| 00:00.11 | Telepathboy | Is it still in your hearth though, irlie? |
| 00:00.11 | Telepathboy | heart, even. |
| 00:00.25 | phreqmod | hahehehe |
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| 00:00.37 | robin_sz | then set it free! |
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| 00:01.24 | robin_sz | you know what they say ... |
| 00:01.40 | hawke | Hey...is there any documentation on preseed parameters |
| 00:01.43 | hawke | anywhere? |
| 00:02.39 | irlie | Telepathboy: Sorry, you mean if I get enough info to solve my problem? |
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| 00:03.13 | abrotman | hawke: in the install guide i think |
| 00:04.15 | hawke | abrotman: I can't find any...pretty much all I can find is "here's how to specify its location, here's an example file" |
| 00:04.27 | abrotman | sarge or etch ? |
| 00:04.41 | hawke | abrotman: either.. |
| 00:05.52 | abrotman | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html |
| 00:05.52 | abrotman | maybe ? |
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| 00:06.41 | hawke | yeah, that's what I'm looking for |
| 00:06.45 | hawke | er |
| 00:06.45 | hawke | at |
| 00:06.46 | abrotman | that'll do it ? |
| 00:06.48 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:07.00 | hawke | but for example... |
| 00:07.06 | abrotman | oh no .. an example! |
| 00:07.08 | hawke | I'm looking at the partman/choose_recipe option |
| 00:07.13 | abrotman | !preseed |
| 00:07.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 00:07.17 | hawke | and it doesn't say what the options are |
| 00:07.27 | hawke | It's just kinda ... "here's some examples" |
| 00:07.45 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:08.18 | abrotman | dunno .. there's a pretty complete example there i'd think |
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| 00:08.38 | abrotman | but you're right |
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| 00:09.42 | hawke | For partman-auto/choose_recipe there are 3 examples...but nothing saying what those recipes do or if there are other recipes available |
| 00:10.02 | nichos | hi all, for an intel chip with hyperthreading, i should still get the i386 iso? |
| 00:10.13 | hawke | nichos: 64-bit or 32-bit? |
| 00:10.21 | karsten | nichos: Likely not. |
| 00:10.21 | nichos | hawke: 32 |
| 00:10.29 | hawke | then yes. |
| 00:10.45 | karsten | hawke: That includes all the P/PIII/PIV etc. arches? |
| 00:10.51 | hawke | karsten: aye |
| 00:11.00 | karsten | hawke: ... which is just kernel anyhow. |
| 00:11.18 | abrotman | dinner time! |
| 00:11.22 | hawke | karsten: yeah, kernel vs. isos. ;-) |
| 00:12.00 | hawke | Hmm, can I configure preseed to write a new "standard" mbr? |
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| 00:12.26 | nichos | i have this: PROCESSOR, 80532, 2.4G, 512K, 800FSB, SOCKET N |
| 00:12.34 | hawke | I guess the question is more "can I get debian-installer to write an mbr rather than installing grub to the mbr?" |
| 00:12.55 | abrotman | 80532 ? |
| 00:13.08 | hawke | abrotman: that's a P4 model |
| 00:13.11 | nichos | thats what dells site says:) |
| 00:13.15 | abrotman | oh yeah .. it is :) |
| 00:13.28 | abrotman | hawke: what's wrong with grub |
| 00:13.40 | nichos | that's still 32 bit |
| 00:13.46 | hawke | nichos: aye |
| 00:13.46 | nichos | er, i mean i386, correct? |
| 00:13.53 | nichos | hawke: thanks for all the help |
| 00:14.06 | hawke | abrotman: nothing, I just like to have a traditional mbr, with linux on the active partition and grub loading from that. |
| 00:14.29 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:15.40 | abrotman | i think you can have it not install bootloader at all |
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| 00:15.56 | hawke | abrotman: yep, but that's not very helpful on a bare hard drive... |
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| 00:16.06 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:16.12 | abrotman | too many buts! |
| 00:16.16 | ctef | hii |
| 00:16.19 | ctef | people |
| 00:16.19 | ctef | :) |
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| 00:18.48 | abrotman | hunting wabbits ... |
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| 00:22.31 | rene- | hello |
| 00:22.46 | rene- | is it possible to run a single remote command on a remote host using ssh? |
| 00:23.23 | phreqmod | rene-, sure, just add the command after what you would normally yse |
| 00:23.40 | phreqmod | rene-, "ssh localhost uptime" for example |
| 00:24.00 | rene- | nice |
| 00:24.02 | rene- | thanks |
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| 00:26.32 | rene- | omg that is going to be so cool phreqmod |
| 00:28.05 | karsten | rene-: Yes, quite. |
| 00:28.23 | karsten | rene-: You can also run multiple commands, if you quote or parenthesize them properly. |
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| 00:28.43 | karsten | rene-: ssh user@remotehost 'uptime; df; free' |
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| 00:29.05 | karsten | rene-: Or: ssh user@remotehost '(uptime; df; free)' |
| 00:29.18 | karsten | rene-: ... where I think the paren is actually unnecessary. |
| 00:29.38 | Caelum | heh, the swfdec git sources aren't good for normal use... youtube works fine, everything else crashes the browser |
| 00:29.43 | rene- | wow incredible |
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| 00:30.08 | rene- | well i need to figure out the shared key auth scheme so things are easier |
| 00:30.24 | karsten | rene-: Just copy your public key to each of the hosts you plan to access. |
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| 00:30.48 | karsten | rene-: I do *not* recommend chaining SSH sessions. That is, don't ssh from A to B to C. ssh from A to B, from A to C. |
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| 00:31.04 | karsten | rene-: Minimizes exposure to issues if any one remote host is compromised. |
| 00:31.09 | stew | i was using rdp through 3 chained connections today |
| 00:31.11 | Caelum | use the keychain package |
| 00:31.15 | stew | it was a bit laggy |
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| 00:32.17 | rene- | karsten: i sometimes do that now, but i am using password based authentication, is it bad also? sometimes i just have a single public IP and have to do it to access inner hosts, of course i could use port redirection but sometimes one is lazy |
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| 00:32.42 | Stephaknee | karsten: ive done that before........with the chained sessions within the network. |
| 00:33.13 | Stephaknee | 'thts about the only appropriate use for it. |
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| 00:34.05 | Stephaknee | rene-: i use key based authentication because i can use the same password for all my SSHing safely. (otherwise its a really bad idea but i do it anyway!) |
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| 00:34.46 | Stephaknee | know what i mean? |
| 00:34.52 | karsten | stew: y'know, in Uni I once chained telnet (yes, this was the 1980s, they didn't want their 1980s protocol back yet) back and forth between Santa Barbara and Davis about a dozen times. |
| 00:35.02 | rene- | like you should have one key for eah different host? |
| 00:35.02 | karsten | rene-: rsakey auth, ssh-agent |
| 00:35.18 | karsten | rene-: Having to bridge across a bastion host is OK. |
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| 00:35.48 | karsten | rene-: I tend to keep different keys for different hosts, makes it easier for me to manage revocations. I just delete that host's key from ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 00:36.21 | karsten | rene-: Next trick: have a list of hosts in a file: for host in $( cat hostlist ); do ssh $host 'command; command; command' || echo "$host: failed"; done |
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| 00:36.36 | karsten | rene-: There are tools that wrap that for you, but thet basic shell loop works well. |
| 00:36.41 | rene- | nice |
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| 00:37.11 | karsten | rene-: I've got a scrip 'ttl' which can be used to set a time-to-live for the ssh process so that if it hangs, it'll just kill itself after a while (configurable, 10s by default). |
| 00:37.26 | rene- | so sweet |
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| 00:38.41 | rene- | guys i have to go, karsten, phreqmode, stephaknee: thanks so much |
| 00:38.47 | rene- | #debian as usuarl rocks |
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| 00:40.32 | htaccess | hi, how can i get the package and version within the postinst script for that package? |
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| 00:40.49 | karsten | htaccess: ?? |
| 00:40.57 | karsten | htaccess: Hrm... |
| 00:41.09 | karsten | htaccess: I assume you're packaging something yourself here? |
| 00:41.33 | htaccess | karsten: ie is there a ENV variable or debconf command i can use to get thos 2 pieces of info |
| 00:41.56 | htaccess | yes, these are working packages and i wish to log that info somewhere |
| 00:42.03 | Telepathboy | Ok guys, I have an old spare computer that I'm planning on reformatting to install Debian and learn Linux. What would you recommend as the best way to format the hard drive? |
| 00:42.17 | htaccess | from within postinst |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | htaccess: you mean like in /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
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| 00:42.44 | Caelum | Telepathboy: just let the etch installer do it for you |
| 00:43.00 | Telepathboy | That sounds way too simple ;) |
| 00:43.04 | karsten | htaccess: new package maintainers guide is the place to go. |
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| 00:43.14 | karsten | Telepathboy: It is ;-) |
| 00:43.29 | Caelum | Telepathboy: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:44.24 | htaccess | abrotman: /var/log/dpkg.log doesnt seem to exist on our sarge boxes, is there somewhere i can switch logging to that on? |
| 00:44.33 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:44.48 | abrotman | htaccess: dpkg -I <pkg> | grep Version ? |
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| 00:45.46 | htaccess | abrotman: that seems strange to do while installing but i will try it ... |
| 00:46.27 | abrotman | htaccess: the package still exists on the system somewhere |
| 00:47.24 | htaccess | that assumes the version number that dpkg -I gets has been bumped before postinst, hopefully that is true |
| 00:47.50 | Telepathboy | Caelum: Is the 'etch' installer all for the testing Debian, not the stable release? |
| 00:48.05 | Caelum | Telepathboy: yup |
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| 00:48.49 | Caelum | Telepathboy: you only want the stable release if you're running a production server or something. Testing is fine for learning purposes |
| 00:49.10 | Telepathboy | Well darn. These CDs are kind of coasters then |
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| 00:50.07 | Caelum | any way to scp something via a jumphost? like... ssh -t foo ssh bar, but for scp |
| 00:50.12 | SillyG | I personally think servers should be run out of experimental |
| 00:50.18 | markybob | Telepathboy, you should start using usb keys instead ;) |
| 00:50.47 | Telepathboy | I'm not sure the computer I'm planning on running this on would boot from a usb key |
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| 00:51.17 | Telepathboy | :) |
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| 00:52.06 | markybob | Telepathboy, have a single cd to burn? that's all you need if you use netinst. http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
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| 00:53.55 | junix-other | is there a way to tell grub to boot to a certain kernel remotely? |
| 00:53.58 | twobitsprite | for some reason, my keys won't repeat when I hold them any more |
| 00:54.09 | twobitsprite | I haven't changed anything that I can remember |
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| 00:54.30 | karsten | twobitsprite: man kbdrate |
| 00:54.37 | markybob | junix-other, set it as default in menu.lst |
| 00:54.40 | karsten | twobitsprite: ... and see if changing that solves anything. |
| 00:54.57 | karsten | twobitsprite: kbdrate -r 30.0 -d 250 # my default. |
| 00:55.05 | waspius | i have a problem..i cannot remeber what password i have used for keyring...what can i do? |
| 00:55.22 | Telepathboy | Nah, I can start downloading the whole thing. I'll just be a torrent server for both versions for a while ;) |
| 00:55.23 | karsten | waspius: Toss you keys. |
| 00:55.28 | twobitsprite | karsten: nope |
| 00:55.33 | waspius | karsten: :S |
| 00:55.43 | karsten | twobitsprite: xset or tset may help you. Or bios. |
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| 00:55.54 | karsten | waspius: GPG? |
| 00:56.02 | twobitsprite | karsten: shouldn't be bios, I haven't rebooted in 14days |
| 00:56.08 | nail` | after recompiling a 2.4 kernel, system hangs at boot at message "All bugs added by david s. miller (davidm@redhat.com)" |
| 00:56.11 | nail` | any idea ? |
| 00:56.12 | waspius | karsten: what is gpg? |
| 00:56.23 | kkreamer | gnu privacy guard |
| 00:56.24 | karsten | waspius: What your keyring might be. What keyring is this? |
| 00:56.44 | kkreamer | pgp-compatible program |
| 00:56.51 | karsten | !gpg |
| 00:56.51 | dpkg | methinks gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 00:57.12 | twobitsprite | karsten: xset did the trick, thanks |
| 00:57.16 | twobitsprite | +karsten |
| 00:57.22 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Someone's going to have to go through dpkg's factoids and swap apt-get for aptitude globally or something. |
| 00:57.30 | karsten | twobitsprite: FTW! |
| 00:57.36 | htaccess | so dpkg.log is new in etch?? |
| 00:57.47 | karsten | htaccess: Yeah, I've only just started hearing about it. |
| 00:57.51 | twobitsprite | karsten: is that just wtf backwards? |
| 00:57.57 | karsten | !FTW |
| 00:57.57 | dpkg | methinks ftw is fuck the world. For The Win |
| 00:58.05 | karsten | twobitsprite: 2nd meaning. |
| 00:58.08 | twobitsprite | ajj |
| 00:58.14 | twobitsprite | s/j/h/g |
| 00:58.21 | karsten | twobitsprite: Properly spelled "for teh w1n! |
| 00:58.37 | waspius | karsten: i do not know what keyring it is..it is under gnome |
| 00:58.37 | karsten | twobitsprite: I sorta like "ajj". |
| 00:58.39 | Telepathboy | *snicker* |
| 00:58.52 | twobitsprite | karsten: is the unmatched quotation mark part of the propper spelling? |
| 00:58.52 | karsten | twobitsprite: Gives the image of "choking on enlightenment" |
| 00:58.54 | twobitsprite | karsten: yeah, it's like spanish for "ahh" :P |
| 00:59.02 | karsten | twobitsprite: FTW! |
| 00:59.07 | Telepathboy | kek. |
| 00:59.28 | twobitsprite | :) |
| 00:59.29 | karsten | waspius: OK, so it's a GNOME keyring manager, and you've forgotten your passphrase. |
| 00:59.31 | x3n0 | does anyone have a MLPPP setup? |
| 00:59.37 | karsten | waspius: I've got some good news, and some bad news. |
| 00:59.58 | waspius | karsten: ok |
| 01:00.44 | karsten | waspius: The good news is that that these keyrings tend to be very secure and use very good crypto, so odds are low anyone can crack in. |
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| 01:00.55 | karsten | waspius: The bad news is you are now one of anyone. |
| 01:01.18 | waspius | karsten: nice |
| 01:01.19 | karsten | waspius: If you want to get your keys back, take up terrorism. The NSA should crack that in a few years. |
| 01:01.39 | waspius | karsten: but i know the root password cant i do something? |
| 01:01.52 | karsten | waspius: No, this is crypto, not user-level security. |
| 01:02.02 | kkreamer | karsten: somehow I doubt the NSA will share their findings with the "terrorists" |
| 01:02.07 | karsten | waspius: Unless you've got some sort of escrow key defined, you're SOL. |
| 01:02.25 | karsten | kkreamer: In which case, the answer is "renounce terrorism". |
| 01:02.28 | waspius | karsten: if i uninstall keyring...and reinstall it? |
| 01:02.32 | x3n0 | Does *anyone* have a MLPPP setup? |
| 01:02.37 | karsten | kkreamer: Or you could embrace terrorism *and* join the NSA.... |
| 01:02.38 | kkreamer | waspius: try guessing the passphrase a few (hundred) more times? |
| 01:02.40 | karsten | waspius: Nope. |
| 01:02.53 | karsten | waspius: kkreamer's got your best bet. |
| 01:02.53 | waspius | karsten: ok..thank you |
| 01:02.59 | Telepathboy | Karsten: That was hilarious, but I'm afraid that as a government agent it's my job to place you under citizen's arrest for promoting terrorism |
| 01:03.28 | SillyG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwZSQrDuYzo |
| 01:03.38 | kkreamer | Telepathboy: if you were really a government agent, you wouldn't need citizen's arrest |
| 01:03.48 | markybob | ha! |
| 01:03.58 | karsten | waspius: In general, I try to keep one master key that's highly memorable to me and use that to manage my other keys. You can write down the master (or use something that's written somewhere) if you're clever about it, but best to be subtle in how you do that. |
| 01:04.32 | Telepathboy | kkreamer: Well then I'll place karsten under Public-Employee's-Arrest |
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| 01:04.47 | Telepathboy | ;) |
| 01:04.51 | Nergar | hello |
| 01:05.12 | karsten | Telepathboy: I have diplomatic immunity from the Republic of Freedonia. |
| 01:05.30 | Snuggles2000 | Hmm..how can you get a process list from the terminal? |
| 01:05.45 | Snuggles2000 | I know top gives you a sort of hierarchy of cpu usage, but other than that.. |
| 01:05.46 | karsten | Snuggles2000: man ps |
| 01:06.22 | Nergar | where can i get something like norton ghost? |
| 01:06.36 | karsten | Nergar: man dd |
| 01:06.55 | twobitsprite | karsten: dd wouldn't be as good as tar, no? |
| 01:07.31 | Nergar | i need it to back up a XP box with no linux installed, |
| 01:07.33 | abrotman | Snuggles2000: top .. in batch mode |
| 01:07.36 | karsten | twobitsprite: For raw disk replication, yes. |
| 01:07.49 | asg | Nergar: g4u may work |
| 01:08.02 | kkreamer | live CD? |
| 01:08.07 | karsten | Nergar: You can image the disk with dd. |
| 01:08.17 | karsten | Nergar: Compress that for more efficient storage. |
| 01:08.38 | Nergar | oklien, i'll take a look thanx |
| 01:08.45 | karsten | Nergar: So: dd if=/dev/<WinXP partition> | gzip > WinXP-image.gz |
| 01:09.04 | Supaplex | how do I make logical volumes (lvm) of a physical group from an external usb disk active? http://rafb.net/p/3oyFjZ26.html output of lvm lvscan |
| 01:09.06 | karsten | Nergar: That will need to restore onto the same-sized partition. |
| 01:09.06 | twobitsprite | hmm... it seems my default xterm font is missing some characters... I keep geting the occasional garbage 3 characters in strange places |
| 01:09.16 | karsten | Supaplex: Moreover: why. |
| 01:09.30 | karsten | twobitsprite: Use a font with full Unicode / UTF-8 support |
| 01:09.30 | Supaplex | because it's formatted this way already |
| 01:09.48 | Nergar | thanx karsten |
| 01:09.50 | Supaplex | and I can't mount anything because the /dev/mapper nodes don't exist for it yet. |
| 01:09.54 | twobitsprite | karsten: I've been searching far and wide for a decent terminal font... any suggestions? |
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| 01:10.40 | Sinnfrei | hi there |
| 01:10.43 | karsten | twobitsprite: and rxvt-unicode for a terminal. |
| 01:10.54 | karsten | Sinnfrei: No, we're over here. |
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| 01:11.29 | dvs_ | I am neither here nor there |
| 01:11.39 | Supaplex | wow, real documentation. |
| 01:11.45 | Sinnfrei | i've just updated postfix(-mysql) to 2.3.8-2 and now the little bitch won't ?work? anymore ;) |
| 01:11.47 | twobitsprite | karsten: odd. xfontsel shows some eastern looking characters when I select -*-fixed-medium-... |
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| 01:11.54 | velko | Nergar: try this LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 xterm -u8 -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--18-120-100-100-c-90-iso10646-1 -bg black -fg white -bdc -fb -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--18-120-100-100-c-90-iso10646-1 |
| 01:11.57 | karsten | Supaplex: The LVM HOWOTO is pretty good. |
| 01:12.09 | doublehp | sound problem: installed Stable, 2.6.8-3-386, and my card is reported by lspci as "Multimedia audio controller: Cyrix Corporation 5530 Audio [Kahlua]" ; I know it *can* work since it used to work previously with testing. Problem is that alsaconf says there is no PCI card inserted (and of course it fails when searching ISA cards). What can I try ? |
| 01:12.10 | karsten | twobitsprite: Look at what local it's globbing to. |
| 01:12.16 | karsten | !tell doublehp about sound |
| 01:12.21 | Sinnfrei | the log tells me warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 1995 killed by signal 11 |
| 01:12.24 | Nergar | why velko ? |
| 01:12.27 | Sinnfrei | warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling |
| 01:12.28 | twobitsprite | karsten: does not computer |
| 01:12.28 | Nergar | whats that? |
| 01:12.31 | twobitsprite | compute* |
| 01:12.43 | velko | Nergar: you're looking for a good unicode font? |
| 01:12.44 | Sinnfrei | if i connect via netcat to port 25 the server doesn't respond. |
| 01:12.51 | karsten | twobitsprite: s/local/locale/ |
| 01:12.53 | velko | Nergar: for xterm |
| 01:12.55 | Nergar | velko, no |
| 01:12.57 | wols | Sinnfrei: have you edited your transport.cf? |
| 01:13.04 | Nergar | lol |
| 01:13.11 | wols | oops. master.cf |
| 01:13.13 | velko | Nergar: :-) |
| 01:13.13 | Sinnfrei | now.. the big question: who fucked it up? the maintainer or me? ;) |
| 01:13.27 | wols | Sinnfrei: chances are: you. sorry |
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| 01:13.32 | Nergar | velko, i think it was twobitsprite |
| 01:13.32 | Sinnfrei | damn thing |
| 01:13.48 | Sinnfrei | wols: which transport.cf? |
| 01:13.53 | wols | master.cf |
| 01:13.59 | Telepathboy | Ah well, let's see what happens when I toss in the Devel netinst. |
| 01:14.21 | kkreamer | Sinnfrei: whomever f'd it up.. the big question is what is wrong, and how to fix it? |
| 01:14.22 | velko | twobitsprite: you've seen the font suggestion for xterm above? |
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| 01:15.00 | junix-other | ok i am still having an issue with vmware server and the kernel header files, i've tried installing kernel 2.6.8-2-686-smp and removing kernel 2.6.8-3-686-smp, and it still can't fine the header files, i've installed every header file known for installation for 2.6.8-2-686 and 386, i'm not sure what else to do, please advise |
| 01:15.20 | doublehp | karsten: did all that previously (have 5y experience with SID); fact is that ... alsaconf does not detect my chipset, and I dont know which module I should load; since testing does it easies, I wonder if this chipset is really suported by 2.6.8 ... and how to check this. |
| 01:15.20 | Sinnfrei | wols: why should i edit it? before the upgrade it worked just fine and the readme.Debian and other documentation didn't say i'd have to |
| 01:15.33 | markybob | junix-other, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 01:15.37 | dvs | !find kernel-headers stable |
| 01:15.39 | karsten | doublehp: Sorry, 'bot's all I know here. |
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| 01:15.51 | wols | Sinnfrei: cause it's the place where smtdp command and args are deinfed |
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| 01:16.02 | junix-other | markybob: did that already |
| 01:16.03 | wols | Sinnfrei: as for "has the maintainre fucked up": check BTS |
| 01:16.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kernel-headers' (3 of 11): (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-3/kernel-headers.revision) in devel/kernel-headers-2.6.8-3 ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-12/kernel-headers.revision) in devel/kernel-headers-2.6.8-12 ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-3/kernel-headers.revision) in devel/kernel-headers-2.4.27-3. |
| 01:16.20 | Sinnfrei | wols: BTS? what's that? |
| 01:16.24 | wols | !bts |
| 01:16.24 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:16.25 | markybob | junix-other, kernel-headers-`uname -r` in sarge. what are you using? |
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| 01:16.37 | junix-other | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 01:16.38 | Sinnfrei | uh |
| 01:16.50 | doublehp | !tell Sinnfrei about tell |
| 01:16.51 | markybob | junix-other, that's not an answer for what i asked |
| 01:17.40 | wols | junix-other: do you have a paste for the error? |
| 01:17.44 | junix-other | nevermind |
| 01:17.47 | junix-other | its working now |
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| 01:18.06 | TwoPints | what does "set -e" in the init scripts mean? |
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| 01:18.28 | dondelelcaro | TwoPints: that they stop at the first error. |
| 01:18.36 | TwoPints | thanks |
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| 01:18.47 | dondelelcaro | TwoPints: help set; for more information |
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| 01:19.05 | Sinnfrei | mh.. is there a chance to get the previous version of postfix(-mysql/-doc) installed again, to test if they would still work? |
| 01:19.25 | Sinnfrei | got not much time to make a clean fix for that thingy now |
| 01:19.37 | wols | Sinnfrei: save your config. purge postfix. reinstall |
| 01:19.43 | redduck666 | Sinnfrei: it is probably in your /var/apt/cache/archive |
| 01:19.54 | wols | recreate your config (but not all since something in your config most probably cuases it) |
| 01:20.26 | markybob | !tell Sinnfrei about snapshot |
| 01:20.56 | edju | Is there some way to transfer a file from Linux to Windoze running under VMware? |
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| 01:21.09 | wols | edju: amsba always works |
| 01:21.15 | dvs | who? |
| 01:21.17 | wols | and vmware has shared folders |
| 01:21.21 | wols | *samba |
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| 01:21.51 | edju | wols, shared folders? |
| 01:22.01 | r4nge | where does the line... "Linux host 2.6.17-10-server #2 SMP Fri Oct 13 18:47:26 UTC 2006 i686" come from when logging in remotely? i didnt put that line in /etc/motd |
| 01:22.17 | wols | edju: do you read docs of programy you use? |
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| 01:22.35 | edju | wols, of course not. |
| 01:22.41 | wols | r4nge: do a uname -a |
| 01:22.52 | SillyG | its in a boot script |
| 01:22.58 | SillyG | it gets overwritten |
| 01:23.17 | SillyG | do a grep -r -l /etc/motd /etc/init.d |
| 01:23.26 | wols | and yes. check /etc/motd |
| 01:23.48 | Snuggles2000 | Hmm..is there any way to map mousewheel signals to the up and down arrows on the keyboard? |
| 01:24.05 | r4nge | well i put something in /etc/motd and when i reboot that line is added to the /etc/motd |
| 01:24.17 | SillyG | "grep -r -l /etc/motd /etc/init.d" |
| 01:24.26 | SillyG | it will tell you which init script is doing it |
| 01:24.50 | peterS | there's probably a way to do it if you use something like xterm, but offhand I don't know what it is |
| 01:24.55 | Sinnfrei | strange thing. the old version works. |
| 01:26.28 | Telepathboy | I have a Windows Millenium Edition product key on the side of the machine that Debian is installing on right now... I can't imagine that will ever be useful |
| 01:26.28 | r4nge | SillyG: thanks that was it.. "uname -snrvm" |
| 01:26.28 | Kevin` | Telepathboy i'd take it, but I dunno if i'd ever use it either |
| 01:26.28 | kkreamer | sinnfrei: I missed it.. did you define what "works" means? (i.e. what broke?) |
| 01:26.47 | SillyG | r4nge: np |
| 01:27.07 | wols | Telepathboy: it will jinx your debian install |
| 01:27.21 | Telepathboy | The Ghost of Windows Past? |
| 01:27.26 | Kevin` | I have a "made for windows 95" sticker on my debian laptop |
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| 01:27.41 | Kevin` | draws stares but no bad luck as far as I noticed |
| 01:27.43 | amphi | Kevin`: very debonair ;) |
| 01:27.44 | Telepathboy | Yeah, but Windows 95 actually kind of worked :) |
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| 01:27.52 | wols | made for windows98 on mine |
| 01:28.00 | SillyG | windows 3.11 was the last windows that worked |
| 01:28.30 | wols | nah. win2k was the first that worked |
| 01:28.37 | intruder | i have a debian sticker on mine :P |
| 01:28.51 | SillyG | i have no stickers :) |
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| 01:28.58 | doublehp | sound problem: installed Stable, 2.6.8-3-386, and my card is reported by lspci as "Multimedia audio controller: Cyrix Corporation 5530 Audio [Kahlua]" ; I know it *can* work since it used to work previously with testing. Problem is that alsaconf says there is no PCI card inserted (and of course it fails when searching ISA cards). What can I try ? |
| 01:28.58 | wols | only 15 years after the first windows came out... |
| 01:29.06 | Telepathboy | I have no laptop :) |
| 01:29.24 | wols | doublehp: google wwhat driver |
| 01:29.34 | doublehp | wols: google does not help |
| 01:29.53 | dvs | doublehp: cs5530 |
| 01:30.38 | doublehp | dvs: does not work (even when using discover, udev, alsaconf, hotplug .... ); alsamixer keeps sayging I dont have snd card. |
| 01:30.56 | Telepathboy | If I can get the hang of Debian and/or Linux in general, I'll try and pick up a laptop to mess with. |
| 01:31.41 | dvs | doublehp: modprobe sb |
| 01:32.05 | doublehp | dvs: "FATAL: Error inserting sb (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel/sound/oss/sb.ko): No such device"; |
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| 01:32.34 | doublehp | dvs: sd16 is useless try since I have no access to BIOS to get add&IO |
| 01:32.44 | doublehp | maybe /proc will help ... |
| 01:33.04 | dvs | doublehp: and "modprobe kahlua" doesn't work either? |
| 01:33.28 | wols | doublehp: kahlua,ko |
| 01:33.36 | wols | OSS only tho |
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| 01:35.01 | doublehp | dvs: no, didnt help ! /dev/snd keeps having only 2 entries : controlC0 timer |
| 01:35.35 | dvs | doublehp: I think /dev/snd is for ALSA though. This is an OSS driver. |
| 01:36.08 | wols | for alsa: try mixart.ko |
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| 01:36.41 | wols | yes dev/snd is alsa /dev/dsp is oss |
| 01:36.49 | doublehp | dvs: wols http://rafb.net/p/Q7dfMf39.html |
| 01:37.10 | dvs | doublehp: you types dsp wrong |
| 01:37.20 | dvs | oh nevermind |
| 01:37.22 | Snuggles2000 | Hmm.. |
| 01:37.38 | Snuggles2000 | So I'm trying to do rm -r /azureus, but it says the directory doesn't exist! |
| 01:37.49 | Sazpaimon | alright, I'm thinking of installing FUSE on my server |
| 01:37.55 | Snuggles2000 | I tried ./azureus too but that didn't work either. |
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| 01:37.59 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: what makes you think it does? |
| 01:38.22 | Snuggles2000 | The output from ls, unless that isn't accurate? |
| 01:38.29 | Sazpaimon | uname reports my kernel as 2.6.16.33-061227b, is this any good or do I need to upgrade? |
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| 01:38.42 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: try find . |grep zure |
| 01:39.04 | wols | Snuggles2000: its your interpretation that is wrong |
| 01:39.06 | intx | what port does gpg use for --recv-keys? |
| 01:39.13 | wols | neither ls nor rm is |
| 01:39.18 | Snuggles2000 | It's there. |
| 01:39.25 | wols | no |
| 01:39.27 | stew | intx: getent services hkp |
| 01:39.28 | Guerin | intx: rtfd; likely just does it over http |
| 01:39.32 | Snuggles2000 | It isn't? |
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| 01:39.57 | wols | in your / ? no |
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| 01:40.22 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: try rm -r azureus; |
| 01:40.29 | Snuggles2000 | o_O |
| 01:40.30 | Guerin | no . no / |
| 01:40.41 | Snuggles2000 | That's interesting.. |
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| 01:40.48 | Guerin | while in the appropriate dir (~) |
| 01:40.59 | dino- | Is this an appropriate place to ask about trying to debian package something? |
| 01:41.07 | Snuggles2000 | Yes! |
| 01:41.11 | Guerin | dino-: better off in #debian-mentors irc.debian.org |
| 01:41.14 | Snuggles2000 | So why wouldn't / work? Just curious :) |
| 01:41.21 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: because it's not in / |
| 01:41.28 | Snuggles2000 | Ooooh, because / is root? |
| 01:41.33 | Guerin | yes. |
| 01:41.33 | wols | cause its your root directory |
| 01:41.36 | Snuggles2000 | Interesting. |
| 01:41.45 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:41.52 | intx | Guerin: man doesn't say |
| 01:41.52 | wols | *sigh* |
| 01:41.58 | Snuggles2000 | Yeah yeah stupid question I know. Still getting used to bash. |
| 01:41.59 | dino- | Guerin: Ok. Thanks. |
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| 01:42.11 | Guerin | intx: mm. Did stew's line tell you? |
| 01:42.38 | wols | not a bash thing. geneeral *nix thing |
| 01:42.45 | intx | stew: thanks! |
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| 01:42.54 | SillyG | wols: i was about to say that |
| 01:43.00 | SillyG | :( |
| 01:43.10 | Telepathboy | Hrrmmm. Installation is complete. |
| 01:43.17 | SillyG | everyone should join #cplug |
| 01:43.22 | SillyG | its a lug group |
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| 01:43.29 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: piss off. |
| 01:43.31 | Guerin | oops |
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| 01:43.34 | Guerin | SillyG: piss off |
| 01:43.45 | SillyG | yeah |
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| 01:44.04 | SillyG | i know.... |
| 01:44.20 | Snuggles2000 | ^_^ |
| 01:44.44 | doublehp | dvs: wols snd-sb16 dont work either "ound Blaster 16 soundcard not found or device busy" |
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| 01:45.12 | Guerin | doublehp: sb16 should come up fine under alsamixer |
| 01:45.15 | Guerin | err |
| 01:45.15 | dvs | doublehp: I don't know what it can be then |
| 01:45.17 | Guerin | alsaconfig |
| 01:45.33 | Guerin | doublehp: is it pnp or jumpers? |
| 01:45.34 | doublehp | Guerin: alsamixer come fine when module loads ! |
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| 01:46.32 | doublehp | Guerin: sound problem: installed Stable, 2.6.8-3-386, and my card is reported by lspci as "Multimedia audio controller: Cyrix Corporation 5530 Audio [Kahlua]" ; I know it *can* work since it used to work previously with testing. Problem is that alsaconf says there is no PCI card inserted (and of course it fails when searching ISA cards). What can I try ? I did Google, and loaded tons of mocules; problem is that ... no module can see |
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| 01:47.02 | dvs | doublehp: testing uses a newer kernel |
| 01:47.06 | Guerin | doublehp: you might need a newer flavour of alsa? |
| 01:47.53 | doublehp | dvs: if I upgrade or downgrade, I have problem with other devices |
| 01:48.01 | doublehp | Guerin: ? |
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| 01:48.20 | dvs | doublehp: then looks like your only choice would be to compile your own kernel if you want it to work. |
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| 01:49.05 | Guerin | google seems to indicate that oss works |
| 01:50.05 | SillyG | Somehow I got banned from #ubuntu |
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| 01:50.15 | SillyG | i forgot what I did |
| 01:50.23 | dvs | SillyG: the horror! ;-) |
| 01:50.24 | Guerin | SillyG: probably spammed about your lug channel. |
| 01:50.30 | SillyG | naw |
| 01:50.39 | doublehp | Guerin: I dont have the same mother board, and dont either use Puppy |
| 01:50.53 | Guerin | puppy is irrelevant |
| 01:50.58 | Guerin | it's the same kernel |
| 01:51.05 | Guerin | or more or less the same |
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| 01:58.00 | Nergar | somebody using utorrent? |
| 01:59.10 | Telepathboy | Not *right* now, but I have it. What's up? |
| 01:59.22 | streuner | Nergar: its OT here |
| 01:59.26 | Nergar | i have it, and it was working fine but now it stuck in the tray |
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| 01:59.58 | streuner | Nergar: we support Open-Source :-) |
| 02:00.00 | Nergar | the window won't show when i start it |
| 02:00.26 | Telepathboy | streuner: Tell me more of this open-source torrent master? |
| 02:00.27 | abrotman | we support applications in Debian ? |
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| 02:00.53 | Telepathboy | The window won't show... hrm. Not sure, you didn't happen to move the window beyond the boundaries of your viewable screen, did you? |
| 02:01.04 | Tx | hey, anyone here got wine on a debian box and can quickly check a few paths for me? (working on a debian specific bug in some software and I need to know some paths) |
| 02:01.24 | streuner | abrotman: in general... |
| 02:01.27 | Nergar | Telepathboy, this happened when i was using beryl |
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| 02:02.49 | amphi | Nergar: oh well ;) |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | magieram: just ask |
| 02:03.55 | freetos | will etch ship with beryl enabled by default? |
| 02:03.56 | streuner | no |
| 02:03.56 | abrotman | though you might want to specify which version of debian |
| 02:03.56 | abrotman | !info beryl etch |
| 02:03.56 | abrotman | !+info beryl etch |
| 02:03.56 | streuner | freetos: etch is frozen... |
| 02:03.56 | dpkg | Package 'beryl' does not exist. |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 02:04.20 | streuner | !beryl |
| 02:04.21 | dpkg | methinks beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
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| 02:05.10 | streuner | its beta, btw... |
| 02:05.23 | kupesoft | Anyone had any luck getting iwlwifi to work with etch, it won't compile |
| 02:05.32 | kupesoft | on my machine |
| 02:05.56 | magieram | k well can someone verify the paths of the executables wine, winecfg, wineprefixcreate and wineserver (I think that's all I need) |
| 02:06.30 | robin_sz | one day, I will have to get someone to explain to me what the big fuss is about this and that window manager |
| 02:06.33 | abrotman | magieram: which version of debian ? |
| 02:06.39 | PingFloyd | for instance somevar="<a href=file.html>link1</a>" |
| 02:07.09 | amphi | robin_sz: beryl has hideous undulating windows ;) |
| 02:07.13 | magieram | damn, so it varies? um... stupid answer maybe but latest? or preferably info on all |
| 02:07.23 | Nergar | anyone has any idea about utorrent? |
| 02:07.29 | abrotman | !find bin/winecfg etch |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | Nergar: is it in debian ? |
| 02:07.38 | amphi | Nergar: what is it? |
| 02:07.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/winecfg' (1): (/usr/bin/winecfg) in otherosfs/wine-utils. |
| 02:07.40 | robin_sz | amphi, sounds horrible ... |
| 02:07.41 | abrotman | magieram: or use apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 02:07.47 | streuner | Nergar: we told you, utorrent is NOT open-source and NOT in Debian. |
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| 02:08.06 | Nergar | utorrent shows in the systray but not the window when i start it |
| 02:08.06 | magieram | oh thanks, that's even better. wasn't sure there was a way I could check online |
| 02:08.28 | amphi | systray? |
| 02:08.36 | streuner | Nergar: are you a bot or are you always ignore what people saying? |
| 02:08.39 | robin_sz | Nergar, sprechen sie deutsch? |
| 02:08.44 | Nergar | streuner, i don't see whats the matter of talking to someone WILLING to help |
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| 02:08.46 | cberl1 | Hi folks! I'm trying to build a new NFS-boot kernel and I'm coming up with "cramfs: wrong magic". Does anyone know how to diagnose this, or where I'd look for a 2.4.27 kernel? |
| 02:09.01 | Nergar | nei |
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| 02:09.12 | robin_sz | Nergar, Suomi? |
| 02:09.21 | Nergar | -_-? |
| 02:09.26 | robin_sz | finnish? |
| 02:09.34 | Nergar | spanish |
| 02:09.41 | Nergar | french |
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| 02:09.47 | Nergar | english |
| 02:09.47 | dkr | it's not very likely he knows finnish if he didn't know what Suomi meant, heh ;) |
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| 02:09.55 | Telepathboy | I was thinking that dkr. |
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| 02:10.21 | dalia | hey buddies, how come /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure isn't avaiable for users by default? |
| 02:10.28 | robin_sz | dkr, I was trying to work out what language he understood, so I could explain "not in debian" to him as clearly, english wasn;t working. |
| 02:10.28 | abrotman | why would it be ? |
| 02:10.38 | markybob | dalia, it's an *admin* tool |
| 02:10.39 | streuner | daila: why should it be? |
| 02:10.51 | Pollywog | I am seeing this in my logs, any ideas how to fix? syslog-ng[17055]: Error opening file for writing; filename='/dev/xconsole' |
| 02:10.57 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:10.59 | Pollywog | Etch btw |
| 02:11.00 | streuner | that every user could change your config file of X? :-) |
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| 02:11.16 | Azar | DawnLight: because it should not be fooled around by users |
| 02:11.18 | amphi | Pollywog: does /dev/xconsole exist? |
| 02:11.43 | Nergar | fuck u all, all i needed was some advice. but i see you can't help a bit. what a shame |
| 02:11.43 | DawnLight | streuner: for dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 02:12.05 | streuner | DawnLight: its enough for the admin :-) |
| 02:12.38 | abrotman | DawnLight: are you trying to change one user ? |
| 02:12.39 | Pollywog | amphi: no, how do I make it? |
| 02:12.39 | Pollywog | and what does it do? |
| 02:12.39 | abrotman | streuner: to make that even better .. he was using ubuntu :) |
| 02:12.39 | Azar | DawnLight: you can configure the user's bash for locales... no need to change it system wide |
| 02:12.40 | DawnLight | wow who didn't help Nergar? |
| 02:12.43 | amphi | everyone didn't help him |
| 02:12.49 | Azar | I just came in but it looks that Nergar was not very polite |
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| 02:13.10 | Pollywog | I just got here but I don't know if I can help him I am green |
| 02:13.19 | abrotman | DawnLight: he wasn't asking for Debian help |
| 02:13.28 | Telepathboy | He was having issues with uTorrent. I'm the only person that uses it here, and I don't know anything about debian, so I couldn't help him. |
| 02:13.34 | cberl1 | What's the message mkinitrd pops up when building a kernel with initrd option all about? I've got a local-booting kernel no problem; now I want to use that to PXE-boot a system to use NFS. |
| 02:13.36 | robin_sz | Azar, it was a non-debian, non-working, closed source package for file stealing he wahted help with, noting to do with us |
| 02:13.49 | Azar | robin_sz: so good, then he deserves the boot |
| 02:13.50 | Pollywog | oic |
| 02:14.01 | Pollywog | two boots |
| 02:14.09 | robin_sz | and a slap |
| 02:14.24 | Telepathboy | So anyway... does someone want to key me in on what the open-source torrent program you folks had mentioned earlier is? |
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| 02:14.25 | Azar | pricks |
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| 02:14.36 | abrotman | rtorrent ? |
| 02:14.51 | DawnLight | it seems to me that "export" doesn't last after reboot |
| 02:14.57 | abrotman | robin_sz: on an OS we don't support :) |
| 02:15.03 | markybob | DawnLight, that's right |
| 02:15.11 | Telepathboy | ...sure? I think it was actually 'OT' that was mentioned. Either way. |
| 02:15.14 | robin_sz | abrotman, oh it wasnt even on Debian? |
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| 02:15.27 | abrotman | robin_sz: based on /whois .. that's my guess |
| 02:15.32 | robin_sz | heh |
| 02:15.37 | DawnLight | and also that changing locales when root doesn't change them for users |
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| 02:15.58 | DawnLight | what wa that signoff |
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| 02:16.04 | Azar | Telepathboy: ot is when we chat about sports, not about other Operating Systems |
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| 02:16.20 | DawnLight | is this a bot? |
| 02:16.30 | abrotman | i am not a bot! |
| 02:16.39 | Pollywog | okay I used mknod to make /dev/xconsole now I will see if the errors disappear |
| 02:16.40 | Azar | ;) |
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| 02:16.49 | Pollywog | mknod -m 644 /dev/xconsole p |
| 02:16.56 | Sazpaimon_ | that was fun |
| 02:16.59 | Sazpaimon_ | et's do that again! |
| 02:17.20 | DawnLight | what's that you're doing Sazpaimon_ |
| 02:17.38 | Pollywog | there are ppl here who know about sports? |
| 02:17.38 | Sazpaimon_ | i was referring to the netsplit |
| 02:17.43 | pzn | Hi. I have a HD with debian/etch running in a -K7 machine. Can I get this HD and put in a amd64 machine? will it run with no problems? |
| 02:18.02 | abrotman | hopefully .. seems likely |
| 02:18.06 | robin_sz | Pollywog, sure, we all love sports ... |
| 02:18.11 | DawnLight | i like WRC, Pollywog |
| 02:18.17 | Pollywog | WRC? |
| 02:18.30 | DawnLight | world rally championship |
| 02:18.31 | robin_sz | Pollywog, online multipllayer doom, onlibne casinos ... |
| 02:18.36 | Azar | pzn, not sure but there are different kernels for a 32bit vs 64bit |
| 02:18.38 | intruder | Pollywog: it should |
| 02:18.47 | streuner | pzn: if the kernel supports the AMD64 machine sure :-) |
| 02:18.54 | Pollywog | what kind of rally? |
| 02:18.56 | DawnLight | 2 liter turbocharged 4wd |
| 02:18.58 | Azar | pzn unless you run that 64bit machine as 32bit.. |
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| 02:19.02 | streuner | pzn: just reinstall |
| 02:19.07 | Wyzard | pzn: Yes, 64-bit-capable processors can also run 32-bit stuff |
| 02:19.32 | markybob | if hardware support was only as simple as processor support...that'd be nice. |
| 02:19.33 | DawnLight | so how do i change locale for a user while logged as that user? |
| 02:19.34 | Wyzard | pzn: A 32-bit -k7 kernel should boot just fine on an AMD64 |
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| 02:20.16 | wolfspiri1 | questions about how apache2 is set up with ubuntu/debian.. tried configuring /usr/share/apache2/config/default to change the documentroot to /var/www/html and even after a restart it still defaults to /var/www please help |
| 02:20.31 | Azar | Wyzard: the linux-image kernels in Etch still have the k7 and k8 ? |
| 02:20.33 | markybob | ubuntu/debian. of course |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | wolfspiri1: they differ .. which is it ? |
| 02:20.40 | DawnLight | Pollywog, those things are fun to drive in computer simulation with a force feedback steering wheel and foot pedals like nothing is |
| 02:20.57 | Wyzard | pzn: You may need to adjust other things, such as /etc/fstab and your modules configuration, to adjust to the new system's hardware, but it can be made to work without reinstalling |
| 02:20.59 | Pollywog | oic |
| 02:21.01 | Azar | wolfspiri1: this is debian only, we don't have ubuntu |
| 02:21.26 | wolfspiri1 | abrotman: it's ubuntu but nobody responds in there and I know ubuntu and it's packages are debian based.. thought maybe debian has a similar setup with it's directories |
| 02:21.28 | markybob | wolfspiri1, first off...config is in /etc/apache2, not /usr/share/wtf |
| 02:21.30 | Telepathboy | Alright folks, I'm out. I'll probably be back tomorrow, still working on this :) |
| 02:21.37 | Pollywog | DawnLight: in Linux or would one need to use the Billygates OS? |
| 02:21.43 | Azar | ... you know we should just give them the debian answers, if their ubuntu breaks , is on them |
| 02:21.57 | Snuggles2000 | Does anyone here know what SableVM is? |
| 02:22.05 | markybob | Azar, and a waste of our time. i love that part! |
| 02:22.14 | Snuggles2000 | Or rather, if it's a debian specific package. |
| 02:22.17 | Azar | markybob: they waste our time anyways... |
| 02:22.25 | pzn | Wyzard, so I don't know what I did wrong... the system boots, but I can not work with all 3 NICs. 2-rtl8138 1-3c905. they are detected, shows up in lspci, in lsmod, dmesg | grep eth, and ifconfig says eth0: device not found... |
| 02:22.30 | Azar | ... then they leave "fucking us" |
| 02:22.35 | stew | Snuggles2000: its a free implementation of java |
| 02:22.41 | stew | Snuggles2000: it's not debian specific |
| 02:22.42 | abrotman | Snuggles2000: i don't think it is .. but the #debian-java channel should know more |
| 02:22.44 | Wyzard | Azar: 32-bit Debian does have -k7 kernels... looks like the -k8 ones have been renamed to -amd64 |
| 02:22.57 | Pollywog | I don't know why they ask here, ppl are very helpful in #ubuntu |
| 02:22.57 | wolfspiri1 | markybob: there is the apache2.conf .. but it only specifics the server root and not document root.. httpd.conf is a one liner that is commented out that says that it is the 'old' way of configuring |
| 02:22.58 | Azar | Wyzard: oh thanks :) |
| 02:23.00 | pzn | Wyzard, I just need to work this machine in amd64 temporarely, for 2 weeks... I could run in 32bit. |
| 02:23.11 | Pollywog | I have Debian and Ubuntu |
| 02:23.12 | DawnLight | well, i don't know. i've played collin mcrae rally 2005 for windows. it's by codemasters and i think it's got opengl |
| 02:23.21 | Snuggles2000 | Hmm..that's weird. Thanks though abrotman. SOmehow I need to get rid of it :/ |
| 02:23.23 | Wyzard | pzn: That's not a 32/64 issue... that just sounds like the driver modules aren't loaded |
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| 02:23.55 | markybob | wolfspiri1, i dont support ubuntu. try #apache if you must try something other than #ubuntu |
| 02:24.04 | VolVE | Hey all, when my server's powered up and I connect an SATA drive, I see a message in syslog about "primary device attached", but how do I figure out what /dev/ entry the new drive is? |
| 02:24.11 | pzn | Wyzard, they are loaded. lsmod shows them, dmesg | grep eth shows the detection of eth0 eth1 eth2... but ifconfig shows "device not found" |
| 02:24.13 | abrotman | Snuggles2000: uninstall it ? |
| 02:24.20 | wolfspiri1 | I know debian and ubuntu is different just figured I might get some help in here.. been using linux since 2000.. just happen to have ubuntu installed |
| 02:24.37 | Wyzard | VolVE: SATA drives appear as SCSI, so it'll be /dev/sda (unless you already have some other sda, in which case it'd be sdb, etc.) |
| 02:24.42 | Snuggles2000 | abrotman: The thing is, I have absolutely no clue where it came from..we'll see what happens with that though. |
| 02:24.57 | Azar | wolfspiri1: whatever you got on your httpd.conf is not exactly what we got in debian.. |
| 02:24.59 | abrotman | Snuggles2000: installing a java app is a likely answer :) |
| 02:25.00 | streuner | just install Debian and we prolly can help |
| 02:25.01 | stew | Snuggles2000: you must have installed something that needed java. |
| 02:25.03 | wolfspiri1 | questions about how apache2 is set up with ubuntu.. tried configuring /usr/share/apache2/config/default to change the documentroot to /var/www/html and even after a restart it still defaults to /var/www please help |
| 02:25.03 | Pollywog | they are different enough that if you go to the wrong channel and ask, breakage might result |
| 02:25.13 | Snuggles2000 | Oh! Does SableVM come with Etch? |
| 02:25.17 | wolfspiri1 | oops sorry.. disregard |
| 02:25.18 | abrotman | wolfspiri1: try #apache or ##linux please |
| 02:25.26 | Azar | wolfspiri1: we don't have same directories, files and settings... |
| 02:25.26 | wolfspiri1 | meant to paste that in #apache |
| 02:25.32 | VolVE | Wyzard: I actually don't see any new entries apart from the 2 current SATA drives... :-/ |
| 02:25.36 | Snuggles2000 | Someone was saying Debian came with an implementation of Java. |
| 02:25.48 | stew | Snuggles2000: its available in sarge and etch, but it's not installed by default or anything |
| 02:25.58 | DawnLight | so peeps help by telling me how to change locales as user from console or i'll get angry and leave dramatically |
| 02:26.00 | stew | Snuggles2000: debian provides several implementations of java |
| 02:26.11 | Snuggles2000 | The one I need is Sun's...gah. |
| 02:26.12 | Wyzard | VolVE: Does it show up in /proc/scsi/scsi? |
| 02:26.21 | Snuggles2000 | Somehow Sun's JVM and SableVM got mixed up. |
| 02:26.27 | Azar | DawnLight: I will give you the intro in bash... holdon |
