| 00:00.08 | piztek | bbl, i need to plug in |
| 00:00.08 | Vasistha | piztek: fwiw, my hostname always shows up as "ÜüЪ" but it doesn't disrupt the connection -- and that happens on both of my debian boxes, with wired and wireless, regardless of what I do to set the name. |
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| 00:01.47 | DeFender1031 | hello, how do i get my laptop to recognize my external monitor? |
| 00:02.19 | Vasistha | DeFender1031: reboot? :P that's all that works for me |
| 00:02.33 | DeFender1031 | what? |
| 00:02.34 | wols | DeFender1031: there is no one way to do it |
| 00:02.44 | wols | many have a FN key combo to use the external monitor, etc |
| 00:02.47 | wols | !laptop |
| 00:02.48 | dpkg | methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 00:03.00 | DeFender1031 | yeah, the fn key doesn't do it for some reason |
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| 00:03.53 | Vasistha | DeFender1031: yeah ... I have an old compaq armada, and Fn+F4 cycles through the possibilities -- but it only works with windows. On linux, if the external is plugged in when I boot, then it works, and it stays always on. Otherwise, it never works (except maybe in textmode) |
| 00:04.17 | maddash | just to admire my shiny new kernel, I issued `lsmod`. what's this " |
| 00:04.17 | maddash | generic 4740 0 [permanent] |
| 00:04.17 | maddash | " thing that keeps showing up? |
| 00:04.17 | DeFender1031 | ah, i'll try... hang on |
| 00:04.24 | Vasistha | DeFender1031: it might be some kind of acpi magic that isn't properly implemented in linux :P |
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| 00:05.05 | asg | maddash: /sbin/modinfo generic |
| 00:05.34 | grendal_prime | anyone ever had to connect to a netapps filer via smb from linux? |
| 00:05.44 | wols | !anyone |
| 00:05.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:05.45 | maddash | so...much...crap |
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| 00:06.02 | maddash | ah, generic pci ide. |
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| 01:48.00 | magyar | is postfix still broken in etch? |
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| 01:48.19 | asg | magyar: check the bts |
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| 01:52.06 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 01:52.20 | TomyLobo | how do i get "testing" versions with apt-get? |
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| 01:52.56 | asg | TomyLobo: /msg dpkg etch (or /msg dpkg stable->testing) |
| 01:53.00 | wintix | TomyLobo: man sources.list |
| 01:55.20 | eduhat | well i see hostap_cs in lsmod... so thats good. now how do i remove the orinoco_cs, hermes, and orinoco.... it says that orinoco_cs is in use |
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| 01:56.08 | TomyLobo | i dont want to change my distribution version to testing |
| 01:56.24 | TomyLobo | i just want to get the testing version of 3 packages |
| 01:56.45 | tech13 | Is there a website that lists which hardware uses which kernel options? I would like to compile my own kernel and trim down the drivers I don't use and I'm not sure which ones I actually do use. ("lspci" doesn't show names that match items in "make menuconfig") |
| 01:56.54 | asg | TomyLobo: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 01:57.57 | wols | tech13: "trimming down the drivers" you don't use is futile |
| 01:58.06 | wols | non loaded drivers don't hurt you at all |
| 01:58.07 | h2 | apt-get install package/testing |
| 01:58.16 | h2 | assuming you have testing in sources.list |
| 01:58.28 | wols | !tell TomyLobo about bobbitt |
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| 01:58.55 | wols | eduhat: I told you several times |
| 01:59.11 | TomyLobo | wols it's a simple game server, i dont think it will cause any problems |
| 01:59.22 | eduhat | wols: i tried ifdown -a && rmmod orinoco_cs but it still said it was in use |
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| 01:59.47 | wols | eduhat: and you need to remove it BEFORE your load hostap |
| 01:59.56 | wols | otherwise hostap can't access the hardware |
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| 01:59.59 | eduhat | okay, but how do i remove it?? |
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| 02:00.11 | eduhat | eduhat: that all i have to do now |
| 02:00.33 | eduhat | because i see hostap_cs, and hostap in the module list |
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| 02:00.47 | eduhat | so once i remove orinoco, and orinoco_cs, and hermes i'll be set |
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| 02:01.28 | Heston | doesnt the defualt kernel in sarge have smp enabled? |
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| 02:01.37 | dondelelcaro | Heston: no, only the default in etch. |
| 02:01.45 | wols | Heston: afaik no |
| 02:01.52 | Heston | ah ok |
| 02:02.29 | Heston | and any reason why the default kernel is only picking up a gig out of a total of 4 gigs of memory?? |
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| 02:03.33 | wols | cause it has no bigmem support |
| 02:03.36 | wols | the smp kernel does afaik |
| 02:04.18 | wols | get a -686 smp kernel |
| 02:07.07 | jetscreamer | in sarge you want to get the bigmem kernel |
| 02:07.10 | jetscreamer | don't you? |
| 02:07.15 | jetscreamer | !find bigmem sarge |
| 02:07.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bigmem' (3): (/usr/share/doc/gpc-2.95/examples/bigmemdemo.pas) in doc/gpc-2.95-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.3-base/pascal/examples/bigmemdemo.pas) in doc/gpc-2.1-3.3-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.4-base/pascal/examples/bigmemdemo.pas) in doc/gpc-2.1-3.4-doc. |
| 02:07.43 | jetscreamer | hmm |
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| 02:09.37 | jetscreamer | or was that woody or something |
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| 02:14.23 | eduhat | thx for the help |
| 02:14.24 | eduhat | later guys |
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| 02:17.42 | jetscreamer | linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem wtf |
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| 02:20.19 | jetscreamer | ah it's not sarge it's >=etch |
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| 02:21.50 | yvest | I'm having issue trying to upgrade my debian system... when I run apt-get upgrade, it tells me I should run apt-get -f install. When I do that, I get another error. It says it needs to upgrade perl-base and complains that it's trying to overwrite /usr/lib/perl/5.8, which is also in package digikit... How do I fix that? |
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| 02:23.16 | h2 | what's the difference between freenode #debian and oftc.net #debian? |
| 02:23.19 | fantasma | how to change framebuffer font? |
| 02:23.32 | jetscreamer | yvest: did you apt-get update first? |
| 02:23.36 | karsten | yvest: Using third-party distros or mixing stable v. (testing/unstable)? |
| 02:23.53 | yvest | jet, yes I did |
| 02:23.53 | karsten | yvest: ... and what jetscreamer said. |
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| 02:24.14 | yvest | Karsten, I have a backport kernel, but that should be it... |
| 02:24.18 | DawnLight | hello |
| 02:24.46 | jetscreamer | oftc is a bunch of newbie posers... |
| 02:24.48 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:24.55 | jetscreamer | j/k |
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| 02:25.10 | h2 | I didn't even know there was an oftc.net channel |
| 02:25.21 | h2 | are these just two different but both official debian channels? |
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| 02:25.35 | jetscreamer | they decided to move from freenode for various reasons |
| 02:25.57 | jetscreamer | that's the official one, and irc.debian.org points to oftc |
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| 02:26.02 | rudenstam | anyone happen to know why I can't close down mysqld ? (was going to apt-get upgrade but the mysqld won't close down) |
| 02:26.03 | h2 | ah, ok |
| 02:26.05 | h2 | thnaks |
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| 02:26.08 | jetscreamer | this is official also i think |
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| 02:26.46 | stickbook | anybody there? |
| 02:27.03 | centrx | ? |
| 02:27.05 | h2 | rudenstam: you aren't using splashy are you? |
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| 02:27.34 | jetscreamer | !ubuntu |
| 02:27.34 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 02:27.38 | rudenstam | h2: not that I know of |
| 02:27.41 | h2 | check |
| 02:27.46 | h2 | if it's installed |
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| 02:28.04 | h2 | it has a config file that has not been fixed for some 6 months that breaks when mysqld tries to stop |
| 02:28.10 | h2 | that's a splashy config file |
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| 02:28.24 | rudenstam | h2: dpkg -l | grep splash ... returns nothing |
| 02:28.25 | h2 | try: apt-get remove --purge splashy |
| 02:28.28 | h2 | oh, ok |
| 02:28.33 | h2 | that's the only cause I know |
| 02:28.40 | stickbook | i got a problem with my server. i want to run php as a module, but i don?t know how to uninstall the CGI-handling |
| 02:28.42 | h2 | but it's common |
| 02:28.59 | wols | uninstall php5-cgi |
| 02:29.10 | wols | install apach2-mod-php4 (or whatever else you need) |
| 02:29.23 | rudenstam | h2: nothing in mysql.err either |
| 02:29.25 | jetscreamer | ubuntu has servers? |
| 02:29.29 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 02:29.49 | h2 | rudenstam: let me see if I can remember the specific file |
| 02:30.22 | h2 | see if you have this present in system: /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh |
| 02:30.45 | rudenstam | I got I got an empty lsb-base dir in etc |
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| 02:30.58 | h2 | ok, if that file isnt' there it's somethign else |
| 02:31.33 | jetscreamer | you 'could' just chmod -x /etc/init.d/mysqld or whatever then reboot :o |
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| 02:32.28 | rudenstam | h2: hmm.. the debian-sys-maint seems unable to login to the mysql.. that might be the problem |
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| 02:34.28 | rudenstam | h2: success! :) |
| 02:35.00 | jetscreamer | hey we're hardcore mofo's |
| 02:35.02 | DawnLight | when i try to print anything it just doesn't do it without telling me anything. i have my printer correctly installed, this is gather from printing a test page correctly. any ideas? |
| 02:35.06 | jetscreamer | some guy in ubuntu said so |
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| 02:37.22 | mike1 | What do I download to get "netcardconfig"? |
| 02:37.33 | yvest | Here's the error I get when I try apt-get check: perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-8sarge5) but 5.8.4-8sarge4 is installed. I'm not sure how the sarge5 got there, but how do I fix it? |
| 02:37.38 | karsten | !tell mike1 about search |
| 02:38.22 | mike1 | cheers |
| 02:38.38 | wols_ | yvest: get the proper vresion deb files and install it manually? |
| 02:39.01 | wols_ | manually being with dpkg that is |
| 02:39.43 | Snuggles2000 | Does anyone know how good Flashdrive support on Debian is? |
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| 02:40.04 | Snuggles2000 | I'm getting a Sandisk 2GB Cruzer flashdrive, and I'm not sure if it'll be compatible. |
| 02:41.35 | h2 | hal handles that stuff now |
| 02:41.35 | h2 | it works great |
| 02:41.40 | h2 | flash drives etc |
| 02:42.43 | yvest | I'm searching for the right version... Any recommandation? |
| 02:42.45 | h2 | can't say anything about sarge though |
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| 02:44.05 | h2 | yvest the right version of debian? depends on what you want |
| 02:44.52 | jetscreamer | which is similar to downgrade |
| 02:44.58 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 02:45.00 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 02:45.04 | jetscreamer | the last one |
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| 02:45.17 | jetscreamer | or just remove it... purge it |
| 02:46.10 | yvest | No I meant the right version of perl... removing perl-base would probably be bad... no? |
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| 02:48.19 | dondelelcaro | you'd break surprising amounts of stuff. |
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| 02:48.24 | Snuggles2000 | h2: So Etch shouldn't have a problem with flashdrives? Or is hal a version independent factor? |
| 02:48.38 | h2 | etch should be fine, as far as I know |
| 02:48.43 | dondelelcaro | yvest: and you want to install the sarge5 version, not the sarge4 version |
| 02:49.02 | h2 | it's using the new methods |
| 02:49.07 | h2 | which work pretty well |
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| 02:49.30 | Snuggles2000 | hmm..new methods eh? Interesting. |
| 02:49.30 | dondelelcaro | yvest: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/perl/perl_5.8.4-8sarge5/changelog if you want to know what changed |
| 02:49.38 | h2 | well, new and new |
| 02:49.44 | h2 | came last year |
| 02:49.54 | Snuggles2000 | Ahh. |
| 02:49.56 | jetscreamer | you 'can' force the removal w.o. removing other stuff, but i am ass-u-ming that you intend to install the ver you need immed. after. |
| 02:50.02 | yvest | Well according the apt-get check I have sarge5 of perl-base but sarge4 or everything else (if I understand the error message right) |
| 02:50.08 | h2 | I guess this is what the systems will use now though, this stuff runs I believe in userland |
| 02:50.12 | jetscreamer | and dondelelcaro knows all and i know nothing also |
| 02:50.16 | h2 | or something like that |
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| 02:50.50 | kritical | Anyone know a command which I can use to remove a specific line from a file? |
| 02:51.06 | jetscreamer | perl ? |
| 02:51.07 | kritical | for instance... `removeline 12 file` lol =) |
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| 02:51.29 | jetscreamer | i know there is such a command .. i don't know it though. |
| 02:51.32 | Snuggles2000 | Well, there are probably a number of text modification scripts like that. Check out some perl scripts. |
| 02:51.47 | kritical | Hmm I could script one.. but I was wondering if something already existed |
| 02:51.49 | jetscreamer | i only know short commands. |
| 02:52.01 | jetscreamer | that start with s |
| 02:52.17 | Snuggles2000 | Hmm, check out sed. |
| 02:52.22 | karsten | kritical: 'sed -i -e '<linenumber>d' |
| 02:52.28 | Snuggles2000 | Hehe. |
| 02:52.29 | kritical | Ahh awesome =) |
| 02:52.35 | karsten | kritical: sed -ie 10d # delete 10th line from file. |
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| 02:54.12 | smacher | when i run chkrootkit, i get this line: Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 1524 6667 31337). how should i deal with this? |
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| 02:54.54 | smacher | am i online? |
| 02:54.57 | centrx | yes |
| 02:54.59 | Paddy_EIRE | yes |
| 02:55.02 | smacher | thks |
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| 02:55.06 | centrx | if you are actually infected you should probably re-install |
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| 02:55.39 | karsten | sm |
| 02:55.50 | Paddy_EIRE | what do you mean by "infected" I thought linux was virus free |
| 02:55.51 | smacher | centrx: remove and re-install that package? |
| 02:55.55 | karsten | smacher: 'netstat -tplv' (as root) will show what's listening to those ports. |
| 02:56.02 | smacher | k |
| 02:56.07 | karsten | smacher: Could be a false positive, say, if you're running portsentry. |
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| 02:56.39 | centrx | Paddy_EIRE someone can still hack into your computer, it is just much more difficult and less likely than in Windows |
| 02:56.43 | centrx | it's not a virus |
| 02:56.58 | Paddy_EIRE | oh, whats the best defence |
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| 02:57.15 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: There is malware for Linux. Viral infection is exceptionally rare. Other exploits or vulnerabilities can be used however. |
| 02:57.22 | smacher | karsten: i am running portsentry. |
| 02:57.50 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Strictly speaking, true viruses aren't massively prevalent on Windows these days, it's usually a trojan or similar explooit. |
| 02:57.51 | centrx | uninstall portsentry |
| 02:57.54 | Paddy_EIRE | karsten: what protection should be run so that I wouldnt need to reinstall |
| 02:58.00 | karsten | smacher: Disable it for the moment and rerun chkrootkit. |
| 02:58.09 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: I haven't followed your specific issue. |
| 02:58.22 | centrx | karsten no there are a lot of viruses on windows |
| 02:58.25 | Paddy_EIRE | just general security |
| 02:58.28 | centrx | maybe no big outbreaks in the last few months |
| 02:58.59 | h2 | centrx no machine connected to the internet should be considered safe if it's running any servers |
| 02:59.10 | h2 | just higher and lower risk |
| 02:59.14 | centrx | right |
| 02:59.20 | h2 | whoops |
| 02:59.20 | centrx | which is why I use Windows 98 |
| 02:59.38 | karsten | centrx: Viruses in the sense of bvinary infectors are still a problem, yes, but there are many otehr problems to boot. The term "virus" has become somewhat watered down particularly in th epopular press. |
| 02:59.38 | h2 | meant smacher |
| 02:59.40 | Paddy_EIRE | what about bsd |
| 02:59.46 | fantasma | how do you change the console font in debian? |
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| 02:59.58 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Any system can be compromised if poorly maintained. |
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| 03:00.03 | Paddy_EIRE | ok |
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| 03:00.30 | h2 | Paddy_EIRE: the sys admin is the main source of security or insecurity |
| 03:00.31 | Dewi | Paddy_EIRE: I've seen linux servers compromised at work or belonging to friends... twice I think |
| 03:00.35 | Paddy_EIRE | still wondering whats considered good maintenance |
| 03:00.45 | h2 | it's their skill and knowledge that makes a box secure or insecure |
| 03:00.53 | centrx | Paddy_EIRE for a personal computer, all you can do really is update |
| 03:00.58 | Paddy_EIRE | ok |
| 03:01.01 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Keep yuor services to a minimum (ssh should be most fi all you run on most workstations), know what your typical system looks like, keep an eye on logs and strange activity. Consider an offline (network) logger, and portscan your box from the outside. |
| 03:01.14 | centrx | right, that's not "maintenance" per se though |
| 03:01.19 | centrx | those are one-time things |
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| 03:01.24 | zinx | many a box has been compromised by running ssh with a poor password |
| 03:01.33 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: ... keep your system updated, run periodic rootkit checks and understand the output (there are false positives). |
| 03:01.35 | Dewi | centrx: not really |
| 03:01.46 | centrx | nevermind, I only read the first sentence |
| 03:01.49 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Strong passwords and smart users help as well. |
| 03:01.53 | centrx | keeping services to a minimum is |
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| 03:02.01 | Catachan | uhm is there a quick way to determine if I have the C++ development lib's installed? |
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| 03:02.27 | Dewi | Catachan: try to build something :P |
| 03:02.27 | Paddy_EIRE | !security |
| 03:02.28 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 03:02.30 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Don't run random untrusted executables (shell scripts included). If you must, consider creating a disposable local account for doing same. |
| 03:02.41 | Catachan | yeah, that would work I guess |
| 03:03.15 | win | fantasma: vga=0x303 boot option |
| 03:03.16 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Realize that if your system is root compromised even the kernel can be changed, in-place, to lie to you about what's happening, so you inherently can't trust the system itself. |
| 03:03.27 | smacnay_ | Is iptables and shorewall stiil a good way to secure a box? |
| 03:03.30 | Dewi | Catachan: to start building things in general the fastest way to get up and running is to install the "build-essential" metapackage, but I don't know how much c++ stuff that includes |
| 03:03.33 | fantasma | win, I use vesafb-tng not the old vesafb drivers |
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| 03:03.58 | Paddy_EIRE | karsten: jeeze that sounds pretty damn crazy |
| 03:04.24 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Same applies to Windows. |
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| 03:04.34 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: What the hell do you think Windows device drivers are? |
| 03:04.35 | Catachan | okay, thanks Dewi! |
| 03:04.41 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: ... they're binary kernel patches. |
| 03:04.50 | Paddy_EIRE | karsten: I suppose so, although can the windows kernal be changed/hacked |
| 03:04.57 | karsten | (in a somewhat loose sense). |
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| 03:05.26 | Wyzard | Is anyone here successfully using SATA on a Silicon Image 3112 controller? |
| 03:05.36 | Wyzard | Paddy_EIRE: Yes, it can |
| 03:05.54 | Dewi | Wyzard: sure |
| 03:06.26 | Dewi | Wyzard: think I bootstrapped it from sarge; it's always worked well for me |
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| 03:06.38 | k-man_ | how can i generate a random number of 6 chars on the command line? |
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| 03:06.47 | Wyzard | I have a system here with an Asus A7N8X motherboard, which contains a SiI3112 controller, and Linux isn't recognizing SATA devices at all |
| 03:07.01 | abonilla_ | hi, when using make-jpkg on an sdk, which is the JAVA_HOME for the sdk? |
| 03:07.16 | Wyzard | Neither Debian, nor Ubuntu, nor Gentoo, nor CentOS installation CDs can find either the hard drive or the DVD drive connected to the controller |
| 03:07.16 | abonilla_ | please |
| 03:07.20 | Wyzard | nor OpenSolaris either |
| 03:07.32 | Wyzard | yet they both work fine in Windows :-/ |
| 03:07.35 | Dewi | Wyzard: hmm. I have one of those but I don't think it's ever had linux on it |
| 03:07.58 | win | fantasma: There was a thread with subject "How to get those nice console fonts" around Jan 16 on debian-user list. Hope that helps! |
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| 03:08.24 | Kronuz | hey, do you know where I can get more recent NVIDIA drivers for debian? |
| 03:08.28 | fantasma | win, definitely sounds like it would, I'll check it out. thanks! |
| 03:08.31 | Dewi | Wyzard: how big are the SATA drives? |
| 03:08.35 | Wyzard | It's weird... the etch RC2 CD's kernel prints some messages about "HSM violation" on ata2, which is the DVD drive; Ubuntu and Gentoo, which have 2.6.17, just stall for a few seconds while trying to initialize ata2 |
| 03:08.42 | Paddy_EIRE | Wyzard: and the vendors website doesnt have info for *nix based os's? |
| 03:08.43 | Dewi | Wyzard: Asus boards of that vintage don't like anything over 500gb |
| 03:09.00 | Dewi | Paddy_EIRE: they generally don't |
| 03:09.05 | Wyzard | Dewi: The hard drive is a 250GB Seagate 7200.10 containing a Windows installation, and the optical drive is a 16X Lite-On DVD burner |
| 03:09.10 | Paddy_EIRE | thats pretty crap |
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| 03:09.18 | Dewi | Paddy_EIRE: vendor support for sata with free software is generally quite poor |
| 03:09.18 | Kronuz | the drivers in the official repository are the 8776, and those are too old |
| 03:09.21 | Wyzard | The hard drive contains a Windows installation which boots fine and can use the DVD drive without problems |
| 03:09.30 | Kronuz | 9755 is the current version |
| 03:09.48 | Kronuz | (plus I'm having problems running beryl with those old drivers) |
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| 03:10.30 | Paddy_EIRE | thats pretty frustrating! what about Novell's SUSE linux its pretty proprietry?? |
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| 03:11.00 | Dewi | Paddy_EIRE: you get me wrong, silicon image stuff works well in linux usually. |
| 03:11.08 | Paddy_EIRE | oh |
| 03:11.12 | Dewi | Paddy_EIRE: I'm using at least 3 different chipsets |
| 03:11.26 | Paddy_EIRE | ahhh, I get you now |
| 03:11.27 | Dewi | Paddy_EIRE: I just don't know why it's not working for Wyzard |
| 03:12.12 | Dewi | Wyzard: when you say "not recognising" you're looking under /dev/sd* right? |
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| 03:12.51 | Dewi | Wyzard: also bear in mind that hotplug support is very new for sata in linux, so keep it all plugged in from cold boot |
| 03:13.03 | Wyzard | Dewi: I'm checking /proc/scsi/scsi mainly |
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| 03:13.09 | Wyzard | Dewi: and yeah, it's all coldplugged |
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| 03:13.36 | Wyzard | Dewi: (though I can say from experience that hotplug works great on Intel ICH8 controllers in AHCI mode) |
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| 03:14.01 | smacher | karsten: back to the chkrootkit problem, that error is due to portsentry? |
| 03:14.56 | Wyzard | I'm going to try disconnecting the DVD drive, since that's what it seems to be complaining about, and see if it recognizes the hard drive then |
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| 03:15.22 | Dewi | Wyzard: 01:09.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) |
| 03:15.54 | Dewi | Wyzard: module I'm using is sata_sil, on 2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 03:15.56 | Wyzard | Mine's rev. 01, but other than that it's the same |
| 03:16.35 | karsten | Where'd smacher go? |
| 03:16.40 | Paddy_EIRE | d |
| 03:16.47 | Paddy_EIRE | oops |
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| 03:16.59 | karsten | smacher: I believe so. |
| 03:17.30 | karsten | smacher: portsentry's a bit brain-dead and not recommended as it actually opens the ports its monitoring. One consequence is a hell of a lot of false positives such as what you saw. |
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| 03:18.30 | karsten | smacher: Another is that you may actually attract malevolent attention in the belief that your system is offering vulnerable services. Or your ISP might think you're infected and cut you off. I'd recommend disabling portsentry unless you want to do what it actually does. |
| 03:18.32 | elriah | Hi all. How do I prevent linux from loading dynamic modules on boot? i have one that's in a continuous loop. Debian, Sarge. |
| 03:19.41 | Wyzard | Dewi: Interesting... with the DVD drive disconnected from ata2, the kernel recognizes the hard drive on ata1 |
| 03:19.54 | elriah | Rather, can I give a kernel option to prevent modules from loading? |
| 03:20.11 | MatBoy | hehe, finally after months flash works normal in FF :) ow Iceweasel :) Just install the good polugin :D |
| 03:20.16 | MatBoy | *plugin |
| 03:20.19 | Wyzard | Maybe it's something wrong with the drive that's causing the timeouts and communication failures, though this drive was working fine in another box two days ago |
| 03:20.31 | karsten | elriah: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-modules.html |
| 03:20.31 | Wyzard | and it does work in Windows on this box :-/ |
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| 03:20.59 | Dewi | Wyzard: hmm. all I know is that windows often used to mark ATA channels as "unreliable for DMA" after having optical devices on them |
| 03:21.26 | Wyzard | weird |
| 03:21.43 | Wyzard | Well, let's see what happens if I connect this drive back to the other box |
| 03:21.46 | Dewi | Wyzard: in other words if I used an optical device on a channel for too long, I would usually have to force windows to reprobe the whole ATA bus again because it would just refuse to do DMA near them. |
| 03:22.07 | Wyzard | lol |
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| 03:22.09 | Wyzard | That's kinda dumb |
| 03:22.44 | Dewi | Wyzard: obviously not all optical devices, but it's a regular thing for windows users. I think sometimes optical devices don't reply as normal if they get a particularly badly scratched disk |
| 03:22.57 | yvest | Ok, what the hell to I do about this:The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:22.59 | yvest | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.00 | yvest | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.02 | Dewi | Wyzard: this was on PATA of course |
| 03:23.09 | Wyzard | Well, this is regardless of whether there's even a disc in the drive |
| 03:23.23 | Dewi | yvest: upgrade perl-base? |
| 03:23.26 | karsten | elriah: also: |
| 03:23.32 | karsten | !blacklist |
| 03:23.33 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 03:23.45 | Wyzard | I'm wondering if maybe the SiI controller's BIOS doesn't properly support ATAPI or something |
| 03:23.54 | yvest | No, I get the same error... |
| 03:24.03 | Dewi | Wyzard: hmm... that's a thought. I've never had an optical SATA device |
| 03:24.12 | Wyzard | I do get a warning message from isolinux, when booting a Linux distro's install CD, about a "badly misbehaving BIOS" or something to that effect, that it has to work around |
| 03:24.49 | Dewi | Wyzard: is that your ASUS mboard though? Because IIRC linuxes used to complain about a bad ACPI setup or something..... |
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| 03:25.29 | Wyzard | I can can use SATA optical drives (the 16X burner in question, as well as the 20X burner I replaced it with) with no problems in my other box, with the AHCI controller |
| 03:25.40 | Dewi | Wyzard: I would get warnings my "system might be unstable". I don't remember which board this was but chances are it was an Asus/AMD of the same vintage |
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| 03:25.58 | yvest | should I be able to upgrade to sarge5 from sarge4 with apt-get upgrade? |
| 03:26.16 | Dewi | yvest: sure |
| 03:26.29 | Dewi | yvest: it's probably not exactly the same error. What you pasted wasn't actually an error |
| 03:26.44 | yvest | humm, well I that that perl dependancy problem... |
| 03:27.07 | Dewi | yvest: sure, but what you pasted basically means "upgrade perl-base to 5.8.4-8sarge5 or we can't continue" |
| 03:27.12 | Wyzard | "isolinux: Loading spec packet failed, trying to wing it..." |
| 03:27.30 | Wyzard | "isolinux: Extremely broken BIOS detected, last ditch attempt with drive = A0" |
| 03:27.31 | Dewi | yvest: so the next question is, why can't perl-base upgrade? |
| 03:27.44 | Wyzard | from both the Debian and Gentoo install CDs, right before the boot prompt |
| 03:27.51 | yvest | well here's the error then: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.4-8sarge5_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 03:27.53 | yvest | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.02 | fantasma | what's a good simple font viewer I can use in console? |
| 03:28.16 | Dewi | Wyzard: heh. I see. So those linuxes are coping better than sarge (with some protests?) |
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| 03:28.42 | Dewi | yvest: what's digikit? |
| 03:28.45 | yvest | that's then I just run apt-get -f install |
| 03:28.54 | yvest | Dewi, I'm not sure : |
| 03:28.57 | yvest | :) |
| 03:28.58 | LunarCrisis | How can I run a program telling it to look in a certain place for shared libraries? |
| 03:29.53 | Dewi | yvest: I can't find it in any of my debians |
| 03:30.04 | Dewi | yvest: it sounds like a non-debian package breaking debian policy |
| 03:30.09 | Wyzard | Dewi: I haven't tried sarge... the Linuxes I have available on this box are the Etch installer CD, the Gentoo installer CD, and the Ubuntu installation that's on a PATA drive |
| 03:30.22 | Wyzard | Dewi: as well as an OpenSolaris installation DVD, which doesn't find the drive either |
| 03:30.22 | Dewi | Wyzard: oh, etch. sorry |
| 03:30.47 | yvest | I think It's a package from pprz: http://recherche.enac.fr/paparazzi (which is what I'm working on...) |
| 03:31.22 | Dewi | yvest: can you afford to uninstall it for a bit, and add it again after the update? |
| 03:31.28 | MatBoy | How are the experiences between XFCE and Gnome these days ? |
| 03:31.37 | MatBoy | on Etch :) |
| 03:31.40 | Dewi | yvest: because that might be the easiest way to resolve its disagreement with perl |
| 03:32.10 | yvest | I'll try that Dewi... |
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| 03:34.01 | Wyzard | Dewi: I just connected the DVD drive to another box (the one with the aforementioned AHCI controller) and successfully mounted a CD, with no error messages from the kernel |
| 03:34.13 | Wyzard | Dewi: I guess the SiI3112 just doesn't properly support ATAPI devices :-( |
| 03:34.14 | Ninjai | hello...is there a package or step by step to make my shell/terminal to have full colors for dirs/files...etc.etc ? |
| 03:34.20 | yvest | humm.... |
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| 03:34.32 | yvest | debian:~# apt-get remove digikit paparazzi-base |
| 03:34.33 | yvest | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 03:34.35 | yvest | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 03:34.36 | yvest | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 03:34.38 | yvest | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:34.39 | yvest | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.41 | yvest | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.42 | yvest | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 03:34.52 | fantasma | where is debian's rc.conf? |
| 03:34.58 | LunarCrisis | yvest, don't do that >.< |
| 03:35.07 | yvest | It doesn't really get removed... |
| 03:35.11 | LunarCrisis | yvest, use pastebin |
| 03:36.21 | yvest | sorry... |
| 03:36.46 | Dewi | yvest: sigh. you might need to --force it. I'm a bit worried about this... perl is quite central to the package management infrastructure itself, and yours is currently broken |
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| 03:38.32 | yvest | --force isn't an option to apt-get is it? |
| 03:39.48 | Guerin | it isn't |
| 03:39.57 | karsten | yvest: No, you're looking for "--grovel" |
| 03:40.03 | karsten | yvest: ... which hasn't been implemented yet. |
| 03:40.17 | Guerin | yvest: do what it tells you: apt-get -f install;\ |
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| 03:40.54 | shun | hello |
| 03:41.25 | yvest | Guerin, I wish it was that easy... I get: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/perl/5.8', which is also in package digikit |
| 03:41.34 | yvest | but I cant remove digikit... |
| 03:41.41 | yvest | :( |
| 03:41.49 | karsten | yvest: You can force the removal. |
| 03:41.58 | Dewi | Guerin: digikit being some kind of unofficial package which has caused these problems before |
| 03:41.58 | Acu | if I start Debian Etch without the monitor attached - the rezolution is VERY LOW - why is that - and how can I make it stay as was originally ? |
| 03:42.23 | shun | trying to set up password protection for certian directories with apache2, running etch. directory locations are not the same as the apache2 docs. where should I put the password file that htpasswd uses? |
| 03:42.40 | Dewi | yvest, Guerin : I can see people dealing with the exact same problem 6 months ago in irclogs when I google "perl digikit" |
| 03:43.04 | Dewi | yvest, Guerin : only in google cache though, I can't access the site itself |
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| 03:43.34 | karsten | yvest: Try "dpkg --purge --force-depends digikit" |
| 03:43.41 | Dewi | Acu: having no monitor is indeed a low resolution :) |
| 03:43.51 | shun | im sure its a trivial question. but I really dont know. |
| 03:43.55 | Dewi | Acu: are you talking about console or X? |
| 03:43.56 | karsten | yvest: If that doesn't work, you can list the package contents, remove them, and change your package list manually. |
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| 03:44.12 | maddash | !fglrx |
| 03:44.12 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 03:44.13 | shun | I have a thought that I can put it whereever I want as long as i know were it is |
| 03:44.26 | maddash | the m-a path is troublesome as heck |
| 03:44.27 | yvest | Karsten I get an unable to connnect to irclog.org... |
| 03:44.30 | Dewi | shun: you specify the full path yourself in the AuthUserFile directive |
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| 03:44.58 | Dewi | shun: so yes it can be anywhere apache can read it |
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| 03:45.02 | shun | so it doesnt matter where it goes? as long as it is not somewhere someone can download it eh? |
| 03:45.21 | karsten | yvest: Sorry? |
| 03:45.28 | Dewi | shun: well, if it is named .htpasswd apache will normally stop anyone from downloading it. However I usually opt to keep them outside the web root |
| 03:45.29 | shun | Great! Thanks Dewi. |
| 03:45.29 | karsten | yvest: When attempting removal? |
| 03:45.42 | Dewi | yvest: like I say, the site is down. The google cache has it |
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| 03:46.03 | huck | anyone know the command to show the relative path of a file? |
| 03:46.51 | karsten | huck: "relative path"? |
| 03:47.04 | Dewi | huck: relative to what? |
| 03:47.13 | karsten | huck: Um, "ls". Nonsensical question. |
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| 03:47.22 | huck | the relative path to a file... it's for a school project |
| 03:47.26 | karsten | huck: What file in what context? |
| 03:47.31 | karsten | !homework |
| 03:47.32 | dpkg | Given at strip joint, and the time for strip joint is during a recession. |
| 03:47.33 | Dewi | !homework |
| 03:47.49 | huck | the file name is paths.txt in the folder class... so I think it's ../../class/paths.txt but I want to be sure |
| 03:48.09 | Dewi | huck: er... you're out of your depth. go back to start. |
| 03:48.09 | karsten | huck: Google "unix relative path" |
| 03:48.32 | huck | karsten: I tried that... but it's not coming up with anything |
| 03:48.50 | karsten | huck: Google's down?!!! |
| 03:48.52 | Dewi | "Results 1 - 10 of about 1,040,000" |
| 03:48.57 | karsten | huck: Where are you at school? |
| 03:49.09 | Dewi | huck: dude the top 10 hits are all tutorials on basic path usage |
| 03:49.17 | yvest | karsten, I don't see any kind or resolution on this IRC log!? |
| 03:49.18 | karsten | Dewi: You lie. It's only 1,010,000. |
| 03:49.24 | Dewi | karsten: google.com.au |
| 03:49.32 | kalve | huck: if you are in /this/is/my/path/, and the file is in /this/is/my/files/path/, the relative path to your file is ../files/path/ :p |
| 03:49.40 | Dewi | karsten: clearly australians know more about unix paths |
| 03:49.56 | karsten | Dewi: Right, mate. |
| 03:50.05 | huck | kalve: thanks... that's what I thought, but I have to be sure |
| 03:50.15 | kalve | ... |
| 03:50.28 | Dewi | yvest: it was me who mentioned the irc log, not karsten. I didn't see a resolution either... but it was quite annoying to navigate what with the server being down |
| 03:50.40 | huck | thanks guys... I'll check it out more... maybe I was using the wrong search terms |
| 03:51.06 | huck | karsten: UOP is my school... online. |
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| 03:51.26 | yvest | Sorry Dewi.. |
| 03:51.30 | militant | evenin folks. |
| 03:51.40 | kalve | militant: sir, yes sir! |
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| 03:51.49 | Dewi | yvest: did you try the command karsten recommended? |
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| 03:52.07 | karsten | yvest: dpkg -L <package>. Remove the named files. Change the package status line to "purge ok not-installed", and check the prerm/postrm scripts for any additional cleanup you'd need to do. |
| 03:52.19 | karsten | huck: Who'se your prof? |
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| 03:53.00 | militant | so, got a bit of a question. i've installed alsa, checked mixer levels, alsaconf finds the right soundcard... but i get no sound? |
| 03:53.15 | yvest | Dewi, what command was that? |
| 03:53.19 | huck | ../foo Relative path to the file foo in the directory above the current directory. |
| 03:53.23 | huck | if anyone cares |
| 03:53.41 | Guerin | huck: we know, because we've been using unix more than an hour |
| 03:53.43 | fantasma | any framebuffer masters around? |
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| 03:53.51 | Dewi | 13:43:34 < karsten> yvest: Try "dpkg --purge --force-depends digikit" |
| 03:53.52 | karsten | Guerin: You have! |
| 03:53.55 | yvest | Change the package status line <- where do I do that... |
| 03:54.06 | karsten | yvest: Carefully. |
| 03:54.14 | karsten | yvest: You'll want to back that file up first. |
| 03:54.18 | Guerin | karsten: i know you're up to at least half a day now. |
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| 03:54.32 | huck | Guerin: sorry pal... just trying to be helpful |
| 03:55.08 | huck | Guerin: I've been using linux as a desktop for 2 years and never had to know that |
| 03:55.13 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:55.22 | karsten | yvest: I'm trying to find a good doc for you. I can't handhold you. |
| 03:55.23 | Guerin | who says linux isn't ready for the deaktop? |
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| 03:56.14 | yvest | I remove digikit with the dpkg, but still no luck... |
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| 03:57.28 | yvest | check out #flood... |
| 03:57.36 | karsten | yvest: edit /var/lib/dpkg/status. Search for "^Package: digikit". Edit the line below starting "Status" to read as I told you. |
| 03:57.40 | karsten | yvest: Use a pastebin |
| 03:57.46 | karsten | !tell yvest about paster |
| 03:57.56 | karsten | Guerin: Can you handhold yvest ? |
| 03:58.03 | karsten | Guerin: I've got a workout to get in, and sleep. |
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| 03:59.29 | karsten | Guerin: C'mon, you've got at least 2 hours' experience .... |
| 03:59.53 | karsten | yvest: This page doesn't quite get you there but comes from a really good packaging reference: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 03:59.58 | yvest | I've used pastebot... |
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| 04:00.35 | wired_ | what is the name of that text based web browser? |
| 04:00.47 | yvest | lynx |
| 04:00.50 | wireddd | ahh |
| 04:00.51 | karsten | wireddd: lynx, links, elinks2, elinks, w3m. |
| 04:01.13 | karsten | wireddd: I prefer the last myself, elinks might be friendlier, lynx is ye olde standard but is pretty crufty. |
| 04:01.25 | karsten | wireddd: There's also dog. |
| 04:01.34 | karsten | wireddd: ... if you like your pages raw. |
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| 04:02.17 | yvest | Karsten, Digikit isn't in status since I deleted it... |
| 04:02.27 | karsten | yvest: Then what's your problem? |
| 04:02.44 | yvest | well, look at what I sent via pastebot... |
| 04:02.51 | karsten | yvest: URL? |
| 04:03.04 | yvest | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5780. |
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| 04:03.21 | r4nge | where can i set whether or not to use pam for local login |
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| 04:03.41 | karsten | yvest: Well, what package is /usr/lib/perl/5.8 also in now? |
| 04:03.46 | wireddd | karsten: no I had to get some packages from experimental and I couldn't remember what they were called |
| 04:03.47 | karsten | yvest: Same problem, different package. |
| 04:03.56 | wireddd | lynx worked just fine |
| 04:04.11 | karsten | yvest: And let this be a lesson to you about installing crap 3rd-party debs. |
| 04:04.27 | karsten | wireddd: It works fine. The keyboard bindings and color scheme leave me cold though. |
| 04:04.40 | karsten | wireddd: I actually _use_ w3m, pretty heavily. |
| 04:05.06 | karsten | yvest: perl-anim. Remove it. Same drill if 'aptitude remove' or 'dpkg --purge' don't work. |
| 04:05.11 | yvest | Isn't perl-anim a standard package? |
| 04:05.15 | karsten | yvest: And whatever else complains. |
| 04:05.20 | karsten | yvest: Not in my archive it ain.t |
| 04:05.23 | karsten | ain't. |
| 04:05.31 | karsten | yvest: Anyhow, I'm gone. G'luck. |
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| 04:06.23 | wireddd | karsten: I don't like being in console any longer than I have too, but I updated the nvidia kernel driver to the one in experimental and forgot to update the x side of the nivida stuff |
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| 04:06.59 | yvest | Ah! removin perl-anim fixed it! whoowooo thanks! |
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| 04:09.07 | Azar | o/t I wish to view this swf with Firefox I do not know what I need: http://blog.lobby4linux.com/exit.php?url_id=727&entry_id=109 |
| 04:10.23 | Azar | karsten.. |
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| 04:12.21 | maddash | should running `sudo sh ati-driver-installer-8.34.8-x86.x86_64.run` be equivalent to `fakeroot sh ati-driver-installer-8.34.8-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/etch` and then dpkg-ing the subsequently created packages? |
| 04:12.35 | Acu | if I start Debian Etch without the monitor attached - the rezolution is VERY LOW - why is that - and how can I make it stay as was originally ? - Dewi was ready to answer but I was away - can anyone help here ? |
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| 04:14.27 | LinuxNIT | is there an advantage of useing the start-stop-daemon app in a script over just using kill? |
| 04:15.08 | sporkmonger | so... i am on a quest to get apache installed on a server and i'm having some troubles: http://pastie.caboo.se/48962 anyone have any idea why this is happening? (the error at the end doesn't make any sense since obviously I just installed apr 1.2.8) |
| 04:15.15 | DawnLight | do mp3 cd players play anything other then cda and mp3? can they play mpeg layer 2 like toolame makes, or ogg? |
| 04:16.07 | sporkmonger | DawnLight: depends on the mp3 cd player |
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| 04:16.24 | Azar | Acu: you can opt for your resolution by using : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 04:17.47 | Azar | DawnLight: I had to convert .xm, s3m, .mod files to mp3 in order to play them on mp3 |
| 04:17.55 | Azar | players |
| 04:18.00 | Acu | Azar: I did that - however if I have two choices when I start without the monitor it goes to the lowest - maybe I should leave a single resolution - OK that might be a solution |
| 04:18.26 | Azar | Acu: I do not understand you: what you mean by "start without monitor" ? |
| 04:18.52 | lunitik | headless |
| 04:19.15 | Azar | lunitik: for me "no monitor" means not looking at any screen since there is none |
| 04:19.26 | DawnLight | is there a licsence issue with mp3, since i don't see it anywhere? |
| 04:19.43 | Guerin | DawnLight: nit license, but patent issues with encoders. |
| 04:19.49 | Azar | DawnLight: heck no idea ask mp3 users |
| 04:19.49 | Guerin | s/nit/not/ |
| 04:20.00 | Azar | good evening mr Guerin |
| 04:20.04 | lunitik | X tries to read what the monitor can handle the resolution selected, and likely defaults to 640x480 when it gets no result |
| 04:20.06 | Guerin | this is why sane people use ogg vorbis |
| 04:20.17 | Guerin | Azar: good afternoon. |
| 04:20.30 | Azar | Guerin wow you live in the future! |
| 04:20.31 | Acu | Azar: yes headless start - for example if I want to use Krfb - to remote to the desktop - it will be to low resolution |
| 04:20.31 | lunitik | Azar: for me 'start without a monitor' or 'no monitor' means there isn't a monitor ... idk |
| 04:20.40 | Guerin | Azar: i do indeed. |
| 04:21.02 | lunitik | DawnLight: libmad0 is in main last I checked |
| 04:21.03 | DawnLight | do portable audio players and cd players play ogg? |
| 04:21.04 | Heston | its simple, remove the lower resolutions from your xorg config |
| 04:21.11 | Azar | lunitik: so: no monitor=no viewable text=no resolution |
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| 04:21.38 | lunitik | Azar: no monitor = no answer = safe default |
| 04:21.44 | Azar | Acu: If you refer by "no monitor" = no desktop/no gui= command line then yes there is only one low resolution |
| 04:22.00 | DawnLight | how about libido0? |
| 04:22.05 | Acu | Heston: yes Azar sugested it too - I might go for it - why did I not think of this ? :) |
| 04:22.07 | Vasistha | well, there's always vga=791 |
| 04:22.20 | lunitik | Heston: not as easy as that, if there is no monitor, or the monitor can't handle the desired resolution, it will indeed set it smaller |
| 04:22.46 | Heston | lunitik, i dont think it will set it to a res not listed in your xorg conf |
| 04:22.52 | Azar | Acu: it is sane to keep the lowest for say command line games :) |
| 04:23.33 | lunitik | Heston: I've done it, because this monitor will argue when I try to set it to 1240x1024 sometimes |
| 04:23.34 | Azar | Acu: I keep only 2 resolutions: the lowest and the one I use with the xserver |
| 04:23.56 | lunitik | Heston: with nothing else listed, it sometimes will still use 800x600 |
| 04:24.04 | Heston | hmm |
| 04:24.16 | Heston | well its easy to change the res after you're in x |
| 04:24.17 | lunitik | or perhaps it's 640x480 too... things are HUGE though |
| 04:24.33 | Wyzard | Acu: If you don't have your monitor's supported refresh rates specified in your xorg.conf, X has to query the monitor to determine them |
| 04:24.46 | Wyzard | Acu: If the monitor isn't connected, it can't do that, so it uses a set of very conservative defaults |
| 04:24.47 | Heston | ctrl alt + i think is the combination of keys |
| 04:24.49 | lunitik | Heston: there is no GUI for Debian that won't go by what is in xorg.conf |
| 04:24.59 | Acu | Heston: how do you change the resolution once you are in X - because if you start headless - you are not going to have the other options |
| 04:25.28 | Heston | try ctrl alt + and ctrl alt - to cycle through avaible resolutions |
| 04:25.47 | Heston | available |
| 04:26.08 | lunitik | Acu: basically, I think your only solution is to just plug the monitor in and reset X, or your box, with a different resolution |
| 04:26.28 | lunitik | (depending on whether you want your console or X or both to be your desired resolution) |
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| 04:27.49 | Xenguy | heh |
| 04:28.03 | Heston | there's a point, stop x from loading on startup and load it after you've connected a monitor |
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| 04:28.32 | DawnLight | is there a virtual pet in the repo? |
| 04:28.41 | Xenguy | Heston: doesn't sound like a desktop system really |
| 04:28.45 | DawnLight | amor doesn't count |
| 04:28.49 | markybob | DawnLight, seriously? you want a virtual pet? |
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| 04:28.50 | lunitik | DawnLight: a few actually |
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| 04:29.06 | Heston | Xenguy, whats your point |
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| 04:29.16 | DawnLight | it's for my mom. she's still not intirely convinced of this linux thing |
| 04:29.32 | Xenguy | Heston: my point is simply: if it is a server, then fuck X :-) |
| 04:29.39 | Acu | lunitik: if I set up a remote server somewhere and still want to access GUI I can use Krfb - but if the resolution is very low it sucks |
| 04:29.47 | kalve | how can I get battery charge info in console? |
| 04:29.54 | DawnLight | linitik: please recommend! |
| 04:29.58 | Heston | Xenguy, he's free to do whatever he wants, im just giving him possible solutions |
| 04:30.01 | grandpapadot | Hi all. I setup vsftpd and specified a user_list and chroot_list and added a user and set that users password and created a /home dir for that user and adjusted permissions and ownership. For some reason, I can't login via ftp. I just get access denied. Any ideas? |
| 04:30.01 | Acu | Heston: If you start the computer headless, there is no option for higher resolution |
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| 04:30.12 | eeyore- | dawnlight: commodore PET? |
| 04:30.18 | Acu | thanks anyhow |
| 04:30.24 | Xenguy | Heston: I guess I have lost the thread; no worries |
| 04:30.33 | lunitik | DawnLight: I can't find any currently... there are things that will climb around your windows though, for instance |
| 04:32.06 | Azar | Xenguy: I agree, to hell with X if is a server |
| 04:32.16 | lunitik | Acu: Why don't you just have the remote machine connect to the server?!?! export DISPLAY="someip:0.0" I believe (don't quote me) |
| 04:32.33 | Xenguy | Azar: the old school is occasionally correct :-) |
| 04:32.35 | markybob | why is a better question than "why dont" |
| 04:32.46 | lunitik | Using VNC or RDP is overkill for that setup |
| 04:34.14 | DawnLight | eeyore-, what's that? |
| 04:34.14 | Heston | using x on a server is overkill too |
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| 04:34.14 | Acu | lunitik: that's neat! so I can export the Display ? |
| 04:34.15 | Xenguy | Heston: then we agree |
| 04:34.18 | Heston | Xenguy, it was never a question, im just saying its his decision |
| 04:34.21 | lunitik | Heston: not really... I can think of no better way to do things like setup thin clients for example? |
| 04:34.26 | Xenguy | Heston: ok |
| 04:34.30 | Azar | x is not only bloating but blinding if you try doing admin tasks |
| 04:34.43 | markybob | acu yes. that's what ssh -X is for |
| 04:34.45 | lunitik | Acu: indeed, X is designed for this... |
| 04:35.10 | Xenguy | Acu: ssh -X rocks |
| 04:35.12 | Dewi | lunitik: one reason not to export displays is that if your network goes down even for a moment all your applications can terminate |
| 04:35.12 | militant | hmmm my volume control has disappeared from the gnome bar... what's that about? |
| 04:35.42 | markybob | militant, killall gnome-panel make it come back? |
| 04:35.47 | lunitik | Dewi: given that scenario, wouldn't the apps be running on the server? |
| 04:35.56 | Azar | lunitik: it would be like wearing dark sunglasses while trying to gaze at numbers on a spreadsheet |
| 04:35.59 | Acu | I have now two Debian boxes beside each other how do I do this ssh -X? (just a startup hint is enough) |
| 04:36.00 | Dewi | lunitik: yes but when the X server goes down so do all the apps |
| 04:36.03 | lunitik | militant: you removed it or it crashed... add it back :/ |
| 04:36.04 | Guerin | Dewi: good portable music players do play ogg, yes |
| 04:36.06 | Xenguy | militant: or Ctrl-Alt-Backspace =) |
| 04:36.06 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:36.11 | militant | lunitik, nope. |
| 04:36.11 | Guerin | DawnLight: good portable music players do play ogg, yes |
| 04:36.13 | militant | Xenguy, nope |
| 04:36.15 | Dewi | Guerin: I know, I have two :) |
| 04:36.16 | militant | neither |
| 04:36.21 | Guerin | DawnLight: i recommend iAudio and iRiver |
| 04:36.34 | lunitik | militant: OK... add it back :/ |
| 04:36.46 | DawnLight | thanks Guerin |
| 04:36.59 | lunitik | Xenguy: I thought iRiver was from HP? |
| 04:37.00 | militant | uh, i don't know what that particular applet is called, nor how to 'add it back' |
| 04:37.06 | markybob | acu edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 04:37.07 | Guerin | Xenguy: really? |
| 04:37.12 | Dewi | lunitik: no |
| 04:37.14 | lunitik | militant: try 'Volume' |
| 04:37.17 | Xenguy | Guerin: late breaking news I think... |
| 04:37.22 | Guerin | my wife just got one from her work reward scheme |
| 04:37.30 | Xenguy | Guerin: but there are other alternatives AFAIK |
| 04:37.35 | Guerin | it's pretty good, gets ~50 hours from a single AA battery |
| 04:37.37 | Dewi | Xenguy: what makes you think this? |
| 04:37.39 | militant | lunitik, no 'volume' or 'Volume' |
| 04:37.50 | nvz | Guerin: what kind of storage media? |
| 04:37.51 | lunitik | militant: dpkg -l gnome-applets |
| 04:37.56 | Guerin | nvz: 1G flash |
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| 04:37.58 | markybob | iriver *did* pull out of making new portable music devices |
| 04:37.59 | Xenguy | Dewi: hey, I hope I'm wrong, but I read it in a local PC mag column |
| 04:38.08 | nvz | Guerin: menu navigation? |
| 04:38.09 | Dewi | nvz: I have the 1G flash too, it does last 40+ hours of playback |
| 04:38.15 | Guerin | nvz: dunno, haven't used it |
| 04:38.32 | Dewi | nvz: the ones with the big LCDs don't last anywhere near as long |
| 04:38.34 | Guerin | my iAudio X5L is the ultimate win, though |
| 04:38.35 | militant | lunitik, what about it? it just lists gnome-applets itself |
| 04:38.39 | Acu | thanks a bunch guys - keep cool - see you around |
| 04:38.54 | Guerin | 35 hours on a charge, holds 30G of data, plays any format you can think of, including flac |
| 04:38.58 | Dewi | nvz: yes it has a little 1 or 2 line LCD and menus |
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| 04:39.15 | Xenguy | Guerin: heh, nice |
| 04:39.25 | lunitik | militant: dpkg -L gnome-applets | grep *olume* (cuz idk if it's upper or lower case..) |
| 04:39.40 | Guerin | and it has a screen and will display txt files, so is good for carrying arouns an OPIE passwrd list |
| 04:39.48 | markybob | lunitik, uh...that's what grep -i is for |
| 04:39.58 | lunitik | markybob: I knew that |
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| 04:40.00 | Heston | Guerin, and this is the IRiver you are talking about? |
| 04:40.04 | Guerin | kept mey boxen from getting haxx0red when in shark- and giovernment-infested internet rooms in Asia |
| 04:40.10 | Guerin | Heston: nope, iAudio |
| 04:40.14 | Xenguy | Heston: iaudio ? |
| 04:40.22 | lunitik | markybob: in this case, same amount of charactors, but thank you :) |
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| 04:40.38 | militant | no results. but it was there until i ran alsaconf from a terminal... a reboot later and it's still not back |
| 04:40.41 | Dewi | Heston, Guerin: my newer iriver clix can view text files and mpeg4 too |
| 04:40.50 | Guerin | Dewi: cool. |
| 04:40.54 | Dewi | not as good interface or battery life as the little 1G one |
| 04:41.05 | Dewi | well it depends if you tag all your music |
| 04:41.07 | Guerin | tbh i didn't need the video-playing capacity of mine |
| 04:41.14 | Dewi | and like Windows Media Player |
| 04:41.20 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:41.27 | Guerin | WOFTMA |
| 04:41.34 | lunitik | Guerin: ? |
| 04:41.37 | Dewi | Guerin: the main problem with iriver is that the newer ones all integrate totally into the WMP media library |
| 04:41.56 | Guerin | lunitik: Waste Of Fucking Time Media Audio |
| 04:42.07 | Dewi | Guerin: which "people" probably think is cool, but I preferred the old one where I could say "play this directory" |
| 04:42.09 | Guerin | Dewi: deb's one doesnt - it's UMS |
| 04:42.19 | Guerin | oh, you mean the interface |
| 04:42.23 | Guerin | no idea about that |
| 04:42.23 | lunitik | militant: Gnome devels generally aren't very original with naming... I have no idea.... try #gnome on irc.gimp.org |
| 04:42.29 | Guerin | hers is a windows virgin |
| 04:42.37 | militant | alright |
| 04:42.54 | Dewi | Guerin: the newer ones are not UMS, and they play "albums" and "artists", there is no hierarchical filesystem |
| 04:43.11 | Guerin | Dewi: mm, they can be firmwareised to be UMS, I believe |
| 04:43.13 | Dewi | Guerin: the clix is what I have |
| 04:43.33 | Dewi | Guerin: the U10 which is similar can be firmwared, I'm not sure about mine tho |
| 04:43.33 | grandpapadot | What's the trick to getting vsftpd to allow users to login in sarge? |
| 04:43.47 | markybob | grandpapadot, change the config file to allow user login ? |
| 04:43.49 | Guerin | grandpapadot: read `man vsftpd.conf' |
| 04:44.04 | markybob | grandpapadot, that's actually an option in the conf. it's not enabled by default |
| 04:44.07 | Guerin | but you watch |
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| 04:44.23 | Guerin | i'm going away for the weekend and this will be the one time shit will die and I lose data |
| 04:44.32 | freespace | hrm, i installed ppc debian sarge 3.1r5, but the default mirror list keeps returning 404 when i do apt-get update. is there no ppc binaries available ? |
| 04:44.47 | markybob | freespace, apt-setup and pick another ? |
| 04:44.49 | Guerin | freespace: try another mirror |
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| 04:45.00 | grandpapadot | Right, I've been through all that. I've setup vsftpd on ubuntu, no problem. I'm just missing something "debian specific" I suppose. |
| 04:45.05 | freespace | using the default debian mirror must surely work, but ok |
| 04:45.13 | markybob | damnit. fuck ubuntu |
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| 04:45.21 | markybob | grandpapadot, reload the server after changing the config? |
| 04:45.45 | Azar | is vsftpd a debian package? |
| 04:46.05 | Guerin | Azar: most assuredly. |
| 04:46.05 | kalve | Azar: yes |
| 04:46.06 | markybob | Azar, yes... |
| 04:46.10 | GmLB | I am having trouble with my new networking card. It is a K8N-LR motherboard with a built in NetXtreme BCM5721 Gige card. I tried modprobe tg3 w/ no luck. Any suggestions? |
| 04:46.17 | grandpapadot | Yep. |
| 04:46.18 | markybob | Azar, it's probably *the* #1 ftp server |
| 04:46.45 | Guerin | if it's good enough for ftp.debian.org, ftp.openbsd.org and ftp.kernel.org, it's good enough for you |
| 04:47.02 | markybob | suse, etc. vsftpd is used everywhere |
| 04:47.07 | Azar | oh I see.... well sorry for my lack of knowledge, never used ftp stuff |
| 04:47.09 | grandpapadot | I just want it to allow my users to login... |
| 04:47.19 | Guerin | grandpapadot: did you RTFD? |
| 04:47.24 | Heston | GmLB, sounds like you've got an off brand ethernet adapter, i would check the officially supported hardware list |
| 04:47.25 | lunitik | markybob: I thought SUSE defaulted to proftpd ? |
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| 04:47.39 | Guerin | lunitik: that sounds like typical suse bloat |
| 04:47.44 | GmLB | Heston, for debian? Or for linux kernel? Where can I find this? |
| 04:47.47 | lunitik | (If you didn't request a specific FTP server during setting up via YaST) |
| 04:47.48 | markybob | lunitik, i dont know what suse defaults to. i meant the actual suse server. and opensuse.org |
| 04:48.08 | militant | lunitik, fixed the volume control crap. now ... i gotta figure out why everything looks fine and i get no errors anywhere than i'm aware of, but i get no sound OUTPUT at all |
