| 00:00.06 | enouf | bahatpc: maybe you SHOULD format it .. mkdosfs -F 16 prior to copying anything over |
| 00:00.10 | bahatpc | enouf: thanks |
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| 00:00.41 | Kronuz | PingFloyd: done... I got a UUID as the mkswap answer, what's that? |
| 00:00.59 | Kronuz | and also, what next? |
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| 00:01.03 | enouf | bahatpc: note Fat16 has a 2GB partition limit .. so if your stick is bigger .. create a few partitions .. the others can be whatever you like I suppose |
| 00:01.04 | MadDwarf | dpkg seems to say i have an nvidia-kernel installed, but apt-get --purge says its not there |
| 00:01.41 | peppe | MadDwarf: begin with installing nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
| 00:01.41 | MadDwarf | i don;'t know what the rc at the start of the dpkg line means |
| 00:01.49 | peppe | MadDwarf: Removed && Configured |
| 00:02.04 | enouf | bahatpc: man mkdosfs .. install dosfstools |
| 00:02.08 | MadDwarf | peppe: i have tried installing some drivers. do i need to clean them up 1st? |
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| 00:02.27 | peppe | MadDwarf: "some drivers"? which drivers? |
| 00:02.27 | HostilePenguin | borked |
| 00:02.30 | bahatpc | enouf: I'm familiar, thanks :-) |
| 00:02.33 | Kronuz | xaitax: okay, done building the kernel... where's the kernel image at? is it vmlinux at the kernel's source root directory? |
| 00:02.35 | MadDwarf | [dpkg] bzed wants you to know: i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:02.43 | MadDwarf | peppe: those drivers |
| 00:02.52 | enouf | bahatpc: welcome .. okie ;-) .. report back if you can |
| 00:03.08 | enouf | or care to |
| 00:03.13 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: not sure what you mean. Anyway, at that point, it's just a matter of mounting it usually, and running swapon for it |
| 00:03.18 | bzed | peppe: you can't install the nvidia kernel module without building it before, and you can't install nvidia-glx without ahving the kernel module installed |
| 00:03.25 | peppe | MadDwarf: that's quite perfect |
| 00:03.25 | HostilePenguin | unstable? |
| 00:03.38 | Kronuz | PingFloyd: where's swapon run from (at boot) |
| 00:03.40 | MadDwarf | peppe: it is not perfect - it does not work on my system |
| 00:03.40 | peppe | bzed: there is some precompiled nvidia kernel module on repositories |
| 00:03.45 | bzed | MadDwarf: just put it in one line or split it at the && and ; |
| 00:03.48 | peppe | MadDwarf: "quite" ;) |
| 00:03.49 | enouf | bork3d == your unstableness ? |
| 00:04.05 | bzed | peppe: not in any official debian one, at least not afaik |
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| 00:04.25 | Kronuz | PingFloyd: 'swapon -a' activated it alright |
| 00:04.41 | Kronuz | but it's not being activated by default at boot (or at least it wasn't) |
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| 00:04.53 | bzed | peppe: OH! you're right |
| 00:05.03 | bzed | peppe: dounds liek ti's time to edit the one-liners |
| 00:05.03 | acu | I want to start phppgadmin - what should I type? |
| 00:05.14 | enouf | MadDwarf: apt-get --purge remove nvidia<tab><tab> |
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| 00:05.34 | peppe | bzed: yes, also echo nvidia >> /etc/modules is pretty pointless --- udev loads it |
| 00:05.46 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: from /etc/init.d/mountall.sh | checkroot.sh |
| 00:06.04 | bzed | peppe: seems that the oneliner is half stuck at sarge |
| 00:06.07 | MadDwarf | enouf: apt-get --purge remove nvidia<tab><tab> beep beep beep (no options |
| 00:06.09 | enouf | MadDwarf: dpkg -L nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776-4+2.6 |
| 00:06.16 | Kronuz | hey, after building the kernel.. where is it put? (the image) |
| 00:06.19 | enouf | beep beep ..LMAO |
| 00:06.23 | bzed | enouf: MadDwarf wants to isntall that, not remove it |
| 00:06.30 | peppe | bzed: how we can change it? :) |
| 00:06.30 | enouf | !tell MadDwarf about bell |
| 00:06.51 | bzed | peppe: talk to dpkg, say no, nvidia one-liner is ................... |
| 00:07.02 | enouf | bzed: see http://channels.debian.net/paste/5791 from MadDwarf 's earlier psot |
| 00:07.34 | bzed | enouf: uf, that cries for unstable |
| 00:07.34 | enouf | you can edit the factoid fairly easily |
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| 00:07.41 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: those two scripts have swapon -a in them. You might check if you have those and also check how they coicide with your runlevels /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 00:07.48 | enouf | bzed: tell MadDwarf not me ;-) |
| 00:07.51 | bzed | peppe: probably keep the actual one for sarge, though |
| 00:08.11 | peppe | bzed: "nvidia one-liner is also ..."? |
| 00:08.28 | enouf | bzed: supposedly s/he's using Etch ,, BUT I think using an old /home partition |
| 00:08.48 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: kernels are usually kept in /boot/ |
| 00:08.52 | bzed | enouf: I'm sure you'll figure out, I need to finish a python package |
| 00:08.55 | MadDwarf | enouf: he is indeed using Etch, with a /home partition from a few days back |
| 00:09.04 | bzed | Kronuz: if you';ve used make-kpkg, it's just in .. |
| 00:09.12 | enouf | peppe: use dpkg no, nvidia-one-liner is <reply> Text |
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| 00:09.36 | Kronuz | bzed: oh, it creates a deb package?! |
| 00:09.49 | peppe | ok, I don't want to mess up things so if one can do it I leave this task to him :D |
| 00:09.49 | enouf | peppe: must be cogent about factoid anming though .. it's likely nvidia one-liner, not nvidia-one-liner |
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| 00:09.52 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: <what bzed said> then it's just a matter of running dpkg -i on it. |
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| 00:10.07 | enouf | s/anming/naming |
| 00:10.27 | enouf | MadDwarf: thanks for clarifying |
| 00:10.38 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: from there it will put it in /boot/ |
| 00:10.49 | peppe | enouf: "no, ... is" does a replacement or an addition? |
| 00:10.57 | PingFloyd | Kronuz: after you installed the just made kernel with dpkg |
| 00:11.05 | enouf | MadDwarf: dio you have any unstable repos in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:11.14 | mike1 | I installed etch on a new Toshiba lapy,Installed atheros drivers,network is up but flakey,Stop/start kind of browsing ? |
| 00:11.14 | enouf | peppe: a replacement |
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| 00:11.45 | peppe | enouf: ok, and what if I want to leave the current line for sarge and add something else for etch/sid? "X is also ..."? |
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| 00:12.11 | enouf | peppe: it's a bit triuckier to append .. but tothers know that sytax better .. i'll fck it up if I try now |
| 00:12.19 | MadDwarf | enouf: sources.list uses main etch contrib non-free |
| 00:12.24 | Kronuz | PingFloyd: yep, it's there now, thanks :) |
| 00:12.28 | Kronuz | thanks bzed |
| 00:12.48 | enouf | peppe: kust take that info and make a new one for now .. call it nvidia -one-liner-etch |
| 00:12.58 | enouf | s/kust/just |
| 00:13.01 | MadDwarf | etch = unstable? |
| 00:13.13 | enouf | MadDwarf: no ..and okie ;-) |
| 00:13.14 | HostilePenguin | testing |
| 00:13.21 | enouf | !tell MadDwarf about releases |
| 00:14.07 | MadDwarf | kk, i always get testing and unstable mixed up |
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| 00:14.07 | Snuggles2000 | Is there supposed to be around 10 instances of some processes in the System Monitor? |
| 00:14.13 | Kronuz | okay, brb |
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| 00:15.06 | \amethyst | Snuggles2000: which processes? maybe, if they use threads |
| 00:15.17 | enouf | factoid=~s#old last words of factoid#new words added here# .. <--something like that peppe |
| 00:15.51 | enouf | !abrotmoo |
| 00:15.52 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 00:15.55 | Snuggles2000 | Firefox, XChat, etc. I was thinking threads too, but does System Monitor default to thread display? |
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| 00:16.26 | peppe | what's "System Monitor"? a gnome applet? |
| 00:16.34 | \amethyst | Snuggles2000: Firefox doesn't use threads, though... |
| 00:17.00 | \amethyst | ah, yes it does, nm |
| 00:17.01 | MadDwarf | going to get some air. back in 2 minutes. if i can resist the urge to destroy everythig in my path ;o) |
| 00:17.07 | Snuggles2000 | Right now, firefox-bin is showing up as about 10 processes, each listed at 40.3mb each. |
| 00:17.40 | Snuggles2000 | I'm not sure if the 40.3mb would be total process memory usage, or per-thread. |
| 00:18.16 | \amethyst | Snuggles2000: yes, it looks like it shows threads not processes. That memory usage includes all the shared mappings, too |
| 00:18.22 | Snuggles2000 | And the other processes are saying "Sleeping" |
| 00:18.30 | Snuggles2000 | Ahh, interesting. |
| 00:18.33 | \amethyst | Snuggles2000: so most, but not all, of that 40.3mb is shared |
| 00:18.33 | peppe | Snuggles2000: if they share the same PID they are threads of the same process |
| 00:18.44 | Kronuz | hey, who knows german? |
| 00:18.49 | \amethyst | Snuggles2000: some of it with other programs that use the same libraries as FF |
| 00:19.08 | Snuggles2000 | Different PID's peppe. |
| 00:19.10 | peppe | 40.3m is reported in which columns? RSS? VM? consider that many of that memory can be shared with other processes |
| 00:19.14 | Kronuz | xaitax: are you still there? |
| 00:19.40 | Snuggles2000 | Reoirted in Resident Memory column. |
| 00:19.56 | peppe | Snuggles2000: if they have a diffent *pid* they are different processes. are you sure that it isn't the TID? |
| 00:20.11 | Snuggles2000 | Positively sure. I don't even see any option in System Monitor that relates to threads. |
| 00:20.12 | azeem | Kronuz: there's #debian.de |
| 00:20.18 | Kronuz | lol |
| 00:20.31 | Kronuz | azeem: I don't that's why :P |
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| 00:20.58 | enouf | peppe: and bzed .. /msg dpkg nv.run <-- that was made by someone whom supposedly knows .. seee what you think about what it says |
| 00:21.09 | Kronuz | azeem: never mind, I used the babel fish |
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| 00:21.28 | enouf | !fish Kronuz |
| 00:22.00 | peppe | Snuggles2000: ok, acid test, ps aux -L |
| 00:22.26 | bzed | enouf: do NOT do that |
| 00:22.34 | Kronuz | hey, how do you recover from a console that's lost the letters? like when you do a cat at some binary |
| 00:22.34 | enouf | bzed: heh |
| 00:22.49 | azeem | Kronuz: "reset" |
| 00:23.01 | bzed | enouf: I've added the warning at the begin not without any reason ;) the rest is jetscreamer's work |
| 00:23.06 | Snuggles2000 | Now that's a lot of processes peppe. |
| 00:23.06 | Kronuz | thanks azeem :) |
| 00:23.07 | bzed | Kronuz: reset |
| 00:23.16 | enouf | bzed: they claim it works for them .. but thanks for your input .. I don;t know wenough about it either way |
| 00:23.20 | bzed | Kronuz: as: in exec that, don;t reset your computer |
| 00:23.33 | Kronuz | yeah, thanks bzed |
| 00:23.33 | enouf | bzed: that's right ;-) |
| 00:23.33 | bzed | enouf: yeah, it works until the next upgrade |
| 00:23.56 | enouf | bzed: how often do you upgrade? .. any upgrade? |
| 00:23.56 | Snuggles2000 | Same output as System Monitor, essentially peppe. |
| 00:24.04 | peppe | Snuggles2000: http://rafb.net/p/zhxcjY83.html <-- mine are threads of the same process (same PID, different TID). If you have many firefox processes it is not "so good" (waste of memory) |
| 00:24.14 | bzed | enouf: since there're pre-build nvidia modules in non-free now, i think that we can just replace the one-line by an according thing |
| 00:24.16 | enouf | bzed: or a kernel upgrade |
| 00:24.27 | bzed | peppe: want to change it? if not I'll take care of it later |
| 00:24.45 | enouf | bzed: tell me what you want to add exactly |
| 00:24.51 | bzed | enouf: kernel upgrade, any upgrade which will affect openGL / glx libs |
| 00:24.58 | enouf | bzed: azeem can do it too likely |
| 00:24.59 | Kronuz | okay, brb |
| 00:25.03 | Kronuz | (hopefully :S) |
| 00:25.19 | bzed | enouf: I want to move the actual one so something line sarge nvidia one-liner |
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| 00:25.39 | bzed | enouf: and add a new one for testing/... |
| 00:25.44 | peppe | bzed: hm, it would be better if you do it yourself, I don't want to mess up things |
| 00:25.46 | bzed | I can do it later, i jsut want to finish python-soappy |
| 00:25.47 | enouf | bzed: how about pastebinning the now .. and the altered? |
| 00:26.14 | bzed | good idea |
| 00:26.20 | bzed | but.. later if that's ok ;) |
| 00:26.28 | enouf | bzed: i do it all the time, by just grabbing only needed info and inseting/appendeing other info |
| 00:26.43 | enouf | bzed: okie .. no biggy |
| 00:26.44 | Snuggles2000 | http://rafb.net/p/HgRnR028.html There's the output peppe, heh. |
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| 00:27.10 | MadDwarf | ok, calmed a little. I have installed Etch on my 3GHz P4 (512mb DDR) using a nvidia 6600. I boot up to KDE. I had to edit xorg.conf to replace the 'nv' drivers with 'vesa' to stop the display corrupting. I then tried to install nvidia drivres using the one-liner given here. THis did not work (don;t know why) so am trying to uninstall it all to try the ./run file from nvidia.com. I seem to have most of it cleaned up, but an entr |
| 00:27.11 | MadDwarf | nv still shows a nvidia-kernel entry (noted as rc) |
| 00:27.22 | Snuggles2000 | Definately a waste of memory. I kept wondering why 'free' was showing all of my ram used up and 194mb of my swap used up. |
| 00:27.31 | enouf | bzed: i may be asleep . but there's always someone aruond that can help with that |
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| 00:27.37 | MadDwarf | i try to apt-get purge remove the file but get a file-not-found error |
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| 00:28.17 | enouf | MadDwarf: --purge remove? |
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| 00:28.39 | MadDwarf | yes apt-get --purge remove |
| 00:28.43 | enouf | MadDwarf: try dpkg -P <pkgname> |
| 00:28.48 | Kronuz | well, it did show the bootsplash... but it hung there :( |
| 00:29.10 | Kronuz | any ideas how can I test what went wrong or something? |
| 00:29.12 | bzed | enouf: I can do it, not a problem |
| 00:29.20 | bzed | enouf: peppe didn;t know how |
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| 00:29.34 | Snuggles2000 | peppe: Whenever I execute a file, sometimes a huge number of processes start... I mean, Java must have at least 20 running right now. |
| 00:29.47 | hagabaka | in apt/preferences, is it possible to create a pin for "* except package1, package2, ..."? |
| 00:29.52 | MadDwarf | enouf: it is ignoring my request to remove a package wich is not installed |
| 00:30.09 | peppe | Snuggles2000: wait a second: what kernel are you running? |
| 00:30.30 | enouf | MadDwarf: what's the error? |
| 00:30.43 | MadDwarf | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776-4+2.6 which isn't installed. |
| 00:31.04 | Snuggles2000 | peppe: 2.4 |
| 00:31.06 | enouf | MadDwarf: hrm .. reinstall it , then --purge remove |
| 00:31.19 | Snuggles2000 | Or rather, 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 00:31.21 | peppe | Snuggles2000: hm, I guess it's for *that* reason |
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| 00:31.35 | Snuggles2000 | Hmm..interesting. |
| 00:31.36 | Kronuz | azeem: what would you do to see why my kernel is not booting? |
| 00:31.37 | peppe | they're probably threads but you see them as different processes |
| 00:31.43 | Snuggles2000 | Ahh. |
| 00:31.55 | enouf | MadDwarf: either that or dpkg lists are not correct .. try aptitude remove <pkgname> |
| 00:31.56 | Snuggles2000 | Sideaffect of running etch software on an old kernel? |
| 00:31.56 | peppe | but they actually share memory (they _are_ threads) |
| 00:32.02 | peppe | Snuggles2000: kind of, I think |
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| 00:32.17 | peppe | Snuggles2000: why don't upgrading to a *brand new* 2.6 series kernel? :D |
| 00:32.20 | Snuggles2000 | Weird how the call for processes and threads would be switched around..interesting. |
| 00:32.36 | Snuggles2000 | lol, well partly due to the difficulty involved, and partly because I'm not sure my nic would work with it. |
| 00:32.40 | azeem | Kronuz: does it run if you don't enable bootsplash? |
| 00:32.49 | peppe | Snuggles2000: what nic? |
| 00:32.58 | Snuggles2000 | Let me find it. |
| 00:33.18 | enouf | MadDwarf: please do a "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l nvidia-kernel- 1.0.8776-4+2.6*" .. no quotes.. the name of the pkg is being truncated |
| 00:33.19 | Kronuz | azeem: that's what I was going to try right now... brb |
| 00:33.23 | Snuggles2000 | Integrated Intel 10/100 Ethernet/Intel 82562ET (10/100) |
| 00:34.11 | peppe | Snuggles2000: that will work for sure |
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| 00:34.45 | peppe | damn, it's not a nic made up from a mudguard |
| 00:34.47 | enouf | MadDwarf: please do a "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776-4+2.6*" <-- st00pid spaces in names earlier |
| 00:35.03 | peppe | enouf: or dpkg -l | cat ;) |
| 00:35.04 | Snuggles2000 | The problem I had was the DHCP setup. |
| 00:35.11 | hatta | http://pastebin.ca/407433 |
| 00:35.18 | hatta | anyone have any idea what's going on there? |
| 00:35.21 | hatta | where's my 600mb? |
| 00:35.34 | MadDwarf | No packages found matching nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776-4+2.6*. |
| 00:35.37 | enouf | cat? .. no grep |
| 00:35.46 | Snuggles2000 | During the Etch installation with the 2.6 kernel the DHCP was all screwed up, and I couldn't configure it manually either. |
| 00:36.06 | peppe | MadDwarf: just nvidia-kernel* |
| 00:36.10 | enouf | MadDwarf: dpkg -l | grep "*nv*" |
| 00:36.11 | asg | hatta: by default most filesystems save 5% of the space for root's use only |
| 00:36.23 | MadDwarf | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove nvidia-kernel* which isn't installed. |
| 00:36.46 | hatta | asg, I don't think that counts as "used" space in `df` though |
| 00:36.49 | peppe | MadDwarf: good lord!!! dpkg -l nvidia-kernel\* | cat |
| 00:36.51 | Snuggles2000 | peppe: Just a Q. Can I just aptitude install kernel-image-xxx ? |
| 00:36.54 | Snuggles2000 | Or is there more involved? |
| 00:36.58 | asg | hatta: also, if you have a process that stored a large file and you delete it but don't restart the process, the filehandle is still open so the space is still reported as being in use. |
| 00:37.09 | MadDwarf | no response from dpkg -l | grep "*nv*" |
| 00:37.10 | peppe | Snuggles2000: you should update your boot loader |
| 00:37.12 | hatta | oh that's probably it |
| 00:37.23 | peppe | Snuggles2000: but that should be enough |
| 00:37.24 | asg | hatta: lsof should help you |
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| 00:37.58 | Snuggles2000 | peppe: Update it to recognize the new kernel? Or so it boots automatically into 2.6? |
| 00:38.21 | MadDwarf | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5793. result from http://channels.debian.net/paste/5793. |
| 00:38.23 | enouf | MadDwarf: dpkg -l | grep "nv*" |
| 00:38.30 | enouf | MadDwarf: dpkg -l | grep "nvidia*" |
| 00:38.40 | peppe | Snuggles2000: the first one for sure, the second is at your choice |
| 00:38.45 | enouf | second one ^^ |
| 00:38.47 | MadDwarf | phoenix:/# dpkg -l | grep "nvidia*" |
| 00:38.47 | MadDwarf | rc nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-11 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18 |
| 00:39.03 | peppe | hatta: asg: can it be also a file full of \0? I don't remember if df shows the *actual* used space on device |
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| 00:39.21 | Kronuz | azeem: nope, it says it can't find modules.dep |
| 00:39.27 | MadDwarf | peppe: result from dpkg -l nvidia-kernel\* | cat is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/5793. |
| 00:39.28 | Snuggles2000 | peppe: How would I accomplish the first one? |
| 00:39.36 | peppe | Snuggles2000: which bootloader do you use? |
| 00:39.40 | Snuggles2000 | GRUB |
| 00:39.50 | Kronuz | azeem: but the file is there :( |
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| 00:40.07 | enouf | MadDwarf: there's config files still there .. so aptitude --purge remove nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 .. that's the pkgname .. how the fsck the other name got in there .. dang! |
| 00:40.08 | peppe | Snuggles2000: then the update should be automatic, at reboot you should will have the new kernel choice |
| 00:40.16 | Snuggles2000 | Ahh okay. |
| 00:40.46 | hatta | ah that was it, some component of kde |
| 00:40.48 | Kronuz | azeem: says something like "couldn't find /lib/modules/2.6.18-host/modules.dep" |
| 00:40.58 | Kronuz | (but the file is there) |
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| 00:41.29 | enouf | MadDwarf: ahh .. look again at your pastebin .. the http://channels.debian.net/paste/5791 shows that the pkgname was totally truncated |
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| 00:42.08 | Snuggles2000 | Wow, somehow aptitude got removed...weird. |
| 00:42.10 | peppe | MadDwarf: enouf: apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 && dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg (and select "nvidia") should make it |
| 00:42.11 | enouf | MadDwarf: right where tjhere's a space between the '-' and the '1.0' |
| 00:42.41 | enouf | peppe: that's fine and can be done even once it;'s removed |
| 00:42.43 | MadDwarf | enouf: indeed there is |
| 00:43.16 | enouf | MadDwarf: that's why COLUMNS=200 is manadory sometimes ;-) |
| 00:43.35 | enouf | MadDwarf: I should've known better though |
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| 00:44.03 | MadDwarf | are we there yet? |
| 00:44.11 | enouf | MadDwarf: removed? |
| 00:44.19 | enouf | purged? |
| 00:44.26 | enouf | done! |
| 00:44.44 | enouf | I like my eggs over easy though ;-) |
| 00:44.57 | enouf | sometimes sunny-side up |
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| 00:44.58 | Snuggles2000 | peppe: So, aptitude wants to remove about 100 packages...would apt-get work instead? |
| 00:45.24 | MadDwarf | enouf: if you can ge this working, you can have your eggs however you like! ;o) |
| 00:45.36 | Kronuz | brb |
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| 00:46.22 | enouf | MadDwarf: okie now .. listen to peppe and bzed |
| 00:46.49 | MadDwarf | enouf: i don;t think that pkg is removed - don;t know tho |
| 00:47.06 | bzed | MadDwarf: paste this please: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | gerp nvidia |
| 00:47.10 | bzed | err |
| 00:47.13 | bzed | grep, nor gerp |
| 00:47.25 | enouf | I'll take my french toast deluxe w/eggs over easy, side of bacon (well done), side of sausage, whole-wheat toast and a grilled chees |
| 00:47.32 | MadDwarf | rc nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-11 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 00:47.46 | enouf | MadDwarf: ouch / still there |
| 00:48.33 | enouf | MadDwarf: only config files . might have something to do with your old /home |
| 00:48.34 | MadDwarf | aptitude --purge remove nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686, then COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | gerp nvidia and its still there |
| 00:48.56 | mfrisch | gerd it |
| 00:49.01 | mfrisch | gerp it |
| 00:49.01 | enouf | MadDwarf: do you understand? |
| 00:49.23 | enouf | I don;t want any pkg manager messing with /home .. do you? |
| 00:49.27 | MadDwarf | it may well be old config files. does this mean i can leave them? or must clean em up? |
| 00:49.46 | MadDwarf | i do;t know why i would or wouldn't want that, enou |
| 00:49.57 | enouf | MadDwarf: I'd look into cleaning them up ..or create a new user would be simplest ;-) |
| 00:50.16 | ole | how do I see the options my currently installed was compiled with? |
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| 00:50.22 | ole | *kernel |
| 00:50.41 | dustybin | BBC Computer 32K |
| 00:50.43 | enouf | MadDwarf: afain .. many others should know about this stuff .. I',m flying blind here |
| 00:50.51 | enouf | s/afain/again |
| 00:51.21 | dustybin | BBC Computer 32K |
| 00:51.21 | HostilePenguin | and what is -plow? |
| 00:51.34 | enouf | HostilePenguin: priority low |
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| 00:51.46 | MadDwarf | ok, i can set up a new user and start over with this |
| 00:51.48 | HostilePenguin | ty |
| 00:51.59 | enouf | MadDwarf: try that .. |
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| 00:52.14 | MadDwarf | i shall log this user out to avoid me gettgin confused |
| 00:52.15 | MadDwarf | brb |
| 00:52.21 | enouf | ok |
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| 00:52.40 | xptical | I have a FTP question...how do I create an ftp user that can upload and download to /var/www/site. right now, I have proftpd and when I ftp with username/password, I end up in the user's home directory. I'm on a SARGE system, btw... |
| 00:53.16 | Supaplex | yay more fun *grumble* no dev/console, then init dies on boot. http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/vmware/remote-manual-FC4-to-debian/grr%20no%20dev-console.png |
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| 00:53.55 | enouf | mfrisch: ?? oh yeah .. from earlier today .. No.. no boot flags on my hda are set |
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| 00:54.59 | MadDwarf | kk, fresh new user |
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| 00:56.03 | enouf | Supaplex: please give up on pivot_root ;-) |
| 00:56.03 | enouf | MadDwarf: you go girl! |
| 00:56.05 | MadDwarf | ;op |
| 00:56.05 | enouf | MadDwarf: just between us .. kk? |
| 00:56.08 | mfrisch | enouf: it shouldn't matter so much but technically it boots that unless your bios tells it different..I would have to change my harddisk boot order to boot the second disk, or in your case maybe its not set at all? |
| 00:57.06 | Supaplex | it's in the fscking initrd! |
| 00:57.14 | MadDwarf | so, should not need any more clean-up: can install new drivers now? |
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| 00:57.28 | enouf | mfrisch: there's definitely something funky with my disks as ms legacy OSes and ext'd win9x partitions casn make sewage out of fine wine .. right quick .. lol |
| 00:57.29 | Sazpaimon | alright, so I apt-get install python 2.4, then fix the symlinks, then when I try to install bittorrent, it's telling me that python2.3 is still installed and it needs python 2.4, which is installed |
| 00:57.34 | Sazpaimon | what am I missing? |
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| 00:58.22 | Sazpaimon | do i need to remove python 2.3? |
| 00:58.30 | mfrisch | enouf: multiboots are not new neither is two or more harddisks ;-) |
| 00:58.54 | enouf | Supaplex: so what? .. are you using mkinitrd or mkinitramfs .. and stop with the virtualization crap :-P |
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| 00:59.23 | mfrisch | Supaplex: I just droped initrd...I use xen |
| 00:59.40 | enouf | mfrisch: no shit ;-) .. but boot secotrs and xMBRs can fsck up even a wet dream |
| 00:59.46 | Supaplex | well I blame the stock debian kernel package then. |
| 00:59.57 | enouf | !slap MadDwarf |
| 01:00.28 | Supaplex | I'm only using qemu to see how it boots, because if I reboot this and it won't come back, I'm screwed. |
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| 01:01.23 | mfrisch | enouf: I literally just got done doing a /dev/urandom because after a zero it would not even install grub correctly |
| 01:01.45 | enouf | mfrisch: heh .. i hear ya |
| 01:02.11 | mfrisch | enouf: I did enough to it to warrent it |
| 01:02.23 | enouf | Supaplex: i understand that too .. just my frustration |
| 01:02.55 | mfrisch | Supaplex: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:03.07 | enouf | mfrisch: i have the uncanny ability (not unlike MadDwarf) to create my own personal bugs ;-) |
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| 01:04.03 | enouf | MadDwarf: ask peppe and bzed and others for guidance now .. or scroll up |
| 01:04.21 | mfrisch | enouf: me too |
| 01:04.22 | Supaplex | mfrisch: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 01:04.39 | MadDwarf | enouf: ok, thnx for your help |
| 01:05.06 | mfrisch | Supaplex: why did you do that! I didn |
| 01:05.18 | mfrisch | 't even know they made that still |
| 01:05.30 | enouf | MadDwarf: no prob .. just send me your women ;-) |
| 01:05.43 | enouf | MadDwarf: from earlier; |
| 01:05.44 | MadDwarf | LOL you'd only send 'em back! |
| 01:05.45 | enouf | [20:40:23] <peppe> MadDwarf: enouf: apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 && dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg (and select "nvidia") should make it |
| 01:05.48 | Supaplex | mfrisch: ? |
| 01:06.50 | bzed | MadDwarf: dpkg -P nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 01:06.57 | tvynr | MadDwarf: Still having video troubles? |
| 01:07.13 | MadDwarf | yes, still struggling |
| 01:07.17 | enouf | bzed: we created a new $USER |
| 01:07.20 | mfrisch | Supaplex: I think that makes it harder...do you want a debian chroot qemu image lvm container? |
| 01:07.21 | Supaplex | mfrisch: I don't have local access to the machine, that's why. :) |
| 01:07.41 | bzed | MadDwarf: after that, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 nvidia-glx nvidia-settings |
| 01:07.44 | bzed | enouf: hmm!? |
| 01:08.10 | mfrisch | Supaplex: its got a base installed right? |
| 01:08.25 | Supaplex | yes. FC4 |
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| 01:08.52 | enouf | bzed: there's an old /home that perhaps is the reason the "rc" is showing in a dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 01:09.06 | MAXDDARK | just installed debian ! |
| 01:09.13 | bzed | enouf: dpkg should not take care of old /home? |
| 01:09.18 | bzed | MAXDDARK: congrats :) |
| 01:09.21 | tvynr | MAXDDARK: Welcome. :) |
| 01:09.27 | mfrisch | Supaplex: so want do you want a debian install..or do you want a virtual machine on that? |
| 01:09.37 | MAXDDARK | were can I get the repros ? |
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| 01:09.52 | enouf | bzed: right .. whoch is why it won;t go away .. however thpose config settings will interject themselves into X |
| 01:10.00 | tvynr | MAXDDARK: Sorry... you want information on the repositories? What specifically do you need? |
| 01:10.01 | Supaplex | no virtual machine. I only use qemu to test booting w/o lossing control. qemu -snapshot emulates, but won't write changes to the source. |
| 01:10.30 | MAXDDARK | all of them |
| 01:10.30 | Supaplex | MAXDDARK: run apt-setup, or man 5 sources.list |
| 01:10.46 | MAXDDARK | yes - but what to add ? |
| 01:11.02 | MAXDDARK | for testing |
| 01:11.02 | MadDwarf | now i'm lost again |
| 01:11.05 | Supaplex | apt-setup will give you a list |
| 01:11.28 | enouf | bzed: do you want a pkg manager messing about in /home ? |
| 01:11.46 | bzed | enouf: uh!? I still dont; know what you really want to say with that /home |
| 01:11.52 | mfrisch | Supaplex: ok to test debian? not that I like rh but why not just create a dom1 for debian with their "great" xen support? |
| 01:12.04 | bzed | MadDwarf: what was the output of that? |
| 01:12.17 | enouf | bzed: don;t worry about it now .. MadDwarf has a spankin NEW user ;-) |
| 01:12.18 | Supaplex | mfrisch: as in debtakeover. flush FC4. |
| 01:12.29 | MAXDDARK | I just notice that some packages are very outdated even after "get update" ... like blender is version 0.37 but the latest is 0.43 |
| 01:12.30 | bzed | MAXDDARK: what did you isntall? etch? |
| 01:12.37 | MAXDDARK | etch |
| 01:12.44 | MadDwarf | bzed: one moemnt please |
| 01:12.48 | bzed | !tell MAXDDARK about etch |
| 01:12.56 | bzed | !tell MAXDDARK about testing |
| 01:12.59 | bzed | !tell MAXDDARK about unstable |
| 01:13.21 | enouf | bzed: /releases covers the gammut |
| 01:13.29 | enouf | :-) |
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| 01:13.29 | mfrisch | Supaplex: no leave it and use rh's support for xen, unless something happens when you reboot into the new kernel there should be no issues. |
| 01:13.31 | bzed | oh thanks enouf |
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| 01:13.54 | bzed | MAXDDARK: etch will be released soon, that means there won;t come any new packages in anymore |
| 01:13.59 | Supaplex | I don't know how to use xen :) |
| 01:14.18 | enouf | Supaplex: no you don't :-) |
| 01:14.20 | bzed | MAXDDARK: what you can do is open /etc/apt/sources.list in an editor and replace etch by testing |
| 01:14.43 | bzed | MAXDDARK: then you'll get all the new shiny, probably a bit unstable, stuff, as soon as etch is released |
| 01:14.48 | enouf | Supaplex: and i have no f'n clue either :-P |
| 01:15.21 | enouf | !cheesesteak me |
| 01:15.23 | bzed | MAXDDARK: you could use packages from unstable now, but I wouldn;t recommend that as unstable means unstable |
| 01:15.32 | enouf | thanks dpkg |
| 01:15.32 | mfrisch | Supaplex: its as easy as qemu..and you can use the work after..although you can mount a qemu .img You could mount the .img and then chroot into it to make changes. |
| 01:15.32 | dpkg | enouf: sure thing |
| 01:15.34 | bzed | !beer enouf |
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| 01:15.53 | bzed | MAXDDARK: but what you preobably wnat now.. is debian multimedia |
| 01:15.54 | Supaplex | what creates initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686-smp and why is /mnt/initrd not present in the image? (directory) |
| 01:15.57 | enouf | !vodka bzed |
| 01:16.02 | bzed | !tell MAXDDARK about debian-multimedia |
| 01:16.04 | BlueParrot | hi everyone, I have a connection which tends to drop once every 30 min or so ( crappy ISP ) is there any settings I could use for wget to make sure it will resume with the CD image properly ? |
| 01:16.16 | bzed | dpkg, thanks to you and enouf ! |
| 01:16.17 | dpkg | no problem, bzed |
| 01:16.24 | enouf | :-) |
| 01:16.38 | mfrisch | BlueParrot: there is resume in wget man wget |
| 01:16.47 | Supaplex | BlueParrot: are you fetching the netboot image? |
| 01:17.05 | BlueParrot | Supaplex: yea, I gave up getting a full CD image |
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| 01:17.47 | BlueParrot | mfrisch: I tried that but it just starts over from scratch |
| 01:17.47 | bzed | BlueParrot: I think -t 0 |
| 01:17.47 | MAXDDARK | ok, how do i get windows to open in single window ? |
| 01:17.47 | enouf | BlueParrot: wget has a resume option or whatever |
| 01:17.47 | bzed | BlueParrot: add -c then |
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| 01:17.47 | BlueParrot | ah ok, I'll try that |
| 01:17.47 | bzed | BlueParrot: -c -t 0 << something liek that. read man wget |
| 01:17.48 | Supaplex | !jigido |
| 01:17.53 | enouf | hah |
| 01:18.02 | enouf | jigdo |
| 01:18.07 | enouf | doh! |
| 01:18.11 | Supaplex | !jigdo |
| 01:18.12 | dpkg | jigdo is probably *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 01:18.12 | mfrisch | BlueParrot: well wget -r http:// will work if you are in the same pwd and the server supports it |
| 01:18.30 | enouf | !crown Supaplex |
| 01:18.42 | enouf | ok .. |
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| 01:18.49 | enouf | !pony Supaplex |
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| 01:19.26 | enouf | ride captain ride, upon your mystery ship |
| 01:19.36 | Supaplex | ewps. I killed the pony making a unicorn. :`( |
| 01:19.50 | enouf | Supaplex: rusty rebar eh? |
| 01:19.52 | MadDwarf | ok, back now |
| 01:20.04 | Supaplex | yup. I guess I'll feed it to the dogs. |
| 01:20.29 | BlueParrot | oh , yea it seems to work now : ) |
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| 01:21.22 | MadDwarf | back to start, i hope: i am trying to get 3D drivers working for my NVidia 6600. several days so far. can anyone help? |
| 01:21.36 | acu | how to install digest and pgcrypto.sql for postgresql8.1 in debian etch ? |
| 01:21.41 | MAXDDARK | other very important question - how do i install my ATI videocard ? |
| 01:22.05 | mfrisch | very carefulley |
| 01:22.06 | MAXDDARK | with property drivers |
| 01:22.08 | xptical | is there any problem with moving /var/www to /home/user/www and then chowning the dir to user:user? |
| 01:22.22 | iamtheric | try it |
| 01:22.48 | Supaplex | xptical: why not symlink it back and chown /var/www? |
| 01:23.07 | Supaplex | xptical: not really, but you'll have to fix up apache's config. |
| 01:23.15 | xptical | because then when I click the symlink in my ftp client, it says it can't go there |
| 01:23.19 | Miles_Prower | At one time I stupidly told xfce to keep my session. Now ever time i start it, a text editor, GAIM, and some other apps start up. How do i manage those/remove them? |
| 01:23.26 | xptical | yeah, done that already |
| 01:23.34 | xptical | i mena, i'm displaying the site now |
| 01:23.43 | xptical | so I guess it works okay |
| 01:23.59 | xptical | I just wanted to know if it would cause some major problem later on |
| 01:24.28 | MAXDDARK | can you help me please ? |
| 01:24.51 | xptical | Now I just need to work on a backup script for tarring the directories and dumping the databases.... |
| 01:24.55 | acu | can anyone tell me how to enable "digest"procedure for postgreSQL in Debian Etch ? |
| 01:25.21 | MadDwarf | brb |
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| 01:25.58 | enouf | MAXDDARK: i really don;t know .. but perhaps this can help http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html |
| 01:26.04 | BlueParrot | my download reached 20% new record \o/ |
| 01:26.41 | enouf | !win BlueParrot |
| 01:26.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, BlueParrot! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 01:26.46 | mfrisch | MAXDDARK: I know you should use module-assistant for the kern mod |
| 01:27.50 | enouf | module-assistant is used in that tut |
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| 01:28.20 | mfrisch | enouf: I think there is a one-liner blurb |
| 01:28.42 | enouf | mfrisch: find it! |
| 01:29.01 | Supaplex | !lart initrd+pivot_root symantics in /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 01:29.15 | Supaplex | yay. |
| 01:29.21 | enouf | mfrisch: it's a short , straight forward tut anyways |
| 01:29.22 | MadDwarf | ok back again. big mug of tea, new pack of smokes, trusty reprogramming axe ... how the heck do i get these nvidia drivers working? |
| 01:29.36 | mfrisch | enouf: man I wouldn't buy a ati..whats it called fg something. |
| 01:29.41 | enouf | Supaplex: rofl |
| 01:29.42 | Supaplex | MadDwarf: did you install anything for it yet? |
| 01:29.56 | MadDwarf | Supaplex: in the last 5 minutes, or the last 5 days? |
| 01:30.01 | MadDwarf | i've spent all week on this |
| 01:30.07 | Supaplex | ever |
| 01:30.09 | enouf | mfrisch: fglrx or some kind of elixir |
| 01:30.27 | Supaplex | MadDwarf: ok. did you ever install any non debian nvida runtime? |
| 01:30.32 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: my I wouldn't be advertising that ;-) |
| 01:30.37 | Supaplex | nvidia* |
| 01:30.37 | simonrvn | something wrong with experimental? |
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| 01:30.52 | enouf | Supaplex: 2.6.8-3-686 ? .. oh dear |
| 01:31.12 | MadDwarf | Supaplex: so far with todays install, i have only used drivers from the debian repositories |
| 01:31.15 | MadDwarf | i think |
| 01:31.15 | Supaplex | enouf: ... oh dear? |
| 01:31.27 | simonrvn | no, .. oh dear |
| 01:31.30 | mfrisch | OOHH |
| 01:31.32 | enouf | Supaplex: yes ,, are you using cramfs? |
| 01:31.46 | Supaplex | MadDwarf: ok. if you previously installing something from nvidia.com, it could get tricky cleaning up after it. |
| 01:31.54 | Supaplex | enouf: this initrd is. |
| 01:31.58 | MadDwarf | Supaplex: yes, hence todays reinstall |
| 01:32.09 | Supaplex | MadDwarf: from scratch? |
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| 01:32.23 | MadDwarf | i kept /home, but have created a new user |
| 01:32.23 | enouf | okie .. Supaplex .. not sure .. |
| 01:32.26 | r3m | Hi, where we set the gateway adress |
| 01:32.29 | r3m | and the dns |
| 01:32.29 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: did you zero your drive in between? |
| 01:32.48 | MadDwarf | mfi_: i wiped my / partition, kept /home, and have created a new user |
| 01:32.50 | enouf | mfrisch: stop |
| 01:32.53 | Supaplex | r3m: /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces (man pages abound) |
| 01:32.59 | r3m | thanks |
| 01:33.27 | r3m | Supaplex where is the file for order |
| 01:33.29 | r3m | host dns |
| 01:33.34 | r3m | what* |
| 01:33.39 | enouf | MadDwarf: have you looked over the wiki.debian.org info? |
| 01:33.52 | Supaplex | r3m: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 01:34.18 | MadDwarf | enouf: no, not looked at that wiki yet |
| 01:34.26 | enouf | .. and drunk ;-) |
| 01:34.34 | xptical | can I drop the MYSQK test database? |
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| 01:34.42 | xptical | can I drop the MYSQL test database? |
| 01:34.44 | xptical | sry |
| 01:34.59 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: whats wrong with the debs? |
| 01:35.23 | MadDwarf | mfrisch: i do not know. all i know is when i try to install 3D drivers, it does not work |
| 01:35.30 | Supaplex | xptical: afaik it's not suggested. confirm with the mysql folks/channel. |
| 01:35.37 | xptical | kk |
| 01:35.40 | enouf | great ... a /msg dpkg listvals nvidia lists 15 of 77 .. nice |
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| 01:35.48 | Supaplex | xptical: dropping all the tables in that db is fine though. |
| 01:36.02 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: what are you running etch + has nvidia in non-free contrib |
| 01:36.18 | xptical | no tables found in database... |
| 01:36.22 | xptical | so it's all good |
| 01:36.49 | MadDwarf | mfrisch: i am running Etch, and have contrib non-free in my sources.lis |
| 01:36.52 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.10 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: unless you have a new a great card these should work fine.. |
| 01:37.21 | mfrisch | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:37.21 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:37.27 | MadDwarf | mfrisch: i have a geforce6600, not new |
| 01:37.33 | enouf | MadDwarf: do the nvidia one-liner as your new user |
| 01:37.38 | MadDwarf | not ouching that code with your 10' pole |
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| 01:37.56 | enouf | MadDwarf: copy and paste |
| 01:38.31 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: as root from above skip the first step and run aptitude and search for a nvidia kernel |
| 01:38.37 | enouf | MadDwarf: just make sure you have one space in between line-wrapping only |
| 01:38.53 | MadDwarf | wait pls |
| 01:39.06 | MadDwarf | skip the 1st step? |
| 01:39.09 | mfrisch | enouf: he wants to use the the debs he can use ma but doesn't "need" to |
| 01:39.12 | MadDwarf | what one-space? |
| 01:39.52 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: the first step makes the deb for nvidia you can use debians or build one with module assistant |
| 01:40.04 | enouf | mfrisch: if you know how, and what .. take it away .. if not plz stop |
| 01:40.08 | MadDwarf | th eupdate pciids? |
| 01:40.08 | BlueParrot | ok, I'm giving up on this... time to go visit a slightly better connection :P |
| 01:40.55 | mfrisch | enouf: yeah he should build the deb debian just makes things for kicks |
| 01:40.59 | BlueParrot | university with liberal user conditions ftw : ) |
| 01:41.12 | MadDwarf | mfrisch: you want me to skip the update pciids? |
| 01:41.45 | enouf | MadDwarf: run the one-liner .. as is .. as your new user |
| 01:42.03 | MadDwarf | as user? not as root? |
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| 01:42.27 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: do this after installing the debs from debian for the module. apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:42.27 | enouf | MadDwarf: update-pciids doesn;t hurt anything |
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| 01:43.12 | enouf | MadDwarf: as sudo/su -/ or root |
| 01:43.14 | MadDwarf | mfrisch: "after installing the debs from debian for the module." ... sorry, i fail at 1st hurdle ... what is this? |
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| 01:45.16 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: there is a debian deb for the nvidia kernel module on the mirrors...module-assistant builds one for you. Do whatever works. |
| 01:46.18 | MadDwarf | mfrisch: i do not know what works. i do not know what to look for. sorry for sounding n00b, but i am n00b |
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| 01:50.37 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: just type: aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 && aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules Then you need to configure your X conf. |
| 01:51.00 | MadDwarf | amd64? |
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| 01:51.30 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: I just saw that drop that...put i686 or whatever |
| 01:51.47 | MadDwarf | i do not know "whatever". my CPU is a Pentium4 3GHz |
| 01:52.32 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: i686 |
| 01:52.58 | enouf | MadDwarf: you would use nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 01:53.17 | lunitik | enouf: if he's using Sid.... doubt he's using Sid |
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| 01:53.27 | lunitik | At least I hope not |
| 01:53.36 | MadDwarf | lunitik: i am using etch |
| 01:53.38 | enouf | lunitik: plz jump in and no .. only etch repos |
| 01:53.38 | mfrisch | lunitik: good point |
| 01:54.01 | lunitik | ahh... I thought newest in etch was 2.6.16... I'll shut up |
| 01:54.10 | mfrisch | is it 2.6.17? |
| 01:54.15 | enouf | !info nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 etch |
| 01:54.18 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686: (NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-4-686), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776+6 (etch), Packaged size: 1578 kB, Installed size: 5084 kB |
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| 01:54.24 | r3m | how to restart networking ? /usr/network restart |
| 01:54.26 | r3m | something |
| 01:54.37 | lunitik | r3m: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:54.41 | r3m | thanks! |
| 01:55.30 | MadDwarf | i have run that line (aptitude install nv ... blah blah ... >> etc/modules |
| 01:55.30 | enouf | nv what? |
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| 01:55.31 | DawnLight | hello |
| 01:55.31 | MadDwarf | <mfrisch> MadDwarf: just type: aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 && aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules Then you need to configure your X conf. |
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| 01:55.43 | MadDwarf | only i swapped amd64 for i686 |
| 01:55.43 | enouf | not amd 64 dammiot |
| 01:55.50 | enouf | no no |
| 01:55.56 | enouf | MadDwarf: you would use nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 01:56.24 | MadDwarf | 686 or i686? |
| 01:56.28 | lunitik | !nvidia |
| 01:56.28 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
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| 01:58.46 | enouf | MadDwarf: cat /proc/version says? |
| 01:59.01 | MadDwarf | phoenix:/home/george# cat proc/version |
| 01:59.01 | MadDwarf | cat: proc/version: No such file or directory |
| 01:59.02 | MadDwarf | phoenix:/home/george# |
| 01:59.14 | enouf | MadDwarf: cat /proc/version says? |
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| 01:59.37 | MadDwarf | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-11) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed Feb 21 16:06:54 UTC 2007 |
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| 01:59.52 | enouf | okie .. thanks |
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| 02:01.21 | Bluhd | O |
| 02:01.25 | enouf | now .. do the dang one-liner already |
| 02:01.26 | Bluhd | crap |
| 02:01.28 | Bluhd | anyway |
| 02:01.37 | enouf | MadDwarf: ^^ |
| 02:01.55 | Bluhd | Anyone feel like joining another channel? runtime and I are looking for idlers/chatters to join ##music |
| 02:01.55 | MadDwarf | enouf: doing now |
| 02:02.05 | enouf | no bl |
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| 02:02.13 | enouf | blu |
| 02:02.17 | Bluhd | BLU! |
| 02:02.22 | enouf | Bluhd: |
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| 02:02.40 | enouf | heh |
| 02:02.43 | glick | excuse me is there any way i can build a kernel with the config of my current running kernel? |
| 02:02.44 | Bluhd | or not |
| 02:03.08 | enouf | glick: make oldconfig |
| 02:03.18 | glick | thaks enouf |
| 02:03.29 | MadDwarf | ok, have run oneliner |
| 02:03.43 | enouf | and? |
| 02:03.49 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: run lsmod|grep nv |
| 02:04.01 | MadDwarf | enouf: it ran .. i configured X |
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| 02:04.36 | enouf | nv is the xorg driver .. nvidia is thre prprietaery blob driver |
| 02:04.40 | MadDwarf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.49 | mfrisch | enouf: your a moron |
| 02:05.01 | MadDwarf | 'nv' driver borks my display from here to sundown |
| 02:05.10 | enouf | mfrisch: if you can tell me why .. i may concede |
| 02:05.29 | glick | and to build my kernel i just do 'make' in the directory? |
| 02:05.41 | enouf | MadDwarf: screw the nv driver you don;t want it |
| 02:05.43 | rue_house | heh alot of ubuntu questions I gather, hah, flavor of the day |
| 02:05.47 | mfrisch | enouf: you jumpon every thing I do..I trying to help him |
| 02:06.00 | ShakaGoldSaint | hi there, i'm trying to get ndiswrapper to work on etch amd64, ndiswrapper -l says 'hardware present, driver installed' and dmesg shows no warnings, but the wireless adapter doesn't appear anywhere, any suggestions? |
| 02:06.08 | enouf | mfrisch: otherwise i'll have to penixstrike you |
| 02:06.09 | MadDwarf | mfrisch: enouf has been helping me all evening |
| 02:06.10 | mfrisch | glick: use make-kpkg |
| 02:06.41 | mfrisch | enouf: chill |
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| 02:06.53 | DawnLight | alt+shift switches grps for me only if i have hebrew as primary layout and english as secondary and hebrew has the "include latin layout" (don't know what that does) marked. when i reverse the order and put english as primary layout like i want, alt+shift stops working and doesn't do anything. note that switching by ckicking on the tray icon works. i'm using kde control center to set xkb like "setxkbmap -option |
| 02:06.54 | DawnLight | grp_led:scroll,grp:alt_shift_toggle". help? |
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| 02:07.09 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: restart X and see if it worked then... |
| 02:07.14 | MadDwarf | ok brb |
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| 02:07.22 | glick | sweet thanks mfrisch |
| 02:07.47 | enouf | MadDwarf: grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 02:08.04 | enouf | bah |
| 02:08.47 | r3m | what is the package to get iwconfig |
| 02:08.59 | mfrisch | enouf: if it didn't work its because of that..he said he changed it. He should plow x |
| 02:09.17 | enouf | !tell r3m about search |
| 02:09.19 | bknitram | r3m: wireless-tools I think. |
| 02:09.39 | george | ok, tried running nexuiz 3D game ... runs, but like molasses |
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| 02:10.32 | enouf | yep .. wireless-tools: /sbin/iwconfig |
| 02:10.37 | mfrisch | george: it uses alot of 3d and if you are not using 3d acceleration it will be slow |
| 02:10.54 | MadDwarf | mfrisch: i need to have 3D working |
| 02:11.01 | enouf | georgie girl ;-) |
| 02:11.06 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: did it work? |
| 02:11.13 | enouf | MadDwarf: grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 02:11.47 | MadDwarf | drivers: kbd, mouse, 'nvidia' |
| 02:11.54 | enouf | cool |
| 02:12.06 | MadDwarf | the 3D runs, but like molasses - not usable |
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| 02:12.25 | enouf | MadDwarf: now for tweaking |
| 02:13.56 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: did it work? you will see a nvidia boot screen when X starts if it worked |
| 02:13.56 | enouf | MadDwarf: not my forte |
| 02:13.58 | MadDwarf | i did not notice a nvidia splashscreen |
| 02:13.58 | enouf | MadDwarf: havr you had working but slow before ? |
| 02:13.59 | MadDwarf | enouf: no, i have had working, and not working before |
| 02:14.00 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: then its not working... |
| 02:14.00 | enouf | heh |
| 02:14.00 | enouf | good and bad? |
| 02:14.01 | enouf | time for the fugly? |
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| 02:14.01 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: there is a nvidia service in /etc/init.d/ you may need to restart it |
| 02:14.28 | mfrisch | enouf: what Are you drinking? |
| 02:14.49 | MadDwarf | mfrisch: sorry, that is a little advanced for me |
| 02:15.01 | TomyLobo | "apt-get update" always hangs at "99% [Connecting to security.debian.org (128.101.240.212)]" what is wrong? |
| 02:15.05 | Supaplex | mfrisch: I think enouf's on PCP |
| 02:15.19 | enouf | PiPe! |
| 02:15.26 | mfrisch | Supaplex: he's not himself tonight ;-) |
| 02:15.53 | enouf | !blow me |
| 02:15.59 | enouf | thanks dpkg |
| 02:16.00 | dpkg | gern geschehen, enouf |
| 02:16.21 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: ok for the sake of simplicity just restart the box.. and make sure to watch for the nvidia screen |
| 02:16.28 | MadDwarf | ok, brb |
| 02:16.54 | enouf | MadDwarf: this is NOT Redmond .. no need to rebboot incessantly .. praying for a riunning OS |
| 02:17.02 | enouf | bitch! |
| 02:17.11 | enouf | !bitchslap mfrisch |
| 02:17.41 | mfrisch | enouf: I tried to get him to restart the service first. |
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| 02:18.16 | penguin | I downloaded the installer and it didnt find my card? |
| 02:18.41 | penguin | What to do if the installer does not recognize your internet card? |
| 02:19.20 | mfrisch | penguin: what card is it...old or new? inbetween is usually better |
| 02:19.35 | penguin | Probably very new |
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| 02:19.49 | mfrisch | penguin: like giga or something? |
| 02:19.51 | penguin | But an old Knoppix CD found the network |
| 02:20.05 | penguin | Asus M2n-e board. |
| 02:20.16 | mfrisch | penguin: what installer are you using? |
| 02:20.56 | penguin | The one for the USB-stick |
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| 02:21.13 | penguin | Except I ended up installing the installer on my HDD |
| 02:21.46 | mfrisch | penguin: I never used it...no cdrom? |
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| 02:23.04 | penguin | I dont have a CDROM Burner at home |
| 02:23.27 | penguin | boot.img.gz |
| 02:23.42 | penguin | Im downloading a cdrom image now |
| 02:24.06 | penguin | netinstall for stable |
| 02:24.10 | mfrisch | penguin: I don't think you got it all...the flash installer takes some perparing before use. |
| 02:24.11 | penguin | i386 |
| 02:24.35 | penguin | It booted up and gave me a menu |
| 02:24.47 | penguin | Maybe that is it. |
| 02:24.58 | penguin | WHat kind of preparing? |
| 02:25.02 | mfrisch | penguin: yeah you have the kernel. |
| 02:26.01 | mfrisch | penguin: there is a howto. Its on the debian installer page |
| 02:26.01 | penguin | My Knoppix disk does not find my right video card, so it was hard as hell to see the web page |
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| 02:26.27 | mfrisch | use the virtual console lynx if it got it |
| 02:26.44 | penguin | Text mode sucks also |
| 02:27.06 | mfrisch | penguin: I got a newer cd recentally for ubuntu and it works ok..but stuff gets messed up |
| 02:27.28 | penguin | ubuntu will take 4 hours to download |
| 02:27.46 | enouf | penguin: older knoppix cds .. a kxconfig would allow you to alter the res/settings |
| 02:28.00 | mfrisch | penguin: change the vga mode or fb settings at boot |
| 02:28.20 | penguin | I have to run noapic at boot or it wont boot |
| 02:28.29 | penguin | How to run more options. |
| 02:28.51 | penguin | kxconfig at prompt? |
| 02:29.16 | mfrisch | no |
| 02:29.21 | enouf | after booted .. on a tty |
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| 02:29.31 | MadDwarf | well, that was fun |
| 02:29.39 | enouf | heh |
| 02:29.51 | mfrisch | run through the functions keys before you boot it will tell you how to set fb settings |
| 02:30.08 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: damm I though I got rid of you.. |
| 02:30.09 | MadDwarf | i am now gettgin uncorrectable seek errors on my hdd |
| 02:30.15 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: did it work? |
| 02:30.18 | penguin | How do you find where the USB stick is attached? |
| 02:30.36 | mfrisch | penguin: /dev/sdX |
| 02:30.58 | MadDwarf | i cannot boot debian ... it gets to loading hald, and hits unrecoverable seek erros "hda: dma initr: error 0x40" |
| 02:31.03 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: how old is the drive |
| 02:31.07 | enouf | dmesg or lshal | grep block.device |
| 02:31.18 | penguin | I did cat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda and it wrote to the HDD |
| 02:31.19 | MadDwarf | 2001 |
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| 02:31.43 | mfrisch | penguin: I don't think thats all it takes ;-) |
| 02:31.44 | MadDwarf | 5 1/2 yrs old |
| 02:31.46 | penguin | zcat rather |
| 02:31.53 | enouf | MadDwarf: shutdown -rF |
| 02:32.03 | MadDwarf | enouf i cannot start up |
| 02:32.13 | BlueParrot | penguin: uhm, surely you want to unpack teh archive first ? |
| 02:32.24 | BlueParrot | oh nvm ... |
| 02:32.28 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: how many times did you "reinstall" this week? |
| 02:32.36 | penguin | U are right |
| 02:32.40 | MadDwarf | only on e reinstall this week |
| 02:32.42 | enouf | MadDwarf: try single mode afain |
| 02:32.51 | enouf | again |
| 02:32.51 | linux2 | (EE) fglrx(0): GART is not initialized, disabling DRI |
| 02:32.54 | linux2 | anyone know how to fix that |
| 02:33.09 | linux2 | i had my ATI card working in debian but now i get that error after i did a reinstall of the OS |
| 02:33.19 | linux2 | i don't know what GART is, anyone here know? |
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| 02:33.47 | MadDwarf | and if single-user mode doesn't work? |
| 02:33.56 | enouf | graphic allocation runtime table |
| 02:34.03 | penguin | OH I see it needs the iso image |
| 02:34.09 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: you have a live cd? |
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| 02:34.19 | penguin | is /dev/sda the hdd? |
| 02:34.45 | mfrisch | penguin: could be |
| 02:34.47 | MadDwarf | several live Cds .. but Ubuntu loads default 'nv' drivers .. leading to borked display - old Slax live cd might still work |
| 02:35.17 | amphi | linux2: Graphics Address Remapping Table, as the intertubes could easily tell you |
| 02:35.25 | enouf | MadDwarf: your HDD seems screwed . rin Manu |
| 02:35.29 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: try to fsck the filesystems on your system manualy through the live-cd |
| 02:35.39 | linux2 | amphi: how do i get it to work? |
| 02:35.47 | enouf | ewr run Manu diagnostics |
| 02:35.53 | linux2 | amphi: i have been fidding with it for a bit with no sucess |
| 02:35.59 | penguin | It wouldnt boot from the USB stick, but maybe that is because I did zcat boot.img.gz in user mode |
| 02:36.01 | MadDwarf | i'll see if i can get a live cd working. brb |
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| 02:36.13 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: wait |
| 02:36.13 | amphi | linux2: with a hammer? ;) |
| 02:36.17 | MadDwarf | waiting |
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| 02:36.34 | amphi | linux2: I have no idea, as you are using a proprietary driver |
| 02:36.49 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: have you ever seen these before? have you ever done a wipe of the drive? |
| 02:37.03 | penguin | If you zcat > /dev/deviceDontExist will Linux complain? |
| 02:37.20 | MadDwarf | mfrisch i have wiped the drive several times before. this is the 1st time i have seen this message |
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| 02:37.59 | amphi | linux2: here I have agpgart, intel_agp, drm, and radeon kernel modules loaded |
| 02:38.01 | linux2 | amphi: yeah i am using the ATI one |
| 02:38.06 | penguin | I assume there is no problem using the HDD for netinstall? |
| 02:38.11 | linux2 | well whats weird is it worked before |
| 02:38.15 | linux2 | with the exact same kernel |
| 02:38.16 | amphi | linux2: but I'm using the xorg driver |
| 02:38.31 | linux2 | all i did was reformat and reinstall debian and now this weird error |
| 02:38.47 | enouf | heh free? how dare you |
| 02:39.00 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: there usually is some time before the errors become show stopping, wiped with what? I just had to do a cat /dev/urandom >/dev/sda on mine and it fixed alot of issues I had. this is time consuming |
| 02:39.28 | MadDwarf | last wipe or two was with debian installer |
| 02:39.57 | penguin | Sounds like netintall from HDD is not such a great idea |
| 02:40.00 | enouf | MadDwarf: your PSU could even be bad .. |
| 02:40.01 | MadDwarf | its pretty show stopping right now - does not complete booting |
| 02:40.18 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: I don't think that counts...unless you used the crypt disk. |
| 02:40.48 | Supaplex | mfrisch: /dev/zero is just as effective, isn't it? |
| 02:40.48 | MadDwarf | mfrisch never heard of crypt disk |
| 02:41.01 | linux2 | amphi: well im not able to load the module drm |