| 02:26.29 | stew | Snuggles2000: install sun-java5-jre |
| 02:26.34 | VolVE | Wyzard: hmm, let me check! |
| 02:26.37 | stew | Snuggles2000: its in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 02:26.44 | stew | DawnLight: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:26.52 | Azar | DawnLight: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-shell.html |
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| 02:27.03 | cld2 | anyone burning cd's from the cli using cdrecord? |
| 02:27.03 | Azar | stew he wants only for user.. not systemwide |
| 02:27.16 | cld2 | I cant seem to get an iso to burn correctly. any ideas? |
| 02:27.18 | Azar | cld2: I used to.. |
| 02:27.21 | stew | DawnLight: does the locale you want to use apepar in /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 02:27.30 | cld2 | Azar: any tricks for getting iso to burn? |
| 02:27.31 | Azar | cld2: me too, that why I quit trying |
| 02:27.34 | markybob | cld2, check the file with md5 ? |
| 02:27.36 | Azar | :) |
| 02:27.43 | DawnLight | thanks Azar |
| 02:27.49 | Wyzard | cld2: You need to provide more details... what specifically is going wrong, and what command-line options you're using |
| 02:28.00 | Azar | DawnLight: with that you learn how to customize a user's shell |
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| 02:28.14 | DawnLight | stew, dpkg-reconfigure isn't available as user |
| 02:28.31 | DawnLight | yey |
| 02:28.34 | stew | DawnLight: yes, sorry. does the locale you want appear in /etc/locale.gen ? |
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| 02:28.41 | cld2 | Wyzard: sudo cdrecord -v -pad debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso is what im doing, and it goes through the entire process, then when you go to mount it it just says bad super block etc etc. |
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| 02:28.53 | cld2 | markybob: yeah, md5 passes fine. |
| 02:29.05 | markybob | how are you mounting it? |
| 02:29.10 | Wyzard | cld2: FWIW, you shouldn't need -pad, and I'd suggest using -dao (though it should still work fine even if you don't) |
| 02:29.14 | DawnLight | well, is that file shared system wide, stew? |
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| 02:29.28 | cld2 | Wyzard: it defaults to dao, ill try with out the -pad |
| 02:29.32 | stew | DawnLight: what do you mean? |
| 02:29.34 | cld2 | markybob: mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
| 02:29.35 | Wyzard | cld2: Try loop-mounting the .iso file to check whether it's corrupted on-disk |
| 02:29.43 | stew | DawnLight: that file should be readable by anyone if that is what you are asking |
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| 02:30.11 | cld2 | Wyzard: ok, I figured if the md5 passed it should be ok. thanks for the ideas. |
| 02:30.38 | Wyzard | cld2: If you did an MD5 check then yeah, it should be OK, but it doesn't hurt to check anyway |
| 02:30.48 | Wyzard | cld2: Also, MD5 the resulting CD after it finishes burning |
| 02:31.08 | VolVE | Wyzard: nothing new in /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 02:31.25 | cld2 | Wyzard: how would I md5 the cd if I cant mount it? |
| 02:31.31 | DawnLight | i mean, dpkg-reconfigure generates that, right? and if i do that as root of course then the file would contain whatever i've selected... ? |
| 02:31.34 | Wyzard | VolVE: You booted a system with two SATA disks already installed, and then hot-plugged a new one, right? |
| 02:31.35 | DawnLight | stew |
| 02:31.42 | VolVE | Wyzard: yes |
| 02:31.44 | Wyzard | cld2: You don't need to mount it at all; just MD5 the block device |
| 02:31.45 | stew | DawnLight: correct |
| 02:31.47 | Guerin | cld2: md5sum /dev/hdd |
| 02:31.53 | Guerin | or whatever |
| 02:31.55 | DawnLight | then yes, stew |
| 02:31.56 | Wyzard | VolVE: Maybe your SATA controller (or its driver) doesn't support hotplug |
| 02:31.57 | cld2 | ah, thanks. |
| 02:32.12 | VolVE | Wyzard: even though there's the "primary device attached" message? hmm |
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| 02:32.43 | Wyzard | VolVE: That means the hardware seems to have recognized the change, but it could be that the driver doesn't support handling that event by initializing the interface or whatever |
| 02:32.44 | stew | DawnLight: then set the LANG variable to the locale you want to use in your .bash_profile, then log out and back in |
| 02:32.53 | Wyzard | VolVE: What type of SATA controller are you using? |
| 02:32.55 | VolVE | Wyzard: curious... ok |
| 02:33.11 | VolVE | Wyzard: onboard on a Tyan socket 939 board |
| 02:33.18 | VolVE | Wyzard: not sure the controller specifically |
| 02:33.26 | VolVE | I shall poke further though |
| 02:33.34 | Wyzard | VolVE: You can check with lspci |
| 02:33.43 | Wyzard | VolVE: Is it an Intel chipset? |
| 02:33.52 | VolVE | Nvidia I think :-/ |
| 02:34.15 | VolVE | what should I see in lspci ? |
| 02:34.29 | VolVE | "nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev f3)" |
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| 02:35.02 | Wyzard | OK, an nForce-based motherboard |
| 02:35.19 | DawnLight | i'm just learning about bash, stew, Azar gave me a page to read. better to learn how to fish! |
| 02:35.24 | VolVE | it would seem so, yes |
| 02:35.37 | stew | !wikifaq DawnLight DotFiles |
| 02:35.37 | dpkg | DawnLight: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 02:35.41 | Wyzard | "sata_nv" is your SATA driver? |
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| 02:36.00 | VolVE | Wyzard: it would seem so, "nv_sata: Primary device added" |
| 02:36.10 | Wyzard | ok |
| 02:36.22 | Wyzard | I don't think that driver supports hotplug |
| 02:36.28 | Wyzard | I know it doesn't support NCQ |
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| 02:36.33 | VolVE | curious |
| 02:36.43 | VolVE | alright, well I can reboot, I'm sure that'll help |
| 02:36.46 | Wyzard | However, if it's a recent board, you may be able to switch the controller into AHCI mode, which fully supports both hotplug and NCQ |
| 02:36.49 | VolVE | thanks for narrowing it down :) |
| 02:37.00 | Wyzard | Look in the BIOS for that |
| 02:37.00 | VolVE | not that recent I don't think |
| 02:37.04 | Wyzard | ok |
| 02:37.09 | VolVE | I'll poke more, thank you Wyzard :) |
| 02:37.11 | Wyzard | Well, it's worth checking anyway |
| 02:37.23 | Wyzard | SATA hotplug works great on my Intel ICH8-based motherboard in AHCI mode |
| 02:37.43 | linuxnewbee | hi all the /dev links to my cd drive are missing for some reason , anyone now how to create them, the drives are hdc: ATAPI DVD DUAL 8X4X12, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 02:37.47 | linuxnewbee | hdd: AOPEN DVD1648/AAP, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 02:38.03 | PumpkinPie | I connected 'the clapper' to my sata cable |
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| 02:38.27 | abrotman | don't tell the wife |
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| 02:40.25 | Wyzard | Is it unsafe to mount modern hard drives "upside-down" ? |
| 02:41.00 | Kevin` | Wyzard I believe it's safe to mount them any which way you want |
| 02:41.01 | abrotman | uhm .. i think that's been okay for more than 10 years |
| 02:41.08 | Kevin` | as long as you don't move them of course |
| 02:41.15 | abrotman | a good bit more than 10 years |
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| 02:41.30 | Wyzard | Years ago I had a hard drive (2.5GB Toshiba, IIRC) die soon after I started using it, and it was mounted upside-down, so I've been a bit superstitious of it since then |
| 02:41.35 | abrotman | let's ask zinx |
| 02:41.39 | Azar | Wyzard: with tnuom command? |
| 02:41.53 | Wyzard | I think it said on its label that the "allowed" ways to mount it were the usual horizontal way, or on either side |
| 02:41.58 | Kevin` | I suppose mounting sideways might cause odd forces on the voice coil, but i've seen it done a lot, and I doubt it would cause damage from that anyway |
| 02:42.10 | Wyzard | but now I have a mini-ITX case whose drive mount is upside-down |
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| 02:42.19 | abrotman | then you don't have a choice eh ? |
| 02:42.31 | Wyzard | yeah, that's why I'm asking :-) |
| 02:42.32 | Guerin | you could turn the whole case upside-down |
| 02:42.37 | zinx | abrotman: Ok. You're going to need two grenades, a sack full of sugar, and the scalp of a human girl. |
| 02:42.40 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:42.41 | Guerin | problem solved! |
| 02:42.49 | Azar | :) |
| 02:42.52 | Wyzard | I could put the case on its side, but it doesn't look as nice that way |
| 02:42.54 | abrotman | zinx: that's just sick! |
| 02:43.05 | Wyzard | I guess I'll just mount the drive upside-down and see what happens |
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| 02:43.09 | Guerin | what is this `look nice' that you value in a computer? |
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| 02:43.21 | Guerin | next thing you'll be buying blue LEDs |
| 02:43.33 | zinx | Guerin: didn't you know? cases come with those now. |
| 02:43.37 | abrotman | it probably came with a green one! |
| 02:43.40 | Wyzard | Well, it's going to be in the living room near the TV and stereo |
| 02:43.55 | Wyzard | (well... once I get around to actually buying a TV and stereo) |
| 02:43.57 | Guerin | oo. |
| 02:43.59 | maddash | is portage required on my system, or can I opt to build everything from source? |
| 02:44.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:44.08 | maddash | oops, wrong channel |
| 02:44.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: there's a circuit city just down the road! |
| 02:44.14 | Wyzard | maddash: Portage is not required at all in Debian :-P |
| 02:44.24 | pzn | will I have problems with a vanilla-etch-2.6-486 kernel running OK in -k7 processor, to exchange the processor to amd64? (I dont care about performance loss, just strange behaviour and incompatibilities) |
| 02:44.27 | Kevin` | anyone here set up hostapd for some sort of authentication using radius? |
| 02:44.34 | Wyzard | maddash: but as for Gentoo, it doesn't make much sense to go without Portage... you'd just do LFS in that case |
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| 02:45.07 | Wyzard | abrotman: I know, but when I went in there last week to try out a certain TV with my PS2 (to check how well it displays 480p signals), the display model of that TV was broken |
| 02:45.11 | Guerin | using gentoo isn't betraying debian |
| 02:45.14 | Guerin | diversity is good |
| 02:45.25 | Guerin | of course, if you stop using debian, we'll hunt you down and kill you. |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: there's another one on your way to work! |
| 02:45.27 | Kevin` | I use gentoo for some stuff |
| 02:45.46 | Guerin | can't imagine a point for gentoo |
| 02:45.51 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, I'm sure the one near me has replaced that TV by now |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:45.56 | Wyzard | I just don't consider it a high priority to buy one |
| 02:45.56 | Kevin` | it makes a nice workstation IMO |
| 02:45.59 | Guerin | used it for almost a year and all it was was a pain in the arse |
| 02:46.22 | Wyzard | and lately I've been spending a lot on computer stuff |
| 02:46.46 | markybob | Wyzard, you know, they say computer stuff is the future |
| 02:46.49 | maddash | Guerin: how? |
| 02:47.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: get a smaller tv ? |
| 02:47.05 | markybob | oh lord...where's rahul when you need a smart comment. |
| 02:47.05 | Guerin | maddash: doing anything non-trivial took hours |
| 02:47.12 | Wyzard | markybob: That's why I'm a software engineer :-) |
| 02:47.31 | maddash | Guerin: like? |
| 02:48.19 | cld2 | ok, this is strange I cant mount this cd of the debian net inst I just burned but when I go to boot from it it works. what gives. |
| 02:48.20 | Guerin | maddash: emerge <foo> ; fix broken dependency ; fix broken USE flags; fix wrong stupid compiler ; segfault ; try again ; etc |
| 02:48.20 | markybob | s/smart/smartass |
| 02:48.25 | Hunnur | yay! vlc is back |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: yeah .. maybe you should have got the tv before moving out :) |
| 02:48.34 | markybob | cld2, specify the mount type? |
| 02:48.41 | abrotman | did it run away again ? |
| 02:48.55 | cld2 | yes sir, iso9660 and it tells me all kinds of bad stuff. and wont mount |
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| 02:49.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: That wouldn't have made sense... why buy a TV while living with my parents when they already have one? |
| 02:49.20 | markybob | i'm not familiar with all kinds of bad stuff |
| 02:49.32 | abrotman | Wyzard: to have one ? .. if you want one i guess ... |
| 02:49.38 | smacnay | does anyone use the marrilat (sp?) mplayer sources? Are they solid? |
| 02:49.48 | Guerin | smacnay: everyone does, and yes. |
| 02:49.51 | abrotman | mplayer itself is in etch/sid |
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| 02:50.03 | cld2 | markybob: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrw, |
| 02:50.03 | cld2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:50.05 | Wyzard | abrotman: My main use for a TV is the PS2 and eventually a Wii... occasional movies, and I very rarely watch any broadcast shows |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | the useful bits are still at debian-multimedia.org :) |
| 02:50.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: but mythbusters is so ... realistic! |
| 02:50.26 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's not an essential item |
| 02:50.26 | Guerin | cld2: /dev/cdrw very likely isn't actually right |
| 02:50.28 | markybob | cld2, can you mount different data cds ? |
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| 02:50.46 | Guerin | cld2: try /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd or something |
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| 02:50.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: i fully understand .. i could totally do without as well |
| 02:50.53 | cld2 | Guerin: both point to /dev/scd0 |
| 02:50.58 | cld2 | markybob: yes I can with no problem |
| 02:51.09 | Wyzard | abrotman: hehe... on my ski vacation back in January, it was rainy and the snow sucked so we spent most of our time in the condo watching Mythbusters and the Food Network |
| 02:51.11 | Guerin | cld2: does /dev/cdrw too? |
| 02:51.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: the food porn lady is so nice :) |
| 02:51.27 | cld2 | Guerin: yes, both /dev/cdrom and /dev/cdrw point to the same device file |
| 02:51.38 | Guerin | cld2: ok, my bad. |
| 02:51.43 | cld2 | Guerin: so try its ide device number to mount? |
| 02:51.51 | cld2 | Guerin: no worries. thanks for the help |
| 02:51.59 | Guerin | cld2: that shouldn't yield any different results, but you can try |
| 02:52.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: the italian chick that's always wearing low cut shirts and licking her fingers ? |
| 02:52.08 | smacnay | Guerin: thanks - I have been compiling by hand for years but might try the .debs for a change. Are they kept pretty current? |
| 02:52.13 | Guerin | abrotman: you don't mean Nigella Lawson? |
| 02:52.23 | abrotman | nah .. i can't remember her name |
| 02:52.23 | Guerin | smacnay: yes, pretty good. |
| 02:52.36 | Guerin | smacnay: but as abrotman says, it's in etch/sid already |
| 02:52.37 | Wyzard | I think there are a lot of Italian women on the Food Network |
| 02:52.43 | Wyzard | but Giada is the only one I can remember offhand |
| 02:53.05 | markybob | no wonder you americans are so fat. a food network!? ;) |
| 02:53.11 | cld2 | Giada's show is totally filmed like soft core porn |
| 02:53.18 | abrotman | Wyzard: Guerin http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/giada_delaurentiis/ |
| 02:53.35 | abrotman | see .. cld2 agrees! |
| 02:53.36 | cld2 | as is that "travel" show she makes |
| 02:53.44 | smacnay_ | Guerin: just as 'mplayer' in the repository.... |
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| 02:54.19 | Guerin | smacnay_: something like that |
| 02:54.22 | Wyzard | markybob: What's scary is that it was actually an engaging way to pass the time, even to me, a geek with not much in the way of advanced culinary skills |
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| 02:54.54 | xp_prg2 | what is the command to find just the timezone in debian? |
| 02:54.59 | Guerin | the trouble is that *watching* cooking on TV does nothing for your cooking skills |
| 02:55.05 | Guerin | the only way is to *do* |
| 02:55.15 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 02:55.31 | Wyzard | I've been working on that gradually, since moving out (from my parents') back in October |
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| 02:55.55 | arpegius | how can i call all processes working on /dev/xyz? |
| 02:55.59 | cld2 | how do I see what packages are a dependancy for a given package, and then how I can clean up packages that are "unused" as in they were a dependancy for only one pkg and that pkg is now gone? thanks. |
| 02:56.06 | cld2 | arpegius: lsof? |
| 02:56.13 | stew | arpegius: fuser /dev/xyz |
| 02:56.14 | Wyzard | arpegius: man fuser |
| 02:56.14 | dondelelcaro | cld2: aptitude will do all of that. |
| 02:56.39 | abrotman | xp_prg2: cat /etc/timezone |
| 02:56.55 | arpegius | thanks all |
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| 02:57.39 | cld2 | dondelelcaro: thanks. something like --purge-unused |
| 02:57.55 | cld2 | is it possible to list pkgs in order of install time/date ? |
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| 02:58.44 | Wyzard | cld2: If you're not using aptitude already, then none of your installed packages will have the "was installed automatically to satisfy dependencies" flag, so it won't automatically remove any of them |
| 02:58.48 | dondelelcaro | cld2: ls -t /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 02:58.49 | streuner | cld2: if you using etch just look into /var/log (dpkg.log) |
| 02:59.33 | cld2 | Wyzard: so if I used apt-get im s.o.l. on the purge unused. |
| 02:59.36 | Wyzard | cld2: What you can do is launch aptitude, highlight the "installed packages" heading and type 'M' to mark *all* packages as having been installed automatically -- aptitude will mark them all for removal |
| 02:59.37 | cld2 | dondelelcaro, streuner: thanks. |
| 02:59.51 | dondelelcaro | cld2: no, you just have to mark the packages that you aren't sure that you want as automatically installed. |
| 02:59.56 | Wyzard | cld2: then go through the package list and type '+' on the packages you want to keep -- that'll clear their auto flags, and unmark them and their dependencies for removal |
| 03:00.16 | cld2 | thanks again guys. |
| 03:00.24 | Wyzard | cld2: When you're done, you'll have a proper set of aptitude's auto flags, and packages you don't need will be marked for removal |
| 03:00.56 | Wyzard | I usually do that right after installing Debian, since there aren't many packages installed yet and it's easy, but with a bit more work it can be done on an existing installation too |
| 03:02.07 | dondelelcaro | !aptitude-fu |
| 03:02.07 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
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| 03:03.38 | lokkju_wrk | is there a relatively aimple way to get gtk 2.10 (or higher) on a debian etch box? |
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| 03:05.37 | Wyzard | GTK 2.10 packages are available in experimental, but they're not really ready for use |
| 03:06.10 | Wyzard | Last I checked, the "engines" package hadn't been updated, so themes wouldn't work |
| 03:06.31 | markybob | i wish gnome in debian wasnt bastardized |
| 03:06.53 | Wyzard | After etch is released, GTK 2.10 will go into unstable and then backports.org will probably have a build for etch |
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| 03:07.35 | dondelelcaro | markybob: then jump in and help out the gnome team |
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| 03:08.22 | markybob | dondelelcaro, doesnt seem like it's their fault. like Wyzard, everything's been waiting for etch for quite a while time now. |
| 03:08.44 | markybob | i should get a medal for that grammar job |
| 03:08.48 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:09.13 | Wyzard | Well, D-I RC2 is available now and the RC bug count is dropping, so hopefully etch isn't too far off |
| 03:10.07 | markybob | Wyzard, ever time there's a debian release coming up i magically forget how delayed the last release was and hope for the best. then of course, history repeats itself. might explain why i cant keep a woman |
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| 03:12.28 | life | hello, I just installed Debian, and I am running KDE 3.2 ... but my screen resolution is 800 x 600, and there is no other higher resolution to put in the screen resolution wizard |
| 03:13.54 | smacnay_ | Which is preferred - twolame or toolame? Or just get lame? |
| 03:14.14 | life | is it because my KDE is old, and if it so how can I upgrade it? |
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| 03:17.14 | Wyzard | smacnay: I believe twolame and toolame make MP2 files, not MP3 |
| 03:17.20 | Wyzard | smacnay: The compression isn't as good |
| 03:17.32 | Wyzard | smacnay: Use lame if you want MP3 |
| 03:17.34 | fantasma | what does "---" mean in the menuconfig of a kernel? |
| 03:17.53 | Wyzard | smacnay: or use oggenc to make Vorbis files :-) |
| 03:19.52 | dondelelcaro | markybob: that's part of the problem; you can't just hope for the best... you've got to jump in and help out |
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| 03:23.38 | markybob | dondelelcaro, i actually tend to agree with what murdock stated a couple of days ago and dont think that outsiders can really do much to help the situation |
| 03:24.10 | dondelelcaro | well, it's kind of ironic that murdock is an outsider... |
| 03:26.03 | cld2 | can anyone suggest a good automounter for a headless box. no gnome-vol-manger. |
| 03:26.34 | cusco | why not? |
| 03:26.48 | DawnLight | i've inserted a cd with some files in it with filenames in hebrew, encoding unknown to me. while i know they are supposed to be hebrew all i see is ????????.* in th file manager. now i am seeing hebrew iso-8859-8 alright in the file manager. my first question is if it is true what i assume, that i can only view filenames or anything else for that matter using one encoding at a time because of the inability to automatically detect th |
| 03:27.19 | cld2 | cusco: if thats to me, because gnome is not installed, and I dont want to install it or gtk just for the gnome-vol-manager |
| 03:27.40 | SillyG | cld2: automount |
| 03:27.48 | cusco | DawnLight: yes you can only see filenames of one encoding at a time |
| 03:27.52 | SillyG | when you traverse the directory tree |
| 03:27.54 | SillyG | it will automount |
| 03:27.57 | SillyG | :) |
| 03:28.09 | cusco | you chang the encoding and then see the files of those |
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| 03:28.12 | cld2 | SillyG: thanks. seems simple enough. |
| 03:28.21 | cusco | else you might have ??? in the name |
| 03:28.53 | SillyG | cld2: i use it at work, its pretty cool :) |
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| 03:30.18 | cld2 | SillyG: so its like solaris automount. how do you deal with a usb drive you plugin? cd /mnt/usb? |
| 03:30.32 | SillyG | yeah |
| 03:30.38 | cld2 | thanks much. |
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| 03:32.02 | SillyG | cld2: also....gnome uses hal |
| 03:32.03 | SillyG | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HAL |
| 03:32.08 | DawnLight | well, cusco, from my experience with windows for years of using hebrew, i have never had to deal with filename encodings and neither have anyone that i know of, so i am assuming from this that there is one common encoding that is widely used for hebrew filenames. will that be logical? |
| 03:32.38 | SillyG | I dont know much about hal automount, but im sure thats also an option |
| 03:33.29 | DawnLight | i might also mention that i've never know anyone that uses any other language other then hebrew and english on their computer, cusco |
| 03:34.18 | smacnay_ | What is the package name for a latex install? I see no package as just 'latex'. |
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| 03:35.43 | smacnay_ | ah, texlive-latex-base and others |
| 03:36.26 | smacnay_ | Is there a howto on using aa fonts or tt fonts in Iceweasel? |
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| 03:39.40 | cld2 | SillyG: thanks. |
| 03:39.42 | cusco | DawnLight: |
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| 03:41.41 | cusco | why are you mentioning windows that is the dark path :P... ok now serious.. you have an option to set your encoding, (as: root dpkg-reconfigure locales) I dunno about hewbrew but I use iso-8859-1 |
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| 03:42.08 | rixxon | any way to run commands automatically upon boot as a nonroot user? |
| 03:43.02 | eldowan | I acidentaly ghosted an OS disc over a data disc. The data is now inaccessible. Is there any feasable way of undoing the ghosting and recovering the information? |
| 03:43.22 | peterS | rixxon: yeah, use a @reboot cron entry. 'man 5 crontab', search for reboot |
| 03:43.47 | peterS | rixxon: really @reboot means "when cron starts or restarts", which could be more often than once per boot, but it's close enough for most people |
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| 03:44.08 | eldowan | The OS is Win '98, if that helps any. Thanks for any help... |
| 03:44.09 | DawnLight | cusko, but if i change locales as root it doesn't change them for any user and "export" lasts only till reboot so how do i change locales for users permanently? |
| 03:44.13 | cusco | rixxon: crontab |
| 03:44.16 | DawnLight | cusco, but if i change locales as root it doesn't change them for any user and "export" lasts only till reboot so how do i change locales for users permanently? |
| 03:44.27 | rixxon | thanks |
| 03:44.40 | TraceGreen | Hello, I have a Atheros Communications wireless card on my pc, how can i drive it? |
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| 03:45.06 | cusco | DawnLight: if you reconfigure the package locales they will be changed for all users permanently, also make sure to set your preferd locale |
| 03:45.22 | cusco | DawnLight: maybe you will only see it happen afte a reboot, im not sure |
| 03:45.34 | DawnLight | okay brb cusco |
| 03:45.40 | cusco | rixxon: you can use a @reboot entry in crontab |
| 03:45.54 | rixxon | so, @reboot /usr/bin/irssi ? |
| 03:46.04 | cusco | sure, thats how I use mine |
| 03:46.06 | peterS | DawnLight: I don't know whether plain ISO-9660 format even supports Hebrew characters at all. but the CD is probably Joliet, in which case it uses Unicode (UTF-16LE in particular). try the 'utf8' mount option when mounting your CD. as in: mount -o utf8 -r /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
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| 03:46.14 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i compiled a simple g++ program which had just main () { return 0; }. g++ test.c -o test ; ./test gave permission denied error which is really weird. |
| 03:46.16 | rixxon | or well i want it on screen but still. :) |
| 03:46.17 | rixxon | thanks |
| 03:46.21 | thelostbutler | would appreciate some help on this |
| 03:46.24 | cusco | actually I have @reboot screen -dms irssi -c freenode |
| 03:46.27 | cusco | :P |
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| 03:48.00 | njkt | anyone know why fsck would halt in the middle of checking on boot? (HP dv6119us, amd64, debian etch) |
| 03:48.16 | thelostbutler | njkt: how do you know it is halted ? |
| 03:48.25 | rixxon | cusco: it sets $PATH? |
| 03:48.30 | thelostbutler | does the activity on the drive stop completely ? |
| 03:48.33 | njkt | thelostbutler: yes |
| 03:48.43 | njkt | and i can no long ctrl + c escape |
| 03:48.47 | thelostbutler | are you able to suspend the prcocess ? |
| 03:49.09 | cusco | rixxon: yes |
| 03:49.13 | rixxon | ah |
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| 03:50.49 | njkt | thelostbutler: it happens while booting, i get the "has been mounted 35 times, forcing fsck" message and it gets up to around 16-30% and then everything halts |
| 03:51.07 | rixxon | cusco: whats up with -dms? |
| 03:51.27 | peterS | DawnLight: if you're using UTF-8 on your system now, you should probably add the utf8 flag to /etc/fstab, in the 4th field of the line that starts with "/dev/cdrom". then your CDs will probably always be readable. |
| 03:51.46 | markybob | njkt, i've had it happen on the same laptop. no idea what causes it. sometimes it takes a couple of reboots for fsck to make it through. doesnt make any sense. |
| 03:52.09 | cusco | screen session de attached, should be -dmS |
| 03:52.14 | thelostbutler | njkt: dunno |
| 03:52.14 | njkt | markybob: alrighty, i'll keep trying |
| 03:52.15 | cusco | screen -h |
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| 03:53.03 | rixxon | cusco: oh, you did mean -dmS, i see then :) |
| 03:53.46 | paroneayea | does anyone have any alternative to "make install" for things compiled from source? |
| 03:54.07 | cusco | paroneayea: what do you mean? |
| 03:54.09 | zinx | look for a package first. |
| 03:54.27 | peterS | paroneayea: that's a pretty vague question. every software package is different, they often have completely custom installation procedures. this is one reason we have package maintainers who actually _know_ the software they are packaging. |
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| 03:55.07 | paroneayea | alright, but what I mean is just the equivalent of running make install but having an easy way to revert those changes when I no longer want it |
| 03:55.19 | peterS | paroneayea: but if you want a wrapper around make install that creates a very stupid but working package, try checkinstall |
| 03:55.20 | markybob | paroneayea checkinstall ? |
| 03:55.28 | paroneayea | ok, will look at that |
| 03:55.28 | paroneayea | thanks |
| 03:55.59 | DawnLight | peterS, i am not using UTF-8. i am using iso-8859-8 but i am starting to suspect that hebrew filenames are in cp1255 and that's not available for me to choose in dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 03:56.32 | markybob | paroneayea, http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/21/1546215 |
| 03:57.27 | cusco | paroneayea: if you're lucky, the Makefile has a uninstall option |
| 03:57.27 | pudo | hey all. i'm trying to set up postfix with sasl2 with authdaemon. which packages are needed for sasl to support authdaemon?? |
| 03:57.35 | peterS | DawnLight: oh, I thought I remembered you switching to utf-8 the other day. anyway ... hmmm ... I was going to suggest "iocharset=iso8859-8" but it seems that is not an option for that. |
| 03:57.36 | cusco | which much of the software arround has today: make uninstall |
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| 03:58.44 | peterS | DawnLight: I wonder why the linux kernel bothers to support cp862 and cp1255 but not iso8859-8.... |
| 03:58.44 | life | hello, I just installed Debian, and I am running KDE 3.2 ... but my screen resolution is 800 x 600, and there is no other higher resolution to put in the screen resolution wizard |
| 03:59.28 | DawnLight | peterS yes i did but then i understood that there's probebly one filename encoding that is widely used in hebrew filenames and now i figure that it's not utf8 or iso-8859-8 because i just inserted a cd while using iso-8859-8 and i see ?????.* |
| 03:59.42 | njkt | markybob: you're right.. takes a couple times... maybe the hardware is just too new |
| 04:00.24 | markybob | njkt, it's the damnest thing. *shrug* :) |
| 04:00.29 | peterS | DawnLight: what's on the CD isn't really the point, the CD uses Unicode and that can be translated into any character set that has the appropriate characters in it - be it utf-8 or iso-8859-8 or cp1255. the point is that when the kernel mounts the CD, it needs a mapping table, and iso8859-8 seems not to exist in the kernel. |
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| 04:00.37 | njkt | well, i can hope for a software upgrade at least heh |
| 04:01.10 | DawnLight | life, you can edit a file manually and add a bigger resolution but i found that after i installed my nvidia driver i had all the resolutions available |
| 04:02.14 | DawnLight | oh, nice to know that peterS... so shall i do what you were saying with that flag? |
| 04:02.54 | peterS | DawnLight: well, I would have suggested iocharset=iso8859-8, but since that won't work, you might try iocharset=cp1255 which is apparently similar |
| 04:03.11 | life | DawnLight, do I install my driver with the base-config command? |
| 04:04.14 | peterS | DawnLight: if I remember correctly from the other day, you were going to use UTF-8. what happened to that? |
| 04:04.14 | life | I mean, using the command base-config to enter into the configuration wizard |
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| 04:04.14 | DawnLight | did you check the manufacturer's website for a linux driver? |
| 04:04.14 | Dewi | in debian, apache normally reads/writes files as if it was user 'www-data'. How would I adjust the umask it uses? |
| 04:04.15 | Dewi | Obviously 'www-data' has no home directory or login/profile files. If it had them, would apache read them? |
| 04:04.19 | life | mh, no |
| 04:04.27 | life | I have nvidia as well |
| 04:05.20 | life | but I think I saw the option for a graphics driver when I configured Debian for the first time |
| 04:05.31 | DawnLight | nvidia has two versions of drivers, a current one and a legacy one like i use. |
| 04:06.15 | life | ah, okayz |
| 04:06.42 | DawnLight | the thing is with nvidia, life, is that their software license does't allow it to be included with GNU software or something like that |
| 04:07.41 | peterS | I tried to be helpful, but I do have errands to run. if you ever feel like actually answering my questions, DawnLight, maybe I'll be back in an hour or two. |
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| 04:08.38 | DawnLight | so you'll need to go to their site and do it. there is a linux driver link there above the product selection list, life. check if yours is new or legacy! |
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| 04:09.11 | DawnLight | okay peterS, thanks i gather ill be here |
| 04:09.58 | life | I see, thanks a lot. Another question would be, what is the command to enter the configuration wizard of Debian.. the one you see when you start up Debian for the first time |
| 04:10.10 | pudo | does anyone here run sasl with authdaemon? |
| 04:10.29 | Dewi | is there any other way to set a user's default umask without using ~/.bash* and ~/.login etc? |
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| 04:11.01 | life | I thought it was base-config, but it says that the command is not valid |
| 04:11.12 | DawnLight | life, that's dpkg-reconfigure base-config if i remember correctly and dpkg-reconfiger needs root |
| 04:11.36 | life | great, thanks a lot DawnLight :) |
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| 04:11.55 | DawnLight | come back soon |
| 04:18.30 | DawnLight | the system doesn't want to give me my cd back :) help! |
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| 04:18.48 | Kronuz | hello |
| 04:18.59 | DawnLight | hello Kronuz |
| 04:19.06 | markybob | DawnLight, eject /dev/hdd or whatever device it is |
| 04:19.45 | Kronuz | hey, I was trying to install Debian in my box, but I have a RAID0 volume... a FakeRAID actually. |
| 04:19.49 | DawnLight | markybob, with gnome it was all automatic the cdrom operation, can it be so with kde too? |
| 04:20.22 | Kronuz | Anyway, how should I install the drivers to get it going so that I can use the RAID volume to install Debian there |
| 04:20.24 | markybob | DawnLight, i have no idea. havent tried kde since 2.0 or something |
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| 04:20.49 | markybob | DawnLight, /j #debian-kde |
| 04:20.59 | DawnLight | oh nice |
| 04:21.55 | Kronuz | I think I should be using dmraid, but I'm not sure how to load it during the installation |
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| 04:22.36 | maddash | what does debian have to do with kde? |
| 04:23.22 | Vutral | apt-get install kde |
| 04:23.38 | Vutral | apt-get uninstall question |
| 04:24.31 | maddash | aptitude purge bullshit/confusion |
| 04:24.50 | simonrvn | ninstall doesn't exist |
| 04:25.34 | Kronuz | I'm beginning to think installing Debian in my RAID won't be easy :( |
| 04:27.32 | DawnLight | no talking going on there markybob |
| 04:27.53 | markybob | DawnLight, write your congressman |
| 04:28.07 | markybob | DawnLight, not sure what i can do about that |
| 04:28.37 | smacnay_ | how does one update changes to a system? updatedb and...? |
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| 04:28.47 | markybob | DawnLight, you could try the official debian irc server |
| 04:28.51 | markybob | DawnLight, osfn |
| 04:29.05 | DawnLight | is there one |
| 04:29.18 | DawnLight | givvy |
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| 04:29.28 | markybob | irc.debian.org |
| 04:29.46 | markybob | used to point to freenode but no longer |
| 04:29.50 | amphi | DawnLight: irc.oftc.net - it's quiet now ;) |
| 04:30.08 | DawnLight | oftc? |
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| 04:30.48 | kjxxxx | I gave up trying to compile the card and went out and bought another card only to find my system not reading the card either |
| 04:31.04 | markybob | DawnLight, just use irc.debian.org. keeps the confusion away. i dont remember |
| 04:31.27 | amphi | !oftc |
| 04:31.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 04:32.36 | DawnLight | <fat sharing> |
| 04:32.37 | kjxxxx | how do I do apt get for a network card bcm43xx |
| 04:33.06 | DawnLight | kjxxxx use aptitude it's much more fun |
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| 04:33.19 | Kronuz | hey, can I install packages during the debian install? |
| 04:33.26 | kjxxxx | it supposed to work for my belking Belkin F5D7011 wireless network card |
| 04:33.42 | Kronuz | I need to "install" that dmraid kernel module and load it during the installation (to make my FakeRAID work) |
| 04:33.46 | DawnLight | belking belkin how original |
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| 04:34.02 | DawnLight | it would be like suzuki suzuk |
| 04:34.06 | kjxxxx | fun! dawnLight |
| 04:34.11 | kjxxxx | I am running DSL |
| 04:34.34 | amphi | kjxxxx: just modprobe it if you're on etch |
| 04:34.45 | kjxxxx | what is aptitude? |
| 04:34.56 | kjxxxx | I am new to this thing |
| 04:34.59 | DawnLight | how much does that do dsl? |
| 04:35.00 | kjxxxx | what is etch |
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| 04:35.09 | amphi | kjxxxx: why are you asking about dsl in here? |
| 04:35.57 | kjxxxx | because I find some of the most knowledgeable people on the debian board |
| 04:36.09 | kjxxxx | plus apt-get is a debian feature |
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| 04:36.36 | amphi | kjxxxx: dsl is not debian |
| 04:37.02 | kjxxxx | dude did you see my brown nosing |
| 04:37.08 | kjxxxx | then the debia feature |
| 04:37.26 | kjxxxx | I thought the kiss up and brown nosing was good |
| 04:37.27 | amphi | kjxxxx: for instance, I know the bcm43xx module is in etch, but not in sarge - no idea about dsl |
| 04:37.45 | amphi | it wasn't |
| 04:37.46 | kjxxxx | what command would you use |
| 04:38.01 | amphi | for what? |
| 04:38.11 | maddash | rm -rf / |
| 04:38.18 | Guerin | i would use /quit in this case |
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| 04:39.02 | kjxxxx | amphi. To find the bmc43xx |
| 04:39.12 | lokkju_wrk | maddash, no, no - su root -c rm -rf / |
| 04:39.45 | maddash | lokkju_wrk: you forgot the quotes. I think. and isn't "su" enough? |
| 04:39.56 | amphi | kjxxxx: what do you mean, find? I did modprobe -l | grep bcm to see if the module was present |
| 04:40.08 | lokkju_wrk | maddash, actually, yeah, it is |
| 04:40.22 | lokkju_wrk | as for the quotes, I don't actually want someone doing it.... |
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| 04:41.42 | kjxxxx | wow. I did that command and its there in my 2.4.26 kernel too |
| 04:42.32 | pudo | man, this thing sucks. does no one here use postfix as mta? |
| 04:44.08 | kjxxxx | amphi: you think you might be able to help me get this thing to work with my card |
| 04:44.22 | amphi | kjxxxx: no |
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| 04:44.28 | AussieHatter | what is the tmpfs that shows in df on etch ? |
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| 04:44.39 | AussieHatter | something to do with udev ? |
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| 04:44.59 | amphi | kjxxxx: I don't have such hw, nor do I run a 2, |
| 04:45.03 | amphi | er, 2.4 kernel |
| 04:45.13 | AussieHatter | hmmm, well its on sarge too, i thought it wasnt |
| 04:45.34 | kjxxxx | thanks dude. Appreciate your help with the command |
| 04:45.38 | maddash | amphi: does your fingerprint reader work? |
| 04:46.15 | amphi | maddash: I don't have one of the fool things |
| 04:47.04 | maddash | amphi: odd response. what model are you using? |
| 04:47.12 | amphi | t42 |
| 04:47.20 | maddash | what model #? |
| 04:47.33 | amphi | wtf would I want a fingerprint scanner? |
| 04:47.48 | amphi | I forget |
| 04:47.50 | maddash | t42's have fingerprint readers |
| 04:48.01 | amphi | it's an option |
| 04:48.30 | amphi | that I forwent |
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| 04:48.51 | amphi | thinkwiki should have some info about it |
| 04:49.37 | maddash | not pertaining to what I'm looking for |
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| 04:50.12 | zu22 | hi am running testing, wanted to install openbox but it is saying fvwm95 will be removed if i install it and i see no other fvwm95 package listed in "The following NEW packages will be installed" or "The following packages will be upgraded." is there a way i can install openbox while keeping fvwm95? i don't understand why it would force me to delete one wm just to install another ugh! |
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| 04:52.57 | zu22 | ? |
| 04:53.47 | maddash | zu22: just reinstall fvwm95 if you don't want openbox |
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| 04:56.14 | zu22 | maddash: i want openbox AND fvwm95 installed at the same time, why can't i do that in testing? |
| 04:56.44 | maddash | zu22: no clue. it should work, in theory. |
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| 04:56.51 | zu22 | yeah |
| 04:57.37 | maddash | fvwm95 doesn't even exist |
| 04:57.37 | maddash | !find fvwm95 |
| 04:57.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fvwm95' (3): (/usr/lib/cruft/filters/fvwm95) in admin/cruft ;; (/usr/share/doc/menu/examples/fvwm95) in admin/menu ;; (/usr/share/doc/wm-icons/examples/fvwm95rc-wm-icons) in misc/wm-icons. |
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| 04:58.24 | zu22 | :O |
| 04:59.22 | zu22 | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libreadline5 (>= 5.1), libx11-6, libxext6, libxpm4 |
| 04:59.41 | maddash | !find fvwm |
| 04:59.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fvwm' (4 of 10): (/usr/lib/cruft/filters/fvwm95) in admin/cruft ;; (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/bilder/x11/fvwm.png) in non-free/doc/dahb-html ;; (/usr/share/doc/menu/examples/{fvwm|fvwm2|fvwm95|...}) in admin/menu ;; (/usr/bin/fvwm1, /etc/menu-methods/fvwm1, /etc/X11/fvwm/system.fvwmrc-menu) in x11/fvwm1. |
| 05:03.33 | DawnLight | automount doesn't work for me :( using KDE i seem to have the necessary packages installed according to what i was told. perhaps i should question the validity of what i was told |
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| 05:04.04 | Guerin | DawnLight: what branch? |
| 05:05.28 | DawnLight | i really don't know what branch is Guerin |
| 05:05.43 | maddash | etch? |
| 05:06.08 | Guerin | DawnLight: in that case, I'm not surprised you can't get $foo working. |
| 05:06.16 | DawnLight | yes, etch-a-sketch |
| 05:06.33 | Guerin | well, kde's automounting works on my wife's etch box |
| 05:06.33 | DawnLight | me neither Guerin. not surprised at all |
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| 05:06.50 | Guerin | she has kde-core installed and not much else |
| 05:07.05 | Guerin | or kdebase or whatever the minimal package is called |
| 05:07.29 | maddash | !worksforme |
| 05:07.45 | maddash | !wfm |
| 05:07.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
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| 05:08.41 | zu22 | Guerin: do you know why fvwm95 and openbox can't both be installed at same time in testing? i have fvwm95 and apt is telling me it will be removed if i instal openbox :( |
| 05:08.58 | maddash | how the fuck do you have fvwm95? |
| 05:09.04 | Guerin | zu22: aptitude show shoudl tell you what the conflict is |
| 05:09.11 | zu22 | maddash: i just installed it , works fine |
| 05:09.42 | zu22 | Guerin: ok if i find the conflict is there way i can force it to install openbox without removing fvwm95? |
| 05:09.57 | Guerin | zu22: maybe. |
| 05:10.09 | kryptoz | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 05:10.19 | Guerin | kryptoz: fuck off, twat |
| 05:10.20 | zu22 | maddash: in testing it is package -> fvwm95 2.0.43ba-23+b1 |
| 05:10.35 | maddash | !tell kryptoz about spam |
| 05:11.05 | zu22 | Guerin: ok i can always install open box via /usr/local/src heh and Debian won't be aware of it |
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| 05:11.29 | zu22 | hark: ugh you reminded me how much i loathe IPv6 style addresses :) |
| 05:11.36 | maddash | zu22: no it's not, because I'm running testing and it can't find fvwm95 |
| 05:12.28 | zu22 | maddash: well i am running testing (have been for 2 years) and have had fvwm95 installed that whole time. netrek:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:12.32 | zu22 | 4.0 |
| 05:12.38 | zu22 | netrek:~# dpkg -l|grep fvwm95 |
| 05:12.46 | zu22 | ii fvwm95 2.0.43ba-23+b1 Win95 lookalike Window Manager for X |
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| 05:13.39 | hark | heh, 4.3 billion addresses ought to be enough for anybody |
| 05:13.41 | zu22 | and i use debian.org mirrors in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:14.02 | zu22 | hark: lol 4.3 billion addresses you can't easily memorize or work with easily :) |
| 05:14.50 | zu22 | maddash: so i don't know what sources you are using but as you can see it is in there, or at least it used to be, i haven't done dist-upgrade in a while just regular upgrades :) |
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| 05:17.18 | hark | fvwm95 has been removed from testing and unstable |
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| 05:18.14 | maddash | hark: how do you know that? |
| 05:18.24 | zu22 | hark: as i said i haven't done a dist-upgrade in a long time :) |
| 05:18.43 | zu22 | hark: and why was it removed (assuming it was)? |
| 05:19.34 | hark | http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fvwm95/news/20061118T233913Z.html |
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| 05:20.12 | hark | http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fvwm95/news/20070103T071608Z.html |
| 05:21.12 | zu22 | haha |
| 05:21.21 | zu22 | so they removed the whole package to 'fix' teh bug |
| 05:21.23 | zu22 | what the fuck? |
| 05:21.25 | zu22 | my God |
| 05:21.27 | zu22 | that is dumb |
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| 05:21.40 | zu22 | and the bug was "fvwm95 has nothing at start" that isn't a very descriptive bug report! sheesh |
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| 05:21.48 | zu22 | that is bullshit |
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| 05:22.31 | alex__ | in a minimal 3.1 install there is no /etc/init.d/iptables script. Which package contains this script? |
| 05:22.41 | zu22 | is that the norm for debian q&a process? shudder |
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| 05:23.32 | litage | i found an old IBM Thinkpad 380ED (~133MHz, 79MB RAM) in a dumpster and want to install Debian on it. would Etch supports its old hardware? |
| 05:23.35 | zu22 | some user probably had a broken install of the package, my Start button in fvwm95 has plenty in it |
| 05:23.50 | zu22 | that is no reason to remove the package from 2 releases |
| 05:24.08 | hark | it is also no longer maintained upstream afaik |
| 05:24.26 | zu22 | hark: something i can volunteer to do cool :) |
| 05:24.32 | zu22 | fvwm95 will return muhaha |
| 05:24.33 | hark | litage: likely |
| 05:25.06 | zu22 | litage: some ppl throw out good functioning equipment yeah |
| 05:25.22 | zu22 | i found a sparc ipx in the trash once heh |
| 05:25.34 | damog | -l! |
| 05:25.44 | zu22 | and several crts and serial modems and ethernet cards |
| 05:25.53 | zu22 | and a working printer |
| 05:25.55 | litage | zu22: yeah i know. it's fun to find the stuff =) |
| 05:26.05 | zu22 | litage: :) |
| 05:26.25 | litage | zu22: there were like 6 CRTs in the dumpster with this laptop. i just didn't want them cuz they were all 15" or 17" |
| 05:26.36 | peterS | litage: umm. why are you asking rather than just trying it? I expect it would work though |
| 05:26.40 | zu22 | litage: in more affluent areas people = rich && dumb so you can find some mind boggling stuff in the trash :) |
| 05:26.55 | zu22 | litage: heh |
| 05:27.15 | peterS | litage: might run into problems with bootstrapping, as a laptop that old might not boot a CD. in which case you'd have to make floppies |
| 05:27.49 | zu22 | first try DSL on it maybe |
| 05:28.00 | litage | peterS: yeah, i have yet to take it home and check the BIOS to see if it'll boot from the CD-ROM |
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| 05:29.58 | predder | I'm trying to install debian etch on my G4 ibook, should I make /boot of type "Newworld boot partition" or will it work with ext3? |
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| 05:31.07 | Guerin | !test |
| 05:31.08 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 05:31.28 | maddash | ... |
| 05:31.40 | maddash | lol @ guerin |
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| 05:31.46 | peterS | predder: I believe the newworld boot partition isn't an actual filesystem. |
| 05:32.03 | peterS | Guerin: wow, dpkg was right, your test really did fail |
| 05:32.26 | Guerin | mm, i never got it |
| 05:32.46 | Guerin | teach me for fucking with pf.conf without first RTFM |
| 05:32.57 | peterS | the bot responded immediately after you said !test |
| 05:33.21 | Guerin | as far as my client was concerned, it was as dead as a doornail |
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| 05:33.33 | Kronuz | hey, in etch RC2, what kernel is it using? |
| 05:33.42 | Guerin | Kronuz: 2.6.18 |
| 05:34.00 | Kronuz | Guerin, the vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-generic? |
| 05:34.05 | Kronuz | (in i386) |
| 05:34.05 | zu22 | Guerin: how did you do that? |
| 05:34.18 | Guerin | Kronuz: ? |
| 05:34.30 | Guerin | Kronuz: that's nothing resembling a debian kernel name |
| 05:34.42 | Kronuz | I need to know in menu.lst what kernel file it's supposed to have |
| 05:34.43 | Guerin | zu22: messin' with pf.conf |
| 05:34.49 | zu22 | Guerin: oh |
| 05:35.02 | maddash | !test |
| 05:35.03 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 05:35.13 | Kronuz | or maybe vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-486 ? |
| 05:35.14 | zu22 | !test |
| 05:35.14 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 05:35.31 | Guerin | Kronuz: vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686 is what I have on sid; etch should be the same |
| 05:35.39 | Kronuz | I see |
| 05:35.49 | Kronuz | Guerin, and it's a i386 install, right? |
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| 05:36.11 | Guerin | Kronuz: etch installer asks you to choose a kernel, so pick the one you chose |
| 05:37.03 | Kronuz | ok |
| 05:37.18 | Kronuz | I'll be back later |
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| 05:37.18 | Kronuz | thank Guerin |
| 05:37.54 | maddash | Guerin: netinst == etch installer,? |
| 05:38.06 | Guerin | maddash: 1 |
| 05:38.17 | linuxneewbee | the links to my cdrom drives are no longer in /dev what do i do. ? |
| 05:39.16 | DawnLight | someone help poor linuxneewbee |
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| 05:40.12 | Guerin | linuxneewbee: use /dev/hd[cd] or whatever instead? |
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| 05:40.46 | maddash | Guerin: i've never had netinst ask me to choose a kernel |
| 05:40.56 | bbelt16ag | hi |
| 05:41.00 | Guerin | then you've never run it to the end |
