| 00:00.12 | potolo | Can OpenOffice writer open/embed them, too? |
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| 00:00.17 | khermans | all that i lose is data that was being written is not recovered right? |
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| 00:00.46 | bzed | khermans: not having a journal, and you need to fschk with every reboot |
| 00:01.08 | bzed | khermans: just use ext3, except you have a UPS, then you can think about reiser or xfs |
| 00:01.11 | khermans | bzed, oh right |
| 00:01.33 | khermans | i use XFS all the time on my servers |
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| 00:01.58 | khermans | eh, ill just go with ext3 |
| 00:02.05 | khermans | i was also considering JFS |
| 00:02.06 | abrotman | i just want to know what idiot would put a map in DWF |
| 00:02.11 | iamtheric | zfs ftw! |
| 00:02.14 | Miles_Prower | Khermans: i was thinking of doing that too. |
| 00:02.29 | Miles_Prower | Khermans: using xfs when i reformat my drives to expand the softraid to 1.2tb |
| 00:02.37 | Miles_Prower | right now it's 600gb in ext3 |
| 00:02.44 | khermans | hehe |
| 00:02.55 | iamtheric | zfs > ext3 |
| 00:02.55 | potolo | abrotman: seems they're ideally suited for the format. I hadn't heard of it b4 you mentioned it though anyhow. |
| 00:03.09 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 00:04.36 | khermans | iamtheric, zfs is not in linux kernel yet |
| 00:04.37 | bzed | abrotman: ad again I see HOW FUCKING MUCH autocad and co suck |
| 00:04.56 | bzed | Miles_Prower: do you have a UPS? |
| 00:04.57 | abrotman | potolo: while that app looks to do it .. the build requirements are horrible |
| 00:04.58 | mech422 | whoever posted the link about the notable contributions of 2006 needs to restore my productivity ASAP |
| 00:05.02 | abrotman | bzed: yes :) |
| 00:05.19 | mech422 | the thread is HUGE :-P But funny .... |
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| 00:05.37 | bzed | abrotman: I'm working as sysadmin at the dep. of architecture at my university... i could tell you stories... you'd just run away |
| 00:05.37 | potolo | abrotman: overkill yep |
| 00:05.48 | bzed | !slap mech422 |
| 00:05.54 | bzed | mech422: did that help? |
| 00:06.18 | abrotman | bzed: i used to work with capitol building historical committee .. i know about autocad :) |
| 00:06.22 | mech422 | wait ... I think so.... but now I have a headache :-P |
| 00:06.35 | bzed | *whisper* mech422 , you could follow the link to bugs.d.o somewhere in the thread and have fun for another hour |
| 00:06.36 | Miles_Prower | bzed: hell yes. only a moron doesn't. |
| 00:06.56 | Miles_Prower | bzed: every single pc in this world should be on one, at least for surge protection. |
| 00:06.56 | khermans | http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html |
| 00:07.04 | khermans | good article on file system comparisons |
| 00:07.10 | mech422 | bzed: Eeekk! |
| 00:07.13 | iamtheric | zfs zfs zfs |
| 00:07.15 | bzed | Miles_Prower: well, other filesystems don't crash badly if there's some hardware failure, xfs does... |
| 00:07.31 | iamtheric | zfs > * |
| 00:08.22 | potolo | abrotman: did you fill in the form to d/load the 'free' windows viewer, for testing w/wine, from autodesk's site? |
| 00:08.43 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:08.49 | Ciantic | How do I grep match lines *without* "[" or "]" char? |
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| 00:09.01 | bzed | abrotman: if it would be only autocad. we're dealing with all the stuff from bentley, nemetchek, sketchup and a lot of other shit which either has some fucked up way to deal with licenses or weird problems with dongles |
| 00:09.02 | abrotman | -v perhaps |
| 00:09.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:09.22 | eduhat | would it be worth it to upgrade to etch from sarge, im using it mainly for network security.. and wireless stuff? |
| 00:09.30 | abrotman | my dad has to use those dongles for his sailing/maping software |
| 00:09.44 | Ciantic | grep "\[" <-- but inversed |
| 00:09.49 | bzed | grep -v '[[]]' |
| 00:10.33 | Ciantic | oh, thanks; sorry abrotman I totally paged your answer, I thought it was not meant for me. |
| 00:10.36 | bzed | abrotman: first bug we ran into was that the license server software wasn't able to handle dongles with more than 20 licenses |
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| 00:10.52 | bzed | grep -v '[[]]' << Ciantic that was for you, too |
| 00:10.59 | eduhat | guys... would it be worth it to upgrade to etch from sarge? |
| 00:11.04 | Ciantic | I figure that out :) |
| 00:11.12 | bzed | eduhat: yes |
| 00:11.19 | bzed | !tell eduhat about sarge->etch |
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| 00:12.10 | pete__ | did you read my questions 10 minutes ago? |
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| 00:13.19 | eduhat | its upgrading as we speak |
| 00:13.27 | pete__ | @eduhat: surely... since i upgraded all my bluetooth stuff worked really well, for instance... |
| 00:13.50 | pete__ | oh yes, sorry |
| 00:13.53 | potolo | wish my etch installation worked really well. *tear |
| 00:14.15 | pete__ | @potolo: whats the problem? |
| 00:14.31 | potolo | pete__: just an ssh issue. it's all in hand though. |
| 00:15.01 | eduhat | guys, it has an error... something aboout unmet dependancies |
| 00:15.16 | potolo | abrotman: what's the dwf file you linked actually 'of', anyway? generally speaking |
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| 00:15.37 | abrotman | potolo: if i could open it .. i could tell you |
| 00:15.45 | mech422 | funny part is - I've never used cdrecord or cdrkit :-P |
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| 00:15.58 | abrotman | potolo: i believe it is a trail map for an old canal in SE/Central PA |
| 00:16.15 | pete__ | @potolo: ssh? i tried it some days ago, installed the ssh package and successfully logged into my machine from my girlfried ones... |
| 00:16.25 | pete__ | usinf putty for win32 |
| 00:16.43 | iamtheric | xwin32 |
| 00:16.50 | iamtheric | for xwindows ontop on windows |
| 00:17.27 | lunitik | !xwindows |
| 00:17.27 | dpkg | X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 00:17.27 | lunitik | grrrr |
| 00:17.37 | potolo | pete__: it works for me on some systems; just some servers there are problems with. |
| 00:17.57 | pete__ | potolo: report please! |
| 00:18.05 | iamtheric | huh? |
| 00:18.31 | iamtheric | x windowing system |
| 00:18.37 | potolo | pete__: permission denied (publickey) error. |
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| 00:19.01 | pete__ | potolo: let me saechs a whle |
| 00:19.04 | pete__ | +i |
| 00:19.17 | pete__ | -s+r |
| 00:19.34 | pete__ | sorry, some bottles to much :-) |
| 00:19.49 | potolo | pete__: honestly, I spent today trying things from Google. it's probably one of those things I'll have to contact the developers about. I appreciate the gesture though, thank you. |
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| 00:20.27 | pete__ | o, is this is your opinion... |
| 00:21.01 | bzed | abrotman: if you ask me next week I'll be able to convert it |
| 00:21.30 | potolo | pete__: well, I tried for 8hrs or so. but if you work out the cause of that error msg then feel free to share in the channel. |
| 00:21.36 | abrotman | bzed: i can get it at work .. i just don't want to reboot now ... |
| 00:21.48 | bzed | abrotman: ah ok |
| 00:22.25 | abrotman | bzed: and i still think it's stupid to have it in DWF |
| 00:22.34 | bzed | abrotman: are you into geocaching? at least that would be a good reasobn for looking at such stuff :P |
| 00:22.49 | abrotman | bzed: it's for biking |
| 00:23.30 | abrotman | bzed: i think it's a 40(?) mile trail from Reading to Harrisburg in Pennsylvania |
| 00:23.32 | pete__ | potolo: are u able to recall the error msg? it would help instantly... |
| 00:23.42 | abrotman | bzed: oh well .. |
| 00:24.13 | potolo | pete__: I said. "Permission denied (publickey)." |
| 00:24.20 | bzed | abrotman: ah ok. although dxf seems to be an interesting format, as you can enable.disable layers with sed ;) and with dxf2rad, you can feed it into radiance |
| 00:24.40 | abrotman | yeah .. oh well |
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| 00:24.44 | cheeseboy16 | hi |
| 00:24.44 | potolo | pete__: If you're really bored you can look at the verbose ssh output http://www.pastebin.ca/409780 |
| 00:24.58 | cheeseboy16 | im trying to get my wireless to work |
| 00:25.12 | cheeseboy16 | but its saying it insnt configured |
| 00:25.19 | cheeseboy16 | how do i fix it? |
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| 00:25.59 | amphi | cheeseboy16: does iwconfig show the interface? |
| 00:26.13 | wintix | !tell cheeseboy16 about ask |
| 00:26.18 | bzed | potolo: your key is broken |
| 00:26.25 | n3kl | Anyone know of an application similar to Reason for linux? |
| 00:26.49 | cheeseboy16 | amphi yes |
| 00:26.54 | potolo | bzed: that's a vague statement. |
| 00:27.00 | bzed | potolo: or.. hmm.. I think it's trying to use that key as rsa key |
| 00:27.52 | potolo | Oh the line 10 error. It says it's not an RSA1 file. Which is true. It's a DSA SSH2 keypair. |
| 00:27.53 | cheeseboy16 | what do i do? |
| 00:27.54 | amphi | cheeseboy16: so configure it with iwconfig (essid etc) |
| 00:28.03 | iamtheric | impossible |
| 00:28.05 | wintix | cheeseboy16: what did you do to get the error? |
| 00:28.11 | iamtheric | wrong channel sry |
| 00:28.21 | cheeseboy16 | ifdown eth1 |
| 00:28.29 | pete__ | potolo: i would say same like bzed... id_dsa or id_dsa_kde should be generated newly... |
| 00:28.36 | cheeseboy16 | cause it wasnt working |
| 00:28.53 | geo-rge | iamtheric:wrong channel?! impossible! |
| 00:28.55 | amphi | cheeseboy16: are you connecting to an AP? |
| 00:29.11 | bzed | potolo: or try ssh -i /home/richard/.ssh/id_dsa_kde -vvv user@host |
| 00:29.12 | cheeseboy16 | i don't think so... |
| 00:29.40 | cheeseboy16 | how do i check? |
| 00:29.53 | bzed | potolo: could you paste /home/richard/.ssh/config into a pastebin (remove all secret stuff if there's anything in) |
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| 00:30.01 | wintix | cheeseboy16: you need to set it up in /etc/network/interfaces for ifdown, etc to work. |
| 00:30.01 | potolo | bzed: yep, tried that. passing it the path to the keyfile doesn't help, unfortunately. same behaviour. |
| 00:30.29 | cheeseboy16 | wintx how i do that? |
| 00:30.30 | bzed | potolo: add /etc/ssh/ssh_config to your local config |
| 00:30.32 | rvsjoen | i'm currently running tiger and chkrootkit regularly, are there any other good tools for scanning ? |
| 00:30.44 | potolo | bzed: just for you then. http://www.pastebin.ca/409786 - sshd with -ddd switch |
| 00:30.45 | potolo | http://www.pastebin.ca/409790 - ~/.ssh/config file contents |
| 00:30.45 | potolo | http://www.pastebin.ca/409799 - systemwide ssh config file |
| 00:30.45 | bzed | potolo: err no, I mean put them both in a pastebin |
| 00:30.45 | potolo | http://www.pastebin.ca/409805 - Text of errors from SSH/svn+ssh, and SSH versions used |
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| 00:31.29 | potolo | abrotman: I d/loaded a viewer. but it makes wine exit. oh well. |
| 00:31.33 | wintix | cheeseboy16: something like 'iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 00:31.43 | wintix | ' where eth0 is your wifi device |
| 00:31.44 | abrotman | potolo: no worries .. don't waste your time on it .. |
| 00:32.11 | pete__ | potolo: does your passwd contain char that are not part of ASCII? |
| 00:32.20 | geo-rge | you have a viewer that makes wine??! |
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| 00:32.48 | potolo | pete__: no. standard stuff. at most european characters |
| 00:32.58 | pete__ | hmmm |
| 00:33.03 | bzed | potolo: I'd say your private key is somehow broken |
| 00:33.04 | cheeseboy16 | wintx iface command not found |
| 00:33.17 | amphi | cheeseboy16: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:33.29 | cheeseboy16 | get my wireless to work |
| 00:33.34 | potolo | bzed: it seems fine. :-? it's linked as a keypair to the public key. |
| 00:33.39 | cheeseboy16 | its connect but not using it... |
| 00:33.56 | geo-rge | cheeseboy16: not a shell cmd... put that in the interfaces file |
| 00:33.58 | wintix | cheeseboy16: you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:33.59 | bzed | potolo: uh? that should not work. one key per file |
| 00:34.04 | amphi | cheeseboy16: what do you mean? you try to connect to a router? or what? |
| 00:34.05 | potolo | bzed: I did notice the ssh output seemed to suggest it was passing the private key as the public. |
| 00:34.25 | bzed | potolo: the pub key goes on the svn, the private stays private. |
| 00:34.35 | cheeseboy16 | amphi it is connected to the router but debian isnt using it for internet |
| 00:34.40 | bzed | potolo: 2 different files, not to mix. that's not ssl ;) |
| 00:34.45 | mina_linux_Tux | i want to know if i'll upgrade mysql 4.0 to mysql 4.1 from backports , i'll loose all my databases and configs , even if i'll use apt-get remove and not purge |
| 00:34.50 | geo-rge | bzed: actually two files per key |
| 00:34.51 | potolo | bzed: Oh,yes. They are separate files. I just meant together they're a keypair. Yep, don't worry - I haven't shared the private key with anyone and it is password-protected. :) |
| 00:34.56 | amphi | cheeseboy16: you can ping the router? |
| 00:34.59 | potolo | bzed: night |
| 00:35.39 | mina_linux_Tux | any suggestions ? |
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| 00:36.22 | cheeseboy16 | amphi how? |
| 00:36.27 | mina_linux_Tux | abrotman: i want to know if i'll upgrade mysql 4.0 to mysql 4.1 from backports , i'll loose all my databases and configs , even if i'll use apt-get remove and not purge |
| 00:36.33 | geo-rge | mina_linux_Tux: can mysql produce a dump that you can then feed to a restore process? |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | mina_linux_Tux: i don't use mysql |
| 00:36.46 | geo-rge | me neither too. |
| 00:36.53 | amphi | cheeseboy16: what have you done so far, to configure your wifi? |
| 00:37.03 | mina_linux_Tux | geo-rge: so , u mean nothing to be loosed ? |
| 00:37.14 | geo-rge | well |
| 00:37.35 | geo-rge | you can stick with the version you have running, and back up its data files |
| 00:37.57 | geo-rge | then you can try to have mysql create something called a "database dump" |
| 00:38.06 | geo-rge | (ASSUMING it can do that; I dunno) |
| 00:38.18 | wintix | cheeseboy16: if you can connect to your wireless network you have to set an ip, gateway and dns to make the interface usable. you can either do that by editing /etc/network/interfaces or by means of ifconfig, route and /etc/resolv.conf. the easiest way would be dhcp but for that you need to ahve a dhcp server on your wireless lan. if you have one, try running 'dhclient wifi0' <- replace wifi0 with whatever your wifi device is. |
| 00:38.56 | cheeseboy16 | amphi http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174 |
| 00:39.21 | wintix | cheeseboy16: for the changes in /etc/network/interfaces to take effekt, so '/etc/init.d/networking restart' |
| 00:39.27 | wad | Any of you guys use SpamAssassin? Do you use the debian package, and tolerate ancient spam definitions, or do you compile with CPAN? |
| 00:39.29 | geo-rge | sometimes a dhcp server is built into these plastic-box gateway routers |
| 00:39.31 | wintix | s/so/do/ |
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| 00:39.55 | geo-rge | wad: I guess I do tolerate :) |
