| 00:00.00 | Vasistha | rdarch: etch *is* frozen, so it "should" be gradually getting more and more stable... |
| 00:00.09 | karsten | Azar: It escaped. |
| 00:00.09 | Nyle | wohooo! azar is here |
| 00:00.25 | Azar | karsten: like a small fart? |
| 00:01.21 | karsten | Azar: There's no such thing. |
| 00:01.31 | Nyle | the kind of fart that when you look out your window the next day there are no more birds in your 'hood |
| 00:01.48 | Azar | Unless=20 release critical issues are discovered, this will be the version of the=20 installer that will be included in the release of Etch. |
| 00:01.55 | rdarch | xand: how unstable is it? are we talking a new problem every 5 mins or now and then stuff goes wrong? |
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| 00:02.17 | karsten | rdarch: What's "it"? etch in current frozen state? |
| 00:02.32 | karsten | Nyle: I haven't seena bird in years. |
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| 00:02.51 | Gokee2 | I have searched google and done everything I can think of to make m-a work but it still says "Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use." anyone here have any idea`s? |
| 00:03.14 | xand | rdarch: i've been running it for months with no problems. it's very nearly stable in terms of release |
| 00:03.18 | karsten | Gokee2: Starting from a stock kernel? Possibly it's been updated? |
| 00:03.34 | Gokee2 | karsten, Stock kernel from backports |
| 00:03.39 | karsten | xand: If you install etch now you should be in very good shape. |
| 00:03.47 | karsten | Gokee2: Try finding headers there too. |
| 00:03.52 | xand | karsten: dont need to tell me :P |
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| 00:04.09 | Gokee2 | karsten, I got the headers from there, as well as m-a and buils-ess |
| 00:04.36 | karsten | xand: erm, rdarch ^^ |
| 00:04.43 | karsten | Gokee2: Hrm. Sorry then. |
| 00:04.50 | rdarch | xand: awesome, cheers will give it a go, any idea what kernel the current etch installer installs? |
| 00:05.05 | Gokee2 | :( |
| 00:05.07 | xand | 2.6.18 |
| 00:05.12 | rdarch | perfect :D |
| 00:05.14 | rdarch | thanks! |
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| 00:07.56 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
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| 00:12.26 | rdarch | :) thanks for all your help guys |
| 00:12.28 | rdarch | i'm off |
| 00:12.30 | rdarch | sleeps needed |
| 00:12.31 | jelly-home | where's the rc bug counter thingy? |
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| 00:13.17 | jelly-home | !listvalues zimmer.net |
| 00:13.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'zimmer.net' by value (1): rc bugs. |
| 00:13.24 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 00:13.24 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 00:14.11 | Gokee2 | Ah ndiswrapper-source is coming from stable I guess backports does not have one? Is this how it should be? |
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| 00:17.48 | MidgetSpy | hey guys I'm running the remote desktop/vnc server that comes with etch/gnome (vino) and when I connect I can see the desktop but when I open windows they don't show up (even though they are opening on the remote computer). could this be because I'm using beryl? is there a way to use a VNC server and beryl? |
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| 00:20.23 | mfrisch | How can I install grub when I get this error: could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device |
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| 00:21.13 | wintix | mfrisch: how did you try to install it? |
| 00:21.28 | mfrisch | wintix chroot |
| 00:21.36 | enouf | mfrisch: yeah .. what's the command you're feeding it? |
| 00:21.55 | mfrisch | grub-install /dev/sda ? |
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| 00:22.05 | enouf | you tell us :-P |
| 00:22.12 | wintix | was that a question or a statement, mfrisch ? |
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| 00:22.30 | mfrisch | well thats what I tried so far how about that |
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| 00:24.31 | mfrisch | I think it has to do with evms. the new /dev/evms even though its a compatibly volume. |
| 00:24.40 | liable | is /boot on the same partition as your / ?? |
| 00:24.57 | mfrisch | no |
| 00:25.07 | enouf | mfrisch: make sure /dev/disk/by-id lists your sda or even just /dev/sda exists .. where's your boot partition? .. and you're sure you didn't issue a /dev/sdaX <-- partition number? |
| 00:25.21 | enouf | ahh .. you'll need to mount it |
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| 00:26.15 | mfrisch | enouf everythings mounted even tmp proc dev. I think my live-cd is too old |
| 00:26.59 | mfrisch | and yes I have /dev/sda |
| 00:27.52 | mfrisch | But for evms to work one needs the bd-claim patch...which claims the device. |
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| 00:28.12 | Vasistha | seems to me like 'apt-get update' is quite a bit quicker than 'aptitude update', on the command-line. Is there *any* difference in the results? |
| 00:28.27 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: yes. |
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| 00:28.56 | spundun | hi all |
| 00:29.00 | Vasistha | I guess the general advice, then, would be to use aptitude ... I'll change my script and be patient :-) |
| 00:29.00 | dondelelcaro | err, sorry; I read upgrade instead of update. There's not really much of a difference. |
| 00:29.16 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: oh .. heh, then I'll continue as before. thanks |
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| 00:29.26 | enouf | mfrisch: you mounted your /boot rw before chrooting? if not .. exit and do it again (though that error doesn't appear to indicate that's the issue) .. don't know anything about evms (except what it is), and especially not bd-claim |
| 00:29.29 | spundun | hi all... a question |
| 00:29.39 | jetscreamer | where |
| 00:29.45 | jetscreamer | i don't see no steenkin question |
| 00:29.59 | jetscreamer | (just ask) |
| 00:30.17 | mfrisch | enouf does grub gets its /boot info from /etc/fstab?? |
| 00:30.18 | spundun | I am updating my package database on a debian testing machine after a loong time... |
| 00:30.38 | spundun | and it failed to download repo indices for 3 repos |
| 00:30.40 | calamari | I have a laptop without working floppy or cdrom.. it currently has win95 on it and working networking. I have another system running Linux. Is there a way to get Debian on this thing? |
| 00:31.10 | streuner | spundun: show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste), please? |
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| 00:31.17 | spundun | on usc.org testing/main and ftp.debian.org testing/main and testing/contrib |
| 00:31.24 | enouf | mfrisch: it would seem so .. yes |
| 00:31.49 | streuner | spundun: we need the whole lines and the error |
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| 00:32.06 | enouf | mfrisch: it tries to read /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:32.35 | mfrisch | enouf can I specify that? cause I got one ;-) |
| 00:33.07 | enouf | mfrisch: stage 1/1.5 point to the location of the file (stage2) in there |
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| 00:33.31 | enouf | mfrisch: perhaps you want to fiddle with the grub shell and tab completion ;-) |
| 00:34.05 | Vasistha | calamari: probably. I've installed debian without cd or floppy, by downloading a CD iso onto my hard drive and installing from there |
| 00:34.46 | enouf | mfrisch: see the small grub section here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/433 (note the other info as well) ;-) |
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| 00:35.05 | Vasistha | calamari: I think you can probably do the same thing with a net install cd ... download the iso, save it on your hard drive. Of course, you will need to get grub installed, but there should be instructions for all this on the debian website's guide to installing debian |
| 00:35.07 | mfrisch | enouf thank you |
| 00:35.20 | calamari | Vasistha: I don'tr have enough disk space for an iso |
| 00:35.29 | calamari | I might have an idea tho |
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| 00:35.44 | Vasistha | calamari: well, the net install iso is I think only about 100 mb, not 700 |
| 00:35.49 | calamari | maybe I can use that dos linux loader |
| 00:35.50 | enouf | calamari: with only 16MB ram .. you most certainly need to use the lowmem= boot option ;-) to even have a chance |
| 00:36.13 | spundun | streuner, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5755 |
| 00:36.20 | calamari | enouf: I was hoping to install via debootstrap |
| 00:36.29 | calamari | then I found out my floppy drive was bad |
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| 00:36.48 | mfrisch | enouf I think I know what I can do..I didn't mount /boot on accident and it worked..maybe I should move /boot to / |
| 00:36.51 | calamari | but maybe I can still create an image and run it from dos |
| 00:36.55 | spundun | streuner, if you scroll down, you'll also see the synaptic error message. |
| 00:37.04 | Gokee2 | If I do m-a -k /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7/ a-i ndiswrapper m-a will try and build it however it will not work. The log is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/5756 |
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| 00:37.13 | streuner | spundun: never saw them before, just use another mirror |
| 00:37.24 | Gokee2 | Anyone know why its failing now? |
| 00:37.25 | DawnLight | will someone help me out with this silly locale thing |
| 00:37.33 | enouf | mfrisch: heh .. careful when moving partitions around .. |
| 00:37.59 | streuner | spundun: usc is official, maybe its really a temp. network problem... |
| 00:38.12 | DawnLight | how do i set all them LC_ things? |
| 00:38.39 | phreqmod | DawnLight, "export LC_thing=thing" |
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| 00:38.47 | Vasistha | spundun: fyi, I just updated from usc 10 minutes ago, although I use http, not ftp |
| 00:38.52 | petemc | !tell DawnLight about locales |
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| 00:38.55 | phreqmod | DawnLight, for all is LC_ALL |
| 00:39.02 | karsten | DawnLight: Remember, wherever you go, there you are. |
| 00:39.26 | karsten | DawnLight: export LC_ALL=C |
| 00:39.37 | karsten | DawnLight: ... should get you to something usable as a failsafe. |
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| 00:40.40 | mfrisch | enouf I can't get any further messed up |
| 00:40.44 | DawnLight | hold on... hope i will return |
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| 00:42.05 | streuner | spundun: http://mirror.debian.org/mirrors.usc.edu.html |
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| 00:42.46 | DawnLight | does it take effect immediately the export? |
| 00:42.48 | enouf | mfrisch: i know the feeling .. take breaks and relax as needed ;-) puting an issue aside for a while and returning when I'm refreshed usually helps |
| 00:42.58 | enouf | s/puting/putting |
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| 00:43.19 | enouf | DawnLight: yes . and only remains for that session |
| 00:43.30 | DawnLight | i've set LANG, LANGUAGE and LC_ALL to "he_IL.UTF-8" |
| 00:43.49 | enouf | DawnLight: type locale at the terminal to se your LC settings |
| 00:43.54 | DawnLight | only remains for that session? how do i set it for all sessions? |
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| 00:44.10 | DawnLight | typed locale and it's set like i typed |
| 00:44.35 | DawnLight | i have a question |
| 00:44.36 | DawnLight | ! |
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| 00:44.57 | zamuro | !ask |
| 00:44.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:45.14 | DawnLight | why would any pc not use only UTF-8 or some other unicode? |
| 00:45.19 | enouf | ask others .. but the dpkg factoid (/msg dpkg locales tells as someone told you , also /msg dpkg keymap) |
| 00:45.19 | streuner | spundun: oh, the last line deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib isn't useful in this sources.list, btw. |
| 00:46.00 | Gokee2 | I found the full log of the m-a problem its now at http://channels.debian.net/paste/5757 anyone know a way to fix this? |
| 00:46.19 | DawnLight | can anyone answer that |
| 00:46.30 | DawnLight | it seems to solve everything |
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| 00:46.57 | DawnLight | shouldn't it be defualt's default? |
| 00:48.21 | calamari | cool.. might have fixed the floppy drive.. back to plan a |
| 00:48.22 | streuner | spundun: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ <-- Did you delete /partial ? |
| 00:48.32 | streuner | spundun: via rm or such? |
| 00:49.11 | enouf | calamari: rotated the cable 180 degrees :-P |
| 00:49.27 | jetscreamer | as root, dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? |
| 00:49.35 | calamari | enouf: no.. took it apart and put it back together.. it's magic :) |
| 00:49.47 | enouf | calamari: vunderbar! |
| 00:50.04 | calamari | it sounds like hell, but as long as it works I don't care |
| 00:50.56 | DawnLight | hmm... instead of heberw letters in the console i get a blur of pixels, what isn't set up correctly? perhaps fonts? |
| 00:51.09 | jetscreamer | console-data maybe |
| 00:51.11 | enouf | DawnLight: in X? or console? .. and do you have the fonts installed? |
| 00:51.11 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 00:51.41 | enouf | oh .. you said console DawnLight .. apologies |
| 00:51.52 | DawnLight | i don't know about the fonts |
| 00:52.04 | DawnLight | i seemed to have made a little bit of a mess |
| 00:52.09 | enouf | DawnLight: well .. you're going to need them to be able to see them :-P |
| 00:52.35 | jetscreamer | is that as user, or as root |
| 00:52.37 | DawnLight | so i have some fonts set for the console apparently |
| 00:52.41 | DawnLight | why thank you |
| 00:53.04 | DawnLight | perhaps not unicode fonts |
| 00:53.38 | DawnLight | if they were unicode i would have been able to see my hebrew right |
| 00:54.20 | DawnLight | or is there another reason non english characters show up as a blur |
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| 00:55.07 | Azar | teheee!!! http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200703/error'd/funnywindowblindsbox.png |
| 00:55.11 | Vasistha | yum, I have sound again. so much for pulse audio :P esd...just...works... |
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| 00:55.46 | phreqmod | DawnLight, you might have some kind of anti-semitic terminal... apt-cache search kosher xterm |
| 00:55.53 | phreqmod | DawnLight, jk, jk |
| 00:56.01 | jetscreamer | i tried pulse when it first came out.. i felt lucky that i was actually able to uninstall it iirc |
| 00:56.12 | phreqmod | DawnLight, I would recomend mlterm with the terminus font |
| 00:56.26 | DawnLight | haha well it's a serpentium 3 |
| 00:56.28 | phreqmod | Just to see if it works ok with UTF8 |
| 00:56.35 | Azar | speaking of sound, you know what is the last thing you need to do if trying to fix the sound and nothing works ? |
| 00:56.48 | DawnLight | how to i set it? |
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| 00:57.05 | Azar | ... well? you go to an ear doctor! |
| 00:57.13 | phreqmod | DawnLight, apt-get install mlterm xfonts-terminus |
| 00:57.56 | phreqmod | DawnLight, and in ~/.mlterm/font something like "ISO10646_UCS4_1 = -xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal--14-140-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1;" |
| 00:59.07 | jetscreamer | i thought the last thing was see if it works in windows |
| 00:59.16 | Azar | booooo!!! |
| 00:59.22 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 00:59.24 | phreqmod | Then get some UTF8 test file and cat it to see if it works |
| 00:59.34 | phreqmod | Like http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
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| 01:00.05 | StarWars | hi |
| 01:00.15 | Azar | jetscreamer: if you go to a doc, at least you get viagra, and get soooo mhmard.. that the cebum pops out your ears and bingo! sound works again |
| 01:00.17 | phreqmod | That example doesn't has Hebrew, but Greek and Runic and some more. |
| 01:00.27 | Vasistha | heh ... anyway, pulse seems like a nice idea; maybe in the next version of debian it'll be ready |
| 01:00.45 | Vasistha | Azar: wow, that was really sick! |
| 01:00.53 | StarWars | i try to install apache2 and i get this eroor |
| 01:00.54 | StarWars | apache2 is already the newest version. |
| 01:00.54 | lunaphyte | what exactly does adding bs=1M to dd do? |
| 01:01.07 | Vasistha | StarWars: sounds like it's already installed. is it running? |
| 01:01.08 | StarWars | but i dont have apache |
| 01:01.25 | enouf | DawnLight: you may be able to glean some info from http://www.inter-locale.com/whitepaper/learn/learn_to_type.html#unix and http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.html .. but installing the correct fonts is a start too |
| 01:01.28 | DawnLight | phreqmod, i've installed a package called console-setup, which seems to answer my stuff, hold on |
| 01:01.38 | phreqmod | Ok |
| 01:01.51 | phreqmod | That will probably set it up for console use, not for X though |
| 01:02.08 | phreqmod | loadfonts a UTF8 font and it should work |
| 01:02.28 | r0ver | i just installed debian etch and i realized there's no python2.3 package, i can install some packages that i know that uses python2.3 but they don't install any dependency with python2.3, anyway all the 2.3 libs seems to be there, do you know how is the debian/python pachage managing that ? |
| 01:02.38 | phreqmod | And the command "unicode_start" IIRC |
| 01:02.39 | Vasistha | StarWars: uhh, according to apt-get, you do. |
| 01:02.45 | StarWars | Vasistha i try apache2 on server but say apache2: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory |
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| 01:03.46 | dual-man | i have a debian gateway server/squid proxy and i can't seem to use a pop3 client to check my email, what could be wrong? |
| 01:03.50 | liable | StarWars: have you previously had apache and deleted the conf files because you broke it? |
| 01:03.53 | phreqmod | DawnLight, actually just "unicode_start" at the console workd perfectly for me without anything else |
| 01:04.03 | enouf | DawnLight: you are aware that an xterm/konsole/aterm/vt and 'console' (ctrl-alt-f1-f6 usually) are entirely different? |
| 01:04.06 | DawnLight | what's the name of the keyboard with the windows buttons? the context menu and start, and i've got one for sleep, one for turn off and one for awake |
| 01:04.20 | StarWars | how can i remove total apt-get remove apache2 and is still in my server |
| 01:04.31 | DawnLight | yes, enouf i've figured that |
| 01:04.35 | Vasistha | StarWars: apt-get remove --purge |
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| 01:04.38 | enouf | DawnLight: the former are /dev/pts IINM, and rely upon X entirely |
| 01:04.41 | DawnLight | i'll get to the terminal later |
| 01:04.50 | enouf | ok |
| 01:04.53 | StarWars | Vasistha thanks |
| 01:04.56 | Vasistha | StarWars: then install again and see if it gets set up properly |
| 01:05.03 | DawnLight | about the keyboard |
| 01:05.06 | StarWars | ok |
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| 01:05.52 | phreqmod | DawnLight, squares with letters, ensabled in a plastic molde, look down and you'll see it. |
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| 01:06.13 | DawnLight | hehe |
| 01:06.19 | dual-man | how do i open ports on my firewall (outgoing) |
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| 01:06.19 | DawnLight | oh it's here |
| 01:06.21 | phreqmod | DawnLight, although for hebrew... |
| 01:06.26 | DawnLight | even have my hands on it |
| 01:06.31 | phreqmod | Ehe |
| 01:06.56 | abrotman | dual-man: depends on your firewall |
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| 01:06.58 | phreqmod | DawnLight, I'm not sure how it works without an Hebrew keyboard... you'll need an imput method or what not |
| 01:07.39 | DawnLight | hebrew is in unicode and i only need to set the correct keymap |
| 01:07.41 | Vasistha | enouf: I think 'xterm' is generally accepted? |
| 01:07.44 | StarWars | Vasistha apt-get remove --purge apache2 the same thing when i try to install apache2 |
| 01:07.48 | DawnLight | i don't think it has to do with the keyboard |
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| 01:07.56 | dual-man | abrotman: i have linux firewall |
| 01:08.06 | Vasistha | StarWars: what version of debian are you using? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:08.09 | abrotman | and it's blocking outgoing ? |
| 01:08.20 | enouf | Vasistha: i guess so .. |
| 01:08.21 | StarWars | 3.1 |
| 01:08.31 | DawnLight | my goal, phreqmod, is to be able to see and type hebrew in console |
| 01:08.41 | phreqmod | DawnLight, I just wrote some Hebrew with Emacs in my console, couldn't get anything useful, perhaps my font isn't complete enough... |
| 01:08.42 | dual-man | well somethings blocking my pop3 cleint, i think it might be the firewall? |
| 01:08.58 | jetscreamer | as root, dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? |
| 01:08.59 | DawnLight | what did you get? |
| 01:08.59 | abrotman | dual-man: blocking it from what ? |
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| 01:09.19 | jetscreamer | !iptables |
| 01:09.19 | dpkg | i heard iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 01:09.19 | dual-man | from connecting to my external email server |
| 01:09.39 | phreqmod | DawnLight, allright, I'm trying to do it myself now that you've made me curious, I have done it already during the time I thinkered with ritual magic, hold on |
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| 01:10.06 | DawnLight | nice |
| 01:10.16 | robin_sz | dual-man, can you browse the web from behind this firewall? |
| 01:10.30 | StarWars | Vasistha 3.1 debian_version |
| 01:10.43 | DawnLight | so you know the aleph beit? |
| 01:10.45 | enouf | robin_sz: I noticed you got tossed/kicked before from some b0z0 waltzing in here and doing a dcc send xxxxxx .. you can workaround that two ways; connect to here using port 8001 (instead of 6667), and/or upgrade your routere firmware (it stinks ;-)) |
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| 01:10.59 | DawnLight | ?,? ?, ?... |
| 01:11.08 | dual-man | robin_sz, yes |
| 01:11.18 | DawnLight | can you see that? |
| 01:11.31 | robin_sz | enouf, im confused ... |
| 01:11.39 | petemc | dual-man: who set up the firewall? |
| 01:11.53 | militant | anyone use snes9x here? i get HORRIBLE performance video-wise, though it worked great under an old slackware install, on lesser hardware... |
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| 01:12.03 | robin_sz | dual-man, then I suggest you do an iptables -L and paste the results in pastebin |
| 01:12.23 | Vasistha | StarWars: heh, I was hoping someone more knowledgable would have jumped in by now. Well, anyway, so -- you did apt-get remove --purge apache2, and then you did apt-get install apache2, correct? Were there any error messages or the like as apt-get was configuring the package? |
| 01:12.34 | spundun | streuner, ok I removed the security.debian.org line... and changed the mirror from usc.org to ftp.us.debian.org... but I really want the usc mirror because its faster for me |
| 01:12.35 | enouf | robin_sz: try /lastlog maybe .. there's an exploit in irc using dcc send <more than 10 capital chars> .. google on it ;-) . |
| 01:12.42 | phreqmod | DawnLight, sorry, I'm in console mode now so I will proably take some time to answer you. But yes, I *knew* the Aleph-Beit. I'm that kind of guy that has great memory for a short span, than regretfully forgets 80% |
| 01:12.59 | spundun | streuner, and no, the partial directory is there... I didn't remove it... |
| 01:13.12 | streuner | spundun: not the securtiy.d.o line - you should comment the other debian mirror |
| 01:13.35 | Vasistha | spundun: did you try http instead of ftp for the usc server? It's been working fine for me, I've used it a couple times today |
| 01:13.47 | robin_sz | enouf, this is presumably a failing in my client, xchat then? |
| 01:14.21 | enouf | robin_sz: no .. it's your router's firmware failing |
| 01:14.22 | phreqmod | DawnLight, I was merely a curious though, didn't want to give the impressions of being being surrounded with posters of the Sephiroth |
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| 01:14.36 | streuner | spundun: well, try to wget the .bz2 file |
| 01:14.36 | liable | oh dear, Ian Murdock considers Ubuntu to be Debian.. Que the Ubutards coming in here for help. :P |
| 01:14.49 | streuner | spundun: it works for me without problems... |
| 01:15.20 | phreqmod | DawnLight, done |
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| 01:15.30 | phreqmod | DawnLight, "unicode_start" |
| 01:15.41 | robin_sz | enouf, now im even more confused ... wher does my router come into it? |
| 01:16.11 | DawnLight | phreqmod, i messed up the console |
| 01:16.12 | phreqmod | DawnLight, "consolechars -f /usr/share/consolefonts/LatArCyrHeb-14.psf.gz" |
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| 01:16.43 | lunaphyte | what tools are recommended for securely erasing a hard drive? |
| 01:16.44 | phreqmod | DawnLight, that happens sometimes when going in and out of X, especially with framebuffer active on the console |
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| 01:17.01 | bzed | hmm... laugh or wine? http://www.php-security.org/MOPB/MOPB-27-2007.html |
| 01:17.02 | DawnLight | its working |
| 01:17.12 | DawnLight | but when i try to type hebrew it doesn't |
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| 01:17.15 | DawnLight | it beeps |
| 01:17.17 | EdwardElric | which branch of Debian should i use for a desktop machine? |
| 01:17.26 | StarWars | Vasistha can you chk my error ? http://www.pastebin.ca/402866 apache2 and cant install any pkg |
| 01:17.28 | bzed | EdwardElric: etch |
| 01:17.30 | DawnLight | iwhat should i do? |
| 01:17.35 | EdwardElric | ty |
| 01:17.46 | bzed | EdwardElric: probably stay with testing, but testing can be buggy, although it ususally works well. |
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| 01:18.12 | wintix | lunaphyte: you could use 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/deviceyouwanttohavekilled' a couple of times. |
| 01:18.18 | enouf | you know liable ? .. I've decided that all distributions are part of the oftc (more or less) .. atleast they're contributing .. and rather than knockin' each other .. i prefer to bash all the me, me, mine, mine, now, whining winlusers whom wander in and expect us to do their dirty work for them .. and then they complain further and become evem more belligerent .. those are the one's i bash ;-) |
| 01:18.24 | Vasistha | EdwardElric: you'll probably be happier with etch since it's frozen ... although I was using sarge for a long time for my desktop, and I was very happy with it. You might consider staying with etch when it goes stable ... depends how much time you want to spend maintaining your system. |
| 01:18.31 | robin_sz | enouf, OK, I found some references to it ... it seems the poxy pile of shite that passes for a wireless bridge is trying to do something clever and failing, I'll try and disable the cleverness |
| 01:18.37 | DawnLight | hmm... i seem to not have the terminus font installed correctly |
| 01:18.55 | wols | enouf: too much hassle. I just bash everyone |
| 01:18.57 | enouf | robin_sz: please don;t make me lart you .. go google "dcc send exploit irc" |
| 01:18.57 | wols | !bash enouf |
| 01:19.03 | enouf | robin_sz: ;-) |
| 01:19.10 | bzed | StarWars: could you pelase paste the output of apt-cache madison sun-java5-bin |
| 01:19.13 | resistance | robin_sz: (dualman): Chain Forward ACCEPT tcp anywhere ipaddress tcp dpts:ftp-data:ssh is the only thing that's there |
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| 01:19.45 | StarWars | bzed E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 01:19.53 | enouf | thank you wols ;-) .. i needed that |
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| 01:20.11 | bzed | StarWars: paste /etc/apt/sources.list then please |
| 01:20.20 | phreqmod | DawnLight, what are you using to input hebrew? |
| 01:20.21 | EdwardElric | yea, i was think etch before i asked, i just wanted to see someone elses opinions ;) |
| 01:20.23 | StarWars | ok i will |
| 01:20.41 | phreqmod | DawnLight, I used emacs with the Hebre input method... not sure how to do it in other editors... |
| 01:20.46 | bzed | !tell StarWars about paste |
| 01:20.47 | robin_sz | enouf, yeah, I see it ... I hoped the router would be invisible as its two layers behind the NAT firewall ... but apparently it must have some shitty "helper" application that tries to make DCC work through the firewall .. sigh .. I'll see if I can turn it off |
| 01:20.48 | Vasistha | StarWars: okay, well first of all, apache2 was never removed. Did you pay any attention to the output of apt-get remove? the real package you want may very well be prefork or something like that... you can find what's installed with: dpkg -l 'apache2*' |
| 01:21.01 | StarWars | bzed http://www.pastebin.ca/402869 |
| 01:21.03 | DawnLight | i try to do it in the console cli |
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| 01:21.25 | DawnLight | phreqmod, do you know what console-setup is? |
| 01:22.02 | Vasistha | StarWars: uhm, you are mixing distros sarge+testing ... mmm, bad... |
| 01:22.04 | xerophyte | how can i prevent fork bomb and limit process and monitor .. does anybody know any documentation which explain these kind of prevention |
| 01:22.10 | phreqmod | DawnLight, just read about it, but never used it... |
| 01:22.12 | bzed | Vasistha: not a problem at all |
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| 01:22.21 | bzed | Vasistha: testing will be used |
| 01:22.36 | bzed | StarWars: did you upgrade to testing? |
| 01:22.37 | phreqmod | phreqmod, it probasble replaces what I said above though... |
| 01:22.39 | Vasistha | bzed: ya think? well, I wouldn't truly know. I've heard people advise against it |
| 01:22.53 | bzed | Vasistha: it doesn't make much sense, indeed |
| 01:22.53 | Supaplex | my tape drive only shows up as a media changer (it has a dlt tape loader to), where's my /dev/st* device? sg0 is there... |
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| 01:23.55 | bzed | StarWars: you probably want to remove anything except the testing lines from your /etc/apt/sources.list and then do an aotitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:24.24 | bzed | StarWars: probably you need to do a dpkg -P sun-java5-bin before you can do anything else |
| 01:24.30 | Vasistha | whoops, gotta go |
| 01:24.39 | DawnLight | i just used it and it configured everything |
| 01:24.40 | StarWars | bzed but he will ask me te reinstall the server ... |
| 01:24.51 | Vasistha | StarWars: good luck, looks like others are picking up the slack where I leave off :-) |
| 01:25.12 | DawnLight | phreqmod, but it doesn't let me choose terminus, only VGA and Fixed |
| 01:25.12 | langly | Hostname: Illyria - OS: Linux 2.4.27-3-generic/alpha - CPU: Alpha EV56 - Processes: 88 - Uptime: 53m - Load Average: 0.16 - Memory Usage: 31.41MB/248.67MB (12.63%) - Disk Usage: 0.52GB/7.52GB (6.88%) |
| 01:25.14 | bzed | StarWars: well, actually you have a bad bad mix of packages from testing, sarge and from some inofficial mirror. you WANT to clean that mix up |
| 01:25.18 | langly | sorry just a quick test |
| 01:25.40 | phreqmod | DawnLight, that's strange, since thoise fonts aren't proper for much except ASCII |
| 01:25.41 | dromer | hi, I'm running a script for installing the drivers for my webcam, and I'm running across this: [!] Kernel compiler and gcc seem to be different versions. |
| 01:26.02 | militant | hmmmm program i'm trying to run needs /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.1' .. my /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 is a symlink to /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.3 ... |
| 01:26.03 | dromer | before trying to install the driver. Replace kgcc with the command |
| 01:26.05 | dromer | required for compiling kernels |
| 01:26.19 | DawnLight | so phreqmod, so now i can see hebrew wonderfully on the console and can't type it |
| 01:26.27 | Supaplex | dromer: uname -a will show you the gcc release used. |
| 01:26.34 | dromer | thnx Supaplex |
| 01:26.44 | Supaplex | dromer: uhm, maybe /proc/version actually. |
| 01:26.52 | dromer | ah, haha |
| 01:27.09 | dromer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.17 | Supaplex | cat /proc/version |
| 01:27.18 | karsten | dromer: It's a file. |
| 01:27.20 | dromer | ah |
| 01:27.35 | dromer | gcc version 3.3.5 << hmm |
| 01:27.38 | karsten | dromer: As is everything else under /proc (well, unless it's a directory or symlink). No commands. |
| 01:27.40 | dromer | just plain gcc then? |
| 01:28.02 | phreqmod | DawnLight, well, probably for the better since each letter is more than a letter, it's one specific energy that is a building block of Creation. You wouldn't want to inadvertedly destroy the Universe and send everything to the Qlipoth just to test your input method |
| 01:28.09 | Supaplex | gcc-3.3 |
| 01:28.13 | asg | karsten: it's a bishop berkeley file though |
| 01:28.28 | karsten | asg: ?? |
| 01:28.35 | asg | karsten: it only exists when you try to read it |
| 01:28.47 | karsten | asg: I don't get the reference. |
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| 01:28.58 | DawnLight | phreqmod, on the other hand i use and write that language everyday :) |
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| 01:29.00 | phreqmod | DawnLight, if you however don't mind taking the changes, I can only help you witht he older methode of consolechars described above, That console-setup thing it's alien to me |
| 01:29.05 | asg | karsten: Berkeley, the "if a tree falls in the forest..." guy |
| 01:29.10 | karsten | asg: Ah... |
| 01:29.15 | Saz|Laptop | is the fuse package on stable any decent? |
| 01:29.18 | DawnLight | i'll try |
| 01:29.21 | Saz|Laptop | it seeems pretty good |
| 01:29.23 | Saz|Laptop | err |
| 01:29.26 | karsten | asg: So, if a tree falls in a forest ... |
| 01:29.27 | Saz|Laptop | pretty old |
| 01:29.29 | phreqmod | DawnLight, that probably explaisn the sorry state of affairs the world is in , ehehe |
| 01:29.33 | karsten | asg: ...and the man's wife isn't there ... |
| 01:29.37 | karsten | asg: ... is he still wrong? |
| 01:29.47 | asg | karsten: of course |
| 01:29.52 | dromer | hmm, same error, also with CC=gcc |
| 01:30.07 | phreqmod | DawnLight, I'm going to install console-setup, hold on |
| 01:30.13 | amphi | Saz|Laptop: stable is 'pretty good^Wold' |
| 01:30.27 | Saz|Laptop | what? |
| 01:30.36 | DawnLight | phreqmod, consolechars command not found... |
| 01:30.40 | asg | karsten: or, one can use Viagra I suppose |
| 01:31.05 | DawnLight | wonder why they called viagra that |
| 01:31.10 | phreqmod | DawnLight, apt-get install consoletools |
| 01:31.11 | dromer | gah, nothing but failure along the way :/ |
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| 01:31.39 | dromer | how else could I install my quickcam messenger webcam? |
| 01:31.44 | DawnLight | perhaps console-setup replaces consoletools, phreqmod? |
| 01:31.48 | Supaplex | Why didn't udev create the /dev/stX entry for this dlt drive? http://rafb.net/p/YzMWMc77.html (only /dev/sgX) |
| 01:31.58 | abrotman | nst0 ? |
| 01:32.04 | Saz|Laptop | I'm just saying, fuse on stable is 2.2 which is 2 years old, while the project is well into 2.6 |
| 01:32.16 | abrotman | Supaplex: is the st module loaded ? |
| 01:32.19 | Saz|Laptop | should i just get the later version? |
| 01:32.48 | Supaplex | humm |
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| 01:33.09 | phreqmod | DawnLight, well, I have both in my system (Debian sid) |
| 01:33.20 | amphi | Saz|Laptop: upgrade to etch? |
| 01:33.46 | amphi | Saz|Laptop: sarge is long in the tooth |
| 01:34.53 | phreqmod | DawnLight, just saw the details, console-setup doesn't list consoletools in the Conflicts section... |
| 01:34.53 | enouf | dromer: you need to either (something like this ->) specify during the build .. or export HOSTCC=gcc-3.3.5 and export CC=gcc-3.3.5 prior to building |
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| 01:34.53 | DawnLight | it conflicts with kbd that i have, phreqmod |
| 01:34.54 | Saz|Laptop | amphi, i'm on a server environment |
| 01:34.54 | Saz|Laptop | i keep getting told to stay on stable |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | Supaplex: ? |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | for servers .. yes |
| 01:34.55 | amphi | Saz|Laptop: ah |
| 01:34.55 | phreqmod | DawnLight, ahh right, console-tools does indeed.... |
| 01:34.55 | Saz|Laptop | i mostly just want fuse for ftp-fs |
| 01:35.05 | phreqmod | I don't have kbd installed, that's why I was able to install both |
| 01:35.07 | Saz|Laptop | because some of my backup tools wont backup directly to FTP |
| 01:35.24 | dromer | enouf: as root? |
| 01:35.24 | Saz|Laptop | so I figure if I could just 'mount' an ftp server and backup using that |
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| 01:35.32 | Supaplex | abrotman: yea, I loaded st, but no st device nodes yet. |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | lsscsi .. see it ? |
| 01:35.42 | Saz|Laptop | I'll just backport fuse then |
| 01:35.45 | Saz|Laptop | clouldnt hurt |
| 01:35.53 | Saz|Laptop | *couldn't |
| 01:35.55 | asg | Saz|Laptop: or use sshfs and get some encryption for free |
| 01:35.57 | DawnLight | okay, console-tools installed, phreqmod |
| 01:36.01 | enouf | dromer: not really .. root is only necessary to install .. not ./configure, nor make |
| 01:36.08 | d0c | what is the latsest and most stable debian out? |
| 01:36.09 | Saz|Laptop | asg, the backup server my host offers only does ftp sadly |
| 01:36.23 | asg | Saz|Laptop: ouch |
| 01:36.29 | asg | d0c: /topic |
| 01:36.31 | Saz|Laptop | yeah i know |
| 01:36.50 | d0c | wat? |
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| 01:36.55 | dromer | enouf: my files are in /var/www/cam/ though |
| 01:36.56 | wintix | d0c: read the topic |
| 01:37.03 | d0c | dude |
| 01:37.06 | d0c | simple answer would do |
| 01:37.13 | asg | d0c: /msg dpkg 3.1r5 |
| 01:37.17 | asg | d0c: it's in the /topic |
| 01:37.23 | d0c | why i have to read anything for u too tell me the mist stable version?? |
| 01:37.34 | abrotman | !tell d0c about u |
| 01:37.39 | asg | d0c: because reading is a prerequisite for being more than a lump of putty |
| 01:37.40 | d0c | 3.1r5? |
| 01:37.45 | d0c | is the latest most tsbale |
| 01:37.48 | asg | d0c: yes |
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| 01:37.54 | d0c | thanx |
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| 01:38.21 | phreqmod | DawnLight, installed console-setup, same problem as you, can't input Hebrew. |
| 01:38.25 | Supaplex | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/xdv1aQ94.html yea. it shows "-" as the device though. I reloaded lpfc, no new effect. |
| 01:38.34 | Saz|Laptop | wow, i never noticed how out of date sarge is |
| 01:38.43 | phreqmod | DawnLight, anyway, let's try my way first, if it works then we can stop worrying |
| 01:39.08 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.08 | DawnLight | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 01:39.09 | DawnLight | get_console_fd: Invalid argument |
| 01:39.11 | enouf | well ..then do it as root .. the export command only lasts for the session you're in |
| 01:39.20 | asg | Saz|Laptop: you should try Vista, it's all the rage |
| 01:39.38 | Saz|Laptop | hurrr |
| 01:39.52 | amphi | rage seems an appropriate word |
| 01:40.05 | enouf | dromer: I'm not well versed in this stuff .. i know a little here and there .. so perhaps not the best answer I just gave ya |
| 01:40.06 | Saz|Laptop | yeah, more like it's all rage |
| 01:40.06 | phreqmod | DawnLight, don't want to be nosy, but are you Ask. or Seph. (from Iberia, not Miz.)? |
| 01:40.09 | dromer | enouf: Warning: gcc-3.3.5 missing |
| 01:40.12 | abrotman | Supaplex: dmesg say anytyhing ? |
| 01:40.22 | enouf | dromer: figures.. you need to install it |
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| 01:40.34 | dromer | hmm |
| 01:40.44 | DawnLight | phreqmod, i don't know what you just said |
| 01:40.50 | dromer | enouf: gcc is already the newest version |
| 01:41.03 | DawnLight | phreqmod, look up it gave me that |
| 01:41.20 | Supaplex | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/2ZhpFB36.html nothing all that significant... |
| 01:41.31 | phreqmod | DawnLight, oh, sorry, assumed you were jewish since you told me you wrote hebrew daily, nevermind, I was being nosy anyway ;) |
| 01:41.47 | enouf | dromer: yep .. it's your baby now ;-) .. go grab the .deb and install it using dpkg .. |
| 01:42.06 | phreqmod | Not My F. Business anyway, let's get thhose fonts working |
| 01:42.32 | d0c | if i have an intel celeron |
| 01:42.37 | d0c | which debina do i d/l? |
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| 01:42.44 | abrotman | Supaplex: and 'st' is loaded ? |
| 01:42.48 | Supaplex | yup |
| 01:43.02 | dromer | enouf: hmm, I think the newest is 3.4 though .. |
| 01:43.03 | enouf | d0c: i386 arch |
| 01:43.04 | neils | Hello, I have sound in kde with JACKS, but when I run audacity I'm getting no sound support....perhaps #audacity? |
| 01:43.15 | dromer | enouf: what .deb, of gcc ? |
| 01:43.22 | d0c | u sure? |
| 01:43.25 | wintix | !tell d0c about wud |
| 01:43.25 | enouf | dromer: it's ok to have more than one version of gcc installed |
| 01:43.30 | Supaplex | abrotman: lsmod | grep ^st = st 37276 0 |
| 01:43.36 | dromer | enouf: ok |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | Supaplex: you're not using ide-scsi are you ? |
| 01:43.49 | d0c | 3.1r5 is 10 iso cds?????????? |
| 01:43.55 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 01:43.55 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 01:43.59 | DawnLight | phreqmod, i am jewish because my parets are. i am no more jewish then i am islamic or buddhic |
| 01:43.59 | dromer | enouf: it's just that my kernel needs 3.5.5 specifically? |
| 01:44.07 | Supaplex | abrotman: nope. just ide_generic |
| 01:44.13 | enouf | d0c: yes .. for a celeron .. yes .. you'll want the 686 kernel whenever you see it |
| 01:44.14 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 01:44.16 | asg | d0c: the installation manual is very informative |
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| 01:44.41 | enouf | dromer: your kernel was built using that version (output of cat /proc/version) |
| 01:45.02 | d0c | how the hell can debian be 10 isos |
| 01:45.05 | dromer | ok |
| 01:45.06 | d0c | how big is the OS |
| 01:45.12 | enouf | dromer: and from you error .. the installer needs the sasme compiler as was used to match the kernel version |
| 01:45.26 | dromer | ok, though I can't find a .deb for it atm .. |
| 01:45.33 | asg | d0c: because it has 16k packages. Read the install manual and it will tell you that you can install the OS with nothing more than 2 floppies. |
| 01:45.36 | enouf | dromer: this error --> [!] Kernel compiler and gcc seem to be different versions |
| 01:45.47 | d0c | that i know |
| 01:45.49 | d0c | i read that |
| 01:45.51 | abrotman | !stats sarge |
| 01:45.56 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
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| 01:46.05 | d0c | is it possible for me to download debian in 1 -2 or even 3 cds? |
| 01:46.06 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15659 packages, 1473 maintainers, 28188 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
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| 01:46.23 | DawnLight | phreqmod, where did you get that font that you are using? |
| 01:46.28 | asg | d0c: you haven't been reading the manual have you? |
| 01:46.30 | karsten | !tell d0c about netinst |
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| 01:46.45 | karsten | d0c: 23,000 packages is how. |
| 01:47.09 | karsten | (that's somewhat more than is in etch, but is roughly a total package count). |
| 01:47.24 | dromer | man, gcc-3.5.5 only has only 14 results :S |
| 01:47.28 | phreqmod | DawnLight, of course, I understand. Anyway, I was just asking if your roots were Askenazi (i.e. Eastern Europe) of Sephardite (i.e. Iberia). Being from the US the first is a given with 90% chance. No difference at all in setting up the fonts though, it was just curiosity |
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| 01:47.35 | dromer | none that are usefull either |
| 01:47.41 | phreqmod | DawnLight, did sonsolechars worked? |
| 01:47.45 | phreqmod | er, consolechars? |
| 01:48.11 | dromer | ok, sleep-time, fix webcam later :P |
| 01:48.15 | enouf | dromer: http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/gcc-3.3 |
| 01:49.05 | karsten | 23,524 packages, counting testing, unstable, stable, and debian-multimedia.org |
| 01:49.27 | karsten | enouf: That's one of my favorite things to eat. |
| 01:49.32 | karsten | enouf: I commend you on your choice. |
| 01:49.45 | karsten | asg: 0xDEADBEEF |
| 01:49.50 | phreqmod | DawnLight, bear in mind that you will need appropriate support from an editor |
| 01:49.53 | phreqmod | For the input method |
| 01:50.13 | asg | karsten: my OpenVZ mac addresses are all prefixed with de:ad:be:ef |
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| 01:50.25 | wintix | :D |
| 01:50.43 | karsten | asg: Nice. |
| 01:51.13 | DawnLight | phreqmod, my father's parents were from poland, mom's father from tunese and her mother from turkey. the consolechars command not found |
| 01:51.14 | asg | karsten: not really but some PFY some years from now will probably look at the config and go: "What a fucking tool" |
| 01:51.26 | karsten | asg: And how wrong will he be? |
| 01:51.53 | asg | karsten: right on the mark |
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| 01:52.06 | karsten | asg: I didn't know your name was Mark. |
| 01:52.11 | DawnLight | phreqmod, can you type hebrew in the console cli? |
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| 01:52.48 | asg | karsten: Mark quite a few months back; I'm only here in an unofficial capacity |
| 01:53.09 | asg | *quit |
| 01:53.49 | karsten | *nods |
| 01:53.54 | DawnLight | phreqmod, i see that vi can't view UTF-8... |
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| 01:54.22 | karsten | DawnLight: Which vi? |
| 01:54.22 | phreqmod | DawnLight, sorry, my bloody awful connection keeps dropping |
| 01:55.05 | phreqmod | DawnLight, not found? consolechars? Bloody hell, I have it here listed as part of console-tools.... |
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| 01:55.26 | phreqmod | ehehe, thanks |
| 01:56.16 | DawnLight | phreqmod, now i found it! |
| 01:57.09 | Supaplex | !lart dlt media changer on fc |
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| 01:57.11 | karsten | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 01:57.18 | karsten | nice trends. |
| 01:57.43 | asg | karsten: on the up-n-up? |
| 01:57.59 | karsten | asg: falling. What's red v. green? |
| 01:58.25 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 01:58.28 | DawnLight | phreqmod, that font messed it up! |
| 01:58.30 | asg | karsten: similar to vserver |
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| 01:58.44 | asg | karsten: red is, iirc, stuff in sid; green is testing. |
| 01:58.51 | karsten | asg: Ye gads, now many virtualization systems are there going to be? |
| 01:58.55 | karsten | asg: OK. |
| 01:59.14 | karsten | asg: Right: The red line graphs all bugs with release-critical severities; the green line graphs the number of bugs that are actually a concern for the next release (excluding ignored bugs, bugs on packages not in testing, and bugs whose tags indicate that they don't apply to testing). |
| 01:59.16 | asg | karsten: I still have UML instances running on my network ;) |
| 01:59.31 | karsten | asg: Sick puppy. |
| 01:59.45 | asg | karsten: the live migration feature of OpenVZ is rather spiffy |
| 02:00.00 | karsten | asg: Schweet. I've seen that in Xen but not elsewhere. |
| 02:00.28 | asg | karsten: it's better in ovz since you don't have to use shared filesystems; it just does an rsync over ssh to move the whole filesystem. |
| 02:00.51 | karsten | asg: Ah... You can migrate FS not just RAM? |
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| 02:01.03 | phreqmod | DawnLight, messed it up? |
| 02:01.04 | karsten | asg: That could take bloody ages. |
| 02:01.11 | phreqmod | DawnLight, works fine for me... |
| 02:01.12 | asg | karsten: yes. I wouldn't use it on a 300Gig db vm but for some things, it's quite fast. |
| 02:01.30 | asg | karsten: it uses rsync so once you've migrated it back and forth a few times, it's quick. |
| 02:01.36 | karsten | Right. |
| 02:01.40 | karsten | Slackspace. |
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| 02:01.55 | DawnLight | phreqmod, now i don't see anything on the console!! |
| 02:02.10 | karsten | asg: What would be *truely* cool would be a way to do a P2V of real to virtual, via a live migration. |
| 02:02.18 | DawnLight | phreqmod, nothing! but i know it's there because when i backspace it beeps |
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| 02:03.27 | asg | karsten: tough since you'd have to freeze the kernel/mem structures of one virtualization system, translate the format to the other, move it, and bring it online. Not impossible. |
| 02:03.45 | phreqmod | DawnLight, ummmmmmmmmm, probably problems due to the framebuffer... I don0't use one, that's why I don't have that problem... |
| 02:03.46 | asg | karsten: better just to schedule some maintenance time |
| 02:03.58 | karsten | asg: There'd be a mapping going on. It wouldn't be *too* different from swsusp, I'd think. |
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| 02:04.04 | phreqmod | DawnLight, try to acces another cirtual console (Ctrl-Alt+F2 for example) |
| 02:04.14 | phreqmod | DawnLight, is it still messed up? |
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| 02:04.32 | DawnLight | phreqmod - wow what a save! i typed dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and kept pressing enter until it was back |
| 02:04.33 | asg | karsten: no, probably not too different. Interesting idea. |
| 02:04.39 | karsten | asg: The delta would be in configuring the virtual instance to match the real such that everything alligned properly. Maybe not a live migrate per se, but a hibernate/restore. |
| 02:05.00 | karsten | asg: Downtime of a minute or so, no loss of state. |
| 02:05.08 | DawnLight | karsten, vi won't display utf8 for me |
| 02:05.11 | phreqmod | DawnLight, it could also be the intereaction with console-tools and consolechars :P |
| 02:05.22 | karsten | DawnLight: ls -l /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 02:05.42 | karsten | DawnLight: which vi are you using? Usually nvi or vim. I'd suggest vim, which I believe has UTF-8 support. |
| 02:05.51 | asg | karsten: we've done that win UML instances to the extent that we shut an instance down, moved the loopback filesystem to an ovz box, unrolled the loopback fs and just ... booted it |
| 02:05.59 | asg | *with |
| 02:06.01 | karsten | DawnLight: Yep, it does. |
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| 02:06.35 | karsten | asg: Right. What that lacks is the idea of doing the move while the instance is live. Restricting transfer to dirty pages. |
| 02:06.52 | asg | karsten: yeah, have a good one |
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| 02:07.10 | wintix | DawnLight: /whois Bhaal |
| 02:07.15 | wintix | wah. wtf. |
| 02:07.40 | asg | wintix: your tab-fu is weak, take a mulligan |
| 02:08.35 | wintix | hm. i like my tab-fu when it's working as intended |
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| 02:11.15 | wintix | hehe. |
| 02:14.08 | DawnLight | okay, so now i see hebrew in the console but it's all in reverse |
| 02:14.40 | abrotman | that's the way hebrew is! |
| 02:14.46 | DawnLight | and karsten, vim does show me the hebrew characters - in reverse |
| 02:14.56 | DawnLight | hebrew is RTL |
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| 02:15.18 | DawnLight | what can i do about this? i am guessing it needs some kind of thing |
| 02:15.49 | karsten | DawnLight: vim lets you swap RTL/LTR. /join #vim |
| 02:16.02 | DawnLight | abrotman, you have experience with hebrew? |
| 02:16.04 | phreqmod | So does Emacs, do does Emacs! |
| 02:16.12 | phreqmod | + tetris |
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| 02:16.21 | abrotman | DawnLight: not in about 15 years :) |
| 02:16.24 | Inc | what package is "finger" under? |
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| 02:16.35 | DawnLight | that's before linux, isn't it |
| 02:16.39 | abrotman | !find bin/finger sarge |
| 02:16.51 | Inc | hmmm? |
| 02:16.53 | abrotman | DawnLight: it's about the time my little bro had his bar mitzvah :) |
| 02:16.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/finger' (2): (/usr/bin/finger-ldap) in net/finger-ldap ;; (/usr/bin/finger) in net/finger,net/finger-ldap. |
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| 02:17.19 | abrotman | !hebrew |
| 02:17.19 | dpkg | from memory, hebrew is to install hebrew fonts in debian: apt-get install culmus, or check out http://iglu.org.il/faq/cache/8.html or http://debian-hebrew.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 02:17.26 | Inc | hmmm, which one do I want =) |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | finger |
| 02:18.04 | Inc | thanks |
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| 02:18.20 | asg | abrotman: does is smell like scratch and sniff #6 on the Leather Goddesses of Phobos interactive olfactory card? |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | asg: more like eggs ... want a sniff ? |
| 02:19.49 | asg | abrotman: I'll pass |
| 02:19.53 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:21.10 | phreqmod | dWell, time to go |
| 02:21.12 | phreqmod | night all |
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| 02:22.16 | andy_ | Hi, can anyone help me with networkmanager? when I try to connect to my WPA network, It brings up a box to type in my WPA password, but after I type in my password, the connect button is disabled. Does anyone know a quick fix? |
| 02:23.07 | StarWars | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5759 mysql |
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| 02:33.47 | bzed | StarWars: run a mysql server? |
| 02:36.19 | StarWars | bzed no work |
| 02:36.52 | bzed | !esp |
| 02:36.53 | dpkg | i guess esp is I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand? |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | why is mysqladmin in /usr/local/bin ? |
| 02:41.37 | StarWars | mysql problem http://channels.debian.net/paste/5760 |
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| 02:42.06 | pickcoder | StarWars: are you capable of completing a question in english? |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | IIRC .. StarWars is chinese |
| 02:42.36 | StarWars | i use apt-get install mysql-server |
| 02:42.56 | StarWars | so he install mysqladmin in /usr/local/bin |
| 02:43.05 | abrotman | no it didn't |
| 02:43.06 | StarWars | in /usr/bin/mysqladmin |
| 02:43.18 | StarWars | yes it is in /usr/bin/mysqladmin |
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| 02:44.07 | StarWars | in my /usr/local/bin is nothing |
| 02:44.15 | lisapc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:45.51 | pickcoder | StarWars: /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 02:46.45 | pickcoder | lisapc: are you using dhclient? |
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| 02:47.11 | lisapc | pickcoder, how can I know if using dhclient?? |
| 02:47.21 | pickcoder | you would have had to set it up |
| 02:47.26 | lisapc | not surte |
| 02:47.38 | lisapc | newbie |
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| 02:47.50 | pickcoder | then it's anyone's guess as to whether that's a false positive or a real sniffer |
| 02:48.03 | StarWars | abrotman any idder ? on my post ? |
| 02:48.06 | pickcoder | get rkhunter if you're on etch |
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| 02:48.13 | Supaplex | abrotman: http://www.emulex.com/white/hba/wp_linux26udev.pdf looks like what I'm after. :) I'll let you know my results soon. |
| 02:48.42 | StarWars | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 02:48.55 | pickcoder | StarWars: review your logs for mysql |
| 02:48.56 | StarWars | pickcoder i run all bases commands |
| 02:49.01 | pickcoder | my guess is.. permissions |
| 02:49.41 | Supaplex | all your database are belong to PostgreSQL ;) |
| 02:50.56 | StarWars | pickcoder i dont have no Line in /var/log/mysql.err ... |
| 02:51.19 | Guerin | StarWars: in that case, you must have some lines |
| 02:51.24 | pickcoder | StarWars: what about mysql.log |
| 02:51.34 | StarWars | nothing ..no line |
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| 02:51.48 | StarWars | i just reboot the server ...so i will try restart ..start |
| 02:51.52 | pickcoder | can't help you then |
| 02:51.58 | pickcoder | no logs.. no information for helping |
| 02:51.59 | StarWars | and my home off mysql is " mysql mysql 4096 Mar 20 03:38 mysql " |
| 02:52.06 | StarWars | so in right chown |
| 02:54.00 | pickcoder | StarWars: is there a mysql.pid in /var/run/mysql |
| 02:54.00 | lisapc | pickcoder, yu ae not helping |
| 02:54.21 | lisapc | pickcoder, tell me something useful pls. lets assume its a packet sniffer, whats the solution? |
| 02:54.52 | pickcoder | lisapc: see what /sbin/dhclient3 is.. the pid is 4245 based on your chkrootkit report |
| 02:55.33 | StarWars | pickcoder i will chk later ..now box is down. |
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| 02:55.44 | lisapc | pickcoder, how do I see /sbin/dhclient3? |
| 02:56.26 | pickcoder | lisapc: dpkg --search dhclient3 |
| 02:56.30 | pickcoder | see if it's part of a package |
| 02:56.35 | lisapc | ok brb |
| 02:56.37 | pickcoder | before you do that |
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| 02:57.03 | lisapc | pickcoder, dhcp3-client: /usr/share/man/man8/dhclient3.8.gz and dhcp3-client: /sbin/dhclient3 |
| 02:57.05 | pickcoder | ps 4245 |
| 02:57.14 | pickcoder | make sure it hasn't changed pids |
| 02:57.50 | pickcoder | then it's a valid application, but that doesn't mean it's not compromised |
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| 02:58.00 | lisapc | pickcoder, ps says: 4245 ? S<s 0:00 dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0 |
| 02:58.11 | pickcoder | use google and find out if anyone else has had false positives from dhclient3 and chkrootkit |
| 02:58.15 | lisapc | pickcoder, what now? |
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| 02:58.32 | lisapc | pickcoder, you are not being helpful at all, no, not at all :( |
| 02:58.34 | pickcoder | if so.. I wouldn't worry about it |
| 02:58.34 | lisapc | bbl |
| 02:58.45 | liable | lisapc: firstly, check for false positives |
| 02:58.52 | lisapc | liable, how? |
| 02:59.00 | pickcoder | liable: I'm trying to establish that |
| 02:59.05 | pickcoder | google is about the only way |
| 02:59.08 | liable | lisapc: the checkrootkit site and google |
| 02:59.16 | pickcoder | you can't rely on the chkrootkit site |
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| 02:59.43 | lisapc | someone in othet channel said: lisapc: I just ran chkrootkit on a box that's never been connected and I got: eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[4108]) This box has never had anything but the install cd. |
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| 03:00.06 | pickcoder | dhclient is used for getting dhcp licenses from things like cable modem and dsl |
| 03:00.36 | pickcoder | lemme see if my box has promiscuous mode on |
| 03:00.55 | lisapc | pickcoder, on ubuntu forums, someone said: This listens for a DHCP server for dynamically allocated IP address configurations. It's harmless... |
| 03:00.59 | pickcoder | yes |
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| 03:01.05 | pickcoder | my box is not infected |
| 03:01.08 | pickcoder | and it says that |
| 03:01.12 | pickcoder | running Etch |
| 03:01.17 | lisapc | pickcoder, you get same mesage? |
| 03:01.30 | pickcoder | it also complains about IRC port 6667 as bindshell being infected |
| 03:01.37 | lisapc | lol |
| 03:01.48 | lisapc | pickcoder, so u gt same message as me? |
| 03:01.50 | pickcoder | get rkhunter |
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| 03:01.55 | pickcoder | lisapc: yes |
| 03:01.59 | lisapc | i ran rkhunter and its clean |
| 03:02.05 | pickcoder | then don't worry about it |
| 03:02.11 | lisapc | ok |
| 03:02.13 | lisapc | :-) |
| 03:02.14 | lisapc | bye |
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| 03:03.43 | DawnLight | i am having a broblem here with some file names that appear to me to be encoded in some manner that is not UTF-8 but i am not sure about this. what happens is i can't open some files with openoffice and it says that it can't find them |
| 03:03.59 | DawnLight | perhaps it's just hebrew files, i will check |
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| 03:04.39 | MrWGW | good evening |
| 03:04.53 | MrWGW | I'm trilled to report that I'm installing Debian for the first time into a VM |
| 03:05.40 | MrWGW | it's the last major Linux distro I haven't used, although I have used Ubuntu, and I met some great Debian guys at Scale 5x, so I'm looking forard to giving it a try |
| 03:06.25 | bzed | Supaplex: any problems with emulex stuff? I'm jsut wondering as we're using/going to use a lot of their FC cards |
| 03:06.26 | pickcoder | it's the third major distro I've used and I've only used 3 |
| 03:06.42 | DawnLight | MrWGW, from what media are you installing? |
| 03:06.49 | MrWGW | downloaded .iso |
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| 03:07.06 | MrWGW | which will hopefully work |
| 03:07.12 | MrWGW | it usually does with most distros |
| 03:07.13 | DawnLight | which one? |
| 03:07.21 | MrWGW | i386 image 1 or somesuch |
| 03:07.22 | MrWGW | hold on |
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| 03:07.39 | pickcoder | MrWGW: sarge (3.1) is definately not the best representation of hardware support |
| 03:07.42 | MrWGW | Debian-31r1-i386-binary1.iso |
| 03:07.57 | MrWGW | right, from what I've heard etch is better |
| 03:07.59 | MrWGW | so I might try it also |
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| 03:08.02 | pickcoder | !d-i |
| 03:08.02 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 03:08.10 | MrWGW | that said, hardware support isn't really a concern of mine with VMWare |
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| 03:08.47 | MrWGW | if I go to do a bare metal install, I'll probably wait for Etch to be released |
| 03:08.48 | pickcoder | 2.6.8 is the latest kernel in 3.1, but you have to specify linux26 at the install boot prompt to get it by default |
| 03:08.53 | pickcoder | otherwise you'll get 2.4.27 |
| 03:09.09 | MrWGW | well I've never used a system with a 2.4 kernel |
