opened a seperate window |
| 03:53.45 | pickcoder | even text clients? <g> |
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| 03:54.27 | mfrisch | I don't know I'm using bitchx I don't remeber what it does |
| 03:54.42 | nerve_ | does anyone know of a good program that will let me create boxes and lines and allow me to connect them? |
| 03:55.46 | mezmiro | nerve_: Gimp :D |
| 03:56.07 | DawnLight | nerve_, that will be an electrician training program |
| 03:56.08 | nerve_ | heh, no i'm actually looking for a specific program that i used a whillle ago |
| 03:56.19 | nerve_ | but i know it exists.. |
| 03:56.29 | DawnLight | it's a project manager, isn't it? |
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| 03:56.57 | pickcoder | you want a flow chart editor |
| 03:57.09 | WALoeIII | sarge and etch use lilo or grub? |
| 03:57.31 | pickcoder | grub is default |
| 03:57.33 | DawnLight | search package descriptions for project manager or brainstorming |
| 03:57.42 | WALoeIII | how long has grub been default |
| 03:57.53 | WALoeIII | i.e. is there any reason lilo is on my system? (testing) |
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| 03:58.38 | pickcoder | atleast Sarge.. can't remember if Woody had lilo or not as default |
| 03:58.40 | nerve_ | DawnLight, erm,, maybe? |
| 03:59.15 | DawnLight | maybe what |
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| 03:59.48 | mezmiro | Hmm it's GRUB. |
| 03:59.51 | simonrvn | woody was lilo |
| 03:59.55 | litage | thanks lunitik |
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| 04:00.02 | mezmiro | You have to install lilo on Sarge if you need it. |
| 04:00.07 | nerve_ | DawnLight, it might be a project manager? i don't know.. |
| 04:00.25 | DawnLight | search package descriptions for project manager or brainstorming, nerve |
| 04:00.48 | mezmiro | WALoeIII: I think Lilo just has certain functions GRUB doesn't. |
| 04:01.45 | pickcoder | lilo was the original Linux Loader |
| 04:01.56 | pickcoder | I think grub is more powerful, personally. |
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| 04:02.18 | WALoeIII | I just have two on my machine, so when I install new kernel-images there is a lot of duplication |
| 04:02.23 | WALoeIII | and its just unnecessary complication |
| 04:02.36 | WALoeIII | I just need one bootloader that has my current and older kernels in it, nothing fancy |
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| 04:04.30 | pickcoder | WALoeIII: so purge the one you don't want |
| 04:04.51 | pickcoder | just make sure the one you want is actually in the boot sector |
| 04:05.02 | DawnLight | OmnipotentEntity: are you here? |
| 04:05.08 | OmnipotentEntity | I am |
| 04:05.37 | DawnLight | oh i accidently left the channel and realized just now that i was on another |
| 04:05.52 | DawnLight | so did you get the file? |
| 04:06.11 | WALoeIII | pickcoder: right, I just wanted to stick with the distro default :) |
| 04:06.12 | WALoeIII | thanks. |
| 04:06.44 | OmnipotentEntity | No I haven't received a PM. |
| 04:06.48 | OmnipotentEntity | Pastebin it. |
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| 04:07.18 | simonrvn | Bhaal: checking for spam bots? |
| 04:07.30 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: well, I made a 1 gig /boot partition and a 249 gig lvm partition wiyh lots of logical volumes. The installer choked because no root partition was defined. |
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| 04:08.01 | pickcoder | amacnay_: don't put /boot on the lvm |
| 04:08.04 | simonrvn | 1 GB /boot? |
| 04:08.15 | simonrvn | that's way too much |
| 04:08.29 | mfrisch | amacnay_ unless you have something against it etch's rc1 install cd works great. |
| 04:08.39 | simonrvn | and yeh, DO NOT put that on lvm, unless you like to screw yourself over |
| 04:08.44 | mfrisch | simonrvn I said no more than 1g |
| 04:09.14 | hark | don't use the RC1... |
| 04:09.17 | simonrvn | mfrisch: *shrug* |
| 04:09.17 | mfrisch | amacnay_ no more than 512 mb ;-) |
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| 04:09.31 | simonrvn | no more than 150 MB, IMO |
| 04:09.32 | DawnLight | http://rafb.net/p/4C631p11.html, OmnipotentEntity |
| 04:09.46 | simonrvn | and even that is overkill |
| 04:09.53 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: /boot was by itself |
| 04:09.56 | pickcoder | gah.. I regularly use 300-500MB for boot |
| 04:10.12 | mfrisch | amacnay_ I know..what install cd did you use? |
| 04:10.12 | hark | ha |
| 04:10.15 | pickcoder | I'd rather not have to move it if my kernel list grows too big |
| 04:10.17 | simonrvn | what you have 100 kernels in there? |
| 04:10.21 | pickcoder | then again I'm a pack rat |
| 04:10.23 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 04:10.24 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: I will look for the etch installer. |
| 04:10.35 | DawnLight | OmnipotentEntity, it's not the whole file obviously and it's after i ran the script |
| 04:10.38 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: stable |
| 04:10.49 | simonrvn | /dev/hdc1 /boot 45.8 38.8 7.1 85% jfs |
| 04:11.01 | mfrisch | simonrvn jfs? |
| 04:11.09 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 04:11.23 | mfrisch | simonrvn is it faster ;-) |
| 04:11.56 | simonrvn | i like it, it works, and i don't have problems with it |
| 04:12.25 | simonrvn | speed wise it marginally slower than ext3 |
| 04:12.26 | OmnipotentEntity | DawnLight, the script didn't work because you said there'd be a space between the e-mail address and any other text on the line. |
| 04:12.39 | simonrvn | pickcoder: yeh and it survives that nicely too |
| 04:12.40 | DawnLight | did i say that?? |
| 04:13.01 | mfrisch | simonrvn its kinda a weird choice...ok. |
| 04:13.06 | OmnipotentEntity | #Omni`s_Office please, let's not pollute this channel |
| 04:13.12 | simonrvn | so i'm weird |
| 04:13.25 | simonrvn | i live with it ;) |
| 04:13.30 | pickcoder | atleast you have a choice... |
| 04:13.34 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: I see two in the etch install area - xfce and kde... |
| 04:13.51 | pickcoder | unlike other O/S |
| 04:13.57 | mfrisch | amacnay_ where? |
| 04:14.00 | simonrvn | on oldworld macs you don't get one. |
| 04:14.03 | simonrvn | ext2 |
| 04:14.18 | simonrvn | for /boot |
| 04:14.35 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:14.56 | mfrisch | is that right ^^^ |
| 04:16.01 | mfrisch | amacnay_ you got a high speed Internet connection? just get a netinstall iso. |
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| 04:16.46 | pickcoder | amacnay_: is there a major reason why you want lvm? |
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| 04:17.08 | dean[] | Hey all im using Debian Etch and for some reason my sshd isnt logging how can i make it log |
| 04:17.12 | John2583 | so i was reading the debian policy manual.. i want to disable some services from starting on boot, it seems you're not supposed to manually edit the /etc/rcn.d symbolic links.. so what method are you supposed to use? update-rc.d ? I just want to disable lpd from starting on boot. |
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| 04:17.22 | ninjawolf | hiiiiiiii |
| 04:17.29 | simonrvn | John2583: yes that |
| 04:17.42 | ninjawolf | when i download apache2 from apt-get ( deiban mirror ) it only downloads file size 85 |
| 04:17.43 | ninjawolf | WHY? |
| 04:17.47 | pickcoder | dean[]: where did you look |
| 04:17.47 | ninjawolf | when i download apache2 from apt-get ( deiban mirror ) it only downloads file size 85kb * |
| 04:17.59 | dean[] | /var/log |
| 04:18.12 | dean[] | nor can i find it via locate ssh*.log |
| 04:18.15 | simonrvn | logs to auth.log |
| 04:18.16 | pickcoder | and there's no auth.log? |
| 04:18.23 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: I hate running out of room on a /var partition. Maybe I make a simple install and not worry about how big /var and /usr get. |
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| 04:18.26 | dean[] | no there isnt |
| 04:18.41 | pickcoder | er.. is syslog even installed? |
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| 04:18.50 | pickcoder | it is by default, so I have to wonder |
| 04:18.57 | dean[] | yea |
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| 04:19.10 | John2583 | simonrvn, update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/lpd exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) if I want to add lpd back sometime will update-rc.d be able to recreate the actual init script? seems like all that is really necessary is removing the symbolic link in /etc/rcn.d ? |
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| 04:19.13 | simonrvn | i'm sure it is |
| 04:19.14 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: my last deb machine was partitioned for /var, /tmp, /swap, / , and /boot. |
| 04:19.21 | ninjawolf | when i download apache2 from apt-get ( deiban mirror ) it only downloads file size 85kb * |
| 04:19.31 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: /var ran out of space |
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| 04:20.09 | mfrisch | amacnay_ / should have too, no /usr ? ;-) do what you can. |
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| 04:21.27 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: /usr too. I don't want to go that route again. |
| 04:21.55 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: either I get lvm working or just do a generic install. |
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| 04:22.32 | mfrisch | amacnay_ but with lvm you could resize the partitions pretty easy |
| 04:22.55 | pickcoder | dean[]: see what /etc/ssh/sshd_config has for SysLogFacility and LogLevel |
| 04:23.08 | amacnay_ | mfrisch: If I could get it to work. :) I will d/l this etch image. |
| 04:23.14 | mfrisch | Does sarges installer support lvm? |
| 04:23.37 | ninjawolf | when i download apache2 from apt-get ( deiban mirror ) it only downloads file size 85kb * |
| 04:24.58 | John2583 | ninjawolf, didn't you already say that ? |
| 04:25.10 | ninjawolf | yeah like 4 times |
| 04:25.52 | pickcoder | ninjawolf: that's a meta package, iirc |
| 04:25.52 | mezmiro | What paper size is 8x11? letter? |
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| 04:25.59 | ninjawolf | what? |
| 04:26.01 | pickcoder | 8.5x11 is letter |
| 04:26.06 | ninjawolf | whats the the package name? |
| 04:26.08 | mezmiro | :) Awesome. |
| 04:26.09 | mezmiro | Thanks ;D |
| 04:26.28 | John2583 | ninjawolf, try removing the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:26.34 | John2583 | and then retry apt-get install apache2 |
| 04:26.35 | John2583 | ? |
| 04:26.37 | pickcoder | ninjawolf: aptitude show <package> |
| 04:26.52 | ninjawolf | cheers |
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| 04:27.05 | pickcoder | or.. change mirrors.. yours may be b0rked |
| 04:27.21 | ninjawolf | illwolf@mit[~]$ aptitude show apache2 |
| 04:27.21 | ninjawolf | Package: apache2 |
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| 04:27.38 | ninjawolf | yeh i typed apt-get install apache2 <-- files only 86kb |
| 04:27.46 | ninjawolf | Uncompressed Size: 86.0k |
| 04:28.04 | mfrisch | yup you got it. |
| 04:28.04 | ninjawolf | !pastebin |
| 04:28.04 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 04:28.08 | ninjawolf | got what? |
| 04:28.24 | mfrisch | apache2 |
| 04:28.36 | ninjawolf | ? |
| 04:28.45 | ninjawolf | http://pastebin.ca/401157 |
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| 04:29.49 | pickcoder | apache2.2-common contains the main components |
| 04:29.55 | pickcoder | under Etch |
| 04:30.53 | ninjawolf | ok |
| 04:31.04 | pickcoder | apache2 should install all of the components |
| 04:31.15 | pickcoder | if it doesn't, file a bug report |
| 04:31.23 | pickcoder | I haven't installed it from apt in a while |
| 04:31.34 | pickcoder | since rc1 was released atleast |
| 04:31.44 | ninjawolf | wait |
| 04:32.29 | ninjawolf | http://pastebin.ca/401159 |
| 04:32.37 | ninjawolf | im trying to uninstall it |
| 04:32.43 | ninjawolf | then reinstall it. |
| 04:33.04 | pickcoder | the common package is a dependancy |
| 04:33.07 | pickcoder | don't install it by itself |
| 04:33.21 | ninjawolf | sprry? |
| 04:33.23 | ninjawolf | *Sorry |
| 04:33.25 | pickcoder | use apache2 or install a lower component like libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 04:33.38 | pickcoder | that will install apache2 by default |
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| 04:33.55 | pickcoder | if "aptitude install apache2" doesn't work then you should file a bug report |
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| 04:34.22 | ninjawolf | ok wait |
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| 04:34.49 | ninjawolf | apache2: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory |
| 04:34.51 | ninjawolf | see |
| 04:35.02 | ninjawolf | i want to remove it all |
| 04:35.07 | ninjawolf | and start all over again but how? |
| 04:35.09 | pickcoder | ninjawolf: you botched the apache2 install by trying to install apache2.2-common by itself |
| 04:35.18 | ninjawolf | i see |
| 04:35.23 | ninjawolf | whats the work around it? |
| 04:35.27 | pickcoder | dpkg --purge apache2.2-common |
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| 04:36.15 | militant | sorry for the quit/etc flood. working out some router issues |
| 04:36.16 | ninjawolf | http://pastebin.ca/401162 |
| 04:36.39 | pickcoder | ninjawolf: do the same for the other package first |
| 04:36.41 | mikecc | sup guys..my box hardlocks randomly with: kernel panic - not syncing: unable to continue; bank 0; b20000001040080f; kernel panic - not syncing: CPU context corrupt |
| 04:36.44 | mikecc | any ideas? |
| 04:36.55 | ninjawolf | yeah i have |
| 04:37.02 | wils0n___ | mikecc: bad ram |
| 04:37.11 | mikecc | wils0n___: ahhhh |
| 04:37.14 | mikecc | wils0n___: thanks |
| 04:37.15 | pickcoder | mikecc: yup.. bank 0 |
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| 04:37.21 | wils0n___ | mikecc: muck with teh bios settings |
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| 04:37.24 | mikecc | bank 0 = bad ram? |
| 04:37.25 | wils0n___ | mikecc: you might be able to fix it |
| 04:37.32 | wils0n___ | bank 0 is the first bank of ram |
| 04:37.38 | ninjawolf | ? |
| 04:37.42 | lkthomas | guys, is it possible to shows the system path of the running program on ps aux ? |
| 04:37.49 | wils0n___ | your machine threw a check exception saying that it's got a bit error |
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| 04:38.05 | wils0n___ | the kernel said "I can deal with this shit, im out" |
| 04:38.13 | mikecc | wils0n___: yeah i had two check exceptions 000000000000004 |
| 04:38.29 | wils0n___ | go into your bios and try to turn down the clock speed on the ram |
| 04:38.32 | wils0n___ | or buy some new stuff |
| 04:38.32 | mikecc | any things i should mess with that you can think of off the top of your head? |
| 04:38.33 | mfrisch | mikecc your bios let it through? |
| 04:38.33 | ninjawolf | hello |
| 04:38.34 | pickcoder | download a bootable mem tester image and run it |
| 04:38.34 | wils0n___ | run cooler |
| 04:38.50 | mikecc | mfrisch: yes no errors on startup |
| 04:38.51 | wils0n___ | pickcoder: that'll only confirm what he already knows |
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| 04:39.00 | mikecc | wils0n___: what about memtest86 that is with grub |
| 04:39.09 | ninjawolf | well pickcoder? |
| 04:39.17 | wils0n___ | mikecc: this type of error is spurios-- it is undetectable until it occurs.. after boot |
| 04:39.26 | pickcoder | wils0n___: it may find other banks failing too |
| 04:39.28 | mikecc | yes and it really pisses me off |
| 04:39.36 | pickcoder | which in that case it could be the memory controller |
| 04:39.37 | pickcoder | not the ram |
| 04:39.47 | wils0n___ | mikecc: you should turn down your ram speed/ mess with the voltage and then run memtest86 overnight |
| 04:39.57 | mikecc | aight |
| 04:40.01 | wils0n___ | if you cant get the ram to work with memtest, throw it out |
| 04:40.03 | mikecc | wont lowering the ram speed slow me down |
| 04:40.07 | wils0n___ | yes |
| 04:40.14 | wils0n___ | wont resetting your computer regularly slow you down :) |
| 04:40.23 | mikecc | yes and im pissed about it |
| 04:40.24 | mikecc | haha |
| 04:40.34 | wils0n___ | i've been there :) |
| 04:40.37 | mikecc | i have a 512 stick sitting around that i dont know if it works or not |
| 04:40.45 | mikecc | im running 512 right now |
| 04:40.52 | mikecc | what about reseating the ram? |
| 04:41.09 | pickcoder | ninjawolf: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2* |
| 04:41.12 | wils0n___ | reseat<v>: unplug, replug |
| 04:41.22 | wils0n___ | try the other stick |
| 04:41.24 | pickcoder | that won't purge any files, it will only erase dpkg's memory of apache2 |
| 04:41.27 | mikecc | oh i meant reseat into a different slot |
| 04:41.44 | wils0n___ | that _might_ work |
| 04:41.51 | pickcoder | it may blow up when you try to re-install, but it's the best suggestion I can offer at the moment. |
| 04:42.09 | mikecc | wils0n___: k so really the only certain thing i can do is buy a new stick |
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| 04:42.22 | rainabba_ | In terms of kernels, what's xen-vserver about or where I can I learn? |
| 04:42.27 | pickcoder | mikecc: do you know anyone that runs a PC store? |
| 04:42.34 | mikecc | pickcoder: sadly, no |
| 04:42.45 | pickcoder | I was gonna say you could get them to test your ram for ya |
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| 04:43.09 | wils0n___ | mikecc:your system needs to be configured correctly to use whatever ram you plug into it |
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| 04:43.11 | militant | heh. someone willing to try hitting me via http and/or ssh? i suspect my ISP is filtering it :/ |
| 04:43.12 | mfrisch | rainabba its so you can use one kernel across your other doms...I just got evms support on a xen kernel YAH! |
| 04:43.14 | wils0n___ | whats the clockspeed on the ram? |
| 04:43.18 | mikecc | 533 |
| 04:43.25 | wils0n___ | and how hot is it? |
| 04:43.27 | mikecc | pickcoder: ahh good idea |
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| 04:43.38 | mikecc | wils0n___: not sure..id have to take the case off |
| 04:43.51 | rainabba_ | mfrisch: Instead of needing one kernel for each domU? |
| 04:43.52 | wils0n___ | is it hot where you are? |
| 04:43.57 | wils0n___ | heat can cause nastiness |
| 04:44.13 | rainabba_ | mfrisch: Congrats on evms |
| 04:44.13 | wils0n___ | keep the memory cool, clock it down, run memtest86 |
| 04:44.21 | pickcoder | so can overclocking cheap chips |
| 04:44.23 | mikecc | wils0n___: na its been colder than usual here |
| 04:44.24 | wils0n___ | how fast will your motherboard accept its ram? |
| 04:44.32 | scv | I don't think it's the time to buy ddr2 b4 ddr3 is widely used |
| 04:44.47 | mikecc | i dont think ddr3 is supported on my machine |
| 04:45.33 | mikecc | i have a pentium D tho |
| 04:45.33 | scv | I mean the ddr3 dimm |
| 04:45.33 | mikecc | my motherboard is fairly new since it handles the new duo cpus |
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| 04:45.34 | scv | not gddr3 |
| 04:45.44 | mikecc | ah |
| 04:45.51 | linlin | what should i do if i think my apache2 insatllation is corrup and i want to reinstall it from complete scratch |
| 04:45.52 | mfrisch | rainabba_ yup its been a long time getting that to work...One kernel..no matter if its redhat or debian or gentoo. |
| 04:45.55 | pickcoder | mikecc: how new is the build? |
| 04:46.17 | ninjawolf | pickcoder |
| 04:46.23 | ninjawolf | done now what do i type to install it ? |
| 04:46.32 | mikecc | pickcoder: build of my kernel? |
| 04:46.32 | wils0n___ | mikecc: try what I said, and cross your fingers |
| 04:46.40 | mikecc | wils0n___: aight..thanks a lot for the tips |
| 04:46.41 | wils0n___ | maybe buy new (quality) ram |
| 04:46.46 | wils0n___ | np |
| 04:46.46 | mikecc | pickcoder, scv thanks |
| 04:46.47 | rainabba_ | mfrisch: So if I want to virtualize Windows and Linux I can do so with xen-vserver and more efficiently that with the xen kernel? Why wouldn't I use xen-vserver? |
| 04:46.50 | pickcoder | ninjawolf: if 'aptitude install apache2' doesn't work then file a bug and try installing it by installing an apache2 module |
| 04:47.02 | ninjawolf | ok |
| 04:47.03 | pickcoder | mikecc: no. .your machine |
| 04:47.28 | mikecc | pickcoder: i built this machine in decemember (christmas) but its using the asme ram ive used for at least 1 or more years |
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| 04:48.18 | mfrisch | rainabba_ thats another story...google xen windows virtualization. Do you have a cpu that supports it? You need to recompile fb and other kernel support for that |
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| 04:48.48 | ninjawolf | pickcoder apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 04:48.55 | rainabba_ | mfrisch: Running Core2Duo and googling now |
| 04:49.04 | ninjawolf | aptitude install apache2 <-- after typing that |
| 04:49.11 | pickcoder | ninjawolf: sudo touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
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| 04:49.31 | ninjawolf | i touched it |
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| 04:49.43 | ninjawolf | Unable to open logs |
| 04:49.52 | ninjawolf | do i make a log file in /var/log ? |
| 04:49.54 | pickcoder | mikecc: I would reseat it first.. if it continues to blow up, follow the suggestions stated earlier |
| 04:50.03 | mikecc | pickcoder: ok |
| 04:50.35 | pickcoder | also.. check the contacts |
| 04:50.42 | mfrisch | pickcoder I have never managed to fry ram ;-) |
| 04:50.42 | pickcoder | make sure they're shiny |
| 04:50.51 | lkthomas | guys, can I kill a process which is defunct ? |
| 04:50.56 | pickcoder | mfrisch: it's pretty ESD tolerant these days |
| 04:51.14 | pickcoder | tho it's not 100% overclocking safe |
| 04:51.30 | ninjawolf | ? |
| 04:51.41 | mfrisch | I have never had the need to overclock |
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| 04:52.05 | pickcoder | ninjawolf: you are going to have to sort this out one piece at a time now |
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| 04:52.18 | pickcoder | or.. re-install |
| 04:52.38 | pickcoder | I have no clue if your previous attempt screwed this install up too |
| 04:53.08 | ninjawolf | pickcoder ok |
| 04:53.19 | pickcoder | try purging apache2 |
| 04:53.25 | pickcoder | since you have the metapackage installed now |
| 04:53.30 | ninjawolf | pickcoder it up and running now |
| 04:53.53 | ninjawolf | pickcoder but when i open 127.0.0.1 it goes to apache-default |
| 04:53.57 | ninjawolf | folder. |
| 04:54.02 | pickcoder | correct |
| 04:54.03 | ninjawolf | how can i set it to just /var/www ? |
| 04:54.07 | pickcoder | read the docs |
| 04:54.10 | pickcoder | I gotta get some sleep |
| 04:54.13 | pickcoder | #apache |
| 04:54.18 | pickcoder | l8r all |
| 04:54.21 | ninjawolf | ok thanks for ur help |
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| 04:54.23 | ninjawolf | laters man |
| 04:55.02 | mikecc | man imma be pissed if my box freezes while im writing this paper |
| 04:55.40 | arrenlex | Save often! |
| 04:55.55 | arrenlex | ...I've not become a microsoft tech support person. |
| 04:55.56 | arrenlex | Aaaugh. |
| 04:55.59 | arrenlex | now * |
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| 04:59.46 | Tigger_ | hi |
| 04:59.54 | bknitram | Hi |
| 05:00.02 | Tigger_ | :) |
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| 05:06.02 | ninjawolf | whats the apache2 command line to restart ? |
| 05:06.06 | zambaroo | hi guys, can i get apt to search for a package based on a file that it owns? |
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| 05:07.12 | \amethyst | zambaroo: For already installed packages, dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 05:07.58 | zambaroo | \amethyst, the other way around. i know what file i need, i dont know what package provides it |
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| 05:10.33 | jpin | Hi, does anyone knows the package for HFS? (to read mac fs) |
| 05:10.49 | zambaroo | apt-cache search hfs |
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| 05:11.08 | rainabba | Just used Synaptics package manager to install xen, tools, kernel, hypervisor, etc... The initrd file was placed, grub/menu.lst edited, default set. So I reboot, everything looks good until I see xen control deamon start, a couple more things, then the screen blinks like X is about to come up, and NOTHING. Can't even access my virtual terminals. System seems to lock completely. Advise? |
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| 05:11.29 | \amethyst | jpin: should be part of your kernel package, but hfstools cmight be useful too |
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| 05:11.47 | jpin | \amethyst: really? i'm using 2.6.16 |
| 05:12.11 | jpin | i'm unable to read a mac cd |
| 05:12.24 | jpin | which i think it's in hfs |
| 05:12.37 | zambaroo | er.. |
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| 05:13.31 | \amethyst | jpin: do you have /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/fs/hfs/hfs.ko? |
| 05:13.37 | \amethyst | or hfsplus |
| 05:13.54 | yonkeltron | is it safe to distupgrade from sarge to etch now? |
| 05:14.27 | jpin | \amethyst: hmm.. i have both |
| 05:14.40 | \amethyst | jpin: try mount -t hfs /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom |
| 05:14.50 | \amethyst | or hfsplus |
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| 05:15.00 | \amethyst | as root |
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| 05:15.24 | Gokee2 | I am trying to make sudo work and it says "myusername is not allowed to run sudo on localhost. This incident will be reported." |
| 05:15.38 | zambaroo | Gokee2, add yourself to /etc/sudoers |
| 05:15.43 | Gokee2 | I did |
| 05:15.49 | Gokee2 | I even tried visudo |
| 05:15.51 | \amethyst | Gokee2: what does the entry look like? |
| 05:15.54 | jpin | \amethyst: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, \n missing codepage or other error |
| 05:16.00 | Gokee2 | and added myself to the sudo group |
| 05:16.10 | zambaroo | Gokee2, you better always use visudo, dont edit by hand. |
| 05:16.20 | \amethyst | jpin: then it's probably not HFS |
| 05:16.26 | Gokee2 | myusername All=(ALL) ALL |
| 05:16.31 | jpin | \amethyst: hm.. |
| 05:16.48 | Gokee2 | zambaroo, visudo just brought of the file for me to edit |
| 05:16.48 | jpin | \amethyst: dmesg | tails gives ->> hfs: can't find a HFS filesystem on dev hdb. |
| 05:16.56 | zambaroo | Gokee2, try adding yourself to the wheel group |
| 05:17.10 | zambaroo | Gokee2, use visudo, dont edit by hand. |
| 05:17.20 | Gokee2 | wheel group ok |
| 05:17.25 | Gokee2 | How should I do that |
| 05:17.30 | \amethyst | Gokee2: All should be ALL |
| 05:17.35 | Gokee2 | I assume you don`t like my editing /etc/groups |
| 05:17.36 | zambaroo | good point |
| 05:17.40 | jpin | \amethyst: ahhh it worked: mount -t hfsplus /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom |
| 05:17.45 | jpin | \amethyst: thanks |
| 05:17.47 | Gokee2 | \amethyst, THANK YOU!! :) |
| 05:17.49 | zambaroo | Gokee2, true, i dont. man usermod |
| 05:18.08 | \amethyst | Gokee2: If you used visudo, it would have caught the syntax error |
| 05:18.15 | zambaroo | yep. |
| 05:18.26 | \amethyst | actually, I guess it wouldn't have there |
| 05:18.34 | zambaroo | hostname eh |
| 05:18.46 | Gokee2 | Hmm I will next time |
| 05:18.58 | \amethyst | vigr if you want to edit /etc/groups |
| 05:19.00 | Gokee2 | I did not find vidudo until I was done editing the file |
| 05:19.32 | \amethyst | s/ups/up/ |
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| 05:21.59 | Gokee2 | usermod: unknown group wheel |
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| 05:23.03 | Gokee2 | cool sudo works now |
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| 05:27.43 | Noah0504 | Is there anyway to make Debian not include the CD as a source by default when installing from the net install CD? |
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| 05:31.14 | Gokee2 | Now can you tell me why I can`t install "kde-core kdeadmin kdeutils" from backports? It lists a lot of dependecies if I do "apt-get install -t sarge-backports kde-core kdeadmin kdeutils" so I pinned all the dependencies (and the org pkgs) as it said to on backports. Now my /etc/apt/preferences looks like http://channels.debian.net/paste/5749 and I still get http://channels.debian.net/paste/5750 problems. |
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| 05:31.54 | kupesoft | Noah0504: I don't think so, but why would want to go and do that? |
| 05:32.18 | kupesoft | Noah0504: ... why would you ... |
| 05:32.39 | Gokee2 | Can`t you tell it what sources to use? |
| 05:32.41 | Noah0504 | kupesoft: Well, I don't like it asking me to insert the CD when I'm trying to install something. I would just rather have it download it. |
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| 05:33.06 | Noah0504 | kupesoft: I mean, once installed, I can just edit the sources.list, but it bugs me that I have to. |
| 05:33.08 | Gokee2 | I installed from the CD yesterday and it did not have the CD as a source in my /etc/apt/sources |
| 05:33.57 | Noah0504 | Gokee2: Weird. I wonder why it's doing it for me. |
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| 05:34.05 | Noah0504 | Gokee2: Which version did you install? |
| 05:34.17 | Gokee2 | That was a stable install yesterday |
| 05:34.32 | Gokee2 | Downloaded off the site yesterday as well |
| 05:34.54 | Noah0504 | Gokee2: Well, I installed Etch... so, I wonder if it's just it that does it. I can remember stable doing it. |
| 05:35.25 | Noah0504 | I mean can't. |
| 05:35.44 | Gokee2 | I think I have a cdrom sitting around in my testing install |
| 05:35.52 | Gokee2 | (commented out) |
| 05:36.39 | Noah0504 | Eh, I'll just edit the sources. No big deal I guess. |
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| 05:36.51 | Noah0504 | When is testing suppose to be final? |
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| 05:38.04 | wad | How do I obtain a complete list of packages installed on a system? |
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| 05:39.10 | Noah0504 | Are Debian's sources listed in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 05:39.27 | Gokee2 | Yes |
| 05:39.43 | Noah0504 | Okay. |
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| 05:41.19 | Grub_Now | wad: dpkg -l |
| 05:41.25 | OmnipotentEntity | How do you find the number of blocks on a device? |
| 05:41.27 | wad | thanks |
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| 05:42.52 | tn3270 | omni : df |
| 05:43.19 | tn3270 | not sure if it shows all though |
| 05:43.26 | OmnipotentEntity | df? What flags? because that shows the number of blocks on a partition. Not a device. |
| 05:43.31 | OmnipotentEntity | And it omits the swap |
| 05:43.39 | tn3270 | oh |
| 05:43.43 | tn3270 | not sure then sry |
| 05:44.13 | tn3270 | you can try fdisk maybe? |
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| 05:44.37 | tn3270 | but i think it is still for disks |
| 05:44.52 | OmnipotentEntity | I want the size of the disk. |
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| 05:46.20 | mikefoo | Anyone have an idea if its safe to leave a hard drive in a usb external enclosure on 24/7? |
| 05:46.45 | OmnipotentEntity | It's safer than restarting it every hour or so. |
| 05:47.12 | OmnipotentEntity | But less safe then starting it up every day or so. |
| 05:47.17 | mikefoo | its one of the aluminum cases, no fan |
| 05:47.28 | mikefoo | those ok? most extenal cases I see dont have a fan anyways |
| 05:47.35 | OmnipotentEntity | It's ok. |
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| 05:48.06 | OmnipotentEntity | HDDs are rather resilient against heat. You shouldn't let it get *way* hot, but you don't have to worry about it much. |
| 05:48.39 | tn3270 | omni : does fdisk work? mine does show correctly |
| 05:48.41 | mikefoo | it gets hot.. I can touch the case without burning or anything to.. |
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| 05:48.50 | mikefoo | but its definetly some heat coming off the case |
| 05:48.53 | Linus_Torvalds | JEWS DID WTC - NIGGERS BELONG IN ZOOS - CHINKS BELONG IN SWEATSHOPS - |
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| 05:49.02 | Linus_Torvalds | JEWS DID WTC - NIGGERS BELONG IN ZOOS - CHINKS BELONG IN SWEATSHOPS - |
| 05:49.07 | scv | a so-called 7400rpm 2.5" hdd? |
| 05:49.19 | zambaroo | wtf |
| 05:49.25 | mikefoo | its 3.5 drive |
| 05:49.30 | scv | oh |
| 05:49.31 | \amethyst | OmnipotentEntity: cat /sys/block/hda/size |
| 05:49.33 | OmnipotentEntity | mikefoo, take it out of the case and put a fan on it if you think it's getting too hot. |
| 05:49.41 | OmnipotentEntity | \amethyst, thank you so much! |
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| 05:49.47 | tn3270 | ah |
| 05:51.11 | zambaroo | must've been ballmer.. |
| 05:51.13 | \amethyst | OmnipotentEntity: I think that's in 512K sectors |
| 05:51.25 | \amethyst | OmnipotentEntity: err, 512-byte |
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| 06:01.58 | udos | !moo |
| 06:01.59 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 06:02.22 | mikecc | !moo |
| 06:02.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 06:02.28 | scv | !cow |
| 06:02.28 | dpkg | it has been said that cow is a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo |
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| 06:03.49 | scv | who feeds dpkg these... |
| 06:04.17 | \amethyst | !info cow |
| 06:04.39 | intruder_ | does anyone know which gnu tool do i have to master in order to put a line breaked text file into a single line |
| 06:05.34 | ApEtc | intruder_: You could do a replacement with something like sed to replace all the hard enters with nothingness. |
| 06:05.38 | \amethyst | !factinfo cow |
| 06:05.38 | dpkg | cow -- last modified at Mon Mar 20 01:35:43 2006 by psup!n=j@CPE0004e2d9f884-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com; it has been requested 19 times, last by scv, 3m 10s ago. |
| 06:05.47 | OmnipotentEntity | intruder_, perl -ne 's/\n//' < input > output |
| 06:06.02 | \amethyst | scv: you do, apparently :) |
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| 06:06.22 | \amethyst | doh, that's last request. I can't read |
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| 06:09.38 | tuvwx | i'm running 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' on a package but getting 'make[2]: ldconfig: Command not found' somewhere towards the end of the process. turns out ldconfig is only in root's path. is there a fix for this? |
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| 06:11.09 | militant | heh. i'm trying to remember what the frontend util i used was, when i enabled/disabled some services yesterday. |
| 06:11.27 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: so PATH="/sbin:$PATH" fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 06:12.04 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, i don't think this will do. a regular user running ldconfig results in an error |
| 06:12.20 | \amethyst | what package is this? |
| 06:12.33 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: running ldconfig without the -r option should *NEVER* be done. |
| 06:12.45 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: and so yes, it will work as a regular user. |
| 06:12.48 | tuvwx | \amethyst, mplayer |
| 06:13.04 | tuvwx | /sbin/ldconfig: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied |
| 06:13.23 | dondelelcaro | repeat after me... using the -r option |
| 06:13.42 | militant | ok, can't remember. |
| 06:13.43 | militant | hrrm. |
| 06:14.20 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, using the -r option, using the -r option...etc. timeout-> i'm doing what's being done by 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' |
| 06:14.45 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: which mplayer package? the one in unstable? |
| 06:15.00 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, mplayerhq.hu svn |
| 06:15.19 | dondelelcaro | their stuff is likely totally broken; don't use it |
| 06:15.41 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, oh it works just fine, even with this error! |
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| 06:16.05 | dondelelcaro | that error is happening because they're calling ldconfig without -r which is nonsensical in the build |
| 06:16.21 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, and for some reason i couldn't get a decent hd video playback but with recent mplayer svn |
| 06:17.08 | dondelelcaro | if anything, you call ldconfig when you're actually installing the libraries, but since mplayer doesn't install any, it has no business calling ldconfig |
| 06:18.09 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, it seems like it's installing libdha.so, whatever that is |
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| 06:20.07 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, and, i think, that error is causing the message: 'dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED libdha.so' not recognized' to show up while building the package |
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| 06:20.18 | intruder_ | OmnipotentEntity: thanks |
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| 06:20.59 | helloyo2 | if i have my wireless card working in ubuntu, what settings do i need to bring across? |
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| 06:22.52 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: just start with the Debian packages in unstable and use their debian directory; it's less likely to be totally broken. |
| 06:23.08 | remoteCtrl | hi, when scanning it says g_NCR5280:1524 timeout and stalls --- there's a way to tell ncr to wait some more for device to be ready ? |
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| 06:27.37 | helloyo2 | anyone? trying to get my wireless to work in debian like ubuntu, any settings i can change? |
| 06:28.21 | Gnea | !wireless |
| 06:28.21 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or and Linksys WPC11 support: http://z.cwriter.org/index.php/wifi/Cartes/WPC11+debian+how-to |
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| 06:29.05 | dondelelcaro | helloyo2: there's really nothing to copy over. You load the module, you configure the interface. |
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| 06:29.43 | anapivirtua | Hi all / Bye all |
| 06:29.55 | helloyo2 | dondelelcaro: how do i see what module ubuntu is using? i'm having real trouble setting it up |
| 06:30.51 | dondelelcaro | helloyo2: what type of card do you have? |
| 06:31.01 | dondelelcaro | (lsmod will tell you, but...) |
| 06:31.45 | helloyo2 | dondelelcaro: i have a texas instruments one |
| 06:32.10 | helloyo2 | dondelelcaro: in kinfocentre it says access denied under capabilities |
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| 06:37.29 | helloyo2 | dondelelcaro: any ideas? |
| 06:38.01 | dondelelcaro | helloyo2: run lsmod; from the command line. |
| 06:38.48 | helloyo2 | dondelelcaro: in ubuntu or debian? |
| 06:39.14 | eshaase | i'm interested in learning one of those researchy languages, any suggestions? |
| 06:39.23 | nvz | helloyo2: ubuntu |
| 06:39.43 | helloyo2 | nvz: thanks, will give it a shot, anything else i should write down? |
| 06:39.47 | nvz | helloyo2: I take it thats the one you want to get the information from on which driver is working |
| 06:40.15 | nvz | helloyo2: dmesg might have information as well |
| 06:40.51 | helloyo2 | nvz, thanks, will brb |
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| 06:44.57 | karsten | eshaase: pascal! |
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| 06:45.45 | tenzing_ | hi ... a friend of mine is using debian etch on an acer laptop but doesnt touchpad doesnt work. Do we have to load some modules for it to work?? please help.. |
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| 06:46.23 | karsten | tenzing_: Should be 'psaux' |
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| 06:46.42 | nvz | tenzing_: what settings did you choose for mouse in xorg configuration? |
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| 06:50.45 | tenzing_ | nvz: should i choose /dev/psaux?? its presently set to /dev/input/mice ..? |
| 06:51.17 | nvz | tenzing_: well do you have psmouse loaded? |
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| 06:52.14 | nvz | tenzing_: try cat /dev/psaux |
| 06:52.25 | helloyo2 | i am in ubuntu (since my wlan works here), how do i determine what module it is using? |
| 06:52.27 | nvz | tenzing_: see if you get char output from the mouse |
| 06:52.35 | nvz | tenzing_: er touchpad |
| 06:52.36 | Guerin | helloyo2: define `it' |
| 06:52.52 | nvz | helloyo2: lsmod |
| 06:52.58 | helloyo2 | Guerin: sorry, my wireless card, i used lsmod, but i can't tell which one it uses |
| 06:53.03 | Guerin | helloyo2: what wireless card? |
| 06:53.05 | tenzing_ | nvz: do i use lsmod to see if psmouse is loaded or not? |
| 06:53.07 | helloyo2 | nvz: yeah, not sure which one i'm looking at |
| 06:53.16 | helloyo2 | Guerin: a texas instruments one |
| 06:53.29 | Guerin | helloyo2: that's useless. Run lspci |grep 802 |
| 06:53.32 | nvz | tenzing_: yeah or just try read from the /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux and see what hapens |
| 06:53.59 | tenzing_ | nvz: lsmod doesnt list psmouse |
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| 06:54.43 | helloyo2 | Guerin: that doesn't come up with anything, but the network controller is there |
| 06:55.22 | Guerin | helloyo2: ok. your options are to run update-pciids, or to employ the eyeometer |
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| 06:56.26 | nvz | tenzing_: modprobe psmouse && echo "psmouse" >> /etc/modules |
| 06:56.40 | helloyo2 | Guerin i updated them, what did that do? |
| 06:56.52 | Guerin | helloyo2: now try lspci |grep 802 |
| 06:57.00 | Guerin | it might show now |
| 06:57.10 | helloyo2 | Guerin: nope unfortunately, still nothing |
| 06:57.22 | Guerin | helloyo2: ok, then the eyeometer is the way forward. |
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| 06:57.36 | helloyo2 | Guerin: eyeometre? |
| 06:57.47 | Guerin | helloyo2: unless you can find the info someplace else |
| 06:57.50 | Guerin | !eyeometer |
| 06:57.51 | dpkg | if you don't know, FUCKING LOOK AT IT. |
| 06:58.06 | tenzing_ | nvz: modprobe says "FATAL: Module psmouse not found" |
| 06:58.18 | nvz | tenzing_: uname -r |
| 06:58.20 | helloyo2 | Guerin: hehe, i'm looking at it, but it just has one line with the name of the card, i can't tell which module i need to load back in debian |
| 06:58.24 | Guerin | tenzing_: either use a debian kernel or go elsewhere for help. |
| 06:58.33 | Guerin | helloyo2: this is where google is fun :) |
| 06:58.39 | tenzing_ | nvz: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 06:58.45 | tenzing_ | Guerin: i am using a debian kernel |
| 06:58.47 | Guerin | helloyo2: what's the number? |
| 06:59.04 | Guerin | tenzing_: then someone has deleted your psmouse module, and you shoudl be very worried |
| 06:59.07 | helloyo2 | Guerin: "02:06.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface" |
| 06:59.20 | Guerin | bah, stupid thing |
| 06:59.38 | Guerin | !prism |
| 06:59.39 | dpkg | somebody said prism was http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_chipset.php?chipset=Prism&zoek=Show |
| 06:59.41 | tenzing_ | hmmm |
| 06:59.47 | Guerin | helloyo2: that's your chipset ↑ |
| 07:00.02 | Guerin | it's retarded for not having 802.11 in the lspci line |
| 07:00.10 | helloyo2 | Guerin: yeah |
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| 07:01.03 | Noah0504 | Hello all. |
| 07:01.08 | helloyo2 | is there a way i can tell what module my wireless card is using? |
| 07:01.21 | Guerin | helloyo2: WTF |
| 07:01.28 | Guerin | helloyo2: i just fucking TOLD YOU |
| 07:01.48 | helloyo2 | Guerin: what did you tell me, i still don't know what it is |
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| 07:02.47 | Guerin | helloyo2: it's a prism card. Check the page dpkg said. |
| 07:03.12 | MadSc13ntist | hello |
| 07:03.21 | Guerin | failing that, google `acx prism debian' |
| 07:03.26 | MadSc13ntist | has anyone used frenchninja's beryl installation script? |
| 07:03.32 | helloyo2 | Guerin: oh, thanks! |
| 07:03.35 | Guerin | !anyone use frenchninja's beryl installation script? |
| 07:03.35 | dpkg | No, no one uses frenchninja's beryl installation script, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:03.54 | MadSc13ntist | k, reccommendations for installing beryl on etch? |
| 07:04.01 | Guerin | MadSc13ntist: the rule for beryl is: if you need to ask someone else if it works, you shouldn't be using it |
| 07:04.05 | Guerin | MadSc13ntist: don't. |
| 07:04.08 | Guerin | neeeext |
| 07:04.09 | MadSc13ntist | ah |
| 07:04.12 | MadSc13ntist | lol |
| 07:04.14 | MadSc13ntist | 10-4 |
| 07:04.30 | Guerin | it'll be in debian one day, by which time it'll be not-crap |
| 07:04.36 | Noah0504 | haha |
| 07:04.52 | markybob | Guerin, well...not-crap might be taking it too far... :) |
| 07:05.01 | MadSc13ntist | to be honest i have installed it and it keeps falling back to metacity. I was hoping to ask if anyone knew where the logs where |
| 07:05.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:05.07 | MadSc13ntist | but i can go fishing if need be |
| 07:05.13 | Guerin | well, it looks like pointless chrome at the moment |
| 07:05.25 | MadSc13ntist | extremely bored and i figured this might be a cool project to work out |
| 07:05.25 | Guerin | but given five or so years to bed in it might be cool |