| 05:42.07 | maddash | the "end" == when grub finishes installing? |
| 05:42.19 | bbelt16ag | i got a pci X card gefore 5600? |
| 05:42.19 | linuxneewbee | no such file |
| 05:42.35 | bbelt16ag | and its saying it cant find the output drivers when i do a dpkg -configure.. |
| 05:42.37 | linuxneewbee | in the dmesg they are as follows hda: ST320420A, ATA DISK drive |
| 05:42.38 | linuxneewbee | hdb: WDC WD800JB-00JJA0, ATA DISK drive |
| 05:43.12 | linuxneewbee | but there is no hda,hdb devices in /dev |
| 05:43.35 | bbelt16ag | it says it can find the it say nvidia corporation unkown chipset? |
| 05:43.48 | bbelt16ag | does this mean i cant install it with the nv driver? |
| 05:43.53 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.28 | Guerin | bbelt16ag: nv works on that card. |
| 05:44.52 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 05:44.56 | bbelt16ag | so waht am i doing wrong? |
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| 05:45.07 | Guerin | bbelt16ag: no pcix driver? |
| 05:45.08 | bbelt16ag | it says the output drivers cant be found? |
| 05:45.12 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 05:45.25 | bbelt16ag | how do i get them this is for 64 bit arch |
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| 05:47.49 | linuxneewbee | woops these where my drives hdc: ATAPI DVD DUAL 8X4X12, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 05:47.54 | linuxneewbee | hdd: AOPEN DVD1648/AAP, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
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| 05:48.18 | linuxneewbee | how can i make new links to them? |
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| 05:49.05 | f- | hi. what file system type do I use to mount my motorola mobile memory card? |
| 05:49.39 | ApEtc | f-: Flash card? |
| 05:49.59 | ApEtc | f-: Oftentimes just FAT32. |
| 05:50.07 | f- | ApEtc: didn't work as that |
| 05:50.10 | DawnLight | stuff like that should be made automatic imho (windows style) |
| 05:50.17 | f- | i tried -t msdosfs .. |
| 05:50.32 | DawnLight | what about fat |
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| 05:50.53 | f- | mount_msdosfs: /dev/da1: Invalid argument |
| 05:50.54 | Guerin | vfat |
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| 05:50.57 | aeronadix | hi, I want to turn off dhclient and xdm on startup? |
| 05:51.08 | Guerin | well, duh |
| 05:51.14 | Guerin | /dev/da1 isn't a device |
| 05:51.34 | Guerin | aeronadix: /msg dpkg services |
| 05:51.36 | f- | Guerin: i'm on freebsd |
| 05:51.41 | ApEtc | DawnLight: With things like hotplug and some simple scripts you can do it. There is probably a ready to go solution somewhere on Google. |
| 05:51.48 | Guerin | f-: so why the fuck are you asking us? |
| 05:52.05 | DawnLight | can i put whichever encoding i want in /etc/fstab in the cdrom flag? |
| 05:52.07 | ApEtc | f-: I would try #freebsd |
| 05:52.15 | aeronadix | whats the file manager of choice for blackbox? |
| 05:52.21 | Guerin | aeronadix: sh |
| 05:52.30 | Guerin | or mc if you're feeling like bloat |
| 05:52.52 | aeronadix | Guerin, Thanks |
| 05:56.29 | DawnLight | ApEtc: so why not in the distro? should be considered of top importance. it's lack of automation that keeps people in windows |
| 05:57.43 | DawnLight | i take it completely or granted that if i stick a camera in i'll see the pictures without touching anything |
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| 05:58.26 | maddash | !sh |
| 05:58.26 | dpkg | [sh] the POSIX shell, or the old System V (and earlier) Bourne shell, or usually a symbolic link to /bin/bash on a GNU/Linux system |
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| 05:59.03 | DawnLight | can i put whichever encoding i want in /etc/fstab in the cdrom flag? |
| 05:59.39 | Snuggles2000 | Hmm tricky thing. |
| 06:00.06 | Guerin | DawnLight: no |
| 06:00.18 | Snuggles2000 | It sounds like it would be a pre-defined set of values o.O |
| 06:00.23 | Guerin | DawnLight: the reason it doesn't work automatically is because not all cameras are the same |
| 06:00.56 | Guerin | DawnLight: and because plenty of people don't want it to work automatically |
| 06:00.57 | DawnLight | on windows they somehow are, aren't they? |
| 06:01.01 | Snuggles2000 | Yeh it isn't windows though. |
| 06:01.22 | Guerin | DawnLight: yes, because 1. camera manufacturers provide spec and drivers to microsoft and 2. camera manufacturers provide software for their non-standard cameras |
| 06:01.24 | Snuggles2000 | Even in Windows though, the drivers the OS has to call are different. |
| 06:01.35 | Guerin | many cameras *will* work automatically like you want. |
| 06:01.48 | dondelelcaro | those that won't, gphoto2 often supports |
| 06:01.50 | DawnLight | okay, perhaps not automatically popped up on the middle of the screen but surely automatically mounted |
| 06:01.58 | Guerin | often, but not always |
| 06:02.14 | Snuggles2000 | Hmm..some sort of a PnP routine? |
| 06:02.25 | Guerin | and last I saw gphoto2 didn't have a file-manager-like interface |
| 06:02.27 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: if you're using an automounter, yes, it will automount. |
| 06:02.28 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: no. |
| 06:02.32 | DawnLight | so Guerin, how will i be able to define the encoding of the filenames in the cd?? |
| 06:02.40 | dondelelcaro | (assuming it can be mounted at all) |
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| 06:03.01 | aeronadix | when I run rcconf I can't find dhlient there, but it does start during boot up |
| 06:03.04 | Guerin | DawnLight: man mount; should tell you\ |
| 06:03.16 | DawnLight | nice to see how this subject stirrs everyone up like attempting to defend linux |
| 06:03.31 | kjxxxx | lol |
| 06:03.48 | Snuggles2000 | lol |
| 06:04.05 | DawnLight | i mean, i was a bit offensive of it... |
| 06:04.13 | DawnLight | but it deserved it |
| 06:04.20 | Snuggles2000 | I'm just glad this isn't efnet's #linux channel.. |
| 06:04.36 | DawnLight | i wouldn't have survived? |
| 06:04.42 | Guerin | DawnLight: i'm not trying to defend it - i don't care a whit if debian is usable to people who only want to use windows |
| 06:04.45 | Snuggles2000 | Nobody does really. |
| 06:04.51 | kjxxxx | you been offensive all evening |
| 06:04.54 | kjxxxx | cut it out |
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| 06:05.09 | DawnLight | i was? |
| 06:05.14 | Snuggles2000 | Efnet's #linux channel is known for housing emo linux geeks, no offense to anyone here. More or less, you very rarely get an answer in there. |
| 06:05.32 | cob | this channel was like that |
| 06:05.35 | cob | years ago |
| 06:05.38 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:05.41 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: if you want something to automount, just install gnome-volume-manager or similar. Many of us don't use it because we don't like it |
| 06:05.45 | Guerin | back in the dark ages, perhaps |
| 06:05.48 | Snuggles2000 | lol |
| 06:05.55 | cob | if by dark ages you mean 1999 |
| 06:06.06 | Guerin | cob: it was last century! |
| 06:06.13 | cob | true... |
| 06:06.18 | kjxxxx | so dawn are you going to help me set up my network card? |
| 06:06.19 | DawnLight | last millenia |
| 06:06.23 | Guerin | last millennium even! |
| 06:06.41 | dondelelcaro | hrm... I was here in 1999 and I don't remember it being like that |
| 06:06.45 | Guerin | kjxxxx: if you need help setting up a network card, you probably need to give up. |
| 06:06.45 | cob | I remember getting a lot of "rtfm" answers as a noob. |
| 06:06.50 | maddash | is it possible to configure my wireless to ad-hoc mode and route all inbound traffic from wlan (eth1) out the ethernet jack (eth0)? |
| 06:06.53 | DawnLight | kjxxxx, im more new to linux then you perhaps |
| 06:06.56 | Guerin | cob: like today, then? |
| 06:06.59 | cob | and then ridicule if the manual was not adequately fucking read |
| 06:07.04 | Snuggles2000 | I'm just glad I found a good linux community here...man. |
| 06:07.15 | Guerin | !aww |
| 06:07.15 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 06:07.24 | Snuggles2000 | rtfm and suicide were daily occurences in efnet's chan, I suppose. |
| 06:07.24 | cob | !sex |
| 06:07.25 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 06:07.32 | Snuggles2000 | ^_^ Yeah. |
| 06:07.36 | maddash | LOL |
| 06:08.08 | DawnLight | my god i will not become like this :o |
| 06:08.13 | maddash | LOL @dpkg |
| 06:08.17 | Snuggles2000 | LOL |
| 06:08.19 | maddash | whoever wrote that factoid... |
| 06:08.23 | Guerin | !lol |
| 06:08.24 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:08.25 | Snuggles2000 | save your soul now DawnLight xD |
| 06:08.43 | Snuggles2000 | Linux sex jokes...man that's the geekiest thing I've ever read. |
| 06:08.52 | maddash | omg lolz dis s so funnuy |
| 06:08.54 | Snuggles2000 | No offense, it's kinda nifty. |
| 06:09.02 | maddash | !find gasp |
| 06:09.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gasp' (4 of 7): (/usr/bin/m68hc12-gasp) in devel/binutils-m68hc1x ;; (/usr/bin/vgaspect) in contrib/otherosfs/spectemu-svga ;; (/usr/share/doc/fontforge/html/fontinfo-gasp.png) in x11/fontforge-doc ;; (/usr/share/games/vegastrike/textures/sol/gaspra.png) in games/vegastrike-data. |
| 06:09.33 | maddash | too bad gasp doesn't exist... |
| 06:09.36 | cob | !apt |
| 06:09.36 | dpkg | it has been said that apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
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| 06:09.44 | kjxxxx | I just bought a network card and my machine is not recognizing it |
| 06:09.51 | maddash | !find strip |
| 06:09.53 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'strip' (5): dailystrips ;; libchart-strip-perl ;; libroxen-stripper ;; stripclub ;; zope-stripogram. |
| 06:09.53 | wols_ | kjxxxx: lpsci? |
| 06:10.01 | wols_ | maddash: binutils most probably |
| 06:10.13 | maddash | wols_: dpkg didn't find anything |
| 06:10.20 | kjxxxx | I have found out that it can work with bcmxx |
| 06:10.22 | dondelelcaro | maddash: it's in binutils, and it definetly exists. |
| 06:10.32 | ApEtc | maddash: Try using /msg . Also, try "listkeys" if you want to search the bot's factoirs. |
| 06:10.37 | ApEtc | factoids |
| 06:10.42 | maddash | dondelelcaro: did you see my !find? |
| 06:10.50 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.50 | wols_ | binutils: /usr/bin/strip |
| 06:10.50 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/bin/strip is installed! |
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| 06:10.57 | marinosi | /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/make.mo There aren't any object files like this and i cannot compile a module..Is there any package containing them?I have installed locales-all but nothing |
| 06:10.59 | Guerin | WTF |
| 06:11.07 | maddash | ApEtc: that was for our benefit |
| 06:11.32 | wols_ | kjxxxx: ick. broadcom |
| 06:11.35 | Guerin | marinosi: you might need to install build-essential |
| 06:11.45 | Guerin | kjxxxx: get a new card |
| 06:11.55 | Guerin | broadcom is useless |
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| 06:12.14 | cob | nothing is useless with ndiswrapper |
| 06:12.16 | DawnLight | so how do i set which filename encoding i want the cdrom to read? |
| 06:12.17 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: sex =~ s/gasp; // |
| 06:12.17 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.28 | Guerin | ndiswrapper is itself useless |
| 06:12.32 | wols_ | kjxxxx: while I wouldn't go so far as Guerin (new cards cost money), next time research Linux compatibility before you buy new hardware |
| 06:12.50 | Guerin | dpkg: did you read man mount; yet? |
| 06:12.52 | maddash | dondelelcaro: hmm, maybe i could write a program called "gasp" |
| 06:12.53 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:13.00 | Guerin | DawnLight: did you read man mount; yet? |
| 06:13.03 | cob | by useless I assume you mean "I can't figure it out" |
| 06:13.30 | Guerin | cob: no, i mean `broadcom are evil gpl-violating motherfuckers who release broken drivers' |
| 06:13.37 | DawnLight | i don't want to <:-| Guerin |
| 06:13.39 | wols_ | cob: I think guerin could figure it out, be he things hw that needs kludges like ndiswrapper is not worth the money. I agree with him |
| 06:13.49 | DawnLight | but i will if i have to |
| 06:13.51 | wols_ | ndiswrapper is a last ditch attempt when all else fails |
| 06:13.55 | Guerin | DawnLight: there is a disconnect between what you want and what you need. |
| 06:14.08 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: broadcom didn't even write or release those drivers |
| 06:14.13 | cob | It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks, I can wrap windows drivers up in ndiswrapper, load up the module, and my wireless card works like a champ |
| 06:14.26 | wols_ | DawnLight: you need to reevaluate your needs and wants if you want to stay on linux |
| 06:14.29 | dondelelcaro | (the bcm43xx ones) |
| 06:14.39 | maddash | ad-hoc routing? anyone? |
| 06:14.46 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: did they not? |
| 06:14.53 | wols_ | maddash: man route. or what do you mean? |
| 06:15.03 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: not the bcm43xx ones, no |
| 06:15.10 | maddash | 02:06:48 <maddash> is it possible to configure my wireless to ad-hoc mode and route all inbound traffic from wlan (eth1) out the ethernet jack (eth0)? |
| 06:15.12 | Guerin | buy a ralink 2500-based card; they have a good linux driver and a superb BSD driver. |
| 06:15.13 | wols_ | Guerin: reverse engineer. and bcm never releases drivers, especially not Free ones if they can help it |
| 06:15.18 | cob | pragmatism....the anti-emo |
| 06:15.20 | DawnLight | hmmmmmmm..... okay i guess there's no going back now, right? |
| 06:15.24 | marinosi | Guerin: nothing :S |
| 06:15.43 | Guerin | cob: yours is the short-term pragmatism. |
| 06:15.47 | DawnLight | it'll be like the yogi who has failed |
| 06:15.50 | wols_ | maddash: what you want is the set up an AP and make your debian box a nat router |
| 06:16.02 | Guerin | mine is the long-term pragmatism which will result in good hardware with free drivers |
| 06:16.07 | cob | Guerin: and yours is utopian |
| 06:16.29 | dondelelcaro | wols_: he could configure it as a bridge too |
| 06:16.39 | maddash | wols_: i can set eth1 to ad-hoc mode just fine, it's redirecting inbound traffic that I can't figure out |
| 06:16.40 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: home users don't get more than one public IP :) |
| 06:16.50 | wols_ | maddash: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 06:16.54 | Guerin | cob: absolutely not, i fucking hate utopianists. A utopia would be where ALL hardware has free drivers. |
| 06:16.55 | cob | there have already been several drives to get vendors to write linux drivers, they just don't want to do it, it's a "niche market" |
| 06:17.09 | dondelelcaro | wols_: sure; I'm assuming that he's doing something between his cable modem and the wireless bits |
| 06:17.16 | maddash | dondelelcaro: tell me more about the bridge |
| 06:17.24 | wols_ | cob: there are cards with Free drivers, so there is no reason to buy broadcom. hit it where it hurts: their pocketbook |
| 06:17.28 | cob | in a world where absolutes define reality, I agree with your philosophy; we don't live in that world, however |
| 06:17.28 | dondelelcaro | maddash: see the lartc and brctl |
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| 06:17.44 | dondelelcaro | wols_: the problem with broadcom isn't the drivers actually; it's the firmware |
| 06:17.51 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: ok. then dboule nat would be evil. my bad. but apt-gte ipmasq is so _easy_ |
| 06:17.51 | Guerin | bridging doesn't work very well with wireless, however |
| 06:17.54 | cob | wols_: we agree there, but the fact of the matter is, this guy is trying to get a Broadcom adapter working |
| 06:18.36 | maddash | wols_: dondelelcaro: so, to ipmasq or not? I'm confused... |
| 06:18.49 | Guerin | cob: it's about utility - if he wants to spend 10 hours working it out and maybe eventually getting to work, by all means. However, at some point it becomes saner to just go and buy a decent card and sell the broadcom on ebay. |
| 06:18.51 | wols_ | maddash: depends. your wired eth0, is it a public IP or private? |
| 06:19.01 | kjxxxx | cob it goes 700 ft and it was the cheapest in the store |
| 06:19.09 | dondelelcaro | maddash: ipmasq is simple and fairly easy to configure |
| 06:19.10 | Guerin | and now you know why |
| 06:19.12 | wols_ | 700ft says who? |
| 06:19.15 | Guerin | and it doesn't go 700ft |
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| 06:19.29 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it does with the right directional antennas |
| 06:19.40 | Guerin | which don't come with the card |
| 06:19.47 | Guerin | i mean |
| 06:19.55 | dondelelcaro | that's what astrixes are for! |
| 06:19.57 | maddash | wols_: private - I think. it's behind a router. |
| 06:20.05 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: with the right antenna, any card can do this |
| 06:20.08 | cob | Guerin: 10 hours is a bit extreme for an ndiswrapper compile & configuration |
| 06:20.17 | wols_ | maddash: don't "think". make sure |
| 06:20.20 | Guerin | cob: not for saomeone who doesn't know what they're doing. |
| 06:20.30 | dondelelcaro | wols_: yerp |
| 06:20.42 | dondelelcaro | wols_: indeed, the antenna need only be on one end |
| 06:20.45 | cob | I do wish ndiswrapper would be able to put cards in permiscuous mode |
| 06:20.55 | marinosi | I did strace the make process for the module compiling and here is the critical part..How can i figure out in which package these object files exist/can be created? http://rafb.net/p/aDNxDl40.html |
| 06:20.57 | cob | I never get to play with kismet |
| 06:21.01 | maddash | wols_: it's behind a router. i suppose the "double nat" situation you mentioned applies here. |
| 06:21.37 | wols_ | maddash: you can still use double NAT. technically not pretty but it works(tm) and is easy. the technically more correct way is bridging as dondelelcaro told you |
| 06:21.42 | kjxxxx | lol |
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| 06:21.48 | Guerin | tinfoil not required |
| 06:21.50 | Guerin | :) |
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| 06:21.55 | wols_ | but then. the technically correct way is host-ap instead of ad-hoc too |
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| 06:22.05 | cellofellow | how do I set up ipcheck? |
| 06:22.18 | Guerin | !helpfile ipcheck |
| 06:22.19 | dpkg | For help with ipcheck, look in /usr/share/doc/ipcheck There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 06:22.25 | cellofellow | k |
| 06:22.43 | DawnLight | i was going to say a very bad word upon discovering that the mount man is more then a thousand (1000) lines long |
| 06:22.50 | kjxxxx | gerin the box says 700 ft |
| 06:22.53 | wols_ | hmmm... no BCM43XX in etch it seems |
| 06:23.15 | Guerin | kjxxxx: yes. In a lab, under optimal conditions, with the right hardware. |
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| 06:23.46 | wols_ | kjxxxx: inside a 700ft big faraday cage perhaps |
| 06:24.09 | Guerin | wols_: a faraday tunnel! |
| 06:24.10 | wols_ | but you don't live inside a EM-dead faraday cage, do you? |
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| 06:24.31 | wols_ | Guerin: probably with a tunnel that reflects the EM waves so it goes farther |
| 06:24.38 | Guerin | that's what I'm thinking |
| 06:24.45 | Guerin | i'd stick with my wok :) |
| 06:24.50 | kjxxxx | wol I see bmc4400 |
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| 06:25.14 | wols_ | I only looked inside 2.6.18 config |
| 06:25.29 | wols_ | oops. no I didn't. only custom kernels on this box |
| 06:25.44 | wols_ | you're right BCM43XX is in there |
| 06:26.02 | wols_ | but you haven't answered my quesiotn what chip it exactly is |
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| 06:27.59 | kjxxxx | F5D7011 card, which utilizes the Broadcom chipset |
| 06:28.18 | Guerin | there is more than one broadcom chipset |
| 06:28.22 | Guerin | this is the point |
| 06:28.27 | Guerin | find out which one |
| 06:28.43 | Guerin | or better yet, take it back and echange it for something which uses a ralink chipset |
| 06:29.16 | kjxxxx | I am searching some mo |
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| 06:31.07 | GhostInTheShell | Good morning everyone! |
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| 06:32.13 | DawnLight | is practically every cd i encounter with rock ridge? |
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| 06:33.11 | DawnLight | good morning GhostInTheShell, where are you from? |
| 06:33.35 | Guerin | DawnLight: should be. |
| 06:33.46 | Guerin | no reason not to use rr these days |
| 06:34.05 | GhostInTheShell | DawnLight: Bulgaria |
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| 06:36.59 | cob | I swear, the Windows community is lobotomized |
| 06:37.50 | cob | why does Microsoft create Powershell, then have employees make blog posts about editing your profile to include functions, then completely break the path to $profile |
| 06:38.15 | DawnLight | GhostInTheShell what's the timezone |
| 06:38.25 | GhostInTheShell | +2 GMT |
| 06:38.28 | cob | then you ask a question about the powershell profile and get answers ranging between "what is powershell" and crap about Windows account profiles |
| 06:38.39 | wols_ | kjxxxx: I told you what you need to do to find out what chip it is |
| 06:39.03 | wols_ | DawnLight: there is some HFS stuff too... |
| 06:39.04 | DawnLight | cob, everything that is normal is fundumentally retarded |
| 06:39.09 | wols_ | and what about UDF? |
| 06:39.39 | kjxxxx | wols_: I didn't see what you said to do about finding out what chip |
| 06:39.48 | kjxxxx | wols: can you repeat |
| 06:39.49 | wols_ | scroll up |
| 06:39.59 | DawnLight | wols_ i am getting dizzy |
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| 06:40.07 | kjxxxx | oh lspc -n does not work as the card is not detected |
| 06:40.21 | wols_ | if it is a PCMCIA card: fix your PCMCIA |
| 06:40.45 | kjxxxx | pcmcia recognize an older ether/modem card |
| 06:41.08 | DawnLight | GhostInTheShell well im right south of you in israel |
| 06:41.08 | GhostInTheShell | :") |
| 06:41.14 | wols_ | lspci -v |
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| 06:42.36 | cellofellow | I need an easy tutorial for setting up cron from the command line. |
| 06:43.05 | wols_ | apt sets up your cron |
| 06:43.14 | wols_ | well debconf if we are pedantic I guess |
| 06:43.33 | cellofellow | I need to manually run a script every few minutes then? |
| 06:43.46 | Guerin | wow ... cracktard of the month award goes to http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=227523&cid=18437727 |
| 06:43.52 | marinosi | for building modules etc, i need only build-essential? |
| 06:43.53 | wols_ | no you don't |
| 06:43.59 | marinosi | any other package? |
| 06:44.01 | Guerin | cellofellow: man cron |
| 06:44.10 | cellofellow | I tried, I don't understand it. |
| 06:44.17 | wols_ | marinosi: m-a, kernel-package maybe, kernel headers,... |
| 06:44.29 | cellofellow | I don't understand cron, just that it's a scheduler. |
| 06:44.30 | Guerin | cellofellow: what don't you understand? |
| 06:44.42 | wols_ | cellofellow: google "cron howto" |
| 06:44.49 | cellofellow | how to set it up. what is a crontab for example? |
| 06:44.51 | cellofellow | ok |
| 06:44.51 | wols_ | tons of tutorials |
| 06:44.54 | DawnLight | i think i got somewhere: if i want to set for the cdrom automount iocharset=iso-8859-8 how do i do that? |
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| 06:45.08 | wols_ | crontab is wher you actually enter your script so it gets called every few min |
| 06:45.16 | Guerin | cellofellow: crontab IS documented in the manual. So your lack of awareness of it leads me to think you haven't read it. |
| 06:45.22 | wols_ | DawnLight: man fstab |
| 06:45.30 | kjxxxx | wols_: I had no luck finding anything in there about the card |
| 06:45.40 | cellofellow | it overwhelm me, some manpages don't but cron spins my head round and round. |
| 06:45.42 | DawnLight | not more manuals... |
| 06:45.44 | marinosi | wols_: m-a? |
| 06:45.46 | wols_ | kjxxxx: unless you do, it won't work. |
| 06:45.49 | wols_ | !m-a |
| 06:45.50 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 06:46.03 | wols_ | DawnLight: that's the way it goes |
| 06:46.20 | wols_ | DawnLight: if you want a friendly man to explain you everything hire a teacher |
| 06:47.14 | kjxxxx | cob: did you see what wols_ said? |
| 06:47.16 | DawnLight | fine im gonna read. im gonna complain about it also. it is an internet right - to complain... |
| 06:47.28 | cob | kjxxxx: about? |
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| 06:47.33 | markybob | there is no such "right" in #debian |
| 06:47.51 | wols_ | marinosi: there is the right of ops to kick the whiner who complains |
| 06:47.58 | kjxxxx | that is lspci does not show my card it will not work |
| 06:48.03 | Guerin | in the immortal words of attrition.org, `you have no rights here' |
| 06:48.47 | DawnLight | my ants are being funny. they seem to cover the food i gave them. now they have to dig... |
| 06:49.20 | cob | kjxxxx: my experience has been running a driver with ndiswrapper, once you load up the ndiswrapper kernel module, all configured and compiled with your special card's driver, it will be usable and obviously show up in lspci |
| 06:49.26 | wols_ | Guerin: that yro.slashdot guy is a good troll |
| 06:49.47 | Wyzard | cob: It should show up in lspci regardless of whether a driver is loaded |
| 06:49.50 | wols_ | cob: and it didn't show up on lspci before? |
| 06:50.04 | wols_ | you got really strange hardware there cob |
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| 06:50.20 | wols_ | I'd go so far as call it "magical". does the PCI-SIG know about it? |
| 06:50.35 | Guerin | wols_: yes. |
| 06:50.40 | cob | your wit is only funny to you |
| 06:51.39 | cob | I have had that experience on an old Compaq laptop with a PCMCIA card, yes |
| 06:51.41 | cellofellow | all I have to do is run sudo crontab -e and add a file? |
| 06:52.08 | cob | on my Dell D600, the Broadcom adapter does show up in lspci before the kernel module is loaded |
| 06:52.14 | wols_ | cob: how does NDISWrapper know the hardware is actually there if it doesn't sho up in lspci? |
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| 06:52.47 | kjxxxx | cob: I am running an old compaq laptop |
| 06:52.54 | markybob | question still applies |
| 06:53.19 | marinosi | wols_: COuld you please check in /usr/share/locale/en/ if there is a make.mo ?In your system , and of course if you would like. |
| 06:53.31 | cob | wols_: I don't know, is showing up in lspci an absolute prerequisite to being usable once the proper kernel module is loaded? |
| 06:53.34 | Wyzard | cob: PCMCIA is 16-bit and never shows up in lspci at all |
| 06:53.45 | Guerin | marinosi: i just have xmms.mo |
| 06:54.00 | Wyzard | cob: CardBus (which looks pretty much the same as PCMCIA) is 32-bit and basically PCI, and shows up in lspci regardless of drivers |
| 06:54.12 | marinosi | Guerin: :S |
| 06:54.30 | wols_ | marinosi: no. there are a few .mo files. no make.mo |
| 06:54.47 | kjxxxx | my cardbus doesn't show up either |
| 06:54.49 | wols_ | Wyzard: ok, CARDBUS here |
| 06:55.12 | Wyzard | cob: Being recognized as a device on the PCI bus is an absolute prerequisite being usable by a driver, and lspci shows everything the kernel recognizes on the PCI bus |
| 06:55.18 | wols_ | Wyzard: and since he said his PCMCIA modem shows up... |
| 06:55.30 | cob | "everything the kernel recognizes" |
| 06:55.37 | cob | I'm not being a smartass, I truly don't know |
| 06:55.56 | cob | so if a dev is not recognized by the kernel and a module supporting it is not loaded |
| 06:56.02 | DawnLight | i made it! |
| 06:56.04 | DawnLight | joy! |
| 06:56.06 | Guerin | lspci should show everything which is plugged in, with the exception of things which aren't actually supported by your hardware |
| 06:56.20 | wols_ | everything on the PCI bus that is |
| 06:56.31 | Wyzard | Any PCI device can be asked for its identification, with no need for a driver |
| 06:56.32 | Guerin | such as my ralink rt2500 card, which freaks on systems newer than about ~2000 |
| 06:56.38 | Wyzard | That's what I mean by "recognized by the kernel" |
| 06:56.38 | DawnLight | i can see hebrew in cdrom filnames! its iocharset=cp1255 |
| 06:56.39 | Guerin | right |
| 06:56.43 | marinosi | wols_ and Guerin : Thank you for your time |
| 06:56.52 | Guerin | marinosi: good luck. |
| 06:56.58 | wols_ | marinosi: what are you trying to do? |
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| 06:57.10 | cob | so the pci bus identification has vendor and model strings usually then |
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| 06:57.14 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:57.23 | cob | ok |
| 06:57.24 | Guerin | lspci converts those to readable guff |
| 06:57.27 | wols_ | cob: usually all you need is PCI IDs |
| 06:57.43 | Wyzard | If it's on the PCI bus and not completely brain-dead, the kernel will recognize that there's a device in this slot with such-and-such PCI ID, even if there's no driver to actually utilize the device |
| 06:57.47 | Wyzard | And that's what lspci shows |
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| 06:58.20 | cob | that explains a lot, I always did kind of wonder why things that didn't work because they weren't supported would report in lspci |
| 06:58.49 | wols_ | marinosi: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=make.mo&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 06:58.52 | Guerin | wols_: my rt2500 is funky - put it in some old boxen and it will boot, but not show in lspci; others it won't POST; one it has nuked the BIOS. |
| 06:59.10 | wols_ | it is not funky. it's broken hardware |
| 06:59.21 | wols_ | considering how cheap such a card is. get a new one |
| 06:59.26 | cob | I could swear that I saw what I described on the old, old Compaq laptop though |
| 06:59.30 | wols_ | not worth the hassle. same what you said to kjxxxx |
| 06:59.31 | DawnLight | i think that this is something that should be automatically configured for hebrew users in the base-config, that the cdrom mount would be iocharset=cp1255, it would sure save the next person a lot of trouble. what do you people think |
| 06:59.33 | cob | we're talking Cyrix processor |
| 06:59.42 | Guerin | apparently they require a PCI revision 2.2 - however it works in SOME 2.1 PCI motherboards. |
| 06:59.48 | wols_ | cob: as Wyzard said. not CARDBUS but 16bit PCMCIA |
| 07:00.07 | cob | so then 16bit PCMCIA devices won't necessarily show up in lspci until a driver is loaded? |
| 07:00.07 | Guerin | wols_: well, if you know the parameters, there's a simple workaround - use something nerwe than 2000 |
| 07:00.17 | Guerin | newer, even |
| 07:00.38 | Guerin | DawnLight: i thin you should file a bug or an installation report |
| 07:00.39 | wols_ | cob: yes. at least when you have a 16bit PCMCIA host bridge |
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| 07:01.05 | wols_ | but since his stuff does show up in lspci (the modem) and BCM43xx is CARDBUS... |
| 07:02.13 | cob | so there is no native support for that chip right |
| 07:02.43 | wols_ | BCM43XX has native support |
| 07:02.51 | wols_ | but first he needs to check if it is |
| 07:02.52 | cob | been a long time since I checked last |
| 07:03.01 | DawnLight | but i don't know shiz about shiz, i only assume that windows uses cp1255 to encode hebrew filenames on cds/dvds |
| 07:03.12 | markybob | cob it's there http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 07:03.29 | cob | ah..reverse engineered |
| 07:03.29 | wols_ | markybob: it's in the kernel actually |
| 07:03.42 | markybob | wols_, i know. and the site says that. i was pointing him for docs |
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| 07:03.54 | Guerin | DawnLight: what's your cdrom device? |
| 07:04.08 | Guerin | DawnLight: /dev/hdd or something? |
| 07:04.35 | cob | sumbitch...I do believe this means I can now have a native driver for my D600 |
| 07:06.04 | wols_ | cob: on etch, yes |
| 07:06.12 | kjxxxx | dpkg bmc |
| 07:06.12 | dpkg | [bmc] very evil |
| 07:06.16 | DawnLight | hmmm.... what Guerin? |
| 07:06.30 | DawnLight | i think it's hdc |
| 07:06.39 | wols_ | you _think_? |
| 07:06.49 | x_link | Hi |
| 07:06.54 | kjxxxx | isn't that funny when you dpkg bmc what it says |
| 07:06.59 | x_link | Should I have Load "dri" in my xorg.conf? |
| 07:07.26 | wols_ | x_link: depends |
| 07:07.33 | DawnLight | my god: cp1255 is "Microsoft Windows Codepage 1255" |
| 07:07.34 | x_link | Okej. |
| 07:07.43 | marinosi | wols_: I was trying to compile a patched rt73 driver for my usb wireless adapter to work with aircrack.Finally i did it, the adapter works but attacks do not succeed :-P |
| 07:07.50 | marinosi | Thanks again guys |
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| 07:08.07 | wols_ | marinosi: attacks give bad karma anyways |
| 07:08.29 | x_link | wols_: When I used my onboard geforce 6150 128MB card I have Load "dri" in my xorg.conf, but with this 6600GT card I don't even have it there. |
| 07:08.51 | wols_ | x_link: both times nvidia driver? |
| 07:08.52 | marinosi | wols_: I was just trying to crack my local wep wifi ..Didn't try something bad:-P |
| 07:09.01 | x_link | wols_: Yes |
| 07:09.04 | markybob | x_link, you shouldnt have dri in the config if you're using nvidia driver |
| 07:09.11 | x_link | OK |
| 07:09.13 | x_link | Thanks |
| 07:09.22 | wols_ | markybob: why on gods green earth do you use WEP? |
| 07:09.35 | wols_ | save the bother and keep the AP open |
| 07:09.35 | markybob | x_link, which is what the nvidia's driver README says...really, reading is good :) |
| 07:09.51 | DawnLight | so now when i copy a file with a hebrew filename decoded in cp1255 from a cd to lets say the desktop does it convert it's encoding? |
| 07:09.58 | markybob | wols_, i use WPA. |
| 07:09.59 | wols_ | !be a reading barbie |
| 07:09.59 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, wols_ |
| 07:10.01 | x_link | markybob: I don't know how to find that file. |
| 07:10.07 | x_link | I don't have any in the nvidia dir. |
| 07:10.17 | wols_ | Guerin: why? |
| 07:10.20 | Guerin | and I'm going to set up authpf one of these days |
| 07:10.33 | Guerin | wols_: obsd doesn't do wpa |
| 07:10.40 | markybob | x_link, http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/index.html |
| 07:10.45 | wols_ | so much about "security" |
| 07:10.52 | Guerin | since if you're serious about security you don't use wpa, you use ipsec or something |
| 07:11.10 | wols_ | sure, but you should still have it for interoperability imho |
| 07:11.26 | Guerin | wols_: they have concerns about the veracity of wpa implementations, and didn't bother including it fir that reason. |
| 07:11.35 | Guerin | well, yeah |
| 07:11.35 | marinosi | Guerin: Good ap's do not use encryption..What card do you use in obsd to do hostap?I bought one with acx but it does only ad-hoc and not so stable. |
| 07:11.42 | Guerin | i tend to agree, but that's not the obsd way. |
| 07:11.59 | kjxxxx | I can't believe these manufactureres are so silly to not be making linux drivers |
| 07:12.20 | Guerin | marinosi: dynalink WLG25, rt2500-based |
| 07:12.29 | Guerin | i would leave it open, but my bandwidth is metered |
| 07:12.30 | x_link | markybob: Thanks alot man! |
| 07:12.33 | kjxxxx | when most windows box come out now they have the network card built in so who will be left to buy their cards |
| 07:12.40 | Guerin | and i pay through the nose for data over the cap |
| 07:12.40 | marinosi | Guerin: is it pci?ANd it works good in hostap mode? |
| 07:12.48 | Guerin | marinosi: works fabulously. |
| 07:13.30 | wols_ | wish my acx111 would do host-ap |
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| 07:13.36 | wols_ | but it does work stable in linux |
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| 07:14.04 | wols_ | marinosi: is it the same drivre for obsd as acx100.sourceforge.net |
| 07:14.10 | Guerin | ironically, the rt2500 driver in linux doesn't do hostap, is limited to 11mb/s in ad-hoc and doesn't work without WEP |
| 07:14.41 | Guerin | in obsd, it does hostap, works at 54mb/s in ad-hoc and works with or without wep ... and the driver is about 1/10th the size |
| 07:14.46 | marinosi | Guerin: If you setup authpf you will be excellent..Then you could put out the encryption key |
| 07:14.52 | Guerin | so much for linux having good drivers |
| 07:14.55 | markybob | Guerin, um...i've used the rt2500 in linux without wep |
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| 07:15.50 | marinosi | wols_: the firmware , yes |
| 07:16.01 | Guerin | markybob: hm, interesting. Mine just wouldn't go out of WEP mode - i'd issue iwconfig ethx key off; and it'd say WEP was off, but a scan from another box said different |
| 07:16.05 | Guerin | marinosi: yes, when I do that I'll just drop the WEP |
| 07:16.07 | markybob | Guerin, you're talking about the rt2500 driver from here? http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Downloads |
| 07:16.32 | Guerin | markybob: whatever's in debian sid - m-a a-i rt2500-source; I believe it's that one |
| 07:16.51 | markybob | Guerin, oh. no idea. i've only used it directly from that site and it's worked well for me. |
| 07:17.06 | wols_ | markybob: the firmware is of course frm TI fromt he windows drivers (at least here) |
| 07:17.10 | Guerin | marinosi: i'm setting up to defraud my ISP by providing a link to my upstairs neighbours, thus doubling our service and saving about $30/mo each |
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| 07:17.19 | wols_ | I meant the linux kernel part. and obsd kernel part |
| 07:18.02 | marinosi | Before I put debian in my laptop I had freebsd but i had to quit because there was no support for ipw3945 -laptops wifi (only some beta non-working drivers) and my asus 167G finally had rt73 chipset not rt2500(ural at fbsd) that was supposed to have..Manufacturers change chipsets without warning :-( |
| 07:18.38 | wols_ | happens with wlan hardware :( |
| 07:18.53 | wols_ | marinosi: can you run things like aircrack, kismet, etc on your acx chip? |
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| 07:19.23 | marinosi | wols_: it is a pci card and i have it on obsd so i didnt try |
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| 07:19.41 | marinosi | I work it as AP and router for my home lan |
| 07:19.46 | wols_ | so far, my tries where unsuccessful |
| 07:19.58 | marinosi | wols_: which card do you have? |
| 07:20.22 | wols_ | some no name acx111. got it on a P2 toshiba notebook for free |
| 07:20.29 | DawnLight | lol check out the name and slogan http://www.macrohard.de |
| 07:20.38 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.53 | jetscreamer | man mount, search fmask & dmask |
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| 07:21.02 | jetscreamer | that's mounted ro |
| 07:21.12 | jetscreamer | ah shit wrong window |
| 07:21.17 | wols_ | yes :) |
| 07:22.04 | marinosi | wols_: there is a problem with acx.I think it is not all the same..For example I use a D-Link DWL-G520+ which is supported as acx iface in obsd and has a texas instruments chipset.Are you sure , yours is a TI chip? |
| 07:22.30 | kjxxxx | thanks for all your help my girl is cussing me for spending anthing night on the computer. I shall go now. Tomorow I shall take the card back and look for a better card |
| 07:22.47 | kjxxxx | I am not spending another 3 days on a card and it doesn't work |
| 07:22.50 | jetscreamer | anthing? |
| 07:22.53 | jetscreamer | another? |
| 07:22.58 | marinosi | Guerin: do you know any usb rt2500 based adapters? |
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| 07:23.18 | DawnLight | kjxxxx |
| 07:23.33 | jetscreamer | i don't know, but isn't linksys usb54g rt2500 ? |
| 07:23.34 | DawnLight | were you recommended any card, kjxxxx? |
| 07:24.13 | kjxxxx | <Kevin`> kjxxxx I recommend you get an atheros based card, cardbus or pci |
| 07:25.11 | DawnLight | as long as you know it's compatible - good luck kjxxxx |
| 07:25.23 | kjxxxx | thanks |
| 07:25.46 | DawnLight | i feel nice |
| 07:26.00 | wols_ | yes I addd |
| 07:26.18 | marinosi | jetscreamer: linksys is playing with revisions..I think only rev4 and i can't find out a way to check the revision :-P |
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| 07:28.43 | markybob | jetscreamer, i have a linksys usb 54g and it's rt73 |
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| 07:30.38 | markybob | marinosi, http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1134691790190&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=9019039789B46 works very well for me with rt73 in linux. supports everything |
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| 07:32.01 | wols | marinosi: I am sure. unless they fudged PCI IDs it's a acx111 |
| 07:32.10 | wols | and the acs driver agrees with me |
| 07:33.01 | marinosi | markybob: yeap ..I have a fully working rt73 based usb adapter.An asus wl-167G.But it does not work in *BSD |
| 07:33.17 | marinosi | wols: You want to make acx111 working in linux or in bsd? |
| 07:33.49 | wols | linux. it works for nromal webbrowsing |
| 07:34.07 | wols | what I want is make it work is scanning for APs :) |
| 07:34.17 | wols | all the _fun_ stuff so to speak |
| 07:34.37 | marinosi | wols: iwpriv _iface_ |
| 07:34.49 | marinosi | does it support monitor mode? |
| 07:34.58 | f00li5h | hrm |
| 07:35.15 | wols | marinosi: so far I wasn't able to use it |
| 07:35.29 | f00li5h | how can i have both apache2 and apache installed at the same time? |
| 07:35.30 | wols | so I guess no |
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| 07:36.47 | Guerin | f00li5h: do they conflict: (aptitude show will tell you) |
| 07:36.48 | savar | set |
| 07:36.59 | marinosi | wols: With a little googling i found it supports monitor mode if it is acx111.Does kismet gives any errors? |
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| 07:37.07 | f00li5h | Guerin: i presume so |
| 07:37.07 | Guerin | marinosi: yes, there are some. They're also supported, at least under bsd. |
| 07:37.11 | f00li5h | i'll look it up |
| 07:37.15 | Guerin | f00li5h: don't presume. |
| 07:37.33 | f00li5h | Guerin: i said i'd look it up |
| 07:38.19 | f00li5h | Guerin: hrm, perhaps not |
| 07:38.26 | Guerin | f00li5h: yeh, crosstalk |
| 07:38.42 | Guerin | f00li5h: if they don't conflict, you can run both, on different ports |
| 07:38.49 | f00li5h | hrm |
| 07:38.53 | Guerin | i see no reason they should conflict |
| 07:39.03 | f00li5h | i'm going to need to do some serious configuration to make this work |
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| 07:39.16 | f00li5h | versions of libraries would be all i can think of |
| 07:39.23 | f00li5h | that and all the versions of php etc that get plugged in |
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| 07:40.21 | robin_sz | bah, how I am beginning to hate icedove |
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| 07:40.44 | chemaja | robin_sz, why |
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| 07:41.02 | robin_sz | 285mb and 87% CPU? |
| 07:41.11 | chemaja | welcome to Mozilla :) |
| 07:41.20 | robin_sz | mmm .... |
| 07:41.27 | wols | robin_sz: get a new profile? |
| 07:41.30 | chemaja | it pwns me too on XP (Thunderbird latest stable) |
| 07:41.30 | robin_sz | well, its well behaved on windows, ;) |
| 07:41.31 | Gnea | robin_sz: after running for how long and processing how much mail? |
| 07:41.32 | chemaja | shithouse |
| 07:41.47 | chemaja | if i press forward on an email that's say 500K text it locks up the app for two minutes |
| 07:41.50 | chemaja | then it recovers. |
| 07:41.54 | robin_sz | gnea, not running long, maybe 3 days or so |
| 07:42.07 | chemaja | and that's the tip of the "ice" berg :) |
| 07:42.15 | Gnea | robin_sz: what branch? |
| 07:42.27 | robin_sz | gne and not much mail either, say, 3 to 5 months worht ... less than 10K messages |
| 07:42.40 | chemaja | robin_sz, it's just pooware. |
| 07:42.51 | chemaja | robin_sz, but i'm stuck with it for the time being (long story) |
| 07:43.04 | wols | marinosi: monitor (8BF6) : set 2 int & get 0 |
| 07:43.12 | robin_sz | gnea branch? ... um its the standard etch thing |
| 07:43.25 | wols | is the iwpriv output btw. if I run airdump, it errors and I lose network connection |
| 07:43.26 | Gnea | standard etch? |
| 07:43.36 | Gnea | ok, so it's etch then |
| 07:43.39 | Gnea | !branch |
| 07:43.39 | dpkg | hmm... branch is what version of Debian you're using: sarge/stable, etch/frozen, sid/unstable |
| 07:43.47 | robin_sz | etch |
| 07:44.24 | robin_sz | most of the mail is away over yonder in ima mailboxes |
| 07:44.29 | maddash | where do i find the lartc 2.6 docs? |
| 07:44.29 | robin_sz | imap |
| 07:44.33 | chemaja | Gnea, funny the debian doc refers to "branch" as "distribution" |
| 07:44.39 | Gnea | robin_sz: 1.5.0.9.dfsg1-1? |
| 07:44.51 | Gnea | chemaja: what doc? where? url? |
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| 07:45.00 | chemaja | Gnea, dont make me search! :) |
| 07:45.11 | Gnea | chemaja: then don't make empty claims :) |
| 07:45.17 | chemaja | in a bit, i just got home from work im in zombie mode |
| 07:45.23 | Gnea | right on |
| 07:45.25 | Gnea | so did i lol |
| 07:45.30 | robin_sz | Gnea, 1.5.0.9.dfsg1-1 |
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| 07:45.37 | chemaja | GMT+10? |
| 07:45.44 | Gnea | fucked if i know |
| 07:45.52 | Gnea | i'm on PST in the states |
| 07:45.56 | chemaja | k |
| 07:45.56 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:46.11 | robin_sz | Gnea, this is regualr behaviour, it does it ever few days or so of running, then I have to kill it and wake it up again |
| 07:46.21 | chemaja | i'm south-east Australia |
| 07:46.28 | Gnea | !dbugs 415387 |
| 07:46.32 | dpkg | DONE:#415387:[icedove] security issues in icedove; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:45:10 UTC |
| 07:46.58 | Gnea | robin_sz: check that - it's one of the few bugs left with etch itself before etch can be released stable |
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| 07:47.09 | robin_sz | check what? |
| 07:47.15 | Gnea | the bug |
| 07:47.17 | Gnea | !bts |
| 07:47.18 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 07:47.36 | maddash | erm, I'm going to ask the same question again, at the risk of incurring wols' or dondelelcaro's wrath: is it possible to configure my wireless to ad-hoc mode and route all inbound traffic from wlan (eth1) out the ethernet jack (eth0)? |
| 07:48.20 | Guerin | maddash: anything's possible. |
| 07:48.23 | Gnea | maddash: yes. |
| 07:48.24 | liable | maddash: sure, you want the thing to share the internet connection? |
| 07:48.44 | Gnea | maddash: you're referring to a bridge. |
| 07:48.45 | Guerin | maddash: eth0 is your internet connection? |
| 07:48.50 | Guerin | well, not necessarily |
| 07:48.57 | liable | or just ipmasqing |
| 07:48.58 | Guerin | a bridge might be overkill |
| 07:49.02 | maddash | Guerin: yes. |
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| 07:49.13 | Gnea | true |
| 07:49.20 | Gnea | he didn't mention what he wants done with outbound traffic |
| 07:49.24 | Guerin | maddash: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 07:49.31 | maddash | I can easily manage this in XP with something called "ICS" - how is this different from a bridge? |
| 07:49.44 | Guerin | maddash: or use http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt as a base |
| 07:49.54 | DawnLight | so now to burning hebrew filenames... |
| 07:50.06 | Guerin | maddash: ICS is just microsoft's fancy name for NAT |
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| 07:50.26 | Gnea | maddash: oh, for connection sharing? why didn't you say so? |
| 07:50.27 | robin_sz | Gnea, so basically is fixed in the upstream (thunderbird) package, but not worked its way down into etch yet? |
| 07:50.55 | Guerin | maddash: ipmasq is the most trivial manifestation of what you want |
| 07:51.20 | Guerin | anything more complex, it pays to learn iptables |
| 07:51.25 | Guerin | which takes about an hour |
| 07:51.27 | savar | hi, what is the meta2 key on the keyboard? |
| 07:51.28 | liable | set up the ad-hoc connection, run ipmasq, done |
| 07:51.33 | maddash | Guerin: ah, so ipmasq is equivalent to "ics" |
| 07:51.49 | Guerin | maddash: well, ipmasq does more than that, but crudely speaking, yes |
| 07:51.57 | Guerin | maddash: all it is is a set of iptables scripts |
| 07:52.07 | Guerin | savar: never heard of such a thing |
| 07:52.23 | maddash | what about lartc? how does this mesh with iptables, NAT/ICS/Ipmasq? |
| 07:52.29 | Guerin | maddash: strictly speaking only about one or two lines are needed for NAT/ICS |
| 07:52.32 | savar | Guerin: the "ALT" Key ist meta1 |
| 07:52.49 | Gnea | robin_sz: hrm... http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/22694 |
| 07:52.53 | savar | but wha is meta2? (need for weechat/irssi) |
| 07:52.59 | Guerin | maddash: lartc is a whole infrastructure tutorial - it uses iptables to do NAT and much, much more |
| 07:53.19 | Guerin | savar: i know what meta is, but never heard of meta2, and you most certainly don't need it for irssi |
| 07:53.52 | litage | how much ram does a live CD usually require to boot into runlevel 2? |
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| 07:54.20 | Guerin | litage: depends on the livecd. DSL can do it in 48MB, i think - most would want ~128 |
| 07:54.35 | Gnea | robin_sz: the fix has been issued, it's the debian maintainer that is slacking. |
| 07:54.46 | litage | Guerin: thanks! |
| 07:55.04 | robin_sz | so if I switched to the thunderbird binary, it would be fixed? |
| 07:55.19 | Gnea | it's possible |
| 07:55.28 | robin_sz | 'k |
| 07:55.41 | robin_sz | and would I get the nice logo back then too? |
| 07:55.44 | Gnea | however |
| 07:56.10 | Gnea | robin_sz: a look at sid shows this version of icedove currently in the repository: 1.5.0.10.dfsg1-2 |
| 07:57.06 | Gnea | robin_sz: also note that the bug was filed 3 days ago. |
| 07:57.21 | savar | Guerin: found it: After pressing the META2 key (either CTRL-X or TAB) you can press one of |
| 07:57.33 | Guerin | oo |
| 07:57.47 | Guerin | you might want to bind that to capslock or something |
| 07:57.58 | savar | but if it works (you can search meta2 and irssi and will find something) |
| 07:58.10 | Gnea | robin_sz: so it actually looks like the maintainer isn't slacking, s/he just has to go through all of the red tape of making sure that the frozen version is patched and tested properly. |
| 07:58.29 | Guerin | my irssi works peachy with plain old meta1 |
| 07:59.04 | savar | i m using weechat and have this key binding: meta2-18~ => /window -1 |
| 08:00.24 | savar | don't know what to type.. grmpf |
| 08:00.24 | savar | but yes this is OT.. |
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| 08:00.42 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.56 | Gnea | they don't have anything on their site for it? |
| 08:01.44 | Guerin | so ... um ... hos does this weechat differ from the almighty irssi? |
| 08:01.49 | Guerin | other than having a crap name? |
| 08:01.51 | savar | didn't find anything.. but maybe im stupid |
| 08:02.42 | Guerin | oh, it's actually a new client, not an irssi fork/clone |
| 08:02.49 | savar | Guerin: hmm.. good question.. i forget it. but set weechat up more quickly then irssi |
| 08:03.07 | Guerin | ... since when does irssi require configuration? |
| 08:03.41 | Guerin | mind you |
| 08:03.48 | Guerin | irssi.conf syntax is fucking evil |
| 08:03.52 | savar | icq jaber |
| 08:04.00 | savar | ]b |
| 08:04.01 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:04.07 | savar | +b |
| 08:04.41 | savar | Guerin: im telling crap |
| 08:04.48 | Guerin | *shock* |
| 08:04.58 | savar | it's in the morning.. |
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| 08:05.34 | savar | what do you expect? ;-) |
| 08:05.49 | solemnwarning | I have an mdadm RAID-1 array on my server, does mdadm make both disks bootable, or does it only mirror the RAID partitions? |
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| 08:09.55 | savar | ah i got what i need.. |
| 08:10.17 | x_link | Billinear is more than Trillinear right? |
| 08:10.29 | Gnea | no |
| 08:10.37 | x_link | OK |
| 08:10.40 | x_link | Thanks Gnea ! |
| 08:10.44 | Gnea | bi == 2, tri == 3 |
| 08:10.52 | x_link | ok |
| 08:10.57 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:11.07 | x_link | Thanks for answearing Gnea, I appreciate it! |
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| 08:11.25 | Gnea | sure |
| 08:11.38 | pingouin | what is the command to "wait" before doing something, like "wait 10 seconds" | import -window root myscreen.png ? please, thank you |