| 03:09.11 | g3brown | How do you list the services that start at boot time? I installed DHCP3 a while back and I'm not sure if it runs at start. |
| 03:09.12 | MrWGW | so that would be interesting |
| 03:09.21 | DawnLight | MrWGW, the most wonderful thing i found about debian besides the great help from people is the businesscard iso |
| 03:09.22 | MrWGW | note that I am not using this for production purposes |
| 03:09.35 | MrWGW | hmm |
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| 03:10.05 | MrWGW | right now I'm working on deleting some VMs I haven't used recently |
| 03:10.29 | MrWGW | I keep one VM on this system to run a server app, and that has to stay, and I like to keep one around to do random things with |
| 03:10.31 | pickcoder | sarge is rock solid |
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| 03:10.51 | MrWGW | btw have any of you used Debian GNU/Hurd? |
| 03:10.55 | pickcoder | I personally think that Etch is more stable, right now, than RHES |
| 03:10.56 | MrWGW | is that worth downloading (for fun)? |
| 03:11.04 | pickcoder | and much less expensive.. <g> |
| 03:11.20 | MrWGW | you can download a free trial of RHEL though from Red Hat, or you can download Unbreakable Linux or CentOS |
| 03:11.28 | MrWGW | and the trial is not time-locked in any case |
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| 03:11.34 | bezao | ns23862:/etc/apache2# ../init.d/apache2 start |
| 03:11.34 | bezao | Starting web server: Apache2(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 03:11.35 | bezao | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 03:11.35 | bezao | Unable to open logs |
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| 03:11.39 | bezao | whats wrong? |
| 03:11.46 | pickcoder | don't flood |
| 03:11.59 | MrWGW | that said, I would rather like it if RHEL was more readily availible |
| 03:12.00 | bezao | sorry :S |
| 03:12.04 | DawnLight | does anyone know how i set the LANGUAGE locale for good? it seems that export LANGUAGE="" changes it until reboot |
| 03:12.06 | bezao | i didnt read the topic |
| 03:12.08 | bezao | can u help me? |
| 03:12.12 | MrWGW | but Red Hat I think is doing a better job at that than they were previously |
| 03:12.23 | MrWGW | even early last year Red Hat would not let you download for free, now they do |
| 03:12.26 | pickcoder | DawnLight: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 03:12.45 | juice` | is it possible to run apache2 + php as mod_fcgid and run php code in .html files? |
| 03:12.50 | bezao | http://sial.org/pbot/23615 WHAT's wrong here? |
| 03:12.51 | DawnLight | i'll try that, pickcoder |
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| 03:13.01 | pickcoder | MrWGW: yeah.. kinda.. Apart from the fact that I still can't get sz fixed for sending files via Zmodem |
| 03:13.12 | pickcoder | which wasn't broken in prior releases of RH |
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| 03:13.26 | pickcoder | regardless, this isn't RH |
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| 03:14.44 | corpcomp | I am wanting to do something like this with apt-get "apt-get install libdbd-*-perl" (this does not work) How can this be done without having to list every module? |
| 03:14.54 | DawnLight | pickcoder, i've chosen my locales in reconfigure locales and then typed locale to check and it didn't change the LANGUAGE |
| 03:15.02 | pickcoder | bezao: netstat -a | grep 80 |
| 03:15.04 | pickcoder | er |
| 03:15.09 | MrWGW | I am really distro agnostic |
| 03:15.09 | pickcoder | netstat -ap | grep 80 |
| 03:15.17 | MrWGW | the only distro I'd refuse to use is Xandros |
| 03:15.19 | pickcoder | MrWGW: I despise RPM |
| 03:15.24 | pickcoder | after using for many years |
| 03:15.27 | MrWGW | well RPMs are annoying |
| 03:15.29 | bezao | pik |
| 03:15.38 | MrWGW | that said, of the RPM management utilities out there, Yum is the best one I've used |
| 03:15.41 | juice` | is it possible to run apache2 + php as mod_fcgid and run php code in .html files? |
| 03:15.49 | MrWGW | I can't figure out how to use You from the command prompt, and URPMI struck me as being a disaster |
| 03:15.56 | MrWGW | Suse and Red Hat RPMs are often compatible |
| 03:15.58 | pickcoder | DawnLight: log out and back in |
| 03:16.03 | MrWGW | but almost nothing is compatible with Mandriva |
| 03:16.17 | MrWGW | that said, my hope is that the LSB will make this argument moot |
| 03:16.24 | jin | hey guys i need a C ldap(v3) library .. i just installed libldap2-dev but am not sure its version 3... any suggestions (unstable on i686) |
| 03:16.30 | MrWGW | if were lucky |
| 03:16.51 | MrWGW | the best UNIX package management I've seen is on PC BSD |
| 03:17.00 | MrWGW | it uses .pbis, which are like Windows .exe installers |
| 03:17.09 | MrWGW | and it also has Ports |
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| 03:17.27 | MrWGW | but Synaptic in Ubuntu is quite nice also |
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| 03:21.44 | DawnLight | still no chane in LANGUAGE |
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| 03:23.10 | pickcoder | DawnLight: what's in /etc/locale.gen |
| 03:23.30 | pickcoder | then check /etc/default/local |
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| 03:23.36 | Hachiko | hi, how do i remove a missing link? |
| 03:23.36 | pickcoder | er |
| 03:23.38 | pickcoder | locale |
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| 03:24.53 | peterS | Hachiko: what do you mean, a missing link? you can remove any symlink with 'rm' |
| 03:25.09 | c0uin | hello all |
| 03:25.21 | Hachiko | for example, when i type "java it gives me this bash: java: command not found |
| 03:25.27 | DawnLight | #he_IL ISO-8859-8 |
| 03:25.29 | DawnLight | en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 03:25.29 | DawnLight | he_IL.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 03:25.34 | Hachiko | but if i type javac, it gives me bash: /usr/bin/javac: No such file or directory |
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| 03:26.05 | Supaplex | bzed: just getting into it. I'm trying to wrap my head around that pdf, and the updates to udev since it was written. |
| 03:26.15 | c0uin | i begin under debian and i have a problem, my /dev/random is every time empty |
| 03:26.20 | peterS | Hachiko: type 'hash -r' |
| 03:26.43 | Hachiko | ah...thanks..it worked |
| 03:26.47 | Supaplex | bzed: seems to work nice, according to some things I see in syslog, but I can't say much yet. I don't have mt talking to the tape drive yet... :-/ |
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| 03:27.10 | bzed | Supaplex: i never had a real problem with that, the only thing is that you'll ahve a ton of /dev/sd... devices as soon as one path goes down and up again. if you have a few switches and stuff, that can go a bit crazy |
| 03:27.11 | DawnLight | # File generated by update-locale |
| 03:27.11 | DawnLight | LANG=he_IL.UTF-8 |
| 03:27.21 | c0uin | i read the man page but dont understand why he stays empty |
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| 03:28.08 | bzed | Supaplex: if you're doing no multipathing at all, it should just work without any modifications on the udev stuff at all, at least on etch. probably you want to fix the device by using a symlink or so. using the values from sysfs works for that |
| 03:28.11 | pickcoder | DawnLight: your system default is hebrew |
| 03:28.15 | c0uin | if anyone can help me please |
| 03:28.38 | peterS | DawnLight: LANGUAGE is not really necessary, in fact it can cause strange interactions with some software due to its design. LANG is much more widely used |
| 03:28.59 | bzed | !tell c0uin about ask |
| 03:29.07 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i upgrade my kernel to 2.6.20, I don't have /dev/snd anymore, why? |
| 03:29.23 | TraceGreen | I have loaded my alsa driver to kernel |
| 03:29.27 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 03:29.36 | Einsteinium | perhaps it was incompatible |
| 03:29.38 | bzed | TraceGreen: there's no 2.6.20 in debian officially, so that sound slike something you need to solve on your own |
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| 03:30.06 | DawnLight | now to why i get hebrew filenames that were migrated from windows as "?????" |
| 03:30.09 | TraceGreen | bzed, ok |
| 03:30.19 | Supaplex | bzed: http://rafb.net/p/LLla7j81.html humm.. is all I can say so far. |
| 03:30.45 | bzed | Supaplex: looks fine so far |
| 03:30.48 | Hachiko | what file should i edit to do selective startups? |
| 03:31.01 | DawnLight | any comments on that, pickcoder/peterS? |
| 03:31.05 | bzed | what are selective startups for you Hachiko ? |
| 03:31.33 | DawnLight | sorry, i let my frustration through |
| 03:31.34 | Hachiko | for example, when i restart the machine, certain services are automatically started, like ftp, pop3 etc.. |
| 03:32.07 | peterS | DawnLight: I can't read any hebrew encodings so I can't be sure what your problem is. but there are multiple ways to represent hebrew characters and you may have to convert filenames if you're moving them from one system to another. some tools (like samba) have a facility for doing this automatically, others don't |
| 03:32.14 | c0uin | well i have debian-31r5 and have a problem with /dev/random, he stays empty. I test ti put a script in start but nothing. |
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| 03:32.23 | Hachiko | something to do with init.d i think |
| 03:32.30 | mindframe_ | how do i install the desktop package selections? |
| 03:32.40 | pickcoder | which codepage did windows use for the hebrew lang? |
| 03:33.20 | Supaplex | bzed: yea, but I don't have /dev/st* :-/ |
| 03:33.28 | DawnLight | you say samba does it automatically, peterS? you mean full hands-off no-need-to-know-it's-even-happening automatic? |
| 03:33.29 | peterS | native win32 apps would just use the UCS-2 / UTF-16 encodings of Unicode for hebrew characters, but I don't know what gets put in ZIP files and the like |
| 03:33.36 | pickcoder | DawnLight: you should be able to use iso8859-8 from what I've read |
| 03:33.41 | simonrvn | Hachiko: you means starting as single user for example? |
| 03:33.55 | pickcoder | unless they are in utf-8 format on windows |
| 03:34.20 | DawnLight | pickcoder, i like the idea of using only utf-8 and something that automatically converts |
| 03:35.10 | Hachiko | simonrvn, yup |
| 03:35.17 | peterS | DawnLight: if you want your Linux box to use UTF-8, you specify 'unix charset = utf8' in /etc/samba/smb.conf. for legacy MS-DOS apps to work correctly you have to specify the appropriate code page in the 'dos charset' parameter. for newer win32 apps, they'll just use UTF-16 so the 'dos charset' is not important |
| 03:35.34 | Hachiko | i have to do /etc/init.d/pop3ad stop everytime the machine is restarted..and more |
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| 03:35.59 | simonrvn | seems you need to fix the symlinks |
| 03:35.59 | peterS | DawnLight: well, by 'newer win32 apps' I guess I'm really referring to newer OSes like NT4, Windows 2000 and beyond |
| 03:36.09 | simonrvn | Hachiko: update-rc.d |
| 03:36.15 | bzed | Supaplex: tell udev to create a symlink :P although I'm not sure if you need that at all, device names should be configureable |
| 03:37.32 | bzed | Supaplex: but I have no clue about tape drives as all we have to do is to install the client for our university-wide backup |
| 03:37.58 | Supaplex | humm ok. |
| 03:38.18 | pickcoder | tape drivers were supported by the kernel since like 2.2 |
| 03:38.38 | c0uin | all file about random seems to have right value |
| 03:38.40 | pickcoder | if it's a streaming cartridge |
| 03:38.50 | c0uin | but he stays empty |
| 03:38.53 | bejo | how can i install tar.gz file into a distro based in debian? |
| 03:38.56 | peterS | ah, much longer ago than that. but certain tape drives don't use the generic SCSI command set for same |
| 03:39.09 | bzed | pickcoder: FC can be a bit nasty, it's not just dumb scsi :) |
| 03:39.13 | Hachiko | simonrvn,thanks... |
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| 03:39.28 | peterS | bejo: "tar.gz" tells us nothing much, that just means it's a bunch of files compacted into an archive file. the contents still could be in any format |
| 03:39.40 | bzed | Hachiko: you probably just want to remove the packge if you don't use that service |
| 03:39.42 | pickcoder | FC? |
| 03:39.46 | peterS | bejo: you can extract the contents with 'tar xzf filename.tar.gz' though |
| 03:39.53 | peterS | pickcoder: fibre channel |
| 03:39.57 | pickcoder | oh |
| 03:40.03 | peterS | as opposed to fedora core |
| 03:40.11 | pickcoder | still haven't had a chance to play with fibre channel |
| 03:40.15 | pickcoder | one day maybe |
| 03:40.16 | bzed | bejo: what do you want to install? sure that there's not a debian packge with it? |
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| 03:40.17 | bejo | peterS: thnx 4 info |
| 03:40.21 | simonrvn | c0uin: are you rebooting often? if so, try not to so much. you don't really need to with a *nix unless you have a freeze or reboot to another kernel. if you need entropy ("random being empty") run something like file /usr -iname '*foo*' for a few minutes |
| 03:40.29 | pickcoder | if I can convince the mgrs to get one of Doug's flash systems |
| 03:40.38 | simonrvn | Hachiko: has a nice man page and --help |
| 03:40.40 | bejo | bzed: xrmap |
| 03:41.08 | bzed | pickcoder: not always fun. good thing is that I have no time to visit the cebit, I'd have chopped off some heads probably :P |
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| 03:41.34 | pickcoder | never been to CEBIT.. is it worth the travel? I'm in the states. |
| 03:42.04 | c0uin | i need /dev/random to crypt partition with loop-aes |
| 03:42.09 | gonzaloaf_laptop | streuner, hi did you helped me to set up aiglx on debian? |
| 03:42.18 | pickcoder | the last computer expo I went to was Comdex in 03 and it sucked |
| 03:42.18 | DawnLight | i don't understand. samba seems to be a file and printer server that is compatible with windows. does it contain a program that scans filenames and converts their encoding? |
| 03:42.44 | StarWars | what source i nedd to can install php5.2.1 stable mysql 5x and java jkd ? |
| 03:42.46 | c0uin | but he stays empty every time. I move the mouse, i write but nothing write in /dev/random |
| 03:43.13 | peterS | DawnLight: I didn't mean that. it is a file server. what I mean is, as a file server it lets you store files on your linux box which are accessed from your windows boxes, and filenames will look correct on both ends. |
| 03:43.44 | pickcoder | Samba also consists of Linux tools for mounting Windows shares and attaching to windows printers |
| 03:43.45 | bzed | pickcoder: nah, not worth a travel from the states to europe. spend some holidays here during the cebit time and visit it when you're here anyway... |
| 03:44.41 | bzed | StarWars: just the normal testing sources. |
| 03:45.16 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, can somebody help me to go back to gnome + metacity? I'm using gnome + beryl now with aiglx but I'm sick of the effects and I want to go back to metacity, how can I do it? |
| 03:45.22 | bzed | pickcoder: or better come over for holidays during the FOSDEM or so ;) |
| 03:45.30 | pickcoder | c0uin: cat /dev/random > test.txt |
| 03:45.35 | bzed | gonzaloaf_laptop: are you using ubuntu? |
| 03:45.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | bzed, debian etch |
| 03:45.49 | DawnLight | oh... well then what is the solution for converting filenames? |
| 03:45.50 | Hachiko | how do i make ./program works as program? |
| 03:45.56 | bzed | gonzaloaf_laptop: there's no beryl in etch |
| 03:45.58 | pickcoder | heh.. I've got twins on the way.. unfortunately it will be a while before I can travel to EU |
| 03:46.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | bzed, yes it is |
| 03:46.09 | pickcoder | for vacation anyway |
| 03:46.23 | bzed | gonzaloaf_laptop: no |
| 03:46.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | bzed, I'm sorry, I meant compiz |
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| 03:46.44 | pickcoder | c0uin: you will have to ctrl-c to stop it |
| 03:46.56 | pickcoder | if it fills test.txt then random is working |
| 03:47.10 | peterS | DawnLight: do you know the MS-DOS code page for Hebrew? I don't happen to. but say for example it is code page 899. then you could do a one-line shell script like so: find . -depth | while read f; do g=$(echo "$f" | iconv -f cp899 -t utf-8); if [ "$f" != "$g" ]; then mv "$f" "$g"; fi; done |
| 03:47.12 | c0uin | nothing |
| 03:47.29 | pickcoder | 863 is hebrew I think |
| 03:47.34 | c0uin | he's writing nothin in /dev/random |
| 03:47.35 | pickcoder | don't quote me on it, though |
| 03:47.52 | pickcoder | c0uin: I dunno. Which version of Debian? |
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| 03:47.58 | peterS | DawnLight: but that only works if you know what encoding the filenames were in before. and we're assuming that your files are in cp863 (as pickcoder thinks) rather than some non-MS-DOS encoding |
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| 03:48.18 | bzed | gonzaloaf_laptop: I guess removing the compiz-gnome is one way to do that. but I actualyl dunno if there's any other way as I'm not using gnome |
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| 03:48.51 | pickcoder | 862.. sorry |
| 03:49.04 | c0uin | pickcoder: 3.1 r5 |
| 03:49.06 | peterS | DawnLight: hmm, google seems to indicate code page 1255 |
| 03:49.10 | DawnLight | peterS, i don't know about codepages and i don't write scripts. there must be an automatic solution for converting filenames once they are accesed or downloaded or copied etc. there is this convmv thing that does filename conversions, perhaps it can help? or some program that automates it? |
| 03:49.12 | gonzaloaf_laptop | bzed, I have to edit xorg.conf also |
| 03:49.28 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, can somebody help me to go back to gnome + metacity? from gnome + compiz +aiglx? |
| 03:49.43 | bzed | c0uin: man 4 random |
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| 03:49.52 | pickcoder | peterS: depends on the win release dos code page is 862 |
| 03:49.54 | bzed | gonzaloaf_laptop: you can just leave aixgl on |
| 03:49.55 | c0uin | i read |
| 03:50.06 | peterS | pickcoder: ahh, ok. and it seems 863 is something else. |
| 03:50.13 | bzed | c0uin: it may take _time_ to fill the entropy pool of /dev/random |
| 03:50.14 | pickcoder | 8858-8 cp862 |
| 03:50.17 | pickcoder | gah |
| 03:50.21 | pickcoder | 8859-8 cp862 |
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| 03:50.38 | c0uin | but don'tunderstand where is the problem |
| 03:50.44 | peterS | DawnLight: how did you get your files from your Windows system to your Linux system? the method can make a difference. for example, if you are accessing an external USB drive that contains files from your Windows system, you can get the right filenames automatically with just a mount option |
| 03:50.51 | pickcoder | c0uin: is this a stock kernel? |
| 03:50.58 | bzed | c0uin: and you can easyly empty it. you probably want to use /dev/urandom instead, which is not THAT secure, but it'll not block |
| 03:51.46 | DawnLight | peterS, they were copied from a DVD that was burnt using windows |
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| 03:52.16 | bzed | c0uin: antropy needs to be generated. and generating secure entropy needs _time_. moving a mouse will probably give you a few bytes of entropy, but it's nothign fast |
| 03:52.38 | rainabba_ | Can anyone tell me if the Xen 3.0.3 packages for 2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 has sdl or vnc support built in? |
| 03:52.44 | rainabba_ | Hey bzed |
| 03:52.47 | bzed | c0uin: use cat /dev/random | xxd to see how slow it is |
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| 03:53.05 | peterS | DawnLight: ok. so try this: "mount -t udf -o utf8" or "mount -t udf -o iocharset=utf8" (not sure if they both work, or if only one of them does). |
| 03:53.37 | peterS | DawnLight: ...I mean, use that command line for mounting the DVD. so like "mount -t udf -o iocharset=utf8 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom" |
| 03:53.39 | pickcoder | you can also do vfat with 8859-8 and specify the 862 codepage |
| 03:53.52 | bzed | rainabba_: O_o for what? just start a vnc server. youi can switch to the guests console whenever you want |
| 03:54.17 | pickcoder | er.. maybe not for DVD. |
| 03:54.22 | pickcoder | ignore me |
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| 03:54.32 | peterS | pickcoder: vfat, joliet and udf all know their own character set (they're all unicode-based), the only question is what charset the kernel should use to represent the files on the linux system |
| 03:54.42 | DawnLight | peterS, the DVD is gone now and the files are in home |
| 03:54.58 | pickcoder | true |
| 03:55.01 | bzed | rainabba_: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq#head-055e0812e71ae0f61611e211e2a320d20716e2b9 |
| 03:55.02 | rainabba_ | bzed: I was just reading that it may have been compiled w/o VNC support. My domU seems to start fine, but qemu never launches and neither does a vnc server for the guest. |
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| 03:55.21 | bzed | rainabba_: xen does NOT use qemu |
| 03:55.32 | peterS | DawnLight: hmmm so the question becomes, what charset did the linux kernel use by default when copying those files. I think it uses the NLS default, which you can get with 'grep CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT /boot/config-$(uname -r)' |
| 03:55.39 | bzed | rainabba_: those are totalyl different things. you're probably mixing xen with kvm |
| 03:55.41 | MrWGW | what was the option for installing Sarge with linux 2.6.x? |
| 03:55.51 | MrWGW | and if I'm running in VMWare is there any real point to it? |
| 03:55.54 | bzed | !tell MrWGW about sarge 2.6.20 |
| 03:55.57 | rainabba_ | bzed: The guys in ##zen seem to think different. This is an HVM so there's no consoel. |
| 03:56.09 | MrWGW | because I'm fine using 2.4, I've never used it before and think it might be interesting |
| 03:56.10 | bzed | MrWGW: in vmware - no, just install a default sarge |
| 03:56.16 | MrWGW | ok |
| 03:56.19 | pickcoder | linux26 |
| 03:56.20 | peterS | DawnLight: on Debian kernels this will be iso8859-1, which makes the necessary conversion a bit confusing |
| 03:56.21 | rainabba_ | bzed: ##xen I meant |
| 03:56.24 | pickcoder | at the boot install prompt |
| 03:56.24 | DawnLight | peterS, do you think this can help: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/enca.1.html |
| 03:56.25 | MrWGW | running |
| 03:56.28 | MrWGW | if I'm lucky it will work |
| 03:56.42 | MrWGW | so far so good |
| 03:56.53 | bzed | rainabba_: since when don't you ahve any console!? man xm |
| 03:57.03 | peterS | DawnLight: that seems to deal only with the contents of files, which is not the primary issue here - we're worried about _filenames_ themselves here |
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| 03:57.18 | peterS | DawnLight: contents you can convert using 'recode' or other utilities |
| 03:57.22 | MrWGW | hmm yes nice installer |
| 03:57.48 | bzed | rainabba_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/322 |
| 03:58.06 | bzed | MrWGW: you want to think about installing etch, though. |
| 03:58.11 | MrWGW | I had a really weird dream recently about some abnormal glitch with ReiserFS |
| 03:58.17 | peterS | DawnLight: if the linux kernel used iso8859-1 for filenames when you copied the contents of the DVD, I'm guessing your filenames cannot be reconstructed at all, there simply is not enough information left. you will need your original filenames, probably by getting the DVD back |
| 03:58.19 | DawnLight | oh right my bad, peterS |
| 03:58.21 | MrWGW | so in light of that, I'm relieved to see ext3 installing |
| 03:58.31 | MrWGW | see, I make my IT decisions based on dreams and other hallucinations |
| 03:58.33 | MrWGW | no, j/k |
| 03:58.33 | MrWGW | :-P |
| 03:58.57 | MrWGW | yeah I'll probably use Etch once its released, if not earlier |
| 03:59.05 | MrWGW | but I really am excited about playing with Sarge and the 2.4 kernel |
| 03:59.11 | MrWGW | I also love this installer |
| 03:59.24 | MrWGW | its simple, but its extremely clear what your supposed to do, just outstanding |
| 03:59.27 | peterS | MrWGW: now that the installer rc2 is released, I'd definitely encourage most people to use that, especially if you're installing a new box rather than just contemplating upgrading an old one |
| 03:59.31 | pickcoder | you should play with the gui installer in Etch |
| 03:59.39 | DawnLight | i am quite sure that it didn't use that, peterS, because at one point before i played with my locales i saw the filenames |
| 03:59.45 | MrWGW | well I've played with a fair number of GUI installers |
| 03:59.58 | MrWGW | I like a text installer that's ultra-straightforward yet guides you through the process |
| 04:00.07 | MrWGW | Ubuntu's installer holds my hand too much, Suse's is kind've confusing and obnoxious |
| 04:00.08 | pickcoder | it's basically the ncurses installer with a pretty screen and gui controls |
| 04:00.15 | pickcoder | eye candy |
| 04:00.19 | peterS | DawnLight: ok, let's experiment. try this: 'ls | iconv -f iso-8859-8 -t utf-8'. do your filenames show up properly? |
| 04:00.37 | peterS | the "-t utf-8" is actually not needed, iconv will default to utf-8 if that's your current locale |
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| 04:00.40 | bzed | MrWGW: the etch installer is even better imho :) especially in expert mode |
| 04:00.52 | MrWGW | I once installed NetBSD |
| 04:00.53 | pickcoder | expert mode is the only way to install |
| 04:00.57 | MrWGW | and I did not find its installer that painful |
| 04:00.58 | pickcoder | unless you're a noob |
| 04:01.17 | MrWGW | this Etch one is better though IMO |
| 04:01.33 | MrWGW | the NetBSD one stopped me for a few minutes with Fdisk, but I was able to get a handle on it |
| 04:01.45 | pickcoder | I thought you were installing Sarge? |
| 04:01.55 | rainabba_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:02.23 | MrWGW | btw if I select http or ftp for Apt |
| 04:02.33 | MrWGW | it will connect with the online Debian files by default, right? |
| 04:02.36 | DawnLight | peterS: it just gave me the list of the current dir and "iconv: illegal input sequence at position 152" |
| 04:02.41 | MrWGW | i.e. it knows the correct URL for the repositories? |
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| 04:02.58 | peterS | DawnLight: hmmm. if you type 'locale | grep LC_CTYPE' it shows UTF-8, yes? |
| 04:03.05 | rainabba_ | bzed: When I run xm create -c I get "xenconsole: Could not read tty from store: No such file or directory". That's the error that caused the ##xen guys to say HVMs dont' get a console. |
| 04:03.22 | pickcoder | MrWGW: always use http, ftp is a waste of time |
| 04:03.43 | bzed | rainabba_: http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=79 |
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| 04:03.49 | MrWGW | oook it seems to be working |
| 04:03.49 | MrWGW | yay |
| 04:04.06 | MrWGW | that means I have working internet |
| 04:04.11 | peterS | yay for working internet |
| 04:04.22 | MrWGW | well VMWare is always really easy to install to |
| 04:04.26 | MrWGW | its deceptively simple, in fact |
| 04:04.32 | Supaplex | !beer working internets |
| 04:04.33 | MrWGW | installing on bare metal is usually 20% harder, at a minimum |
| 04:04.36 | pickcoder | auto pppoe support is supposedly in the works |
| 04:05.06 | peterS | pickcoder: it's supposed to be in the rc2 installer, have you tried it? (released yesterday) |
| 04:05.11 | MrWGW | but yeah, this distro is pretty slick |
| 04:05.12 | pickcoder | nope |
| 04:05.14 | DawnLight | dalia@dalia:~$ locale | grep LC_CTYPE |
| 04:05.14 | DawnLight | LC_CTYPE="he_IL.UTF-8" |
| 04:05.14 | DawnLight | peterS |
| 04:05.17 | MrWGW | I'm annoyed at myself for not having tried it sooner |
| 04:05.19 | pickcoder | I will when I get a chance. |
| 04:05.51 | peterS | DawnLight: right, so we just have to figure out what character set the filenames are in. you say it gave correct filenames until it reached position 152? or it simply gave you garbage? |
| 04:05.51 | MrWGW | I now get why there was a hardcore Debian nerd at Scale (with massive Karl Marx style facial hair) who proudly stated that the three operating systems he uses are Sarge, Etch, and whatever the version was that preceeded Sarge |
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| 04:06.05 | pickcoder | Woody |
| 04:06.53 | MrWGW | that was it |
| 04:06.54 | MrWGW | creepy name |
| 04:06.56 | peterS | MrWGW: it wasn't always this slick, the installer before sarge annoyed a lot of people. I liked it well enough, you probably would too if you didn't mind netbsd, but it's not nearly as smooth as the installer in sarge and etch |
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| 04:06.59 | MrWGW | but I'm sure it was a great system |
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| 04:07.34 | peterS | MrWGW: of course, _after_ you got the system installed, debian has always been quite pleasant to work with and maintain the system, that's our real strength. the installer only matters once, when you have a new machine, the rest of the usability matters _all the time_. (: |
| 04:07.36 | pickcoder | Woody's installer was horrid, imo |
| 04:07.39 | DawnLight | i don't know what 'position' is, peterS. even if we do convert these files, what about the next file that my mom recieves as an attachment in an email from a windows system? |
| 04:07.44 | pickcoder | it either worked or it blew p |
| 04:07.47 | pickcoder | up |
| 04:07.48 | MrWGW | btw |
| 04:07.50 | MrWGW | I have to ask |
| 04:07.59 | MrWGW | not wanting to appear to be engaging on an anti-MEPIS rant or trollfeset |
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| 04:08.10 | MrWGW | but what did MEPIS do to Debian to make it so much less pleasant to work with? |
| 04:08.21 | MrWGW | I recently played with MEPIS and was really disappointed, but installing Debian is fantastic |
| 04:08.23 | bzed | MrWGW: debrootstrap is the best installer anyway :P just put some live cd in, like knoppix or anything else which brings debrootstrap and install it manually :P |
| 04:08.38 | bzed | wtf is mepis? |
| 04:08.39 | Supaplex | !debian-live |
| 04:08.40 | dpkg | debian-live is, like, in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 04:08.40 | peterS | DawnLight: filenames in attachments, I'm not sure how your mail program will deal with those. I'm not certain whether filenames in MIME attachments even have a known encoding. if they do, the mail program will probably automatically do the right thing. |
| 04:08.52 | pickcoder | I like the install flexibility most of all, regardless of the install choice |
| 04:08.57 | rainabba_ | bzed: Thanks, lots of good links, but not quite applicable (or at least not the right details). That last one is old too; CDROM= and create -f and no longer valid. So I want to give up on the VNC direction and try SDL=1. I still get no window when I create the domU. Perhaps this binary doesn't have these features enabled? |
| 04:09.21 | MrWGW | upp yep looks like X didn't install, it asked me if I wanted it, and I thought I had said yes, but apparently I didn't |
| 04:09.23 | MrWGW | my bad |
| 04:09.37 | MrWGW | what is the command for telling it to get and install X and a desktop environment? |
| 04:09.38 | peterS | DawnLight: if you use the samba fileserver for transferring files from one machine to another, and it is set up correctly ('unix charset = utf8' and 'dos charset = cp862' or whatever), things will just work. if you use CDs or USB drives, you have to use the correct mount option to convert filenames properly. |
| 04:09.46 | MrWGW | vi |
| 04:09.47 | pickcoder | MrWGW: do you want gnome or kde? |
| 04:09.48 | MrWGW | err |
| 04:09.49 | MrWGW | sry |
| 04:09.55 | MrWGW | whatever :) |
| 04:09.58 | bzed | rainabba_: it should. not sure though, never tested that. you probably want to ask the debian xen team, I think they have a mailing list, googling for it or looking at lists.d.o could help |
| 04:10.04 | pickcoder | aptitude install gnome |
| 04:10.05 | MrWGW | from the command I should be able to determine how to install the other one also |
| 04:10.08 | pickcoder | or aptitude install kde |
| 04:10.14 | pickcoder | or you can piece your own together |
| 04:10.15 | rainabba_ | bzed: ty |
| 04:10.17 | peterS | DawnLight: anyway, yes or no, you got some correct-looking filenames when you did the 'ls | iconv ...' command earlier? it apparently stopped before the end, but did it show proper filenames before that? |
| 04:10.38 | MrWGW | oh duh, I need to su |
| 04:10.52 | DawnLight | peterS, do i need to run it in the file's directory? |
| 04:10.56 | wintix | MrWGW: install x-window-system and a window manager you like. or just go with the kde or gnome thing. |
| 04:11.07 | peterS | DawnLight: well, or 'ls /some/directory | iconv -f iso-8859-8' will work too |
| 04:11.17 | MrWGW | GNOME I believe is the Debian preferred option? |
| 04:11.21 | bzed | MrWGW: xserver-xfree86 << probably you need to isntall that package, too. not sure though |
| 04:11.21 | rainabba_ | Anyone tell me where to find the newest source for Xen to run on vmhost04 2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 ? |
| 04:11.34 | peterS | DawnLight: we're trying to determine what the encoding is, so we'll try various ones, starting with iso-8859-8, until one of them seems to show correct filenames |
| 04:11.38 | MrWGW | shouldn't it resolve that automatically? |
| 04:11.42 | bzed | rainabba_: in unstable? :P |
| 04:11.50 | wintix | MrWGW: x-window-system is a nice meta package which brings all stuff needed for a sane setup. |
| 04:12.05 | peterS | MrWGW: it's possible to run gnome on a headless server, with thin clients. so no, xserver-xfree86 is _not_ a hard dependency |
| 04:12.09 | bzed | MrWGW: you do not need to run an xserver to use gnome/kde.. you could run it in vnc or so... not sure if it depends on it |
| 04:12.11 | liable | MrWGW: no, gnome doesnt depend on x |
| 04:12.30 | MrWGW | weird |
| 04:12.35 | MrWGW | I had thought that GNOME ran atop of X |
| 04:12.38 | bzed | MrWGW: not weird, debian. |
| 04:12.43 | liable | no, it was just explained to you |
| 04:12.49 | peterS | MrWGW: it does ... but X doesn't have to be local, it's a network protocol, so you can use it for thin clients |
| 04:12.57 | Supaplex | MrWGW: it can run remotely (think ssh -X) |
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| 04:13.03 | liable | MrWGW: gnome does need x, but it doesnt have to be on the same machine |
| 04:13.06 | bzed | MrWGW: yes, on top of X. but X is split into several pacakges, and you do not NEED an x-server to run gnome |
| 04:13.12 | MrWGW | ok |
| 04:13.15 | DawnLight | it shows the name right, peterS |
| 04:13.17 | peterS | MrWGW: some X server has to be running, for the gnome apps to use as their display, but it doesn't have to be on the same machine (: |
| 04:13.17 | MrWGW | but since I don't intend to use this VM as a thin client |
| 04:13.24 | MrWGW | I'd assume I'd need to install X also? |
| 04:13.29 | liable | yup |
| 04:13.38 | DawnLight | although in reverse, peterS, i assume it's right |
| 04:13.39 | MrWGW | so aptitude x-window-system? |
| 04:13.44 | bzed | MrWGW: that's why debian is not suse. you do not need to isntall such stuff |
| 04:13.45 | liable | yep |
| 04:13.45 | peterS | MrWGW: yeah, on sarge that is xserver-xfree86. but just install 'x-window-system-core' so it pulls in some font packages and stuff too. |
| 04:13.58 | Supaplex | MrWGW: aptitude install ... |
| 04:14.00 | MrWGW | ok |
| 04:14.05 | bzed | MrWGW: yes, that should work. aptitude install x-windows-system, gnome gdm (or kde kdm) |
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| 04:14.16 | bzed | MrWGW: strike the , |
| 04:14.16 | peterS | DawnLight: in reverse? I don't know what to make of that, I don't know why it would display a right-to-left language left-to-right. I simply have no experience with right-to-left font rendering :/ |
| 04:14.30 | rainabba_ | bzed: Etch? Unstable? I think so but I'm only 2 days old here :) |
| 04:14.47 | bzed | !tell rainabba_ about unstable |
| 04:14.50 | bzed | !tell rainabba_ about experimental |
| 04:14.53 | bzed | !tell rainabba_ about testing |
| 04:14.56 | bzed | !tell rainabba_ about stable |
| 04:14.58 | bzed | :P |
| 04:15.05 | MrWGW | I don't know why I like Suse so much |
| 04:15.09 | MrWGW | I use SLED as a bare metal install |
| 04:15.14 | peterS | bzed: stop spamming both the channel and rainabba_. |
| 04:15.18 | MrWGW | I have a friend who uses Slackware and he can't explain why he likes that distro |
| 04:15.27 | MrWGW | sort of like putting on a well-worn sweater that you've had for years or something |
| 04:15.42 | MrWGW | but SLED, in spite of its annoying quirks, seems to be loveable for some reason |
| 04:15.55 | MrWGW | that said I probably won't do another bare metal install of it, except perhaps on a Thinkpad |
| 04:16.12 | rainabba_ | bzed: So Etch is testing and that's not explicitly unstable, but it's not stable either. This means I can't get source to compile Xen? |
| 04:16.13 | bzed | peterS: stop whining please. I', pretty sure rainabba_ is interested in those things. |
| 04:16.25 | rainabba_ | I am |
| 04:16.27 | bzed | rainabba_: why do you want to compile xen on your own? |
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| 04:16.38 | peterS | bzed: even if you think he wants a boatload of /msgs from the bot, which I doubt, you don't need to spam the channel |
| 04:16.39 | Supaplex | bzed: for insane fun ;) |
| 04:16.45 | bzed | rainabba_: if there's really missing something, like sdl or vnc support, file a bugreport |
| 04:16.58 | MrWGW | compiling software can be fun |
| 04:16.58 | DawnLight | peterS, reverse is alright. what now |
| 04:16.59 | rainabba_ | bzed: Because at this point I can only conclude that the release of xen I have doesn't support sdl or vnc. |
| 04:17.07 | MrWGW | but I suspect X would be a major pain in the <censored> |
| 04:17.14 | MrWGW | err |
| 04:17.15 | MrWGW | Xen |
| 04:17.18 | MrWGW | not X |
| 04:17.19 | MrWGW | blah |
| 04:17.22 | rainabba_ | bzed: bug report: sounds official :) |
| 04:17.30 | bzed | rainabba_: did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/xen-* ? |
| 04:17.48 | bzed | :P |
| 04:17.48 | peterS | DawnLight: did it complain about "illegal input sequence" this time? |
| 04:17.50 | MrWGW | ? |
| 04:18.10 | MrWGW | am I using Enter too much? Whooops, I tend to do that |
| 04:18.16 | Supaplex | yes :) |
| 04:18.24 | DawnLight | iconv: illegal input sequence at position 173, peterS |
| 04:18.24 | MrWGW | I don't want to appear to be flooding |
| 04:18.27 | peterS | MrWGW: please stop using the Enter key so much. it scrolls our IRC windows a lot when you randomly blabber and _also_ hit Enter every 1 or 2 words |
| 04:18.28 | MrWGW | its a nasty habit I have when using IRC |
| 04:18.29 | bzed | MrWGW: xen is a pain because it's a huge kernel patch plus a ton of tools |
| 04:18.47 | MrWGW | my apologies |
| 04:18.52 | peterS | DawnLight: I wonder why that is. try the same thing but 'ls /your/directory | iconv -f cp862' |
| 04:19.12 | MrWGW | I've never used Xen, but I think I have it on SLED... |
| 04:19.14 | peterS | DawnLight: also 'ls /your/directory | iconv -f cp1255' |
| 04:19.37 | DawnLight | peterS, my directory name is hebrew, and i can't type hebrew in the terminal yet |
| 04:19.39 | rainabba_ | MrWGW: Being a vmware using (Windows host and FC5 host), I can tell you for sure then Xen is a huge PITA, but the live-migration capability and theoretical performance benefits would make it worth while. |
| 04:19.46 | peterS | DawnLight: if any of those give correct filenames and _also_ don't complain about an illegal input sequence, we can probably assume it's right. |
| 04:19.54 | DawnLight | peterS, so i'll change it :) |
| 04:20.08 | rainabba_ | Xen ~= ESX Server in terms of the features I want right now |
| 04:20.30 | Supaplex | if my /dev/st devices don't appear, will editing a custom udev rules.d config make any difference? |
| 04:20.55 | Supaplex | I have st loaded. |
| 04:21.21 | peterS | Supaplex: does your tape drive appear in /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 04:21.27 | MrWGW | can Xen run OSes other than Linux? |
| 04:21.30 | bzed | Supaplex: you can always add a symlink to some device, but I think your problem is somewhat different. probably that tape does not use/need st |
| 04:21.36 | DawnLight | peterS! it showed everything right and did not complain |
| 04:21.38 | MrWGW | or is it a FreeBSD Jails/Solaris zones/KVM kind've thing? |
| 04:21.42 | rainabba_ | MrWGW: It can now with the right hardware (VT) |
| 04:21.44 | peterS | DawnLight: which one? cp1255? |
| 04:21.50 | MrWGW | VT? |
| 04:21.56 | bzed | MrWGW: windows and bsd afaik. |
| 04:22.04 | rainabba_ | bzed: Check out /usr/share/xen-3.0.3-1/qemu |
| 04:22.08 | Supaplex | peterS: yes, http://rafb.net/p/W8t8Wj99.html |
| 04:22.23 | Hachiko | is it common to see lots of ip address when you do a "iftop" command? |
| 04:22.23 | bzed | rainabba_: don't have the stuff installed here, sorry |
| 04:22.49 | DawnLight | peterS yes |
| 04:23.00 | bzed | Hachiko: many is relative :P |
| 04:23.28 | rainabba_ | bzed: I was implying something. Xen does use qemu for something. |
| 04:23.36 | bzed | MrWGW: virtualization in hardware. VT from intel and pacifica from amd |
| 04:23.42 | MrWGW | ah |
| 04:23.51 | peterS | Supaplex: I wonder if that's supported by the st driver or the 'osst' driver |
| 04:23.54 | MrWGW | I doubt seriously that I have that anywhere |
| 04:24.06 | bzed | rainabba_: hmm - no clue. |
| 04:24.14 | rainabba_ | MyWGW: Intel Core2Dou or AMD X2 I think. |
| 04:24.28 | bzed | MrWGW: mainly anything which will run amd64 |
| 04:24.30 | MrWGW | ahhh nvm, I have a Core2Duo ThinkPad |
| 04:24.40 | bzed | install xen on it then :P |
| 04:24.41 | DawnLight | wow, Supaplex is a difficult game |
| 04:24.56 | MrWGW | yeah should be a good idea...would it work to just install a distro that ships with Xen? |
| 04:25.05 | bzed | MrWGW: but afaik the nvidia driver won't work in the dom0 (yet), so you probably want to wait a bit |
| 04:25.06 | MrWGW | i.e. Fedora or Suse? |
| 04:25.19 | peterS | DawnLight: so anyway. we have cp1255, we think. start by making a backup copy of the directory you care about, in case we mess the filenames up and you have to start over |
| 04:25.20 | bzed | MrWGW: why not use dbeian :P |
| 04:25.29 | MrWGW | oh, does Xen come with Etch? |
| 04:25.33 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 04:25.33 | bzed | yes |
| 04:25.35 | Supaplex | peterS: no /dev/st* - would it be something else? |
| 04:25.38 | MrWGW | well there we go |
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| 04:25.45 | rainabba_ | What's a good PDF viewer for Gnome? |
| 04:25.52 | Supaplex | eye balls |
| 04:25.57 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 04:26.01 | bzed | rainabba_: xpdf is my favourite, although it's not gnome-specific |
| 04:26.04 | simonrvn | cat |
| 04:26.13 | peterS | Supaplex: yeah it's a different device name, probably osst-something, but I don't have any experience with that |
| 04:26.16 | simonrvn | cat -v |
| 04:26.18 | rainabba_ | bzed: better still |
| 04:26.19 | bzed | simonrvn: nah, xxd :P |
| 04:26.26 | peterS | DawnLight: after the backup, then try this: find /your/directory -depth | while read f; do fd=$(dirname "$f"); f=$(basename "$f"); g=$(echo "$f" | iconv -f cp1255); if [ "$f" != "$g" ]; then mv "$fd/$f" "$fd/$g"; fi; done |
| 04:26.41 | simonrvn | cat -v, jic there's odd chars |
| 04:26.48 | peterS | DawnLight: cut and paste the command, the exact placement of the " and other things is somewhat important |
| 04:28.59 | peterS | Supaplex: right, according to the kernel devices.txt file, the recommended filename for the osst driver is /dev/osst0 |
| 04:29.11 | MrWGW | well I installed GNOME, so to confirm the next command should be aptitude install x-windows-system ? |
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| 04:29.42 | peterS | ...along with /dev/osst0l, /dev/osst0m, /dev/osst0a, /dev/nosst0, /dev/nosst0l, /dev/nosst0m, /dev/nosst0a |
| 04:29.44 | liable | minus the s, add -core |
| 04:29.45 | Supaplex | peterS: some diff + ls -lAR magic shows no devices. :P |
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| 04:30.07 | peterS | Supaplex: 'dmesg | tail' should tell you whether osst found a tape drive, or what |
| 04:30.09 | Supaplex | !lart supaplex:/dev/sg1 |
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| 04:30.37 | Supaplex | I've been following syslog in one xterm the entire time. |
| 04:30.46 | peterS | Supaplex: or whether the 'st' module did. I think the drive is probably a regular 'st', but it was worth trying the "other" scsi tape driver |
| 04:31.06 | Supaplex | yeah :o| |
| 04:31.14 | peterS | syslog doesn't necessarily include the kernel log. did you mean /var/log/kern.log? |
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| 04:31.20 | Supaplex | no |
| 04:31.26 | bzed_ | MrWGW: don't forget to install gdm |
| 04:31.44 | Guerin | wtf, my debian box just froze hard |
| 04:31.55 | MrWGW | gdm appears to be installed |
| 04:32.02 | MrWGW | it looks like it installed it with GNOMe |
| 04:32.04 | MrWGW | I hope... |
| 04:32.10 | simonrvn | that's an odd sight, telstra + the word cable |
| 04:32.24 | MrWGW | BTW, my apologies for not typing that on one line, I forgot, sorry |
| 04:32.30 | bzed_ | !panic |
| 04:32.31 | dpkg | [panic] STAY CALM DAMMIT! |
| 04:32.32 | mindframe_ | whats the command to select a group of packages such as "desktop" or "laptop" like in the install? |
| 04:32.42 | liable | mindframe_: tasksel |
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| 04:33.38 | mindframe_ | thanks liable |
| 04:33.46 | liable | np |
| 04:34.56 | peterS | MrWGW: you can 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' to run it again |
| 04:35.19 | Supaplex | # mt -f /dev/sg1 status \n mt: /dev/sg1: Operation not permitted hehe :P |
| 04:35.26 | peterS | MrWGW: ...or, with etch, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:35.42 | peterS | Supaplex: heh, yeah, mt only knows how to talk to st |
| 04:35.58 | DawnLight | peterS, do i change anything besides /your/directory |
| 04:36.20 | peterS | DawnLight: you shouldn't have to. it's all on one line, don't break lines like your IRC window probably did |
| 04:36.27 | pickcoder | I have a 1GB external DAT sitting in my bedroom as a riser |
| 04:36.27 | DawnLight | look how many users we are |
| 04:36.36 | DawnLight | quick someone call someone |
| 04:36.48 | DawnLight | nobody leave |
| 04:37.01 | peterS | DawnLight: well, counting a few bots it's really only about 660 users (: |
| 04:37.07 | peterS | I mean, if you don't count the bots |
| 04:38.08 | MrWGW | btw how do you select something on those configuration dialogue boxes where it has a list of options in brackets? |
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| 04:38.24 | DawnLight | peterS, it doesn't print me anything and it won't end by itself |
| 04:38.26 | MrWGW | err nvm, spacebar |
| 04:38.40 | amphi | MrWGW: space, if you mean what I think you mean |
| 04:39.17 | peterS | DawnLight: if the directory is large, it may take a bit of time. or I wonder if I had a bug. did you copy and paste the line exactly, or did you retype it (which could introduce errors)? |
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| 04:39.43 | MrWGW | ok, I'm going to just reinstall and have it install a GUI in that manner, yes I could mess around with configuring X some more, but I'd rather not, but I do like what I see thus far |
| 04:40.01 | pickcoder | peterS: maybe pastebin would be best |
| 04:40.18 | peterS | pickcoder: I dunno, it's not really any easier to copy and paste stuff out of a pastebin than out of irc |
| 04:40.21 | DawnLight | copypaste, peterS. but irc sometimes scrambles the letters for me so perhaps a pastie somewhere? |
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| 04:40.36 | DawnLight | hold on peterS |
| 04:41.13 | DawnLight | dalia@dalia:~$ find /home/dalia/docs -depth | while read f; do fd=$(dirname "$f"); f=$(basename "$f"); g=$(echo "$f" | iconv -f cp1255); if [ "$f" != "$g" ]; then mv "$fd/$f" "$fd/$g"; fi; done |
| 04:41.14 | DawnLight | iconv: illegal input sequence at position 10 |
| 04:41.14 | DawnLight | dalia@dalia:~$ |
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| 04:41.50 | peterS | DawnLight: hmmm so apparently at least one filename somewhere has a character in it which is not cp1255. |
| 04:42.27 | DawnLight | what exactly are we doing here |
| 04:43.01 | pickcoder | automated conversion of filename encoding |
| 04:43.15 | pickcoder | how many files are there |
| 04:43.26 | DawnLight | plenty |
| 04:43.36 | peterS | DawnLight: converting filenames one by one. the 'find -depth' thing lists all your files. the $(basename) takes only the last component of a filename (can't rename the directories until later). the 'iconv -f cp1255' does the actual character conversion. the 'mv' command renames each file. |
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| 04:44.27 | pickcoder | DawnLight: check out convmv |
| 04:44.40 | DawnLight | why aren't we using convmv? |
| 04:45.14 | DawnLight | i see the filesnames were converted okay. i can't check all of them though |
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| 04:46.27 | peterS | because I didn't know about convmv (: |
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| 04:47.37 | DawnLight | i did but i'm open enough with this scripting stuff |
| 04:48.06 | peterS | DawnLight: well, this is exactly what convmv seems to be intended for, so if you'd rather, you certainly can use that instead. if I'd known about it I would have recommended it. |
| 04:48.37 | DawnLight | will you help me use it? |
| 04:48.47 | peterS | DawnLight: anyway ... the 'illegal input sequence' error you got in the middle of the one-line script run, that means a certain file somewhere got truncated to 9 characters long, because the 10th character was not legal cp1255. I can't tell you what file that was, though. |
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| 04:50.30 | DawnLight | so it will show as scranbled stuff now? |
| 04:50.53 | peterS | DawnLight: no, it will be a shorter filename than before, the first 9 characters are correct but the rest of the filename will be gone. |
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| 04:51.50 | peterS | DawnLight: it looks like you could have accomplished the same task with 'convmv -f cp1255 -t utf-8 /your/directory'. but I have not used convmv |
| 04:52.11 | StarWars | where must be my php-ini to work with apache2 ? in /etc/apache2/conf.d ?? |
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| 04:52.38 | DawnLight | what happens if i run that now on the same directory |
| 04:53.07 | Supaplex | StarWars: use php_info to figure out |
| 04:53.27 | pickcoder | StarWars: php.ini should go in /etc/php4/apache/ or /etc/php5/apache |
| 04:53.31 | peterS | well, also use the -r option, so 'convmv -r -f cp1255 -t utf-8 /your/directory' |
| 04:53.46 | DawnLight | add --notest to that |
| 04:55.13 | StarWars | Supaplex what is the line to add tjeer <php ...? |
| 04:55.22 | StarWars | Supaplex what is the line to add tjeer <php ...? in php_info |
| 04:55.44 | DawnLight | is there a way to automatically detect the filename encription? |
| 04:55.50 | DawnLight | encoding |
| 04:56.21 | StarWars | >php? |
| 04:56.22 | peterS | DawnLight: automatically detecting any encoding is at best educated guesswork. if you find a tool that can guess encodings, you can pipe the output of 'ls -R' into that tool to see what it thinks |
| 04:57.54 | DawnLight | okay i thank you peterS |
| 04:58.25 | peterS | no problem, I'm glad to know about convmv, it'll be useful next time someone asks a similar question |
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| 05:00.53 | peterS | DawnLight: indeed, going back to your earlier mention of enca - I suppose you can use that to guess the encoding of your filenames, if you pipe 'ls -R' output to it. but the debian package description doesn't mention Hebrew. |
| 05:01.39 | peterS | but then, the description misspells 'Belarusian', so I don't know how much you can trust it anyway (: |
| 05:02.07 | DawnLight | so missing an s? |
| 05:02.18 | bzed_ | n8n8 |
| 05:02.28 | peterS | no, it has ss where it should just have s |
| 05:02.39 | DawnLight | give it break |
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| 05:03.29 | peterS | I wonder whether both spellings are considered correct. google has only 4 times as many hits for the "correct" spelling as the "incorrect" spelling. if it were a genuine error, I'd expect the ratio to be much higher. |
| 05:03.31 | militant | is there really only one option for yahoo webcams in linux? |
| 05:05.15 | DawnLight | but who defines correct? |
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| 05:05.59 | liable | me! |
| 05:06.15 | DawnLight | could very well be |
| 05:06.22 | DawnLight | so liable |
| 05:06.30 | Supaplex | militant: gspca-source maybe? |
| 05:06.36 | DawnLight | please define correct for us |
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| 05:06.59 | militant | wtf is that? GyachEi is what google is telling me |
| 05:07.08 | StarWars | pickcoder i use php5 and /etc/php5 is onli cli and conf.d ..and in /cli i have php.ini |
| 05:07.39 | StarWars | Supaplex what i must in php.info ? |
| 05:10.26 | Supaplex | StarWars: php_info() will show where the php.ini was loaded from. try the php folks if you want. |
| 05:13.00 | StarWars | <?php phpinfo() ?> |
| 05:13.37 | Supaplex | with the _ as far as I recall |
| 05:14.34 | Supaplex | ahh, well php.net says it works w/o the _. imagine that. :) |
| 05:14.55 | StarWars | http://85.214.88.202/yo.php |
| 05:14.59 | StarWars | dont work |
| 05:15.12 | StarWars | i add in yo.php " <?php phpinfo() ?> " |
| 05:16.19 | Supaplex | that's not a php.ini issue, that's a "use .php as php files" issue. |
| 05:16.31 | Supaplex | which apache release are you using? |
| 05:17.14 | StarWars | 2.2.3 |
| 05:17.26 | StarWars | Apache version 2.2.3 |
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| 05:17.58 | liquidfx | ##linux |
| 05:17.59 | Supaplex | you might need to use a2enmod |
| 05:18.00 | DawnLight | when i open an attachment from evolution (doc with OO.org writer), i get a file not found message from writer and it points to a certain /tmp directory |
| 05:18.37 | StarWars | http://85.214.88.202/php.ini my ini |
| 05:18.49 | DawnLight | now, i can save the attachment and it's all good. i wan't the open to work also. any suggestions? |
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| 05:19.17 | peterS | I'm sorry I can't help with that one, I don't use evolution so I don't know how it saves attachments |
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| 05:20.04 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.15 | StarWars | myst be add in apache2.conf ? |
| 05:20.44 | Supaplex | do it your way, and you can consult yourself for help. do it the debian way, and we can help. |
| 05:20.57 | Supaplex | eg, consult a2enmod |
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| 05:21.13 | Supaplex | if it's not already loaded. might be a handler/type issue to |
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| 05:23.42 | Supaplex | I'd test php5, but I'd rather do CGI to allow for fine grained use of suexec :) |
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| 05:25.22 | Supaplex | ~-~ suu suuu sussudio ~-~ |
| 05:25.55 | DawnLight | i can see the error here. it says: "/home/daila/file:/home/dalia/.evolution/cache/tmp/evolution-tmp-AYO46x/name-of-file.doc doens't exist" and he's right |
| 05:26.03 | militant | HEH uh phil collins? |
| 05:26.36 | rahul | !sing susudio |
| 05:26.38 | rahul | !sing sussudio |
| 05:26.43 | Supaplex | no, his nick just reminds me of that song. even if it does not spell the same. |
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| 05:27.19 | DawnLight | can this bot do anything? |
| 05:27.29 | rahul | !penixstrike DawnLight |
| 05:27.29 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking DawnLight to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:27.36 | Supaplex | !nuke DawnLight |
| 05:27.41 | stew | !nut rahul |
| 05:27.51 | rahul | !! |
| 05:27.51 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
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| 05:30.17 | StarWars | apache2 |
| 05:30.17 | StarWars | apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: API module structure `php5_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? |
| 05:31.00 | militant | i have no alsa.pc ? make is crapping out on me. |
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| 05:34.52 | mindframe_ | whats the command that the "debian x terminal emulator" uses ? |
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| 05:35.18 | rahul | mindframe_: /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator |
| 05:35.25 | sussudio | %bear rahul |
| 05:36.19 | k-man_ | is there a way to measure how much time linux is spending swapping? |
| 05:36.22 | mindframe_ | thanks |
| 05:36.45 | Dewi | k-man_: I think it's included in the 'wa' total in top |
| 05:36.49 | rahul | k-man_: hmm, not per se |
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| 05:37.03 | Dewi | k-man_: but that also includes all other kinds of HD thrashing (copying files etc) |
| 05:37.12 | k-man_ | dewi, oh, i see |
| 05:37.19 | LOLNADA | hey, how can I do to kill some process that are called X? |
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| 05:37.41 | rahul | LOLNADA: some or all? man killall for all |
| 05:37.44 | enouf | k-man_: maybe man vmstat |
| 05:37.51 | stew | !am i swapping |
| 05:37.51 | dpkg | run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping |
| 05:38.06 | k-man_ | ok, i have a server that is low on ram and swap space, appart from "free" what other reports can i get that will sow how the low ram is affecting performance? particularly for apache and mysql |
| 05:38.39 | rahul | k-man_: vmstat and iostat are probably the best |
| 05:38.49 | LOLNADA | ok thanks |
| 05:38.50 | LOLNADA | it works |
| 05:39.02 | enouf | k-man_: here's one http://koltsoff.com/pub/meminfo/ |
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| 05:39.13 | k-man_ | oh |
| 05:39.14 | k-man_ | thanks |
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| 05:40.31 | enouf | Supaplex: does lshal | grep block.device tell you anything about your tape drive? |
| 05:40.42 | k-man_ | rahul, i can't seem to find iostat |
| 05:41.02 | rahul | you might want to install it |
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| 05:42.01 | rahul | it's in the sysstat package, btw |
| 05:42.08 | k-man_ | rahul, ah, thanks |
| 05:43.29 | rahul | erm |
| 05:43.33 | enouf | DawnLight: seems like your issue with evo attachements is similar to what happens here when viewing .gz files in kde/konq .. so .. go into your DE control center and in the File types area, find your evo file type, deselect use of Embedded viewer .. in kcontrol it's pretty deep to get there .. |
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| 05:43.52 | troubled | hey :) |
| 05:44.14 | rahul | heh |
| 05:44.27 | rahul | I moshed and headbanged and drank my body away this weekend |
| 05:44.43 | troubled | good stuff |
| 05:44.47 | rahul | I left friday 8 pm, returned monday noon |
| 05:44.58 | rahul | !qotd181 |
| 05:44.59 | dpkg | <rahul> god, this keyboard is getting icky |
| 05:45.18 | troubled | so what you been up to? |
| 05:45.34 | enouf | dpkg -i morningSunBurn.deb |
| 05:46.17 | DawnLight | enouf what is DE? |
| 05:46.27 | enouf | desktop env |
| 05:46.29 | Supaplex | enouf: no, but I have more access after loading ch and playing with http://bytesex.org/changer.html, but most of the commands fail with: ioctl failed (MOVE): Input/output error |
| 05:46.40 | rahul | troubled: drinking and moshing and headbanging |
| 05:46.42 | rahul | duh |
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| 05:46.52 | enouf | Supaplex: are you even sure that thing works? |
| 05:47.07 | rahul | PORTABLE MOSH PIT |
| 05:47.13 | troubled | rahul: well, i guess you could sum up everything since we last spoke into one long event like that :) |
| 05:47.16 | rahul | heh |
| 05:47.28 | DawnLight | Desktop Environment |
| 05:47.28 | Supaplex | it does, to a degree. it seems to only have access to the media changer. maybe I'll take this appart and see why the tape drive isn't connected... |
| 05:47.32 | rahul | no more eliza and kelly doing the hokey pokey silliness |
| 05:47.36 | rahul | enouf: haha |
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| 05:47.46 | enouf | :-) |
| 05:47.48 | Supaplex | that must be it. there should be different devices on the bus for the media changer, and the tape drive, right? |
| 05:48.10 | rahul | we ported that mosh pit to 64-bits, baby. |
| 05:48.28 | rahul | I think we broke one of the stage monitors, heh |
| 05:48.52 | enouf | Supaplex: I'm not well versed in tape drive specifics at all .. perhaps tools like hwinfo, lshw can grab you more details about it .. fwiw |
| 05:49.19 | rahul | between gigs, I was hanging with this girl who's going to vegas for a week plus |
| 05:49.26 | rahul | and all her gay friends, heh |
| 05:50.03 | enouf | rahul: i shoveled snow for 6 hours on saturday |
| 05:50.28 | rahul | yeah, that storm was ridiculous |
| 05:50.35 | enouf | frozen hard snow .. the kind you have to break up with an ice pick before you can even shovel it |
| 05:50.40 | rahul | yeah |
| 05:50.57 | DawnLight | enouf, i can't find where the file types area is, will you |
| 05:51.15 | enouf | DawnLight: which DE? |
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| 05:51.27 | enouf | DawnLight: gnome? kde? |
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| 05:51.36 | DawnLight | gnome |
| 05:51.46 | k-man_ | is there some tool where 2 people can watch the output of commands on one terminal? |
| 05:51.57 | dondelelcaro | k-man_: screen -x |
| 05:52.03 | enouf | DawnLight: don't know gnome .. but maybe type gnome-control-center and somewhere in theer |
| 05:52.06 | k-man_ | dondelelcaro, oh |
| 05:52.10 | enouf | s/theer/there |
| 05:52.55 | DawnLight | i'm in the control center... what am i looking for? is it like the shell in windows? |
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| 05:53.50 | enouf | DawnLight: yeah .. remember the reegistered file types tab in windows? .. where all the file ext's are matched with open/view/edit commands? |
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| 05:54.55 | rainabba_ | enouf: Good evening sir |
| 05:55.00 | jetscreamer | you have to explicitly install the gnome control center i 'think' .. or i'm thinking of gnome-system-tools maybe... |
| 05:55.09 | enouf | DawnLight: for all i know it may be even something you can set in Evolution preferences .. i don;t use that either .. but i noticed the similarities of the error from a /tmp file your posted .. |
| 05:55.35 | enouf | rainabba_: hello ! .. and no, I know nothing about Xen kernels :-P |
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| 05:56.04 | rainabba_ | enouf: I was hoping. I've gotten a long way with a lot of help. |