| 07:06.01 | nvz | tenzing_: do this in your irc client /exec -o grep "_PS[A|2]" /boot/config-$(uname -r) | cut -d \= -f 2 | tr "\n" " " |
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| 07:07.05 | tenzing_ | nvz: in my irc client? |
| 07:07.18 | nvz | tenzing_: yeah should put three chars on a line in here |
| 07:07.27 | Gokee2 | What does "APIC error on CPU): 40(40)" mean? |
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| 07:10.34 | remoteCtrl | hi, when scanning it says g_NCR5280:1524 timeout and stalls --- there's a way to tell ncr to wait some more for device to be ready ? |
| 07:10.44 | moshii | Gokee2: Just a guess, There was an APIC error? Anything bad happen when it happened? |
| 07:11.32 | Gokee2 | moshii, I don`t know ssh still working pkg still installing but I am not really sure when it happened as it displayed on the root command prompt on the local computer |
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| 07:11.56 | Gokee2 | but it is working really slow now |
| 07:12.33 | moshii | Gokee2: I've found that a lot of the time you can ignore errors floating out of the kernel.. you could try turning the APIC off |
| 07:12.48 | Gokee2 | Whats apic do? |
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| 07:13.22 | sid | What does TPU stand for? as in a DD does a TPU upload |
| 07:13.26 | moshii | advanced programmable interupt controller isn't? |
| 07:14.34 | moshii | I think it's basically a replacement for the dodgy hack of wiring two standard controllers together for more interrupts |
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| 07:17.17 | Gokee2 | What login prompt would someone here recomend for a windows user trying linux? I want him to have a few diffrent wm to choose from right from login and its a laptop so speedy would be great! Also what wm`s I am going to have kde as the main one but I want a few quick ones as well hopfully one with a taskbar and desktop |
| 07:17.29 | sid | testing-proposed-update |
| 07:17.31 | sid | found it |
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| 07:18.33 | moshii | Gokee2: login prompt? do you mean like kdm? |
| 07:18.52 | Gokee2 | ya |
| 07:19.09 | moshii | Gokee2: if the main desktop is kde use kdm, it can fire up xfce or gnome too |
| 07:19.11 | Gokee2 | or there are a few others I have not really used one much |
| 07:19.17 | Gokee2 | ok |
| 07:19.27 | moshii | Gokee2: there are gdm and xdm too |
| 07:19.33 | nvz | I like the gdm themes |
| 07:19.37 | Gokee2 | Are they faster? |
| 07:19.43 | Gokee2 | Or about the same? |
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| 07:20.05 | Guerin | xdm is several orders of magnitude faster than k or g |
| 07:20.16 | nvz | Gokee2: about how fast can you run while logging in on a laptop? |
| 07:20.26 | moshii | but looks like it fell out of the 80's |
| 07:20.32 | Guerin | the fastest login of all is startx |
| 07:20.41 | Guerin | which looks like the 70s :) |
| 07:20.47 | lunitik | nvz: cool cuz KDM supports GDM themes |
| 07:20.48 | moshii | heh |
| 07:21.22 | Gokee2 | Can xdm do kde,plus other right at login time? |
| 07:21.26 | concept10 | theres another, smaller and lighter than both of them |
| 07:21.28 | nvz | lunitik: I havent used kdm since woody |
| 07:21.29 | moshii | I just pick the on that uses the same toolkit as the desktop uses |
| 07:21.29 | lunitik | nvz: Enlightenment 0.17 and XFce are probably good choices |
| 07:21.36 | Gokee2 | I don`t want to force him to do startx |
| 07:21.51 | Gokee2 | Thats my trick :) |
| 07:22.09 | lunitik | nvz: It's not turned on by default in Sid even... but yeah... Woody had like v3.1... if that, maybe late 2.x? |
| 07:22.10 | remoteCtrl | hi, when scanning it says g_NCR5280:1524 timeout and stalls --- there's a way to tell ncr to wait some more for device to be ready ? |
| 07:22.28 | moshii | Gokee2: I don't think you can select the wm in xdm? I think it either goes for the system wide one or runs the users .xsession |
| 07:22.56 | lunitik | KDM is likely the best choice... although Entrance is nice too |
| 07:23.01 | nvz | lunitik: I was way past using defaults when I started using potato |
| 07:23.30 | lunitik | nvz: I mean the capability isn't even accessable in Sid without user intervention |
| 07:24.04 | Gokee2 | ok |
| 07:24.09 | Gokee2 | I will go kdm then |
| 07:24.39 | lunitik | nvz: you have to actually read the docs, and edit a config file to even be able to set such a theme... *g* |
| 07:24.43 | nvz | !info entrance |
| 07:25.33 | lunitik | nvz: you don't know what it is? or you simply don't think it's packaged in debian? |
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| 07:25.55 | nvz | lunitik: not in debian? |
| 07:26.00 | lunitik | nvz: nope |
| 07:26.09 | lunitik | neither is E17 |
| 07:26.12 | nvz | blah |
| 07:26.31 | lunitik | deb edevelop.org/debian sid main |
| 07:27.09 | nvz | nvz edontcare.org/debian etch main |
| 07:27.11 | lunitik | s/edevelop/http://edevelop/ |
| 07:27.32 | moshii | how rude. heh |
| 07:27.56 | lunitik | nvz: E17 bares very little resemblance to E16 |
| 07:28.25 | moshii | I used windowmaker for years, it's not great with utf8 though |
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| 07:28.49 | nvz | I rather use busted ol window maker than e |
| 07:29.09 | lunitik | nvz: what DO you use? |
| 07:29.24 | nvz | I use sawfish |
| 07:30.13 | nvz | heh its a lean mean parenthesis eatin machine |
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| 07:30.59 | NefariousPrior | If I want to use sendmail(or some other command) to send mail via my ISPs SMTP server..... which MTA should I have instaled? |
| 07:31.22 | lunitik | NefariousPrior: ssnmp (I think is the package) |
| 07:31.49 | lunitik | umm... ssntp :/ |
| 07:31.56 | moshii | NefariousPrior: the mta, exim, included in debian will do it |
| 07:32.03 | lunitik | wow... I can spell... ssmtp |
| 07:32.18 | dondelelcaro | NefariousPrior: try nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 07:32.24 | NefariousPrior | thanks all |
| 07:32.53 | NefariousPrior | I tried nullmailer and I get errors about not being able to execute the command. |
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| 07:32.57 | moshii | mm what's wrong with just configuring exim to do it? :P |
| 07:32.59 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 07:33.10 | jordanb | I send mail to my mail server using uucp. |
| 07:33.14 | jordanb | And postfix on both ends. |
| 07:33.16 | Guerin | lunitik: no, it's actually a relay MTA |
| 07:33.18 | DawnLight | will anyone write a little script for me. i don't know any programming. i have written exactly in technical terms what the script should do (text editing) here: http://pastebin.ca/401304. it should be very short. i will appreciate it very much! |
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| 07:33.27 | dondelelcaro | NefariousPrior: what is the error you get? |
| 07:33.35 | gypsymauro | I'm sing debian etch, I've installed both, kde and gnome but now menus are a mess.. there is a way to keep separate gnome and kde menus? |
| 07:33.48 | lunitik | gypsymauro: nope |
| 07:34.08 | lunitik | gypsymauro: you can use either desktops menu editor to try and clean them up though |
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| 07:34.22 | moshii | gypsymauro: if you remove the menu package kde and gnome will use their own menu system again |
| 07:34.43 | NefariousPrior | dondelelcaro: [date/time] [hostname] nullmailer[10441]: Sending failed: Could not execute program |
| 07:34.49 | moshii | gypsymauro: but you loose the automatic updating etc |
| 07:34.56 | gypsymauro | I got |
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| 07:34.59 | dondelelcaro | NefariousPrior: what is in your /etc/remotes? |
| 07:35.06 | lunitik | moshii: huh? I thought they both adopted the fdo standards? |
| 07:35.10 | dondelelcaro | s#remotes#nullmailer/remotes# |
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| 07:35.51 | gypsymauro | I'm bulding a X server for a school lab and I want let users choose which desktop to use, but I want a clean environment not that mess so I'll look what happens when I remove the menu package |
| 07:35.54 | moshii | lunitik: mm, maybe recently? you won't get a big menu mix up without menu installed anyhow |
| 07:35.56 | lunitik | moshii: also, you don't mean 'menu' you mean 'xdg-menu' .... 'menu' provides the Debian menu |
| 07:35.58 | Gokee2 | Should a "AMD Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+" have the 386 kernel? |
| 07:35.59 | NefariousPrior | dondelelcaro: [server address] --user=[username] --pass=[password] |
| 07:36.13 | Gokee2 | Whats the 386 and 686 mean? |
| 07:36.19 | moshii | lunitik: yeah |
| 07:36.21 | dondelelcaro | NefariousPrior: it should be serveraddress smtp --user. |
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| 07:36.40 | lunitik | moshii: I'm pretty sure both desktops depend on it |
| 07:36.51 | dondelelcaro | the reason why you're getting an error is because it's trying to execute --user=username, which isn't going to work. |
| 07:36.59 | moshii | Gokee2: it should have one of the k* ones I think... you can use amd64 on that too maybe |
| 07:37.14 | Gokee2 | I think its 32 bit... |
| 07:37.33 | moshii | lunitik: actually that's a good point, they didn't in the past |
| 07:37.55 | markybob | !k7 |
| 07:37.55 | dpkg | i heard k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 07:38.02 | Gokee2 | So I should get linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 for it? |
| 07:38.05 | markybob | yes |
| 07:38.16 | gypsymauro | in fact: gnome-panel and kdelibs4c2a depends from it |
| 07:38.19 | lunitik | Wait... what was the AMD Thunderbird?!?!? |
| 07:38.23 | Gokee2 | ah |
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| 07:38.43 | markybob | lunitik, yes... ? |
| 07:38.44 | lunitik | (other than a CPU... I'm going to assume that all by myself) |
| 07:38.49 | moshii | Gokee2: all newer amd procs support 64bit |
| 07:39.00 | markybob | sempron 2800+ isnt "newer" |
| 07:39.01 | NefariousPrior | dondelelcaro: Well, the error output is quite a bit more interesting now.| ...Failed: 500 5.5.1 Command unrecognized: "AUTH PLAIN ....." |
| 07:39.27 | SlayerXP | lunitik: thunderbird was a particular athlon core. |
| 07:39.34 | dondelelcaro | NefariousPrior: so path --auth-login |
| 07:39.37 | dondelelcaro | s/path/pass/ |
| 07:39.37 | moshii | markybob: I think the 2800 sempron is where all amd cores supported long mode |
| 07:39.45 | lunitik | SlayerXP: ahh... ok thank you :) |
| 07:40.03 | SlayerXP | lunitik: arguably, that was the core that started AMD's revival as it made buying any Intel chip nearly pointless. |
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| 07:40.31 | NefariousPrior | dondelelcaro: Just append --auth-login to the string in remotes? |
| 07:40.47 | gypsymauro | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31035 |
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| 07:40.52 | gypsymauro | here |
| 07:40.57 | gypsymauro | it resolves my problem it seems |
| 07:42.02 | dondelelcaro | NefariousPrior: yes; man 5 remotes; for more detail |
| 07:44.48 | NefariousPrior | dondelelcaro: Ok, good to have the man page. I have what it shows and it's telling me "Comand unrecognized: "AUTH LOGIN ...." Ideas? |
| 07:45.08 | dondelelcaro | NefariousPrior: does your smtp server actually require authentication? |
| 07:45.20 | dondelelcaro | NefariousPrior: just remove all of the options and try again. |
| 07:45.43 | NefariousPrior | dondelelcaro: lol, that would be great. I'll try. |
| 07:46.03 | rainabba | I've got a new Etch install running (amd64) and installed xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 |
| 07:46.13 | rainabba | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.52 | chascon | night |
| 07:47.39 | rainabba | The new kernel was placed and menu.lst edited so I rebooted. All looked to be going well until I saw "xen control deamon" load, one or 2 more things, then the screen flashed like X was loading, only it didn't. The screen went black, the HDD kept active, but I couldn't get any response. Advise? |
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| 07:51.57 | Phil_De | hi guys, I'm trying to setup a bridge between 2 nics. I do... brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 eth0; brctl addif br0 eth1; ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0; ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0; ifconfig br0 192.168.0.123 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 07:52.53 | Guerin | Phil_De: how is this a debian issue? |
| 07:53.15 | Phil_De | this says it all worked ok, but when I try to connect to the sshd on 192.168.0.123 it doesn't connect and it just floods messages on the server itself about trafic on eth0/eth1 with the source IP address of the nic |
| 07:54.41 | kjhgkjhg | i am trying to rename a file called [Session_01]This_session_data_log.01.zip when i try to rename it, i get the error message "Bareword found where operator expected at (eval 1) line 1, near "]This_session_data_log" |
| 07:55.44 | Phil_De | kjhgkjhg: mv \[Session_01\]This_session_data_log.01.zip newfile.zip |
| 07:56.01 | kjhgkjhg | mv? whats that |
| 07:56.11 | Phil_De | move |
| 07:56.16 | Guerin | kjhgkjhg: move changes the name of a file |
| 07:56.16 | Phil_De | what are you using to "rename"? |
| 07:56.24 | Guerin | rename changes the name of a shitload of files |
| 07:56.30 | Guerin | rename(1) most likely |
| 07:56.31 | kjhgkjhg | rename |
| 07:56.37 | Phil_De | ah, ok |
| 07:56.40 | Guerin | it's a perl script which doesn't work like you think |
| 07:56.43 | Guerin | use mv |
| 07:56.50 | kjhgkjhg | ahh, thx. |
| 07:56.58 | kjhgkjhg | i was scratchin my head on that one. |
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| 07:58.45 | OmnipotentEntity | exit |
| 07:58.47 | OmnipotentEntity | erm |
| 07:58.49 | NefariousPrior | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the help. Works perfectly now. 8-) |
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| 07:59.19 | dondelelcaro | kjhgkjhg: apropos rename; would have clued you in... |
| 07:59.28 | SyL | anybody know where lpthread is from? |
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| 07:59.46 | SyL | like what package or something? |
| 07:59.56 | dondelelcaro | !+find lpthread |
| 07:59.56 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 08:00.07 | markybob | libpthread-dev |
| 08:00.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'lpthread' returned no results. |
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| 08:00.36 | dondelelcaro | !tell SyL -about pdo |
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| 08:19.03 | kjhgkjhg | rtorrent doesnt seem to be responding to my ctrl+s |
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| 08:24.02 | bcmodder | can anyone help me fix this jre install issue Im havin, heres the error http://pastebin.ca/401324 |
| 08:24.07 | Mooi | How does one enable innodb on mysql 5.0 on debian etch? It is not disabled in the my.cnf, but i cannot create those tables as it is not supported simply |
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| 08:26.08 | kjhgkjhg | looks to me like the error i get when i try to apt-get install in two differentw indows |
| 08:26.10 | kjhgkjhg | bcmodder |
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| 08:26.34 | bcmodder | thats the weird part though its the only window open :S |
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| 08:27.20 | kjhgkjhg | weird, try rebooting? |
| 08:28.07 | bcmodder | k brb |
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| 08:31.55 | nuxien | hello |
| 08:32.01 | cast | hello |
| 08:32.03 | nuxien | i have en problem with my sound card |
| 08:32.04 | c00lfon | hell.o |
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| 08:32.19 | nuxien | it's a alc882 and i use debian etch |
| 08:32.32 | cast | ahh. and the problem is what? |
| 08:32.37 | nuxien | i have sound with headfone but not on speacker |
| 08:32.52 | Guerin | nuxien: solution: plug in speaker |
| 08:33.03 | cast | no comment. |
| 08:33.07 | nuxien | with an old version of alsa my sound card run correctly |
| 08:33.12 | nuxien | but not now |
| 08:33.19 | Guerin | hang on |
| 08:33.21 | nuxien | Guerin, it's a laptop |
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| 08:34.27 | bcmodder | (bangs head on keyboard) thanks kjhgkjhg that fixed it lol |
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| 08:34.52 | nuxien | Guerin, another real solution ? |
| 08:35.30 | Guerin | nuxien: nope, i see no reason why sound should output to different devices differently |
| 08:35.43 | Guerin | unless your levels are busted |
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| 08:36.21 | bcmodder | crap jre plugin still seems to be missing for firefox :S |
| 08:36.52 | remoteCtrl | hi, when scanning it says g_NCR5280:1524 timeout and stalls --- there's a way to tell ncr to wait some more for device to be ready ? |
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| 08:37.10 | bcmodder | how do I get jre to work with firefox? |
| 08:37.15 | Guerin | bcmodder: /msg dpkg java |
| 08:37.36 | Guerin | !confuse remoteCtrl |
| 08:37.36 | dpkg | Yes, how are your bacon today, remoteCtrl? lederhosen of the democracy of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 08:37.41 | scv | bcmodder: isn't java dead yet? |
| 08:37.46 | bcmodder | my nicks nor registered |
| 08:37.53 | Guerin | java is about to come alive |
| 08:37.56 | Guerin | bcmodder: don't matter |
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| 08:39.01 | bcmodder | I have a chat module on my phpNuke forum an it requires jre to run but the plugin isnt there so I can't use it :S |
| 08:39.09 | tvynr | Has anyone here successfully used a built-in initramfs in a custom Linux kernel before? |
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| 08:40.07 | Guerin | !anyone use a built-in initramfs in a custom Linux kernel before? |
| 08:40.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses a built-in initramfs in a custom Linux kernel before, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:40.16 | Guerin | bcmodder: you lose. |
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| 08:40.42 | tvynr | I'm... rather confused as to what just happened. |
| 08:40.45 | tvynr | :-P |
| 08:40.47 | bcmodder | ah nvm my browser I compiled from source was interfering with the package default |
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| 08:40.59 | Guerin | ... |
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| 08:41.24 | Guerin | tvynr: you asked a stupid question, and I told dpkg to give you a stupid answer ;) |
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| 08:41.38 | tvynr | Guerin: How is that a stupid question? |
| 08:41.51 | Guerin | tvynr: it doesn't actually yield an answer you can use. |
| 08:42.06 | Guerin | tvynr: i can answer `yes' with some confidence, but that doesn't mean *I* have done it |
| 08:42.16 | tvynr | Guerin: Yeah it does. It provides me with the names of people who might be able to help me. :) I'll try to rephrase. |
| 08:42.29 | bcmodder | theres no such thing as a stupid question, just a right one and an wrong one |
| 08:42.32 | Guerin | there are 700 people here. about 680 at any given time are idle. Permanently. |
| 08:42.36 | remoteCtrl | <Guerin> ??? |
| 08:42.56 | Guerin | tvynr: /msg dpkg ask |
| 08:43.01 | Guerin | remoteCtrl: I didn't say that. |
| 08:43.12 | remoteCtrl | <Guerin> !confuse remoteCtrl |
| 08:43.17 | Guerin | yes |
| 08:43.21 | Guerin | it seems to have worked |
| 08:43.24 | tvynr | Guerin: ah |
| 08:43.36 | remoteCtrl | L0L |
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| 08:44.02 | Guerin | remoteCtrl: that was my oblique way of saying that I had no fucking clule what you're on about because you provided no context. |
| 08:44.39 | remoteCtrl | <Guerin> the context is "scanning' meant when one imports a picture with a scanner |
| 08:44.52 | tvynr | I'm trying to build a custom Linux kernel and I'd like to use the initramfs approach rather than using an initrd.img. However, when I boot this new kernel, it doesn't seem to locate the initramfs image; it complains about not having a proper root= boot parameter. Anyone have any idea why this could be happening? |
| 08:44.53 | remoteCtrl | <Guerin> whereas the prlbme is driver raises timeout |
| 08:45.04 | Guerin | remoteCtrl: ok, don't put < > around my nic, it looks like you're quoting me |
| 08:45.11 | remoteCtrl | <Guerin> before scan process completes |
| 08:45.41 | Guerin | remoteCtrl: oy |
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| 08:46.27 | concept10 | What directory does Xfce/Thunar keep trash? |
| 08:46.40 | Guerin | !htfswk concept10 |
| 08:46.40 | dpkg | concept10: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 08:46.50 | Guerin | concept10: i'd guess ~/Trash |
| 08:47.15 | Guerin | but who the hell knows |
| 08:47.15 | remoteCtrl | hi, when scanning it says g_NCR5280:1524 timeout and stalls --- there's a way to tell ncr to wait some more for device to be ready ? |
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| 08:47.24 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:47.32 | lunitik | The FDO Trash spec puts it in ~/share/trash or something |
| 08:47.38 | cydork | doesn't all of them keep it in ~/.Trash |
| 08:47.51 | lunitik | cydork: no, only Gnome still uses that |
| 08:48.10 | Guerin | muhahaha |
| 08:48.22 | lunitik | There is now a spec that defines all former attributes of a file that was removed etc... |
| 08:48.26 | cydork | lunitik: ahh ok! |
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| 08:49.19 | lunitik | It's rather an ugly spec really.... look in ~/.kde/share/trash sometime if you're using KDE (yes I know this is in a kde dir, but it's an implementation of the new spec...) |
| 08:49.25 | concept10 | crap! I have files in the trash folder that wont delete and I don't know where those SOBs are hiding |
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| 08:49.47 | concept10 | I want my Recycle Bin back |
| 08:50.17 | lunitik | ahh... it's also in ~/.local/share/Trash ... which is likely what the actual spec defines |
| 08:50.28 | Guerin | the spec wouldn't just be for file in $deleted; do mv $file ~/.trash; gzip $file; done |
| 08:50.39 | Guerin | and if not, why the fuck not? |
| 08:50.52 | jpin | Hi, how can i update the available free space? i've just delete a 100 MB file and 'df' command still show 100% disk usage. |
| 08:51.30 | lunitik | concept10: try what I just said (~/.local/share/Trash |
| 08:51.32 | lunitik | ) |
| 08:51.38 | concept10 | they are there |
| 08:51.39 | concept10 | thanks |
| 08:52.16 | lunitik | Gnome hates adopting specs in a timely mannor |
| 08:52.46 | Guerin | lunitik: NIHS |
| 08:53.49 | lunitik | Guerin: uhh.. huh? |
| 08:54.43 | Guerin | lunitik: Not Invented Here Syndrome |
| 08:55.04 | cydork | heh! |
| 08:55.07 | lunitik | Guerin: They're the worst for it, it's quite sickening |
| 08:55.25 | Guerin | yes. |
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| 08:55.42 | Guerin | the number of wheels being reinvented is frightening |
| 08:56.35 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 08:57.05 | concept10 | Guerin, in Lynucs? |
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| 08:57.12 | tvynr | jpin: The file in question is probably still in use somewhere. |
| 08:57.13 | Guerin | concept10: ? |
| 08:57.29 | concept10 | you mean reinventing wheels in linux? |
| 08:57.34 | Guerin | jpin: you can also try running `sync' |
| 08:57.43 | tvynr | jpin: You'll have to determine which process is still using the file and get it to let go if its reference. |
| 08:58.05 | tvynr | Guerin: Wouldn't df see the change to the filesystem whether or not the change was in a cached write? |
| 08:58.08 | concept10 | Guerin, you mean reinventing wheels in linux? |
| 08:58.22 | Guerin | concept10: gnome, mostly. Linux (a kernel) is also a reinvention of various wheels, but it's such an awesomely more effective wheel than most others... |
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| 08:58.41 | scv | hahah |
| 08:58.41 | Guerin | tvynr: it just reads from mtab, as I recall. |
| 08:59.11 | Guerin | though, that being said, I have to slag off linux wireless drivers |
| 08:59.11 | tvynr | ah |
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| 08:59.23 | jpin | Guerin: sync didn't worked. tvynr: yeah, i'm aware of that now.. still, a lsof | grep delete doesn't show a big 100 mb delete files being holded. |
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| 08:59.41 | Guerin | jpin: try du |
| 09:00.22 | concept10 | Guerin, You should read about the Pardus distro. They are making everything again like package manager, firewall, and a whole hosts of other scripts in Python |
| 09:00.28 | jpin | Guerin: du might show the correct available space, but it won't help if i wan't to create a new file, because the OS thinks i'm out of space |
| 09:00.37 | Guerin | the ralink drivers in linux are a) not in the kernel by default b) not capable of master mode c) only capable of up to 802.11b performance in ad-hoc d) don't work without WEP |
| 09:01.14 | jpin | i guess i need a reboot.... i can't believe i have to do this in linux.... .. . :| |
| 09:01.20 | Guerin | whereas the ralink drivers in openbsd are a) 90% smaller b) in the default install c) work perfectly in all modes d) don't need WEP |
| 09:01.33 | Guerin | jpin: you don't need to |
| 09:01.41 | jpin | Guerin: really? |
| 09:01.51 | Guerin | concept10: monocultures are stupid |
| 09:01.57 | jpin | /dev/hda3 69G 66G 0 100% / |
| 09:02.01 | Guerin | jpin: well, at the very least you could unmount :) |
| 09:02.05 | jpin | avail = 0 |
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| 09:02.15 | Guerin | jpin: try writing a file? |
| 09:02.48 | jpin | Guerin: it works.. |
| 09:02.55 | Guerin | hurrah! |
| 09:03.04 | jpin | hm.. |
| 09:03.32 | jpin | i'm still not happy |
| 09:03.35 | jpin | :/ |
| 09:03.39 | Guerin | why not? |
| 09:03.43 | Guerin | it's working |
| 09:03.49 | jpin | because df shows 0 available space |
| 09:04.04 | tvynr | jpin: That's your root filesystem? What happens if you run df as root? |
| 09:04.08 | scv | strange people meet strange problems... |
| 09:04.13 | Guerin | it's strange - normally mine get updated straight away |
| 09:04.19 | Guerin | jpin: what filesystem? |
| 09:04.20 | jpin | tvynr: i just did df as root |
| 09:04.21 | tvynr | jpin: Looks to me as if your root fs is reserving the usual 5% for root. |
| 09:04.46 | Guerin | mm, 100M isn't quite 5% of 70G |
| 09:04.49 | jpin | Guerin: ext3 |
| 09:04.58 | Guerin | jpin: mounted as ext3, not ext2? |
| 09:05.01 | tvynr | jpin: pokes around |
| 09:05.08 | jpin | mounted as ext3 |
| 09:05.12 | Guerin | funky |
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| 09:05.30 | tvynr | jpin: Nevermind. It doesn't matter if you're running df as root or not; it still doesn't show the 5% of blocks reserved as root as "free." |
| 09:05.57 | tvynr | jpin: If you do the math, you obviously have about 3G free. But it's showing 0% because 5% of your 69G is reserved for root's use. |
| 09:06.11 | tvynr | jpin: Something tells me that you won't be able to create files as a normal user. |
| 09:06.19 | Guerin | nope |
| 09:06.31 | jpin | tvynr: hm.. right, i mean, i can't create a file in usermode |
| 09:06.37 | jpin | only as superuser |
| 09:06.38 | Guerin | oh, huh |
| 09:06.44 | jpin | bash: echo: write error: No space left on device |
| 09:06.45 | scv | ... |
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| 09:07.03 | tvynr | jpin: Right. So you either have to free up some space on that drive or decrease the percentage of blocks reserved for root by using tune2fs. |
| 09:07.04 | jpin | usermode = non-root |
| 09:07.07 | scv | can he use tune2fs to fix that? |
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| 09:07.14 | Guerin | tvynr: he DID free up some space |
| 09:07.22 | tvynr | Guerin: He'll have to free up some more. |
| 09:07.25 | Guerin | tvynr: no. |
| 09:07.26 | jpin | tvynr: i see.. |
| 09:07.29 | Guerin | tvynr: he freed up 100M |
| 09:07.35 | tvynr | Guerin: Yeah. So? |
| 09:07.35 | Guerin | that's enough, at least for a test |
| 09:07.46 | tvynr | Guerin: No... not if root is already using reserved blocks. |
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| 09:07.46 | Guerin | (unless he did it as root and it came out of root-only space) |
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| 09:07.56 | tvynr | Guerin: I was kind of getting that impression. :) |
| 09:08.13 | Guerin | right. Well, it'd make sense to not delete a file owned by root for the purpose of the test |
| 09:08.14 | jpin | yeah... i deleted that 100M as root |
| 09:08.23 | Guerin | but was it a file owned by root? |
| 09:08.34 | jpin | hmm.. actually no |
| 09:08.42 | tvynr | jpin: You're not... particularly suprised that this much space is being used on that drive, right? I mean, this isn't one of those situations where 10G have just disappeared on you? |
| 09:08.46 | jpin | Guerin: the file was owned by a user |
| 09:09.08 | tvynr | Guerin: Doesn't matter if the file was owned by root or not, IIRC. The 5% of blocks reserved for root are the last 5%. At least, so I thought. |
| 09:09.14 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 09:09.25 | tvynr | Guerin: I could be wrong on that, though. |
| 09:09.31 | jpin | tvynr: no i'm not.. i just created 2 files with a total of 8G, and then i got this problem |
| 09:09.44 | jpin | and was wondering about it.. |
| 09:09.50 | Guerin | ISTR df being quire renowned for misreporting space |
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| 09:10.15 | tvynr | jpin: Ah, okay. Just checking. I've had nasty surprises before where a bunch of crap got dumped to ~/.xsession-errors and that made all kinds of fun happen. I've since linked that file to /dev/null. :) |
| 09:10.34 | jpin | tvynr: heh..ok |
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| 09:11.46 | tvynr | jpin: But yeah... mkfs.ext{2,3} defaults to allocating 5% of blocks for root. I have a 1.2Tb RAID5 here used for general storage and no system stuffs... so I obviously tuned that down to 0% on that device. I left my root as 5%, but you could easily dial it down to 2% without any real problems. |
| 09:12.17 | tvynr | jpin: AFAIK, the only reason that root reserves blocks in the first place is to keep stuff like syslog writes from getting eaten 'cause some moron was playing with dd if=/dev/zero on your system. :) |
| 09:12.41 | Guerin | yep |
| 09:12.52 | Guerin | which sort of breaks a biut when you split partitions up, but hey |
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| 09:13.29 | jpin | ok, thanks for the englithenment tvynr and Guerin :-) |
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| 09:13.40 | tvynr | jpin: Glad to be of some use. :) Cheers. |
| 09:13.44 | scv | hahah |
| 09:14.01 | scv | I like old stories and old men |
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| 09:19.35 | n | i'm trying to install alsa but at "make install" he fails finding files: snd-hpet.ko snd-page-alloc.ko snd-pcm.ko snd-rtctimer.ko snd-timer.ko snd.ko |
| 09:19.56 | n | debian sarge and a audigy ls |
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| 09:20.04 | MythrilSword | mornin' all |
| 09:22.42 | poncha | guys, i need to convert flash (swf) into video (i need mpeg4 as final, but any video that ffmpeg/mencoder can handle will do).. i used to handle FLVs by ffmpeg.. but these.. i get from mencoder "unable to open demuxer" and ffmpeg only rips audio, asif there is only audio stream in it.. any ideas ? |
| 09:23.46 | poncha | the file isnt initially video btw, it is pure flash presentation (with vector objects, not imported from outside) |
| 09:24.12 | poncha | maybe what i am trying to do is not really doable? |
| 09:24.53 | scudette | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.11 | scudette | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.33 | graytron | does a customized /etc/pam.d/cron need to be diverted to be protected from upgrades? |
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| 09:25.51 | kuru | how do you force apt-get or dpkg to install _ALL_ files ? |
| 09:26.04 | kuru | after removing and 'purging' a package, I tried to install it again.. but it won't copy all the files |
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| 09:26.24 | poncha | scudette, i need to run the movie in flashplayer interactively for that? [i.e. that cannot be made batch automated] ? |
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| 09:26.34 | indraveni | hi |
| 09:26.43 | indraveni | hi, I configured postfix and courier imap, both are working fine |
| 09:26.50 | poncha | cause i need this for automatic transcoding.. |
| 09:26.50 | scudette | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.55 | indraveni | but when I am tring to configure in mail client then, I am not able to see any mails in the mail clients inbox |
| 09:27.01 | enouf | n: make modules; make modules_install maybe |
| 09:27.05 | indraveni | can any one help me in this aspect please |
| 09:27.08 | scudette | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.10 | poncha | scudette, ok, i'll readup on vncrec, thanks |
| 09:27.18 | scudette | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:28.42 | enouf | graytron: not sure, bu if it does look at dpkg-divert |
| 09:28.42 | wols | indraveni: what was the coruier problem? |
| 09:28.42 | wols | and what mail client? |
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| 09:28.43 | poncha | oh.. vncrec actually captures vnc session.. :) that wont work for me really :?( |
| 09:28.43 | yang | This cogito (etch) Cogito is a version control system , is it called git on sarge (GNU Interactive Tools, a file browser/viewer and process viewer/killer) ? |
| 09:29.02 | indraveni | wols, courier problem was, with security |
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| 09:29.22 | indraveni | wols, i commented the authorization of pam and redo the process |
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| 09:29.46 | indraveni | wols, later I activated the authorization , it worked |
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| 09:30.00 | indraveni | wols, the mail cleint I am using is evolution |
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| 09:32.28 | kuru | so how do I _force_ dpkg to install all the files it has!? |
| 09:32.55 | cydork | !wayttd kuru |
| 09:32.56 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, kuru? |
| 09:33.15 | kuru | cydork, I want to purge a pkg and then reinstall it, cleanly. |
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| 09:33.46 | indraveni | kuru, you can use apt-get --purge remove <pkg name> |
| 09:33.49 | cydork | kuru: then use --purge remove |
| 09:33.53 | kuru | it doesn't purge cleanly |
| 09:34.02 | kuru | indraveni, it leaves behind directories |
| 09:34.07 | kuru | I want it to delete EVERYTHING it creates |
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| 09:34.20 | cydork | kuru: dirs like? |
| 09:34.28 | kuru | and even after purgeing and manually rm the directories.. |
| 09:34.34 | kuru | it doesn't install all the files when I install it again |
| 09:34.35 | cast | then go through and rm them, if it leaves them it'll be for a reason [like avoiding deleting files it didn't install] |
| 09:34.36 | graytron | kuru: even --purge might not remove directories or files you have created yourself |
| 09:34.40 | indraveni | kuru, yes, sometimes debian couldn't remove some directories which are not empty,(may be u added some file into that directory manually) |
| 09:34.59 | indraveni | kuru, so you need to delete those directories manually using rm command |
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| 09:35.03 | kuru | okay, so removing them manually is fine |
| 09:35.11 | kuru | now when I reinstall, it doesn't create all the files it should have |
| 09:35.14 | kuru | like the first time I installed it |
| 09:35.37 | kuru | more specifically, gnats_4.1.0-0_i386.deb |
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| 09:36.16 | indraveni | wols, any idea about my problem? |
| 09:36.24 | wols | indraveni: and your mail client logs in (seen in logfiles that it opens the inbox) and there are mails in Maildir/new ? |
| 09:37.50 | wols | indraveni: telnet to port 143: login user pass select inbox |
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| 09:38.14 | wols | should have something like "* 113 EXISTS" then on output IIRC |
| 09:38.15 | indraveni | wols, no, in Maildir/new there are no mails. there are only mails in the mbox under the username |
| 09:38.35 | wols | indraveni: then it does not work. your postfix is still misconfigured |
| 09:38.47 | indraveni | wols, no, telnet is woking fine |
| 09:39.02 | indraveni | wols, how to select inbox in telnet |
| 09:39.35 | wols | indraveni: the way I told you |
| 09:39.41 | wols | a10 select imbox |
| 09:39.52 | wols | and it's empty cause your postfix is not configured for maildir delivery |
| 09:40.16 | wols | postconf mailbox_command |
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| 09:40.22 | wols | and postconf home_mailbox |
| 09:40.26 | wols | what do they say? |
| 09:41.23 | indraveni | wols, mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" |
| 09:41.57 | indraveni | wols, and there is no home_mailbox variable itself |
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| 09:42.36 | wols | indraveni: then your procmail is not configured right |
| 09:42.48 | wols | paste your procmailrc |
| 09:42.51 | indraveni | wols, I dint do any configuration for procmail |
| 09:43.00 | wols | then why do you run it? |
| 09:43.11 | wols | without config, it's a waste of cpu cycles and won#t even work |
| 09:43.23 | wols | are you planning to use procmail? |
| 09:43.39 | kuru | so no one knows how to force gnats to install properly |
| 09:43.39 | indraveni | wols, actually in freebsd when I did the same work, i dint use procmail , so i dont know about it |
| 09:43.52 | enouf | kuru: I can think of a few situations where that may be the case .. if you messed with debconf, or apt.conf settings, interactiveness with other pkgs it may use (user settings and such), .. look at apt-cache show gnats, check for a leftover /etc/default/* pkg related .. also your /etc/init.d/ files |
| 09:43.59 | wols | do you plan to use procmail, yes or no? |
| 09:44.05 | indraveni | wols, yes |
| 09:44.14 | wols | then learn how to configure it |
| 09:44.25 | indraveni | wols, if it is needed for deliveing mails properly to the inbox, then definetrly I want to use procmail |
| 09:44.35 | wols | it's not needed |
| 09:44.44 | indraveni | wols, I am having procmail installed, when I check with dpkg -l |
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| 09:45.03 | indraveni | wols, then, for what purpose procmail is needed? |
| 09:45.06 | wols | you have it installed but your config is BORKEN for your setup |
| 09:45.21 | wols | it's needed e.g. for using spamassassin |
| 09:45.27 | indraveni | wols, so, what should be my next step? |
| 09:45.31 | wols | well, not necessarily needed but it's the most mcommon case |
| 09:45.39 | indraveni | wols, procmail is used for filtering purpose |
| 09:45.41 | wols | to read procmail docs. hint: you lack a "/" |
| 09:45.44 | indraveni | right? |
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| 09:46.03 | wols | as I said: for SA setups |
| 09:46.30 | indraveni | wols, ok, then I will thinkg about it later, first my mail server should work properly |
| 09:46.42 | indraveni | wols, so where my sonfiguration when wrong? |
| 09:47.01 | scudette | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.10 | indraveni | wols, I am able to send mails to the users from mail client, but the user is not able to view the mails in the inbox of the mail client |
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| 09:47.36 | indraveni | wols, but in server when I am loging in as user and cheking the mails using the mail command, I am able to see all those mails |
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| 09:47.55 | wols | http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#maildir |
| 09:48.05 | wols | cause mail uses mbox by default |
| 09:48.10 | wols | and it's NOT using your imap |
| 09:48.32 | wols | cause your mail never ends up in your imap imbox. fix your main.c |
| 09:48.35 | wols | main.cf |
| 09:49.25 | wols | indraveni: are you doing this for a business setup? |
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| 09:50.00 | indraveni | wols, no, for our debian based distribution |
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| 09:50.23 | wols | what is the name of the distro? |
| 09:50.36 | indraveni | wols, BOSS , http://bosslinux.in |
| 09:50.39 | enouf | uh oh |
| 09:50.59 | wols | enouf: are you thinking what I'm thinking? |
| 09:51.10 | enouf | I think so .. yes ;-) |
| 09:51.33 | wols | ewll, we're not indian, so not much danger I hope |
| 09:51.49 | wols | but then, linspire is sold all over the world too |
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| 09:54.25 | guysoft | hi all , what kernel do i need for an intel centrino duo? |
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| 09:55.21 | dutchfish | guysoft, i would sugget 2.6.18-4 there no seprate SMP kernel anymore |
| 09:56.05 | GuySoft | dutchfish, why not? shouldent there be an optimized kernel for 64-bit? |
| 09:57.56 | GuySoft | isnt there a 64 bit version kernel for intel?? |
| 09:57.57 | indraveni | wols, I added the line for home_mailbox and tried again |
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| 10:00.11 | enouf | GuySoft: the amd64 and em64t kenrels have been merged |
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| 10:01.46 | enouf | GuySoft: see (6) here http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ |
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| 10:01.59 | cast | GutterPunk: why not grab the 64bit port? |
| 10:02.12 | lamer007 | hi guys, are there already etch install cd images out ? |
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| 10:02.32 | cast | lamer007: have been for months. |
| 10:02.46 | indraveni | wols, any help? |
| 10:02.56 | lamer007 | cast, I always found just 3.1 |
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| 10:03.09 | GuySoft | enouf, so now i need the venilla kernel? |
| 10:03.14 | FreezeS | anyone can help me with a NFS problem ? |
| 10:03.15 | wols | indraveni: where does postfix send your mail? |
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| 10:03.20 | enouf | lamer007: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 10:03.24 | wols | indraveni: paste your main.cf please |
| 10:03.28 | cast | lamer007: go to debian.org, click gettin debian |
| 10:03.34 | indraveni | wols, yes i will |
| 10:03.45 | enouf | GuySoft: for 64bit the amd64 port |
| 10:04.12 | wols | GuySoft: -686 one |
| 10:04.18 | indraveni | wols, its here http://pastebin.ca/401394 |
| 10:05.00 | wols | indraveni: you still have procmail in there |
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| 10:05.16 | lamer007 | cast, still finding out just links to 3.1r5 |
| 10:05.23 | indraveni | wols, do i need to comment it out? |
| 10:05.57 | cast | lamer007: look for the link to 'testing' |
| 10:06.06 | lamer007 | ok, thanks |
| 10:06.12 | indraveni | wols, yes, commenting that line, given the output |
| 10:06.18 | lamer007 | I thought the status is changed from testing to stable |
| 10:06.19 | indraveni | wols, sorry and thankyou very much |
| 10:06.39 | wols | indraveni: what is this relay_domans for |
| 10:06.41 | cast | lamer007: no, when it does expect the etch download to be easiest to find |
| 10:06.50 | wols | indraveni: you just made an open relay! |
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| 10:07.05 | indraveni | wols, yes, that still i need to edit |
| 10:07.10 | GuySoft | wols, 686, as in what used to be normal P4? |
| 10:07.18 | wols | indraveni: the question is, why is it in ther in the first place? |
| 10:07.28 | wols | GuySoft: no. 686 is a PPro |
| 10:07.53 | fireba11 | ooo rc2 is out :-) |
| 10:07.57 | GuySoft | PPro? what is that? |
| 10:08.06 | wols | PentiumPro |
| 10:08.14 | indraveni | wols, i dont know |
| 10:08.30 | wols | indraveni: you're really not fit to configure a mailserver |
| 10:08.39 | GuySoft | and centrio duo is part of PPro? |
| 10:08.43 | indraveni | wols, I am still learning |
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| 10:09.09 | wols | indraveni: and responsible why I have so much spam in my inbox |
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| 10:09.32 | wols | and making a distro is the WRONG place to learn such elementary basics about mail setups |
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| 10:10.08 | indraveni | what is wrong in learning something |
| 10:10.41 | indraveni | learning always comes from basics and missing some points |
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| 10:12.42 | wols | nothing is wrong in learning at all. the problem is you creating spam relays before you have learned anything |
| 10:12.55 | wols | and the problem is that you miss those very basics |
| 10:13.29 | wols | but try to create a distro which means your future users will have a very hard time due to the errors you made |
| 10:13.55 | indraveni | wols, I am not creating a distro, |
| 10:15.31 | wols | 10:50 < indraveni> wols, no, for our debian based distribution |
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| 10:15.42 | deathplanter | hi guys |
| 10:15.50 | deathplanter | i've just got a virtual server in czech |
| 10:16.06 | deathplanter | and i'm wondering if any of you could recommend me any good czech apt server |
| 10:16.13 | deathplanter | cause ftp.debian.org is kinda slow there ;P |
| 10:16.23 | cast | deathplanter: check debian.org for the mirror list. |
| 10:16.34 | deathplanter | alright ;) |