| 08:11.47 | maddash[reading | Gnea: 1, 1 |
| 08:11.53 | Gnea | sleep 10 |
| 08:12.04 | Gnea | maddash[reading: eh? |
| 08:12.19 | pingouin | Gnea: yes ! thank you very much !! |
| 08:12.37 | maddash[reading | Gnea: s/==/=/g |
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| 08:13.10 | Gnea | maddash[reading: = == == |
| 08:13.19 | maddash[reading | Gnea: 0 |
| 08:13.28 | Gnea | lol |
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| 08:13.58 | Gnea | maddash[reading: what language do u speak? |
| 08:14.14 | maddash[reading | Gnea: C/C++ |
| 08:14.30 | Gnea | maddash[reading: bash/perl |
| 08:14.35 | maddash[reading | Gnea: don't mind me, I was just being picky |
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| 08:14.42 | Gnea | :) |
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| 08:15.19 | mike1 | Just installed etch "kde' iso |
| 08:15.39 | mike1 | superb,,painless install,top job troopers |
| 08:15.53 | Guerin | mike1: file your installation report :) |
| 08:16.30 | mike1 | ok |
| 08:17.07 | Gnea | here |
| 08:17.14 | bushblows | when I /etc/init.d/quota start I get and error saying quota format not supported in kernel, what could fix this? |
| 08:17.17 | Gnea | !etch report |
| 08:17.17 | dpkg | it has been said that etch report is 3-21-2007 01:15 < mike1> Just installed etch "kde' iso 01:15 < mike1> superb,,painless install,top job troopers |
| 08:17.19 | mike1 | childs play to install |
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| 08:17.41 | mike1 | cool |
| 08:17.49 | Gnea | very :) |
| 08:18.05 | Gnea | still a few bugs to iron out |
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| 08:18.28 | savar | bushblows: put quota support into the kernel? |
| 08:18.56 | mike1 | Debian 4.0 is going to be a superb release and fast |
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| 08:18.59 | bushblows | oKtosiTe, will look into it, dont really know |
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| 08:19.25 | msingh | any good games i can apt-get try out? i like games like starcraft etc |
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| 08:19.41 | savar | bushblows: do you have the standard kernel or made it by yourself? |
| 08:19.49 | bushblows | standard |
| 08:19.56 | Gnea | msingh: freecraft |
| 08:20.04 | markybob | msingh, apt-cache search game |more ? |
| 08:20.07 | mike1 | msingh, windows is good for playing with :) |
| 08:20.35 | c00lfon | msingh, Try lincity-ng. :))) |
| 08:20.50 | c00lfon | msingh, Game like simcity in the sims style. Nice. ;) |
| 08:20.52 | mike1 | gl-117? |
| 08:21.01 | _rd_ | how can usb devs be restarted wiht out a reboot? |
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| 08:21.36 | msingh | c00lfon, cheers. checfking it out now. does it need any fancy video drivres? im just using a free one |
| 08:21.46 | savar | bushblows: hmm... did you enable the "quota" in the fstab? |
| 08:21.56 | lexual | anyone know why plugins in ~/.gstreamer-0.10/plugins aren't being recognised in etch? |
| 08:22.08 | mike1 | _rd_, depends what they are,unplug and reconnect |
| 08:22.21 | Gnea | c00lfon: imma check that after this upgrade :) |
| 08:22.34 | bushblows | /dev/hda9 == /home and it has quota support enabled ya |
| 08:22.57 | bushblows | I didnt edit fstab, i just set the partition to have quota support when installing, should I also edit fstab |
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| 08:23.10 | unnicked | hey ppl |
| 08:23.15 | _rd_ | mikel I enabled devs in fstab for a chroot, but chroot still can't see the usb |
| 08:23.21 | unnicked | i was trying to install Beryl on Debian |
| 08:23.23 | c00lfon | msingh, Hm, maybe... Atlantik(kde)? Frozen-bubble2? (perl sdl) |
| 08:23.32 | _rd_ | even after the usb are unplugged/ replugged |
| 08:23.39 | unnicked | but I had troubles launchin xorg |
| 08:23.47 | unnicked | with the modified xorg.conf |
| 08:23.51 | savar | bushblows: is the "quota" Option in fstab for /home ? |
| 08:23.54 | unnicked | with DRI |
| 08:23.59 | unnicked | and XComposition |
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| 08:24.11 | unnicked | I have an ATI, is this my problem? |
| 08:24.15 | bushblows | ah, savar thank you, no it wasnt |
| 08:24.22 | mike1 | _rd_, etch? |
| 08:24.24 | bushblows | wait nm ya it is |
| 08:24.28 | Gnea | !beryl |
| 08:24.28 | dpkg | beryl is probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
| 08:24.29 | unnicked | me etch |
| 08:24.30 | savar | _rd_: i think /sys has to be in chroot |
| 08:24.33 | msingh | what is the opinion on ubuntu? |
| 08:24.40 | bushblows | its not their, I glanced at the wrong line |
| 08:24.47 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 08:24.48 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 08:24.48 | savar | bushblows: it could be the problem but it must not ;-) |
| 08:24.51 | bushblows | loked to quick |
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| 08:25.13 | bushblows | well fstab has userquota on /dev/hda9 as an option |
| 08:25.18 | Gnea | msingh: ubuntu has a really good project team |
| 08:25.27 | unnicked | forget it |
| 08:25.30 | unnicked | other thing |
| 08:25.36 | savar | hmmm.. |
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| 08:25.51 | unnicked | why when I try to mount by default a samba folder |
| 08:25.52 | bushblows | i did apt-get install quota quotatool |
| 08:25.56 | _rd_ | savar /sys is in chroot : /sys /chroot/breezy/sys none bind 0 0 |
| 08:26.01 | unnicked | it doesn't get mounted when I start the system? |
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| 08:26.25 | Gnea | unnicked: using what 'default' method? |
| 08:26.42 | savar | bushblows: lsmod | grep quota |
| 08:26.50 | unnicked | defaults, uid=1000,umask=077,rw |
| 08:27.02 | unnicked | im 1000 |
| 08:27.03 | bushblows | returned nothing |
| 08:27.09 | savar | _rd_: ok hmm.. |
| 08:27.10 | Mithrylsword | hello, i have a problem with a .sh script , after running it says that stdout has no more space, can i do something ? |
| 08:27.11 | msingh | _rd_, breezy? isnt that some ubuntu thing? |
| 08:27.12 | Gnea | gid? |
| 08:27.24 | savar | bushblows: modprobe -l | grep quota |
| 08:27.27 | unnicked | don't know |
| 08:27.31 | _rd_ | yeah, but it uses deb system |
| 08:27.32 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: read the script |
| 08:27.39 | unnicked | how can I see my gid? |
| 08:27.46 | Gnea | id |
| 08:27.47 | Mithrylsword | Gnea , you mean you want me to paste it to you ? |
| 08:27.47 | unnicked | by bash? |
| 08:27.55 | savar | unnicked: "id" |
| 08:27.56 | bushblows | /lib/modules/2.4.27-3-386/kernel/fs/quota_v2.o |
| 08:27.59 | unnicked | gid=1000 |
| 08:28.17 | savar | modprobe quota_v2 |
| 08:28.17 | _rd_ | yes and uses deb system |
| 08:28.30 | savar | sd |
| 08:28.31 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: no. i would have said use a paster site. read it. |
| 08:28.45 | unnicked | Gnea: but, the weirdest thing is, that when I type 'mount -a' all mouts ok |
| 08:28.51 | bushblows | warning loading /lib/modules/etc. will taint the kernel: no license |
| 08:28.52 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: add set +x to the beginning |
| 08:28.54 | unnicked | so, wat da hell is goin on? |
| 08:29.07 | bushblows | module quotav2 loaded with warnings |
| 08:29.12 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: what does set +x do ? |
| 08:29.21 | _rd_ | msingh thought #debian would be better in answering this q as #ubuntu haven't been able to solve it |
| 08:29.22 | savar | bushblows: "dmesg | tail -n 4" |
| 08:29.24 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: turns on verbosity/debugging |
| 08:29.36 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: the manpage of bash should explain it |
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| 08:29.48 | Gnea | or any online documentation |
| 08:29.49 | bushblows | pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 |
| 08:29.49 | bushblows | eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1 |
| 08:29.49 | bushblows | cdrom: open failed. |
| 08:29.49 | bushblows | eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1 |
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| 08:30.02 | Gnea | !paster |
| 08:30.02 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:30.13 | bushblows | sorry, forgot about that |
| 08:30.29 | msingh | _rd_, cool, just be aware people dont always like that |
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| 08:30.51 | bushblows | yam, I usually dont paste that way |
| 08:30.54 | bushblows | ya* |
| 08:30.55 | _rd_ | msingh thanks for the friendly warning |
| 08:30.55 | savar | bushblows: hmm.. no errors about quota? |
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| 08:30.57 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: script is used for clearing folder that stores IMAP account data, i cant run script now to get debugging info cous its worktime and ppl use that imao , i was hoping for someone to read it and help me a bit with a solution |
| 08:31.01 | Gnea | bushblows: don't worry about it |
| 08:31.10 | bushblows | ok sweet, thank you guys very much |
| 08:31.21 | unnicked | Gnea: . . . |
| 08:31.24 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: ok, paste it someplace |
| 08:31.29 | unnicked | please, could u help me |
| 08:31.30 | unnicked | ??? |
| 08:31.34 | Gnea | unnicked: have you read the samba howto? |
| 08:31.51 | unnicked | ehh, that's my problem, I never read how-tos |
| 08:31.55 | unnicked | I'll read it |
| 08:31.57 | unnicked | :D |
| 08:32.03 | Gnea | maybe you should ;) |
| 08:32.16 | liable | samba wont mount from fstab at boot, mountall is run before networking.. |
| 08:32.35 | liable | surely theres a workaround it out there somewhere |
| 08:32.36 | Gnea | aaah |
| 08:32.38 | unnicked | ok |
| 08:32.54 | jetscreamer | !beg |
| 08:32.55 | unnicked | *fix: delete it at fstab |
| 08:32.56 | Gnea | but networking won't run without all volatile volumes mounted |
| 08:32.58 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 08:33.13 | jetscreamer | !whine |
| 08:33.13 | dpkg | i heard whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 08:33.44 | unnicked | lazyness, the worstest thing ever |
| 08:33.49 | Gnea | what about adding mountall a second time in init? |
| 08:33.50 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11471/ |
| 08:34.05 | liable | unnicked: or run mount -a in a rc.local or something, i would be surprised if there isnt a real workaround somewhere |
| 08:34.31 | unnicked | sure, but, where is rc.local? |
| 08:34.33 | unnicked | :S |
| 08:34.36 | unnicked | im new on this |
| 08:34.36 | liable | shit, i had to hack that two years ago, surely someones fixed it by now.. |
| 08:34.44 | liable | unnicked: you have etch? |
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| 08:34.47 | unnicked | yes |
| 08:34.58 | liable | in /etc/rc.local |
| 08:35.27 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: oh my.... |
| 08:35.32 | smacher | under synaptic, i notice i have linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 while the one currently installed is 2.6.17-2-686. if i want to upgrade the kernel, should i just install the 2.6.18? will i then have two versions of the kernel? |
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| 08:35.44 | liable | yep |
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| 08:36.02 | unnicked | ok, so it is executed when all the crap is loaded, isn't it? |
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| 08:36.26 | smacher | liable: the 'yep' for me? |
| 08:36.29 | litage | why would ``apt-get upgrade'' say that these packages are being kept back?: bind9-host clamav clamav-freshclam dnsutils libbind9-0 libisccfg1 x11-common |
| 08:36.33 | liable | smacher: yes |
| 08:36.33 | unnicked | :S |
| 08:36.34 | unnicked | ok |
| 08:36.38 | unnicked | c ya |
| 08:36.39 | unnicked | thanks |
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| 08:36.56 | liable | unnicked: rc.local is run almost last in rc2 |
| 08:37.01 | liable | meh |
| 08:37.11 | smacher | liable: what about on the grub's menu.lst? do i have to manually update it? |
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| 08:37.28 | liable | smacher: nope, all automagic, just reboot into the new one |
| 08:38.04 | smacher | liable: later on, if i am happy with the new kernel, i can uninstall the old version, via synaptic? |
| 08:38.12 | liable | sure |
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| 08:39.22 | smacher | liable: besides the kernel, i have install the headers too, right? |
| 08:39.45 | liable | smacher: if you want to compile outside modules for it, yes |
| 08:39.48 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: any help ? |
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| 08:39.55 | smacher | liable: thks. |
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| 08:39.56 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: working on it... |
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| 08:40.13 | Mithrylsword | Gnea ! gratefull i am |
| 08:42.38 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: what is the point of -mtime +7 and -print0? |
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| 08:42.55 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: deletes files older than a week |
| 08:43.06 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: and -print0? |
| 08:43.26 | Inf3rn0 | I have an AMD64 netinst cd, but it won't detect my nics. I have two marvell card on a MSI K8N neo4 motherboard. Anyone know how to make one of them work? |
| 08:43.31 | litage | does apt hold back a package if upgrading it requires the installation of a new package? |
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| 08:43.43 | Mithrylsword | that and rest of command takes care if i have a 2 part file name so it's not interpreted as 2 files |
| 08:43.52 | Kronuz | has anyone used dmraid in debian? |
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| 08:44.26 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 08:44.27 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 08:44.45 | liable | litage: dude, you should now about that by now.. (the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade) |
| 08:44.53 | Kronuz | I'm getting some errors when I try to boot from my RAID array |
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| 08:45.09 | Kronuz | "Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block...." |
| 08:45.29 | Kronuz | the sda1 is just disk one in my RAID array |
| 08:45.45 | Gnea | Kronuz: software or hardware raid? |
| 08:45.52 | savar | bushblows: all ok now? |
| 08:45.53 | liable | Kronuz: what debian version you got? dmraid or mdadm? |
| 08:45.55 | Kronuz | and it looks like if it was trying to boot from there instead of booting from the RAID |
| 08:46.05 | Kronuz | liable, I got RC2 |
| 08:46.11 | Kronuz | Gnea, FakeRAID |
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| 08:46.22 | liable | wasnt dmraid deprecated ages ago? |
| 08:46.37 | Chris_abyi | hey! how can I install a program (e.g. imagemagick) with apt-get install to another directory than usr/bin/ ? |
| 08:46.46 | Gnea | Kronuz: i said software or hardware, sorry, no help from me any further. |
| 08:47.01 | Kronuz | Gnea, FakeRAID which is software |
| 08:47.02 | bushblows | Saar, yup quota is working perfectly |
| 08:47.03 | bushblows | thank you |
| 08:47.26 | Guerin | Chris_abyi: it's a bit more complicated than that. WHat are you trying to do? |
| 08:47.27 | Kronuz | Gnea, half and I half actually, I suppose |
| 08:47.27 | savar | bushblows: ok :) |
| 08:47.38 | Guerin | Chris_abyi: short answer: use dpkg's --root= option |
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| 08:47.54 | Kronuz | (I'm not entirely sure, but I've read it's software managed) it's NVIDIA nForce4 RAID |
| 08:47.55 | Guerin | Chris_abyi: however that won't work unless you know very well what you're doing |
| 08:48.18 | Gnea | aaaaah |
| 08:48.26 | liable | Kronuz: take the faulty disk out of the array and run a fsck on it |
| 08:48.38 | Chris_abyi | Guerin: I'm trying to set-up "gallery2" which needs to have access on the imagemagick files IN A DIRECTORY. Because I'm running a apache2 server here, I want it to install somewhere else than usr/bin so all binaries are situated in one directory and can be accessed by gallery2 |
| 08:48.57 | Kronuz | liable, there's no faulty disk, I'm using the disks in the array right now |
| 08:49.07 | Kronuz | (but from Ubuntu) |
| 08:49.12 | liable | Kronuz: then you dont have io errors |
| 08:49.16 | Gnea | Chris_abyi: no need, gallery2 can find them just fine in /usr/bin |
| 08:49.26 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 08:49.26 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 08:49.32 | Guerin | Chris_abyi: why can gallery2 not find them in /usr? |
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| 08:49.41 | Mithrylsword | Gnea:any luck with script ? |
| 08:49.43 | Chris_abyi | ok but then I will need to change it's permissions. how can I get an insight which binaries imagemagick contains? |
| 08:49.46 | Kronuz | liable, well, that's what it says, I suppose it's 'cause it's trying to use the /dev/hda1 as if it was a regular drive, not a RAID |
| 08:49.46 | Guerin | Chris_abyi: and you should be using symbolic links for that |
| 08:49.50 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: sort of... still working on it :) |
| 08:49.57 | Kronuz | (part of a RAID) |
| 08:49.59 | Guerin | Chris_abyi: dpkg -L imagemagick |
| 08:49.59 | Mithrylsword | ok, sorry for beeing boring |
| 08:50.03 | Mithrylsword | i lost all night on it |
| 08:50.10 | liable | Kronuz: disk io errors are usually fairly serious |
| 08:50.14 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: i multitask sometimes in order to fix things |
| 08:50.34 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: however long it takes you ,help is apreciated |
| 08:50.40 | Kronuz | liable, most likely it's a software error this time |
| 08:50.52 | Kronuz | like if it wasn't loading dmraid or something |
| 08:50.52 | Chris_abyi | Guerin: okay... now I got all informations I needed. thank you. Where should I use symbolic links? |
| 08:50.55 | liable | Kronuz: i dont think so, but good luck |
| 08:51.11 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: i'm not sure why it's printing that error, but then i'm also curious - is the script actually removing the mail? |
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| 08:51.25 | Guerin | Chris_abyi: anywhere you want ... i don't see why you need them, but if you need to put them all in a dir for g2, puut them there |
| 08:51.29 | Mithrylsword | Gnea,it is not, runs out of space in mid of process |
| 08:51.30 | quitte | i'm having lots of trouble making an initramfs. I used the klibc-utils. the script just mounts /dev/mtdblock1 to /sysroot, then : exec run-init /sysroot /sbin/init. is there anything wrong with that? |
| 08:51.35 | Mithrylsword | so it does nothing |
| 08:51.41 | Chris_abyi | okay. you're right. |
| 08:51.43 | Chris_abyi | fine, thank you. |
| 08:51.44 | Mithrylsword | it tars mails, when it should delete, breaks |
| 08:52.04 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: okay - sounds like a memory management issue |
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| 08:52.29 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: system has 512Mb of ram, mostly free, huge swap, lots of place on HDD |
| 08:52.51 | Guerin | since when did tar have memory issues/> |
| 08:52.52 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:52.53 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: how much space is used in the cur/ dir? |
| 08:53.00 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: 690Mb |
| 08:53.11 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: is /var on its own partition? |
| 08:53.46 | Gnea | Guerin: i don't think it's tar |
| 08:53.47 | quitte | bah. i guess there are no more than a handful of people that understand initramfs |
| 08:53.57 | Mithrylsword | Gnea,it's not |
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| 08:54.08 | Gnea | quitte: possibly. even i don't understand it fluently lol |
| 08:54.24 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: are there any other partitions other than /? |
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| 08:55.11 | Guerin | ooh, that reminds me! |
| 08:55.12 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: on that disk ? yes |
| 08:55.23 | Guerin | i need to set up the mighty mighty backup scripteroonie |
| 08:55.25 | quitte | Gnea: did you see anything wrongwith my example above? the behaviour of it is most strange. when the initramfs is empty everything is fine. if it is as above a module fails to load later in the init process - after root was mounted perfectly fine. |
| 08:55.42 | DawnLight | okay now for the printing part! anyone have experience with an HP Officejet? How do i set up printing in here? help.... ? |
| 08:55.46 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: okay, is /home on its own partition? also, are you running any sort of virus/spyware scan on the mail before it's archived? how about a spam check? |
| 08:56.15 | Avochelm | I went to install ckermit and found it to be non-free and installed gkermit instead. Will gkermit still be able to connect to a serial device and open a terminal for it? |
| 08:56.26 | Guerin | !htfswk Avochelm |
| 08:56.27 | dpkg | Avochelm: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 08:56.29 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: home is on its own partition, no AV/AS tools running, only other active thing on that server is apache |
| 08:56.34 | Gnea | quitte: yeah, that makes sense - without / partition mounted, the kernel can't read the modules |
| 08:56.55 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: so you're potentially backing up spam and viruses? |
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| 08:57.04 | quitte | Gnea: but the module problem happens after the run-init |
| 08:57.07 | Mithrylsword | Gnea, that is not an issue, and yes |
| 08:57.57 | maddash | htfswk is Guerin-ese for "clarify," I think |
| 08:58.05 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: okay, i won't ask about anything further then on that bit... what's the total size of the / partition and how much space is free before the tarfile is created? |
| 08:58.26 | litage | thanks liable |
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| 08:58.38 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: 300Gb part. size, 80% free |
| 08:59.24 | quitte | i also don'T get why pivot_root is in the klibc-utils. isn't it entirely useless with initramfs? i guess I'll give it a try,though |
| 08:59.25 | DawnLight | people, really, even point me to a tutorial or whatever. i want to set up printing |
| 09:00.05 | quitte | DawnLight: you could try to install and run printconf |
| 09:00.23 | quitte | DawnLight: www.linuxprinting.org |
| 09:00.26 | markybob | DawnLight, what are you using? gnome? |
| 09:00.36 | DawnLight | kde |
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| 09:01.19 | markybob | DawnLight, http://printing.kde.org/ |
| 09:01.30 | DawnLight | which is it |
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| 09:02.06 | markybob | whichever you want. one will show you cups and one will show you kde gui. the end result is the same |
| 09:02.27 | markybob | (because kde gui uses cups) |
| 09:03.08 | DawnLight | and this should be fairly simple i hope |
| 09:03.10 | Gnea | quitte: i just re-read scrollback and i'm afraid i don't know initramfs well enough to be able to answer your question. someone else might know. |
| 09:03.53 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: silly question: why /var/log and not /var/backup? :) |
| 09:04.31 | Mithrylsword | Gnea, all the same to me , we can change dir .. |
| 09:04.44 | maddash | this is odd: I usually don't use eth1 (my wireless radio), so i specifically blacklist ipw2200. if i modprobe ipw2200, eth1 comes online and all goes well. however, if I modprobe -r ipw2200, then re-modprobe it back into the kernel, ifconfig -a does not detect eth1; eth1, for all purposes, does not exist -- why? |
| 09:05.08 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: hehe, it's just a small thing - i prefer not to cross boundaries if i can help it |
| 09:05.17 | Gnea | it tends to cause more problems than it's worth |
| 09:05.40 | Mithrylsword | :) |
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| 09:10.09 | Kronuz | hey, just after loading the kernel, what does linux do? |
| 09:10.27 | savar | Kronuz: init |
| 09:10.46 | Kronuz | I mean it loads vmlinuz and then initrd |
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| 09:10.58 | Kronuz | savar, is initrd what you mean by init? |
| 09:11.11 | Kronuz | and what files does that involve...? |
| 09:11.23 | Kronuz | for instance, kernel modules, when are those loaded? |
| 09:11.34 | savar | Kronuz: no i mean /sbin/init which starts runlevel S scripts |
| 09:11.39 | Kronuz | 'cause I'm getting a "Waiting for root file system ..." |
| 09:12.04 | Kronuz | and I'm guessing that's because it hasn't loaded the dmraid module |
| 09:12.08 | maddash | hmm, dmesg returns, "ipw2200: Unable to load ucode: -22" --- odd, because the firmware works the first time around |
| 09:12.30 | Kronuz | savar, (and thus it can't mount my /dev/mapper/nvidia_ifisomething1 drive) |
| 09:12.30 | savar | Kronuz: if you have a initrd then in the script in the initrd (module loading) |
| 09:13.12 | savar | maddash: what do you mean |
| 09:13.16 | savar | ? |
| 09:13.38 | Kronuz | savar, nope, I don't have that file (but neither in Ubuntu and dmraid works find in Ubuntu) |
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| 09:14.17 | Kronuz | savar, and I can't see the dmesg as it's never written nor amything ('cause the drive can't be mounted) |
| 09:14.20 | maddash | savar: in the following order: `modprobe ipw2200; modprobe -r ipw2200; modprobe ipw2200` <---- tthe second modprobe doesn't bring up eth1 like the first one does. |
| 09:14.22 | Kronuz | so it just hangs there :( |
| 09:14.32 | Kronuz | "waiting the root file system" |
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| 09:14.56 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 09:15.12 | Gnea | godamnit, is there a way to get aptitude to NOT remove packages when doing an upgrade? |
| 09:15.22 | Kronuz | savar, I'm guessing it's that it isn't loading the dmraid kernel module even when I installed it already |
| 09:15.40 | gypsymauro | I'm builind a xdmcp capable server, and I want to build some x terminals on old pc, I've found thinstation.sf.net but the projects seems dead, there are other solutions? |
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| 09:15.46 | Kronuz | but I can't figure out where to add the lines to make the kernel load it |
| 09:16.02 | gypsymauro | except LTSP I don't like it |
| 09:16.15 | Coweater | Kronuz: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 09:16.16 | Kronuz | savar, I have a /etc/init.d/dmraid tho' |
| 09:16.23 | Kronuz | Coweater, yep |
| 09:16.34 | jm|laptop | gypsymauro: freenx? |
| 09:16.52 | Kronuz | Coweater, vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 09:17.06 | jm|laptop | gypsymauro: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/freenx.htm |
| 09:17.41 | savar | Kronuz: when you need mdraid loaded to mount the root fs then it has to be loaded from the script _in_ the initrd |
| 09:18.12 | Kronuz | how or when is dmraid loaded then? |
| 09:18.35 | Kronuz | in the /etc/initrd file? |
| 09:19.07 | gypsymauro | jm|laptop: I can build something that boots via pxe with that? I'll read now:) |
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| 09:19.22 | jm|laptop | um |
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| 09:19.35 | Kronuz | I wonder why I don't have that file in Ubuntu ... |
| 09:19.54 | jm|laptop | well sure, you can do some sort of pxe diskless that ultimately invokes the nxclient, I guess |
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| 09:20.10 | Kronuz | savar, and it's weird that it needs to have dmraid in initrd when initrd is inside the drive that needs dmraid to be mounted o_O? |
| 09:20.14 | Gnea | Kronuz: maybe because ubuntu is NOT debian? this was explained earlier. |
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| 09:20.55 | Gnea | Kronuz: this issue obviously falls under the support of #ubuntu. I tried informing you of this earlier, yet you thought that I was wrong. |
| 09:21.13 | Kronuz | I'm using debian, not ubuntu |
| 09:21.30 | Gnea | you just said you're using ubuntu |
| 09:21.34 | savar | Kronuz: not so weird because the kernel and the initrd is loaded directly without looking on filesystems.. |
| 09:21.39 | Mithrylsword | Gnea: so , no luck ? |
| 09:21.45 | Gnea | 02:19 < Kronuz> I wonder why I don't have that file in Ubuntu ... |
| 09:22.07 | Kronuz | Gnea, I was just comparing how Ubuntu did it ('cause I can't get it running in Debian) |
| 09:22.18 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: well i'm trying to get the script up onto a paste site without X and javascript.... and the curl method is so far not so good... |
| 09:22.25 | streuner | Kronuz: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:22.35 | Mithrylsword | Gnea, freely pmsg me .. |
| 09:23.07 | Kronuz | streuner, right now in my Ubuntu box, 'cause I can't get debian working |
| 09:23.08 | Gnea | Mithrylsword: okay |
| 09:23.23 | streuner | Kronuz: #ubuntu |
| 09:23.30 | Kronuz | arghh! |
| 09:23.39 | Kronuz | I'm not trying to make ubuntu work! |
| 09:23.51 | DawnLight | streuner whats up with that |
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| 09:24.10 | DigitalOktay | Hi Channel |
| 09:24.34 | Kronuz | savar, but isn't initrd a file in /etc/ ? |
| 09:24.50 | markybob | today marks a full year that i havent gotten laid. sigh. |
| 09:24.58 | Kronuz | savar, how can it be loaded from a RAID drive before the RAID gets detected? |
| 09:25.05 | Gnea | 02:24 -!- There is no such nick channel |
| 09:25.18 | Gnea | markybob: that's it? |
| 09:26.12 | markybob | Gnea, ...yes. i think it's far too long |
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| 09:26.34 | Gnea | markybob: you don't know nothin'... i went over 3 years without getting any |
| 09:26.55 | ajdlinux | anyone know whether takeshi's PS3 Debian Installer is affected by the key rollover? |
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| 09:27.27 | Gnea | there's a PS3 debian installer? ... key rollover? |
| 09:27.34 | markybob | Gnea, no offense, but i'm glad i'm not you |
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| 09:27.49 | ajdlinux | Gnea: yes there is |
| 09:27.56 | Gnea | markybob: sure |
| 09:28.22 | ajdlinux | Gnea: http://www.keshi.org/moin/moin.cgi/PS3/Debian/Installer |
| 09:28.33 | njkt | hey markybob: have you had any trouble getting ndiswrapper to build with the new 2.6.20.3 kernel? i'm getting http://rafb.net/p/VvgMEJ40.html |
| 09:28.35 | Gnea | markybob: yeah, i'm pretty much doomed unless i can make things happen this year |
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| 09:29.27 | Kronuz | savar, hmm... so I'll have to build a new initrd image? |
| 09:29.36 | markybob | njkt, built fine for me. but i didnt use m-a...i just downloaded from ndiswrapper's site |
| 09:29.41 | Kronuz | (after adding dmraid to it, or something) |
| 09:29.58 | njkt | markybob: did you download/build the source or did they provide a binary |
| 09:30.17 | markybob | built it |
| 09:30.24 | quitte | ist here a way to extract the initramfs cpio archive from the kernel? |
| 09:30.37 | njkt | ah, k... i guess i'll remove the installed versions and try to build it instead |
| 09:31.02 | markybob | njkt, try this one in particular http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93482&package_id=167243&release_id=494701 |
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| 09:31.15 | njkt | ok |
| 09:31.34 | maddash | ughhhhhhhh it's a bug! |
| 09:31.47 | markybob | on your pillow? |
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| 09:31.57 | maddash | on my wireless! |
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| 09:32.15 | maddash | darn it, now I have to migrate to 2.6.20 |
| 09:32.27 | Gnea | ah ha! needed to restart mysql... now upgrade can continue |
| 09:32.34 | markybob | hopefully at a .3 to the end of that |
| 09:32.50 | JJ|Laptop | does anyone use cacti? |
| 09:32.53 | DigitalOktay | #soundgeneration |
| 09:33.13 | Gnea | maddash: wireless? |
| 09:33.33 | maddash | Gnea: my ipw2200 bug. it's documented here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/42387 |
| 09:34.00 | Gnea | maddash: ubuntu? |
| 09:34.10 | Gnea | !dbugs 42387 |
| 09:34.14 | dpkg | DONE:#42387:N[stalin] stalin: "This should not happen" on a simple source file; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:18:37 UTC |
| 09:34.14 | markybob | did debian move to launchpad? |
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| 09:34.24 | Gnea | LOL |
| 09:34.41 | savar | Kronuz: yes i think so.. there ist a file where you can put in the names of the modules which should be in the initrd.. |
| 09:34.42 | Gnea | markybob: no, some people don't know how to respect boundaries. |
| 09:34.43 | maddash | Gnea: acpi/ipw2200 has nothing to do with choice of distro |
| 09:34.49 | savar | have a look at google |
| 09:35.09 | Gnea | maddash: i beg to differ. |
| 09:35.23 | Gnea | maddash: then again, it could be kernel-level |
| 09:35.53 | maddash | Gnea: his 2nd or 3rd post did help me "fix" the problem |
| 09:36.04 | Gnea | oh ok cool |
| 09:36.20 | Gnea | maddash: nevermind then :) |
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| 09:37.09 | markybob | i sometimes wonder if cops are ever in #debian spying on us. figure the US government spends money everywhere else, so why not |
| 09:37.31 | maddash | b/c #debian is trivial? |
| 09:38.27 | maddash | wrt whatever else the gov spies on? |
| 09:38.30 | liable | unlikely they would, not as if theres anything of much interest to cops going on in here |
| 09:38.35 | Gnea | markybob: they're everywhere |
| 09:38.50 | maddash | ignorance is bliss! |
| 09:38.54 | maddash | war is peace! |
| 09:38.57 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 09:38.59 | maddash | love is hate! |
| 09:39.39 | Gnea | i like that song by morchiba.... o/~ fear can stop your loving.... love can stop your fear... o/~ |
| 09:39.44 | maddash | debian is gentoo! |
| 09:39.50 | liable | oh yeah, reading #debian logs would be riveting for law enforcement |
| 09:40.19 | Gnea | liable: especially when they believe everything they read at face value |
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| 09:40.24 | markybob | i fought in the military, deployed twice into war, and later worked as a contractor to uncle same. bascially afterall of that, i really dont have very many nice things to say |
| 09:40.27 | liable | but then again, maybe i'm a cia agent!? |
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| 09:40.33 | markybob | s/same/sam |
| 09:40.49 | maddash | s/afterall/after all/ |
| 09:41.09 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:41.09 | dpkg | < RichiH> stable is for masochist fetishists with serverphobia ;) |
| 09:41.17 | markybob | c'mon, at&t and nsa. listen to this you bitchs! |
| 09:41.22 | markybob | lol, now i'm just having fun |
| 09:41.32 | maddash | s/bitchs/bitches/ |
| 09:41.59 | maddash | s/very many/many/ |
| 09:42.03 | Gnea | markybob: i've remained in the private sector for my whole life. the closest i ever got was a data entry contract position for a space agency supplier |
| 09:42.10 | maddash | s/markybob/bored veteran/ |
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| 09:42.46 | k31th | is there a cron.min in debian? |
| 09:43.00 | markybob | maddash, not really bored. more like pissed off. they stopped paying for my pills cuz i'm not "disabled enough" |
| 09:43.19 | maddash | pills...? |
| 09:43.41 | Gnea | markybob: i have all sorts of unkind things I could say about them all, including the military. but i'm sure that they have equally unpleasent things to say about me as well. |
| 09:43.57 | Gnea | it's therefore pointless |
| 09:44.03 | k31th | guys is there a cron.min :D |
| 09:44.19 | Gnea | i don't know, did you search for it? |
| 09:44.23 | tarzeau | k31th: find /etc/ -name "cron.min" says no |
| 09:44.25 | maddash | truth is fiction! |
| 09:44.42 | tarzeau | drop the 2nd / |
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| 09:45.02 | k31th | I need to add some thing to cron that runs every 1 or 2 mins |
| 09:45.05 | k31th | whats the best option? |
| 09:45.18 | Gnea | maddash: perception is a matter of obsolesence. |
| 09:45.23 | tarzeau | k31th: */2 or */1, see man 5 crontab |
| 09:45.33 | Gnea | k31th: crontab -e is a good place to start |
| 09:45.50 | c00lfon | echo '*/1 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.min' >> /etc/crontab |
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| 09:48.29 | markybob | any girls in here wanna fuck all the usual dating crap and just get married right now? cuz i could be down for that at this point |
| 09:48.38 | markybob | lol |
| 09:48.56 | k31th | fuck that markybob marrage is like hell only sooner. |
| 09:49.18 | njkt | k31th: at least you'll know what to expect if you don't get into heaven :p |
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| 09:50.18 | maddash | s/any girls in here/nobody/g |
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| 09:52.52 | goban | what has more recent stuff, testing or unstable? (unstable right?) |
| 09:52.59 | njkt | unstable |
| 09:53.03 | SkippyX | Hey guys. Got debian (stable) installed on an old lappy I own - and need to install X & the gnome desktop environment via apt. the sources list is configured. apt-get install ? |
| 09:53.11 | azeem | markybob: please keep it on topic |
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| 09:53.55 | azeem | SkippyX: apt-get install x-window-system gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:54.01 | DigitalOktay | I have a Question, |
| 09:54.18 | markybob | !ask |
| 09:54.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:54.21 | maddash | !tell DigitalOktay about ask |
| 09:54.24 | badcfe | if i bring up two physical network interfaces having the same network config, what happens for outgoing packets? |
| 09:54.25 | SkippyX | azeem, will that also install gdm? |
| 09:54.38 | DigitalOktay | I want to convert my Windows Media Files in Linux. |
| 09:54.59 | jm|laptop | DigitalOktay: mencoder |
| 09:55.04 | k31th | njkt: true lol |
| 09:55.10 | badcfe | will the outgoing packets take the "first working" or some "best" interface for sending on that net? |
| 09:55.15 | DigitalOktay | is this the Convert program |
| 09:55.19 | azeem | SkippyX: yes |
| 09:55.29 | SkippyX | outstanding. Thank you, sir. |
| 09:55.35 | k31th | is there a log for cron what i just tried did not work. |
| 09:55.42 | DawnLight | it can't find my printer :-/ |
| 09:55.50 | badcfe | netstat -nr ofcourse shows the exact same entries for the two interfaces... |
| 09:56.32 | DawnLight | i've downloaded HPLIP which was what was recommended at linuxprinting.org |
| 09:57.18 | DigitalOktay | (jm|laptop): is this the convert software for Linux |
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| 09:57.33 | badcfe | if i bring up two physical network interfaces having the same network config, what happens for outgoing packets? will the outgoing packets take the "first working" or some "best" interface for sending on that net? (..netstat -nr ofcourse shows the exact same entries for the two interfaces) |
| 09:57.41 | jm|laptop | DigitalOktay: it's a transcoder - part of mplayer |
| 09:57.42 | jm|laptop | google it |
| 09:57.46 | cb__ | how do i find out what my netbios is for samba? |
| 09:57.56 | DigitalOktay | hmm ok thx |
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| 09:59.13 | dos000 | anyone knows if its possible to test .deb packages install for testing as a normal user ? i am creating .deb files and would like to test them whithout borking my machine |
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| 09:59.43 | tarzeau | dos000: usually .deb files can be uninstalled |
| 09:59.57 | tarzeau | dos000: do you do anything special in any of the scripts? generate/change any files? |
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| 10:01.05 | dos000 | tarzeau: yes .. but because this is my first time creating deb files it could be broken in so many non-uninstallable ways |
| 10:01.05 | tarzeau | dos000: try and find out? is it public? |
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| 10:01.20 | dos000 | tarzeau: its inhouse installs .. for mondaine tasks |
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| 10:02.16 | DawnLight | Renze from #kde said i should ask you guys how to download printer filters or something |
| 10:02.22 | dos000 | tarzeau: do you know gui/cli tools that magically generate deb files in the correct manner ? |
| 10:02.43 | tarzeau | dos000: no, it's manual work. there's dh_make though which helps a lot |
| 10:03.01 | tarzeau | dos000: and lintian -Ivi your.changes which helps you too |
| 10:03.14 | andreiutz | I want to instal Debian (netinstall). How can I install testing(netinst) ? |
| 10:03.25 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 10:03.26 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 10:04.40 | dos000 | tarzeau: but there is no fake root tpe of shells i could test my installs in right ? |
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| 10:05.37 | andreiutz | tarzeau, thanks |
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| 10:07.47 | tarzeau | dos000: you could use a chroot.. |
| 10:07.51 | tijn | hey all |
| 10:08.27 | tijn | how do i restart a service like postgres on old machine with a 2.2.13 kernel? |
| 10:08.45 | tarzeau | tijn: /etc/init.d/postgresql restart? |
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| 10:08.51 | tijn | nope :) |
| 10:08.53 | dos000 | tarzeau: a chroot will still detect already installed pakages on the host ? |
| 10:09.02 | tarzeau | dos000: no |
| 10:09.05 | tijn | figured that out, but that wasnt implented then |
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| 10:09.19 | tarzeau | tijn: postg* ? try finding the init.d script |
| 10:09.26 | tarzeau | tijn: pgsql* ? |
| 10:09.35 | tarzeau | tijn: dpkg -L package | grep init |
| 10:10.01 | lexual | can I confirm that etch will be releasing with glibc 2.3 |
| 10:10.23 | tijn | uh, it isnt even debian i think? what the :D |
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| 10:11.06 | dos000 | tarzeau: is there something equivalent to gentoo build script that will work on debian ? |
| 10:11.37 | tarzeau | lexual: looks like it, if that was a question |
| 10:11.44 | tarzeau | dos000: no idea |
| 10:11.48 | lexual | tarzeau: yes it was. |
| 10:12.12 | lexual | just reaized that these fluendo codecs for audio/video require glibc 2.4+ |
| 10:12.32 | dos000 | tarzeau: i am mulling over the use of php, java/ant or shell scripts for generating these deb files |
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| 10:13.24 | tarzeau | dos000: i'm very curious what kind of software you package |
| 10:13.44 | tarzeau | dos000: we also do that here w/ non-free software that we keep for ourselves. many backports, and newer software (not in debian yet) |
| 10:13.50 | tijn | its slackware |
| 10:13.52 | tijn | what the |
| 10:13.53 | tijn | :D |
| 10:14.06 | dos000 | tarzeau: its a combination of multiple open source and proprietary stuff .. |
| 10:14.23 | dos000 | tarzeau: someone must have hit the same blocks i am hitting now |
| 10:14.31 | tarzeau | dos000: can you name them please? |
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| 10:17.49 | dos000 | tarzeau: lamp , mydns, freeradius , java, ant , tomcat , oracle rac , kannel .. each is done in ad hoc manner now |
| 10:18.41 | dos000 | all is manual .. whith a check list .. plus the proprietary stuff. |
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| 10:19.16 | DawnLight | cups reckognizes it |
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| 10:20.47 | dos000 | tarzeau: what do you use now for genertaing the debs ? |
| 10:21.22 | maddash | hmmm, do i need to enable deprecated sysfs files in my 2.6.20.3 kernel config? |
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| 10:24.05 | fs-a | hi, does anyone know of a way for open office to break words into two pieces in small table cells using a dash between the two pieces? |
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| 10:25.22 | PopnPip | hello, i'm having problems logging into fluxbox with xdm - i try and login and the screen goes black and then i am back to the xdm login prompt again - however i can log in as root. I've checked XOrg log and there's nothing in there, xdm appears to be empty and there is no logs in there either |
| 10:26.04 | savar | have you ".xinitrc" in ~/ ? |
| 10:27.06 | streuner | PopnPip: why not just using xsession? |
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| 10:29.39 | PopnPip | ahh i do have xinitrc |
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| 10:30.46 | streuner | !xsession |
| 10:30.46 | dpkg | i heard xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 10:31.40 | njkt | anyone know off hand of that the consol/dialog based application is called that allows you to switch on/off init.d startup processes? |
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| 10:32.24 | PopnPip | ok thanks, let me read ;-) |
| 10:33.09 | streuner | njkt: switch on/off init.d startup? |
| 10:33.24 | streuner | njkt: man update-rc.d ? ;-) |
| 10:33.33 | njkt | streuner: no that's not it :p |
| 10:34.17 | njkt | i guess i'll be going forum diving |
| 10:34.24 | streuner | What's that hard about 'update-rc.d -f some_service remove |
| 10:34.57 | streuner | or simply to 'activate' it via 'apt-get install <package>? |
| 10:34.59 | njkt | nothing, its just this application was much more convenient |
| 10:35.14 | ake79 | i'm debian newbie. i'm trying to install php4-mysql with apt-get. but it fails because it's trying get 4.3.10-18 from updates (-> 404) when -19 is the newest. why is it not gettin the latest? |
| 10:35.45 | streuner | ake79: show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 10:35.48 | streuner | !paste |
| 10:35.48 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 10:37.37 | streuner | !tell PopnPip about root |
| 10:38.13 | ake79 | streuner: did i pasted it right? |
| 10:38.23 | streuner | PopnPip: you aren't able to talk in channel as root, btw |
| 10:38.32 | streuner | we need the URL |
| 10:38.36 | maddash | omg --- so freakin' many kernel options to set |
| 10:38.48 | ake79 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5772 |
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| 10:39.15 | streuner | ake79: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 10:39.51 | ake79 | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 10:39.54 | PopnPip | hmm as i was saying, i did as the website you gave me said, i created the .xsession and .xinitrc files with the script inside to start fluxbox however it makes no difference, i cant login as a normal user |
| 10:40.14 | mina_linux_Tux | hey i'm using debian sarge, want to know how i can detect which version of PHP i'm using , and if it's PHP4.x , how to upgrade to php5 ? thankfully |
| 10:40.15 | PopnPip | the screen flickers and goes black and then i get back to the xdm login box |
| 10:40.26 | streuner | !drxx PopnPip |
| 10:40.27 | dpkg | PopnPip: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:40.55 | streuner | mina_linux_Tux: /msg dpkg backports |
| 10:40.57 | PopnPip | streuner, but surely if i can login to fluxbox via root, it isn't the xserver, plus xdm works |
| 10:41.47 | mina_linux_Tux | streuner: so that means , sarge has php4.x ? and i have to use backports to upgrade to php5.x? |
| 10:42.06 | PopnPip | i was assuming it would be permissions somewhere but i cant see any error or permissions error in any log files |
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| 10:42.23 | streuner | mina_linux_Tux: php 5 isn't in sarge, correct |
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| 10:43.18 | SkippyX | ok - got debian (sarge), x-window-system & gnome-desktop-environment installed on my laptop. X crashes because the mouse (trackpad) isn't configured properly. I've got nano open to the configure file. input device = ? |
| 10:43.22 | SkippyX | any ideas? |
| 10:43.35 | streuner | !trackpad |
| 10:44.00 | streuner | SkippyX: try /msg dpkg laptops |
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| 10:45.47 | mike1 | lol |
| 10:46.24 | Malagmyr | make: req: Command not found <-- what package do I need to install here? |
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| 10:47.00 | ake79 | streuner: any thoughts on that libc6? |
| 10:47.08 | maddash | how come some of the menus in make menuconfig are totally blank? |
| 10:47.10 | bzed | Malagmyr: build-essential |
| 10:47.24 | mina_linux_Tux | streuner: after using apt-get sarge-backports , to get php5 how to make it the default PHP for my system , or apt-get makes this job ? |
| 10:47.51 | Malagmyr | bzed: that's installed already |
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| 10:47.57 | bzed | maddash: there's nothing to configure for that on your architecture or there's no driver in there yet |
| 10:48.20 | Malagmyr | bzed: I think it has something to do with openssl. I'm trying to run "make pem" when installing unreal ircd |
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| 10:49.03 | bzed | Malagmyr: oh sorry, I 'm not fully awake and thought you're missing make. |
| 10:49.19 | maddash | bzed: no...it should be there... |
| 10:49.33 | Malagmyr | bzed: missing something called req, apparently. I installed openssl, butthat didn't help. Dunno what to install now. |
| 10:50.11 | maddash | bzed: is it possible that the config I want isn't showing up because I disabled one or more of its dependencies? |
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| 10:51.10 | bzed | Malagmyr: req is a function of openssl |
| 10:51.43 | Malagmyr | bzed: how can that function not be found, then? the openssl command is there |
| 10:52.07 | bzed | Malagmyr: seems your makefile wants to execute req. I think it should execute openssl req |
| 10:52.19 | streuner | mina_linux_Tux: it should using php5 then, but look into /usr/share/doc/<package> as always... |
| 10:52.22 | bzed | maddash: that could be, too |
| 10:52.40 | tenzing_ | hi, what does "dpkg: warning, architecture `XXX' not in remapping table" mean while doing an apt-get install <pkg>? |
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| 10:53.58 | Malagmyr | bzed: ah. OPENSSLPATH= was empty in the makefile. I put in the path to the binary and it worked. thanks :) |
| 10:54.11 | mina_linux_Tux | streuner: what to look for , there is PHP4 and PHP5 |
| 10:54.50 | bzed | Malagmyr: np :) |
| 10:56.24 | streuner | guess |
| 10:56.48 | streuner | in such cases, just read both :-) |
| 10:57.11 | mina_linux_Tux | streuner: read what exactly |
| 10:57.48 | streuner | README.Debian |
| 10:58.05 | mike1 | !etch |
| 10:58.05 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 11:03.12 | nail` | after recompiling a 2.4 kernel, system hangs at boot with no panic message, the last message is "All bugs added by David S. Miller (davidm@redhat.com)", I really can't find out the problem, do you have ideas ? |
| 11:03.29 | njkt | streuner: found it, the program was called sysvconfig |
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| 11:04.18 | maddash | wtf? TPM and virtualization options are both blanked out in make menuconfig |
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| 11:04.42 | Crypticfortun1 | question: hitting ctrl-right control-left on the keypad works to jump between words in a normal gnome-terminal bash shell, but instead of screen it just prints C or D. how do i fix that? |
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| 11:05.18 | Crypticfortun1 | oh man, i scared dpkg away...that's not good =( |
| 11:06.05 | mina_linux_Tux | streuner: which README.Debian , security ? |
| 11:06.13 | tarzeau | mina_linux_Tux: of the package |
| 11:07.09 | mina_linux_Tux | tarzeau: i'm in side the package , and there is no more than README.Debian.security |
| 11:07.55 | Crypticfortun1 | er sorry, typo: s/instead/inside/ |
| 11:09.14 | maddash | !ext4 |
| 11:09.15 | dpkg | we have to wait until ext3 is out, you know :) |
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| 11:17.24 | njkt | hey markybob: i have ndiswrapper installed, the card shows up on the Gnome network administrator but i'm not able to access the internet with it... did you add anything other than what the ndiswrapper-wiki shows for Debian Etch? |
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| 11:24.14 | maddash | freakin' finally - finished kernel config, this thing better build properly b/c i'm going to sleep |