| 05:56.09 | rainabba_ | Not quite there though |
| 05:56.10 | jetscreamer | oh there's both |
| 05:56.55 | enouf | rainabba_: I do try to read some backlog from time to time .. been following .. but you're at a point where i have no idea with your virtual networking devices and such |
| 05:57.52 | k-man_ | dondelelcaro, can you allow another user to connect to screen using -x? |
| 05:57.57 | rainabba_ | enouf: Got them working actually. At this point I just need a gui and I can't get sdl to come up and VNC doesn't seem to be launching (with the respective settings of course). I'm wondering if the support is even compiled into the kernel I've got. |
| 05:58.16 | rainabba_ | enouf: My HVM launches w/o error though |
| 05:58.41 | dondelelcaro | k-man_: no, but you'd never want to |
| 05:58.51 | dondelelcaro | k-man_: that user has to be able to su to your user |
| 05:58.59 | k-man_ | ah, ok |
| 05:59.03 | k-man_ | thats fine |
| 05:59.04 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 05:59.59 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 06:00.01 | jetscreamer | sdl? |
| 06:00.07 | enouf | rainabba_: indeed .. appears you've made some good progress .. with the help of some very helpful people ;-) .. unfortunately I don't know about your most recent issues, and would be merely guessing |
| 06:00.36 | rainabba_ | enouf: All the same, thanks for the help yesterday. |
| 06:00.44 | enouf | Saturday Diet live? |
| 06:00.57 | rahul | simple direct media layer |
| 06:01.00 | enouf | rainabba_: your welcome ;-) no prob |
| 06:01.07 | rahul | what it has to do with anything he wants is beyond me |
| 06:01.11 | jetscreamer | i was thinking libsdldebian-all ve -alsa |
| 06:01.16 | jetscreamer | or whatever the name is |
| 06:01.21 | jetscreamer | s/ve/vs/ |
| 06:02.01 | enouf | drats.. the word Diva works much better than diet there |
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| 06:02.46 | jetscreamer | the -alsa one works for q4 the -all doesn't, if that helps: libsdl1.2debian-all vs libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 06:03.30 | jetscreamer | so all aint |
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| 06:03.43 | jetscreamer | bug! |
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| 06:05.49 | gcc-newbie | hey |
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| 06:07.12 | bushblows | to setup sftp with openssh and have it chrooted, do I need a patch? |
| 06:07.15 | jetscreamer | alfalfa |
| 06:08.27 | enouf | spanky? or .. |
| 06:08.44 | rainabba_ | Is the Xen 3.0.x source available for me to compile on Etch? |
| 06:09.32 | enouf | hrm .. visit p.d.o and search for your exact kernel and follow the link to the devel/maint page |
| 06:09.45 | rainabba_ | pdo? |
| 06:09.50 | enouf | !pdo |
| 06:09.50 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 06:09.55 | rainabba_ | ahh, ty |
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| 06:13.30 | rainabba_ | If is was available it would be under xen in http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/ ?? |
| 06:14.05 | enouf | rainabba_: see http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=testing&subword=1&exact=&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=xen&searchon=names&page=1&number=all scroll down to where the linux-image-* are |
| 06:16.17 | enouf | rainabba_: I suppose you could just make sure you have a deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list and do a apt-get source $(uname -r) .. or similar, but I though it best you read the Changelogs, errata, see bug reports, etc |
| 06:16.25 | liquidfx | anybody know of a good app to edit .pdf files? |
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| 06:18.39 | bwlang | liquidfx: depends on what you mean by edit... pdfjam is pretty good for transforming them... if you mean editing text you'll need a graphics program like gimp i think |
| 06:19.46 | enouf | rainabba_: if you /join #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org, you may get some help, but it's a devel channel, yet there's a Mailing list too .. see it's /topic once there |
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| 06:20.57 | enouf | rainabba_: likely best to follow up with those suggestions before you start trying a compile .. which then becomes somewhat 'unsupported' |
| 06:21.14 | liquidfx | bwlang, well basically i have a file that i want to create some bookmarks on and whatnot....pdfjam sounds like it might be the right tool |
| 06:21.32 | enouf | liquidfx: also /msg dpkg search |
| 06:22.02 | bwlang | liquidfx: dunno about bookmarks, but it's worth a look. |
| 06:22.50 | liquidfx | yeah it's worth a try....i'll let ya know |
| 06:23.15 | liquidfx | enouf, what is /msg dpkg search? |
| 06:23.33 | enouf | liquidfx: type that exactly into your irc client |
| 06:23.54 | enouf | !tell liquidfx -about msg the bot |
| 06:24.32 | rainabba_ | enouf: Sounds like more good info, thank you. |
| 06:24.56 | enouf | rainabba_: welcome ;-) glad i can help |
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| 06:26.07 | liquidfx | thanks enouf |
| 06:26.23 | enouf | no prob liquidfx |
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| 06:27.10 | Elive_user92 | which one is better at burning : gnome BAKER or BRASERO ?? |
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| 06:28.10 | dondelelcaro | they almost certainly all use wodim/growisofs, so pick one whose user interface makes sense to you. |
| 06:28.12 | Elive_user92 | anyone have used BRASERO cd burner ? did this program fucked any of our cds ? |
| 06:28.17 | cableroy | i run apache with several domains and with modsecurity, one page is not working correctly and i found out why, how do i exclude /phpads/adimage.php i tried following exclude.conf but it does not work |
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| 06:29.18 | Elive_user92 | gnome BAKER is a peace of shit !! let me say it !! |
| 06:29.44 | dondelelcaro | Elive_user92: that's great. If there's a problem with it, file bugs, or use something else. |
| 06:29.54 | ndowens | just out of curiousity, if libpam breaks and u can't login, how do you fix it, i don't have that problem but i am curious in case it happens in the future |
| 06:30.08 | dondelelcaro | ndowens: you boot with init=/bin/bash and fix it |
| 06:30.16 | dondelelcaro | cableroy: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 06:30.30 | Supaplex | enouf: what if the tape drive is burried in a lun deeper than the media changer. if linux is only scanning one lun per device, I'd never see it, right? |
| 06:30.51 | Elive_user92 | hijo de puta |
| 06:31.03 | ndowens | dondelelcaro so at boot u use init=/bin/bash what about after that |
| 06:31.05 | enouf | Supaplex: hrm .. is it terminated? |
| 06:31.24 | cableroy | dondelelcaro, i'm trying to allow /phpads/adimagne.php |
| 06:31.33 | dondelelcaro | ndowens: remount root rw, mount anything else you need, and fix pam |
| 06:31.42 | Supaplex | yes. scsi hvd |
| 06:31.53 | Elive_user92 | remount root read only |
| 06:32.33 | enouf | Supaplex: I really don;t know ... why not try a livecd .. see what happens |
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| 06:32.55 | Elive_user92 | why dont u fuck off ?? |
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| 06:33.15 | ndowens | dondelelcaro how do u fix pam after that, sorry for the questions, just wanting to find out for that one so i can atleast login and fix other things if i need to but, pam i can't find an answer to yet |
| 06:33.20 | enouf | Supaplex: peterS mentioned checking /proc/scsi/scsi earlier .. no good info from looking there? |
| 06:33.36 | Supaplex | only the medium changer |
| 06:33.58 | dondelelcaro | ndowens: it depends how you've broken it |
| 06:34.02 | Supaplex | I removed the cover, and I can see the tape drive working when the library loads it |
| 06:34.29 | rainabba_ | enouf: That line you mentioned for sources.list, this valid: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 06:34.32 | ndowens | dondelelcaro lets say it upgraded to a new libpam version and it was buggy |
| 06:34.49 | ndowens | dondelelcaro or by another program |
| 06:35.21 | dondelelcaro | ndowens: so downgrade libpam using aptitude (or whatever else broke it) |
| 06:35.43 | dondelelcaro | ndowens: there are literally infinite ways that you can break pam, so I can't really tell you all of the ways that you can unmunge it. |
| 06:35.43 | ndowens | dondelelcaro ty |
| 06:35.59 | enouf | rainabba_: looks good .. |
| 06:36.15 | ndowens | dondelelcaro well i only expect for libpam to break because of an upgrade or another package, other than that i don't touch libpam |
| 06:36.57 | dondelelcaro | cableroy: unforutnatly, I don't know enough about mod_security; try using their support cahnnels |
| 06:37.08 | enouf | rainabba_: fwiw, those dev channels require some time, many times before you get a peep .. if someone can help though, they will |
| 06:37.20 | dondelelcaro | ndowens: it's actually almost unheard of for libpam to break. I think in the past 4 years I've seen it happen once, and it was fixed within 24 hours. |
| 06:37.27 | rainabba_ | enouf: It's quiet so far |
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| 06:37.36 | rainabba_ | enouf: It's quite so far |
| 06:37.51 | dondelelcaro | (well, if you're using non-standard authentication methods, they break more often, but I'm talking about normal password authentication) |
| 06:37.57 | ndowens | dondelelcaro where i am using unstable for the first time and i heard about libpam and its like great lol |
| 06:38.13 | ndowens | dondelelcaro yea i use just a passwd |
| 06:38.34 | dondelelcaro | ndowens: well, if you're using unstable, you should be using apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
| 06:38.38 | enouf | indeed rainabba_ .. as I say .. different times of day also get more chatter if any .. so .. best to lurk a while .. chill a bit ;-) .. or post to the mailing list |
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| 06:39.11 | TIRC_2575 | ciao a tutti |
| 06:39.16 | TIRC_2575 | 1list |
| 06:39.18 | ndowens | dondelelcaro yea i am using apt-listbugs |
| 06:39.21 | TIRC_2575 | !list |
| 06:39.21 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to tirc_2575 |
| 06:39.22 | enouf | rainabba_: your first spellig was correct == quiet |
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| 06:39.58 | enouf | rainabba_: the other word 'quite' is used in the context .. "thank you, I'm doing quite well" |
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| 06:40.23 | rainabba_ | enouf: Funny, I didn't retype to correct my self, I do so because my client wasn't synced and I thought the first message didn't take. |
| 06:40.33 | enouf | rainabba_: ;-) |
| 06:40.51 | rainabba_ | enouf: It is quite silent in this quiet room. |
| 06:41.00 | enouf | hehe .. |
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| 06:41.44 | rainabba_ | enouf: Bad sign? "Unable to find a source package for 2.6.18-4-xen-amd64" |
| 06:42.15 | rainabba_ | enouf: Or does that just mean I'll have to find a tar-ball because it hasn't been packaged? |
| 06:42.51 | enouf | rainabba_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-latest-2.6.html |
| 06:43.03 | \amethyst | rainabba_: Actually, the kernel source is in a binary package :) |
| 06:43.42 | rainabba_ | \amethyst: That sounds confusing. Does that mean I can't compile myself? |
| 06:44.35 | \amethyst | rainabba_: you use the linux-source-2.6.18 package, and use make-kpkg (from kernel-package) to build it |
| 06:45.02 | \amethyst | rainabba_: That will make a debian package for your kernel, which is useful |
| 06:45.06 | enouf | rainabba_: look at that link .. way down .. bottom left .. see the .tar.gz? ; read the Changelog, and view the dsc file at the least |
| 06:46.22 | enouf | rainabba_: I concur, using make-kpkg is the debian way to build |
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| 06:46.22 | enouf | rainabba_: /msg dpkg make-kpkg, and /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 06:48.38 | rainabba_ | "Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an |
| 06:48.46 | rainabba_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.47 | rainabba_ | ? |
| 06:48.55 | rainabba_ | Sorry for the nasty paste there. |
| 06:49.01 | bhundven | if you don't need one |
| 06:49.09 | karsten | rainabba_: /msg dpkg paste |
| 06:49.13 | DawnLight | i am lost and confused |
| 06:49.20 | DawnLight | :/ |
| 06:49.27 | maxamillion | DawnLight: don't go towards the light |
| 06:49.30 | bhundven | ie. your fs mods are built in, dont' need scsi drivers... everything is built monolithic |
| 06:49.37 | maxamillion | DawnLight: or do ... depends ;) |
| 06:50.13 | rainabba_ | bhundven: So basically, if Denian worked out of the box for me, then I don't need an initrd? (put over-simplistically) |
| 06:50.25 | bhundven | not what I'm saying |
| 06:50.35 | bhundven | you probably do |
| 06:51.05 | bhundven | I'm saying if you built your own kernel, and didn't build with lkm support, *THEN* you probably don't need one. |
| 06:51.36 | rainabba_ | My grub/menu.lst shows my current initrd as "/initrd/img-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64" so I likely want to take the same approach right? |
| 06:51.37 | \amethyst | You need initrd if something necessary for getting to the root filesystem is a module |
| 06:51.53 | rainabba_ | ok |
| 06:52.21 | rainabba_ | But if it's compiled into the kernel and not a module, then I wouldn't need an initrd? |
| 06:52.41 | Azar | rainabba_: that message comes when you upgrade the kernel. If you use lilo you will need to edit the lilo.conf file, save, run sbin/lilo before reboot |
| 06:53.54 | Azar | rainabba_: if you just installed sarge or etch, I assume they come with grub bootloader and you need do nothing about that message |
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| 06:53.59 | \amethyst | rainabba_: yes. at least your disk controller and root filesystem, possibly also framebuffer if you're using that |
| 06:54.06 | rainabba_ | SO I cd into the source that I want to compile, follow the "mantra", (good so far?) |
| 06:54.22 | Vasistha | \amethyst: e.g. -- if your root partition is ext3, and ext3 is a module -- is that an example of when initrd is needed? |
| 06:55.10 | rainabba_ | Azar: Yep, using grub though I did have a choice. Last I heard, grub was in, Lilo was out. ;) |
| 06:56.15 | \amethyst | Vasistha: yes |
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| 06:57.11 | eMish | I searched for the git (kernel checkin tool) pkg, and having installed git pkg found that it is something else. What is the name of the git which is versioning tool ? |
| 06:57.24 | \amethyst | Vasistha: or if you're netbooting and your ethernet controller is a module |
| 06:57.24 | bhundven | git-core |
| 06:57.44 | tbf | or: how do i ping Loïc Minier? |
| 06:58.20 | Vasistha | \amethyst: thanks for clarifying -- I've always wondered. So, in one simple case, if I make a custom kernel with ext3 built in, then suddenly initrd is not necessary -- all of a sudden the concept is very easy to grasp :-) |
| 06:58.22 | \amethyst | Or, for that matter, if you want a remote root filesystem (since you'll need to bring up the network before the real root is present) |
| 06:59.30 | bhundven | which is also where klibc and it's utilities come in handy |
| 06:59.49 | \amethyst | Vasistha: As long as everything necessary for getting to your root filesystem and executing /sbin/init is in the kernel, you can probably do without an initrd |
| 07:00.35 | DawnLight | why didn't i ever had filename encoding issues all the years i used windows? |
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| 07:00.54 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: because you only ever used one type of filename encoding |
| 07:01.15 | DawnLight | i see... |
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| 07:03.44 | DawnLight | well... now i have a CD in the system and there's one file on it with a hebrew filename and all i see is ???? |
| 07:04.24 | enouf | rainabba_: go check the kernel channel .. you got a reply |
| 07:04.46 | tbf | is there some packaging related debian channel? |
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| 07:04.54 | tbf | like #ubuntu-motu? |
| 07:05.04 | tbf | /joim #ubuntu-motu |
| 07:05.12 | rainabba_ | Thoughts? http://pastebin.ca/403219 |
| 07:05.16 | enouf | tbf: the official debian channels are at irc.debian.org |
| 07:05.30 | tbf | enouf: ah! thanks! |
| 07:05.45 | DawnLight | is it possible for my operating system to see it correctly and all other files? |
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| 07:07.12 | DawnLight | is there an answer to this? can i only see one encoding correctly at a time? |
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| 07:08.41 | rainabba_ | enouf: When you get a sec, could you check out that paste? |
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| 07:09.08 | enouf | rainabba_: yes .. i have a few things to say .. but I'll hold off a bit .. |
| 07:09.12 | rainabba_ | k |
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| 07:12.11 | DawnLight | can i get to a point, have something configured/set up, at which i am not bothered/unaware of filename encoding anymore? |
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| 07:17.24 | Crypticfortun1 | errr i forget, what's the command to regenerate the c library locales? isn't it like genlocales or something? |
| 07:18.00 | Crypticfortun1 | (I'm trying to get my 32bit chroot environment to match my normal amd64 one) |
| 07:18.13 | tarzeau | tdn: yes it made sense |
| 07:20.20 | liable | Crypticfortun1: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 07:22.12 | Crypticfortun1 | liable: thanks that worked ^^ |
| 07:22.41 | liable | np |
| 07:23.28 | Hachiko | Package mysql has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list |
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| 07:23.47 | Hachiko | what does that mean? apt-cache search mysql shows it as available but i got that message on apt-get install mysql |
| 07:24.05 | liable | Hachiko: which debian version? |
| 07:24.41 | Hachiko | woody |
| 07:24.46 | liable | eek |
| 07:24.59 | Crypticfortun1 | Hachiko: wow |
| 07:25.01 | liable | Hachiko: you know security support has been stopped for woody? |
| 07:25.19 | DawnLight | well, i'll try |
| 07:25.28 | DawnLight | see you |
| 07:25.43 | Hachiko | liable, erm no..does it matter? |
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| 07:27.08 | Hachiko | i guess i have to download the binaries from the website and try to install manually.. |
| 07:27.09 | liable | Hachiko: certainly yes if you are running an exposed box |
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| 07:29.00 | Hachiko | the box is behind a router..so i think it shouldnt be a problem since no ports are opened.. |
| 07:29.35 | liable | your funeral |
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| 07:31.23 | tarzeau | does anyone install etch using rc2 d-i with preseeding and netboot? |
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| 07:37.34 | maddash | !apt-spy |
| 07:37.34 | dpkg | [apt-spy] a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 07:39.48 | Crypticfortun1 | woo! 32bit chroot solves flash nswrapper plugin issues! now that i have a working pandora volume controller, i think my debian set up is finally complete =P |
| 07:40.30 | maddash | funny. I've never needed to deal with ndiswrapper, and my wireless works fine. |
| 07:40.54 | liable | talking to yourself? :P |
| 07:41.13 | maddash | liable: not anymore :) |
| 07:41.23 | Crypticfortun1 | maddash: nswrapper is totally unrelated to nswrapper |
| 07:41.33 | Crypticfortun1 | maddash: errr unrelated to ndiswrapper i mean *^^* |
| 07:41.44 | row | What is considered the correct way to change a server currently set to "Europe/London" to UTC? |
| 07:41.46 | maddash | Crypticfortun1: oops, I misread that. ignore me. |
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| 07:43.18 | cahoot | row: meaning change from localtime to UTC? |
| 07:43.54 | row | cahoot: yes. |
| 07:44.32 | row | I put UTC in /etc/timesoze last time |
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| 07:44.45 | row | just wondering if thats correct /etc/timezone* |
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| 07:46.23 | cahoot | row: the choice between localtime/UTC is done in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 07:47.11 | row | cahoot: I want logs to be in UTC etc... |
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| 07:47.21 | appelza | Hi |
| 07:47.33 | appelza | Which package will provide me with 'suexec2', I've installed both apache and apache2 and I still don't have it. |
| 07:47.59 | Crypticfortun1 | cahoot: i think that that determines how the hardware clock is used (ie: whether to set it to UTC or localtime) and is unrelated to how times get formatted |
| 07:48.21 | Crypticfortun1 | cahoot: (for example, mine is UTC=yes and i say my times for my local time zone (japan)) |
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| 07:48.30 | row | yeah |
| 07:48.35 | row | it says hardware clock in the file |
| 07:48.36 | cahoot | yes I might have misunderstood the intention |
| 07:48.50 | row | I want log files and such to be in UTC, not GMT |
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| 07:49.28 | Crypticfortun1 | row: incidentally im curious where that setting is in debian also....my chroot is reporting times in UTC and i want them to be my local time (so i plan on doing the reverse of whatever your correct answer is ;) |
| 07:49.33 | appelza | Which package will provide me with 'suexec2', I've installed both apache and apache2 and I still don't have it. |
| 07:49.56 | row | Crypticfortun1: well I put it in /etc/timezone before and will again but not sure if thats correct as such. |
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| 07:50.08 | row | it works but does it follow debain method etc:P |
| 07:50.21 | appelza | anyone, ffs :/. |
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| 07:51.12 | row | appelza: its already there afaik |
| 07:51.20 | DawnLight | hello peeps |
| 07:51.28 | row | a2emod suexec |
| 07:51.32 | row | appelza^^ |
| 07:51.42 | Crypticfortun1 | row: i didnt see UTC listed as an option in time-admin, but i think time-admin just sets that file, so that should be fine...? |
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| 07:51.58 | row | Crypticfortun1: most likely, its worked through updates |
| 07:52.03 | row | sod it I will just alter this file. |
| 07:52.05 | appelza | row: that doesnt help me :( |
| 07:52.07 | appelza | how do I install it |
| 07:52.12 | appelza | it doesnt exist on this system |
| 07:52.17 | appelza | for some crazy reason |
| 07:53.29 | Crypticfortun1 | sadly, setting /etc/timezone to Asia/tokyo still doesn't solve my chroot problem =( |
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| 07:53.58 | row | you checked in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ you should have suexec.load in there |
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| 07:54.39 | appelza | row yeah, it exists |
| 07:54.45 | appelza | but the binary file suexec2 doesnt |
| 07:54.48 | row | Crypticfortun1: after updating that however how do I get everything to update without forcing it via a reboot :P |
| 07:55.27 | row | Crypticfortun1: as this is my router rather not reboot :) |
| 07:55.36 | Crypticfortun1 | row: that's what i'd like to know, because chroot's by their nature don't "reboot" :p |
| 07:56.31 | row | Crypticfortun1: :) |
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| 07:56.40 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 07:57.02 | mateuszk | I am getting unresolved symbol with xserver-xorg-core 7.2 any help ? |
| 07:57.16 | appelza | which package provides : suexec2?!!?!?! |
| 07:57.19 | appelza | *sigh* |
| 07:57.54 | mateuszk | appelza, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
| 07:58.09 | row | appelza: search packages.debian.org for /etc/apache2/mods-available/suexec.load |
| 07:58.17 | appelza | ty |
| 07:59.02 | mateuszk | :( |
| 07:59.02 | Crypticfortun1 | row: try running tzconfig |
| 07:59.31 | mateuszk | I would like to run xorg 7.2 as it has bug fix |
| 07:59.52 | mateuszk | however it's in experimental and has a bug... unresolved symbol in libdri.so |
| 08:00.04 | mateuszk | where to report bugs about experimental ? |
| 08:00.12 | bushblows | I just noticed in a folder, the permissions has an s in it, what could the s be |
| 08:01.42 | maddash | !tell appelza about find |
| 08:01.57 | Crypticfortun1 | bushblows: i believe that means "seteuid to owner on exec" (which for a folder means all files created in that folder will have that set by default) |
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| 08:02.30 | Crypticfortun1 | bushblows: i tried screwing around with that, and as far as i can tell, it does not in fact change the euid at all....maybe i did something wrong though.... |
| 08:02.53 | bushblows | well what option would allow me to set that to a folder? |
| 08:03.44 | bushblows | because I accidently chmoded my /home to 700 |
| 08:03.54 | bushblows | and want to put it back exactly as it was |
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| 08:04.08 | Crypticfortun1 | bushblows: chmod u+s myfolder |
| 08:04.16 | bushblows | ah thanks |
| 08:04.30 | Crypticfortun1 | bushblows: but i really doubt that your home had the s bit set.... |
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| 08:04.58 | row | Crypticfortun1: knew it Etch/UTC probs for some update reason for something :) |
| 08:05.02 | bushblows | well I only go by another debian install with the same cd |
| 08:05.06 | row | ta Crypticfortun1 |
| 08:05.26 | bushblows | drwxrwsr-x |
| 08:05.42 | bushblows | that is the permissions for my /home on another identical debian install |
| 08:06.04 | Crypticfortun1 | bushblows: ah, that's set gid on exec (g+s) but, still that's kinda weird. i wouldn't use that.... |
| 08:06.07 | bushblows | would it really matter if I didnt bother to add that, when adding new users |
| 08:06.24 | bushblows | it is a net-install server |
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| 08:08.05 | Crypticfortun1 | Crypticfortun1: personally i've never seen that s bit actually _work_, and the only time i've seen it make a difference was on some relatively obscure host authentication stuff in sshd. personally i wouldn't worry about it...(but im still a little confused by that thing myself, so, don't trust me 100%) |
| 08:08.44 | Crypticfortun1 | errr i mean bushblows. i dont mean to be talking to myself =P |
| 08:09.14 | bushblows | lol, your fine |
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| 08:09.20 | Crypticfortun1 | /nickname Crypticfortune |
| 08:09.22 | Crypticfortun1 | grrr |
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| 08:09.35 | bushblows | I am setting this server up to host some shells for me and my buddys, is that going to effect anything |
| 08:10.47 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:12.46 | Crypticfortun1 | bushblows: i've never seen a system with s set on /home, and i figure not setting that should make it more secure if anything (but like i said, ive never actually seen that s bit work, so, im not convinced it makes a difference :p |
| 08:12.57 | yoshio | Crypticfortun1: the command is /nick |
| 08:13.21 | bushblows | oklien, thank you |
| 08:13.25 | bushblows | ok* |
| 08:13.30 | Crypticfortun1 | yoshio: ya i know, but "/nick Crypticfortune" didn't work, so i got creative. i blame this silly gaim irc plugin :p |
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| 08:17.10 | wireddd | Crypticfortun1: it didn't work because someone else is using it |
| 08:18.46 | Crypticfortun1 | wireddd: obviously i need to stop being lazy and register my nick.... =/ |
| 08:18.58 | wireddd | yeah it is easy |
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| 08:19.23 | Crypticfortun1 | /who Crypticfortune |
| 08:19.25 | Crypticfortun1 | grrrr |
| 08:19.34 | Crypticfortun1 | ok im goign to stop using gaim for this i think... |
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| 08:22.48 | Knight_Lord | Is there any dhcpd.conf option to make sure that the server only listens to a given interface? |
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| 08:23.14 | liable | one would imagine |
| 08:23.24 | liable | man dhcpd.conf? |
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| 08:23.59 | Knight_Lord | I would also imagine but I can't find anything |
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| 08:37.42 | dromer | hi, I'm trying to get my Quickcam Messenger to work and I found this: http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~decockd/wiki/bin/view.cgi/Main/InstallingQuickCamMessengerTOC << how do I run this script? |
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| 08:39.14 | simonrvn | you look it over to make sure th's not some rootkit, then if not chmod +x the_script then ./the_script |
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| 08:39.38 | Supaplex | well, there's a su - part in there, so that might not work as planned :) |
| 08:39.42 | ShadowofShinobi | hiya |
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| 08:40.13 | dromer | Supaplex: and if run by sudo ? |
| 08:40.22 | zeroflag | hi. |
| 08:40.24 | ShadowofShinobi | can anyone tell me why ksysguard says i have only ~1GB of ram when i have 2? (Debian "Etchy") |
| 08:40.25 | MythrilSword | couldnt you not use the sudo part of script if you run it as root ? |
| 08:40.54 | zeroflag | it seems my apt sources are once again outdated/screwed up and I am, again, not capable of fixing it. >_< |
| 08:40.56 | Supaplex | humm, they make it look like ubuntu is a debian relase. haha morons. :P |
| 08:41.01 | dromer | simonrvn:, meh, not working :P |
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| 08:41.20 | dromer | debian-based =/ debian ;) |
| 08:41.44 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: grep -i higmem /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 08:41.46 | zeroflag | well, I got debian help on an ubuntu channel.. :P |
| 08:42.21 | liable | scary thought |
| 08:42.31 | dromer | but damn, I just can't get my cam to work, I already tried the latest qc-usb-messenger driven (1.6) but it wouldn't compile since I don't have my kernels gcc installed (and unable to find it: gcc-3.5.5 ) |
| 08:42.37 | zeroflag | can someone tell me why apt-get update always hangs at 99% when loading sources from ftp://ftp.debian.org testing? |
| 08:42.38 | Supaplex | well they borrow from us, so it might be eaiser to know what they bastrdized^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H changed. |
| 08:42.43 | ShadowofShinobi | "grep: higmem: No such file or directory" |
| 08:43.11 | liable | then you mistyped |
| 08:43.35 | liable | should be highmem too :) |
| 08:43.36 | dromer | this is the error I got wit the script: E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.4.27-3-386 |
| 08:43.38 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: no I mistyoed grep -i highmem /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 08:43.42 | cahoot | heh |
| 08:43.49 | Supaplex | sure it's not bigmem? |
| 08:44.01 | liable | megamem! |
| 08:44.21 | ShadowofShinobi | "CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y" ? |
| 08:44.29 | Supaplex | supersize mem! |
| 08:44.38 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: that's why |
| 08:44.45 | ShadowofShinobi | well, how do I fix it? |
| 08:44.49 | liable | silly debian kernels |
| 08:45.48 | Supaplex | !fix ShadowofShinobi |
| 08:45.48 | zeroflag | could you guys please stop making fun of not-so-funny program names and help me with my apt-get? oO |
| 08:45.48 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: IIRC later kernels have it enabled |
| 08:45.48 | ShadowofShinobi | Supaplex: lol :P |
| 08:45.49 | Supaplex | zeroflag: try a different mirror and/or protocol. if that works, huzzah. |
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| 08:46.12 | liable | seeing as i dont get paid, i can chose to ignore whatever i want :P |
| 08:46.16 | ShadowofShinobi | hmm, afaik it should be a recent kernel.. i just installed debian testing yesterday |
| 08:46.21 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: 2.6.18-4-k7 on my system has highmem enabled |
| 08:46.24 | zeroflag | Supaplex: that's the second problem I'm having. I forgot where to change mirrors. ~~ |
| 08:46.46 | dromer | arg, can anybody help me compile the drivers for my webcam? :S I think for the newest qc-usb-messenger driver I'd need at least gcc from my kernel, but that's gcc-3.5.5 and I can't find it anywhere |
| 08:46.53 | Supaplex | zeroflag: apt-spy, sources.list |
| 08:47.00 | dromer | there _must_ be a .deb out there somewhere no? :( |
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| 08:47.19 | zeroflag | Supaplex: no such thing. |
| 08:47.25 | liable | dromer: where did you get that kernel? |
| 08:47.26 | Supaplex | !apt-spy |
| 08:47.26 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your ... |
| 08:47.30 | Supaplex | !sources.list |
| 08:47.30 | dpkg | methinks sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 08:48.14 | ShadowofShinobi | Where do I check my kernel version? |
| 08:48.19 | Supaplex | liable: he went broke after paying attention, so he borrowed one from a neighbor kid ;) |
| 08:48.21 | cahoot | uname -r |
| 08:48.23 | Supaplex | ShadowofShinobi: uname |
| 08:48.37 | dromer | liable: e r... got thes system setup a while ago .. I think it was woody |
| 08:48.43 | ShadowofShinobi | it's 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 08:48.44 | dromer | upgraded to sarge in the meantime |
| 08:49.08 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: 686 should have highmem IIRC |
| 08:49.11 | liable | dromer: so go get yourself a recent kernel, i dont think gcc-3.5 was even released |
| 08:49.14 | Supaplex | it must be run running old stable when testing is frozen |
| 08:49.21 | dromer | 2.4.27-3-386 << is my current kernel :@ |
| 08:49.28 | dromer | liable: ok, how can I get a kernel upgrade? |
| 08:49.29 | ShadowofShinobi | So.. is there a way for me to enable it with this kernel or do i have to upgrade it? |
| 08:49.31 | Supaplex | s/run/fun/ |
| 08:49.49 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: not unless you recompile |
| 08:50.12 | ShadowofShinobi | -.-' so uhm, yeah.. is upgrading it easy/painfree? XD |
| 08:50.27 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: should be |
| 08:50.31 | liable | dromer: you have dyslexia, i think you will find its gcc-3.3.5 |
| 08:50.37 | liable | :) |
| 08:50.50 | liable | dromer: cat /proc/version |
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| 08:51.03 | dromer | liable: ha, sorry :P (maybe I just typed wrong ;) ) |
| 08:51.05 | hi_im_new | Hi all.... At this moment, I have a working debian installation (which ive used every day for months, and NEVER used windows) and an expired copy of WINDOWS VISTA on another partition. I finally need to reinstall a copy of XP over that useless VISTA partition, but at the end of it, it will no longer go to GRUB manager and boot directly into XP. How am I supposed to fix this? |
| 08:51.11 | ShadowofShinobi | ok, how..? synaptic, apt-get? or do i have to compile it :S |
| 08:51.26 | dromer | liable: ah yes, 3.3.5 but I can't fin that either :# |
| 08:51.46 | liable | dromer: just get gcc-3.3 |
| 08:51.48 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: aptitude/synaptic/apt-get - your choice |
| 08:51.48 | Supaplex | !tell dromer -about search |
| 08:51.52 | dromer | at least a good .deb .. but I'll search again ;) |
| 08:52.03 | liable | you should have it really.. |
| 08:53.27 | ShadowofShinobi | I suppose I'll have to do a restart for updating the kernel... XD |
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| 08:53.45 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: unless you're very apt yes |
| 08:54.04 | dromer | error I get when compiling the driver: Warning: gcc-3.3.5 missing |
| 08:54.17 | liable | dromer: gcc -v |
| 08:54.20 | liable | ? |
| 08:54.42 | dromer | gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
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| 08:54.59 | dromer | though I think there could be multiple versions of gcc installed |
| 08:55.17 | Supaplex | gcc[TAB][TAB] |
| 08:55.26 | liable | dromer: export CC=gcc-3.5; make; make install |
| 08:55.29 | Jabka | im searching for some vhdl graphical prog (like ktechlab) |
| 08:55.46 | dromer | ok, gcc, gcc-3.3 and 4.1 |
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| 08:57.03 | dromer | hmm, the 3.3 installed seems to be 3.3.6 |
| 08:57.20 | Supaplex | !snapshot |
| 08:57.20 | dpkg | hmm... debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 08:57.22 | liable | the minor version shouldnt matter |
| 08:57.38 | dromer | gcc-3.3 version: gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-15) and then: Kernel compiler: gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) and: [!] Kernel compiler and gcc-3.3 seem to be different versions. |
| 08:57.43 | Supaplex | for real? are those famous last words? |
| 08:57.50 | dromer | hehe |
| 08:58.32 | liable | i have never had a module whine about minor version |
| 08:59.11 | dromer | hmm, ok, I continued the script, but now I get: [!] Can not find kernel source or even headers |
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| 08:59.48 | liable | so install headers |
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| 09:00.44 | dromer | linux-kernel-headers ? |
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| 09:01.55 | Supaplex | !searchsmite dromer |
| 09:01.59 | dromer | heh: linux-kernel-headers is already the newest version |
| 09:02.01 | ShadowofShinobi | I don't even know what I'm looking for so i can't tell if i've found it or not XD (to update the kernel i mean) |
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| 09:04.42 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: aptitude search linux-image |
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| 09:06.49 | ShadowofShinobi | update from 486 to 686? |
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| 09:07.10 | ShadowofShinobi | that will just change the arch, no? |
| 09:07.48 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: what CPU does your system have? |
| 09:08.02 | ShadowofShinobi | uhm AMD athlon xp |
| 09:08.27 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: might as well tke the k7 kernel then |
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| 09:09.22 | ShadowofShinobi | hmm, how do those live-cd's detect your full memory then? I thought they generally used x86 kernels |
| 09:10.03 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: I think detect is different from use |
| 09:10.24 | ShadowofShinobi | well, I meant use |
| 09:11.20 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: the crucial thing is your current kernel doesn't |
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| 09:12.16 | ShadowofShinobi | Yeah, ok, I'll go install k7 |
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| 09:14.21 | ShadowofShinobi | hmm will installing a new kernel affect my currently installed nvidia drivers? |
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| 09:16.09 | streuner | sure |
| 09:16.10 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: most probably |
| 09:16.32 | streuner | ShadowofShinobi: nvidia drivers? which one? |
| 09:16.43 | ShadowofShinobi | err, I'm not sure |
| 09:16.56 | ShadowofShinobi | whichever is the latest debian package probably |
| 09:17.10 | streuner | modules for an official kernel, drivers from there website or selfmade drivers? |
| 09:17.28 | ShadowofShinobi | official kernel afaik |
| 09:17.46 | streuner | ShadowofShinobi: dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 09:18.56 | ShadowofShinobi | nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 |
| 09:18.59 | streuner | no kernel modules? |
| 09:19.11 | streuner | How did you made those then? |
| 09:19.18 | streuner | s/made/make/ |
| 09:19.37 | ShadowofShinobi | "kernel module for Linux 2.6.18" |
| 09:19.54 | streuner | ShadowofShinobi: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 09:20.11 | xixor | nvidia one-liner is great |
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| 09:20.17 | ShadowofShinobi | hm? |
| 09:20.31 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 09:20.35 | ShadowofShinobi | type that in bash? |
| 09:20.43 | streuner | there aren't any nvidia modules for 2.6.18-k7 |
| 09:20.54 | streuner | so you need to make them for yourself |
| 09:21.07 | ShadowofShinobi | last time i tried to use nvidia |
| 09:21.10 | ^rob^ | is there any way to tell iptables to accept a list of ip's for sources ??? |
| 09:21.24 | ^rob^ | or i have to tell -s each ip? |
| 09:21.28 | ShadowofShinobi | 's install script and i couldn't get the xserver to stay off (stupid enter key -.-) |
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| 09:21.49 | ^rob^ | i have to forward 40 vnc ports |
| 09:22.08 | ^rob^ | each port on another machine. |
| 09:22.31 | streuner | !nvidia-installer really sucks |
| 09:22.32 | dpkg | We don't tell you not to use drivers from nvidia.com for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break HORRIBLY, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it RIGHT the first time - /msg dpkg nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 09:23.16 | Supaplex | or just use nv like us lovers of GPL :) |
| 09:23.28 | ShadowofShinobi | i thought nv couldn't do 3d acceleration |
| 09:23.37 | ShadowofShinobi | therefore my beryl wouldn't work, no? |
| 09:23.48 | cahoot | 2d isn't good enough for you? |
| 09:23.49 | ^rob^ | ShadowofShinobi: yepp. |
| 09:23.51 | Supaplex | oh please. eye candy is for kids. |
| 09:23.54 | streuner | dpkg, nvidia-installer really sucks is also or ask about <nvidia one-liner> |
| 09:23.54 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 09:24.29 | streuner | ShadowofShinobi: nvidia-glx works too and its packaged for Debian... |
| 09:24.32 | ShadowofShinobi | Supaplex: well, tommarow is my bday, I turn 17 :P |
| 09:24.34 | Supaplex | someday I'll jump on the beryl eye candy bandwagon. |
| 09:24.50 | Supaplex | you're still a kid :P |
| 09:24.51 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: don't forget that linux has X vmw - different themes on each - that's how we win more users - so don't tell eye candy is for kids :) |
| 09:25.10 | Supaplex | ok, I take it back ;) |
| 09:25.35 | ^rob^ | more users = more apps - free/nonfree games etc... => more popularity => more development => less MS Win. ;) |
| 09:25.56 | cahoot | a nice dream |
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| 09:26.12 | Supaplex | now I'm thinking of desktop tower defense already. |
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| 09:26.20 | remoteCtrl | hi, cdaudio can't just be mounted ? |
| 09:26.32 | Knight_Lord | How do I firewall DHCP? |
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| 09:26.41 | gcc-newbie | hey |
| 09:26.42 | Knight_Lord | Can I firewall some ports? |
| 09:26.42 | gcc-newbie | ppl, how can I see my ip address on Debian? |
| 09:26.44 | streuner | heh |
| 09:26.49 | Knight_Lord | gcc-newbie ifconfig |
| 09:26.50 | streuner | ifconfig |
| 09:26.57 | ShadowofShinobi | But, I'm wondering, if there's no pre-built package for nvidia drivers with k7 kernel. then how am I supposed to re-install it after it updates? |
| 09:27.07 | ^rob^ | The day that you won't need Win is not quite so long... (I myself dont' have dualboot - but i need vmware->windows to be able to connect to bank - which use activex - i have no other posibility -- YET!) |
| 09:27.12 | cahoot | gcc-newbie: unless you have a router and mean the extrnal |
| 09:27.18 | streuner | Knight_Lord: wth someone want firewall DHCP? |
| 09:27.20 | gcc-newbie | ifconfif? |
| 09:27.23 | Supaplex | !cdfs |
| 09:27.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, cdfs is a filesystem that `exports' all tracks and boot images on a CD as normal files. These files can then be mounted (e.g. for ISO and boot images), copied, played (audio and VideoCD tracks)... http://www.elis.rug.ac.be/~ronsse/cdfs/ !, or what HP-UX calls iso9660, or apt-get install cdfs-src |
| 09:27.29 | ^rob^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.36 | Supaplex | remoteCtrl: see what dpkg just said. |
| 09:27.43 | gcc-newbie | what package is it in? |
| 09:27.57 | streuner | !find ifconfig |
| 09:27.59 | Knight_Lord | streuner I have 2 interfaces and I don't want my DHCP server listening on the external one. And I can't find any option in dhcpd.conf to tell the server in which interfaces to bind |
| 09:28.07 | streuner | !tell gcc-newbie about search |
| 09:28.11 | remoteCtrl | Supaplex btw there's a way for noatun to play audio cd ? |
| 09:28.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ifconfig' (5 of 12): (/sbin/ifconfig) in net/net-tools ;; (/usr/bin/inetutils-ifconfig) in net/inetutils-tools ;; (/usr/share/fish/completions/ifconfig.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/share/upstreamdev/log-modules/ifconfig.py) in admin/upstreamdev ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Completion/Unix/_ifconfig) in shells/zsh. |
| 09:28.58 | gcc-newbie | ahhh, as root |
| 09:28.59 | Supaplex | remoteCtrl: there are some cli cdplayers for that. |
| 09:29.00 | gcc-newbie | oops |
| 09:29.04 | gcc-newbie | sorry, thanks |
| 09:29.06 | gcc-newbie | a lot1 |
| 09:29.07 | gcc-newbie | ! |
| 09:29.13 | ^rob^ | gcc-newbie: use sudo |
| 09:29.27 | gcc-newbie | I know root pwd |
| 09:29.30 | Supaplex | or /sbin/ifconfig |
| 09:29.34 | remoteCtrl | Supaplex> i know but i need noatun or similar so i can use dcop as commander |
| 09:29.55 | Supaplex | I don't know, remoteCtrl. |
| 09:30.02 | ShadowofShinobi | btw, since i had the package manager install the new kernel, will it be activated when i restart the comp or is there something else i'd have to configure for that to happen ? |
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| 09:30.22 | ^rob^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.24 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: you'll get to choose |
| 09:30.59 | ^rob^ | apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source |
| 09:31.19 | Knight_Lord | streuner I see it's a command line option |
| 09:31.19 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: unless you've disabled the bootloader reconfig |
| 09:31.48 | ^rob^ | then run module-assistant - do a verify,sinc... then compile the stuff - result will be a deb |
| 09:31.51 | streuner | Knight_Lord: so you have a solution? |
| 09:32.54 | ShadowofShinobi | ^rob^: both packages are newest version already |
| 09:33.08 | Supaplex | newest is buggiest |
| 09:34.09 | ShadowofShinobi | i didn't try to install newest, it was just that way |
| 09:34.11 | streuner | Knight_Lord: ok |
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| 09:34.35 | niru | I am unable to add alien and mysql-common pacakge to cd |
| 09:34.49 | niru | it shows while building cd that |
| 09:35.07 | niru | packages have refused due to user choice |
| 09:35.22 | Supaplex | !paste niru |
| 09:35.23 | dpkg | niru: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 09:35.45 | niru | Supaplex:ok |
| 09:36.43 | cahoot | Knight_Lord: no /etc/default/dhcpd to edit? |
| 09:36.47 | niru | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5761 |
| 09:37.18 | ^rob^ | how can ilist iptables without to resolve ip's |
| 09:37.18 | ^rob^ | ?? |
| 09:37.36 | ^rob^ | ah -n |
| 09:37.53 | streuner | !nickometer ^rob^ |
| 09:37.54 | dpkg | '^rob^' is 26.000% lame, streuner |
| 09:38.13 | ^rob^ | !nickometer streuner |
| 09:38.15 | ShadowofShinobi | how do you compile without the debugger enabled? |
| 09:38.15 | dpkg | 'streuner' is 0.000% lame, ^rob^ |
| 09:38.25 | ^rob^ | nice |
| 09:39.16 | Supaplex | niru: what's outputting that? that's not a lot of context in the paste. |
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| 09:39.44 | ^rob^ | streuner: you don't write too much - u-re not lammer then :) |
| 09:40.23 | niru | Supaplex:thats the message for the package not comming into cd :? |
| 09:40.23 | streuner | ^rob^: its called 'nickometer' NOT 'idle-o-meter' ;-) |
| 09:40.44 | ^rob^ | ok |
| 09:40.46 | dromer | ok, so I'm still having trouble getting the quickcam-driver to work, and I'm seriously considering to upgrade my kernel now, how do I best do this? |
| 09:40.51 | Supaplex | niru: I only see the last 5 lines. is there anything before it? what did you type to show this? |
| 09:41.19 | cydork | dromer: which version of debian are you using? |
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| 09:41.43 | Supaplex | niru: good luck. I can feel by brain turning off, so I'll go back to bed now. take care. |
| 09:41.48 | streuner | ^rob^: change your nick, those weird '^' chars are annoying and you'll get less response... |
| 09:41.49 | dromer | sarge, with kernel 2.4.27-3-286 |
| 09:41.53 | niru | Supaplex:ok |
| 09:41.55 | dromer | cydork: ^ |
| 09:42.31 | cydork | dromer: /msg dpkg 2.4->2.6 |
| 09:42.41 | dromer | thnx |
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| 09:44.52 | psyke83 | hi, can someone tell me what package is responsible for generating the file /etc/hosts? |
| 09:45.12 | streuner | Are you able to play a 'Region 4' game in europe for a 'XBOX 306'? |
| 09:45.25 | streuner | s/XBOX 306/XBOX 360/ |
| 09:45.51 | streuner | psyke83: uh, its a script |
| 09:46.07 | streuner | that writes /etc/hosts |
| 09:46.22 | streuner | right at the install process |
| 09:46.26 | psyke83 | streuner, yeah I know, but if I were to file a bug about it being incorrectly generated, what package do I file against? |
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| 09:46.52 | streuner | for d-i? |
| 09:47.07 | streuner | ask in #debian-boot (OFTC) about |
| 09:47.16 | psyke83 | ok, thanks |
| 09:48.06 | tmn | Hi, just wondring. I can't get ident work for IRC on my Debian box. Is there any guides that works (when following top to bottom of the guide) :/ |
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| 09:48.39 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 09:48.57 | streuner | !info nullidentd |
| 09:49.03 | dpkg | nullidentd: (small, fast identd daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 45 kB |
| 09:49.20 | streuner | easy to setup without any configuration |
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| 09:49.32 | tmn | ah, ok.. thanks. I'll try :) |
| 09:49.55 | dromer | o,k new kernel installed .. now for a good apt-get upgrade .. |
| 09:50.16 | streuner | tmn: you have to open the port in your router for identd, that's all |
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| 09:50.50 | tmn | :) |
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| 09:51.55 | pentarim | anybody has info on debian repository with php5 version 5.1.2 in it, which i could use on ubuntu? |
| 09:52.12 | streuner | pentarim: #ubuntu |
| 09:52.22 | SlayerXP | pentarim: this is #debian |
| 09:52.42 | pentarim | sorry,i tried there, but nothing found |
| 09:52.46 | pentarim | so back to roots :) |
| 09:52.54 | SlayerXP | pentarim: maybe #freebsd then. |
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| 09:54.22 | pentarim | tnx for info |
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| 09:55.18 | Nebur | Hi, why grep does not understand the expresion '.+' and yes for '.*' ? |
| 09:55.22 | kzm | Hi! Trying to create a .deb, and somehow managed to get one installed in a "very bad inconsistent state". How can I remove it? |
| 09:56.33 | litage | how can one determine how much data is sitting inside a named pipe/FIFO? |
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| 10:02.57 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone has problem with bind not stopping with init.d/named stop? |
| 10:03.00 | Knight_Lord | In stable |
| 10:03.02 | Knight_Lord | bind9 |
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| 10:04.55 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: not me. |
| 10:05.46 | ShadowofShinobi | I don't suppose there's an official debian nvidia package for 686 kernel? |
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| 10:06.59 | Knight_Lord | I changed the location of the zone files, maybe that's a problem |
| 10:08.18 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: aptitude search nvidia |
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| 10:10.52 | Joachim | Nebur: see info sed Appendix A 'Extended regular expressions |
| 10:11.30 | Joachim | grep uses by default basic regular expressions |
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| 10:14.53 | dromer | hmm, when upgrlading I'm getting a problem with openbsd-inetd: http://pastebin.ca/403390 |
| 10:14.59 | dromer | upgrading* |
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| 10:15.34 | remoteCtrl | hi, there's a program that record audio from streams (youtube) ? |
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| 10:17.07 | dromer | remoteCtrl: I'd guess you'd have to rip the flv first, then convert to avi and rip the audio .. |
| 10:17.08 | markybob | ircing while an ambien sure is an interesting experience |
| 10:17.26 | dromer | markybob: druggie :P |
| 10:18.15 | markybob | dromer, it's a sleep aid. not really what one would normally get called "druggie" for |
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| 10:18.28 | dromer | hehe, lots of people abuse ambien |
| 10:18.45 | dromer | remoteCtrl: sorry, can't really help |
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| 10:22.57 | ShadowofShinobi | hey there is a precompiled k7 nvidia module... |
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| 10:23.18 | markybob | !nvidia one-liner |
| 10:23.18 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 10:23.18 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: aptitude search nvidia |
| 10:23.47 | ShadowofShinobi | I just did that, that's how i found it. |
| 10:24.10 | cahoot | ShadowofShinobi: sorry I read it as a question |
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| 10:27.06 | aXp | hi all |
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| 10:29.23 | rikkus | Hi, my /etc/apt/sources.list looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/neJV2T98.html and I've done apt-get update - but apt-cache search zsh returns nothing and apt-cache search rsync doesn't show me rsync (some other stuff, but not actual rsync). Is my sources.list wrong? |
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| 10:31.35 | Nebur | Joachim: thanks |
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| 10:32.32 | dreamer | aaarg, I am just booting into the new kernel I just installed, and the boot just hangs at: checking if image is initramfs... |
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| 10:32.55 | zozo76 | let me explain i've 2 domain domain1.con and domain2.com on postfix (virtual domain,vurtual user), I need to make mailman work for this to domain on etch |
| 10:33.21 | rikkus | and it looks like rsync is in stable (http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/rsync) - but I just can't see it |
| 10:33.25 | zozo76 | usually every thing is clear in /usr/share/doc but not for mailman |
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| 10:41.51 | dreamer | does anybody have an idea why this kernel isn't booting? because is should work on my PII Celeron |
| 10:42.04 | dreamer | 2.6-686 that is |
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| 10:42.53 | Guerin | !htfswk dreamer |
| 10:42.53 | dpkg | dreamer: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 10:43.07 | jatt | wow |
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| 10:44.30 | Joachim | Nabur: If your want grep to use extended regexps use grep -E |
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| 10:44.41 | yeti | Hi there... could anyone help me with crontab? |
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| 10:44.55 | cydork | yeti: sure man 5 crontab |
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| 10:46.28 | yeti | Well, I think I know what's important to set up a crontab file |
| 10:46.28 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know why I have to alter the send-hostname in dhclient.conf to add my hostname there to get DNS from DHCP clients? |
| 10:46.33 | yeti | However, the app doesn't want to run |
| 10:46.43 | Knight_Lord | While I already have hostname in my interfaces file?!? |
| 10:46.45 | yeti | I edited the /etc/crontab file. |
| 10:47.03 | yeti | Here's how it looks like |
| 10:47.06 | yeti | 30 6* * *yettenetenv DISPLAY=:0. /usr/bin/audacious |
| 10:47.21 | yeti | Even though I have put env DISPLAY=:0. in it, the proggy doesn't want to run |
| 10:48.04 | jelly | :0. looks funny |
| 10:48.31 | jelly | ... but works, so that's not an issue |
| 10:48.52 | yeti | mkdir and other trivial commands work |
| 10:48.55 | yeti | This does not |
| 10:49.07 | jelly | yeti: any error messages? |
| 10:49.18 | yeti | Nothing |
| 10:49.21 | yeti | It just doesn't start |
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| 10:49.40 | yeti | Mar 20 11:49:01 yettenet-laptop /USR/SBIN/CRON[6624]: (yettenet) CMD (env DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/audacious) |
| 10:49.45 | yeti | syslog |
| 10:50.02 | jelly | yeti: looks about right |
| 10:50.16 | yeti | yup, everything is fine, apart from the app not starting |
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| 10:50.33 | jelly | yeti: it is starting, but it doesn't run ;-) |
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| 10:50.42 | yeti | Sry, you're right |
| 10:50.44 | k-man | did bsg air on sunday night? |
| 10:51.17 | yeti | So then... any idea? |
| 10:51.29 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 10:51.29 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of three-legged hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 10:51.32 | jelly | k-man: 3x19 did air, but this is not a debian issue :-) |
| 10:51.45 | yeti | :P |
| 10:52.09 | k-man | jelly, ah, ok... I did ask on #bsg, but no one was there |
| 10:52.13 | k-man | jelly, thanks |
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| 10:52.46 | jelly | #debian -- we track your tv schedules. |
| 10:53.11 | tvynr | Question, all: how would I go about creating an initramfs for a custom kernel I just cross-compiled for another machine? |
| 10:53.46 | jelly | yeti: is the X server running under that user? :-) |
| 10:54.16 | yeti | It has to, since I'm logged in from that login :P |
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| 10:56.00 | jelly | yeti: does a simpler X app like xdpyinfo work? |
| 10:56.11 | yeti | Dunno :P |
| 10:56.13 | radical | if 2 machines mount the same block device (one via nbd, one local) and access two different lvm partitions on that device via r/w, will there be trouble? |
| 10:56.18 | jelly | yeti: ... |
| 10:56.32 | yeti | I don't know xdpyinfo... |
| 10:57.01 | jelly | yeti: run it in an term, so that you know what to expect. Then try it from cron. |
| 10:57.28 | yeti | I'll try |
| 10:57.52 | jelly | radical: hmph, ask #lvm ? |
| 10:58.48 | radical | jelly: i would prefer asking in #nbd, but the channel is somewhat non-existant |
| 10:59.00 | yeti | * ** * *yettenetenv DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/xdpyinfo <--- I typed this... nothing happened |
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| 10:59.20 | jelly | yeti: you should have gotten a mail. |
| 11:00.11 | jelly | yeti: why are you using global crontab instead of the user's own anyway? |
| 11:00.36 | yeti | I like it more when I see everything in one place |
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| 11:02.01 | yeti | Well, I haven't gotten a mail |
| 11:03.49 | jelly | yeti: what about a simple "echo foo", if you don't get a mail from cron with the output, something is misconfigured |
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| 11:04.51 | yeti | yettenet@yettenet-laptop:~/_mikicuccok_$ echo foo |
| 11:04.51 | yeti | foo |
| 11:04.51 | yeti | :P |
| 11:04.52 | jelly | yeti: using a global crontab, I think root should get the mails by default. |
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| 11:06.53 | yeti | Bah, nevermind... I think I'll drop crontab for a while |
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| 11:08.15 | yeti | Thanks for the help |
| 11:08.16 | yeti | Bye |
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| 11:09.23 | tvynr | Question regarding channel policy: if I post a question and get no response, how long should I wait before posting again to avoid being a nuisance? I don't want to spam, but I'm having trouble researching the issue in question and I'm running out of resources to tap. |
| 11:09.45 | streuner | !ask |
| 11:09.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:11.07 | tvynr | streuner: Thanks for that. :) I was just wondering if posting every 15 minutes would be considered rude and if, perhaps, I should give it a full hour or two. |
| 11:11.24 | tvynr | Question, all: how would I go about creating an initramfs for a custom kernel I just cross-compiled for another machine? |
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| 11:13.04 | GmLB | Anyone have a suggestion: I'm looking for a project /solution to encrypt an audio stream and decrypt it (analogue) with opensource/linux software... can anyone point me in the right direction? Basically to create a dedicated encrypted conversation over something like an analogue phone conversation...? |
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| 11:15.27 | tvynr | GmLB: Let me get a better idea of your setup. You have two computers at each endpoint and some sort of system translating the analog audio stream to and from digital behind both computers? So you're already using the network as a transport mechanism? |
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| 11:17.22 | dreamer | ok, so, when I make this quickcam-driver, it needs the kernel source-dir, but this is not in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/build where else can I find it on my system? |
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| 11:17.58 | tvynr | dreamer: Does it just want the kernel headers? There's a Debian package for your kernel headers if you're using a stock kernel. |
| 11:20.19 | cahoot | GmLB: something like this? http://sourceforge.net/projects/speak-freely/ |
| 11:20.44 | dreamer | tvynr: ok, I just upgraded my kernel, so I'm not sure what I should use .. |
| 11:21.04 | tvynr | Are you running a stock kernel? Which kernel package did you install? |
| 11:21.17 | dreamer | 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 11:21.30 | dreamer | I tried 686 before, but it didn't boot :S |
| 11:21.53 | tvynr | So you probably want linux-headers-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 11:22.08 | dreamer | yes I'm already apt-getting :) |
| 11:22.16 | dreamer | but, them ake should pick up on these ? |
| 11:22.21 | dreamer | make* |
| 11:22.21 | streuner | tynr: nope |
| 11:22.37 | tvynr | dreamer: Well, yeah, if it's a nice one. |
| 11:22.46 | streuner | tynr: it have to be the same arch. |
| 11:22.56 | dreamer | tvynr: well, hope it works :) |