| 04:48.24 | lunitik | militant: turn it up |
| 04:48.25 | Heston | GmLB, i guess it would be for the linux kernel itself...im sure google can help you with this |
| 04:48.31 | militant | lunitik, it is up. |
| 04:48.45 | Azar | check the speakers too, I tend to hook them up on wrong places :) |
| 04:49.12 | Guerin | a couple of 250G drives should do the trick, i even have a raid card! |
| 04:49.13 | Azar | militant: and see if your user is added to "audio" |
| 04:49.17 | Dewi | lunitik: I have a linux server to which I often connect using VLC... is there really a well-supported way of keeping X clients running when the X server goes down? |
| 04:49.18 | militant | wiat |
| 04:49.21 | militant | yeah |
| 04:49.24 | Guerin | (are SIS raid cards worth using?) |
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| 04:49.37 | militant | azar it's a laptop. but lemme do the audio group bit, i don't think i did that part |
| 04:50.16 | militant | nope |
| 04:50.19 | militant | already a member of audio |
| 04:50.44 | Azar | militant: one last thing might be your player is not instructed to use the right module? alsa ? |
| 04:51.04 | Dewi | lunitik: argh. I need to take the network down. brb. |
| 04:51.16 | Azar | militant: I installed xmms and I had to switch from the default oss to alsa on the options |
| 04:51.28 | militant | alsa isn't listed as an option in vlc, only OSS ... lemme check other media players |
| 04:51.42 | Heston | Guerin, well they are lower end cards..as long as they dont corrupt data, why not |
| 04:52.04 | markybob | militant, apt-get install vlc-plugin-alsa |
| 04:52.07 | Wyzard | Guerin: They're fakeraid... they'd work, but unless you need the array to be supported by other OSes, you might as well just use Linux software RAID |
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| 04:52.22 | Guerin | Wyzard: oh, ok. |
| 04:52.29 | Azar | yea like markybob said, get plugins too if you need them |
| 04:52.33 | militant | Azar, it's set to alsa, and still no output |
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| 04:52.38 | Guerin | huh, i thought it was proper raid FSR |
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| 04:52.46 | Azar | militant: ^^^ at markybob |
| 04:53.05 | Azar | militant: I only play .xm and s3m files and I needed special plugins for them on my player |
| 04:53.09 | militant | Azar, i get no output in ANY media player. regardless of what settings i fiddle with |
| 04:53.13 | Wyzard | Guerin: Unless it's 3ware or Adaptec, it's probably fakeraid |
| 04:53.22 | Guerin | heh |
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| 04:53.25 | Guerin | or LSI? |
| 04:53.37 | militant | i think maybe i need to go thru the sound setup from the start, again. |
| 04:53.39 | Wyzard | dunno about them |
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| 04:54.19 | Wyzard | but my understanding is that md is preferred over dmraid, if you don't mind that md is Linux-specific |
| 04:54.24 | Azar | militant: also the oss modules might be loaded and prevents the alsa modules kiking in... check your /etc/modules and see if any offending oss_audio sits there, blacklist it and replace it with the alsa module |
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| 04:54.57 | militant | ahh Azar there's nothing about sound at all in there. |
| 04:55.06 | Guerin | Wyzard: this would end up being on obsd |
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| 04:55.22 | Azar | well that is it... you don't have sound module setup |
| 04:55.27 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 04:55.40 | militant | yeah. i guess so. |
| 04:55.50 | Azar | Wyzard: what is the fastest way to check for alsa modules? |
| 04:56.07 | Wyzard | hehe, silly OpenSolaris... I boot the install DVD and it tells me sorry, this can only be installed from DVD media |
| 04:56.18 | Guerin | classy |
| 04:56.23 | Azar | spanky |
| 04:56.25 | Wyzard | Azar: lsmod | grep snd, I guess |
| 04:56.31 | Guerin | that's Murdock's new company |
| 04:56.33 | Azar | thank you Wyzard |
| 04:56.34 | Guerin | nice |
| 04:56.44 | Azar | militant: look at Wyzard's advice |
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| 04:59.29 | militant | ok, hrrm. |
| 05:02.00 | militant | errrm my other box has nothing about sound in /etc/modules and sound works just fine? |
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| 05:03.01 | Guerin | militant: it might come as a shock that not all computers are the same |
| 05:03.08 | Guerin | but it is in fact the case |
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| 05:04.01 | militant | yes, i know, i'm just wondering why i need alsa modules in /etc/modules on one box, but on another which also uses alsa, it's not needed |
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| 05:06.58 | grendal_prime | hey i just watched 300..the movie, its not that battle i was thinking it was about..does anyone remember a battle that took place on top of a plateau? |
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| 05:08.00 | grendal_prime | was one of those ones where increadibly small amount of soldiers defended the the higher ground. |
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| 05:08.44 | liquidfx | Battle of The Little Big Horn? |
| 05:08.44 | beoba | alamo? |
| 05:09.02 | PingFloyd | don't know, just know it's about a battle that happenned where about 300 spartan took on thousands of turks |
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| 05:09.51 | grendal_prime | persians, but its not the battle im thinking about. this was some older war..like around the time of the spartans but...grrr |
| 05:10.40 | grendal_prime | its one of the battles they have you study in tactics classes because the odds were so stacked against these guys but the terrain work so much in there advantage |
| 05:11.14 | liquidfx | only other one that i can think of in those times in the battle of troy |
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| 05:11.45 | Heston | so was 300 any good then? |
| 05:11.48 | grendal_prime | in the end they lost becsause it turned out to be a draught year and the ran out of wather. |
| 05:12.07 | PingFloyd | Peloponnesian War? |
| 05:12.14 | Wyzard | 300 is good if you don't expect it to be historically accurate :-) |
| 05:12.17 | Noah0504 | Does anyone have any console application to reccomend? I already use Irssi, but that's about the only thing running on an older computer I have... any suggestion to make it more useful? |
| 05:12.26 | grendal_prime | 300 was good. i mean...alot of blood mahem you now alot of good one liners. |
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| 05:12.44 | ansong | i need a good source for windows troubleshooting, support.microsoft.com and google have left me high and dry. does anyone know of any network/channel that would assist me in windowsxp? |
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| 05:12.53 | Guerin | because blood, mayhem and one-liners are all which matter ina movie? |
| 05:12.53 | grendal_prime | honor duty to contry alot of that shit |
| 05:13.11 | Wyzard | The way they accelerate and stop "time" for dramatic effect during the battle scenes, I was thinking "hey, this is like Prince of Persia, except this time the Persians are the bad guys" |
| 05:13.20 | Noah0504 | grendal_prime: "A thousand armies of the Persian empire desend upon you; our arrows will blot out the sun." |
| 05:13.20 | Guerin | i saw Babel last night, and it's one of the best films I've seen since the last time I watched an Alejandro Inarritu film |
| 05:13.36 | grendal_prime | we will fight in the shade then |
| 05:13.36 | Wyzard | Noah0504: To be fair, they really did blot out the sun |
| 05:13.38 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 05:13.43 | Draconicus | Okay, I'm in a hurry, so any help will be VERY much appreciated. dmesg confirms that this USB hard drive is detected and in working order. The device node is not ub* or sd*, and I have no idea what else it could be. Does anyone know how to find out exactly what it is or perhaps how to find out? |
| 05:13.47 | Draconicus | err |
| 05:13.49 | Guerin | !hurry |
| 05:13.50 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 05:13.54 | Noah0504 | Wyzard: Tis true. |
| 05:13.58 | PingFloyd | In 480 BC a small Spartan unit under King Leonidas made a legendary last stand against a massive, invading Persian army at the Battle of Thermopylae. One year later, Sparta assembled at full strength and led a Greek alliance against the Persians at Plataea. There, a decisive Greek victory put an end to the Greco-Persian War along with Persian ambition of expanding into Europe. <-- here it is |
| 05:13.59 | Draconicus | Err, rather, what it might be? |
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| 05:14.31 | Guerin | Draconicus: dmesg should tell you |
| 05:14.38 | Guerin | if it doesn't, it's proibably not working. |
| 05:14.39 | Wyzard | Draconicus: Load the usb-storage module and your drive should appear as a SCSI disk (i.e. /dev/sd*) |
| 05:14.51 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:15.02 | Guerin | time to hit the road |
| 05:15.06 | Guerin | roadtrips FTW! |
| 05:15.08 | Draconicus | AHA! I think it's scsi0 |
| 05:15.17 | kingsley | Draconicus: lsusb |
| 05:15.17 | Wyzard | Draconicus: Merely being detected as a USB device doesn't necessarily mean you have the driver for accessing it as a block device |
| 05:15.28 | Wyzard | scsi0 is the name of the virtual SCSI channel that the usb-storage driver creates |
| 05:15.29 | Draconicus | Wyzard: I've done it before with this same drive. |
| 05:15.35 | Wyzard | Does the drive show up in /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 05:15.58 | Draconicus | Nope. :( |
| 05:15.59 | Draconicus | Damn.. |
| 05:16.03 | Draconicus | I need this to work. |
| 05:16.21 | kingsley | Draconicus: Have you looked at "man lsusb"? |
| 05:16.32 | Wyzard | lsmod | grep usb_storage |
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| 05:17.18 | Draconicus | kingsley: lsusb sees it. Anyway, I've gotta go see if it's the drive that's to blame. |
| 05:18.03 | Heston | not even a thank you |
| 05:18.07 | Wyzard | lsusb just tells you that it's recognized as a generic USB device, not as a block device |
| 05:18.15 | Draconicus | Ah! Well here's the problem. |
| 05:18.15 | Wyzard | You need usb_storage for that |
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| 05:18.27 | Draconicus | Somehow the physical drive's jumper had been changed to slave. |
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| 05:18.45 | PingFloyd | Draconicus: it's magic |
| 05:19.10 | Wyzard | Oh, it's an external IDE enclosure connected via USB |
| 05:19.10 | PingFloyd | Draconicus: they didn't like being in charge |
| 05:19.15 | Wyzard | I was thinking it was a flash drive |
| 05:19.16 | narutosan | can somebody help me know more about "R/CRAN/BioC Packaging Improvements and Extensions" |
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| 05:19.29 | Draconicus | It's crazy is what it is. I know I've used the same hard drive in the same device and never taken it out since, yet somehow... |
| 05:19.30 | DawnLight | how about when a package reccomends/suggests another, an explanation as to why it does so will be included? |
| 05:19.42 | bh | anybody here have experience with installing and configuring dspam ? |
| 05:19.48 | narutosan | I want to know the prerequisites |
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| 05:20.33 | Draconicus | scsi 2:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery |
| 05:20.37 | Draconicus | It keeps doing that. :| |
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| 05:20.44 | Draconicus | Gerf. |
| 05:21.31 | Draconicus | I'll find a way. |
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| 05:23.22 | grendal_prime | ya screw the war thing |
| 05:23.26 | grendal_prime | i got work to do |
| 05:26.11 | De_Mon | Well, this CPU doesn't run very well with out it's fan... |
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| 05:26.58 | militant | heh, upgraded to a 2.6 kernel and sound just *works*. gee, wow. |
| 05:27.47 | PingFloyd | grendal_prime: I already gave the answer |
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| 05:28.36 | simonrvn | geek version of pink floyd? :) |
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| 05:34.02 | ansong | i've used a live cd (dd_rescue) to mirror a disk 200GB onto a 320GB. two partitions, of the exact same size as the originals result, along with free space on the end of the disk. i then used qtparted to move the second partition to the end and then resized the first partition to fill the vacated space. qtparted shows the full 289GB partition as the result, but all my filesystem utils report the original 177GB size. any hints? |
| 05:34.19 | militant | now let's see... video. quickest or most correct way to reconfigure X for my card/etc? |
| 05:34.33 | ansong | militant: dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 05:34.41 | ansong | militant: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:34.57 | militant | ahh rad. k |
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| 05:36.36 | militant | i'm not using xorg |
| 05:36.40 | scx | Anybody knows what is that of www22 and www99 ? |
| 05:36.42 | Vasistha | ansong: have you rebooted yet? |
| 05:36.44 | militant | i guess not anyway |
| 05:37.28 | Vasistha | scx: web servers can use whatever they want as a prefix, e.g., I have a web page at david9.freepgs.com ... it may as well be www99.freepgs.com or whatever |
| 05:37.37 | amphi | ansong: rebooted yet? |
| 05:37.49 | ansong | Vasistha: yes. the original os (windows xp) and linux report the same |
| 05:38.10 | scx | Vasistha: like something.debian.org _ |
| 05:38.14 | scx | ? |
| 05:39.14 | Vasistha | ansong: I'm wondering if this is an issue where the file system -- maybs it's ext3? the superblock is not aware of the expanded size? (I'm not certain of the correct terminology here) |
| 05:39.24 | Vasistha | scx: sure. I wouldn't think anything of it. |
| 05:39.55 | scx | ansong: looks like you would like to use partimage |
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| 05:41.32 | scx | Vasistha: Well Americanexpress.com uses www22 so I wondered if there is a diferent thing in the application layer |
| 05:42.20 | scx | ansong: was the disk damaged? if not why to use dd rescue? |
| 05:43.03 | ansong | scx: there was some initial damage to the source disk, it appears to have been corrected but why take chances. also, dd_rescue is faster than dd |
| 05:43.36 | abonilla_ | anyone that might want to help me with the postgresql part? |
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| 05:44.03 | r4nge | when login through ssh, where is the conf setting that would eliminate the printing of the ip/hostname in "user@ip/host password: " it prints the servers ip then once user finishes logging in it prints the hostname which is what i want |
| 05:44.08 | ansong | Vasistha: the fs being resized is actually ntfs. |
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| 05:44.32 | Vasistha | scx: I don't think the use of a subdomain indicates anything in the application layer, but I'm really no expert |
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| 05:45.08 | Vasistha | ansong: oh, I don't think there are any free tools that can resize ntfs like that. A non-free tool like partition magic *might* be able to do that |
| 05:45.09 | DawnLight | i've asked in kde "can i make a list of programs to open on startup?" and was recommended autostart which isn't in the repo. is there a similar thing in the repo? |
| 05:45.36 | Vasistha | DawnLight: autostart is a directory, it's not a package. |
| 05:45.59 | Vasistha | DawnLight: ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
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| 05:46.42 | Timmy | What package provides lspci? |
| 05:46.55 | scx | ansong: FS damage? or HD physical damage? |
| 05:47.18 | \amethyst | Timmy: pciutils |
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| 05:47.24 | scx | Timmy: apt-get search lspci |
| 05:48.10 | hark | apt-file rather |
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| 05:49.44 | Vasistha | ahh, I've just finished going through all my installed packages, and marking almost everything that could be, as automatically installed. *warm feeling of relaxation* :D |
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| 05:50.42 | zinx | Vasistha: now you just have to remember to use aptitude install instead of apt-get install |
| 05:51.05 | Vasistha | zinx: yeah, I've already been doing that for some time, so the time was ripe to do the marking! |
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| 05:53.10 | Vasistha | hark: how big is the database that apt-file update will download? Of course it depends which sources I have ... but etch main contrib non-free iprobably represents 95% |
| 05:54.31 | ansong | Vasistha: those tools do exist, and i've had better luck with qtparted in the past than partition magic, but for some reason re-doing the whole operation worked this time. |
| 05:54.36 | ansong | weird |
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| 05:55.04 | Vasistha | ansong: heh, well, that's cool. playing with ntfs.... scary :P of course the support only gets better and better |
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| 05:56.08 | ansong | scx: it was a bad sector. the customer lost several gigs of home movies but that was it |
| 05:56.09 | scx | oh |
| 05:56.16 | ansong | not sure why he lost the contents of two files from 1 bad sector, but i can't argue with the facts |
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| 05:56.54 | picard | ... |
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| 05:57.29 | dirkson | Hey all. Stupid question: I'm running the kernel package linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 . Is this correct for a pentium D? Should I be running a kernel package with "smp" in the name somewhere? |
| 05:57.30 | hark | Vasistha: around 25 megs or so |
| 05:58.00 | hark | no, it includes that |
| 05:58.14 | Wyzard | dirkson: All Debian's kernels (on x86, at least) are SMP nowadays; there's no separate -smp variant |
| 05:58.18 | ansong | dirkson: it'll see if you've got dual-core and come up right |
| 05:58.23 | zinx | dirkson: you may want p4, but 686 should work fine |
| 05:58.30 | Wyzard | dirkson: but you don't actually need SMP unless it's a multi-core or hyperthreaded processor |
| 05:58.43 | zinx | Wyzard: Pentium D is dual-core |
| 05:58.53 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 05:59.15 | dirkson | Wyzard, Well, the pentium D /is/ a multi-core processor. |
| 05:59.18 | ansong | zinx: i don't think they all are. i've got a pentium d (820?) that i could swear is single core at the office |
| 05:59.34 | dirkson | Oh, well, maybe : ) |
| 05:59.46 | zinx | ansong: the 820 is definitely dual core. just built a machine with it. |
| 06:00.12 | zinx | ansong: afaik, the "D" means dual core |
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| 06:00.27 | picard | Q means? |
| 06:00.49 | xerophyte | why is this not working grep '[noshell|nologin]' /etc/passwd ?? |
| 06:01.05 | dirkson | So, basically, I don't need to worry about it ^.^ |
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| 06:02.17 | picard | indeed |
| 06:03.10 | \amethyst | xerophyte: grep '\(noshell\|nologin\)' or egrep '(noshell|nologin)' |
| 06:03.29 | xerophyte | \amethyst, thx |
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| 06:05.04 | ansong | zinx: maybe i don't have an 820 then |
| 06:05.07 | ansong | !paste |
| 06:05.08 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 06:05.34 | ansong | hmm, pastebin.ca seems down |
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| 06:06.34 | hark | `they're all multi-core afaik |
| 06:06.53 | zinx | ansong: not a Pentium D.. that, or your OS doesn't support both the cores, which is kinda silly |
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| 06:07.04 | niru | hello all |
| 06:07.18 | ansong | zinx: http://paste.uni.cc/13886 running etch |
| 06:07.20 | niru | has anybody tried with tasksel here |
| 06:07.29 | Vasistha | tried what? |
| 06:07.31 | hark | tried what? |
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| 06:08.57 | hark | is this part of your never ending quest to make your own distro? ;) |
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| 06:09.29 | shalamar7 | hi all |
| 06:09.46 | shalamar7 | I am having a prob |
| 06:09.52 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 06:09.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 06:10.25 | Kevin` | what's an easy to use gui wifi manager? |
| 06:10.34 | Kevin` | need something usable by my dad |
| 06:10.56 | hark | network-manager or wifi-radar probably |
| 06:11.05 | ansong | zinx: did you get a chance to view the link? i'm open to any tips! i'd love a dual-core proc |
| 06:11.13 | dirkson | Hey all. I'm getting about 900 FPS using glxgears on an Nvidia GeForce 7300 LE ... This seems slow. An order of magnitude slow. Should I be worried? |
| 06:11.25 | Kevin` | hark will that automatically connect on boot? (or login) |
| 06:11.39 | Kevin` | and save settings like the keys, of course |
| 06:11.44 | shalamar7 | I am setting up a trivial apt repo, but apt insists on retreiving Release.gpg... |
| 06:12.00 | shalamar7 | how can I set the repo as a non-gpg? |
| 06:12.22 | Vasistha | hark: wow, thanks for that tip, this looks like something I should be using |
| 06:12.30 | hark | networok-mmager will when you login to a DE or wm. it needs the clients (nm-applet etc) |
| 06:12.33 | Kevin` | unrelated question: what's the metapackage for xorg gui? |
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| 06:12.48 | hark | wtf, network-manager* |
| 06:13.27 | niru | hark:I wana to add atask in the tasksel |
| 06:13.38 | niru | I added my file in tasks folder |
| 06:14.00 | shalamar7 | Kevin: xorg? |
| 06:14.27 | Kevin` | so "apt-get install xorg && X" will get my a checkered window with a little X in it? |
| 06:14.40 | niru | But I am seeing that even though I am not selecting the task while instllation the packages for that particular task gets installed |
| 06:15.34 | shalamar7 | I almost never use the && operand, what does it do again? |
| 06:15.51 | Kevin` | "and" |
| 06:16.02 | shalamar7 | in bash I mean |
| 06:16.09 | DawnLight | funny, i've changed the layout en_US to the default and poof! the alt-shift group switching stopped working. help? |
| 06:16.12 | Kevin` | same as ;, only it is only run if the first command succeeds |
| 06:16.15 | Vasistha | shalamar7: it means, "if the previous command was successful, then execute the next command as well" |
| 06:16.21 | Kevin` | false && echo "not seen" |
| 06:16.22 | Wyzard | shalamar7: "do this, and if it succeeds, do that as well" |
| 06:16.27 | Kevin` | true && echo "seen" |
| 06:16.37 | shalamar7 | ahhh....\ |
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| 06:18.06 | shalamar7 | well, I don't know about using "X" to start x windows.... I always use startx or just install KDE, but yes, apt-get install xorg should install X |
| 06:18.31 | Kevin` | X just starts the server, it doesn't run anything in it |
| 06:18.42 | Kevin` | (kde, for example) |
| 06:18.50 | shalamar7 | ahhhh... |
| 06:18.58 | Kevin` | waiting for the install to finish now |
| 06:19.15 | shalamar7 | how bout my question? |
| 06:19.27 | Kevin` | repeat please |
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| 06:19.44 | shalamar7 | I am setting up a trivial apt repo |
| 06:20.05 | Kevin` | I have never set up a custom apt repo |
| 06:20.10 | shalamar7 | but apt insit\sts on retrieving Release.gpg |
| 06:20.14 | Vasistha | shalamar7: have you considered just using dpkg-scanpackages, or do you need something more advanced than that? |
| 06:20.17 | shalamar7 | insists |
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| 06:20.31 | Vasistha | shalamar7: my comment might be ... irrelevant |
| 06:20.48 | Kevin` | I don't really know how apt works other then it installs .debs and handles dependencies |
| 06:20.50 | shalamar7 | no I need just something really simple |
| 06:20.50 | Kevin` | :) |
| 06:21.00 | shalamar7 | :)\ |
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| 06:21.41 | shalamar7 | I just need apt to not demand Release.gpg from a local repo |
| 06:22.10 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 06:22.12 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 06:22.27 | Kevin` | ouch. |
| 06:22.30 | shalamar7 | heheheh |
| 06:22.40 | jetscreamer | whoa |
| 06:23.41 | shalamar7 | maybe more detail will help... I am setting this up so I can use cdebootstrap to setup experimental boot configs |
| 06:24.08 | shalamar7 | so I can't just ise dpkg |
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| 06:24.11 | shalamar7 | use |
| 06:25.18 | shalamar7 | jetscreamer staggers around with a dazed look |
| 06:25.22 | nomi | i'm looking for a recommendation for an app to help me manage all my ssh hosts. Under windows I used SecureCRT which had a nice "phonebook" of sorts, but under linux/debian all I get is a command line client. I need something that can manage all the IP's and obscure ports in a nice intuitive interface. anyone, please? :) |
| 06:25.26 | shalamar7 | :) |
| 06:25.58 | shalamar7 | have'n't a clue |
| 06:26.16 | \amethyst | nomi: is tab-completion intuitive enough for you? |
| 06:26.36 | \amethyst | well, I guess bash-completion doesn't remember usernames, so that might be limited |
| 06:26.38 | nomi | tab-completion doesn't help remember host ip's or port numbers |
| 06:26.42 | Kevin` | nomi I just use /etc/hosts, along with public keys of course |
| 06:26.51 | Kevin` | so "ssh server5" will do something |
| 06:26.58 | shalamar7 | but can anyone help with my problem? |
| 06:27.12 | \amethyst | bash-completion will remember IPs, I don't knwo about host numbers. It looks in your .ssh/known_hosts file |
| 06:27.12 | nomi | ya, but i have obscure ports, and clients who dont want keys installed |
| 06:27.33 | \amethyst | putty? |
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| 06:27.55 | nomi | really? i thought putty was a win app, i'll check it out |
| 06:28.07 | \amethyst | It's available for Linux too |
| 06:28.23 | nomi | thx |
| 06:28.50 | shalamar7 | anyone familiar with using cdebootstrap |
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| 06:30.17 | shalamar7 | guess not |
| 06:30.20 | Kevin` | anyone who doesn't allow ssh keys really doesn't know the security advantages IMO |
| 06:30.37 | Kevin` | I have used cdebootstrap, but again, I just use it |
| 06:30.50 | Kevin` | tends to not work cross-arch though |
| 06:30.53 | Kevin` | which is annoying |
| 06:31.16 | shalamar7 | hwen u use it, do u use a remote host or a local repo |
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| 06:33.18 | shalamar7 | Kevin? |
| 06:34.59 | \amethyst | Kevin`: As a sysadmin, there are valid reasons: you can't control what they use as their passphrase |
| 06:35.30 | \amethyst | Kevin`: then again, it's still more secure than a password that's written down in a file somewhere |
| 06:35.42 | Kevin` | \amethyst I do not consider that a valid reason to disable it completely. |
| 06:35.58 | \amethyst | Kevin`: yeah, ideally you'd require both a password and a key |
| 06:36.12 | Kevin` | if I had to use a password for everything like that, it WOULD be written down in a file somewhere |
| 06:36.17 | Kevin` | or it would be a crappy password |
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| 06:36.44 | Kevin` | as is, I have the orig passwords well chosen and written in a secure location, and use keys for everything after choosing the password |
| 06:36.48 | \amethyst | I keep my file encrypted :) |
| 06:37.15 | \amethyst | since you do need passwords for some things |
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| 06:38.06 | DawnLight | are there gui package managers in the repo excluding synca-whats-it'-sname and kpackage and the gnome one? |
| 06:39.04 | jetscreamer | muhahahahaaaaaa |
| 06:39.07 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 06:39.08 | dpkg | [dselect] a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
| 06:39.18 | jetscreamer | use aptitude |
| 06:39.25 | jetscreamer | it has a 'gui' |
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| 06:40.15 | DawnLight | i like apti! |
| 06:40.32 | litage | in kdesvn, when you right-click on a file, what's the difference between "Diff local changes" and "Diff against HEAD"? |
| 06:40.54 | \amethyst | litage: Depends on what branch you're in |
| 06:41.05 | \amethyst | litage: If you're editing HEAD they'd be the same |
| 06:41.07 | DawnLight | it's very good also, with it's dependency management. much respect |
| 06:41.55 | \amethyst | litage: But if your working copy is based on a different version, "Diff against HEAD" would also include the changes between that version and HEAD |
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| 06:42.17 | \amethyst | litage: At least, that's what I assume from the descriptions; I haven't used kdesvn |
| 06:42.20 | litage | \amethyst: makes sense. thanks for that explanation |
| 06:43.58 | cableroy | hi, i upgraded from modsecurity 1.9 to 2, but it wont start, no make errors, module installed and should be loaded |
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| 06:45.14 | Zorkmid25 | youre all fags |
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| 06:47.58 | blenna_unix | i can play wav files but the system sound won't play. ideas? |
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| 06:49.36 | suppaman | hi |
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| 06:50.26 | moparisthebest | does anyone know anything about the TCP congestion control plugins? |
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| 06:50.37 | moparisthebest | for example, how they work, and/or how one would go about writing a new one? |
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| 06:51.14 | suppaman | I can't get dhcp server to run |
| 06:51.15 | wols_ | moparisthebest: imho wrong channel and wrong time of day too :) |
| 06:51.27 | suppaman | it keeps saying that I have to enter a subnet for eth1 |
| 06:51.30 | DizZy | hi there |
| 06:51.36 | suppaman | here's my config file http://rafb.net/p/prTb2b60.html |
| 06:51.43 | cafuego_ | suppaman: Well, I suggest you do, then. |
| 06:51.54 | moparisthebest | well it has to do with the linux kernel, and Im running debian wols_ :P |
| 06:51.56 | suppaman | cafuego_: I will |
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| 06:52.03 | moparisthebest | but it is probably the wrong time of day I suppose :) |
| 06:52.20 | moparisthebest | i just cant find anything on google about writing your own congestion control algorithim :S |
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| 06:52.40 | suppaman | I mean my dhcpd.conf is very minimalist |
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| 06:52.45 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 06:53.17 | blenna_unix | i can play wav files but the system sound won't play. ideas? |
| 06:53.39 | suppaman | I got this errore "No subnet declaration for eht1 (0.0.0.0). Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment to which interface eht1 is attached." |
| 06:53.43 | suppaman | error |
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| 06:54.21 | perlmonkey | i have a longstanding issue with my server not mounting the raid array, even tho there is an entry in my mtab (/dev/md0 /home ext2 rw 0 0) does anyone have any ideas why this is being ignored? |
| 06:54.36 | wols_ | suppaman: use dnsmasq (imho) |
| 06:54.59 | Kevin` | perlmonkey mtab is used to determine what's currently moutned, you do NOT edit yourself usually |
| 06:55.06 | Kevin` | perlmonkey mounts are in /etc/fstab |
| 06:55.07 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 06:55.12 | wols_ | perlmonkey: mtab is generated dynamically. you don't put anything in there |
| 06:55.13 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 06:55.19 | perlmonkey | i screwed up |
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| 06:55.27 | wols_ | yes you did :) |
| 06:55.32 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 06:55.47 | wols_ | suppaman: is this for a NAT router or why do you need a dhcp server? |
| 06:56.29 | perlmonkey | i have an entry in fstab also (dev/md0 /home ext3 defaults 0 0) which must be being ignored, as I always have to mount manually. any ideas? |
| 06:56.45 | perlmonkey | ext3 could be the problem eh? cant do that on raid I don't think? |
| 06:56.52 | Kevin` | perlmonkey check that the raid array is activated before fstab is parsed |
| 06:57.01 | Kevin` | you can use ext3 on raid |
| 06:57.05 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 06:57.16 | DizZy | 'c |
| 06:57.18 | DizZy | oops |
| 06:57.22 | perlmonkey | how do I check the raid is activated tho before fstab, that sounds tricky |
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| 06:58.07 | Kevin` | read text files? :) |
| 06:58.13 | perlmonkey | also, since I have been using ext2 now (must have defaulted) I can't mount using ext3 next time? |
| 06:58.22 | Silvester | dobro jutro |
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| 06:58.44 | DizZy | Silvester: ahoj |
| 06:58.46 | Kevin` | perlmonkey that could possibly cause problems, why not change it back to ext3? |
| 06:59.06 | Kevin` | perlmonkey USING it as ext2 would not cause problems |
| 06:59.06 | wols_ | perlmonkey: you can. tune2fs |
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| 06:59.21 | Kevin` | having it BE ext2 and trying to mount as ext3, I suspect, would cause an error |
| 06:59.23 | perlmonkey | oh then maybe I should leave it as ext2 eh |
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| 06:59.32 | Kevin` | change it to ext3 |
| 06:59.41 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 06:59.42 | Kevin` | journalling is worth changing a number in fstab |
| 06:59.46 | wols_ | no you should not. ext3 is superior |
| 06:59.58 | Kevin` | tune2fs -j /dev/whatever, I believe, to add the journal |
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| 07:00.08 | perlmonkey | ok thanks |
| 07:01.02 | perlmonkey | I wish it would mount by itself, its annoying |
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| 07:02.59 | perlmonkey | the raid is not like a regular hdd tho eh, it has to be initialised and that must happen after the fstab is loaded |
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| 07:04.32 | perlmonkey | everyday I get this e-mail: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: error: exim4-base:8 unknown user 'Debian-exim' |
| 07:04.34 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 07:05.17 | DizZy | what crap in my dmesg: |
| 07:05.18 | DizZy | ------------[ cut here ]------------ |
| 07:05.18 | DizZy | kernel BUG at mm/rmap.c:522! |
| 07:05.18 | DizZy | invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] |
| 07:05.18 | DizZy | SMP |
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| 07:05.37 | perlmonkey | oops |
| 07:06.39 | perlmonkey | i suspect he regrets doing that now |
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| 07:08.26 | suppaman | wols_: sorry was afq |
| 07:08.46 | suppaman | wols_: I have a router that I want to connect to eth1 |
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| 07:09.18 | suppaman | wols_: the little bastard is working on dhcp by default so I cannot configure it unless I feed it an ip address |
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| 07:09.29 | perlmonkey | away for quickie |
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| 07:10.50 | litage | i was under the impression that there are 2 different ATI drivers: one that's open-source and built by the FOSS community, and one that's closed-source and released by ATI. is this correct? |
| 07:10.56 | perlmonkey | mysterious shit happens on my server |
| 07:13.11 | suppaman | wols_: but I've already installed dhcpd, is dnsmasq easier ? |
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| 07:13.35 | perlmonkey | whats the significance of # in filenames |
| 07:13.36 | suppaman | litage: that's what I got |
| 07:14.01 | perlmonkey | i wanna rm some file from lost+found |
| 07:14.16 | litage | suppaman: isn't that the same driver as what's available in the non-free apt repository? |
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| 07:16.04 | suppaman | I don't know |
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| 07:16.54 | litage | suppaman: i think it is |
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| 07:17.45 | litage | suppaman: i just found out about this package: xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 07:18.24 | suppaman | ok I solved |
| 07:18.39 | suppaman | I should have written "eth1" instead of "eht1" |
| 07:18.44 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 07:18.55 | suppaman | litage: again I don't really know, my box hasn't even got a monitor |
| 07:19.28 | litage | perlmonkey: Debian has a daily cron job that notifies you if there are any files in any lost+found directories... |
| 07:19.54 | perlmonkey | for sure, im getting email from it daily its bugging me |
| 07:19.58 | suppaman | but the lil bast isn't geteting its ip address... |
| 07:20.08 | suppaman | getting |
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| 07:20.51 | litage | perlmonkey: do you know why files are being put in your lost+found dirs? |
| 07:21.03 | perlmonkey | suppaman: what's your entry in network/interfaces look like for eth1? |
| 07:21.09 | perlmonkey | should be: iface eth1 inet dhcp |
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| 07:21.28 | perlmonkey | assuming your ip is being assigned by dhcp |
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| 07:22.14 | perlmonkey | litage: i have absolutely no clue, its one file from ages ago and I dont think it's anything important as its on a spare partition only used for backup purposes |
| 07:22.58 | perlmonkey | suppaman: above that line, you want: auto eth0 |
| 07:23.04 | litage | perlmonkey: a new copy appears every day? |
| 07:23.36 | scx | dpkg: sleep |
| 07:23.37 | dpkg | hmm... sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk* |
| 07:24.04 | perlmonkey | litage: that's a good question, I assumed it was the same copy! I would like to delete it and see if it comes back tmw, but I can't rm it |
| 07:24.19 | litage | perlmonkey: what's the file's ownership and perms? |
| 07:24.32 | scx | .me really loves dokg |
| 07:24.57 | suppaman | perlmonkey: auto ?? |
| 07:24.58 | perlmonkey | litage: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2004-10-26 20:22 #143374 |
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| 07:25.13 | suppaman | perlmonkey: I'm configuring dhcp server on eth1 |
| 07:25.15 | litage | perlmonkey: what're the contents? |
| 07:25.28 | perlmonkey | suppaman: sorry, ignore last comment |
| 07:25.47 | suppaman | in what file log can I see what's doing dhcpd ? |
| 07:26.53 | perlmonkey | litage: I'm not even sure, it looks like a folder, but when I cd it just takes me to root dir?! |
| 07:27.13 | perlmonkey | opening in vi reveals nothing |
| 07:27.44 | litage | perlmonkey: run /usr/bin/file on it. what does that spit out? |
| 07:27.48 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 07:29.52 | perlmonkey | litage: file doesn't seem to like it, I'm sure it's a directory |
| 07:30.35 | perlmonkey | scx: many thanks, just what i need :=] |
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| 07:31.07 | litage | perlmonkey: ``test -d /path/to/lost+found/#143374; echo $?'' wil tell you if it's a valid directory |
| 07:31.23 | perlmonkey | pew |
| 07:31.25 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 07:31.46 | perlmonkey | it returned 0, false? |
| 07:31.57 | litage | 0 means success |
| 07:31.58 | suppaman | ok it works |
| 07:31.58 | lunitik | Green tea? Doesn't that stuff lack caffeine? |
| 07:31.59 | suppaman | bye |
| 07:32.01 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 07:32.07 | litage | perlmonkey: so it's a directory |
| 07:32.19 | perlmonkey | ok we are making progress |
| 07:32.29 | perlmonkey | its strange how i can't cd to it tho eh |
| 07:32.52 | litage | perlmonkey: what does ``/bin/rmdir -v /path/to/lost+found/#143374; echo $?'' spit out? |
| 07:33.20 | perlmonkey | 0 again |
| 07:33.29 | litage | perlmonkey: is the dir still there? |
| 07:33.39 | perlmonkey | its gone! :D |
| 07:33.51 | litage | hooray |
| 07:33.58 | perlmonkey | woohoo thanks |
| 07:34.03 | litage | np |
| 07:34.30 | perlmonkey | do you know why this is always included in the email "error: exim4-base:8 unknown user 'Debian-exim'" |
| 07:34.53 | perlmonkey | im not sure why a user should disappear?! this started a while ago for no reason |
| 07:35.16 | litage | perlmonkey: "for no reason" doesn't exist. there's ALWAYS a reason =P |
| 07:35.24 | perlmonkey | :-] |
| 07:35.27 | litage | perlmonkey: do you have any exim packages installed? |
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| 07:36.03 | perlmonkey | I have exim4 |
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| 07:36.37 | Ramattack | hi |
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| 07:36.48 | lkthomas | guys, does ICH5 support SATAII and NCQ ? |
| 07:36.51 | litage | perlmonkey: i think exim4 requires the user "Debian-exim" |
| 07:37.04 | perlmonkey | ok perhaps I should add him |
| 07:37.08 | litage | perlmonkey: try reinstalling exim4: apt-get install --reinstall exim4 |
| 07:37.14 | perlmonkey | ah ok |
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| 07:37.39 | litage | perlmonkey: i wouldn't try creating the user manually, as it likely requires special settings (eg home dir) |
| 07:37.41 | perlmonkey | oh no! |
| 07:37.52 | perlmonkey | it says it wants to remove my beloved postfix |
| 07:37.56 | perlmonkey | i cant have that |
| 07:37.56 | Ramattack | a proccess set in inittab at the end shouldn't be killed from any console or tty with kill isn't it? |
| 07:38.30 | litage | perlmonkey: why are you running exim4 and postfix? |
| 07:39.00 | perlmonkey | that's a good question, I dont think exim4 is running, the files i found earlier must be from a previous installation? i have postfix |
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| 07:39.20 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 07:39.36 | litage | perlmonkey: do you want exim4 installed? |
| 07:39.38 | lkthomas | would it be a problem if I plug in SATAII drive into SATAI chipset ? |
| 07:39.53 | perlmonkey | no way, i want to keep postfix |
| 07:40.10 | litage | perlmonkey: apt-get remove --purge exim4 |
| 07:40.20 | Ramattack | perlmonkey is that postfix installed via apt? |
| 07:40.23 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 07:40.31 | Ramattack | ok then |
| 07:40.38 | perlmonkey | Package exim4 is not installed, so not removed |
| 07:40.56 | Ramattack | that's anybody know it? if something is called from inittab is not possible to stop it= |
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| 07:40.58 | Ramattack | ¿? |
| 07:41.00 | perlmonkey | so why am i getting emails about exim4 eh, weird |
| 07:41.10 | litage | perlmonkey: what does this command return?: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*exim*' | grep ^ii |
| 07:41.44 | perlmonkey | just returns a new line, nothing else |
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| 07:42.43 | litage | Ramattack: if "respawn" was specified beside the command you want to stop, you're out of luck. you can kill the current process, but a new one will be started immediately afterwards |
| 07:42.59 | litage | perlmonkey: so you don't have any exim-related packages installed |
| 07:43.05 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 07:43.39 | perlmonkey | the subject in email is: Cron <root@magnia> test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 07:43.59 | Sazpaimon_ | how would i know if my kernel has xfs quota support? |
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| 07:44.23 | litage | perlmonkey: what's in /etc/cron.daily/ ? |
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| 07:44.42 | litage | Sazpaimon_: did you compile it yourself? |
| 07:44.49 | Sazpaimon_ | no |
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| 07:45.01 | Sazpaimon_ | at least probably not |
| 07:45.11 | Sazpaimon_ | it came from an image from my hosting company |
| 07:45.26 | perlmonkey | litage: In email, says: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: error: exim4-base:8 unknown user 'Debian-exim' run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 |
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| 07:45.30 | litage | Sazpaimon_: can you get the source for it from your hosting company? |
| 07:45.47 | Sazpaimon_ | probably not |
| 07:46.00 | litage | Sazpaimon_: ask your hosting company then |
| 07:46.02 | perlmonkey | litage: in /etc/cron.daily is exim4-base |
| 07:46.08 | Sazpaimon_ | uname -a gives me 2.6.16.33-061227b |
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| 07:46.26 | litage | perlmonkey: what does this command output?: dpkg -S /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base |
| 07:46.55 | perlmonkey | litage: dpkg -S /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base |
| 07:46.59 | perlmonkey | :-| |
| 07:47.05 | litage | perlmonkey: ? |
| 07:47.11 | perlmonkey | oops |
| 07:47.30 | perlmonkey | exim4-base: /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base |
| 07:47.45 | litage | perlmonkey: what does this command output?: dpkg -l exim4-base |
| 07:48.05 | perlmonkey | eek |
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| 07:48.22 | perlmonkey | rc exim4-base 4.52-1 support files for all exim MTA (v4) packages |
| 07:48.47 | litage | perlmonkey: do you know what that "rc" at the beginning means? |
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| 07:50.11 | perlmonkey | it doesnt make much sense |
| 07:50.27 | lunitik | Remaining Configuration |
| 07:50.34 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 07:50.41 | perlmonkey | from removed eh |
| 07:50.53 | lunitik | That's how I remember anyways... means you need to purge still... |
| 07:51.01 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 07:51.04 | litage | perlmonkey: yeah. "r" means the package is removed. "c" means its config files are still on your FS |
| 07:51.23 | litage | perlmonkey: you need to purge the config files with /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 07:51.30 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 07:52.27 | perlmonkey | yes exactly |
| 07:52.33 | Ramattack | que hacen los parametros SV:123456 en el inittab? |
| 07:52.37 | Ramattack | sorry |
| 07:52.42 | lunitik | uhh... spanish? |
| 07:52.53 | lunitik | ~es |
| 07:53.05 | apt | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 07:53.05 | Ramattack | what do the parameters SV:123456 on inittab? sorry lol |
| 07:53.23 | Ramattack | I talk english too |
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| 07:53.46 | Ramattack | would you know this please? |
| 07:53.59 | Ramattack | or how to set a service to start from inittab? |
| 07:54.19 | DawnLight | i've looked for it in the manuales and i can't seem to find it. how do i permanently (surviving reboot) change the locale of a user? dpkg-reconfigure is only available to root. |
| 07:54.26 | litage | Ramattack: man inittab |
| 07:54.36 | perlmonkey | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove exim4 which isn't installed. :-/ |
| 07:55.10 | Ramattack | ok let's take a look again although I haven't seen nothing before... now slower... one moment |
| 07:55.53 | lunitik | DawnLight: have the users bash and xsession define 'export $LOCALE=whatever' etc, anything that seems applicable via 'env' command |
| 07:55.59 | litage | perlmonkey: wrong package |
| 07:56.05 | litage | perlmonkey: you want to purge exim4-base |
| 07:56.06 | perlmonkey | oops |
| 07:56.12 | perlmonkey | of course! |
| 07:57.36 | perlmonkey | woohoo its purged |
| 07:58.05 | perlmonkey | I think the housekeeping is completed, thanks litage :D |
| 07:58.34 | perlmonkey | hopefully should be the last e-mail I get |
| 07:59.26 | litage | perlmonkey: no problem |
| 07:59.55 | DawnLight | lunitik, is there a gui to handle this that you know of? |
| 07:59.57 | lunitik | One of the stranger choices really, not everyone requires one... but still, I thought you couldn't get rid of it? |
| 08:00.00 | litage | lunitik: it wasn't installed. the config files just hadn't been purged |
| 08:00.24 | lunitik | DawnLight: your desktop of choice should be able to set it, yes... |
| 08:00.50 | lunitik | litage: I'm referring to the statement 'should be the last e-mail I get' |
| 08:00.52 | litage | DawnLight: can you not set the appropriate environment variables to the desired locale? |
| 08:00.58 | litage | lunitik: ah |
| 08:01.39 | Ramattack | ok thanks mates I know that wanted to know... |
| 08:01.42 | Ramattack | bye! |
| 08:02.09 | DawnLight | i don't know how to manually do it, litage. i'll try the kde way now |
| 08:02.30 | DawnLight | thanks lunitik and litage |
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| 08:02.56 | lunitik | DawnLight: I told you how to do it the manual way... |
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| 08:03.49 | Ramattack | sorry mates one only more question |
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| 08:04.10 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 08:04.28 | Ramattack | in an script svscan /service 2>&1 what does 2>&1? |
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| 08:04.55 | Axehat | ugh... |
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| 08:05.21 | litage | Ramattack: 2 is the file descriptor for STDERR. 1 is the file descriptor for STDOUT. 2>&1 redirects STDOUT to STDERR |
| 08:05.33 | litage | ack, backwards |
| 08:05.39 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 08:05.43 | litage | Ramattack: 2>&1 redirects STDERR to STDOUT |
| 08:06.10 | Ramattack | and what are sterr and stdout? |
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| 08:06.21 | litage | Ramattack: what process that's being supervised by svscan are you wanting to stop? |
| 08:06.31 | Ramattack | anyone |
| 08:06.48 | Ramattack | it's all ok but I was taking a look here to some scripts |
| 08:07.59 | Ramattack | and have seen sometimes this scripts finish with & other ones 2>&1 |
| 08:08.22 | Ramattack | and I'm wondering what is sterr and stdout lol |
| 08:08.38 | liable | Ramattack: stderr is error messages, stdout is normal output messages, 2>&1 gives you both to stdout |
| 08:09.11 | perlmonkey | liable appears in bright orange |
| 08:09.41 | perlmonkey | good morning liable |
| 08:09.41 | Ramattack | ok then mates I think I know now what was looking |
| 08:09.41 | liable | perlmonkey: i went a bit crazy with the tanning lotion! :) |
| 08:09.41 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 08:09.41 | Ramattack | bye mates! thanks again |
| 08:10.10 | litage | Ramattack: you can control processes that are being supervised by svscan with the ``svc'' binary. run ``svc -?'' |
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| 08:10.24 | litage | ah well... |
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| 08:10.32 | liable | dont ya hate that :) |
| 08:10.34 | perlmonkey | he's like columbo that guy, he will come back again no doubt "just one more thing" |
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| 08:12.41 | JJ|Laptop | does anyone use cacti/snmp? |
| 08:12.56 | ma3x | one question: I just bought a DVD from a great store. and it reads untill 50 mins and then it stops and loops forever. Is it possible its the DVD discs fault? |
| 08:13.22 | perlmonkey | why not try another disc? |
| 08:13.44 | ma3x | I don't have another DVD disc |
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| 08:14.01 | perlmonkey | cant you try that dvd in another player |
| 08:14.05 | hark | maybe the store's not so great then? ;) |
| 08:14.09 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 08:14.11 | ma3x | no another player too |
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| 08:14.53 | ma3x | what should I do if it's my dvd readers fault? |
| 08:14.53 | perlmonkey | you need to obtain another dvd then, take it back to the store maybe |
| 08:14.57 | ma3x | can I replace it? (laptop) |
| 08:15.20 | perlmonkey | if that loops also, u may have a hardware issue |
| 08:15.21 | DawnLight | lunitik, you did tell me. yet, i don't know how to have users bash or xsession define anything, and i don't know what the env command is. The kde control center developers have made it beutifully simple for me and it worked. my problem was while using hebrew letters with iso-8859-8 with serif or deja vu serif (i can't recall), instead of "-" i got a symbal of a rectangle, so i've changed the font to Yehuda CLM and the hebrew is beut |
| 08:15.21 | DawnLight | wonder what CLM means... |
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| 08:15.44 | liable | ma3x: i would tend to blame the disk first |
| 08:15.57 | hark | don't assume it's a hardware issue first |
| 08:15.58 | perlmonkey | yes, dvds can be fickle eh |
| 08:16.05 | perlmonkey | even dust and finger prints can cause probs |
| 08:16.13 | ma3x | liable: I mean does it often happen that you buy a disc and its faulty? |
| 08:16.26 | lunitik | DawnLight: yay |
| 08:16.28 | perlmonkey | its happened to me |
| 08:16.52 | ma3x | perlmonkey: I mean for example you buy 100 discs, how many of those won't probably work |
| 08:16.54 | perlmonkey | cleaning the disc with a non-static cloth often helps with some discs |
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| 08:17.19 | liable | ma3x: havent bought one, but yeah, i would blame the disk before the drive, run the disk again, if it stops in the same spot. |
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| 08:17.35 | perlmonkey | oh i dont burn dvd discs, only regular cdr, but not many fail, its rare |
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| 08:18.00 | saxo | hello is there anyway to recover some mysql databases that debconf deleted ? |
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| 08:18.17 | liable | ma3x: disk==$20 new drive ==$$100 at least usually (more for laptop drives |
| 08:18.22 | liable | ) |
| 08:19.04 | DawnLight | hmm... it seems that openoffice, since its java, doens't subscribe to my system fonts settings. anyone knows how i change the fonts there? |
| 08:19.13 | perlmonkey | if a pre-recorded dvd doesnt play the first thing to do is take it back to shop and get them to look at it |
| 08:20.08 | kintaro0e | hi guys..how can i see the size of a folder..is df can do this? |
| 08:20.27 | perlmonkey | ls -sh |
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| 08:20.48 | ma3x | liable: you're right |
| 08:21.43 | perlmonkey | kintaro0e: include folder or path after the command, i.e. ls -sh /home/usr |
| 08:21.45 | liable | ma3x: you really dont have another dvd in the house? |
| 08:21.47 | ma3x | liable: the thing is when you return back the disc, they sell it again to some other customer |
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| 08:22.02 | ma3x | liable: nope, I never had any DVD players |
| 08:22.13 | liable | ma3x: thats the next costomers problem, also, some drives are fussier than others |
| 08:22.21 | liable | customers* |
| 08:22.48 | hark | um, du -sh |
| 08:23.13 | liable | .me heads to the pizza shop |
| 08:23.21 | liable | bleh |
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| 08:23.56 | perlmonkey | pizzaaa |
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| 08:24.20 | ma3x | hehe |
| 08:25.03 | perlmonkey | ma3x: snap the disc in half after they refund you? |
| 08:25.27 | cydork | lunitik: you dont want liable's pizza.. it has pineapples on it :P |
| 08:25.43 | lunitik | Pineapple and ham is a decent flavor! |
| 08:25.48 | perlmonkey | and hairy fishes? |
| 08:25.53 | ma3x | perlmonkey: how can I do that? They take it from me before they give me the money back |
| 08:26.00 | lunitik | A pizza without meat... it just doesn't qualify |
| 08:26.08 | perlmonkey | they usually leave it on the counter |
| 08:26.30 | ma3x | pineapple and ham? |
| 08:26.32 | ma3x | haven't tried that yet |
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| 08:26.42 | cydork | lunitik: true! :) |
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| 08:26.57 | perlmonkey | i baked pizza last night without meat on |
| 08:27.11 | lunitik | perlmonkey: then it wasn't really pizza! |
| 08:27.14 | ma3x | perlmonkey: you made the base yourself? |
| 08:27.24 | lunitik | perlmonkey: just bread with stuff on top |
| 08:27.32 | perlmonkey | yes |
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| 08:28.19 | perlmonkey | lunitik: i thought that's what a pizza was |
| 08:28.21 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 08:28.28 | JJ|Laptop | anyone know how to get an snmp daemon runing on debian? |
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| 08:28.57 | ma3x | lunitik you're the man! |
| 08:29.07 | JJ|Laptop | i but my own sausage |
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| 08:29.16 | perlmonkey | you make your own sausages? |
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| 08:29.22 | JJ|Laptop | *buy |
| 08:29.25 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 08:29.25 | bertrand^ | hello, i'm searching some information about the new motd policy on debian (/etc/motd.tail) - is there a vimotd command or something? |
| 08:29.31 | perlmonkey | :-> |
| 08:29.44 | lunitik | JJ|Laptop: I was 14... I didn't have money :/ |
| 08:29.55 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 08:29.57 | perlmonkey | stealing sausages, hehe |
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| 08:30.15 | lunitik | They made me make Cheese Pizza :( |
| 08:30.50 | perlmonkey | thick deep pan pizza or thin and crispy? |
| 08:31.01 | perlmonkey | i prefer thin |
| 08:31.12 | lunitik | deep pan |
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| 08:31.47 | lunitik | I prefer the kind with tons of cheese in the crust... ensures I waste less! |
| 08:32.16 | perlmonkey | breakfast time |
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| 08:33.21 | SlayerXP | meat-free bacon? |
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| 08:33.28 | perlmonkey | soya based |
| 08:33.34 | lkthomas | WTF is meat-free ? |
| 08:33.43 | lkthomas | bacon got meat-free version ? |
| 08:33.44 | perlmonkey | something which contains no meat |
| 08:33.53 | maddash | !fglrx one-liner |
| 08:33.54 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: I use soya substitute in my bacon, that tastes great |
| 08:33.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 08:34.03 | Rydekull | Now, this is annoying, I have Esprimo E5901 with builtin VGA, and a DVI-connector in a AGP-slot(http://tinyurl.com/25pcow) that is recognised as a display connector. The GFX is a Intel 945G(http://tinyurl.com/yqrft2) and im trying to use X with Xinerama. I can create dualhead, direct the output but it wont give me xinerama... Anyone experienced in a case similiar to this? |
| 08:34.21 | perlmonkey | its just like bacon, nice smokey flavour |
| 08:34.25 | lkthomas | heh |
| 08:34.39 | maddash | someone should fix that one-liner because it doesn't work |
| 08:34.47 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: I think I'll stick to soya-substitute based bacon |
| 08:34.54 | scx | !tell me about etch |
| 08:35.07 | perlmonkey | SlayerXP: that's what I have |
| 08:35.16 | maddash | scx: /msg dpkg, it's easier |
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| 08:35.19 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: no, you have soya-based bacon |
| 08:35.30 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: I have soya-substitute based bacon |
| 08:35.33 | perlmonkey | soya substitute, as in a substitute for meat :{P |
| 08:35.46 | SlayerXP | i.e. what you use instead of soya |
| 08:35.51 | perlmonkey | no |
| 08:35.55 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 08:35.58 | SlayerXP | I do, really. |
| 08:36.07 | perlmonkey | soya IS a substitute for meat |
| 08:36.14 | SlayerXP | yes, now read what I'm saying |
| 08:36.21 | perlmonkey | you eat meat |
| 08:36.24 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 08:36.38 | SlayerXP | the fatc it tastes great is a clue that you're doing the right thing |
| 08:36.47 | perlmonkey | whatever |
| 08:37.01 | rastilin | You're right, it all makes sense now. |
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| 08:37.22 | SlayerXP | you use soya as a replacement for meat, I use meat as a replacement for soya |
| 08:37.29 | SlayerXP | thus the harmony of the universe is preserved |
| 08:37.33 | perlmonkey | thats illogical |
| 08:37.41 | perlmonkey | makes no sense |
| 08:37.55 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: neither does replacing meat with soya, you started it. |
| 08:38.03 | perlmonkey | that makes perfect sense |
| 08:38.21 | buu | Only if you're a cow. |
| 08:38.21 | perlmonkey | and is completely logical |
| 08:38.35 | buu | Soya is what Food eats. |
| 08:38.39 | perlmonkey | soya contains more protein than meat and hardly any fat |
| 08:38.50 | maddash | fat is goooood |
| 08:38.51 | perlmonkey | and zero cholestrol |
| 08:38.58 | maddash | fglrx is even better! |
| 08:39.36 | perlmonkey | soya in fact, reduces cholestrol, while meat increases it |
| 08:39.46 | buu | Cholestrol is awesome. |
| 08:40.04 | rastilin | But it tastes like crap, isn't it missing other vitamins? |
| 08:40.39 | perlmonkey | soya protein can be used in many products and many are equally as tasty as meat |
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| 08:41.22 | perlmonkey | you can also get soya milk to replace dairy |
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| 08:41.48 | rastilin | Is that because of artificial flavourings? |
| 08:41.50 | liable | yes, and its full of pesticides usually |
| 08:42.05 | perlmonkey | no soya contains nothing artifical |
| 08:42.13 | perlmonkey | particularly if you buy organic |
| 08:42.15 | rastilin | You speak for all soya? |
| 08:42.17 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: neither do pigs for the most part. |
| 08:42.22 | perlmonkey | generally speaking |
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| 08:42.34 | perlmonkey | SlayerXP: have you seen what pigs eat |
| 08:42.44 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: yes. |
| 08:42.46 | perlmonkey | excrement? |
| 08:42.51 | rastilin | The organically grown stuff is riddled with holes from all the crop pests, it's also smaller. |
| 08:42.56 | SlayerXP | pigs eat pretty much anything |
| 08:42.58 | perlmonkey | rotten dead animals |
| 08:43.14 | perlmonkey | that's then going into your cells in your body |
| 08:43.24 | SlayerXP | yes, the whole jewish not eating pork thing was a direct result of that |