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| 11:27.39 | tenzing_ | hi .. is there a utility to find out the geometry of a disk inage like the cylinder, heads values etc? |
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| 11:28.14 | tenzing_ | s/inage/image |
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| 11:30.39 | liable | fdisk -l /dev/foo<n> ?? |
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| 11:38.39 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/ide/ide0/hda/geometry et al |
| 11:39.46 | Crypticfortun1 | im seriously confused. what could cause ctrl-right/ctrl-left to work properly in a normal terminal but in not in a screen? |
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| 11:40.00 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 11:40.06 | jetscreamer | define screen |
| 11:40.22 | Crypticfortun1 | jetscreamer: /usr/bin/screen |
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| 11:45.27 | lewis | clear |
| 11:45.42 | lewis | oops - what is a highmem kernel for etch with i386? |
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| 11:49.07 | lewis | rather, does linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 support highmem? |
| 11:49.12 | hark | depends on how much ram, but the 686/K7 have it |
| 11:49.45 | lewis | 1gb |
| 11:49.58 | smacnay_ | Hi, I am installing some non-deb repository apps (lame and ffmpeg) into /opt. Lame is installed but ffmpeg can't find the lame binary in opt and can't compile. Do I need to do something to my system for the configure script to find /opt/ / /lame? |
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| 11:51.13 | hrw | hi |
| 11:51.42 | hark | why not just install from debian-multimedia? |
| 11:52.10 | hrw | how to get zeroconf:/ working in debian 'sid'? "avahi-browser -av" in shell works ok |
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| 11:53.27 | dustybin | im in the middle of setting up postfix but have come to a stand still with SMTP authentication |
| 11:53.38 | dustybin | should i be using TLS or SASL ? |
| 11:53.42 | cydork | lewis: you can check with grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 11:55.52 | s | dustybin: ?? SASL is a Framework which is using TLS |
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| 11:56.00 | smacnay_ | hark: it doesn't have mencoder enabled. |
| 11:57.07 | smacnay_ | Is my issue related to the /opt not being in my path? |
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| 11:57.13 | lewis | cydork: k7 did indeed have highmem |
| 11:57.14 | lewis | thanks |
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| 11:57.47 | h3sp4wn | smacnay_: did you add /opt/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf.d |
| 11:58.00 | tijn | is there any way to reinstall a system over ssh? :) |
| 11:58.04 | n2iko | is there a howto for installing debian onto a usb hard drive? |
| 11:58.16 | smacnay_ | h3sp4wn: no, I didn't. thanks - I forgot to do that. |
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| 11:58.25 | hrw | n2iko: it does not matter how hdd is connected... |
| 11:58.31 | h3sp4wn | smacnay_: Or wherever the libraries are |
| 11:58.36 | xkalib3r | Hey there, quick question...Does anyone perhaps know the status of the creative x-fi drivers for linux? |
| 11:58.54 | n2iko | hrw: tell that to grub |
| 11:59.43 | h3sp4wn | smacnay_: have a look at ./configure --help for ffmpeg (if you are lucky there will be a --with-ffmpeg= type command |
| 11:59.52 | hrw | n2iko: thats problem of machine and how it boot |
| 12:00.00 | h3sp4wn | smacnay_: or you could get both of those from debian-multimedia.org |
| 12:00.46 | smacnay_ | h3sp4wn: I don't believe that mplayer from debian-multimedia has mencoder enabled. |
| 12:01.25 | liable | err, mencoder is a seperate package.. dont guess.. |
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| 12:03.07 | h3sp4wn | xkalib3r: All I know what is on the alsa-page (non free drivers coming in q2 2007) |
| 12:03.34 | xkalib3r | thanks hey |
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| 12:05.02 | n2iko | hrw: it's a problem with this install in a usb drive... |
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| 12:07.56 | SkippyX | Installed debian (sarge) on an old lappy (300 MHz PII, 96 megs ram). When I installed it, I had pcmcia cards in - an ethernet card and a wifi card. both are recognized. |
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| 12:08.45 | SkippyX | lspci shows "network controller: RaLink RAlink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01). |
| 12:09.20 | SkippyX | However, when I try to connect to a wifi network via the wifi card I get nothing. Everything works fine w/ the ethernet card in. |
| 12:09.33 | SkippyX | how do I configure wifi? |
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| 12:10.14 | xand | !wireless |
| 12:10.15 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or and Linksys WPC11 support: http://z.cwriter.org/index.php/wifi/Cartes/WPC11+debian+how-to |
| 12:11.17 | dustybin | does anybody know how to get postfix to authenticate SMTP using standard system users + passwords? |
| 12:11.36 | dustybin | on debian etch! |
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| 12:12.43 | dustybin | maybe this might work |
| 12:12.47 | dustybin | pwcheck_method: pam |
| 12:13.14 | Ronin | dustybin: tried in #postfix? |
| 12:13.25 | dustybin | aye ok :) |
| 12:13.27 | cvk77 | my postfix is giving me "warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling" every time i want to send mail using tls |
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| 12:13.47 | cvk77 | suddenly stopped working... anyone got an idea? |
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| 12:14.23 | s | ld /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd |
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| 12:18.34 | bzed | cvk77: you have an error in your postfix configuration |
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| 12:18.54 | bzed | cvk77: check your /var/log/mail.log, ususalyl it says where |
| 12:19.43 | cvk77 | bzed: but i didn't change anything and it worked before. the only error msg in mail.log is: |
| 12:19.51 | cvk77 | bzed: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 32708 killed by signal 11 |
| 12:19.58 | bzed | !paste |
| 12:19.58 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 12:20.07 | s | cvk77: ld /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd sayes nothing weired? |
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| 12:20.29 | cvk77 | s: it actually only says "command not found" :) |
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| 12:21.02 | bzed | s: why do you want to link smtpd ? |
| 12:21.34 | wols | hm postfix segfault |
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| 12:21.42 | s | cvk77: bzed: ups meaned "ldd ..." sorry |
| 12:21.52 | wols | cvk it seems postfix has an error in the latest verison |
| 12:22.00 | wols | you'renot the only one with that problem |
| 12:22.14 | bzed | wols: the version in etch? |
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| 12:22.24 | wols | someone else fixed it by returning to the vrsion of postfix before |
| 12:22.29 | wols | bzed: I actually didn't ask |
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| 12:22.43 | wols | same thing. postfix+tls for him |
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| 12:22.54 | bzed | because that works well on my searver |
| 12:22.59 | bzed | I've upgraded a fwe days ago |
| 12:23.06 | cvk77 | s: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5774 |
| 12:23.07 | bartden | where can i find the names of the fonts that i can use in Xterm ? |
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| 12:24.49 | pyroplasm | bartden: use xfontsel |
| 12:24.51 | cvk77 | wols k, i think i'll try to revert then |
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| 12:27.06 | bartden | pyroplasm should i just use the strings that are displayed in xfontsel as argument for xterm ? |
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| 12:28.36 | wols | bzed: do you use tls? |
| 12:28.48 | bzed | yes |
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| 12:29.23 | bzed | cvk77: which version of postfix do you have installed? |
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| 12:29.47 | cvk77 | bzed latest from testing - 2.3.8-2 |
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| 12:30.22 | pyroplasm | you might want to place it in a resources file and load it with xrdb |
| 12:31.39 | bzed | cvk77: hmm. that works for me. did you do an apt-get update and upgrade? probably the segfault happens in some library, which is updated now |
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| 12:35.56 | torrr | if I run an ftpd with 100 passive ports, can I ensure that only the ftpd uses them ports, and not other program? |
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| 12:36.40 | cvk77 | bzed yes, sure. and mysteriously imap+tls works well, it's just smtp that stopped working |
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| 12:37.09 | fireba11 | torrr: wtf? |
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| 12:39.37 | qwertz | Hi, when I do a login to one of my servers it takes several seconds (>30) to get the login prompt, I suspect that there is some kind of reverse dns lookup that fails - so is there a way to disable this feature? |
| 12:40.29 | bartden | how can i adjust the spacing between chars in my xterm, there is lots of room between following chars ? |
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| 12:42.57 | Avochelm | Hi, if you want to use BOOTP to install Debian, not run it diskless, what image do you use? Is there one available? All I have found so far is a package kernel-image-netbootable, but this does the diskless. |
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| 12:44.15 | Avochelm | ..or maybe that image can do both... |
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| 12:45.51 | bzed | cvk77: well, postfix and your imap server are totally unrelated programs |
| 12:46.08 | bzed | cvk77: you want to use strace or gdb to find out where the bug ins |
| 12:46.09 | peppe | Avochelm: you can offer the image you want via tftp |
| 12:46.34 | bzed | Avochelm: look for images here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:47.41 | cvk77 | bzed yes sure, but doesn't that at least give a hint that the tls libs aren't broken? |
| 12:47.42 | peppe | Avochelm: oh, sorry, I misunderstood. there are specific debian images for netinstall via tftp |
| 12:47.42 | Avochelm | peppe, looks like the netinst image is what i am looking for. |
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| 12:48.43 | bzed | cvk77: yes and no, there could be a function broken whih is not used by the imap server |
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| 12:49.38 | bzed | cvk77: but you should figure it out instead of guessing. it should not crash, definitely. you want to report it as bug probably. |
| 12:49.46 | bzed|afk | bbl |
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| 13:09.15 | torrr | fireba11, what? |
| 13:10.20 | hark | when? |
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| 13:13.24 | torrr | , is there some port access control that can give only the ftpd access to the passive ports |
| 13:13.57 | bartden | hi, any suggestions on a nice graphical file browser ? |
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| 13:14.43 | petemc | torrr: iptables can do uid or gid matching |
| 13:15.02 | torrr | bartden, me noobie - but there is nautilus and thunar |
| 13:15.25 | \amethyst | bartden: nautilus, gnome-commander, kfm, xnc, thunar, ... depending on what you want |
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| 13:16.15 | jelly | konqueror is using KDE |
| 13:16.19 | jelly | s/is/if/ |
| 13:17.01 | bartden | unot planning on installing kde |
| 13:17.12 | bartden | something lightweight but nice |
| 13:17.45 | \amethyst | bartden: do you prefer something like Explorer, or a two-pane setup? |
| 13:17.53 | jelly | I'm using XFCE but have no idea how lightweight Thunar is. |
| 13:17.57 | bartden | explorer like |
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| 13:19.06 | \amethyst | bartden: thunar maybe |
| 13:19.18 | \amethyst | or xfe |
| 13:19.34 | \amethyst | or nautilus, but that's a little heavy |
| 13:19.42 | \amethyst | being Gnome |
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| 13:19.54 | \amethyst | Then again, Explorer is a little heavy :) |
| 13:20.06 | bartden | :) |
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| 13:23.10 | lleoneye | hi all, anyone have an idea how to use this as repository ? http://people.debian.org/~nobse/etch/gnome2.16/ |
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| 13:25.22 | hark | just add it to your sources,list, get his key and install what you need |
| 13:25.41 | lleoneye | i mean how to write into sources.list so apt-get get all the stuff |
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| 13:26.58 | lleoneye | the standard syntax dont work becuase there is no main dir and no pool dir |
| 13:27.27 | lleoneye | etc. |
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| 13:27.58 | petemc | http://people.debian.org/~nobse/etch/gnome2.16/ ./ |
| 13:27.59 | lunitik | lleoneye: just use for instance 'deb http://somesite.org etch ./' |
| 13:28.00 | petemc | i think ... |
| 13:28.28 | lleoneye | let me try |
| 13:28.39 | lunitik | uhh... yeah... what petemc said... although I find it kinda hard to believe there isn't at least a dist defined |
| 13:30.35 | abrotman | lunitik: that's not always right |
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| 13:32.27 | lleoneye | ahh no apt-get update error |
| 13:32.29 | lleoneye | :) |
| 13:32.59 | abrotman | show us the error |
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| 13:33.45 | lleoneye | no error now |
| 13:33.55 | lleoneye | :) |
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| 13:34.46 | lleoneye | the no was not meant to be a "Ahhh Nooo!" :) |
| 13:35.23 | lleoneye | but synaptics says now : Some updates require the removal of further software. Use the function "Mark All Upgrades" of the package manager "Synaptic" or run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal to update your system completely. |
| 13:35.55 | darkskiez | in the world of udev, how are you meant to create devices like loopX or mdX that you wish to configure, because the devices dont exist yet, udev hasnt created them.... are you meant to mknod them everytime?? i cant think that that is right |
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| 13:36.43 | lleoneye | should i do that dist upgrade? |
| 13:37.07 | lleoneye | just wonder why because its still etch |
| 13:37.24 | diskus | synaptic is available in debian too? |
| 13:37.34 | lleoneye | yeah its a gnome app |
| 13:37.44 | lleoneye | its everywhere gnome is installed |
| 13:37.52 | diskus | ok |
| 13:38.11 | wols | darkskiez: you write a udev config script |
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| 13:38.19 | wols | but don't ask me how. I don't like udev and avoid it |
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| 13:38.44 | Daveman | Hello abrotman |
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| 13:38.50 | abrotman | hey |
| 13:39.19 | bellen | anyone has uses build-ca in openvpn before? |
| 13:39.46 | torrr | what do people use these days for uploading files? |
| 13:39.59 | cvk77 | torrr bittorrrent? |
| 13:40.07 | darkskiez | wols: but thats for setting up udev for existing devices.. say i want to mdadm --create /dev/md2 and only /dev/md[0-1] are populated as they exist already.. or losetup /dev/loop5 |
| 13:40.09 | petemc | scp, ftp |
| 13:40.28 | torrr | I know there is ftp,sftp,webdav |
| 13:40.38 | petemc | all of which work |
| 13:41.12 | wols | darkskiez: why does it have to be existing devices? what is a existing device? |
| 13:41.19 | torrr | petemc, is scp an ohter such thig? |
| 13:41.22 | torrr | thing |
| 13:41.30 | petemc | torrr: its like sftp |
| 13:41.31 | wols | an existing device is one that has /dev entries. after which you would need udev, would you? |
| 13:41.44 | darkskiez | wols: ones the kernel has identified already, |
| 13:41.50 | lleoneye | ok im upgrading to 2.16 via synaptics :) , lets see what will happen |
| 13:42.22 | abrotman | synaptic .. synaptics is a mouse driver |
| 13:42.30 | lleoneye | hehe true |
| 13:42.31 | darkskiez | in this particular case i want to script losetup to set up a loop device, but udev doesnt make them... im not sure of the proper way to go about making them these days |
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| 13:43.43 | torrr | the thing is that webdav don't have a good free client for windows, and ftp is not firewall friendly and also hard to set up for vsftpd, and proftpd is not safe, and pure-ftpd works but it have some wierdness... sftp have a client problem also thought there is the filezilla |
| 13:44.14 | [g2] | freetos do you have anything to do with http://www.freertos.org ? |
| 13:44.31 | cvk77 | torrr maybe you should take a look at winscp - http://winscp.net/ |
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| 13:44.50 | wols | filezilla is usable scp client |
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| 13:45.09 | cvk77 | but comapred to winscp, filezilla is terribly bloated :) |
| 13:45.51 | abrotman | it is .. but it's a nice GUI-tool for those that aren't really CLI-compatible |
| 13:46.09 | cvk77 | hey, winscp has a nice gui too :) |
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| 13:46.40 | wols | acid_x: less than 6MB on disk and bloated? |
| 13:46.57 | wols | and no mem hog either |
| 13:47.02 | torrr | cvk77, scp is sftp? |
| 13:47.06 | eisen_ | I tend to use konqueror mostly. It's really nice with the kioslaves with any protocol |
| 13:47.06 | wols | I don't want to ask what you say about any version of ffox |
| 13:47.11 | cvk77 | torrr supports scp and sftp |
| 13:47.32 | lunitik | abrotman: yeah... I went to apt-get.org, and a few examples don't have a dist... weird |
| 13:47.38 | torrr | does it resume broken uploads? |
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| 13:48.23 | knight | hi is it possible to call BIOS service routines through gcc? |
| 13:48.41 | wols | not really |
| 13:48.46 | wols | you'd have to go back to realmode |
| 13:49.03 | wols | the kernel does it for some acpu/apm stuff IIRC |
| 13:49.07 | wols | what do you want to do? |
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| 13:50.13 | wols | *acpi |
| 13:50.13 | knight | wols i wanted to check some assembly language programs |
| 13:50.13 | wols | if they use BIOS they're probably based |
| 13:50.13 | wols | get dosbox |
| 13:50.14 | wols | *probably DOS based |
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| 13:50.50 | amee2k | hope that annoying low memory error will be removed when current testing becomes stable |
| 13:51.20 | eisen_ | low memory error? |
| 13:51.53 | amee2k | i decided to try testing recently and i get a 'can only do low memory mode install' from the netinst disk |
| 13:51.57 | torrr | is there an sftp applet? |
| 13:52.08 | amee2k | i never get that with current stable |
| 13:52.20 | eisen_ | hm, I never use the installers |
| 13:52.35 | knight | wols linux doesnt use bios routines or interrupts? |
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| 13:52.51 | wols | knight: what for? |
| 13:52.58 | amee2k | knight: virtually no protected mode os uses the BIOS anymore |
| 13:53.00 | wols | as I said: acpi/apm is used via BIOS code |
| 13:53.11 | wols | amee2k: all of them still do |
| 13:53.40 | amee2k | when? |
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| 13:54.33 | lleoneye | ok brb |
| 13:54.33 | wols | up to now |
| 13:54.48 | amee2k | except for the boot loader most things today can be done over I/O memory |
| 13:55.00 | wols | they need BIOS on startup for thing about "how much memory do we have" and as I said for acpi/apm |
| 13:55.21 | wols | most of BIOS is not used of course |
| 13:55.54 | amee2k | so no vital systems after the boot loader is done |
| 13:56.28 | wols | again: wrong. my bootloader is grub. not linux |
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| 13:56.53 | wols | and acpi is used long after your "bootloader" runs |
| 13:57.16 | eisen_ | it's used for irq mapping afaik. |
| 13:57.27 | amee2k | and grub knows how much memory is available and supplies a memory map to the kernel |
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| 13:57.41 | wols | amee2k: how? |
| 13:57.45 | GiabboO | wols, hi |
| 13:58.01 | GiabboO | wols, I installed the kmuto |
| 13:58.24 | GiabboO | wols, but the base kernel it installed need the sata module i need... |
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| 13:58.39 | wols | what base kernel? |
| 13:58.46 | wols | what version of the kernel? |
| 13:58.50 | knight | but can't i print a character using a BIOS interrupt in gcc as in turboc in dos? |
| 13:58.53 | GiabboO | wols, the kernel installed from the kmuto iso cd |
| 13:58.59 | lleoneye | hey worked :) the 2.16.3 upgrade |
| 13:59.17 | wols | and it lacks the sata module you need? what do you need? |
| 13:59.19 | torrr | cvk77, istn't torrent for downloads? |
| 13:59.26 | GiabboO | i dont know yet |
| 13:59.28 | jelly | wols: [Re: grub [...] supplies a memory map to the kernel] why, using a proprietary boot-loader <-> kernel ABI! :-) |
| 13:59.28 | torrr | (not uploads) |
| 13:59.35 | amee2k | garch fuck it i can't stand the new osdev wiki |
| 13:59.42 | jelly | sorry, api |
| 13:59.44 | GiabboO | but booting from cd work good... wait i check wich modules is in use |
| 13:59.50 | darkskiez | knight: in dos the bios is used to do all the display handling, so interfacing with that works...in linux the bios is not used for display handling, so it wont work. |
| 13:59.51 | wols | jelly: ABI is fine |
| 13:59.53 | amee2k | anyways ACPI doesn't count as a vital system except for mobile devices maybe |
| 13:59.55 | lleoneye | finally no flintstones anymore |
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| 14:00.15 | lleoneye | flintstones gui i mean |
| 14:00.28 | GiabboO | mmm... |
| 14:00.41 | wols | amee2k: in this day and age? except some home desktops, all use acpi |
| 14:00.44 | jelly | wols: all the boot loaders do that because the poor kernel is uncapable of figuring out the memory map on its own! |
| 14:01.14 | wols | it saves electricity. amybe you heard that all datacenter look for ways to lower their power consumption so they don't have to buy more cooling? |
| 14:01.55 | GiabboO | wols, wich package i need to apt-get openssh ? |
| 14:02.10 | GiabboO | libssl ? |
| 14:02.20 | GiabboO | i cant find openssh on apt-cache search |
| 14:02.35 | darkskiez | The kernel assembles the system memory map from the BIOS, and this is one of the first boot messages that you’ll see: BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009f000 (usable) … BIOS-e820: 00000000ff800000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) - The real mode initialization code uses the BIOS int 0x15 service with function number 0xe820 (hence the string," BIOS-e820" in the message above) to obtain the sys |
| 14:02.40 | dustybin | what will the distro after debian etch be called? |
| 14:02.42 | wols | GiabboO: ssh |
| 14:02.45 | darkskiez | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/2671/ login with bug-me-not |
| 14:02.46 | tarzeau | dustybin: lenny |
| 14:02.47 | GiabboO | hmm |
| 14:02.51 | dustybin | haha serious |
| 14:02.57 | GiabboO | I see apt-get conf is still pointing to the cdrom |
| 14:03.18 | GiabboO | so there is no ssh in the cdrom kmuto |
| 14:03.20 | wols | GiabboO: darge has no ssh on the CDs afaik. back then it was in non-free or such |
| 14:03.21 | amee2k | wols: maybe not as power-efficient, but you can still operate without acpi and a kernel aware of the HALT instruction alone can save qute some power when idle |
| 14:03.29 | GiabboO | k |
| 14:03.40 | GiabboO | I see lot of modules in use |
| 14:03.51 | GiabboO | atiixp i think this one own my ide controller |
| 14:03.59 | wols | amee2k: lets just say any debian kernel comes with acpi/apm |
| 14:04.32 | GiabboO | wols, lspci show me I got ATI Technologies IDE and PCI |
| 14:05.35 | GiabboO | do you know wich module support this hw ? |
| 14:05.35 | eisen_ | the one that loads? |
| 14:05.35 | wols | IDE != SATA |
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| 14:05.45 | cvk77 | how can i hold a package, so it isn't upgraded automatically? |
| 14:05.52 | GiabboO | ok |
| 14:05.55 | petemc | cvk77: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 14:06.06 | cvk77 | petemc thx |
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| 14:06.11 | GiabboO | wols, modinfo tell me atiixp is the module PCI for ATI IDE etc |
| 14:06.23 | amee2k | there's your memory map you get from grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/multiboot/html_node/Boot-information-format.html#Boot-information-format << look at the mmap_* fields in the multiboot structures (flags bit 6) |
| 14:06.26 | GiabboO | how do I make it working in my deb installation ? (i am chrooted during the installation) |
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| 14:07.05 | GiabboO | i dont see any kernel source in the cd rom... |
| 14:07.20 | GiabboO | so I better get a recent kernel from kernel.org right ? |
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| 14:07.43 | jelly | !info openssh sarge |
| 14:07.48 | tarzeau | GiabboO: yep |
| 14:07.54 | VaLouille | hi |
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| 14:08.20 | GiabboO | kk |
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| 14:08.56 | codered | hi |
| 14:09.21 | wols | GiabboO: I'd look into etch if I were you actaully |
| 14:09.26 | cvk77 | n |
| 14:09.28 | streuner | tarzeau: listen to some cool music ;-) http://www.progpalaceradio.com/playing.php |
| 14:09.55 | GiabboO | i did it |
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| 14:10.06 | codered | i've got a problem: with all browsers in debian sid in most pages I can't view the apostrophe ' |
| 14:10.13 | codered | why? |
| 14:10.16 | GiabboO | i put atiixp on /etc/module, this will load the module at boottime ? |
| 14:10.26 | codered | In the options I selected my locale (ISO 8859-15) |
| 14:10.26 | GiabboO | i will rebuild my kernel later |
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| 14:10.56 | tarzeau | codered: tried links2 -g ? |
| 14:11.01 | tarzeau | codered: url? |
| 14:11.11 | tarzeau | streuner: am at work... |
| 14:11.17 | codered | tarzeau, I use swiftfox, but with iceape or iceweasel it's the same |
| 14:11.33 | codered | url: http://www.lagazzettadelmezzogiorno.it/GdM_dallapuglia_NOTIZIA_01.asp?IDNotizia=175132&IDCategoria=292 |
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| 14:12.00 | tarzeau | codered: that url works in ff 2.0.0.3 and links2 -g |
| 14:12.06 | tarzeau | codered: i don't see the ' |
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| 14:12.37 | codered | there is the ' in some words |
| 14:12.40 | codered | I can't view |
| 14:12.51 | ofer1 | I'm using rdiff-backup. I have a list of files to backup, do you know how do to backup ONLY these files ? |
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| 14:13.25 | codered | with links2 I view * instead of ' |
| 14:13.32 | tarzeau | codered: like L'operazione |
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| 14:13.48 | codered | yes |
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| 14:14.02 | tarzeau | codered: i see |
| 14:14.18 | DizZy | Hi there. i have problem with snd.azx module wich was removed from new kernels, so what should i use for cmedia on HDA intel? snd-hda-intel didn't work? |
| 14:14.36 | codered | like "l'attività investigativa" |
| 14:14.46 | codered | can you see ' ? |
| 14:15.52 | HostilePenguin | AUDIT: Thu Mar 22 10:00:23 2007: 6138 X: client 2 rejected from local host what does that mean? |
| 14:16.13 | wols | HostilePenguin: you wanted to run 2 X programs that didn't run |
| 14:16.20 | HostilePenguin | ty |
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| 14:16.30 | redduck666 | DizZy: alsaconf is your friend :) |
| 14:16.39 | tarzeau | codered: no i don't see it |
| 14:17.33 | codered | tarzeau, so ? |
| 14:17.40 | DizZy | redduck666: yes, but no sound. I need snd_azx module |
| 14:17.43 | tarzeau | codered: check the html? view source... no idea |
| 14:17.49 | codered | tarzeau, it's a web page problem that works only with IE? |
| 14:17.59 | tarzeau | codered: maybe, i don't know |
| 14:18.02 | DizZy | redduck666: snd_azx was removed from kerlen so what should i use? ;) |
| 14:18.13 | codered | I'm searching for the full compatibility with this kind of page :) |
| 14:18.15 | codered | okok |
| 14:18.16 | codered | thx |
| 14:18.31 | DizZy | redduck666: CMedia on Intel HDA |
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| 14:18.42 | DizZy | snd_hda_intel didn't works |
| 14:18.47 | freetos | etch's future verision could include beryl |
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| 14:19.04 | dimir | evil duck |
| 14:19.04 | freetos | updated version that is |
| 14:19.31 | azeem | freetos: etch won't get updates like berly |
| 14:19.33 | redduck666 | DizZy: did you *try* alsaconf? |
| 14:19.34 | azeem | eh, beryl |
| 14:19.39 | DizZy | redduck666: sure =) |
| 14:19.53 | DizZy | redduck666: alsaconf set snd_hda_intel and and_had_codec |
| 14:19.55 | DizZy | hda |
| 14:20.11 | DizZy | redduck666: in alsamixer all is ok. but no sound |
| 14:20.30 | DizZy | even cat ./something > /dev/dsp |
| 14:20.31 | freetos | anyone having problems of not being able to log out into a login screen and shutting down etch? |
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| 14:23.27 | DizZy | so i have only 2 problems - freezing with "beep" on speaker (setterm -blength 0) and no sound, so... |
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| 14:23.47 | GiabboO | ok back |
| 14:23.52 | GiabboO | I got few errors at boot time |
| 14:23.55 | GiabboO | the first one is |
| 14:24.30 | GiabboO | mount: Mounting none on /sys failed: Device is or resources busy |
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| 14:25.39 | GiabboO | /init: 1: cannot open /dev/root: No such device or address |
| 14:25.40 | GiabboO | :| |
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| 14:27.12 | kombi | apt-get installed libapache2-mod-php4, mysql-server-4.1 and php4-mysql, all ran fine and now I get "call to undefined function mysql_connect()", what might that be? |
| 14:27.38 | knight | how can i sound the attatched speaker of cpu at a required frequency? |
| 14:27.42 | stew | kombi: make sure /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini has a line: "extension=mysql.so" |
| 14:27.48 | wols | missing php4-mysql |
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| 14:28.15 | wols | knight: kernel has some driver for sound via pc speaker |
| 14:28.41 | wols | possibly by doing i/o programming too. but first look into the kernel driver |
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| 14:29.57 | DizZy | hehe this driver hands my notebook when "beep" :) |
| 14:30.07 | DizZy | snd_timer or something like |
| 14:30.32 | DizZy | even capslock didn't switch state =) |
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| 14:30.59 | kombi | stew: good point! |
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| 14:32.54 | dimir | barabansheg? |
| 14:35.14 | kombi | stew: that was exactly it! weired because php.ini came from an almost identical box only running php5, anyway, thanks a lot! |
| 14:37.00 | udarnik | does debian support SHA1 passwords via LDAP? |
| 14:37.27 | DizZy | dimir: horosho 5to ne medved |
| 14:37.32 | dimir | :-D |
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| 14:38.30 | dimir | udarnik: Doesn't sound debian specific question. Seems to me more an ldap-server issue. |
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| 14:39.03 | udarnik | it's a libpam issue, I think |
| 14:39.04 | DizZy | so can anybody answer what should i use insteed snd_azx.o? |
| 14:39.21 | dimir | snd_azx.ko! |
| 14:39.27 | dimir | Go for 2.6 man. |
| 14:39.36 | GiabboO | wols, what can I do |
| 14:39.46 | DizZy | netu tam woobshe snd_azx.* |
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| 14:39.58 | DizZy | 2.6.18-4 |
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| 14:40.26 | DizZy | oni skazali 4to ubrali modul' tipa est' zamena, a kakaya - hz |
| 14:40.39 | bzed|afk | uh english please DizZy |
| 14:40.44 | DizZy | sosu teper' na noute bez zvuka |
| 14:40.47 | dimir | DizZy: they will kick us out if we continue Russian. :-P |
| 14:40.52 | DizZy | hehe :) |
| 14:40.57 | bze | !ru |
| 14:40.58 | dpkg | well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:41.02 | DizZy | bze: okok sorry |
| 14:41.16 | DizZy | dpkg: oh thanks |
| 14:41.17 | dpkg | dizzy: that's ok |
| 14:41.29 | dimir | DizZy: what does lspci say? |
| 14:41.37 | dimir | What kind of card do you have? |
| 14:41.53 | DizZy | dimir: nothing sounds like sound device |
| 14:42.15 | bze | DizZy: paste the output of lspci into a pastebin :) |
| 14:42.22 | DizZy | only Intel High definition controller |
| 14:42.27 | dimir | DizZy: lspci -vvv | grep -i audio |
| 14:42.33 | dimir | DizZy: what does this return? |
| 14:42.35 | bze | DizZy: see, that's an audio device |
| 14:42.39 | DizZy | yes |
| 14:42.53 | bze | snd_hda_intel is the module for that one |
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| 14:43.40 | DizZy | bzeL didn't work :) |
| 14:44.06 | bzed | explain 'didn't work' DizZy |
| 14:44.13 | dimir | DizZy: version of alsa? |
| 14:44.34 | dimir | dpkg -l alsa-utils |
| 14:44.34 | dpkg | ii alsa-utils 3.9-15.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 14:44.36 | DizZy | dimir: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils today :) |
| 14:44.52 | DizZy | bzed: in lsmod but no sound |
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| 14:45.00 | jelly | !wwer |
| 14:45.01 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00012.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 14:45.21 | bzed | DizZy: start alsamixer or some other mixer util and enable the sound then :P |
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| 14:45.50 | DizZy | bzed: maybe looks like im stupid, but not wnough :) done already :) |
| 14:46.06 | DizZy | bzed: alsamixer shows Intel HDA \ Cmedia, but no sound :) |
| 14:46.23 | bzed | DizZy: did you play with all the options.. like which output to use, recognizing headphone jacks and things liek that? |
| 14:46.29 | GiabboO | I get a /dev/root error at boot time, what is happening |
| 14:46.30 | DizZy | sure |
| 14:46.58 | bzed | DizZy: you're obviusly using the right module for your soundcard, so that's either a problem with the settings or your speakers |
| 14:47.04 | freetos | how do you install a deb package from the command line? |
| 14:47.06 | dimir | GiabboO: do you have separate partitions for the system? |
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| 14:47.13 | GiabboO | nope |
| 14:47.25 | GiabboO | /dev/sda1 / |
| 14:47.34 | GiabboO | /dev/sda5 swap |
| 14:47.36 | GiabboO | stop... |
| 14:47.44 | bzed | freetos: dpkg -i packace.deb |
| 14:47.56 | DizZy | bzed: so.. found in google im not alone with it :) |
| 14:48.12 | bzed | DizZy: are you using etch? |
| 14:49.24 | DizZy | bzed: sarge with apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4 |
| 14:49.36 | dimir | DizZy: did you try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto? |
| 14:49.52 | DizZy | dimir: oh thanks |
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| 14:50.04 | dimir | Not sure it will help though. ;) |
| 14:50.07 | DizZy | =) |
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| 14:50.31 | bzed | DizZy: I'm using the same module and it works fine for me ;) i coudl just guess that the module needs more recent alsa utils to work. so you probably want to upgrade to etch ;) |
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| 14:50.45 | bzed | DizZy: but the guys in #alsa should know better about those things |
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| 14:52.04 | bzed | DizZy: err... don't do what the ubuntu things says, it'll break as soon as you upgrade your systenm |
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| 14:52.24 | DizZy | hmhm |
| 14:52.26 | DizZy | ok got to go |
| 14:52.32 | bzed | DizZy: you should either backport the alsa utils from etch you look if there're alsa utils at backports.org or jsut upgrade to etch |
| 14:52.46 | DizZy^NA | bzed: ok will try :) |
| 14:52.46 | bzed | DizZy^NA: i'd suggest the upgrade to etch |
| 14:52.47 | DizZy^NA | bye |
| 14:52.53 | bzed | godo luck |
| 14:52.58 | bzed | *good |
| 14:53.02 | DizZy^NA | :) |
| 14:53.05 | bzed | !tell DizZy^NA about sarge->etch |
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| 14:53.26 | HostilePenguin | what is framebuffer |
| 14:53.28 | jay | how do you fix broken /dev/dsp? |
| 14:53.35 | DizZy^NA | bzed: tnx |
| 14:53.52 | GiabboO | dimir, i think something is wrong on my initrd |
| 14:54.03 | DizZy^NA | HostilePenguin: it's thing which can do vga=0x31a :) |
| 14:54.13 | stew | jay: what makes you say it is broken? |
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| 14:54.17 | stew | jay: are you using alsa? |
| 14:54.31 | jay | I don't... Alien Ware says its broken when it's starting up, I have no sound in the game |
| 14:55.07 | jay | I do use alsa |
| 14:55.27 | jay | But from what I've heard... the game uses oss or dsp or something like that |
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| 14:55.50 | dimir | There is oss emulation support in alsa now. |
| 14:55.50 | jay | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-03-21 21:27 /dev/dsp |
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| 14:56.05 | stew | jay: try "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" |
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| 14:56.51 | dimir | Sorry, backward, alsa simulatin in oss. :-) oss in alsa has been there for a long time. |
| 14:56.57 | jay | there's a snd-pcm, but no snd-pcm-oss |
| 14:57.10 | stew | jay: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:57.19 | jay | are the permissions on /dev/dsp right |
| 14:57.23 | stew | jay: yes |
| 14:57.26 | wols | yes they are right |
| 14:57.32 | jay | 2.6.17.10-386 |
| 14:57.35 | rgsteele | Anybody know of a good way to determing how much disk i/o a process is using? |
| 14:57.38 | bzed | you need to be in the group audio, though |
| 14:57.40 | HostilePenguin | is there more than one framebuffer? |
| 14:57.42 | stew | jay: where is that kernel from? ubuntu? |
| 14:57.47 | rgsteele | s/determing/determining/ |
| 14:57.50 | jay | yeah :) |
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| 14:58.04 | stew | jay: please go to #ubuntu for questions about ubuntu |
| 14:58.05 | bzed | !lart jay |
| 14:58.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html |
| 14:58.17 | azeem | bzed: no need to lart, just a friendly reminder |
| 14:58.31 | bzed | azeem: a lart is a friendly reminder for me |
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| 14:58.37 | bzed | :P |
| 14:58.40 | jay | thought it was a general prob that could be fixed? |
| 14:58.46 | jay | aren't we debian based? |
| 14:58.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: what am i reading ? |
| 14:58.53 | stew | jay: the way to fix it in debian is "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" |
| 14:58.58 | wols | !tell jay about debian based |
| 14:59.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: the very bottom |
| 14:59.03 | azeem | jay: Ubuntu doesn't use the Debian kernel |
| 14:59.09 | jay | ohhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:59.11 | jay | ma bad |
| 14:59.15 | bzed | jay: ubuntu modifies so many weird things that debian stopped to knwo what they're really doing |
| 14:59.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: and ? |
| 14:59.19 | jay | modprobe didn't return an error |
| 14:59.19 | dimir | rgsteele: do you mean iostat? |
| 14:59.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: i wanted to hear from you |
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| 14:59.40 | jay | it loaded it in |
| 14:59.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: about what ? |
| 14:59.47 | rgsteele | dimir: Maybe :) |
| 14:59.47 | jay | 1 sec.. lemme check it snd works now |
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| 15:00.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: seems obvious opera kicks ass :) |
| 15:00.27 | dimir | rgsteele: there is a package named sysstat |
| 15:00.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not free though |
| 15:00.33 | jay | alright.. i'll go ask on ubuntu, it's still broken |
| 15:00.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's free ... not Free |
| 15:00.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: without source, and the right to change/distribute it |
| 15:01.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's free ... not Free |
| 15:01.03 | dimir | jay: when some 3rd party crap says some tool is broken it's not necessarily you have to believe it. |
| 15:01.07 | dimir | welcome to F/OSS |
| 15:01.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: dict doesn't know about Free |
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| 15:01.33 | jay | i'm not a believer... i just wanna rectify the prob :) |
| 15:01.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: the sad part is that no other GUI browser comes close to the startup time |
| 15:02.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: links2 is gui? |
| 15:02.22 | stew | yes |
| 15:02.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah .. on windows .. ignore |
| 15:02.26 | amee2k | xlinks |
| 15:02.32 | dimir | jay: Yes, I just want to point out that the output in linux apps isn't always true. :-) |
| 15:02.36 | rgsteele | dimir: Yeah, I've got it installed |
| 15:02.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: it works on windows (using cygwin) |
| 15:03.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: eh .. whatever .. |
| 15:03.08 | abrotman | i'm still not sure why you showed me that |
| 15:03.13 | amee2k | there was that really slim and nice gtk/gecko browser, but i can't find it anymore :( |
| 15:03.21 | jelly | epiphany? |
| 15:03.25 | abrotman | i like that Amaya takes 20 minutes to render CSS |
| 15:03.27 | dimir | rgsteele: if you need to check the mem and cpu usage of a process there is a nice tool called htop. |
| 15:03.31 | abrotman | jelly: still gecko based |
| 15:03.51 | amee2k | jelly: nope, tried that already |
| 15:03.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: and dillo gui starts fast too, but renders not that great |
| 15:03.56 | rgsteele | dimir: Nah, I need disk i/o. Something is killing me in that respect ...I've got high wait, low idle and lots of disk i/o |
| 15:04.01 | rgsteele | Trying to find the culprit |
| 15:04.10 | abrotman | i like how the loading speed of konq has gone up 100+% |
| 15:04.15 | jelly | what was the orig. question anyway?:-) |
| 15:04.24 | dimir | rgsteele: tried strace? |
| 15:04.24 | cydork | dillo doesn't support https/js .. |
| 15:04.28 | abrotman | jelly: there wasn't .. he just showed me the page |
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| 15:04.39 | jelly | abrotman: who? |
| 15:04.40 | tarzeau | cydork: it supports https |
| 15:04.52 | abrotman | jelly: /lastlog tarzeau |
| 15:04.52 | cydork | tarzeau: huh? since when? |
| 15:04.53 | rgsteele | dimir: Yeah, but that's just going to tell me what processes are getting forked off of a given parent process. |
| 15:04.55 | HostilePenguin | Konqueror 3.2 is old 3.5.5 |
| 15:04.57 | tarzeau | cydork: ever? |
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| 15:05.03 | amee2k | cydork: call me old fashioned, but most sites that rely on JS are crap anyway |
| 15:05.03 | lleoneye | hmmm how can i downgrade using apt? |
| 15:05.06 | rgsteele | dimir: I need to get a good idea of who my top disk i/o processes are |
| 15:05.10 | cydork | tarzeau: strange.. |
| 15:05.17 | wols | !downgrade |
| 15:05.22 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: 3.5.3 is on the chart .. and takes more than twice as long as 3.2 to start |
| 15:05.23 | jelly | abrotman: ty |
| 15:05.30 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 15:05.43 | dimir | rgsteele: sounds challenging |
| 15:05.44 | dimir | :-) |
| 15:05.45 | wols | dpkg: you are lagged |
| 15:05.45 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, wols |
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| 15:05.46 | lleoneye | thx |
| 15:05.49 | cydork | tarzeau: http://www.dillo.org/FAQ.html#q12 |
| 15:05.52 | tarzeau | cydork: since november 2005 :) |
| 15:05.53 | abrotman | though admittedly .. how many times do you start the browser ... |
| 15:06.20 | tarzeau | cydork: in debian. and there was some activity on changing from gtk to fltk2 during last month |
| 15:06.24 | HostilePenguin | under gnome |
| 15:06.27 | dimir | rgsteele: if you have sources for your app you could write simple stat app. |
| 15:06.34 | HostilePenguin | way faster under kde |
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| 15:06.39 | cydork | tarzeau: oh ok.. |
| 15:07.17 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: look at the graph again .. it takes more than two times longer .. under kde |
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| 15:07.31 | rgsteele | dimir: It's spread across a server farm of Debian boxes which are load balanced and doing nfs reads and writes. I don't think that's a viable path. |
| 15:07.45 | dimir | öùö |
| 15:07.49 | dimir | I mean, wow. |
| 15:08.20 | dimir | rgsteele: you need to sit down and think. :-) |
| 15:08.21 | perlmonkey | does anyone know why apt-get is saying ivtv driver module package (ivtv-modules-2.6-686 for testing) is not available? |
| 15:08.27 | rgsteele | dimir: Indeed. |
| 15:08.46 | tarzeau | jelly: i use links2 -g very very often, it's great for html forms and image surfing, quick googling with the great bookmark menu |
| 15:08.50 | dimir | perlmonkey: local rep updated? |
| 15:08.57 | perlmonkey | tis a contributed package and i have contrib in my apt source |
| 15:09.04 | Maerz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.12 | perlmonkey | dimir: what does that mean? |
| 15:09.19 | stew | Maerz: i don't think so, you can use vpnc |
| 15:09.20 | dimir | perlmonkey: aptitude update |
| 15:09.27 | perlmonkey | oh yes i did an update |
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| 15:09.52 | dimir | perlmonkey: I have it available. |
| 15:10.08 | perlmonkey | why dont I ;-/ |
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| 15:11.29 | dimir | perlmonkey: you on sarge? |
| 15:11.39 | jelly | tarzeau: I can't think of it as a graphical browser, it's JS support is even worse than Opera's :-) |
| 15:11.40 | dimir | this package is available in testing and unstable only. |
| 15:11.46 | jelly | s/it's/its/ |
| 15:11.56 | perlmonkey | i'm on testing |
| 15:12.00 | dimir | perlmonkey: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ivtv-modules-2.6-686&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 15:12.10 | cydork | perlmonkey: try another repo. |
| 15:12.23 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 15:12.57 | perlmonkey | what's that command to update apt sources? apt-setup I though? |
| 15:12.57 | cydork | perlmonkey: also it's in contrib. |
| 15:13.00 | perlmonkey | *t |
| 15:13.15 | cydork | perlmonkey: so you have contrib in your sources.list right? |
| 15:13.19 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 15:13.29 | dimir | perlmonkey: aptitude update |
| 15:13.32 | dimir | run it. |
| 15:13.33 | perlmonkey | i only have one repo tho |
| 15:13.36 | stew | perlmonkey: apt-setup in sarge, "sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list" in etch/sid |
| 15:13.38 | dimir | And make sure there is no errors. |
| 15:13.41 | cydork | perlmonkey: apt-setup is not there in etch. edit sources.list by hand |
| 15:13.49 | perlmonkey | thanks stew |
| 15:14.16 | perlmonkey | phew i dunno any repo can anyone recommend one |
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| 15:14.35 | perlmonkey | I'm using mirror.ac.uk at present |
| 15:14.43 | cydork | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:14.50 | perlmonkey | merci |
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| 15:16.30 | lleoneye | wow that 2.16 backport worked |
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| 15:16.38 | cydork | marci! |
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| 15:17.30 | lleoneye | i just wonder if a official debian testing 2.16 appears if that gnome backport would be upgraded |
| 15:17.41 | lleoneye | or a higher version gnome |
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| 15:19.41 | hark | it would.. but an official one wouldn't appear in the first place |
| 15:20.25 | lleoneye | ahh ok but its possible to change this ? |
| 15:20.35 | lleoneye | :) |
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| 15:21.40 | perlmonkey | it says im gonna lose hotplug |
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| 15:21.47 | perlmonkey | should I be worried |
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| 15:22.18 | perlmonkey | or rather, should I be bovered :P |
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| 15:22.27 | lleoneye | if you need it |
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| 15:22.39 | perlmonkey | i dunno what it even does |
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| 15:22.49 | perlmonkey | summat to do with usb i guess |
| 15:22.56 | stew | perlmonkey: udev in etch/testing replaces all of hotplug's functionality, you are most likely losing hotplug becuase you are getting a newer udev |
| 15:23.05 | lleoneye | plug and pray |
| 15:23.09 | stew | perlmonkey: (so no, don't worry) |
| 15:23.19 | perlmonkey | stew: thats right, it said udev is coming on |
| 15:23.28 | bzed | perlmonkey: be happy instead. udev works times better than sucky hotplug |
| 15:23.29 | HostilePenguin | i commented out USEFB "true" now Xorg.0.log says its using shadowfb is that going to make any difference? |
| 15:23.30 | perlmonkey | cool thanks |
| 15:24.04 | lleoneye | brb |
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| 15:24.58 | jelly | !udev |
| 15:24.59 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
| 15:25.16 | HostilePenguin | it got rid of fb errors in log also can fb problems cause openGl issues? |
| 15:25.16 | jeward | I've done a minimal ionstall and am trying to install just the xserver, but I'm having trouble. |
| 15:25.53 | jeward | I get: Cannot stat /etc/X11/X, how can I fix that? |
| 15:26.29 | hark | how did you install X? |
| 15:26.57 | jeward | I've tried installing xserver-xorg and the vesa server, but it complains that it relies on something uninstallible? |
| 15:27.07 | jeward | I don't think X is installed. |
| 15:27.16 | jeward | I have xterm and twm, but no server. |
| 15:28.12 | hark | etch? |
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| 15:28.42 | heh_v_water | could someone point me to a howto for creating a debian repository using the install DVDs.. is this possible? |
| 15:28.42 | jeward | hark: I just upgraded to testing. That's etch, right? |
| 15:28.51 | lleoneye | yeah thats etch |
| 15:29.27 | hark | jeward: try aptitude install xorg |
| 15:29.44 | jeward | hark: I have a small hard drive... is that going to be big? :-) |
| 15:30.02 | lleoneye | just make sure your sources.list points to etch and not testing |
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| 15:30.36 | lleoneye | else your system would become lenny after the stable release |
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| 15:32.04 | hark | jeward: well,if you want to pick and choose |
| 15:33.18 | hark | you'll need xserver-xorg, xfonts-base, xbase-clients |
| 15:33.39 | jeward | hark: I just went ahead and did xorg. |
| 15:33.46 | hark | xserver-xorg-video-$whatever, xserver-xorg-input-$whatever |
| 15:34.07 | hark | ah |
| 15:34.23 | quitte | i have a fil that i know contains a gzip archive somewhere. how can i extract it? |
| 15:34.25 | hark | anyway, xkb-data and probably xutils |
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| 15:36.42 | jeward | hark: It can't find my mouse. It's a logitech on a KVM. |
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| 15:39.11 | ma3x | how can I rip a dvd? |
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| 15:40.04 | MojoWork | ma3x: mencoder |
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| 15:40.11 | hark | jeward: moment |
| 15:40.20 | jeward | I get this from startx: cannot open /dev/input/mice, no such device. |