| 02:41.06 | Supaplex | besides, /dev/urandom takes kernel time. |
| 02:41.12 | linux2 | amphi: it says it can't allocate the memory |
| 02:41.16 | penguin | My suggestion is boot from CDrom and do a zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/yourharddisk and see if it boots. |
| 02:41.20 | r3m | any good network monitor |
| 02:41.25 | enouf | but actually since nvidia is boinking you royally every time .. i blame it on bad ram |
| 02:41.39 | mfrisch | Supaplex: I thought so...untill I did one a couple of days ago. Grub wouldn't even install on a base install. urandom worky worky |
| 02:41.39 | amphi | linux2: I have no idea how fglrx works - it probably has its own revolting modules |
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| 02:41.47 | enouf | r3m: ntop |
| 02:41.54 | amphi | r3m: iptraf? |
| 02:42.04 | amphi | r3m: etherape? ;) |
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| 02:42.27 | Supaplex | mfrisch: the first few mb should be plenty most times. :) |
| 02:42.31 | enouf | monkeyOS ;-P |
| 02:43.14 | MadDwarf | gonna try slax |
| 02:43.23 | mfrisch | Supaplex: I am a fool who got evms to work...somehow its metadata is pretty presistent |
| 02:43.41 | penguin | That command was kxconfig? |
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| 02:43.49 | chronographer | hi all I installed a fresh debian etch n my lappy and now i have hd problems... most of the time it boots up until it gets to "Waiting for root filesystem" and then loads ramdisk... sometimes it works fine. I tried to partition it again, for a reinstall and gparted couldn't see the hard drive. |
| 02:44.03 | enouf | penguin: for 3.6 |
| 02:44.05 | chronographer | How can i make the darn thing seee its hard drive all the time again? |
| 02:44.16 | penguin | How to find where USB port is mapped? |
| 02:44.26 | enouf | dmesg or lshal | grep block.device |
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| 02:45.00 | mfrisch | MadDwarf: there are diagnostic cds that have memtest++ and you should do a better wipe..whatever it is..and if it still like that its the harddrive |
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| 02:45.14 | enouf | dmesg | grep -i sd |
| 02:45.40 | penguin | my hard drive is an sd |
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| 02:45.50 | cusco | if usb, yes |
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| 02:46.00 | cusco | hello |
| 02:46.00 | enouf | debain boot cds have memtest |
| 02:46.01 | cusco | :p |
| 02:46.04 | enouf | 86+ |
| 02:46.10 | mfrisch | Supaplex: whats crazy is I did that stupid dariks boot and nuke in between the zero and the random. It was like I didn't even do anything |
| 02:46.14 | Kronuz | hey, what can I use to display and edit mng files? |
| 02:46.38 | enouf | mng? mangler? |
| 02:46.58 | cusco | mfrisch: all that does is write 0's and 1's |
| 02:47.00 | cusco | like shred |
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| 02:47.33 | Kronuz | enouf: what's mangler? |
| 02:47.33 | mfrisch | cusco: yeah I know now! |
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| 02:47.48 | enouf | cusco: all any util can do .. otherwise randomize the data written where |
| 02:47.49 | cusco | what did you thought it was? |
| 02:48.01 | erpo | Are eSATA drives hot pluggable? |
| 02:48.03 | MadDwarf | single-user mode debian has booted 8o) |
| 02:48.04 | r3m | is there a resume function for APT |
| 02:48.06 | Kronuz | enouf: or you meant just a mng mangler? |
| 02:48.10 | Kronuz | :P |
| 02:48.11 | enouf | mng? Kronuz ? |
| 02:48.22 | enouf | yes ;-) |
| 02:48.43 | penguin | So how to distinguish between hdd and usb device in the /dev directory? |
| 02:48.49 | nedved | dont vote - it only encourages them! |
| 02:48.59 | enouf | MadDwarf: tolc ya |
| 02:49.03 | Kronuz | enouf: it's the multiple images png format |
| 02:49.08 | enouf | er told |
| 02:49.16 | Kronuz | but I don't know how to create those or modify them |
| 02:49.17 | cusco | penguin: not in the /dev usb device uses scsi emulation.. so you might want to check with dmesg |
| 02:49.24 | r3m | is there a resume function for APT |
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| 02:49.32 | cusco | r3m: ain't that built in? |
| 02:49.36 | cusco | why do you ask? |
| 02:49.37 | r3m | dunno |
| 02:49.39 | mfrisch | enouf: goodnight |
| 02:49.43 | MadDwarf | happy dreams enouf . thnx for all the help |
| 02:49.51 | penguin | So stick the USB stick on before you boot? |
| 02:50.00 | cusco | r3m: I think thats default |
| 02:50.14 | mfrisch | penguin: no. its hotpluggable |
| 02:50.36 | amphi | penguin: when you insert, you should see some blather about it in syslog |
| 02:50.39 | penguin | I thought dmesg was boot messages? |
| 02:50.40 | cusco | sorry penguin what exactly are you doing? |
| 02:51.02 | penguin | I am trying to install Debian. |
| 02:51.19 | cusco | ok. |
| 02:51.33 | r3m | cusco i confirm its defaut thanks |
| 02:51.36 | r3m | ;) |
| 02:51.38 | cusco | r3m: :P |
| 02:51.39 | penguin | I have working Knoppix disk and no burner |
| 02:51.40 | mfrisch | cusco: no burner |
| 02:51.56 | cusco | ouch |
| 02:52.01 | cusco | debootstrap? |
| 02:52.20 | penguin | USB boot |
| 02:52.25 | mfrisch | cusco: you used the usb image..I though you had to do something to get it to work. |
| 02:52.52 | cusco | i did not! |
| 02:53.06 | cusco | can your machine boot from usb? |
| 02:53.11 | mfrisch | penguin: debootstrap may be better in the long run...you will need to set up some for it to work correctly |
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| 02:53.49 | penguin | I thought I was putting the netinstall on the USB stick but I put it on the HDD |
| 02:53.59 | cusco | lol |
| 02:53.59 | mfrisch | penguin: and knoppix has debootstrap |
| 02:54.04 | penguin | and it booted from the HDD |
| 02:54.18 | cusco | penguin: whats wrong with booting from the hdd? |
| 02:54.21 | lewis2 | I am getting an '500 - Internal Server Error' with apache2.2 when trying to do a simple .htaccess/.htpasswd. There is no error in /var/log/apache/error.log - any ideas? |
| 02:54.37 | penguin | IS there a problem with netinstall from the HDD? |
| 02:54.41 | cusco | lewis2: there *must* be an error |
| 02:54.55 | cusco | maybe you defined the error log somewere else or on a vhost? |
| 02:55.04 | mfrisch | lewis2: did you restart apache after adding the files |
| 02:55.31 | cusco | penguin: no, as long as you can boot from it |
| 02:55.39 | cusco | or boot it |
| 02:55.48 | penguin | I think I'll do that then |
| 02:55.57 | cusco | yea :) |
| 02:56.04 | mfrisch | penguin: thats harder than it sounds |
| 02:56.14 | cusco | I just dunno how to setpu a netinstall on the hdd |
| 02:56.32 | penguin | The same as a USB stick? |
| 02:56.33 | lewis2 | mfrisch: I believe so, will try again now |
| 02:56.38 | penguin | I only have one HDD |
| 02:56.40 | cusco | I dunno how to |
| 02:57.17 | cusco | penguin: from the knoppix I would use debootstrap |
| 02:57.18 | mfrisch | cusco: you could loop it and copy it to a hard drive..install or use a bootloader and off you go...debootstap is for fools |
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| 02:57.48 | etrask | would a bootdisk made on x86 Debian 3.1 work on an AMD64 Etch machine? |
| 02:57.53 | penguin | If this kxconfig command will work |
| 02:58.01 | rpc | is there a way to stop kernel from killing my apps lol? it says out of mem and kills what it wants to |
| 02:58.12 | mfrisch | etrask: if you want x86 it will work. |
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| 02:58.27 | GreaseMonkey | rpc: what's the app that's sucking the most memory? |
| 02:58.41 | GreaseMonkey | if it ain't critical, kill -9 pid it |
| 02:58.41 | etrask | I dual boot on here (AMD64) but am going to nuke windows and start it over... thing is, the boot record is on that drive |
| 02:58.57 | etrask | (and I really need to wipe that whole drive, it's got a trojan) |
| 02:59.06 | rpc | GreaseMonkey well kernel chose the two using most mem but still they weren't using more than 75% of available one |
| 02:59.17 | etrask | and mkbootdisk doesn't work on AMD64 apparently |
| 02:59.28 | rpc | i really want to protect them.. any way to ban kernel from killing those? |
| 02:59.32 | cusco | etrask: if the amd64 is x86_64 yes |
| 02:59.39 | mfrisch | etrask: install amd-64 use qemu for windows set up the partions how you want. |
| 03:00.12 | cusco | mfrisch: I thought about that.. its just I never tried it... would you be able to boot? |
| 03:01.01 | mfrisch | cusco: what x86 on amd? sure. |
| 03:01.03 | GreaseMonkey | i actually have to use linux seeing as my hard-disk is a little dodgy, and i NEED a reliable OS |
| 03:01.14 | GreaseMonkey | and i survive quite nicely |
| 03:01.21 | cusco | mfrisch: have you looped a netinstall on your hd? |
| 03:01.26 | penguin | OK I am printing debootstrap, I hope kxconfig will work. |
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| 03:01.51 | BlueParrot | is something more anoying than downloading a 635 iso and then have the checksum fail ? |
| 03:01.59 | BlueParrot | god I hate my isp ... |
| 03:02.17 | mfrisch | cusco: oh that no I don't have that much time to waste ;-) but being able to do something and if its feesable are two different things |
| 03:02.18 | rpc | BlueParrot could be few last bytes missing.. check filelength |
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| 03:02.48 | mfrisch | BlueParrot: who is it? |
| 03:02.57 | cusco | right :p |
| 03:03.33 | BlueParrot | mfrisch: some minor company called purple-squared some sort of sublicensed company of BT |
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| 03:03.45 | mfrisch | cusco: I guess it would save isos |
| 03:03.51 | mfrisch | cusco: I guess it would save cds |
| 03:03.53 | BlueParrot | not my decision... landlord included it in rent ... |
| 03:04.07 | cusco | mfrisch: yea.. I see your point |
| 03:04.29 | cusco | use grub to load the initrd and the vmlinuz ... I never done that |
| 03:04.44 | mfrisch | BlueParrot: why haven't you just used the netinstall cd. You have a chance then. |
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| 03:05.08 | Supaplex | !bittorrent |
| 03:05.08 | dpkg | well, bittorrent is a P2P file distribution protocol. BitTorrent is also the name of the original BitTorrent client, available in Debian. other clients include bittornado, ktorrent (KDE), rtorrent, qtorrent (Qt) and azureus (only in contrib) |
| 03:05.14 | lewis2 | if you have two <Directory> chunks in apache2 config file contradicting each other, which wins, the deny or the allow? |
| 03:05.59 | rpc | dpkg: and utorrent via wine :) |
| 03:06.08 | DawnLight | does anyone know how to change the system font for openoffice.org? |
| 03:07.28 | Supaplex | DawnLight: murder a former wordperfect developer? ;) |
| 03:07.43 | rpc | he he |
| 03:08.00 | rpc | please check for /dev/wife first though :) |
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| 03:08.32 | r3m | . |
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| 03:08.55 | concept10 | Say for example I make some changes to my .zshrc.. How do I reload them without logging out/in? is this possible? |
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| 03:09.33 | DawnLight | i don't get it Supaplex |
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| 03:13.34 | Naz_ | Where can I find out the filesystem type of a plugged in usb hardrive via the command line? |
| 03:13.40 | Kronuz | hey, is there a way I can get an experimental package in my etch ? |
| 03:13.46 | Naz_ | I have the devie location. |
| 03:13.48 | Kronuz | like for instance OpenOffice 2.2.0 ? |
| 03:13.52 | Naz_ | device* |
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| 03:14.37 | Supaplex | Kronuz: why yes. /msg dpkg experimental. |
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| 03:15.24 | Kronuz | thanks Supaplex |
| 03:15.54 | Kronuz | Supaplex: those are not in a repository, are they? (experimental packages) |
| 03:16.15 | Supaplex | I rarley play with that fire. |
| 03:16.18 | Supaplex | rarely* |
| 03:16.39 | dondelelcaro | Kronuz: yes, but if you can't find them, you shouldn't use them. |
| 03:17.10 | Naz_ | IN other words, how can I mount a fat32 filesysystem? |
| 03:17.24 | dondelelcaro | Naz_: with mount |
| 03:17.27 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:17.35 | Naz_ | what -t value? |
| 03:17.39 | dondelelcaro | Naz_: none |
| 03:17.50 | Kronuz | dondelelcaro: what about gnome 2.16 or gnome 2.18? |
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| 03:17.58 | dondelelcaro | Kronuz: packages.debian.org is your friend |
| 03:18.12 | Naz_ | It says I must specifiy a valkue though |
| 03:18.19 | dondelelcaro | Naz_: then use -t vfat; man mount for details |
| 03:18.31 | Kronuz | dondelelcaro: but that's not a repository, do I have to get the .deb package instead then? |
| 03:18.35 | Naz_ | okay, thanks |
| 03:18.48 | Kronuz | (can't I just add a magic repository with all experimental stuff?) |
| 03:18.52 | dondelelcaro | Kronuz: uh... I didn't say anything about it being a repository... |
| 03:19.05 | dondelelcaro | Kronuz: and the answer is no, and yes. |
| 03:19.10 | Kronuz | dondelelcaro: exactly, that's what I meant |
| 03:19.14 | Kronuz | lol |
| 03:19.16 | wad | So I'm setting up a desktop box with sarge, but it's asking what video card driver I want to use. What on earth is this? Can't the installer look at the card and figure out which one to use? Do I have to reboot the box and watch the screen while it reboots, to see what video card is in it? Does that mean I have to restart my install? Ugh! |
| 03:19.42 | r3m | heu |
| 03:19.46 | Naz_ | Thanks, dondelolcaro, worked like a charm |
| 03:19.48 | dondelelcaro | wad: it generaly can figure it out on its own. |
| 03:19.56 | r3m | how to see ntop ? its the nobody user that run it |
| 03:19.58 | merty | are the apt sources list for etch rc2 any different to testing? |
| 03:20.01 | r3m | i do not see any interface |
| 03:20.03 | dondelelcaro | merty: no. |
| 03:20.04 | wad | So... the installer refuses to proceed unless I select a driver from the list. |
| 03:20.24 | dondelelcaro | wad: that's not the installer; that's the debconf configuration of the X server. |
| 03:20.29 | cob | wad: select VESA for now |
| 03:20.34 | wad | dondelelcaro, ah, thanks for the clarificaiton. |
| 03:20.39 | wad | Okay, I'll go with VESA. Thanks! |
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| 03:20.50 | r3m | i want a graphical network viewver i mean i want to see if my connection is good the signal |
| 03:20.58 | dondelelcaro | (and yes, it's been made easier now with etch; it doesn't even ask you nowadays) |
| 03:21.22 | cusco | r3m: whats wrong with a commandline one? |
| 03:21.29 | cusco | iwlist scan |
| 03:21.30 | Supaplex | I did a balance trasfer off my VESA to my ... nm, that's just too lame to finish. |
| 03:21.32 | r3m | cusco well i see nothing |
| 03:21.36 | dondelelcaro | r3m: iwconfig foodevice; will tell you what the signal strength is. As far as displaying it graphically, there are widgets for many WMs that can do it. |
| 03:21.36 | r3m | with ntop |
| 03:22.06 | cusco | r3m: why would you see anything with ntop? |
| 03:22.06 | cusco | r3m: iwlist sc |
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| 03:22.06 | dondelelcaro | r3m: ntop measures network device usage, not signal strength. |
| 03:22.06 | r3m | dondelelcaro is there a way to run iwconfig in a while loop |
| 03:22.06 | dondelelcaro | r3m: man watch |
| 03:22.10 | wad | Supaplex, nice try. |
| 03:22.12 | wad | ;) |
| 03:22.23 | cusco | r3m: sure like in bash scripting |
| 03:22.25 | Supaplex | wad: :-D |
| 03:22.32 | cusco | r3m: try cat /proc/net/wireless |
| 03:22.56 | cob | !man watch |
| 03:22.59 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: cellphone > watch ;) |
| 03:23.03 | linlin | how do i add unstable repositories? |
| 03:23.11 | Supaplex | !iyhta |
| 03:23.14 | wad | At work the other day, we ran the tool to convert a CVS repository to Subversion. I expressed my concern that if it didn't work out, we could encounter Subversion Conversion Perversion. Groans, all around. |
| 03:23.19 | cob | i'm a dpkg bot noob |
| 03:23.22 | dondelelcaro | linlin: you don't add them; you upgrade to them. In general, if you have to ask, you should not. |
| 03:23.23 | wad | <---- teller of geek jokes |
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| 03:23.51 | petemc | 0 |
| 03:24.36 | r3m | watch is cool, thanks dondel |
| 03:25.05 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.17 | r3m | ;) |
| 03:25.21 | r3m | Supaplex |
| 03:25.22 | r3m | HiHi |
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| 03:27.52 | r3m | \ |
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| 03:31.39 | DawnLight | can anyone point me in the dircetion of a graphic boot progressbar howto please |
| 03:32.32 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight; http://www.google.com/search?q=bootsplash%20progress%20bar%20howto |
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| 03:33.53 | Sazpaimon | so is there any way I can get Bittorrent 5.x running on debian stable? |
| 03:34.03 | Sazpaimon | it seems to require python 2.4 |
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| 03:35.30 | eduhat | anyone in here know about ther ruby programming language? |
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| 03:35.52 | petemc | me me i do! |
| 03:36.01 | cheeseboy | hi |
| 03:36.06 | eduhat | petemc: do you use it? |
| 03:36.16 | cheeseboy | i have a problem |
| 03:36.32 | petemc | eduhat: no |
| 03:36.35 | TomyLobo | eduhat #ruby maybe? |
| 03:36.39 | cheeseboy | my interbnet isnt going to work if i install debian |
| 03:36.55 | cheeseboy | Internet* |
| 03:37.05 | TomyLobo | what exactly isnt working? |
| 03:37.16 | pickcoder | does anyone know if openvpn 2.1 will make it into stable? unstable is currently still on 2.0.9 |
| 03:37.18 | eduhat | TomyLobo: that might help huh? |
| 03:37.46 | TomyLobo | cheeseboy do you use a router to go online? or pppoe? or ppp? modem? cable? dsl? isdn? |
| 03:37.47 | cheeseboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.49 | petemc | pickcoder: etch is frozen |
| 03:38.12 | cheeseboy | wireless router |
| 03:38.32 | pickcoder | oh yeah.. I forgot |
| 03:38.32 | TomyLobo | so you go online via wlan? |
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| 03:38.49 | cheeseboy | ya |
| 03:38.53 | TomyLobo | first of all: does your wlan work? |
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| 03:38.59 | TomyLobo | (can you ping the router?) |
| 03:39.02 | cheeseboy | but my card isnt supported by linux |
| 03:39.03 | wad | Hmm. I'm installing a new debian box, as a desktop. I chose that set of packages at install time. When it booted, it didn't go to X or anything, though, just a console login. I logged in and edited /etc/inittab to tell it to go to runlevel 5. Rebooted, still nothing. What's wrong? How do I get gnome on boot? |
| 03:39.13 | TomyLobo | cheeseboy why dont you say that? |
| 03:39.18 | Raidon | Hi |
| 03:39.26 | cheeseboy | i have to setup in ndiswrapper |
| 03:39.38 | cheeseboy | which i cant do w/o internet |
| 03:39.47 | TomyLobo | well you seem to be here :) |
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| 03:40.05 | Raidon | can anyone give me a hand, im trying to install debian (already have xp) in dual boot configuration, after the install is complete my grub throws up an error 17 each time i try to boot |
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| 03:40.10 | TomyLobo | so you could use CD/floppy disk/usb stick |
| 03:40.40 | cheeseboy | i waswonderin if i could put in iso somehow |
| 03:40.57 | cheeseboy | so itll do it for me in the future |
| 03:40.59 | LinuxNIT | is there a command to list all of the systems users? |
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| 03:41.28 | Sazpaimon | so yeah, anyone? |
| 03:41.39 | Sazpaimon | I'd really like to get bittorrent 5 running on sarge |
| 03:41.59 | cheeseboy | wats the problem? |
| 03:42.23 | cheeseboy | @ Sazpaimon |
| 03:42.33 | Sazpaimon | well, it requires python2.4 |
| 03:42.43 | dondelelcaro | wad: you need to install a display manager, like gdm, kdm, wdm, xdm, ... |
| 03:42.45 | bknitram | Which is avalable on sargs... |
| 03:42.48 | cheeseboy | so install it.. |
| 03:42.52 | bknitram | sarge* |
| 03:42.55 | dondelelcaro | wad: if you choose the desktop task it installs all of that for you. |
| 03:42.56 | Sazpaimon | is it? it doesnt seem to be working for me |
| 03:43.06 | wad | I chose the desktop task. |
| 03:43.16 | wad | So I assumed gnome or something would be there. |
| 03:43.18 | Sazpaimon | when I install python2.4, then try to dpkg -i bittorrent it tells me it requires python 2.4 |
| 03:43.22 | dondelelcaro | wad: then gdm should have been installed. |
| 03:43.27 | wad | Great! |
| 03:43.36 | wad | So.... why doesn't it load it on boot? |
| 03:43.48 | bknitram | gdm would be in runlevel 2 |
| 03:43.49 | dondelelcaro | wad: check first to make sure that it was actually installed. |
| 03:43.53 | wad | sure |
| 03:43.55 | wad | 1 sec |
| 03:43.57 | bknitram | At least that is where it got put here... |
| 03:43.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell wad -about runlevels |
| 03:44.13 | pickcoder | runlevels.. |
| 03:44.13 | dondelelcaro | !tell bknitram -about runlevels |
| 03:44.14 | pickcoder | gah |
| 03:44.55 | wad | So, default runlevel of 2 is good, then. |
| 03:44.56 | Sazpaimon | am i missing something? |
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| 03:45.07 | Sazpaimon | or do I have to like, uninstall python 2.3 |
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| 03:45.26 | glick | hey i have a questioin whats the easiest way to compile a kernel modules that I wrote? |
| 03:45.32 | glick | can i put it somewhere and just run make? |
| 03:46.11 | amphi | glick: compile it where it is, and insmod it |
| 03:46.22 | amphi | glick: I would think |
| 03:46.36 | DawnLight | openoffice.org's display font doesn't look like my kde font despite having openoffice "use system font" so does anyone know what it refers to by "system font"? |
| 03:46.44 | Raidon | can anyone give me a hand, im trying to install debian (already have xp) in dual boot configuration, after the install is complete my grub throws up an error 17 each time i try to boot |
| 03:46.47 | glick | amphi, just use gcc -c? |
| 03:46.51 | Sazpaimon | anyone? |
| 03:46.58 | Rusty1 | Sazpaimon: by what means did you install python2.4, dpkg, apt-get? |
| 03:47.04 | Sazpaimon | apt-get |
| 03:47.04 | DawnLight | perhaps the java runtime system font? |
| 03:47.12 | Sazpaimon | i installed bittorrent via dpkg |
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| 03:47.21 | wad | Currently it's in runlevel (I had edited /etc/inittab and rebooted). And it looks like gdm is *NOT* installed! |
| 03:47.22 | eduhat | !dpkg remove ruby |
| 03:47.29 | wad | Should I do apt-get install gdm? |
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| 03:47.46 | eduhat | !tell eduhat -about remove ruby |
| 03:47.54 | Sazpaimon | i tried to look for python version 2.4 on the package website, but it required lots of stuff from the testing branch |
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| 03:48.41 | Sazpaimon | it seems that the bittorrent package requires that the python package be version 2.4 or better |
| 03:48.44 | Sazpaimon | not python2.4 |
| 03:48.54 | Sazpaimon | (which appear to be seperate packages) |
| 03:48.56 | pickcoder | glick: if you wrote the module, why are you asking us how to compile it? |
| 03:49.20 | glick | pickcoder, well im learning to write modules |
| 03:49.25 | Sazpaimon | and python version 2.4 is in the testing branch, and backports doesnt have it |
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| 03:49.30 | glick | pickcoder, its an example modules from linux device driverse |
| 03:49.33 | Sazpaimon | how do I resolve this? |
| 03:49.38 | danilom | how to install latex in debian etch |
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| 03:50.24 | etrask | is there a way to create a bootable GRUB installer? |
| 03:50.50 | pickcoder | glick: google found this very quickly: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/build-linux-kernel-module-against-installed-kernel-source-tree.html |
| 03:51.27 | amphi | glick: that should tell you how to build it, see http://linuxdriver.co.il/ldd3/linuxdrive3-CHP-2-SECT-4.html perhaps |
| 03:51.30 | pickcoder | I'm sure there are more precise instructions on using module-assistant with your module source |
| 03:51.50 | pickcoder | I have never written a module personally, so I'm clueless there |
| 03:51.53 | Sazpaimon | should I just set dpkg to ignore dependencies regarding the python package? |
| 03:52.08 | Sazpaimon | I mean, if I have python2.4 installed, that's the same as python package version 2.4, right? |
| 03:52.26 | pickcoder | glick: #kernel may also be a resource considering |
| 03:52.34 | glick | thanks guys |
| 03:52.37 | pickcoder | gah.. resource to consider |
| 03:52.57 | Sazpaimon | someone correct me if I'm wrong |
| 03:53.12 | glick | wonder why they dont have that in the beginning of the book |
| 03:53.58 | amphi | glick: a desperate attempt to get people to actually _read_ it? ;) |
| 03:54.27 | Rusty1 | Sazpaimon: the version of bittorrent vailable via apt-get ? |
| 03:54.37 | Rusty1 | available |
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| 03:58.07 | Sazpaimon | [20:54] <Rusty1> Sazpaimon: the version of bittorrent vailable via apt-get ? |
| 03:58.11 | Sazpaimon | 3.x |
| 03:58.15 | Sazpaimon | in all branches |
| 03:58.25 | Sazpaimon | literally years old |
| 03:58.37 | etrask | how much has BT changed? |
| 03:58.46 | jasher | i have pentium d processor D945Gnt board what arch is mine and what distribution in debian to use |
| 03:58.51 | jasher | pls help |
| 03:58.53 | Sazpaimon | well 3.x doesnt have bittorrent-console |
| 03:59.00 | Sazpaimon | and i dont know how to operate it |
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| 03:59.20 | etrask | ah... (I can't help, I'm a total linux newb) |
| 03:59.27 | Sazpaimon | but is there a difference between the python version 2.4 package and the python2.4 package? |
| 03:59.41 | etrask | jasher: probably x86 architecture, and I like Etch but you may want to go with the stable one |
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| 03:59.50 | pickcoder | Sazpaimon: there are changelogs in the package list on packages.debian.org |
| 03:59.54 | etrask | I wouldn't know, sorry Sazpaimon |
| 03:59.56 | pickcoder | compare it to the changelogs from the original source |
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| 04:00.08 | sivik | i have a .odt file that will only open as read-only and i'm the owner, how do i make it not read only from cli? |
| 04:00.12 | jasher | ok |
| 04:01.08 | Sazpaimon | hm |
| 04:01.13 | Sazpaimon | the python package is a dependency package |
| 04:01.29 | Sazpaimon | so that means it isnt really python, python2.4 is python |
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| 04:02.52 | Sazpaimon | so would it be safe to ignore the dependency on python version 2.4 if the python2.4 package is installed? |
| 04:03.00 | Sazpaimon | i guess there's no harm in trying |
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| 04:05.26 | pickcoder | Sazpaimon: have you looked @ backports? |
| 04:05.31 | Sazpaimon | I did |
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| 04:05.37 | Sazpaimon | python on backports is still 2.3 |
| 04:07.10 | pickcoder | I don't even see it listed |
| 04:08.01 | pickcoder | actually there's a 2.4 setuptools package |
| 04:08.03 | Sazpaimon | i just tried getting it via backports now |
| 04:08.10 | Sazpaimon | it installed 2.3.5-5 |
| 04:08.38 | pickcoder | but no distro of python |
| 04:08.54 | Sazpaimon | this is really odd |
| 04:09.39 | Sazpaimon | i mean, if I try to get the python dependency package on the testing branch, it wants the testing version of libc6, which I KNOW would lead to me having to put up with more dependency hell |
| 04:10.52 | pickcoder | hrm.. I see 2.4 under Sarge |
| 04:10.58 | pickcoder | wonder if that's backports |
| 04:11.06 | pickcoder | 2.4.1-2sarge1 |
| 04:11.45 | Sazpaimon | is this python2.4? |
| 04:11.51 | Sazpaimon | or the python package |
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| 04:11.57 | Sazpaimon | they're two different packages |
| 04:11.58 | pickcoder | sure is |
| 04:12.01 | pickcoder | er |
| 04:12.07 | pickcoder | sure is in debian, not backports |
| 04:12.30 | pickcoder | this is from 3.1, btw |
| 04:12.33 | Sazpaimon | right |
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| 04:12.38 | Sazpaimon | http://packages.debian.org/stable/python/python is version 2.3 |
| 04:12.48 | pickcoder | no |
| 04:12.50 | pickcoder | there is a 2.4 version too |
| 04:13.04 | pickcoder | apt-cache show python2.4 |
| 04:13.10 | Sazpaimon | right |
| 04:13.17 | Sazpaimon | that wont upgrade the python package to 2.4 though |
| 04:13.22 | pickcoder | um |
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| 04:13.48 | Sazpaimon | becaue I have that installed, I try to dpkg -i bittorrent and I get: bittorrent: Depends: python (>= 2.4) but 2.3.5-5 is to be installed |
| 04:13.56 | etrask | Zaphod:/home/etrask# grub-install (sdb2,1) |
| 04:13.56 | etrask | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `sdb2,1' |
| 04:14.07 | etrask | wtf why am i so stupid? |
| 04:14.17 | pickcoder | Sazpaimon: did you try to install 2.4 first? |
| 04:14.28 | amphi | etrask: grub-install /dev/$LINUX_DEVICE_NAME |
| 04:14.29 | Sazpaimon | yes\ |
| 04:14.41 | etrask | amphi: thank you |
| 04:14.52 | Sazpaimon | I apt-get install python2.4, it's installed, and i try to dpkg -i BT, and i get that error |
| 04:14.57 | amphi | etrask: are you not installing to the mbr? |
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| 04:15.20 | etrask | I... don't know? |
| 04:15.30 | cld2 | are there backports for etch? |
| 04:15.31 | etrask | amphi: right now grub is installed on a windows drive which is about to go byebye |
| 04:15.46 | pickcoder | Sazpaimon: I dunno. ignoring depends is always a bad idea |
| 04:15.48 | pickcoder | do what you want |
| 04:15.50 | Sazpaimon | yeah |
| 04:15.52 | Sazpaimon | i just tried it |
| 04:16.03 | Sazpaimon | executed bittorrent-console, and i got a python error |
| 04:16.20 | etrask | amphi: is there an easier way? |
| 04:17.15 | Sazpaimon | oh wait, I should have looked at the error |
| 04:17.16 | Sazpaimon | ImportError: No module named twisted.internet |
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| 04:17.17 | amphi | etrask: normally, you'd install grub to the mbr, ie grub-install /dev/hda or whatever - that sorta grub syntax you used looked like you were trying to install to a partition |
| 04:17.17 | Sazpaimon | i guess i need to install python2.4-twisted |
| 04:17.17 | pickcoder | yes |
| 04:17.21 | pickcoder | except it doesn't exist |
| 04:17.28 | wad | Anyone here familiar with samba? I've got users home directories shared and happy, password protected, but I'd also like a common share, with no restrictions. Anyone on the LAN can fiddle with it. I've tried a few things, but with "security = user" global setting, I'm stuck. It seems that if I set it to "securiy = share", I lose the secure home directories. Any suggestions appreciated! |
| 04:17.30 | Sazpaimon | yes it does |
| 04:17.33 | etrask | well, I just installed it to the mbr |
| 04:17.36 | Sazpaimon | i'm getting dependency problems with it now |
| 04:17.48 | etrask | amphi: or /dev/sdb2... that partition 2 on drive b? |
| 04:17.48 | Sazpaimon | i'll install it in aptitude so I can fix them all |
| 04:18.37 | amphi | etrask: yes - why would you install grub there, rather than the mbr of that disk, ie. grub-install /dev/sdb ? |
| 04:18.41 | concept10 | fu@(*! why cant people write docs! |
| 04:18.57 | etrask | amphi: because I'm a n00b and stupid... I supposed just /dev/sdb is a better idea? |
| 04:19.16 | etrask | amphi: also is there a way, later, to get grub to scan another HD for an OS and put that in menu.lst? |
| 04:19.18 | amphi | etrask: don't grovel ;) |
| 04:19.23 | wad | s/stupid/stoopid/ #has a better feel to it |
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| 04:19.27 | amphi | etrask: yeah, /dev/sdb sounds good |
| 04:19.46 | etrask | cool |
| 04:19.57 | pickcoder | concept10: is a lack of docs better than invalid or confusing docs? |
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| 04:20.10 | pickcoder | I seem to encounter both scenarios often |
| 04:20.14 | concept10 | pickcoder, im not sure |
| 04:20.16 | amphi | etrask: if you bollocks it up, you can boot from a cd and try again anyway, so don't be too nervous ;) |
| 04:20.26 | etrask | amphi: should there be more than two lines on the device.map |
| 04:20.44 | etrask | amphi: i'm not worried about screwing up ONE of these OSes... all the important stuff is backed up on an external drive anyway |
| 04:20.53 | concept10 | pickcoder, its goes like this: FOSS ... take the code and... PLAY WITH IT |
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| 04:21.04 | amphi | etrask: depends - is sdb there? |
| 04:21.14 | etrask | yeah |
| 04:21.27 | amphi | sounds good |
| 04:21.35 | William_S1 | hiya |
| 04:21.36 | pickcoder | I wish that all code editors required comments to be inserted every so many lines |
| 04:21.42 | amphi | and the bios can boot off sdb? |
| 04:21.53 | pickcoder | if that happened, then I'm sure the code would aleast be fun reading material |
| 04:22.03 | pickcoder | probably moreso than the docs |
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| 04:22.21 | etrask | if not It'll be sda soon enough (but yes it can) |
| 04:23.05 | concept10 | I shouldnt be working on this crap anyway. Friend comes to me with this bullshit head in the sky idea for a web app. I only agreed to work on it because it had a nice sun server running sarge. |
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| 04:23.25 | concept10 | now im mad |
| 04:24.13 | GreaseMonkey | apt-get install hammer |
| 04:24.50 | pickcoder | concept10: what lang? |
| 04:25.36 | Sazpaimon | pickcoder, what do you know, it works now |
| 04:25.42 | concept10 | pickcoder, customizing a php content manager (thumbs down) |
| 04:25.46 | hark | i bet it's php |
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| 04:26.04 | Sazpaimon | just ignoring the python dependency, fixing the python symlink in /usr/bin to python2.4, and installing bittorrent works fine |
| 04:26.48 | pickcoder | concept10: hrm.. is it a FOSS package? |
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| 04:27.53 | concept10 | pickcoder, yep, the problem isnt really the software (some of it is, because of no docs) but the problem is with people that have these *big* dreams about some website, but in reality it has no vision |
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| 04:28.16 | pickcoder | well php isn't exactly the lang to write a huge system in |
| 04:28.29 | MadDwarf | right, another reinstall ... |
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| 04:28.48 | pickcoder | I run a nuke site that get's defaced on a regular basis |
| 04:28.57 | hark | MadDwarf: the 3d problem? |
| 04:29.16 | MadDwarf | aye, hark - but hdd trubbles too |
| 04:30.01 | MadDwarf | currently got a clean Etch install with vesa drivers. need to get 3d working on my nvidia 6600 |
| 04:30.44 | hark | why vesa? you could have used nv too |
| 04:30.55 | MadDwarf | nv borks my whole display |
| 04:31.16 | Sazpaimon | pickcoder, oh great |
| 04:31.19 | MadDwarf | etch defaultly installs nv, and promptly corrupts my display, console, everything |
| 04:31.34 | Sazpaimon | pickcoder, now that i've installed bittorrent with the python dependency ignored, apt-get is complaining |
| 04:31.35 | hark | weird.. that sucks |
| 04:31.42 | Sazpaimon | how do I get it to ignore the bittorrent issue? |
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| 04:32.16 | hark | what is it complaining about? |
| 04:32.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell Sazpaimon -about bat |
| 04:32.42 | Sazpaimon | yeah ok |
| 04:32.58 | Sazpaimon | apt-get is complaining about unmet dependencies |
| 04:33.02 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.14 | Sazpaimon | but bittorrent installed just fine igoring that dependency |
| 04:33.20 | Sazpaimon | *ignoring |
| 04:33.43 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: only because you basically made python python2.4 |
| 04:33.47 | Sazpaimon | there's no way I can install version 2.4 of that specific package on sarge anyway |
| 04:33.53 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: which will likely break many other things |
| 04:34.05 | Sazpaimon | so how do I get this damn thing installed |
| 04:34.13 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: what you should have done is modified the package os that it depends on python or python2.4 and then had it use /usr/bin/python2.4 |
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| 04:34.40 | MadDwarf | so, nvidia drivers ... |
| 04:34.41 | dondelelcaro | or better, stop using bittorrent and start using rtorrent |
| 04:34.56 | Sazpaimon | i like that solution |
| 04:34.59 | hark | heh |
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| 04:35.11 | dondelelcaro | well, bittorrent is crap, unfortunalty. |
| 04:35.19 | Sazpaimon | i know |
| 04:35.22 | dondelelcaro | rtorrent is far superior to it in many ways |
| 04:35.27 | Sazpaimon | i didnt know how many bt clients there are on linux |
| 04:35.41 | Sazpaimon | all i knew of is bittorrent and the java(eww) based clients |
| 04:35.59 | hark | there are plenty, apt-cache search |
| 04:36.10 | Sazpaimon | I'll get rtorrent then |
| 04:36.14 | amphi | rtorrent is pleasant |
| 04:36.32 | Sazpaimon | let me just remove bittorrent and fix my python symlink |
| 04:36.42 | MadDwarf | i'm planning on installing the drivers from nvidia.com ... any advice (apart from "don't" ... nothing else i have found works) |
| 04:36.47 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: sorry; I misread your "i like that solution" as "i dislike that solution" for some reason |
| 04:37.04 | Sazpaimon | no problem |
| 04:37.37 | Sazpaimon | now is the rtorrent package on apt kept up to date? |
| 04:37.58 | dondelelcaro | the ones in unstable are, but the one in sarge should be functional |
| 04:38.32 | Sazpaimon | odd |
| 04:38.41 | Sazpaimon | it doesnt list sarge on packages.debian.org |
| 04:38.47 | dondelelcaro | oh, nope; ignore be. It wasn't released then |
| 04:38.52 | Sazpaimon | i guess it's on backports then |
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| 04:39.10 | dondelelcaro | hell, if it's not, I'll even backport it |
| 04:39.21 | Sazpaimon | let's see |
| 04:39.25 | Sazpaimon | backports has 0.6.0 |
| 04:39.40 | amphi | it's either in sarge or backports, I used it on sarge |
| 04:39.42 | dondelelcaro | that's good enough |
| 04:39.47 | amphi | Sazpaimon: why not use etch/ |
| 04:39.49 | amphi | ? |
| 04:39.59 | Sazpaimon | this is a production server |
| 04:40.08 | amphi | Sazpaimon: ah |
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| 04:40.19 | Sazpaimon | i just need rtorrent to fix my ratio on random sites |
| 04:40.23 | amphi | Sazpaimon: running a bt client? ;) |
| 04:40.25 | cheeseboy | can i ask about knoppix in here? |
| 04:40.26 | MadDwarf | can anyone offer any advice on installing nvidia drivers? I have been having lots of trouble, and am not sure the best way to go from here . |
| 04:40.27 | Sazpaimon | yeah man |
| 04:40.34 | Sazpaimon | i have a 100mbps connection on this |
| 04:40.36 | amphi | dear me |
| 04:40.45 | dondelelcaro | cheeseboy: #knoppix is the place to ask. |
| 04:40.58 | amphi | cheeseboy: it will only lead to delay and disappointment ;) |
| 04:40.59 | cheeseboy | no ones talking there :( |
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| 04:41.26 | dondelelcaro | MadDwarf: the best way is to not install them and use nv if it's at all possible. If it isn't, then you need to use one of the nvidia installer packages, and be prepared to deal with bugs in their drivers |
| 04:41.27 | Sazpaimon | I'll give etch another year or two before i switch to it |
| 04:41.41 | GreaseMonkey | cheeseboy: i should be able to help you there |
| 04:41.44 | Sazpaimon | i know a lot of production environments are working on etch |
| 04:41.56 | MadDwarf | dondelelcaro: 'nv' drivers seem someow incompatable with my system - screen becomes corrupt |
| 04:41.59 | pickcoder | Sazpaimon: I've been running it for a while for mail services |
| 04:42.06 | dondelelcaro | MadDwarf: corrupt how? |
| 04:42.32 | Sazpaimon | and the directadmin forums (I give my clients directadmin for a control panel), has an unofficial etch testing topic |
| 04:42.51 | MadDwarf | dondelelcaro: the screen becomes unreadable - a grid of coloured lines vaguely representing the underlying display. it is this way in console too |
| 04:43.32 | pickcoder | sounds like a horiz freq issue |
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| 04:43.55 | dondelelcaro | MadDwarf: and you've got a relatively modern monitor on it? |
| 04:43.59 | MadDwarf | pickcoder: i have entered the vert and horiz. values supplied by the monitor manufacturer |
| 04:44.10 | MadDwarf | not that new monitor, but not ancient |
| 04:44.18 | dondelelcaro | how old? |
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| 04:44.40 | MadDwarf | dondelelcaro: not sure exactly. 17" elonex v700 |
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| 04:45.00 | hark | MadDwarf: and the nvidia drivers worked (for 2d atleast)? |
| 04:45.02 | MadDwarf | once i put the vesa drivers on, its all fine |
| 04:45.11 | unlink | scim isn't working for me. i hit control-space and nothing appears. |
| 04:45.15 | unlink | scim -d is running |
| 04:45.35 | MadDwarf | hark: the nvidia drivers from the debian repository work for 2d, the nv drivers do not |
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| 04:45.54 | MadDwarf | i need to have 3D working |
| 04:46.33 | unlink | how can i debug this? i don't see anything on google, the wiki is bare, and the debian pacakges don't come with documentation |
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| 04:46.38 | unlink | there is no error message printed |
| 04:46.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell MadDwarf -about nvidia |
| 04:47.16 | BrownFrog | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.18 | hark | MadDwarf: try again with debian's packages first.. glxinfo, Xorg.0.log to debug |
| 04:47.21 | BrownFrog | How can I tell it that Pacific Time != UTC? ;) |
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| 04:47.54 | MadDwarf | hark: try again again? i have been working on this (intermittently) all week ... several reinstalls ... |
| 04:48.22 | hark | you can always purge it later.. no need to reinstall |
| 04:48.23 | MadDwarf | the "one line" install does not seem to work on my system |
| 04:48.32 | MadDwarf | i spent 3 hours today trying to purge |
| 04:48.37 | MadDwarf | ended up wiping |
| 04:49.41 | hark | BrownFrog: what does grep UTC /etc/default/rcS say? |
| 04:50.07 | BrownFrog | hark: UTC=no |
| 04:50.21 | hark | must be a KDE thing then |
| 04:50.28 | MadDwarf | i do not know linux very well. I am starting to remember some commands, and locations. but i do not understand yet |
| 04:50.34 | hark | try #debian-kde or #kde as well |
| 04:51.06 | BrownFrog | hark: It's very odd; it was working fine until I tried installing Sabayon alongside Debian (Sabayon's install failed); how it would mess up Debian is very odd |
| 04:51.09 | dondelelcaro | MadDwarf: that's how it's installed. If you have a problem or get stuck while using those comamnds, then you should come here and ask. Those commands do work (or at least, they did 3 months ago) |
| 04:51.14 | BrownFrog | hark: Yeah, I'm trying #kde too |
| 04:51.26 | MadDwarf | dondelelcaro: i have been here asking |
| 04:51.44 | MadDwarf | dondelelcaro: and i am here asking again |
| 04:51.57 | dondelelcaro | then you haven't asked while the right people who can answer the questions are available. |
| 04:52.07 | MadDwarf | #sigh# |
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| 04:52.18 | dondelelcaro | no one who knows what they are doing would have ever advised you to wipe your machine if you had followed the one liner. |
| 04:52.19 | BrownFrog | hark: I might as well try #debian-kde too; I didn't know of that one's existance! |
| 04:52.26 | MadDwarf | dondelelcaro: can you point me to the right people? |
| 04:52.40 | dondelelcaro | MadDwarf: you're talking to one of them. |
| 04:52.46 | pickcoder | MadDwarf: which card do you have |
| 04:52.51 | hark | BrownFrog: yes, they're here or on oftc |
| 04:53.00 | MadDwarf | pickcoder: geforce 6600 |
| 04:53.01 | hark | a 6600 |
| 04:53.39 | MadDwarf | dondelelcaro: ok, talk me through "one-line" install once more please |
| 04:54.00 | dondelelcaro | MadDwarf: you just run those commands. It's quite literally that simple |
| 04:54.17 | MadDwarf | dondelelcaro: and if it doesn't work after that? |
| 04:54.20 | dondelelcaro | MadDwarf: just run them one at a time (without the &&) |
| 04:54.40 | dondelelcaro | MadDwarf: if one of them fails, then you give us the precise command that you ran and the precise output that it gave. |
| 04:55.06 | MadDwarf | dondelelcaro: they need to be run as root, i presume? |
| 04:55.24 | dondelelcaro | it's easier that way, but not all of them require it |
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| 04:55.48 | cld2 | oh please, im going crazy. where does apache2 store the DocumentRoot setting? I want to change it from /var/www but cant find it. |
| 04:56.07 | dondelelcaro | cld2: in 00_default |
| 04:56.19 | pickcoder | cld2: each site is stored under /etc/apache2/sites-available and symlinked into /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 04:56.23 | cld2 | dondelelcaro: oh, nice thanks in this sites_enabled dir |
| 04:56.47 | cld2 | dondelelcaro, pickcoder: thanks. this is a new way of doing it for me. coming from solaris. |
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| 04:57.04 | dondelelcaro | yeah, a2ensite is really the way to go |
| 04:57.08 | pickcoder | a2ensite and a2dissite will manage the site symlinks for you |
| 04:57.17 | dondelelcaro | no more crappy monolithic configuration files |
| 04:57.18 | pickcoder | same for a2enmod and a2dismod |
| 04:57.44 | cld2 | nice thanks very much for those commands. |
| 04:58.31 | kintaro0e | hi guys...i just finish installing the base install of debian..and i want install kde..i'm confuse what to install..is it the: kde or kde-core..i've heard that the kde is in modular today...ehehe..any advice? :) |
| 04:58.44 | pickcoder | took me a while to get accustomed to the 2.x config setup, but I like it much better than 1.3 |
| 04:58.56 | pickcoder | module management is far simpler |
| 04:58.59 | pickcoder | as well as sites |
| 04:59.20 | cld2 | pickcoder: yeah, this seems a lot nicer just from the quick looking im having now. |
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| 05:00.01 | MadDwarf | so i need to use the module assistant method for nvidia drivers, you think? |
| 05:00.13 | hark | yes, as in the one-liner |
| 05:00.35 | Sazpaimon | so does ncftpput/ncftpget work with bookmarks? |
| 05:01.16 | hark | kintaro0e: kde-core and get what you need separately.. kde would bring quite a lot in. but YMMV |
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| 05:01.36 | MadDwarf | dondelelcaro: well the 1st error i am gettign is ofter running apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common |
| 05:02.54 | dondelelcaro | MadDwarf: so use a paste site and paste the errors |
| 05:03.22 | MadDwarf | dondel - for some reason it wanted my install CD |
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| 05:04.16 | hark | MadDwarf: remove it from your sources.list.. |
| 05:04.40 | pickcoder | or comment it out |
| 05:04.43 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 05:04.58 | hark | also make sure you have a repository in as well... /msg dpkg mirrors and /msg dpkg etch security |
| 05:05.05 | lhunath | is there a way to make apt-get install packages while downloading others in the queue; or at the very least install them right after downloading; not after *all* the packages in the queue were downloaded? |
| 05:05.10 | BrownFrog | Hmm, the plot thickens. 'grep UTC /etc/default/rcS' gives 'UTC=no', but 'date' in bash gives 'Fri Mar 23 21:59:51 UTC 2007'; any idea what the problem could be? (For reference, the correct answer would be 21:59:51 PDT, and the BIOS has the correct version already) |
| 05:06.13 | hark | tzconfig say? |
| 05:06.42 | hark | !set the time |
| 05:06.43 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple (or just ntp in >= etch) to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 05:07.23 | BrownFrog | hark: Odd; tzconfig returns Unknown |
| 05:07.53 | MadDwarf | and now my f'g'n net connection has collapsed ... 10.9Mb to download ... still 3 hours remaining |
| 05:07.58 | pickcoder | BrownFrog: what's in /etc/timezone? |
| 05:07.59 | BrownFrog | hark: I'll try setting it to PDT and hope it doesn't muck with the system clock (for some reason, changing the clock restarts X in Sid!) |
| 05:08.07 | cld2 | are there backports for etch from backports.org? |
| 05:08.15 | hark | not yet |
| 05:08.28 | BrownFrog | pickcoder: America/Los_Angeles |
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| 05:08.56 | Whit | Is there a command that must be executed before changes made to the sudoers file are made effective? |
| 05:08.59 | BrownFrog | pickcoder: ...but it's not a symlink; isn't it supposed to be? |
| 05:09.50 | pickcoder | no.. it's just a reference to the zoneinfo file in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ |
| 05:09.58 | pickcoder | maybe your tz files are screwed up |
| 05:09.58 | cld2 | Whit: you have to use visudo |
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| 05:10.12 | dondelelcaro | Whit: no. |
| 05:10.15 | Whit | cld2: I used visudo. However, that was not what I asked. |
| 05:10.35 | BrownFrog | pickcoder: ok, so it being a normal file is fine then |
| 05:10.42 | cld2 | Whit: then no, the next time you use sudo it will read that new config file |
| 05:10.54 | BrownFrog | pickcoder: hard to say if they're screwed up or not; less says they're binary files |
| 05:10.56 | Whit | cld2: That's not what is happening :/ |
| 05:11.05 | pickcoder | BrownFrog: ls -l /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Los_Angeles |
| 05:11.19 | cld2 | do you have an error? did you use visudo? |
| 05:11.23 | Whit | I have inserted 'dkg ALL=(ALL) ALL' into the sudoers file, and the user dkg cannot use sudo. |
| 05:11.25 | dondelelcaro | BrownFrog: use tzdump to figure it out |
| 05:11.27 | BrownFrog | pickcoder: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1017 2007-03-10 21:17 /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Los_Angeles |
| 05:11.30 | Ralith | The debian netinst is kernel panic'ing (says "Code: Bad EIP value") when it tries to format /dev/hda1 with ext3 on an old machine of mine. What's going on, and how do I work around it? |
| 05:11.36 | pickcoder | same size.. who knows |
| 05:11.45 | pickcoder | try resetting to PDT then |
| 05:11.49 | pickcoder | or PST |
| 05:11.54 | pickcoder | whatever it is currently |
| 05:12.13 | Whit | Perhaps the user doesn't have the proper group-related permissions? |
| 05:12.19 | BrownFrog | pickcoder: PDT, thanks to recent changes in US law ;) |
| 05:12.26 | pickcoder | yeah.. fun stuff |
| 05:12.46 | pickcoder | been trying to organize a web demo with a guy in AU and the time changes there this weekend |
| 05:12.56 | cld2 | Whit: it looks like you arent asking what groups the user is part of, you are saying dkg all, not %dkg |
| 05:12.58 | BrownFrog | dondelelcaro: tzdump doesn't exist; know offhand which package it's in? |
| 05:13.15 | dondelelcaro | BrownFrog: sorry, I meant zdump |
| 05:13.26 | BrownFrog | dondelelcaro: ah, that I have ;) |
| 05:13.47 | MadDwarf | ok, have followed the instructions and they SEEMED to go through ok |
| 05:13.50 | BrownFrog | pickcoder: Sounds fun indeed; DST changes and cross-country conferences all at once ;) |
| 05:14.00 | MadDwarf | time to restart X |
| 05:14.14 | Whit | cld2: There is a group named "sudo".. is it a requirement that the user belongs to said group? |
| 05:14.15 | MadDwarf | brb |
| 05:14.24 | cld2 | is dotdeb.org a reputable source? |
| 05:14.25 | dondelelcaro | Whit: no |
| 05:14.27 | cld2 | Whit: no |
| 05:14.42 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: no bluetooth headset??? |
| 05:14.45 | Whit | cld2: could you suggest a solution? |
| 05:14.55 | hark | !dotdeb |
| 05:14.55 | dpkg | [dotdeb] for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 05:14.57 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: I don't talk on the phone enough to have one |
| 05:14.59 | cld2 | Whit: the option you had typed above says let this given user do anything, you arent even looking at groups. groups is used via % |
| 05:15.09 | pickcoder | heh |
| 05:15.25 | pickcoder | phones are made to ring voicemail systems |
| 05:15.28 | cld2 | Whit: did you use visudo? |
| 05:15.33 | cld2 | hark: thanks :) |
| 05:15.34 | Whit | cld2: I understand that, and I did shortly after you stated "no". |
| 05:16.29 | Whit | cld2: The changes have been made to the sudoers file.. therefore I must have used visudo? |
| 05:16.42 | cld2 | Whit: pastebin you sudoers file somewhere. |
| 05:16.42 | amphi | Whit: no |
| 05:17.09 | Whit | amphi: I was certain that it was possible to modify the sudoers file without using visudo. |
| 05:17.14 | Whit | *impossible |
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| 05:17.20 | cld2 | maybe, I dont know the magic of visudo to well, maybe it does some sort of rebuild or makes a bdb or something? |
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| 05:17.40 | dondelelcaro | Whit: no, it' snot. |
| 05:17.42 | amphi | Whit: it is quite possible |
| 05:17.42 | cld2 | Whit: nope, as root or with sudo you can hack it up in any editor |
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| 05:17.56 | Whit | Doesn't that defeat the purpose of visudo? |
| 05:18.05 | pickcoder | visudo keeps you from making stupid typing errors in an extremely important file |
| 05:18.07 | MadDwarf | ok, have installed drivers and rebooted X. at least i got back into gui this time |
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| 05:18.14 | Whit | Ah. |
| 05:18.16 | pickcoder | it's a smart editor specifically designed for sudo |
| 05:18.28 | amphi | Whit: visudo helps you by catching syntax errors, is all |
| 05:18.38 | cld2 | I have a question, if its vi sudo how come it uses, what ed? |
| 05:18.46 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: it's not, actually. |
| 05:18.47 | MadDwarf | glx info is showing Command Not Found |
| 05:18.55 | hark | install mesa-utils |
| 05:18.55 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: it's just a wrapper around sensible-editor |
| 05:19.04 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: technically.. no.. but in noob sp33k it is |
| 05:19.08 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 05:19.16 | cld2 | amphi: does it do any type of generation of a db or something? because visudo is working on a sudoers.tmp file that it merges into or copies over the sudoers file when yous save. |
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| 05:20.02 | hark | MadDwarf: and it's glxinfo (no space) |
| 05:20.18 | Pons | guys, has any of you ever seen a g4l (ghost for linux) package for debian? |
| 05:20.26 | amphi | cld2: db? I assume it uses a tmp file, that it overwrites the old sudoers with |
| 05:20.37 | MadDwarf | hark: yes, i typed with no space (CLI typin gis a lot more accurate than IRC typing for me |
| 05:21.06 | cld2 | amphi: ok, thats what I thought, just over writes with the new tmp you make. |
| 05:21.10 | MadDwarf | glxinfo is showing Dirct Rendering: yes glxgears is runing but not showing framerate |
| 05:21.21 | amphi | MadDwarf: use dictcomplete.pl for irc ;) |
| 05:21.23 | hark | MadDwarf: heh, ok. mesa-utils then :) |
| 05:21.41 | Whit | cld2: The only addition I've made to the sudoers file from the default "root" entry is "dkg ALL=(ALL) ALL" |
| 05:21.42 | hark | MadDwarf: use -printfps |
| 05:22.07 | hark | !congratulate MadDwarf |
| 05:22.07 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies MadDwarf, you did it! |
| 05:22.08 | MadDwarf | 19389 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3877.637 FPS |
| 05:22.09 | MadDwarf | 19176 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3835.084 FPS |
| 05:22.18 | MadDwarf | it aint sorted yet |
| 05:22.18 | cld2 | Whit: and when you look at /etc/sudoers that entry is there, correct? |
| 05:22.25 | Whit | cld2: Yes. |
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| 05:22.46 | hark | MadDwarf: what else? |
| 05:22.48 | cld2 | Whit: and dkg user exists? |
| 05:22.53 | Whit | .. yes. |
| 05:23.00 | cld2 | you never no man. had to ask |
| 05:23.00 | MadDwarf | hark: now to get NeverWinterNights running |
| 05:23.32 | Supaplex | how can I temporirly regulate or disable kernel block device caching? sync still keeps things in ram... |
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| 05:23.55 | cld2 | Whit: cat -v /etc/sudoers |
| 05:23.56 | Supaplex | trying to testing an odd senario, I'd like to isolate that possible cause. |
| 05:24.02 | MadDwarf | i followed the instructions on the website, not the factoid ""one-liner"" from here. it might be worth double-checking |
| 05:24.05 | dondelelcaro | Whit: and what does sudo ls; do? |
| 05:24.11 | pickcoder | neat.. I didn't know there was a Linux client for NWN |
| 05:24.17 | dondelelcaro | (as dkg) |
| 05:24.18 | hark | MadDwarf: heh, good luck then.. but you've got direct rendering now |
| 05:24.30 | Whit | dondelelcaro: Password error.. as if the user isn't in sudoers |
| 05:24.39 | MadDwarf | pickcoder: was released "in the box" (sort of) |
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| 05:24.42 | pickcoder | too bad Gothic3 doesn't run on Linux |
| 05:24.56 | BrownFrog | I managed to get the timezone problem fixed; I just ran tzconfig, set it to America/Los_Angeles, then rebooted (and corrected the time that Debian messed up during shutdown!) |
| 05:25.14 | Whit | cld2: I've already told you.. my entry already exists in sudoers. It just doesn't seem to be effective when the command sudo is used. |
| 05:25.14 | Sulo_Seppa | So, debian actually exists? |
| 05:25.28 | dondelelcaro | Whit: uh, no. That means that you don't know the password for dpkg |
| 05:25.30 | Supaplex | Sulo_Seppa: we're a figment of the internet |
| 05:25.31 | dondelelcaro | s/dpkg/dkg/ |
| 05:25.41 | Sulo_Seppa | I mean, I was thinking to myself, "Nobody would use this." Crazy! |
| 05:25.51 | cld2 | Whit: just wondering if there was some junk chars at the end of the dkg line |
| 05:25.51 | dondelelcaro | Whit: sudo will say "User not in sudoers file" if you actually know the password for your user |
| 05:26.03 | Sulo_Seppa | OK enough trolling, what do you guys prefer about it? |
| 05:26.09 | Sulo_Seppa | As opposed to other distros? |
| 05:26.15 | cld2 | apt |
| 05:26.17 | pickcoder | everything |
| 05:26.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell Sulo_Seppa -about why debian |
| 05:26.18 | Whit | dondelelcaro: News to me. Thanks |
| 05:26.20 | hark | Sulo_Seppa: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 05:26.23 | cld2 | /etc/alternatives |
| 05:26.27 | Supaplex | Sulo_Seppa: stable. clean upgrade path. FOSS. |
| 05:26.37 | cld2 | really FOSS :) |
| 05:27.05 | Whit | Eugh.. it was a completely retarded error on my part. Sorted. |
| 05:27.16 | Supaplex | super FOSS [insert fanfare here] |
| 05:27.42 | Supaplex | secure :) |
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| 05:28.19 | ardchoille | I have a good friend who is interested in using debian. She would like to know when Etch will be considered stable (out of testing?). Where can I find info about that? |
| 05:28.33 | centrx | it will happen very soon |
| 05:28.34 | pickcoder | watch the RC bugs |
| 05:28.40 | pickcoder | when they're all gone, it will be released |
| 05:28.46 | cld2 | because the "linux" admins at work that run SLES have no idea what to do with the debian boxes im building because they dont come with kde installed. |
| 05:28.47 | dondelelcaro | !rc bugs |
| 05:28.48 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 05:28.49 | Whit | I am having another minor problem at the moment. I'm running Gnome, and I've installed the packages mozilla-firefox and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support. Firefox just seems to be.. off. For example, when highlighting items from the menubar, the line fills with white, hiding the text and many other petty annoyances like that. |
| 05:28.54 | hark | hopefully a month or so at the most |
| 05:29.18 | Whit | No doubt it's because of my stupidity, but can anyone spot the problem? |
| 05:29.21 | centrx | ardchoille you can use etch now if you want |
| 05:29.45 | centrx | it's quite stable in the colloquial sense |
| 05:29.56 | pickcoder | wasn't too long ago that bug count was above 200 |
| 05:29.56 | cld2 | ardchoille: ive been using etch in production for a while now. |
| 05:30.10 | cld2 | well, 3 months. |
| 05:30.43 | ardchoille | centrx: She would like to use more recent software than what is in sarge but she dislikes having to fix too many things. She's heard that when a debian release is released as stable, it is rock solid. |
| 05:31.12 | ardchoille | I have told her that Etch will work for her. |
| 05:31.16 | pickcoder | er.. wordpress is going to be removed from stable? |
| 05:31.36 | MadDwarf | To Whom It MIght Concern: It could be worth double-checking the ""One-liner" nvidia install script you are handing out in the factoid. I have been having trouble with it, but following the line-by-line from the debian wiki seems to have worked fine. could there be an error in the script? |
| 05:31.38 | ardchoille | I'll just have her install Etch and I'll help her if needed. |
| 05:31.47 | ardchoille | cld2: Realy? That's good to know. |
| 05:32.18 | hark | ardchoille: just point her to #debian ;) |
| 05:32.34 | ardchoille | hark: I'll make a point of that :) |