| 08:43.51 | rastilin | The stuff's basically mush by the time it hits my gut anyway, soya is like that beforehand. |
| 08:44.03 | perlmonkey | organic produce is highly regulated, at least here in the UK |
| 08:44.08 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: I've been eating bacon for about 25 years, if not more, i've survived so far. |
| 08:44.26 | perlmonkey | SlayerXP: let's see how well you do in another 25 years time |
| 08:44.29 | rastilin | Almost as much as the major farms, the ones using all the pesticides. |
| 08:44.40 | rastilin | I'll take my chances with the larger farms thanks. |
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| 08:45.17 | perlmonkey | SlayerXP: book your place for the triple heart by-pass early :P |
| 08:45.48 | liable | meat is good and tasty <end of story> |
| 08:46.08 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: i take 6 to 8 hours of exercise per week, and walk several miles each day. |
| 08:46.20 | rastilin | So your solution is to give up eating right in exchange for questionable processed stuff. |
| 08:46.29 | rastilin | Tell me, is it genetically modified? |
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| 08:46.53 | perlmonkey | SlayerXP: that's not gonna save your arteries from clogging up with saturated fat and cholestrol |
| 08:47.14 | SlayerXP | perlmonkey: errm, yes, it is. |
| 08:47.22 | perlmonkey | actually, no it isn't |
| 08:47.26 | SlayerXP | err okay. |
| 08:47.47 | liable | exercise doesnt kill cholesterol |
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| 08:48.18 | perlmonkey | meat is ok in moderation |
| 08:48.29 | SlayerXP | you've made me hungry now |
| 08:48.37 | SlayerXP | afk - getting a bacon sandwich |
| 08:48.48 | liable | hehe |
| 08:48.51 | stew | !tell SlayerXP about away |
| 08:49.02 | stew | this discussion has little chance of going anywhere productive |
| 08:49.10 | bertrand^ | motd |
| 08:49.12 | perlmonkey | it amuses me how people think announcing they're meat to a non-meat eater somehow annoys them |
| 08:49.20 | bertrand^ | oops, sorry :) |
| 08:49.21 | rastilin | 9/10 times it does |
| 08:49.21 | SlayerXP | stew: he knows about away. that's called "humour" |
| 08:49.33 | stew | SlayerXP: yeah, mine was meant as humor as well :) |
| 08:49.38 | SlayerXP | ah right. |
| 08:49.46 | liable | stew: there was no other questions being asked, so, no damage done.. |
| 08:50.23 | scx | How do I see the etch status? |
| 08:50.39 | scx | dpkg search etch |
| 08:51.09 | liable | scx: like the release critical bugs or whatever? |
| 08:51.17 | sep | !release critical |
| 08:51.17 | scx | exact |
| 08:51.21 | liable | scx: suscribe to dda and dwn |
| 08:51.36 | stew | scx: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 08:51.38 | sep | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 08:52.09 | scx | all righ... |
| 08:52.11 | scx | t |
| 08:52.15 | stew | sep: that one is less accurate than the one on ~sesse |
| 08:52.15 | liable | hrm, just ate a whole pizza and still hungry! |
| 08:52.29 | perlmonkey | pizzza |
| 08:52.42 | stew | awesome, there are fewer rc bugs in etch than sarge now |
| 08:52.51 | liable | heh |
| 08:52.55 | rastilin | Anyone ever get the intel 950 to work with 3D acceleration in debian testing? |
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| 08:53.00 | perlmonkey | was it a big pizza? |
| 08:53.01 | liable | release!! |
| 08:53.25 | liable | perlmonkey: big enough, but not enough topping :( |
| 08:53.47 | perlmonkey | that was quick, is the pizza place right by your place |
| 08:54.24 | stew | the last time i left the country, sarge released why i was gone. i'm leaving the country again at the end of the month for 2 weeks, decent chance i'll miss etch too |
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| 08:56.21 | Rydekull | stew: you cant experience it from abroad? |
| 08:56.30 | cydork | sesse shows 39 and bugs.debian.org shows 62? |
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| 08:57.12 | stew | Rydekull: i'll probably be away from the internet |
| 08:57.29 | Rydekull | stew: for two weeks? Bad your timing is bad :P |
| 08:57.34 | liable | you going to siberia? ;) |
| 08:57.35 | cydork | i mean ok sesse's is more updated but difference of 23? |
| 08:57.51 | stew | cydork: sesse's version on people.debian.org is running on the machine that hosts the bts ad it takes advantage of versioning information in the bts |
| 08:58.00 | Rydekull | stew: laptop, three packs of batter and a 3g mobile connect card |
| 08:58.19 | Rydekull | battery* |
| 08:58.20 | cydork | stew: aah ok.. |
| 08:58.20 | stew | Rydekull: sounds like a perfect way to ruin my vacation :) |
| 08:58.56 | Rydekull | stew: it is no vacation without a computer :P |
| 08:59.04 | stew | trust me... it is |
| 08:59.07 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 08:59.18 | perlmonkey | stew wants to switch off for 2 weeks |
| 08:59.21 | stew | if i'm on the internet, my clients will find me and make me work :) |
| 09:00.02 | perlmonkey | thats a good idea, time to relax and destress |
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| 09:00.44 | Rydekull | Im seriously getting insane at this, why wont the stupid xinerama-setup work |
| 09:00.54 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 09:01.14 | perlmonkey | i got probs getting ivtv to work with my new pvr 150 card |
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| 09:01.57 | perlmonkey | the card seems to be working and cat writes mpg to hdd, but nothing is showing in the tv player window, no matter what player I try :-/ |
| 09:02.03 | Paddy_EIRE | !metisse |
| 09:02.18 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 09:02.32 | Paddy_EIRE | is metisse available for debian yet |
| 09:02.42 | stew | Paddy_EIRE: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:02.46 | Paddy_EIRE | k |
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| 09:03.40 | Rydekull | perlmonkey: I have a Esprimo E5901 with a Intel 945G and a ADD2-card(DVI). With this im trying to configure Xinerama. I can have dualhead, I can direct the output to each of the screens individually. But, seemingly I fail on getting them to work in Xinerama. As a extra nail in my eye it works in windows. |
| 09:03.53 | Paddy_EIRE | is it just me or has beryl gotten much faster and more stable |
| 09:04.02 | cydork | Paddy_EIRE: it's just you! |
| 09:04.05 | Paddy_EIRE | lol |
| 09:04.13 | perlmonkey | Rydekull: phew :-( |
| 09:04.23 | Paddy_EIRE | could have sworn it used more mem than this |
| 09:04.53 | perlmonkey | I was about to test my card in Windows, but Im sure it will work as the cat test worked |
| 09:05.12 | Rydekull | perlmonkey: it's really... bugging me :P |
| 09:05.30 | perlmonkey | yeah its a pain, getting new hardware to play in Linux is always a hassle eh |
| 09:05.40 | perlmonkey | i got probs with my new scanner too |
| 09:05.54 | aeronadix | anyone run dual monitors? |
| 09:06.28 | Rydekull | ... gotta be kidding me |
| 09:06.34 | Rydekull | aeronadix: yes, why the metaquestion? |
| 09:06.34 | Paddy_EIRE | what video card would you all recommend for linux, one that basically works right of the bat with no config required |
| 09:06.41 | karsten | aeronadix: Nope. It's a myth. |
| 09:07.04 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Intel's stuff, or ATI, personally. |
| 09:07.14 | Paddy_EIRE | ATI!!! |
| 09:07.32 | perlmonkey | I have an ATI Rage card which worked perfectly first time |
| 09:07.42 | Paddy_EIRE | so not nvidia |
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| 09:08.25 | GreaseMonkey | hey, where do i get svn? i tried "apt-get install svn" but there's nothing there :( |
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| 09:08.47 | simonrvn | subversion |
| 09:08.55 | fireba11 | GreaseMonkey: apt-get install subversion |
| 09:09.01 | GreaseMonkey | ya, thanks for that |
| 09:09.12 | simonrvn | !tell GreaseMonkey -about search |
| 09:09.38 | GreaseMonkey | ok, thanks |
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| 09:10.09 | GreaseMonkey | crap, it's d/ling libc6 |
| 09:10.13 | GreaseMonkey | should i cancel? |
| 09:10.19 | liable | uh |
| 09:10.31 | Paddy_EIRE | why is that so bad |
| 09:10.43 | liable | GreaseMonkey: if its doing that, then you need to do an upgrade anyway.. |
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| 09:10.50 | fireba11 | haha |
| 09:10.52 | Paddy_EIRE | oh |
| 09:11.01 | GreaseMonkey | ok, if i upgrade libc, will it damage my apps? |
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| 09:11.49 | GreaseMonkey | i have /lib/libc-2.3.2.so and /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 09:11.54 | GreaseMonkey | currently installed |
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| 09:19.21 | GreaseMonkey | gonna go sleep, gnight |
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| 09:21.53 | ManuP | !convert fat ext3 |
| 09:22.13 | fireba11 | ManuP: wth are you trying to do ? |
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| 09:22.37 | ManuP | fireba11, want to transform fat32 to ext3 without loose of data. |
| 09:23.04 | ManuP | it is an extern hd |
| 09:23.45 | fireba11 | ManuP: afaik not possible |
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| 09:24.33 | ManuP | fireba11, sure? with patition magic (windows) it was possible to transform eg fat to ntfs without loose of data. |
| 09:24.50 | ManuP | !fat2ext |
| 09:24.50 | fireba11 | ManuP: windows itself can do fat>ntfs |
| 09:25.13 | ManuP | fireba11, okay, could also be. but how do i do in linux? |
| 09:28.22 | ManuP | fireba11, so i have to back-up my exthd, convert fs and move files back? |
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| 09:28.45 | fireba11 | most likely ... never researched much if ther was a way to convert |
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| 09:30.42 | ManuP | argh.. the problem is, i have 20 GB on ext hd and only 5 GB free on pc so this is a problem... |
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| 09:31.14 | ManuP | my linux-partion is only 14GB big... |
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| 09:33.25 | eilker | will 4.5 gb be enouf for debian ? i am going to try it on vmware ... |
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| 09:34.01 | enouf | what!?.. |
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| 09:34.30 | eilker | <enouf> r u here :))) |
| 09:34.47 | eilker | <enouf> at least how many gb do i need ? |
| 09:34.48 | enouf | uh .. duh |
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| 09:35.05 | enouf | eilker: the word you want is enough |
| 09:35.21 | enouf | eilker: need for what? |
| 09:35.31 | eilker | <enouf> yes |
| 09:35.57 | eilker | <enouf> i am going to install debian, i ask for free soace |
| 09:35.57 | Scurz | plop |
| 09:36.04 | eilker | *space |
| 09:36.08 | enouf | eilker: try not to use <nick>, it appears as if you're quoting that nick's statements |
| 09:36.30 | kjhgkjhg | if i JUST rm'ed a file from command line, any way to get it back without a lot of trouble? |
| 09:36.55 | enouf | eilker: well .. a standard desktop install is ~ 1.7GB.. but 5-10 is safe to add stuff .. /msg dpkg ig <-- all info there |
| 09:37.10 | enouf | !undelete |
| 09:37.11 | dpkg | hmm... undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
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| 09:37.43 | eilker | ok i will give 5 gb |
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| 09:38.00 | kjhgkjhg | yeah, screw it, i'd rather download the 10gb's again. |
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| 09:38.12 | seal0 | hello folks |
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| 09:38.31 | seal0 | is anyone here involved with biometrics SoC proposal as a mentor perhaps? |
| 09:38.48 | protocol1 | is there a way to give my network config settings WPA capabilties? |
| 09:38.51 | protocol1 | somehow? |
| 09:39.13 | enouf | eilker: suggest a bit more .. for /tmp files, docs, apps, utils .. whatever .. how about d/l ?? .. where ya going to store any ISOs and whatnot, you can allocate other disk space for that |
| 09:39.25 | lewis2 | anyone know of a web interface for bind? |
| 09:39.28 | protocol1 | it only has a WEP option |
| 09:39.30 | lewis2 | bind9 rather. |
| 09:40.40 | enouf | eilker: and when you convert/burn/encode etc .. you need space .. plus, you always want 20% of drive free, for various reasons, 10% free is cutting it close, and then tasks require shuffling files all around .. mucho HDD thrashing |
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| 09:41.08 | seal0 | protocol1: on the clients side use wpa_supplicant (wpa-psk), and configure properly Ap |
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| 09:41.37 | eilker | enouf> np, now i am gonna install it as third time, after i am gonna buy 250 gb sata, than will do what u say , i am going to change my OS... |
| 09:41.47 | enouf | protocol1: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:41.50 | protocol1 | seal0, wpa_supplicant? |
| 09:42.01 | eilker | enouf: from kubuntu to debian, i will be debian user |
| 09:42.13 | enouf | !congrat eilker |
| 09:42.14 | protocol1 | seal0, you know where I can find that? |
| 09:42.19 | protocol1 | ok |
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| 09:42.33 | eilker | thanx |
| 09:42.35 | seal0 | protocol1: http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/ |
| 09:42.43 | DawnLight | pressing alt+shift doesn't do anything despite it being configured to change the input group. any suggestions? is there something i may be missing? i am configuring it via the control center. i have two languages there and it used to work until i changed their order. note that clicking the system tray icon does change it |
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| 09:43.32 | seal0 | protocol1: which chipset do you have? |
| 09:43.40 | seal0 | protocol1: on wi card? |
| 09:43.44 | enouf | DawnLight: gnome control center? |
| 09:43.59 | enouf | DawnLight: no idea then |
| 09:44.00 | protocol1 | intel bg2200 |
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| 09:45.50 | protocol1 | how do I use wpasupplicant? |
| 09:45.59 | enouf | DawnLight: connection issues? .. heh |
| 09:46.16 | enouf | protocol1: hit the man pages |
| 09:46.36 | enouf | protocol1: and seal0 threw out a pretty cool url too |
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| 09:46.50 | seal0 | protocol1: compile and read documentation, that will be enough. use driver wext |
| 09:47.50 | enouf | seal0: protocol1 there shouldn'y be any need to compile .. or does that card require it? Debian already has wpasupplicant packaged |
| 09:48.22 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can setup a machine to act as a NAT gateway, but relay all requests through a SOCKS proxy on localhost? |
| 09:48.33 | seal0 | enouf: of course..just apt-get it, sorry about that |
| 09:48.43 | enouf | seal0: no worries |
| 09:49.19 | protocol1 | enouf, it has it installed already |
| 09:49.28 | enouf | it? |
| 09:49.39 | protocol1 | when I got to network settings...it only has wep option |
| 09:49.50 | protocol1 | wpasupplicant |
| 09:50.19 | seal0 | protocol1, the packaged drivers (as well as upstream) have dropped wpa support |
| 09:50.28 | protocol1 | Im thinking I should just set my router to WEP |
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| 09:50.36 | seal0 | you'll need to do manual configuration, compiling, and stuff like that |
| 09:50.47 | seal0 | just read teh docs |
| 09:51.20 | enouf | protocol1: apt-get install dlocate ; dlocate wpasupplicant ; man wpa<whatever> |
| 09:51.45 | liable | you need to remove your card from ifaces file if you use network manager |
| 09:51.48 | enouf | !tell protocol1 about wireless |
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| 09:51.57 | lewis2 | bah - any debian packages for bind9 web administration? |
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| 09:52.08 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 09:52.09 | liable | wpasupp has good examples in /usr/share/doc |
| 09:52.13 | protocol1 | well |
| 09:52.14 | enouf | lewis2: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:52.28 | solemnwarning | I need to configure a NAT server that tunnels over a proxy |
| 09:52.38 | protocol1 | I did have it working untill my debian updated packages a few days ago |
| 09:52.54 | protocol1 | now network-manager doesnt show my wireless |
| 09:53.00 | protocol1 | only wired |
| 09:53.03 | enouf | protocol1: install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs |
| 09:53.35 | Paddy_EIRE | hey guys where is the best place to get "Skydome" images for beryl? I already asked in #beryl to no reply |
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| 09:54.25 | lewis2 | enouf: I couldn't find anything other than gforge-dns-bind9. |
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| 09:55.57 | enouf | lewis2: I don't know intimately about any web admin pkgs .. try google, see debian-administration.org |
| 09:56.20 | protocol1 | its not urgent |
| 09:56.37 | protocol1 | but I will troubleshoot this problem some other day |
| 09:56.44 | enouf | !tell protocol1 -about bts |
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| 10:02.30 | ma3x | what is this partition that I have mounted? none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw) |
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| 10:04.36 | MrWup | anyone know a good mirror for apt-get |
| 10:04.36 | MrWup | for some reason mine keeps saying file not found Packages |
| 10:04.36 | MrWup | on a lot of the mirrors i try |
| 10:04.37 | streuner | where do you live? |
| 10:04.41 | MrWup | UK |
| 10:04.48 | petemc | ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 10:04.51 | petemc | works fine here |
| 10:05.00 | Gnea | MrWup: you should install apt-spy |
| 10:05.11 | aixing | does anyone know whether upgrading a server that is normally controlled via plesk will affect the owner being able to access it via plesk afterwards? |
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| 10:05.53 | petemc | aixing: stable? |
| 10:06.39 | petemc | aixing: theres always a chance something could break |
| 10:06.49 | aixing | yes stable |
| 10:07.52 | aixing | I know, and the thing is it's someone I just met and offered to help with setting up Sendmail. the problem is they haven't done any upgrades in a while so sendmail wont install |
| 10:07.57 | aixing | without the upgrade |
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| 10:09.30 | ma3x | I tried to copy DVD with dd but it's very slow and I get too many errors? any idea how to change speed or what to do to avoid those errors? |
| 10:09.32 | liable | i hope you arent giving a stranger ssh sccess to your box |
| 10:09.46 | liable | ma3x: use dvdbackup |
| 10:09.49 | ma3x | I use the command 'dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso conv=noerror' |
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| 10:10.01 | aixing | liable: you asking me? |
| 10:10.07 | liable | aixing: yep |
| 10:10.11 | ma3x | liable: note - they built the dvd disc in a way with a copyright protection |
| 10:10.18 | ma3x | liable: with badblocks fs |
| 10:10.44 | liable | ma3x: if you can read it, dvdbackup should be able to copy it |
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| 10:10.45 | aixing | liable: matter of fact they gave me access to there box: it it were mine I would do the upgrade and worry later:) |
| 10:10.57 | liable | aixing: nice :) |
| 10:10.59 | aixing | s/there/their |
| 10:11.21 | ma3x | liable: I can read it only with mplayer (without the cache option). if I specify cache, it gets stuck |
| 10:11.59 | liable | ma3x: just try it.. its only a very small program to install |
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| 10:12.36 | ma3x | liable: ok... it started reading and copied 100 MBytes, not bad!! |
| 10:13.04 | aixing | liable: on the subject of ISOs wht can I use to mount an ISO image so I dont have to burn it to disk to use? |
| 10:13.05 | liable | then failed? |
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| 10:13.20 | MrWup | hmf |
| 10:13.25 | MrWup | ok thanks |
| 10:13.27 | liable | aixing: mount -o loop |
| 10:13.32 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just heard a piece of music in the radio that I _really_ wanna own. I have found it on a webstore in WMA format - DRM protected of cause. Unfortunately I can't play such files. Is it possible to ie. burn it to a CD and afterwards grap it from there ? |
| 10:13.44 | MrWup | another problem though.... i downloaded asterisk, cd to the asterisk dir when unpacked |
| 10:13.47 | ma3x | liable: nope, still copying.. let's see if it completes the whole. |
| 10:13.50 | MrWup | and type make clean and then make install |
| 10:13.55 | MrWup | and it says "make" command not found |
| 10:14.01 | MrWup | (im a noob btw) |
| 10:14.13 | liable | !b-e MrWup |
| 10:14.13 | dpkg | MrWup: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 10:14.21 | MrWup | ah |
| 10:14.24 | ma3x | liable: anyway after I copy it, how do I create ISO from that folder? dd if=/directory of=foo.iso ? |
| 10:14.34 | liable | ma3x: growisofs |
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| 10:14.50 | liable | ma3x: no need to make the iso, it does it on the fly and burns it |
| 10:15.00 | eilker | i am installing debian, and its setup old about two months, is there any official upgrade guide ? or should i only do apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 10:16.08 | eilker | !upgrade |
| 10:16.09 | dpkg | [upgrade] what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 10:16.24 | eilker | !security |
| 10:16.25 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 10:16.28 | ma3x | liable: I'd still prefer to have it on my hdd in .iso format (dont need to burn it). can you give me a sample command for growisofs |
| 10:16.44 | liable | eilker: unless you are changing from one release to another, dist-upgrade is all you need |
| 10:17.01 | liable | ma3x: then you want mkisofs |
| 10:17.08 | liable | or wodim?? |
| 10:17.24 | liable | the stupid name they changed it too is so hard to remeber |
| 10:17.27 | ma3x | liable: cli example for mkisofs please? |
| 10:17.34 | eilker | liable: yeah . do i ? this setup is etch rc1 |
| 10:18.06 | liable | ma3x: read the man page you lazy shit |
| 10:18.24 | liable | eilker: just upgrade |
| 10:18.45 | liable | ma3x: growisof and mkisofs both have many examples |
| 10:18.56 | GiabboO | morning |
| 10:19.05 | DawnLight | i'm having problems with the nvidia driver that i've installed from nvidia.com so i've decided to use the non-free nvidia driver from the repo. now, befoe i install that, do i want to remove my current driver, and if so, how? |
| 10:19.19 | GiabboO | my etch rules :) |
| 10:19.34 | MrWup | in my sources list i got: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org stable main |
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| 10:19.43 | MrWup | is that right? |
| 10:20.03 | liable | ma3x: new one is genisoimage |
| 10:20.05 | MrWup | cause its saying package not found build-essential, along with various 404 errors on the main Packages file |
| 10:20.11 | solemnwarning | Does anyone know how to configure iptables to redirect NAT requests through a SOCKS proxy? |
| 10:20.18 | solemnwarning | Or a HTTP proxy? |
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| 10:20.35 | tenzing_ | hi ... is there a free lotus domino like system for linux? |
| 10:21.14 | liable | MrWup: paste you sources.list to a pastebot |
| 10:21.14 | lewis2 | anyone know of a apache2 virtualhost web administration package? |
| 10:21.22 | liable | vim |
| 10:22.30 | Kevin` | what's lotus domino do |
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| 10:23.11 | Jemt | !drm |
| 10:23.11 | dpkg | i guess drm is a cool new video card feature in the 2.4 kernel -- http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Restrictions Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp |
| 10:23.33 | Jemt | !drm-playback |
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| 10:23.46 | Jemt | !wma |
| 10:23.47 | dpkg | well, wma is windows media audio file or something of that nature (proprietary Microsoft lossy audio codec), which sucks because I apt say so, or you can play it with vlc (Sarge) or mplayer |
| 10:24.09 | petemc | having fun? |
| 10:24.28 | liable | Jemt: how about /msg so you dont spam us with shit we dont want? :P |
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| 10:25.02 | Jemt | I'll do that |
| 10:25.24 | liable | thanks |
| 10:25.28 | eilker | i am installing debian, i have first 3 cd, but the installer still didnt ask for 2. and 3. cd ?? |
| 10:25.28 | Jemt | np :) |
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| 10:26.16 | DawnLight | eilker, perhaps you didn't select anything that is on that disc |
| 10:26.20 | Jemt | eilker: The installer dosn't stink. I think you have to add the CDs as repositories |
| 10:27.07 | Paddy_EIRE | hey guys I just did "aptitude install kickoff" and everything seemed to install fine, but now where is it |
| 10:27.10 | eilker | jemt: do u know how to add ? deb cd-rom ? |
| 10:27.30 | eilker | Paddy_EIRE> try to run it from console ? |
| 10:27.34 | Paddy_EIRE | k |
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| 10:27.48 | eilker | or alt+F2 |
| 10:27.59 | Paddy_EIRE | command not found |
| 10:28.09 | k-man | is it possible to find out the mac address of a nic on another pc on the network? |
| 10:28.10 | Jemt | eilker: Take a look in /etc/apt/sources.list. You may edit it using 'nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list' |
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| 10:28.38 | Jemt | eilker: I prefer installing things from the internet - do you have a slow connection since you want to use the CDs ? |
| 10:28.58 | PingFloyd | Paddy_EIRE: try dpkg -L kickoff to see where it installed everything |
| 10:28.59 | liable | k-man: tcpdump, arp, wireshark |
| 10:29.03 | petemc | k-man: ping it, then run arp -a |
| 10:29.04 | eilker | Jemt> yes slow, 256 kb adsl, |
| 10:29.11 | ma3x | liable: if I use 'mkisofs -o foo.iso directory' would it be necessary to add -dvd-video ? |
| 10:29.14 | k-man | thanks |
| 10:29.15 | Jemt | eilker: Ah, ok. Good choice then :) |
| 10:29.27 | liable | ma3x: to which bit? |
| 10:29.44 | eilker | btw i am using graphical installer first time, it is good :) |
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| 10:29.55 | eilker | jemt: your speed ? |
| 10:29.59 | k-man | petemc, thanks, worked perfectly |
| 10:30.00 | Paddy_EIRE | PinkFloyd: Package `kickoff' is not installed. but it is |
| 10:30.00 | Jemt | eilker: Yea, it's decent :) |
| 10:30.04 | Jemt | eilker: I got 8 Mbit |
| 10:30.28 | eilker | jemt: i pay about 35 $ for 256 k |
| 10:30.37 | petemc | wanna buy a bridge? |
| 10:30.59 | Jemt | eilker: I pay close to the same :) |
| 10:31.10 | PingFloyd | Paddy_EIRE: check with dpkg -l kickoff |
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| 10:31.21 | liable | -L :) |
| 10:31.25 | eilker | jemt: justice justice justice :D |
| 10:31.28 | PingFloyd | Paddy_EIRE: did you run the install as a user or something? |
| 10:31.32 | Jemt | eilker: Hehe :P |
| 10:31.53 | Jemt | European internet is pretty cheap these days ;) |
| 10:31.55 | Paddy_EIRE | no I installed as root |
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| 10:32.36 | Jemt | eilker: Oh, forgot to mention that the company pays half of the connection - the actual price is about 70 USD |
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| 10:33.00 | eilker | Jemt>one day , internet will be free , and open source data centers :D |
| 10:33.13 | Jemt | eilker: Hehe :p |
| 10:33.26 | PingFloyd | Paddy_EIRE: you can also check /var/log/aptitude to see what happenned |
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| 10:34.06 | eilker | is beryl supported under debian ? |
| 10:34.19 | Paddy_EIRE | PinkFloyd: Im gonna bear that in mind although I think I'll build it from source, I haveno exp with that yet so I may aswell |
| 10:34.28 | liable | eilker: not quite yet |
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| 10:34.36 | Paddy_EIRE | fingers crossed |
| 10:34.41 | liable | eilker: there is unofficial packages though |
| 10:35.12 | PingFloyd | I wouldn't install from source if you don't need to |
| 10:35.25 | Paddy_EIRE | really |
| 10:35.26 | eilker | liable> so that i can try for it |
| 10:35.40 | PingFloyd | it takes some extra work for it to integrate well |
| 10:35.44 | liable | eilker: eh? |
| 10:36.06 | PingFloyd | like with alternatives and the debian menus etc. |
| 10:36.07 | eilker | i mean beryl installation |
| 10:36.59 | liable | eilker: yes, you can try it, but its not in the debian repos yet, there are unofficial packages though |
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| 10:37.29 | Paddy_EIRE | PinkFloyd: is there a good General debian guide for building things from source for newbies |
| 10:37.51 | Paddy_EIRE | PinkFloyd: its just something I must try |
| 10:37.53 | eilker | liable: beryl is not stable yet...btw i found it http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
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| 10:38.10 | liable | eilker: i have been using it for months, its stable enough.. |
| 10:38.50 | MrWup | how do i set the default gateway for a network card and then restart the driver |
| 10:38.51 | MrWup | ? |
| 10:38.59 | Paddy_EIRE | liable: eilker: yeah I have been using this myself for quite a while and was very surprised at the ease of installation |
| 10:39.32 | liable | ma3x: man route |
| 10:39.37 | liable | MrWup: ^^^ |
| 10:39.51 | eilker | Paddy_EIRE> liable: i use it too since 6 months, it works ok, but i think that it is still not stable |
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| 10:39.59 | ma3x | liable: what do you mean to which bit? |
| 10:40.05 | Paddy_EIRE | eilker: no it aint stable |
| 10:40.18 | MrWup | hm? |
| 10:40.38 | liable | ma3x: i didnt understand your question, which bit of the command did you want to add that to? |
| 10:40.45 | Paddy_EIRE | eilker: would it be more or less stable than compiz? |
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| 10:41.23 | liable | no more or less imho, but way more usable irt options |
| 10:41.31 | Paddy_EIRE | yes |
| 10:42.08 | liable | MrWup: man route for adding a gateway to an iface |
| 10:42.23 | eilker | Paddy_EIRE> compiz is more stable, and more boring |
| 10:42.31 | Paddy_EIRE | what about Metisse that looks promising, I ran it a Mandriva One Live cd and it was pretty damn good very usefull |
| 10:42.48 | liable | never heard of it |
| 10:43.23 | Paddy_EIRE | liable: http://www.mandriva.com/projects/metisse/ |
| 10:43.41 | eilker | i have heard about metisse, it comes with mandriva defaulty, installed |
| 10:43.55 | Paddy_EIRE | completely stable and very low mem usage |
| 10:44.07 | Paddy_EIRE | not as fancy though |
| 10:44.50 | Paddy_EIRE | there is a metisse repo for ubuntu, I wonder if it would work for debian |
| 10:44.57 | eilker | Paddy_EIRE> beryl will be good day by day, they have new web sites now, www.beryl-themes.org |
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| 10:45.15 | Paddy_EIRE | eilker: nice one |
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| 10:47.04 | ma3x | liable: mkisofs -o foo.iso input-directory -dvd-video ? |
| 10:48.18 | Paddy_EIRE | where would the apt-get log be |
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| 10:49.18 | eilker | why doesnt installer ask for desktop choose ? i dont want gnome desktop |
| 10:49.24 | liable | ma3x: that should be fine, you should have all cap dir in that main dir.. though i havent ever used it. give it a go i guess |
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| 10:49.57 | Savar | eilker: don't know.. but... |
| 10:50.19 | Savar | ;-) |
| 10:50.19 | ma3x | liable: thnkas! |
| 10:50.19 | Kevin` | eilker most people will just select "standard system" and install kde or whatever later |
| 10:50.20 | liable | eilker: there are specific cd's for kde and xfce, or you can just install whatever you want after installing base |
| 10:50.53 | eilker | i downloaded first 3 cd's , will kde be in one of these thre cd's ? |
| 10:52.24 | liable | eilker: install base and try and install it. i honestly dont know anymore, i havent used an etch installer for quite some time |
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| 10:53.05 | dorksville | hi |
| 10:54.03 | enouf | eilker: default is gnomw |
| 10:54.09 | enouf | er gnome |
| 10:54.15 | shingouz | any voice enabled jabber client that works in the repositories? jabbin seems to be a good candidate but just crashes with an incoming call on sid |
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| 10:54.44 | dorksville | anyone no the command thatll clean any uninstall packages from /etc ? |
| 10:54.52 | dorksville | uninstalled* |
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| 10:54.58 | eilker | enouf> unfortuanetly |
| 10:55.23 | shingouz | dorksville: you should remove --purge them when you do not want to use them anymore |
| 10:55.31 | Kevin` | what's a good (common/standard) imap server |
| 10:55.46 | petemc | dovecot works for me |
| 10:55.58 | enouf | eilker: you can install kde only with a netboot (or netinstaller maybe .. forget) boot option param .. like tasksel=/desktopenv=kde .. again i forget the exact option .. but there's also a kde-CD1 or something I think |
| 10:56.18 | ciop | hello, i have a question, is it safe to add www-data to adm group so it can read the firewall log (ulogd)? |
| 10:56.32 | fireba11 | wtf ? |
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| 10:56.48 | dorksville | anyone no how to safely install lighttpd without having to replace the kernal ? |
| 10:56.59 | xand | "know" |
| 10:57.05 | enouf | eilker: look around at debian.org for specifics about that kde cd (easiest) if it exists, or .. we'll see what e;se we can come up with |
| 10:57.24 | eilker | enouf: i have 2. and 3. cd, i think that kde is in one of it, btw i installed debian already |
| 10:57.27 | fireba11 | ciop : that is an especially dumb idea |
| 10:57.28 | xand | dorksville: apt-get install lighttpd |
| 10:57.33 | enouf | xand: stop switching nicks :-p |
| 10:57.40 | shingouz | dorksville: apt-get install lighthttpd does not work? and it is kernEl ;) |
| 10:57.50 | dorksville | i do but it asks to replace kernal then i do yes and i end up reloading debian on server |
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| 10:58.10 | enouf | eilker: why'd you do that? .. /msg dpkg uninstall gnome , /msg dpkg install kde |
| 10:58.16 | dorksville | sorry kernel :P |
| 10:58.22 | ciop | fireba11 : sorry im new to linux, why bad idea? |
| 10:58.35 | enouf | eilker: I'm talking about a premade KDE CD |
| 10:58.45 | Kevin` | why would lighthttpd need changing of the kernel? or is just doing that incidently |
| 10:58.45 | enouf | eilker: though i may be mistaken |
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| 10:59.20 | dorksville | i dont have a clue kevin its jsut what is asks for ive tryed compiling lighttpd and doing it from there i have no clue how to |
| 10:59.42 | fireba11 | ciop : read only will be enough .. why do you want to read lgos directly from webserver ? |
| 10:59.44 | eilker | enouf> no no, kde cd was another point, i wanna install via cd' , cause my speed is so slow 256 k |
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| 11:00.07 | fireba11 | ciop: adding adm would undermine the security concept |
| 11:00.12 | enouf | xand: oh btw .. forgot to thank you for the nice serial console howto, i saw a few weeks back |
| 11:01.50 | ciop | fireba11 : i want to create a firewall log parser, so i can see it from browser, and the default ulogd log mask is 640 |
| 11:02.08 | dorksville | would anyone be kind enough to show me how to install lighttpd from compiling it as ive been trying to get this to work for 3 days lol |
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| 11:03.06 | xand | enouf: good :) |
| 11:03.16 | liable | !info lighttpd sarge |
| 11:03.29 | ciop | or is it safe to o+r the firewall log? |
| 11:03.34 | dorksville | !info lighttpd sarge |
| 11:03.36 | PingFloyd | ciop: why not just view it with less? |
| 11:03.55 | liable | dorksville: do you have sarge? or newer? |
| 11:04.02 | dorksville | i have debian sarge |
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| 11:04.14 | liable | dorksville: check backports.org first |
| 11:04.40 | dorksville | kk |
| 11:04.43 | ciop | PingFloyd : yes, but not all computer on the network have putty/ssh client |
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| 11:05.19 | enouf | dpkg where were you |
| 11:05.24 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 11:05.36 | liable | awstats cant do firewall logs? |
| 11:06.34 | dorksville | cant find lighttpd package on there |
| 11:06.44 | ateoh211 | I think awstats can handle any logs, it's just a matter of how much sweat you put into the configuration of it |
| 11:06.57 | eilker | i cant add cd's as repo, when i add it to sources.list, and doing apt-get update no use... |
| 11:07.10 | liable | eilker: apt-cdrom |
| 11:07.17 | ciop | does awstatuse ajax? |
| 11:07.28 | liable | perl |
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| 11:07.51 | eilker | !apt-cdrom |
| 11:07.51 | dpkg | methinks apt-cdrom is used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources |
| 11:08.15 | ciop | hmm |
| 11:08.15 | liable | !msg the bot |
| 11:08.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 11:09.03 | eilker | liable: should i add to sources.list too ? |
| 11:09.24 | MrWup | http://paste.uni.cc/13906 |
| 11:09.25 | liable | eilker: apt-cdrom will do it for you |
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| 11:09.29 | MrWup | this is my sources.list |
| 11:09.36 | MrWup | and for some reason it says build-essential is not found |
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| 11:10.33 | liable | MrWup: it may be in security, why have you commented that line? |
| 11:10.38 | Jemt | Is there no way I can use DRM protected VMA files on linux? I don't necessary wanna play that file, but ie burn it and afterwards rip it, or just convert it - something like that. It annoys me that I can't buy the music I want from online stores and use it on Linux |
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| 11:11.03 | w00ka | ola |
| 11:11.12 | liable | so stop buying from shit stores that put drm on it :P |
| 11:11.47 | PingFloyd | as long as people play the game on their terms, the worse it's going to get |
| 11:11.59 | dustybin | i want to create a new user + password on debian etch but i dont want that user to have a /home directory and i dont want that user to be able to log into ssh, what do i need to put in /etc/passwd? |
| 11:12.26 | dustybin | when i added the user it looks like this in /etc/passwd |
| 11:12.27 | liable | dorksville: man adduser, theres options for no /home etc |
| 11:12.28 | dustybin | admin:x:1002:1002::/home/admin:/bin/sh |
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| 11:13.24 | dorksville | add what user ? |
| 11:13.55 | liable | dorksville: dunno how you go about disabling ssh though for that user.. |
| 11:14.03 | liable | dustybin: ^^ |
| 11:14.16 | dorksville | heh |
| 11:14.59 | Jemt | liable: I don't have any alternatives it seems |
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| 11:15.39 | Jemt | Does anyone know of a european website that sells music in MP3 format - legal music that is (!) |
| 11:15.52 | wols_ | allofmp23.com which is european... |
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| 11:16.04 | liable | heh, is that the russian one? |
| 11:16.07 | wols_ | yes |
| 11:16.24 | Jemt | wols_: Legal! |
| 11:16.29 | liable | it is |
| 11:16.32 | wols_ | as for its legality: no shutdown by authorities, and there was ample time to do so |
| 11:16.36 | wols_ | it is legal. |
| 11:16.42 | Jemt | It's not legal in Denmark :p |
| 11:16.47 | wols_ | what the riaa or ifpi sas is not relevant |
| 11:16.55 | wols_ | Jemt: court said so? |
| 11:17.05 | wols_ | emusic is the only one selling mp3s I know of |
| 11:17.10 | liable | !fuck the riaa |
| 11:17.18 | Jemt | !fuck |
| 11:17.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, fuck is cool |
| 11:17.22 | Jemt | LOL |
| 11:17.27 | Mazingaro | lol |
| 11:17.33 | Mazingaro | !fuck ubuntu |
| 11:17.43 | Mazingaro | !fuck slackware |
| 11:17.48 | Jemt | Eh ? |
| 11:17.49 | liable | dont |
| 11:17.55 | dorksville | ... |
| 11:18.07 | Mazingaro | !fuck |
| 11:18.07 | dpkg | well, fuck is cool |
| 11:18.20 | liable | i wish we could restore some old factoids from the past |
| 11:18.28 | Mazingaro | !fuck fedora |
| 11:18.33 | liable | MrWup: stop it |
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| 11:18.53 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: Dobb's friend? |
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| 11:19.05 | eilker | i cant find synaptic .... |
| 11:19.08 | Kevin` | I just like slackware |
| 11:19.18 | wols_ | eilker: apt-cache search synaptci |
| 11:19.23 | Mazingaro | Kevin`: .tar.gz all |
| 11:19.34 | Jemt | <wols_> eilker: apt-cache search synaptci <= synaptic |
| 11:19.34 | eilker | wols_: i mean in gnome menu |
| 11:19.48 | wols_ | probably under "debian" |
| 11:19.57 | liable | or lost+found |
| 11:20.07 | liable | should be in the main menu though |
| 11:20.37 | ciop | i though awstats only for apache access.log |
| 11:21.48 | MrWup | its not in security |
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| 11:21.57 | MrWup | and even if i uncomment the line it still has loads of errors |
| 11:21.58 | Jemt | Will Aptitude become part of Debian in the future ? Maybe even replace apt-get ? |
| 11:22.09 | MrWup | could not stat package files etc |
| 11:22.13 | MrWup | no such file or directory |
| 11:22.18 | eilker | "gksudo synaptic" is it wrong ? |
| 11:22.19 | Kevin` | aptitude already is part of debian |
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| 11:22.37 | liable | MrWup: paste your errors, looks like you have some issues with apt |
| 11:22.53 | ctp | hi folks. how to find out the number of the packages available in etch now (exactely). i need a very recent number of available packages for an oss presentation tommorow. |
| 11:23.10 | wols_ | !debstats |
| 11:23.11 | dpkg | methinks debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 11:23.18 | liable | !dstats |
| 11:23.23 | ctp | ah, ok. mni thx ;-) |
| 11:23.29 | wols_ | dpkg knows... I just don't know the trigger |
| 11:23.32 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 20127 packages, 1805 maintainers, 47041 MB installed size, 15743 MB compressed size. |
| 11:23.38 | liable | !dstats etch |
| 11:23.51 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18616 packages, 1727 maintainers, 41706 MB installed size, 13730 MB compressed size. |
| 11:24.05 | Kevin` | 41gb installed.. hehe |
| 11:24.13 | wols_ | the bloatiness of debian knows no bounds :P |
| 11:24.20 | liable | heh |
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| 11:24.30 | eilker | i cant believe it, it is not installed :D |
| 11:24.34 | dustybin | can you put in 'users' on host.allow and host |
| 11:24.34 | wols_ | I'm sure debian is the buggies OS eve |
| 11:24.36 | dustybin | .deny list |
| 11:24.51 | dustybin | i guess not, otherwise it wouldnt be called 'host' |
| 11:24.56 | dustybin | ... |
| 11:25.13 | Kevin` | apparently i'm the 49th most active person in #debian |
| 11:25.21 | liable | wols_: are you drunk? |
| 11:25.28 | wols_ | no |
| 11:25.34 | wols_ | liable: I am dead serious |
| 11:25.41 | liable | wols_: well, your typing sucks tonight :P |
| 11:25.47 | ciop | haha |
| 11:25.49 | wols_ | the bigger the OS, the more kLOC. the more kLoc, the more bus |
| 11:25.51 | wols_ | bugs |
| 11:26.03 | wols_ | my typing always sucks. I blame abrotman |
| 11:26.09 | wols_ | it's all his fault |
| 11:26.22 | wols_ | and this keyboard doesn't help (I'm not at home) |
| 11:26.22 | liable | i think he causes elminio too! |
| 11:26.32 | wols_ | doing a virus scan on a totally shot windows install |
| 11:26.38 | wols_ | won't even boot without a BSOD |
| 11:26.39 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 11:26.40 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 11:26.40 | wols_ | ooray for malware |
| 11:27.35 | wols_ | they keyboard I am is in a car garage. and it's from an old 286 ca. 1988 |
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| 11:27.47 | wols_ | I think it's the only surviving thing of that 286 |
| 11:27.57 | wols_ | but it still works fine. seems samsung made a quality product |
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| 11:28.16 | liable | < wols_> they keyboard I am is in a car garage. |
| 11:28.18 | liable | ?? |
| 11:28.29 | liable | !typosmite wols_ |
| 11:28.31 | wols_ | the keyboard I'm typing on |
| 11:28.41 | wols_ | not war and peace! |
| 11:28.52 | wols_ | dostoyevski is so DULL |
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| 11:30.32 | eilker | synaptic is cd2 , kde is cd1 too :D |
| 11:31.12 | Leibsle | !dstats |
| 11:31.22 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 20127 packages, 1805 maintainers, 47041 MB installed size, 15743 MB compressed size. |
| 11:31.30 | Leibsle | !dstats etch |
| 11:31.37 | liable | Leibsle: dude, just scroll up, no need to call it again |
| 11:31.40 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18616 packages, 1727 maintainers, 41706 MB installed size, 13730 MB compressed size. |
| 11:31.50 | Leibsle | !dstats sarge |
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| 11:32.25 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15659 packages, 1473 maintainers, 28188 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 11:32.25 | liable | wht the fuck do people do that? |
| 11:32.25 | Leibsle | liable, close your hole and move on |
| 11:32.25 | wols_ | people are morons |
| 11:32.25 | liable | Leibsle: stop abusing the bot |
| 11:32.42 | Leibsle | liable, would you stop being a prick and shut up? |
| 11:33.24 | liable | Leibsle: if you must, do it in /msg, we have already all seen it, we dont need to spam the whole channel for your enjoyment |
| 11:33.42 | Leibsle | liable, you are no authority on this channel. so shut the fuck up already. |
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| 11:34.07 | fireba11 | Leibsle: cut it out already |
| 11:34.25 | Leibsle | and the next clown who tries to boss people around |
| 11:34.33 | liable | Leibsle: just because i am not an op, doesnt mean you can be a twat |
| 11:34.33 | Leibsle | welcome to #moron-city |
| 11:34.41 | wols_ | !moron liable |
| 11:34.42 | dpkg | liable: You are moron #63 |
| 11:34.43 | x_link | Hi wols_ ! |
| 11:34.44 | wols_ | oops. |
| 11:34.49 | ciop | lol |
| 11:34.50 | wols_ | sorry liable. |
| 11:34.56 | wols_ | !morong Leibsle |
| 11:35.04 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.05 | wols_ | oh well. I better shut up now... |
| 11:35.10 | liable | wols_: i get it all the time ;) |
| 11:35.18 | fireba11 | haha |
| 11:35.26 | liable | wols_: dude, change that fucking keyboard! |
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| 11:35.51 | elbing | I can sell him one, very cheap :p |
| 11:36.17 | enouf | !penixstrike the last 100 lines |
| 11:36.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking the last 100 lines to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 11:36.22 | wols_ | I will buy one this afternoon. 5-10 bucks or so are provisioned :) |
| 11:36.30 | wols_ | I think in black so the oil isn't that visible... |
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| 11:36.51 | PingFloyd | get one of those old keytronics |
| 11:36.53 | fireba11 | wols_: oil ? what are you doing to your keyboards ? |
| 11:37.01 | liable | wols_: ok, i asked if you were drunk, now, are you on crack tonight? :P |
| 11:37.07 | dustybin | is there a way of listing all users on your system what have ssh privileges? |
| 11:37.08 | elbing | leave tuna sandwiches |
| 11:37.11 | enouf | liable: i think infernix or similar, has a much more diabolical fan club base :-P fwiw |
| 11:37.12 | wols_ | it's in a car garage here. there is constant oil dust in the air |
| 11:37.15 | wols_ | it's normal |
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| 11:37.29 | fireba11 | wols_: ah |
| 11:37.38 | liable | enouf: ya, i have seen some of his fans. |
| 11:37.51 | wols_ | so the usual PC dust is mixed with oil of course |
| 11:38.11 | fireba11 | wols_: sounds pretty deadly to hardware |
| 11:38.12 | MrWup | wtf is up with this |
| 11:38.20 | MrWup | whatever mirror i try it says could not stat source package list |
| 11:38.30 | wols_ | not at all |
| 11:38.31 | MrWup | even if i use sample sources.list from the web |
| 11:38.33 | wols_ | fans love it :) |
| 11:38.33 | enouf | MrWup: try brazil |
| 11:38.43 | MrWup | i would but brazil is down today |
| 11:38.48 | wols_ | possibly deadly for optical drives but even that works out fine |
| 11:38.48 | elbing | MrWup, are you sure you are not in Mars |
| 11:38.57 | hark | you do have to run an update first |
| 11:39.04 | MrWup | im using linux26 i dont know if thats the problem |
| 11:39.05 | Leibsle | would you either help people like dustybin or shut up with the offtopic talk? |
| 11:39.07 | enouf | MrWup: oh .. were you the one with this issue and mirrors in the uk, prior? |
| 11:39.13 | MrWup | enouf yeah |
| 11:39.28 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.34 | enouf | MrWup: something ain't right on your system .. all www works fine though? |
| 11:39.39 | MrWup | yeah |
| 11:39.43 | MrWup | im surfing the web fine |
| 11:39.46 | MrWup | through mozilla |
| 11:39.50 | enouf | MrWup: cat /etc/debian_version says? |
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| 11:39.59 | MrWup | let me check. sec... |
| 11:40.27 | PingFloyd | wols_: if you want something real high end http://ohgizmo.com/?p=353 |
| 11:40.30 | enouf | MrWup: and astebin hte entire output of a failed apt-get command |
| 11:40.32 | MrWup | 3.1 |
| 11:40.39 | wols_ | PingFloyd: I certainly don't |
| 11:40.42 | enouf | MrWup: Sarge/Stable ok |
| 11:40.43 | hark | pebcak? |
| 11:40.52 | wols_ | I might look for a logitech deluxe250 or so for 10$ |
| 11:40.55 | enouf | or pebkac :-) |
| 11:41.03 | MrWup | ok |
| 11:41.14 | hark | heh |
| 11:41.22 | enouf | er pastebin* .. whoops |
| 11:41.25 | wols_ | PingFloyd: and certainly not 1200$ |
| 11:42.04 | ciop | which is better, apt-proxy or apt-cacher? sometimes i get BADSIG ... by using apt-proxy |
| 11:43.41 | MrWup | http://paste.uni.cc/13911 |
| 11:44.15 | enouf | ciop dunno .. but might be a apt-key/dak issue? .. are you fiddling about in sources.list/apt.conf/apt-preferences/pinning, etc? |
| 11:44.33 | PingFloyd | wols_: remember the old omnikey? |
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| 11:44.39 | liable | MrWup: have you run apt-get update??? |
| 11:44.47 | MrWup | yeah it says i have latest version |
| 11:44.54 | liable | PingFloyd: is that an old apple keyboard with one key? |
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| 11:45.05 | PingFloyd | no |
| 11:45.09 | enouf | MrWup: tried what it suggest? |
| 11:45.16 | PingFloyd | it's PC 101 that's built like a tank |
| 11:45.17 | enouf | suggests |
| 11:45.34 | wols_ | PingFloyd: IBM model M |
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| 11:46.21 | enouf | MrWup: lets see you entire sources.list too |
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| 11:46.24 | ciop | enouf: i dont know, but if i restart the apt-proxy or change the backends it solve the BADSIG problem |
| 11:46.31 | MrWup | ah |
| 11:46.34 | MrWup | i ran update again |
| 11:46.36 | MrWup | and now it works |
| 11:46.40 | enouf | haha |
| 11:46.44 | enouf | :-P |
| 11:46.48 | MrWup | update yesterday was always not helping |
| 11:46.51 | MrWup | heh |
| 11:46.57 | liable | ... |
| 11:47.09 | enouf | heh .. mirror syncing maybe .. they each use a diff key too IINM |
| 11:47.13 | MrWup | thanks for helping guys |
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| 11:47.20 | MrWup | id be completely at sea without u |
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| 11:47.42 | enouf | ciop: how's about a complete error message and check the /var/log/* logfiles |
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| 11:48.05 | PingFloyd | wols_: that's a good one too |
| 11:48.07 | enouf | MrWup: now you know why we ask for exact error messagses ;-) |
| 11:48.45 | liable | dustybin: i believe anyone with a proper shell can login via shell, you can set there shell to /bin/false or whatever, but what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 11:48.56 | enouf | !wayttd |
| 11:48.56 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 11:49.07 | Konky | Hi |
| 11:49.21 | enouf | !greet Konky |
| 11:49.21 | dpkg | Bonjour, Konky |
| 11:49.36 | Konky | I got a binary which is suid root (4755) when i execute it as normal user it works. but when i execute it through a "wrapper" bash script it does not have root permissions anymore |
| 11:49.40 | Konky | anyone an idea |
| 11:50.28 | PingFloyd | does anyone make good keyboards anymore? Northgate went out of business back in the 90s and ibm doesn't seem to make them like they used to. |
| 11:50.31 | ciop | enouf : ah okay, next time i get those error i'll see the log first |
| 11:50.33 | enouf | hrm .. sudo user? .. or an ./Xauthority issue? |
| 11:50.35 | liable | what is running the script? |
| 11:50.55 | Konky | just cnosoel, no sudo stuff |
| 11:51.09 | enouf | PingFloyd: all i know is .. the next keyboard I pay for .. I',m getting me a backlit one ;-) |
| 11:51.10 | Konky | just a plain normal user account that should be able to execute a program with root rights |
| 11:51.16 | liable | so when the same user runs the script, it fails? |
| 11:51.34 | Konky | yes, when he runs the script which executes the suid file he fails on permissions when writing |
| 11:51.42 | Konky | but when directly calling the suid executable it works |
| 11:51.50 | Konky | must be some stupid thing i forgot |
| 11:51.53 | enouf | PingFloyd: i like very dim ambient light .. but the keys are still diffucult to see for me .. hence backlighting .. oh .. and wireless too ;-) |
| 11:52.11 | enouf | PingFloyd: so I can take it to the John with me O.o |
| 11:52.41 | liable | thats not a pretty mental image |
| 11:53.03 | Konky | these are the permissions of the executable "-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root" |
| 11:53.10 | liable | Konky: i cant see why, try #bash |
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| 11:53.56 | PingFloyd | enouf: remind me to never touch your keyboard |
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| 11:54.48 | PingFloyd | yeah backlit ones are cool, but I wonder how long they last |
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| 11:56.36 | MrWup | i try to run configure and it says command not found |
| 11:56.44 | PingFloyd | wols_: keytronic keyboards are surprisingly durable for how cheap they are |
| 11:56.46 | MrWup | do i need to d/l another package? |
| 11:57.00 | PingFloyd | wols_: my dad has had his for about 10+ years |
| 11:57.14 | liable | MrWup: configure is a script in the source, try ./configure |
| 11:57.23 | dorksville | ok i have managed to install lighttpd nps now however im having trouble trying to access mysql as is locking me out what packages do i need to remove to reinstall mysql |
| 11:57.27 | dorksville | here is link http://paste.uni.cc/13913 |
| 11:57.33 | MrWup | oh |
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| 12:03.10 | enouf | PingFloyd: hehe .. just realized .. i'd be typing jibberish, since i wouldn't be viewing the monitor :-P .. so maybe not for can, but for just plain lazy-chair portability ;-) |
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| 12:06.16 | enouf | MrWup: yeah .. cd into /src/dir, then type ./configure .. which varies upon whatevr source you're dealing with, so try ./configure --help |
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| 12:06.47 | ivalladt | I am trying to install testing. When selecting and installing programs, I get a red screen telling something failed. Console shows "tasksel: aptitude failed" and "menu item pkgsel failed", any ideas? |
| 12:06.49 | enouf | MrWup: best to always view the INSTALL adn README files,if present, which they should be in any decent app |
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| 12:08.13 | enouf | ivalladt: tasksel allows for a predetermined set of pkgs, hrm is your network up? |
| 12:08.37 | enouf | ivalladt: alt-f4 give anymore clues? |
| 12:08.49 | ivalladt | enouf: my network is up, ant I select default packages |
| 12:08.55 | MrWup | i tried to install zaptel and it says and it says you do not appear to have the source for the 2.8.3.6-386 kernel installed |
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| 12:09.03 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 12:09.08 | enouf | ivalladt: using a recent daily image? |
| 12:09.13 | ivalladt | enouf: rest of alt-f4 messages seem uninteresting, sorry I can't paste them here |
| 12:09.39 | Ramattack | If I do crontab -e could I see the today programed jobs? |
| 12:09.39 | MrWup | any idea how i install the kernel headers? |
| 12:09.40 | ivalladt | enouf: using a fairly old image, do you suggest trying a newer one? |
| 12:09.42 | enouf | ivalladt: yes indeed |
| 12:09.51 | enouf | !tell ivalladt about today |
| 12:09.58 | ivalladt | enouf: I'll have to try on monday, thanks |
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| 12:10.16 | enouf | ivalladt: especially see the 2nd url |
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| 12:14.32 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:14.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd176 is < raf256> Why debian devel decided to curse debian with constant farting out of the box? |
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| 12:18.08 | streuner | liable: haha |
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| 12:19.18 | liable | streuner: i didnt say it, but must admit, its a goody :) |
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| 12:20.43 | grandpapadot | Hi all. Is there any magic to making vsftpd allow local user logins in sarge? I'm able to do it in ubuntu no problem. I'm familiar with vsftpd but apparently I've run into something odd or obviously beyond my experience. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 12:22.39 | eilker | grandpapadot> what do u mean ? ftp://localhost cant be viewed ? |
| 12:22.52 | petemc | grandpapadot: anything in auth.log? |
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| 12:23.45 | grandpapadot | nothing in auth.log, nothing in vstfp.log except access denied. I have anonymous=no in the config and using a chroot list. My exact config on about 10 ubuntu servers. It's really kicking my arse. |
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| 12:23.49 | raz0 | grandpapadot, It's in the config! |
| 12:23.57 | grandpapadot | It's just failing to authenticate and I can't figure out why. |
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| 12:25.12 | raz0 | /etc/vsftpd.conf -> local_enable, grandpapadot |
| 12:25.20 | grandpapadot | Yep. |
| 12:25.46 | HostilePenguin | in aptitude i stands of installed what does the A mean? |
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| 12:26.45 | liable | automatically installed ie, a depends |
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| 12:30.22 | laza | Hi! Is there a generic way so that a user application can expose a (virtial) filesystem, that can be mounted and used by others? An example would be, that the application would provide a filesystem where the structure and files and the content would be read from a database or depend on the application state |
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| 12:31.55 | grandpapadot | Got it. Something to do with the username being weird. |
| 12:32.07 | grandpapadot | Hey, how do I manually mount a usb stick without an fstab entry? |
| 12:32.32 | nivanson | grandpapadot: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /target usually |
| 12:32.47 | intruder | hi, im usually booting debian from my external hd at school, im using a grub floppy to boot on this usb2.0 hd, usually this works with every dell optiplex in the school, but sometimes i find a computer on which it doesnt work, grub can't find the device, anyone has an idea if this is bios related or what ? |
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| 12:33.34 | grandpapadot | Thanks. Out - PEACE! |
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| 12:34.35 | liable | intruder: if you run the os on the box, does it see the drive when you plug it in? |
| 12:35.22 | intruder | liable: yes, if i boot the school OS, i can see my usb hd |
| 12:35.35 | DawnLight | is there anything in particular that i need to do after switching from grub to lilo? i say this because something in the process of installing nvidia mentioned grub and failed |
| 12:35.38 | intruder | but grub won't see it |
| 12:36.10 | intruder | should i power-on my external hd after the pc has booten ? |
| 12:36.53 | intruder | usually i wait for the drive to settle before turning on the motherboard |
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| 12:37.29 | intruder | i don't know if it is the right procedure |
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| 12:37.54 | DawnLight | is there anything in particular that i need to do after switching from grub to lilo? perhaps i didn't make a full transition because something in the process of installing nvidia mentioned grub and failed |
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| 12:39.39 | liable | intruder: dunno, seeing as you boot from floppy, i wouldnt think its bios related, but its the only thing that seems to make sense |
| 12:40.23 | intruder | yea it seems like an option "Disable usb detection at boot time" |
| 12:40.40 | enouf | intruder: it's likely a bios setting .. see the comments (Additions) at the bottom about various things to look for USB related |
| 12:40.41 | intruder | but the bios is locked since it is a school computer |
| 12:40.52 | enouf | intruder: here whoops http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 12:40.55 | lewis2 | anyone here used ISPConfig before, and any views on it? |
| 12:41.09 | enouf | !screw intruder |
| 12:41.16 | enouf | bah |
| 12:41.49 | enouf | erm .. hehe !block the intruder would've been more appropriate |
| 12:42.18 | intruder | but since i first boot on a floppy, does the usb detection relies on grub instead of the bios ? |
| 12:42.26 | enouf | no no no |
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| 12:43.08 | enouf | intruder: put a full kernel or bzImage or something onto your floppy then |
| 12:43.43 | enouf | maybe not a full kernel .. but .. hehe |