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| 10:17.04 | indraveni | wols, yes, I am not the member of the main team, I am into repository maintanance |
| 10:17.19 | cast | it's probably *.cz.debian.org, there is a consistant format i've forgotten... |
| 10:17.27 | cast | [if one exists, that is |
| 10:17.42 | deathplanter | i just edit sources.list and update,right? |
| 10:17.50 | simonrvn | yes there is |
| 10:17.54 | simonrvn | and that's it |
| 10:17.55 | cast | deathplanter: have a look at apt-spy, your local server might also be slow |
| 10:18.08 | deathplanter | apt-spy? never heard of it |
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| 10:18.59 | wols | !tell deathplanter about mirrors |
| 10:19.29 | wols | deathplanter: choose countries near you. e.g. at or de should be fairly fast if there is no czech debian.org |
| 10:19.29 | NetGrunt | hi there |
| 10:19.30 | deathplanter | thanks ;) |
| 10:20.00 | deathplanter | is etch testing or unstable? |
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| 10:20.20 | cydork | deathplanter: testing! |
| 10:20.26 | deathplanter | thanks ;) |
| 10:20.38 | NetGrunt | I have to use python 2.5 on my debian sarge. I've downloaded the tarball and compiled it with --prefix /opt/soft/python-2.5 so it doesn't interfere with my base ppython. Now I want to only use python 2.5 when I log in. Which variables should I set, apart from PATH ? Thanks |
| 10:20.48 | deathplanter | and i guess unstable has even newer software,right? |
| 10:20.52 | rainabba_ | There a gui LVM Management tool for Debian? (aside from the installer) |
| 10:21.17 | rainabba_ | Anyone here get Xen 3.0.3 working on Etch-amd64? |
| 10:21.23 | cast | NetGrunt: how about have alook at your currently defined variables, grep them for PY, and reconfigure where you feel nec. was 2.5 on backports.org though? |
| 10:21.34 | cydork | deathplanter: no newer and bleeding ;) |
| 10:21.45 | deathplanter | oic. |
| 10:21.47 | cast | rainabba_: well there's a xen amd64 kernel, so i presume so |
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| 10:22.07 | rainabba_ | cast: Well yes, in theory. I'm asking if anyone here HAS in reality. |
| 10:22.17 | bzed | rainabba: pv* vg* and lv* |
| 10:22.27 | bzed | rainabba_: ^^^ |
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| 10:23.10 | bzed | rainabba_: and afaik we have an amd64 box at work runnign with xen and etch now, no problems so far |
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| 10:23.29 | NetGrunt | cast : root]# set | grep -i pycast : OLDPWD=/opt/soft/Python-2.5-src ... and no, python 2.5 hasn't been backported (I wouldn't like to install it even if it was, it's a production system, I only need python 2.5 for a single specific thing) |
| 10:23.38 | rainabba_ | bzed: Afraid I don't follow. |
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| 10:24.26 | rainabba_ | bzed: Know of any issues that were encountered making that work? Everything I read indicates it should be a snap for Debian Etch, but I just get a machine that won't complete booting. |
| 10:24.51 | rainabba_ | bzed: Don't follow...... re: pv*, vg*, and lv* |
| 10:25.02 | cast | NetGrunt: since you're installing from source #python will probably be more use, i use python but use official debs :\ |
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| 10:25.22 | bzed | rainabba_: ls -l /sbin/pv* /sbin/lv* /sbin/vg* |
| 10:25.31 | rainabba_ | ahh |
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| 10:26.11 | NetGrunt | cast : I'll ask there as well, but I think it's not a particular thing about python. It's about installing libraries outside the default location. It could have been perl, ruby, R++, whatever. Thanks anyway :-) |
| 10:26.19 | bzed | rainabba_: no, afaik no problems at all. but there're amd chipsets which like to have various boot params or jsut a 2.6.20 |
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| 10:26.53 | rainabba_ | I've only got 2.6.18-4 Could that be a factor? |
| 10:27.08 | bzed | NetGrunt: probably you ned to set PYTHONPATH, not sure though |
| 10:27.26 | rainabba_ | bzed: None of those LVM tools are gui are they? (I'll live, but it's 3:30am and I'm losing steam) |
| 10:27.37 | NetGrunt | bzed : thanks anyway |
| 10:28.02 | bzed | rainabba_: it could, or not. you should show the error :) and no, those tools don;t have a gui, but it's easy to handle |
| 10:28.07 | NetGrunt | sorry for the Off-Topic : Does anybody know how can I register a nick name ? I need it to join #python |
| 10:28.18 | bzed | NetGrunt: /msg nickserv help |
| 10:28.22 | NetGrunt | thanks |
| 10:28.43 | rainabba_ | bzed: I don't get an error, I get a locked machine that I can't do ANYTHING with. I mean literally, a black screen. |
| 10:28.47 | Bracki | Once more, anybody running orinoco_cs w/ wpa_supplicant? |
| 10:29.15 | Guerin | !anyone use orinoco_cs w/ wpa_supplicant? |
| 10:29.15 | dpkg | No, no one uses orinoco_cs w/ wpa_supplicant, not even the people who use it. |
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| 10:29.25 | bzed | rainabba_: when does it blank out? |
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| 10:29.54 | Bracki | If so pls tell me how you set it up... |
| 10:30.04 | Bracki | Guerin: eh? |
| 10:30.12 | bzed | !tell Bracki about ask |
| 10:30.21 | Guerin | Bracki: stupid question -> stupid answer |
| 10:30.22 | rainabba_ | bzed: Last things I see load are "Xen Control Deamon", "Gnome something I don't recall" and "NFS" |
| 10:30.51 | bzed | rainabba_: then you don;t have a kernel problem but a problem with X |
| 10:31.12 | bzed | rainabba_: are you using the nvidia module? |
| 10:31.26 | rainabba_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.41 | bzed | using the fglxr driver, or however it's called? |
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| 10:32.28 | bzed | using the fglxr driver, or however it's called? rainabba_ |
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| 10:32.54 | cast | hmm, can you get accelerated graphics in xen with ATI? |
| 10:33.05 | rainabba_ | bzed: Looks like glx |
| 10:33.25 | bzed | glx is not a driver for you graphics card |
| 10:33.38 | rainabba_ | bzed: Scratch that. I do see the glx module, but the driver is ati |
| 10:33.59 | bzed | rainabba_: I guess you want to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and just use some dumb driver, probably just the vesa driver or something via framebuffer |
| 10:34.08 | bzed | seems the ati driver doesn;t like to work with xen |
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| 10:34.22 | cast | rainabba_: last tieme i checked you had to use vesa, though there is a patch for the nvidia drivers to get them to work in xen |
| 10:34.27 | bzed | cast: ir works on ia32 with xen and the nvidiadriver |
| 10:34.37 | bzed | but not on amd64 |
| 10:34.54 | bzed | and seriously, you do NOT need any X on a server |
| 10:35.10 | bzed | and on a desktop, just use kvm if you need virtualization |
| 10:35.31 | wols | bzed: how does a kvm help with that? |
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| 10:35.38 | rainabba_ | bzed: Not something I've had any experience with. Any other key words or phrases you can load me up with to help me learn? What I think I know is that dpkg-reconfigure will eventually result in a new initrd, but that my best guess :) |
| 10:35.41 | cast | is kvm dog slow? |
| 10:36.18 | wols | rainabba_: you seem to be confused |
| 10:36.22 | bzed | cast: no |
| 10:36.25 | rainabba_ | No supprise |
| 10:36.34 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure has nothing to do with initrd |
| 10:36.35 | rainabba_ | I was just about to ask if I could just edit my xorg.conf |
| 10:36.35 | bzed | rainabba_: your X has nothing to do with your initrd |
| 10:36.49 | bzed | rainabba_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:36.50 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure is simply re-running the debconf scripts after install |
| 10:36.53 | wols | no matter the package |
| 10:36.55 | Bracki | Guerin: no its not a stupid question. anybody using it surely came across the same problems... |
| 10:37.05 | rainabba_ | Ahh, sounds useful :) |
| 10:37.20 | NetGrunt | bye |
| 10:37.21 | bzed | rainabba_: are you configuring a server? or a desktop to play with? |
| 10:37.39 | cast | hmm, i'd use kvm if it was in debian |
| 10:37.42 | wols | Bracki: it is a very stupid question. you don't want to know who runs it, you want to know how to solve a specific problem. ask about the problem and don't take a poll |
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| 10:38.06 | rainabba_ | bzed: The intention is a server, but I'm still wet-behind-the-ears with linux in general and brand-new to Debian so the gui reduces the pain and swelling. |
| 10:38.17 | wols | rainabba_: it doesn't |
| 10:38.21 | Bracki | if you read my subsequent question you wouldnt be yapping but just anwsering thx. |
| 10:38.25 | wols | all it does is create another thing to break |
| 10:38.46 | bzed | rainabba_: guis make things just more complicated |
| 10:39.29 | liable | jump right in, it will hurt for a while, but you'll be better off without gui's |
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| 10:39.45 | wols | rainabba_: linux is not windows so many things, especially on a server, can't be done with a gui wizard. instead you always need to edit config files |
| 10:40.01 | wols | and for editing, a GUI is useless |
| 10:40.14 | bzed | rainabba_: a lot of people use debian on servers because you do NOT need to isntall X and a ton of other shit to have a server. |
| 10:40.50 | Bracki | What do i need to do to get wpa_supplicant running succesfully w/ orinoco_cs? There's no option for the hermes driver. On the wpa_supplicant online manpage it says Hermes is supported. So did you just get the latest wpasupplicant or did you substitute orinoco_cs with a different driver? |
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| 10:42.48 | rainabba_ | bzed: Message received. The GUI will go once things are working but in the meantime, web, irc, and the ability to hunt through menus and look for tools is useful. Just finished the reconfigure so I'm going to try the xen kernel again. Thanks for all the expert feedback. |
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| 10:43.24 | bzed | Bracki: what do you mean by 'there's no option for hermes'? |
| 10:43.59 | Bracki | wpa_supplicant in sarge doesnt seem to support the hermes/orinoco driver. wpa_supplicant -D <driver>. |
| 10:44.38 | bzed | -Dhermes does not work? |
| 10:44.44 | Bracki | no |
| 10:44.51 | liable | Bracki: hrm, the sarge wpa-supp is lacking in many aspects |
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| 10:45.16 | bzed | Bracki: probably there's a new qpa-sup in backports, did you check that? |
| 10:45.23 | bzed | !tell Bracki about bpo |
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| 10:45.42 | bzed | Bracki: you probably want to upgrade to etch to solve the problem |
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| 10:46.26 | bzed | !tell Bracki about sarge->etch |
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| 10:50.41 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:50.42 | dpkg | <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd |
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| 10:51.16 | wols | classic |
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| 10:51.30 | michas | hi, how do i configure my debian to use a cups-server in my network? |
| 10:51.46 | michas | which packages do I need? |
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| 10:52.03 | rainabba_ | I'm running in the Xen kernel! |
| 10:52.13 | liable | if the thing is really networked, running the cups gui should find it |
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| 10:52.38 | michas | liable, how do i access the cups gui? |
| 10:53.14 | liable | michas: in your browser, 127.0.0.1:631 |
| 10:53.20 | Bracki | bzed|afk: ok, i'll try etch. will take ages though... |
| 10:53.53 | liable | michas: you need cups on the client of course.. |
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| 10:53.57 | michas | liable, doesnt work. which package do i need to let it work. |
| 10:54.23 | liable | michas: cupsys-bsd (should pull in the other stuff) |
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| 10:54.58 | michas | liable, I installed it already, but it doesnt run the web-interface. |
| 10:55.20 | liable | michas: install cupsd then |
| 10:56.14 | michas | liable, it's probably the cupssys-package, right? |
| 10:56.35 | liable | michas: no, the daemon |
| 10:56.39 | Kennythegeek | okay... i want to download debian netinst, but theres something wrong with port 80 on my network... so can anyone give me a direct ftp link? |
| 10:57.45 | Bracki | so etch still has python2.4 as default? |
| 10:57.59 | Kennythegeek | (or maybe the full version) |
| 10:58.04 | streuner | Bracki: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:58.08 | streuner | Bracki: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 10:58.13 | jelly-home | hmm, aptitude says: "W: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode" |
| 10:58.13 | michas | liable, the cupssys-package includes the cupsd-deamon. |
| 10:58.23 | michas | liable, I'll install it. |
| 10:58.32 | remoteCtrl | hi, when scanning it says g_NCR5280:1524 timeout and stalls --- there's a way to tell ncr to wait some more for device to be ready ? |
| 10:58.36 | liable | jelly-home: is /var rw? |
| 10:58.36 | jelly-home | no other apt or aptitude is running |
| 10:58.56 | jelly-home | liable: it is |
| 10:59.06 | liable | jelly-home: is it full? |
| 10:59.17 | jelly-home | liable: only 8GB free |
| 10:59.19 | Bracki | streuner: i was wondering aboout the fact that its not python 2.5 |
| 10:59.20 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 11:00.23 | liable | on a 200G drive 10G would be the reserve |
| 11:00.39 | liable | not that one would have a 200G /var.. |
| 11:00.48 | bzed|afk | Bracki: yeah, etch has py24 as default |
| 11:01.09 | bzed|afk | Bracki: there're still a lot of modules which do not support py2.5, so that's a good thing that the default is 24 |
| 11:01.34 | jelly-home | liable: there's some free space in what df shows, I'm not counting the reserve |
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| 11:02.07 | michas | Do I really need a CUPS server on a simple CUPS client? |
| 11:02.15 | liable | jelly-home: well, thats all a bit weird then :P |
| 11:03.27 | jelly-home | liable: that's why I'm asking about it ;-) |
| 11:03.50 | liable | michas: yep, you need something listening to your apps, wether it just passes it to another box, or to the printer directly |
| 11:04.17 | jelly-home | liable: it updates the Package and Release files, does most of the work, and throws that warning at the end |
| 11:04.39 | liable | jelly-home: only time i recall having a similar error was full disk |
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| 11:06.44 | jelly-home | liable: fwiw, http://paste.debian.net/23997 |
| 11:06.48 | f00li5h | this is going to seem like a stupid question, but has anyone ever run an apt-mirror on NetBSD? |
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| 11:08.01 | liable | jelly-home: are you positive nothing has that file open? |
| 11:08.30 | wols | f00li5h: look into debian/BSD perhaps |
| 11:08.39 | jelly-home | liable: I don't even know which file is it. ;-) |
| 11:08.40 | wols | so I'd say it's possible |
| 11:08.42 | Bracki | how can i continue dist-upgrade if i interrupted it? |
| 11:08.45 | jelly-home | ... |
| 11:08.50 | wols | Bracki: just start again |
| 11:09.02 | f00li5h | wols: tell me more of this "debian/BSD" |
| 11:09.14 | tarzeau | !kfreebsd |
| 11:09.14 | jelly-home | liable: ah, found it, a previous upgrade was unfinished. apt-get displays more useful messages than aptitude |
| 11:09.32 | tarzeau | f00li5h: #gnu-kbsd |
| 11:09.42 | f00li5h | tarzeau: what's the K for? |
| 11:09.50 | tarzeau | f00li5h: kernel, it's in their faq |
| 11:09.50 | wols | f00li5h: http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/ |
| 11:10.04 | liable | jelly-home: sweet |
| 11:10.16 | f00li5h | wols: debian ported to NetBSD, that's an odd idea |
| 11:10.17 | tarzeau | wols: the netbsd one is pretty outdated and not active i think |
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| 11:10.32 | tarzeau | f00li5h: it's more like their kernel ported to debian |
| 11:10.51 | f00li5h | so it's running NetBSD on debian... |
| 11:11.05 | tarzeau | f00li5h: i run a FreeBSD kernel with Debian (that's dpkg and apt-get) |
| 11:11.12 | tarzeau | f00li5h: with a GNU C Library |
| 11:11.46 | f00li5h | hrm, that sounds a little too "i don't know what i want to run" for my likings |
| 11:12.04 | tarzeau | f00li5h: why? |
| 11:12.04 | f00li5h | but i'm sure that's something worth a read |
| 11:12.27 | f00li5h | tarzeau: it reminds me of installing debian packages on ubuntu |
| 11:12.30 | liable | do we have other images now?? |
| 11:12.41 | tarzeau | f00li5h: that's nothing related to #debian and will break things |
| 11:12.41 | f00li5h | some dark fusion, neither debian nor netbsd |
| 11:12.51 | tarzeau | f00li5h: the debian gnu/kfreebsd is one fine thing! |
| 11:13.11 | f00li5h | do i need to do this to get an apt-mirror? |
| 11:13.34 | jelly-home | apt-something is probably more related to Debian than to anything else |
| 11:13.50 | f00li5h | jelly-home: sure, that sounds fair |
| 11:14.11 | f00li5h | perhaps i'll just nab the source package, run it up the flagpole, and see who salutes |
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| 11:23.15 | toxik | Isn't there any GTK engines in Apt? |
| 11:24.00 | Althaser | toxik sure it is |
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| 11:24.21 | Althaser | toxik aptitude search gtk-engines* |
| 11:24.21 | Thomasss_ | can I burn the etch business card to a DVD ? |
| 11:24.23 | toxik | Althaser: I can't find murrine - it is in portage |
| 11:24.41 | jelly-home | toxik: apt-cache search gtk.\*engine too |
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| 11:25.28 | jelly-home | toxik: correct, apparently that one isn't packaged yet |
| 11:25.33 | Thomasss_ | can I burn the etch business card to a DVD ? |
| 11:26.06 | Kennythegeek | thomasss_: business card == mini cd, right? then it would be no |
| 11:26.29 | Thomasss_ | Kennythegeek I really can't ? |
| 11:27.19 | wols | Kennythegeek: you are wrong |
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| 11:27.20 | yacc | Just wondering, is it possible to change the journal device of a mounted and used reiserfs during use? |
| 11:27.52 | toxik | jelly-home: I see, too bad - it is beautiful |
| 11:28.00 | Kennythegeek | wols: cd-iso's can be burned on dvd's? |
| 11:28.12 | wols | of course they can |
| 11:28.13 | Althaser | toxik http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755 |
| 11:28.47 | Kennythegeek | wols: i just remember something about a dvd doesnt support the iso format... well, then i was wrong |
| 11:29.02 | Kennythegeek | *the cd iso format |
| 11:30.34 | Kennythegeek | Anyone got time to give me a full ftp link to the latest deb release? theres something wrong with port 80 on my network, so i can't look at debian.org, and i can't find the release on ftp.debian.org |
| 11:30.45 | jelly-home | but, can a cd iso be burnt to a dvd and then booted from? |
| 11:31.02 | Kennythegeek | jelly-home: if wols is right, yea |
| 11:31.24 | streuner | Knoppix uses DVD's too.. |
| 11:31.58 | jelly-home | Kennythegeek: I think I tried that once when I was out of cd media and it didn't work |
| 11:32.47 | wols | jelly-home: yes it can |
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| 11:33.14 | AndyMcGee | Hi |
| 11:34.08 | wols | Kennythegeek: stable or testing? |
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| 11:34.56 | Thomasss_ | can I burn the etch business card to a dvd ? |
| 11:35.08 | SlayerXP | Thomasss_: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 11:35.11 | wols | Thomasss_: yes |
| 11:35.23 | Thomasss_ | wols: you are sure ? |
| 11:35.27 | wols | I am sure |
| 11:35.41 | Thomasss_ | wols: ok thanks a lot |
| 11:35.43 | wols | it is possible at leaswt with Nero since I did it before |
| 11:35.51 | Thomasss_ | okay |
| 11:35.55 | wols | not the businesscard but bootable CDs |
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| 11:36.53 | Kennythegeek | wols: stable |
| 11:37.07 | Kennythegeek | (sorry for the waiting, had to help my mom) |
| 11:37.19 | wols | Kennythegeek: ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 11:37.32 | Kennythegeek | thanks |
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| 11:38.35 | Kennythegeek | netinst uses the apt system to install the missing packages, yes? and the apt system uses port...? |
| 11:39.05 | Thomasss_ | wols: what do you mean not the business but bootables cds ? |
| 11:39.09 | wols | Kennythegeek: no |
| 11:39.15 | Kennythegeek | wols: ? |
| 11:39.36 | wols | Thomasss_: that I did it with netinstall CDs. but the businesscard is only a smaller ISO otherwise the same, so yes, it does work with DVDs |
| 11:39.47 | Thomasss_ | okay wols |
| 11:39.48 | cast | Kennythegeek: the one for http/ftp normally...[80,21] |
| 11:39.49 | wols | Kennythegeek: there is no "port" in debian |
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| 11:40.07 | aronofsky | hi |
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| 11:40.14 | giupy | hi all |
| 11:40.27 | Kennythegeek | wols: i mean tcp/ip port... can i force port 21? |
| 11:40.32 | wols | and no matter from what you install, you always use apt to install software, no matter from where and no matter how you installed debian |
| 11:40.43 | wols | you can download via ftp, yes |
| 11:40.51 | wols | all mirrors allow ftp |
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| 11:41.18 | wols | apt uses http, ftp or proxies |
| 11:41.35 | wols | among other things |
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| 11:41.54 | Kennythegeek | okay, so with me not able to use port 80 (http) i can still use netinst |
| 11:41.55 | giupy | i have setted my lcd monitor to 75hz and X goes well, however kdm doesn't go, when kdm starts, my monitor shut down and if i write my password monitor turn on and kde starts normally, what can be the peoblem ? |
| 11:42.05 | aronofsky | I got a wireless card intel 2200BG and i wonder how to make it work on debian, should I install ipw2200 from apt ? I dont really get the difference because there is already the folowing modules in my libs : /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
| 11:42.11 | aronofsky | in what is it different ? |
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| 11:43.07 | wols | aronofsky: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 11:44.05 | Kennythegeek | Okay, my last request: could someone give me the UBCD ftp download link? i need it to start a linux install, for some reason, grub and lilo wont install into MBR, so i need another boot loader |
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| 11:44.16 | Kennythegeek | *boot |
| 11:44.46 | aronofsky | wols, so if I get it right I got nothing to do, I already got it , right ? |
| 11:45.36 | wols | no. read all dpkg told you |
| 11:46.08 | wols | unless it has now Free firmware |
| 11:46.18 | Kennythegeek | giupy: does the same happen with other managers? like XDM or GDM? or is it only KDM? |
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| 11:46.58 | giupy | Kennythegeek: dunno, but i can't understand why X goes well, wmaker and kde, but kdm cause problems |
| 11:47.05 | aronofsky | wols, I read : It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15, so I dont need to build anything ... do I misunderstood ? |
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| 11:47.47 | Kennythegeek | giupy: it can be a bug in kdm... but try with the others |
| 11:48.12 | cydork | aronofsky: nope! you dont have to build it for kernels >= 2.6.15 just put the firmware.. |
| 11:49.17 | wols | aronofsky: yes. read ALL of it |
| 11:49.34 | wols | 12:46 < wols> unless it has now Free firmware |
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| 11:55.25 | xinming | hello, When I compiled kenrel myself, How do I make an initrd with lvm boot enable in debian please? |
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| 11:56.32 | cast | xinming: one doesn't really get much support here for custom kernels |
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| 11:58.05 | Gnea | !initrd |
| 11:58.06 | dpkg | i heard initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 11:58.06 | kombi_ | can someone recommend a good vserver hoster in the US? |
| 11:58.09 | bzed|afk | xinming: man update-initramfs |
| 11:58.18 | Gnea | cast: that's what you think |
| 11:58.30 | cast | well, ok |
| 11:58.31 | potolo | is one in the "same" #debian chatroom, irrespective of whether they connect through the freenode.net or its successor (for #debian) oftc.net? |
| 11:58.39 | bzed|afk | no potolo |
| 11:58.44 | cast | when i've asked you people have told me to 'use stock.' |
| 11:58.46 | kombi_ | ..that runs our beloved distro? |
| 11:58.57 | kombi_ | potolo: nope |
| 11:59.05 | cast | [not that specific question, but ones relating to custom kernels] |
| 11:59.11 | Gnea | cast: pardon? i don't recall ever seeing you ask that before. |
| 11:59.13 | potolo | kombi_: You're best off going to look at webhostingtalk.com really. FWIW I have a Debian VPS with Spry.com in the States. |
| 11:59.13 | streuner | cast: there are *only* more than 500 options to configure modern kernels |
| 11:59.23 | Gnea | then again, i'm not always here |
| 11:59.30 | cast | in the end i stopped using custom kernels, and its been going good :) |
| 11:59.38 | cast | Gnea: this was a long time ago |
| 11:59.51 | kombi_ | potolo: point taken.., is spry.com good, reliable, well connected? |
| 11:59.56 | streuner | There are only a few people who needs a custom kernel here |
| 12:00.05 | Gnea | point is, if you use vanilla kernels, you're pretty much on your own. if you need help using debian tools and debian methods to get the job done, no problem. |
| 12:00.06 | streuner | so just use an official kernel |
| 12:00.07 | cast | kombi_: linode.com is great, but that's UML not vserver |
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| 12:00.37 | xinming | Gnea: thanks |
| 12:00.37 | potolo | kombi_: Before I used a2b2.com. they were good too. UK-based but you can opt for hosting in a US datacenter. I switched to spry.com only a month ago to be honest. cheaper than the (good) a2b2.com and I mainly use the VPS for hobbyist stuff really |
| 12:00.55 | Gnea | streuner: typically, people who are compiling a kernel in here are doing so for a reason |
| 12:01.18 | streuner | cast: if you have a very special reason, why you just need an custom kernel, just ask and you'll get help. |
| 12:01.27 | Gnea | most of the time, it's a sound/good reason |
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| 12:01.43 | streuner | Gnea: well, a large number of people just playing |
| 12:01.54 | potolo | kombi_: sorry, that should be I'm with VPSLink.com - spry.com's 'budget' line. spry.com offer vps plans also |
| 12:02.03 | cast | ESSIV was my reason but not anymore :) |
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| 12:02.23 | Gnea | streuner: when you say 'just playing', do you mean that they're trying to waste our time with non-debian nonsense, aka trolling, or they're just trying to learn how it works? |
| 12:02.47 | streuner | they wanna learn how to use it |
| 12:03.02 | kombi_ | potolo: vpslink.com I think I already use, quite good I think |
| 12:03.43 | Gnea | nothing wrong with that, as long as they're not being dicks about it ;) |
| 12:03.45 | streuner | but as i said before, its pretty dangerous for the hardware itselfs, you don't make changes on a 'KERNEL' without consequences |
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| 12:04.09 | Gnea | streuner: good point |
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| 12:04.29 | potolo | kombi_: Cool, thanks. I've been with them a month only; so, that's reassuring. |
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| 12:04.42 | potolo | kombi_: out've interest: what makes you want to switch? |
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| 12:06.44 | Gnea | oh god, people are just plain *stupid*... some asshole in ohio boiled a dog alive, skinned it, then left it to rot and die on the side of the road... yeah, totally off-topic, but gah, that pisses me off |
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| 12:07.00 | kombi_ | potolo: We have this client that keeps asking for fresh IPs.. |
| 12:07.31 | Gnea | kombi_: sounds like a spammer |
| 12:07.35 | potolo | kombi_: just for the record, when switching from a2b2.com the other USA-based vps hosts I looked at were tektonic.net and vpsland.com. The former lost as "Slow VPS, unannounced host maintenance apparently." while my resaearch on the latter showed "Terrible support/downtime apparently." |
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| 12:07.56 | HostilePenguin | people have all went retarded |
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| 12:08.17 | HostilePenguin | cant even go outside anymore :( |
| 12:08.20 | Gnea | HostilePenguin: i blame meth |
| 12:08.28 | potolo | Gnea: possibly. might just be an enthusiast? "ok i need an IP for my BugZilla install" "one for my LiveJournal install" "one for one vhost" "one for an SSL section of some society website" etc... |
| 12:08.34 | kombi_ | Gnea: fortunately he's not.. run's a zillion of sites though and uses SEOs (sic!) |
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| 12:08.49 | HostilePenguin | i blame undereducation and mental illness |
| 12:09.12 | Gnea | HostilePenguin: what do you think meth produces? |
| 12:09.30 | potolo | If it was boiled alive and skinned it was presumably, sadly, dead by the time it reached the side of the road. |
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| 12:09.49 | potolo | Richard Pryor smoked crystal meth. |
| 12:09.59 | HostilePenguin | i dont know the side effects of crystal meth but theres alot of effed up people and i dont think they all take meth |
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| 12:10.58 | HostilePenguin | but thats what our great leaders want |
| 12:11.23 | HostilePenguin | a society that needs to be ruled |
| 12:11.53 | iamtheric | what windows x forwarding app you guys use? |
| 12:11.57 | potolo | HostilePenguin: well, I doubt they want animal cruelty and sadism... |
| 12:12.07 | HostilePenguin | o comon |
| 12:12.26 | HostilePenguin | no you goverment loves you |
| 12:12.30 | HostilePenguin | your |
| 12:12.40 | potolo | HostilePenguin: Well, I do look good. |
| 12:13.29 | Gnea | HostilePenguin: i suggest that you do your homework on it then - drugs do all sorts of terrible things to people's minds - it drives them crazy - especially when they're illegal/unregulated. but yeah, gov't wants easy-to-control people no doubt, but that still doesn't explain why people do stupid things like that... get to the heart of the matter, not just the surface, if you want to actually fix the problem. |
| 12:13.38 | Gnea | anyway |
| 12:14.10 | HostilePenguin | linux is a vorpal blade against the new world order |
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| 12:14.23 | Gnea | only if you smoke crack |
| 12:14.49 | HostilePenguin | i dont want to waste my time doing homework about drug head that cant wise up |
| 12:15.12 | Gnea | HostilePenguin: are you sure that linux isn't the vorpal blade that the new world order is weilding? |
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| 12:15.42 | HostilePenguin | well ive thought of that too |
| 12:15.49 | HostilePenguin | decisions |
| 12:16.15 | HostilePenguin | i know id ont get constant porn pop ups in debian |
| 12:16.41 | Gnea | HostilePenguin: if you aren't willing to take the time to do the proper research, then don't bother telling anyone about your baseless opinions. |
| 12:16.56 | HostilePenguin | research? |
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| 12:17.08 | HostilePenguin | on what meth |
| 12:17.13 | MadDwarf | i'm having a problem installing Debian-Stable. It seems to install ok, but then when X tries to start I get a No Screens Found error. I have tried editing XF86config, to no avail. can anyone help? |
| 12:17.39 | Gnea | HostilePenguin: sounds like you're still living in a bubble |
| 12:17.42 | HostilePenguin | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree96 |
| 12:17.48 | HostilePenguin | 86 |
| 12:17.48 | potolo | MadDwarf: It uses X.org, now. Have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 12:18.00 | potolo | HostilePenguin: really? :/ |
| 12:18.02 | HostilePenguin | man bubble i was a cop in a big city for years |
| 12:18.13 | potolo | MadDwarf: oh my bad, misinformed. |
| 12:18.14 | Gnea | !drxx |
| 12:18.15 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 12:18.27 | MadDwarf | i have not tried using xorg. when did they change over? |
| 12:18.33 | HostilePenguin | hes using xfree86 |
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| 12:19.34 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: stable (aka sarge) does not use xorg, it's using xfree86 |
| 12:19.56 | MadDwarf | my install has xf86. what wil running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 do? |
| 12:20.09 | Gnea | HostilePenguin: you? a cop? sure, whatever. |
| 12:20.19 | bzed|afk | !tell MadDwarf about drxx |
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| 12:21.17 | MadDwarf | is that an automated reconfigure? or will it want some info from me? |
| 12:21.20 | HostilePenguin | i just want to drink tea and run debian |
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| 12:21.35 | HostilePenguin | and try to quit smoking cigaretts |
| 12:21.46 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: that'll ask you some things |
| 12:21.46 | Gnea | it's possible to use X.org in Sarge with backports |
| 12:21.52 | Gnea | !backports |
| 12:21.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 12:22.09 | Gnea | HostilePenguin: word to quitting cigs, i haven't had one in just over 2 weeks now |
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| 12:22.31 | HostilePenguin | good for you i hope for you own health that you stay quit |
| 12:22.49 | Gnea | how far have you made it? |
| 12:23.03 | HostilePenguin | man im looking at a pack right now |
| 12:23.08 | Gnea | lol |
| 12:23.20 | Gnea | the only way to quit... is cold turkey |
| 12:23.27 | bzed|afk | HostilePenguin: drop it into water, then keep looking on it |
| 12:23.27 | MadDwarf | somehow i seem not to have a CLI browser installed, soi am currently on a differnt PC. I have trieed running XF86config but It doesn't help. |
| 12:23.54 | Gnea | get down to your last few cigs... instead of going to the store for another pack/carton, go take a walk in the park |
| 12:24.06 | HostilePenguin | yes or go fishing |
| 12:24.17 | Gnea | i suppose that could work as well |
| 12:24.29 | Gnea | but basically, anything that excercises the lungs |
| 12:24.53 | Gnea | cuz everytime i get that feeling that i wanna light one up, it's just a matter of telling my lungs: "fuck you!" :) |
| 12:24.55 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: apt-get install links << for a lci browser. why don't you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86> |
| 12:24.58 | bzed|afk | ? |
| 12:25.55 | Gnea | since the idea is to get more oxygen to your brain so that you can think more clearly |
| 12:25.57 | MadDwarf | bzed|afk - I will run dpkg-reconfigure - but I am trying to get more info first - will have to power down and swap HDD to try anything |
| 12:26.07 | HostilePenguin | man |
| 12:26.15 | Gnea | yeah, i got it all figured out |
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| 12:26.28 | Gnea | environment is a big factor too |
| 12:26.31 | HostilePenguin | maddwarf do your thing |
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| 12:27.21 | Gnea | oh yes, there's nothing quite like dropping a full pack of smokes into a deep puddle in the rain |
| 12:27.43 | MadDwarf | dpkg-reconfigure will ask me for info about my hardware, yes? I have run xf86config, and it didn't help. what will dpkg-reconfigure do differenty? |
| 12:28.00 | Gnea | MadDwarf: it's a different approach |
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| 12:28.19 | Gnea | it's also the supported approach |
| 12:28.53 | MadDwarf | I am using a geforce6600, if that makes any difference |
| 12:29.19 | MadDwarf | and have a kvm plugged in |
| 12:29.23 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: you should get a copy of var/log/Xfree86.0.log or however that was called on xfree and show to us. also the output of 'lspci -v | grep -A 1 VGA' would be good to have |
| 12:29.43 | bzed|afk | !tell MadDwarf about nvidia one_liner |
| 12:29.51 | bzed|afk | !tell MadDwarf about nvidia one-liner |
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| 12:30.16 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: although the nv driver should work with that card |
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| 12:30.36 | MadDwarf | ok thnx bzed|afk |
| 12:31.13 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: no scrren found sounds more like a misconfigured config of the screen (like wrong sync rates or somethign like that) |
| 12:31.21 | MadDwarf | i did see some talk of the BusID (PCI:0:10:0) being wrong? |
| 12:31.32 | bzed|afk | is it an agp card? |
| 12:31.35 | MadDwarf | i have found the sync rates from the back of my monitor |
| 12:31.38 | MadDwarf | yes agp |
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| 12:31.55 | Gnea | MadDwarf: you may or may not want to use NVagp |
| 12:32.14 | bzed|afk | you coudl just remove the busid from the config, should work without it MadDwarf |
| 12:32.17 | Gnea | i have a couple nvidia agp cards, using nvagp helps |
| 12:32.31 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: or use lspci to figure out what the right one is. |
| 12:32.33 | MadDwarf | where do i get/should I have NVagp? |
| 12:32.36 | Gnea | as long as the busid is the correct busid, it shouldn't hurt |
| 12:32.51 | Gnea | MadDwarf: it's part of the configuration, i usually do it by hand |
| 12:32.52 | bzed|afk | pci:0:10:0 doesn;t look like agp |
| 12:33.00 | MadDwarf | lspci will tell me the correct busID? |
| 12:33.03 | bzed|afk | yes |
| 12:33.03 | HostilePenguin | research prior to a large scale indeavor is priceless |
| 12:33.42 | Gnea | lspci -X | grep VGA | awk '{print $1}' |
| 12:33.49 | Gnea | ^^^ that will provide that proper busid |
| 12:34.21 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: often just reading the log in /var/log/X... will show you the problem |
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| 12:35.22 | zir0faive | Gnea: you probably meant lspci -x |
| 12:35.45 | HostilePenguin | logging freaks me out |
| 12:35.47 | MadDwarf | ok - got some more ideas, thanks! I shall go reconfigure, and get links. Also, cn you reccomend a IRC I can install for CLI? so I can get back here from the system with the problem |
| 12:36.21 | wols | !irssi |
| 12:36.21 | dpkg | [irssi] the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 12:37.19 | MadDwarf | i tried running irssi (by typing irc) ... could find no way to use it |
| 12:37.19 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: and use links as browser |
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| 12:37.19 | wols | you run it by running "irssi" |
| 12:37.20 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: apt-get install irssi before trying to use it? |
| 12:37.20 | bzed|afk | err |
| 12:37.27 | bzed|afk | apt-get install irssi-text |
| 12:37.38 | MadDwarf | when i typed irc, irssi started up. but nothing i typed would do anything |
| 12:37.42 | wols | and insied irssi: /connect irc.freenode.org then /join debian |
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| 12:38.23 | MadDwarf | ok, shall go try again. see you in 5 |
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| 12:38.32 | MadDwarf | thanks for help |
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| 12:47.59 | Web | Hi, anyone now's how i can pull out the IRQ settings in debian, i mean what cmd do i need to show this on the screen. |
| 12:48.14 | wols | cat |
| 12:48.18 | Web | I have a spurious irq 7 |
| 12:48.38 | wols | cat /proc/interrupts |
| 12:49.09 | wols | lspci -v shows it |
| 12:49.37 | rtsg | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.54 | bzed|afk | !lart rtsg |
| 12:51.21 | Web | it's the usb controller irq 7 thnks |
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| 12:51.47 | rtsg | sorry |
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| 12:52.34 | Web | I think I turn back on legacy for usb in the bios. |
| 12:52.37 | passaro | long away list there.. |
| 12:52.47 | Web | reboot |
| 12:52.50 | Web | woops |
| 12:52.58 | wols | Web: why do you reboot? |
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| 12:59.11 | pattm | Heya, I'm having DNAT issues, can't get a DNAT to forward a port from my linux firewall box to an internal machine |
| 12:59.17 | chris_alt | hey! could anyone probably tell me where to find Xine (for amd64, sarge)? |
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| 12:59.25 | pattm | http://rafb.net/p/gxcRZO83.html is my iptables and ifconfig output |
| 12:59.45 | Crypticfortune_ | ok, so i'm trying to get an ia32 chroot root going (on AMD64 etch), and my home directory is mounted via an autofs nfs mount. doing the "mount --bind /home /var/chroot/etch32/home" thing leaves me with an empty directory root-owned directory for my home which isn't helpful. how should i go about mounting home inside the chroot? |
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| 12:59.59 | Crypticfortune_ | chris_alt: afaik wine for amd64 doesn't exist? |
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| 13:00.21 | Knight_Lord | xargs must be the best command ever written! But does anyone know if there's a version of xargs with a progress meter? |
| 13:00.33 | xinming | I have root in lvm. How do I make the initrd image debian way to support lvm loading please? |
| 13:00.34 | Crypticfortune_ | chris_alt: you can run the i386 stuff natively though without serious issues.... (i think. i run i386 crossover under amd64) |
| 13:00.34 | chris_alt | Crypticfortune_: I guess xine in fact does... saw it somehow. Wine for sure doesn't. |
| 13:00.52 | CGI424 | pattm: how do you make the html page like this? |
| 13:00.58 | Crypticfortune_ | chris_alt: ahh sorry, i misread. |
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| 13:01.02 | chris_alt | np |
| 13:01.02 | chris_alt | :) |
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| 13:01.44 | liable | xinming: /boot is in lvm ?? |
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| 13:02.27 | xinming | liable: No, Just root |
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| 13:02.50 | Aguncala | wols i think it's over now thnks |
| 13:03.02 | Knight_Lord | xinming http://deb.riseup.net/storage/lvm2/#the_system_is_not_recognizing_my_boot_lvm_partitions_and_kernel_panics |
| 13:03.19 | wols | Aguncala: what is over? |
| 13:03.24 | Aguncala | wols Aguncala - alias web <nick was in use orso |
| 13:03.43 | Aguncala | wols the spurious irq7 |
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| 13:03.54 | liable | xinming: shouldnt be a problem then |
| 13:03.55 | wols | ah. different nick |
| 13:04.05 | Aguncala | yp |
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| 13:04.40 | Knight_Lord | liable you still need to be able to access the lvm utilities to mount the root fs, that's the problem |
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| 13:05.28 | Knight_Lord | IMHO root lvm is not worth the hassle |
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| 13:05.45 | rainabba_ | Still trying to get Xen up. Getting "Link veth0 is missing". I've installed bridge-utils and have iproute. Where do I go from here to get veth0? |
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| 13:06.58 | pattm | also http://rafb.net/p/tybzxh55.html is my firewall script |
| 13:07.42 | qudama | how can i install tar.gz file in a distro based on debian? |
| 13:07.51 | wols | !checkinstall |
| 13:07.51 | dpkg | i heard checkinstall is a program that keeps track of all files installed by a "make install" or equivalent, creates a Slackware, RPM, or Debian package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ |
| 13:08.05 | liable | depends whats in the tar |
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| 13:08.14 | wols | but its very rare something isn't in debian. maybe not the exact version, but that's what backports are for |
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| 13:08.55 | qudama | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.55 | dpkg | any time, qudama |
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| 13:11.25 | MadDwarf | sigh ... no luck so far ... links installed, but irss does not exist (apt-get fails). still no screens 8o( have run dpkg-reconfigure, checked lspci for my BusID, |
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| 13:11.45 | MadDwarf | i also removed my KVM, just in case |
| 13:12.35 | MadDwarf | any ideas what i should try next? |
| 13:13.00 | wols | MadDwarf: apt-cache search irssi |
| 13:13.05 | wols | it will find a package |
| 13:13.26 | wols | and BusID is irrelevant on a single videocard PC setup |
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| 13:13.59 | MadDwarf | ok thnx, will try apt-cace search. |
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| 13:14.22 | MadDwarf | but irssi is not my main problem ... "No screens found" is the sticking point |
| 13:14.33 | HostilePenguin | resolution or refresh |
| 13:14.38 | HostilePenguin | i bet |
| 13:14.41 | liable | !no screens found |