| 05:32.47 | ardchoille | Thank you folks :) |
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| 05:33.34 | MadDwarf | out of interest, how long can a "one line fcomand " including && be? |
| 05:34.00 | MadDwarf | command* |
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| 05:34.10 | hark | that's cheating imo |
| 05:35.19 | pickcoder | if a package is pulled from Etch, will aptitude remove it later if it's already installed? |
| 05:35.27 | pickcoder | I've never encountered that before |
| 05:35.39 | MadDwarf | hark: thats what i'm wondering - after dealing with the nvidia "one-liner", which takes up several lines on my screen ... could i write a "one liner" that takes several days to type? |
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| 05:36.38 | hark | pickcoder: hmm no, shouldn't |
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| 05:36.52 | pickcoder | it just won't be listed for install or update |
| 05:37.02 | pickcoder | after it's released |
| 05:37.08 | pickcoder | it = Etc |
| 05:37.09 | pickcoder | h |
| 05:37.12 | niru | pickcoder:any idea on preseeding samba configuration |
| 05:38.01 | scruffy | installing debian for the first time in 7 years. the installer is defaulting to the selection kernel-image-2.4-58tsc -- what is the "tsc"? apt-cache on my sid machine doesn't give any hints. |
| 05:38.02 | MadDwarf | if i remember right, MS_DOS had a 256 character text-buffer? is this true of Linus? how long can "one line" be? |
| 05:38.10 | MadDwarf | s/linus/linux |
| 05:38.40 | cld2 | I think it would be up to your shell |
| 05:38.48 | Supaplex | MadDwarf: 32k, 64k. just depends on the shell. I suggest an $EDITOR if you reach those limits. |
| 05:38.49 | cld2 | solaris ksh can take 1024 chars |
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| 05:39.31 | Supaplex | mallocs on every keystroke, how sick would that be? :P |
| 05:40.56 | scruffy | sorry for bothering you all, I found the answer. |
| 05:42.00 | scruffy | pentium classic xD |
| 05:42.17 | Supaplex | the origional formula. mmmmm my favorite. |
| 05:43.36 | pickcoder | Supaplex: that wouldn't last long before it'd get exploited |
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| 05:47.21 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hello all, I have a problem. I burned a dvd with some big files on it and it seems to be slightly scrached and will not read a couple of spots on the dvd. I have the files at home however I only have 56K connection to home and the file is some 350 MB so it would take a few days by which time I would be home anyway. What I want to do is read the file from the dvd and fill in any missing pieces over the internet from home. Any idea`s on how I co |
| 05:47.21 | Gokee2_Laptop | uld do this? Thanks |
| 05:48.15 | scruffy | best question I've read all week, I think |
| 05:48.45 | pickcoder | Gokee2_Laptop: is it an exact copy of the dir? |
| 05:49.14 | Gokee2_Laptop | pickcoder, each file is a exact copy |
| 05:49.16 | BlueParrot | wow successful installation on first try \o/ |
| 05:49.16 | Supaplex | rsync, and/or dd conv=noerror |
| 05:49.26 | BlueParrot | Debian 1 - Fedora 0 |
| 05:49.26 | Gokee2_Laptop | (Exept for the bad spots) |
| 05:49.30 | pickcoder | yeah.. rsync is my vote |
| 05:49.56 | pickcoder | mount the DVD and copy what you can, then rsync from your home machine to your local machine |
| 05:50.19 | Supaplex | can debian boot with root=LABEL=foo like FC does? 2.6 stock sarge kernel. |
| 05:50.32 | MadDwarf | thanx for the help everyone, i seem to have my system working now ... at last ... now to boot into kde (this borked my 3D last time ...) |
| 05:50.51 | Gokee2_Laptop | pickcoder, The file will stop at 30 MB however its still good from about 31 to the end is there any way to also copy after the bad spot? |
| 05:51.43 | Supaplex | Gokee2_Laptop: dd if=source of=dest conv=noerror |
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| 05:52.34 | pickcoder | Supaplex: what does root=LABEL=foo do |
| 05:52.45 | Supaplex | uses ext2 disk labels |
| 05:52.51 | Supaplex | eg, tune2fs |
| 05:53.03 | pickcoder | which boot loader |
| 05:53.10 | Supaplex | grub |
| 05:53.26 | pickcoder | is FC using grub? |
| 05:53.38 | Supaplex | FC4 does |
| 05:54.17 | Supaplex | atleast on this remote dedicated box I'm installing debian to... |
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| 05:54.57 | pickcoder | I don't see why it wouldn't work |
| 05:55.00 | Supaplex | I guess I'll test on a vmware install before I busticate my real box. |
| 05:55.18 | pickcoder | you can always go into grub command prompt if it doesn't |
| 05:56.56 | pickcoder | unless you don't have a remote console |
| 05:56.56 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 05:59.03 | MadDwarf | is there a reliable way for GNU/linux/Debian/KDE to read ntfs file system? i have a windows drive i want to copy some data from. Last tiem i tried i struggled to get the NTFS to be read/write, and so could not change permissions, so could not get the data off |
| 05:59.22 | pengwyn | Is there any MYSPACE Captcha bypass on Debian? |
| 05:59.38 | pengwyn | (hope I am on the right channel) |
| 05:59.39 | pickcoder | !ntfs |
| 05:59.39 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
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| 06:01.17 | MadDwarf | thnx pickcoder. shall read up |
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| 06:01.39 | pickcoder | !ntfs-3g |
| 06:01.39 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, available in etch and Debian unstable. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 06:02.23 | pickcoder | you can also consider a windows share and a samba mount |
| 06:02.40 | pickcoder | provided you have a win box |
| 06:02.56 | MadDwarf | it is the same box, swappable hdd |
| 06:03.10 | pickcoder | I'd try ntfs-3g |
| 06:03.38 | BrownFrog | I have a shared FAT32 partition to pass data back and forth |
| 06:04.28 | BrownFrog | (though the plain ol' ntfs kernel driver can do read-only just fine for NTFS partitions) |
| 06:04.33 | pickcoder | I use a USB HDD |
| 06:04.40 | MadDwarf | BrownFrog: yes, i have, too ... i have usually made my data-partitions ntfs for just this reason ... but the particular drive i need today is in ntfs ... less easy |
| 06:05.00 | BrownFrog | MadDwarf: Ah, ok |
| 06:05.02 | MadDwarf | fat32, ratehr for data prtitions |
| 06:05.10 | BrownFrog | MadDwarf: Yeah, kinda figured ;) |
| 06:05.15 | MadDwarf | ;) |
| 06:05.33 | Gokee2_Laptop | Supaplex, ok its staying at 42 a long time getting lots of input/output errors... But its still going :) |
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| 06:06.00 | Gokee2_Laptop | its down to 200 kbs |
| 06:06.03 | scorpion | hi |
| 06:06.13 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hello scorpion |
| 06:08.00 | MadDwarf | ok kool, nexuiz (3d doom-clone) seems to run nice |
| 06:08.16 | Gokee2_Laptop | Supaplex, Its been stuck on the same byte for over 300 secs now... Will it move on sometime? |
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| 06:09.25 | MadDwarf | but my net-connection is still crawling ... |
| 06:09.47 | GreaseMonkey | hey, i've downloaded a few upgrades through apt-get, but they haven't been applied. how do i apply them? |
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| 06:10.40 | pengwyn | before my connection got nuked by my assinined-ness I was askin are there any MYSPACE captcha bypass in debian? |
| 06:11.17 | MadDwarf | woohoo! double-figure KB/s! |
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| 06:13.00 | pengwyn | I am already aware of http://www.glitchnyc.com/?page_id=117 |
| 06:13.33 | pengwyn | Mad Dwarf Cool for you? |
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| 06:14.13 | MadDwarf | better than 5mins ago! but i'm supposed to be on a 8meg connection! 8o( |
| 06:14.34 | MadDwarf | and i hav a coupl eof gig to d/l |
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| 06:16.25 | Gokee2_Laptop | its going on now |
| 06:17.05 | Gokee2_Laptop | MadDwarf, Be happy I only have a 56k here |
| 06:17.12 | Gokee2_Laptop | Its awfull |
| 06:17.36 | Gokee2_Laptop | I had almost forgot how bad is was using a shared 56k |
| 06:17.46 | Gokee2_Laptop | it is* |
| 06:19.04 | MadDwarf | Gokee2_Laptop: ouch. you're probly still gettign faster speeds than me tho 8o(( i reckon someone down the road is stealing all the bandwidth |
| 06:19.20 | Gokee2_Laptop | heh |
| 06:19.49 | Sazpaimon | so my cron.log is reporting a "WRONG SYMLINK OWNER" for a certain file in cron.d |
| 06:19.51 | Gokee2_Laptop | I look at a 10 MB file and say hmmm thats a overnight download |
| 06:20.01 | Sazpaimon | does it need to be root:root for it to execture? |
| 06:20.04 | Sazpaimon | *execute |
| 06:20.19 | GreaseMonkey | 10MB overnight? it should only take a couple of hours |
| 06:20.49 | MadDwarf | i just got "6 hours remaining" on my 10 meg d/l ... |
| 06:21.14 | Gokee2_Laptop | True but you can`t use the internet at all for the hours its downloading |
| 06:21.43 | Gokee2_Laptop | And normally you don`t have a chunk of 2-3 hours not using the internet at all |
| 06:22.00 | Gokee2_Laptop | Even google times out when I am apt-geting stuff |
| 06:22.55 | MadDwarf | anyhoo ... got my system as good as i can for now ... thnx for help all. gonna go crash out while i wait for d/l. sun is coming up |
| 06:25.56 | MadDwarf | byeee all, and thnx again |
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| 06:30.00 | pengwyn | IIRC it's like 1 MB per 15 minutes |
| 06:30.34 | pengwyn | 15 * 10 = 150 minutes ..e.g. 2+ hrs |
| 06:30.59 | pengwyn | I was on 56k for a long amount of years |
| 06:31.16 | pengwyn | actually 36k |
| 06:31.31 | pengwyn | which come out to 20k something |
| 06:31.58 | pengwyn | nevermind |
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| 06:34.02 | hark | !too slow |
| 06:34.04 | dpkg | it has been said that too slow is when you got a connection so slow, that by the time you download a days worth of updates to sid, it's the next day :/ |
| 06:34.36 | pengwyn | hah I did a SID download on a modem |
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| 06:34.54 | pengwyn | it was too slow though |
| 06:35.00 | hark | heh |
| 06:35.03 | pengwyn | two weeks? |
| 06:35.17 | pengwyn | about a week to get an OS |
| 06:36.06 | pengwyn | I would have paid for disks at the time |
| 06:36.15 | pengwyn | for real |
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| 06:36.45 | r00tintheb0x | yay |
| 06:36.47 | pengwyn | i thnk there was 9 disks |
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| 06:37.56 | r00tintheb0x | interesting time to come in on a conversation. |
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| 06:38.48 | GreaseMonkey | afk food |
| 06:38.56 | CJLucas | debian doesnt come installed with a firewall or anything does it? |
| 06:39.01 | pengwyn | no |
| 06:39.09 | pengwyn | you do iptables |
| 06:39.22 | pengwyn | or an external box |
| 06:39.31 | pengwyn | or somethin.. |
| 06:39.36 | CJLucas | i cant figure out why i cant connect to my smb server |
| 06:39.39 | CJLucas | christopher-lucas-computer:~ chris$ mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.107/homedir /Users/chris/Desktop/samba/ |
| 06:39.39 | CJLucas | mount_smbfs: negotiate phase failed: syserr = Connection refused |
| 06:39.55 | hark | !connection refused |
| 06:39.55 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 06:40.09 | pengwyn | syserr = connection refused is your answer |
| 06:40.11 | CJLucas | samba is running |
| 06:40.29 | pengwyn | open some ports |
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| 06:40.33 | CJLucas | thats why i asked about a firewall |
| 06:40.42 | pengwyn | aye |
| 06:40.46 | CJLucas | pengwyn: whats closing them? |
| 06:41.05 | pengwyn | try iptables -f (It flushes your rules, Go Offline first) |
| 06:41.11 | pengwyn | -F |
| 06:41.15 | pengwyn | rather ^^ |
| 06:41.35 | CJLucas | didnt do anything |
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| 06:41.49 | pengwyn | Sorry about that. |
| 06:41.50 | CJLucas | i mean it didnt fix it |
| 06:41.54 | pengwyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.58 | CJLucas | ya i did |
| 06:42.00 | pengwyn | BUT GO OFFLINE |
| 06:42.06 | CJLucas | ah ok |
| 06:42.16 | pengwyn | you know what I mean. |
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| 06:42.31 | pengwyn | Unplug then try, then restore your rules |
| 06:42.39 | pengwyn | Then analyze |
| 06:43.10 | CJLucas | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.18 | CJLucas | that'll work right? |
| 06:43.26 | pengwyn | no |
| 06:43.32 | pengwyn | I dunno what you have setup |
| 06:43.40 | pengwyn | it could be ANYTHING |
| 06:43.40 | CJLucas | im connected to a server via ssh |
| 06:43.54 | pengwyn | Well be carefull with ANYTHING I SAY |
| 06:43.55 | CJLucas | so i cant flush the rules if my NIC is down |
| 06:44.06 | markybob | CJLucas, your samba is probably just misconfigured. use nmap from a different computer to see if the port is responding |
| 06:44.08 | pengwyn | yeah you CAN flush the rules |
| 06:44.37 | CJLucas | i flushed it |
| 06:44.37 | pengwyn | probably a BAD suggestion on my pqrt |
| 06:44.47 | pengwyn | pqrt == part |
| 06:44.54 | CJLucas | oh well :P |
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| 06:44.59 | CJLucas | still didnt fix it |
| 06:45.10 | pengwyn | then at least bring your rules back up |
| 06:45.16 | CJLucas | how? |
| 06:45.18 | pengwyn | Try something else |
| 06:45.50 | pengwyn | iptables -L -n | more can show you have rules up on a big sys |
| 06:46.21 | pengwyn | I dunno what starts your firewall |
| 06:46.25 | pengwyn | apf? |
| 06:46.37 | Snuggles2000 | I downloaded the WinRar program for linux, but I can only execute the rar file from the rar directory. |
| 06:46.40 | pengwyn | I don't know |
| 06:46.41 | BlueParrot | right, so if I got this right I shoudl theoretically only need two lines in my sources.list ? one for security updates and one for everything else ? |
| 06:46.55 | Snuggles2000 | Do I need to create a symlink to access the executable anywhere on the host filesystem? |
| 06:47.17 | CJLucas | Snuggles2000: put the executeable in /usr/bin |
| 06:47.32 | markybob | BlueParrot, right |
| 06:47.34 | pengwyn | Good, glad you know paths bro |
| 06:48.00 | Snuggles2000 | The exec and all the files it calls, I assume? Well, if it makes any..dunno if it does yet. |
| 06:48.01 | BlueParrot | good good |
| 06:48.03 | markybob | Snuggles2000, why use winrar in linux when there are native alternatives? |
| 06:48.06 | pengwyn | I gave you BAD advice and I am sorry CJLucas |
| 06:48.16 | CJLucas | its fine |
| 06:48.18 | pengwyn | restart that firewall |
| 06:48.26 | Snuggles2000 | There are? o_O Yikes. I never knew there was a native implementation of rar. |
| 06:48.31 | pengwyn | don't panic or nothing. |
| 06:48.36 | pengwyn | but restart it |
| 06:48.39 | Snuggles2000 | I mean, besides tar. |
| 06:48.44 | CJLucas | pengwyn: with apf? |
| 06:48.52 | pengwyn | I dunno what you start it with |
| 06:48.55 | CJLucas | lol |
| 06:49.10 | pengwyn | if your using apf then yes |
| 06:49.12 | markybob | Snuggles2000, use gnome? |
| 06:49.18 | CJLucas | pengwyn: i dont have a firewall |
| 06:49.24 | pengwyn | Oh crap |
| 06:49.29 | pengwyn | and it's a server? |
| 06:49.31 | markybob | CJLucas, which is *why* i told you what i did. c'mon |
| 06:49.35 | pengwyn | exposed to the web? |
| 06:49.40 | CJLucas | pengwyn: no its not |
| 06:49.41 | Snuggles2000 | gnome reads into rars? Wow..no idea it could do that. |
| 06:49.45 | pengwyn | okay. |
| 06:49.48 | CJLucas | its behind a university firewall |
| 06:49.50 | CJLucas | its only for my user |
| 06:49.51 | CJLucas | use |
| 06:49.55 | CJLucas | so im not worried |
| 06:49.59 | pengwyn | good to go. |
| 06:50.04 | CJLucas | k |
| 06:50.11 | pengwyn | but still you should have a firewall |
| 06:50.14 | markybob | Snuggles2000, gnome uses file-roller, which is a general, all-purpose compression utility that uses everything from rar to zip to gz to bz |
| 06:50.21 | pengwyn | make one |
| 06:50.24 | Snuggles2000 | hmm...nice. |
| 06:51.03 | pengwyn | I need something that goes through MYSPACE captcha's |
| 06:51.10 | pengwyn | that's my dilemma |
| 06:51.11 | markybob | Snuggles2000, btw...apt-get install unrar if you want file-roller to be able to work with rar files |
| 06:51.16 | pengwyn | to add friends |
| 06:51.17 | Snuggles2000 | I'll have to delete WinRar then, haha. |
| 06:51.27 | Snuggles2000 | Ahh I see. |
| 06:52.01 | Snuggles2000 | So by default, more or less, the supported formats are tar, gz, bz and zip? |
| 06:52.05 | pengwyn | winrar is a windows program not linux |
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| 06:52.34 | pengwyn | Half the name is WIN |
| 06:52.40 | markybob | Snuggles2000, zip is not. apt-get install unzip |
| 06:52.43 | pengwyn | that ain't linux |
| 06:52.55 | markybob | pengwyn, sorry to break it to you... |
| 06:52.59 | markybob | pengwyn, there's a linux version |
| 06:53.08 | Snuggles2000 | lol pengwyn, I was just glad it had a port to Linux, but I had no idea GNOME had a built in mechanism for it. |
| 06:53.09 | pengwyn | didn't say there wasnt |
| 06:53.14 | pengwyn | But it ain |
| 06:53.17 | pengwyn | 't winrar |
| 06:53.22 | markybob | it is winrar |
| 06:53.25 | pengwyn | it's RAR / UNRAR |
| 06:53.48 | pengwyn | okay.. if you say so |
| 06:53.53 | BlueParrot | uhm, is there like a new release tomorrow or something ? |
| 06:54.05 | pengwyn | i have a binary called rar and unrar |
| 06:54.12 | markybob | CJLucas, scanned the ports with nmap yet? |
| 06:54.13 | BlueParrot | because I keep getting this little notification thingy saying there is updates available :P |
| 06:54.16 | pengwyn | no binary called winrar |
| 06:54.23 | CJLucas | markybob: nope |
| 06:54.31 | pengwyn | locate winrar NOT FOUND |
| 06:54.46 | GreaseMonkey | i need to go right now, cya all |
| 06:54.47 | markybob | BlueParrot, what are you using? stable/testing/sid? |
| 06:54.48 | r00tintheb0x | lol |
| 06:55.03 | r00tintheb0x | apt-get install unrar rar |
| 06:55.15 | r00tintheb0x | there is no winrar |
| 06:55.16 | pengwyn | there ya go ^^^^^^^^^^^ expert advice |
| 06:55.21 | r00tintheb0x | there's file-roller |
| 06:55.27 | r00tintheb0x | which is winrarish |
| 06:55.30 | markybob | r00tintheb0x, go to the winrar website and see if there's a linux download, why dont you |
| 06:55.33 | Snuggles2000 | Your jedi mind trix will nto work on me r00t! |
| 06:55.35 | hark | don't install rar, just use unrar |
| 06:55.37 | BlueParrot | markybob: etch at the moment |
| 06:55.40 | r00tintheb0x | oh my bad |
| 06:55.46 | Snuggles2000 | Okay, so seriously... What's a safe way to delete directories with stuff in them? |
| 06:55.57 | Snuggles2000 | Well, a safe way to remove the directory and all its contents. |
| 06:56.07 | markybob | BlueParrot, well there you go. testing gets updates semi-regularly before release |
| 06:56.15 | BlueParrot | Snuggles2000: cd into teh directory , then delete everything using rm -rf * , then cd out of it and delete it with rm -r |
| 06:56.25 | markybob | Snuggles2000, safe as in cant be ever recovered...or just deleted? |
| 06:56.29 | Snuggles2000 | lol |
| 06:56.39 | r00tintheb0x | heh |
| 06:56.40 | Snuggles2000 | Well, I hear a ton of bad stuff about rm -r, for instance. |
| 06:56.47 | BlueParrot | Snuggles2000: trust me you do NOT want to do an rm -rf in a directory you don't have to |
| 06:56.48 | pengwyn | rm -rf * is actually dangerous |
| 06:56.58 | markybob | Snuggles2000, because you fuck yourself if you have a typo |
| 06:57.00 | r00tintheb0x | mv -r /whatever/you/want/to/delete /to/a/backup/directory |
| 06:57.03 | pengwyn | you never know if your in the CORRECT pwd |
| 06:57.03 | r00tintheb0x | =) |
| 06:57.05 | Snuggles2000 | Yep thought so pengwyn..relaly not doing it. |
| 06:57.06 | BlueParrot | pengwyn: thats why you do it inside the directory before removing it |
| 06:57.23 | BlueParrot | oh heh , yea that can fuck up ... |
| 06:57.26 | hark | you could set an alias to mv it into a trash folder say |
| 06:57.28 | BlueParrot | had fun with that once |
| 06:57.32 | Snuggles2000 | I"m sooo glad I didn't do that |
| 06:57.37 | r00tintheb0x | yeah unless you're REAL sure of yourself. |
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| 06:58.02 | pengwyn | better to rm -rf /some/fscking/path/to/some/shite/* |
| 06:58.15 | r00tintheb0x | yeah i do that |
| 06:58.18 | pengwyn | long hand type it out |
| 06:58.28 | r00tintheb0x | i don't recommend others do. |
| 06:58.33 | pengwyn | You can messup in mc that way sometimes |
| 06:58.47 | pengwyn | thinkin your in one dir, but your not |
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| 06:58.59 | r00tintheb0x | or on a whole other machine |
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| 06:59.00 | r00tintheb0x | heh |
| 06:59.03 | r00tintheb0x | ive done that before |
| 06:59.03 | Snuggles2000 | hmm..what's with the -f option? Why would non-existant files....exist? o_O |
| 06:59.04 | pengwyn | lol |
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| 06:59.08 | pengwyn | YEP that too |
| 06:59.10 | r00tintheb0x | force Snuggles2000 |
| 06:59.21 | Snuggles2000 | Does Linux sometimes think files exist when they really don't? |
| 06:59.28 | r00tintheb0x | Snuggles2000, no. |
| 06:59.37 | pengwyn | I agree no |
| 06:59.46 | r00tintheb0x | They're there, you just dont know where they are :D |
| 06:59.46 | Kevin` | Snuggles2000 I suppose it's possible, but it would be an exceptional case |
| 06:59.58 | r00tintheb0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.01 | r00tintheb0x | that'll find it; |
| 07:00.08 | r00tintheb0x | dont do that updatedb && locate blahblah crap |
| 07:00.16 | Snuggles2000 | o.o |
| 07:00.19 | r00tintheb0x | :) |
| 07:00.26 | pengwyn | which updatedb |
| 07:00.31 | r00tintheb0x | slocate DB |
| 07:00.32 | pengwyn | ;o) |
| 07:00.38 | r00tintheb0x | Berkley DB |
| 07:00.48 | Snuggles2000 | Ahh, so Linux (or is it the filesystem?) keeps tabs on files and where they're at at all times? |
| 07:01.10 | Snuggles2000 | So in a sense -f bypasses some sort of a check with this "database"? |
| 07:01.11 | r00tintheb0x | with slocate it does. |
| 07:01.12 | pengwyn | pretty much untill you move the binaries around like I DO |
| 07:01.15 | r00tintheb0x | i think find just spiders |
| 07:01.27 | r00tintheb0x | no find will find anything at any time |
| 07:01.34 | r00tintheb0x | unless it moves during the find. |
| 07:01.44 | Snuggles2000 | Nah I mean force r00t. |
| 07:01.48 | pengwyn | heh which IS possible |
| 07:02.08 | Snuggles2000 | Hmm..very interesting. |
| 07:02.10 | r00tintheb0x | um no |
| 07:02.12 | r00tintheb0x | with permissions. |
| 07:02.14 | r00tintheb0x | and usage |
| 07:02.25 | pengwyn | mv /usr/local/bin/exim /usr/local/bin/exim.not |
| 07:02.25 | r00tintheb0x | the database is just an index of files. |
| 07:02.42 | r00tintheb0x | or exim.old |
| 07:02.42 | pengwyn | whoops no more exim |
| 07:02.46 | r00tintheb0x | or exim.1 =) |
| 07:02.51 | pengwyn | can't start. |
| 07:02.53 | pengwyn | no spam |
| 07:02.59 | Kevin` | I like exim.old1 |
| 07:02.59 | r00tintheb0x | or my fav |
| 07:03.01 | Kevin` | ;) |
| 07:03.03 | r00tintheb0x | exim.old.date |
| 07:03.03 | pengwyn | DDoS on hold |
| 07:03.07 | r00tintheb0x | lol |
| 07:03.09 | pengwyn | lol |
| 07:03.15 | r00tintheb0x | pqn QQ |
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| 07:03.23 | r00tintheb0x | its like... 2am |
| 07:03.28 | r00tintheb0x | ive gotta go to sleep at some point. |
| 07:03.42 | Snuggles2000 | Hmm..so that's what Exim is. I saw some mention of..Exim3 or something when I installed Debian. |
| 07:03.50 | r00tintheb0x | oh man |
| 07:03.51 | r00tintheb0x | :) |
| 07:03.52 | pengwyn | I gotta crack my neck and make a TV show |
| 07:04.03 | BlueParrot | only 2 am ? :P |
| 07:04.04 | r00tintheb0x | make it with puppets and pickles |
| 07:04.09 | BlueParrot | what timezone are you in ? |
| 07:04.09 | Snuggles2000 | and socks! |
| 07:04.15 | pengwyn | Oh the puppet show! yes |
| 07:04.16 | Snuggles2000 | GMT...-6? |
| 07:04.19 | r00tintheb0x | Snuggles2000, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exim |
| 07:04.33 | r00tintheb0x | perfection personified. |
| 07:04.36 | Snuggles2000 | It's like 12am here lol |
| 07:04.39 | r00tintheb0x | thats swank! |
| 07:04.54 | pengwyn | I don't hate exim, I hate cpanel |
| 07:05.13 | r00tintheb0x | WORD! |
| 07:05.14 | Snuggles2000 | O it's a mailer, interesting. |
| 07:05.15 | r00tintheb0x | and ENSIM |
| 07:05.18 | r00tintheb0x | and PLESK |
| 07:05.19 | Snuggles2000 | Life in GMT would be so much simpler... |
| 07:05.23 | r00tintheb0x | and Urchin |
| 07:05.53 | pengwyn | no need to gag |
| 07:05.56 | r00tintheb0x | my bad. |
| 07:05.58 | pengwyn | it's the way it is |
| 07:06.11 | pengwyn | I dunno what the answer is. Fine tuning |
| 07:06.11 | r00tintheb0x | not for myself. |
| 07:06.13 | scruffy | !burp |
| 07:06.23 | r00tintheb0x | i try to redirect people to proper *NIX practices |
| 07:06.30 | markybob | wtf? is that guy gonna report back on scanning that samba box or what? |
| 07:06.36 | r00tintheb0x | i babysit about 20 solaris servers at work |
| 07:06.42 | r00tintheb0x | on one machine, our ticketing system. |
| 07:06.48 | r00tintheb0x | there's 8 different installs of java |
| 07:07.00 | Snuggles2000 | o.o jesus.. |
| 07:07.01 | r00tintheb0x | and 5 different installs of apache |
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| 07:07.06 | Snuggles2000 | why? |
| 07:07.08 | pengwyn | I hope he does an FTP instead of samba personally |
| 07:07.11 | r00tintheb0x | yeah, its a cluster _ _ _ _ |
| 07:07.18 | pengwyn | or SFTP rather |
| 07:07.25 | r00tintheb0x | old admins that were there before me... everyone has their hands in the box. |
| 07:07.32 | r00tintheb0x | samba?! |
| 07:07.33 | Snuggles2000 | lol |
| 07:07.34 | r00tintheb0x | for what. |
| 07:08.04 | Snuggles2000 | samba...sounds like salsa o.o |
| 07:08.06 | r00tintheb0x | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunos <---- MMM |
| 07:08.10 | pengwyn | r00tintheb0x: When I got to work on my first box, I found it had NO FIREWALL |
| 07:08.13 | r00tintheb0x | samba is NetBIOS for UNIX |
| 07:08.21 | pengwyn | and that was for OVER A YEAR |
| 07:08.21 | r00tintheb0x | lol pengwyn |
| 07:08.25 | Snuggles2000 | Hm..pretty important then! |
| 07:08.27 | r00tintheb0x | dang, a companies? |
| 07:08.42 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:08.46 | pengwyn | yeah an ISP even |
| 07:08.54 | Snuggles2000 | O, on that subject actually. I've heard that iptables is the best firewall for *nix machines; is this true? |
| 07:09.00 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: no. |
| 07:09.01 | markybob | samba is used everywhere. i've yet to work for a company that didnt use samba to control access to files for their employees |
| 07:09.08 | r00tintheb0x | lol |
| 07:09.12 | Kevin` | you shound't need a firewall on most linux systems |
| 07:09.15 | r00tintheb0x | samba is a joke. |
| 07:09.17 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: pf is the best, however it's not in linux. |
| 07:09.17 | r00tintheb0x | NFS rocks. |
| 07:09.19 | pengwyn | (mind you this ain't networks that I put together) |
| 07:09.27 | BlueParrot | hmmm, I'm not sure I quite understand aptitude. When is it that it randomly decides to hold back packages ? |
| 07:09.29 | Snuggles2000 | I knew it! So is iptables mostly just a common-user solution? |
| 07:09.34 | r00tintheb0x | nis+nfs=A+ |
| 07:09.35 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: no. |
| 07:09.45 | markybob | Snuggles2000, 99% of firewalls that you hear about are just front-ends to iptables so you dont have to configure it by hand |
| 07:09.51 | pengwyn | I got a question that probably ain't popular |
| 07:09.56 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: iptables is good; it's industrial-strength and badass. But pf is better. |
| 07:09.58 | r00tintheb0x | PIX's rock |
| 07:10.01 | Snuggles2000 | BlueParrot, supposedly it's a dependency thing :/ From what I hear. |
| 07:10.02 | Kevin` | Snuggles2000 iptables is normally used on a router/firewall box, or a server |
| 07:10.07 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: for someone like you, the best firewall is no firewall at all. |
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| 07:10.13 | markybob | Snuggles2000, so, do it by hand or use a 'friendly script' to do it for you' |
| 07:10.13 | Kevin` | Snuggles2000 where specific control is desired |
| 07:10.13 | r00tintheb0x | PIXes = 486's w/UNIX |
| 07:10.18 | pengwyn | if linux packet sequences can be predicted, why ain't we all using FBSD? |
| 07:10.28 | pengwyn | Just askin |
| 07:10.34 | r00tintheb0x | lol |
| 07:10.36 | markybob | pengwyn, i do use fbsd |
| 07:10.41 | pengwyn | So do i |
| 07:10.49 | r00tintheb0x | snoop on solaris is nice |
| 07:10.50 | pengwyn | I use the OS that works for the job |
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| 07:10.56 | Snuggles2000 | Guerin: Don't get me wrong, I'm a networking geek (moreso than other things), but I still need to get used to *nix. |
| 07:10.58 | r00tintheb0x | its a lot like packet capturing with FreeBSD |
| 07:11.01 | pengwyn | but... |
| 07:11.04 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: hahaha |
| 07:11.07 | pengwyn | with hosting, etc. etc. |
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| 07:11.18 | Kevin` | I don't consider tcp to be a secure protocol, if sequence numbers can be predicted so be it =p |
| 07:11.21 | Guerin | a `networking geek' who wants to know what `the best firewall for *nix' is |
| 07:11.22 | r00tintheb0x | i suck @ everything equally. |
| 07:11.23 | Guerin | hilarious |
| 07:11.28 | r00tintheb0x | but i have a good time and i make a buck |
| 07:11.44 | r00tintheb0x | so its all gravy |
| 07:11.44 | r00tintheb0x | :) |
| 07:11.44 | r00tintheb0x | and i get to play with snazzy hardware |
| 07:11.45 | pengwyn | Give me a Buck |
| 07:11.53 | pengwyn | not that kinda buck |
| 07:11.58 | r00tintheb0x | :) |
| 07:11.58 | Snuggles2000 | Well hey, at least I asked the question Guerin. |
| 07:11.59 | markybob | Guerin, glad i'm no longer here alone to enjoy it ;) i was feeling guilty |
| 07:12.10 | Guerin | markybob: heh |
| 07:12.12 | r00tintheb0x | hah |
| 07:12.15 | BlueParrot | hmmm, wikipedia claims pf is the only one with full IPv6 support |
| 07:12.18 | pengwyn | r00tintheb0x: is related to BOFH I can tell |
| 07:12.20 | Guerin | markybob: i previously just lackewd a router box |
| 07:12.32 | Kevin` | hmm wait, aren't sequence numbers sequential anyway =p |
| 07:12.34 | r00tintheb0x | negative ghostrider, the buffer pattern is full. |
| 07:12.40 | pengwyn | direct decendant |
| 07:12.49 | r00tintheb0x | lol |
| 07:13.02 | r00tintheb0x | its CIGGYTIME! |
| 07:13.04 | Kevin` | bieng a direct descendent of the bofh is a good thing |
| 07:13.15 | pengwyn | it is. |
| 07:13.31 | pengwyn | Kevin`: is lit! |
| 07:13.52 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: asking a stupid question is better than not asking a question at all? |
| 07:14.10 | markybob | unless you're using ubuntu |
| 07:14.10 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: the concept of `firewall' you have is meaningless. |
| 07:14.11 | Kevin` | I ask lots of stupid questions I could have avoided asking |
| 07:14.25 | BlueParrot | asking a stupid question is better than trying to do it yourself and then moan at the developers when you break it :P |
| 07:14.35 | pwnageQQ | lol Guerin |
| 07:14.37 | Snuggles2000 | You never really asked me how I conceptualized a firewall Guerin. I was asking if a common myth was true, that's all. |
| 07:14.37 | pwnageQQ | lol lol |
| 07:14.43 | pengwyn | there needs to be more loyalty to debian than ubantu |
| 07:14.49 | pwnageQQ | YEAH |
| 07:15.05 | pengwyn | ubantu is great. don't get me wrong, but where are the roots? |
| 07:15.08 | pwnageQQ | pengwyn, debian needs to get off the stick and get some developers who give a tinkers hoot. |
| 07:15.13 | Guerin | pwnageQQ: philly |
| 07:15.16 | Guerin | oops |
| 07:15.18 | Guerin | pengwyn: philly |
| 07:15.32 | Kevin` | Snuggles2000 I really like iptables as a firewall. some people like the bsd options better or less. most would never say anthing for windows is better. that about sum it up? :) |
| 07:15.34 | pengwyn | you mean philipe |
| 07:15.39 | markybob | anyone else think it's hilarious that i'm permanently banned from #ubuntu? |
| 07:15.45 | r00tintheb0x | i guess |
| 07:15.52 | r00tintheb0x | im permabanned from #lfd |
| 07:15.54 | Guerin | r00tintheb0x: debian needs sideliners to STFU and start contributing if they want people to care for their opinions |
| 07:16.03 | pengwyn | markybob: no |
| 07:16.03 | BlueParrot | personally I didn't really like ubuntu, I ended up with a broken X server every time there was a kernel update because it didn't fall back to nv when the nvidia drivers didn't like the new kernel |
| 07:16.09 | Guerin | pengwyn: no. The Roots are in Philly |
| 07:16.13 | Snuggles2000 | Yeah Kevin`, thanks :) |
| 07:16.14 | Guerin | or at least FROM philly |
| 07:16.27 | BlueParrot | was probably just me doing something wrong tho ... |
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| 07:16.34 | pengwyn | Guerin, my bad Phillip == Philly == philipe |
| 07:16.46 | Guerin | philly == philadelphia |
| 07:16.46 | pengwyn | I am phil |
| 07:16.51 | pengwyn | lol |
| 07:16.56 | Kevin` | Snuggles2000 in order to take advantage of the "better" at all, you really do have to learn how it works though |
| 07:17.04 | concept10 | markybob, ive been banned twice |
| 07:17.24 | Snuggles2000 | Yeah. I was mainly wondering whether I should look into iptables or something different. |
| 07:17.32 | concept10 | Guerin, youre talking about the band? |
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| 07:17.46 | Guerin | !win concept10 |
| 07:17.46 | markybob | concept10, they asked, i told them, i was right, but i got slapped for cursing. did you know that you cant curse in there? it's worse than california |
| 07:17.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, concept10! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 07:18.03 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: ok |
| 07:18.12 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: this is the point: you don't know what the fuck you're on about |
| 07:18.29 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: if you're on any sort of gnu/linux, your firewall will be iptables |
| 07:18.35 | markybob | fucking little princesses have to maintain their innocence |
| 07:18.36 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: that's the only real choice you have |
| 07:18.43 | concept10 | State of #debian: I welcome you all tonight... We need to reduce our dependency on GPL v2 ... |
| 07:18.45 | pengwyn | Snuggles2000: Learn IPTABLES it WONT HURT |
| 07:18.51 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: other unices have different tools |
| 07:19.10 | markybob | concept10, um...why? |
| 07:19.14 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: this is why your question was stupid, not for any other reason |
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| 07:19.19 | pengwyn | learn ipchains too |
| 07:19.21 | r00tintheb0x | ubuntu is financially backed by a millionaire out to kick Microsoft off its proverbial throne. |
| 07:19.28 | markybob | concept10, your propose what instead? |
| 07:19.36 | Guerin | markybob: GPLv3 |
| 07:19.40 | pengwyn | ya never know when your gonna find a box bricked up in a wall running for 7 years. |
| 07:19.52 | r00tintheb0x | heh |
| 07:19.54 | markybob | oh hell no |
| 07:20.01 | Guerin | GPLv3 > * |
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| 07:20.21 | concept10 | markybob, I go in there sometimes and ask a stupid question just to see the crazy answers I get |
| 07:20.46 | concept10 | markybob, you get a hundred noobs throwing bot answers for shit you dont even need |
| 07:20.55 | Guerin | concept10: awesom |
| 07:20.56 | Guerin | e |
| 07:21.12 | markybob | concept10, i was actually trying to help. fuckers |
| 07:21.23 | pengwyn | maybe I should go there and ask my MYSPACE Captcha question |
| 07:21.29 | pengwyn | lol |
| 07:21.36 | markybob | i dont know why myspace even gets mentioned in irc |
| 07:21.42 | pengwyn | oh man |
| 07:21.48 | Guerin | tardspace |
| 07:21.53 | markybob | irc is the last refuge. please. |
| 07:21.54 | concept10 | i look at it this way.. debian is for grown ups.. ubuntu is for general public |
| 07:22.09 | pengwyn | don't go there. it sucks I agree but it is a way to distribute music. |
| 07:22.23 | pengwyn | and the more friends, the more you distribute |
| 07:22.44 | pengwyn | the more you can get folks to come to your shows and PAY |
| 07:22.57 | pengwyn | so where's the bad? |
| 07:23.08 | concept10 | im working on a distro based on debian called barfight gnu/linux |
| 07:23.11 | pengwyn | the Crap .CSS and html? I agree |
| 07:23.21 | Guerin | pengwyn: wheres the `why the fuck are you talking about this on #debian'? |
| 07:23.22 | markybob | where's the bad? you started off with "it sucks i agree" |
| 07:23.34 | concept10 | hehe |
| 07:23.36 | markybob | that too. |
| 07:24.12 | pengwyn | I agree but... |
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| 07:24.36 | pengwyn | and because maybe someone knows some CAPTCHA bypass methods |
| 07:24.47 | pengwyn | up to date. they change you know |
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| 07:24.54 | Guerin | pengwyn: please to be offucking |
| 07:24.56 | BlueParrot | oh just wait until the hurd is released it will be aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages until other distros get ported, then we will see who laughs last :P |
| 07:25.07 | markybob | ths is why i saw every male should be forced to join the military |
| 07:25.23 | Guerin | markybob: is this so you get more new recruits on your boat? |
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| 07:25.25 | pengwyn | I am USAF Veteran |
| 07:25.26 | Guerin | sorry |
| 07:25.29 | pengwyn | bud |
| 07:25.29 | Guerin | `vessel' |
| 07:25.30 | BlueParrot | markybob: they would kick me out again fairly quickly I am sure : ) |
| 07:25.33 | concept10 | BlueParrot, im waiting on debian gnu/solaris |
| 07:25.50 | markybob | Guerin, no, i'm out, actually. free and clear |
| 07:25.55 | Guerin | markybob: ah, win |
| 07:26.11 | pengwyn | anyway I'll drop the fsckingmyspaceshite |
| 07:26.30 | concept10 | I want Debian GNU/Solaris with Aqua front end... thats the best distro |
| 07:26.57 | pengwyn | where the hell are those Solaris disks? |
| 07:27.01 | Guerin | markybob: we did a very bad thing once ... we were in a bar, drinking, and a dozen 18 year-old french sailors (from the french naval vessel docked in port) came in and asked `vhere do ve find ze girls?' - so we sent them to the local gay bar |
| 07:27.02 | BlueParrot | gogo gadget comodore 64 |
| 07:27.03 | pengwyn | they never came |
| 07:27.13 | Guerin | markybob: they were in uniform :) |
| 07:27.36 | markybob | Guerin, nicely done :) heh |
| 07:27.39 | concept10 | Guerin, i dont believe it |
| 07:27.56 | BlueParrot | I'm sure at least one of them was gay :P |
| 07:27.56 | pengwyn | Guerin that's evil |
| 07:28.04 | Guerin | concept10: not a word of a lie. My flatmate was a DJ at said gay bar, and she arranged for them to be let in free of charge. |
| 07:28.14 | pengwyn | Guerin, but if they fall for it their fuckin tards |
| 07:28.20 | Guerin | pengwyn: why? |
| 07:28.42 | concept10 | well, I guess I cant speak for french sailors |
| 07:28.42 | Guerin | it's not like it was a feathers and george michael impresonation bar |
| 07:28.43 | BlueParrot | I like how the local gay bar over here is dorr to door with a methodist church |
| 07:28.48 | pengwyn | O cam |
| 07:28.54 | pengwyn | I can't either ^ |
| 07:29.00 | pengwyn | I was USAF |
| 07:29.06 | Guerin | it's just a normal bar where people go to pick up folk of the same, rather than the opposite, sex |
| 07:29.07 | pengwyn | I wouldn't go for that shit |
| 07:29.15 | concept10 | no wonder you like myspace |
| 07:29.22 | concept10 | heh\ |
| 07:29.33 | pengwyn | I DONT LIKE myspace |
| 07:29.51 | concept10 | okay, okay :) |
| 07:29.51 | pengwyn | I have to use it because I have a fucking TV show |
| 07:30.00 | markybob | or SHOES. look at these new shoes i got, guys. |
| 07:30.11 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:30.23 | pengwyn | and there are THOUSANDS of bands that have ONLY an OFFICIAL website on MYSPACE |
| 07:30.32 | concept10 | I miss being a sailor pulling into port in a new country.. best shit ever |
| 07:30.40 | pengwyn | totally legit bands, that are bad ass |
| 07:30.45 | markybob | concept10, me too |
| 07:30.51 | Snuggles2000 | :/ That's sad pengwyn. |
| 07:30.54 | Guerin | pengwyn: s/ ass// |
| 07:31.07 | Guerin | or s/bad // |
| 07:31.23 | pengwyn | or f/sk/in/bull |
| 07:31.25 | concept10 | I spent a two years in the persian gulf just to spend 2-3 weeks in australia |
| 07:31.48 | pengwyn | what kind of music do you like? |
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| 07:31.56 | markybob | concept10, which battleship? |
| 07:31.57 | pengwyn | Black Death Metal? |
| 07:32.03 | Guerin | the kind which gets talked about in #music |
| 07:32.25 | concept10 | heh |
| 07:32.28 | pengwyn | I dunno about that #music channel |
| 07:32.43 | pengwyn | I actually DEAL with record companies and PRODUCE videos |
| 07:32.46 | concept10 | markybob, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cowpens_(CG-63) |
| 07:32.53 | pengwyn | so whatever the F your sayin. |
| 07:33.01 | Guerin | !your |
| 07:33.02 | dpkg | it has been said that your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 07:33.24 | markybob | concept10, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bataan_%28LHD-5%29 one of mine |
| 07:33.26 | pengwyn | ( whatever the F you sayin ) |
| 07:33.38 | pengwyn | ( whatever the F you are sayin ) |
| 07:33.43 | pengwyn | there we go |
| 07:33.52 | pengwyn | language barrier aparently |
| 07:34.03 | Guerin | i thought it was just an intellect barrier |
| 07:35.07 | concept10 | markybob, you were in norfolk? |
| 07:35.09 | pengwyn | hey I'm all for good music man. But the BANDS are where it's att |
| 07:35.21 | markybob | concept10, for half, yes |
| 07:35.23 | pengwyn | and they are a LOT of times on myspace |
| 07:35.33 | pengwyn | you want indy. MYSPACE |
| 07:35.40 | pengwyn | you want free MYSPACE |
| 07:36.10 | Guerin | pengwyn: i may have been too subtle before |
| 07:36.18 | Guerin | pengwyn: FUCK OFF IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT MYSTACE |
| 07:36.20 | pengwyn | everything is there. Most of they young bands are too stupid to deal with html and a website. |
| 07:36.21 | Guerin | there |
| 07:36.24 | Guerin | clear? |
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| 07:36.41 | concept10 | markybob, i was stationed in norfolk twice (first and last duty station) .. in between was pearl harbor, san diego and dallas |
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| 07:37.30 | pengwyn | Who cares Guerin, You ASKED, you Got more than you can handle |
| 07:37.31 | concept10 | Do I need two versions of GCC on my system? |
| 07:37.35 | markybob | concept10, i started in san diego with the uss constellation cv-64. did one deployment on it and then decommissioned |
| 07:37.37 | pengwyn | EAT IT |
| 07:37.45 | Guerin | pengwyn: no, i didn't |
| 07:37.50 | pengwyn | UNDERSTAND I don't care what you think either |
| 07:37.58 | Guerin | pengwyn: i told you to be offucking, and you didn't |
| 07:37.58 | valdyn | concept10: do you need one ? |
| 07:38.21 | BlueParrot | can you feel the love in here ? |
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| 07:38.26 | pengwyn | no shit |
| 07:38.27 | concept10 | valdyn, of course I need one of them |
| 07:38.49 | pengwyn | jesus tits I said I'd drop the myspaceshite |
| 07:38.58 | pengwyn | someone else asked |
| 07:38.59 | Guerin | and then didn't |
| 07:39.03 | pengwyn | I replied |
| 07:39.06 | Guerin | don't |
| 07:39.10 | pengwyn | Fuck you man |
| 07:39.12 | pengwyn | FUCK YO |
| 07:39.19 | concept10 | come on guys |
| 07:39.33 | concept10 | cut it out, now .. or I kick |
| 07:39.40 | pengwyn | I help motherfuckers all my life I dont need this shit |
| 07:39.40 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:39.45 | concept10 | heh |
| 07:39.50 | markybob | ok, yeah, that's funny |
| 07:39.52 | markybob | lol |
| 07:40.08 | concept10 | pengwyn, dude chill out |
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| 07:41.09 | concept10 | I installed a plug in tonight for a CMS that had more options than VI |
| 07:41.18 | concept10 | combined with emacs |
| 07:41.22 | concept10 | times 12 |
| 07:41.29 | Guerin | impossible |
| 07:41.33 | hark | yeah right |
| 07:41.40 | concept10 | the most complex POS ever |
| 07:41.41 | pengwyn | what cms and what plug |
| 07:42.22 | concept10 | not actually, but for what it does.. it has tooo many damn options |
| 07:42.45 | concept10 | pengwyn, joomla.. extended menus module |
| 07:43.05 | pengwyn | Oh crap I was gonna say WP + ? or DRUPAL + |
| 07:43.16 | pengwyn | jommla huh |
| 07:43.24 | pengwyn | i ran the hell outa that before |
| 07:43.30 | concept10 | im thinking to myself, why would a stupid menu module have 100+ options AND you have to edit css |
| 07:43.53 | markybob | concept10, i like to do my own. that way i can only blame myself for security bugs and hopefully knowledge of that bug wont be as widespread |
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| 07:44.15 | concept10 | markybob, do your own cms? |
| 07:44.22 | concept10 | is that what you mean? |
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| 07:44.59 | markybob | concept10, yes. for a real estate company that i worked for. |
| 07:45.00 | pengwyn | markybob, + a backup don't hurt |
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| 07:45.53 | markybob | concept10, ever go to malta? |
| 07:46.05 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:46.08 | concept10 | markybob, oh shit, had some damn fun there |
| 07:46.30 | markybob | concept10, hahah.. you may have seen me :-) there's a picture of me and some friends hanging up on the bar |
| 07:46.41 | pengwyn | fee == free |
| 07:46.46 | pengwyn | biaf |
| 07:47.00 | concept10 | concept10, 20-30 mins late back to the boat on duty day, doing something i shouldnt have been doing |
| 07:47.01 | markybob | concept10, for the life of me i cant remember what the name of the place was. it was at a corner and it was run by an old couple. |
| 07:47.19 | DawnLight | is testing same as etch? |
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| 07:47.29 | markybob | DawnLight, for now |
| 07:47.58 | concept10 | markybob, were people inside and out? i.e. on the corner? |
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| 07:48.22 | DawnLight | and then etch will become stable? and there will be a new name for the testing? |
| 07:48.42 | markybob | inside. pretty small place, though. maybe four tables total, plus the stools on the bars. a couple of blocks away from the central bar area. not sure i even found it |
| 07:48.48 | hark | DawnLight: yup, lenny |
| 07:48.54 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 07:49.43 | concept10 | markybob, what year did you go? |
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| 07:50.48 | markybob | concept10, shit. everything's kinda missed in my head...had to be late 2002 or early 2003 |
| 07:51.00 | DawnLight | so it doesn't matter right now if i have etch or testing in my sources.list, right? |
| 07:51.42 | markybob | DawnLight, it matters in the sense that when etch goes stable, you'll not stabilize if you stick with testing. you move to the next testing version |
| 07:52.07 | concept10 | markybob, i was there summer 2003.. I want to go back there.. I have been reading about that place recently |
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| 07:52.43 | DawnLight | will that be a sudden move? is there anything big happening besides the name change? |
| 07:52.54 | valdyn | DawnLight: many big things |
| 07:53.09 | markybob | concept10, i'd love to. just to see how different it'll be now. relatively alone. no ship. no uniform to uphold. just free people |
| 07:53.31 | valdyn | DawnLight: soon after a new release, transition to new basic packages will be done, like new libc6, new compilers. Consequently many things may break |
| 07:53.47 | DawnLight | the programs that go beyond unstable that it? |
| 07:54.04 | Guerin | DawnLight: /msg dpkg releases |
| 07:54.12 | markybob | Guerin, thank you |
| 07:54.28 | pengwyn | markybob, ever been to Central America? |
| 07:54.51 | concept10 | markybob, i agree with you on that |
| 07:54.52 | pengwyn | markybob, like back in the 70's? |
| 07:54.53 | markybob | pengwyn, no. more or less all over south america, though. |
| 07:55.33 | markybob | pengwyn, staying away from topics about my mom would be wise |
| 07:55.36 | pengwyn | I never been there. I bet it was more humid than CA |
| 07:55.50 | pengwyn | CA ! = California |
| 07:56.13 | pengwyn | I was in Guatamala, Costa Rica |
| 07:56.18 | pengwyn | in 74 |
| 07:56.22 | markybob | pengwyn, are you on drugs? |
| 07:56.32 | Guerin | i thought it was obvious |
| 07:56.52 | pengwyn | wtf is your problem Guerin? |
| 07:57.24 | pengwyn | no I ain't on drugs but you be on drugs I don't care |
| 07:57.32 | concept10 | i am |
| 07:57.36 | concept10 | its called wine |
| 07:57.40 | pengwyn | do whatever you want I don't care. |
| 07:57.52 | Guerin | the irony |
| 07:57.57 | pengwyn | Okay yeah alcohol yes. I guess so, some drugs |
| 07:57.57 | markybob | i've got heart meds...but they dont make me go crazy |
| 07:58.12 | Guerin | that you think WE care about all the random shite which spews forth from your keyboard |
| 07:58.17 | pengwyn | I am just trying to be friendly man |
| 07:58.26 | Guerin | !aww |
| 07:58.26 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 07:58.35 | markybob | greycat!! |
| 07:58.45 | markybob | we need a batbeam for him |
| 07:58.46 | concept10 | pengwyn, you have to learn to roll with it |
| 07:58.50 | pengwyn | Guerin whatever man. Mammon taught me about people like you |
| 07:58.58 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 07:58.59 | dpkg | somebody said whatever was the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 07:59.17 | concept10 | and doesnt listen to anyone in here except me, for I am the only UNIX expert |
| 07:59.23 | concept10 | *dobnt |
| 07:59.30 | Kevin` | haha |
| 07:59.44 | Kevin` | or are you serious? :) |
| 07:59.46 | Guerin | yep, sure is sunday o'clock again |
| 07:59.49 | Guerin | Kevin`: haha |
| 07:59.49 | pengwyn | I listen wtf . concept10 (HAS control of this channel) I ain't stupid now |
| 07:59.57 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:00.14 | concept10 | Kevin`, you think im joking? |
| 08:00.21 | Guerin | i don't |
| 08:00.23 | concept10 | Kevin`, ask a question |
| 08:00.39 | Guerin | concept10: what is the airspeed of an unladen swallow? |
| 08:01.00 | Kevin` | concept10 what code will I need to make a gpio driven spi sd card driver for linux 2.6 |
| 08:01.14 | pengwyn | I'm friggin 44 friggin years old man, MARCH 9th was my last |
| 08:01.31 | Guerin | pengwyn: you still appear to be under the delusion that we give a fuck |
| 08:01.34 | pengwyn | African or European swallow |
| 08:01.45 | Guerin | pengwyn: well, you at least get a point for that :) |
| 08:01.46 | Kevin` | concept10 I would really appreciate the answer, not much of a kernel developer myself :) |
| 08:02.06 | pengwyn | Guerin I don't care what ya say man. Love me hate me. It's all good |
| 08:02.31 | concept10 | Kevin`, Okay, I need a little more info, do you want this to be user accessible? |
| 08:02.34 | Kevin` | Guerin african or euorpean? |
| 08:03.00 | Kevin` | concept10 accessible as a normal block device, in the end |
| 08:03.09 | Guerin | Kevin`: too late. You still beat concept10 though. |
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| 08:03.50 | concept10 | What? you think I can write a kernel driver in 1 min? |
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| 08:04.04 | Kevin` | hey your the expert. i'll wait more then a minute though |
| 08:04.54 | Kevin` | if I think of any easier questions i'll ask, but that's my current problem |
| 08:04.56 | markybob | !fuck edgardoweb |
| 08:05.14 | concept10 | #include <linux/module.h> |
| 08:05.39 | Kevin` | might be more efficient to write in a text editor and email it |
| 08:05.40 | concept10 | include <linux/module.h> |
| 08:05.41 | concept10 | #include <linux/kernel.h> |
| 08:05.43 | Guerin | Edgardoweb: turn that off |
| 08:05.45 | pengwyn | what kind of chip is that kevin? |
| 08:05.53 | Guerin | concept10: fucking stop |
| 08:05.58 | Kevin` | pengwyn which chip, host or sd card |
| 08:06.08 | Guerin | jesus, is this a competition to see who can be the most fucktarded? |
| 08:06.18 | pengwyn | spi sd card |
| 08:06.21 | Edgardoweb | markybob: Guerin Re-LOL |
| 08:06.23 | concept10 | static int hello_init(void) { printk("<1> Hello Guerin \n"); return 0;} |
| 08:06.30 | Guerin | Kevin`: FYI, a full-feature SD reader can't be done in free software |
| 08:06.31 | hark | you all win ;) |
| 08:06.31 | Kevin` | pengwyn just a standard compliant sd card |
| 08:06.39 | pengwyn | okay |
| 08:06.45 | concept10 | :) |
| 08:06.46 | Kevin` | I don't need full featured, I need readwrite data access |
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| 08:06.52 | concept10 | okay, I need to stop drinking |
| 08:07.00 | pengwyn | I hear ya kevin |
| 08:07.01 | Guerin | Kevin`: so you need a MMC card driver |
| 08:07.11 | Kevin` | Guerin yes, essentially |
| 08:07.20 | pengwyn | you wanna fill the SOB with 0's and 1's |
| 08:07.21 | Guerin | because the SD bit simply ain't gonna happen, and is itself a good reason to never use SD media |
| 08:07.28 | Guerin | compact flash FTW |
| 08:07.43 | markybob | fuck. where's abrotman when you need him? |
| 08:07.47 | Kevin` | Guerin sd can be used as mmc, and there's code available arleady for using it in spi mode |
| 08:07.52 | Kevin` | just not for me :) |
| 08:08.09 | Guerin | Kevin`: but not with the things that supposedly make it secure |
| 08:08.17 | Kevin` | I don't need the security crap |
| 08:08.24 | Guerin | Kevin`: indeed. |
| 08:08.30 | Guerin | which isn't, natch |
| 08:08.45 | Guerin | wtf, one of my old wounds is aching |
| 08:08.49 | Guerin | that ain't fun |
| 08:08.55 | concept10 | markybob, probably happy that hes sleep |
| 08:09.14 | pengwyn | my first little digital project, indeed dealt with timing issues and filling ALL memory segments with data, then repeating and overwriting it again, what was my project? Digital delay, so yeah I Can program ASM |
| 08:09.37 | pengwyn | plus I had to Solder the shit together |
| 08:09.48 | pengwyn | no school, no college |
| 08:10.06 | concept10 | l33t |
| 08:10.08 | pengwyn | just databooks and spec/technical data sheets |
| 08:10.15 | markybob | this is a battle of who worked the hardest or went through the worst childhood |
| 08:10.24 | markybob | it's not. this is just #debian |
| 08:10.26 | pengwyn | I went thought the worst. |
| 08:10.32 | Guerin | of course you did |
| 08:10.38 | markybob | *no one gives a fuck* |
| 08:10.44 | Guerin | that seems reasonable, since yours appears to be lasting 44 years |
| 08:11.07 | pengwyn | nobody cares Guerin |
| 08:11.09 | concept10 | it appears to be some battle on who had the most to drink tonight |
| 08:11.16 | Guerin | pengwyn: right you are. |
| 08:11.18 | markybob | and you have to be a moron to think that in a channel of nearly 700, you're one that was messed up the most |
| 08:11.22 | concept10 | but its weird |
| 08:12.19 | pengwyn | Your not fucked up enough untill you drank hella VodSky and your Stopping breathing as you go into rem about 200 times each night with sweats |
| 08:12.36 | pengwyn | until == untill |
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| 08:12.49 | Guerin | no |
| 08:12.59 | pengwyn | time is short |
| 08:13.03 | Guerin | until = until; untill = i'm a fuckwit who can't spell |
| 08:13.04 | pengwyn | Life is shorter |
| 08:13.06 | Kevin` | concept10 before I test your module.. |
| 08:13.10 | Kevin` | static void __exit hello_exit(void){ } |
| 08:13.10 | Kevin` | module_init(hello_init); |
| 08:13.10 | Kevin` | module_init(hello_exit); |
| 08:13.18 | Guerin | Kevin`: jesus |
| 08:13.22 | Kevin` | =p |
| 08:13.26 | concept10 | Kevin`, I stopped |
| 08:13.33 | Guerin | it's a three-way race for fucktard du jour |
| 08:13.36 | markybob | pengwyn, just turn yourself in. they have shellters |
| 08:13.54 | markybob | shameless advertising there...sorry, couldnt help it |
| 08:13.55 | pengwyn | markybob: heh heh heh heh heh |
| 08:14.13 | Kevin` | concept10 aww don't stop :( |
| 08:15.00 | concept10 | Kevin`, its funny that you mentioned that. I have been reading LDD3 all week. |
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| 08:15.26 | concept10 | Kevin`, and still clueless about how to actually implement the complete driver |
| 08:15.30 | pengwyn | Guerin: I got one question for you. |
| 08:15.45 | Guerin | pengwyn: did you? |
| 08:16.02 | pengwyn | Guerin: Do you know what West Nile Virus is? |
| 08:16.14 | Guerin | pengwyn: yes. |
| 08:16.17 | pengwyn | y/N == |
| 08:16.20 | pengwyn | Okay |
| 08:16.22 | pengwyn | I got it |
| 08:16.31 | pengwyn | I have it. Infected |
| 08:16.34 | pengwyn | bla bla |
| 08:16.36 | Guerin | why do you think we care? |
| 08:16.54 | pengwyn | no you don't personally, but the people that LOVE me do. |
| 08:17.04 | pengwyn | and it's painful |
| 08:17.05 | Guerin | so? |
| 08:17.12 | Guerin | my heart bleeds. Now fuck off. |
| 08:17.21 | pengwyn | and it makes you start loosing your shit |
| 08:17.26 | Guerin | you also have Advaced FUckwit Syndrome |
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| 08:18.15 | pengwyn | well good luck on that . heh heh |
| 08:18.20 | pengwyn | I am recovering after 5 years of suffering |
| 08:18.24 | Kevin` | # insmod concept.ko |
| 08:18.25 | Kevin` | insmod: error inserting 'concept.ko': -1 Invalid module format |
| 08:18.25 | pengwyn | Or.. |
| 08:18.29 | pengwyn | Excuse me |
| 08:18.30 | Kevin` | hmm I wonder how I managed that |
| 08:18.46 | pengwyn | I got it 2005 it's 2007 now.. |
| 08:18.54 | concept10 | Kevin`, old kernel, new ABI |
| 08:19.04 | pengwyn | so finally starting to come back to life again. |
| 08:19.15 | Kevin` | I should have matching sources, but I guess I don't |
| 08:19.19 | Kevin` | have to fix this later |
| 08:19.28 | markybob | i doubt this counts as 'group" session |
| 08:19.36 | Guerin | !ops pengwyn is a fuckwith with diarrhoea of the keyboard |
| 08:19.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: pengwyn is a fuckwith with diarrhoea of the keyboard |
| 08:19.55 | markybob | here they come |
| 08:19.57 | pengwyn | Guerin: So be careful when your out there in the swamps with your laptop . You could end up screwed up worse than me. |
| 08:20.09 | Guerin | i'll bear it in mind |
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| 08:20.26 | pengwyn | do |
| 08:20.54 | markybob | sure would be funny if all ops were away |
| 08:21.09 | pengwyn | but they're not away |
| 08:21.12 | Guerin | markybob: it happens commonly about this time, due to timezoning |
| 08:21.16 | pengwyn | they know I ain't fighting |
| 08:21.42 | pengwyn | I am good to go. Ask me a question |
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| 08:22.03 | Kevin` | why does cdebootstrap fail sometimes cross-arch |
| 08:22.15 | Kevin` | rather, most of the time |
| 08:22.50 | pengwyn | dunno |
| 08:23.05 | Guerin | profound |
| 08:23.54 | pengwyn | try the unstable |
| 08:24.00 | pengwyn | otherwise I dunno |
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| 08:24.27 | Kevin` | unstable sid you mean? |
| 08:24.43 | pengwyn | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/cdebootstrap |
| 08:24.48 | Kevin` | ah |
| 08:25.23 | pengwyn | maybe the libc6 |
| 08:25.29 | pengwyn | Just a guess |
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| 08:26.04 | pengwyn | you say cross platform ( I know a few but not all ) |
| 08:26.26 | Kevin` | target arm, mips, mipsel, I have done in the past |
| 08:26.27 | concept10 | markybob, im pissed. i cant find no malta pics |
| 08:27.09 | pengwyn | I have none of those platforms sadly |
| 08:27.20 | markybob | concept10, i'm in the same boat. i had just bought a kick ass digital camera and a ton of memory to go with it...after being on the ship for twos with it, it was stolen and i have nothing |
| 08:27.23 | Kevin` | what do you have? |
| 08:28.14 | markybob | concept10, fuckin' blue on blue crime is a bitch |
| 08:28.22 | pengwyn | 8080, Z80, 8086, 80186, 80286, i386 |
| 08:28.43 | pengwyn | and yeah some are not listed |
| 08:28.45 | Kevin` | ah, fun old stuff :) |
| 08:29.12 | concept10 | markybob, yep.. Ive been scraping my NTFS partition since you mentioned it |
| 08:29.14 | Kevin` | get linux working on 286? |
| 08:29.22 | concept10 | cant find anything |
| 08:29.29 | pengwyn | yeah if you got 1k ram |
| 08:29.45 | pengwyn | < 1k ram no |
| 08:29.54 | concept10 | markybob, only picture i can find is me on the day we returned from deployment |
| 08:29.56 | Kevin` | heh, I have a problem getting linux working on 4 MEG ram |
| 08:29.59 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 08:30.08 | pengwyn | I got a 386 that won't run linux |
| 08:30.15 | markybob | i have a horrible memory. what's happening? |
| 08:30.53 | Kevin` | I should just go grab a computer with more ram, pci slots, etc, and leave this beast alone :) |
| 08:31.10 | markybob | oh. nevermind. |
| 08:31.17 | Kevin` | stuff is happening? |
| 08:31.28 | pengwyn | Kevin, Yeah I would. |
| 08:31.34 | markybob | yeah, it's called my short term memory being a total BITCH |
| 08:32.05 | pengwyn | with the cheap ass crap unless it's some kind of production thing your using. I'd dump it and get a cheap box |
| 08:32.22 | pengwyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.31 | concept10 | what the hell are you guys talking about? |
| 08:32.40 | Kevin` | oh I have lots of old boxes laying around |
| 08:32.55 | Kevin` | I wanted this one to work though :( |
| 08:32.59 | pengwyn | concept10 Booting linux on the lowest spec box/ram |