| 00:39.56 | wad | geo-rge, s/sometimes/usually/ |
| 00:40.11 | pete__ | geo-rge: sometimes? today the most... |
| 00:40.20 | cheeseboy16 | thnx wintx dhclient fixed it |
| 00:40.26 | geo-rge | arc the lad? |
| 00:40.32 | potolo | the debian lists use spamassassin rules don't they? |
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| 00:40.40 | geo-rge | probably |
| 00:40.50 | geo-rge | and the bayes filters |
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| 00:41.04 | yoshio | wad: run sa-update . see http://saupdates.openprotect.com/ |
| 00:41.06 | mina_linux_Tux | geo-rge: i have to upgrade to mysql server or client ? |
| 00:41.21 | wad | Ah! |
| 00:41.30 | wad | sa-update.... what is that? |
| 00:41.35 | geo-rge | mina_linux_Tux: wait... what exactly are you trying to accomplish |
| 00:41.48 | pete__ | <-- drunken... must sleep now.. |
| 00:42.56 | yoshio | wad: it comes in the Debian package, it puts the latest definitions in /var/lib/spamassassin |
| 00:43.09 | wad | SAAAAWEEEEET! |
| 00:43.11 | mina_linux_Tux | i upgrade a php4 to php5 , which is required from an application runinng on LAMP and also requires Mysql4.1 |
| 00:43.16 | mina_linux_Tux | geo-rge: i upgrade a php4 to php5 , which is required from an application runinng on LAMP and also requires Mysql4.1 |
| 00:43.26 | geo-rge | ok |
| 00:43.50 | geo-rge | and you need your dbs that are now running on 4.0 to run on the 4.1? |
| 00:43.53 | Gokee2_Laptop | I can`t seem to find a freecell game in apt-get.... Anyone know of one? A search for freecell only comes up with a solver |
| 00:43.57 | mina_linux_Tux | geo-rge: yes |
| 00:44.03 | geo-rge | ok, |
| 00:44.04 | pete__ | have a nice night with some sex and some wine :-) |
| 00:44.30 | geo-rge | then you have to find out how mysql implements dump and restore |
| 00:44.47 | Gokee2_Laptop | And thr ace-of-penguins I guess that would work |
| 00:44.48 | geo-rge | yes, we want exiting wine! |
| 00:44.52 | n3kl | Does anyone know if there are any sort of virtual synths out there for linux? |
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| 00:45.43 | wols | n3kl: chek demudi |
| 00:45.44 | yoshio | wad: updates_spamassassin_org is dated Feb 17th, saupdates_openprotect_com is dated March 5th on my machine |
| 00:45.57 | geo-rge | mina_linux_Tux: is there a document you can read to learn more about how to be a dba for mysql databases? |
| 00:46.14 | geo-rge | dump and restore ought to be in there |
| 00:46.31 | ElDocktorNo | anyone have experience updating to gizmoproject 2.0~~~ ? |
| 00:46.37 | geo-rge | I guess google or someone like that is using mysql, so it damn well better be able to do that :) |
| 00:46.47 | potolo | geo-rge: mysql.org has good docs |
| 00:46.57 | potolo | geo-rge: or whatever the main site is |
| 00:46.58 | wols | phpmyadmin can do what you want for example |
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| 00:47.08 | kantlivelong | anyone know how to assign static IPs to certain ESSIDs w/ wpa_supplicant? |
| 00:47.18 | geo-rge | yeah, there's a good suggestion, and another one |
| 00:47.39 | potolo | oh yep, phpmyadmin, rekall and mysqladmin are good tools |
| 00:48.16 | geo-rge | figures they couldn't spell recall :) |
| 00:48.30 | mina_linux_Tux | wols: thats right , but i'm talking about the configs files |
| 00:48.52 | geo-rge | now I'm really lost |
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| 00:49.35 | yoshio | wad: sa-update allows you to get rules from anywhere, saupdate.openprotect.com is one external source |
| 00:49.48 | wad | yoshio, thanks! |
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| 00:50.39 | mina_linux_Tux | wols: ? |
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| 00:53.30 | geo-rge | mina_linux_Tux: just a suggestion... can we do one thing at a time? :) |
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| 00:56.38 | mina_linux_Tux | geo-rge: what do u mean |
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| 00:56.47 | n3kl | wols: dood, that software link on the main page is friggin awesome.... Thanks |
| 00:56.59 | seriouslycgi | how do i install the kernel source so i can compile nvidia drivers? |
| 00:57.21 | n3kl | seriouslycgi: use m-a |
| 00:57.29 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:57.29 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
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| 00:59.14 | seriouslycgi | thanks abrotman |
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| 00:59.44 | seriouslycgi | !nvidia_legacy |
| 00:59.45 | dpkg | nvidia_legacy is probably If you're using a Geforce2 or older card, you need to use the nvidia legacy driver instead of the normal one. If you're asked to install packages, use nvidia-kernel-legacy-...... instead of nvidia-kernel-......, and nvidia-glx-legacy. Ask me about <nvidia_legacy_cards> for a list of old cards supported by the legacy driver. |
| 00:59.58 | jetscreamer | hey how do i compile iceape or iceweasel for use on windows :) |
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| 01:00.06 | eigentard | Who's site is this? http://sam.zoy.org/ |
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| 01:00.15 | iamtheric | iceweasel = firefox |
| 01:00.34 | jetscreamer | not 'exactly' |
| 01:00.40 | iamtheric | yeah |
| 01:00.42 | seriouslycgi | !nvidia_legacy_cards |
| 01:00.42 | dpkg | i guess nvidia_legacy_cards is the 1.0.7184 driver from Etch supports RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro, RIVA TNT2 Ultra, Vanta/Vanta LT, RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro, Aladdin TNT2, GeForce 256, GeForce DDR, Quadro, GeForce2 GTS/GeForce2 Pro, GeForce2 Ti, GeForce2 Ultra, Quadro2 Pro |
| 01:00.44 | iamtheric | exactly |
| 01:00.46 | jetscreamer | i know what each is |
| 01:00.51 | iamtheric | no difference |
| 01:00.54 | jetscreamer | no |
| 01:00.57 | iamtheric | its renamed |
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| 01:00.58 | jetscreamer | not exactly |
| 01:01.02 | jetscreamer | yes, difference |
| 01:01.27 | iamtheric | The other is a rebranded build prepared by Debian in order to satisfy a demand from Mozilla that they either drop the Firefox name or comply with other terms that Debian policies find unacceptable. |
| 01:01.32 | iamtheric | rebranded = renamed |
| 01:01.32 | potolo | jetscreamer: barring branding they're basically identical. why would you want to build from source on windows unless you're developing? just d/load the exe |
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| 01:02.07 | jetscreamer | no, i want to compile in debian, for use in windows |
| 01:02.07 | abrotman | check the changelog |
| 01:02.47 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 01:02.56 | potolo | okay. |
| 01:02.57 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 01:02.58 | bknitram | jetscreamer: Install a cross compiler for. |
| 01:03.12 | bknitram | for windows* |
| 01:03.20 | potolo | Oh I see what you mean now |
| 01:03.26 | bknitram | But I don't think there are iceweasal sources for windows... |
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| 01:09.36 | tuvwx | how do i specify the refresh rate, e.g. 60, for a particular mode in xorg? |
| 01:09.45 | tuvwx | using the radeon driver |
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| 01:11.09 | n3kl | How an I find out what my sound device is? |
| 01:13.08 | abrotman | for what ? |
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| 01:15.04 | geo-rge | your sound device is something that makes air vibrate... |
| 01:15.07 | geo-rge | kinda fast... |
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| 01:15.42 | n3kl | abrotman: what is my sound card device that alsa is using? |
| 01:15.55 | n3kl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.37 | geo-rge | the stuff in /dev/snd are "handles" to different parts of your sound card |
| 01:16.54 | kussik | can someone here help me with something? |
| 01:17.06 | geo-rge | something in the way she moves... |
| 01:17.41 | kussik | my internet isnt working and i have no idea what 2 do cause im a linux noob |
| 01:17.52 | geo-rge | well |
| 01:18.02 | geo-rge | first off, how does your windows connect? |
| 01:18.09 | geo-rge | or do you have a mac |
| 01:18.50 | kussik | linux |
| 01:19.18 | geo-rge | how are you connected here? |
| 01:19.28 | kussik | with windows |
| 01:19.29 | kussik | o |
| 01:19.54 | geo-rge | ok, your windows box uses what to connect to the internet? |
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| 01:20.20 | geo-rge | what physical thing? |
| 01:20.44 | kussik | a wireless card |
| 01:20.54 | geo-rge | ok |
| 01:20.59 | geo-rge | which one? |
| 01:21.24 | geo-rge | let's see if that matters: |
| 01:21.30 | kussik | what do u mean wich one? |
| 01:22.02 | geo-rge | is the linux that you want to run installed on the same machine you run windows on? the same machine as you are using right now to talk to us? |
| 01:22.14 | kussik | no |
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| 01:22.22 | geo-rge | ok |
| 01:22.27 | kussik | im using my laptop as a wireless bridge |
| 01:22.37 | kussik | for my linux box |
| 01:22.53 | geo-rge | ok, there's too many machines :) let's give them names |
| 01:23.14 | geo-rge | first you have a linux box... what is its hostname |
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| 01:23.27 | mina_linux_Tux | can i make a right copy a DVD , and which package do that ? |
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| 01:24.42 | mina_linux_Tux | ?? |
| 01:24.50 | geo-rge | @@ |
| 01:25.13 | mina_linux_Tux | which package make a DVD right copy |
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| 01:25.40 | geo-rge | I never copied a dvd before, under any os |
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| 01:27.55 | geo-rge | kussik: how many machines do you have running right now? |
| 01:28.10 | kussik | 2 |
| 01:28.13 | geo-rge | btw is the bridge working? |
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| 01:29.31 | kussik | i dont think that windows is recognizing linux |
| 01:29.37 | kussik | i mean like it says |
| 01:29.46 | kussik | the eth is unplugged |
| 01:30.11 | geo-rge | oh, "a network cable is unplugged" or something? |
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| 01:30.48 | geo-rge | still need to give names to your machines |
| 01:30.52 | geo-rge | so |
| 01:31.05 | geo-rge | you have a laptop, not running linux |
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| 01:31.10 | geo-rge | right? |
| 01:31.31 | mina_linux_Tux | ppl any suggestions |
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| 01:31.41 | lokkju_wrk | hey, anyone in here running a motorola vt1005v on vonage? need a simple favor... |
| 01:31.54 | bunix | hello. can someone refer me to a good howto for installing ipw3945 on etch? thx |
| 01:32.12 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 01:32.12 | dpkg | somebody said ipw3945 was http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 01:32.46 | mfrisch | oh now your just showing off |
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| 01:35.22 | abrotman | you're |
| 01:35.27 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:35.35 | geo-rge | kussik: so, you're not responsive... not listening? I canm |
| 01:35.50 | waltman | apt-listbugs is timing out connecting to bugs.donarmstrong.com. Is that a main site or a mirror? |
| 01:36.03 | mfrisch | abrotman: I swear you were a english teacher in a past life ;-) |
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| 01:36.14 | kussik | sry |
| 01:36.25 | geo-rge | not help without asking these questions...] |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | mfrisch: doubtful :) |
| 01:36.36 | geo-rge | you have a laptop, not running linux |
| 01:36.36 | abrotman | waltman: mirror |
| 01:36.39 | geo-rge | right? |
| 01:36.49 | Supaplex | !lart yum |
| 01:36.52 | kussik | ya |
| 01:37.01 | geo-rge | ok, what is it running? |
| 01:37.10 | kussik | windows |
| 01:37.26 | geo-rge | ok, howbout for this conversation we call it winlap |
| 01:37.36 | geo-rge | what else you got? |
| 01:38.12 | bunix | abrotman: thx. this will only install the drivers for the chip right? what do i do next to enable wifi support on my laptop (wep&wpa2) thx |
| 01:38.31 | waltman | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | bunix: never used them |
| 01:38.37 | geo-rge | ok, I'm sending AT commands to my moto razr |
| 01:38.38 | kussik | i just have a linux comp and this |
| 01:38.40 | geo-rge | interesting |
| 01:39.25 | amphi | bunix: you can use iwconfig to set a wep key; you need wpa_supplicant for wpa |
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| 01:42.11 | bunix | amphi: iwconfig is out of box correct? any gui for wpa_supplicant? (i know its config file) |
| 01:42.47 | amphi | bunix: xwpa_supplicant perhaps? |
| 01:42.49 | mfrisch | !info kwifimanager |
| 01:42.53 | dpkg | kwifimanager: (wireless lan manager for KDE), section net, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5-5 (sid), Packaged size: 228 kB, Installed size: 792 kB |
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| 01:43.30 | mfrisch | bunix: ^^^^^^ |
| 01:43.48 | waltman | abrotman: I don't suppose there's an easy way to tell it to use a different mirror? |
| 01:44.23 | bunix | mfrisch: u use it? |
| 01:44.27 | abrotman | is there a config file for it ? man apt-listbugs ? |
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| 01:45.31 | mfrisch | bunix: have before...it is a gui scanner + wifi setup..I believe wpa wep. |
| 01:46.11 | geo-rge | I don';t suppose there's someone with a motorola razr v3m in the house? |
| 01:46.14 | bunix | mfrisch: using gnome, can it 'remember' wifi wpa2 keys? |
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| 01:47.30 | mfrisch | bunix: there are others. You can use programs from either. Don't know. |
| 01:47.43 | waltman | not that i've been able to find |
| 01:48.17 | mfrisch | geo-rge: did you mess it up yet? |
| 01:48.45 | waltman | afaict from the source, it seems to be acquiring some sort of http proxy |
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| 01:49.04 | geo-rge | mfrisch: nope |
| 01:49.19 | cheeseboy | how do i change timezone? |
| 01:49.25 | mfrisch | geo-rge: did you mount it yet? |
| 01:49.29 | geo-rge | I made it dial "8" |
| 01:49.34 | geo-rge | atdt8 |
| 01:49.42 | geo-rge | 87n69er 5nv9peryn69peru6NOCARRIER |
| 01:49.53 | mfrisch | geo-rge: wild man |
| 01:50.05 | geo-rge | that's what she said :) |
| 01:50.23 | abrotman | !timezone |
| 01:50.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 01:50.55 | mfrisch | geo-rge: its like its a modem with the commands you are running. |
| 01:51.08 | geo-rge | yep, seems to be |
| 01:51.42 | geo-rge | but the current status of moto4lin is the particular razr I have isn't supported |
| 01:53.15 | mfrisch | geo-rge: can you telnet to it? |
| 01:53.21 | abrotman | geo-rge: i was wondering about the same thing for my phone |
| 01:53.23 | geo-rge | the config section that identifies the devices has fields for vendor/product IDs for AT and for P2K |
| 01:53.54 | geo-rge | I update the list (a button in the config dialog) and I only get one pair of numbers |
| 01:54.52 | geo-rge | that pair works for the AT IDs |
| 01:55.10 | geo-rge | but there isn't an additional pair for the P2K IDs |
| 01:55.26 | geo-rge | abrotman, that the same result you're getting? |
| 01:55.45 | abrotman | geo-rge: i didn't try yet |
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| 01:56.49 | geo-rge | what kind of phone do you have? |