| 13:14.41 | dpkg | it has been said that screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for X.org) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
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| 13:14.56 | MadDwarf | "no device found" |
| 13:15.03 | cusco | what does the /var/log/Xorg*log says? |
| 13:15.19 | liable | then you prolly put the wrong pci bus in, reconfig and leave blank |
| 13:15.21 | cusco | grep "(EE)" /var/log/Xorg*log |
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| 13:15.32 | MadDwarf | liable - i hav tried with blank |
| 13:15.37 | wols | MadDwarf: what monitor do you have and what screen refresh? |
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| 13:15.38 | MadDwarf | xf86 |
| 13:15.55 | MadDwarf | Elonex v700: V30-70, H 50-160 |
| 13:16.00 | cusco | I supose there is a log.. and in the log there are some error mensages of xf86 |
| 13:16.00 | liable | MadDwarf: this isnt ppc is it? |
| 13:16.11 | wols | MadDwarf: can you paste your X log? |
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| 13:16.28 | MadDwarf | this is a intel 3GHz on Asus board with GForce6600 |
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| 13:16.49 | MadDwarf | i cannot paste right now - no way of moving log from debian hdd to this one |
| 13:16.56 | liable | paste the EE line to #flood |
| 13:19.00 | MadDwarf | i beleive it says "No deveice detected" ...... "no screens found" |
| 13:19.00 | tvynr | Anyone know how to use Debian tools to create an initramfs image for a kernel which isn't currently installed? I'm cross-compiling a custom kernel and want to create an initramfs image for that system on my build machine. |
| 13:19.00 | liable | MadDwarf: start irssi on the box and paste in #flood |
| 13:19.00 | xinming | Knight_Lord: In fact, I know, But did you ever think of people installing 3 linux distribution? |
| 13:19.01 | MadDwarf | i am installing debian on a diff. hdd, and need to reboot and swap em ... would like to do that as little as possible |
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| 13:19.03 | HostilePenguin | what screen resolutions did you choose? |
| 13:19.04 | xinming | Knight_Lord: Remember number is much harder than memorizing name. :-) |
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| 13:19.04 | MadDwarf | 1280x1024, i think, but also tried 1024x768 |
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| 13:19.05 | liable | without seeing thew actuall errors and your conf, its all a silly guessing game |
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| 13:19.26 | MadDwarf | ok, shall try to get irssi installed - any options for if apt-cache search fails? |
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| 13:19.35 | MadDwarf | and what do i do when apt-cahce finds something? |
| 13:19.52 | liable | MadDwarf: is this box etch? |
| 13:19.58 | liable | sarge i guess |
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| 13:20.02 | liable | if its xfree86 |
| 13:20.08 | MadDwarf | this is debian-stable netinstall with xf86 |
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| 13:20.19 | liable | apt-get install irssi-text |
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| 13:20.37 | MadDwarf | where can i find these apt-get names? |
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| 13:21.03 | HostilePenguin | aptitude |
| 13:21.06 | MythrilSword | MadDwarf : type aptitude |
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| 13:21.22 | MadDwarf | brb |
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| 13:24.38 | MadDwarf | ok, hopefully brb from debian box .... |
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| 13:25.11 | Bracki | bzed|afk: hm, no ive got etch. but still no hermes/orinoco support for wpa_supplicant. |
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| 13:25.45 | liable | eh? |
| 13:25.56 | liable | Bracki: have you read the docs? |
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| 13:26.36 | dustybin | ive just updated debian etch and now one of my hard drive partitions mounts to the desktop :) |
| 13:26.53 | h3sp4wn | Bracki: tried Wext ? most use that these days |
| 13:26.53 | dustybin | i spent ages figuring out why that wasnt working before! |
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| 13:28.50 | liable | !info wpa-supplicant etch |
| 13:28.56 | liable | !info wpa-supplicant sid |
| 13:29.17 | liable | bleh |
| 13:29.29 | liable | !info wpasupplicant sid |
| 13:29.37 | dpkg | wpasupplicant: (Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.5.5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 252 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
| 13:31.04 | liable | !info wpasupplicant etch |
| 13:31.04 | dpkg | wpasupplicant: (Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.5.5-2 (etch), Packaged size: 251 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
| 13:31.04 | Bracki | ah i see there'Ve been some reconfigurations from the previous package... |
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| 13:31.07 | liable | the etch version can do some nifty stuff for roaming |
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| 13:31.14 | aoupi | ehrm.... anyone knows how to undelete files on ext3? |
| 13:31.22 | wols | !undelete |
| 13:31.22 | dpkg | hmm... undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
| 13:31.35 | wols | aoupi: meaning: not possiblke |
| 13:31.47 | aoupi | :( |
| 13:31.49 | silya | Hi all! With what tool I can look for active squid connections? (Like squidstat for w1nd0ws) |
| 13:31.59 | liable | except with huge amounts of money |
| 13:32.42 | aoupi | I'll just tell the police I have childporn or something but I deleted it, then they'll recover my files :D |
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| 13:33.57 | MadDwarf | ok, got irssi working. |
| 13:34.56 | MadDwarf | still no screens. erro line from /var/log/XFree86.0.log: (EE) No device detected |
| 13:35.15 | Knight_Lord | How can I as root force the X server to allow connections? |
| 13:35.28 | Knight_Lord | A running X server |
| 13:35.38 | Knight_Lord | xhost + gives me connection refused |
| 13:35.45 | liable | MadDwarf: paste your device section to #flood |
| 13:35.47 | streuner | MadDwarf: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 13:35.55 | MadDwarf | one moment |
| 13:35.58 | Noboru | anyone is from japan ? |
| 13:36.02 | streuner | why? |
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| 13:37.00 | MadDwarf | grrr ... how to paste from one screen to another? |
| 13:37.10 | bzed|afk | !anyone |
| 13:37.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:37.21 | liable | MadDwarf: apt-get install gpm |
| 13:37.22 | MadDwarf | i ran lspci, got a message - any way of copy/paste? |
| 13:37.30 | dustybin | there are lots of ways of autostarting commands at boot, would anyone know the ideal place to start a vnc server, x11vnc at boot? |
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| 13:37.42 | liable | MadDwarf: left click, copy, middle click will paste |
| 13:37.42 | HostilePenguin | http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/57814/Why_Linux_Will_Not_Displace_Windows |
| 13:37.48 | wols | dustybin: rc2/S99 |
| 13:37.53 | HostilePenguin | cant even believe it |
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| 13:38.06 | HostilePenguin | we are doomed |
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| 13:38.34 | liable | rc.local in >= etch |
| 13:38.35 | k31th | guys how do i do export type ignore with MySQL // As on the other host the table will already exist but I wish to replace it with the data I am going to import. |
| 13:39.14 | dustybin | ok thanks :) |
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| 13:40.05 | Bracki | So where did /etc/wpa_supplicant.cfg go in etch? |
| 13:40.12 | h3sp4wn | Bracki: Don't need it |
| 13:40.26 | h3sp4wn | Bracki: zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 13:40.29 | MadDwarf | mouse refuses to do as its told: msg from lspci: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatable controller: nVidia corporation: unknown device 00f2 |
| 13:40.31 | liable | Bracki: you need to make it |
| 13:40.48 | h3sp4wn | Bracki: Its integrated into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:40.57 | wols | MadDwarf: update-pciids |
| 13:41.09 | liable | Bracki: read the docs, theres a shitload of examples |
| 13:41.14 | MadDwarf | wols: what does that do? |
| 13:41.25 | streuner | MadDwarf: updates the pciides? |
| 13:41.26 | liable | updates pci-ids?? |
| 13:41.34 | MadDwarf | what does that do? |
| 13:41.34 | wols | removes "unknown device 00f2" |
| 13:41.53 | liable | MadDwarf: should fix the unkown device bit |
| 13:41.55 | MadDwarf | ok, and how do i do it? |
| 13:41.57 | streuner | MadDwarf: well, every device has its own IDS, so you can identify it... |
| 13:42.14 | wols | MadDwarf: oyu have a GF6600 |
| 13:42.29 | wols | and if you run sarge, the nv driver probably doesn't know about it |
| 13:42.45 | streuner | MadDwarf: xfree86? |
| 13:42.45 | MadDwarf | i have a 6600, and update-pciids just IDed it. |
| 13:42.49 | MadDwarf | yes, xf86 |
| 13:42.50 | liable | vesa wont work? |
| 13:42.50 | streuner | ok |
| 13:43.20 | MadDwarf | i am runnign debian-stable, from a net-install |
| 13:43.27 | liable | !drxx MadDwarf |
| 13:43.28 | dpkg | MadDwarf: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:43.29 | wols | vesa will work |
| 13:43.35 | wols | but vesa is a crime |
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| 13:43.40 | liable | MadDwarf: chose vesa as your vidio driver |
| 13:43.47 | MadDwarf | will vesa run with decent 3d graphics? |
| 13:43.51 | wols | MadDwarf: no |
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| 13:43.54 | liable | shit no |
| 13:43.56 | wols | not even 2D acceleration |
| 13:43.59 | MadDwarf | or do i use it as a stop-gap? |
| 13:44.09 | liable | it will get x working |
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| 13:45.14 | Bracki | liable: ok, configured but still no hermes support. although it says so on the manpage... ;( |
| 13:45.19 | streuner | MadDwarf: just use nvidia-glx then |
| 13:45.29 | Bracki | just added wpa-driver hermes. |
| 13:45.38 | streuner | MadDwarf: in order to use 3D you'll need nvidia-glx |
| 13:45.44 | Bracki | and wext isnt working |
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| 13:45.54 | wols | streuner: the nvidia driver in sarge knows ab out 6600? |
| 13:46.16 | MadDwarf | ok, changed driver to vesa - now gettign keyboard (non-fatal) erros... |
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| 13:46.29 | streuner | wols: i don't even know if 6600 is supported or not, just let me look at the docs... |
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| 13:46.50 | liable | Bracki: read the readme, it mentions that you have to copy the hermes.c over, google it |
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| 13:47.12 | streuner | wols: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=58240 |
| 13:47.58 | liable | MadDwarf: is this a desktop box? why not use etch? |
| 13:48.27 | MadDwarf | will etch work? |
| 13:48.32 | streuner | well, nvidia-glx supports 6600 |
| 13:48.33 | liable | yes |
| 13:48.42 | MadDwarf | i tried Ubuntu, with the same errors |
| 13:48.54 | wols | streuner: what version of nvidia-glx? |
| 13:49.02 | streuner | GeForce 6600 0x00F2 |
| 13:49.17 | streuner | knusper:/tmp# grep -i 6600 README.txt |
| 13:49.23 | wols | ah |
| 13:49.32 | streuner | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 13:49.44 | streuner | that's the version out of unstable |
| 13:50.16 | liable | so how does that help for sarge boxen? |
| 13:50.33 | MadDwarf | looks like your saying stable does not support my 6600? |
| 13:50.36 | Crypticfortune_ | Noboru: i'm from japan. why? |
| 13:50.44 | wols | MadDwarf: it does support it |
| 13:50.47 | h3sp4wn | MadDwarf: There is a newer version in backports.org (or use etch) |
| 13:50.55 | wols | oops. or maybe not |
| 13:51.16 | streuner | if he want 3D support he needs nvidia-glx anyway |
| 13:51.28 | MadDwarf | i will need 3d - its the whole point of the box |
| 13:51.42 | wols | MadDwarf: since it's a desktop: go etch |
| 13:51.47 | wols | and use nvidia drivers |
| 13:51.53 | Noboru | Crypticfortune_, nippon ni wa sunde imashita ka |
| 13:52.03 | wols | !jp |
| 13:52.03 | dpkg | from memory, jp is Japan |
| 13:52.09 | wols | :( |
| 13:52.17 | Crypticfortune_ | right you are dpkg ;) |
| 13:52.32 | Crypticfortune_ | Noboru: hai soudesukedo, kokodeha hanasanai hou ga ii. eigo no channel desukara |
| 13:52.42 | MadDwarf | where do i get "etch" ? I cannot see a reference to name on debian.org |
| 13:52.49 | Noboru | sorry |
| 13:52.50 | liable | Noboru: this isnt a japanese chat room. take it /query if you must |
| 13:52.50 | wols | !tell MadDwarf about d-i |
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| 13:52.57 | Bracki | liable: how can i see which config was used for building the deb? |
| 13:53.01 | potolo | MadDwarf: etch = testing (currently) |
| 13:53.03 | wols | MadDwarf: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:53.06 | wols | or simply upgrade to etch |
| 13:53.14 | wols | !tell MadDwarf about sarge->etch |
| 13:53.16 | MadDwarf | i can't see tells. |
| 13:53.33 | wols | you can |
| 13:53.34 | liable | Bracki: you need to get the deb-src unfortunately |
| 13:53.41 | MadDwarf | "simply" upgrade to etch????????? |
| 13:53.42 | wols | there is a red number in your irssi |
| 13:53.59 | Crypticfortune_ | liable: i just said that in japanese. though i dont know what /query is (all i said was this is an english chat room, so we shouldnt speak japanese) |
| 13:54.07 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.16 | wols | Crypticfortune_: query = msg |
| 13:54.19 | enouf | liable: ever see all the kcontrol center applets go p00f? :-) |
| 13:54.21 | Crypticfortune_ | wols: ah. |
| 13:54.47 | liable | Crypticfortune_: i wasnt talking to you :) /query is private msg basically |
| 13:55.01 | MadDwarf | ok thnx, got tells now |
| 13:55.20 | liable | enouf: erm, no? |
| 13:55.30 | Noboru | Crypticfortune_, did you get my private message ? |
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| 13:55.42 | Crypticfortune_ | Noboru: no |
| 13:55.53 | Noboru | weird,i did do it just now |
| 13:55.59 | liable | you need to registered on freenode |
| 13:56.04 | wols | Noboru: to send messages on freenode you need to be registered with services |
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| 13:56.12 | liable | just open your own channel |
| 13:56.13 | Noboru | I see |
| 13:56.25 | Noboru | okay |
| 13:56.39 | Crypticfortune_ | noboru lets make #debian-jp |
| 13:56.43 | bismark | some can help me? ->configure.ac:23: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE |
| 13:56.45 | bismark | ? |
| 13:56.46 | Noboru | okay |
| 13:56.49 | wols | good choice |
| 13:57.00 | capiira | hmm hi all does exist enything else then fstab because debian is double mounting a drive? |
| 13:57.00 | wols | bismark: intall automake |
| 13:57.04 | *** part/#debian potolo (n=potolo@AC8DCCE4.ipt.aol.com) |
| 13:57.04 | wols | and autoconf |
| 13:57.32 | capiira | i already removed pmount a gnome-volume-manager to test and still the same |
| 13:57.42 | capiira | *and |
| 13:57.49 | bismark | wols, im really have install automake and autoconf |
| 13:58.02 | liable | automake1.9? |
| 13:58.39 | bismark | 1:1.10 |
| 13:58.41 | streuner | MadDwarf: no, that's not enough |
| 13:58.47 | Bracki | !deb-src |
| 13:58.47 | dpkg | from memory, deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' |
| 13:58.47 | enouf | liable: if you use kde , and it ever happens .. they're in the kmenu > lost+found (submenu) .. and from there, you can find out how to access the settings from xterm/konsole .. stuff like ksmshell kcmsmserver |
| 13:59.00 | Bracki | !apt-get source |
| 13:59.01 | streuner | MadDwarf: you need nvidia-glx, how many times we need to mention that? |
| 13:59.21 | Bracki | where do i find a good/quick deb package from source howto? |
| 13:59.36 | MadDwarf | yes, i know i need nvidia-glx. how do i install it |
| 13:59.45 | capiira | so does exist anything else that could cause a double mount ? |
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| 14:00.05 | streuner | MadDwarf: apt-get install nvidia-glx and read the docs (/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx) |
| 14:00.24 | bismark | liable ,automake1.10 |
| 14:00.39 | streuner | MadDwarf: you'll also need the kernel module for nvida, check out /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 14:00.44 | MadDwarf | nvidia-glx is not available |
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| 14:00.54 | streuner | MadDwarf: non-free... |
| 14:00.59 | streuner | !non-free |
| 14:00.59 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 14:01.05 | liable | bismark: hrm, must have been a recent upgrade |
| 14:01.45 | VImtermute | greets |
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| 14:02.12 | xinming | May I ask How does the author generating initrd when there is a kernel release? |
| 14:02.19 | liable | enouf: ok. i will try and store that in my alcohol soaled brain somewhere |
| 14:02.20 | xinming | which can support lvm on root partition |
| 14:02.53 | liable | soaked* |
| 14:03.08 | wols | xinming: man make-kpkg |
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| 14:03.11 | kryl | hi |
| 14:03.29 | wols | MadDwarf: you need contrib too for nivida |
| 14:03.30 | MadDwarf | added contrib non-free to end of all sources lines - nvidia-glx still not available |
| 14:03.44 | wols | MadDwarf: have you run apt-get update? |
| 14:03.57 | capiira | does exist a cache or something for fstab ? |
| 14:04.01 | kryl | My HD (sata) freeze when I try to use it with some errors like : SCSI device sda: write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA (http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=730921 < like this link but it's not my link) |
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| 14:04.07 | xinming | wols: yes, I've done this, But I still can't generate a kernel used for booting the lvm on root |
| 14:04.13 | MadDwarf | i have run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade after switching all my sources to etch |
| 14:04.23 | enouf | liable: i here ya .. i told #debian-kde about it afetr finding bugs on the web and no resolution really .. the error that comes up (and the one i googled) if you run kcontrol from terminal is "kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ |
| 14:04.23 | enouf | " |
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| 14:04.34 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: aptitude update then |
| 14:05.16 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: you need to do that if you've changed your sources list OR if there're new packages avaiable you'd like to install/upgrade to |
| 14:05.32 | streuner | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia-glx&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 14:05.37 | sineer | Hi! Anyone knows where /tmp get set to 755 ? I need it set to 777 @ boot... I could probably add a chmod 777 /tmp in start: in /etc/init.d/bootclean but I'd rather know the 'clean debian way' of setting /tmp to 777 at boot. |
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| 14:05.51 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: also make sure you've installed the kernel module, you can't install nvidia-glx ithout the kernel module beeing installed |
| 14:05.55 | xand | sineer: why would it be changed? |
| 14:06.00 | xand | sineer: chmod 777 it |
| 14:06.06 | streuner | sineer: meesing with /tmp isn't helpful... |
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| 14:06.18 | streuner | sineer: prolly debian boot at all then |
| 14:06.21 | MadDwarf | nvidia-glx depends on X11-common, but is not going to be installed: E = Broken packages |
| 14:06.28 | bzed|afk | sineer: you want to chmod 1777 it |
| 14:06.40 | liable | temp should be 1777 |
| 14:06.41 | silya | howto bit this problem in squid: Invalid Request? |
| 14:06.41 | sineer | well.. I'm starting a daemon process as a user and this daemon (mysql) expect to write some files in /tmp... |
| 14:06.46 | MadDwarf | install the kernel module??? wht is this? |
| 14:06.52 | sineer | bzed|afk, 1777 ah.. I'll man that.. thanks |
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| 14:07.05 | xand | silya: English please |
| 14:07.08 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: did you really use aptitude upgrade after editing your sources.list? |
| 14:07.15 | streuner | sineer: don't extract weired tgz files as root.. |
| 14:07.18 | liable | sineer: if you untar shit in /tmp it can wreak havoc with the perms |
| 14:07.45 | Crypticfortune_ | hmmm, im trying to unmount /home but something is still using it apparently. how can i check what process is still using /home? |
| 14:07.50 | streuner | MadDwarf: simply upgrade to etch now and fix the X system |
| 14:07.58 | kryl | http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/3/4/178 |
| 14:08.00 | sineer | liable, why? |
| 14:08.02 | bzed|afk | Crypticfortune_: use lsof /dev/deviceofyourhome |
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| 14:08.41 | streuner | sineer: because some packages just 'alter' the permissions in /tmp as root |
| 14:08.43 | sineer | streuner, why? what's the diff between 755 and 777 beside the fact that anyone can modify the files and more importanttly create files in /tmp |
| 14:08.59 | MadDwarf | yes, i did aptitude upgrade |
| 14:09.03 | bzed|afk | sineer: you've answered your question in the same sentence |
| 14:09.04 | sineer | streuner, at boot in some init.d script?? system wide?? Wouldn't that be retarted? |
| 14:09.10 | liable | Crypticfortune_: log your user out from home |
| 14:09.13 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: did you do an update before the upgrade? |
| 14:09.25 | MadDwarf | no i didn't |
| 14:09.33 | sineer | bzed|afk, ok.. well I just wanted to back my assertion.. thanks.. |
| 14:09.34 | limpio | hi all, i'm using Sid because Etch do not have some apps i like (artwiz-fonts) every morning i do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, some pals of mine say that i should use apt-get upgrade instead of dist-upgrade, i told them dist-upgrade is better because it smooth some dependencies problems that might arise. Am i wrong? |
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| 14:09.50 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: MadDwarf> i have run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade after switching all my sources to etch |
| 14:09.55 | bzed|afk | :| |
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| 14:10.17 | HostilePenguin | its borked |
| 14:10.18 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: so run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade again |
| 14:10.21 | streuner | limpio: as simple 'sid backport' would be enough, now its prolly too late |
| 14:10.25 | sineer | but now I'm confused because we have some debian system here that boto with /tmp set to 777 and some others to 755. and streuner says some pkg modify /tmp permission permamently ? |
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| 14:10.46 | Crypticfortune_ | bzed|afk: thanks |
| 14:10.47 | HostilePenguin | its over i bet your typing expert26 again today |
| 14:10.48 | bzed|afk | sineer: not packages as in .debs, but dumg tar.gz files |
| 14:10.49 | streuner | sineer: packages like tgz, gz |
| 14:10.51 | wols | sineer: /tmp should always be 777 |
| 14:10.56 | wols | everyond needs to write to it |
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| 14:11.03 | bzed|afk | 1777 |
| 14:11.16 | Crypticfortune_ | liable: there was some user logged in on home not on my terminal. had to find the pid to kill it remotely |
| 14:11.16 | bzed|afk | 777 allows other people to delete your stuff |
| 14:11.19 | sineer | ok good.. I'm not crazy :) |
| 14:11.20 | xinming | hahahaha. make-kpkg works. thanks. |
| 14:11.29 | MadDwarf | ok, have run aptitude upgrade &&aptitude dist-upgrade again |
| 14:11.33 | xinming | I'll reboot the system. bbl |
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| 14:11.39 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: what did it do? |
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| 14:11.55 | limpio | streuner, thx. But now that i'm using sid, i like it, no problems so far. |
| 14:11.59 | wols | misfitx7: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:12.08 | streuner | bzed|afk: /nick bzed - you aren't away, are you? ;-) |
| 14:12.12 | wols | limpio: sid breaks, sooner or later. you have been warned |
| 14:12.16 | sineer | ok.. so running a chmod 1777 should set my /tmp to sticky 777 and as long as I don't run some wierdo .tgz install proggy (that would run another sticky bit chmod on /tmp?) /tmp permissions shoudl be fine. |
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| 14:12.29 | limpio | wols, i'll keep that in mind. |
| 14:12.32 | MadDwarf | it rolled pages of text, ending with a couple of errors about xlibmesa-gl depends on xfree86-common bit its not installeable |
| 14:12.43 | bzed|afk | streuner: i should not be here :P |
| 14:12.48 | streuner | haha |
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| 14:12.56 | HostilePenguin | i had to take sid off one pc cause my girlfriend had to use it |
| 14:12.59 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: why did't you tell us about that? |
| 14:13.05 | MadDwarf | i just did |
| 14:13.28 | bzed|afk | !tell MadDwarf about esp |
| 14:13.31 | wols | MadDwarf: paste the exact output |
| 14:13.55 | MadDwarf | i cannot paste. mouse not working |
| 14:13.55 | limpio | anybody for the apt-get upgrade vs apt-get dist-upgrade question? |
| 14:14.04 | bzed|afk | MadDwarf: apt-get install gpm |
| 14:14.16 | streuner | limpio: just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 14:14.18 | bzed|afk | !tell limpio about anybody |
| 14:14.24 | streuner | !ask |
| 14:14.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:14.32 | liable | he did... |
| 14:15.00 | streuner | well, the question doesn't sound so |
| 14:15.08 | liable | scroll up |
| 14:15.14 | cydork | limpio: man apt-get, read the part about the upgrade and dist-upgrade :P |
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| 14:15.26 | streuner | liable: don't make me shoot you :-) |
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| 14:15.35 | salicyl | hello |
| 14:15.51 | salicyl | is this an english or german speaking chat? |
| 14:15.55 | streuner | english |
| 14:15.59 | wols | !de |
| 14:16.00 | salicyl | hm, ok |
| 14:16.00 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 14:16.06 | salicyl | thx |
| 14:16.17 | liable | streuner: dont make me lart you! :P |
| 14:16.31 | MadDwarf | running apt-get install gpm gave me a set-up for my language, and then told me that is is trying to remove my kernal, a potentially disaterous action |
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| 14:16.50 | liable | hah |
| 14:16.53 | liable | nasty |
| 14:16.54 | HostilePenguin | here comes the expert26 part |
| 14:17.17 | liable | MadDwarf: you are in limbo now, you need to upgrade to etch |
| 14:17.22 | MadDwarf | i cancelled it, at which point the set-up exited with errors |
| 14:17.31 | MadDwarf | i thougth i had upgraded to etch? |
| 14:17.31 | wols | MadDwarf: http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 14:17.42 | wols | there you can upload files. not need to cut+paste |
| 14:17.59 | wols | MadDwarf: no you didn*t since there were this pesky errors? |
| 14:18.06 | wols | do you know what errors are? |
| 14:18.19 | HostilePenguin | thats what im saying |
| 14:18.25 | Nighteye | tell me |
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| 14:19.47 | MadDwarf | ok, time to stop pissing about with this. If i go back to my working box, download Etch (testing?) from debian.org and install, it should be a lot easier? |
| 14:20.04 | HostilePenguin | nope |
| 14:20.19 | liable | MadDwarf: yes |
| 14:20.56 | sineer | I tried to permanently fix my /tmp permissions by doing chmod 1777 /tmp as root and rebooted but the perms still get reset to 755 :( Probably cause some init.d script chmod it ? |
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| 14:21.12 | sclebo05 | fstab entry maybe |
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| 14:21.29 | MadDwarf | any suggestions b4 i go get etch? |
| 14:21.37 | xand | "before" |
| 14:21.40 | HostilePenguin | nope |
| 14:21.49 | HostilePenguin | no b4 |
| 14:21.58 | xand | don't be insolent |
| 14:22.11 | cydork | !b4 |
| 14:22.11 | dpkg | from memory, b4 is try "before", dude. B4 I17 N34 G58 O69 .... BINGO! |
| 14:22.14 | MadDwarf | Does anyone have any useful suggestions for me, before I download Debian Testing? |
| 14:22.40 | sineer | MadDwarf, RTFM |
| 14:23.24 | streuner | MadDwarf: ig (install-guide) would be helpful to read |
| 14:23.29 | streuner | !ig |
| 14:23.29 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4). |
| 14:23.40 | streuner | MadDwarf: second URL |
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| 14:25.02 | MadDwarf | thnx streuner. |
| 14:25.09 | streuner | np |
| 14:26.03 | MadDwarf | thanx all, will try a clean etch install |
| 14:26.03 | Bejo | does anyone know, the minimum hardware requirement for full install debian 3.1r5 ? |
| 14:26.03 | tonip | 386? |
| 14:26.31 | Bejo | what about with the RAM? |
| 14:26.35 | streuner | Bejo: on x86 - it depends if you want use X too... |
| 14:26.48 | cydork | Bejo: how much ram do you have? |
| 14:27.10 | kalve | how can I be able to open a windows media video stream on linux? |
| 14:27.19 | Bejo | pentium II 350 Mhz, 128 Mhz RAM |
| 14:27.21 | wols | Bejo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
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| 14:27.32 | cydork | Bejo: then you should be fine! :) |
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| 14:27.52 | wols | Bejo: but don't run gnome or kde. otherwise it's fine (I run sid on a P2 300 128MB) |
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| 14:28.21 | Bejo | wols: ok, Thnx 4 ur info |
| 14:28.30 | enouf | dpkg no, ig is I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ (for all ARCHs, and in various formats for Etch/Testing) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1 ... 3.1r5). |
| 14:28.30 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 14:28.56 | eleftherios | I'm running Debian Etch, I just got a 22" monitor and I am unable to get x.org to go to 1680x1050. I have an Intel Q963 chipset with the GMA X3000 integrated card which as far as I know is supported with open source drivers...Any pointers please? |
| 14:28.58 | enouf | just cleaning it up a bit folks .. i was the one whom made it confusing in the 1st place |
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| 14:29.20 | wols | in a month you can clean it up again :) |
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| 14:29.51 | streuner | hm |
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| 14:30.17 | enouf | wols: danke .. now . can you review the 2006 key factoid and tell me if you think it should be altered to reflect the 2007 key? .. since AFAICT, the 2006 key expired sometime in February |
| 14:30.36 | insulina | hello, i am trying to install a printer in debian , but i am having some troubles , i am using cups, i think cups server is running at least i try to start it with cupsys script |
| 14:30.48 | insulina | but i cant acess the cups adim page |
| 14:31.00 | insulina | can anyone help me ? |
| 14:31.10 | wols | can you connect to localhost:631 ? |
| 14:31.33 | eleftherios | insulina, apt-get install cupsys and then go to http://localhost:631 |
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| 14:31.57 | streuner | insulina: did you install everything for CUPS? |
| 14:32.02 | enouf | insulina: using kde? (try kcontrol) or gnome? (try gnome-control-center) and mess with the printing and networking settings |
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| 14:32.37 | insulina | eleftherios: no , i cant , timeout |
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| 14:32.51 | eleftherios | insulina, :-/ |
| 14:33.04 | insulina | streuner: i install cupsys , cupsys-bsd and cupsys-client |
| 14:33.14 | eleftherios | insulina, try /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 14:33.18 | streuner | insulina: what kind of printer do you have? |
| 14:33.19 | insulina | enouf: i am using xfce4 |
| 14:33.48 | insulina | streuner: i have a very old epson lq-1070 |
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| 14:34.08 | enouf | parallel port insulina ? |
| 14:34.31 | wols | yes LQ is a dot matrix printer. 24 pins :) |
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| 14:34.40 | insulina | enouf: yes |
| 14:34.43 | enouf | wow .. that is old :-P |
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| 14:35.13 | wols | enouf: they suck. but needed for invoices |
| 14:35.24 | capiira | so no fstab & co professionals here :)? |
| 14:35.26 | wols | which means $$$ when you buy them. 200EUR the cheapest |
| 14:35.32 | enouf | wols: but they're cheap ;-) |
| 14:35.37 | insulina | i have another printer , hp deskject 820 , but first i want to put this working |
| 14:35.46 | wols | enouf: 200USD for a basic printer is cheap? |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | capiira: ivman ? |
| 14:36.01 | abrotman | check with fuser/lsof |
| 14:36.19 | capiira | my gnome is showing a doubled mounted drive |
| 14:36.23 | insulina | eleftherios: try to restart the server , same thing ... time out |
| 14:36.47 | wols | insulina: any output when you tried to start it? |
| 14:37.00 | eleftherios | insulina, hm |
| 14:37.01 | wols | insulina: nestat -anp |grep 631 |
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| 14:37.19 | enouf | wols: I meant "to operate" ... if you get an older tank .. it'll last a long time ;-) .. and yeah 200 is about what you'd spend in a year for any inkjet + ink .. unless you like syringes :-P |
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| 14:37.56 | enouf | .. or my fav mod .. hold a sec |
| 14:38.02 | wols | considering those printers sold for half, it's damn expensive |
| 14:38.13 | streuner | insulina: check this out for your HP printer http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/index.html |
| 14:39.14 | insulina | wols: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3 |
| 14:39.26 | insulina | wols: 667/cupsd |
| 14:39.29 | enouf | wols: http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/iforone/PrinterModWideView.jpg haha |
| 14:39.40 | wols | insulina: so it's running but can't connect. do you have a firewall or such? |
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| 14:39.41 | insulina | wols: same for udp |
| 14:39.59 | enouf | http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/iforone/PrinterModCLOSEUP.jpg and dat too :-P |
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| 14:40.20 | insulina | wols: nop , but i am acessing internet from other computer ... i have setup a gateway on my debian |
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| 14:41.05 | wols | insulina: how? what did you use to make it a NAT router? |
| 14:41.05 | insulina | wols: but since i am acessing localhost , that doenst matter right ? |
| 14:41.17 | wols | depends how you configure it |
| 14:41.21 | capiira | abrotman: according to mount its mounted once but gnome is double showing the drive on the desktop |
| 14:41.34 | abrotman | capiira: it's a hotplug device ? |
| 14:41.43 | abrotman | like a usb drive ? |
| 14:42.05 | capiira | and instance is showing 76,3 GB volume and one is showing the mount folder name |
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| 14:42.20 | capiira | nah its a hdb on internal IDE port |
| 14:42.31 | enouf | capiira: one is actually an unmounted icon probably that remains whether it['s mounted or not |
| 14:42.40 | capiira | nah it working |
| 14:42.41 | capiira | hehe |
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| 14:43.10 | capiira | i even uninstalled pmount and gnome-volume-manager to test but its still there working |
| 14:43.21 | capiira | what else could cause this ? |
| 14:43.25 | insulina | wols: on my gentoo (interet box) i use iptables , in debian i just set interface eth0 to use gateway my gentoo ip and resolv.conf with a router ip i think |
| 14:43.49 | capiira | i know nothing else that automount a drive |
| 14:43.59 | abrotman | ivman does |
| 14:44.03 | abrotman | or can |
| 14:44.09 | Bracki | ah great i just wanted to recompile the bl00dy wpa stuff and now i have to install libqt4-dev for some gui i wont use anyway... |
| 14:44.15 | capiira | let me see if its installed |
| 14:44.17 | eleftherios | I'm running Debian Etch, I just got a 22" monitor and I am unable to get x.org to go to 1680x1050. I have an Intel Q963 chipset with the GMA X3000 integrated card which as far as I know is supported with open source drivers...Any pointers please? |
| 14:44.34 | capiira | no its not installed |
| 14:44.38 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 14:44.38 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 14:44.48 | capiira | at least ivman in the rootsheel does nothing |
| 14:44.51 | capiira | ll |
| 14:45.14 | capiira | does mount have a cache file or something like that ? |
| 14:45.15 | enouf | capiira: i know with kde .. i can set those "viewable" icons however one likes, but if that isn't the issue, see waht cat /proc/mounts has to say about it .. it's possible to mount a device/partition in more than one mount point |
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| 14:45.43 | enouf | capiira: it reads /etc/mtab .. don't mess with that though :-P |
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| 14:46.09 | capiira | yeah i already noticed that file but its kinda auto generated |
| 14:46.15 | capiira | the mtab one |
| 14:46.37 | enouf | did you ever do a umount using the -l option lately? |
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| 14:47.20 | capiira | nah never |
| 14:47.22 | mschiff | does anybody know which tool is used to produce proper Packages index files (apt repo) for the original debain repo? |
| 14:47.26 | enouf | capiira: i mean just right-click your stupid desktop icons and see where the mpount points are :-P .. if they don't tell you that, there's no need for them anyway |
| 14:47.29 | capiira | its a fresh netinstall |
| 14:47.34 | Bejo | wols: can i run KDE if I use 256 RAM |
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| 14:48.06 | enouf | Bejo: sure .. may be a bit sluggish .. but yeah |
| 14:48.25 | wols | Bejo: barely |
| 14:48.36 | Bracki | Bejo: dont even try. |
| 14:48.37 | Bejo | thnx |
| 14:48.40 | wols | you can run it in 128MB too. if you like to wait a lot |
| 14:48.42 | enouf | Bejo: especially if you start opening other HUGE apps like OOo, Javashit, and whatnot |
| 14:48.43 | capiira | they dont tell but i also cant remove them |
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| 14:49.24 | capiira | unmount on them does not work |
| 14:49.25 | capiira | even as root |
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| 14:49.25 | enouf | capiira: you're on your desktop as root? .. oh dear |
| 14:49.41 | hark | samba? |
| 14:49.48 | enouf | capiira: the icons don't tell you ? .. time to toss them :-) |
| 14:49.48 | capiira | nah |
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| 14:50.06 | enouf | capiira: just hide them .. problem gone |
| 14:50.13 | capiira | as user i just started nautilus as root once to see if its there too |
| 14:50.45 | enouf | what happens when you exact the rodent's wrath upon them? |
| 14:51.28 | enouf | ps aux and find any leftover removed apps you've left running .. hehe |
| 14:52.14 | capiira | its a fresh install thats the crazy thing |
| 14:52.38 | enouf | logout and log back in .. there's so many ways I could kill that thang ;-P |
| 14:52.50 | enouf | kill -9 that fscker |
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| 14:53.02 | enouf | beat it with a stick |
| 14:53.08 | capiira | lol |
| 14:53.11 | hark | mount shows the drive mounted twice? |
| 14:53.18 | capiira | nah just once |
| 14:53.29 | capiira | but on the desk i have to working icons for it |
| 14:53.48 | hark | oh gnome shit then.. |
| 14:54.33 | capiira | yeah i think so |
| 14:54.39 | enouf | hark: I already explained .. it's the icon setup, where you tell the crap to appear no matter what it's status (mounted or unmounted), but does anyone belive me? .. nah |
| 14:54.43 | capiira | but i even removed the volume manager and pmount |
| 14:55.17 | capiira | and my hda3 does not appear on the desktop |
| 14:55.22 | capiira | crazy |
| 14:55.37 | hark | wait, you don't want the icon on the desktop? |
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| 14:56.04 | capiira | i dont want yeah or just one would be ok |
| 14:56.25 | cr3 | is there a way to install a dpkg with --root without needing to be root? I tried --force-no-root but then it's refusing to install because dpkg is trying to set permissions on the installed files? |
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| 14:56.59 | hark | /apps/nautilus/preferences/desltop/volumes_visible , iirc |
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| 14:57.08 | hark | all of them go! |
| 14:57.20 | capiira | let me see |
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| 14:58.08 | eleftherios | abrotman, no, reconfiguring X didn't do anything. It simply won't go to 1680x1050 with either the i810 or the vesa driver |
| 14:58.22 | abrotman | etch ? |
| 14:58.26 | eleftherios | yes |
| 14:58.30 | abrotman | vesa won't get close .. don't bother with it |
| 14:58.32 | abrotman | !info 915resolution etch |
| 14:58.34 | dpkg | 915resolution: (resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset), section x11, is extra. Version: 0.5.2-9 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
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| 14:58.48 | big_nose | salut tlm |
| 14:58.55 | zamuro | !fr |
| 14:58.55 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:59.20 | abrotman | eleftherios: rty that |
| 14:59.38 | eleftherios | also it also the refresh rate is at 75Hz, how can I drop it to 60Hz which is the monitor recommended? I can't see anything relevant in xorg.conf |
| 14:59.42 | eleftherios | abrotman, I will try that now |
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| 15:01.32 | eleftherios | abrotman, it doesn't see to work (I'm reading the docs). It says 915 chipset, I wonder if that's to be used with Q963/965 chipsets like mine... |
| 15:01.56 | abrotman | it should be |
| 15:02.18 | wols | eleftherios: same thing |
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| 15:02.50 | Web | abrotman are you using sarge ? |
| 15:02.57 | abrotman | in some places |
| 15:03.01 | capiira | hark: nah nothing there |
| 15:03.04 | eleftherios | abrotman, also, 915resolution -l doesn't give me a 1680x1050 mode anyway |
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| 15:03.23 | capiira | let me try in the idlers hell #gnome |
| 15:03.28 | abrotman | eleftherios: i'm not sure then .. maybe ask #xorg |
| 15:03.33 | Web | try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:03.37 | pablo_ | hi, i found a debian-kde cd and a debian-xfce cd, isnt there a debian-gnome cd? |
| 15:03.53 | abrotman | Web: i'm not having an issue |
| 15:03.54 | eleftherios | Web, I am not using xfree86 |
| 15:04.03 | Web | ok |
| 15:04.04 | eleftherios | Web, I am using xorg on etch |
| 15:04.09 | Web | ok |
| 15:04.13 | eleftherios | Web, I'm the one with the issue :-) |
| 15:04.19 | enouf | capiira: hint: gnome-control-center |
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| 15:04.28 | hark | capiira: it's /apps/nautilus/desktop instead for that :) |
| 15:04.31 | Web | confused < sorry |
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| 15:05.08 | Web | try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 15:05.19 | capiira | i do not have /apps |
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| 15:05.33 | capiira | home dir ? |
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| 15:05.36 | hark | gconf-editor or use gconftool-2 |
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| 15:06.13 | pablo_ | hi, i found a debian-kde cd and a debian-xfce cd, isnt there a debian-gnome cd? |
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| 15:07.12 | enouf | eleftherios: do egrep -i 'hor|vert' /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 15:08.05 | hark | pablo_: the plain cd1 |
| 15:08.40 | hark | debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 15:08.43 | angasule | hello, I need to find out if a certain TV tuner (an Encore) works with debian (or linux in general), can someone help me? I've tried searching in databases, etc, but I'm not familiar with them |
| 15:08.54 | wols | !hcl |
| 15:08.54 | dpkg | [hcl] at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 15:09.02 | capiira | ahh yes volume visible [v] |
| 15:09.08 | wols | angasule: find out the chip on that tv tuner. lspci |
| 15:09.17 | capiira | but strange that gnome is doing that |
| 15:09.25 | eleftherios | enouf, these are set by me at VertRefresh 56-75 (as this is the monitor's range according to the manual). But I want to tell it to stick to 60Hz refresh |
| 15:09.32 | hark | it won't show all mounts on the desktop |
| 15:09.32 | angasule | oh, I guess I should add I don't own the card, I'm planning on buying a Tv tuner |
| 15:09.39 | madclicker | how can i list file locks? |
| 15:09.45 | pablo_ | hark: ah ok, so the kde cd and the xfce are for replacement of cd 1? |
| 15:09.53 | hark | yes |
| 15:10.01 | capiira | does kde have such gay issues too ? |
| 15:10.03 | hark | in a way |
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| 15:10.14 | Ronin | pardon capiira ? |
| 15:10.20 | zamuro | LOL |
| 15:10.21 | wols | pablo_: no |
