| 00:00.00 | wols_ | Vertigo_: netinst |
| 00:00.23 | arrenlex | wols_: Okey, how can I find out what it's doing between the end of the init process and the appearance of the cursor? |
| 00:00.27 | mfrisch | arrenlex: don't use the gui |
| 00:00.37 | wols_ | it laods X, what else? |
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| 00:00.43 | wols_ | inits the driver for example |
| 00:01.02 | arrenlex | wols_: X starts immediately after the boot text on my laptop and on my old computer. |
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| 00:02.39 | sciboy | Hmmmm, any package maintainers interested in supporting a linux port of a traditional animation program? http://www.les-stooges.org/pascal/pencil/ |
| 00:03.10 | sciboy | I've gotten the mac source to compile but it needs work. |
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| 00:06.09 | xR | so whats with the ia64 build? is that for intel 64 bit systems? |
| 00:06.14 | xR | or should i use r1? |
| 00:06.23 | tvynr | xR: ia64 is for the iTanic. |
| 00:06.40 | xR | kk |
| 00:06.55 | xR | so just use an older build to get past the ide-cd freezing up during install? |
| 00:07.22 | mfrisch | xR: maybe? |
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| 00:07.30 | tvynr | xR: What arch are you using? |
| 00:07.49 | xR | core 2 duo |
| 00:07.55 | xR | 64bit intel |
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| 00:08.53 | tvynr | xR: That'll run the AMD64 port. |
| 00:09.14 | tvynr | xR: Intel's EM64T is compatible with AMD's x86_64 stuff. (I think I have those terms right...) |
| 00:09.47 | tvynr | xR: The IA64 is Intel's first try at 64-bit processors. It didn't go over well, mostly IIRC because they weren't backward compatible with IA32. |
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| 00:10.01 | mfrisch | ia64 has better vizualation support maybe? |
| 00:10.18 | cusco | it is? cool I should be running that one then :P |
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| 00:10.43 | wols_ | mfrisch: no. worse |
| 00:10.51 | wols_ | aka none |
| 00:11.15 | xR | so what iso should i get fellas? |
| 00:11.34 | mfrisch | amd-64 netintall rc1? |
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| 00:13.38 | bzed | mfrisch: actually I have no clue why they got that piece of itanium 2 out at all. O_o |
| 00:14.13 | bzed | xR: either an amd64 installer or an i386 installer. if you want to have funky adobe flash and such things you probably want to use the i386 one |
| 00:14.25 | mfrisch | bzed: I think I have seen servers with them..I forget from who |
| 00:14.35 | jelly-home | HP |
| 00:14.53 | mfrisch | I was thinking dell ;-) |
| 00:15.32 | xR | cheers fellas let you know how it goes this afternoon |
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| 00:15.50 | arrenlex | xR: I advise you to run 32-bit if you want flash, wmv, realplayer, or wine... |
| 00:15.53 | bzed | mfrisch: hp some some for sure, too. sgi, too... |
| 00:16.08 | bzed | arrenlex: there's wine in amd64 now |
| 00:16.22 | bzed | arrenlex: in unstable |
| 00:16.27 | arrenlex | bzed: How did they manage that? Aren't all the windows apps linked against 32-bit dlls? |
| 00:16.38 | jelly-home | bzed: but does it do 32bit apps? |
| 00:16.44 | mfrisch | bzed: I worked for a airline it had a "server room" with some it ran its rocking 500gb data store |
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| 00:16.53 | Marenz | i just did apt-get source paketname now how to compile it ? |
| 00:17.31 | BlueParrot | I thought that depended on the package ... |
| 00:17.31 | jetscreamer | paketname ? |
| 00:18.04 | bzed | mfrisch: 500gb O_o |
| 00:18.07 | Marenz | found it already |
| 00:18.11 | Marenz | ty anyway |
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| 00:18.20 | bzed | arrenlex, jelly-home: sure. It's a 32bit program |
| 00:18.23 | bzed | libpthread.so.0 => /lib32/libpthread.so.0 (0xf7e4d000) |
| 00:18.31 | bzed | and so on ;) |
| 00:19.00 | jelly-home | bzed: oh, I guess that would make sense |
| 00:19.11 | mfrisch | bzed: I had to tell them that they make one disk that was as much as their whole thing, but it was old scsi it was fast. |
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| 00:19.35 | arrenlex | bzed: Then what prevents w32codecs from running on 64? |
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| 00:19.59 | jetscreamer | it's 32bit? |
| 00:19.59 | mystic_jade | arrenlex do you install the ia32? |
| 00:20.19 | arrenlex | mystic_jade: Pardon? |
| 00:20.26 | mfrisch | arrenlex: nothing except dpkg..you can change that force that and have a unpure install |
| 00:20.29 | jelly-home | arrenlex: nothing if you used them with a 32bit app |
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| 00:20.31 | bzed | arrenlex: mplayer beeing build in 64bit? |
| 00:20.52 | arrenlex | bzed: Oh. I understand. |
| 00:20.52 | mfrisch | mplayer has been in amd-64 |
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| 00:21.17 | mystic_jade | well the packet to run 32 bits aplicatins in amd 64 for exemple |
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| 00:23.12 | mystic_jade | :\ |
| 00:23.13 | bzed | mfrisch: mplayer is in amd64, but it's compiled as 64bit app, so it can';t use 32bit libs |
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| 00:24.00 | GoAuLd | i want upgraded packages, im in testing but freeze :-\ |
| 00:24.06 | mfrisch | bzed: don't think mplayer uses w32codecs anymore but no you probally could not |
| 00:24.24 | Vertigo_ | i think i've break my windows install while resizing it |
| 00:24.24 | mystic_jade | well i have mplayerin one amd64 working fine :x |
| 00:24.42 | mfrisch | mystic_jade: me too. |
| 00:25.55 | mystic_jade | well i put the 32 bits here the codecs |
| 00:26.36 | mystic_jade | there are very few codecs 64 bits |
| 00:26.41 | mystic_jade | o think :\ |
| 00:26.43 | mystic_jade | i think :\ |
| 00:26.56 | mfrisch | mystic_jade: more than there use to be. |
| 00:27.40 | dererk | I was wondering if someone recommends me a safe tool to regenerate a damaged hdd tree |
| 00:27.57 | cusco | damaged hdd tree? |
| 00:27.59 | ScribbleJ | What is an hdd tree? |
| 00:28.02 | dererk | grrr |
| 00:28.37 | ScribbleJ | A partition? |
| 00:28.37 | dererk | partition tree * |
| 00:28.37 | mfrisch | fsck? |
| 00:28.37 | Vertigo_ | a frontdoor tree |
| 00:28.37 | cusco | lol |
| 00:28.37 | mystic_jade | hummm :\ :/ |
| 00:28.37 | ScribbleJ | Well, parted and fdisk are safe tools to generate a parition tree. |
| 00:28.38 | Vertigo_ | a car crashed in his tree |
| 00:28.38 | cusco | /proc/partitions maybe? |
| 00:28.38 | Vertigo_ | and now his tree is damaged |
| 00:28.40 | ScribbleJ | But if you don't knwo where your parition boundaries are you're going to have problems. |
| 00:28.58 | dererk | ok, ok, let's drop jokes :) |
| 00:29.10 | dererk | I've my hdd damaged |
| 00:29.16 | dererk | and I can't access the data |
| 00:29.26 | ScribbleJ | How many partitions did you have? |
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| 00:29.42 | ScribbleJ | Is all your important data on the first one, if you had more than one? |
| 00:29.42 | dererk | The data is in there, but the partitions are some kind of corrupted |
| 00:29.58 | ScribbleJ | Are you sure it is the partiions that are corrupted and nto the file allocation tables? |
| 00:30.02 | dererk | ScribbleJ, 2, and I think yes |
| 00:30.07 | Flak | hello |
| 00:30.12 | mfrisch | dererk: do a fdisk -l |
| 00:30.44 | mystic_jade | bzed do you try to install ia31-lib ? |
| 00:30.53 | dererk | mfrisch, I don't have any available machine where to setup it |
| 00:30.57 | dererk | so I can't do that |
| 00:30.57 | mystic_jade | ia32-lib |
| 00:31.04 | bzed | mystic_jade: why try? I'm using it since weeks |
| 00:31.14 | ScribbleJ | If you are *certain* that recreating the partition will fix yuor problem (which I doubt) then you can simply use fdisk to make a new partition table, and give it all to partition 1, set the type correctly, and you shoudl be able to read it, although if you had stuff in partition 2 it'll get"hidden" that way. |
| 00:31.21 | dererk | mfrisch, but the partitions are correct |
| 00:31.31 | dererk | the problem is that the are some kind corrupted |
| 00:31.32 | Flak | what your name |
| 00:31.42 | dererk | 'cause it thinks the are swap ones |
| 00:31.53 | mystic_jade | bzed erm is not you thta are having problems to run the 32 bits codecs in mplayer? |
| 00:32.03 | dererk | Ok, let me set it up |
| 00:32.12 | dererk | and we would see it clearly |
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| 00:32.42 | mfrisch | dererk: sounds like your /etc/fstab is messed up not the partions or mbr. |
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| 00:33.06 | bzed | mystic_jade: probably you want to go and learn about the differences between 32 and 64bit programs and how linking works |
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| 00:33.58 | bzed | mystic_jade: installing ia31-libs will not allow 64bit programs to use 32bit libraries, it'll just allow 32bit programs to run at all. |
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| 00:34.08 | mystic_jade | bzed i know what the diferences are thank you ... just a litle confused about the question and what the problem about the codecs 32 and mplayer but ok |
| 00:34.32 | mystic_jade | bzed whatever |
| 00:34.42 | dererk | mfrisch, forget the fstab :) The hdd doesn't even go throw grub |
| 00:34.50 | mystic_jade | well need to go now cya stal well :) |
| 00:35.03 | mfrisch | dererk: man we need more info to help |
| 00:35.05 | jetscreamer | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html#binary_codecs |
| 00:35.43 | dererk | mfrisch, I know, I know, I'm setting a machine up to access the hdd over a livecd |
| 00:35.58 | dererk | wait 5 minutes I manage to |
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| 00:37.57 | karsten | Trying to install etch via netinst, Athlon 64, getting message that mirror doesn't support architure |
| 00:38.05 | karsten | Suggestions as to what to look at? |
| 00:38.31 | tvynr | karsten: A different mirror? Which one are you using? |
| 00:38.55 | karsten | tvynr: ftp.debian.org |
| 00:39.18 | mfrisch | karsten: does it update |
| 00:39.23 | karsten | CPU model: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ |
| 00:39.36 | tvynr | karsten: Yeah, kinda figured... worth a shot, though. Are you entering the info manually or picking it up out of the list? |
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| 00:40.47 | dererk | mfrisch, ScribbleJ: http://paste.debian.net/24383 |
| 00:41.01 | dererk | hda5 there is a swap partition |
| 00:41.44 | ScribbleJ | Well, nto according to your partiion table! Heh |
| 00:41.54 | mfrisch | dererk so the partitions are fine it could be grub or fstab |
| 00:42.29 | dererk | here: http://paste.debian.net/24384 |
| 00:42.32 | Vertigo_ | g2g |
| 00:42.33 | Vertigo_ | +3 |
| 00:42.34 | Vertigo_ | <3 |
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| 00:43.04 | ScribbleJ | dererk, sounds like smoething hosed your file systems, not your partition table. |
| 00:43.09 | ScribbleJ | Although the partitiont able's a bit off too. |
| 00:43.15 | ScribbleJ | How'd this happen? |
| 00:43.35 | ScribbleJ | I'm going to bet your data on hda1 is toast if the os thinks it's swap. |
| 00:43.35 | mfrisch | very carefuly |
| 00:43.38 | dererk | a powersupply failure |
| 00:43.45 | ScribbleJ | That's nutty. |
| 00:43.51 | dererk | I know |
| 00:43.52 | dererk | and |
| 00:43.56 | dererk | believe it or not |
| 00:44.07 | dererk | THAT afternoon I was going to backup it |
| 00:44.26 | dererk | so, you realise I've no backup :\ |
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| 00:45.03 | mfrisch | dererk I think you are realizing that |
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| 00:45.09 | omg0 | bzed: |
| 00:45.10 | ScribbleJ | Well, I hope you didn't ahve any valuable data. YOu could grep through the /dev/hda1 for some of your stuff, maybe there is a way to try to peice it together by hand if it's not overwritten already, but... sounds like a mess and it's certainly be beyond anything I've ver tried. |
| 00:45.20 | ScribbleJ | If you were me, you'd be writing the data off at this point. |
| 00:45.49 | dererk | I was thinking about a dd of every partition to another hdd |
| 00:45.55 | dererk | and to cross the fingers |
| 00:46.05 | ScribbleJ | That will copy all the bits, but they will be the same broken bits. |
| 00:46.05 | dererk | but, I certainly have no faith on it |
| 00:46.09 | omg0 | Unfortunately I keep getting interupted in my quest to install sun java the debain way. |
| 00:46.59 | dererk | ScribbleJ, unfortunatelly, yes |
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| 00:47.09 | bzed | omg0: hmm? |
| 00:47.26 | dererk | the most important were the ssl certs |
| 00:47.33 | dererk | I can't get them back again :\ |
| 00:47.37 | omg0 | bzed: I tried the command I got this morning "apt-get install sun-java5-bin sun-java5-demo sun-java5-jdk sun-java5-jre " |
| 00:47.51 | karsten | Install disk is "Debian NGU/Linux testing "Etch" - Official Beta amd64 xfce-CD" |
| 00:47.53 | bzed | omg0: sorry, that can;t work as you're on sarge |
| 00:47.56 | ScribbleJ | Isn't th debian way to install sun java to install the installer package and let it do it? |
| 00:48.00 | karsten | Released 20070317 |
| 00:48.02 | bzed | karsten: wtf? |
| 00:48.13 | bzed | karsten: xfce-CD? |
| 00:48.26 | dererk | bzed, yes |
| 00:48.33 | mfrisch | bzed: ubuntu |
| 00:48.45 | dererk | bzed, all packages to install xfce ready available there on that cd |
| 00:48.52 | dererk | mfrisch, ? :\ |
| 00:49.03 | bzed | karsten: why don;t you just use a normal debian etch installer? |
| 00:49.11 | dererk | ScribbleJ, mfrisch, so, be honest, I'm fucked up, right? |
| 00:49.12 | karsten | bzed: i just work here. |
| 00:49.20 | bzed | omg0: did you add contrib to your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:49.25 | karsten | bzed: How's x86.64 work for amd64? |
| 00:49.28 | mfrisch | dererk if you have to ask |
| 00:49.28 | ScribbleJ | dererk, yeah, hey, is that really a 3-4GB drive? |
| 00:49.39 | dererk | ScribbleJ, yes |
| 00:49.40 | krekon | At vsftp can I make a user to have access to a directory which is at the same level of his own directory? |
| 00:49.44 | ScribbleJ | Is the supervaluable data you'd want to save mostly ... "Text"? |
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| 00:50.03 | bzed | karsten: you mean running a 64bit kernel with a 32bit environment? |
| 00:50.16 | dererk | it's a very very old box, comming from the first days of woody testing :P |
| 00:50.26 | dererk | so, about 7 years running |
| 00:50.28 | dererk | or so |
| 00:50.31 | ScribbleJ | Like I said, if the data is there at all, you could search through /dev/hda1 for some likely strings, maybe copy out something dritical and irreplacable. If you find some strings on /dev/hda1 that look salvageable, then there's a possibility *some* of the ext2/3 fs is still there. |
| 00:50.43 | bzed | omg0: *poke* did you add contrib to your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:50.53 | ScribbleJ | If *some* of the ext2/3 iss till there, then in theory, you could find the first sector of a file you wanted to save and get the whole thing off. |
| 00:51.00 | karsten | bzed: It's an amd64 CPU. I'm at an installfest with a set of Debian install disks provided by someone who's usually got his shit together. |
| 00:51.10 | ScribbleJ | However, actually doing that is something I only understand in theory... I couldn't help you past what I just said. |
| 00:51.16 | ScribbleJ | The bottom line is: yes, you're fucked. |
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| 00:51.31 | karsten | bzed: My first read of the x86.64 disk was that the AMD64 might be the better choice. |
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| 00:51.53 | dererk | ScribbleJ, sorry, I thought I mentioned it was a reiserfs FS |
| 00:51.57 | ScribbleJ | OH |
| 00:51.58 | ScribbleJ | HAHA |
| 00:52.00 | ScribbleJ | Okay, well |
| 00:52.02 | omg0 | bzed: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 00:52.05 | ScribbleJ | A) That explains everything |
| 00:52.07 | bzed | karsten: all i've used on amd64 is amd64. but for desktops, you wanna install i386 probably, if you add 64bist stuff later is not the problem |
| 00:52.10 | ScribbleJ | And B) You're totally, totally fucked. |
| 00:52.17 | dererk | :\ |
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| 00:52.19 | mfrisch | ScribbleJ: that explains everything! |
| 00:52.21 | karsten | bzed: OK. |
| 00:52.24 | ScribbleJ | This is the kind of instability that reiser is shunned for. |
| 00:52.32 | GmLB | are there any gui partition/disk editing utils in debian? How about that nice one in the installer, can that be run post-instal? |
| 00:52.37 | karsten | bzed: OK, I think that's what we're doing here. |
| 00:52.41 | ScribbleJ | I wish I'd noticed that up front. |
| 00:52.41 | karsten | GmLB: gparted |
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| 00:52.49 | mfrisch | ScribbleJ: expecially 7 year old reiser ;-) |
| 00:52.51 | Stereo | hello guys |
| 00:52.54 | ScribbleJ | Yeah. |
| 00:53.08 | GmLB | karsten: thanks. |
| 00:53.11 | dererk | no no, I updated the fs some years ago |
| 00:53.16 | ScribbleJ | I suppose it would be in bad taste to comment on how reiser has murdered another... hard drive. |
| 00:53.18 | bzed | omg0: apt-get update; apt-get install java-package |
| 00:53.27 | dererk | I meant it was a hdd that worked a lot among years |
| 00:53.45 | mfrisch | ScribbleJ: I think it happens to everyone once |
| 00:53.53 | dererk | ScribbleJ, I'm really sorry, I though I mentioned before |
| 00:54.04 | bahatpc | neither apt-cdrom nor synaptic manage to find the DVD I used to install the system (although gnome mounts it just fine), any ideas what could be going on? |
| 00:54.10 | ScribbleJ | Okay, either it WAS in bad taste, or just no one follows current events. |
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| 00:54.32 | ScribbleJ | Hans Reiser was investigated a while back under suspicion of having murdered his wife. |
| 00:54.34 | dererk | I see |
| 00:54.36 | ScribbleJ | That' the joke, see? |
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| 00:54.42 | krekon | knows anyone about ftp? |
| 00:54.44 | bzed | bahatpc: I'd not us a dvd at all, I'd update from the net |
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| 00:54.50 | bzed | !anyone krekon |
| 00:54.58 | bzed | !tell krekon about anyone |
| 00:55.17 | dererk | ScribbleJ, mfrisch I'm grateful that you guys tried to help me anyway |
| 00:55.19 | bahatpc | bzed: I would as well, but my gbit ethernet is not recognized, and I need to compile the driver with gcc |
| 00:55.25 | bahatpc | but I can't install gcc ... |
| 00:55.26 | dererk | I know that it was partially pissed off |
| 00:55.39 | ScribbleJ | I'm srry, dererk, that kind of thing sucks. |
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| 00:55.47 | bzed | bahatpc: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 00:55.49 | dererk | ScribbleJ, yes yes, they are |
| 00:55.51 | iVan | !ru |
| 00:55.52 | dpkg | hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 00:55.55 | bzed | bahatpc: check if the paths are all correct and so on |
| 00:55.55 | dererk | but, it was totally my fault |
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| 00:56.05 | ScribbleJ | I know it is stupid to say now, but I wouldn't recommend ReiserFS. Heh. |
| 00:56.09 | dererk | Backups are REALLY a tedious work |
| 00:56.19 | dererk | but they can safe your neck |
| 00:56.53 | karsten | bzed: Looks like this is happening. |
| 00:56.53 | ScribbleJ | Dererk, considering you are OK on 3GB drives, you could easily build a literal RAID |
| 00:56.53 | mfrisch | dererk a good backup is automatic |
| 00:56.54 | dererk | ScribbleJ, believe it or not: |
| 00:57.00 | bahatpc | bzed: the security repositories and a cdrom:, added by the installer I guess |
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| 00:57.00 | dererk | # cat /proc/mdstat |
| 00:57.00 | dererk | Personalities : [raid1] |
| 00:57.01 | dererk | md0 : active raid1 hdd1[0] hda2[1] |
| 00:57.01 | dererk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:57.01 | bzed | bahatpc: which kind of NIC do you have that it is not supported? did you install debian sarge? if yes, you probably just want ton install etch instead |
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| 00:57.07 | ScribbleJ | Hah |
| 00:57.11 | dererk | he |
| 00:57.12 | bzed | !paste |
| 00:57.12 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 00:57.22 | ScribbleJ | You had a RAID - mirrored? |
| 00:57.23 | dererk | it was 4 lines at all |
| 00:57.28 | ScribbleJ | and both drives got screwed? |
| 00:57.32 | bzed | one too much der0b |
| 00:57.32 | bzed | dererk: |
| 00:57.33 | dererk | no, I had to rebuild the sistem |
| 00:57.36 | dererk | system* |
| 00:57.38 | bahatpc | bzed: attansic gbit, just made it into 2.6.20 |
| 00:57.53 | bahatpc | bzed: no, I'm trying out etch |
| 00:57.54 | dererk | bzed, I know, I thougth the bot would that at the fifth |
| 00:58.08 | dererk | ScribbleJ, so, I rebuilt it using raid1 |
| 00:58.09 | bzed | bahatpc: ouch, i've never heard about that one. why don't you just build a 2.6.20 on another box and install that? |
| 00:58.20 | dererk | and, yes, mfrisch |
| 00:58.26 | ScribbleJ | Ah, good move. |
| 00:58.33 | dererk | I'm going to invest some time doing it automatically |
| 00:58.37 | dererk | I've to admitt it |
| 00:58.51 | bzed | omg0: if you ALWAYS need 15 minutes to reply to me, I'll be in bed before you have your java |
| 00:58.52 | bahatpc | bzed: that's my backup plan, I'm curious to know why synaptic fails on the DVD |
| 00:58.55 | dererk | I learnt a lot from this situation |
| 00:59.07 | bzed | bahatpc: did you check your sources.list? |
| 00:59.13 | dererk | unfortunatelly, I got a huge kick-ass on it's way |
| 00:59.20 | omg0 | bzed |
| 00:59.29 | bzed | what? |
| 00:59.35 | dererk | ScribbleJ, mfrisch, thanks really for your time |
| 00:59.39 | ScribbleJ | It's good to be able to learn from a bad situation. Like when my brother caught me sleeping with his girl... I learned a lot. |
| 00:59.42 | ScribbleJ | Anytime. |
| 00:59.43 | omg0 | bzed: sorry. I double check before I report back |
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| 00:59.55 | mfrisch | ScribbleJ: good example |
| 00:59.56 | dererk | ScribbleJ, lol |
| 01:00.01 | ScribbleJ | heheh |
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| 01:00.09 | bzed | omg0: nothign to double check on executing a command once |
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| 01:00.22 | rpc | ScribbleJ lmao |
| 01:00.27 | bahatpc | bzed: yes, the two valid entries are a HTTP mirror and a cdrom: entry |
| 01:00.37 | rpc | ScribbleJ you learned alot about girls i believe ;) |
| 01:00.54 | lewis2 | I am having difficulty getting mono (version 1.1.12) working with debian etch. I have ia32-libs and libglib2.0-0 installed. Any ideas on: mono: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:01.02 | bzed | bahatpc: does that cdrom entry look right? or is it probably commented out? or anythign else wrong. you probably also want to comemnt out the http stuff |
| 01:01.03 | lewis2 | the file does indeed exist in /usr/lib |
| 01:01.24 | bzed | lewis2: have you isntalled the mono which is shipped with etch? |
| 01:01.36 | sciboy | Leweracja, ia32-libs? I thought that was for 64-bit users? |
| 01:01.37 | lewis2 | nope |
| 01:01.41 | lewis2 | I need to use a specific version |
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| 01:01.54 | omg0 | bzed: Something was installed. It installed and set up the package |
| 01:02.09 | bzed | lewis2: apt-get install ia32-libs-gtk |
| 01:02.28 | ScribbleJ | $ dpkg-query -S /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 |
| 01:02.28 | ScribbleJ | libglib2.0-0: /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 |
| 01:02.32 | lewis2 | ok - was libglib2.0-0 the wrong thing? |
| 01:02.36 | bahatpc | bzed: I tried this: remove the cdrom entry, run apt-cdrom add - this fails. Using -the -d <mountpoint> flag works, and a new cdrom: entry is added for the DVD in my drive. synaptic and aptitude still fail though |
| 01:02.37 | GmLB | how do i switch from gnome to kde in etch? |
| 01:02.47 | bahatpc | bzed: everything else is commented out |
| 01:02.49 | bzed | bahatpc: does apt-get work? |
| 01:03.11 | bzed | omg0: now go to java.sun.com and download the tar.gz of the java version you'd liek to have. save it to /tmp |
| 01:03.14 | ScribbleJ | lewis2, does /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 exist on your system? |
| 01:03.17 | lewis2 | yes |
| 01:03.19 | sciboy | lewis2, 32-bit programs don't like 64-bit libraries, in most cases it'll pretend it's not there at all. |
| 01:03.19 | bzed | bahatpc: does apt-get work? |
| 01:03.29 | lewis2 | ah ok |
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| 01:03.34 | bzed | lewis2: mono needs the 32bit lib of that |
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| 01:03.37 | lewis2 | Package ia32-libs-gtk is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 01:03.41 | bahatpc | bzed: apparently it is ignoring the CD ("Ign cdrom: ...") |
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| 01:04.12 | bzed | lewis2: you need unstable for that package |
| 01:04.19 | lewis2 | oh |
| 01:04.21 | bzed | bahatpc: probably you need to add an extra path? |
| 01:04.25 | sciboy | Debian Unstable AMD64: ia32-libs-gtk: emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 |
| 01:04.58 | bahatpc | bahatpc: I'm not following, could you elaborate? |
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| 01:05.15 | bzed | lewis2: http://pastebin.ca/408692 |
| 01:05.21 | eilker | !irssi |
| 01:05.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 01:05.31 | lewis2 | bzed: reading... |
| 01:06.22 | bzed | lewis2: if you've done that you can jsut apt-get install the ia32 gtk package |
| 01:06.37 | bzed | lewis2: ah, apt-get update before installing |
| 01:06.40 | lewis2 | can I just download the one .deb though? |
| 01:07.07 | lewis2 | http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ia32-libs-gtk/ia32-libs-gtk_1.0_amd64.deb |
| 01:07.25 | lewis2 | heh - 7.91Mb/sec |
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| 01:08.01 | bzed | lewis2: you can, if it doesn;t have any other dependencies |
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| 01:08.23 | lewis2 | I installed it, mono now works. thank you greatly for helping me with this headache. |
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| 01:09.33 | eilker | could anyone share his source.list pls ? my sources list has only main contrib, i even dont have non-free |
| 01:09.48 | eilker | etch here |
| 01:10.35 | centrx | I don't have non-free either |
| 01:10.48 | centrx | but all you have to to add non-free is add at the end of the line: |
| 01:10.54 | centrx | non-free |
| 01:10.58 | centrx | you probably also want contrib |
| 01:11.48 | bzed | eilker: as centrx sai, just add non-free to all lines and run apt-get update |
| 01:12.02 | bzed | omg0: *poke* |
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| 01:13.07 | eilker | bzed: ok let me try |
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| 01:14.50 | eilker | bzed: it still cant find lynx and irssi |
| 01:15.11 | bzed | eilker: paste your /atc/apt/sources.list into a pastebin please |
| 01:15.18 | bzed | !tell eilker about paste |
| 01:16.22 | bzed | eilker: lynx is not in testing btw, I'd recommend links or w3m |
| 01:16.58 | bzed | eilker: but irssi is just in main, so there must be some other problem |
| 01:17.33 | eilker | bzed: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:17.40 | eilker | bzed: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:17.46 | eilker | i have only these |
| 01:18.07 | h3sp4wn | 2.8.5-2sarge2.2 0 \n 500 http://ftp2.de.debian.org etch/main Packages |
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| 01:18.14 | bzed | eilker: you're missing a normal one but you have security twice... next time use a pastebin please |
| 01:18.15 | h3sp4wn | for lynx it is there |
| 01:18.31 | bzed | oh |
| 01:18.33 | bzed | I'm blind |
| 01:18.34 | bzed | sorry |
| 01:18.44 | bzed | I'd still recommend links |
| 01:18.51 | eilker | bzed> what should i add ? |
| 01:18.52 | NefariousPrior | Is there a command that will monitor the size of a file or dir ? du just tells and exits. 8-( |
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| 01:19.18 | bzed | eilker: http://pastebin.ca/408711 |
| 01:19.24 | h3sp4wn | links2 is pretty good if you have an accelerated framebuffer (no need to bother with X then) |
| 01:19.47 | bzed | h3sp4wn: definitely. and it's damn fast anyway |
| 01:20.00 | bzed | h3sp4wn: I've built that |
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| 01:20.06 | bzed | h3sp4wn: on solaris ;D |
| 01:20.21 | omg0 | bzed I downloaded the java package to /tmp |
| 01:20.49 | h3sp4wn | bzed: Not fast enough for me |
| 01:21.00 | Miles_Prower | in Thunar, how come when i select a group of folders AND files, the rightclick menu will not allow me to show 'properties' for them? |
| 01:21.12 | Miles_Prower | I wish to find the size of just those selected items. |
| 01:21.15 | comsa | aptitude install netsellect-apt |
| 01:21.40 | bzed | omg0: now use your normal USER account, NOT root, and do this: cd /tmp; make-jpkg thepackageyou'vedownloaded.tar.gz |
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| 01:22.09 | bzed | omg0: err sorry |
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| 01:23.02 | bzed | omg0: well try it, if it complains about not beeing root, start it with fakeroot make-jpkg filename.tar.gz - but I think it'll just work as needed |
| 01:23.10 | bzed | omg0: or as I said before |
| 01:23.24 | HostilePenguin | how do i get /var/log messages to dump to messages.0 and have a new message log |
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| 01:23.40 | bzed | HostilePenguin: logrotate will do that automatically for you |
| 01:23.44 | h3sp4wn | bzed: Is that particularly difficult ? (building it on solaris) |
| 01:24.05 | HostilePenguin | is that a command? |
| 01:24.31 | bzed | HostilePenguin: that's a program which is run regulary. automatically. |
| 01:24.41 | legitdeal | guys if i install debian from goodbye-microsoft my partition of windows will broken? |
| 01:25.05 | bzed | h3sp4wn: not sure which version i've tried, but it was pretty easy (well, mainly because we've maintained a TON of gnu stuff on the machines anyway - I think it wouldn;t have beed that easy on a normal solaris box |
| 01:25.11 | HostilePenguin | thought i might be able to do it myself |
| 01:25.17 | cusco | legitdeal: you will have a option to partition from the debian installer |
| 01:25.23 | str4` | sup |
| 01:25.25 | eelmoo | hello |
| 01:25.26 | bzed | HostilePenguin: move the file and rstart syslogd |
| 01:25.34 | HostilePenguin | ty |
| 01:25.37 | bzed | legitdeal: always make a backup, though |
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| 01:25.45 | cusco | actually legitdeal you should have a partition ready for debian, or unpartitioned space |
| 01:26.04 | bzed | cusco: the installer can resize now.. I think... |
| 01:26.31 | cusco | yeah.. I also think so |
| 01:27.24 | eilker | bzed: it stays % 0 logging in, when i do update , i mean that ftp |
| 01:28.03 | eilker | bzed: may be i should wait more |
| 01:28.50 | BlueParrot | Is the recomended way to upgrade debian between versions still to simply change sources'list and then do a dist-upgrade ? ( after backing up important stuff etc..) |
| 01:28.53 | eilker | h3sp4wn> yeah links2 is better than lynx |
| 01:29.13 | BlueParrot | *sources.list |
| 01:30.05 | h3sp4wn | eilker: generally it is but you get the occasional site you can tell they have checked it with lynx (and it looks wrong in links2 or elinks) |
| 01:30.24 | eilker | BlueParrot> i am really new to debian , but i suggest you to read official declarations |
| 01:30.26 | Xenguy | BlueParrot: pretty much yes... |
| 01:30.49 | Xenguy | BlueParrot: I try to consult the IRC channel bot also if I can (for instructions) |
| 01:30.51 | eilker | h3sp4wn> but u can use your mouse in links2 |
| 01:30.58 | BlueParrot | eilker: yea , it is just that the documentation seems to have been written for woddy->sarge which was some time ago ... |
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| 01:31.20 | h3sp4wn | eilker: are you using it on a console ? |
| 01:31.28 | BlueParrot | hmm, the bot you say |
| 01:31.30 | BlueParrot | !help |
| 01:31.45 | Xenguy | BlueParrot: sometimes there are exceptions, but basically the process you described is correct |
| 01:32.00 | BlueParrot | uhm, some times ? |
| 01:32.03 | Xenguy | !sarge->etch |
| 01:32.04 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 01:32.13 | eilker | h3sp4wn> yeah i used to use it in konsole |
| 01:32.28 | eilker | h3sp4wn> and my debian has no gui |
| 01:32.31 | bzed | eilker: change the ftp to http then |
| 01:32.39 | bzed | eilker: seems there's somethign buggy |
| 01:32.40 | h3sp4wn | eilker: I ment a vt - you can cut and paste with gpm anyway |
| 01:32.47 | h3sp4wn | eilker: as in out of X |
| 01:32.51 | bzed | eilker: http://ftp.debian.org for example |
| 01:33.03 | BlueParrot | Ok. Nice |
| 01:33.18 | eilker | bzed: now ok, downloading thanx |
| 01:33.21 | Xenguy | BlueParrot: good luck :-) |
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| 01:34.18 | eilker | h3sp4wn> i installed only base system |
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| 01:34.46 | omg0 | bzed: it had to be ran as fakeroot but its looking georgious |
| 01:35.39 | bzed | omg0: fine, you should have a javasomething.deb now, as root do: dpkg -i javasomething.deb |
| 01:35.41 | h3sp4wn | eilker: Its annoying that is just uses the first line in the fb modes file (not the current resolution its running at though) thats directfb though and its probably fixed (this was a while ago with sid I used it) |
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| 01:36.22 | h3sp4wn | eilker: with acceleration its nice to use at high res (I preferred it to X - but then changed video cards so I am using X) |
| 01:36.53 | BlueParrot | Xenguy: oh I am already on etch. I just figured I might want to upgrade to testing once etch is released |
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| 01:37.21 | eilker | h3sp4wn> i am trying to kick X |
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| 01:37.47 | h3sp4wn | eilker: what videocard ? |
| 01:38.08 | bzed | BlueParrot: you can just change your /etc/apt/sources.list to testing then - you're runnign testing now |
| 01:38.48 | eilker | h3sp4wn> onboard , intel. using i810 driver |
| 01:38.48 | h3sp4wn | eilker: I dunno how good the intelfb driver is (radeonfb is great) |
| 01:38.48 | bzed | BlueParrot: just as a hint - as soon as etch is released and testing nto frozen anymore, there'll be a TON of new packages drop into testing, you don;t want to upgrade on the first days :P |
| 01:38.55 | Xenguy | BlueParrot: what bzed said |
| 01:38.56 | eilker | h3sp4wn> it even works with beryl |
| 01:39.14 | BlueParrot | bzed: yea, I figured. |
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| 01:39.24 | h3sp4wn | eilker: You cannot run beryl on the framebuffer |
| 01:39.27 | h3sp4wn | afaik |
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| 01:40.41 | eilker | h3sp4wn> yeah u r right, i meant vga's card performance |
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| 01:42.00 | h3sp4wn | eilker: Thats not the issue though (my current nvidia has good performance but sucks on the framebuffer - older ati works great in X and framebuffer but its a much slower card |
| 01:42.01 | omg0 | bzed: I ran the package "javasomething.bzed" and it didn't work. Just kidding!!!!!!!!! {-) |
| 01:42.31 | frankr | personal preference / best way to rip dvds in lnux? |
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| 01:43.56 | alamo | frankr: is that legal? |
| 01:44.14 | frankr | alamo, is it illegal to backup my own dvds? |
| 01:44.21 | alamo | hehe |
| 01:44.30 | eilker | h3sp4wn> yeah may be gpu effects it |
| 01:44.48 | alamo | frankr: do they allow you to make a backup? |
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| 01:45.08 | BlueParrot | alamo: it depends on which country you are in. In the US the DMCA will get you for telling others how to do it, but it is legal if you figure it out on your own |
| 01:45.12 | frankr | alamo, I could also be backing up home made dvds of family videos |
| 01:45.21 | BlueParrot | in Sweden you have the right under law to make a personal backup |
| 01:45.29 | frankr | or ripping from minidvds from one of those sony cams |
| 01:45.43 | frankr | You can't just assume I'm doing something illegal because I want to rip a dvd |
| 01:45.47 | alamo | frankr: i think... nobody owns its own dvds |
| 01:46.49 | BlueParrot | alamo: again it depends on your country of residence |
| 01:47.05 | alamo | BlueParrot: oh |
| 01:47.32 | BlueParrot | alamo: many countries has laws that will trumph the standard US EULA |
| 01:47.45 | alamo | BlueParrot: for example, a pirate country? |
| 01:47.49 | bzed | !slap omg0 |
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| 01:48.34 | BlueParrot | alamo: naaa, copyright infringement is still illegal , there is just sane limits to how much you can limit consumer's rights in order to enforce it |
| 01:49.12 | alamo | 0.0 |
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| 01:50.33 | BlueParrot | alamo: essentially I think Swedish law means you are entitled to make exactly one backup copy for personal use only. |
| 01:50.37 | haggz | Even in the U.S.A. a lot of legal scholars believe that existing fair use and privacy doctrine overrules the DMCA when it comes to purely personal use of your data. |
| 01:50.43 | BlueParrot | alamo: that doesn't mean distributors have to make it easy for you tho |
| 01:51.29 | BlueParrot | haggz: I thought the DMCA didn't outlaw you from cracking a copyright protection scheme provided you never tell anyone else how to do it ? |
| 01:51.45 | BlueParrot | *cough* first amendment *cough* |
| 01:51.58 | alamo | the fair-use-human-right would be killed by DRM |
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| 01:52.28 | BlueParrot | alamo: it depends |
| 01:52.36 | omg0 | bzed: Unpacking sun-j2re1.5 (from sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update11_i386.deb) ... Setting up sun-j2re1.5 (1.5.0+update11) ... All done |
| 01:52.57 | BlueParrot | alamo: if teh DRM is protected by law, then yes, if anyone is allowed to break it provided they manage it gets more interesting |
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| 01:55.47 | bzed | omg0: you've installed the runtime environment, congrats :) if you need something to develope, download the jdk and do the fakeroot make-jpkg with that package |
| 01:57.41 | asc | I wonder how risky upgrading libc6 would be |
| 01:57.56 | bzed | asc: from testing to unstable? |
| 01:58.10 | n3kl | What is the difference between jack and alsa? |
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| 01:58.30 | asc | From whatever Etch uses to something more recent, it's a dependency issue. |
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| 01:59.07 | asc | Hmm, better yet, is there a cache of outdated package versions? |
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| 02:00.31 | omg0 | bzed: omg truly appreciates your help. You were very patient. I am truly greatful |
| 02:01.02 | bzed | omg0: no problem at all :) |
| 02:01.14 | omg0 | I am now ready to tackle macromedia flash |
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| 02:01.48 | HostilePenguin | i get this on my router stats dropping suspicious packets thats the result of ping and finger ns.zjnbptt.net.cn |
| 02:02.23 | asc | Right... what I'm looking for is libc6 2.4-1 or greater |
| 02:02.23 | HostilePenguin | im mean lookup |
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| 02:05.46 | killfill | hello |
| 02:05.47 | kth | Hi, how do I prevent gnome from starting on both :0 and :1 screens? Is it some debian script or should I be looking on gnome settings? |
| 02:05.57 | killfill | anyone uses SDHC? |
| 02:06.08 | killfill | will 8G SDHC work with the current driver? |
| 02:06.19 | wookienz | anyone point me in the right driection of allowing my debina mailserver to be accepted by hotmail and gmail so i can send emails to them directly? |
| 02:06.28 | omg0 | bzed: enouf sent me a dpkg about sun java. It made me smile. Here is what it said: non-free is always "evil" Hopefully I will be confident as enoug to become a purist. :-) |
| 02:06.33 | ScribbleJ | Google for SPF. |
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| 02:08.24 | bzed | wookienz: get your reverse and forward dns entries right |
| 02:08.37 | bzed | ScribbleJ: youdon;t need spf for your domain |
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| 02:09.02 | ScribbleJ | I just assumed. :/ |
| 02:09.08 | bzed | wookienz: http://www.dnsreport.com/ check your domain name there |
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| 02:10.07 | bzed | kth: sounds like gnome settings, debian doesn;t do this by default |
| 02:10.14 | wookienz | bzed, thanks. |
| 02:10.41 | bzed | killfill: they should work, yes. didn't test it, though |
| 02:10.47 | bzed | !tell killfill about hardware |
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| 02:11.57 | killfill | okey |
| 02:12.16 | killfill | bzed: becouse ill buy one for my furutenew nokia800.. :-P |
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| 02:16.48 | cusco | dudes, what is the package I need when ""checking for ruby_run in -lruby... no // configure: error: Ruby library not found." ? |
| 02:17.41 | Decepticon | how updated is the software for etch, via apt/synaptic, gonna be vs something like ubuntu? |
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| 02:17.58 | dembug | apt-cache search ruby | grep dev ? |
| 02:17.59 | dembug | :> |
| 02:18.15 | markybob | Decepticon, debian's almost always older. and thus more stable |
| 02:18.28 | Decepticon | how unstable would you consider ubuntu |
| 02:18.34 | Decepticon | if its just a matter of stability |
| 02:18.41 | dembug | markybob |
| 02:18.42 | dembug | hmm |
| 02:18.45 | cusco | dembug: yes I installed one already |
| 02:18.56 | cusco | the ruby1.8-dev |
| 02:18.58 | markybob | dembug, yes? |
| 02:19.08 | dembug | what about libc 2.3.6 included with etch? |
| 02:19.27 | dembug | it did bad things to some of my libc 2.3.2 stuff |
| 02:19.37 | dembug | but uuh its quite recent from what I understand |
| 02:19.40 | markybob | Decepticon, ubuntu uses all bleeding edge stuff. gnome 2.18, kernel 2.6.20, etc. |
| 02:20.10 | dembug | in all fairness its the ubuntu equivalent of debian which was why i thought it was put under "testing" |
| 02:20.25 | Rprp | Hmm, how can i disable 'Cron Mails', Every time when a cron startyed its sending a mail to user@hostname ... |
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| 02:20.39 | dembug | ok sure not as user friendly or upto date as ubuntu :O |
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| 02:21.16 | cusco | Rprp: can't you take the cron entry out? |
| 02:21.41 | Rprp | cusco: uh? :p |
| 02:21.43 | Decepticon | markybob, how often do you say ubuntu's software breaks |
| 02:21.55 | dembug | heh |
| 02:21.57 | Decepticon | say we're talking about etch vs fiesty |
| 02:22.01 | dembug | as often as debian if you are bad at using apt |
| 02:22.02 | dembug | eheheh |
| 02:22.11 | markybob | Decepticon, i dont really give a damn. i dont know, i dont use ubuntu. newer software == more bugs. that's just how it goes |
| 02:22.14 | cusco | Rprp: I think I didn't understand you sorry |
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| 02:22.17 | bzed | killfill: ooh :P well, I can;t tell you if that works on embedded devices, that's something totally differenty |
| 02:22.23 | Decepticon | dembug, how does that happen? |
| 02:22.34 | bzed | killfill: they're runnign embedded versions of the kernel, you want to ask a maemo developer |
| 02:22.36 | dembug | Decepticon breaking dependancies |
| 02:22.39 | dembug | bad /etc/apt/profiles |
| 02:22.44 | dembug | ( i suppose ) |
| 02:22.50 | bzed | killfill: you wanna ask in #maemo |
| 02:22.55 | dembug | they both use apt so :D |
| 02:22.58 | Decepticon | can you give me an example of some proggies you would encounter that in, a real situation i can relate to? |
| 02:23.07 | dembug | uuh yeah |
| 02:23.23 | dembug | often you will come accross closed source software (well i do) |
| 02:23.32 | dembug | and sometimes the dependancies you have for debian aren't easily changeable without "hacking" them |
| 02:23.46 | dembug | mainly because of debian's stable nature it is like that to stop you from breaking it |
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| 02:24.03 | dembug | like with me i had problems installing latest libc's with sarge |
| 02:24.11 | Decepticon | all ive ever used in debian is apt packages, and i dont think ive run into package breaking dependencies yet |
| 02:24.12 | dembug | you will no doubt experience similar circumstances with debian |
| 02:24.24 | dembug | ahh well Decepticon debian is "stable" as markybob said |
| 02:24.33 | dembug | so you will be more limited than other os' what source you can install |
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| 02:24.40 | dembug | (especially if using apt rather than compiling from source) |
| 02:24.41 | omg0 | Adobe flash for debian instructions @ http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer says that I need to be in root to install the software. Is that adviseable. Should I worry about security and if so might this installation be safer using fakeroot? |
| 02:24.47 | Decepticon | and i hardly compile from source, unless i have to |
| 02:24.59 | dembug | aye Decepticon |
| 02:25.02 | LightKnight | omg0: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:25.06 | Lovecraft | I don't know; I compile stuff and install it in /usr/local whenever I need to. |
| 02:25.22 | dembug | what im saying is apt will refuse to install stuff if you run into a peice of software you want to use requiring more uptodate lib's |
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| 02:25.42 | dembug | so in debian you might be able to risk installing from source |
| 02:25.51 | Decepticon | and wing it |
| 02:25.52 | dembug | instead of using apt |
| 02:25.54 | dembug | yea |
| 02:25.56 | Decepticon | heh |
| 02:25.58 | dembug | I have many times |
| 02:26.04 | dembug | i think markybob was just trying to say |
| 02:26.09 | dembug | debian is geared to stop bad things from happening |
| 02:26.11 | dembug | it is packaged |
| 02:26.20 | dembug | and as a result there is some inflexibility with compatability |
| 02:26.26 | Decepticon | true |
| 02:26.27 | cusco | or you can use apt to download the sources and compile |
| 02:26.30 | cusco | with apt-build |
| 02:26.39 | dembug | ahh yes, or that |
| 02:26.40 | dembug | ;D |
| 02:26.44 | cusco | or apt-get -b |
| 02:26.53 | dembug | i've always found a lot of the debian sources to be a little old for my liking cusco |
| 02:26.54 | dembug | :> |
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| 02:27.06 | dembug | usually its a "vendor" jobbie for myself |
| 02:27.11 | dembug | which isn't so compatible for ME :D |
| 02:27.19 | Decepticon | hmm, i havent heard anything about apt-build... ill look this up |
| 02:27.20 | cusco | yea, usually when I compile something I go to the svn |
| 02:27.25 | cusco | else I use a package |
| 02:27.31 | dembug | aye cusco |
| 02:27.34 | Decepticon | svn? |
| 02:27.36 | dembug | usually i use apt unless i have a problem |
| 02:27.42 | dembug | but heh, really, the "proper" way is source all the way |
| 02:27.49 | cusco | subversion repo, the developing version |
| 02:27.56 | dembug | try and install 500 things in < 20 mins from source though :D |
| 02:27.59 | dembug | compiling will take longer :D |
| 02:28.04 | omg0 | Lightnight: the apt-get still requires that I run as root |
| 02:28.12 | dembug | the joy of apt is pre-ready working |
| 02:28.17 | dembug | sometimes compatability takes a fall :) |
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| 02:28.29 | Decepticon | this is my usual route for installing something i need: apt... if theres a really old version in apt, i look at backports.... then in desperation try to compile from source newest versions |
| 02:28.31 | asc | Configuring xserver-xorg, which mouse port should I use for PS/2 |
| 02:28.39 | dembug | ps/aux |
| 02:28.42 | dembug | isnt it? |
| 02:28.56 | asc | I guess we'll find out |
| 02:29.03 | dembug | wel if that option is there |
| 02:29.05 | dembug | thats it |
| 02:29.10 | cusco | yea |
| 02:29.15 | AprilDL | postgresql channel sent me here to ask about when apt-get to reinstall postgresql-8.1 - will it initdb or is there an option to prevent that? |
| 02:29.21 | asc | Right. Thanks. |
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| 02:29.30 | dembug | my pleasure |
| 02:29.30 | dembug | hf |
| 02:29.46 | asc | Ooh, Debian monitor detection doesn't suck |
| 02:29.55 | dembug | heh |
| 02:29.56 | dembug | yeah |
| 02:29.57 | Lovecraft | AprilDL: Probably should ask in #debian |
| 02:29.57 | asc | identified 1280x1024 |
| 02:30.01 | dembug | it gives you options too |
| 02:30.15 | dembug | Lovecraft this is debian |
| 02:30.21 | Lovecraft | Oh |
| 02:30.28 | Lovecraft | How did I get here? |
| 02:30.29 | dembug | lol |
| 02:30.38 | dembug | you are probably an ubuntu person |
| 02:30.42 | dembug | they find their way here somehow |
| 02:30.43 | dembug | ;> |
| 02:30.55 | Lovecraft | Last I knew, I was in ##linux |
| 02:30.59 | ScribbleJ | They call that swimming upstream, dembug. |
| 02:31.14 | dembug | bah |
| 02:31.19 | dembug | sorry ;) |
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| 02:31.21 | Lovecraft | Later people. :) |
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| 02:31.56 | ScribbleJ | You mean two internet connections, dembug ? |
| 02:32.07 | ScribbleJ | I'm having a devil of a time witht hat myself right now. :/ |
| 02:32.14 | dembug | ;D |
| 02:32.22 | dembug | well i was referring to cisco switches ;D |
| 02:32.33 | dembug | close enough for me, i suck at cisco |
| 02:32.36 | dembug | :D |
| 02:32.39 | ScribbleJ | Hah |
| 02:33.15 | dembug | :) |
| 02:33.25 | reind_ | something is outputting to my console - mostly packet in/out stuff. presumably iptables output? any idea what causes this? |
| 02:33.43 | ScribbleJ | Do you have iptables -j LOG rules? |
| 02:33.45 | dembug | hmm |
| 02:33.55 | dembug | reind_ why dont you try tcpdump |
| 02:34.00 | reind_ | ScribbleJ: will check |
| 02:34.04 | dembug | unless im misunderstanding |
| 02:34.13 | ScribbleJ | Debian by defauly has syslog printed to one console. |
| 02:34.15 | omg0 | bzed: Adobe flash for debian instructions @ http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer says that I need to be in root to install the software. Is that adviseable. Should I worry about security and if so might this installation be safer using fakeroot? |
| 02:34.20 | ScribbleJ | iptables -j LOG prints to syslog |
| 02:34.21 | dembug | ahh |
| 02:34.23 | reind_ | dembug: well, i dont want that output =) it's filling up my console |
| 02:34.29 | dembug | ehee |
| 02:34.30 | dembug | :D |
| 02:34.39 | dembug | tcpdump is like your iptables issue, but worse |
| 02:34.40 | dembug | :D |
| 02:34.44 | ScribbleJ | Hahahahaha |
| 02:34.45 | reind_ | hehe |
| 02:34.45 | dembug | good old tcpdump |
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| 02:34.50 | ScribbleJ | I love tcpdump |
| 02:34.54 | dembug | our network was ddosed once |
| 02:34.58 | dembug | looking at tcpdump |
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| 02:35.00 | dembug | millions of packets |
| 02:35.02 | dembug | im like eesh |
| 02:35.02 | ScribbleJ | It's not bad if you use proper filters, dembug |
| 02:35.16 | ScribbleJ | Although |
| 02:35.17 | dembug | I am not highskill with my networking stuff tbh |
| 02:35.29 | ScribbleJ | when I'm dealing with somethign nasty I'll tcpdump then load it with ethereal/wireshark |
| 02:35.33 | bzed | omg0: fakeroot won't work there. you can do it as described there |
| 02:35.43 | omg0 | thansk |
| 02:35.59 | dembug | mmm |
| 02:36.04 | dembug | ddos really is no fun |
| 02:36.13 | dembug | had a 600mbit ddos last year |
| 02:36.20 | dembug | shocking on a 100mbit port tbh ;< |
| 02:36.47 | reind_ | ScribbleJ: iptables -A FORWARD -j LOG <-- likely culprit? |
| 02:36.49 | dembug | i've never used ethereal or wireshark will have to give them a look |
| 02:36.54 | dembug | reind_ i'd imagine so :> |
| 02:36.58 | reind_ | hehe |
| 02:36.59 | dembug | if LOG points to syslog, |
| 02:37.00 | reind_ | ya |
| 02:37.09 | ScribbleJ | Totally, reind_ |
| 02:37.18 | ScribbleJ | That will log every packet forwarded through your system |
| 02:37.20 | reind_ | thanks guys |
| 02:37.20 | ScribbleJ | Which is probabyl a lot. |
| 02:37.24 | dembug | :D |
| 02:37.28 | dembug | if thats a MASQ server |
| 02:37.31 | dembug | i'd be crying |
| 02:37.32 | dembug | :D |
| 02:37.46 | dembug | np reind_ you did all the work i just sat here ;D |
| 02:38.11 | ScribbleJ | dembug, look into wireshark - it's the new fork of the now-closed ethereal. |
| 02:38.11 | reind_ | ah, but sitting is always worthy of praise |
| 02:38.26 | ScribbleJ | Wireshark will rock your socks if you like tcpdump. |
| 02:38.26 | dembug | haha |
| 02:38.30 | dembug | really |
| 02:38.30 | dembug | sweet |
| 02:38.35 | ScribbleJ | Yes. |
| 02:38.39 | dembug | i have a dream that wireshark is like a "top" version of tcpdump |
| 02:38.49 | dembug | probably a little bit enthusiastic |
| 02:39.12 | ScribbleJ | Well, if you mean somethign that will tell you what protocols/ports are getting used a lot, totally. |
| 02:39.18 | ScribbleJ | It does some great things. |
| 02:39.20 | dembug | heh sweet :D |
| 02:39.23 | enema_cow | wireshark is just graphical... it provides a more structured view of traffic, as well as easy to use filtering |
| 02:39.26 | dembug | so if i was getting a ddos from 3 ip's |
| 02:39.36 | dembug | it'd tell me without something painful at the commandline |
| 02:39.37 | ScribbleJ | enema_cow, that's true, but it's the reporting features in it tha are great. |
| 02:39.39 | enema_cow | otherwise its exactly like tcpdump |
| 02:39.44 | dembug | sweet |
| 02:39.48 | ScribbleJ | enema_cow, you are missing out on the features if that's all you get. |
| 02:39.53 | dembug | enema_cow sounds like a tcpdump noobs ideal tool |
| 02:39.55 | reind_ | ScribbleJ: ooh, thanks was still using ethereal |
| 02:39.57 | dembug | i will have to be checking that out |
| 02:40.18 | enema_cow | ScribbleJ: i use my fair share of wireshark |
| 02:40.42 | ScribbleJ | enema_cow, how can you discount things like the data stream analysis functions? |
| 02:40.47 | ScribbleJ | Those are the best parts. |
| 02:40.50 | dembug | is there any overhead difference? |
| 02:40.55 | dembug | or it is a hook for tcpdump? |
| 02:41.22 | enema_cow | im not saying that wireshark is a bad product at all |
| 02:41.23 | ScribbleJ | Well, it's a big program if that's what you mean. |
| 02:41.25 | ScribbleJ | It does a lot. |
| 02:41.31 | dembug | ohh oki |
| 02:41.36 | dembug | it sounds like it requires X |
| 02:41.40 | enema_cow | but in essence its tcpdump with a frontend+ |
| 02:41.41 | ScribbleJ | I knwo,e nema, I just think you are missing it's utility if you think it's like graphical tcpdump with not much else. |
| 02:41.42 | dembug | which is a problem for me |
| 02:41.45 | enema_cow | it does |
| 02:41.48 | dembug | ahh |
| 02:41.51 | dembug | all my machines are console only |
| 02:41.53 | dembug | i'm sad like that |
| 02:41.59 | enema_cow | you can take tcpdump output and import it into wireshark on another machine, however |
| 02:42.00 | ScribbleJ | Even your desktop? |
| 02:42.01 | dembug | will try it on my openmosix cluster ;D |
| 02:42.04 | dembug | could be interesting :D |
| 02:42.18 | dembug | ScribbleJ i wouldnt use it on my desktop |
| 02:42.27 | enema_cow | wireshark outputs standard pcap binary files |
| 02:42.40 | ScribbleJ | dembug, Well, you can use it on your desktop to read dumps taken with tcpdfump elsewhere. |
| 02:42.42 | enema_cow | errr inputs/outputs |
| 02:42.46 | dembug | ohhh |
| 02:42.53 | ScribbleJ | Dont' forget tell tcpdump to dump the entire packet for maximum fun |
| 02:43.01 | dembug | lol |
| 02:43.06 | dembug | yeah maximum rapeage |
| 02:44.23 | dembug | thanks ScribbleJ will have to give that a try |
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| 02:46.11 | ScribbleJ | There might be an ncurses interface to wireshark; there was to ethereal, but I never used it. |
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| 02:46.17 | dembug | ooo |
| 02:46.20 | dembug | sweet |
| 02:46.23 | dembug | now i feel happier |
| 02:46.28 | ScribbleJ | Heheheh |
| 02:46.31 | dembug | I really do like my console :D |
| 02:46.40 | dembug | remote graphical interface sucks |
| 02:46.41 | dembug | :D |
| 02:46.44 | ScribbleJ | I know the feeling; I do everythign from the console, well, almost. |
| 02:46.47 | ScribbleJ | yes, agreed. |
| 02:46.48 | dembug | mmm |
| 02:46.56 | dembug | in production I'd feel unclean using X |
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| 02:46.59 | ScribbleJ | I often say I onlyuse X at all so I can have more terminals open and arranged. |
| 02:47.01 | dembug | sorry if that offends anyone |
| 02:47.02 | dembug | it's just true |
| 02:47.03 | dembug | ;D |
| 02:47.06 | ScribbleJ | No, it's good. |
| 02:47.10 | ScribbleJ | No one puts X on a production server. |
| 02:47.13 | dembug | aye |
| 02:47.15 | ScribbleJ | You'd haveto be silly. |
| 02:47.28 | dembug | you know ScribbleJ there is a great abudance of silly people than I once thought :) |
| 02:47.28 | ScribbleJ | I mean, unles it's like an X terminal server or something... |
| 02:47.31 | dembug | heh aye |
| 02:47.41 | ScribbleJ | I agree. |
| 02:47.56 | dembug | a lot of other companies are using VNC X to administrate webservers |
| 02:47.59 | ScribbleJ | If I had a dollar for every programmer Iv'e talked to at work who shouldn't ever have graduated from school... |
| 02:47.59 | dembug | to me, that is quite amusing :> |
| 02:48.12 | dembug | LOL |
| 02:48.15 | dembug | idd |
| 02:48.15 | ScribbleJ | And i'm SURE every one of those fuckers gets paid more than me... </paranoia> |
| 02:48.18 | dembug | Trust me dude |
| 02:48.20 | dembug | It's not just programmers |
| 02:48.28 | dembug | oh man, not by any extent |
| 02:48.33 | dembug | I failed my university course, not once, twice |
| 02:48.42 | dembug | And i am the one everybody asks now :> |
| 02:48.50 | dembug | installing ram for uni grad's == lol |
| 02:49.08 | dembug | i bet there are a lot of people like that in here ;) |
| 02:49.21 | dembug | most graduated though, but i'm dyslexic, and heh thats a good enough excuse for sucking |
| 02:49.25 | ScribbleJ | You mean, people who are smarter than their counterparts? |
| 02:49.30 | ScribbleJ | Or the doofusses you are stuck helping? |
| 02:49.39 | ScribbleJ | I don't think too amny *real* doofuses get as far as IRC. |
| 02:49.40 | dembug | well |
| 02:49.57 | dembug | most of the people i end up helping have degree's in IS/IT at bsc/masters level in the uk |
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| 02:50.08 | dembug | only 5% of them actually have a wide knowledge |
| 02:50.29 | dembug | like, I know people that might not know as much about problem analysis and certain theory but meh |
| 02:50.33 | dembug | give them a console... |
| 02:50.37 | ScribbleJ | Well, unfortuantely our profession got popular -- a reputation for big bucks... |
| 02:50.44 | dembug | yeahh... |
| 02:50.47 | ScribbleJ | That attracted a lot of peopel who don't care at all, just want to get a paycheck. |
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| 02:50.50 | ScribbleJ | And they ALL call me. |
| 02:50.51 | dembug | yea |
| 02:50.56 | dembug | yeahh lol |
| 02:51.07 | dembug | these people have no passion :) |
| 02:51.11 | cusco | dembug: if a guy has a bsc! hey.... he studied for it |
| 02:51.34 | uberspaced | i'm working on the kerberos installation guide and it says to put stuff in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 02:51.57 | dembug | cusco yes, but it is criminal that i recruit people without degree's and pay them less, and they are more talented than a majority of the grads that come to me asking for a job |
| 02:52.16 | dembug | Most people can agree on the fact you don't need a degree in humour to be funny |
| 02:52.16 | ScribbleJ | Oh shit! |
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| 02:52.17 | cusco | lol |
| 02:52.18 | uberspaced | I dont have that file; if i dump stuff in there will some stuff know how to use that file correctly? or is the stuff that file used for taken care of in a different way? |
| 02:52.19 | dembug | they are just funny |
| 02:52.21 | dembug | :) |
| 02:52.22 | ScribbleJ | Is that you, Boss? |
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| 02:52.26 | _xR | hey fellas |
| 02:52.31 | cusco | dembug: do you have a job for me? :P |
| 02:52.31 | _xR | still got the hanging issue on ide-cd |
| 02:52.33 | dembug | :> |
| 02:52.36 | _xR | tried R1 with no success |
| 02:52.42 | cusco | I could use one right now |
| 02:52.48 | _xR | and netinstall don't seam to have the nosmp image |
| 02:53.10 | ScribbleJ | I believe because I am an autodidact I get paid much less than my degreed counterparts. |
| 02:53.21 | ScribbleJ | I also believe it doesn't matter *so* much because I love what I do. |
| 02:53.27 | ScribbleJ | It does bother though. |
| 02:53.30 | dembug | I try to stay away from business on irc but yeahh my point was you don't need a degree in sailing to be an amazing sailor, :P |
| 02:53.45 | dembug | so we shouldn't assume (definately in my experience) by any means that a grad is a skilled worker |
| 02:53.53 | dembug | 9/10 they are bloody useless |
| 02:53.56 | dembug | :O) |
| 02:53.58 | ScribbleJ | Hahah |
| 02:54.03 | uberspaced | hey, man, i fought for my crappy gpa ;) |
| 02:54.10 | dembug | pickup one of you uneducated bastards in #debian and all of a sudden |
| 02:54.14 | dembug | we got an opensource development team. |
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| 02:54.16 | dembug | booha. |
| 02:54.23 | ScribbleJ | uberspaced, do you have xinetd installed? |
| 02:54.28 | uberspaced | ahh, nope |
| 02:54.29 | dembug | uberspaced :) |
| 02:54.31 | uberspaced | that would explain it |
| 02:54.32 | cusco | damn.. I thought I had a position in there :P what is it that you employ people for anyway? |
| 02:54.35 | ScribbleJ | Or just plain old inetd? |
| 02:54.37 | dembug | Yeah me too, for my BSC, twice, I am just...not academic |
| 02:54.37 | dembug | :) |
| 02:54.39 | _xR | so fellas... whats the suggestion to get around the install hanging on ide-cd |
| 02:54.42 | _xR | ??????????? |
| 02:54.43 | ScribbleJ | xinetd is the new hotness, AFAIK |
| 02:54.48 | dembug | _xR easy |
| 02:54.49 | dembug | bios :> |
| 02:54.54 | dembug | set everything to native |
| 02:54.54 | dembug | OR |
| 02:54.56 | dembug | use a backport :) |
| 02:55.00 | dembug | with the additional ide drivers |
| 02:55.02 | uberspaced | and by fought i mean not attending class regularly until end of sophomore year, not taking notes until beginning of junior year |
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| 02:55.11 | dembug | oh uberspaced |
| 02:55.16 | dembug | i did take notes, 13 pages a day :> |
| 02:55.18 | _xR | what you mean by native |
| 02:55.18 | ScribbleJ | So you fought for your right to party? |
| 02:55.20 | dembug | Just..not academic |
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| 02:55.25 | dembug | _xR its an IDE setting in the bios |
| 02:55.27 | dembug | (in some bios') |
| 02:55.44 | uberspaced | ScribbleJ, no, fought for my right to spend 30+ hours a week at work on linux instead of paying attention to classes |