| 12:43.57 | intruder | hrm |
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| 12:44.15 | enouf | you can set it up to use 2 floppies though .. to get more .. |
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| 12:45.13 | enouf | intruder: read this over a bit ;-) http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/ramdisk.txt?v=2.4.28 though there's likel better tuts out there |
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| 12:45.42 | intruder | enouf: you think booting the kernel directly will fix that usb detection problem ? |
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| 12:46.24 | eilker | !lvm |
| 12:46.24 | dpkg | lvm is probably at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 12:46.37 | enouf | intruder: if you have a kernel that has usb module support, then likely yes .. and maybe you want to chroot (into USB key OS, /) once booted then perhaps |
| 12:46.52 | eilker | !lvm_tutorial > eilker |
| 12:47.17 | intruder | ok thanks, ill look this up |
| 12:47.40 | liable | intruder: i would ask the admins, if most of the computers can, then its likely that the few that dont are broken or misconfigured |
| 12:47.58 | enouf | eilker: did that actually work? the > redirection? , if so, where to? |
| 12:48.09 | eilker | enouf: no it didnt |
| 12:48.26 | enouf | eilker: /msg dpkg lvm_tutorial |
| 12:48.33 | eilker | thanx |
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| 12:48.57 | enouf | !tell eilker about msg the bot |
| 12:49.02 | eilker | enouf: servers with lvm more secure ? |
| 12:49.22 | enouf | not necessairly .. LVM is a volume manger |
| 12:49.25 | enouf | manager |
| 12:49.26 | cydork | eilker: huh? wht does lvm have to do with security? |
| 12:49.42 | eilker | i dont know, and i cant understand lvm |
| 12:49.59 | enouf | eilker: you want crypt, luks, uml, loop-aes, selinux or something |
| 12:50.09 | eilker | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.14 | enouf | oh .. hehe |
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| 12:50.27 | enouf | no spaces prior to first / |
| 12:50.38 | enouf | eilker: ^^^ |
| 12:50.41 | eilker | yeah corrected it :) |
| 12:50.58 | eilker | i just copied from you :) |
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| 12:52.12 | enouf | eilker: some other general info http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mdadm/mdadm/trunk/debian/FAQ?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 12:53.46 | eilker | enouf: thanx, reading it |
| 12:54.17 | enouf | eilker: welcome .. and one more if you haven't found it already http://www.midhgard.it/docs/lvm/html/intro.html |
| 12:54.30 | bwlang | i'm having some problems with 2.6.8 in sarge... (segfaults in vmware, sata performance) and am considering upgrading to 2.6.18 from backports.org. This is a production server. is this madness? |
| 12:55.21 | eilker | enouf: do u use raid ? |
| 12:55.35 | enouf | eilker: not at the moment ;-) |
| 12:55.52 | eilker | enouf: i wanna try it |
| 12:56.20 | eilker | enouf: may i do it with one ide hd and one sata hd ? |
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| 12:56.48 | jelly | bwlang: not necessarily, but beware the implicit udev dependency. I'd install yaird first, then the backported kernel. |
| 12:56.58 | enouf | eilker: you want to apt-cache show dmraid, dmsetup and mdadm, for software raid and lvm |
| 12:57.16 | bwlang | jelly: yaird eh... don't even know what that is. |
| 12:57.23 | enouf | eilker: sure .. but not the best choice ;-) |
| 12:57.23 | jelly | bwlang: or you can build your own kernel from vanilla sources |
| 12:57.46 | eilker | enouf> do u manage servers ? |
| 12:57.48 | bwlang | jelly: what's wrong with mkiniramfs? |
| 12:57.48 | bzed | bwlang: the other thing you could do it to upgrade to etch, we're running it on all production servers since months, as using a lot of backports started to annoy us |
| 12:58.00 | jelly | bwlang: the newer kernel can use two different tools for building the initrd image. the tool installed by default depends on udev |
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| 12:58.27 | enouf | eilker: which controller.. erm .. hrm .. maybe not since two different controllers... hrm .. see linux-ata.org too |
| 12:58.34 | jelly | bwlang: initramfs-tools in backports depended on udev last time I took a look |
| 12:59.00 | bwlang | jelly: it does... i guess i'd rather not make that leap |
| 12:59.23 | jelly | bwlang: yup. But you can evade it by using yaird. |
| 12:59.35 | bwlang | jelly: thanks! |
| 12:59.53 | HostilePenguin | why backport i dont understand. |
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| 13:00.21 | eilker | enouf> do all servers have raid ? more than one hd for back-up and security etc. ? |
| 13:00.32 | enouf | jelly: one can't just use the older mkinitrd instead? or that won't work at all with newer kernels? |
| 13:00.57 | jelly | enouf: it's a versioned dependency, so I guess it really does not work |
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| 13:01.09 | enouf | eilker: not all .. they're all setup differnetly, in raid5,6,10,50 etc |
| 13:01.19 | enouf | eilker: others have better info about that for you |
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| 13:01.39 | enouf | jelly: ahh .. i see |
| 13:01.42 | jelly | Depends: initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) | yaird (>= 0.0.12-8) | linux-initramfs-tool and even Conflicts: initramfs-tools (<< 0.55), yaird (<< 0.0.12-8) |
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| 13:02.32 | HostilePenguin | etch is almost ready to go backporting would be weirdness |
| 13:02.38 | enouf | jelly: is that from an apt-rdepends or ..? |
| 13:02.46 | bwlang | uhoh... Missing Required paramater 'Old' at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64.postinst line 393. |
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| 13:03.22 | HostilePenguin | what does backporting to to dist-upgrade? |
| 13:03.27 | jelly | enouf: no, just apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:03.27 | bwlang | but the wierd thing is that looking through that file all the spath lines do pass in the "old" parameter |
| 13:03.29 | enouf | bwlang: just throw a echo 1 at the top of script .. maybe ;-) |
| 13:03.30 | HostilePenguin | do to |
| 13:03.37 | enouf | jelly: duh .. thanks |
| 13:03.46 | MrWup | ive apt-getted termcap-compat so why does it say termcap support not found when i do ./configure ? |
| 13:03.46 | enouf | +e |
| 13:03.58 | eilker | !vhosts |
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| 13:04.07 | bwlang | enouf: right - we don't need no stinking postinst |
| 13:04.50 | jelly | HostilePenguin: my experience is that the versions are always lower than what's in testing/unstable, so upgrades should just work |
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| 13:05.23 | HostilePenguin | can you backport and then when it breaks can dost-upgrade be used the same way what im saying is dist-upgrade able to fix a broken packported package? |
| 13:05.53 | jelly | HostilePenguin: even a plain upgrade works. |
| 13:06.01 | jelly | HostilePenguin: so, yes |
| 13:07.02 | HostilePenguin | wow i cant type |
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| 13:07.31 | HostilePenguin | time to hide |
| 13:07.46 | jelly | I'll ring the grammar nazis right away, please stay here. |
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| 13:08.38 | liable | MrWup: from termcap-compat info... i.e. replace the '-ltermcap' with '-lncurses' in the makefile |
| 13:09.08 | HostilePenguin | i tried to put 2.6 on a k6 380 with 64m of ram last night didnt work got 2.4 on there ok |
| 13:10.59 | abrotman | jelly: yes? |
| 13:11.33 | jelly | abrotman: HostilePenguin did it! |
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| 13:11.37 | liable | your the grammer nazi we were after |
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| 13:11.55 | abrotman | liable: you're ? |
| 13:12.05 | jelly | grammar! |
| 13:12.13 | GmLB | How should I/can I change the arch setting of my debian install? I just upgraded my board from an x86 to a dual opteron 64, and I'd like to make use of the 64-bit kernel performance? |
| 13:12.14 | liable | baited? |
| 13:12.18 | abrotman | WNBT! |
| 13:12.30 | abrotman | GmLB: you really can't |
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| 13:12.45 | HostilePenguin | 64-bit seems useless right now |
| 13:12.58 | GmLB | hostilePenguin: Why is it useless? |
| 13:13.03 | GmLB | Wouldn't the machine perform better? |
| 13:13.07 | liable | hasnt really caught on has it? |
| 13:13.09 | abrotman | GmLB: really though .. unless you're doing something where 64bit is a benefit .. it's not really worth it |
| 13:13.27 | abrotman | GmLB: on top of certain things not working .. like flash |
| 13:13.39 | GmLB | abrotman: it's not a desktop, it's a file server |
| 13:13.49 | GmLB | abrotman: I'm going to be doing md with it, it'd a big RIAD system |
| 13:13.49 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 13:13.53 | MrWup | from termcap-compat info... i.e. replace the '-ltermcap' with '-lncurses' in the makefile |
| 13:14.00 | GmLB | abrotman: Wouldn't the md/raid stuff be faster with bigger registers?? |
| 13:14.02 | MrWup | i dont understand |
| 13:14.06 | MrWup | im a bit of a noob |
| 13:14.18 | abrotman | GmLB: the only thing you can really do is debootstrap it ... |
| 13:14.21 | HostilePenguin | i wasent saying anything bad about your machine its just outpaced the software side |
| 13:14.26 | abrotman | GmLB: effectively an in-place reinstall |
| 13:14.34 | abrotman | not even really in-pllace |
| 13:14.44 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 13:14.48 | GmLB | abrotman: ah, I see kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp, I can't just apt-get install that/ |
| 13:14.48 | bas | i'm in an office and someone is eating away all the bandwidth. what is a good tool to sniff and analyze traffic? |
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| 13:15.08 | abrotman | GmLB: that's just a 64bit kernel inm a 32bit userland |
| 13:15.15 | jelly | bas: iptraf to take a quick look and bw usage |
| 13:15.16 | GmLB | abrotman: How would I go through the process of debootstraping it? |
| 13:15.20 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 13:15.21 | dpkg | it has been said that debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 13:15.24 | jelly | s/and/at/ |
| 13:15.27 | abrotman | GmLB: but really .. it's a reinstall |
| 13:15.41 | HostilePenguin | over my head |
| 13:15.49 | GmLB | abrotman: Alright, can I read more about the advantages/disadvantages of actually running 64-bit debian? |
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| 13:15.56 | GmLB | abrotman: Can you point me to a document/site? |
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| 13:16.10 | GmLB | abrotman: because why wouldn't flash work? The 64-bit procs can't run 32-bit code? |
| 13:16.23 | abrotman | GmLB: it's a fileserver .. won't have flash anyways |
| 13:16.24 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 13:16.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 13:16.40 | GmLB | abrotman: true, but what about other concequences |
| 13:16.42 | abrotman | ask that IRC channel .. (i think on irc.oftc.net) .. see what they think |
| 13:17.03 | abrotman | GmLB: but if it's just a fileserver .. you probably won't hve the 32/64 issues that a workstation might |
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| 13:17.45 | DawnLight | i believe i have made an incomplete transition from grub to lilo. that's because something in the installation of nvidia mentions grub and fails. what do i do in order to set up lilo correctly and completely remove grub? |
| 13:17.53 | GmLB | abrotman: I see. Would running the system in 64-bit native mode be much faster? I'd suspect it would be right? I mean is this worth the effort? |
| 13:18.15 | abrotman | it'd be marginally faster most likely |
| 13:18.24 | abrotman | really depends on the files you're serving |
| 13:18.41 | GmLB | abrotman: Marginally?? I mean isn't the whole system 2^32 better all around |
| 13:18.43 | liable | DawnLight: what does nvidia have to do with your bootloader? |
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| 13:18.58 | MrWup | ahhh |
| 13:18.59 | MrWup | sorted it out |
| 13:19.01 | MrWup | thanks again =] |
| 13:19.08 | MrWup | next issue... lol... they never stop coming |
| 13:19.09 | abrotman | GmLB: i'd ask #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net and see what they think |
| 13:19.14 | HostilePenguin | the pc world seems expensive right now i mean dual core , 64-bit ,PCIE,only thing that seems good out of the whole last few years is sata |
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| 13:19.19 | MrWup | i need to find a driver for debian for the ATI Rage XL card |
| 13:19.25 | jelly | GmLB: I'd think a file server would be bound by disk and network speeds |
| 13:19.27 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: you can get a basic system pretty cheaply |
| 13:19.28 | MrWup | cause at the moment im using crappy 800x600 resolution |
| 13:19.34 | MrWup | and things are difficult |
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| 13:19.38 | GmLB | abrotman: thanks for your time |
| 13:19.45 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: P4-D with 1GB for < $500 if you don't go high end |
| 13:20.01 | abrotman | GmLB: jelly's comment about disk/network is also correct |
| 13:20.13 | abrotman | GmLB: i mean .. is the server heavily loaded now ?> |
| 13:20.16 | GmLB | abrotman: Well I want the system to do md for me, soft raid |
| 13:20.25 | MrWup | anyone know where i might find such a driver? |
| 13:20.26 | HostilePenguin | or you can buy dual pcie nvidia 8800's and spend $6000 on a rig |
| 13:20.28 | GmLB | abrotman: I'm upgrading it, adding 8 more disks to the array |
| 13:20.36 | HostilePenguin | which is a waste to me |
| 13:20.53 | GmLB | abrotman: no, but I'd like to make it as fast as I can.. plus it seems silly to me to buy 64-bit hardware to run 32-bit code on |
| 13:21.37 | abrotman | GmLB: if you really wanted performance .. you'd ahve HW raid :) |
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| 13:21.42 | abrotman | with SCSI! |
| 13:21.45 | HostilePenguin | they needed to get more money from people so they made vista not run on just ANY system wanna run vista well you need a new pc |
| 13:22.10 | GmLB | abrotman: You don't think i can match it with a dual-core opteron? Isn't my CPU faster than the shitty ones that 3ware puts on their boards |
| 13:22.15 | stew | GmLB: you shoudlnt' expect that 64 bit would run faster except in the case where you have more than 4gb of memory. you should expect that 64 bit versions of applications will require more memory than the 32 bit equivalant |
| 13:22.27 | abrotman | GmLB: it offloads the processing to the RAID card |
| 13:22.31 | jelly | abrotman: (hw raid?) maybe. maybe not. http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/11/234 |
| 13:22.48 | GmLB | abrotman: correct, which now has its own proc to do the RAID caculations |
| 13:23.10 | stew | where now covers the last 10 years as well |
| 13:23.12 | abrotman | jelly: that's software .. no HW comparison |
| 13:23.22 | GmLB | abrotman: so if yor'e going to dedicate a box to be a NAS, why not let it's fast CPU do the raiding |
| 13:23.31 | jelly | abrotman: a P4/2.8GHz can do XOR as fast as some proprietary FPGA or ARM chip found on hw cards. :-) |
| 13:23.41 | HostilePenguin | with xp i was rebuilding my software raid every freaking week linux seems to keep corruption to a minimal |
| 13:24.00 | stew | GmLB: becuase that cpu is on a different side of the pci bus than the disks it is writing to (compared to the cpu on the raid card) |
| 13:24.11 | abrotman | GmLB: there are people who claim both sides .. but if you're offloading to the card .. the CPU can do other work like IO requests networking .. samba .. etc |
| 13:24.49 | abrotman | jelly: it's debatable .. i haven't done real tests in a long time .. so who knows now ... |
| 13:25.29 | bzed | GmLB: imho the 3ware thingies just suck. on the other side, you opteron doesn;t have any battery-buffered read/write cache. |
| 13:25.50 | stew | imho 3ware ruls |
| 13:25.59 | GmLB | bzed: i'm not worried about BBUs |
| 13:26.04 | abrotman | 3ware is nice because it works |
| 13:26.05 | GmLB | bzed: Mostly reading, it's a media array |
| 13:26.15 | abrotman | so does adaptec |
| 13:26.15 | GmLB | I have a 3ware 8500 in the system |
| 13:26.24 | GmLB | but I think i can get it to run faster with the huge array if I did md |
| 13:26.25 | bzed | abrotman: definitely. they work. if you don't need the speed, they're great. |
| 13:26.27 | GmLB | the card is just dying |
| 13:27.27 | abrotman | jelly: a quick google shows SW raid kicking the snot out of 3ware .. but those are the only tests i can find (no other adapters or scsi tests) |
| 13:28.01 | GmLB | abrotman: Where do you stand on the md vs lvm |
| 13:28.05 | GmLB | debate |
| 13:28.16 | abrotman | GmLB: it's not a vs .. they can be used together |
| 13:28.37 | bzed | abrotman: uuh, adaptec does not work always. they have some cards... if you use the latest firmware you're... fucked. not sure if it was scsi or sata |
| 13:28.50 | abrotman | bzed: all the ones i've used have worked |
| 13:28.55 | HostilePenguin | who uses raid0? and what is the purpose? |
| 13:29.09 | abrotman | though lately i've been fortunate enough to get ServeRaid 8 cards with boxen |
| 13:29.17 | bzed | !tell HostilePenguin about raid0 |
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| 13:29.37 | bzed | HostilePenguin: you don;t use raid0, you use lvm instead |
| 13:29.53 | abrotman | eh ... |
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| 13:30.47 | bzed | GmLB: I'd use lvm on top of a raid device |
| 13:31.02 | GmLB | bzed: What about stability? I had heard of some lockups w/ LVM |
| 13:31.14 | GmLB | I've got a RAID-5 now, 6x250gb |
| 13:31.21 | GmLB | I'm adding a RAID-5 8x500gb |
| 13:31.28 | bzed | GmLB: as far as I remember there were only some problems with snapshots |
| 13:31.29 | heh_v_water | doesnt raid0 give you faster read/writes due to multiple controllers/disks being used simultaneously whereas lvm isn't going to get you the same reasults |
| 13:31.32 | GmLB | I'm thinking of switching to XFS too |
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| 13:31.36 | GmLB | reiser is giving me some issues |
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| 13:31.45 | bzed | GmLB: which kind of issues? |
| 13:31.56 | GmLB | bzed: just increased slowness over time |
| 13:31.59 | abrotman | GmLB: ext3 is currently king for almost all cases |
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| 13:32.01 | bzed | heh_v_water: you can use striping with lvm without any problem |
| 13:32.09 | abrotman | heh_v_water: it's nto even RAID! |
| 13:32.16 | GmLB | abrotman: really?? even for a riad or a huge volume? |
| 13:32.22 | jelly | abrotman: I'm going to switch from my ICP Vortex to md (use the controller as plain JBOD) to md as its raid5 performance is nothing to write home about |
| 13:32.40 | abrotman | GmLB: yes |
| 13:32.42 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 13:32.43 | dpkg | well, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 13:32.55 | bzed | md's performance is pretty good imho. |
| 13:32.56 | abrotman | the last link .. though the article is a bit dated |
| 13:33.15 | jelly | abrotman: using 8x250 SATA, and that's a real controller. Its SCSI counterparts have served us well. |
| 13:33.18 | abrotman | xfs also has that pesky "Erase the file"issue ... which i'm not sure is fixed yet |
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| 13:33.27 | abrotman | jelly: more scsi! |
| 13:33.34 | bzed | yeah, and xfs is not really developed anymore at the moment |
| 13:33.45 | bzed | I'd use ext3 and upgrade to ext4 when it's stable |
| 13:34.06 | GmLB | bzed: So you'd say ext3, and would it be wise to keep the arrays as 6x250 and 8x500gb? There's no way to avoid loosing two disks to the RAID? |
| 13:34.06 | liable | ext4? |
| 13:34.11 | abrotman | not sure how much development xfs needs .. it's been in use for what .. 10 years ? |
| 13:34.15 | abrotman | !ext4 |
| 13:34.16 | dpkg | we have to wait until ext3 is out, you know :) |
| 13:34.16 | bzed | although reiserfs has worked well for years |
| 13:34.20 | GmLB | bzed: since I have multiple sized disks |
| 13:34.21 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 13:34.21 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 13:34.27 | bzed | GmLB: for such a size I'd at least add one spare disk |
| 13:34.35 | GmLB | bzed: On each array? |
| 13:34.36 | Draconicus | My sound has inexplicably stopped working. |
| 13:34.43 | bzed | GmLB: yes |
| 13:35.01 | GmLB | bzed: Couldn't they share a 500gb spare |
| 13:35.01 | bwlang | abrotman: erase the file issue? what are you talking about? |
| 13:35.03 | bzed | GmLB: chances that there'll be a disk failure within 6 or 8 disks is pretty high |
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| 13:35.17 | bzed | GmLB: not sure if /how that works with md |
| 13:35.18 | asdzxc | hi |
| 13:35.25 | Draconicus | Alsamixer shows no problems and adjusts the volume just fine, as do most other mixers except for XMMS, which says there's a problem with ALSA or the card. Everything is plugged in properly, but I can't even get mic volume. Can anywaym make a suggestion? |
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| 13:35.32 | asdzxc | my ps/2 keyboard doesn't work in Debian Sarge installer |
| 13:35.33 | GmLB | bzed: and lvm wouldn't affect that? |
| 13:35.36 | asdzxc | what should be the problem ? |
| 13:36.09 | abrotman | bwlang: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
| 13:36.13 | bzed | GmLB: no, lvm just works on top of the raid device. you take the md device and split it in 'partitions' as needed |
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| 13:36.41 | GmLB | bzed: ah it works at a higher level, I see |
| 13:36.44 | HostilePenguin | lvm seems weird to me also why not just make a swap boot and root and then have all your disk ? |
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| 13:37.08 | abrotman | bwlang: there's another link somewhere .. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=xfs+zero+file&btnG=Google+Search |
| 13:37.18 | jetscreamer | lvm goes beyond hd's |
| 13:37.23 | jetscreamer | have many hd's |
| 13:37.32 | bwlang | abrotman: who would be crazy enough to have a system with a big raid and no UPS ? |
| 13:38.02 | fireba11 | bwlang : poor administrators that don't get the budget for a UPS ? |
| 13:38.13 | bzed | GmLB: well not realyl on a higher level. it works on a device, so does md. just don't use md on top of lvm devices, that will break |
| 13:38.17 | jetscreamer | homies who want to play |
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| 13:38.27 | bwlang | fireball: then xfs nulling files is the least of their worries. |
| 13:38.35 | bzed | abrotman: XFS was never made to work without UPS |
| 13:38.40 | GmLB | bzed: so what will lvm buy me? The ability to add new disks to the arrays without blowing the fs away right? |
| 13:38.44 | abrotman | bwlang: ask the whole channel .. i'm sure someone does |
| 13:38.49 | jetscreamer | xfs & reiser, have a ups |
| 13:38.53 | jetscreamer | or else |
| 13:39.01 | abrotman | bwlang: but you're missing the point .. people use reiser and xfs for desktop systems |
| 13:39.08 | superm1 | hey guys: i've got a cd containing packages that is added to my apt/dpkg database via apt-cdrom. these packages are the same versions as on the repos, but it appears that apt still wants to download them from the repos. is there a way to change this behavior? |
| 13:39.22 | bzed | GmLB: I think you want to read something about the features of lvm ;) |
| 13:39.23 | abrotman | comment out the http sources |
| 13:39.23 | bwlang | abrotman: but this guys is talking about a big raid system... |
| 13:39.29 | abrotman | bwlang: in that case .. yes |
| 13:39.30 | GmLB | bzed: indeed |
| 13:39.35 | GmLB | bzed: Already reading |
| 13:39.43 | bwlang | i use xfs on my laptop - nice built in ups ;) never had a problem |
| 13:39.46 | abrotman | bwlang: but it still applies to PC hardware |
| 13:39.49 | bzed | !tell GmLB about lvm tutorial |
| 13:39.52 | bzed | !tell GmLB about lvm_tutorial |
| 13:40.01 | abrotman | bwlang: if you have big RAID .. you probably hve a battery backup on the RAID card too :) |
| 13:40.18 | superm1 | abrotman, any other way - i'd just like to supplement the packages available on apt and save download time when possible using the cd |
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| 13:40.48 | abrotman | i don't think you can set a source preference when the file versions are the same |
| 13:41.03 | superm1 | okay thats what i was thinking. |
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| 13:41.36 | jetscreamer | apt-pinning maybe not sure |
| 13:41.55 | HostilePenguin | my motherboard has software raid for sata and hw raid for ata can i use both? |
| 13:42.07 | liable | sure |
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| 13:42.16 | liable | it will see the ata as one drive |
| 13:42.18 | bzed | GmLB: mainly you can use lvm to group devices into volume groups and get logical volumes from those groups as needed. resizing and things like that is not a problem at all, you can even move volumes/groups/physical_volumes while the system is running |
| 13:42.20 | bwlang | HostilePenguin: in build hw raid usually sucks... |
| 13:42.26 | liable | the others as jbod |
| 13:42.44 | stew | its usually not raid at all |
| 13:42.48 | HostilePenguin | silicon image software raid sucks too |
| 13:42.54 | liable | hw raid sucks? |
| 13:43.04 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: it's not HW raid ... that's why |
| 13:43.18 | Draconicus | Gyarr! I need sound or I won't have any alarms, among other vital sound things! D: |
| 13:43.25 | HostilePenguin | what isnt HW raid? |
| 13:43.36 | abrotman | the Sil cards |
| 13:43.48 | HostilePenguin | its software right? |
| 13:43.51 | liable | all new mobos with raid.. |
| 13:43.55 | bzed | HostilePenguin: I'd jsut disable the raid stuff on the board and use md |
| 13:43.56 | HostilePenguin | my giga raid is hw |
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| 13:44.06 | liable | abrotman: they do make hw raid cards though |
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| 13:44.32 | abrotman | they do .. |
| 13:44.32 | HostilePenguin | i use my raid with no problems here yet |
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| 13:44.33 | liable | HostilePenguin: onboard? |
| 13:44.42 | abrotman | Sil311x ? |
| 13:44.47 | HostilePenguin | yes |
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| 13:45.16 | bwlang | speaking of RAID... my raid 10 system just lost a disk. /dev/sdd failed last night. Now i need to figure out which physical disk corresponded to /dev/sdd so i can replace it... any suggestions? (this is a crappy box, no individual disk lights) |
| 13:45.17 | liable | HostilePenguin: erm, no, its not hw raid |
| 13:45.29 | HostilePenguin | it is software raid |
| 13:45.51 | HostilePenguin | but the gigabyte raid for ata is hw |
| 13:46.02 | HostilePenguin | sili is for the sata |
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| 13:46.26 | ma3x | liable: you there? |
| 13:46.36 | liable | yes |
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| 13:46.59 | ma3x | liable: somethings wrong with my dvdrom. one time I insert the DVD disc and it works, one time i insert it agaain and it doesnt work |
| 13:47.12 | ma3x | so that's definitely the drives problem, right |
| 13:47.30 | HostilePenguin | if your getting rid of the drive ill take it |
| 13:47.32 | superm1 | jetscreamer, from what it appears, apt-pinning will let me tie it to a particular release, so maybe if the CD has its packages named specifically it might be feasible with apt-pinning |
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| 13:47.42 | liable | ma3x: possibly |
| 13:47.54 | superm1 | s/packages/Release file/ |
| 13:47.57 | Draconicus | Forgot about alsaconf. Thank the gods for .bash_history |
| 13:48.04 | ma3x | liable: what should I do? should I somehow try to clean it? or is it going dead slowly? |
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| 13:48.37 | jetscreamer | superm1: i don't know, was a guess, but it might. not sure. |
| 13:48.49 | jetscreamer | others khnow more than me. |
| 13:49.00 | superm1 | i'll keep toying with it. i'm generated the CD with the packages so I should be able to control release titles and such |
| 13:49.00 | HostilePenguin | it might need dvd vector-fluid |
| 13:49.09 | superm1 | thanks for pointing me in that direction |
| 13:49.26 | liable | ma3x: i dont know of any way to clean em, usually touching the lasers is a big no-no. its hard to really say when you only have one dvd.. |
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| 13:50.10 | jetscreamer | they do have those cleaning discs |
| 13:50.18 | jetscreamer | you just pop them in |
| 13:50.27 | liable | oh, they clean the laser? |
| 13:50.38 | jetscreamer | afaik yes |
| 13:50.50 | liable | htf do they do that? (out of interest) |
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| 13:51.15 | liable | like a fluffy disk or something that polishes it? |
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| 13:51.27 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/search?q=cd+cleaner |
| 13:51.53 | liable | shrug |
| 13:51.56 | jetscreamer | yeah kinda fluffy and you put some liquid drops on it iirc, or just fluffy... i forget |
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| 13:52.29 | ma3x | jetscreamer: is it of any use? |
| 13:52.35 | ma3x | I mean does it help most of the time? |
| 13:52.38 | ma3x | or rarely? |
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| 13:53.11 | liable | you just glue some old towel to an old isk, same thing |
| 13:53.53 | jetscreamer | ma3x: if your drive is dirty it 'could' help |
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| 13:54.01 | ma3x | jetscreamer: would you buy it if you were on my place? |
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| 13:54.24 | petemc | ma3x: didnt you say theres copy protection on the dvd? |
| 13:54.26 | The_Ball_ | in aptitude, when i press _ to purge a package, how can I force all dependencies to be purged as well? |
| 13:54.29 | Knight_Lord | I've got a bit of a problem |
| 13:54.35 | ma3x | petemc: nah, that's not the problem |
| 13:54.43 | petemc | ma3x: how do you know? |
| 13:54.49 | Knight_Lord | Whenever I try to use route, the command just freezes |
| 13:54.56 | jetscreamer | ma3x: the kit is probably at least 10 bucks if not more, which is 1/4 of a new drive... ma3x they do have new copy protection that libdvdcss won't do... |
| 13:55.07 | petemc | Knight_Lord: sometimes it takes a minute for the routes to appear |
| 13:55.10 | jetscreamer | ma3x: try it in a standalone dvd to see if it works |
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| 13:55.24 | Knight_Lord | Actually most command freeze. I don't have a gateway which is a problem because I was using LDAP |
| 13:55.28 | ma3x | jetscreamer: the thing is, sometimes the disc won't even start |
| 13:55.37 | ma3x | and sometime it starts (plays) |
| 13:55.44 | jetscreamer | ma3x: what about other discs |
| 13:55.44 | ma3x | I must eject it a few times |
| 13:55.54 | ma3x | jetscreamer: well I have one more disc, it does the same thing |
| 13:55.59 | jetscreamer | well |
| 13:56.09 | jetscreamer | i'd be looking at the drive if it was me thne |
| 13:56.11 | jetscreamer | then |
| 13:56.20 | ma3x | what can I see about the drive? |
| 13:56.21 | ma3x | its laptop |
| 13:56.26 | ma3x | a new one would be over 100 bucks |
| 13:56.29 | jetscreamer | they come out |
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| 13:56.46 | ma3x | hehe, they come out yes |
| 13:56.52 | ma3x | but a new one comes difficult in |
| 13:57.02 | GhostInTheShell | ma3x: opne the drive, clean the dust with a vacuum cleaner, then clean the laser by hand - it works for my old teac cdrw |
| 13:57.10 | GhostInTheShell | err open |
| 13:57.26 | liable | dont freeak with lazer |
| 13:57.38 | ma3x | I tried to clean it a little bit |
| 13:57.40 | ma3x | it doesnt help |
| 13:57.59 | GhostInTheShell | well then, why don't you hust go buy a new one? |
| 13:58.05 | GhostInTheShell | err just |
| 13:58.05 | ma3x | I mean what use is if you clean the dust in the plastic but not around the laser |
| 13:58.09 | ma3x | that just wont help |
| 13:58.12 | GhostInTheShell | blah, my fingers are not listening to me |
| 13:58.42 | ma3x | new one? like i said its over 100 bucks |
| 13:58.44 | liable | heh |
| 13:59.01 | jetscreamer | used one then |
| 13:59.05 | jelly | ma3x: so buy an old one at eBay |
| 13:59.18 | jetscreamer | iirc the cdrw/dvdr combo's aren't all that expensive |
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| 13:59.29 | ma3x | jetscreamer: external? |
| 13:59.46 | jetscreamer | no i meant the internal ones |
| 13:59.57 | ma3x | 2,5" ? |
| 13:59.59 | jetscreamer | 50-100 though |
| 14:00.01 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 14:00.03 | ma3x | yeah |
| 14:00.06 | jetscreamer | the laptop ones |
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| 14:00.26 | jetscreamer | check ebay maybe |
| 14:00.31 | ma3x | I mean the idea that you buy a laptop and then part of it stops functioning after 4 years, pisses me off |
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| 14:00.35 | jetscreamer | aha |
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| 14:00.47 | jetscreamer | it's not a toshiba is it? |
| 14:00.59 | ma3x | HP with sony cd/dvd combo |
| 14:01.04 | jetscreamer | dvd ram, that's the word... those are expensive |
| 14:01.18 | HostilePenguin | warmed up mcdonalds double cheesburger off the dollar menu breakfast of champions |
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| 14:01.31 | jetscreamer | cold pizza baybee |
| 14:01.33 | ma3x | HostilePenguin: drop that junk food |
| 14:02.00 | liable | pizza isnt junk food |
| 14:02.06 | HostilePenguin | but im having tang with it |
| 14:02.10 | liable | tell that to 15 million italians |
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| 14:02.11 | ma3x | double cheeseburger i meant |
| 14:02.15 | neobsd | hi |
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| 14:02.26 | ma3x | pizza is good |
| 14:02.39 | ma3x | just not if you buy one from the store and then warm it up |
| 14:02.40 | ma3x | that sucks |
| 14:02.47 | GhostInTheShell | agree |
| 14:03.07 | rpmx | Good morning |
| 14:03.13 | ma3x | you're gonna get stomach trouble next 5-24 hours |
| 14:03.27 | HostilePenguin | im sure i will |
| 14:03.33 | GhostInTheShell | ma3x: i never eat that kind of food |
| 14:03.41 | ma3x | what kind of food? |
| 14:03.42 | ma3x | pizza? |
| 14:04.23 | GhostInTheShell | erm, give me some time to formulate and translate it, i'm not so good english speaker :") |
| 14:04.38 | ma3x | never mind |
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| 14:04.46 | GhostInTheShell | a food that you buy from the store and then warm it up |
| 14:04.57 | HostilePenguin | is pci_hotplug part of the hotplug package? |
| 14:05.13 | ma3x | a good friend of mine ate pizzas (store bought and warmed up) every day and he got caecum operated |
| 14:05.20 | rpmx | I have 50 Gb of backup de maildir_data.tar.gz because I used recipient_bcc_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/recipient_bcc |
| 14:05.21 | rpmx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.32 | liable | ma3x: caecum? |
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| 14:05.50 | ma3x | liable: cecum? blind gut? |
| 14:06.08 | liable | never heard of it, /me googles |
| 14:06.11 | rpmx | Howto I to identified email only the one user ? |
| 14:06.39 | ma3x | liable: onelook.com |
| 14:06.57 | HostilePenguin | sounds like a worthwhile operation |
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| 14:07.21 | rpmx | I tried 3 day with the next sentence: zcat backup50GB_Maildirdata.tar.gz | tar -tf - | grep myuser |
| 14:07.22 | ma3x | haha |
| 14:07.32 | ma3x | HostilePenguin: if you don't get it operated in time, you die |
| 14:07.33 | HostilePenguin | did he get his pouche inlarged or sewn tighter |
| 14:07.42 | rpmx | but not work |
| 14:08.11 | HostilePenguin | if you dont get operated on in time for alot of things you die |
| 14:08.17 | ma3x | HostilePenguin: his belly got blown I think, and it hurted like crazy |
| 14:08.45 | jetscreamer | sounds like supersize me |
| 14:08.59 | ma3x | hehe |
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| 14:09.43 | ma3x | that guy made some rocking comments in front of a lot of students |
| 14:09.43 | ma3x | big shame |
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| 14:10.37 | doudou1 | hello, how do i ged ride of deamon portmap? lokk in initd.conf, in rcs.d but it is still here |
| 14:11.08 | liable | doudou1: remove the package, btw, its started from inetd |
| 14:11.26 | doudou1 | there is nothing in inetd.conf |
| 14:11.41 | doudou1 | so aptitude clean portmap will do the job? |
| 14:12.02 | liable | purge, yes |
| 14:12.35 | HostilePenguin | my 2.6.8-3-686 printing and sound machine has been up for 6 days 2:45 definately a record for me |
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| 14:13.10 | ma3x | HostilePenguin: congrats! let's hope skype won't freeze your box |
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| 14:13.27 | neobsd | hi |
| 14:13.39 | RichiH | uptime in home use is overrated |
| 14:13.41 | neobsd | can you help me whit glibc please? |
| 14:13.42 | neobsd | . |
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| 14:13.54 | neobsd | i made apt-get install glibc-devel |
| 14:13.57 | RichiH | unless it is a router or a real server, you are just wasting energy |
| 14:13.58 | neobsd | but had |
| 14:14.05 | neobsd | E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete glibc-devel |
| 14:14.09 | neobsd | why ?? |
| 14:14.12 | neobsd | .. |
| 14:14.13 | HostilePenguin | overrated? thats the dumbest thing ive heard at least today |
| 14:14.14 | ma3x | !debian.es |
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| 14:14.17 | ma3x | !es |
| 14:14.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:14.40 | neobsd | can you help me? |
| 14:14.43 | neobsd | please |
| 14:14.55 | RichiH | neobsd: we do not understand the error message |
| 14:15.07 | RichiH | HostilePenguin: heh, if you say so :) |
| 14:15.13 | jetscreamer | !find glibc-dev |
| 14:15.34 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'glibc-dev' returned no results. |
| 14:15.42 | neobsd | ok, the message translate's Can't found the package glibc-devel |
| 14:15.45 | neobsd | please |
| 14:15.57 | liable | libc6-dev |
| 14:15.58 | HostilePenguin | happy rebooting |
| 14:16.03 | jetscreamer | libc6-dev ? |
| 14:16.10 | neobsd | what command i need for it |
| 14:16.15 | jetscreamer | !info libc6-dev |
| 14:16.20 | dpkg | libc6-dev: (GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (sid), Packaged size: 2652 kB, Installed size: 10676 kB |
| 14:16.26 | jetscreamer | apt-get install <choose> |
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| 14:16.46 | neobsd | ok |
| 14:16.52 | neobsd | i trying |
| 14:17.01 | jetscreamer | neobsd: apt-cache search <searchterm> |
| 14:17.08 | jetscreamer | see also apt-file |
| 14:17.18 | neobsd | it's package have a C compiler, correct ?? |
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| 14:17.37 | bzed | neobsd: I guess you want to install build-essential |
| 14:17.49 | neobsd | ok |
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| 14:17.52 | liable | neobsd: gcc is the compiler |
| 14:17.58 | neobsd | well |
| 14:18.04 | doudou1 | i try aptitude clean portmap, then reboot , portmap deamon is still here |
| 14:18.08 | jetscreamer | neobsd: as far as i know, the -dev packages are for hacking on that package... not sure. |
| 14:18.12 | liable | neobsd: but, as bzed said, you want build-essential |
| 14:18.15 | azeem | doudou1: try aptitude remove portmap |
| 14:18.18 | bzed | doudou1: man apt-get |
| 14:18.21 | jetscreamer | apt-get install build-essential |
| 14:18.32 | azeem | bzed: doudou1 is using aptitude, not apt-get |
| 14:18.39 | liable | doudou1: since when is 'clean' a valid aptitude command? |
| 14:18.41 | jetscreamer | apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev :) |
| 14:18.52 | neobsd | well |
| 14:19.16 | jetscreamer | neobsd: /join #debian-es though |
| 14:19.20 | neobsd | ok...because i've figlet.c:53:19: error: stdio.h: Not found file or directory |
| 14:19.28 | jetscreamer | ah yes |
| 14:19.39 | jetscreamer | !stdio.h |
| 14:19.39 | dpkg | i heard stdio.h is in libc6-dev |
| 14:19.40 | neobsd | i need learn english too please |
| 14:19.43 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 14:19.49 | neobsd | ok |
| 14:19.57 | jetscreamer | apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev libc6-dev |
| 14:19.58 | bzed | neobsd: I think you just want to install figlet |
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| 14:20.17 | jetscreamer | bzed knows more than me probably, it's not hard |
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| 14:20.20 | bzed | neobsd: or is there any reason why you're trying to compile figlet, although there's a package |
| 14:20.23 | stew | jetscreamer: libc6-dev is included in build-essential |
| 14:20.58 | jetscreamer | stew: all i know is everytime i install build-essential explicitly, that's all that gets installed :) |
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| 14:21.37 | RichiH | HostilePenguin: if you were refering to me with the happy rebooting comment, i can not see anything bad in waiting a minute or two for my box to be up when i need it |
| 14:22.31 | jetscreamer | HostilePenguin: hey i know nothing but before you get hostile on him check his cloak... muhahahaha... |
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| 14:24.05 | HostilePenguin | well i dont want to reboot nfs and cups |
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| 14:24.17 | neobsd | well |
| 14:24.34 | jetscreamer | speaking of uptime... should i tell my webhost i want a refund because my bot had 12weeks uptime but now it's gone? :) |
| 14:24.37 | neobsd | i want install xen |
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| 14:25.01 | neobsd | i need compile |
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| 14:25.04 | jetscreamer | !xen |
| 14:25.04 | dpkg | xen is probably an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 14:25.05 | heh_v_water | /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-locale-nb.postrm: line 12: update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: Command not found |
| 14:25.40 | lewis2 | why would 'Writing Makefile for HTML::Parser' return 'NOT OK'? |
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| 14:26.20 | doudou1 | thanks aptitude remove portmap removed portmap daemon. |
| 14:26.23 | bao | im running a standard install of debian. i have a motherboard without satasupport, and i thinking of inserting a sata controller pci-card and set up a raid. how can i know if the satacard will work under debian? |
| 14:26.33 | diskus | jetscreamer: webhost usualy doesn't allow bots |
| 14:26.48 | stew | lewis2: why are you compiling it instead of just installing it with apt-get? |
| 14:27.24 | lewis2 | was following a set of instructions, instead of using my brain |
| 14:27.36 | jetscreamer | diskus: it used to be on rhel4, i got like maybe a week uptime.. then they switched to centos |
| 14:27.38 | stew | lewis2: apt-get install libhtml-parser-perl |
| 14:27.39 | lewis2 | i installed libhtml-parser-perl - that correct? |
| 14:27.44 | stew | lewis2: yes |
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| 14:27.56 | doudou1 | what pda can run fluxbox and debian? asus a730 or hp4700 or other? |
| 14:27.58 | lewis2 | and for 'DB_File' and 'Net::DNS', I think one is libnet-dns-perl |
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| 14:28.18 | stew | lewis2: in general, Foo::Bar will be in libfoo-bar-perl |
| 14:28.32 | liable | bao: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 14:28.40 | lewis2 | thanks - and 'DB_File'? |
| 14:28.50 | stew | lewis2: and if you setup apt-file (/msg dpkg apt-file) you can use apt-file search DB_File.pm |
| 14:29.21 | lewis2 | libdb-file-lock-perl I suppose |
| 14:29.25 | stew | lewis2: DB_File is in the perl package |
| 14:29.50 | lewis2 | ah ok |
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| 14:34.33 | lewis2 | lastly, package for MySQL 5 header files? libmysql++-dev? |
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| 14:35.42 | stew | lewis2: that is specifically for c++, you probably way libmysqlclient??-dev where ?? is either '14' or '15-off' |
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| 14:35.50 | lewis2 | 15 :) |
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| 14:39.59 | Mathiazz | hi |
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| 14:40.22 | Mathiazz | is there a forum about middleware for grid computing somewhere on freenode??? |
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| 14:40.48 | doudou1 | i install debian with the windows debian installer, i got a problem : it begin to install grub for reboot but did not managed to finish to install debian so when i reboot, nothing. If i did not knew fdisk /mbr i would have no computer left |
| 14:41.35 | neobsd | somebody install xen ? |
| 14:41.41 | doudou1 | you should take care about people from debian-fr, they are many stupid people with commands there |
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| 14:41.50 | neobsd | i want install windows 2003 on debian etch |
| 14:41.57 | neobsd | . |
| 14:42.07 | stew | doudou1: i've told you that we can't help you with that. drop it |
| 14:42.50 | doudou1 | stew: it does not matter, it is sufficient for me to explain how stupid they are |
| 14:43.07 | stew | doudou1: please keep it on-topic |
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| 14:43.27 | stew | doudou1: and don't call people stupid in here |
| 14:43.53 | doudou1 | can i install debian with fluxbox on a pda like asus a730 or hp4700 ? or one axim? |
| 14:44.13 | doudou1 | what is best ? |
| 14:44.42 | abrotman | stew: isn't that the same guy you kicked the other day? |
| 14:44.48 | stew | yes |
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| 14:45.21 | h3sp4wn | doudou1: Use one with a keyboard at least or it is not of much use |
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| 14:46.19 | MAXDDARK | hello guys |
| 14:46.22 | DrEaMTRiCK | hihi |
| 14:46.24 | doudou1 | h3sp4wn: yes i think so, but i dont know which one can intall grub, and what kernel will do |
| 14:46.49 | MAXDDARK | when was the latest release released ? |
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| 14:47.00 | abrotman | doudou1: you sohuld ask the channel for the CPU that runs those devices |
| 14:47.03 | abrotman | MAXDDARK: sarge |
| 14:47.09 | MAXDDARK | but when ? |
| 14:47.18 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 14:47.20 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 14:47.30 | stew | MAXDDARK: june 2005, but there have been several revisions since then |
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| 14:48.10 | MAXDDARK | wow... if I want the latest and greatest but stable - what should I choose ? |
| 14:48.22 | c00lfon | Etch. ;) |
| 14:48.26 | MrWup | why THE HELL are servers racks so expenive? |
| 14:48.31 | doudou1 | abrotman: i will wait some time, maybe i will saw some doc |
| 14:48.36 | MrWup | just a couple of bits of metal with holes drilled in em |
| 14:48.47 | MAXDDARK | Etch is testing ? |
| 14:48.50 | c00lfon | Yes. |
| 14:49.05 | MAXDDARK | Gee those names.... ;) |
| 14:49.10 | c00lfon | MAXDDARK, stable=sarge, testing=etch, unstable=sid. ;> |
| 14:49.23 | stew | MAXDDARK: etch should be released within a month: /msg dpkg wwer |
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| 14:50.26 | MAXDDARK | eatch within a month ? but I see the last update was 2 weeks ago |
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| 14:50.55 | MAXDDARK | or do you mean etch will become sarge ? |
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| 14:51.13 | stew | MAXDDARK: no, etch will become stable, sarge will become 'oldstable' |
| 14:51.16 | c00lfon | Etch will become stable. ;) |
| 14:51.21 | helo | sarge will become etch, etch will become sarge, and black will become kinda yellowish-green |
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| 14:52.06 | lewis2 | what will the new testing be called? |
| 14:52.12 | stew | lewis2: lenny |
| 14:52.21 | lewis2 | who was lenny in Toy Story? |
| 14:52.38 | MAXDDARK | gee... so what do I do now ? Ubuntu is very buggy now and I want something else |
| 14:52.50 | c00lfon | Try Kubuntu. ;P |
| 14:52.57 | MAXDDARK | same crap |
| 14:53.00 | helo | yeah stay away from this debian stuff, it's dangerous |
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| 14:53.17 | helo | you're liable to lop of something important |
| 14:53.22 | Ronin | MAXDDARK: why not just run sare |
| 14:53.24 | xsystemx | when compiling kernel in menuconfig, anyone know what option will compile scsi_mod? |
| 14:53.29 | Ronin | damn it i mean debian |
| 14:53.31 | stew | MAXDDARK: install etch: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:53.35 | bao | liable: that faq seems kinda outdated :/ |
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| 14:53.46 | helo | xsystemx: i think the module is sg_mod, if that helps |
| 14:53.58 | MAXDDARK | sarge won't update anymore , and I want all the stable latest updates and packages |
| 14:54.23 | xsystemx | helo - is there a way to go in /usr/src/linux and compile a missing module using gcc ? |
| 14:54.25 | Ronin | MAXDDARK: sarge wont update? |
| 14:55.06 | MAXDDARK | so I've heard...all it's packages are closed so it will stay stable |
| 14:55.06 | MAXDDARK | only security updates |
| 14:55.12 | helo | xsystemx: it is recommended that you use make-kpkg when custom-compiling a kernel |
| 14:55.17 | Ronin | true but thats why its called stable |
| 14:55.17 | petemc | xsystemx: that is possible, yes |
| 14:55.41 | xsystemx | petemc - i cant seem to find my answer on google, would you know how? |
| 14:55.46 | MAXDDARK | but if I want the new releases ? |
| 14:55.50 | petemc | xsystemx: there are a lot of variables |
| 14:56.06 | Ronin | !tell MAXDDARK about backports |
| 14:56.26 | xsystemx | petemc - trying to make TX4000 ide RAID work, and their site says I need scsi_mod "which is currently not compiled" |
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| 14:56.41 | petemc | xsystemx: ive done it on systems where i was using custom kernels, its just a matter of setting the option to M , running make modules modules_install and depmod -a |
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| 14:56.57 | petemc | xsystemx: you cant have that as a module i wouldnt think |
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| 14:57.34 | MAXDDARK | is there a point in getting etch now or should I wait till the next release ? |
| 14:57.47 | stew | MAXDDARK: there is little reason to wait |
| 14:57.58 | MAXDDARK | why ? |
| 14:58.23 | jetscreamer | because that's the way it is |
| 14:58.33 | jetscreamer | either do it now or do it later |
| 14:58.38 | jetscreamer | up2u |
| 14:59.31 | petemc | xsystemx: ask in the channel, i know nothing about ide raid |
| 14:59.43 | stew | MAXDDARK: the major reason that etch hasn't yet been released are these bugs: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch besides fixing those bugs, etch isn't going to change between now and the release, so unless you would be affected by those bugs, there is no real reason to wait |
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| 15:00.41 | xsystemx | Does anyone here know anything about IDE raid? |
| 15:01.23 | xsystemx | mkinitrd -k 2.4.31 -c -r /dev/sda2 -f ext3 -m scsi_mod:ft3xx:sd_mod:jbd:ext3 |
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| 15:01.43 | xsystemx | petemc - just cant seemt o find scsi_mod option in menuconfig |
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| 15:03.14 | MAXDDARK | but that's sounds strange... if I get etch now in a month is will become sarge ??? |
| 15:03.26 | \amethyst | xsystemx: Device drivers -> "SCSI device support" -> "SCSI device support", mark it as a module |
| 15:03.35 | simonrvn | MAXDDARK: no |
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| 15:04.03 | MAXDDARK | is there a GUI installation in etch ? |
| 15:04.05 | \amethyst | MAXDDARK: When it is released, etch will become stable and sarge will become oldstable |
| 15:04.43 | MAXDDARK | so what will be testing ? |
| 15:04.53 | \amethyst | MAXDDARK: testing will begin anew |
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| 15:04.54 | cydork | MAXDDARK: yes.. http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 15:04.58 | jetscreamer | there are 3 branches, stable testing unstable, and 'releases' are assigned a branch... atm sarge etch sid ... etch will move left to stable, lenny will become testing, and sid will stay as is |
| 15:05.04 | cydork | MAXDDARK: the new testing will be lenny |
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| 15:05.52 | MAXDDARK | so I should wait for lenny then ? |
| 15:05.55 | jetscreamer | for after etch is released, if you want stable, put etch in sources... if you want testing, put testing |
| 15:05.56 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 15:06.02 | jetscreamer | well if you want to sure |
| 15:06.08 | jetscreamer | but you don't have to |
| 15:06.10 | \amethyst | No, lenny won't be released for years |
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| 15:06.32 | petemc | not very optimistic |
| 15:06.39 | cydork | petemc: :) |
| 15:06.50 | jetscreamer | if you want to go testing atm but stay etch when etch goes out of testing into stable, put etch. |
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| 15:07.43 | jetscreamer | just put etch NOW |
| 15:07.48 | stew | MAXDDARK: there is no reason to wait for lenny, you can always upgrade later |
| 15:07.49 | jetscreamer | figure it out later |
| 15:07.56 | jetscreamer | or dont |
| 15:07.58 | MAXDDARK | as always I'm in the middle of some major release when I want to try something else |
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| 15:08.20 | stew | MAXDDARK: there is no reason the release needs to affect you |
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| 15:08.43 | stew | MAXDDARK: just install etch, there is no reason you would notice anything changing when it releases as stable |
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| 15:09.19 | MAXDDARK | but will I get the updates even when they are not security ? |
| 15:09.48 | stew | MAXDDARK: no, the only updated to etch at this point would be security or RC bugs |
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| 15:10.30 | stew | MAXDDARK: however you can install etch and use "testing" in sources.list instead of "etch" then once etch releases, you will instantly be running lenny, and you will start to get all of the lenny updates |
| 15:11.15 | MAXDDARK | ok, great |
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| 15:11.31 | MAXDDARK | why doesn't Debian has a lice cd/dvd ? |
| 15:11.35 | MAXDDARK | live |
| 15:11.44 | stew | MAXDDARK: it's in progress: http://live.debian.net |
| 15:12.30 | MAXDDARK | other question... has anyone tried a different file system from ext3 ? |
| 15:12.44 | stew | MAXDDARK: lots of people |
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| 15:13.40 | trelane | is there a document which better describes --assume-yes --force-yes --trivial-only than the apt-get.8 manpage? I am attempting to automate apt-get upgrade on machines running debian stable |
| 15:13.44 | simonrvn | this host is all jfs, e.g. |
| 15:13.59 | c00lfon | trelane, use cron-apt? ;P |
| 15:14.10 | MAXDDARK | well, what is best for big files and lots of small files, if I delete and copy many files... |
| 15:14.10 | MAXDDARK | what is best for it ? |
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| 15:14.15 | simonrvn | trelane: there's a package for that, can't recall the name. and hi there :) |
| 15:14.19 | trelane | c00lfon, cron-apt only tests and e-mails you a list of packages |
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| 15:14.31 | c00lfon | O_o, so I'm sorry. Use -y. ;) |
| 15:14.56 | cydork | trelane: that's the default behavior. and there is apticron too! |
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| 15:15.06 | simonrvn | trelane: it might be sitting in experimental, unless it got pushed down to sid/etch already |
| 15:15.13 | trelane | c00lfon, that will force yes to everything and I don't want config files overwritten |
| 15:15.24 | cydork | trelane: and it's default for good reason :) |
| 15:15.33 | MAXDDARK | is ZFS available yet ? |
| 15:15.51 | trelane | cydork, no disagreement there since there's no option to run the upgrade without either breaking apt or screwing up config giles |
| 15:15.54 | valdyn | MAXDDARK: no |
| 15:15.56 | cydork | MAXDDARK: for linux? cant for few years i guess! |
| 15:16.14 | trelane | MAXDDARK, you're going to have to wait for the developer to kill their ex wife... |
| 15:16.16 | MAXDDARK | wow why ? I thought the already released the source |
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| 15:16.31 | valdyn | MAXDDARK: you can port zfs to linux, feel free |
| 15:16.34 | cydork | MAXDDARK: licensing issues.. |
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| 15:16.54 | MAXDDARK | but sun has GPLed t,...I think |
| 15:17.09 | valdyn | MAXDDARK: porting a filesystem isnt trivial... |
| 15:17.20 | h3sp4wn | MAXDDARK: There is a fuse version of it - freebsd will get it soon (as the license is not incompatible with theres) |
| 15:17.23 | valdyn | MAXDDARK: so even if it was GPL it would not yet exist for linux, most likely |
| 15:17.45 | cydork | MAXDDARK: it's CDDL afaik! |
| 15:17.47 | MAXDDARK | so what is the next best thing ? |
| 15:17.59 | valdyn | MAXDDARK: ext3 is best for you |
| 15:18.15 | MAXDDARK | it is very slow with many small files |
| 15:18.24 | limpio | i need the location of a file that lists the colors for use in a terminal, all kinds of colors, i had it once but lost it. I tried with 'locate colors' but no luck. |
| 15:18.27 | valdyn | MAXDDARK: so ? do you have many very small files? |
| 15:18.38 | valdyn | MAXDDARK: what's 'very slow' anyway? |
| 15:18.41 | MAXDDARK | in some directories I do |
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| 15:19.29 | \amethyst | trelane: you could dpkg-reconfigure debconf, and select the noninteractive front-end, which will choose the default answer to debconf questions |
| 15:19.33 | MAXDDARK | what about JFS and XFS... what they are good for ? |
| 15:19.56 | h3sp4wn | MAXDDARK: Is it a build system or anything like that (i.e that you need to make clean often to check stuff ?) - if it is xfs is very slow for that |
| 15:20.16 | trelane | \amethyst, are there any cases you're aware of where the defualt answer is to replace the existing config? |
| 15:20.17 | valdyn | MAXDDARK: xfs is for large and very reliable server hardware, jfs isn't used much at all on linux |
| 15:20.35 | stew | MAXDDARK: xfs shouldn't be used if you might have power failures |
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| 15:20.38 | unlink | what's up with this machine's ssh? any time i scp/rsync/ssh to it, after a certain amount of data transfer, it closes the connection. other connections (http for example) do not close after any amount of data transfer |
| 15:20.51 | valdyn | unlink: that's your router |
| 15:20.56 | valdyn | unlink: ssh has nothing to do with it |
| 15:20.59 | MAXDDARK | and reiserfs...? |
| 15:21.10 | h3sp4wn | MAXDDARK: I am using jfs on my desktop and it has been reasonably ok (I would say for me its worth the potential slight extra risk) |
| 15:21.16 | unlink | valdyn: there is no router involved here |
| 15:21.21 | stew | MAXDDARK: reiserfs appears buggier than most filesystems |
| 15:21.25 | stew | !ricerfs |
| 15:21.25 | dpkg | well, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 15:21.53 | valdyn | MAXDDARK: there's no reason to not use ext3 so far, according to what you are telling, and ext3 is the best tested |
| 15:21.55 | trelane | !who killed nina reiser |
| 15:21.56 | trelane | err |
| 15:22.09 | valdyn | MAXDDARK: reiserfs is fine though.. |
| 15:22.10 | MAXDDARK | when ext4 be released ? |
| 15:22.10 | trelane | (I'm sorry hans reiser bashing is a hobby, I shall henceforth restrain myself) |
| 15:22.14 | trelane | MAXDDARK, soon |
| 15:22.21 | trelane | I don't think it will be in etch though |
| 15:22.34 | MAXDDARK | will the updrage delete all my files ? (from ext3) |
| 15:22.37 | cydork | MAXDDARK: ask in ##linux :P |
| 15:22.39 | MAXDDARK | to ext4 |
| 15:22.40 | jelly | does anyone know of elm packages for Debian? |
| 15:22.47 | trelane | MAXDDARK, I don't know, you'd have to ask the maintainers |
| 15:22.49 | unlink | valdyn: it's workstation <-> switch <-> server |
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| 15:22.59 | MAXDDARK | ok, thanks |
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| 15:23.08 | valdyn | unlink: there must be a router in between. |
| 15:23.09 | unlink | valdyn: and it only happens with this one machine, and only ssh/sftp |
| 15:23.12 | trelane | MAXDDARK, why are you worried about it, the difference in performance and fucntionality between flesystems is pretty minimal |
| 15:23.12 | unlink | valdyn: there isn't |
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| 15:23.31 | jelly | trelane: er, not? |
| 15:23.34 | MAXDDARK | it's a great IRC channel |
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| 15:23.39 | valdyn | unlink: ssh has the unique property of a connection persisting while there's no data transfered at all |
| 15:23.49 | MAXDDARK | you have been very helpful |
| 15:23.52 | stew | unlink: the two machines are on the same physical network? |
| 15:23.55 | unlink | valdyn: in that case, the connection doesn't close |
| 15:23.57 | unlink | stew: yes |
| 15:24.06 | trelane | jello, for an advanced user, no, but with a predjudice towards MAXDDARK's current skill level, I am concerned about his attitude towards filesystems being similar to Gentoo's early attitude towards compilers |
| 15:24.25 | jelly | trelane: ya, I see where you're coming frmo |
| 15:24.28 | trelane | jello, "ooh wow flags! lets enable all of them and make it faster!" |
| 15:24.41 | jelly | also jello != jelly |
| 15:25.02 | trelane | and that sir depends on how much pectin you put in. |
| 15:25.02 | xsystemx | Anyone here ever compiled a kernel for RAID or scsi support? |