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| 15:10.25 | capiira | heh |
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| 15:10.34 | zamuro | Thought Ubuntu had gay issues |
| 15:10.38 | zamuro | hahahaha |
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| 15:10.51 | wols | !gay |
| 15:10.52 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 15:11.01 | abrotman | capiira: this isn't a gnome/kde issue .. your X is fuxked |
| 15:11.04 | abrotman | fucked |
| 15:11.13 | abrotman | i can't believe i just corrected that .... |
| 15:11.24 | Ronin | ocd today abrotman? |
| 15:11.28 | capiira | my ( )x( ) ;) |
| 15:11.50 | pablo_ | wols: mmm, ok, but cd1 will do the same as debian-kde but with gnome? or i`d better use the netinstall? |
| 15:12.04 | abrotman | pablo_: yes |
| 15:12.07 | capiira | let me try gentle in #gnome |
| 15:12.13 | wols | pablo_: uae the netinstall |
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| 15:12.40 | pablo_ | abrotman: yes to which one of both questions? |
| 15:12.57 | angasule | wols: I'd add that there is nothing wrong with being gay... at least they figured out a way of avoiding women problems ;) |
| 15:13.10 | wols | cd1 will not do the same as the debian-kde cd you seem to have |
| 15:13.13 | Loevborg | I'm being daft; can anyone tell me cvs's eqivalent of "svn revert"? |
| 15:13.16 | abrotman | pablo_: both IMO :) |
| 15:13.32 | enouf | eleftherios: which DE? .. or use drxx, or adjust directly through the Monitors OSD/OSM |
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| 15:14.04 | archville | Hi. |
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| 15:14.30 | pablo_ | abrotman: so if debian cd 1 installs gnome desktop, why do you recommend the netinstall? |
| 15:14.49 | archville | Is there something even smaller than the minimal debian installation (selecting no packages, no desktop, no base...) ? |
| 15:15.04 | wols | pablo_: we always recomend netinstall. no matter what |
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| 15:15.18 | wols | angasule: there are bootfloppies afaik |
| 15:15.20 | Loevborg | archville, no base is maybe not such a good idea, isn't it? |
| 15:15.30 | abrotman | pablo_: 140MB vs 700MB ? |
| 15:15.42 | wols | angasule: but without dpkg and friedns it's not debian isn't it? |
| 15:15.50 | abrotman | Loevborg: negative overload! |
| 15:15.58 | pablo_ | abrotman: yes, it is the same, i will need to download a lot of packages |
| 15:16.01 | abrotman | archville: what would you like to have left ? |
| 15:16.12 | abrotman | pablo_: you'll need to download a lot no matter what |
| 15:16.19 | wols | pablo_: the only reason for full CDs is if you don't have a network connection. if you do, netinstall is always better |
| 15:16.25 | abrotman | and i doubt you'll use all of the stuff on CD1 |
| 15:16.32 | wols | pablo_: and with CDs you will need to download more |
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| 15:16.56 | enouf | might as well grab the DVD :-p |
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| 15:17.07 | eleftherios | ah, no joy |
| 15:17.12 | enouf | eleftherios: which DE? .. or use drxx, or adjust directly through the Monitors OSD/OSM |
| 15:17.13 | archville | abrotman: the minimal bootable debian system |
| 15:17.32 | archville | If it can fit 50 mb the better |
| 15:17.39 | eleftherios | enouf, DE? |
| 15:17.41 | pablo_ | abrotman: so which is the aim of debian-kde |
| 15:17.41 | wols | archville: try a businesscard. it's 32MB |
| 15:17.49 | enouf | desktop env eleftherios |
| 15:18.02 | eleftherios | enouf, Gnome on Etch |
| 15:18.13 | archville | wols, i can't, no cdrom on the system, ¿ can i install with debootstrap ? |
| 15:18.26 | angasule | wols: uh? wrong tab-completion? |
| 15:18.41 | enouf | eleftherios: try gnome-control-center .. i don;t use gnome .. but kde allows for adjustment |
| 15:18.46 | angasule | I really need to find out if this card works before I buy it :( |
| 15:18.58 | angasule | or what TV tuners work on linux/debian |
| 15:19.01 | eleftherios | eniac, Gnome too but the only option it gives me is 75Hz |
| 15:19.03 | pablo_ | wols: so which is the aim of debian-kde? |
| 15:19.13 | enouf | eleftherios: press the damned buttons on your monitor ffs :-P |
| 15:19.20 | eleftherios | enouf, can't I do it explicitly somewhere in xorg.conf? |
| 15:19.27 | Codemaster_ | hi all, how do i get back an older release of mysql or how do i reinstall mysql from scrtch ? |
| 15:19.29 | wols | archville: yes you can afaik |
| 15:19.39 | archville | ok, thanks |
| 15:19.43 | enouf | eleftherios: kill the range .. make it 60-60 instead of 53-75 |
| 15:19.44 | wols | pablo_: it's a CD for shipping kde, that's it |
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| 15:19.57 | eleftherios | enouf, is that safe? |
| 15:20.05 | enouf | eleftherios: hell if i know |
| 15:20.05 | eleftherios | enouf, I guess it is.. |
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| 15:20.09 | eleftherios | enouf, hah |
| 15:20.22 | zerohero | hello |
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| 15:20.42 | zerohero | the weirdest thing just happened, all of a sudden my passwd file has the size 0 |
| 15:20.49 | eleftherios | enouf, I'll try to get the right resolution first and then I sort this out :-) |
| 15:20.58 | enouf | eleftherios: i can't see why not .. but be prepared if it decides to not "appear" and you need to go in and manually edit it back to correct settings |
| 15:21.00 | zerohero | now i can't become root to copy the backup into passwd |
| 15:21.03 | eleftherios | at the moment I'm on 1024x768 on a 22" widescreen |
| 15:21.10 | zerohero | is this solveable without a reinstall? |
| 15:21.30 | enouf | eleftherios: install hwinfo, then run hwinfo --monitor |
| 15:21.35 | wols | zerohero: boot in single user mode |
| 15:21.39 | wols | init=/bin/sh |
| 15:21.59 | enouf | eleftherios: maybe that dump of a mon doesn't do anything higher than 1024x1280 |
| 15:22.10 | wols | enouf: a 22"? |
| 15:22.13 | wols | must be a acer model |
| 15:22.16 | capiira | hmmmm does exist something that saves the status of de/activated devices of /dev ? |
| 15:22.16 | enouf | heh |
| 15:22.20 | bzed|afk | eleftherios: usually X takes the informations it got from your monitor, so I'd just keep it as it is, except that your monitor's handbook states that everything higher than 60HZ is bad |
| 15:22.42 | eleftherios | hm |
| 15:22.50 | zerohero | wols: ok... |
| 15:22.55 | eleftherios | it is a dell 228WFP |
| 15:23.17 | bzed|afk | capiira: care to elaborate? |
| 15:23.58 | capiira | just trying to find why gnome is displaying two volume icons for a single drive on my desk |
| 15:24.23 | enouf | !shoot capiira 's desktop |
| 15:24.30 | capiira | hehe |
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| 15:24.44 | Bracki | how can i add a user to a group so that he doesnt need to relogin? |
| 15:25.00 | capiira | when i try to unmount one it says: Error: device /dev/dm-4 is not mounted |
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| 15:25.10 | hark | newgrp |
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| 15:25.42 | capiira | and the other say: only root can unmount /dev/mapper/hdb1_crypt |
| 15:25.43 | hark | capiira: restart dbus and see? |
| 15:25.57 | capiira | but both points to the same drive |
| 15:26.03 | capiira | and works |
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| 15:26.16 | capiira | i even rebooted |
| 15:26.29 | capiira | that restarts everything |
| 15:26.56 | capiira | this i mean |
| 15:27.48 | eleftherios | enouf, the output of my hwinfo --monitor: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5751 |
| 15:28.25 | capiira | is that wrong ? /dev/mapper/hda3_crypt /astorage ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 15:28.53 | capiira | folder is there and works |
| 15:29.15 | enouf | eleftherios: yep .. it should do it Resolution: 1680x1050@60Hz .. play with the OSD/OSM i told ya ;-) |
| 15:29.58 | wols | shouldn't drxx know about the resolution via DDI and then give it to eleftherios as option? |
| 15:30.07 | eleftherios | enouf, ok, I think that as soon as I drive it to 1680x1050 it will go to 60Hz. Now it is a matter of taking it there... |
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| 15:30.56 | eleftherios | at #xorg they told me to use xserver-xorg-video-i810 and specify "intel" as a driver. I did that and I get an error that no module "intel" can be found |
| 15:31.06 | tengoproblema | hola ahi alguien aqui q hable ingles y español ? |
| 15:31.08 | tengoproblema | hola ahi alguien aqui q hable ingles y español ? |
| 15:31.13 | hark | just remove it from xorg.conf... shoud be autodetected |
| 15:31.15 | zamuro | !es |
| 15:31.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:31.23 | hark | it's i810 |
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| 15:31.30 | wols | enouf: your video sucks. http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/isn/Community/en-US/forums/permalink/30230637/30229998/ShowThread.aspx |
| 15:31.34 | zamuro | tengoproblema: Y deja de floodear, windowzero de mierda. |
| 15:31.36 | wols | it can't do it apparently |
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| 15:32.31 | enouf | wols: dunno .. mine is adjustable through the DE .. |
| 15:32.51 | enouf | wols: i don't have an issue with my video :-P |
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| 15:33.20 | wols | enouf: 1680? |
| 15:33.32 | enouf | wols: that's eleftherios |
| 15:33.42 | eleftherios | now they are telling me I need video-intel-1.9.92 |
| 15:33.45 | wols | d'oh! |
| 15:33.50 | eleftherios | but I can't find such a package |
| 15:33.55 | enouf | !smack wols |
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| 15:34.04 | enouf | :-) |
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| 15:34.48 | Ramattack | Hi all |
| 15:34.50 | capiira | can i clear mtab ? will that file be auto generated? |
| 15:35.03 | wols | capiira: do NOT edit mtab |
| 15:35.07 | Ramattack | what should be done for creating a pid file on /var/run after starting a daemon? |
| 15:35.09 | wols | it won't help |
| 15:35.09 | capiira | ok |
| 15:35.23 | wols | and yes it's autogenerated everytime on boot when you mount stuff |
| 15:35.30 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 15:35.54 | capiira | clear /tmp will also not break my sys or ? |
| 15:36.05 | abrotman | it clears every boot |
| 15:36.09 | wols | no. it's cleared everytime you boot too |
| 15:36.10 | eleftherios | Is there a damn half-decent card with good GPL drivers out there? |
| 15:36.15 | wols | it might crash running programs tho |
| 15:36.17 | capiira | ohh ok then its not that |
| 15:36.50 | enouf | capiira: try an lshal | grep block.device .. you have hal/dbus/udev issues apparently |
| 15:36.50 | wols | eleftherios: not really :) |
| 15:36.50 | eleftherios | I specifically bought this machine because of the open-source drivers... |
| 15:36.50 | eleftherios | fsck |
| 15:36.50 | wols | eleftherios: well, R300 cards supported by the ati driver perhaps |
| 15:36.55 | Ramattack | done mates |
| 15:36.58 | wols | those are opensource. e.g. radeon9600 |
| 15:36.59 | Ramattack | thanks bye!+ |
| 15:37.09 | eleftherios | R300...does it have an open-source driver wols ? |
| 15:37.09 | wols | it's way faster in 3D than intel too |
| 15:37.22 | eleftherios | wols, I don't do 3d, just writing software |
| 15:37.26 | wols | as I said: the ati driver (not the driver from ati.com) |
| 15:37.31 | capiira | enouf: ahaaaa it displays me a lot of drives that i don't have |
| 15:37.37 | enouf | haha |
| 15:37.38 | wols | if it's only 2D, any nvidia card works fine too |
| 15:37.38 | eleftherios | wols, I see |
| 15:37.52 | capiira | and now ? |
| 15:37.52 | capiira | hehe |
| 15:38.01 | wols | eleftherios: nv driver |
| 15:38.23 | Bracki | hm 64MB ram just isnt enuff. |
| 15:38.24 | enouf | capiira: you shouldn't be removing programs that hold your drive's mounts like volume-manager and pmount while they're still mounted .. doh! |
| 15:38.43 | capiira | oh but i installed them again |
| 15:38.47 | eleftherios | I will go to a shop and buy an nvidia card then |
| 15:38.48 | wols | eleftherios: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=560&num=1 |
| 15:39.08 | capiira | its that dm-4 |
| 15:39.09 | wols | eleftherios: get a 7300 then |
| 15:39.10 | scv | eleftherios: what card do you want? |
| 15:39.11 | enouf | capiira: man udev<tab><tab> for some options .. perhaps even an /etc/init.d/udev restart will do |
| 15:39.27 | eleftherios | scv, one that has GPL drivers and can do 1680x1050 |
| 15:39.28 | solar_sea | a 7100gs is enough for everyday use and casual gaming |
| 15:39.30 | tengoproblema | VIVA Windows |
| 15:39.34 | tengoproblema | i love microsoft |
| 15:39.44 | capiira | ahh ok will try |
| 15:39.56 | wols | solar_sea: 7100gs? |
| 15:40.05 | solar_sea | wols, will 7th generation nvidia cards work with the nv driver ? |
| 15:40.22 | scv | is there 7100 such stuff? |
| 15:40.25 | solar_sea | yep, a stripped down version of 7300 |
| 15:40.31 | madd_matt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.31 | solar_sea | inno3d had one iirc |
| 15:40.31 | scv | ... |
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| 15:40.57 | scv | I recycled a 7600gs |
| 15:41.12 | solar_sea | there was even a nice review that the inno3d card was able to achieve a 50% overclock |
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| 15:41.32 | wols | solar_sea: turbocache :( |
| 15:41.33 | cydork | hmm rc2 installer released! |
| 15:41.36 | enouf | hey x_link |
| 15:41.47 | scv | a 7600gs ~= 2x 5200 |
| 15:42.17 | enouf | x_link: i ran into your "missing kcontrol center applets" issue .. recently .. heh .. created my own workaround |
| 15:42.17 | tengoproblema | fuck losser user of linux |
| 15:42.21 | solar_sea | safe the fact that there is no sli 5200 :) |
| 15:42.22 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:42.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:42.23 | eleftherios | the problem is I only have half-height PCI slots... |
| 15:42.37 | x_link | enouf: heh that was a long time ago ;D |
| 15:42.39 | enouf | cydork: yo yo ma! |
| 15:42.42 | solar_sea | eleftherios, there should be a pci-express 6200 in half-height |
| 15:42.45 | enouf | cydork: URL! |
| 15:42.48 | scv | in other words, 7600 ~= 6800 ~= 5700 |
| 15:42.50 | wols | eleftherios: no problem. those kind of cards are pretty small |
| 15:42.56 | tengoproblema | fuck all comunity of linux ,,, Bill gates genius |
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| 15:43.05 | zerohero | wols: thanks, that did it |
| 15:43.06 | enouf | x_link: yep .. but it still occurs .. read the bug reports :-P |
| 15:43.09 | abrotman | !ops tengoproblema can't control himself |
| 15:43.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: tengoproblema can't control himself |
| 15:43.10 | capiira | hmm nothing interesting for udev in man :/ |
| 15:43.21 | zerohero | wols: i forgot to change ro to rw first time tho :) |
| 15:43.27 | eleftherios | solar_sea, pci-express 6200 in half-height...will that work in 1680x1050 with some open-source drivers you think? |
| 15:43.27 | wols | abrotman: now you did it and minded his trollery |
| 15:43.35 | x_link | enouf: hehe ok, sorry to hear it happened to you |
| 15:43.39 | wols | it was brautiful how he was ignored |
| 15:43.49 | abrotman | i love brats :) |
| 15:43.52 | enouf | x_link: no biggy .. I do a workaround ;-) |
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| 15:44.01 | capiira | i need to kill that dm-4 blockdevice |
| 15:44.02 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
| 15:44.09 | x_link | ok |
| 15:44.10 | solar_sea | eleftherios, I suppose, let me check up the max for it |
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| 15:44.17 | x_link | enouf: I have a command that fix it. |
| 15:44.19 | x_link | fixs |
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| 15:44.21 | wols | capiira: no. you need to see where it is defined/mounted/whatever and remove that |
| 15:44.23 | scv | eleftherios: you won't buy a cost-down 6200 when you know it's looking...ugly |
| 15:44.27 | cydork | enouf: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
| 15:44.32 | solar_sea | also, the analog output is usually able to achieve higher resolutions than the dvi-d |
| 15:44.33 | eleftherios | solar_sea, thank you |
| 15:44.44 | eleftherios | scv, ugly? |
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| 15:44.51 | wols | solar_sea: no one wants to watch 1680 on analog |
| 15:44.51 | scv | umm |
| 15:45.06 | wols | eleftherios: bad pciture quality. just use div |
| 15:45.08 | wols | *dvi |
| 15:45.13 | eleftherios | I have dvi |
| 15:45.16 | scv | eleftherios: go to the store and check it out |
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| 15:45.23 | wols | eleftherios: and make sure the card you buy has dvi outputs |
| 15:45.30 | enouf | x_link: kcmshell <applet> will fire up any applet :-) .. but yeah .. they are ALL listed (including kinfocenter stuff) in the kmenu >> lost+found submenu .. heh .. but anyways, |
| 15:45.32 | eleftherios | ah it requires pci-express x16, I only have x1 |
| 15:45.39 | Bracki | !qotd |
| 15:45.40 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 15:45.45 | x_link | enouf: Yeah |
| 15:45.45 | wols | eleftherios: all videocards use pci-e16x |
| 15:45.53 | x_link | enouf: I just got a new CPU =). |
| 15:45.53 | Bracki | !qotd0 |
| 15:45.54 | scv | eleftherios: x1? |
| 15:45.56 | capiira | i checked everything, but don't know anything else where i could take a look |
| 15:45.58 | eleftherios | yes |
| 15:46.00 | x_link | But now some programs doesn't work =/ |
| 15:46.00 | enouf | x_link: and I have only upgraded a few apps sincce I noticed the breakage |
| 15:46.14 | eleftherios | oh I am screwed |
| 15:46.15 | scv | eleftherios: 6200 = x16? |
| 15:46.20 | enouf | x_link: which ones? .. which CPU?> |
| 15:46.35 | eleftherios | scv, as far as I saw, yes, it requires x16 |
| 15:46.42 | enouf | eleftherios: hehe .. got an AGP slot? |
| 15:46.48 | wols | scv: has nothng to do with the chip |
| 15:46.48 | x_link | I had a AMD athlon 64 3200+, now I have a AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+.- |
| 15:46.51 | scv | eleftherios: wtf mobo? |
| 15:46.51 | eleftherios | I only have a pci express x1 slot |
| 15:46.54 | eleftherios | eniac, no |
| 15:46.59 | solar_sea | eleftherios, if you have only one pci-e 1x slot and no 16x you might reconsider a mobo change |
| 15:46.59 | x_link | I don't want to talk about the program that doesn't work here in #Debian =) |
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| 15:47.01 | enouf | eleftherios: throw a 7500-9800 in there |
| 15:47.11 | eleftherios | solar_sea, I bought the machine a week ago! |
| 15:47.13 | enouf | eleftherios: ouch |
| 15:47.22 | eleftherios | it is an HP dc5700 |
| 15:47.29 | solar_sea | hah! well, the pci 1x slot is shorted than the 4x/16x |
| 15:47.32 | enouf | x_link: nice CPU upgrade |
| 15:47.41 | scv | eleftherios: every mobo should has 2 16x pci-e |
| 15:47.43 | solar_sea | you just cant insert a pci-e16x card in it |
| 15:47.49 | eleftherios | this doesn't |
| 15:48.01 | scv | O.o |
| 15:48.05 | solar_sea | what's your mobo, and what card are you using now ? |
| 15:48.11 | enouf | eleftherios: you can take a hacksaw to the slot and get x1 speeds using a x8 or x16 card :-P |
| 15:48.34 | eleftherios | :-/ |
| 15:48.39 | enouf | solar_sea: yes you can .. but VERY VERY carefully ;-) |
| 15:48.46 | solar_sea | :D |
| 15:48.59 | solar_sea | And with some chooping of the card itself, of course :D |
| 15:49.02 | eleftherios | ok, so I have to find a way to get the damned GMA X3000 top do 1680x1050 |
| 15:49.15 | enouf | solar_sea: no no .. only opening the rear end of the slot |
| 15:49.18 | h3sp4wn | There is a matrox pci-e x 1 card (but its very expensive and old technology) |
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| 15:49.20 | x_link | enouf: Yeah |
| 15:49.21 | solar_sea | eleftherios, isn't it able to do so ? |
| 15:49.26 | enouf | solar_sea: if the card don't fit .. then your'e SOL |
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| 15:50.02 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: have you tried using the modesetting driver |
| 15:50.04 | scv | matrox = the best 2D quality? |
| 15:50.06 | solar_sea | h3sp4wn, like g450 for pci-e ? |
| 15:50.26 | enouf | solar_sea: you don't go chopping off a video card's PCB with a pair of snips .. that's just nuts! |
| 15:50.29 | solar_sea | this is quite a good card, and able to support dual displays, but offers almost no 3d |
| 15:50.30 | enouf | :-P |
| 15:50.43 | enouf | solar_sea: but hacking at the Slot? .. well piece of cake |
| 15:51.07 | scv | it would be good using a matrox to watch a map |
| 15:51.09 | h3sp4wn | solar_sea: I think its a 550 |
| 15:51.10 | solar_sea | I'm still to see this done :) |
| 15:51.19 | enouf | oh it be done |
| 15:51.26 | enouf | google the googley |
| 15:51.43 | Kennythegeek | damnm wheres the rc files? |
| 15:51.48 | scv | anyway, matrox is history |
| 15:51.51 | enouf | which ones? |
| 15:51.56 | wols | eleftherios: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1045/ |
| 15:51.57 | Kennythegeek | all of them |
| 15:52.00 | h3sp4wn | solar_sea: http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/finent/news/features/g550_pcie.php |
| 15:52.01 | enouf | in /etc/rc?.d/ ? |
| 15:52.06 | eleftherios | h3sp4wn, modesetting driver? |
| 15:52.31 | enouf | Kennythegeek: are you familiar with debians boot process? |
| 15:52.55 | capiira | enouf: is there no config file for block.device, where i can simply remove the double whoppered harddisk ? |
| 15:53.06 | cydork | !tell militant -about away |
| 15:53.08 | enouf | Kennythegeek: /msg dpkg runlevels , /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf, /msg dpkg update-rc.d |
| 15:53.11 | Kennythegeek | not exactly... but runlevel 6 executes files in rc6/ but normally theres a rc file in etc/ |
| 15:53.15 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: Its possible its only in sid but there is a modesetting driver |
| 15:53.21 | militant | yeah it was a typo guys |
| 15:53.23 | militant | on the away thing |
| 15:53.36 | enouf | capiira: lshal is only reporting back what dbus tells it |
| 15:53.55 | h3sp4wn | !info xserver-xorg-video-intel-modesetting |
| 15:54.06 | enouf | capiira: killing dbus wioll atleast kill your session .. I know.. i just did it :-) |
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| 15:54.32 | capiira | hehe yeah but is there no cache or something for dbus? |
| 15:54.53 | enouf | capiira: you're trying s-o-o-o-o very hard not to reboot ..yes? .. also consider doing a telinit 1 and logging back in |
| 15:55.08 | enouf | capiira: you got me about the dbus cache |
| 15:55.18 | capiira | i rebooted already a few times |
| 15:55.36 | enouf | capiira: it's in a form as a socket through the DE >> see your ~ Dir |
| 15:55.38 | h3sp4wn | !info xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting |
| 15:55.45 | eleftherios | h3sp4wn, hm |
| 15:55.46 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver (modesetting)), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.6.5.git20061014.ac1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 420 kB |
| 15:55.50 | capiira | i have crypted partitions but dm-4 is not needed else dm-3 would be there too |
| 15:56.02 | enouf | capiira: then you need to blacklist some modules, OR disable some services... |
| 15:56.05 | capiira | i have more than one |
| 15:56.08 | eleftherios | h3sp4wn, how can I get this on Etch, I have never used sid packages |
| 15:56.13 | enouf | capiira: /msg dpkg runlevels , /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf, /msg dpkg update-rc.d |
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| 15:56.44 | capiira | let me see |
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| 15:56.48 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:56.55 | eleftherios | thanks |
| 15:56.57 | schaalml | is it possible to accept the license of j2re using debconf? we use preseeding for automatic installation and it crashes when installing java |
| 15:56.58 | enouf | capiira: so do I .. one DBUS entry points to the one right below it in /home/user |
| 15:57.19 | Kennythegeek | enouf: and normal runlevel is? 6? |
| 15:57.28 | enouf | Kennythegeek: 2 |
| 15:57.37 | enouf | Kennythegeek: see /etc/inittab |
| 15:57.50 | Kennythegeek | is k |
| 15:57.54 | enouf | Kennythegeek: 6 and 0 are reboot and shutdown |
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| 15:58.02 | Kennythegeek | k |
| 15:58.09 | capiira | yeah but its not a profile issue because the same shows as root user |
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| 15:58.20 | enouf | Kennythegeek: zless that file that's mentioned via dpkg |
| 15:58.32 | capiira | must be something not profile related |
| 15:58.40 | enouf | Kennythegeek: also /msg dpkg rcconf |
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| 15:59.19 | enouf | capiira: who said anything about profile .. doesn't matter .. |
| 15:59.36 | enouf | capiira: was just pointing out how the files are listed |
| 15:59.42 | Kennythegeek | enouf: i just needed to know the basic runlevel, and if there was a rc in /etc/ but they obviously are all sorted in runlevels... ive been using DSLinux too long... but i can do the rest myself :P |
| 15:59.44 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 15:59.51 | enouf | when you said there;s two entries |
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| 16:00.14 | enouf | Kennythegeek: good stuff in those factoids |
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| 16:00.39 | Kennythegeek | enouf: yeah, but i dont think i need it... :P |
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| 16:01.03 | enouf | Kennythegeek: once you know the defaults .. yes |
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| 16:01.19 | enouf | Kennythegeek: if you know what you're doing ofcourse ;-) |
| 16:01.29 | Kennythegeek | i know what im doing :P |
| 16:01.41 | enouf | Kennythegeek: ok .. have fun ;-) |
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| 16:01.53 | Kennythegeek | hehe, thanks |
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| 16:02.06 | Miltopia | Hey losers |
| 16:02.15 | Miltopia | DCC SEND HEYGUYSDEBIANISFORFAGS 0 0 0 |
| 16:02.20 | enouf | always after me lucky charms |
| 16:02.25 | enouf | heh |
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| 16:02.53 | enouf | brew: join using port 8001 |
| 16:03.00 | capiira | brb |
| 16:03.13 | enouf | brew: your router sucks |
| 16:03.21 | enouf | brew: update the firmware |
| 16:03.40 | cydork | enouf: brew (n=brew@c-71-225-16-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit |
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| 16:04.23 | Ronin | wow sunday again i see |
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| 16:05.13 | enouf | cydork: am I blind or are you hurt? :-P |
| 16:05.18 | simonrvn | Miltopia you're a closet gay |
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| 16:05.55 | scv | gay? |
| 16:06.15 | cydork | enouf: na i just need coffee! :P |
| 16:06.21 | sohmestra | scv: he's happy. |
| 16:06.27 | simonrvn | gay can mean happy or (usually male) homosexual |
| 16:06.30 | enouf | cydork: ahhh ok .. drinks on me ;-) |
| 16:06.54 | aadil | can male homosexuals be happy? |
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| 16:07.00 | aadil | if so then they're... |
| 16:07.02 | enouf | happy and peppy and bursting with love |
| 16:07.02 | aadil | gay |
| 16:07.06 | aadil | omfg! |
| 16:07.09 | aadil | :O |
| 16:07.11 | simonrvn | for sure, then they're gay gays |
| 16:07.36 | cydork | scv: enouf: thanks! :) |
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| 16:07.42 | scv | do gays like coffee? |
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| 16:08.01 | cydork | scv: no geeks like coffee :P |
| 16:08.02 | enouf | !aolify scv |
| 16:08.08 | scv | hahah |
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| 16:08.22 | scv | ~_~ |
| 16:08.23 | apt | :/ |
| 16:08.53 | scv | kthx = cun7s? |
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| 16:09.38 | enouf | %fist scv |
| 16:09.52 | enouf | sussudio: sorry .. it was apropo |
| 16:10.26 | scv | ... |
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| 16:16.10 | boohookitty | I know that to disable services I need to move the SXfoo to K(100-X)bar, but is there a util or script that does this for named services? |
| 16:16.25 | wols | update-rc.d |
| 16:16.28 | wols | that's all |
| 16:16.33 | wols | well rcconf |
| 16:16.42 | boohookitty | I'll try that thanks |
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| 16:17.43 | militant | rcconf is nice for simply enabling/disabling stuff. stuff you already have configured and just need to turn it on/off per next boot. |
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| 16:18.11 | eleftherios | what is feisty? |
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| 16:18.38 | militant | feisty is the new release of ubuntu |
| 16:18.51 | eleftherios | eeeekkk |
| 16:19.47 | eleftherios | well, the people a #xorg confirmed that GMA X3000 will work at 1680x1050 with video-intel-1.9.92 but I can't even find it in sid |
| 16:19.52 | eleftherios | :-/ |
| 16:20.12 | tdn | I need some "Debian best practice" advice. :) Sometimes I want to test some bleeding edge software. This means that I have to checkout source from svn/cvs and compile it. Then I need to install and test it. Often this is not a problem. I just skip the "make install" bit and just test on the standalone binary. But sometimes I need to deal with applications that does not compile to a standalone binary. Some programs need to be installed. That's why I would lik |
| 16:20.22 | x_link | Hi |
| 16:20.26 | wols | eleftherios: ask them if it's in xorg 7.2 |
| 16:20.28 | scv | hi |
| 16:20.36 | x_link | I have a question, I don't know if I should ask it here but I will give it a try. Somebody told me to come her and ask |
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| 16:20.43 | zamuro | !ask |
| 16:20.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:20.52 | x_link | Like I said I had an AMD athlon 64 3200+, I bought a new CPU today, an AMD athlon 64 x2 3800+. |
| 16:20.53 | tarzeau | tdn: install them in a chroot? or fiddle with LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 16:21.00 | x_link | Now I can't play games and I can't load Beryl. |
| 16:21.03 | tarzeau | tdn: or make your own debian packages of it? |
| 16:21.07 | x_link | I can't play any game at all. |
| 16:21.08 | h3sp4wn | tdn: maybe use svn-buildpackage |
| 16:21.15 | Bracki | how can i prevent a driver from loading? just put some "blacklist lala" in any file below /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 16:21.15 | x_link | Somebody told me that I need a debian smp kernel? |
| 16:21.20 | wols | x_link: new kernel? |
| 16:21.29 | wols | !tell Bracki about blacklist |
| 16:21.29 | gonzaloaf_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.35 | x_link | wols: I don't know |
| 16:21.47 | wols | x_link: to use the dualcore: depends. etch 2.6.18 is smp by default |
| 16:21.55 | eleftherios | wols, no it isn't they say |
| 16:22.00 | wols | x_link: what videocard? |
| 16:22.01 | tdn | tarzeau, h3sp4wn: Do you have any info on how to do this? Links to some docs/guides would be nice. |
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| 16:22.05 | eleftherios | wols, it will be in 7.3 |
| 16:22.13 | x_link | wols: GeForce 6600GT 128MB PCI Express x16 |
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| 16:22.21 | x_link | wols: But it worked for 45 min ago, with my other CPU. |
| 16:22.26 | wols | x_link: lsmod |grep nvidia |
| 16:22.28 | tarzeau | tdn: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ ? or use a sid box, use backports? |
| 16:22.43 | tarzeau | tdn: i didn't get is this newer software in debian, or not in debian at all? |
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| 16:23.37 | scv | x_link: you had to reinstall nvidia driver after you updated your kernel |
| 16:23.40 | quito | I have X Window System Version 7.1.1 and I am setting some parameters in ~/.Xdefaults but the values are just skipped, does any one have any idea on how to solve this? |
| 16:23.41 | tdn | tarzeau, I cannot just use backports. I need this because I often want to hack the source or sometimes I need the very latest to test on before reporting a bug / sending a patch / etc. |
| 16:24.10 | tdn | tarzeau, this is not software for debian at all. I just like to use Debian :) |
| 16:24.22 | Chris_abyi | hey! I've got kernel v. 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp installed and want to use ALSA. As far as I know, it's already included in this kernel. Do I need to activate it first with dpkg-reconfigur kernel-image* ? |
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| 16:24.28 | Bracki | hmhmhmhmhmhdffkhsd |
| 16:24.34 | scv | ? |
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| 16:24.49 | Bracki | oops. |
| 16:25.02 | wols | !tell Chris_abyi about alsa one-liner |
| 16:25.05 | cahoot | Chris_abyi: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 16:25.35 | cahoot | Chris_abyi: and you want alsa-utils installed |
| 16:25.40 | Bracki | wols: i'm confused about the blacklist stuff. i did a dist-upgrade to etch. Should i only worry about /etc/modprobe.d? Cos there's a /etc/discover.cnf as well.. |
| 16:26.17 | x_link | scv: I haven't installed a new kernel. |
| 16:26.47 | scv | x_link: can you boot with new cpus? |
| 16:26.53 | Chris_abyi | wols, cahoot: thanks. let's see. |
| 16:26.54 | x_link | Yes |
| 16:26.58 | x_link | I use it right now |
| 16:27.14 | x_link | wols: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11047/ |
| 16:27.15 | wols | Bracki: is discover still running? |
| 16:27.30 | scv | x_link: are you in the 32bit mode? |
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| 16:27.52 | x_link | I use Debian 32. |
| 16:27.58 | x_link | I don't use Debian amd64. |
| 16:28.12 | scv | x_link: can you get in the X? |
| 16:28.17 | x_link | Yes |
| 16:28.22 | x_link | I use KDE right now like I said. |
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| 16:28.31 | x_link | KDE reboots when I try to load a game or Beryl. |
| 16:28.33 | scv | x_link: can you run glxgears? |
| 16:28.46 | eleftherios | is there a way to get X.org 7.2 in Etch? |
| 16:28.54 | eleftherios | a fairly comfortable way I mean |
| 16:28.54 | Bracki | looks like and i cant stop it from init.d... |
| 16:28.57 | x_link | scv: I will try |
| 16:29.00 | scv | ... |
| 16:29.09 | wols | eleftherios: not really |
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| 16:29.17 | Chris_abyi | hmm..I get this message after installing alsa-base: Architecture-specific modutils configuration not found, using defaults - is this critical?? |
| 16:29.19 | x_link | scv: Is that something I have to install? |
| 16:29.31 | x_link | scv: Seems like I don't have it |
| 16:29.38 | scv | x_link: everything is working, isn't it? |
| 16:29.45 | x_link | Yes. |
| 16:29.50 | wols | Chris_abyi: if you can modprobe and stuff: shouldn't be |
| 16:29.53 | x_link | Except for loading games and Beryl. |
| 16:29.54 | scv | x_link: so? |
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| 16:30.12 | wols | x_link: get glxinfo |
| 16:30.15 | x_link | scv: I want everything to work, I want to be able to play games, I want to be able to use Beryl. |
| 16:30.26 | wols | !glxinfo |
| 16:30.27 | dpkg | [glxinfo] a useful program, especially when debugging dri/glx stuff found in xbase-clients |
| 16:30.33 | x_link | ok |
| 16:30.48 | wols | x_link: also what version of debian? |
| 16:30.55 | x_link | hrmm couldn't find package |
| 16:30.58 | x_link | wols: How do I see that? |
| 16:31.02 | x_link | But I think it's 4.0 |
| 16:31.03 | wols | e.g. do you have 2 cpus recognized (check /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 16:31.14 | wols | uname -a |
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| 16:31.59 | scv | x_link: x_link, can you tell me your bogomips ^_^ |
| 16:32.17 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ uname -a |
| 16:32.17 | x_link | Linux sedde 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Wed Feb 21 16:48:19 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:32.19 | x_link | scv: ? |
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| 16:32.30 | tdn | tarzeau, did that make sense? |
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| 16:32.35 | scv | x_link: in the /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 16:32.47 | wols | ok. it's a SMB kernel |
| 16:32.59 | wols | SMP |
| 16:33.12 | x_link | wols: cat /proc/cpuinfo fins bought cpus |
| 16:34.08 | wols | x_link: could be the nvidia driver is not SMP clean |
| 16:34.21 | scv | huh |
| 16:34.21 | x_link | ok |
| 16:34.28 | x_link | wols: I use the 9755 driver. |
| 16:34.36 | x_link | Should I try to re-install my nvidia driver maybe? |
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| 16:35.01 | scv | re-compiling |
| 16:35.11 | jetscreamer | what did glxinfo say |
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| 16:35.29 | x_link | scv: I don't compile |
| 16:35.49 | x_link | jetscreamer: I don't have it and I can't install it |
| 16:35.58 | HostilePenguin | lol |
| 16:36.34 | x_link | Cause it doesn't find the package. |
| 16:36.48 | HostilePenguin | mesa |
| 16:36.55 | x_link | apt-get install mesa? |
| 16:36.59 | mateuszk | Is there any unoffical mirror for xorg 7.2 ? |
| 16:37.03 | mateuszk | that works |
| 16:37.05 | mateuszk | for sid |
| 16:37.05 | scv | x_link: does glx-info say it's SGI+Mesa? |
| 16:37.22 | x_link | scv: I don't have glxinfo |
| 16:37.26 | scv | ... |
| 16:37.36 | jetscreamer | and 'can't' apt-get install mesautils |
| 16:37.39 | HostilePenguin | mesa-utils |
| 16:37.41 | jetscreamer | err mesa-utils |
| 16:37.47 | scv | it couldn't be |
| 16:38.16 | jetscreamer | glxinfo probably 'does' imo noidea |
| 16:38.20 | Bracki | ok, i just removed the discover that was still running from sarge. |
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| 16:38.52 | scv | x_link: do you have glxgears? |
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| 16:38.57 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 16:38.57 | x_link | Nope |
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| 16:38.59 | jetscreamer | same package |
| 16:39.01 | scv | O.o |
| 16:39.07 | x_link | mesa is installed now |
| 16:39.17 | HostilePenguin | glxinfo |
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| 16:39.49 | wols | mesa is bad |
| 16:39.50 | jetscreamer | lol he ran it |
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| 16:40.19 | jetscreamer | so is that the 'debian way' or did he use the nvidia-installer |
| 16:40.37 | wols | since he uses 97.55 I'd say nvidia-installer |
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| 16:40.51 | Chris_abyi | hi! Here comes some newbie question: I installed ALSA with the oneliner and it works fine so far besides of the fact that it won't shutdown when the computer should shut down. I guess the reason for this is that I also compiled ALSA before this by hand. How can I deinstall this version again? |
| 16:40.52 | scv | I know... you must be... can't install the offical nvidia driver... do you know why? |
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| 16:41.02 | Chris_abyi | still got the sources etc. |
| 16:41.07 | jetscreamer | !nv.run |
| 16:41.07 | dpkg | also ask me about <nvidia one-liner>. quick and dirty for i386: get root. kill X. then paste this: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev linux-headers-`uname -r` && md /usr/src/nvda/ && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg0.run -anN |
| 16:41.21 | jetscreamer | seems to work every time |
| 16:41.24 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 16:41.26 | x_link | glxinfo made my KDE reboot |
| 16:41.36 | jetscreamer | your driver isn't installed properly |
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| 16:41.39 | jetscreamer | that's why |
| 16:41.42 | scv | hehehee |
| 16:41.43 | jetscreamer | do that^ |
| 16:41.56 | x_link | jetscreamer: Mine? |
| 16:42.02 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 16:42.03 | HostilePenguin | hahaha |
| 16:42.16 | x_link | HostilePenguin: Quit before I bite you. |
| 16:42.19 | x_link | ;D |
| 16:42.23 | x_link | jetscreamer: How did you see that? |
| 16:42.27 | wols | x_link: your glx is fscked imho |
| 16:42.33 | jetscreamer | x_link: been there done that |
| 16:42.50 | x_link | jetscreamer: Ok |
| 16:42.51 | albert | anybody can talk me about Elive? |
| 16:42.54 | x_link | Then I will re-install it. |
| 16:43.05 | wols | !elive |
| 16:43.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive. |
| 16:43.07 | x_link | Strange that it worked before and not now |
| 16:43.09 | HostilePenguin | are you trying to run beryl? |
| 16:44.07 | jetscreamer | x_link: anytime xorg gets updated, you have to reinstall it... kinda like windows... x_link be sure and apt-get install those 2 packages first. you don't need to re-d/l the .run though |
| 16:44.28 | x_link | jetscreamer: Which packages? |
| 16:44.42 | scv | x_link: he must had tried that..but... |
| 16:44.44 | jetscreamer | err 3 packages: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 16:45.00 | jetscreamer | paste that |
| 16:45.06 | x_link | I have already those installed |
| 16:45.11 | jetscreamer | it is xorg though eh |
| 16:45.14 | scv | s/x_link/jetscreamer |
| 16:45.26 | x_link | linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 16:45.32 | x_link | Maybe I should use that kernel? |
| 16:45.40 | jetscreamer | ugh all bets off no idea about 64bit |
| 16:45.42 | scv | hehehe |
| 16:45.48 | x_link | ok |
| 16:46.02 | albert | wols, you know what's the history about elive? |
| 16:46.22 | x_link | jetscreamer: I already had those 3 packages installed |
| 16:46.30 | x_link | I will try to re-install the driver now for nvidia. |
| 16:46.48 | x_link | THen change to 2.6-amd64 kernel- |
| 16:47.57 | HostilePenguin | why wont open source drivers work? |
| 16:48.50 | wols | albert: no and I don't care: it's not debian |
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| 16:49.09 | albert | Oks sorry wols |
| 16:49.11 | wols | xtr: that's will blow up in your face |
| 16:49.22 | wols | doh. he's away :( |
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| 16:50.53 | tuxub | hi... I have a server with login names with more than 8 chars |
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| 16:50.57 | tuxub | when I run "who" |
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| 16:51.09 | tuxub | the login are truncated... how can I see the full login name? |
| 16:51.28 | Agiofws | i need a light vesion of debian |
| 16:51.33 | Agiofws | no gui |
| 16:51.39 | Agiofws | and install from net ? |
| 16:52.05 | wols | netinstall |
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| 16:52.52 | Agiofws | do i search for that key in debian.org ? |
| 16:53.01 | wols | !d-i |
| 16:53.01 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 16:53.41 | Agiofws | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i? |
| 16:53.59 | wols | depends if you want sarge or etch |
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| 16:55.13 | Agiofws | anything just a minimal install |
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| 16:55.15 | Agiofws | no gui |
| 16:55.40 | wols | any netinstall comes without GUI |
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| 16:58.31 | x_link | YES !! |
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| 16:59.20 | x_link | It was the driver |
| 16:59.29 | Agiofws | how big is netinst and how big is biusness card ? |
| 16:59.44 | RichiH | Agiofws: it tells you right on the mirror sites |
| 16:59.51 | smiler | buisness-card cdroms usually are ~150mb |
| 17:00.01 | enouf | smiler: nope |
| 17:00.15 | smiler | ? :o |
| 17:00.16 | wols | smiler: netinst ist 150, businesscard is 25-50 |
| 17:00.26 | enouf | depends on the ARCH too |
| 17:00.30 | smiler | so small? my mini-cdrw I have at home are 150mb |
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| 17:01.13 | enouf | wols: for ex; the ppc businesscard is more than 2x as big as teh i386 |
| 17:01.14 | Agiofws | what shoudl i get netinst or buisness card ? |
| 17:01.30 | enouf | Agiofws: netinstall |
| 17:01.30 | wols | enouf: there is only i386 and don't you foget it |
| 17:01.55 | enouf | now stop that single-moded thinking :-p |
| 17:01.57 | Agiofws | enouf, why ? |
| 17:02.04 | enouf | Agiofws: why not? |
| 17:02.17 | Agiofws | i don't know you know |
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| 17:03.22 | TuxMeister | hey guys! |
| 17:03.32 | enouf | Agiofws: instead of arguing about it .. /msg dpkg fsih |
| 17:03.45 | enouf | Agiofws: bah .. i mean.. /msg dpkg fish |
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| 17:05.05 | enouf | wols: i fuggedboutit already :-p |
| 17:05.21 | Vasistha | can anyone tell me a CLI tool to play a CD-DA? |
| 17:05.43 | enouf | Vasistha: apt-cache search cd* |
| 17:05.49 | enouf | there's apps there |
| 17:05.55 | row_ | What would be the cause of "short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/qla1280.ko')"? |
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| 17:06.15 | row_ | while doing dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.15-1-686_2.6.15-1_i386.deb |
| 17:06.35 | wols | row_: why do you install that? |
| 17:06.41 | wols | that isn't a debian kernel |
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| 17:06.57 | row_ | wols: as unicorn (bewan) drivers don't compile on a kernel grater than 2.6.15 |
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| 17:07.09 | row_ | wols: I got it off snapshot.debian.net |