| 08:33.17 | Kevin` | linux does boot actually, it runs out of ram when loading init |
| 08:33.23 | pengwyn | I hear ya kevin, I wnat my 80186 to run linux |
| 08:33.28 | pengwyn | wnat == want |
| 08:33.38 | pengwyn | it's 16 bit! |
| 08:33.39 | concept10 | pengwyn, thats a waste of time |
| 08:33.47 | markybob | http://www.dipconsultants.com/ just got done making this. i dont suppose anyone would have suggestions? |
| 08:34.21 | Kevin` | markybob looks workable. not much of a web developer, myself :) |
| 08:34.31 | pengwyn | concept10, I have a "$40K" little brown box. |
| 08:34.43 | pengwyn | 16 bit 4 MHz |
| 08:34.52 | stew | if you ported linux to 186 you'd get rid of all the segfaults at least! |
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| 08:34.59 | pengwyn | it costed 40,000 bucks originally |
| 08:35.00 | fooz | markybob, looks very corporate. SELLOUT! |
| 08:35.00 | Kevin` | lol |
| 08:35.03 | fooz | hehe |
| 08:35.18 | concept10 | markybob, evolution for windows? |
| 08:35.19 | Guerin | stew: can you boot pengwyn for drooling about a megabyte of random shite over the last several hours |
| 08:35.31 | markybob | fooz, i'm giving back...so i'm not a sellout |
| 08:35.32 | concept10 | haha |
| 08:35.35 | markybob | concept10, yes |
| 08:35.38 | fooz | markybob, j/k |
| 08:35.45 | pengwyn | hey stew . Don't boot me |
| 08:35.52 | fooz | markybob, nice stock images |
| 08:35.54 | fooz | hehe |
| 08:35.56 | pengwyn | Guerin has an axe to grind |
| 08:36.05 | stew | pengwyn: do you have anything debian related? |
| 08:36.08 | Guerin | if I had an axe, it'd be in your head |
| 08:36.13 | pengwyn | And You KNOW me at least once somewhere in your logs |
| 08:36.14 | concept10 | markybob, is that your site/company or client? |
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| 08:36.27 | markybob | all mine |
| 08:36.32 | Seanfeld | hello I have a recurring APIC error that I am seeing in my syslog and I believe it has crashed my system a few times. I've tried changing the NIC and setting IRQ to manual in BIOS the only other suggestion I have found is try a different kernel. Does this sounds like it could solve my problem? Anyone have other sugestions of what I could try? |
| 08:36.33 | fooz | markybob, it's nice though |
| 08:36.37 | pengwyn | Stew of course |
| 08:36.45 | markybob | fooz, thanks |
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| 08:36.54 | concept10 | markybob, it is nice |
| 08:36.59 | concept10 | but I have a question |
| 08:37.10 | Snuggles2000 | Mmmm, 2.6 is nice....now my comp is at least reasonably fast. |
| 08:37.13 | Guerin | Seanfeld: did you try booting with various apic options (i think =off is one) |
| 08:37.14 | concept10 | does that Military-grade Encryption work on sarge? |
| 08:37.22 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 08:37.25 | Guerin | noapic/nolapic |
| 08:37.32 | Guerin | concept10: yes. |
| 08:37.39 | markybob | concept10, you bet :) |
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| 08:37.44 | concept10 | markybob, ") |
| 08:37.51 | Kevin` | military grade = comman standards compliant, most likely |
| 08:37.53 | Kevin` | so yes :) |
| 08:38.03 | Guerin | Kevin`: it's munitions, dontchaknow |
| 08:38.22 | Phil2 | hi there, I'm having problems getting a 3ccfe574bt to work on Debian. Debian did a net install fine using the card but now doesn't detect it on boot. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 08:38.48 | Guerin | pengwyn: find out what module it uses, echo "modulename" >> /etc/modules; reboot |
| 08:38.58 | Guerin | Phil2: see my advice to pengwyn |
| 08:39.06 | Kevin` | Phil2 make sure the driver is installed? :) |
| 08:39.10 | Seanfeld | Guerin: I haven't tried that cause it sounded like it would slow my system down significantly. I should give that a try though rather than cahnging the kernel? |
| 08:39.28 | concept10 | markybob, that would have been a great site for the mephisto blog engine |
| 08:39.35 | Guerin | Seanfeld: give it a crack. |
| 08:39.52 | concept10 | Im going to shoot my neighbors car if I hear that fucking alarm again |
| 08:39.55 | pengwyn | Guerin, your on crack |
| 08:40.05 | Phil2 | I know what module it uses, 3c574_cs |
| 08:40.07 | Seanfeld | Guerin: alright thanks i'll give it a try |
| 08:40.12 | xerophyte | i have compiled a new kernel it boots with single mode but when try to boot with normal mode it hands after network cards are setup does anybody know how can i get error message why does it hangs ? |
| 08:40.16 | Guerin | pengwyn: my what? |
| 08:40.29 | Guerin | Phil2: the rest is easy, then. |
| 08:40.37 | Phil2 | it is Guerin? |
| 08:41.09 | Guerin | Phil2: echo 3c574_cs >> /etc/modules && reboot # as root |
| 08:41.11 | pengwyn | Your attempt to boot me from # debian by using stew and now you say I need help with modules. YOUR THE BUCKET MOUTH NOT ME |
| 08:41.31 | Kevin` | xerophyte without any more info, I would suspect it's hanging on dhcp or a dns related issue. look in the scripts where it's hanging and have whatever it is run in the background |
| 08:41.31 | Guerin | !aolify pengwyn |
| 08:41.34 | pengwyn | anyone with a LOG file in #debian can see it |
| 08:41.44 | stew | pengwyn: Guerin: drop it. |
| 08:41.46 | stew | use /ignore |
| 08:41.51 | Guerin | stew: use /ban |
| 08:41.51 | stew | pengwyn: if you have a question, ask it |
| 08:41.56 | Guerin | he doesn't |
| 08:42.00 | Phil2 | ok |
| 08:42.03 | Phil2 | sec |
| 08:42.04 | Guerin | just wants to carry on about how his life sucks |
| 08:42.05 | Guerin | etc. |
| 08:42.11 | concept10 | markybob, have you ever used Rails? |
| 08:42.12 | pengwyn | fucking liar |
| 08:42.16 | pengwyn | fuckj you |
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| 08:42.31 | Kevin` | people are smart these days aren't they |
| 08:43.12 | Guerin | stew: cheers. |
| 08:43.15 | hark | finally.. |
| 08:43.37 | markybob | concept10, actually no. never thought it'd go anywhere. i'm kind of surprised the keeps pushing |
| 08:44.33 | concept10 | markybob, it will be here for years |
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| 08:46.03 | markybob | concept10, as fas as scripting goes, i know php inside and out. a little rough on perl cuz i use mostly php. C is ok. not great, but not bad. c++ good, not bad. all depends on the job and i have other employees to help with what stuff i dont know |
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| 08:46.13 | concept10 | markybob, anyway, theres a good blog engine a site like yours would have been perfect for. Check out mephisto when you get the chance. (unless you like writing from scratch) |
| 08:46.41 | markybob | concept10, i'll check it out. thank |
| 08:47.08 | Phil2 | nu luck there Guerin |
| 08:47.10 | Phil2 | *no |
| 08:47.34 | concept10 | markybob, i only know ruby and python. Ive been spending more time with python lately and getting away from web apps. Web apps are frustrating to me |
| 08:48.08 | hark | Phil2: what does modprobe 3c574_cs give? |
| 08:48.23 | Guerin | Phil2: does it show in lsmod? |
| 08:48.25 | Phil2 | it returns nothing hark |
| 08:48.29 | Phil2 | no errors etc. |
| 08:48.34 | hark | that's good |
| 08:48.39 | Guerin | then your interface should work |
| 08:48.45 | Phil2 | yes, it shows Guerin |
| 08:48.47 | Guerin | if you have it configured, and it's not busted |
| 08:48.52 | Guerin | ifconfig? |
| 08:48.58 | BlueParrot | ok I have the wierdest glith in ephiphany |
| 08:49.01 | Phil2 | not shown there Guerin |
| 08:49.11 | BlueParrot | it doesn't load the icons for some of teh bookmarks : / |
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| 08:49.15 | Guerin | Phil2: huh |
| 08:49.15 | hark | ifconfig -a? |
| 08:49.25 | Phil2 | the cards work fine since Debian just downloaded its packages on the netinst using them |
| 08:49.45 | Phil2 | not shown in -a either hark |
| 08:49.52 | Guerin | Phil2: that's fucked. |
| 08:49.54 | Phil2 | ifup eth0 tells me there's no such device |
| 08:50.10 | Guerin | dmesg? |
| 08:50.13 | Snuggles2000 | Can audio mixers function as an equilizer? Or is that not possible? |
| 08:50.20 | Phil2 | what should I be looking for in dmesg? |
| 08:50.25 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: nope, they can't. |
| 08:50.36 | Guerin | Snuggles2000: there are various ladspa (etc) plugins for it |
| 08:50.44 | Phil2 | there's nothing related from what I can see |
| 08:50.54 | Snuggles2000 | Ahh okay. Thanks Guerin. |
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| 08:51.11 | hark | Phil2: modprobe -r it and then modprobe it again. check dmesg |tail |
| 08:51.20 | markybob | concept10, i liked that stuff. had to have the templated (pdf)results coming automatically from php frontend and mysql database in the backend. it was actuallly really need to do. |
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| 08:52.19 | Phil2 | both probes give no output |
| 08:52.23 | Phil2 | and dmesg hasn't changed |
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| 08:55.20 | hark | Phil2: hmm, weird |
| 08:55.52 | Phil2 | yah |
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| 08:57.24 | DawnLight | i'm looking for a wmv howto |
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| 08:58.56 | hark | install w32codecs |
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| 09:00.16 | knight | hi ive installed deboan etch new, but im not able to play music in xmms while not in root, how can i do this? |
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| 09:00.29 | knight | *debian |
| 09:00.55 | pengwyn | stew, I got one thing to say, lilo (RIP) would not be happy about your banning me. I dunno wtf this guerin's problem is. I did nothing wrong here, I tried to help folks, I clearly say when I ain't sure about information, and that hark dude, just jumped in after and said, "finally" As if I was some pest. I don't need that kind of treatement I could care less about Guerin, do a search on Guerin + #debian and you see negative crap. |
| 09:01.12 | c00lfon | knight, Add user to group ,audio'. |
| 09:01.22 | c00lfon | [c00lfon@electra]:[~] % id |
| 09:01.22 | c00lfon | uid=1000(c00lfon) gid=1000(c00lfon) grupy=24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),60(games),100(users),114(fuse),1000(c00lfon) |
| 09:01.40 | Guerin | haha |
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| 09:01.56 | Guerin | that's low, bringing lilo in on his ego-trip |
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| 09:02.43 | Guerin | but curiously, I don't really show up on a google hit with #debian |
| 09:02.55 | concept10 | You guys went too far |
| 09:03.03 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 09:03.24 | Grant2 | whre do you show up Guerin? sorry i just joined haha |
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| 09:06.54 | hark | ha |
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| 09:10.02 | xand | rk |
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| 09:11.02 | hark | roadkill? |
| 09:11.13 | xingu | romeo knight |
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| 09:16.44 | pengwyn | lima india alpha romeo |
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| 09:18.37 | hark | whiskey tango foxtrot |
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| 09:21.50 | mateuszk | Hi since upgrad from yesterday my applications freez for 15sec |
| 09:23.29 | eilker | !ssh |
| 09:23.29 | dpkg | [ssh] Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 09:23.36 | mateuszk | any help? |
| 09:23.49 | hark | 15 seconds? anything in ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 09:24.00 | hark | eilker: /msg dpkg |
| 09:25.30 | BlueParrot | Uhm... |
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| 09:25.58 | boodie | Hi |
| 09:26.39 | mateuszk | hark, I'll check |
| 09:26.56 | BlueParrot | Linux BlueParrot 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Wed Feb 21 15:25:16 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:27.06 | BlueParrot | ^^That suggests I have the wrong kernel , no ? |
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| 09:27.51 | xingu | is it a sign of a dull personality when your browser's address-bar history cache can turn up basically every site you're ever likely to visit with a worst-case three char match? |
| 09:28.24 | Xenguy | BlueParrot: I don't see why; why do you say that? |
| 09:29.00 | BlueParrot | Xenguy: because I would have expeted it to be 686 |
| 09:29.21 | hark | then install it.. linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 09:29.32 | Xenguy | BlueParrot: ahh, I see |
| 09:29.46 | BlueParrot | hmmmm |
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| 09:30.11 | BlueParrot | that probably means I need to reinstall the nvidia driver ... |
| 09:30.14 | BlueParrot | oh well |
| 09:30.20 | Xenguy | BlueParrot: Personally I wouldn't worry about a small detail like that, but if you want, then what hark said |
| 09:30.39 | BlueParrot | I won't bother then |
| 09:31.04 | BlueParrot | I am a little surprised tho |
| 09:31.11 | eilker | trying with ssh, ssh user@host i got result *Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).* |
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| 09:31.35 | BlueParrot | out of curiosity, why didn't the installer pick the 686 kernel ? |
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| 09:32.09 | xingu | Xenguy: password-interactive is a bad idea anyway unless you have round the clock threat response monitoring. |
| 09:32.13 | eilker | and i get "The authenticity of host 'xyz' can't be established." |
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| 09:33.16 | Xenguy | xingu: I watch my boxen reasonably well if that is what you mean |
| 09:33.28 | xingu | Xenguy: 24x7? |
| 09:34.09 | hark | eilker: you can say yes and still connect, can't you? |
| 09:34.10 | Xenguy | xingu: I do sleep, it's true =) |
| 09:34.16 | xingu | Xenguy: there's folk out there who routinely probe for sshd's offering password-interactive and start brute force attacks at carefully chosen hours of the morning |
| 09:34.25 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
| 09:34.31 | xingu | Xenguy: it's relatively cheap computationally to do |
| 09:34.44 | Xenguy | xingu: I think AllowUsers fixes that mostly, no? |
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| 09:35.26 | eilker | hark: i say yes than i write password 3 times, at the end, "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)." |
| 09:35.29 | Xenguy | xingu: I've never had a problem anyway in that regard AFAICT |
| 09:35.34 | xingu | Xenguy: at that point you've constructed a two-part shared key; username+password; it's harder, but not as hard as an rsa public/private key pair. |
| 09:35.39 | xingu | Xenguy: ... yet |
| 09:35.59 | Xenguy | xingu: agreed |
| 09:36.13 | xingu | Xenguy: if you ran high profile stuff you'd know this already, everyone trips across all manner of muppetry against their public edge every so often |
| 09:37.04 | Xenguy | xingu: not high profile here, no |
| 09:37.23 | xingu | Xenguy: there's at least two infamous examples of where this strategy was successful btw, it's not purely a theoretical |
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| 09:49.15 | boodie | Bye |
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| 09:53.21 | ManuP | hi. i have an html-file (or at leas a part of it) and i want to downlad all linked *.pdf and *.jpg files. |
| 09:53.26 | ManuP | how do i do? |
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| 09:54.35 | ManuP | i think, i have to cut everything wich isnt between a href=" and " so i would get a list with dok1.pdf dok2.pdf.. which i could download via wget... |
| 09:54.39 | xingu | wget -r ? |
| 09:54.43 | ManuP | but how do i cut this out? |
| 09:55.15 | xingu | wget -rl 1 in fact probably |
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| 09:55.52 | ManuP | what does the option do? |
| 09:55.57 | ManuP | !wget -rl 1 |
| 09:56.15 | xingu | wget --help, and read. |
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| 09:57.50 | ManuP | but wget --help dont tell me how it handles html-tags... |
| 09:58.28 | enouf | ManuP: you may be able to make use of the xml2 app and wget http://ofb.net/~egnor/xml2/examples .. |
| 09:58.28 | ManuP | xingu, okay, found sth. about that in the man-page |
| 09:58.52 | ManuP | at least, i will try and see what happens. |
| 09:58.58 | enouf | at;east some examples of parsing for cerain info |
| 09:59.13 | enouf | s/cerain/certain |
| 09:59.42 | xingu | waste of time; wget -rl 1 -A='jpg,pdf' |
| 10:00.17 | xingu | it's already designed to mirror whole sites; your use-case is a subset of this |
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| 10:00.31 | ManuP | wow, wget is cool |
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| 10:01.29 | crockette | is wget secure? |
| 10:01.44 | xingu | define secure |
| 10:02.00 | crockette | define define |
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| 10:02.46 | crockette | I mean its security record in the history |
| 10:03.24 | enouf | history of the world part1 ? |
| 10:03.46 | ManuP | xingu, it downloads only the pdfs, not the jpegs.. |
| 10:03.46 | crockette | ... |
| 10:04.14 | enouf | ManuP: add an 'e' perhaps? |
| 10:04.56 | ManuP | i did it |
| 10:05.03 | ManuP | i tried jpg, jpeg and jp* |
| 10:05.11 | enouf | there's like what? .. 254 extensions for jpgs? |
| 10:05.12 | ManuP | pdfs are no problem |
| 10:05.42 | ManuP | wget downloaded even txt, i didnt want.. strange |
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| 10:09.09 | xingu | neat, not only does module-assist work with fakeroot, it defaults to doing the right thing if you're uid!=0 |
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| 10:09.27 | xingu | see this is why I like debian; dtrt, even when you haven't got a clue what trt is beforehand. |
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| 10:10.43 | hark | enouf: hey was it a pebkac earlier? (the sources.list stat thing) |
| 10:11.30 | enouf | hark: I recall us tossing around those terms, but forgot the specifics of that person/issues ;-( |
| 10:11.42 | enouf | hark: or even who it was |
| 10:12.36 | enouf | hark: I think an apt-get update worked for them IIRC ..but they said yesterday they tried that and nothing worked |
| 10:13.18 | hark | ah, well it was then ;) |
| 10:13.57 | enouf | heh |
| 10:15.00 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 10:15.00 | dpkg | <kbrooks> i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it |
| 10:16.07 | enouf | hark: I'm curious if MadDwarf ever got their nvidia blobs working on his 6600? |
| 10:16.32 | hark | yup, direct rendering Yes |
| 10:16.52 | hark | he's probably off playing NWN or nexuiz now ;) |
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| 10:16.57 | enouf | after a nvidia one-liner only? .. or did he grab the .run file? |
| 10:17.23 | enouf | hark: ahh .. hehe .. yep nwn |
| 10:17.29 | hark | the debian drivers |
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| 10:17.36 | enouf | cool |
| 10:18.25 | enouf | peppe and bzed said they wanted to update the one-liner factoid or something .. |
| 10:18.51 | hark | he followed the wiki guide iirc... |
| 10:19.13 | enouf | nice one .. ;-) |
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| 10:19.21 | hark | a little 'pebkacy' with his sources, but no trouble ;) |
| 10:19.36 | xerophyte | I compiled a kernel kernel .. when it start irqbalance it hangs .. does anybody know how can i go about debugging this ? |
| 10:19.39 | enouf | hark: hehe .. no more porbs? :-p |
| 10:20.55 | enouf | xerophyte: which kernel and why .. and why irqbalance |
| 10:21.05 | xerophyte | enouf, i built vanila kernel from 2.6.20.3 code, when it start irqbalance the kernel hangs but older kernel it works fine |
| 10:21.06 | hark | try disbaling irqbalance? |
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| 10:22.24 | xerophyte | hark, it works fine |
| 10:25.43 | xerophyte | hark, any idea how can i debug this ? |
| 10:26.08 | cahoot | irqbalance -debug? |
| 10:26.23 | cahoot | err --debug |
| 10:27.13 | hark | what processor? |
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| 10:28.26 | xerophyte | hark, model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz |
| 10:28.43 | xerophyte | hark, when i run irqbalance --debug the server froze need to reboot |
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| 10:31.50 | enouf | xerophyte: try some of the various kernel params for *balance listed here http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt .. also ..are apic, acpi, and ahci all enabled in hte bios? |
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| 10:33.05 | enouf | xerophyte: which branch/release are you using? and did you use make-kpkg ? |
| 10:33.26 | xerophyte | enouf, 2.6.20.3 |
| 10:33.48 | enouf | that's the kernel .. which branch of Debian , and any initrd? |
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| 10:35.36 | hark | probably some compatibility issue with 2.6.20? maybe you need an updated irqbalance package |
| 10:35.37 | omry_ | after an etch dist-upgrade many programs crashes with seg fault on startup (icedoce, iceweasel, xchat and probably more). anyone encountered this? |
| 10:37.00 | xingu | irqbalance-0.12-7 works fine here with lko 2.6.20.4 fwiw. |
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| 10:38.01 | xingu | my guess is interrupt routing issues; probably diff -u /var/log/dmesg, /var/log/dmesg.n where n is the last-known-good config |
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| 10:40.11 | teclo | Hello, on a fresh install of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, k3b won't burn CDs or DVD, because it says it cannot find any CD/DvD writer and indeed in Configuration > Devices it says "readers: none" and "writers: none" |
| 10:40.16 | teclo | uhh any idea ? |
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| 10:44.23 | cahoot | run k3bsetup? |
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| 10:44.42 | x3n0 | Hello |
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| 10:45.16 | Virtual | that would be a good idea to start with teclo and if you already done k3bsetup did you check if debian actually detected your writer ? |
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| 10:46.03 | xingu | it's stopped adding its icon into the notification area even when configured to do so; have to tell it to not show, then show to get the little fellow up |
| 10:47.02 | x3n0 | Does anyone know how to configure zope(plone) to not load at boot time. So its only up while I need to work on it? |
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| 10:49.19 | cahoot | x3n0: man update-rc.d if it's started from /etc/init.d |
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| 10:56.00 | x3n0 | Thanks! :) |
| 10:56.04 | disposable | is there an Etch install CD (netinstall preferably) with a newer kernel than 2.6.18? i have a marvell ide controller for cdrom (intel motherboard) and the kernel doesn't recognise it. both fedora and opensuse can work with it, but i can't live without debian.... |
| 10:56.38 | x3n0 | knoppix |
| 10:56.44 | azeem | disposable: try to netboot? |
| 10:57.07 | xand | disposable: no there isn't |
| 10:57.15 | xand | well, not an official one |
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| 10:57.18 | disposable | xand: :( |
| 10:57.25 | teclo | Hi there, I'm using module-assisatant to build nvidia-kernel-legacy on 2.6.20.3 ... but when I edit nv/nv-linux.h to fix the source code (see bug 409204), module-assistant *overwrites* my changes :( ... any idea ? |
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| 10:57.28 | disposable | azeem: how do i do that? |
| 10:57.30 | MBH | hallo |
| 10:57.33 | MBH | ihr alle zzusammme |
| 10:57.34 | MBH | was geht |
| 10:57.35 | MBH | bei euch ab |
| 10:57.36 | x3n0 | knoppix 5.1.1 has 2.6.19 |
| 10:57.37 | MBH | hey |
| 10:57.39 | MBH | ist hier jeamd da |
| 10:57.40 | MBH | vllt |
| 10:57.42 | MBH | deutsch oder so |
| 10:57.45 | MBH | ich kenn mich hier nicht so aus |
| 10:57.48 | MBH | gibts hier deutsche |
| 10:57.50 | MBH | hallo |
| 10:57.55 | MBH | kann mir mal jemand antworten |
| 10:58.00 | MBH | HAAAAAALO |
| 10:58.07 | MBH | HELLOOOO |
| 10:58.10 | MBH | are you english? |
| 10:58.12 | xand | !ops MBH is spamming |
| 10:58.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: MBH is spamming |
| 10:58.19 | MBH | no i m not spamming |
| 10:58.26 | disposable | kline him somebody? |
| 10:58.27 | streuner_ | MBH: talk english |
| 10:58.30 | capiira | shut up MBH |
| 10:58.32 | MBH | ok i talk english |
| 10:58.43 | RichiH | !de |
| 10:58.43 | MBH | why i should spam |
| 10:58.44 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 10:58.48 | MBH | i am only talking |
| 10:58.51 | streuner_ | MBH: what's the problem? |
| 10:58.59 | MBH | and what i talk is my thing not yours |
| 10:59.00 | MBH | :) |
| 10:59.04 | MBH | i have no problme |
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| 10:59.13 | MBH | is it my problem when i write fast? |
| 10:59.15 | MBH | no! |
| 10:59.30 | xand | !enter |
| 10:59.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
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| 10:59.37 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 10:59.39 | capiira | no your problem is you don't write in sentences |
| 10:59.58 | perlmonkey | since upgrading my kernel to 2.6.18 i can no longer use the power-off button my workstation! any ideas? |
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| 11:00.09 | MBH | ahhh sorry but i write everytime like this, in icq too |
| 11:00.46 | xingu | hmm, fixed-in-experimental apparently |
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| 11:01.02 | xand | MBH: and? |
| 11:01.09 | MBH | and what? |
| 11:01.41 | azeem | MBH: do you have a Debian question? |
| 11:01.54 | MBH | at the moment no |
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| 11:02.00 | MBH | why |
| 11:02.19 | streuner_ | because that was the last warning |
| 11:02.20 | azeem | this is not a general chat room, it is a Debian support channel |
| 11:02.31 | MBH | when i think to stay here 24 hours a day without having a question so i do it! |
| 11:02.38 | capiira | because you was typing like your pc would explode becuase of debian |
| 11:02.54 | MBH | here are hundrets of people without questions :) |
| 11:03.00 | MBH | hehe |
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| 11:03.05 | MBH | i'm sorry |
| 11:03.39 | MBH | !debian |
| 11:03.40 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 11:04.05 | x3n0 | !beer |
| 11:04.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 11:04.08 | streuner_ | Can we get rid of this troll? |
| 11:04.10 | azeem | MBH: if you don't have questions, either help others, or keep quiet |
| 11:04.21 | MBH | ok i willl keep quiet |
| 11:04.28 | x3n0 | :) |
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| 11:04.52 | capiira | dunno why but i hate that word "troll" i hope that troll hype stops someday |
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| 11:05.36 | perlmonkey | what's the name of the mythtv package under debian? |
| 11:05.45 | streuner_ | mythtv? |
| 11:06.18 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: apt-cache search mythtv |
| 11:06.31 | perlmonkey | thanks streuner_ |
| 11:06.54 | perlmonkey | doesn't exist, I guess I have to do it manually |
| 11:07.04 | streuner_ | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:07.37 | azeem | streuner_: uhm, are you sure there is a mythtv package in Debian? |
| 11:07.39 | perlmonkey | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:07.49 | xand | mythtv isn't in etchy |
| 11:07.51 | xand | -y |
| 11:07.54 | perlmonkey | ;( |
| 11:08.06 | perlmonkey | why? |
| 11:08.08 | xingu | wtf is "etchy" |
| 11:08.10 | ciop | on etch, yes there is |
| 11:08.14 | perlmonkey | etch |
| 11:08.17 | perlmonkey | testing eh |
| 11:08.34 | xingu | !mythtv |
| 11:08.35 | dpkg | from memory, mythtv is software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting, given the right hardware, TV, movies, music, and more. http://www.mythtv.org. Not in Debian due to non-free parts. Unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card drivers, see <bttv> and <ivtv> |
| 11:08.39 | streuner_ | azeem: oh, its from marillat |
| 11:08.44 | perlmonkey | ah |
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| 11:08.56 | ciop | oh merillat, sorry |
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| 11:14.06 | Thms_ | what is the wiki etch page where there is all the problems solved in the daily build ? |
| 11:14.58 | streuner_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 11:14.59 | hark | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 11:19.05 | Virtual | The weekly builds are ok to install ? I mean do they have any major bugs or ar tested a bit ? |
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| 11:19.30 | Kevin` | weekly builds of etch? |
| 11:19.38 | Kevin` | well, it's been working for me for probably a year |
| 11:19.49 | hark | get the RC2 |
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| 11:20.47 | Virtual | hark I saw on the website the RC2 and weekly and daily builds, you recommend RC2 ? |
| 11:21.19 | liable | rc2 will be released unless theres some horrible bugs |
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| 11:21.44 | Virtual | since I have been using debian I have been installing the netinst cd and after that upgrading to unstable and from there build my system but I have heard good things about this debian installer with weekly updates and so on |
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| 11:22.06 | Kevin` | [Nathan(n=root@ip70-162-241-203.ph.ph.cox.net)] Excuse me, I'm Sorry, but I cannot figure out how to communicate in this room, mind telling me how to do it? |
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| 11:22.22 | Ronin | Nathan: dont irc as root |
| 11:22.37 | Ronin | Nathan: come back here on a user account and you'll be fine |
| 11:22.53 | hark | the rc2 should be fine, but if you want you can try out a daily |
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| 11:22.57 | liable | Nathan: the bots in this channel dont let people comment if they login as root |
| 11:23.16 | AM|R | ermmm |
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| 11:23.24 | simonrvn | it's not the bots, it's the perma-ban on root username |
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| 11:23.39 | liable | doesnt debhelper do it? |
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| 11:24.19 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 11:24.46 | hark | !ssh tunnel |
| 11:24.47 | dpkg | ssh tunnel are known for making it appear people are root on IRC. They aren't. Don't bug them. see http://www.rzg.mpg.de/networking/tunnelling.html for more info on how to set them up |
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| 11:28.48 | MAXDDARK | hello |
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| 11:29.01 | MAXDDARK | anyone using ATI videocard ? |
| 11:29.13 | ApEtc | !ask |
| 11:29.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:30.14 | Faithful | how do I log another user off in linux? |
| 11:30.29 | wols_ | Faithful: are you root? |
| 11:30.31 | liable | Faithful: kill there login shell |
| 11:30.45 | Faithful | Yes I am root |
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| 11:30.55 | wols_ | then do what liable said |
| 11:30.57 | MAXDDARK | ok, I used this guide http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html , to install my ATI video card who worked on Ubuntu. but it didn't fully worked. is there other gude or maybe I need to make changes on my xorg ? |
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| 11:31.24 | ManuP | MAXDDARK, yes, you have to change xorg. |
| 11:31.25 | wols_ | Tell MAXDDARK about fglrx one-liner |
| 11:31.35 | MAXDDARK | what ? |
| 11:31.36 | wols_ | !Tell MAXDDARK about fglrx one-liner |
| 11:31.55 | wols_ | !tell MAXDDARK about drxx |
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| 11:32.15 | azeem | MAXDDARK: what do you mean with "not fully"? |
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| 11:32.24 | ManuP | MAXDDARK, after installation you can do a aticonfig --initial |
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| 11:32.39 | ManuP | this mods xorg automatically |
| 11:32.39 | Faithful | MAXDDARK: envy is the best way to install ati drivers I have found. |
| 11:32.40 | MAXDDARK | well, it is much better then before I installed it, but still no good |
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| 11:32.45 | ManuP | i wont recommend it |
| 11:32.49 | azeem | MAXDDARK: that's not very specific |
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| 11:32.59 | wols_ | liable: right now, I am using my shitty brain. not much difference to they keyboard hm? |
| 11:33.04 | hark | wols_: you're on top in debstats (/msg dpkg prize me) ;) |
| 11:33.08 | MAXDDARK | some games won't run and the textures suck |
| 11:33.28 | wols_ | yes I am a blabbermouth... |
| 11:33.33 | MAXDDARK | is there other guide for this ? |
| 11:33.35 | liable | wols_: heh, i guess not |
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| 11:33.43 | liable | !comfort wols_ |
| 11:33.43 | dpkg | There, there, wols_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:34.00 | Faithful | MAXDDARK: envy download the right drivers and installs the correct module with the correct xmodeline for your card |
| 11:34.02 | wols_ | thank you dpkg *sniff* it's nice to be liked |
| 11:34.02 | dpkg | gern geschehen, wols_ |
| 11:34.15 | MAXDDARK | envy ??? |
| 11:34.18 | ManuP | MAXDDARK, look at this: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 11:34.20 | Faithful | envy |
| 11:34.23 | hark | MAXDDARK: do you have direct rendering? |
| 11:34.34 | liable | penis envy? |
| 11:34.34 | MAXDDARK | mmmm... dunno |
| 11:34.46 | HostilePenguin | lol |
| 11:34.47 | liable | or driver envy? |
| 11:34.48 | MAXDDARK | my videocard supports it |
| 11:34.51 | hark | glxinfo |grep direct |
| 11:35.06 | ManuP | MAXDDARK, do a glxinfo | grep direct to find out wheather you have dri |
| 11:35.11 | perlmonkey | i got no control over my power on workstation now, kernel 2.6.18 has disabled my power button :-/ |
| 11:35.46 | MAXDDARK | strange "sudo: glxinfo: command not found |
| 11:35.58 | hark | install mesa-utils |
| 11:36.00 | Faithful | MAXDDARK: http://swik.net/Envy |
| 11:36.03 | HostilePenguin | mesa-utils |
| 11:36.41 | MAXDDARK | ok, i will try this guide, sound familier and might work |
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| 11:36.47 | wols_ | MAXDDARK: are you running ubuntu? |
| 11:36.47 | perlmonkey | why does kernel 2.6.18 screw with power |
| 11:37.11 | liable | shouldnt.. |
| 11:37.13 | hark | no, don't follow that guide... |
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| 11:37.31 | liable | perlmonkey: what does acpid say when you hit the button? |
| 11:37.39 | perlmonkey | liable: it is strange, i do a shutdown now and then try to switch off, and the power button no longer has any effect |
| 11:37.55 | perlmonkey | i dunno I will try that next time |
| 11:38.08 | liable | perlmonkey: shutdown should shut it right off anyway |
| 11:38.16 | perlmonkey | :( |
| 11:38.27 | perlmonkey | I'm using a HP workstation, Kayak |
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| 11:38.36 | perlmonkey | never had this prob before with earlier kernels |
| 11:38.37 | liable | !pal perlmonkey |
| 11:38.42 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 11:38.43 | ManuP | perlmonkey, use newer kernel. |
| 11:38.59 | perlmonkey | this is a new kernel for me! i upgraded from 2.6.8 :P |
| 11:39.05 | liable | ManuP: .18 *is* new |
| 11:39.08 | HostilePenguin | newer kernel? |
| 11:39.11 | ManuP | perlmonkey, http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5534 read this and related |
| 11:39.21 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:39.25 | ManuP | .18 is rather new. |
| 11:39.39 | liable | its the newest for debian |
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| 11:39.48 | HostilePenguin | lol |
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| 11:40.00 | ManuP | well, not if you compile it yourself... |
| 11:40.03 | perlmonkey | ok well i'm on etch, so it's expected eh |
| 11:40.18 | perlmonkey | perhaps will be fixed in next kernel update |
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| 11:40.54 | liable | is there a debian bug for it? |
| 11:41.08 | MAXDDARK | I was untill yesterday, but now I'm installed Debian etch |
| 11:41.20 | pythonic | can i dlopen i386 library from amd64 app? |
| 11:41.28 | pythonic | etch rocks |
| 11:41.44 | ManuP | liable, i dont know. i have a notebook, not a workstation, but acpi isnt supported by that kernel. you have to patch. |
| 11:41.45 | liable | of course it does. :) |
| 11:41.50 | perlmonkey | seems to be |
| 11:42.00 | ManuP | perlmonkey, you need to patch it |
| 11:42.06 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 11:42.21 | ManuP | the strange thing is: ubuntu-kernel seems not to have any problems |
| 11:42.22 | liable | ManuP: hrm, i dont think i managed to use a .18, so i cant say |
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| 11:42.58 | liable | nope, 15, 16, 19 |
| 11:43.18 | liable | oh, and a .17 |
| 11:43.28 | pythonic | there were 61 rc bugs on the wall, 61 rc bugs. if one of those bugs should accidentally fall, there'd be 60 rc bugs on the wall. |
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| 11:43.52 | liable | guess i was lazy for a while and missed the 18 borkedness |
| 11:44.04 | hark | there are about 38 now :) |
| 11:44.16 | pythonic | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 11:44.32 | hark | no, that is not so accurate |
| 11:44.35 | hark | !rc bugs |
| 11:44.36 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 11:44.37 | liable | 2.6.38!? where do i get it? :P |
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| 11:45.30 | jelly-home | liable: kernel.org, in about 3 years |
| 11:45.35 | ManuP | ^^ |
| 11:45.38 | liable | wohho |
| 11:45.45 | liable | wohoo even |
| 11:46.13 | ManuP | i hope not... in 3 years i want to have 3.X :P |
| 11:46.18 | pythonic | only 38? neato! etch might release this year after all... |
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| 11:47.21 | liable | pythonic: dont count on it :) |
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| 11:48.45 | pythonic | liable: why not? i'm already counting the days since 1 december 2006 :-) |
| 11:48.57 | jelly-home | pythonic: how many? |
| 11:49.06 | pythonic | 113 days late |
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| 11:49.14 | jelly-home | :-> |
| 11:49.27 | liable | say it in months, doesnt sound so bad. |
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| 11:49.46 | pythonic | 9763200 seconds |
| 11:49.48 | jelly-home | say it with diamonds. |
| 11:50.12 | Axehat | Does anyone know what's going on here, I'm trying to launch Firefox and I get this error: |
| 11:50.17 | hark | or 9763200 seconds ;) |
| 11:50.18 | jelly-home | Happy 0x46000000 btw :-) |
| 11:50.21 | Axehat | (Gecko:32539): Pango-WARNING **: No builtin or dynamically loaded modules |
| 11:50.22 | Axehat | were found. Pango will not work correctly. This probably means |
| 11:50.22 | Axehat | there was an error in the creation of: '/etc/pango/pango.modules' |
| 11:50.22 | Axehat | You may be able to recreate this file by running pango-querymodules. |
| 11:50.22 | Axehat | (Gecko:32539): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed |
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| 11:50.51 | jelly-home | it was 0x46000000 seconds since epoch the other day |
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| 11:51.04 | xingu | jelly-home: say it with flowers, send a triffid |
| 11:51.13 | jelly-home | xingu: :-D |
| 11:51.33 | Axehat | like I was saying... Firefox, Synaptic etc... don't want to launch because of an error with Pango, any ideas? |
| 11:51.35 | liable | the triffids split up ages ago |
| 11:52.12 | wols_ | !any idea |
| 11:52.12 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little vegemite, and a handful of starving platypuses. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 11:52.45 | Axehat | (Gecko:32539): Pango-WARNING **: No builtin or dynamically loaded modules |
| 11:52.45 | Axehat | were found. Pango will not work correctly. This probably means |
| 11:52.45 | Axehat | there was an error in the creation of: '/etc/pango/pango.modules' |
| 11:52.45 | Axehat | You may be able to recreate this file by running pango-querymodules. |
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| 11:52.51 | liable | starving paltypusses are something to beware of |
| 11:53.04 | wols_ | liable: I see you have troubles with your keyboard too |
| 11:53.21 | hark | hehe |
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| 11:53.28 | liable | wols_: i have always been a really shit typer :) |
| 11:53.28 | wols_ | axehat: is it sunday where you are? |
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| 11:53.40 | solemnwarning | Is there any reason most people say swap should be 2* the size of the systems physical memory? |
| 11:53.40 | Axehat | wols_: Nope, Saturday |
| 11:53.50 | wols_ | Axehat: you could have fooled me there easily |
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| 11:53.59 | Axehat | wols_: Why |
| 11:54.00 | liable | Axehat: to fix your problem, first type in your irc client.. /nick Assehat |
| 11:54.00 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: a hysterical reason only |
| 11:54.01 | xand | Axehat: stop pasting. |
| 11:54.18 | wols_ | solemnwarning: there certainly was. not so much any more but it can still be reasonable |
| 11:54.26 | Axehat | xand: Yeah |
| 11:54.50 | bzed | solemnwarning: more a historical reason, too ;) |
| 11:54.51 | pythonic | who needs swap? |
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| 11:55.00 | Virtual | solemnwarning is better to be that way when you have low memory, like 128 ram or whatever, now I just create a 1 GB one but you can create whatever you like |
| 11:55.01 | wols_ | Axehat: you seem to have reading disabilities, that's all |
| 11:55.11 | solemnwarning | pythonic: My server :P |
| 11:55.12 | wols_ | pythonic: my 128MB notebook :) |
| 11:55.33 | pythonic | ram is cheap |
| 11:55.45 | wols_ | for servers? |
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| 11:55.47 | jelly-home | pythonic: Oracle needs it! :-) |
| 11:55.48 | HostilePenguin | cheap ? if your rich |
| 11:56.03 | jelly-home | s/needs/wants/, anyway |
| 11:56.08 | pythonic | jelly-home: only for the install. i can start oracle without swap. |
| 11:56.10 | wols_ | and RAM currently still costs the same or more than a normal CPU |
| 11:56.37 | xingu | wols_: especially when you factor in thermal units. |
| 11:56.46 | wols_ | xingu: yep |
| 11:56.57 | HostilePenguin | i cant even get 128 of pc100 for under $40 |
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| 11:57.06 | wols_ | doesn't mean RAM is almost always better than swap of course |
| 11:57.29 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: cause it's PC100 which is an antique nowadays |
| 11:57.37 | jelly-home | HostilePenguin: it's too old, so prices go up. But something like DDR333 or 400 should be reasonably cheap |
| 11:57.55 | wols_ | jelly-home: no. DDR is getting expensive already too. DDR2 is mainstream now |
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| 11:58.39 | xingu | there's a very good reason to allow 2x overcommit (by sizing swap at 2x physical) |
| 11:58.43 | HostilePenguin | do they run ddr2 in dual channel? |
| 11:58.44 | jelly-home | wols_: servers me right for not updating me hardware |
| 11:58.46 | xingu | rss != shm. |
| 11:58.55 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: yes. usually |
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| 11:59.11 | wols_ | xingu: how does swap help? |
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| 11:59.24 | wols_ | RSS is committed and most of shm is committed |
| 11:59.45 | xingu | wols_: sane vmm enforces a policy of allocating backing store for all pageable memory |
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| 12:00.03 | wols_ | xingu: again. how does it matter |
| 12:00.04 | xingu | wols_: otherwise your failure modes become truely loopy |
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| 12:00.11 | aronofsky | hi guys, im looking for a good chess game to play on FICS, im looking for a nice GUI ... any advice ? |
| 12:00.15 | wols_ | anything only allocated but not committted is only meta information |
| 12:00.19 | jelly-home | xingu: like what? If my machine eats that much memory, it's usually faster to just push the reset button than wait for it to OOM kill something |
| 12:00.50 | wols_ | aronofsky: battle chess. dunno aboujt FICS stuf, but it surely has a pretty gui |
| 12:01.03 | liable | whats FICS? |
| 12:01.06 | xingu | wols_: ie, under contention if you're trying to allocate backing store at the point contention becomes an issue, you're toast |
| 12:01.14 | jelly-home | liable: chess server/protocol |
| 12:01.45 | xingu | jelly-home: that's the classic embedded approach but it's not practical on systems with dynamic/variant workloads |
| 12:01.50 | wols_ | aronofsky: mea culpa "brutal chess" |
| 12:01.52 | liable | jelly-home: ta |
| 12:02.05 | wols_ | http://brutalchess.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:02.11 | cahoot | aronofsky: something here? http://applications.linux.com/applications/07/03/15/1722207.shtml?tid=13&tid=8 |
| 12:03.05 | Axehat | Does anyone feel like pointing me in the right direction without being a total jerk about it? |
| 12:03.26 | wols_ | Axehat: read the fine error message? |
| 12:03.48 | Axehat | It says to run 'pango-querymodules' which I have done several times and as root... |
| 12:03.55 | wols_ | Axehat: how did you install pnago and from where? under what branch of debian? |
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| 12:04.13 | Axehat | wols_: Sarge (stable) using apt-get |
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| 12:04.38 | jelly-home | xingu: Experience with our eg. shared web hosting machines, if one of those got into heavy swapping, it was usually resolved by doing a warm start (reboot)... |
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| 12:05.09 | jelly-home | xingu: not really embedded :-) |
| 12:05.11 | Axehat | wols_: The package came from the Debian UK mirror |
| 12:05.27 | wols_ | Axehat: and stuff like firefox as well? |
| 12:05.39 | xingu | jelly-home: it's only extremely recently that the linux vvm and io layers were worth a damn under a heavy paging workload |
| 12:05.45 | Axehat | wols_: Yeah |
| 12:05.54 | wols_ | but anyways: the error says it all. so why are you asking US? |
| 12:06.00 | wols_ | have you even read the error? |
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| 12:06.15 | Axehat | wols_: I have read the error |
| 12:06.24 | wols_ | and what did you do after reading? |
| 12:06.30 | xingu | jelly-home: prior to 2.6.18 I wouldn't rate anyone's chances and even so you have *got* to twiddle the knobs right to get behaviour that has shipped out of the box on other platforms |
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| 12:07.57 | pythonic | anyone else have internet addiction? |
| 12:07.57 | wols_ | Axehat: what did you do? |
| 12:08.20 | wols_ | pythonic: would be easier to ask here who doesn't. smaller answer set too |
| 12:08.25 | Axehat | wols_: Just executed 'firefox' from Konsole |
| 12:08.48 | xingu | jelly-home: and if you think a swapstorm on a webserver is fun, I'll see your workload and raise you a dns cache |
| 12:08.50 | jelly-home | xingu: oh. that would correspond well with our experience... this was a few months ago, the machine had been AFAIR running something < 2.6.18 and there's no special tuning in /proc / /sys |
| 12:08.55 | wols_ | aha. so you read the error but you had no understanding of either my wuestion nor the error message |
| 12:08.56 | pythonic | SELECT * FROM "users" WHERE NOT "addicted_to_internet"; |
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| 12:09.16 | Axehat | wols_: Then maybe you should be a bit more specific |
| 12:09.29 | jelly-home | xingu: hehe, our dnscaches run on Solaris/x86 and we have absolutely 0 problems with 'em |
| 12:09.30 | wols_ | read the error message again. what does it say? |
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| 12:09.55 | wols_ | Axehat: and you misanswering a question clearly, won't help me reposing the question. I am not you |
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| 12:11.00 | Axehat | wols_: The error message says that it can't find any modules and that there may have been an error in creating /etc/pango.pango.modules |
| 12:11.13 | wols_ | Axehat: yes but it says more! |
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| 12:11.40 | Virtual | Axehat it tells you even how to resolve... |
| 12:11.42 | Axehat | wols_: It also says to run pango-querymodules |
| 12:11.48 | wols_ | and you did? |
| 12:12.01 | Axehat | wols_: several times, I'm not a complete retard |
| 12:12.13 | HostilePenguin | probally font issues |
| 12:12.13 | wols_ | that is still open to debate |
| 12:12.18 | Virtual | Axehat then you should have included the output from that also |
| 12:12.21 | wols_ | what with pango-querymodules spit out? |
| 12:12.23 | Virtual | wols_ :)) |
| 12:12.34 | wols_ | s/with/did |
| 12:12.52 | Axehat | wols_: I'll get kicked if I paste the output, and you know that |
| 12:12.57 | wols_ | !paste |
| 12:12.57 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 12:13.19 | wols_ | if you read the topic you'd seen that long ago |
| 12:13.21 | Axehat | wols_: it lists a load of shared objects in /usr/local/ |
| 12:13.36 | jelly-home | xingu: for desktops, I kinda like ck patchset's preemptive swapping, keeps things running rather smooth (except right after a resume, when it swaps in more than the normal kernel) |
| 12:13.39 | Axehat | wols_: /usr/local/lib/pango/1.5.0/modules/ |
| 12:13.42 | wols_ | Axehat: now something is really wrong. debian packages or binaries are not in /usr/local... |
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| 12:13.53 | wols_ | this doesn't look like a edbian package to me |
| 12:14.00 | liable | wtf is it looking in /usr/local for? |
| 12:14.05 | Axehat | No idea |
| 12:14.05 | xingu | jelly-home: yep. |
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| 12:14.15 | wols_ | liable: Axehat has been naughty and not using debian packages imho |
| 12:14.22 | Virtual | :)) |
| 12:14.35 | liable | wols_: he's done something funky indeed |
| 12:14.53 | liable | and is not telling us about it |
| 12:14.57 | HostilePenguin | lmao |
| 12:14.57 | xingu | jelly-home: he also has a patchset for swappiness autotuning |
| 12:15.05 | wols_ | Axehat: there is NO pango 1.5.0 in sarge. sarge has pango 1.0 |
| 12:15.12 | xingu | jelly-home: or is that what you're referring to? |
| 12:15.15 | wols_ | so you did NOT install from a UK stable mirror |
| 12:15.31 | Axehat | wols_: I did compile the source for pango |
| 12:15.35 | jelly-home | xingu: not sure, I think not |
| 12:15.37 | loxley_ | tada |
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| 12:15.42 | Virtual | Anybody tried to install Debian recently on a Dell laptop? Does it recognizez the wlan card ? I am downloading as we speak the RC2 version debian installer with KDE... |
| 12:15.42 | Axehat | AND the package |
| 12:15.48 | wols_ | Axehat: you did install packages from elsewhere that depended on pango 1.5 therefore pango 1.5 was installed from the same elsewhere |
| 12:16.12 | xingu | jelly-home: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3216 |
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| 12:16.25 | wols_ | !tell Axehat about bpo |
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| 12:16.37 | empgdjh | Virtual: you should be so lucky ... wireless .... nooooooo...... |
| 12:16.43 | wols_ | Virtual: your question is about as meaningful as talking to axehat |
| 12:17.00 | Bawbag | wols_: Is that.. meaningful? |
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| 12:17.08 | wols_ | Bawbag: very |
| 12:17.08 | liable | Virtual: depends on the card.... |
| 12:17.09 | Axehat | No, it's not |
| 12:17.18 | Virtual | wols_ lol ? I just wanted to know if I will run into issues with my wlan card, why is that meaningless ? |
| 12:17.25 | wols_ | Axehat: it's not meaningful to talk to you? awww.... |
| 12:17.37 | HostilePenguin | wow this is hardcore today |
| 12:17.45 | HostilePenguin | cant wait till tomorrow |
| 12:17.48 | wols_ | Virtual: have you any clue how many different chips dell uses in their notebooks? |
| 12:17.49 | Virtual | liable its a Dell Wireless Card 1390 ... no idea what the chipset is though... |
| 12:17.51 | Axehat | I just wanted a little help from someone with more experience than me! Is that so hard? |
| 12:18.05 | Axehat | Aparently, it is |
| 12:18.11 | wols_ | Axehat: then you need to tell us the truth |
| 12:18.12 | pythonic | HostilePenguin: no, this is hardcore: http://www.google.com/search?q=hardcore |
| 12:18.16 | liable | Virtual: saying you have a dell is like saying i drive a ford and need a new engine... |
| 12:18.24 | wols_ | cause we are unfortunately not psychic |
| 12:18.36 | liable | Virtual: you really need to find the chipset |
| 12:18.37 | pythonic | psychotic, perhaps |
| 12:18.39 | wols_ | if people tel me the files come from a stable uk mirror I believe them. you however lied |
| 12:18.44 | xand | Virtual: what OS is on the laptop now? |
| 12:18.53 | str4` | I'll find out |
| 12:19.01 | pythonic | liar, liar, pants on fire |
| 12:19.10 | Virtual | liable: its a brand new inspiron 1501... i will go into dell website in a moment and check it out... maybe they list the chipset |
| 12:19.12 | wols_ | Axehat: short answer you fscked up your compile someehoe of pango |
| 12:19.25 | xand | Virtual: if it has windows, look in device manager and you will see |
| 12:19.26 | Virtual | xand: right now that laptop runs Vista |
| 12:19.30 | liable | Virtual: linux-laptop.net |
| 12:19.35 | Axehat | wols_: I figured that out a long time ago |
| 12:19.37 | xand | right, look in device manager |
| 12:19.39 | Virtual | xand: dooh, I know that, it just says Dell Wireless Card 1390 |
| 12:19.42 | wols_ | Axehat: and you did not make a debian package of pango or if you did a very shitty one since debian packages do NOT install in /usr/local or look up anything in there |
| 12:19.44 | Axehat | wols_: Well, thanks for the help |
| 12:19.52 | Virtual | liable, thank you |
| 12:19.54 | xand | I see |
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| 12:20.01 | wols_ | Axehat: I gave you a pointer to where a proper, working pango should be |
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| 12:20.52 | wols_ | alphatauri: cause debian has none. which leads me to believe you don't really need pango 1.5 for whateevr you are doing |
| 12:21.00 | wols_ | oh, he's gone |
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| 12:21.28 | pythonic | what does mode change "+l 732" mean? |
| 12:21.29 | loxley_ | wols, i just installed a mozilla package from a stable se mirror, but the binaries ends up in /etc/ what could be the problem? |
| 12:21.35 | Virtual | liable there it indicates the best distro for that particular laptop ? |
| 12:21.42 | wols_ | liable: the BINARY? |
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| 12:21.54 | xand | pythonic: max 732 people in the channel |
| 12:22.12 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.20 | liable | Virtual: no, but it gives peoples stories from whatever distro they used, you should at least be able to find the chipset |
| 12:22.25 | liable | wols_: eh? |
| 12:22.25 | wols_ | pythonic: it prevents mass joins |
| 12:22.26 | empgdjh | Virtual: If my experience is anything to go by setting up wlan is a massive pain - I finally lucked out using a card from Belkin - G+ MIMO. Chipset is RT6100 drivers from http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 12:22.40 | wols_ | which tax a irc server A LOT, since those are system wide events |
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| 12:22.54 | jelly-home | xingu: thanks, I don't see it at the ck patchset webpage now, could be the issue was tackled by other means ("mapped watermark & friends -- More gentle ram eviction sooner and less file cache (unlikely to swap)", and "swap prefetch & friends") |
| 12:22.59 | wols_ | s/system/network/ |
| 12:23.31 | RichiH | xand: 772 according to setplit |
| 12:23.31 | RichiH | netsplit* |
| 12:23.31 | pythonic | i see. so debhelper is a bot that adjusts the max dynamically |
| 12:23.31 | wols_ | liable: should have been loxley. you know my keyboard/brain problems, so STFU :P |
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| 12:23.33 | xand | RichiH: what? |
| 12:24.01 | Axehat | wols_: I'm removing the packages and uninstalling pango and I'll reinstall it |
| 12:24.04 | loxley_ | wols_: i was just joking btw |
| 12:24.18 | liable | wols_: dude, i am eating noodles, no time to scaroll to see if you have done your usual keytard thing! :P |
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| 12:24.30 | liable | oh dear |
| 12:24.36 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.39 | xingu | jelly-home: setting laptop mode can have amusing side-effects due the way your io gets resorted; dirty page commits get batched and flushed only when there's some other reason for io |
| 12:24.46 | wols_ | liable: don't hog all the noodles. I'm getting hungry |
| 12:25.01 | xand | poodles |
| 12:25.02 | HostilePenguin | eggs and toast here |
| 12:25.11 | HostilePenguin | tang |
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| 12:25.28 | xingu | jelly-home: for a typical swan dive failure the behaviour is different and usually good I've found; I've taken to enabling it by default on servers just for that reason |
| 12:25.30 | wols_ | Axehat: what package did want pango 1.5? |
| 12:25.56 | liable | HostilePenguin: are you the person who had cold maccas yesterday? and tang? |
| 12:26.00 | wols_ | xingu: "swan dive failure"? |
| 12:26.01 | Axehat | wols_:swfdec |
| 12:26.11 | jelly-home | xingu: what, laptop-mode on a server? ;-) |
| 12:26.18 | HostilePenguin | yes my heart is going to pop |
| 12:26.25 | Axehat | wols_: The compilation of the pango source failed which is why I didn't mention it |
| 12:26.26 | xingu | jelly-home: typically a server that's busy ploughing a trench toward the other hemisphere has page faults in/out mixed up with dirty page commits mixed up with journal flushes |
| 12:26.28 | jelly-home | xingu: just for the io delay? |
| 12:26.41 | xingu | jelly-home: and for the batching/ sorting of the io requests yes |
| 12:26.44 | wols_ | Axehat: is it better than gnash? |
| 12:26.55 | liable | HostilePenguin: i only recall because you said 'tang' again |
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| 12:27.03 | HostilePenguin | i love tang |
| 12:27.29 | Virtual | liable ok, guess its a broadcom because I saw the guy there use bcm43xx which is a driver for broadcom, also dpkg says its not included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2, do you know by any chance if the RC2 versio I am downloading now has that or a newer kernel ? |
| 12:27.56 | Axehat | wols_: Gnash? |
| 12:27.56 | Bawbag | !info testing |
| 12:27.58 | liable | Virtual: it wont work out of the box for your wireless, no :( |
| 12:28.01 | wols_ | !gnash |
| 12:28.01 | dpkg | it has been said that gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. ... |
| 12:28.17 | Axehat | Wow, sounds good |
| 12:28.18 | liable | Virtual: and broadcoms suck, ndiswrapper seems to be the best bet for them |
| 12:28.26 | azeem | there's also swfdec |
| 12:28.31 | wols_ | liable: bcm43xx? |
| 12:28.36 | Virtual | liable yeah, that is what he used but his choice was ubuntu |
| 12:28.51 | wols_ | azeem: that's what he tried and got him into pango mess for some reason |
| 12:29.22 | wols_ | Axehat: using stable for such cutting etch software is no good. use testing :) |
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| 12:29.28 | liable | my noodles came with this paste instead of powder, they tasted good, but i think i could varnish a door with the liquid left over :/ |
| 12:29.38 | azeem | wols_: ok, I didn't follow along |
| 12:29.41 | wols_ | liable: and no, this is no keytard or freudian slip there :P |
| 12:29.58 | Axehat | wols_: I know I should |
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| 12:30.17 | xingu | wols_: I'm sure you've had one, where your system is overwhelmed with io to the point where it tears itself a new one; the system is so tardy at retiring io requests that new ones are started as a direct result and the whole thing goes uncontrollably pearshaped |
| 12:30.33 | xingu | wols_: ... and as jelly says it becomes easier to hit the big red button than fix the problem inline |
| 12:31.04 | wols_ | most times sooner or later I get OOMs and the culprit dies |
| 12:31.11 | wols_ | or the system crashes |
| 12:31.16 | Axehat | I guess you can use Apt to change to a different branch, right? |
| 12:31.18 | wols_ | cause I mostly run without swap :P |
| 12:31.31 | wols_ | !tell Axehat about sarge->etch |
| 12:31.35 | jelly-home | xingu: so, do you have laptop-mode enabled by default, or use some sort of a trigger to enable it? |
| 12:31.44 | xingu | jelly-home: sysct.conf |
| 12:31.46 | xingu | sysctl |
| 12:31.50 | wols_ | xingu: of course before the culprit dies, OOMs kill a lot of other things first |
| 12:31.56 | xingu | yes |
| 12:31.59 | xingu | like say sshd |
| 12:32.04 | wols_ | yes |
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| 12:32.22 | xingu | thank ${deity} for tco-timer watchdogs |
| 12:32.26 | dutchfish | is there anyone out there that used a bridge with 2 physical adapters as a firewall and iptables filering with conntrack for logging in relation to mrtg? |
| 12:32.47 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 12:32.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:32.51 | jelly-home | "don't kill these processes please Mr. OOM killer" |
| 12:33.01 | Gnea | dutchfish: why? |
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| 12:33.31 | dutchfish | my real question is does it perform on 1Gb connection well enough or do i need massive cpu cycles |