| 02:55.58 | ScribbleJ | uberspaced, well, I'm sure that was a good investment. |
| 02:56.00 | dembug | ScribbleJ i fought for my right for a degree, gave up and started a business with private backing |
| 02:56.02 | dembug | it sucks |
| 02:56.04 | dembug | pays fuckall |
| 02:56.09 | dembug | but... I feel at home |
| 02:56.13 | uberspaced | so, my wife was all like 'you need to graduate or I'll leave you'. and i was all like "Ok, i'll start going to class." |
| 02:56.22 | ScribbleJ | dembug, a startup with a plan to go public? |
| 02:56.22 | uberspaced | (she wasn't my wife then) |
| 02:56.23 | _xR | ok ill give it a try and be back in a sec to try the drivers way |
| 02:56.25 | dembug | and now i can say " i have racks " instead of " i have no gf " |
| 02:56.26 | dembug | :D |
| 02:56.30 | _xR | its a core 2 duo if that helps you |
| 02:56.37 | dembug | _xR cpu wont make a diff |
| 02:56.39 | dembug | the chipset will though |
| 02:56.41 | ScribbleJ | I'd feel at home too, that's all I've done since something like 99. |
| 02:56.51 | dembug | aye |
| 02:56.57 | ScribbleJ | Small companies rock. |
| 02:57.01 | dembug | It's tough making out for yourself but at the end of the day you learn more |
| 02:57.16 | dembug | and in my case, I don't have to feel bad about being an academic failure |
| 02:57.17 | uberspaced | dembug, yeppers. |
| 02:57.27 | ScribbleJ | The one I'm at now is taking off, though... we went from 6 employees, me as the only tech, to something like 50 right now, and opening two new offices, and I have a VP of technology above me now. |
| 02:57.29 | dembug | well, if the business continues to expand ;-) |
| 02:57.34 | ScribbleJ | I'm not suited for mgmt, I know that much. Heh |
| 02:57.45 | dembug | sweet |
| 02:57.46 | ScribbleJ | SO it kind of sucks! |
| 02:57.52 | dembug | im a technical director |
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| 02:57.55 | dembug | and.. |
| 02:58.00 | ScribbleJ | The taking off is nice but the people who look at me funny when I come in at noon suck. |
| 02:58.01 | dembug | its like, i do everything a datafloor tech does |
| 02:58.10 | dembug | but have to worry about managerial/budget aspects too |
| 02:58.11 | dembug | :< |
| 02:58.22 | ScribbleJ | yeah, my boss is pretty much like that, dembug. |
| 02:58.27 | dembug | Not the way it should be, but.. |
| 02:58.35 | dembug | we are taken advantage of too often. |
| 02:58.57 | dembug | we are a very small company though, honest :) |
| 02:58.59 | ScribbleJ | I still am officially the only tech support for our product during off-hours. |
| 02:59.04 | dembug | only national but international hopes ya know |
| 02:59.09 | dembug | aye me too |
| 02:59.13 | dembug | and im a director |
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| 02:59.22 | dembug | when it's your business though you just deal with it i suppose |
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| 02:59.45 | dembug | I have never liked being told what to do , put it that way |
| 02:59.50 | dembug | big failing |
| 03:00.03 | ScribbleJ | Only if what you want to do isn't the Right Thing. |
| 03:00.08 | ScribbleJ | If you're right all the time, it's good. |
| 03:00.09 | dembug | aye |
| 03:00.11 | dembug | thats it dude |
| 03:00.18 | dembug | i'm the only dependable person in IS |
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| 03:00.22 | dembug | sad, but true |
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| 03:00.37 | ScribbleJ | the buck's gotta stop someplace. |
| 03:00.42 | dembug | heh aye |
| 03:00.46 | dembug | Well just crazy things like |
| 03:00.48 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello a graphical tool to manage files between irda devices? |
| 03:00.49 | dembug | "oh lets acquire two racks" |
| 03:00.53 | dembug | azio: "ohrly" |
| 03:00.55 | uberspaced | grr. i wish there was an easy way for me to say "Here's a file in inetd.conf. translate it to xinetd.conf, please" |
| 03:01.05 | dembug | azio: "10k pls" |
| 03:01.08 | dembug | *world stops* |
| 03:01.39 | dembug | they want to acquire 2 racks on a lease basis in a datacentre, but don't want to invest in hardware to put in them.. |
| 03:01.39 | dembug | its bloody madness |
| 03:01.53 | ScribbleJ | uberspaced, I bet thee's a billion guides like that - I also don't think the world would hate you for just using inetd. |
| 03:01.55 | dembug | LOL uberspaced |
| 03:01.56 | dembug | me too.. |
| 03:02.00 | dembug | just upgraded? |
| 03:02.04 | ScribbleJ | But I might, so ... take your chances!! |
| 03:02.17 | uberspaced | ScribbleJ, just another thing to read... :) |
| 03:02.21 | _xR | dembug nothing about native in the bios... can see it on bootup though... irq 11 |
| 03:02.22 | dembug | lol aye |
| 03:02.33 | _xR | what other way do you suggest to get around the ide-cd hanging issue |
| 03:02.33 | dembug | ohh _xR |
| 03:02.37 | dembug | maybe it is already running native |
| 03:02.42 | dembug | ohh it hangs! |
| 03:02.45 | dembug | shucks |
| 03:02.54 | dembug | I thought it was a module issue |
| 03:02.55 | _xR | yeah when it gets to ide-cd it hangs |
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| 03:03.06 | dembug | try a backport |
| 03:03.09 | dembug | or etch if your trying to use sarge |
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| 03:03.16 | ScribbleJ | _xR you could try a different version of the installer... |
| 03:03.22 | K3 | i'm having a hell of a time trying to get my usb thumbdrive to hotplug mount/umount |
| 03:03.23 | dembug | yeahh i agree |
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| 03:03.32 | dembug | simple and much faster solution than fiddling |
| 03:03.36 | _xR | i've been trying to use the netinstall |
| 03:03.40 | ScribbleJ | That sounds like it might be something "bad" though... will it boot ok on, e.g. knoppix? |
| 03:03.41 | dembug | _xR have you tried linux26 and linux24 ? |
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| 03:03.57 | ScribbleJ | Oh yes, do try linux26. |
| 03:04.00 | dembug | not that it is the kernel affecting it at all |
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| 03:04.05 | dembug | but it is possible if its newer hardware. |
| 03:04.09 | dembug | Like a c2d for instance ;-) |
| 03:04.25 | dembug | s775 i9x5 shit is crazy |
| 03:04.30 | _xR | so try linux26 as the boot command instead of hitting enter |
| 03:04.31 | dembug | support for it, i mean |
| 03:04.32 | K3 | anyone know a good tutorial for setting up hotplug to work w/ a usb thumbdrive ? I can sometimes get it to mount but pulling out hte thumbdrive prevents it from working again |
| 03:04.35 | dembug | yeah _xR you bet |
| 03:04.45 | dembug | K3 |
| 03:04.50 | dembug | you need to unmount it first ? |
| 03:04.52 | ScribbleJ | If you can boot OK on Knoppix you can "force" an install with debootstrap. |
| 03:05.06 | dembug | yeah ScribbleJ but i think that might be a little bit beyond _xR's reach |
| 03:05.07 | ScribbleJ | K3 most systems are using pmount to handle that, and you ave to unmount it first. |
| 03:05.12 | K3 | dembug: yeah it works fine if i umount it first, but i want to automate that if possible |
| 03:05.19 | dembug | uuh K3 |
| 03:05.21 | dembug | interesting |
| 03:05.24 | ScribbleJ | K3, how can you automate an umount? |
| 03:05.24 | K3 | is there a way i can automate the umount process? |
| 03:05.25 | dembug | but impossible |
| 03:05.29 | ScribbleJ | How will the system know you're goign to remove it? |
| 03:05.31 | dembug | K3 yes |
| 03:05.32 | ScribbleJ | Reading your mind? |
| 03:05.38 | dembug | if you can detect whether its present |
| 03:05.44 | ScribbleJ | You have to tell it you're goign to remove it. |
| 03:05.51 | dembug | well ScribbleJ thats what im thinking.. |
| 03:05.57 | dembug | he can still unmount the device after he's removed it |
| 03:05.59 | dembug | (i think) |
| 03:06.09 | K3 | it seems to cause the os to think the device is busy |
| 03:06.10 | ScribbleJ | Detecting it's gone is too late! If you pull it out without umounting your shit is porbably not written to disk; linux does a lot of caching. |
| 03:06.17 | dembug | ohh |
| 03:06.26 | K3 | ok i guess that answers it then :-| |
| 03:06.26 | ScribbleJ | You will SCREW yourself that way someday, just wait. |
| 03:06.26 | dembug | ScribbleJ its true |
| 03:06.32 | ScribbleJ | It's dangerous and wrong. |
| 03:06.32 | dembug | K3 you can automate it |
| 03:06.38 | dembug | you'll need a script though |
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| 03:06.46 | dembug | heh ScribbleJ aye |
| 03:06.57 | K3 | i'm setting up this linux box for a prior windows user, so i'm trying to dummify it :_p |
| 03:06.58 | dembug | i'm sure if he is smart there is a setting that disables cache on devices |
| 03:06.58 | dembug | ;) |
| 03:07.04 | K3 | its not a big deal to umount it myself manually |
| 03:07.22 | K3 | the problem is i don't know if i can trust this user to know to unmount it (or know how to unmount it) |
| 03:07.31 | dembug | lol |
| 03:07.33 | dembug | ahh |
| 03:07.35 | dembug | join the club |
| 03:07.46 | dembug | deal with it :D i have to |
| 03:07.50 | K3 | lol |
| 03:07.56 | K3 | i guess i can make some shortcuts on the desktop |
| 03:07.58 | omg0 | having to reconfigure sound every time I reboot is driving me nuts. It's making it impossible for me to put the machine in my kid's room |
| 03:08.01 | dembug | yeah :D |
| 03:08.09 | ScribbleJ | K3, if you're trying to make an idiot-usable version of Linux |
| 03:08.10 | dembug | omg0 eek |
| 03:08.12 | K3 | and tell him if he does it wrong he has to reboot :-p |
| 03:08.18 | dembug | heh |
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| 03:08.23 | ScribbleJ | May I humbly suggest you start with Ubuntu / kubuntu / something that already ahs all that set up? |
| 03:08.39 | K3 | ScribbleJ: i only had a debian cd burned and my burner is out :-p |
| 03:08.51 | dembug | heh K3 i think he's talking to omg0 |
| 03:08.51 | K3 | so i was forced to use a net isntall cd :-( |
| 03:08.54 | ScribbleJ | Ah... there are ways! There is always a way! |
| 03:09.07 | ScribbleJ | Hahahaha, I wasn't dembug, but that's funny. |
| 03:09.11 | dembug | oh |
| 03:09.13 | dembug | shocking |
| 03:09.18 | dembug | :D |
| 03:09.24 | K3 | how does kubuntu do it? |
| 03:09.34 | uberspaced | hrm, so in the xinetd howto, they say that if you have inetd installed, the package will make an attempt to convert inetd.conf to xinetd.conf when you install xinetd |
| 03:09.35 | dembug | as long as he knows how to unmount it it's just a .sh shortcut in the ~ |
| 03:09.35 | K3 | lots of scripts i don't want to rewrite? |
| 03:09.42 | _xR | kk back fellas |
| 03:09.47 | _xR | cheers... linux26 got it happening |
| 03:09.48 | dembug | hi _xR |
| 03:09.49 | dembug | ;) |
| 03:09.51 | dembug | thoughtso |
| 03:09.53 | dembug | n1 |
| 03:10.06 | _xR | now when it comes to partitioning |
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| 03:10.06 | _xR | it can't find the sata hard drive |
| 03:10.06 | uberspaced | so, me, being lazy and stupid, I will create the files for inetd.conf, let the shit translate it and then see what the output is. |
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| 03:10.06 | dembug | hahaa |
| 03:10.06 | dembug | _xR :> |
| 03:10.07 | dembug | go grab the backport |
| 03:10.10 | omg0 | I spent days messing witht this debian linux |
| 03:10.17 | dembug | omg0 |
| 03:10.19 | ScribbleJ | That is efficient, uberspaced . |
| 03:10.19 | dembug | its tricky |
| 03:10.21 | dembug | not the easiest |
| 03:10.29 | _xR | what you mean by backport? |
| 03:10.29 | omg0 | I don't want to go figure out the same things again in another distro |
| 03:10.32 | K3 | omg0: use ubuntu if you're new to linux |
| 03:10.35 | dembug | _xR |
| 03:10.38 | dembug | the problem is your sata drivers |
| 03:10.43 | dembug | they arent included it the disk |
| 03:10.47 | K3 | its like debian but easy |
| 03:10.48 | dembug | you need a backport of etch |
| 03:10.55 | uberspaced | ScribbleJ, yeah, well, it's 11:10 on a saturday and i'm messing around with kerberos. |
| 03:10.57 | dembug | witha kernel > 2.6.18 |
| 03:11.02 | dembug | iirc |
| 03:11.08 | _xR | can i grab it from the site? |
| 03:11.13 | dembug | yeah |
| 03:11.16 | dembug | grab etch _xR |
| 03:11.19 | _xR | kk |
| 03:11.19 | dembug | it'll put all your problems to rest |
| 03:11.20 | _xR | cheers |
| 03:11.22 | dembug | np |
| 03:11.22 | K3 | ok stupid question is there a way to force a umount? |
| 03:11.32 | dembug | if etch does something you dont expect _xR |
| 03:11.34 | dembug | go backport |
| 03:11.36 | ScribbleJ | uberspaced, they didn't name it after a three-headed dog from ehll for nothing. |
| 03:11.37 | dembug | gogle debian backport ;p |
| 03:11.38 | omg0 | k3 after I get this sound thing down. I am basically done with the setup |
| 03:11.38 | ScribbleJ | hell |
| 03:11.55 | dembug | lol |
| 03:11.57 | ScribbleJ | K3 umount -f I think? |
| 03:12.02 | omg0 | she has java and flash. She don't need anything else |
| 03:12.09 | dembug | lol |
| 03:12.14 | uberspaced | ScribbleJ, oh, and this is recreational. |
| 03:12.22 | dembug | ahh |
| 03:12.25 | dembug | i yearn recreation |
| 03:12.29 | dembug | the best i can do is #debian |
| 03:12.34 | bzed | omg0: if you're new to linux, installing the old sarge didn't make things easy for you |
| 03:12.42 | dembug | yeah |
| 03:12.42 | K3 | does that work w/ pumount? |
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| 03:12.44 | ScribbleJ | uberspaced, I'm afraid to knwo what you do on vacation... |
| 03:12.44 | dembug | thats very true |
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| 03:12.56 | dembug | etch is so userfriendly in comparison.. well because it usualy works out the box |
| 03:12.57 | dembug | heh |
| 03:12.57 | bzed | omg0: etch will become the new stable very soon, and it's times more easy to install and handle |
| 03:13.13 | _xR | mmmm sounds stupid but i can't find etch on debian.org lol |
| 03:13.18 | dembug | _xR |
| 03:13.20 | dembug | www.google.com |
| 03:13.21 | ScribbleJ | omg0, you've probably had a ghreat learnnig experience though. |
| 03:13.23 | dembug | "debian etch" |
| 03:13.26 | bzed | _xR: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:13.29 | dembug | ScribbleJ aye |
| 03:13.32 | dembug | best way to learn |
| 03:13.38 | omg0 | bzed: yes it was a great learning experience |
| 03:13.47 | cheeseboy | anyone know where i can get a really good source list? |
| 03:13.52 | dembug | i was thrust into debian sarge with a console |
| 03:13.55 | dembug | and told to make things work |
| 03:13.58 | bzed | omg0: next you want to learn is how to upgrade to etch, then you know most basic things :) |
| 03:14.00 | dembug | lol |
| 03:14.19 | bzed | dembug: colsoles are sexy, especially if you have only a serial cable :P |
| 03:14.29 | dembug | bzed heh well its only a pico /etc/apt/sources.list and an apt-get dist-upgrade away :D |
| 03:14.29 | _xR | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:14.32 | _xR | found it |
| 03:14.36 | _xR | cheers dembug |
| 03:14.37 | dembug | oh,, |
| 03:14.41 | dembug | not forgetting an apt-get update :D |
| 03:14.41 | K3 | heh first time i ever tried to install linux was slackware |
| 03:14.44 | dembug | heh np _xR |
| 03:14.44 | K3 | then i did mandrake :-p |
| 03:14.45 | cheeseboy | ...? |
| 03:14.53 | K3 | i prefer debian now |
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| 03:15.04 | bzed | !tell omg0 about sarge->etch |
| 03:15.06 | cheeseboy | anyone know where i can get a really good source list? |
| 03:15.07 | dembug | lol bzed |
| 03:15.20 | bzed | omg0: no need to do that now, but you should know how to get the information ;) |
| 03:15.28 | dembug | even beter when a junipers connected to one |
| 03:15.39 | bzed | cheeseboy: what's good in your eyes? |
| 03:15.44 | omg0 | bzed: hehehe. I want to get the sound config permanent then go back to looking for a decent card for my old p133, 32meg ram, 2.2g hd, no floppy and no cdrom boot |
| 03:15.47 | jetscreamer | i need to write an udev rule. i need my current ide controller to stay exactly as it is currently. i know when i install the addin ide controller card, the addin will be hda-hdd and my current onboard ide controller will become hde-hdh. |
| 03:16.02 | cheeseboy | bzed lots of sources no broken ones |
| 03:16.08 | bzed | omg0: is that the machine you're running debian on at the moment? |
| 03:16.15 | bzed | cheeseboy: for testing? |
| 03:16.29 | jetscreamer | so i want to write the rule before i put it in, but i don't know where to start exactly... /etc/udev/udev.rules i know |
| 03:16.32 | omg0 | bzed. I am going to fight with DSL again. No this one is a desktop with more stuff |
| 03:16.33 | uberspaced | damn, well my idea of getting the pacakge to do the translation didnt work; imma just copy somebodie's from the net. |
| 03:16.39 | uberspaced | *somebody's |
| 03:16.44 | cheeseboy | bzed for everything |
| 03:16.55 | omg0 | 12 gig compaq presario 4880 |
| 03:17.05 | dembug | uberspaced sounds like a plan |
| 03:17.05 | bzed | cheeseboy: which release. etch, sarge, woody!? |
| 03:17.17 | dembug | uberspaced ive been there |
| 03:17.19 | dembug | stressful isnt it? |
| 03:17.29 | bzed | omg0: then upgrading to etch is probably a good idea. will look way more sexy after that, and your sound issues are probably gone, too |
| 03:17.30 | dembug | "why cant it just be inetd" |
| 03:17.31 | dembug | :D |
| 03:17.48 | dembug | i agree with bzed |
| 03:17.49 | bzed | omg0: if you're willing to learn that, too ;) |
| 03:17.59 | cheeseboy | bzed actually im on knoppix installed as debian |
| 03:18.07 | uberspaced | yeah; but it's like cool now. before when I wanted to mess around with my computers, I had them all on upstairs, they were noisy |
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| 03:18.17 | uberspaced | got a drop to my basement and 4 computers on down there |
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| 03:18.24 | bzed | cheeseboy: hmm.. no clue what they modify in there... but I think I have something for you |
| 03:18.27 | uberspaced | so, not as stressful as workin on it before. |
| 03:18.33 | dembug | ahhh |
| 03:18.35 | dembug | very nice |
| 03:18.45 | dembug | i have a supercomputer here on a seperate vlan |
| 03:18.45 | cheeseboy | bzed ok thnx |
| 03:18.46 | dembug | i like to play |
| 03:18.49 | bzed | cheeseboy: http://pastebin.ca/408806 |
| 03:18.52 | dembug | but really it is a big toy that does nothing |
| 03:18.54 | dembug | i just hate to admit it |
| 03:19.14 | dembug | *shrugs* |
| 03:19.25 | omg0 | bzed: I am going to transition stages here in debian |
| 03:19.34 | omg0 | all because of the sound cart |
| 03:19.46 | dembug | well chaps |
| 03:19.48 | cheeseboy | bzed can that replace my current source list? |
| 03:19.50 | dembug | im off to watch some startrek |
| 03:19.52 | dembug | *cringes* |
| 03:20.03 | cheeseboy | cause mines all messed up too :( |
| 03:20.15 | dembug | have fun chaps |
| 03:20.45 | ScribbleJ | Take it easy sir. |
| 03:21.03 | omg0 | started with 4.2 then that didn't work after fighting a few days. Then 2.6 faught for a few days |
| 03:21.24 | omg0 | back to square 1 but learned a bit more this time |
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| 03:22.30 | uberspaced | dembug, laters |
| 03:22.39 | bzed | cheeseboy: yes |
| 03:22.46 | dembug | byeee |
| 03:22.46 | bzed | omg0: what do you mean by 4.2? |
| 03:22.52 | K3 | heh brb reboot hopefully i made this simple enough |
| 03:22.57 | bzed | omg0: kernel 2.4...!? |
| 03:22.58 | omg0 | kernel |
| 03:23.08 | K3 | thanks for your help guys |
| 03:23.14 | omg0 | yah |
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| 03:23.49 | bzed | omg0: ah... :) well now that you had the fight, upgrade to etch ... tomorrow or so ;) I'll be around for questions. 0523 now, stupid DST |
| 03:24.39 | cheeseboy | bzed wheres source list? |
| 03:24.43 | omg0 | lol. ok. What time? My wife will be at work so I can get away with staying on the computer |
| 03:24.47 | cheeseboy | i forgot X( |
| 03:24.58 | bzed | cheeseboy: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:26.14 | omg0 | bzed I cheated with the upgrade to .6 though. I re-installed everything. |
| 03:27.03 | xixor | Anyone else think that iceweasel is crashing a lot lately? |
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| 03:30.24 | oiaohm | Any simple way to get the installed systems targeted platform. |
| 03:31.00 | oiaohm | Like i386 for i386-i686. amd64. This is just for a script. |
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| 03:31.26 | bzed | omg0: shame on you :P with debian you only need to isntall if you really really really messed things up (and even then you could proably just fix it) or if your harddrive crashed |
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| 03:31.47 | K3 | ok apparently i'm an idiot :p |
| 03:31.58 | K3 | running pmount /dev/sda |
| 03:32.09 | K3 | mount: only root can mount /dev/sda on /mnt/usbhdd |
| 03:32.22 | K3 | O_o |
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| 03:33.11 | bzed | oiaohm: on debian: dpkg-architecture |
| 03:33.21 | omg0 | bzed: bad habbit from pre windows 2000 |
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| 03:33.45 | bzed | oiaohm: if you need something linux compatiable, you probably want to fiddle with uname... |
| 03:34.48 | cheeseboy | how do i add someone to sudousers? |
| 03:34.49 | bzed | dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH <<<that'll just give you the amd64 |
| 03:35.02 | bzed | cheeseboy: use visudo as root |
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| 03:36.50 | h00t | can someone pls tell me what does "-p"number" mean in a patch command ... i've read the man page but i don't understand |
| 03:37.20 | amphi | cheeseboy: man 5 sudoers |
| 03:37.43 | ucimok | h00t: it's how many directory levels you strip off your patch |
| 03:38.01 | h00t | ucimok, what should be like a safe thing p0 |
| 03:38.17 | bzed | depends what you patch where |
| 03:38.21 | centrx | h00t you should probably strip off anything that is unique to your system |
| 03:39.06 | bzed | h00t: patch will usually complain that it can;t find the file - as long as you don;t run it as root you can;t break much, jsut play with -p and learn what it means |
| 03:39.10 | ucimok | really depends on the situation and cd |
| 03:39.36 | K3 | scheisse |
| 03:39.37 | amphi | h00t: -p num is how many directory prefixes to strip from filenames |
| 03:39.51 | morvok | yawns.. |
| 03:40.05 | bzed | !tell K3 about scheisse |
| 03:40.20 | h00t | does it effect the patching itself or does it concern finding of the file itself |
| 03:40.52 | ucimok | it affects where the patched files are found |
| 03:40.54 | K3 | lol |
| 03:41.01 | h00t | thanx |
| 03:41.57 | K3 | is ther something i need to do besides pmount /dev/sda so that my changes are actually written to the drive? |
| 03:42.21 | K3 | it seems to let me write to the /media/sda folder, but after pumounting it, and remounting, none of the changes are there |
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| 03:46.01 | _xR | dembug you still around? |
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| 03:48.40 | musya3d_ | when i dot apt-cache search php i dont see php5 in there |
| 03:48.42 | musya3d_ | why is that? |
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| 03:48.53 | musya3d_ | do i need to add more sources to my sources list? |
| 03:49.10 | ucimok | what release are you running? |
| 03:49.24 | musya3d_ | 3.1 |
| 03:50.11 | ucimok | i don't think php5 is in sarge |
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| 03:50.37 | musya3d_ | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 03:50.38 | musya3d_ | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 03:50.38 | musya3d_ | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 03:50.38 | musya3d_ | or been moved out of Incoming. |
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| 03:50.40 | msingh | where does the installed java sdk live? |
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| 03:51.31 | x3n0 | Hi has anyone got domino (kde-look.org) running under either etch/sid? |
| 03:51.44 | musya3d_ | is there a version that supports php5 |
| 03:51.56 | musya3d_ | ? |
| 03:52.02 | ucimok | muya3d: if you want php5, try etch (4.0) |
| 03:52.11 | musya3d_ | hmm |
| 03:52.18 | musya3d_ | how about ubuntu serverr edition |
| 03:52.18 | musya3d_ | ? |
| 03:52.29 | ucimok | that probably has php5 |
| 03:52.30 | musya3d_ | is it any different? |
| 03:52.40 | ucimok | somewhat |
| 03:52.49 | ucimok | i'd lean away from ubuntu for anything critical |
| 03:52.56 | musya3d_ | no i mean as far as performance or anything |
| 03:52.58 | musya3d_ | why is tha? |
| 03:53.01 | musya3d_ | that* |
| 03:53.15 | lfs | what do you need to use to get the latest drivers for internet connection? |
| 03:53.17 | ScribbleJ | Ubuntu is a little more... "bleeding edge." |
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| 03:53.23 | ScribbleJ | IT's *great* for a desktop or something. |
| 03:53.29 | ScribbleJ | But not *great* for a production server. |
| 03:53.43 | ucimok | my experiences are from a while ago, but i didn't feel that ubuntu server was as 'server grade' as debian |
| 03:53.50 | ScribbleJ | To be fair, I don' thtink Ubuntu-server LTS is bad, either... jus tnot as reviewed as debian. |
| 03:54.06 | ucimok | i agree |
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| 03:54.09 | lfs | I need to find an install image that I can rely on. |
| 03:54.10 | Kronuz | hello |
| 03:54.24 | ucimok | i've got a 6.06 server and it's great, and perfectly stable |
| 03:54.26 | musya3d_ | ok, thanks |
| 03:54.41 | ucimok | but i'd choose debian over ubuntu for a server if i have the chance |
| 03:54.54 | musya3d_ | im not using it for anything critical mostly just testing |
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| 03:56.09 | lfs | So how big should the swap be for a 250 gig drive? |
| 03:56.16 | ucimok | all up to you, but i'd choose debian etch |
| 03:56.54 | x3n0 | Oh, another totally different question... Is Sid ever considerer to have any version number related to it? i.e. "stable" + 1... :s |
| 03:57.03 | ScribbleJ | Okay, now if we're talking production servers I'd take an officially-released and supported ubuntu-server over the Debian testing version. |
| 03:57.17 | Kronuz | hey, is there a way I can tell or list all the packages that were installed in a filesystem? |
| 03:57.30 | lfs | What is wrong with the testing server? |
| 03:57.33 | musya3d_ | ive just got the cd already ill save myself downloading time |
| 03:57.33 | musya3d_ | id probalby go with debian as well |
| 03:57.36 | x3n0 | etch has been frozen to go stable for a while. |
| 03:57.38 | lfs | I have been using it for quite a while. |
| 03:57.45 | Kronuz | ((not the current file system, but another file system from which I only have all the files) |
| 03:57.47 | x3n0 | def debs! |
| 03:57.48 | ScribbleJ | But it's not to stable yet! |
| 03:58.04 | lfs | It is extremely stable |
| 03:58.10 | ucimok | more stable than ubuntu... lol |
| 03:58.17 | x3n0 | :) |
| 03:58.28 | oiaohm | Thanks bzed I was afk just got back. |
| 03:58.30 | ucimok | sid's the real 'testing' |
| 03:58.30 | lfs | I only had problem like twice in two years |
| 03:58.47 | lfs | ONce because I never bothered to upgrade the kernel |
| 03:59.30 | musya3d_ | so once in a year? |
| 03:59.33 | x3n0 | are the 2.6.19 headers available yet? |
| 03:59.33 | musya3d_ | :d |
| 03:59.39 | lfs | I think it is more stable than stable as there is more developement |
| 04:00.05 | ScribbleJ | development = stability? |
| 04:00.14 | ScribbleJ | I think you have your terms mixed up. |
| 04:00.20 | oiaohm | 2.6 is not a development tree. |
| 04:00.23 | oiaohm | 2.7 is |
| 04:00.32 | lfs | More people are working on the testing version |
| 04:00.42 | x3n0 | & IF it goes wrong (some how) its usually fixed very quickly! |
| 04:00.48 | ucimok | stability = stagnation ? |
| 04:00.51 | ScribbleJ | As a programmer, I'd like to assert that more people working is tantamount to instability. |
| 04:00.52 | ScribbleJ | Not stability. |
| 04:00.59 | musya3d_ | looks like ill be going with debian after all |
| 04:01.14 | ScribbleJ | I mean, if I put a dozen guys on aproject, it's not what I'd call stable in any sense. |
| 04:01.19 | lfs | I have used both, I had more problems with stable but that may be just me. |
| 04:01.20 | musya3d_ | my computer has issues reading the disk |
| 04:01.30 | oiaohm | ScribbleJ were would you put millions. |
| 04:01.33 | ScribbleJ | If there's just critical patches going in, that's stable. |
| 04:01.36 | lfs | My computer has issues installing Debian. |
| 04:01.41 | oiaohm | That is the linux kernel. |
| 04:01.48 | ScribbleJ | oiaohm, I'd distribute them globally using a hashing function. |
| 04:01.58 | ScribbleJ | oiaohm, I'm talking abotu Debian here, not the kernel. |
| 04:02.09 | ucimok | musya3d: have you run any s.m.a.r.t. tests? |
| 04:02.39 | x3n0 | Hi has anyone got domino (kde-look.org) running under either etch/sid? |
| 04:02.54 | oiaohm | The trick is good management structs. Without that Linux kernel would fail in a heap. |
| 04:03.20 | oiaohm | Numbers of programmers is not exactly the issue its management. |
| 04:03.34 | ScribbleJ | oiaohm, who are you talking to? |
| 04:03.41 | oiaohm | You ScribbleJ |
| 04:03.58 | ScribbleJ | oiaohm, my comments were re: Debian, not the kernel. |
| 04:04.05 | Kronuz | hey, also |
| 04:04.06 | ScribbleJ | testing vs stable. |
| 04:04.25 | Kronuz | how come last time I installed debian it asked me what kernel I wanted |
| 04:04.34 | Kronuz | and this time it just installed -486 |
| 04:04.36 | Kronuz | ? |
| 04:04.48 | x3n0 | I had a hell of a time with sarge! |
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| 04:05.14 | oiaohm | What gets me is Linux kernel is marketed as stable unattlered at kernel.org when given a like 2.6 or 2.4. Yet in debian it has to go threw another lot of testing. Why. |
| 04:05.36 | ScribbleJ | oiaohm, auditing code is never a BAD thing! |
| 04:05.40 | lfs | Because the packagges have to work with it. |
| 04:06.07 | lfs | So the kernel may be stable but it still might break a package. |
| 04:06.09 | haggz | oiaohm: its just a matter of language, the word 'stable' is used in different ways by different development projects |
| 04:06.25 | ScribbleJ | That's a good way of putting it, haggz. |
| 04:06.29 | oiaohm | It is if problems that are fixed in kernel.org are left alive in debian due to slow turn around. |
| 04:06.55 | ScribbleJ | oiaohm, Debian has never had a goal of being on the bleeding-edge kernel. |
| 04:07.04 | Kronuz | also... how come I have no spelling correction in my gnome input boxes? |
| 04:07.12 | oiaohm | 2.6 kernel is not bleading edge |
| 04:07.16 | oiaohm | 2.7 is |
| 04:07.24 | Kronuz | (I remember it was working before I installed debian again a few minutes ago) |
| 04:08.01 | K3 | anyone have an idea why a pmounted usb drive wouldn't save changes after I umount it? |
| 04:08.04 | ScribbleJ | 2.6.20 is, by some definitions. |
| 04:08.17 | K3 | mounting with pmount -t vfat /dev/sda |
| 04:08.24 | lfs | How do I make certain that what I download is the same as what is on the website? |
| 04:08.40 | mfrisch | lfs: md5 |
| 04:08.44 | x3n0 | md5 |
| 04:09.15 | Kronuz | but really... what about the spelling correction |
| 04:09.19 | ScribbleJ | K3, I'm not clear on why that would happen but I'm also not clear on why you'd have /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 |
| 04:09.30 | oiaohm | In a few more weeks 2.6.20 will be passed and replaced. |
| 04:09.46 | mfrisch | ScribbleJ: you need a partition? |
| 04:09.54 | ScribbleJ | mfrisch, No. |
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| 04:09.59 | amphi | oiaohm: there is no 2.7 branch |
| 04:10.01 | ScribbleJ | But most people use one. |
| 04:10.27 | K3 | ScribbleJ: not sure but i can only get the directory to list if i mount /dev/sda |
| 04:10.28 | lfs | so md5 filethatIwantchecked? |
| 04:10.32 | lfs | how to work it? |
| 04:10.34 | K3 | i had thought it'd be sda1 as well |
| 04:10.40 | ScribbleJ | lfs, md5sum |
| 04:10.46 | x3n0 | man |
| 04:10.53 | x3n0 | info |
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| 04:11.00 | x3n0 | RTFM |
| 04:11.05 | x3n0 | joking! |
| 04:11.12 | amphi | K3: you can make a filesystem on an entire disk if you want |
| 04:12.15 | lfs | So how do I get the key? |
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| 04:12.42 | mfrisch | lfs from the site. |
| 04:12.43 | lfs | I got it |
| 04:13.09 | x3n0 | matches = :) |
| 04:13.15 | x3n0 | doesn't = :( |
| 04:13.18 | x3n0 | lol |
| 04:14.04 | lfs | great I got different number |
| 04:14.13 | lfs | Now what? |
| 04:14.29 | ScribbleJ | Are the numbers the same length? It may be a matter of hex vs some other encoding. |
| 04:14.33 | K3 | mounting /dev/sda1 is giving me an error 'is not a valid block device' |
| 04:14.50 | lfs | They look the same length. Alot of numbers |
| 04:14.58 | lfs | both are hex |
| 04:15.04 | ScribbleJ | huh, that doesn't happen often. |
| 04:15.09 | ScribbleJ | Now you don't trust that file. |
| 04:15.10 | x3n0 | :s |
| 04:15.34 | mfrisch | lfs: or the mirror you got it from. |
| 04:15.35 | ScribbleJ | and hope it is something innocent like the site operator forgot to update his md5sums |
| 04:15.57 | x3n0 | I still wouldn't touch it! |
| 04:16.15 | lfs | I am trying to get Debian running from Knoppix |
| 04:16.24 | x3n0 | ditto |
| 04:16.33 | mfrisch | why? |
| 04:16.33 | lfs | I dont trust the way Knoppix is downloading these files. |
| 04:16.34 | x3n0 | 5.1.1 |
| 04:16.51 | ScribbleJ | ? |
| 04:17.02 | ScribbleJ | deboostrap is almost my tandard way of installing. |
| 04:17.08 | ScribbleJ | It's all good. |
| 04:17.48 | mfrisch | ScribbleJ: its everyones goto vt-4 during a install ;-) |
| 04:17.57 | lfs | I think I will go with that. Looks lke alot of work |
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| 04:18.48 | x3n0 | I had to go via knoppix as its the only "good" live distro that supported my hardware well enough. |
| 04:18.49 | lfs | vt-4? |
| 04:19.07 | ScribbleJ | I t outputs details of what it's doing. |
| 04:19.13 | ScribbleJ | I think? One of them does. |
| 04:19.34 | lfs | with debug it outputs where it has problems |
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| 04:22.49 | lfs | So should I use the -j parameter with mke2fs? |
| 04:23.41 | ScribbleJ | I typically just mkfs.ext3 |
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| 04:26.20 | markybob | well..mkfs.ext3 and mke2fs is the same file...so whatever :) |
| 04:26.26 | lfs | What is command to see what file system is there? |
| 04:26.33 | ScribbleJ | fdisk -l |
| 04:26.50 | markybob | or df -T depending on what you want |
| 04:26.58 | lfs | fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 04:27.10 | ScribbleJ | markybob's is more informative |
| 04:27.26 | ScribbleJ | If it's mounted. |
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| 04:27.39 | M4RK3z | buenas |
| 04:27.48 | M4RK3z | como estan todos? |
| 04:27.49 | markybob | !es |
| 04:27.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:27.49 | ScribbleJ | Or is that -T? Whatever. That's why I like mkfs.ext3 - I dont' have to think abotu switches. |
| 04:27.52 | lfs | That didnt give filesystem |
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| 04:28.40 | jair | hello guys, I am trying to reconfigure my alsa sound for my debian testing system |
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| 04:29.39 | xinming | Disabling barriers, not supported by the underlying device <---- What does this mean please? I got this when I mount an lvm vlume |
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| 04:32.48 | jair | how do I reconfigure my sound card guys :( |
| 04:33.04 | x3n0 | :s |
| 04:33.11 | markybob | wtf do you mean reconfigure? what doesnt work anymore? what'd you do before it stopped working? |
| 04:34.01 | x3n0 | did you have a back-up of the relavent conf files? |
| 04:34.08 | jair | markybob: hmm I just change the kernel from 386 to 686 since I have a centrino laptop |
| 04:34.26 | markybob | jair, configured your own kernel or used a stock 686? |
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| 04:34.42 | wad | I'm making progress with setting up my cups printers! |
| 04:34.45 | wad | Woo-hoo! |
| 04:34.55 | x3n0 | :) |
| 04:35.02 | jair | markybob: I used the stock one 686 |
| 04:35.10 | x3n0 | whats your setup? |
| 04:35.12 | markybob | !alsa checklist |
| 04:35.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 04:35.13 | jair | the one that appear with the apt-cache search |
| 04:35.21 | wad | Quick question: I'm setting up a printer, but CUPS is asking me to authenticate "CUPS" with a username and password. WTH? |
| 04:35.26 | wad | I never set anything like that up. |
| 04:35.27 | jair | markybob: I will check that thanks |
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| 04:36.12 | ScribbleJ | wad: try root and your root password. |
| 04:36.19 | wad | alright. |
| 04:36.30 | ScribbleJ | that's what you get when you go to localhost:631? |
| 04:36.36 | ScribbleJ | root and the root pw always worked for me. |
| 04:36.47 | wad | Aw, cool. It liked it. Thanks, ScribbleJ! |
| 04:37.36 | x3n0 | ScribbleJ, I guess you've been using debs for quite a while then. |
| 04:38.14 | ScribbleJ | you'd be amazed how stupid I can still be, x3n0. |
| 04:38.38 | x3n0 | :) |
| 04:39.31 | x3n0 | ScribbleJ, ~2.5 years under my belt! (so far) |
| 04:40.05 | ScribbleJ | Is that your total linux experience too - ? Or just Debian? |
| 04:40.19 | x3n0 | ScribbleJ, Just debs |
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| 04:40.41 | ScribbleJ | I don't think I've been using it much longer than that myself. |
| 04:41.12 | x3n0 | ScribbleJ, I've been bouncing around the distros since ~97 |
| 04:41.12 | ScribbleJ | I used RH at my previous job and hated it. |
| 04:41.12 | TravellingSalesM | hi guys, how can i change the default editor for my man pages? |
| 04:41.40 | Supaplex | why do you edit man pages? |
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| 04:42.30 | ScribbleJ | Well, TravellingSalesM the switch on the command line is -P I think and the onyl way I'd know to do it is create an alias or something that -Ps for you. |
| 04:42.34 | TravellingSalesM | Supaplex i mean the viewer , when i type "man something" it shows the man pages using more , i want to change it to use vim |
| 04:42.50 | Supaplex | PAGER=less man foo |
| 04:43.00 | ScribbleJ | I love vim too but uh... more seems fine for viewing things, you know? |
| 04:43.06 | gustafff | hello, someone know about the jboss instalation???? |
| 04:43.35 | x3n0 | Noooooo! |
| 04:44.08 | gustafff | ok ok ok |
| 04:44.09 | x3n0 | Can't stand jboss way too many XML sit ups required! |
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| 04:44.22 | gustafff | ok ok |
| 04:44.39 | \amethyst | TravellingSalesM: export PAGER='vim -R -' |
| 04:44.44 | gustafff | thanks |
| 04:44.51 | \amethyst | TravellingSalesM: -R for read-only, and - to tell it to read from stdin |
| 04:44.57 | markybob | gustafff, http://www.debian-administration.org/users/andershedstrom/weblog/2 |
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| 04:44.59 | Supaplex | or PAGER=view |
| 04:45.07 | \amethyst | You still need the - |
| 04:45.34 | x3n0 | gustafff, why have you chosen jboss? |
| 04:46.02 | x3n0 | just wondering if there are any specific reasons... |
| 04:46.05 | TravellingSalesM | Supaplex , gives me an error : can't execute less |
| 04:46.38 | Supaplex | use more, or install less. |
| 04:46.42 | \amethyst | You might want to install less |
| 04:47.42 | TravellingSalesM | Suplex: when i use PAGER=view man st : Vim: Warining Input is not from a terminal |
| 04:47.46 | gustafff | x3n0 no reasons... im a newbie... :p |
| 04:47.56 | \amethyst | TravellingSalesM: you need 'view -' |
| 04:48.09 | \amethyst | TravellingSalesM: PAGER='view -' man st |
| 04:48.10 | gustafff | x3n0 no reasons... and i think it is the widely used |
| 04:48.21 | x3n0 | :s |
| 04:48.26 | Supaplex | TravellingSalesM: what \amethyst said :) |
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| 04:48.40 | Juzzy | I have a zd1201 chipset usb dongle, and it's listed as a supported device on the sf page. I have the zd1201 module installed, the usb wireless dongle attached, but I don't get a wlan0 (ubuntu) is there something else I have to do to make it recognize it? |
| 04:49.06 | \amethyst | Juzzy: /join #ubuntu |
| 04:49.14 | Supaplex | Juzzy: or install debian. |
| 04:49.19 | wad | Yay, my printers are happy now! |
| 04:49.23 | Juzzy | wow :| |
| 04:49.28 | Juzzy | I upgraded from debian :p |
| 04:49.33 | \amethyst | Juzzy: you could try asking #redhat |
| 04:49.36 | markybob | that's not an upgrade, you goof |
| 04:49.36 | \amethyst | they might help |
| 04:49.37 | TravellingSalesM | \amethyst: when i do that it shows me the man page but with a lot of extra funny characters~ between the text |
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| 04:50.05 | Juzzy | shoulda guessed I'd get flamed for asking in here, I only helped this chan for a yr or so :| |
| 04:50.08 | Supaplex | Heartsbane: hello fellow utawun ;) |
| 04:50.13 | x3n0 | Juzzy, DOWN-graded don't you mean? |
| 04:50.17 | Supaplex | TravellingSalesM: apt-get install less. |
| 04:50.54 | Supaplex | Juzzy: ubuntu is our red headed proud rebel of a step child. we love our children dearly, but we don't meddle with their affairs. |
| 04:51.06 | Juzzy | k fair enough |
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| 04:51.13 | Juzzy | I don't mean to start a holy war |
| 04:51.17 | GmLB | I am using mdadm to setup a raid array, and i keep getting; "mdadm: You haven't given enough devices (real or missing) to create this array" |
| 04:51.23 | TravellingSalesM | Supaplex, i installed less, thanks it's exactly what i wanted, but is the PAGER change permanent? I mean after rebooting it will still open man pages using less? |
| 04:51.24 | Juzzy | i figured it'd be the -exact- solution |
| 04:51.39 | Juzzy | I have a zd1201 chipset usb dongle, and it's listed as a supported device on the sf page. I have the zd1201 module installed, the usb wireless dongle attached, but I don't get a wlan0 (I'm running debian) is there something else I have to do to make it recognize it? |
| 04:51.40 | Supaplex | TravellingSalesM: what shell are you using? |
| 04:51.40 | Juzzy | lol |
| 04:51.52 | TravellingSalesM | Supaplex: bash |
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| 04:52.20 | x3n0 | Juzzy, Isn't it even found on the bus? |
| 04:52.21 | Supaplex | TravellingSalesM: .bashrc or .bash_profile (I rarely remember which. try both, or just one and see) |
| 04:52.26 | Juzzy | ya lsusb sees it |
| 04:52.30 | \amethyst | TravellingSalesM: (as root) update-alternatives --config pager |
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| 04:52.39 | x3n0 | hmmm |
| 04:52.49 | Juzzy | Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0ace:1201 ZyDAS 802.11b WiFi |
| 04:52.51 | x3n0 | !beer |
| 04:52.52 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 04:53.01 | \amethyst | TravellingSalesM: That will set the default pager that gets used when there is no $PAGER environment variable |
| 04:54.03 | asc | Question for youse all. If you install something that's not a debian package (e.g. ./make && ./make install), how do you uninstall it? |
| 04:54.16 | Supaplex | asc: the hard way? |
| 04:54.17 | markybob | make uninstall usually |
| 04:54.31 | _xR | exit |
| 04:54.34 | _xR | fuck |
| 04:54.37 | TravellingSalesM | Supaples & \amethyst : thanks , life is much easier now :) |
| 04:54.43 | asc | Let's call make uninstall the hopefully easy option. |
| 04:54.51 | asc | Any way to see where it put all its' files? |
| 04:54.58 | \amethyst | asc: Read the makefile |
| 04:54.58 | markybob | no |
| 04:55.10 | ScribbleJ | asc, you could make install again with an appropriate prefix, to a set of subdirectories. |
| 04:55.14 | Supaplex | asc: make -n might shed some light. eg, make -n install |
| 04:55.34 | x3n0 | Juzzy, Is the firmware installed...? :s |
| 04:55.58 | asc | Ah, interesting. Thanks. |
| 04:56.15 | Juzzy | x3n0: it seems I cannot install the firmware, "ther eis no firmware" dir |
| 04:56.37 | asc | If I do make install, or install a .deb, I suppose the old version would be overwritten |
| 04:56.49 | Juzzy | ahhh its in /lib/firmware |
| 04:57.06 | x3n0 | thats the one! ;) |
| 04:57.08 | K3 | lol |
| 04:57.28 | K3 | all that trouble i had w/ the usb thumbdrive was because i had forgot to unlock the actual device |
| 04:57.34 | K3 | the little switch on the side to lock/unlock it |
| 04:58.34 | Juzzy | doh, fw failed :| |
| 04:58.34 | amphi | !lart k3 |
| 04:59.43 | x3n0 | sudo apt-get install -f zd1201-firmware |
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| 04:59.54 | K3 | lol |
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| 05:02.23 | asc | Heh, that was strange. The first time I tried to compile, it stuck on a particular file. The second time the compiler died with a segfault. The third time it compiled. :p |
| 05:02.23 | K3 | goodnight all |
| 05:02.53 | Supaplex | asc: hope your hardware is still ship shape. |
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| 05:03.09 | asc | Supaplex: It isn't. :) |
| 05:03.39 | bullium | Does the debian installer have anything similar to RH's linux rescue? |
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| 05:04.23 | Supaplex | bullium: as in a shell? |
| 05:04.26 | asc | Heh, keeps giving seg faults. I should've gotten a new drive months ago |
| 05:04.49 | markybob | bullium, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#head-a57d9f1dd8e977a5e79c26afeca72d0cba4e5c56 |
| 05:05.06 | pabs3 | anyone else get this from apt-listbugs? W: Connection timed out - connect(2) (bugs.donarmstrong.com, #80) |
| 05:05.15 | bullium | Supaplex: yeah...I can already access the busybox shell during the install, but this has very limited commands |
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| 05:06.09 | Supaplex | bullium: do you want a live-cd instead? Unless you can mount the drive etc. |
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| 05:07.08 | bullium | I thought about a live CD, but I just wanted to see if debian had a method built in natively |
| 05:07.24 | Supaplex | the installer cd's are pretty much gear to install. Did you see the link markybob posted? |
| 05:07.30 | Supaplex | gear/geared/ |
| 05:07.51 | bullium | Supaplex: Yes I'm going to try that right now |
| 05:08.20 | Supaplex | good luck :) |
| 05:09.35 | x3n0 | bugger! |
| 05:10.19 | x3n0 | Think I may have totally b0rked pandora!:( |
| 05:10.42 | Supaplex | you opened the box? *GASP* |
| 05:11.40 | x3n0 | its my laptops name :) |
| 05:12.24 | Supaplex | ahhh. ewps. |
| 05:12.52 | x3n0 | ewps? |
| 05:13.17 | Supaplex | aka oops |
| 05:13.28 | x3n0 | :s |
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| 05:18.42 | x3n0 | Supaplex, It doesn't help that my system is a bastard...! |
| 05:18.43 | Daemonik | I'm trying to compile qingy on a Debian based distro I've done the ./configure; make etc process many times before this time I got this error: http://pastebin.ca/408865, help? |
| 05:19.51 | markybob | Daemonik, why not just apt-get install qingy ? |
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| 05:20.21 | Supaplex | x3n0: not nearly as much as this POS dedicated server I'm waiting on a reboot for. no wonder I'm not renewing them. :-/ |
| 05:20.24 | Daemonik | markybob not in the repos |
| 05:20.53 | x3n0 | :| |
| 05:21.24 | hark | Daemonik: what distro? |
| 05:21.47 | x3n0 | have you checked apt-get.org to find a repo with qingy? |
| 05:21.49 | markybob | Daemonik, ah, only in sid. add sid sources to your sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get build-dep qingy && apt-get source -b qingy ? |
| 05:21.53 | hark | !info qingy |
| 05:21.59 | dpkg | qingy: (Framebuffer-enabled replacement for getty), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.9.3ds1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 295 kB, Installed size: 692 kB |
| 05:22.00 | \amethyst | markybob: he's not using Debian |
| 05:22.08 | markybob | oh. well then. |
| 05:22.28 | Daemonik | markybob, Using Ubuntu. I just got the package through Debian.org though. Didn't know it was in the Debian repos. Thanks. =) |
| 05:22.30 | \amethyst | Daemonik: Try regenerating the configure script |
| 05:22.32 | markybob | oh wtf |
| 05:22.39 | markybob | damnit, people need to read the topic |
| 05:23.07 | markybob | fucker. stay gone! |
| 05:23.09 | markybob | :) |
| 05:23.32 | x3n0 | :) |
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| 05:25.17 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 05:25.18 | dpkg | well, qotd92 is <bobesponja> I'm running sid, not debian |
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| 05:26.06 | x3n0 | WTF! At least half of the repos are returning errors or 404! :( |
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| 05:26.10 | x3n0 | >:( |
| 05:26.22 | Supaplex | try apt-get update someday. |
| 05:26.24 | hark | use the other half then ;) |
| 05:26.51 | GmLB | Oh crap, how do I delete an md? |
| 05:27.11 | x3n0 | lol |
| 05:27.26 | x3n0 | have done |
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| 05:27.58 | Supaplex | GmLB: what level of mage? |
| 05:28.03 | Supaplex | oh wait, wrong brain. my bad. |
| 05:28.13 | GmLB | Supaplex, raid level 5 :-P |
| 05:28.23 | Xorm | Hallo, I'm on Etch, how do I add contrib and non-free packages to my sources.list? |
| 05:28.25 | GmLB | supaplex: he needs a level in destruction |
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| 05:28.41 | hark | Xorm: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 05:29.04 | x3n0 | text editor ;p |
| 05:29.11 | Xorm | I did that. |
| 05:29.17 | Xorm | apt didn't like it. |
| 05:29.25 | Xorm | I'm trying to install nvidia drivers. |
| 05:29.33 | markybob | nvidia one-liner |
| 05:29.35 | markybob | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:29.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 05:29.51 | Xorm | =o |
| 05:29.55 | markybob | or give us a real error |
| 05:30.09 | markybob | saying "it doesnt work" really means shit |
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| 05:30.53 | hark | Xorm: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers <-- |
| 05:31.23 | Xorm | http://share.codelove.org/Xorm-DATEm62T.html |
| 05:31.27 | Xorm | ^erraz |
| 05:31.39 | Xorm | hark, I *saw* that. |
| 05:31.55 | Xorm | I've done this before on Sarge =\ |
| 05:32.04 | GmLB | Is there any way to delete a MD RAID5 array? |
| 05:32.05 | \amethyst | Xorm: did you run apt-get update? |
| 05:32.14 | hark | run an apt-get update? |
| 05:32.40 | hark | !pebkac |
| 05:32.41 | dpkg | somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 05:32.46 | Xorm | lol |
| 05:32.51 | Xorm | I have now. |
| 05:32.54 | Xorm | aaaand |
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| 05:33.02 | Xorm | It appears to have worked beautifully. |
| 05:33.18 | Xorm | pebkac indeed >_> |
| 05:33.28 | hark | heh :) |
| 05:33.38 | \amethyst | Xorm: It wouldn't be so bad if the thing you pasted didn't tell you what to do :) |
| 05:33.49 | Xorm | I thought I wouldn't have to do that since I just installed etch only today. |
| 05:33.55 | Xorm | <_> |
| 05:34.15 | \amethyst | The update is needed to get the list of non-free and contrib packages |
| 05:35.13 | Xorm | ah. |
| 05:35.36 | Xorm | why is that even there? |
| 05:35.51 | Supaplex | because you installed from cd? |
| 05:36.25 | Supaplex | uhm, what's that menubar/pager/thiniemagig at the bottom of a kde window? I think it died :( |
| 05:36.34 | \amethyst | Supaplex: kicker ? |
| 05:36.37 | hark | kicker |
| 05:36.43 | Supaplex | yeaw |
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| 05:37.34 | Supaplex | that's more like it. |
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| 05:54.05 | SerajewelKS | ok so pcap isn't thread-safe then |
| 05:54.19 | man_in_ltop | got a problem with running applications from terminal in the debian menu |
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| 05:54.30 | Supaplex | !tell man_in_ltop -about ask |
| 05:54.34 | militant | sup guys |
| 05:54.35 | man_in_ltop | i don't know if this is a debian issue or an xfce issue |
| 05:54.36 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: famous last words? :) |
| 05:54.58 | man_in_ltop | but basically, when i run wings3d from menu, it brings up a terminal but no wings3d in it |
| 05:55.04 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: yeah, wrong channel too |
| 05:55.17 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: hehe :) that's ok. |
| 05:55.25 | militant | got a question... my box is locking up. not heat-related, cpu temp is hovering 60-65c. doesn't happen at console, only when X is running. started randomly this evening. watched 3 hours of video, no problem, but when there was less load, yep, bang. |
| 05:55.39 | Supaplex | man_in_ltop: is it installed? was the menu auto-generated? did it work before? |
| 05:55.58 | militant | what are some ways to cehck see if it's software-related? i'm running sarge on a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 05:56.18 | man_in_ltop | Supaplex, menu item appeared after installing the wings3d package. it is installed, since i can run it from a terminal by typing: "wings3d" |
| 05:56.51 | militant | since it's *freezing*, there's nothing in logs |
| 05:57.18 | Supaplex | man_in_ltop: ahh. check bugs.debian.org, and if it there is no report like this, use reportbug and let them know about it. |
| 05:58.05 | \amethyst | militant: you could try using a different video driver |
| 05:58.32 | militant | \amethyst, that'd be hard to do, it's a geforce3. i could scale down to a generic vga i guess? |
| 05:58.49 | \amethyst | The free nv driver doesn't work? |
| 05:59.10 | militant | nope. performance is awful, even the gears screensaver clunks along at like 5fps with it |
| 05:59.32 | pabs3 | the nv driver doesn't have 3d acceleration |
| 05:59.35 | militant | yeah |
| 05:59.37 | militant | exactly |
| 05:59.57 | militant | well |
| 05:59.58 | militant | nevermind |
| 06:00.02 | markybob | militant, if it started this evening, what'd you do this afternoon? |
| 06:00.25 | militant | this afternoon i disassembled to replace a PSU fan |
| 06:00.25 | militant | but uh |
| 06:00.25 | militant | just now it froze at console, no X |
| 06:00.26 | Sazpaimon | so how can I see if I have quota support installed for xfs? |
| 06:00.27 | militant | fuck. |
| 06:00.33 | yetibot | militant, you say it started today? did you do upgrads today? I've had my box become unstable since i updated today, mainly X freexing, and internet dying (ppp) |
| 06:00.52 | \amethyst | militant: You opened the power supply? |
| 06:00.53 | militant | all i installed today was the unzip deb |
| 06:01.24 | militant | \amethyst, yes, but the PSU fan was hardwired, not plugged, so i clsed it back up and went on my way |
| 06:01.40 | markybob | Sazpaimon, you're using a debian stock kernel? |
| 06:01.46 | Sazpaimon | let's see |
| 06:02.15 | Sazpaimon | damn it what's that command |
| 06:02.22 | Sazpaimon | im so messed up today |
| 06:02.38 | Sazpaimon | what's the command that shows me the kernel version |
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| 06:02.45 | militant | after putting everything back together, the machine ran fine all evening. i watched 3 episodes of star trek from hdd, irc'd, im'd, played mp3's, everything was fine. then suddenly this just started. |
| 06:02.50 | \amethyst | Sazpaimon: uname -r |
| 06:02.57 | Sazpaimon | dur thanks |
| 06:03.05 | Sazpaimon | 2.6.16.33-061227b is what it returns |
| 06:03.11 | markybob | wtf is that shit? ? |
| 06:03.16 | markybob | redhat? |
| 06:03.18 | Sazpaimon | that doesnt look like a standard kernel |
| 06:03.25 | markybob | doesnt look like debian |
| 06:03.28 | Sazpaimon | it is |
| 06:03.35 | Sazpaimon | it came from an image my host gave me |
| 06:04.15 | x3n0 | right...?! |
| 06:04.21 | markybob | then ask your host about quota support |
| 06:05.39 | Sazpaimon | so there's no way I can see if the module is compiled already? |
| 06:05.47 | yetibot | does anyone know if etch is still frozen? |
| 06:05.56 | militant | how do i enable the monitor i just plugged into this laptop? |
| 06:05.57 | markybob | yetibot, yes |
| 06:06.17 | yetibot | thanks |
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| 06:06.56 | markybob | Sazpaimon, what does dpkg -l 'quota' say? |
| 06:07.21 | Sazpaimon | ii quota 3.12-6 implementation of the disk quota system |
| 06:07.24 | \amethyst | Sazpaimon: do you have a copy of the config for the kernel (in /boot/ maybe) ? |
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| 06:07.50 | Sazpaimon | config-2.6.16.33-061227b |
| 06:08.01 | markybob | Sazpaimon, what does dpkg -l 'xfsprogs' say? |
| 06:08.04 | \amethyst | Sazpaimon: grep CONFIG_XFS_QUOTA config-blahblah |
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| 06:08.11 | wiiman | hey |
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| 06:08.19 | wiiman | i know this is retarded |
| 06:08.22 | wiiman | but.. |
| 06:08.23 | Sazpaimon | CONFIG_XFS_QUOTA=y |
| 06:08.24 | Sazpaimon | yep |
| 06:08.29 | markybob | Sazpaimon, then you should be ok |
| 06:08.37 | Sazpaimon | then how come quota ain't working |
| 06:08.44 | wiiman | i cant startx because it says command not found... |
| 06:08.52 | Sazpaimon | I have my xfs system mounted with usrquota,grpquota |
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| 06:09.00 | wiiman | whst to i type to get into my display options |
| 06:09.01 | markybob | Sazpaimon, take away the aluminum foil from your computer and let me zone in real quick |
| 06:09.05 | Sazpaimon | yet quota still isnt recognizing it |
| 06:09.07 | wiiman | i cant remember the command |
| 06:09.14 | Sazpaimon | what |
| 06:09.41 | \amethyst | Sazpaimon: you need to use xfs_quota from xfsprogs probably |
| 06:09.48 | yetibot | wiiman: which display settings? |
| 06:09.50 | Sazpaimon | let's see |
| 06:10.06 | Sazpaimon | I have xfsprogs installed |
| 06:10.11 | wiiman | i need to get x back |
| 06:10.16 | Sazpaimon | no xfs_quota program though |
| 06:10.25 | markybob | Sazpaimon, http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/xfs_quota.8.html |
| 06:10.34 | wiiman | just stopped working |
| 06:10.37 | yetibot | wiiman /etc/x11/xorg.conf ? |
| 06:10.38 | Sazpaimon | yeah |
| 06:10.38 | \amethyst | Sazpaimon: what version of xfsprogs? |
| 06:10.46 | Sazpaimon | 2.6.20-1 |
| 06:10.49 | Sazpaimon | do i need to backport it? |
| 06:11.58 | markybob | Sazpaimon, you're root? it puts it in /usr/sbin/ |
| 06:12.07 | Sazpaimon | I'm root, yeah |
| 06:12.14 | Sazpaimon | i've got a bunch of other xfs tools' |
| 06:12.25 | Sazpaimon | just not xfs_quota |
| 06:12.27 | wiiman | lame |
| 06:12.33 | wiiman | i dont know what happened |
| 06:12.33 | \amethyst | markybob: sarge xfsprogs doesn't have xfs_quota it seems |
| 06:12.44 | wiiman | i just turned it on one day and poof no x |
| 06:12.54 | markybob | \amethyst, good to know. stinks for him :) |
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| 06:12.59 | Sazpaimon | wow that's awesome |
| 06:13.02 | wiiman | what can i run to fix x? |
| 06:13.05 | Sazpaimon | I'll backport it then |
| 06:13.11 | rue_house | apt-spy always seems to segfault, suggestions? |
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| 06:13.32 | Sazpaimon | wham |
| 06:13.34 | Sazpaimon | there we go |
| 06:13.47 | Sazpaimon | okay, so how do I get xfs_quota to work with quota |
| 06:14.02 | Sazpaimon | i have a few programs that use quota and I cant make them use xfs_quota |
| 06:14.09 | markybob | wiiman, dpkg -l 'xbase-clients' says what? |
| 06:15.09 | markybob | xfs_quota uses quota. but i dont know if you can use quota directly without using xfs_quota. i dont think you can |
| 06:15.22 | markybob | i dont know, though. |
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| 06:19.04 | yetibot | hmm, i'm scared, i just read this about the kernel in etch "file system corruption since the msync-patch", does anyone know if this has been fixed, and if i should be worried? |
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| 06:21.16 | Sazpaimon | ugh |
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| 06:21.22 | Sazpaimon | i have no idea how this works |
| 06:21.31 | piper69 | evening everyone |
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| 06:22.05 | piper69 | i have not loged in here for a long time i hope all are doing fine |
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| 06:23.15 | \amethyst | yetibot: That patch was reverted in 2.6.18.dfsg.1-9 |
| 06:23.29 | \amethyst | yetibot: back in January |
| 06:23.31 | x3n0 | not bad |
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| 06:24.16 | yetibot | \amethyst, thanks |
| 06:24.40 | Sazpaimon | yeah I'll just work without quotas then I guess |
| 06:24.54 | Sazpaimon | I can't make heads or tails of this program |
| 06:25.10 | Sazpaimon | and it probaly wont work with any of my apps that use the quota program anyway |
| 06:25.13 | arrenlex | I tried compiling a custom kernel, but the boot process hung around the time it had to mount the root filesystem. After 10-20 minutes, it said "/dev/sda5 (that's the root) does not exist" and gave me a busybox initramfs shell. What did I do wrong? (this is a kernel.org kernel w/o patches) |
| 06:25.18 | piper69 | anyone had luck running debian of a USB? |
| 06:25.58 | Supaplex | don't bother if it's flash :P |
| 06:26.10 | Supaplex | I boot from usb on one of my boxes. |
| 06:26.19 | Supaplex | but I have all the other drives as raid. |
| 06:26.30 | xixor | Supaplex: that sounds like a cool setup |
| 06:26.44 | Supaplex | it works great :) |
| 06:26.52 | Supaplex | all sata drives. |
| 06:27.03 | piper69 | Supaplex: really, i have a 1 GB USB stick and i would like to use debian on it , i am running Knoppix on it now |
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| 06:29.10 | venger | arrenlex, sata drives? |
| 06:29.26 | arrenlex | venger: Yes. |
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| 06:30.08 | \amethyst | ha, just had a drunk college student ask me if I was Jesus |
| 06:30.44 | Supaplex | why does apt-setup think I want testing?! |
| 06:31.17 | venger | sounds like you may need to enable a couple more switches, save off your config and keep building from that... a grep -i sata config-2.6.18.55 on my end shows CONFIG_SCSI_SATA=y and CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_INTEL_COMBINED=y. I'm not sure off the top of my head what all I enabled to support my sata drive |
| 06:32.54 | oye | \amethyst: and you told him/her 'Yes, I'm'? (: |
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| 06:33.58 | yetibot | piper69, maybe look at make-live ? i know it does debian live cds, so maybe it does usb too? |
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| 06:34.20 | \amethyst | oye: :) |
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| 06:35.06 | venger | i imagine you opted for the necessary chispset support as well |
| 06:35.15 | venger | chipset* |
| 06:35.32 | piper69 | yetibot: you got a link |
| 06:36.06 | piper69 | i love debian so much, that every time i talk to someone about linux i just say it should all be debian |
| 06:36.18 | arrenlex | venger: Where are these options in the menuconfig? Is it possible to search through it? |
| 06:37.03 | xR | for all those who were helping me earlier... thanks... server is now up and running at clients place... |
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| 06:38.33 | venger | arrenlex, try browsing it in text mode and familiarize yourself with locations in comments. the current config is hidden .conf in your source tree |
| 06:38.46 | venger | .config * |
| 06:39.29 | yetibot | piper69, the package is called live-package |
| 06:39.31 | venger | otherwise open each section and browse, i'd explore every possibly switch anyway |
| 06:41.05 | manu_hack | my xorg sudden doesnt work |
| 06:41.06 | yetibot | piper69, hmm, odd, the package seems to have disappered from etch |