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| 17:07.27 | wols | row_: it sounds like a bad archive |
| 17:07.35 | jetscreamer | nv.run wins the 'just works'(tm) award once again |
| 17:07.38 | row_ | wols: I will redownload it. |
| 17:07.53 | Vasistha | haven't yet found anything :-( kinda urgent, got a bunch of people here ... need to play this cd! heh |
| 17:08.02 | petemc | Vasistha: cdtool |
| 17:08.08 | jetscreamer | cplay |
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| 17:08.19 | smiler | mplayer can play cds |
| 17:08.24 | Vasistha | petemc: thanks much! |
| 17:08.31 | jetscreamer | xmms also |
| 17:08.37 | wols | xmms is not console |
| 17:08.56 | enouf | Vasistha: perhaps pt-cache search cd | grep play would yield better results :-P |
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| 17:09.15 | enouf | Vasistha: er .. apt-cache search cd | grep play |
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| 17:10.04 | jetscreamer | missed the 'console' part |
| 17:10.16 | jetscreamer | ah up there |
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| 17:10.44 | dhuv | hello all, I am running debian stable on a 64 bit system using the amd64 packages from "deb http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ stable main" |
| 17:11.00 | dhuv | the problem that I am having is that the server is not updated for the new timezone info |
| 17:11.04 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 17:11.20 | Mazingaro | please is there an iceape plugin for rss |
| 17:11.22 | Mazingaro | ? |
| 17:11.35 | wols | Mazingaro: addons.mozilla.org |
| 17:11.40 | abrotman | isn't there a whole website for mozilla.org plugins ? |
| 17:11.53 | Mazingaro | wols: I mean for debian distro |
| 17:12.04 | abrotman | it's just a plugin |
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| 17:12.35 | dhuv | unfortunately the stable amd64 packages have not been updated for the new dst |
| 17:12.47 | enouf | Mazingaro: moz-plugger |
| 17:12.55 | dhuv | can I take a certain file from 32bit and copy it to the 64 bit? |
| 17:12.58 | wols | debian has no mozilla plugins |
| 17:13.13 | Mazingaro | enouf: moz-plugger? |
| 17:13.33 | enouf | Mazingaro: mozplugger |
| 17:13.49 | capiira | hmmm, just found out udev is causing my mount error not gnome |
| 17:13.51 | enouf | my bad before |
| 17:13.53 | Mazingaro | enouf: I've got it, but it won't work |
| 17:14.00 | capiira | must be a udev rule bug |
| 17:14.05 | enouf | Mazingaro: neither will mine :-P |
| 17:14.28 | enouf | Mazingaro: but i could care less ;-) |
| 17:15.33 | enouf | capiira: go through your dmesg and look at your dm modules loading .. |
| 17:15.56 | capiira | ok |
| 17:15.58 | dkr | why do people tell you they could care less? seems pretty silly thing to say. now if you could *not* care less, I suppose it would be mor einteresting |
| 17:16.19 | enouf | capiira: youcan stop that easily by installing sysv-rc-conf .. /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf |
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| 17:16.31 | xinming | itchi: Hello. |
| 17:16.39 | enouf | capiira: or other methods like update-rc.d |
| 17:16.55 | enouf | itchi++ |
| 17:17.01 | cahoot | dkr: who cares? |
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| 17:17.15 | capiira | ahhh ok will check this out |
| 17:17.16 | Ronin | could care less |
| 17:17.27 | Vasistha | dhuv: well, I don't know if you ever reboot this machine -- but if you do, you could probably run ntpdate ... I'm not absolutely certain that will solve your problem, but it might |
| 17:17.32 | capiira | thx |
| 17:17.36 | xinming | itchi: I ever heard you asked a question about "can't deactivate vg" on shutdown, In fact, I was also curious about the result. Could you please tell me the answer? Or You still didn't get the answer. |
| 17:17.42 | x_link | I use AMD 64 CPU, is it better for me to use the 2.6.18-am64 kernel than 2.6.18-4-k7 kernel (that I use now) ? |
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| 17:18.13 | enouf | dkr: because moz/ff/icecrap sucks ass? |
| 17:18.38 | dkr | cahoot: are you suggesting "who cares?" as the replacement phrase to use instead? ;) |
| 17:18.43 | enouf | dkr: even epiphany is slower than drippin shit in the winter |
| 17:19.04 | abrotman | they're not that bad |
| 17:19.06 | cahoot | dkr: just being obnoxious |
| 17:19.20 | jelly-home | enouf: how fast is exactly the drip speed of shit in winter? |
| 17:19.33 | jelly-home | enouf: metric units please |
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| 17:20.18 | x_link | Anybody? |
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| 17:20.35 | enouf | jelly-home: exactly the same speed as the speed of a laden african swallow while in resting |
| 17:20.56 | dkr | x_link: probably betetr to stick with the 32 bit kernel unless you want to deal with headaches for not much gain as of yet |
| 17:21.00 | dhuv | Vasistha: I was running ntpdate but it did not help |
| 17:21.02 | dhuv | its working now |
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| 17:21.25 | x_link | dkr: Is it not working good or what? |
| 17:21.33 | dkr | enouf: lol, i was typing out you should compare to speed of laden swallow, but backsapced to answer linux question. :) |
| 17:21.35 | x_link | I just want the best kernel for me. |
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| 17:21.58 | enouf | !montypython smite dkr |
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| 17:22.29 | dkr | x_link: it works, but it's extra hassle to run things like web browser because it's plugins are 32 bit |
| 17:22.37 | SeanTater | sudo modprobe ndiswrapper | ENTER |FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.<-- what do I need to install |
| 17:22.53 | wols | !ndiswrapper |
| 17:22.53 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 17:23.08 | xinming | !lvm2 |
| 17:23.09 | enouf | SeanTater: == Ron White? |
| 17:23.09 | dpkg | from memory, lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
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| 17:23.13 | dkr | x_link: and not many normal apps take advantage of 64 bit yet, so not any big gain for using 64 bit unless you are running number crunching scientific apps... |
| 17:23.16 | x_link | dkr: Ok. Then I will stick with my 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 17:23.27 | x_link | dkr: No. |
| 17:23.33 | SeanTater | enouf: False. Why do you ask? |
| 17:23.48 | x_link | I don't care much of gaining anything, as long as it works. I just want something that's best for my CPU. |
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| 17:24.05 | enouf | SeanTater: just thought i'd ask .. I like his comedy |
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| 17:24.44 | enouf | the word tater makes me hungry .. for some odd reason too :-p |
| 17:25.07 | x_link | dkr: So I should stick with 2.6.18-4-k7? |
| 17:25.16 | enouf | yes x_link |
| 17:25.20 | dkr | x_link: yes |
| 17:25.43 | x_link | ok |
| 17:25.55 | x_link | dkr: Thanks alot for helping me out and explaing for me. I really appreciate it |
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| 17:26.39 | enouf | x_link: see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for a bit of explanation |
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| 17:26.58 | abrotman | !tell SeanTater about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 17:26.59 | x_link | ok |
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| 17:27.13 | Vasistha | petemc: thanks -- you've made a room of nine old ladies happy :D |
| 17:27.13 | jelly-home | does it make any sense to run 64bit kernel and 32bit userspace on amd64, like sparc does? |
| 17:28.07 | petemc | theres a first |
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| 17:28.52 | abrotman | petemc: don't be bashful .. we've seen the pictures |
| 17:29.22 | Vasistha | petemc: my Mom's a piano teacher, and she has a bunch of other piano teachers over for a "listening session" where they listen to and judge different recordings, in preparation for a recital. And, their cd player wasn't working ... all I had was this box with a base install... |
| 17:29.22 | petemc | that was 7.. |
| 17:29.24 | row | Whats the reason beind removing checkinstall from etch http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/checkinstall says its only in stable and unstable? |
| 17:29.32 | xinming | Is "can't deactivate volume group" on shutdown ok? /me hopes someone here would uses debian on lvm |
| 17:29.34 | petemc | Vasistha: all good |
| 17:29.36 | SeanTater | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:31.13 | graytron | bashful people can always find help at #bash |
| 17:31.13 | eleftherios | h3sp4wn, ok, I have installed xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting by making a backport, do you happen to know what's the next step to 1680x1050 eternity? |
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| 17:33.26 | SeanTater | is WPA/WEP/WPA2 software or hardware based or can it be either? |
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| 17:34.59 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: Did you remove the other one (I think they should conflict) |
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| 17:35.30 | capiira | bbl ciao |
| 17:35.46 | petemc | SeanTater: protocol based, i would think |
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| 17:37.30 | SeanTater | petemc: Let me rephrase: I have an 2 old wifi-cards, provided I have new software for moth machines running these cards, can I make an ad-hoc network with WPA (which the router they connected to did not support)? |
| 17:37.41 | SeanTater | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.16 | petemc | SeanTater: why would you use wpa for an ad hoc network? |
| 17:38.24 | eleftherios | h3sp4wn, I did |
| 17:38.39 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: what are the modes listed by - xrandr ? |
| 17:38.43 | Niklas- | Hey, i'm having a few problems getting my debian to boot with lvm on my root partion. The error i'm getting is: "No program "lvm" found for your current version of LVM" |
| 17:39.05 | SeanTater | petemc: Appearantly I know less about adhoc than I thought I did. Do you know a link where I can find information on it? |
| 17:39.09 | petemc | SeanTater: in any case, as they're protocols, i would think you could use them fine |
| 17:39.35 | eleftherios | h3sp4wn, shall I restart now that I installed it (and leave driver "i810")? Currently it gives *0 1024 x 768 ( 271mm x 203mm ) *76 |
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| 17:41.22 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: Yes |
| 17:42.08 | eleftherios | h3sp4wn, don't I need to use get-edid | parse-edid to get a modeline and set it in xorg.conf? |
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| 17:43.54 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: You could set a modeline if you wanted, (afaik the modesetting driver queries the video bios for the modes) |
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| 17:44.16 | h3sp4wn | I haven't used it particularly recently though |
| 17:44.45 | eleftherios | ok, I'm restaring |
| 17:44.46 | eleftherios | brb |
| 17:45.02 | insulina | hello, cant ping to localhost |
| 17:45.07 | insulina | what should i do ?? |
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| 17:45.39 | enouf | start digging? |
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| 17:46.56 | insulina | i am almost two days to put my printer working , and every doc i see about cups , tells me to go to page localhost:631 , but my local host doesnt seem to be funcition |
| 17:47.08 | insulina | i am little fustrated with all this stuff :( |
| 17:47.12 | militant | man. bittorrent is insanely slow/frustrating :/ |
| 17:47.32 | dvs | militant: for me, it starts off slow but it does pick up speed |
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| 17:47.45 | militant | rarely does for me. i've rarely gotten a torrent above 30-50k |
| 17:48.06 | wintix | depends on the torrent, your client settings and your connection. |
| 17:48.06 | militant | even when the tracker reports thousands of seeds/peers |
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| 17:48.20 | dvs | militant: that's why I leave torrents to the computer I leave running all the time. ;-) |
| 17:48.28 | militant | client settings seem fine, i have my router set for portforwarding properly etc |
| 17:48.35 | militant | connection is 3-4mbit |
| 17:48.36 | militant | heh |
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| 17:49.03 | gmcinnes | hi all. could anyone help me with a new dell server? How do I monitor the hw raid and redundant power supplies? |
| 17:49.05 | wintix | militant: try to increase the total amount of allowed connections and so on. |
| 17:49.07 | militant | dvs yeah imma let torrents run on my server from now on, so they can just run for days |
| 17:49.16 | militant | unlimited connections allowed, wintix |
| 17:49.20 | dvs | militant: overnight is enough for me. |
| 17:49.25 | aronofsky | hi , can anyone explain me what is the point of having the ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 package as long as the ipw2200 module is already include in 2.6.18 kernel, are those the same or what ? |
| 17:49.32 | nivanson | militant: you are eiter not seeding fast enough to get prioritized to leech from the fast seeders or there are no fast seeders... |
| 17:50.03 | militant | all i want is season 2/3/4 of enterprise :/ |
| 17:50.10 | dvs | why? ;-) |
| 17:50.20 | militant | i have my upload set for the max my upstream can handle |
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| 17:51.10 | militant | i'm gonna run out of episodes of season 1 before i have any season 2 to watch |
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| 17:51.18 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:52.22 | aronofsky | anyone can tell me about ipw ? |
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| 17:53.19 | petemc | militant: this has nothing to do with debian, but many isps throttle bittorrent |
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| 17:53.30 | petemc | the azureus wiki has a list |
| 17:53.38 | petemc | usenet 4tw |
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| 17:54.30 | enouf | alt.bin |
| 17:54.52 | militant | petemc my isp filters porn and blocks some political sites. (and yes, i'm in america!) ... i wouldn't be surprised. |
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| 17:55.08 | petemc | sucks to be you |
| 17:55.14 | militant | yeah |
| 17:55.17 | militant | there's another cable co in town |
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| 17:55.26 | militant | but i'm 500 yards from their limit up this road |
| 17:56.10 | earthian | i could say that U.S. sux for the third time today... :( poor ppl in us :/ |
| 17:56.13 | wishkah | I cannot remove a broken package (pympd), dpkg tells me to reinstall it, when I try using aptitude to reinstall that tells me it wasn't able to locate "file for the pympd package" and suggest I should become root (I am) |
| 17:56.38 | wishkah | then it says something about "manually fixing" the package, is there some sort of guide for that? |
| 17:56.43 | militant | earthian this is the only broadband ISP i know of that blocks porn and watches your connections |
| 17:56.58 | Guerin | militant: privoxy is your friend |
| 17:57.01 | Ronin | militant: they all watch or throttle but blocking porn is certainly a new thing |
| 17:57.39 | militant | Guerin it's been too slow/unreliable to be useful to me. |
| 17:57.39 | Guerin | shell out another $10/month on a webhost and runn a proxy on it |
| 17:58.07 | Guerin | i did this when living in asia to avoid similar policies |
| 17:58.12 | Guerin | worked a charm |
| 17:58.15 | militant | i will be, soon, actually |
| 17:58.25 | petemc | Guerin: where are you living now? |
| 17:58.40 | Guerin | petemc: back in NZ |
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| 17:58.45 | petemc | ah, cool |
| 17:58.58 | eleftherios | h3sp4wn, no luck |
| 17:59.13 | anapivirtua | Hi all o// |
| 17:59.27 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: With or without the modeline ? |
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| 17:59.41 | eleftherios | tried both |
| 18:00.13 | eleftherios | I don't think this GMA X3000 on Q963 chipset is supported by this driver |
| 18:00.34 | aronofsky | can anyone tell me what is the point of having the ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-686 package as long as ipw2200 module is built-in 2.6.18 kernel , aren't those the same modules ? |
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| 18:00.56 | concept10 | what is analogous to /sbin/service and chkconfig in redhat systems on debian? |
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| 18:01.30 | petemc | concept10: /etc/init.d/foo and update-rc.d , i think |
| 18:01.35 | lewis | Can someone help my diagnose: Mar 19 15:52:48 server123 kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xf0/0) |
| 18:01.51 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: any newer versions of that tree - are built for xorg 7.2 |
| 18:01.55 | cydork | concept10: also invoke-rc.d |
| 18:02.10 | petemc | lewis: out of memory? |
| 18:02.38 | concept10 | petemc, yeah, I know about /etc/init.d/bar, red hat seems to have a util that will list all running services. I guess I should stick with ps |
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| 18:03.12 | cydork | concept10: you can try rcconf too! |
| 18:03.12 | lewis | petemc: ok |
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| 18:03.36 | kjxxxx | I have the source code for my Ethernet PCMCIA Card and would like to add it to my system |
| 18:03.36 | wishkah | if aptitude tells me to manually fix a package that can neither be removed nor reinstalled, what do I do? |
| 18:03.42 | eleftherios | h3sp4wn, the #xorg guys say that I will only get this working with video-intel-1.9.92 but I can not compile it, I get errors |
| 18:04.14 | aronofsky | anyone about my ipw2200 interrogation ? |
| 18:04.24 | kjxxxx | Can someone help me with this network card |
| 18:04.29 | eleftherios | h3sp4wn, the error I was getting now is that it didn't find memory for framebuffer of something like that |
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| 18:05.29 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: I don't know what to suggest really, xserver-xorg-video-intel 1.9.92 is only in experimental |
| 18:06.19 | h3sp4wn | !info xserver-xorg-video-intel experimental |
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| 18:06.23 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-intel: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.9.92-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 163 kB, Installed size: 448 kB |
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| 18:06.48 | concept10 | aronofsky, Im not sure if the module is part of the kernel or not but it's probably distributed separately |
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| 18:06.59 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: doing the simple backport for the whole of xorg from experimental is not practical |
| 18:07.34 | h3sp4wn | I don't know whether it could be done as a one off or whether it absolutely must have xorg 7.2 |
| 18:08.12 | lewis | petemc: is it possible to determine which type of memory it was trying to use, i.e. cache, swap, apps, etc? |
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| 18:08.37 | h3sp4wn | eleftherios: You could pull the whole of Xorg from experimental but its quite likely it will have risks for your system stability |
| 18:08.47 | h3sp4wn | (and as etch is not yet released its not in backports) |
| 18:08.54 | eleftherios | hm |
| 18:09.15 | eleftherios | h3sp4wn, well I am stuck with a 22" screen and 1280x1024 resolution... |
| 18:09.48 | aronofsky | concept10, its built in the kernel actually, id like to be sure that those are the same versions |
| 18:10.06 | h3sp4wn | !experimental |
| 18:10.06 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 18:10.15 | aronofsky | concept10, because it seems that buit-in version is quite old ( 1.1.2 ) |
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| 18:11.42 | petemc | lewis: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump will put lots of stuff in /var/log/debug |
| 18:11.54 | petemc | lewis: actually, dont do that |
| 18:12.11 | abrotman | good advice! |
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| 18:12.14 | petemc | :) |
| 18:12.26 | petemc | not sure how useful it would be for oom errors |
| 18:12.52 | petemc | very useful for i/o problems |
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| 18:14.32 | Nyle | hi |
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| 18:15.04 | kjxxxx | can someone help me with compiling a source code |
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| 18:15.27 | Nyle | kjxxxx what are you trying to compile |
| 18:15.45 | kjxxxx | NetGear CardBus Mobile Adapter Model FA511 |
| 18:15.46 | Nyle | !tell kjxxxx -about ask |
| 18:16.28 | Nyle | mmm mac n cheese |
| 18:16.37 | lewis | petemc: the uptime was 2 years or so, should I be worried about memory problems once after that time? |
| 18:16.48 | VImtermute | later people |
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| 18:17.30 | kjxxxx | one of my issue is the directory they are talking about in the driver file is not on my system |
| 18:17.37 | petemc | lewis: not really, your kernel is likely a bit long in the tooth tho. ive generally found oom errors when processes have run amok, like spamd or some badly coded rails site |
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| 18:18.02 | j4zz | #lxc |
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| 18:18.47 | kjxxxx | this is the line to compile the files: gcc -DCARDBUS -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c tulip.c \ -o tulip_cb.o -I/usr/src/linux/pcmcia-cs-3.1.19/include \ -I/usr/src/linux/include |
| 18:18.54 | lewis | appreciated. I'm looking at starting that machine from scratch anyhow soon |
| 18:19.21 | kjxxxx | I don't have a /usr/src directory |
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| 18:19.59 | Nyle | you need the kernel source |
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| 18:20.28 | aronofsky | is there any way to know what is the version of the ipw2200 module in ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-686 package ? |
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| 18:20.56 | Nyle | kjxxxx install module-assistant and try m-a prepare |
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| 18:21.10 | Nyle | it _should_ get all the build packages and the kernel source for you |
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| 18:21.25 | Nyle | or you can just install the source package yourself |
| 18:21.51 | dustybin | what advantages are there if one builds the kernel from source? |
| 18:21.59 | Nyle | none |
| 18:22.04 | Nyle | only advantages mostly |
| 18:22.24 | dustybin | how long does it take to compile a kernel? |
| 18:22.25 | Nyle | strip it down, clean it out, use only modules you need for your hardware etc. and other stuff |
| 18:22.32 | Nyle | depends on your cpu resources |
| 18:22.37 | dustybin | ok |
| 18:22.55 | militant | reommendations for a good usenet client, and a free news server? |
| 18:22.58 | Flimzy | Is there any way to get bind to stop trying to query IPv6 addresses (that lead to "network unreachable" errors in syslog)? |
| 18:23.01 | Bracki | what does the "manfid" from cardctl ident tell me? |
| 18:23.02 | aronofsky | Nyle, actualy ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-686 is a prebuilt module, I aint got to build anything right ? |
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| 18:23.08 | Nyle | however, keep a spare 386 (or a working kernel) handy |
| 18:23.17 | dustybin | ok |
| 18:23.25 | Nyle | aronofsky i don't know |
| 18:23.26 | dustybin | militant im quite interested in that too |
| 18:23.29 | Bracki | is there an onlinedb somewhere to look it up? |
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| 18:23.37 | kjxxxx | nyle I have a stripped down kernel and limited resource |
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| 18:23.52 | Nyle | kjxxxx ok |
| 18:23.55 | rahul | dude |
| 18:23.59 | Nyle | you still need the kernel source |
| 18:24.02 | Nyle | rahul hi |
| 18:24.09 | rahul | crazy weekend |
| 18:24.10 | dustybin | whats the name of that cool small news client? |
| 18:24.17 | aronofsky | Nyle, why ? |
| 18:24.17 | Nyle | rahul I'll be seeing you in a month |
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| 18:24.22 | rahul | Nyle: cool |
| 18:24.57 | kjxxxx | I am running DSL on P133, 32M RAM, 2.2G Hard Drive |
| 18:25.13 | lokkju_wrk | can anyone give me some suggestions for bandwidth limiting exim outbound traffic on debian? is iptables best, or? if iptables, any good guides? I *just* need to limit exim to, say, 2Mbit/sec |
| 18:25.39 | petemc | lokkju_wrk: recent versions of exim do rate limiting |
| 18:25.41 | Nyle | i forgot about the package, but stew told me of a bandwidth reshaping software packaged in debian |
| 18:25.51 | lokkju_wrk | petemc, can't find it in the docs... got a link? |
| 18:25.56 | petemc | no |
| 18:25.59 | Nyle | you can try that as well, if i can find out the name of it |
| 18:26.12 | Nyle | rahul msg |
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| 18:26.23 | rahul | k |
| 18:26.24 | kjxxxx | Nyle. why do I need the kernel source? |
| 18:26.42 | Nyle | kjxxxx because what you are trying to compile is asking for it... |
| 18:26.52 | Nyle | kjxxxx you using DSL and asking for support in #debian |
| 18:26.58 | Nyle | thats kinda crazy |
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| 18:27.15 | kjxxxx | no. DSL is stripped down Debian |
| 18:27.30 | kjxxxx | that's my understanding |
| 18:27.34 | Nyle | no |
| 18:27.37 | Nyle | only debian is debian |
| 18:27.40 | Nyle | nothing else is debian |
| 18:27.55 | dustybin | i thought debian copied ubuntu? |
| 18:27.56 | rahul | there can be only one |
| 18:28.01 | rahul | !penixstrike dustybin |
| 18:28.01 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dustybin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:28.05 | Nyle | dustybin blashphemy~ |
| 18:28.10 | dustybin | heh ;o |
| 18:28.11 | Nyle | debian is there since like early 90s |
| 18:28.17 | Nyle | ubuntu is a copycat |
| 18:28.18 | rahul | dustybin: are you for real? |
| 18:28.19 | Nyle | if anything |
| 18:28.37 | mfrisch | rahul ignorance is born each day |
| 18:28.39 | dustybin | no im not for real! Ubuntu is the african word for "i cant install debian" |
| 18:28.41 | kjxxxx | Nyle: You were able to interprit the command |
| 18:28.49 | DocPlatypus | Oh no it's a Penix! |
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| 18:29.03 | concept10 | dustybin, get out of here with that crap |
| 18:29.05 | kjxxxx | which means the knowledge is general cross distro |
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| 18:29.06 | Nyle | kjxxxx I don't know anything about linux or computers |
| 18:29.10 | stew | Nyle: wondershaper |
| 18:29.15 | Nyle | stew hi, thank |
| 18:29.17 | dustybin | i find it quite amusing how much ubuntu is seriously hated amongst the linux community |
| 18:29.19 | stew | hi |
| 18:29.30 | Nyle | stew and i'll be seeing you too in a month :D |
| 18:29.49 | Gokee2 | I sshed to a fresh install stable debain computer with -Y and then tried to start a gui program and it said "kwrite: cannot connect to X server" why not? |
| 18:30.00 | mfrisch | -XD |
| 18:30.02 | mfrisch | -X |
| 18:30.15 | dustybin | u need to forward x with ssh -x |
| 18:30.20 | Nyle | !sshx |
| 18:30.20 | dpkg | somebody said sshx was Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 18:30.25 | wols | Gokee2: check your DISPLAY env variable |
| 18:30.41 | lokkju_wrk | petemc, not very helpful then, since exim.org doesn't have anything on it |
| 18:30.47 | dkr | militant, dustybin: pan is a very nice gui newsreader |
| 18:30.55 | dustybin | aye thanks! |
| 18:30.55 | mfrisch | wols I figured out my kernel whoas THANKS alot for the pointers! |
| 18:31.03 | Gokee2 | wols, What should it be? |
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| 18:31.04 | Nyle | rahul crap I been msgin you but i didn't identify |
| 18:31.05 | Nyle | hah |
| 18:31.10 | rahul | tool |
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| 18:31.16 | Nyle | i know |
| 18:31.23 | Gokee2 | -X does not work |
| 18:31.42 | aronofsky | last question about ipw2200 , what will hapen if I install ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-686 package wich will install ipw2200.ko in contrib directory whereas it is already in net dir , will it not be a conflict ? |
| 18:31.44 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 18:31.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:31.46 | rahul | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 18:31.46 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:31.47 | mfrisch | Gokee2 read the howto it need to be turned on the sever |
| 18:31.53 | mfrisch | server |
| 18:31.55 | Gokee2 | ok |
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| 18:33.01 | dustybin | ive installed pan, do any of u guys know of a free news server, usenet? or maybe some kind of debian news? |
| 18:33.23 | weggpod | error when upgrade my package, when it attempt to replace libc6 on debian sarge on sparc |
| 18:33.36 | xand | dustybin: you're ISP's maybe... and "you" not "u" |
| 18:33.40 | xand | *your |
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| 18:34.03 | dustybin | my isp is pipex |
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| 18:34.23 | aronofsky | will the conflict be managed by the package ? |
| 18:34.25 | Ronin | dustybin: pipex doesnt have its own usenet service? |
| 18:34.29 | dustybin | news.dsl.pipex.com |
| 18:34.37 | xand | dustybin: so what's the problem |
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| 18:35.10 | Nyle | i r l33t u nublar |
| 18:35.10 | dustybin | bare with me ive never ever used a news service before |
| 18:35.17 | militant | neither have i |
| 18:35.19 | militant | and i need to |
| 18:35.26 | Nyle | usenet is the bomb |
| 18:35.27 | xand | well... I have for years :D |
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| 18:36.06 | militant | good usenet client recommendation? (and my primary purpose is fetching video, mind you) |
| 18:36.14 | stickybit`_ | why the size of empty file is zero bytes? |
| 18:36.14 | stickybit`_ | !why the size of empty file is zero bytes? |
| 18:36.16 | dpkg | stickybit`_: what are you talking about? |
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| 18:36.46 | stickybit`_ | dpkg: about file size of empty file |
| 18:36.55 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:36.58 | Nyle | this is hilarious |
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| 18:37.30 | Ronin | dustybin: open pan and configure it to connect to your news server then |
| 18:37.34 | xand | stickybit`_: what kind of silly question is that? |
| 18:37.35 | eeos | how do you ask apt-get to install also recommended and suggested packages when you install a package? I cannot find anything in the man page. |
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| 18:38.02 | stickybit`_ | xand: this is not a silly question |
| 18:38.08 | eeos | I do not want to read the list and launch again apt-get install every time |
| 18:38.09 | aronofsky | what will hapen if I install ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-686 package wich will install ipw2200.ko in contrib directory whereas it is already in net dir , will it not be a conflict ? |
| 18:38.19 | Gokee2 | So does the sshd config come edited to do X forwording in testing and not in stable? |
| 18:38.19 | stickybit`_ | xand: empty file also has name... |
| 18:38.22 | xand | stickybit`_: why would an EMPTY file have a size greater than zero? |
| 18:38.31 | xand | the file name isn't stored in the file |
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| 18:38.50 | stickybit`_ | xand: then where does it get store? |
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| 18:38.56 | Nyle | Gokee2 afaicr it is enabled by default in sshd foncif |
| 18:38.58 | Nyle | config* |
| 18:38.59 | xand | the filesystem keeps track of that |
| 18:39.05 | fantasma | can someone please pastebin ``man make-kpkg''? |
| 18:39.21 | Nyle | fantasma google it |
| 18:39.22 | dustybin | i just pinged news.dsl.pipex.com |
| 18:39.27 | Stewy | Can someone tell me how to set up virtual hosts with apache2, i've followed this guide: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/virtualhosts.htm and it did not work for me. |
| 18:39.28 | dustybin | ping: unknown host www.news.dsl.pipex.com |
| 18:39.38 | xand | dustybin: then you didn't ping that. |
| 18:39.38 | fantasma | Nyle: I have tried that |
| 18:39.45 | xand | you pinged www.news.dsl.pipex.com |
| 18:39.50 | xand | there is no www. |
| 18:39.53 | eeos | how do you ask apt-get to install also recommended and suggested packages when you install a package? I cannot find anything in the man page. |
| 18:39.54 | eeos | I do not want to read the list and launch again apt-get install every time |
| 18:39.55 | dustybin | i tried that too |
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| 18:40.08 | xand | guess that address is wrong then |
| 18:40.20 | stickybit`_ | xand: ok but do you know where does it get store? |
| 18:40.28 | Gokee2 | Nyle, afaicr? |
| 18:40.30 | xand | dustybin: try news.pipex.com? |
| 18:40.35 | Nyle | as far as i can recall |
| 18:40.38 | xand | dustybin: or check on the pipex website... or google |
| 18:41.05 | Gokee2 | Nyle, Then why was it not in mine? |
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| 18:43.17 | weggpod | Someone can help me to install libc6 plase i have this error when i upgrade |
| 18:43.23 | weggpod | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5_sparc.deb (--unpack): |
| 18:43.23 | weggpod | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.30 | dustybin | Upgraded newsgroup access - Your newsgroup access has now changed! Your PIPEX service now offers you access to over 65000 newsgroups, and a generous 10GB monthly download allowance. If you use this allowance, you can buy more at any time. To access these newsgroups, you will need to change your computer settings. |
| 18:43.38 | Nyle | Gokee2 I think it was enabled by default. it is fairly trivial to do so yourself too. |
| 18:43.43 | Ronin | so thre you go dustybin |
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| 18:43.49 | dustybin | aye thanks :) |
| 18:43.52 | Nyle | !tell Gokee2 -about sshx |
| 18:44.10 | Nyle | hey man |
| 18:44.12 | rahul | heh |
| 18:44.17 | Nyle | I don't do man love |
| 18:44.19 | Nyle | get away! |
| 18:44.21 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:44.21 | rahul | \m/ \m/ |
| 18:44.26 | fantasma | can someone please pastebin ``man make-kpkg''? |
| 18:44.39 | Nyle | im not even on linux man sorry I can't |
| 18:44.43 | rahul | heh, my shoulder is not a tool of love |
| 18:45.01 | Nyle | well you're a guy, and you came inside the 3 foot bubble |
| 18:45.11 | rahul | the mosh pits in NYC are often more girls than guys, btw |
| 18:45.23 | Nyle | I go around punching random people in moshpits |
| 18:45.23 | dustybin | this is the pipex news server: nntp.dsl.pipex.com |
| 18:45.29 | Nyle | !ot |
| 18:45.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 18:45.30 | rahul | heh |
| 18:45.36 | Nyle | hah! got ya |
| 18:45.53 | Nyle | so anyway... fantasma how come you don't have the manpage yourself |
| 18:45.54 | rahul | the portable mosh pit is 1/3 linux |
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| 18:46.16 | rahul | Nyle: msg, btw. when? |
| 18:46.20 | Nyle | now? |
| 18:46.27 | Nyle | wait what? |
| 18:46.40 | rahul | when are you coming up? |
| 18:46.49 | Nyle | 2-3 weeks |
| 18:47.00 | rahul | no specific date set yet? |
| 18:47.03 | rahul | k |
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| 18:47.24 | concept10 | ian murdock has left the linux foundation to go work on open solaris .. |
| 18:47.46 | pstickne | cool |
| 18:48.00 | Nyle | well he can do what he wants |
| 18:48.07 | Nyle | concept10 whats goin on man |
| 18:48.22 | Nyle | concept10 I sold my bass, dunno if i told you |
| 18:48.34 | pstickne | :( |
| 18:49.03 | Nyle | yeh I am going to concentrate on the gee tah and try to become the shred master |
| 18:49.43 | Nyle | one day you'll see me on tv and stuff and read about me in magazines |
| 18:49.45 | abrotman | isn't there a channel where you can do all that wanking ? |
| 18:49.45 | Nyle | just you wait and see |
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| 18:50.19 | rahul | heh |
| 18:50.20 | Nyle | abrotwoman, yes there is |
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| 18:50.56 | jeward | dccifd is running on some of my systems... is that standard for sarge? |
| 18:51.00 | abrotman | such a funny, but oddly useless guy |
| 18:51.23 | Nyle | abrotwoman, funny indeed |
| 18:51.24 | concept10 | abrotman, who is that |
| 18:51.28 | Nyle | stoned |
| 18:51.29 | weggpod | Someone can help me to install libc6 plase i have this error when i upgrade |
| 18:51.31 | weggpod | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5_sparc.deb (--unpack): |
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| 18:51.34 | dustybin | pan is connected and fetching a shit load of groups :) |
| 18:51.34 | weggpod | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.43 | rahul | I didn't get stoned this weekend :\ |
| 18:51.56 | rahul | heh, elizabitch and I wanted to get stoned, tho |
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| 18:52.24 | dustybin | jesus heck, the groups list wont stop |
| 18:52.25 | Nyle | I would like to own a sparc machine |
| 18:52.45 | dustybin | 41500+ groups and counting |
| 18:52.46 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 18:52.53 | jeffrin | how are you all doing |
| 18:53.33 | weggpod | Nyle, yep and i would solve this problem |
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| 18:53.34 | smacnay | Hello, I just installed debian etch network and would like to get the m-a to install the nvidia drivers for my vid card. I did 'm-a a-i nvidia' and then did a 'dpkg -i /usr/src/nvidia-blahblah.deb'. However, when I rerun 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg', nvidia is not an option for a driver. |
| 18:53.35 | Nyle | concept10 it is stoned man |
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| 18:53.38 | Nyle | smacnay there is no need to install the resulting deb |
| 18:53.39 | concept10 | Nyle, what do you mean? |
| 18:53.42 | dustybin | smacnay: what happens if u: modprobe nvidia |
| 18:53.45 | Nyle | concept10 I AM him |
| 18:53.47 | Nyle | ffs |
| 18:53.55 | concept10 | LOL |
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| 18:53.58 | Nyle | gah! |
| 18:54.01 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 18:54.36 | fantasma | Nyle: Im not on debian right now |
| 18:54.41 | dustybin | 80000+ groups and counting!!! |
| 18:54.49 | Nyle | smacnay do what dustybin said and modprobe. no output == success |
| 18:54.59 | smacnay | dustybin: it is there - I can't run glxgears to make sure opengl is up and running, though. |
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| 18:55.05 | dragan | can anybody tell me how to find git-clone command on debian sarge. `apt-cache search` gives me "git - GNU Interactive Tools, a file browser/viewer and process viewer/killer" |
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| 18:55.27 | abrotman | i don't think git is on sarge |
| 18:55.32 | dustybin | smacnay just edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf yourself and change the driver to 'nvidia' |
| 18:55.48 | abrotman | dragan: you mean the VCS app ? |
| 18:56.02 | Nyle | dustybin if the module isn't loaded, it is still useless. however there is no need to, since if it is installed properly, it will show up in the list of drivers |
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| 18:56.24 | abrotman | dragan: backports.org |
| 18:56.25 | jeward | How can I find out why dccfid was installed if it wasn't done by me? |
| 18:56.29 | smacnay | dustybin: I was going to do that but was hoping to keep the install process intact. I can always go back to the install-script method after editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf, though. |
| 18:56.33 | abrotman | dragan: i believe that's what you're looking for |
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| 18:56.34 | dragan | abrotman: yes, i need get hold of some source code |
| 18:56.54 | abrotman | dragan: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 18:56.56 | fantasma | Nyle: hook me up with the manpage |
| 18:56.56 | Nyle | smacnay did you modprobe the driver module? |
| 18:57.00 | dragan | abrotman: i will check it out! |
| 18:57.09 | Nyle | fantasma I'm on windows. all my computers are packed up |
| 18:57.10 | dragan | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:57.21 | fantasma | Nyle: ah, it's alright |
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| 18:57.30 | Nyle | I would if I could buddy |
| 18:57.31 | concept10 | dragan, what about git-core |
| 18:57.44 | abrotman | concept10: on sarge ? |
| 18:57.45 | dustybin | on my mythtv box, /etc/modules has 'nvidia' on this list |
| 18:57.46 | smacnay | Nyle: yes - it is there. |
| 18:57.50 | abrotman | !info git-core sarge |
| 18:57.55 | jeward | How can I find out why dccfid was installed if it wasn't done by me? |
| 18:57.57 | weggpod | Someone can help me please ? |
| 18:58.02 | Nyle | smacnay and does it show in the drivers list now? in !drxx |
| 18:58.10 | abrotman | jeward: the other admin ? |
| 18:58.16 | dragan | conept10: i do not have it |
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| 18:58.26 | smacnay | dustybin: what are the other X11/xorg modules I need to load besides glx? |
| 18:58.36 | weggpod | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5_sparc.deb (--unpack): |
| 18:58.40 | concept10 | abrotman, oh yeah, they are in backports |
| 18:58.40 | weggpod | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.43 | jeward | abrotman: I mean, is there a way to trace what package required and installed it? |
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| 18:58.50 | dustybin | smacnay ill paste mine |
| 18:58.53 | Nyle | smacnay disable glcore and dri, load only glx |
| 18:58.54 | smacnay | Nyle: in !drxx? I am not sure what you mean? |
| 18:58.56 | Nyle | and other ones |
| 18:58.57 | Nyle | !drxx |
| 18:58.58 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 18:59.00 | smacnay | Nyle: thanks |
| 18:59.02 | Nyle | does it dhow in the list? |
| 18:59.05 | Nyle | show* |
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| 18:59.31 | insulina | hello, i am trying to configure a printer , now i am printig a test page , but nothing happen , can anyone help me ? i am using cups, parallel port are ok , cups server is up ... |
| 18:59.43 | jeward | abrotman: I guess I can try removing it and see what it complains about,. |
| 18:59.52 | dustybin | smacnay: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=1841 |
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| 19:01.01 | jeward | abrotman: i A dcc-common - Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse - common files |
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| 19:01.49 | dustybin | insulina: find out if your printer has been assigned a name by opening: /etc/printcap |
| 19:01.51 | concept10 | how does an ISP limit what you can see with top? How may I disable this? |
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| 19:02.07 | Nyle | what? |
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| 19:02.27 | Nyle | what does top have to do with your ISP? |
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| 19:02.36 | smacnay | dustybin: thanks - except for i2c, all of mine are the same. |
| 19:02.38 | ilyak_ | Hi everyone! |
| 19:02.43 | Nyle | hi |
| 19:02.51 | ilyak_ | I've got *tiny* letters in my audacity menus and stuff |
| 19:02.55 | concept10 | Nyle, I meant web host |
| 19:02.58 | Nyle | oh |
| 19:03.00 | insulina | dustybin: yes |
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| 19:03.09 | ilyak_ | Where can I change font size for wxwindows apps? |
| 19:03.16 | smacnay | Nyle: no such luck on seeing it in the drivers list. I only see nv. |
| 19:03.35 | concept10 | Nyle, I may only see the processes of the user im logged in under. They changed this. |
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| 19:04.04 | dustybin | insulina: send a test page using: lpr test.txt -P PRINTERNAME |
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| 19:06.38 | insulina | dustybin: nothing happen |
| 19:06.55 | dustybin | that means your driver isnt working |
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| 19:07.09 | smacnay | Nyle: I need nvidia-glx installed, do I not. Seems it is not right now. |
| 19:07.30 | dustybin | mine works with: lpr test.txt -P HP_LaserJet_1020_USB_1 |
| 19:07.42 | dustybin | remember u need to create test.txt obviously! |
| 19:08.07 | Nyle | yes you do |
| 19:08.26 | Nyle | you need nvidia-glx of course |
| 19:08.26 | militant | hmmm. vlc plays .wmv files but doesn't actually show the video output? |
| 19:08.42 | Nyle | militant mplayer + w32codecs > * |
| 19:08.48 | insulina | dustybin: how can i see what is not working , var/log/cups , doenst have anything |
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| 19:09.16 | dustybin | i think u need to go back from the beginning and install all the drivers |
| 19:09.19 | militant | mplayer isn't in the apt-cache? |
| 19:09.25 | Nyle | !dmm |
| 19:09.25 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 19:09.25 | dustybin | hold on ill find what i used |
| 19:09.42 | Nyle | read it, follow it, find mplayer repositories and install |