| 15:25.19 | trelane | xsystemx, yes, make sure you either compile the correct module in or have your initramfs set up correctly |
| 15:25.52 | stew | xsystemx: sure, lots of people. and the stock kernels support RAID and scsi, so usually you wouldn't need to compile a kernel anyway |
| 15:25.53 | unlink | stew: there is only a switch between them |
| 15:25.57 | cydork | xsystemx: why compile? |
| 15:26.02 | jelly | there are no jellying agents here, no sir |
| 15:26.22 | trelane | right but if there was additional jellying you would be jello |
| 15:26.32 | trelane | is basically my point |
| 15:26.41 | xand | jelly is a dessert |
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| 15:26.50 | xand | jello is a brand name for it |
| 15:26.50 | trelane | xand, other way around :) |
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| 15:27.00 | xand | no |
| 15:27.07 | xand | jello is an american brand of jelly |
| 15:27.09 | xsystemx | stew - I am missing scsi_mod.o that I currently need... |
| 15:27.09 | trelane | gelatin is a dessert, jello is a brand name, jelly is spread on tost |
| 15:27.12 | \amethyst | unlink: Any messages in the logs? Have you tried setting LogLevel=DEBUG |
| 15:27.13 | trelane | toast |
| 15:27.21 | stew | xsystemx: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:27.25 | trelane | jello is an american brand of flavored gelatin |
| 15:27.29 | jelly | /nick marmalade |
| 15:27.32 | xand | trelane: only in american. |
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| 15:27.39 | MBH | hallo |
| 15:27.43 | MBH | gibts hier auch deutsche |
| 15:27.44 | MBH | leute |
| 15:27.46 | MBH | oder niht |
| 15:27.47 | jelly | !de |
| 15:27.47 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 15:27.49 | valdyn | !de |
| 15:27.51 | trelane | xand, gelatin is called jelly overseas? |
| 15:27.51 | xsystemx | stew - 2.4.x |
| 15:27.54 | MBH | hm |
| 15:27.55 | xand | trelane: no! |
| 15:27.56 | MBH | !de |
| 15:27.59 | unlink | \amethyst: debug3 haha |
| 15:28.00 | \amethyst | trelane: "jelly" is a gelatine-based desert elsewhere in the world |
| 15:28.01 | MBH | doesnt work |
| 15:28.02 | unlink | \amethyst: nothing |
| 15:28.09 | zamuro | !tell MBH about de |
| 15:28.09 | MBH | d! |
| 15:28.10 | trelane | \amethyst, clear, thanks! :) |
| 15:28.16 | stew | xsystemx: what is the output of "uname -r" ? |
| 15:28.18 | MBH | yes tell me about de |
| 15:28.22 | \amethyst | unlink: what about on the client side? |
| 15:28.29 | xand | trelane: it's spelt gelatine here and it's a chemical made from cows... there are various other gelling agents that you can use to make jelly (which is a dessert) |
| 15:28.35 | xand | american "jelly" is called jam. |
| 15:28.47 | \amethyst | what about american jam? :) |
| 15:28.50 | stew | xsystemx: jelly and jam are different, jelly is made from only juice, jam has fruit |
| 15:28.54 | stew | xand: ^^ |
| 15:28.56 | jelly | so funky jam is jam gone bad? |
| 15:28.57 | MBH | what you mean with !de |
| 15:29.04 | MBH | im new here |
| 15:29.06 | trelane | xand, depends, therei s jelly, jam, and preserves, all of which have different consistancies |
| 15:29.14 | valdyn | !test |
| 15:29.15 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 15:29.15 | xand | no, jam includes them all in uk english |
| 15:29.17 | valdyn | !de |
| 15:29.17 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 15:29.19 | MBH | !test |
| 15:29.24 | \amethyst | xand: aha |
| 15:29.25 | valdyn | MBH: ^^^ read what dpkg said |
| 15:29.28 | stew | xand: jelly is becoming rare since it is expensive to make (requiring all juice) |
| 15:29.31 | MBH | ok wait |
| 15:29.38 | xand | stew: jelly is a dessert |
| 15:29.46 | stew | xand: sometimes, not always |
| 15:29.53 | xand | in common usage. |
| 15:30.05 | MBH | AHH , thanks!!! |
| 15:30.06 | xand | people would call what you call jelly, jam |
| 15:30.10 | trelane | :-p |
| 15:30.17 | unlink | \amethyst: http://trevorcaira.com/ssh-vv.txt |
| 15:30.28 | valdyn | jelly really describes the consitency of anything.. |
| 15:30.32 | xand | and we call jelly, you'd call jello |
| 15:30.35 | jelly | !confuse me |
| 15:30.35 | dpkg | No, those are your pants today, jelly? pants of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 15:30.35 | valdyn | !dict jelly |
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| 15:30.38 | dpkg | Dictionary 'jelly' (4 of 10): make into jelly; "jellify a liquid" ;; Jelly powder, an explosive, composed of nitroglycerin and collodion cotton; -- so called from its resemblance to calf's-foot jelly. ;; Jelly mold, a mold for forming jelly in ornamental shapes. ;; an edible jelly (sweet or pungent) made with gelatin and used as a dessert or salad base or a coating for foods. |
| 15:30.41 | xand | and i dont know what you'd call what we call gelatine |
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| 15:30.59 | \amethyst | unlink: and nothing in the server logs about closing the connection? |
| 15:31.03 | unlink | \amethyst: the command is dd if=/dev/zero | ssh -vv kappa 'cat >/dev/null' 2>&1 | tee asdf |
| 15:31.05 | xand | (which is disgusting) |
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| 15:34.01 | \amethyst | got any larks' tongues? |
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| 15:35.00 | eilker | i am kubuntu user, i changed my os to debian. but nothing new to me . i feel i am still on kubuntu. do i lose something ? i was assuming something new |
| 15:35.05 | neobsd | please |
| 15:35.10 | neobsd | i compiling my kernel |
| 15:35.17 | neobsd | and have it's error |
| 15:35.18 | neobsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.19 | stew | eilker: please go to #ubuntu or #kubuntu for support for kubuntu |
| 15:35.29 | neobsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.39 | neobsd | why ? |
| 15:35.42 | stew | neobsd: you aren't compiling your kernel then, what are you compiling? |
| 15:35.47 | eilker | stew: did u read what i wrote ? |
| 15:35.48 | unlink | \amethyst: http://trevorcaira.com/sshd-debug3.txt |
| 15:35.56 | tomdick | eilker: kubuntu is based on debian. it's natural for there to be similarities |
| 15:36.02 | neobsd | i install xen |
| 15:36.18 | stew | eilker: yes. and kubuntu isn't something we support here. if you want support for kubuntu go to #kubuntu. If you want to install debian: "/msg dpkg ig" "/msg dpkg d-i" |
| 15:36.24 | neobsd | in the install make changes on the kernel |
| 15:36.33 | neobsd | download the kernel |
| 15:36.35 | jelly | stew: he isn't running kubuntu? |
| 15:36.37 | neobsd | compile.... |
| 15:36.39 | neobsd | but |
| 15:36.47 | cydork | stew: he is using debian .. |
| 15:36.49 | neobsd | in the final line show |
| 15:36.51 | eilker | stew: so you read and dont understand, i am not looking for support |
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| 15:36.56 | neobsd | make: *** [install-tools] Error 2 |
| 15:37.02 | stew | eilker: how did you install debian? |
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| 15:37.09 | stew | dronx: which cd did you install from ? |
| 15:37.11 | neobsd | i see somes errors |
| 15:37.12 | neobsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.12 | stew | eilker: ^^ |
| 15:37.15 | j0wbl4ck | hello guys |
| 15:37.18 | neobsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.19 | eilker | stew: debian etch |
| 15:37.28 | eilker | stew: first 3 cd |
| 15:37.28 | neobsd | . |
| 15:37.33 | neobsd | can you help me ? |
| 15:37.35 | astronaute | hello ! how to decompress .war on debian please ? need utility jar i suppose ? apt-get instal jar can't find it |
| 15:37.51 | \amethyst | unlink: strange.... The only other thing I can think of is to run a packet analyzer |
| 15:37.51 | \amethyst | astronaute: unzip will work |
| 15:37.51 | stew | eilker: i'm sorry. i must have misunderstood then. i thought you were trying to switch a kubuntu install in place to a debian install which isn't supported here |
| 15:37.51 | eilker | stew: i installed kde too, i have both at the moment |
| 15:37.52 | j0wbl4ck | how to format partition in console mode for instalation if variant gnu/linux -> Debian? |
| 15:37.55 | \amethyst | astronaute: .jar files are really zips |
| 15:38.02 | unlink | \amethyst: so, i don't know what's causing this, particularly because it only happens with this host, and all my machines run debian, and it only happens with ssh |
| 15:38.05 | astronaute | oh ok ill try then |
| 15:38.07 | stew | astronaute: unzip /path/to/jar |
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| 15:38.20 | tomdick | is there something special i need to do to get core dumps when software segfaults? |
| 15:38.22 | eilker | stew: because of that, i asked if u read or not , no problem :) |
| 15:38.26 | jelly | neobsd: sounds like you're missing some -dev packages. On etch, maybe libx11-dev and zlib1g-dev |
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| 15:38.34 | \amethyst | tomdick: ulimit -c unlimited |
| 15:38.37 | astronaute | it works thank you mates |
| 15:38.38 | neobsd | ok |
| 15:38.51 | j0wbl4ck | how to format partition in console mode for instalation if variant gnu/linux -> Debian? |
| 15:38.53 | j0wbl4ck | :( |
| 15:38.53 | \amethyst | tomdick: from the same shell you run the program from |
| 15:39.03 | neobsd | i try libx11-dev and zlib1g-dev |
| 15:39.03 | stew | neobsd: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 15:39.07 | tomdick | as root i presume? |
| 15:39.14 | j0wbl4ck | y |
| 15:39.58 | lewis2 | is 'openssl dev package' the same as libcurl-openssl-dev? |
| 15:40.01 | neobsd | i installing xen |
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| 15:40.15 | tomdick | \amethyst: not as root. thanks. |
| 15:40.20 | neobsd | and in one step ... i made : make dist |
| 15:40.32 | \amethyst | tomdick: by default only a soft limit is set |
| 15:40.33 | neobsd | and my system down the kernek |
| 15:40.38 | neobsd | and compile it |
| 15:40.40 | \amethyst | tomdick: so, yeah, you don't need root |
| 15:40.59 | \amethyst | lewis2: no it's not |
| 15:41.03 | stew | neobsd: compiling the kenrel would definately not require openssl |
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| 15:41.31 | \amethyst | lewis2: libssl-dev |
| 15:41.33 | lewis2 | ok |
| 15:42.14 | neobsd | the XEN's installation compile the kernel |
| 15:42.57 | tomdick | lewis2: when looking for packages do an 'aptitude search <packagename> | grep <filter>' you can find a lot that way |
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| 15:43.34 | stew | neobsd: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:43.44 | neobsd | etch |
| 15:43.47 | tomdick | i guess if you know <packagename> that whole step is kind of unnecessary... |
| 15:43.52 | xsystemx | stew - 2.4.33.3 |
| 15:43.53 | stew | neobsd: why don't you just apt-get install a xen kernel? |
| 15:43.54 | lewis2 | I was doing 'apt-cache search openssl-dev' and not just 'ssl-dev' |
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| 15:44.23 | neobsd | you give me .... apt-get install xen ?? |
| 15:44.32 | tomdick | lewis2: yeah, try the more generic names first |
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| 15:45.00 | stew | neobsd: apt-cache search linux image xen |
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| 15:45.16 | neobsd | why? |
| 15:45.21 | neobsd | for ?? |
| 15:45.34 | stew | neobsd: or read one of the guides here: http://www.debian-administration.org/?search=xen&go=Go |
| 15:45.35 | neobsd | i need install windows 2003 in debian ethc |
| 15:45.45 | stew | oh |
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| 15:46.27 | petemc | neobsd: you have vt or pacifica processor? |
| 15:46.52 | neobsd | umm it's intel |
| 15:46.56 | stew | xsystemx: why not just upgrade to a debian 2.6 kernel? |
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| 15:47.03 | neobsd | how know about it ? |
| 15:47.06 | petemc | neobsd: what processor? |
| 15:47.17 | petemc | neobsd: cat /proc/cpuinfo - look for vt |
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| 15:47.41 | petemc | i think |
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| 15:48.04 | neobsd | ok....i try. |
| 15:48.11 | HostilePenguin | when i log into my server with ssh do i have to be there as root ? |
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| 15:48.51 | neobsd | i dont see vt |
| 15:48.51 | aadil | HostilePenguin, not really |
| 15:49.01 | neobsd | i made cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:49.09 | bzed | neobsd: which cpu do you have? |
| 15:49.16 | neobsd | processor : 0 |
| 15:49.17 | bzed | jelly: the T60 has a c2d |
| 15:49.21 | bzed | !paste |
| 15:49.21 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 15:49.22 | neobsd | vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
| 15:49.42 | neobsd | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz |
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| 15:49.56 | neobsd | cpu MHz : 3192.198 |
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| 15:50.03 | bzed | STOP IT neobsd |
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| 15:50.10 | neobsd | ok |
| 15:50.11 | \amethyst | neobsd: Flags is the important part, but put the whole thing in a pastebin |
| 15:50.16 | dustybin | im thinking about installing webmail on my server, what do u guys think of 'squirrelmail' ? |
| 15:50.36 | bzed | dustybin: not very comfortable, but ti works |
| 15:50.42 | neobsd | ok ... |
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| 15:50.45 | petemc | neobsd: is there vmx ? |
| 15:50.48 | dustybin | bzed what would u use ? |
| 15:50.51 | Mithrylsword | not very comfortable , lol ! |
| 15:51.21 | xjkx | whats the best debian version to a duron 700mhz with 64 mb of memory trying to use openoffice-basic/ |
| 15:51.23 | bzed | neobsd: that one doesn't support virtualization in hardware, I'm not even sure you can run windows in xen on it. |
| 15:51.34 | neobsd | ummm |
| 15:51.35 | petemc | xjkx: that would be painful |
| 15:51.40 | neobsd | i dont see vmx |
| 15:51.43 | HostilePenguin | debian:~# is where i end up under ssh |
| 15:51.44 | xjkx | :s |
| 15:51.45 | dustybin | could anyone tell me the software used for this webmail client? |
| 15:51.46 | dustybin | https://email.secureserver.net/login.php |
| 15:51.48 | astronaute | someone can maybe help me with my tomcat server on debian, i decompressed the sample app but it refuse to work : http://astronaute.net/_temp/javatest/ |
| 15:51.53 | bzed | xjkx: that doesn;t depend on the version, it's painful with all of them |
| 15:51.58 | petemc | windows in xen needs the virt extensions |
| 15:52.03 | neobsd | what's the page pastebin ? |
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| 15:52.12 | xjkx | bzed, should i use windows on this machine? |
| 15:52.18 | xjkx | office runs ok |
| 15:52.18 | petemc | neobsd: you may try qemu or vmware |
| 15:52.26 | bzed | dustybin: well, not sure. I think for private stuff I'd just use squirrelmail. |
| 15:52.28 | xjkx | on w98 |
| 15:52.44 | cydork | xjkx: abiword will run properly i guess. |
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| 15:52.49 | bzed | xjkx: lol no. you're probably using office97 or so? |
| 15:53.12 | neobsd | Query failure: Can't open file: 'pastebin.MYI'. (errno: 145) |
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| 15:53.20 | bzed | xjkx: openoffice is more like... office 2003 ;) a bit heavy. you want to use abiword, or probably jsut use latex |
| 15:53.39 | bzed | neobsd: use pastebin.ca or so |
| 15:53.47 | aadil | astronaute, what did u do exactly? |
| 15:53.52 | aadil | and how u installed tomcat? |
| 15:53.56 | bzed | neobsd: but windows won;t work on your machine in xen. you'd need to use vmware or parallels |
| 15:53.58 | petemc | neobsd: the flag you're looking for in /proc/cpuinfo is "vmx" , not vt |
| 15:54.10 | astronaute | aadil I installed tomcat after jdk (tomcat 6.0.10 jdk 1.6) |
| 15:54.22 | astronaute | and create run script ini /etc/init.d/tomcat |
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| 15:54.24 | aadil | xjkx, i highly recommend damn small linux |
| 15:54.31 | aadil | especially for a machine with ur configuration |
| 15:54.36 | astronaute | aadil so i launched it after some path issues as usual |
| 15:54.37 | \amethyst | neobsd: You could try running Linux under Windows using Virtual Server EE, if that will run without vmx |
| 15:54.39 | xsystemx | stew - RAID card driver not compatible with 2.6 |
| 15:54.54 | astronaute | aadil and now i took sample app .war, decompressed it in this test folder, and here I am |
| 15:55.00 | aadil | gtk1 has never been more beautiful amidst all those xgl and gtk2 thingies |
| 15:55.02 | aadil | :) |
| 15:55.07 | neobsd | um |
| 15:55.26 | aadil | astronaute, ah ok - i dont use tomcat 6 |
| 15:55.29 | aadil | dunno how it works |
| 15:55.33 | aadil | i used 5.xx |
| 15:55.35 | stew | xsystemx: that sucks. note that 2.4 won't be officially supported in etch. i'd think just adding "scsi support" should enable scsi_mod |
| 15:55.36 | aadil | use* |
| 15:55.37 | neobsd | i need that debian host |
| 15:55.48 | neobsd | and that windows os gues |
| 15:56.00 | petemc | neobsd: so use qemu or vmware |
| 15:56.06 | neobsd | ok |
| 15:56.18 | aadil | neobsd, u tried googling for other virtualization software? |
| 15:56.24 | xsystemx | stew - ok, ill try that then |
| 15:56.25 | aadil | like the Bochs emulator? |
| 15:56.26 | neobsd | why i can't use xen ? |
| 15:56.28 | aadil | for eg |
| 15:56.35 | aadil | coz ur not zen enuff |
| 15:56.38 | aadil | :p |
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| 15:56.49 | astronaute | aadil and for 5 maybe its similar ? |
| 15:56.51 | \amethyst | neobsd: because Xen doesn't support Windows as a guest unless you have hardware virtualization support |
| 15:56.55 | aixing | how can I find out what program is listening to port 25? I have stopped my mailserver (qmail) but when I run "netstat -a | grep smtp" I still get a response |
| 15:57.12 | SlayerXP | aixing: lsof |
| 15:57.13 | Supaplex | lsof |
| 15:57.14 | \amethyst | neobsd: because doing so requires changes Windows, and they don't have the license to distribute those changes |
| 15:57.28 | aixing | thanks |
| 15:57.29 | aadil | astronaute, i dont know - when u install version 5x there are already pages with JSP and servlet examples when u browse to http://localhost:8080 |
| 15:57.30 | \amethyst | neobsd: s/changes W/changing W/ |
| 15:57.41 | aadil | so u dont need to get a test app |
| 15:57.47 | astronaute | aadil it is not on local host its on dedicated server |
| 15:57.49 | neobsd | ok |
| 15:57.53 | Supaplex | aixing: are the ports listening? they could be stale sockets |
| 15:58.06 | aixing | ya they are listening |
| 15:58.09 | aadil | astronaute, replace it with http://ip:8080 then |
| 15:58.16 | astronaute | ok i try |
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| 15:58.25 | aadil | i said with version 5x |
| 15:58.36 | aadil | i dont know how it is with version 6x |
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| 15:58.50 | astronaute | aadil : http://astronaute.net:8080/_temp/javatest/ look |
| 15:59.07 | astronaute | aadil where to specify my real web root ? maybe that is the problem |
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| 15:59.46 | aadil | astronaute, is mod_jk working fine? |
| 16:00.14 | astronaute | aadil I didnt installed it :/ forgot lol with all those tomcat and jdk pathing |
| 16:00.19 | astronaute | i think that is the pb |
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| 16:00.34 | aadil | heh |
| 16:00.51 | aadil | without mod_jk apache and tomcat dont know how to communicate with each other |
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| 16:01.23 | neobsd | so, XEN need hardware compatibility ?? |
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| 16:01.31 | neobsd | correct? |
| 16:01.35 | petemc | neobsd: to run unmodified guests, yes |
| 16:01.41 | \amethyst | aixing: also, netstat has a -p option to show you the process ID |
| 16:01.42 | neobsd | ok |
| 16:01.56 | TTimo | hello. how should I proceed when I get "subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1" (samba 3.0.24-5) ? |
| 16:02.27 | \amethyst | Xen can run Linux guests using old hardware, because there's a version of Linux that has been ported to Xen |
| 16:02.49 | neobsd | some guide quickly to windows 2003 virtualization's on debian ??? |
| 16:03.01 | neobsd | are you know ? |
| 16:03.07 | petemc | neobsd: qemu and vmware, for the third time |
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| 16:03.30 | \amethyst | neobsd: have you looked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines |
| 16:03.32 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 16:03.44 | neobsd | ok |
| 16:03.46 | neobsd | sorry |
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| 16:04.28 | astronaute | aadil ok right, jk2 for apache2 installed and running, apache2 restarted, anything else ? |
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| 16:05.09 | aadil | jk2? |
| 16:05.22 | aadil | didnt u install mod_jk? |
| 16:05.27 | aadil | :) |
| 16:06.00 | aadil | install apache, test apache, install java, test java, install tomcat, test tomcat, install mod_jk, test mod_jk |
| 16:06.08 | aadil | that's the steps in correct order |
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| 16:08.20 | lontra | CD#1 is all i need for the gnome desktop? |
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| 16:09.22 | xjkx | "<bzed> xjkx: lol no. you're probably using office97 or so?" |
| 16:09.31 | xjkx | Yes, and i think openoffice should have an old old too |
| 16:09.36 | xjkx | To older machines |
| 16:09.53 | petemc | i dont think thats OOo's aim |
| 16:10.04 | petemc | there are other slimline word processors |
| 16:10.18 | xjkx | such as? |
| 16:10.23 | petemc | xjkx: 64meg ram + X = :( |
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| 16:10.52 | aadil | my corel linux 2.0 works nice on a 64M RAM |
| 16:10.56 | aadil | ^^ |
| 16:11.21 | petemc | i have a 386 with 4meg ram that works |
| 16:11.27 | bzed | xjkx: as you were told before - abiword for example. |
| 16:11.28 | petemc | its not much use tho |
| 16:11.44 | bzed | xjkx: or use lyx (or any other latex-frontend) and latex |
| 16:12.01 | xjkx | My father needs an *offce, he doesnt care if its linux windows small linux or any crazy distribution |
| 16:12.03 | aadil | petemc, u can use it to monitor other machines |
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| 16:12.11 | aadil | or use it for pentest |
| 16:12.12 | aadil | :) |
| 16:12.17 | xjkx | I'd rather want him to use linux |
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| 16:12.38 | petemc | i cant imagine how productive he'll be on a machine with those specs |
| 16:12.48 | petemc | but maybe thats just me |
| 16:12.50 | aadil | he'd be more productive with pron |
| 16:12.55 | aadil | ;) |
| 16:13.10 | aadil | (that's just me too) |
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| 16:13.25 | \amethyst | xjkx: on my system, running oowriter gives a resident size of 73MB, abiword gives 25MB |
| 16:13.27 | xjkx | he's produtive on win98 :< |
| 16:13.41 | petemc | xjkx: it might be worth using that then |
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| 16:14.04 | xjkx | abiword does a lot of office things? |
| 16:14.18 | petemc | no, its a word processor |
| 16:14.47 | \amethyst | Just word processing. Try gnumeric for a spreadsheet |
| 16:14.48 | xjkx | like kate? lol |
| 16:14.48 | TTimo | how should I proceed when I get "subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1" (samba 3.0.24-5) ? |
| 16:14.49 | lunitik | xjkx: no... like MS Word |
| 16:15.13 | xjkx | uhmm |
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| 16:15.32 | drako | petemc, forget about X windows |
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| 16:15.46 | petemc | i forgot about X windows, drako |
| 16:16.05 | stew | TTimo: you can edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba.postrm and add a line "set -x" after the #!/bin/sh line and try again. "set -x" will make it show you waht commands it is running, which should tell you what it fails on |
| 16:16.21 | lewis2 | how do I generate a new SSL certificate for apache2? |
| 16:16.33 | lunitik | Really ought to get more RAM though |
| 16:16.49 | petemc | lewis2: there are scripts to do it, or you can use openssl directly |
| 16:16.51 | lunitik | Not like RAM is expensive these days |
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| 16:17.11 | HostilePenguin | i want to run a remote xsession how if x is already running on remote machine? |
| 16:17.26 | stew | !self-signed ssl key |
| 16:17.26 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 16:17.27 | TTimo | stew: thanks! |
| 16:17.51 | Ryushin | Is it just me, or is the file that generates ssl certs for apache2 misssing in etch? apache2-ssl-certificate doesn't exist anymore. |
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| 16:19.18 | petemc | Ryushin: its installed on a sid box i have, from apache2-common |
| 16:20.06 | TTimo | I think it's that rlinetd horror |
| 16:20.25 | hark | Ryushin: yes, it's no longer there afaik |
| 16:20.42 | \amethyst | Ryushin: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-apache@lists.debian.org/msg08245.html |
| 16:21.49 | Ryushin | amethyst: Okay, I'll generate one manually. No big deal. But the neophytes are going to have problems with it being gone. |
| 16:22.24 | aadil | the neophytes will have to adapt emselves |
| 16:22.25 | aadil | :) |
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| 16:24.02 | js_ | how do the new xeons perform on the amd64 arch compared to opterons? |
| 16:24.06 | Ryushin | aadil: Yea, well, hopefully they'll get a clue. |
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| 16:24.44 | aadil | Ryushin, amen |
| 16:24.46 | aadil | :p |
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| 16:26.28 | intruder | bitchx quit messages are insane |
| 16:26.56 | petemc | s/insane/inane/ |
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| 16:27.28 | aadil | :S |
| 16:27.44 | stew | :P Ignoring ALL from QUITS [-regexp -pattern (BitchX|BX)] |
| 16:27.48 | stew | err |
| 16:27.52 | stew | that was the wrong one |
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| 16:29.48 | heh_v_water | could somebody point me to the debian channel for norway please |
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| 16:30.53 | valdyn | !no |
| 16:30.53 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 16:30.58 | valdyn | !norge |
| 16:31.03 | valdyn | oo |
| 16:31.13 | valdyn | !norway |
| 16:31.14 | dpkg | norway is probably a country in Scandinavia. A beer costs EUR 1,80 there. The capital of Norway is Oslo. And yes norway isn't a member of the EU, or a great skiing nation, or actually it is a great skiing nation, or make sure you know where your towel is before you go |
| 16:31.28 | MrNiceGuy | lol |
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| 16:31.30 | valdyn | heh_v_water: there probably isn't one |
| 16:31.33 | Piggy | more like snoreway. |
| 16:32.05 | valdyn | dpkg: norway =~ s/skiiing/winter sports/ |
| 16:32.06 | dpkg | valdyn: that doesn't contain 'skiiing' |
| 16:32.10 | valdyn | dpkg: norway =~ s/skiing/winter sports/ |
| 16:32.10 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 16:32.26 | heh_v_water | okay well my frined MrNiceGuy here is trying to install the no language stuff for firefox and it errors out |
| 16:32.38 | heh_v_water | no = norweigian |
| 16:32.53 | Supaplex | humm debtakeover is pretty stale :-/ |
| 16:33.03 | valdyn | heh_v_water: im sure you can come up with more precise errors then 'errors out' |
| 16:33.09 | MrNiceGuy | Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:33.18 | heh_v_water | caldyn.. yes working on it |
| 16:33.21 | heh_v_water | aagh |
| 16:33.24 | heh_v_water | valdyn |
| 16:33.29 | heh_v_water | /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-locale-nb.postrm: line 12: update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: kommando hittades inte |
| 16:33.45 | heh_v_water | it's trying to update the chrome registry and that doesn't belong in etch anymore I believe |
| 16:33.45 | valdyn | heh_v_water: use 'LC_ALL=C apt-get blah' |
| 16:33.54 | maxamillion | aadil: if that's true ... how much are tickets? |
| 16:34.39 | aadil | maxamillion, dunno - am poor, am swimming to get there |
| 16:34.44 | maxamillion | aadil: lol |
| 16:34.54 | maxamillion | aadil: bring your floaties for when you get tired |
| 16:34.58 | valdyn | heh_v_water: did you run 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:35.32 | heh_v_water | valdyn, yes this is a fresh install of sarge, imeediately upgraded to etch with latest kernel etc |
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| 16:36.23 | aadil | maxamillion, nah - am trying to hitchhike a lift on the backs of mermaids |
| 16:36.23 | \amethyst | heh_v_water: So you're installing iceweasel-l10n-nb-no and it's having problems uninstalling the old mozilla-firefox-locale-nb, right? |
| 16:36.24 | aadil | ^^ |
| 16:36.30 | valdyn | !info mozilla-firefox-locale-no etch |
| 16:36.36 | aadil | on their lowerback if possible |
| 16:36.37 | aadil | :D |
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| 16:36.53 | maxamillion | aadil: lol |
| 16:36.55 | valdyn | !info mozilla-firefox-locale-nb etch |
| 16:37.04 | maxamillion | valdyn: iceweasel ;) |
| 16:37.18 | \amethyst | !info iceweasel-l10n-nb-no |
| 16:37.20 | heh_v_water | aagh he has a bad repo? |
| 16:37.21 | valdyn | heh_v_water: that package doesn't even exist? |
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| 16:37.27 | dpkg | iceweasel-l10n-nb-no: (Bokmaal (Norway) language package for Iceweasel), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.2+debian-2 (sid), Packaged size: 177 kB, Installed size: 764 kB |
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| 16:37.41 | heh_v_water | okay I knwo what is causing it now |
| 16:37.47 | valdyn | heh_v_water: i know your bug, its pretty old |
| 16:37.54 | valdyn | heh_v_water: so your package is probably outdated |
| 16:38.14 | \amethyst | heh_v_water: What version of firefox/iceweasel is installed right now? |
| 16:38.28 | heh_v_water | 2.0.0.9 I believe |
| 16:38.46 | valdyn | heh_v_water: no, that would be a year in the future |
| 16:38.49 | heh_v_water | I think I know what's up |
| 16:38.50 | valdyn | heh_v_water: ( if ever ) |
| 16:38.57 | \amethyst | heh_v_water: Se edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-locale-nb.postrm and comment out the update-chrome lines |
| 16:39.15 | \amethyst | heh_v_water: then try installing the updated package again |
| 16:39.27 | \amethyst | s/Se/So/ |
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| 16:40.10 | heh_v_water | k I'm kind of doing a relay thing here I'm not working on the machine myself |
| 16:40.23 | \amethyst | heh_v_water: does your friend know shell script? |
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| 16:41.22 | heh_v_water | \amethyst, maybe in the most simple form |
| 16:41.39 | heh_v_water | he's pretty new to this yet |
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| 16:42.37 | \amethyst | heh_v_water: actually... |
| 16:42.57 | \amethyst | heh_v_water: I think it will be enough to just rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-locale-nb.postrm |
| 16:43.20 | heh_v_water | \amethyst, maybe just move it out of there to try it? |
| 16:43.25 | \amethyst | heh_v_water: yeah |
| 16:43.32 | heh_v_water | k thats worth a shot |
| 16:43.40 | \amethyst | heh_v_water: Since all that does is run update-chrom |
| 16:43.46 | valdyn | heh_v_water: every package has a postrm file, this will probably fail |
| 16:43.52 | \amethyst | valdyn: not true |
| 16:44.00 | valdyn | \amethyst: no? |
| 16:44.06 | \amethyst | valdyn: only ones that need it |
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| 16:44.45 | valdyn | \amethyst: oh, you're right |
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| 16:45.02 | valdyn | \amethyst: silly i used to put exit 0 on top to 'fix' such breakages |
| 16:45.12 | \amethyst | that works too :) |
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| 16:45.57 | heh_v_water | I appreciate everyone's help here btw |
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| 16:50.15 | gonzaloaf_work | hello, what can I do if I want to erase the home and copy it from the /etc/skel of each user before they log in to the system? |
| 16:50.32 | valdyn | gonzaloaf_work: why? |
| 16:51.23 | gonzaloaf_work | valdyn, because is a public computer any people use to leave garbage on the desktop and could modify some files, so I rather copy a new home from skel |
| 16:51.46 | valdyn | gonzaloaf_work: better solution would be to make those files immutable by users |
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| 16:52.05 | christianp | hi * |
| 16:52.25 | scv | hi |
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| 16:52.47 | valdyn | gonzaloaf_work: how do people log in anyway? via gdm? |
| 16:52.54 | gonzaloaf_work | valdyn, I want my users to be able to download some files to Desktop, but not modify any other file, well I was using this inmutability bit, do you want me to set this bit to all the user's home? |
| 16:53.17 | gonzaloaf_work | valdyn, yep gdm, I thought I could use the PreSession file |
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| 16:55.12 | christianp | can anyone help me in configuring my network adapters? my server (etch) has two network adapters: Intel 82573V gigabit ethernet controller (copper) and Realtek RTL8169 gigabit ethernet (i can read it from lspci) |
| 16:55.40 | xand | christianp: and does "ifconfig -a" list them? |
| 16:55.41 | christianp | but only eth1 seems to work |
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| 16:56.06 | valdyn | gonzaloaf_work: you could, i suppose i would configure gdm to make only the default session available and edit ~/.xsession to clean up that home |
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| 16:57.03 | gonzaloaf_work | valdyn, I have many users |
| 16:58.05 | christianp | xand: it lists eth0 eth1 eth2 lo sit0 |
| 16:58.42 | christianp | xand: i can't understand what are them :( |
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| 16:59.29 | gonzaloaf_work | christianp, you can identify them by their MACs |
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| 17:03.05 | nm | hi * |
| 17:03.25 | christianp | gonzaloaf_work: how can i check them? |
| 17:03.36 | nm | which packages can i get exportfs binary ? |
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| 17:04.08 | christianp | my eth0 has encap:UNSPEC |
| 17:04.15 | nm | i want to force nfsd to re-read the /etc/exports file |
| 17:04.52 | karsten | nm: IIRC NOHUP it. |
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| 17:06.55 | nm | karsten: root 3421 0.0 0.1 3128 896 ? Ss Mar23 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd |
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| 17:07.05 | nm | karsten: kill -HUP 3421 ? |
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| 17:07.37 | solar_sea | Is there any way to intentionally (un)lock the keyboard/mouse in X ? [with some sort of command or something like that, that can be called from a script] |
| 17:08.19 | \amethyst | solar_sea: do you use a scrensaver? |
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| 17:08.58 | solar_sea | No |
| 17:09.08 | solar_sea | I want it to be lockable/unlockable on demand |
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| 17:10.02 | abrotman | in gnome/kde there's a applet to lock the screen |
| 17:10.10 | abrotman | !find bin/xlock sarge |
| 17:10.18 | xand | christianp: I should think they're your network cards (Well some of them are)... have you put them in your interfaces file? |
| 17:10.18 | \amethyst | solar_sea: Install xlock, then you can run xlock to lock, and killall xlock to unlock |
| 17:10.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xlock' (1): (/usr/X11R6/bin/xlock) in x11/xlockmore,x11/xlockmore-gl. |
| 17:10.25 | xand | !interfaces |
| 17:10.25 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 17:10.28 | solar_sea | I see, thanks |
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| 17:10.58 | trelane | !beer |
| 17:10.58 | dpkg | hmm... beer is liquid gold mate |
| 17:11.09 | Supaplex | !beer trelane |
| 17:12.27 | einvalrapter | !trelane |
| 17:12.27 | dpkg | i heard trelane is at cdslash.net |
| 17:12.30 | einvalrapter | dpkg: hmm... Omg, teh trelanies |
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| 17:13.16 | trelane | ? |
| 17:13.16 | Kronuz | hello |
| 17:13.23 | trelane | wtf is a cdslash.net? |
| 17:13.24 | g00se | What's the best way in Sarge to a) Shutdown without ever logging in [xdm]? b) As above but from logged on ssh client? |
| 17:13.38 | RichiH | g00se: init 0 |
| 17:13.39 | trelane | darien |
| 17:13.40 | einvalrapter | trelane: you have been slashdotted again? |
| 17:13.42 | trelane | I should have known |
| 17:13.46 | trelane | einvalrapter, not recently |
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| 17:14.06 | einvalrapter | niftys |
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| 17:14.51 | Kronuz | hey, I have this problem... I installed NVIDIA drivers (the most recent ones) and it works fine (using NVIDIA's .run file) but when I reboot it stops working for some reason... |
| 17:14.55 | g00se | RichiH: think i tried TELinit 0 and got into trouble with a) Of course i had to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get to prompt |
| 17:14.56 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 17:15.28 | RichiH | g00se: well, do you want to not log in into X or not at all? |
| 17:15.40 | g00se | No login at all |
| 17:15.43 | Supaplex | Kronuz: uninstall it, and do it the debian way. |
| 17:15.46 | christianp | xand: in my interfaces i configure: eth1 (and works) and eth0 (but it doesn't work) so i substitute eth0 with eth2 (but it doesn't work) |
| 17:15.47 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: used to install those, if yournt playing or otherwise need them bad, theyre bad :) |
| 17:15.50 | christianp | what other? |
| 17:16.02 | Supaplex | !tell Kronuz about nvidia |
| 17:16.02 | RichiH | g00se: ctrl-alt-del twice and hit the power button once the thing is off |
| 17:16.17 | RichiH | g00se: or press the power button if acpi is set up correctly and not blocked |
| 17:16.26 | Kronuz | the weird thing is that all I get is the following error at the console (when I try startx) and no errors or anything in the logs: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining |
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| 17:17.00 | g00se | RichiH: that leaves me just at a terminal prompt |
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| 17:17.12 | h3sp4wn | g00se: halt -p |
| 17:17.14 | blenna_unix | how much space does mount pts / & /boot need? |
| 17:17.43 | lunitik | blenna_unix: / depends if you're going to use /usr .... /boot needn't be bigger than 150mb |
| 17:17.57 | Kronuz | Supaplex: hmm... DO NOT use NVIDIA installer :P |
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| 17:17.59 | Supaplex | isolated /boot is a myth. |
| 17:18.13 | g00se | h3sp4wn: sounds promising |
| 17:18.27 | stew | Supaplex: not if you want grub + / on lvm or grub + / on raid |
| 17:18.32 | Supaplex | true! |
| 17:18.32 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: but the ones in the debian are very old... |
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| 17:18.44 | g00se | h3sp4wn: presumably OK from ssh client too? |
| 17:18.48 | Kronuz | (unless there are newer that I'm not aware of, somewhere) |
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| 17:19.05 | blenna_unix | lunitik: swap? |
| 17:19.22 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: problem is, they are all old, outdated binary form only |
| 17:19.37 | lunitik | blenna_unix: swap should probably be around 1GB ... no point being bigger... also, I'd separate out /var ... |
| 17:19.38 | h3sp4wn | g00se: Works on mine (requires apm or acpi to be working though) |
| 17:19.38 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:19.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 17:19.52 | Supaplex | I don't expect to resize / after install :) I throw 512m at it, and use lvm with 4G each on /var /usr /var/lib and others (usually servers, so /var/log /var/www and /var/mail get theirs) |
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| 17:20.09 | g00se | Thanks. Think apm's OK |
| 17:20.12 | g00se | The reason is that i'm getting jittery. I'm not certain that ssh login is prevented *by password only* |
| 17:20.15 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: too bad :( |
| 17:20.28 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: they work, but only until I restart the system (for some reason) |
| 17:20.29 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: security nightmare so dont use if you dont really need to until there Ussed |
| 17:20.46 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: what do you use then? |
| 17:21.01 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: just the nv_driver? or the older NVIDIA's |
| 17:21.11 | stew | Supaplex: its not just about resizing, when i had a hard drive start to go, i was happy that everything was on lvm and i could just pvmove off of the bad disk without having to worry about any non-lvm partitions |
| 17:21.31 | einvalrapter | Kronuz, lets see.. theyre in the module tree.. do you modprobe or insmod before you startx ? |
| 17:21.48 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: anyvideas |
| 17:21.55 | einvalrapter | or antis |
| 17:21.55 | Kobaz | lvm > * |
| 17:22.01 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: I don't think I do |
| 17:22.08 | g00se | How can i ensure that password loging alone (i.e. no keys) is disallowed from an ssh client? |
| 17:22.21 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: maybe I need to load a module, right? |
| 17:22.28 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: but what module :S |
| 17:22.30 | Kobaz | g00se: disable interactive logins |
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| 17:22.32 | einvalrapter | Kronuz, you installed it and it was ok, then what ? |
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| 17:22.39 | Kronuz | then I rebooted |
| 17:22.44 | blenna_unix | ok. here is the scenario. | i have a server in which i want to keep data like www pages & samba data seperate from the os incase i need to reinstall the o/s |
| 17:22.45 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: and it stopped working |
| 17:22.53 | abrotman | !tell Kronuz about nvidia one-liner |
| 17:23.06 | Kobaz | g00se: PasswordAuthentication no |
| 17:23.13 | einvalrapter | once again Kronuz i think i missed a step or 2 |
| 17:23.14 | einvalrapter | :) |
| 17:23.17 | g00se | Kobaz: thanks |
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| 17:23.20 | dvrrule | hi |
| 17:23.23 | solar_sea | Hey, where does the tcl8.4 package for debian keep it's libs ? |
| 17:23.29 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: I compared the `env` and the `set` they both were the same (before and after installation) |
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| 17:23.45 | dvrrule | there's a way to read a DVR hard disk (it contains a stream of data in MYS format) |
| 17:23.59 | blenna_unix | but i want to keep most of the drivespace for such data. any suggestions on how to partition a ~300 gb drive? |
| 17:24.01 | g00se | hsp4wn: thanks too |
| 17:24.01 | Supaplex | solar_sea: dpkg -L <package> can show you. |
| 17:24.24 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: from step one, how did you install the nvideous driver onto your poor unsuspecting system ? |
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| 17:24.26 | Kobaz | blenna_unix: the whole system on a single 300gigger? |
| 17:24.39 | rafa_ | hello friend |
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| 17:24.46 | abrotman | blenna_unix: so make a /home partition .. and keep your data there ? |
| 17:25.04 | abrotman | blenna_unix: and if you have to reinstall .. don't format /home/ |
| 17:25.04 | christianp | ok, thanks guys, i solved |
| 17:25.09 | christianp | :) |
| 17:25.26 | Kobaz | there's no place like /home |
| 17:25.27 | blenna_unix | yes the drive is 300gb. |
| 17:25.38 | Kobaz | yes we know it's a 300gig drive, is it your only drive |
| 17:25.43 | Supaplex | there's no place like /root ;) |
| 17:25.45 | stew | there is no place like ::1 |
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| 17:25.48 | einvalrapter | croniclanes, i hate the highway during rushour :) |
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| 17:26.08 | Supaplex | there's no place like /proc/self/ |
| 17:26.08 | blenna_unix | question is how big should i make root, boot & swap to leave the rest to data? |
| 17:26.13 | dvrrule | there's a way to read a DVR hard disk (it contains a stream of data in MYS format) |
| 17:26.19 | einvalrapter | stew: Home sweet home |
| 17:26.21 | einvalrapter | :) |
| 17:26.31 | rafa_ | friends somebody know about the programn Lintouch? |
| 17:26.32 | grendal_prime | grrr trying to samba into netapps filer. its not working |
| 17:26.38 | Supaplex | !tell dvrrule -about repeat |
| 17:26.44 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: I got the NVIDIA's official 9755 driver from their website and then I also got the linux-headers and ran the `sh NVIDIA...run` installation file |
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| 17:26.49 | rafa_ | friends somebody know about the programn Lintouch? |
| 17:26.58 | Kobaz | blenna_unix: i generally do something like: 500-1G of swap, 1G /, 20G for /usr, the rest for home |
| 17:27.01 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: then... |
| 17:27.06 | dvrrule | !tell Supaplex -about answer |
| 17:27.09 | Supaplex | !tell rafa_ -about repeat |
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| 17:27.26 | Kobaz | blenna_unix: and move /var/cache/apt to /usr or /home and symlink it back |
| 17:27.37 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: then I went thru the installation process and it had to build the stuff for my kernel |
| 17:27.46 | einvalrapter | Im waiting in my cold cell, when the bell begins to chime.. |
| 17:28.00 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: then.. |
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| 17:28.20 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: that placed the binary into the kernel module tree btw |
| 17:28.33 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: then I modified my xorg.conf to use the nvidia driver |
| 17:28.51 | Kronuz | and started X |
| 17:28.55 | Supaplex | dvrrule: that's cute. are you trying to say we should have some answers? Why do you *ASK* a question instead of stating a statement over and over? I assume a lot about your supposed question, but I don't bother (to assume is silly) |
| 17:29.07 | Supaplex | do/don't/ |
| 17:29.10 | blenna_unix | Kobaz: ok. but how much data does the /usr mnt pt will use ballpark? |
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| 17:29.37 | dvrrule | <Supaplex> i'm not going to bother anyone here i just need help |
| 17:29.43 | Kobaz | blenna_unix: it really depends, you can have it use a 100 meg, or if you go on an apt-get binge you can use 10 gigs |
| 17:29.43 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: ran gears and it was flowin nicely ? |
| 17:30.08 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: it was working perfectly (for hours and hours) |
| 17:30.10 | rafa_ | friends somebody know about the programn Lintouch? |
| 17:30.25 | Kobaz | blenna_unix: if it's a server doing a specialized thing, you probably won't use much, if it's a workstation with tons and tons of applications, you |
| 17:30.25 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: glxgears |
| 17:30.25 | Supaplex | dvrrule: ask, try asking a well formed question. the smarter the question, the better chances of a direct response. |
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| 17:30.32 | Kobaz | blenna_unix: 'll use a ton |
| 17:30.34 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: glxgears? |
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| 17:30.50 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: a testprogram for mesa xgl |
| 17:30.55 | einvalrapter | opengl i mean |
| 17:30.59 | Supaplex | rafa_: what's lintouch? |
| 17:31.04 | Kronuz | oh, yeah, well I was usin berly |
| 17:31.06 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: check it |
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| 17:31.27 | blenna_unix | Kobaz: thats what secondary drives are for right. :) |
| 17:31.33 | blenna_unix | Kobaz: thanks!!! |
| 17:31.34 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: beryl was working fine, so gkxgears should too |
| 17:31.37 | Kobaz | blenna_unix: well, it just depends what you're doing |
| 17:31.39 | rafa_ | lintouth is program for controler of process in industry |
| 17:31.49 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: if the gears spins very slowly you dont have opengl accel |
| 17:31.51 | dvrrule | the one above is well formed; the dvr (digital video recorder) has an usb hard drive which containes stuffs it recorded, but it's not AVI or DivX neither the disk has a partition or similar, it's just a stream of data in a format called MYS |
| 17:31.51 | rafa_ | supervisory system |
| 17:32.03 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: its a fast test though.. |
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| 17:32.27 | Kobaz | dvrrule: it's a well formed statement but not a well formed question |
| 17:32.31 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: anyway I restarted X several times and it worked fine... but then I rebooted |
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| 17:32.47 | Supaplex | rafa_: If it installs ok, you might try a mailing list if they have one. Sounds pretty specific to a small group of users. |
| 17:32.59 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: and after the reboot it no longer started X (the fatal IO error) |
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| 17:33.02 | Kobaz | dvrrule: questions usually are in the form of something like this: "i have some problem with xyx and i need to make it work, what do i do?" |
| 17:33.09 | dvrrule | What i need is to know if there's a way to READ it |
| 17:33.12 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: ah, you want that spinning cube thing that only works natively on some sis cards(?) and intel integrated (only, fix that intel) cards |
| 17:33.16 | Mongo2` | good |
| 17:33.50 | Kobaz | dvrrule: and to answer your question, i have no idea, perhaps google can help... jsut put in MYS and see what you dig up |
| 17:34.00 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: got debug msgs from org log file in /var/log ? |
| 17:34.03 | Supaplex | dvrrule: which dvr? |
| 17:34.07 | einvalrapter | xorg |
| 17:34.26 | dvrrule | the DVR is FUM104CE |
| 17:34.37 | Supaplex | dvrrule: who makes it? |
| 17:34.44 | Supaplex | is this a tivo? |
| 17:34.47 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: in what log? |
| 17:34.48 | dvrrule | FUHO |
| 17:34.54 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: X log? |
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| 17:35.09 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: ls /var/log | grep -i xorg |
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| 17:35.27 | dvrrule | isn't a tivo |
| 17:35.32 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: there are absolutely no errors there whatsoever (in the Xorg.log) |
| 17:35.42 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: hmm, yeah, could still be X something |
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| 17:36.29 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: when it fails to startx, then you have a log. Check that the conf uses driver nvidia instead of nv |
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| 17:36.48 | Supaplex | dvrrule: well, there's like 8 hits for FUM104CE alone. another ally might me file(1). good luck with it. |
| 17:36.50 | Harzilein | hi there |
| 17:36.52 | HYPOCRISY | sup |
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| 17:37.38 | einvalrapter | Sometimes i just wanna get the box where a problem lies, fix it in under 20 seconds and rock some :) |
| 17:37.39 | dvrrule | <Supaplex>if u're talking about google there's nothing about it says just whjat the device featuers |
| 17:37.59 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: nopy, it's using the nvidia driver |
| 17:38.00 | dvrrule | ad mys files belongs to http://www.vineyardtechnologies.com/index.html |
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| 17:38.07 | dvrrule | s/ad/and |
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| 17:38.19 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: lsmod | grep -i nvidia |
| 17:38.24 | dvrrule | wose site tell all but nothing |
| 17:38.27 | Harzilein | after some changes that i can't really recreate (it involved installing and deinstalling discover though), i can no longer use aumix (oss compatibility modules are all there afaics) to change the pcm volume, just master works |
| 17:38.31 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: yep it;s there |
| 17:38.41 | rafa_ | supervisory system |
| 17:38.45 | Harzilein | anyone got an idea how i can find out what's responsible for that? |
| 17:38.47 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: (it's always there also after reboot) |
| 17:38.51 | rafa_ | friends somebody know about the programn Lintouch? |
| 17:39.00 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: hmm, k... and the conf has driver "nvidia" ? |
| 17:39.00 | andriano | respekt:-) |
| 17:39.07 | einvalrapter | Fetrespekt! |
| 17:39.17 | Lagos | !tell Lagos -about sid |
| 17:39.24 | cahoot | Harzilein: why not use alsamixer? |
| 17:39.26 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: yep |
| 17:39.28 | HYPOCRISY | fun |
| 17:39.31 | einvalrapter | :) |
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| 17:39.43 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: after installing it now again, it's working (the driver) |
| 17:39.52 | einvalrapter | Brb, einvalords |
| 17:40.03 | Harzilein | cahoot: i know someone would ask that question. i prefer the aumix interface and i know it used to work so i want this functionality back no matter if i don't need it |
| 17:40.07 | Kronuz | I saved the lsmod output when it wasn't working, I'll compare right now with the current lsmod output |
| 17:40.10 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: i repect that :) |
| 17:40.10 | Harzilein | s/know/knew/ |
| 17:40.49 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: looks the same :( |
| 17:41.04 | Harzilein | cahoot: also, there's a lot of other programs around that use oss and they should be able to handle the mixer as well |
| 17:41.06 | Kronuz | so it wasn't the loaded modules, it wasn't the environment variables... |
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| 17:41.45 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: but I don't know what else could be different between now and after I reboot (when the nvidia drivers are not working for some reason) |
| 17:42.18 | Kronuz | I have to "install" the drivers again for them to start working |
| 17:42.46 | andriano | по руÑÑки ÑдеÑÑŒ понимают? |
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| 17:43.08 | Lagos | I don't speak your crazy moon language. |
| 17:43.17 | cahoot | Harzilein: is aumix still developed? |
| 17:43.24 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: it politics maybe... you dont have the source so we can do as we like, if you dont like the fact that its not working we will laugh at you / $ms corporation <- tools |
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| 17:43.36 | xand | !english |
| 17:43.37 | dpkg | it has been said that english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 17:43.46 | astronaute | any clue on how to get apxs for apache2 on debian ?? |
| 17:43.55 | Harzilein | cahoot: yes. the manpage also is alsa-aware in so far that it says the oss compat stuff works fine and there's no need to develop an alsa version |
| 17:44.17 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: I'm starting to think it might have something to do with my RAID array |
| 17:44.29 | Kronuz | (maybe it's not actually writting the files okay as it should) |
| 17:44.29 | Harzilein | cahoot: really, i could take _any_ other program. flash, games, etc. |
| 17:44.31 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: Hehe, good thinking? :) |
| 17:44.44 | Kronuz | it's just that I also get a weird error |
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| 17:45.03 | Kronuz | "attempt to access beyond the end of device" |
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| 17:45.18 | Harzilein | cahoot: those use oss on a regular base, this thing is _broken_, so i'd prefer if someone could actually give hints on how to fix it or find out what's actually broken instead of discussing the sanity of using aumix |
| 17:45.29 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: Dont install binary crap if you dont really have to, IE: death threat or other evils :) |
| 17:45.30 | Kronuz | that's when I reboot and also it's there at my nvidia-installer.log |
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| 17:46.16 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: If you want to test beryl/compiz .. dont use your regualr computer (i hate how they hyped this part) |
| 17:46.46 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: I get: "sda: rw=0, want 208844990, limit 145226112 attempt to access beyond end of device" |
| 17:47.11 | Kronuz | both during boot and it's also there at my nvidia-installer.log file |
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| 17:47.24 | einvalrapter | hence, reinvalided! |
| 17:47.24 | cahoot | Harzilein: then I'd consult BTS |
| 17:47.31 | Kronuz | (as kernel messages) |
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| 17:48.28 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: perhaps you have other disconnects |
| 17:48.38 | maddash | wtf is caphuso? |
| 17:48.40 | maddash | !caphuso |
| 17:49.10 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: other disconnects? |
| 17:49.59 | einvalrapter | its much important |
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| 17:50.28 | Kronuz | o_O? |
| 17:50.56 | HostilePenguin | they are selling usb sticks with bootable ubanutu for $50 man you can get one gig sticks for like $15 SEEMS LIKE A GOOD BUSINESS |
| 17:50.57 | einvalrapter | I have nvidias dis-ease, how im to get riddler now ? :) |
| 17:51.08 | HostilePenguin | sorry caps |
| 17:51.16 | einvalrapter | Hakka pelittae |
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| 17:52.14 | bzed | !tell einvalrapter about nvidia one-liner |
| 17:52.31 | einvalrapter | !snort |
| 17:52.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, snort is a GPL-licensed open source network intrusion detection system. Snort is capable of performing real-time traffic analysis and packet logging on IP networks. It can perform protocol analysis, content searching/matching and can be used to detect a variety of attacks and probes, such as buffer overflows, stealth port scans, CGI attacks, SMB probes, OS fingerprinting attempts, and much more. http://snort.org |
| 17:52.36 | einvalrapter | :) |
| 17:52.45 | chx | I am sitting at OSCMS and need desperately the latest guess for etch release |
| 17:53.08 | azeem | chx: see the latest release announcement |
| 17:53.13 | azeem | the unofficial guess is April 2nd |
| 17:53.24 | azeem | s/announcement/update/ |
| 17:53.32 | einvalrapter | tewll !bzed cdexxer hzinou |
| 17:53.32 | bzed | did it mention a year? :P |
| 17:53.57 | einvalrapter | 1984 |
| 17:53.57 | chx | azeem: where? |
| 17:53.57 | azeem | chx: the debian-devel-announce mailing list |
| 17:53.57 | stew | chx: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 17:54.15 | stew | chx: the debian-devel-announce url in that factoid from this month |
| 17:54.16 | einvalrapter | Suervixllants ev.genil |
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| 17:54.19 | bzed | Kronuz: "sda: rw=0, want 208844990, limit 145226112 attempt to access beyond end of device" that doesn't sound good |
| 17:54.22 | whitenoyce | what is a good url encoding utility? |
| 17:54.44 | bzed | Kronuz: more like a fucked up aprtition table or a problem with md or ldm |
| 17:54.47 | bzed | *lvm |
| 17:54.53 | chx | this http://lwn.net/Articles/225932/ is the one? |
| 17:55.07 | azeem | chx: yes |
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| 17:56.18 | jindal | hey guys can ip-address be guessed using mac-address? how? |
| 17:56.27 | trelane | err |
| 17:56.27 | trelane | no |
| 17:56.30 | Kronuz | bzed: how can I check that? |
| 17:56.34 | bzed | whitenoyce: encoding when to what where for what!? in general: perl, python,.... |
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| 17:56.38 | trelane | jindal, no they cannot except in ipv6 |
| 17:56.42 | Kronuz | (sounds scary) :S |
| 17:56.45 | einvalrapter | vsta-moneys seems like boxbrkenbarbix :) |
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| 17:57.03 | Kronuz | bzed: I have the system running using dmraid |
| 17:57.30 | Kronuz | bzed: and the whole thing is in a FakeRAID (NVIDIA nForce4 RAID) |
| 17:57.41 | aronofsky | hi, silly question but is there any chance to see a debian vmware package on official repo in a near future ? |
| 17:57.41 | whitenoyce | bzed, anything that works on the cli |
| 17:57.54 | Kronuz | I'm not sute what device sda is |
| 17:57.58 | xand | aronofsky: no |
| 17:58.02 | NekoXP | anyone know of a prepackaged powerpc crosscompiler floating around out there? none of this 'embedded' stuff like scratchbox, just a ppc-linux-gnu target for x86? |
| 17:58.07 | aronofsky | xand, why is that ? |
| 17:58.07 | Harzilein | cahoot: nice, looks like alsa-util got broken |
| 17:58.09 | einvalrapter | kn have mn 0days the vstasi |
| 17:58.13 | xand | aronofsky: it's not even remotely free |
| 17:58.26 | Harzilein | s/util/&s/ |
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| 17:58.30 | aronofsky | xand, why not in non-free ? |
| 17:58.35 | stew | jindal: if you are on the same layer2 network you could see if the hwaddr happens to be in your arp cache by running "arp" as root |
| 17:58.38 | xand | aronofsky: the license |
| 17:58.57 | stew | jindal: err, you don't need root acutally, just /usr/sbin/arp |
| 17:59.06 | aronofsky | xand, ok I see |
| 17:59.08 | trelane | stew, nmap -sP will show it as well |
| 17:59.44 | jindal | yeah.. how to refresh the cache, the ip addr changes (am on the same subnet as the other) |