| 12:33.41 | xingu | jelly-home: if you ever have one of those storms sometimes a little drop_caches love and swappiness=20 or so can bring it back under control |
| 12:33.55 | Axehat | wols_: reinstalled pango from the mirror, It's all working now! |
| 12:33.59 | Axehat | My fault as usual |
| 12:34.29 | jelly-home | xingu: /me takes notes :-) |
| 12:34.32 | wols_ | about 95%+ of all computer problems are pebkac. at least mine are |
| 12:34.44 | Axehat | Heh, same |
| 12:34.48 | jelly-home | wols_: change the chair! |
| 12:34.58 | xingu | jelly-home: last time I looked at one there was a three-way lose lose lose between vmm dirtying pages in application working set, journal device committing writes, and pagein of demand paged executables/libraries and pageout of working set |
| 12:35.01 | pythonic | change the keyboard! |
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| 12:35.07 | Axehat | Change your hands |
| 12:35.20 | jelly-home | blame Canada |
| 12:35.24 | Axehat | heheh |
| 12:35.28 | Axehat | Works for me |
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| 12:35.40 | pythonic | reflect, repent, retry |
| 12:35.41 | dutchfish | Gnea, i am trying to replace a ISA server with that solution, just want an esitimate on what i need for hardware |
| 12:35.53 | xingu | jelly-home: laptop mode and sata+ncq gives me more predictable behaviour under pressure I find |
| 12:35.57 | dutchfish | Gnea, estimate* |
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| 12:37.00 | Gnea | dutchfish: well, it'll work just fine... your real question is fairly vague... if you want to know if it'll work, yes, it will. the more traffic that pumps through it, the more cpu cycles that it will need to keep up, that's just common sense. |
| 12:37.18 | wols_ | dutchfish: since you need hardware capable of GBit, the CPU won't be a bettleneck imho |
| 12:37.41 | wols_ | there just isn't a CPU low enough for it to matter for GBit which can acutally use GBIT ethernet |
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| 12:37.53 | wols_ | unless you buy a PCI-X PIII setup of course |
| 12:38.17 | dutchfish | Gnea, in my test on a faily nice P4 machine i needed more cycles on that testbed then i had available mostly related to contrack logging |
| 12:38.26 | cha0tic | i need to take another harddrive out of one of my dead boxes and put it into a new one, however my problem is that the new box already has a drive mounted as /home |
| 12:38.42 | cha0tic | the drive i need to move to the new box is also mounted as /home |
| 12:38.47 | cha0tic | will i have issues? |
| 12:38.58 | jelly-home | xingu: well, it will be tried when in happens again... our users manage to swamp the machine(s) every now and then, so it's just a matter of time |
| 12:39.00 | cha0tic | i need the data off that hard drive. |
| 12:39.04 | dutchfish | Gnea, it boils down to the more connection you have simultanously the more cycles i need |
| 12:39.17 | wols_ | cha0tic: just mount it on another mount point |
| 12:39.26 | dutchfish | Gnea, bandwidth was no problem |
| 12:39.39 | cha0tic | will do. thanks |
| 12:39.48 | xingu | conntrack can get indigestion with large numbers of active flows |
| 12:40.22 | wols_ | dutchfish: did you try it with conntrack only or with mrtg reading your oonntrack? |
| 12:40.41 | dutchfish | xingu, yes thats why i asked how much CPU power i need on a 1 Gb connection 70% load AV at 98% perc. with estimated 2000 connections avg |
| 12:41.20 | dutchfish | wols_, mrtg is shedules nightly |
| 12:41.46 | wols_ | the component which gathers the data is ran more often, no? |
| 12:41.56 | wols_ | and IIRC it's written in perl which means lots of cycles needed |
| 12:42.13 | dutchfish | wols_, yes but that doesnt seam to take cycles at all |
| 12:42.19 | wols_ | meaning you could optimize that a lot by C |
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| 12:42.40 | dutchfish | wols_, its conntrack that produces the load somehow |
| 12:42.47 | wols_ | strange |
| 12:43.03 | dutchfish | wols_, specially when i use iptstate |
| 12:44.12 | dutchfish | wols_, could also be related to iptables sometimes getting more cycles then normal |
| 12:44.31 | dutchfish | wols_, but i assumed its all netfilter in the kernel |
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| 12:45.20 | Axehat | Just switching from Sarge to Etch |
| 12:45.32 | dutchfish | wols_, could it be related to how many rules you have in iptables? |
| 12:45.41 | dutchfish | wols_, is there a ceiling? |
| 12:46.12 | wols_ | no clue actually |
| 12:46.40 | wols_ | but conntrack is kerne code yes |
| 12:46.48 | dutchfish | wols_, no problem ill will figur eit out in the end |
| 12:46.57 | wols_ | and considering how well L7 filtering works with lower end hardware, I'm kinda surprised |
| 12:47.08 | dutchfish | wols_, so through |
| 12:48.04 | dutchfish | wols_, the problems start (performance) when i reach 800 connections or more on this machine |
| 12:48.45 | jelly-home | dutchfish: sounds like a question for lkml or linux-net |
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| 12:48.59 | aronofsky | hi,im looking for a non-web-based mysql browser and admin free tools on debian, id like to know what are the more complete apps todays in this area ? |
| 12:49.09 | dutchfish | wols_, my next plan is the setup a ramdisk completely for /var. There is 8Gb in this machine |
| 12:49.27 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 12:49.34 | dutchfish | wols_, and rsync it to a backup dir |
| 12:49.43 | wols_ | dutchfish: what is in /var? mrtg data? |
| 12:49.43 | dury | I've just installed debian etch |
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| 12:49.50 | dutchfish | wols_, yes |
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| 12:50.00 | wols_ | but you said MRTG is no problem? |
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| 12:50.46 | dutchfish | wols_, no but maybe the raid system is overloaded wich could cause extra cpu cycles |
| 12:50.53 | jelly-home | dutchfish: what eats cpu the most, which process/thread? system time, user time? iowait? |
| 12:50.59 | wols_ | overloaded with what? |
| 12:51.08 | dutchfish | jelly-home, conntrack and iptables |
| 12:51.12 | dury | the problem it's want to configure by wizard the network card in sarge I did it installing the package etherconf, what about in etch |
| 12:51.21 | wols_ | and wouldn't the MRTG writes show up in MRTG's process time? |
| 12:51.38 | wols_ | !tell dury about interfaces |
| 12:51.42 | dutchfish | wols_, they do but it is so minor on load |
| 12:51.44 | jelly-home | dutchfish: care to pastebin a typical top output and vmstat 1 / iostat -x 1 ? |
| 12:52.06 | dutchfish | jelly-home, i am not at work atm sorry |
| 12:52.16 | HostilePenguin | can you tell yourself somthing |
| 12:52.22 | wols_ | dutchfish: I'd run a test without any MRTG at all imho |
| 12:52.37 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: yes but it's bad form to do so |
| 12:52.38 | dutchfish | wols_, i did not much change |
| 12:52.51 | wols_ | dutchfish: then changing /var to ramdisk won't help imho |
| 12:53.10 | dutchfish | wols_, there is more logged in in /var then mrtg |
| 12:53.16 | wols_ | syslog? |
| 12:53.24 | dutchfish | wols_, as an example, yes |
| 12:53.37 | wols_ | don't have any logging rules in your iptables setup |
| 12:53.41 | dury | wols_: my apt-get it's not working can't install packages it says "segmentation faulty" |
| 12:54.01 | dutchfish | wols_, i could try that, thx, maybe |
| 12:54.37 | wols_ | dutchfish: however, if it's the logs, syslog would spiral out of control using cycles of course |
| 12:54.48 | dutchfish | wols_, my point |
| 12:55.01 | eleftherios | is there a quick and easy utility that will keep two folders (one on my drive the other on a removable drive) in sync? |
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| 12:55.08 | wols_ | dutchfish: well, if it doesn't, syslog is not a problem |
| 12:55.09 | dutchfish | wols_, anyway i try with /var in ramdisk as a testcase |
| 12:55.18 | wols_ | eleftherios: rsync |
| 12:55.39 | eleftherios | anything other than rsync |
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| 12:56.00 | wols_ | dury: that has nothing to do with interfaces directly, but i's quite serious. |
| 12:56.04 | dutchfish | wols_, its not massive data but massive seaks the torture the disks i suspect |
| 12:56.14 | jelly-home | eleftherios: subversion? :-) |
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| 12:56.28 | dutchfish | wols_, or can i influence sync? |
| 12:56.50 | wols_ | sync? |
| 12:57.01 | dutchfish | wols_, or maybe ext3 is not that suitable for /var? |
| 12:57.06 | eleftherios | jelly-home, are you joking? I use subversion everyday at work, no I meant something that is really easy and straightforward, that doesn't reuire yout o use the command line and that a newbie can use from gnome or something |
| 12:57.13 | wols_ | I guess you could use NCQ sata or the like (e.g. use s P965 chipset with AHCI for the mobo) |
| 12:57.14 | dutchfish | wols_, and i mean /var/log |
| 12:57.23 | dury | wols_: all right... what should I do what you suggest? |
| 12:57.42 | jelly-home | eleftherios: I was half joking right. There's thing thing called unison that I have no experience with. |
| 12:57.47 | dutchfish | wols_, write-caching in relation to the sync kernel process? |
| 12:57.59 | eleftherios | jelly-home, it was a scary joke :-) |
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| 12:58.13 | wols_ | dutchfish: dunno sorry |
| 12:58.30 | dutchfish | wols_, np, if i get it to work ill publish some day |
| 12:58.35 | wols_ | you could mount the partition noatime |
| 12:58.48 | dutchfish | wols_, noatime? |
| 12:58.51 | wols_ | e.g. like it's done for mailservers with maildir |
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| 12:58.58 | dutchfish | wols_, yes |
| 12:59.07 | wols_ | but syslog is a single big file and syslog is smart so I doubt it'll help |
| 12:59.14 | dutchfish | wols_, that will be my first try, thx |
| 12:59.16 | wols_ | syslogd is smart that is |
| 12:59.56 | dutchfish | wols_, looking at tail -f /var/log/syslog reveales no caching whatsoever |
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| 13:00.14 | dutchfish | wols_, it flows in lines not blocks |
| 13:00.41 | bzed | wols_: are you runnign a debian standard kernel? |
| 13:00.47 | xingu | dutchfish: edit syslog.conf, change .../var/log/syslog to ...-/var/log/syslog |
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| 13:00.55 | dutchfish | bzed, etch 2.6.18-4 |
| 13:00.58 | wols_ | bzed: no. not for a looong time excluding totally fresh installs |
| 13:01.13 | dutchfish | xingu, what does - do? |
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| 13:01.17 | fsniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.29 | wols_ | bzed: I install amd then go to kernel.org to get the latest "stable" kernel sources |
| 13:01.29 | bzed | dutchfish: can you give me the output of uname -r please? I'm writing a howto for people with a standard kernel, but I'm not using one |
| 13:01.42 | bzed | wols_: yeah, same here :) |
| 13:01.47 | xingu | dutchfish: omit syncing after writing to it |
| 13:02.07 | dutchfish | bzed, 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:02.45 | dutchfish | xingu, thank you very much! |
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| 13:03.53 | dutchfish | xingu, is there a catch with this (memmory)? |
| 13:04.13 | xingu | dutchfish: conntrack can really chomp cpu |
| 13:04.16 | jelly-home | eleftherios: specifying the usage style helped, I didn't know you wanted something like My Briefcase |
| 13:04.20 | dutchfish | xingu, yes |
| 13:04.23 | wols_ | dutchfish: the catch is you need to be on a UPS or powerloss loses (more) data I guess |
| 13:04.34 | xingu | dutchfish: yes, if your system fails the log might be incomplete at the point of failure |
| 13:04.41 | dutchfish | wols_, or shedule a flush eg sync? |
| 13:04.56 | xingu | dutchfish: what connection rate (new flows per second) is your system looking at? |
| 13:05.14 | dutchfish | xingu, between ~ 800 - 2000 connections |
| 13:05.15 | bzed | dutchfish: thank you :) btw, I'm using a firewall with 2x gbit interfaces. don't use mrtg on that, it's usually just idle, although it's using much conntrack. but there's usually not 1GB running trough it, more like 100M |
| 13:05.27 | xingu | dutchfish: concurrent, or new flows per second? |
| 13:05.28 | bzed | dutchfish: except for the backup, but that's not using conntrack... |
| 13:05.33 | wols_ | dutchfish: no. he askes the rate of new connections per second |
| 13:05.38 | dutchfish | xingu, new flows per sec |
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| 13:05.57 | xingu | dutchfish: I'm not surprised your box is falling apart then; go buy a netscreen. |
| 13:06.07 | bzed | dutchfish: I'm at work in april again, feel free to poke me then and I can grab you some statistics if you want |
| 13:06.14 | eleftherios | jello, unison looks fine. What is "My Briefcase"? |
| 13:06.16 | dury | wols_: all right... what should I do what you suggest about that error segmemtation faulty |
| 13:06.23 | eleftherios | jelly-home, unison looks fine. What is "My Briefcase"? |
| 13:06.40 | jelly-home | eleftherios: Briefcase is (was?) a similar feature in Windows |
| 13:06.43 | dutchfish | xingu, can i releave some with more cpu power? what would you suggest? |
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| 13:07.01 | eleftherios | jelly-home, oh I see |
| 13:07.03 | dury | wols_: install again? |
| 13:07.09 | wols_ | dutchfish: no clue what causes it. could very well be hardware failure |
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| 13:07.22 | xingu | dutchfish: core2extreme. |
| 13:07.41 | wols_ | dutchfish: a kentsfield CPU |
| 13:07.45 | xingu | dutchfish: you need flow tracking to be done on an asic at those sorts of arrival rates |
| 13:07.56 | xingu | dutchfish: netscreen make one of the better ones |
| 13:08.00 | eleftherios | jelly-home, unison is what I was looking for, well thought out and quick. Thank you :-) |
| 13:08.01 | dutchfish | xingu, ok |
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| 13:08.32 | jelly-home | eleftherios: np, glad to be of help |
| 13:08.46 | wols_ | xingu: could a quadcore work or is the workload falling under amdahls law somehow? |
| 13:09.00 | dutchfish | wols_, yes i want to know that too |
| 13:09.34 | wols_ | dutchfish: try a dual core cpu and try once without SMP kernel, once with |
| 13:09.51 | dutchfish | wols_, ok i will |
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| 13:10.30 | wols_ | let's hope the netwfilter guys did good work on SMP :) |
| 13:10.33 | dutchfish | wols_, i can disable smp with stock kernel now i believe, there is no separate smp kernel anymore |
| 13:11.20 | dutchfish | wols_, i had a simlair problem with a xen-system |
| 13:12.47 | dutchfish | wols_, i hope the amd64 release will be better anyway |
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| 13:15.46 | dury | wols_: have you got time for me just a minute |
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| 13:17.04 | dury | wols_: what should I do what you suggest about that error segmemtation faulty |
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| 13:18.13 | bzed | !tell enouf about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:18.40 | dutchfish | dury, when you got this seg fault? |
| 13:18.52 | bzed | wols_: just fyi, I've rewritten the nvidia one-liner, hope I didn;t miss anythign |
| 13:18.56 | enouf | bzed: d u d e .. |
| 13:19.14 | dury | dutchfish: yesterday |
| 13:19.21 | dury | dutchfish: why |
| 13:19.23 | enouf | I'd check it if i knew enough about it, which I don't ;-) |
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| 13:19.46 | enouf | bzed: nice work .. barring any typos, misfires ;-) |
| 13:20.02 | dutchfish | dury, :) i meant with when: during boot, starting up a executable, etc? |
| 13:20.23 | bzed | enouf: please correct all typos if there're any :P |
| 13:20.51 | zamuro | What's the packagename I need to dpkg-reconfigure in order to change xserver on sarge? |
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| 13:21.25 | dutchfish | zamuro, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org? |
| 13:21.30 | dury | dutchfish: I really don't know, perhaps when I was doing apt-get install some package |
| 13:21.37 | zamuro | dutchfish: That'll be on etch... |
| 13:21.47 | zamuro | I'm talking about sarge |
| 13:21.50 | dutchfish | zamuro, sorry you are right, my fault |
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| 13:21.57 | dury | dutchfish: or something I don't know |
| 13:22.31 | dutchfish | dury, you could try apt-get -f install |
| 13:22.40 | dury | ok |
| 13:22.58 | hark | !drxx zamuro |
| 13:22.59 | dpkg | zamuro: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:23.15 | zamuro | Oh... thamks |
| 13:23.19 | zamuro | thanks** |
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| 13:24.22 | dury | dutchfish: again segmentation faulty tree... 62% |
| 13:24.24 | dutchfish | bungle, http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~bjorn/CS200/linux_tutorial/ |
| 13:24.25 | asg | bungle: gcc -o hello hello.c |
| 13:24.55 | dutchfish | dury, try apt-get remove --purge [package] after that reinstall it again |
| 13:25.16 | dury | which package |
| 13:25.36 | dutchfish | dury, the one that gave this error |
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| 13:25.46 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | hello |
| 13:25.48 | hark | dury: remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin and run an update |
| 13:25.53 | bungle | hello.c being something like : void main(){printf("helloworld");} yes? |
| 13:26.05 | dutchfish | dury, or apt-get clean |
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| 13:26.20 | dury | I mean whatever package I try to install gives that error |
| 13:26.20 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | im triying from two days compiling my first kernel, I always receive errors and its not the lilo, someone can help me with the menuconfig? |
| 13:26.25 | hark | dutchfish: no |
| 13:26.26 | asg | bungle: essentially. |
| 13:27.04 | bungle | thx fish & asg! |
| 13:27.11 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | plz |
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| 13:27.30 | dutchfish | hark, you suspect a fault during tar x? |
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| 13:27.50 | hark | does it segfault during an update? |
| 13:27.51 | dury | dutchfish: I did clean and now? |
| 13:28.06 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | plz |
| 13:28.16 | dutchfish | dury, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
| 13:28.28 | hark | AnarkiaEsLiberta: why compile? |
| 13:28.31 | wols_ | !tell AnarkiaEsLiberta about ask |
| 13:28.37 | dutchfish | dury, then reinstall if neccesary |
| 13:28.46 | dutchfish | dury, the package |
| 13:29.19 | wols_ | AnarkiaEsLiberta: you want your harddisk controller and / filesystem compiled into the kernel. |
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| 13:29.34 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | hark, because i havent x...because i need support for networking... wols_ : i need somenone to guide me in menuconfig |
| 13:30.13 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | and also the startup takes a lot of time,i need to delete things from the kernel also |
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| 13:30.33 | wols_ | AnarkiaEsLiberta: that startup argument is BS |
| 13:30.44 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | bs? |
| 13:30.58 | asg | Belgian Swill |
| 13:31.01 | hark | uh huh.. and how are we supposed to even help without the error? |
| 13:31.03 | wols_ | AnarkiaEsLiberta: you won't find someone doing the work for you imho. ask specific questions get specific answers |
| 13:31.10 | wols_ | AnarkiaEsLiberta: bs = bullshit |
| 13:31.35 | dutchfish | !shit |
| 13:31.35 | dpkg | somebody said shit was fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 13:31.36 | dury | it's working now dutchfish |
| 13:31.39 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | well,so any tutorial of menuconfig?, im looking in google and I dont find...i need something steep by step |
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| 13:31.49 | dutchfish | dury, :) |
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| 13:32.03 | wols_ | AnarkiaEsLiberta: never seen such a thing. can't exist since the hardware everyone has is too different |
| 13:32.17 | wols_ | know what hardware you have and make sure drivers for it are compiled in |
| 13:32.20 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | wols_, so how can I lean how to do it? |
| 13:32.21 | asg | AnarkiaEsLiberta: most everything you need is documented in the Kernel's Documentation directory. |
| 13:32.38 | wols_ | AnarkiaEsLiberta: evrey item has help associated with it |
| 13:32.40 | asg | AnarkiaEsLiberta: also, items in menuconfig usually have help |
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| 13:33.05 | dutchfish | AnarkiaEsLiberta, learn basics for example with LPI |
| 13:33.22 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | well,ok, thnx |
| 13:33.52 | wols_ | AnarkiaEsLiberta: I told you what will fix about 90%+ of kernel boot errors |
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| 13:34.05 | wols_ | especially for first time kernel compilers |
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| 13:35.15 | dutchfish | !tell AnarkiaEsLiberta about build-essentials |
| 13:35.18 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | what its 2tb discs? |
| 13:35.32 | asg | dutchfish: build-essential |
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| 13:35.43 | dutchfish | asg, sorry asumed it was in |
| 13:35.57 | wols_ | AnarkiaEsLiberta: huh? |
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| 13:36.12 | dutchfish | !tell AnarkiaEsLiberta about build-essential |
| 13:36.15 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | wols_, in "supportfor large block devices" |
| 13:36.24 | Nucleo | can someone tell me how to suspend a process that's already in the background? |
| 13:36.41 | wols_ | AnarkiaEsLiberta: do you have a 2TB sized disk? |
| 13:36.50 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | wols_, what mean 2tb? |
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| 13:36.57 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | I only have 80 gb sata... |
| 13:37.01 | wols_ | 2 terabytes |
| 13:37.07 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | I dont think |
| 13:37.08 | asg | Nucleo: kill -STOP <pid> |
| 13:37.20 | Nucleo | thank you asg |
| 13:37.30 | wols_ | yes "think". that's the problem here... |
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| 13:39.35 | Nucleo | asg, is there a place I can find a list of all the signals I can pass? the manpage seems to only list examples? |
| 13:40.46 | dutchfish | Nucleo, man kill? |
| 13:41.16 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | I have an Intel® Core 2 Duo T5500, 1,66 ghz, with 667 mhz front side bus, somebody knows what's the better choice for it? |
| 13:41.41 | hark | Nucleo: kill -l |
| 13:41.49 | Nucleo | thanks hark |
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| 13:44.43 | hark | AnarkiaEsLiberta: better choice as in? |
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| 13:49.09 | dutchfish | AnarkiaEsLiberta, a faster cpu is better, but remember that the fastest cpu is so new there can be problems with the chip-set driver |
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| 13:52.07 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | faster cpu? |
| 13:53.55 | hark | that's what happens when you ask vague questions |
| 13:54.15 | bzed | AnarkiaEsLiberta: err? that's a damn fast cpu, where's your problem? |
| 13:54.22 | bzed | AnarkiaEsLiberta: how much ram do you ahve? |
| 13:54.28 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | 1024 |
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| 13:54.41 | Fly-man- | Midday all :) |
| 13:54.51 | bzed | AnarkiaEsLiberta: so where's your problem? |
| 13:54.54 | Fly-man- | Is there a way I can see which packages I have installed already ? |
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| 13:55.07 | hark | !installed |
| 13:55.08 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 13:56.57 | Fly-man- | If i want to install php5, do I need to replace the libapache2-mod-php4 with the libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 13:57.05 | hark | ha, or dpkg -l |grep ^.i |
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| 13:57.42 | xand | Fly-man-: on what version of debian |
| 13:57.54 | hark | yes |
| 13:58.00 | Fly-man- | Linux communicatrix 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 13:58.04 | adde | Hi i installed debian, but now i dont have a cdrom drive in the box anymore, where do i set up so that apt-get will work properly for me...? |
| 13:58.06 | skejoe | Anyone who knows which nVidia-driver should I use for my GeForce Ti 4200 AGP8x? |
| 13:58.14 | xand | Fly-man-: is that sarge |
| 13:58.18 | xand | ? |
| 13:58.21 | hark | nv |
| 13:58.56 | Fly-man- | xand, jupz |
| 13:59.03 | xand | well sarge doesn't have php5 |
| 13:59.07 | Fly-man- | I know |
| 13:59.11 | xand | !php5 |
| 13:59.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, php5 is in Etch but not in Sarge. For unofficial php5 packages for Sarge, ask me about <bpo> |
| 13:59.13 | Fly-man- | but is that the way |
| 13:59.16 | skejoe | adde, in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:59.22 | Fly-man- | and I already know the BPO ;) |
| 13:59.33 | xand | it is on etch, yes |
| 13:59.45 | Fly-man- | Back Port Option |
| 13:59.48 | xand | but the etch package won't work on sarge |
| 13:59.53 | Fly-man- | and not everybody is to happy about bpo |
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| 14:00.15 | xand | use etch, install php5 manually... |
| 14:00.41 | Fly-man- | where do I get etch ? |
| 14:00.48 | xand | !etch |
| 14:00.49 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 14:00.59 | xand | is this a production server or what? |
| 14:01.30 | xand | you can upgrade by updating your sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade, but depends on whether you really should ;) |
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| 14:02.06 | Fly-man- | xand, I need 5.0.19 for Moodle |
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| 14:02.23 | Fly-man- | and a Mysql higher then 4.1.16 |
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| 14:02.31 | Fly-man- | so I need to get php5 working |
| 14:02.35 | Fly-man- | mysql isn;t the problem |
| 14:03.09 | Fly-man- | PHP Version 5.2.0-8+etch1~bpo.1 |
| 14:03.13 | Fly-man- | that's the good version ? |
| 14:03.42 | hsk | Anybody asist or assisted College in Canada? |
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| 14:05.32 | Fly-man- | Xand, is this the one I would download Etch from ? |
| 14:05.36 | Fly-man- | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:06.08 | xand | yes, if you have an i386 machine |
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| 14:06.26 | omg0 | I am slowly getting this Linux thing |
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| 14:06.32 | Fly-man- | Okidoki :) |
| 14:06.36 | bzed | Fly-man-: do you ahve sarge installed now? |
| 14:06.41 | Fly-man- | bzed, yes |
| 14:06.45 | bzed | Fly-man-: you don;t need a cd then |
| 14:06.54 | xand | I mentioned that already c.c |
| 14:06.55 | bzed | !tell Fly-man- about sarge->etch |
| 14:06.59 | omg0 | I got my IRC up and my sound is playing at the moment. Amen |
| 14:07.06 | xand | though, in not much detail |
| 14:07.11 | bzed | xand: seems Fly-man- didn't realize that |
| 14:07.22 | Fly-man- | bzed, is it that simple :D ? |
| 14:07.31 | bzed | yes |
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| 14:07.45 | Fly-man- | Hahaha, seriously, what would I do without u ;) |
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| 14:07.58 | bzed | Fly-man-: you may run into some problems if you've installed packages which are not from the default debian distrib |
| 14:08.11 | bzed | Fly-man-: but if you do so, just use a pastebin and show us the problem |
| 14:08.49 | Fly-man- | bzed, I installed the server with a Sarge 3.1 build 4 Netinstall CD |
| 14:08.49 | omg0 | I would like to get java working on my machine |
| 14:09.31 | xand | omg0: what version of debian? |
| 14:09.47 | omg0 | 2.6.12 |
| 14:09.59 | adde | i want to run an agi script manually what ive seen is examples >php myagi.agi what package do i install to get command php |
| 14:10.03 | xand | erm that's the kernel |
| 14:10.09 | xand | what does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 14:10.16 | adde | i tied php4 but that didnt do it :S |
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| 14:10.38 | ciop | php-cgi |
| 14:10.41 | ciop | *cli |
| 14:11.01 | bzed | Fly-man-: did you jsut do it a few minutes ago? |
| 14:11.01 | omg0 | permission denied |
| 14:11.13 | xand | omg0: it's a text file... cat it |
| 14:11.16 | adde | : Couldn't find package php-cli |
| 14:11.17 | kelsin | omg0: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:11.41 | ciop | php5-cli |
| 14:11.46 | bzed | adde: php4-cli or php5-cli |
| 14:11.48 | ciop | or php4-cli |
| 14:11.49 | bzed | what you need |
| 14:11.50 | omg0 | 3.1 |
| 14:12.51 | xand | hmm |
| 14:12.52 | xand | !java |
| 14:12.53 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 14:12.57 | Fly-man- | bzed, no, I installed that server like 5 months ago |
| 14:13.05 | Fly-man- | but there's no external stuff on it yet |
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| 14:13.12 | Fly-man- | so I could reinstall it in a while |
| 14:13.31 | adde | thanks |
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| 14:14.31 | ciop | have a nice weekend guys |
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| 14:15.14 | Fly-man- | But which one is better: |
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| 14:15.21 | Fly-man- | Get the Netinstall CD for Etch |
| 14:15.31 | Fly-man- | or just do what dpkg just told me ? |
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| 14:16.36 | lewis | I need to change a router portforward through a web interface, however external access is turned off. I do however have a debian etch box on the network, and have SSH access to it. It doesn't have a GUI. Any ideas, as I don't think lynx would work for the website? |
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| 14:17.12 | Pons | guys, has any of you used the last netinstall for ppc? i'm having some trouble with it, but i don't know if it is some hardware related problem or a bug in the snapshot |
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| 14:17.17 | xand | lewis: ssh tunnel |
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| 14:17.35 | lewis | any good guides on how to do that? |
| 14:18.05 | kelsin | lewis: man ssh, it's the -F command line option |
| 14:18.34 | lewis | ok |
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| 14:22.20 | adde | When i redirect a call to a new extension its quiet until answered, is it possible to make it ring? |
| 14:22.38 | adde | sorry wrong window |
| 14:22.39 | xand | wtf |
| 14:22.48 | xand | #phones |
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| 14:22.55 | adde | #asterisk |
| 14:22.57 | adde | ;) |
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| 14:24.41 | bungle | does Linux have some equivalent of directX? ie something for fast speed graphics? |
| 14:24.43 | asg | bungle: opengl, sdl |
| 14:24.44 | enouf | Pons: tried #debianppc yet? also on irc.debian.org |
| 14:24.53 | lewis | hmm 'ssh -F' is for specifying config files |
| 14:25.34 | Pons | enouf, both of them.. nobody answers |
| 14:25.34 | enouf | Pons: i see ;-) |
| 14:25.34 | asg | lewis: ssh -L port:router:routerport ipofdebianbox |
| 14:25.46 | asg | lewis: then point your browser at localhost:port |
| 14:26.03 | bungle | asg.. why are there two? some distributions use one , some use the other? |
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| 14:26.18 | enouf | Pons: is it entirely installer related? see if you can flag down svenl or other in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org (dev channel) |
| 14:26.33 | asg | bungle: why is there gnome and kde (and 100 others?) Choice, different development methodologies, etc. |
| 14:27.10 | lewis | asg: thanks - trying |
| 14:27.14 | omg0 | the dpkg says something about searc-cache for Free Java |
| 14:27.22 | Pons | enouf, well, it seems to always stop in the same place, giving me an error when installing yaboot package |
| 14:27.27 | omg0 | I don't understand it |
| 14:28.09 | omg0 | it does not help me getting my streamers running. |
| 14:28.44 | enouf | Pons: see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
| 14:29.14 | enouf | Pons: unfortunately I know nothing about macs |
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| 14:29.48 | enouf | Pons: is yours old-world or new? |
| 14:30.05 | Pons | new |
| 14:31.07 | enouf | also check the BTS .. what's the exact error anyway. if you don't mind? |
| 14:33.40 | enouf | Pons: also is this Sarge or Etch .. if sarge .. different errata ;-) http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index |
| 14:34.16 | omg0 | which java package is the best? |
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| 14:34.24 | wols_ | !best |
| 14:34.24 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 14:34.37 | wols_ | omg0: if you don't have any qualms about Freenes of java, get suns java |
| 14:34.39 | Pons | enouf, no, it is the exact version you said first.. etch rc2 |
| 14:34.57 | Pons | enouf, weirdly i'm getting hd failures right now |
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| 14:35.21 | omg0 | how do I download and install suns with apt-get |
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| 14:35.36 | wols_ | !tell omg0 about install java |
| 14:35.48 | enouf | ok .. at this point either the dev channel i mentioned, or the mailing list for it seem to be the best options |
| 14:35.58 | Pons | then i get install errors of tar: invalid tar header checksum |
| 14:36.23 | Pons | well, gonna try a couple of times more |
| 14:36.31 | Fly-man- | xand, it's installing now from Etch Net Install CD |
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| 14:36.49 | wols_ | bungle: sdl is an abstraction that sits on top of opengl |
| 14:37.00 | enouf | Pons: try to tell the concerned parties the exact error messages .. hope you get it sorted |
| 14:37.21 | Pons | enouf, thanx ;) |
| 14:37.32 | enouf | welcome |
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| 14:40.13 | lewis2 | SSH tunneling works, but the site I am trying to access requires a popup user/pass to access it. the SSH tunnel doesn't pass the prompt to me. how do I send user/pass details across? |
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| 14:43.01 | Pons | lewis2, you could do this |
| 14:43.18 | Pons | ssh -D1080 machine |
| 14:43.34 | Pons | and then in your browser put a socks5 proxy with 127.0.0.1 port 1080 |
| 14:44.14 | Pons | then just put the IP you want to access viewing it from the ssh machine point |
| 14:44.24 | lewis2 | can putty do -D? |
| 14:44.29 | Pons | yes |
| 14:44.45 | Pons | go to Options -> SSH -> Tunnels |
| 14:44.52 | Pons | add a dynamic tunnel with port 1080 |
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| 14:45.48 | lewis2 | ok - created dynamic port with 1080, logged into machine, doing the proxy part... |
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| 14:46.08 | sussudio | world shutdown day my ass. |
| 14:46.24 | asg | sussudio: we don't shutdown, we s2disk |
| 14:46.57 | Piggy | 15:46:45 up 249 days, 19:40, 17 users, load average: 1.00, 1.03, 1.00 |
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| 14:47.17 | Pons | wow |
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| 14:47.33 | sussudio | the uptime on my router is better. that's 249 days since i upgraded Piggy. |
| 14:47.33 | asg | Pons: piggy is missing some kernel updates though |
| 14:47.48 | Pons | ya |
| 14:47.51 | Pons | i know |
| 14:48.01 | sussudio | what the fuck. |
| 14:48.10 | sussudio | my router's uptime rolled over to 0 days? |
| 14:48.19 | Pons | lol |
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| 14:48.26 | asg | sussudio: it went plaid? |
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| 14:48.46 | Piggy | 15:47:03 up 2 days, 7:58, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 14:48.53 | lewis2 | brb |
| 14:48.56 | sussudio | it's supposed to be 502 |
| 14:49.04 | sussudio | is that some bug in 2.2.25? |
| 14:49.29 | asg | sussudio: not a bug iirc, you just hit the limit on the counter |
| 14:49.42 | sussudio | ... |
| 14:50.02 | sussudio | is /proc/uptime seconds uptime or something? |
| 14:50.35 | sussudio | or milliseconds? |
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| 14:51.14 | drexxi | hi can somebody help me with proftpd it says 530 password wrong but it isnt |
| 14:51.15 | asg | sussudio: man proc |
| 14:51.36 | Pons | drexxi, what's the shell of the user you're trying to access? |
| 14:51.48 | Pons | cat /etc/passwd | grep username |
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| 14:52.07 | Pons | or, grep username /etc/passwd |
| 14:52.14 | drexxi | its /bin/ftp |
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| 14:52.59 | lewis2 | pons - I couldn't access any site when I was using the proxy... |
| 14:53.38 | Pons | sure you putted a socks5 proxy, not a http proxy |
| 14:53.47 | Pons | drexxi, should be /bin/false |
| 14:53.52 | Pons | or /bin/nologin |
| 14:54.05 | Pons | and it must be in /etc/shells |
| 14:54.17 | Pons | for example |
| 14:54.19 | sussudio | "497 days uptime = 0 days uptime ?(uptime rolloveR)" < snort. it's a 2.2 kernel bug. |
| 14:54.29 | drexxi | ok i try it |
| 14:54.31 | Pons | change it to /bin/false |
| 14:54.39 | Pons | and the put /bin/false in /etc/shells |
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| 14:55.29 | lewis2 | heh - back in a sec |
| 14:55.30 | Pons | why do you use a 2.2 kernel ? |
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| 14:56.49 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | someone knows in the menuconfig the most appropiate driver compaible with my video card intel 945 express chipset? |
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| 14:58.33 | lewis2 | this time, with a correctly set up proxy, I can access a network device which doesn't require a pass, but not the router with a user/pass prompt |
| 14:58.34 | lewis2 | as before. |
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| 14:59.34 | iveqy | hello, I've trouble with installing my new TFT-monitor. Where should I look for help? |
| 14:59.45 | sussudio | google? |
| 15:00.09 | drexxi | pons it works thank you |
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| 15:00.17 | iveqy | sussudio: but wich what search? Of course I already tried that.. |
| 15:00.58 | iveqy | my monitor looks like a zebra... |
| 15:01.03 | Pons | it is an http auth... |
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| 15:01.16 | enouf | iveqy: what troubles .. hook it up, and it works .. what? |
| 15:01.37 | omg0 | vols: dpkg doesn't really say about how to install sun java |
| 15:02.14 | enouf | iveqy: try a drxx .. /msg dpkg drxx and set the correct res na dhor/Vert refresh rates |
| 15:02.17 | lewis2 | Pons: yeh |
| 15:02.27 | lewis2 | Pons: in a normal browser, a window pops up asking for a user/pass |
| 15:02.34 | enouf | iveqy: .. and Hor/Vert refresh rates |
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| 15:03.46 | iveqy | enouf: I already done that. The thing is that the manual do not provide me with a vertical frequency. Just horisontal frequensy (30-82) and a refresh rate (50-75) |
| 15:04.10 | iveqy | is the vertical frequency the same as refresh rate? |
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| 15:05.25 | hark | is it etch or sarge? |
| 15:05.25 | eyeris | I have a brand-new Seagate hard drive that is giving me the DriveReady SeekComplete, ide0 reset errors in syslog as if it is dying. However, if I turn DMA off (using hdparm), the errors go away. The drive works fine in another box. What could be causing the DMA transfers to fail so horribly? I have the proper chipset module loaded (via82cxxx). |
| 15:05.30 | iveqy | hark: etch |
| 15:05.43 | omg0 | and when I try to get the free java I get with this command: apt-get update && install java-virtual-machine jamvm 1.2.0-3 I get this message: "You should explicitly select one to install. E: Package java-virtual-machine has no installation candidate" |
| 15:05.51 | wols_ | eyeris: broken cable |
| 15:06.06 | asg | eyeris: bad controller perhaps? |
| 15:06.09 | lewis2 | Pons: I can't pass user/pass in the URL, can I? |
| 15:06.13 | enouf | iveqy: there's horiz sync and vert refresh |
| 15:06.17 | eyeris | wols_: shouldn't PIO mode fail too with a bad cable? |
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| 15:06.31 | hark | iveqy: just try by comenting out the display subsections under Secyion Screen and also the frequencies in Section Monitor. See if it's autodetected |
| 15:06.38 | iveqy | enouf: not in my manual :( |
| 15:06.38 | wols_ | omg0: it does. and you're not supposed to install "java-virtual-machine" at all |
| 15:07.05 | wols_ | as for Sun's java: then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid.) |
| 15:07.12 | hark | you can use hwinfo --monitor too |
| 15:07.23 | enouf | that 30-82 looks like a mighty wide range .. install hwinfo, then hwinfo --monitor and see which bpp you can use at which rates, and which resolutions |
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| 15:07.30 | enouf | iveqy: ^^ |
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| 15:07.48 | hark | iveqy: but try commenting all of them first |
| 15:07.48 | drexxi | pons what means [L] 426 Failure writing network stream. ? |
| 15:08.13 | bungle | has anyone played around with voice-recognition software on Linux? does it even exist? |
| 15:08.23 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 15:08.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:08.24 | omg0 | wol: I don't understand it. If I am not supposed to install it how will it work? Can you help me please. |
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| 15:08.30 | wols_ | bungle: yes it does exist |
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| 15:09.09 | wols_ | omg0: you are supposed to only search for java-virtual-machine and installe one of the packages that search returns |
| 15:09.12 | hark | there was IBM's via voice |
| 15:09.14 | wols_ | omg0: what version of debian do you run? |
| 15:09.34 | iveqy | hark: hark it isn't |
| 15:09.35 | wols_ | hark: which is afaik the best linux solution even if it's non free of course |
| 15:09.56 | omg0 | wols_: debian version 3.1 |
| 15:09.58 | hark | is a linux version still being developed? |
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| 15:10.05 | hark | or any fo that matter |
| 15:10.25 | hark | iveqy: really.. well hwinfo --monitor then |
| 15:10.30 | wols_ | !tell omg0 about install java |
| 15:10.54 | wols_ | !tell omg0 about java package |
| 15:11.03 | wols_ | since you see it points to the java package factoid |
| 15:11.35 | bungle | ok.. I am trying to integrate a hand held Controller with voice recognition. for Windows Vista it looks possible, as vista has inbuilt v-r capability. but I cannot find anything like this are available for Linux a. |
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| 15:12.07 | wols_ | what kind of controller? what does it do? |
| 15:12.12 | hark | heh, yes remember their famous voice recognition presentation |
| 15:12.15 | wols_ | and I doubt there is anything premade for linux |
| 15:12.43 | bungle | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.58 | hark | iveqy: is it an intel graphics card? |
| 15:13.18 | bungle | wols: jpad.wikispaces.com |
| 15:13.20 | hark | most of the projects are quite dead now |
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| 15:14.02 | asg | bungle: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Speech-Recognition-HOWTO.html (old but it might lead you down some other paths) |
| 15:14.49 | wols_ | bungle: is it a wiimote kinda controler? |
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| 15:15.56 | bungle | asg: great link! thx! |
| 15:16.03 | rpc | can someone please explain to me what rst attack is all about in simple words? is it dangerous still? |
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| 15:16.21 | uosiu | hi |
| 15:16.45 | uosiu | who knows how to set up alsa to switch audio channels front 2 back and back 2 front? |
| 15:16.47 | hark | ah, here it is.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQ |
| 15:17.00 | tvynr | Does anyone know where I can get some good advice on how to cross-compile programs against uClibc? The uClibc site suggests buildroot, but that's a whole chroot environment for compilation. I don't want to have to use any priviledges (like loop mounting said environment) to compile my software. |
| 15:17.03 | bungle | wols -- it is like a super evolved wiimote. better shape, pressure and direction sensitive buttons, XYZ Giros and accelerometers |
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| 15:17.28 | wols_ | bungle: I ask cause: couldn't you start with wii software |
| 15:17.33 | wols_ | must be a ton for that out right now |
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| 15:18.56 | h3sp4wn | uosiu: only via subdevice and if you are extremely good via routing - ask #alsa |
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| 15:19.25 | bzed | tvynr: hmm, I doubt there's any other way except chrooting. at least I don;t know any |
| 15:19.34 | h3sp4wn | uosiu: when I needed to do that (due to 2 outputs being broken) I used - route policy duplicate |
| 15:19.57 | h3sp4wn | uosiu: but that didn't swap it round it just made the master output come out of all four outputs |
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| 15:20.09 | uosiu | h3sp4wn: i can tell you, that in kX drivers in WinXP it was one switch or changing 2 lines in kX dsp matrix :) |
| 15:20.26 | h3sp4wn | uosiu: Why would I care |
| 15:20.32 | uosiu | h3sp4wn: i need to reverse front 2 back and back 2 front |
| 15:20.34 | tvynr | bzed: Forgive my ignorance, but why couldn't I just build a compiler under my existing 64-bit environment to link against 32-bit uClibc? I have a cross-compiler here that'll link against 32-bit glibc and I'm not sure I really see the difference. |
| 15:20.38 | drexxi | ssl with proftpd possible? |
| 15:20.47 | tvynr | bzed: Of course, I didn't build that compiler myself; I had crosstool to do it for me. |
| 15:20.53 | h3sp4wn | uosiu: swap the plugs round |
| 15:20.58 | tvynr | bzed: Otherwise, I prolly wouldn't be so confused. |
| 15:21.10 | bungle | haha! |
| 15:21.12 | bungle | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060807 |
| 15:21.13 | asg | drexxi: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-TLS.html |
| 15:21.24 | asg | drexxi: you really should learn how to use google |
| 15:21.25 | uosiu | h3sp4wn: rear channels on Sb Live! sounds better |
| 15:21.25 | h3sp4wn | uosiu: Or read alot of alsa documentation |
| 15:21.57 | bungle | wols -- ur right.. ill check it out! |
| 15:21.58 | uosiu | :) |
| 15:22.11 | uosiu | google knows almost nothing about this... :/ |
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| 15:22.40 | enouf | uosiu: man the alsaconfig and mixer pages |
| 15:22.50 | acu | I have Debian Etch and Apache 2.2.3 - the localhost "it works" - now I want to setup virtual hosts localhost and ez3 - where can I do this change, can I test the new virtual servers without to add them to DNS ? I am in an intranet - I will appreciate any help and sugestions |
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| 15:23.41 | h3sp4wn | uosiu: Start with that - http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php |
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| 15:24.03 | bzed | tvynr: a compiler does not link, that's the job of the linker. and I doubt the normal ld.so is happy to use uClib, I guess you'll need an extra linker for that. also does the uClib have the same name as the libc6, so how would you tell the linker which library to use? |
| 15:24.54 | bzed | tvynr: chances that you end up with something broken are pretty high, you really want to use a chroot to build such things. imho. ymmv. |
| 15:25.01 | tvynr | bzed: Right... see, there with my ignorance. :) Somewhere in my head, I knew the jobs of the compiler and linker. |
| 15:25.07 | tvynr | bzed: Well, here's another question then that may be better. |
| 15:25.22 | bungle | hark.. I have been looking for a demo like that to illustrate the problem with voice recognition software for ages. I can't believe the best possible demo comes from a Microsoft demonstration. Mint! |
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| 15:25.59 | tvynr | bzed: I'm willing to use a chroot to build something like that... but I don't want to use privileges. I tried tarballing the contents of that chroot and then extracting them as a normal user through fakeroot. But I can't fakechroot into that directory; none of the binaries run. Any idea how I can fix that? |
| 15:26.15 | asg | bungle: hopefully they don't have it integrated in Windows for Warships ... "Turn left 90 degress" "Erm, why is it trying to call my mother?" |
| 15:26.25 | wols_ | acu: /etc/apache2 are the files you need to edit for virtual hosting |
| 15:26.33 | tvynr | bzed: I just got finished moving my LiveCD build to a non-privileged build script; I don't want to have to bring 'em right back in again for a simple little program I'm throwing onto the initramfs. |
| 15:26.37 | wols_ | acu: and yes you can test it. add your virtual hsots to /etc/hosts and point it to 127.0.0.1 for testing |
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| 15:27.09 | bungle | itsa perfect example of the stupidity mixing dictation and commands. I'm using ViaVoice to say all this, & it has the same problem. |
| 15:27.19 | bzed | tvynr: sorry, I have no clue about fakechroot. all I know is that it is waiting for help or adoption in wnpp as far as I remember |
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| 15:28.29 | bwlang | what methods are people using to get consistent backups... i'm not happy with mine due to its complexity (lvm snapshots) |
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| 15:29.15 | tvynr | bzed: Well... I don't think the problem is fakechroot-specific. If I'm in the image directory but not chrooted and try to run bin/bash, I get "bash: bin/bash: no such file or directory." This is a very misleading message, as there's definitely a file there. I think I've seen the same before when trying to run a 32-bit binary on an AMD64 Debian system before installing ia32-libs. |
| 15:29.28 | enouf | tvynr: i know crap about what you're doing but look at fakeroot and schroot too .. |
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| 15:30.30 | tvynr | enouf: Yeah; for fakechroot to work well, you have to run it inside of fakeroot. :) I'm using schroot for a 32-bit chroot. I suppose it's worth considering setting up an schroot for the project, but I rather like the idea of being able to work on my project on a machine whereon I have no priviledges. |
| 15:30.40 | enouf | hrmm the amd64 pkg seems to have an emul |
| 15:30.47 | enouf | 32 functionality http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=fakeroot&version=testing&arch=amd64 |
| 15:30.53 | bzed | tvynr: what I guess your problem _could_be (and that's nothing more than a guess) is that you're using uclib in the chroot, and I think fakechroot uses some LD_PRELOAD magic to grab a lot of system calls, so all you could run in such a fakechroot would be 64bit apps, as they're the only binaries fakechroot and LD_PRELOAD will work on |
| 15:31.28 | acu | wols: in the apache2.conf I found the last line pointing to other file on sites-enabled - it is like this # Include the virtual host configurations: |
| 15:31.28 | acu | Include /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 15:31.46 | bzed | tvynr: well that was abit confusing. now that I think of it it's probably more that you're using a 64bit fakechroot to run 32bit executeables, and fakechroot tries to LD_PRELOAD 64bit libs to 32bit executeables |
| 15:31.47 | tvynr | bzed: Thanks for the guess. Thing is, the LiveCD's root (into which I can fakechroot and to things like apt-get) is a 32-bit Debian root I got with debootstrap. |
| 15:32.01 | wols_ | acu: I don't know since I never really used vhosts |
| 15:32.20 | bzed | tvynr: what you could try (no clue if it'll work) is to use a 32bit fakechroot |
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| 15:32.41 | tvynr | bzed: You mean... extract the image to a 32-bit fakechroot and try to fakechroot into it from there? |
| 15:32.45 | acu | wols_: thanks anyway - I will dig around - though is very confusing |
| 15:33.05 | tvynr | enouf: Is the suggestion that I would need /emul support for uClibc to do what I'm trying to do? |
| 15:33.15 | AnarkiaEsLiberta | what means when Im compilying the kernel CC without the [M]? |
| 15:33.22 | bzed | tvynr: if fakechroot uses the 32bit libc it should be possible to run 32bit stuff under it. ---- no, I meant that you'd need to compile a 32bit fakechroot in your 64bit environment |
| 15:33.23 | enouf | tvynr: no friggin clue ;-) |
| 15:33.30 | wols_ | acu: I do know however /etc/apache2 / is the place to edit to make it work |
| 15:33.39 | drexxi | why isnt there any good ftp tutorial -.-.--.- |
| 15:33.52 | omg0 | wols_: I went to the debian adminstrator site and put the command as they specify but I am getting an error to the command: "apt-get install fakeroot java-package". The error is: "E: Couldn't find package java-package" |
| 15:33.55 | wols_ | drexxi: doing what? |
| 15:34.07 | asg | drexxi: install the proftpd-doc package |
| 15:34.15 | wols_ | omg0: you haven't read all that dpkg said |
| 15:34.26 | bzed | tvynr: again - I'm only guessing, no clue if it will work :) but if fakechroot is a 32bit app, and using the 32bit libc, it should be possible to run 32bit apps under it |
| 15:34.35 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:35.48 | omg0 | Wols_: ok. Seems I am doing step 2 before step one |
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| 15:36.58 | bzed | tvynr: give me a minute please |
| 15:37.08 | tvynr | bzed: np - thanks |
| 15:37.22 | tvynr | bzed: I was just finding myself wondering if there's a channel for buildroot; I'll have to go look that up |
| 15:37.46 | bzed | tvynr: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/03/msg00287.html << that's probably interesting for you |
| 15:38.05 | bzed | tvynr: you could try and contact the new maintainer |
| 15:38.19 | xand | what debian program is used to generate certificates for apache-ssl? |
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| 15:38.47 | tvynr | bzed, enouf: I just found something. I compiled two copies of a simple C program inside of the buildroot; one was statically linked and one was dynamically linked. The statically linked one runs outside of the buildroot uClibc environment; the dynamically linked one does not. This is independent of whether or not I am inside of a fakeroot/fakechroot environment. So I think I do indeed have a linker/loader problem. |
| 15:39.07 | h3sp4wn | xand: openssl |
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| 15:39.41 | bzed | tvynr: sure, you can't run a program which was build against uclib in a normal libc6 environment |
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| 15:40.25 | bzed | tvynr: what you could try is to play with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/uclib or LD_PRELOAD/path/to/uClibfile.so |
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| 15:40.33 | bzed | tvynr: what you could try is to play with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/uclib or LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/uClibfile.so |
| 15:40.51 | bzed | tvynr: so ld will search somewhere else for the lib first. but I guess it just won;t work |
| 15:40.54 | hark | xand: I used openssl, but there's make-ssl-cert in the ssl-cert package as well |
| 15:40.55 | bzed | not sure, though |
| 15:41.15 | acu | Two more esoteric questions - if I do not have a static IP and I have my domain with Godaddy.com - can I use some tool for dynamic DNS (or somehting like this) ? - I using Debian Etch and Apache 2.2.3 |
| 15:41.23 | tvynr | bzed: Hmm... and if I can get just one of those programs to run outside of fakeroot/fakechroot, then fakeroot/fakechroot should be able to pick up the ball and give me a chroot to the build environment. |
| 15:41.34 | tvynr | bzed: I'm in waaaay over my head here. :) I'll give that a try. |
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| 15:41.41 | tvynr | bzed: Also, thanks for the link. |
| 15:42.09 | bzed | np |
| 15:42.38 | bzed | acu: apt-cache show ez-ipupdate |
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| 15:42.53 | bzed | acu: or apt-cache search dyndns |
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| 15:43.11 | hark | acu: there are plenty, apt-cache search |
| 15:43.15 | bzed | acu: there're several dyndns services, dyndns.org is probably the one most people use |
| 15:43.31 | xand | right, make-ssl-cert worked thanks |
| 15:43.37 | hark | dclient, noip etc |
| 15:43.50 | hark | *ddclient |
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| 15:44.21 | acu | bzed and hark: so I have to move my DNS from godaddy.com to dyndns |
| 15:44.26 | ShakaGoldSaint | anyone here has xgl working on etch amd64?, i've been trying to get that with no luck so far |
| 15:44.29 | hark | I've found ez-ipupdate to be quite buggy. not recommended |
| 15:45.21 | hark | ShakaGoldSaint: what graphics card? |
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| 15:45.21 | ShakaGoldSaint | hark, radeon x800 gto using the fglrx driver |
| 15:45.41 | bzed | acu: I doubt godaddy will provide you dynamic services. but just as a hint: don;t try to use a box behind a dynamic IP address as mailserver, most MXs won;t accept emails from dynamic IPs |
| 15:45.46 | ShakaGoldSaint | hark, the radeon opensource driver doesn't like my card |
| 15:45.53 | omg0 | ok. Am I the only one not getting this thing? According to the Debian Adminstrator guide: "Two packages we're going to need are java-package, and fakeroot. These can be installed simply: apt-get install fakeroot java-package" I have done that aind it has installed the fakeroot but I get an error for the java-package part. This is the error: E: Couldn't find package java-package. What am I not reading correctly? |
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| 15:46.13 | bzed | omg0: are you on etch and trying to install java? |
| 15:46.30 | hark | ShakaGoldSaint: yeah, it doesn't work that well for the relatively newer cards |
| 15:47.10 | bzed | omg0: apt-get install sun-java5-bin sun-java5-demo sun-java5-jdk sun-java5-jre (replace 5 by 6 if you want the latest version) |
| 15:47.47 | wols_ | ShakaGoldSaint: only cards up to X850 or so are supported. R300 era |
| 15:47.50 | hark | ShakaGoldSaint: Xgl is not in Debian, but yes i recall someone here managed to get Beryl working with fglrx |
| 15:47.54 | wols_ | ShakaGoldSaint: X1xxx cards are not |
| 15:47.58 | acu | bzed: godaddy told me that they cannot have my email with them and the hosting with somebody else - so it seem that I better get a static IP and setup a mailserver and webserver using the same IP |
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| 15:48.35 | wols_ | acu: they are speaking bs |
| 15:48.38 | wols_ | they can set up a MX |
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| 15:48.59 | acu | I was looking for best colocation offers - so I can just leave the server with them |
| 15:49.05 | wols_ | e.g. there is no technical reason they can't do it |
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| 15:49.24 | ShakaGoldSaint | hark, i got the xserver-xgl package from a ubuntu repo |
| 15:49.34 | wols_ | !beryl |
| 15:49.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
| 15:49.36 | bzed | ShakaGoldSaint: why do you do such things? |
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| 15:49.47 | wols_ | bzed: death wish, masochism,... |
| 15:49.52 | bzed | ShakaGoldSaint: you'll just fuckup your system by using ubuntu packages |
| 15:49.53 | hark | omg0: add non-free to your sources.list and install sun-java5-jre as mentioned in the factoid |
| 15:49.54 | ShakaGoldSaint | bzed, becaouse composite desktop rocks |
| 15:50.00 | ma3x | has anyone ever heard of CD/DVD drive losing its reading capacity? What does that mean? |
| 15:50.03 | hark | (if you're indeed running etch) |
| 15:50.13 | acu | wols_: now I have to fix my virtual host in apache 2.2.3 - it is more complicated than I thought will be |
| 15:50.20 | ShakaGoldSaint | bzed, :(, it was just one package, the dependencies were solved using debian repos :( |
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| 15:50.35 | wols_ | omg0: do you have contrib in your sources.list? show me your your sources.list line |
| 15:50.43 | wols_ | !tell omg0 about contrib |
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| 15:51.05 | ma3x | is the laser getting bad? |
| 15:51.08 | hark | wols_: isn't he on etch? |
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| 15:51.18 | wols_ | hark: debian 3.1 is not etch last I checked |
| 15:51.18 | ma3x | how does a DVD drive read/burn? with the laser? |
| 15:51.22 | omg0 | bzed its not at 6 yet but I will gladly try the command |
| 15:51.34 | wols_ | ma3x: doh!. no the fairies do it |
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| 15:52.26 | enouf | ma3x: fried, dirty, or firmwared folly |
| 15:52.41 | Whitt | When I run the sarge 'nvidia one-liner', I am given the error "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source". Could someone suggest a fix? |
| 15:52.56 | hark | you need non-free |
| 15:52.56 | bzed | Whitt: oh, blame me |
| 15:53.04 | bzed | Whitt: I had no sarge to test that |
| 15:53.13 | hark | !blame bzed and enouf |