| 19:10.34 | Nyle | of course if a wmv is DRM'd you won't be able to play it regardless of what you use |
| 19:10.37 | dustybin | insulina: what model printer u got |
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| 19:11.03 | insulina | hp 820 Cxi deskject , port parallel |
| 19:11.26 | Nyle | !info hpoj |
| 19:11.30 | dpkg | hpoj: (HP OfficeJet Linux driver (hpoj)), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.91-12 (sid), Packaged size: 445 kB, Installed size: 1332 kB |
| 19:11.38 | Nyle | hmm |
| 19:11.47 | Nyle | I stopped buying hp printers a while ago |
| 19:11.56 | insulina | dustybin: but i use the 820C driver , on linuxprinter page it says that is compatible |
| 19:12.03 | militant | Nyle thanks mang. hooking that business up now |
| 19:12.10 | dustybin | mines a usb printer so my guide will not work |
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| 19:12.17 | Nyle | mang? |
| 19:12.20 | Nyle | mango? |
| 19:12.22 | abrotman | !info printconf sarge |
| 19:12.23 | tok3n | hey how do i start proftp? |
| 19:12.24 | dustybin | u need to search google for parellel port installation |
| 19:12.29 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 19:12.29 | smacnay | thanks - that worked. |
| 19:12.43 | Nyle | tok3n I would assume /etc/init.d/proftpd start|stop|reload etc. |
| 19:12.52 | Nyle | tok3n I use vsftpd and that only |
| 19:13.14 | abrotman | jeward: ah .. |
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| 19:15.43 | msingh | i just did apt-cache search *something* .. and now if i want to look at more details i have to either type or paste apt-cache show package. How crap is this? |
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| 19:16.12 | dkr | msingh: use a gui packagae manager such as synaptic if yuo want to avoid typing |
| 19:16.17 | msingh | it is 2007, we should have done away with this stream of bytes crapiness of unix a long time ago |
| 19:16.19 | karsten | msingh: apt-cache search <something> | awk '{print $1}' | xargs apt-cache show |
| 19:16.37 | karsten | msingh: That stream of bytes crappiness is damned useful sometimes. |
| 19:16.41 | msingh | dkr, nope, i dont want to start a seperate gui app |
| 19:16.53 | Nyle | msingh alias show='apt-cache show' - then 'show packagehere' perhaps... why is it crap |
| 19:16.55 | dkr | msingh: well, you can't have your cake and eat it too |
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| 19:17.05 | fantasma | how can I view a list of config options for a specific kernel? |
| 19:17.05 | karsten | msingh: Or my own pref generally: apt-cache show $( apt-cache search <something> | awk '{print $1}')|less |
| 19:17.14 | t0k3n | its not working |
| 19:17.22 | karsten | fantasma: /boot/config-<kernelversion> |
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| 19:17.25 | Nyle | make aliases in bashr |
| 19:17.26 | Nyle | c |
| 19:17.31 | msingh | i should be able to put my mouse on a particular line - and have it show me some more info somewhere else |
| 19:17.36 | t0k3n | [15:16:10] No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it. |
| 19:17.50 | fantasma | karsten: I was hoping for a website of somesort =\ (Im not on linux atm) |
| 19:17.50 | karsten | fantasma: .. if it's stock debian or built via make-kpkg. |
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| 19:18.03 | karsten | msingh: That calls for terminal smarts. |
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| 19:18.10 | karsten | fantasma: packages.debian.org |
| 19:18.15 | msingh | karsten, you actually type all of that, really? |
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| 19:18.26 | fantasma | karsten: ah, didn't think to check there thanks |
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| 19:18.36 | karsten | msingh: yes. Enough that it's in my shell history and I recall it with C-r. |
| 19:18.38 | msingh | karsten, yep. we are still stuck in the 1970s :( |
| 19:18.39 | Nyle | msingh make some fucking aliases in bashrc and quit crying FFS |
| 19:18.44 | Nyle | jeez |
| 19:18.48 | karsten | msingh: If it's too much for you, you can write an alias or shell function. |
| 19:18.57 | PxM | Hi. a question [ot]: Can Beryl run on debina with a 3dfx voodoo 5??? |
| 19:19.06 | msingh | karsten, shell programming is incomprehensible to me |
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| 19:19.12 | karsten | msingh: It also helps to be able to type 90 wpm or so. |
| 19:19.15 | Nyle | PxM beryl documentation has info on supported cards |
| 19:19.20 | Nyle | PxM #beryl |
| 19:19.27 | PxM | Nyle: thnks very mcuh |
| 19:19.30 | Nyle | sure |
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| 19:19.46 | fantasma | does debian require an initrd image for a kernel to boot? |
| 19:19.49 | Nyle | karsten 90? damn dude |
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| 19:20.08 | karsten | ms apt-show-search () { apt-cache show $( apt-cache search $* | awk '{print $1}' ) | less; } |
| 19:20.14 | sepski | fantasma, the debian prebuilt kernels uses a initrd yes |
| 19:20.15 | karsten | msingh: ^^ |
| 19:20.18 | msingh | karsten, dude, i'd rather copy paste than type that monstrosity you just typed |
| 19:20.27 | Nyle | i can't type that fast, but I can shred away on geetah at like 16th note triplets on 160bpm :D |
| 19:20.41 | Nyle | and higher too, but damn, 90wpm |
| 19:20.43 | karsten | msingh: Drop that in your .bashrch. Now run "apt-show-search <some list of terms>" and you'll automatically get a full package description. |
| 19:20.49 | fantasma | sepski: I'm talking about in general, is an initrd image required? |
| 19:20.50 | karsten | geetah? |
| 19:20.53 | Nyle | guitar |
| 19:20.57 | karsten | erm. .bashrc. |
| 19:20.59 | cellofellow | if I want to install a whole bunch of packages that I manually downloaded (actually copied from /var/cache/apt in another computer) can I just put them in /var/cache/apt and use aptitude to install them? |
| 19:21.06 | dexomsrc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.23 | Nyle | cellofellow dpkg -i *.deb ? |
| 19:21.32 | sepski | fantasma, that depends on the kernel. if you include everything you need to boot inside the kernel a initrd is not needed |
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| 19:21.34 | karsten | cellofellow: dpkg is more the tool for that. |
| 19:21.45 | cellofellow | ok |
| 19:21.46 | PeterC | Could someone recommend a good music server that also works with Windows Media Player (which is the only one allowed at work) |
| 19:21.50 | sepski | fantasma, but that's only if you build your own kernels |
| 19:21.57 | msingh | karsten, hmm, ok that seemed to have worked |
| 19:22.03 | Nyle | PeterC what do you mean server? like streaming? |
| 19:22.17 | Nyle | like a shout/ice cast server? |
| 19:22.19 | abrotman | icecast/shoutcast |
| 19:22.23 | fantasma | sepski: thanks |
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| 19:22.42 | karsten | msingh: C'mon, I wanted to hear you bitch one more time! |
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| 19:23.15 | Nyle | heh |
| 19:23.15 | PeterC | Nyle: Yes |
| 19:23.16 | msingh | karsten, heh, well there is one shortcoming. it will show each package that matched - and if you search term is sufficiently general this could take you a long time. |
| 19:23.22 | gmcinnes | Hi gurus. I need to add the bnx2 module to the netinst installer so I can get support for my ethernet card to do a netinst. Anyone point me to resources on how to do that? |
| 19:23.23 | karsten | msingh: Sounds like a personal problem ;-) |
| 19:23.31 | gmcinnes | Or, anyone know themselves? |
| 19:23.37 | msingh | karsten, putting a mouse over a line and showing details would be much better |
| 19:24.00 | Nyle | msingh cli is not for you then, try synaptic or some such crap |
| 19:24.14 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know which file permiisions (UNIX) apache2 needs to be satisfied and not report 403 Access denied?? |
| 19:24.20 | RvGaTe | why do the nvidia-glx and the nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 dont match driver versions... this makes it kinda useless becouse they need to match do they? |
| 19:24.33 | msingh | nah i dont want a gui |
| 19:24.33 | karsten | msingh: That's why having a large shell history (I generally use 3000 lines), and knowing how to use both reverse-incremental-search (C-r) and commandline editing (generally readline) is damned useful. |
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| 19:24.42 | xingu | snow in mid march, could this day get any weirder? |
| 19:24.53 | msingh | karsten, you should write a tutorial |
| 19:24.54 | nivansonu | In RC1 the net installer could not install unstable and you had to use the businesscard. Is this the same for RC2? |
| 19:24.57 | Nyle | sleet in nyc, I am waiting for it to melt before I go |
| 19:25.05 | Nyle | yes, and i march |
| 19:25.07 | Nyle | :( |
| 19:25.09 | Nyle | in* |
| 19:25.16 | msingh | karsten, i would read such a thing. my knowledge of how to navigate around unix's crapiness is not very good |
| 19:25.16 | karsten | msingh: I do a lot of repetitive work across a cluster of hundreds of systems. Fortunately it's a shared home mount. So some 200+ characters worth of typing might only be a dozen or so keystrokes, much of that the sudo password. |
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| 19:25.22 | karsten | msingh: I've written several. |
| 19:25.23 | fantasma | it's March where you live? |
| 19:25.34 | msingh | karsten, nice. |
| 19:25.45 | karsten | msingh: It's _not_ crappiness. Far from it. It's a steep learning curve with a high payoff function thoguh. |
| 19:26.03 | spike | hi. I've rolled my own kernel with make-kpkg. I've tried to use m-a to rebuild the nvidia module but it's a no go, it fails on mod-post saying it's not licenced under GPL... which is true indeed but then what's the way out? |
| 19:26.04 | Nyle | hey if you want to piont and click go back in windows |
| 19:26.05 | karsten | msingh: UNIX Power Tools (O'Reilly) is an excellent tutorial / introduction to the power of shell. |
| 19:26.11 | msingh | karsten, mate i was just looking at some screenshots of lisp-machines from the 80's. They had features like this back then.. |
| 19:26.16 | karsten | msingh: ... though a lot of it's very dated. |
| 19:26.24 | Nyle | get a copy of vista, make yoru desktop look good and ogle it, whack off to if if you want |
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| 19:26.29 | asg | karsten: and also useful for keeping your blanket safely anchored on a windy day |
| 19:26.31 | Nyle | hmph, unix crappyness |
| 19:26.33 | Nyle | bah |
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| 19:26.49 | militant | did alsa-base, alsa modules for this kernel, did alsaconf, checked alsamixer. still gnome won't let me turn volume up, resets to 0 ? |
| 19:26.50 | karsten | msingh: You can write stuff like that, *if* you have integrated smarts everywhere. The problem is that A needs to know what B is doing, for large values of A and B. |
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| 19:27.11 | karsten | asg: Well, one corner. You'd need four copies at that. |
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| 19:27.20 | asg | karsten: that's what the Bat book is for |
| 19:27.27 | msingh | karsten, yeh the unix model is widespread. thats more of a problem than a virtue really |
| 19:27.38 | karsten | msingh: Dunno if you're a mac fan, but "quicksilver" is really just "shell, reloaded". |
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| 19:28.00 | msingh | karsten, nope, i havent really used macs. what features does quicksilver give you? |
| 19:28.16 | karsten | msingh: _The Unix Programming Environment_, Kernighan and Pike. Laying out the basic Unix philosophy. |
| 19:28.33 | karsten | msingh: Shell, without the power, polish, and innate usefulness. It's mostly an input-only solution. |
| 19:28.38 | concept10 | imho, there is no better system than UNIX.. eevrything else is ass backwards |
| 19:28.45 | Nyle | indeed |
| 19:28.58 | Nyle | I think, it means something |
| 19:28.59 | asg | concept10: and for things that are ass backwards, there's always tac(1) |
| 19:29.04 | concept10 | people get familiar with windows and then you come to unix and think its strange |
| 19:29.04 | msingh | karsten, ah ok. nah i dont want a cripped shell. I want a powerful one, better than a unix one |
| 19:29.08 | karsten | msingh: There are also more novel shells (eg: zsh) and terminal apps (eg: GNOME-Terminal, possibly Konsole (KDE's term)) which do some of what you're looking for. |
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| 19:29.20 | Nyle | uni == universal, unified. X == whatever you want, so basically it is unified anything |
| 19:29.27 | Nyle | hehe, ok then word |
| 19:29.32 | concept10 | zsh is the best thing that has happened to me |
| 19:29.37 | karsten | msingh: The n:m relationships issue is a really hard one. It's what's going to shoot Microsoft's Monad down (one-ball jokes notwithstanding). |
| 19:29.40 | msingh | concept10, why is that? |
| 19:29.43 | Nyle | nah, invader zim is the best |
| 19:30.02 | karsten | Nyle: Uni pleXing Operating System ==> UNIX OS |
| 19:30.05 | msingh | sorry karsten but what is the n:m relationship? |
| 19:30.09 | concept10 | msingh, using that shell is fun, it does all types of stuff |
| 19:30.17 | karsten | msingh: many-to-many. |
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| 19:30.31 | msingh | hmm. okay |
| 19:30.32 | karsten | msingh: Pipes are essentially one-to-one. One process writes to one process that reads. |
| 19:30.50 | concept10 | you guys should look at this video about unix from 20 years ago: http://video.google.com/url?docid=-167233195342018803&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=unix&vidurl=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-167233195342018803%26q%3Dunix&usg=AL29H20wdT11rtRQwYXoz02PHtOc8rgjqA |
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| 19:31.04 | abrotman | stdin stdout |
| 19:31.06 | RvGaTe | anyone ? |
| 19:31.08 | concept10 | its funny |
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| 19:31.18 | karsten | msingh: You can work around some of that with parenthetical subshells and scripting tools (I get a hell of a lot of mileage from awk, others use perl, python, ruby. |
| 19:31.21 | karsten | ). |
| 19:31.36 | msingh | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/X-peek.gif |
| 19:31.43 | msingh | ^ screenshot of a lisp machine |
| 19:31.47 | karsten | abrotman: Nothin beats the good ole 'in & 'out. |
| 19:31.59 | abrotman | karsten: beer? |
| 19:32.10 | karsten | abrotman: ENOBEER |
| 19:32.53 | abrotman | guess you're stuck with 'in/'out |
| 19:33.27 | msingh | well that was back then. but now if you try the SLIME environment - you can for example click on an array and inspect its values |
| 19:33.40 | karsten | "And will UNIX become the next MS-DOS?" |
| 19:33.55 | concept10 | thats funny |
| 19:33.55 | msingh | i can imagine that an apt-cache search <x> - would similarly be clickable and inspectable |
| 19:34.16 | msingh | but sadly we are stuck in the unix frame of mind :( |
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| 19:34.37 | karsten | msingh: http://artlung.com/smorgasborg/C_R_Y_P_T_O_N_O_M_I_C_O_N.shtml |
| 19:34.41 | karsten | msingh: Read that. |
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| 19:34.55 | Nyle | its a good video |
| 19:35.11 | Nyle | haha cryptonomicon lol |
| 19:35.22 | Nyle | I bought a copy of the necronomicon when I was 15 |
| 19:35.25 | karsten | Nyle: ITBWTCL |
| 19:35.26 | militant | any ideas guys? alsa found the SiS audio card on the gf's lappie and configd it, everything looks fine as far as i know, but it's still not working. google is just telling me to do what i've already done |
| 19:35.30 | concept10 | karsten, that video reminds me of my childhood, when my dad used to take me to work, and I would see the disks on the reels and 8'' floppies, punchcards and terminals everywhere. I had no idea what that was |
| 19:35.34 | Nyle | !ITBWTCL |
| 19:35.34 | concept10 | at the time |
| 19:35.38 | Nyle | hmmm |
| 19:35.43 | Nyle | karsten what dude? |
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| 19:35.56 | msingh | karsten, wanna try SLIME? |
| 19:36.01 | karsten | dpkg: ITBWTCL is In the Beginning Was the Command Line (http://artlung.com/smorgasborg/C_R_Y_P_T_O_N_O_M_I_C_O_N.shtml ) |
| 19:36.02 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 19:36.14 | Nyle | haha |
| 19:36.27 | karsten | !unix philosophyu |
| 19:36.28 | karsten | !unix philosophy |
| 19:36.29 | dpkg | unix philosophy is, like, http://www.scarynetworkguy.net |
| 19:36.33 | karsten | msingh: ^^ as well. |
| 19:37.20 | MadDwarf | got a problem: just downloaded Etch netinstall, burned to CD and installed ... all seemed to go ok, set up asked me a few questions, which i answered, including settign desktop resolution to 1024x768. then etup rebooted, ejected CD and started Debian. Lots of text scrolling past ... comes to end, starts X ... and the screen goes all funny! looks like resolution is out, even though it should be in a res the monitor can cope with. |
| 19:37.21 | MadDwarf | screen is still shot! black'n'white lines/pattern ... no way to alter any thing ... |
| 19:37.29 | msingh | karsten, http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/unix-haters.html :) |
| 19:37.44 | karsten | MadDwarf: <ctrl><alt><F1> |
| 19:37.52 | karsten | msingh: I've got a coppy. |
| 19:38.12 | cellofellow | I wonder if I could set up some sort of p2p distributed APT system for my LAN. Have each computer serve up its /var/cache/apt as a repo and if computerA wants to install something computerB already did, it will download it from computerB instead of the internet repos. Can this be done? |
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| 19:38.20 | concept10 | they say unix is the greatest software ever written |
| 19:38.23 | MadDwarf | i did that, karsten - i could see it was meant to be a terminal, but screen was shot |
| 19:38.37 | Nyle | nah |
| 19:38.44 | Nyle | Doom 2 was the greatest software ever written |
| 19:38.44 | karsten | cellofellow: NFS, CIFS (Samba) |
| 19:38.45 | Nyle | they lie! |
| 19:38.46 | msingh | karsten, can i PM you? |
| 19:38.59 | karsten | MadDwarf: You should be able to fix that from cons. |
| 19:39.05 | karsten | msingh: make it short. |
| 19:39.06 | MadDwarf | cons? |
| 19:39.22 | tp76 | MadDwarf: you mean C-M-F1 did not bring up a working console? |
| 19:39.31 | tp76 | (or Ctrl+Alt+F1 if you prefer) |
| 19:39.44 | MadDwarf | ctrl-alt-f1 (f2, f3, f4) brought up a console, but the display was shot |
| 19:39.45 | bilsta | where can i see the ip address that have/attempted to logon to my box ? |
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| 19:39.53 | tp76 | MadDwarf: what do you mean "shot"? |
| 19:39.54 | abrotman | bilsta: logon how ? |
| 19:39.56 | asg | bilsta: /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:39.58 | bilsta | via ssh |
| 19:40.07 | abrotman | auth.log |
| 19:40.08 | MadDwarf | i shall explain screen: |
| 19:40.13 | karsten | bilsta: 'last', auth.log, 'w' (current users). |
| 19:40.37 | abrotman | karsten: last shows the ones that suceeded |
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| 19:40.54 | msingh | karsten, have you read UHH? |
| 19:41.01 | abrotman | karsten: do you use postfix ? |
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| 19:41.13 | asg | msingh: he said he had a copy |
| 19:41.14 | karsten | msingh: Several times. |
| 19:41.17 | MadDwarf | booting was ok, could read text fine ... then X tried to start .. the screen turned to lots of colours in a grid, possibly representing what was meant to be there, but all corrupted and no way to see proper display. |
| 19:41.18 | karsten | abrotman: exim4 |
| 19:41.43 | tp76 | MadDwarf: that's in X, but are you or are you not able to switch to a console? |
| 19:41.47 | MadDwarf | screen was kinda grid, in same res as text, but all horiz. and vert lines, close together and coloures |
| 19:41.53 | bilsta | thanks you |
| 19:41.55 | msingh | asg, yes i have some books i have yet to read |
| 19:41.55 | karsten | msingh: It's a lot of criticisms, some valid, some very, very, very dated, many from folks who'd previously used the ITS (lisp boxes) at MIT. |
| 19:42.34 | MadDwarf | when i press alt-ctrl-f1/2/3/4 i get a similar corrupt display , but in black'n'white with "blurring" ? where the exisitnig text (logon prompt etc) should be |
| 19:42.47 | msingh | karsten, yeah! and it is very funny how they describe the move from LispM's to unix :) |
| 19:42.51 | MadDwarf | it looks like the onsole is thre, but the display is corrupt |
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| 19:43.01 | asg | msingh: the Unix Administration Handbook from prenhall also has some good perspective pieces on what is and isn't good about Unix. |
| 19:43.17 | concept10 | Nyle, I learn from watching those old school videos the philosophy behind how Mac OS X controls windows. When you close a window on mac, the application is still running.. this is because of some legacy thinking of steve jobs. He thought that the new systems are powerful (meaning multi-tasking) so the windows should only close, not stop the app. This sucks to me. (but I don't use a mac) |
| 19:43.52 | Nyle | well I have a mac |
| 19:43.55 | Nyle | I use sarge on it |
| 19:43.58 | Nyle | its very nice |
| 19:44.02 | tp76 | MadDwarf: ok, so you're not able to bring up a working console. Can you remotely log into this system (assuming you chose to run sshd)? |
| 19:44.15 | MadDwarf | no remote access |
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| 19:45.29 | tp76 | Well, then boot the CD again and choose "shell" (or whatever the menu item is called). That should allow you to mount the partition where you installed Etch and edit xorg.conf. If that sounds scary, try Ubuntu instead ;-) |
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| 19:45.55 | MadDwarf | i did, ubuntu does exactly the same ! 8o) |
| 19:45.59 | tp76 | MadDwarf: anyway, even if X is misconfigured, you should still be able to get a working console *shrugs* |
| 19:46.09 | tp76 | MadDwarf: so, perhaps you've got some bad hardware. |
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| 19:46.40 | MadDwarf | i am now runing a Windows install (swapped HDD) on same PC/monitor in higher res |
| 19:46.52 | concept10 | i wonder if bill joy still uses vi |
| 19:47.08 | tp76 | MadDwarf: what video card is this, BTW? |
| 19:47.12 | asg | concept10: notepad.exe |
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| 19:47.16 | MadDwarf | nvidia 6600 |
| 19:47.25 | abrotman | does the vesa driver work ? |
| 19:47.43 | tp76 | MadDwarf: should work fine (using both the vesa and nv driver), AFAIK. |
| 19:48.01 | tp76 | I know both do on my 7600GT. |
| 19:48.02 | MadDwarf | i can edit xfree86config-4 from CD-boot, if i know what edits to make .... |
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| 19:49.02 | concept10 | heh, at the end of that old video, the guy says "unix is an user-hostile environment" |
| 19:49.09 | MadDwarf | i can try lowering/highering default resolution for X ... the text during booting looks fine, till X starts |
| 19:49.17 | asg | concept10: nah, it just cares who its users are |
| 19:49.19 | tp76 | MadDwarf: Section "Device" \n Identifier "your-video-card" \n Driver "nv" \n EndSection. Might try Driver "vesa" if it's not already using it. |
| 19:49.45 | karsten | !tell MadDwarf about drxx |
| 19:49.48 | MadDwarf | i think it uses nv, i shall try swapping vesa/nv. |
| 19:50.16 | spike | so, anybody got a clue about nvidia module and module-assistant? and dont point me at the factoid 'cause it *does't* work |
| 19:50.30 | MadDwarf | does etch use Xorg ? |
| 19:50.40 | asg | MadDwarf: yes |
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| 19:51.04 | MadDwarf | any other suggestions before i start physically swapping hdd? |
| 19:51.20 | helo | power down |
| 19:51.25 | MadDwarf | lol good plan |
| 19:51.34 | tp76 | MadDwarf: yes, don't start X automatically. At least then you can boot your system and fiddle with the configuration. |
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| 19:52.10 | MadDwarf | ok tp ... can you tell me where to stop X auto-statring? |
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| 19:53.10 | tp76 | MadDwarf: by removing S21gdm from /etc/rc2.d (or see update-rc.d) |
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| 19:53.51 | MadDwarf | cool, thanx for help. |
| 19:54.04 | michael117 | what can I enter to view a log of commands entered via ssh session and their outputs? |
| 19:54.05 | MadDwarf | i'll let you know how it goes 8o) |
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| 19:54.30 | tp76 | MadDwarf: just "mv S21gdm disabled-S21gdm" or something so you can restore it later. |
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| 19:54.58 | abrotman | michael117: cat .bash_history |
| 19:54.58 | odla | does anyone know a good how-to for setting up a bootsplash for debian? |
| 19:55.35 | MadDwarf | S21 gdm is a file? sry, thought you meant it is a entry in a file ... |
| 19:56.03 | spike | it's actually down to this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411949 |
| 19:56.10 | spike | anybody got a clue how to solve that? |
| 19:56.22 | tp76 | MadDwarf: yes, it's a symlink to gdm in /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:56.24 | michael117 | abrotman: What about the output given from that as well? |
| 19:56.40 | michael117 | abrotman: the output the computer gave from the commands? |
| 19:56.40 | tp76 | MadDwarf: BTW, I'm assuming you're running GNOME. |
| 19:56.56 | abrotman | michael117: no |
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| 19:57.56 | MadDwarf | yes, good call, do not delete file - remane/move. ok, think i got it ... swap vesa/nv in xorg.conf, swith resolution, stop X auto-boot, ... i beleive Etch defaults to gnome, yes - haven't had chance to see/choose yet |
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| 19:59.31 | tp76 | MadDwarf: then "/etc/init.d/gdm start" to try your new configuration. When it works, rename the file back to the original. |
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| 20:01.31 | odla | what package provides the kernel sources? |
| 20:01.33 | odla | kernel-headers? |
| 20:02.13 | h3sp4wn | {kernel,linux}-source |
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| 20:02.22 | MadDwarf | ok, time to give it a go. thanks tp76 , and everyone. back in a bit, for better or worse 8o) |
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| 20:03.26 | tp76 | apt-get source doesn't work? |
| 20:03.36 | tp76 | Good luck ;-) |
| 20:04.49 | Nyle | itm ight now work if you don't have a deb-src repos. |
| 20:04.53 | Nyle | might/will |
| 20:04.58 | Nyle | umm so duh |
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| 20:06.05 | Mooi_ | "Unresolved symbol: xf86ExecX86int10" << what does this mean? I can't load the nvidia drivers when starting x |
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| 20:10.28 | smacnay | hi, I want to use /opt for all programs I compile from outside the debian repository, is there one flag on the ./configure script that will allow me to put that app in opt? |
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| 20:11.38 | karsten | smacnay: That will vary by program. There's typically a way to specify install target, but you'll have to read build instructions and/or Makefiles. |
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| 20:12.57 | tp76 | Try ./configure --help |
| 20:13.02 | h3sp4wn | smacnay: --prefix |
| 20:13.26 | smacnay | karsten: I see lots of options for /lib and other directories. |
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| 20:17.26 | Gokee2 | Is there a easy way to get firefox 2.0 in stable (icesomething) |
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| 20:17.53 | Nyle | iceweasel |
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| 20:17.59 | Nyle | !info iceweasel sarge |
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| 20:18.31 | Nyle | <dpkg> Package 'iceweasel' does not exist. |
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| 20:18.57 | Nyle | i ddin't spell it right more than likely |
| 20:19.02 | Noah0504 | What is a good console email application that would have support for GMail (POP3)? |
| 20:19.07 | bartden | hi, i keep getting these annoying messages during boot, udevd-event[5359]: run_program: exec of program '/sbin/udev_run_devd' failed any ideas |
| 20:19.20 | rahul | assweasel |
| 20:19.27 | Gokee2 | iceweasel is right |
| 20:19.29 | rahul | Nyle: iceweasel was introduced in etch |
| 20:19.34 | Nyle | ok |
| 20:19.37 | Nyle | so backport it |
| 20:19.38 | rahul | and I need a nap |
| 20:19.50 | tp76 | Gokee2: yes, wait for Etch to become stable ;-) |
| 20:19.51 | valdyn | Noah0504: all new gui email applications do, traditional unix applications rely on something like fetchmail for this |
| 20:19.55 | karsten | smacnay: Again, it's going to vary by project. Usually there's a top-level setting you can specify though. YMMV |
| 20:20.02 | Gokee2 | tp76, Other then that |
| 20:20.04 | Nyle | or just download firefox from mozilla and extract |
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| 20:22.22 | iamtheric | hey nima, i got my media kit from sun today |
| 20:23.17 | deny[all] | how can i change an eth1 to eth0? |
| 20:23.44 | karsten | OMG. "Optical Computers" news ... from 1985. |
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| 20:25.22 | Gokee2 | Where are programs normally installed? |
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| 20:27.01 | tp76 | In /usr. |
| 20:27.29 | Gokee2 | Thanks |
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| 20:31.13 | militant | so, i plugged in my usb gamepad and it came up, recognized it. do i have to create /dev/js0 or something? |
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| 20:32.41 | militant | oh |
| 20:32.42 | militant | nvm |
| 20:32.44 | militant | duh |
| 20:32.48 | militant | it's already in /dev/input |
| 20:33.12 | spyroboy | if I wanted to give a user root privilages |
| 20:33.17 | pstickne | what is the best way to set a system-wide ulimit? |
| 20:33.19 | spyroboy | as unsecure as it is |
| 20:33.22 | spyroboy | how do I do that? |
| 20:33.28 | spyroboy | I added the user to the root group |
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| 20:33.32 | spyroboy | but that didn't seem to work. |
| 20:33.35 | pstickne | is there anything in /proc to change? |
| 20:33.48 | pstickne | spyroboy, consider sudo |
| 20:33.55 | karsten | Gokee2: Defined by FHS. Binaries are in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin (admin). Binaries required to boot are in /bin or /sbin. /usr/local is your own space to manage. I generally symlink /opt to /usr/local/opt/ |
| 20:34.00 | spyroboy | pstickne, naw naw, without sudo |
| 20:34.14 | spyroboy | pstickne, really, security doens't count for anything in this situation |
| 20:34.26 | pstickne | spyroboy, many programs check for UID == 0 as root |
| 20:34.39 | spyroboy | mm |
| 20:34.55 | bknitram | Is there a way to mount something (a disk image..) w/o root privlages? |
| 20:35.03 | Gokee2 | karsten, Is it ok to put firefox in /usr/lib/firefox? |
| 20:35.04 | karsten | pstickne: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 20:35.15 | pstickne | karsten, thanks! :) |
| 20:35.28 | karsten | Gokee2: Not recommended. |
| 20:35.37 | Gokee2 | karsten, Where then? |
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| 20:35.45 | bknitram | Or change permissions on a folder that has something mounted to it. |
| 20:35.52 | karsten | Gokee2: Debian manages /usr. *YOU* manage /usr/local/ Put locally-installed programs under /usr/local (or /opt). |
| 20:36.07 | spyroboy | pstickne, thanks |
| 20:36.09 | h3sp4wn | Gokee2: I would put it in /opt/firefox (its statically linked) |
| 20:36.13 | karsten | !tell bknitram about vfatrw |
| 20:36.15 | karsten | bknitram: Yes. |
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| 20:36.30 | karsten | bknitram: Tell us more about what you're mounting and the filesystem involved, or man mount. |
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| 20:36.43 | dav_ | elo |
| 20:36.45 | Gokee2 | What permitions should I give it? |
| 20:36.48 | Gokee2 | 755? |
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| 20:37.09 | dav_ | i cant find any good doc to make wifi adhoc network ... cld someone help me ? |
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| 20:37.15 | peoro | hi |
| 20:37.24 | dav_ | just give ma a link to find a real good doc |
| 20:37.46 | h3sp4wn | Gokee2: untar it as root - then so something like ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox (thats all you need to do) |
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| 20:40.12 | pstickne | hmm, limits.conf doesn't support a maximum memory size? (I just see rss) |
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| 20:40.59 | dav_ | howto make adhoc wii networks on debian ? |
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| 20:41.23 | mortal | dav_: utfg |
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| 20:42.13 | dav_ | mortal, what s that ??? |
| 20:42.23 | mortal | use the f*ing google :) |
| 20:42.26 | mortal | really |
| 20:42.30 | pstickne | I see memlock and `as' as well, but don't know what they mean :( |
| 20:42.39 | dav_ | mortal, can't find anythong valuable on google really |
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| 20:42.47 | maddwarf | exit |
| 20:42.52 | toxik` | lol.. |
| 20:42.57 | militant | hmmmm |
| 20:43.01 | militant | i wonder if this is due to nvidia |
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| 20:43.23 | pstickne | which utility is responsible for reading/setting up /etc/security/limits.conf? |
| 20:43.32 | militant | snes emulator plays fine in a quarter-screen window, but is very choppy in a larger window. |
| 20:43.36 | peoro | why there's no xorg 7.2 in unstable repositories yet? |
| 20:43.39 | toxik` | pstickne: the kernel, most probably |
| 20:43.45 | Gokee2 | cool |
| 20:43.58 | pstickne | toxik`, I'm trying to find documentation on the different options and what exactly they mean |
| 20:44.06 | lunitik | peoro: because Debian has to maintain it on arch's that X.org doesn't support |
| 20:44.09 | toxik` | pstickne: Hrm, seems to be pam. |
| 20:44.20 | peoro | mh |
| 20:44.25 | peoro | ok |
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| 20:45.27 | odla | and because etch is to be released soon and is under freeze |
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| 20:46.03 | peoro | unstable should be sid, i think |
| 20:46.13 | odla | sid is unstable |
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| 20:46.34 | odla | but ... they won't introduce xorg 7.2 in sid until etch is released |
| 20:46.59 | peoro | mh |
| 20:47.22 | pstickne | debian almost always lags from "bleeding edge"... just be patient :) |
| 20:47.43 | odla | you can run sid with packages from experimental if you want a broken system |
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| 20:48.00 | tp76 | If you want a broken system, just run Windows. |
| 20:48.05 | pstickne | even the PAM documentation doesn't explain `as' vs `memlock' :( |
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| 20:49.23 | FernandoMM | Hello, could someone tell me where are the kdelibs located on debian? |
| 20:49.40 | MadDwarf | hi, i've managed to sort out my corrupt display by using vesa graphics drivers ... but I need to get nvidia 3d working. is the download on nvidia site any good, or where should i look? |
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| 20:50.21 | odla | FernandoMM: dpkg -L kdelibs |
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| 20:50.31 | MadDwarf | i am running a new etchy with nvidia6600 |
| 20:51.47 | FernandoMM | odla: i just get the docs and bug path |
| 20:52.26 | h3sp4wn | pstickne: It doesn't always |
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| 20:52.31 | pstickne | h3sp4wn, well, made some changes... now time to test ^^ |
| 20:52.35 | odla | FernandoMM: then you're interested in another package i'd say |
| 20:52.43 | militant | !tell MadDwarf nvidia |
| 20:52.45 | militant | is that how it works? |
| 20:52.55 | militant | guess not |
| 20:53.15 | abrotman | !tell militant about msg the bot |
| 20:53.28 | FernandoMM | odla: i guess i found it on /usr/lib/kde3 but somehow it is not readble by a normal user, only root can read it. Is it normal? |
| 20:53.35 | militant | MadDwarf there's a one-liner for xfree/nvidia |
| 20:53.35 | x_link | Is it good to use Preload Instances? |
| 20:53.39 | MadDwarf | i can't see tells, forgot command 8o( |
| 20:53.52 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:53.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 20:54.04 | abrotman | FernandoMM: what are you trying to do |
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| 20:54.21 | streuner | MadDwarf: etch |
| 20:54.35 | FernandoMM | abrotman: trying to compile a program that i made with qt designer. |
| 20:54.39 | Miesco | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 20:54.47 | Miesco | How do I make that message go away |
| 20:55.16 | abrotman | FernandoMM: apt-cache -- search kde -dev |
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| 20:55.38 | HostilePenguin | how did i go mad dwarf |
| 20:55.41 | HostilePenguin | it |
| 20:56.06 | MadDwarf | i'm still reading, hostile ... will let ya know |
| 20:56.10 | FernandoMM | abrotman: what do you mean with that? |
| 20:56.15 | abrotman | FernandoMM: apt-cache -- search kde -dev |
| 20:56.43 | HostilePenguin | you havent got etch yet? |
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| 20:57.30 | MadDwarf | i have etchy ... i managed to con it into booting a gui, and am now looking to get 3d working |
| 20:57.30 | Gokee2 | Is there a pkg of a bunch of common kde programs? |
| 20:57.48 | HostilePenguin | very good |
| 20:57.52 | odla | what the heck is etchy? |
| 20:58.03 | odla | is that a disease? |
| 20:58.14 | FernandoMM | abrotman: i have done it and i have kde-devel installed |
| 20:58.16 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 20:58.17 | dpkg | it has been said that install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 20:58.28 | abrotman | FernandoMM: what file is it complaining about? you might need libqt3-dev |
| 20:58.39 | gmcinnes | hi all. I'm using the etch rc2 installer, but its complaining about no modules for the kernel. any ideas? |
| 20:58.40 | Gokee2 | thanks |
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| 20:59.25 | FernandoMM | abrotman: whenever i use something from kde on qt designer i get something like this ( using pastebin, just a moment ) |
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| 20:59.41 | abrotman | stop using KDE/Qt ? |
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| 21:00.08 | FernandoMM | abrotman: there are some things that only kde can offer. |
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| 21:00.39 | abrotman | 14MB executables ? |
| 21:00.49 | FernandoMM | abrotman: here it is http://pastebin.ca/402309 |
| 21:01.09 | FernandoMM | abrotman: no, some special widgets |
| 21:01.16 | abrotman | -L/usr/share/qt3/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib/kde3/ -lqt-mt -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread |
| 21:01.19 | abrotman | that seems .. wrong to me |
| 21:01.28 | abrotman | is there a -L missing in there ? |
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| 21:03.04 | FernandoMM | abrotman: now things have changed a little http://pastebin.ca/402314 |
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| 21:04.00 | xand | what /dev is the floppy drive? (on etch/2.6.18) |
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| 21:04.03 | odla | blah blah ... compiling a kernel takes so long |
| 21:04.14 | xand | odla: don't do it then :P |
| 21:04.29 | odla | xand: i wanted to add a few things |
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| 21:08.15 | abrotman | FernandoMM: Qt sucks .. can't help you there :) |
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| 21:08.45 | abrotman | xand: /dev/fd0 or /dev/floppy |
| 21:08.53 | rvalles | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/m68k/ch05s01.html.en#m68k-boothd-amiga |
| 21:09.08 | rvalles | it refers to a tool called StartInstall |
| 21:09.08 | xand | abrotman: what if I have neither? |
| 21:09.14 | rvalles | but... where do I find it? |
| 21:09.25 | xand | I assume it's not related to /dev/fd which is a directory |
| 21:09.30 | abrotman | xand: you don't have a driver for your floppy drive ? |
| 21:09.31 | rvalles | in the mirrors there is the kernel, the initrd... and this tool isn't anywhere. |
| 21:09.58 | xand | abrotman: well, does the debian 2.6.18 have it missed? :P |
| 21:10.00 | xand | erm, missing |
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| 21:10.20 | xand | ffs all this bloody parting and joining |
| 21:10.21 | abrotman | mine works athome |
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| 21:10.31 | xand | neither of my etch boxes have /dev/fd0 |
| 21:10.40 | abrotman | though maybe someone was doing /j dcc crap |
| 21:10.48 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 21:10.54 | abrotman | modprobel floppy ? |
| 21:10.59 | abrotman | but spell it correctly |
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| 21:11.27 | xand | that didn't create anythign |
| 21:11.51 | xand | will it be there if no drive is detected? |
| 21:11.59 | xand | I guess the drive could be disabled in the bios |
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| 21:14.06 | abrotman | it could |
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| 21:22.19 | techsavant | whats the command I can use to see what architecture the system is? |
| 21:22.36 | dkr | uname -a |
| 21:22.47 | techsavant | thanks! |
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| 21:22.56 | petemc | or cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 21:24.04 | h3sp4wn | techsavant: uname -m |
| 21:24.46 | abrotman | dpkg-architecture |
| 21:25.00 | hark | arch |
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| 21:26.09 | toxik` | DCC SEND StartkEYLOGGER on the rising again? |
| 21:26.29 | hark | ha |
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| 21:27.18 | abrotman | that's great |
| 21:27.22 | alindeman | Hmmm |
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| 21:36.52 | SeicherlBoB | Hi! I have a crashed system after loss of power supply. now at startup i get a message to check the filesystem. but e2fsck tells me that the superblock is corrupt. what shall i do? please someone help me |
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| 21:37.35 | ilyak_ | SeicherlBoB: As far as I know, filesystems have multiple superblocks |
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| 21:38.12 | ilyak_ | SeicherlBoB: see -b option of e2fsck |
| 21:38.13 | SeicherlBoB | ilyak_: fsck offers me to use e2fsck -b 8193 ... no clue if i should use that one |
| 21:38.24 | ilyak_ | try that :) |
| 21:38.39 | SeicherlBoB | can i tell it to only check the superblock? |
| 21:38.54 | Cillian | Hey, when trying to torrent debian testing CD ISO for x86, the first CD, I get (From bittorrent) "Aborting the torrent as it was rejected by the tracker while not connected to any peers. Message from the tracker: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." |
| 21:39.12 | SeicherlBoB | ilyak_: cause the partition is 240 GB... |
| 21:39.59 | Cillian | Same error with the DVD |
| 21:40.23 | abrotman | you sohuld have it check the whole thing |
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| 21:45.39 | militant | guys, my gf LOVES debian. |
| 21:45.45 | militant | she's creaming her panties over it |
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| 21:46.55 | Rydekull | ... right |
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| 21:47.23 | David_BE | hey, may i ask a noobish question? i have installed i386 version of debian etch on a dual core amd 64 x2 processor, so now i have kernel 486 or something, what should i do to use both kernels? |
| 21:47.58 | streuner | Pastor123: don't spam us! |
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| 21:48.24 | abrotman | David_BE: both kernels? |
| 21:48.29 | streuner | David_BE: edit your bootloader config file? |
| 21:48.33 | jelly-home | both cores probably |
| 21:49.14 | David_BE | euh both cores indeed |
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| 21:50.20 | David_BE | how can i edit my bootloader config file, en what's to be done? |
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| 21:50.48 | dkr | David_BE: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:51.06 | helo | haha, as if that is helpful at all to him... |
| 21:51.13 | SeicherlBoB | , |
| 21:51.34 | SeicherlBoB | ups... sorry, wrong keyboard |
| 21:51.36 | dkr | well, i just switched to the channel, I work my way backwards with questions. :) |
| 21:51.38 | streuner | you need to learn about your bootloader in any case, so just start now |
| 21:52.17 | dkr | actually, just running update-grub shoul dbe sufficient, if th newly instaleld kernels put the images in /boot |
| 21:52.38 | streuner | http://wiki.debian.org/GrubConfiguration? |
| 21:52.53 | David_BE | ok, but what kernel should i install to use both cores, now only 1 core is used |
| 21:54.02 | streuner | well, new kernels in etch use SMP be default |
| 21:54.08 | dkr | David_BE: you need an smp kernel |
| 21:54.21 | streuner | David_BE: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:54.31 | streuner | and 'cat /proc/version' |
| 21:54.55 | David_BE | Linux version 2.6.18-4-486 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-11) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 Wed Feb 21 15:25:16 UTC 2007 |