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| 01:57.38 | abrotman | samsung |
| 01:57.43 | abrotman | but i was goint to try via bt |
| 01:57.45 | IrishDave | does anyone know of a debian based distribution that has the nvidia driver and beryl installed by default? |
| 01:57.51 | geo-rge | blackjack? |
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| 01:58.39 | geo-rge | IrishDave: nvidia is probably binary-only, closed-source, proprietary? |
| 01:58.44 | mfrisch | IrishDave: there is beryl debs on their site |
| 01:58.50 | Guerin | IrishDave: if there was one, it'd be called fucktardix |
| 01:59.06 | IrishDave | yep thats what i mean |
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| 02:00.02 | geo-rge | -probably- debian would never release with anything closed installed by default |
| 02:00.13 | Guerin | debian wouldn't |
| 02:00.21 | Guerin | if it did, it would no longer be debian |
| 02:00.37 | geo-rge | (installed by default would be equivalent to "in debian's base") |
| 02:00.48 | Guerin | well, no |
| 02:00.54 | IrishDave | i know debian wouldnt |
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| 02:00.58 | Guerin | it'd be `in a tasksel task' |
| 02:01.09 | yoshio | potolo: in the email you sent to the kde people, the key that goes into authorized_keys *must* be a single line. |
| 02:01.13 | IrishDave | that's why i asked for based on debian :) |
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| 02:01.42 | mfrisch | potolo: you still trying to get on? |
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| 02:02.38 | geo-rge | IrishDave: polite answer, "we dont' know" |
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| 02:08.10 | kjxxxx | I just lost my os in grub. I just rebooted after a major upgrade from sarge to etch and it came up and booted into console and then I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and rebooted and it came up without the option to boot back into that os |
| 02:09.39 | Guerin | kjxxxx: which os? |
| 02:09.39 | kjxxxx | debian |
| 02:09.51 | Guerin | kjxxxx: so ... you have nothing at all in grub? |
| 02:10.45 | kjxxxx | basically. Only an option to boot into and old debiab which no longer exist |
| 02:11.08 | Guerin | kjxxxx: edit the boot line to point it to the right kernel and initrd |
| 02:11.15 | Guerin | it should boot dandywise |
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| 02:12.14 | kjxxxx | hahaha. That's the hard part |
| 02:12.29 | kjxxxx | not sure what the right one is now |
| 02:12.46 | Guerin | what kernel did you install? |
| 02:13.27 | kjxxxx | do you think the debian boot cd can install it |
| 02:13.32 | kjxxxx | can it detect it |
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| 02:13.45 | Guerin | ok |
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| 02:13.56 | bknitram | You can probably mount your drive and find it? |
| 02:13.57 | Guerin | did you or did you not install a new kernel after removing the old one? |
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| 02:14.23 | mfrisch | Guerin: thats laywer talk |
| 02:14.44 | bjron | hey anyone know why with df Size-Used != Avail ? |
| 02:14.45 | Guerin | mfrisch: i decline to confirm on the grounds that it might lessen my stash of beer. |
| 02:15.05 | Guerin | bjron: should be close. |
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| 02:15.48 | bjron | Guerin: in my case, there is a 3GB discrepancy :( |
| 02:15.56 | Guerin | mm, that ain't fun |
| 02:16.03 | bjron | and obviously I'd like to know where it's dissapeared to |
| 02:16.06 | cheeseboy | is there a repo for latest nvidia drivers? |
| 02:16.27 | markybob | cheeseboy, not really. even experimental is behind upstream |
| 02:16.28 | Guerin | cheeseboy: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 02:17.40 | markybob | bjron, are you using df -h? |
| 02:17.40 | bjron | markybob: yes, though with just df it still shows |
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| 02:18.49 | kjxxxx | Guerin: Unfortunately I am not remembering typing in a kernel number |
| 02:19.16 | Guerin | kjxxxx: listen carefully, for I will say this only once: |
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| 02:19.59 | markybob | bjron, ah, right. because 5% is set aside for root and not available to your user |
| 02:20.00 | Guerin | kjxxxx: 1. boot debian cd 2. mount drives with rw 3. chroot into your / 4. install a kernel 5. run update-grub 6. reboot |
| 02:20.07 | markybob | !prize me |
| 02:20.34 | lunitik | markybob: not in all cases... usually only things that aren't ported to all arch's are in experimental if they're behind upstream |
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| 02:21.00 | Guerin | lunitik: like nvidia, for instance? |
| 02:21.02 | markybob | lunitik, we're not talking about all cases. we're talking about the latest nvidia, which is what he asked for |
| 02:21.05 | Guerin | not that it's even in debian proper |
| 02:21.32 | markybob | bjron, works as root? |
| 02:21.32 | bjron | markybob: ok, thanks. though seems I just had some free space, ran out, deleted the files I'd just created, + a couple of gigs of other stuff, and still have zero :( |
| 02:22.21 | bjron | markybob: hmm, no, if I run df as root it still has 0 avail |
| 02:22.21 | lunitik | phorce1: I'd be crossing my toes too |
| 02:22.23 | markybob | bjron, hrm. works here as root, but not user cuz of the 5% thing. dont know what your deal is |
| 02:22.48 | phorce1 | lunitik: Need to get 171MB of archives. After unpacking 59.2MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 02:22.57 | bjron | strange :/ |
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| 02:23.38 | mfrisch | ha |
| 02:23.51 | Guerin | irony, since a t1 probably costs an order of magnitude more |
| 02:23.54 | phorce1 | it would have downloaded 171MB before I had time to type a sentence. |
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| 02:24.12 | Guerin | phorce1: not quite |
| 02:24.19 | Guerin | 6MB is fast, but not THAT fast |
| 02:24.26 | markybob | comcast workplace is not that expensive. i think it's around $140/m for business |
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| 02:24.58 | phorce1 | Guerin: yeah -- (speed/price) but the home system is only 384K up. That would suck for our radius and web servers. ;-) |
| 02:25.12 | Guerin | phorce1: sure would |
| 02:25.12 | markybob | t1 upload for a web server sucks anyway |
| 02:25.48 | lfs | I ran into snag installing Debian at the partitioning part |
| 02:25.49 | phorce1 | markybob: no active or streaming content. Fairly well written text/small images only. |
| 02:26.07 | Guerin | phorce1: you mean a proper website? |
| 02:26.15 | Guerin | such things still exist? |
| 02:26.18 | lfs | I did the LVM, I have 250 GB drive and I want the first 100 GB for Debian |
| 02:26.28 | geo-rge | some progress with the moto razr v3m and moto4lin... I got the right numbers in the right fields (mixed em up first time) and got the phone to switch into p2k mode |
| 02:26.42 | markybob | so paying $750/m for a t1 upload is better than, say, $25/m for 100Mbit ? |
| 02:26.53 | lfs | So I chose the LVM setup part and then it asked about dividing the drive. |
| 02:26.58 | phorce1 | My main problem from here is that for some reason I have no route to a couple of machines in the us.debian.org round-robin. Sometimes I have to CTRL-C out of apt a few times before I get a download to start |
| 02:27.01 | geo-rge | lfs: so you can make a 100gb physical volume |
| 02:27.04 | Crypticfortun1 | i want to grab a copy of our lab's crypted passwords and run them through jack the ripper or something to check for weak passwords, how should i grab the shadow file data (given that we're using ldap)? |
| 02:27.14 | Guerin | phorce1: change mirrors |
| 02:27.14 | Crypticfortun1 | ("getent shadow" only gives me my own crypt'd password, even as root) |
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| 02:27.36 | lfs | For some reason I am getting a fatal error on partioning. |
| 02:27.44 | Guerin | Crypticfortun1: ask the ldap admin |
| 02:27.49 | geo-rge | you'll have to find the reason |
| 02:27.50 | mfrisch | Crypticfortun1: we don't want to hear about your hacking |
| 02:28.05 | phorce1 | Guerin: not that big of a deal. Same thing happens on ftp.de.debian.org. ftp2.de.debian.org hasn't caused it yet. |
| 02:28.19 | Crypticfortun1 | Guerin: i am one of the admins. |
| 02:28.36 | Guerin | Crypticfortun1: should be no trouble getting the shadow file out of the ldap then. |
| 02:28.46 | Guerin | iuf you have proper authorisation |
| 02:28.59 | geo-rge | then ask yourself... see if you respond... will you be suspicious of you? will wonders ever cease? :) |
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| 02:29.26 | geo-rge | and... what about jack and mary lou? tune in next time... |
| 02:29.47 | abrotman | i blame diane |
| 02:30.00 | markybob | abrotman, that whore! |
| 02:30.03 | geo-rge | she is cute tho |
| 02:30.20 | Crypticfortun1 | Guerin: im pretty new to ldap, and don't know how/where it stores stuff. should i be able to find that in literally some file? or some sort of ldapsearch query? |
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| 02:30.41 | Guerin | Crypticfortun1: hence: ask the ldap admin. |
| 02:30.58 | abrotman | ask the one that knows what is going on :) |
| 02:31.36 | geo-rge | Crypticfortun1: you might try setting up your own server (which might not be the same thing they're running... so it might not store things the same way, etc etc...) |
| 02:31.50 | geo-rge | but if you run your own server and your own client... |
| 02:31.57 | geo-rge | you might learn some of the basics |
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| 02:34.51 | Crypticfortun1 | geo-rge/others: well, normally one doesnt have a need to rip all the passwords at once, so this has never come up before....i guess i'll keep looking.... |
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| 02:36.21 | lfs | So like after doing the LVM the disk cannot be repartioned? |
| 02:36.29 | abrotman | Crypticfortun1: tried asking #ldap ? |
| 02:36.38 | Crypticfortun1 | abrotman: good idea |
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| 02:37.18 | mfrisch | lfs: no. Your still messing with that disk. |
| 02:37.39 | lfs | So no repartioning after LVM??? |
| 02:38.19 | lfs | So when it asks about /home etc and all that, you need to split the disk up at that point? |
| 02:38.37 | mfrisch | lfs: you can slice the lvm as much as you want but you cant change the partitions. Without some work |
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| 02:38.52 | Crypticfortun1 | lfs: if you just do the whole disk in lvm you never need to worry about physically "where" a partition is again |
| 02:39.15 | lfs | But you need to split the disk up first? |
| 02:39.29 | mfrisch | lfs: yea slice out /usr /var /home whatever |
| 02:39.40 | lfs | ANd just rename them later? |
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| 02:40.02 | lfs | I only want Debian on part of the disk |
| 02:40.12 | mfrisch | lfs: no use the partitioning tool and pick the mount |
| 02:40.48 | mfrisch | lfs: so you don't want lvm on the whole disk then ;-) |
| 02:41.13 | Guerin | lfs: why did you use lvm if you didn't know what it did? |
| 02:41.15 | lfs | It asks about LVM before you have a chance to split the disk |
| 02:41.38 | lfs | Y not? |
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| 02:42.00 | Guerin | lfs: because using complext things you don't understand is *fucking* stupid, for reasons you're discovering |
| 02:42.30 | mfrisch | excuse his french |
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| 02:42.53 | Crypticfortun1 | lfs: what other os do you want to put on the disk? if they also support lvm, and using lvm for them too would make life easier |
| 02:43.05 | lfs | It doesnt say it is complex in the installation program. |
| 02:43.22 | Guerin | lfs: the point is: WIDHE |
| 02:43.27 | Guerin | the default is NOT lvm |
| 02:43.27 | lfs | This disk will be pure Linux, I meant give Vista the last GiG |
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| 02:43.52 | mfrisch | vista's a gig |
| 02:43.58 | markybob | lfs, read the lvm section of this walk-through http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512. |
| 02:44.14 | lfs | There is three choices: partition, partion with LVM, encryptiion with LVM |
| 02:44.15 | Guerin | vista ... 1G ... haha |
| 02:44.18 | Crypticfortun1 | hahah vista can't live in a gig. last i tried to install the rc, it refused to install to a partition smaller than 10gb |
| 02:44.19 | markybob | vista's ...like 14G |
| 02:44.22 | markybob | installed |
| 02:44.42 | streuner | hm |
| 02:44.43 | Guerin | lfs: yes. Choose the default unless you are very fucking sure what you're doing (which you aren't) |
| 02:44.47 | mfrisch | 14gigs of joy |
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| 02:45.19 | alamo | 1.4GB -> 14GB -> 140GB? |
| 02:45.29 | lfs | There is no default |
| 02:45.33 | Guerin | alamo: is this 3rd grade maths? |
| 02:45.41 | lfs | I think |
| 02:45.44 | Crypticfortun1 | alamo: Windows 2010 =p |
| 02:45.45 | Guerin | lfs: there is. The default is what you get if you hit ENTER |
| 02:45.52 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 02:45.52 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 02:45.53 | rpc | does anyone know if it's possible to hide personal data from RIPE database? or is it obligatory so everything is made public these days? |
| 02:45.54 | alamo | it's the xp math |
| 02:46.07 | Guerin | the law of WIDHE is the most important in all computing |
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| 02:46.19 | lfs | the default also gives the whole disk to Debian |
| 02:46.37 | markybob | as it should |
| 02:46.46 | mfrisch | lfs: thats right |
| 02:46.54 | lfs | I dont want that |
| 02:47.09 | Guerin | lfs: but if you know your requirements, you can trivially change it, because you clearly have SOME faint clue about what partitions are. Unlike LVM. |
| 02:47.12 | mfrisch | lfs: you don't know what you want |
| 02:48.02 | Crypticfortun1 | vista works under xen, right? if so, just LVM the whole thing, and run vista under xen on an lv |
| 02:48.10 | phorce1 | !kiss |
| 02:48.10 | dpkg | it has been said that kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
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| 02:48.19 | mfrisch | Crypticfortun1: there you go |
| 02:48.25 | markybob | Crypticfortun1, ...pretty sure it doesnt |
| 02:48.47 | mfrisch | markybob: it will with a new proc |
| 02:48.51 | Guerin | Crypticfortun1: haha |
| 02:48.57 | Guerin | Crypticfortun1: good luck with that |
| 02:49.08 | lfs | I thought LVM had no downside? |
| 02:49.17 | Guerin | aside from the fact that you're in breach of the license |
| 02:49.27 | Guerin | lfs: *everything* has a downside |
| 02:49.35 | mfrisch | lfs: neither do puppies until one pees on you |
| 02:49.44 | Guerin | lfs: it's more shit which can break, for one thing. Layers of abstraction aren't an unmitigated benefit |
| 02:50.05 | Crypticfortun1 | Guerin: well, the most expensive version (ultimate edition) or whatever is liscensed to work under virtualization |
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| 02:50.19 | lfs | OK screw the LVM, I dont know what the hell it is anyway. |
| 02:50.23 | Guerin | Crypticfortun1: as I said - good luck with that. |