| 11:23.36 | tvynr | streuner: Sorry, I didn't understand. |
| 11:24.17 | streuner | tvynr: that's another arch, isn't it? |
| 11:24.47 | GmLB | cahoot: But that encrypts the data digitally, I want to encrypt it and have the audio sound "scambled" so it can be sent over a normal telephone line |
| 11:24.54 | tvynr | streuner: dreamer said that he/she had installed 2.6.18-4-486, so I was listing the corresponding linux-headers package. |
| 11:25.06 | streuner | tvynr: nah, your cross-compiled kernel... |
| 11:25.36 | streuner | <tvynr> Question, all: how would I go about creating an initramfs for a custom kernel I just cross-compiled for another machine? |
| 11:25.36 | wols_ | GmLB: use any VoIP phone app and encrypt it via VPN/SSH? |
| 11:25.53 | radical | opteron, 64bit kernel, 2.6.16.33 (xen 3.0.4) 4gig memory installed 3.9gig displayed by "cat /proc/meminfo". stable install of debian-amd64 install displayed full 4gig. what kernel option am i missing? |
| 11:25.58 | niru | + Trying to add alien... |
| 11:25.58 | niru | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.58 | niru | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.58 | niru | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:26.22 | GmLB | wols_: I want to run over an analogue telephone line... |
| 11:26.37 | tvynr | streuner: I'm on an AMD64 box and I used a toolchain I made using crosstool to compile an i386 Linux kernel. |
| 11:26.38 | GmLB | wols_: I'm trying to develop a little linux device that can plug into a telephone jack |
| 11:26.47 | tarzeau | Azar: hey |
| 11:26.57 | GmLB | wols_: and enable two parties to communicate securely over PSTN lines |
| 11:27.02 | wols_ | GmLB: not with computers. unless you use modems in which case you still can use VPN/SSH |
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| 11:27.27 | tvynr | streuner: I used make-kpkg to package the kernel and now I'd like an initramfs to go along with it. But I don't know how to build one. |
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| 11:27.39 | GmLB | wols_: yeah, but would modems work over even like a shitty cell connection |
| 11:27.44 | wols_ | tvynr: isn't there a ..initrd option? |
| 11:28.05 | wols_ | GmLB: not enough bandwith for VoIP afaik |
| 11:28.15 | jelly | GmLB: cells can do 9600bps |
| 11:28.17 | wols_ | depends a bit on the codec used of course |
| 11:28.43 | wols_ | jelly: shitty cell connections? and 9600 is awfull tight |
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| 11:28.56 | wols_ | tydelNL: --initrd |
| 11:29.00 | tvynr | wols_: There is, but I've been having trouble making it dance for me. It doesn't seem to actually produce an initrd file anywhere. |
| 11:29.02 | wols_ | oh well ./ |
| 11:29.19 | wols_ | tydelNL: you checked inside the deb? |
| 11:29.22 | GmLB | wols_: Right, so i'm looking for something that can operate on the analogue audio, some kind of scrambler. I'll capture sound from the mic, scramble it, and send it, other computer listens and decrypts |
| 11:29.28 | GmLB | wols_: Or would nothing like that be possible? |
| 11:29.40 | wols_ | GmLB: imho: no |
| 11:29.46 | jelly | GmLB: of course it's possible |
| 11:29.55 | tvynr | wols_: You know, that was just occurring to me. I'll take a look. Btw, you're coming out as saying "tydelNL" on my end; not sure why. Assuming you're addressing me, anyway. :) |
| 11:30.00 | GmLB | jelly: What's already out there, where can I start looking? |
| 11:30.03 | tvynr | wols_: Thanks for that; I'll take a look. |
| 11:30.08 | GmLB | jelly: Is there something that can do the scramble/unscramble? |
| 11:30.11 | wols_ | at least not in a secure way. and no matter what: you'd have to digitalize it |
| 11:30.22 | wols_ | so better usi a digitizer that's made for it: modems |
| 11:30.53 | GmLB | wols_: But i can't get enough bandwith outa a cell call |
| 11:30.57 | jelly | GmLB: some guys from my uni have done a 1:2^64 strong device a few years ago, lemme see if I can look it up |
| 11:31.21 | GmLB | jelly: Thanks, mate. |
| 11:31.38 | wols_ | jelly: over a bad cell connection? |
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| 11:32.59 | jelly | wols_: nope, over POTS |
| 11:34.48 | jelly | GmLB: I can't find it, will have to contact the professor... you wanted something like this? http://www.pimall.com/nais/telephonescrambler.html |
| 11:35.27 | GmLB | jelly: Exactly |
| 11:36.54 | dreamer | hmm, I'm installing motion atm (using the .deb on sourcefocge), but the package depends on libmysqlclient14 this should be in sarge, but I can't apt-get it |
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| 11:37.59 | dreamer | what source do I need to add to my sources.list ? |
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| 11:39.13 | GmLB | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.20 | GmLB | jelly: Thanks for the thoughts |
| 11:39.24 | dreamer | ox, found a .deb |
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| 11:46.58 | mikes1 | Where can I d/load RC2 from? |
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| 11:47.15 | streuner | !d-i mikes1 |
| 11:47.15 | dpkg | mikes1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:47.46 | mikes1 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is not happening? |
| 11:47.53 | wols_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/ |
| 11:48.31 | mikes1 | Thanks guys |
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| 11:50.30 | streuner | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ links to RC2, of course. |
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| 11:52.45 | streuner | mikes1: you're welcome. |
| 11:53.49 | mikes1 | streuner: running etch at the mo,,Just wanted to try kde default release |
| 11:54.14 | streuner | you don't need to use a new d-i then |
| 11:54.48 | streuner | Don't waste bandwidth :-) |
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| 11:55.14 | mikes1 | ok |
| 11:55.18 | streuner | KDE is in the mirrors, no matter what kind of installer you use... |
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| 11:56.02 | mikes1 | streuner: Gnome still default on "disc 1"? |
| 11:57.22 | streuner | RC2 effects the d-i itselfs, i don't think we changed the packages on each CD/DVD |
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| 11:57.52 | mikes1 | ok |
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| 12:02.11 | Bracki | How can i easily search the mailing lists on alioth? |
| 12:02.15 | Bracki | !alioth |
| 12:02.15 | dpkg | from memory, alioth is http://alioth.debian.org, or debian's sourceforge server. see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303/msg00024.html, or irc://irc.oftc.net/#alioth |
| 12:02.36 | Delgul | Hi... can i remount a drive and adapt the filesystem from ext3 to ext2 without downtime? |
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| 12:03.04 | Delgul | tried mount -o remount <device> but this only changes mount options... |
| 12:03.07 | c00lfon | Delgul, mount -o remount. |
| 12:03.13 | c00lfon | Maybe -t ext2? ;) |
| 12:03.14 | Delgul | see above :-) |
| 12:03.22 | c00lfon | You can mount ext3 as ext2, afair. |
| 12:03.51 | tvynr | wols_: Thanks for the help. The initrd wasn't being generated because I was giving it a bogus mkimage command. It's now being properly constructed, but only by the installer script in the .deb. |
| 12:04.02 | Delgul | I will try with the -t option... |
| 12:04.15 | tvynr | c00lfon: You are indeed correct. Although before doing so, one should run a fsck.ext2 on the filesystem. |
| 12:04.26 | HostilePenguin | if i leave my server running at night and check it and see that hd is running pretty good i check top it says user nobody command find waht the hell is that? |
| 12:04.53 | tvynr | HostilePenguin: It's probably a cron job running the find command. |
| 12:05.05 | HostilePenguin | ty |
| 12:05.13 | tvynr | HostilePenguin: Try running "ps fax" and finding out what process started the find command to locate the culprit. |
| 12:06.03 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: updatedb for your locate database |
| 12:06.26 | wols_ | it should run shortly after 6am IIRC |
| 12:06.41 | phreqmod | Delgul, I don't think you can change the fs type without unmounting. yu can however disable the ext3 journal with -o remount,noload, and it will be like ext2 I think... |
| 12:06.51 | tvynr | Query, all: How can I configure a user account to be privileged enough to essentially create its own chroots without having permissions enough to do everything root can do? I'm trying to set up an environment using debootstrap and fakeroot as a normal user but when I fakechroot into it, I don't have sufficient permissions to open raw network sockets and the like. |
| 12:06.52 | HostilePenguin | ok |
| 12:07.26 | Delgul | thanks i will try that... |
| 12:08.22 | phreqmod | tvynr, general answer would be to use sudo; maybe something more specific can be done for your situation playing with groups and perms but I'm not familiar with it |
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| 12:10.00 | tvynr | phreqmod: Well, it was my general hope to have extremely minimal permissions. If I use sudo to chroot, then I'm actually root when I'm inside of the environment. I was hoping for something similar to fakeroot (where the library wrapper claims I'm root when I'm not) that would allow me to ping and apt-get. |
| 12:10.04 | ShredZ | Is it a good idea to prelink debian etch ? |
| 12:10.05 | tvynr | phreqmod: Thanks for the response, though. |
| 12:10.32 | wols_ | !gentoosmite ShredZ |
| 12:10.50 | phreqmod | tvynr, yes, I see what you mean... by the detail of your question I should've assumed you know sudo and had already ruled it out. |
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| 12:11.01 | ShredZ | wols_, self-compiling is 1 thing, prelinking is another beast |
| 12:11.29 | ShredZ | I just want firefox to start up "a lot" faster |
| 12:11.38 | FlopsyPete | if I just want to run .net apps from a Windows system, do I install 'mono' or 'mono-runtime' or something else? |
| 12:11.49 | tarzeau | ShredZ: forget it |
| 12:11.59 | tvynr | phreqmod: Hehe... not necessarily. I've done stupider things before. ;) The problem at hand is that I'm trying to create a LiveCD without having root permissions on the machine on which I'm creating it. |
| 12:12.01 | tarzeau | ShredZ: but have you tried links2 -g ? |
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| 12:12.26 | ShredZ | tarzeau, what's that do ? (or point me towards something url-ish) |
| 12:12.38 | tarzeau | ShredZ: it's a browser that starts a lot faster |
| 12:12.41 | ShredZ | tarzeau, apt doesn't handle prelinked files too well ? |
| 12:12.54 | phreqmod | tvynr, have you looked at schroot ? |
| 12:12.57 | tarzeau | ShredZ: i've got no idea about prelinking |
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| 12:13.21 | ShredZ | gentoosmite me all you guys want, but my gentoo system does start stuff a lot faster (they run at same speed once started though :)) |
| 12:14.25 | tvynr | phreqmod: Yeah. I'm on an AMD64 system and schroot is how I make a browser with the Java plugin happen. :) Only problem is that the root in question is still root-owned (even if the shell you get under the chroot isn't), meaning that I can't then tarball the contents. |
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| 12:15.30 | tvynr | phreqmod: My packaging system is thus: I run fakeroot -i statefile -o statefile, go to the directory containing the "root", and tarball it so that the tarball contains the proper permissions. I can create the root in a similar way and even chroot into it. But my user account doesn't have permissions to do certain things (like open a raw socket), so I can't actually use the root. |
| 12:15.44 | tvynr | phreqmod: It's an unusual and tricky problem, I admit. :) |
| 12:15.47 | aredhel | FlopsyPete, mono-runtime should be what you want. But installing both is fine. |
| 12:15.59 | FlopsyPete | aredhel: thanks |
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| 12:17.21 | phreqmod | tvynr, ehe, indeed. There is little I can say to help you unfortunatly, you have a better grasp of the problem than me. I was just throwing some stuff around in the off chance you were less, er, technical :) |
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| 12:19.36 | redduck666 | 13:18:33 [Jaxx[18f](n=SeMra__@88.242.194.234)] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 12:19.43 | tvynr | phreqmod: And you never know; I might've gotten it that way. I've gotten a lot of suggestions to just build everything inside of a userspace VM, but that won't work since I'm trying to automate certain processes (ex: build kernel deb, copy to chroot, chroot in, install deb so it builds initramfs image, log out, copy initramfs to CD root, build ISO). |
| 12:19.49 | redduck666 | this is what i got when i joined #debian :/ |
| 12:19.51 | tvynr | phreqmod: But thanks muchly for trying. :) |
| 12:20.06 | redduck666 | !ops |
| 12:20.06 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 12:20.12 | redduck666 | !ops spam |
| 12:20.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: redduck666 complains about: spam |
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| 12:20.36 | GiabboO | hi all |
| 12:20.47 | Ronin | redduck666: need to be specific |
| 12:20.52 | GiabboO | I am having problems installing Debian Netinst |
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| 12:21.05 | GiabboO | the kernel doesnt recognize my sata harddisk |
| 12:21.14 | redduck666 | Ronin: 13:18:33 [Jaxx[18f](n=SeMra__@88.242.194.234)] <censored> Free Porno Videos <-- what more specific than this you want? |
| 12:21.22 | Ronin | redduck666: in teh ops command |
| 12:21.24 | vano | Hi. Is there a way to resize an active (with /) ext3 fs? thanks! |
| 12:21.24 | wols_ | GiabboO: what sata controller and what version of debian? |
| 12:21.28 | wols_ | and what kernel do you boot |
| 12:21.40 | GiabboO | netinst 3.1r4 |
| 12:21.41 | Ronin | !ops Jaxx[18f] is doing onjoin porn spam |
| 12:21.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ronin complains about: Jaxx[18f] is doing onjoin porn spam |
| 12:21.42 | DocPlatypus | vano: parted will do it |
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| 12:21.49 | GiabboO | wols_, linux26 |
| 12:21.51 | redduck666 | Ronin: thanks |
| 12:22.09 | GiabboO | wols_, its an ATI serial Ata controller |
| 12:22.10 | vano | DocPlatypus: Thanks! |
| 12:22.12 | Ronin | course that assumes the @'s are awake yet :) |
| 12:22.22 | wols_ | GiabboO: either use etch or a kmuto kernel |
| 12:22.23 | DocPlatypus | vano: obviously it can't be mounted when you resize. |
| 12:22.28 | wols_ | !tell GiabboO about d-i |
| 12:22.35 | wols_ | !tell GiabboO about kmuto |
| 12:22.53 | phreqmod | More specific.... what type of porn? Bestiality? Threesome? The ops need the full info to be able to take actions... |
| 12:23.05 | vano | DocPlatypus: Ok... I was wondering whether it was possible while it is mounted... anyhow, do you know by anychance whether it will work with RAID? or do I have to resize both RAID partitions? |
| 12:23.07 | Ronin | phreqmod: heh |
| 12:23.14 | Ronin | phreqmod: and is it good porn too |
| 12:23.18 | DocPlatypus | vano: that I don't know |
| 12:23.22 | DocPlatypus | I've never really used RAID |
| 12:23.26 | phreqmod | Ehehee, damn, now I'm curious |
| 12:23.27 | vano | DocPlatypus ok thanks :) |
| 12:23.28 | GiabboO | thanks wols_, there is a businesscard iso there ? |
| 12:23.36 | redduck666 | phreqmod: http://www.videoturk.tr.gs <-- it gives me link to this site |
| 12:23.41 | wols_ | vano: certainly not while mounted rw. possibly while mounted ro, but unlikely |
| 12:23.52 | phreqmod | redduck666, thanks, I'll take a look for the good of the community. |
| 12:23.57 | wols_ | GiabboO: yes there is (for etch at least) |
| 12:24.20 | vano | wols_ ok ! |
| 12:24.22 | phreqmod | WhenI'm at home, my boss wouldn't understand my efforts in the name of free software :( |
| 12:24.30 | Ronin | phreqmod: we appreciate you taking one for the team and letting us know if its worth looking at :) |
| 12:24.39 | phreqmod | Ronin, will do |
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| 12:24.58 | DocPlatypus | wols_: even doing it while mounted ro is begging for a kernel panic |
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| 12:25.51 | wols_ | DocPlatypus: chances are it simply won't all ow. and: you can delete a binary after you loaded it in RAM. linux won't lock binary files it executes |
| 12:26.28 | DocPlatypus | wols_: but the kernel will not like it when filesystem structures get totally screwed with out from under it |
| 12:26.35 | redduck666 | if you would roll out a production machine, what would you pick? etch with 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:26.57 | wols_ | redduck666: depends on the kind of production I guess |
| 12:26.58 | DocPlatypus | redduck666: etch is close enough to release that I would feel comfortable deploying it right now depending on exactly what it needs to do |
| 12:27.16 | wols_ | the downside to sarge is, in 1-2 months, it's oldstable :( |
| 12:27.17 | DocPlatypus | this desktop PC is a "production" computer in that it's how I get on the net |
| 12:27.35 | phreqmod | Yes, me too... for a LAMP server or something I would at this stage probably pick etch... |
| 12:27.47 | HostilePenguin | production pc etch workstation sarge |
| 12:27.49 | DocPlatypus | for server or high security applications I tend to prefer OpenBSD anyway |
| 12:27.54 | DocPlatypus | phreqmod: GLAMP, not LAMP |
| 12:27.55 | wols_ | so better deal with possible etch problems now on setup time than have another potential problem bump in half a year at most |
| 12:27.56 | graytron | oldstable is good |
| 12:28.11 | phreqmod | DocPlatypus, true, I stand corrected |
| 12:28.27 | redduck666 | wols_: production as in full blow webserver, apache, lighttpd, php, django, mysql, pgsql, svn, tra, postfix and probably some other things as well |
| 12:28.47 | wols_ | personally I'd go etch |
| 12:29.17 | wols_ | but very careful with any security holes the next few months until etch security takes over |
| 12:29.32 | wols_ | and looking at any and all bugs for those packages in bts right now |
| 12:29.43 | wols_ | to assess if there are updates in the queue |
| 12:29.57 | graytron | wols_: thats a huge task |
| 12:30.15 | GiabboO | wols_, how do I check wich version of kmuto images is the best for my needs ? |
| 12:30.26 | wols_ | GiabboO: take the lastest (imho) |
| 12:30.42 | wols_ | graytron: he said production server |
| 12:31.05 | GiabboO | wols_, I see a sarge-custom-0304.iso |
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| 12:31.15 | phreqmod | wols_, ehe, I think you overestimate the time most admins dedicate to production servers |
| 12:31.20 | graytron | wols_: possibly still |
| 12:31.31 | scanf | is it moo time? |
| 12:31.45 | phreqmod | Or, more honestly, are able to dedicate if all of them require hand holding. |
| 12:31.47 | wols_ | phreqmod: then they shouldn't whine for stable OSes but install sid |
| 12:32.04 | wols_ | phreqmod: standardization is a godsend |
| 12:32.16 | wols_ | there is a reason why IT departments like standardization |
| 12:32.41 | phreqmod | wols_, well, maybe install stable... Even etch with a daily update, monitored to prevent it from removing half the system if something goes wrong, is perhaps enough for most people security-wise |
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| 12:33.36 | phreqmod | wols_, but you're right on being careful in this period before etch turning stable |
| 12:33.54 | wols_ | phreqmod: for his problem, he either can do the audit now with etch all in one go, or he has an OS upgrade already scheduled in the next few months |
| 12:34.02 | wols_ | imho, the audit right now is the better option |
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| 12:34.50 | wols_ | especially with a new server most probably using new hardware which means he probably can't install pure sarge anyways |
| 12:34.56 | scv | ignore |
| 12:35.05 | scv | sorry, typo |
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| 12:35.16 | GiabboO | wols_, whats the content of the boot.img.gz? What I do with it ? |
| 12:35.42 | wols_ | GiabboO: you burn an iso and that's all you need |
| 12:35.54 | GiabboO | wols_, ok im getting the iso :) |
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| 12:36.03 | GiabboO | i just was curious about those img.gz |
| 12:36.21 | HostilePenguin | killed the cat |
| 12:36.25 | scanf | is it moo time YET? |
| 12:36.48 | wols_ | GiabboO: btw you shoudld _read_ what's written there. it clearly says "UBS media" |
| 12:36.57 | wols_ | !moo |
| 12:36.57 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 12:37.03 | wols_ | it's always time for a good moo |
| 12:37.15 | scanf | LOL |
| 12:37.39 | GiabboO | lol |
| 12:37.49 | GiabboO | lol |
| 12:37.54 | wols_ | !lol |
| 12:37.55 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:38.02 | GiabboO | mueheh |
| 12:38.12 | GiabboO | wols_, european ? |
| 12:38.24 | scanf | lol |
| 12:38.30 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:38.36 | scanf | !aol |
| 12:38.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, aol is for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 12:38.45 | bykte | lol |
| 12:38.46 | scanf | lol |
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| 12:39.17 | GiabboO | dpkg know lot of stuff |
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| 12:39.35 | scanf | yeah dpkg smart |
| 12:39.41 | scanf | !vista |
| 12:39.41 | dpkg | somebody said vista was an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
| 12:39.52 | scanf | lol |
| 12:39.56 | wols_ | !botabuse |
| 12:39.56 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 12:40.02 | GiabboO | !4,8,15,16,23,42 |
| 12:40.03 | GiabboO | lol |
| 12:40.21 | c00lfon | !lol |
| 12:40.21 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:40.21 | c00lfon | ;d |
| 12:40.34 | GiabboO | ahaha |
| 12:40.39 | GiabboO | AOL users sucks ? |
| 12:41.01 | c00lfon | Like Telecom-Italia and Neostrada-TP users. ;d |
| 12:41.10 | wols_ | no. botabusers suck |
| 12:41.10 | GiabboO | i find in my netgear router that there was an *hided* policy to open AOL ports |
| 12:43.25 | GiabboO | ahah |
| 12:43.25 | scanf | like Deutche Telekom |
| 12:43.25 | diskus | aol ports? |
| 12:43.25 | GiabboO | too bad I am more a Tiscali user than telecom italia |
| 12:43.25 | GiabboO | yes diskus |
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| 12:43.26 | zamuro | Nothing sucks more than CANTV in Venezuela, kiddos... |
| 12:43.26 | redduck666 | GiabboO: tiscali is the isp that provides you nat instead of internet access with external ip? |
| 12:43.26 | zamuro | So, This competition has a winner already :P |
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| 12:43.27 | c00lfon | *.it sucks. ;P |
| 12:43.27 | GiabboO | lol redduck666, you can get IPs pool from Tiscali |
| 12:43.27 | diskus | *.it mostly means that people come looking for girls :P |
| 12:43.28 | c00lfon | :D |
| 12:43.28 | scanf | !girls |
| 12:43.28 | dpkg | what runs the pool system and testing and various other parts of the debian distribution. read about them at http://cvs.debian.org/dak/docs/README.names?rev=1.22&cvsroot=dak&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 12:43.28 | GiabboO | polish girls are my favorite |
| 12:43.29 | GiabboO | :) |
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| 12:43.30 | wols_ | redduck666: they throttle or block p2p protocols. that's about all I remember what they do |
| 12:43.31 | GiabboO | wols_, that was fake |
| 12:43.31 | GiabboO | c00lfon, got it :P |
| 12:43.34 | c00lfon | <: |
| 12:43.41 | GiabboO | c00lfon, i had 2 gf from there |
| 12:43.51 | GiabboO | c00lfon, btw lot of cybersex with polish girls |
| 12:43.55 | GiabboO | \0/ |
| 12:44.07 | c00lfon | ];-> |
| 12:44.20 | GiabboO | !boot |
| 12:44.24 | GiabboO | :| |
| 12:44.34 | GiabboO | dpkg are u there ? lol |
| 12:44.46 | scanf | !status |
| 12:44.46 | dpkg | Since Tue Mar 20 11:05:04 2007, there have been 0 modifications, 18 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 6 commands. I have been awake for 1h 39m 42s this session, and currently reference 37211 factoids. I'm using about 13600 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 8.53/0.47 child 0/0 |
| 12:44.52 | GiabboO | :) |
| 12:44.56 | wols_ | GiabboO, scanf: can you please stop the bot bugging? |
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| 12:45.05 | GiabboO | wols_, ok |
| 12:45.10 | wols_ | if you want to do it, use msg |
| 12:45.10 | scanf | okok |
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| 12:47.08 | GiabboO | pff all this stuff to get a linux debian working as a windows terminal server... |
| 12:47.29 | GiabboO | *terminal client |
| 12:47.35 | petemc | apt-get install rdesktop |
| 12:47.42 | GiabboO | lol |
| 12:47.48 | GiabboO | petemc, I know |
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| 12:47.57 | petemc | thats hard work? |
| 12:48.09 | scanf | GiabboO: I am running sarge stable and have had absolutely no issues with rdesktop, even over VPN |
| 12:48.17 | GiabboO | I heard is not working good with RDP 5.1 |
| 12:48.42 | scanf | what's that? is that Vista or something? |
| 12:48.47 | GiabboO | well ive to try it... if my debian installation will recognize my sata drives :P |
| 12:48.52 | GiabboO | Win 2k3 |
| 12:49.04 | jelly | petemc: um, rdesktop is a client, not a server |
| 12:49.13 | scanf | jelly: he knos |
| 12:49.19 | GiabboO | jelly, yes |
| 12:49.21 | petemc | jelly: thanks for the pointer! |
| 12:49.22 | jelly | <GiabboO> pff all this stuff to get a linux debian working as a windows terminal server... |
| 12:49.27 | petemc | read on... |
| 12:49.27 | GiabboO | <GiabboO> *terminal client |
| 12:49.28 | GiabboO | lol |
| 12:49.33 | jelly | oh |
| 12:49.43 | GiabboO | ahah |
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| 12:50.14 | GiabboO | kmuto iso = 83% done |
| 12:51.27 | HostilePenguin | why wont debian reconize sata? |
| 12:51.37 | Ronin | it does |
| 12:51.43 | petemc | HostilePenguin: thats a kernel thing |
| 12:52.21 | GiabboO | Ronin, HostilePenguin, Ive tried Debian Netinst 3.1r4 and seems it doesnt recognize my ATI controller |
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| 12:52.32 | HostilePenguin | just asking giabboo why would it be an issue? |
| 12:52.34 | GiabboO | Im tryin to get debian working on a ASUS P1-PH1 |
| 12:52.41 | cydork | GiabboO: with 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:52.41 | petemc | as you already know, you need a more recent kernel |
| 12:52.46 | GiabboO | yes with linux26 |
| 12:53.15 | cydork | GiabboO: then like petemc said you need a recent kernel. :) |
| 12:53.22 | GiabboO | :) |
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| 12:53.52 | Ind[y] | Can I just partition my disk, copy the filesystem on my hard drive, take the linux kernel, copy it on my hard drive, install a bootloader, and have my Linux system? (no distribution) |
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| 12:54.21 | zamuro | Ind[y]: Don't think so... |
| 12:54.25 | GiabboO | we will know in few minutes |
| 12:54.29 | Ind[y] | zamuro: Why not? |
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| 12:55.02 | GiabboO | Ind[y], when you mean kernel you mean /lib/modules too ? |
| 12:55.13 | wols_ | Ind[y]: you miss little things like init, libc, and other niceties |
| 12:55.23 | tvynr | Is fakeroot's state file threadsafe? That is, can I run multiple instances of fakeroot against the same statefile without fouling things up? |
| 12:55.24 | cydork | Ind[y]: yes you can but it's bit overkill! google for lfs.. |
| 12:55.32 | GiabboO | lol cydork |
| 12:55.32 | zamuro | Ind[y]: Unless you copy from two hard drives for the exact same box, that won't work. And even if it's the same box, I'm not quite sure it will anyway. |
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| 12:55.45 | wols_ | Ind[y]: it's asking like "I copy ntoskrnl386" to my disk, can I now run HalfLife2? |
| 12:55.46 | cydork | Ind[y]: there is debian from scratch too! |
| 12:56.03 | wols_ | zamuro: it will work since he said "install bootloader" |
| 12:56.14 | Ind[y] | I will take them, (when saying the filesystem, I also mean the neccessary files and stuff) |
| 12:56.33 | zamuro | wols_: Will it work without glibc and stuff like that? |
| 12:56.42 | wols_ | Ind[y]: of course you can. but a distro makes the managing a lot easier |
| 12:56.48 | Ind[y] | wols_: sure |
| 12:56.52 | wols_ | zamuro: no, as I wrote. but linux kernel _will_ boot |
| 12:57.05 | zamuro | hahahahahaha OK |
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| 12:57.12 | Ind[y] | what is glibc? |
| 12:57.15 | wols_ | Ind[y]: e.g. updates will be a bitch. and if you want such a setup, LFS has already been mentioned |
| 12:57.26 | Ind[y] | wols_: I know |
| 12:57.27 | wols_ | Ind[y]: the part between apps and the kernel |
| 12:57.28 | zamuro | !glibc |
| 12:57.29 | dpkg | glibc is, like, at http://www.imaxx.net/~thrytis/glibc/index.old.html. GNU libc, also known as libc6 in the Linux universe. |
| 12:57.42 | Ind[y] | ok. thank you guys. |
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| 12:57.52 | cydork | Ind[y]: if you just want to try it for fun sake try DFS atleast you will have debian. |
| 12:57.56 | cydork | bahh too late! |
| 12:58.18 | wols_ | DFS sounds like a good project for my P2 lappie |
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| 12:58.48 | cydork | wols_: :) |
| 12:59.19 | redduck666 | wols_: only -O3? i've done -O7 in past, you can probably do even better :) |
| 12:59.42 | GiabboO | wols_, thanks you for the tip, seems working pretty fine now :) |
| 12:59.55 | wols_ | redduck666: diminishing returns, in fact it can make it worse |
| 13:00.09 | scanf | I was going to ask the same thing |
| 13:00.22 | scanf | in fact, a lot of code is content with O2 |
| 13:00.50 | wols_ | compiling for -686 instead of -486 might help a bit tho |
| 13:01.07 | cydork | !gentoosmite wols_ |
| 13:01.26 | wols_ | wohoo! 0,8%! |
| 13:01.34 | wols_ | I might be able to watch movies on it after all! |
| 13:01.36 | scanf | is that botabuse too? |
| 13:01.46 | scanf | :)) |
| 13:02.00 | cydork | scanf: he asked for it! :P |
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| 13:02.27 | wols_ | cydork: have you ever browsed the web with mozilla on a P2 300? |
| 13:02.50 | cydork | wols_: strangly yes! |
| 13:03.08 | wols_ | it's torture, pure torture. the waits! |
| 13:03.23 | cydork | wols_: link2 -g ;) |
| 13:03.27 | scanf | Is that like mozilla 1.5 on AIX 4.3 over an old RISC 300? |
| 13:03.36 | wols_ | links sucks |
| 13:03.54 | cydork | wols_: but but... .. |
| 13:04.09 | cydork | wols_: atleast there is no waiting :) |
| 13:04.11 | wols_ | if I want lean I use dillo, not links |
| 13:04.28 | wols_ | but there is also no tabs, no adblock, etc |
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| 13:04.52 | wols_ | and the lack of adblock alone makes it slower again on today's web |
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| 13:06.02 | cydork | true! |
| 13:06.37 | enouf | links2 ftw :-P |
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| 13:07.03 | enouf | supports javashit and https .. dillo doesn't |
| 13:09.00 | enouf | i couldn't agree more about browsing using any moz based browser on a p2 .. i've done it .. it's worse than an old broken dialup conn , ouch |
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| 13:10.27 | stab_ | hi. i was hoping someone knew how to remove the debian 'disclaimer' when logging in to a shell or is it not possible |
| 13:10.41 | redduck666 | stab_: /etc/motd? |
| 13:10.57 | stab_ | redduck666: sorry and thankyou |
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| 13:20.14 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 13:20.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd134 is -!- tech9iner has left #debian ["FedoraCore and CentOS.. HOW CAN A POOR SMB SOHO LOSE with this winning combo! ;];]"] |
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| 13:22.03 | rikva|laptop | I want to create a backup user who can login via FTP and has *only* read access, everywhere. Is this possible, and if yes, how can I realize it? |
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| 13:22.49 | wols_ | rikva|laptop: use a ftp server which only allows read access for that user |
| 13:23.46 | rikva|laptop | wols_: I can't find a feature in ProFTPD, PureFTPD or VSFTPD where I can create users, they use the system users. |
| 13:24.00 | redduck666 | !ftp |
| 13:24.00 | dpkg | from memory, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 13:24.23 | suppaman | hello |
| 13:24.27 | redduck666 | rikva|laptop: how about rsync? |
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| 13:25.10 | rikva|laptop | redduck666: sorry, no option |
| 13:25.16 | redduck666 | rikva|laptop: why? |
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| 13:26.58 | rikva|laptop | redduck666: I'm using a whole different backup system |
| 13:28.06 | rikva|laptop | So i'ts not possible to create a unix user who has permission to certain directories? |
| 13:28.11 | redduck666 | rikva|laptop: i can't think of any half way decent way to do *full* backup with ftp :/ |
| 13:28.55 | abrotman | rikva|laptop: rsync is probably the best way to go .. |
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| 13:29.34 | rikva|laptop | it will be a mail backup, and the mailserver is inside the DMZ, so the central windows fileserver should pull files from it |
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| 13:32.04 | liable | can wds bridgind be done with wpa psk or not?? |
| 13:32.05 | liable | bridging* |
| 13:33.45 | liable | i need to sacrifice someone i think before the wds gods are happy and let me get this working |
| 13:34.55 | abrotman | of course .. bonus points are awarded for knowing what wds is |
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| 13:35.21 | liable | wireless distribution system |
| 13:35.32 | liable | wireless repeater basically |
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| 13:36.19 | Thms | where is nvidia-kernel-source package ? |
| 13:37.10 | abrotman | non-free |
| 13:37.15 | Thms | abrotman, okay thanks |
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| 13:37.28 | enouf | rainabba_: btw .. in case you miss it, the sdl stuff is in the xen-ioemu- stuff as waldi told you, and I think as jetscreamer eluded to last night (it's a dependency) see http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/xen-ioemu-3.0.3-1 |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | alluded ? |
| 13:37.56 | enouf | nope ;-) |
| 13:38.08 | abrotman | eluded means escaped .. roughly |
| 13:38.16 | abrotman | enouf: don't you live in NYC? |
| 13:38.22 | enouf | bah .. you're right .. bastage |
| 13:38.37 | enouf | !grammar smite me |
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| 13:39.55 | enouf | abrotman: my brain is fried a bit .. can you tell? |
| 13:39.59 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> /msg dpkg 3.1r5 | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Test etch d-i http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:40.00 | enouf | stew ? |
| 13:40.05 | enouf | oh .. hehe |
| 13:40.14 | stew | diff: removed DPL Debate / dst change |
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| 13:40.32 | MrWup | hey guys |
| 13:40.37 | stew | enouf: good morning |
| 13:40.41 | MrWup | i just downloaded the install and download for debian |
| 13:40.44 | MrWup | booted up my server |
| 13:40.48 | MrWup | booted into debian |
| 13:40.49 | enouf | stew: mornin' to you too .. |
| 13:40.51 | MrWup | pressed enter to tell it to boot |
| 13:40.57 | MrWup | got to the select language window |
| 13:40.59 | wols_ | !tell MrWup about enter |
| 13:41.06 | MrWup | and when i try and use up or down arrow to select lang it does nothing |
| 13:41.09 | MrWup | u cant select lang |
| 13:41.24 | MrWup | eventually the serverjust beeps at u when upress any key |
| 13:41.25 | abrotman | USB keyboard ? |
| 13:41.42 | MrWup | nope |
| 13:41.47 | MrWup | normal type |
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| 13:43.09 | MrWup | just tried two diff keyboards now |
| 13:43.10 | MrWup | same thing |
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| 13:43.56 | enouf | MrWup: which exact d/l did you get? .. a daily? CD?, netinstaller? |
| 13:44.03 | redduck666 | MrWup: select default language and deal with it later? |
| 13:44.18 | MrWup | i cant select anything |
| 13:44.23 | MrWup | i got a screen with select language |
| 13:44.25 | MrWup | it shows a list |
| 13:44.29 | MrWup | its selected to english |
| 13:44.36 | enouf | MrWup: did you run an md5sum check prior to burning? how about after? |
| 13:44.39 | MrWup | when i press enter nothing happens. |
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| 13:44.52 | MrWup | nope, didnt do a checksum |
| 13:45.13 | MrWup | enouf net installer |
| 13:45.21 | cyzie | http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/murdockint.html |
| 13:45.21 | lunitik | MrWup: the keyboards work on other systems? I've never seen a functional ps/2 keyboard just not work w/ linux |
| 13:45.32 | enouf | MrWup: also try and boot using the 'expert' option .. see the F1-10 keys |
| 13:46.02 | MrWup | yeah i tried two keyboards now |
| 13:46.06 | enouf | MrWup: yeah .. but which date? .. beta3, rc1? what? |
| 13:46.08 | MrWup | both work on other windows systems |
| 13:46.10 | MrWup | normal ps2 kb |
| 13:46.15 | MrWup | let me check |
| 13:46.44 | enouf | did he ever even say which release? |
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| 13:47.18 | aidehua | I need a new Indiana Jones based hostname: any ideas, please /msg me |
| 13:47.42 | MrWup | r5 |
| 13:47.50 | MrWup | oh wait |
| 13:47.50 | enouf | rolling boulder |
| 13:47.51 | MrWup | hang on |
| 13:48.02 | aidehua | rolling-boulder> I already have "rolling-rock" :/ |
| 13:48.17 | enouf | boulderdash |
| 13:48.30 | aidehua | Hint: this is a syslog gathering host. |
| 13:48.40 | aidehua | (Which may influence the name in witty ways :) |
| 13:48.43 | dimir | "keep rolling rolling rolling rollgin!" |
| 13:48.51 | dimir | (not s/ro/tro/) |
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| 13:49.11 | enouf | i-hate-snakes |
| 13:49.21 | tarzeau | !snake |
| 13:49.21 | dpkg | i heard snake is sticky, creepy, or whispers. See also sco. OOH it's a snaaakee! |
| 13:49.24 | aidehua | enouf: "ihaterats" is already taken. |
| 13:49.32 | aidehua | Maybe I should list all my current hosts :) |
| 13:49.41 | enouf | chilled-monkeybrains |
| 13:49.43 | DocPlatypus | we've gotta get these @#$%^&* snakes off this @#$%^&* plane |
| 13:50.09 | MrWup | debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:50.55 | enouf | MrWup: ok .. did you get a daily image? .. check your md5sum .. make sure your burn is good (and your blank media doesn't suck) |
| 13:51.16 | aidehua | "ihaterats", "snake-infested-pit", "younamedmeafterthedog", "rolling-rock", "three-hot-rocks", "ark", "dodgy-blue-screen" (a reference to the zeppelin scene, and to the flakiness of the box). |
| 13:51.32 | aidehua | younamedmeafterthedog prompted much discussion about tab-completion and ~/.ssh/config |
| 13:51.49 | MrWup | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:51.52 | enouf | MrWup: does the server work fine already? .. are the RAM sticks seated tightly? if you haven't already used the server, check all the hardware connections |
| 13:51.54 | MrWup | i downloaded this |
| 13:52.19 | MrWup | as soon as it arrived i checked all the innards |
| 13:52.26 | MrWup | thing is |
| 13:52.34 | MrWup | the keyboard works at all other times |
| 13:52.41 | MrWup | like select boot options from the server's boot menu |
| 13:52.47 | aidehua | Aha! /me opts for "temple" |
| 13:52.53 | MrWup | and then pressing enter when debian screen comes up to ask if i want help or boot |
| 13:53.02 | MrWup | then as soon as i get to lang page it sits there like a pudding |
| 13:53.04 | aidehua | enouf: "chilled-monkeybrains" is too cool for a syslog collector; and "temple" seemed more appropriate :) |
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| 13:54.08 | MrWup | HP proliant intel server |
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| 13:54.35 | abrotman | tried the other kernel ? |
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| 13:56.05 | MrWup | in fact i can even navigate through the debian help menu |
| 13:56.13 | MrWup | after pressing f1 for help instead of enter for boot |
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| 13:56.24 | MrWup | but no luck when i try to select language. still sits there. |
| 13:56.33 | MrWup | done a checksum on the download. it matches |
| 13:56.52 | wols_ | MrWup: ctrl+alt+f2 working at the lang selection? |
| 13:57.01 | wols_ | do the keyboard LEDs work? |
| 13:57.21 | MrWup | leds working |
| 13:57.22 | MrWup | sec |
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| 13:57.59 | MrWup | ctrl alt f2 no work |
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| 13:59.06 | enouf | MrWup: aidehua had phone call .. anyways |
| 13:59.16 | abrotman | MrWup: sarge installer ? |
| 13:59.18 | wols_ | tried the 2.4 kernel as abrotman suggested? |
| 13:59.25 | abrotman | MrWup: wait .. how old is it ? |
| 13:59.38 | jetscreamer | alluded |
| 13:59.43 | MrWup | downloaded the installer today |
| 13:59.43 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 13:59.47 | abrotman | MrWup: the server |
| 13:59.50 | MrWup | oh |
| 13:59.51 | MrWup | brand new |
| 13:59.58 | jetscreamer | use the left side luke |
| 14:00.02 | MrWup | 2.4 kernel ey |
| 14:00.08 | abrotman | ah .. nevermind .. i have an old proliant that can't have the mouse plugged in or the keyboard fails |
| 14:00.20 | jetscreamer | left ctrl left alt |
| 14:00.24 | abrotman | MrWup: the sarge installer has two kernels .. have you tried both ? |
| 14:00.40 | MrWup | erm |
| 14:00.45 | MrWup | i havnt had the option |
| 14:00.52 | MrWup | seems to fail at the language stage |
| 14:00.56 | MrWup | oh |
| 14:00.57 | MrWup | u mean |
| 14:01.01 | MrWup | download a different one? |
| 14:01.24 | phreqmod | MrWup, he means "linux26" at the boot prompt |
| 14:01.28 | abrotman | do you have the sarge installer ? |
| 14:02.05 | MrWup | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:02.09 | MrWup | thats the installer i got |
| 14:02.26 | MrWup | when asks to boot all i got is f1 ro help or enter for boot, no options |
| 14:02.37 | abrotman | so have you tried the linux26 option ? |
| 14:02.39 | jetscreamer | so you didn't hit f1 did you |
| 14:02.47 | jetscreamer | and yes that is where to type linux26 |
| 14:02.53 | MrWup | ohhh |
| 14:02.56 | MrWup | right ok ill try that |
| 14:03.15 | jetscreamer | hit f1, f2... |
| 14:03.20 | jetscreamer | read up |
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| 14:05.24 | MrWup | aha! |
| 14:05.31 | MrWup | now thats ive used linux26 |
| 14:05.35 | abrotman | it explodes? |
| 14:05.41 | MrWup | lol works ok now |
| 14:05.49 | MrWup | language selection works anyway. |
| 14:05.51 | MrWup | thanks guys =] |
| 14:06.34 | scanf | I wonder why 2.6 isn't default |
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| 14:06.48 | scanf | 2.4 is .... well... like... |
| 14:06.57 | abrotman | because when sarge was released .. 2.6 was not always the best option .. 2.4 was considered more stable |
| 14:07.07 | scanf | wow |
| 14:07.10 | sep | 2.4 is still more stable |
| 14:07.12 | scanf | when was that? |
| 14:07.25 | abrotman | !worked in 2.4 |
| 14:07.25 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 14:07.28 | sep | !sarge |
| 14:07.28 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 14:08.06 | scanf | "more stable" |
| 14:08.09 | scanf | hmmm |
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| 14:08.36 | abrotman | though i've only got one machine left with a 2.4 .. and it's an alpha |
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| 14:09.10 | scanf | USB problems... i815 hardware issues..... firewire & encryption issues ... wifi issues ... yeah more stable... of couse |
| 14:09.26 | MrWup | how cool |
| 14:09.38 | MrWup | in 12 years of software development, network building and managing |
| 14:09.43 | MrWup | this is my first bash at anything linux |
| 14:09.48 | MrWup | i always got apache etc for windows |
| 14:09.49 | MrWup | heh |
| 14:09.49 | petemc | scanf: most of thise things you mention have no bearing on a server |
| 14:09.54 | sep | scanf, if you run a kernel on hardware it was not designed for it's the admin of the machine that needs a beating not the kernel |
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| 14:10.10 | sep | you can break anything if you use it mindlessly |
| 14:10.34 | eSa| | hi, i'm having strange behaviour with graphical debian-installer, where can i find help to report it? |
| 14:11.14 | abrotman | what's the problem ? |
| 14:11.28 | sep | eSa|, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html#submit-bug |
| 14:12.28 | scanf | petemc: USB lets see... USB key, USB drive, etc i815..lets see i815 video display? firewire..hmm see USB...encryption issues..'nough said |
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| 14:13.28 | abrotman | what server uses i815 display ? |
| 14:13.45 | scanf | abrotman: min edoes |
| 14:13.48 | wols_ | aa P3 server? |
| 14:13.49 | abrotman | usb works .. as does firewire |
| 14:13.50 | scanf | mine does |
| 14:13.52 | scanf | sorry |
| 14:14.04 | scanf | as for 2.4 USB |
| 14:14.07 | abrotman | scanf: then you're not qualified to determine anything regarding stability of a server or it's OS |
| 14:14.09 | abrotman | its |
| 14:14.12 | scanf | that isn't whateveryone says |
| 14:14.36 | wols_ | scanf: is this 815 issue with graphics? |
| 14:14.39 | scanf | abrotman: your fully entitled to your trollingopinion |
| 14:14.50 | petemc | i see only one troll |
| 14:14.55 | abrotman | it's hardly trolling on my part |
| 14:15.08 | abrotman | scanf: please explain to use why your server is running X |
| 14:15.08 | scanf | likewhatever |
| 14:15.10 | abrotman | us |
| 14:15.34 | eSa| | abrotman: the graphical d-i hangs after the partitioning step, while text install do not |
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| 14:15.42 | wols_ | liar. those are brain issues. i know that cause I suffer from them myself |
| 14:15.44 | sep | scanf, you'r the one trolling, that a kernel must support devices that did not exsist when it was released. if you bought unsupported hardware. we can point and lafh at you, or you can use 2.6 kernel or use a backport kernel. but dont expect us to take you seriously. |
| 14:15.49 | Knight_Lord | I'm running ldap and I can only login when nscd is not running. Does anyone have a clue? I already restarted nscd |
| 14:16.02 | abrotman | eSa|: for your purposes .. use the text installer .. but go to #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net and ask them if it's a known issue |
| 14:16.02 | scanf | uh |
| 14:16.09 | scanf | sarge is still the stable distro |
| 14:16.14 | scanf | and 2.4 is ancient |
| 14:16.18 | scanf | nough said |
| 14:16.21 | eSa| | abrotman: thanks for the point |
| 14:16.24 | abrotman | and there's plenty of hardware that the 2.6.8 in sarge doesn't support |
| 14:16.25 | petemc | scanf: you're not the first person to come in here and make statements about old sarge software is, and you wont be the last - you dont understand the full situation |
| 14:16.27 | bzed | scanf: and it comes with 2.6 for a good reason. stop whining |
| 14:16.57 | bzed | scanf: and if you really need a more recent kernel, there's 2.6.18 on backports. |
| 14:17.03 | scanf | bzed: i'm not wining I only asked why 2.6 isn't default |
| 14:17.14 | scanf | that's all |
| 14:17.16 | petemc | and you were told |
| 14:17.16 | scanf | sheesh |
| 14:17.25 | bzed | scanf: because when sarge came out most people preferes 2.4. pretty easy. |
| 14:17.29 | abrotman | lack of hardware support doesn't make it less stable |
| 14:17.45 | bzed | scanf: not to forget that you can choose which kernel to use while installing |
| 14:18.05 | scanf | bzed: we all know that |
| 14:18.13 | enouf | scanf: anyone willing to just even glance at the installation-guide can plainly see how easy it is to use the linux26 option to obtain the 2.6 kernel |
| 14:18.15 | abrotman | apparently MrWup didn't :) |
| 14:18.17 | wols_ | bzed: that would mean peopkle are capable of readin. you're too optimistic there |
| 14:18.29 | wols_ | enouf: now you're getting silly. there is no ig |
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| 14:18.41 | enouf | scanf: anyone setting up a server should know about documentation |
| 14:18.42 | cydork | heh |
| 14:18.50 | enouf | wols_: heh |
| 14:18.50 | wols_ | enouf: are you new here? |
| 14:19.01 | jetscreamer | 2.6 IS the default ... with etch |
| 14:19.04 | enouf | just walked in off the street ;-0 |
| 14:19.11 | wols_ | enouf: it shows |
| 14:19.17 | bzed | wols_: oh yes, I like to forget that reading is unsupported by small /dev/brain devices |
| 14:19.28 | enouf | actually .. the cat dragged me in .. but I'm not a rodent ;-) |
| 14:19.57 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 14:19.57 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 14:20.07 | wols_ | if I had a penny for everyon guy coming in here asking about help and when asked about his kernel: 2.4.27-386 I'd be rich probably. most of them run it on C2Ds or A64s too |
| 14:20.29 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's not the default .. it's the *only* option |
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| 14:20.34 | |zetetic| | i all |
| 14:20.39 | |zetetic| | hi all |
| 14:20.52 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 14:20.58 | jetscreamer | naw you can do linux24 |
| 14:21.07 | jetscreamer | and rescue |
| 14:21.11 | jetscreamer | (?) |
| 14:21.14 | bzed | uh? |
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| 14:21.25 | jetscreamer | etch |
| 14:21.27 | bzed | rescue yes, but linux24? ok, could be I'm blind |
| 14:21.28 | angor | which version of debian should i download for a server? |
| 14:21.30 | wols_ | jetscreamer: since when? and rescue is the same 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:21.42 | jetscreamer | afaik for a while |
| 14:21.44 | angor | I was going 3.1_r1 not sure tho |
| 14:21.45 | cusco | you could in the past..! and I have a computer runing 2.4 testing.. Im now worried about it keeping powered on.. :P |
| 14:21.48 | wols_ | angor: depends how new the server hardware is |
| 14:21.58 | wols_ | angor: 3.1_r5 if sarge. not r1 |
| 14:22.04 | sep | wols_, i actualy thing we get even more of the "why wont IA64 boot on my new shiny opteron/xeon/em64t/pentium4/core2duo it's 64bit damit!" questions |
| 14:22.14 | angor | wols_: which version should i get for a server |
| 14:22.17 | angor | the box is brand new, p4. |
| 14:22.30 | enouf | angor: /msg dpkg i-g and see /topic |
| 14:22.33 | wols_ | angor: etch or kmuto |
| 14:22.44 | bzed | angor: also think about etch, which will be released soon. isntalling 'stable' now and upgrading to the new stable ina a few weeks dosn't make fun |
| 14:22.48 | enouf | sep: heh .. almost asked if MrWup chose the correct arch |
| 14:22.51 | wols_ | cause plain sarge's kernel is probably too old to work |
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| 14:23.09 | wols_ | !tell angor about kmuto |
| 14:23.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i don't think so |
| 14:23.22 | sep | enouf, it's not a stupid questions. i'v wasted many mins on users that want to boot IA64 :) |
| 14:23.40 | abrotman | wols_: he should at least try sarge with a 2.6 first |
| 14:23.44 | abrotman | use a CDRW! |
| 14:23.45 | bzed | !tell angor about etch |
| 14:24.02 | wols_ | abrotman: on a new P4? |
| 14:24.06 | abrotman | dist-upgrades are fun! |
| 14:24.12 | abrotman | wols_: worked for me on a P4-D |
| 14:24.25 | wols_ | abrotman: what chipset? |
| 14:24.32 | enouf | sep: I've seen a few of those convos .. not pretty .. heh |
| 14:24.34 | abrotman | ask IBM :) |
| 14:24.37 | abrotman | 9xx i assume |
| 14:24.42 | wols_ | I ask you since it's your PC |
| 14:24.44 | |zetetic| | I'm running debian etch. I have a secondary disk automatically mounted on /media. When Gnome starts a icon representing the secondary disk is created on the desktop, with the name "100 GB volume". How can I change the volume name of this disk? |
| 14:24.46 | abrotman | it's not a PC |
| 14:24.58 | wols_ | a P4 and no PC? |
| 14:24.59 | abrotman | wols_: ich7/8 |
| 14:25.09 | enouf | !tell angor -about nie |
| 14:25.10 | abrotman | wols_: it's not a Personal Computer .. it's sitting in a rack :) |
| 14:25.22 | angor | wols: im going 3.1_r5 |
| 14:25.32 | abrotman | please use a CDRW |
| 14:26.01 | abrotman | think of the mini-CDs |
| 14:26.02 | enouf | angor: just to use as a refernece between some major diffs between sarge and etch .. you likely want to run sarge (kmuto kernel) on your new p4 for a server though |
| 14:26.19 | angor | enouf: sarge? |
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| 14:26.26 | angor | where can i download it? |
| 14:26.31 | enouf | !sarge |
| 14:26.32 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 14:26.33 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i didn't make it up.... i've never even WANTED a 2.4 kernel... (cept when there was no 2.6 :() i read it on the F1 i 'think' |
| 14:26.50 | enouf | hrm .. that looks familiar ;-0 |
| 14:26.54 | angor | where can i download it from |
| 14:27.07 | jetscreamer | but, the docs say: For Etch, 2.6 is the only supported kernel version for all architectures. |
| 14:27.10 | wols_ | angor: you were given the urls already by dpkg |
| 14:27.11 | zamuro | !tell angor about sarge |
| 14:27.14 | bzed | angor: you realyl want to have a look into sarge AND etch. etch works very well, even on servers. and using it now will save you the hassle to upgrade soon |
| 14:27.17 | jetscreamer | must be the word 'supported' |
| 14:27.20 | angor | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:27.22 | angor | right? |
| 14:27.24 | enouf | angor: are you even paying attention to what others, dpkg and I have been saying? |
| 14:27.28 | wols_ | angor: no |
| 14:27.45 | zamuro | enouf: Obviously not. |
| 14:27.48 | zamuro | hahahaha |
| 14:27.49 | wols_ | 15:22 < enouf> angor: /msg dpkg i-g and see /topic |
| 14:28.09 | tarzeau | if the plan works, etch is out on 2 april 2007 |
| 14:28.20 | abrotman | slow poke |
| 14:28.30 | wols_ | tarzeau: nah, the plan works and etch is out since december 2006! |
| 14:28.32 | abrotman | when's the last time a plan worked around here ... |
| 14:28.35 | bzed | angor: I'd install etch for sure, enouf seems to like sarge :) you should find your own opinion, there's enough info in the net |
| 14:28.35 | jelly | first of april would be a more realistic date :-) |
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| 14:28.56 | rpc | hello folks |
| 14:28.57 | angor | ill stick with debian.org |
| 14:29.01 | rpc | is it possible to rename a screen session? |
| 14:29.06 | tarzeau | rpc: sure |
| 14:29.11 | rpc | or do i just wipe it and create a new with name |
| 14:29.13 | rpc | tarzeau hm |
| 14:29.34 | wols_ | angor: etch is at debian.org too, fwiw |
| 14:29.57 | |zetetic| | nobody here uses gnome? :) |
| 14:29.58 | petemc | enouf: whats the reasoning behind recommending sarge? |
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| 14:30.08 | rpc | tarzeau i really can't see how to rename a running screen in help |
| 14:30.09 | bzed | !tell |zetetic| about anybody |
| 14:30.13 | tarzeau | rpc: sorry i thought window, not session. maybe #screen ? |
| 14:31.21 | vlt | Hello. On a Debian Sarge server I am user "vlt" (uid 1039) and in the group "admin". The directory /etc/foo is "drwxrwx--- root admin" so I have write permissions there. When I try to write from another machine (where I am "vlt" and uid 1039, too) via NFS I get "permission denied". What did I miss here? |
| 14:31.43 | tarzeau | vlt: same id there? |
| 14:31.57 | vlt | (where I am "vlt" and uid 1039, too), yes. |
| 14:32.28 | tarzeau | vlt: so on both machines you are user vlt, uid 1039? |
| 14:32.42 | jetscreamer | i have to make sure i'm not that psycho.. |
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| 14:33.20 | kombi | how do you force re-install again? |
| 14:33.22 | vlt | tarzeau: Yes, user "vlt" on both machines, uid 1039 on both machines |
| 14:33.22 | enouf | petemc: server stability and security patched only really .. but etch certainly is a viable option especially at this point |
| 14:33.51 | wintix | kombi: 'apt-get install --reinstall package' |
| 14:34.00 | vlt | tarzeau: The export is rw and on the client mounted as rw |
| 14:34.02 | kombi | thanks wintix! |
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| 14:35.09 | enouf | angor: if you do go with etch, for a server you want to keep your sources.list saying "etch" and not "testing" .. /msg dpkg releases for more info |
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| 14:36.09 | jetscreamer | ok it's not there anymore |
| 14:36.11 | jetscreamer | it was |
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| 14:36.31 | cydork | jetscreamer: lies!!! |
| 14:36.42 | vlt | tarzeau: When I'm logged in to Debian server via ssh I can write to the directory so I assume the group rights are set correctly. |
| 14:37.23 | wintix | vlt: pastebin the exports file, maybe there's something wrong. |
| 14:37.29 | MadDwarf | Hi. I got some great help here, and am now running Etch, and have 3D graphics! :) but i cannot get NWN to run properly - does anyone know about NeverWinterNights under Linux? or where I can find help? |
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| 14:38.12 | vlt | wintix: "/ln/slapd/ 192.168.0.0/16(rw)" <== from /etc/exports |
| 14:38.28 | christof | someone know how we can do to have the bandwith used by a soft? |
| 14:38.34 | vlt | wintix: "192.168.1.1:/ln/slapd/ on /mnt2/1 type nfs (rw,addr=192.168.1.1)" <== `mount` on the client |
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| 14:39.10 | vlt | christof: If you know the port you can use `iftop` |
| 14:39.18 | christof | yes I know it |
| 14:39.23 | christof | ok I try |
| 14:39.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i think the 2.4 kernels have been removed from etch completely |
| 14:39.54 | wols_ | MadDwarf: bioware.com |
| 14:40.18 | vlt | christof: press "p" for splitting traffic by used ports |
| 14:40.21 | MadDwarf | wols_: yes, I have tried their suggestions, but am still getting crashes when i try to run |
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| 14:40.47 | MadDwarf | SDL Parachute Deployed ... whatever that is ! |
| 14:40.53 | christof | vlt: ouah cool :) |
| 14:41.12 | jetscreamer | abrotman: yes it seems so. |
| 14:41.54 | abrotman | MadDwarf: have you asked #sdl ? |
| 14:41.54 | rpc | i really can't figure out how to run screen session with it's own name... why isn't it given in --help just straight? |
| 14:41.55 | rpc | it seems so obvious |
| 14:41.59 | tarzeau | rpc: you can name a new session |
| 14:42.05 | rpc | i know but how? |
| 14:42.08 | MadDwarf | i have not yet asked #sdl. |
| 14:42.10 | tarzeau | rpc: using -S ? |
| 14:42.11 | rpc | i can't find the syntax |
| 14:42.18 | rpc | that's demon mode |
| 14:42.21 | tarzeau | rpc: -S sockname Name this session <pid>.sockname instead of <pid>.<tty>.<host>. |
| 14:42.25 | rpc | i don't want demon |
| 14:42.36 | tarzeau | rpc: this? -dmS name Start as daemon: Screen session in detached mode. |
| 14:42.38 | vlt | christof: very is "L" (yes, capital) and "T", and very helpful is "n", "N", "t", "<", ">" and of course "h" ;-) |
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| 14:42.50 | rpc | oh hm |
| 14:42.59 | rpc | yes in fact but also -S seems unclear in --help |
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| 14:43.26 | rpc | i just want it to become "hello" instead of cryptic -S sockname Name this session <pid>.sockname instead of <pid>.<tty>.<host>. |
| 14:43.42 | rpc | so i can screen -r hello anytime with no extra crap to be typed in |
| 14:44.14 | Arme[N] | Hi there, I cant find mencoder package, mplayer is already installed, I just search mencoder with dpkg -S too |
| 14:44.18 | simonrvn | screen -mS me -U -c /home/simon/.screenrc |
| 14:44.21 | tarzeau | rpc: try this: screen -dmS hello then |
| 14:44.23 | kim0 | Hi, I'm after a tiny debian installation (<50MB). Any recommended ones (not damn small coz it tracks woody!) ? |
| 14:44.34 | enouf | MadDwarf: don't know how old or up to date this is but see http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/#ihavenwn |
| 14:44.34 | simonrvn | -U is for UTF8 |
| 14:44.36 | rpc | thank you simonrvn and tarzeau |
| 14:44.37 | Arme[N] | I just use debian etch |
| 14:44.39 | vlt | Do I have to be in the same group on an NFS client as on the server to get the group's permissions or is only the groups file on the server taken into account? |
| 14:44.50 | MadDwarf | thnx enouf |
| 14:44.54 | jetscreamer | Arme[N]: it's still on marillat |
| 14:45.02 | phreqmod | rpc, just tested it, it works as you said... screen -S test will aloow screen -r test |
| 14:45.02 | wols_ | !dmm |
| 14:45.02 | dpkg | i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 14:45.03 | jetscreamer | !tell Arme[N] -about marillat |
| 14:45.07 | tarzeau | rpc: i've got some nice trick to also name windows (when using zsh) at www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ see dotzshrc |
| 14:45.10 | simonrvn | rpc: -c is config file |
| 14:45.52 | simonrvn | i have aliases for my screen sessions |
| 14:46.28 | Arme[N] | jetscreamer, thanks |
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| 14:47.50 | enouf | MadDwarf: crashing is most times a bad/wrong driver or driver installation I'd say though .. but following a few urls from the one i just threw out to ya .. see http://pgshopping.com/mdkxp/en/artcls/nwnfaq.php |
| 14:49.20 | MadDwarf | thnx enouf - i've worked my way through that FAQ. problem is, I can run with the 1.29 version, but all online servers demand that I update to 1.69, at which point I get the errors |
| 14:49.45 | MadDwarf | #sdl are not talking 8o( |
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| 14:49.53 | Ramattack | hello |
| 14:49.55 | kim0 | I'm on woody, can I install from dmm (only has sarge) ? |
| 14:49.58 | Ramattack | geycat are you there? |
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| 14:50.09 | tarzeau | Ramattack: #debian-offtopic |
| 14:50.46 | Ramattack | sorry |
| 14:50.47 | enouf | MadDwarf: hrm .. I really can't say then .. I'm not a gamer -- keep googling, see usenet mailing lists (gamer related), etc, etc |
| 14:50.55 | Ramattack | only one question mates |
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| 14:51.04 | MadDwarf | ok, thnx enouf. will keep hunting. |
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| 14:51.21 | GuHhH | hello! |
| 14:51.41 | GuHhH | anyone knows a debian repository that haves wine |
| 14:51.57 | bhundven | it's either in contrib or non-free |
| 14:52.31 | bhundven | me thinks contrib |
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| 14:53.06 | phreqmod | Er, wine? Isn't it in main? |
| 14:53.34 | stew | GuHhH: "/msg dpkg mirrors" it would be in any debian main repository |