| 17:59.51 | bzed | Kronuz: hmm. seems to be a known bug, but I have no clue if it affects anything serious or not :\ |
| 17:59.52 | einvalrapter | treeleaner, keep it up... fun |
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| 18:00.07 | Kronuz | bzed: but a known bug for dmraid? |
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| 18:00.16 | Kronuz | or for what? |
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| 18:00.43 | bzed | kernel |
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| 18:01.36 | jindal | trelane: thanks i got my answer :) |
| 18:01.52 | adde | Hi i am not a linux user normally, but now i use debian for a internal system, i just got a short question, how do i easiest set my debian for a static ip adress - now its dynamic? |
| 18:02.03 | Kronuz | okay, I'll reboot now... again |
| 18:02.11 | Kronuz | to see something |
| 18:02.15 | trelane | dpkg tell adde about interfaces |
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| 18:02.26 | Harzilein | cahoot: looks like the maintainer is fiddling with alsa/oss stuff atm |
| 18:02.46 | einvalrapter | keim ex froximlad nene eiirc thof ante lubricatum volvo s40 wroom wroom :) |
| 18:02.50 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: is there a way that you can think of to save all the current running stuff and configuration as to compare later after the reboot? |
| 18:02.56 | Harzilein | cahoot: so for the time being i'll use alsamixer, but will look if something happens |
| 18:03.08 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: no, you must press save :) |
| 18:03.16 | Kronuz | (to see what's different now that it's working and later when it won't) |
| 18:03.16 | adde | dpkg tell me the answer of life |
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| 18:03.35 | bzed | !tell adde about 42 |
| 18:03.36 | Kronuz | einvalrapter: now you're kidding... |
| 18:03.37 | naaaaaad | adde, look in /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 18:03.39 | einvalrapter | Kronuz: md5 or gpg the entire system :) |
| 18:03.40 | adde | dasn :) |
| 18:03.44 | adde | *darn |
| 18:03.45 | Kronuz | lol |
| 18:03.48 | einvalrapter | hehe |
| 18:04.07 | einvalrapter | its not a bad ideea but timeconsumeing |
| 18:04.09 | Kronuz | but I'll md5 the nvidia files tho' |
| 18:04.20 | einvalrapter | okies |
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| 18:04.35 | Kronuz | (they might be in the cache and that's why they're working... I dont' know how the kernels does it's magic) |
| 18:04.49 | einvalrapter | yep, its teh magix |
| 18:05.00 | einvalrapter | your problem sucks though |
| 18:05.06 | einvalrapter | its evil |
| 18:05.28 | einvalrapter | EEvil i tell ya!, eevil :) |
| 18:05.50 | Kronuz | ^_^ |
| 18:05.51 | einvalrapter | Canon printers blow |
| 18:05.55 | Kronuz | brb |
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| 18:05.59 | einvalrapter | ok |
| 18:06.18 | adde | iface eth0 inet 192.168.1.12 <-- will that work? My dist didnt have the example... :S |
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| 18:06.50 | xand | no |
| 18:06.59 | einvalrapter | canon has the world worst software envar.. got them ? throw them out |
| 18:07.03 | xand | !interfaces |
| 18:07.04 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 18:07.11 | azeem | einvalrapter: please keep it on topic |
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| 18:07.31 | adde | ive already read that... id ont have those docs :S |
| 18:07.36 | einvalrapter | azeem: im meeting old coder friends, be nice |
| 18:07.38 | proppy | hi, any debconf guru out there ? |
| 18:07.45 | naaaaaad | quit |
| 18:07.46 | azeem | einvalrapter: meet them elsewhere, this is a support channel |
| 18:07.54 | azeem | einvalrapter: e.g. #debian-offtopic |
| 18:07.55 | abrotman | proppy: just ask |
| 18:08.07 | xand | adde: you don't have "man 5 interfaces"? |
| 18:08.13 | einvalrapter | azeem: we where coding c64 dmoses, have you an equiv ? |
| 18:08.23 | azeem | einvalrapter: ask the channel, not individuals |
| 18:08.28 | adde | i solved it anyway... thanks for all help guys..appreciated |
| 18:08.39 | einvalrapter | amifolks are Linux |
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| 18:09.01 | einvalrapter | azeem: look back at the convo dude |
| 18:09.21 | stew | einvalrapter: he did. he's asking you to either keep the conversation on-topic, or take it to another channel |
| 18:09.21 | proppy | abrotman: i don't manage to turn debconf in dpkg-reconfigure entirely noninteractive (using debconf-communicate to feed value) it always ask for a ' ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.' generic question |
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| 18:11.09 | abrotman | proppy: huh ? |
| 18:11.09 | einvalrapter | azeem, stew: sorry then... |
| 18:11.09 | abrotman | proppy: is this your own package? |
| 18:11.09 | proppy | abrotman: yep |
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| 18:11.16 | illwolf | how do i exec a no gtk file from command line ? |
| 18:11.27 | abrotman | proppy: can you tell us the exact error ? |
| 18:11.33 | proppy | let me paste it |
| 18:11.43 | einvalrapter | azeem, stew: Im not used to the hostility i guess. Back in the daze people where really nice (its the ch spam?) |
| 18:11.47 | RvGaTe | Someone tried to send me 100 anonimous emails... when viewing the full header information, i can see from what server it has been send, including the "Envelope-from <some@email.com>" where the email is something that should exist... is this the mail he tried tosend it with? in other words, how can i find out who sended it... |
| 18:12.09 | einvalrapter | mm, spams are evil |
| 18:12.12 | azeem | 9:03 < einvalrapter> keim ex froximlad nene eiirc thof ante lubricatum volvo s40 wroom wroom :) |
| 18:12.19 | illwolf | how do i exec a no gtk file from command line ? |
| 18:12.23 | azeem | einvalrapter: and we're not used to useless blabber like this |
| 18:12.36 | abrotman | a no gtk file ? |
| 18:12.51 | einvalrapter | azeem: we know what it means, just a randomizaion of a char struct.. |
| 18:12.52 | illwolf | yeah |
| 18:13.01 | illwolf | e.g blah.pl |
| 18:13.04 | azeem | einvalrapter: how is this on topic in a Debian support channel? |
| 18:13.06 | RvGaTe | wait, let me pastebin the full header... i know its from a classmate, just cant point him out yet... |
| 18:13.11 | azeem | einvalrapter: how long have you been in here? |
| 18:13.18 | einvalrapter | azeem: sorry then |
| 18:13.30 | proppy | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/24318 |
| 18:13.33 | Harzilein | illwolf: ./blah.pl or move it to ~/bin and activate inclusion of ~/bin to your path in the bash profile |
| 18:13.49 | RvGaTe | http://pastebin.co.uk/12146 |
| 18:13.52 | azeem | there's nothing wrong with making a side joke or two every once in a while, or chatting a bit with people you haven't seen in a while, but please keep major off-topic conversations outside of this channel |
| 18:14.01 | azeem | especially if you're not constantly helping otehrs |
| 18:14.06 | proppy | abrotman: i called it with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg-reconfigure python-poker-network |
| 18:14.06 | illwolf | Harzilein i dont understand ? |
| 18:14.06 | einvalrapter | azeem: i / we code alot of the apps for Debian.. again, sorry (as i cant priv you..) |
| 18:14.23 | Harzilein | illwolf: you have a command line window open, right? |
| 18:14.30 | einvalrapter | azeem: sorry mate |
| 18:14.40 | Harzilein | illwolf: and somewhere there's this blah.pl lying aroung right? may i ask where? |
| 18:14.42 | illwolf | Harzilein no its for my "menu" list |
| 18:14.46 | proppy | abrotman: adding -fnoninteractive doesn't help either |
| 18:14.57 | Harzilein | illwolf: oh, then i misparsed your question |
| 18:14.59 | illwolf | ./home/illwolf/scanner |
| 18:15.00 | illwolf | yeh |
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| 18:15.24 | gonzaloaf_work | valdyn, are you there? |
| 18:15.34 | Harzilein | illwolf: then i don't really know how to do it with debian menus |
| 18:15.56 | illwolf | Harzilein its enlightenment |
| 18:15.57 | Harzilein | illwolf: maybe look at another entry |
| 18:16.09 | einvalrapter | azeem: take Nakita.. what country ? |
| 18:16.09 | gonzaloaf_work | hello, what can I do if I want to erase the home and copy it from the /etc/skel of each user before they log in to the system? |
| 18:16.11 | illwolf | i have but doesnt have exec .pl |
| 18:16.14 | Harzilein | illwolf: but it includes debian menus in some way, right? |
| 18:16.24 | azeem | einvalrapter: huh? |
| 18:16.44 | illwolf | Harzilein yeah |
| 18:16.46 | Harzilein | illwolf: you want a command line window to pop up with the output from the perlscript, right? is it interactive? |
| 18:17.00 | illwolf | yeah |
| 18:17.23 | illwolf | Harzilein wait ill paste bin |
| 18:17.37 | abrotman | proppy: it has to ask .. AIUI .. the conf file in your package differs from the one on the filesystem .. so it is correct to ask you to overwrite it, etc |
| 18:17.42 | einvalrapter | azeem: hmm, ok: mI derco, lohel (Im coder, hello?) |
| 18:17.58 | azeem | einvalrapter: most coders on this network have their real name set |
| 18:18.14 | beoba | on freenode? |
| 18:18.16 | abrotman | almost pig latin-esque |
| 18:18.27 | einvalrapter | azeem: Not at all true... there are privacy issues to a great extent |
| 18:18.41 | illwolf | Harzilein http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11691/ <-- thats my sniffers.menu |
| 18:18.47 | abrotman | or you could help people having problem with debian ... |
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| 18:19.12 | proppy | abrotman: is there any way to force the answer non-interactively ? |
| 18:19.17 | einvalrapter | azeem: good enough youll be 'bought' and many other things |
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| 18:19.23 | RvGaTe | is it possible to track down who sended this email to me? http://pastebin.co.uk/12146 (its a classmate who spammed me, using a webpage, just cant point out the guy) |
| 18:19.28 | abrotman | proppy: not that i'm aware .. try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:20.11 | Kronuz | I think I fixed it |
| 18:20.13 | einvalrapter | azeem: MajesticsIts |
| 18:20.22 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:20.26 | Harzilein | illwolf: that looks like an enlightenment style menu for me, not a debian menu. do you want the menu entry to appear system wide? |
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| 18:20.42 | proppy | abrotman: there may be something in the package installation that dirty the file, cause i only made apt-get install and dpkg-reconfigure (i never edit the file myself). |
| 18:20.44 | illwolf | Harzilein i guess so? |
| 18:20.49 | proppy | abrotman: thanks for the help though :) |
| 18:20.54 | azeem | einvalrapter: please either ask Debian questions or help others with their Debian problems; saying random stuff to random people is off-topic here |
| 18:21.03 | Kronuz | it had something to do with the fact that I also had installed the "debian way" drivers before I installed the official NVIDIA's |
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| 18:21.16 | einvalrapter | azeem: will do |
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| 18:21.24 | azeem | einvalrapter: I know. |
| 18:21.29 | einvalrapter | :) |
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| 18:22.36 | einvalrapter | azeem: should i close my eyes if there are questions that defy gravity (bot chatter) ? |
| 18:22.53 | azeem | you shouldn't be a PITA, mostly |
| 18:23.00 | Harzilein | illwolf: apt-get install lynx, look at /usr/lib/menu/lynx, change it to your program's values and save it to /etc/menu/yourprogramname |
| 18:23.17 | einvalrapter | azeem: hehe, no worries mate |
| 18:23.32 | ecker | when i do iwconfig, im not getting anything about wlan0 but i have my wireless card installed, using ndiswrapper and lspci detects it, any idea on whats going on? |
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| 18:23.41 | ecker | here my pastebin |
| 18:23.43 | Harzilein | illwolf: after that you can find out how it is done the enlightenment way by looking at the generated enlightenment config |
| 18:23.49 | ecker | http://ace.pastey.net/9065-3ty0 |
| 18:23.57 | einvalrapter | ecker: madwifi/netgear or so ? |
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| 18:24.31 | adj | hi. will someone please confirm for me that whois-4.7.5 (packaged with debian) has a memory leak of 107 bytes? valgrind whois test.com, please |
| 18:24.36 | Harzilein | illwolf: are you trying it? |
| 18:24.48 | illwolf | Harzilein yeh ill start now one sec. |
| 18:24.52 | ecker | einvalrapter its a wireless pci card for my desktop |
| 18:24.52 | azeem | adj: file a minor bug if you want |
| 18:25.28 | adj | azeem: im looking for someone to reproduce my results before i do that |
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| 18:25.50 | ecker | einvalrapter heres what lspci says http://ace.pastey.net/9057-3pja |
| 18:26.21 | proppy | abrotman: btw if you're aware of a way to ask debconf question *before* running apt-get, feel free to communicate :) |
| 18:26.21 | azeem | adj: why? |
| 18:26.39 | azeem | adj: the maintainer or whoever else deals with this bug will reproduce it |
| 18:26.40 | adj | azeem: because i have heavily modified the client |
| 18:26.52 | azeem | adj: then test with the prestine client |
| 18:26.54 | illwolf | Harzilein im lost? |
| 18:26.57 | einvalrapter | ecker: so you have wlan0 up... check ipconfig and see if wlan0 is actually up.. |
| 18:27.05 | RvGaTe | I know you can find out an IP adress by pinging some domain, is it possible to reverse this, and find out what domain (or more) is linked on a given ip? |
| 18:27.07 | Harzilein | illwolf: at which point? |
| 18:27.08 | einvalrapter | ecker: so you have wlan0 up... check ipconfig and see if wlan0 is actually up.. |
| 18:27.12 | stew | ipconfig? |
| 18:27.26 | einvalrapter | Sorry, had scrolled up before posting |
| 18:27.27 | amphi | RvGaTe: whois, if I understand you correctly |
| 18:27.32 | dkr | RvGaTe: whoi ip.add.rr.ess@whois.arin.net |
| 18:27.37 | adj | azeem: if you dont have the 1 second it takes to run 'valgrind whois test.com', then how do you have the time to lecture me on this? |
| 18:27.39 | dkr | whois |
| 18:27.51 | Harzilein | dkr: only if your whois is actually jwhois i think |
| 18:27.51 | ecker | einvalrapter ifconfig is only showing that eth1 is up |
| 18:27.53 | adj | azeem: not to be a dick, but wtf are you getting at |
| 18:27.57 | illwolf | Harzilein im lookin in that path and the file but what do i get gain from it ? |
| 18:27.58 | Harzilein | dkr: the query@host syntax i mean |
| 18:28.02 | dkr | ah |
| 18:28.05 | einvalrapter | adj: i will check this for you |
| 18:28.17 | adj | einvalrapter: thank you much |
| 18:28.25 | einvalrapter | adj: give me the url for the app again |
| 18:28.28 | einvalrapter | np |
| 18:28.33 | dkr | RvGaTe: or you can just do reverse dns lookup: host ip.add.rr.ess |
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| 18:28.41 | Vasistha | g'day all! I'm trying to get NetworkManager working. Since I commented out most of /etc/network/interfaces, NM can now detect and manipulate my interfaces, but when trying to connect to any wireless network, it stalls on "Activation Stage: Configuring device". Paste of /var/log/messages : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5785 |
| 18:28.46 | adj | it should come in debian. the standard whois binary |
| 18:28.56 | Harzilein | illwolf: the layout of a debian style menu entry for a program that wants to be run in a terminal. change the title to your program's title, |
| 18:29.00 | abrotman | proppy: eh .. not that i'm aware of |
| 18:29.15 | einvalrapter | adj: i better test the "upstream", what version ? |
| 18:29.18 | RvGaTe | dkr, that only gives me one domain, can i track all the parked domains aswell? |
| 18:29.21 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/~kevin/broadcom-error.txt - ideas please? |
| 18:29.21 | adj | 4.7.5 |
| 18:29.24 | Harzilein | illwolf: the command to the location of your script |
| 18:29.26 | einvalrapter | ok |
| 18:29.31 | illwolf | Harzilein guess what? |
| 18:29.35 | illwolf | Harzilein i give up! |
| 18:29.46 | azeem | adj: I'm getting at that it's not worthwhile in general to have a second person verifying a bug, just file it |
| 18:29.46 | Harzilein | illwolf: and maybe section and hints to something appropriate |
| 18:29.53 | Kevin` | I can't get bcm43xx working |
| 18:29.54 | dkr | RvGaTe: no, reverse dns can only point to one name. and whois can only point to one owner for the ip block |
| 18:29.55 | Harzilein | illwolf: don't you think that is a bit unfair? |
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| 18:30.04 | illwolf | Harzilein giving up ? |
| 18:30.06 | azeem | adj: but if you find somebody (like einvalrapter now) who wants to verify, even better |
| 18:30.38 | RvGaTe | dkr, so when a domain is hosted on a shared server, i wont be able to track it... |
| 18:30.39 | Harzilein | illwolf: leading me to research how to give you a menu entry and then not giving me my success fix ;) |
| 18:30.43 | adj | azeem: understood. =) |
| 18:30.52 | gonzaloaf_work | hello, what can I do if I want to erase the home and copy it from the /etc/skel of each user before they log in to the system? |
| 18:31.07 | illwolf | Harzilein dude if u want ill take a screen shot so u can understand what im talking about ? |
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| 18:31.35 | dkr | RvGaTe: depends on what you are tryign to track. |
| 18:31.39 | amphi | !u |
| 18:31.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:31.55 | JohnDoh | hi everyone, is there any way i can monitor how much data is being transfered though a SSH tunnel by a user? |
| 18:32.10 | H2S04 | iptraf |
| 18:32.11 | dkr | iptraf |
| 18:32.12 | stew | JohnDoh: iptraf |
| 18:32.17 | H2S04 | haha |
| 18:32.24 | stew | adj: ==2596== definitely lost: 159 bytes in 5 blocks. |
| 18:32.36 | stew | adj: that is from 4.7.20 |
| 18:32.42 | JohnDoh | thanks |
| 18:32.43 | stew | (why is that packaged natively?) |
| 18:33.01 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: are you saying you want to erase a user's home directory each time they log out? |
| 18:33.06 | adj | stew: interesting, was that with test.com? or another query string? |
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| 18:33.10 | RvGaTe | dkr, someone sended me 100 spam emails trough some server... server1.phpvolution.com... but this is a shared server, so someone has an account on this server, and created a website on this account to spam me... so im trying to find out wich domain is parked on that account, so i can track his name using a simple whois on that domain... |
| 18:33.13 | einvalrapter | adj: making... |
| 18:33.16 | stew | adj: test.com |
| 18:34.09 | gonzaloaf_work | Vasistha, nop, every time before they log in, and copy their home from /etc/skel |
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| 18:34.22 | Harzilein | illwolf: screenshot of what? ok, let's give you another example: suppose i wrote a new shell, "barshell" (as i suppose there's already a fooshell ;) and it resides in my /home/harzi/bin. the fancy long description is "The Bar Command Line Environment". then i'd write echo '?package(barshell):needs="text" section="Apps/Shells" title="The Bar Command Line Environment" command="/home/harzi/bin/barshell"' > /etc/menu/barshell |
| 18:34.37 | einvalrapter | adj:.... |
| 18:34.38 | einvalrapter | ==26728== malloc/free: in use at exit: 457 bytes in 5 blocks. |
| 18:34.38 | einvalrapter | ==26728== malloc/free: 111 allocs, 106 frees, 9,647 bytes allocated. |
| 18:34.38 | Harzilein | illwolf: then i'd run update-menus |
| 18:35.11 | illwolf | Harzilein im new relax lol |
| 18:35.19 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: you could probably do something creative with .bash_profile ... do you need me to elaborate? |
| 18:35.30 | stew | adj: possibly i'm getting a differently sized leak than you two because i'm on amd64 and you two are on i386? |
| 18:35.30 | illwolf | root@mit[/]# /bin/bash /usr/sbin/dsniff |
| 18:35.30 | illwolf | /usr/sbin/dsniff: /usr/sbin/dsniff: cannot execute binary file |
| 18:35.34 | illwolf | see that? |
| 18:35.39 | dkr | RvGaTe: or someone just used an automated tool that was able to send the spam from that server because someone was running smoe insecure software like a web forum or somethign that someone elsewhere could use to have it send spam |
| 18:35.47 | einvalrapter | testing another domain its.... |
| 18:35.49 | einvalrapter | ==26728== malloc/free: in use at exit: 457 bytes in 5 blocks. |
| 18:35.49 | einvalrapter | ==26728== malloc/free: 111 allocs, 106 frees, 9,647 bytes allocated. |
| 18:35.52 | Harzilein | illwolf: _that_ is a problem totally unrelated to the menu system |
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| 18:36.09 | einvalrapter | So its a non-free or domain name maybe! ? |
| 18:36.11 | Harzilein | illwolf: dsniff isn't a perlscript likely |
| 18:36.12 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: ...I can't help wondering why on earth you would want to do this? |
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| 18:36.17 | einvalrapter | however, not a problem |
| 18:36.18 | GiabboO | hey |
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| 18:36.25 | illwolf | Harzilein yeh i know but i wanna add sniff too |
| 18:36.25 | Harzilein | illwolf: /usr/bin/dsniff without bash before it should work |
| 18:36.31 | azeem | stew: it got written by a DD who never bothered to make it non-native |
| 18:36.33 | illwolf | wicked. |
| 18:36.35 | Harzilein | illwolf: and shouldn't dsniff have a menu entry already? |
| 18:36.43 | einvalrapter | adj: nice eh ? :) |
| 18:36.43 | GiabboO | I do I get a 2.6.15 kernel from apt-get, I have sarge and the latest kernel on apt is 2.6.8 |
| 18:36.43 | Harzilein | illwolf: aaah, that's even easier |
| 18:36.44 | einvalrapter | brb |
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| 18:36.47 | illwolf | its enlightenment |
| 18:36.49 | illwolf | sucks |
| 18:36.53 | GiabboO | how do I get a 2.6.15 kernel from apt-get, I have sarge and the latest kernel on apt is 2.6.8 |
| 18:36.57 | Harzilein | illwolf: copy /usr/share/menu/dsniff to /etc/dsniff and modify it |
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| 18:37.02 | gonzaloaf_work | Vasistha, because the PC is public and I want that every user find their home as new |
| 18:37.10 | stew | azeem: mkpasswd really needs to be split out of there as well |
| 18:37.17 | Harzilein | illwolf: i think it'll be obvious where you should add that parameter |
| 18:37.28 | Kevin` | anyone want to help me get bcm43xx working? |
| 18:37.34 | RvGaTe | dkr, nope, for school we needed to send an anonimous email to some teacher as a simple assignment... so i know this comes from a classmate (way to obvious), and i know everyone is a windows user, and are to stupid to login into a smtp server by themselves or find a tool to do so... |
| 18:37.45 | illwolf | Harzilein alright brb 2 mns |
| 18:37.46 | stew | well at least 'apt-cache search mkpasswd' finds whois |
| 18:38.10 | adj | einvalrapter: sorry. lost my terminal for s ec |
| 18:38.12 | GiabboO | stew, I want update a debian netinst |
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| 18:38.24 | GiabboO | stew, what is a good repository where i can find kernel 2.6.15 ? |
| 18:38.30 | GiabboO | or newer |
| 18:38.32 | Harzilein | illwolf: btw, remember that other users (hypothetically speaking) might want their dsniff to run without that option, so you should rather infer from the generated enlightenment menu how you can add it per-user |
| 18:38.38 | einvalrapter | adj: i was just thinking about heading out! :) |
| 18:38.43 | stew | GiabboO: what version of debian are you running? sarge aka stable? etch? testing? ubuntu? |
| 18:38.53 | adj | einvalrapter: yes, thats probably why. i dont really care to track down the leak in the authors code (or whatever libs they call) right now, but i really appreciate you and stew verifying the problem isnt in my modifications |
| 18:38.53 | Harzilein | illwolf: but that is just for bonus points really |
| 18:38.55 | GiabboO | now is etch |
| 18:38.58 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: Okay, that makes *some* sense. I guess your "users" are going to be like "public1" "public2" etc...? |
| 18:39.02 | einvalrapter | adj: i have comfirmed the leak but its only a one time operation |
| 18:39.09 | stew | adj: are you going to report it? (/msg dpkg reportbug) |
| 18:39.09 | einvalrapter | confirmed |
| 18:39.11 | pythos | HI... Im wondering if Im going crazy or what... I am trying to run 'baseconfig' on a recently fresh etch. its saying command not found. |
| 18:39.17 | adj | stew: yes |
| 18:39.18 | GiabboO | but is running a 2.6.8 kernel and so I cant run udev |
| 18:39.20 | einvalrapter | good |
| 18:39.21 | stew | adj: thanks |
| 18:39.25 | adj | np |
| 18:39.28 | Kevin` | :( |
| 18:39.31 | einvalrapter | thanks adj, good work |
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| 18:39.51 | stew | GiabboO: any official etch mirror would have 2.6.18-4 (/msg dpkg mirrors ; /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel) |
| 18:40.20 | gonzaloaf_work | Vasistha, yes, |
| 18:40.32 | pythos | is baseconfig gone from etch? |
| 18:40.47 | einvalrapter | pythos: base what ? |
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| 18:40.52 | stew | pythos: yes |
| 18:40.58 | pythos | base-config? not there either |
| 18:41.07 | einvalrapter | pythos: was there ever a thing like that, what was it used for ? |
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| 18:41.09 | Harzilein | illwolf: still there? |
| 18:41.24 | einvalrapter | pythos: its gone..^ |
| 18:41.40 | stew | pythos: all of the configuration is done before the first reboot during the install now, so there is no longer a need for a second-stage config with d-i anymore (unfortunately it leaves debootstrapped installs a unconfigured afaik) |
| 18:41.42 | einvalrapter | i never used it |
| 18:41.48 | Harzilein | illwolf: argh, i meant /etc/menu/dsniff of course |
| 18:41.54 | Harzilein | illwolf: sorry for confusing you |
| 18:41.58 | gonzaloaf_work | Vasistha, is there any way to do what I want? |
| 18:42.03 | proppy | abrotman: debconf-set-selections/debconf-get-selections is the way :) |
| 18:42.07 | einvalrapter | aha, an automatic timezone/etc adjuster for first time installs |
| 18:42.11 | Harzilein | illwolf: the line should read: "copy /usr/share/menu/dsniff to /etc/menu/dsniff and modify it" |
| 18:42.12 | einvalrapter | lame :P |
| 18:42.14 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: probably. The first thing I would recommend you read is this: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/DotFiles |
| 18:42.15 | stew | einvalrapter: it was the thing that was run by the installer after you booted to the new system the first time that asked for root password, ran apt-setup, tasksel, etc |
| 18:42.20 | pythos | Ok, maybe I am out of it enough to have forgottnen.. How to revisit the portion of setup where it lists what kind of environment you want to have, like desktop, mailserver, fileserver, etc. |
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| 18:42.30 | Lipe | E aí certo? |
| 18:42.34 | stew | pythos: you are looking for 'tasksel' |
| 18:42.35 | cydork | pythos: tasksel? |
| 18:42.40 | einvalrapter | stew: i figured, never used it though |
| 18:42.53 | Kronuz | hey, how are the volumes and drives in "Computer" created? |
| 18:42.56 | Lipe | Eu quero baixar music na net |
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| 18:43.02 | stew | !br |
| 18:43.02 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:43.08 | Harzilein | Kronuz: which desktop environment? |
| 18:43.16 | einvalrapter | stew: newbs need to make that mental agility though.. theyll, np |
| 18:43.18 | Kronuz | Harzilein: I'm using gnome |
| 18:43.27 | Lipe | (/j #debian-br) |
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| 18:43.42 | Kronuz | but I have there two volumes that are unaccesible (and I think they're shown as removable when they're not) |
| 18:43.48 | Kronuz | (they're SATA drives |
| 18:43.50 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: although, does it not make more sense to delete the home_dir on logout, and cp skel in on login? |
| 18:43.51 | pythos | no... its something that is part of the initial install of any debian system... I thought I read "if you want to modify your setup you can revisit this menu with 'baseconfig' |
| 18:43.51 | stew | Lipe: just "/j #debian-br" not "(/j #debian-br)" |
| 18:44.20 | pythos | but now Im wondering if I dreamed it |
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| 18:44.28 | stew | pythos: which part are you wishing to revisit? the part where you can choose "desktop environment" or "web server" or something else? |
| 18:44.29 | Kronuz | Harzilein: I have my floppy, my two DVD drives my Filesystem, the Network icon and the two "Volumes" |
| 18:44.36 | stew | pythos: that was the case with the sarge installer but not the etch installer |
| 18:44.41 | Kronuz | is there a way that you know of to remove those two from the list? |
| 18:44.42 | gonzaloaf_work | Vasistha, suppose my user never logs out normally, they logs out by hardware |
| 18:44.54 | pythos | stew, huh, thought I saw it last week with etch rc2 |
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| 18:45.00 | gonzaloaf_work | my users* |
| 18:45.16 | stew | pythos: if so, its probably an error. base-config has been gone for a while (/msg dpkg base-config) |
| 18:45.28 | pythos | stew, I didn't install a desktop environmnet... I need to I guess. |
| 18:45.30 | Harzilein | Kronuz: yes, mom, i'll look where the methods differ between gnome and xfce, they likely use the same base library and i want to reproduce it |
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| 18:45.45 | einvalrapter | stew: i had an old crappy install of w2000 server that was hosed by debian windows (from the net) installer shown on slashdot... i hate windows so thats cool, but maybe worth noting |
| 18:45.48 | stew | pythos: run tasksel ; or run "aptitude" and go to tasks->user->desktop |
| 18:46.02 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: are they logging into a gui, or using text-based login? |
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| 18:46.09 | Lipe | alguém brasileiro? |
| 18:46.11 | pythos | stew, k, trying |
| 18:46.16 | signuts | Is there a way to roll your own set of packages into a single ISO on debian? |
| 18:46.17 | stew | einvalrapter: "debian windows"? i dunno what you mean |
| 18:46.30 | stew | Lipe: /j #debian-br |
| 18:46.36 | azeem | stew: goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 18:46.39 | einvalrapter | stew: debian for windows installer (tought yould ask, sorry) |
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| 18:46.44 | gonzaloaf_work | Vasistha, gdm |
| 18:46.50 | stew | ah |
| 18:47.15 | Lipe | bye bye peoples |
| 18:47.29 | stew | not debian gnu/kNTKERN :) |
| 18:47.35 | adj | signuts: yes, definately |
| 18:47.46 | einvalrapter | stew: it could be installed from the net.. im better off not having that w2k server but i wanted to keep it from remote domain joinance and some apps etc (so its perhaps worth noting) |
| 18:47.50 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: that may be the place to look -- so, there's probably some way to set up gnome to run a script on login. I know, e.g., in KDE, there's the ~/.kde/Autostart directory -- gnome probably has something similar... |
| 18:47.54 | icheyne | I just installed the latest stable debian and was surprised on bootup to see that I am using a 2.4.27 kernel. How come? Shouldn't I be on 2.6?? |
| 18:47.55 | Lipe | my times stop |
| 18:48.01 | einvalrapter | stew: samba stuff you know |
| 18:48.14 | MadDwarf | Hi. I've managed to mess up my 3D graphics. Was working ok in Gnome, but I swtched to KDE and now any 3D will crash ... sometimes to desktop, sometimes to console. I'm not sure how to log the errors, as often they scroll off-screen |
| 18:48.15 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: ...so, what you can do, is set it up so that, when this script is run, it wipes out the user's home directory, and then copies from skel. |
| 18:48.18 | signuts | adj, a little howto action satisfaction? Or proper terminology so I can google it :) |
| 18:48.19 | stew | einvalrapter: i'm not following |
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| 18:48.55 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: one thing to keep in mind -- you don't want your user modifying that script to not do it! So, perhaps it would make sense to hardlink the skel script, with root ownership. |
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| 18:49.31 | gonzaloaf_work | Vasistha, ok.. I know that there are PreSession and PostSession files |
| 18:49.54 | einvalrapter | stew: im working on a few projects and i need a server to 1. get a listing from a remote server/domain and then populating some gtk+ widgets for selections of what to import in OSS like systems |
| 18:49.59 | adj | signuts: basiically, google "roll your own debian", lots of people customize the install to put certain kernels, modules, etc in. like: http://ioctl.org/unix/debian/x4100 |
| 18:49.59 | gonzaloaf_work | Vasistha, for gdm, I will read if they can help me, thanks buddy |
| 18:50.04 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: I think my solution here is a bit of a hack -- I'm relatively certain there's a better way to do this, but I've got to go right now -- sounds like you're onto something. Also, you might ask the #gnome people |
| 18:50.15 | signuts | adj, thx |
| 18:50.32 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_work: good luck! |
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| 18:50.45 | Lipe | they alguem wants to talk? |
| 18:51.00 | Lipe | they alguem wants to talk? |
| 18:51.03 | einvalrapter | stew: i have what i need but still worth noting that if the winblows disk is full or needs to be resized it can blow the mswinblows |
| 18:51.10 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: I think PostLogin is what you want |
| 18:51.29 | einvalrapter | stew: i for one welcome that btw :) |
| 18:51.46 | Harzilein | Kronuz: i'm still on it... |
| 18:51.50 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: That gets run as root, after the login is successful but before anything else happens |
| 18:52.03 | Kronuz | Harzilein: sure, thanks |
| 18:52.09 | MadDwarf | can anyone assist finding out where the errors are with my 3D? i do not appear to have glxgears or glxinfo CLI commands, |
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| 18:52.19 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: you were wanting to clear the home directory and reinstall /etc/skel? |
| 18:52.34 | stew | einvalrapter: i don't understand why are you telling me about your windows disk becoming full? is this somehow debian related? |
| 18:52.58 | \amethyst | create an /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default shell script with the commands you need |
| 18:53.12 | pl1 | so I have an x11vnc server setup to start with gdm on a box I am using as a media pc for my non-HD TV. the vnc connection is so I can use my laptop as a remote control so to speak, however, x11vnc is sending overlaid video to the client. This makes the client unbearable slow when I want to start or stop a video, is there a way to disable overlay in x11vnc |
| 18:53.28 | einvalrapter | stew: debian via slashdot install (leave it!) i love the non-winblows environment |
| 18:53.38 | einvalrapter | it was making me sick ;) |
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| 18:53.49 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: in xdm it's /etc/X11/xdm/Xstartup |
| 18:54.05 | einvalrapter | stew: we have alot of voters and the next thing to code is an apache gui, like that ? |
| 18:54.25 | Harzilein | Kronuz: ok, so i think we are both using hal |
| 18:54.59 | Harzilein | Kronuz: there's likely a way to exclude devices from hal but of course i'd like to know hat those "volumes" are in the first place |
| 18:55.02 | einvalrapter | 320 something voters 30 million users atleast, man GNU/Linux really kicks ass in every department these days |
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| 18:55.23 | Harzilein | Kronuz: is there some kind of "properties" entry in their context menu? |
| 18:55.27 | einvalrapter | Can you afford to not use linux! :) |
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| 18:55.55 | Kronuz | Harzilein: nope, not really :( |
| 18:56.03 | einvalrapter | ^ms shit but this time it even makes sence :P |
| 18:56.14 | cheesebo1 | is debian better than ubuntu? |
| 18:56.23 | Kronuz | Harzilein: it just says "465.8 GB Volume" (one of them, and the other just different size) |
| 18:56.26 | einvalrapter | same same but different |
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| 18:56.30 | Ronin | cheesebo1: of course |
| 18:56.32 | einvalrapter | cheesebo1, |
| 18:56.36 | cheesebo1 | why? |
| 18:56.38 | einvalrapter | ^ |
| 18:56.50 | \amethyst | Because you're asking in #debian |
| 18:56.50 | pl1 | I'd argue that the majority of people on earth have used a *nix based system |
| 18:56.55 | cheesebo1 | im think abot switchin distros |
| 18:56.55 | Kronuz | Harzilein: and when I dobleclick on any of them, I get an error |
| 18:56.59 | Harzilein | Kronuz: do you have partitions like that? maybe a windows partition? |
| 18:57.01 | MadDwarf | Hi. I've managed to mess up my 3D graphics. Was working ok in Gnome, but I swtched to KDE and now any 3D will crash ... sometimes to desktop, sometimes to console. I'm not sure how to log the errors, as often they scroll off-screen |
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| 18:57.03 | MadDwarf | can anyone assist finding out where the errors are with my 3D? i do not appear to have glxgears or glxinfo CLI commands, |
| 18:57.05 | \amethyst | pl1: what do you mean by "used"? |
| 18:57.25 | Ronin | cheesebo1: seeing as you're in #debian we of course will say debian is better just as #ubuntu will say ubuntu is better |
| 18:57.29 | Kronuz | Harzilein: yes, I have a NTFS that's that size |
| 18:57.32 | cheesebo1 | but is there any fact reasons its better? |
| 18:57.37 | einvalrapter | I must complain a bit though, etch BETA wasnt perfect (hehe/the irony:) |
| 18:57.38 | maddash | MadDwarf: /var/log/ |
| 18:57.39 | cheesebo1 | not opionion |
| 18:57.41 | Kronuz | Harzilein: and the other one I don't know where is from |
| 18:57.49 | stew | cheesebo1: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 18:57.56 | Kronuz | (the 99 GB one, that's not a windows partition) |
| 18:58.02 | pl1 | I meant used in the broadest sense :-P |
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| 18:58.13 | Harzilein | Kronuz: then you are likely lacking ntfs support, but you must ask someone else on how to include that ;) |
| 18:58.21 | stew | cheesebo1: you are not likely to get a meaningful comparison of distros here, you might try ##linux |
| 18:58.29 | MadDwarf | cheesebo1: I have many files in /var/log |
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| 18:58.53 | Kronuz | Harzilein: nope, very unlikely, I have my NTFS partition even mounted (with write support and all) |
| 18:58.56 | MadDwarf | maddash: sorry, not cheesebo1. |
| 18:58.58 | Harzilein | Kronuz: i'll find out if hal provides a command line version of that device list which might be a bit more verbose |
| 18:59.00 | Kronuz | Harzilein: I use it all the time |
| 18:59.01 | signuts | adj, I may be retarded but I was hoping for a 'guided script' of sorts. I mean there are not too many steps to building an iso |
| 18:59.12 | Harzilein | Kronuz: how did you mount it? with fuse? |
| 18:59.18 | pl1 | so anyway how about disabling video overlay over x11vnc |
| 18:59.22 | tvynr | I've managed to get a Debian-based LiveCD to load and run in a tmpfs. I have the following question about the boot process, though; is it safe for me to leave things which are not the root filesystem mounted on that tmpfs even after the chroot to the root filesystem occurs or will that cause the junk on the initramfs to hang around and unnecessarily consume resources? |
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| 18:59.40 | Kronuz | Harzilein: (I use the NTFS partition all the time) ntfs-3g |
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| 19:00.06 | apk | All the wxwidgets programs I install on Etch are ugly. Is there something I can do about that? |
| 19:00.14 | maddash | MadDwarf: /var/log/X<tab> |
| 19:00.19 | adj | signuts: live cd, or install iso? |
| 19:01.06 | signuts | adj, install iso |
| 19:01.26 | signuts | I just found dfsbuild after some google massaging which seams to be my ticket |
| 19:01.35 | einvalrapter | Hardware wise things will get alot better as almost all companies see the benefits of supporting the networkers of companies world wide. (Ps canonblows) |
| 19:01.36 | MadDwarf | maddash: Xorg.0.log ok, found this. lots of info ... no errors as I have not run 3D this restart |
| 19:01.39 | adj | signuts: http://www.instalinux.com/ |
| 19:01.57 | einvalrapter | maddog is pretty cool |
| 19:02.03 | signuts | adj, thx |
| 19:02.10 | Kronuz | Harzilein: I can't remember if ntfs-3g used fuse, I think it does |
| 19:02.29 | \amethyst | Harzilein: it does |
| 19:02.32 | maddash | MadDwarf: I'm assuming that you can't start X11 because of your 3D problems. what video card is this? |
| 19:02.43 | einvalrapter | Im mad like anydogs :) .. if i dont know.. it would be strange |
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| 19:03.13 | MadDwarf | maddash: I can start X, am in KDE now. i am using a GeForce 6600, and installed drivers using a "one-line-install" (with lots of &&) |
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| 19:04.19 | einvalrapter | Its a beta for testing ? http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gadminhttpd/gadminhttpd-0.0.2-beta8.tar.gz |
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| 19:05.05 | maddash | MadDwarf: so what are you asking about? |
| 19:05.06 | cwheeler | hi, I want to run 2 monitors on my nvidia card in debian, anyone got experience and pointers? |
| 19:05.14 | evilbulgarian | hi, anyone know how i can flush the queue on sendmail |
| 19:05.35 | \amethyst | WTF? It sounds like my sound card is picking up CB or police band radio signals |
| 19:05.38 | adj | cwheeler: twinview, xinerama, mergedfb. look them up =) |
| 19:05.50 | MadDwarf | maddash: I cannot run any 3D applications. they instantly crash. |
| 19:05.53 | maddash | does it make sense to run KVM and Xen side-by-side? |
| 19:05.58 | adj | cwheeler: you probably want twinview or mergedfb |
| 19:06.03 | Kronuz | Harzilein: what's hal exactly? |
| 19:06.19 | einvalrapter | MadDwarf: you tossed it a oneliner and expect her to fall for it... try the baylinerliner model with a trampoline up in front (Thats the sexxi:P) |
| 19:06.19 | Kronuz | Harzilein: it just searches for possible devices that canbe mounted? |
| 19:06.22 | cheesebo1 | can i fit debian with xfce on 1gig? |
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| 19:06.33 | karsten | cheesebo1: yes. |
| 19:06.34 | dkr | yes |
| 19:06.35 | Catachan | okay, uhm, this is likely a silly question, but am I correct in thinking that i can use any kernel with a debian install? |
| 19:06.41 | maddash | cheesebo1: dubious |
| 19:06.47 | karsten | cheesebo1: That's not a whole lot of slack space, but it's doable. |
| 19:06.48 | Harzilein | Kronuz: yes |
| 19:06.58 | einvalrapter | I have many nooooooooob .. ya gots ones amen ? |
| 19:07.01 | Catachan | like, the kernel won't break any major features of Debian, right? |
| 19:07.08 | karsten | cheesebo1: Why so little space? |
| 19:07.08 | cheesebo1 | how much space would i have left? |
| 19:07.15 | cheesebo1 | pendrive |
| 19:07.18 | einvalrapter | Omg, sweet |
| 19:07.26 | karsten | cheesebo1: Depends on what you install. A minimal X installation is going to run you about 350MB IIRC. |
| 19:07.55 | karsten | cheesebo1: A minimal console-only install can pack into as little as 125 MB. You might also look at Knoppix (or other liveCD) with a pendrive home option. |
| 19:07.56 | cwheeler | thanks adj |
| 19:08.11 | karsten | cheesebo1: Why carry your OS on the pendrive when you can keep it on a CD. |
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| 19:08.22 | maddash | Is 2.6.20 too new for folks here? |
| 19:08.34 | Kevin` | karsten it's readwrite |
| 19:08.35 | einvalrapter | karsten: we love your work man, truely awesome! |
| 19:08.35 | cheesebo1 | karsten i wnt changes to be sved |
| 19:08.49 | cwheeler | evilbulgarian sendmail -q |
| 19:08.55 | cheesebo1 | karsten can i use cd and pendrive together? |
| 19:09.13 | karsten | einvalrapter: ?? |
| 19:09.24 | karsten | cheesebo1: Yes, though that's properly a Knoppix question. |
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| 19:09.34 | MadDwarf | can anyone advise a place to get help (tried googling all week). I am not up-to-speed on Linux commands or file-structure. Really, I just want my game to work! |
| 19:09.38 | karsten | Kevin`: What's readwrite? The pen drive? |
| 19:09.44 | cheesebo1 | can't be done with just debian? |
| 19:09.57 | Kevin` | yes karsten |
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| 19:10.23 | karsten | cheesebo1: There's a newish sortof livecd thing, but honestly, booting Knoppix is a 99.9% solution IMO, and the work's done for you. |
| 19:10.40 | karsten | einvalrapter: I mean, I'll take full credit, but I've no idea what you're referring to. |
| 19:10.43 | maddash | MadDwarf: if you want glx* - install mesa-utils |
| 19:10.59 | Harzilein | Kronuz: so you wanted to get rid of those partition icons, yes? |
| 19:11.26 | Maerz | i somehow fucked up my apt.. |
| 19:11.40 | MadDwarf | maddash: i'm sorry, I'm not sure what you just said. Do I want glx*? |
| 19:11.41 | Kronuz | Harzilein: basically, yes |
| 19:11.53 | Kronuz | Harzilein: they're useless if I can't mount them |
| 19:12.06 | Maerz | can't install mysql-server-5.0 because of not-installable dependencies |
| 19:12.33 | Harzilein | Kronuz: maybe it is just because they are already mounted? |
| 19:12.45 | maddash | 14:57:00 <MadDwarf> can anyone assist finding out where the errors are with my 3D? i do not appear to have glxgears or glxinfo CLI commands, |
| 19:12.48 | einvalrapter | karsten: you have balance and we like it, you dont just kick people before having a chat with them and thats admireable, cant tell you who or what these are but you have our full admiration. You should know that |
| 19:12.56 | Harzilein | Kronuz: maybe pastebin the output of mount somewhere? |
| 19:12.59 | Kronuz | hmm.. Harzilein could be, but it's unlikely, I get a weird error message |
| 19:13.03 | Kronuz | let me see |
| 19:13.08 | karsten | einvalrapter: I'm also not an op, which makes kicking that much harder. |
| 19:13.12 | tvynr | Maerz: does "apt-get install -f" help? |
| 19:13.14 | karsten | einvalrapter: But thanks. |
| 19:13.30 | Maerz | nope |
| 19:13.33 | MadDwarf | maddash: indeed, i do not seem to have these glx commands. i do not know if i need them (tho i probably do) or how to install them |
| 19:13.35 | maddash | karsten: what's with the arse-smooching? |
| 19:13.47 | karsten | maddash: NFC |
| 19:13.59 | karsten | maddash: Apparently someone thinks I'm ops ;-) |
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| 19:14.44 | maddash | einvalrapter: try /msg dpkg ops |
| 19:14.47 | einvalrapter | karsten: Np, keep up the good work. maybe the ops needs to relax some, we have seen you kick excellent coders and by that intrigues a qualified question.. are they doing their jobs? |
| 19:15.07 | einvalrapter | madd_matt: no need, msg delivered and well met |
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| 19:15.22 | karsten | einvalrapter: You sure you've got the right karsten? |
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| 19:15.41 | tvynr | MadDwarf: If all you want is glxgears, that's in mesa-utils. |
| 19:15.44 | einvalrapter | karsten: yes, as sure as im the right coder at arms |
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| 19:15.48 | maddash | einvalrapter: /msg dpkg ops list will give you a list of the appropriate arses to kiss |
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| 19:16.01 | tvynr | MadDwarf: But I'm assuming the problem runs deeper? |
| 19:16.05 | Harzilein | .oO( great, so much for my success fix ;) |
| 19:16.53 | einvalrapter | karsten: Im pleased with the opSS actions, if i dislike them later for a faul they might have comitted its just political ;) |
| 19:16.59 | MadDwarf | tvynr: I want my game to run, but no 3D is working. I have just got mesa-utils from synaptic, but i get seg faults when running glxgears |
| 19:17.10 | MadDwarf | tvynr: i thin kthe problem runs quite deep |
| 19:17.12 | Kronuz | Harzilein: http://1t2.us/295 |
| 19:17.18 | Kronuz | that's the error I get |
| 19:17.41 | einvalrapter | karsten: so not fans then you think ? |
| 19:17.45 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Sounds fun. Make/model of video card, version of drivers, how they were installed, and the driver specified in your X config file, please. :) |
| 19:17.49 | einvalrapter | hehe |
| 19:17.55 | einvalrapter | the world is big |
| 19:18.00 | einvalrapter | at times |
| 19:18.11 | Harzilein | Kronuz: definitely install pmount, it is suggested for thunar (xfce file manager) as well |
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| 19:18.29 | tvynr | MadDwarf: While we're at it, which game? |
| 19:18.32 | Kronuz | hmm.. I dont' have pmount installed :P |
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| 19:18.42 | Kronuz | is that what the problem is ? |
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| 19:18.54 | Harzilein | Kronuz: and i read something in the thunar docs that users need an additional per-session hal daemon on gnome |
| 19:19.03 | Kronuz | Harzilein: nope, I do have it installed tho' |
| 19:19.09 | MadDwarf | tvynr: Nvidia Geforce6600, NeverWinterNights. but NO 3D works - OpenGL Screensavers, nexuiz game, glxgears ... all crash |
| 19:19.09 | Harzilein | Kronuz: no, it just adds to the error messages and we want just the nasty ones ;) |
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| 19:19.20 | Kronuz | oh :) |
| 19:19.23 | einvalrapter | karsten: This from a reodc umch nievla :) |
| 19:19.36 | tvynr | MadDwarf: How did you install the nVidia drivers? Official vendor installer or module-assistant? |
| 19:19.37 | MadDwarf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.37 | MadDwarf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.02 | ecker | Can someone take a look at this paste.bin ( http://ace.pastey.net/9069)and tell me what i need todo to get this wireless pci card working. |
| 19:20.18 | MadDwarf | i used tis line to install: apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 19:20.22 | Kronuz | Harzilein: there's a hal-device-manager package that's not installed (hal is)... |
| 19:20.30 | einvalrapter | lets see if you like information freedom... |
| 19:20.35 | stew | einvalrapter: do you have anything at all that is actually on-topic? |
| 19:20.54 | einvalrapter | w8, i will iab |
| 19:21.04 | Harzilein | Kronuz: if you install it, it might make the necessary changes to have the per-session daemon run in your gnome startup files |
| 19:21.13 | stew | einvalrapter: you seem to just be spouting random nonsense at people that nobody understands |
| 19:21.25 | einvalrapter | check for freedom |
| 19:21.25 | einvalrapter | * Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 19:21.28 | maddash | stew: sounds like my spam box |
| 19:21.32 | einvalrapter | Guess not |
| 19:21.39 | Harzilein | einvalrapter: yeah, that bugs me too |
| 19:21.46 | einvalrapter | Karsten... |
| 19:21.57 | Harzilein | einvalrapter: needing to register somewhere just so i can msg people annoys me greatly |
| 19:22.10 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Which modules are being loaded on the X server's start? |
| 19:22.12 | Kronuz | Harzilein: there are a bunch of things listed there |
| 19:22.18 | Kronuz | (devices) |
| 19:22.25 | MadDwarf | tvynr: how to find that info? |
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| 19:22.28 | einvalrapter | Harzilein: rotten users, i wanna know everything from big to small |
| 19:22.29 | Kronuz | ... interesting |
| 19:22.40 | tvynr | MadDwarf: In section "Module" of your xorg.conf |
| 19:22.49 | einvalrapter | Harzilein: shame on them for not keeping an open channel |
| 19:22.51 | MadDwarf | Section "Module" |
| 19:22.51 | MadDwarf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.51 | MadDwarf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.52 | MadDwarf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:23.06 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Yeah, you'll want to retype them. |
| 19:23.15 | MadDwarf | ok sorry about that flood 8o( |
| 19:23.18 | maddash | !tell MadDwarf about paster |
| 19:23.26 | stew | einvalrapter: i've silenced you for 10 minutes. you don't seem to have anything at all debian related. in the future please keep it on-topic |
| 19:23.33 | maddash | !tell MadDwarf about pastebin |
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| 19:23.47 | tvynr | MadDwarf: For reference, my nVidia 7300GS runs fine with: i2c bitmap ddc extmod freetype glx int10 vbe |
| 19:24.16 | tvynr | MadDwarf: dri is in my config but I commented it out; I understand it's known to cause problems. |
| 19:24.26 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Are you running a Debian stock kernel? |
| 19:25.15 | MadDwarf | tvynr: yes, stock kernel |
| 19:25.34 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Okay. Hmm. |
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| 19:26.29 | tvynr | MadDwarf: For reference, what does "dpkg -l | grep nvidia-kernel-2" produce for you? |
| 19:26.31 | maddash | at the risk of incurring dpkg's wrath for reposting: does it make sense to run KVM and Xen side-by-side? |
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| 19:27.44 | MadDwarf | ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-11 NVIDIA bin ary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18 |
| 19:27.47 | Harzilein | Kronuz: the partitions too? |
| 19:28.16 | Kronuz | Harzilein: in the hal-device-manager? |
| 19:28.22 | Harzilein | yes |
| 19:28.26 | Kronuz | it's hard to tell, there are so many things there... |
| 19:28.39 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Hrm... this is getting vexing. You're running the same stock kernel I am (except I'm on an amd64) with the same nVidia drivers built the same way. |
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| 19:28.54 | MadDwarf | tvynr: yes, most vexing 8o( |
| 19:28.59 | tvynr | MadDwarf: When did you install this root of Debian? Have you had 3D problems before? Have you ever used the vendor driver installer? |
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| 19:29.56 | tvynr | MadDwarf: *frowns, thinks* I'm assuming having you test planetpenguin-racer (my iconic test for 3D on a Linux box *g*) is rather pointless? |
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| 19:30.08 | MadDwarf | tvynr: I installed Debian last weekend with a net-install of Etch. I did have 3D workign under Gnome, but then I installed KDE and started using it, and now 3D is ot working 8o( |
| 19:30.46 | MadDwarf | i do not know if i have planetpenguinracer - but I do have nexuiz Doom-clone - crashes |
| 19:30.49 | Kronuz | Harzilein: my hard drives are listed |
| 19:30.52 | Konky | does anyone know a nice download application like "wget" that can be "bound" to a ip ? |
| 19:30.53 | Harzilein | Kronuz: try adding yourself to the plugdev group |
| 19:30.55 | Kronuz | Harzilein: SATA hard drives |
| 19:31.04 | Konky | without firewall tricks |
| 19:31.06 | Konky | plugdev ? |
| 19:31.08 | Konky | sorry, missread |
| 19:31.10 | Konky | not my nick :) |
| 19:31.14 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Well, installing KDE isn't exactly likely to have screwed up your 3D configuration. But I assume you've tested 3D under Gnome again and no dice. Are you in the "video" group? (Use "id" from the command line to find out.) |
| 19:31.16 | Sittics | Stew - Oberon, Psyche, Calamitys, Overloards on the einvals |
| 19:31.20 | Kronuz | Harzilein: and then what? |
| 19:31.27 | Sittics | Make it so |
| 19:31.27 | MadDwarf | actually, I cannot get back into Gnome ... |
| 19:31.41 | stew | Sittics: huh? |
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| 19:31.57 | Sittics | Its of importance, youll see |
| 19:31.58 | MadDwarf | tvynr: I am in group Video |
| 19:32.04 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Hmm. I wonder if your whole display system is somehow borked. Consider investigating the problem with getting back into Gnome... it might be related. |
| 19:32.22 | MadDwarf | tvynr: the main problem with gettign gnome back is I do not know how |
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| 19:32.24 | tvynr | MadDwarf: If you do ls /dev/nvidia*, you get two devices? nvidia0 and nvidiactl? |
| 19:32.50 | MadDwarf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.15 | Harzilein | Kronuz: there's some check in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf if you are in that group in order for the request to mount the volume to be handled by the system hald |
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| 19:33.37 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Hmm. Alright... you're familiar with the X log files, right? For you, they should be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and so forth. |
| 19:33.46 | MadDwarf | tvynr: I know of them |
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| 19:33.53 | einvalrapter | thanks friends! |
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| 19:34.10 | einvalrapter | thanks Stew, sorry if i upset anyone |
| 19:34.25 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Try logging into Gnome. It won't work, but then copy the logfile /var/log/Xorg.0.log to somewhere else. Log back into KDE and put the logfile you copied up on the pastebin. |
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| 19:35.01 | tvynr | MadDwarf: I'm wondering if something is wrong with your entire display configuration that KDE is working around and that Gnome either can't or won't ignore. |
| 19:35.26 | MadDwarf | tvynr: i do not know how to get gnome back. A friend switched me to KDE with a xinitrc?? file? |
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| 19:36.59 | Kronuz | Harzilein: I already was part of that group :( |
| 19:37.08 | MadDwarf | tvynr: x does not auto-run. I log in at console and use "startx" |
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| 19:37.22 | MadDwarf | tvynr: currently startx loads kde |
| 19:37.26 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Oh my. Um... fun. |
| 19:37.41 | tvynr | MadDwarf: See, usually you'd set up a login manager like gdm or kdm and you'd pick the session type from there. |
| 19:38.04 | tvynr | MadDwarf: So it's not that Gnome is broken but that you simply don't know how to get back to it? |
| 19:38.18 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Can you pastebin your ~/.xinitrc? |
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| 19:38.37 | MadDwarf | tvynr: yes, but previously i was unable to run any GUI/DM/WM ... and when i tried , it corrupted my console display, so I switched off X auto running, so I could do SOMETHING |
| 19:38.57 | hark | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 19:39.37 | tvynr | MadDwarf: See... red flags are going up in my head right there. I mean, you need to be able to use the machine, yes. But you *should* be able to use a simple window manager or something is seriously wrong. |
| 19:39.45 | MadDwarf | my .xinitrc file contains one line: startkde |
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| 19:40.35 | tvynr | MadDwarf: One sec. I have something here that might help... |
| 19:41.08 | intruder | if unices is the plurial for unix, can we say linuces ? |
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| 19:41.16 | Harzilein | Kronuz: i'm running out of juice a bit bc i did not sleep this night (damn important stuff during the day ;) |
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| 19:41.33 | stew | intruder: is there more than on linux? |
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| 19:41.38 | MadDwarf | tvynr: when i 1st installed Debian, it tried to use 'nv' driver - I could not get ANY display to work right until I managed to swap it to 'vesa' ... after this, i installed the 'nvidia' drivers |
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| 19:41.56 | intruder | stew: yes, we could consider distributions as many linuces |
| 19:42.01 | Kronuz | Harzilein: don't worry, we can try again some other time... at least you've given me some direction (it's the hal thing) |
| 19:42.11 | intruder | in fact we should say, gnu/linuces :P |
| 19:42.13 | Harzilein | Kronuz: i'm still trying to find out what this per-session-daemon is that the thunar docs refer to... but i refuse to install gnome and pull over lots of data just to check that |
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| 19:42.37 | Kronuz | Harzilein: don't worry, thanks for the help :) |
| 19:42.40 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Well, "vesa" should *work*, but badly. No acceleration at all. One sec; lemme throw together an ~/.xinitrc that'll give you some options. |
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| 19:43.19 | s0cke | Hi! When I try to run nfs-kernel-server I always get an error: localhost.localdomain:/mnt/export: Function not implemented <- Any ideas? |
| 19:43.26 | intruder | stew: i heard this many times and i know this is true: we say when pointing a room full of computer running unix "these are 20 unices" |
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| 19:44.06 | tvynr | MadDwarf: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5787 |
| 19:44.28 | intruder | stew: see http://archives.seul.org/seul/edu/Dec-1999/msg00071.html, i just found this |
| 19:44.43 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Use that ~/.xinitrc and then do the following to launch Gnome: startx -- :1 |
| 19:44.44 | MadDwarf | tvynr: replace my exisitng .xinitrc with that? |
| 19:44.47 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Yeah |
| 19:44.55 | MadDwarf | startx --:1 |
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| 19:45.04 | tvynr | MadDwarf: If you do that, you can run KDE on Ctrl+Alt+F7 and Gnome on Ctrl+Alt+F8. |