| 02:51.07 | Guerin | Crypticfortun1: teh thing about vista is that its TPM gear relies on a `trusted' OS, so running it in virtualisation will basically render all that useless |
| 02:51.15 | Guerin | of course, it supposedly not turned on yet. |
| 02:51.46 | mfrisch | Guerin: they put a time bomb on it? |
| 02:52.13 | Guerin | mfrisch: no, but as with anything in windows, it can be turned on remotely. |
| 02:52.21 | Guerin | by MS |
| 02:52.27 | Guerin | and then not turned off |
| 02:52.39 | Crypticfortun1 | Guerin/ mfrisch: so, more like a remote fuse =p |
| 02:52.43 | Guerin | whether they WOULD is another question |
| 02:52.45 | jstevens | I just popped an LCD panel on my by box. I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and its running at 1680x1050, however my desktop is larger than the screen resolution. By that I mean I'm able to scroll the entire screen down to display more desktop space. Does anybody recall how to disable this? Using GDM and wmaker. |
| 02:52.45 | mfrisch | Guerin: updates ;-) |
| 02:53.10 | Guerin | jstevens: change your resolution down to the LCD's native |
| 02:53.28 | Guerin | jstevens: lcds aren't like crts; they have fixed dot pitch and don't take well to scaling |
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| 02:54.06 | jstevens | Guerin: I have a the native resolution specified in the xorg.config |
| 02:54.13 | Guerin | jstevens: it's clearly not being used |
| 02:54.21 | Guerin | jstevens: check xrandr and xdpyinfo |
| 02:54.22 | jstevens | Okie, I'll check my X log. |
| 02:54.27 | atrus | jstevens: .config or .conf? |
| 02:54.38 | Guerin | mm, good spottin' |
| 02:54.41 | markybob | is it set as default or just specified as a resolution ? |
| 02:55.20 | jstevens | It's using 1680x1200. Actually, that might just be a typo in my xorg.conf. I'll take a look. |
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| 02:56.46 | amphi | jstevens: virtualres or somesuch, I forget - man xorg.conf knows. a search for 'virtual' in there should turn it up |
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| 02:56.54 | phorce1 | Too bad the apt-get dist-upgrade can't make much use of dual CPU and 2G of RAM since it's mostly disk operations. |
| 02:57.48 | phorce1 | well, I guess dual 300MHz cpus don't help a WHOLE lot anyway... |
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| 02:58.09 | mfrisch | phorce1: and I though you were bragging |
| 02:58.16 | cheeseboy | how do i install my kernel's source? |
| 02:58.19 | jstevens | Mmm, that's odd. There isn't a 1680x1200 in my mode line in xorg.conf, yet xdpyinfo claims my screen dimensions are 1680x1200. The mode line in xorg.conf is set to 1680x1050 -- the native resolution of the LCD panel. |
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| 02:58.38 | Crypticfortun1 | jstevens: what video card/chipset? |
| 02:58.43 | Guerin | jstevens: it'll try to match things it thinks will work |
| 02:58.45 | jstevens | Matrox G400 |
| 02:58.48 | Guerin | a bit stupid that way |
| 02:59.04 | cheeseboy | anyone? |
| 02:59.11 | phorce1 | mfrisch: Sparc Ultra2. Still need to figure out what's wrong with the AXMP box that has 4 CPUs and 4G of RAM |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | it's possible your card doesn't support that resolution |
| 02:59.29 | jstevens | It's certainly possible. |
| 02:59.41 | jstevens | In fact quite probable. |
| 02:59.44 | mfrisch | phorce1: thats better sparcs are ok. |
| 03:00.12 | cheeseboy | how do i install my kernel's source? |
| 03:00.29 | Guerin | Crypticfortun1: aptitude search linux-source |
| 03:00.32 | Guerin | cheeseboy: |
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| 03:00.35 | Crypticfortun1 | jstevens: i had similar problem using an intel Q965 with my dell lcd. the lcd was reporting wrong sync frequencies, and xorg was believing the monitor over my settings. rumor has it there's a setting to override that, but i never found it, and when my nvidia card got here, problem solved itself... |
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| 03:01.00 | streuner | Guerin: that seems to be a bot |
| 03:01.13 | phorce1 | mfrisch: I'm dist-upgrading them all to Etch now. Need to tar up "/" on this one and pull the 18G drive to replace it with a 36G drive when it's done |
| 03:01.32 | streuner | Guerin: cheeseboy asked that the whole day before... |
| 03:01.57 | mfrisch | phorce1: so you gonna take over the world with these bad boys? |
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| 03:02.33 | jstevens | Yeah, I do have a newer Matrox chipset around here somewhere. I'll have to do some google searching regarding the supported video modes of the mga driver and the G400. |
| 03:02.36 | cheeseboy | streuner was headers before =P |
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| 03:03.03 | phorce1 | mfrisch: They're my test and play boxes. I want the AXMP running to put my personal mail server and archives of a couple of lists (using lurker) on. The Ultra2 will have to do for now. |
| 03:03.56 | mfrisch | phorce1: cool. I like mailscanner on mine. |
| 03:04.11 | scruffy | any particular reason the debian sarge installer chose kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup (contains screen reader) for an install on a ThinkPad 600? I'm not visually impaired, so I thought I'd ask if there may be some other reason. |
| 03:04.45 | Crypticfortun1 | jstevens: there's a program 915resolution for the i810 driver to manually change the supported modes reported by the intel graphics chipsets. there might be a similar thing for the matrox stuff... |
| 03:05.11 | cheeseboy | streuner you think im a bot? |
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| 03:05.38 | phorce1 | mfrisch: Depending on my final needs I'll probably load up spamassassin and some front end for the mail server. |
| 03:05.55 | streuner | yes, if someone repeats a question more than 10 times, i think something is wrong |
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| 03:06.24 | mfrisch | phorce1: I like to seperate the processes so my mail server isn't loaded. |
| 03:06.34 | maddash | 2.6.20.4! |
| 03:06.43 | jstevens | Crypticfortun1: OK, I think I'm finding what I need. The possibility of of the card not supporting the resolution didn't really seem reasonable to me at first because X wasn't throwing an error. I'm poking around in the right places now though as I think that's the issue. |
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| 03:07.43 | mfrisch | streuner: he could be slow. |
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| 03:08.56 | phorce1 | mfrisch: just moving the distro up for now. By the time it finishes I'll be tired of looking at it. ;-) |
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| 03:09.40 | mfrisch | phorce1: have fun ;-) |
| 03:10.01 | rock_feng | hi all, I setup two IP addresses on eth1: eth1-192.168.0.15,eth1:0-192.168.0.18,but I can't ping 192.168.0.18 |
| 03:10.08 | phorce1 | mfrisch: I'm sitting at work on a WinXP machine with now windows open except a bunch of Putty SSH terminals to my various Debian machines |
| 03:10.37 | mfrisch | phorce1: been there. ubuntu works on some "workstations" |
| 03:10.40 | phorce1 | (and a Firefox Google search to try to find out how to set up a DynDNS type server) |
| 03:12.10 | phorce1 | mfrisch: I like the Windows remote client that installs with Etch and x-org on the machines that I actually install X on. Nice to be able to leave my Win laptop at home plugged in and never have to actually open it ip to get to the keyboard because I can access it from my Debian box |
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| 03:13.52 | chronic1 | anyone here use ndiswrapper? |
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| 03:14.21 | markybob | !ask |
| 03:14.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:14.29 | mfrisch | phorce1: yeah my coworker was amazed that windows rd would work on Linux |
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| 03:15.32 | Ratrophy | Debian is the shiznit! |
| 03:16.05 | Guerin | Ratrophy: on yo niznit |
| 03:16.08 | Guerin | dawg |
| 03:16.11 | Ratrophy | it's good |
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| 03:16.31 | maddash | Guerin: wtf? |
| 03:16.36 | Ratrophy | great distribution |
| 03:16.54 | Guerin | maddash: iz you not down, bruddah? |
| 03:16.57 | Ratrophy | even the sparc release rocks |
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| 03:17.15 | Ratrophy | behold the power of debian sparc64! |
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| 03:17.40 | streuner | Ratrophy: tell news |
| 03:17.53 | maddash | Guerin: multiple personality disorder? |
| 03:17.55 | Ratrophy | they aren't related to the US media right? |
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| 03:18.14 | streuner | Ratrophy: /topic |
| 03:18.29 | Guerin | maddash: i think you suffer from an irony deficiency |
| 03:19.04 | Ratrophy | yeah I don't need /topic, it presented itself when I joined heh |
| 03:23.17 | bunix | anybody having problems w/ the us & debian apt mirrors? |
| 03:23.49 | mfrisch | bunix: be more specific |
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| 03:26.53 | bunix | mfrisch: the apt mirrors for us & debian seem slow |
| 03:27.02 | bunix | using kernel.org now |
| 03:27.42 | mfrisch | bunix: slow is relative. There are many factors |
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| 03:30.14 | geo-rge | some progress with the moto razr v3m and moto4lin... I got the right numbers in the right fields (mixed em up first time -- no, right the first time), ran the app as root, got the phone to switch into p2k mode -- found the phone's "drive" this time, I'm looking at some jpgs now! |
| 03:31.40 | geo-rge | just downloaded them... |
| 03:31.56 | mfrisch | play be play with geo-rge |
| 03:32.24 | delire | geo-rge: make a little HOWTO? |
| 03:32.34 | geo-rge | it's already there |
| 03:32.40 | delire | noice |
| 03:33.39 | Ratrophy | http://www.internettrafficreport.com/ yeah, maybe that's your answser |
| 03:33.55 | Ratrophy | crap answer |
| 03:34.03 | erstss | help ;@} i cannot get my Cmedia 8738 soundcard to work. I have installed alsa-base, alsa-utils & alsaplayer on debian 2.4.27-3-386. when i run this command: modprobe cmpci, i get: cmpci: version BLA,BLA, BLA |
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| 03:34.40 | geo-rge | worked! some pics I took were downloaded to my linux |
| 03:34.41 | erstss | alsaconf do not find the card |
| 03:34.49 | kraypius | can someone please help me find a driver for my hdd? i keep searching but cant find one for my: ALi/ULi SATA RAID Controller M5289 |
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| 03:35.02 | streuner | erstss: so the ALSA modules for your kernel are installed? |
| 03:35.20 | erstss | yes |
| 03:35.46 | erstss | but alsaconf do not find mycard |
| 03:36.31 | streuner | erstss: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 03:36.46 | erstss | it shows my soundcard |
| 03:36.58 | streuner | fine |
| 03:37.15 | streuner | but we want to see the output too |
| 03:37.29 | erstss | ok wait |
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| 03:40.15 | geo-rge | erstss: any idea why they'd want to know what that line says exactly? |
| 03:42.29 | erstss | 0000:02:09.0 Multimedia Audio Controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) Subsystem: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738/C3DX Pci audio device |
| 03:42.30 | erstss | eh nope |
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| 03:42.33 | k-man_ | is there a cli tool for ripping a dvd to iso? |
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| 03:45.22 | erstss | streuner: so what do you think |
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| 03:46.00 | phorce1 | k-man_: dd? |
| 03:46.12 | streuner | erstss: grep 8738 /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 03:46.17 | k-man_ | phorce1, that won'd decrypt it though |
| 03:46.39 | phorce1 | k-man_: ahhh. That's a point. |
| 03:46.47 | erstss | what means? |
| 03:47.22 | Ratrophy | death |
| 03:47.39 | streuner | erstss: 2.4.x kernels usually have OSS module for your soundcard... |
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| 03:48.59 | streuner | erstss: oh, is the OSS module loaeded, btw? |
| 03:49.00 | streuner | s/loaeded/loaded/ |
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| 03:49.06 | erstss | how do i check that |
| 03:49.30 | streuner | lsmod | grep <some-kernel-module> |
| 03:49.56 | erstss | config_soundblabla=y |
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| 03:50.40 | sealion | I just noticed something odd about a startup script and I'm wondering if it is intentional or not: /etc/init.d/networking is configured to start not only on S but also on runlevels 0 and 6. |
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| 03:50.53 | sealion | Notice I said "start", not "stop" wrt 0 and 6. |
| 03:52.06 | streuner | erstss: fine, so a OSS module exists |
| 03:52.10 | stephans | err... i added non-free and there is no madwifi |
| 03:52.16 | erstss | ok, nice |
| 03:52.19 | stephans | where can i get it? |
| 03:52.32 | kraypius | whats the most swap I should allocate? |
| 03:52.59 | Ratrophy | 3GB!!! |
| 03:53.13 | geo-rge | three gee bee? |
| 03:53.26 | kraypius | i read somewhere that it shouldnt be more than 500mb |
| 03:53.33 | Ratrophy | hehe |
| 03:53.37 | geo-rge | well it |
| 03:53.46 | geo-rge | 's about performance |
| 03:53.50 | Ratrophy | the most swap should be 3GB! |
| 03:53.55 | bunix | !ipw3945 |
| 03:53.57 | dpkg | well, ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 03:54.21 | kraypius | so how much? got a 2gb hdd and this is for a web server |
| 03:54.25 | kraypius | i mean 2gb ram |
| 03:54.27 | kraypius | heh |
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| 03:54.49 | Ratrophy | oh probably less than 16MB |
| 03:55.01 | kraypius | ... |
| 03:55.15 | kraypius | come on seriously |
| 03:55.40 | Ratrophy | less than 16MB, do you plan on having memory leaks or something? |
| 03:55.47 | erstss | streuner. i do a reboot on my linuxbox now. do you think it could work after the grep 8738 operation |
| 03:56.11 | kraypius | 16mb, youre serious? |
| 03:56.18 | Ratrophy | yeah |
| 03:56.24 | streuner | erstss: what does 'lsmod | grep 8738' say` |
| 03:56.34 | Ratrophy | personally, I'd never have swap with anything over 512MB ram heh |
| 03:56.38 | Coweater | !swap |
| 03:56.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, swap is still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 03:56.47 | Ratrophy | dangers exist with runaways though |
| 03:56.49 | erstss | wow. my bootscreen has changed |
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| 03:57.11 | Ratrophy | systems with 2GB ram, running web server, seen no need for swap heh |
| 03:57.19 | Ratrophy | even with my dual p3 xeon |
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| 03:57.57 | Ratrophy | 16MB swap might make sense on a system with 256MB or less of ram |
| 03:57.57 | stephans | ok there was something called madwifi-source... in installed it along with the tools.. now what do I do? |
| 03:58.39 | bunix | i did the command that is said for "!ipw3945" (etch). what next? |
| 03:59.07 | bunix | in gnome, the networking panel does not show my wlan |
| 03:59.28 | erstss | streuner:Grub has changed:what shall i choose: root, kernell, initrd, savedefault or boot |
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| 04:00.00 | streuner | erstss: who told you to reboot? |
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| 04:00.10 | rsmith16384 | test |