| 15:53.16 | Whitt | non-fre.. thanks |
| 15:53.28 | omg0 | wols_ Hark: I am new to this linux thing so some of the things you will have to give me a command how to get to it. I don't know how to get the sources list. |
| 15:53.33 | bzed | Whitt: do you have non-free in the sources? |
| 15:53.41 | hark | enouf: oops, by habit i guess ;) |
| 15:53.46 | wols_ | omg0: follow the factoid dpkg gave you about contrib |
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| 15:53.58 | wols_ | and debian has nice manuals you could start with |
| 15:54.05 | wols_ | !tell omg0 about grounding |
| 15:54.07 | enouf | no biggy hark.. I've been called worse O.o |
| 15:54.22 | ma3x | enouf: its not fried if it can read other discs but not every disc. and its not firmware folly since its still working. and if the laser is clean (since thats the part doing the reading) then its not that either |
| 15:54.34 | wols_ | enouf: worse than all the evil in the world? wow! |
| 15:54.39 | hark | omg0: no i got confused with what bzed had mentioned.. you're on sarge.. go the java-package way |
| 15:54.42 | enouf | ma3x: your blanks suck ass |
| 15:54.49 | wols_ | ma3x: burnt disks? |
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| 15:55.26 | bzed | !tell Whitt about non-free |
| 15:55.45 | wols_ | omg0: sources.list is in /etc/apt/sources.list btw |
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| 15:56.05 | nedved | how do you save aliases in your shell? |
| 15:56.23 | hark | omg0: but you need to add contrib for that.. /msg dpkg contrib |
| 15:56.25 | bzed | nedved: man bash, search for alis by using /alias |
| 15:56.28 | Whitt | bzed: I figured that out a while ago. :) |
| 15:56.32 | ma3x | wols_: yes, high quality discs - deutsche grammophon ( I already changed back one ) and the new one they gave me was working, and now after few weeks it started not recognizing it |
| 15:56.35 | wols_ | nedved: put them in a rc file |
| 15:56.48 | bzed | Whitt: could you please paste me the output of apt-cache search nvidia kernel |
| 15:56.49 | nedved | rc file! |
| 15:57.04 | wols_ | ma3x: deutsche grammophon hands out burnt disks? that's not nice of them. tell the IFPI :P |
| 15:57.09 | Whitt | bzed: I am no longer having any problem.. is this something you want for yourself? |
| 15:57.16 | bzed | Whitt: ah no :0 |
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| 15:57.20 | wols_ | ma3x: and it's anything but "high quality" of them |
| 15:57.26 | krazykit | the devil? why is dpkg blaming me too? |
| 15:57.28 | bzed | Whitt: thought there would be still something broken with the one-liner |
| 15:57.40 | ma3x | wols_: well yeah burnt discs (with movie, music on it) |
| 15:57.47 | ma3x | wols_: is that what you mean? |
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| 15:57.54 | bzed | ma3x: either your cds are dying or your cdrom-drive :P |
| 15:58.08 | bzed | !milk krazykit |
| 15:58.25 | wols_ | ma3x: why would deutsche grammophon, a record label, hand out burnt disks? |
| 15:58.27 | krazykit | %penixstrike bzed |
| 15:58.28 | badgers | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking bzed to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:58.31 | ma3x | bzed: interesting enough, if the CD/DVD-drive was about to die, why would it read/burn perfectly CDs, but not DVDs? |
| 15:58.31 | tvynr | How might I find out what my library paths are if LD_LIBRARY_PATH is unset? |
| 15:58.48 | ShakaGoldSaint | !compiz |
| 15:58.49 | dpkg | from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 15:58.49 | wols_ | tvynr: /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 15:58.52 | ma3x | wols_: what do you mean by burnt? With some movie on it, right/ |
| 15:59.09 | wols_ | ma3x: pressed vs. burnt |
| 15:59.18 | wols_ | CD-Rs and RWs are burnt. CDs are pressed |
| 15:59.37 | tvynr | wols_: THanks |
| 15:59.56 | valdyn | ma3x: because that's 2 different lasers? |
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| 16:00.00 | wols_ | tvynr: man ldconfig |
| 16:00.24 | ma3x | valdyn: it doesn't have 2 lasers |
| 16:00.29 | valdyn | ma3x: or maybe its just dieing because of dirt on the lense.. cd has much less demands on your lense |
| 16:01.04 | tvynr | bzed: A really nasty solution to this just occurred to me. :) buildroot's makefile asks at one point for anything that should be included when compiling the build environment. I'm half tempted to tell it "-static" |
| 16:02.03 | ma3x | valdyn: the laser lens? it's clean as crystal |
| 16:02.13 | wols_ | ma3x: scratched? |
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| 16:02.24 | valdyn | ma3x: you got to be joking, your EYE is hardly able to see that |
| 16:02.31 | ma3x | wols_: pressed if that's what you mean (these copies they sell in millions examples) ?? |
| 16:02.48 | ma3x | valdyn: the laser lens? it's 2mm |
| 16:02.52 | ma3x | how can't you see that? |
| 16:02.55 | valdyn | ma3x: so? |
| 16:02.58 | ma3x | I mean that little blue eye, right? |
| 16:03.01 | wols_ | yes. the "silver" CDs. CD-Rs are green or blueish |
| 16:03.18 | valdyn | ma3x: you are being silly, the dirt required to destroy it cant be seen by humans without a microscope |
| 16:03.20 | wols_ | ma3x: cause you cannot with the naked eye. especially not inside the CD drive |
| 16:03.21 | ma3x | valdyn: exactly - silver |
| 16:03.29 | ma3x | wols_: ^^ |
| 16:03.30 | valdyn | ma3x: lasers are thin, you know.. |
| 16:03.57 | wols_ | ma3x: does the CD work in other players? |
| 16:04.03 | wols_ | if yes: your drive is fscked |
| 16:04.15 | wols_ | does it not work in other players: your CD is fscked |
| 16:04.17 | wols_ | problem solved |
| 16:04.28 | ShakaGoldSaint | !xgl |
| 16:04.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 16:04.34 | ma3x | wols_: that's the problem - I don't have any other dvd player, so I can't say |
| 16:04.42 | ShakaGoldSaint | !xgl-howto |
| 16:04.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, xgl-howto is xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
| 16:05.18 | valdyn | ShakaGoldSaint: why would you use xgl at all? |
| 16:05.46 | scx | agree |
| 16:05.55 | scx | XGL is not good |
| 16:05.57 | ShakaGoldSaint | valdyn, because composite desktop rules!, it performs better in my case |
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| 16:06.20 | scx | ShakaGoldSaint: Do you have nVidia? |
| 16:06.24 | valdyn | ShakaGoldSaint: no it doesnt. but my point is that xgl is not the solution to getting a composite desktop |
| 16:06.28 | hark | he has an ati x800 |
| 16:06.33 | valdyn | ah |
| 16:06.42 | valdyn | so that would be a reason to require xgl i suppose |
| 16:06.46 | ShakaGoldSaint | r480 based card, the opensource driver doesn't work here |
| 16:06.50 | ShakaGoldSaint | i use fglrx |
| 16:06.54 | scx | ShakaGoldSaint: Poor, I use AIXGL |
| 16:06.59 | agent | try aiglx instead of xgl... even the people responsible for Beryl do not like xgl that much. |
| 16:07.02 | ShakaGoldSaint | and that stinky driver doesn't support aiglx |
| 16:07.05 | ma3x | valdyn: if the cd/dvd drive is dying, then should I send it in for repair or buy a new one? |
| 16:07.22 | jetscreamer | ma3x: this is like day 3 of the dvd saga isn't it |
| 16:07.27 | valdyn | ShakaGoldSaint: xgl and aglx have such horrible performance when resizing a window that that alone makes it impractical for me |
| 16:07.31 | scx | but AIXGL just woprk in n |
| 16:07.33 | ma3x | jetscreamer: I know |
| 16:07.34 | enouf | haha |
| 16:07.34 | xand | ma3x: unless it's under warranty, buy a new one |
| 16:07.35 | scx | vidia |
| 16:07.38 | valdyn | ma3x: buy a new one |
| 16:07.45 | wols_ | valdyn: what videodriver? |
| 16:07.45 | enouf | 25 dollar |
| 16:07.46 | jetscreamer | buy a new one and if you have the same problem with the new one, take it back and get a refund |
| 16:07.53 | valdyn | wols_: any |
| 16:08.03 | valdyn | wols_: nvidia and radeon |
| 16:08.04 | ma3x | it just doesnt make logic to me - the one disc I have, it reads it and then at 01:02:01 stops |
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| 16:08.16 | ma3x | and the other disc - it won't even recognize it |
| 16:08.27 | wols_ | valdyn: that bad? you must have a shitty videocard. I tipped intel, but I guess I was wrong :) |
| 16:08.34 | ma3x | so how can "the laser is dirty" justify that? |
| 16:08.34 | valdyn | wols_: nah |
| 16:08.35 | enouf | the requirements for reading writing dvds is much higher than that of cds ma3x |
| 16:08.36 | scx | AIXGL + ATi ? |
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| 16:08.42 | scx | nah... |
| 16:08.49 | wols_ | ma3x: do you have friends? |
| 16:08.51 | ma3x | enouf: I am comparing 2 DVD discs (its working fine with the CDs) |
| 16:08.52 | valdyn | wols_: developers of compiz say that they don't even know yet HOW to theoretically fix it |
| 16:09.02 | enouf | ma3x: then you got pit rot |
| 16:09.07 | lewis | my bind9 server won't start, it just says 'bind: failed', and I don't see anything in syslog. any ideas? |
| 16:09.10 | ShakaGoldSaint | scx, AIGLX + Radeon free driver works |
| 16:09.20 | wols_ | ma3x: go to a friend with a DVD player. test the disk(s) three |
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| 16:09.23 | scx | Good news |
| 16:09.30 | ShakaGoldSaint | scx, AIGLX + fglrx = never gonna happen |
| 16:09.36 | enouf | ma3x: or one dvd is warez |
| 16:09.44 | wols_ | ShakaGoldSaint: never say never |
| 16:09.48 | scx | ShakaGoldSaint: Ahh... |
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| 16:10.05 | enouf | which wasn't stolen correctly O.o |
| 16:10.06 | ShakaGoldSaint | wols_, alright... there's some rumors that next fglrx release will include aiglx support |
| 16:10.14 | valdyn | wols_: nvidia 6900gt |
| 16:10.24 | ShakaGoldSaint | but that rumor has been there for quite a while |
| 16:10.24 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: got a link to back that up? |
| 16:10.32 | valdyn | wols_: about just as bad as an old radeon 7500 |
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| 16:10.36 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, just a rumor |
| 16:10.46 | ignotus21 | vimspell don't work with pt-br dict in my debian |
| 16:10.47 | ShakaGoldSaint | madd_matt, i think i read that in beryl forums, don't remember exactly |
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| 16:10.51 | ignotus21 | his say: Warning: Cannot find word list "pt.latin1.spl" or "pt.ascii.spl" |
| 16:10.58 | ignotus21 | `dpkg -l |grep aspell` return: aspell, aspell-en, aspell-pt-br, libaspell15 |
| 16:11.02 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: voices in the head? |
| 16:11.04 | ma3x | enouf: it can't be warez, it says deutsche grammophon on it |
| 16:11.05 | ignotus21 | any sugestions ? |
| 16:11.06 | wols_ | valdyn: I don't believe you. 6900GT? |
| 16:11.11 | valdyn | wols_: yes |
| 16:11.26 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, could be xD |
| 16:11.27 | hark | ma3x: oh, this is the same issue.. about the dvd you bought then (from that store ;)) |
| 16:11.31 | enouf | ma3x: mwahaha .. you're joking .. right? |
| 16:11.42 | wols_ | must be one of those dumb OEM deals with mislabeled custom 6800GTs |
| 16:11.44 | valdyn | wols_: but doesn't matter, it doesnt really seem to be a vid card issue primarily |
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| 16:11.55 | enouf | ma3x: do you have any clue what the "mafia" is? ..lol |
| 16:11.55 | valdyn | wols_: oh, it may be a 6800gt |
| 16:12.16 | enouf | ma3x: though any kid can run off copies and sell them |
| 16:12.17 | valdyn | wols_: lets see what nvidia-settings sais.. |
| 16:12.24 | hark | ma3x: so you tried other dvds? |
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| 16:12.47 | valdyn | wols_: 6800GT indeed |
| 16:12.48 | enouf | but pressing requires some backing/money for the equip |
| 16:12.52 | maddash | it'll be a cold day in hell when ATI finally supports AIGLX with its FGLRX driver. |
| 16:12.54 | bzed | tvynr: what are you building the stuff for? only for a initrd? then compiling dynamic stuff doesn;t make sense at all imho |
| 16:13.00 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, yep |
| 16:13.07 | valdyn | wols_: it doesnt really seem to be gfx card related primarily anyway |
| 16:13.30 | valdyn | wols_: its copying memory around during every refresh while resizing |
| 16:13.53 | wols_ | valdyn: why can't my old gf2mx do it in 2D mode then? |
| 16:13.54 | tvynr | bzed: I'm compiling for an initramfs, yes. And what I want to compile in the long run will be statically linked. But what I want at the moment is a way to compile said stuff automatically without having the chroot into anything. |
| 16:13.58 | enouf | ma3x: are you a cop? |
| 16:13.59 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 16:14.01 | wols_ | and: has vista and OSX the same problem? |
| 16:14.03 | enouf | :-p |
| 16:14.09 | hark | heh |
| 16:14.14 | valdyn | wols_: 2D mode works fine on X.. |
| 16:14.23 | wols_ | especially OSX with those age old 3gen back chips apple likes to use in their high priced stuff |
| 16:14.24 | tvynr | bzed: I'm trying to get a fakechroot set up so I can issue unprivileged commands to statically compile uClibc-linked applications. |
| 16:14.31 | valdyn | wols_: im not intimate with how X composite works, im just quoting their ML |
| 16:14.39 | hark | enouf: he bought it from a "great store" |
| 16:14.46 | enouf | heh |
| 16:14.55 | valdyn | wols_: its really is an aiglx specific issue |
| 16:15.07 | wols_ | enouf: doug called. he wants his nuts back |
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| 16:15.09 | enouf | ma3x: ever hear of a little country called "China"? .. lol |
| 16:15.20 | valdyn | wols_: xgl too i guess, but nothing that couldn't be fixed, its just the that issue seems to go deep |
| 16:15.25 | enouf | wols_: ouch .. |
| 16:15.29 | wols_ | enouf: DVD makers are in malaysia. not CHina :) |
| 16:15.29 | maddash | 'little'? |
| 16:15.42 | wols_ | besides: the "legal" DVDs come from china, not the counterfeits :P |
| 16:15.44 | jetscreamer | hey i thought they were from taiwan |
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| 16:15.50 | syntaxx | im having problem in pam_tally.so to work i added auth required and account required pam_tally.so onerr=fail no_magic_reset deny=4 but whenever i login with 4 invalid logins it doesnt lock the user. anyone know why im having that error? |
| 16:15.51 | enouf | wols_: think import/export ;-) |
| 16:15.53 | bzed | tvynr: try to build fakechroot statically using uclib |
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| 16:16.38 | valdyn | wols_: i can watch 4 movies at a time and watch them on a rotating cube, all smooth, but cant resize a webbrowser properly |
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| 16:17.14 | dury | I would appreciate it if someone could assist me to setup my ethernet with statically Ip address and dns |
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| 16:17.26 | wols_ | !tell dury about interfaces |
| 16:17.30 | hark | man interfaces |
| 16:17.30 | wols_ | edit that and it's done |
| 16:17.31 | valdyn | dury: its in the faq |
| 16:17.35 | wols_ | provided the driver is loaded |
| 16:17.37 | ma3x | enouf: it plays perfectly 'burnt' discs, but not pressed |
| 16:17.53 | ma3x | enouf: how can it be a pirate one from deutsche grammophon? |
| 16:17.54 | enouf | ma3x: most likely pit rot actually |
| 16:17.58 | wols_ | ma3x: this is very odd. burnt disks have lower reflection |
| 16:18.08 | wols_ | that disk you got is shit then imho |
| 16:18.11 | hark | it's usually the other way around |
| 16:18.14 | ma3x | enouf: if they would make it a pirate one, it wouldnt have brochures and all that stuff |
| 16:18.15 | kokoboi | hello i have a problem , i just installed debian/m68k on my macintosh quadra 650, but since there is no option to install boot loader/boot floppy(they are not supported yet) how I will boot the OS ? |
| 16:18.15 | wols_ | unless it happens on all disks |
| 16:18.17 | enouf | ma3x: stop using bug words.. my head huts |
| 16:18.22 | enouf | er big* |
| 16:18.29 | enouf | hurts* |
| 16:19.05 | enouf | ma3x: really? .. ok ..you win |
| 16:19.08 | wols_ | ma3x: just buy a rolex for 10$ on ebay. "but it says it's a rolex, how can it be only 10$ and break after a week"? |
| 16:19.22 | hark | ma3x: have you tested with other dvds? |
| 16:19.29 | enouf | hark: nope |
| 16:19.29 | wols_ | and yes. the rolex comes with a seal of authenticity, a warranty card and all |
| 16:19.36 | ma3x | wols_: you can't buy a rolex for $10 in wallsmart, right? |
| 16:19.37 | wols_ | ma3x: people who can press DVDs have printers too |
| 16:19.39 | hark | not the one from that great store alone |
| 16:19.47 | ma3x | hark: I don't have other DVD players |
| 16:20.06 | wols_ | ma3x: you can. not as blatantly as the rolex but you can |
| 16:20.08 | hark | discs even |
| 16:20.12 | enouf | wols_: no .. the printer is the cost limitation factor! .. w-a-y too much $ for that |
| 16:20.16 | dury | I 've red all that but someone can indicate me how please |
| 16:20.39 | valdyn | dury: you read the faq? |
| 16:20.41 | isofunk | hello |
| 16:20.42 | wols_ | dury: paste your /etc/network/interfaces with what you have done so far |
| 16:20.43 | ShakaGoldSaint | so no one here uses xgl then :( |
| 16:20.45 | ma3x | wols_: like I said - you wouldn't be able to buy rolex for $10 at the rolex store or some highly trusted store |
| 16:20.46 | str4` | yo |
| 16:20.58 | wols_ | dury: man interfaces even has examples |
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| 16:21.06 | enouf | ma3x: you still didn't answer .. are you the fed? |
| 16:21.15 | hark | ShakaGoldSaint: i used it with my ati card way back when compiz was initially released |
| 16:21.18 | wols_ | ma3x: legit stores buy illegitimate goods all the time for resale. |
| 16:21.25 | drexxi | someone needs me to help plz with vsftpd or proftpd /w plz |
| 16:21.26 | wols_ | not cause they want to defraud you but they do |
| 16:21.46 | bzed | !tell drexxi about anyone |
| 16:21.47 | wols_ | drexxi: state your problem more concisely, not so open ended |
| 16:21.52 | dury | yeah but I have to confugure ip, mask, broadcast, gateway and dns |
| 16:22.00 | ma3x | wols_: why would they do that? I mean if they get caught, wouldn't they get high penalty? especially for trusted companies? |
| 16:22.08 | kokoboi | hello i have a problem , i just installed debian/m68k on my macintosh quadra 650, but since there is no option to install boot loader/boot floppy(they are not supported yet) how I will boot the OS ? |
| 16:22.12 | wols_ | dury: dns is done in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:22.20 | wols_ | dury: and just show us what you already did |
| 16:22.30 | ShakaGoldSaint | hark, and how exactly you got it working?, you created a separate xgl session o run xgl with kdm/gdm ? |
| 16:22.46 | drexxi | i dont know my problem thats why i ask u to figure it out for me -.- |
| 16:22.48 | wols_ | ma3x: the company doesn't get penalized besides losing the merchandiese. and I told you the store doesn't do it on purpose |
| 16:22.57 | bzed | lol drexxi |
| 16:23.02 | wols_ | drexxi: hire an admin then |
| 16:23.05 | hark | ShakaGoldSaint: don't remember now, but i did both iirc. with gdm as well as a custom script |
| 16:23.22 | drexxi | can someone of u say something other then lol? |
| 16:23.26 | wols_ | drexxi: we cannot support lazy people who don't event ry to do their own woek |
| 16:23.34 | bzed | kokoboi: as far as I remember you need to use some bootloader from apple to do so. |
| 16:23.36 | wols_ | !lol |
| 16:23.36 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:23.44 | drexxi | i tryd it damn 2 whole days |
| 16:23.49 | wols_ | drexxi: you haven't even described what you actually want |
| 16:23.55 | ma3x | wols_: why would they do that? (buy illegitimate goods for resale)? |
| 16:24.04 | ma3x | why wouldn't they sell real merchandise? |
| 16:24.06 | str4` | I'll think about it |
| 16:24.06 | enouf | ma3x: go ask google |
| 16:24.07 | hark | ShakaGoldSaint: there are tons of guides on the net. i recommend google (note it need not be distro specific) |
| 16:24.08 | wols_ | ma3x: cause someone cheated them |
| 16:24.12 | bzed | kokoboi: but i have no clue, sorry. I guess googling will help, there're some tutorials for sure |
| 16:24.13 | drexxi | i dont get that ftp up it says me it cant connect |
| 16:24.31 | wols_ | ma3x: are you dumb? they don't know it's illegal. they assumed it was genuine |
| 16:24.51 | enouf | wols_: stop wasting your breath .. now it's absurd .. |
| 16:25.01 | wols_ | drexxi: how did you install it? have you checked netstat if it's listening? do you have any firewall running? |
| 16:25.02 | enouf | well .. it already was .. but |
| 16:25.30 | ma3x | wols_: but aren't they doing business directly with the company that makes the movie? ( if deutsche grammophon owns the movie - then the store orders from them) |
| 16:26.07 | wols_ | ma3x: no |
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| 16:26.23 | wols_ | unless it's a chain the size of walmart (not even then) it buys from middlemen |
| 16:26.31 | hark | ma3x: so it was just this one dvd IIUYC, try it on another player or take it back to that store |
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| 16:27.01 | amee2k | since when does a floppy drive qualify as 'network hardware'? http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8347/floppyqt5.png |
| 16:27.05 | hark | alternatively, get another dvd to try out to rule out harware problems |
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| 16:27.18 | ShakaGoldSaint | hark, yep, i've been googling for a couple of couple of days, i first tried to get it to work in the same way i did with ubuntu, a xgl session, i couldn't find the xserver-xgl package, so i got it from a ubuntu repo, as suggested in beryl wiki for debian, there they suggest to run gdm with xgl, that didn't work here, i get a black screen and a bysy cursor, and with the session way, gdm just restarts afetr i login |
| 16:27.19 | wols_ | amee2k: sneaker net! |
| 16:27.28 | drexxi | wols its listening i have none firewall i instralled it with apt and i changed the port in /etc/services |
| 16:27.28 | amee2k | hehe |
| 16:27.42 | ma3x | hark: yes, and the second DVD I have is from another company ( MK2 productions ) and it reads this one untill 01:02:02 (hour ...) and then freezes |
| 16:27.49 | wols_ | can you telnet/connect to it from localhost? |
| 16:27.56 | wols_ | drexxi: paste the output of netstat |
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| 16:28.38 | ma3x | hark: I've played the dvd and fast forwarded untill 01:01:50 and then waited what will happen at 01:02:02 |
| 16:28.38 | kokoboi | bzed : First of all: remember you need to boot into MacOS before you can boot Linux--you need at least one MacOS partition of about 10 MB for some comfort. |
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| 16:28.38 | dfgas | anyone get a sigmatel 9200 (sound card) working yet? |
| 16:28.38 | ma3x | hark: out of twenty times, it went smoothly a few times |
| 16:28.38 | hark | it seems more like a media issue |
| 16:28.39 | kokoboi | oh no :( |
| 16:28.41 | ShakaGoldSaint | i'll keep googling, thanks hark and everyone else who implicitly suggest me to throw my ati card and get a nvidia one |
| 16:28.50 | drexxi | no i cant wols.. i removed it just now so stand by plz |
| 16:29.04 | wols_ | dfgas: get alsa develpment version direct from alsa-project.org. It's an intel HDA device right? |
| 16:29.27 | hark | ShakaGoldSaint: i have an older card, and the open source radeon drivers work great... better than intels or nvidia's binary drivers |
| 16:29.28 | dfgas | wols_: yes |
| 16:29.49 | bzed | ShakaGoldSaint: nvidia and ati both suck for their closed sources drivers with all their bullshit tricks they do i firmware instead of developing serious hardware, but nvidia sucks less |
| 16:29.55 | hark | ShakaGoldSaint: i'd suggest first getting it working without gdm |
| 16:29.59 | ShakaGoldSaint | hark, lucky you, i also got aiglx+compiz working on a radeon 700 and a 9600xt |
| 16:30.02 | dfgas | wols_: so use cvs? |
| 16:30.04 | wols_ | dfgas: intel-hda for the driver then |
| 16:30.12 | ShakaGoldSaint | hark, without gdm?, how's that? |
| 16:30.15 | wols_ | dfgas: no not cvs. there is an alsa dev version on the site |
| 16:30.34 | bzed | ShakaGoldSaint: the ati cards which are supported by DRI work very well, though. dri rocks. better than any driver from ati |
| 16:30.37 | dfgas | wols_: the driver is all loaded i just don't have any sound |
| 16:30.40 | hark | start the xserver manually |
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| 16:30.52 | wols_ | bzed: doing the stuff they do in software is fine. It's the BS licenses that suck |
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| 16:31.08 | wols_ | a videochip is a programmable coprocessor. no way around that |
| 16:31.09 | hark | once that works, you can go ahead with integrating it onto gdm |
| 16:31.18 | bzed | dfgas: there's a fix for the intel hda in the latest kernel on kernel.org, if you know how to build your own kernel, probably just do it on your own |
| 16:31.18 | krekon | hi |
| 16:31.22 | wols_ | better than if they put it in eeproms (the driver that is) |
| 16:32.10 | bzed | wols_: that would solve the problem, though. you could make opensource-drivers and just update the graphics card bios when needed |
| 16:32.12 | krekon | how can I make kpdf run when another application calls it? |
| 16:32.39 | wols_ | bzed: no. see WLAN firmwares |
| 16:32.59 | dfgas | wols_: which one of the devolope version do i use? |
| 16:33.03 | dfgas | download |
| 16:33.24 | wols_ | dfgas: there is only one on that site. where do you see more than one? |
| 16:33.28 | bzed | wols_: ok, let's say it in a better way: they should provide a _firmware_ blob instead of a ton of binary-only userspace stuff which includes the firmware |
| 16:33.33 | wols_ | stable release. development release |
| 16:33.46 | dfgas | wols_: i see drivers, tools and so on |
| 16:34.00 | wols_ | bzed: still bad, it simply moves the problem. doesn't eliminate it |
| 16:34.03 | hark | ShakaGoldSaint: try the gentoo wiki.. seems a bit more comprehensive |
| 16:34.13 | wols_ | dfgas: and? |
| 16:34.21 | wols_ | a driver is not a library is not utils, is it? |
| 16:34.26 | ShakaGoldSaint | hark i will, thanks |
| 16:34.48 | bzed | wols_: on wlan drivers there's no not really a way around the firmware blob, but for most of them the rest of the driver is just opensource now |
| 16:34.50 | dfgas | wols_: so just get the alsa devolpment drivers? |
| 16:34.52 | wols_ | dfgas: maybe you should read a howto how to install alsa? |
| 16:35.12 | wols_ | bzed: there is a way: license the driver properly |
| 16:35.54 | wols_ | a manufacturer could easily license it under GPL or better BSD license (for the BSD folks). eh voila: firmware in the kernel |
| 16:35.59 | bzed | wols_: sure, the whole driver except the firmware blob. and not only half of the driver |
| 16:36.13 | wols_ | or they could just make the driver itself Free software. done |
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| 16:38.35 | bzed | wols_: that will never happen. I doubt the FCC will be happy if everybody can modify the frequency and other settings in wlan cards, and nvidia doesn;t want to tell ati abotu their dirty tricks they're doing within their cards |
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| 16:39.36 | wols_ | stuff like freqeucny could be in eeprom :) |
| 16:40.00 | bzed | wols_: not to forget that there's nothign to play with in a wlan adapter firmware, you need a HF lab if you really want to optimize somethign in it. |
| 16:40.05 | bzed | sure |
| 16:40.05 | wols_ | but yes, it will never happen, I agree. partly for financial reason and a lot for legal ones, especially in case of videocards |
| 16:40.13 | wols_ | well. a lot of braindeadness too |
| 16:40.14 | bzed | yeah |
| 16:40.29 | wols_ | but just imagine how many software patents nvidia and ati violate |
| 16:40.36 | wols_ | the mind probably boggles |
| 16:40.45 | wols_ | I'm sure there is MAD in those drivers for both |
| 16:40.50 | bzed | for sure |
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| 16:41.12 | bzed | including some stuff to make sure that benchmark programs get bullshit results |
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| 16:41.28 | wols_ | those are the most important features I guess |
| 16:41.36 | bzed | harder faster more |
| 16:41.49 | hark | but they don't even release the hardware specs, forget the code |
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| 16:42.39 | bzed | a chip is probably more easy to reverse engeneer than such a binary blob |
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| 16:42.53 | Xenguy | Hi - I used 'hostname bar' to change the hostname from 'foo' to 'bar'; now I see 'bar' at the prompt (=good), but 'cat /etc/hostname' still gives 'foo'. Shouldn't /etc/hostname now contain 'bar' ? |
| 16:43.09 | hark | !hostname |
| 16:43.10 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 16:43.31 | bzed | hostname > /etc/hostname |
| 16:43.33 | bzed | ;) |
| 16:44.04 | wols_ | bzed: no. the blob is easier. there are no debuggers or disassemblers for microchips |
| 16:44.16 | Xenguy | hark: thanks, that explains it then (I thought that manual file editing of /etc/hostname was not necessary, but I see it is) |
| 16:44.21 | Xenguy | bzed: tx |
| 16:44.45 | bzed | wols_: true, but you put a lot of bullshit functions into code jsut to confuse people |
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| 16:45.06 | Viking1 | first change your /etc/hosts to your new hostname ie: joe.localdomain joe |
| 16:45.15 | Viking1 | then do: hostname joe |
| 16:45.20 | Viking1 | reboot |
| 16:45.47 | Viking1 | anyone here use metisse and fvwm-metisse? |
| 16:46.18 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 16:46.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:46.37 | bzed | wols_: although debuggers can analyze such things pretty fast, that's true. but de-capping chips and photographing them is nothign unusual, either |
| 16:46.46 | Bracki | How can i set wpa on a pcmcia card using rt2x00 as driver? |
| 16:47.06 | bzed | Viking1: you missed /etc/hostname. als - you're on linux, no need to reboot |
| 16:47.15 | wols_ | bzed: but it's harder to get reigister specs from a pic of a chip than debugging its driver... |
| 16:47.23 | Viking1 | Problems with getting x11vnc and metisse using fvwm-metisse for client to see screen changes |
| 16:47.41 | bzed | wols_: that's true |
| 16:48.04 | bzed | wols_: I'm wondering if you can open their chips at all without destoying them |
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| 16:49.57 | ShakaGoldSaint | wow that gentoo wiki is great, thanks again hark, i'm trying xgl in a nested window :D, if it crashes no need to restart, i fix the first problem, some font path stuff now beryl sort of runs there |
| 16:50.27 | wols_ | bzed: you can with the proper equip |
| 16:50.46 | wols_ | even modders sometimes decap they chips to improve cooling |
| 16:50.57 | wols_ | many dead chips ensue of course but far from all |
| 16:51.25 | wols_ | usually it's done for CPUs, but GPUs have been done too |
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| 16:52.00 | Viking1 | x11vnc and metisse w/ fvwm-metisse for remote client, I can connect and see server desktop, but do not see changes on remote desktop although when I check the server changes are shown? |
| 16:52.28 | bzed | wols_: yeah, or to take photos of the xbox chips to reverse-engineer them, but I know that it's possible to pack them into some special material so they'll be destroyed if anybody tries to open them, but I think that's not a normal chip size then |
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| 16:53.38 | hark | ShakaGoldSaint: nice, well good luck :) |
| 16:53.38 | wols_ | definteily not. and it's not proof either afaik. depends on the expense and hardware you can bring against it |
| 16:54.00 | wols_ | what MS did in the xbox was to put it all in an epoxy block |
| 16:54.23 | wols_ | real stuff is done by IBM for ATM black boxes. and they don't call it tamper proof but only tamper resistant |
| 16:54.28 | wols_ | that should tell you something :) |
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| 16:56.45 | bzed | wols_: hehe yeah. I think the only pieces of hardware which are supposed to be secure in that way are crypt cards |
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| 16:57.42 | wols_ | anything man made can be broken into |
| 16:57.42 | Kronuz | hello |
| 16:57.56 | CAiRO | how can i get udev to automatically link /dev/dvdrw1 to /dev/dvdrw? |
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| 16:58.45 | Kronuz | hey, I'm using FakeRAID (dmraid) on an NVIDIA nForce4 RAID, but I'm getting a bunch of "attempt to access beyond end of device" while starting |
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| 16:59.49 | hark | CAiRO: /msg dpkg udev rules |
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| 17:00.30 | Kronuz | it says it's trying on the hda device... how can I tell what device that one really is? |
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| 17:01.04 | Kronuz | hmm.. or was it sda... |
| 17:01.46 | Kronuz | sda it's sda |
| 17:02.04 | Kronuz | attempt to access beyond end of device; sda: rw=0, want=208845000, limit=145226112 |
| 17:02.15 | Kronuz | and there's a lot of those |
| 17:02.35 | wols_ | dmesg |grep sda |
| 17:02.39 | pickcoder | it's a bug in dmraid |
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| 17:02.51 | Kronuz | pickcoder: oh, really? |
| 17:03.20 | pickcoder | what kernel are you on |
| 17:03.24 | pickcoder | and what distro |
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| 17:03.52 | Kronuz | pickcoder: I'm using 2.6.18, and I'm using Debian 4.0 etch RC2 |
| 17:05.40 | Kent767 | is there an easy way to find out where my mouse is? |
| 17:06.06 | xand | Kent767: use your eyes? |
| 17:06.14 | xand | a GPS? |
| 17:06.17 | Kent767 | trying to get KDE up on a debian install and i can't get anywhere w/ xf86cfg |
| 17:06.21 | Kent767 | :-p |
| 17:06.25 | ma3x | can you use lightscribe with debian / k3b? |
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| 17:06.41 | Kent767 | its an old ibm thinkpad which has one of those little nubbins on it :-p |
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| 17:07.25 | RudiRendeer | hi |
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| 17:07.45 | Kronuz | pickcoder: do you know if the bug is being worked out for debian package release? |
| 17:07.46 | RudiRendeer | anybody inside who could help me with a gdesklet problem? |
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| 17:09.57 | RudiRendeer | ? |
| 17:10.02 | Kronuz | pickcoder: certainly, sda I've verified it, it's the first disk in my RAID array |
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| 17:10.38 | Kent767 | acutally i have a different issue right now... KDE is starting up after boot, and my mouse and keyboard aren't working correctly, is there a way i can break out of that so that I can log in from a terminal? |
| 17:11.09 | ma3x | wols_: you know lightscribe? (some dvd drives have the capability to make disc labels). is there some software that can do that in debian? |
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| 17:11.12 | Kronuz | pickcoder: I also get errors on the first disk of my second array (sdc) but not on the second disks of the arrays |
| 17:11.46 | pickcoder | Kronuz: I would steer clear of dmraid and use SATA mode instead and build an array using softraid |
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| 17:12.09 | pickcoder | the nforce4 is still a fairly new chipset |
| 17:12.16 | pickcoder | most of the RAID support has been hacked |
| 17:12.26 | Kronuz | pickcoder: but it's all done now :( |
| 17:12.59 | Kronuz | pickcoder: does softraid also creates a a mapper device? |
| 17:13.13 | ShakaGoldSaint | hark, got it!, check this out http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e267/ShakaGoldSaint/Pantallazo-1-1.png :D |
| 17:13.37 | enouf | Kronuz: is that an AMD64 cpu? |
| 17:13.54 | Kronuz | enouf: yes, but I'm using a i386 kernel |
| 17:14.02 | pickcoder | Kronuz: what mode is the nforce4 in? RAID |
| 17:14.04 | Kronuz | AMD 64 X2 |
| 17:14.17 | Kronuz | the RAID is stripped RAID 0 |
| 17:14.26 | pickcoder | or is it in AHCI |
| 17:14.29 | pickcoder | oh |
| 17:14.37 | Kronuz | ...living on the edge here ;-) |
| 17:15.09 | h3sp4wn | Its sata_nv afaik |
| 17:15.12 | enouf | Kronuz: well .. you have more than 4Gb RAM? .. if so this may apply http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404148 |
| 17:15.30 | Kronuz | enouf: nope, I only have 2GB |
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| 17:15.53 | h3sp4wn | Kronuz: Have you working NCQ ? |
| 17:16.08 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: yea, but it doesn't work well |
| 17:16.09 | Kronuz | NCQ? |
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| 17:16.28 | pickcoder | I have a few installs on nf4 and ended up putting in 3ware cards |
| 17:16.50 | pickcoder | if you don't want to deal with softraid, then consider buying a real RAID controller |
| 17:17.32 | pickcoder | Kronuz: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 17:17.37 | Kronuz | pickcoder: I have considered it... and more drives, I really shouldn't be using RAID0 |
| 17:18.03 | pickcoder | if you have a board with PCI-X then you are wasting nice hardware by using the nf4 controller |
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| 17:18.05 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: Mine is working ok with a single drive (desktop) - nforce 550 (but no NCQ) the NCQ should work on nforce 4 |
| 17:18.19 | h3sp4wn | at least as of 2.6.20 |
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| 17:18.38 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: it's in RAID mode with one drive? |
| 17:18.47 | hark | ShakaGoldSaint: cool, you should also be able to do it full screen as well, check the performance etc. nice |
| 17:18.55 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: Mine is not in raid mode (I think software raid is worthless) |
| 17:19.24 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: like I said.. the SATA and AHCI modes for the nf4 are ok if you want to use softraid |
| 17:19.27 | CAiRO | what can be the reason when writing a dvd with growisofs always fails after 1 or 2 mb with an input/output error? |
| 17:19.33 | pickcoder | I had no problems using drives under those modes |
| 17:19.36 | pickcoder | RAID mode was crap |
| 17:19.43 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: But nforce 4 uses - sata_nv not AHCI |
| 17:19.57 | enouf | Kronuz: also see linux-ata.org and disable dmraid, as it doesn't have kernel support .. atleast not yet in debian .. afaict |
| 17:20.02 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
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| 17:20.33 | enouf | CAiRO: crap blank media for one |
| 17:21.01 | enouf | CAiRO: what are you burning? .. IOW .. was the source a commercial product at one time? |
| 17:21.03 | Kronuz | enouf: if I use softraid instead, how flexible is it? |
| 17:21.10 | CAiRO | hmm, but i bought the one i've always been using.. well i'm not burning very often, but a month ago it worked without problems |
| 17:21.21 | enouf | Kronuz: others would know better than I .. that;s more subjective |
| 17:21.22 | CAiRO | iso image |
| 17:22.29 | enouf | CAiRO: exact command the same too? .. media cake boxes (depending upon quality can have 20% bad blanks within them) |
| 17:22.35 | enouf | or more |
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| 17:23.28 | CAiRO | yeah, its in my bash history, i'm using tdk media, don't know if it is good, but i thought so |
| 17:23.29 | Supaplex | I don't trust the current state of wodim |
| 17:23.35 | CAiRO | tdk dvd+rw |
| 17:23.43 | enouf | CAiRO: also some media is made in taiwan (sucky), and some in japan (better), but same labelled name .. |
| 17:23.46 | Kent767 | is there any kind of key sequence you can do at boot to stop kdm from running? |
| 17:23.50 | Kent767 | while booting |
| 17:24.01 | Kent767 | my keyboard and mouse aren't configured right and its booting straight to KDM |
| 17:24.13 | Supaplex | !nodm |
| 17:24.14 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 17:24.28 | enouf | CAiRO: most malaysian stuff is shitty last I heard, but some select brands/manu (ATIPcode) may be decent |
| 17:24.31 | pickcoder | Kronuz: if you are concerned about expansion later, consider deploying LVM either on RAID or non-RAID partitions. With softRAID you can expand existing md devices. You can't easily do that with hardware RAID. |
| 17:24.34 | Kent767 | i can't do that because its booting straight to the kdm |
| 17:24.38 | Kronuz | about RAIDs, is RAID1 read access speed as fast as RAID0's? (I know it's slower 'cause it has to write stuff twice, but for reading it could use both drives, right) |
| 17:24.49 | Kent767 | i have to turn it off to even exit the screen |
| 17:24.54 | Supaplex | Kent767: pass "single" to the kernel commandline from your boot loader |
| 17:25.03 | CAiRO | enouf: i could try to overwrite a disk i've already successfully writen, but i'm not happy with it.. if i mess it up and cannot burn it again |
| 17:25.10 | Supaplex | or ssh in from some other box |
| 17:25.21 | pickcoder | !raid |
| 17:25.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid]. |
| 17:25.22 | Kent767 | ok i'll try that |
| 17:25.25 | Kent767 | thanks |
| 17:25.28 | pickcoder | !raid1 |
| 17:25.29 | dpkg | raid1 is, like, a single mirrored raid with a minimum of two drives |
| 17:25.32 | CAiRO | i'm trying the 3rd disk of the package now |
| 17:25.32 | enouf | Supaplex: growisofs is aprt of dvdrw-tools .. genisoimage and wodim are cdrkit pkgs |
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| 17:26.08 | Supaplex | CAiRO: which program is burning poorly for you? |
| 17:26.12 | enouf | Supaplex: but yes.. growisofs calls upon cdrecord/wodim for burning |
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| 17:26.34 | CAiRO | growisofs |
| 17:26.59 | Supaplex | enouf: there's a nasty bts bug that keeps stabbing back at me. my only workaround is to burn with -nofix first, then -fix right after. |
| 17:27.06 | Kronuz | pickcoder: I sort of understand all the RAID types there are, but it seems technically feasible that RAID1 drives could be as fast (if not even faster) than RAID0 drives for reading stuff |
| 17:27.13 | CAiRO | well, maybe its a different problem, now i get "kernel: hdd: irq timeout: status=0x90 { Busy }" and "kernel: hdd: DMA disabled" in the system log |
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| 17:27.35 | enouf | CAiRO: i'd also grab some DVD-R or +R and not the reWritable crap .. |
| 17:28.02 | CAiRO | yeah, but could that lead to the kernel tunring of dma? |
| 17:28.06 | CAiRO | turning |
| 17:28.09 | CAiRO | i don't really get it |
| 17:28.10 | pickcoder | Kronuz: there are a lot of factors involved in determining drive subsystem performance |
| 17:28.20 | pickcoder | at the root is the controller's capability |
| 17:28.21 | CAiRO | what does that irq timeout mean? |
| 17:28.39 | enouf | CAiRO: what does hdparm -i /dev/hdd say |
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| 17:28.43 | Kronuz | pickcoder: but what about softraid? |
| 17:28.59 | enouf | CAiRO: look for an asterisk next to one of the udma(s) |
| 17:29.06 | CAiRO | udma2 |
| 17:29.12 | CAiRO | the best possible mode |
| 17:29.27 | Kronuz | also, I was wondering, I have two 250GB drives and two 74GB drives, can I put them all together in RAID 1+0 or something using softraid? |
| 17:29.41 | enouf | CAiRO: also check you dmesg logs .. dmesg | grep -i hd |
| 17:29.49 | Kronuz | probably not, since they're both different sizes and all |
| 17:30.12 | CAiRO | enouf: yeah, there are thoses irq timeout and dma disabled messages |
| 17:30.15 | CAiRO | but nothing more |
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| 17:30.42 | pickcoder | Kronuz: striping across multiple drives/channels will always be faster than duplicating the same data across multiple drives/channels at the same time |
| 17:30.46 | enouf | CAiRO: faulty media will cause that .. not even faulty if you do like an hwinfo with a cd/dvd in the drive |
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| 17:31.05 | Kronuz | pickcoder: generally would it be possible in a hardware RAID to have different size drives? |
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| 17:32.42 | hq4ever_2 | say I have server A with some packages installed and I wish to make the same selections on server B (I would also like server B to purge packages not selected on server A) how can I do that ? |
| 17:33.03 | Kronuz | pickcoder: yes, stripping them for writing, but for reading (only for reading, I know writing would be slower to write in two places) one could read from any of the two drives in a RAID1 as the controller sees fit (it could access in a stripped way or not, depending on what's faster) |
| 17:33.28 | pickcoder | you can put whatever size drives you want on an array, but the array size will be set based on the smallest drive installed |
| 17:33.36 | enouf | hq4ever_2: /msg dpkg reinstall .. use dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
| 17:33.57 | Kronuz | pickcoder: so it would be as if I had four 74GB drives :( |
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| 17:34.16 | Kronuz | hmm.. softraid is not "free" |
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| 17:34.41 | behuter | i have three nic's for internet sharing, eth0 is the external, eth1 is one internal subnet: 10.0.0.0 and eth2 is another internal subnet: 10.0.1.0, eth1 works fine but i can't get internet to work on eth2 |
| 17:34.46 | behuter | what could be wrong |
| 17:34.49 | enouf | hq4ever_2: actually a /msg dpkg selections <-- might be better |
| 17:34.56 | pickcoder | Kronuz: reading and writing peform the same behavior. striping equates to more bandwidth per transaction since you are using more than one path to read/write a block of data |
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| 17:35.07 | hq4ever_2 | enouf: thanks, will it also purge non selected packages from A ? |
| 17:35.44 | enouf | hq4ever_2: erm .. there's a way to .. but refer to the apt howto for more detailed info |
| 17:35.57 | enouf | !tell hq4ever_2 -about apt howto |
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| 17:36.14 | Kronuz | pickcoder: that's what confuses me... RAID1 is about duplicating stuff in two drives, so why would read do it in the same inefficient way? (just to check consistency or what?) |
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| 17:37.31 | mina_linux_Tux | i have Debian sarge with PHP4 and Apache 1.3 , i want to upgrade to php5 with having the PHP4 configs , i used to get PHP5 with apt-get backports , but i can't let php5 working as the default one , must i redit the php.ini , or what i have to do ? any comment ? |
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| 17:38.38 | earthian | hello, why would I need debugging symbols packages? |
| 17:38.45 | pickcoder | Kronuz: it depends on the controller |
| 17:38.48 | pickcoder | http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/raid_tech/_education/RAID_level_compar_wp.htm |
| 17:38.48 | hq4ever_2 | enouf: Thank you. |
| 17:38.49 | earthian | i.e. "debugging symbols for iceweasel" |
| 17:38.58 | enouf | no prob |
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| 17:39.33 | hq4ever_2 | earthian: you don't, unless you wish to debug the application |
| 17:39.38 | mina_linux_Tux | hey ppl . no comment ? |
| 17:39.39 | pickcoder | normally, you shouldn't see a difference between one drive and a RAID1 |
| 17:39.40 | hq4ever_2 | debugging symbols are function names |
| 17:39.52 | hq4ever_2 | and co. |
| 17:40.03 | earthian | hq4ever_2, thanks.. i will remove 50mb size iceweasel-dbg thing that is useless... |
| 17:40.08 | pickcoder | if the controller has write cache, then your writes will be faster than average |
| 17:40.17 | pickcoder | reads will probably be average |
| 17:40.23 | pickcoder | though it depends on the controller |
| 17:40.52 | enouf | hq4ever_2: the apt-get -u dselect-upgrade option may do what you want, as from the "selections" factoid, also man apt-get, man dpkg |
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| 17:42.04 | hq4ever_2 | I will go check this now, you are welcome to look here to see what I'm talking about https://vps.rfsee.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=server_move_to_bytemark.co.uk |
| 17:42.05 | mina_linux_Tux | am i off topic ppl ? |
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| 17:42.47 | simonrvn | no, just be patient |
| 17:42.59 | simonrvn | Netham45|Gone: don't do that |
| 17:43.03 | xand | Netham45|Gone: don't do that |
| 17:43.16 | Netham45|Gone | Netham45|Gone: don't do that |
| 17:43.17 | Kent767 | is there a clear way to determine what device i need to select for a given laptop? I can't seem to get my keyboard or mouse to work in kdm |
| 17:43.29 | Kent767 | sorry for the nooby questions :( |
| 17:44.15 | mina_linux_Tux | i'm asking again am i off topic ? |
| 17:44.22 | simonrvn | no, just be patient |
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| 17:44.48 | zrin | I'm trying to connect to a VPN appliance (sonicwall) with openswan. I've installed openswan and created configuration, but on a connection attempt, "ipsec" outputs just a few lines (last is 112 "sonicwall" #1: STATE_AGGR_I1: initiate) and exits. I need a clue how to debug this connection. tcpdump shows one packet out and one in, but - nothing happens!? |
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| 17:45.12 | zrin | also, should there be a new network interface for these connections? |
| 17:45.14 | enouf | Netham45|Gone: don't do that |
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| 17:45.45 | Netham45|Gone | iTunes saves it's movies in what format? |
| 17:45.47 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: no .. but perhaps the parties that know precisely aren't available |
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| 17:46.26 | simonrvn | mina_linux_Tux: no it doesn't depend on the ini, it depends on whether or not it's installed |
| 17:46.33 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: do you know the difference between a apt-get remove <pkg> , and apt-get --purge remove <pkg> ? |
| 17:46.39 | hq4ever_2 | zrin: Just wondering, why you choose to use swan and not racoon /w ipsec-tools ? |
| 17:46.59 | behuter | iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT |
| 17:47.09 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: can you state your problem again? I just don't get what you mean |
| 17:47.11 | behuter | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.24 | mina_linux_Tux | enouf: no |
| 17:47.30 | enouf | !tell Kent767 about laptop |
| 17:47.34 | zrin | hq4ever_2: I've googled for linux, VPN and sonicwall and found openswan ... shall I try racoon instead? |
| 17:47.34 | wols_ | behuter: tried ipmasq? |
| 17:47.40 | behuter | but email and other stuff works on the eth2 subnet |
| 17:47.43 | behuter | wols_ yes |
| 17:48.04 | h3sp4wn | zrin: isakmpd has the easiest syntax I think |
| 17:48.05 | simonrvn | Netham45|Gone: versioning the channel is not going to get you any friends, nor much help |
| 17:48.06 | wols_ | behuter: ipmasq is all you need |
| 17:48.12 | mina_linux_Tux | wols want just to upgrade php4 ->php5 , i got php5 from apt-get backports , but don't know how to make it the default version of my system |
| 17:48.14 | empgdjh | Kent767 : output of dmesg command might give some insight - but better is lspci or lsusb. run as root for max benefit |
| 17:48.17 | simonrvn | besides, what does itunes have to do with debian? |
| 17:48.18 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: "remove" removes the pkg, but leaves the config files , while a "--purge remove" removes both |
| 17:48.27 | Kronuz | pickcoder: is LVM software RAID based? |
| 17:48.32 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: if you install it,it is the default version. it won't coexist afaik |
| 17:48.39 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: however .. please make backups before trying anything .. |
| 17:48.42 | zrin | h3sp4wn: isakmpd - is that a protocol? or application? |
| 17:48.44 | pickcoder | LVM has nothing to do with RAID |
| 17:48.44 | thapa | mina_linux_Tux: what does php --version say? |
| 17:48.46 | pickcoder | !lvm |
| 17:48.47 | dpkg | well, lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 17:48.52 | behuter | wols_: so i read, but there seems to be a glitch, the 10.0.1.0 network can't get internet |
| 17:49.03 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: others know about your dilemma better than I .. |
| 17:49.04 | behuter | but it can check emai land chat, |
| 17:49.07 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: dpkg -l php |
| 17:49.11 | wols_ | paste the output of that |
| 17:49.17 | behuter | i also can't ping a domain name |
| 17:49.24 | hq4ever_2 | zrin: I'm not in the position to advice on the subject because I'm having difficulties connecting to a fortigate vpn myself, but (free|open)swan are old implementations of ipsec and are considered "hacks" for the 2.4 (and 2.6) kerenl. ipsec-utils are the way to go IMHO because they are integertaed into the kernel. |
| 17:49.32 | h3sp4wn | zrin: Its the openbsd ipsec daemon - the three choices are openswan / kame (racoon) or openbsd (isakmpd) |
| 17:49.34 | wols_ | behuter: I use the same sort of setup, but with 192.168.0.0/16. works fine |
| 17:49.53 | wols_ | behuter: can you ping IPs? |
| 17:49.54 | behuter | wols_ do u have two subnets? |
| 17:50.19 | wols_ | yes, two subnets. 3 NICs inside the gateway |
| 17:50.41 | ManuP | when will debian include initng by standard? |
| 17:51.09 | wols_ | behuter: btw, "email and chat" are "internet" |
| 17:51.10 | behuter | wols_: no i can't ping ip's |
| 17:51.15 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: no packages found matches php |
| 17:51.17 | behuter | i mean port 80 |
| 17:51.19 | wols_ | behuter: then how can you use email or chat? |
| 17:51.20 | zrin | h3sp4wn: thank you - what shall I try first? isakmpd? does it work with stock kernel (etch, 2.6.18-4)? |
| 17:51.31 | behuter | port 25, port 6777 |
| 17:51.34 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: sry. try dpkg -l |grep php |
| 17:51.45 | wols_ | behuter: ports are irrelevant for NAT |
| 17:51.50 | behuter | oh |
| 17:52.05 | behuter | so what can be wrong? |
| 17:52.18 | wols_ | behuter: unless you do additional crap, if you have connection to port 25 and 6667, other ports will work just as well |
| 17:52.30 | wols_ | just like icmp |
| 17:52.41 | wols_ | what is on the 10.0.1.0 client running? |
| 17:52.50 | behuter | wols_ could it be because i'm plugging them into the same switch |
| 17:53.01 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:53.07 | h3sp4wn | zrin: I would yes it is supported by all 2.6 kernels (and I think even in sarge with the 2.6 ipsec stack) |
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| 17:53.11 | wols_ | why would you do such a stupid thing btw? |
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| 17:53.25 | zrin | h3sp4wn: thank you |
| 17:53.28 | wols_ | well, if your switch can do VLANs it might work, but again: why do it? |
| 17:54.04 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/408206 |
| 17:54.13 | behuter | well i have wifi network and i wanted one part to be in a different subnet, so i though i would just plug both into the same switch and just give the machines a diferent ip |
| 17:54.56 | wols_ | behuter: apt-gte remove the php4 stuff |
| 17:55.26 | behuter | ? |
| 17:55.40 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: u r talking to me ? |
| 17:55.45 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: yes |
| 17:56.40 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: apt-get remove php4 will not let me loose the php settings and configs of the previous version , so and then how to let the default version, be php5 |
| 17:56.41 | wols_ | behuter: why can't you plug in the AP into the 2nd NIC directly? |
| 17:57.05 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: read what "--purge" does |
| 17:57.07 | wols_ | !purge |
| 17:57.08 | dpkg | hmm... purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 17:57.17 | behuter | wols_ both need to be plugged into an ap, because they go from the gateway right into a wireless link |
| 17:57.25 | wols_ | as for making php5 default: dpkg-reconfigure it |
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| 17:57.27 | h3sp4wn | zrin: http://www.ipsec-howto.org/t1.html (that gives you the 3 options - when I had to set one up last I looked and thought the openbsd one had the most sensible syntax) |
| 17:57.43 | wols_ | behuter: then why don't you do it? why a switch? |
| 17:57.43 | Kent767 | thanks enouf i'll take a look at it |
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| 17:58.08 | behuter | well i have a linksys router and i plugged both into the switch |
| 17:58.37 | wols_ | behuter: is your debian the router or is it the linksys? you are a very confused guy or you're not telling us all |
| 17:58.46 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: some details about dpkg -reconfigure it ? |
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| 17:59.01 | behuter | wols_: the linksys is just there for the wifi debina is the router |
| 17:59.05 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: read what I typed. don't make stuff up |
| 17:59.43 | wols_ | behuter: how many APs do you have and how many different wireless networks? |
| 17:59.47 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: i did use apt-get remove php4 |
| 17:59.57 | zrin | h3sp4wn: I'm looking at dependencies - racoon depends on ipsec-tools (as well as openswan/strongswan), but isakmpd not |
| 18:00.01 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: which means, no purging |
| 18:00.18 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: yes |
| 18:00.36 | behuter | wols_: one wireless network, 5 ap |
| 18:00.37 | behuter | wds |
| 18:01.08 | wols_ | how do you plan to use different subnets for different wireless networks when you only have one wireless network? |
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| 18:01.54 | wols_ | and where in the name of $deity is the switch involved if it is all wireless as you seem to imply? |
| 18:01.56 | earthian | heh lol! |
| 18:01.58 | earthian | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 18:01.58 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.58 | earthian | After unpacking 267MB disk space will be freed. |
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| 18:02.07 | utab | this is a little bit off-topic, but If someone can answer I will be glad how can I retrieve my password on irc |
| 18:02.08 | earthian | oops... |
| 18:02.22 | behuter | wols_: the switch is buuilt into the ap |
| 18:02.23 | wols_ | utab: you can't. ask a freenode oper |
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| 18:02.34 | utab | wols_ thx |
| 18:02.36 | earthian | utab, #freenode #help etc |
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| 18:02.45 | wols_ | behuter: I know what a wrt54g is. doesn't mean I follow your strange ideas on network topology |
| 18:02.47 | utab | earthian tx |
| 18:02.53 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: ? |
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| 18:03.09 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: ? ? |
| 18:03.18 | omg0 | is there any way to read back posts from this morning |
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| 18:03.24 | wols_ | omg0: no |
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| 18:03.29 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: now after i did remove php4 , what i have to do |
| 18:03.42 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: learn to read. I won't do handholding |
| 18:04.03 | wols_ | !tell mina_linux_Tux about grounding |
| 18:04.04 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: it is ok , give me a pointer to what i have to read |
| 18:04.13 | omg0 | I had to go and pick up my daughter from school and couldn't finish my java install and its not on the screen anymore |
| 18:04.16 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: I told you what to do already |
| 18:04.26 | wols_ | !tell omm about java package |
| 18:04.34 | wols_ | !tell omg0 about install java |
| 18:04.37 | wols_ | all you need to know |
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| 18:05.40 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: as I told you you might have to dpkg-reconfigure the php5 apache mod |
| 18:05.52 | Sqvirt | does anyone know if there is a smooth way to downgrade packages and dependencies? |
| 18:06.08 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 18:06.09 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 18:06.48 | Kronuz | I've decided to migrate to RAID1 and not use FakeRAID ^_^ |
| 18:06.51 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: or i have to apt-get install php5 |
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| 18:07.04 | Sqvirt | hmm |
| 18:07.04 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: try it. that won't work |
| 18:07.08 | behuter | wols_: what is it that you have a problem with, i've done all this stuff before excluding the debian box |
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| 18:07.29 | wols_ | behuter: what was your router then? |
| 18:07.29 | pickcoder | behuter: each access point has it's own subnet? |
| 18:07.39 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: why won't work ? |
| 18:07.42 | behuter | pickcoder: no |
| 18:07.42 | Sqvirt | has anyone ever considered trying to change the way packages are maintained so that downgrading is possible? |
| 18:07.47 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: just try it |
| 18:07.54 | behuter | wols_: server 2003 :D |
| 18:07.57 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: didn't you say you already had php5 installed? |
| 18:08.19 | wols_ | enouf: his dpkg -l proves it he has |