| 06:41.50 | manu_hack | before it worked perfectly, after an update days ago and a reboot, now it didn't work |
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| 06:41.59 | manu_hack | my xorg.conf didnt change |
| 06:42.22 | manu_hack | so what happen? |
| 06:42.56 | venger | manu_hack, check /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 06:43.01 | manu_hack | i did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but with no luck |
| 06:43.53 | manu_hack | venger: the final line said screen found, but none have a usable config |
| 06:44.18 | manu_hack | well, I try with my old working xorg.conf, still the same error... |
| 06:44.22 | venger | you didn't wach the resolution settings? |
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| 06:45.16 | manu_hack | I dont know, but I have a backup of my working xorg.conf, so that should work right? |
| 06:45.31 | piper69 | yetibot: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 06:45.52 | venger | that would depend whats been done before that backup |
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| 06:46.35 | manu_hack | so what should I do? I wonder why reconfigure doesnt work as before |
| 06:48.28 | venger | do you have an nvidia card and done anything with the drivers? |
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| 06:49.06 | manu_hack | venger, no, mine is i810, |
| 06:51.01 | venger | hmm read this manu_hack: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/2f50f25f3b22be8d/a195b8fbd46f706a%23a195b8fbd46f706a its about the 810 |
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| 06:53.42 | manu_hack | venger so that's a bug? |
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| 06:54.12 | venger | well i dunno, you tell me, do you also have that agpgart error before the error you listed? |
| 06:55.53 | venger | if so looks like you could see if intel_agp is being loaded |
| 06:56.03 | manu_hack | the line with (EE) is I810(0): VBE initalization failed |
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| 06:57.33 | skwashd | hi all |
| 06:57.38 | skwashd | i have 2 etch boxes |
| 06:57.50 | skwashd | neither of them are running user cron jobs |
| 06:58.04 | skwashd | neither have /etc/cron.allows |
| 06:58.13 | markybob | i'm a little iffy on virtualization. kvm in the kernel gives you vmi support, correct? |
| 06:58.19 | skwashd | i added an empty /etc/cron.deny |
| 06:58.40 | skwashd | but on both on root's crontab and the /etc/cron* jobs are run ... not the ones for normal users |
| 06:58.48 | skwashd | any ideas? |
| 06:59.39 | piper69 | i am tring to shred my usb "shred -n 1 -z -v /dev/sda" and i get shred: l: invalid number of passes |
| 07:00.12 | venger | well manu_hack google has alot to say about that error as well as the i810 and xorg in general so I'd imagine your answer could be found |
| 07:00.55 | manu_hack | venger, I google a lot of stuff, but none of them works out |
| 07:01.04 | skwashd | piper69: wild guess here ... to use -z you might need minimum 2 passes ... 1 to make it random and a second to zero it ... but i don't really know |
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| 07:01.27 | manu_hack | is it possible to upgrade xorg to that version as in unstable? |
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| 07:02.32 | venger | sure its possible if thats what you want, i run all unstable and sometimes a topic header or google has to save me |
| 07:04.13 | \amethyst | piper69: you typed -n l rather than -n 1 |
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| 07:06.04 | manu_hack | venger: if I upgrade to unstable, can I go back to testing later? |
| 07:06.23 | hark | nope |
| 07:06.30 | hark | !downgrade |
| 07:06.30 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 07:08.18 | scx | hallo |
| 07:09.48 | manu_hack | venger: if I upgrade to unstable, can I go back to testing later? right? |
| 07:09.59 | manu_hack | dpkg, so the best way to upgrade xorg to unstable version is to use dpkg? |
| 07:09.59 | arrenlex | manu_hack: The correct answer to that is yes, if you're good with apt. |
| 07:10.00 | dpkg | manu_hack: what are you talking about? |
| 07:10.52 | venger | backup your data, live a little, a reinstall isn't that bad if you have all you config files |
| 07:10.59 | manu_hack | dpkg, I want to upgrade only xorg to the newest version as in unstable, I should use dpkg right? |
| 07:11.11 | hark | testing and unstable xorg is not much different anyway |
| 07:11.32 | hark | the correct answer is till no |
| 07:11.35 | hark | *still |
| 07:12.10 | manu_hack | well, I don't want to reinstall really ... |
| 07:12.32 | hark | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 07:12.42 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-15 (etch), Packaged size: 432 kB, Installed size: 1308 kB |
| 07:12.45 | hark | !info xserver-xorg |
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| 07:12.58 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-15 (sid), Packaged size: 432 kB, Installed size: 1308 kB |
| 07:13.14 | manu_hack | dpkg, they are the same |
| 07:13.15 | dpkg | manu_hack: what are you talking about? |
| 07:13.23 | hark | !confuse manu_hack |
| 07:13.24 | dpkg | No, how are my mushroom tomorrow, manu_hack? trousers of the people's republic of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 07:13.27 | arrenlex | hark: Well, I suppose if your definition of correct is "possible" or "encouraged". |
| 07:13.35 | Eulex | hello |
| 07:13.40 | manu_hack | so what should I do with my broken xorg or xorg.conf |
| 07:13.47 | arrenlex | hark: +it depends on whether |
| 07:14.04 | hark | testing and unstable now yes, but not if you consider sarge.. |
| 07:14.12 | venger | i'd search that VBE error personally |
| 07:14.15 | hark | tias |
| 07:14.51 | manu_hack | venger, any useful link? |
| 07:15.03 | BlueParrot | oh, I think I just found a bug in either debian/gnome or the packaging of the latter in the former |
| 07:15.27 | BlueParrot | after installing ntp the "adjust date and time" application still tells me I don't have it installed |
| 07:15.36 | BlueParrot | however, it recognises it when I restart it |
| 07:15.53 | BlueParrot | and then if I disable it and try to reenable it it again claims it isn't installed |
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| 07:16.56 | Eulex | tonight, my laptop (running chrony) reconfigured itself to daylight saving time. however, I can't make my server do that, even though I manually run ntpdate it justs set the time to wintertime. both computers have the same timezone, laptop runs etch, server runs stable, laptop hasn't got the rtc on utc while the server does. |
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| 07:17.24 | linlin | can someone with the xvid codecs or divx codecs tell me if this video plays choppy? |
| 07:17.26 | linlin | http://www.techcentric.org/episodes/ep1-promo-xvid.avi |
| 07:17.28 | linlin | oops |
| 07:17.30 | linlin | wrong one |
| 07:17.31 | \amethyst | Eulex: server doesn't have the updates to the timezone files probably |
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| 07:17.36 | hark | !dst change |
| 07:17.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, dst change is Support for DST change in USA 2007 is provided by libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 in sarge and tzdata-2006p-1 in etch. 'zdump -v /etc/localtime|grep 2007' should show March 11 and Nov 4 (instead of April/October). If you've recently updated, run "tzconfig", and restart any daemons relying on /etc/localtime or reboot. |
| 07:17.37 | linlin | http://www.techcentric.org/episodes/ep7-promo-xvid.avi |
| 07:17.56 | pacneil | anybody know a solution for this error? |
| 07:18.05 | Eulex | \amethyst, oh |
| 07:18.20 | pacneil | xlibs-data: subprocess pre-removal script returned error |
| 07:18.28 | venger | manu_hack, use the paster and see if you can start at the VBE error until the end of the file |
| 07:18.32 | cahoot | \amethyst: needed outside US? |
| 07:18.54 | cahoot | \amethyst: i e the timezone data update |
| 07:19.24 | \amethyst | cahoot: probably not, unless your location changed the DST rules this year |
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| 07:19.37 | \amethyst | cahoot: well.. |
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| 07:19.39 | Eulex | eh? should show march 11 and nov 4? but, it changed from wintertime to daylight saving time tonight here in sweden |
| 07:20.02 | cahoot | Eulex: funkade klockrent här - etch |
| 07:20.16 | \amethyst | Eulex: Sorry, I improperly assumed you were talking about the US DST change, since that has been odd this year |
| 07:20.22 | hark | ah, heh taht's probably referring ti the us update |
| 07:20.41 | Eulex | and the settings in /etc/localtime look correct, "/etc/localtime Sun Mar 25 00:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 25 01:59:59 2007 CET isdst=0 gmtoff=3600" |
| 07:20.54 | Eulex | \amethyst, ok |
| 07:20.58 | Eulex | cahoot, well, this is sarge |
| 07:21.19 | manu_hack | venger, after (EE) VBE initialization failed, then it unloaded the modules, fianlly another (EE) said screen found but none have a usable config |
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| 07:22.49 | scv | manu_hack: ? |
| 07:23.00 | Eulex | On the laptop I get /etc/localtime Sun Mar 25 08:23:48 2007 CEST, on the server I get /etc/localtime Sun Mar 25 09:22:02 2007 CEST |
| 07:23.13 | scv | manu_hack: are you using xorg? |
| 07:23.19 | manu_hack | scv, yes |
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| 07:23.36 | scv | manu_hack: can you startx? |
| 07:23.40 | manu_hack | venger, in fact, my error is exactly like this http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070204.232622.d0ca95f2.hu.html |
| 07:23.41 | larsl | I have a USB MIDI keyboard that uses the normal snd-usb-audio driver. It works great when I turn it on after the system has booted, a device file is created and everything. But if it's on when I boot it's as if it doesn't exist, until I turn it off and then on again. Any idea what could be wrong? Which config files should I be looking at? |
| 07:23.42 | Eulex | the output from zdump -v /etc/localtime|grep 2007 is identical on both machines. |
| 07:23.48 | manu_hack | scv, no |
| 07:24.02 | larsl | (using latest Etch) |
| 07:24.11 | \amethyst | Eulex: I know this sounds dumb, but... is the date correct on the server? |
| 07:24.12 | scv | manu_hack: are you using the vesa module? |
| 07:24.12 | manu_hack | it said screen found but none have a usable config, |
| 07:24.31 | \amethyst | Eulex: I'm guessing so, since you used ntpdate |
| 07:24.45 | Eulex | \amethyst, it is |
| 07:24.57 | manu_hack | scv, check in xorg.conf? |
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| 07:25.38 | scv | manu_hack: yes, also see /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:25.39 | hark | manu_hack: it's very likely it is a configuration problem instead |
| 07:25.52 | manu_hack | in xorg log, I have a line (II) I810(0): VESA BIOS not detected |
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| 07:26.39 | Eulex | eh. this is odd. I installed and ran ntpdate on the laptop too, and now the laptop's clock is wrong too. |
| 07:26.42 | manu_hack | before my xorg.conf was generated by running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org, but now it didn't work |
| 07:26.49 | scv | manu_hack: lol, are you using a built-in graphic chip? |
| 07:27.03 | \amethyst | Eulex: What is the output of date on one of the incorrect machines? |
| 07:27.20 | manu_hack | scv, i think so, mine is a laptop |
| 07:27.30 | scv | manu_hack: ... |
| 07:27.32 | Eulex | \amethyst, Sun Mar 25 09:27:22 CEST 2007 |
| 07:27.54 | \amethyst | Eulex: and it should say? |
| 07:28.11 | Eulex | \amethyst, 08:27 |
| 07:28.41 | \amethyst | Eulex: It wasn't supposed to change today? |
| 07:28.44 | scv | manu_hack: what module are you using in the xorg.conf? |
| 07:28.55 | markybob | umm...it current *is* 9:28am cest .. ? |
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| 07:29.13 | hark | he's using i810 |
| 07:29.25 | manu_hack | scv, bitmap, ddc, dri, extmod, freetype, glx, int10, vbe |
| 07:29.41 | scv | manu_hack: sounds ok |
| 07:29.52 | Eulex | \amethyst, was supposed to change this night that just passed. chrony did it automatically on the laptop. |
| 07:29.58 | manu_hack | scv, it was perfectly okay before |
| 07:30.07 | manu_hack | all of a sudden it doesn't work |
| 07:30.23 | scv | manu_hack: try to remove int10 |
| 07:30.26 | manu_hack | maybe because of an update days ago |
| 07:30.31 | manu_hack | okay |
| 07:30.45 | \amethyst | Eulex: markybob seems to disagree with you about what time it really is |
| 07:31.06 | manu_hack | scv, still no luck |
| 07:31.30 | markybob | \amethyst, i'm going by this Eulex, http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=239 look at the dst start date |
| 07:31.50 | Eulex | hmm |
| 07:31.56 | piper69 | \amethyst: thanks that was the problem |
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| 07:32.21 | \amethyst | You shouldn't need a cron job, btw, to do anything about DST changes |
| 07:32.46 | skwashd | i think i finally solved my problem |
| 07:32.51 | \amethyst | Eulex: it's currently 7:32 UTC |
| 07:33.02 | skwashd | crontab -e is creating the crontabs as 600 user:crontab |
| 07:33.21 | scv | manu_hack: *sigh*, my 7600gs is ok |
| 07:33.25 | Eulex | \amethyst & markybob, nvm, just me being confused. |
| 07:33.28 | \amethyst | Eulex: :) |
| 07:33.29 | skwashd | tried ... # chmod 640 /var/spool/cron/crontabs/* ... now waiting to see what happens ... next job scheduled in ~5mins |
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| 07:33.35 | exs | what app is this? http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/images/listen.jpg |
| 07:33.55 | Eulex | \amethyst & markybob, thanks anyway |
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| 07:35.42 | scv | manu_hack: are you still here? |
| 07:35.48 | manu_hack | scv |
| 07:35.50 | manu_hack | yes |
| 07:36.03 | manu_hack | what should I do |
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| 07:36.15 | scv | manu_hack: can use use the "vesa" module instead of i810? |
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| 07:37.12 | scv | manu_hack: how about? |
| 07:37.48 | manu_hack | still doesn't work |
| 07:38.13 | scv | manu_hack: 0.0 |
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| 07:39.04 | manu_hack | scv, 0.0? |
| 07:39.09 | skwashd | nope ... that broke cron |
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| 07:40.16 | scv | manu_hack: I don't know why you can't use the vesa module |
| 07:41.24 | manu_hack | i dont know either, when running startx, it still says the same error |
| 07:41.31 | scv | manu_hack: did you give i810 an intr in the bios? |
| 07:41.56 | manu_hack | scv, I don't know, how could I check? |
| 07:42.02 | scv | ... |
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| 07:43.28 | ma3x | bts is down? |
| 07:43.47 | Eulex | not here |
| 07:44.02 | ma3x | its unable to fetch bugs |
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| 07:44.28 | ma3x | querybts works, but if you apt-get insall something, it won't fetch bugs |
| 07:44.46 | Eulex | oh, ok |
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| 07:44.56 | Eulex | for example http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400000 does work. |
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| 07:45.54 | scx | .away ZZZzzz ... |
| 07:46.00 | scx | oops, srry |
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| 07:49.17 | piper69 | how can i use parted ... do i have to install it? |
| 07:50.03 | hark | !info parted |
| 07:50.09 | dpkg | parted: (The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.7.1-5.1 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 07:50.14 | piper69 | nm.. i got it thanks |
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| 07:57.12 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:57.37 | Supaplex | nnnITE! |
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| 08:01.08 | lnx^_ | hey |
| 08:01.22 | lnx^_ | should the etch rc2 installer be able to detect hardware raids? |
| 08:01.39 | lnx^_ | for me it only detects the separate disks, not the raid arrays i've set in bios |
| 08:03.52 | xingu | bios raid usually means devicemapper softraid. |
| 08:05.02 | lnx^ | yeah, i suppose it is what people call 'fakeraid' |
| 08:05.22 | lnx^ | but unfortunately that's all i've got now, then. any way i could use it in etch? |
| 08:05.24 | xingu | if it were a real hardware raid unit, the storage controller would not be able to see lower than the logical volume group definitions |
| 08:05.56 | xingu | dunno, but the place you're looking for is an option to use dm-raid |
| 08:06.48 | markybob | lnx^, google helps. http://ads.wars-nicht.de/blog/archives/54-Install-Debian-Etch-on-a-Software-Raid-1-with-S-ATA-disks.html |
| 08:07.18 | larsl | Does anyone have an idea why a USB keyboard would get detected when it's plugged into a running system but not when it's connected at boot? |
| 08:07.45 | xingu | larsl: look for a bios option to disable legacy keyboard support would be my guess |
| 08:07.51 | larsl | xingu: MIDI keyboard. |
| 08:09.06 | xingu | larsl: ... wouldn't matter; the issue is that "legacy keyboard support" maps to "create a fake software-only i8042 emulation and attach the peripheral to it at boottime if present" in some cases |
| 08:10.22 | larsl | Why would it try to attach a MIDI keyboard to a i8042 emulation? That's make about as much sense as attaching a soundcard to a software mouse emulation. |
| 08:10.24 | concept10 | xingu, that shouldnt have anything to do with a MIDI keyboar (but I could be wrong) |
| 08:10.50 | xingu | if it's a hid peripheral that's all the bios would care about |
| 08:10.51 | concept10 | larsl, is it a USB powered or does it have some adapter? |
| 08:10.58 | larsl | concept10: USB powered. |
| 08:11.17 | xingu | and yes, it makes no sense at all; but that's garden variety bios code for you |
| 08:11.21 | larsl | xingu: It isn't, it's a class compliant audio/MIDI device. |
| 08:11.50 | concept10 | larsl, thats probably the reason. Does it have option to be powered by batteries or pwr supply? |
| 08:12.30 | larsl | concept10: The LEDs go on right when I turn on the power for the computer though, the kernel doesn't boot until 5-10 seconds after that. |
| 08:12.40 | larsl | And the keyboard has virtually no startup time at all. |
| 08:13.00 | concept10 | larsl, maybe you need to find out what module it uses if any and add that one yourself |
| 08:13.07 | larsl | snd-usb-audio. |
| 08:13.36 | concept10 | add that to /etc/modules and try to reboot |
| 08:13.48 | larsl | It gets autoloaded by udev (or whatever handles it) when I plug it in, shouldn't there be a way to run the same script at startup if the keyboard is detected? |
| 08:13.59 | lnx^ | markybob: thanks |
| 08:14.06 | concept10 | should be |
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| 08:15.03 | xingu | larsl: does it show in lsusb in the rebooted-but-not-detected state? |
| 08:15.19 | larsl | xingu: Hm. No. |
| 08:15.38 | bkw | Is dia the best suited linux program to create UML and similar diagrams? |
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| 08:16.12 | xingu | so, this is either bios grodiness or some issue with power; my money is on the former because the ohci module does a bus reset prior to probe. |
| 08:16.17 | concept10 | larsl, im curious, what type of device is it? |
| 08:16.36 | larsl | concept10: M-Audio Keystation 49e. Works great once it's detected. |
| 08:16.54 | larsl | xingu: OK, I'll take a look at the BIOS then. |
| 08:17.11 | larsl | The USB mouse gets detected OK. |
| 08:17.14 | concept10 | larsl, also put the module in there and see if thats okay |
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| 08:18.20 | xingu | concept10: a device with no driver bound should still show in lsusb |
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| 08:18.56 | concept10 | xingu, okay |
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| 08:20.30 | concept10 | whats the conf file to exclude modules from loading at boot? |
| 08:20.37 | xingu | !blacklist |
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| 08:20.37 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 08:22.00 | concept10 | xingu, thanks |
| 08:22.31 | fooz | where's the backslash on a UK keyboard? |
| 08:23.43 | hark | \ |
| 08:23.51 | xingu | mine is bottom right under ?, but there's at least 3 locations I've been bitten by |
| 08:24.09 | xingu | oh, backslash; under | left of spacebar typically |
| 08:24.14 | hark | (copy it and yw ;)) |
| 08:25.07 | fooz | nm i managed to change windows' keyboard layout. |
| 08:25.13 | xingu | if your keyboard isn't a eu-105 job the symbol might not be mapped at all |
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| 08:25.55 | xingu | fooz: that one annoys me no end, somehow we've managed to end up with nearly every possible permutation of sun type 5 and type 6 keyboard at work |
| 08:25.59 | hark | basically b/w the left shift and z |
| 08:26.06 | \amethyst | There's also compose-slash-slash, but I guess Windows doesn't have compose? |
| 08:26.25 | fooz | i don't even know. my keyboard doesn't, though |
| 08:26.26 | xingu | fooz: it annoyed me, in fact, to the point where I went on a rampage to remove keyboards and replace them with terminal servers. :) |
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| 08:27.11 | xingu | windows doesn't have compose, but it does have alt-np combos; try alt-134 on the numeric pad |
| 08:27.13 | hark | but many laptops etc may not have it at all |
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| 08:28.53 | xingu | on the downside, because I released a skipful of random sun keyboard layouts, the skip raiders at work took them and redeployed them |
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| 08:29.08 | xingu | so every time someone asks me to take a look at a problem on /their/ workstation... argh! |
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| 08:30.20 | fooz | i wish i found a skip full of sun equipment. that never happens to me |
| 08:30.42 | musya3d_ | i get this error trying to do apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 08:30.43 | musya3d_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 08:30.43 | musya3d_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.43 | musya3d_ | E: Broken packages |
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| 08:30.53 | fooz | hehe |
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| 08:31.03 | fooz | musya3d_, which debian distro? |
| 08:31.08 | musya3d_ | sarge 3.1 |
| 08:32.06 | musya3d_ | fooz ? |
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| 08:33.35 | markybob | musya3d_, did you apt-get update before doing apt-get install? |
| 08:33.47 | musya3d_ | yea but let me do it again |
| 08:33.55 | fooz | musya3d_, which version of libapache2-mod-php4 are you installing? |
| 08:34.29 | musya3d_ | not sure its in the repos |
| 08:34.36 | musya3d_ | apt-cache search php |
| 08:34.38 | hark | check apt-cache policy php4-common |
| 08:34.40 | musya3d_ | you have libapache |
| 08:34.42 | hark | it is |
| 08:35.01 | hark | !info libapache2-mod-php4 sarge |
| 08:35.04 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-18 (sarge), Packaged size: 1574 kB, Installed size: 3144 kB |
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| 08:35.53 | musya3d_ | ok |
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| 08:35.59 | musya3d_ | what does that give me? |
| 08:36.07 | markybob | !php4-common |
| 08:36.21 | markybob | eek |
| 08:36.21 | hark | !info php4-common sarge |
| 08:36.26 | dpkg | php4-common: (Common files for packages built from the php4 source), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-18 (sarge), Packaged size: 164 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 08:36.53 | fooz | packages.debian.org shows 4:4.3.10-19 for both |
| 08:36.53 | musya3d_ | yea i got 10-18 |
| 08:36.55 | fooz | as well as -18 |
| 08:37.02 | fooz | musya3d_, try another mirror |
| 08:37.03 | musya3d_ | but it says i need 10-19 |
| 08:37.07 | musya3d_ | which one? |
| 08:37.12 | fooz | one other than the one you're using |
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| 08:37.24 | musya3d_ | i added ubuntu ones and they dont work |
| 08:37.28 | fooz | ... |
| 08:37.32 | markybob | oh that was smart |
| 08:37.34 | fooz | ubuntu isn't debian sarge |
| 08:37.36 | hark | !pebkac |
| 08:37.36 | dpkg | somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
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| 08:37.55 | musya3d_ | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 08:37.56 | musya3d_ | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 08:38.04 | musya3d_ | those are the ones im using |
| 08:38.05 | fooz | try ftp.debian.org |
| 08:38.52 | musya3d_ | just do deb ftp.debian.org? |
| 08:39.05 | musya3d_ | in sourcels.list? |
| 08:39.13 | fooz | no |
| 08:39.22 | hark | yes,, remove the rest and leave just these and the security repo. |
| 08:39.44 | hark | !sources.list |
| 08:39.45 | dpkg | methinks sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
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| 08:40.01 | hark | or run apt-setup ;) |
| 08:40.51 | musya3d_ | it cant read my sources |
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| 08:41.05 | musya3d_ | deb http://ftp.debian.org |
| 08:41.22 | fooz | i told you it's not just "deb ftp.debian.org" |
| 08:41.23 | musya3d_ | is what i put in and i commented |
| 08:41.24 | musya3d_ | #deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 08:41.26 | fooz | read above ^^^ |
| 08:41.27 | hark | musya3d_: just run apt-setup |
| 08:41.29 | musya3d_ | as well as the cdrom |
| 08:42.01 | musya3d_ | http? |
| 08:42.12 | fooz | dpkg told you what to put in sources.list |
| 08:42.13 | musya3d_ | or choose ftp? |
| 08:42.20 | fooz | doesn't matter. |
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| 08:42.29 | fooz | http is probably better |
| 08:42.57 | musya3d_ | so i choose ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 08:43.09 | fooz | sure. it's something other than mirrors.kernel.org |
| 08:43.12 | fooz | like I said |
| 08:43.13 | markybob | musya3d_, did you take your ritaline today? |
| 08:43.25 | musya3d_ | whats that? |
| 08:43.34 | fooz | hehe |
| 08:43.37 | musya3d_ | put what in http proxy info? |
| 08:43.42 | fooz | musya3d_, your proxy info. |
| 08:43.43 | musya3d_ | or leave blank? |
| 08:43.53 | musya3d_ | i dunno what that is |
| 08:43.55 | fooz | if you have no proxy, obviously you can't put anything there |
| 08:44.12 | musya3d_ | um ok i hit enter |
| 08:44.17 | musya3d_ | its doing donwloads |
| 08:44.23 | fooz | it tends to do that. |
| 08:44.40 | BlueParrot | hmm, I'm trying to set a static ip on etch from gnome but it seems to be using dhcp anyway, do I have to edit the configuration files manually ? |
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| 08:45.17 | markybob | BlueParrot, /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces or google for static ip examples |
| 08:45.43 | BlueParrot | markybob: yea I know how to do that, I just wondered if I could use the GUI , it seems to ignore it |
| 08:46.09 | markybob | BlueParrot, i've always had gnome-system-tools not work as intended on me. i dont trust any of it |
| 08:46.25 | BlueParrot | hmmm |
| 08:47.02 | markybob | BlueParrot, if you want gui stuff, you could give network-manager a shot |
| 08:47.09 | BlueParrot | ok, here is the shitty thing, it does have static ip set up in interfaces : / |
| 08:47.29 | markybob | BlueParrot, restarted network? |
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| 08:48.05 | musya3d_ | should i add another source? |
| 08:48.13 | fooz | possibly the security source |
| 08:48.30 | BlueParrot | markybob: it did on its own ... but it seems to have used dhcp anyway |
| 08:48.40 | BlueParrot | it is as if it just ignores the file |
| 08:48.40 | musya3d_ | how would i know which one that is? |
| 08:48.59 | musya3d_ | does debian.secsup.org sound good? |
| 08:49.06 | fooz | ... |
| 08:50.05 | musya3d_ | what? |
| 08:50.16 | fooz | is it a debian security source? |
| 08:50.31 | musya3d_ | i dontk now its a mirror chose |
| 08:50.43 | fooz | if you don't know, don't choose it. |
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| 08:51.05 | musya3d_ | shesh ok |
| 08:51.23 | hark | !.. |
| 08:51.24 | dpkg | hark.. |
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| 08:52.04 | scx | I need a proxy like proxify |
| 08:52.23 | scx | but a free one or at least the hell not that expensive |
| 08:52.33 | scx | anybody knows any? |
| 08:52.48 | hark | run your own on a server? |
| 08:53.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | scx: www.anonymouse.org |
| 08:53.04 | hark | google for some? |
| 08:53.17 | musya3d_ | ok everything is done |
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| 08:53.30 | musya3d_ | so now i do apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 again? |
| 08:53.36 | scx | googled proxy but all that I truied are down |
| 08:53.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | scx: Hey, did you just post that blackhawk amarok theme on KDE-look? |
| 08:53.48 | scx | Dark_Apostrophe: Thanks |
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| 08:53.55 | scx | Dark_Apostrophe: We |
| 08:53.59 | scx | Dark_Apostrophe: like it? |
| 08:54.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah |
| 08:54.11 | scx | :) |
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| 08:54.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I can't use it cause it would conflict with my KDE theme |
| 08:54.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Which is blue and white |
| 08:54.38 | scx | I have all black here |
| 08:54.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | I saw that |
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| 08:55.25 | musya3d_ | hey it works! |
| 08:55.31 | musya3d_ | thanks guys! |
| 08:55.32 | musya3d_ | :d |
| 08:55.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | scx: Also, somehow it makes my monitor flicker when I scroll the screenshot of it. :/ |
| 08:56.07 | scx | weird |
| 08:56.13 | Jabka | when using dd how can i copy spesifick block : for example sector 0 from 448 to 480 (parttion table) |
| 08:56.31 | Jabka | and how to write to spesific block ? |
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| 08:56.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | scx: Due to the lines, probably |
| 08:56.43 | scx | Jabka: bs 512 |
| 08:56.49 | scx | Jabka: in kb |
| 08:57.26 | Jabka | scx:it will make block size 512 (i need only the 448 to 480) |
| 08:57.33 | scx | Dark_Apostrophe: ah, it was pretty hard to make those lines to look correctly in the snapshot |
| 08:57.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | JPEG artifacts? |
| 08:57.55 | BlueParrot | markybob, ok I conclude that gnome sucks. It claims I have no networking at the moment, which is evidently not the case ... |
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| 08:58.05 | scx | Jabka: well I am not sure how but the man has to say |
| 08:58.16 | BlueParrot | in a slightly more diplomatic wording, what am I doingw rong ? |
| 08:58.27 | jelly-home | Jabka: no way, you'll have to read the whole block, modify, and write back |
| 08:58.29 | scx | Dark_Apostrophe: yep, just png looked fine but the file was 1.7mbs |
| 08:58.37 | \amethyst | Jabka: bs=32 count=1 skip=14 |
| 08:58.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Aha |
| 08:58.39 | scx | 1.3 |
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| 08:58.59 | Jabka | \amethyst : thnq |
| 08:59.05 | scx | \amethyst: right |
| 08:59.32 | \amethyst | Jabka: to put it in the right place, you'll have to use seek=(offset in output / 32) |
| 08:59.34 | markybob | BlueParrot, you could install network-manager |
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| 08:59.47 | markybob | BlueParrot, apt-get install network-manager-gnome then run nm-applet |
| 09:00.01 | Jabka | \amethyst 10k again |
| 09:00.02 | markybob | BlueParrot, it's different than the network tool in gnome-system-tools |
| 09:00.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or use KDE. :) |
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| 09:00.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | </pain-in-the-arse> |
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| 09:01.23 | orione | hi |
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| 09:01.31 | Jabka | how can i make dd skip on errors (badblocks for example .. ) ? |
| 09:01.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | dd_rescue? |
| 09:01.50 | scx | Jabka: use ddrescue for that |
| 09:01.51 | markybob | BlueParrot, this is what i'm referring to, fyi. brb. http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
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| 09:02.41 | BlueParrot | markybob: I'll try that |
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| 09:03.07 | BlueParrot | as it is now it seems to override my network setup if I even touch it |
| 09:03.31 | Jabka | scx : thnx |
| 09:03.39 | markybob | BlueParrot, yeah. gnome does that. told you i thought it sucked ;) |
| 09:04.21 | BlueParrot | oh hillarity |
| 09:04.22 | BlueParrot | (nm-applet:6477): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 09:04.27 | BlueParrot | fun ... |
| 09:05.18 | markybob | BlueParrot, be your user, not root |
| 09:05.18 | markybob | i use gnome's "run" thing to launch it |
| 09:05.38 | Jabka | how can enable xgl on x1100 (fglrx dosent support aiglx ) |
| 09:05.49 | BlueParrot | oh, it is that thing... |
| 09:05.55 | BlueParrot | heh, I just killed it :P |
| 09:06.07 | BlueParrot | thats the thing that was claiming I had no networking ... |
| 09:06.49 | markybob | BlueParrot, you goof. i even linked to the site and you didnt see the picture? :) then use the networking' |
| 09:06.54 | markybob | thing in gnome control panel |
| 09:06.57 | markybob | they're different |
| 09:07.02 | BlueParrot | oh |
| 09:07.52 | BlueParrot | markybob: I'm not sure I know what you mean now , I installed the network-manager-gnome package, which was unsurprisingly already installed |
| 09:08.33 | markybob | i'm not sure how much clearer i can make it. gnome control panel connects you to a different gui network config tool than nm-applet |
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| 09:09.42 | markybob | BlueParrot, launch from command prompt if you want. /usr/bin/network-admin |
| 09:09.54 | GmLB | I just loaded a debian box, I'm trying to get alerts by email from it, but exim/sendmail won't route mail to me. Any suggestions? |
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| 09:10.44 | BlueParrot | markybob: thats the one that fucks up |
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| 09:10.56 | markybob | damnit, man, pick one |
| 09:10.59 | markybob | it's either or |
| 09:11.00 | markybob | not both |
| 09:11.12 | markybob | because they're not the same |
| 09:11.18 | markybob | so how can they both be "the one that fucks up" |
| 09:11.19 | markybob | ? |
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| 09:11.26 | BlueParrot | uhm, ok nm-applet just starts a little thing in the notification area, the other one messes up |
| 09:11.39 | BlueParrot | and well, they mess up in different ways |
| 09:11.44 | markybob | BlueParrot, are you being serious or just think it's funny wasting time? |
| 09:11.56 | BlueParrot | I'm dead serious |
| 09:12.25 | markybob | BlueParrot, how is the applet in the notification area the same thing that was fucking up? when you click on that, you cant configure your network? |
| 09:12.55 | BlueParrot | uhm, how exactly > |
| 09:13.09 | BlueParrot | doesn't seem to give me that option |
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| 09:14.23 | piper69 | i get faiel to fetch in some packages when i do apt-get update ....why is that? |
| 09:15.30 | streuner_ | piper69: we need some more infos |
| 09:15.47 | streuner_ | piper69: paste the error in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 09:15.59 | hark | try another mirror |
| 09:16.15 | hark | BlueParrot: with network-manager? |
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| 09:19.38 | xingu | somewhere between 0.5 and 0.6 they broke ike on ipv6 |
| 09:19.41 | hark | speaking of which, is there a cisco vpn client which supports their IPSec over TCP tunneling? |
| 09:19.48 | xingu | hark: yuck. :) |
| 09:20.03 | hark | indeed |
| 09:20.04 | perlmonkey | is anyone experiencing probs with kmail under etch? mine keeps freezing as soon as it checks mailboxes :-/ |
| 09:20.16 | BlueParrot | hark: well basically the little nm-applet thing lets me enable or disable the network, not configure it |
| 09:20.41 | hark | BlueParrot: have you read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ ? |
| 09:20.42 | scx | Oh my goodness! |
| 09:21.16 | scx | a lifelong friend of mine decided to enter the porn indutry! |
| 09:21.19 | hark | you can't have those interfaces et up in /etc/network/interfaces if you want network-manager to handle them |
| 09:21.30 | scx | oh my sacred goodness |
| 09:21.50 | piper69 | streuner_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5808 |
| 09:22.44 | BlueParrot | hark: right, so if I need to use a static ip I need to disable it ? |
| 09:23.02 | BlueParrot | as it seems to insist on using dhcp |
| 09:24.21 | streuner_ | !tell piper69 about non-us |
| 09:25.04 | hark | BlueParrot:iirc, that is indeed a limitation of network-manager |
| 09:25.26 | xingu | is anyone actually using current ipsectools on ipv6? |
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| 09:27.08 | perlmonkey | is anyone experiencing probs with kmail under etch? mine keeps freezing as soon as it checks mailboxes :-/ |
| 09:28.09 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 09:29.01 | BlueParrot | hark: ahhh, yes , it works now |
| 09:29.21 | BlueParrot | aptitude purge network-manager did the trick : ) |
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| 09:33.26 | piper69 | streuner_: i am confused |
| 09:33.55 | hark | perlmonkey: try #debian-kde or #kde as well |
| 09:34.25 | piper69 | streuner_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5809 |
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| 09:34.46 | Mooi | Hey, does anyone know any hacks so that you could use a p3 psu on a p4 motherboard? |
| 09:35.26 | streuner_ | piper69: read the factoid (non-us) again... "there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid" |
| 09:35.30 | hark | !tell piper69 -about non-us |
| 09:35.30 | cahoot | hark: looks like nm actually can handle static ip - Just create a script in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ which contains command to set the IP of wl interface. |
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| 09:35.32 | piper69 | Mooi: stop beeing cheat and go buy you a p4 psu |
| 09:35.35 | piper69 | lol |
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| 09:36.23 | Mooi | :-P |
| 09:36.49 | piper69 | streuner_: you mean to remove it form my source list |
| 09:37.02 | streuner_ | yep |
| 09:37.21 | Jabka | Mooi : do you have diffrent power suppley unit ? |
| 09:37.26 | streuner_ | piper69: those folder doesn't exist anymore at the mirrors... |
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| 09:37.51 | hark | cahoot: ah, nice.. the README did not mention it when i installed it last |
| 09:38.03 | Tsoromu | Yay |
| 09:38.09 | Tsoromu | I'm now etching perfectly |
| 09:38.10 | Mooi | Jabka: the PSU is for Pentium 3. I am wondering how to make it compatible for the Pentium 4 motherboard, as there is a needed connector for the motherboard with four pins |
| 09:38.25 | piper69 | streuner_: it is 2:37am and i am really tired can you help and explain |
| 09:38.27 | Tsoromu | =o |
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| 09:38.38 | Tsoromu | Mooi, that's for MOA POWAA |
| 09:38.44 | Tsoromu | uhh |
| 09:38.47 | maddash | is there any way that I could download (or get the correct md5 hash of) an older release of the etch netinst CD? |
| 09:38.59 | Tsoromu | I wouldn't recommend doing this, but maybe you could add a connector |
| 09:39.08 | Tsoromu | and tap off of the other wires |
| 09:39.11 | Mooi | "ATX12V" |
| 09:39.14 | Tsoromu | you'll burn something out though. |
| 09:39.17 | Tsoromu | Yeah |
| 09:39.23 | Tsoromu | It's an extra 12v ling |
| 09:39.24 | Tsoromu | I gues |
| 09:39.25 | ndowens | maddash: just curious, why get an old one? |
| 09:39.26 | Mooi | Tsoromu: isn't 200W enough?^^ THis system will be running with light stuff |
| 09:39.30 | Tsoromu | oh |
| 09:39.31 | Tsoromu | my |
| 09:39.41 | Tsoromu | 200W is way low for a P4 |
| 09:39.42 | maddash | i suspect that mine is corrupted, because the installer just freezes @ 5% when installing the tasksel stuff (standard, desktop, dns server, etc) |
| 09:39.47 | Jabka | Mooi : if you have some super psu there is a connector you can by for 10$ |
| 09:39.48 | Tsoromu | well. |
| 09:39.48 | maddash | ndowens ^^ |
| 09:39.55 | Tsoromu | It's probably not enough to be safe. |
| 09:39.56 | Mooi | Tsoromu: socket 478... |
| 09:40.16 | hark | !5% error |
| 09:40.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like, or or use a daily build etch installer where this problem has been fixed |
| 09:40.19 | Mooi | 478s are the lightest p4s afaik |
| 09:40.23 | Tsoromu | How many sticks of ram? video card? # of HDs? |
| 09:40.28 | hark | get the rc2 |
| 09:40.44 | Tsoromu | it is made of wins and ownage |
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| 09:40.50 | hark | not you ;) |
| 09:40.54 | maddash | interesting. hark: why is this a problem in the first place? |
| 09:40.58 | Tsoromu | I know, I'm commenting. |
| 09:41.04 | Jabka | 200W will be not enuth for normal pc (1 SATA Good video card) |
| 09:41.04 | Mooi | Tsoromu: I'll be doing a Flash memory drive instead. Two sticks of RAM, Savage S3 (temporarily, will change to NV440). |
| 09:41.22 | Sazpaimon | this is awesome |
| 09:41.28 | Sazpaimon | so these guys i host moved off of my server because they didnt like the way i was hosting them |
| 09:41.35 | Sazpaimon | 3 days later |
| 09:41.40 | Sazpaimon | http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2690/s2bownedji7.png |
| 09:41.44 | maddash | !add aptitude key |
| 09:42.35 | Mooi | Now I need to know how to do that connector thing... |
| 09:43.58 | streuner_ | piper69: come back when you are awake :-P |
| 09:43.59 | hark | maddash: or just install the base system and run tasksel manually |
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| 09:44.11 | hark | maddash: missing key borked earlier netinsts etc |
| 09:44.14 | maddash | hark: yes, I figured that out 30 seconds ago... |
| 09:44.23 | hark | not bad |
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| 09:44.38 | maddash | thanks. |
| 09:44.45 | piper69 | streuner_: lol |
| 09:44.51 | hark | heh |
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| 09:45.05 | hark | maddash: reinstalling? |
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| 09:45.32 | maddash | hark: actually I'm secretly overwriting a clean install of XP my dad made yesterday |
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| 09:45.55 | hark | heh, evil ;) |
| 09:46.15 | hark | or rather, good |
| 09:46.34 | maddash | it smacks heavily of irony, doesn't it? |
| 09:47.30 | maddash | stupid XP didn't recognize the onboard Ethernet controller, but etch does (of course). hopefully this'll be enough to "turn" him. haha. |
| 09:47.41 | maddash | brb. i hear him coming. |
| 09:48.29 | hark | cahoot: they are planning better support for static ip's with 0.7, till then i guess this hack should do :) |
| 09:48.38 | hark | http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ#head-c8b3f6905f51eed368b9c21893edabcc82531bbc |
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| 09:49.43 | Matteo_M | hi there |
| 09:50.05 | Matteo_M | where do I find the boot errors to take a look on them? |
| 09:50.15 | piper69 | how can i learn about sid or woody or etch and what are the diffrents between them |
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| 09:50.58 | hark | that's not XP's fault.. it's even older than woody! |
| 09:51.14 | hark | piper69: /msg dpkg releases |
| 09:52.00 | piper69 | Matteo_M: i think /var/syslogs |
| 09:52.29 | hark | !bootlog |
| 09:52.30 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
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| 09:55.40 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 09:55.41 | dpkg | <kingsley> OK, there are just a few things that I'd rather do before I resort to using 2.6: I'd rather get a vasectomy with a weed whacker, an enema with a garden hose, slam my nose in a car door, have a proctologist named Dr. Hook and watch Roseann Barr do a strip-tease. |
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| 09:56.14 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
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| 09:59.34 | Mooi | just to be sure... the yellow wire on a molex connector is +12V, right? |
| 09:59.49 | Tsoromu | yais |
| 09:59.52 | Tsoromu | red +5 |
| 09:59.55 | zinx | if in doubt, use a multimeter/voltmeter |
| 09:59.55 | Tsoromu | black gnd |
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| 10:00.06 | Tsoromu | true. |
| 10:00.12 | Mooi | ah, sweet |
| 10:00.22 | Mooi | I took a fan, teared apart the molex connector |
| 10:00.27 | Tsoromu | tore* |
| 10:00.31 | Tsoromu | sorry |
| 10:00.32 | Mooi | now I'll use the wires to connect it to the m/b |
| 10:00.35 | Tsoromu | being pedantic |
| 10:00.38 | Mooi | Tsoromu: thanks, ) |
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| 10:00.46 | Mooi | I wasn't sure how to write it :-) |
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| 10:00.57 | Mooi | always correct my english if you can :-P |
| 10:01.03 | Tsoromu | no prob. |
| 10:01.07 | hark | you can also pause the boot messages and scroll up and down.. |
| 10:01.18 | Tsoromu | Mooi, I didn't know fans used molex connectors =o |
| 10:01.58 | zinx | Tsoromu: they can |
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| 10:02.12 | zinx | extra fans tend to use molex or the floppy connectors |
| 10:02.20 | markybob | damn vmware for never working with recent kernels! |
| 10:02.22 | Mooi | Tsoromu: some do. look on ebuyer, for cheap ones |
| 10:02.26 | Mooi | ok, time to test :D |
| 10:02.30 | Mooi | hope it doesn't short or anything |
| 10:02.32 | zinx | case/cpu use the new fan connector on the motherboards, though. |
| 10:02.46 | rastilin | markybob: What version vmware and what kernel? |
| 10:02.48 | zinx | (well, actually, a lot of case fans use molex/floppy) |
| 10:02.56 | Tsoromu | huh. |
| 10:03.04 | hark | markybob: use the any-any-update |
| 10:03.05 | markybob | rastilin, tried 5.5.3 and 6.0 beta with 2.6.20.3 and 2.6.20.4 |
| 10:03.11 | markybob | hark, i did. still no go with those kernels |
| 10:03.41 | rastilin | That's pretty recent, but, did you need to use the debian patch? Sometimes the installer doesn't work. |
| 10:04.04 | hark | debian patch? |
| 10:04.13 | markybob | installed worked fine. problem came when actually running vm's. i tried with multiple and it always locked up hard |
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| 10:04.18 | rastilin | There's an installer patch because the kernel compile fails without it. |
| 10:04.48 | markybob | i wasnt really asking for help. i was just stating my frustration ;) |
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| 10:08.45 | piper69 | streuner_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 says it couldn't find the kernel-image |
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| 10:08.53 | hark | rastilin: yeah, but a 'debian' patch? |
| 10:09.12 | hark | piper69: why install that specific kernel... |
| 10:09.20 | hark | piper69: and aren't you running sid? |
| 10:09.36 | piper69 | hark: what shall i do then |
| 10:09.44 | hark | install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 10:10.18 | Mooi | ok guys |
| 10:10.29 | Mooi | http://common.packardbell.com/itemnr/instr_discovery_jumpers/01-129fp.gif < so which would be for switching on the mobo? |
| 10:10.41 | Mooi | ( http://support.packardbell.com/uk/item/index.php?i=instr_discovery_jumpers&pi=platform_odyssey_imedia ) |
| 10:10.43 | Eulex | piper69, right, the 2.6.11 image is since long deprecated. |
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| 10:15.12 | perlmonkey | i'm having terrible problems with kmail today, anyone else? |
| 10:15.32 | xand | kde-- |
| 10:15.42 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 10:15.59 | rastilin | perlmonkey: What kind of problems? |
| 10:16.03 | streuner_ | piper69: those older kernel aren't in the mirrors... |
| 10:17.05 | rastilin | Actually aren't they in the sarge stable repository? |
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| 10:17.40 | perlmonkey | rastilin: it asks for password for my accounts, when I get to 2nd account it freezes and whitescreens/crashes. I tried an upgrade earlier, now it does same thing, but this time says "cannot process pop3" |
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| 10:18.26 | streuner_ | piper69: just use 2.6.18 |
| 10:18.29 | perlmonkey | rastilin: I was using kwallet to manage passwords which kept causing problems with timeouts due to stale sessions, so I removed kwallet...maybe that's related to the problem? |
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| 10:20.38 | hark | rastilin: they wouldn't be as it was never a sarge kernel in the first place |
| 10:21.20 | rastilin | perlmonkey: yes, you have done a very bad thing |
| 10:21.38 | rastilin | hark: Sorry, I must have been mistaken. |
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| 10:22.12 | perlmonkey | :-< |
| 10:22.12 | rastilin | perlmonkey, when you say you "removed" kwallet, how? |
| 10:22.21 | perlmonkey | apt-get remove kwalletmanager |
| 10:22.57 | rastilin | perlmonkey: Yeah, removing core parts of the system is not good. Try reinstalling it, see if that fixes your immediate problem. |
| 10:23.07 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 10:23.40 | rastilin | perlmonkey: I've noticed that konqueror even caused a lock in sarge stable, so I use gnome with debian, on the assumption it gets more testing. |
| 10:23.54 | perlmonkey | I use gnome too |
| 10:24.03 | Eulex | rastilin, sigh. how is kwalletmanager a 'core' part of the system? |
| 10:24.29 | rastilin | Eulex, because lots of stuff breaks when you pull it out. |
| 10:24.51 | Guerin | rastilin: lots of KDE, you mean |
| 10:25.03 | Guerin | as in, nothing necessary |
| 10:25.04 | perlmonkey | putting kwalletmanager back is solved nothing, same problem |
| 10:25.05 | rastilin | Eulex, I realize that core generally applies to stuff like the kernel and dhcpd. So it's not really appropriate. Yes, lot's of kde, don't be so hard up about it. |
| 10:25.20 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 10:25.29 | Guerin | core is kernel, libs, an editor and screen :) |
| 10:25.39 | perlmonkey | kmail is white screening |
| 10:25.41 | rastilin | As you wish |
| 10:25.58 | rastilin | In which case I have to apologise for misusing that word. |
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| 10:26.12 | Guerin | !rmssmite rastilin |
| 10:26.30 | rastilin | No, please. Anythig but that |
| 10:26.32 | perlmonkey | sheesh, i changed to kmail from Evolution because Evolution was constantly crashing and locking up/slow, and Kmail was stable for a while until now |
| 10:26.37 | free-zombie | geez |
| 10:26.38 | rastilin | On debian? |
| 10:26.44 | free-zombie | a PDP-10 |
| 10:27.06 | perlmonkey | can anyone recommend a single stable pop3 mail client |
| 10:27.17 | free-zombie | perlmonkey: getmail |
| 10:27.19 | rastilin | Evolution |
| 10:27.34 | free-zombie | fetchmail is OK too |
| 10:27.36 | perlmonkey | I found Evolution terrible, i dont know if its due to the size of my inbox or what |
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| 10:27.46 | perlmonkey | or maybe my system needs more memory |
| 10:27.49 | rastilin | If both evolution and kmail don't work, then it's your system that's stuffed. |
| 10:27.56 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 10:27.58 | free-zombie | perlmonkey: also, IceDove, KMail and Balsa are all not bad |
| 10:28.02 | rastilin | What system are you using it on, what version of debian. |
| 10:28.04 | perlmonkey | I have P3-733/256mb |
| 10:28.09 | perlmonkey | etch |
| 10:28.25 | perlmonkey | tthanks |
| 10:28.26 | free-zombie | have a look at balsa... or mutt |
| 10:28.34 | Eulex | I'd avoid gnome and kde on such a box |
| 10:28.43 | perlmonkey | oh |
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| 10:28.52 | rastilin | It would still work though. |
| 10:28.52 | perlmonkey | I will follow your advice then |
| 10:28.55 | hark | I'd avoid iceweasel |
| 10:29.16 | rastilin | hark: what do you have against firefox? |
| 10:29.17 | Guerin | why? |
| 10:29.23 | Guerin | iceweasel is grand |
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| 10:29.29 | free-zombie | hark: 256m isn't all THAT little |
| 10:29.30 | Eulex | rastilin, it's huge memory usage? |
| 10:29.32 | Guerin | 256MB is fine |
| 10:29.52 | rastilin | Eulex, I've never noticed memory usage problems. Mind you, I use a 2GB system with 2GB of swap. |
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| 10:30.03 | Guerin | granted, kde+ff is a bit much, since ff uses GTK and that means double-libs |
| 10:30.11 | free-zombie | firefox has memory leeks alright |
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| 10:30.20 | Eulex | rastilin, right, there's the reason |
| 10:30.20 | Guerin | free-zombie: not that bad, though |
| 10:30.20 | hark | leaks even |
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| 10:30.25 | rastilin | That's why we use debian right? |
| 10:30.47 | free-zombie | Guerin: yeah, worse than X11 though ;-) |
| 10:30.48 | perlmonkey | on my system both ff and gaim frequently crash, like just disappear...when typing anything |
| 10:30.55 | Guerin | free-zombie: not as bad as kde |
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| 10:31.06 | BlueParrot | ok, google doesn't seem to have the answer to this one. Is there any easy way to tell dhclient not to touch ntp.conf ? Like, in the configuration file ? |
| 10:31.10 | rastilin | perlmonkey, that's seriously bad, open up vmstat and read out your swapped memory |
| 10:31.11 | perlmonkey | seems to be when typing quickly |
| 10:31.16 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:31.51 | perlmonkey | phew vmstat doesnt make much sense to me |
| 10:32.33 | rastilin | There's a column called "swpd". it should be your currently swapped memory. |
| 10:32.36 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 10:32.45 | perlmonkey | 27288 |
| 10:32.52 | Eulex | the output of 'free' is easier to interpret |
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| 10:32.56 | rastilin | 27MB right? Not that much |
| 10:33.02 | perlmonkey | free = 8608 |
| 10:33.11 | Eulex | the command 'free' |
| 10:33.38 | perlmonkey | maybe I'm overloading my system? |
| 10:33.44 | rastilin | Not by much |
| 10:34.02 | m4lu6 | So i just switched from Fluxbox, my window manager of many years, to Metacity... whoop-dee-doo. Where are my menus at? I thought Gnome had some "bars" at the top & bottom of my desktop... where are they? |
| 10:34.13 | perlmonkey | I would put memory in but this uses non-standard memory as its a HP workstation |
| 10:34.24 | perlmonkey | could be £££ to find |
| 10:34.27 | Eulex | m4lu6, metacity is the _window manager_ of gnome |
| 10:34.33 | m4lu6 | Eulex i know that. |
| 10:34.41 | hark | that's the gnome-panel.. metacity alone is quite useless |
| 10:34.43 | rastilin | m4lu6, yeah, gnome-panel has the bars and such |
| 10:34.50 | Eulex | m4lu6, the panels aren't provided by the window manager |
| 10:34.55 | m4lu6 | window manager is usless when I have no means by which to initialize windows. no menus. |
| 10:35.00 | rastilin | bingo |
| 10:35.01 | m4lu6 | AH. gnome-panel. that's it! |
| 10:35.06 | m4lu6 | rastilin thanks. |
| 10:35.12 | rastilin | Heh, sorry |
| 10:35.14 | Mooi | hey guys |
| 10:35.26 | Eulex | m4lu6, apt-get install gnome, or gnome-core or whatever |
| 10:35.35 | Mooi | My hack worked, I have a p4 mobo running off a p3 PSU :D |
| 10:35.35 | m4lu6 | i have use fluxbox/blackbox for so long, I've forgotten everything about all other WMs |
| 10:35.46 | m4lu6 | Eulex yeah, i bet i have only a partial install. thanks. |
| 10:36.01 | hark | m4lu6: you can run other wms in gnome fwiw |
| 10:36.01 | perlmonkey | is it normal to see msgs like this: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
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| 10:36.11 | hark | as root yes |
| 10:36.14 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:37.21 | m4lu6 | holy shiite. apt-get install gnome, "Need to get 450 megabytes of packages. 599 megabytes will be used" ... ah, yeah. I had a very, very partial install. |
| 10:37.34 | hark | !install gnome |
| 10:37.35 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 10:38.15 | m4lu6 | nah, I say bring it all. HD space is cheap, and wife has taken to using this machine, she likes eye-candy. |
| 10:41.52 | perlmonkey | wtf |
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| 10:41.58 | perlmonkey | POP3 mailbox paul error: -ERR [SYS/TEMP] POP authentication DB not available (user admin): No such file or directory (2) |
| 10:42.20 | rastilin | Are you running it as root? |
| 10:42.24 | perlmonkey | no |
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| 10:42.44 | setog3 | hmm .. how can I take a video of an xorg session ? |
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| 10:43.14 | MWS_ | does anyone know how long debian is going to take to download if I download the dvd ISO (3.2gb) at 120kb/sec ? |
| 10:43.37 | hark | #basic-math |
| 10:43.37 | bkw | wget or fetch should tell you |
| 10:43.38 | Mooi | Tsoromu: http://wykis.com/leet/ |
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| 10:44.04 | markybob | MWS_, http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/calculate/downloadcalculator.shtml |
| 10:44.06 | Eulex | MWS_, do you need to download the full iso? in any case, your calculator will know. |
| 10:44.13 | marinosi | hello i am trying to install debian netinst under qemu.Do i need to give net for the base minimal installation? |
| 10:44.36 | MWS_ | 4 Hours 56 Minutes 42.97 Seconds, that's not too bad |
| 10:44.40 | Tsoromu | Mooi, tripod or up your ISO =\ |
| 10:44.43 | Tsoromu | uh |
| 10:44.47 | hark | marinosi: no |
| 10:44.47 | Tsoromu | does it work? |
| 10:44.57 | Mooi | Tsoromu: explain? |
| 10:44.57 | Tsoromu | HEY |
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| 10:45.01 | Tsoromu | You have daylight! |
| 10:45.02 | Mooi | it does work :D |
| 10:45.07 | Tsoromu | no fair =( |
| 10:45.10 | Eulex | marinosi, no, but right, if you don't give it networking, you will only be able to get the base system |
| 10:45.11 | Tsoromu | cool. |
| 10:45.18 | Mooi | I just stole some connectors from the fans, and the system runs perfectly |
| 10:45.28 | Mooi | the HDD is loud, but I'll get a memory stick soon for the system |
| 10:45.28 | Eulex | Tsoromu, do you have a debian question? |
| 10:45.32 | Kevin` | marinosi why do you not want to provide networking? qemu can do it with user privilages |
| 10:45.32 | bkw | Every morning cron notice me about "/bin/mv: inter-device move failed: `/home/bkw/backup/databaser' to `/backup/databaser'; unable to remove target: Is a directory" Is it possible to exclude directories using mv like: /bin/mv /home/bkw/backup/* /backup/ 2>&1 > /dev/null ? |
| 10:45.35 | setog3 | I want something like xwd but not to get image .. I want to get a video .. |
| 10:45.48 | Mooi | It'll be the memory stick for booting the system, a wireless connector for the system to actually retrieve data |
| 10:45.54 | Tsoromu | Eulex, I suppose that's a prerequisite for being in this channel eh? |
| 10:45.59 | Tsoromu | Apart from maybe being idle. |
| 10:46.04 | marinosi | moment please..For te base system i need businesscard or netinst? |
| 10:46.06 | setog3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.10 | setog3 | sorry |
| 10:46.15 | cahoot | setog3, IIRC there are a few - I remeber one called istanbul |
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| 10:46.39 | Kevin` | marinosi the base install from netinstall really is minimal, but I believe you can do it |
| 10:46.42 | Tsoromu | marinosi, if you want to be able to install a very basic system w/o interwebs, you need netinst |
| 10:46.52 | hark | marillat's repos have xvidcap too |
| 10:47.02 | Eulex | Tsoromu, not really, but at least a prerequisite is not to spam. see /msg dpkg enter |
| 10:47.11 | setog3 | ok thx |
| 10:47.14 | Tsoromu | Uh, okay. |
| 10:47.33 | Tsoromu | I'll refrain from consciously spamming from this point forth. |
| 10:47.38 | hark | byzanz is another one |
| 10:48.45 | perlmonkey | POP3 mailbox paul error: -ERR [SYS/TEMP] POP authentication DB not available (user admin): No such file or directory (2) :( |
| 10:49.41 | perlmonkey | what does it mean, POP authentication DB not available? how can it not be available?! |
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| 10:50.39 | wols | perlmonkey: the auth DB for your pop3 server? |
| 10:50.50 | wols | and of course you should use imap anyways :) |
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| 10:51.03 | perlmonkey | bah |
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| 10:52.14 | The_Ball_ | what's the package which allows you to build sources? wasn't it buildutils? |
| 10:52.29 | hark | !b-e The_Ball_ |
| 10:52.30 | dpkg | The_Ball_: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 10:52.36 | wols | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:52.38 | wols | dh_make |
| 10:52.41 | The_Ball_ | cheers |
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| 10:54.28 | perlmonkey | hmm something is majorly screwed up here |
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| 10:54.44 | perlmonkey | all my logs are empty/logging has stopped |
| 10:55.15 | BlueParrot | uhm, ok, I have been trying to get ntp to cooperate with dhcp. The ntp troubleshooting guide recomends telling dhclient not to overwrite ntp.conf ( for obvious reasons ) |
| 10:55.28 | BlueParrot | so the question is, how do I do that ? I.e , where is it called ? |
| 10:56.32 | perlmonkey | no logging :( |
| 10:56.36 | wols | BlueParrot: why would it overwrite ntp.conf? what for? |
| 10:56.45 | wols | perlmonkey: is syslog running? |
| 10:57.19 | BlueParrot | wols: it does overwrite it. Apparently the dhcp server can configure ntp... |
| 10:57.28 | perlmonkey | wols: 5694 ? 00:00:02 syslogd |
| 10:57.35 | BlueParrot | now this causes trouble for me because my router doesn't have that option |
| 10:57.45 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.50 | BlueParrot | but ntp.conf is still being overwritten |
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| 10:58.33 | psyco-obiwan | BlueParrot: I never used ntp AND dhcp, but maybe call rdate via cron and adjust time like this ? |
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| 11:02.22 | BlueParrot | psyco-obiwan: I don't normally use dhcp and ntp , but I sometimes connect my computer to the university network, where I have to use dhcp and it makes it a hassle |
| 11:02.29 | perlmonkey | server is screwed :( |
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| 11:06.21 | perlmonkey | doesnt make any sense to me |
| 11:06.31 | eilker_ | i get this error, when i am trying for ssh to virtual server // Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive) any idea ? |
| 11:06.35 | GmLB | Can you resize a logical volume in LVM2 if it's a "striped" volume? |
| 11:07.43 | BlueParrot | ahaaa, success |
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| 11:08.01 | BlueParrot | Google is so win some times ... |
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| 11:11.05 | perlmonkey | yes but not for me :( |