| 04:00.17 | Ratrophy | your test works |
| 04:00.23 | streuner | i would choose 'kernel', but i have no idea about grub at all |
| 04:00.28 | erstss | he he sorry i was too quick |
| 04:00.37 | erstss | ok |
| 04:01.00 | bunix | !ipw3945 |
| 04:01.00 | dpkg | hmm... ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 04:01.10 | sealion | Is netbase's netwoking script in /etc/init.d supposed to *start* in rc0 and rc6? |
| 04:01.31 | amphi | bunix: you also need the daemon I believe |
| 04:02.06 | amphi | bunix: or is that included in ipw3945-source? |
| 04:03.05 | bunix | amphi: will try cmd again |
| 04:03.33 | amphi | bunix: ps aux | grep ipw3945d |
| 04:03.53 | hark | and it's firmware-ipw3945 iirc |
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| 04:05.09 | rsmith16384 | does anyone here use tor? |
| 04:05.37 | hark | !tell rsmith16384 -about anyone |
| 04:05.54 | bunix | amphi: outputs only the grep command |
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| 04:06.22 | erstss | streuner: i get nottin when i type: lsmod | grep 3738, just a new commandline |
| 04:06.34 | amphi | bunix: well, you need that running for the driver to work AFAIK |
| 04:06.44 | amphi | bunix: I don't have such a card |
| 04:06.46 | streuner | erstss: 8738 |
| 04:06.57 | streuner | erstss: not 3738 |
| 04:07.08 | erstss | what i meant of cource |
| 04:07.33 | streuner | erstss: modprobe cm8738 |
| 04:07.43 | bunix | amphi: got it. just installed the daemon |
| 04:08.18 | amphi | bunix: does iwconfig show an interface now? |
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| 04:08.55 | erstss | streuner: cant locate module cm8738 |
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| 04:09.06 | lfs | I have Debian installed on my new system. |
| 04:09.16 | bunix | amphi: labled as eth2 |
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| 04:09.19 | lfs | OK give me something to get this computer smoking. |
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| 04:09.26 | amphi | !prize lfs |
| 04:09.36 | lfs | I want the fans blasting |
| 04:09.41 | yoshio | erstss: in the BIOS, sound is not disabled, is it? |
| 04:09.42 | amphi | povray |
| 04:09.42 | streuner | erstss: modprobe cmpci |
| 04:10.00 | amphi | lfs: povray will warm it up nicely |
| 04:10.10 | amphi | bunix: cool |
| 04:10.53 | erstss | the onboard soundcard is disabled but not sound in general, it is a pci soundcard i try to install |
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| 04:11.09 | piper69 | hey hey hey whats up |
| 04:11.35 | lfs | THere is no povray. What about airstrike? |
| 04:11.57 | erstss | streuner: i dont even think thats an option in my bios |
| 04:11.58 | piper69 | anyone here installed debian in a USB before |
| 04:11.59 | lfs | I want to put the pedal to the meddle |
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| 04:12.17 | streuner | erstss: great :-) |
| 04:12.35 | bunix | besides kwifimanager, what gui config can i use to enter wpa2 keys? |
| 04:12.53 | streuner | erstss: what kind of soundcard do you have more in your system? |
| 04:13.00 | lfs | So will airstrike warm up the MOBO? |
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| 04:13.18 | xerophyte | if i have string saying /home/username/public_html how can i get username from there ? |
| 04:14.29 | streuner | erstss: well, just grep 'dmesg' in order to see what the kernel detects ;-) |
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| 04:14.48 | erstss | i have a built in soundcard on the motherboard |
| 04:14.50 | erstss | ok |
| 04:14.56 | erstss | wil try that |
| 04:15.10 | streuner | another soundcard is plugged in too? |
| 04:15.18 | erstss | i have also enabled the on board soundcard now |
| 04:15.33 | streuner | we need only one |
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| 04:15.40 | erstss | jepp |
| 04:15.51 | streuner | so no other PCI soundcard? |
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| 04:16.51 | lfs | So like what is the most bleeding edge game on Debian? |
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| 04:17.12 | kraypius | pong |
| 04:17.22 | lfs | pong? |
| 04:17.40 | lfs | I hope not. |
| 04:17.46 | kraypius | lol i dunno |
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| 04:18.46 | JasonBBB | http://www.TheTruthAtLarge.com <---Site based on the discussion of Philosophy, Religion, War, and the like. Please join the forum and speak your mind. |
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| 04:18.57 | erstss | i can see any sound card at all |
| 04:19.22 | erstss | is there a way to list only sound devices in |
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| 04:19.28 | erstss | dmesg |
| 04:19.35 | piper69 | anyone |
| 04:22.31 | Ratrophy | kernel ringer! |
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| 04:22.31 | streuner | erstss: What do you think, is there another PCI soundcard in the mobo, other than the on-board chip? |
| 04:22.32 | bunix | besides kwifimanager, what gui config can i use to enter wpa2 keys? |
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| 04:22.33 | erstss | streuner:the cm8738 in a pcicard not the on board, i do not want to use that one |
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| 04:22.33 | Wiseguy | hey guys, do i want to d/l the r5 iso of debian? |
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| 04:22.54 | Guerin | Wiseguy: you tell us. |
| 04:22.58 | Wiseguy | and which cd's do i NEED to have for a basic install? |
| 04:23.11 | Guerin | Wiseguy: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 04:23.52 | kraypius | burn a netinstall cd |
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| 04:24.37 | devin_ | just curious, is there a command that can tell when you installed debian? |
| 04:24.46 | lkthomas | guys |
| 04:24.53 | lkthomas | my bios could detect SATA HDD |
| 04:24.58 | lkthomas | but not on linux, anyone have idea why ? |
| 04:25.15 | Guerin | lkthomas: old kernel - /msg dpkg etch 2.6.20 |
| 04:25.25 | lkthomas | Guerin, I am using new one |
| 04:25.32 | Guerin | lkthomas: not new enough |
| 04:25.36 | lkthomas | I compile it on my own |
| 04:25.45 | lkthomas | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.46 | Guerin | lkthomas: then that's probably your main problem |
| 04:25.48 | lkthomas | not new enought ? |
| 04:25.49 | Wiseguy | Guerin, im just looking for the newest ISO's to get a basic debian system up... im not sure what the different between the rX's are though/ |
| 04:26.01 | hark | then you screwed up.. |
| 04:26.05 | erstss | streuner: yes the cm8738 |
| 04:26.26 | Guerin | Wiseguy: the rx is just security updates - the minimum you need is a 30MB cd and a network; if you don't have a network, get CD1 |
| 04:26.38 | Guerin | Wiseguy: /msg dpkg ig |
| 04:26.43 | hark | ooh, etch 2.6.20 ;) |
| 04:27.17 | Wiseguy | ok, cool, thanks |
| 04:27.24 | streuner | erstss: ok, just throw the PCI soundcard out, and enable the on-board chip in BIOS again, run 'alsaconf' as root, adduser <user> audio, log out and back in. Use 'aumix' to turn on sound. |
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| 04:28.42 | erstss | ok |
| 04:28.58 | yoshio | erstss: modprobe snd-cmipci ; alsaconf |
| 04:29.18 | erstss | any idea why it does not work? |
| 04:29.32 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 04:29.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 04:30.08 | erstss | ;@} |
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| 04:30.10 | streuner | erstss: WHAT doesn't work? |
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| 04:30.30 | erstss | my cmi soundcard |
| 04:30.41 | yoshio | erstss: try modprobe cmipci |
| 04:30.55 | erstss | iaiaiai OK |
| 04:31.13 | lunitik | erstss: yoshio means snd-cmipci |
| 04:31.28 | lunitik | yoshio: why recommend an OSS module? |
| 04:31.31 | Ratrophy | it procrastinates calculating pi to the quadrillionth place |
| 04:31.43 | yoshio | erstss: does modprobe snd-cmipci work? - I think they are different |
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| 04:32.19 | lunitik | yoshio: snd-cmipci is the alsa module, cmipci is the old deprecated open sound system method |
| 04:32.20 | yoshio | lunitik: erstss is on 2.4.x, not 2.6.x |
| 04:32.30 | lunitik | yoshio: how do you know? |
| 04:32.32 | lfs | how to test the speaker from original configuration? |
| 04:32.32 | yoshio | ah |
| 04:32.48 | streuner | he has the ALSA modules installed |
| 04:32.52 | yoshio | lunitik: it was mentioned earlier |
| 04:33.14 | lfs | Or rather how to test the sound? |
| 04:33.15 | lkthomas | I see |
| 04:33.20 | lkthomas | SATA isn't compiled into kernel |
| 04:33.35 | Guerin | lkthomas: use the debian kernels made by kmuto |
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| 04:33.52 | Guerin | lkthomas: don't bother asking us for help with your own broken kernel builds |
| 04:34.02 | lunitik | Who's bright idea was it to not include SATA in the kernel? |
| 04:34.09 | erstss | modprobe snd-cmipci... result: can´t locate module |
| 04:34.15 | Guerin | lunitik: of course, sats IS in the kernel |
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| 04:34.37 | Guerin | just not *brand new* sata such as is found on some intel core2duo motherboards |
| 04:34.45 | bunix | is there a gui tool that will manage wpa2 wifi networks? |
| 04:34.49 | lfs | Does Gnome have some sounds somewhere? |
| 04:34.54 | Guerin | bunix: ask #wireless |
| 04:34.58 | Guerin | lunitik: yes. |
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| 04:35.03 | Guerin | lfs: yes. |
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| 04:35.21 | lunitik | Installing Sarge now is such a waste of time |
| 04:35.24 | Guerin | erstss: using 2.4? Give up. Use 2.6. |
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| 04:35.46 | Guerin | lunitik: not necessarily, etch still doesn't have security updates. |
| 04:35.50 | lunitik | Even Sarge has a 2.6 kernel on the CD |
| 04:36.18 | hark | lfs: check /usr/share/sounds/ |
| 04:36.36 | hark | bunix: network-manager does it |
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| 04:36.49 | hark | bunix: there's wifi-radar too |
| 04:36.51 | erstss | ok, but do i have to set up apache and samba again??? |
| 04:36.56 | Guerin | erstss: no. |
| 04:36.59 | Crypticfortun1 | woo. re: my ldap question a couple hours ago: answer is you have to bind to ldap using the admin DN. being root running ldapsearch is not in fact enough. |
| 04:37.01 | lunitik | Somewhat funny that Etch will be the first release to only have 1 kernel version on the CD since I started using Debian |
| 04:37.16 | erstss | how do i get 2.6 then? |
| 04:37.27 | Guerin | erstss: aptitude search kernel-image |
| 04:37.34 | Guerin | erstss: install one of the choices |
| 04:37.42 | erstss | ok tnx |
| 04:38.10 | lunitik | erstss: probably kernel-image-2.6-686 is what you really want (a meta package for latest 2.6 kernel) |
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| 04:38.49 | netdaemon | is it me or does it seem to revert my home folder configs =\ |
| 04:38.51 | lunitik | erstss: assuming the box is x86, and isn't older than a p2 |
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| 04:39.17 | netdaemon | i change my weechat config |
| 04:39.18 | Harzilein | lunitik: huh? what about the latter part? |
| 04:39.19 | netdaemon | it changes it back |
| 04:39.27 | lfs | I have no sound, where is the volume control? |
| 04:39.37 | lunitik | Harzilein: you didn't know that meta package existed? |
| 04:39.49 | Guerin | lunitik: on your amplifier |
| 04:39.51 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:39.57 | Guerin | lfs: on your amplifier |
| 04:40.11 | Harzilein | lunitik: of course, i meant that "isn'T older than a p2", but right now i did get that you mean the 686 part, not the 2.6 part |
| 04:40.36 | lunitik | Harzilein: so there is nothing further you're confused about? |
| 04:40.46 | Harzilein | lunitik: it looked for me like you were proposing 2.6 kernels only for people having p2 systems |
| 04:40.54 | Harzilein | lunitik: nopes |
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| 04:41.23 | erstss | lunitic: i have a PII 400 on a dell optiplex |
| 04:42.17 | Harzilein | speaking of sound, maybe i'll try purging all alsa stuff in hopes my alsa&alsa-oss-problem gets magically fixed ;) |
| 04:42.22 | lfs | I stuck in a CD and it says it is playing but nothing out the speakers. |
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| 04:42.34 | lfs | HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 04:43.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | lfs: Cause typing in all caps and typing a couple dozen exclamation marks is bound to get everyone to help you instantly |
| 04:44.32 | Harzilein | Dark_Apostrophe: it isn't? ;) |
| 04:44.32 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 04:44.32 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 04:44.41 | erstss | can i use apt-get to intall kernel-image-2.6-686? |
| 04:44.48 | jetscreamer | see also lsmod | grep snd |
| 04:44.51 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 04:44.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Harzilein: :) |
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| 04:45.04 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-image, pick one, apt-get install it |
| 04:45.20 | jetscreamer | linux-image when >= etch |
| 04:45.53 | Harzilein | jetscreamer: snd-pcm-oss was likely already loaded, and i want aumix (and of course every other oss using program) to not break the pcm slider |
| 04:46.18 | Harzilein | jetscreamer: oh, it wasn't about my muttering |
| 04:46.25 | Harzilein | hmm... |
| 04:46.44 | Harzilein | maybe i should just leave until i properly woke up |
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| 04:46.56 | lfs | The Front Line and Front Mic are xed out on the Volume Control |
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| 04:47.47 | lfs | cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompt. |
| 04:48.05 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# esd |
| 04:48.05 | lfs | /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 04:49.04 | kingsley | lfs: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 04:50.17 | lfs | That brings a blank |
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| 04:51.27 | lfs | Maybe a bad driver |
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| 04:53.07 | lfs | Or maybe I plugged the speakers into the wrong hole |
| 04:53.09 | markybob | !alsa-checklist |
| 04:53.09 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 04:53.43 | lfs | Thanks |
| 04:53.55 | lfs | How did you know I had an alsa? |
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| 04:54.41 | lfs | Forget that |
| 04:54.50 | lfs | I guess there are all alsas |
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| 04:55.20 | so_ | kraypius, do you see us coming in here and harassing you? |
| 04:55.26 | kraypius | lol |
| 04:55.36 | lfs | !also-checklist |
| 04:56.04 | lfs | !alsa-checklist |
| 04:56.04 | dpkg | hmm... alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 05:01.20 | erstss | WOW-the kernel upgrade gave me sound, yes yess yessssssss |
| 05:01.31 | erstss | thank you guys |
| 05:02.05 | Guerin | !win erstss |
| 05:02.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, erstss! You have won the US presidency! |
| 05:02.15 | erstss | he he he |
| 05:02.18 | erstss | ;@} |