| 18:08.27 | behuter | everything works except for when i try to access the internet. |
| 18:08.27 | enouf | heh |
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| 18:08.39 | wols_ | behuter: from experience I can tell you it will work very easily and sanely in debian |
| 18:09.11 | behuter | wols_ i think so too, but why isn't it? |
| 18:09.15 | wols_ | behuter: however I don't see the reason to connect the two local nics into the same switch for whateevr reason tbh |
| 18:09.35 | wols_ | behuter: can you ping the debian box from the 2nd subnet? |
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| 18:09.49 | mina_linux_Tux | enouf: yes , but i tried the apt-get with backports and it's downloading it now , doesn't it'll take care of installing the php5 after downloading it |
| 18:09.51 | IRC-Monkey | how to prevent powertweak from loading at startup, once installed? |
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| 18:10.28 | wols_ | find powertweak |
| 18:10.30 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: try that again please .. |
| 18:10.30 | wols_ | !find powertweak |
| 18:10.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'powertweak' (4 of 5): (/usr/bin/lspowertweak) in admin/lspowertweak ;; (/usr/share/insserv/overrides/powertweakd) in misc/insserv ;; (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/powertweak.svgz) in kde/kde-icons-mono ;; (/usr/sbin/powertweakd, /etc/init.d/powertweakd, /etc/default/powertweakd) in admin/powertweakd. |
| 18:10.58 | wols_ | behuter: iptables -L and iptables -L -t nat |
| 18:11.21 | wols_ | IRC-Monkey: man update-rc.d |
| 18:11.35 | mina_linux_Tux | enouf: trying what ? to apt-getting php5 ?, i'm already doing so |
| 18:11.41 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: why is it download it when you have it already installed? |
| 18:11.59 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: don't know , |
| 18:12.01 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: no .. it's already installed .. why are you trying to reinstall it .. use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:12.04 | earthian | whats the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade if there is only one package for upgrade and already installed??? Is it safe to use apt-get dist-upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade? |
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| 18:12.36 | centrx | earthian there is no difference if there is only one package being upgraded |
| 18:12.42 | enouf | !tell earthian -about apt howto |
| 18:12.54 | Kent767 | great link enouf |
| 18:12.56 | Kent767 | life saver :D |
| 18:13.03 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: i'm upgrading the php5 , and i think installtion is running now |
| 18:13.05 | pickcoder | earthian: you use dist-upgrade to move to a newer release of Debian, by also changing your sources.list |
| 18:13.17 | enouf | Kent767: ;-) |
| 18:13.21 | earthian | I see. thanks. |
| 18:14.00 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: something more, i have to get additional modules to php5 works with apache1.3 ? |
| 18:14.12 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: no it's all you need. |
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| 18:14.23 | wols_ | but e.g. mysql access from php will need more modules |
| 18:14.32 | wols_ | so it all depends on your needs |
| 18:15.01 | wols_ | ah yes I see you don't have the php5 apache mod installed. that you need of course to make it work with apache |
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| 18:15.09 | earthian | If I correctly recall, etch currently is the same as unstable, right? However when etch becomes stable like sarge now, what would happen with unstable and what would happen with my debian if i have unstable in my sources.list instead of etch ? |
| 18:15.18 | Kronuz | pickcoder: what's jfs for? |
| 18:15.21 | wols_ | earthian: your recall is very wrong |
| 18:15.22 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: now i tryed to use the phpinfo() i got information regarding version php4.3 not php5 |
| 18:15.25 | pickcoder | etch is testing |
| 18:15.29 | Kronuz | I'm checking http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 18:15.31 | earthian | wols_, testing then? |
| 18:15.37 | wols_ | earthian: yes |
| 18:15.40 | Kronuz | and they use jfs... why not ext3? |
| 18:15.42 | earthian | oh, then what about the testing? |
| 18:15.50 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: I presume that's one of the reasons it's now modular, so you don't have to install oodles of stuff you'll never use |
| 18:15.55 | enouf | !filesystems |
| 18:15.56 | earthian | just replace testing with unstable in my original question. |
| 18:15.56 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
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| 18:16.12 | wols_ | if you have testing in your sources.list you will install lenny packages as soon as etch becomes stable |
| 18:16.14 | pickcoder | Kronuz: I've never used jfs, but I've heard it's reliable |
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| 18:16.21 | mina_linux_Tux | enouf: like what ? |
| 18:16.30 | pickcoder | I use ext3, which is basically ext2 with the journal flag turned on |
| 18:16.42 | enouf | like the mysql example wols_ gave you |
| 18:16.51 | pickcoder | you can disable the journal flag on any ext3 system and it will change to ext2 |
| 18:16.58 | enouf | mina_linux_Tux: are you ok today? |
| 18:16.59 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: install libapache-mod-php5 from backports |
| 18:17.04 | wols_ | if installed remove libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 18:17.05 | Kronuz | pickcoder: but then I don't *have* to use jfs, I can use ext3 or raiserfs, right? (in the RAID) |
| 18:17.18 | wols_ | if you have installed php4 without using dpkg/apt: a curse on your house |
| 18:17.21 | pickcoder | Kronuz: it's your array, put whatever you want on it |
| 18:17.36 | wols_ | Kronuz: you can use any filesystem you want |
| 18:17.37 | earthian | wols_, would you recommend go to that lenny or stay on etch for a desktop system after etch becomes stable? |
| 18:17.44 | Kronuz | I was just wondering if there were technical reasons to use jfs instead of ext3 |
| 18:17.53 | wols_ | earthian: stay with etch, at least for a while |
| 18:18.04 | earthian | thanks wols_ . thanks all! :) |
| 18:18.06 | wols_ | Kronuz: read wikipedia. it's good for such things |
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| 18:18.09 | Kronuz | also, knowing I'd be using RAID1... is ext3 still the best filesystem to use |
| 18:18.23 | wols_ | Kronuz: since you clearly don't know what to use |
| 18:18.25 | wols_ | !ext3 |
| 18:18.25 | dpkg | methinks ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
| 18:18.30 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: u mean i have to remove libapache2-mod-php5 ? and install libapache-mod-php5 ? |
| 18:18.54 | pickcoder | mina_linux_Tux: yes, they are for different versions of apache |
| 18:18.57 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: why do you have libapache2-mod-php5 in the first place? what apache version do you run? |
| 18:18.57 | earthian | mina_linux_Tux, what version of apache do you have? |
| 18:19.00 | jstevens | I can't find any issues via Google but does anyone know of any problems with a Matrox G400 running X at 1680x1050? |
| 18:19.10 | jstevens | Anyone running this config? |
| 18:19.15 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: apache 1.3 |
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| 18:19.35 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: then you cannot have libapach2-mod-php5 installed in the first place |
| 18:19.55 | pickcoder | wols_: unless the apache install put apache2 on it first and then apache1.3 was also installed |
| 18:20.04 | pickcoder | I've had both on my system |
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| 18:21.04 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: ok now i have to use dpkg-reconfigure php5 ? |
| 18:21.11 | IRC-Monkey | does Debian really support xfs?? |
| 18:21.15 | dembug | Hello is there any way to use an older libc6.so on my new etch machine. I've recently dist-upgraded about 10 production machines. The reason we updated was to get "testing" software compatability, as a result we fixed 90% of our problems, but now 10% of our software doesn't run with the new libc6 :( Is there anyway I can use the .so to launch our old libc6 based code? |
| 18:21.34 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: no. libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 18:21.47 | wols_ | sry: libapache2-mod-php5 of course |
| 18:21.54 | dembug | IRC-Monkey: yeah sure, afaik |
| 18:22.02 | dembug | IRC-Monkey: as long as it is compiled into the kernel :> |
| 18:22.03 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: now i'm already installing libapache-mod-php5 |
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| 18:22.24 | dembug | join #libc |
| 18:22.25 | dembug | woops |
| 18:22.27 | wols_ | IRC-Monkey: it does |
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| 18:23.03 | dembug | so anyone? Know a sneaky way to run two versions of libc6 at once? |
| 18:23.03 | wols_ | it's part of the default kernel since sarge and there was a unofficial woody installer for it even |
| 18:23.03 | dembug | or to launch using a specific libc6 library at --specified location |
| 18:23.11 | wols_ | dembug: chroot? |
| 18:23.14 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: ? |
| 18:23.19 | dembug | wols_ chroot is a bit out of the question |
| 18:23.23 | dembug | this is a production machine ;< |
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| 18:23.34 | wols_ | then your request is a bit out of the question too |
| 18:23.36 | dembug | basically we upgraded from sarge 3.1 to etch to fix libc6 issues with newly updated software |
| 18:23.42 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: after installing the libapache-mod-php5 , i have to use dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 18:23.48 | wols_ | compile whatever you need statically. that's the right thing then |
| 18:23.49 | dembug | now we have libc6 issues with older software :( |
| 18:23.52 | wols_ | mina_linux_Tux: no |
| 18:23.53 | IRC-Monkey | great, I was wondering if I should have switched to it from ext3 now with sarge... Any migration tool for cloning disks from ext3 to xfs? |
| 18:23.58 | dembug | wols_ I would if I had the source code, its closed source |
| 18:23.59 | dembug | ;< |
| 18:24.04 | mina_linux_Tux | wols_: so what ? |
| 18:24.05 | wols_ | !tell mina_linux_Tux about grounding |
| 18:24.10 | pickcoder | dembug: what's wrong with your libc |
| 18:24.18 | wols_ | dembug: it's not proper to run closed source either |
| 18:24.22 | dembug | wols_ |
| 18:24.29 | dembug | We don't decide what software developers chose ;/ |
| 18:24.35 | dembug | I'm sure you understand our pain |
| 18:24.49 | dembug | pickcoder recently we upgraded to etch from sarge it fixed 90% of newly updated closed-source-software, by valve |
| 18:24.49 | wols_ | dembug: what version of libc6 would you need? |
| 18:25.08 | pickcoder | dembug: I know that.. what exactly is the problem |
| 18:25.21 | pickcoder | give me an error |
| 18:25.31 | dembug | ok ok sure |
| 18:25.32 | dembug | its a seg fault |
| 18:25.42 | dembug | im trying to strace it but its not providing help |
| 18:25.56 | pickcoder | run it in gdb |
| 18:25.57 | dembug | just lots of _llseek |
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| 18:26.27 | IRC-Monkey | is there an equivalent to Norton Ghost or similar tools in Debian? |
| 18:26.27 | pickcoder | if you can pinpoint the problem, you may be able to request a patch |
| 18:26.27 | dembug | thanks pickcoder i will try that |
| 18:26.27 | wols_ | IRC-Monkey: g4h aka ghost for unix |
| 18:26.28 | dembug | pickcoder really? :> |
| 18:26.28 | dembug | sweet ;) |
| 18:26.38 | dembug | heres basically what the problem was: |
| 18:26.39 | dembug | 534474752 |
| 18:26.40 | dembug | woops |
| 18:26.40 | dembug | :D |
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| 18:26.41 | pickcoder | dembug: from your software vendor.. not the libc6 devs |
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| 18:26.48 | pickcoder | dembug: from your software vendor.. not the libc6 devs |
| 18:26.54 | dembug | not happening |
| 18:27.02 | pickcoder | chroot is your only option |
| 18:27.08 | dembug | our software vendor is lucasarts |
| 18:27.19 | wols_ | dembug: this is a game server? |
| 18:27.24 | dembug | yessir |
| 18:27.28 | pickcoder | heh |
| 18:27.28 | wols_ | and you call it "production machine" and don't want a chroot? |
| 18:27.32 | wols_ | it must be sunday |
| 18:27.33 | dembug | :> |
| 18:27.40 | dembug | It is a production machine ;< |
| 18:27.43 | IRC-Monkey | thanks... and in case of disk crashes, what fs is easier to restore parts of? ext3 or xfs? |
| 18:27.58 | earthian | IRC-Monkey, ext2 |
| 18:28.10 | dembug | anyway I provide a few guys Game-servers |
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| 18:28.36 | wols_ | again: what version of libc6 do you need? |
| 18:28.44 | dembug | The problem is basically they want to run an older version of jk2 (v1.02) i know this is fixed in jk2 (v1.04) but these gamer whores just...can't deal with 1.04 sigh |
| 18:28.49 | dembug | right easy answer |
| 18:28.52 | wols_ | and what version exactly does the server request? |
| 18:29.33 | dembug | i went from libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa Lags |
| 18:29.41 | dembug | to a libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 18:29.50 | dembug | The problem was we run 2 gameserver types here on one machine |
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| 18:30.39 | dembug | Software vendor decides to update their software, including net/threading functions. It is buggy, it is compiled against an incompatible version of glibc, 2 errors/bugs causing it to be unplayable, valve confirms as a library issue, so we goto 2.3.6.ds1 |
| 18:31.08 | wols_ | dembug: I am a moron. use LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 18:31.12 | dembug | heh |
| 18:31.13 | dembug | Yeah :> |
| 18:31.16 | dembug | I was considering exporting |
| 18:31.22 | dembug | that'd be sweet ;> |
| 18:31.29 | wols_ | begs the question: why did you think of it first? |
| 18:31.36 | dembug | why didn't I? |
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| 18:32.03 | wols_ | yes |
| 18:32.08 | dembug | I had :> |
| 18:32.21 | wols_ | and why did you dismiss it? |
| 18:32.24 | dembug | Just wasn't sure how to do it with libc6 |
| 18:32.32 | dembug | basically, because i suck :) |
| 18:32.55 | wols_ | download the old vresion, extract it to its own directory and use it |
| 18:33.14 | dembug | oki |
| 18:33.23 | dembug | so i just set the library path to where the libc6.so and .a are located |
| 18:33.28 | dembug | making sense :) |
| 18:33.40 | dembug | thankyou SO much if this works chap |
| 18:34.00 | IRC-Monkey | one last question... Skype for Linux is closed source... is there any open equivalent useful, and good for Debian? |
| 18:34.23 | enouf | wols_: possible he needs to upgrade gcc also, for use with newer libc6 ? |
| 18:34.32 | wols_ | there are no other clients for the skype network than skype itself |
| 18:34.36 | MetalWolf | Hi, I just bought a new motherboard and attempted to install debian from the net install CD. However, it does not pick up my hard drive. I had a look on the drivers cd that came with the motherboard and found that theres an included linux driver. Is there anyway to include this driver? |
| 18:34.48 | MetalWolf | in the installer |
| 18:34.52 | wols_ | enouf: he runs etch. he already has a newer gcc lib |
| 18:35.00 | enouf | wols_: oh .. gotcha |
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| 18:35.08 | wols_ | MetalWolf: no and you should not use that driver |
| 18:35.09 | earthian | IRC-Monkey, there are but these will be not compatible with skype if that answers to your question.. |
| 18:35.17 | wols_ | MetalWolf: what version of debian? |
| 18:35.21 | dembug | :> |
| 18:35.39 | enouf | MetalWolf: grab daily image of RC2 |
| 18:35.41 | dembug | <MetalWolf> Hi, I just bought a new motherboard and attempted to install debian from the net install CD. However, it does not pick up my hard drive. <--- eek |
| 18:35.41 | MetalWolf | 3.1r5 the i386 one |
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| 18:35.45 | enouf | !yoday |
| 18:35.48 | enouf | !today |
| 18:35.48 | dpkg | As of March 19, 2007 - The Debian Installer team is proud to announce the second release candidate (RC2) of the installer for Debian GNU/Linux Etch. See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070319 for details .. also keep your eye on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 18:36.02 | dembug | MetalWolf: might be worth trying a native mode if its available in the bios if your new to debian |
| 18:36.03 | enouf | MetalWolf: any reason Sarge? |
| 18:36.17 | IRC-Monkey | no, I mean just voIP systems with call-normal-phones function |
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| 18:36.26 | MetalWolf | that appeared to be the latest one enouf... |
| 18:36.27 | wols_ | MetalWolf: eithre use etch as suggested by enouf or a kmuto installer |
| 18:36.31 | wols_ | !tell MetalWolf about kmuto |
| 18:36.33 | dembug | hmm its still segment faulting wols_ |
| 18:36.37 | dembug | can i show you my pastebin |
| 18:36.51 | dembug | i think maybe i did it wrong! |
| 18:36.52 | enouf | IRC-Monkey: asl on ##linux perhaps for various softwares .. i personally don;t know which ones have debs or are in the archives |
| 18:36.53 | wols_ | dembug: won#t help me or us. we don't know anything about jk2 |
| 18:36.57 | enouf | erm repos |
| 18:37.00 | MetalWolf | dembug : I thought about that too... its what I did with my other machine but you can't set anything on its bios |
| 18:37.01 | dembug | ahh right :< |
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| 18:37.03 | enouf | s/asl/ask |
| 18:37.09 | MetalWolf | but thanks I'll give those alternative installers a go. |
| 18:37.13 | dembug | MetalWolf aww shucks :< |
| 18:37.20 | dembug | MetalWolf aye try the 2.6.19-rc3 backport |
| 18:37.27 | dembug | it's... very nice actually , considering the bugs ;p |
| 18:37.38 | wols_ | dembug: kmuto is by now at 2.6.20 |
| 18:37.38 | enouf | MetalWolf: if not a production server ,..*cough .. use Etch RC2 ;-) |
| 18:37.47 | dembug | mmm fair game :> |
| 18:37.56 | dembug | I installed .19-rc3 before etch looked ready |
| 18:37.57 | dembug | ;> |
| 18:37.59 | dembug | "ready" |
| 18:38.01 | enouf | :-) .. *cough cough |
| 18:38.05 | wols_ | dembug: does it say where it segfaults or anything? |
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| 18:38.19 | dembug | Hunk_Clear: reset the hunk ok |
| 18:38.19 | dembug | Segmentation fault |
| 18:38.21 | dembug | i can strace it |
| 18:38.27 | dembug | but just lots of _llseek |
| 18:38.28 | wols_ | kmuto is a installer for sarge using the latest kernel available from kernel.org at the time |
| 18:38.32 | wols_ | which right now is 2.6.20 |
| 18:38.53 | dembug | I think i am exporting the library wrong :> |
| 18:38.59 | enouf | wols_: or whatever one he decides to build ;-) |
| 18:39.20 | MetalWolf | thanks guys I'll give these disks ago |
| 18:39.47 | dembug | omfg this really isn't my day.. |
| 18:39.49 | dembug | Pastebin is down |
| 18:39.54 | dembug | Query failure: Can't open file: 'pastebin.MYI'. (errno: 145) |
| 18:39.56 | dembug | loll :) |
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| 18:40.09 | wols_ | paste2.org is not |
| 18:40.10 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 18:40.11 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 18:40.13 | dembug | ta |
| 18:40.17 | IRC-Monkey | thanks for everything guys, have a nice Debian eXPerience :-D |
| 18:40.31 | dembug | we will :> |
| 18:40.36 | dembug | debian is much better than ubuntu. :> |
| 18:41.10 | IRC-Monkey | I agree. Bye bye |
| 18:41.19 | earthian | o/ |
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| 18:41.32 | enouf | IRC-Monkey: here's one for your eXPerience --> http://goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 18:41.41 | dembug | http://paste2.org/p/2077 |
| 18:41.46 | enouf | !customer |
| 18:41.47 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 18:41.50 | dembug | excellent wols_ this is so much simpler than the pastebin |
| 18:41.52 | xand | what do these errors mean? |
| 18:41.54 | xand | Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) |
| 18:41.54 | earthian | lol |
| 18:41.59 | MetalWolf | ubuntu isn't bad, I quite like it for somethings |
| 18:42.09 | wols_ | what is the "exit" for? |
| 18:42.11 | frankr | Is there a tutorial somewhere for fdisking/formatting a new hd? |
| 18:42.17 | dembug | ahh crap |
| 18:42.25 | dembug | I need to start the app before i exit |
| 18:42.30 | wols_ | xand: that's not the whole error? |
| 18:42.34 | xand | yes it is |
| 18:42.35 | dembug | i was ./ my file and then trying to start the game. |
| 18:42.35 | DocPlatypus | frankr: it shouldn't be that hard, man fdisk |
| 18:42.36 | dembug | sorry :> |
| 18:42.55 | xand | er |
| 18:42.57 | wols_ | frankr: fdisk it, mkfs the partiton(s) you made, edit your /etc/fstab. done |
| 18:43.01 | enouf | xand: trey apt-get update ? |
| 18:43.09 | dembug | aww :< it still segfaults. |
| 18:43.12 | xand | that's what I was doing |
| 18:43.15 | dembug | Well I'm doing everything else correct right? |
| 18:43.19 | frankr | yeah only problem is I haven't used fdisk in forever x_x |
| 18:43.26 | enouf | xand: try again .. use a different mirror |
| 18:43.27 | wols_ | dembug: what is in /home/server1/jk? |
| 18:43.37 | xand | enouf: I did and it worked... but still |
| 18:43.38 | wols_ | frankr: use cfdisk |
| 18:43.42 | hark | mirror quirks |
| 18:43.43 | dembug | libc6.so libc6.a jk2ded (executable game binary) |
| 18:43.48 | enouf | xand: burpage in the system |
| 18:43.59 | enouf | nothing to worry about .. happens all the time |
| 18:44.00 | wols_ | dembug: libc6 has a few mor libs inside |
| 18:44.05 | dembug | Please know that the problem definately orientated around the library and I'm not a complete idiot :D |
| 18:44.08 | dembug | ohhhh really wols_?! |
| 18:44.10 | wols_ | the libc6 package that is |
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| 18:44.27 | dembug | I am not very good with my compiler/executable compiler tricks |
| 18:44.36 | dembug | Is there a flag i can set like in BSD? |
| 18:44.37 | xand | enouf: yes, it annoys me. |
| 18:44.50 | dembug | sorry to be a pain :> |
| 18:44.51 | wols_ | dembug: a ton more: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=libc6&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 18:45.07 | dembug | wow ;> |
| 18:45.10 | wols_ | dembug: you are talking closed source and a compiler. are you a little confused? |
| 18:45.17 | enouf | xand: me too .. but what can I do ;-) |
| 18:45.19 | dembug | I am very confused tbh :D |
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| 18:45.32 | wad | Okay, I installed samba and cups, and plugged in two printers to my new debian server, but I don't think debian knows about my printers yet. How to I tell debian about my printers? |
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| 18:45.39 | dembug | I know i need to gcc-bin it or something with a flag like --uselib lib/myoldlibcompatiblelibc6.so |
| 18:45.42 | dembug | thats what I'm assuming |
| 18:45.55 | wols_ | wad: connect to localhost:631 and tell cups about them |
| 18:46.04 | wad | I did that. |
| 18:46.09 | wols_ | dembug: where are you compiling anything? |
| 18:46.15 | dembug | no |
| 18:46.16 | wad | wols_: Through the CUPS web page. |
| 18:46.21 | dembug | i just want to execute witht he correct libc6 |
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| 18:46.22 | dembug | honest :D |
| 18:46.26 | wad | But when I get to the device choosing part, the list is empty. |
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| 18:46.30 | dembug | I'm just doing something wrong here i think :D |
| 18:46.34 | wols_ | dembug: then why are you talking about gcc? |
| 18:46.36 | dembug | mainly because I have no clue how to fix it :> |
| 18:46.48 | dembug | sorry :( |
| 18:46.56 | wols_ | dembug: you set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to whateevr dir you want, then run your jk2 server. that's it |
| 18:47.10 | dembug | ahh right |
| 18:47.11 | dembug | bugger :D |
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| 18:47.15 | dembug | I wonder why it didnt work |
| 18:47.19 | dembug | well dude |
| 18:47.21 | dembug | Thanks anyway ;) |
| 18:47.23 | dembug | marvelous help |
| 18:47.25 | wols_ | cause you lack a ton of shit |
| 18:47.31 | wols_ | cause you didn't isntall the old libc6 right |
| 18:47.35 | dembug | heh |
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| 18:47.38 | dembug | really ;> |
| 18:47.42 | dembug | dist-upgrade did that ;> |
| 18:47.44 | Kent767 | is there a KDE front end that operates through apt-get ? |
| 18:47.50 | Fly-man- | How do I find out why I get all kinds of strange chars when I open up MC |
| 18:48.10 | Kent767 | i'm setting up this laptop for a computer illiterate person and i'd prefer he know how to install software without having to use apt-get or aptitude |
| 18:48.12 | enouf | Kent767: there's Kpackage manager |
| 18:48.22 | dembug | well thanks again mr wols_ |
| 18:48.25 | dembug | I for one hope your right ;D |
| 18:48.30 | wols_ | dembug: since I can't tell if you are sarcastic or not, I better stop now |
| 18:48.37 | dembug | hahah |
| 18:48.40 | dembug | No |
| 18:48.43 | dembug | I really am thankful |
| 18:48.46 | dembug | appreciated chap :) |
| 18:48.48 | enouf | Kent767: but really .. best to learn the ins and outs of apt-get, and maybe even aptitude |
| 18:49.01 | enouf | oh |
| 18:49.05 | dembug | wish me luck :) I will go fiddle. |
| 18:49.06 | wols_ | Kent767: synaptic? |
| 18:49.08 | dembug | take care now :) |
| 18:49.25 | wols_ | dembug: dpkg manpage could be invaluable for you |
| 18:49.32 | dembug | ok wols_ |
| 18:49.33 | dembug | ty :) |
| 18:49.39 | wols_ | things like --root IIRC |
| 18:49.54 | enouf | wols_: synaptic and kpackage manager are both pigs .. best to use the nicer looking one :-) (for his purposes) |
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| 18:50.00 | Kent767 | yeah i agree about the apt-get stuff thats how i innstalled everything on it so far (net install) |
| 18:50.08 | wols_ | enouf: of course they are pigs. but graphical pigs |
| 18:50.14 | Kent767 | but this guy wants to run linux and he can barely handle a windows box :-p |
| 18:50.15 | enouf | indeed .. heh |
| 18:50.27 | Fly-man- | !help |
| 18:50.35 | Kent767 | so kpackage it is? :-p |
| 18:50.37 | enouf | Kent767: expect a broken machine real soon .. sounds like a winluser |
| 18:50.47 | Kent767 | likely :-p |
| 18:50.54 | Kent767 | but i have fun learning myself |
| 18:51.10 | Kent767 | and fixing his laptop could be quite a learning experience for me |
| 18:51.11 | Fly-man- | where can i find info about charpages ? |
| 18:51.14 | enouf | Kent767: it's pretty and you can see the description and what they do and jump around and shit, and see the depends and crap ;-) |
| 18:51.22 | Kent767 | :) |
| 18:51.33 | enouf | !charmap |
| 18:51.36 | wols_ | Fly-man-: this is not DOS/WIndosw. such things doN#t really exist |
| 18:51.42 | wols_ | !tell Fly-man- about locales |
| 18:51.54 | enouf | more apropo |
| 18:52.06 | Fly-man- | wols_> will the local also make MC display strange chars ? |
| 18:52.12 | enouf | !tell Fly-man- -about keymap |
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| 18:52.19 | nn-ds | ls |
| 18:52.22 | nn-ds | oups |
| 18:52.26 | wols_ | Fly-man-: that depends on your fonts |
| 18:52.28 | enouf | whoops |
| 18:52.36 | nn-ds | hi |
| 18:52.37 | enouf | nn-ds: ^^^ |
| 18:52.49 | enouf | not soups :-P |
| 18:53.00 | Fly-man- | wols_> Netinstalled Etch |
| 18:53.05 | Fly-man- | just installed mc |
| 18:53.20 | enouf | Fly-man-: you may need some font pkgs |
| 18:53.43 | nn-ds | my keyboard repeat rait =0 in x11 how do i fix this |
| 18:53.50 | enouf | that's not my field .. can't stand such nonsense |
| 18:54.11 | enouf | nn-ds: using a DE like gnome or kde ? |
| 18:54.13 | wols_ | !fix nn-ds |
| 18:54.20 | nn-ds | wmaker |
| 18:55.31 | enouf | nn-ds: erm .. xset maybe? xkbd maybe .. haven't looked in a while |
| 18:55.38 | omg0 | I typed the command: cat /etc/apt/apt.conf and got "cat: /etc/apt/apt.conf: No such file or directory" I am planning to install sun java |
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| 18:56.30 | wols_ | omg0: why did you do that? what for? |
| 18:56.53 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.14 | enouf | hrm .. my keyrate is wicked fast .. but there's no setting in xorg.conf that I can see for that |
| 18:57.40 | nn-ds | confusing |
| 18:58.00 | enouf | nn-ds: see you wmaker manual perhaps |
| 18:58.09 | wols_ | wmaker-conf too |
| 18:58.14 | nn-ds | how do i use xset xkbd |
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| 18:58.25 | enouf | try the wmaker stuff 1st |
| 18:58.45 | zrin | i've configured racoon for ipsec VPN connection - shouldn't there be an interface and route for the destination network? ... I've also followed howto for setkey configuration, but there is no attempt to establish connection (?) |
| 18:59.17 | enouf | nn-ds: in man xset .. see the 'r' option |
| 18:59.34 | nn-ds | that fixed it thanks |
| 18:59.42 | nn-ds | xset r on |
| 18:59.42 | omg0 | I did it because the page I was reading says that's one of the things I have to check to see if I am configured to recieve the sun packages because I have been getting package not found when I did apt get for them |
| 18:59.50 | nn-ds | did the trick |
| 18:59.52 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 18:59.55 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:00.06 | wols_ | omg0: you were told already what to do to fix that. several times I think |
| 19:00.26 | wols_ | " the java-package package (needs a contrib source)," |
| 19:00.26 | omg0 | it suggested I also check the sources list. cat /etc/apt/sources.list return this "#deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" |
| 19:00.31 | wols_ | !tell omg0 about contrib |
| 19:01.24 | enouf | !tell omg0 about non-free |
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| 19:01.27 | dembug | heh |
| 19:01.30 | dembug | wols_ i fixed it |
| 19:02.12 | dembug | scp -rp root@myoldboxthatworks:/lib/libc* /home/server1/jk2/ ; export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/server1/jk2 ;D |
| 19:02.16 | dembug | thought you should know |
| 19:02.34 | dembug | thankyou SO much chap, I REALLY am not being sarcy :) I am dyslexic and it is very helpful to have someone who is a bit more intelligent step through it with me ;) |
| 19:02.43 | enouf | !find java-package sarge |
| 19:03.07 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'java-package' returned no results. |
| 19:03.24 | dembug | well i know you still thinking im pulling your leg i'm not. Thankyou so much. This problem was bugging me. |
| 19:04.03 | wols_ | np |
| 19:04.20 | enouf | !find java-package stable |
| 19:04.22 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 19:04.30 | enouf | omg0: ^^^ |
| 19:04.33 | wols_ | huh? |
| 19:04.43 | wols_ | why didn't "sarge" work? |
| 19:04.55 | enouf | wols_: same reason testing doesn't ;-) |
| 19:04.57 | wad | I'm a bit confused... trying to set up printers under CUPS. The command "lpinfo -v" results in: "lpinfo: Unknown". Are there some packages I'm supposed to add? All I've done is plugged the printers in. (one paralled printer, one USB printer) |
| 19:05.16 | wad | s/paralled/parallel/ |
| 19:05.33 | wad | Is my system messed up somehow? |
| 19:06.23 | wols_ | something else imho. sometimes you say you only plugged them in, sometimes you say you configured them via localhost:631 already |
| 19:06.27 | wols_ | what is it? |
| 19:06.42 | enouf | wols_: er .. dunno .. she's weird .. I noticed that all the time when using find .. sometimes etch or testing works .. like when doing a why is <pkg> not in <testing/etch> |
| 19:06.50 | wad | wols_: I tried to configure them via 631. The device list was empty. |
| 19:07.01 | wols_ | enouf: that is cause't its predefined |
| 19:07.08 | wols_ | wad: lsusb |
| 19:07.19 | wad | Aha! |
| 19:07.21 | enouf | wols_: as long as I know "what" is predefined .. I'll stick with that ;-) |
| 19:07.21 | wad | It sees one! |
| 19:07.29 | wols_ | wad: there is some usb print module afaik |
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| 19:07.39 | wad | ah |
| 19:08.00 | enouf | wad: check dmesg too if you like for usb info |
| 19:08.09 | wad | Okay. |
| 19:08.13 | wad | How about the parallel printer? |
| 19:08.22 | wad | At some point, shouldn't I install a printer driver? |
| 19:08.27 | wols_ | wad: trickier since parport is kinda old |
| 19:08.33 | wad | It's an HP Laserjet 5L |
| 19:08.38 | wad | Also a kinda old printer. ;) |
| 19:08.43 | wols_ | I usually do a "cat <nonsense text file> > /dev/lp0 |
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| 19:08.51 | omg0 | wols, enouf: you keep putting these dpkg and I keep reading and it keep telling me more and more stuff to do. |
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| 19:09.07 | wols_ | if the printer does something, it know it's connected and the kernel can access it |
| 19:09.11 | wad | cool |
| 19:09.14 | enouf | omg0: all you need is a contrib in your sources.list |
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| 19:09.34 | wols_ | omg0: add contrib to your sources. apt-get update,install java package |
| 19:09.35 | wad | Hey, it prints! |
| 19:09.41 | wad | I did "date > /dev/lp0" |
| 19:09.50 | wols_ | wad: yes, stuff like that |
| 19:09.54 | enouf | omg0: in /etc/apt/sources.list make it look like this-> deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 19:10.27 | wols_ | omg0: that stuff is very basicy debian admin stuff and you're expected to know about this kind of thing |
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| 19:10.33 | wols_ | !tell omg0 about grounding |
| 19:10.51 | enouf | omg0: as root, sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list to edit it .. Save the changes, close file, and apt-get update && apt-get install java-package |
| 19:11.23 | enouf | omg0: you shouldn't be using pinning, nor any apt.conf, or apt.conf.d files |
| 19:11.36 | enouf | omg0: for this purpose anyways |
| 19:11.36 | lfs | I am trying to install Debian using USB memory stick, when I do the command zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb I get unexpected end of file |
| 19:11.40 | Fly-man- | why do I get these strange a with a ^ on it ?? |
| 19:11.49 | enouf | Fly-man-: Ctrl key |
| 19:11.56 | enouf | oh .. nm |
| 19:12.03 | krazykit | Fly-man-, Â? |
| 19:12.06 | Fly-man- | jupz |
| 19:12.10 | Fly-man- | when I start MC |
| 19:12.15 | Fly-man- | tried to change the locale |
| 19:12.19 | Fly-man- | but didn't work :( |
| 19:12.29 | krazykit | tried a different font? |
| 19:12.35 | enouf | curses/ncurses fonts? |
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| 19:13.07 | Fly-man- | krazykit, text mode ? |
| 19:13.11 | Fly-man- | how do I change that ? |
| 19:13.30 | wols_ | Fly-man-: console-fonts |
| 19:13.41 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.44 | lfs | When do you get the ^? probably end of line marker |
| 19:13.45 | Fly-man- | dpkg-reconfigure console fonts ? |
| 19:14.09 | enouf | lfs: seen http://d-i.pascal.at/ ? |
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| 19:14.40 | lfs | Anyone know the answer to my question? |
| 19:14.49 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure console-data and maybe console-setup |
| 19:14.58 | enouf | yup |
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| 19:15.18 | wols_ | lfs: sounds like a broken gz file |
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| 19:15.30 | lfs | I dont think so |
| 19:15.31 | enouf | Fly-man-: I have these choices --> console-common console-data console-tools |
| 19:15.43 | lfs | Actually that might be right |
| 19:15.44 | wols_ | lfs: can you gunzip it? |
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| 19:16.06 | enouf | hrm .. wonder what dr configure-debian does :-P |
| 19:16.23 | lfs | IS there an text mode xchat tool in Knoppix? |
| 19:17.00 | pingouin | irssi ? ;) |
| 19:17.02 | mfrisch | lfs: use aptitude and install one ;-) |
| 19:17.04 | lfs | I only have one internet connection here and on the machine that I am trying to install Debian I can only get KNoppix diskto work |
| 19:17.08 | soapee01 | hello. I'm looking at upgrading my pc, and hoping to get some anecdotal evidence (about chipsets). I want an AM2 board, and I'm looking at the nforce500 series. I've had problems with nforce4 (Apic and acpi). Has anyone had good success (with Etch) on an nforce500 series? Should I consider another chipset altogether? |
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| 19:17.33 | lfs | irssi is text mode on Knoppix? |
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| 19:18.00 | wols_ | lfs: ask #knoppix |
| 19:18.00 | mfrisch | soapee01: nvidia make ok graphics and worse bridges |
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| 19:18.00 | wols_ | but irssi is always text mode |
| 19:18.06 | pingouin | :) |
| 19:18.09 | lfs | ircII is not on Knoppix |
| 19:18.10 | morvok | does anyone know of complications if I turn back the stock 'sarge' kernel 2.4.27 back to 2.4.26? |
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| 19:18.31 | lfs | Y should there be consequences? |
| 19:18.31 | wols_ | soapee01: it will work |
| 19:18.31 | pingouin | lfs: build it ;) |
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| 19:18.39 | bsmntbombdood | I'm trying to install auctex with apt-get, i get these errors: http://pastebin.ca/408324 . what should I do? |
| 19:18.48 | lfs | BUild what? |
| 19:18.53 | wols_ | morvok: should work fine but why? |
| 19:19.22 | morvok | wols_ OpenMosix stable build is for kernel 2.4.26 |
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| 19:19.28 | mfrisch | bsmntbombdood: whats on your source list? |
| 19:19.50 | bsmntbombdood | mfrisch: what do you mean? |
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| 19:20.26 | wols_ | bsmntbombdood: why do you have your libc in /usr/lib? |
| 19:20.36 | bsmntbombdood | I don't know |
| 19:20.54 | enouf | hehe .. wow .. now that's awesome onfigure-debian -l |
| 19:21.01 | mfrisch | bsmntbombdood: did you do an upgrade or something |
| 19:21.04 | bsmntbombdood | yeah |
| 19:21.04 | enouf | erm --> configure-debian -l |
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| 19:21.28 | wols_ | enouf: bash: configure-debian: command not found |
| 19:21.29 | mfrisch | bsmntbombdood: did you do a dist-upgrade or just upgrade? |
| 19:21.33 | wad | Aha, printconf seems like the package I need. |
| 19:21.38 | bsmntbombdood | just updgrade |
| 19:21.42 | omg0 | when I run the run as root comand and put sensible-editor in there the editor doesn't come up. I already had gedit open. Should that have mattered |
| 19:21.44 | enouf | wols_: as root .. I'm on etch/unstable |
| 19:21.48 | wols_ | bsmntbombdood: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 19:21.50 | wols_ | what version |
| 19:22.04 | bsmntbombdood | ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:22.04 | enouf | wols_: version of what? |
| 19:22.08 | enouf | oh |
| 19:22.11 | wols_ | enouf: I am root and also on sid (full sid) |
| 19:22.13 | mfrisch | libc6-amd64: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.3.6-7 is to be |
| 19:22.23 | morvok | wols_: or do you know of another way I can create a single-system image (stable) with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:22.23 | mfrisch | wols libc6-amd64: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.3.6-7 is to be |
| 19:22.24 | enouf | wols_: Sarge? |
| 19:22.39 | wols_ | morvok: no, sorry |
| 19:22.48 | wols_ | enouf: no just sid. no etch or sarge around |
| 19:22.48 | omg0 | also when I sudo root is it the same as logging in as root |
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| 19:23.06 | enouf | !find configure-debian stable |
| 19:23.08 | wols_ | omg0: makes no sense. you can't rally run "sudo root" |
| 19:23.14 | morvok | wols_: but there shouldn't be any complications turning back the kernel in sarge by 1 point right? |
| 19:23.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'configure-debian' (1): (/usr/sbin/configure-debian, /usr/lib/menu/configure-debian, /usr/share/applications/configure-debian.desktop) in admin/configure-debian. |
| 19:23.17 | enouf | !find configure-debian sid |
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| 19:23.22 | h3sp4wn | omg0: sudo -i (is probably what you want) |
| 19:23.24 | omg0 | wols_: I mean su root |
| 19:23.27 | wols_ | morvok: no there shouldn't and won't be |
| 19:23.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'configure-debian' (2 of 3): (/usr/sbin/configure-debian, /usr/share/menu/configure-debian, /usr/share/applications/configure-debian.desktop) in admin/configure-debian ;; (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/configure-debian.html, /usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/bilder/betrieb/configure-debian.png) in non-free/doc/dahb-html. |
| 19:23.39 | morvok | wols_: perfect. thank you. |
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| 19:24.17 | morvok | wols_: I'll try it on a large node first :) just in case. |
| 19:24.27 | bsmntbombdood | How can I fix it? |
| 19:24.32 | enouf | heh .. I thought you initially said something about suid , not sid .. doh |
| 19:24.59 | mfrisch | bsmntbombdood: how did you do your upgrade? |
| 19:25.15 | wols_ | bsmntbombdood: by finding out where or what put libc into /usr/lib and checking if there is libc.so.6 in /lib |
| 19:25.24 | bsmntbombdood | I don't remember it was a couple days ago |
| 19:25.32 | wols_ | bsmntbombdood: what did you use to install your system? what version of debian? |
| 19:25.33 | mfrisch | bsmntbombdood: how did you install...old amd cd's are only good for frisbees |
| 19:25.44 | bsmntbombdood | It's not amd |
| 19:25.52 | wols_ | bsmntbombdood: what are amd CDs? |
| 19:25.59 | mfrisch | bsmntbombdood: it is in your pastebin |
| 19:26.02 | bsmntbombdood | I know |
| 19:26.12 | bsmntbombdood | But I'm not running on amd |
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| 19:26.22 | mfrisch | bsmntbombdood: well you cant switch in the middle |
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| 19:26.45 | bsmntbombdood | mfrisch: huh? |
| 19:26.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | In rcconf, I see an app called resmgr... I looked at man, but it didn't provide any useful info. What is it, and is it safe to remove? |
| 19:26.49 | bsmntbombdood | there is a /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 19:27.26 | mfrisch | bsmntbombdood: make a pastebin with YOUR computers results... |
| 19:27.32 | bsmntbombdood | mfrisch: I did |
| 19:27.49 | mfrisch | bsmntbombdood: because if you don't want amd you got it, |
| 19:28.02 | wols_ | bsmntbombdood: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libc.so.6 |
| 19:28.05 | xand | hello wookies! |
| 19:28.24 | bsmntbombdood | wols_: dpkg: /usr/lib/libc.so.6 not found. |
| 19:28.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello? :) |
| 19:28.33 | wols_ | mfrisch: you do know that intel cpus also use AMD64? |
| 19:28.50 | wols_ | bsmntbombdood: delete the file then, try apt-get -f install again |
| 19:29.48 | enouf | hola wanker |
| 19:29.49 | mfrisch | wols_: his pastebin: libc6-amd64: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.3.6-7 is to be installed |
| 19:30.08 | enouf | er wonker |
| 19:30.10 | bsmntbombdood | I have no idea why it's install 64 bit libs... |
| 19:30.16 | bsmntbombdood | It's a 32 bit intel proc |
| 19:30.36 | bsmntbombdood | but now apt-get -f install didn't fail |
| 19:30.38 | mfrisch | wols_: you can't use amd-64 and i386 at the same time |
| 19:30.40 | wols_ | bsmntbombdood: then your sources.list is wrong somehow. paste it |
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| 19:30.58 | wols_ | mfrisch: you can. if you started with amd64 |
| 19:31.02 | enouf | my 32bit etch install had a lib64 dir .. loaded with stuff ;-) |
| 19:31.08 | enouf | has* |
| 19:31.08 | bsmntbombdood | sources.list: http://pastebin.ca/408343 |
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| 19:31.13 | mfrisch | wols_: well it takes talent. |
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| 19:31.34 | wols_ | enouf: 64bit cpu? |
| 19:31.40 | mfrisch | bsmntbombdood: what installer are you using? |
| 19:31.49 | bsmntbombdood | apt-get? |
| 19:32.03 | mfrisch | bsmntbombdood: what cd iso did you use! |
| 19:32.06 | wols_ | bsmntbombdood: what CD you used for installing |
| 19:32.09 | bsmntbombdood | a netisnt one |
| 19:32.15 | wols_ | bsmntbombdood: WHICH one? |
| 19:32.18 | enouf | well ... not that much really |
| 19:32.20 | bsmntbombdood | it's not a new install |
| 19:32.29 | bsmntbombdood | that was like a year ago |
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| 19:32.35 | enouf | wols_: no .. an old p2 ;-P |
| 19:32.49 | wols_ | enouf: where did it get the 64bit crud then? |
| 19:32.53 | enouf | wols_: but there ain;t much in there .. half are symlinks anyways |
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| 19:33.07 | wols_ | hmm. I have it too |
| 19:33.13 | wols_ | etch does weird stupid things |
| 19:33.17 | enouf | wols_: standard etch install back in Nov (installed for testing purposes only) |
| 19:33.34 | wols_ | debian is fucked up in its 64bit ness |
| 19:33.45 | enouf | wols_: that's not the install I'm always running .. fwiw |
| 19:33.49 | enouf | this is |
| 19:33.50 | wols_ | now I know why compiling libc6 drags in 64bit shit |
| 19:33.53 | wols_ | to produce this crap |
| 19:33.59 | enouf | heh |
| 19:34.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | In rcconf, I see an app called resmgr... I looked at man, but it didn't provide any useful info. What is it, and is it safe to remove? |
| 19:34.38 | wols_ | seriously, dds should really step back and thing a bit |
| 19:34.54 | wols_ | *think |
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| 19:35.03 | mfrisch | wols_: actually if you used the iso that he did it would produce that error anyways..even if you wanted amd-64 |
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| 19:38.53 | CJLucas | E: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
| 19:39.00 | CJLucas | does anyone know any alternatives? |
| 19:39.36 | harpette | isn't dpkg-query -S <filename> the way to locate which pkg the file belongs to? |
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| 19:39.50 | wols_ | CJLucas: it's in non-free |
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| 19:39.56 | wols_ | unrar-nonfree afaik |
| 19:40.00 | CJLucas | ah thanks |
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| 19:40.06 | wols_ | harpette: DPKG -S |
| 19:40.10 | wols_ | *dpkg |
| 19:40.36 | CJLucas | thanks wols_ |
| 19:41.07 | harpette | wols_: dpkg -S /usr/bin/vim replies "not found" |
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| 19:41.25 | Kronuz | hey, if I use mdadm to create a RAID1, where should I put the swap? |
| 19:41.40 | harpette | wols_: whereas "which vim" replies /usr/bin/vim |
| 19:42.12 | mfrisch | Kronuz: you can put a lvm on top of the raid. then split it up how you want you want /boot seperate |
| 19:42.32 | mfrisch | harpette: dpkg -L vim|less |
| 19:42.36 | Kronuz | mfrisch: hmm.. how would that be done? |
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| 19:42.54 | harpette | mfrisch: that's when i know the pkg name |
| 19:43.17 | mfrisch | harpette: I though you were talking about vim. |
| 19:43.29 | Kronuz | it'll be the sda, and sdb devices and then lvm and then the RAID inside the lvm? |
| 19:43.33 | Kronuz | or what o_O? |
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| 19:43.50 | mfrisch | Kronuz: that is part of the new etch installers...by hand its "fun" |
| 19:44.00 | Kronuz | and the raid alongside the RAIDs in the LVM too.. |
| 19:44.13 | wols_ | harpette: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2006-09-19 11:02 /usr/bin/vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim |
| 19:44.14 | harpette | interesting: dpkg -S /usr/bin/slocate replies: "slocate", whereas the search for vim fails |
| 19:44.15 | mfrisch | Kronuz: on top of |
| 19:44.20 | Kronuz | mfrisch: I'll have to do it by hand, I wouldn't want to have to install aeverything again :S |
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| 19:44.37 | mfrisch | Kronuz: what is on the box. |
| 19:44.46 | wols_ | harpette: vim is created dynamically by a script me thinks |
| 19:44.48 | Kronuz | mfrisch: plenty |
| 19:44.55 | harpette | wols_: ah |
| 19:45.00 | Kronuz | it was hard to get it working like I want |
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| 19:45.07 | mfrisch | Kronuz: better ? whats on the raid? |
| 19:45.20 | Kronuz | what do you mean? |
| 19:45.25 | Kronuz | I'm using FakeRAID right now |
| 19:45.33 | mfrisch | Kronuz: what? |
| 19:45.37 | Kronuz | and I have two RAID0 |
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| 19:45.58 | Kronuz | but I want to switch to regular md software raids and RAID1 |
| 19:45.58 | wols_ | Kronuz: no matter what you use fakeraid. you'd know if you paid for real raid :) |
| 19:45.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to make Debian boot faster? I've dumped lots of apps from the init, but it still takes a noticable amount of time. |
| 19:46.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Also, is resmgr safe to remove? What does it do? |
| 19:46.19 | ManuP | Dark_Apostrophe, use init-ng |
| 19:46.19 | mfrisch | wols_: fakeraid? hhaa |
| 19:46.33 | ManuP | Dark_Apostrophe, look initng.org i think |
| 19:46.35 | Kronuz | :'-( |
| 19:46.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | ManuP: Is that hard to set up? |
| 19:46.46 | ManuP | Dark_Apostrophe, it is great, i boot now in 20 sec :) |
| 19:46.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Whoa |
| 19:46.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | I want :) |
| 19:46.55 | ManuP | Dark_Apostrophe, with debian? no, easy |
| 19:47.00 | ManuP | hehe |
| 19:47.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 19:47.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Mind if we talk in a query? |
| 19:47.12 | ManuP | Dark_Apostrophe, use apt-get |
| 19:47.16 | ManuP | no |
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| 19:49.27 | Kronuz | mfrisch: okay, what would the steps be? I'd have to copy my whole system somewhere else, destroy my RAID (my Fake RAID in the BIOS) use mdadm to create the RAID or first create a LVM? |
| 19:50.13 | Kronuz | and how do I create a LVM? I found how to use mdadm to create a RAID1 drive |
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| 19:50.52 | mfrisch | Kronuz: its all in the installer rc1+ in the partioning menu you would create /boot then create md devices over that, then from the raid disk created you would create a lvm on top of that |
| 19:51.20 | mfrisch | Kronuz: lvm has command line tools to create objects |
| 19:51.28 | Kronuz | mfrisch: so the swap would be in the RAID too? |
| 19:51.49 | Kronuz | that sounds like a bad choice (specially for RAID1) |
| 19:52.15 | Kronuz | as if I create a 3GB swap, it'll really be 6GB |
| 19:52.35 | mfrisch | Kronuz: so keep it seperate. |
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| 19:52.53 | mfrisch | Kronuz: what do you need a 3g swap for? |
| 19:52.56 | Kronuz | mfrisch: but how? |
| 19:53.12 | mfrisch | cfdisk? |
| 19:53.14 | Kronuz | mfrisch: well, I don't... but I have 2GB of RAM |
| 19:53.28 | mfrisch | Kronuz: thats overkill |
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| 19:54.15 | mfrisch | Kronuz: I have 1g of ram and no swap at the moment and everything is fine for now. |
| 19:54.38 | Kronuz | I didn't have swap either... I just read that wasn't a good choice |
| 19:55.12 | morvok | Kronuz: space is real cheap for memory instance things 2x ram is good. |
| 19:55.58 | mfrisch | Kronuz: its good to have if you need it. only high load computations...like compiling will even use that much..unless its a super server |
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| 19:56.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone give me a hand with this? |
| 19:56.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | W: GPG error: http://debian.space-based.de experimental Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EB020D4677AFC5B7 |
| 19:56.49 | Kronuz | is JFS faster than ext3? |
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| 19:57.23 | unlink | why do chinese language websites peg my CPU? |
| 19:57.27 | unlink | in iceweasel |
| 19:57.32 | mfrisch | Dark_Apostrophe: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 19:57.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 19:58.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | mfrisch: That didn't get me any closer to a solution |
| 19:59.26 | mfrisch | Dark_Apostrophe: why not? you don't have the key you need to import it with gpg then tell dpkg to use it |
| 20:00.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Which dpkg didn't tell me how to do |
| 20:00.31 | mfrisch | Dark_Apostrophe: should have :-) |
| 20:00.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | But didn't :) |
| 20:01.45 | mfrisch | Dark_Apostrophe: it doesn't affect performance just security...google debian importing keys? |
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| 20:03.12 | Bracki | what do i need to do for m-a to build a module? |
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| 20:03.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | mfrisch: Figured it out. |
| 20:03.44 | mfrisch | Dark_Apostrophe: aah |
| 20:03.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | mfrisch: Now I'm presented with a shiny, new error to substitute the previous. :) |
| 20:04.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Failed to fetch http://debian.space-based.de/debs/dists/experimental/Release Unable to find expected entry main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 20:04.11 | mfrisch | Dark_Apostrophe: you messed it up not figured it out |
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| 20:04.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ah. |
| 20:04.21 | ShakaGoldSaint | hark, it's done fglrx+xgl, it was all about having the right stuff in startxgl.sh :D again, thanks a lot :D |
| 20:04.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I un-mess it up? |
| 20:04.36 | mfrisch | Dark_Apostrophe: use a real mirror? |
| 20:04.38 | Bracki | Will it work w/o a debian/rules etc.? |
| 20:04.44 | ScribbleJ | Hello, I am trying to use NAT with two independent internet connections and my outbound traffic for the second interface is being sent out on the first interface, and therefore going nowhere. Hints? I've already set up two routing tables with ip rule from foo to choose the right one |
| 20:04.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | mfrisch: Only that one has init-ng |
| 20:05.02 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: you've got xgl working? |
| 20:05.06 | ScribbleJ | But that seems to not work - I'm assumign because the from foo address is set by SNAT in the POSTROUTING chain, and therefore not true when being routed. |
| 20:05.15 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, yes :) |
| 20:05.19 | mfrisch | Dark_Apostrophe: aah, maybee the source.list is incorrect or not up? |
| 20:05.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | deb http://debian.space-based.de/debs/ experimental main |
| 20:05.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | deb-src http://debian.space-based.de/debs/ experimental main |
| 20:05.54 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: wow. lots of free time, huh? |
| 20:05.56 | mfrisch | Dark_Apostrophe: mirror not up...broken |
| 20:06.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 20:06.30 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, yep |
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| 20:06.45 | mfrisch | Dark_Apostrophe: thats all I can think of |
| 20:07.27 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: so how's it look like? |
| 20:07.27 | zrin | how can I check why racoon / ipsec does not initiate the vpn connection although there are SA/SP (setkey) entries? |
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| 20:07.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | mfrisch: Ok, thanks anyway. :) |
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| 20:07.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | mfrisch: BTW, you don't happen to know what the initscript resmgr does? |
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| 20:08.08 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: have you tested with glxinfo and friends yet? |
| 20:08.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | The man page is rather blurry about it |
| 20:08.16 | zrin | on setkey racoon outputs "INFO: unsupported PF_KEY message REGISTER" |
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| 20:09.23 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, what do you mean?, glxinfo | grep rendering says 'no' as expected |
| 20:09.30 | x_link | I downloaded a game which is a .tar.gz file, I just extracted it and then I just ran a command to start the game |
| 20:09.51 | x_link | Can I just delete the file, or do I have to remove it in a special way? |
| 20:10.03 | mfrisch | Dark_Apostrophe: all I know is I don't have one ;-) |
| 20:10.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | mfrisch: Ok.. |
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| 20:10.20 | ManuP | Dark_Apostrophe, have to try later then |
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| 20:10.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, ManuP |
| 20:10.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | I the mean time, I'll try figuring out what resmgr is :) |
| 20:10.44 | Guerin | x_link: just delete |
| 20:10.50 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: that means that you don't have direct rendering... |
| 20:11.06 | ManuP | ^^ |
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| 20:12.41 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, oh really? |
| 20:12.42 | lfs | Hello, can you see me now? |
| 20:13.01 | ManuP | lsf, yes |
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| 20:13.27 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: tell me, if you think otherwise |
| 20:13.41 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, that last one was sarcasm :) |
| 20:13.45 | lfs | I have usb stick in port, I did the command cat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb and get unexpected end of file error. |
| 20:14.04 | lfs | the command file boot.img.gz works as advertised. |
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| 20:14.26 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: you got my hopes up back there |
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| 20:14.43 | lfs | boot.img.gz is in knoppix ram |
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| 20:14.53 | x_link | Guerin: Okej, thanks mate! |
| 20:14.57 | Kronuz | how do I add a LVM ? |
| 20:15.15 | ScribbleJ | kay, how about this - can anyone point me to something that will help me understand how netfilter and iproute2 work together? |
| 20:15.20 | Kronuz | and is that after creating the RAID with mdadm? |
| 20:15.26 | lfs | The MOBO will boot from the stick |
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| 20:16.07 | lfs | So I have working Knoppix internet connection and USB memory stick and I need to install Debian. Anybody know what to do? |
| 20:16.24 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, ?, english is not my first lang, i didn't get that last thing you said :P |
| 20:16.35 | lfs | Unless I can burn a CDROM with Knoppix? |
| 20:16.57 | Guerin | lfs: yo0u should be able to, or you can use debootstrap (ask dpkg) |
| 20:17.17 | lfs | How come I cannot cat boot.img.gz to the USB port? |
| 20:17.32 | lfs | That is driving me nuts trying to figure it out. |
| 20:17.35 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: I thought you figured some workaround to the fglrx --- ??? ----> beryl barrier |
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| 20:18.07 | lfs | With floppy you can always cat boot image to it and it always works |
| 20:18.11 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, i did, i now have xgl+beryl woring, not having direct rendering is a well known limitation of using xglx the actual xgl implementation |
| 20:18.16 | ShakaGoldSaint | working* |
| 20:18.29 | lfs | I guess USB stick has partition data so it works differently |
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| 20:18.47 | ShakaGoldSaint | if you want direct render, you can bypass xgl by running an app in display 0, xgl runs in display 1 |
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| 20:19.58 | ScribbleJ | Does anyone know a likely channel to answer a pretty technical routing issue on Debian Linux? |
| 20:20.28 | Ankman | try |
| 20:20.34 | lfs | U should just ask your question |
| 20:20.48 | LightKnight | ScribbleJ: cast your question, if there's someone knowledgeable, you'll get an answer :) |
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| 20:20.58 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: so it's slow as hell? |
| 20:21.20 | ScribbleJ | I'm got two internet conenctions, I've got NAT for inbound services; the replies go out over the wrong interfaces. The LATC guide suggests a way to solve it in section 4 but it doesn't sem to work due to my SNAT being applied *after* the routing rules. |
| 20:21.24 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, of course not, direct render != 3d accel |
| 20:21.29 | ScribbleJ | My question is: where did I go wrong? |
| 20:21.37 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: ohhh? |
| 20:21.50 | ScribbleJ | LARTC |