| 11:12.45 | BlueParrot | heh , I have used the last 3 hours trying to set up ntp propperly after I forgot about daylight savings :P |
| 11:13.06 | BlueParrot | problem is I keep finding out about new features meaning this will take all day |
| 11:13.07 | perlmonkey | simple error "POP authentication DB not available" eh, no simple answer on Google |
| 11:13.36 | perlmonkey | its annoying wasting so much time fixing constant problems in Linux eh |
| 11:13.44 | BlueParrot | perlmonkey: try the gentoo forums, they have all the problems hence also all the solutions ; ) |
| 11:13.48 | perlmonkey | a whole day can be spent just to get things working as they should do |
| 11:13.57 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 11:14.16 | perlmonkey | I'm tempted to move to stable |
| 11:14.27 | BlueParrot | well at least on Linux you can fix them ... |
| 11:14.33 | roxy_ | how can I change the default colours for console based app ? |
| 11:14.39 | perlmonkey | yeah, if you have the time and patience :( |
| 11:15.19 | rastilin | perlmonkey, good luck with that |
| 11:15.27 | rastilin | You'll still be using linux applications |
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| 11:15.38 | perlmonkey | but powered by Sun(tm) ;-) |
| 11:15.45 | roxy_ | rastilin: what is a linux applications ? |
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| 11:16.13 | perlmonkey | maybe something closer to Unix would be more stable/reliable? |
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| 11:16.21 | CharminTheMoose | god i feel depressed/annoyed |
| 11:16.28 | perlmonkey | phew I know the feeling |
| 11:16.45 | markybob | they have a cure. it's called alcohol - try it |
| 11:16.52 | rastilin | roxy_: He'll be using the same applications he uses now, just recompiled to run on solaris. |
| 11:17.00 | perlmonkey | when Linux works its great, but when the problems start up, you're bogged down with them for days |
| 11:17.04 | rastilin | perlmonkey, you mean like BSD? |
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| 11:17.15 | perlmonkey | yes, is BSD less prone to problems? |
| 11:17.37 | Kevin` | perlmonkey what pop server are you using, anyway? |
| 11:17.53 | rastilin | perlmonkey, the kernel's more stable but guess what, same applications, it also has fewer drivers. Although the stability thing isn't really noticeable since neither linux or BSD actually crash. |
| 11:18.01 | rastilin | Less responsive too |
| 11:18.55 | perlmonkey | Kevin': I'm running Postfix and qpopper |
| 11:19.07 | Kevin` | I assume you are not using system accounts for mail? |
| 11:19.18 | perlmonkey | I am |
| 11:19.31 | Kevin` | why a seperate authentication db then? |
| 11:19.56 | perlmonkey | good question, something has gone seriously messed up and I haven't even done anything. system logging has stopped also |
| 11:20.16 | Kevin` | syslog is running? |
| 11:20.25 | perlmonkey | the only change I have made to my server in last 24 hrs is to add a new user |
| 11:20.36 | perlmonkey | and change that users id in group |
| 11:20.45 | Guerin | perlmonkey: i blame qmail |
| 11:20.51 | perlmonkey | sysklogd is running |
| 11:20.54 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 11:20.59 | Guerin | qpopper with postfix? |
| 11:21.02 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 11:21.06 | Guerin | wtf |
| 11:21.28 | concept10 | im curious.. how can somebody truly say that BSD or Linux or Solaris is more stable than the other? |
| 11:21.29 | perlmonkey | qpopper doesnt seem to be running |
| 11:21.32 | markybob | heh. really the best part about #debian is reading people's reactions ;) |
| 11:21.32 | perlmonkey | but postfix is |
| 11:21.35 | Kevin` | perlmonkey syslog.conf has an appropriate entry for wherever you looking for logs? |
| 11:21.48 | Guerin | concept10: it all hinges on your definition of stable |
| 11:21.59 | perlmonkey | yes, absolutely nothing is being logged, syslog,messages,mail.log etc |
| 11:22.01 | perlmonkey | all empty |
| 11:22.02 | Guerin | concept10: all three will run for as long as their power supply allows, if set up right |
| 11:22.17 | rastilin | So will windows. |
| 11:22.27 | Guerin | right |
| 11:22.32 | rastilin | What happens when the processor load hits 100% and you start thrashing the drive? |
| 11:22.39 | Guerin | except that `set up right' in windows' case means `doing nothing' |
| 11:22.49 | rastilin | Or your gigabit ethernet card gets pinged to 100% usage. |
| 11:22.53 | perlmonkey | does "-" infront f log entry in syslog.conf mean "dont log" |
| 11:22.53 | Kevin` | the processor load is at 100% and the drive thrashes |
| 11:23.00 | perlmonkey | *of |
| 11:23.06 | Kevin` | perlmonkey it means don't sync immediately |
| 11:23.11 | perlmonkey | ah ok |
| 11:23.33 | Kevin` | rastilin hopefully you'd look for the cause of it ;) |
| 11:23.57 | perlmonkey | i just dont understand why suddenly my system goes from fine, to not logging and pop3 auth db probs |
| 11:24.06 | rastilin | Generally, it's because I'm ripping multiple dvd's while running a server and playing ut2004. |
| 11:24.06 | BlueParrot | Guerin: I'm not quite sure that is true, you need to do quite a lot in windows in order to prevent it from being taken down by various spambots etc ... |
| 11:24.07 | perlmonkey | drives you made eh |
| 11:24.07 | rastilin | Which I saw one guy do |
| 11:24.09 | perlmonkey | *mad |
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| 11:24.38 | perlmonkey | maybe I should undo what I did yesterday hmm |
| 11:24.39 | Guerin | BlueParrot: yeah, but ignoring that, it only lasts months if constantly at idle |
| 11:25.06 | Guerin | when windows server 2k3 was first released, MS advised admins to reboot at least once every few months - as a precaution |
| 11:25.08 | Kevin` | perlmonkey I would try to pin down what's changed. check for files modified since it was known working, check filesystem for errors, disk errors, etc |
| 11:25.22 | perlmonkey | good idea |
| 11:25.22 | Guerin | of course, most never had to |
| 11:25.25 | Virtual | Hello, I am encountering a problem while trying to install Debian RC2 on my Dell I 1501, when it hits sata says that sata is up at 1.5 Gbs and right after that says IRQ trap set at vector 10, after a little while says timeout, starts sata again and says also that couldn`t identify, any solutions are welcomed |
| 11:25.47 | perlmonkey | Kevin': is there a command to show you a summary of files modified recently? |
| 11:25.48 | concept10 | I hate to be a Windows critic just because its popular to do so, but my audio system goes down for no reasons at all sometimes. Only time I ever see Linux behaving badly is when operating without a properly configured swap |
| 11:25.57 | Guerin | Virtual: /msg dpkg linux 2.6.20 |
| 11:26.06 | perlmonkey | not having any log info makes things very tricky |
| 11:26.12 | Guerin | hm, is there a .20 yet? |
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| 11:26.24 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 11:26.24 | dpkg | well, sarge 2.6.20 is http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 11:26.29 | Kevin` | perlmonkey well, find can do it. I don't know of any fancy programs that make graphs and such :) |
| 11:26.35 | Guerin | Virtual: see above ↑ |
| 11:26.36 | BlueParrot | concept10: oh well, Linux has a few problems every now and then, usually when you try to run non-free stuff on it *cough* ATI *cough* |
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| 11:27.08 | concept10 | BlueParrot, ATI? whats wrong with the free radeon drivers? |
| 11:27.17 | rastilin | Yeah, because the OSS drivers run SOO much better. |
| 11:27.22 | rastilin | He means the binary drivers. |
| 11:27.23 | Guerin | BlueParrot: of course, that's the major problem with windows too - broken proprietary shite |
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| 11:27.46 | rastilin | Hah, the "nv" drivers still don't work on this machine, this machine being a 6600. It doesn't show a cursor. |
| 11:28.00 | concept10 | my free radeon drivers are better than the drivers in windows, my game run much better on linux |
| 11:28.01 | rastilin | The intel drivers don't ouput 3d on the macbook. |
| 11:28.18 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 11:28.25 | Kevin` | they do on mine.. |
| 11:28.26 | concept10 | when I reinstalled my game on linux, my performance went up and I started kicking ass again |
| 11:28.28 | Guerin | rastilin: the OSS drivers work fine - if you use them as intended |
| 11:28.30 | rastilin | Your card released in the past 4 years? |
| 11:28.38 | Guerin | (in most cases) |
| 11:28.39 | rastilin | You mean with a geforce 2? |
| 11:28.43 | concept10 | but my card is old |
| 11:28.48 | Guerin | if you want games, buy a PS2 |
| 11:28.55 | Guerin | or run windows |
| 11:28.56 | rastilin | I can run ps2 games on linux. |
| 11:29.00 | BlueParrot | concept10: well yea, but the free radeon drivers have little to do with ATI iirc ... |
| 11:29.01 | rastilin | I run linux on the other computer. |
| 11:29.03 | Guerin | use the right tool for the job |
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| 11:29.29 | rastilin | I prefer to have a working desktop though, not something without a cursor. How do the nv drivers stuff up the command line anyway? |
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| 11:29.54 | Guerin | rastilin: nvidia are known-retarded |
| 11:30.10 | Guerin | they broke their hardware and now everyone has to play catch-up |
| 11:30.13 | Guerin | and be haters |
| 11:30.50 | rastilin | Pfeh, is that it? |
| 11:30.54 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:31.03 | Guerin | they've done it a few times, in small and subtle ways |
| 11:31.04 | rastilin | I would say it's because all the people programming for it only have geforce 2 cards. |
| 11:31.22 | Guerin | and of course, with every driver release their drivers are fucked in a different way |
| 11:31.31 | Guerin | !nvidiasmite rastilin |
| 11:31.32 | BlueParrot | siiigh.. it isn't easy. If you want free graphics drivers you have to go with an intel motherboard, thus being shafted in terms of wireless and bios ... |
| 11:31.46 | rastilin | Hah, I HAVE an intel motherboard. |
| 11:31.50 | rastilin | Macbook remember. |
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| 11:31.53 | rastilin | That doesn't work either. |
| 11:31.59 | BlueParrot | : ) |
| 11:32.00 | Kevin` | what's wrong with intel motherboards and wireless |
| 11:32.00 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:32.04 | Guerin | that's apple's stupidity |
| 11:32.09 | Kevin` | or external video cards |
| 11:32.14 | rastilin | Nope, the graphics chip is standard. |
| 11:32.14 | Guerin | this is the thing: commodity hardware is good |
| 11:32.22 | Guerin | `special' hardware makes you special |
| 11:32.23 | BlueParrot | Kevin`: they had some fun refusing to let you redistribute the firmware for some of the cards |
| 11:32.27 | rastilin | Standard hardware. |
| 11:32.29 | Guerin | rastilin: if it was, it'd work. |
| 11:32.37 | Guerin | clearly the mactrads have fux0red it somehow |
| 11:32.42 | rastilin | It does work, just not with the stable drivers, sabayon runs fine with 3d. |
| 11:32.51 | rastilin | But, Sabayon's unstable, so I switch to debian |
| 11:32.58 | rastilin | But, debian's too stable to run unstable drivers. |
| 11:33.07 | Kevin` | BlueParrot is this a problem for you? do you need to redistribute the firmware? if so, get another minipci card and pop it in :) |
| 11:33.41 | concept10 | The free software politics keep so many things away from linux |
| 11:33.57 | Guerin | concept10: bollock. It's the only thing which safeguards development. |
| 11:34.11 | BlueParrot | Kevin`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel#Intel_and_Free_software |
| 11:34.38 | concept10 | Guerin, safegaurd maybe, but in the end we suffer because of it too. |
| 11:34.46 | BlueParrot | Kevin`: well the point is that I shouldn't have to buy more hardware simply because intel is being anal about their firmware |
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| 11:34.59 | Kevin` | BlueParrot so download the firmware and use it.. |
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| 11:35.03 | [sr] | hi guys |
| 11:35.10 | [sr] | how to make clock to auto update? |
| 11:35.27 | BlueParrot | Kevin`: sure, I'll just fire up my network card ... oh wait |
| 11:35.28 | Guerin | concept10: *you* suffer, by making poor choices for the tasks you want to complete. If you want 3d, run an OS with native 3d support and drivers. If you want games, run an OS or appliance with native gamne support. |
| 11:35.29 | [sr] | i mean, i want to change it to GMT, it is set to WEST |
| 11:35.33 | Guerin | simple |
| 11:35.42 | Kevin` | BlueParrot oh don't be silly, it's not that hard |
| 11:35.50 | rastilin | Linux has native 3d support. |
| 11:36.00 | Kevin` | and native games |
| 11:36.05 | rastilin | Which suck |
| 11:36.11 | rastilin | But the 3d support is good |
| 11:36.14 | Kevin` | I like several linux games |
| 11:36.14 | Guerin | trying to run windows games and proprietary drivers on free software is EXACTLY as retarded as trying to run industrial-strength critical server stuff on a wintendo |
| 11:36.22 | BlueParrot | Kevin`: it is an inconvenience that isn't necessary, and it hurts the open source and free software communities for no good reason |
| 11:36.24 | concept10 | its good enough |
| 11:36.26 | pstickne | grr. does anyone know what would leave a "-- MARK --" in my syslog every 20 minutes? |
| 11:36.28 | Kevin` | play them more then $BIGNAME windows game |
| 11:36.42 | Guerin | rastilin: it has some, sure. |
| 11:36.57 | Kevin` | BlueParrot ok, if you say so. but for me it's not much of an inconvienience |
| 11:37.01 | rastilin | No, I hate them. I'd rather play FEAR and Titan Quest. |
| 11:37.02 | concept10 | Guerin, see your prior statement is the problem I was referring to |
| 11:37.06 | Eulex | pstickne, syslogd? |
| 11:37.06 | Guerin | pstickne: so you know it's still running |
| 11:37.10 | rastilin | Which are awesome. |
| 11:37.15 | Guerin | concept10: it's not a problem. |
| 11:37.22 | concept10 | Whats wrong with running proprietary software on a free OS? |
| 11:37.25 | pstickne | Eulex, hmm, gonna look ^^ |
| 11:37.31 | Guerin | concept10: it doesn't work right. |
| 11:37.35 | Guerin | concept10: that's all. |
| 11:37.49 | Guerin | concept10: if it DOES work right - wait a while. It'll change. |
| 11:37.56 | concept10 | That's why you won't see AutoCAD on Linux because of that type of thinking |
| 11:38.13 | rastilin | Which is more about politics than actually getting things done. |
| 11:38.26 | Guerin | concept10: fine, those who need autocad can use an OS for which it is released. |
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| 11:38.32 | rastilin | Fundamentally, the reason we use computers is because we can use them to do stuff faster. |
| 11:38.36 | BlueParrot | concept10: non-free software ON a free OS is one thing. Broken and malfunctioning blobs in kernel space is another |
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| 11:38.56 | rastilin | You mean like the nv drivers, I agree completely. I'll use nvidia. |
| 11:39.00 | concept10 | free software advovates speak freedom but some others just don't want to pay for no software at all |
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| 11:39.10 | concept10 | theres a difference |
| 11:39.20 | Guerin | concept10: those two statements are orthoganal |
| 11:39.34 | rastilin | Not at all, we need the freedom to use closed source software. |
| 11:39.44 | Guerin | rastilin: who's denying that freedom? |
| 11:39.46 | HostilePenguin | why pay for software that has a eula stating that its not yours? |
| 11:39.50 | concept10 | rastilin, thats what im saying |
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| 11:40.04 | Guerin | nobody is denying that freedom |
| 11:40.09 | rastilin | There was a patch to stop binary drivers from being installable into the kernel a while back. |
| 11:40.18 | Guerin | by all means - use it, just don't whine about how crap it is |
| 11:40.20 | rastilin | That's the ultimate insult. |
| 11:40.27 | Guerin | rastilin: which was reversed. |
| 11:40.34 | rastilin | Yeah, but for a little while, it was there. |
| 11:40.49 | Guerin | rastilin: that's not an insult, since you still have the unilateral ability to remove any patch in linux, if you choose |
| 11:41.04 | Guerin | rastilin: if you don't like something, change it - THAT is the freedom. |
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| 11:41.17 | rastilin | Well no, I have to go with debian, I'm not good enough to mess around like that. |
| 11:41.25 | HostilePenguin | thank you |
| 11:41.31 | rastilin | Besides, once the patch goes in, nvidia may well just stop publishing drivers. |
| 11:41.36 | rastilin | Then what? |
| 11:41.43 | Eulex | rastilin, well, you should consider that actually injecting non-gpl-compatible kernel modules into the kernel is by quite some chance... illegal. |
| 11:41.45 | concept10 | okay, we have that freedom, but what i'm saying is that proprietary companies think that most FOSS advocates will not pay for software at all so they do not release great products on Linux |
| 11:41.49 | Guerin | rastilin: so you don't really care that much. Fair enough. I guess you get to live with what others want. |
| 11:41.56 | Guerin | concept10: so? |
| 11:42.09 | rastilin | Is it? I thought only shipping it was illegal? |
| 11:42.11 | HostilePenguin | nvidia dosent want to make linux drivers its a pain in the ass you can see by their quality |
| 11:42.22 | Guerin | concept10: how is this complicated? If you weant to use foosoftware, use a platform which foosoftware supports |
| 11:42.31 | rastilin | They're awesome, they do everything the windows version does |
| 11:42.45 | concept10 | Guerin, so? Here's why.. I would like to run a proprietary application on another OS other than Windows. |
| 11:42.48 | Guerin | rastilin: except install. |
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| 11:42.55 | HostilePenguin | lol |
| 11:42.58 | Guerin | concept10: complain to the vendor. Neeeext. |
| 11:42.59 | pstickne | Guerin, thanks Eulex |
| 11:43.03 | rastilin | ? |
| 11:43.03 | psyco-obiwan | concept10: most vendors do NOT understand OSS concepts and chances. |
| 11:43.09 | rastilin | They install fine. |
| 11:43.09 | pstickne | Guerin, 20 minutes is just a tad too frequent for me ^^ |
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| 11:43.15 | eilker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.27 | Guerin | concept10: in proprietaryland, the ONLY person with full control is the vendor. You want something, you talk to them. No other way. |
| 11:43.43 | Guerin | rastilin: and then fail on upgrade, |
| 11:43.49 | benluo | eilker: do you install some firewall |
| 11:43.54 | Guerin | unless you use complicated kernel-rebuilding sk1lz |
| 11:44.09 | eilker | benluo: i dont have firewall, |
| 11:44.20 | concept10 | psyco-obiwan, I know they don't. So I could guess they think the politics are too great and don't even bother. |
| 11:44.27 | Guerin | eilker: that's not a firewall thing, that's a bad-auth thing |
| 11:44.28 | Eulex | rastilin, yes, it is by quite some chance considered as a derived work of the kernel (this hasn't been tested legally) and any derived works have to be gpl-ed. |
| 11:44.42 | concept10 | Guerin, no, you are in control - with your $$$ .. no one makes you buy |
| 11:44.56 | psyco-obiwan | OSS ideas and concepts just dont fit the next-quarter-revenue mentality.. |
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| 11:45.01 | eilker | Guerin> what should i do ? |
| 11:45.06 | rastilin | What we need is a court decision. |
| 11:45.06 | concept10 | Guerin, they are only in control of their development process |
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| 11:45.12 | Guerin | concept10: you keep talking about politics, but that's not it. The key to the gulf between proprietary and free software is in economics - or specifically, in game theory and perceived utility. |
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| 11:45.35 | Guerin | eilker: fix it. |
| 11:45.44 | Guerin | rastilin: why? |
| 11:45.50 | Guerin | rastilin: what would that achieve? |
| 11:46.05 | rastilin | It would settle the issue. |
| 11:46.09 | Guerin | rastilin: how? |
| 11:46.12 | Guerin | and what issue? |
| 11:46.22 | rastilin | People would stop saying "it is technically illegal, but not settled". They'd be either a dervied work, or not. |
| 11:46.23 | concept10 | I simply don't subscribe to RMS' notion that I shouldn't use a non-free program because it provides me with an easier way to accomplish something. This is stupid. |
| 11:46.24 | Guerin | you want a court to tell nvidia to free they drivers? |
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| 11:46.47 | rastilin | No, I want a court to tell the FSF that nvidia can supply binary drivers, and for them to shut up about it. |
| 11:47.08 | Guerin | concept10: and nobody is forcing you to subscribe to that theory., Not even RMS - he specifically says each person has the unilateral right to do stupid things. |
| 11:47.10 | concept10 | The fact is that closed and open source provides a way for developers to innovate. |
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| 11:47.27 | Guerin | rastilin: nobody is saying nvidia CANNOT supply binary drivers. |
| 11:47.44 | Guerin | not even the FSF |
| 11:47.45 | rastilin | But they are saying that the supplied drivers cannot be legally included. |
| 11:47.52 | concept10 | If all software was open sourced and free, it will slow innovation |
| 11:47.52 | Guerin | certainly not linus and the kernel devs |
| 11:47.55 | rastilin | Which is a big hassle. |
| 11:48.03 | BlueParrot | eilker: exactly what are you trying to do ? |
| 11:48.17 | Guerin | rastilin: they can't be, since they're not license-compliant. It's not a matter of debate, it's certainly not undecided. |
| 11:48.29 | Eulex | rastilin, http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=gpl |
| 11:48.36 | Guerin | concept10: that's unprovable. |
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| 11:48.43 | rastilin | Ah, that case. |
| 11:49.00 | eilker | blueparrot: my host os is kubuntu edgy, i run debian (base install -non gui) on vmvare server , i try to ssh between them. |
| 11:49.22 | psyco-obiwan | concept10: i think from the software that drives the essential functionality is OSS or OSS based. How does that relate to your statement ? Without OSS there'd no Internet at all. |
| 11:49.26 | BlueParrot | eilker: ok, do you get to the stage where you need to input your password ? |
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| 11:49.47 | psyco-obiwan | software for internet.. |
| 11:49.49 | Guerin | rastilin: there are two possible solutions: a change of license for linux (impossible due to the huge number of contributors who would need to agree) or a change of license for nvidia (impossible at this stage, pending expiry of NDAs and patents) |
| 11:49.50 | BlueParrot | eilker: i.e, are you sure things are going through properly on port 22 ? |
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| 11:50.10 | rastilin | Or userspace drivers. |
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| 11:50.27 | concept10 | psyco-obiwan, the internet is one thing, I agree with you on.. but for some other stuff, such as professional audio software.. How do you compete? Open source will not help. You compete on innovations. |
| 11:50.29 | Guerin | rastilin: hah. Funny. |
| 11:50.40 | rastilin | I was serious actually, that was considered at one point. |
| 11:50.44 | eilker | BlueParrot> yes , it asks 3 times my password ,then /Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive) // btw i can ssh myself, |
| 11:51.03 | K0in | Hi there. Does anyone know why my Debian is lacking the rc.status files ? |
| 11:51.13 | Guerin | concept10: you think there has to be a competition model. There does not. Look into non-competitive game theory sometime - hint: it's what runs Survivor. |
| 11:51.15 | BlueParrot | eilker: does it fail no matter which way you try to ssh ? |
| 11:51.24 | rastilin | Survivour the game show? |
| 11:51.30 | Guerin | rastilin: yes. |
| 11:51.33 | BlueParrot | eilker: also, have you tried using ssh keys ? |
| 11:51.35 | psyco-obiwan | concept10: there is meanwhile quite bunch of good oss tools in that area... |
| 11:51.42 | rastilin | Don't they do everything but eat each other by the end of the series? |
| 11:51.43 | eilker | BlueParrot> i dont know how to do it |
| 11:51.59 | BlueParrot | eilker: it is fairly simple, hang on, I'll give you the URL |
| 11:52.05 | eilker | thanx |
| 11:52.06 | concept10 | psyco-obiwan, meanwhile those OSS tools are completely incomplete |
| 11:52.22 | Guerin | rastilin: that's not the interesting bit - the interesting bit is about advantage sharing and utility maximisation. |
| 11:52.31 | BlueParrot | eilker: first result on google for "ssh keys" http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ |
| 11:52.42 | Guerin | anyway, i'm off to bed |
| 11:52.50 | concept10 | psyco-obiwan, im not saying it can't be done is OSS, but they are always lacking |
| 11:52.53 | pstickne | how can I troubleshoot why my user crontab entries don't seem to be being run? |
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| 11:53.04 | Guerin | concept10: you'd probably do better to read a bit before continuing to spout off on this matter - you're embarrasing yourself |
| 11:53.08 | psyco-obiwan | maybe, but the difference to the commercial closed software is which is the same prob: you can easily extend it given the talent to code in that area |
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| 11:53.14 | pstickne | I don't have cron.allow and the user is not in cron.deny, but I get no mail |
| 11:53.20 | BlueParrot | eilker: if that doesn't work I'd suggest you check that port 22 goes through any firewalls etc ... |
| 11:53.32 | concept10 | Guerin, try to run a music studio on free software and then you come back and talk to me |
| 11:54.03 | eilker | blueparrot: ssh user at localhost is working |
| 11:54.07 | Eulex | K0in, there's no /etc/rc.status in any modern debian |
| 11:54.12 | jelly-home | K0in: what are those supposed to contain? I don't remember seeing anything named like that in Debian. |
| 11:54.38 | BlueParrot | eilker: yea I know, but that doesn't go through the same interface |
| 11:54.39 | Guerin | concept10: see, that's your problem - you think your specific problem can be sextrapolated out to a wider theoretical model. It can't. Just because nobody has done what you want them to do in the past ~10 years don't mean it can't - or won't - be done. |
| 11:54.40 | K0in | Oh. Eulex, in fact i've an init.d startup script that search for it |
| 11:54.44 | enouf | busted |
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| 11:55.37 | Guerin | concept10: start at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory |
| 11:55.38 | jelly-home | Guerin: he can't do it _now_, theory be damned |
| 11:55.40 | concept10 | Guerin, im not saying it absolutely cant be dont. Just try to do it in todays market, you will be laughed at and go broke at the same time |
| 11:55.50 | concept10 | *done |
| 11:56.15 | eilker | BlueParrot> could you check my 22. port ? via nmap ? |
| 11:56.20 | Eulex | concept10, same thing if you're running mission-critical stuff on wintendo. |
| 11:56.23 | jelly-home | concept10: well, it's obvious OSS doesn't bring much to that market niche |
| 11:56.32 | BlueParrot | eilker: huh ? |
| 11:56.43 | Guerin | concept10: tell that to the apache foundation |
| 11:56.48 | Guerin | anyway, really sleep now |
| 11:57.09 | eilker | BlueParrot> if it is open or not |
| 11:57.23 | dnc_ | Hi all! Simply question, ulimit/limit (/etc/security/limits.conf) are valid for the shells only or are applied for every process? For example, the memory limit... |
| 11:57.30 | eilker | BlueParrot> i opened it, but i dont know |
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| 11:57.41 | concept10 | jelly-home, OSS its there, but like I said, just behind and incomplete. |
| 11:58.08 | BlueParrot | eilker: are you behind a router of some sort ? |
| 11:58.32 | jelly-home | concept10: in my dictionary "unusable" ~ "not there yet" :-) |
| 11:58.34 | eilker | BlueParrot> dsl router, and only one pc connected to dsl router, |
| 11:58.46 | perlmonkey | well got my sys logging again, but still getting the auth db error on pop3 |
| 11:58.47 | Kevin` | on the tv yesterday I saw the computers at a particle accelerator facility were using the gnome window manager, kinda suprised me ;) |
| 11:58.54 | BlueParrot | ok, NAT or normal routing ? |
| 11:59.12 | perlmonkey | Mar 25 13:42:51 localhost in.qpopper[13046]: admin at 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] POP authentication DB not available (user admin): No such file or directory (2) [pop_apop.c:249] |
| 11:59.13 | psyco-obiwan | eilker: try to telnet to port 22 of the target machine and see if you get sth like :"SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.6" |
| 11:59.20 | psyco-obiwan | if not you have a network problem |
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| 11:59.37 | HostilePenguin | no one said debian or linux was made for a music studio try serving music studio xxx web sites |
| 11:59.45 | BlueParrot | eilker: well I get a password prompt trying to ssh to "85.99.200.158" (Is that your IP ? ) |
| 12:00.01 | eilker | yes it is |
| 12:00.17 | pstickne | I don't think it's a network problem... try to connect to an ssh box that is firewalled or to a server that's not listening... it just doesn't take |
| 12:00.19 | BlueParrot | eilker: ok, try to ssh to that |
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| 12:00.30 | BlueParrot | eilker: as in, try to ssh to your external ip |
| 12:00.45 | Kevin` | ssh to your external ip from behind a nat router rarely will work. |
| 12:00.48 | Kevin` | fyi |
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| 12:00.56 | perlmonkey | aha, solved |
| 12:01.09 | xushi | hi all, is there a debian livecd that is 64bit and has kernel 2.6.19 or above ? |
| 12:01.14 | concept10 | HostilePenguin, Linux is made for that |
| 12:01.14 | BlueParrot | Kevin`: yea, but I doubt he is behind a NAT router seeing I could get to him from here ( unless he has port forwarding set up that is ) |
| 12:01.16 | pstickne | anyway, if _I_ were having this problem with SSH, I would make sure I was running with the "-vvv" option... |
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| 12:01.27 | perlmonkey | kmail is working again, mail prob has gone, logging prob has gone. reboot was all that was needed! |
| 12:01.31 | concept10 | Linux is a general OS. anything should run on it |
| 12:01.37 | pstickne | if he was having network problems he would never be prompted for a password... |
| 12:01.40 | HostilePenguin | comon its not debian music studio its debian linux |
| 12:01.43 | perlmonkey | sometimes a simple reboot can fix a myriad of problems instantly eh |
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| 12:01.49 | Eulex | concept10, well, yes, if it's written for it |
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| 12:02.04 | concept10 | HostilePenguin, its not Debian Web server linux either. |
| 12:02.04 | BlueParrot | concept10: anything CAN run on Linux provided the author ports it to it |
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| 12:02.12 | Kevin` | perlmonkey on my systems it causes more problems then it fixes usually :) |
| 12:02.20 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 12:02.21 | concept10 | HostilePenguin, so your point doesnt make any sense |
| 12:02.22 | Kevin` | perlmonkey since I don't have a lot of stuff in init scripts |
| 12:02.24 | HostilePenguin | what ever just do your thing |
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| 12:02.49 | perlmonkey | Kevin: I had a few probs after the reboot with my NFS and firewall, but as i have good notes in my PDA i was able to sort that very quickly |
| 12:03.07 | Kevin` | what kind of pda? |
| 12:03.27 | perlmonkey | oh its only an old one, a Cassiopeia E-15 but its very handy i keep a lot of stuff on it |
| 12:03.30 | enouf | perlmonkey: don't let Guerin hear you say that |
| 12:03.36 | perlmonkey | :-} |
| 12:03.49 | Kevin` | my pda runs debian :) |
| 12:03.49 | enouf | perlmonkey: the reboot, fixing thing |
| 12:04.26 | perlmonkey | well sometimes you can spend hours trying to get the bottom of why something is playing up, and its quicker to just reboot |
| 12:04.39 | perlmonkey | and the problem just vanishes |
| 12:04.41 | pstickne | Does anyone have any ideas on where to start finding out why my crontab doesn't appear to be working? In it, I have: "0 5 * * * /home/pstickne/backup-svn.sh". However, 0500 just rolled about and I get no mail for that user and no-change in the backup results. I notice that cron reloaded prior to the time so it should have all the information ready for it. |
| 12:04.46 | enouf | hey karsten .. i think i stumbled onto you .. hehe |
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| 12:05.03 | Kevin` | I haven't had many problems on linux that were fixed by reboots |
| 12:05.15 | Kevin` | restarting some service, sometimes |
| 12:05.41 | perlmonkey | that problem with "AUTH DB" not found earlier was caused by Balsa mail client |
| 12:05.46 | pstickne | Is there a particular place to look for other cron-log information? Or does debian have something silly like requiring an /etc/cron.allow or am I just making a really silly mistake? |
| 12:05.46 | perlmonkey | nothing to do with server |
| 12:05.48 | enouf | perlmonkey: all the mem is cleared and services restarted .. ofcourse it can clear up issues if you don't know what's causing them/it precisely |
| 12:06.20 | perlmonkey | as long as the problem doesn't return it doesn't matter eh |
| 12:06.26 | perlmonkey | just be grateful |
| 12:06.37 | enouf | especially with udev/dbus/hal/volume-mangler nonsense :-P |
| 12:06.43 | perlmonkey | :D |
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| 12:09.32 | perlmonkey | eek |
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| 12:09.39 | HostilePenguin | wonderfull |
| 12:09.39 | Kevin` | mmm spam |
| 12:09.39 | enouf | netsplit |
| 12:09.39 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 12:09.39 | enouf | and a return |
| 12:09.39 | pstickne | Anyone with ideas/suggestions about my crontab issue? |
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| 12:09.40 | enouf | pstickne: post it again plz ;-) |
| 12:09.40 | enouf | it's like 500 lines up ^^^ |
| 12:09.40 | pstickne | ohh, hold on, I think I goofed ^^ |
| 12:09.40 | enouf | well . ok .. maybe 200-250 |
| 12:09.40 | concept10 | oh, that's what that button does? |
| 12:09.41 | enouf | heh |
| 12:09.41 | x_link | Hi all Debian fans! =) |
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| 12:09.41 | x_link | enouf: Stop lying this much! ;D |
| 12:09.41 | concept10 | sorry all, I hit the wrong button |
| 12:09.42 | enouf | x_link: it was U! .. i know it! |
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| 12:09.42 | x_link | heheh |
| 12:09.42 | enouf | :-p |
| 12:09.42 | rjalex | my friends I want to do a minimal inst of debian with enlightenment as my graphical environment ... what is the minimum package to bring up the X windows system ? Have an nVidia Geforce 7600 card. thanks you |
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| 12:09.43 | HostilePenguin | whats the best way to navagate /var/log messages its like 500 lines long and i want to go to todays date lets say or yesterdays date but it starts off at the 11 |
| 12:09.43 | enouf | !tell rjalex -about set up x |
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| 12:10.09 | enouf | rjalex: prolly x-window-system-core |
| 12:10.16 | rjalex | thank you enouf |
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| 12:10.23 | x_link | enouf: I will soon start going to this Linux school ;D |
| 12:10.23 | HostilePenguin | or should i read them another way when i read them i sudo more messages |
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| 12:10.40 | x_link | enouf: I can startx in ~1 month. |
| 12:10.43 | rjalex | Hostile, use grep |
| 12:10.49 | enouf | x_link: that's fantabulous ;-) |
| 12:10.59 | x_link | enouf: hehe yeah, I'm really happy about it. |
| 12:11.09 | enouf | heh .. try startx -- :1 |
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| 12:11.13 | x_link | It's 3 times a week, 6 hours every time. |
| 12:11.20 | x_link | enouf: Should I do that? |
| 12:11.22 | jelly-home | pstickne: does a simple command like 13 5 * * * echo foo work as expected? |
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| 12:11.44 | enouf | x_link: no silly .. it was a play on what you wrote ;-) |
| 12:11.58 | x_link | ahh |
| 12:12.00 | x_link | hehe |
| 12:12.08 | x_link | enouf: Anyway.. it will be really cool. |
| 12:12.09 | Virtual | There used to be a gui tool to configure apt, apt-setup it was called, does it exist anymore because I cannot find it... |
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| 12:12.23 | pstickne | jelly-home, I'm trying it now, was off on a tangent but that was a dead-end :p |
| 12:12.24 | x_link | They use Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Debian. I said I want to use Debian when I'm there. |
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| 12:12.33 | enouf | x_link: we're happy for you .. sincerely .. come back and test us .. ok? |
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| 12:12.49 | enouf | x_link: :-) |
| 12:13.06 | rjalex | anyone with an Asus P5B-Deluxe around here ? |
| 12:13.20 | enouf | Virtual: maybe you want configure-debian or debconf |
| 12:14.03 | HostilePenguin | how to open locked file with out being in shell |
| 12:14.16 | x_link | enouf: hehe test you? |
| 12:14.22 | pstickne | HostilePenguin, huh? |
| 12:14.25 | x_link | enouf: I will NEVER know something you guys don't! |
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| 12:14.39 | x_link | and I will never be anywhere near your knowledge. |
| 12:14.49 | pstickne | x_link, why say such things? |
| 12:14.51 | x_link | enouf: I just want to do this for myself, so that I can learn some more. |
| 12:15.02 | x_link | pstickne: Cause I know it's like that. |
| 12:15.11 | enouf | x_link: attaboy .. you go girl! .. :-) |
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| 12:15.29 | pstickne | jelly-home, I get nothing :( |
| 12:15.32 | x_link | pstickne: You guys are developers etc. You have been working with Debian for years. I have just used it for like 7 months maybe. |
| 12:15.35 | pstickne | jelly-home, no log, no mail, no... |
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| 12:15.43 | x_link | enouf: I'm NOT a girl ;D |
| 12:15.45 | roxy_ | I am using cups set up with kde gui and it works fine. xpdf try to print via lpr and it failed. How can I tell it to use cups ? |
| 12:15.58 | pstickne | x_link, so? what does that have to do about the future or your ability to learn and retain knowledge? |
| 12:16.15 | easytiger | anyone run folding@home on debian? |
| 12:16.16 | x_link | pstickne: Well nothing ;D |
| 12:16.25 | jelly-home | pstickne: note that you have to set the time at least 2 minutes in the future |
| 12:16.30 | HostilePenguin | when i want to open a file that belongs to root i cant do it by just clicking on the file i use terminal go to the file sudo it all in terminal how can i just click a file and open it? |
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| 12:16.53 | pstickne | jelly-home, yeah, I set it to 0515 at 0511 |
| 12:17.09 | pstickne | jelly-home, it was longer than that on my earlier attempts :-/ |
| 12:17.23 | oye | HostilePenguin: use konquerorsu (: |
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| 12:17.58 | pstickne | jelly-home, I can see that my crontab gets realoaded via the syslog |
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| 12:18.37 | pstickne | jelly-home, I even created cron.allow with my user in it, although all users should be allowed to use crontabs by default in deb. so says the manpage anyway |
| 12:18.47 | easytiger | does folding@home not run on dotgnu? |
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| 12:19.09 | jelly-home | pstickne: try enabling cron.log in /etc/syslog.conf and see if anything useful comes up there |
| 12:19.23 | dnc_ | roxy_: have you looked at cupsys-bsd, or a similar package |
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| 12:20.15 | roxy_ | dnc_: I tried with gtklp , but can't print it properly. I can see the file with xpdf but the printed result is bs. :( |
| 12:20.21 | pstickne | jelly-home, a -HUP to syslogd is enough? |
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| 12:21.21 | pstickne | oh, guess so ^^ |
| 12:21.21 | jelly-home | pstickne: think so. or "invoke-rc.d sysklogd reload" |
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| 12:21.21 | pstickne | okay, time to get some more juice and wait a few ^^ |
| 12:21.22 | roxy_ | dnc_: that's the file I am trying to print: http://www.ja-youth.jp/topics/81_01.pdf, konqueror can't see it, xpdf sees it but can't print it. |
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| 12:21.40 | jelly-home | pstickne: using * * * * * could help a bit :-) |
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| 12:22.40 | dnc_ | roxy_: can you print a different pdf document with xpdf? I mean, is this one that's troublesome? |
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| 12:23.36 | roxy_ | dnc_: I think the kanji are the problem. I can print kanji, I can print with xpdf, but the kanji in this particular file are somehow different. xpdf can read them. |
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| 12:27.03 | MadDwarf | hulloo |
| 12:27.05 | dnc_ | roxy_: i've trouble with it too, tried with both xpdf and evince, probably i miss some font set |
| 12:27.13 | miza-x | re! |
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| 12:28.00 | roxy_ | dnc_: thanks for trying. |
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| 12:32.31 | benluo | hi |
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| 12:32.41 | benluo | where i can ask dovedot? |
| 12:32.57 | VincentMX | is it possible to use my old pc as a router and webserver at the same time? |
| 12:33.05 | HostilePenguin | i hate my travel drive i want to smash it with a brick it has u3 on it |
| 12:33.07 | easytiger | how do install mono on debian? |
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| 12:33.11 | VincentMX | P1MMX 200MHz 64MB |
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| 12:33.19 | easytiger | backports? |
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| 12:33.59 | jetscreamer | backports are for sarge |
| 12:34.04 | jetscreamer | !mono |
| 12:34.05 | dpkg | from memory, mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 12:34.13 | VincentMX | or would it be better to use netbsd for that? |
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| 12:35.48 | waspius | anyone know a dvd ripper i can use? |
| 12:36.06 | easytiger | dvd::rip? |
| 12:36.10 | dnc_ | waspius: mplayer? |
| 12:36.21 | waspius | dnc_: does mplayer rip dvds? |
| 12:36.37 | Thms_ | I have a linksys WAG54G plugged with ethernet, how can I connect me to wifi with it because iwconfig don't recognize the routeur is wifi ? |
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| 12:36.58 | benluo | VincentMX: google router linux |
| 12:36.59 | drexxi | hi |
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| 12:37.05 | easytiger | can you see it in iwlist scanning |
| 12:37.06 | dnc_ | waspius: you can dump the mpeg, so i'll say yes |
| 12:37.08 | mystic_jade | Hello |
| 12:37.11 | benluo | VincentMX: you will find a lot |
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| 12:37.43 | waspius | dnc_: ok.. |
| 12:37.58 | VincentMX | ok |
| 12:38.10 | Thms_ | easytiger: no |
| 12:39.21 | easytiger | is your wireless nic working? |
| 12:40.07 | Thms_ | easytiger: yes |
| 12:40.23 | easytiger | wireless is a fecker |
| 12:40.57 | Thms_ | easytiger: fecker ? |
| 12:41.11 | easytiger | polite way in ireland of saying "fucker" |
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| 12:42.11 | Thms_ | easytiger: -_- |
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| 12:49.33 | pstickne | jelly-home, still doesn't do anything, no messages to syslog or anything |
| 12:49.55 | pstickne | jelly-home, current test command echo "foo" > /home/pstickne/test.foo :-/ |
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| 12:50.05 | jelly-home | pstickne: weird |
| 12:50.10 | pstickne | removed cron.allow and added cron.deny with nobody as the only entry :-/ |
| 12:50.15 | pstickne | jelly-home, SUCKS is more like ^^ |
| 12:50.33 | pstickne | runs /etc/crontab entries fine |
| 12:50.55 | jelly-home | pstickne: delete both cron.{allow,deny}, if _any_ of those are present, defaults don't work |
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| 12:51.27 | pstickne | jelly-home, but only nobody would be denied with only cron.deny is present ^^ |
| 12:51.31 | jelly-home | pstickne: had some problems with those a few years ago while converting a machine from Solaris to Linux |
| 12:51.33 | pstickne | (and no cron.allow) |
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| 12:52.17 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 12:52.21 | pstickne | moop! |
| 12:52.30 | jelly-home | pstickne: " but only nobody would be denied" -- that's what you _think_ :-) |
| 12:52.42 | pstickne | that's what the man page says ^^ |
| 12:52.56 | jelly-home | pstickne: bah, and you trust it? |
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| 12:53.21 | pstickne | "If the /etc/cron.allow file does not exist but the /etc/cron.deny file does exist, then you must not be listed in the /etc/cron.deny file in order to use this command." ... generally I trust man, yes |
| 12:53.35 | jelly-home | pstickne: it's a Linux machine, man pages have advisory value |
| 12:53.43 | jelly-home | :-D |
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| 12:54.39 | pstickne | doesn't make a difference anyway, doesn't run, no mail, nothing to cron.log |
| 12:54.44 | pstickne | it shows it being reloaded fine |
| 12:54.56 | jelly-home | pstickne: did the syslog create cron.log at all? |
| 12:54.56 | pstickne | * * * * * echo "foo" > /home/pstickne/test.foo # and current line |
| 12:54.58 | pstickne | yes |
| 12:55.07 | pstickne | it shows the updates and hourly running |
| 12:55.07 | jelly-home | oh well, at least that works |
| 12:55.10 | waspius | do u know if amsn supports offline messaging? |
| 12:55.35 | shingouz | waspius: it does not |
| 12:55.46 | pstickne | oh, well, I'm done with this dumb crap. it's going in /etc/crontab |
| 12:55.50 | lfs | How to download a binary in lynx? |
| 12:56.03 | jelly-home | pstickne: /etc/cron.d/local-junk ftw |
| 12:56.04 | lfs | lynx is changing the binaries |
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| 12:56.58 | jelly-home | lfs: press "d" on a link to download |
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| 12:57.14 | lfs | But the file downloaded is not right |
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| 12:57.32 | jelly-home | lfs: it uses /tmp to download, is it full? |
| 12:58.07 | jelly-home | lfs: if you think it's lynx' fault, you can use wget or curl |
| 12:58.10 | markybob | lfs wget? ncftp2? curl? make your pick |
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| 12:59.48 | lfs | But I need to browse the Debian site to get what I want. |
| 13:00.03 | lfs | Actually I just want the Debian installer. |
| 13:00.26 | x_link | www.debian.org |
| 13:00.32 | x_link | ;D |
| 13:00.45 | lfs | wget www.debian.org brings that down but I dont want that. |
| 13:00.48 | waspius | shingouz: does kopete support it?or do u know if it is supported under linux |
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| 13:01.05 | jetscreamer | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 13:01.17 | jetscreamer | change to ftp, use ftp |
| 13:01.29 | jetscreamer | ftp://cdimage.debian.org/...... |
| 13:01.51 | jetscreamer | ftp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 13:02.04 | hark | ftp must die ;) |
| 13:02.16 | asg | !ftp must die |
| 13:02.17 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 13:02.32 | jetscreamer | yes give us greycat and mwilson asg ! |
| 13:02.52 | asg | jetscreamer: greycat is in #bash, mwilson in #OpenBSD |
| 13:03.04 | jetscreamer | wooledge.org is greycat's site |
| 13:03.18 | jetscreamer | i see mwilson in #bash sometimes |
| 13:03.26 | jetscreamer | greycat all the time |
| 13:03.43 | jetscreamer | hey, he hasn't banned me yet ! :) |
| 13:04.08 | asg | didn't you get de-voiced a few weeks back though? |
| 13:04.49 | jetscreamer | heh.. no that was fieldy in ##linux :) |
| 13:04.55 | asg | ha, that's right |
| 13:05.02 | jetscreamer | why they gave that guy ops i dunno... |
| 13:05.19 | jetscreamer | he'll probably settle down after a while though |
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| 13:05.29 | jetscreamer | he might just be trying too hard |
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| 13:11.55 | Scurz | hi |
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| 13:12.24 | jetscreamer | ok every single person in this channel say 'hi' back to scurz |
| 13:12.30 | jetscreamer | all 732 of you |
| 13:12.45 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 13:12.54 | Scurz | ? |
| 13:13.05 | earthian | hi? |
| 13:13.08 | earthian | :o |
| 13:13.12 | morvok | hi scruz. |
| 13:13.14 | jetscreamer | i want everybody to say hi back to you Scurz .... everybody.... |
| 13:13.15 | Scurz | hi = hello .. |
| 13:13.25 | jetscreamer | muhahahha |
| 13:13.38 | jetscreamer | (it was a joke nm) |
| 13:13.45 | earthian | good one o/ |
| 13:13.46 | earthian | :) |
| 13:13.50 | Scurz | ... |
| 13:13.55 | earthian | and my "hi" was not a joke ;) |
| 13:14.00 | jetscreamer | !greet Scurz |
| 13:14.01 | dpkg | Howdy, Scurz |
| 13:14.05 | earthian | whats up Scurz ? :) |
| 13:14.40 | earthian | You are the popularity winner today! :D |
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| 13:15.08 | Scurz | héhé |
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| 13:16.41 | MadDwarf | hi all. Iam still looking for help with installing NeverWinterNights 3D RPG on my debina Etch box. Does anyone have any suggestions where I might find help? |
| 13:17.16 | jetscreamer | MadDwarf: does it have a native linux client or are you trying wine |
| 13:17.27 | MadDwarf | native client |
| 13:17.40 | jetscreamer | do you have 3d drivers for your vid card? |
| 13:17.53 | earthian | MadDwarf, do you have the native client? |
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| 13:18.02 | MadDwarf | yes, my nvidia 6600 is all installed OK (thanx to some help from here) |
| 13:18.11 | MadDwarf | earthian: yes, i have the native client |
| 13:18.12 | xand | !debina |
| 13:18.12 | dpkg | methinks debina is debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
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| 13:19.06 | jetscreamer | MadDwarf: so you installed it but it errors out or what.. btw try starting it from an xterm you 'may' get more detailed error msgs |
| 13:19.51 | MadDwarf | jetscreamer: i have installed it, with no errors, and it runs fine ... but i need to update it to the latest version. When i apply the update, i get segmentation faults every time i try to run. |
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| 13:20.24 | jjfh | hi |
| 13:20.32 | MadDwarf | i start it from a terminal, from inside the install directory, as required |
| 13:20.52 | jetscreamer | MadDwarf: when i get segfaults, it's usually because the script is trying to find some resource it thinks it should have, but doesn't, but that is the only error msg it knows how to give |
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| 13:21.09 | MadDwarf | most of the time i get seg fault: SDL Parachute Deployed errors, sometimes some mcop errors |
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| 13:24.04 | MadDwarf | i have tried to verify that all my files are present and correct, |
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| 13:24.45 | HandyAndE | since the change from GMT to BST my logrotate keeps marking logs as rolled in the future, then when it runs again it is forcing itself to roll these files again, as they have invalid dates - any ideas? |
| 13:24.49 | jetscreamer | MadDwarf: i know nothing :/ only sdl thing i know of applies to q4, and it's libsdl1.2debian-all vs libsdl1.2debian-alsa ... the alsa one works the -all one doesn't |
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| 13:25.55 | MadDwarf | i know nothing about SDL. |
| 13:26.14 | tecloMacOSX | Oh shit, nvidia-kernel-legacy won't compile on 2.6.20.3 ! |
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| 13:26.23 | deadeyez | hi |
| 13:26.24 | jetscreamer | !nv.run |
| 13:26.30 | tecloMacOSX | Oh shit, nvidia-kernel-legacy won't fucking compile on 2.6.20.3, how can I fix that ? |
| 13:26.36 | deadeyez | anyone who knows how I can set a proxy in the installer? |
| 13:26.53 | jetscreamer | !wtf |
| 13:26.55 | asg | deadeyez: use expert mode, it will ask you for one iirc |
| 13:26.59 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 13:26.59 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 13:27.01 | tecloMacOSX | and I looked at bug 409204 |
| 13:27.08 | jetscreamer | !literal nv.run |
| 13:27.18 | deadeyez | asg, is this the same for ubuntu? |
| 13:27.24 | tecloMacOSX | but whenever I change stuff in the source, module-assistant changes it back |
| 13:27.31 | deadeyez | I asked in ubuntu firsted but did not get a satisfying answer |
| 13:27.37 | jetscreamer | uhoh |
| 13:27.40 | tecloMacOSX | looks like even the bots in here are broken |
| 13:27.40 | asg | deadeyez: not sure, possibly. |
| 13:27.43 | seriouslycgi | how do i take away authentication for things like apt? its set to auto login as root for things like that on debian unstable |
| 13:27.46 | deadeyez | asg, ok thx |
| 13:27.55 | jetscreamer | no somebody fucked with the factoid |
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| 13:28.09 | jetscreamer | !factinfo nv.run |
| 13:28.09 | dpkg | jetscreamer: there's no such factoid as nv.run |
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| 13:31.32 | tecloMacOSX | Look closely at #ubuntu guys, I bet can be banned within seconds |
| 13:32.02 | tecloMacOSX | Oh fuck, I'm still banned from last week |
| 13:32.13 | tecloMacOSX | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.14 | tecloMacOSX | oops |
| 13:32.16 | tecloMacOSX | heh |
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| 13:32.49 | MadDwarf | anyone know of where i might get more help with neverwinter nights? |
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| 13:33.02 | deadeyez | asg, I started using server-expert at the boot prompt |
| 13:33.04 | wols | MadDwarf: is NWN the only game that won't run? |
| 13:33.04 | seriouslycgi | how do i take away authentication for things like apt? its set to auto login as root for things like that on debian unstable |
| 13:33.16 | deadeyez | asg, where can I find the settings for proxy in the menu? |
| 13:33.22 | MadDwarf | wols: yes, i can run other 3D games. and NWN runs until I add the updates |
| 13:33.32 | deadeyez | asg, I configured network but didnt ask for it |
| 13:33.37 | wols | MadDwarf: then ask bioware. only place which can help you. no other |
| 13:33.43 | MadDwarf | ok thnx wols |
| 13:33.52 | wols | seriouslycgi: huh? |
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| 13:34.20 | HostilePenguin | what is the purpose of a seperate partition for root? |
| 13:34.32 | wols | deadeyez: we can't support ubuntu. we don't know anything about it |
| 13:34.48 | wols | HostilePenguin: do you mean root/ ? |
| 13:34.55 | HostilePenguin | yeah |
| 13:35.08 | wols | beats me. no real reason imho |
| 13:35.16 | MadDwarf | thnx for help. bye |
| 13:35.20 | wols | boot/ var/, even /etc I can understand |
| 13:35.36 | seriouslycgi | wols when i log in as a user i go to do some admin tasks it doesnt ask for password anymore just gives a warning that its set to remember my password and thats just asking for trouble? |
| 13:35.38 | HandyAndE | wols: not true - keep his space safe, no chance of running out of disk in /root/ if it is on a different partition |
| 13:35.52 | wols | safe how? |
| 13:36.00 | wols | and why does root/ even need space? |
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| 13:36.02 | wols | what for? |
| 13:36.14 | HandyAndE | wols: for root logins and su - sessions? |
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| 13:36.30 | HandyAndE | if root is editing files in his space and there is no space left - boom |
| 13:36.30 | HandyAndE | nasty |
| 13:36.33 | wols | putting it on a different partition won't make it one iota safeer |
| 13:36.40 | HandyAndE | yes it will |
| 13:36.46 | ryanakca | on http://ftp.tiscali.de/pub/debian/debian-cd/current/ia64/iso-cd/ , which iso do I download for a fresh install? (there's about 10 of them) |
| 13:36.47 | HandyAndE | if it is only writable by root |
| 13:36.51 | HandyAndE | no other user can piss with it |
| 13:36.52 | wols | and root is not supposed to have shitloads of stuff in root/. It's not var/ |
| 13:37.12 | wols | that has nothing to do with it being a partition. that's simply permissions which you should set that way anyways |
| 13:37.15 | HandyAndE | who said shitloads? |
| 13:37.23 | HandyAndE | wols: think damn it |
| 13:37.28 | HandyAndE | wols: space is allocated per partition |
| 13:37.44 | HandyAndE | if /root is on same partition as / or /tmp then anyone could fill the disk |
| 13:37.50 | HandyAndE | stopping root's ability to write |
| 13:37.54 | HandyAndE | anyhow, I am off - later |
| 13:38.01 | markybob | not really. 5% is usually set aside for only root |
| 13:38.06 | HostilePenguin | all i make are swap boot and root is that fine or shoud i do it different? |
| 13:38.06 | wols | the reason you put var/ on its own parttion is so that some daemon like syslog, mail, mysql, httpd won't gorw overnight and fills your partition |
| 13:38.13 | wols | that's sensible. such things don't happen in root/ |
| 13:38.14 | earthian | HandyAndE, quotas? |
| 13:38.38 | xingu | wols: root has to have a home directory; sharing it with a mountpoint that is writeable to / readable by non root users is asking for a spanking |
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| 13:39.00 | wols | no. cause ext3 reserves some space for root. space a normal user can't write to when the disk is full |
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| 13:39.21 | tecloMacOSX | heh spanking |
| 13:39.26 | xingu | wols: also, failure of root's ${HOME} will make recovery more annoying than it needs to be |
| 13:39.34 | tecloMacOSX | is that allowed on #debian ? :P |
| 13:39.38 | tecloMacOSX | spanking |
| 13:39.44 | xand | yes, are you ready? |
| 13:39.55 | wols | xingu: I dunno how it's set up for you but my root/ has 700 |
| 13:40.16 | xingu | wols: and the mount itself? |
| 13:40.17 | xand | xingu: why does it need to? root doesn't have a home directory on e.g. solaris :) |
| 13:40.28 | xingu | xand: yes it does, it defaults to / |
| 13:40.35 | wols | xingu: what mount? root/ is part of / |
| 13:40.40 | xand | that's not its own directory though |
| 13:40.43 | xingu | it might be for you |
| 13:40.45 | earthian | hey |
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| 13:41.42 | earthian | if I have a subsubdirectory i.e. /path/to/dir/ of chmod 777 and /path/to/ 700 is it possible for "eveyone" to read/write to /path/to/dir/ ? |
| 13:42.16 | earthian | as i do understand that read/write is denied to /path/to/ ... |
| 13:42.20 | xand | depends on /path's permissions |
| 13:42.39 | HostilePenguin | that got way deeper into partitions than i ever knew even existed |
| 13:43.03 | wols | HostilePenguin: desktop or serever? |
| 13:43.05 | wols | *server |
| 13:43.17 | asg | earthian: no. You can test it yourself quite easily though |
| 13:43.17 | xingu | earthian: not unless you're the owner; you must have execute permission for all leaves to descend the path |
| 13:43.18 | HostilePenguin | desktop and a server |
| 13:43.19 | HostilePenguin | hah |
| 13:43.21 | Xires | is there a list of packages that comprise the base installation? |
| 13:43.29 | earthian | thanks xingu |
| 13:43.44 | ryanakca | The requested URL /debian-cd/3.1_r5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-31r5-amd64-netinst.iso was not found on this server. (Apache/2.2.4 (Unix) Server at cdimage.debian.org Port 80) |
| 13:43.45 | wols | HostilePenguin: if you want you can make boot, /home and /var separate partitions |
| 13:44.11 | wols | !amd64 |
| 13:44.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 13:45.48 | tecloMacOSX | okay, so how can I fix that issue with nvidia-kernel-source on 2.6.20.3 ? I've read byg report 409204 but module-assistant overwrites my changes ... |
| 13:46.09 | roxy_ | wols: what would be a good reason to use debian/amd64 instead of i386 ? |
| 13:47.37 | Xires | is there a list of packages that comprise the base installation? |
| 13:47.56 | tecloMacOSX | yes |
| 13:48.23 | Xires | will you point me to it? |
| 13:49.09 | Dunedan | roxy_: better floating point performance ... if you need that. e.g. with povray and such apps. |
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| 13:53.00 | roxy_ | Dunedan: thanks. |
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| 13:54.15 | tecloMacOSX | okay I'vre replaced config.h by autoconf.h but I still got the follwing error at compile time: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 13:54.25 | HostilePenguin | anyone know how to get rid of u3 i tried fdisk i tried gparted that stuff is somthing else |
| 13:54.37 | rjalex | need to compile 2.6.20 for an Asus P5B deluxe + E6600 ... anyone with a good .config from which to start ? thank you |
| 13:54.39 | jetscreamer | debian.org <--pointing |
| 13:54.51 | asg | Xires: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/* if you have debootstrap installed will give you a pretty good idea |
| 13:54.53 | wols | roxy_: >4GB memory inside the machine |
| 13:55.02 | jetscreamer | rjalex: just do make oldconfig |
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| 13:55.20 | wols | roxy_: and in some cases, e.g. video endocing better performance than i386 |
| 13:55.24 | rjalex | sorry jetscreamer ? |
| 13:55.37 | jetscreamer | instead of make menuconfig ? |
| 13:55.41 | wols | !tell rjalex about kmuto |
| 13:55.57 | wols | no need to compile anything |
| 13:56.10 | jetscreamer | oh to install debian |
| 13:56.15 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 13:56.26 | rjalex | thanks wols ... but how can I be sure the kernels you point me to support all of my devices ? |
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| 13:57.19 | shinichizio | Hi. Would this be the right channel to ask about Gnome-PPP, or should I bugger off to somewhere else? |
| 13:57.27 | wols | rjalex: how can I be sure you have a clue about kernel compiling? Your question leads me to the assumption you will be here again shortly with a kernel panic |
| 13:57.40 | rjalex | no wols you are wrong |
| 13:57.52 | rjalex | I have compiled isnatlle many kernels and distros from 1993 |
| 13:58.03 | wols | shinichizio: you could try #gnome. but if you have the problem on debian sarge, etch or si, it's always the right channel |
| 13:58.17 | wols | rjalex: then you shouldn't have to ask |
| 13:58.21 | rjalex | just want to avoid losing a lot of time with the config of the 2.6.20 ... that's it |
| 13:58.22 | bzed | rjalex: why don't you know make oldconfig then? |
| 13:58.27 | shinichizio | wols: I see. Thank you. |
| 13:58.33 | wols | bzed: hey, it's sunday... |
| 13:58.51 | bzed | rjalex: not to forget that you WANT to configure 2.6.20 as there're several changes in the handling of pata devices |
| 13:58.54 | bzed | wols: yeah :( |
| 13:58.57 | bzed | !sunday |