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| 05:05.36 | phorce1 | well crap! It was all going so well moving from sarge to etch -- then I tried to install a 2.6 linux image. Kerblooie. No more boot. "ALERT! /dev/sdb1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell" Ideas? |
| 05:05.57 | phorce1 | I'm stuck in a busybox shell |
| 05:07.07 | lfs | Well does /dev/sdb1 exist? |
| 05:07.50 | bknitram | What should /dev/sdb1 be? Is it somewhere else now? |
| 05:07.53 | phorce1 | I'm pretty sure the kernel install went to udev and something went wrong with udev. There is no /dev/sd-anything |
| 05:08.41 | lfs | Most likely it is a SATA HDD |
| 05:08.58 | lfs | DO you have a SATA HDD? |
| 05:09.10 | bknitram | Then maybe the drivers are not there... |
| 05:09.33 | lfs | How many HDDs do you have? |
| 05:09.42 | phorce1 | No -- this is a sparc Ultra2. Scsi and the drivers are native. |
| 05:10.01 | lfs | /dev/sdb1 is a scsi device |
| 05:10.14 | phorce1 | yes |
| 05:10.21 | lfs | The kernel is looking for it. |
| 05:10.25 | lfs | It sounds like |
| 05:10.59 | phorce1 | but installing linix-image-2.6.18 tried to install udev and that seems to have moved it somewhere else. |
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| 05:11.41 | phorce1 | or the initrd is somehow messed up -- but if that were the case then it wouldn't drop to the busybox terminal (which is in the initrd |
| 05:11.45 | phorce1 | ) |
| 05:11.45 | erstss | is libogg and libvorbis implemented in debian 2.6? |
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| 05:12.30 | lfs | The kernel is coded to look for a device to root on. |
| 05:12.36 | markybob | erstss, that question doesnt even begin to make sense. |
| 05:12.37 | lfs | Or it least is was. |
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| 05:12.50 | bknitram | erstss: Its in the resportory. |
| 05:12.51 | phorce1 | actually, the initrd is coded for the root device. |
| 05:13.23 | keropok | my apt-get update stuck at 99% |
| 05:13.56 | lfs | How did you install the kernel? |
| 05:14.05 | phorce1 | OK, I guess I'm going to have to burn an Etch-Sparc netinst CD and use rescue mode to figure out what broke |
| 05:14.12 | keropok | bzip2 prob maybe |
| 05:14.31 | phorce1 | lfs: apt-get install linux-image-... |
| 05:14.31 | Guerin | keropok: try it again |
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| 05:15.00 | phorce1 | keropok: CTRL-C then run it again. It won't have to download again. |
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| 05:17.26 | erstss | i want to setup ices2 and icecast to stream audio form my debian machine, i have installed both. what next? |
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| 05:17.45 | erstss | eh... from |
| 05:17.59 | lfs | I am really impressed with how well this Debian desktop works |
| 05:18.22 | erstss | and how do i remove the 2.4 kernel |
| 05:18.24 | keropok | phorce1 still the same error |
| 05:18.30 | markybob | erstss, google a tutorial |
| 05:18.37 | erstss | ;@} |
| 05:18.40 | phorce1 | aha! I already have a netinst .iso sitting on my drive. Burnin time. |
| 05:18.40 | keropok | Guerin 3 times try |
| 05:19.01 | Guerin | keropok: any trouble installing stuff? |
| 05:19.08 | keropok | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/source/Sources.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2 |
| 05:19.27 | keropok | not new install.. only updating the package |
| 05:19.36 | Guerin | keropok: just ignore for now |
| 05:19.54 | markybob | erstss, google remove package in debian ? the first (and second) links tell you how to remove packages |
| 05:19.59 | keropok | ok :P |
| 05:20.16 | keropok | try laterz |
| 05:20.25 | phorce1 | keropok: do you NEED sources to recompile debian packages? |
| 05:20.48 | Guerin | phorce1: yes. Without sources it's VERY hard to recompile debian packages ;) |
| 05:20.56 | yoshio | phorce1: what does cat /proc/scsi/scsi say? |
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| 05:21.25 | keropok | phorce1 yes recompile ALL package |
| 05:21.51 | jetscreamer | that's like a steak without a cow |
| 05:21.59 | Sebo | Hi!! Where can I permamently change PATH var for all users?? |
| 05:22.03 | Guerin | keropok: wtf |
| 05:22.06 | phorce1 | Guerin: ;-) OK, reword. keropok: Do you ever recompile debian packages yourself? If not, then comment out the source lines in sources.list |
| 05:22.11 | jetscreamer | /etc/profile i think |
| 05:22.13 | Guerin | keropok: #gentoo is ---> thataway |
| 05:22.16 | phorce1 | keropok: WHY would you do that? |
| 05:22.26 | phorce1 | yoshio: wait one. |
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| 05:23.17 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0 |
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| 05:23.46 | phorce1 | yoshio: no such file or directory. I'm pretty sure the initrd got fubar'd during the install. I'm stuck at an "{initramfs}" prompt |
| 05:23.50 | keropok | phorce1: ok already comment the source lines, tq |
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| 05:24.15 | Sebo | jetscreamer: thx |
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| 05:25.29 | phorce1 | yoshio: In fact, I just looked and there is no /proc/scsi at all. That's hosed up. |
| 05:25.39 | keropok | Guerin: no more gentoo emergee |
| 05:26.00 | keropok | away all |
| 05:26.14 | jetscreamer | i too want to hand compile every debian package |
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| 05:26.26 | jetscreamer | i just finished |
| 05:29.20 | phorce1 | ok> boot cdrom |
| 05:29.32 | alamo | would someone say "I have no time"? |
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| 05:30.08 | phorce1 | hey, how come the D-I goes to the "install" process when I select "rescue" at boot? |
| 05:30.22 | alamo | or "you are wasting of time" |
| 05:30.47 | phorce1 | oh, wants to detect hardware |
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| 05:36.08 | Sememmon | anyone have a moment to help me with my mysql debian-sys-maint account? I made a silly mistake and need to grant the account the correct privileges so that log ration occurs properly once more. |
| 05:37.42 | Gnea | Sememmon: not without knowing what the exact problem is |
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| 05:38.44 | Sememmon | Gnea: Its complaining about not having the SUPER privilege. I'm poking around in mysql now, checking out what grants it has and sure enough, no super. Its not letting me add it though for some reason, even tho my current user has all permissions.. |
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| 05:39.33 | Guerin | Sememmon: why are you talking to #debian about it? Ask #mysql |
| 05:39.45 | Gnea | Sememmon: that doesn't sound like a debian question |
| 05:39.45 | Sememmon | my cron.dail/mysql-server is dying on the show master logs command because my debian-sys-maint account got borked. |
| 05:39.53 | roxy_ | hi, is there a channel for amd64 ? |
| 05:39.57 | Sememmon | Because it was related to a debian account. FIgured I'd start here first. |
| 05:39.59 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 05:39.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 05:40.02 | Gnea | roxy_: yup |
| 05:40.08 | roxy_ | Gnea: thanks |
| 05:40.21 | Sememmon | Figured it was specific to deiban and its log rotation. Not to mysql in general. =] |
| 05:40.26 | Sememmon | der, debian. |
| 05:40.27 | Gnea | Sememmon: if you can login via the commandline, then you're problem should be solved |
| 05:40.55 | Sememmon | I can, and am currently, but I'm also a mysql novice. |
| 05:41.13 | Gnea | why can't mysql rotate logs? |
| 05:41.22 | Sememmon | And I'm not sure what permissions the debian-sys-maint had previously |
| 05:41.26 | roxy_ | Gnea: sort of: Irssi: #debian-amd64: Total of 1 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 0 normal] |
| 05:41.40 | roxy_ | i am lonely :-) |
| 05:41.56 | Gnea | heh, i haven't run the amd64 in quite awhile |
| 05:42.20 | Sememmon | Gnea: Because I was dumb and wiped out my user table in the mysql database. =] I've since recovered things somewhat, but the cron job keeps erroring on that SHOW MASTER LOGS; command. |
| 05:42.24 | roxy_ | Gnea: I got mc crashing constently and I think it is amd64 related but would like to check |
| 05:42.52 | Gnea | Sememmon: oh ok - so basically you trashed the user table in mysql, thus preventing the log procedure from occuring - nice. |
| 05:43.06 | Sememmon | I'm just wondering what global privileges debian-sys-maint has by default |
| 05:43.23 | Gnea | Sememmon: you should be able to rebuild it all - have you read anything in /usr/share/doc/mysql-common/ ? |
| 05:43.24 | Sememmon | Gnea: Yep, pretty much. Still mad at myself for that one.. but oh well, live and learn. |
| 05:43.46 | Sememmon | Gnea: Hm, shame on me, I have not. I'll go take a look. |
| 05:43.57 | Gnea | ok |
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| 05:45.46 | Sememmon | hm, not much in there.. |
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| 05:47.29 | litage | what would cause mysqld to start, but fail to create /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid and /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ? the perms on /var/run/mysqld/ are 0755 and mysql:root |
| 05:48.05 | Sememmon | Gnea: Any other recommendations on where to look to get this fixed? |
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| 05:48.37 | roxy_ | Gnea: there are people in #debian-amd64, I was using the wrong server :/ |
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| 05:48.54 | Gnea | Sememmon: check the other mysql-* dirs in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 05:50.03 | cableroy | i'm trying to run modsecruity-console but it complains that java is not installed, but i think java is installed, but this is what i get: No suitable Java Virtual Machine could be found on your system.The version of the JVM must be at least 1.4. Please define INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME to point to a suitable JVM. any suggestions? |
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| 05:51.02 | Sememmon | Gnea: ty, reading. more questions to come, most likely. |
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| 05:55.43 | Sememmon | Gnea: WOO! Fixed =] |
| 05:57.17 | Sememmon | I wonder why a grant super didn't work.. |
| 05:57.38 | Gnea | heh |
| 05:58.17 | yoshio | Sememmon: look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.{preinst,postinst} (specifically the postinst file - it has something about granting Super_priv) |
| 05:58.49 | Sememmon | yoshio: Hmm, will do. wonder if that applies to my version though? I'm running in a bit of an older environment.. |
| 05:59.16 | Gnea | Sememmon: woody? |
| 05:59.45 | Sememmon | My mysql version: 4.0.24_Debian-10sarge2-log |
| 05:59.52 | Gnea | aaah |
| 05:59.53 | yoshio | Sememmon: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info |grep mysql , look for preinst and postinst files |
| 05:59.55 | streuner | Sememmon: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 06:00.54 | Sememmon | yoshio: found em, will take a look. |
| 06:01.31 | Sememmon | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 06:02.54 | Gnea | hrmmmm |
| 06:02.54 | streuner | sure, they use stable. |
| 06:03.03 | Gnea | Sememmon: what about apt-cache show libc6 | grep Version ? |
| 06:03.40 | Sememmon | Gnea: Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 |
| 06:03.49 | Gnea | ok cool |
| 06:04.19 | Gnea | it's not too ancient |
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| 06:04.24 | Gnea | sarge is quite solid |
| 06:04.46 | Sememmon | It has worked well for me thus far. |
| 06:04.49 | Gnea | Sememmon: i wouldn't run anything other than sarge on any of my production servers |
| 06:05.04 | Gnea | i used to run sid on them... what a mistake |
| 06:05.17 | tengulre | I have 3 linux servers ( running the same services), I want building the cluster with them ,which cluster tools is best? |
| 06:05.43 | Gnea | !best |
| 06:05.44 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 06:05.52 | Gnea | tengulre: cluster? |
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| 06:06.25 | Sememmon | Mm.. I really need to spend more time learning how debian does things.. I'm much more familiar with other distros. -_-' |
| 06:06.37 | tengulre | Gnea: what's wrong? |
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| 06:06.56 | Gnea | tengulre: what do you want the cluster to do? |
| 06:07.03 | Sememmon | Gnea: I remember running sid on this same system quite a while ago and having things break on a regular basis. That was not fun. =] |
| 06:07.15 | Gnea | Sememmon: hehe |
| 06:07.46 | Gnea | i'm trying to get my dual-head setup to behave |
| 06:07.59 | Sememmon | Gnea: Anywho, thanks again for the help. |
| 06:08.07 | Gnea | np |
| 06:08.12 | Sebo | Hi!! Where is the default folder where debian programs holds their files ;> (I'm making another one and I'd like it to fallow the convenction ;] ) so?? |
| 06:08.25 | tengulre | Gnea: I have 3 linux boxs and running same applications, so I want to building the cluster arch, only one server provider service outside. how to do? |
| 06:08.37 | Gnea | Sebo: / |
| 06:08.57 | Gnea | tengulre: what applications? to provide what purpose? |
| 06:09.20 | Gnea | tengulre: this information is required so that we can tell you what you will need |
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| 06:09.22 | tengulre | Gnea: web |
| 06:09.29 | Gnea | web? web what? |
| 06:09.44 | tengulre | Gnea: apache+J2EE+mysql |
| 06:09.45 | Gnea | look, don't ask vague questions, you won't get any help that way. |
| 06:09.51 | Gnea | aaaah |
| 06:09.54 | Samus_Aran | does anyone know what CFLAGS I can use for GCC so that an app doesn't require GLIBC_2.3, but just GLIBC_2.0 ? |
| 06:09.58 | Sebo | Gnea: But not strictly at / ... I mean settings usualy are @ /etc binaries @ /bin |
| 06:10.20 | Gnea | Sebo: your questions was vague. try again. |
| 06:10.40 | Gnea | if you insist on being paranoid about it, then you will lose. |
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| 06:14.01 | lotus-blade | i can not get my usb devices to mount. how do I get them to work? |
| 06:14.13 | Sebo | The point is I've made ns-2 from src and now I've got it @ /root/ns-allinone-2.31 but it can't be there bacause normal users can't acces /root so where to move it?? |
| 06:14.26 | streuner | lotus-blade: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:15.17 | Sebo | I know that it'll work even @ / but I'd like to fallow the convenction |
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| 06:15.39 | lotus-blade | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 06:16.05 | streuner | lotus-blade seems to be etch or sid, just upgrade the packages |
| 06:16.11 | mobal | hello |
| 06:16.19 | streuner | lotus-blade: does the kernel 'see' those devices? |
| 06:16.26 | mobal | i am a noob |
| 06:16.27 | mobal | pls help |
| 06:16.31 | mobal | if i install deian netinst |
| 06:16.35 | streuner | lotus-blade: what does 'lsusb' say? |
| 06:16.37 | lotus-blade | I see them in the device lis |
| 06:16.44 | mobal | how can i and what i must install, i want to use xfce |
| 06:16.59 | streuner | lotus-blade: /msg dpkg usb storage |
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| 06:17.19 | lotus-blade | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0ecd:a100 Lite-On IT Corp. |
| 06:17.20 | lotus-blade | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 06:17.20 | lotus-blade | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 058f:6387 Alcor Micro Corp. |