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| 14:54.41 | Ramattack | why could be that If i run a concrect startup script from putty or from kconsole it gets in logout at exit time and doesn't close the window... but If I do the same from tty the tty closes properly and returns to login? |
| 14:55.07 | GuHhH | but i don`t have debian repositories, im using ubuntu |
| 14:55.22 | jelly | GuHhH: you want to ask in #ubuntu, then |
| 14:55.23 | Ronin | GuHhH: #ubuntu for you |
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| 14:55.46 | GuHhH | no... |
| 14:55.55 | GuHhH | debian repositories are better :) |
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| 14:56.02 | rahul | then stop using ubuntu |
| 14:56.04 | Ronin | GuHhH: so then install debian |
| 14:56.07 | cydork | GuHhH: install debian. |
| 14:56.11 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:56.20 | GuHhH | oh, so helpful. |
| 14:56.25 | stew | GuHhH: we would never recommend installing debian packages onto ubuntu. however you should be asking in #ubuntu if you are running ubuntu |
| 14:56.31 | rahul | GuHhH: we can only help those who want help |
| 14:56.34 | GuHhH | debian do not install on my machine |
| 14:56.42 | rahul | GuHhH: sounds like a personal issue |
| 14:56.44 | Ronin | GuHhH: what do you expect us to do? you're not running debian so theres not much we can do and you won't go ask in your distros channel |
| 14:56.53 | GuHhH | no, sounds like my machine is better than yours |
| 14:57.03 | rahul | great, then have fun in #ubuntu |
| 14:57.03 | valdyn | !troll GuHhH |
| 14:57.04 | stew | GuHhH: if you want help with installing debian, we can help with that. what is the problem you have installing debian? |
| 14:57.09 | valdyn | !test |
| 14:57.09 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 14:57.15 | jelly | !penixsmite GuHhH |
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| 14:57.23 | rahul | !penixstrike jelly |
| 14:57.23 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jelly to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 14:57.28 | rahul | silly people. |
| 14:57.31 | jelly | poot! |
| 14:57.45 | GuHhH | i dont need help to install any system, i can do it by myself :D |
| 14:57.53 | Ronin | good for you GuHhH |
| 14:58.00 | stew | GuHhH: is there anything debian related we can help you with then? |
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| 14:58.31 | GuHhH | yes, you could give me a repository, but whatever, thanks for nothing |
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| 14:58.37 | stew | GuHhH: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 14:58.37 | valdyn | hah |
| 14:58.54 | stew | GuHhH: that will give you a list of every debian mirror. every debian mirror contains wine |
| 14:59.04 | valdyn | GuHhH: installing debian packages on ubuntu systems is bad for obvious technical reasons, don't do it. |
| 14:59.18 | jelly | GuHhH: you really should use repos appropriate for your distro, or you'll run into all sorts of problems |
| 14:59.21 | rahul | GuHhH: don't come crying to us when the wine package makes a mess of your package management |
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| 14:59.54 | valdyn | GuHhH: maybe you could have a look at www.winehq.com |
| 14:59.56 | jelly | GuHhH: but here's a hint: check the upstream site, winehq.com. They do ubuntu builds. |
| 15:00.00 | MythrilSword | GuHhH: why dont you install wine "by hand" from source ? |
| 15:00.19 | enouf | GuHhH: go away now and stop wasting everyone's time with your nonsense please |
| 15:00.23 | GuHhH | none problem about that |
| 15:00.28 | HostilePenguin | i edited my fstab the fs mounts in /filesystem/export how do i get gnome to show it as a mounted fs |
| 15:00.29 | GuHhH | since we use debian packages |
| 15:00.33 | GuHhH | :O |
| 15:00.35 | Ronin | GuHhH: ahh but you dont |
| 15:01.04 | valdyn | GuHhH: nonsense |
| 15:01.04 | rahul | you don't use debian packages. |
| 15:01.04 | GuHhH | yes i do |
| 15:01.04 | rahul | GuHhH: please learn something before blathering |
| 15:01.07 | rahul | you don't know where to FIND debian packages. how could you possibly be using them? |
| 15:01.09 | stew | it doesn't matter whether or not GuHhH uses whatever packages... |
| 15:01.17 | MythrilSword | let him use them , after a few forcefull reinstalls he will learn to listen :) |
| 15:01.28 | GuHhH | lol... |
| 15:01.29 | stew | GuHhH: please take it to ubuntu unless you have any other debian related questions |
| 15:01.40 | stew | #ubuntu rather... |
| 15:01.40 | GuHhH | whatever you say, always did that :) |
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| 15:01.43 | bzed | yeah, installing serios debian packages on a bloated ubuntu will lead to explosions |
| 15:01.54 | rpc | does anyone know where to get a bootable floppy image? so i can mount it in virtual machine and boot off it? |
| 15:02.04 | GuHhH | yeah, yeah... i will have to buy a new machine tomorrow :( |
| 15:02.10 | GuHhH | :D |
| 15:02.10 | phreqmod | rpc, yes, in 1996 |
| 15:02.11 | rpc | or an "empty" image so i can prepare my own boot floppy |
| 15:02.18 | phreqmod | ehe, couldn't resit |
| 15:02.21 | jelly | GuHhH: I you want to know more, try reading /msg dpkg based on debian /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 15:02.26 | valdyn | rpc: google? |
| 15:02.28 | jelly | *if |
| 15:02.33 | rpc | phreqmod do you realise how stupid that one was? |
| 15:02.34 | dustybin | are u guys happy that Debian Installer Etch Release Candidate 2 has been released? |
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| 15:02.44 | valdyn | rpc: debian ships grub boot floppies in the grub-disk package |
| 15:02.52 | rpc | valdyn hm |
| 15:02.55 | enouf | !today |
| 15:02.55 | dpkg | As of March 19, 2007 - The Debian Installer team is proud to announce the second release candidate (RC2) of the installer for Debian GNU/Linux Etch. See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070319 for details .. also keep your eye on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 15:03.08 | phreqmod | rpc, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 15:03.16 | valdyn | rpc: why would you want to use a floppy image though? |
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| 15:03.44 | valdyn | rpc: disk images are simple, i dont understand the need for floppy |
| 15:03.54 | jelly | enouf: that's yesterday? |
| 15:04.11 | enouf | !yesteryearsmite jelly :-) |
| 15:04.13 | dustybin | when etch is tested stable and mythtv releases .21 im gonna have a serious stable system :) |
| 15:04.22 | phreqmod | rpc, no I didn't realize that at all. |
| 15:05.03 | phreqmod | rpc, more prisely |
| 15:05.06 | phreqmod | http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ |
| 15:05.26 | rpc | thank you, going there... |
| 15:05.27 | phreqmod | precisely, sorry |
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| 15:07.09 | OoberMick | Can someone please explain to me how gnome/nautilus decides which volumes to display on the desktop. I have 3 partitions (all of which are mounted in fstab with "defaults"), 2 of them are not shown on the desktop and 1 is. I'd prefer it was none, anybody got any ideas? p.s. I'm on testing/unstable |
| 15:07.31 | HostilePenguin | see now i want those to show on desk top |
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| 15:08.35 | valdyn | OoberMick: mounted after nautilus was started? i've been wondering this myself though |
| 15:08.47 | OoberMick | nope mounted on boot |
| 15:08.48 | valdyn | OoberMick: though all my images are shown |
| 15:08.58 | valdyn | OoberMick: user flag on any of those? |
| 15:09.03 | OoberMick | nope |
| 15:09.05 | valdyn | OoberMick: or 'just' defaults? |
| 15:09.08 | valdyn | OoberMick: i see |
| 15:09.14 | SerajewelKS | why does evolution show time as though it was EST, not EDT? |
| 15:09.19 | OoberMick | just defaults |
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| 15:10.29 | valdyn | OoberMick: where's each of them mounted? |
| 15:10.37 | OoberMick | I have /boot /home and /usr/local/share/music (I could't think of a better place) and they all have the same options on boot and yet /usr/local/share/music is on the desktop |
| 15:10.41 | lunitik | OoberMick: Is the one on the desktop / by any chance? Try /apps/nautilus/ (I think general) ... there are settings there for what to place on the desktop |
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| 15:11.40 | piztek | can anyone help me with an install that I'm stuck on? |
| 15:11.41 | OoberMick | lunitik: you can only set all volumes or none. I would like to see removable media only not partions |
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| 15:11.56 | MrWup | more debian problems |
| 15:12.06 | MrWup | installed debian, now am at the apt download stage |
| 15:12.16 | lunitik | MrWup: not a good way to announce your arrival |
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| 15:12.29 | obnauticus | erm |
| 15:12.29 | MrWup | typed in my proxy to access web. connected. all ok |
| 15:12.31 | obnauticus | how do i kill GDM |
| 15:12.36 | obnauticus | Because Every time I kill it |
| 15:12.37 | MrWup | connected to the mirror, got a 4mb file of some sort |
| 15:12.39 | obnauticus | It opens it back up. |
| 15:12.39 | valdyn | OoberMick: let me know if you figure it out, i want all my disk mounts to vanish.. |
| 15:12.39 | lunitik | !tell MrWup about enter |
| 15:12.41 | MrWup | now whichever mirror i find |
| 15:12.44 | obnauticus | and I need to kill the x server too |
| 15:12.47 | obnauticus | to install this package |
| 15:12.49 | MrWup | it just says 2 file not found |
| 15:12.55 | cydork | obnauticus: /etc/init.d/gdm stop ? |
| 15:12.58 | lunitik | !tell obnauticus about enter |
| 15:12.59 | MrWup | after downloading that 4mb file |
| 15:13.24 | MrWup | im trying to d/l the i386 main stuff |
| 15:13.24 | piztek | I've just installed debian on a laptop and am stuck at terminal. i've logged in, and do not know what to do. I can't startx |
| 15:13.27 | OoberMick | valdyn: do you even want to get rid of "removable media", like cd's? |
| 15:13.32 | lunitik | MrWup: no one is going to follow along... put whatever you're saying into one statement... thanks |
| 15:13.38 | MrWup | ok |
| 15:13.53 | piztek | and the laptop is not online |
| 15:13.58 | valdyn | OoberMick: no, just the harddisks |
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| 15:14.24 | valdyn | OoberMick: i have 3 chroot environments on seperate partitions, those show up |
| 15:14.28 | MrWup | i've finished installing debian. I am at the apt download stage. i manage to connect ok to the net through the proxy. i connect to a mirror and it downloads a ~4mb file each time. then it immediately says file not found |
| 15:14.46 | MrWup | it is trying to download the main pakacges for i386 but ive tried loads of proxies and it just says not found |
| 15:14.57 | valdyn | OoberMick: but all 3 are not in fstab, so i thought it was that, obviously it is not |
| 15:15.11 | piztek | can anyone help? |
| 15:15.31 | lunitik | piztek: what desktop are you planning on using? |
| 15:15.39 | vlt | Do I have to be in the same group on an NFS client as on the server to get the group's permissions or is only the groups file on the server taken into account? |
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| 15:15.57 | lunitik | piztek: and is this stable/testing or unstable? |
| 15:16.03 | piztek | debian testing |
| 15:16.12 | OoberMick | valdyn: I'm pretty sure it's a HAL thing but I can figure what I need to do because I don't know what properties gnome is looking for |
| 15:16.16 | wols_ | piztek: what network interfaces does the laptop have? |
| 15:16.19 | OoberMick | *can;t |
| 15:16.22 | lunitik | piztek: apt-get install xorg ... and whatever desktop you want to use |
| 15:16.30 | piztek | wifi onboard card |
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| 15:16.41 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 15:16.41 | wols_ | piztek: what chip? |
| 15:16.42 | valdyn | OoberMick: yea, i agree, there's nothing containing 'mount' on gconf that could be relevant |
| 15:16.47 | piztek | pIII |
| 15:16.54 | lunitik | wols_: he said it downloaded things fine I thought? |
| 15:16.56 | wols_ | piztek: the wlan, not the cpu |
| 15:17.00 | piztek | could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 15:17.01 | wols_ | lunitik: he said it's not online |
| 15:17.06 | piztek | intel |
| 15:17.09 | mateuszk | how to make frambuffered console running console-setup faster when scrolling text? |
| 15:17.10 | lunitik | piztek: as root |
| 15:17.14 | wols_ | piztek: you need to be root to run apt and dpkg |
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| 15:17.27 | wols_ | piztek: what intel? what chip EXACTLY? |
| 15:17.31 | piztek | couldn't find package |
| 15:17.37 | piztek | wols_: i'm not sure |
| 15:17.42 | lunitik | !info xorg testing |
| 15:17.42 | wols_ | mateuszk: don#t use vesafb |
| 15:17.49 | piztek | it said 802.11 at the install |
| 15:17.52 | mateuszk | wols_, hmm... ok |
| 15:17.56 | wols_ | piztek: try lspci -v |
| 15:17.57 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-15 (etch), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 15:17.58 | mateuszk | wols_, which one should I use? |
| 15:18.08 | wols_ | mateuszk: depends on your videocard |
| 15:18.28 | mateuszk | wols_, Intel Corporation 82845G/GL |
| 15:18.33 | piztek | toshiba? |
| 15:18.52 | wols_ | piztek: do what I told you instead of guessing what I want to hear |
| 15:19.01 | MythrilSword | can someone explain me how to install multiple mysql installations of different versions ? |
| 15:19.02 | piztek | i can't connect online |
| 15:19.23 | piztek | wols_: i can't connect online, can i fetch it from cd somehow? |
| 15:19.44 | wols_ | piztek: you don't know what to fetch until you know what hardware you have. so find out |
| 15:20.05 | wols_ | and most likely the CD won't contain all you need |
| 15:20.06 | piztek | wols_: how do i list by page, because i'm not seeing the wifi listed |
| 15:20.15 | wols_ | lspci -v |more |
| 15:20.51 | wols_ | mateuszk: try the i810 framebuffer driver |
| 15:21.20 | piztek | modem is an intel 587 |
| 15:21.25 | enouf | piztek: could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock is an error one usually gets from not being root when using apt-get install |
| 15:21.54 | piztek | ethernet controller intel corp. 82801BA |
| 15:22.02 | piztek | i was as root |
| 15:22.19 | wols_ | piztek: then dpkg was running elsewhere already |
| 15:22.28 | wols_ | and since you have LAN: can't you use that to go online? |
| 15:22.41 | mateuszk | wols_, I am using i915 driver for X |
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| 15:23.13 | piztek | wols_: I can but it'd be nice to configure the wireless now |
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| 15:24.23 | wols_ | mateuszk: and that has bearing how? |
| 15:24.43 | wols_ | piztek: it will be easier to config when you already haev network access |
| 15:24.53 | enouf | piztek: uncomment the cdrom line in your /etc/apt/sources.list to use that as a repo (remove the # from in front of "deb file:/cdrom/ etch main" and save) .. but if only a netinstaller, you'll be missing some/many things |
| 15:25.01 | wols_ | e.g you most probably need some firmware for your wlan from somewhere (the windows driver usually) |
| 15:25.45 | rpc | why would gunzip say that a .gz archive is not a .gz archive while the file is legit? |
| 15:25.55 | piztek | enouf: i just found the package kdesktop and am installing it |
| 15:26.00 | valdyn | rpc: how do you know it i legit? |
| 15:26.02 | piztek | still i need wireless |
| 15:26.06 | enouf | rpc: file filename.gz says what? |
| 15:26.06 | MrWup | why wont it just install. ive done everything im supposed to do. debian just doesnt seem to be able to download properly from the mirrors |
| 15:26.08 | rpc | valdyn it comes from a legit site |
| 15:26.13 | piztek | should i install xorg too? |
| 15:26.16 | mateuszk | wols_, I mean I am using for X i915 module and i810 driver in xorg... |
| 15:26.19 | rpc | enouf checking |
| 15:26.23 | piztek | xfree86? |
| 15:26.26 | valdyn | rpc: 'file that.gz' |
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| 15:26.36 | rpc | boot2pup.img.gz: data |
| 15:26.40 | wols_ | mateuszk: again: what bearing does that have on anything? |
| 15:26.59 | valdyn | rpc: i assume this isnt really gzipped |
| 15:27.02 | enouf | that's a binary |
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| 15:27.04 | rpc | and that's: http://puppylinux.com/download/boot2pup.img.gz |
| 15:27.11 | valdyn | rpc: just mount it |
| 15:27.19 | rpc | valdyn oh hm.. |
| 15:27.21 | mateuszk | wols_, when I had i810 and intelfb, then intelfb was loaded and fb didnt work.. |
| 15:27.47 | rpc | valdyn it's only 192k.. must be compressed, raw image would be like 1.4MB |
| 15:28.06 | wols_ | can't be compressed that high |
| 15:28.10 | rpc | can be |
| 15:28.20 | rpc | that image is nearly empty, contains just a few small files |
| 15:28.27 | wols_ | bnaries for x86 compress about to 1/3 |
| 15:28.32 | piztek | xfree86-common is installed, but i cannot startx |
| 15:28.33 | rpc | that's NOT binary |
| 15:28.34 | wols_ | ah |
| 15:28.38 | rpc | just a boot disk |
| 15:28.41 | HostilePenguin | im using 810 also fb and apic |
| 15:28.43 | enouf | rpc: what command exactly did you use to gunzip it? |
| 15:28.48 | HostilePenguin | both off |
| 15:28.49 | rpc | enouf gunzip |
| 15:28.53 | wols_ | piztek: apt-get install w-window-system-core |
| 15:29.10 | valdyn | rpc: that file is broken |
| 15:29.12 | enouf | well that won't work |
| 15:29.14 | valdyn | rpc: i downloaded it |
| 15:29.17 | rpc | valdyn hrhm... |
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| 15:29.20 | piztek | couldn't find package wols_ |
| 15:29.23 | rpc | enouf why? |
| 15:29.37 | enouf | rpc: because you didn't tell it any filename |
| 15:29.49 | rpc | enouf i did |
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| 15:29.59 | enouf | rpc: but valdyn has checked and the file must be b0rked |
| 15:30.00 | rpc | gunzip boot2pup.img.gz |
| 15:30.08 | wols_ | piztek: then you need either full CD1 or network access. and for your wireless you should make sure to run a 2.6 kernel. higher chances of success |
| 15:30.12 | rpc | it's a legit site, i can't believe it's broken |
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| 15:30.36 | rpc | i do need a floppy like that... going crazy here, once i found it it's broken.... :( |
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| 15:30.59 | valdyn | rpc: maintainers of legit sites do make mistakes like anyone else |
| 15:31.08 | valdyn | rpc: and even their computers fail from time to time |
| 15:31.12 | rpc | don't you think it's a crazy mistake? |
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| 15:31.25 | valdyn | rpc: ask them? |
| 15:31.28 | ManuP | i have a script running in a terminal (in X) now i want to restart X without terminating the script. can i somehow move the script von X to ttyn? |
| 15:31.34 | rpc | how many files are there.. just a few and that one is really important as there is a whole page dedicated for that one |
| 15:31.37 | piztek | wols_: do you know how to configure wireless? |
| 15:31.40 | piztek | does anyone? |
| 15:31.44 | rpc | this file must be OK, it's gunzip's fault |
| 15:31.49 | ManuP | piztek, a bit... |
| 15:31.57 | rpc | how can i force tar to unpack .gz? |
| 15:31.59 | piztek | ManuP: could you help |
| 15:32.02 | rpc | just gz, not tar.gz |
| 15:32.03 | piztek | help me try? |
| 15:32.13 | ManuP | piztek, dont know. i am new to linux... |
| 15:32.14 | wols_ | piztek: do YOU know what wireless chip you have? |
| 15:32.24 | piztek | intel 587 |
| 15:32.32 | ManuP | and what is the problem? |
| 15:32.34 | wols_ | piztek: that is no wirelss chip |
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| 15:33.00 | HostilePenguin | like sheep to the slaughter |
| 15:33.02 | angor | how can i check wether my hdd is on raid 1 or not, remotely through SSH |
| 15:33.02 | graytron | ManuP: why dont you run the script under screen? |
| 15:33.08 | angor | i dont have psycal access to the box. |
| 15:33.26 | piztek | intel corp. 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM ethernet controller |
| 15:33.31 | ManuP | graytron, because i need to restart X. so the terminal would terminate and so the script. |
| 15:33.47 | wols_ | piztek: that is no wireless either. try again |
| 15:33.57 | piztek | texas instrument? |
| 15:34.09 | marinosi | Hello..I have a dell xps m1210 and it uses ipw3945.I did install a new ieee80211 sub tree and make all the needed things(copied the firmware/ucode , installed the user space daemon etc ) but at boot I take this : http://rafb.net/p/FMbnBl88.html Why this thing does not work at boot?? |
| 15:34.13 | wols_ | piztek: can be. but either you tell us the exact chip model, or no go |
| 15:34.15 | graytron | ManuP: so you have already ran the script and there's no way to rerun it? |
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| 15:34.39 | ManuP | graytron, it is a very time-intensive script. if i run it again, i will loose hours! |
| 15:34.49 | phreqmod | ManuP, I don't know any way to do that... I know at least two ways of preventing the script from exiting if you do some preparation before launching it, but after it's running I don't think it's possible... |
| 15:34.58 | piztek | Texas Instrument PCI1410 PC card cardbus conroller |
| 15:35.15 | wols_ | ManuP: copied the necessary firmware to the wrong place perhaps= |
| 15:35.25 | ManuP | phreqmod, graytron couldnt i freeze the process and reactivate it later? |
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| 15:35.32 | wols_ | piztek: that is no wireless either. it's a PC Card controller |
| 15:35.57 | piztek | Toshiba America info systems ToPIC95 PCI to Cardubs bridge with SV support? |
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| 15:36.05 | ManuP | no |
| 15:36.20 | wols_ | piztek: more PC card controller stuff |
| 15:36.39 | phreqmod | ManuP, I don't hink so.l.. you could put in on background, but the jobs are associated with the shell that you have running in the xterm, when X closes xterm closes, the shell ends and so do all the jobs... |
| 15:36.52 | wols_ | piztek: is there an unknown device? and is your wireless a PCMCIA card? |
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| 15:36.55 | piztek | is it the ISA bridge? |
| 15:36.58 | piztek | HOst bridge? |
| 15:37.04 | piztek | pci bridge? |
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| 15:37.11 | wols_ | no. ISA bridge is for isa slots and devices |
| 15:37.18 | piztek | USB controller? |
| 15:37.23 | wols_ | stop guessing and paste it all somewhnere or answer my questions |
| 15:37.29 | wols_ | this is not "20 questions" here |
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| 15:37.40 | ManuP | phreqmod, argh... |
| 15:37.43 | piztek | and it's not the modem? |
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| 15:37.56 | piztek | Intel 537 |
| 15:37.59 | wols_ | a modem is a modem: connect it to the phone line and it (might) work |
| 15:38.11 | wols_ | !modem |
| 15:38.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, modem is (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. <REPLY> suck |
| 15:38.24 | piztek | Yamaha Corporation YMF-754? |
| 15:38.39 | phreqmod | ManuP, yes, I know, it's not good... as I said, if you know before hand you should just invoke "screen" and do you work from there, you can them detach and reattach at will... but once it's running without any sort of provision... |
| 15:38.40 | wols_ | piztek: I ignore you until you answer my questions |
| 15:38.43 | wols_ | bai |
| 15:38.50 | ManuP | piztek, do a lspci and post the output on www.pastebin.ca |
| 15:38.51 | marinosi | Hello..I have a dell xps m1210 and it uses ipw3945.I did install a new ieee80211 sub tree and make all the needed things(copied the firmware/ucode , installed the user space daemon etc ) but at boot I take this : http://rafb.net/p/FMbnBl88.html Why this thing does not work at boot?? |
| 15:39.06 | piztek | how am i supposed to paste it? |
| 15:39.11 | wols_ | !tell ManuP about repeat |
| 15:39.12 | MrWup | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:39.19 | MrWup | whats the difference between all those images? |
| 15:39.22 | wols_ | oops. |
| 15:39.26 | MrWup | does it matter which one i download and install? |
| 15:39.27 | wols_ | !tell marinosi about repeat |
| 15:39.29 | wols_ | ManuP: sorry |
| 15:39.35 | wols_ | MrWup: yes it does |
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| 15:40.05 | jair | hey guys what is the command I use to check if there are file systems exported to me in the nfs server debian? |
| 15:40.07 | piztek | type it out or what? |
| 15:40.11 | MrWup | which should i go for? |
| 15:40.11 | jair | exportfs -e? |
| 15:40.13 | ManuP | phreqmod, can you tell me how to prepare the script? so that in future i dont have this problem again? |
| 15:40.31 | jair | mount -e? |
| 15:40.32 | wols_ | 16:36 < wols_> piztek: is there an unknown device? and is your wireless a PCMCIA card? |
| 15:40.40 | jair | I can not remember |
| 15:40.56 | piztek | wireless is onboard and no unknown devices |
| 15:41.00 | piztek | i think it's this yamaha |
| 15:41.17 | phreqmod | ManuP, sure, I just dif. THe best way is to install a program named "screen". Take time to explore it, but it basically allows you to create "sessions". |
| 15:41.24 | phreqmod | !screen |
| 15:41.25 | dpkg | somebody said screen was allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen, or |
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| 15:42.09 | wols_ | piztek: what notebook is this? |
| 15:42.19 | piztek | toshiba tecra 8200 |
| 15:42.19 | wols_ | and no, the Yamaha is an OPL3 soundchip |
| 15:42.23 | ManuP | phreqmod, thanks. is screen used by many users? |
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| 15:42.41 | valdyn | !popcon |
| 15:42.42 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:42.43 | phreqmod | ManuP, a typical and simple exampel to get you going: run "screen", you'll see the screen refresh, you'r inside the screed session. Start yout script in there, then press Ctrl+A D. It detaches. |
| 15:42.45 | ManuP | piztek, do you know what a konsole or terminal is? |
| 15:42.50 | piztek | yes |
| 15:43.10 | phreqmod | ManuP, you mean if its popular of if it allows many users to use it? Either way, yes. |
| 15:43.12 | piztek | but i can't startx |
| 15:43.22 | valdyn | ManuP: konsole is a specific program, no such thing as 'a konsole' |
| 15:43.47 | ManuP | use less2 as a browser |
| 15:43.47 | wols_ | piko: hermes and orinoco_cs are the drivers for your wireless |
| 15:44.18 | wols_ | piztek: |
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| 15:44.53 | ManuP | piztek, use less2 as a browser |
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| 15:45.02 | piztek | yes wols_ |
| 15:45.03 | ManuP | valdyn, okay, you are right ^^ |
| 15:45.53 | wols_ | piztek:hermes and orinoco_cs are the drivers for your wireless |
| 15:46.01 | piztek | sweet |
| 15:46.18 | wols_ | piztek: one goolging would have told you |
| 15:46.38 | capiira | hmmm i must say gnome 2.18 have no real pro vs 2.14 hehe |
| 15:46.39 | ManuP | phreqmod, if i start screen, i am in the program and i can exec commands. if i press ctr-a D, i quit it... |
| 15:46.49 | valdyn | ManuP: no |
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| 15:46.58 | valdyn | ManuP: you detach it |
| 15:47.05 | ManuP | do i have to exec screen from ttyn? |
| 15:47.13 | ManuP | valdyn, but where is it gone? |
| 15:47.32 | valdyn | ManuP: nowhere, its just not showing the output |
| 15:47.33 | wols_ | capiira: is there any pro in gnome? /me ducks |
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| 15:47.41 | capiira | hehe |
| 15:47.43 | piztek | wols_: so what can I do? |
| 15:47.48 | lunitik | capiira: because they stopped creating new features, might confuse users! |
| 15:47.53 | ManuP | valdyn and how to get back to my output? |
| 15:47.55 | valdyn | ManuP: run 'screen -R -DD' |
| 15:47.58 | Kerr | is anything prominent currently horribly broken in sid? i'm considering an apt-get upgrade. |
| 15:48.02 | wols_ | piztek: are both drivers loaded? |
| 15:48.03 | capiira | ohh really |
| 15:48.08 | capiira | hmm |
| 15:48.11 | wols_ | are wireless tools installed? |
| 15:48.14 | piztek | wols_: how do i check |
| 15:48.14 | lunitik | capiira: they're mostly trying to make it suck less at occupying RAM and other system resources |
| 15:48.21 | wols_ | lsmod |
| 15:48.27 | wols_ | piztek: have you loaded them? |
| 15:48.30 | capiira | feels slower here :) 2.18 |
| 15:48.38 | phreqmod | ManuP, run screen -r |
| 15:48.45 | badcfe | when i do make menuconfig and has no previous config, how is the default configuration made -- is it adopted to my machine? |
| 15:48.47 | phreqmod | Oh, valdyn had alrerady answered, nevermind |
| 15:48.48 | capiira | bad try then hehe |
| 15:48.53 | lunitik | capiira: Well then they must be doing a great job! |
| 15:48.56 | piztek | yes they are loaded |
| 15:48.58 | capiira | lol |
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| 15:49.14 | capiira | sad that debian auto installs gnome |
| 15:49.15 | valdyn | ManuP: screen -R should do, the '-DD' is just to force disconnect if its currently displaying elsewhere, you can play with that between 2 terminals ( on ttyn or xterm or whaver ) |
| 15:49.26 | piztek | wols_: they are loaded it appears |
| 15:49.35 | piztek | orinio_cs is listed |
| 15:49.44 | kjxxxx | when you are booting from the liveCD what file gets run to bring up the boot prompt |
| 15:49.46 | badcfe | for example, now i install a 2.6.16 kernel to apply a patch to it. must i figure out all the rest of the config myself? |
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| 15:49.59 | ManuP | valdyn, phreqmod ah, i see. so it would be good to run most important scripts with screen, wouldnt it? |
| 15:50.02 | holycow | how is time set from the command line? |
| 15:50.07 | capiira | lunitik you tried the kde 3.5.6 from experimental ? |
| 15:50.19 | lunitik | capiira: running it |
| 15:50.26 | capiira | does it works fine ? |
| 15:50.33 | valdyn | ManuP: screen isnt really for scripts. though that works |
| 15:50.43 | valdyn | ManuP: nohup is nicer for scripts |
| 15:50.51 | capiira | because the gnome 2.6 from there does not |
| 15:50.57 | capiira | 1.16 i mean |
| 15:50.59 | capiira | ahh |
| 15:51.00 | phreqmod | ManuP, it is great for scripts that you antecipate can take a while to run, yes |
| 15:51.01 | capiira | 2.16 |
| 15:51.03 | capiira | :) |
| 15:51.12 | valdyn | ManuP: but that's a matter of taste, they both do the same in 1 aspect that matters in your case |
| 15:51.23 | piztek | wols? |
| 15:51.23 | lunitik | capiira: appears to... sid and testing are frozen, likely the only reason it's not in any archive propper |
| 15:51.38 | capiira | but its because not all gnome 2.16 are there |
| 15:51.38 | piztek | so kdebase and kdesktop are installed yet i cannot startx |
| 15:51.47 | badcfe | .. or is there some "make autoconfiguration" option for the kernel build??? |
| 15:51.54 | capiira | is kde 3.5.6 complete in experimental ? |
| 15:51.56 | phreqmod | ManuP, not only because you need to stop X, but a more common use is to run a script that can take along time on another machine (apt-get upgrade, for example). You ssh in, run screen, run the command, detach, logout and go home. |
| 15:52.10 | ManuP | phreqmod, do i have to run screen initially from ttyn or from any terminal in X? |
| 15:53.01 | valdyn | ManuP: any |
| 15:53.01 | piztek | what is the dpkg-reconfigure command for an xfree86 server |
| 15:53.01 | lunitik | capiira: Debian's Gnome maintainers are mostly focused on Ubuntu.... Seb128 (the primary Gnome guy for both distro's) isn't even allowed to work on the Debian packages until Ubuntu is out the door |
| 15:53.01 | ManuP | phreqmod, nice program. |
| 15:53.01 | wols_ | !tell piztek about drxx |
| 15:53.01 | valdyn | !drxx piztek |
| 15:53.01 | dpkg | piztek: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:53.02 | ManuP | valdyn, ok |
| 15:53.02 | wols_ | piztek: which won't work since you have it not installed |
| 15:53.02 | capiira | or is 3.5.6 already ohh tahts new to me |
| 15:53.05 | phreqmod | ManuP, valdyn is right, nohup was the other solution I was talking about, it sinply makes programs ignore the terminal HANGUP signal, so they stay active. In general I prefer screen: it's overkill many times, but it allows for easy cheking of the output. |
| 15:53.26 | piztek | dpkg-reconfigure: command not found? |
| 15:53.30 | capiira | for the first part of my sentence |
| 15:53.38 | capiira | fuck is my typing bad today |
| 15:54.13 | ManuP | he's gone... and i coulnd thank him... well, valdyn you get double thanks of me ;P |
| 15:54.17 | valdyn | piztek: as root and its in /usr/sbin/ |
| 15:54.17 | piztek | wols_: i don't have dpkg installed? |
| 15:55.24 | wols_ | you don't have an X server installed |
| 15:55.25 | wols_ | and if you don't have dpkg-reconfigure installed, you are not running debain |
| 15:55.25 | valdyn | lunitik: try and have fun |
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| 15:55.26 | lunitik | valdyn: I'll get right on it! :P |
| 15:55.27 | wols_ | lunitik: you can remove everything. it would even be a debian system. a broken one |
| 15:55.27 | valdyn | lunitik: dpkg --remove --force-all dpkg ? |
| 15:55.31 | piztek | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: no such file or directory? |
| 15:55.32 | valdyn | lunitik: not seriously |
| 15:55.37 | piztek | wols how do i install one? |
| 15:55.46 | piztek | what package is it? |
| 15:55.52 | capiira | why is he not allowed ? does ubuntu pay him ? |
| 15:55.56 | wols_ | piztek: since you are obviously not reading what I type, I better stop. I answered you before |
| 15:56.06 | lunitik | piztek: try as root... there is no way dpkg-reconfigure is not on your system |
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| 15:56.23 | piztek | so what package is it called? |
| 15:56.28 | lunitik | piztek: use tab complete too... it makes less errors than humans do |
| 15:56.32 | wols_ | !tell piztek about search |
| 15:57.10 | piztek | xfree86-common is installed |
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| 15:57.20 | valdyn | !setup x |
| 15:57.21 | dpkg | i guess set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 15:57.37 | capiira | lunitik: are you using 3.5.6 from unstable or did you install the one from experimental ? |
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| 15:57.55 | badcfe | i wander if when i build a kernel, and i do make menuconfig without doing any togging, then do i get the default binary debian kernel after compiling? |
| 15:57.58 | piztek | so wols_, i can plug in the ethernet and do what? |
| 15:58.15 | badcfe | or should i figure out what to toggle in all the menus? |
| 15:58.16 | wols_ | can debian (or rather linux) display HD content( HDDVD or blu-ray? |
| 15:58.18 | piztek | i would have to configure ethernet which i don't know how to do |
| 15:58.36 | lunitik | capiira: 3.5.6 isn't in unstable? |
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| 15:58.48 | xinming | How to set an env when we login in X please? |
| 15:58.48 | capiira | lunitik, i saw a few packages there |
| 15:58.50 | xinming | setting it within ~/.xinitrc doesn't work |
| 15:58.54 | capiira | mixed with 3.5.5 |
| 15:59.16 | Azar | Intel IOPs gain better Debian Linux support http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7436313650.html |
| 15:59.18 | piztek | wols_: so it's dpkg that I need and by plugging in ethernet i can apt-get it? |
| 15:59.30 | xinming | lunitik: then, when file should I change please? |
| 15:59.44 | wols_ | xinming: .xsession |
| 15:59.52 | piztek | wols_: what about this wireless we figured out? |
| 15:59.56 | piztek | any way i can use that? |
| 15:59.57 | lunitik | xinming: .xsession probably... perhaps having it source your .bash_profile or something? |
| 16:00.00 | enouf | rpc: i bet that boot2pup file was done using 7zip .. don;t ask me why/how .. just a hunch after poking about at it |
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| 16:00.15 | wols_ | enouf: evil lzma? |
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| 16:00.23 | xinming | lunitik: If we have it within .bash_profile, It won't load it. |
| 16:00.33 | enouf | indeed |
| 16:00.35 | xinming | lunitik: even .profile is ignored |
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| 16:00.52 | lunitik | xinming: yeah, I just thought of that... don't mind me, I'm still waiting for my brain to turn on |
| 16:01.01 | piztek | does anyone know what package I need? |
| 16:01.02 | avr__ | xinming: .xsession is for when using gdm/kdm . .xinitrc if for starting X manually. |
| 16:01.19 | lunitik | piztek: you need to be root.... and you need to type the command correctly |
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| 16:01.37 | capiira | BTW. anyone here ever updated testing/unstable through a whole distro cycle till it did become stable again? I mean is this endless debian update procedure just a theory or does it really work ? |
| 16:01.49 | piztek | lunitik: what command? |
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| 16:02.14 | avr__ | bafe: The config for your installed kernel can be found under /boot . Just copy it to your linux sourcetree and rename it .config |
| 16:02.37 | piztek | lunitik: what command |
| 16:02.40 | petemc | capiira: lots of people, tho as the testing/unstable names suggest - you can expect some breakage |
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| 16:02.54 | capiira | i mean stable 2-0 > testing > stable 3.0 > testing > 4.0 |
| 16:03.02 | lunitik | avr__: ahh, the startx script does still call that file... weird |
| 16:03.16 | piztek | lunitik: ? |
| 16:03.35 | wols_ | capiira: it does work. people upgraded potato boxes before |
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| 16:03.45 | lunitik | piztek: I haven't seen you ask anything passed the dpkg-reconfigure question :/ |
| 16:03.50 | valdyn | capiira: it works, im doing it since like 1999 |
| 16:03.55 | capiira | wow |
| 16:03.55 | xinming | avr__: .xsession doesn't work either. |
| 16:03.59 | wols_ | capiira: the main reason to (re)install debian is new hardware, mainly harddisks |
| 16:04.10 | capiira | that's nice |
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| 16:04.17 | cydork | capiira: i did one from potato ->woody ->sarge :P |
| 16:04.22 | xinming | avr__: I have a line with 'export TEST_ENV=1' in .xsession. |
| 16:04.28 | piztek | lunitik: my question is, why won't x start if xfree86-common is installed, along with kdebase and kdesktop? |
| 16:04.29 | xinming | avr__: But I can't it see globally. |
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| 16:04.34 | cydork | capiira: no probs at all.. |
| 16:04.44 | wols_ | piztek: cause you have no X server installed |
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| 16:04.46 | avr__ | capiira, that's why the installer was so rough for a long time. It could be because you really only ever needed to figure it out once. |
| 16:04.49 | lunitik | piztek: because xfree86-common isn't the server bits? |
| 16:04.49 | valdyn | piztek: xfree86-common does almost nothing, how should it work? |
| 16:04.55 | piztek | xserver isn't on the cd? |
| 16:05.10 | lunitik | piztek: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:05.12 | capiira | cydork by using testing between the stables too ? or stable to stable ? |
| 16:05.20 | |zetetic| | how can I enter an empty label to a volume? |
| 16:05.27 | piztek | lunitik: couldn't find package |
| 16:05.41 | wols_ | piztek: what CD do you have? |
| 16:05.44 | piztek | if i plug in an ethernet cable, i'll lose connection here, but can i just apt-get install it then |
| 16:05.45 | piztek | cd1 |
| 16:05.46 | cydork | capiira: with testing :) |
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| 16:05.52 | piztek | i think it's sarge |
| 16:06.01 | capiira | nice to hear |
| 16:06.07 | wols_ | piztek: dpkg -l libc | tail -1 |
| 16:06.15 | valdyn | piztek: why would it not be on the cd? |
| 16:06.28 | valdyn | piztek: -common usually denotes a package containing stuff common between different architectures, there's no executable binaries inside |
| 16:06.28 | lunitik | piztek: you're using Sarge... Xfree86 is in no other distro of Debian |
| 16:06.29 | piztek | wols_: no package found |
| 16:06.35 | capiira | cydork you had any big issues? |
| 16:07.04 | valdyn | piztek: wols meant libc6 |
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| 16:07.08 | lunitik | piztek: get your nic working so you don't have to use the CD's |
| 16:07.32 | piztek | ii libc6 2.3.3.ds1-22sa GNU C Library |
| 16:07.33 | lunitik | piztek: priorties man... messing with CD's is annoying :/ |
| 16:07.43 | piztek | lunitik: can you help me do that |
| 16:07.51 | capiira | cydork: what prob was the baddest you got while using potato till yet? |
| 16:08.04 | valdyn | piztek: run: 'apt-get install x-window-systemc-core' |
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| 16:08.07 | lunitik | piztek: what I'd state, many likely wouldn't like.... as your card is a wireless nic, correct? |
| 16:08.08 | xinming | anyone here can tell me how to load .profile when we are loing in X? |
| 16:08.11 | valdyn | piztek: run: 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' |
| 16:08.16 | cydork | capiira: installation </rant> :P |
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| 16:08.24 | piztek | valdyn: couldn't find package |
| 16:08.24 | capiira | lol |
| 16:08.33 | capiira | i mean while updating |
| 16:08.37 | valdyn | !wikifaq xinming dotfiles |
| 16:08.37 | dpkg | xinming: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/dotfiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:08.39 | piztek | lunitik: i also have an onboard nic |
| 16:08.46 | valdyn | piztek: what kind of cd did you use to install debian? netinstall? |
| 16:08.48 | lunitik | piztek: why aren't you using that? |
| 16:08.49 | wols_ | piztek: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 16:08.54 | dreamer | can anybody help me with this error I'm getting with qcset (quickcam-settings); qcset: ioctl set adaptive (Invalid argument) |
| 16:08.57 | badcfe | when compiling a kernel for prod, should nt i disable the EXPERIMENTAL stuff from processor type etc ? |
| 16:09.02 | cydork | capiira: i dont remember if i had some problems .. |
| 16:09.05 | piztek | no full cd |
| 16:09.06 | piztek | cd1 |
| 16:09.27 | wols_ | badcfe: depends if you need the experimental stuff. sometimes drivers are epxerimental, but when you have that hardware for that driver... |
| 16:09.35 | capiira | :) |
| 16:09.39 | lunitik | piztek: use the onboard nic, and install things from the interenet |
| 16:09.44 | valdyn | oh fuck, that faq got broken |
| 16:09.47 | piztek | lunitik: because i knew wireless would still need to be configured |
| 16:09.48 | lunitik | er... internet |
| 16:09.52 | valdyn | !dotfiles |
| 16:09.52 | dpkg | [dotfiles] http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles |
| 16:09.58 | piztek | lunitik: can i just plug it in? |
| 16:10.04 | lunitik | piztek: it's easier to do that with a network connection too |
| 16:10.17 | piztek | i had to configure last time and i don't remember how to do that |
| 16:10.20 | wols_ | lunitik: don't bother. he doesn't listen to advice |
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| 16:10.31 | piztek | can i do that before i plug in so you guys can tell me how to do it/ |
| 16:10.33 | badcfe | wols_: so basically i have to figure out manually? |
| 16:10.34 | wols_ | already told him that an hour ago |
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| 16:10.42 | lunitik | wols_: ahhh |
| 16:10.44 | valdyn | xinming: how are you logging into / starting X ? |
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| 16:10.50 | rootest | hi !!! |
| 16:10.56 | badcfe | wols_: in each case i must figure to toggle M, ,* ? |
| 16:10.57 | rootest | who is from russia? |
| 16:11.05 | wols_ | badcfe: experimental stuff is labeled as such. so you know when you use some of it |
| 16:11.21 | haze76 | Bonour... Does anyone know how to load the default configuration created by the Linux installer into menuconfig as a starting-point when custom-configuring a kernel? |
| 16:11.21 | enouf | piztek: cat /etc/debian_version says what? |
| 16:11.31 | capiira | and you valdyn? you remember of any really annoying big problem while updating debian since 1999 ? |
| 16:11.42 | lunitik | enouf: he's using sarge, else he wouldn't have xfree86-common installe |
| 16:11.42 | lunitik | d |
| 16:11.47 | wols_ | haze76: there is no linux installer. |
| 16:11.48 | badcfe | wols_: i have applied a kernel patch and now run "menuconfig". its for a special eth card. |
| 16:11.50 | Azar | hehe some people really think that linux can't be run without windows installed on the PC: KILL dual-boot! http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=31199&messageID=579806&start=43 |
| 16:12.03 | haze76 | wols dont take everything so literally |
| 16:12.21 | valdyn | capiira: yea, suddenly most of my files were gone, tracking sid some lg package did something like rm -r / |
| 16:12.23 | wols_ | haze76: ask a dumb question, get a dumb answer |
| 16:12.24 | enouf | lunitik: i know, but much earlier s.he said testing .. hehe |
| 16:12.32 | capiira | ohh |
| 16:12.52 | wols_ | haze76: so what do you want to do exactly? |
| 16:12.55 | piztek | 3.1 enouf |
| 16:13.10 | wols_ | haze76: the config is stored in .config in your main linux source directory |
| 16:13.19 | piztek | it's sarge |
| 16:13.20 | karsten | Azar: JerryLeeCooper's a well-known, really old, well-done trollbot. |
| 16:13.28 | lunitik | Azar: the last comment is humorous... people that lack a clue shouldn't declare it for the world to see |
| 16:13.30 | piztek | can i just plug this lan in or do i need to configure first? |
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| 16:13.55 | badcfe | wols_: but the settings before i toggle anything -- is that based on detection of my hardware? |
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| 16:13.55 | Azar | lunitik: we can't seriously judge those who really don't know about linux |
| 16:13.57 | wols_ | !tell piztek about man interfaces |
| 16:14.02 | Azar | karsten: ah I see :) |
| 16:14.04 | wols_ | badcfe: no |
| 16:14.38 | lunitik | Azar: I can judge people all I want, it's my right, damnit! :) |
| 16:14.39 | enouf | piztek: then you need to /msg dpkg set up x .. and /msg dpkg install kde .. and follow those instructions to the letter .. but you're not going to get all of kde from CD1 (even if it is the 700MB CD1) .. you likely have the sarge netinstaller though |
| 16:14.44 | badcfe | wols_: so its just static settings shipped with that kernel.. hmm. -- then -- is there some "generic" .config for various kernels available? |
| 16:14.48 | Azar | haze76: no pun intended, your question left me stare a long time.. |
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| 16:15.21 | enouf | !tell piztek -about msg the bot |
| 16:15.27 | valdyn | dpkg: dotfiles ~= s/www.linux.mine.nu/wiki.debian.org/ |
| 16:15.28 | enouf | just in case .. |
| 16:15.31 | wols_ | badcfe: what comes with linux sources is already a generci config. your debian also has a generic config for its install kernels. etc |
| 16:15.35 | piztek | i think if i can configure /etc/network/interfaces before i plug in i have a chance at this working |
| 16:15.37 | valdyn | dpkg: dotfiles =~ s/www.linux.mine.nu/wiki.debian.org/ |
| 16:15.37 | dpkg | valdyn: that doesn't contain 'www.linux.mine.nu' |
| 16:15.44 | valdyn | dpkg: dotfiles =~ s/www.linuks.mine.nu/wiki.debian.org/ |
| 16:15.45 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 16:15.45 | enouf | ok .. gotta go for a while piztek , et al |
| 16:15.49 | valdyn | !dotfiles |
| 16:15.49 | dpkg | i guess dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles |
| 16:16.02 | piztek | so nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:16.03 | capiira | valdyn, sounds like its kinda save to use sid, if wait a few days when a new package appears ?!?! |
| 16:16.21 | piztek | and add what line? |
| 16:16.40 | badcfe | wols_: oh, is there a package just containing the config? my problem is that i downloaded from kernel.org |
| 16:16.56 | valdyn | capiira: well, many problems are hard to know how to fix but do not cause data loss |
| 16:17.03 | wols_ | badcfe: no there is not. but you have a debian kernel. and that one comes with a .config |
| 16:17.09 | wols_ | look in /boot/config* |
| 16:17.10 | lunitik | badcfe: you have no other kernels? /boot/config* is a copy of the file form other kernels, for instance |
| 16:17.24 | valdyn | capiira: in that sense sid is fine as long as you know how to fix an arising problem |
| 16:17.26 | capiira | ah ok |
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| 16:17.46 | piztek | here goes nothing |
| 16:17.47 | piztek | brb |
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| 16:17.57 | lunitik | capiira: I really don't think you should use Sid... at least until LONG after Etch is released (like no less than a month probably) |
| 16:18.02 | badcfe | lunitik, wols_ : yep, but my current kernel is not the same version, and its not recomended to take a config from a nother minur version |
| 16:18.21 | valdyn | dpkg: dotfiles =~ s#debian-faq-wiki/## |
| 16:18.21 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 16:18.24 | wols_ | badcfe: says who? |
| 16:18.25 | valdyn | !dotfiles |
| 16:18.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 16:18.28 | lunitik | badcfe: umm... why? |
| 16:18.37 | wols_ | badcfe: you know about make oldconfig, do you? |
| 16:18.50 | wols_ | lunitik: despairing |
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| 16:19.12 | badcfe | lunitik, wols_ : seems i should first install the unpatched kernel in the deb way, and the do my patching and the cp the config i got from the debian kernel package to my patched kernel tree as startingpoint for a make menuconfig |
| 16:19.18 | capiira | they will flood sid with broken packages, right? |
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| 16:19.33 | wols_ | badcfe: no |
| 16:19.49 | lunitik | Menuconfig gives a crap about previous configurations? |
| 16:20.04 | wols_ | badcfe: if you patch the kernel, start with kernel.org source. the tar.bz2 |
| 16:20.05 | lunitik | capiira: not on purpose, but most likely ;P |
| 16:20.10 | capiira | heeh |
| 16:20.16 | wols_ | patch, run menuconfig, kernel-package and install the mess |
| 16:20.28 | badcfe | wols_: yes, but just to get a good starting point for the .config .. |
| 16:20.34 | wols_ | lunitik: if you copy a former config to the right place, it's happy to use it |
| 16:21.10 | lunitik | wols_: right place being the base of the kernel's source dir? |
| 16:21.20 | wols_ | yes. name being .config |
| 16:21.26 | wols_ | whatever is int here, menuconfig shows |
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| 16:21.53 | lunitik | wols_: I've done that before... and seemed to do nothing... weird |
| 16:22.02 | wols_ | badcfe: them copy your old config to the vanill source tree and run oldconfig then menuconfig |
| 16:22.17 | capiira | then let me do a list of pro and cons of kde vs gnome and decide for a desktop |
| 16:22.42 | lunitik | capiira: there are pro's to Gnome? |
| 16:22.48 | badcfe | wols_: and i should install the kernel _with_ sources then. actually i want 2.6.16 .. |
| 16:22.49 | haze76 | wols: I don't know exactly by what process Debian autoconfigures the kernel, if it does such a thing. That was what I meant. I am not an expert on Linux, but not a newbie neither. I do arts, not programming, although I have beein doing computers for 17 years. that is why sometimes my questions seem dumb |
| 16:22.57 | capiira | yeah gtk apps looks like to work better there |
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| 16:23.13 | lunitik | capiira: umm... no |
| 16:23.17 | haze76 | wols: I assume Debian saves this initial autoconfiguration to a file that can be loaded into menuconfig. Am I right? |
| 16:23.29 | capiira | firefox for example depends of gtk-engine in kde |
| 16:23.33 | badcfe | wols_: lunitik, wols_: i seem to see how doin it. thanks. |
| 16:23.34 | wols_ | haze76: /boot/config-* for every debian kernel |
| 16:23.35 | lunitik | capiira: apt-cache show gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ... |
| 16:23.38 | haze76 | wols: i need to load this autoconfiguration that gets saved somewhere into menuconfig to use as a starting point |
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| 16:23.50 | wols_ | haze76: I just told badcfe how to do it |
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| 16:23.57 | haze76 | wols: ok thanks a lot |
| 16:24.16 | wols_ | haze76: and you dont want to use menconfig. first use oldconfig, then menconfig |
| 16:24.28 | badcfe | now my problem is that apt-cache (an etch) shows me no 2.6.16 kernel. |
| 16:24.52 | lunitik | badcfe: you don't like 2.6.18? |
| 16:24.55 | wols_ | cause there is no such kernel in etch |
| 16:24.57 | wols_ | only 2.6.18 |
| 16:24.58 | badcfe | so then i am forced to copy a "old" .config from a different version of my 2.6.16 kernel patch ... |
| 16:25.07 | wols_ | badcfe: no you are not |
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| 16:25.21 | wols_ | you can use a debian .config if you want |
| 16:25.42 | wols_ | lunitik: I think Xen users really like 2.6.16 |
| 16:25.44 | haze76 | wols: thank you very much. |
| 16:25.53 | lunitik | wols_: any particular reason? |
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| 16:26.27 | haze76 | hmmm :-) so cedega is available for free on Debian? I like that spirit. |
| 16:26.29 | capiira | lunitik, for example when i move the firefox scrollbar in kde a strange line beside the scrollbar appears |
| 16:26.42 | wols_ | lunitik: no clue, don't use xen. maybe its patches are only stable for 2.6.16? |
| 16:26.52 | lunitik | capiira: there are fixes for that, although I don't know if it's in the Debian package |
| 16:26.54 | badcfe | wols_: so where, then, do i get a nice starting point for a .config for a 2.6.16 on etch? |
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| 16:27.02 | capiira | or the close button image of a tab is wrong placed |
| 16:27.07 | wols_ | badcfe: /boot/config-2.6.18-4 |
| 16:27.21 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 16:27.29 | badcfe | wols_: but then i copy a config from a different kernel version |
| 16:27.33 | lunitik | capiira: strange reason to choose a desktop... based on a desktop agnostic browser |
| 16:27.37 | wols_ | badcfe: yes |
| 16:27.40 | capiira | heh |
| 16:27.45 | badcfe | wols_: wich is not recomended |
| 16:27.48 | capiira | nah just a little con |
| 16:28.10 | wols_ | badcfe: you're another of those guys who don't read what people type? Why are you even asking for help then? |
| 16:28.10 | h3sp4wn | wols_: xen only supports with its official patchset (2.6.16) the rest of them are based on forward ports done by fedora (hence the reason the debian 2.6.18-4 became pae when 18-3 wasn't) |
| 16:28.23 | capiira | and then stuff flickers all the time is a little bit disturbing to |
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| 16:28.45 | capiira | i mean when you open a menu etc. |
| 16:28.51 | lunitik | capiira: that's almost certainly X's fault... |
| 16:29.12 | lunitik | capiira: uhh... nm, but I don't see that |
| 16:29.20 | badcfe | wols_: im sorry if i have missed something of your typing |
| 16:29.49 | capiira | i think its their refresh algorithm |
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| 16:30.15 | lunitik | badcfe: several people have told you there is nothing wrong with using old .config files... and you're holding firm to this being an unrecommended practice.... it's simply not true |
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| 16:30.55 | capiira | yeah not true :) |
| 16:31.06 | badcfe | wols_: guess ill just copy the config from my 2.6.18 to my 2.6.16 build. its the doc of the patch im applying that says its not recommended to take a config from another kernel version. |
| 16:31.47 | valdyn | badcfe: you take it and run 'make oldconfig', nothing wrong with that |
| 16:31.52 | wols_ | badcfe: there is something called "make oldconfig". comes with evrey kernel since 2.0 or so |
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| 16:32.32 | Mrdini | yo all |
| 16:33.13 | Mrdini | if I'm getting "cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" even though the required libs ARE in my path, what should I look for now...? |
| 16:33.17 | lunitik | Mrdini: yoyo's are fun! |
| 16:33.18 | capiira | lunitik, is that gnome guy paid by ubuntu? |
| 16:33.26 | Mrdini | luni, :P |
| 16:33.31 | wols_ | Mrdini: ran ldconfig? |
| 16:33.32 | valdyn | Mrdini: when doing what? |
| 16:33.50 | lunitik | capiira: yes... |
| 16:33.54 | Mrdini | oh |
| 16:33.58 | valdyn | Mrdini: required libs have nothing to do with $PATH |
| 16:34.00 | Mrdini | ldconfig did the trick, heh |
| 16:34.51 | Mrdini | thanks! |
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| 16:35.57 | kjxxxx | what's the command to see the various partitions and if swap is being used |
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| 16:36.20 | lunitik | It's the only major project in Debian that isn't maintained by a team as far as I know |
| 16:36.32 | valdyn | lunitik: it isnt? |
| 16:36.35 | capiira | lunitik, how is the kde situation in debian ? |
| 16:36.38 | dkr | kjxxxx: mount or df will show mounted partitions... |
| 16:36.40 | petemc | kjxxxx: df -h for partitions, free or vmstat for swap |
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| 16:36.48 | kjxxxx | thanks |
| 16:36.48 | valdyn | lunitik: it's been a gnome team for a long time |
| 16:36.57 | lunitik | valdyn: most all Gnome packages are maintained by Jordi or Sabastien as far as I can see? |
| 16:36.58 | capiira | looks like things appears faster for kde |
| 16:36.59 | dkr | kjxxxx: fdisk -l /dev/hda will list partitions on hda |
| 16:36.59 | dog | hi |
| 16:37.25 | dog | can someone tell me how can i mount a partition without filesystem? |
| 16:38.04 | lunitik | capiira: fairly good... very vanilla though, as is gnome |
| 16:38.05 | wols_ | dog: nonsensical |
| 16:38.05 | lunitik | dog: put a filesystem on it? |
| 16:38.05 | valdyn | lunitik: 4998 N Mar 18 Loic Minier (5,0K) Accepted epiphany-browser 2.18.0-2 (source i386 all) |
| 16:38.05 | valdyn | lunitik: and that guy |
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| 16:38.32 | dog | can i do it without put a filesystem or not? |
| 16:38.33 | dkr | dog: you can write directly to a partition without a filesystem... echo hi >/dev/hda1 I don't advise it, though. :) |
| 16:38.34 | valdyn | lunitik: and Josselin Mouett |
| 16:38.41 | wols_ | dog: no you cannot |
| 16:38.48 | lunitik | valdyn: and Marco Cabizza |
| 16:38.49 | dog | ok, thanks |
| 16:38.52 | valdyn | lunitik: and they are maintaining like 3 releases atm |
| 16:39.03 | lunitik | valdyn: it's not a team... it's maintainers of different packages |
| 16:39.09 | dog | it's a new thing that i know |
| 16:39.15 | dog | bie bie |
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| 16:39.20 | Thms | sid != experimental yes or no ? |
| 16:39.23 | GiabboO | hey wols_ |
| 16:39.27 | lunitik | Thms: yes |
| 16:39.29 | Ronin | Thms: no, sid unstable |
| 16:39.33 | GiabboO | i installed the Kmuto |
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| 16:39.41 | Thms | okay thanks |
| 16:39.46 | GiabboO | but after installation util i reboot and voila |
| 16:39.47 | lunitik | Thms: Experimental is for things too broken for Sid |
| 16:39.49 | Ronin | wouldnt experimental be the next stet up? |
| 16:39.55 | Ronin | damn fingers |
| 16:39.58 | GiabboO | i dont have my Sata drives |
| 16:40.00 | GiabboO | :S |
| 16:40.07 | valdyn | lunitik: well, i would say its probably a team as different versions of same packages are uploaded by different people |
| 16:40.08 | GiabboO | how do I find wich modules to use in the kernel ? |
| 16:40.09 | Thms | lunitik: I can install a debian etch and a debian experimental on the same disk with grub |
| 16:40.16 | lunitik | Ronin: yes... somewhat, although most things skip experimental |
| 16:40.21 | capiira | but yet its for things that cant joint unstable or testing too? |
| 16:40.21 | Thms | lunitik: is there mirrors for experimental ? |
| 16:40.24 | xinming | hmm, will ~/.profile be ignored in debian? |
| 16:40.32 | capiira | -t lol |
| 16:40.33 | lunitik | Thms: I don't think so |
| 16:40.35 | Thms | xinming: no |
| 16:40.36 | Ronin | Thms: why? you dont really want to run it do you? |
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| 16:40.45 | h3sp4wn | Thms: experimental is not a complete distro anyway |
| 16:40.49 | Thms | Ronin: I want a stable and a experimental |
| 16:40.54 | Thms | h3sp4wn: okay thanks |
| 16:40.59 | h3sp4wn | Thms: you have to run unstable/experimental |
| 16:41.40 | Thms | h3sp4wn: is there many differences betwin etch & unstable for xchat, gnome, gaim, gimp ? |
| 16:41.41 | xinming | Thms: hmm, May I know how to setup env in X then? I don't mean for bash, What I mean is for the whole gnome session start from gdm |
| 16:41.45 | Thms | lunitik: why ? |
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| 16:41.54 | xinming | Thms: I've added .xinitrc and .xsession. |
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| 16:42.00 | xinming | Thms: But not works. |
| 16:42.11 | valdyn | xinming: i gave you a wrong url earlier, did you find the right faq page? |
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| 16:42.23 | xinming | I have a file contains many env to load before entering gnome session |
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| 16:42.38 | Ronin | Thms: you do know that even if you get it installed theres no #debian that will likely help you when it breaks |
| 16:42.39 | xinming | valdyn: Here, I can't open it, And then, I googled again. |
| 16:42.41 | valdyn | xinming: hows your X started? |
| 16:42.56 | capiira | thm i think using a package like xchat from experimental would be ok |
| 16:42.56 | Thms | yes Ronin I know |
| 16:43.06 | Thms | xinming: it should works usually |
| 16:43.10 | ashmawy__ | and when i dmesg i get debbie:/mnt# dmesg | tail |
| 16:43.10 | ashmawy__ | ipw2100: disagrees about version of symbol ieee80211_set_geo |
| 16:43.10 | ashmawy__ | ipw2100: Unknown symbol ieee80211_set_geo |
| 16:43.10 | ashmawy__ | ipw2100: disagrees about version of symbol ieee80211_rx |
| 16:43.10 | ashmawy__ | ipw2100: Unknown symbol ieee80211_rx |
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| 16:43.10 | xinming | valdyn: via gdm |
| 16:43.28 | valdyn | xinming: ok, as the default session or is gnome picked explicitely |
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| 16:43.38 | xinming | Thms: But not works. I have a export TEST_ENV=1 line in both file. |
| 16:44.01 | Thms | xinming: and /etc/X11/Xsession ? |
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| 16:44.03 | valdyn | xinming: its imperative that you use the default session as only that one is user - configurable |
| 16:44.09 | lunitik | Thms: you really ought to just pin things from experimental as wanted.... rather than using every package from experimental... more headaches than it's worth |