| 13:58.57 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 13:59.00 | rjalex | oldconfig will take the current config which is not what i wanted sorry maybe my enlglish is not very good |
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| 13:59.22 | rjalex | yes bzed that I know |
| 13:59.25 | HostilePenguin | make old config uses working kernel config when you compile right? |
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| 13:59.41 | wols | HostilePenguin: not exactly |
| 13:59.57 | ugly | I set Xorg up with a us_intl keyboard - is there a keyboard shortcut for upside-down exclamation/question marks using this layout? |
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| 14:00.20 | ugly | e.g. windows-key + <something> |
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| 14:00.33 | rjalex | wols just to start I took the config from the current newly installed debian netinst system but of course that builds tons of modules I really do not need |
| 14:00.35 | HostilePenguin | well this is my 3rd month of linux |
| 14:00.40 | dnc_ | ugly: using compose/multi key? |
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| 14:01.08 | jetscreamer | i think he means 'any key combo i don't care whatever works' but i'm guessing |
| 14:01.13 | wols | rjalex: and that is bad how? |
| 14:01.14 | ugly | dnc_: if, by that, you mean that I use the Windows key as my alt-gr key, then yes |
| 14:01.15 | ____defi | Guys I'm having a problem with mondo/mindi. When I run mindi it keeps complaining about not being able to unmount a mountpoint. Any suggestions? |
| 14:01.20 | wols | are you low on diskspace? |
| 14:01.25 | rjalex | yes wols |
| 14:01.38 | rjalex | Iam building this on a very very crowded machine 8-) |
| 14:01.52 | wols | then your buying preferences are shit |
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| 14:02.07 | HostilePenguin | sundays rock |
| 14:02.09 | wols | next time buy a CPU one step lower |
| 14:02.12 | jetscreamer | are you insulting poor ppl? |
| 14:02.26 | wols | jetscreamer: people who buy c2d 6600 are NOT poor jetscreamer |
| 14:02.29 | rjalex | wols if you are ignorant no need to insult people |
| 14:02.33 | jetscreamer | oh ok nm :) |
| 14:02.50 | rjalex | if you have something useful say it else you would get a better image just shutting up |
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| 14:03.10 | jetscreamer | well i dunno... i want to buy something, i'm not rich, but i'd go for a core2duo imo |
| 14:03.29 | markybob | i'm failing to understand how using debian's default config is any worse than using a stranger's config file who obviously doesnt share hardware with you |
| 14:03.31 | jetscreamer | buy the mb one week, et al... |
| 14:03.31 | zamuro | Which package do I need to run xmms under alsa on etch? |
| 14:03.50 | jetscreamer | xmms should 'just work' if your audio is set up properly |
| 14:03.53 | wols | jetscreamer: sure but do you have to buy the top of the line C2D (or nearly so) but won't buy a disk that can hold ~10MB more modules? |
| 14:04.00 | wols | zamuro: xmms only |
| 14:04.07 | zamuro | Since I had to apt-get xserver-xorg and all gui stuff _after_ netinstall. |
| 14:04.30 | jetscreamer | heh.... no i have the hd space already... cept no sata... i have an addin pci ide controller though :) |
| 14:05.01 | zamuro | wols: Hmmm... it runs, but gives no sound. Could it be an alsa issue instead of xmms'? |
| 14:05.12 | jetscreamer | i could not feed the kids though and get a nice box! |
| 14:05.25 | wols | zamuro: most likely. IIRC xmms defaults to alsa output on etch. look in its options and you'll see |
| 14:05.37 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 14:05.38 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-bork was modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 14:05.47 | jetscreamer | maybe that might help, maybe not |
| 14:05.49 | rjalex | anyone with a .config for an anaus P5B deluxe ? |
| 14:05.52 | zamuro | wols: Hmmm... Default is OSS |
| 14:06.05 | wols | zamuro: is this sarge? |
| 14:06.25 | zamuro | wols: Nope... Etch. |
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| 14:06.28 | jetscreamer | rjalex: you don't need a .config you need to know what drivers you need to have compiled in... aka know what chipset and stuff are on the mb |
| 14:06.37 | wols | then you can at least switch to alsa output |
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| 14:07.05 | shinichizio | .part |
| 14:07.09 | jetscreamer | / |
| 14:07.10 | shinichizio | ....... |
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| 14:07.14 | rjalex | yes jetscreamer thank you, i know, i was just asking if anyone went through it already so to spare some time but I guess I must go through the whole thing by myslef ... 8-( |
| 14:07.46 | zamuro | wols: When I do, it pops a window: Make sure some other process is not blocking your sound |
| 14:07.57 | jetscreamer | it's only slow the first few hundred times, after a while you get to know where they all are... |
| 14:07.58 | hark | asking such a question is absurd |
| 14:08.00 | wols | zamuro: do you have artsd or esd running? |
| 14:08.10 | wols | aka the "demons from hell"? |
| 14:08.10 | zamuro | wols: Maybe so... lemme check. |
| 14:08.14 | rjalex | lol jetscreamer |
| 14:08.26 | wols | hark: what question? |
| 14:08.43 | rjalex | ok guys thanks to all of you minus one 8-) |
| 14:08.46 | rjalex | take care |
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| 14:08.48 | jetscreamer | better not to ask |
| 14:08.56 | jetscreamer | not to ask which |
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| 14:09.20 | jetscreamer | ok now you can ask :) |
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| 14:13.09 | cr3 | is there a way to mount -o move a device which is not a block device, like an nfs mount point? |
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| 14:16.04 | Virtual | Hello, I just managed to install the drivers for my wlan card in my laptop with ndiswrapper, now the card is active, I have entered the access point and it does see it, it sees it signal everything but I can't connect to it, any ideas why ? |
| 14:16.31 | wols | Virtual: does your accesspoint use WPA or WEP? |
| 14:16.39 | Virtual | no |
| 14:16.47 | wols | MAC filtering? |
| 14:16.57 | Virtual | wols no, at this moment it basically allows all |
| 14:17.19 | wols | paste log output then |
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| 14:17.33 | Virtual | wols: of dmesg ? |
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| 14:17.59 | wols | and/or syslog |
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| 14:19.51 | metee | hello |
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| 14:20.48 | metee | i'm newbie on linux, and i want to learn, which distrup(based on debian) suggest? |
| 14:21.01 | earthian | debian? |
| 14:21.29 | Virtual | wols: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5811 |
| 14:22.35 | rjalex | metee depends on how newbie you are ... if totally you could try a liveCD distro such as Knoppix and then move from there |
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| 14:22.59 | rjalex | metee if you are somewhat knowledgeable about linux and want to install to your hard disk rightaway debian netinst is probably your best friend |
| 14:23.21 | metee | I know how to install and also i used ubunutu but i don liked it |
| 14:23.35 | rjalex | no surprise metee 8-) |
| 14:23.45 | rambo3 | :P |
| 14:23.48 | rjalex | what is it you disliked about ubuntu ? |
| 14:23.55 | rambo3 | what you want a cookie? |
| 14:24.12 | rjalex | lol |
| 14:24.22 | zinx | i want a cookie :( |
| 14:24.30 | asg | !give zinx a cookie |
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| 14:24.45 | rjalex | you're getting fat, shutdown and go jogging ! 8-) |
| 14:25.28 | metee | it alway run same speed my cpu fan also it dont support my bluetooth |
| 14:25.29 | wols | Virtual: you have wpa_supplicant running so it seems to me it NEEDS WPA on the AP or it won't associate |
| 14:25.32 | zinx | wols: that.. is not true. depending on how wpa_supplicant is configured, though. |
| 14:26.00 | wols | zinx: Mar 25 16:13:55 Virtual NetworkManager: <information>^Iwpa_supplicant(3309): wpa_driver_wext_set_drop_unencrypted |
| 14:26.30 | rjalex | well metee mepis and knoppix are a fun way to start but if you want to build a system which will be more tailored to what you need debian netinst with a minimal initial package selection and then move from there |
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| 14:26.53 | rjalex | kanotix is another fun debian based distro |
| 14:27.11 | Virtual | wols: Mar 25 16:13:19 Virtual NetworkManager: <information>^IActivation (wlan0/wireless): access point 'aneroma' is unencrypted, no key needed. |
| 14:27.14 | rjalex | and of course you have gentoo based stuff such as sabayon, pentoo etc. |
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| 14:27.43 | rjalex | ok good luck |
| 14:27.47 | rjalex | gtg bbl |
| 14:27.57 | wols | Virtual: sure but wpa_supplicant seems to want one. why are you running it when your AP is totally unencrypted? |
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| 14:29.04 | Virtual | wols: I have just loaded the drivers and asked knetworkmanager to try to connect, i know that my ap is unencrypted and the rest to be honest I am noob when it comes to wlan under linux |
| 14:29.47 | metee | if I install from net, I will take too long, true? |
| 14:30.06 | Virtual | metee: depends on your connection |
| 14:30.16 | rgsteele__ | I'd rather have a beer |
| 14:30.17 | rambo3 | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ ? |
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| 14:30.37 | rgsteele | !beer rgsteele |
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| 14:31.12 | metee | average 100kb download speed ? |
| 14:31.25 | plasmid | I need some serious help. I accidentally deleted my documents from a folder typing : rm -rf f ... HOW can I retrieve them back?! any tools available out there? |
| 14:31.28 | rgsteele | rambo3: Hahaha :) |
| 14:31.40 | rgsteele | rambo3: Good Sunday morning chuckle. Thanks! ;_ |
| 14:31.42 | rgsteele | ;) even |
| 14:31.51 | asg | plasmid: debugfs if you know what you are doing. Otherwise, restore from backups. |
| 14:32.06 | plasmid | asg, that was the backup drive. |
| 14:32.28 | plasmid | what is debugfs? |
| 14:32.31 | markybob | then create a backup from the original again ? |
| 14:32.53 | asg | plasmid: but you still have the originals then if it's the backup drive. |
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| 14:33.53 | asg | plasmid: apt-cache search undelete (some of those tools may help) |
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| 14:36.21 | SerajewelKS | when i play an mp3 stream with `wget http://streamlocation -O - 2>/dev/null | mpg123 -` the stream skips. it does not with XMMS. what could be the reason for this? |
| 14:36.35 | SerajewelKS | my guess is that wget isn't flushing stdout. but i see no option in the manpage to get this to happen. |
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| 14:38.20 | wols | SerajewelKS: xmms buffers |
| 14:38.26 | bzed | SerajewelKS: wget doesn't buffer anything |
| 14:38.44 | bzed | use mplayer or something like that |
| 14:39.11 | SerajewelKS | wols: i would assume that mpg123 will buffer what it gets |
| 14:39.11 | SerajewelKS | wols: if wget delivers it fast enough |
| 14:39.17 | wols | pascutti: if you use ext3 on the disk: no |
| 14:39.38 | SerajewelKS | like if i did `cat file.mp3 | mpg123 -` i wouldn't expect mpg123 to skip to the end of the file |
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| 14:41.05 | SerajewelKS | or am i oversimplifying this |
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| 14:41.50 | wols | I don't think mpg123 buffers |
| 14:41.56 | wols | and neither does wget of course |
| 14:42.02 | wols | hence, it will stutter onc ein a while |
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| 14:42.49 | Virtual | wols: so you have no idea what might be wrong ? |
| 14:43.02 | SerajewelKS | then i'm confused by what you mean by "buffer" |
| 14:43.12 | asg | SerajewelKS: you might try inserting bfr in the pipeline |
| 14:43.39 | wols | Virtual: my idea is you using WPA or rather misconfiguring it as zinx said |
| 14:44.10 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 14:44.11 | Virtual | wols: the AP is 100% not using WEP or WPA |
| 14:44.18 | wols | Virtual: will this netwrok manager thing edit your interfaces and things like that? |
| 14:44.27 | wols | Virtual: yes, but your client is |
| 14:44.38 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: apt-cache show buffer; wget | buffer | mpg123 - ... or maybe use mplayer -cache <URL> |
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| 14:45.00 | SerajewelKS | i would assume that mpg123 would only read from stdin as fast as it's playing the data, so the pipe buffer would fill up, so writes to stdout from wget would block, which would effectively buffer |
| 14:45.05 | Virtual | wols: I am not sure, I have not used knetworkmanager before not even for ethernet, usually I configure my own connections but as I said i'm noob with wlan under linux |
| 14:45.07 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: sorry, mplayer -cache <kilobytes> <URL> |
| 14:45.07 | SerajewelKS | or i'm thinking about this all wrong |
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| 14:45.28 | asg | SerajewelKS: apt-cache show bfr (see if that will fit your bill) |
| 14:45.37 | wols | Virtual: then start learning to configure them via editing /etc/network/interfaces again (imho) |
| 14:45.37 | SerajewelKS | asg: i'm trying it |
| 14:45.50 | SerajewelKS | asg: doesn't seem to work |
| 14:45.55 | asg | bah, suck! |
| 14:46.09 | SerajewelKS | at least when i don't give it any args |
| 14:46.10 | earthian | is it possible to share some phys ram with my video card that is old? |
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| 14:46.14 | asg | SerajewelKS: you might need to fiddle with the options perhaps. |
| 14:46.23 | wols | earthian: not really |
| 14:46.28 | wols | earthian: what for? |
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| 14:46.48 | Virtual | wols: I know how to do that except for wlan which I thought would be more difficult, do you think that actually knetworkmanager might be the problem ? |
| 14:46.48 | earthian | gfx got 8 megs.. |
| 14:46.51 | wols | agp can share /that's what the agp aperture is for) but it's usually slow and rarely if ever used by programs |
| 14:46.52 | SerajewelKS | asg: so where is the skipping happening, in mpg123? or is wget removing pieces of the stream? |
| 14:47.21 | wols | karrotx: imho yes. if you don't need any encryption, then the normal method is very simple imho |
| 14:47.33 | karrotx | god damnit |
| 14:47.35 | asg | SerajewelKS: well, you could try using wget no the file once it's downloaded to see if it's part of wget's internals or just network issues. |
| 14:47.37 | karrotx | LEARN HOW TO TAB COMPLETE |
| 14:47.53 | SerajewelKS | asg: i guess.. it's a neverending stream, so ^C |
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| 14:48.14 | asg | SerajewelKS: also, try 'echo GET /path/to/file HTTP/1.0\n\n' | nc <hostname> <port> | bfr <options> | mpg123 ... |
| 14:48.15 | karrotx | wols: who the hell were you even talking to? |
| 14:48.24 | karrotx | i dont see anyone with a "ka" talking right now |
| 14:48.37 | Nigromante | hi |
| 14:48.44 | ^_^ | hello |
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| 14:49.03 | SerajewelKS | asg: wget... wait... ^C... mpg123... no skips |
| 14:49.27 | ryanakca | what's a recommended partioning scheme for a server (kolab)? I have 106 mb for grub, 1GB for swap, and then 10.6GB free... 60% for /var and the rest for / ? |
| 14:49.28 | jetscreamer | !seen ka |
| 14:49.29 | dpkg | ka <n=ka@pc-27-123-214-201.cm.vtr.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 521d 11h 49m 4s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 14:49.37 | Virtual | wols: ok I will read up on configuring from /etc/network/interfaces also the wlan but I need one more thing, when I reboot I have to modprobe again ndiswrapper, is there anyway to avoid that ? |
| 14:49.45 | jetscreamer | now there's a hardcore irc'er |
| 14:49.55 | asg | ryanakca: it depends on what the server is going to do. |
| 14:50.16 | wols | put ndiswrapper into /etc/modules |
| 14:50.29 | asg | jetscreamer: probably changed his nick the next day to FieldysNuts |
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| 14:50.40 | SerajewelKS | asg: trying various incantations of bfr |
| 14:50.47 | ^_^ | I have a problem with proftpd server, it shows strange characters on international characters (like à á è é ...) |
| 14:50.50 | bzed | jetscreamer: dude :P |
| 14:50.53 | ryanakca | asg: it's a kolab server that'll be connected to by say, 40 devs. It'll have a web interface and can be accessed with contact... (kolab = groupware type thing, pop + imap, etc) |
| 14:50.59 | bzed | jetscreamer: no need for m-a anymore for you ;) |
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| 14:51.23 | Nigromante | check your locale |
| 14:51.25 | wols | 6GB for 40 people for mail? that's low |
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| 14:51.38 | jetscreamer | bzed: no i have the factoid saved to hd... just copy/paste |
| 14:51.42 | rjalex | ok here I am with my brand new 2.6.20.4 kernel |
| 14:51.42 | ^_^ | who, me? |
| 14:51.46 | Nigromante | yes |
| 14:51.52 | ^_^ | how to check that? |
| 14:51.55 | jetscreamer | !congratulate rjalex |
| 14:51.55 | dpkg | Nice one rjalex, you did it! |
| 14:51.56 | bzed | !tell jetscreamer about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:52.07 | Nigromante | there's a file in /etc I think |
| 14:52.07 | ^_^ | the locales on proftpd or on my system? |
| 14:52.08 | rjalex | lol thanks jetscreamer |
| 14:52.15 | Nigromante | your system |
| 14:52.19 | ryanakca | wols: it's not the main email account... they have email aliases/cloaks, foobar@host.com points to foobar@mainemail.com... these emails are just for devel, not personal... |
| 14:52.22 | ^_^ | ok... |
| 14:52.24 | SerajewelKS | asg: i don't get it... i'm doing `wget ... | bfr -b500k -p -i 100% | mpg123 -` |
| 14:52.37 | Nigromante | use an UTF based if you can |
| 14:52.44 | rjalex | anyone know if I can use /etc/network/interfaces to force a jumbo frame MTU of 9000 bytes on one of my interfaces ? |
| 14:52.46 | SerajewelKS | asg: surely 500k is enough... it still skips. ahead, mind you. not gaps, it's like it's skipping frames. |
| 14:52.48 | ryanakca | wols: oh, I see. 40 people at 200mb quota... = 8GB :S |
| 14:52.51 | jetscreamer | bzed: i tried the debian way first... never worked for me. i had to work and work to learn how to get 3d for nvidia.... now what i know, works. all i know. |
| 14:52.52 | bzed | ryanakca: I have (as single user) about 100M of personal mails in my inbox, and about 1.5GB of devel stuff) |
| 14:53.01 | wols | ryanakca: 3GB for system is plent. you could probably get away with 1-2GB |
| 14:53.04 | jelly-home | is there a OSS mail storage system that stores single copies of mails that multiple local users have received? |
| 14:53.09 | wols | not as if you need any X on that server |
| 14:53.20 | ryanakca | wols: nope |
| 14:53.31 | bzed | jetscreamer: now you can just install a packe with apt-get. please stop telling people about using that nvidia thing, it'll break the system on the long run |
| 14:53.40 | Nigromante | sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:53.48 | ^_^ | ok, thnx, let me check |
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| 14:53.49 | bzed | ryanakca: use lvm so you can enlage the parts as needed |
| 14:53.51 | wols | ryanakca: remember, every single commit will generate a mail to all, etc |
| 14:53.58 | jetscreamer | of course all that was 2 years ago i guess |
| 14:54.03 | ryanakca | wols: kk |
| 14:54.15 | asg | SerajewelKS: hmmm, odd. Try a larger value of -b perhaps. |
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| 14:54.26 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: is there's a possibility that mpg123 is crap? |
| 14:54.27 | ^_^ | the locales are OK, i'm using: ca_ES@euro ISO-8859-15 |
| 14:54.28 | SerajewelKS | asg: i have tried the default (5m) |
| 14:54.32 | asg | eek |
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| 14:54.43 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: maybe, but if i let wget save to a file, it plays fine |
| 14:55.00 | wols | SerajewelKS: can't you use a console mp3 player like mplayer? |
| 14:55.02 | jelly-home | asg: er... mplayer works very well with just 64 or 128MB of cache |
| 14:55.13 | Nigromante | is there any with UTF ? |
| 14:55.15 | wols | SerajewelKS: or is it a principle thing now? |
| 14:55.16 | asg | jelly-home: I know |
| 14:55.17 | jelly-home | asg: KD* |
| 14:55.22 | Nigromante | UTF-8 |
| 14:55.42 | bzed | jelly-home: but mplayer knows about how to handle mpeg streams |
| 14:56.03 | jelly-home | bzed: eh, something called mpg* ought to, too :-) |
| 14:56.06 | ^_^ | yes, a few of them: ca_ES.UTF-8@euro UTF-8 and ca_ES.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 14:56.13 | SerajewelKS | wols: it's the whole curiosity thing now |
| 14:56.17 | jindal | hey guys is their some utility like wc to count characters in a file? |
| 14:56.22 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: how does mpg321 fare? :-) |
| 14:56.25 | SerajewelKS | this should work dammit |
| 14:56.32 | asg | jindal: wc can count characters |
| 14:56.40 | Nigromante | ok |
| 14:56.41 | jindal | ohh |
| 14:56.46 | rjalex | can I throw in a poll on the window managers you prefer ? I am trying enlightenment now but find it a little intrusive |
| 14:56.51 | ^_^ | should I mark them? |
| 14:56.55 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: probably just as well, since mpg123 is a symlink there |
| 14:56.58 | wols | !poll |
| 14:56.59 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 14:57.07 | Nigromante | yes, generate them and select one of them as default |
| 14:57.10 | jindal | thanks, asg :) |
| 14:57.10 | asg | rjalex: fwiw, fluxbox for the lightweight non-intrusive wms. |
| 14:57.16 | asg | jindal: you're welcome |
| 14:57.18 | bzed | jelly-home: yeah, but I doubt a mpeg stream is something you can handle like one large file |
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| 14:57.30 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: ah, so you don't have the real mpg123, but a lousy DFSG compliant replacement! :-) |
| 14:57.38 | rjalex | thanks asg |
| 14:57.43 | rjalex | will try |
| 14:57.47 | bzed | !hit jelly-home |
| 14:57.49 | ^_^ | Generating locales... |
| 14:57.50 | ^_^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.50 | ^_^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.50 | ^_^ | Generation complete. |
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| 14:57.51 | rjalex | used xfce in the past |
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| 14:58.02 | ^_^ | oops, sorry |
| 14:58.14 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: indeed |
| 14:58.17 | ^_^ | Nigromante, generated and ca_ES.UTF-8@euro by default |
| 14:58.24 | jelly-home | !nickometer ^_^ |
| 14:58.26 | dpkg | '^_^' is 97.050% lame, jelly-home |
| 14:58.35 | Nigromante | ok, I should install also some packages: |
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| 14:58.58 | Nigromante | console-setup console-tools |
| 14:59.00 | rjalex | militant badger .. LOL |
| 14:59.04 | SerajewelKS | i'm just wondering why it's skipping FORWARD |
| 14:59.16 | SerajewelKS | i can understand gaps, but wtf is it skipping frames |
| 14:59.37 | Nigromante | !nickometer Nigromante |
| 14:59.39 | dpkg | 'Nigromante' is 0.000% lame, nigromante |
| 14:59.55 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: it can't bloody well skip backwards can it, which might be the whole problem ("can't rewind stream by XXX bits") |
| 14:59.56 | SerajewelKS | maybe it's time to put `tee` in the pipeline and see what happens |
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| 15:00.00 | bzed | SerajewelKS: probably because some frames were missing in the stream? |
| 15:00.03 | ^_^ | Nigromante, i cannot find console-setup. console-tools is already installed |
| 15:00.14 | speedy | where do i submit bugs in debian etch ? |
| 15:00.19 | wols | !bts |
| 15:00.20 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:00.21 | bzed | !tell speedy about reportbug |
| 15:00.25 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: uhm, contrast what i said (gaps) with what you said (skipping backwards{ |
| 15:00.27 | Nigromante | are you using debian stable or testing |
| 15:00.28 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: not the same thing |
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| 15:00.52 | asg | SerajewelKS: does mpg123 print anything to stderr? |
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| 15:01.00 | rjalex | to test fluxbox should I remove enlightenment first ? |
| 15:01.01 | SerajewelKS | asg: not after it starts playing |
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| 15:01.10 | asg | rjalex: no, they can coexist. |
| 15:01.20 | Malagmyr | How can I know which speakers sound is _supposed_ to come out of when a movie has more than 2 channels? |
| 15:01.20 | bzed | rjalex: you can install as many windowmanagers as your harddisk will take |
| 15:01.21 | ^_^ | Nigromante, the stable version |
| 15:01.27 | Nigromante | ah ok |
| 15:01.37 | rjalex | thanks and will xdm let me select amongst them ? |
| 15:01.52 | SerajewelKS | asg: if i alter the pipeline so it's wget|tee|bfr|mpg123 and then play the file saved by tee, i get no skips |
| 15:02.19 | SerajewelKS | asg: so i think what i'm learning is that the buffering is irrelevant, mpg321 just sucks ass |
| 15:02.25 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: is the url freely accessible? Can you paste it? |
| 15:02.27 | Nigromante | can you get the euro € symbol in console ? |
| 15:02.39 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: http://fusionchicago.com:8004 |
| 15:02.41 | petemc | SerajewelKS: ftp isnt a good protocol for streaming |
| 15:02.46 | asg | SerajewelKS: sounds like a decent assessment |
| 15:02.48 | ^_^ | yes, at least from ssh and putty |
| 15:02.55 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 15:03.01 | SerajewelKS | petemc: nice try, but no :) |
| 15:03.02 | markybob | ftp isnt a good protocol for anything |
| 15:03.05 | petemc | SerajewelKS: of course, thats irrelevant if you're using http |
| 15:03.13 | petemc | SerajewelKS: no? |
| 15:03.17 | Nigromante | and in ftp server? |
| 15:03.29 | SerajewelKS | petemc: no meaning, i'm not using ftp, which you figured out probably after i pasted the url |
| 15:03.31 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: hmm, works-for-me |
| 15:03.52 | ^_^ | Nigromante, do you mean in a file name that includes the euro symbol? |
| 15:04.15 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: you mean if you do this: wget http://fusionchicago.com:8004 -O - 2>/dev/null | mpg123 - #you don't skip? |
| 15:04.23 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: exactly |
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| 15:04.31 | SerajewelKS | that's some bullshit |
| 15:04.32 | Nigromante | where did you experience problems, in ftp console or in downloaded files? |
| 15:04.47 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: didn't redirect wget's stderr, but I don't think that really matters |
| 15:04.49 | ^_^ | in showing the files on a ftp client |
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| 15:04.57 | ^_^ | in firefox, for example |
| 15:05.10 | Nigromante | file names, or file contents? |
| 15:05.16 | ^_^ | file names |
| 15:05.19 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: for me it takes a bit before the skips happen |
| 15:05.19 | Nigromante | ok |
| 15:05.28 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: unless i'm using bfr, then they happen right away |
| 15:05.41 | Nigromante | are you connecting to your own machine, for testing? |
| 15:05.41 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i've heard two in about 30 seconds |
| 15:05.44 | ^_^ | for example, instead of "motivació", it shows "motivació" |
| 15:05.51 | Nigromante | ok |
| 15:05.52 | ^_^ | yes |
| 15:05.56 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: now they are getting more frequent |
| 15:06.10 | Nigromante | try something in firefox... |
| 15:06.19 | bzed | SerajewelKS: use mplayer |
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| 15:06.26 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: nope, been playing clearly here. |
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| 15:06.34 | bzed | SerajewelKS: at least to make sure that it's not your streams problem |
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| 15:06.43 | SerajewelKS | bzed: it's not about making it work that way, it's about wtf doesn't it work *this* way |
| 15:06.47 | Nigromante | connect to the server, and in firefox menu... "ver" |
| 15:06.48 | SerajewelKS | bzed: as i said, it plays fine in xmms |
| 15:07.00 | Nigromante | (you are in Spain) |
| 15:07.10 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: ii mpg321 0.2.10.3 |
| 15:07.16 | Nigromante | Codificación de caracteres... |
| 15:07.30 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: same |
| 15:07.32 | Nigromante | Select "unicode" |
| 15:07.35 | bzed | SerajewelKS: plays fine with wget | mpg123 for me, too. |
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| 15:07.42 | SerajewelKS | the hell |
| 15:07.51 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: I blame the kernel! :-) |
| 15:08.04 | bzed | SerajewelKS: I guess that you have just some connections problems and a serious player is able to fetch missing frames or *whatever* again |
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| 15:08.34 | SerajewelKS | bzed: no, http has no mechanism for fetching "missing frames" |
| 15:08.34 | ^_^ | ahm, yes |
| 15:08.35 | SerajewelKS | bzed: and if i do mpg123|tee|mpg123 the playback skips |
| 15:08.38 | jelly-home | bzed: a buffer of 500KB would have to compensate for that |
| 15:08.40 | ^_^ | :) |
| 15:08.40 | bzed | SerajewelKS: you can just open a new http connection and request ist |
| 15:08.48 | Nigromante | funciono? |
| 15:08.55 | SerajewelKS | bzed: when i go back and play the file dumped by tee, it *doesn't* skip |
| 15:09.03 | SerajewelKS | bzed: not for a live stream. for a single file maybe. |
| 15:09.05 | jetscreamer | bzed: yes i noticed my factoid got deleted btw... |
| 15:09.07 | ^_^ | si, funciona |
| 15:09.10 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 15:09.25 | ^_^ | but every time I enter somewhere else (in another directory, for example) |
| 15:09.31 | SerajewelKS | bzed: but if the file written by "tee" doesn't skip, then there are no missing frames. mpg123 just isn't playing them for some reason. |
| 15:09.37 | Nigromante | Sometimes it doed not detect the page charcode correctly |
| 15:09.41 | Nigromante | does |
| 15:09.46 | ^_^ | it changes back to iso8859 |
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| 15:10.15 | Nigromante | Yes, you may have to change it manually |
| 15:10.28 | ^_^ | and there isn't a way to change it from the server side? |
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| 15:10.38 | earthian | i have seen the nick ^_^ somewhere before... arent you on netgamers network now? |
| 15:10.49 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: eh, just use something like mplayer -really-quiet -cache 80 http://fusionchicago.com:8004 |
| 15:10.51 | bzed | SerajewelKS: probably you system jsut doesn;t manage to stream all that without dropping any stuff... as in IO problems |
| 15:10.56 | ^_^ | mmmm no earthian... it's the first time i use that nick, xD |
| 15:11.04 | earthian | i see. :) |
| 15:11.25 | SerajewelKS | bzed: if anything is dropping stuff it's mpg123. and my CPU utilization is well < 15% |
| 15:11.25 | jetscreamer | it's probably a common nick |
| 15:11.31 | Nigromante | dont know, perhaps in ftp server config files, but you must take into account a web browser is not an appropriate ftp client... |
| 15:11.35 | ^_^ | Nigromante, http://home.h01.itscom.net/para/software/misc/proftpd-iconv/index-e.html -> there's a patch |
| 15:11.41 | Nigromante | ok |
| 15:11.49 | ^_^ | but i tried to compile it, and after install it, i cannot make proftpd run... |
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| 15:12.21 | Nigromante | ok |
| 15:12.24 | morvok | has anyone came across cramfs: wrong magic causing a kernel panic? |
| 15:12.42 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: does it work with real mpg123 and not mpg321? (eg. mpg123-alsa package) |
| 15:12.45 | ^_^ | because some ftp clients (like smartftp), cannot enter directories that contain those strange characters |
| 15:12.57 | bzed | SerajewelKS: I guess alsa is dropping stuff |
| 15:12.57 | Nigromante | I see |
| 15:13.20 | wols | morvok: looks like a busted intird? |
| 15:13.47 | SerajewelKS | bzed: maybe |
| 15:14.03 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i'm trying something else now |
| 15:14.38 | ^_^ | i don't understand why the option of changing charsets on proftpd is enabled in the official version.... |
| 15:14.41 | ^_^ | grrrrr |
| 15:14.48 | morvok | wols: yeah. going through alot of things, turning the kernel back 1 point has been causing me grief all day. |
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| 15:15.13 | bzed | SerajewelKS: are you using dmix in alsa? |
| 15:15.20 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: okay, well this segfaults: wget http://fusionchicago.com:8004 -O - 2>/dev/null | lame --decode - - | sox - -t ossdsp /dev/dsp |
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| 15:15.21 | bzed | SerajewelKS: and which kind of card do you ahve? |
| 15:15.25 | SerajewelKS | bzed: yes |
| 15:15.38 | SerajewelKS | bzed: 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) |
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| 15:15.45 | bzed | SerajewelKS: ok, then I know where your problems result from |
| 15:15.59 | rjalex | when I install packages and have enlightenment as my WM only SOME apps get added to the menus. Why ? |
| 15:16.04 | bzed | SerajewelKS: can't that card handle more than one stream? |
| 15:16.05 | SerajewelKS | bzed: alsa? |
| 15:16.11 | Bizzeh | hey, when i download the dvd's, do i need dvd 1 and dvd 2, (binarys) or just 1? |
| 15:16.14 | SerajewelKS | bzed: not to my knowledge |
| 15:16.46 | SerajewelKS | bzed: i am trying mpg123 -o oss |
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| 15:17.00 | markybob | Bizzeh, most likely just 1. goes by order of popularity |
| 15:17.07 | SerajewelKS | bzed: no skips yet |
| 15:17.12 | wols | bzed: no hw mixer |
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| 15:17.34 | wols | AC97 never has |
| 15:17.38 | bzed | ah |
| 15:17.43 | SerajewelKS | it doesn't help that half the time you can't tell if it's a skip or the song |
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| 15:17.54 | SerajewelKS | but i don't think oss is skipping |
| 15:18.01 | SerajewelKS | okay nevermind, it just did |
| 15:18.02 | Virtual | wols: thank you for the help, it was actually knetworkmanager causing the problems, thats what I get for trying to use crappy little programs... I did everything manually from interfaces and works fine now |
| 15:18.19 | bzed | SerajewelKS: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ << I'm using that patch, the better preemption fixes most of the audio problems coming from dmix |
| 15:18.31 | Bizzeh | markybob: xorg, kde, mp3 playback, and wireless networking |
| 15:18.37 | morvok | wols: any hints what I can do.. I used the stocks 'sarges' kernel config disabled the dri (caused compiling failure). the kernel compiled but the initrd as you said seems to be the problem.. |
| 15:18.40 | wols | Virtual: and you learnt something int he process too. win all around :) |
| 15:18.51 | SerajewelKS | but it's skipping far less |
| 15:18.55 | wols | morvok: you have a custom kernel? |
| 15:19.24 | wols | morvok: simply don't use an initrd |
| 15:19.36 | markybob | Bizzeh, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#search-for-package |
| 15:19.53 | SerajewelKS | bzed: actually it's skipping a lot now. maybe because it's really going through alsa anyway? |
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| 15:19.59 | Pupeno2 | Hello. |
| 15:20.04 | lilliput | is anyone having pb with the apt-get bugtrack ? |
| 15:20.11 | wols | bzed: IIRC wireless networking might need contrib or non-free sources. which would mean it's on no CD or DVD IIRC |
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| 15:20.17 | lilliput | it's timeing out over here |
| 15:20.22 | rjalex | how do I change amongst one of the installed windowmanagers (xfce, fluxbox and enlightenment) ? xdm shows no prompt for the WM to be used. thanks |
| 15:20.26 | wols | !tell lilliput about anyone |
| 15:20.27 | bzed | wols: not me :P |
| 15:20.28 | morvok | wols: hrm.. I installled the initrd because the panic. |
| 15:20.39 | HostilePenguin | is there any way to have an option to not start x? |
| 15:20.42 | Pupeno2 | Is there some way to see the brands and models of the installed HD (I mean from a running Debian, without taking the HDs out... I need to identify which is which, sda and sdb). |
| 15:20.46 | wols | rjalex: .xinitrc or .xsession |
| 15:21.02 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno2: smartctl maybe |
| 15:21.04 | Pupeno2 | HostilePenguin: where do you that option. |
| 15:21.08 | wols | Pupeno2: dmesg |
| 15:21.18 | wols | Pupeno2: kern.log |
| 15:21.25 | HostilePenguin | how about i dont know? |
| 15:21.25 | Pupeno2 | SerajewelKS: that gave me the serials, but not the brands... maybe that will be enough, but I am not sure. |
| 15:21.30 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno2: or if you know which has which partitions, fdisk -l |
| 15:21.32 | wols | yes. smartctl and hdparm too |
| 15:21.34 | Pupeno2 | wols: I can't find it there. |
| 15:21.44 | lilliput | wols, did people were complaining about apt-get bugtrack timing out ? |
| 15:21.44 | wols | Pupeno2: smartctl is part of smartmontools |
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| 15:21.48 | Pupeno2 | SerajewelKS: partitionwise they are exactly the same (it is a software raid). |
| 15:21.51 | wols | lilliput: nope |
| 15:21.56 | ManuP | for internet-acces with university, we use cisco-vpn. do you recommend using cisco or an other vpn? |
| 15:22.23 | bzed | ManuP: use vpnc |
| 15:22.35 | ManuP | bzed, is it opensource? and why? |
| 15:22.42 | wols | rjalex: why not use a different displaymanager? |
| 15:23.04 | SerajewelKS | ManuP: for access to the network, from campus housing? |
| 15:23.21 | bzed | ManuP: the cisco client SUCKS ASS, but you can;t use anythign else with the cisco vpn gateways except vpnc. and yes, that's opensource and you can install it with apt-get. if your vpn gateway needs rekeying you want to use the version in unstable |
| 15:23.27 | lilliput | wols, thk you u did not have to dpkg me was still the same question and answer |
| 15:23.49 | bzed | ManuP: except if you like kernel oops, then install the original cisco client |
| 15:23.59 | SerajewelKS | ManuP: if you need this to use the network from on campus, a better solution may be to LART your network administrator |
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| 15:24.26 | wols | SerajewelKS: while satisfying, it would be detrimental to his internet access I think |
| 15:24.27 | ManuP | SerajewelKS, i can use it to connect from anywhere to the campus |
| 15:24.37 | ManuP | SerajewelKS, from inside and from hoe... |
| 15:24.43 | ManuP | s/hoe/home |
| 15:24.56 | SerajewelKS | ManuP: so this is for access to the campus network from off-campus? |
| 15:25.00 | bzed | ManuP: you should still slap your admins for using that cisco stuff at all. |
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| 15:25.14 | bzed | ManuP: but - use vpnc from unstable and it will jsut work well |
| 15:25.22 | ManuP | SerajewelKS, yes. //btw, what would be the other way? |
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| 15:25.32 | SerajewelKS | wols: we use cisco clean access here. thankfully it "knows" that i'm using linux so it doesn't require me to download a client. |
| 15:25.47 | SerajewelKS | ManuP: nothing, i thought you meant you needed a VPN to access the internet from on campues |
| 15:25.50 | SerajewelKS | ManuP: campus too |
| 15:25.52 | ManuP | bzed, i should fuck all the uni-admis up, cause using in most pc-pools MS win :(( |
| 15:26.08 | bzed | ManuP: yeah. bnut for your computer - apt-cache show vpnc |
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| 15:26.13 | massaki | hello, I`m having troubles to find out where my USB are mounted .. when I plug my Digital cam. nothing happend,.. but i can see debian reconized by usbview .. but can`t access the files(photos) |
| 15:26.26 | SerajewelKS | wols: it "knows" by way of the HTTP User-Agent and some javascript, all of which can be forged easily |
| 15:26.43 | ManuP | bzed, the very specific thing is, that i need group-pw and group-name as well as my username and userpw. |
| 15:26.57 | bzed | ManuP: if you don't get a cleartext version of your group password, there's also an encrypter: http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/ |
| 15:27.02 | wols | morvok: lsubs, dmesg |
| 15:27.11 | bzed | ManuP: you can configure all that stuff in vpnc's config files |
| 15:27.18 | wols | massaki: lsusb, dmesg |
| 15:27.19 | bzed | ManuP: and again, you want to use the version from unstable |
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| 15:27.48 | ManuP | bzed, what about the unstable version? can i apt-get it or do i have to compile it? |
| 15:27.57 | massaki | wols, yeh, i can see my cam. but , how to access the files ? |
| 15:27.58 | teclo | Hello, I finally got nvidia-legacy-kernel to compile on 2.6.20.3, but X still won't start... HOw can I fix that ? |
| 15:28.02 | bzed | ManuP: are you using etch? |
| 15:28.11 | ManuP | bzed, yes. |
| 15:28.17 | wols | massaki: load the usb-storage module |
| 15:28.19 | defcon8 | is it possible to merge directories over separate HDDs? |
| 15:28.20 | bzed | teclo: are you sure that you need the legacy version? |
| 15:28.27 | wols | and mount the camera (if it's a mass storage device) |
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| 15:28.32 | teclo | bzed: I think so |
| 15:28.34 | SerajewelKS | defcon8: mount them? |
| 15:28.43 | teclo | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2) |
| 15:28.46 | massaki | wols, its loaded |
| 15:28.51 | defcon8 | SerajewelKS, merge them |
| 15:28.57 | psyco-obiwan | starting to mess around with initrd on etch, should i learn about yaird or initramfs-tools ? |
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| 15:29.13 | defcon8 | SerajewelKS, like if the same dir on one HDD fills up, it starts writing to the other |
| 15:29.17 | wols | psyco-obiwan: do you have a boot raid or such? |
| 15:29.23 | bzed | ManuP: http://pastebin.ca/409264 |
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| 15:29.38 | psyco-obiwan | i want to boot completely from initrd at the end, diskless and via tftp |
| 15:29.42 | SerajewelKS | defcon8: i don't think such a thing exists. it's not really feasible. |
| 15:29.46 | psyco-obiwan | but the machines in question dont have raid |
| 15:29.48 | wols | ah k |
| 15:29.51 | defcon8 | damn |
| 15:29.52 | bzed | teclo: the normal driver in etch should support that |
| 15:30.00 | wols | yaird was discontinued afaik. it's initramfs-tools |
| 15:30.06 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i'm trying madplay now |
| 15:30.08 | psyco-obiwan | wols: THX! |
| 15:30.09 | massaki | wols, i don`t know where it is mounted .. lol |
| 15:30.19 | teclo | bzed: nvidia-kernel-source then ? |
| 15:30.24 | bzed | teclo: legacy in etch is the 1.0.7xxx version, which is for geforce2 -> riva tnt. use nvidia-kernel-source |
| 15:30.31 | wols | massaki: if you don't know it isn't mounted at all |
| 15:30.35 | teclo | bzed: ah, thank you |
| 15:30.41 | SerajewelKS | !tell telco about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:30.47 | teclo | bzed: the binary installer from nvidia.com told me I had to use the legacy version.... |
| 15:31.03 | bzed | teclo: that's a more recent version, you'll find that in experimental at the moment |
| 15:31.12 | bzed | teclo: you don;t want to use that installer, though |
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| 15:31.16 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: no skips yet |
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| 15:31.21 | massaki | wols, but is`t debian sarge supouse to have the usb automatic configurated ? |
| 15:31.23 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: so i guess the verdict is that mpg321 sucks |
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| 15:31.45 | bzed | ManuP: don't /msg me |
| 15:31.45 | andrago | hi |
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| 15:31.53 | wols | massaki: no. it won't mount anything automatically. debian never ever did. ubuntu might however |
| 15:31.56 | teclo | bzed: well imho the installer from nvidia.com sucks donkey balls |
| 15:31.59 | ManuP | bzed hmm.. i fear, setting the sources to testing/unstable could mess my system up. |
| 15:32.02 | massaki | wols, how can I find out what is the dev , my usb is using ? cuz, i cant see any, sda ,, |
| 15:32.03 | ManuP | bzed, okay |
| 15:32.07 | bzed | teclo: definitely |
| 15:32.11 | ManuP | sorry |
| 15:32.14 | wols | massaki: dmesg |
| 15:32.22 | bzed | ManuP: if you do it exactly as described nothign bad will happen |
| 15:32.31 | teclo | bzed: ok thanks a lot |
| 15:32.36 | massaki | i find something craz y like /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 15:32.38 | bzed | ManuP: don't forget to configure apt to use stuff from testing by default |
| 15:32.39 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: ya... seeing how mpg123 is back in Debian, I might remove mpg321 from the system |
| 15:32.41 | andrago | I trying to download current debian for amd64, but I cant find the iso file in any place. There exist? |
| 15:32.59 | bzed | teclo: no problem. don;t forget to install nvidia-glx after isntalling the kernel module |
| 15:33.05 | wols | of course you find a /proc entry for attached usb devices |
| 15:33.07 | bzed | andrago: ttp://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:33.08 | massaki | wols, everytime i connect my cam, dmes show a new adress to usb |
| 15:33.09 | andrago | or the x86_64 called in other distributions |
| 15:33.17 | bzed | andrago: amd64 is what you need |
| 15:33.28 | ManuP | bzed, i invested days to configure my system... i fear, sth. could go badly wrong |
| 15:33.29 | bzed | andrago: probably you want to install i386, though |
| 15:33.30 | wols | !tell andrago about d-i |
| 15:33.37 | massaki | wols, but, lol, how to access it.. |
| 15:33.38 | wols | andrago: the etch url has them |
| 15:33.46 | frankr | Hey guys I just compiled xgl from cvs - I didn't make install yet b/c the tut I was going by told me not to, but Ihave the Xglx bin; however when I run it (./Xglx :1 -ac -nolisten tcp -screen 1024x768) it says it can't find default font |
| 15:33.51 | wols | massaki: what does dmesg say? |
| 15:33.58 | andrago | ok, thanks I try thi url |
| 15:34.02 | bzed | andrago: because... all that funky desktop stuff like flash doesn;t work on 64bit |
| 15:34.04 | frankr | Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 15:34.39 | bzed | ManuP: you can try the vpnc in etch if you want. but if you're disconnected every 20 minutes... you'll have to use the one from unstable |
| 15:34.56 | wols | !tell frankr about font fixed |
| 15:35.05 | wols | !tell frankr about fixed font |
| 15:35.11 | massaki | wols, did`t say any path at all .. just adress 1, 2, 3, 4 ....new full usb device |
| 15:35.37 | bzed | ManuP: but just adding unstable won;t mess anythign up as long as you tell apt to stay with testing |
| 15:35.41 | andrago | bzed, actually I want the minimum installation I can achieve, is for an IDS. I never used debian but I think should work ok with that |
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| 15:35.49 | wols | massaki: is usb-storage loaded? |
| 15:35.59 | andrago | I'm testing centOS too |
| 15:36.16 | ManuP | bzed, so i will always get the same packages as now, if i add / mod the lines sources.lst? |
| 15:36.19 | bzed | andrago: then use the 64bit version. and yes, debian is great if you want to isntall minimal systems as you do not NEED to install everything, but you can. |
| 15:36.31 | wols | !tell massaki about usb-storage |
| 15:37.08 | bzed | ManuP: if you also add the extra file to the apt config as described. but testing will change with the time. etch is fixed now.... if you want I can backport vpnc from unstable to etch |
| 15:37.25 | andrago | In the web you gave me appear sarge and the testing version |
| 15:37.33 | andrago | what version I should donwload? |
| 15:37.35 | massaki | how to load |
| 15:37.44 | massaki | wols, how to load ? like, modprobe ? |
| 15:37.52 | bzed | ManuP: well, I can if you're on amd64 |
| 15:37.52 | wols | andrago: I'd use etch since you probably have new hardware |
| 15:38.13 | ManuP | bzed, what if i compile it myself? it isnt distri.way but... i could do updates myself. |
| 15:38.17 | bzed | andrago: use etch, definitely |
| 15:38.27 | ManuP | bzed, i have an 64bit amd.. .but runs on 32bit debian |
| 15:38.35 | andrago | ok, thanks I go to download it |
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| 15:38.42 | Enlil | Hello, I am a COMPLETE n00b with linux and I am having problems installing my wireless card which is a realtek rt8185. It has an install script but hen I run it it say that the /lib/modules/5.1.xxx/build doesnt exist. When I look at that folder it does exist. I checked the forums and there wasn't anything there I could understand |
| 15:39.10 | wols | Enlil: why does it say "5.1.xxx". that's no debian kernel |
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| 15:39.25 | wols | Enlil: what distro is this? |
| 15:39.43 | Enlil | knoppix 5.1 |
| 15:39.48 | wols | !knoppix |
| 15:39.48 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:40.00 | bzed | ManuP: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fv%2Fvpnc%2Fvpnc_0.4.0-2_i386.deb&md5sum=fc855fcb51fb6224d5ef464782201ef5&arch=i386&type=main << jsut download and install it |
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| 15:40.07 | bzed | ManuP: the .deb should work on testing |
| 15:40.14 | Enlil | i installed it to my HD and they told me it is now basically debian |
| 15:40.21 | wols | they lied |
| 15:40.25 | wols | !based on debian |
| 15:40.26 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 15:40.26 | Enlil | ah |
| 15:40.27 | bzed | ManuP: kvpnc is supposed to provide a nice graphical interface to configure vpnc |
| 15:40.47 | Enlil | thank you |
| 15:40.48 | wols | knoppix does many strange things we don't have a lcue about |
| 15:40.50 | Enlil | :) |
| 15:40.50 | wols | *clue |
| 15:41.08 | wols | Enlil: however: realtek wlan seems icky to be honest to install. so good luck |
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| 15:41.57 | ManuP | bzed, the link you just gave, is the "graphical" debian testing repository? |
| 15:42.27 | bzed | ManuP: it's just the list of all packages |
| 15:42.45 | wols | ManuP: and a good ressource if you search a file or package |
| 15:42.51 | teclo- | yeah finally got it working |
| 15:43.01 | andrago | bye, and thanks |
| 15:43.04 | ManuP | ah, okay |
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| 15:43.53 | Thms | how can I add a user to be able to launch X programs ? |
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| 15:44.59 | frankr | Is there a good Debian/xgl/beryl guide around? |
| 15:45.12 | ManuP | bzed, installation was succesfull. was it you who gave me the adress to convert group-password to clear text? my back-log isnt long enough :( |
| 15:45.31 | wols | !beryl |
| 15:45.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
| 15:45.56 | massaki | Why i dont have any /dev/sda ???? there is any other else /dev for usb devices ? |
| 15:46.17 | jetscreamer | /dev/sda1 maybe |
| 15:46.28 | massaki | nop, nothing like that |
| 15:46.57 | massaki | i try ./MAKEDEV sda .. but nothing.. |
| 15:47.42 | pingouin | massaki: check the /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog/ /var/log/kern.log maybe when you plug your usb device .? |
| 15:47.49 | wols | massaki: udev |
| 15:48.16 | rgsteele | massaki: dmesg | grep -i "scsi device" |
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| 15:49.32 | Thms | how can I make a user to be able to launch X applications ? (This user is in the video group) |
| 15:49.33 | massaki | rgsteele, any scsi device |
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| 15:49.56 | enouf | massaki: try lsahal | grep block.device |
| 15:49.58 | rgsteele | massaki: Could also try 'lsusb' |
| 15:50.19 | Virtual | I am having problems with ACPI, what kernel should I install to run good on my laptop, I have a AMD Turion 64 x2 Mobile CPU |
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| 15:51.01 | wols | Virtual: what debian branch? |
| 15:51.05 | massaki | i can see my digital cam. by lsusb |
| 15:51.09 | markybob | Virtual, what laptop, too? |
| 15:51.20 | Virtual | wols: ah sorry, i'm running etch on a Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop |
| 15:51.23 | enouf | Virtual: /mstg dpkg laptop .. also is it an hp nXXX model? |
| 15:51.28 | massaki | Bus 001 Device 019: ID 054c:0010 Sony Corp. DSC-S30/S70/S75/F505V/F505/FD92 Cybershot/Mavica Digital Camera |
| 15:51.35 | wols | Virtual: then 2.6.18 should be fine imho |
| 15:51.39 | massaki | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 15:51.48 | wols | you could compile your own 2.6.20 but I doubt it'll help (much) |
| 15:52.01 | enouf | massaki: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 15:52.11 | wols | massaki: do you KNOW it acts as a mass storage device? |
| 15:52.21 | wols | enouf: I gave him that long ago |
| 15:52.24 | enouf | I guess a camera is a storage device .. |
| 15:52.25 | bzed | Virtual: what are your problems exactly? |
| 15:52.30 | bzed | enouf: not all |
| 15:52.44 | enouf | wols: okie ;-) .. two times a charm? |
| 15:52.47 | wols | enouf: especially not all SOnys |
| 15:52.49 | bzed | but all models of the last 3 years or so |
| 15:53.17 | massaki | wols, why ? |
| 15:53.18 | redblue` | tell me |
| 15:53.29 | enouf | Boney .. hehe |
| 15:53.43 | Virtual | wols right now I am running 2.6.18-4-486 but acpi is practicly not running, in control center I can see that I need to enable ACPI from the ACPI panel but the ACPI panel is missing |
| 15:53.43 | wols | cause sony likes to make proprietary shit? |
| 15:53.50 | kingsley | Does a package exist which downloads only new podcasts either from HTML pages, or converts HTML pages to conventional podcast XML pages? |
| 15:53.53 | Virtual | bzed practically I cannot enable ACPI |
| 15:54.04 | wols | Virtual: get a -k7 or -k8 kernel |
| 15:54.20 | wols | and then do a dmesg |grep -i acpi after bootup |
| 15:54.35 | wols | Virtual: you need to learn to depend a lot less on X/GUI crud programs |
| 15:54.37 | enouf | do it know too ;-) |
| 15:54.51 | enouf | er now* |
| 15:55.05 | massaki | wols, what do u mean ? do i need any special way to get my data from sony memori stick ? |
| 15:55.15 | HandyAndE | can anyone help with logrotate future date stamp problems? |
| 15:55.17 | wols | massaki: I don't know. depends on the camera |
| 15:55.23 | massaki | lol |
| 15:55.53 | enouf | massaki: run update-pciids |
| 15:56.08 | wols | massaki: is usb-storage and sd-mod finally loaded? |
| 15:56.17 | wols | and did you do what the factoid told you? |
| 15:56.29 | enouf | bah .. nm .. more coffee |
| 15:56.41 | frankr | Is there a good Debian/xgl/beryl guide around? |
| 15:57.00 | wols | frankr: don't repeat and I alrady gave you a factoid about it |
| 15:57.12 | massaki | wols, i did, modprobe usb-storage .. and sd-mod too |
| 15:57.28 | wols | massaki: and? there is more inthat factoid to check. did you? |
| 15:57.38 | frankr | wols: factoid xgl-howto = broken |
| 15:57.50 | massaki | wols, i don`t know how to check .. LOL |
| 15:57.57 | frankr | wols, it gives you a dead link |
| 15:57.59 | wols | !tell frankr about beryl |
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| 15:58.53 | LunarCrisis | how do I find out what resolutions are supported for my monitor? I seem to remember there was an option for picking resolutions in the xserver-xorg config script, but I don't see it there anymore. |
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| 15:59.12 | bzed | frank: the beryl project has an apt repository |
| 15:59.18 | wols | Laura: hwinfo |
| 15:59.22 | wols | LunarCrisis: hwinfo |
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| 15:59.45 | Laura | wols: hello by the way ( I m DoubleHP in practice ) |
| 16:00.54 | enouf | !blame bzed for frankr 's dead link |
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| 16:01.06 | bzed | enouf: wasntme |
| 16:01.08 | enouf | wtf is jag? |
| 16:01.30 | frankr | haha |
| 16:01.38 | enouf | bzed: ahh .. peppe? .. le-pew? |
| 16:01.41 | bzed | jag__.... is jsut one random user |
| 16:01.43 | hark | it's a random nick ;) |
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| 16:02.03 | bzed | !nickometer ^_^ |
| 16:02.05 | dpkg | '^_^' is 97.050% lame, bzed |
| 16:02.10 | frankr | Guys my problem is with getting xgl not beryl x_x |
| 16:02.14 | enouf | righto .. drag the unknown and unwilling into it .. sure |
| 16:02.20 | frankr | I already ahve the beryl repo, I just can't get xgl working |
| 16:02.38 | frankr | I followed this tut taht guided me through compiling it from cvs but that was the whole xserver and it says not to make install because it'll break things |
| 16:02.45 | wols | !xgl |
| 16:02.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 16:02.50 | wols | and those links aren't all dead |
| 16:02.52 | frankr | I have the Xglx bin but its not working - yes wols I've seen that |
| 16:02.56 | wols | there are even package repos for it |
| 16:03.01 | bzed | frank: just don;t use it |
| 16:03.04 | frankr | package repos = old |
| 16:03.21 | bzed | frank: beryl works just fine if you isntall it by using their repository |
| 16:03.22 | hark | what graphics card? |
| 16:03.33 | bzed | frank: at least with an nvidia card |
| 16:03.37 | wols | february 2007 is old for you? |
| 16:04.51 | jetscreamer | ancient |
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| 16:05.01 | Madkiss | hi all. |
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| 16:05.07 | enouf | older than dirt |
| 16:05.13 | jetscreamer | !greet Madkiss |
| 16:05.14 | dpkg | Bonjour, Madkiss |
| 16:05.14 | bzed | frankr: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 16:05.23 | Mate | hello |
| 16:05.37 | Mate | anyone can help me please? |
| 16:05.44 | enouf | !ask |
| 16:05.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:05.53 | jetscreamer | !tell mate -ab.... nm |
| 16:06.21 | peppe | enouf: hm? |
| 16:06.23 | potolo|away | Hi. Would anybody be willing to paste onto a pastebin site, an uncustomized .bashrc file from their home directory, in Debian Etch? If so please do so & respond with URL. Thank you |
| 16:06.25 | Mate | how can i parted my harddrive to install kanotix from live cd? |
| 16:06.40 | bzed | potolo|away: cat /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 16:06.51 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 16:07.02 | Mate | is that a command? |
| 16:07.04 | potolo|away | allegedly, a customized prompt can cause probs with ssh logins. am scraping barrel on troubleshooting front |
| 16:07.15 | frankr | bzed: saw that too, link to xgl debs is borked |
| 16:07.18 | enouf | peppe: was just pulling you into the 'blame someone' for no apparent reason .. |
| 16:07.22 | jetscreamer | Mate: #kanotix |
| 16:07.25 | bzed | Mate: ask in #kanotix or whereever people can help you with kanotix |
| 16:07.25 | peppe | enouf: thanks :P |
| 16:07.36 | frankr | it links to here: http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/ which has plenty o' php errors |
| 16:07.44 | bzed | frank: I ahven;t installed them and it works just fine |
| 16:07.47 | enouf | my pleasure ;-0 |
| 16:08.02 | hark | take it from /etc/skel/ |
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| 16:08.17 | jetscreamer | Mate: you're not even in #kanotix |
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| 16:08.26 | potolo|away | hark and bzed thanks |
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| 16:08.41 | frankr | bzed: o_O? You need xgl or aiglx for compiz/beryl; I have to use fglrx drivers so I have to use glx |
| 16:09.21 | hark | the nvidia drivers |
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| 16:09.23 | bzed | frankr: true, aiglx just works well for me :P |
| 16:09.44 | bzed | frankr: you coudl try to isntall the deb from ubuntu *cough* *runaway* |
| 16:09.49 | ManuP | bzed, i now have an other question about vpnc... |
| 16:09.57 | peppe | «The Web is built on open standards and we at Microsoft believe that we have to enable those open standards» --- don't even try, the 2007 "Bullshit of The Year Award" is already won. |
| 16:10.19 | ManuP | bzed, the manual says: OBLICATORY WARNING: the most used configuration (XAUTH authentication) is insecure by design, be aware of this fact when you use vpnc to exchange sensitive data like passwords! |
| 16:10.20 | Mate | i have parted hard to 5 part but small amount and now can\t reparted again what sould i do if i would repart hard again? |
| 16:10.37 | jetscreamer | Mate: /join #kanotix |
| 16:10.38 | earthian | hm.. is there a way to change bpp of my screen without restarting Xorg? |
| 16:10.40 | ManuP | bzed, as far as i know, vpn should be at least 128bit encrypted. |
| 16:10.41 | Helikaon | does the new debian installer(used with etch) drop a kernel config anywhere? becuase the kernel config its installed is pretty perfect for what this machine needs for the time being and i dont really have the time to compile a more custom kernel at the moment, the machine in question is just one i use to test software and hardware before commiting it to my other machines |
| 16:10.47 | bzed | ManuP: yes. as we said before - blame your dumb admins for using cisco stuff at all |
| 16:11.02 | hark | in /boot |
| 16:11.04 | wols | Mate: we don't have clue what you're actually saying. best ask #kanotix, not us |
| 16:11.05 | Mate | #kanotix |
| 16:11.08 | jetscreamer | Helikaon: you mean after install? in /boot |
| 16:11.17 | ManuP | bzed, i will blame next time i see... okay... |
| 16:11.17 | jetscreamer | Mate: /join #kanotix |
| 16:11.35 | Helikaon | jetscreamer: fantastic, thank you :) |
| 16:11.38 | ManuP | bzed, but what does this mean? that the connection (even with cisco) is insecure? |
| 16:11.49 | bzed | ManuP: if they use xauth authentication, it doesn;t matter if you use the original (sucking) cisco vpn client or vpnc, it'll be unsecure, because they fucked up the protocol |
| 16:11.51 | jetscreamer | Helikaon: hark beat me to it |
| 16:12.01 | bzed | !beat jetscreamer |
| 16:12.08 | hark | !win me |
| 16:12.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, hark! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 16:12.46 | ManuP | bzed, no, as far as i know, they arnt unsing Xauth. |
| 16:12.55 | hark | ManuP: if you have a pcf, you can use it directly.. no need to configure anything |
| 16:13.10 | ManuP | hark, ah |
| 16:13.14 | bzed | hark: if you use the original cisco client, but you don;t use that |
| 16:13.19 | ManuP | hark, i just wantet to pastbin it *g* |
| 16:13.39 | bzed | oh |
| 16:13.44 | bzed | they support that now |
| 16:14.02 | ManuP | hark, i can use the cisco pcf...but it has many, many settings. i can not find them in the manual, so i didnt ask. |