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| 19:45.17 | scruffy | iceweasel 2.0.0.2+dfsg-3, X server DPI of 100, about:config's layout.css.dpi = 100, all fonts look OK except for any default fonts (forms not styled, etc) that look about 24pt. Is there a fix for this? Something I can put into userChrome.css? |
| 19:45.25 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Then you can use the Gnome session to play around with 3D and see if it's the variable. |
| 19:45.33 | MadDwarf | tvynr: OK thynx .... one moment |
| 19:46.14 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Honestly, though, at this point I would be *very* tempted to back up your root and reinstall Debian. It sounds like it didn't go over well the first time and it'd be the simplest solution IMHO. |
| 19:46.17 | MadDwarf | tvynr: can i have kde and gnome running? |
| 19:46.26 | tvynr | MadDwarf: What is your feel on the possibilty that your video card is losing its mind? |
| 19:46.44 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Yeah. You can start multiple X sessions. startx -- :1 tells X to start on display :1 |
| 19:46.50 | MadDwarf | tvynr: i hope my card is not busted. can't afford to replace right now |
| 19:46.56 | tvynr | MadDwarf: And your new ~/.xinitrc runs gnome-session on :1 |
| 19:47.48 | tvynr | MadDwarf: FYI, I just bought a GeForce 7100GS from Newegg (manufactured by eVGA) for ~$60 US. It's not great for heavy gaming but it's a sweet little low-power fanless card. And eVGA's tech support is amazing. |
| 19:47.54 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Just in case it comes to that. |
| 19:48.14 | tvynr | MadDwarf: I don't suppose there's anything suspicious in your dmesg after a wants-to-be-3D program segfaults. |
| 19:48.21 | MadDwarf | tvynr: ok, gnome is up n running, with no 3D |
| 19:48.26 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Also... can you play videos at all? |
| 19:48.35 | wols | MadDwarf: what chip is it? |
| 19:48.47 | MadDwarf | Intel p4 3GHz CPU |
| 19:48.53 | wols | the videocard... |
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| 19:49.05 | tvynr | wols: <MadDwarf> tvynr: Nvidia Geforce6600, NeverWinterNights. but NO 3D works - OpenGL Screensavers, nexuiz game, glxgears ... all crash |
| 19:49.06 | MadDwarf | no idea what chip is on it ... GeForce6600 |
| 19:49.27 | MadDwarf | tvynr: dmsg? |
| 19:49.35 | wols | MadDwarf: glx is not properly installed most likes (if nvidia.ko is loaded that is) |
| 19:49.43 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Run "dmesg" from the prompt and take a look at the last twenty lines or so. Anything suspicious? |
| 19:49.59 | wols | tvynr: and a 7100 is not good enough to beat a 6600 imho |
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| 19:50.23 | tvynr | wols: Didn't say it'd beat it. I was suggesting it as a cheap replacement. :) |
| 19:50.33 | tvynr | wols: btw, to get you up to speed: <MadDwarf> i used tis line to install: apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 19:51.12 | MadDwarf | anything is good enough to beat what i have right now |
| 19:51.12 | tvynr | btw, MadDwarf: When you used that install command, I assume you then configured Xorg in a series text-UI dialogs? |
| 19:51.28 | tvynr | MadDwarf: 'cause the command you pasted will bail out if anything goes wrong... |
| 19:51.32 | MadDwarf | tvynr: yes i configured Xorg in some text-dialogues |
| 19:51.42 | hark | maybe you can exchange cards? |
| 19:51.49 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Okay, good. 'cause otherwise, one of the intermediate commands might've failed. |
| 19:53.09 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Just stabbing in the dark here. "dpkg -l | grep nvidia | cut -b 4-38" and tell me which packages come up? |
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| 19:54.45 | MadDwarf | i get: nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-2.6.18.4-686, nvidia-common and nvidia-source |
| 19:55.36 | MadDwarf | dmesg info (all of it) pasted here; http://channels.debian.net/paste/5788. |
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| 19:57.06 | Kronuz | hey, who has experience building stuff in debian? |
| 19:57.19 | Kronuz | I need to know how to get the sys/utime.h header |
| 19:57.20 | azeem | Kronuz: try to be more specific |
| 19:57.31 | azeem | !search |
| 19:57.31 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 19:57.32 | stew | Kronuz: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 19:57.44 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 19:57.59 | Kronuz | is apt-cache for searching stuff in packages? |
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| 19:58.09 | azeem | Kronuz: no, read the rest of the factoid |
| 19:58.11 | stew | Kronuz: no, for search package names and descriptions |
| 19:58.19 | stew | ^search^searching |
| 19:58.21 | tvynr | Um... so, MadDwarf: Have you ever used the nVidia official vendor blob? It'd be a file named NVIDIA*.run. See, I'm seeing in your dmesg that your kernel module is 1.0-9755, but I thought your packages were versioned differently from that. |
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| 19:58.33 | scruffy | I don't use KDE, but I have a few applications that use Qt widgets. How can I change the default font size for the UI? I don't seem to have a qtconfig. |
| 19:58.35 | Sin | hi |
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| 19:58.58 | MadDwarf | tvynr: yes, i beleive i did try a NVIDIAblahblahblah.run thingy |
| 19:59.00 | tvynr | Kronuz: If you want to know what's in a specific package, use "dpkg -L <packagename>". But I think you want to install linux-headers-<yourkernelversion>. Use "apt-cache search linux-headers" to see your options. |
| 19:59.08 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Okay, I think that's your problem. |
| 19:59.16 | tvynr | MadDwarf: You have two different nVidia drivers installed at the moment. |
| 19:59.19 | kevinl-- | hey folks, this might sound like kindof a newb question, but im running etch, i have an s3virge video card and a monitor that supports high resolutions, yet i am unable to get a good resolution on my X/gnome. i ran through a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org and the x11.org config file has high resolutions and the s3virge driver, any hints ? |
| 19:59.20 | Kronuz | thanks |
| 19:59.22 | Kronuz | :) |
| 19:59.26 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Needless to say, they're fighting. |
| 19:59.33 | Kronuz | apt-file is exactly what I needed, I suppose |
| 19:59.35 | Kronuz | :) |
| 19:59.39 | tvynr | MadDwarf: I think you need to do the following; it might help. |
| 19:59.44 | MadDwarf | tvynr: ok .... wipe'n'start-over? |
| 19:59.55 | tvynr | MadDwarf: First, find the NVIDIA*.run file and run it using the argument "--uninstall" |
| 20:00.17 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Then, apt-get remove nvidia* and check dpkg to make sure all your nVidia stuff is gone. |
| 20:00.31 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Then do the m-a thing again and reload the kernel module. Then restart your X session. |
| 20:00.52 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Although if you don't have a lot invested in your current Debian build, I think wiping and starting over would be a safer (if cruder) bet. |
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| 20:01.38 | tvynr | MadDwarf: After all, who knows what kind of crap the NVIDIA*.run did to your system? If you don't use it oddly (make sure you always use --uninstall and stuff) it seems to work okay; I used it for a while. But it starts getting pretty daffy if anything weird happens. |
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| 20:02.05 | tvynr | MadDwarf: You might want to boot into Knoppix or something and make a tarball of your current root just in case you change your mind. But that'd be your call as well. |
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| 20:02.32 | MadDwarf | tvynr: i have little important on here - i have 3 partitions, /, swap and /home ... can i just wipe /, or would it be better to wipe it all, just to be sure? |
| 20:02.39 | Kronuz | it seems the problem was only the utime.h file is someplace else for some reason in debian ^_^ |
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| 20:02.49 | eleftherios | for an intel core duo 2 what kernel do I need? |
| 20:03.09 | stew | Kronuz: where were you expecting it to be? |
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| 20:03.27 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Well, swap doesn't need to be wiped 'cause it's useless between boots. You *can* wipe /home... but I don't think you need to if you don't want. Just wipe that ~/.xinitrc before you reinstall. |
| 20:03.30 | tvynr | MadDwarf: However... |
| 20:03.59 | Kronuz | stew, <sys/utime.h> |
| 20:04.19 | tvynr | MadDwarf: I'm of the camp that says the less partitions, the better. I always partition / and swap. No reason for /home to be on another partition, IMHO. And I always make a backup of it if I have to reinstall. |
| 20:04.39 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Of course, if you're stuck with a single drive, partitioning /home elsewhere could be a good move. |
| 20:05.04 | stew | Kronuz: what are you compiling? |
| 20:05.11 | MadDwarf | tvynr: single drive. I have often been advised to seperate / and /home ,,, just in case i need to wipe / |
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| 20:05.24 | tvynr | MadDwarf: If you only have one drive, then yeah... that sounds like a good plan. |
| 20:05.27 | rpmx | I probed this sentence: zcat backup5000files.tar.gz | tar -tf - | xargs grep -al word This ok but |
| 20:05.28 | rpmx | <rpmx> with the true backup zcat backup50GB.tar.gz | tar -tf - | xargs grep -al user |
| 20:05.28 | rpmx | <rpmx> return zero files , the contain backup are files of Maildir please need help , I probed this 4 dias ago |
| 20:05.37 | MadDwarf | tvynr: and I will make a backup when it is a fit state to do so! 8o) |
| 20:05.47 | tvynr | MadDwarf: My desktop has two storage devices, so I just copy /home to the second one if I wipe. |
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| 20:06.26 | tvynr | MadDwarf: You have a point. Thing is, my /home is about a year old at this point. I had to reinstall 3 weeks ago 'cause I did something... really stupid... and having /home already set up probably saved me half a day of work. |
| 20:06.37 | Kronuz | stew: DOSBox |
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| 20:06.50 | tvynr | Kronuz: Any particular reason? There's a DOSBox Debian package. |
| 20:06.54 | games_ | again me :) so what line ? i only know that unstable |
| 20:06.55 | stew | !wayc Kronuz |
| 20:06.55 | dpkg | Kronuz: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 20:06.59 | Kronuz | I'm a DOSBox developer |
| 20:07.06 | Kronuz | (sort of) |
| 20:07.08 | tvynr | Kronuz: Ah ha. Good reason. |
| 20:07.10 | stew | Kronuz: apt-get build-dep dosbox |
| 20:07.11 | Kronuz | :D |
| 20:07.23 | MadDwarf | tvynr: yes, very useful to save what ya can between installs. |
| 20:07.29 | games_ | anybody can help me ? :) |
| 20:07.37 | cheesebo1 | Kronuz can win98 be installed in dosbox? |
| 20:07.44 | cheesebo1 | j/w |
| 20:07.48 | tvynr | games_: With what? |
| 20:07.59 | games_ | i want install kvm, |
| 20:08.02 | CcSsNET | cheesebo1 thats a good question |
| 20:08.16 | tvynr | games_: Ah. I don't think I can help there; I've never used it. |
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| 20:08.21 | games_ | what should i add to sources.list ? |
| 20:08.29 | tvynr | games_: One sec. |
| 20:08.35 | games_ | tvynr: how add unstable packages to sources.list ? |
| 20:08.41 | Kronuz | cheesebo1: nope, not that I know of |
| 20:08.45 | stew | games_: what version are you running now? |
| 20:08.53 | games_ | i already have unstable contrib, but it's dont contain kvm |
| 20:08.55 | MadDwarf | OK, wipe-time. thanx for all your help, tvynr. will return later to let you know how it went. any advice for avoiding this in the future? which nvidia driver/installation method would you reccomend? |
| 20:08.55 | games_ | 3.1 |
| 20:08.55 | tvynr | games_: Edit your sources.list and copy your "testing" line. Then just change "testing" on the new line to "unstable". |
| 20:09.00 | Kronuz | cheesebo1: although I read somewhere someone has made some advances towards there |
| 20:09.08 | games_ | tvynr: testing, dont contain kvm |
| 20:09.14 | games_ | when i do it, i have errors :/ |
| 20:09.16 | stew | games_: you should not mix stable and unstable, use a backport instead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:09.17 | games_ | but w8 mom |
| 20:09.19 | cheesebo1 | ok cool |
| 20:09.24 | MadDwarf | (what is KVM? I use a physical KVM to switch input devices for different PCs ...) |
| 20:09.29 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Use m-a if you can. Only resort to the official installer if you have to do so. And if you try m-a again after that, make sure that you uninstall the official vendor drivers first. |
| 20:09.32 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Also... |
| 20:09.39 | games_ | stew: i need only that one thing from unstable :/ |
| 20:09.44 | CcSsNET | games_ im not sure how stable you need this system, or if your just messing around. but my friend made quite the sources.list file, you can find it on my site in the refreance/config area: ccssnet.org |
| 20:09.45 | Kronuz | cheesebo1: I wouldn't count on win98 running under dosbox anytime soon tho' |
| 20:10.06 | tvynr | MadDwarf: If you start having weird problems (can't load kdm/gdm etc.) then that's a red flag likely to lead to other problems in the future. |
| 20:10.17 | tvynr | MadDwarf: If you can, use gdm or kdm (I prefer kdm) to launch your GUI sessions. |
| 20:10.58 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Best of luck to you. :) |
| 20:10.58 | stew | games_: you won't be able to install just the one package, it doends on libc6 in unstable would upgrade your entire install to unstable, use a backport |
| 20:10.58 | MadDwarf | tvynr: ok, i shall take good notice of erros, and try to record them |
| 20:10.58 | cheesebo1 | make a patch real quick :) |
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| 20:10.58 | MadDwarf | is it possible to get a new install to default to KDE ? |
| 20:10.58 | tvynr | MadDwarf: KVM is virtualization software. |
| 20:10.59 | Kronuz | hey, in gcc what's the equivalent to __TIMESTAMP__ preprocessor command? |
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| 20:11.25 | MadDwarf | ah, (K)de?(V)irtual(M)achine ... i see, |
| 20:11.28 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Not so far as I can find, no. :-/ But a good display manager (gdm and kdm both do this) will let you specify "last session type I used" when you log in. |
| 20:11.32 | stew | Kronuz: try #gcc |
| 20:11.42 | Kronuz | I used to develop DOSBox stuff, but I used to compile stuff in windows .... but now I'm running away from Vista |
| 20:12.02 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Kernel-based Virtual Machine |
| 20:12.03 | Kronuz | stew: I just figured someone might now... but yes, it's out of topic :P |
| 20:12.11 | MadDwarf | ok - wipe / reinstall from scratch ... 1st GUI boot, gdm will offer me options? |
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| 20:12.23 | Heston | does debian use a modified kernel source tree for its defualt kernel or is it just the standard linux kernel? |
| 20:12.36 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Yeah, as long as options exist. After a Debian install, I always Ctrl+Alt+F1, log in as root, and install a couple things. |
| 20:12.52 | stew | Kronuz: sure, just trying to point you somewhere that you might have a better chance of getting an answer |
| 20:13.04 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Among them, kde, gaim, firefox, module-assistant, etc. But get KDE up under software rendering before you mess about with 3D drivers. |
| 20:13.33 | Kronuz | stew: or google ;-) |
| 20:13.46 | MadDwarf | tvynr: kde is not installed by default, i think? |
| 20:13.56 | amphi | Heston: it's patched |
| 20:13.59 | tvynr | MadDwarf: That's why I always kick over to a console on a new system and install it. ;) |
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| 20:14.40 | MadDwarf | tvynr: kk, i think i am ok for now ... a few more hours staring at scrolling text ... 8o) thanx again for help. |
| 20:14.48 | tvynr | MadDwarf: np - good luck |
| 20:14.52 | tvynr | :) |
| 20:14.56 | Heston | amphi, well any howto(which i hate by the way) just says to use the standard linux kernel for recompiling |
| 20:15.13 | sam_ | hi I am trying to make a live CD using make-live I wish to include contrib and non-free, does anyone know how to include this in the config please? |
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| 20:15.41 | amphi | Heston: you can use a vanilla kernel easily; use make-kpkg to build it |
| 20:15.46 | rpmx | I probed this sentence: zcat backup5000files.tar.gz | tar -tf - | xargs grep -al word, generated for me and return file2, file4 file6 that contain the word word. This ok but with the true backup zcat backup50GB.tar.gz | tar -tf - | xargs grep -al user return zero files , the contain backup are files of Maildir please need help , I probed this 4 dias ago |
| 20:16.01 | amphi | Heston: although, why not just use a debian kernel? |
| 20:16.13 | Heston | amphi, well id like to use debian's patched kernel, where is the debian kernel source located? |
| 20:16.29 | MadDwarf | #grabs net-inst CD, bottle of bleach and sledgehammer, prowls toward PC ... I'm going in, I may be some time ..." |
| 20:16.30 | amphi | Heston: install it |
| 20:16.49 | amphi | Heston: the tarball will be in /usr/src |
| 20:16.55 | ManuP | what is the keyword for setting user privilegs and disallow special users the use of programs? |
| 20:17.08 | amphi | ManuP: chmod? |
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| 20:17.28 | Heston | amphi, this is really pissing me off, debian needs to get some real fucking documentation sorted out |
| 20:17.51 | amphi | Heston: have you read the debian reference? |
| 20:18.31 | Heston | amphi, yes and it just skims over compiling a custom kernel |
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| 20:18.45 | amphi | Heston: it's not rocket surgery |
| 20:18.49 | ManuP | amphi, lets say, i have users in the group users and another user who should have similar rights. but he shouldnt be able to exec certain programs as links2, shutdown, finger etc |
| 20:19.04 | amphi | Heston: read the docs for kernel-package |
| 20:19.42 | hunterones | karsten wazzup ;D |
| 20:19.43 | Heston | amphi, im sorry but http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-compile is less than useful for anything |
| 20:19.51 | hunterones | wols heia :d |
| 20:19.53 | amphi | Heston: so improve it |
| 20:20.18 | Heston | amphi, improve it when im the one looking for the information? gee, thanks for that clever recommendation |
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| 20:20.46 | frankr | what's a good tool for encoding video in linux? |
| 20:20.57 | amphi | Heston: did you follow the link to http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ ? |
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| 20:21.35 | amphi | Heston: I assume not, as you said " |
| 20:21.35 | amphi | Heston: I assume not, as you said " for anything |
| 20:21.37 | amphi | er |
| 20:21.51 | Heston | amphi, i havent, although i will. |
| 20:22.01 | amphi | Heston: I assume not, as you said "http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-compile is less than useful for anything" |
| 20:22.06 | Heston | And this is what im talking about, their docs are all over the damn place |
| 20:22.09 | ManuP | isn't there a file in which i can tell: user FOO isnt allowed to exec prog1,prog2,prog3? or group BOZZ isnt allowed to exec prog4 ? |
| 20:22.17 | Heston | yes, that page itself is completely useless |
| 20:22.21 | amphi | Heston: so how can you say the page is useless? |
| 20:22.26 | amphi | !moron Heston |
| 20:22.26 | dpkg | Heston: You are moron #83 |
| 20:22.43 | Heston | another clever one from amphi |
| 20:22.50 | Heston | let me return the favour |
| 20:22.53 | Heston | !more amphi |
| 20:22.54 | amphi | Heston: fuck off, ignored |
| 20:23.02 | neobsd | hi . |
| 20:23.02 | Heston | !moron amphi |
| 20:23.02 | neobsd | . |
| 20:23.02 | dpkg | amphi: You are moron #61 |
| 20:23.06 | neobsd | . |
| 20:23.07 | neobsd | hi ...where is the package "libqt3-mt" what's the package need for it please? |
| 20:23.07 | neobsd | . |
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| 20:23.21 | neobsd | i've errors of dependec |
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| 20:25.07 | stew | Heston: if you are not satisfied with debian's documentation, please help out by writing more / better documentation. your help would be greatly appriciated |
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| 20:25.45 | Heston | stew, that's quite hard without having the damn information in the first place |
| 20:25.54 | stew | Heston: what exactly are you after? |
| 20:26.06 | Heston | id rather not have to look through 5 docs to read the same thing and a little more |
| 20:26.11 | GiabboO | is there an irc channel for BusyBox ? |
| 20:26.21 | Ronin | GiabboO: #busybox? just guessing though |
| 20:26.29 | GiabboO | :) just tried |
| 20:26.41 | Heston | stew, i believe i have found what i am looking for, thanks anyways |
| 20:26.44 | Ronin | GiabboO: they have a website? it may be listed there |
| 20:26.51 | GiabboO | i go and check... |
| 20:27.01 | GiabboO | do you have any skill with that ? |
| 20:27.01 | sam_ | !debian-live |
| 20:27.01 | dpkg | [debian-live] in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 20:27.10 | Ronin | GiabboO: never heard of it actually |
| 20:27.18 | stew | Heston: /msg dpkg kp ; /msg dpkg kp-mantra ; apt-cache search kernel source |
| 20:27.19 | neobsd | hi ...where is the package "libqt3-mt" what's the package need for it please? |
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| 20:27.27 | neobsd | i need it's dependency |
| 20:27.35 | stew | neobsd: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:27.42 | neobsd | etch |
| 20:27.49 | Heston | stew, by any chance do you know who is in charge of debian's documentation? |
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| 20:27.53 | neobsd | another error in libxerces27 |
| 20:27.58 | ManuP | !user privileges |
| 20:28.16 | azeem | Heston: nobody in particular I think, there is a doc-team though I believe, why? |
| 20:28.24 | stew | neobsd: its on any debian mirror /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:28.33 | Heston | azeem, because its a bloody mess |
| 20:28.43 | Harzilein | hmm |
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| 20:29.14 | Harzilein | is there a locale i can use for date/time formats apart from national ones that i can use so i get dates shows as yyyy-mm-dd? |
| 20:29.23 | Harzilein | s/shows/shown/ |
| 20:29.27 | stew | Heston: i dont' think anyone in particular, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-doc/ |
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| 20:29.49 | neobsd | stew: i don't undertand |
| 20:29.51 | neobsd | sorry |
| 20:30.04 | neobsd | debian mirror /msg dpkg mirrors ......... ¿? |
| 20:30.06 | neobsd | . |
| 20:30.36 | stew | !mirrors |
| 20:30.36 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 20:30.58 | stew | neobsd: ^^^ see that for a list of mirrors, every official debian etch mirror would have the package you are looking for |
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| 20:31.18 | stew | neobsd: if you are running etch and "apt-cache policy libqt3-mt" doesn't show an available pacakge, your sources.list isnt' properly setup |
| 20:31.26 | Ecthel | is google offline? |
| 20:31.37 | neobsd | ok...i try |
| 20:31.56 | bzed | Ecthel: google can't be offline |
| 20:32.02 | stew | Ecthel: google has servers all over the world, the chances that they are all down is pretty slim |
| 20:32.10 | Ecthel | hum... |
| 20:32.10 | neobsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.25 | Ecthel | i guess I've got some routing problems then |
| 20:32.31 | bzed | Ecthel: if google does not work, blame your routing or ISP |
| 20:32.34 | Ecthel | in my area |
| 20:32.38 | Ecthel | yea |
| 20:33.05 | bzed | Ecthel: paste the output of traceroute www.google.com into a pastebin if you want, and I'll tell you where the problem is (if you can't see it on your own) |
| 20:33.06 | cusco | might be dns servers |
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| 20:33.09 | Ecthel | but that's odd... I can access everything but google... and not just searches, but everything - gtalk, gmail, etc. |
| 20:33.11 | stew | Ecthel: try one from a different country, like google.co.uk or google.co.ck or google.ca or something |
| 20:33.13 | Ecthel | yep... |
| 20:33.21 | Ecthel | good idea |
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| 20:34.18 | Ecthel | no dice... even can't get to it... more likely a routing problem then |
| 20:34.46 | stew | Ecthel: does "getent hosts google.com" return an ip address? |
| 20:34.58 | neobsd | its a error ? |
| 20:35.04 | cusco | nameservers |
| 20:35.18 | neobsd | i try apt-cache policy libqt3-mt |
| 20:35.20 | cusco | Ecthel: try opening http://64.233.167.99 |
| 20:35.24 | Ecthel | yup |
| 20:35.30 | Ecthel | 64.233.167.99 google.com |
| 20:35.30 | Ecthel | 64.233.187.99 google.com |
| 20:35.30 | Ecthel | 72.14.207.99 google.com |
| 20:35.41 | neobsd | and i have 500 ftp://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 20:35.43 | stew | neobsd: put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libqt3-mt" into a pastebin |
| 20:35.44 | neobsd | . |
| 20:35.52 | neobsd | ok |
| 20:36.04 | einvalrapter | Ecthel: ssh, woman.. whats wrong wif you! :) |
| 20:36.04 | neobsd | what's the link of pastebin please |
| 20:36.28 | einvalrapter | Obersh |
| 20:36.48 | einvalrapter | !recon the number of the beast |
| 20:37.04 | Ecthel | oh well, looks like it is really a dns problem |
| 20:37.19 | Ecthel | (i can get to it by ip) |
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| 20:37.27 | cusco | edit /etc/resolv.conf to suit your needs |
| 20:37.28 | einvalrapter | neobsd: look onto the night, its ripe for a party ? |
| 20:37.28 | cusco | Ecthel: |
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| 20:37.43 | kraypius | is there no debian package for tomcat4? |
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| 20:38.21 | Ecthel | thanks guys |
| 20:38.23 | neobsd | what's the link of pastebin please? |
| 20:38.28 | stew | !paste |
| 20:38.28 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 20:38.33 | cusco | rafb.net/paste |
| 20:38.42 | cusco | oops |
| 20:39.01 | stew | kraypius: tomcat4 is in contrib on stable (/msg dpkg contrib) |
| 20:39.09 | kraypius | i am trying to install plesk and it says I need tomcat4, but apt is telling me it cant find it |
| 20:39.14 | kraypius | k |
| 20:39.18 | Harzilein | hmm |
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| 20:40.01 | neobsd | ok |
| 20:40.22 | kevinl-- | is anyone here running firefox, on debian, but not iceweasel ? |
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| 20:41.43 | mindframe | me |
| 20:41.54 | neobsd | ok.... |
| 20:41.59 | hark | what's wrong with iceweasel? |
| 20:42.03 | cusco | yea |
| 20:42.18 | xixor | iceweasel is great |
| 20:42.35 | mindframe | the only problem i see with it is that it does not firefox security updates as soon as they are available.(in etch at least) |
| 20:42.40 | mindframe | *receive |
| 20:42.53 | PingFloyd | I wanted to try iceweasel out, but looks like sarge doesn't have it |
| 20:42.56 | neobsd | its in ... |
| 20:42.57 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:43.01 | kevinl-- | a website i need to use wont let me in because of the user-agent string , there is a plugin for user-agent string changing but i need to know what the firefox one looks like. if anyone with firefox can go to http://204.69.228.25/ so i can see it in the log that would be cool. thanks |
| 20:43.01 | neobsd | my error is in |
| 20:43.03 | neobsd | http://www.e-connecting.com/jgrados/error |
| 20:43.04 | neobsd | ... |
| 20:43.08 | HardDisk_WP | how can I dump out the data from a usb device? |
| 20:43.13 | xaitax | PinFloyd: take a look at etch |
| 20:43.14 | HardDisk_WP | I have a camera with no driver |
| 20:43.17 | PingFloyd | only source I could find was the gnuzilla version which is based on an older version of firefox |
| 20:43.27 | HardDisk_WP | and so I wanna have the raw camera output to analyze it |
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| 20:43.58 | hark | kevinl--: google for it.. or use the IE one |
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| 20:45.03 | neobsd | <stew> : |
| 20:45.07 | PingFloyd | mindframe: yeah, I'm sure that will eventually change once it ends up in stable |
| 20:45.07 | neobsd | http://www.e-connecting.com/jgrados/error |
| 20:45.12 | neobsd | please |
| 20:45.15 | neobsd | <stew> : |
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| 20:46.01 | PingFloyd | mindframe: since then the debian security team will be doing security related backports and patches for it at that point |
| 20:46.29 | hark | kevinl--: if you didn't, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent#Browsers |
| 20:46.35 | neobsd | stew : |
| 20:46.37 | neobsd | http://www.e-connecting.com/jgrados/error |
| 20:46.44 | neobsd | it's my error ... |
| 20:46.47 | PingFloyd | mindframe: with etch, security updates come from upstream, which go into sid first and are pending to be moved over to testing |
| 20:47.03 | hark | neobsd: he'll notice, he may be busy at the moment. be patient |
| 20:47.27 | PingFloyd | mindframe: iirc, they sit in the sid repo for 10 days and are moved over to testing providing there are no major bugs |
| 20:47.58 | enouf | neobsd: please stop repeating so often |
| 20:48.15 | enouf | neobsd: have patience :-) |
| 20:48.33 | neobsd | ok, sorry ..... |
| 20:48.49 | PingFloyd | neobsd: if anything, repeat too often probably gets you tuned out |
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| 20:49.38 | PingFloyd | neobsd: I know I subconsciously, mentally filter out anything that appears like spam (mental spam filter). |
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| 20:50.30 | enouf | neobsd: I believe you were also asked for the output of just apt-cache policy |
| 20:50.41 | Mooi | Hello, does anyone know of a light IRC logging application? Only one channel. I want to put the logs online if anything |
| 20:51.06 | neobsd | yes |
| 20:51.37 | PingFloyd | Mooi: irssi or it's proxy |
| 20:51.53 | Ronin | PingFloyd: not really a logging application |
| 20:51.59 | frankr | I can't seem to find lame in the debian repos - is it not there for a reason? |
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| 20:52.04 | stew | neobsd: yeah, so libqt3-mt is available, "apt-get install libqt3-mt" to install it |
| 20:52.11 | Mooi | I need to split the stuff into days, years and so on if anything... |
| 20:52.37 | enouf | frankr: it's not in debian AFAIK |
| 20:52.39 | Mooi | I think I foudn something |
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| 20:53.23 | stew | frankr: in many countries, using lame might require you pay a license fee to the patent holders, debian cannot ensure you pay this fee, and therefore cannot redistribute it |
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| 20:54.14 | enouf | frankr: some mp3 licensing stuff .. you can always /msg dpkg dmm .. or just go grab the source and compile yourself , or find the libmp3lame.so file on the web |
| 20:54.16 | neobsd | now....need libaudio2 dependecy ... |
| 20:54.17 | neobsd | :-( |
| 20:54.37 | Heston | ogg is a much better format anyhow, why not use that |
| 20:54.40 | stew | neobsd: what are you trying to do? compile something? |
| 20:54.49 | kevinl-- | anyone know how to tell dhcpd3-server what interface to listen on ? the dhcpd.conf man page doesnt cover that. |
| 20:55.02 | PDani_ | hm |
| 20:55.29 | neobsd | it's dpkg -i VirtualBox_1.3.8_Debian_etch_i386.deb |
| 20:55.49 | stew | neobsd: just run "apt-get -f install" |
| 20:56.16 | PDani_ | i downloaded the latest daily snapshot of debian-installer as a buisnesscard iso, and i'm wondering, why isn't it possible to set the key size of a blowfish encryption to 448 bits? |
| 20:56.48 | PDani_ | and how can i do that somehow "by hand"? |
| 20:57.12 | neobsd | ummm |
| 20:57.14 | enouf | PDani_: perhaps #debian-boot on irc.debian.org can help .. otherwise try that mailing list as liste din it's /topic |
| 20:57.27 | neobsd | but ....i need more dependecy |
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| 20:57.45 | stew | neobsd: dpkg -i VirtualBox_1.3.8_Debian_etch_i386.deb ; apt-get -f install |
| 20:58.21 | neobsd | exists some the way to install all dependecys ?? |
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| 20:58.28 | stew | neobsd: yes |
| 20:58.43 | neobsd | how ? |
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| 20:58.45 | stew | neobsd: apt-get -f install |
| 20:58.46 | enouf | PDani_: have you googled? and looked through the installation guide? /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:59.06 | neobsd | but... apt-get -f install is not correct |
| 20:59.10 | hark | gdebi is another way |
| 20:59.14 | Sittics | We feel that idiots that call themseleves ops should dance on the spot and be happy.. met anyone that didnt ? |
| 20:59.16 | stew | neobsd: in what was is it not correct? |
| 20:59.17 | neobsd | because some files missing before |
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| 20:59.39 | enouf | Sittics: are you being a nitwit?> |
| 20:59.44 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 20:59.56 | stew | neobsd: put the output of "apt-get -f install" into a pastebin |
| 21:00.00 | Ronin | going to be one of those friday nights i see |
| 21:00.05 | neobsd | ok |
| 21:00.21 | kraypius | what do I have to do to get all the RAM to show up? its supposed to be 2gb and its only showing 800mb |
| 21:00.26 | enouf | neobsd: and this time alos pastebin the output of apt-cache policy too |
| 21:00.41 | hark | kraypius: what kernel? |
| 21:00.42 | enouf | kraypius: you need a bigmem kernel |
| 21:00.58 | enouf | kraypius: cat /proc/version says? |
| 21:01.09 | neobsd | my pastebin is http://www.e-connecting.com/jgrados/error |
| 21:01.19 | \amethyst | kraypius: what version of debian, and what kernel version, are you using? |
| 21:01.33 | hark | bigmem's for 4gb+ iirc |
| 21:01.57 | enouf | yeah .. i know .. there's something amuck .. prolly mt brain ...apologies |
| 21:02.02 | enouf | my* |
| 21:02.07 | \amethyst | himem is for 1GB+ |
| 21:02.21 | kraypius | Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 |
| 21:02.25 | enouf | I know why that happens but can't recall at this moment .. sheesh |
| 21:02.25 | wols | hark: no |
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| 21:02.39 | whitenoyce | what package are the perl manpages in? |
| 21:02.44 | \amethyst | kraypius: What CPU do you have? |
| 21:02.47 | hark | wols: maybe not for sarge.. |
| 21:02.50 | kraypius | intel |
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| 21:02.55 | kraypius | core2 |
| 21:02.55 | \amethyst | kraypius: install the -p6 kernel instead |
| 21:02.58 | bzed | kraypius: well... you've build your own kernel without knowing what you're really doing, could that be? :P |
| 21:03.03 | wols | I rhink even sarge can do PAE |
| 21:03.05 | enouf | smp only issue ? |
| 21:03.12 | kraypius | i didnt do it, datacenter did it |
| 21:03.15 | whitenoyce | what package are the perl manpages in? |
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| 21:03.17 | wols | erm. evem the 2.4 kernel can do PAE |
| 21:03.19 | neobsd | could you see it ? |
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| 21:03.26 | neobsd | s http://www.e-connecting.com/jgrados/error |
| 21:03.28 | enouf | oh yeah .. \amethyst is dead on |
| 21:03.46 | enouf | kraypius: get the -686 kernel |
| 21:04.25 | enouf | kraypius: apt-get install kernel-image 2.6.8-3-686 IIRC |
| 21:04.38 | hark | wols: well, the bigmem image is for 4GB+ |
| 21:04.42 | enouf | kraypius: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 <-- corrected missing dash |
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| 21:04.57 | enouf | kraypius: also /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 21:05.25 | bzed | neobsd: open /etc/apt/sources.list in an editor and add contrib, non-free to each line |
| 21:05.50 | neobsd | ups |
| 21:05.55 | neobsd | how please? |
| 21:06.12 | bzed | neobsd: do you know any editor? |
| 21:06.37 | bzed | sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:06.57 | enouf | neobsd: as root, nano /etc/apt/sources.list .. then add edits, ctrl-O, Enter, ctrl-X |
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| 21:08.26 | ManuP | !screenshot |
| 21:08.26 | dpkg | hmm... screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 21:08.31 | stew | neobsd: what happens when you run "apt-get install libmng1" ? |
| 21:09.19 | stew | could be |
| 21:09.33 | stew | neobsd: have you run 'apt-get update' recently? |
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| 21:10.28 | Supaplex | humm grub-install /dev/sda shows: The file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly. |
| 21:11.16 | bzed | neobsd: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5790 << that's a minimal version of /etc/apt/sources.list - compare it to yours, or just use it instead |
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| 21:11.35 | stew | bzed: his is fine according to apt-cache policy |
| 21:11.48 | stew | well except he doesn't have a security source... |
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| 21:12.05 | edyfox | Morning~ |
| 21:12.10 | bzed | stew: and except that he's querying the same stuff via http an ftp |
| 21:12.25 | bzed | which shouldn't be a problem - just wasted bandwidth |
| 21:12.37 | stew | bzed: what is wrong with that? |
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| 21:12.47 | stew | bzed: wait, how is that a waste of bandwidth? |
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| 21:13.17 | bzed | apt-get update will pull the same stuff via ftp and http |
| 21:13.37 | stew | oh, i misunderstood |
| 21:14.15 | enouf | Supaplex: hrm .. my /lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2 is 105768, but my /boot/grub/stage2 is 108168 .. |
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| 21:16.17 | Supaplex | enouf: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/04/msg02915.html the chroot in /mnt/debinst is debian, below is FC4 |
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| 21:17.10 | neobsd | ok |
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| 21:20.06 | enouf | Supaplex: do dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=64 | xxd | less (then hit '/' then type stage and hit enter) and see if you see stage1.5 somewhere about the 2nd sector and a line like--> /grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:20.35 | enouf | Supaplex: lessee your pastbin .. was trying to format the silly xxd output :-P |
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| 21:22.09 | Supaplex | grub was already installed on FC4 |
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| 21:23.40 | enouf | Supaplex: all i know is for some odd reason, my grub is using my hda MBR and hda3 /boot/grub/menu.lst .. My 1st Debian install is on hdc (hd0,1) however, and another one is on hda3 (added later), but if I disconnect hda, she no boot hdc .. go figure .. lost as the next soul :-( |
| 21:24.03 | enouf | Supaplex: actaully grub is in both hda and hdc MBRs. .. heh |
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| 21:24.33 | mfrisch | enouf you got the boot flag on the new drive |
| 21:24.58 | enouf | mfrisch: erm .. likely yes .. since it also houses some older ms |
| 21:25.14 | mfrisch | enouf your bios pointing to the new drive? |
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| 21:25.20 | Supaplex | enouf: http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/grub-mbr.txt |
| 21:25.29 | enouf | Supaplex: let's backup though .. did you do like so? .. hold a sec please |
| 21:25.43 | xaitax | hallo kaljinka |
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| 21:26.50 | enouf | Supaplex: Drop to console (ctrl-alt-f1); login as root; mkdir /mnt/point; mount -oremount,rw /dev/hdXX (you may have to umount /dev/hdXX (your '/', and /boot (if you have one)), and "mount -t fstype -o rw /dev/hdXX /mnt/point"); then-> mount --bind /dev /mnt/point ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/point ; chroot /dev/hdXX /mnt/point (choose your root partition) ; grub-install /dev/hdX (for MBR) or hdXX (for a specific partition). |
| 21:26.52 | Supaplex | enouf: 00000410 looks promising, the old /boot is on its own partition |
| 21:26.56 | Supaplex | I can't, it's remote |
| 21:27.28 | enouf | Supaplex: that's just a generic thing i made up a few days, a week or so ago |
| 21:27.31 | Supaplex | I think I'll have better luck with pivot_root, but *sigh* |
| 21:27.36 | enouf | ouch |
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| 21:28.01 | enouf | Supaplex: ahh /boot is on it's own partition .. hrm |
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| 21:28.20 | neobsd | can yoy give some sources.list ok ? |
| 21:28.27 | b1tbkt | how to get a list of all currently installed .deb's? |
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| 21:28.28 | neobsd | whit contrib ox |
| 21:28.42 | neobsd | for my debian etch |
| 21:28.44 | stew | b1tbkt: dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
| 21:28.48 | Supaplex | !tell neobsd -about sources.list |
| 21:28.52 | b1tbkt | tks |
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| 21:28.59 | empgdjh | b1tbkt : dpkg -l | less |
| 21:29.20 | Lathi | so i've fetched the source for a package and i'm wondering the magic words to build it into a .deb |
| 21:29.24 | Gokee2_Laptop | Anyonw know of a network backgammon game? |
| 21:29.24 | Lathi | specifically vpnc |
| 21:29.38 | stew | Lathi: /msg dpkg source |
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| 21:29.55 | azeem | Lathi: there's already a vpnc package |
| 21:30.16 | stew | azeem: yeah, he said he got the source package |
| 21:30.17 | Lathi | azeem: yes, but the version in sarge is old and i'm trying to manually backport the one from testing |
| 21:30.27 | stew | Lathi: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:30.42 | azeem | the one from testing doesn't look much newer, but *shrug* |
| 21:31.01 | enouf | well mfrish has left the building but .. no .. my hda doesn't have ANY boot flags set |
| 21:31.01 | stew | i'm using the one from sarge without problems |
| 21:31.14 | stew | oh actually i'm not. i forgot i upgraded my firewall to etch |
| 21:31.24 | Lathi | the one from testing seems to be the one from ubuntu that works flawlessly on this other machine here |
| 21:31.33 | azeem | Lathi: what's the problem with the one in stable? |
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| 21:32.33 | Lathi | azeem: it's prompting me for my secret for my group even though the /etc/vpnc/default.conf has an obfuscated secret |
| 21:32.35 | enouf | Supaplex: I notice yours points to /boot/grub/grub.conf .. not menu.lst |
| 21:32.47 | azeem | ok |
| 21:33.35 | Supaplex | I'm stuck in FC4 land atm. let's see if pivot_root helps, now that I've synced /etc/ssh, and killed off unneeded daemons. |
| 21:33.47 | ManuP | !screenshot |
| 21:33.47 | dpkg | [screenshot] 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
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| 21:34.09 | stew | ManuP: you can "/msg dpkg screenshot" instead of talking to the bot in-channel |
| 21:34.46 | enouf | Supaplex: especially looke the six lines starting at 00001e80 .. that's the sda1 Boot sector area (sector 64) |
| 21:34.58 | enouf | er s/looke/look at |
| 21:35.14 | Lathi | azeem: yay. i followed the simple directions from dpkg and now vpnc works! |
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| 21:35.17 | amphi | xwd | xwdtopnm | pnmtopng > foo.png is a handy one (if you have netpbm installed) |
| 21:35.20 | enouf | Supaplex: notice the errors .. that's not here on mine |
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| 21:35.27 | kiba | hello |
| 21:36.11 | kiba | in the program field, I wrote a command |
| 21:36.22 | kiba | does that count as vaild? |
| 21:38.47 | \amethyst | kiba: assuming yes, any shell command will do |
| 21:38.50 | \amethyst | err |
| 21:39.01 | \amethyst | kiba: assuming kcron is sane, that is |
| 21:39.02 | Lathi | thanks for the help guys |
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| 21:40.32 | wad | Okay, I'm about to do something I've never done before! I'm going to set up me debian box as a print server. |
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| 21:40.43 | wad | s/me/my/ #Not Irish |
| 21:41.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are there any (regardless of whether official or not) Debian packages for Kickoff? |
| 21:41.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | I know there are some Ubuntu ones, but they're probably incompatible |
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| 21:42.29 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: Thats like a windows xp style start menu or something ? |
| 21:42.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah |
| 21:42.48 | iamtheric | heh |
| 21:42.49 | enouf | well ubuntu pkgs certainly qualify as unofficial ...heh |
| 21:42.55 | h3sp4wn | Is there a debian/ directory in the svn ? |
| 21:43.06 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:43.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: But I want them to work :P |
| 21:44.00 | enouf | you sure you wouldn't want to rebuild your libc6 this time? :-P |
| 21:44.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's getting old fast. :) |
| 21:44.37 | PingFloyd | i remember you now |
| 21:44.45 | enouf | just a thought if your're feeling .. um .. adventuresome again ;-) |
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| 21:45.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Seriously, it's getting dull... |
| 21:45.11 | intruder | is it just me or iceweasel is really bloated ? |
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| 21:45.21 | amphi | intruder: it's just you ;) |
| 21:45.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | intruder: Welcome to the world of Mozilla |
| 21:45.46 | amphi | intruder: it's only using a light 252MB here |
| 21:45.48 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: apt-cache search kick shows somethings like kicker-applets - applets for Kicker, the KDE panel |
| 21:45.52 | Supaplex | grrrr Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. A$@T@$T(!*T$@%$&*!@$ |
| 21:46.03 | intruder | amphi: that's enormous |
| 21:46.05 | wad | I'm thinking that the best way to share printing services over the network is via samba and CUPS. Which should I install and configure first? |
| 21:46.18 | wad | samba or CUPS? |
| 21:46.53 | enouf | Supaplex: huh .. what'dja do? |
| 21:46.53 | amphi | intruder: nonsense - it's a light web browser |
| 21:46.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: I searched apt-get.org, packages.debian.org and apt-cache and found nothing.. :/ |
| 21:46.53 | amphi | intruder: ;) |
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| 21:46.56 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: it's all in the keywords and search style ;-) |
| 21:46.58 | amphi | I do have 48 tabs open ATM |
| 21:47.03 | intruder | well usually its not that bad |
| 21:47.08 | intruder | at least, on my pc |
| 21:47.19 | enouf | I must have 28 windows open |
| 21:47.26 | Supaplex | I'm pivot_root into / on the recent debootstrapped partition. /etc/fstab /etc/mtab /etc/ssh/* /etc/network/interfaces are all sane. oops, lemmie update passwd's to. humm |
| 21:47.28 | enouf | and 15 shells |
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| 21:47.32 | reber | hi |
| 21:48.19 | enouf | and 9 irc channels |
| 21:48.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: It's already installed though |
| 21:48.19 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: Do you really need bleeding edge software (that doesn't really add anything other than makes it look more like windows) |
| 21:48.20 | reber | which IPS can i install on debian ? |
| 21:48.20 | amphi | yeah, I have 15 terms here ATM |
| 21:48.20 | enouf | and I only have 320MB RAM |
| 21:48.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: I just wanna try it |
| 21:48.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | (As for bleeding edge, dude, ask enouf what I did a few weeks ago. :) ) |
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| 21:48.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm sure he'd be more than happy to tell you. |
| 21:49.03 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: I'm getting tired of 'splaining it ;-P .. what a mess |
| 21:49.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | :) |
| 21:49.39 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: just use windows for windows things .. do you want anything apple-ish looking maybe? |
| 21:49.47 | stew | Supaplex: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 21:50.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: I just wanna try it! Is that so wrong? |
| 21:50.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | To see if I like it |
| 21:50.19 | asg | reber: snort is really the only mature network based IDS available on Debian. I can act as an IPS if need be or you can use a combination of snort, log scanning, and dynamic iptables rules. |
| 21:50.27 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: NO! .. not at all .. i just have NFC what on earth you are talking about .. |
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| 21:51.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: :/ |
| 21:51.07 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: so i don;t kniow if what you're finding is close .. or of a similar name? or a KDE thing only or what |
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| 21:51.15 | PingFloyd | didn't you just want to try glibc? |
| 21:51.15 | Xif | how do I update a specific package with apt? |
| 21:51.23 | stew | Xif: apt-get install packagename |
| 21:51.28 | enouf | PingFloyd: roflmao |
| 21:51.30 | Xif | stew: thanks |
| 21:51.51 | intruder | Dark_Apostrophe: gnome,kde or xfce can be apple-ish if you want |
| 21:52.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't want apple-like |
| 21:52.03 | Supaplex | stew: was, but no. (hd0) /dev/sda in device.map /dev/sda2 is / 2gb - no other partitions configured yet. /dev/sda2 was swap, /dev/sda1 is old /boot and /dev/sda3 is old / |
| 21:52.05 | enouf | :-( |
| 21:52.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't want windows-like |
| 21:52.11 | bzed | or try E17 from svn if you're lookign for something sexy :P |
| 21:52.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | I mix and mash my own style :P |
| 21:52.15 | reber | asg, wich are the names of the software for log scanning for making dynamic iptables rules ? |
| 21:52.18 | intruder | Be like no one |
| 21:52.18 | intruder | :P |
| 21:52.28 | bzed | reber: fail2ban |
| 21:52.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: Well..it may look good, but its stability track record isn't exactly something to brag about |
| 21:52.47 | intruder | noone-like |
| 21:52.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Even WinME is more stable than DR17 |
| 21:52.51 | asg | reber: you get to code them yourself. If you run snort as a transparent inline layer 2 device, it has the capability itself to drop connections matching certain rules. |
| 21:52.52 | stew | Supaplex: is /proc and /sys mounted? /dev/ populated? |
| 21:53.02 | stew | ^is^are |
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| 21:53.17 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: DR? |
| 21:53.18 | Supaplex | ahh /sys wasn't. |
| 21:53.31 | Supaplex | no change :-/ |
| 21:53.42 | reber | asg, yep, i know that, but i'm looking for a tool already packaged. Do you know where i could get this debian package ? |
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| 21:53.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: Enlightenment DR17 |
| 21:53.45 | asg | stew: whenever I see mounted, I can't help but thinking about userland teledildonics |
| 21:54.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: http://enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/ |
| 21:54.06 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: ah. well... it's not released, so that's no wonder that it's buggy |
| 21:54.06 | intruder | teledildonics !? |
| 21:54.22 | stew | asg: such a thing would probably require a kernelspace driver that would taint your kernel |
| 21:54.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | WTF is tele dildonics? :O |
| 21:54.35 | asg | stew: unless you run a free love kernel |
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| 21:54.45 | stew | asg: which would do something to your taint and not your kernel |
| 21:55.02 | asg | stew: one always gets the taint from somewhere |
| 21:55.04 | penguin | What is the file to download for net install of testing? |
| 21:55.06 | bzed | asg: your kernel would fork. no good. |
| 21:55.17 | bzed | penguin: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:56.00 | maddash | amphi: are you here? what patch did you use to undervolt? |
| 21:56.47 | asg | reber: there isn't one that I'm aware of. |
| 21:58.33 | Supaplex | fooey |
| 21:58.33 | asg | bzed: better than having it spooge I suppose |
| 21:58.33 | amphi | maddash: https://www.dedigentoo.org/trac/linux-phc/wiki |
| 21:58.34 | bzed | maddash: http://iphitus.loudas.com/beyond.html works well on my thinkpad |
| 21:58.34 | asg | Dark_Apostrophe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledildonics |
| 21:58.34 | bzed | !penixstrik asg |
| 21:58.34 | bzed | !penixstrike asg |
| 21:58.34 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking asg to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:58.34 | stew | Supaplex: maybe explicitly pass --root-directory? |
| 21:58.34 | amphi | maddash: the generic patch applies clean to etch source |
| 21:58.34 | asg | Dark_Apostrophe: the next greatest thing for those that don't leave the house |
| 21:58.34 | asg | !seen penix |
| 21:58.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | asg: :O |
| 21:58.34 | dpkg | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 12h 13m 48s ago, saying: 'cafuego_: check it out. ppp161-133.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net. 1.5mbit line. only took me about 5 years :)'. |
| 21:58.35 | penguin | So they have an AMD64 and an intel one now? |
| 21:58.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | asg: Weird. |
| 21:58.35 | penguin | I guess if I have an AMD64, I use that one? |
| 21:58.35 | bzed | !tell penguin about ia64 |
| 21:58.35 | reber | asg, fwlogwatch, fwanalog, wflogs are one of them |
| 21:58.35 | maddash | amphi, bzed: thanks, checking them out now |
| 21:58.36 | cafuego_ | Ow, penis hasn't been back yet? |
| 21:58.36 | cafuego_ | Penix (oops) |
| 21:58.36 | asg | reber: oh, there are tons of log monitoring tools. I assumed you were looking for a comprehensive system that integrated them. |
| 21:58.36 | penguin | When did they start with both intel and AMD? |
| 21:58.37 | Supaplex | stew: that sortaworked in FC4 while it was in /mnt/debinst, but not now. (after pivot_root) |
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| 21:58.37 | bzed | penguin: well you have to decide if you want to run a 64 or 32 bit envoronment on your machine, if you wanna have a desktop ssystem with flash, and shit, you probably want to install i386 |
| 21:58.47 | bzed | penguin: didn't you read what dpkg told you? |
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| 21:59.48 | Supaplex | damn. ssh is busticated. *shudder* |
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| 22:00.15 | eilker | !contrib |
| 22:00.15 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 22:00.49 | penguin | I have an AMD Athlon |
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| 22:01.14 | penguin | How come there are different images for USB stick and CDrom? |
| 22:01.35 | Supaplex | because they boot differently |
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| 22:01.47 | bzed | penguin: you still don't understand what ia64 is, don't you? that's NOT core2duo |
| 22:02.19 | penguin | It says amd64 not ia64 |
| 22:02.20 | bzed | penguin: and a cdrom is still a cdrom, while an USB stick is something that looks like an USD disk |
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| 22:02.43 | maddash | bzed: you've patched your kernel with everything listed on that page? |
| 22:02.44 | ezu5t | i'm confused about the fileformat of initrd.img - is it a cpio file or an img file ? and if img, what file system? cramfs? I tried mounting it as cramfs with -o loop and I get "bad magic"... |
| 22:02.56 | Phil2 | hi guys. I've just done a Debian netinstall on a laptop using one of two pcmcia NICs. This has worked fine however when I boot into Debian, neither nic can be found. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 22:02.58 | bzed | penguin: how do I understand <penguin> When did they start with both intel and AMD? |
| 22:03.08 | stew | ezu5t: which initrd creator was it created with? |
| 22:03.26 | ezu5t | i used make-kpkg -initrd binary, stew |
| 22:03.31 | penguin | I never saw AMD64 seperate from i386 before |
| 22:03.34 | ManuP | !screenshot |
| 22:03.35 | dpkg | screenshot is, like, 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 22:03.37 | stew | ezu5t: which initrd was used when it was installed? |
| 22:03.40 | stew | ezu5t: yaird and initramfs-tools create inird.img which are gzipped cpio. mkinitrd creates a cramfs image |
| 22:03.49 | stew | ManuP: please /msg the bot |
| 22:04.14 | bzed | penguin: there was amd64 for sarge, it was just a bit too late to be released with sarge. definitely nothing new |
| 22:04.49 | bzed | !tell ManuP about selftell |
| 22:04.52 | enouf | Supaplex: have you tried installing to /dev/sda2? form your earlier posts, it appeared fro some reason 1.5 is pointing to /dev/sda1 (for where to find menu.lsit) your old /boot |
| 22:05.05 | ManuP | okay, okay, okay |
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| 22:06.39 | ezu5t | stew, thanks. turns out it was gzipped cpio |
| 22:07.48 | enouf | Supaplex: and you're sure sda2 doesn't have the 0x82 flag (swap), but wears 0x83 proudly? |
| 22:08.03 | Supaplex | yes enouf. |
| 22:08.09 | stew | enouf: does that matter? |
| 22:08.23 | Supaplex | grub throws error 15 (via qemu -snapshot /dev/sda) |
| 22:08.30 | enouf | stew: well if that's the / .. sure ;-) |
| 22:08.53 | enouf | stew: he used to have swap there .. from what i can gather |
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| 22:09.05 | stew | enouf: i didn't think partition type really mattered |
| 22:09.26 | enouf | stew: well .. honestly, I haven't tried to wipe to swap .. ;-) |
| 22:10.06 | enouf | or a partition identified as one |
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| 22:12.15 | chrom | hii all |
| 22:12.15 | penguin | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz |
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| 22:12.16 | penguin | Is this the one I should be downloading? |
| 22:12.23 | Trixsey | What differences are there between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 22:12.44 | Trixsey | Is Debian a light-weight version of Ubuntu pretty much (even though Ubuntu is the derived from Debian and not the other way around) |
| 22:12.51 | Trixsey | Or what? |
| 22:13.00 | Trixsey | And what made you guys choose Debian over Ubuntu |
| 22:13.06 | amphi | !why debian |
| 22:13.07 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 22:13.10 | enouf | Supaplex: have you tried running just grub's shell and entering the files yourself? .. such as outlined here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/433 |
| 22:13.20 | asg | Trixsey: Ubuntu didn't exist when I started using Debian |
| 22:13.25 | xaitax | Is Debian a light-weight version of Ubuntu pretty much ..... AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 22:13.26 | penguin | We all choose Ubuntu |
| 22:13.29 | xaitax | KILL ME |
| 22:13.34 | asg | !kill xaitax |
| 22:13.36 | penguin | that is why we are here in Debian. |
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| 22:13.40 | xaitax | thx ;) |
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| 22:13.48 | Phil2 | hi guys. I've just done a Debian netinstall on a laptop using one of two pcmcia NICs. This has worked fine however when I boot into Debian, neither nic can be found. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 22:13.51 | enouf | that's must've been the master glass disk |
| 22:13.55 | Trixsey | <penguin> We all choose Ubuntu |
| 22:13.58 | Trixsey | I didn't say nor imply that |
| 22:14.04 | bzed | !milk foosel |
| 22:14.16 | earthian | hello, how could i poweroff one of my harddisk so that i could remove it safely? |
| 22:14.21 | foosel | bzed: stop that ffs! XD |
| 22:14.24 | amphi | Phil2: ifconfig -a lists the interfaces? |
| 22:14.31 | Phil2 | no amphi |
| 22:14.32 | chrom | hey, I was wondering if anyone has experience with Debian based clustering |
| 22:14.56 | chrom | I mean high availability clustering |
| 22:15.01 | bzed | earthian: that'll only work if your ide controller supports it |
| 22:15.03 | Phil2 | ifup eth0 says No such device |
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| 22:15.10 | amphi | Phil2: then you must modprobe the module[s] - what are the nics? |
| 22:15.19 | Phil2 | and the lights on the card/switch aren't lit |
| 22:15.21 | penguin | So the file I should be downloading is called netboot.tar.gz? |
| 22:15.25 | Phil2 | they are 3com pcmcia cards |
| 22:15.28 | empgdjh | chrom: clustering of which sort - HPC/Beowulf?? |
| 22:15.43 | bzed | penguin: what do you want to do? |
| 22:15.43 | earthian | bzed, how would i know it? |
| 22:15.46 | enouf | Phil2: check out /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and paste that to pastbin if both aren't listed |
| 22:15.53 | penguin | I want to install Debian. |
| 22:16.04 | chrom | empgdjh: high availability LAMP serve |
| 22:16.05 | bzed | earthian: do you have some fancy hardware raid controller which was more than $50 ? |
| 22:16.08 | Phil2 | kinda tricky to paste enouf |
| 22:16.14 | enouf | Phil2: yeah .. modules might help |
| 22:16.18 | bzed | penguin: using a cd? |
| 22:16.19 | earthian | bzed, its hdc disk |