| 16:44.21 | bzed | !tell ashmawy__ about paste |
| 16:44.27 | Thms | okay lunitik |
| 16:44.34 | Azar | wtf? from "founder" he gets called "THE LEAD developer of the Debian Linux project" !!! |
| 16:44.41 | valdyn | ashmawy__: uname -r |
| 16:44.42 | kjxxxx | I had created a swap partition that didn't seem like it was being used and I thought it might have been because it was not formated |
| 16:44.47 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: You don't need to pin as it has a priority of 1 anyway (unless changed) |
| 16:44.47 | jazzK | hi all ! i got a ungoogle problem. when i lock session with whatever, and try to unlock, my pass fails ! |
| 16:45.02 | Thms | xinming: what do you really want to do ? |
| 16:45.05 | xinming | Thms: I'm trying to avoid touch the system created by dpkg. |
| 16:45.18 | valdyn | xinming: answer the quesetion please... |
| 16:45.34 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: uhh... not last time I used it.... |
| 16:45.37 | xinming | Thms: Ok, I wish to export a env, let's say, GTK_IM_MODULE |
| 16:45.48 | Azar | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38344 Debian man runs to Sun < someone from community slap this article |
| 16:45.56 | xinming | But I don't wish to edit the file within etc. |
| 16:46.19 | lunitik | Azar: I'm pretty sure no one reads the Inquirer |
| 16:46.20 | xinming | I just wish to edit the file localted in my $HOME folder. |
| 16:46.26 | valdyn | geez |
| 16:46.42 | valdyn | xinming: in gdm you can pick sessions, which one did you pick? |
| 16:46.51 | Ronin | Azar: why? its the electronic version of teh national inquirer |
| 16:47.01 | xinming | And I want all the X app can see the env I set. |
| 16:47.06 | ashmawy__ | valdyn: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 16:47.23 | valdyn | ashmawy__: why are you compiling the ipw2100 extra? its already included in that kernel? |
| 16:47.51 | Azar | but, despite the fact that the author never bothered to use a spellchecker, is mistating the facts about Ian |
| 16:48.05 | ashmawy__ | valdyn: i am just following the manual , then what should i do instead ? |
| 16:48.09 | Ronin | Azar: so then bitch to them |
| 16:48.15 | valdyn | ashmawy__: you remove that ipw2100 package |
| 16:48.21 | capiira | is he not going to sun ? |
| 16:48.29 | valdyn | ashmawy__: a working driver is already part of 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 16:48.35 | Ronin | capiira: he is |
| 16:48.35 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: been like that for a reasonably long time - http://pastebin.ca/403770 (as its priority 1 it won't install from it automatically0 |
| 16:48.38 | lunitik | capiira: he is... although he hasn't been really involved in Debian since 97 or so |
| 16:48.47 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 16:48.50 | valdyn | ashmawy__: the only thing you need to do beside loading that driver is grabbing the firmware file and putting it into /lib/firmware/ |
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| 16:49.30 | ashmawy_ | valdyn: i am sorry dc, the package and the firmware ? |
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| 16:49.31 | amee2k | how can i get a list of all X servers and displays running on my machine? |
| 16:49.37 | JordiGH | Is it possible that this Ubuntu bug also affects Debian? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/22336 |
| 16:49.40 | xinming | valdyn: GNOME |
| 16:49.42 | valdyn | ashmawy_: package? |
| 16:49.44 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: seems both packages have the same priority....... |
| 16:49.47 | valdyn | xinming: use the default session |
| 16:49.57 | valdyn | xinming: only then your ~/.xsession file will be read |
| 16:50.11 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: ? etch has 500 - experimental has 1 |
| 16:50.17 | valdyn | xinming: put 'exec gnome-session' as _last_ line in that file |
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| 16:50.51 | ashmawy_ | valdyn: i installed ipw2100.deb and the firmware i copied it into a directory so i can modprobe it. u r telling me to remove it . which ? the package or the firmware ? |
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| 16:51.01 | valdyn | ashmawy_: remove the ipw2100 deb |
| 16:51.16 | valdyn | ashmawy_: you already had the driver, a working one |
| 16:51.21 | amee2k | any hints? |
| 16:51.30 | valdyn | ashmawy_: leave the firmware alone since you already copied it over |
| 16:51.45 | ashmawy_ | valdyn: and after i do that , it should modprobe successfully ? |
| 16:51.49 | tdn | I am trying to install Debian stable from a netinst-image. It cannot detect my Intel Pro/1000 PT Server Adapter. Shouldn't this be detected to use the e1000 module? |
| 16:51.52 | valdyn | ashmawy_: try and see |
| 16:51.53 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: ahh... I was looking at the epox or whatever |
| 16:52.00 | valdyn | !find ipw2100.ko etch |
| 16:52.09 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: locally installed packages have a priority of 100 so therefore nothing would ever get pulled in from experimental (unless explicitly asked for) |
| 16:52.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ipw2100.ko' (3 of 17): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/contrib/ipw2100/ipw2100.ko) in contrib/admin/ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/contrib/ipw2100/ipw2100.ko) in contrib/admin/ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-4-486. |
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| 16:52.37 | Ind[y] | This --> http://apache.pastebin.ca/403756 is my .htaccess but when I try to access the directory with this .htaccess from localhost, or from a LAN IP, it doesn't deny access. What can I do? |
| 16:52.43 | ashmawy_ | valdyn: synaptic is listing 2 ipw2100s. ipw2100-source and ipw2100-module . should i remove both ? |
| 16:52.59 | ashmawy_ | valdyn: and the same for ieee80211 |
| 16:53.05 | valdyn | ashmawy_: you dont need either, only ipw2100-module is hurting you atm |
| 16:53.12 | valdyn | ashmawy_: same for ieee80211 |
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| 16:53.55 | s-specialists | Im running Debian Sarge and am trying to install mysql-devel, its telling me package mysql-devel has no installation candidate.. |
| 16:54.07 | s-specialists | Does anyone know what that means exactly.. perhaps i need to edit my source.list but Im not sure. |
| 16:54.25 | bzed | tdn: install etch (i'd recommend that) or use an unofficial installer from.... |
| 16:54.28 | capiira | bbl ciao |
| 16:54.33 | bzed | !tell tdn about sarge 2.6.20 |
| 16:54.40 | JordiGH | Ah, reading the same thread, I see that the kernel bug that overheats the CPU is apparently Ubuntu only. Whew! I can't be blamed for the destruction of girlfriend's lappy. :-) |
| 16:54.42 | bzed | !tell tdn about etch |
| 16:55.05 | tdn | bzed, where do I get an installcd for etch? |
| 16:55.22 | bzed | tdn: look what dpkg told you |
| 16:55.35 | jazzK | how i see the locales than i have configured, but without "generating locales .." |
| 16:55.42 | bzed | JordiGH: a serious laptop will shutdown before the cpu overheats |
| 16:55.53 | ayam | JordiGH: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/22336/comments/39 |
| 16:55.59 | ashmawy_ | valdyn: ok i am getting the same error but b4 the FATAL one there are 2 warnings ? |
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| 16:56.11 | lunitik | !b4 |
| 16:56.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, b4 is try "before", dude. B4 I17 N34 G58 O69 .... BINGO! |
| 16:56.27 | s-specialists | Anyone? |
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| 16:56.58 | JordiGH | bzed: Well, according to Dell tech support, this baby overheated and died. We were using Debian on it at the time (which btw, did have the benefit of making battery power last 2 hours instead of 40 minutes as it did under Windows; this is a known XP bug.) |
| 16:57.25 | JordiGH | bzed: But again, it looks like I can't be blamed for forcing my liberal tree-hugging Debian hippie crap on my girlfriend. |
| 16:57.29 | tdn | bzed, thanks. |
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| 16:57.35 | Azar | s-specialists: you can look to see if the stable repositories contain your package with : apt-cache search "packagename" (if you spell it right, or is the correct name) |
| 16:57.44 | tdn | bzed, are you sure it works on the etch kernel? |
| 16:58.02 | bzed | tdn: to 99.9% |
| 16:58.18 | bzed | JordiGH: I'd still blame Dell for that. every serious computer just shuts down before anything breaks |
| 16:58.18 | tdn | bzed, ok. Thanks. |
| 16:58.34 | octoberdan | What configures packages for dpkg? |
| 16:58.38 | octoberdan | is it seperate from dpkg? |
| 16:58.40 | JordiGH | bzed: Good, my girlfriend blames Dell too. She says she'll never buy from them again. :-) |
| 16:58.44 | lunitik | octoberdan: debconf |
| 16:58.48 | bzed | JordiGH: good idea |
| 16:58.50 | octoberdan | lunitik: Thanks |
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| 16:58.59 | JordiGH | In her own words, "Dells are made to break within two years." |
| 16:59.06 | lunitik | octoberdan: which you access via dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:59.24 | cydork | JordiGH: add acer to the list too :) |
| 16:59.32 | petemc | JordiGH: that would be odd considering a lot of dell machines come with a 3 year warranty |
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| 17:00.00 | s-specialists | Azar : Im unable apt-cache does not find mysql-devel. |
| 17:00.03 | s-specialists | Suggestions? |
| 17:00.03 | Azar | petemc: that warranty is a sham if you replace the OS or make any modifications.. |
| 17:00.10 | JordiGH | cydork: What's left? I want a lappy with one of them intel chipsets on which I can run Beryl seamlessly. |
| 17:00.11 | egypcio | cydork, acer breaks in 1year =x |
| 17:00.17 | xinming | valdyn: hmm, Is there a way to fallback to the system configuration, because I don't want to write gnome-session at last line. |
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| 17:00.21 | wols_ | there are no "-devel" packages in debian. this is not RH |
| 17:00.22 | petemc | Azar: eh? no its not.. |
| 17:00.24 | octoberdan | lunitik: Thank you for the help |
| 17:00.27 | xinming | valdyn: here is a problem if I do this. |
| 17:00.30 | wols_ | !tell s-specialists abour search |
| 17:01.13 | cydork | egypcio: heh .. |
| 17:01.14 | JordiGH | What's the Debian laptop? Girlfriend wants me to install Debian on the new laptop. :-) |
| 17:01.14 | bzed | JordiGH: jsut isntall etch |
| 17:01.14 | ashmawy | valdyn: any other suggestions ? |
| 17:01.14 | xinming | valdyn: eg. when you changed a desktop environment, and then, you have to edit the file yourself. |
| 17:01.14 | s-specialists | Well, Im trying to compile zabbix and its lookign for mysql.h and not finding it. Zabbix says to install the mysql devel package. |
| 17:01.14 | Azar | s-specialists: I am not aware about the mysql-devel package but you could google "mysql-devel for Debian Sarge" see if it comes up with something or the correct name... then do again a search for it |
| 17:01.16 | JordiGH | bzed: Yes, of course, but what laptops are good for Debian? Seeing how she's not buying Dell anymore... |
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| 17:01.37 | xinming | valdyn: certainly for enable the env. and then, the session dialog is useless for me. |
| 17:01.38 | bzed | JordiGH: good old IBM thinkpads are GREAT |
| 17:01.40 | cydork | s-specialists: apt-cache search libmysql then look for -dev package i guess. |
| 17:01.46 | xinming | valdyn: I don't wish to edit the config file all the time. |
| 17:01.49 | wols_ | s-specialists: dpkg told you what to do |
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| 17:02.08 | JordiGH | The thinkpads have free drivers? Can they do Beryl? |
| 17:02.13 | s-specialists | wols_ : you're right.. I guess I didnt understand the wording. |
| 17:02.24 | wols_ | s-specialists: do you now? |
| 17:02.25 | bzed | JordiGH: I think the lenovo thinkpads are not as rock solid as the IBM ones, but they're ok. |
| 17:02.28 | s-specialists | Yep. |
| 17:02.34 | s-specialists | The following packages 'replace' it. |
| 17:02.35 | s-specialists | Thanks guys. |
| 17:02.36 | JordiGH | Is IBM still making thinkpads? I thought they had left the market. |
| 17:02.38 | s-specialists | I'll go from here. |
| 17:02.48 | wols_ | JordiGH: depends ont he thinkpads... with intel graphics they can. with R300 based ati, too |
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| 17:02.52 | ayam | s-specialists: libmysqlclient14-dev |
| 17:02.55 | wols_ | JordiGH: they aren't |
| 17:03.18 | JordiGH | wols_: They aren't what? Out of the market? |
| 17:03.30 | wols_ | they aren't making anymore thinkpads. lenovo is instead |
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| 17:04.01 | wols_ | but then. they were always produced in asia and not by IBM |
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| 17:04.26 | xinming | valdyn: hmm, I think we can't reach there without patch the file in /etc/X11 |
| 17:04.28 | xinming | valdyn: thanks |
| 17:04.42 | ayam | macbookpro with triple boot : winxp, macosx and of course etch |
| 17:04.53 | s-specialists | ayam : thats what I installed, worked. thanks. |
| 17:05.24 | wols_ | JordiGH: actually a macbook isn't the worst choice |
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| 17:05.37 | wols_ | costs a bit more than a "normal" notebook but not much I'd say |
| 17:05.40 | JordiGH | wols_: Apple uses nvidia... :-/ |
| 17:05.50 | wols_ | on macbooks? |
| 17:05.53 | bzed | JordiGH: thinkpads were built by lenovo for IBM, but IBM has sold the PC stuff to lenovo |
| 17:06.01 | wols_ | MBP uses ati x1600 (no free drivers either of course) |
| 17:06.02 | JordiGH | I'm pretty sure they do... I don't think macbooks have free drivers. |
| 17:06.06 | fedx_ | how do i get iceweasel to report that i'm on a powerpc... it keeps telling websites that i'm an x86 box (and i'm not) |
| 17:06.10 | wols_ | in macbooks it's intel integrated |
| 17:06.36 | s-specialists | sweet, zabbix installed from source. |
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| 17:06.40 | wols_ | JordiGH: you are mistaken imho |
| 17:06.40 | aim1159 | fedx_: you are. |
| 17:06.41 | s-specialists | Wonderful .. Thanks everyone. |
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| 17:06.54 | fedx_ | aim1159: no i'm not. i'm running it remotly via x11 |
| 17:07.36 | JordiGH | wols_: But MacOS X... You want my girlfriend to feel the pull of the fruit? It's gonna be hard to convince her to keep using Debian after she uses MacOS X; it'll take some proselytising on my part. |
| 17:07.43 | wols_ | bzed: I don't think lenovo actually built them. more like quanta or whoever did |
| 17:08.19 | bzed | wols_: no, they were built by lenovo, that's why IBM sold the stuiff to them |
| 17:08.58 | wols_ | JordiGH: and she does a better job at it than you do |
| 17:08.58 | JordiGH | Oh, crap... "Lenovo recommends Windows Vista? Home Premium for personal computing." |
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| 17:09.25 | bzed | JordiGH: lenovo is a microsoft ass kisser |
| 17:09.30 | wols_ | JordiGH: you can't get big advertising bucks from Debian for putting such an endorsement on the site |
| 17:09.44 | wols_ | besides: any notebook you buy except OSX will come with a Vista license. no way around that |
| 17:10.16 | JordiGH | I thought there were smaller manufacturers who would give you GNU/Linux laptops... |
| 17:10.21 | ashmawy_ | anyone can help me guys with my wireless problem ? |
| 17:10.22 | fedx_ | is there a channel for iceweasel? |
| 17:10.45 | JordiGH | fedx_: Probably this one... what about iceweasel? |
| 17:10.49 | wols_ | ashmawy_: why would anyone since you ignore people who help you when they don't tell you what you want to hear? |
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| 17:11.40 | fedx_ | JordiGH: the question above... logged into a ppc based machine and running iceweasel via xorg... the browser tells the website that i'm on an x86 machine... that's true, but the browser is actually on a powerpc machine |
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| 17:12.07 | Thms | is it normal when I reboot my PC when gdm starts, like 10 seconds if I don't touch anything my screen shutdown ? |
| 17:12.08 | JordiGH | fedx_: Oh, wait.. That's because you're not running the ppc Iceweasel... |
| 17:12.22 | ashmawy_ | wols_: i dont , my DSL disconncets from time to time so sometimes i am listed in the channel but actually i am not here |
| 17:12.29 | fedx_ | JordiGH: yes i am |
| 17:12.50 | ashmawy_ | wols_: when dont i want to hear ? |
| 17:13.03 | JordiGH | fedx_: Are you sure? Is it the only Iceweasel? |
| 17:13.06 | ashmawy_ | what* |
| 17:13.25 | JordiGH | fedx_: If you have a local one open and you try to open one remotely, you will probably end up opening another local window. |
| 17:13.42 | wols_ | ashmawy_: valdyn already told you |
| 17:13.43 | fedx_ | JordiGH: no it's the only copy. i run firefox on the local machine (slackware) |
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| 17:14.01 | ashmawy_ | wols_: yep and it didnt work ... |
| 17:14.16 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 17:14.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:14.25 | bzed | fedx_: I guess the browser will just ask you X what it is running on |
| 17:15.08 | Thms | is it normal when I reboot my PC when gdm starts, like 10 seconds if I don't touch anything my screen shutdown ? |
| 17:15.09 | plutonas | how could i see a fortune-message every time i log in |
| 17:15.11 | plutonas | ??? |
| 17:15.19 | bzed | fedx_: also if you're runnign firefox from a remote machine and there was still a FF running on your local machine it'll just start a new window of the FF on your local machine |
| 17:15.42 | JordiGH | fedx_: That sounds strange... If you run the slackware Firefox and then you X-forward an Iceweasel, it works seamlessly? Normally it would open another Slackware iceweasel instead, since it'll check your X-server first for local Iceweasels. |
| 17:16.02 | JordiGH | fedx_: At any rate, we can probably find something about browser identification in about:config. Let's dig around! |
| 17:16.26 | ashmawy_ | wols_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5762 |
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| 17:17.39 | plutonas | anybody? i think slack has that by default, but can't find out how it works there... |
| 17:18.08 | wols_ | ashmawy_: check if this ipw2100 has the same time/date as the other modules |
| 17:18.35 | ashmawy_ | wols_: what other modules ? |
| 17:18.44 | wols_ | ashmawy_: your other kernel modules |
| 17:18.45 | bzed | doesn't debian ship ipw2100 modules in etch? |
| 17:18.47 | eyeris | I installed the awstats package, which puts a crontab file in /etc/cron.d/awstats but cron doesn't seem to be running the commands in that file. Why would that be? |
| 17:19.08 | angor | when is debian 4.x comming out= |
| 17:19.26 | eyeris | angor "when it is ready" is the mantra. |
| 17:19.34 | wols_ | !find ieee80211.ko etch |
| 17:19.39 | angor | for real an estmated time? |
| 17:19.44 | eyeris | angor if you want predictable releases, get ubuntu. |
| 17:19.47 | lunaphyte_ | when i do something like dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hdb , how does dd know when to stop writing if the input data is a special file like that without a file size? |
| 17:19.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ieee80211.ko' (3 of 10): (/usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.18/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in misc/user-mode-linux ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-486. |
| 17:19.54 | eyeris | angor or just run the unstable dist |
| 17:19.59 | ashmawy_ | wols_: can u tell me what to type to find the other kernel modules |
| 17:20.15 | wols_ | ashmawy_: ls and cd |
| 17:20.16 | cydork | eyeris: dont recommend unstable to anyone! |
| 17:20.20 | angor | i was just wondering when is 4 comming out |
| 17:20.28 | cydork | angor: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 17:20.28 | angor | im downloading sarge 3.1 as we speak |
| 17:20.32 | wols_ | they're in the same place as ll other modules |
| 17:20.39 | abrotman | lunaphyte_: when it gets to the end of the device |
| 17:20.41 | eyeris | cydork why not? |
| 17:20.55 | wols_ | eyeris: cause it breaks and is unstable? |
| 17:21.05 | eyeris | wols_ I run it just fine :/ |
| 17:21.07 | cydork | eyeris: coz it is "unstable!" |
| 17:21.08 | JordiGH | fedx_: In about:config in iceweasel, what do you see if you put useragent in the filter? |
| 17:21.18 | wols_ | eyeris: but you are "special" |
| 17:21.18 | lunaphyte_ | i see. |
| 17:21.35 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:21.40 | HardDisk_WP | I have a quicktime movie... |
| 17:21.58 | HardDisk_WP | VLC/MPlayer/mencoder can't read/convert it, but Noatun can. |
| 17:21.58 | wols_ | !tell HardDisk_WP about dmm |
| 17:22.04 | HardDisk_WP | How can I convert this video? |
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| 17:22.15 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, i use dmm already |
| 17:22.16 | bzed | ashmawy_: did you probably build your own kernel? |
| 17:22.33 | eyeris | !tell me about dmm |
| 17:22.37 | wols_ | bzed: he runs 2.6.18-4, so it's unlikely |
| 17:22.45 | JordiGH | fedx_: You can also add a new general.useragent.override and have Iceweasel tell them that it's the FurryFandom browser running on a VAX or whatever. |
| 17:22.48 | ashmawy_ | bzed: nope |
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| 17:23.34 | ashmawy_ | wols_: what is the dir i can find the other kernel modules ? |
| 17:24.17 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.27 | bzed | ashmawy_: hmm, modprobe is looking for the modules at the wrong place: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5762 |
| 17:24.46 | bzed | ashmawy_: did you allready try to run depmod -a ? |
| 17:25.00 | wols_ | bzed: my guess is ipw2100 was overwritten by that ipw2100.deb he installed |
| 17:25.07 | ashmawy_ | bzed: nope i didnt, ill try it now |
| 17:25.23 | bzed | wols_: i guess that was not an official one? |
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| 17:25.48 | wols_ | bzed: no clue actually |
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| 17:26.10 | eyeris | JordiGH are you running Ubuntu? Mine doens't say Ubuntu servers |
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| 17:26.21 | JordiGH | eyeris: I'm running Debian. |
| 17:26.21 | bzed | ashmawy_: did you install ipw2100-modules-2.6-686 or something like that? or where was that ipw module from? |
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| 17:26.53 | ashmawy_ | bzed: i tried depmod -a , should i do something after trying it ? |
| 17:27.03 | bzed | ashmawy_: modprobe ipw2100 |
| 17:27.04 | ashmawy_ | bzed: yes i did , and then i removed it |
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| 17:27.08 | JordiGH | eyeris: Xchat version: Installed: 2.6.8-0.3 |
| 17:27.14 | bzed | ashmawy_: why did you remove it? |
| 17:27.17 | grimboy | Slightly off-topic and directions to an appropriate channel would be fine but other places have ignored me. Does anyone know how to get the mplayer firefox plugin to not automatically start playing when embeded in an <object>? I've tried <param name="autoplay" value="0" /> but it still plays on page load. |
| 17:27.23 | bzed | ashmawy_: and what did you isntall instead? |
| 17:27.36 | wols_ | bzed: cause the kernel already comes with a ipw2100 |
| 17:27.43 | ashmawy_ | bzed: i tried modprobe ipw2100 , and i get the same error |
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| 17:27.47 | bzed | wols_: no, it's in an extra package |
| 17:27.53 | ashmawy_ | bzed: because valdyn told me to |
| 17:27.55 | Welshie | e |
| 17:28.04 | wols_ | !find ipw2100.ko etch |
| 17:28.04 | Welshie | hi o/ |
| 17:28.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ipw2100.ko' (3 of 17): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/contrib/ipw2100/ipw2100.ko) in contrib/admin/ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/contrib/ipw2100/ipw2100.ko) in contrib/admin/ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-4-486. |
| 17:28.14 | bzed | wols_: ipw2100-modules-2.6-.... |
| 17:28.17 | ashmawy_ | bzed: i didnt install anything instead, valdyn told me it already there |
| 17:28.19 | wols_ | bzed: it is? |
| 17:28.21 | Welshie | i have looked, but i cant find what x server driver i need |
| 17:28.34 | wols_ | Welshie: what card/chip do you have? |
| 17:28.48 | Welshie | but forgeting that, can someone help me through from scrratch, getting kde/ gnome up? |
| 17:28.52 | Welshie | nivdia |
| 17:28.57 | Welshie | nv doesnt work |
| 17:28.58 | wols_ | Welshie: nv then |
| 17:29.09 | wols_ | Welshie: what chip exactly? what x server? |
| 17:29.11 | abrotman | vesa work ? |
| 17:29.18 | bzed | wols_: no clue why it is in linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7, but it's not in the other linux-images. there's an extra module package for it. |
| 17:29.43 | Welshie | can i go back to the start though - from a reasonably fresh install of debian (sarge i think) how do i get kde up? |
| 17:29.46 | JordiGH | grimboy: Have you dug around about:config yet? |
| 17:29.56 | ashmawy_ | bzed: should i install it again ? |
| 17:30.01 | wols_ | !tell Welshie about drxx |
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| 17:30.12 | eyeris | !tell me about drxx |
| 17:30.21 | wols_ | !tell eyeris about msg the bot |
| 17:30.29 | JordiGH | Welshie: How did nv fail? What was the error message? Check the log. |
| 17:30.42 | grimboy | JordiGH, I just did a quick filter for mplayer and it doesn't seem to have anything there. |
| 17:30.47 | wols_ | JordiGH: most probably a chip that wasn't out when sarge came out |
| 17:30.48 | tonb | is there command !tell me everything ? :) |
| 17:30.51 | eyeris | haha |
| 17:30.52 | tonb | hey ppl ;> |
| 17:30.53 | Welshie | (EE) no devices detected |
| 17:30.55 | bzed | ashmawy_: let wols_ and me figure out why it is in some packages and why not |
| 17:31.00 | eyeris | Sorry wols_ |
| 17:31.10 | wols_ | bzed: bug I guess |
| 17:31.18 | bzed | wols_: i guess so, too :\ |
| 17:31.21 | wols_ | cause contrib is the proper place: nees non-free firmware |
| 17:31.22 | JordiGH | grimboy: You'll have to be more creative than that. :-) Try object, embed, content, something like that. :P |
| 17:31.54 | ashmawy_ | bzed: ok, ill hang out it here until u do |
| 17:32.00 | bzed | lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/contrib/ipw2100/ipw2100.ko admin/ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-4-686 [contrib] |
| 17:32.00 | bzed | lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:32.21 | Welshie | but if i try vesa, i get screens found but none have usable config |
| 17:32.29 | bzed | wols_: I'll go and check the bugs against the kernel image |
| 17:32.33 | wols_ | Welshie: what chip? |
| 17:32.38 | Welshie | nvidia |
| 17:32.49 | wols_ | what CHIP? |
| 17:32.53 | Welshie | using nv tells me no screens found |
| 17:32.55 | wols_ | did I ask for the chipmaker? |
| 17:32.56 | Welshie | 6800 |
| 17:33.04 | Welshie | geforce |
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| 17:33.54 | wols_ | I'd use etch |
| 17:33.54 | abrotman | the no screens might be a mouse issue |
| 17:34.27 | Welshie | tried different mice configs |
| 17:34.44 | Welshie | how do i use etch? |
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| 17:36.30 | xomhau | hi all |
| 17:36.31 | Welshie | is there any kde program that sets up x? |
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| 17:36.32 | hark | grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log |
| 17:36.32 | Welshie | i didnt have to go through xfree86config or whatever for mandriva or suse |
| 17:36.32 | eyeris | Welshie KDE comes with KControl, which lets you change some X options. However, because KDE uses X, X must be setup initially without KDE. |
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| 17:36.44 | Welshie | ok. im having major dramas with x |
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| 17:37.12 | eyeris | Welshie the installation scripts in the xserver-xorg (I think) package will prompt you for basic information to setup X |
| 17:37.30 | mweichert | does anyone know how to automatically partition the first disk while preseeding partman? Here is what I have so far: http://rafb.net/p/zXgYcD17.html |
| 17:38.10 | eyeris | Welshie what are your difficulties? |
| 17:38.10 | Welshie | couldnt find xserver-xorg package |
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| 17:38.25 | wols_ | Welshie: you run sarge. you run xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:38.27 | Welshie | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 17:38.35 | Welshie | i go through tis |
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| 17:38.51 | hark | Welshie: what's the grep output? |
| 17:39.00 | Welshie | 1 sec |
| 17:39.05 | bzed | ashmawy_: what I guess - you need to test that - is that you need to move away the ipw2100 module which ships with the kernel packge and install the module package |
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| 17:39.42 | hark | ashmawy_: still no wireless? |
| 17:39.45 | ashmawy_ | bzed: how can i remove the ipw2100 module from the kernel ? |
| 17:39.50 | Welshie | vesa syscall generated signal 4 |
| 17:40.01 | Welshie | screens found but none have a usable config |
| 17:40.01 | ashmawy_ | hark: yep |
| 17:40.15 | hark | the firmware alone didn't help? |
| 17:40.16 | bzed | ashmawy_: just mv lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko /root |
| 17:40.22 | bzed | ashmawy_: or something like that |
| 17:40.30 | ashmawy_ | hark: nope , it gave FATAL error |
| 17:40.53 | bzed | hark: there shouldn;t be the same module in 2 packages anyway :\ |
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| 17:41.14 | ashmawy_ | bzed: ok , and then try installing ipw2100-module and modprobing the ipw2100 firmware ? |
| 17:41.44 | bzed | ashmawy_: yes, install ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-4-686, run depmod -a and then try to modprobe it |
| 17:41.54 | kjxxxx | is the /include directory any different from the /usr/src/linux/include? |
| 17:42.04 | ashmawy_ | bzed: ok thanx man , ill try and tell u |
| 17:42.09 | bzed | kjxxxx: there's no /include dir |
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| 17:42.32 | kjxxxx | what's stored in the include dir |
| 17:42.40 | Welshie | k, im going to have another go at config |
| 17:42.40 | PupenoR | Can I have PHP4 applications such as egroupware run with PHP4-cli/CGI and have PHP5 as module while using Debian packages? |
| 17:42.42 | bzed | kjxxxx: in WHICH include dir |
| 17:43.01 | Welshie | should vga be a failsafe? |
| 17:43.06 | kjxxxx | any include? |
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| 17:43.23 | bzed | PupenoR: I guess that hsould work, yes. try to install it by using apt-get -s install, it'll tail you what it should do |
| 17:43.37 | kjxxxx | well /usr/src/linux/include? |
| 17:43.41 | xomhau | my keyboard(usb) don't work when i turn on my computer. i must pull out the cable,then pitch cable to keyboard work.How to fix this problem?anyone tell me pls. |
| 17:44.02 | bzed | kjxxxx: kernel header files. of the kernel you've extracted/linked to /usr/src/linux |
| 17:45.01 | bzed | xomhau: pitch the cable and plug it back in? |
| 17:45.05 | eyeris | Welshie vga should work for most video cards, but it will be worthless to use. |
| 17:45.10 | bzed | xomhau: sounds like a broken cable |
| 17:45.31 | Welshie | i cant ev en get any mode to work :\ |
| 17:45.54 | Welshie | no devices detected |
| 17:46.20 | eyeris | Welshie Is that was xf86config told you? |
| 17:46.24 | Welshie | yup |
| 17:46.27 | Welshie | hang on |
| 17:46.30 | Welshie | yes |
| 17:46.42 | Welshie | xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:46.46 | Welshie | when i try startx |
| 17:47.11 | Welshie | i use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:47.16 | Welshie | then startx, it gives me that message |
| 17:47.28 | eyeris | Run lspci and paste the output to pastebin.ca |
| 17:47.57 | Welshie | its ojn the comp |
| 17:48.11 | bzed | !enter |
| 17:48.11 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 17:48.37 | Welshie | but it mentions vga compatible controller : nvidia corporation: unknown device |
| 17:48.47 | eyeris | Alright. |
| 17:49.08 | Welshie | do i need a driver? |
| 17:49.12 | bzed | yes |
| 17:49.24 | Welshie | sigh. ok |
| 17:49.28 | bzed | not sure if that was included in sarge, though |
| 17:49.34 | bzed | blame nvidia for that |
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| 17:49.38 | eyeris | bzed: was the nv driver in xf86? |
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| 17:49.49 | hark | oh you already pasted it.. |
| 17:49.55 | bzed | eyeris: yes, but I think it doesn't work with recent cards |
| 17:49.59 | bzed | !tell Welshie about nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:50.16 | eyeris | bzed: it works with my FX5200 and my 7600GT. |
| 17:50.19 | hark | Welshie: do you get the same output (the grep one) with the nv driver? |
| 17:50.28 | eyeris | bzed: The xorg one does, anyway. |
| 17:50.47 | bzed | eyeris: which is times newer then the xfree one |
| 17:50.55 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good social bookmarks ? |
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| 17:51.15 | eyeris | xerophyte I use del.icio.us |
| 17:51.19 | bzed | xerophyte: O_o that's #debian, not #bookmarks |
| 17:51.23 | Welshie | lol ok typing that out |
| 17:51.26 | eyeris | xerophyte You are a little off-topic though |
| 17:51.40 | hackmiker | he's making fun of us |
| 17:51.42 | hackmiker | let's get him! |
| 17:51.44 | Welshie | yes |
| 17:51.47 | ashmawy_ | bzed: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5763 |
| 17:51.50 | bzed | Welshie: you can copy and paste it |
| 17:52.06 | xerophyte | eyeris, i know :) its all connected :) anyways i use that too but sometime when i update the bookmark using linux firefox it does not work ? |
| 17:52.30 | ashmawy_ | bzed: it gave another error but not the same one, i think my version of ieee80211 is not agreeing , but i wanted to be sure from u b4 doing anything |
| 17:52.49 | bzed | ashmawy_: when did you do your last apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ? |
| 17:53.07 | ashmawy_ | bzed: 3 days ago |
| 17:53.21 | Azar | gnome officially now under sflc's wing |
| 17:53.39 | bzed | ashmawy_: give it a try again, probably there's just new kernel/module which has those problems fixed |
| 17:53.51 | Welshie | i cant its on the computer - this is laptop |
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| 17:54.11 | Welshie | says package nvidia-kernel-source is not available |
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| 17:54.26 | bzed | Welshie: ah ok, you can split it in single lines if you want. split on && and ; |
| 17:54.28 | Welshie | but is referered to by another package |
| 17:54.48 | Math^ | hello, im trying to install my nvidia, and know from ubuntu to install linux-restricted-modules, but i cant install this in debian? |
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| 17:55.07 | h3sp4wn | Math^: doesn't exist in debian |
| 17:55.16 | Math^ | what solution i need? |
| 17:55.17 | h3sp4wn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:55.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 17:55.33 | bzed | Welshie: you've missed to add the non-free sources to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:55.46 | Math^ | :o |
| 17:55.50 | Welshie | k, how? |
| 17:56.09 | bzed | Welshie: open /etc/apt/sources.list in your favourite editor and add non-free to all lines |
| 17:57.04 | Azar | Welshie: as root user access the /etc/apt/sources.list with an editor and add "non-free contrib" at the end of each source line. then "aptitude update", "aptitude upgrade". Now you are ready to perform the nvidia installation taking the advice of dpkg on this channel: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:57.08 | Welshie | after all lines? i have a commented line, then 3 ones for the cd, then a commented line to security |
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| 17:57.38 | ashmawy_ | bzed: ok i did , and its still giving me the same error |
| 17:58.11 | Azar | Welshie: like so : deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 17:58.25 | Azar | ... just at the end of the line.. |
| 17:58.34 | Welshie | ok, i think i need to add an ftp location |
| 17:58.53 | Azar | Welshie: no, just append the "non-free contrib" at the ends |
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| 17:59.32 | Azar | then save the file, and run aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
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| 17:59.39 | Xintruder2007 | hi |
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| 18:00.11 | Xintruder2007 | what architecture do i need for my system? Intel 2 Duo Processor T7200 2.0 Ghz |
| 18:00.22 | ashmawy__ | bzed: sorry dc |
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| 18:00.28 | wishkah | CTRL+left/right doesn't jump words, it just beeps (both aterm and rxvt, latest xorg, debian etch, WM is dwm) |
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| 18:00.53 | bzed | ashmawy_: what's the output of dpkg -s linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 | grep Version ? |
| 18:00.58 | webustany | hi there |
| 18:00.58 | abrotman | Xintruder2007: i386 or amd64 |
| 18:01.06 | Welshie | couldnt satat source package list |
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| 18:01.13 | Welshie | cdrom |
| 18:01.16 | nm | hi * |
| 18:01.22 | ashmawy__ | bzed: Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-11 |
| 18:01.23 | Xintruder2007 | which would be the right one to install :/ |
| 18:01.24 | webustany | I'm netinstalling etch on a 120 mhz / 12 mb ram laptop. The install just crashed (segfault), but I have access to the console |
| 18:01.30 | webustany | can I relaunch the install process ? |
| 18:01.37 | webustany | it was downloading packages |
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| 18:03.43 | cydork | webustany: hmm i dont know if that's enough may be you can ask #debian-boot on irc.debian.net |
| 18:03.46 | Welshie | ok, iv e done that. the only uncommented line is the sample de ftp you gave |
| 18:03.51 | ashmawy__ | bzed: is this a common thing for this wireless driver , or am i the first one you see that have this problem ? |
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| 18:04.01 | webustany | cydork: anyway, the fact is I can launch the install |
| 18:04.06 | Welshie | coultnt stat source package list |
| 18:04.08 | webustany | but can I launch it again from the console ? |
| 18:04.18 | webustany | if it has crashed ? |
| 18:04.21 | Azar | Welshie: if you got my line add its sister: deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
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| 18:04.43 | bzed | ashmawy_: no, that's just a dumb bug :( |
| 18:04.56 | gmcinnes | any installer gurus here today? |
| 18:05.00 | ashmawy__ | bzed: its so anoying that i have been 5 days trying to work my wireless |
| 18:05.00 | Azar | Welshie: so the first line is deb ftp: and the second is deb-src ftp: |
| 18:05.08 | bzed | !tell gmcinnes about anyone |
| 18:05.17 | tvynr | webustany: I'm afraid I can't contribute to your current task, but you may want to bear in mind that, even if the installer won't run, you can try using Knoppix and debootstrap to set up the system yourself as a last resort. |
| 18:05.31 | ashmawy__ | bzed: ill send a mail to them and see what happens |
| 18:05.32 | Welshie | ok have done# |
| 18:05.38 | Azar | Welshie: you use the stable (sarge) version of Debian? 3.1, or the testing (etch) 4.0 ? |
| 18:05.45 | webustany | tvynr: I can only use floppies... And I've got only one working left :) |
| 18:05.47 | Welshie | 3.1 |
| 18:05.49 | gmcinnes | bzed: thank you. no-one ever talks to me otherwise :) does the new etch rc2 installer have a second stage install? |
| 18:05.55 | bzed | ashmawy_: you can use reportbug on the package |
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| 18:06.01 | Welshie | ive hear its better to use the testing version |
| 18:06.10 | Welshie | after i downloaded and burnt 3 dvd isos |
| 18:06.11 | bzed | gmcinnes: what's a second stage install in your eyes? |
| 18:06.19 | Azar | Welshie: ok now here, in the channel type /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner and apply the long line command it tells you |
| 18:06.20 | cydork | webustany: hmm you should ask #debian-boot they should know better :) |
| 18:06.24 | ashmawy__ | bzed: ok thanx anyway man , i appreciate the help |
| 18:06.46 | gmcinnes | bzed: well you used to have to reboot halfway through the install process, then more packages would be installed and configured |
| 18:06.50 | webustany | cydork: ok, thanks for the help :) |
| 18:07.08 | Welshie | ok. do you think i should have downloaded the etch version all along? |
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| 18:07.59 | Azar | Welshie: nothing is lost, you do your configuration, then later you can upgrade to etch |
| 18:07.59 | gmcinnes | bzed: doesn't seem to need that now. And my preseed file doesn't seem to wokr. |
| 18:08.00 | bzed | ashmawy_: seems the whole ieee stack is somewhat messed up on i386. not sure though. I guess that's worth an important bug. also don't forget to mention that the ipw2100 module is in the kernel AND in the extra package |
| 18:08.00 | gmcinnes | bzed: work, that is. |
| 18:08.00 | bzed | gmcinnes: yes, it's all done from within the installer now |
| 18:08.09 | bzed | gmcinnes: you can configure that, though |
| 18:08.11 | Welshie | Azar - i have had that. we are trying to find out why it coudlnt find package module-assistant |
| 18:08.15 | ashmawy__ | bzed: okz, thanx again |
| 18:08.23 | Welshie | oh hang onb |
| 18:08.30 | gmcinnes | bzed: are there doc's for that anywhere? |
| 18:08.40 | Azar | Welshie: strange, I use sarge and the nvidia oneliner worked ok |
| 18:08.41 | Welshie | its a different message perhaps, but im uopdating |
| 18:09.00 | Welshie | i did apt-get update |
| 18:09.09 | Azar | Welshie: yes use: aptitude update, aptitude upgrade |
| 18:09.09 | bzed | gmcinnes: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller - I think preseed is what you need to look at, I've never done it, though. if you have a lot of machines you probably want to think about using FAI, though |
| 18:09.19 | Welshie | its connecting to ftp.de.debian.org (1.0.0.0) |
| 18:09.23 | Azar | Welshie: start be used to "aptitude" command |
| 18:09.24 | Welshie | that cant be right.... |
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| 18:09.54 | Azar | Welshie: bah I have no idea about your internet connections |
| 18:10.02 | Welshie | i can pinggoogle |
| 18:10.05 | Welshie | no probs |
| 18:10.09 | Welshie | dns issues surely |
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| 18:10.30 | Mooi_ | Hello, I heard that there's a problem with debian's modified xorg versions. it is causing me to get an error related to undefined symbols when using nvidia legacy drivers. does anyone know how to solve this? I already downgraded (I think). |
| 18:10.36 | Azar | Welshie: also check your spelling of your apt/sources.list line.. |
| 18:10.50 | Welshie | ok, just did an nslookup, then updated and its updating fine now |
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| 18:11.11 | Welshie | jesus.... when i get this up my god i need to ghost it |
| 18:11.15 | Azar | Welshie: do the one-liner command now |
| 18:11.22 | Welshie | its updating |
| 18:11.32 | gmcinnes | bzed: oh yeah, I have a working preseed for sarge, but the etch installer seems to be ignoring it. |
| 18:11.47 | Welshie | ok, one liner is busy |
| 18:11.59 | Welshie | \0/ thanks for help so far |
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| 18:12.38 | bzed | gmcinnes: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apb.html |
| 18:12.59 | Azar | for who is using the debian installer rc2 (etch) http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
| 18:13.32 | Welshie | ok, its doing lots :D |
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| 18:13.42 | Azar | Welshie: good |
| 18:13.57 | Welshie | so debian sarge shi[ps without nvidia |
| 18:14.04 | Welshie | oh, its finished. reconfigure? |
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| 18:14.17 | Azar | Welshie: yes, Debian is free software, the Nvidia driver is proprietary |
| 18:14.23 | Welshie | i see |
| 18:14.32 | Welshie | ok, ill go with nv driver this time |
| 18:14.35 | Welshie | yes? |
| 18:14.35 | Azar | Welshie: try to exit X then startx to see if it worked |
| 18:14.40 | gmcinnes | Azar: yeah. I looked there first. nothing in there about it. |
| 18:14.47 | bzed | Welshie: no, you go with nvidia as driver now |
| 18:14.58 | Welshie | um, i only have nv |
| 18:15.01 | Azar | gmcinnes: which rc version are you trying? the rc2 is just out |
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| 18:15.19 | Azar | Welshie: for now use nv.. see how it goes around |
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| 18:15.23 | gmcinnes | there's a little bit at the bottom of the wiki: Preseeding has changed significantly in etch, preseed files for sarge will need to be updated or re-done. |
| 18:15.31 | Adziura | hello |
| 18:15.38 | gmcinnes | Not much info elsewhere about how its changed tho. |
| 18:15.40 | Azar | gmcinnes: wait I will give you the latest news |
| 18:15.41 | bzed | Welshie: hmm. i seriously don;t know how that was handles it sarge, but I think Azar can tell you how to edit the right file ;) |
| 18:16.08 | bzed | gmcinnes: I gave you a second link, I think that should cover the new installer |
| 18:16.09 | Azar | gmcinnes: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/83569/index.html |
| 18:16.23 | bzed | gmcinnes: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apb.html |
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| 18:16.26 | Welshie | no devices detected :( |
| 18:16.33 | Welshie | no screens found |
| 18:16.37 | abrotman | !paster |
| 18:16.38 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:16.53 | Azar | Welshie: do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again, and pick nv for now |
| 18:17.06 | Welshie | ok |
| 18:17.12 | Welshie | any other thing special? |
| 18:17.22 | Welshie | bus identifier? |
| 18:17.22 | Azar | Welshie: later on you will be able to use the "nvidia" one.. but let's just make it work |
| 18:17.28 | Azar | Welshie: no need |
| 18:17.49 | abrotman | nv won't work |
| 18:17.59 | Azar | abrotman: it worked for me? |
| 18:18.02 | gmcinnes | bzed: oh, is that updated? Hard to tell :) Thanks guys. I'll see how i get on. |
| 18:18.04 | abrotman | what was your card ? |
| 18:18.09 | abrotman | and which version of debian ? |
| 18:18.26 | Azar | GeForce4 MX 4000... |
| 18:18.27 | bzed | gmcinnes: d-i usually should refer to the etch installer |
| 18:18.27 | abrotman | does X fail using the vesa driver |
| 18:18.31 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 18:18.31 | dpkg | sarge hardware support is, like, reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 18:18.39 | Adziura | i try run a fluen but when i use fluent write: "EOF on stdout. The fluent process could not be started." In internet I found that i use a LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but when i try run: "LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 ./fluent" in terminal he write a: /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:18.52 | Azar | Welshie: which card you got? |
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| 18:18.58 | abrotman | 6xxx |
| 18:19.07 | RichiH | can i track what file a tar cjf is just handling from the outside? and no, restarting with v is not an option |
| 18:19.23 | abrotman | RichiH: ls ? |
| 18:19.27 | Welshie | nope, vesa says no usable config |
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| 18:19.32 | Azar | abrotman: so he needs the glxgears? |
| 18:19.34 | abrotman | Welshie: then there's something else wrong |
| 18:19.40 | Welshie | sigh |
| 18:19.46 | abrotman | Welshie: can you paste the X error log somewhere ? |
| 18:20.09 | Welshie | ill have to typ it |
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| 18:20.19 | abrotman | Welshie: are you IRCing from debian ? |
| 18:20.22 | Welshie | XIO error 104 |
| 18:20.24 | Azar | Welshie: also find out and tell us which kernel version you use? uname -r |
| 18:20.34 | Welshie | im ircing on laptop, installed deb on computer |
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| 18:20.45 | abrotman | Welshie: does debian have internet access ? |
| 18:20.45 | Welshie | 2.4.27-speakup |
| 18:20.50 | Welshie | um yeah |
| 18:20.54 | Azar | bah... 2.4 |
| 18:21.11 | abrotman | Welshie: aptitude install irssi-text .. when it's done .. irssi -c irc.freenode.net .. come back in this channel |
| 18:21.13 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
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| 18:21.26 | Welshie | Basically - I ak on a golden quest for the ultimate linux distro. if i have the wrong one, im happy to download a new one |
| 18:21.39 | Azar | Welshie: tell us the name of your video card, Nvidia....what? |
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| 18:21.47 | abrotman | or perhaps he should just go right to etch |
| 18:21.57 | Welshie | nvidia 6600 or 6800 |
| 18:22.15 | Azar | ..... never heard of that..., the FX series? |
| 18:22.20 | abrotman | Azar: yes |
| 18:22.25 | Azar | wow |
| 18:22.27 | Welshie | yeah, i really dont mind getting another distro |
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| 18:22.34 | Azar | abrotman is right, Welshie you need etch |
| 18:22.41 | abrotman | he doesn't need etch ... |
| 18:22.46 | abrotman | !tell Welshie about sarge->etch |
| 18:22.51 | abrotman | it'll just make his life a lot easier |
| 18:23.05 | Azar | abrotman: he is on 2.4.7, is that sane to up with that kernel? |
| 18:23.09 | Callahad | Hi, for some reason PAM isn't setting my MAIL environment variable for local logins (SSH works fine). The line in my pam.d/login file is: session optional pam_mail.so standard noenv dir=~/Maildir # What am I missing? |
| 18:23.27 | abrotman | Azar: eh .. he should go to 2.6 first |
| 18:23.30 | abrotman | Welshie: what's your CPU ? |
| 18:23.35 | Welshie | right |
| 18:23.43 | Azar | Welshie: if you upgrade to etch? first upgrade the kernel |
| 18:23.44 | Welshie | amd 2600 |
| 18:23.53 | abrotman | Welshie: or you could just install straight from the etch installer instead of doing a dist-upgrade |
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| 18:23.57 | Azar | Welshie: you got an amd cpu? |
| 18:24.00 | abrotman | (which probably makes more sense in this case) |
| 18:24.01 | Welshie | ok forget this, where can i get isos of the best debian version straight off?> |
| 18:24.15 | abrotman | Welshie: get the daily from debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:24.18 | Azar | Welshie: the rc2 installer is just out |
| 18:24.21 | abrotman | should be about 140MB |
| 18:24.21 | h3sp4wn | rc2 was released |
| 18:24.27 | abrotman | fine .. use RC2 |
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| 18:25.03 | LassieTheBrave | I have noticed with my recent installation of etch that unlike stable, choosing "Desktop" during install gives me automatic gnome (instead of allowing the choice of kde or gnome...(as in stable)). I guess my question is: What is the easiest way of replacing gnome with kde (and ofcourse all the little gnome specific apps that came with it...)? |
| 18:25.17 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 18:25.17 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 18:25.18 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 18:25.19 | dpkg | i guess install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 18:25.28 | Azar | Welshie: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070319 |
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| 18:25.48 | RichiH | abrotman: ha. ha. |
| 18:25.58 | RichiH | abrotman: i meant which one it is packing.. |
| 18:25.59 | Welshie | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:26.02 | Welshie | yeah? |
| 18:26.06 | LassieTheBrave | that bot is so cool... and thanks.... |
| 18:26.09 | JosefK | hi, I'm installing etch from the RC2 installer, and I notice it's configuring some selinux related packages - is selinux in/on by default now, and if so can somebody point me to some docs? |
| 18:26.23 | Welshie | i cant even do irc proeprly because my debian has dns dramas |
| 18:26.56 | abrotman | RichiH: oh .. |
| 18:27.04 | abrotman | Welshie: yes |
| 18:27.08 | PupenoR | Does anybody know how to run egroupware in PHP4 and the rest in PHP5? |
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| 18:27.25 | abrotman | i doubt you can .. you'd need two different Apache installs i believe .. ask ##php |
| 18:27.29 | h3sp4wn | JosefK: its off by default (auto-apt once caused a right mess though trying to enable it for me - I will never use that app again) |
| 18:27.31 | abrotman | !tell lopov about root |
| 18:27.36 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 18:27.55 | abrotman | PupenoR: i doubt you can .. you'd need two different Apache installs i believe .. ask ##php |
| 18:28.06 | Welshie | how do i change my nick? |
| 18:28.12 | abrotman | /nick blah |
| 18:28.19 | PupenoR | abrotman: It is possible to run php4 as cgi and php5 as module. |
| 18:28.19 | JosefK | h3sp4wn, thanks, and from reading the wiki I think I'll stay clear too |
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| 18:28.27 | abrotman | PupenoR: that sounds gross :) |
| 18:28.29 | PupenoR | abrotman: they are not likely to care or respect Debian packages. |
| 18:28.34 | Welshie | i do /nick welshie2 |
| 18:28.37 | Welshie | wont work |
| 18:28.44 | abrotman | PupenoR: there is a php5-cgi etc |
| 18:28.44 | Welshie | i cant type on the debian |
| 18:28.45 | fedx_ | anyone know where i can get python-gnome2-desktop 2.16 or later? |
| 18:28.49 | PupenoR | abrotman: it's PHP. it is gross anyway. |
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| 18:28.53 | fedx_ | it's not in unstable |
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| 18:29.00 | abrotman | no need to put blue eyeshadow on it though ... |
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| 18:30.36 | abrotman | welshie2: don't IRC in here as root .. use your regular user |
| 18:30.38 | spundun | streuner, by the way to day I got the usc mirror back in the list and it worked... removed all the other lines... |
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| 18:32.09 | miles_ | o/ |
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| 18:32.15 | miles_ | ok <- is welshie |
| 18:32.27 | miles_ | so |
| 18:32.32 | abrotman | Miles_: yay! |
| 18:32.42 | militant | miles_ are you aware that o/ is used as a hitler salute? |
| 18:32.53 | miles_ | im proud - i have a linux system with no frontend, yet im in irc! \0/ |
| 18:32.59 | miles_ | lol i am now! |
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| 18:33.08 | abrotman | militant: maybe he was just waving .... |
| 18:33.08 | miles_ | sorry , no offence meant |
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| 18:33.19 | karsten | miles_: No frontend? No monitor, you mean, as in headless? |
| 18:33.23 | abrotman | no X |
| 18:33.28 | miles_ | so, i want us.debgian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 18:33.41 | miles_ | so ill dl that |
| 18:34.06 | zzz_ | Where can I report a bug in debian-installer? |
| 18:34.06 | militant | abrotman i wasn't complaining. i find racial humor to be excellent. not a racist by any stretch, but i play one on irc, and my father is a hardcore white supremacist so it's fun for me to emulate/discredit him. |
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| 18:34.08 | miles_ | weekly snapshot ? |
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| 18:34.19 | miles_ | or the top ection |
| 18:34.26 | karsten | zzz_: debbugs |
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| 18:34.33 | abrotman | miles_: the RC2 please |
| 18:34.35 | karsten | !tell zzz_ about bts |
| 18:34.40 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 18:34.41 | dpkg | [reportbug] used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 18:34.45 | miles_ | lol militant! |
| 18:34.47 | karsten | zzz_: the package is debian-installer |
| 18:35.09 | zzz_ | karsten: Okay. |
| 18:35.13 | zzz_ | karsten: Thanks. |
| 18:35.20 | junix-other | hey guys, i'm getting an error on Debian Sarge, saying that vmware can't find the C Header files...i've installed the source, tree, and the headers..... |
| 18:35.31 | militant | miles_ proud of using irssi from console? hehehehe. |
| 18:35.57 | abrotman | libc6-dev ? |
| 18:36.00 | abrotman | which header files ? |
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| 18:36.16 | miles_ | lol. i love linux, but i want a complete package which i can install on client's machiens with no headaches |
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| 18:36.50 | s-specialists | for the live of me I cant get a phtml file to load (instead of asking to download) with apache2. |
| 18:36.52 | miles_ | k, downloading debian-testing |
| 18:36.54 | s-specialists | *life |
| 18:36.58 | miles_ | 3 dvds 0_o |
| 18:37.00 | RedBowlerHat | there's no way to reset permissions in /etc/ to defaults using dpkg right? |
| 18:37.18 | militant | miles_ kubuntu and 30 minutes to show them how to use debs. keep a sudo-enabled account on the box, so you can ssh in and fix up anything they break, without having to go out tot heir place. the end :) |
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| 18:37.34 | abrotman | no way .. use debian |
| 18:37.37 | karsten | RedBowlerHat: you could do a reinstall, but conffiles aren't going to be touched. |
| 18:37.58 | miles_ | mate the power of linux is awesome, thats why i want to put linux desktops on clients machines |
| 18:38.05 | miles_ | they are virsu proof for a satrt |
| 18:38.17 | karsten | RedBowlerHat: That's an 'aptitude install --reinstall', not a fresh reinstallation. |
| 18:38.17 | pilgrim | How do I get the UUID of /dev/hda2? |
| 18:38.25 | matevzp | hello, where can I set my network using the console ... I have the connection via LAN. is there a net.eth0 file or sth? (is there a good and simple tutorial how to set the settings? ) tnx |
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| 18:38.37 | karsten | pilgrim: UUID? |
| 18:38.52 | miles_ | so this package is called irsi? |
| 18:38.54 | miles_ | for irc? |
| 18:38.55 | pilgrim | karsten, to use in fstab |
| 18:38.58 | militant | irssi |
| 18:39.03 | bzed | pilgrim: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 18:39.03 | miles_ | ok |
| 18:39.10 | militant | great text client |
| 18:39.19 | RedBowlerHat | karsten: so the content of my config files won't be touched, but my permissions will be reset right? |
| 18:39.21 | karsten | pilgrim: Um, you'd do that why? |
| 18:39.27 | karsten | RedBowlerHat: I don't believe so. |
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| 18:39.31 | h3sp4wn | pilgrim: /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/hda2 (as root) |
| 18:39.39 | junix-other | abrotman: kernel header files |
| 18:39.43 | karsten | pilgrim: What's wrong with "/dev/hda2" |
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| 18:39.47 | militant | i usually just keep an irssi session screened on my server, so my irc is available wherever/whenever |
| 18:39.48 | bzed | karsten: so you do not have to take care which /dev/whatevername your boot device actualyl has |
| 18:40.17 | karsten | Hrm. Partition labeling? |
| 18:40.18 | bzed | karsten: you're indepentent of the order your devices appear in the system by using uuids |
| 18:40.19 | miles_ | k, when i inhstall this rc version, will it sort x out for me? |
| 18:40.28 | h3sp4wn | hda2 will always be hda2 though (seems not very useful for hda) |
| 18:40.38 | bzed | karsten: works as uuids. wither label or uuid, whatever you need |
| 18:41.38 | karsten | bzed: Is that a manufacturer-assigned value? |
| 18:41.38 | bzed | h3sp4wn: yeah, chances that hda will change are low. scsi discs of any kind are a bigger problem there |
| 18:41.38 | pilgrim | karsten, that's the format of my fstab |
| 18:41.57 | pilgrim | h3sp4wn, thanks. |
| 18:41.58 | h3sp4wn | bzed: useful for sd? - but not hda (even external controllers never seem to change sda) |
| 18:42.04 | bzed | karsten: for a partition? no. but UUIDs should be uniq worldwide. want to read a uuid generator code? :P |
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| 18:42.14 | karsten | RedBowlerHat: Virtually everything is 'root.root', and 644, some exceptions. |
| 18:42.31 | Supaplex | like shadow files :P |
| 18:42.41 | karsten | RedBowlerHat: Directories tend to be drwx-xr-x |
| 18:43.02 | kang_ | i used a live cd of debian,how could i play mp3 songs?Isn´t it private software? |
| 18:43.06 | bzed | h3sp4wn: oh they do. for example if you're using usb dist drives and scsi hdds. or when you're booting from a SAN. |
| 18:43.11 | kang_ | *privative |
| 18:43.35 | h3sp4wn | bzed: actually that was a typo I ment to say hda |
| 18:43.51 | miles_ | is debian rc2 a lot easier to sort out x? |
| 18:43.56 | h3sp4wn | bzed: (external controllers seem to use hdg etc) |
| 18:44.35 | bzed | h3sp4wn: ah ok. well, you could swap disks and juse want to be able to plug your ddisk into *which slot ever* |
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| 18:46.07 | kang_ | how could play mp3 songs with debian etch?It is not free software |
| 18:46.14 | kang_ | with the live cd |
| 18:46.17 | miles_ | so rc2, etch, isw kernel 2.6 ? |
| 18:46.27 | bzed | yes miles_ |
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| 18:46.41 | bzed | kang_: isn't there xmms or any other player on the live cd? |
| 18:46.45 | miles_ | ok, and it will be easier to set up for kde? |
| 18:46.57 | miles_ | or gnome in fact |
| 18:47.02 | bzed | uh? that's neither a problem on sarge nor on etch |
| 18:47.02 | miles_ | any gui! |
| 18:47.19 | miles_ | someone recommended as im using nvidia hardware to go etch |
| 18:47.29 | bzed | but you probably jsut want to select desktop-system when you're aksed to select what the installer shoudl install |
| 18:47.38 | miles_ | i did |
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| 18:47.43 | bzed | yeah, you want to have the more recent drivers |
| 18:47.50 | miles_ | ok |
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| 18:48.06 | miles_ | i like linux, but i want a system that is ready out of the box |
| 18:48.21 | bzed | miles_: with some bad look you'd probably need to install experimental drivers, blame nvidia for fucking up some of their releases. |
| 18:48.25 | miles_ | i cant got on irc and faff arounf because stuff isnt included, im sorry |
| 18:48.37 | miles_ | ahhh, ok |
| 18:48.39 | RedBowlerHat | karsten: cheers, they're are just a few directory with keys i need to be careful of... I think I can handle it though |
| 18:48.40 | abrotman | stuff or staff ? :) |