| 06:17.20 | lotus-blade | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
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| 06:18.30 | streuner | Lite-On is an external CDROM? |
| 06:18.30 | Sebo | Ok so I'll move it at / and don't think about it ;] |
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| 06:18.50 | mobal | help me :'( |
| 06:18.56 | maxamillion | anyone in here use smart package manager? |
| 06:19.39 | maxamillion | also, when using aptitude and it comes up with an unmet dependency and gives you a solution with a score ... how is the score supposed to be interpreted? |
| 06:19.50 | Sebo | ...i Iust wonted to know where It would be If you made it deb official package ;] |
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| 06:21.41 | lotus-blade | so how do I load usb-storage? |
| 06:22.32 | yoshio | lotus-blade: modprobe usb-storage |
| 06:24.01 | hark | Sebo: read debian-policy? |
| 06:24.04 | streuner | !tell lotus-blade about usb storage |
| 06:24.49 | Gnea | phorce1: was the system broken in some way before the upgrade? |
| 06:25.16 | phorce1 | Gnea: No. Just moving from sarge to etch and (I thought) from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 06:25.26 | Gnea | heh... |
| 06:25.50 | Gnea | phorce1: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before doing the upgrade. udev doesn't work with a currently running 2.4 kernel. never has, never will. |
| 06:26.06 | phorce1 | Gnea: newer versions of a few things in Etch that I want to play with and the last box I upgraded went fine. Of course I didn't mess with the kernel |
| 06:26.34 | yoshio | streuner: usb storage doesn't have the term 'modprobe' in it |
| 06:26.53 | Gnea | phorce1: well, etch isn't exactly finished yet... and the kernel is one of the issues right now that's already known |
| 06:27.00 | phorce1 | Gnea: I'm back to a MOSTLY working 2.4.17 box. Just trying to figure out how to get it to upgrade cleanly to 2.6.whatever |
| 06:27.15 | streuner | yoshio: feel free to edit the factoid, but most people know about how to load a simple kernel module... |
| 06:27.20 | Gnea | phorce1: that's easy - install a 2.6 kernel and reboot |
| 06:27.27 | Gnea | phorce1: THEN perform the upgrade |
| 06:27.48 | hark | phorce1: read the etch release notes (the upgrading section) |
| 06:28.01 | phorce1 | Gnea: Already upgraded to etch with 2.4.17. And installing 2.6 after that caused a kerblooie. |
| 06:28.24 | Gnea | phorce1: what, exactly, is the problem? |
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| 06:28.36 | yoshio | mobal: did you install via netinst? |
| 06:29.00 | phorce1 | Gnea: after reboot it suddenly can't find any of the drives. |
| 06:29.41 | Gnea | phorce1: no pun intended, but what drives? |
| 06:29.51 | phorce1 | (oh, and another cute part is that I must manually load the cdrom driver from the netinst cd -- if I let the "detect" run it hangs the machine) |
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| 06:30.23 | phorce1 | Gnea: all of them. There's nothing listed in /dev/scsi |
| 06:30.24 | Gnea | phorce1: did you put thise system together by hand or did you buy it pre-assembled? |
| 06:30.43 | Gnea | right, scsi devices are never listed in /dev/scsi |
| 06:30.54 | Gnea | they'd be /dev/sdX# |
| 06:31.00 | Gnea | or /dev/sr# (for cdrom) |
| 06:31.11 | phorce1 | Gnea: the cdrom driver hanging is a known issue (at least in some random Ubuntu forum -- yuck) |
| 06:31.25 | phorce1 | Gnea: I meant /proc/scsi |
| 06:31.26 | Gnea | phorce1: this is debian, not ubuntu. |
| 06:31.46 | hark | yoshio: he left.. didn't wait for long |
| 06:31.49 | Gnea | phorce1: what scsi controller do you have? or is it really sata? |
| 06:32.17 | phorce1 | Gnea: but it's a D-I installer problem that happened to be mentioned in an ubuntu forum while I was googling for a reason that the machine was hanging while detecting the cdrom |
| 06:32.33 | phorce1 | Gnea: Oh crap -- sorry. this is a Sparc Ultra2 |
| 06:32.43 | Gnea | LOL |
| 06:32.46 | Kizmet | lol |
| 06:32.51 | Gnea | !sparc |
| 06:32.52 | dpkg | i heard sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
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| 06:34.12 | phorce1 | Gnea: Actually, etch installs quite well on my Ultra1 machines. I have one that I test all new installs on. And the etch upgrade was going fine until I hit the 2.4 to 2.6 snag. |
| 06:34.29 | phorce1 | <sigh> |
| 06:35.09 | Gnea | i have a sparcstation5 that i haven't powered on in eons |
| 06:36.19 | phorce1 | I have 4 Ultra1s, and Ultra2, an Ultra5, and a quad CPU AXMP system. |
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| 06:36.40 | phorce1 | 3 of the 1's, and the 2 are working right now |
| 06:36.48 | Gnea | nice |
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| 06:37.25 | phorce1 | I really want to get that AXMP box problem figured out. Quad 360MHz CPUs and 4ig of RAM |
| 06:37.33 | phorce1 | but no boot |
| 06:38.05 | Guerin | Gnea: make sure you reset the hardware clock before you boot, otherwise you might run into the y1k bug ;) |
| 06:38.29 | Gnea | heh |
| 06:41.00 | lotus-blade | how do you tell what /dev is assigned to a device? |
| 06:41.01 | phorce1 | I have a stack of A100 SCSI raid boxes (end tables) taking up space with 108 total 4.5Gig drives installed. I need to clean the dirt-dauber nests out before testing --- and attach a KW meter to see how hard they'll bite my wallet if I use them. |
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| 06:46.33 | EbilPhish | !bot |
| 06:46.33 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 06:46.53 | lotus-blade | what do I do to get a dev installed, I have no sda1 or anything like it |
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| 06:47.29 | sep | lotus-blade, load it's kernel module usually |
| 06:47.57 | perlmonkey | mornin guys |
| 06:49.43 | Kizmet | bbl |
| 06:49.47 | perlmonkey | I'm trying to install mythtv-frontend (for stable) on my laptop which is running stable, but it says it can't due to two dependencies which arent or cant be installed. I've done a dist-upgrade but nothing much was upgraded strangely, |
| 06:49.52 | perlmonkey | any ideas? |
| 06:50.39 | hark | why do you need sda1 specifically? |
| 06:51.10 | hark | what dependencies.. ? |
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| 06:51.29 | perlmonkey | if i do install libqt3c102-mt (one of the dependencies for mythtv-frontend) it says, its gonna remove pretty much most of my system! about 304MB |
| 06:51.53 | perlmonkey | mythtv-frontend: Depends: libmyth-0.20. ibqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) |
| 06:51.57 | hark | it's not in debian ttbomk |
| 06:52.16 | hark | are you using marillat's repository? |
| 06:52.19 | perlmonkey | im using the debian-multimedia source |
| 06:52.20 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 06:52.29 | EbilPhish | Anyway to find what package own a file? |
| 06:53.02 | hark | dpkg -S |
| 06:53.07 | yoshio | lotus-blade: after doing modprobe usb-storage and modprobe sd-mod , look at the output of dmesg, it should tell you which device |
| 06:53.13 | streuner | perlmonkey: show us your sources.list and the whole error in paster bot |
| 06:53.19 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 06:53.38 | EbilPhish | ta |
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| 06:54.54 | hark | udev, hal, gnome-volume-manager is better |
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| 06:55.51 | perlmonkey | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5816 |
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| 06:56.26 | hark | !info libqt3c102-mt sarge |
| 06:56.30 | dpkg | libqt3c102-mt: (Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version 3), section libs, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.4-3sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2973 kB, Installed size: 7428 kB |
| 06:56.36 | perlmonkey | phew |
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| 06:56.39 | lkthomas | guys |
| 06:56.47 | lkthomas | what's diff between dmraid and mdadm ? |
| 06:57.04 | aptura | where are all the apt-get packages installed at? i did a apt-get install gcc-2.? and it was downloaded but not compiled |
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| 06:57.48 | perlmonkey | hark: is my system too out of date? |
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| 06:58.18 | hark | what happens if you explicitly install the libqt package.. what version is it? |
| 06:58.27 | perlmonkey | i will try |
| 06:58.43 | perlmonkey | libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) |
| 06:59.03 | hark | yes, that's already in sarge ^ |
| 06:59.29 | perlmonkey | oh sorry |
| 06:59.32 | aptura | where are all the apt-get packages installed at? i did a apt-get install gcc-2.? and it was downloaded but not compiled |
| 06:59.32 | yoshio | aptura: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 06:59.38 | aptura | K |
| 07:00.35 | hark | you mean you chose the --download-only option? |
| 07:00.49 | perlmonkey | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
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| 07:01.53 | perlmonkey | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5817 |
| 07:01.56 | perlmonkey | apologies |
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| 07:03.16 | hark | wtf.. what does dpkg -l kdebase say? |
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| 07:03.45 | perlmonkey | thats fuked up eh |
| 07:03.48 | perlmonkey | ii kdebase 3.3.2-1sarge3 KDE Base metapackage |
| 07:03.53 | hark | !info kdebase sarge |
| 07:03.59 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 07:05.27 | hark | !depends libqt3c102-mt sarge |
| 07:05.32 | dpkg | libqt3c102-mt: depends on libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, libmng1 (>= 1.0.3-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxrandr2 | xlibs (>> 4.3.0), libxrender1, libxt6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), ... |
| 07:05.36 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 07:07.08 | perlmonkey | my kernel is 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 07:07.31 | hark | perlmonkey: ok, finally pastebin apt-cache policy libqt3c102-mt |
| 07:07.36 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 07:08.28 | perlmonkey | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5818 |
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| 07:11.15 | hark | that seems fine as well |
| 07:11.22 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 07:11.46 | hark | ran an aptitude update and aptitude upgrade? |
| 07:12.07 | perlmonkey | i did apt, but not aptitude, should I try? |
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| 07:12.37 | dutchfish | hi guys, i have a hard time getting my desktop configged for a resolution of 1680x1050@60Hz while my LCD display is recognized i have only option to set it at 1680x1050@75Hz wich of coarse doesnt work, how to setup this manually? i tried dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg already many times? my card uses i910 driver. |
| 07:13.58 | hark | let me check pdo |
| 07:14.21 | yoshio | dutchfish: you may have to install xresprobe, then do the dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 07:14.45 | potolo | !depends libqt3-mt sarge |
| 07:14.59 | dutchfish | yoshio, i guessed this was installed by default in a normal desktop install? |
| 07:15.44 | dutchfish | yoshio, yes it is installed |
| 07:17.21 | dutchfish | yoshio, it give these for my DELL E228WFP: res: 1280x1024 1152x864 1024x768 800x600 720x400 640x480, wich is incorrect |
| 07:17.28 | perlmonkey | whats that command to do the X server config |
| 07:17.40 | perlmonkey | that lets you manually enter the freq if im not mistaken |
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| 07:18.06 | perlmonkey | xserver86-config or something, some weird name |
| 07:18.41 | yoshio | perlmonkey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:18.44 | dutchfish | perlmonkey, no its dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in etch |
| 07:18.51 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 07:19.23 | dutchfish | yoshio, any hints? |
| 07:20.53 | yoshio | for my laptop, it has a weird resolution, I had to install xresprobe and laptop-detect before doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to get that weird resolution as a choice |
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| 07:21.12 | yoshio | the weird resolution is 1280x800 |
| 07:21.15 | dutchfish | yoshio, also freq: 30-83 56-75 this is incorrect |
| 07:21.28 | hark | perlmonkey: i think it conflicts with libqt3-mt, that's why |
| 07:21.36 | perlmonkey | oh :-/ |
| 07:21.53 | perlmonkey | is the solution to upgrade to testing? |
| 07:22.56 | yoshio | dutchfish: /usr/sbin/xresprobe --help says that laptop-detect must be installed for it to work correctly |
| 07:23.19 | dutchfish | yoshio, also on a non-laptop machine? |
| 07:23.39 | dutchfish | yoshio, ill try |
| 07:24.01 | dutchfish | yoshio, its also installed already |
| 07:24.24 | hark | perlmonkey: hmm, maybe it's a bug with that package.. the one in sid depends on libqt3-mt fwiw |
| 07:24.26 | cableroy | anyone using modsecurity for webhosting with alot of domains? have you put excludes in exclude.conf or in the vhost for each domain? |
| 07:24.54 | yoshio | dutchfish: you can try using the 'simple' mode to get the freqs, rather than advanced |
| 07:24.58 | hark | perlmonkey: check apt-cache depends libqtc-whatever and see ifit has a conflict for libqt3-mt |
| 07:25.01 | dutchfish | cableroy, in the vhost for each domain, at least i did |
| 07:25.17 | dutchfish | yoshio, ok, ill try |
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| 07:25.25 | blue | is there an easy way to get vim7 for debian stable? |
| 07:25.54 | xinming_ | I have a partition which contains "My personal data. eg: mp3, video, books", Where should I mount to make it System Hierarchy Standard compliant? |
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| 07:26.21 | dutchfish | brb |
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| 07:28.18 | damog | xinming_: /mnt |
| 07:28.45 | damog | blue: Use backports.org. |
| 07:28.46 | perlmonkey | hark: I'm not sure what you mean by libqtc-whatever |
| 07:29.26 | hark | your home i guess, unless you want to serve them.. then /srv |
| 07:29.58 | hark | perlmonkey: libqt3c102-mt |
| 07:30.04 | xinming_ | damog: But I just read the 2.3 version of this, It's said, It's used for temporarily mount... |
| 07:30.14 | perlmonkey | oh sorry, the qtc threw me |
| 07:30.27 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:31.36 | perlmonkey | hark: it says it conflicts with: libqt3-mt, libqui1-emb and libqt3c-mt |
| 07:32.03 | blue | damog: thanks |
| 07:33.08 | hark | perlmonkey: yeah, that's probably the reason, and if you do a depends on kdebase you should see that it depends on libqt3-mt and not that one |
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| 07:34.54 | perlmonkey | apt-cache depends kdebase, doesnt list libqt3-mt as a dependency |
| 07:36.00 | perlmonkey | the only "lib" it lists as dependency is libkonq4 |
| 07:36.55 | hark | apt-rdepends would do it.. try instead with say kdesktop or konqueror |
| 07:37.02 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 07:37.23 | perlmonkey | ah yes |
| 07:37.34 | perlmonkey | depends on libqt3-mt |
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| 07:37.55 | hark | but pdo says libqt3c102-mt |
| 07:38.05 | perlmonkey | strange |
| 07:38.12 | hark | http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/kdesktop |