| 16:14.02 | bzed | ManuP: if you;ve installed the version from unstable you can indeed use the pcf file, thanks hark |
| 16:14.47 | hark | too bad it doesn't support IPSec over TCP |
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| 16:14.58 | ManuP | bzed, which did i install? ^^ |
| 16:15.03 | hark | ManuP: kvpnc is a frontend |
| 16:15.17 | ManuP | hark, i know, bzed told me... dindt installit. |
| 16:15.38 | bzed | ManuP: as long as you have to use a groupname, a group secret, your username and your apssword, you;ve using xauth authentication. and that's just unsecure. but I doubt there's any way around that, as most dumb universities (like mine) use it |
| 16:15.58 | bzed | ManuP: if you've downloaded and installed the deb from the page I linked you to, you have the latest version, 4.0somethign |
| 16:16.18 | ManuP | bzed, so the testing.. |
| 16:16.29 | bzed | no, unstable ManuP |
| 16:16.47 | ManuP | bzed, hark should i post the pcf? |
| 16:16.54 | bzed | no |
| 16:16.55 | ManuP | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.58 | ManuP | :( |
| 16:17.08 | hark | tias first |
| 16:17.14 | bzed | you don;t wanna share your university's secrets ;) |
| 16:17.26 | ManuP | we need group and user pw... so it is Xauth :( |
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| 16:19.34 | bzed | ManuP: you'll have to live with that :) |
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| 16:20.22 | HellTiger | deb http://http.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 16:20.28 | HellTiger | is this right ? |
| 16:21.19 | ManuP | bzed, well all the students here are in the same boat then |
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| 16:21.26 | bzed | yes HellTiger |
| 16:21.38 | bzed | ManuP: http://pastebin.ca/409318 << such a config could work for you |
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| 16:21.59 | bzed | ManuP: you need to decrypt the group password, though. or try to let vpnc work with the pcf file |
| 16:22.08 | bzed | ManuP: or jstu use kvpnc |
| 16:22.13 | HellTiger | bzed, its not working |
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| 16:22.18 | hark | replace the second http with ftp |
| 16:22.48 | cuco | hi all, i have a debian etch installation which keeps freezing on me. the HW is ok, since it works prefectly using sarge. nothing respons now even sysreq. how can i debug this issue? |
| 16:23.00 | poh | does anyone know how I can try upstart without removing sysvinit? I want to try it without messing with my current setup |
| 16:23.34 | HostilePenguin | freezes when? |
| 16:23.46 | ManuP | bzed, i first try the pcf, then the other way |
| 16:24.14 | bzed | hark: oh, indeed |
| 16:24.14 | cuco | i am trying to measure asterisk on that box (everything from the official repositories). on random ocqsions it dies. |
| 16:24.17 | hark | bzed: well, the link wasn't openeing here :) |
| 16:24.20 | HostilePenguin | and freezes how |
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| 16:24.33 | bzed | HellTiger: as hark said, most debian mirrors are called ftp.country.debian.org.... for http and ftp |
| 16:24.36 | ManuP | no, dont work with pcf :( |
| 16:24.47 | bzed | ManuP: read the docu and use kvpnc |
| 16:25.20 | bzed | ManuP: vpnc comes with and needs several scripts to configure your network |
| 16:26.11 | ManuP | bzed, http://pastebin.ca/409329 my pcf... |
| 16:26.34 | HostilePenguin | what is sysreq? |
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| 16:27.49 | cuco | HostilePenguin: /proc/sysreq for example |
| 16:28.03 | cuco | (you can call it by the keyboard as well) |
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| 16:28.48 | frankr | arghhhh I need xgl deb for debian amd64 and the only site that has it is down |
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| 16:29.17 | ManuP | hark, vpnc dont parse the pcf :( |
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| 16:30.31 | Gokee2_Laptop | I am going to be blacklisting the bcm43xx module and dpkg says to do it "in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true"" this seems fine but when I open blacklist is has a bunch of modules using the syntex "blacklist wdt_pci" If I need to do "install module_name /bin/true" what does "blacklist module" do? |
| 16:30.44 | hark | ManuP: vpnc-connect /path/to/pcf ? |
| 16:31.03 | wols | frankr: not true |
| 16:31.03 | ManuP | hark, i did this. errors from line 1 to 9 ... |
| 16:31.04 | wols | http://www5.autistici.org/debian-xgl/debian-test/ |
| 16:31.07 | roxy_ | anyone using mc under debian testing ? mine doesn't stop segfaulting :( |
| 16:31.30 | frankr | .. jesus look at the date on those |
| 16:31.34 | frankr | it was like july of last year |
| 16:33.04 | ManuP | hark, if i write the IPsec gateway to vpngw1.net.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de it fails. in the pcf of cisco, the fileds name is just Host= |
| 16:33.09 | enouf | poh: feeling experimetal? |
| 16:33.33 | hark | ManuP: moment |
| 16:33.34 | enouf | er mental* :-P |
| 16:33.48 | enouf | now it all makes sense! |
| 16:34.17 | cuco | roxy_: works here |
| 16:35.50 | ManuP | for vpn, do i need to modprobe tun?? |
| 16:35.51 | HellTiger | hm installere nun ohne bugreport |
| 16:36.10 | HellTiger | habe dies bei filezilla festgestellt. soll dies irgend wo gemeldet werden ? |
| 16:36.12 | hark | ManuP: it looks ok to me.. the pcf i have is just about the same |
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| 16:37.20 | rahul | !debian-de |
| 16:37.26 | rahul | !de |
| 16:37.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 16:37.36 | ManuP | hark, i have version 0.4.0-2 |
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| 16:38.54 | ManuP | this should be the most recently... |
| 16:39.08 | hark | ManuP: wait let me try |
| 16:39.56 | roxy_ | cusco: even tagging a file and F5 makes it crash |
| 16:40.01 | ManuP | hark, the correct error-msg is: vpnc: warning: unknown configuration directive in .. |
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| 16:40.13 | ma3x | why is apt-listbugs getting stuck? |
| 16:40.15 | ma3x | Retrieving bug reports... 0% |
| 16:40.18 | ma3x | it just stays there |
| 16:40.43 | roxy_ | ma3x: it is not working on week-ends, wait for monday morning. |
| 16:40.46 | wols | seems it's broken today. now you're the 2nd one mentioning it |
| 16:40.54 | wols | lilliput: see ma3x has the same problem as you |
| 16:41.08 | wols | roxy_: 9-5 only? |
| 16:41.26 | ma3x | wols: how come bts is working but apt-listbugs won't fetch the reports? |
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| 16:41.33 | wols | no clue |
| 16:41.33 | roxy_ | wols: yes, it's probably french or something :-) |
| 16:41.42 | streuner | ma3x: the server is prolly down |
| 16:41.55 | ma3x | isn't the same server for bts and apt-listbugs? |
| 16:42.01 | streuner | no |
| 16:42.19 | ma3x | ok sergent streuner |
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| 16:43.08 | wols | they make sergeant out of tramps now? pffft |
| 16:43.53 | wols | you can't slap people. yoU're no officer |
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| 16:45.08 | roxy_ | how do I get more info from a prog on the reason of the segfault. atm it only says segmentation fault. ? |
| 16:45.20 | markybob | wols, depends. i kicked one of my guys in the ass once with steal-toed boots |
| 16:45.28 | lilliput | wols, thank you to let me know, I had to uninstall the apt-listbug cause it will not handle this case and looped forever. checking the bts for this bug |
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| 16:46.15 | jelly-home | markybob: however that's definitely not a bitchy slap. |
| 16:46.19 | wols | roxy_: let it make a coredump |
| 16:46.26 | markybob | jelly-home, heh :) |
| 16:46.28 | wols | or run it unedr a strace |
| 16:46.31 | hark | ManuP: a little busy right now, meanwhile try with kvpnc if you can (it should be able to import it too) |
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| 16:46.50 | wols | but my guess is you go some non-official libries which mc chokes on |
| 16:47.10 | roxy_ | wols: how do I do that ? |
| 16:47.16 | aadil | mc chokes is teh nemesis of mc hammer right? |
| 16:47.26 | aadil | no wait, mn |
| 16:47.29 | aadil | :\ |
| 16:48.04 | hark | ManuP: ah, i remember now.. ;) |
| 16:48.22 | hark | ManuP: use /usr/share/vpnc/pcf2vpnc to convert it |
| 16:48.44 | hark | that is why it was not parsing it for you |
| 16:49.16 | wols | !strace |
| 16:49.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, strace is a system call tracing utility. Run it like so: 'strace -f -o LOGFILE EXEC'.. A good way to diagnose problems |
| 16:49.21 | hark | (kvpnc does it transparently) |
| 16:50.27 | ManuP | hark, i'll give it a try |
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| 16:52.13 | streuner | ma3x: http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi |
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| 16:55.13 | ktwilight | noo~ there's no checkinstall in etch |
| 16:55.18 | ktwilight | is there an alternative? |
| 16:55.36 | ManuP | hark, it procudes nearly the same file i wrote (groupw is in encrypted form (in automatically created) and IKE DH Group dh2 was added). still not working. if you have much work now, maybe we can talk later? |
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| 16:55.38 | morvok | roftl: never had a comp say this to me before: by default, I assume you know what you are doing, and I apologize for being so annoying. Should I abort{Ny}? |
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| 16:56.46 | GoAuLd | hahaha |
| 16:57.02 | ManuP | hark, could it be, because the host is down? ping tells me so. |
| 16:57.10 | GoAuLd | thats cool morvok |
| 16:57.15 | GoAuLd | tellme more |
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| 16:57.23 | GoAuLd | lol |
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| 16:57.45 | lfs | I spent a whole day to find out the lynx has brain dead downloading protocol |
| 16:58.02 | streuner | http? |
| 16:58.07 | streuner | ;-) |
| 16:58.19 | lfs | It adds headers to binaries |
| 16:58.25 | hark | ManuP: hmm, but is vpnc-connect now accepting the file? |
| 16:58.49 | bkw | Is it possible to exclude directories while running /bin/mv /home/bkw/backup/* /backup/ 2>&1 > /dev/null ? |
| 16:58.54 | lfs | I cant figure out how to get lynx to download a binary without manglling it. |
| 16:59.03 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.11 | streuner | hit 'D' (download) :-) |
| 16:59.27 | lfs | is that different than d? |
| 16:59.33 | streuner | nah |
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| 16:59.41 | lfs | that dont work |
| 16:59.52 | \amethyst | lfs: what are you trying to download? |
| 16:59.54 | streuner | you download something wrong then |
| 16:59.56 | ManuP | hark, it does and it did my self-written to. only pcf not. so in this way you remembered correctly :D |
| 16:59.59 | \amethyst | I don't have any problems downloading jpgs |
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| 17:00.04 | madd_matt | When I su to root, I no longer have a colour console. Why is that? |
| 17:00.10 | lfs | I am trying to download the Debian install files |
| 17:00.34 | lfs | checksums were always wrong so I went to other computer and found it the problem is lynx |
| 17:00.43 | \amethyst | from where, exactly? |
| 17:01.42 | bzed | lfs: i just tried it and it worked well |
| 17:01.53 | lfs | I am using Knoppix |
| 17:02.06 | lfs | It doesnt work right |
| 17:02.09 | bzed | lfs: don't blame debian than |
| 17:02.14 | bzed | komppix != debian |
| 17:02.20 | \amethyst | lfs: Does knoppix have links? |
| 17:02.24 | lfs | I guess Debian has sane defaults |
| 17:02.27 | bzed | no |
| 17:02.40 | \amethyst | use wget then :) |
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| 17:02.45 | bzed | use wget or links |
| 17:02.47 | \amethyst | or curl, whichever it provides |
| 17:02.54 | lfs | But then it is hard as hell to find what I want |
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| 17:03.12 | \amethyst | you could use ftp... |
| 17:03.35 | \amethyst | lfs: the idea is, find the URL in lynx, then give it to wget |
| 17:03.52 | lfs | How to do that easily from text console? |
| 17:04.08 | GoAuLd | is out there an official debian live cd installable ? |
| 17:04.09 | \amethyst | lfs: is gpm running? (do you have a mouse cursor?) |
| 17:04.21 | lfs | no mouse |
| 17:04.25 | lfs | runlevel 2 |
| 17:04.33 | bzed | GoAuLd: why not use the installer? |
| 17:04.40 | bzed | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:04.50 | hark | !livecd |
| 17:04.50 | dpkg | hmm... livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 17:05.03 | GoAuLd | thank u |
| 17:05.04 | hark | but it's still in progress |
| 17:05.08 | bkw | So it is not possible excluding directories using mv? |
| 17:05.16 | bzed | no |
| 17:05.30 | lfs | Y not? |
| 17:05.55 | lfs | cant you prune using find. |
| 17:06.14 | bkw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.23 | bzed | you can use a lot of other ways, but mv alone does nto support it |
| 17:06.41 | bkw | makes cron drop notices to me every morning |
| 17:06.51 | bkw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.52 | bzed | bkw: don;t use * |
| 17:07.20 | bkw | bzed: will that make any difference? |
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| 17:07.51 | bkw | because I want to move the both files in /* |
| 17:07.57 | bkw | and /dir/* |
| 17:08.10 | bzed | no, but it will save your ass if there's a file called ' ; rm -rf /;' in the directory |
| 17:08.13 | bkw | to different locations |
| 17:08.37 | bzed | err ok the / does not work |
| 17:08.38 | zinx | bzed: eh, that's not how shell expansion works |
| 17:08.44 | bzed | no, but it will save your ass if there's a file called ' ; rm -rf ' in the directory |
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| 17:09.16 | zinx | bzed: you can add options via files like '-rf', but ; isn't going to do what you think it does |
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| 17:09.43 | zinx | bzed: unless you're using a badly written script which would also fail on files with spaces in them |
| 17:09.54 | \amethyst | bkw: the problem is that /backup/databaser already exists |
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| 17:10.20 | bkw | yes. of course. that's where my backups are dumped. |
| 17:10.31 | bzed | zinx: yeah, I was thinking of those badly written scripts :P |
| 17:10.49 | bzed | bkw: you can't move a directory over a directory |
| 17:10.50 | \amethyst | bkw: mv overwrites targets that already exist |
| 17:10.51 | bkw | I can of course seperate backup and databaser as two directories. but that's not what I really want |
| 17:11.15 | \amethyst | bkw: Why isn't that what you want? |
| 17:11.30 | bkw | bzed: therefore I would like to exclude the dir if possible |
| 17:11.58 | bzed | bkw: use rsync for example... and delete the original dir if it was successful |
| 17:12.02 | bkw | \amethyst: I want a parent backup dir |
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| 17:12.08 | ^_^ | byebyee! |
| 17:12.54 | bkw | And I don't understand how mv cause a error so cron email me even when I redirect to dev null |
| 17:13.16 | \amethyst | bkw: you need to redirect stderr, too |
| 17:13.20 | \amethyst | >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 17:14.16 | bkw | 2>&1 > /dev/null is what I have, should I add >/dev/null 2>&1 after that also? |
| 17:14.41 | bkw | or replace the line |
| 17:14.41 | \amethyst | swap the order |
| 17:15.04 | bkw | ok. I will try that out. |
| 17:15.09 | \amethyst | as is, it sends stderr to where stdout originally went, and sends stdout to /dev/null |
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| 17:15.15 | \amethyst | bkw: maybe something like for x in /home/bkw/backup/*; if ! [ -d "/home/bkw/backup/databaser" ]; then mv $x /backup/; done |
| 17:15.25 | \amethyst | bkw: err |
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| 17:15.31 | \amethyst | bkw: maybe something like for x in /home/bkw/backup/*; if ! [ -d $x ]; then mv $x /backup/; done |
| 17:15.45 | \amethyst | bkw: that will move all the non-directories in /home/bkw/backup to /backup |
| 17:15.47 | ShredZ | erm, how can I download a .deb fie through apt that is already the newest version ? |
| 17:16.03 | bkw | \amethyst: I will try that. |
| 17:16.05 | ShredZ | tried apt-get install --download-only but it just informs me the package is up to date |
| 17:16.11 | bkw | \amethyst: thanks |
| 17:16.16 | \amethyst | bkw: that won't get subdirs at all |
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| 17:16.59 | \amethyst | err |
| 17:17.04 | Agiofws | hello |
| 17:17.22 | bzed | ShredZ: what do you really want to do? |
| 17:17.25 | \amethyst | bkw: for x in /home/bkw/backup/{*,.*}; if ! [ -d "$x" ]; then mv "$x" /backup/; done will handle all filenames properly |
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| 17:17.54 | Agiofws | how can i install cinelerra in debian |
| 17:17.57 | lfs | OK I have the file I want in lynx, any easy way to get it down with something else? |
| 17:17.59 | ShredZ | bzed, I want the .deb so I can give it to a friend |
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| 17:18.05 | \amethyst | bkw: for x in /home/bkw/backup/{*,.*}; if ! [ -d "$x" ]; then mv -- "$x" /backup/; done |
| 17:18.18 | bzed | ShredZ: send them to packages.debian.org, they can download it there |
| 17:18.21 | Agiofws | whats the serach command |
| 17:18.29 | \amethyst | ShredZ: /var/cache/apt/archives/ might be useful too |
| 17:18.30 | Agiofws | for apt get |
| 17:18.41 | bzed | !tell Agiofws about search |
| 17:18.46 | ShredZ | \amethyst, I looked but it's not there |
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| 17:19.24 | \amethyst | ShredZ: apt-get install --reinstall --download-only package |
| 17:19.37 | \amethyst | That should put it into the cache directory |
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| 17:20.27 | Agiofws | apt-cache search <name> is that syntax right ? |
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| 17:21.26 | \amethyst | bkw: one more error: for x in /home/bkw/backup/{*,.*}; if ! [ -d "$x" ]; then mv -- "$x" /backup/; fi; done |
| 17:21.27 | adlpaf-mobile | Agiofws, yes |
| 17:21.28 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.33 | bzed | yes |
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| 17:22.25 | mindframe_ | anyone know about esata in linux ? |
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| 17:24.29 | lfs | how to get lynx to give the URL address? |
| 17:24.54 | adlpaf-mobile | someone knows if Debian Instaler support SATA Disk from SAMSUNG??? |
| 17:25.23 | lfs | yes it supports that I am pretty sure |
| 17:25.30 | zinx | adlpaf-mobile: the controller is more important than the disk |
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| 17:25.50 | adlpaf-mobile | zinx, exactly |
| 17:26.00 | Agiofws | adlpaf-mobile , bzed if i want to install cinelerra on debian or ubuntu ? |
| 17:26.07 | Agiofws | will aptcache find it ? |
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| 17:26.12 | Agiofws | should it find it ? |
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| 17:26.37 | adlpaf-mobile | Agiofws, aptitude search cinelerra |
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| 17:27.05 | adlpaf-mobile | Agiofws, if it is exist on repos, aptitude install cinelerra |
| 17:27.13 | Agiofws | adlpaf-mobile, and please tell me how to enable debian repositiries |
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| 17:27.18 | Agiofws | in ubuntu |
| 17:27.19 | dual-man | i'm trying to forward port 3389 to an internal machine, iptables -nvL -t nat shows 1 pkts and 48 bytes everytime i try, but it doesn't work and i've made sure the machine works from inside the netwrok |
| 17:27.37 | rambo3 | Agiofws, you are in the wrong channel |
| 17:27.37 | petemc | dual-man: is the machine allowed back out? |
| 17:27.58 | Agiofws | ok aptitude search cinelerra did not bring up anything |
| 17:28.15 | dual-man | petemc, i have set all tables to accept everything, must i do something else? |
| 17:28.34 | lfs | l will list the links in the current document |
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| 17:29.01 | adlpaf-mobile | Agiofws, you have to edit the sources.list file |
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| 17:29.22 | adlpaf-mobile | and then aptitude update and the last, aptitude upgrade |
| 17:29.25 | petemc | dual-man: no, that should be ok - i forward rdp for machines regularly, workfs fine here |
| 17:29.52 | Agiofws | adlpaf-mobile, /etc ? |
| 17:29.55 | Agiofws | in etc ? |
| 17:29.58 | dual-man | petemc: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -d 64.56.129.77 --dport 3389 -j DNAT --to 10.0.0.55:3389 is this correct? |
| 17:29.59 | adlpaf-mobile | Agiofws, yes |
| 17:30.39 | adlpaf-mobile | zinx, but the Debian Intallers have that controllers??? |
| 17:31.00 | petemc | dual-man: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 3389 -j DNAT --to internal-ip |
| 17:31.01 | Agiofws | adlpaf-mobile, |
| 17:31.03 | petemc | is what i use |
| 17:31.11 | Agiofws | /etc/sources.list ? |
| 17:31.28 | rambo3 | !fstab > Agiofws |
| 17:31.33 | yang | how to sort "ps" by username? |
| 17:31.33 | adlpaf-mobile | Agiofws, yes, that file |
| 17:31.37 | bzed | Agiofws: you're using ubuntu, so please join #ubuntu |
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| 17:31.46 | Agiofws | ok |
| 17:31.51 | Agiofws | so its another pathh |
| 17:32.14 | \amethyst | yang: --sort user oddly enough |
| 17:32.33 | bzed | Agiofws: the package you're looking for does not exist in DEBIAN, but you're using UBUNTU. so we can just tell you to grab your hat and wander off to #ubuntu |
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| 17:32.45 | yang | amethyst thanks |
| 17:33.05 | \amethyst | Agiofws: have you tried searching the web for cinerella ubuntu ? |
| 17:33.09 | dual-man | petemc: is there something else that could be wrong? |
| 17:33.47 | bzed | yang: or ps xauOu |
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| 17:34.14 | bzed | yang: as in Ou for sorting by user |
| 17:34.17 | lfs | What is the command to make a file executable? |
| 17:34.17 | petemc | dual-man: iptables -A FORWARD -s internal-ip -o eth0 -j ACCEPT , thats what i use to allow the connection back out |
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| 17:34.26 | petemc | chmod +x file |
| 17:34.52 | lfs | yea got it. |
| 17:35.02 | \amethyst | if you want it executable by everyone |
| 17:37.07 | dual-man | petemc: there's gotto be something wrong with my setup |
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| 17:37.26 | dual-man | i don't think it's iptables |
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| 17:37.41 | dual-man | does the host file have anything to do with it? |
| 17:38.44 | dual-man | i have internet on eth0, then internal on eth1, i think it should simply work but there seems to be something not right |
| 17:38.56 | jubei_ | I have this eth1 interface, which must be up for ppp to work. What do I need to put in networking/interfaces for it to just come up without any adresses or looking for dhcp etc? auto eth1 doesn't do the job, i also need iface eth1 inet .. ? |
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| 17:39.48 | dual-man | if i set manual ip's do i still need the auto eth1 line in interfaces |
| 17:40.05 | jubei_ | dual-man: yes you do |
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| 17:40.15 | \amethyst | dual-man: yes, that means bring it up automatically on boot |
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| 17:40.49 | ma3x | can I add 'init=/sbin/bootchartd' to the kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro line? |
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| 17:41.06 | ma3x | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro init=/sbin/bootchartd |
| 17:41.07 | ma3x | is that fine? |
| 17:41.12 | dual-man | do i need to specify gateways for my internal port? |
| 17:42.13 | \amethyst | ma3x: is bootchartd designed to do that? |
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| 17:42.24 | ma3x | \amethyst: do what? |
| 17:42.31 | \amethyst | ma3x: serve as init |
| 17:42.51 | ma3x | well the manual says bootchartd is commonly used to profile the boot process for the purpose of speeding it up. In this case, it is |
| 17:42.51 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.51 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.07 | \amethyst | ma3x: ok, then yes, that's fine |
| 17:43.15 | ma3x | \amethyst: will it really speed it up? |
| 17:43.18 | ma3x | or it's just for statistic? |
| 17:43.18 | \amethyst | ma3x: no |
| 17:43.22 | \amethyst | ma3x: statistics |
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| 17:43.30 | \amethyst | it's for profiling boot |
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| 17:43.53 | bzed | ma3x: what's wrong with the boot process? it's faster than windows |
| 17:43.53 | ma3x | \amethyst: what do I need statistics for? I read on slashdot that it can really speed it up |
| 17:44.00 | ma3x | bzed: no, its not |
| 17:44.15 | ma3x | win takes about 30 secs, linux 1+ minute |
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| 17:44.26 | bzed | ma3x: if you'd be starting the same number of services in windows, it is. |
| 17:44.36 | magyar | what is the proper way to transport mail with postfix to an exchange server? |
| 17:44.48 | bzed | magyar: smtp? |
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| 17:45.01 | magyar | bzed: yes |
| 17:45.17 | orian | I'm planning to install etch via the Internet. Will the network installer allow me to do this using my wireless connection, which is protected with Wep? I haven't installed debian before, just ubuntu. Thanks |
| 17:45.37 | \amethyst | ma3x: You shouldn't trust everything you read on slashdot |
| 17:45.52 | ma3x | \amethyst: did you see it? |
| 17:46.00 | \amethyst | link? |
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| 17:46.27 | \amethyst | ma3x: found it |
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| 17:46.43 | \amethyst | ma3x: that doesn't say that bootchart will make anything faster |
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| 17:47.16 | ma3x | well it says you can optimize it then |
| 17:47.17 | ma3x | how? |
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| 17:47.30 | ma3x | Linux: How To Speed Up Linux Booting |
| 17:47.33 | ma3x | that's what it says |
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| 17:48.01 | \amethyst | ma3x: I can't tell you how to turn data into a hypothesis and test that |
| 17:48.13 | bzed | Using the bootchart package, you can dig in further to understand where your system is spending its boot time to optimize even more." |
| 17:48.18 | bzed | that's what it says |
| 17:48.28 | bzed | it says not: bootchartd speeds up your boot |
| 17:48.41 | \amethyst | ma3x: bootchart lets you see a graph of how long each boot process takes, and what it's spending its time on |
| 17:48.58 | ma3x | so if you know that, how can you speed it up? |
| 17:49.09 | \amethyst | ma3x: You can use that to A. figure out things you can rearrange or parallelize and B. confirm that you have sped things up |
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| 17:49.31 | ma3x | i see |
| 17:49.50 | bzed | readin sometimes helps ma3x |
| 17:49.57 | Midspeed | hello everybody i need some help here, where can i get a multiverse respository list for debian? |
| 17:50.13 | bzed | the article shlashdot links to is quite well written btw, but nothing for people who no knowthing about linux |
| 17:50.15 | ma3x | you have bootchart installed? |
| 17:50.24 | ma3x | bzed: dont blame me |
| 17:50.46 | \amethyst | ma3x: did you read that article on IBM's site? |
| 17:50.49 | bzed | Midspeed: debian doesn;t need some weird things like multiverse as it comes with even more packages as ubuntu ships in multiverse and whereever else |
| 17:50.57 | ma3x | \amethyst: what article? |
| 17:51.09 | bzed | ma3x: you blame yourself for not beeing able to read the article on slashdot |
| 17:51.09 | hark | heh |
| 17:51.10 | \amethyst | ma3x: The one the slashdot article linked to |
| 17:51.12 | ManuP | if i installed a program with make install, how is it removed? and how do i know, really all files have ben deleted? |
| 17:51.39 | bzed | ma3x: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/03/24/1632203.shtml read it again and tell me where it says that bootchart speeds up the boot process |
| 17:51.42 | Midspeed | bzed: i have both installation DVDs but i made the mistake of not adding the graphical user interface |
| 17:51.44 | \amethyst | You cannot inform yourself with a one-paragraph summary on a moderately sensationalist tech news site |
| 17:52.00 | Midspeed | and i mistakenly erased the information on the sources.list file |
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| 17:52.14 | amphi | ManuP: if the Makefile has no 'uninstall' target, you can do 'make -n install' to see what it did/would do, and remove the files manually |
| 17:52.15 | omg0 | new day same old problem and more but I am up for the challenge |
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| 17:52.21 | bzed | !tell Midspeed about sources.list |
| 17:52.26 | ma3x | \amethyst: yeah, well the headline kinda makes too much attention |
| 17:52.35 | bzed | !tell omg0 about sarge->etch |
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| 17:52.51 | omg0 | bzed: you are here as promised. Yes I am ready |
| 17:52.53 | eilker | !tell eilker about sources.list |
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| 17:53.05 | bzed | Midspeed: what do you want to have, gnome? kde? xface? |
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| 17:53.20 | lfs | I finally figured out how to get the installation disks with Knoppix |
| 17:53.22 | omg0 | no need to mess with the sound till after the upgrade right? |
| 17:53.25 | ktwilight | where does debian keep the runlevel stuff? i've removed a script in /etc/init.d/ and everything under /etc/rc*.d/ but it's still in sysv-rc-conf :/ |
| 17:53.30 | lfs | Only took two days. |
| 17:53.38 | Midspeed | kde |
| 17:53.43 | bzed | ktwilight: man update-rc.d |
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| 17:53.52 | ktwilight | thanks bzed |
| 17:54.00 | Midspeed | im on the shell and i cant seem to be able to edit sources.list to add that info |
| 17:54.05 | bzed | ktwilight: and ... what the hell is sysv-rc-conf ? |
| 17:54.07 | lfs | My computer is a bit noisier than I would like. |
| 17:54.10 | Midspeed | i tried using the VI text editor but it wont let me type nothing |
| 17:54.20 | lfs | I just bought a Lian Li P65 |
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| 17:54.32 | bzed | ktwilight: ah, I see. well, if you've remoded it form /etc/init.d it won;t start for sure |
| 17:54.33 | lfs | hit i |
| 17:54.35 | lfs | then type |
| 17:54.36 | amphi | Midspeed: use another editor ;) |
| 17:54.37 | lfs | away |
| 17:54.37 | ktwilight | sysv-rc-conf provides a terminal GUI for managing "/etc/rc{runlevel}.d/" |
| 17:54.45 | bzed | ma3x: what you really want to figure out is what you've installed |
| 17:54.49 | ktwilight | yea i know, it's supposed to be removed bzed |
| 17:54.49 | Midspeed | which other editors does debian have on the shell amphi? |
| 17:54.51 | eilker | Midspeed> nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:54.59 | lfs | USE vi |
| 17:55.02 | bzed | Midspeed: or learn to use vi |
| 17:55.06 | lfs | vi is godlike |
| 17:55.11 | Midspeed | thanks eiker |
| 17:55.16 | Midspeed | i had forgotten about nano |
| 17:55.22 | ma3x | bzed: and bootchart'll help me do it? |
| 17:55.29 | bzed | Midspeed: enter a to add text, add the text, press ESC and :wq to save it |
| 17:55.54 | eilker | Midspeed> u r welcome |
| 17:55.59 | bzed | ma3x: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S* will help you |
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| 17:56.33 | lfs | And if you learn the commands at the : prompt in vi you can really do some stuff. |
| 17:57.01 | bzed | :%s,lfs,++, |
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| 17:57.25 | Midspeed | bzed, i inputed the line you sent me for the sources.list but i get errors, when i apt-get update |
| 17:57.35 | Midspeed | it says that i should run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 17:57.55 | bzed | Midspeed: how does the line look that you've entered? |
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| 17:58.12 | ma3x | bzed: I got this partition mounted everytime, and I don't know what it is none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw) How can I find out what's using it? |
| 17:58.17 | Midspeed | apt-get update |
| 17:58.22 | bzed | Midspeed: ah and you probably want to use etch instead of sarge in the line, sorry |
| 17:58.25 | Midspeed | i think its a problem with my internet connect i will reset it |
| 17:58.31 | Midspeed | sarge |
| 17:58.38 | Midspeed | im using sarge |
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| 17:58.44 | bzed | ah |
| 17:58.55 | ma3x | im using sid |
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| 17:59.06 | bzed | ma3x: it's just for fuse, file system in unserspace |
| 17:59.17 | hark | Midspeed: run apt-setup |
| 17:59.32 | ma3x | bzed: in what userspace? remote? local? |
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| 17:59.54 | bzed | ma3x: as in not runnign in kernelspace |
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| 18:00.05 | Midspeed | ok im gonna try that now hark |
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| 18:00.12 | ma3x | bzed: ok dude |
| 18:00.28 | hark | something like ntfs-3g.. |
| 18:00.42 | ma3x | and why you suggest me /etc/rc2.d/S* ? Why not the files in rc4.d ? |
| 18:00.51 | roxy_ | what is the best channel for mc master ? |
| 18:00.51 | bzed | ma3x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Userspace |
| 18:01.08 | omg0 | bzed: Is the CDROM considered non-local |
| 18:01.10 | bzed | roxy_: #hip-hop-open ? |
| 18:01.14 | \amethyst | ma3x: runlevel 2 is the default in debian |
| 18:01.29 | roxy_ | bzed: :-) mc as midnight commander |
| 18:01.31 | bzed | omg0: remove the cdrom from your sources |
| 18:01.41 | ma3x | \amethyst: what about the others? why is runlevel 2 and what are the others for? |
| 18:01.49 | bzed | roxy_: I'd just not use it :P |
| 18:02.32 | Midspeed | hark, i get the error failed to acces the debian archive |
| 18:02.36 | ma3x | bzed: so I need this fuse thing? or should I deinstall fuse-utils? |
| 18:02.58 | roxy_ | where/how can I change colours of ncurse based app ? |
| 18:03.09 | Midspeed | hark, i also didnt have my cat5 cable connected to my system when i installed debian and it did not configure the internet or DHCP |
| 18:03.15 | Midspeed | how do i do that now, i think thats why im getting errors |
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| 18:04.18 | bzed | ma3x: you can deinstall it, but it won't speed your boot up |
| 18:04.32 | zenwryly | How can I find out if my chipset has hardware watchdog support? |
| 18:04.36 | bzed | ma3x: paste your /etc/rc2.d contents into a pastebin |
| 18:05.12 | bzed | zenwryly: do you have a server chipset? |
| 18:05.17 | \amethyst | ma3x: runlevels S is bootup, 1 is for multi-user-to-single-user transitions, 0 is halt, 6 is reboot |
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| 18:05.35 | \amethyst | ma3x: 2-5 are user-defined. You can use them for whatever you want |
| 18:05.39 | zenwryly | bzed: nope |
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| 18:05.49 | ma3x | bzed: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5812 |
| 18:05.56 | bzed | zenwryly: then chances are good that you don't have a watchdog |
| 18:06.10 | \amethyst | ma3x: some people have a separate runlevel for booting without xdm, or without network |
| 18:06.10 | topnotch | how can i get the whole gnome desktop environment and desktop applications? |
| 18:06.12 | topnotch | apt-get ? |
| 18:06.20 | topnotch | what comes next |
| 18:06.26 | \amethyst | topnotch: apt-get gnome-desktop-environment :) |
| 18:06.38 | bzed | ma3x: are you running a server? |
| 18:06.44 | zenwryly | bzed: I didn't think that the i810 was a server chipset? Is it just an exception to the general rule that desktop chipsets don't have a hardware watchdog? |
| 18:06.53 | \amethyst | topnotch: gnome-office might be useful too |
| 18:06.54 | ma3x | bzed: what server? |
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| 18:07.16 | bzed | ma3x: is your machine intended to be a server, or a desktop machine? |
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| 18:07.43 | ma3x | bzed: well I run X, and a little bit my mail server :p |
| 18:07.53 | ma3x | what a question was that |
| 18:07.58 | ma3x | is your machine intended to be a server, or a desktop machine? |
| 18:08.02 | ma3x | kinda direct |
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| 18:08.22 | ManuP | amphi, thanks for answer. |
| 18:08.35 | ma3x | how can I view how many hours to live has the hard disk? |
| 18:08.38 | bzed | ma3x: a pretty normal question |
| 18:08.45 | ma3x | I can't find it in smartctl -a /dev/hda |
| 18:08.56 | bzed | ma3x: a harddisk can't look into the future. |
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| 18:09.00 | wols | ma3x: does not exist |
| 18:09.01 | ma3x | bzed: well it can be both ... |
| 18:09.04 | wols | ma3x: does not exist |
| 18:09.11 | muh2000_ | does LDAP need DNS ? |
| 18:09.12 | bzed | ma3x: then say so. |
| 18:09.23 | Midspeed | hark, how do i setup my DHCP ? |
| 18:09.24 | ma3x | wols: so what's actually smartmontools for? |
| 18:09.31 | zenwryly | Does anyone know if any nforce chipsets have hardware watchdog? |
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| 18:09.40 | ma3x | I mean except all those technical details that I can't understand |
| 18:09.46 | wols | not for predicting the future. you need Mme Olga for that |
| 18:09.46 | ma3x | what useful can it display to me? |
| 18:09.52 | bzed | !tell zenwryly about hardware |
| 18:09.54 | ma3x | who's mme olga? |
| 18:09.56 | omg0 | bzed: ran the update and install. Got a few errors of things it couldn't find. Should I reboot now to see if the changes stick and maybe it come up with my sound card or is there more to run? |
| 18:10.00 | wols | it can give you hints and probabilities |
| 18:10.14 | bzed | omg0: you should run update and dist-upgrade |
| 18:10.22 | bzed | !mme olga |
| 18:10.27 | bzed | !olga |
| 18:10.29 | bzed | hmm |
| 18:10.41 | bzed | !tell zenwryly about hardware |
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| 18:11.12 | ma3x | bzed: so what's your suggestion from what you've seen at the pastebin |
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| 18:11.15 | zenwryly | bzed: thanks |
| 18:11.25 | omg0 | bzed: I did that. aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:11.41 | bzed | ma3x: you should link to it |
| 18:11.47 | bzed | omg0: what did it say? |
| 18:11.48 | ma3x | bzed: link what? |
| 18:11.53 | bzed | ma3x: the pastebin |
| 18:12.18 | zenwryly | bzed: you know the first two links there are dead |
| 18:12.22 | ma3x | bzed: I told you the link |
| 18:12.45 | markybob | damnit sfill takes forever on 80G :) |
| 18:13.13 | bzed | ma3x: ah that old one. |
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| 18:13.29 | topnotch | when i do an apt-get update i get the following error |
| 18:13.32 | bzed | ma3x: you start a lot of stufgf that will take time to start |
| 18:13.42 | bzed | ma3x: ok a few suggestions |
| 18:13.45 | topnotch | There is no public key available for the following key IDs B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 18:13.54 | markybob | topnotch, /topic |
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| 18:15.26 | bzed | zenwryly: no, didn;t know it |
| 18:15.27 | omg0 | Err ftp://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages - open (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:15.27 | omg0 | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:15.27 | omg0 | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:15.29 | omg0 | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.debian.org etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 18:15.38 | ma3x | what an idiot |
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| 18:15.45 | ma3x | markybob: what takes forever? |
| 18:15.49 | ma3x | data copying? |
| 18:15.55 | HuK0B | http://pastebin.ca/409436 how I can fix that? |
| 18:15.55 | Pupeno2 | Hello. |
| 18:16.09 | n3kl | Hi, I don't think I am using ssh-agent effectively. What is its purpose? |
| 18:16.15 | bzed | ma3x: you should be pretty quiet about beeing an idiot |
| 18:16.15 | Pupeno2 | Having the hard disk of a Debian installation, how can I see which packages were installed on it? |
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| 18:16.41 | zenwryly | bzed: I mean I found what I needed to know, I just thought someone might want to correct that |
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| 18:16.47 | bzed | ma3x: cd /etc/rc2.d _ i'll tell you some things to rename in a few minutes |
| 18:16.57 | markybob | ma3x, sfill. making sure free space is really wiped clean and nothing can be recovered. to get the hd ready for sale, etc. |
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| 18:17.08 | markybob | ma3x, part of the secure-delete package |
| 18:17.38 | bzed | ma3x: do you need mysql? |
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| 18:17.52 | lfs | Sell an old HDD? |
| 18:17.58 | cusco | markybob: is that using shred? |
| 18:18.01 | bzed | ma3x: if you'd be runnign fail2ban, mysql and apache in windows, it would take way longer than one minute to start |
| 18:18.05 | lfs | That must bring a fortune. |
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| 18:18.08 | markybob | cusco, no |
| 18:18.15 | omg0 | bzed: I pasted in the wrong window. I meant to edit it first. But those were the error |
| 18:18.27 | bzed | lfs: of if it's a good 7200rpm sca scsi disk, you can sell it quiet well |
| 18:18.42 | bzed | omg0: you want to paste into a pastebin, and do not edit it |
| 18:18.46 | ma3x | markybob: what you using? wipe? |
| 18:18.54 | bzed | omg0: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list please? |
| 18:18.56 | ma3x | bzed: yes I need mysql |
| 18:19.00 | bzed | !tell omg0 about paste |
| 18:19.02 | markybob | ma3x, not sure how many more times i can say sfill :) |
| 18:19.21 | ma3x | markybob: care to say what that is |
| 18:19.29 | ma3x | !sfill |
| 18:19.32 | bzed | ma3x: do you need bind? |
| 18:19.37 | ma3x | bzed: not right now |
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| 18:19.47 | bzed | ma3x: you don;t want to run bind anyway |
| 18:19.47 | markybob | ma3x, an application that wipes empty space....like i said. |
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| 18:20.25 | ma3x | markybob: ever tried 'wipe'? |
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| 18:20.33 | markybob | ma3x, yes |
| 18:20.36 | ma3x | good? |
| 18:20.45 | markybob | yes |
| 18:20.51 | bzed | ma3x: you could mv S99kdm S70kdm |
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| 18:21.21 | bzed | ma3x: will give you a bit time. and mv the mysql stuff behind that |
| 18:22.21 | bzed | ma3x: like S71mysql ... and so on |
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| 18:22.21 | bzed | ma3x: then it'll start in the backgroudn and you can logon kde |
| 18:22.22 | ma3x | bzed: what's the number for? second? |
| 18:22.22 | blenna_unix | can someone help me w/ the sudoers file? | i want a user to be able to use sudo with all the commands w/ password. however, i want to set nopasswd flag on a script which has sudo in it |
| 18:22.54 | ma3x | markybob: what advantages has sfill compared to wipe? |
| 18:22.56 | blenna_unix | so when the user executes the script which has sudo in it, they won't need a pasword |
| 18:23.22 | bzed | ma3x: no, the order |
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| 18:23.30 | bzed | ma3x: and you want to purge bind |
| 18:23.33 | markybob | ma3x, sfill is for empty space. wipe is for deleting an existing file. |
| 18:23.44 | HuK0B | http://pastebin.ca/409441 I've got dep problem with etch |
| 18:24.11 | bzed | ma3x: spend 2 years and learn how linux works, then you can think about using bind, not before |
| 18:24.12 | ma3x | bzed: but if it's the order then why isn't it 1,2,3,4.... but there is 20 a lot of times? |
| 18:24.18 | bzed | ma3x: it'll go after the name then |
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| 18:24.26 | ma3x | markybob: not only, it can wipe free space too |
| 18:24.26 | \amethyst | blenna_unix: You could do that if you make the thing that gets sudo'ed into a shell script, and give the user access to that program |
| 18:25.01 | \amethyst | blenna_unix: I don't think there's a way to say "only when called from this program" |
| 18:25.35 | ma3x | bzed: I didn't get it exactly - S99kdm ( what does the S99 mean )? what order? |
| 18:25.36 | markybob | ma3x, i'm not talking about wiping an entire partition, such as wipe /dev/hdb1 ...i'm talking about actively mounted ...nevermind. i dont have time for this. i was just stating that 80G of random data takes forever |
| 18:25.49 | blenna_unix | \amethyst: the script has multiple instances of sudo in it. | can i remove those and just sudo the whole thing? |
| 18:26.00 | wols | blenna_unix: why not make the script suid root? |
| 18:26.04 | \amethyst | blenna_unix: as long as it's okay for the other stuff to run as root too |
| 18:26.12 | ma3x | markybob: you wiping it how many times? |
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| 18:26.20 | \amethyst | wols: suid root doesn't work on scripts, does it? |
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| 18:26.31 | wols | hmmm. could be |
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| 18:27.07 | omg0 | bzed: here is the sources.list: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5813 |
| 18:27.13 | markybob | ma3x, default. 1 pass with 0xff, 5 random with urandom, 27 with special values and another 5 random |
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| 18:28.21 | blenna_unix | \amethyst: how do i specify in sudoers to allow x user to use all commands but have a nopasswd flag on these scripts |
| 18:28.22 | magyar | how can i see which application is using port 25? "postfix start" fatal: port is in use |
| 18:29.03 | rahul | magyar: postfix is probably using it |
| 18:29.14 | bzed | omg0: http://pastebin.ca/409447 << use this one :) that's my own one ;) |
| 18:29.22 | roxy_ | are mc,irrsi,emacs inside console ncurses based ? if yes, where can I change default colour for ncurses based app ? |
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| 18:30.09 | bzed | roxy_: there's no default ncurses colour |
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| 18:31.00 | amphi | magyar: netstat -plunt | grep 25 |
| 18:31.01 | magyar | rahul: no, i stoped it |
| 18:31.59 | roxy_ | bzed: (it probably explains why I can't find the answer on google:-)they all use some ugly blue backgroune, where does it comes from ? and where can I change it ? |
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| 18:32.56 | \amethyst | roxy_: maybe your terminal emulator's settings |
| 18:33.22 | earthian | is it possible to become a packager for software in debian? |
| 18:33.22 | \amethyst | How blue? |
| 18:33.30 | earthian | and if yes, how. |
| 18:33.37 | ma3x | bzed: S99 to S77 will speed it up for 12 secs? |
| 18:33.47 | ma3x | bzed: 22 I mean |
| 18:33.50 | markybob | earthian, you could read the manual on debian.org for one :) |
| 18:33.54 | \amethyst | earthian: make a package. If you want to get it into Debian, get a developer to sponsor you |
| 18:33.57 | earthian | do we have one for wine? as i see official wine version is 0.9.33 while debian has 0.9.25 |
| 18:33.59 | \amethyst | earthian: You should read policy |
| 18:34.26 | markybob | earthian, yes, there is one for wine. and sid has 0.9.31 |
| 18:34.49 | earthian | oh.. so sid is better.. |
| 18:34.49 | earthian | :) |
| 18:35.19 | roxy_ | \amethyst: would that be in /etc/terminfo/ I got nothing in it and man terminfo is for C genius. |
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| 18:35.30 | krazykit | earthian, well, not better, just closer to upstream and often, uh, unstable |
| 18:35.35 | bzed | ma3x: NO NO NO. |
| 18:35.41 | bzed | ma3x: why do you NOT listen |
| 18:35.47 | ma3x | bzed: I do, explain me |
| 18:35.53 | \amethyst | earthian: http://www.debian.org/devel/ Read all the stuff there :) |
| 18:36.04 | magyar | amphi: i did a kernel update to 2.6.18-4 from 2.6.18-3, and it looks like my sk98lin is no longer available, therefore the interface is not comming up |
| 18:36.14 | bzed | ma3x: I did. scroll up |
| 18:36.16 | markybob | ma3x, actually, you dont. i had to tell you three times 'sfill' |
| 18:36.17 | \amethyst | earthian: maybe not *all*, but lots |
| 18:36.24 | \amethyst | roxy_: Is this at the console? |
| 18:36.35 | \amethyst | roxy_: or in an terminal window in X? |
| 18:36.41 | ma3x | markybob: I thought that's some kind of expression like stfu |
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| 18:37.23 | ma3x | bzed: you said it'll go after the name then |
| 18:37.28 | ma3x | what do you mean by that? |
| 18:37.36 | ma3x | I asked about the S$number |
| 18:37.51 | \amethyst | ma3x: the number determines the order |
| 18:37.59 | \amethyst | ma3x: the scripts are started in numeric order |
| 18:38.01 | bzed | ma3x: yes, it'll start with S01a and end with S99z |
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| 18:38.19 | \amethyst | ma3x: moving gdm earlier will give you a login while the following stuff is still starting up |
| 18:38.19 | earthian | thanks all. |
| 18:38.55 | wols | \amethyst: not with S99rmnologin not executed |
| 18:39.08 | ma3x | ok, but in rc2.d there is S10, S11 S15 S19 ... where are S12, 13 14 ... ? |
| 18:39.21 | bzed | wols: na, there's usually no /nologin, except you've created it |
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| 18:39.30 | magyar | can anyone help with this issue? http://pastebin.ca/409457 debian-etch 2.6.18-4 |
| 18:39.58 | \amethyst | wols: if you don't move it too early, they'll be finished before you press enter :) |
| 18:40.05 | ma3x | bzed: S20inetd is red highlighted should I remove it? |
| 18:40.22 | wols | bzed: check again |
| 18:40.24 | wols | there is |
| 18:40.39 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.58 | bzed | ma3x: read http://wiki.debianhelp.org/pmwiki.php/DebianHelpPages/DebianInitScripts |
| 18:41.26 | \amethyst | bzed: bootmisc.sh creates one |
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| 18:41.31 | Uriko04 | !uptime |
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| 18:41.36 | \amethyst | haha |
| 18:41.51 | bzed | wols: ok /etc/nologin. but again, that file will usually not exist, except you've created it or set DELAYLOGIN=yes |
| 18:41.57 | \amethyst | the comments in init.d/rmnologin still say "/etc/nologin" |
| 18:42.08 | \amethyst | bzed: It uses /var/lib/initscripts/nologin now |
| 18:42.10 | wols | bzed: I did neither |
| 18:42.16 | wols | and it |
| 18:42.28 | wols | it's created by all debian installs by default |
| 18:42.31 | wols | and used too |
| 18:42.33 | \amethyst | bzed: at least on my sid system that gets created by rcS.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 18:43.36 | bzed | grep -i delay * |
| 18:43.36 | bzed | rcS:DELAYLOGIN=no |
| 18:43.42 | bzed | and I didn;t change that |
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| 18:43.49 | bzed | /etc/default/rcS |
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| 18:43.54 | HD|Krank | hi |
| 18:44.10 | HD|Krank | does anyone have a calculator that can solve logarithms with a basis which is not 10? |
| 18:44.13 | bzed | at least I can't remember that I did |
| 18:44.15 | ma3x | bzed: how do I stop S20lpd? what do I put in the script? |
| 18:44.26 | wols | bzed: I didn'tchange anything either and the nologin was there since at least woody. always |
| 18:44.27 | bzed | ma3x: do you want to print anything? |
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| 18:44.39 | wols | and its here with a totally new etch install too |
| 18:44.43 | \amethyst | bzed: hm, it's set to yes here, and I didn't change it either :) |
| 18:44.47 | wols | and neither did I change it here |
| 18:44.51 | bzed | wols: then I was drunken when I disabled it :\ |
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| 18:44.59 | bzed | or just forgot it |
| 18:45.03 | \amethyst | possibly depends on your upgrade path |
| 18:45.18 | \amethyst | depending on how long ago it got introduced |
| 18:45.27 | ma3x | bzed: no, I don't have a printer |
| 18:45.29 | bzed | ma3x: id you read the link i gave you? as in READ. not stop reading after the first line? |
| 18:45.46 | bzed | ma3x: then you could just remove the package |
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| 18:46.10 | bzed | ma3x: remove xprint, too |
| 18:46.42 | ma3x | bzed: I don't want to remove the package, maybe some day I'll connect a printer |
| 18:46.54 | ma3x | bzed: can I just rename the script or what hsould I do/ |
| 18:47.41 | bzed | ma3x: man update-rc.d |
| 18:48.14 | bzed | ma3x: and I'm going to ignore you if you're not reading the article I gave you |
| 18:48.24 | bzed | there's everythign explained in |
| 18:48.35 | ma3x | bzed: it's too long and too heavy, I get headaches |
| 18:49.05 | bzed | I have fucking better things to do than to waste my time with people who are too damn lazy to learn something on their own. welcoem to my ignore list |
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| 18:49.23 | zim2 | Hey, i've just setup my bcm4306 wireless with ndiswrapper. And everything is loading fine. But when i goto set my essid (in which it doesn't pop out any errors), the essid doesn't stick, and it stays in "off/any" mode. Any ideas? I've tried 2 different drivers. |
| 18:49.29 | wols | bzed: you should know about ma3x by now |
| 18:49.49 | markybob | zim2, ifconfig wlan0 up first |
| 18:50.07 | rahul | HD|Krank: you never need to have different bases for a log function, just convert |
| 18:50.24 | \amethyst | rahul: heh |
| 18:50.27 | zim2 | markybob: i had tried that already, and it didn't work :-/ |
| 18:50.28 | ma3x | wols: come on man, do you know how hard it is reading not in your own language |
| 18:50.30 | rahul | hrh |
| 18:50.31 | \amethyst | rahul: channel? |
| 18:50.34 | bzed | wols: I'm ofdten working with disabled children or children in general, I like to help and try to ignore a lot of spleens |
| 18:50.46 | rahul | \amethyst: tunnel? |
| 18:51.11 | ma3x | wols: try to read something in spanish 2 pages (man update-rc.d) and read 2 days just because I wouldn't tell you 'type update-rc.d script remove' |
| 18:51.14 | \amethyst | rahul: aha, I missed the message you were replying to because it had scrolled |
| 18:51.15 | rahul | \amethyst: he asked in here. guess he's looking for a calculator app |
| 18:51.31 | rahul | silly lambdathyst |
| 18:51.44 | \amethyst | I have a script that wraps perl in a readline, that's a pretty good calculator |
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| 18:51.54 | wols | ma3x: why spanish? |
| 18:52.06 | rahul | I use clisp as my calculator :) |
| 18:52.17 | rahul | it actually implements mathematical operators |
| 18:52.23 | wols | why is this not available in french? |
| 18:52.46 | ma3x | wols: because you can't read/understand like in your own language |
| 18:53.23 | HD|Krank | rahul, i am not a math geek |
| 18:53.27 | ma3x | bzed: anyway I was wondering why exactly S99kdm -> S70kdm? why not -> S20kdm? |
| 18:53.32 | rahul | HD|Krank: so? this is high-school math |
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| 18:53.43 | rahul | HD|Krank: and it's not like it's hard... |
| 18:53.48 | \amethyst | HD|Krank: log_x(y) = log y / log x |
| 18:53.56 | HD|Krank | rahul, we introduced the log stuff last math lesson |
| 18:54.03 | HD|Krank | \amethyst, thx |
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| 18:54.51 | xingu | \amethyst: only if you have a perfect fp engine that doesn't create rounding error due to internal representation issues |
| 18:55.06 | rahul | xingu: uh, the point of fp is to create rounding errors that are controllable |
| 18:55.13 | xingu | hah. |
| 18:55.16 | rahul | so that doesn't make sense... |
| 18:55.19 | plasmid | i had a winxp drive named: stuff (NTFS). I want reiserfs on the drive and I did the following: disconnected drive from olde winxp box. Connected into debianbox. cfdisk /dev/hdd and deleted partitions and created a new one (this drive is 320 gigs so this mobo cannot ready anything beyond 137 gigs): partition size 120 gigs. Type: linux. then i did this: mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hdd1 and selected yes.. rebooted. and the drive mounts fine. HOWEV |
| 18:55.23 | xingu | fp as in floating point |
| 18:55.29 | rahul | xingu: yes |
| 18:55.41 | \amethyst | xingu: the error in that ought to be within twice the error log had in the first place |
| 18:56.55 | rahul | you shouldn't need to worry about FP error unless you're doing 100s of operations |
| 18:57.10 | \amethyst | or subtraction |
| 18:57.22 | rahul | \amethyst: only if you're doing 100s of them |
| 18:57.26 | xingu | or unless you're trying to store a value like 0.1 |
| 18:57.32 | \amethyst | rahul: one subtraction of very close numbers is bad |
| 18:57.35 | omg0 | bzed: after updating the sources.list here are the errors: http://pastebin.ca/409477 |
| 18:57.58 | \amethyst | xingu: We know that binary floating point can't represent every rational number |
| 18:58.09 | rahul | \amethyst: yeah, but you just assume them to be equal then :P |
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| 18:58.34 | rahul | \amethyst: usually you get to that point by comparing an aggregate to a target or some such, anyway |
| 18:58.36 | \amethyst | I hated numerical |
| 18:58.52 | bzed | omg0: that's weird. can you try apt-get clean; apt-get update please? |
| 18:58.56 | rahul | although, you could be doing hill-climbing kind of stuff |
| 18:59.14 | \amethyst | I learned a lot, but I just don't like analysis |
| 18:59.17 | xingu | \amethyst: anyway, the point stands, as soon as you talk representation, you're no longer talking strict equivalency |
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| 19:00.11 | rahul | then again, that involves 100s of iterations before you get close to the optimum, and it doesn't matter once you've gotten to the point where your error is pushing the limits of FP accuracy anyway |
| 19:00.32 | rahul | because the error of your result is within the error introduced by the computation |
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| 19:00.38 | rahul | s/within/near/ |
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| 19:03.27 | ugly | rahul: luhar |
| 19:03.27 | magyar | is there a way to use "module-assistant" to install a module that is not in the list? |
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| 19:03.41 | rahul | ylgu |
| 19:03.54 | rahul | magyar: how did you get a module that's not on the list? |
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| 19:04.04 | magyar | from marvell.com |
| 19:04.08 | magyar | rahul: |
| 19:04.22 | rahul | m-a won't know what to do with it, then |
| 19:04.32 | magyar | bahh |
| 19:04.34 | rahul | it won't have the files needed to tell m-a how to build it |
| 19:04.50 | rahul | why is the module not part of the kernel? |
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| 19:04.57 | magyar | why did the debian team remove the sk98lin module |
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| 19:05.14 | magyar | i am asking myself that same question |
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| 19:05.21 | perlmonkey | how do you make udev created the device if you're reloading a module, without rebooting? |
| 19:05.33 | perlmonkey | hi streuner, guten tag |
| 19:05.48 | rahul | magyar: it's in the stock kernel source... |
| 19:05.53 | itchi | Hi, how can i get my SD (SanDisk) memory card working? |
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| 19:05.59 | streuner | hi |
| 19:06.13 | perlmonkey | hallo |
| 19:06.22 | wols | itchi: SD cards can't work, SECURE digital... |
| 19:06.31 | perlmonkey | hallo wols |
| 19:06.38 | itchi | wols: Are you serious? |
| 19:06.42 | amphi | itchi: secure from you, that is ;) |
| 19:06.52 | shingouz | wols: they do, at least mine does. kingston sd with a usb reader. |
| 19:06.59 | wols | yes. check the problems the zaurus people always had with their SD slot |
| 19:07.02 | potolo | Hi. SSH connection with -vvv (am having probs) seems to suggest it's offering the private key when prompted for the pubkey, instead of the public key which is linked as a keypair to it "debug1: Offering public key: /home/me/.ssh/id_dsa_kde". Is my reading of the debug line correct? |
| 19:07.09 | wols | they needed a special blob from sharp to make it work |
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| 19:07.13 | perlmonkey | i got compact flash working in Linux but not SD |
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| 19:07.24 | itchi | shit, my wife just wanted these pics :-s |
| 19:07.33 | magyar | rahul: which package contain the kernel-source? |
| 19:07.35 | perlmonkey | I used CF in PCMCIA adaptor in Linux laptop |
| 19:07.40 | perlmonkey | worked just like a hdd |
| 19:07.41 | itchi | I already took 45 mins to try to solve this troubles :-) |
| 19:07.44 | rahul | magyar: linux-source-* |
| 19:07.46 | shingouz | try a usb reader, modprobe usb-storage and mount as vfat |
| 19:07.49 | potolo | sorry, the correspondoing public key is of course $fullpathtohome/.ssh/id_dsa_kde.pub |
| 19:08.12 | \amethyst | potolo: your analysis sounds correct |
| 19:08.25 | wols | itchi: however MMC cards (SD cards without the DRM) work. and the cameras don't care if SD or MMC usually |
| 19:08.28 | perlmonkey | so whats the deal with udev then guys? how do we force it to make the device after a module modprobe? |
| 19:08.32 | rahul | magyar: I haven't yet figured out how to apply the debian bugfix patches to the source, tho |
| 19:08.35 | wols | at least mine doesn't |
| 19:08.38 | magyar | rahul: any clue wjy the maintainers didnt include the sk98lin module in the 2.6.18.4 build? |
| 19:08.38 | itchi | Wait |
| 19:08.39 | rahul | there's no documentaiton whatsoever |
| 19:08.47 | itchi | I already got this SD card working! |
| 19:08.49 | n3kl | Are there any known vulnerabilities of the apted version of ssh? |
| 19:08.50 | rahul | magyar: shrug... check bug reports, maybe |
| 19:08.59 | omg0 | bzed: still have some errors but looks much better than last. http://pastebin.ca/409485 |
| 19:09.03 | magyar | rahul: k, thanks |
| 19:09.05 | itchi | Just was it on my main computer, not on the laptop, where i am right now |
| 19:09.14 | perlmonkey | *sigh* so i gotta reboot |
| 19:09.23 | perlmonkey | so much for not needing to reboot in linux eh |
| 19:09.28 | potolo | \amethyst: don't suppose you know how to fix it; i.e. how to make the open ssh client pass the pubkey when asked for the ...pubkey? linking to the identify file with -i, requires pointing to the private key anyway (and pointing it to the public key just errors out) |
| 19:09.33 | rahul | n3kl: bugs.debian.org/ssh |
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| 19:10.02 | itchi | Or maybe was that with the USB cable, that i have transfer the data ... ?? |
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| 19:10.39 | Virtual | After installing 2.6.20.4 kernel when trying to boot into it I get a kernel panic that root partition is not at /dev/sda5 where it works fine on this kernel i'm using now, could it be that the drivers in the new kernel use the hard-disk in a diffrent way ? |
| 19:10.41 | simonrvn | :/ |
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| 19:10.53 | itchi | wols: Is that troulbe only know for the SD cards? I have other models too, not yet have any troubles with these |
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| 19:11.11 | wols | Virtual: no |