| 18:48.44 | bzed | miles_: again, balme nvidia, ati and all the others for that, who don not want to make their shit distributeable |
| 18:48.45 | miles_ | stuff! |
| 18:49.00 | miles_ | ok. |
| 18:49.04 | RedBowlerHat | my /var/ is also mucked up... but dpkg would never sort that out |
| 18:49.32 | bzed | !tell RedBowlerHat about backup |
| 18:49.38 | miles_ | so out of interest, would sarge debian (if you included the desktop in your selection) take you to a gui after you install? |
| 18:49.57 | bzed | miles_: if you ahve a recent nvidia card -probably not, as it'll fail to use it |
| 18:49.59 | miles_ | with this rc2 im downloading, will i have to set up x in text mode? |
| 18:50.17 | miles_ | so doing reconfigure-xfree86? |
| 18:50.35 | bzed | did you jsut install sarge? |
| 18:51.02 | miles_ | um, i installed 3.1_r5 |
| 18:51.05 | bzed | if so, get the etch installer and format and reinstall. if not, upgrade to etch |
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| 18:51.27 | bzed | which kind of nvidia hardware are you using? |
| 18:51.28 | miles_ | im downloading the 3 dvds for RC2 |
| 18:51.32 | bzed | err? |
| 18:51.35 | bzed | don;t do such things |
| 18:51.42 | bzed | use the netinstaller |
| 18:51.46 | miles_ | um k |
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| 18:51.53 | bzed | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:52.05 | bzed | except you want to take it to a place without network at all |
| 18:52.14 | miles_ | i will eventually |
| 18:52.29 | bzed | well, install all stuff you need before you do so then ;) |
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| 18:52.46 | miles_ | business card? |
| 18:52.47 | bzed | carrying dvds is sensless with debian imho |
| 18:52.57 | disgrntld | how would i specify a username/password when mounting an NFS share? |
| 18:52.59 | h3sp4wn | bzed: I know why people want uuids but I wouldn't want them in fstab looks messy (rather just use symlink udev rules to the uuids once and have it abstracted away) |
| 18:53.01 | legis | Can 32bit nics be use in 64bit slots? |
| 18:53.11 | karsten | disgrntld: man mount |
| 18:53.17 | Supaplex | my goodness. let's download the entire internet to install the os *grin* |
| 18:53.18 | disgrntld | k |
| 18:53.23 | karsten | disgrntld: Ordinarially you'd authenticate through NIS or LDAP though. |
| 18:53.25 | bzed | miles_: I'd recommend netinstall |
| 18:53.32 | miles_ | k |
| 18:53.37 | karsten | RedBowlerHat: I'm building a list. |
| 18:53.54 | miles_ | getting that |
| 18:53.54 | bzed | legis: not sure. it works the other way round for sure, though |
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| 18:54.30 | bzed | h3sp4wn: the udev way won't work if you want to mount / ;) |
| 18:54.36 | legis | bzed: a 64bit NIC works on an 32bit slot? |
| 18:54.38 | xand | what does this mean: "FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): No such device"... after typing modprobe floppy in an attempt to get /dev/fd0 to appear |
| 18:54.44 | xand | hmm |
| 18:54.47 | miles_ | so netinstall will work ok? |
| 18:54.49 | xand | probably cos it's BIOS disabled |
| 18:55.23 | bzed | legis: yes. I don't know a single 64bit pci card which would not work in a 32bit slot. there couls be some aroudn, though. no clue |
| 18:55.24 | miles_ | ill have to go now |
| 18:55.28 | Daveman | xandses :o |
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| 18:55.36 | miles_ | cheers for all the help, ill be back here tomorrow evening! |
| 18:55.47 | h3sp4wn | bzed: the drivers for / would be statically linked in so it wouldn't change |
| 18:55.58 | disgrntld | man mount has nothing for nfs username password |
| 18:56.00 | legis | bzed: ok. |
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| 18:56.02 | bzed | miles_: you need a working network connection for netinstall. if you ahve that, it'll jsut work well |
| 18:56.11 | disgrntld | i'll check into ldap/nis |
| 18:56.25 | bzed | h3sp4wn: err, try that with fibrechannel. |
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| 18:56.55 | karsten | RedBowlerHat: Erm, no, I'm not. |
| 18:57.03 | GoAuLd | how i tell icedove to use iceweasel when clicking links (it opens stupid konqueror instead) |
| 18:57.51 | mlk | Hi. I need the non-free unrar package. Which repo is it in? |
| 18:57.51 | bzed | h3sp4wn: for example you get 8 LUNs - one of them is the one you need to boot from.... |
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| 18:58.16 | bzed | h3sp4wn: although you'll use multipath on FC usually, and then you have some /dev/mapper devices and the problem is solved, too - but you do not need to use multiple paths |
| 18:58.42 | bzed | GoAuLd: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 18:58.46 | junix-other | abrotman: you there? |
| 18:58.56 | GoAuLd | bzed thank you! |
| 18:59.10 | h3sp4wn | bzed: If it came to it I would write my own initramfs - I would never use uuid directly though |
| 18:59.13 | abrotman | junix-other: sorry .. i was playing Duke Nukem Forever |
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| 18:59.25 | karsten | disgrntld: Do you have /etc/nsswitch.conf, and if so, what does it say? |
| 18:59.27 | abrotman | junix-other: tried asking #vmware ? |
| 18:59.28 | junix-other | abrotman: haha, that game is AWSOME!! |
| 18:59.39 | junix-other | abrotman: yeah i did, to which i was told to upgrade to etch |
| 18:59.40 | bzed | h3sp4wn: how would you figure out which device to use then!? |
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| 19:00.05 | h3sp4wn | bzed: test all of them |
| 19:00.31 | karsten | disgrntld: I think the relevant entry is RPC, and I really should know this. |
| 19:00.41 | disgrntld | karsten: it says alot =), should i be looking for somethign in particular? |
| 19:00.44 | karsten | abrotman: You lie like a dog. |
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| 20:31.34 | rpc | hm i just realised that a file that i sent over lan has a diff checksum... how nice |
| 20:31.49 | rpc | looks like my ftp is pretty trustworthy |
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| 20:32.09 | bzed | rpc: did you used ascii mode for binary? |
| 20:32.25 | rpc | hm i can only hope that vsftpd would deny that |
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| 20:33.22 | bzed | rpc: that's a problem of your client |
| 20:33.28 | rpc | hm |
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| 20:33.36 | IamEthos | if I have a strong password, is there any sense in running sshd on a non-standard port? |
| 20:33.39 | bzed | rpc: vsftpd should delive stuff in ascii if a client asks it to do so |
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| 20:33.44 | fluxdude | is it true that if you plug a 100Mb cable/NIC into a gigabit switch, the whole switch comes down to 100Mbit speed? |
| 20:33.57 | bzed | IamEthos: yea, to stop script kiddies from trying 12314124 passwords |
| 20:33.59 | rpc | bzed i'm sure my client wouldn't send in ascii... |
| 20:34.14 | IamEthos | bzed, so just through it on something random |
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| 20:34.32 | piztek | I'm having a problem, at startx I get a mouse error. No core pointer, PreInit failed for generic mouse, etc. It's a toshiba laptop with a rubber dot mouse in the middle of the keyboard. |
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| 20:34.54 | Pollywog_ | IamEthos: you don't use passphrases? |
| 20:34.55 | wols_ | piztek: /dev/psaux IIRC |
| 20:34.55 | piztek | can anyone help? |
| 20:35.10 | IamEthos | Pollywog_, of course I do. |
| 20:35.11 | bzed | IamEthos: yeah. probably something radom but easy to remember |
| 20:35.14 | Pollywog_ | k |
| 20:35.20 | vy2wu | exigt |
| 20:35.26 | IamEthos | but it seems like hiding the service on a non-standard port makes it that much more tricky |
| 20:35.28 | vy2wu | quit |
| 20:35.46 | Pollywog_ | it would avoid the portscans |
| 20:35.53 | rpc | bzed.. i just made sure.. my client sends in binary format |
| 20:35.54 | Pollywog_ | I get many in one day |
| 20:35.54 | piztek | wols_: then what option after that? PS/2? |
| 20:35.58 | piztek | ImPS? |
| 20:35.58 | rpc | why do i get errors then? |
| 20:36.09 | wols_ | piztek: lemme look at my tecra8000 setup |
| 20:36.15 | piztek | thanks |
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| 20:36.20 | bzed | IamEthos: although they won;t be able to break in by trying passwords (if you have a secure enough one), it'll take system ressources. otherwise you could use fail2ban to stop them |
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| 20:36.24 | rpc | bzed i'm sending over a br0.. can this be the reason? |
| 20:36.39 | wols_ | no. tbe rubber points is /dev/input/mice, protocol imps/2 |
| 20:36.40 | bzed | rpc: it should be |
| 20:36.42 | wols_ | but I run gpm too |
| 20:37.01 | piztek | so go back and select /dev/input/mice? |
| 20:37.01 | rpc | bzed is br0 bad? or does it take some tweaking? |
| 20:37.08 | piztek | or just select imps/2 |
| 20:37.10 | Pollywog_ | I use fail2ban, it locks the jerks out and then tells me about it |
| 20:37.10 | IamEthos | bzed, hmm, I hadn't even thought of the resources issue |
| 20:37.18 | rpc | piztek check for /dev/wife too :) |
| 20:37.33 | bzed | wols_: on 2.6 there's the same output on /dev/psaux as on /dev/input/mice. |
| 20:37.50 | rpc | Pollywog_ and i use port knocking because i have no time to dig tru jerks list :) |
| 20:37.59 | piztek | lol |
| 20:37.59 | IamEthos | Pollywog_, I'll have to look into this. |
| 20:38.06 | wols_ | what is br0 exactly? |
| 20:38.11 | bzed | rpc: port knocking could knock you out :P |
| 20:38.16 | piztek | wols_: new error, could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 20:38.17 | rpc | wols it's an ethernet bridge |
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| 20:38.35 | wols_ | ah. thx |
| 20:38.36 | Pollywog_ | rpc by that do you mean port triggering? |
| 20:38.41 | rpc | bzed not if i can remember the right seq :) which i have also written down |
| 20:38.46 | wols_ | piztek: how did you install X? |
| 20:38.56 | rpc | Pollywog_ not sure |
| 20:38.58 | piztek | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:39.00 | bzed | rpc: I remember a bug regardning nvidia chipsets dropping parts of packets |
| 20:39.14 | wols_ | piztek: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 20:39.14 | rpc | bzed... how about VIA one? |
| 20:39.24 | bzed | rpc: no clue |
| 20:39.27 | piztek | okay, brb |
| 20:39.28 | rpc | hm |
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| 20:39.47 | Pollywog_ | fail2ban just blocks the jerks after a set number of failed login attempts |
| 20:39.57 | Pollywog_ | so I do not need to look through a list |
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| 20:40.09 | bzed | Pollywog_: works very well against dumb kids |
| 20:40.16 | rpc | Pollywog_ why waste time and resources on kids though? |
| 20:40.24 | Pollywog_ | oic |
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| 20:40.53 | octoberdan | Does Ubuntu use a different update-rc.d script than Debian? |
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| 20:41.03 | Pollywog_ | so a better solution is what? |
| 20:41.20 | rpc | Pollywog_ just use a diff port... |
| 20:41.26 | bzed | octoberdan: you probably want to ask in #ubuntu, as they took debian stuff and changed it :P |
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| 20:41.31 | Pollywog_ | oh yes that would work |
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| 20:41.51 | vy2wu | I can't find my AX25 module to modprobe. when I try to modprobe, it says AX25 does not exist, both lower and higher case, I also can't apt-get it. |
| 20:41.59 | rpc | Pollywog_ most kids will go away at once if they can't say hello to 22 :) |
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| 20:42.14 | bzed | Pollywog_, rpc: a different port doesn;t work for smtp or http, though. that's where fail2ban works well |
| 20:42.24 | unsolo | does apt-get use perl ? |
| 20:42.26 | octoberdan | bzed: hehe, yea. Unfortunately I did and they haven't responded |
| 20:42.28 | magellanino | hi |
| 20:42.41 | rpc | bzed hm |
| 20:42.56 | valdyn | vy2wu: uname -r |
| 20:43.10 | h3sp4wn | octoberdan: look at the diff.gz |
| 20:43.16 | solar_sea | I guess this is a linux-general question, but since i'm using debian :). I have my windows partitions described in /etc/fstab, any mount /mnt/winpart1 mounts it [both with root and with a normal user], but I cannot read from the mounted ones with a normal user. can I make it work [to be readable by non-root] ? |
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| 20:43.37 | wols_ | !ntfsro |
| 20:43.37 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 20:43.38 | Pollywog_ | octoberdan: you could use diff and compare the scripts |
| 20:43.38 | vy2wu | ham call |
| 20:43.43 | wols_ | !vfatrw |
| 20:43.43 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 20:43.55 | wols_ | vy2wu: grep AX /boot/config* |
| 20:43.58 | unsolo | does Apt-get install require perl ? |
| 20:44.07 | wols_ | unsolo: dpkg does |
| 20:44.09 | bzed | vy2wu: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=ax25.o&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 20:44.14 | h3sp4wn | octoberdan: they use upstart anyway so its very likely its changed (or they are not using it fully yet) |
| 20:44.23 | bzed | vy2wu: where's your kernel from? and which one are you using? |
| 20:44.26 | vy2wu | tnx |
| 20:44.35 | solar_sea | well, i''ve already typed it as a /dev/sda1 /mnt/c ntfs nls=utf8,ro,user,auto |
| 20:44.54 | solar_sea | i can mount it with a normal user, but cannot read it |
| 20:45.02 | solar_sea | i must add the gid/uid ? |
| 20:45.04 | wols_ | !lart solar_sea |
| 20:45.15 | solar_sea | cool :) |
| 20:45.17 | unsolo | anyone that can give me appropiate chmod flags for the /usr/bin/perl ? |
| 20:45.39 | valdyn | unsolo: why are you messing with permissions? |
| 20:45.42 | vy2wu | I am using a kernel from a book, but do not understand how to use it. Lousy install. |
| 20:45.44 | bzed | unsolo: 755 |
| 20:45.47 | wols_ | unsolo: like any other binary: 755 |
| 20:45.48 | unsolo | tnx |
| 20:45.54 | bzed | vy2wu: why do you do so? |
| 20:46.00 | unsolo | valdyn: stopped an exploit |
| 20:46.06 | wols_ | vy2wu: are you running debian? |
| 20:46.23 | vy2wu | Yes I am running debian sarge |
| 20:46.31 | bzed | vy2wu: use the debian standard kernel, it brings all things you need to run ax25 and stuff |
| 20:46.48 | wols_ | unsolo: how? |
| 20:46.57 | bzed | vy2wu: use apt-cache search ax25 to find the tools |
| 20:46.59 | solar_sea | okey, i'm leaving with the trash, thanks wols :D |
| 20:47.21 | vy2wu | I have learned how to do that. |
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| 20:47.37 | vy2wu | What is the standard kernel and how do I install it? |
| 20:47.58 | bzed | vy2wu: then get rid of that kernel from the book ;) you have/had it installed when you installed sarge |
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| 20:48.16 | bzed | vy2wu: which machine are you using? |
| 20:48.22 | wols_ | vy2wu: apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 20:48.35 | wols_ | oops. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 I guess |
| 20:48.44 | unsolo | wols_: if the explit runs perl chmod ing perl 000 and killing the process stops it from starting while you find the whole |
| 20:48.52 | vy2wu | IBM PIII 750 mhz, ooodles of ram |
| 20:49.03 | wols_ | vy2wu: 686 kernel |
| 20:49.08 | unsolo | btw apt-get install needs perl |
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| 20:49.14 | enouf | wols_: prolly kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 20:49.20 | bzed | vy2wu: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 then |
| 20:49.23 | wols_ | yep |
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| 20:49.41 | dmb | hey |
| 20:49.56 | dmb | small question, why doesn't gnutls dev install include gnutls-config? |
| 20:49.58 | dmb | im using stable |
| 20:50.32 | wols_ | dmb: cause "-config" is probably needed only for compiling stuff with gnutls |
| 20:50.32 | bzed | dmb: becuase it's in libgnutls-dev |
| 20:50.37 | wols_ | in which case it would be in the -dev package |
| 20:50.40 | Guerin | um |
| 20:50.43 | Guerin | he said that |
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| 20:50.51 | Guerin | `gnutls dev install' |
| 20:50.55 | wols_ | Guerin: d'oh :) |
| 20:51.04 | bzed | dmb: ah, and it's called usr/bin/libgnutls-config |
| 20:51.05 | vy2wu | tnx I willtry that. |
| 20:51.06 | bzed | ;) |
| 20:51.24 | dmb | oh |
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| 20:51.38 | dmb | bzed: `you are right |
| 20:51.40 | dmb | im a retard |
| 20:51.44 | dmb | everyone point and laugh at me now |
| 20:51.53 | bzed | dmb: apt-file searach helps ;) |
| 20:51.54 | wols_ | !pal dmb |
| 20:52.09 | bzed | !milk dmb |
| 20:52.24 | dmb | lol |
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| 20:56.59 | vy2wu | new kernel downloading and installing, thanks gang |
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| 21:02.16 | vy2wu | I have been trying to get sounds working on xchat for windows 98 and can't any suggestions? It says it's in ./sounds, I cannot find that on my win98 laptop I am using this program on. |
| 21:03.14 | hark | try #xchat |
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| 21:03.18 | uosiu_ | hi |
| 21:03.23 | uosiu_ | i have a question, most hardware problem :) |
| 21:03.23 | m4lu6 | What's the latest greatest way of doing Nvidia drivers 'the debian way', for x, if you please? |
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| 21:03.43 | wols_ | !tell m4lu6 about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:03.49 | m4lu6 | wols_ much obliged :) |
| 21:04.03 | uosiu_ | http://forum.purepc.pl/index.php?showtopic=228872 post on the bottom, what do you think about SMART report of 1st HDD? 4h worked and ~6k read errors ECC recovered.... |
| 21:04.04 | vy2wu | tnx |
| 21:04.11 | louie_ | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a update,prepare,a-i "nameofnvdiadriver" |
| 21:04.17 | blaylock | did freenode just reset or something? |
| 21:04.24 | louie_ | for ati it's fglrx as an example |
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| 21:04.37 | dual-man | how do i print consol output to file? |
| 21:04.55 | blaylock | dual-man, type script <namoffile> |
| 21:05.33 | FlopsyPete | does anyone have a link to how I can put my home directory on removable media and carry it between various machines please? |
| 21:06.19 | wols_ | dual-man: "> logfile" at the end of the command |
| 21:06.28 | wols_ | "2> errlog" for error messages |
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| 21:06.45 | karsten | FlopsyPete: change your /etc/passwd entry to point to the removeable media for your home directory, add a mountpoint for same in /etc/fstab. |
| 21:07.03 | wols_ | karsten: he needs an automounter too |
| 21:07.09 | karsten | FlopsyPete: man usermod for how to change the first, man passwd, man fstab, for additional. |
| 21:07.17 | karsten | wols_: Not if he installs the media pre-boot. |
| 21:07.21 | karsten | wols_: But sure. |
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| 21:07.59 | rpc | is it possible to mount an .iso directly or do i need any tools for that? |
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| 21:08.12 | dondelelcaro | rpc: mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt/bar |
| 21:08.12 | wols_ | rpc: possible via loopback |
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| 21:10.03 | xand | FlopsyPete: beware changing uids on different machines |
| 21:10.06 | rpc | iso9660 i believe.. digging man :) |
| 21:10.17 | karsten | xand: Point |
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| 21:10.51 | dual-man | wols_: can you take a look: http://pastebin.ca/404173 |
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| 21:11.17 | karsten | FlopsyPete: Note too: USB media are often formatted vfat, which doesn't have all the file attributes (notably: user, group, and permissions) supported by full Linux FSs (ext2/ext3, etc.). So you may have issues here or wish to reformat the stick ext2/3. |
| 21:11.37 | rpc | dondelelcaro hmm it doesn't work... i also tried to specify -t iso9660 and still it won't mount |
| 21:11.40 | enouf | rpc: mkdir /mount/point |
| 21:11.47 | rpc | i did |
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| 21:11.52 | karsten | rpc: What's the error? |
| 21:12.05 | enouf | ok .. then it's not an iso .. er .. modprobe loop |
| 21:12.22 | rpc | karsten: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 21:12.27 | kjxxxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.32 | enouf | rpc: losetup -f syas what? |
| 21:12.42 | rpc | checking... |
| 21:12.54 | rpc | loop0 |
| 21:12.57 | FlopsyPete | karsten: thanks, I'll give it a go |
| 21:12.57 | FlopsyPete | wols_: won't fstab automounting /media/my_usb_flash_stick be enough? |
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| 21:13.09 | karsten | rpc: mount -t iso9660 -o loop -r <iso-file> <mountpoint> |
| 21:13.10 | enouf | ok.. what does file filename.iso say |
| 21:13.15 | FlopsyPete | I can see that /media/usb_disk won;t auto mount without g-v-m, but by the time gdm is g-v-m running, or is it only doing so during my session? perhaps usb-mount packing is needed? |
| 21:13.23 | karsten | enouf: Point. |
| 21:13.33 | rpc | karsten oh hmm... the -r... let me try |
| 21:13.38 | enouf | karsten: pointing back at cha ;-) |
| 21:13.44 | Sazpaimon | ok so, this install script is trying to apt-get bind-libs but it can't find it |
| 21:13.46 | FlopsyPete | xand: is there a way to help with that changing uids problem? |
| 21:13.51 | Sazpaimon | what's the actual name for the package |
| 21:14.06 | karsten | rpc: That's just 'read-only', shouldn't affect anything other than supress the message that the media is r-o and it's being mounted as same. |
| 21:14.07 | rpc | karsten: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 21:14.18 | rpc | i read you.. but still i can't mount it |
| 21:14.24 | karsten | rpc: You're not dealing with an ISO, or you don't have iso9660 filesystem support loaded. |
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| 21:14.33 | karsten | rpc: 'modprobe iso9660' and retry. |
| 21:14.38 | rpc | checking... |
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| 21:14.42 | karsten | rpc: 'lsmod | grep iso9660' first. |
| 21:14.58 | karsten | .... would be helpful. |
| 21:14.58 | kjxxxx | how do I copy files from CD to directory using file browser? |
| 21:15.03 | rpc | hm lsmod says nothing |
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| 21:15.09 | kjxxxx | I get the error that I have no permission to write to dir |
| 21:15.11 | karsten | kjxxxx: Um, drag and drop. What file browser? |
| 21:15.12 | rpc | ok modprobe time.. |
| 21:15.22 | karsten | kjxxxx: What directory? What user? What permissions? |
| 21:15.33 | karsten | kjxxxx: 'ls -ld <directory>' from shell would be useful. |
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| 21:15.53 | rpc | hmm after i modprobe iso9660 i still get nothing in lsmod output... |
| 21:16.04 | enouf | rpc: try also modprobe udf .. then use karstens command sans the -r , and try -t udf instead of iso9660 .. but the ouput of "file filename.iso" says? |
| 21:16.15 | \amethyst | rpc: where does this CD come from? |
| 21:16.27 | rpc | enouf trying all that.. |
| 21:16.43 | rpc | amethyst: i converted a .bin image that i created on winbloze with some tool |
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| 21:16.46 | enouf | rpc: modprobe isofs |
| 21:16.58 | rpc | enouf hm i found isofs in lsmod |
| 21:17.06 | enouf | rpc: then lsmod | egrep 'udf|iso' |
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| 21:17.37 | rpc | # lsmod | egrep 'udf|iso' |
| 21:17.37 | enouf | file filename.iso! |
| 21:17.37 | rpc | isofs 33660 0 |
| 21:17.40 | rpc | ok |
| 21:17.55 | odla | make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.prl', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. <-- anyone know what package i need to install? i have qt3-dev-tools installed |
| 21:18.03 | rpc | enouf: it said: data |
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| 21:18.08 | enouf | heh |
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| 21:18.14 | enouf | try again ;-) |
| 21:18.15 | rpc | what now? lol |
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| 21:18.21 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 21:18.21 | enouf | burn it correctly |
| 21:18.34 | rpc | enouf do you think that .iso is broken? |
| 21:18.35 | kjxxxx | karsten: I get drwxr-sr-x |
| 21:19.11 | enouf | it's not an iso9660 fs afaict |
| 21:19.11 | rpc | enouf should file say something else if it was a proper iso? |
| 21:19.11 | fas3r | what's the better format for partition .. ext 3, Reiserfs , or JFS .. i have an IBM .. in SATA |
| 21:19.11 | FlopsyPete | would it be plausible to instead sync the contents of the removable media with the home directory on each machne instead? |
| 21:19.11 | rpc | enouf hrhmmm |
| 21:19.11 | rpc | enouf it reads on winbloze very well with the converter |
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| 21:19.32 | enouf | rpc: file ~/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 21:19.33 | rpc | fas3r reiser is bad because /dev/wife is gone |
| 21:19.35 | enouf | /home/stompthebozo/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Debian testing |
| 21:19.46 | rpc | enouf oh hm... |
| 21:20.15 | fas3r | rpc you think ext3 is the better ? |
| 21:20.36 | rpc | enouf damn it... i tried another iso image and in fact file says something useful... so the damned ISO file is broken :(( |
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| 21:20.42 | enouf | rpc: if it's an .img file see http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+CD-IMAGES |
| 21:20.52 | rpc | fas3r it's not better but it surely is stable |
| 21:20.52 | Guerin | fas3r: there is no question. |
| 21:20.55 | dual-man | wols_: are you still around? |
| 21:20.57 | Guerin | no, it is better |
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| 21:21.03 | rpc | enouf thank you very much |
| 21:21.12 | fas3r | rpc ok thank :) |
| 21:21.19 | enouf | rpc: IOW.. you shouldn't be trtying to loop mount it, and it ain't no ISO .. that's all |
| 21:21.22 | Guerin | it doesn't eat data randomly, and the only person capable of continuing devlopment and fixing bugs isn't in prison |
| 21:21.31 | rpc | enouf i just wonder what tool should i use to convert from bin to iso |
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| 21:21.39 | dual-man | i have a problem getting mail client to work behind my debian gateway, this is my iptables -L output: http://pastebin.ca/404173 is there something wrong with it? |
| 21:21.42 | enouf | see url ;-P |
| 21:21.44 | Guerin | rpc: a bin IS an iso |
| 21:21.47 | rpc | looks like it didn't work so far and this cd is a legit copy of a software that i own |
| 21:21.52 | Guerin | rpc: in the bin/cue sense |
| 21:22.03 | rpc | ok checking there.. |
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| 21:22.28 | enouf | Guerin: raw data though .. not formatted as iso9660 |
| 21:22.33 | enouf | IINM |
| 21:23.06 | kjxxxx | how do I change the write prevalege of a directory I created so I can copy to it? ls - ld returns: drwxr-sr-x |
| 21:23.56 | rpc | enouf lol nice :) |
| 21:24.04 | rpc | thanks.. will try that guide, very useful |
| 21:24.14 | karsten | kjxxxx: man chmod |
| 21:24.21 | enouf | knock 'em dead kid |
| 21:25.00 | tdn | I just installed from a Debian Etch cd and ran apt-get install vim. Then I get this error: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/?paste=451 <- Broken packages? |
| 21:25.19 | enouf | rpc: if for some odd reason bin2iso doesn't cut it, try bchunk |
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| 21:28.44 | rcbarnes | Quick question: I'm trying to save my configs from a HDD before it's wiped. Where (other than /home/*, /etc/* and /usr/local/etc/*) would they be? |
| 21:29.11 | rpc | enouf hmm... i do hope it will work with one of those.. |
| 21:29.23 | LightKnight | /var/* ? |
| 21:29.29 | rpc | enouf and bchunk is first on the list as it's apt-getable :) |
| 21:29.56 | rpc | i also wonder why the conversion didn't work on winbloze.. |
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| 21:30.29 | rpc | it's just a damn windows xp cd in standard iso9660 format |
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| 21:30.42 | kjxxxx | why do I keep getting an I/O error on my cp command? |
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| 21:30.47 | mateusz | Hi |
| 21:30.58 | edyfox | Welcome~ |
| 21:31.04 | mateusz | Is I2C essential for Xorg ? |
| 21:31.12 | bzed | kjxxxx: which io error? |
| 21:31.16 | mateusz | I am getting error about it in xorg.log |
| 21:31.33 | bzed | mateusz: some graphics card drivers use it |
| 21:31.34 | kjxxxx | I changed the permission using chmod +7 ../dirname |
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| 21:31.52 | bzed | !esp kjxxxx |
| 21:31.55 | mateusz | bzed: /var/log/Xorg.0.log:(EE) intel(0): Unable to read from DVOI2C_E Slave 112 |
| 21:31.56 | karsten | kjxxxx: That's probably not what you wanted. |
| 21:31.58 | bzed | !esp |
| 21:31.59 | dpkg | hmm... esp is I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand? |
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| 21:32.07 | mateusz | bzed: so it wont work without it right ? |
| 21:32.09 | karsten | kjxxxx: 'ls -ld <directory> |
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| 21:32.33 | karsten | kjxxxx: Modes are generally specified as octal (eg: chmod 644 <file>) or by perms w/ +/-: chmod +w file. |
| 21:32.35 | rpmx | Hi |
| 21:32.39 | karsten | kjxxxx: man chmod. |
| 21:32.40 | bzed | mateusz: no clue what intel does there. but you want to paste your full log to find the problem |
| 21:32.50 | bzed | kjxxxx: and now, paste the error message please |
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| 21:33.24 | mateusz | bzed: http://home.kaduk.net/mateusz/X.log |
| 21:33.26 | bzed | kjxxxx: and the output of ls -ld <directory> |
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| 21:34.46 | kjxxxx | Karsen chmod +7 ../dirname works. ls -ld now gives "d------rwx" |
| 21:35.37 | bzed | mateusz: 2.6.20.3 is nothing supported by debian |
| 21:35.48 | bzed | kjxxxx: chmod 755 dirname |
| 21:35.58 | rpmx | I have Maildir_Data_01012007 ... Maildir_Data_20032007.tar.gz backup, of 100 users, One user lost your email, I need restore I try zcat Maildir_Data_01012007.tar.gz | grep -a user@dominio.com it find , but not show me path the file of mail, Any ideas please thank you |
| 21:35.59 | bzed | kjxxxx: did you READ the manpage? |
| 21:36.11 | kjxxxx | yes |
| 21:36.19 | bzed | kjxxxx: or did you just grad random sentences and tried various things? |
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| 21:36.39 | enouf | !random |
| 21:36.44 | dpkg | Hey enouf, sheisse is german for crap, or reiserfs |
| 21:36.47 | bzed | kjxxxx: you still didn't paste the output of ls -ld |
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| 21:36.58 | enouf | hehe |
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| 21:37.03 | bzed | that should be scheisse |
| 21:37.04 | bzed | :P |
| 21:37.18 | kjxxxx | bzed I am not on that box with IRC |
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| 21:37.22 | enouf | mod the factoid |
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| 21:37.29 | bzed | kjxxxx: type it then |
| 21:37.32 | bzed | !random |
| 21:37.34 | dpkg | Hey bzed, #debian-bots windoze is |
| 21:38.02 | dual-man | how do i restart iptables? |
| 21:38.05 | dual-man | or reload |
| 21:38.29 | rpmx | I have Maildir_Data_01012007 ... Maildir_Data_20032007.tar.gz backup, of 100 users, One user lost your email, I need restore I try zcat Maildir_Data_01012007.tar.gz | grep -a user@dominio.com it find , but not show me path the file of mail, Any ideas please thank you |
| 21:38.33 | mikes1 | Debian servers loaded as I cannot d/load RC2? |
| 21:38.39 | karsten | dual-man: You don't "start" IP tables, so much as load a set of filters. |
| 21:38.49 | kjxxxx | cp: reading '/cdrom/drivers/.../kerncomp.h': Input/output error |
| 21:38.57 | karsten | dual-man: Check your default policy first, if it's "deny" and you're remote, unfortunate things may occur. |
| 21:39.15 | karsten | dual-man: 'iptables -F' flushes all rules. Generally you re-run whatever iptables script you first ran, then. |
| 21:39.20 | tvynr | Hello, all. I'm currently trying to make initramfs-tools work with my rather unusual boot setup and I'm having trouble hooking into the script framework. There are two boot types currently supported: "local" and "nfs". Is there an appropriate way to add a third without modifying the contents of /usr/share (something I'd rather not do)? |
| 21:39.41 | dual-man | karsten: i've tried a few iptables commands to try and forward port 3389 so i can remote access and window machine and i can't so it so now id like to cancel out those rules |
| 21:40.00 | bzed | kjxxxx: HOW should anybody help you if you do NOT provide the information we ask you to |
| 21:40.17 | tvynr | dual-man: You added the rules with "iptables -A"? |
| 21:40.18 | dual-man | if i do a port forward it should show up with iptables -L, right? |
| 21:40.18 | karsten | dual-man: What I told you before. |
| 21:40.24 | karsten | dual-man: Yes. |
| 21:40.43 | dual-man | ok, can u give my a reason why its not? :D |
| 21:40.43 | tdn | What should I do if I get a "broken packages" error when trying to install "vim" in Debian Etch? |
| 21:40.44 | karsten | dual-man: I think. There's a couple of chains which exist, not sure iptables -L will show the forward chain. |
| 21:40.46 | bzed | kjxxxx: we're not paid for helping you, so if you just don't provide what we ask you to, you can just keep staring on your screen alone |
| 21:40.57 | bzed | !tell enouf about sheisse |
| 21:41.05 | dual-man | i have the accept 3389 rule, and i can see that, but not the forward |
| 21:41.09 | enouf | haha |
| 21:41.21 | GoAuLd | whats de 3389 rule? |
| 21:41.21 | tvynr | karsten: iptables -L will show the forward chain... but it won't show anything in the NAT table set. |
| 21:41.23 | tdn | bzed, the Etch installer worked btw. Thanks! |
| 21:41.59 | bzed | tdn: fine :) have fun! |
| 21:42.07 | karsten | tvynr: Thanks. dual-man See that? ^^ |
| 21:42.09 | dual-man | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 3389 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.50:3389 |
| 21:42.17 | enouf | tdn: apt-get install --reinstall pkgname |
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| 21:42.26 | tvynr | dual-man: iptables -L -t nat |
| 21:42.43 | kjxxxx | bzed. What's the IRC program that comes with Debian so I can copy and paste? |
| 21:42.59 | karsten | !tell kjxxxx about pastenox |
| 21:43.01 | dual-man | xchat |
| 21:43.14 | bzed | kjxxxx: there're a ton. |
| 21:43.14 | enouf | tvynr: see if man mkinitramfs tells you where/how to add scripts |
| 21:43.18 | tvynr | dual-man: Not to push a different setup on you, but have you considered going with a packaged firewall system instead of trying to do it yourself? I've found that life got a lot easier for me once I installed Shorewall. |
| 21:43.19 | bzed | !tell kjxxxx about search |
| 21:43.44 | karsten | !tell kjxxxx about pastewithoutx |
| 21:43.58 | tvynr | enouf: Indeed I did check. And you can add boot-time scripts by dumping them in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/*. But the problem I'm having is that the local boot method assumes that it's going to be mounting a device somewhere. |
| 21:44.17 | tdn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.20 | tvynr | enouf: My boot here is a LiveCD that lives in tmpfs once it's booted. So that doesn't work out. |
| 21:44.31 | dual-man | karsten: would you mind taking a look at this, see if it tells you why i cant get pop client to work behind my gateway: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.50:80 |
| 21:44.35 | tvynr | enouf: Essentially, the init script seems to assume it'll be mounting a root device and, in my case, it's wrong. |
| 21:44.43 | karsten | kjxxxx: You don't need an IRC client, you need the ability to transfer what's on your Debian box to where you are now. If you'd tell us more about your situation, we can be more specific. If you won't be, that's really your problem. |
| 21:44.51 | dual-man | sorry, this: http://pastebin.ca/404173 |
| 21:44.56 | karsten | dual-man: Sorry, no tiem and I suck at iptables anyhow. |
| 21:45.02 | karsten | s/tiem/time/ |
| 21:45.15 | bzed | kjxxxx: the output of ls -ld is NOT much. it's one interesting line, you should be ablt to TYPE that with your fingers |
| 21:45.56 | karsten | bzed: Though in fairness exact copies are preferred. w3m, scp, irssi, are all possible options. |
| 21:46.30 | tvynr | dual-man: That's not the NAT table set. You're adding stuff to NAT (-t nat), so you'll need to show a NAT table set listing (iptables -t nat -L) for it to be of any use. Again, though, I recommend you consider Shorewall. |
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| 21:47.00 | dual-man | tvynr: what is shorewall? |
| 21:47.20 | karsten | !tell dual-man about search |
| 21:47.25 | karsten | !shorewall |
| 21:47.25 | dpkg | The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. See http://www.shorewall.net/ |
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| 21:47.44 | karsten | dual-man: Try to find out on your own before asking. We'll think more of you. |
| 21:47.44 | tvynr | karsten: Thanks. I didn't know the bot had an entry on that. |
| 21:47.51 | karsten | tvynr: I didn't either ;-) |
| 21:48.39 | karsten | tvynr: ... but it frequently does. |
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| 21:48.40 | karsten | IIRC !info shorewall should give the package description. |
| 21:48.40 | karsten | !info shorewall |
| 21:48.47 | dpkg | shorewall: (Shoreline Firewall (Shorewall), a high-level tool for configuring Netfilter), section net, is optional. Version: 3.2.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 249 kB, Installed size: 1244 kB |
| 21:49.01 | rpmx | I generated backup daily with this format Maildir_Data_01012007.tar.gz ... Maildir_Data_20032007.tar.gz, about 100 users, One user lost your HDD, I need restore and extract, I tried with # zcat Maildir_Data_01012007.tar.gz | grep -a user@dominio.com It only show part of email, but not show me path the file of mail that I need for extractor files, Any ideas please thank you |
| 21:49.36 | tdn | enouf, does not fix it :( |
| 21:49.41 | karsten | rpmx: zcat <gzipped tar archive> | tar -tvf - | grep <username> |
| 21:49.47 | enouf | tvynr: doesn't sound like Debian ... but anyways give this a read http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs |
| 21:49.49 | hackmiker | rpmx, mc has a vfs function, you can tap enter on a file and then use the mc search function |
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| 21:50.06 | hackmiker | rpmx, on a tar.gz file * |
| 21:50.22 | enouf | tdn: dpkg -l <pkgname> | grep tail -1 <--says what? |
| 21:50.31 | bzed | karsten: tvf? I'd say xvf |
| 21:50.32 | karsten | rpmx: What hackmiker said. Note that it actually tunzips the archive to /tmp, if it's particularly large you may run out of space, but otherwise mc is damned convenient. IIRC konqueror can do something similar. |
| 21:51.13 | tdn | enouf, on vim? That vim is not installed: un vim <none> (no description available) |
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| 21:51.27 | r4nge | where are the scripts in "/etc/network/if-up.d" called? man page for interfaces says when ifup run-parts.. can anyone explain better |
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| 21:51.41 | karsten | tdn: Then install it. |
| 21:52.00 | karsten | r4nge: When you run "ifup <interface>" |
| 21:52.04 | r4nge | auto eth0 calls ifup |
| 21:52.06 | enouf | tdn: how fo you know it's broken ? .. you likely need the exact pkgname .. use dpkg -l vim* |
| 21:52.09 | tdn | karsten, can't. |
| 21:52.11 | karsten | r4nge: man ifupdown. man interfaces. |
| 21:52.13 | enouf | s/fo/do |
| 21:52.20 | karsten | tdn: ... because? Bigger problem is what? |
| 21:52.26 | tdn | karsten, http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/?paste=451 |
| 21:52.27 | tdn | enouf, http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/?paste=451 |
| 21:52.28 | karsten | bzed: Test, not extract. |
| 21:52.37 | rpc | enouf: i think i should kiss you now, sorry to say that :) |
| 21:52.52 | r4nge | karsten: but where is the actual code that is calling it? i like to go step-by-step :) |
| 21:52.58 | rpc | many thanks enouf and karsten... you did make my day big time |
| 21:52.58 | enouf | !hug rpc |
| 21:53.03 | rpc | lol |
| 21:53.23 | bzed | karsten: I thought rpc wanted to saerch the contents fo the files... ok then, tvf is the right thing indeed |
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| 21:53.34 | karsten | Sweet. konqueror can handle my gzipped ar archives as well. |
| 21:53.38 | tdn | enouf, karsten: This is a fresh install. I just installed from an Etch netinst cd. |
| 21:53.41 | rpc | i wasted more than 3 hours today on a stupid convertion and never thought that a winbloze tool can do so much crap... while bchunk did wonderful job in seconds... and it WORKS! |
| 21:53.51 | dual-man | karsten: i did a iptables -F and screwed everything |
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| 21:53.56 | enouf | tdn: did you alter your sources.list?? |
| 21:53.59 | dual-man | a restart will fix that right? |
| 21:54.07 | AussieHatter | on a new etch install: aptitude upgrade returns this : Starting internet superserver: inetdinvoke-rc.d: initscript openbsd-inetd, action "start" failed. |
| 21:54.13 | abrotman | you shouldn't do a -F without other rules to go with it |
| 21:54.23 | unsolo | Need help getting intel PWLA8391GT working on amd64-sarge |
| 21:54.24 | tdn | enouf, no. Not other than I commented the line with the CDROM as a source. |
| 21:54.26 | kjxxxx | (Karsten,bzed): here it is exactly as I typed the following command: sudo cp /cdrom/drivers/fa511_200/linux/* /usr/src/net/netgear_fa511/ I get the this error: cp: reading '/cdrom/drivers/fa511_200/linux/kerncomp.h': Input/output error |
| 21:54.27 | karsten | bzed: I thought it was to find a specific user whose name would be part of a spool path. Same diff. |
| 21:54.28 | rpc | enouf thanks again! that wonderful link solved my problems... |
| 21:54.37 | dual-man | abrotman: will a restart solve it? |
| 21:54.40 | karsten | dual-man: Congratulations. |
| 21:54.46 | karsten | dual-man: ... you think that makes you special? |
| 21:54.46 | rpc | yes yes yes! |
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| 21:54.53 | enouf | rpc: no prob .. send over your girlfirends now ;-0 |
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| 21:54.59 | Kronuz | hello |
| 21:55.05 | rpc | lol enouf |
| 21:55.08 | abrotman | dual-man: yes |
| 21:55.10 | enouf | :-) |
| 21:55.11 | karsten | dual-man: Yes, a restart will fix the problem as iptables settings don't persist. *Unless* you're setting the rules via your init process. |
| 21:55.15 | dual-man | karsten: well i'm getting a bit stressed here in my neck of the woods |
| 21:55.20 | bzed | kjxxxx: this error sounds more like a broken cdrom drive or broken cdrom |
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| 21:55.31 | enouf | tdn: did you use synaptic or aptitude at all yet? |
| 21:55.35 | bzed | kjxxxx: but WHY THE FUCKING HELL do you just not provide what we've asked you to? |
| 21:55.36 | karsten | dual-man: ... just don't ask for any lower anatomy. |
| 21:55.41 | dual-man | i cant figure out wtf that pop3 client doesn't worl |
| 21:55.49 | r4nge | karsten: from what i can gather, /etc/network/interfaces calls ifup <interface>, and ifup <interface> executes the scripts in if-up.d/, but where can i see the code that is calling that directory... man interfaces says that the directory is called with "run-parts", but i dont understand where |
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| 21:55.50 | tdn | enouf, karsten: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/?paste=454 |
| 21:55.52 | karsten | bzed: Mellow, dude. |
| 21:55.54 | dual-man | ah u can keep that |
| 21:56.02 | tdn | enouf, I only use apt-get for that stuff. |
| 21:56.11 | tdn | enouf, I have not installed any X. |
| 21:56.20 | tdn | enouf, this is a server. |
| 21:56.39 | Kronuz | hey, I want to install #debian but I was wondering... I have to use FakeRAID to make my drives map to arrays |
| 21:56.40 | karsten | r4nge: 'tun-parts' is a standard Debian tool used to run commands stored in various <runcommand>.d/ directories. cron and sysvinit use it as well. |
| 21:56.47 | Kronuz | how do I do that during the installation? |
| 21:56.51 | abrotman | run-parts |
| 21:56.52 | karsten | bzed: Just /ignore. |
| 21:56.55 | bzed | karsten: sorry, but I can't understand such people. you ask them 1231 times to do foo and they tell you about bar. sorry but my mind-reading powers are gone |
| 21:56.55 | enouf | tdn: try apt-get update ; apt-get install --reinstall vim-common ; apt-get install vim |
| 21:57.02 | karsten | abrotman: That too. |
| 21:57.17 | karsten | bzed: There's a small town in Arkansas. |
| 21:57.21 | karsten | bzed: He lives just past it. |
| 21:57.23 | Kronuz | (I suppose I have to load the dmraid kernel driver for that, or does Debian detects them by default?) |
| 21:57.28 | dual-man | karsten: can u walk me through how to forward the external ip to an internal xp machine for remote desktop? |
| 21:57.29 | tdn | enouf, trying. |
| 21:57.30 | karsten | bzed: It's called Beyond Hope. |
| 21:57.33 | karsten | dual-man: No. |
| 21:57.43 | bzed | karsten: hehe :P |
| 21:57.58 | tdn | enouf, http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/?paste=455 |
| 21:58.07 | dual-man | karsten: ok, thanks |
| 21:58.26 | karsten | dual-man: Try channel or mailing list. |
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| 21:58.53 | tdn | enouf, it tells me that it is "extremely likely" that a bug should be filed against that package? |
| 21:59.00 | karsten | rpc: Don't pm people w/o asking first. |
| 21:59.19 | enouf | tdn: perhaps comment out the http/ftp repos .. and uncomment the cdrom entry and try again, and don't do the update |
| 21:59.40 | abrotman | !tell dual-man about iptables |
| 21:59.51 | enouf | tdn: so once the sources.list is edited do apt-get install --reinstall vim-common ; apt-get install vim |
| 21:59.53 | tdn | enouf, can't. I am not physically near the server. And the CDROM is not in. |
| 22:00.15 | enouf | tdn: ahh .. well you somehow have to fix that half-installed vim-common pkg |
| 22:00.18 | bzed | tdn: looks more like a mirror with an old vim package, or the new vim package not yet in testing from unstable |
| 22:00.31 | bzed | tdn: since it's allfine for amd64 here |
| 22:00.38 | kjxxxx | bzen: I am able to read from the CDROM including view files |
| 22:00.38 | enouf | bzed: vim-common is the correct version for testing AFAICT |
| 22:00.39 | tdn | bzed, but it was on the cd? |
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| 22:01.03 | bzed | tdn: yeah, it's not absolutely actual. run aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:01.21 | tdn | enouf, wouldn't it work to just apt-get remove --purge vim-common? |
| 22:01.28 | wad | So, I switched over from SUSE to debian, for my home web/email/file/print server. So far, I'm loving it! |
| 22:01.34 | bzed | tdn: etch is not realesed yet, that's why it may happen that there're just old packages on the installer |
| 22:01.42 | tdn | bzed, 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 22:01.43 | wad | But I have one question: What happened to chkconfig, or some related functionality? |
| 22:02.19 | wad | tdn: Etch will probably be released next month. Just use Etch. I'm using now. It works fine. |
| 22:02.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:02.27 | bzed | wad: that was some weird suse stuff anyway :P |
| 22:02.32 | Guerin | FSVO `probably' |
| 22:02.34 | tdn | wad, I am using Etch already :) |
| 22:02.35 | enouf | tdn maybe .. but perhaps you can use dpkg using it's depends option .. or even apt .. i'd have to check .. man apt, man dpkg |
| 22:02.37 | bzed | tdn try aptitude install vim vim-common |
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| 22:02.56 | wad | chkconfig is very nice, actually. |
| 22:03.09 | wad | I want to turn off apache for a while: chkconfig apache2 off |
| 22:03.09 | karsten | bzed: Possibly an aptitude update in there as well. Might be out-of-synch package lists. |
| 22:03.15 | enouf | tdn: yeah .. you can try aptitude as well .. |
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| 22:03.21 | tdn | bzed, http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/?paste=456 |
| 22:03.22 | wad | No messing with deleting symlinks in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 22:03.33 | bzed | karsten: the update was done according to the paste |
| 22:03.37 | enouf | !tell wad about rcconf |
| 22:03.38 | dual-man | this is my nat output: http://pastebin.ca/404238 |
| 22:03.40 | rpmx | I generated backup daily with this format Maildir_Data_01012007.tar.gz ... Maildir_Data_20032007.tar.gz, about 100 users, One user lost your HDD, I need restore and extract, I tried with # zcat Maildir_Data_01012007.tar.gz | tar -tvf - | grep -a user@dominio.com, but not show me path the file of mail that I need for extractor files, Any ideas please thank you |
| 22:03.45 | dual-man | only one rule |
| 22:03.57 | dual-man | is this the reason my pop3 client won't work |
| 22:04.00 | enouf | wad: /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf |
| 22:04.01 | bzed | tdn: you can accept that if aptitude says it's possible, yes |
| 22:04.11 | karsten | bzed: OK |
| 22:04.22 | enouf | wad: attaboy |
| 22:04.28 | wad | :-D |
| 22:05.14 | bzed | tdn: seems there's something missing on the mirror. you could try a different mirror or just wait, I guess you'll ahve the latest version with the next update/upgrade |
| 22:05.18 | tvynr | rpmx: Do you know the name of the file or files you want to extract? |
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| 22:05.24 | enouf | wad: sysv-rc-conf gives you more control over the various {0-6,S} runlevels .. but rccconf does fine for runlevel2 stop/starts |
| 22:05.37 | karsten | rpmx: Just grep the username, not the full address. T |
| 22:05.42 | enouf | wad: update-rc.d is the manual way .. man updtae-rc.d |
| 22:05.48 | karsten | rpmx: The spool path likely doesn't include '@domain.tld' |
| 22:05.48 | tdn | bzed, which mirror would you suggest? |
| 22:06.07 | karsten | bzed: The US ftp mirrors have been particularly bad of late. |
| 22:06.22 | rpmx | no show path |
| 22:06.28 | karsten | tdn: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 22:06.30 | Gokee2 | Does anyone here today have any idea how I could get m-a working? Right now when I do "m-a prepare" is says everything is great but if I try an install ndiswrapper with "m-a a-i ndiswrapper" is says "Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use." I can make it start a build with "m-a -k /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7/ a-i ndiswrapper" however it fa |
| 22:06.30 | Gokee2 | ls partway through with "make[4]: *** [/usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/loader.o] Error 1" I am using debian stable with backports for module-assistant,build-essential,xorg,kde, and headers. The full build log is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=13164 but I have not got a responce from anyone on the form, I also tried the mailing list but not one ever replyed. |
| 22:06.31 | karsten | rpmx: ?? |
| 22:06.44 | bzed | karsten: so ahve been the german... |
| 22:06.50 | bzed | tdn: just wait :) |
| 22:06.57 | rpmx | zcat mailData-260207.tar.gz | tar -tvf - | grep rportocarrero |
| 22:07.00 | *** part/#debian npovoa (n=np@a83-132-166-8.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 22:07.01 | enouf | tdn: looks like aptitude ca/did fix it ? |
| 22:07.03 | rpmx | no show naothing |
| 22:07.07 | enouf | er can/did ? |
| 22:07.11 | bzed | Gokee2: for what do you want to use ndiswrapper? |
| 22:07.21 | karsten | rpmx: No speak english you much? |
| 22:07.28 | Gokee2 | bzed, To make my internal wireless internet work |
| 22:07.33 | rpmx | karsten, zcat mailData-260207.tar.gz | tar -tvf - | grep rportocarrero |
| 22:07.33 | rpmx | , zero return |
| 22:07.36 | karsten | !es |
| 22:07.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:07.38 | bzed | Gokee2: which kind of internal wireless? |
| 22:07.46 | Gokee2 | broadcom |
| 22:08.03 | tdn | enouf, think so. :) |
| 22:08.05 | karsten | Gokee2: You left off a part of that. |
| 22:08.09 | karsten | "Sucks like hell". |
| 22:08.19 | bzed | :D |
| 22:08.28 | enouf | tdn: sweet |
| 22:08.45 | Gokee2 | "54gâ„¢ 802.11b/g WLAN with 125HSM* / SpeedBoosterâ„¢ and BroadRangeâ„¢ support" is what compaq says it is |
| 22:08.47 | karsten | rpmx: Leave off the '| grep ...' part. Any output? |
| 22:08.58 | bzed | Gokee2: and what says lspci -v about it? |
| 22:09.00 | karsten | rpmx: Might want to dump that to a file and go through it. |
| 22:09.08 | tdn | enouf, bzed: aptitude install vim vim-common worked! :D Thanks. |
| 22:09.41 | Gokee2 | bzed, "0000:05:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)" |
| 22:09.46 | bzed | tdn: you're welcome. just make sure you use aptitude update/upgrade often enough until etch is released |
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| 22:09.47 | enouf | !win bzed |
| 22:09.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, bzed! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 22:10.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 740] by debhelper |
| 22:10.08 | bzed | Gokee2: you want to have a look into http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 22:10.32 | tdn | bzed, ok. Is it better to use aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade than to use apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:10.45 | enouf | tdn: sure .. |
| 22:10.46 | tdn | bzed, I am assuming that it is always safe to use dist-upgrade in stead of upgrade. |
| 22:11.00 | bzed | Gokee2: use the howto there. nothing supported by debian, but times better than this broken thing called ndiswrapper |
| 22:11.08 | *** part/#debian zeroflag (i=snake@213-146-165-196.kunde.vdserver.de) |
| 22:11.18 | bzed | Gokee2: you'll have to find out how to install the linux kernel headers for that kernel package from backports, though |
| 22:11.23 | *** part/#debian FlopsyPete (n=p@host86-148-229-106.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:11.23 | enouf | tdn: once you start using aptitude .. better to stick with it .. use CLI though , and install aptitude-doc-en if you like |
| 22:12.15 | Gokee2 | bzed, Thats only good for kismet, it won`t connect to networks, (at least on my laptop) and ndiswrapper works great for me. m-a is being a pain on this computer though |
| 22:12.37 | Gokee2 | bzed, I got the kernel headers from backports |
| 22:12.50 | bzed | tdn: dist-upgrade is not always safe. it'll assume that you want to change from one distribution to a different one and it'll try to install all new packages. sometimes such things result in 2134 packages to be removed, because there're some dependencies missing. upgrade is the way to go then. if it just removes one lib to install one with a different name, all is fine |
| 22:13.20 | bzed | Gokee2: I guess m-a is just not happy with backports ;) |
| 22:13.38 | *** part/#debian zcram (n=kasutaja@ip110.cab46.lsn.starman.ee) |
| 22:13.45 | Gokee2 | my laptop has a "02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4309 802.11a/b/g (rev 02)" so its really close to the compaq laptops card |
| 22:13.49 | bzed | tdn: personalyl I usually don;t like aptitude, especialyl not the cli |
| 22:13.59 | Gokee2 | bzed, How do I make it happy with them? |
| 22:14.08 | Gokee2 | Or at least figure out why its not happy? |
| 22:14.24 | bzed | no clue |
| 22:14.39 | tvynr | rpmx: Talk in the public channel so if we find a solution, everyone can benefit. ;) |
| 22:14.44 | Gokee2 | Is there a command to tell me what version of m-a I have installed and from where? |
| 22:14.48 | tvynr | rpmx: Do you know the name of the file or files you want to extract? |
| 22:15.01 | bzed | Gokee2: dpkg -s |
| 22:15.08 | Gokee2 | (To make sure it did came from backports like I told it do) |
| 22:15.54 | rpmx | tvynr, Yes I want extract files |
| 22:15.57 | bzed | Gokee2: the kernel comes from backports |
| 22:16.00 | tvynr | rpmx: Which files? |
| 22:16.06 | abrotman | bcm43xx with the fwcutter |
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| 22:16.25 | rpmx | tvynr, files that contain name of user email |
| 22:16.35 | rpmx | tvynr, files that contain name of user email |
| 22:16.48 | adx | how do i tell wget to download only the mp3 files from www.example.com/music/ ? |
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| 22:17.13 | bzed | adx: man wget :) |
| 22:17.32 | tvynr | rpmx: Try this... tell me what you want from the directory structure printed by: tar tzf yourTarball.tgz |
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| 22:17.48 | enouf | bzed: that version of vim-common tdn had (appended Etch2 onto the end is weird) note; -->> vim-common [1:7.0-122+1etch2 (now) -> 1:7.0-122+1 (testing)] <<-- .. perhaps a snapshot of d-i at a certain time?) Also note the various versions now ..http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=vim-common&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 22:18.05 | rpmx | for example 1174404304.V301I2fc504.domain.tld, because I use backup maildir of folder /home/backup/Maildir/new |
| 22:18.06 | Gokee2 | bzed, Ya, at least I told it to |
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| 22:18.41 | amaia_ | hi, i am trying to install mysql-server-5.0 from the backports but I get an error :( |
| 22:18.44 | deconvolution | hello, i just installed samba and opened a share folder via SWAT, however, when I login to the server, it repeatly asked me about username/pass even I input the right one. How can I change my config file? |
| 22:18.49 | enouf | tdn: was your netinstaller a daily image from today? |
| 22:18.50 | toko123 | please vote for Ellen Reavey |
| 22:18.50 | JosefK | hmm, has anyone had any luck getting dwww to server the apache2 (xhtml :/) docs? |
| 22:18.56 | JosefK | s/server/serve/ |
| 22:19.01 | bzed | enouf: packages.debian.org lags |
| 22:19.03 | amaia_ | i need to install moodle and it requires a high version than the one available in the repos |
| 22:19.17 | tvynr | rpmx: Well, I'm not sure that I understannd how exactly you want to extract the tarball. If you just want to extract every file, the answer is: tar -C target.dir -xzf yourTarball.tgz |
| 22:19.25 | enouf | bzed: heh try wsvn :-P |
| 22:19.25 | bzed | enouf: 1:7.0-122+1etch2 is on my mirror for etch today |
| 22:19.27 | toko123 | moodle a pice of cake |
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| 22:19.40 | enouf | bzed: hrmm .. ok .. went by p.d.o |
| 22:19.41 | valdyn | JosefK: to what? |
| 22:19.41 | Gokee2 | bzed, How do I know if it came from backports? dpkg -S does not tell me where it came from |
| 22:19.44 | tvynr | rpmx: If you only want to extract some directories from the tarball, use: tar -C target.dir -xzf yourTarball.tgz someFile someDir/someOtherFile ... |
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| 22:20.06 | JosefK | valdyn, it's sending the docs in /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual out as plaintext |
| 22:20.09 | valdyn | Gokee2: apt-cache policy |
| 22:20.11 | toko123 | http://www.wvia.org/education/AoW06-07/index.shtml |
| 22:20.16 | toko123 | ellen reavey |
| 22:20.25 | valdyn | JosefK: what is? which url? |
| 22:20.25 | bzed | Gokee2: your kernel came from backports, we know that. I doubt that m-a is on backports |
| 22:20.28 | toko123 | all musicians |
| 22:20.32 | toko123 | claaing |
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| 22:20.36 | toko123 | all musicains |
| 22:20.39 | Ronin | has what to do with debian though toko123 ? |
| 22:20.50 | unsolo | Need help getting intel PWLA8391GT working on amd64-sarge anyone ? |
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| 22:20.51 | JosefK | valdyn, dww :) through apache, ie. http://myhost/dwww/blah |
| 22:20.53 | JosefK | !dwww |
| 22:21.02 | toko123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.02 | unsolo | e1000 module doesnt detect it |
| 22:21.02 | toko123 | tia |
| 22:21.10 | JosefK | valdyn, http://packages.debian.org/stable/doc/dwww.html |
| 22:21.13 | bzed | unsolo: use etch |
| 22:21.21 | bzed | unsolo: or a kernel from backports |
| 22:21.24 | toko123 | for hororing a parentail requeat |
| 22:21.24 | valdyn | JosefK: sure i know dwww |
| 22:21.33 | bzed | !tell unsolo about bpo |
| 22:21.34 | bzed | !tell unsolo about etch |
| 22:21.51 | JosefK | valdyn, ah, thanks - try browsing the docs from the apache2-doc package, it sends it as plaintext wrapped in its own header/footer |
| 22:21.52 | toko123 | debian builds community |
| 22:21.59 | toko123 | vorte ellen reavey |
| 22:22.04 | Ronin | !ops toko123 is spamming some music crap |
| 22:22.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ronin complains about: toko123 is spamming some music crap |
| 22:22.05 | toko123 | http://www.wvia.org/education/AoW06-07/index.shtml |
| 22:22.09 | JosefK | valdyn, I guess I could just symlink that path into my docroot, but that feels like a hack |
| 22:22.14 | Gokee2 | valdyn, That just says where it would come from, I changed my /etc/apt/prefrences to make backports higher at the time I install m-a |
| 22:22.29 | Ronin | and dont get me wrong i love music but give me a break |
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| 22:22.49 | tdn | enouf, yes. |
| 22:22.53 | valdyn | Gokee2: it sais which versions are available from where |
| 22:23.00 | valdyn | Gokee2: compare that to the installed version... |
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| 22:23.27 | valdyn | JosefK: /usr/share/doc folders aren't working at all atm ( on this box ) |
| 22:23.39 | bzed | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 22:23.39 | Gokee2 | valdyn, Ah the starts mean its installed |
| 22:23.46 | enouf | tdn: ok .. it appears as bzed noted ; some mirrors weren't quite yet synced up between vim-runtime, vim-common, and vim versions |
| 22:23.48 | tdn | enouf, bzed ok. |
| 22:23.59 | Gokee2 | SO I have *** 0.10.2bpo1 0 750 http://www.backports.org sarge-backports/main Packages |
| 22:24.00 | tdn | enouf, oh ok. |
| 22:24.06 | Gokee2 | Of m-a |
| 22:24.18 | unsolo | bzed: sorry for the noob question but how do i upgrade from sarge to etch w/o risk to apache mysql ? |
| 22:24.21 | JosefK | valdyn, weird :/ |
| 22:24.54 | JosefK | valdyn, I guess I'll just read the docs at httpd.apache.org |
| 22:25.00 | bzed | enouf, tdn: such things may happen if packages drop in while a mirror is mirroring. not a big problem usually |
| 22:25.27 | valdyn | JosefK: no cgi scripts are working |
| 22:25.38 | Gokee2 | HEY, why does backports not have build-essential? |
| 22:25.47 | Triona | unsolo: pin apache and mysql to sarge temporarily. |
| 22:25.48 | enouf | bzed: right .. it's like "please come back in an hour" .. hehe |