| 15:40.26 | jeward | hark: Okay, thanks. |
| 15:40.56 | stew | jeward: modprobe mousedev |
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| 15:41.04 | stew | jeward: add "mousedev" to /etc/modules |
| 15:41.23 | jeward | stew: No such module. |
| 15:41.43 | stew | jeward: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:42.14 | jeward | stew: Actually, it says it can't open modules.dep/ |
| 15:42.23 | azeem | jeward: run it as root/sudo |
| 15:42.31 | jeward | stew: 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 15:42.43 | jeward | azeem: I did. |
| 15:43.04 | GiabboO | I am chrooted in the installation, I dont have make command... how to do to have it ? |
| 15:43.13 | stew | !b-e GiabboO |
| 15:43.13 | dpkg | GiabboO: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 15:43.17 | GiabboO | k |
| 15:43.46 | GiabboO | is not in the cdrom :S |
| 15:43.51 | GiabboO | i am running a kmuto iso cd |
| 15:43.57 | GiabboO | need a rep :O |
| 15:44.02 | azeem | GiabboO: so why do you need to chroot+make? |
| 15:44.03 | stew | jeward: did you recently install that kernel? does /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep exist? |
| 15:44.25 | GiabboO | azeem, to build my kernel |
| 15:44.31 | stew | GiabboO: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:44.42 | jeward | stew: It doesn't. Reboot? |
| 15:44.44 | GiabboO | listen |
| 15:44.50 | GiabboO | I installed debian from kmuto iso cd |
| 15:44.52 | azeem | GiabboO: why do you need to build a kernel? |
| 15:44.56 | ma3x | why does my cd/dvd rom read so slow the DVDs? |
| 15:44.56 | stew | jeward: no, a reboot wouldn't create the file, "depmod -a" should though |
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| 15:45.08 | GiabboO | after the reboot i get few error and I get into (initramfs) |
| 15:45.16 | GiabboO | i think my initramfs is not ok |
| 15:45.26 | azeem | GiabboO: then rebuild the initramfs, not the kernel |
| 15:45.32 | azeem | and/or fix those errors |
| 15:45.33 | GiabboO | i am chrooted |
| 15:45.37 | stew | GiabboO: "dpkg-reconfigure $kernel-package-name" will repbuild the intrd |
| 15:45.42 | azeem | why are you chrooted? |
| 15:45.47 | GiabboO | to do it |
| 15:45.51 | azeem | ok. |
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| 15:46.05 | GiabboO | I am a new debian user |
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| 15:46.16 | GiabboO | and i get trouble because of a sata controller lol |
| 15:46.19 | jeward | stew: NOW, mousedev doesn't exist. |
| 15:46.27 | azeem | GiabboO: is this for a server? |
| 15:46.50 | GiabboO | nope |
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| 15:47.01 | GiabboO | how do I check wich version the kmuto iso install ? |
| 15:47.05 | GiabboO | wich package.. |
| 15:47.33 | wols | GiabboO: do you finally know what controller it is? |
| 15:47.37 | azeem | GiabboO: I suggest you try Etch Release Candidate 2 then, not kmuto |
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| 15:47.45 | GiabboO | yes i know |
| 15:47.48 | ma3x | how do I enable using_dma for /dev/hdc at boot? |
| 15:47.51 | GiabboO | its an ATI Technologies controller |
| 15:48.09 | GiabboO | azeem, i got no blank cd right now so... :) |
| 15:48.24 | GiabboO | i want to make this working |
| 15:48.35 | GiabboO | how to see what is the kernel package name ? |
| 15:48.42 | azeem | GiabboO: if it doesn't work out-of-the-box, it is likely that there is a deeper problem |
| 15:48.49 | wols | GiabboO: is ahci available? |
| 15:48.51 | azeem | GiabboO: dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 15:48.54 | GiabboO | ty |
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| 15:50.21 | Acu | I used Debian Etch and PostgreSQL 8.1 - I am trying to add database to PgADMINIII and I cannot connect to database - I already started the database server from /etc/init.d but the pgADMINIII tells me is some problem with authentification - though I use postgres user - can anyone help ? |
| 15:50.34 | ma3x | why is my cdrom not using dma after every time I eject it? |
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| 15:50.50 | GiabboO | shit |
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| 15:51.01 | GiabboO | i cant see all the package name with that :S |
| 15:51.07 | GiabboO | its like trimmed |
| 15:51.28 | azeem | put a "COLUMNS=1000" in front of it |
| 15:51.31 | azeem | or so |
| 15:52.16 | GiabboO | lol |
| 15:52.18 | GiabboO | thanks :D |
| 15:52.37 | GiabboO | runnig depmod |
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| 15:53.54 | GiabboO | ok |
| 15:54.09 | GiabboO | i edited the lilo.conf to let it run the linux kernels in /boot |
| 15:54.12 | MrWup | whats good software for sharing an internet connection? |
| 15:54.13 | GiabboO | and initrd of course |
| 15:54.16 | MrWup | (for debian) |
| 15:54.19 | GiabboO | lets see whats happen |
| 15:54.36 | wols | !tell MrWup about ipmasq |
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| 15:54.49 | MrWup | like... debian server connected to LAN and to internet. I want some sort of proxy/firewall software which can basically share the net connection with the LAN and has loads of features |
| 15:54.51 | GiabboO | ok |
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| 15:54.53 | GiabboO | same error |
| 15:55.13 | MrWup | NAT is fine |
| 15:55.24 | GiabboO | /init: 1:cannot open /dev/root: No such device or address |
| 15:55.28 | GiabboO | this is my error at boot time |
| 15:55.35 | Ankman | oh |
| 15:55.55 | wols | something I never understood. where does it gte the /dev/root from? |
| 15:56.13 | GiabboO | i really donty know |
| 15:56.34 | Ankman | ls /dev/root |
| 15:56.35 | Ankman | ls: /dev/root: No such file or directory |
| 15:56.52 | Ankman | may be created temporary on boot? |
| 15:56.54 | GiabboO | MrWup you should try iptables with echo 1 > foward |
| 15:57.05 | azeem | GiabboO: check your lilo.conf and menu.lst for /dev/rot |
| 15:57.06 | azeem | root |
| 15:57.12 | GiabboO | sec |
| 15:57.27 | GiabboO | i need to restart with the cd again ... |
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| 16:02.18 | GiabboO | back |
| 16:02.19 | GiabboO | ok |
| 16:02.23 | GiabboO | i check the lilo.conf |
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| 16:03.41 | GiabboO | root=/dev/sdc1 |
| 16:03.52 | GiabboO | can I rem this line |
| 16:03.52 | GiabboO | ? |
| 16:03.53 | azeem | GiabboO: is it really using lilo? |
| 16:04.25 | GiabboO | i dont understand if at boot time it is really sdc or sda |
| 16:04.30 | GiabboO | the /dev i mean |
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| 16:05.39 | GiabboO | but actually, in the installation chroot, its on sdc |
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| 16:06.10 | GiabboO | can I rem t he root= line ? |
| 16:06.15 | azeem | what do you want to fix by that? |
| 16:06.32 | GiabboO | put realroot on image line |
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| 16:06.57 | azeem | I haven't used lilo in ages, dunno how to do that |
| 16:07.04 | GiabboO | mm |
| 16:07.05 | azeem | also, did you rerun lilo after you changed lilo.conf? |
| 16:07.08 | GiabboO | sure |
| 16:07.57 | GiabboO | i get no errors with that |
| 16:08.02 | GiabboO | :\ |
| 16:08.46 | GiabboO | I am still thinking about the initramfs... |
| 16:09.51 | azeem | the error suggests (to me) it's a problem with your boot loader config rather than with the initramfs |
| 16:09.59 | stew | GiabboO: you can use root=LABEL=fslabel if you don't know if it is going to be sda or sdc. you can set the label with e2label if it is ext2/ext3 |
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| 16:10.39 | GiabboO | i am using xfs |
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| 16:11.20 | stew | GiabboO: xfs_admin then iirc |
| 16:11.41 | GiabboO | yes... |
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| 16:11.44 | GiabboO | hell!!! |
| 16:11.44 | nuxien | hello |
| 16:11.44 | GiabboO | ok |
| 16:11.48 | GiabboO | i see the scsi line |
| 16:11.58 | GiabboO | at boot time my drive is sda |
| 16:12.06 | nuxien | i would like to know the diferences between initramfs-tools and yaird |
| 16:12.08 | GiabboO | so i go change the lilo.conf again ^^ |
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| 16:12.09 | GiabboO | brb |
| 16:13.15 | iturk | hi there friends i need to zip a file and to divide it in two parts like 2 equal 2GB files. I try to search in man of there but i could find nothing !! can someone help ?? |
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| 16:14.01 | stew | nuxien: well, initramfs-tools uses udev and yaird doesn't. initramfs-tools is being actively developed and yaird hasn't been updated in over a year |
| 16:14.01 | HostilePenguin | is hotplug supposed to be running with udev? |
| 16:14.06 | czr | hello, is there any apt repo for woody anymore anywhere? |
| 16:14.10 | stew | HostilePenguin: in sarge yes, in etch no |
| 16:14.26 | Ronin | czr: not likely |
| 16:14.27 | HostilePenguin | how to get rid of hotplug |
| 16:14.43 | czr | Ronin, I don't need the updates, just to install woody :-). only have some netinst-iso |
| 16:15.17 | stew | czr: yes, on archives.debian.org ; note that it is no longer safe to use security wise |
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| 16:15.28 | stew | czr: err archive not arvhives |
| 16:15.31 | nuxien | stew, for a laptop debian testing, what is the best ? |
| 16:15.37 | czr | stew, let me try |
| 16:15.56 | stew | nuxien: initramfs-tools unless you have a particular reason to avoid udev |
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| 16:16.19 | GiabboO | shit |
| 16:16.28 | nuxien | stew, 2 sata disk, it's a reason? |
| 16:16.40 | GiabboO | i cant lilo /dev/sda1 if it is /dev/sdc1 in the installation |
| 16:16.51 | stew | nuxien: doesn't matter |
| 16:16.52 | GiabboO | how do I make it sda in the installation ? |
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| 16:17.04 | stew | GiabboO: why not use a label instead of a device name? |
| 16:17.08 | czr | stew, any hint on how the apt source should look like? |
| 16:17.28 | stew | czr: deb http://archive.debian.org woody main |
| 16:17.30 | HostilePenguin | Package hotplug is not installed, so not removed |
| 16:17.40 | GiabboO | ok stew how to do it ? |
| 16:17.49 | stew | GiabboO: root=LABEL=labelname |
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| 16:18.13 | nuxien | thx stew |
| 16:18.26 | GiabboO | hmm |
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| 16:18.34 | GiabboO | what is my labelname? |
| 16:18.37 | czr | stew, thanks a lot |
| 16:18.46 | stew | GiabboO: whichever labelname you set with xfs_admin |
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| 16:18.58 | czr | stew, and yes, I know security wise it's silly. I just want to play some old loki game and it doesn't work with more modern distributions |
| 16:19.09 | czr | stew, once installed, I'll disable the networking in the virtual machine. |
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| 16:19.22 | sdft | Anyone has compared a HP-UX and a GNU/Linux under a HP machine? has anyone experienced a better performance under GNU/Linux? |
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| 16:21.08 | GiabboO | hmmm |
| 16:21.19 | GiabboO | xfs_admin doesnt work on mounted devices |
| 16:21.42 | czr | sdft, what kind of HP machine? |
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| 16:26.44 | GiabboO | stew, I do I get xfs progs work on the installation shell ? |
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| 16:29.59 | stew | GiabboO: if it doesn't work while mounted, why not jsut unmount it? (i don't have any real experience with xfs) |
| 16:30.24 | GiabboO | because in the installation shell there is not xfs |
| 16:30.26 | GiabboO | progs.. |
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| 16:30.39 | GiabboO | xfs_admin is on my drive |
| 16:30.46 | GiabboO | the installation does not provide it |
| 16:31.47 | GiabboO | i should start with another live cd maybe |
| 16:31.52 | GiabboO | pfff |
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| 16:38.44 | GiabboO | lol |
| 16:38.50 | GiabboO | i did a trick maybe this will work |
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| 16:39.07 | GiabboO | actually sda and sdb are my CF and SD reader onboard |
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| 16:39.19 | GiabboO | i disable the usb from bios so it shouldnt be recognized |
| 16:39.25 | kombi | how again do you add a user to a group..? |
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| 16:39.45 | kombi | not groupadd.. |
| 16:40.00 | azeem | kombi: adduser or addgroup I think |
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| 16:40.06 | GiabboO | usermod -G |
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| 16:40.11 | czr | stupid question, anyone remember which package contained the default 'fixed' font for xservers in woody? |
| 16:40.14 | GiabboO | to set the group |
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| 16:40.14 | kombi | usermod! |
| 16:40.21 | kombi | thanks GiabboO |
| 16:40.31 | GiabboO | yw :) |
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| 16:41.39 | GiabboO | \0/ |
| 16:41.43 | GiabboO | my drive is now sda :D |
| 16:41.53 | GiabboO | lets see what happen when I edit my lilo.conf |
| 16:42.08 | tvynr | How might I extract the boot image from a CD in my drive so I can burn it to another CD? |
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| 16:42.10 | helo | how do i install the java plugin for iceweasel? |
| 16:42.19 | tvynr | !tell helo java plugin |
| 16:42.26 | tvynr | !info java plugin |
| 16:42.26 | czr | tvynr, you mean the boot image or the whole image of the cd? |
| 16:42.32 | tvynr | czr: Just the boot image. |
| 16:42.39 | tvynr | How do we make that dpkg thing work... |
| 16:42.42 | tvynr | !info java |
| 16:42.57 | czr | tvynr, hmmh. depends on the bootloader on the disk |
| 16:43.17 | czr | isolinux for example doesn't require an boot image per se anymore (it is the boot image) |
| 16:43.36 | GiabboO | DONE!!!! |
| 16:43.37 | GiabboO | ahah |
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| 16:43.58 | GiabboO | stew, I fucked it hard :D |
| 16:44.11 | tvynr | czr: I'm trying to create a driver-slipstreamed Windows XP CD for a friend. I've got everything down except in that K3b needs me to provide it with a boot image file. I'm wondering how I retrieve said file from the CD. It should be the 1.4Mb file which is emulated as a floppy image. |
| 16:44.12 | GiabboO | wols, -_- |
| 16:44.23 | wols | ? |
| 16:44.33 | czr | tvynr, I have no idea. I hardly even remember what windows is anymore. |
| 16:44.43 | czr | (or would be interested in learning either :-) |
| 16:44.49 | czr | maybe someone else knows, google? |
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| 16:45.08 | tvynr | czr: This wouldn't be Windows-specific. I'm trying to figure out how to extract the El Torito image from a CD. Although I didn't think to put "El Torito" in my Google searches until just now. |
| 16:45.16 | czr | tvynr, the file can be hidden in iso9660, that's why you probably don't see it when looking in the cd |
| 16:45.26 | tvynr | helo: Try "apt-cache search java-plugin" |
| 16:45.35 | tvynr | czr: I mounted with -o unhide |
| 16:45.42 | czr | tvynr, and still nothing? |
| 16:45.46 | helo | nope |
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| 16:46.51 | helo | ok, wth... i was kicked right after i spoke |
| 16:47.02 | helo | mabye move up the kick time to 10 minutes? |
| 16:47.11 | azeem | helo: what do you mean? |
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| 16:47.26 | helo | ahhh, nm i'm still in #debian-overflow heh |
| 16:47.29 | tvynr | czr: Didn't see a "/boot" subdirectory or any obvious culprits. |
| 16:48.22 | czr | tvynr, try running find with exactly 1440 or 2880 KiB as size predicate |
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| 16:48.45 | czr | (I doubt the boot image can fit into 360/720 K, but you could also try that) |
| 16:49.15 | bzed | Any GCC geeks around? I remember there were some changes between gcc 3.4 and 4.1 regarding the C (or C++!?) ABI. So is there any issue I could run into when linking libs created with gcc 3.4 and gcc 4.1? I know that's a problem for C++/g++ - but what about plain C ? |
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| 16:49.40 | azeem | it shouldn't be a problem for C |
| 16:49.50 | GiabboO | wols, integrated CF and SD reader made my drive be /dev/sdc on installation |
| 16:49.54 | czr | bzed, ABI changes affect C++ only (or ARM) |
| 16:49.58 | GiabboO | azeem, i solved |
| 16:50.10 | czr | bzed, C ABI hasn't changed. |
| 16:50.19 | czr | at least not on x86/x86_64/ia-64. |
| 16:50.52 | wastrel | maybe i'm blind, where do i go to edit categories in evolution? |
| 16:50.53 | helo | no known trick to install the java browser plugin? |
| 16:51.13 | bzed | czr: awesome, thanks! |
| 16:51.44 | bzed | !tell helo about search |
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| 16:52.20 | solar_sea | is there a deb package for mplayer ? |
| 16:52.35 | tvynr | czr: Nothing of 360k, 720k, 1440k, or 2880k on the disc. :-/ |
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| 16:52.45 | azeem | solar_sea: yes, in testing/unstable |
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| 16:52.57 | czr | tvynr, could be direct non-iamge bootable then, similar to isolinux |
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| 16:53.05 | bonez39 | is dpkg not working? |
| 16:53.13 | sdft | czr: rx7620 machines (sorry for the delay) |
| 16:53.13 | czr | tvynr, there are two things you can boot off el torito, emulated floppy images, and direct |
| 16:53.14 | bzed | !tell solar_sea about debian-multimedia |
| 16:53.28 | bzed | !milk bonez39 |
| 16:53.39 | bzed | bonez39: I think it works :) |
| 16:53.39 | bonez39 | ouch...hey.....watch it |
| 16:53.52 | czr | sdft, for those machines it would depend on your workload/what you do with them |
| 16:54.11 | sdft | czr: lot of work (oracle + sap) |
| 16:54.15 | bonez39 | bzed normally I can '/msg dpkg item' and it will open a query window with the answer....not so today |
| 16:54.26 | bonez39 | dpkg reversedns |
| 16:55.04 | czr | sdft, the speed difference is negligible. for that work load it's I/O, I/O and I/O. and I/O is hardware bound anyway. at least that's what I'm willing to say during my spare time :-) |
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| 16:55.29 | sdft | czr: well it will be connected to an evas |
| 16:55.34 | bzed | bonez39: hmm works for me |
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| 16:55.46 | czr | sdft, hp-ux support evas quite nicely, so what's the problem? |
| 16:55.52 | bonez39 | bzed what's the correct format then for asking dpkg a question? |
| 16:56.05 | bzed | bonez39: /msg dpkg foo |
| 16:56.11 | sdft | czr: I would like to know what is the best choice: hp-ux or gnu/linux for this hp-machine |
| 16:56.20 | bzed | !tell bonez39 about self-tell |
| 16:56.29 | sdft | czr: I like gnu/linux (I never manage hp-ux) |
| 16:56.30 | bzed | !tell bonez39 about selftell |
| 16:56.32 | czr | sdft, there is no best choice. it depends on what you want. |
| 16:57.12 | sdft | czr: well I want a stable system (it will be a production machine) |
| 16:57.14 | czr | sdft, if you're planning to use linux on that, I'd recommend you contact RH in order to get a well supported version of Linux (sorry debian people) |
| 16:57.31 | bonez39 | bzed I guess it just doesn't have a response for the term 'reverse DNS' |
| 16:57.37 | czr | unless someone here really can tell me that debian runs on nPar machines properly and is supported commercially as such. |
| 16:58.02 | bzed | czr: afaik does HP provide debian support since a few weeks |
| 16:58.11 | bzed | but I have no clue for which machines |
| 16:58.21 | Inf3rn0 | My Debian installation keeps freezing up when it does stuff related to the harddrive. Detecting, formating and such. It eventually continues, but I don't have time for an 7 day formating :p I've tried the netinst r4 and 5. Any help? |
| 16:58.23 | azeem | hp.com/go/debian |
| 16:58.30 | czr | let's see. |
| 16:58.49 | bzed | Inf3rn0: try etch :) |
| 16:58.49 | sdft | well i would like to know what is the best choise between gnu/linux and hp-ux |
| 16:58.58 | czr | bzed/azeem, only proliants |
| 16:59.02 | czr | so no, no nPars. |
| 16:59.14 | sdft | I have experenice with gnu/linux but I never managed hp-ux |
| 16:59.22 | bzed | Inf3rn0: ttp://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - but if it detects your hdd and works with it, there're also chances that there's a bug in your hardware |
| 16:59.25 | czr | sdft, hp-ux isn't all that different really |
| 16:59.29 | bzed | czr: ak ok |
| 16:59.37 | czr | sdft, just more 'stone-age'-like :-) |
| 16:59.49 | czr | sdft, you'll hate it at first, but you'll get used to it :-) |
| 16:59.51 | bzed | czr: does it bring a more searious package managment system then solaris? |
| 16:59.52 | sdft | czr: oh I guess (I also work with another unix-like systems such as solaris) |
| 17:00.06 | Inf3rn0 | bzed: There is no bug in the hardware. It works under Windows -.- |
| 17:00.07 | czr | bzed, what? hp-ux? |
| 17:00.11 | bzed | sdft: if you like solaris you'll love anything else... I think :P |
| 17:00.13 | bzed | czr: yes |
| 17:00.27 | sdft | bzed: lool well I first love gnu/linux xD |
| 17:00.35 | czr | bzed, well. it's broken in many of the same ways as the solaris packaging system is :-) |
| 17:00.40 | bzed | Inf3rn0: then give the etch installer a try. if that doesn;t work either, you ahve a bug in the hardware, but windows (again) only uses 50% of it. |
| 17:00.53 | Inf3rn0 | True :P |
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| 17:01.11 | sdft | but is there any problem with hp-ux related with issues with management, or support? |
| 17:01.33 | czr | sdft, hp-ux is commercial. you want support, you pay for it. |
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| 17:01.44 | astronaute | hello guys, is there some tutorial on how to install latest tomcat on debian sarge please ? I cant find it in apt-get ? |
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| 17:01.54 | czr | sdft, that said, if you want a stable linux kernel on that machine, you again will have to pay for it (just to redhat instead of hp) |
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| 17:02.14 | sdft | czr: yes I know... the provider only offers rh or suse |
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| 17:02.40 | azeem | astronaute: try tomcat4 as package name |
| 17:02.43 | czr | sdft, yup. if you have to choose between those, I'd recommend rh. they have much wider rx-experience. |
| 17:02.52 | sdft | but I would like to know the opinion of other people that manage hp-ux |
| 17:03.02 | azeem | sdft: well, ask in an hp-ux channel |
| 17:03.03 | czr | I run away as fast as possible away from hp-ux |
| 17:03.09 | czr | if that's what you wanted to hear :-) |
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| 17:03.13 | sdft | is there an hp-ux on freenode??!?! |
| 17:03.18 | astronaute | azeem is there some particular source for it ? as i type apt-cache search tomcat and get only jk2 lib |
| 17:03.20 | Einsteinium | I'll say hp-ux is stable, though |
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| 17:03.32 | czr | stable it is. nothing changes in it |
| 17:03.44 | czr | even the user interface is pretty much from the stone age. |
| 17:03.45 | azeem | astronaute: it's in contrib not main, do you have that in your sources.list? |
| 17:04.08 | azeem | sdft: I don't know; I just know that this is the wrong channel to ask |
| 17:04.17 | astronaute | azeem : http://pastebin.ca/406696 |
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| 17:04.31 | czr | sdft, ask on #rhel |
| 17:04.44 | azeem | astronaute: missing contrib, as I said |
| 17:04.47 | sdft | well I dont want a distro-war here |
| 17:04.54 | czr | sdft, tell that you're interested in whether using rhel on rx76xx/nPar-series would be easy/hard compared to hp-ux. |
| 17:04.56 | azeem | add contrib after main in the first two lines |
| 17:05.01 | sdft | just a comercial os like hp-ux vs. gnu/linux |
| 17:05.02 | czr | sdft, it's not a distro war. |
| 17:05.03 | astronaute | ok i try |
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| 17:05.16 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:05.25 | HardDisk_WP | where can I find the debian etch cd images? |
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| 17:05.45 | Einsteinium | You should google things, HardDisk_WP |
| 17:05.51 | sdft | czr: yes I know... i told that for azeem |
| 17:06.00 | HardDisk_WP | *g* i search now half hour through debian.org |
| 17:06.09 | sdft | in any case.. thanx a lot guys |
| 17:06.14 | Einsteinium | HardDisk_WP: I said you should google it |
| 17:06.18 | Ronin | HardDisk_WP: seriously? your google-fu is weak |
| 17:06.18 | tvynr | czr: According to isoinfo, it's an El Torito bootable disc with no floppy emulation. |
| 17:06.20 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 17:06.32 | Einsteinium | it was the firstt result for me |
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| 17:06.43 | Einsteinium | googled "debian etch" |
| 17:06.46 | Einsteinium | first result was download info |
| 17:06.53 | azeem | Einsteinium: great, now let's move on |
| 17:07.06 | Einsteinium | someones pushy today |
| 17:07.15 | astronaute | azeem : tomcat4 is that latest tomcat ? |
| 17:07.24 | azeem | astronaute: no |
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| 17:07.47 | azeem | astronaute: sarge has been release around two years ago, you get what was latest tomcat at that time |
| 17:07.48 | fluxdude | is there a way to forground something without doing fg |
| 17:07.50 | HardDisk_WP | which one of the 21 to choose fromhttp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 17:08.02 | azeem | astronaute: try http://www.backports.org, maybe you can find a newer tomcat there |
| 17:08.08 | Einsteinium | HardDisk_WP: whichever fits your system |
| 17:08.13 | astronaute | azeem oh right, but it can be a problem for latest java apps ? |
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| 17:08.31 | HardDisk_WP | Einsteinium, i386...but there are CDs 1-21... |
| 17:08.38 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:08.41 | Einsteinium | I use netboot |
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| 17:08.47 | waspius | hi when i use synaptic and try to install some files i get a message saying that my swap partition is not valid...why is that? |
| 17:09.01 | azeem | HardDisk_WP: I recommend http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:09.04 | Einsteinium | Do you have a swap partition |
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| 17:09.10 | waspius | Einsteinium: yes |
| 17:09.16 | Einsteinium | is it large enough |
| 17:09.23 | waspius | Einsteinium: yes |
| 17:09.49 | teclo- | Hello, I have a problem with module-assistant. The nvidia-kernel-legacy-source module does not compile, but I think I know what to change to make it compile. But everytime I change the file /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy/nv/nv-linux.h ... my changes are *overwritten* by modules-assistant. How can I fix this ? |
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| 17:10.17 | xtknight | anyone know what happens after pnm2ppa creates an HP PPA file? how is it then printed after the data streams to stdout? |
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| 17:11.18 | waspius | Einsteinium: any ideas? |
| 17:11.30 | astronaute | azeem nope arf |
| 17:11.56 | designdream | when i type 'at 2am' it enters the at> console.. how do i save my entry? i've been having to control +c it since i dont know what to do |
| 17:12.34 | azeem | designdream: try control+d |
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| 17:13.25 | astronaute | azeem if i download tomcat 6.10 and install it manually, is that ok ? |
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| 17:13.40 | designdream | thanks! |
| 17:14.22 | azeem | astronaute: you're the admin, install it to /usr/local |
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| 17:18.41 | oKtosiTe | bushblows: yes? |
| 17:19.15 | oKtosiTe | bushblows: you will look into it... good. |
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| 17:20.40 | xtknight | where would i modify the startup parameters for the CUPS daemon? |
| 17:20.44 | waspius | what do i need to install to have java supported in browsing? |
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| 17:22.11 | waspius | ?? |
| 17:22.24 | Einsteinium | on what browser |
| 17:22.50 | waspius | epiphany and mozilla |
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| 17:25.01 | torrr | is there somehting like top/htop etc' that doesn't show threads |
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| 17:25.38 | bzed | torrr: change htop's settings? |
| 17:25.56 | waspius | Einsteinium: ?? |
| 17:26.07 | bzed | torrr: F2 -> display options |
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| 17:27.54 | waspius | :( i have had only two questions and noone can help.... sniff sniff |
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| 17:29.13 | Inf3rn0 | Hooray! Etch is working, but Sarge is not :P |
| 17:29.20 | sander | ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE |
| 17:29.20 | sander | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.24 | kombi | what a great tool rsync is..;) |
| 17:29.26 | sander | What does this really mean? |
| 17:29.34 | sander | Should I just trash this hardisk? |
| 17:29.39 | kombi | don't do that.. |
| 17:29.41 | sander | the smart overall-health is listed as "failed" |
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| 17:30.59 | darkskiez | sander: 997 is a lot of reallocated sectors.... |
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| 17:31.30 | torrr | bzed, thanks |
| 17:31.31 | Supaplex | icky |
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| 17:32.21 | sander | How do I find out how many sectors a disk contains? |
| 17:32.24 | arvedui | #flood |
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| 17:34.48 | sander | Another disk I got.. is like this: |
| 17:34.53 | sander | ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE |
| 17:34.53 | sander | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.19 | sander | Its listed as an error in smart.. but still the overall healt status of that disk is "passed" |
| 17:35.48 | sander | ANyone know how reliable that old age smart self test is? |
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| 17:36.57 | valdyn | sander: read the google report? |
| 17:37.03 | valdyn | sander: its a complex topic |
| 17:37.04 | wols | sander: not reliable |
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| 17:37.07 | wols | at all |
| 17:37.31 | valdyn | sander: smart is means very few for individual disks |
| 17:37.40 | sander | valdyn, you know where the google report is located (maybe I should try searching on google first ;-)) |
| 17:37.54 | nail` | i've recompiled a custom 2.6, at boot time the system reboots at the messabe "boot" |
| 17:38.10 | wols | but the testing you can do via smart is good |
| 17:38.31 | nail` | can it be the missing MTD support ? |
| 17:38.35 | sander | valdyn, okay..But I guess the disk is critical if it says "failed" |
| 17:38.44 | nail` | or better, is MTD support needed to boot ? |
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| 17:39.11 | valdyn | sander: depends on what 'failed' smart can fail a test just because you pulled the power plug |
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| 17:39.47 | sander | valdyn, SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED! |
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| 17:40.22 | sander | valdyn, on that disk with 997 reallocated sectors.. I get up failed.. |
| 17:40.34 | sander | But on the disk with old age "40673h+04m+11s" I get up passed |
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| 17:45.40 | sl1ck | hi, could someone point me to working sollution for compiling fglrx on etch+2.6.20-3 kernel? |
| 17:46.11 | valdyn | sl1ck: does the standard procedure not work? |
| 17:46.11 | aitor | im looking for some feedback I write an application for Summer of Code 2007 about synaptic the main idea is to add rating and comments to packages in synaptic |
| 17:46.11 | aitor | im looking for some feedback I write an application for Summer of Code 2007 about synaptic |
| 17:46.11 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:47.27 | h3sp4wn | aitor: Would making it use aptitude instead of apt-get not be more useful ? |
| 17:47.53 | valdyn | aitor: why synaptic? why not on a more general level? as far as i know synaptic is only an optional gui package manager for debian, the reference is apt-get or aptitude |
| 17:48.05 | sl1ck | valdyn, no, when I do m-a a-i fglrx I get compilation errors |
| 17:48.07 | wols | aitor: being debian. the most used frontend isn't synaptic, not by a long shot |
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| 17:48.26 | valdyn | sl1ck: while it work with older kernels? |
| 17:48.44 | sl1ck | valdyn, I didn't try to be honesyt |
| 17:48.56 | valdyn | sl1ck: tell us the error |
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| 17:50.40 | sl1ck | valdyn, /usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:204: error: expected declaration â–’ |
| 17:50.40 | sl1ck | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.40 | wols | sl1ck: is that the first error? |
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| 17:50.40 | sl1ck | wols, yes |
| 17:50.40 | sl1ck | there are a lot more |
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| 17:50.44 | wols | paste the full output from the beginning |
| 17:50.54 | wols | but not here |
| 17:50.57 | sl1ck | wols, where do I find the log file? |
| 17:51.19 | wols | I don't have a clue. why do you need one? |
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| 17:51.37 | sl1ck | wols, so I can copy the whole output, one sec :) |
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| 17:52.10 | Supaplex | in the begining prequal, there was prego spagetti sauce. it's how the worlds were made, because you know, everythings in there. |
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| 17:53.10 | sl1ck | wols, I will paste it in #flood |
| 17:53.17 | valdyn | !info fglrx-kernel-src etch |
| 17:53.20 | dpkg | fglrx-kernel-src: (kernel module source for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.28.8-4 (etch), Packaged size: 482 kB, Installed size: 540 kB |
| 17:53.43 | pif | hi, I'm having trouble with apt-get regex support: "apt-get --purge remove .\*2.6.16-.\*" doesn't match all my installed 2.6.16 kernels |
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| 17:54.10 | lleoneye | ohhh what a pain to symlink all gnome 2.16 icons to 2.18 icon theme :) |
| 17:54.43 | abrotman | pif: dpkg might work better |
| 17:54.48 | solar_sea | is there a way to get a .deb package with apt-get without installing it ? |
| 17:54.48 | valdyn | sl1ck: that driver does not support your kernel. You need a newer driver. ATI's installer can generate debian packages, see amd.com |
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| 17:55.03 | sl1ck | valdyn, yes, I use those generated by ati |
| 17:55.05 | abrotman | solar_sea: download only .. man apt-get |
| 17:55.12 | solar_sea | okey |
| 17:55.26 | valdyn | sl1ck: version 8.34.8 ? |
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| 17:55.40 | sl1ck | Source: fglrx-installer |
| 17:55.40 | sl1ck | Version: 8.34.8-1 |
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| 17:56.10 | nail` | would you please point me to a guide to what is absolutely necessary in a 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 17:56.39 | valdyn | sl1ck: that is it.. i guess its ati's issue then, patches are on google. |
| 17:57.02 | sl1ck | valdyn, ok then I'll wait for a patch |
| 17:57.58 | Maerz | checking for beer in -lfridge... no |
| 17:57.58 | Maerz | Warning: No beer found in fridge! |
| 17:58.11 | Ronin | Maerz: thats why you should be kegging it |
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| 17:58.59 | valdyn | nail`: use a debian kernel |
| 17:59.33 | nail` | valdyn a 2.4 debian kernel boots in 10 minutes |
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| 17:59.58 | nail` | on this machine |
| 18:00.03 | nail` | that's why i need a custom kernel |
| 18:00.31 | nail` | does it sound so strange ? |
| 18:00.47 | valdyn | nail`: 10 minutes is a little much to be just because debians kernel is xx% bigger than a custom kernel |
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| 18:02.34 | nail` | valdyn take a debian kernel, now deselect all uneeded filesystems, pci, mga, usb, bluetooth, sata, telephony, uneeded networking devices, and 20-30 other uneeded modules |
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| 18:03.00 | valdyn | nail`: having more drivers on your harddisk has about no effect on boot speed |
| 18:03.38 | nail` | this 2.4.8 working kernel loads tons of uneeded stuff at boot |
| 18:04.08 | valdyn | nail`: like what? |
| 18:04.08 | nail` | and it's very, very, very slow |
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| 18:04.09 | valdyn | nail`: debian has a 2.4.8 kernel? |
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| 18:04.27 | nail` | this is an image i've downloaded, and the only kernel working on that machine |
| 18:04.33 | Maerz | a configure script searches freealut-config which does not exist (i installed the package), what do to ? |
| 18:04.52 | valdyn | nail`: sounds like your machine has issues |
| 18:05.14 | nail` | issues ? |
| 18:05.15 | valdyn | nail`: or linux has with your machine, whatever.., this is quite unusual |
| 18:05.41 | va | How can I specify the order in which to bring up the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces during boot? |
| 18:05.53 | nail` | if you want i can paste the mesg on nopaste |
| 18:06.00 | valdyn | nail`: you want to figure out why its slow, its certainly not because of debian kernel images huge feature set |
| 18:06.01 | nail` | so you can see with your eyes |
| 18:06.14 | valdyn | nail`: sure |
| 18:06.49 | xinming | Is there a channel which I can ask developer, for writing a patch please? |
| 18:07.06 | nail` | oh, sorry, the working kernel is 2.4.27 |
| 18:07.12 | Einsteinium | a patch for what |
| 18:07.21 | nail` | 2.6.8 is another not-working kernel |
| 18:07.40 | GiabboO | back |
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| 18:08.04 | xinming | Einsteinium: For automatically source .xprofile when launching (gnome,kde) from (gdm,kdm) |
| 18:08.07 | valdyn | nail`: how much ram do you have? |
| 18:08.26 | Einsteinium | submit a feat req to debian |
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| 18:08.56 | valdyn | xinming: that's documented in the faq, it wont be patched into X |
| 18:09.03 | valdyn | xinming: don't bother |
| 18:09.10 | valdyn | xinming: its not even a bug |
| 18:09.12 | xinming | Einsteinium: hmm, someone else had done this. But I think they prefer patch. |
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| 18:09.22 | xinming | valdyn: hmm, could you please give me the url? |
| 18:09.35 | valdyn | !wikifaq xinming DotFiles |
| 18:09.35 | dpkg | xinming: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 18:10.03 | Maerz | a configure script searches freealut-config which does not exist (i installed the package), what to do ? |
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| 18:10.17 | xinming | valdyn: The fact is. You need to change the file in /etc to achieve what "some" people want |
| 18:10.24 | valdyn | xinming: no you dont |
| 18:10.40 | valdyn | xinming: you use the 'default session' in gdm and edit ~/.xsession |
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| 18:10.51 | xinming | valdyn: How? I've read the sources in /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
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| 18:11.03 | valdyn | xinming: you dont need to read those sources, see the faq |
| 18:11.10 | nail` | valdyn http://rafb.net/p/skQGGP32.html |
| 18:11.19 | nail` | it boots in 10 minutes |
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| 18:12.21 | n3kl | Hi. Can someone point me to a howto for setting up a backup bind9 server? |
| 18:12.23 | valdyn | nail`: right, 20MB ram is pretty low.. |
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| 18:12.42 | n3kl | I don't understand if I just replicate the config or transfer zones so it updates and such |
| 18:12.46 | xinming | valdyn: How about when you wish to change session to xfce4 when launching gdm? always *editing* file is not the way to go. |
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| 18:13.26 | Skyhawk | does debian run live? |
| 18:13.27 | nail` | valdyn don't you think that trim down the kernel to what is really needed is a good idea ? |
| 18:13.36 | valdyn | nail`: take a debian kernel's /boot/config-2.6.19 ( for instance ), copy the configuration into your kernel source tree, renaming the target to .config |
| 18:13.50 | nail` | valdyn that's what i've done |
| 18:14.01 | valdyn | nail`: then run make oldconfig, THEN you do not have to stop but to actually ADD things |
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| 18:14.08 | xinming | valdyn: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411639 |
| 18:14.15 | beoba | with python, you're given a console/shell in which you're able to input arbitrary functions and run little chunks of code and other arbitrary statements (good for testing stuff), does there exist anything which does this for C or C++ code? |
| 18:14.20 | nail` | add ? |
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| 18:14.22 | xinming | valdyn: It's not only me myself wish the feature. |
| 18:14.23 | valdyn | nail`: that's your disk controller driver as Y, not M, your filesystem driver as Y, not M |
| 18:14.30 | beoba | not exactly a debian question but i figured if there was a package then someone would know about it |
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| 18:14.32 | valdyn | nail`: yea, exactly |
| 18:14.38 | valdyn | nail`: then use make-kpkg |
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| 18:15.07 | valdyn | nail`: your system is probably challanged just by loading the initrd. |
| 18:15.23 | valdyn | nail`: doing what i said above will get you no initrd |
| 18:15.25 | nail` | probably |
| 18:15.25 | dsl862 | hello guys |
| 18:15.30 | vaq2 | Hello I just made a two way replication setup using the howto http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.html - However when i create |
| 18:15.34 | vaq2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.38 | nail` | ok, i'll try this way, thanks |
| 18:15.39 | vaq2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.44 | dsl862 | hello g |
| 18:16.04 | xinming | valdyn: At least, 3 distribution I ever used would source the ~/.xprofile |
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| 18:16.53 | Danielss89 | hi, i can see theres mail in my mailq.. how can i force them to be send |
| 18:16.54 | xinming | hmm, maybe 2. :-P |
| 18:17.01 | nail` | btw, this way will put in the kernel this that probably i don't want |
| 18:17.04 | nail` | like MTD |
| 18:17.16 | nail` | MTD is compiled as Y in a stock kernel |
| 18:17.22 | valdyn | nail`: that's true, you can strip what you don't need |
| 18:17.28 | dsl862 | hello guys I just install dsl but I cannot configured my screen is very ugly guys and I girl needs a nice image right} I tried with all resolutions and depth, in the dsl channel nobody can help me |
| 18:17.38 | valdyn | nail`: its however not required, and as long as something is just M it is not taking up resources |
| 18:17.48 | wols | dsl862: dsl is not debian. wrong channel for you |
| 18:17.59 | nail` | valdyn the problem is that i've probably stripped too much |
| 18:18.15 | vaq2 | Hello I just made a two way replication setup using the howto http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.html - However when i create a database on node1 i can't see it on node2, same situation the other way around. It seems like the replication ain't working however if i check the logs i can see that they are both connected with each other. |
| 18:18.29 | valdyn | nail`: sure, im recommending you to not strip a thing at all first. and you cant get around adding what i said.. |
| 18:18.30 | nail` | because i can't find information about something like MTD |
| 18:18.39 | nail` | or really needed IDE modules |
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| 18:19.01 | Inf3rn0 | Why does Etch's apt-get keep asking me to insert the netinst cd? |
| 18:19.01 | valdyn | nail`: you have that system up and running right now? |
| 18:19.07 | nail` | yes |
| 18:19.25 | valdyn | nail`: paste lspci output and lsmod output and i can tell you what your ide driver is, hopefully |
| 18:19.26 | nail` | with 2.4.27 |
| 18:19.32 | wols | Inf3rn0: cause you have the netinst cd in your sources.list |
| 18:19.33 | wols | remove it |
| 18:19.38 | Inf3rn0 | :P |
| 18:19.42 | Inf3rn0 | How stupid |
| 18:19.44 | Inf3rn0 | Thanks |
| 18:19.48 | nail` | it's a 486 |
| 18:19.52 | nail` | lspci can't work |
| 18:20.01 | valdyn | nail`: oh, there was 486 with pci |
| 18:20.03 | wols | nail`: what chipset is it? |
| 18:20.06 | valdyn | nail`: just lsmod then |
| 18:20.13 | wols | valdyn: but not all :) |
| 18:20.17 | nail` | wols 486DX2 SL-2 |
| 18:20.19 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 18:20.36 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.37 | nail` | valdyn http://rafb.net/p/q7jNlt44.html |
| 18:20.44 | wols | nail`: that's no chipset |
| 18:21.04 | nail` | wols, what do you want to know exactly ? |
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| 18:21.41 | valdyn | nail`: looks like you're using generic ide support, that needs to be Y, aswell as ide disk |
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| 18:22.11 | valdyn | nail`: generic ide support is already Y, so you miss just the ide-disk |
| 18:22.26 | bbelt16ag | any ideas on what the bitmap module is called? |
| 18:22.32 | nail` | wols ? |
| 18:22.39 | abrotman | should already be there |
| 18:22.47 | nail` | valdyn i think so, but i don't know what |
| 18:22.48 | wols | chipset. from mobo |
| 18:22.50 | bbelt16ag | well its not |
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| 18:23.01 | Nebukadneza | hi |
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| 18:23.05 | bbelt16ag | its asking for it and pci something forget |
| 18:23.05 | nail` | wols i don't know, it's an old olivetti laptop |
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| 18:23.41 | valdyn | nail`: run make menuconfig and see.. unfortunately i dont have 2.4 kernel here to tell you the literal option |
| 18:23.49 | nail` | valdyn in the working .config everything in IDE is selected * or M |
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| 18:24.04 | GiabboO | My network card is recognized but "ping" doesnt work like it was during installation, what could it be ? |
| 18:24.05 | valdyn | nail`: yea, i know, the DISK support needs to be * |
| 18:24.09 | indridcold | hi |
| 18:24.09 | usn | @schoppenhauer, hi |
| 18:24.13 | valdyn | nail`: * is Y |
| 18:24.19 | schoppenhauer | usn: hello |
| 18:24.20 | indridcold | for some reason apache keeps loading up in tcp6 |
| 18:24.20 | nail` | yes |
| 18:24.22 | indridcold | how can I make it load up in tcp4 ? |
| 18:24.29 | indridcold | -4 |
| 18:24.34 | GiabboO | wols, are you there ? |
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| 18:24.41 | valdyn | indridcold: its on both |
| 18:24.42 | wols | sorta |
| 18:24.48 | wols | wherever "there" is |
| 18:24.51 | GiabboO | lol |
| 18:24.54 | GiabboO | listen |
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| 18:24.58 | indridcold | well netstat says 443 is open on tcp6 but not tcp |
| 18:25.03 | indridcold | yet 80 is open only on tcp |
| 18:25.04 | vaq2 | Hello I just made a two way replication setup using the howto http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.html - However when i create a database on node1 i can't see it on node2, same situation the other way around. It seems like the replication ain't working however if i check the logs i can see that they are both connected with each other. |
| 18:25.13 | GiabboO | during the installation my 8139too card was recognized and the ping was working well |
| 18:25.21 | wols | !tell valdyn about repeat |
| 18:25.25 | valdyn | indridcold: you dont know how to read netstat, tpc6 does not exclude tcp |
| 18:25.28 | wols | oops |
| 18:25.31 | GiabboO | now i got 8139 loaded, iface comes up but the ping doesnt work |
| 18:25.34 | wols | !tell vaq2 about repeat |
| 18:25.36 | SlayerXP | vaq2: you may wish to ask that question on a channel that has something, anything, to do with mysql |
| 18:25.37 | indridcold | ok fair enough |
| 18:25.37 | GiabboO | 8139too :p |
| 18:25.59 | GiabboO | i cant connect to any machine in my network |
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| 18:26.09 | valdyn | indridcold: tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 26562/apache2 means that its listening everywhere |
| 18:26.10 | GiabboO | i solved this years ago with pci=noacpi in the boot |
| 18:26.11 | wols | GiabboO: 8139too is loaded and shows up fine in dmesg? |
| 18:26.14 | GiabboO | yea |
| 18:26.20 | GiabboO | i see the link up |
| 18:26.31 | wols | what did you try to ping? |
| 18:26.38 | wols | and what does ifconfig say? |
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| 18:27.00 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know how to use a space as the delimiter for cut ? |
| 18:27.09 | tomdick | i'm purchasing a system for a debian mail server. what filesystem do you guys recommend? we'll be using maildir, if it makes a difference |
| 18:27.21 | GiabboO | dring the installation i mean |
| 18:27.29 | wols | !ext3 |
| 18:27.30 | dpkg | it has been said that ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
| 18:27.51 | valdyn | tomdick: ext3 is the default recommended fs, reiserfs is especially good for maildir |
| 18:27.53 | wols | GiabboO: I didn't ask about "during the installation" |
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| 18:28.11 | wols | I used present tense. what does it show now? is it loaded now, etc |
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| 18:28.30 | karsten | tomdick: ext3, ext3, or ext3. |
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| 18:28.36 | GiabboO | the module is loaded |
| 18:28.43 | GiabboO | but actually i dont see the Link up status message |
| 18:28.50 | valdyn | oh and reiser4 with cryptcompress is huge, but uuhh, _experimental_ |
| 18:29.15 | karsten | tomdick: If you're running a spool for many users, you may want to bump inode counts, use writethrough journal, and set noatime. |
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| 18:29.51 | valdyn | tomdick: if your system is powerful enough you should use ext3 |
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| 18:32.27 | GiabboO | ok it work! |
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| 18:32.44 | GiabboO | wols, I have any other device pointing to eth0 |
| 18:32.56 | wols | udev strikes again |
| 18:33.03 | tomdick | wols: yes, i've been reading benchmarks comparing ext3, xfs, jfs, reiserfs. reiserfs seems like a good choice theoretically, but i've heard too many anecdotes about it's reliability. |
| 18:33.21 | GiabboO | wols, its a 1394 controller |
| 18:33.38 | GiabboO | how to make it run on eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 18:33.50 | GiabboO | like give priority by loading first the 8139 |
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| 18:33.56 | tomdick | karsten: i like the idea of tuning ext3 to be a bit faster. |
| 18:34.06 | GiabboO | is there a way ? |
| 18:34.35 | wols | depends how you load the 1394 driver |
| 18:34.47 | abrotman | COWS! |
| 18:34.50 | tomdick | valdyn: the system will be 4-core xeon, w/8GB RAM. hopefully fast enough |
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| 18:35.49 | denken | tomdick: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 18:36.20 | valdyn | tomdick: should be very much i/o bound.. |
| 18:36.45 | tomdick | valdyn: like disk writes/reads? |
| 18:36.48 | denken | tomdick: oops not you ;) |
| 18:36.57 | denken | GiabboO: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 18:37.01 | valdyn | tomdick: yea |
| 18:37.21 | GiabboO | denken to look for what ? |
| 18:37.58 | denken | GiabboO: swap eth0 and eth1 |
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| 18:38.38 | denken | udev is actually pretty handy |
| 18:38.49 | karsten | tomdick: Val Henson's written a few things on that, among others. |
| 18:38.54 | karsten | tomdick: Google |
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| 18:39.27 | freetos | how long does it take for the testing applications to go stable? |