| 19:11.33 | wols | itchi: yes, as I said: SECURE digital. that's why at least sometimes you will have trouble |
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| 19:11.39 | Virtual | wols then what is the problem ? |
| 19:11.44 | wols | however SD cards and MMC cards look exactly the same |
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| 19:11.48 | itchi | sh*t |
| 19:11.54 | wols | Virtual: you fucked up |
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| 19:12.01 | itchi | No more SD cards then :-p |
| 19:12.04 | bzed | omg0: aah that stupid thing again. hmm... try this: apt-get install xorg |
| 19:12.28 | h3sp4wn | Virtual: are you using ata_piix it might have changed to hde (if you can use ahci) |
| 19:12.59 | \amethyst | potolo: if you strace it, are there other key files it tries before opening id_dsa_kde ? |
| 19:12.59 | bzed | omg0: probably you'll also have to remove the libgl1 package |
| 19:13.01 | wols | Virtual: what is your harddisk controller? |
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| 19:13.51 | Virtual | h3sp4wn: my hard disk is on sata but right now I think debian is using it as SCSI |
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| 19:14.08 | perlmonkey | ok udev is screwed |
| 19:14.15 | wols | Virtual: then it would be /dev/sdX (as it should) |
| 19:14.20 | wols | perlmonkey: amen |
| 19:14.24 | perlmonkey | heh |
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| 19:14.41 | Virtual | wols: yes, now it is /dev/sda |
| 19:14.43 | tonyrad | Hi everybody |
| 19:14.54 | wols | Virtual: did you use a 2.4 kernel before? |
| 19:15.15 | Virtual | wols: no, i upgraded from 2.6.18 to 2.6.20 |
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| 19:15.26 | itchi | wols: Know you about some magic patches to enable it? |
| 19:15.33 | wols | and it was hda with 2.6.18 |
| 19:15.37 | perlmonkey | gotta reboot cuz udev is too lazy. brb |
| 19:15.42 | potolo | \amethyst: nope, strace shows it goes straight to id_dsa_kde. I'll see if there's anything on BTS that sheds any light |
| 19:15.44 | rjalex | is there a way to get apt-get install also the RECCOMENDED packages ? |
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| 19:16.04 | Virtual | wols: no, right now i`m on the 2.6.18 because i can`t boot the other and its /dev/sda, I used the same config for the new kernel just changed something about the wlan |
| 19:16.04 | wols | itchi: no, sorry. and there are no patches but kernel tainting modules afaik (at least for the zaurus sd slot there was) |
| 19:16.25 | wols | Virtual: and what is the error with the other kernel? |
| 19:16.27 | h3sp4wn | Virtual: something changed with regards to one driver (ata_piix - it used to still use sda - but when its in ide mode for 2.6.19 + it changes to hde or so) |
| 19:16.40 | tonyrad | I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions on good p2p to use.. |
| 19:17.04 | wols | Virtual: check if 2.6.20 will recognize your disks when booting. it will show |
| 19:17.20 | itchi | wtf have these to secure a memory card? |
| 19:17.33 | wols | itchi: mp3 players... |
| 19:17.47 | Virtual | wols: is there a way to log the boot or however so i can see because normally it goes by to fast to see |
| 19:17.50 | wols | now guess who came up with this great idea |
| 19:17.50 | itchi | wols: Bah, i not see that as a reason :-s |
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| 19:18.02 | Virtual | wols: the error is a panic and says that root= is not at /dev/sda5 |
| 19:18.10 | rvsjoen | what advantages does reiserfs have over ext3 (if any) = |
| 19:18.21 | enouf | Virtual: hit scroll ock, then shift+pageup/down |
| 19:18.36 | Virtual | h3sp4wn: you think it might be hde now ? are there any other possibilitys ? |
| 19:18.42 | itchi | wols: I dunno about the 'real' specs of SD card, to be honnest, i just have it cause the digicam use only that :-s |
| 19:18.46 | Virtual | enouf: thank you, i will try that in a moment |
| 19:18.48 | wols | rvsjoen: better for partitions with LOTS of small files |
| 19:18.56 | h3sp4wn | Virtual: If it is your bios is set wrong |
| 19:19.05 | itchi | :-p |
| 19:19.06 | enouf | :-p |
| 19:19.07 | wols | itchi: you sure it can't use MMC too? |
| 19:19.10 | itchi | hehe |
| 19:19.42 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 19:19.50 | itchi | wols: kug, the question should be, know you about MMC? A: eeuh, not much |
| 19:20.02 | h3sp4wn | Virtual: You could try using the uuid (use /sbin/vol_id /dev/sda5) and then put that into the grub line |
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| 19:20.51 | \amethyst | itchi: ah, but the channel doesn't like "do you know about...?" questions :) |
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| 19:21.00 | itchi | :-p |
| 19:21.10 | wols | itchi: an SD card is a MMC card with DRM added so RIAA thinks the music on there is "protected" |
| 19:21.17 | itchi | wols: That's the same size as the SD? |
| 19:21.20 | wols | which means vfirtually all SD card readers can use MMC just fine |
| 19:21.26 | Virtual | h3sp4wn: no such file /sbin/vol_id |
| 19:21.27 | wols | yes |
| 19:21.28 | itchi | wols: hhhm |
| 19:21.29 | itchi | ok |
| 19:21.49 | itchi | I'm watching on pics on google |
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| 19:22.04 | wols | itchi: look it up on wikipedia |
| 19:22.04 | h3sp4wn | Virtual: /lib/udev/vol_id |
| 19:22.05 | \amethyst | Virtual: look in /dev/disk/by-uuid for the link to your device |
| 19:22.16 | \amethyst | or that :) |
| 19:22.22 | itchi | At least i have a mmc/sd card reader on the laptop and the main computer |
| 19:22.45 | itchi | wols: Yup, gona watch. It's now the first time i got a SD card here, it's new for me :-) |
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| 19:22.58 | Virtual | h3sp4wn: ok, and i just enter the UUID instead of /dev/sda5 into grub ? |
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| 19:23.16 | enouf | in /dev/disk/by-id is more readable |
| 19:23.21 | wols | h3sp4wn: how is that supposed to help when his fstab will be wrong? |
| 19:23.47 | JordiGH | What can I use to do zomg teh l33t packet sniffing in this surely insecure wireless I'm using in Starbucks? |
| 19:23.48 | h3sp4wn | wols: simple enough to fix that once its booted |
| 19:23.52 | wols | and since he has sata, why use ata_piix anyways? |
| 19:23.56 | wols | ahci is perfectly fine |
| 19:24.01 | enouf | wel .. actually .. it depends i guess .. |
| 19:24.18 | h3sp4wn | wols: Yes but it requires the bios to be setup right |
| 19:24.20 | enouf | JordiGH: airsnort-ng ? |
| 19:24.28 | \amethyst | JordiGH: if you asked differently, it wouldn't be of dubious legality to tell you :) |
| 19:24.42 | wols | h3sp4wn: then he should fix that and his kernel than kludging around |
| 19:24.44 | rjalex | I see a lot of xserver-xorg-video-XXXX packages where a lot of these apparently support a bunch of video cards I do not own. I'd like to remove them and only keep the nv package. the package manager wants to remove an ALL package ... is it only a meta package ? |
| 19:24.59 | JordiGH | airsnort, eh? |
| 19:25.32 | JordiGH | It's not illegal if they're using insecure connections. |
| 19:25.36 | JordiGH | Or is it? |
| 19:25.43 | rahul | it is illegal |
| 19:25.47 | enouf | JordiGH: think again |
| 19:25.47 | \amethyst | to sniff other people's data? yes |
| 19:25.48 | wols | it is |
| 19:25.53 | rahul | it's just not a violation of FCC regulations, as well |
| 19:26.13 | enouf | JordiGH: just because someone leaves their house doors unlocked .. is it legal to walk in and help yourself? |
| 19:26.14 | \amethyst | just like you can't read their mail, even if they leave it sitting in the mailbox all day |
| 19:26.27 | rjalex | JordiGH in which country do you want to do that ? |
| 19:26.48 | wols | JordiGH: then you might be in luck |
| 19:26.55 | rjalex | well your national law might be different |
| 19:26.59 | wols | law might have not caught up with the tech there yet |
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| 19:27.15 | JordiGH | At any rate, I can't get airsnort to work "out of the box". |
| 19:27.34 | wols | JordiGH: surfing on starbucks bandwith is usually considered "theft of service" btw |
| 19:27.58 | itchi | Kug, how can i convert a sd card to mmc? :-) |
| 19:28.03 | wols | rjalex needs to buy harddisks bigger than 170MB |
| 19:28.11 | JordiGH | No, I'm sitting in Starbucks and I paid for a chai. |
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| 19:28.21 | wols | itchi: with a electron microscope perhaps |
| 19:28.47 | wols | itchi: it's hardware that makes it a SD card |
| 19:28.52 | wols | good luck ripping that out |
| 19:29.23 | itchi | bah, i gona ask dpkg the magic trick :-p |
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| 19:29.51 | wols | itchi: btw, usually it |
| 19:29.53 | Pupeno2 | Is asterisk-addons packaged? |
| 19:29.56 | \amethyst | itchi: Isn't it great when your hardware doesn't trust you? :) |
| 19:30.03 | wols | it's not the SD cards which are the culprit but the reader |
| 19:30.16 | r0ver | hello, i'd like to uninstall ldap server wich is the package ? (etch) because it seems ldap-server is a virtual one |
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| 19:30.18 | enouf | itchi: i have no idea if this applies (but the name certainly does) see; /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.18/html/gadget/index.html |
| 19:30.20 | wols | the sd card will be fine as long as the DRM is not used which it rarely is |
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| 19:31.03 | rjalex | can I safely purge all of the xserver-xorg-video packages of cards other than mine ? |
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| 19:31.07 | itchi | enouf: Thanks mate :-) |
| 19:31.20 | enouf | itchi: seems mostly USB related though ;-( |
| 19:31.24 | \amethyst | err |
| 19:31.35 | \amethyst | enouf: that's for USB devices that run Linux |
| 19:31.43 | hark | rjalex: well, of course.. |
| 19:31.47 | \amethyst | enouf: that's what the gadgets interface is :) |
| 19:31.48 | r0ver | (in fact what i'd like to do is run a dpkg-reconfigure ldap-server or somethingf similar because i lost the admin password) |
| 19:31.52 | rjalex | thank you hark |
| 19:32.02 | enouf | \amethyst: to me .. sd, mmc, .. they''re all "gadgets" ;-) |
| 19:32.08 | wols | r0ver: find /etc -name *ldap* |
| 19:32.18 | enouf | go go gidget ; gadget |
| 19:32.39 | earthian | gudget |
| 19:32.41 | earthian | :P |
| 19:33.14 | r0ver | wols: it gives /etc/ldap , is the admin password on the .conf files ? |
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| 19:33.38 | r3tex | any special trick to get "startpar" to boot correctly? |
| 19:33.42 | r3tex | doesn't work for me =/ |
| 19:34.17 | n3kl | where can I change the listening address of snort? |
| 19:34.30 | defcon8 | where are all the downloaded deb files kept? |
| 19:34.49 | itchi | At least, i can use the USB cable to transfer the data from the digicam to the computer |
| 19:35.12 | \amethyst | dpkg: gadget is an API for implementing USB devices that run Linux, see http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/ |
| 19:35.13 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
| 19:35.37 | JordiGH | defcon8: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:35.54 | defcon8 | thanks |
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| 19:36.05 | JordiGH | np. |
| 19:36.14 | holdenSK | defcon8: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 19:36.23 | defcon8 | is it safe to delete them? |
| 19:36.40 | JordiGH | defcon8: Sure. "apt-get clean" deletes them. |
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| 19:36.54 | defcon8 | thanks |
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| 19:37.33 | ManuP | i got tunnel interface tun0. how do i go in internet with this device (it is an vpn-connection) |
| 19:37.33 | ManuP | ? |
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| 19:37.38 | \amethyst | n3kl: you can use -i eth0 etc |
| 19:37.56 | \amethyst | n3kl: I don't know if there's a simple way to tell it by IP address |
| 19:38.31 | \amethyst | n3kl: you can, of course, use filters to see only stuff to/from a particular IP |
| 19:38.35 | n3kl | \amethyst: I am looking for where the init.d/snort startup script gets the eth0 as the address |
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| 19:39.34 | n3kl | \amethyst: I am trying to get barnyard to work, but I want snort listening on all interfaces and barnyard to log for all interfaces |
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| 19:40.36 | biopyte | hi. OT: i need to analyze the parameters sent by a form from a certain web page. do you know any tools for this? sorry for being off topic. |
| 19:40.57 | \amethyst | n3kl: you could try adding -i any to the PARAMS in /etc/default/snort |
| 19:41.07 | JordiGH | biopyte: Google for POST, cgi, html. |
| 19:41.19 | biopyte | so i want to know what that page sends after 'submit' |
| 19:41.21 | JordiGH | biopyte: GET might also be relevant. |
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| 19:41.49 | JordiGH | biopyte: Your question is vague, but look around for things that explain POST and GET operations. And you're being offtopic, yes. :-) |
| 19:41.50 | biopyte | JordiGH: ok, i try, maybe some more specific search terms |
| 19:41.59 | biopyte | ? |
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| 19:42.58 | \amethyst | n3kl: aha, looking at the init script, it looks like you should set DEBIAN_SNORT_INTERFACE="eth0 eth1" or DEBIAN_SNORT_INTERFACE="any" in /etc/default/snort |
| 19:43.08 | n3kl | \amethyst: as I suspected, if I append -i any to the opts, i get ... |
| 19:43.24 | n3kl | \amethyst: ah |
| 19:43.58 | \amethyst | n3kl: it was already supplying -i :) |
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| 19:44.52 | \amethyst | n3kl: "any" will start one copy of snort listening on all interfaces, "eth0 eth1" will start a separate copy for each interface |
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| 19:45.13 | omg0 | bzed: Still getting the dependency errors. It's saying that they need sarge basically |
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| 19:46.01 | \amethyst | n3kl: you can use /etc/snort/snort.eth1.conf etc to override the default configuration for a particular instance, if you do multiples |
| 19:46.26 | bzed | omg0: dpkg -P libgl1 << do that and paste the output if it fails please |
| 19:46.38 | \amethyst | n3kl: you should read the init script, it's relatively clear |
| 19:46.44 | n3kl | \amethyst: neat, however I don't think that the box I am runing this on is fast enough to keep up with multiple instances |
| 19:46.45 | \amethyst | if you know sh |
| 19:46.54 | bzed | n3kl: dpkg-reconfigure snort will help you probably |
| 19:47.02 | magyar | where can i download "linux-image-2.6.18-3**" it's not in the main pool |
| 19:47.02 | magyar | ? |
| 19:47.10 | n3kl | bzed: but the reconfiguration will not allow you to choose any for interface and network |
| 19:47.18 | bzed | n3kl: it does |
| 19:47.21 | bzed | at least on etch |
| 19:47.28 | \amethyst | magyar: you need an old version? |
| 19:47.28 | n3kl | \amethyst: as we speak... =] |
| 19:47.29 | bzed | and the last time I've tries it |
| 19:47.39 | magyar | \amethyst: yes |
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| 19:47.49 | h3sp4wn | magyar: snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:47.53 | bzed | magyar: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` |
| 19:48.09 | bzed | magyar: the new one does not work? |
| 19:48.17 | bzed | magyar: is the bug reported in the BTS? |
| 19:48.18 | magyar | h3sp4wn: thanks, snapshot....bahhh |
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| 19:48.31 | magyar | bzed: i just filed one |
| 19:48.57 | magyar | h3sp4wn: i kept thinking backport :( |
| 19:49.12 | omg0 | # dpkg -P libgl1 dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove libgl1 which isn't installed. |
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| 19:49.25 | soothsay | How can I use an ISO image of a CD install as a source for packages? |
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| 19:49.51 | bzed | omg0: paste the output of aptitude dist-upgrade in a pastebin please |
| 19:50.08 | soothsay | Using deb file:// complains of missing Packages.gz |
| 19:50.09 | plutonas | today the time changed, but my debian system still has the old one, how can i change winter to summer time? |
| 19:51.16 | \amethyst | plutonas: what does date say (including the timezone)? |
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| 19:51.38 | ma3x | with what application can I view svgz? |
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| 19:52.07 | plutonas | \amethyst: Sun Mar 25 21:52:45 EEST 2007 |
| 19:52.13 | enouf | plutonas: supposedly an update and upgrade will do the trick .. but not sure exactly which only pkgs to achieve the same |
| 19:52.22 | plutonas | enouf: i did |
| 19:52.26 | mil-dude | hey, how can I fix a b0rken Etch install, the one with the bad GPG keys? I mean, aside from reinstalling from scratch? |
| 19:52.38 | enouf | plutonas: uname -r says? |
| 19:52.41 | plutonas | enouf: but that didn't change the time of course |
| 19:52.50 | plutonas | 2.6.18 |
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| 19:52.55 | enouf | plutonas: erboot? .. or restart you clocks ;-) |
| 19:52.55 | plutonas | but it's a custom one |
| 19:53.05 | ma3x | !svgz |
| 19:53.06 | plutonas | how do i restart the clocks? |
| 19:53.22 | enouf | plutonas: man tzconfig , tzdata, tzset |
| 19:53.46 | \amethyst | plutonas: the time zone did get changed, but something else happened |
| 19:53.52 | \amethyst | plutonas: Did you reboot? |
| 19:54.00 | plutonas | no, i didn't reboot |
| 19:54.32 | enouf | file says gzip compressed data |
| 19:55.02 | plutonas | should i reboot in order for the time to change? |
| 19:55.03 | \amethyst | plutonas: you can use ntpdate to set the time to the correct setting |
| 19:55.15 | magyar | h3sp4wn: snapshot doesn't have it |
| 19:55.40 | plutonas | \amethyst: no souch command |
| 19:55.40 | wckd | plutonas: ntpdate ntp.uio.no |
| 19:55.47 | omg0 | bzed: apt dist-upg.. output http://pastebin.ca/409550 |
| 19:56.06 | plutonas | anyway, i will reboot thanks |
| 19:56.16 | wols | plutonas: install it then? |
| 19:56.18 | \amethyst | plutonas: no, but if you have hardware clock set to localtime instead of UTC, and your computer wasn't up when the time change occurred, Linux will miss it |
| 19:56.20 | wols | ntpdate is always good to have |
| 19:56.24 | enouf | a browser .. konq has a svgz plugin that does it .. so can moz based |
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| 19:57.24 | \amethyst | plutonas: if you install the ntpdate package it will sync your time over the network when you boot |
| 19:57.40 | enouf | interesting .. a zcat /filename.svgz | less yields some very nice info ;-) |
| 19:57.46 | plutonas | ok set now |
| 19:57.51 | \amethyst | plutonas: if you install ntp, you can keep it continuously synced to within milliseconds |
| 19:57.59 | plutonas | i see |
| 19:58.06 | \amethyst | plutonas: apt-get install ntpdate |
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| 19:58.11 | plutonas | i installed it and run ntpdate ntp.uio.no |
| 19:58.16 | plutonas | and now i have the correct time |
| 19:58.16 | bzed | omg0: try this and paste the output please: apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx libfam0c102 libglu1-mesa xlibmesa-gluxlibmesa-gl |
| 19:58.24 | plutonas | thanks everyone |
| 19:58.30 | bzed | omg0: btw, you don;t need to run update all the time |
| 19:58.43 | bzed | omg0: aptitude update once a day is enough usually |
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| 19:58.52 | ma3x | *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08678f68 *** |
| 19:58.54 | ma3x | Aborted |
| 19:58.56 | ma3x | what's that? |
| 19:58.58 | \amethyst | plutonas: if you do apt-get install ntp your clock will never fall out of sync as long as you are on the network |
| 19:59.02 | \amethyst | ma3x: bug in the program |
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| 19:59.05 | JordiGH | ma3x: Someone's code contains a severe bug. |
| 19:59.32 | JordiGH | ma3x: Someone tried to unallocate the same space of memory twice. It's approximately equivalent to a segfault. |
| 19:59.49 | jelly-home | Corruption in the malloc arena, gladiators on strike! |
| 19:59.59 | \amethyst | jelly-home: C|N>K |
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| 20:00.28 | yoshio | mil-dude: debian-archive-keyring is broken? |
| 20:00.35 | enouf | bzed: that person has had so manyu issues with whatever and java that it may be they installed one of the *buntu's or knoppix's, and is mixing/matching like a mutt (or was) |
| 20:00.38 | omg0 | bzed: I dpkg libgl1 and get this: The solution for libgl1 dependencies is underway, please mail the maintainers of packages with this dependency and ask them to fix their machines. Thank You. (the mgmt) |
| 20:00.47 | cameron45 | 1449 < omg0> # dpkg -P libgl1 dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove |
| 20:00.48 | cameron45 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:01.07 | mil-dude | yoshio: yes, there was an issue with the Etch ISOs a while back: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070210 |
| 20:01.12 | cameron45 | 1449 < omg0> # dpkg -P libgl1 dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove |
| 20:01.12 | cameron45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.20 | bzed | enouf: nah, I;ve fixed the java problem yesterday, was easy :P |
| 20:01.30 | bzed | omg0: try my apt-get line above please |
| 20:01.33 | cameron45 | gah, baby grabbed the mouse. sorry |
| 20:01.39 | jelly-home | \amethyst: sorry! :-D |
| 20:01.42 | ernstable | hi all. silly question. what's an easy way to tell in a script whether my OS is Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 20:01.54 | mil-dude | ernstable: uname -a |
| 20:01.59 | mil-dude | maybe |
| 20:02.00 | JordiGH | ernstable: If it's debian, /etc/debian_version should tell you. |
| 20:02.10 | JordiGH | mil-dude: Nah, uname won't give the particular distribution. |
| 20:02.14 | LightKnight | Question: if I have LOCAL in /etc/adjtime it should not touch the BIOS clock, is it right? |
| 20:02.15 | ernstable | JordiGH: my ubuntu install also claims to be debian :) |
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| 20:02.42 | JordiGH | ernstable: Does it now? Hm. Then grep /etc/apt/sources.list for the Ubuntu string. |
| 20:02.53 | JarJarBinks|uni | I'm using find, and need to strip the trailing suffix of matching files, and try to use :r to remeove the suffix, but it :r is just appended (of course). Example: find . -name \*.foo -exec somecmd {} {}:r.bar \; the second argument should have the suffix changed from foo to bar |
| 20:02.57 | JordiGH | That's kinda wrong. Ubuntu shouldn't be claiming to be Debian. :-/ |
| 20:03.03 | ernstable | JordiGH: that was pretty much the best I came up with too :/ |
| 20:03.04 | omg0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.20 | ernstable | maybe I should ask the ubuntu folks instead given that it's their mess :) |
| 20:03.29 | jelly-home | ernstable: /usr/bin/lsb_release (lsb-base package I think) |
| 20:03.32 | JordiGH | It is. /etc/ubuntu_version |
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| 20:04.24 | JordiGH | They should rename the debian_version file like that and quit pretending they're Debian. They're so not, and it confuses all the Ubuntites who've never used Debian. They think that Ubuntu is just like Debian. :-/ |
| 20:05.32 | ernstable | jelly-home: "No LSB modules are available" |
| 20:05.33 | enouf | cat /proc/version should tell if it a ubuntu (or non-debian) kernel though |
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| 20:05.39 | yoshio | mil-dude: my debian-archive-keyring is dated Feb 19, 2007 (etch), so maybe manually download the deb, and do deb -i packagename? |
| 20:05.41 | jelly-home | JordiGH: truth be told, I haven't seen a policy for debian-based distro by Debian itself concerning best practices |
| 20:05.59 | JordiGH | jelly-home: What do you mean? |
| 20:06.02 | ernstable | enouf: thanks, that's the best answer so far... :) |
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| 20:06.08 | enouf | ernstable: what's cat /etc/issue say? |
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| 20:06.18 | ernstable | ah. even better. |
| 20:06.34 | jelly-home | JordiGH: ... about differentiating -based distros from Debian itself, and related issues |
| 20:06.40 | ernstable | /etc/issue is perfect |
| 20:06.45 | ernstable | I think |
| 20:06.52 | Trewas | there's /etc/lsb-release in ubuntu which tells which release it is |
| 20:06.53 | enouf | ernstable: also drop to tty1 .. ctrl-alt-f1 ;-) |
| 20:07.07 | JordiGH | jelly-home: You mean you haven't seen any apt-based distro doing a good job of differentiating itself from Debian? |
| 20:07.09 | ernstable | enouf: I'm on it already as it happens |
| 20:07.42 | ernstable | because I'm about to hack my wm settings to be different depending on whether I'm running ubuntu or debian |
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| 20:08.02 | enouf | ernstable: try 2 and 3 , etc ;-) |
| 20:08.27 | jelly-home | JordiGH: no, I mean I don't know of a way (provided by Debian) to differentiate one from another |
| 20:08.35 | ernstable | Oh, I see what you mean. Yes, that should have reminded me to look in /etc/issue :) |
| 20:08.52 | ernstable | anyway that'll do great. thanks. |
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| 20:09.02 | JordiGH | jelly-home: /etc/debian_version. They could stick in whatever string they want in there. "Ubuntu Slutty Skunk" or whatever. |
| 20:09.34 | enouf | it's a shell game :-( |
| 20:10.33 | jelly-home | JordiGH: is there a written policy about that? |
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| 20:10.37 | enouf | once they figure out our remedies for thinning the herd, and catching them in lies (coming here for support) .. they'll match everway we have of differentiating .. ho hum |
| 20:10.41 | fsniper | Hello |
| 20:11.05 | wols | enouf: they know what we use for differentiating |
| 20:11.08 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I don't think so... If there's any policy, it's in the Debian Policy Manual. It might say something, but I'd have to grep it. |
| 20:11.19 | wols | and of course sometimes sneaky users lie to us when we ask them about it |
| 20:11.33 | enouf | wols: i know all too well.. |
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| 20:11.51 | ma3x | is there one time zone for all the registrars? or every registrar has its own? |
| 20:11.59 | wols | and since debian has the DFSG to adhere to we can't claim silly things like copyright to force them not to use the same /etc/debian_version |
| 20:12.03 | JordiGH | What's a registrar? |
| 20:12.14 | wols | JordiGH: somene who runs a registry for a .tld |
| 20:12.25 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 20:12.28 | JordiGH | !wtf tld |
| 20:12.28 | jelly-home | JordiGH: nah, /usr/share/doc/debian-policy => zgrep -i debian_version *.txt.gz shows nothing |
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| 20:12.29 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 20:12.30 | ernstable | wols: you'd have thought it would be in their interest not to be confused with us too |
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| 20:12.50 | enouf | wols: can we create a new file/or some type of trademark? .. just for diff purposes only ? |
| 20:12.53 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I guess there's no policy, then... |
| 20:13.03 | enouf | <--silly me |
| 20:13.38 | JordiGH | Heh. "I'm sorry, Ubuntu, but 'Debian' is our trademark. Please change your filename extensions to .ubu". |
| 20:13.45 | wols | enouf: no we cannot. DFSG is explicit about such things. if we did, there wouldn't be an iceweasel |
| 20:13.53 | jelly-home | JordiGH: which would explain why a debian-based distro doesn't touch that file |
| 20:14.08 | ma3x | hey |
| 20:14.35 | ma3x | I didn't know this: if a domain name expiration date is 'today' for example. Then the registrar will hold it for 40, then 30, then 5 days? |
| 20:14.41 | jelly-home | JordiGH: that would be silly, even RPM files are .rpm everywhere |
| 20:14.41 | ma3x | how the fsck is that possible? |
| 20:14.47 | ma3x | if it says expiration date 25, it's today |
| 20:14.51 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Of course it would be silly. :-) |
| 20:14.53 | ma3x | and tomorrow it should be available to register again |
| 20:15.00 | jelly-home | ma3x: it depends on the registrar's own policies |
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| 20:15.05 | omg0 | bzed: the output was: http://pastebin.ca/409571 |
| 20:15.06 | cusco | ma3x: that depends on teh registrar, Im sure they have some sort of documentation on theyr website |
| 20:15.17 | cusco | ma3x: like for instance nominet |
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| 20:15.25 | ma3x | what about nominet? |
| 20:15.31 | ManuP | i made an vpn-connection with vpnc. i now have device tun0. how do i surf through this device? |
| 20:15.32 | ma3x | do you know about directnic? |
| 20:15.38 | ma3x | or netsol or register.com? |
| 20:15.53 | cusco | nominet holds the domain for 30 (not sure) more days to be able to keep the domain |
| 20:16.04 | wols | ManuP: make it the default gateway. man route |
| 20:16.05 | jelly-home | ManuP: did vpnc set up some routes thru that device? |
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| 20:16.19 | Wolfpaws | is there a reason why wouldn't /etc/init.d/networking ignore interfaces file? |
| 20:16.19 | ma3x | I was just told This is the case with all registrars, unless the customer said that they just don't want the name, then it will be about another 75 days. |
| 20:16.27 | ManuP | jelly-home, i dont know. how do i check this? |
| 20:16.34 | wols | ManuP: man route |
| 20:16.36 | n3kl | I don't understand the purpose of acidbase. Does anyone have a tutorial or something? |
| 20:16.43 | ManuP | wols, yeah, will read it |
| 20:17.04 | lfs | So if I use the etch installer is should see my internet device. |
| 20:17.04 | jelly-home | ManuP: route -n|grep tun0 would output something |
| 20:17.17 | lfs | June 2006 Knoppix can. |
| 20:17.23 | lfs | ???? |
| 20:17.41 | ManuP | jelly-home, it doesnt output anything |
| 20:17.41 | wols | lfs: it should |
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| 20:17.47 | wols | or kmuto |
| 20:17.48 | JordiGH | lfs: It should. Is there a problem? |
| 20:17.53 | lfs | not yet |
| 20:18.08 | jelly-home | ManuP: then, you should do what wols said |
| 20:18.09 | lfs | will know shortly |
| 20:18.15 | JordiGH | lfs: Give it a try. Wireless cards often have problems with non-free drivers, but wireful cards should work fine. |
| 20:18.19 | ma3x | jelly-home: its the same with all registrars |
| 20:18.19 | ManuP | jelly-home, i am on it |
| 20:18.21 | cusco | ma3x: those acredited registrars will place your order with the responsible holder for the .tld in question |
| 20:18.39 | cusco | ma3x: so they are just a intermediate between you and nominet for instance |
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| 20:18.40 | cusco | or eurid |
| 20:18.42 | ma3x | cusco: ICANN ? |
| 20:18.43 | jelly-home | ma3x: I don't think so, the actual times might differ a bit |
| 20:18.55 | enouf | silly question .. but here goes = Can i somehow grab an Audio signal (only for the TV/Music channels I'm subscribed to) from my CableTV modem?, using it's USB out? I'm using the modem's Ethernet out for my NIC, and I returned the STB reecently (to save over $50 a month in bills) .. It's a motorla surfboard if that matters, and I can access it's web-interface easily |
| 20:19.02 | lfs | testing installer could not see the device, but I did not download the iso yet. |
| 20:19.21 | ma3x | jelly-home: but normally there is no registrar that will release right away the domain name after its exp date? |
| 20:19.27 | JordiGH | I've had to killdashnine apt's http method when it couldn't connect for whatever reason to security.debian.org |
| 20:19.29 | bzed | omg0: err? that was /etc/apt/sources.liust |
| 20:19.29 | cusco | ma3x: no. for instance eurid is responsible for all the .eu names, resgistars will intermediate with eurid (and others for other .tld's) |
| 20:19.34 | bzed | omg0: try this and paste the output please: apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx libfam0c102 libglu1-mesa xlibmesa-gluxlibmesa-gl |
| 20:19.36 | JordiGH | Even if other sites were reachable. |
| 20:19.38 | ma3x | cusco: what about .com ? |
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| 20:19.42 | bzed | omg0: link the right paste please |
| 20:19.50 | cusco | so its up to eurid to determine hopw long the name stays on the records |
| 20:19.57 | jelly-home | wols, ManuP: an interesting problem might be if the current default gateway is used to access the VPN gateway |
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| 20:20.19 | jelly-home | ma3x: AFAIK most of them hold the domain for some time |
| 20:20.33 | ma3x | jelly-home: that sucks |
| 20:20.35 | enouf | BTW .. now i only let them rape me for 75$ a month as opposed to $127.50 |
| 20:20.48 | JordiGH | Oy. Light usage of the "rape" word. |
| 20:20.51 | JordiGH | !rape |
| 20:21.35 | wols | enouf: who? |
| 20:21.35 | ManuP | jelly-home, i go into internet with eth0. then i start vpnc (which of course needs eth1 to establish the connection). |
| 20:21.35 | bzed | !rape JordiGH |
| 20:21.35 | enouf | wols: optonline.net |
| 20:21.35 | cusco | ma3x: .com is operated by BeriSign |
| 20:21.38 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.51 | enouf | wols: 3rd year of contract .. renegotiations |
| 20:21.52 | jelly-home | ManuP: you might also have to add an explicit route for the vpn host via your current gateway, then |
| 20:21.55 | cusco | so its up to them to determine for how long the name stays registered to whom |
| 20:22.30 | ManuP | jelly-home, omg, this is too much for me this evening... what happens if i mess the route table up? |
| 20:22.34 | enouf | wols: 1st yr was 95mo for all 3 (Tv, interent, phone (unlimited US)) |
| 20:22.35 | ManuP | can i recover it? |
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| 20:22.40 | wols | enouf: Oz $? |
| 20:23.01 | enouf | huh? |
| 20:23.02 | jelly-home | ManuP: you can always switch off vpn and disconnect/reconnect eth0, that should clear it up |
| 20:23.10 | wols | ManuP: you can. /etc/init.d/networking restart should fix it |
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| 20:23.11 | JordiGH | dpkg, rape is forced sexual intercourse widely considered a serious offense throughout the world and not a word to be treated lightly, as it offends some people's personhood at a very deep level. |
| 20:23.11 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
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| 20:23.24 | JordiGH | If someone doesn't like that, just remove or change the factoid. |
| 20:23.31 | ManuP | wols, jelly-home okay, then i will try to add a route.. |
| 20:23.47 | ManuP | argh.. coulndt that go automatically?! |
| 20:23.53 | enouf | JordiGH: I agree .. it's the wrong term to use .. but it does convey the message .. |
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| 20:23.59 | ManuP | !win ManuP |
| 20:23.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, ManuP! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 20:24.05 | enouf | I apologize if i offended anyone though |
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| 20:24.44 | jelly-home | ManuP: yes it can, you can add routes to be added in vpnc config |
| 20:24.44 | lfs | OK time to reboot. |
| 20:24.52 | enouf | JordiGH: IMHO .. it's the most aggregious acts like that that deserve the most severe types of punishment |
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| 20:25.22 | jelly-home | ManuP: that commented out "Target networks ..." line |
| 20:25.29 | enouf | Literal acts, or Figurative ones imposed from the Corps |
| 20:25.39 | pandrew | hey people! what's a metapackage? |
| 20:25.52 | JordiGH | enouf: I have a lot of friends who have been rape victims, unfortunately. :-( I'm not offended, but please be careful with that word. Now let's get back to Debian talk. |
| 20:26.01 | enouf | pandrew: it's a pkg that's just a listy of dependencies to pull them in |
| 20:26.10 | enouf | !meta |
| 20:26.10 | haggz | pandrew: a package with no content other than a list of dependencies causing a collection of related programs to be installed |
| 20:26.15 | lfs | Any last minute advice before I reboot into Debian install? |
| 20:26.23 | JordiGH | lfs: Onward ho! |
| 20:26.30 | omg0 | bzed: http://pastebin.ca/409593 |
| 20:26.31 | wols | lfs: sarge or etch? |
| 20:26.32 | bzed | lfs: keep your network conn working ;) |
| 20:26.35 | enouf | JordiGH: way ahead of ya ;-) |
| 20:26.38 | lfs | testing |
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| 20:26.47 | jelly-home | lfs: prepare beer and pretzels. |
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| 20:26.53 | JordiGH | lfs: All should be well. Take the plunge! We'll be waiting at the other side. |
| 20:27.00 | bzed | omg0: aaaah. next time pleas emake a NEW post instead of pasting stuff into the description |
| 20:27.11 | lfs | OK here goes then |
| 20:27.13 | JordiGH | lfs: Also, installgui as a boot parameter. Tell us what you think of the gui. ;-) |
| 20:27.17 | wols | omg0: looks good |
| 20:27.28 | bzed | wols: no, read the description ;) |
| 20:27.32 | jelly-home | there's a gui?! |
| 20:27.34 | pandrew | is there a way to get apt-get remove the dependencies of a package that i am removing too? (the dependencies, which are not used by anything else) |
| 20:27.37 | bzed | omg0: put a space between xlibmesa-glu and xlibmesa-gl |
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| 20:28.03 | bzed | omg0: then try again and paste the output in a NEW paste (new -> upper left corner *click*) |
| 20:28.14 | ma3x | jelly-home: what app can I use to open 'bootchart' generated file (statistic.svgz) ? |
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| 20:28.21 | waspius | hey i am using irssi through console...how can i leave a channel? |
| 20:28.24 | JordiGH | jelly-gui: Well, yeah. It doesn't actually convey any information that the old installer did, but the gui installer might just look less intimidating. It's a psychological thing. It works with the framebuffer, naturally. |
| 20:28.28 | JordiGH | waspius: /part |
| 20:28.41 | waspius | JordiGH: thank you |
| 20:28.41 | bzed | omg0: btw, is english your native language? or would any other language more easy for you? |
| 20:28.57 | jelly-home | pandrew: not an easy way. If you used aptitude to install it, aptitude remove will remove the dependencies too |
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| 20:29.09 | jelly-home | ma3x: no experience with bootchart |
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| 20:30.06 | pandrew | how can i get a list with 1) all the installed packages? 2) all the installed packages that depend on a given package? |
| 20:30.14 | wols | ma3x: run "file" on the file |
| 20:30.44 | jelly-home | pandrew: 1) man dpkg (dpkg -l) 2) man apt-cache |
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| 20:31.02 | ma3x | wols: bootchart.svgz: gzip compressed data, last modified: Sun Mar 25 22:43:13 2007 |
| 20:31.04 | ManuP | jelly-home, to much for me today. will try tomorow. thx and cu |
| 20:31.08 | waspius | anyone knoe any messenger that supports offline messaging...i am sure kopete used to have it but it dont seem to have it now |
| 20:31.10 | ManuP | wols, thx too |
| 20:31.23 | wols | ma3x: you have your answer |
| 20:31.23 | bzed | pandrew: COLUMNS=200 dpkg-l is sometimes useful |
| 20:31.24 | enouf | pandrew: debfoster and deborphan |
| 20:31.28 | jelly-home | pandrew: there are deborphan and debfoster tools that help with package cruft. |
| 20:31.40 | wols | ma3x: searv for svg btw (after you unpacked it) |
| 20:31.56 | JordiGH | waspius: Kopete supports it depending on the protocol. It's the protocol, not the client who can say if offline messanging is possible. |
| 20:32.01 | enouf | the apt howto does say it removes depends that a certain pkg pulled in though .. /msg dpkg apt howto |
| 20:32.21 | waspius | JordiGH: when you mean protocol what exactly do you mean? |
| 20:32.23 | potolo | anyone know lots about openssh? am experiencing connection error (Permission denied (publickey).). thanks. |
| 20:32.33 | JordiGH | waspius: MSN vs AIM vs Jabber vs IRC... |
| 20:32.54 | omg0 | bzed: http://pastebin.ca/409601 |
| 20:32.59 | waspius | JordiGH: i used it before for msn and it was supported but now it is not |
| 20:33.09 | enouf | pandrew: you may also find the info in "/msg dpkg selections" useful as well |
| 20:33.29 | n3kl | What usefull things could I do with acidbase? |
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| 20:33.34 | enouf | pandrew: and and man apt-rdepends |
| 20:33.41 | enouf | er s/and/oh |
| 20:33.58 | jelly-home | what's apt-rdepends? |
| 20:34.10 | omg0 | bzed: English is my native language. Unless you speak patwa which is not easily written |
| 20:34.10 | ma3x | wols: you mean 'search' ? it opens with konq but I can't go right, can't view the whole image |
| 20:34.15 | Malagmyr | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-31r5-amd64-netinst.iso doesn't exist. Where can I get it? |
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| 20:34.41 | wols | Malagmyr: get etch instead |
| 20:34.54 | wols | Malagmyr: it's doubtful sarge would even boot on yourhardware |
| 20:35.01 | JordiGH | waspius: I understand that this is because MSN changed its protocol, not Kopete's fault: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20MSN |
| 20:35.02 | Malagmyr | wols: where can I get the netinstall of etch for amd64, then? |
| 20:35.07 | wols | !d-i |
| 20:35.07 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 20:35.07 | wols | there |
| 20:35.21 | bzed | omg0: no, patwa is nothing I can speak or even type. let's stay with english :) |
| 20:35.30 | waspius | JordiGH: JordiGH oh..ok... |
| 20:35.34 | Malagmyr | wols: ah. found it. nevermind |
| 20:35.53 | enouf | jetscreamer: sorry .. missed your question .. you used no nick :-( |
| 20:36.02 | enouf | bah jelly-home i mean |
| 20:36.06 | n3kl | Malagmyr: I have 31r3 if you want |
| 20:36.14 | n3kl | Malagmyr: oh, nm |
| 20:36.17 | bzed | omg0: add libxxf86vm1 to the list of packages and try again please |
| 20:36.23 | Malagmyr | n3kl: found this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 20:36.40 | bzed | Malagmyr: right one. |
| 20:36.55 | enouf | jelly-home: apt-cache show apt-rdepends |
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| 20:38.17 | JordiGH | Also, apt-cache can draw dependency graphs with the help of graphviz! |
| 20:38.57 | omg0 | bzed: http://pastebin.ca/409616 |
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| 20:39.46 | bzed | omg0: add xorg x11-common to the list please |
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| 20:39.54 | Inc | hi, is there a debian package for horde? |
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| 20:40.02 | bzed | omg0: I'm seriously wondering why that didn't happen automatically O_o |
| 20:40.06 | bzed | !tell Inc about search |
| 20:40.11 | Malagmyr | Inc: there is one for alliance at least... |
| 20:40.35 | Inc | Malagmyr: har har har |
| 20:40.40 | Malagmyr | indeed |
| 20:40.41 | zamaliphe | hi all |
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| 20:41.24 | potolo | I'm hoping someone here knows lots about using openssh. I'm experiencing connection errors (Permission denied (publickey).). thanks. |
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| 20:41.52 | Inc | found it |
| 20:41.56 | Inc | thanks :) |
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| 20:42.02 | zamaliphe | i have this error W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv ?? |
| 20:42.29 | JordiGH | potolo: Uh, are you sure the password is correct? |
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| 20:43.51 | jetscreamer | enouf: i had no question, i just got home |
| 20:43.57 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 20:44.08 | enouf | heh .. apologies about the bad tab |
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| 20:44.33 | jet30 | hey how do i check my version of xorg |
| 20:44.50 | omg0 | bzed: we be gettn somewhey. Downloadn lots stuff |
| 20:44.57 | me_here | Xorg --version |
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| 20:45.01 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 20:45.01 | dpkg | No packages found matching xserver-xorg |
| 20:45.14 | jetscreamer | dpkg lies! |
| 20:45.15 | dpkg | lies are evil, or as some would put it: "There are three types of lies; lies, damned lies, and statistics." |
| 20:45.35 | jet30 | Fatal server error: |
| 20:45.35 | jet30 | Unrecognized option: --version |
| 20:45.38 | bzed | omg0: awesome. when that's installed please do an aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 20:45.47 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 20:45.47 | dpkg | ii xserver-xorg 2.6-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 20:45.55 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 20:46.07 | jetscreamer | !literal dpkg |
| 20:46.07 | dpkg | "dpkg" is "<reply> dpkg is a bot (me!), but more importantly it's the command which actually installs and otherwise manages Debian packages (.deb files)." |
| 20:46.08 | bzed | !info xserver-xorg |
| 20:46.16 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-15 (sid), Packaged size: 432 kB, Installed size: 1308 kB |
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| 20:46.37 | bzed | !literal dpkg -l |
| 20:47.02 | me_here | ups |
| 20:47.03 | me_here | Xorg -version |
| 20:47.20 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.26 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 20:47.28 | jet30 | ahh 7.1 |
| 20:47.30 | jet30 | thx |
| 20:48.03 | yoshio | !info vim |
| 20:48.11 | dpkg | vim: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:7.0-219+1 (sid), Packaged size: 729 kB, Installed size: 1408 kB |
| 20:48.26 | jetscreamer | !msg the bot |
| 20:48.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 20:50.05 | potolo | JordiGH: It doesn't prompt me for a password. The private key of the pair has a pwd tho of course. |
| 20:50.52 | JordiGH | potolo: No idea. I've never had a problem with ssh. :-/ |
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| 20:51.08 | JordiGH | OpenBSD does a few things, and it does them well. Very well. ;-) |
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| 20:51.35 | yoshio | /meg dpkg info vim |
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| 20:51.49 | JordiGH | s/meg/msg |
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| 20:52.52 | jetscreamer | smeg-ma |
| 20:52.55 | jetscreamer | yuck |
| 20:53.24 | outlaw84_ | are there any good tools to track disk activity in a debian system? |
| 20:53.24 | JordiGH | Heh. |
| 20:53.34 | JordiGH | outlaw84_: Kinfocenter? |
| 20:53.54 | Wolfpaws | outlaw84_: You're probably want FAM |
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| 20:54.38 | \amethyst | outlaw84_: what variable do you want to track? bytes in/out? |
| 20:54.42 | outlaw84_ | Wolfpaws: hum perhaps that could do it.. |
| 20:54.44 | \amethyst | outlaw84_: iostat |
| 20:54.49 | jetscreamer | that's file alteration monitor |
| 20:54.51 | zamaliphe | i have this error W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv ??how can i fix it ?? |
| 20:54.57 | jetscreamer | not read disk monitor |
| 20:54.58 | outlaw84_ | \amethyst: Well I wanna know what is using the disk |
| 20:55.01 | docelic | Folks, you use GNU Expect.. I'd like to see how you'd script interaction with 'passwd' command.. All I've done is crap. |
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| 20:55.10 | \amethyst | outlaw84_: lsof is "list open files" |
| 20:55.11 | yoshio | potolo: have you tried using "-v" (you can add extra v's) to ssh? |
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| 20:55.59 | potolo | yoshio: yes. -vvv just gives the same error at the end. thanks though. been working on it trying google recommendations all day now. :-( |
| 20:56.33 | Pons | guys, i'm installing debian on a 486, that doesn't boot from cdrom... i know (because i used it) that there's a boot diskette that let's me boot from the cdrom drive... i think it was someday in debian install disks... anyone knows its name? |
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| 20:57.14 | potolo | Pons: can't you change it to boot from the CD-ROM first in the computer BIOS? |
| 20:57.44 | Pons | i can't even load the bios, and even tho, i don't think it can boot from cdrom directly |
| 20:57.48 | Pons | it's too old |
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| 20:58.14 | jetscreamer | smart boot manager |
| 20:58.29 | petemc | Pons: get the boot and root floppy images |
| 20:58.30 | jetscreamer | you can also get it done with a grub floppy i 'believe' |
| 20:58.58 | petemc | Pons: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/ |
| 20:59.10 | ma3x | how can I view .svgz files? |
| 20:59.28 | jetscreamer | usually kde handles those well ma3x |
| 20:59.37 | outlaw84_ | \amethyst: there sure are lots of files open :) |
| 20:59.46 | ma3x | jetscreamer: yes, but I can't see the whole image, and I can't turn right, left, top bottom |
| 20:59.47 | jetscreamer | there is an svg viewer in sources but i don't know if it does the zipped ones |
| 20:59.54 | Pons | jetscreamer: that was exactly what i was looking for.. smart boot manager |
| 20:59.56 | Pons | thanx !! |
| 21:00.08 | jetscreamer | gimp maybe... i know it does svg |
| 21:00.19 | ma3x | let's see |
| 21:00.34 | ma3x | and how do I unzip the .svgz? |
| 21:00.39 | jetscreamer | there may be an additional gimp package you need |
| 21:00.48 | jetscreamer | try gunzip i dunno |
| 21:00.52 | jetscreamer | maybe you don' |
| 21:00.52 | Wolfpaws | jetscreamer: GIMP doesn't do SVG |
| 21:00.52 | jetscreamer | t |
| 21:01.03 | jetscreamer | Wolfpaws: it does something with it... |
| 21:01.07 | ma3x | damn this is stupid |
| 21:01.10 | jetscreamer | lemme see what i'm talking about |
| 21:01.19 | ma3x | how can they make bootchart and make it only viewable with kde? |
| 21:01.27 | Wolfpaws | jetscreamer: You're probably thinking "inkscape" |
| 21:01.31 | jetscreamer | !info gimp-svg |
| 21:01.35 | dpkg | gimp-svg: (SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) plugin for The GIMP), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.2.13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 21:02.05 | ma3x | jetscreamer: but I can't unzip it |
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| 21:02.23 | jetscreamer | ma3x: i know nothing, just that kde does them well with somelthing |
| 21:02.39 | jetscreamer | lessee |
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| 21:03.21 | ma3x | with a plugin |
| 21:03.23 | wols | jetscreamer: ksvg |
| 21:03.46 | wols | ma3x: why can't you unzip? |
| 21:03.53 | yoshio | potolo: $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys -- does it have 600 permissions? $HOME/.ssh should have g-w permissions also |
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| 21:04.17 | ma3x | wols -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/5815 |
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| 21:04.37 | wols | gunzip! |
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| 21:04.44 | wols | it's a .gz file, not a zip file |
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| 21:05.01 | plasmid | is there a way to find out if there is actually some copying going on when i typed: dd if=/dev/hdd1 of=/dev/hdb1 ?? I see no verbose of any kind. It's an olde box PIII 667 mhz and 256 ram. |
| 21:05.07 | jetscreamer | Wolfpaws: looks like inkscape does svgz well i guess |
| 21:05.12 | ma3x | gunzip: bootchart.svgz: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 21:05.18 | jetscreamer | i never used inkscape i know nothing about it |
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| 21:05.26 | wols | plasmid: harddisk light? harddisk noise? |
| 21:05.37 | GmLB | Is there any way to run some diagnostics on a disk to see if it's busted? |
| 21:05.44 | wols | mv bootchart.svgz bootchart.svg.gz |
| 21:05.46 | ma3x | wols ^ |
| 21:05.47 | jetscreamer | there is smart |
| 21:05.50 | ma3x | ok |
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| 21:05.52 | wols | GmLB: smartmontools |
| 21:05.55 | pandrew | how can i find out which package a file belongs to? |
| 21:05.56 | plasmid | wols, lol.. i suppose so.. let me double check. |
| 21:06.05 | perlmonkey | is there a solution to this: AudioOutput Error: WARNING: something is currently using: /dev/dsp, retrying. |
| 21:06.07 | wols | 1tell pandrew about search |
| 21:06.21 | GmLB | wols: thanks |
| 21:06.24 | wols | perlmonkey: yes. stop whatever has opened /dev/dsp |
| 21:06.38 | ma3x | wols: unpackaed it, not how do I view it? |
| 21:06.47 | perlmonkey | but nothing has, im not running any sound apps... apart from system sounds in X |
| 21:06.56 | Wolfpaws | ma3x: inkscape. |
| 21:07.14 | ma3x | I'm installing it |
| 21:07.14 | potolo | yoshio: $HOME/.ssh is forbidden for non-user at the mo. There isn't an authorizedkeys file at the mo, tho I believe the permissions are correct on the knownhosts file |
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| 21:07.35 | wols | perlmonkey: have you actually checked? |
| 21:07.39 | potolo | I've experimented with varying permissions for those and /dev/tty (666/600) |
| 21:07.45 | ma3x | luitenant streuner howdy! |
| 21:08.02 | perlmonkey | wols: i did a PS and I can't see anything which is using dsp |
| 21:08.18 | wols | how does ps help you check what files are open? |
| 21:08.25 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 21:08.29 | wols | interesting use of ps. maybe you have a super-ps? |
| 21:08.31 | plasmid | wols, the harddrive light is solid. I believe it's copying then. No way to be sure though as the hard drives don't really make a sound. (quiet ones I suppose) |
| 21:08.36 | perlmonkey | ha |
| 21:08.42 | perlmonkey | wols: can you explain? |
| 21:08.53 | wols | ps lists processes. files aren't processes, are they? |
| 21:09.16 | wols | use lsof |
| 21:09.18 | ma3x | Retrieving bug reports... 0% <- that still doesn't work |
| 21:09.20 | perlmonkey | wols: i thought you mean perhaps as an app using dsp was still running as a background process |
| 21:09.27 | ma3x | man it takes time |
| 21:09.38 | wols | yes but that app has /dev/dsp open. how do you see if it has it open via ps? |
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| 21:09.52 | perlmonkey | i dont know :( |
| 21:10.28 | perlmonkey | wols: what's the best way then? |
| 21:10.38 | zamaliphe | W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 21:10.39 | wols | I already told you: lsof. or fuser |
| 21:10.39 | diakopter | hello. I'm having a problem with inet sockets on a fresh Debian Etch. The machine has an additional local loopback address b/c it's behind an IP load-balancer. the daemon is bound to all interfaces, ipv4 only. after a socket accepts a client that comes in on the virtual ip, peername() returns undef. If I remove the additional local loopback, peername() returns correctly, but the IP load balancing doesn't work. Any ideas/tips? Co |
| 21:10.51 | wols | zamaliphe: topic |
| 21:11.08 | perlmonkey | wols: many thanks, alles klar |
| 21:11.34 | potolo | Hmm. There's a mention on a debian mailing list post of entering "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -d -d -p 22222" but I'm really not sure of what exactly that does & if it's reversible. anybody know? |
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| 21:12.01 | wols | potolo: it makes sshd listen on port 22222. but can't you read the manpage? |
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| 21:13.05 | potolo | wols: Miaow. :-/ It's 22:11. Around 12pm I began troubleshooting. ...I have read a lot of manpages today. Anyway, thanks for clarifying the command. |
| 21:13.19 | perlmonkey | wols: it doesn't speak to me |
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| 21:13.53 | wols | what you're saying now doesn't "speak to me eithre". as a error report it's pretty much totally useless |
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| 21:14.37 | perlmonkey | lsof = taking the piss, how can anyone understand the --help |
| 21:14.45 | wols | lsof /dev/dsp |
| 21:14.49 | wols | how easy is that? |
| 21:14.51 | perlmonkey | ok thanks |
| 21:14.56 | perlmonkey | i got confused :( |
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| 21:15.33 | perlmonkey | wols: what is "esd" |
| 21:15.49 | wols | esound. a shitty gnome/enlightenment sound damen |
| 21:16.00 | perlmonkey | phew thats what's using my dsp |
| 21:16.05 | perlmonkey | i should delete it eh |
| 21:16.09 | wols | the bane on $deity's green earth and thw wart on everyones ass |
| 21:16.17 | wols | you can tell I don't like sound daemons, do you? |
| 21:16.18 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 21:16.21 | perlmonkey | that bad eh |
| 21:16.24 | zamaliphe | wols: sorry didnot help |
| 21:16.43 | wols | !A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 21:16.43 | dpkg | a70daf536070d3a1 is probably see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10285, or see http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 21:16.45 | zamaliphe | what is the 2007 key ??? |
| 21:16.58 | wols | !tell perlmonkey about dmix |
| 21:17.07 | wols | that's what you should use instead |
| 21:17.08 | omg0 | when selecting locales. Do you select everything from your area like for the US there are 4 : [*] en_US ISO-8859-1 ? [ ] en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15 ? [ ] en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 21:17.38 | perlmonkey | ok I will make the transistion |
| 21:17.40 | wols | omg0: no. only the IOS8859-15 and utf |
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| 21:18.02 | wols | and utf8 depends of course if you use utf8 |
| 21:18.09 | wols | but selecting several doesn't really hurt |
| 21:18.09 | ma3x | how do I view the recent 10 packages I've installed? |
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| 21:18.22 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.25 | lfs | What is LVM? |
| 21:18.30 | wols | !LVM |
| 21:18.31 | dpkg | lvm is, like, at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
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| 21:18.53 | lfs | So to LVM or not to LVM? |
| 21:19.25 | wols | linux never provides such easy answers. it gives you choices. making informed choices means you have to read. a lot |
| 21:19.29 | lfs | How to ask about lvm_tutorial? |
| 21:19.34 | kash | /usr/include/bits/socket.h:304:24: asm/socket.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:19.39 | wols | !tell lfs about msg the bot |
| 21:19.41 | kash | i'm getting this when i try to compile kernel |
| 21:19.42 | JordiGH | lfs: I say you do. It doesn't affect anything if it's there, and if you decide later using it, you'd have to repartition your drive. |
| 21:20.05 | JordiGH | Almost as sexy as Theo? Did Theo do LVM? |
| 21:20.14 | wols | kash: what kernel source? |
| 21:20.15 | lfs | Is it a raid thingy? |
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| 21:20.26 | kash | any kernel source |
| 21:20.26 | phogg | lfs: it can be |
| 21:20.28 | kash | vanilla |
| 21:20.37 | kash | 2.6.16.44, 2.6.20(.4) |
| 21:20.53 | kash | i was able to compile 2.6.16.44 yesterday |
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| 21:20.58 | JordiGH | lfs: It's a way to set up logical volumes. Two ext3 partitions can be seamlessly integrated so the kernel thinks it's actually one big partition, for instance. It's more convenient for resizing partitions than physically resizing partitions. |
| 21:21.00 | kash | but now i get that error |
| 21:21.02 | rvsjoen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_volume_management |
| 21:21.09 | ma3x | can you suggest a good but cheap registrar? |
| 21:21.12 | wols | !tell kash about b-e |
| 21:21.15 | JordiGH | lfs: But yeah, rtfm. ;-) |
| 21:21.19 | kash | build essentials? |
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| 21:21.28 | kash | i've got it |
| 21:21.50 | wols | kash: what version of debian? |
| 21:21.57 | kash | sid |
| 21:22.06 | lfs | Unfortunately I dont have great internet connection yet. |
| 21:22.11 | wols | then b-e contains libc6-dev and therefore socket.h |
| 21:22.14 | JordiGH | lfs: Also, you can encrypt your partition with lvm, and the competition can't do it yet! :D |
| 21:22.17 | wols | so you can't have b-e installed |
| 21:22.25 | kash | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 21:22.25 | kash | build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 21:22.38 | wols | !tell kash about search |
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| 21:22.43 | wols | that will show you what you need |
| 21:23.09 | wols | and b-e has as its depends: Depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev |
| 21:23.17 | wols | so something is very very wrong on your box kash |
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| 21:24.05 | lfs | Does each volume need to be on a seperate device? |
| 21:24.23 | wols | kash: linux-kernel-headers |
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| 21:24.38 | JordiGH | lfs: No. But it can. That's the great thing. You could have, for instance, two harddrives, yet your kernel would only see one partition. |
| 21:24.48 | JordiGH | lfs: And rtfm already. :-) |
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| 21:25.02 | kash | hm, they weren't installed |
| 21:25.04 | potolo | Is there a specialist openssh/ssh channel, perhaps even a Debian one? |
| 21:25.09 | mech422 | hi all - what would be the 'recommended' TT font server for use with Debian Etch amd64 ? Xfstt ? |
| 21:25.12 | lfs | So what is downside of choosing LVM? |
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| 21:25.18 | Pupeno2 | In the Debian Asterisk package, where packaged audios have been moved to /usr/share/asterisk/sounds/, how do I make Asterisk pick up sounds from /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/ ? |
| 21:25.20 | JordiGH | potolo: Ask in #openbsd. They know their network shit over there. |
| 21:25.34 | mech422 | potolo: : whats the problem ? |
| 21:25.37 | rvsjoen | lfs: disaster recovery :) |
| 21:25.55 | lfs | So no LVM is more stable? |
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| 21:26.18 | mystic_jade | Hello |
| 21:26.23 | easytiger | when i run folding@home nothing happens? i just get a short about message. on ubuntu it kicks off |
| 21:26.41 | mech422 | lfs: no LVM is easier to get 'rescue' CD's for - you don't need lvm support in the 'rescue' build |
| 21:26.43 | JordiGH | Is folding@home in Debian? It's non-free. |
| 21:26.46 | kash | wols, working now, thank you :) |
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| 21:27.10 | mystic_jade | someone knows why i input one flash usb in my computer in one acount and the information is access only from the other acount "this happends when i have 2 acounts open at the same time" |
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| 21:27.27 | lfs | Does Sarge have LVM? |
| 21:27.31 | rastilin | Could you explain that a different way? |
| 21:27.32 | easytiger | JordiGH: but does it need mono? |
| 21:27.32 | potolo | mech422: been having probs all day today & yesterday connecting via ssh. I get "Permission denied (publickey)." seemingly no matter what I try from Google |
| 21:27.35 | mech422 | lfs: I believe so |
| 21:27.37 | rastilin | lfm: yes |
| 21:27.46 | mystic_jade | that means the iformation of my flash usb go to another user |
| 21:27.48 | wols | LVM is part of linux since at least 2.4 |
| 21:27.59 | mech422 | potolo: sounds like you don't have permission to your publickey file(s) ? |
| 21:28.02 | rastilin | How does it go to another user? |