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| 21:55.30 | streuner | just grep the kernel config file via grep about 'smp' |
| 21:55.52 | David_BE | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:56.23 | streuner | its surely enabled |
| 21:56.54 | streuner | HOW do you know that only one core is active, anyway? |
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| 21:57.19 | h3sp4wn | David_BE: Is this 2 real cores or hyperthreading (hyperthreading needs a 686 kernel) |
| 21:57.20 | David_BE | well, i looked into processmanager |
| 21:57.28 | helo | check cat /proc/cpu |
| 21:57.39 | helo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.54 | helo | see if there are 2 processors listed |
| 21:57.58 | David_BE | david@david-debian:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:57.58 | David_BE | processor : 0 |
| 21:57.58 | David_BE | vendor_id : AuthenticAMD |
| 21:57.58 | David_BE | cpu family : 15 |
| 21:57.58 | David_BE | model : 75 |
| 21:57.58 | David_BE | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ |
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| 21:59.05 | streuner | just paste that stuff into paster bot |
| 21:59.07 | streuner | !paste |
| 21:59.08 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 21:59.36 | streuner | there should be mentioned 'processor :1' |
| 21:59.47 | WALoeIII | David_BE: I'm having a similar issue, since they merged the kernels my celeron shows up as hyper-threading capable |
| 21:59.52 | David_BE | k i pasted it |
| 21:59.57 | WALoeIII | which I know its not, it works but its just strange |
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| 22:00.20 | helo | david_BE: you have to give us the link to it so we can pull it up... i think... |
| 22:00.27 | David_BE | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5752 |
| 22:00.29 | WALoeIII | and my uname shows SMP but its records it getting released in bootlog |
| 22:00.49 | helo | well that's definately not being utilized as SMP.... |
| 22:01.08 | David_BE | under applications>system>proces, there is only one core that points a graph |
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| 22:02.52 | David_BE | witch kernel do u use waloelll? |
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| 22:06.09 | linux3 | ok i got a big problem that maybe someone here can fix. well when i close my laptop lid for a while and then reopen it the system complains that i am out of ram and closes applications |
| 22:06.13 | linux3 | and then i have to reboot it |
| 22:06.38 | linux3 | any ideas? is it possible that there is a script that is running that could be causing the use of all my ram |
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| 22:09.26 | Gokee2 | http://rafb.net/p/jid43010.html <-- can someone tell me how I can fix this to install the three pkg`s that are needed? This is a stable debian install using backports for kde and xorg |
| 22:09.35 | abrotman | linux3: is it trying ot sleep? |
| 22:09.40 | SeicherlBoB | what can i do to find out why a device is busy when i try to unmount it? |
| 22:09.48 | linux3 | abrotman: nope |
| 22:09.57 | abrotman | !tell Gokee2 about overwrite |
| 22:10.01 | linux3 | abrotman: it just uses up all the ram |
| 22:10.01 | abrotman | SeicherlBoB: fuser or lsof |
| 22:10.27 | linux3 | abrotman: this is the same machine that when i used to close the laptop lid the system would stop doing anything untill i opened it back up. and it wasn't sleeping then either |
| 22:10.42 | linux3 | i believe that it using all the ram was the cause of that as well |
| 22:10.44 | Gokee2 | Always a bug? |
| 22:10.52 | abrotman | Gokee2: not in your case |
| 22:10.54 | linux3 | but then it freeded it when i reopened the lid |
| 22:10.58 | linux3 | not anymore however |
| 22:11.12 | Gokee2 | abrotman, Always means "in every case".... :) well |
| 22:11.16 | SeicherlBoB | abrotman: lsof showed me the bash and the lsof command cause i was running it from that device (which is /home). how should i use fuser? |
| 22:11.20 | abrotman | i'd just set the acpid lid action to do nothing |
| 22:11.29 | abrotman | fuser -c /home .. i think |
| 22:11.31 | abrotman | or -m |
| 22:11.42 | linux3 | abrotman: yeah im gonna try that out next. i will tell you if it helps |
| 22:12.08 | Gokee2 | Awsome thanks abrotman :) |
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| 22:12.36 | calamari | hi |
| 22:12.42 | phaedral | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.53 | phaedral | this is on a three-day old etch install |
| 22:12.59 | SeicherlBoB | abrotman: both dont return anything (no line of output) |
| 22:13.06 | boredandblogging | is there a channel for asking about packaging java apps for debian? |
| 22:13.18 | abrotman | SeicherlBoB: that's why it's busy |
| 22:13.22 | SeicherlBoB | abrotman: ah... the shell was in /home... of |
| 22:13.26 | SeicherlBoB | hehe.. yeah |
| 22:13.26 | abrotman | boredandblogging: #debian-java on OFTC |
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| 22:13.29 | Einsteinium | boredandblogging: you mean writing your own .deb packages ? |
| 22:13.36 | Einsteinium | comprised of java files? |
| 22:13.41 | SeicherlBoB | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 22:13.54 | abrotman | no problem |
| 22:13.55 | boredandblogging | Einsteinium, yes |
| 22:13.58 | calamari | is it possible to get a minimal install of debian (something along the lines of debootstrap) with an install? Or is that the default? I cannot remember |
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| 22:14.07 | petemc | phaedral: /sbin/init might be what you're after, what are you tryng to do? |
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| 22:14.46 | phaedral | petemc: just wanna turn off gdm at boot, which I could do manually, but I'm accustomed to using the gui... |
| 22:14.58 | phaedral | will try /sbin/init |
| 22:15.03 | petemc | no, dont |
| 22:15.07 | phaedral | ... :) |
| 22:15.25 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.54 | phaedral | wow |
| 22:16.09 | phaedral | thanks a bunch; would've gone round in circles for ages |
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| 22:17.19 | linux3 | how come there is no public key on any of the debian servers anymore? |
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| 22:18.14 | David_BE | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 this did the trick |
| 22:19.05 | Cillian | linux3: PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 22:19.52 | phaedral | to make sure I understand what the wise dpkg tells me, just apt-get remove gdm is fine? |
| 22:20.13 | odla | phaedral: to remove gdm...yes |
| 22:20.27 | odla | phaedral: why do you want to remove gdm? |
| 22:20.36 | Nyle | dm==bad |
| 22:20.43 | rainabba | Trying to get Xen 3.0.3 up and running on Etch Amd64. I've found that I don't have (but need) a network bridge which relies on veth0. The xen network scripts don't appear to create it when I expect. Is this more an OS issue or Xen specific? If OS, how do I create veth0? |
| 22:20.54 | calamari | the installation guide says I need at least 32mb of ram. is that just because of the kernel, or something else? |
| 22:21.03 | calamari | (I only have 16mb in this laptop) |
| 22:21.07 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: You need to edit /etc/xen/xend-config.sxp |
| 22:21.23 | phaedral | odla: switching back and forth on the kvm seems to affect what resolution it offers me; seems easier to just issue startx when I'm actually ready to do X stuff on that box |
| 22:21.47 | odla | phaedral: ok |
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| 22:22.20 | Cillian | calamari: I'd expect the kernel to take a whole lot less than 16 megs, considering modified versions run on embedded devices |
| 22:22.20 | dromer | can someone help me change the default theme for phpsysinfo? I kind of forgot (and can't find) how to do it :# |
| 22:22.23 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 22:22.24 | Gokee2 | How do i find out what pkg is providing a command for me? |
| 22:22.31 | Nyle | er.. |
| 22:22.33 | Nyle | calamari http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 22:22.33 | Cillian | As for userspace, I have no idea how little the installer will run on |
| 22:22.46 | Nyle | install can run on 16mb |
| 22:22.49 | Nyle | even less |
| 22:23.14 | Nyle | i think |
| 22:23.33 | Nyle | Gokee2 what do you mean? like apt-file? |
| 22:23.34 | h3sp4wn | 666666 |
| 22:23.38 | h3sp4wn | (sorry) |
| 22:23.47 | Nyle | !tell Gokee2 -about search |
| 22:24.25 | karsten | Gokee2: man dpkg specifically |
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| 22:24.47 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: I think I found the issue in that file (network-script network-dummy) should be (network-script network-bridge). Yah? How do I enforce that change now (restart a service or just start the vm, or other) ? |
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| 22:25.12 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: You want both of them |
| 22:25.26 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: just unhash the (network-script network-bridge) line |
| 22:25.33 | calamari | Cillian, Nyle: thanks |
| 22:25.38 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: restart xend |
| 22:25.41 | calamari | what the heck.. I want to try it :) |
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| 22:26.56 | Gokee2 | I don`t see anything in man dpkg about it |
| 22:27.29 | Gokee2 | ah but dpkg says iwconfig is in net/wireless-tools |
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| 22:28.24 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: So when I restart xend, should veth0 show up with ifconfig? |
| 22:28.26 | Nyle | Gokee2 its fairly easy to search |
| 22:28.28 | Nyle | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=iwconfig&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 22:28.41 | Nyle | you should try and pay attention to what dpkg tells you |
| 22:28.46 | Nyle | for real. |
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| 22:29.46 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: Depends on your hardware config (mine if veth1) and I have peth0 |
| 22:29.50 | Gokee2 | I did not want to go to the debian site |
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| 22:30.05 | Gokee2 | apt-file looks like it work work but using the bot seems faster |
| 22:30.07 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: xen-br0 is the important one though (the naming of the others isn't really) |
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| 22:31.10 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: Assuming I restarted xend (xend restart), I see no change. I'm trying to verify now how to restart a service with Debian (I've been a Fedora guy to date and that method isn't working). |
| 22:31.14 | Gokee2 | How do I make sure a module never gets loaded at bootup? In this case bcm43xx its not in /etc/modules and yet it still loads at bootup |
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| 22:31.35 | calamari | is there something like tomsrtbt (one floppy) for debootstrap? |
| 22:31.40 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: fedora doesn't have /etc/init.d ? |
| 22:31.57 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: /etc/init.d/xend restart |
| 22:31.59 | Nyle | !tell Gokee2 -about blacklist |
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| 22:32.42 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: In Fedora I would "service xend restart", I'll use init.d, ty. |
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| 22:33.29 | Gokee2 | Nyle, Awsome thanks |
| 22:33.48 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: Not really used it extensively since it was redhat 6.2 |
| 22:33.51 | Nyle | oyh fuck |
| 22:33.52 | Nyle | sorry |
| 22:33.59 | Nyle | sorry thats some stupid fucking mirc thing thats loaded |
| 22:34.01 | Nyle | totally my bad |
| 22:34.03 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: Now Iv'e restarted xend for sure and still don't see any new devices with ifconfig (eth0, eth1, eth2, and lo) |
| 22:34.09 | Nyle | my bad my bad!! |
| 22:34.47 | Nyle | god I hate windows, and my bro won't let me install linux on this thing and my computers are packed up |
| 22:35.06 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: using ifconfig -a ? |
| 22:35.22 | Nyle | Gokee2 welcome |
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| 22:35.58 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: Ahh. Now I do see sit0 and vif0.0. The latter is the one I need right? |
| 22:36.11 | twobitsprite | psst: it's "daylight saving time", not "daylight saving/s/ time".... |
| 22:36.35 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: I dunno what you will see without some domU's up |
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| 22:37.53 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: Ok. That's another challenge itself. Can't actually get domU up because I get "Error: Device 5696 (vbd) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working." I'm asking for help in #xen, but it'd dead right now. |
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| 22:38.13 | math | hello, i cant make an fat16 filesystem on my usb-disk, i have looked in to the manual, but with fdisk -l its still fat32 :/ |
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| 22:39.16 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: Sounds like you are trying to load a pae kernel on a non pae hypervisor / dom0 kernel or vice versa |
| 22:39.21 | math | i tried: mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/sda1 but it makes fat32 |
| 22:39.58 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: Are you using xen-tools with a debian domU also ? |
| 22:40.18 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: Sounds about right, a) How did you know based on that message? b) How do I go about getting a pae hypervisor? |
| 22:40.25 | Nyle | math http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 22:40.31 | Nyle | that might help |
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| 22:40.39 | math | Nyle: ok |
| 22:41.03 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: Haven't used xen-tools yet. Got a hvm file from someone. The tools totally ellude me so far (I am a vmware guy and I'm used to GUI or eiting a text-file) |
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| 22:41.06 | Nyle | math 4.4.2.1. USB stick partitioning on Intel x86 |
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| 22:41.45 | frex | can someone tell me what to do if I get a "stopped" error during playback? |
| 22:41.46 | Nyle | heh |
| 22:42.02 | Nyle | since I have no more linux on any computer here I occupy myself with reading debian manuals |
| 22:42.03 | Nyle | :D |
| 22:42.28 | frex | anyone? |
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| 22:42.44 | Vasistha | I'm trying to get pulseaudio working in --system mode, but I keep getting "Connection failure: Access denied" when attempting to connect. Is this something I should even bother asking here? #pulseaudio is pretty quiet ... and I'm just about ready to revert back to esd |
| 22:42.46 | Nyle | frex what dude? |
| 22:43.01 | Vasistha | frex: playback of what? what's playing it? |
| 22:43.06 | frex | mplayer is giving me an error "stopped" |
| 22:43.22 | frex | while trying to download/play any media type |
| 22:43.25 | Vasistha | frex: what is it playing? And... ask #mplayer |
| 22:43.37 | frex | both windows + real media |
| 22:43.43 | math | Nyle: with fdisk -l it still says it is fat32... |
| 22:43.47 | Nyle | looks like you don't have w32codecs |
| 22:44.00 | Nyle | math I dunno why it would say that.. but it should work |
| 22:44.05 | Nyle | regardless |
| 22:44.05 | math | hmmk |
| 22:44.21 | Nyle | frex you have w32codecs installed |
| 22:44.28 | Nyle | ? |
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| 22:45.10 | frex | Nyle, I believe I do have them installed |
| 22:45.19 | frex | it was working perfectly for a while |
| 22:45.24 | frex | but suddenly stopped |
| 22:45.25 | Nyle | math use cfdisk and see in there, or make a partition in cfdisk and chose the partition type for f16 when it gives you the list |
| 22:45.32 | frex | for unknown resaons |
| 22:45.33 | Vasistha | frex: let's check it... dpkg -l w32codecs |
| 22:46.15 | Vasistha | frex: it should show "ii" at the beginning of the line, followed by w32codecs, and a valid version number |
| 22:46.31 | frex | ii w32codecs 20060611-0.0 win32 binary codecs |
| 22:46.35 | frex | you mean like that? |
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| 22:47.06 | Nyle | frex do mplayer blah.avi or something in console and look at the output |
| 22:47.15 | Nyle | also consult with #mplayer |
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| 22:48.20 | frex | Nyle: I can't do that as I don't have a test.avi file |
| 22:48.26 | Vasistha | frex: yeah, that looks pretty good, although I've got version 20061022, and it looks like that's the only version available at http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/ ... perhaps you need an update? |
| 22:48.27 | Nyle | just anything man |
| 22:48.46 | Nyle | frex point is to see the ouput of mplayer in console while you play something |
| 22:48.48 | Vasistha | frex: oh, well you can probably download the avi directly with wget |
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| 22:48.52 | Gokee2 | I just installed linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 and now m-a is telling me "/use/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!" why does it not like the header pkg I just installed? |
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| 22:49.20 | Nyle | Gokee2 m-a prepare satisfies build depends |
| 22:49.30 | jelly-home | frex: are you trying to play a remote url? |
| 22:49.32 | Nyle | like kernel source build-essential etc. |
| 22:49.45 | Nyle | unfoncigured kernel source eh |
| 22:50.57 | frex | jelly-home: yes, I am trying to play a remote file |
| 22:50.57 | Gokee2 | Nyle, I ran that before getting the kernel source myself after running that and then trying to install ndiswrapper |
| 22:50.58 | Nyle | hmm |
| 22:50.58 | Nyle | my lower back is killing me |
| 22:50.58 | jelly-home | frex: you might want to download it first, or use a larger cache |
| 22:50.58 | Nyle | I hate this chair |
| 22:50.58 | Vasistha | Gokee2: did you copy your kernel config from /boot ? |
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| 22:50.58 | Gokee2 | if I run it now it says "E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-k7" I think I know why.... I need newer m-a |
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| 22:51.01 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, no |
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| 22:51.58 | Vasistha | Gokee2: I have very little experience here, so my advice here might be no good. However, in my little experience, one needs to copy /boot/config-2.6.18-4-k7 to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/.config if the latter .config does not exist |
| 22:52.01 | Nyle | ow! |
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| 22:52.34 | Vasistha | Nyle: I usually get a small, solid pillow to use as lumbar support :P |
| 22:52.37 | frex | jelly-home: it was working perfectly previously. What has gone wrong? |
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| 22:52.50 | Nyle | you pc is now possessed |
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| 22:52.56 | Nyle | consider exorcism |
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| 22:52.58 | frex | jelly-home: downloading isn't the solution if the files are intended to be streamed |
| 22:53.10 | enderxim | sorry for being the n00b but this channel has a reputation for helpfulness... is there any way to quickly fix the "acpi: unable to turn cooling device [device] on" message every six seconds? |
| 22:53.10 | frex | jelly-home: it doesn't seem possible to download |
| 22:53.11 | Vasistha | frex: but it's a good way to test and troubleshoot!! |
| 22:53.26 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: Google isn't helping at all, could you point me in a productive direction to learn/fix this PAE issue? Do i have to recompile my kernel to support it, edit the domU config file to disable/enable, or what? |
| 22:53.35 | frex | Vasistha: are you suggesting I find a test file? |
| 22:53.44 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, hmmm ok |
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| 22:53.53 | Nyle | frex google video and find a small movie file sampe |
| 22:54.00 | Nyle | download it and test it out |
| 22:54.05 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: If its not a debian domU I cannot really help you |
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| 22:54.30 | Vasistha | frex: well, yes, we have been suggesting that ... a couple of us have suggested that several times ;-) |
| 22:54.45 | Nyle | Vasistha nice sanskrit name |
| 22:54.56 | Nyle | Vasisth actually |
| 22:54.59 | Nyle | but whatever |
| 22:55.08 | Vasistha | Nyle: thanks ... I was inspired to use it after reading Vasistha's Yoga |
| 22:55.28 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: It's not :( |
| 22:55.31 | Nyle | I don't understand why the western world appends an 'a' at the end of sanskrit words |
| 22:55.37 | Nyle | its not even pronouced like that |
| 22:55.40 | Nyle | meh |
| 22:55.49 | Vasistha | Nyle: I'm fairly certain we've had this conversation before... |
| 22:55.55 | Nyle | we have? |
| 22:57.10 | Nyle | I will make a linux distro based on debian called Doobian or maybe Bongian |
| 22:57.11 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 22:57.16 | Nyle | *GRIN* |
| 22:57.36 | Nyle | ahh yes I remember Vasistha I did talk to you about that |
| 22:57.40 | Nyle | doh |
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| 22:57.59 | Nyle | hah, man I have not been high in a week and I feel retarded |
| 22:58.03 | Vasistha | Nyle: heh, yeah, it's been some months... |
| 22:58.12 | Nyle | I can't wait for this to pass so I can be normal again |
| 22:58.19 | frex | Results of my test: http://pastebin.ca/402550 |
| 22:58.21 | Nyle | I've never went this long without pot on purpose |
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| 22:58.47 | rainabba | h3sp4wn: Can you tell me how you interpreted that error? |
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| 22:58.52 | Nyle | bbl |
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| 23:00.00 | Vasistha | Nyle: [Tue Jul 11 2006] [18:40:11] that's Pacific Daylight Time, UTC-0700 I think |
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| 23:00.36 | wols | enderxim: disable acpi perhaps? |
| 23:00.41 | wols | acpi=off |
| 23:01.11 | enderxim | wols: doesn't seem to work for anybody else (it's a common problem it appears), but i will give it a try |
| 23:01.15 | rainabba | Where do I find a definitive document that outlines how a domU config should be built (all the options and requirements)? |
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| 23:01.27 | Miles_Prower | "I can't find the name of your HOME directory" <-- any idea why this keeps popping up in my console? signs point to php, but I'm not sure. |
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| 23:02.26 | frex | Vasistha: Results of my test: http://pastebin.ca/402550 |
| 23:02.35 | frex | not sure what to do.... |
| 23:02.39 | frex | pffft |
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| 23:03.05 | wols | enderxim: if all else fails: use a kernel without acpi |
| 23:03.17 | hackmiker | hi how do i upgrade gnome? |
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| 23:03.25 | iamtheric | nima, you want that solaris 11 release candidate? |
| 23:03.32 | wols | enderxim: I was wrong. it's "noacpi" as a kernel parameter IIRC |
| 23:03.45 | wols | hackmiker: like everything else: apt-get upgrade |
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| 23:03.56 | hackmiker | wols, ok |
| 23:04.09 | Gokee2 | I tried copying the config from boot but it did not seem to like that I uninstalled the headers and let prepare install them itself and that also did nothing. m-a prepare says everything is great but m-a a-i ndiswrapper still says "Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use." |
| 23:04.31 | Vasistha | frex: the relevent line, of course, is line 19 in your paste. I've seen that error before, about the avisynth ... you've definitely got a codec problem. |
| 23:04.49 | frex | hmmm |
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| 23:05.00 | Gokee2 | I got m-a and build-ess from backports |
| 23:05.03 | Vasistha | frex: it may be that the web site you are looking at has changed their encoding, and it might serve you to update your w32codecs |
| 23:05.04 | frex | Vasistha: this is strange because it was working perfectly before |
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| 23:05.24 | frex | Vasistha: how to update w32codecs? |
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| 23:05.45 | Vasistha | frex: want to give me a link? I'll see if it plays for me ... unless it's private or something :P |
| 23:05.49 | wols | frex: like any other deb |
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| 23:05.57 | nima | iamtheric, /msg me |
| 23:06.06 | enderxim | wols: thanks |
| 23:06.13 | frex | Vasistha: it's not working for any media files at all |
| 23:06.21 | enouf | wols: no you were correct the first time .. it's acpi=off .. the noapci is only for pci= |
| 23:06.21 | Vasistha | frex: you do have debian-multimedia.org in your sources.list, right? If that's so, it should be as simple as an apt-get or aptitude update+upgrade |
| 23:06.31 | enouf | er noacpi* |
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| 23:06.47 | Gokee2 | Anyone have any idea what I can do to fix m-a? |
| 23:06.48 | frex | here is one: http://service.real.com/learnnav/testrams/realvideo10_56.ram |
| 23:06.50 | enouf | wols: there is however a noapic ;-) |
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| 23:08.16 | enouf | Gokee2: use dlocate for local files/packages .. use apt-file for non-installed . dpkg -L is nice but dlocate uses locate's indexed db .. and depends on updatedb(cron.daily) |
| 23:08.41 | intruder_ | what do you think of dd to duplicate dvd's ? |
| 23:08.41 | enouf | Gokee2: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 23:09.05 | Gokee2 | enouf, no |
| 23:09.06 | frex | Vasistha: running apt-get upgrade now |
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| 23:09.20 | Gokee2 | I am using 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 23:09.38 | Vasistha | frex: ahha ... well, realvideo 10 is pretty new, isn't it? I don't know if codecs are available for it yet, or if they're in debian |
| 23:09.41 | vix | can someone recom. a ftp client/archiving software that does sequential backup automatically |
| 23:09.42 | enouf | Gokee2: have you /msg dpkg m-a already? |
| 23:10.33 | Gokee2 | enouf, No, but I just did and it did not tell me anything new |
| 23:10.41 | frex | Vasistha: it was working perfectly until very recently |
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| 23:10.44 | enouf | Gokee2: cat /proc/version says what? |
| 23:10.57 | frex | Vasistha: it also isn't working for win media files either |
| 23:11.01 | dererk | which was the keybind to insert a literal on vim ? |
| 23:11.05 | Gokee2 | Linux version 2.6.18-4-k7 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-10~bpo.1) (nobse@backports.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Mon Feb 5 17:45:20 CET 2007 |
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| 23:12.59 | Vasistha | frex: hmm, well my sound is broken right now, but I've got a picture. Again, as we've all been recommending to you -- upgrade your packages! Have you tried that yet? |
| 23:13.07 | dererk | :| |
| 23:13.08 | Gokee2 | And yes after thinking about it I remembered I should also install m-a and build-essential from backports.... Wait do I need to get the linux-headers from backports? I had not thought of that |
| 23:13.17 | enouf | ok .. and you just installed it? I'm guessing a bit here too .. so .. take this with a note of caution .. try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) .. and/or .. symlink /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build to /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 23:13.19 | dererk | I can't believe nobody remembers it :( |
| 23:13.24 | Vasistha | dererk: I dunno about vim, but I know in bash it's ctrl+v |
| 23:13.36 | enouf | Gokee2: doh .. and duh |
| 23:13.46 | dererk | perfect! |
| 23:13.51 | dererk | Vasistha, ++ |
| 23:13.53 | dererk | thanks |
| 23:13.55 | Vasistha | np |
| 23:13.57 | amphi | dererk: yeah, ctrl-v in vim too |
| 23:14.02 | mfrisch | ok I messed up grub...it keeps saying /boot is not a valid block device. I am chrooted into it right now, Do I mount /proc /dev? |
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| 23:14.13 | enouf | mfrisch: exit chroot |
| 23:14.19 | enouf | mfrisch: then |
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| 23:14.48 | enouf | mfrisch: Drop to console (ctrl-alt-f1); login as root; mkdir /mnt/point; mount -oremount,rw /dev/hdXX (you may have to |
| 23:14.49 | enouf | umount /dev/hdXX (your '/', and /boot (if you have one)), and "mount -t fstype -o rw /dev/hdXX /mnt/point"); |
| 23:14.49 | enouf | then-> mount --bind /dev /mnt/point ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/point ; chroot /dev/hdXX /mnt/point |
| 23:14.49 | enouf | (choose your root partition) ; grub-install /dev/hdX (for MBR) or hdXX (for a specific partition). |
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| 23:15.01 | enouf | ouch |
| 23:15.07 | h3sp4wn | rainabba: because the error message is very similar to what I get with my Solaris express domU (after switching to linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 - which is pae (2.6.18-3-xen-686 is non pae) |
| 23:15.08 | wols | shouldn't you know better enouf |
| 23:15.15 | enouf | sorry channel .. I'll clean that up ;-) |
| 23:15.15 | wols | bad enouf, bad |
| 23:15.18 | amphi | !tell enouf about paste |
| 23:15.21 | amphi | ;) |
| 23:15.26 | Ciantic | This is not directly about debian, but I wrote "modprobe quota_v2" it didn't complain but how I can list enabled modules? -l option seems to list only the files |
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| 23:15.38 | enouf | wols: i had no idea it had /n (s) in it :-( |
| 23:15.39 | Vasistha | Ciantic: lsmod |
| 23:15.43 | Ciantic | oh, thanks |
| 23:15.51 | amphi | enouf: teehee |
| 23:15.59 | dvs | lart enouf |
| 23:16.23 | enouf | amphi: I made it myself a few days ago .. i guess i need to keep it all on one long line scrolling to the right forever ;-) |
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| 23:16.44 | Ciantic | Vasistha, well, interesting, it is showing only two :D I thought there were like tens running, currently now shows quota_v2 and ipv6, should I be worried? |
| 23:17.08 | amphi | enouf: yup, and read it through fmt(1) ;) |
| 23:17.11 | Miles_Prower | Antiword uses the environment variable ``HOME'' to find the user's home directory. |
| 23:17.12 | Gokee2 | enouf, ok I made sure the kernel headers came from backports, still have the same problem. |
| 23:17.12 | Vasistha | Ciantic: that's kind of odd, but then, maybe your kernel has everything running as built-in. |
| 23:17.16 | mfrisch | enouf after all that I don't think thats going to help I have all the dir mounted on /mnt../ /mnt/boot /mnt/usr. Are you telling me a way to run grub without chroot? |
| 23:17.30 | Miles_Prower | so I need to export that with the proper home directory for my www-data which.. has no home directory? |
| 23:17.51 | Vasistha | Miles_Prower: you're trying to run antiword as the www-data directory? |
| 23:17.56 | Miles_Prower | Yes. |
| 23:17.57 | enouf | mfrisch: no .. i'm saying bind mount both /proc and /dev prior to your chroot |
| 23:17.58 | Vasistha | Miles_Prower: err, s/directory/user/ |
| 23:18.00 | Miles_Prower | well, php is. |
| 23:18.12 | Miles_Prower | php exec()s antiword to get the text, spit it out webserver. |
| 23:18.20 | mfrisch | enouf aah now I get it. |
| 23:18.20 | row | does etch support pppoa out of the box? |
| 23:18.24 | enouf | mfrisch: then chroot and run grub-install /dev/blah |
| 23:18.27 | row | or do I need to compile ppp with atm patch? |
| 23:18.37 | amphi | row: yes |
| 23:18.38 | Vasistha | Miles_Prower: hum. when you do the exec in php maybe you can do HOME=dir; antiword whatever |
| 23:18.47 | enouf | amphi: thanks |
| 23:18.48 | vix | can someone recom. a ftp client/archiving software that does sequential backup automatically |
| 23:18.52 | row | amphi: yes to its already supported or yes to I need to patch it? |
| 23:18.57 | Miles_Prower | Vasistha: thank you, I'll try that. |
| 23:18.57 | Ciantic | Vasistha, at this same breath, you happen to know should I shutdown my server to get this running? quotatool still complains it is not running. |
| 23:19.01 | amphi | row: it supports pppoa outta the box |
| 23:19.05 | amphi | ;) |
| 23:19.12 | row | amphi: lovely |
| 23:19.24 | mfrisch | enouf if I am chrooted into the dir now (irc prog) will it affect mounts or do I need to exit the chroot? |
| 23:19.30 | amphi | row: modprobe pppoatm and you're good to go |
| 23:19.31 | Vasistha | Ciantic: I have no clue ;-) although reboots are generally unnecessary |
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| 23:19.49 | Ciantic | or is it somehow possible to start kernel modules when comp is running? |
| 23:19.51 | tdn | Is it possible to "undelete" on ext3 easily? I have just shot myself in the food with rm -rfv.. |
| 23:19.54 | Gokee2 | So anyone have any more suggestions? |
| 23:20.03 | Vasistha | Miles_Prower: if that doesn't work you can also try export HOME=whatever; antiword ... |
| 23:20.10 | amphi | tdn: no, I believe not |
| 23:20.15 | tdn | amphi, :( |
| 23:20.20 | enouf | mrew: you need to exit chroot first |
| 23:20.25 | enouf | er mfrisch |
| 23:20.43 | mfrisch | enouf thank you! |
| 23:20.47 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 23:20.47 | dpkg | [undelete] great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
| 23:21.00 | Vasistha | tdn: certainly not *easy* ... but you can look into magicrescue, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=magicrescue&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
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| 23:21.25 | enouf | mfrisch: let's try this paste again now .. shall we? ;-) .. hold onto your hats folks |
| 23:21.27 | enouf | Drop to console (ctrl-alt-f1); login as root; mkdir /mnt/point; mount -oremount,rw /dev/hdXX (you may have to $ |
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| 23:21.30 | LunarCrisis | do unmount the fs before you write over the stuff though >.< |
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| 23:21.44 | tdn | Vasistha, ok. I know about magicrescue. I just hoped for an easier solution :/ |
| 23:21.48 | enouf | oh well .. only caught the width of the screen ;-( |
| 23:21.59 | twinrox | I am looking for a very good system administrator (Unix) Linux-HPUX from Canada willing to travel on a longterm mandate in the UK (1 or 2 years) in a formula 1 team. Very serious . 3-5 years experience with very good conditions. Come in private please |
| 23:22.12 | Vasistha | tdn: solutions to ext3 undelete are inherently not easy, because ext3 is designed to make undelete extremely difficult |
| 23:22.38 | tdn | Vasistha, ok. |
| 23:22.40 | Vasistha | !ops twinrox is spamming |
| 23:22.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: vasistha complains about: twinrox is spamming |
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| 23:23.10 | jelly-home | I gotta ask... |
| 23:23.12 | peterS | twinrox: don't advertise in this channel |
| 23:23.19 | twinrox | ok sorry |
| 23:23.26 | jelly-home | twinrox: which team? :-) |
| 23:23.28 | karrotx | what's a virus scanning program, individual files |
| 23:23.33 | wintix | hehe, jelly-home |
| 23:23.35 | karrotx | avscan or something, right? |
| 23:23.42 | twinrox | is there a place where I can advertise this kind of offer ? |
| 23:23.43 | wols | karrotx: clamav |
| 23:23.58 | wols | karrotx: there is also a f-prot, kaspersky, etc versions out there for linux |
| 23:24.03 | peterS | twinrox: I don't know, honestly. there are many job websites out there |
| 23:24.05 | Vasistha | twinrox: craigslist? |
| 23:24.06 | karsten | twinrox: Slashdot. Contact their advertising department. |
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| 23:24.35 | Mtraker | hi |
| 23:24.45 | Mtraker | i've a problem with apt |
| 23:25.00 | Vasistha | Mtraker: mind describing it for us? So far we can do very little to help you |
| 23:25.01 | wintix | Mtraker: be more specific and you will be helped |
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| 23:25.41 | Mtraker | when i run apt-get install, the download it's ok, but after Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true |
| 23:25.55 | Mtraker | and don't run installation |
| 23:25.59 | wols | Mtraker: paste the exact output in a pastebin |
| 23:26.12 | wols | including your apt-get install line |
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| 23:26.25 | Vasistha | Mtraker: (also, have you done an apt-get update recently?) |
| 23:27.37 | Mtraker | yes |
| 23:27.40 | Mtraker | now |
| 23:27.43 | Mtraker | http://pastebin.ca/402633 |
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| 23:28.38 | Vasistha | Mtraker: that's not the complete output ... could you begin your paste starting at $apt-get install your-package ? |
| 23:28.54 | Vasistha | (or, at least, it doesn't include the install line as requested) |
| 23:29.57 | Mtraker | http://pastebin.ca/402645 |
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| 23:30.18 | tuvwx | can't aptitude get sources, something like apt-get source? |
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| 23:30.47 | wols | tuvwx: tried "aptitude source"? |
| 23:30.56 | h3sp4wn | tuvwx: It cannot |
| 23:30.57 | tuvwx | wols, nope, but it's not in the manpage |
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| 23:31.52 | evilbulgarian | hi, do i need X for vmplayer im trying to launch a vmware image from console and i am getting error about loading libX11.so? |
| 23:31.58 | Mtraker | with aptitude i've the same error |
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| 23:32.18 | h3sp4wn | tuvwx: but even if you use aptitude using apt-get build-dep is ok (build the final package with pbuilder then it gets rid of the now unneeded -dev packages |
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| 23:33.43 | enouf | amphi: thanks again .. it seems a fmt -w 500 filename works the charm (tested in another channel ;-)) |
| 23:34.15 | amphi | enouf: good-oh |
| 23:34.47 | abrotman | evilbulgarian: ask #vmware |
| 23:35.05 | evilbulgarian | abrotman: already did |
| 23:35.16 | abrotman | then install libX11.so |
| 23:36.09 | Vasistha | I'm trying to get pulseaudio working in --system mode, but I keep getting "Connection failure: Access denied" when attempting to connect. #pulseaudio is pretty quiet ... anyone got any ideas? |
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| 23:39.07 | Miles_Prower | I also updated my code, now there's a config file for external applications, with paths to run them |
| 23:39.08 | Vasistha | Miles_Prower: wow, that sounds delicious, it's really a shame I'm not eating sweets :D it's the thought that counts, though, glad I could help |
| 23:39.21 | Miles_Prower | $doc_handler = ; |
| 23:39.22 | Miles_Prower | etc |
| 23:39.24 | Miles_Prower | ^.^ |
| 23:39.39 | Vasistha | Miles_Prower: yeah, that sounds like a more permanent solution than my shaky duct-tape-solution |
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| 23:40.05 | karsten | Vasistha: You should use that vibration-resistant duct-tape instead. |
| 23:40.20 | Bawbag | how would one go about booting Linux to get GRUB back into the MBR after the Windows installer has left it's mess there? |
| 23:40.31 | karsten | Bawbag: Boot a rescue disk. |
| 23:40.36 | MidgetSpy | hey all, is it possible to set up remote login on a linux/debian server so that i can log in from a windows box (and get an entirely new session, not connect to the one running)? |
| 23:40.41 | Vasistha | Bawbag: get a grub floppy or a live cd |
| 23:40.42 | karsten | Bawbag: Eg: debian installer, knoppix, damn small linux. |
| 23:40.53 | karsten | MidgetSpy: Yes. |
| 23:41.04 | Bawbag | karsten: Thanks. |
| 23:41.11 | karsten | MidgetSpy: How depends on what you mean by "session". Shell, graphical, etc. |
| 23:41.18 | Bawbag | Wait.. there is a LiveCD of Debian? |
| 23:41.22 | frex | Vasistha: Flash Media Player is working |
| 23:41.26 | dvs | Bawbag: almost |
| 23:41.30 | frex | Vasistha: but mplayer still is not working |
| 23:41.31 | karsten | Bawbag: I think there is these days. |
| 23:41.31 | MidgetSpy | karsten: sorry, i mean x-session - like remote desktop. |
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| 23:41.39 | Bawbag | karsten: etch only? |
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| 23:41.43 | karsten | MidgetSpy: vnc, nx |
| 23:41.56 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 23:41.57 | dpkg | well, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 23:42.05 | karsten | MidgetSpy: You can also enable remote X and use XDMCP using, say, Ming-X or the Cygwin X server. |
| 23:42.16 | nvz | MidgetSpy: rfb |
| 23:42.20 | Bawbag | thanks abrotman |
| 23:42.34 | MidgetSpy | thanks guys i'll look into those |
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| 23:44.04 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 23:44.17 | karsten | Azar: You've clearly got the wrong channel. |
| 23:44.36 | Azar | noo nonono honorable |
| 23:44.43 | abrotman | too early! |
| 23:44.49 | Azar | guess what? Ian M. got hired by Sun |
| 23:44.54 | karsten | abrotman: wbwwr |
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| 23:45.02 | karsten | abrotman: We'll beer when we're ready |
| 23:45.28 | karsten | Azar: I guess you're always ready. |
| 23:45.33 | dvs | heh |
| 23:45.41 | Azar | :) day off yeehoohuuhaaa |
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| 23:46.35 | Vasistha | frex: have you upgraded your packages yet? |
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| 23:47.10 | Azar | " Please welcome the founder of Debian GNU/Linux, chair of the Linux Standards Base and outgoing CTO of the Linux Foundation, Ian Murdock..." |
| 23:47.35 | Azar | wtf is CTO ? |
| 23:47.40 | karsten | WTF was the Linux Foundation? |
| 23:47.46 | Azar | yea that too.. |
| 23:47.47 | dvs | wtf? |
| 23:47.49 | karsten | Chief Technical Officer. |
| 23:47.51 | Vasistha | Azar: chief technology offices |
| 23:47.55 | karsten | !WTF |
| 23:47.56 | Vasistha | -er |
| 23:48.04 | Azar | head cook |
| 23:48.12 | karsten | Vasistha: ... unless you're in advanced manifold space, in which it's chief topology officer. |
| 23:48.13 | Azar | le chef |
| 23:48.28 | Vasistha | karsten: I stand corrected :D |
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| 23:48.58 | karsten | ... bottomology. |
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| 23:49.09 | Azar | hey , skip the intro, read the comments :) http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/charting_the_next_25_years |
| 23:49.22 | karsten | Talk a about a major that was totally ass.... |
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| 23:52.32 | Azar | hahaha @ " Ubuntu _is_ Debian. Every release is pretty much a snapshot of Debian Unstable. They take Debian Unstable, update Gnome, change the Init, and shovel a bunch of questionable-at-best patches into their kernel. " |
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| 23:53.29 | karsten | Azar: Sez hoo? |
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| 23:53.55 | Azar | karsten: read the link... down at the comments, very juicy |
| 23:54.10 | Azar | ..sez that and much more |
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| 23:56.17 | rdarch | hey guys, just planning on comming back to debian after a fairly long stint in another distro, can anyone tell me what kernel the current sarge installer installs? |
| 23:56.38 | Azar | mannn I am so happy... |
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| 23:56.48 | karsten | Too bad they couldn't have made him their Chief Architectures Platform Officer. |
| 23:56.49 | xand | rdarch: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 23:56.54 | karsten | CAPO. |
| 23:57.03 | xand | I think the first one is that anyway |
| 23:57.06 | Azar | could be my divorce day so happy I am... I got audited today at work and I gave class.. |
| 23:57.17 | xand | but etch is probably better, though not quite stable c.c |
| 23:58.04 | Azar | karsten: Platform ? what Platform? |
| 23:58.34 | karsten | Azar: Google "capo" or look it up in a dictionary. |
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| 23:58.42 | DawnLight | i can't see utf8 in the console and in terminal. english works. how can i configure it right? |
| 23:58.46 | karsten | !define capo |
| 23:58.53 | karsten | !dict capo |
| 23:58.53 | rdarch | xand: cheers, hmm might have to hold it off though, one or two key parts of my laptop require a newer kernel, reason i migrated to ubuntu in the first place, trouble is i miss debian, |
| 23:58.54 | dpkg | Dictionary 'capo' the head of a branch of an organized crime syndicate |
| 23:59.24 | xand | rdarch: try etch then |
| 23:59.24 | Nyle | capo is a device for the guitar |
| 23:59.35 | Nyle | you put it on the neck where you want to have sort of a virtual nut |
| 23:59.46 | Nyle | mostly for bar chord rythem playing :) |
| 23:59.53 | Azar | woohoo!!! Debian Installer etch RC2 released !!!!! |