| 18:39.38 | abrotman | they don't .. it is released as stable .. |
| 18:39.40 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 18:39.41 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00012.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 18:39.50 | abrotman | !release history |
| 18:39.50 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 18:40.08 | karsten | freetos: ... or alternatively: a full release cycle. |
| 18:40.47 | abrotman | sorry mr correctness! |
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| 18:40.48 | Kronuz | hello |
| 18:40.52 | karsten | abrotman: Apology accepted. |
| 18:41.00 | freetos | karsten, so when the next release after etch is released, then by then all of the testing of etch will have gone stable? |
| 18:41.11 | karsten | freetos: stable is "stable" because it Doesn't Change. |
| 18:41.14 | Kronuz | hey, does anyone know how to make a bootable system from a software RAID volume? (I'm using dmraid) |
| 18:41.24 | karsten | freetos: Only updates are bug and security fixes |
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| 18:41.48 | karsten | freetos: Much of testing. The bits that have no release-critical bugs. |
| 18:41.51 | Kronuz | I just can't make my system boot (it hangs at a massage that says: "Waiting for root file system..." after a few messages) |
| 18:42.00 | ma3x | why when my dvd gets hot, it stops reading and it shows errors? |
| 18:42.11 | karsten | freetos: Current testing runs close to 23k packages. Etch is going to have about 16k packages in it. |
| 18:42.38 | freetos | 16k stable? |
| 18:42.43 | valdyn | eh? 7k will be removed? |
| 18:42.55 | Kronuz | grub is there working and showing the list of partitions (Ubuntu boots fine from there) and it seems to load the kernel alright; I've installed dmraid and devmapper in the debian file system |
| 18:43.05 | Kronuz | but I just can't make it work :( |
| 18:43.11 | karsten | valdyn: 7k aren't being released as stable. |
| 18:43.20 | cydork | !dstats etch |
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| 18:43.28 | karsten | Kronuz: stock or custom kernel? |
| 18:43.31 | Kronuz | (I got Etch RC2 by the way) |
| 18:43.32 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18621 packages, 1727 maintainers, 41707 MB installed size, 13731 MB compressed size. |
| 18:43.34 | GiabboO | ok denken i go and check it |
| 18:43.35 | karsten | Kronuz: ... and/or have you created a proper initrd? |
| 18:43.35 | valdyn | karsten: reasons is? |
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| 18:43.46 | ma3x | karsten: howdy pal! |
| 18:43.48 | Kronuz | karsten, it's the one I got from the default installation |
| 18:43.53 | sl1ck | I need to run this patch: patch -p0 > /"dondeguardastes"/fglrx-8.34.8-for-2.6.20.patch can someone explain what is "dondeguardastes"? |
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| 18:44.11 | Kronuz | karsten, yeah, I've been reading a lot about the initrd, but I don't know how to modify it to add the dmraid driver |
| 18:44.12 | indridcold | guys, is there a quick way I can search folders for all files containing a string ? |
| 18:44.15 | karsten | Kronuz: Do you see any messages about loading/mounting an initrd during boot? |
| 18:44.16 | Tigger_ | hi |
| 18:44.16 | karsten | valdyn: ?? |
| 18:44.33 | Kronuz | karsten, they go too fast and too many :( |
| 18:44.36 | h3xis | indridcold, "find"? |
| 18:44.36 | karsten | valdyn: Reasons is because. I'm not _that_ intimately familiar w/ release process. |
| 18:44.39 | denken | indridcold: grep |
| 18:44.46 | Kronuz | and there's no dmesage saved or any logs in the drive :( |
| 18:44.49 | Tigger_ | is there any ways i can speed up debian on my box ? |
| 18:44.49 | valdyn | karsten: current testing is ~18621 packages |
| 18:44.50 | karsten | Kronuz: Should happen early on and be pretty visible. |
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| 18:44.58 | indridcold | i tried grep, I don't know how I tell it "all files" |
| 18:44.59 | valdyn | karsten: ok, i thought you knew more than i do ;) |
| 18:44.59 | GiabboO | ty denken |
| 18:45.08 | denken | GiabboO: np |
| 18:45.23 | Kronuz | karsten, I think initrd should be loading, 'cause I tried using my ubuntu image instead and I found it showed a different set of masssages and some errors |
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| 18:45.34 | Kronuz | (the ubuntu's initrd) |
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| 18:45.39 | Tigger_ | is there any ways i can speed up debian on my box ? it's much slower than windows xp |
| 18:45.47 | karsten | valdyn: Yeah, I've got a few additional trees in here. |
| 18:45.51 | denken | Tigger_: sure. just add a faster processor, more ram, faster disks, and a new motherboard. |
| 18:45.58 | tomdick | Tigger_: make sure dma is on |
| 18:46.00 | Kronuz | karsten, is there a way I can mount the initrd image to see what it has? |
| 18:46.03 | valdyn | Tigger_: what's slower? |
| 18:46.08 | karsten | valdyn: So looks like there's only 1600 or so that are being dropped. |
| 18:46.09 | Tigger_ | oh ok denken thanks |
| 18:46.12 | Kronuz | (as to check the ubuntu's and see how they do it |
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| 18:46.26 | karsten | Kronuz: yes. Depends on the type of initrd. It's either a cramfs image or a gzipped cpio archive. |
| 18:46.31 | Tigger_ | dma is on but thanks tomdick |
| 18:46.32 | tonybphone | hi |
| 18:46.36 | karsten | Kronuz: Ask channel how to deal, I'm busy at work. |
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| 18:46.54 | Kronuz | karsten, sure, thanks |
| 18:46.54 | Tigger_ | valdyn, dedian sarge is slower than xp |
| 18:47.04 | etrask | How hard would it be to install support for the NTFS file system for Debian? |
| 18:47.12 | etrask | (64-bit Etch) |
| 18:47.14 | valdyn | Tigger_: nonsense, you should give precise info |
| 18:47.18 | petemc | etrask: there is read only support already |
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| 18:47.34 | valdyn | Tigger_: if your graphical interface feels slower than XP, that's ok, common, and there's nothing you can do about it |
| 18:47.39 | karsten | !ntfs |
| 18:47.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 18:47.41 | Kronuz | for anyone else listening, in Ubuntu I had to download a newer version of dmraid, so I don't know how it could have ended up there in the initrd (the newer version)... |
| 18:47.42 | Tigger_ | oh ok thanks for ue advice valdyn |
| 18:47.42 | etrask | not according to GParted :( |
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| 18:48.15 | espen_j | can someone tell me how to stop X from starting at boot? |
| 18:48.23 | Tigger_ | so it just slower then valdyn ? |
| 18:48.26 | valdyn | Tigger_: at least you cant get it as fast as xp in most cases, its still possible that its slower than it needs to be |
| 18:48.41 | valdyn | Tigger_: im not going to talk about it anymore without you giving precise info |
| 18:48.58 | Tigger_ | ok thankyou valdyn :) |
| 18:49.01 | GiabboO | nice:) |
| 18:49.02 | GiabboO | I like debian |
| 18:49.16 | GiabboO | if I do apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 18:49.22 | GiabboO | it will install xorg or xfree ? |
| 18:49.28 | valdyn | GiabboO: neither |
| 18:49.31 | Tigger_ | how would i go about giving more precise info valdyn ? |
| 18:49.31 | GiabboO | ah |
| 18:49.35 | GiabboO | lovely |
| 18:49.41 | GiabboO | so I need to install xorg first ^^ |
| 18:49.46 | valdyn | Tigger_: tell what exactly is slow |
| 18:49.53 | valdyn | GiabboO: or after |
| 18:49.58 | Tigger_ | everything valdyn |
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| 18:50.08 | Tigger_ | webbrowsers |
| 18:50.10 | valdyn | Tigger_: that's most likely provably wrong |
| 18:50.12 | Tigger_ | xchat |
| 18:50.16 | Tigger_ | the works |
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| 18:50.22 | valdyn | Tigger_: so you're referring to graphical stuff |
| 18:50.23 | GiabboO | how do I find xorg on apt ? |
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| 18:50.34 | Tigger_ | yes valdyn |
| 18:50.41 | valdyn | Tigger_: what's your gfx card? |
| 18:50.44 | GiabboO | apt-cache search xorg is not giving me output |
| 18:50.51 | Kronuz | it looks my initrd was gzipped |
| 18:50.52 | Tigger_ | it's a mga one |
| 18:51.01 | Kronuz | how can I "mount it to see what it's inside? |
| 18:51.02 | valdyn | !mga |
| 18:51.03 | dpkg | it has been said that mga is Matrox drivers are at http://www.matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/files/linux_09.cfm. Download and copy them to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers |
| 18:51.09 | GiabboO | !xorg |
| 18:51.09 | dpkg | methinks xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
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| 18:51.19 | Ronin | GiabboO: you run sarge by any chance? |
| 18:51.28 | valdyn | Tigger_: i cant help you with mga drivers really, you're probably using the vesa driver, which is very slow indeed |
| 18:51.33 | GiabboO | Ronin, how do I know that ? |
| 18:51.39 | Tigger_ | valdyn, 0000:00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA 1064SG [Mystique] (rev 03) |
| 18:51.43 | GiabboO | Ronin, I installed from kmuto cd |
| 18:51.55 | Tigger_ | no i'm using the correct driver valdyn |
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| 18:52.08 | Ronin | GiabboO: then maybe #kmuto would be better |
| 18:52.11 | valdyn | Tigger_: how do you know that? |
| 18:52.26 | Tigger_ | because i installed it |
| 18:52.34 | valdyn | Tigger_: how did you? |
| 18:52.43 | Tigger_ | on the install |
| 18:52.55 | GiabboO | Ronin, is a debian |
| 18:53.07 | valdyn | Tigger_: selected mga in that list where you can choose drivers for X? |
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| 18:53.13 | GiabboO | Ronin, how do I check wich release is this ? |
| 18:53.16 | Tigger_ | yes |
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| 18:53.21 | GiabboO | Sarge or woody or whatelse |
| 18:53.22 | Ronin | !kmuto |
| 18:53.23 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:53.32 | valdyn | Tigger_: no idea then if you can possibly make it faster |
| 18:53.36 | quitte | wtf is this maybe_break in the initramfs init script? |
| 18:53.40 | GiabboO | Sarge:) |
| 18:53.46 | GiabboO | ok its a Sarge |
| 18:53.52 | Tigger_ | oh ok thankyou very much for your time valdyn |
| 18:53.59 | Kronuz | what filesystem is the initrd ? |
| 18:54.08 | Kronuz | (file system type) |
| 18:54.11 | Ronin | looks like theyre all sarge adn sarge doesn't have xorg in it |
| 18:54.12 | quitte | Kronuz: it's ramfs |
| 18:54.32 | GiabboO | this got not |
| 18:54.34 | etrask | petemc: thanks for the info. do you know if there will be stable NTFS rw support soon? |
| 18:54.35 | h3sp4wn | Kronuz: cramfs for sarge |
| 18:54.39 | GiabboO | i can search for xfree |
| 18:54.42 | GiabboO | but not for xorg |
| 18:54.49 | GiabboO | how do I add it? i dont want xfree |
| 18:54.49 | Ronin | GiabboO: thats because its not in sarge |
| 18:54.58 | Ronin | GiabboO: backports perhaps? |
| 18:55.04 | valdyn | !backports |
| 18:55.05 | dpkg | backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 18:55.15 | Tigger_ | woody used to faster |
| 18:55.17 | Kronuz | h3sp4wn, :( none of them worked |
| 18:55.21 | GiabboO | ty |
| 18:55.23 | Tigger_ | can i install woody |
| 18:55.25 | Tigger_ | ? |
| 18:55.36 | valdyn | Tigger_: on a different gfx card? |
| 18:55.37 | h3sp4wn | Kronuz: Are you running sarge or etch or ? |
| 18:55.46 | Kronuz | h3sp4wn, etch |
| 18:55.48 | SlayerXP | Tigger_: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 18:55.48 | Tigger_ | no same one |
| 18:55.55 | h3sp4wn | Kronuz: Its a gzipped cpio |
| 18:55.55 | Kronuz | etch RC2 |
| 18:56.02 | valdyn | Tigger_: interesting |
| 18:56.09 | Tigger_ | oh thankyou SlayerXP , a thousound blessings :) |
| 18:56.21 | SlayerXP | my pleasure. |
| 18:56.32 | Tigger_ | but i havn't got a woody install disc now |
| 18:56.34 | Kronuz | mount says " unkown filesystem cpio" in my ubuntu :( |
| 18:56.43 | Tigger_ | can istill get a woody install disc |
| 18:56.45 | Tigger_ | ? |
| 18:57.05 | quitte | sigh. initramfs and klibc need documentation. what exists is barely useful. |
| 18:57.28 | Kronuz | h3sp4wn, or how should I mount a cpioed image? |
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| 18:57.41 | Ronin | !woody |
| 18:57.42 | dpkg | i heard woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 was terminated on 2006-06-30 |
| 18:57.46 | h3sp4wn | Kronuz: etch is not ubuntu |
| 18:57.47 | Ronin | doh |
| 18:57.52 | GiabboO | perfect |
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| 18:58.00 | GiabboO | whats the name package for xorg |
| 18:58.13 | cydork | GiabboO: xorg |
| 18:58.14 | kinux | hallo |
| 18:58.24 | kinux | everybody from romania? |
| 18:58.45 | Kronuz | h3sp4wn, nevermind, I found out how to extract it :)( |
| 18:58.45 | GiabboO | cydork, its not working |
| 18:58.49 | SlayerXP | kinux: on avergae, virtually no-one is from romania |
| 18:58.58 | h3sp4wn | Kronuz: gunzip < initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686 | cpio -i --make-directories |
| 18:59.00 | SlayerXP | average |
| 18:59.15 | Tigger_ | i might be from romania :) |
| 18:59.30 | cydork | GiabboO: are you using etch? |
| 18:59.39 | GiabboO | what is that ? :) |
| 18:59.42 | GiabboO | !etch |
| 18:59.42 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 18:59.47 | Ronin | cydork: its a kmuto install of sarge |
| 19:00.14 | h3sp4wn | Kronuz: putting it back is harder - use find . | cpio --quiet --dereference -o -H newc | gzip -9 > initrd |
| 19:00.39 | Kronuz | h3sp4wn, thanks :) |
| 19:00.41 | GiabboO | so what can I do ? |
| 19:00.45 | cydork | GiabboO: /msg dpkg sarge xorg |
| 19:00.48 | Tigger_ | where you from then kinux ? |
| 19:00.49 | GiabboO | ok |
| 19:01.07 | GiabboO | i configured the backports |
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| 19:01.40 | GiabboO | cant find xorg.. |
| 19:01.56 | bzed | GiabboO: you probably want to upgrade to etch, using backports can result in problems when you upgrade to etch... |
| 19:02.08 | bzed | assuming that you don't want to keep stuck with sarge for ever |
| 19:02.17 | bzed | !tell GiabboO about sarge->etch |
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| 19:02.47 | GiabboO | oh |
| 19:02.48 | GiabboO | nice ok |
| 19:02.52 | GiabboO | 1 sec |
| 19:03.22 | GiabboO | do I have to change the backports config ? |
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| 19:04.20 | cydork | GiabboO: if you are moving to etch , remove backports.org entries. |
| 19:04.27 | GiabboO | ok |
| 19:04.48 | GiabboO | ok |
| 19:04.51 | GiabboO | its upgrading |
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| 19:05.11 | GiabboO | lucky me I got fast connection |
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| 19:05.32 | sl1ck | ok I managed to install the fglrx driver :) how can I check if opengl is working? |
| 19:05.34 | GiabboO | after this update i can get xorg easily ? |
| 19:05.50 | GiabboO | sl1ck, on xorg ? |
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| 19:05.55 | sl1ck | GiabboO, yes |
| 19:06.00 | Kronuz | h3sp4wn, do you know of a way or a utility that can tell me what file system is something in? |
| 19:06.00 | GiabboO | sl1ck, check the logs |
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| 19:06.21 | sl1ck | GiabboO, I'd prefer some visual stuff :) |
| 19:06.35 | perlmonkey | how do i uninstall a module |
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| 19:06.58 | perlmonkey | or rather, unload |
| 19:07.16 | dkr | rmmod |
| 19:07.20 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 19:08.17 | js_ | should i use amd64 or ia64 to make use of 64-bit on a xeon processor? |
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| 19:08.42 | h3sp4wn | js_: amd64 |
| 19:08.46 | js_ | its a xeon X5355 |
| 19:08.49 | js_ | ok, thanks |
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| 19:09.05 | h3sp4wn | !ia64 |
| 19:09.05 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 19:09.31 | js_ | ah, cool |
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| 19:11.43 | scv | was there any ia64 box produced? |
| 19:11.44 | sl1ck | yay ogl works :) |
| 19:12.11 | sineer | Hi! I'm having a prob. with usb hid drvr in linux 2.6.20 plugging in a usb touch screen I get the following error: drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: timeout initializing reports |
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| 19:12.25 | sl1ck | last problem: my windows are bigger then my screen in fullscreen |
| 19:12.29 | Eulex | scv, yes |
| 19:12.55 | sineer | it works fine the first time but then whenever I replug the device I get that hid-core timeout err... I googled alot but found nothing useful.. anyone ever seen this err with a usb hid device? |
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| 19:14.06 | Kronuz | does cpio keep permissions? |
| 19:14.12 | Kronuz | (and owner, etc.) |
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| 19:21.26 | rgsteele | lmao: What a great advertisement. I brought up the manpage for 'fuser', and one of the ads was "Sex search - Find a Linux geek for intimate relationship" |
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| 19:21.51 | rgsteele | The manpage via some linuxreviews.org page :) |
| 19:22.14 | GiabboO | done! |
| 19:22.20 | GiabboO | etch is updated |
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| 19:22.28 | asg | rgsteele: install the funny-manpages and asr-manpages for the win |
| 19:22.28 | GiabboO | now i try to apt-get xorg |
| 19:22.47 | rgsteele | asg: ^_^ |
| 19:24.37 | GiabboO | done!! =) |
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| 19:26.22 | sl1ck | if I open a window to full size its right and bottom edges aren't visible, what could be wrong? |
| 19:26.38 | PinkBunny | hello guys, is anyone using squid&dansguardian combo here ... or squidguard perhaps |
| 19:26.52 | helo | sl1ck: monitor needs adjustment? |
| 19:27.19 | sl1ck | helo, its fine with vesa but not with fglrx |
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| 19:36.43 | abc4 | hi, when I want download new stable kernel: "apt-get upgrade" be enough ? |
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| 19:37.53 | streuner | no |
| 19:38.04 | panv | hello channel.. |
| 19:38.09 | streuner | upgrade doesn't effect the kernel at all |
| 19:38.23 | panv | i am having some troubles with the kernel... and i need an urgent help |
| 19:38.34 | abc4 | ?? |
| 19:38.39 | streuner | ! |
| 19:38.41 | dkr | streuner: why do you think that? |
| 19:38.42 | abrotman | abc4: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 19:38.47 | panv | i need to get my wireless to work !! |
| 19:38.54 | streuner | dkr: why do i think what? |
| 19:39.03 | streuner | dkr: use a whole sentence |
| 19:39.12 | panv | it has been two days i am reading... but i don't seem to get that |
| 19:39.14 | abrotman | that was a whole sentence |
| 19:39.22 | panv | HELP |
| 19:39.33 | streuner | abrotman: there is a missing subject ;-) |
| 19:39.34 | abrotman | we need more details |
| 19:39.38 | asg | panv: we can't help you if you don't explain what the problem is |
| 19:39.40 | panv | i only have two weeks of wired connection... and then i will have to use wireless |
| 19:39.40 | abrotman | streuner: "you" ? |
| 19:39.44 | panv | ok |
| 19:39.49 | dkr | <streuner> upgrade doesn't effect the kernel at all |
| 19:39.56 | RvGaTe | I wanted to change my screensaver... so i changed it and pressed Preview... now i cant exit the preview for some reason... i cant afford restarting X... what is the process called for the screensaver preview so i can kill it |
| 19:40.00 | streuner | dkr: sure |
| 19:40.15 | panv | i need to rebuild my kernel in order to include this sentence somehow: #define CONFIG_NET_RADIO 1 |
| 19:40.16 | streuner | dkr: apt-get upgrade doesn't touch the kernel |
| 19:40.18 | abrotman | abc4: ? |
| 19:40.26 | panv | but i cannot find the autoconf.h |
| 19:40.30 | abrotman | streuner: it will if there's a newer version available to apt |
| 19:40.36 | abrotman | !find autoconf.h sarge |
| 19:40.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'autoconf.h' (6 of 37): (/usr/share/doc/jade/autoconf.htm) in text/jade ;; (/usr/share/doc/opensp/autoconf.htm) in text/opensp ;; (/usr/include/Tw/Twautoconf.h) in libdevel/libtw-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/openjade/autoconf.htm) in text/openjade ;; (/usr/share/doc/autoconf/autoconf.html) in devel/autoconf ;; (/usr/include/sfs-0.8pre/autoconf.h) in libdevel/libsfs0-dev. |
| 19:40.46 | panv | and make menuconfig is not working |
| 19:40.51 | abrotman | !find autoconf.h$ sarge |
| 19:40.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'autoconf.h' (5 of 28): (/usr/include/Tw/Twautoconf.h) in libdevel/libtw-dev ;; (/usr/include/sfs-0.8pre/autoconf.h) in libdevel/libsfs0-dev ;; (/usr/include/wvstreams/wvautoconf.h) in libdevel/libwvstreams-dev ;; (/usr/i486-linuxlibc1/include/linux/autoconf.h) in oldlibs/libc5-altdev ;; (/usr/include/x86_64-linux/linux/autoconf.h) in libdevel/amd64-libs-dev. |
| 19:40.59 | dkr | streuner: upgrade "Upgrades installed packages to their most recent version" there is no special rule about kernels |
| 19:41.01 | abrotman | panv: why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 19:41.10 | panv | i dont know |
| 19:41.15 | panv | i want to install the wireless driver... |
| 19:41.17 | abc4 | so, when I want download and install new stable kernel for debian - what I must do ? |
| 19:41.23 | panv | i have a toshiba centrino laptop |
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| 19:41.37 | abrotman | abc4: uname -a .. show us |
| 19:41.38 | panv | and i cant operate my wireless |
| 19:41.46 | abrotman | panv: what kind of wireless is it ? |
| 19:42.05 | panv | ieee 80211 |
| 19:42.10 | panv | intel... |
| 19:42.26 | panv | i already downloaded the drivers...a nd the firmare |
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| 19:42.56 | h3sp4wn | I wonder if madwifi-old-openhal will be able to go into debian (main) after etch is released |
| 19:43.17 | panv | Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 19:43.23 | RvGaTe | anyone? i kinda cant use my computer right now :P |
| 19:43.40 | abc4 | e.g. my kernel 2.4.26 |
| 19:44.07 | hark | panv: sarge? |
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| 19:44.39 | abrotman | abc4: what's your CPU ? |
| 19:44.46 | abrotman | RvGaTe: ssh in .. kill the process |
| 19:44.47 | panv | i have debian |
| 19:44.48 | abc4 | p3 |
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| 19:44.58 | abrotman | abc4: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:44.59 | panv | hark |
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| 19:45.04 | abrotman | panv |
| 19:45.21 | panv | yes, abrotman |
| 19:45.27 | panv | ? |
| 19:45.47 | RvGaTe | abrotman, did the job, took me a while tho :P thx |
| 19:45.54 | panv | dear people... i am new in this world... so i am just getting my leg in this huge universe |
| 19:46.01 | hark | panv: what does uname -r say? |
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| 19:46.16 | panv | hark: i should type that in a shell ? |
| 19:46.30 | panv | hark: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 19:46.33 | panv | sorry |
| 19:46.41 | panv | 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 19:46.41 | abc4 | 2.6 is bettter stable-secure than 2.4 ? |
| 19:46.59 | panv | so ? |
| 19:47.06 | asg | abc4: security patches are backported to both on sarge |
| 19:47.26 | panv | uname -r says : 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 19:47.45 | hark | panv: ok, got it |
| 19:47.47 | ManuP | can someone try to ssh me? ssh -p 22 sshuser@84.59.120.31 |
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| 19:48.14 | s0cke | hi! I want to change the size of a partition on my server. I tried to do this with parted. problem is: when I'm in rescue mode there is only version 1.6 available which doesn't do its job. so I installed version 1.8 in normal mode but then I can't resize the partition, because it's mounted and being used. is it possible to unmount / or any other suggestions? |
| 19:48.19 | panv | i am told to search for this file... i suppose : /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/linux/autoconf.h |
| 19:48.59 | asg | ManuP: the port is not open or your ISP is blocking inbounds to your box. |
| 19:49.03 | panv | but i cannot find a directory "build" inside '/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp' |
| 19:49.13 | hark | panv: ipw2200-source is there in the repos. just use m-a |
| 19:49.32 | hark | you need the headers for that probably |
| 19:49.38 | asg | hark: since precompiled modules are in etch, he might as well just upgrade since etch will be stable soonishly |
| 19:49.39 | ManuP | asg that is exactly what i want to test... i am trying to forward port 22, but it seemingly dont work. |
| 19:50.02 | panv | i don't understand |
| 19:50.11 | panv | i typed m-a in the shell with no results |
| 19:50.13 | ManuP | asg, logging in wit sshuser@127.0.0.1 is no problem, loggin in over sshuser@84.59.120.31 from my terminal dont work... |
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| 19:50.36 | panv | i told you hark, i am new to linux |
| 19:50.43 | abc4 | i try this at work: "apt-get -u upgrade" output: cca 100 packages to be upgraded, - its no good for server-security, right ? |
| 19:50.53 | explody | anyone know offhand what nfs/mountd/etc option is required to allow NFS mounting of the subdirectories of an exported directory? |
| 19:51.07 | hark | ManuP: canyouseeme.org to test the ports.. |
| 19:51.18 | explody | i.e. export /path, and let a client mount /path/subdir? |
| 19:51.29 | ManuP | i did portforwarding like told in http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/ZyXEL/Prestige660HW67/SSH.htm |
| 19:51.30 | panv | please HARK, how do i use this m-a ?? |
| 19:51.49 | ManuP | i even tried to make a firewall-rule wich opens port 22 from Wan to lan. |
| 19:52.27 | hark | panv: install it |
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| 19:52.51 | asg | explody: the exports(5) manpage should tell you |
| 19:52.56 | panv | couldnt find package m-a |
| 19:53.00 | panv | hark |
| 19:53.12 | hark | panv: it's module-asistant |
| 19:53.17 | panv | sorry |
| 19:53.32 | Bracki | How does network-manager determine which driver to load? |
| 19:53.47 | hark | panv: but, i guess it's better to just upgrade to etch? |
| 19:53.55 | Bracki | or is that an issue for the pcmciautils. Ive got a pcmcia network card. |
| 19:54.01 | panv | ok hark |
| 19:54.08 | panv | i just installed it... and i ran m-a |
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| 19:54.56 | hark | run m-a prepare |
| 19:54.57 | abc4 | when I want discover what is new kernels: "apt-cache search kernel" is the right thing ? |
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| 19:55.31 | asg | abc4: or apt-get install kernel-image (it will list available installation packages) |
| 19:55.41 | panv | ok... i did so |
| 19:55.48 | panv | and it is getting me the kernel... |
| 19:55.50 | bzed | abc4: linux-image in case you're on etch |
| 19:55.53 | panv | from internet |
| 19:55.54 | xand | apt-cache search linux-image (etch) or apt-cache search kernel-image (sarge) |
| 19:56.28 | panv | waiting for headers now... |
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| 19:56.33 | Kronuz | hello |
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| 19:56.35 | panv | after this finishes... what should i do ? |
| 19:56.48 | Kronuz | I finally managed to get my Debian working in my software RAID :) |
| 19:57.07 | hark | !congratulate Kronuz |
| 19:57.07 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies Kronuz, you did it! |
| 19:57.09 | explody | asg: well, I was thinking that the subtree_check stuff might affect it, but I've tried with it enabled and disabled on the parent directory, and mounts of subdirs are still denied. Are you referencing a specific section of the manpage? |
| 19:57.15 | Kronuz | :) |
| 19:57.25 | Kronuz | now, I see it comes with gnome 2.14 |
| 19:57.38 | Kronuz | and maybe not mp3 support and stuff? |
| 19:57.39 | hark | panv: you needed the headers to even compile the source |
| 19:57.50 | panv | i think it's stuck... it's still waiting for headers |
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| 19:58.11 | Guerin | wtf |
| 19:58.21 | n3kl | Guerin: indeed |
| 19:58.22 | Kronuz | what repositories are good (mp3 support, new stuff, etc.) |
| 19:58.23 | Guerin | debian has *always* had mp3 support |
| 19:58.25 | hark | Kronuz: mp3 support is there already |
| 19:58.57 | rgsteele | Hm. Any way to track the number of blocks read/written by a particular PID? |
| 19:58.57 | Kronuz | oh |
| 19:58.57 | Kronuz | :) |
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| 19:58.58 | Kronuz | hark, what about gnome 2.18 or at least 2.16 ? |
| 19:58.58 | hark | Kronuz: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia for codecs etc |
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| 19:58.58 | n3kl | Kronuz: I have found deb multimedia to be good, however if you have an ipod, be carefull of the libgpod0 that you get from them as it will break your transfers |
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| 19:59.16 | panv | after i get the headers, i must run make menuconfig ??? hark ???/ |
| 19:59.36 | hark | panv: relax |
| 19:59.49 | panv | i cannot relax... |
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| 20:00.02 | panv | explain to me please.... |
| 20:00.33 | panv | i am not able to connect |
| 20:00.38 | panv | i cannot get from internet... |
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| 20:00.57 | hark | !find ieee80211 sarge |
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| 20:01.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ieee80211' (1): (/usr/include/newlib/net/if_ieee80211.h) in libdevel/libnewlib-headers. |
| 20:01.20 | panv | Err http://http.us.debian.org stable/main kernel-kbuild-2.6-3 2.6.8-2 |
| 20:01.20 | panv | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.20 | panv | Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 2.6.8-16sarge1 |
| 20:01.21 | panv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:01.36 | panv | that's what happened |
| 20:01.39 | outlaw84 | whats the recommended kernel for a computer running Intel Xeon Dual-core ? |
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| 20:02.24 | Kronuz | hey, is there a repository with gnome 2.18 ? |
| 20:03.22 | panv | hark.. i need to go now... please can you give me your mail address ? i must communicate with you later.. or you are always in this channel ?? |
| 20:03.26 | hark | cool a 515 error |
| 20:04.03 | panv | what was that ? hark ?? |
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| 20:04.29 | panv | ok |
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| 20:04.33 | hark | panv: try compiling them now.. or upgrade to etch. The etch kernel has the drivers in it |
| 20:04.35 | panv | finished downloading... how what >?? |
| 20:04.48 | panv | how do i compile ?? i dont know |
| 20:05.10 | n3kl | I am trying to install barnyard, during the configure I get missing mysql.h |
| 20:05.13 | hark | read the README? |
| 20:05.23 | hark | or INSTALL? |
| 20:05.37 | panv | ok... i will leave for a few duration... but don't get angry if i got back... |
| 20:05.38 | n3kl | shoudl the header file be in the package? |
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| 20:05.47 | panv | i will try on my own... thank you for your efforts... |
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| 20:07.40 | hark | you have to compile as it seems that ieee80211 is no longer in sarge |
| 20:08.57 | Kronuz | is there a repository with gnome 2.18 ? |
| 20:09.02 | hark | but it's relatively simple, just install build-essential and you have the headers already |
| 20:09.30 | asg | Kronuz: check packages.debian.org, backports.org, and #gnome on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:09.46 | panv | i have build-essential |
| 20:09.49 | panv | already |
| 20:09.51 | hark | Kronuz: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.18-status.html |
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| 20:10.29 | panv | but as u are saying... i cannot find ieee.... |
| 20:10.31 | hark | Kronuz: but etch won't have it. There's a backport of 2.16 however |
| 20:10.41 | panv | i found the ipw2200... |
| 20:10.44 | panv | but no ieee... |
| 20:10.49 | Kronuz | I see |
| 20:10.58 | Kronuz | hark, how that of the backports? |
| 20:11.06 | Kronuz | what's a backport exactly |
| 20:11.08 | Kronuz | ? |
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| 20:11.26 | asg | Kronuz: something from unstable compiled and packaged to run on stable generally |
| 20:11.31 | hark | !backport |
| 20:11.31 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific ... |
| 20:12.14 | smacnay_ | Is there a pronounced difference between iceape and iceweasel? |
| 20:12.21 | h3sp4wn | according to the faq on backports.org they are almost always from testing (except security updates then they come from unstable) |
| 20:12.25 | Heston | hello, is there not a package for steam's half life dedicated server? I looked and couldnt find anything... Am i stuck installing it manually? |
| 20:13.18 | hark | Heston: probably not |
| 20:13.57 | Heston | even freebsd has a package for the HLDS...and its a linux binary |
| 20:14.06 | n3kl | what do I need to install to get the mysql headers? |
| 20:14.13 | Kronuz | okay, say I want to have gnome 2.16 and some other newer stuff |
| 20:14.24 | Kronuz | how do I setup the backports repository? |
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| 20:14.43 | Kronuz | I guess that'll also update many packages, right? |
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| 20:15.03 | Kronuz | in synaptic, if I have several repositories, what packages will it show? the latest version only? |
| 20:15.10 | Kronuz | what about automatic upgrades? |
| 20:15.36 | Eulex | I assume it will show the version for every package with the highest priority |
| 20:15.47 | Eulex | though you can override those selections |
| 20:16.14 | Kronuz | bbiaw |
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| 20:16.21 | hark | n3kl: a libmysql*-dev package. apt-cache search it or use apt-file if you know the file needed |
| 20:16.29 | Eulex | by default, the higher the version; the higher the priority, but this can be overridden quite easily |
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| 20:16.48 | n3kl | hark: thanks, I just did |
| 20:16.59 | hark | Heston: dfsg |
| 20:17.42 | n3kl | how fast does a machine need to be to configure it as a router? |
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| 20:18.01 | Axehat | gawd.... Pango is screwed up... I can't lauch Firefox, Synaptic, Abiword or anything hardly... |
| 20:18.07 | Heston | hark, what does that have to do with anything, the package doesnt need to include the actual binary |
| 20:18.15 | Axehat | what makes it worse is I have all the packages installed and I dunno whats wrong! |
| 20:18.32 | hark | Heston: or lack of interest.. who knows? |
| 20:18.43 | Eulex | n3kl, no speed limit, but if it's too slow... the result might be slow |
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| 20:18.56 | Heston | hark, debian seems to be the most common platform for running HLDS on linux |
| 20:19.14 | n3kl | Eulex: is there a recomendation or something. I have a 350MHZ box... |
| 20:21.08 | Heston | whatever,...no big deal - ive had it running on netbsd, debian should be a walk in the part |
| 20:21.17 | Eulex | n3kl, no recommendation, because what you need for acceptable performance totally relies on how much data you want it to route, though. a 350mhz box will be very fine for a small home network, though. |
| 20:21.27 | Heston | park even |
| 20:21.57 | Heston | a 350 mhz box could handle a fairly large network even |
| 20:22.03 | n3kl | Eulex: ok, understood |
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| 20:22.20 | n3kl | I have not noticed any sort of decrease or anything even when I am pushin gigabit data through it really |
| 20:22.20 | Heston | 70 mhz could handle a small home network |
| 20:22.54 | Heston | you'll max your system buss before the processor |
| 20:23.13 | Bracki | how do i see to which package a directory belongs? |
| 20:23.31 | Eulex | !tell Bracki about search |
| 20:23.35 | n3kl | Heston: ah, |
| 20:23.50 | n3kl | Heston: would I be stupid to try and run snort on the same box then? |
| 20:24.26 | Heston | n3kl, ive never used it, although id say its wortha try |
| 20:24.35 | th0ger | The chmod g+s forces new files i the dir to unherrit the dirs group. Is it possible to force inherritance of file permissions in a similar manner? |
| 20:24.42 | Bracki | Eulex: wasnt sure this applies to dirs as well. thx |
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| 20:25.05 | Eulex | Bracki, yw |
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| 20:26.34 | blinx | how can I get my server to send me every day one file? I mean a backup... |
| 20:26.34 | blinx | ? |
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| 20:26.46 | n3kl | blinx: cron and rsync |
| 20:27.10 | blinx | I want to use cron but which command for postfix? |
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| 20:27.24 | valdyn | blinx: none, use 'mail' or 'mutt' |
| 20:27.25 | n3kl | blinx: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:27.45 | n3kl | valdyn: sounds like email to me .. =] |
| 20:27.53 | blinx | I want to generate every day a backup of a dir. Then the generated file should be sent to me per mail |
| 20:28.02 | blinx | I know how to generate the file |
| 20:28.07 | blinx | but the email thing... |
| 20:28.16 | valdyn | blinx: you realise that isps have strict attachement size restrictions? |
| 20:28.57 | blinx | hm |
| 20:28.57 | blinx | that might be a problem |
| 20:28.57 | valdyn | blinx: do an scp instead or an ftp upload |
| 20:28.57 | Heston | you shouldnt be sending large files by smtp anyways |
| 20:28.58 | n3kl | blinx: mailx -s ashjd -r email@domain.com -a file.tgz |
| 20:28.58 | Bracki | After dist-upgrading to etch should hotplug still be around? |
| 20:29.05 | valdyn | blinx: scp file yourhost:/dir/ |
| 20:29.07 | n3kl | blinx: er something like that, its been a while |
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| 20:29.17 | Bracki | i thought all that stuff is replaced by udev |
| 20:29.22 | may_drmay | hello |
| 20:29.33 | blinx | ok then scp will be the right thing |
| 20:29.34 | blinx | thx |
| 20:29.36 | blinx | cu |
| 20:29.49 | may_drmay | I need a cmake generator for dev-c++, has anyone any idea of its existance? |
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| 20:31.05 | maddash | `uname -a`: "Linux nowhere 2.6.20.3 #1 Thu Mar 22 07:37:37 EDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux" --- ooooooooooh pretty new kernel! `free`: "-/+ buffers/cache: 23496 492340" ----ooooh! tiny new kernel!! |
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| 20:35.54 | th0ger | Hi! How can i change the umask globally for a user? I can set it in bashrc, but it does of course not affect files created by other (gui)programs. |
| 20:36.02 | maddash | is no one interested in my pretty kernel? |
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| 20:37.05 | dustybin | what kind of authentication do you guys use on postfix on debian etch? |
| 20:37.14 | Eclipser | is it more pretty tahn a japanese schoolgirl? |
| 20:37.59 | Bracki | what does it mean if i have an entry "rc" in dpkg -l? i tried to purge that package but it says its already removed? |
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| 20:38.47 | th0ger | Bracki: r means removed, c means config files still exists |
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| 20:39.13 | dondelelcaro | Bracki: you want dpkg --purge foopkg; |
| 20:39.19 | maddash | Eclipser: depends on your perspective |
| 20:39.22 | th0ger | Bracki: you cannot purge an already removed file with apt-get |
| 20:39.27 | Bracki | th0ger: how do find said config files? |
| 20:39.29 | n3kl | when you take source code and to make install, it seems to me that it just pukes all over your system. Is there a better way to create a package so that dpkg will keep track of the files and such? |
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| 20:40.08 | maddash | hmm, this is funny - how can compiling a new kernel cause X11 to use less memory? |
| 20:40.10 | Coweater | n3kl: checkinstall |
| 20:40.14 | hark | Bracki: /msg dpkg purge |
| 20:40.27 | Kronuz | okay, if I'm using etch, what's the backports repositoy ? |
| 20:40.45 | th0ger | n3kl: sometimes its possibly to make a deb package. Read the README in case. |
| 20:40.45 | maddash | n3kl: some authors are kind enough to create an additional `make {de|un}install` |
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| 20:40.57 | eleftherios | how can I install two packages from experimental in etch? |
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| 20:41.06 | maddash | !backports |
| 20:41.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
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| 20:41.08 | eleftherios | is there a howto or something? |
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| 20:41.16 | robin_sz | frontports! |
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| 20:41.26 | Bracki | ok but purge does only purge files that actually belong to that package am i right? bloody udev hotplug transition really left a mess... |
| 20:41.39 | Coweater | eleftherios: depends if etch can satisfy their dependencies, if it can't you'd probably be better building them yourself |
| 20:41.40 | n3kl | maddash: so are backports newer or older packages? I thought they were newer. |
| 20:41.41 | ManuP_ | asg, can you try again? ssh -p 22 sshuser@84.59.113.94 |
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| 20:42.08 | maddash | n3kl: that was for eleftherios |
| 20:42.43 | n3kl | there, puke |
| 20:42.43 | maddash | !tell eleftherios aboout backports |
| 20:42.44 | n3kl | nothing I can do now |
| 20:42.44 | n3kl | ha |
| 20:42.44 | th0ger | Bracki: purge means removing the configuration parts of the install |
| 20:42.52 | n3kl | and why is barnyard not in apt? |
| 20:42.59 | n3kl | semms like a common package |
| 20:43.34 | Bracki | yeah but hostap-utils,alsa-base etc. also put stuff into /etc/hotplug. so hotplug is purged now but somefiles still remain... |
| 20:43.53 | n3kl | why is checkinstall not in apt |
| 20:43.56 | n3kl | that seems silly |
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| 20:44.24 | n3kl | you have to compile and puke checkinstall on your system to avoid future pukeage |
| 20:44.54 | maddash | n3kl: google it. you need to add some fancy repo to sources.list |
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| 20:45.00 | panv | hark... are you still there ??? |
| 20:45.06 | panv | it didnt work |
| 20:45.08 | panv | i think |
| 20:45.15 | th0ger | Bracki: what is the problem? Does /etc/hotplug bother you? |
| 20:45.17 | panv | when i run iwconfig... i dont get any hardware... |
| 20:45.20 | n3kl | panv: he left man |
| 20:45.28 | n3kl | panv: you scared him away |
| 20:45.28 | panv | that's why i was asked to change the configuration of my kernel |
| 20:46.44 | th0ger | How can i change the umask globally for a user? I can set it in bashrc, but it does of course not affect files created by other (gui)programs. |
| 20:46.44 | ManuP | can someone try to ssh me? ssh -p 22 sshuser@84.59.113.94 |
| 20:47.00 | Bracki | th0ger: etch dist-upgrade told me to purge it. i think udev and hotplug seem to be fighting over my drivers... |
| 20:47.09 | panv | i need to make menuconfig... somebody help me |
| 20:47.22 | hark | panv: yes, a bit busy at the moment... |
| 20:47.23 | eleftherios | thanks guys |
| 20:47.28 | panv | ok |
| 20:47.30 | th0ger | Bracki: yeah, they can be a bit of pain |
| 20:47.39 | jager | no luck ManuP |
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| 20:47.50 | hark | panv: modprobe ieee80211 and modprobe ipw2200 |
| 20:47.58 | Bracki | th0ger: do you know which dir is search for blacklists by udev? |
| 20:47.58 | georgy_ | ManuP : don't work |
| 20:48.10 | Kronuz | arghh! I can't find out how to get gnome 2.16 and Xorg 7.1, etc. in my etch box |
| 20:48.12 | n3kl | th0ger: I know there is a way, I have seen it, but I don'tknow where. Not much help, am i? |
| 20:48.15 | hark | (after placing the firmware) |
| 20:48.16 | th0ger | Bracki: no |
| 20:48.30 | ManuP | jager, georgy_ ok, thanks |
| 20:48.33 | n3kl | Kronuz: is gnome 2.16 special? |
| 20:48.36 | th0ger | n3kl: well, now i know its possibly |
| 20:48.47 | Kronuz | n3kl, well, that's what I had there in Ubuntu |
| 20:48.48 | hark | Kronuz: run X -version |
| 20:48.57 | th0ger | n3kl: but anything is possibly in linux :) |
| 20:49.02 | n3kl | th0ger: its in one of my many oriely(?) hacks books... |
| 20:49.09 | n3kl | th0ger: thank god |
| 20:49.16 | Kronuz | hark, oh, I already have that X then :) |
| 20:49.33 | n3kl | Kronuz: so whats wrong with the one in apt |
| 20:50.02 | Kronuz | hark, well, I was trying to get more current versions in my synaptic |
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| 20:50.20 | n3kl | Kronuz: I have found that when switching from a distro that has all the flashy gatgests and curtint edge stuff to debian, it is best to let the developers work out the issues. Submit to debian |
| 20:50.29 | hark | Kronuz: and there are no backports for etch |
| 20:50.30 | th0ger | Bracki: did you try 'dkpg --purge hotplug' ? |
| 20:50.33 | n3kl | Kronuz: but I am still learning debian, so by all means... |
| 20:50.39 | valdyn | Kronuz: being on the bleeding edge isnt a purpose in itself |
| 20:50.40 | hark | yet anyway... |
| 20:50.44 | ManuP | jager, i see your ip in the routers log: 217.117.42.7:63291 but it is obviously the wrong port. |
| 20:50.53 | ManuP | jager, did you try with -p 22? |
| 20:50.55 | jager | yes |
| 20:51.01 | jager | jag@stormbringer:~$ ssh -p 22 sshuser@84.59.113.94 |
| 20:51.01 | ManuP | thats odd |
| 20:51.06 | n3kl | Kronuz: sid is more edgy |
| 20:51.30 | Ankman | anybody using sox? |
| 20:51.30 | n3kl | Kronuz: that that may have been missunderstood, coming from your ubuntu mindset =] |
| 20:51.40 | valdyn | ManuP: that's his source port, not target port? |
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| 20:51.56 | ManuP | valdyn, ? i dont understand. |
| 20:52.10 | ManuP | jager, you are german? |
| 20:52.22 | Kronuz | but then what should I install? I just want to have gnome 2.16, beryl and some other new apps running (also keyboard shortcuts and stuff like that) |
| 20:52.34 | jager | no |
| 20:52.35 | hark | Kronuz: as for 2.16, someone earlier managed to install from http://www.inittab.de/ |
| 20:53.01 | Ankman | ManuP: i am, is this important? |
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| 20:53.03 | hark | he's a DD too |
| 20:53.06 | ManuP | jager, just thought, because @strombringer is a kind of german word... |
| 20:53.08 | Kronuz | hark, but then there's no way to put it in synaptic packet manager? |
| 20:53.14 | n3kl | hark: is that a durka durka? |
| 20:53.16 | n3kl | =] |
| 20:53.32 | ManuP | Ankman, no, not important. it would have made communication easyer (for me). |
| 20:53.34 | jager | !wiki stormbringer |
| 20:53.41 | Ankman | ic |
| 20:53.53 | jager | !google stormbringer wikipedia |
| 20:53.56 | Ankman | ssh probs? |
| 20:54.02 | jager | whatever |
| 20:54.13 | ManuP | Ankman, ja |
| 20:54.24 | Ankman | PM me |
| 20:54.37 | maddash | "sid is mre edgy"?! what is this, #ubuntu? |
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| 20:55.42 | ManuP | how do i write pm? |
| 20:55.48 | ManuP | nothing, forget it |
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| 21:00.43 | Bracki | do i need to build support for rt2500 wlan cards from source? |
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| 21:02.09 | Bracki | !rt2500 |
| 21:02.17 | Bracki | !ralink |
| 21:02.18 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (For list of products: http://ralink.rapla.net/ ). Ralink are notable for releasing software interface specs and (more or less buggy) GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for rt2400 and rt2500. The Ralink driver project at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com is developing a very expected rt2x00 driver. |
| 21:02.32 | ole | any stable respositories with tls enabled freeradius ? |
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| 21:03.01 | ole | can't believe stable provides freeradius packages without that openssl support |
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| 21:08.00 | stew | ole: debian cannot distribute freeradius compiled against openssl |
| 21:08.09 | stew | ole: (nor can anyone really) |
| 21:08.13 | stew | ole: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/f/freeradius/freeradius_1.0.2-4sarge3/freeradius.copyright |
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| 21:11.36 | ole | what's FreeRadius good for in this crippled way? |
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| 21:11.50 | Bracki | whats the normal reason apt-get update doesnt work anymore? i've tried 3 different mirrors all complain... |
| 21:12.02 | grendal_prime | is there some sort of "scandisk" equivelent? |
| 21:12.02 | stew | ole: are you suggesting that debian stop distributing freeradius at all? |
| 21:12.51 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have installed php4 php4-xslt php4-domxml , when i run just phpinfo() , there is no section of xslt listed. can anyone help me out on this ? appreciate it. restarted apache2 just to be on the safe side |
| 21:12.58 | stew | ole: becuase until the freeradius modules depending on openssl are distrubuted under a different license, its not legal for debian to distribute them compiled against openssl, right now they are gpl licensed which is not compatible with the openssl license |
| 21:13.08 | stew | err openssl licenses rather |
| 21:13.25 | grendal_prime | i mean ...in linux i thought there was a way to check disk integraty without, actually rebooting the machine. |
| 21:13.39 | stew | grendal_prime: there is fsck |
| 21:13.43 | ole | stew, you mean NOBODY in the world, no other distro distributes freeradius packages with openssl support ? |
| 21:14.13 | petemc | thelostbutler: is there any mention of xslt in php.ini? |
| 21:14.55 | stew | ole: no. that's not what i mean. i mean simply this. debian does not have permission to distribute them compiled against openssl becuase the licenses conflict. If someone is distributing them compiled against openssl then either A) they got some permission from the authors of the modules which has not been granted to debian or B) they are doing so in violation of the GPL |
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| 21:15.54 | stew | ole: debian is not going to be willing to distribute software in a way which is strictly prohibited by the copyright holders as that would be illegal |
| 21:16.21 | stew | ole: other distributions probably don't care so much about violating the copyrights |
| 21:16.25 | thelostbutler | petemc: i dunno, i will have to check |
| 21:16.39 | petemc | might be an idea |
| 21:16.48 | ole | I'm not very into license topics and I usually get lost in this kind of issues but... |
| 21:16.56 | stew | ole: you are free to recompile the debian packages to re-enable openssl, but you would not be allowed to redistribute the resulting packages legally |
| 21:17.01 | Bracki | is it normal that mirrors appear to be broken? Cant get packages.gz,soruces.gz? |
| 21:17.04 | ole | but why something with a name like openssl gives so much trouble? |
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| 21:17.49 | stew | ole: openssl doesn't give any trouble. its the fact that the authors of the freeradius modules released the software under a license which prohibits it from being distrubited with openssl in a binary form (the GPL) |
| 21:18.01 | ole | and why did they do that? |
| 21:18.11 | stew | ole: probably becuase they don't know any better |
| 21:19.13 | stew | ole: the openssl license states that if you compile against it, you must put "This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project" into the resulting software. they GPL strictly prohibits such a requirement |
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| 21:19.37 | thelostbutler | petemc: grep -i xslt /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini shows nothing. i thought installing the package php4-xslt would have the scripts to modify php.ini |
| 21:19.50 | stew | ole: http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html |
| 21:19.50 | ole | the GPL prohibits to put a simple line like that ? |
| 21:19.54 | stew | ole: yes |
| 21:19.56 | petemc | thelostbutler: that doesnt appear to always be the case |