| 21:28.03 | lfs | OK, LVM it is. Thanks |
| 21:28.05 | wols | mystic_jade: what is the mount line for the flash device? |
| 21:28.08 | JordiGH | lfs: The sarge installer didn't have lvm, I don't think, but it could have been installed. |
| 21:28.15 | mfrisch | potolo: why not remove the hosts old publickey? |
| 21:28.35 | JordiGH | easytiger: Kfolding looks like a KDE front-end for folding@home. It's in contrib. |
| 21:28.56 | mystic_jade | wols well i dont know i just put the flash usb in my pc and ussually if i have 2 acounts open the information of the flash usb goes allways to the another acount and not to the acount i'm |
| 21:29.17 | mystic_jade | rastilin that what i'm asking |
| 21:29.23 | wols | mystic_jade: is this debian? |
| 21:29.26 | easytiger | JordiGH: its a headless setup |
| 21:29.28 | JordiGH | easytiger: What frontend for folding@home are you using? |
| 21:29.38 | mystic_jade | yes debian etch and i allways have this litle problem here even whith stable version |
| 21:29.41 | wols | cause debian doesn't automount stuff afaik. so you must have installed something special and configured it. what? |
| 21:29.43 | easytiger | JordiGH: i was just using the console app from their site |
| 21:29.49 | magyar | need help with postfix and "relay per user mail" to exchange |
| 21:29.49 | mystic_jade | since i install debian allways have thisproblem :X |
| 21:29.51 | potolo | mech422 | mfrisch: the host is an external svn repository. I ran a diff of the public key from the pair that I sent to them against my local copy of it. they were binary equal. |
| 21:29.51 | easytiger | it works on ubuntu |
| 21:30.04 | rastilin | Does it go only to the other account? |
| 21:30.08 | JordiGH | easytiger: Then you're being offtopic. ;-) That's not Debian software. Ask them what the problem is. |
| 21:30.15 | wols | magyar: asked #postfix? |
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| 21:30.25 | mystic_jade | rastilin yes it opens in the other user acount ... |
| 21:30.35 | mfrisch | potolo: ok start over and enter the pass. rm -r ~/.ssh |
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| 21:30.36 | rastilin | What user do the files belong to? |
| 21:30.37 | mystic_jade | and not in the acount i'm is allways ben like this |
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| 21:30.40 | wols | mystic_jade: WHAT opens? |
| 21:30.59 | wad | I'm looking for some advice. I've set up my web server debian box (using Postfix). I'd like to run spamassassin. The book I'm reading recommends using CPAN instead of a package, so that the spam definitions stay more current. Any of you guys have experience with this? How does debian address the currency issue? |
| 21:31.07 | mystic_jade | wols the information of the flash .... |
| 21:31.07 | mfrisch | wols: a magic file sync window ;-) |
| 21:31.08 | mystic_jade | o0 |
| 21:31.08 | mystic_jade | 0o |
| 21:31.28 | wols | wad: it doesn't and they're right since it's SA |
| 21:31.41 | wad | wols: Okay, so CPAN is my best bet? |
| 21:31.43 | wols | wad: a 2 year old SA ins table won't catch too many spam mails |
| 21:31.51 | wad | exactly. :) |
| 21:31.58 | potolo | mfrisch: but that would delete my private key - the public counterpart of which was sent to the repository maintainers. |
| 21:32.18 | mystic_jade | wols i use many times more then one user acount ... at the same time ... don` know if the persns use it like me :X but that what i get here |
| 21:32.19 | mfrisch | potolo: have a backup put it only back |
| 21:32.25 | wols | mystic_jade: that windows doesn't happen by magic. standard debian doesn't mount flash by magic. so what does it? |
| 21:32.29 | JordiGH | And on that note, it's totally awesome that the computation of E8 that made it into the news was done entirely with free software, although this fact wasn't publicised much. :-( |
| 21:32.34 | omg0 | bzed: I just got prompted to remove the kernel image. Do I want to do that? |
| 21:32.40 | mfrisch | potolo: save .ssh/id_rsa.* |
| 21:32.43 | wols | omg0: unlikely |
| 21:32.57 | wols | omg0: especially if it's your only kernel |
| 21:33.09 | potolo | mfrisch: also, it doesn't actually prompt me for a password ever. the priv key has a pwd itself of course tho. | it's dsa but yeah. |
| 21:33.10 | abrotman | omg0: are you going from sarge to etch ? |
| 21:33.11 | bzed | omg0: you want to install a new one before |
| 21:33.16 | wols | !tell mystic_jade about usb-storage |
| 21:33.16 | bzed | abrotman: yes |
| 21:33.29 | wols | mystic_jade: this is tha "Normal" way for flash devices |
| 21:33.30 | mystic_jade | wols if i input one flash usb pen ... in my usb computer it opens automatycly .... the flash usb right? |
| 21:33.34 | abrotman | then if he has the metapackage for the kernel .. he should be okay . dpkg -l kernel-image* .. show us |
| 21:33.39 | wols | mystic_jade: no |
| 21:33.44 | JordiGH | Hey, where was the updated report on RC bugs that was better than the -devel-announce emails that BugScan reporter was sending? |
| 21:33.46 | mystic_jade | wols you joking whith me? |
| 21:33.58 | bzed | omg0: paste the putput of dpkg -l kernel-image* please? |
| 21:33.58 | wols | mystic_jade: I am certainly not. look at what dpkg just told you |
| 21:34.03 | abrotman | JordiGH: people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 21:34.07 | mystic_jade | wols you shure you are using debian desktop? |
| 21:34.09 | mfrisch | potolo: ok. but that error usually means ssh isn't seening the hosts key correctly or the ip has changed...which usually is a different error |
| 21:34.12 | omg0 | bzed: http://pastebin.ca/409711 |
| 21:34.13 | JordiGH | Thanks, abrotman. |
| 21:34.14 | mystic_jade | or only server? |
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| 21:34.27 | mech422 | !tell mech422 about true-type fonts |
| 21:34.29 | wols | mystic_jade: I am sure. using a debian sid with windowmaker as we speak |
| 21:34.35 | mystic_jade | wols debian have automatic run to flash usb storage pen |
| 21:34.44 | abrotman | streuner: ? |
| 21:34.50 | Voltr0n | Does anyone know how to make a ftp account with no permissions other than ftping ? |
| 21:34.56 | mystic_jade | wols i use debian whith gnome ... and here it automatic opens ... |
| 21:35.01 | mfrisch | streuner: I think people were snutty to him |
| 21:35.01 | streuner | abrotman: you're only on the second place (debstats) :-) |
| 21:35.03 | wols | Voltr0n: enable anon login |
| 21:35.05 | bzed | omg0: I'd jsut say yes, but do NOT reboot until you;re sure that you've installed a new kernel |
| 21:35.09 | abrotman | streuner: i've been super-busy at work |
| 21:35.14 | JordiGH | Voltr0n: Does it have to be ftp? Can it be sftp? |
| 21:35.15 | Voltr0n | wols: er, no |
| 21:35.16 | streuner | oh |
| 21:35.16 | mystic_jade | wols you are not using gnome inst it? |
| 21:35.17 | JordiGH | !ftp |
| 21:35.18 | dpkg | ftp is probably (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 21:35.18 | abrotman | streuner: and travelling on weekends |
| 21:35.20 | wols | mystic_jade: and this other user uses gnome too? |
| 21:35.23 | Alam_Debian | what is the proper to zero out a SD card? 'dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda'? |
| 21:35.33 | mfrisch | abrotman: what you don't talk no more :-) hello. |
| 21:35.41 | mech422 | !tell mech422 about truetype fonts |
| 21:35.47 | streuner | Is it possible that some geek get a life at all? |
| 21:35.48 | abrotman | mfrisch: sure i do .. but i'm still busy at work |
| 21:35.49 | wols | !tell mech422 about msg the bot |
| 21:35.54 | streuner | s/geek/geeks/ |
| 21:36.11 | mech422 | wols: sorry |
| 21:36.13 | Voltr0n | JordiGH - yes it has to be ftp, isnt there a way i can make my account only ftp? So no one can use ssh or anything else? |
| 21:36.27 | mystic_jade | wols look ... i put one flash usb ... in my debian etch "tested whith stable to" whith gnome desktop ... and it opens automatic the flash usb information ... myproblem is that the information .... of the flash usb goes to the other user acount and not to the currently user acount |
| 21:36.45 | mfrisch | abrotman: don't let them work you into the ground |
| 21:36.46 | wols | Voltr0n: /bin/false in /etc/passwd for the account as a shell |
| 21:36.51 | abrotman | mfrisch: sure :) |
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| 21:37.05 | wols | mystic_jade: I asked you something |
| 21:37.12 | mystic_jade | wols whta part? |
| 21:37.19 | JordiGH | Anyways, sorry for bitching. I don't know much about setting up ftp. |
| 21:37.22 | wols | mystic_jade: scroll up |
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| 21:37.25 | Voltr0n | wols - and this does what? |
| 21:37.26 | mystic_jade | you tell to me this not happend in debian ... |
| 21:37.33 | abrotman | gnome-volume-manager ? |
| 21:37.37 | wols | it sets a users shell to /bin/false? |
| 21:37.38 | mystic_jade | and debian allways open automatic flash usb ... |
| 21:37.42 | mystic_jade | in gnome |
| 21:37.57 | mystic_jade | since i use debian lalways open me the flash usb |
| 21:37.57 | mystic_jade | and you talkingme like if im lie |
| 21:38.02 | mystic_jade | ok forget thanks for the help |
| 21:38.24 | wols | mystic_jade: debian is a lot of things to different people. your install is not "the debian" install. debian doesn't do it but gnome volume manager as abrotman said |
| 21:38.35 | GmLB | wols: so aparently my disk doesn't support SMART. It's a new samsung 500gb sata disk. any recommendations on diagnosing my issues? |
| 21:38.52 | streuner | abrotman: where did you travel? |
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| 21:39.00 | GmLB | wols: I'm seeing IO errors in the dmesg, and then the disk becomes unreadable. The system doesn't even think it's there anymore |
| 21:39.03 | abrotman | streuner: to the town i grew up in .. next weekend is boston-area |
| 21:39.09 | wols | GmLB: there is no *ATA disk of the last few years that doesn't support SMART. unless you connect it via USB |
| 21:39.36 | GmLB | wols: "Device does not support SMART" |
| 21:39.37 | mystic_jade | wols do i nde you to tell another time ... the gnome debian desktop ... open automatic the flash usb? |
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| 21:39.55 | GmLB | wols: that was the response from smartctl -a /dev/sdi |
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| 21:40.03 | potolo | Verbose output of attempted OpenSSH connections seem to indicate it's offering the private key when asked for the public key by the remote server ("debug1: Offering public key: /home/richard/.ssh/id_dsa_kde" not id_dsa_kde.pub)? Or does my analysis look way off? :-/ If that's what it's doing I've no idea how to correct it |
| 21:40.10 | wols | sdi? what controller/driver is this? |
| 21:40.16 | wols | usb connected? |
| 21:40.16 | mystic_jade | if you dont know know the anwser and how to help me that ok ... |
| 21:40.26 | GmLB | wols: built-in mobo nvida sata controller |
| 21:40.30 | streuner | abrotman: new-england is prolly pretty nice |
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| 21:40.43 | Voltr0n | =/ |
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| 21:40.53 | abrotman | streuner: i used to spend my summers in Maine .. yes, it's very nice |
| 21:41.06 | mystic_jade | now debian gnome allways give me this problem and in the ubuntu it works fine ... "i dont know whhy" :x |
| 21:41.13 | mfrisch | potolo: have you connected to the host just using ssh? |
| 21:41.25 | wols | GmLB: |
| 21:41.28 | wols | HD501LJ ? |
| 21:41.31 | mystic_jade | and can be one security problem don`t? |
| 21:41.31 | potolo | mfrisch: no, I am unable to. |
| 21:41.36 | GmLB | wols: yeah |
| 21:41.57 | wols | GmLB: http://www.samsung.com/Products/HardDiskDrive/SpinPointTSeries/HardDiskDrive_SpinPointTSeries_HD501LJ.asp look at the features: ATA S.M.A.R.T Compliant |
| 21:42.06 | Bizzy | <wols> GmLB: there is no *ATA disk of the last few years that doesn't support SMART. unless you connect it via USB <<< even IF you connect via usb, alot support some hacky version of it |
| 21:42.12 | potolo | mfrisch: ssh potolo@svn.kde.org or variations pointing to the keyfile or specifying the user separately all fail, sadly |
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| 21:42.20 | GmLB | wols: then what would make smartctl tell me it's not supported |
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| 21:42.29 | wols | GmLB: you using sarge? |
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| 21:42.31 | GmLB | wols: Could it be the nvidia sata controller? Could it be a bios setting |
| 21:42.34 | GmLB | wols: etch |
| 21:42.38 | JoshJ | ok, wtf |
| 21:42.41 | potolo | naturally I have access rights to the server. not that I can successfully use them tho. |
| 21:42.49 | \amethyst | GmLB: It could be a BIOS setting |
| 21:42.49 | JoshJ | I just did the automatic update thing in etch |
| 21:42.58 | JoshJ | and it's updating uswsusp |
| 21:43.00 | wols | GmLB: which driver? |
| 21:43.07 | JoshJ | and i got a box saying "Continue without a valid swap partition?" |
| 21:43.11 | \amethyst | GmLB: My motherboard allows me to turn off SMART |
| 21:43.17 | GmLB | wol: sata_nv? |
| 21:43.25 | \amethyst | not the same mb, though |
| 21:43.28 | GmLB | \amethyst: Ah, i'll check the bios |
| 21:43.34 | JoshJ | and i'm pretty damn sure i've got a 3 gig swap partition |
| 21:43.43 | mfrisch | potolo: ok don't post a ssh address ;-) It comes up over here..I am at the password prompt. |
| 21:43.51 | JoshJ | 3.2 gigs, actually, though none of it is being used |
| 21:44.26 | streuner | abrotman: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Bass_harbor_head_light_20041002_123635_1.1504x1000.jpg |
| 21:44.26 | mfrisch | potolo: I'm sorry it did drop me |
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| 21:45.01 | abrotman | streuner: go to #-ot :) |
| 21:45.37 | geo-rge | hi, with a somewhat recent etch install and an appropriate cable, what can I do with a motorola razr cell? what can I add to do more, if anything? |
| 21:45.56 | potolo | mfrisch: do you have ssh access to that server? |
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| 21:46.07 | abrotman | streuner: not going ? |
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| 21:46.11 | geo-rge | also which log file in /var/log can I look at to see the action at connect/disconnect? |
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| 21:46.23 | abrotman | dmesg ? |
| 21:46.26 | cheeseboy | how do i install ndiswrapper? |
| 21:46.32 | geo-rge | let me look |
| 21:46.39 | mfrisch | potolo: no it droped me after getting their key...Do you need to get their key manualy? |
| 21:46.40 | wols | !ndiswrapper |
| 21:46.41 | dpkg | from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 21:47.25 | potolo | mfrisch: nope, shouldn't do. it puts it in the knownhosts file ok |
| 21:47.41 | cheeseboy | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 21:47.42 | dpkg | i heard ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 21:47.43 | geo-rge | these two lines (separated here by " \n ") look promising: cdc_acm 1-3:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device \n drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: v0.25:USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters |
| 21:48.23 | cheeseboy | !bcm43xx-cutter |
| 21:48.23 | abrotman | geo-rge: it's trying to use your phone as a modem i'd guess |
| 21:48.31 | abrotman | cheeseboy: msg the bot please |
| 21:48.48 | mfrisch | potolo: I don't know unless their setup is weird...unless they didn't add you yet |
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| 21:49.38 | geo-rge | so now my questions are: what is cdc_acm, "USB ACM device", "Abstract Control Model"? |
| 21:50.08 | JoshJ | http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/146/screenshotep7.png <-- can anyone help with this screenshot? |
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| 21:50.41 | abrotman | streuner: ? |
| 21:50.42 | cheeseboy | \wats command to install kernal headers? |
| 21:50.51 | potolo | mfrisch: maybe. i emailed them. hopefully they'll figure out the prob. |
| 21:50.58 | \amethyst | geo-rge: it's an interface for USB serial devices |
| 21:51.05 | JoshJ | cheeseboy, apt-get (or aptitude) install linux-headers-2.6.whatever |
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| 21:51.11 | \amethyst | geo-rge: have you tried the moto4lin package? |
| 21:51.13 | JoshJ | do apt-cache search linux-headers to see what the package name is you want |
| 21:51.29 | abrotman | m-a a-i prepare .. should do that |
| 21:51.32 | geo-rge | abrotman: (hi) ok, a modem huh? interesting... what can I do with that? :) |
| 21:51.38 | streuner | abrotman: no. |
| 21:51.40 | geo-rge | \amethyst: hi. |
| 21:51.42 | abrotman | geo-rge: i assume your'e trying to get at the data ? |
| 21:51.43 | mfrisch | potolo: cause it looks like key-auth is the only choice there. |
| 21:51.47 | abrotman | streuner: but i have pictures! |
| 21:52.01 | geo-rge | abrotman: yeah, I'd like to transfer photos |
| 21:52.03 | streuner | abrotman: pm me them |
| 21:52.11 | geo-rge | I guess mp3s too |
| 21:52.13 | mfrisch | moto$lin |
| 21:52.23 | abrotman | geo-rge: eh .. not sure if you can do that |
| 21:52.39 | geo-rge | ok |
| 21:52.41 | cheeseboy | huh? |
| 21:52.47 | geo-rge | good enough; I'll check it out |
| 21:52.55 | mfrisch | abrotman: what is that moto thingy a sparc? |
| 21:53.08 | abrotman | mfrisch: the phone ? |
| 21:53.11 | cheeseboy | JoshJ it isnt working |
| 21:53.23 | JoshJ | cheeseboy, apt-cache search linux-headers doesn't give you any results? |
| 21:53.32 | mfrisch | abrotman: yeah its got some processor..what? |
| 21:53.39 | wols | cheeseboy: are you on sarge? |
| 21:53.40 | geo-rge | cheeseboy: describe to your helper the kernel you want to build against... if it's your running kernel, tell them what "uname -r" says |
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| 21:53.52 | potolo | mfrisch: I believe so, yep. It should work for me tho; they added my private key. there's also https+svn but I didn't go for that |
| 21:54.13 | cheeseboy | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 21:54.24 | abrotman | mfrisch: no idea .. i don't have one .. i'd guess one of the embedded ones |
| 21:54.25 | cheeseboy | ya sarge |
| 21:54.28 | abrotman | duh :) |
| 21:54.30 | mfrisch | potolo: no get this to work. ssh is better |
| 21:54.54 | abrotman | mfrisch: it's ARM |
| 21:55.06 | potolo | mfrisch: hope springs eternal. with luck I'll have it sorted soon yep |
| 21:55.14 | mfrisch | abrotman: I never got why people want linux on there phone...how do they connect to their service? |
| 21:55.37 | cheeseboy | geo-rge wat do i do now |
| 21:55.37 | cheeseboy | ? |
| 21:55.40 | abrotman | mfrisch: openmoko.org |
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| 21:56.20 | JoshJ | cheeseboy, i think it would be apt-get install linux-headers-2.4.27-3-386 |
| 21:56.28 | JoshJ | but you should apt-cache search for that first to be sure it's the one you want |
| 21:56.30 | geo-rge | cheeseboy: you need the headers package that exactly matches the kernel you want to build against (2.4.27-3-386, right?) |
| 21:56.32 | JoshJ | and there's not some other thing added in it |
| 21:57.01 | mfrisch | abrotman: cool ;-) |
| 21:57.02 | cheeseboy | i guess |
| 21:57.09 | abrotman | mfrisch: sure .. if it ever actually happens |
| 21:57.21 | geo-rge | I've never succeeded yet at using a headers package, so you'd have to talk to someone who has |
| 21:57.45 | mfrisch | abrotman: I have checked out running sip through it...but for a company of one its alittle silly |
| 21:57.53 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 21:58.38 | streuner | mfrisch: that's the other alternative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian_OS |
| 21:58.39 | yoshio | potolo: did they give you a shell account, or just svn access over ssh? I looked through http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/developer-faq.html and http://developer.kde.org/joining/firststepsaccount.php , it seems to be svn access only, not a shell account |
| 21:59.10 | zamaliphe | i need to install the nvidia 1.0-9631 driver from debian but i cant find it even in unstable ?? |
| 21:59.18 | geo-rge | \amethyst, mfrisch: what is the basic deal of this moto4lin package? what is the best first-timer doc to read? |
| 21:59.31 | centrx | zamaliphe it's in the contrib repository |
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| 22:00.02 | \amethyst | geo-rge: dunno, I haven't used it myself |
| 22:00.06 | mfrisch | geo-rge: goto there webpage? I would read it all before I wiped my flash |
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| 22:00.29 | geo-rge | ugh, I have to reprogram the phone?! |
| 22:00.44 | mfrisch | geo-rge: I would think ;-) |
| 22:00.56 | geo-rge | that might not be such a good thing at least for now |
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| 22:01.17 | geo-rge | I'm not that brave at the moment |
| 22:01.32 | JoshJ | what, you were planning on dual booting the phone? |
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| 22:01.42 | mfrisch | hehheh |
| 22:01.46 | potolo | yoshio: possibly just svn over ssh. though that doesn't work either ;) |
| 22:01.48 | mech422 | Joshj:heh - cute |
| 22:02.00 | JoshJ | ...actually, now I want a dual-boot phone :( |
| 22:02.12 | Mark17 | is it possible to multiple ips with a single action? (all ips are within 1 /24 and are after each other (.140-.189)? |
| 22:02.20 | mfrisch | JoshJ: with those ipod linux things you can |
| 22:02.31 | JoshJ | heh |
| 22:02.50 | mfrisch | roxbox and such |
| 22:02.52 | geo-rge | JoshJ: all I want is to get at the data without altering the os on the phone |
| 22:03.00 | geo-rge | there are pics on it now |
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| 22:03.07 | mfrisch | geo-rge: see if you can mount it ? |
| 22:03.10 | JoshJ | geo-rge, can you mount the phone as a device somehow, maybe dd it to the hard drive? |
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| 22:03.54 | mfrisch | geo-rge: what kind of harddrive is on the pc? |
| 22:04.05 | abrotman | Mark17: that's a bit vague .. |
| 22:04.10 | mech422 | wow - the timeout in apt-listbugs is waaaay too long |
| 22:04.24 | Jabka | how can i get the data from a file by using hd ? |
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| 22:04.32 | JoshJ | http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9776/screenshotxo4.png <-- I ran into this problem after an automatic update, what exactly could cause it? My swap partition was set up by the debian installer so I don't really see why it wouldn't work :\ |
| 22:04.33 | Jabka | (not mounted system) |
| 22:04.39 | zamaliphe | centrx: how could you find it ?? |
| 22:05.05 | zamaliphe | centrx: can you tel me the pkg name ?PLEASES |
| 22:05.06 | centrx | zamaliphe add "contrib" to the end of the line in your sources.list |
| 22:05.13 | centrx | after where it says "main" |
| 22:05.28 | yoshio | geo-rge: bluetooth http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/20/1436253 |
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| 22:05.39 | centrx | zamaliphe add non-free too |
| 22:05.54 | mfrisch | yoshio: his pc might not support bluetooth |
| 22:06.12 | cheeseboy | wats the default browser fordebian? |
| 22:06.28 | mfrisch | cheeseboy: w3m |
| 22:06.35 | streuner | well, there are a number of browsers in debian |
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| 22:06.53 | streuner | but most people prefer modern browsers like firefox (iceweasel) |
| 22:07.21 | JoshJ | epiphany is the "default" |
| 22:07.39 | mfrisch | joshj for gnome yes |
| 22:07.44 | JoshJ | well, debian is gnome by default |
| 22:07.44 | streuner | cheeseboy: there is no default browser |
| 22:07.54 | streuner | no |
| 22:08.00 | JoshJ | well, if you use the netinst cd install |
| 22:08.01 | mfrisch | joshj it is? |
| 22:08.03 | abrotman | there is no default browser .. at all |
| 22:08.06 | streuner | there is also no default DE as well |
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| 22:08.29 | mfrisch | abrotman: w3m is on base. its the only one. |
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| 22:08.49 | abrotman | w3m isn't in base |
| 22:08.51 | Mark17 | abrotman: i need to add 60 ip's to a single server and to do it manually isn't really a nice idea :( |
| 22:08.51 | JoshJ | streuner, i definitely didn't get a choice between GNOME and KDE, it went to gnome by default, though i guess the actual default would be "command line" |
| 22:08.52 | zamaliphe | centrx: ok i did that |
| 22:09.07 | yoshio | geo-rge: http://tuxmobil.org/phones_linux.html -- http://tuxmobil.org/phones_survey_motorola.html |
| 22:09.08 | abrotman | Mark17: you mean .. you need to add them as aliased IPs to your NIC ? |
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| 22:09.14 | cheeseboy | does sarge not have synaptic? |
| 22:09.21 | Pupeno2 | How do I run a program as a particular user when it's shell is /bin/false? |
| 22:09.21 | abrotman | yes it does |
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| 22:09.30 | cheeseboy | where |
| 22:09.31 | cheeseboy | ? |
| 22:09.34 | Mark17 | yes |
| 22:09.54 | abrotman | Mark17: you mean wihtout typing it all in to the interfaces file ? |
| 22:09.56 | Thundercloud | Anyone active familiar with mtp device handling on amarok? |
| 22:09.58 | Mark17 | they are all aliased ips to a single nic (the server has 1 nic) |
| 22:10.04 | Mark17 | if possible |
| 22:10.13 | n3kl | how can I disallow root access by password but allow it by key, while at the same time allowing all other user accounts password and key login? |
| 22:10.22 | abrotman | Mark17: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 22:10.23 | Thundercloud | For some reason amarok just decides to stop sending files to an MTP device I have every now and again |
| 22:10.27 | Thundercloud | And I haven't a clue how to get it back |
| 22:10.30 | \amethyst | Pupeno2: as root, su -s '/bin/bash' user |
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| 22:12.11 | roe__ | how do I find out the package owner of an executable? |
| 22:12.24 | yoshio | joshj: did you use the swapon command? |
| 22:12.33 | abrotman | roe__: dpkg -S <file> |
| 22:12.42 | JoshJ | yoshio, no? |
| 22:12.45 | abrotman | like dpkg -S bin/ls |
| 22:12.49 | JoshJ | i sort of expected the system to handle swap itself |
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| 22:19.47 | yoshio | joshj: i searched on "uswsusp debian swap", and found these: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg316556.html http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/u/uswsusp/uswsusp_0.3~cvs20060928-6/changelog http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070316.230052.ded1e68c.en.html http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070316.114422.20791464.en.html |
| 22:20.27 | JoshJ | allright, thanks |
| 22:20.30 | JoshJ | i'll look into that stuff |
| 22:20.57 | zamaliphe | i need to install the nvidia 1.0-9631 driver from debian but i cant find it even in unstable ?? if any one know the bkg name pleases tel me case i have tired of search |
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| 22:21.38 | geo-rge | zamaliphe: that question was answered an hour ago |
| 22:21.39 | mfrisch | zamaliphe: use module-assistant grap which one you want build the deb |
| 22:21.46 | wols | is there a nice alarmclock for debian? |
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| 22:21.59 | mfrisch | wols: cron? |
| 22:22.11 | geo-rge | wols: yeah,,, it's called crontab -e :) |
| 22:22.13 | \amethyst | at might be better |
| 22:22.19 | streuner | wols: sanduhr ;-) |
| 22:22.20 | nick_fn | where could I learn when linux 2.6.19 or 2.6.20 will be available as a source package? |
| 22:22.25 | \amethyst | for single-shot alarms |
| 22:22.29 | geo-rge | it even emails you when it goes off,,, how's THAT? |
| 22:22.59 | wols | the adjective "nice" exclused cron, sorry :P |
| 22:23.11 | streuner | !info sanduhr |
| 22:23.13 | wols | I need one which is very very obnoxious |
| 22:23.16 | geo-rge | wols: man nice for details on that |
| 22:23.19 | dpkg | sanduhr: (An alarm clock designed as an hourglass), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.0-7 (sid), Packaged size: 454 kB, Installed size: 924 kB |
| 22:23.21 | wols | no music rubbish :) |
| 22:23.31 | mfrisch | !grandfaterclock |
| 22:23.37 | mfrisch | !grandfatherclock |
| 22:23.46 | wols | streuner: 900kB for an alarm? ouch! |
| 22:23.51 | wols | but then, it's gnome |
| 22:24.03 | geo-rge | that's why cron is an option :P |
| 22:24.19 | geo-rge | it's already running, so it adds ZERO |
| 22:24.21 | mfrisch | wols: there is a grandfatherclock something if you just want sound |
| 22:24.25 | wols | streuner: "10.4 MB of diskspace will be used" :) |
| 22:24.41 | \amethyst | wols: echo "aumix -v 100; aumix -w 100; play foghorn.au" | at 6:30 |
| 22:24.42 | streuner | wols: there is one nice in KDE |
| 22:24.56 | wols | streuner: from scylla to charybdis :P |
| 22:25.02 | geo-rge | wols: cheap these days, except if you can write code |
| 22:25.05 | \amethyst | wols: that was my alarm clock when I was an undergrad |
| 22:25.07 | zamaliphe | geo-rge: will i still have the same problime and cant find the pkg name i know how to install the driver if it is on debian ? |
| 22:25.23 | streuner | !info kalarm |
| 22:25.27 | dpkg | kalarm: (KDE alarm message, command and email scheduler), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5.dfsg.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 658 kB, Installed size: 1888 kB |
| 22:26.33 | wols | hehe. trust kde to use up even more than gnome :P |
| 22:26.33 | zamaliphe | mfrisch: thanks for answer but that didnot help |
| 22:26.33 | geo-rge | zamaliphe: so how did you respond to the earlier answer? |
| 22:26.36 | streuner | wols: dude, you should look at kalarm - its really pretty nice with everything you need |
| 22:26.37 | geo-rge | zamaliphe: if that didnot help, then you didnot try it :) |
| 22:26.46 | mfrisch | zamaliphe: you can tell m-a which package to use man it |
| 22:27.04 | geo-rge | but I digress... there are two different solutions on the floor atm |
| 22:27.13 | yoshio | zamaliphe: go to http://packages.debian.org/ , set options (like stable/testing/sid), and search |
| 22:27.20 | zamaliphe | geo-rge: i did but i dont know the bkg name |
| 22:27.32 | geo-rge | what did you do? |
| 22:28.13 | zamaliphe | yoshio: i did that also and i coldent find that pkg |
| 22:28.22 | geo-rge | you repeated your question, so I assume the answer to that is "nothing yet", which means you need to take in the new info from an hour ago and apply it |
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| 22:29.31 | geo-rge | zamaliphe: probably the package name has nvidia in it, you can search many ways |
| 22:29.39 | zamaliphe | geo-rge: if you know the nvidia 1.0-9631 debian pkg name pleases tel me it case i cant find in debian any where |
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| 22:30.13 | geo-rge | have you added contrib to your sources? |
| 22:30.27 | geo-rge | (that was one thing suggested to you an hour ago) |
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| 22:31.35 | streuner | zamaliphe: /msg dpkg info nvidia-glx experimental |
| 22:31.41 | geo-rge | zamaliphe: I can't do everything or even most things for you, no. you'll have to use this as an opportunity to learn some of the background of linux so that you gain your own capability due to gaining knowledge |
| 22:31.49 | zamaliphe | geo-rge: i did find an nvidia driver but i cant use it case it doesn't support my VGA card that is why I'm taring to find the nvidia 1.0-9631 any where |
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| 22:33.02 | streuner | zamaliphe: how about to make a backport of that? |
| 22:33.08 | streuner | zamaliphe: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:33.28 | TonyStark | good evening to all |
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| 22:33.53 | mfrisch | Mr Stark |
| 22:33.57 | TonyStark | I?'m apt-get dist-upgrade'ing and it cannot locate bugs.donarmstrong.com.. anybody knows? |
| 22:34.23 | cheeseboy | wats -f? |
| 22:34.29 | streuner | the server seems to be down at the moment, so just wait |
| 22:34.32 | cheeseboy | for apt |
| 22:34.44 | zamaliphe | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:34.47 | geo-rge | man apt |
| 22:34.49 | geo-rge | and see |
| 22:34.55 | TonyStark | streuner, ok, thanks (no other server available?) |
| 22:34.56 | streuner | zamaliphe: ok, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:35.21 | omg0 | bzed: its finally done. xserver-xorg postinst warning: Migrating xserver-xfree86 debconf values |
| 22:35.21 | omg0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.21 | omg0 | dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; |
| 22:35.21 | omg0 | xserver-xorg/config/monitor/identifier not set. Aborting. Reconfigure the X |
| 22:35.21 | omg0 | server with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to correct this problem. |
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| 22:35.25 | streuner | hm |
| 22:35.40 | streuner | TonyStark: no idea |
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| 22:35.50 | TonyStark | streuner, thanks |
| 22:35.53 | geo-rge | there are pastebins for that :) |
| 22:36.13 | omg0 | sorry pasted the wrong text |
| 22:36.25 | streuner | zamaliphe: and use experimental as source, but only for nvidia-glx ;-) |
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| 22:37.05 | potolo | Would it be a serious breach of etiquette and courtesy to contact a pkg maintainer, e.g for ssh or whatever, directly thru the IRC nickname cited in the developer database for him, if one wanted to ask him about a technical problem related to the package with helpful traces etc. ? :-/ |
| 22:37.35 | potolo | Thoughts? |
| 22:37.57 | geo-rge | potolo: sure, call away... if that doesn't work, email <package-name>@packages.debian.org |
| 22:38.42 | geo-rge | where you substitute the name of the package in question for <package-name> |
| 22:38.47 | bzed | omg0: use a pastebin. you should know that |
| 22:38.57 | potolo | geo-rge: I got that ;) |
| 22:39.05 | bzed | !tell omg0 about drxx |
| 22:39.15 | geo-rge | you never know among this crowd :) |
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| 22:39.23 | zamaliphe | streuner: but experimental has only the 1.0.9746-2 pkg which i cant use |
| 22:39.27 | potolo | :) |
| 22:39.30 | omg0 | bzed. I didn't mean to paste that there |
| 22:39.31 | geo-rge | very definitely runs the gamut :) |
| 22:39.37 | streuner | zamaliphe: why's that? |
| 22:39.40 | zamaliphe | !info nvidia-glx experimental |
| 22:39.42 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.9746-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 4103 kB, Installed size: 13048 kB |
| 22:39.55 | omg0 | bzed: should I still run: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:40.07 | zamaliphe | streuner: case it dosn't support my card |
| 22:40.18 | bzed | omg0: yes |
| 22:40.33 | zamaliphe | streuner: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9631/README/appendix-a.html |
| 22:40.36 | streuner | zamaliphe: heh, and which one of the version does support your videocard? |
| 22:40.36 | bzed | omg0: let it do what it needs, although be prepared to be on a colsole after that |
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| 22:40.46 | Neaai | hello all. Is there any rtsp server in debian ? |
| 22:40.54 | bzed | omg0: you'll ahve to fix your X config by running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then |
| 22:40.59 | geo-rge | wats rtsp |
| 22:41.04 | johngalt | I just completed the cd portion of the net install for stable. When the machine rebooted and went to install more packages dns failed to resolve names so it cant find the packages file. ip's ping fine, names fail to resolve. what should I look at? |
| 22:41.25 | zamaliphe | streuner: my card is nvidia gforce mx 4000 |
| 22:41.28 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.34 | bzed | geo-rge: realtimestreamingprotocol |
| 22:41.53 | geo-rge | ahh, I'm not familiar with that |
| 22:42.01 | zamaliphe | streuner: i can only install ver 1.0-9631 |
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| 22:42.11 | bzed | !tell Neaai about debian-multimedia |
| 22:42.14 | johngalt | gep-rge: did that, all nameservers are valid |
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| 22:42.37 | geo-rge | johngalt: ok, can you ping (say) yahoo.com? |
| 22:42.40 | Neaai | geo-rge: it is a streaming protocol for video and audio |
| 22:42.40 | bzed | Neaai: add their sources to your sources.list and have a look at mpeg4ip-server |
| 22:43.15 | johngalt | geo-rge: by ip yes, by name no |
| 22:43.23 | geo-rge | Neaai: my guess (totally uneducated tho!) is yes, if it's dfsg-free |
| 22:43.40 | geo-rge | johngalt: ok, that's the problem you need to solve |
| 22:43.41 | abrotman | johngalt: is your NIC configured correctly? |
| 22:43.49 | geo-rge | you need to be able to ping by name |
| 22:44.30 | geo-rge | then apt would work proplerly |
| 22:44.30 | geo-rge | otoh |
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| 22:44.30 | Neaai | bzed: geo-rge: thanks for the info |
| 22:44.30 | geo-rge | you could put the IP where the source is |
| 22:44.30 | johngalt | yes, checked the ip, subnet mask and broadcast addy |
| 22:44.39 | streuner | knusper:/# zgrep 4000 /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz |
| 22:44.44 | geo-rge | if it's not dfsg-free, then my guess is "maybe" :) |
| 22:44.48 | streuner | GeForce4 MX 4000 0x0185 |
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| 22:45.30 | streuner | zamaliphe: and that's unstable |
| 22:45.31 | bzed | Neaai: np. I think the vlc can stream video, too. but the debian-multimedia stuff is probably a bit better as a real server. there's also the quicktime streaming server form apple, you can download the sources and build it as far as I remember |
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| 22:45.38 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx sid |
| 22:45.40 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (sid), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 22:45.43 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx etch |
| 22:45.46 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 22:45.49 | geo-rge | johngalt: it seems your physical connection is working... |
| 22:45.58 | yoshio | johngalt: what does "grep host /etc/nsswitch.conf" say? |
| 22:46.03 | bzed | streuner: what are you looking for? |
| 22:46.15 | streuner | zamaliphe: both are equal so why the hell it shouldn't support your videocard? |
| 22:46.24 | geo-rge | make sure your dns resolution is working, things should work fine then |
| 22:46.40 | streuner | zamaliphe: even the version in etch supports that |
| 22:47.08 | bzed | ah |
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| 22:47.25 | Neaai | bzed: I see. I saw VLC has the "rtp" entry when selecting how to stream. But is that the same as "rtsp"? |
| 22:47.53 | zamaliphe | streuner: yes but i have beryl and i have some bugs that driver should solve them |
| 22:48.00 | bzed | Neaai: I guess. I'd say.. RTFM |
| 22:48.08 | bzed | !tell zamaliphe about nvidia_experimental |
| 22:48.40 | streuner | prolly somebody else told him, use a special version in order to run beryl in debian :-) |
| 22:48.55 | bzed | streuner: no, you need the 1.0.9xxx for aixgl |
| 22:49.07 | Neaai | bzed: i will. I just am completely at these things and thought of getting a direction where to go, that's all. |
| 22:49.18 | Neaai | (completely new) |
| 22:49.19 | streuner | great, but he told me the version in experimental isn't right too :-) |
| 22:49.35 | bzed | Neaai: I'd use the stuff from debian-multimedia, the packages are good usually |
| 22:49.52 | bzed | streuner: it is, I'm using that :P (although it's probably nto the totally latest uber cool one) |
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| 22:50.31 | streuner | zamaliphe: you heard what bzed told us... |
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| 22:51.15 | zamaliphe | streuner: yes |
| 22:51.28 | zamaliphe | bzed: thanks |
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| 22:54.02 | bzed | zamaliphe: http://bzed.de/debian/howtos/nvidia_experimental I've added some stuff about aixgl |
| 22:54.42 | streuner | just get a normal videocard which support 3D out of the box :-) |
| 22:54.44 | bzed | zamaliphe: that's how it works for me (TM). if something does not work for you, please let me know how to fix the howto :) |
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| 22:54.55 | johngalt | geo-rge: any paticular line of interest...not exactly easy to cut and paste the file to pastebin |
| 22:54.58 | streuner | without that non-free crap :-) |
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| 22:55.22 | mech422 | Hmm - it appears x.org includes a freetype module - does this mean I don't need xfstt ? |
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| 22:55.40 | eilker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.53 | eilker | my host will be my pc |
| 22:55.57 | mfrisch | xfstt is for xfs the x font server |
| 22:56.06 | bzed | streuner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Graphics_Project |
| 22:56.15 | rahul | haha xfstt |
| 22:56.20 | rahul | blast from the past. |
| 22:56.23 | mech422 | mfrisch: right - is that required for truetype support with x.org ? |
| 22:56.25 | bzed | mech422: yes. no need for that anymore |
| 22:56.31 | mech422 | ahh - thanks |
| 22:56.38 | mech422 | haven't run debian on the desktop in years |
| 22:56.39 | rahul | mech422: you haven't needed xfstt for about 4 years |
| 22:56.44 | wols | eilker: domain without host? |
| 22:56.47 | mfrisch | mech422: only if your serving fonts to other machines ;-) |
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| 22:57.02 | streuner | bzed: cool |
| 22:57.06 | rahul | you don't need xfstt to serve to other machines. normal xfs works. |
| 22:57.21 | CJLucas | if there is two versions of a program in the unstable tree, how do i choose which one i want to download? |
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| 22:57.22 | mech422 | hehe - this is why I like my headless servers :-P |
| 22:57.31 | eilker | wols: my pc will be the host |
| 22:57.31 | yoshio | potolo: http://developer.kde.org/joining/firststepsaccount.php - did you read the "Changed URL" section? |
| 22:57.35 | mech422 | so now I'll go uninstall xfstt |
| 22:57.37 | wols | eilker: a single mailserver can accept mail for many many hosts |
| 22:57.47 | bzed | streuner: I hope they'll come out with something good, as long as it can compare a bit with my nvidia I'm willing to pay the double price |
| 22:58.10 | wols | however, how will the other mailservers out there that mail for foo, bar and baz all need to be delivered to your PC? |
| 22:58.27 | mech422 | I'm running etch w/KDE - any other 'desktopy' things I should look at installing? I read something about 'composites' with X.org - is that of any use for a general desktop machine ? |
| 22:58.29 | potolo | yoshio: read it all more than once :) I'll go refresh my memory of that section now |
| 22:58.49 | potolo | mech422: yes but a) slow b) crash-y. but ...pretty |
| 22:58.50 | eilker | wols: for example my domain www.wols.com , will i have mail adresses like x@wols.com , y@wols.com etc ? |
| 22:59.07 | mfrisch | potolo: what you developing anyways? |
| 22:59.10 | eilker | wols: bar baz ? |
| 22:59.26 | wols | yes you will |
| 22:59.36 | potolo | yoshio: yep, I remember that part. I get the permission denied when I try to svn switch the urls, too. :) |
| 22:59.42 | wols | but how will other mailservers know that your PC serves wols.com as a mailserver? |
| 22:59.59 | abrotman | magic! |
| 23:00.02 | omg0 | bzed: I got some errors on the dist update: http://pastebin.ca/409845 |
| 23:00.04 | potolo | mfrisch: i've a small involvement with blog clients, kde. that area. |
| 23:00.05 | mfrisch | eilker: you have a open port 25? |
| 23:00.36 | mfrisch | potolo: I'm like knewsticker. |
| 23:00.37 | eilker | wols: i dont know ? how would other mail servers would know it if my mail server was in a data center ? |
| 23:00.52 | eilker | mfrisch> nope it is closed at the moment |
| 23:00.53 | potolo | mfrisch: Really? Cool. |
| 23:00.54 | wols | DNS entries |
| 23:01.33 | eilker | wols: i am gonna use , vhost (in apache) |
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| 23:01.49 | mfrisch | potolo: I like the headline affect |
| 23:01.59 | wols | that doesnt answer my question |
| 23:02.04 | mina_linux_Tux | scared: i want to know how to resolve it , and if i'm right, if there is a adodb.in.php specially for php5 , or is the thing i have to let it point to the path of adodb, is php.ini or what ?http://pastebin.ca/409747 |
| 23:02.09 | mfrisch | eilker: I mean will your ISP let you to other email servers? |
| 23:02.12 | potolo | I'd have uploaded an app to /playground/pim this weekend, but the Gods of SSH did not smile upon me. |
| 23:02.21 | potolo | mfrisch: g |
| 23:02.26 | mina_linux_Tux | hey ppl , i just upgraded my php4 to php5 after removing php4 , i'm using debian sarge as a distro and apache 1.3, also installed the libapache-mod-php5 after the upgrade and using dpkg-reconfigure php5 , i tried an application hosted on my local server as always i was doing with php4, i got the following error http://pastebin.ca/409747 i searched google didn't get any helpful info |
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| 23:02.39 | bzed | omg0: dpkg -P libsdl1.2debian-oss |
| 23:02.43 | abrotman | sarge doesnt' have php5 |
| 23:03.17 | eilker | mfrisch: i am totally stranger to mail servers,so that i am asking here , and i have a stupid isp, i dont know |
| 23:03.33 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: i did upgrade it to php5 |
| 23:03.42 | mfrisch | eilker: well usually unless you pay extra its not included |
| 23:03.53 | abrotman | how? |
| 23:04.02 | wols | mfrisch: depends |
| 23:04.08 | cheeseboy | how do i mount my pendrive?: |
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| 23:04.20 | mfrisch | wols: well in the states thats pretty standard |
| 23:04.27 | abrotman | !find share/adodb/adodb.inc.php sarge |
| 23:04.29 | potolo | cheeseboy: straddle? sorry couldn't resist |
| 23:04.37 | cheeseboy | ? |
| 23:04.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'share/adodb/adodb.inc.php' (1): (/usr/share/adodb/adodb.inc.php) in web/libphp-adodb. |
| 23:04.56 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: apt-get remove php4 , apt-get php5 from backports and used to dpkg-reconfigure php5 |
| 23:05.10 | bzed | mina_linux_Tux: that missing /usr/share/adodb/adodb.inc.php is not in debian |
| 23:05.12 | eilker | mfrisch> is it same if i would do this things in a vps which is in a data center ? |
| 23:05.20 | abrotman | bzed: check above . it's right there |
| 23:05.35 | mfrisch | eilker: I would hope not! |
| 23:05.39 | bzed | abrotman: ah, but it's not in etch |
| 23:05.44 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.45 | abrotman | perhaps not |
| 23:05.48 | omg0 | bzed: removal output: http://pastebin.ca/409848 |
| 23:05.50 | wols | eilker: no. the check for open port 25 wouldn't be the same. the rest would be mostly. but only if you have a static ip |
| 23:06.02 | wols | eilker: for what domain(s) do you want to receive mail? |
| 23:06.12 | potolo | eilker: on a vps you can run what you like, including a mailserver. but the more apps you run on your vps the more memory is used; generally RAM is the part of the vps you pay for |
| 23:06.20 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: then what to do ? |
| 23:06.28 | abrotman | install the package shown agove |
| 23:06.33 | cheeseboy | how do i mount my pendrive? |
| 23:06.33 | eilker | wols: i havent bought it yet |
| 23:06.36 | potolo | don't yahoo do business services for mail of some sort |
| 23:06.36 | bzed | omg0: ok let's do it the other way round: aptitude install libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 23:06.43 | mfrisch | potolo: vps? rentals? |
| 23:06.47 | bzed | !find share/adodb/adodb.inc.php etch |
| 23:06.53 | wols | eilker: do you have a static IP? |
| 23:07.00 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'share/adodb/adodb.inc.php' returned no results. |
| 23:07.12 | abrotman | it's in sarge! |
| 23:07.19 | wols | !tell cheeseboy about usb-storage |
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| 23:07.45 | Neaai | can anyone access the debian-multimedia.org site? I shows as if it's down to me. |
| 23:07.58 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: libphp-adodb ? |
| 23:08.02 | potolo | mfrisch: well I guess you could call them that. I have one (actually two, as I switched providers recently). I don't really stretch them much though |
| 23:08.12 | abrotman | try it |
| 23:08.15 | eilker | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.35 | bzed | Neaai: it worked a fwe hours ago. try it tomorrow or so |
| 23:08.47 | mech422 | so if x.org does TT 'natively' - anyone know why my fonts look like crud in Firefox (IceWeasel) ? I've installed dam near every latin/iso-8859 font I can find ? |
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| 23:09.30 | potolo | mech422: try the debian bitstream vera sans ones? I don't know. |
| 23:09.59 | Neaai | bzed: ok. I feared darkluck was following me and it's true it seems :D |
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| 23:12.13 | streuner | bzed: x300 and i945 does such things out of the box... |
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| 23:13.24 | streuner | bzed: well, the last videocard i had to buy at 'Bloedmarkt' and i needed that really quick ... |
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| 23:13.32 | phorce1 | Debian machine. /boot is mounted on a 2G /dev/sda1. Everything else (/) is mounted to /dev/sdb1. Is there a HowTo for what to exclude from a full tar of / if I want to yank out the /dev/sdb1 drive and replace it with a larger drive? |
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| 23:13.43 | Thaiger | OK, I built the prism2_usb driver for my linksys WUSB11 and I can modprobe the module, but it doesn't do anything and hotplug doesn't seem to care about it when its plugged in or removed. What did I miss? |
| 23:14.06 | phorce1 | I think this particular machine is still Sarge but I will probably do an Etch upgrade before the swap. |
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| 23:14.12 | streuner | bzed: i still use 'nv'... |
| 23:14.20 | mech422 | phorce: /proc at least :-P |
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| 23:14.44 | phorce1 | mech422: what if I like infinite recursions? |
| 23:15.01 | phorce1 | ;-) |
| 23:15.01 | mech422 | phorce1: then by all means have at it :-) |
| 23:15.15 | mech422 | phorce1: fractal backups - could be a new art form... |
| 23:15.17 | Wyzard | phorce1: 2GB for /boot is ridiculous |
| 23:15.20 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: hey i installed libphp-adodb , and the error changed to this one http://pastebin.ca/409862 |
| 23:15.32 | Wyzard | phorce1: My /boot contains 15MB of files |
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| 23:15.44 | phyber | so, is anyone here part of the CUPS package team? |
| 23:15.53 | phyber | it's quite piss poor in etch from my past 15 mins of experience. |
| 23:16.03 | streuner | haha |
| 23:16.11 | potolo | well that's certainly enough time to appraise it |
| 23:16.12 | mfrisch | phyber: no. whats it not doing |
| 23:16.15 | phyber | either that, or cups itself is just totally broken and a new package is needed :) |
| 23:16.19 | phorce1 | Wyzard: it's a separate drive. No use for the space otherwise. Sometimes I toss files I'd like to be sure I never lose on it but, yeah, anly about 10M used. |
| 23:16.33 | abrotman | php5-mysql |
| 23:16.37 | phyber | potolo: it sure is, in slackware I'd be shouting at windows printer drivers by now instead! |
| 23:16.37 | streuner | CUPS is always broken, so don't worry ;-) |
| 23:16.53 | mfrisch | hplip is fun too |
| 23:16.53 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: which means no adodb works now |
| 23:17.10 | abrotman | php5-mysql |
| 23:17.28 | phyber | anyway, it's wanting to redirect to a HTTPS page for /admin when making a change. I remove the line that requires encryption. so, it shouldn't do that. (yes, I've retstarted and sop/started it many times). |
| 23:17.42 | bzed | streuner: that won't work with some recent cards unfortunately |
| 23:17.46 | phyber | and even IF I had left that in, the package didn't set itself up with an SSL listener or the certs needed to do that. |
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| 23:18.28 | phyber | (not that i can't add them, but if it's using them by default, the package should enable that stuff) |
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| 23:19.37 | kraypius | which image should I install for an amd if I want the latest stable release and 64 bit kernel? |
| 23:20.28 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 23:20.29 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 23:20.32 | yoshio | potolo: ssh has a "-i" parameter to tell it which key to use |
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| 23:20.51 | potolo | yoshio: tried that :D |
| 23:21.03 | yoshio | Thaiger: does iwconfig see the card? |
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| 23:21.41 | potolo | and ssh-add and chmodding /dev/tty and other things suggested online. |
| 23:21.43 | Thaiger__ | yoshio: No |
| 23:21.58 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: where can i find php.ini under sarge |
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| 23:22.11 | mfrisch | chmoding /dev/tty ? |
| 23:22.23 | abrotman | mina_linux_Tux: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 23:22.31 | omg0 | bzed: it installed without error |
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| 23:23.41 | mfrisch | potolo: it really should not be this hard to connect..I'm sure any ssh client and svn would work. Why have a site that did not? |
| 23:24.02 | potolo | mfrisch: one of the medium level bizarre thing suggested to fix an ssh connection issue (#666). the most odd suggestion was it might be down to an "unclean terminal", where the prompt has been customized from the default which interferes with ssh. so they said. |
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| 23:25.09 | potolo | mfrisch: Don't know. :-/ There's a lot of reports of the same error online, none of the fixes worked though. And, of course, there are bugs open in the ssh packages in Debian that are five years old; usual. |
| 23:25.20 | bzed | omg0: try aptitude dist-upgrade again please |
| 23:25.27 | yoshio | Thaiger: does '/sbin/lsmod |grep 802' show anything? Do you have the hermes module loaded, or orinoco? |
| 23:25.54 | mfrisch | potolo: login your shell controll your prompt. issue motd. |
| 23:26.32 | streuner | bzed: well, i usually just buy hardware which is supported |
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| 23:27.02 | potolo | mfrisch: a pithy quote always saves the day |
| 23:27.37 | bzed | streuner: yeah, but even some olde rmodels dont; seem to work well with nv |
| 23:28.32 | streuner | bzed: its no big deal to sell those and buy some other stuff |
| 23:28.37 | mfrisch | potolo: its no quote. I am only trying to say maybe try sh instead of bash if there is a issue ;-) |
| 23:28.42 | yoshio | Thaiger: does dmesg show any lines if the device is added/removed? does lsusb or 'cat /proc/bus/usb/devices' show the device? |
| 23:29.12 | bzed | streuner: true. |
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| 23:29.20 | bzed | http://amayita.livejournal.com/91005.html <<<< that TOTALLY made my day. |
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| 23:30.05 | streuner | haha |
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| 23:31.07 | bzed | streuner: you should read the thread. troll++ |
| 23:31.27 | RichiH | where do i/aspell save their wordlists? |
| 23:31.48 | streuner | bzed: iam subscribed to debian-project ... |
| 23:32.38 | bzed | streuner: ah ok :) |
| 23:32.47 | samu1 | i would like to be able to view this page http://www.kbps.co.uk in iceweasel, It relies on java. I have java-common installed. Which package do i need please? |
| 23:33.18 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: what i have to do with php5-mysql , must i add an extension for that in the php.ini file ? |
| 23:33.25 | abrotman | instal it ? |
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| 23:34.27 | kraypius | there is no AMD 64 release for 3.1 r5 ? |
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| 23:35.15 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: install what |
| 23:36.11 | abrotman | php5-mysql |
| 23:36.21 | abrotman | kraypius: ask #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:36.51 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: what's the name of the package that i have to install ? |
| 23:37.00 | karsten | !tell mina_linux_Tux about search |
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| 23:37.05 | abrotman | php5-mysql |
| 23:37.21 | kraypius | k |
| 23:37.21 | pete_ | hello, this is pete from nice germany, is this channel about all version of deb? |
| 23:37.29 | potolo | samu1: honestly I'd just install the sun java packages from http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org, and/or http://www.debian-multimedia.org if I were you |
| 23:37.51 | bzed | kraypius: http://amd64.debian.net |
| 23:37.55 | mfrisch | hi pete I don't think germany was ever nice |
| 23:37.57 | Thaiger | yoshio: No, no modules loads unless I load prism2_usb by hand and I get p80211 and one other |
| 23:38.10 | Thaiger | yoshio: and dmesg just shoes the plug, and lsusb shows the device ID |
| 23:38.18 | streuner | mfrisch: how many times do yo were in germany? |
| 23:38.27 | karsten | pete_: It's a Debian support channel. Debian is on topic, other distros (including Debian derivatives) aren't. |
| 23:38.41 | bzed | streuner: what shall we do with this drunken mfrisch ? |
| 23:38.49 | pete_ | ok, i understand |
| 23:38.57 | karsten | bzed: Put 'im in the scuppers with a hosepipe on him. |
| 23:38.59 | streuner | well, invite him to see some nice things? ;-) |
| 23:39.04 | abrotman | pete_: what do you mean all versions ? |
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| 23:39.09 | abrotman | !de |
| 23:39.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 23:39.17 | mfrisch | streuner: 0 enough....I have friends from there. |
| 23:39.33 | bzed | mfrisch: seems they live at pretty boring places :P |
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| 23:39.47 | samu1 | potolo what is the name of the package please? |
| 23:40.03 | pete_ | abrotman: sid, sarge, etch and so on... |
| 23:40.07 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:40.51 | pete_ | so i have a little question about locales in etch, v4.0... |
| 23:42.01 | pete_ | the first time i installed debian i selected for dpkg-reconfigure locales de_DE@euro..., now i want to go to UTF-8 |
| 23:42.17 | karsten | pete_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:42.22 | mfrisch | so reconfigure it to that |
| 23:42.27 | karsten | pete_: Just run it. |
| 23:42.37 | bzed | as root |
| 23:42.37 | potolo | samu1: sun-java5-bin, sun-java5-fonts, sun-java5-jre, sun-java5-plugin. |
| 23:42.59 | potolo | samu1: Maybe not the fonts one so much. But it's good to be thorough. |
| 23:43.19 | samu1 | thanks |
| 23:43.29 | potolo | samu1: welcome. |
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| 23:45.03 | fsniper | can anybody help me to create a source package? |
| 23:45.23 | fsniper | i'm tring to package pgcluster-1.7 |
| 23:45.39 | yoshio | Thaiger: put the following into /etc/network/interfaces: iface wlan0 inet dhcp (newline) wireless_mode managed (newline) wireless_essid any |
| 23:45.45 | fsniper | using postgresql-8.2.3 package as a base |
| 23:46.17 | potolo | fsniper: the new maintainers guide document on debian.org will run you through it |
| 23:46.48 | fsniper | potolo: i've read it twice or more :( |
| 23:47.00 | potolo | fsniper: ah. |
| 23:47.04 | yoshio | Thaiger: next stanza: same thing, but put "eth1" instead of "wlan0", then try /sbin/iwconfig again. If that doesn't work, try "ifup wlan0; ifup eth1", then try iwconfig again |
| 23:47.52 | fsniper | potolo: if i patch martin pitt's postgresql packadge dpkg-buildpackage runs flawlessly |
| 23:48.48 | fsniper | potolo: but if i clean up package install files from it and create one for myself. dh_install fails saying debian/tmp/bla bla not found |
| 23:48.51 | yoshio | Thaiger: do you have the package linux-wlan-ng installed? |
| 23:49.09 | fsniper | potolo: cause files are installed in debian/pgcluster-1.7 |
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| 23:50.09 | bzed | fsniper: you could just extract the original source and run dh_make in the directory |
| 23:50.09 | yoshio | Thaiger: does /sbin/ifconfig -a show the nic? |
| 23:50.29 | bzed | fsniper: choose cdbs as build system and google for a howto on it. |
| 23:50.40 | bzed | fsniper: it does most things on it's own |
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| 23:51.14 | fsniper | bzed: thanks. i tried it with no luck. Also there is a package fitting as a good base |
| 23:51.24 | phorce1 | I've asked this before but still haven't found anything. Is there documentation/packages for setting up my own DYNDNS type client/server DNS? I'd like to be able to DYNDNS style name serving on my own domains without having to pay someone else or use their free domian names. |
| 23:51.31 | khermans | is there a consensus on the fastest file system for linux with maybe fewer features? |
| 23:52.21 | khermans | i dont need to do things like chattr, which ext3 supports |
| 23:53.14 | bzed | khermans: if something without journaling would be ok (for example for a mail spool) use ext2 |
| 23:53.44 | abrotman | is there an application for opening DWF in linux ? |
| 23:53.48 | bzed | khermans: for anything else I'd use ext3 and update it to ext4 as soon as that is stable |
| 23:53.55 | khermans | bzed, so what kind of speed improvements would this have? |
| 23:54.03 | bzed | abrotman: that's a vector format, right? |
| 23:54.12 | bzed | khermans: ext2? |
| 23:54.16 | abrotman | it's AutoCAD afaik |
| 23:54.22 | bzed | abrotman: try inkscape |
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| 23:54.32 | khermans | abrotman, maybe qcad ? |
| 23:54.33 | abrotman | bzed: it's a proprietary format |
| 23:54.36 | abrotman | khermans: nope |
| 23:54.44 | abrotman | khermans: it says the file perms are wrong :) |
| 23:54.52 | bzed | abrotman: but it's text, you can edit it in vi, so inkscape could work ;) |
| 23:55.05 | abrotman | uhm ... |
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| 23:55.45 | abrotman | bzed: http://www.mbcomp.com/Swatara/swatara2.dwf |
| 23:55.47 | abrotman | have fun :) |
| 23:56.07 | Thaiger | yoshio: I built the linux-wlan-ng package and ifconfig -a doesn't show it |
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| 23:56.53 | Thaiger | yoshio: I've also previously used the linux-wlan-ng package for a pcmcia nic |
| 23:56.57 | khermans | abrotman, soon -> http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/compare.php |
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| 23:57.25 | bzed | abrotman: http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/compare.php |
| 23:57.44 | abrotman | soon doesn't help! |
| 23:57.51 | potolo | abrotman: looks like the linux mapviewer can read them too http://mapguide.osgeo.org/gettingstarted.html ? |
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| 23:58.45 | khermans | abrotman, well there are tons of shareware products that can convert for windows |
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| 23:58.56 | khermans | abrotman, install latest wine and try the sharewares |
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| 23:59.56 | khermans | bzed, so can i used ext2 for my / -- what would the downside be? |