| 22:25.57 | JosefK | valdyn, on etch? |
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| 22:26.03 | Gokee2 | I thought build-essential needed to match m-a? |
| 22:26.06 | valdyn | JosefK: sid |
| 22:26.11 | JosefK | valdyn, ah :) |
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| 22:26.12 | Triona | unsolo: then do you as much of the upgrade as you can |
| 22:26.37 | valdyn | JosefK: that's a matter of configuring apache2, nothing directly related to dwww, but i don't know yet what exactly i ahve to change |
| 22:26.40 | unsolo | Triona: now why whould i have to do that just to get support for a intel card.. |
| 22:26.42 | enouf | bzed: smae kind of things happen when people on dialup use the cdimage dir /current instead of their specific Arch dir |
| 22:26.57 | Triona | then make sure you have the sarge packages on-hand for mysql and apache in case you have to roll back |
| 22:27.00 | valdyn | JosefK: try localhost/cgi-bin/dwww, that should show a perl script in plaintext, at least it does here |
| 22:27.17 | enouf | bzed: ouch :-P .. you're d/l and the mirror you're d/l from is getting updated .. lol |
| 22:27.18 | unsolo | is it a kernel thing ? |
| 22:27.25 | JosefK | valdyn, it's on another host, but it's serving everything okay, cgi scripts et al are fine |
| 22:27.35 | enouf | bzed: 67 hours later .. you find out :-P |
| 22:27.35 | bzed | enouf: shit happens :D |
| 22:27.42 | Triona | unsolo: you asked how to upgrade to etch without risk to mysql/apache, that's all I saw of the conversation when I switched into the window. |
| 22:27.43 | JosefK | valdyn, the problem's specific to the XHTML apache2-doc pages |
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| 22:27.58 | enouf | bzed: they be the b0z0 ;-) |
| 22:28.22 | enouf | bzed: i never did it, but thad the pleasure of watching a b0z0 whine about it on one of the dev lists |
| 22:28.24 | k31th | How do i find a list of mirrors for apt seems my mirror is offline now. |
| 22:28.28 | k31th | I need to change them. |
| 22:28.30 | Triona | unsolo: anyway, you upgrade what you can without touching apache/mysql, make sure you have packages to rollback, and then test the upgrade.... chances are it will work fine unless you have a really wierd setup though |
| 22:28.31 | JosefK | valdyn, ie. http://josefk.homelinux.net/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/install.html.en |
| 22:28.35 | valdyn | JosefK: http://localhost/cgi-bin/dwww is not showing plaintext? |
| 22:28.45 | JosefK | valdyn, nope, see above link |
| 22:28.55 | Triona | alternatively, you can make an etch chroot to test your apache / mysql setup |
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| 22:29.19 | dual-man | if i go iptables -L, what tables am i getting |
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| 22:29.32 | dkr | filter |
| 22:29.35 | unsolo | yes after bzed told me to do that to get intel PWLA8391GT ethernet working |
| 22:29.48 | dkr | go back to #iptables dual-man I asked you some question abotu your commands. :) |
| 22:29.57 | valdyn | JosefK: i see, im not sure dwww is supposed to handle html files at all |
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| 22:30.07 | JosefK | valdyn, ah, that'll be the problem then |
| 22:30.10 | valdyn | JosefK: found any in /usr/share/doc that 'work' ? |
| 22:30.19 | pickcoder | unsolo: why did you need m-a from a backport? |
| 22:30.24 | valdyn | JosefK: it just shows plaintext, coincidentally that's html in your case.. |
| 22:30.36 | deadcat | whats the ascii code for the degree thing using printf? |
| 22:30.53 | JosefK | valdyn, that's a shame, a lot of the docs come as html these days |
| 22:31.01 | unsolo | ? pickcoder because i like to play safe but thats it.. |
| 22:31.02 | pickcoder | deadcat: oo..oo I know that one.. lemme look in my source |
| 22:31.06 | valdyn | JosefK: you don't need dwww for thos |
| 22:31.13 | unsolo | where is the best migration guide ? |
| 22:31.19 | JosefK | valdyn, I guess, I'll just symlink it to /var/www |
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| 22:31.39 | unsolo | and btw that will probably not help me with my network problems unless etch runs a far newer kernel |
| 22:31.39 | deadcat | pickcoder: thanks. (= |
| 22:31.54 | pickcoder | it's base-10 176 ASCII |
| 22:31.55 | enouf | ChanServ wb |
| 22:32.20 | bzed | k31th: by googling for debian mirros or just lookign at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 22:32.42 | pickcoder | unsolo: if the source code for the module works with 2.6.8 then you only need the kernel build stuff for 2.6.8 |
| 22:32.48 | enouf | unsolo: you mean this? --> /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 22:32.52 | pickcoder | which in turn requires the regular stuff from Sarge |
| 22:32.58 | deadcat | pickcoder: ya. its 176. but how to get it display via printf? in awk especially |
| 22:33.04 | pickcoder | er |
| 22:33.11 | pickcoder | deadcat: hex? |
| 22:33.15 | adx | how can i instruct wget not to keep the site's structure and not making new subdirs? i just want to download the files into the current dir |
| 22:33.19 | deadcat | pickcoder: sure. |
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| 22:33.29 | rpmx | tvynr, If i know the name the files, very easy, but files that generated fot postfix and Maildir are diferente each backup daily.tar.gz contain 3000 emails aprox. and I have in data 100 GB Its very much data |
| 22:33.39 | pickcoder | %B0X |
| 22:33.41 | deadcat | pickcoder: awk '{printf "%.0fF ", 9 * $3 / 5 + 32}' /proc/cobalt/sensors/thermal |
| 22:33.51 | unsolo | pickcoder: well i was hoping 2.6.8 had a module buildt in but i guess not |
| 22:33.57 | deadcat | pickcoder: need to replace that F |
| 22:33.59 | bzed | unsolo: you could get the recent module from the e1000 site and install it. but I thought you were installing a new system as such problems usualyl do not happen somewhere inbetween |
| 22:34.10 | unsolo | k |
| 22:34.11 | pickcoder | printf to me means C |
| 22:34.13 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 22:34.22 | bzed | unsolo: there's a e1000 module in 2.6.8 as far as I remember, but it doesn;t cover all recent models |
| 22:34.26 | unsolo | no this is a running server with 40+ webpages |
| 22:34.54 | unsolo | one of the ethernet adapters broke down today |
| 22:35.07 | enouf | deadcat: like that --> ° <-- it's unicode 00B0 |
| 22:35.29 | bzed | unsolo: aah ok |
| 22:35.30 | valdyn | JosefK: ok, i fixed my cgi issue. the howtos are html and work fine via that /usr/share/doc thing, so i guess you xhtml files can be fixed too |
| 22:35.42 | bzed | unsolo: dumb me should have asked that before |
| 22:36.27 | deadcat | enouf: shouldnt it be something like printf "\033[something" ? thats how the color stuff works. but i cant recall the special chars.. i have them in my PS1, but it uses diff format |
| 22:36.34 | bzed | unsolo: install the kernel headers, get the driver from http://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000, move the old one out of your modules directory, install the new one... |
| 22:36.49 | bzed | unsolo: do you know how to do such things? |
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| 22:36.53 | pickcoder | \ are octal representations if I'm not mistaken |
| 22:37.12 | valdyn | JosefK: first issue is that the files you are trying don't have the suffix .html but .en, thats bad... |
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| 22:37.34 | enouf | deadcat: meh .. you got me .. i recall about as much as you .. but I didn't think a degree symbol was ascii available ... i don;t know though ;-( |
| 22:37.34 | gentgeen__ | I keep getting errors when trying to upgrade/install/remove anything with apt or aptitude due to some error with tftpd-hda |
| 22:37.35 | JosefK | valdyn, indeed, it's hard to think why they're packaged like that |
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| 22:37.49 | pickcoder | enouf: it is available in the extended ascii charset |
| 22:37.59 | valdyn | JosefK: second is that dwww indeed doesnt deal properly with xhtml, or so it seems, since even files with the proper suffix are broken ( though differently ) |
| 22:38.01 | enouf | pickcoder: ahh .. ext'd .. heh |
| 22:38.07 | deadcat | ya |
| 22:38.08 | valdyn | JosefK: dww is processing those wrongly |
| 22:38.14 | unsolo | bzed: gentoo user so shouldnt be to hard.. |
| 22:38.16 | JosefK | valdyn, thankfully it's academic, the same docs are at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ |
| 22:38.20 | deadcat | enouf: i'll look into my .bash_prompt then. thanks. |
| 22:38.22 | valdyn | JosefK: yea |
| 22:38.23 | unsolo | its the way i like it ;) |
| 22:38.28 | JosefK | valdyn, I'll grab the source and see what I can do |
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| 22:38.44 | gentgeen__ | error is pretty long, don't want to paste it here, but it starts with Stopping HPA's tftpd: in.tftpdinvoke-rc.d: initscript tftpd-hpa, action "stop" failed. |
| 22:38.49 | bzed | unsolo: the headers package is something liek kernel-headers-ourkernelversion... |
| 22:38.56 | unsolo | yup! |
| 22:39.17 | enouf | deadcat: IIRC, the \ is PS1 and such are interpreted .. something like that .. i read all about it one time, and forgot most of it already :-P |
| 22:39.17 | JosefK | valdyn, arghh, perl :( |
| 22:39.49 | enouf | er s/is/in |
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| 22:40.03 | deadcat | enouf: yeep (= |
| 22:40.26 | pickcoder | \033 is char 27 in octal |
| 22:40.29 | pickcoder | which is <esc> |
| 22:40.41 | deadcat | enouf: i have my screen session to show APM, wireless signal and TEMP |
| 22:40.57 | wad | Dang! I *love* sysv-rc-conf! Waaay better that SUSE's chkconfig. |
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| 22:41.14 | pickcoder | each terminal emulation has a different set of escape sequences for color and such |
| 22:41.33 | pickcoder | wyse60 is fun.. I deal with it daily |
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| 22:42.03 | enouf | deadcat: much nicer reason to achieve that, instead of looking for a funky looking prompt to screeshot off to the tubes .. but pickcoder knows much more about it than I as you can tell |
| 22:42.38 | enouf | wad: happy camper? .. heh |
| 22:42.43 | wad | Oh yes. |
| 22:42.49 | wad | Debian just rocks! |
| 22:43.02 | gentgeen__ | can anyone explain why /msg would not work for me here, but works fine in other rooms? |
| 22:43.02 | Ronin | we like to think so |
| 22:43.31 | Ronin | gentgeen__: blocked by your target? |
| 22:43.32 | enouf | wad: you've been promoted to /msg dpkg reference ;-) enjoy |
| 22:43.34 | pickcoder | deadcat: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/May2004/article335.shtml |
| 22:44.04 | enouf | psst wad .. shhh .. we reserve that one for the true believers .. |
| 22:44.11 | wad | lol |
| 22:44.14 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.22 | pickcoder | for a degree symbol |
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| 22:44.31 | Ronin | gentgeen__: msg me and lets see |
| 22:44.32 | bzed | !milk foosel |
| 22:44.43 | enouf | !prize pickcoder |
| 22:44.48 | deadcat | pickcoder: thanks |
| 22:44.51 | enouf | bah .. sorry mate |
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| 22:44.59 | gentgeen__ | Ronin, just sent a hello msg |
| 22:45.12 | bzed | !enouf++ |
| 22:45.14 | Ronin | got it |
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| 22:47.42 | wad | Hi, TimRiker. |
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| 22:48.04 | tmn | Hi, I tried to install nullidentd and open ports in my firewall/routern ... but my ident on irc still don't work |
| 22:48.09 | tmn | any suggestion? |
| 22:48.31 | Ronin | tmn: dont use it? |
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| 22:49.07 | tmn | But if I want too |
| 22:49.17 | karsten | pickcoder: '\' not '/' |
| 22:49.22 | Ronin | then you open 113 and forward back to your irc box |
| 22:49.33 | k31th | how can i get a list of debian mirrors? |
| 22:49.35 | k31th | for apt |
| 22:49.53 | karsten | k31th: Dude, haven't you been told like a dozen times already? |
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| 22:50.03 | karsten | k31th: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 22:50.10 | tmn | I have forwared that port :/ |
| 22:50.26 | Ronin | and ident is actually running on the target? |
| 22:50.38 | pickcoder | karsten: yes |
| 22:50.41 | enouf | why bzed .. thank you kindly for the karma ;-) .. i should reciporcate more often |
| 22:50.42 | k31th | sorry karsten missed them |
| 22:50.44 | pickcoder | wrong slash |
| 22:50.51 | tmn | seems like it does |
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| 22:50.57 | karsten | pickcoder: They call me the slasher... |
| 22:50.58 | pickcoder | what's funny is it doesn't print the extended ascii.. it prints a zero instead |
| 22:51.12 | Ronin | umm tmn you are using ident on freenode |
| 22:51.13 | wols_ | tmn: is nullidentd listening? |
| 22:51.19 | pickcoder | you can also use \xB0 |
| 22:51.25 | Ronin | wols_: do a /whois on them am i reading that correctly? |
| 22:51.31 | pickcoder | or \u00B0 |
| 22:51.45 | piztek | can anyone help me again, I've gotten the laptop to connect to the internet and retrieve some updates, and I can startx, but KDM does not take over, and kde does not start |
| 22:51.51 | pickcoder | er.. except that one does't work |
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| 22:51.56 | tmn | Ronin: it's not this box... |
| 22:52.01 | tmn | it's another debian box |
| 22:52.07 | Ronin | behind the same firewall? |
| 22:52.11 | tmn | nope |
| 22:52.14 | tmn | on another network |
| 22:52.17 | piztek | wols_: are you here? |
| 22:52.21 | enouf | piztek: can you connect?> |
| 22:52.22 | wols_ | yes |
| 22:52.28 | piztek | enouf: i can connect |
| 22:52.33 | piztek | x is running |
| 22:52.42 | piztek | but no display manager it appears |
| 22:52.42 | enouf | !tell piztek about install kde |
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| 22:52.56 | wols_ | piztek: stop X/kde. then on the console as root: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 22:53.03 | rpc | anyone using virtualbox around? i wonder how to send ctrl+alt+del to the guest |
| 22:53.09 | pickcoder | only the "linux" term type shows a degree sym |
| 22:53.11 | enouf | piztek: from the prompt instead of statx, try startkde |
| 22:53.17 | pickcoder | wonder if wyse does |
| 22:53.20 | enouf | er /statx/startx |
| 22:53.35 | piztek | oh you guys are the best |
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| 22:53.58 | wad | !karma enouf |
| 22:53.58 | dpkg | enouf has karma of 2 |
| 22:54.06 | wad | !dpkg++ |
| 22:54.19 | piztek | who, it started with a blue screen and only a cursor |
| 22:54.24 | piztek | whoa* |
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| 22:54.33 | enouf | piztek: dpkg-reconfigure kdm .. and select it as you default if necessary .. man update-alternatives for more about default x-window-managers, www-browsers and such |
| 22:54.42 | pickcoder | F8 seems to work for every other terminal type |
| 22:55.11 | karsten | How do you bypass the host key check in openSSH? |
| 22:55.13 | enouf | .. <blushes> like a lil' schoolgirl .. heh |
| 22:55.17 | piztek | ctrl+alt+backspace keeps taking me to login |
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| 22:55.31 | enouf | piztek: you're killing X when you do that |
| 22:55.35 | karsten | pickcoder: That kills X |
| 22:55.42 | karsten | piztek: ^^ |
| 22:55.43 | enouf | piztek: what do you want to happen |
| 22:55.46 | karsten | pickcoder: NM, missfire |
| 22:55.49 | pickcoder | piztek: kill gdm or xdm if you want to stop X completely |
| 22:56.10 | wad | piztek: That's like saying, "When I flip this switch to the DOWN position, the light turns off!" |
| 22:56.32 | enouf | piztek: KDM used to have a "CONSOLE only" choice way back .. they stole it and beat it dead with a stcik though ;-( |
| 22:56.33 | piztek | how do i exit man? |
| 22:56.38 | tvynr | Does anyone have any suggestions how I might list devices which are likely to contain a filesystem (such as /dev/hdc, /dev/sda, /dev/scd0, etc.) and would exclude those devices that won't (/dev/ttyS0, /dev/console, etc.)? Or am I stuck with hunting for magic names? |
| 22:56.38 | wad | q |
| 22:56.54 | piztek | so kill gdm? |
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| 22:57.15 | pickcoder | ger.. kdm.. not xdm |
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| 22:57.18 | phreqmod | tvynr, major numbers probably... |
| 22:57.19 | pickcoder | piztek: yeah |
| 22:57.24 | piztek | how do i do that? |
| 22:57.25 | pickcoder | in an xterm |
| 22:57.31 | pickcoder | then logout |
| 22:57.31 | piztek | kill kdm? |
| 22:57.34 | enouf | piztek: best way to drop to console only is /etc/init.d/kdm stop likely .. |
| 22:57.51 | piztek | okay did that |
| 22:57.52 | pickcoder | piztek: I dunno.. which window manager are you using? |
| 22:57.53 | piztek | now what |
| 22:57.54 | wad | piztek: Or, CTRL-ALT-F2 |
| 22:58.10 | piztek | that's done, now what |
| 22:58.11 | wad | CTRL-ALT-F7 to get back to X. |
| 22:58.11 | enouf | he doesn't even know .. likely matacity |
| 22:58.18 | enouf | er metacity |
| 22:58.20 | piztek | kdm is installed |
| 22:58.31 | pickcoder | piztek: kill X as before or just log out |
| 22:58.32 | piztek | and selected in default-display-manager |
| 22:58.38 | pyroplasm | tvynr: block devices are likely to have filesystems. Character special files rather not. |
| 22:58.40 | piztek | with what command |
| 22:58.41 | enouf | wad: that's the other way .. duh :-P |
| 22:58.53 | wad | ;) |
| 22:59.06 | tvynr | pyroplasm: Ah... this is true. Is that what blkid does? Looks at all the block devices in /dev? |
| 22:59.07 | pickcoder | deadcat: which terminal emu are you setting up for? |
| 22:59.08 | piztek | how do i kill x? |
| 22:59.14 | pickcoder | piztek: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 22:59.19 | enouf | wad but that leaves no X enhancements , such as xterm :-P |
| 22:59.23 | phreqmod | tvynr, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lanana/device-list/devices-2.6+.txt might be helpful |
| 22:59.23 | piztek | okay i'm at command line, now what? |
| 22:59.26 | wad | well, there is that. |
| 22:59.55 | piztek | wols_: now what? |
| 23:00.00 | enouf | wad: biut to be honest, i think killing/stopping kdm kills x anyways |
| 23:00.06 | wad | Ah. |
| 23:00.12 | tvynr | phreqmod: Thanks |
| 23:00.16 | phreqmod | yw |
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| 23:00.18 | piztek | enouf: what do i do now? |
| 23:00.22 | wad | Whatever you do, do NOT type this: :(){ :|:& };: |
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| 23:00.32 | enouf | wad: cut that out |
| 23:00.34 | enouf | :-P |
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| 23:00.48 | wad | I told him NOT to type it! |
| 23:00.48 | enouf | forkbombadeir |
| 23:00.49 | piztek | enouf: what now? |
| 23:00.53 | enouf | piztek: where you at? |
| 23:01.02 | piztek | command line |
| 23:01.02 | piztek | black screen terminal |
| 23:01.13 | enouf | piztek: from ctrl-alt-f1-6 ? |
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| 23:01.21 | karsten | piztek: Login prompt on same? |
| 23:01.22 | piztek | ctrl atl backspace |
| 23:01.24 | karsten | piztek: Hit <enter> |
| 23:01.25 | phreqmod | tvynr, an easier way is to go to /dev/disk and choose one display criteria (by-id,by-path, by-uuid), don't know if that's complete enough for your purposes, it only displays disks |
| 23:01.27 | enouf | piztek: oh .. you killed kdm ? |
| 23:01.30 | piztek | yeah |
| 23:01.42 | enouf | piztek: and what do you want to do? |
| 23:01.46 | piztek | start kde |
| 23:01.53 | enouf | type startkde |
| 23:01.56 | karsten | enouf: Sometimes that fuxnors the console, depends on video settings. |
| 23:02.04 | piztek | startkde command not found |
| 23:02.06 | enouf | karsten: indeed .. |
| 23:02.13 | piztek | i installed kdesktop and kwin and all that |
| 23:02.25 | piztek | and kde-base |
| 23:02.33 | enouf | piztek: ouch .. install something like apt-get install kde as root |
| 23:02.36 | piztek | startkde not found |
| 23:02.38 | piztek | okay brb |
| 23:02.43 | enouf | piztek: wait |
| 23:02.46 | phreqmod | Er, congrats RichiH |
| 23:02.54 | tvynr | phreqmod: I'm creating a LiveCD which should run entirely out of a tmpfs once it's loaded. So I'm currently working on the boot process by tapping into the neat script framework provided by initramfs-tools. Essentially, I've gotten to the early userspace; I need to find the CD, USB key drive, or whatever from which I'm being booted and pull data off of it. |
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| 23:03.10 | enouf | piztek: also run update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and choose kwin |
| 23:03.23 | torrr | anyone knows why pure-ftpd allows only two users at once? I used -c 200 -C200 option to it. |
| 23:03.34 | RichiH | phreqmod: thanks ;) |
| 23:03.45 | enouf | !hug RichiH |
| 23:03.58 | RichiH | heh |
| 23:04.03 | enouf | for whatever reasons, yet to be determined ;-) |
| 23:04.07 | phreqmod | Sure mate, hope you enjoy the day |
| 23:04.15 | enouf | reads the scrollback |
| 23:05.07 | enouf | wad: i know you said not .. but still .. you never know who's lurking .. got me ;-) |
| 23:05.21 | enouf | !love wad |
| 23:05.27 | phreqmod | tvynr, I do not know the details of working within those constraints... either idea above could work though, the CD and disks appear in 7dev/disk, and so does USB |
| 23:05.30 | deadcat | pickcoder: xterm. |
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| 23:06.43 | deadcat | pickcoder: that color is crap. (= mine looks better. |
| 23:06.43 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 23:06.47 | deadcat | pickcoder: from the link |
| 23:07.03 | pickcoder | deadcat: ok... the B0 should work for linux term type |
| 23:07.06 | TuxMeister | just one thing, can I tell "make" to use the version of gcc I whant, or that can't be? |
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| 23:07.26 | pickcoder | yeah.. it's horrid but atleast you can pick apart the sequences and make your own |
| 23:07.50 | enouf | TuxMeister: yeah .. got the version you want to use installed? |
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| 23:08.02 | piztek | the connection keeps timing out, what should i do? |
| 23:08.02 | TuxMeister | enouf, yep... |
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| 23:08.30 | karsten | TuxMeister: Yes. Generally "GCC=<value>" |
| 23:08.32 | maddash | !wep for debian |
| 23:08.34 | deadcat | pickcoder: so how do i put the B0 in printf? |
| 23:08.35 | piztek | enouf: the connection keeps timing out, what should i do? |
| 23:08.41 | pickcoder | deadcat: if you wanted to, you could compare env term to linux or not and change the print output for other terms |
| 23:08.45 | enouf | TuxMeister: not sure if you want to export or use make options |
| 23:08.46 | tvynr | phreqmod: Gotcha. That seems like the best plan... not sure I want to go trying to mount every block device in /dev. :) |
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| 23:09.02 | pickcoder | run printf "\xB0" in the console |
| 23:09.05 | enouf | piztek: make the connection not time out ;-) |
| 23:09.05 | deadcat | pickcoder: right now i just want to print anything instead of 176 |
| 23:09.11 | piztek | lol, how? |
| 23:09.12 | tvynr | I always feel ridiculous for this but I can never remember it... how do I resolve the value of a symbolic link on the command line of a sh? |
| 23:09.24 | Guerin | tvynr: ls -l? |
| 23:09.33 | piztek | enouf: how? |
| 23:09.35 | enouf | piztek: I don't even know what you have .. wired? wireless? |
| 23:09.41 | piztek | wired |
| 23:09.44 | TuxMeister | enouf, I want make options, it's for this package (lirc) cause I need to load a couple of modules and debian won't do it, since gcc versions are different |
| 23:10.01 | tvynr | Guerin: I'd rather not have to parse the output. I was looking for something like REAL_VALUE="$(somecommand "$LINKNAME")" |
| 23:10.07 | pickcoder | if you get a shaded block or a zero then it's the wrong char code for the teminal type you're using |
| 23:10.15 | TuxMeister | karsten, then the commando should be "make GCC=3.4.2" (example)? |
| 23:10.24 | karsten | TuxMeister: NFC. |
| 23:10.28 | piztek | enouf: ? |
| 23:10.33 | pickcoder | the locales also affects it |
| 23:10.37 | karsten | TuxMeister: ... but that might work. |
| 23:10.46 | TuxMeister | karsten, NFC? |
| 23:10.49 | pickcoder | but for chars under 256, they're all the same across UTF encodings |
| 23:10.53 | enouf | TuxMeister: I'm really not well knowledgeable in this area, though I could klugde through it .. after reviewing the docs .. but perhaps seek others' advice .. ok ;-) |
| 23:10.54 | TuxMeister | was that swearing? xD |
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| 23:10.58 | valdyn | TuxMeister: make CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 23:11.11 | TuxMeister | cool |
| 23:11.21 | Guerin | tvynr: don't know how to do it without parsing at least a little |
| 23:11.22 | TuxMeister | thanks valdyn, I'll try just right now |
| 23:11.28 | frankr | What's the best / easiest way to have vnc-like remote administration? |
| 23:11.36 | valdyn | TuxMeister: err. duh, 'CC=gcc-3.4 make', if the makefile uses CC |
| 23:11.41 | unsolo | yes after bzed told me to do that to get intel PWLA8391GT ethernet working i just buildt the latest module but that didnt help |
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| 23:11.50 | tvynr | Guerin: I'm certain there's a command to do this without any parsing. I just can't ever remember the name 'cause it's something kind of unintuitive. |
| 23:12.11 | enouf | TuxMeister: I'm afraid to even ppoint you to the kernel docs for fear they may comflict with the debian make-kpkg, and module-assistant methods |
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| 23:12.16 | Guerin | by the time you find it, you could have just written an awk line |
| 23:12.16 | bzed | unsolo: it did not? |
| 23:12.36 | karsten | frankr: ssh |
| 23:12.41 | bzed | unsolo: are you sure you've used modprobe -r e1000 to remove the old one and modprobed the new one? |
| 23:12.49 | JosefK | valdyn, the problem's in the way dwww-convert checks the mime type of a file, it only uses the (ack!) extension |
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| 23:12.58 | unsolo | bzed: tried yes |
| 23:13.05 | unsolo | even rebooted |
| 23:13.05 | valdyn | JosefK: yep |
| 23:13.12 | valdyn | JosefK: ..and it cant parse xhtml |
| 23:13.14 | unsolo | since i managed to lock it up |
| 23:13.26 | frankr | karsten, I need to be able to see/use apps; how do I do that with ssh? I thought it was only possible to have a shell with that :| |
| 23:13.28 | TuxMeister | enouf, xD that's a big deal being afraind of that |
| 23:13.37 | JosefK | valdyn, well, if it guessed the mime type it would just send it down as XHTML to the user (which is fine) |
| 23:14.17 | TuxMeister | valdyn, I'll try that way |
| 23:14.17 | valdyn | JosefK: nope |
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| 23:14.18 | karsten | frankr: X11 |
| 23:14.18 | deadcat | pickcoder: perl -wle 'print "\xb0"' |
| 23:14.18 | karsten | frankr: ... erm, X11 forwarding can do that. |
| 23:14.18 | JosefK | valdyn, how so? |
| 23:14.36 | enouf | TuxMeister: well .. it's all vvery involved .. I'm not "afraid" of anybody, i just don't want to be responsible for breakiing your system beyond comprehension .. I'm my own worst critic ;-) |
| 23:14.45 | frankr | karsten, is it easy to setup? And are there any good guides/howtos |
| 23:14.45 | karsten | frankr: I'd rather tunnel an app than a whole desktop, personally. You could use vnc or NX if you preferred, of course. I also generally find that shell is more than enough on a remote system. |
| 23:14.52 | jetscreamer | break it! break it! |
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| 23:14.59 | valdyn | JosefK: it changes the .html doc file and adds its own header. does crap with xhtml files |
| 23:15.01 | deadcat | pickcoder: enouf: this works: awk '{printf "%.0f\xB0 ", 9 * $3 / 5 + 32}' /proc/cobalt/sensors/thermal |
| 23:15.04 | unsolo | thats strange it seems its not picking up my new modules |
| 23:15.06 | enouf | piztek: please tell me more about your bad conection |
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| 23:15.11 | karsten | frankr: ssh -X user@remotehost <command> |
| 23:15.13 | bzed | unsolo: that card is supposed to work with the default e1000 in the kernel from at least 2.6.18 |
| 23:15.19 | TuxMeister | enouf, that's the best way of being sincere with yourself |
| 23:15.32 | karsten | frankr: Remote must allow ssh X11 forwarding in the sshd_conf file. |
| 23:15.34 | enouf | deadcat: aha! .. the xB0 .. that equates to unicode in hex? |
| 23:15.41 | valdyn | JosefK: http://valdyn.us.to/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/configuring.html |
| 23:15.50 | enouf | TuxMeister: and i sleep better too ;-) |
| 23:15.55 | bzed | unsolo: you've used the e1000-7.4.27.tar.gz ? |
| 23:15.59 | deadcat | enouf: i guess so. it works from the commandline |
| 23:16.02 | karsten | frankr: If that command is, say, a terminal, you can just launch GUI commands from it. |
| 23:16.04 | PDani_ | hi |
| 23:16.15 | enouf | TuxMeister: that ... and after a good rodgering with babydoll :-P |
| 23:16.23 | tvynr | Guerin: For the record, it's called "readlink" |
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| 23:16.31 | phreqmod | tvynr, readlink? |
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| 23:16.37 | JosefK | valdyn, could not connect :/ browsing locally I can't see anything changed in the source |
| 23:16.39 | spundun | hi all... |
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| 23:16.53 | tvynr | phreqmod: readlink is a command that will output to stdout the resolution of a symlink |
| 23:16.57 | JosefK | valdyn, according to the script it just chucks out the original file |
| 23:16.58 | PDani_ | how can i apply a grsecurity2 patch on the 2.6.18 debian-patched kernel of etch, and compile it debian-way? |
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| 23:17.06 | enouf | deadcat: thanks for reporting back your results .. |
| 23:17.16 | deadcat | enouf: no problem. |
| 23:17.16 | phreqmod | tvynr, thanks, I know that :) Wasn't that what you asked? |
| 23:17.17 | spundun | when I install a new kernel, why does it not appear in my grub menu automatically? (the grub menu I seee on reboot) |
| 23:17.18 | unsolo | yes but for some reason its taking the 2.6.8-11-generic instead of the 2.6.8-12-amd64-smp |
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| 23:17.30 | enouf | deadcat: did greycat help deadcat ? :-p |
| 23:17.36 | PDani_ | i tried it with kernel-patch-grsecurity2 package, and make-kpkg, but it complained about the kernel version |
| 23:17.36 | deadcat | enouf: nope (= |
| 23:17.42 | tvynr | phreqmod: Yeah. Didn't get an answer so I Googled a bit more. It's a tricky thing for which to Google. |
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| 23:17.46 | enouf | !pony deadcat |
| 23:17.50 | Guerin | tvynr: ah, cool. |
| 23:18.23 | phreqmod | tvynr, ahh, sorry, you had already found it and said so, missed that. |
| 23:18.28 | valdyn | JosefK: i don't see the real page when looking at that file via dwww |
| 23:18.34 | tvynr | phreqmod: np :) |
| 23:18.40 | enouf | !bzed++ |
| 23:18.48 | jetscreamer | valdyn: bad link here too |
| 23:19.22 | piztek | enouf: i think my bad connection consists of lost of timeouts |
| 23:19.23 | JosefK | valdyn, those .html files in apache2-doc really do just contain that |
| 23:19.31 | deadcat | enouf: cool. my screen session shows wireless and temp now (= |
| 23:19.44 | valdyn | jetscreamer: bad link? probably congested |
| 23:19.45 | JosefK | valdyn, try browsing dwww's html docs, it just chucks out the original file |
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| 23:20.10 | unsolo | bzed: think my problem is not really knowing why when i emerged kernel-image it didnt install those kernel-modules |
| 23:20.22 | jetscreamer | emerged? |
| 23:20.22 | unsolo | emm apt-get installed sorry hehe |
| 23:20.28 | unsolo | tired.. |
| 23:20.32 | valdyn | JosefK: it doesn't do the same on html docs as on /usr/share/doc/ |
| 23:20.36 | piztek | on a p3 should i be using the speakup kernel? |
| 23:20.47 | enouf | piztek: erm .. speakup? |
| 23:20.58 | jetscreamer | no |
| 23:21.04 | enouf | piztek: wtf is that? |
| 23:21.06 | jetscreamer | -686 |
| 23:21.09 | piztek | is that what it's called? i probably have it wrong |
| 23:21.10 | JosefK | valdyn, indeed, it checks the MIME type first |
| 23:21.14 | piztek | yeah 686 |
| 23:21.25 | jetscreamer | there is/was aspeakup iirc |
| 23:21.49 | enouf | never heard of it .. nor why in the world it would have that name |
| 23:21.49 | piztek | how do i quit an apt-get |
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| 23:21.58 | jetscreamer | ctrl+c |
| 23:21.59 | enouf | piztek: ctrl-c |
| 23:22.05 | piztek | okay brb |
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| 23:22.13 | jetscreamer | !find speakup sarge |
| 23:22.24 | JosefK | valdyn, http://valdyn.us.to/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/cpp-4.1-doc/cpp.html |
| 23:22.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'speakup' (2 of 4): (/usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.4.27-speakup/Documentation/Configure.help.speakuporig.gz) in doc/kernel-doc-2.4.27-speakup ;; (/usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/speakup, /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/unpatch/speakup, /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/speakup/speakup/{speakup.c|speakup_acnt.h|speakup_acntpc.c|...}) in admin/kernel-patch-speakup. |
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| 23:22.50 | enouf | 2.4.27 related .. ok |
| 23:23.11 | valdyn | JosefK: ok, i see |
| 23:23.12 | unsolo | really need help when you apt-get kernel-image how do you get the proper modules installed ? |
| 23:23.26 | enouf | what's the word 'speakup' referring to? |
| 23:23.26 | valdyn | JosefK: now why doesnt it just forward the other html files... |
| 23:23.45 | JosefK | valdyn, because the regex it uses only asks perl's MIME::Types to get mimetype of 'en', which is meaningless |
| 23:23.46 | jetscreamer | unsolo: after you reboot you should be able to modprobe them or list them in /etc/modules |
| 23:23.51 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 23:24.00 | jetscreamer | i've just seen the package |
| 23:24.02 | JosefK | valdyn, I'm trying to come up with a reliable method of picking those .html.country-code files up |
| 23:24.04 | enouf | popcon? wireless support? |
| 23:24.05 | valdyn | JosefK: nah, im talking about the apache2-doc files with the proper suffix |
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| 23:24.12 | enouf | ok |
| 23:24.25 | JosefK | valdyn, that's really all they contain :) check the source |
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| 23:24.44 | DawnLight | hello |
| 23:24.51 | enouf | perhaps some speech recognition, braille, or accessibility enhancements |
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| 23:25.43 | valdyn | JosefK: ok, you're right |
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| 23:27.13 | wad | It's an email app that automatically notifies you when movies are available. |
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| 23:27.25 | enouf | !popcon |
| 23:27.25 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:28.05 | jetscreamer | enouf: This kernel package contains a Linux kernel patched with speakup, a screen reader for the Linux console. Speakup currently supports the following hardware speech synthesizers...blahblahblah |
| 23:28.13 | wad | I made a joke. See, "popcron" is like "popcorn", which is something you eat at movies. But it has "pop" which is an email thingy, and "cron" which is a task scheduler.... get it? |
| 23:28.23 | Guerin | hilarious |
| 23:28.32 | jetscreamer | !pal wad |
| 23:28.33 | enouf | jetscreamer: thank you .. that's what i was thinking after some thought |
| 23:28.35 | unsolo | seriusly i just did apt-get install kernel-image-xxxx and well there are no modules in /lib/modules/xxxx/ |
| 23:28.36 | abrotman | that was a horrible joke |
| 23:28.46 | abrotman | unsolo: uname -a |
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| 23:28.50 | DawnLight | i have a little problem with the console graphics. when i view them blue setup/configuration screens (i.e. dpkg-reconfigure locales) some lines move from their correct locations and so do some letters, the ones in list from which i can choose especially. any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 23:28.59 | abrotman | unsolo: sarge or etch ? |
| 23:29.15 | jetscreamer | DawnLight: sounds like you're using utf.... if you don't it won't |
| 23:29.25 | wad | abrotman, thanks! Horrible jokes are kind of my trademark. |
| 23:29.49 | TuxMeister | enouf, can I show you what I get when I build with CC=gcc-3.4? |
| 23:29.51 | enouf | DawnLight: is having Hebrew lang issues IIRC |
| 23:29.56 | TuxMeister | I'll paste it on pastebin |
| 23:29.58 | abrotman | !hebrew |
| 23:29.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hebrew is to install hebrew fonts in debian: apt-get install culmus, or check out http://iglu.org.il/faq/cache/8.html or http://debian-hebrew.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:30.04 | jetscreamer | it does it for english utf also |
| 23:30.07 | bzed | unsolo: what didn't it install when and why? can;t follow emerge on debian :P |
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| 23:30.15 | jetscreamer | i remember the hebrew, and the utf hebrew |
| 23:30.29 | enouf | TuxMeister: just add export HOSTCC=gcc-3.4 also |
| 23:30.33 | unsolo | Linux customweb.no 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Thu Dec 7 18:44:52 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:30.53 | Chris_abyi | hey! I got some problem here. How can I set the keyboard layout that I need and where? |
| 23:31.13 | unsolo | and /lib/modules/2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp/ is empty exept the one e1000 driver i buildt |
| 23:31.18 | enouf | TuxMeister: /msg dpkg kp mantra .. this will tell you somethings |
| 23:31.21 | Guerin | Chris_abyi: will you need to change it frequently? |
| 23:31.22 | Xenguy | Q. are there any security issues to be aware of when using X forwarding over SSH via 'ssh -X' ? |
| 23:31.24 | phreqmod | DawnLight, hi there... any progress since yesterday? Can you edit in hebrew? |
| 23:31.29 | Chris_abyi | i guess the american layout is momentary activated and I need the german one.. probably the local is also set wrong..but dunno how to correct this |
| 23:31.35 | Guerin | Xenguy: not really. That's what makes it so beautiful. |
| 23:31.39 | bilsta | how can i found out what version of debian i have installed ? |
| 23:31.40 | wols_ | Chris_abyi: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 23:31.45 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data might help |
| 23:31.47 | Xenguy | Guerin: very simple; very nice :-) |
| 23:31.48 | Chris_abyi | Guerin.. I need to change it one time and it should stay forever |
| 23:31.48 | abrotman | unsolo: reinstall the package ? |
| 23:31.53 | bilsta | and also the processer speed |
| 23:31.54 | wols_ | bilsta: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:31.55 | Guerin | Xenguy: just that X gives a higher degree of local influence than a normal shell |
| 23:32.01 | wols_ | bilsta: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:32.02 | Guerin | Chris_abyi: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 23:32.22 | DawnLight | how do i choose which encoding i want to use for the console? |
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| 23:32.26 | Xenguy | Guerin: What do you mean by that? |
| 23:32.33 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:32.36 | frex | I may be having a configuration problem with mplayer |
| 23:32.37 | unsolo | problem seems to be it loads every other module from 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
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| 23:32.45 | unsolo | which kinda scares me |
| 23:32.46 | TuxMeister | enouf, I've added the export variable and I still get the same, it has something to do with libtool |
| 23:32.47 | frex | does anyone know how to fix debian to work with mplayer?? |
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| 23:32.58 | jetscreamer | mplayer works fine |
| 23:32.58 | TuxMeister | enouf, here you have the complet "make" paste http://www.pastebin.ca/404349 |
| 23:33.02 | jetscreamer | got codecs? |
| 23:33.06 | DawnLight | and the console uses the LC_LANG, abrotman? |
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| 23:33.32 | jetscreamer | !tell frex -about ask |
| 23:33.51 | Ankman | !tell Ankman about boobies |
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| 23:34.10 | jetscreamer | !smart questions |
| 23:34.10 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 23:34.10 | enouf | TuxMeister: while i'm looking /msg dpkg {make-kpkg, kp mantra, m-a} one at a time |
| 23:34.13 | abrotman | !tell Ankman about msg the bot |
| 23:34.14 | Ankman | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'boobies'. |
| 23:34.14 | frex | jetscreamer: I don't know what the problem is: it isn't working |
| 23:34.19 | Ankman | poor dpkg |
| 23:34.33 | jetscreamer | !wayttd frex |
| 23:34.33 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, frex? |
| 23:34.38 | frex | jetscreamer: I believe mplayer is not working due to config problems with debian |
| 23:34.56 | wols_ | frex: define "nor wokring" |
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| 23:35.05 | frex | jetscreamer: I'm trying to get mplayer to work as plug-in with Firefox |
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| 23:35.07 | abrotman | not working .. even :) |
| 23:35.21 | abrotman | !info mozilla-mplayer sarge |
| 23:35.21 | TuxMeister | enouf, was it wrong to ask you so much? |
| 23:35.21 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 23:35.23 | wols_ | abrotman: are you my defective brain now? |
| 23:35.26 | jetscreamer | frex: did you install that ^^ ? |
| 23:35.26 | frex | wols_: not working as in nothing happens :( |
| 23:35.30 | TuxMeister | I was just looking for some help |
| 23:35.36 | abrotman | wols_: i'm your corrective brain :) |
| 23:35.39 | jetscreamer | !anybody |
| 23:35.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:35.43 | wols_ | frex: what does about:plugins say? |
| 23:35.43 | enouf | TuxMeister: line 23 --> Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it. |
| 23:35.54 | frex | jetscreamer: I did apt-get install mozilla-mplayer |
| 23:35.59 | frex | yes, it is installed |
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| 23:36.32 | frex | wols_: good question, it says that it isn't there |
| 23:36.35 | frex | hmmmm |
| 23:36.35 | jetscreamer | frex: do you also have mplayer installed? |
| 23:36.52 | frex | jetscreamer: I did apt-get mozilla-mplayer |
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| 23:36.54 | enouf | TuxMeister: no .. but as i said, I'm not great at debugging this stuff yet |
| 23:37.05 | abrotman | frex: but do you have mplayer installed ? |
| 23:37.08 | jetscreamer | frex: does that mean you do not have the package named mplayer installed? |
| 23:37.09 | frex | jetscreamer: it SHOULD be installed, but apparently it isn't |
| 23:37.12 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 23:37.19 | jetscreamer | !tell frex -about marillat |
| 23:37.21 | abrotman | frex: are you running sarge or etch ? |
| 23:37.34 | jetscreamer | sarge i 'think' |
| 23:37.36 | frex | "mplayer is already newest nversion" |
| 23:37.48 | TuxMeister | enouf, but the last time I've did that, at boot time, kernel threw out some ugly messages telling me that I'm trying to load modules with different gcc versiones |
| 23:37.50 | abrotman | so you're saying iceweasel doesn't work with mplayer ? |
| 23:37.53 | jetscreamer | oh well ok |
| 23:38.03 | frex | abrotman: how can I see what version (I think etch) |
| 23:38.15 | jetscreamer | cat /etc/debian_version iirc |
| 23:38.20 | abrotman | frex: dpkg -l mplayer |
| 23:38.26 | enouf | TuxMeister: might as well export both cc and hostcc and try again .. cd into the build dir, run ./configure, make ... <whatever the errors say how top fix it> |
| 23:38.26 | abrotman | oh .. yeah .. that :) |
| 23:38.28 | wols_ | frex: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 23:38.36 | abrotman | or that! |
| 23:38.37 | TuxMeister | enouf, because I have two versiones of gcc, 3.4.6 and 4.1.2 |
| 23:38.57 | enouf | TuxMeister: i can tell ;-) .. but having them is not the issue |
| 23:38.59 | frex | ii mplayer 1.0-rc1svn2007 The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux |
| 23:39.01 | Supaplex | frex: or inspect /etc/apt/sources.list :) |
| 23:39.09 | abrotman | !info mplayer etch |
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| 23:39.16 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-12 (etch), Packaged size: 4312 kB, Installed size: 9760 kB |
| 23:39.18 | abrotman | Supaplex: that's crazy talk |
| 23:39.19 | frex | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:39.20 | TuxMeister | the problem is that the kernel get's built by default with the old gcc i think |
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| 23:39.28 | jetscreamer | svn |
| 23:39.32 | Supaplex | isn't it though? :) |
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| 23:39.35 | abrotman | !info mplayer sid |
| 23:39.36 | enouf | TuxMeister: cat /proc/version says? |
| 23:39.39 | abrotman | Supaplex: tape drive ? |
| 23:39.42 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-13 (sid), Packaged size: 4321 kB, Installed size: 9776 kB |
| 23:39.51 | unsolo | dpkg: i did apt-get install kernel-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp then i did apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-amd64-k8-smp |
| 23:39.56 | TuxMeister | Linux version 2.6.18-elive (root@Zeus) (gcc versión 3.4.6 (Debian 3.4.6-4)) #2 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jan 6 00:41:56 CET 2007 |
| 23:39.58 | Supaplex | abrotman: no luck, still. |
| 23:39.58 | abrotman | frex: i have no idea where your mplayer came from |
| 23:40.00 | DawnLight | hey i got it fixed! what i did is dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and there chose iso 8859-8 |
| 23:40.01 | abrotman | unsolo: dpkg is a bot |
| 23:40.07 | v_ | hi, is there a way to pass the build target target to dpkg-buildpackage w/ an environment variable or cmdline option? |
| 23:40.11 | jetscreamer | frex: did you compile mplayer yourself? |
| 23:40.17 | unsolo | emm that was for bzed |
| 23:40.17 | frex | abrotman: I will check sources list |
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| 23:40.28 | frex | jetscreamer: no I did not compile myself |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | markybot! |
| 23:40.29 | jetscreamer | frex: you can ask in #mplayer at the same time btw |
| 23:40.45 | unsolo | bzed: then i downloaded the e1000 driver from sourceforge.net and followed the instructions |
| 23:40.55 | markybob | abrotman, i didnt know i had been promoted to bot status ;) |
| 23:40.55 | frex | jetscreamer: they say it is a debian config problem over there |
| 23:40.57 | abrotman | unsolo: reinstalll the kernel package |
| 23:41.06 | abrotman | markybob: you're in famous screenshots! |
| 23:41.13 | stew | frex: you version is newer than any version in debian, so its not a debian package |
| 23:41.16 | phreqmod | DawnLight, yes, that's for Hebrew... probably appropriate with the LarArHeb font |
| 23:41.25 | markybob | abrotman, huh? what am i missing? |
| 23:41.32 | jetscreamer | frex: is this firefox or iceweasel btw |
| 23:41.35 | abrotman | markybob: the evo win32 shots :) |
| 23:41.37 | DawnLight | i'm not sure that's the font i'm using phreqmod |
| 23:41.49 | JosefK | valdyn, I think I have a fix, just testing it |
| 23:41.51 | unsolo | abrotman: the kernel-image or the kernel-header package |
| 23:41.56 | phreqmod | DawnLight, at this stage, if it works I'm happy enough for your mate |
| 23:41.57 | abrotman | kernel-image |
| 23:41.57 | frex | stew: how can I uninstall and install the latest debian package??? |
| 23:42.08 | abrotman | !paster |
| 23:42.08 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 23:42.10 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge something |
| 23:42.10 | abrotman | show us your sources |
| 23:42.18 | enouf | DawnLight: don't feel bad .. i have no idea what font i'm using nor where they are :-P |
| 23:42.19 | jetscreamer | then apt-get install ... after the sources thingy |
| 23:42.21 | frex | jetscreamer: firefox, I think |
| 23:42.24 | markybob | abrotman, oh. :) that entire thing's been nothing but trouble. if you think #debian on a sunday is bad, try windows users ;) just killing me |
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| 23:42.34 | TuxMeister | enouf, have you seen what I pasted? |
| 23:42.36 | stew | frex: put the output of "apt-cache policy mplayer" into a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 23:42.40 | curt | Long question (from me) about dns that should really be in #dns (is actually) http://channels.debian.net/paste/5766 |
| 23:42.43 | abrotman | markybob: i do support them :) |
| 23:42.45 | DawnLight | and i can even type some of this in console íåìù |
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| 23:43.04 | enouf | TuxMeister: you pasted the one long make output .. right? |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | curt: ack .. it didn't wrap! |
| 23:43.22 | enouf | !blocklettersmite DawnLight |
| 23:43.22 | curt | abrotman, sorry about that |
| 23:43.24 | markybob | abrotman, in that case, i now feel your pain :) |
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| 23:43.32 | rainabba | Can anyone confirm they've gotten SDL or VNC working with an HVM guest on Xen3.0.3 kernel package under etch? |
| 23:43.32 | tvynr | Another weird question from the land of early userspace... can anyone think of a clean way to get the size of a file without using stat? I could parse ls -l, but I was hoping for something a bit tidier. |
| 23:43.33 | TuxMeister | enouf, the last thing you asked me for, the /proc/version output |
| 23:43.44 | abrotman | curt: i have to scroll left and right! |
| 23:43.47 | enouf | TuxMeister: I missed it .. |
| 23:43.55 | TuxMeister | enouf, the version over there is 3.4.6 |
| 23:44.13 | TuxMeister | and gcc --version show that I have 4.1.2 version |
| 23:44.14 | stew | curt: man 5 hosts |
| 23:44.14 | frex | stew: output is here >> http://pastebin.ca/404364 |
| 23:44.19 | curt | abrotman, i will fix it up proper |
| 23:44.22 | unsolo | kinda hard to remotely swith e1000 with e1000 when you have two cards running e1000 |
| 23:44.34 | enouf | TuxMeister: I see now --> [19:38:27] <TuxMeister> Linux version 2.6.18-elive (root@Zeus) (gcc versión 3.4.6 (Debian 3.4.6-4)) #2 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jan 6 00:41:56 CET 2007 |
| 23:44.38 | abrotman | curt: don't worry .. i got it |
| 23:44.42 | curt | abrotman, after I go read man 5 hosts |
| 23:44.50 | enouf | Is that a Debian kernel? ... wtf? |
| 23:44.54 | stew | frex: "aptitude install mplayer=1.0~rc1-12" |
| 23:44.55 | abrotman | curt: you can put it in /etc/hosts .. and it will never do DNS lookup again |
| 23:45.04 | enouf | I don;tthink so |
| 23:45.05 | TuxMeister | enouf, yeah, just that the revision name is elive |
| 23:45.08 | wols_ | enouf: it obviously isn't |
| 23:45.08 | stew | enouf: that is not a debian kernel. it's an elive kernel |
| 23:45.14 | wols_ | TuxMeister: you are running elive |
| 23:45.21 | enouf | wols_: thanks .. I'm going batty lately |
| 23:45.23 | TuxMeister | yeah, but it's full debian |
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| 23:45.27 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 23:45.30 | wols_ | !elive |
| 23:45.30 | dpkg | elive is probably a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive. |
| 23:45.41 | wols_ | see this? dpkg is ALWAYS right. always |
| 23:45.41 | enouf | ahhh .. |
| 23:45.53 | abrotman | !what does wols_ pay you for |
| 23:45.53 | dpkg | often wols_ begs for anal stimulation, abrotman, but I've really had enough... |
| 23:45.55 | frex | stew: thanks, installing it |
| 23:46.01 | abrotman | see .. *always* right |
| 23:46.10 | TuxMeister | it IS debian, the only "special" thing we have is that we packed in .deb the e17 source, that's all, but the rest is the same, buddy |
| 23:46.20 | abrotman | TuxMeister: actually .. you're wrong |
| 23:46.22 | enouf | !tell TuxMeister -about debian based |
| 23:46.35 | abrotman | TuxMeister: i've checked into it .. many other packages are not from debian |
| 23:46.35 | stew | TuxMeister: as far as this channel is concerned it is not debian and it is off-topic |
| 23:46.39 | wols_ | TuxMeister: please stop now and go to elive. we have this stupid discussion from people like you about ten times per day. usually ubuntu people tho |
| 23:46.59 | TuxMeister | we actually use debian repositories |
| 23:47.00 | enouf | TuxMeister: I dont want to start a war or anything .. but i can't be helpful now .. apologies... |
| 23:47.05 | TuxMeister | the debian packages |
| 23:47.05 | Guerin | TuxMeister: bully for you. |
| 23:47.11 | Ronin | TuxMeister: doesnt matter, its still not debian |
| 23:47.27 | Ronin | now if you install debian we'll gladly spend what ever time necessary to help you |
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| 23:47.55 | TuxMeister | ok, as you say, thanks for everything (you allways hang along with the same thing, man... debian is debian, and nothing more is debian, bah... I perfectly know what system it is) |
| 23:47.56 | wols_ | abrotman: what makes yout hin dpkg isn't right? |
| 23:48.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:48.20 | enouf | TuxMeister: if you are a devel or something .. I wish you luck .. but it's not Debian, and I'm barely able to tame her, let alone her rosemary baby children ;-) |
| 23:48.24 | TuxMeister | btw, has anyone even tryed elive, so you can judge, or just make people who need help go another way? |
| 23:48.25 | JordiGH | In order for window transparency to work, do you have to install anything? I mean, like this: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/only-way.png |
| 23:48.25 | Supaplex | !smack sense into the dell 120t powervault tape drive |
| 23:48.42 | stew | TuxMeister: please take the elive discussion to #elive |
| 23:48.43 | Xenguy | TuxMeister: yer in the wrong place dude |
| 23:49.02 | TuxMeister | arf, whatever, bro... thanks for nothing |
| 23:49.05 | wols_ | JordiGH: some X extension which comes with X. composite I think |
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| 23:49.11 | Guerin | TuxMeister: how hard is this to understand: debian releases debian. Debian does not release elive. Simple. |
| 23:49.11 | wols_ | JordiGH: but not all drivers support it |
| 23:49.18 | Guerin | ... |
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| 23:50.05 | JordiGH | wols_: Hm. Installing beryl or compiz would pull in that extension, right? |
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| 23:50.22 | frex | stew: I ran the aptitude command, but the problem is not resolved |
| 23:50.32 | wols_ | JordiGH: no. composite extension is mentioned in beryl howtos |
| 23:50.42 | stew | frex: what problem? |
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| 23:50.56 | JordiGH | wols_: I don't want beryl, I just want to know how I got transparency working. .:-) |
| 23:51.00 | frex | stew: mplayer doesn't function |
| 23:51.08 | Guerin | frex: yes, it does. |
| 23:51.09 | stew | frex: be more specific |
| 23:51.18 | Guerin | i use it every day. |
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| 23:51.30 | Xtreem | woo debian installed on my ooolld 233mhz laptop |
| 23:51.41 | piztek | how do you change repos on an apt-get? |
| 23:51.42 | wols_ | JordiGH: edit your xrog.conf and make sure composite extension is loaded |
| 23:51.42 | amphi | Xtreem: of course ;) |
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| 23:51.53 | frex | Guerin: it's not functioning on my machine |
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| 23:51.55 | stew | piztek: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:51.57 | unsolo | how do i force a new kernel-image installation over the old one |
| 23:51.59 | stew | frex: be more specific |
| 23:51.59 | piztek | sarge |
| 23:52.04 | wols_ | piztek: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get upadte |
| 23:52.04 | stew | piztek: run apt-setup |
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| 23:52.06 | Guerin | frex: then you need to change something. |
| 23:52.15 | wols_ | unsolo: do you have the .deb for the kernel? |
| 23:52.15 | frex | stew: what can I tell you. It's not listed as a plugin on firefox |
| 23:52.17 | JordiGH | wols_: It works. I'm just wondering if libxcomposite1 is usually installed or not. I guess not. |
| 23:52.17 | CalJohn | I have an IBM thinkpad r60e, and apparantly the ethernet card is a |
| 23:52.22 | frex | Guerin: I told you that |
| 23:52.26 | Xtreem | running okish with fluxbox and a basic lamp setup |
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| 23:52.28 | stew | frex: what version of mozilla-mplayer is installed? |
| 23:52.31 | wols_ | JordiGH: it is usually installed. as I said it comes with X |
| 23:52.33 | frex | Guerin: now you believe me! |
| 23:52.33 | CalJohn | excuse me, putty works oddly with pasting |
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| 23:53.05 | frex | stew: Installed: 1.0~rc1-12 |
| 23:53.06 | Guerin | frex: that's not mplayer - that's mozilla-mplayer |
| 23:53.10 | wols_ | unsolo: then it's simply dpkg -i |
| 23:53.14 | unsolo | wols_: i apt-get installed one and now i have to redoit |
| 23:53.19 | unsolo | w/o deleting it |
| 23:53.22 | stew | frex: is it listed in "about:plugins"? |
| 23:53.31 | frex | stew: it's not listed there |
| 23:53.32 | wols_ | unsolo: apt-get has a --reinstall option afaik |
| 23:53.40 | frex | Guerin: what's the command to install mplayer, then? |
| 23:53.48 | CalJohn | I have an IBM thinkpad r60e, and apparantly the ethernet card is a BCM5751M, which ought to use the tg3 driver, but this isn't hardware detected (in sarge) and doesn't work if i select it manually. Also, it doesn't detect my (sata) disks. Will using testing help either of these problems? |
| 23:53.55 | Guerin | frex: aptitude install mplayer |
| 23:53.55 | stew | frex: "aptitude install mplayer" |
| 23:54.03 | stew | frex: what version of iceape is installed? |
| 23:54.05 | wols_ | CalJohn: probably |
| 23:54.11 | wols_ | CalJohn: or use a kmuto installer |
| 23:54.15 | wols_ | !tell CalJohn about kmuto |
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| 23:54.32 | JordiGH | Hm, Iceweasel has a nasty habit of crashing only when I'm not watching the desktop it's on. |
| 23:54.35 | frex | stew: iceape: |
| 23:54.35 | frex | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.41 | amphi | CalJohn: probably - check thinkwiki.org perhaps, or tuxmobil.org or linux-laptop.net |
| 23:54.43 | unsolo | why have apt-get -reinstall install instead of just reinstall -- confusing.. |
| 23:54.45 | Guerin | wtf are you using iceape? |
| 23:54.50 | Guerin | no wonder it doesn't woprk |
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| 23:55.10 | frex | Guerin: I am using firefox |
| 23:55.18 | stew | Guerin: why wouldn't mozilla-mpalyer work in iceape? |
| 23:55.19 | CalJohn | wols_: I was really hoping to use testing anyway, so Ill just use the testing netinst. I'm trying thinkwiki (nothing on debian for the r60e), but not the other two sites |
| 23:55.28 | JordiGH | unsolo: alias reinstall='apt-get install --reinstall' if you want. Put that in your .bashrc |
| 23:55.34 | stew | frex: what browser are you actually using? mozilla? iceape? firefox? iceweasel? |
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| 23:55.38 | Guerin | stew: iceape is development gear, stuff breaks in it all the time |
| 23:55.39 | CalJohn | wols_: thanks for the !tell though |
| 23:56.05 | frex | stew: Firefox 1.5.0.4 |
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| 23:56.09 | abrotman | .... |
| 23:56.16 | Guerin | the point is that what we have here is someone who refuses to describe their problem, ius using experimental software, and wants the answer on a platter |
| 23:56.18 | frex | stew at least that's what it says in About... |
| 23:56.22 | abrotman | frex: how did you install it ? |
| 23:56.29 | enouf | might frex need the mozplugger pkg? apt-cache show mozplugger |
| 23:56.31 | frex | Guerin: do you mean me? |
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| 23:56.44 | Guerin | frex: yes. |
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| 23:56.54 | unsolo | should i remove an old kernel image ? |
| 23:57.00 | stew | frex: wait, what version of mozilla-mplayer is installed? |
| 23:57.01 | Guerin | unsolo: if you want to. |
| 23:57.09 | frex | Guerin: didn't realize I was even using experimental software (How did that happen??) |
| 23:57.19 | stew | frex: before you said 1.0~rc1-12; but the current version os 3.31 or so |
| 23:57.20 | Guerin | frex: if you're using iceape, you are. |
| 23:57.22 | frankr | I'm trying to get vnc to work - I got the server to run fine but I can't get it to run xfce on the screen that is connected to. I tried making it run gdm and startx, they both started X but nothing else (grey screen with the X cursor). |
| 23:57.37 | frankr | What commands do I put in the ~/.vnc/xstartup to make xfce run |
| 23:57.43 | frex | stew: mozilla-mplayer: |
| 23:57.43 | frex | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.00 | frex | Guerin: I never said I was using iceape, don't even know what it is |
| 23:58.12 | stew | frex: how did you install firefox 1.5? with apt-get or from source? |
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| 23:58.17 | wols_ | unsolo: only _after_ you made sure the new one works |
| 23:58.18 | frex | Guerin: I guess it's an experimental browser |
| 23:58.22 | Guerin | wtf |
| 23:58.26 | dvs | ??? |
| 23:58.29 | enouf | Anyways .. signing off for a bit now .. I wnat to thank the channel denizens for strpping in and clarifying and helping me decide about that recent non-debian questionairre .. |
| 23:58.32 | Guerin | who brought up iceape, then? |
| 23:58.34 | stew | frex: you said you are using mozilla, i assumed you meant iceape, since mozilla in etch has been replace by iceape |
| 23:58.35 | frex | stew: everything installed with apt-get (as you can see, I'm not so adept at this) |
| 23:58.40 | enouf | er stopping* |
| 23:58.56 | enouf | but .. hehe .. .. but you should've let me loose and magle the guys system unwittingly |
| 23:59.02 | enouf | er mangle* |
| 23:59.03 | maddash | lol @ "iceape" |
| 23:59.05 | frex | Guerin: you jumped in in the middle of the convo, someone else brought it up.... |
| 23:59.11 | stew | frex: you're version of firefox is very old and no longer supported, "aptitude install firefox" should replace firefox 1.5 with iceweasel 2.0 |
| 23:59.17 | enouf | steamchimp? |
| 23:59.46 | frex | okay, stew, thanks. I'll do that |
| 23:59.57 | unsolo | wols_: well that i know |