| 22:16.26 | enouf | !tell Phil2 about pastewithoutx |
| 22:16.27 | earthian | so it is connected to mainboard |
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| 22:16.31 | penguin | I have USB stick and CDRom. |
| 22:16.35 | penguin | I dont really care. |
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| 22:16.36 | enouf | bah |
| 22:16.48 | penguin | Brand new computer with no OS on it. |
| 22:16.49 | Phil2 | is there a way to paste without internet access too enouf? ;) |
| 22:16.53 | chrom | I've been reading some docs, but something is not really clear |
| 22:17.09 | enouf | !tell Phil2 -about pastebin |
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| 22:17.24 | bzed | earthian: I wouldn't even try it then. but to power off a hdd you can use pdparm, and there was some stuff you could paste into /proc/ide/...whatever to tell the kernel to reread the bus, but all I can do is to warn you to try it |
| 22:17.24 | enouf | Phil2: you're on the internet now |
| 22:17.43 | empgdjh | chrom: Never set up a cluster for LAMP - just HPC stuff like pvm |
| 22:17.44 | Phil2 | not on the affected system |
| 22:17.44 | enouf | well .. git going |
| 22:17.45 | chrom | first of all do I have to use ultramonkey, or there is some alternative? |
| 22:17.50 | amphi | Phil2: what are the cards? you can type the names |
| 22:17.52 | earthian | ok thanks bzed |
| 22:17.56 | enouf | especially if one NIC works fine |
| 22:18.09 | stew | Phil2: do you know what kernel module supports your card? |
| 22:18.11 | bzed | penguin: are you sure that YOU want to install it, if you neither can find an iso image to download nor an usb stick image on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 22:18.15 | chrom | second, how do I properly keep data in synch between the nodes? |
| 22:18.29 | penguin | HUH? |
| 22:18.42 | penguin | NO I just want my stinking computer to have no OS |
| 22:18.50 | Phil2 | in that file you said enouf, there's 2 uncommented lines, with comments above them saying Unknown new device (/class/new/eth0) |
| 22:18.55 | Phil2 | and the same for eth1 |
| 22:18.56 | penguin | I Like to play with setup. |
| 22:18.58 | chrom | and third, it seems that the best practice is to make a high availability cluster for, let's say, apache, and another cluster for the load balancer |
| 22:19.00 | empgdjh | chrom: whats ultramonkey?? |
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| 22:19.12 | chrom | ultramonkey is the load balancer |
| 22:19.12 | bzed | penguin: you can remove any os with any os's installer |
| 22:19.58 | penguin | I dont have an OS to remove. |
| 22:20.01 | Trixsey | What made you people choose Debian over other operating systems (such as Ubuntu)? |
| 22:20.14 | maddash | amphi: how do you measure the "cleanliness" of the patch application? I just `patch --dry-run` against the vanilla 2.6.20.3 sources, and there didn't seem to be any errors - is this indicative of a clean patch? |
| 22:20.23 | xaitax | Trixsey: the question is what you want your os to do |
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| 22:20.35 | xand | What is this |
| 22:20.36 | enouf | PhilKC: it would appear you need some modules loaded |
| 22:20.37 | penguin | I am about to choose Ubuntu if I cant find the image to install Debian |
| 22:20.44 | amphi | I'd say so - I was talking about patching etch kernel source though |
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| 22:20.48 | earthian | another question: I have a 6GB HDD that is very old and has WindowsXP preinstalled. How can I "backup" that disk so that I would be able to restore it to the same disk or to another anysize disk? |
| 22:20.53 | xaitax | Trixsey: for servers, i would never use ubuntu, fedora or sth like that |
| 22:20.53 | Phil2 | right |
| 22:20.55 | earthian | should i use dd tool? |
| 22:20.56 | Phil2 | how would I know which modules? |
| 22:20.57 | amphi | enouf: you don't say ;) |
| 22:21.06 | chrom | ok sorry guys, I guess I interrupted something here |
| 22:21.16 | amphi | Phil2: by telling us the names of the damn cards, as shown by lspci |
| 22:21.18 | stew | Trixsey: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:21.19 | bzed | penguin: I've linked you TWO times to the page with the links to all debian installers for etch. where's your problem? |
| 22:21.27 | enouf | amphi: heh .. i finally got down to the nitty-gritty :-P |
| 22:21.44 | Phil2 | one sec amphi |
| 22:21.56 | amphi | enouf: yeah, you have the facts at your fingertips ;) |
| 22:21.59 | Phil2 | no such command lspci |
| 22:22.04 | cusco | penguin: I'm tented to say: go use ubuntu! bye! |
| 22:22.08 | stew | Phil2: its in pciutils |
| 22:22.10 | xaitax | ;) |
| 22:22.13 | amphi | Phil2: ah ;) |
| 22:22.15 | cusco | tempted |
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| 22:22.46 | Trixsey | lol |
| 22:22.51 | Phil2 | however the cards claim they're "Model 3CCFE574BT" |
| 22:23.10 | amphi | 3com? guessing... |
| 22:23.11 | Trixsey | xaitax, I want a linux-based OS for my laptop basically |
| 22:23.19 | mmlj4 | what's that? a 3Com NIC? |
| 22:23.21 | Supaplex | will line 18 http://rafb.net/p/ONaakX84.html cause that problem with grub? |
| 22:23.21 | Trixsey | right now I'm using Ubuntu, but it was bundled with lots of useless software |
| 22:23.22 | stew | Trixsey: one thing that makes debian stand out from others is the social contract and the dfsg: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 22:23.23 | Trixsey | even the smaller version |
| 22:23.38 | xaitax | Trixsey then don't use debian stable, because for a laptop you want the newest software you can get |
| 22:24.10 | amphi | Phil2: yeah, 3com |
| 22:24.10 | stew | Trixsey: you will find that debian makes much more useless software available than debian, but debian won't install non-essential stuff without you asking for it |
| 22:24.10 | kiba | Trixsey: then build your own linux from stratch |
| 22:24.10 | enouf | !typosmite stew |
| 22:24.24 | MadDwarf | hulloo. I have just reinstalled my Debian Etch, and it is corrupting my display again, as it was before. I have renamed /etc/rc2.d/S21gdm, as my notes indicate this would stop Gnome running at boot, but it still does 8o( I need to get to console, to edit xorg.conf, but if X launches, it corrupts my display and i cannot use console |
| 22:24.29 | empgdjh | chrom: not very experienced with things other than HPC - if you need a decent and very powerful install tool for setting up a cluster you may want to point your browser to the FAI homepage at www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 22:24.33 | Trixsey | kiba, sounds like it'd require a bunch of work? :p |
| 22:24.34 | xaitax | Trixsey: try debian testing, or maybe try ubuntu, or fedora or whatever. debian stable is not what you are looking for imho |
| 22:24.37 | enouf | it's more like a freudian slip ;-P |
| 22:24.45 | Phil2 | yes amphi |
| 22:24.58 | kiba | Trixsey: but it give you max customization and don't have useless softwares bundled with it? |
| 22:25.37 | chrom | thanks a lot I'll follow your advice |
| 22:25.56 | Trixsey | Max customization would probably be building your own OS from skratch, and all its programs :P lol |
| 22:26.05 | empgdjh | chrom: You can join or post to the user group - someone there will probably be trying something similar - by experience they are very helpful |
| 22:26.09 | enouf | MadDwarf: try a drxx ? |
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| 22:26.13 | MadDwarf | can anyone help me stop X from auto-running so i can make the edits i need? I can ge to a rescue console using install CD but do not have my familiar editors available |
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| 22:26.30 | amphi | Phil2: it's a cardbus card? |
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| 22:26.36 | Phil2 | yes |
| 22:26.39 | MadDwarf | enouf : drxx? what will that do? |
| 22:26.48 | kiba | I was wondering.... |
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| 22:26.49 | enouf | !tell MadDwarf about drxx |
| 22:26.51 | amphi | !drxx MadDwarf |
| 22:26.51 | dpkg | MadDwarf: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:27.00 | enouf | kiba: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 22:27.19 | kiba | ? |
| 22:27.24 | kiba | nvm |
| 22:27.26 | chrom | empgdjh: thanks, I'll do that too. What I need to do is not that uncommon, but it's the first time I do that, so I want to read as much as possible before starting |
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| 22:27.31 | enouf | kiba: nm .. you were talking to someone else |
| 22:27.32 | amphi | Phil2: looks like 3c574_cs might be the thing |
| 22:27.36 | bzed | MadDwarf: also you should know that you can switch to console by using ctrl+alt+F1. |
| 22:27.44 | penguin | WHat is the command to extract netboot.tar.gz? |
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| 22:27.54 | MadDwarf | bzed: I can switch to console, but the display is corrupted |
| 22:28.02 | empgdjh | chrom : nothing like diving in at the deep end :) |
| 22:28.11 | enouf | MadDwarf: dpkg-reconfigure locales too |
| 22:28.21 | MadDwarf | enouf : will this run in rescue console? |
| 22:28.40 | Phil2 | how would I go about getting that amphi? |
| 22:28.44 | earthian | another question: I have a 6GB HDD that is very old and has WindowsXP preinstalled. How can I "backup" that disk so that I would be able to restore it to the same disk or to another anysize disk? |
| 22:28.44 | enouf | MadDwarf: you can reboot in single mode and do it .. |
| 22:28.45 | chrom | hehe |
| 22:29.01 | MadDwarf | will single-user mode still auto-run X? |
| 22:29.03 | chrom | though I guess it's only about beowulf clusters (high performance clusters) |
| 22:29.09 | stew | MadDwarf: no |
| 22:29.10 | asg | MadDwarf: no, it won't |
| 22:29.10 | enouf | MadDwarf: you might need to remount your / rw though |
| 22:29.18 | chrom | what I need is an high availability cluster |
| 22:29.25 | chrom | but that's a start |
| 22:29.42 | amphi | Phil2: modprobe it, and see if ifconfig -a shows an interface |
| 22:29.50 | MadDwarf | ok, i do not know about single user mode. what are the main differences to normal mode? |
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| 22:30.05 | bzed | chrom: there're some openmosix cds you can just boot from and you'll have an instant cluster |
| 22:30.13 | bzed | chrom: if that will help you to test something |
| 22:30.21 | enouf | earthian: a few options .. dd it , modorescue.org, backuppc.sf.net , partimage |
| 22:30.31 | Phil2 | just "modprobe 3c574_cs" amphi? |
| 22:30.33 | cheeseboy | whatd +l? |
| 22:30.37 | enouf | earthian: erm mondorescue.org |
| 22:30.46 | earthian | you mentioned dd |
| 22:31.01 | enouf | earthian: yep .. for 6GB should be fine .. |
| 22:31.04 | earthian | what would be the command line and how would i restore that image? |
| 22:31.07 | chrom | bzed: openmosix you say? mmm, let's see... |
| 22:31.14 | empgdjh | chrom: from my understanding FAI can be used to set up any type of cluster - its very flexable. You can configure the cluster after install with cfengine, shell scripts, etc and install all your required packages. |
| 22:31.36 | enouf | earthian: well ... you would just dd it back onto the disk .. per se |
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| 22:31.51 | penguin | tar xvzf |
| 22:31.58 | enouf | earthian: it's XPoop right? |
| 22:32.03 | Supaplex | enouf, stew: ouuu a wonky rootfs / entry in mtab throws grub-install off. what a fun 3 hours that was. |
| 22:32.26 | bzed | chrom: I jsut don;t know where they hide that cd :P but I think google will find some |
| 22:32.31 | earthian | enouf, is this correct then: dd if=/dev/hdc of=/hdimage and then later dd if=/hdimage of=/dev/hdc right? |
| 22:32.37 | enouf | earthian: you can also save your partition data/layout quickly using sfdisk -d /dev/hdX > somefile.backup |
| 22:32.41 | empgdjh | chrom: what packages and setup you need for a high availability cluster is beyond me though :( |
| 22:33.13 | penguin | I cant find the stinking file to install Debian. |
| 22:33.14 | earthian | or maybe i should do that with hdc1 which is the partition |
| 22:33.15 | enouf | Supaplex: hrmm .. really? .. mtab was the cause of all this? .. were you editing mtab buy yourself :-P |
| 22:33.16 | bzed | chrom: and yes, as empgdjh said _ you really want to use FAI if you have more than 5 machines or so |
| 22:33.38 | Supaplex | enouf: no, it was empty, and a post suggested I cp /proc/mounts to /etc/mtab |
| 22:33.42 | Phil2 | amphi: is it just "modprobe 3c574_cs"? |
| 22:33.44 | chrom | so afr my setup is quite simple |
| 22:33.46 | bzed | chrom: we're running a little openmosix (non-HA) cluster from CD ;) |
| 22:33.49 | enouf | earthian: yes basically that's it |
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| 22:34.01 | bzed | chrom: really depends on what you need, and which type of cluster you want/need |
| 22:34.04 | MadDwarf | any surprises i might find in single user mode? I shall be editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf, i usuall yuse nano editor for this. you mention i may have to remoun t/ as read/write? will mount - t ext3 -rw /dev/hda1 / be correct? sorry for all the questions, |
| 22:34.10 | chrom | I just want 2 servers in cluster. they are supposed to be a redundant webserver |
| 22:34.19 | empgdjh | chrom: a version of knoppix is also available for clustering from CD!! |
| 22:34.27 | chrom | basically that's all, and I'm looking for a good way of achieving that |
| 22:34.32 | iamtheric | 2 actually |
| 22:34.44 | iamtheric | parralellknoppix and clusterknoppix |
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| 22:35.12 | kjxxxx | what is the chat program for Debian again? |
| 22:35.24 | enouf | earthian: obviously don't do that on a mounted HDD .. |
| 22:35.28 | kjxxxx | and can I use Apt-get to get it |
| 22:35.30 | azeem | kjxxxx: there's several, irssi is one of them |
| 22:35.47 | xixor | kjxxxx: I like xchat, or bitchx |
| 22:35.48 | kjxxxx | irssi |
| 22:35.59 | penguin | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:36.03 | penguin | Found it!!!!! |
| 22:36.04 | kjxxxx | which is easier to get |
| 22:36.04 | empgdjh | iamtheric: great to convert a load of useless windows machines into a firebreathing number cruncher! |
| 22:36.10 | chrom | it's odd that all the docs I find are about high performance clustering |
| 22:36.11 | eilker | enouf: should i select expert mode to install debian server (non-gui) ? |
| 22:36.15 | enouf | Supaplex: wow .. was /proc listed first in e/tc/fstab? .. maybe something wonky with fstab or .. er whatever |
| 22:36.29 | chrom | what I need is an high availability cluster |
| 22:36.37 | enouf | eilker: you don;t need to.. since tasksel amllows for choices of servers |
| 22:36.43 | bzed | chrom: for? |
| 22:36.51 | chrom | so that if 1 servers goes offline, the other takes control |
| 22:36.55 | enouf | eilker: but i like to always use expert mode for more control |
| 22:37.01 | bzed | chrom: google for heartbeat |
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| 22:37.12 | earthian | is there anyway to monitor progress of dd copy process? |
| 22:37.20 | Supaplex | enouf: no, I think grub-install enumerates what mountpoint /boot/$kernel is on. since my rootfs has /boot/$kernel, the first matching entry is "rootfs / defaults 0 0" |
| 22:37.27 | Supaplex | earthian: yup, man page. |
| 22:37.30 | azeem | earthian: it has an option for that, I think |
| 22:37.41 | chrom | bzed, yes, exactely |
| 22:37.41 | eilker | enouf: i am not expert, but when i installed debian in this morning, i dont remember a choice to not have desktop... |
| 22:37.44 | Supaplex | earthian: search for kill |
| 22:38.09 | penguin | Is there any USB images for the AMD64? I found the ISO netinstaller. |
| 22:38.14 | enouf | Supaplex: ahh .. more like the installer stuff rootfs is .. ok .. outta my league a bit there ;-) |
| 22:38.36 | empgdjh | chrom: clustering started (in the terms we are talking about) because of the need for scientists to run large scale apps without having to buy a Cray super-computer. Hence clustering for HPC has been around along time. |
| 22:39.35 | wols | penguin: kmuto perhaps? |
| 22:39.35 | empgdjh | chrom: clustering for high availability/dynamic server setups is a (relatively) new development |
| 22:39.36 | chrom | yes absolutely, but I haev to provide an always-on service, so what I need is not raw performance |
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| 22:40.10 | eleftherios | does anyone know what I need to check in the kernel menu config for sata drives? I have sata 3gb/s |
| 22:40.15 | penguin | Can you do a netinstall with USB image. |
| 22:40.19 | HostilePenguin | nasa has a cluster of ps3's |
| 22:40.30 | kjxxxx | azeem, xixor): is xchat, bitchx or irssi irc chat programs? And can I get and install it with apt-get |
| 22:40.38 | penguin | I Have problem. this is going to take 40 minutes to download and I have to leave. |
| 22:40.40 | azeem | kjxxxx: yes and yes |
| 22:40.40 | penguin | I have no burner at home. |
| 22:40.45 | xixor | kjxxx: yes and yes |
| 22:40.51 | empgdjh | HostilePenguin : who wants games anyway :) |
| 22:40.57 | xixor | kjxxx: apt-get update && apt-get install irsii bitchx xchat |
| 22:41.07 | penguin | My computer has no floppy. |
| 22:41.12 | xaitax | kjxxxx: use xchat if you want graphical client, irssi otherwise |
| 22:41.25 | penguin | Can I download the netintstall to a USB stick? |
| 22:41.26 | De_Mon | irssi does a graphical client |
| 22:41.27 | xixor | kjxxxx: then you can try them all and see which one you like the best. Also, I think its a good idea to use aptitude to install packages now, i.e. aptitude update && aptitude install xchat for example |
| 22:41.37 | penguin | I have Knoppix disk at home. |
| 22:41.45 | De_Mon | penguin the question you should be asking is can you boot from a usb stick? |
| 22:42.02 | penguin | I can boot from USB disk. |
| 22:42.06 | penguin | WHere is the image? |
| 22:42.30 | penguin | At least I better be able to or Asus will get a complaint from me. |
| 22:42.31 | De_Mon | use a net install or business card edition. |
| 22:42.35 | MadDwarf | can i alter my /etc/X11/xorg.conf in single user mode using nano? i do not know single user mode |
| 22:42.49 | enouf | eilker: you should be able to deselect all / any from the tasksel screen .. I'm not sure exactly though .. /msg dpkg ig should answer your questions though .. if not, just boot using expert, or expertgui |
| 22:43.08 | Heston | MadDwarf, sure |
| 22:43.20 | enouf | MadDwarf: does "mount" say ro for your / ? |
| 22:43.39 | enouf | MadDwarf: but sure you can |
| 22:43.43 | eilker | enouf: i deleted debian , my all work of today . now trying again without gui |
| 22:43.43 | MadDwarf | enouf : i have no access to the debian system until i reboot this and swap HDD over |
| 22:43.55 | cusco | you can |
| 22:44.10 | empgdjh | chrom: I have heard of this ... read into it a little bit. Server clusters linked via heartbeat type connection - one takes over if another falls over. Also the cluster can respond to alterations in load ie add another web server if traffic on one gets too much - wait one ... will try to dig up refs |
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| 22:44.43 | penguin | How come no installation manual for AMD64? |
| 22:44.51 | enouf | MadDwarf: well once in single .. mount -t <fstype> -oremount,rw /dev/hdXX .. your / filesystem to write to it , then before shutting down, ermount ro |
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| 22:44.59 | bzed | penguin: could you PLEASE open your eys. |
| 22:45.03 | bzed | *eyes |
| 22:45.10 | chrom | yes that's it. it's common practice for high availability systems |
| 22:45.17 | xaitax | penguin: whats so secial about x86_64 that you want extra manual |
| 22:45.22 | xaitax | *special |
| 22:45.27 | chrom | just I've never done that before so far |
| 22:45.41 | enouf | MadDwarf: going into single mode don;t press Control-D .. login as Root .. IIRC |
| 22:45.47 | bzed | penguin: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ there's a BIG link 'installation guide' on that page. |
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| 22:46.12 | MadDwarf | mount -t ext3 -oremount,rw /dev/hda1 / ? |
| 22:46.13 | maddash | amphi/bzed: how did you find the appropriate voltages? |
| 22:46.33 | MadDwarf | ermount -ro before shutting down |
| 22:46.41 | enouf | MadDwarf: right |
| 22:46.42 | kjxxxx | Xixer: Why is aptitude better than using Apt-Get |
| 22:46.47 | MadDwarf | cool, thnx |
| 22:46.48 | enouf | MadDwarf: oh |
| 22:46.51 | enouf | typo |
| 22:46.58 | bzed | maddash: didn't take care of that yet :P |
| 22:47.05 | xaitax | kjxxxx: its not better, its different ;) |
| 22:47.11 | Xenguy | !aptitude |
| 22:47.12 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009, or ask me about <why aptitude> ...consider installing "aptitude-doc-en" pkg (replace 'en' with your CountryCode). |
| 22:47.12 | bzed | maddash: I';m missing some free time these days |
| 22:47.33 | enouf | MadDwarf: before shiutting down mount -t <fstype> -oremount,ro /dev/hda1 / |
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| 22:47.55 | MadDwarf | gotya. |
| 22:48.03 | enouf | ok |
| 22:48.06 | Kronuz | hey, how hard is it to add bootsplash to my debian box? |
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| 22:48.18 | xaitax | Kronuz what kernel are you using? |
| 22:48.20 | Kronuz | is bootsplash support already in the kernel (I'm using etch RC2) |
| 22:48.24 | xaitax | no |
| 22:48.36 | xaitax | you got to patch it by your own |
| 22:48.38 | penguin | hd-media/boot.img.gz That is the one I need. |
| 22:48.42 | azeem | Kronuz: splashy doesn't need a kernel patch |
| 22:48.45 | xaitax | but thats no big deal |
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| 22:48.52 | Kronuz | xaitax: what should I do to add support then? |
| 22:48.56 | Kronuz | hmm splashy |
| 22:48.57 | enouf | MadDwarf: from within X you can always telinit 1 as well to enter runlevel1 |
| 22:49.07 | Kronuz | azeem: which is "better" |
| 22:49.21 | Kronuz | (and/or newer) |
| 22:49.22 | xaitax | Kronuz: depends on what you want: splashy doesnt need no patch, bootsplash does |
| 22:49.23 | azeem | Kronuz: better than what? |
| 22:49.23 | MadDwarf | from within X, i cannot do anythin gyet ... it corrupt my screen , including in console |
| 22:49.28 | bzed | penguin: I think so, never tried it, though. you have to gunzip it, will be about 250MB and dump that on your stick |
| 22:49.33 | enouf | MadDwarf: which will kill anything that loaded in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 22:49.38 | MadDwarf | but will note for later. thnx |
| 22:49.40 | bzed | penguin: use dd or something like that to put it on your stick |
| 22:49.42 | Kronuz | I mean, both do the same things? why are there two of them then? |
| 22:49.54 | Kronuz | was splashy made to avoid kernel patching? |
| 22:49.55 | enouf | MadDwarf: I see .. okie .. best to single mode anyway |
| 22:49.58 | bzed | MadDwarf: boot in single user mode |
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| 22:50.08 | azeem | Kronuz: there's a couple of boot splash implementations |
| 22:50.19 | azeem | Kronuz: splashy is written to avoid patching the kernel, yes, I believe |
| 22:50.35 | Kronuz | but it must have a drawback, right? |
| 22:50.43 | azeem | dunn |
| 22:50.44 | azeem | o |
| 22:50.50 | MadDwarf | ok, off to try this out. back ina bit to report |
| 22:50.53 | enouf | MadDwarf: and when I say loaded in rc2.d, i mean explicitly loaded form there only .. |
| 22:51.09 | enouf | MadDwarf: but you get the picture now go .. and come back ;-) |
| 22:51.10 | azeem | Kronuz: it might get activated slightly later than bootsplash, as it needs init running first I think |
| 22:51.18 | MadDwarf | 8o) |
| 22:51.20 | Kronuz | oh |
| 22:51.23 | MadDwarf | thnx for help |
| 22:51.29 | enouf | no prob |
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| 22:51.31 | xaitax | Kronuz: i'm using bootsplash, but i'm still having problems, like i didn't get the progress bar working yet |
| 22:51.40 | Kronuz | and if I want bootsplash support then what should I do? |
| 22:51.41 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 22:51.51 | kjxxxx | when I installed my debian. I had no sound. Then I installed alsa sound and it worked then I rebooted and its no longer working. |
| 22:52.00 | Kronuz | xaitax: I'll need to compile my kernel (after patching it) |
| 22:52.02 | Kronuz | ? |
| 22:52.11 | enouf | kjxxxx: did you run alsaconfig? |
| 22:52.11 | Kronuz | make mrproper and stuff... |
| 22:52.13 | xaitax | Kronuz: then you should download linux-sources and the bootsplash patch |
| 22:52.17 | PDani_ | how can i select the processor for a process on a symmetric multiprocessor system? |
| 22:52.18 | kjxxxx | yes |
| 22:52.24 | xaitax | and take allook on make-kpkg |
| 22:52.25 | Kronuz | I hope I can remember how it was done |
| 22:52.42 | kjxxxx | do I have to run it every time I reboot |
| 22:52.43 | enouf | kjxxxx: well perhaps your modules needed aren't loading auto |
| 22:52.43 | PDani_ | "force" the process to run only on a specified processor |
| 22:52.44 | Kronuz | xaitax: I last patched and compiled a linux kernel some years ago |
| 22:52.45 | enouf | kjxxxx: no .. hehe |
| 22:52.46 | PDani_ | or core |
| 22:53.04 | bzed | maddash: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UndervoltingHowto |
| 22:53.05 | wols | PDani_: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-processor-affinity-certain-task-or-process.html |
| 22:53.05 | xaitax | thats no problem, using debian you should take a look at make-kpkg |
| 22:53.20 | kjxxxx | enouf: How do I get it to load auto? |
| 22:53.28 | wols | !tell Kronuz about kp-mantra |
| 22:54.04 | bzed | maddash: Changing the voltage of a Pentium M CPU is not recommended because it can make it run out of its specifications. |
| 22:54.34 | maddash | bzed: is that supposed to deter me? |
| 22:54.40 | wols | bzed: erm, any CPU you change voltage runs outside spec... |
| 22:54.40 | xaitax | Konuz: which kernel version are you using? |
| 22:54.42 | enouf | kjxxxx: /msg dpkg which driver .. then make sure those are listed/loaded in /etc/modules .. modprobe each while in a up and running system to see if they do the trick .. otherwise maybe esd or artd is hogging your soundsystem ..ps aux | egrep 'arts|esd' |
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| 22:55.01 | wols | and with undervolting it's not possible to kill the CPU. at most crash the system |
| 22:55.06 | bzed | wols: not as long as you change the voltage within the specs provided by the bios |
| 22:55.23 | wols | what spec? |
| 22:55.28 | Kronuz | why is the make-kpkg clean run twice? |
| 22:55.31 | empgdjh | chrom: sorry for the wait ... look at http://www.slackworks.com/~dkrovich/DRBD/ |
| 22:55.35 | enouf | kjxxxx: it's called artsd , and arts, not artd |
| 22:55.38 | Kronuz | one with the --revision and version stuff |
| 22:55.38 | wols | my BIOS can give me up to 2V. if I use 2V I heve fried silicon |
| 22:55.40 | Kronuz | ? |
| 22:55.41 | maddash | bzed: thanks for the link. I'm already halfway through the kernel build process |
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| 22:55.56 | zinx | bioses that let you change the voltage aren't going by any sort of specs :/ |
| 22:56.05 | wols | zinx: exactly |
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| 22:56.12 | xaitax | notice the 'append-patch' feature |
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| 22:56.22 | ezu5t | if I used make-kpkg to create an initrd, and the initrd is a gzipped cpio, how do I determine which command is being used "under the covers" by make-kpkg to make the initrd? I'm having some strange problems where the initrd that it is building is missing some modules... |
| 22:56.39 | Kronuz | also, does it matter where I put the source files? do I have to do that symbolic link to /usr/src/linux or is it optional? |
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| 22:56.46 | chronographer | hello I have a working sound configuration for everything BUT gnome system sounds... any chance someone can help out? |
| 22:56.49 | wols | Kronuz: doesn't matter |
| 22:56.53 | mike1o | do u think it would be possible to recompile the Shareaza source code for linux? |
| 22:56.55 | Kronuz | xaitax: where did you get the bootsplash patch? |
| 22:57.07 | Kronuz | thanks wols :) |
| 22:57.11 | wols | mike1o: what for? there are better solutions |
| 22:57.19 | xaitax | Kronuz: debian etch |
| 22:57.24 | mike1o | wols, multi-network? |
| 22:57.31 | wols | mike1o: mldonkey |
| 22:57.39 | Kronuz | xaitax: yep, etch |
| 22:57.44 | mike1o | wols, Ill give it a try |
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| 22:57.53 | xaitax | Kronuz: there are also some themes for bootsplash |
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| 22:58.09 | mike1o | wols, better than amule? |
| 22:58.15 | Kronuz | and what's the linux-support package? |
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| 22:58.22 | enouf | ezu5t: /msg dpkg initramfs |
| 22:58.34 | enouf | ezu5t: man mkinitramfs, and friends |
| 22:58.35 | xaitax | oh i gotta search, wait a sec |
| 22:58.35 | wols | mike1o: yes |
| 22:58.51 | Kronuz | hmm... mldonkey |
| 22:59.53 | bzed | wols: no, i meant the voltage specs the bios provides for speedstepping |
| 22:59.55 | jelly-home | mldonkey-gui? mldonkey-server? |
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| 23:00.06 | Kronuz | wols: how's mldonkey better than amule? |
| 23:00.07 | xaitax | Kronuz: apt-get install -t testing linux-patch-bootsplash |
| 23:00.08 | maddash | bzed: i don't think the guys who wrote speedstep_centrino realize how banias, dothan and sonoma relate to each other |
| 23:00.13 | MadDwarf | woohoo! KDE up and running! |
| 23:00.15 | bzed | jelly-home: use amule :P |
| 23:00.24 | Kronuz | xaitax: thanks :) it's great it's in package form too :) |
| 23:00.27 | wols | Kronuz: multinetwork. no X, etc |
| 23:00.38 | amphi | maddash: what makes you say that? |
| 23:00.39 | wols | jelly-home: server |
| 23:00.41 | bzed | maddash: no clue :) |
| 23:00.43 | ezu5t | enouf - turns out I didn't have it installed, and make-kpkg was able to create an initialramfs anyway... so what was it using if not mkinitramfs? |
| 23:00.43 | Kronuz | wols, multinetwork... hmm |
| 23:00.53 | MadDwarf | now to get decent nvidia drivers installed and usable ... what is the reccomended way? |
| 23:01.07 | bzed | !tell MadDwarf about nvidia one-liner |
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| 23:01.37 | wols | MadDwarf: it's almost impossible to get screen corruption with nv hardware. how did you accomplish that |
| 23:01.53 | wols | corruption is a S3 Savage trademark. not nvidia |
| 23:02.06 | bzed | wols: some recent cards seem to ahve trouble with nv |
| 23:02.15 | bzed | MadDwarf: are you using sarge? |
| 23:02.19 | xaitax | Kronuz: but don't expect the progress bar to work. i managed that once, but i had to hack a lot of init scripts ... |
| 23:02.32 | wols | bzed: I have 6600 too. works fine |
| 23:02.36 | e1z0 | jou |
| 23:02.38 | MadDwarf | I am using etch |
| 23:03.00 | MadDwarf | wols: i booted up with the default nv drivers. switching to vesa fixes it |
| 23:03.07 | maddash | amphi: /arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep_centrino.c in 2.6.20.3's source tree treats them each as generations of P/M |
| 23:03.12 | enouf | ezu5t: you either list the ones you want loaded in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/* or /etc/initramfs-tools/* (one of the file within) .. erm did not have what installed? |
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| 23:03.40 | Kronuz | xaitax: but that's a scripts thing only then? |
| 23:03.40 | MadDwarf | "almost impossible" is my middle name ... |
| 23:03.45 | bzed | wols: more like 7600 and higher |
| 23:03.46 | ezu5t | when I ran make-kpkg to create a .deb (which also built an initrd.img), i did not have initramfs-tools installed yet |
| 23:03.48 | xaitax | Kronuz: yes |
| 23:03.56 | enouf | MadDwarf: what did you do to make it work? |
| 23:03.56 | ezu5t | so I was wondering how it created the initramfs |
| 23:04.02 | xaitax | Kronuz: but it's pretty ugly |
| 23:04.05 | enouf | MadDwarf: vesa hehe |
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| 23:04.19 | enouf | ezu5t: what's not installed? |
| 23:04.21 | maddash | amphi: worse yet, cf. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Undervolt_a_Pentium_M_CPU#Configure_the_Kernel and not the 3 different options for banias, dothan and sonoma |
| 23:06.59 | MadDwarf | enouf: i edited the driver line in /etc/x11/xorg.conf from 'nv' to 'vesa' |
| 23:06.59 | Kronuz | MadDwarf: I also have a 6600 (I'm using NVIDIA's official drivers with no problems) |
| 23:06.59 | ezu5t | enouf: initramfs-tools |
| 23:06.59 | maddash | amphi: note*, not "not" |
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| 23:07.00 | enouf | MadDwarf: and you can do that through drxx as well (debian way) |
| 23:07.00 | MadDwarf | Kronuz: if i use the nvidia drivers, it seems to work, but nv drivers corrupt my screen |
| 23:07.01 | xaitax | Kronuz: if you don't mind german howtos, look at that: http://wiki.debianforum.de/Bootsplash |
| 23:07.01 | MadDwarf | drxx? dpgk-reconfigure? |
| 23:07.01 | Kronuz | MadDwarf: dunno, I use the nvidia driver from the official NVIDIA site (version 9755) |
| 23:07.02 | enouf | ezu5t: well .. i doubt that, unless you have some pkgs that are needed instad like mkinitrd, cpio, binutils perhapsetc etc .. check the source |
| 23:07.02 | Kronuz | xaitax: it's going to be a bit hard to understand, but I'll try |
| 23:07.02 | enouf | MadDwarf: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 23:07.02 | xaitax | Kronuz: ask me for help if you need it |
| 23:07.03 | Kronuz | xaitax: thanks :) |
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| 23:07.27 | MadDwarf | enouf: does drxx take me through all the sections of xorg.conf? if so its a long way round to alter one value |
| 23:07.27 | Kronuz | I don't need to be patching anything else from the kernel linux-sources package, right? (other than the bootsplash) |
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| 23:08.24 | ezu5t | i'm looking at the make-kpkg source, and it seems to be using mkinitrd, but I thought that mkinitrd created a cramfs file not a gzipped cpio file. |
| 23:08.25 | amphi | maddash: perhaps the cpus are sufficiently different to warrant that; I doubt it was done for no reason |
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| 23:10.22 | enouf | MadDwarf: yes .. it walks you though the X server's stup |
| 23:10.27 | MadDwarf | so this nvidia "one liner" should install working 3d graphics then? |
| 23:10.27 | enouf | setup* |
| 23:10.55 | amphi | maddash: you could always fix the code if you think it's suboptimal ;) |
| 23:11.49 | enouf | MadDwarf: there used to be an md5sum issue (when editing by hand) and I think a drxx makes an appropriate backup file, but i think that may no longer be the case . |
| 23:12.26 | h3sp4wn | There was never a problem with editing by hand as long as you did it correctly |
| 23:12.26 | MadDwarf | enouf: i don't want a backup! LOL the old version doesn't work! 8o) |
| 23:12.38 | enouf | MadDwarf: the md5sum issue, and ofcourse f you edit it yourself you're responsible for making backups |
| 23:12.47 | enouf | MadDwarf: you just reinstalled |
| 23:13.18 | enouf | MadDwarf: and every time you run drxx you can always fall back top a previously WORKING xorg.conf |
| 23:13.19 | kjxxxx | whats the command to configure alsa |
| 23:13.27 | ezu5t | ah, i see initrd.mk uses yaird, or mkinitrd, or initrd-tools depending on what's there |
| 23:13.29 | enouf | MadDwarf: like from now moving forward |
| 23:13.32 | MadDwarf | enouf: yes, i wiped'n'reinstalled. but the default xorg.conf that install creates is wrong for my system |
| 23:13.45 | kjxxxx | on the dpkg is says run alsa mixer but its is saying no such file |
| 23:13.49 | MadDwarf | enouf: cool, good to know ways of doing good maintainance |
| 23:13.52 | Onur | Can i block to listing other users progress' in ps list (like px axu)? |
| 23:13.55 | enouf | MadDwarf: no .. you chose the wrong settings when setting it up to begin with |
| 23:14.04 | enouf | MadDwarf: ok |
| 23:14.06 | karsten | Onur: Sure, with a filter. |
| 23:14.09 | MadDwarf | enouf: it didn't give me any options to choose |
| 23:14.18 | Onur | karsten: how can i do? |
| 23:14.19 | karsten | Onur: What users do you want to list? Just yourself? |
| 23:14.26 | enouf | MadDwarf: sure it does .. |
| 23:14.31 | Onur | maybe just me onur |
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| 23:14.35 | karsten | Onur: 'ps ux' will be just your own jobs. |
| 23:14.42 | h3sp4wn | kjxxxx: alsaconf (should just work in etch though) |
| 23:14.46 | Entheogen | guys, stupid question.. how can i apply diff file? |
| 23:14.59 | Onur | karsten: i want to block others users to list my progress |
| 23:15.22 | Supaplex | so much for tab completion |
| 23:15.23 | enouf | MadDwarf: it has to .. unless you didn't use expert mode? .. or I'm that familair with the latest installer in regular mode .. bah .. it doesn;t make sense |
| 23:15.24 | karsten | Onur: 'ps waux | awk 'NR==1 || $2 ~ "(<regex list>)"' will print just patterns matching list, and header. |
| 23:15.29 | MadDwarf | enouf: well, maybe i failed to choose "expert setup" |
| 23:15.36 | karsten | Onur: Not with a stock kernel. |
| 23:15.44 | karsten | Onur: You want to *prevent* other users from using ps? |
| 23:15.45 | enouf | MadDwarf: perhaps .. see above |
| 23:15.55 | Onur | yes karsten |
| 23:16.39 | karsten | Onur: You could chmod 750 /bin/ps, and create a ps-users group, chgrp ps to that group, and add only users who are permitted to use ps to that. |
| 23:16.50 | karsten | Onur: However there are many, many other ways to get process information, eg: /proc. |
| 23:17.08 | MadDwarf | anyhoo ... X up and running .. .now for 3D ... nvidia drivers ... having had problems with this already, is it worth splitting the commands? checking fro errors after each one? |
| 23:17.08 | Kronuz | hey, to compile the kernel, what options should I select in the menu to end up with a kernel as the one in the official distribution? |
| 23:17.10 | karsten | Onur: Some of the secure linux tools (eg: SELinux) may offer similar capabilities. |
| 23:17.50 | Kronuz | is there a way I can just copy some default configuration to build the debian kernel the same way it's built when it's put in the packages? |
| 23:17.54 | karsten | Onur: ... generally there's not much you can do to keep someone from pulling that data out elsewhere. |
| 23:18.05 | HostilePenguin | linux has me feeling inadequate |
| 23:18.06 | karsten | Kronuz: make oldconfig using /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
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| 23:18.07 | Supaplex | Kronuz: copy a /boot/config to .config and make oldconfig, or maybe it was make old. |
| 23:18.09 | xaitax | Kronuz: make oldconfig |
| 23:18.14 | enouf | MadDwarf: make a bcakup of your xorg.conf .. either run drxx now and select Vesa (say no to kernel Framebuffer) .. or just cp your file to xorg.confbackup1 or something |
| 23:18.20 | Onur | karsten: ok thanks |
| 23:18.27 | Kronuz | hmm |
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| 23:18.34 | karsten | HostilePenguin: I've got the reverse situation. |
| 23:18.37 | HostilePenguin | hey maddwarf how is etch land? |
| 23:18.43 | karsten | HostilePenguin: ... which I don't consider a problem. |
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| 23:18.47 | eduhat | hello all |
| 23:19.03 | HostilePenguin | you a linux guru karsten? |
| 23:19.21 | Kronuz | thanks guys :) |
| 23:19.22 | MadDwarf | HostilePenguin: Etch is currently flat 8o) working on getting 3D working still 8o) |
| 23:19.31 | karsten | HostilePenguin: Only on Tuesdays under a full moon. |
| 23:22.07 | enouf | and i'm the janitor .. |
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| 23:22.08 | HostilePenguin | 3d like 3d desktop or compiz? |
| 23:22.08 | MadDwarf | enouf: the mild-mannered janitor? ... could be ... |
| 23:22.08 | MadDwarf | HostilePenguin: 3d nvidia drivers for playing games |
| 23:22.08 | wols | karsten: have you changed the moon's orbit too? |
| 23:22.08 | enouf | MadDwarf: yep .. mr cleanup himself :-P |
| 23:22.09 | HostilePenguin | karsten i need a portable linux guru |
| 23:22.09 | karsten | wols: That was just a cartesian=>polar redefinition. |
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| 23:22.09 | MadDwarf | HostilePenguin: theres a market there - guru-in-a-box |
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| 23:22.10 | enouf | MadDwarf: what did you use to install nvidia blobs last time .. which tut did you follow? |
| 23:22.10 | karsten | HostilePenguin: I'm very non-portable. |
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| 23:22.10 | karsten | HostilePenguin: I'm anchored in bedrock. |
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| 23:22.10 | karsten | HostilePenguin: I have a 20x10Kv power requirement. |
| 23:22.11 | karsten | HostilePenguin: I have an auxiliary outbuilding just for cooling load. |
| 23:22.11 | MadDwarf | enouf: i tried a coupl eof different ways, cus i had troubles. this "one-liner", nvidia installer |
| 23:22.11 | Supaplex | there is no gdb for karsten yet |
| 23:22.11 | HostilePenguin | speaking of power anyone ever use a stepdown from 220 to 110 for running their pc's |
| 23:22.24 | enouf | !bully PingFloyd |
| 23:22.43 | Supaplex | !nuke PingFloyd |
| 23:22.45 | zinx | HostilePenguin: i get 120v out of the socket. |
| 23:22.48 | enouf | HostilePenguin: a power attenuator? |
| 23:22.56 | omry_ | just had a dist upgrade, and many apps wont start (iceweasel, icedove, xchat). when I start them from the shell i get "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x080efb78 ***" . (this is after a reboot). any idea? |
| 23:23.06 | HostilePenguin | ive always just called them step down converter |
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| 23:23.27 | enouf | HostilePenguin: I used to use one years ago on my old guitar amps to get the tube overdrive at lower volumes |
| 23:23.28 | Supaplex | HostilePenguin: but why? most power supplies, if not autoranging, have a switch for 120/240 |
| 23:23.50 | HostilePenguin | its a 220 plug |
| 23:24.07 | zinx | karsten: all 20? |
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| 23:24.57 | h3sp4wn | enouf: they don't exist female ones |
| 23:24.58 | PingFloyd | enouf: that will ruin the profit margins in the guru-in-a-box market |
| 23:25.03 | Supaplex | !beer the leprechauns |
| 23:25.04 | dmesg | hi i just did strace program and i get a 26 munber.. |
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| 23:26.15 | dmesg | any ideas what is the 26 number for? |
| 23:26.16 | Supaplex | dmesg: running what? nopaste the output somewhere (unless it's just one line) |
| 23:26.32 | dmesg | on linux |
| 23:26.49 | Kronuz | wols: how do you configure mldonkey to work |
| 23:26.50 | Kronuz | ? |
| 23:26.55 | PingFloyd | dmesg: thanks for shedding light on it |
| 23:26.58 | jelly-home | and it wouldn't be a simple stepdown if it had frequency changing too |
| 23:27.04 | Supaplex | dmesg: the entire command line might clue us in. |
| 23:27.23 | grendal_prime | ok got a box, two nicks, one is attached to 200.19 network, and the other is connected to 103.50. Now each one of those has a different domain |
| 23:27.23 | dmesg | ah ok |
| 23:27.47 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.59 | karsten | grendal_prime: Check your routes |
| 23:28.08 | karsten | grendal_prime: ... and wins/dns search order. |
| 23:28.22 | grendal_prime | i can see everything on both networks |
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| 23:28.52 | grendal_prime | when i refresh the sharelist, it shows both domains, and i can see the resoved names for all the machines on each network, but when i try and connect to any of them, i get an error..very generic error. |
| 23:28.58 | dmesg | brb |
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| 23:29.20 | eduhat232 | hey guys |
| 23:29.24 | grendal_prime | but that is only on the work network(by the way these are both in the same physical building. |
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| 23:30.06 | eduhat232 | i need to unload the orinoco_cs, hermes, and orinoco modules from the kernel... but when i do rmmod orinoco_cs it says that the module is busy |
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| 23:30.16 | eilker | !lynx |
| 23:30.16 | dpkg | a good i mean rocking web browser!, or the ultimate solution to banner ads, or to stop a transfer, hit Ctrl-G, or a piece of shit. links ownz it |
| 23:30.45 | ole | nobody seems to be awake ant #wireless. does anyone know why after testing successfully connectivity between a PC acting as a AP with a madwifi card and a winxp laptop, I turn wpa-psk tkip or aes on with hostapd and i get ethertype Unknown (0x888e) when I tcpdump the AP card |
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| 23:31.15 | eduhat232 | so what can i do to rmmod it? |
| 23:31.30 | eduhat232 | http://www.netgate.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_39&products_id=43 <--- that is my card |
| 23:31.31 | enouf | eduhat232: stop using it .. |
| 23:31.42 | MadDwarf | enouf: I just ran nvidia-one-line-install, but I thought it would ask me some questions? guided set-up? it seems to have finsihed and not asked anything apart from "do you want to continue" during apt-get (using up disk space)" |
| 23:32.02 | enouf | eduhat232: stop the service.. maybe ifdown ethX |
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| 23:32.20 | enouf | MadDwarf: hehe .. too good to be true? |
| 23:32.50 | enouf | MadDwarf: others would know more about it than I .. I'm not familiar with binary blobs and friends |
| 23:32.52 | eduhat232 | enouf: allright |
| 23:32.55 | MadDwarf | enouf: 'spose i need to test it |
| 23:33.08 | enouf | MadDwarf: finish the install .. |
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| 23:33.28 | MadDwarf | enouf: as far as it seems, the install is finished |
| 23:33.34 | Kronuz | MadDwarf: in case you have trouble with the NVIDIA drivers you got using apt-get, uninstall them all and then run the official drivers' instalation (I have'n had any trouble with the official drivers, plus support more stuff) |
| 23:33.41 | maddash | amphi: yes, thank goodness the source is open |
| 23:33.59 | amphi | maddash: PTL! |
| 23:34.16 | MadDwarf | Kronuz: i need to apt-get remove all the packages mentioned in one-liner? |
| 23:34.20 | grendal_prime | karsten: what exactly am i looking for in my routs? |
| 23:34.36 | grendal_prime | by the way i can ping this box im trying to samba two. |
| 23:34.37 | HostilePenguin | i have 3 computers hooked up right now all on a router one is my print server and nfs server can i hook another pc to my server and not to the router? |
| 23:34.57 | karsten | grendal_prime: You should have routes defined for all your subnets. |
| 23:34.58 | HostilePenguin | and ping it from the two desk tops? |
| 23:35.00 | Kronuz | MadDwarf: you'll need to remove everything that says nvidia in the installed packages before installing the official drivers (that's a must) |
| 23:35.21 | karsten | grendal_prime: Any net you don't have defined you're only going to be able to connect to immediate (LAN-local) hosts. |
| 23:35.23 | Kronuz | (otherwise you'll get into trouble making it work) |
| 23:35.44 | grendal_prime | good place to look for these routs? |
| 23:36.08 | eduhat232 | FINALLY!!!! IT WORKS!!! |
| 23:36.11 | grendal_prime | sorry, this is sort of not may area of expertiese. and the other techs here do nothing with linux |
| 23:36.13 | MadDwarf | well, my xorg.conf says i'm still using vesa drivers ... |
| 23:36.19 | eduhat232 | i've been trying for eons to get it working |
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| 23:36.37 | enouf | eduhat232: oh yeah .. use modprobe -r next time, not rmmod ;-) |
| 23:36.48 | karsten | grendal_prime: pastebin 'ifconfig -a; route -n;' and ask channel for help. I'm busy. |
| 23:36.57 | Kronuz | MadDwarf: particularly, if you want to use the official NVIDIA drivers from the nvidia site, make sure you don't have any files /etc/init.d/nvidia* (after removing the nvidia packages, just double check it) and then install the NVIDIA official driver as they explain in their site |
| 23:37.04 | eduhat232 | enouf: i didnt even have to do ifdown eth1... all i had to do is apt-get install hostap-modules-2.6.8-3-386 and restart my comp... thats it |
| 23:37.18 | enouf | eduhat232: sweet .. |
| 23:37.20 | eduhat232 | enouf: allright, thank you for the advice |
| 23:37.24 | enouf | !hug eduhat232 |
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| 23:37.35 | dustybin | what was the first ever linux distro to be born? |
| 23:37.39 | PingFloyd | eduhat232: rebooting kind of accomplishes the same thing and then some |
| 23:37.42 | MrNiceGuy | hi, |
| 23:37.44 | MrNiceGuy | is this the right place to ask for help about "iceweasel" ? |
| 23:37.49 | eduhat232 | PingFloyd: yeah |
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| 23:37.53 | streuner_ | dustybin: how old are you? |
| 23:37.54 | enouf | PingFloyd: shhhsshh :-) |
| 23:37.57 | dustybin | 30 |
| 23:38.03 | asg | dustybin: yggdrasil or SLC iirc |
| 23:38.05 | kjxxxx | what mixer is available for bass, trebble, mid and other |
| 23:38.05 | karsten | dustybin: There was a finnish collection of sorts, then SLS, shortly after, this ~1992/1993. |
| 23:38.13 | karsten | asg: SLS. |
| 23:38.22 | enouf | kjxxxx: alsamixer |
| 23:38.26 | enouf | maybe? |
| 23:38.27 | dustybin | interesting |
| 23:38.38 | maddash | finally finished compiling |
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| 23:39.05 | asg | karsten: gah, that's it. Thanks |
| 23:39.11 | enouf | oh wait .. maybe not for that .. hrm .. i recently installed all alsa stuff over oss, but haven't played with it much yet |
| 23:39.25 | streuner_ | dustybin: 'lustig' |
| 23:39.28 | maddash | isn't anyone going to !hug me? |
| 23:39.31 | karsten | asg: "Soft-Landing Software -- because it was a pile of shit!" |
| 23:39.44 | dustybin | :) |
| 23:39.45 | asg | karsten: and pat created slackware thereafter |
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| 23:39.54 | enouf | maddash: did you fart loudly or something .. that's deserved? |
| 23:40.12 | streuner_ | haha |
| 23:40.13 | enouf | ahh .. ok .. i see .. |
| 23:40.14 | MadDwarf | ok, nvidia drivers (hopefully) uninstalled (any relaible way to check?) now to install from nvidia.com |
| 23:40.15 | streuner_ | enough |
| 23:40.18 | karsten | dustybin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution#History |
| 23:40.19 | maddash | enouf: we'll see |
| 23:40.19 | Hiryu | Hello, can someone direct me to some good project management software that supports subversion? |
| 23:40.19 | enouf | !ataboy maddash |
| 23:40.23 | karsten | asg: Right. |
| 23:40.37 | enouf | streuner_: :-) |
| 23:40.51 | karsten | HJ Lu's "Boot-root", MCC Interim Linux via University of Manchester, TAMU (Texas A&M), SLS. |
| 23:40.57 | MrNiceGuy | is this the right place to ask for help about "iceweasel" ? anyone? |
| 23:41.00 | karsten | Slackware: July 16, 1993. |
| 23:41.05 | karsten | MrNiceGuy: Try us. |
| 23:41.17 | karsten | MrNiceGuy: If it's Debian, yes, if it's not, no. |
| 23:41.27 | Kronuz | MadDwarf: just make sure there are no nvidia* files at /etc/init.d/: 'ls -la /etc/init.d/nvidia*' |
| 23:41.28 | MrNiceGuy | debian etch |
| 23:41.28 | streuner_ | karsten: SLS 91-92 :-P |
| 23:41.29 | dustybin | would u guys install those ultra old distros out of interest |
| 23:41.35 | PingFloyd | dustybin: there's some debate as to whether yggdrasil or sls came first. There's even further debate that neither of those were first distro depending upon definition of distro. |
| 23:41.37 | maddash | sudo shutup -r 0 |
| 23:41.49 | asg | dustybin: some of us ran some of them ;) |
| 23:41.50 | dustybin | i see |
| 23:41.54 | karsten | dustybin: That's really a matter of personal choice. |
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| 23:41.57 | enouf | MadDwarf: a dpkg -l nv may list all nvidia pkgs |
| 23:42.08 | MrNiceGuy | i installed "iceweasel-l10n-nb-no" trough apt, wich is supposed to be norwegian, but still it installs in english... |
| 23:42.13 | enouf | MadDwarf: there's asterisks surrounding nv |
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| 23:42.20 | asg | dustybin: funnily enough, slackware in 96 is not much different from slackware in 2007 |
| 23:42.25 | Kronuz | MadDwarf: then go to NVIDIA ang download the 14 MB or so file "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run" |
| 23:42.31 | dustybin | heh |
| 23:42.44 | PingFloyd | yeah, slackware doesn't really need to be though |
| 23:43.18 | MadDwarf | ok, thnx. dpkg -| nv shows no matches, i have the .run file ... |
| 23:43.27 | enouf | asg: didn't slack recently just try to integrate udev finally or something? I recall an interview with pat not too long ago |
| 23:43.32 | asg | dustybin: chances are, you could run them easily in qemu |
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| 23:43.45 | enouf | MadDwarf: not a PIPE ..that's an L |
| 23:43.46 | Kronuz | MadDwarf: you'll also need to install the linux-headers package for your kernel |
| 23:43.51 | asg | enouf: no clue, I haven't followed slack since I started using Debian in the slink days. |
| 23:43.52 | MrNiceGuy | so, any ideas why it doesnt install in norwegian? |
| 23:43.56 | peppe | MadDwarf: do you really nead the *latest* nvidia drivers? 1.0.9476 is in experimental |
| 23:44.05 | enouf | asg: don;t know much more myself .. heh |
| 23:44.10 | MadDwarf | peppe: i need WORKING drivers ... |
| 23:44.25 | peppe | MadDwarf: mine are working perfectly |
| 23:44.37 | Kronuz | well, I just suggested the official drivers since they're working very well here and I also have a 6600 |
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| 23:45.01 | MadDwarf | sigh |
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| 23:45.12 | enouf | MadDwarf: you HAVE nvidia info in your cache and a correct dpkg -l <asterisk>nv<astersisk> will show their status |
| 23:45.27 | peppe | better: apt-cache search nvidia |
| 23:45.33 | enouf | MadDwarf: is this a Laptop? |
| 23:45.41 | enouf | peppe: not really |
| 23:45.48 | bahatpc | I'm trying to install etch with an USB stick as described in the install manual, but the installer fails to find the ISO image I copied onto the stick. Does anybody have an idea what might be going on? |
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| 23:46.19 | enouf | bahatpc: that's a contradiction i'm afraid |
| 23:46.31 | MadDwarf | enouf: not a laptop |
| 23:46.46 | enouf | MadDwarf: and a PCIe or AGP card? |
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| 23:46.50 | MadDwarf | AGP |
| 23:47.00 | peppe | MadDwarf: which card exactly? I lost the backlog |
| 23:47.08 | bahatpc | enouf: really? I can't detect it |
| 23:47.09 | MadDwarf | peppe: nvidia 6600 |
| 23:47.18 | enouf | okie .. and your BIOS is setup correctly for AGP 8x? and Aperture is correct and all? |
| 23:47.39 | enouf | bahatpc: the installer from where/what? |
| 23:47.52 | MadDwarf | enouf: i run the hardware just fine in windows, swapping only HDD, so i presume bios is ok |
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| 23:48.24 | peppe | MadDwarf: and it doesn't work with debian packaged nvidia drivers? |
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| 23:48.31 | enouf | MadDwarf: ok .. physically swapping? not that it really matters |
| 23:48.36 | bahatpc | enouf: I used zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda to prepare the USB stick, mounted it, copied a businesscard ISO onto it, unmounted it and booted the USB stick |
| 23:48.53 | MadDwarf | enouf: yes, physically swapping (removable bays) |
| 23:49.05 | bahatpc | Installation fails at the ISO detection step |
| 23:49.06 | enouf | MadDwarf: heh .. hotswap? |
| 23:49.18 | MadDwarf | peppe: the default 'nv' drivers that debian installs corrupt my entire displaqy, GUI, console and all |
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| 23:50.10 | peppe | MadDwarf: ok, did you try the nvidia drivers? |
| 23:50.12 | enouf | bahatpc: what format is the USB stick? fat32? |
| 23:50.51 | Kronuz | by the way, talking about swapping |
| 23:50.55 | MadDwarf | i have not tried the drivers from nvidia.com yet, as i need to ensure other drivers are uninstalled |
| 23:51.03 | MadDwarf | my dpkg output is: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5791. |
| 23:51.07 | Kronuz | how do I know if I have a swap partition working? |
| 23:51.16 | azeem | Kronuz: run `free' |
| 23:51.23 | peppe | MadDwarf: you don't have to uninstall "nv" drivers in order to install and use nvidia drivers |
| 23:51.28 | Kronuz | azeem, and what should I look there? |
| 23:51.37 | Kronuz | azeem: it shows swap 0 0 0 |
| 23:51.38 | azeem | for Swap |
| 23:51.44 | azeem | well, then you don't have swap |
| 23:51.47 | Kronuz | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 23:51.48 | dkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.50 | Kronuz | O_O |
| 23:51.52 | bahatpc | enouf: how does that matter if I overwrote the entire information on it by zcatting the prepared boot.img.gz on it? |
| 23:51.53 | MadDwarf | peppe: i installed drivers using the one-line-installer i keep being told about. that did not work, so i need to clean up |
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| 23:52.07 | Kronuz | dkr, nope, it's empty |
| 23:52.18 | Kronuz | how do I activate one swap? |
| 23:52.22 | peppe | MadDwarf: the nvidia.com "official" installer? |
| 23:52.34 | enouf | bahatpc: try reformatting it fat16 .. or atleast the /boot partition |
| 23:52.43 | MadDwarf | no, drivers from the Debian repository |
| 23:53.27 | enouf | MadDwarf: apt-get --purge remove nvidia-kernel- 1.0.8776-4+2.6 |
| 23:53.28 | dkr | then make like the karate kid: swapoff, swapon, swapoff, swapon |
| 23:53.32 | enouf | MadDwarf: apt-get --purge remove nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776-4+2.6 .. or whatever the pkg is |
| 23:53.32 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: man swapon |
| 23:53.35 | MadDwarf | Reading package lists... Done |
| 23:53.36 | MadDwarf | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 23:53.36 | MadDwarf | Package nvidia-kernel is not installed, so not removed |
| 23:53.36 | MadDwarf | E: Couldn't find package 1.0.8776-4+2.6 |
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| 23:53.37 | enouf | MadDwarf: you still have config files laying around .. |
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| 23:53.43 | MadDwarf | OH FFS |
| 23:53.44 | enouf | STOP THAT! |
| 23:53.51 | enouf | you know better .. |
| 23:53.55 | Kronuz | PingFloyd: but I added the swap to the /etc/fstab |
| 23:54.01 | peppe | MadDwarf: did you *purge* nvidia-glx or you have not ever installed it? did you change your xorg.conf in order to make X use the nvidia driver? |
| 23:54.02 | MadDwarf | 4 lines? |
| 23:54.22 | enouf | bahatpc: you didn't write anythign if there wasn't a FS on it |
| 23:54.25 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: in that case, then something is off |
| 23:54.40 | Kronuz | ... it all started during the installation... |
| 23:54.40 | HostilePenguin | i say try the apt-get --purge remove |
| 23:54.47 | MadDwarf | peppe: i have not installed nvidia-glx. i am in the process of purging eveythig i have installed |
| 23:55.00 | Kronuz | I kept getting an error about it not being able to "mount the swap at none" |
| 23:55.15 | bahatpc | enouf: I didn't write to a mounted filesystem, I wrote directly to the device /dev/sda |
| 23:55.20 | peppe | MadDwarf: that's a bad choice, since you got wrong before and things didn't work because of your fault |
| 23:55.24 | bahatpc | as stated in 4.4.1 of the installation manual |
| 23:55.44 | MadDwarf | peppe: what? |
| 23:55.46 | HostilePenguin | how many days of installing and uninstalling video drives has it been maddwarf |
| 23:55.49 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: did you run mkswap on the swap partition in question? |
| 23:55.49 | Kronuz | MadDwarf: you should try the official drivers, they work great here (and they're the latest ones) |
| 23:55.49 | enouf | bahatpc: i don;t care what you wrote .. it has a FS on it .. what FS is it? |
| 23:55.55 | MadDwarf | nealry a week, HostilePenguin |
| 23:55.58 | HostilePenguin | i say borked |
| 23:56.15 | Kronuz | PingFloyd: it already was a swap from my old ubuntu's |
| 23:56.33 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: also, did you set up the partition to right type (82)? |
| 23:56.43 | enouf | bahatpc: i apologize for not knowing every aspect of the install guide and you did riught by following it .. however .. I only know so much ;-) |
| 23:56.49 | Kronuz | PingFloyd: I suppose it's alright, let me re-check |
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| 23:56.57 | MadDwarf | peppe: can you suggest a way forward from here? |
| 23:57.00 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: also, are you sure you're reference the right device name? |
| 23:57.12 | bahatpc | enouf: thanks anyway, I'll figure it out somehow :-) |
| 23:57.13 | PingFloyd | s/reference/referencing |
| 23:57.20 | peppe | MadDwarf: apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` linux-headers-`uname-r` ; m-a a-i nvidia ; dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 23:57.23 | MadDwarf | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5792. |
| 23:57.27 | enouf | bahatpc: i have some links that may help .. hang a sec |
| 23:57.29 | Kronuz | PingFloyd: 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 23:57.33 | peppe | something like that |
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| 23:57.53 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: that's good. Does it's device name match what you have in your fstab? |
| 23:57.58 | unsolo | where is your ps3 forum |
| 23:57.59 | unsolo | ? |
| 23:58.02 | peppe | MadDwarf: sorry: actually if you can install your nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` package you won't need to install headers&ci |
| 23:58.03 | peppe | *co |
| 23:58.17 | Kronuz | PingFloyd: in my fstab: /dev/mapper/nvidia_ificadeg5 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 23:58.30 | Kronuz | from fdisk -l : /dev/mapper/nvidia_ificadeg5 17683 18079 3188902 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 23:59.01 | enouf | http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 and http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en .. make sure you're not viewing an outdated or wrong arch install guide |
| 23:59.12 | enouf | bahatpc: ^^^ |
| 23:59.35 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: sounds about right, guess try running mkswap on it |