| 20:22.08 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, some nvidia users report that in terms of performance nothing beats xgl |
| 20:22.37 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: nvidia? i thought you use ati? |
| 20:22.46 | ShakaGoldSaint | i do |
| 20:23.08 | xixor | hi everyone, I am hoping someone can give me a hand. I am trying to get dual-monitors going on my ASUS N6200 video card, using both its DVI and VGA outputs. My xorg.conf file is at http://rafb.net/p/ZGdRjF93.html. When I plug only a single monitor in at a time, I can get each one working, but not both together |
| 20:23.10 | ScribbleJ | http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html#AEN268 <- this is basically what I've done, it says there it should work with MASQUERADE used for internal addresses, but it doesn't, and I think because MASQUERADE is applied after the routing decisions but it wants to base the replies on the post-masq ip source address. |
| 20:23.43 | Ankman | ScribbleJ: post your essential iptable rules, if not to much |
| 20:23.50 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, but since you said 'it's slow as hell', i thought it would be appropiate to put an example |
| 20:24.00 | ShakaGoldSaint | aiglx does indirect rendering |
| 20:24.04 | ShakaGoldSaint | too |
| 20:24.20 | ShakaGoldSaint | what do you think AIGLX stands for? |
| 20:24.40 | maddash | ShakaGoldSaint: i live fglrx-land. there is no aiglx here. |
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| 20:25.01 | ShakaGoldSaint | maddash, yep, you have to go xgl if you want eye-candy |
| 20:25.05 | ma3x | yo |
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| 20:25.18 | ShakaGoldSaint | just like me |
| 20:25.29 | ma3x | just like you what? |
| 20:25.31 | ma3x | rapper? |
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| 20:26.05 | ScribbleJ | Ankman, I'm pretty sure it would be too much... heh! It's basic though where it applies; I allow forwarding among the involved interfaces and I DNAT inbound connections to an internal address, an SNAT everything outbound to the interface's addess. |
| 20:26.06 | rvalles | I'm trying to install Debian/68k on an Amiga 1200 |
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| 20:26.15 | Ankman | ok |
| 20:26.15 | rvalles | http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-m68k/20070308/images/tools/amiga/ |
| 20:26.47 | rvalles | got amiboot from there |
| 20:26.48 | ShakaGoldSaint | anyway, there's one problem left.... i'm using beryl, can't find recent debian compiz packages |
| 20:26.48 | rvalles | and the "nativehd" image. |
| 20:26.48 | rvalles | (initrd) |
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| 20:26.49 | rvalles | amiboot won't boot them until I actually gunzipped the kernel and the initrd |
| 20:26.50 | Ankman | get something from the logs? |
| 20:26.51 | rvalles | but even so |
| 20:26.55 | Guerin | ShakaGoldSaint: yes, using beryl is a problem. |
| 20:27.03 | rvalles | the kernel starts and it doesn't seem to see the initrd. |
| 20:27.16 | rvalles | it does just throw a sad "unable to mount root" at me. |
| 20:27.35 | ShakaGoldSaint | Guerin, yep, a big one |
| 20:27.49 | ScribbleJ | Ankman, I used tcpdump to have a look aroungd, and what I see is an inbound connection on WAN2 will be DNATted properly to the internal machine handling it, which will respond. The response is given WAN2's IP address, but sent via WAN1. Does that answer? |
| 20:28.36 | Ankman | then it rewrites headers where it shouldn't |
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| 20:29.29 | Mark17 | hello |
| 20:30.02 | Mark17 | is it possible to make a cron to copy all files from a certain directory to a ftp server? |
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| 20:30.26 | Shinigami_GR | hello |
| 20:30.44 | Kronuz | what exactly are the advantages of using LVM vs. not using it? |
| 20:31.01 | Shinigami_GR | installation problem with ethernet card |
| 20:31.04 | Ankman | what is LVM? |
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| 20:31.13 | Ankman | so i probably not use it :-) |
| 20:31.22 | Ankman | and feel good |
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| 20:31.28 | Ankman | have beer and stuff *g* |
| 20:31.42 | ScribbleJ | VM's advantages are simple manipulation of paritions, ability to do cheap software RAID, etc. There's no real disadvantage. |
| 20:32.07 | ScribbleJ | The problem used to be having to make an initrd to handle it but Debian's does already. |
| 20:32.07 | Guerin | i like to be able to see what data is physically on what drive |
| 20:32.17 | ScribbleJ | +L |
| 20:32.21 | Kronuz | I'm confused between LVM and that of what mdadm gives you |
| 20:32.27 | quitte | what was this webpage with the windows uncurse thing? |
| 20:32.30 | Guerin | LVM fucks up my ability to take a drive out and know what's on it, that's a major disadvantage |
| 20:32.59 | ScribbleJ | Guerin, you can still use LVM and make your LVs all on single drives. |
| 20:33.00 | Guerin | Mark17: yes. |
| 20:33.07 | Guerin | ScribbleJ: but why bother? |
| 20:33.20 | Guerin | to me it's just another layer of moving parts which can break |
| 20:33.31 | ScribbleJ | IT's still easier to resize things, and to muck withthe partiion tabl on your primary drive without having to reboot to get the kernel to re-read the table. |
| 20:34.32 | Mark17 | Guerin: do you have any idea where i can find information about making a cron for it? |
| 20:34.42 | Guerin | Mark17: man cron; man lftp |
| 20:34.44 | rvalles | made a screenshot |
| 20:34.48 | rvalles | http://pty.ath.cx/Amiga_1200_Linux_2.6.18-4_panic.png |
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| 20:36.13 | Miesco | How do I spellcheck a word? |
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| 20:37.22 | ScribbleJ | Okay, if I have an SNAT --to FOO rule in my iptables, and I have an ip rule add from FOO table BAR in iproute2, can someone tell me for certain whether I expect the iproute2 rule to trigger? I woudl think NOT because the iptables SNAT rule is in the POSTROUTING chain, necessarily. |
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| 20:45.54 | DizZy | hi there |
| 20:46.28 | DizZy | help me change clock settings from UTC to localtime please. In /etc/default/rcS UTC="no" |
| 20:46.35 | DizZy | what else? |
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| 20:48.20 | Schiz0 | Hey, I'm getting Permissoin Denied errors for perl files when I install ANYTHING using apt-get or dpkg -i. The error is: http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/Schiz0phrenic21/Computers/deb_error.png |
| 20:48.33 | Schiz0 | It's a image because I'm running deb in vmware, so I can't copy/paste the error. |
| 20:48.38 | Schiz0 | So I took a screenshot |
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| 20:49.28 | apk | Schiz0: FYI, If you install vmware-tools you can take screenshots. |
| 20:49.45 | apk | Schiz0: I mean you can copy/paste. |
| 20:49.51 | Schiz0 | ah ok |
| 20:49.56 | lfs | So the command zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb does not write to partition tables? |
| 20:50.15 | lfs | or the boot table? |
| 20:50.29 | lfs | Anybody understand this stuff? |
| 20:50.39 | Mark17 | is there an option to use scp and to include the password in the command line? |
| 20:50.42 | ScribbleJ | lfs, it's certainly going to overwrite your boot sector. |
| 20:50.49 | ScribbleJ | If you boot from sdb |
| 20:51.19 | lfs | how come the command aint working? I get unexpected end of file. |
| 20:51.21 | ScribbleJ | If it's only the first 512(?) bytes though it wouldn't get your partition tables. |
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| 20:52.03 | ScribbleJ | Are you root? Is /dev/sdbX mounted someplace? |
| 20:52.03 | lfs | mounted. I am root |
| 20:52.14 | ScribbleJ | Uh, then you're beyond me... dmesg give any hints? |
| 20:52.16 | lfs | boot.img.gz is in ram |
| 20:52.32 | lfs | I am in knoppix |
| 20:52.49 | ScribbleJ | You shoudl still have dmesg. : |
| 20:53.18 | lfs | What to look for in dmesg? |
| 20:53.29 | ScribbleJ | Errors at the end that look like they might relate. |
| 20:53.30 | Miles_Prower | Q: So far i've seen no ill effects, but I wish to know if others have... My server started at potato and is now etch, via dist-upgrades over the past 4 yrs. Anything i should seriously look out for? |
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| 20:53.36 | lewis | I am trying to adapt an old awk pattern-match script. It used to take the values from the first and eleventh column. Now, the values I want are in the first column, like so: value1||||value2||||unwantedvalue - how should I change: cat input.txt | awk '{d=$1;sub(/^www\./,"",d);totals[d] += $11;} END {for (h in totals) printf("%s: %.3f%s\n", h, totals[h]/1048576, "M");}' | sort |
| 20:53.40 | ScribbleJ | Hrm |
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| 20:53.50 | ScribbleJ | Maybe the unexpected EO is from zcat, and you img.gz is busteD? |
| 20:54.00 | ScribbleJ | Can you gunzip the boot.img.gz? |
| 20:54.23 | ScribbleJ | gunzip boot.img.gz then cat boot.img > /dev/sdb |
| 20:54.25 | lfs | It says attached scsi remmovable sdb |
| 20:54.49 | lfs | no space left on device |
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| 20:55.54 | ScribbleJ | What are you trying to do, lfs? |
| 20:55.57 | lfs | I dont understand that one either |
| 20:56.10 | lfs | I am trying to install Debian |
| 20:56.22 | lfs | And now I am set on installing it with my USB stick |
| 20:56.23 | lewis | in other words, I have a log with: name||||value||||text on each line. I want to accumulate all of the values for matching names, then sort it. |
| 20:56.38 | ScribbleJ | Installing it from a USB disk - sure. There's easier ways to make bootable USB disks |
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| 20:57.06 | \amethyst | lewis: so you want to replace the $11 with $2? (to take values from column 2 instead of column 11?) |
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| 20:57.47 | lewis | \amethyst: more than that. both values I want are in the first column now, insteaf of columns 1 and 11 |
| 20:57.59 | ScribbleJ | Have you tried doign it with a FAT partition and SYSLINUX? |
| 20:58.19 | ScribbleJ | That's what worked for me last time I wanted to boot/install from USB |
| 20:58.21 | \amethyst | lewis: I thought column 1 was the name? |
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| 20:58.25 | lfs | I did, and ran into greif |
| 20:58.30 | lewis | \amethyst: column 1 now reads: name||||value||||text, it was originally just name |
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| 20:58.49 | lfs | But it bothers me that this command won't work. |
| 20:58.56 | cheeseboy | its im possible to get the internet to work without being on the internet |
| 20:59.05 | ScribbleJ | Well, if you are booted into knoppix now you could probably skip the USB and install using debootstrap. |
| 20:59.05 | cheeseboy | its so retarded |
| 20:59.29 | lfs | I am committed to USB boot |
| 20:59.30 | lewis | \amethyst: does that make sense? |
| 20:59.42 | ScribbleJ | I would think the command would be more like zcat boot.img.gz | dd of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 |
| 20:59.45 | cheeseboy | can someone help? |
| 21:00.16 | ScribbleJ | Or something. |
| 21:00.32 | lfs | zcat boot.img.gz works |
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| 21:01.14 | lfs | let me try that one |
| 21:01.37 | cheeseboy | please? |
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| 21:02.03 | \amethyst | lewis: so you don't need the other columns? |
| 21:02.08 | ScribbleJ | cheeseboy, I dont' understand the question. |
| 21:02.17 | lewis | \amethyst: I don't need to process them, nope. |
| 21:02.30 | cheeseboy | i need to get my wireless card to work |
| 21:02.45 | lewis | \amethyst: I need to extract name and value from column 1, aggregate all of the values for the same names together, then sort them. |
| 21:02.46 | cheeseboy | but i cant do it because i dont have internet |
| 21:02.47 | lfs | that worked apparently |
| 21:02.57 | \amethyst | lewis: are you guaranteed that there's always a ||| after the value (i.e. that "|||text" isn't missing)? |
| 21:02.59 | ScribbleJ | Cheeseboy, if you dont' have internet... how exactl are we chatting? |
| 21:03.03 | lfs | Why did that work and the other didnt? |
| 21:03.18 | cheeseboy | ScribbleJ im not on debian now |
| 21:03.19 | lewis | \amethyst: there will always be |||| after the value |
| 21:03.20 | zrin | exit |
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| 21:03.45 | cheeseboy | ScribbleJ and my card wont work in debian without fwcutter |
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| 21:03.59 | cheeseboy | and icant install that w/o internet |
| 21:04.08 | ScribbleJ | Yeah, well, you could grab what you need now, then access it from Debian, maybe? |
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| 21:04.18 | cheeseboy | i tried that |
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| 21:04.40 | cheeseboy | the .deb complained about not being able to accessome google page |
| 21:04.41 | rvalles | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.42 | smacnay | What is the best way to set up a system so a mail client like evolution or icedove shares mailboxes with mutt? |
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| 21:07.04 | Heston | hello, why is make and gcc not included in the default install of sarge, is it supposed to be this bare? |
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| 21:07.51 | lewis | \amethyst: should I have two awk commands, one to split up the first column, one to process it? |
| 21:08.19 | \amethyst | lewis: I was going to recommend just using |||| as the field separator, but I can't seem to get that to work |
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| 21:09.21 | jelly-home | smacnay: access them via imap maybe? |
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| 21:10.00 | smacnay | jelly-home: I should see if my ip does imap. |
| 21:10.20 | smacnay | jelly-home: but storing mail on my machine... I am not sure. |
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| 21:10.44 | lewis | \amethyst: something like this: awk '{sub/^||||," "}' | awk '{d=$1;sub(/^www\./,"",d);totals[d] += $3;} |
| 21:10.47 | chance2105 | It etch, I'm noticing that audio mixes itself now (eg, no /dev/ resource starvation between apps that use ALSA). There's no esd process .. I haven't enabled ALSA dmix .. what changed between etch and sarge? |
| 21:10.54 | jelly-home | smacnay: nothing stops you from running an imapd locally :-) |
| 21:10.57 | lewis | \amethyst: and yes, I am making it up as I go along ;) |
| 21:10.57 | modern | sup? |
| 21:11.08 | smacnay | jelly-home: ture |
| 21:11.11 | smacnay | oops |
| 21:11.15 | smacnay | jelly-home: true |
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| 21:11.57 | jelly-home | chance2105: dmix works by default |
| 21:12.07 | jelly-home | chance2105: *I think |
| 21:12.15 | Mark17 | who know a good tutorial to see how the standard ftp client off debian works? |
| 21:12.17 | roxy_ | hi, I am trying to learn mc reading the man page. It says vi should be the default editor when using F4, but it is not. I had a look in /etc/mc/* but can't find where use_internal_edit has been set on debian. Any hint ? |
| 21:12.21 | modern | not sure |
| 21:12.21 | Mark17 | when i use it in a cron |
| 21:13.56 | \amethyst | lewis: figured it out, it needs double-backslashes before | |
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| 21:14.15 | lewis | ooh |
| 21:14.17 | \amethyst | lewis: awk -F '\\|\\|\\|' '{d=$1;sub(/^www\./,"",d);totals[d] += $2;} END {....etc' |
| 21:14.27 | \amethyst | err |
| 21:14.37 | \amethyst | you'll want -F '\\|\\|\\|\\|' I guess |
| 21:14.37 | chance2105 | jelly-home: Hmm, ok. The latency seems to be really low .. the last time I recall using dmix, the latency was similar to esd. |
| 21:14.45 | lewis | trying now... |
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| 21:15.02 | \amethyst | lewis: that tells awk that "||||", rather than a sequence of whitespace, is the column separator |
| 21:15.04 | chance2105 | jelly-home: now that I think about it a little bit .. maybe it's because the sound hardware I have supports hardware mixing and the driver was updated in the kernel |
| 21:15.30 | lewis | wow |
| 21:15.31 | \amethyst | lewis: so $3 would have the entire rest of the line |
| 21:15.38 | lewis | \amethyst: you're a genius |
| 21:15.59 | Mark17 | is there a way to connect from the commandline to a ftp server or a ssh server to send files (using a cron)? |
| 21:16.07 | lewis | \amethyst: much appreciated - thank you |
| 21:16.48 | \amethyst | lewis: np :) |
| 21:17.06 | jelly-home | Mark17: always the same file(s)? rsync (over ssh) |
| 21:17.14 | chance2105 | jelly-home: I stop paying quite so much attention to what's going on, on the desktop for awhile (stuck on Sarge) and suddenly things are working better in this way. Sound mixing is .. my personal bane of Gnu/Linux desktops |
| 21:17.33 | chance2105 | so if this works like this by default everywhere .. I'm a happy man. |
| 21:17.35 | Mark17 | jelly-home: i only know that they are in the same directory and end with the same (.tar.gz) |
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| 21:18.28 | \amethyst | Mark17: lftp is scriptable, so you can do lftp -c 'open -u user,pass host; put filename.tar.gz' or something |
| 21:18.58 | \amethyst | For ssh, you use scp filename user@host: |
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| 21:19.02 | Kronuz | hello again |
| 21:19.14 | Kronuz | hey, I'm trying to install debian right now |
| 21:19.23 | Kronuz | but I can't find the RAID option |
| 21:19.43 | Mark17 | \amethyst: can lftp be installed besides an other ftp client and ftp server (so lftp is only a ftp client) using apt-get? |
| 21:19.47 | Kronuz | it has LVM stuff, but how do I make it a RAID (with my two drives) |
| 21:20.23 | \amethyst | Mark17: yes, it's just a client, and it's in debian, package lftp |
| 21:20.53 | Mark17 | thank you \amethyst |
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| 21:21.00 | Kronuz | enouf, do you know? |
| 21:21.09 | jelly-home | chance2105: I believe it just works, yes. Been that way since maybe 2.6.13 - 2.6.15 kernels |
| 21:21.30 | enouf | Kronuz: boot in expert mode |
| 21:21.37 | Kronuz | oh... |
| 21:21.42 | Kronuz | enouf, how ? :S |
| 21:21.55 | enouf | press f1-f10 |
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| 21:22.35 | Kronuz | enouf, what's that of exper mode? |
| 21:22.40 | Kronuz | just the shell? |
| 21:22.52 | enouf | Kronuz: /msg dpkg ig ;-) |
| 21:22.56 | Kronuz | enouf, let me try, I think I found some documents in google |
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| 21:23.12 | enouf | Kronuz: read what f1 ... f10 tell you about it |
| 21:23.26 | enouf | no need to google |
| 21:24.16 | Kronuz | enouf, hey, what about later for my other two drives? |
| 21:24.19 | Mark17 | is there an option with lftp to copy all files to a ftp server (i only know the directory and how the file ends (/home/admin/*.tar.gz, where * is for every file different))? |
| 21:24.32 | Kronuz | I have four drives and I'd want to make two RAID1 volumes for those |
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| 21:26.22 | wols_ | Mark17: mput/mget? |
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| 21:28.51 | Mark17 | thank you wols_ |
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| 21:29.44 | Xorm | =DD |
| 21:33.40 | Kronuz | enouf: what about the swap? |
| 21:33.47 | Kronuz | is there a way I can leave it out of the RAID? |
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| 21:35.04 | roxy_ | what the name of the *nix prog that allows to start a shell session , log out and restart it later ? |
| 21:35.12 | Scotttt | screen ? |
| 21:35.20 | roxy_ | Scotttt: thanks |
| 21:35.40 | roxy_ | just couldn't find the name anymore :-) |
| 21:35.56 | Xorm | Anything I should really back up besides my files, my bookmarks, and chat logs? |
| 21:36.12 | pickcoder | Kronuz: create your partitions first. make a boot and swap partition that is not flagged as type "auto-detect raid" |
| 21:36.24 | Xorm | files being things in /home/xiphias/ that dont' start with a period. |
| 21:36.39 | Scotttt | I find backing up everything including .* is useful |
| 21:36.58 | Xorm | I tried that and it messed up scp. |
| 21:37.05 | Scotttt | It's great re-installing programs and finding all your settings are still intact |
| 21:37.06 | pickcoder | !tell Kronux -about software raid |
| 21:37.08 | Xorm | It started copying files over and over and over. |
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| 21:37.11 | Xorm | Filled up my HD. |
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| 21:37.19 | pickcoder | gah |
| 21:37.25 | pickcoder | !tell Kronuz -about software raid |
| 21:37.32 | Xorm | Scotttt, I've backed up a few other programs' data. |
| 21:37.36 | iwkse | hi .. there's some reasons why lint isn't in debian(etch) repo? |
| 21:37.47 | Xorm | Is it in the sarge repo? |
| 21:38.02 | iwkse | is it? |
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| 21:39.05 | Scotttt | That's good. In my experience backing up everything regardless of whether you think it's useful is a good idea. You never know when that .directory that you don't really know what it does might come in useful. |
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| 21:42.30 | Xorm | hey |
| 21:42.33 | Xorm | Antitrust is on. |
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| 21:46.03 | Kronuz | hey, once debian installed |
| 21:46.37 | Kronuz | is there a way I can create partitions for my other disks with the same tool there is in the installation to create partitions (RAID LVM and stuff) |
| 21:47.04 | dirkson | Hey all. Is mkinitrd broken/really old? It's really, really not behaving the way I'm expecting. (I.e. not outputting a gzip image, not responding to -v --version, etc.) |
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| 21:56.37 | rsmith16384 | whats going on with sun right now? |
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| 21:57.00 | [GmLB] | did debian change raidtools2? I tried apt-geting it and got an error. is there perhaps a more up to date mdadm/softraid tutorial |
| 21:57.23 | smacnay | For mutt and evolution to share mail (my provider does not do imap) what is the best setup for a stand-alone machine? Leave mail on the pop server and delete it when needed? |
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| 21:59.51 | rsmith16384 | that would be best that way you can get it everywhere |
| 21:59.58 | smacnay | rsmith16384: thanks |
| 22:00.44 | rsmith16384 | i have no idea what mutt and evo are, i see no issues with that plan conceptually though |
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| 22:03.40 | Gokee2_Laptop | I have a laptop and I want it to turn off the touchpad when I plug in a mouse. Anyone know how to do this? |
| 22:04.06 | Xorm | uhh. |
| 22:04.38 | Snuggles2000 | So, I just hooked in a flash drive, how do I mount it? |
| 22:05.00 | Xorm | Gokee2_Laptop, I'm thinking of a script that looks for kernel messages relating to the mouse, and disables the touchpad on that event. |
| 22:05.07 | Snuggles2000 | I'm not even sure the name of the device either.. |
| 22:05.16 | Xorm | look in dmesg |
| 22:05.25 | Xorm | it'll say something got plugged in. |
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| 22:05.56 | Gokee2_Laptop | Xorm, You mean I have to write a script? This seems like something that would have been done sometime |
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| 22:06.19 | Xorm | It seems pretty specialized. I'm not aware of anything that'll do that automatically. |
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| 22:06.40 | Xorm | I'm guessing it'd be easier to do in teh linnix than windows though. |
| 22:07.11 | Snuggles2000 | lol, it shows my other flashdrive Xorm |
| 22:07.14 | Gokee2_Laptop | windows XP does it by default |
| 22:07.33 | Xorm | o rly? |
| 22:07.35 | Snuggles2000 | I have two flashdrives, one is a 64MB Lexar, and the other is a 2GB Cruzer. I just unmounted the Lexar and took it out. |
| 22:07.43 | Gokee2_Laptop | I am trying to get my dad to use linux and thats one of his problems |
| 22:07.43 | Kronuz | does cfdisk support RAID and LVM partitioning? |
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| 22:07.55 | Snuggles2000 | But when I do lsusb it shows the Lexar device, and not the Cruzer. |
| 22:08.02 | lfs | echo "abcde" > testing; gzip testing; zcat testing.gz > /dev/sdb works but zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb will not work |
| 22:08.03 | Xorm | huh. |
| 22:08.06 | Xorm | I don't know. |
| 22:08.21 | lfs | Apparently I can only write to the first 512 bytes? |
| 22:08.29 | lfs | Now why would that be? |
| 22:08.41 | Kronuz | and what's the advantege of using LVM vs not using it? |
| 22:09.25 | lfs | What is raid partitioning? |
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| 22:11.16 | lfs | So like where have all the gurus gone? |
| 22:11.53 | GoAuLd | its saturday night, where u think? :) |
| 22:12.12 | robin_sz | are we nearly there yet? |
| 22:12.30 | rsmith16384 | i dunno but make your blocksize the same as the stripesize |
| 22:12.46 | rsmith16384 | when you partition it |
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| 22:13.09 | lfs | Is that for me? |
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| 22:13.20 | Ankman | haha |
| 22:13.37 | rsmith16384 | if your about to partition a raid volume thats a good way to make it speedy |
| 22:14.10 | robin_sz | and use software raid :) |
| 22:14.11 | rsmith16384 | otherwise itll haave to look on double the amount of stripes per block |
| 22:14.17 | lfs | What is a raid partition? Never heard of that one. |
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| 22:14.44 | rsmith16384 | raid is a volume like any other |
| 22:14.48 | rsmith16384 | needs to be formatted |
| 22:14.51 | rsmith16384 | and partitioned |
| 22:14.53 | robin_sz | its when you glue several disks together into a big one ... if you have never heard of it, then just ignore it for now |
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| 22:15.08 | robin_sz | you probably dont need to know about it |
| 22:15.10 | lfs | I know raid, but not a raid partition |
| 22:15.15 | robin_sz | eh? |
| 22:15.24 | rsmith16384 | you can make raid fat32 if you wanted |
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| 22:15.37 | robin_sz | well, like, dude, how can you use a raid volume unless you partition it? |
| 22:15.38 | rsmith16384 | that would be a 'raid partition' |
| 22:16.01 | lfs | So no such thing as raid partition. That is what I thought |
| 22:16.33 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 22:16.39 | lfs | How do you zero out a drive? |
| 22:16.39 | rsmith16384 | if i partitioned my raid volume i can say i have a raid partition |
| 22:17.13 | robin_sz | unless you partition a raid block device, its not going to be much use is it? |
| 22:17.31 | rsmith16384 | i believe there are partition types in the big list |
| 22:17.47 | rsmith16384 | designed for raid as well if im not mistaken |
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| 22:18.01 | robin_sz | well yeah |
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| 22:18.28 | robin_sz | but ... a raid device is just like any other block device, eg a hdisk .. you partiton it then format it |
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| 22:20.23 | wols_ | wouldn't it be "better" to first partition hdds and then use those partitions to form a raid partition |
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| 22:20.41 | wols_ | instead of forming a raid device and then partitioning that? |
| 22:21.32 | robin_sz | mmm ... |
| 22:21.35 | lfs | Does it matter if you wipe out your hard drives mbr if nothing is on it? |
| 22:21.53 | wols_ | you rarely if ever need to wipe your MBR |
| 22:22.11 | lfs | But I think I did anyway |
| 22:22.12 | robin_sz | unless you run windows |
| 22:22.17 | robin_sz | then its mandatory |
| 22:22.19 | robin_sz | daily |
| 22:22.36 | lfs | echo "abcde" > testing; gzip testing; zcat testing.gz > /dev/sdb works but zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb will not work |
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| 22:23.14 | parag0n | hey guys, my apt key has apparently expired, so i get loads of error messages when trying to use apt. How would i fix this? |
| 22:23.28 | wols_ | parag0n: by reading the topic |
| 22:23.32 | robin_sz | !topic |
| 22:23.51 | parag0n | ta |
| 22:23.53 | wols_ | lfs: does gunzip boot.img.gz work? |
| 22:25.21 | lfs | no spaceleft on device |
| 22:25.34 | lfs | zcat boot.img.gz works |
| 22:25.41 | frankr | personal preference / best way to rip dvds in lnux? |
| 22:25.48 | frankr | linux^ |
| 22:25.51 | parag0n | fantastic. it works now |
| 22:25.51 | lfs | I think the problem is that i can only write to first 512 bytes on USB device |
| 22:25.56 | Kronuz | after installing debian, I can't boot .. I installed it as RAID and it seems the MBR was not correcly installed or something |
| 22:26.20 | parag0n | frankr, dvd::rip is pretty good |
| 22:26.58 | wols_ | if gunzup there is no space left on device? |
| 22:27.04 | wols_ | what device? |
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| 22:28.00 | lfs | Knoppix ram disk |
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| 22:29.01 | kself-2 | !seen Guerin |
| 22:29.02 | dpkg | guerin is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 1h 54m 19s, last said: 'Mark17: man cron; man lftp'. |
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| 22:29.29 | sophacles | lfs try zcat boot.img.gz|dd of=/dev/sdb |
| 22:29.31 | centrx | what sage advice |
| 22:29.43 | war | Is running debian-sarge-amd64 (e.g., for the Core Duo processor) considered stable if someone wants to run x86_64, or should he/she stick with i386? |
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| 22:29.49 | lfs | How to zero out the USB device? |
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| 22:31.41 | lfs | unexpected end of file again |
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| 22:31.53 | wols_ | lfs: man dd |
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| 22:32.38 | sophacles | hmm. i wonder how that usb stick is partitioned. 512 bytes is conveniently mbr sized... |
| 22:32.46 | wols_ | lfs: gunzip boot.img.gz && cp boot.img /dev/sdb |
| 22:33.13 | bzed | hmm |
| 22:33.24 | bzed | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb :P |
| 22:33.44 | lfs | How come end of file error? |
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| 22:34.05 | sophacles | bzed that command is the problem, lfs says it only writes 512 bytes then dies... |
| 22:34.06 | lfs | IT seems i must be running out of room on USB device, 1 gig device |
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| 22:34.13 | tarcisio | sala em portugues so debian |
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| 22:34.42 | lfs | it said 2.8M copied |
| 22:34.45 | lfs | with dd command |
| 22:35.30 | tarcisio | portgues |
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| 22:36.26 | lfs | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb is the command in the installation manual. |
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| 22:37.06 | lfs | It worked yesterday, but I didnt add the iso file. Now I cant get it to work at all. |
| 22:38.02 | sandman | I must say... flashblock must be iceweasel's best extension |
| 22:38.14 | sandman | Not sure if any of you use that, but it is madly useful. |
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| 22:38.17 | Kronuz | hey, can I boot from a software RAID? |
| 22:38.35 | wols_ | sandman: why flashblock when you can have Adblock? |
| 22:38.43 | Kronuz | 'cause I installed debian (created just one software RAID1 volume) and now it doesn't boot |
| 22:38.51 | wols_ | Kronuz: you can but it's not worth it |
| 22:38.54 | Kronuz | it said it was going to install grub in the MBR |
| 22:39.11 | Kronuz | wols_, how should it be done then? |
| 22:39.21 | wols_ | create a boot/ partition |
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| 22:39.34 | wols_ | outside of the RAID of course |
| 22:39.41 | Kronuz | wols_ and I leave that non-raid? |
| 22:39.52 | Kronuz | wols_, but then what about the second drive? |
| 22:40.04 | Kronuz | (if I have to have the exact same partitions) |
| 22:40.04 | wols_ | what about it? |
| 22:40.15 | Kronuz | the boot partition won't be there in the secodn drive |
| 22:40.23 | wols_ | and? |
| 22:40.24 | Kronuz | will it? |
| 22:40.35 | Kronuz | do I just create a dummy second partition? |
| 22:40.50 | Kronuz | dummy boot partition in the second drive, that is |
| 22:41.14 | Kronuz | (same size just to sit there and do nothing but sync the partitions in both drives |
| 22:41.32 | Kronuz | wols_, or what? |
| 22:41.43 | wols_ | do you have a brain? |
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| 22:42.17 | lfs | I have no brain |
| 22:42.41 | lfs | lobotomy |
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| 22:43.11 | wols_ | even with a lobotomy you have a brain, just maybe a smaller one |
| 22:43.24 | kilimanjaro | Does anybody have any idea why the e1000 driver won't load on my system during the install? My system has an asus p5lp-le motherboard that uses the intel pro/1000 network interface |
| 22:43.49 | wols_ | kilimanjaro: what kernel version? |
| 22:43.58 | Kronuz | wols_, then, should I create a boot partition in my first disk and in my second disk as well? |
| 22:44.14 | lfs | You only need one boot partition |
| 22:44.24 | FlopsyPete | when I download an XLS file from the web in Iceweasel it offers to open it in Gnumeric. I have Gnumeric and OOo Calc installed. Gnumeric won;t read XLS files. thats a bug worth reporting right? |
| 22:44.30 | wols_ | Kronuz: ok you answered my question I guess. what is your timezone? |
| 22:44.33 | Kronuz | lfs, eactly, but that'll be a small boot partition in my first disk |
| 22:44.45 | \amethyst | gnumeric won't read xls files? |
| 22:44.46 | kilimanjaro | wols_, not sure, it's whatever the standard kernel is in 3.1 r5 |
| 22:44.52 | \amethyst | really? |
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| 22:44.59 | Kronuz | wols_, UTC-6 |
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| 22:45.10 | Kronuz | or was it UTM... or ewhat was it |
| 22:45.13 | FlopsyPete | \amethyst: use the file open dialog, there's no mention of MS Excel |
| 22:45.14 | Kronuz | but anyway |
| 22:45.27 | wols_ | doh. then my sunday guess was wrong |
| 22:45.44 | Kronuz | lfs, yes, I only need one boot partition |
| 22:45.47 | wols_ | but then, you can't blame your talking on it being sunday either |
| 22:45.48 | \amethyst | FlopsyPete: what version of gnumeric? |
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| 22:46.11 | FlopsyPete | \amethyst: whatevers gonna be in Etch |
| 22:46.26 | wols_ | kilimanjaro: use an installer with a newer kernel or etch rc2 installer |
| 22:46.26 | Kronuz | but if I don't put a boot partition the same size in the second disk, how will I make the second partitions match in size (to be used as RAID partitions) |
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| 22:46.44 | \amethyst | FlopsyPete: 1.6.3-5? |
| 22:46.51 | wols_ | Kronuz: why do you need a 2nd partition? |
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| 22:47.27 | FlopsyPete | \amethyst: Help - About brings up no windows so I can't tell you from there. dpkg -l confirms 1.6.3-5 |
| 22:47.55 | \amethyst | FlopsyPete: sounds like something's broken in your installation |
| 22:48.01 | \amethyst | FlopsyPete: what version of gnumeric-common do you have? |
| 22:48.09 | kilimanjaro | wols_, ok i will try the etch rc2 |
| 22:48.15 | Kronuz | wols_: two disks of the same kind and size, I want RAID1, on disk one two partitions: boot (simple ext3 of 500MB) and root partition (RAID), on second disk RAID |
| 22:48.24 | FlopsyPete | \amethyst: same. this is an installation of Etch about 3 weeks old |
| 22:48.30 | kilimanjaro | I didn't think this motherboard was that new, but maybe the newer kernel will make a difference |
| 22:48.35 | Kronuz | wols_, but the seond disk's partition for RAID will be of different size than the one in the first disk |
| 22:48.38 | wols_ | Kronuz: that's nice talk (not) but doesn't answer my question |
| 22:48.42 | Kronuz | and that's not possible |
| 22:48.44 | Kronuz | is it? |
| 22:49.01 | Kronuz | wols_, I need the firs partition to boot |
| 22:49.06 | Kronuz | the second partition to have my RAID1 |
| 22:49.13 | wols_ | I mean a 2nd partition on the 2nd drive |
| 22:49.15 | lfs | cfdisk brings fatal error primary partition begins after end of disk |
| 22:49.24 | Kronuz | wols_, that's what I'm asking |
| 22:49.30 | war | Hello, is anyone running Debian Sarge or Etch on x86_64 with a Core Duo processor? |
| 22:49.41 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 22:49.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 22:49.46 | fasfafa | http://lads.sytes.net Join Please |
| 22:49.51 | Kronuz | wols_, will I need to create that dummy boot partition in the second disk, just to make the RAID partitions match? |
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| 22:49.56 | lfs | I get same error for my hdd |
| 22:49.57 | wols_ | !ops fasfafa is a spamming idiot |
| 22:49.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: fasfafa is a spamming idiot |
| 22:50.04 | \amethyst | FlopsyPete: do you have the file /usr/lib/gnumeric/1.6.3/plugins/excel/excel.so ? |
| 22:50.07 | Kronuz | (in size and in the position they are in the disks) |
| 22:50.08 | lfs | Did I screw up this computer? |
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| 22:50.47 | Thaiger | Can anyone point me in the direction of a how-to for a WUSB11 usb wifi adapter? |
| 22:50.58 | FlopsyPete | \amethyst: yes I have it |
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| 22:51.17 | Kronuz | wols_, what do you think? |
| 22:51.26 | \amethyst | FlopsyPete: and in the open dialog, what is the file type immediately following Lotus 1-2-3 ? |
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| 22:52.00 | FlopsyPete | \amethyst: there is no 123. I've just looked in Tools -> Plug-ins and none of them are selected |
| 22:52.03 | wols_ | Kronuz: my thoughts are unprintable. too much expletives about you I think |
| 22:52.20 | \amethyst | FlopsyPete: Oh, well, that's the problem :) |
| 22:52.29 | wols_ | Thaiger: google? |
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| 22:52.37 | lfs | So like what happens if the partition table is hosed? |
| 22:52.48 | Thaiger | wols_: So far no luck |
| 22:52.59 | wols_ | Thaiger: do you have the device in question? |
| 22:53.11 | \amethyst | FlopsyPete: Hmm... I don't remember ever having to turn that on |
| 22:53.14 | FlopsyPete | \amethyst: surely the problem is that they should be turned on in Etch tho, right? I'm not even given the option of OOo Calc by Iceweasel, only Gnumeric, and it isn't setup to handle XLS by default |
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| 22:53.37 | jetscreamer | !alternatives |
| 22:53.38 | dpkg | i guess alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 22:54.39 | lfs | fdisk /dev/sda and then print says that my partition table does not look like a partition table. |
| 22:54.39 | lfs | Do I need to returnt the HDD? |
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| 22:54.40 | Thaiger | wols_: Yes |
| 22:54.44 | wols_ | Thaiger: google for prim2 howto. and you WILL find lots. I even found a howto with the first google hit for "wusb11 howto". which makes me think you haven't googled worth a damn and are lazy |
| 22:55.04 | wols_ | lfs: what disk is this /dev/sda? |
| 22:55.18 | wols_ | Thaiger: prism2 howto |
| 22:55.27 | potolo | Hi, I'm trying to connect (on Debian etch) to an SVN repository using svn+ssh. the repository has added my public ket for access. the key was created with a passwrd, incidentally. But when I enter svn checkout svn+ssh://myusername@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdevelop, I get Permission denied (publickey), followed by svn: Connection closed unexpectedly |
| 22:55.32 | potolo | Ideas? |
| 22:55.43 | lfs | /dev/sda is the hdd |
| 22:55.49 | \amethyst | FlopsyPete: I would consider it a bug if /usr/lib/mime/packages/gnumeric claims to handle xls, but Excel support isn't on by default |
| 22:55.58 | wols_ | lfs: what disk? model? |
| 22:56.06 | lfs | western digital |
| 22:56.17 | wols_ | lfs: so how did you boot from that disk? |
| 22:56.30 | lfs | SATA 300 |
| 22:56.30 | wols_ | or did you overwrite your MBR after bootup? |
| 22:56.38 | FlopsyPete | \amethyst: yeah xls is in there. I'll file a bug |
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| 22:56.43 | wols_ | heck, how did you mount a partition? |
| 22:56.44 | lfs | I booted Knoppix from CDROM |
| 22:56.59 | Thaiger | wols_: most everything seems to be for 2.4 or the wrong version of the hardware |
| 22:57.06 | wols_ | so it's a new disk that hasn't a partition table yet? |
| 22:57.17 | lfs | ITs a new disk |
| 22:57.31 | wols_ | so how could a new disk have a partition table already? |
| 22:57.35 | lfs | I think I scribbled all over it though |
| 22:58.10 | wols_ | who cares as long as there is no data on it? |
| 22:58.25 | lfs | OK, thats a relief |
| 22:58.33 | lfs | So how do I get the USB port to work. |
| 22:58.55 | wols_ | working for what? |
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| 22:59.04 | FlopsyPete | \amethyst: does your gnumeric's Help -> About work? |
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| 22:59.33 | lfs | I need to install from it. |
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| 22:59.39 | wad | lfs: Can you do lsusb ? |
| 22:59.53 | wols_ | that's a function of your BIOS and outside of the scope of #debian |
| 22:59.59 | wols_ | that you can boot fom uSB that is |
| 23:00.04 | lfs | It boots from the USB port |
| 23:00.11 | wols_ | so what is the problem? |
| 23:00.24 | lfs | I just need to get written correctly to install debian |
| 23:00.29 | wols_ | if you can't access the USB under your current knoppix: that is no #debian problem either but #knoppix |
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| 23:00.39 | lfs | I can access it |
| 23:01.03 | wols_ | can you gunzip the boot.img? |
| 23:01.08 | lfs | no |
| 23:01.20 | lfs | Puzzled by that one. |
| 23:01.41 | lfs | I only have ram disk to write to. |
| 23:01.42 | rvalles | full description of the problem: http://pty.ath.cx/.amigaproblem |
| 23:01.43 | wols_ | how do you know your boot.img was downloaded correctly then? |
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| 23:01.51 | rvalles | (Installing Debian on an Amiga 1200) |
| 23:01.51 | wols_ | how big is that ramdisk? |
| 23:01.55 | lfs | How to check that? |
| 23:02.09 | wols_ | and why only a ramdisk? you have a friggin' empty harddisk around! |
| 23:02.13 | wols_ | df |
| 23:02.23 | potolo | anyone have any ideas on the SSH error connection problem? |
| 23:02.30 | Snuggles | I'm having issues with websites that use things like img {opacity;.9;} in CSS, or even PNG / GIF transparency in IceWeasel, FireFox, etc. |
| 23:02.31 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 23:02.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:02.36 | Snuggles | Is anyone else having the same issues? |
| 23:02.50 | lfs | should the usb port show up on df? |
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| 23:02.55 | eilker | potolo> : i have at the moment |
| 23:02.56 | wols_ | lfs: no |
| 23:03.05 | wols_ | lfs: but that's not what you asked |
| 23:03.11 | potolo | wols_: I did ask my real question. No replies, hence the hopeful asking |
| 23:03.21 | anyone | no i'm not having any issues |
| 23:03.23 | lfs | Ok so i have a hdd to write to. |
| 23:03.28 | wols_ | potolo: that doesn't mean you're supposed to ask a dumb anyone question |
| 23:03.46 | potolo | eilker: right. if they will help me solve the problem - potentially, then please share them |
| 23:03.47 | wols_ | cause if the real question couldn't be answered, who cares about a fake question, answerable or not? |
| 23:03.47 | mfrisch | potolo: whats the error |
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| 23:03.56 | eilker | potolo> : could you repeat your problem pls ? |
| 23:04.05 | potolo | wols_: Okay. If you have something constructive share. Verbally abuse your teddy bear, not me. |
| 23:04.06 | FlopsyPete | can someone whose running the most recent Gnumeric (1.6.3-5) please check if the Help -> About dialog works? |
| 23:04.13 | lfs | my idea was to follow the installation manual and install boot.img.gz on my usb port |
| 23:04.17 | anyone | debian works flawlessly for anyone |
| 23:04.30 | potolo | eilker: be happy to, thanks. it's a problem with svn+ssh. I have access (in theory!) to the external repository |
| 23:04.37 | anyone | anyone is better than you... |
| 23:04.38 | potolo | I'm trying to connect (on Debian etch) to an SVN repository using svn+ssh. the repository has added my public ket for access. the key was created with a passwrd, incidentally. But when I enter svn checkout svn+ssh://myusername@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdevelop, I get Permission denied (publickey), followed by svn: Connection closed unexpectedly |
| 23:04.40 | modern | hello |
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| 23:04.46 | eelmoo | sup |
| 23:04.46 | str4` | sup? |
| 23:04.52 | mfrisch | potolo: never done it but did you set the var? |
| 23:05.15 | mfrisch | potolo: sshsomething |
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| 23:05.37 | potolo | mfrisch: hmm? the ssh config file has the hostname and identity file path, for each of the two SSH keypairs I have |
| 23:05.47 | lfs | SO should I partition the HDD? |
| 23:06.01 | mfrisch | potolo: its for svn to tell it to use ssh and how |
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| 23:06.07 | anyone | does anyone run debian? |
| 23:06.08 | anyone | yes |
| 23:06.15 | wols_ | lfs: if you run out of space decompressing it's a possibility |
| 23:06.16 | potolo | mfrisch: I know. It doesn't work though :) |
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| 23:06.34 | eilker | potolo> : mine was about strick keys , keyboard.. |
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| 23:06.44 | potolo | ssh-add /home/richard/.ssh/id_dsa_kde does request the password. After entering it the msg 'key added' is returned |
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| 23:07.25 | eilker | in fact i am trying to acces from my kubuntu box, to debian server (which works on the same pc on vmware server) , but now it gives error about dns warning |
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| 23:07.50 | lotus-blade | is thee any way to boot from a usb cd drive if the bios deos not support it? |
| 23:08.00 | wols_ | lotus-blade: no |
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| 23:08.05 | potolo | the only things I have in the home directory ssh config file are the Host and Identity file paths for the two keypairs |
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| 23:08.13 | mfrisch | potolo: I still don't think you changed svn to use ssh I do remember its setting a var + stuff so it doesn't use rsync or whatever |
| 23:08.17 | wols_ | you can boot the kernel from something else however and then change over to usb for the rest |
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| 23:09.37 | potolo | mfrisch: thanks, I'll have another look around |
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| 23:10.25 | mfrisch | potolo: I think sf.net will help there is alot of svn there |
| 23:11.42 | potolo | mfrisch: I'll give their docs a read thru again. I have a maintainer account for an app hosted there, but I use CVS for that one. I'll read their SVN notes. It might give me some tips |
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| 23:13.34 | mfrisch | potolo: I think thats were I read about it.... |
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| 23:13.57 | lfs | I think I have bad boot.img.gz file |
| 23:14.04 | lfs | How to get a good one?> |
| 23:14.26 | wols_ | redownload? or do you think the site you downlaoded from has a bad file? |
| 23:14.30 | mfrisch | !debian installer |
| 23:14.30 | dpkg | [debian installer] found at gluck.debian.org or checkout Dan Weber(beta3)'s implementation of it with 2.6 kernel at http://alioth.debian.org/projects/di26 |
| 23:14.35 | lfs | I mounted usb device, cp to it and then did gunzip and it did not work |
| 23:14.43 | LightKnight | Hi -- when I call a cgi-bin script from my site (Apache 2) it shows me the script source instead of running it/ The cgi-bin scriptalias is present in Apache's sites-enabled section... what else do I miss? |
| 23:14.48 | mfrisch | that ain't it |
| 23:14.56 | lfs | IT must be site since I tried several times. |
| 23:14.58 | wols_ | lfs: why would you do that? and "did not work" is meaningless to tell us |
| 23:15.05 | wols_ | HOW did it not work? ERROR messages? |
| 23:15.11 | lfs | end of file error |
| 23:15.20 | lfs | unexpected end of file error. |
| 23:15.24 | wols_ | do you KNOW the unzipped file will fit on your USB? |
| 23:15.30 | mfrisch | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:15.30 | lfs | 1 gig |
| 23:15.56 | mfrisch | ^^download from there |
| 23:16.01 | wols_ | lfs: mount a partition on your harddisk and untup the file there |
| 23:16.08 | wols_ | *unzip |
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| 23:17.08 | mfrisch | google has pictures now. I did debian installer and it show the boot screen for the installer |
| 23:17.20 | lfs | the installation manual says the usb stick only needs to be 256mb |
| 23:17.32 | h3xis | i'm running etch using kde and the gtk-qt theme engine is not working at all. is this a known issue or something? |
| 23:17.47 | lfs | SO fdisk the hdd and create one partition? |
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| 23:18.55 | perlmonkey | mount: 192.168.1.1:/home/mythtv failed, reason given by server: Permission denied. any ideas? |
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| 23:27.07 | eilker | do i need to install sudo ? |
| 23:27.16 | lfs | How can I have no space on ramdisk when it says only 1%used? |
| 23:27.24 | lfs | is something screwed up here? |
| 23:27.54 | eilker | it says "bash- sudo command not found" ?? |
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| 23:30.18 | wols_ | perlmonkey: you miss the password? |
| 23:30.30 | wols_ | oops. nfs. mea culpa |
| 23:30.49 | wols_ | eilker: if you want to run it, you have to install it of course |
| 23:30.56 | perlmonkey | wols_ theres no password |
| 23:31.13 | wols_ | perlmonkey: I ASSumed samba, sorry |
| 23:31.18 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 23:31.35 | streuner_ | wols_: /nick Confiteor |
| 23:31.38 | wols_ | yum |
| 23:31.44 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 23:31.50 | wols_ | what is a confiteor? |
| 23:32.07 | perlmonkey | im probably missing something really silly like forgot to restart something |
| 23:32.34 | streuner_ | wols_: "...Gebet „Confiteor“ („Ich bekenne“), das seit dem 11. Jahrhundert in der katholischen Kirche gesprochen wird" |
| 23:32.35 | wols_ | while I am of roman catholic confession de jure, I don't really like them, so I pass |
| 23:33.23 | wols_ | perlmonkey: does your NFS server allow the NFS client's IP? |
| 23:33.28 | perlmonkey | streuner_ are you deutsch? |
| 23:33.43 | wols_ | yes he is, so am I |
| 23:33.51 | perlmonkey | wols_ it should do as im already mounted for home folder from the same machine |
| 23:33.54 | mfrisch | thats why ;-) |
| 23:33.57 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 23:33.59 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: yes. |
| 23:34.43 | perlmonkey | spicey sausages would have been more appropriate than biscuits, or am i stereotyping you guys |
| 23:35.03 | wols_ | stay with the biscuits for me please |
| 23:35.07 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 23:35.10 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 23:35.16 | wols_ | and germany has vrey few if any spicy sausages |
| 23:35.25 | wols_ | that's more of a polish or czech thing |
| 23:35.28 | perlmonkey | another myth |
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| 23:36.06 | mfrisch | locky is a myth that is a sterotype |
| 23:36.10 | wols_ | we have a ton of different sausage sorts tho. bread too |
| 23:36.24 | wols_ | more than most any outer country I think |
| 23:36.29 | wols_ | *other |
| 23:36.42 | perlmonkey | is outer german for other? |
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| 23:36.50 | wols_ | no |
| 23:36.52 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 23:37.03 | wols_ | oder is other. I am just to dumb to use a keyboard that's all |
| 23:37.20 | perlmonkey | have you been on the beer tonight wols |
| 23:37.49 | wols_ | I never drink beer. beer tastes and smells awful |
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| 23:38.00 | enouf | !vodka wols_ |
| 23:38.09 | wols_ | now that is something I can appreciate |
| 23:38.10 | perlmonkey | oh you are not at all the typical german |
| 23:38.11 | wols_ | thanks enouf |
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| 23:38.40 | wols_ | vodka is good: enough ethanol without all the fuss and pretenses |
| 23:38.43 | perlmonkey | a shot of vodka to wet the whistle |
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| 23:39.14 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: you are not the typical english ;-) |
| 23:39.15 | xorAxAx | hi, how can i disable rred for apt-get update? |
| 23:39.28 | perlmonkey | im a typical englishman |
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| 23:39.50 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: where abouts?/ |
| 23:39.54 | perlmonkey | i like tea and i wear carpet slippers |
| 23:40.07 | perlmonkey | im proud to admit it :P |
| 23:40.16 | mfrisch | typhoo? |
| 23:40.17 | wols_ | I like tea too, but not the awful english one |
| 23:40.23 | wols_ | and I don't wear carpet slippers |
| 23:40.36 | perlmonkey | mfrisch: right on the money! my favourite brand, only typhoo for me |
| 23:40.57 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: damn englishmen are all alike ;-) |
| 23:41.27 | wols_ | perlmonkey: does it come in bags? |
| 23:41.30 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: my great grandmother was from england. only typhoo. |
| 23:41.36 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 23:41.46 | wols_ | perlmonkey: good tes isn't in bags. |
| 23:41.50 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 23:41.53 | wols_ | mine comes from java btw |
| 23:42.17 | perlmonkey | wols_ i went through a lose tea phase and occasionally still like the odd pot, but im a bit lazy when it comes to cleaning the pots out |
| 23:42.37 | xorAxAx | nobody has an idea? |
| 23:42.38 | perlmonkey | i actually own a nice collectible german teapot from 1960s |
| 23:42.39 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: its gotten to the point some grocery's in the states carry it even. |
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| 23:42.52 | wols_ | they make nice big filters. tea is still confined but has enough room |
| 23:43.00 | perlmonkey | wow, i'll be fine if come visit the states then |
| 23:43.02 | wols_ | and it's not the ground down pulp which is in bags |
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| 23:43.23 | wols_ | xorAxAx: what is rred? |
| 23:43.42 | xorAxAx | wols_: thats ed patches for package lists |
| 23:43.48 | xorAxAx | and rred applies |
| 23:43.49 | xorAxAx | them |
| 23:43.52 | xorAxAx | very slowly! |
| 23:43.58 | wols_ | ah yes. that crap |
| 23:43.59 | xorAxAx | so i want to fetch full lists |
| 23:44.13 | xR | Got an issue.. using 3.1r5... during install freezes on ide-cd... running core 2 duo cpu... is there a different version i should be using for 64bit? tried a few cd drives and it didnt sort it |
| 23:44.33 | wols_ | xorAxAx: try an etch installer |
| 23:44.42 | xorAxAx | "etch installer"? |
| 23:44.48 | xorAxAx | that is an etch system |
| 23:44.50 | eilker | i want a user to able to use "sudo" command. // as root , "visudo user" ? is it correct ? |
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| 23:45.05 | wols_ | xorAxAx: sorry. meant xr |
| 23:45.10 | mfrisch | visudo than edit the file brought up |
| 23:45.10 | wols_ | xR: use etch |
| 23:45.17 | cusco | eilker: just visudo |
| 23:45.24 | wols_ | xorAxAx: checked the apt howto? |
| 23:45.42 | eilker | cusco> ? how will system know the user ? |
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| 23:46.11 | xorAxAx | wols_: nothing in there |
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| 23:46.16 | wols_ | eilker: visudo edits sudoers file |
| 23:46.16 | mfrisch | xR: get an older (I have had few problems with rc1 amd-64) iso |
| 23:46.37 | eilker | wols_ : i ask how to edit :) |
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| 23:48.05 | wols_ | xorAxAx: http://yoosee.net/d/archives/2006/11/07/002.html |
| 23:48.09 | wols_ | eilker: run visudo! |
| 23:48.10 | Kronuz | who's using RAID? |
| 23:48.23 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 23:48.24 | HostilePenguin | im using raid |
| 23:48.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:48.26 | cusco | eilker: visudo will open the file with a list of users, for you to edit |
| 23:48.31 | Gokee2_Laptop | I am using the synapics driver for my touchpad and I just enables scrolling now in firefox when I move my finger along the bottem of my touch pad is moves through the history, I want it to instead scroll. Any way to do this? |
| 23:48.45 | Kronuz | HostilePenguin: software RAID? |
| 23:48.45 | mfrisch | Kronuz: did you figure out lvm? |
| 23:48.50 | HostilePenguin | sili image |
| 23:48.54 | Kronuz | mfrisch: yeah |
| 23:49.09 | Kronuz | but now I need to know in the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 23:49.19 | Kronuz | how is the root set for RAID volumes |
| 23:49.20 | xorAxAx | wols_: cool, thansk |
| 23:49.21 | HostilePenguin | raid 0 sata raptors |
| 23:49.22 | xorAxAx | thanks |
| 23:49.34 | xorAxAx | wols_: doesnt work |
| 23:49.48 | Kronuz | HostilePenguin, can you tell me or pastebin your menu.lst? |
| 23:49.48 | mfrisch | Kronuz: its easy...update-grub should fix it then grub-install /dev/hardiskmbr |
| 23:50.22 | Kronuz | what does update-grub vs grub-install do? |
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| 23:50.46 | eilker | how to add user to a group ? no gui here, " adduser bob admin" is it correct ? |
| 23:51.02 | mfrisch | grub-install installs update-grub updates any other ?? |
| 23:51.11 | rvalles | http://lists.debian.org/debian-68k/2007/03/msg00099.html |
| 23:51.13 | haggz | kronuz: update-grub is for menu.lst, whereas grub-install actually writes to the master boot record |
| 23:51.13 | apk | eilker: man useradd |
| 23:51.14 | Kronuz | mfrisch: does update-grub detect the installed or present kernels? |
| 23:51.24 | Kronuz | thanks haggz |
| 23:51.40 | mfrisch | Kronuz: suppose to yes, if they are debian stocks YES |
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| 23:52.40 | mfrisch | Kronuz: is / on the lvm on the raid? |
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| 23:52.56 | Vertigo_ | Is there a way to use Debian on a hardrive not detected ? |
| 23:53.10 | Vertigo_ | I can boot my WinXP on this hardrive, but I cant see it during the Debian Installation |
| 23:53.25 | wols_ | xorAxAx: http://lists.debian.org/deity/2006/07/msg00086.html |
| 23:53.35 | wols_ | xorAxAx: Acquire::Pdiffs "false"; |
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| 23:53.36 | eilker | how to add a user to a group ? i wanna add Bob to admin group ? |
| 23:53.48 | mfrisch | aduser bob admin |
| 23:53.48 | wols_ | Vertigo_: what kernel version? |
| 23:53.55 | mfrisch | adduser bob admin |
| 23:53.55 | eilker | thanx |
| 23:53.57 | Vertigo_ | 31r5 % |
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| 23:54.01 | Vertigo_ | the lastest netinst |
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| 23:54.08 | Vertigo_ | latest* |
| 23:54.16 | wols_ | Vertigo_: either get an etch installer or a kmuto installer |
| 23:54.23 | xorAxAx | wols_: thanks |
| 23:54.26 | mfrisch | kmuto? |
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| 23:54.30 | wols_ | !kmuto |
| 23:54.30 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:54.33 | Vertigo_ | hmmm |
| 23:54.40 | mfrisch | aah |
| 23:54.49 | wols_ | Vertigo_: what sata controller? |
| 23:54.55 | Vertigo_ | dunno |
| 23:55.00 | mfrisch | nvidia I bet |
| 23:55.02 | Vertigo_ | but what is the etch installer6 |
| 23:55.03 | wols_ | what mainboard? CPU? |
| 23:55.08 | wols_ | !d-i |
| 23:55.08 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 23:55.33 | eilker | how to see the groups that i have ? |
| 23:56.00 | Vertigo_ | wols_, but what is the etch installer6 |
| 23:56.29 | wols_ | it is an installer for etch |
| 23:56.32 | wols_ | !etch |
| 23:56.33 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 23:56.48 | Vertigo_ | and what is etch? |
| 23:57.00 | wols_ | read what dpkg just wrote |
| 23:57.26 | Vertigo_ | are you sure this will fix my problem? |
| 23:57.44 | mfrisch | Vertigo for sata support YES |
| 23:57.56 | wols_ | as sure as I can be since you can't tell me useful information |
| 23:58.05 | mfrisch | Vertigo except some nvidia based chipsets |
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| 23:58.26 | wols_ | mfrisch: why? nvidia uses ahci IIRC |
| 23:58.27 | arrenlex | My computer hangs for six or seven seconds (black screen) when X starts at boot. Can I remedy this? |
| 23:58.46 | mfrisch | wols_: try it on sarge. |
| 23:58.50 | wols_ | how do you know it "hangs"? |
| 23:59.02 | wols_ | mfrisch: almost no sata works on sarge |
| 23:59.09 | wols_ | e.g. no recent intel works there |
| 23:59.19 | Vertigo_ | netinst or CD version? |
| 23:59.21 | arrenlex | wols_: Because the boot process text is already gone, but the X mouse cursor is not yet up. |
| 23:59.26 | wols_ | which is understandable since it's a 2 year old kernel |
| 23:59.51 | wols_ | arrenlex: that doesn't qualify as hanging |