| 21:21.02 | thelostbutler | petemc:ok, what should i be doing now ? i dunno how to modify php.ini , i guess i will rtfm |
| 21:21.02 | stew | ole: http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html see part 6 where it talks about "You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein." |
| 21:21.17 | stew | ole: err, not that url, but read the GPL and look at part 6 |
| 21:21.28 | dwon | Does anybody know what package replaces the old mime-codecs (base64-encode/decode) package? |
| 21:21.37 | Bracki | somebody have a look at #flood please and tell me whats wrong with my apt-get.... |
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| 21:22.41 | ole | ok stew, thanks for all the information |
| 21:22.43 | maddash | Bracki: pastebin it |
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| 21:24.01 | stew | ole: you can try writing to the copyright holders and ask that they make an exception for openssl |
| 21:25.15 | Supaplex | !tls |
| 21:25.16 | dpkg | well, tls is Transport Layer Security (ssl), or Thread-Local Storage, or in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, translated to ThreeLetter Acronym |
| 21:25.51 | Bracki | http://pastebin.ca/407058 |
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| 21:29.04 | grendal_prime | stew would fsck work on a windows partion? |
| 21:29.07 | maddash | Bracki: well, it's a pity that I can't read german... |
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| 21:30.24 | stew | grendal_prime: fsck.vfat would work on fat, i dunno about ntfs |
| 21:30.35 | Bracki | maddash: basically it says "Cant get sources.gz" Cant get packages.gz |
| 21:30.35 | maddash | dubious |
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| 21:30.50 | streuner | Bracki: show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 21:30.53 | stew | Bracki: can you paste your sources.list? |
| 21:30.58 | maddash | Bracki: the server's probably down. have you tried apt-spy? |
| 21:31.16 | stew | Bracki: it looks like you have somehting like ftp.de.debian.org/pub/Linux/debian instead of ftp.de.debian.org/debian |
| 21:31.27 | grendal_prime | but is fsck similar to windows scandisk? |
| 21:31.32 | stew | maddash: if the server was down it wouldn't be able to return a 404 |
| 21:32.06 | streuner | the server isn't down |
| 21:32.08 | Bracki | yeah ok... |
| 21:32.33 | stew | weird when did "CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV=y" stop being =m ? |
| 21:32.33 | Bracki | but uni-erlangen was unreachable thats why i changed didnt change the path tohugh. thx |
| 21:32.36 | streuner | so you have a network problem or your sources.list isn't ok |
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| 21:33.03 | stew | ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/Linux/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz is definately the wrong url for ftp.de.d.o |
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| 21:33.21 | streuner | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 21:33.31 | Bracki | thx working already... |
| 21:33.55 | jeward | I want to edit the root crontab via a script, but: EDITOR=ed crontab -e <<EOF doesn't seem to work. |
| 21:34.10 | jeward | Is there a better way to edit crontab from a script? |
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| 21:35.19 | jeward | Oh, I found something, thanks. :-) |
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| 21:38.53 | blx | how do i run a network app on a certain if? |
| 21:39.00 | blx | like i want wine to use br0 |
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| 21:42.00 | Lovecraft | Anyone else running Etch and getting odd termtype problems? |
| 21:42.32 | streuner | What does BTS say about? |
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| 21:43.29 | stew | Lovecraft: be more specific about your problem |
| 21:43.51 | JoshH | anyone else using sid and having strange issues? |
| 21:44.11 | Lovecraft | I am missing the line-drawing characters; I get the asci approximations. |
| 21:44.14 | streuner | JoshH: yes, read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:44.41 | Lovecraft | For example in alsamixer, its all on-linedrawing |
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| 21:45.28 | streuner | !tell JoshH about doesn't work |
| 21:45.29 | Lovecraft | *If I set TERM to pcansi it shows the extended character set, but introduses slowdown and some problems with keys. |
| 21:45.57 | streuner | JoshH: Does those "strange" issues have names? |
| 21:46.00 | JoshH | i was actually joking but whatever |
| 21:46.07 | streuner | :-) |
| 21:46.30 | JoshH | :) |
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| 21:48.01 | kupesoft | Is there any way to check if a pipe connection is broken? |
| 21:48.19 | kupesoft | Woops, |
| 21:48.21 | Ronin | look for water on the floor? |
| 21:48.24 | kupesoft | ##c.... |
| 21:49.04 | Ronin | best i could do |
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| 21:49.18 | Lovecraft | Would this have anything to do with ncurses? |
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| 21:52.29 | streuner | Lovecraft: check BTS |
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| 21:52.29 | Lovecraft | 'BTS'? |
| 21:52.35 | streuner | !bts |
| 21:52.36 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:52.45 | Lovecraft | Oh .. okay. :) |
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| 21:53.51 | Snuggles2000 | hmm..does anyone else experience a lot of lag on websites with transparency? |
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| 21:55.39 | usr_rob | ext3 can't spin down when the disk is not in use, right? |
| 21:55.57 | TTT | hi, how do I make a bootable debian netinst USB flash drive with windows? (there was rawrite for making boot floppies, is there anything for flash drives?) |
| 21:56.01 | streuner | asg: ping |
| 21:57.09 | PingFloyd | TTT: you probably need Linux up to pull it off |
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| 21:57.46 | TTT | hmmz, my linux box has no USB drive, this notebook does :-\ I'm too lazy to get pxe netboot working |
| 21:58.00 | TTT | i mean SD flash drive |
| 21:58.47 | TTT | PingFloyd, it is usually done with syslinux? |
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| 22:00.43 | suppaman | hello |
| 22:00.50 | suppaman | anyone using La Fonera ? |
| 22:01.09 | Supaplex | !tell suppaman -about ask |
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| 22:02.21 | Ronin | TTT: why not tell the computer that the usb key is A:\ ? |
| 22:02.31 | Ronin | no promises though |
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| 22:03.25 | suppaman | ok, I've got this damn router, and I connected it to a NIC of mine. How do I configure it ? Do I have to assume it is using dhcp ? |
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| 22:03.43 | TTT | Ronin, what do you mean? I think i can force bios to boot from notebook SD card reader, but how do I write a working debian image onto an SD card from windows |
| 22:04.21 | suppaman | install guide has the dumbest instructions ever (for win) and says to refer to the manual for further configuration, I inserted the cd and what I found on it ? the installation guide, in pdf and swf (!) |
| 22:04.23 | suppaman | but no manual |
| 22:04.25 | Supaplex | suppaman: many soho routers have a web interface. if you want to configure the nic, see man 5 interfaces. for the router, use the ip http://ip.ip.ip.ip. get the ip from route -n |
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| 22:05.10 | TTT | Ronin, nevermind, i think i'll sooner bake a debian CD than get flash working |
| 22:05.14 | suppaman | Supaplex: I'm not dumb at it, but how can route -n show an address if the thing hasn't got one ? |
| 22:05.20 | Supaplex | but it's so much fun with off brand gear, isn't it? ;) |
| 22:05.42 | streuner | TTT: http://www.althack.com/2006/03/10/how-to-run-linux-on-a-usb-drive/ |
| 22:05.52 | Supaplex | has it been in use before now? try resetting it, mabye it'll use dhcp again. |
| 22:06.04 | TTT | suppaman, usually those routers get some default IP like 192.168.64.1 or something |
| 22:06.11 | suppaman | Supaplex: I just unboxed it, but my config is rather atypical |
| 22:06.20 | TTT | suppaman, so you make your IP in same subnet, and connect to it to configure |
| 22:06.31 | PingFloyd | TTT: are you trying to get an install going on the laptop? |
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| 22:06.36 | suppaman | you should clarify "your IP" pls |
| 22:06.37 | Supaplex | if you have tcpdump installed, you can listen on the wire for any clues |
| 22:06.47 | TTT | suppaman, and if I were you, i'd sniff some traffic with tcpdump, you might find some clues |
| 22:06.52 | Supaplex | ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up |
| 22:06.59 | suppaman | the "LAN" led is still off |
| 22:07.10 | asg | streuner: pong |
| 22:07.39 | suppaman | Supaplex: I've got a wireless card (that connects my debian box to internet), a 100mbit nic for moving data and a 10mbit I connected the fon to |
| 22:07.40 | TTT | PingFloyd, yup, i have a lenovo notebook with winxp, i'm trying to get debian into it. I don't have spare blank CDs with me, but I have an SD flash card, and this notebook has a reader, so i thought maybe i should use that\ |
| 22:07.55 | TTT | PingFloyd, i should check if it is capable of booting from SD card though |
| 22:08.00 | PingFloyd | TTT: does it have a floppy drive? |
| 22:08.07 | suppaman | Supaplex: so let's say eth1 is 192.168.2.1 and I've connected the router to it |
| 22:08.24 | TTT | PingFloyd, nope, it has dvrrw |
| 22:08.25 | TTT | !! |
| 22:08.25 | suppaman | I'd expect that a stupid sheet in the box would have told me what the default ip is, but it's not the case |
| 22:08.25 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 22:08.43 | TTT | i have an ubuntu CD, i'll boot it on the notebook and make a flash image from there |
| 22:08.57 | suppaman | so seeing that the lan led is still off I came here (not being able to think of a more skilled place) to ask if someone went through it |
| 22:08.58 | PingFloyd | TTT: cd or floppy is your easiest and least hassle |
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| 22:09.26 | streuner | asg: they playing actually good music (URL i gave you before...) :-) |
| 22:09.26 | TTT | PingFloyd, cd is easiest, ok, nevermind, i'll get it working. it ain't my first time |
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| 22:09.51 | TTT | cya, rebooting |
| 22:09.56 | PingFloyd | TTT: debootstrap is another |
| 22:10.12 | Supaplex | the soho router isn't really a debian issue anyhow. if the supplied docs by the vendor don't help, and our ideas don't fly, maybe it's time for more research, or a different product. *shrug* |
| 22:10.21 | pikko | Hi, I wuld like an advice in choosing application for web forum in debian. Could anyone advise? |
| 22:10.28 | asg | streuner: cool! |
| 22:10.54 | suppaman | Supaplex: I know know, I simply a) like debian b) didn't know where to ask |
| 22:11.06 | Supaplex | *nod* |
| 22:11.08 | suppaman | Supaplex: and this came for free |
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| 22:11.35 | maddash | streuner: "Internal Server Error" |
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| 22:12.17 | streuner | maddash: heh |
| 22:12.51 | suppaman | I'm installing dhcpd |
| 22:13.08 | suppaman | and now this becomes a debian issue :-) |
| 22:13.24 | Supaplex | hehehe |
| 22:13.27 | suppaman | do you guys upgrade often ? |
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| 22:13.37 | suppaman | I'm on testing |
| 22:13.38 | asg | suppaman: it depends on what we are running |
| 22:13.43 | suppaman | testing |
| 22:13.48 | maddash | I'm on gentoo. I'm always upgraded. heh. |
| 22:13.59 | suppaman | asg: sry I read "what you are running" |
| 22:14.37 | asg | suppaman: on anything that isn't stable, I'd update daily after checking to make sure nothing is horribly broken. Otherwise, keep an eye on the security-announce list and update only when needed. |
| 22:14.50 | Supaplex | for security related issues, frequently (when they're presented). for other sundry things, only when I have lots of spare time/bandwidth, for bug reportting, and any need (feature improvements) |
| 22:14.58 | asg | maddash: I thought you guys were in constant upgrade mode? |
| 22:15.25 | Ronin | asg: they're always in install mode as it takes so damn long ;) |
| 22:16.18 | asg | Ronin: well, gentoo isn't well suited to my P200 with 48M of RAM. |
| 22:16.27 | Ronin | asg: ya think heh |
| 22:16.45 | Supaplex | !gentoosmite P200 |
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| 22:16.54 | pikko | wha is this gentoo x debian ? |
| 22:17.00 | asg | Supaplex: P200 runs OpenBSD these days |
| 22:17.06 | asg | pikko: a little fun |
| 22:17.09 | Supaplex | spiffy. |
| 22:17.26 | Supaplex | I have a p166 running as a radius box |
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| 22:17.32 | PingFloyd | you forgot that it crashed %20 more often :) |
| 22:17.33 | pikko | asg: wh is the winning part right now? |
| 22:17.47 | pikko | s/part/party/ |
| 22:17.54 | asg | pikko: Debian would seem to be leading by a nose |
| 22:18.10 | asg | granted, it's a big nose |
| 22:18.10 | pikko | asg: Just asking as I like both |
| 22:18.34 | Supaplex | I should toss bsd on my p500 just to test a missing tape drive issue I'm seeing on my other box (ala fiber channel) |
| 22:18.50 | pikko | BSD attack ... |
| 22:19.16 | Supaplex | it beats using open slowaris |
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| 22:20.13 | maddash | Supaplex: if that were the case, the recompiling was probably done wrong. |
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| 22:20.32 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 22:20.50 | asg | hi confrey, have you brought us beer? |
| 22:20.55 | PingFloyd | Supaplex: guess you didn't rice it enough :P |
| 22:21.12 | confrey | asg, yes, wwhat kind of beer do you prefere? |
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| 22:21.31 | asg | confrey: I'm equal opportunity though I have a soft spot for Sam Smith's |
| 22:21.54 | Supaplex | !beer root asg |
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| 22:22.18 | fluke | Hello! I have an odd problem, wondering if anyone else reported this.. upgrading a "testing" system from linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 to linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, my gigabit NIC becomes "eth1" (driver==e1000) while it used to be eth0 in 2.6.18-3... funny thing is, nothing else is eth0... any suggestions, other than reverting to 2.6.18-3 ? |
| 22:22.20 | asg | danke |
| 22:22.22 | Ronin | always wanted to try dogfish |
| 22:22.23 | confrey | asg, I don't speak English so well to understand humour and jokes.... |
| 22:22.46 | asg | confrey: I meant that I'd drink almost any beer but I rather like Sam Smith's (from Tadcaster, UK) |
| 22:22.55 | stew | Ronin: what is stopping you? (its excellent stuff btw) |
| 22:23.13 | confrey | asg, uh, OK, UK? I'm in Italy |
| 22:23.14 | Ronin | stew: little thing of not being available here |
| 22:23.37 | asg | confrey: ah |
| 22:23.46 | pikko | asg: what state are you from? |
| 22:23.58 | asg | pikko: in .us? |
| 22:24.11 | pikko | And you prefer english beer? |
| 22:24.12 | confrey | I need a help : I can't compile a wifi module,,,, make compiles it, but I have some warnings, and then I can't load new module |
| 22:24.22 | Ronin | pikko: nothing wrong with english beer |
| 22:24.24 | asg | pikko: No, I'm English, I just live here |
| 22:24.30 | pikko | ah |
| 22:24.31 | Ronin | heck theres some outstanding american brews as well |
| 22:24.42 | pikko | well, what about dutch one? |
| 22:24.44 | asg | Ronin: indeed. There is a local called Red Oak that is rather good |
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| 22:24.56 | dunker | heineken ;] |
| 22:25.04 | Ronin | dunker: ewww in a pinch |
| 22:25.09 | dunker | lol |
| 22:25.09 | confrey | can anybody help me? |
| 22:25.16 | asg | heineken is the elixer of 'girls gone wild' |
| 22:25.17 | pikko | confrey: maybe |
| 22:25.28 | streuner | asg: haha |
| 22:25.32 | Ronin | confrey: please be specific |
| 22:25.35 | asg | confrey: just ask your question and we'll do our best |
| 22:25.44 | pikko | confrey: yes, we all |
| 22:25.45 | confrey | ok |
| 22:25.50 | stew | confrey: what module? |
| 22:26.02 | pikko | confrey: what kernel version |
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| 22:26.08 | edhat | hey guys |
| 22:26.25 | TTT | PingFloyd, heh, this notebook cannot boot from it's flash reader, and ubuntu x64 crashed while starting hotplug. It seems i'll have to buy and bake a propper debian netinst CD tomorow. good night and thanks for your help |
| 22:26.28 | confrey | ok, I have etch, kernel 22.6.18-4-k7 |
| 22:26.31 | streuner | edhat: did you try 'beyond-grace' yet? |
| 22:26.38 | confrey | and its headers |
| 22:26.41 | PingFloyd | TTT: check out debootstrap |
| 22:26.59 | PingFloyd | TTT: that may be the best solution for you since you have a liveCD to work with |
| 22:27.12 | confrey | Ihave rtl818x-1.0.1-b.tar.gz |
| 22:27.16 | PingFloyd | TTT: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 |
| 22:28.20 | pikko | confrey: what your dmesg/messages says? |
| 22:28.27 | suppaman | I'm pretty noob at dhcpd'ing, what's this file that has to be loaded by a dhcp client ? |
| 22:28.29 | confrey | make gives me a long list of messages like this : WARNING: "ieee80211_wx_get_freq" [/usr/src/rtl818x-1.0.1-b/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl818x.ko] undefined! |
| 22:28.56 | streuner | suppaman: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 22:29.11 | stew | !m-a confrey ieee80211 |
| 22:29.12 | dpkg | confrey: to compile and install ieee80211 for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 && modprobe ieee80211 ; if this works echo ieee80211 >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
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| 22:29.33 | TTT | since it's already late tonight, i'll wait for tomorow and buy a blank CD. Less hassle this way. Yeah, somehow i never thought about debootstraip, i did know such a tool existed |
| 22:29.39 | TTT | thanks again, good night |
| 22:29.58 | pikko | hey, could anyone advise good phorum in debian? |
| 22:30.16 | pikko | sfaesafe, secure, running, |
| 22:30.17 | Ronin | phorum? you mean a web forum? |
| 22:30.20 | confrey | dpkg, do you mean ieee802 is missing in my system? |
| 22:30.21 | pikko | yes |
| 22:30.26 | streuner | most debian users just use ML's or IRC |
| 22:30.26 | suppaman | streuner: but I need to setup the server |
| 22:30.29 | pikko | Ronin: yes |
| 22:30.40 | stew | confrey: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:30.41 | Ronin | pikko: www.linuxquestions.org isnt bad |
| 22:30.42 | streuner | suppaman: well, read the doc of the dhcp server then |
| 22:30.48 | stew | !linuxquestions |
| 22:30.49 | dpkg | DON'T bother going to linuxquestions.org for help. By and large the people there are Red Hat tools or Mandrake tards or Knoppix morons who don't know a goddamn motherfucking thing about debian, and do nothing but lead innocent newbies astray. See http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/26/2004/06/2/154223 |
| 22:30.58 | confrey | 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 22:31.08 | stew | confrey: nevermind then, you already have ieee80211 |
| 22:31.17 | Ronin | stew: i disagree (again) just ignore the other forums and debian fork questions and its not too bad |
| 22:31.23 | pikko | Ronin: no, I am sorry to be confusing, I search some application to serve as a forum |
| 22:31.26 | stew | Ronin: i have no idea |
| 22:31.34 | Ronin | ahh now i understand pikko |
| 22:31.48 | suppaman | streuner: and that's what I'm doing |
| 22:32.16 | suppaman | streuner: but the host section has a mandatory filename options that refers to the file that a client has to load |
| 22:32.19 | confrey | stew, I have some modules about ieee802, provided by the source modules |
| 22:32.24 | suppaman | do dhcp has to load a file at all ? |
| 22:32.27 | suppaman | dhco clients |
| 22:32.32 | ManuP | how do i kick an ssh-logged in user? |
| 22:32.32 | suppaman | damn |
| 22:32.45 | bzed | kill -u user for example |
| 22:32.45 | suppaman | do dhcp clients have to load a file at all? |
| 22:32.55 | suppaman | lots of typo |
| 22:32.56 | stew | ManuP: kill his sshd process, or if you want to kill all of his processes, use slay |
| 22:33.05 | suppaman | anyway I'm tired |
| 22:33.06 | streuner | suppaman: well, there is a config file |
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| 22:33.25 | suppaman | 'night |
| 22:33.32 | ManuP | stew, slay... sounds not so nice but okay. |
| 22:33.34 | ManuP | thanks |
| 22:33.37 | streuner | suppaman: /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 22:33.57 | streuner | suppaman: pump uses no config file at all, IIRC |
| 22:34.05 | fluke | or /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf depending on the dhcp client you use.. |
| 22:34.09 | stew | ManuP: kicking an ssh-logged in user doesn't sound nice either, so perhaps the two are well matched |
| 22:34.32 | dustybin | if your logged in as root, what command can u use to list all the added users on the system? |
| 22:34.41 | streuner | fluke: too late |
| 22:34.49 | streuner | who, w |
| 22:34.56 | stew | dustybin: getent passwd |
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| 22:36.31 | fluke | hmm quick question, can anyone suggest a mirror that has old deb packages? I'm looking for linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 (and related packages like headers) and all I can find thru packages.debian.org is 2.6.18-4.. |
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| 22:36.40 | stew | fluke: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 22:36.59 | fluke | aaah thanks stew!! |
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| 22:38.32 | pacneil | I'm trying to find the place where you reconfigure the network device in etch |
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| 22:38.41 | stew | pacneil: man interfaces |
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| 22:38.54 | dustybin | /etc/network |
| 22:38.57 | pacneil | no, not the interfaces file |
| 22:39.04 | pacneil | I changed hardware |
| 22:39.12 | stew | pacneil: /etc/modules |
| 22:39.43 | stew | pacneil: or to rename interfaces /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 22:40.03 | TTT_Travis | I need to take John Smitherson for example and make it generate smithjoh for a username, using sed or something |
| 22:40.16 | TTT_Travis | I need if for a script to generate usernames based off full name |
| 22:40.58 | TTT_Travis | so enter "John Smitherson" come out with "smithjoh" |
| 22:41.06 | TTT_Travis | first 5 letters of last, first 3 of first |
| 22:41.07 | maddash | 'joh'? |
| 22:41.43 | maddash | TTT_Travis: what if I enter "Justin G. Wong"? |
| 22:42.03 | TTT_Travis | that wouldn't happen the script always passes "Justin Wong" |
| 22:42.09 | pacneil | is there no configuration file that you can go into and say etho is tg3? |
| 22:42.16 | TTT_Travis | which would output " wongjus" |
| 22:42.18 | pacneil | eth0 |
| 22:42.43 | stew | pacneil: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules will let you set it by hardware address |
| 22:42.45 | TTT_Travis | if there isn't 5 letters it should use whatever is there |
| 22:44.17 | asg | TTT_Travis: I'd suggest visiting perlmonks.org |
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| 22:44.45 | TTT_Travis | asg problem is it would have to be just bash |
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| 22:45.13 | asg | TTT_Travis: why? sed is not 'just bash' |
| 22:45.44 | fluke | thanks all, good night... |
| 22:47.20 | TTT_Travis | asg, ok sed is one of the few tools I have access too, this has to work on windows batch (ick) too unfortunately |
| 22:47.30 | stew | hah |
| 22:47.51 | stew | TTT_Travis: what about awk? |
| 22:47.54 | Supaplex | perl > cmd.exe |
| 22:48.01 | asg | TTT_Travis: you are probably better off installing cygwin and using Perl, unless you know some vbscript or somesuch |
| 22:48.02 | TTT_Travis | obviously |
| 22:48.15 | TTT_Travis | asg not going to happen with cygwin |
| 22:48.18 | TTT_Travis | I could get awk |
| 22:48.22 | Supaplex | what else do you expect us to say? :P |
| 22:48.38 | asg | TTT_Travis: it could be done with awk or anything that has decent regex support |
| 22:48.41 | TTT_Travis | this script will be ran when a windows user logs in, so I would need cygwin on all of the clients |
| 22:48.51 | TTT_Travis | asg could you possibly help me with awk? |
| 22:49.03 | asg | TTT_Travis: it might be worth consulting the wizards in #awk |
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| 22:49.17 | helloyo | how can i log into someones computer who is behind a router? |
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| 22:49.43 | TTT_Travis | k |
| 22:49.43 | Supaplex | with port forwarding, or ipv6 |
| 22:49.48 | Supaplex | helloyo: ^^^ |
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| 22:50.08 | helloyo | Supaplex: thanks! |
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| 22:51.14 | TTT_Travis | actually I don't think there is a awk.exe for windows ;( |
| 22:51.20 | TTT_Travis | bleh, windows sucks for scripting |
| 22:51.28 | fausto | un informazione |
| 22:51.36 | Supaplex | TTT_Travis: look for win32 gnu utils |
| 22:51.37 | fausto | ultimamente nut mi da un problemino su un sistema |
| 22:51.50 | fausto | ripete 3 volte ogni volta che accade un evento |
| 22:51.51 | asg | fausto: /msg dpkg it |
| 22:52.05 | fausto | ad esempio se va on battery |
| 22:52.09 | fausto | lo ripete tre volte |
| 22:52.13 | asg | fausto: this is an English only channel |
| 22:52.13 | Supaplex | !it |
| 22:52.14 | asg | !it |
| 22:52.14 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 22:52.16 | LightKnight | fausto: this is not #debian-it :) |
| 22:52.22 | fausto | ah asg i'm sorry |
| 22:52.28 | TTT_Travis | Supaplex it has gawk, is that the same as awk? |
| 22:52.35 | fausto | i didn't read the channel name |
| 22:52.38 | fausto | :> sorry |
| 22:52.40 | asg | TTT_Travis: yes, gawk is GNU awk |
| 22:52.41 | Supaplex | TTT_Travis: pretty much |
| 22:52.43 | LightKnight | fausto: :-) |
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| 22:53.02 | helloyo | Supaplex: so how would i connect using the ipv6 address? |
| 22:53.15 | TTT_Travis | ok great |
| 22:53.22 | Supaplex | ssh -6 |
| 22:54.17 | stew | TTT_Travis: its going to be something like awk '{print tolower( substr( $1, 0, 3) ) tolower( substr( $NF, 0 5 ) )}' (untested) |
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| 22:54.32 | helloyo | Supaplex: thanks again! |
| 22:54.50 | fausto | i have a problem with nut. network ups tools |
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| 22:55.17 | stew | TTT_Travis: err awk '{print tolower( substr( $NF, 0, 3) ) tolower( substr( $1, 0, 5 ) )}' (tested) |
| 22:55.26 | TTT_Travis | k let me play with that a little bit |
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| 22:55.35 | fausto | it repeat 3 times alla messages and action ... in case of an ONbattery status it repeat 3 times the message and then repeat 3 times the actions linked to this event |
| 22:55.56 | TTT_Travis | stew where are the variables in that? |
| 22:56.15 | TTT_Travis | can you give me an example that contains a Firstname and a lastname? |
| 22:56.17 | TTT_Travis | like |
| 22:56.19 | stew | TTT_Travis: what do you mean? $1 refers to the first word and $NF refers to the last |
| 22:56.25 | asg | TTT_Travis: $1, $NF |
| 22:56.30 | TTT_Travis | ok I think I got you |
| 22:56.33 | stew | TTT_Travis: echo "John G. Wang" | awk '{print tolower( substr( $NF, 0, 3) ) tolower( substr( $1, 0, 5 ) )}' |
| 22:56.39 | TTT_Travis | k |
| 22:56.49 | TTT_Travis | thanks |
| 22:56.51 | TTT_Travis | works great |
| 22:57.11 | stew | oh, the 3 and 5 are probably backwards from what you asked for |
| 22:57.15 | TTT_Travis | yeah |
| 22:57.21 | asg | TTT_Travis: make sure to test boundary cases before going into production |
| 22:57.40 | TTT_Travis | wangjo |
| 22:57.52 | TTT_Travis | shouldn't it be wangjoh if it's 5 and 3? |
| 22:57.55 | stew | TTT_Travis: it might not do what you want if there is only a single name |
| 22:58.31 | TTT_Travis | guess I just need to do 6 and 4 |
| 22:58.37 | stew | TTT_Travis: you sholdn't |
| 22:58.39 | TTT_Travis | and yes this does what I want |
| 22:58.51 | TTT_Travis | travis@server:~$ echo "John Wangon" | awk '{print tolower( substr( $NF, 0, 5) ) tolower( substr( $1, 0, 4 ) )}' |
| 22:58.51 | TTT_Travis | wangjoh |
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| 22:59.16 | stew | $ echo "John Wangon" | awk '{print tolower( substr( $NF, 0, 5) ) tolower( substr( $1, 0, 4 ) )}' |
| 22:59.19 | stew | wangojohn |
| 22:59.30 | asg | I dub the 'wangojohn' |
| 22:59.31 | TTT_Travis | so that command gives different output for you? |
| 22:59.37 | asg | *thee |
| 23:00.08 | stew | he, i get wangojohn with gawk and original-awk and wangjoh with mawk |
| 23:00.17 | stew | gotta love it |
| 23:00.54 | asg | stew: one is 0 indexed, the other 1 perhaps? |
| 23:01.28 | stew | asg: oh, with s/0/1/g they all agree |
| 23:01.46 | asg | stew: looks that way |
| 23:01.54 | asg | stew: that's why it's always better to use Perl ;) |
| 23:02.09 | helloyo | Supaplex: sorry, i'm still having trouble connecting and finding information, with the IPV6 address should i be able to run 'ssh -6 IP6ADDRESS' |
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| 23:03.04 | TTT_Travis | now I have to figure out how to use this on windows with gawk.exe |
| 23:04.03 | stew | TTT_Travis: use substr( $NF,1,5) and substr( $1, 1, 3 ) |
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| 23:04.04 | Kronuz | hello |
| 23:04.04 | Kronuz | (again ^_^) |
| 23:04.05 | Kronuz | hey, how can I make my calculator start when I press the calculator button in my keyboard? |
| 23:04.36 | fedx | what device is a firewire hd... i can't get it to mount |
| 23:04.42 | Kronuz | (volume is working now, I changed it in the Desktop->Preferences->Keyboard shortcuts |
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| 23:04.50 | Kronuz | (but the calculator is not there) |
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| 23:05.26 | baggend | Anyone know why it is that Debian systems seem to get progressively slower as more packages are installed? It's getting to the point that new packages take well over a minute to install. |
| 23:05.26 | asg | fedx: anything show up in the output of 'dmesg'? |
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| 23:05.39 | baggend | (not counting download time of course) |
| 23:05.52 | kleber | hello folks, does anybody use/know about intel S3000AH mother board and Debian ? The chipset is an intel S3000 ??? |
| 23:05.54 | asg | baggend: is your system reeeeaaaalllly old? |
| 23:06.08 | helloyo | could somebody help me SSH into my system using IPV6? |
| 23:06.15 | TTT_Travis | stew, him on windows I replaced the single quote with double so it would run without error, but my output is wango"jo |
| 23:06.18 | baggend | asg: Hardware or software? |
| 23:06.22 | asg | baggend: hardware |
| 23:06.30 | ManuP | Ankman, was ist passiert? |
| 23:06.39 | Kronuz | same with the logoff button and the sleep button... and the other buttons in the keyboard |
| 23:06.44 | lunitik | Kronuz: you may went to tell people what desktop you're using... or perhaps even join the channel corresponding to that desktop... #debian is mostly relating to packaging and other general system things |
| 23:06.46 | fedx | asg: nothing of use |
| 23:06.46 | baggend | asg: Not exactly... :) (Dual-core athlon 64, 2 GB of RAM, RAID 0 hd's) |
| 23:07.00 | fedx | asg: it does not show under fdisk either |
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| 23:07.12 | phreqmod | I have noted the same... my system is almost new and quite speedy, but I can note a certain difference past a certain number of packages. Nothing much, but it's there. Perhhaps the sheer size of the database and the manipulations doen have something to do with it |
| 23:07.13 | TTT_Travis | stew nevermind, got it |
| 23:07.26 | baggend | asg: If I do a clean install, it's blazing fast. My main install has been in place for about 2 years, and installing new packages is just painfully slow. |
| 23:07.34 | asg | baggend: No, you shouldn't see any obvious difference unless your raid 0 storage is someone's mother manipulating an abacus |
| 23:07.39 | Kronuz | lunitik, okay... I'm using gnome 2.14 and metacity WM |
| 23:08.06 | lunitik | Kronuz: #gnome on irc.gimpnet.org or something? |
| 23:08.26 | asg | lunitik: gimp.org |
| 23:08.30 | kleber | nobody uses this intel s3000 chipset ? |
| 23:08.30 | baggend | asg: Well, 6 years and 150 installs later, there's a DEFINITE speed difference in installing packages on a fresh system and one that has already had a few packages installed. |
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| 23:08.46 | shwag | anyone familiar with fcgi timeouts ? |
| 23:08.54 | TTT_Travis | stew: thanks a ton!!! |
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| 23:08.58 | wols | !anyone use intel s3000 |
| 23:08.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses intel s3000, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:09.00 | PingFloyd | baggend: how full are your filesystems? |
| 23:09.20 | asg | baggend: to be honest, I've never seen it though as packages are installed, the index files get larger and must be rebuilt. That said, given your setup, you shouldn't notice it. |
| 23:09.44 | baggend | PingFloyd: / has about 6 GB free at the moment. The whole system has about 300 GB available. |
| 23:10.19 | asg | baggend: out of curiosity, what does 'dpkg -l | wc -l' return? |
| 23:10.21 | baggend | asg: Package installs bring my computer to its knees. Music starts to stutter, all my windows get really unresponsive, and then as soon as it's done it's all better. |
| 23:10.58 | baggend | asg: I'm guessing it's the index size as well, but I'm not sure if there's any way to optimize it. 2347 packages installed. |
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| 23:11.21 | baggend | asg: Sorry, not necessarily installed, but listed. |
| 23:11.30 | baggend | asg: Some are removed (but not purged) |
| 23:12.09 | asg | baggend: do you get the same symptoms if you do 'nice apt-get ...' |
| 23:12.59 | baggend | asg: Lemme try it, one sec. |
| 23:13.18 | lunitik | Oh, talking of 'wc', if you try to run a formatted document through it... the formatting will scew the number, correct? |
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| 23:13.51 | Kronuz | and what's iceweasel ? |
| 23:14.05 | karsten | Kronuz: A cool firefox |
| 23:14.07 | Kronuz | why is it called that way instead of FireFox? (just wondering) |
| 23:14.08 | Eclipser | anti-firefox |
| 23:14.08 | lunitik | Kronuz: Firefox with fixes related to memory |
| 23:14.13 | Kronuz | oh |
| 23:14.17 | baggend | Kronuz: Firefox with a different name. The mozilla folks won't let us use the Firefox logos. |
| 23:14.22 | asg | Kronuz: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 23:14.30 | lunitik | Kronuz: the firefox guys didn't like the fixes |
| 23:14.33 | PingFloyd | it's because the firefox logo is trademarked |
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| 23:15.44 | lunitik | Kronuz: Mozilla guys think memory leaks are a feature, not a bug |
| 23:16.00 | Kronuz | lol |
| 23:16.04 | baggend | asg: Nope, running with nice doesn't help. I think you're right about the index being large, as the slowdown happens during "(Reading database ...", I'm just wondering if there's any way to speed it up. Optimize the index or something? |
| 23:16.35 | Eclipser | of course it's not a bug, the OS will free the memory eventually!1 |
| 23:16.45 | PingFloyd | lunitik: does iceweasel fix those memory leaks? |
| 23:16.50 | Kronuz | hey, I succesfully added the debian-multimedia repository, but now what should I install to have my videos and stuff working? |
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| 23:17.17 | lunitik | PingFloyd: that's pretty much the only difference currently, although eventually they may use IceWeasel from Gnuzilla |
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| 23:17.37 | bzed | Kronuz: mplayer w32codecs are good candidates |
| 23:17.38 | dkr | Kronuz: I've had good luck mplayer and w32codecs |
| 23:17.38 | karsten | !w32codcs |
| 23:17.41 | karsten | !w32codecs |
| 23:17.41 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 23:17.47 | karsten | Kronuz: ^^ |
| 23:17.53 | lunitik | Kronuz: at least w32codecs and libdvdcss2 ... if you want to go via that repo |
| 23:18.00 | jahshua | !debian-multimedia |
| 23:18.00 | dpkg | methinks debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. Marillat's old place (ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat) is no more - he moved to http://debian-multimedia.org - update your sources.list! |
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| 23:18.44 | baggend | Kronuz: You can also just use totem-xine with the ffmpeg libraries. It supports almost as much stuff as mplayer. (I still prefer mplayer myself, just throwing it out there as an option) |
| 23:18.51 | piztek | does anyone know how to configure wireless on kde? |
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| 23:19.15 | Kronuz | baggend, the totem xine didn't support streamed video, right? |
| 23:19.15 | dkr | although I had this weird bug I've yet to investigate fully with Real content video not displaying with vo=xv but working (albeit not scaled)when vo=x11 |
| 23:19.16 | lunitik | baggend: doesn't support as many formats... and I'm fairly sure DVD still wouldn't\ work |
| 23:20.00 | Vasistha | piztek: there's kwirelessmonitor and kwifimanager, although those tools have never actually helped me; I always end up frustrated with them, and configue on the command line. |
| 23:20.07 | baggend | lunitik: Not without decss, but with it it works fine. Even though I use mplayer for all of my videos, I actually use Totem for DVD's because of the menu support. (And the surround works better for me in totem.) |
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| 23:20.19 | piztek | Vasistha: how do you configure on the command line? |
| 23:20.32 | baggend | Kronuz: I'm not sure, but I can't see why it wouldn't. |
| 23:20.33 | Vasistha | piztek: with iwconfig |
| 23:20.47 | Kronuz | baggend, I think I read it somewhere |
| 23:20.55 | piztek | okay i'll try that |
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| 23:21.17 | Kronuz | boy, debian is much much faster than Ubuntu |
| 23:21.44 | Vasistha | Kronuz: heh, you could probably make debian as slow as ubuntu if you got all the unnecessary services running that ubuntu had :-) |
| 23:21.53 | Kronuz | hehe |
| 23:21.59 | Vasistha | don't know how easy that would be... |
| 23:22.52 | Vasistha | anyway, my own question: aptitude front-end is ncurses-based, right? I'd like to somehow configure a single-click to act as a double-click in aptitude, so I can use single-click to open info pages, instead of needing to double-click... |
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| 23:23.28 | Vasistha | ...so, I'm wondering, is this something that can be configured in aptitude, or is it only configurable via some kind of ncurses configuration, or......? |
| 23:24.05 | karsten | Vasistha: What are you trying to accomplish? And I'm not aware of a "click-for-info" feature. |
| 23:24.46 | Vasistha | karsten: are you aware you can use the mouse in aptitude? I wasn't, until last night. Then I discovered that, to do certain things, I had to double click. And, I'd like to be able to do those things with a single click. |
| 23:24.51 | piztek | Vasistha: when using iwconfig should i exit kwifimanager |
| 23:24.58 | PingFloyd | karsten: think he means he wants it to act like when you hit enter in the ui |
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| 23:25.22 | f000bar | is there a way to re-add files as binary (-kb) in cvs without deleteing and removing them and then readding them again? |
| 23:25.26 | Vasistha | piztek: I dunno :-) I don't think it matters, but I could be wrong |
| 23:25.53 | karsten | PingFloyd: Color me confused. |
| 23:26.36 | PingFloyd | karsten: you can use a mouse in the aptitude ui, he wants to make it to where single clicking instead of double clicking gets the job done |
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| 23:26.57 | Kronuz | does anybody know where are the Desktop Keyboard Shorcuts kept in gconf-edit ? |
| 23:27.00 | Vasistha | PingFloyd: thank you for translating... :D |
| 23:27.31 | karsten | PingFloyd: Mouse doesn't work for me, though I'm running aptitude via sudo in a terminal. |
| 23:28.09 | Vasistha | karsten: it may require gpm, which I do have installed; and I haven't tried except via kde's konsole |
| 23:28.09 | piztek | Vasistha: how do I do this? |
| 23:28.31 | karsten | Vasistha: console? |
| 23:28.40 | karsten | Vasistha: That could make a difference. |
| 23:28.45 | PingFloyd | Vasistha: that was my guess -- may need to tweak with gpm |
| 23:28.59 | piztek | Vasistha: can you help me configure this iwconfig? |
| 23:29.09 | Vasistha | piztek: do what, configure via iwconfig? Well, man iwconfig is a good starting point. Although, I don't really know where you are in the process. Have you got the driver configured? |
| 23:29.09 | tkooda | dpkg gives me an error while trying to install the 'python-mode' package, something about "Cannot open load file 'ansi-color'", anyone know how I can fix this? (on updated/current sarge box): http://pastebin.ca/407219 |
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| 23:29.29 | Vasistha | PingFloyd: ahh, thanks for the tip, I'll look into it. |
| 23:29.40 | piztek | I believe the driver to be configured |
| 23:29.42 | TTT_Travis | stew stew_ got one more question for ya, do you know how I can set the output of that command to a variable? |
| 23:29.51 | piztek | iwconfig says it's connected to a linksys |
| 23:30.31 | piztek | but i think it's the neighbors because the signal strength is really weak |
| 23:30.35 | kalve | Hi, I have a Compaq nc6400 laptop, with a Broadcom 4311AG wireless card. Any ideas on how to get it working? :P |
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| 23:30.40 | Vasistha | piztek: what does ifconfig output |
| 23:31.00 | TTT_Travis | stew on windows |
| 23:31.14 | Vasistha | kalve: first step is to figure out what chipset your wireless card uses. google for broadcom 4311ag chipset |
| 23:31.23 | kalve | sorry, it's a 4310 |
| 23:31.37 | kalve | lspci says 10:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 UART (rev 01) |
| 23:31.37 | Vasistha | kalve: I'm sure you can adjust your google search accordingly :D |
| 23:31.42 | kalve | :p |
| 23:32.29 | piztek | Vasistha: http://pastebin.ca/407222 |
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| 23:33.47 | stew | TTT_Travis: var=$(command) |
| 23:33.49 | Vasistha | piztek: unfortunately, I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what to do with that -- but, what I really meant to ask you, is: is 'eth0' your wireless interface? |
| 23:34.07 | stew | TTT_Travis: oh windows? like in cmd.exe? i have no idea |
| 23:34.09 | piztek | eth1 is |
| 23:34.28 | Vasistha | piztek: err, uhm, yeah, that's what your paste says, huh? :-) |
| 23:34.35 | piztek | yeah :D |
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| 23:34.44 | Vasistha | piztek: so, iwlist eth1 scan |
| 23:34.49 | archville | Useful apps to clean the system (besides deborphan and debfoster) ? |
| 23:35.01 | Vasistha | archville: apt-rdepends and aptitude |
| 23:35.18 | piztek | interface doesn't support scanning |
| 23:35.24 | Vasistha | piztek: d'oh |
| 23:35.28 | archville | Mmm, let's take a look at apt-rdepends |
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| 23:36.14 | Vasistha | archville: I use it like this: apt-rdepends --reverse --state-follow=Installed --state-show=Installed |
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| 23:36.31 | piztek | what can I, should i do? |
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| 23:37.08 | piztek | Vasistha: how do i configure the driver and set encryption key? |
| 23:37.15 | Vasistha | piztek: well, let's see. unfortunately, I'm about the last person to ask, as I have failed in this task nearly every time I have applied myself to it. I have managed to get my home wireless working, and with wep no less, but I've never been able to connect to any other network... |
| 23:37.46 | piztek | do you know how to enable the encryption key? |
| 23:38.01 | wols | piztek: man interfaces |
| 23:38.06 | wols | there |
| 23:38.15 | wols | and read the docs for your wireless-tools |
| 23:38.21 | Vasistha | piztek: man iwconfig ... key |
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| 23:38.44 | wols | piztek: what channel does your AP use? |
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| 23:39.14 | archville | Vasistha, do i have to put a package name after that command ? |
| 23:39.22 | Vasistha | archville: heh, yeah :-) |
| 23:39.55 | piztek | AP? |
| 23:40.07 | lunitik | Access Point |
| 23:40.07 | archville | what does it do exactly ? it shows just the name of the package after the command |
| 23:40.20 | piztek | 00:d0:9e:d0:b9:81 |
| 23:40.25 | piztek | so 81? |
| 23:40.32 | lunitik | piztek: no |
| 23:40.39 | archville | ok, it search dependencies |
| 23:41.06 | lunitik | Go into the wireless settings... there won't be 81 channels... probably less than 20, usually uses channel 7 by default |
| 23:41.18 | piztek | doesn't it always change? |
| 23:41.24 | wols | piztek: no |
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| 23:41.34 | wols | channels are 1-13 or 1-14 depending on country |
| 23:41.59 | wols | what you quoted was a MAC which has nothing to do with anything mostly |
| 23:42.14 | wols | just random number |
| 23:42.20 | piztek | i try to change the network name and it doesn't let me |
| 23:42.48 | amphi | piztek: iwlist <iface> scan will show info about your AP |
| 23:42.50 | Vasistha | Is there a way to configure aptitude or apt-get to ask for verification ("Are you sure?") when issuing a 'clean' command? |
| 23:43.19 | piztek | amphi: eth0 does not support scanning |
| 23:43.29 | Vasistha | piztek: wait, wasn't it eth1 ? |
| 23:43.55 | Vasistha | piztek: rather, just do iwlist scan |
| 23:43.56 | amphi | piztek: iwconfig with no args will show the wireless iface |
| 23:43.58 | piztek | yeah eth1 doesn't support scanning either |
| 23:44.11 | piztek | eth1 |
| 23:44.17 | amphi | piztek: what great card/driver combo is this? |
| 23:44.49 | piztek | orono_cs onboard wireless on a laptop |
| 23:44.53 | piztek | i'm unsure of the driver |
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| 23:45.13 | wols | amphi: hermes/orinocos_cs |
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| 23:45.28 | amphi | wols: never played with one of those |
| 23:45.34 | PingFloyd | Vasistha: there's not much point, you either want to clean the archive or you don't :) |
| 23:45.37 | wols | me neither actually |
| 23:45.42 | bzed | a lot of cards do not support scanning |
| 23:45.46 | Kronuz | hey, in places -> computer |
| 23:45.52 | Kronuz | I have some volumes listed there |
| 23:45.58 | Kronuz | where is the configuration for those? |
| 23:46.01 | amphi | bzed: really? how distressing |
| 23:46.02 | Vasistha | PingFloyd: well, I often use 'autoclean', and I just have this fear that one of these days I might accidentally mistype 'clean' ... |
| 23:46.13 | wols | Vasistha: this is bad how? |
| 23:46.19 | ManuP | is it possible to leave a message for a user in irc? so that when he logs in next time, it is displayed? |
| 23:46.26 | piztek | but it still won't let me change network name |
| 23:46.30 | wols | ManuP: memoserv |
| 23:46.39 | ManuP | !memoserv |
| 23:46.40 | dpkg | [memoserv] a bot allowing IRC users to send short messages to other IRC users, whether they are online at the time or not. /msg memoserv help |
| 23:46.43 | PingFloyd | Vasistha: the autoclean only gets rid of packages that can no longer be downloaded in the cache |
| 23:46.44 | Vasistha | wols: I like to keep archives, in case I decide to re-install something I've uninstalled, or install it on another computer |
| 23:46.54 | ManuP | wols, thanks |
| 23:46.55 | bzed | amphi: why? you don't need it. or I'm confusing scanniing with something else |
| 23:46.59 | wols | archive.debian.org |
| 23:47.07 | PingFloyd | Vasistha: I use clean all the time |
| 23:47.11 | karsten | Vasistha: apt-proxy can do that. |
| 23:47.20 | amphi | bzed: monitor mode perhaps |
| 23:47.31 | Vasistha | wols: no, I mean -- that's why I use 'autoclean' rather than 'clean' ... I'm just trying to save bandwidth, is all. |
| 23:47.51 | PingFloyd | baggend: speaking of, when was the last time you cleaned your cache? |
| 23:48.02 | bzed | amphi: I'd give it a try, but my laptop is powered down and I wanted to go to bed in a fwe minutes. just eating something first |
| 23:48.25 | PingFloyd | Vasistha: it's essentially saving bandwidth vs. saving storage |
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| 23:48.30 | karsten | PingFloyd: Is that what the kids are calling it these days? |
| 23:48.32 | amphi | bzed: what card do you have there? |
| 23:48.37 | baggend | PingFloyd: My package cache you mean? A few days ago. I have a local mirror so I don't keep much in there. |
| 23:48.42 | Vasistha | PingFloyd: well, yes, it is :-) |
| 23:48.43 | PingFloyd | baggend: yes |
| 23:49.04 | Vasistha | karsten: I looked into apt-proxy, and then I discovered that dpkg-scanpackages does everything I need |
| 23:49.48 | karsten | Vasistha: Than apparently you don't need what apt-proxy does. |
| 23:51.13 | Vasistha | karsten: yeah ... I'm just going to be careful what I type. Perhaps I'll just add 'autoclean' to my dpkg-scanpackages script. That'll save me from ever needing to do it at all. |
| 23:51.25 | bzed | amphi: some atheros |
| 23:51.37 | PingFloyd | Vasistha: if you're worried about hitting clean, create an alias for running it with autoclean |
| 23:51.45 | PingFloyd | Vasistha: or even create a script that will prompt you |
| 23:51.46 | bzed | amphi: which is just great. madwifi rocks :D |
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| 23:52.07 | Vasistha | PingFloyd: yes, that is what I've decided ... thanks |
| 23:52.11 | amphi | bzed: yeah, wlanconfig is quite funky |
| 23:52.16 | Kronuz | :( |
| 23:52.31 | Kronuz | I can't find how to install gnome 2.16 in etch rc2 |
| 23:52.35 | amphi | bzed: a friend of mine has a toshiba with one of them in it |
| 23:52.41 | Vasistha | piztek: well, my experience with my stupid card was, the only was I could get it to actually sign onto my network was to hardcode the stuff into me /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:52.47 | piztek | well i put in the WEP key and my signal strength went way up, but now i can't browse the web |
| 23:53.19 | bzed | amphi: one day I'll play access point at university and play airpwn - http://www.evilscheme.org/defcon/ |
| 23:53.25 | piztek | shoot, two computers have the same network name |
| 23:53.35 | Vasistha | piztek: did you connect via dhcp or static ip? |
| 23:53.36 | amphi | bzed: heh, the ap trick |
| 23:53.54 | Vasistha | piztek: anyway, if it's useful, you can ping -c 2 64.233.187.99 # that's google ... just to see if you're having a dns issue |
| 23:55.19 | piztek | would computer naming be an issue? would the router rename them? |
| 23:55.22 | Kronuz | hmm |
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| 23:55.44 | Kronuz | what's the "developers" package? (as to have make, autoconf, gcc, etc., etc...) |
| 23:55.56 | piztek | what operation mode should i use? |
| 23:56.03 | piztek | trying all of them, none work |
| 23:56.04 | dunker | build-essential |
| 23:56.09 | piztek | and where can i rename the computer? |
| 23:56.13 | dunker | or build-essentials dunno ;] |
| 23:56.41 | piztek | where can i rename the host |
| 23:56.43 | piztek | the computer |
| 23:56.45 | Kronuz | dunker, that still won't have the autoconf and flex, bison, etc., right? |
| 23:56.46 | piztek | the domain |
| 23:56.57 | dunker | guess so |
| 23:57.00 | ManuP | piztek, in /etc/hostname? |
| 23:57.04 | piztek | brandon@smith, where can i rename smith |
| 23:57.06 | dunker | never used it myself yet ;] |
| 23:57.08 | piztek | isn't there a command for it? |
| 23:57.45 | xaitax | hostname, /etc/hosts |
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| 23:58.41 | wols | piztek: no computer naming is not an issue |
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| 23:59.27 | wols | piztek: and where do you read about this "network name" thing? |
| 23:59.50 | piztek | i'm just guessing, because i have two computers named smith |
| 23:59.58 | piztek | er two computers with the hostname smith |