| 07:38.17 | perlmonkey | is my system perhaps too far out of date? |
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| 07:39.10 | perlmonkey | oh yes i see |
| 07:39.23 | perlmonkey | what happened to my sys eh |
| 07:39.55 | perlmonkey | an upgrade to testing would fail eh |
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| 07:41.13 | hark | moment |
| 07:41.16 | perlmonkey | i cant even install gnumeric |
| 07:41.20 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 07:43.57 | hark | perlmonkey: try apt-get install libqt3c102-mt libqt3-mt- |
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| 07:46.56 | perlmonkey | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5819 |
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| 07:47.38 | perlmonkey | i should proceed and then reinstall kde? |
| 07:48.43 | hark | perlmonkey: were you on testing or something before? |
| 07:48.53 | perlmonkey | it's possible |
| 07:48.56 | hark | !info libqt3-mt sarge |
| 07:49.50 | hark | yeah, it's not even in sarge |
| 07:49.57 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
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| 07:50.11 | perlmonkey | im screwed? a reinstall is in order? |
| 07:50.23 | hark | now we know why downgrades don't work |
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| 07:51.09 | yoshio | perlmonkey: do you have the security updates line in your /etc/apt/sources.list? http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libqt3c102-mt says there is a security udpate |
| 07:51.13 | potolo | perlmonkey: just don't install mythtv-frontend or libqtthing? |
| 07:51.24 | perlmonkey | i need frontend |
| 07:51.48 | hark | or upgrade to etch.. it's going to be stable 'soon' anyway |
| 07:51.55 | potolo | Though if it's uninstallable on your system, that's well, by the by. |
| 07:51.57 | yoshio | potolo: in your email to the kde people with your public key - is your public key all on one line? it needs to be on one line |
| 07:52.09 | potolo | co-sign what hark said |
| 07:52.34 | perlmonkey | i will try to upgrade to testing |
| 07:52.35 | potolo | yoshio: Yes. Checked that. :) The key was sent as a file attachment, but the file itself has it all on one line yes. |
| 07:52.57 | hark | just 31 rc bugs left |
| 07:53.18 | perlmonkey | yoshio deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 07:53.41 | perlmonkey | no security updates for testing eh, commented it out |
| 07:54.07 | potolo | I msg'd the openssh maintainer cjwatson via IRC yesterday, after asking advice here if etiquette/courtesy permitted it. He msg'd back this PM with "Yes" (i.e I'm around). I outlined the problem and shared links to the verbose debug output & versions on pastebin.ca. I haven't heard back from him though. |
| 07:54.41 | potolo | Quick! Let's all haxxor perlmonkey's system! ;p |
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| 07:54.53 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 07:55.46 | potolo | At the time Sarge went stable, there wasn't a security updates system in place for Etch. It came shortly after the release of Sarge as Stable. |
| 07:56.13 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 07:56.41 | potolo | Anyway, that isn't particularly useful information these days... |
| 07:57.03 | perlmonkey | connections to security seem very slow today |
| 07:57.13 | perlmonkey | timing out almost |
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| 07:58.02 | potolo | perlmonkey: Do you have a torrent client running in the background, downloading episodes of Stargate SG-1 or Stargate Atlantis? That can slow system update file transfers down. |
| 07:58.07 | potolo | I imagine. |
| 07:58.14 | perlmonkey | haha no |
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| 07:58.23 | xinming | damog: sorry, connection is cut, could you please tell me what does /mnt normally used for please? |
| 07:58.53 | potolo | Then I'm out've ideas ;). Seriously though it's probably a transient load issue on the security repositories. |
| 07:59.05 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 07:59.06 | yoshio | perlmonkey: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/09/msg00006.html |
| 07:59.11 | Supaplex | Why does sarge break this initrd at pivot_root? http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/vmware/FC4%20to%20Sarge/01-pivot_root%20no%20such%20file%20or%20directory.png |
| 07:59.24 | xinming | damog: I know /media is for removable. and /mnt is used for chroot install, But I don't think this will be Filesystem hierarchy standard compliant |
| 07:59.42 | perlmonkey | that's cool |
| 07:59.50 | perlmonkey | security for testing is much welcomed |
| 07:59.53 | potolo | xinming's original question was "<xinming_> I have a partition which contains "My personal data. eg: mp3, video, books", Where should I mount to make it System Hierarchy Standard compliant?". damof suggested /mnt. ? |
| 08:00.11 | xinming | potolo: yes. |
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| 08:00.28 | xinming | hmm, sorry, I find some problem. :-) |
| 08:00.31 | potolo | xinming: Will it be permanently mounted? I.e do you want it always accessible, loaded at boot time etc |
| 08:00.44 | xinming | potolo: It will be loaded at boot time. |
| 08:00.58 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 08:01.06 | xinming | potolo: and always accessable. |
| 08:01.09 | perlmonkey | now im in an impossible situation |
| 08:01.15 | potolo | Well it sounds like something I'd expect to find under 'home' |
| 08:01.18 | bkw | I got a email from cron today, "Cron <root@tor> test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) saying /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: |
| 08:01.18 | bkw | sh: host: command not found 2000 times. |
| 08:01.19 | perlmonkey | not enough disk space to upgrade to testing :-/ |
| 08:01.29 | xinming | potolo: do you mean user's home? |
| 08:01.31 | bkw | why? |
| 08:01.38 | potolo | perlmonkey: apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean |
| 08:01.42 | potolo | xinming: yes |
| 08:01.56 | Supaplex | bkw: run "which host" |
| 08:02.01 | perlmonkey | potolo: i'm already there, ive squeezed every last bit ;-) |
| 08:02.02 | xinming | potolo: But I want it globally accessible, no matter which user logged on |
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| 08:02.07 | Supaplex | bkw: or host www.debian.org |
| 08:02.07 | perlmonkey | i may have to uninstall a lot of stuff |
| 08:02.21 | xinming | potolo: In fact, I found, FHS doesn't tell us about this. |
| 08:02.29 | perlmonkey | dev/hda3 2.7G 2.0G 584M 78% / |
| 08:02.35 | bkw | Supaplex, host is installled |
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| 08:02.44 | bkw | bkw@tor:/etc/logrotate.d$ which host |
| 08:02.44 | bkw | /usr/bin/host |
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| 08:03.06 | Supaplex | bkw: it might not be in the path when that's running. |
| 08:03.28 | bkw | hm |
| 08:03.39 | bkw | how do I know what triggs that error? |
| 08:03.47 | perlmonkey | if I delete ALL my logs in var/log I can upgrade |
| 08:03.50 | perlmonkey | may as well eh |
| 08:03.52 | xinming | potolo: In some situation. eg. we want to backup debian's /var/cache/apt/archives into different partition. And I don't think we should have a partition for this soly purpose. So, we need a bigger partition which holding many data whichi is like kernel source, and compile kernel there, and with debian archives. |
| 08:04.19 | potolo | xinming: For example, if you had a separate partition formatted as FAT32 (to make it dually available to Windows say) then /etc/fstab would contain a line like this: /dev/hdb6 /windows vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 08:04.41 | potolo | That would make it writable by non-root users |
| 08:04.45 | xinming | potolo: It's mounted at boot, and it's accessible to everyone who logged on this machine. |
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| 08:04.52 | potolo | perlmonkey: or tar/gzip them |
| 08:05.05 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 08:05.20 | xinming | potolo: well, I know how to write fstab line. What I need is just a mount point suggestion. ;-) |
| 08:05.27 | jpin | Hi, how long will this debian "freeze" last..? anyone? i've been wanting to get 2.6.21 for some time now.. |
| 08:05.29 | bkw | Supaplex, any ideas? |
| 08:05.44 | potolo | I gave that too grin |
| 08:05.45 | perlmonkey | it says i need to get 667MB of archives. i have 674MB free space...can it unpack it you think? |
| 08:05.58 | potolo | I don't think so perlmonkey |
| 08:05.59 | perlmonkey | it says 406MB space will be used after unpackaging |
| 08:06.02 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 08:06.11 | SlayerXP | jpin: hold up your left hand and point to something with your left index finger. |
| 08:06.16 | perlmonkey | so i need another 406MB eh |
| 08:06.21 | SlayerXP | jpin: then do the same with your right hand and right index finger |
| 08:06.38 | SlayerXP | jpin: now draw an imaginary line between the tips of your left and right index fingers. |
| 08:06.46 | SlayerXP | jpin: that's how long the freeze will be. |
| 08:07.06 | perlmonkey | i will have to mount the packages dir onto my raid, its the only way |
| 08:07.14 | Guerin | jpin: if those instructions are too complexicated, a piece of string will suffice |
| 08:07.35 | jpin | Slaughter: hehe... i kind of imagined 3 lines... |
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| 08:09.11 | jpin | i've just been checking changelogs of kernel rc's ...and it makes me wanting to update (but in the debian way..) |
| 08:09.53 | Supaplex | i'm braindead bkw :) it's 2am here. 4h sleep deprived and counting. |
| 08:10.13 | yoshio | Supaplex: it sounds like your boot device changed - http://kerneltrap.org/node/4677 |
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| 08:11.33 | perlmonkey | hark & potolo; thanks for help earlier |
| 08:12.08 | perlmonkey | im gonna try and mount my var onto raid and then upgrade to testing |
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| 08:13.23 | GmLB | is there a quick way to install all the compilers/libs to compile stuff? |
| 08:13.32 | GmLB | Like a virtual package |
| 08:13.35 | SlayerXP | GmLB: aptitude install build-essential |
| 08:13.59 | perlmonkey | where does apt put the packages it downloads prior to unpackaging |
| 08:14.06 | GmLB | SlayerXP: thanks |
| 08:14.15 | yoshio | perlmonkey: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 08:14.21 | SlayerXP | perdenab_: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:14.22 | perlmonkey | thanks yoshio |
| 08:14.27 | SlayerXP | bah, too slow |
| 08:14.32 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 08:14.38 | Supaplex | humm |
| 08:16.39 | Supaplex | isn't break=top suppose to drop me into the shell before initrd does anything? |
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| 08:19.32 | yoshio | Supaplex: http://linux.m2osw.com/pivot_root.html |
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| 08:23.04 | perlmonkey | really must think about upgrading hardware |
| 08:23.59 | Supaplex | yoshio: this is the existing config for that entry that fails. http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/vmware/FC4%20to%20Sarge/00-grub-details.png |
| 08:25.15 | Supaplex | there is an ide cdrom, and a scsi disk. |
| 08:25.17 | Supaplex | humm |
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| 08:29.59 | GmLB | How can i install 32-bit glibc on an amd64 debian install? |
| 08:30.33 | potolo | GmLB: With a smile on your lips and a song in your heart. | I don't know; sorry, long day. |
| 08:30.49 | GmLB | potalo: :( |
| 08:31.04 | potolo | GmLB: Don't worry, someone else here is bound to know. |
| 08:31.12 | GmLB | Anyone? 32-bit glibc? |
| 08:31.22 | potolo | perlmonkey: p.s., it's 'sleight' =) |
| 08:31.33 | SlayerXP | GmLB: there's a 32 bit compatibility package |
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| 08:31.59 | SlayerXP | GmLB: I forget the name, "aptitude search" is your friend |
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| 08:32.41 | perlmonkey | potolo: you are a magician |
| 08:32.49 | GmLB | slayerXP: aptitude search glibc doesn't say anything about 32-bit? |
| 08:33.28 | GmLB | SlayerXP: is there a flag I can pass or somesuch? |
| 08:34.07 | doudou | why debian-grub does not accept commands ? |
| 08:34.52 | doudou | is there something like governement asking debian to slow down people knowledge ? |
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| 08:35.13 | doudou | preventing them to do too many things? |
| 08:35.18 | cydork | GmLB: you can install ia32-libs.. but dont know if it will work with all the 32 bit binaries. |
| 08:35.21 | SlayerXP | GmLB: there _is_ a package, I don't recall the name. google will know. |
| 08:35.29 | Supaplex | yoshio: http://rafb.net/p/hLU7pN14.html everything I need is there, isn't it? |
| 08:35.33 | SlayerXP | GmLB: "debian 32 bit compatibility" something like that |
| 08:35.40 | cydork | GmLB: there is some other package for gtk 32 libs too.. if you need gtk support. |
| 08:35.48 | cydork | SlayerXP: ia32-libs ?? |
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| 08:35.59 | SlayerXP | cydork: sounds about right |
| 08:36.02 | Supaplex | GmLB: packages.debian.org might be a good place to start. |
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| 08:36.24 | Supaplex | hummm wait just a $$( minute here. |
| 08:37.28 | Supaplex | I have another way to cheat. >:) |
| 08:37.31 | doudou | can i download sources of grub, compile it and install it again to be able to access to command and edit features? |
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| 08:37.54 | massaki | hello, I`m trying to access my usb (digital camera memory stick) , but there is no /dev/sda !! .. nothing like that .. i tryed ./MAKEDEV sda , but nothing |
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| 08:38.26 | GmLB | SlayerXP: Are you sure it's "compatibility?" I can't find anything... |
| 08:38.42 | cydork | massaki: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 08:38.55 | SlayerXP | GmLB: no I'm not sure, hence I keep saying "I don't remember the package name, but there defaintely is one" |
| 08:38.59 | cydork | GmLB: did you read wht i said?? |
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| 08:39.32 | potolo | GmLB: Google.com this: glibc "32 bit" AMD64 inurl:debian.org |
| 08:39.36 | GmLB | slayerxp: alright alright, thanks |
| 08:39.39 | cydork | GmLB: http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/ia32-libs |
| 08:39.41 | massaki | cydork, there is a packege usb-storage ? |
| 08:39.52 | cydork | massaki: nope. |
| 08:39.56 | cydork | !usb-storage |
| 08:39.57 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 08:40.00 | doudou | what about grub from debian ? |
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| 08:40.00 | GmLB | cydork: ah, thanks. |
| 08:40.27 | JosefK | hi, just wondering if there's a replacement for 'ploticus' in stable? I need it to generate reports using Lire, but it has a doc-package (ploticus-doc) but no ploticus (only a virtual package with no provider) |
| 08:40.35 | doudou | it does not allow e and c commands, is it normal from debian or a probleme from my computer? |
| 08:41.04 | potolo | Wow, I didn't know this: "Debian GNU/Linux etch will not run on 386 or earlier processors." |
| 08:41.15 | Supaplex | doudou: I can run e commands in grub just fine. |
| 08:41.24 | Supaplex | potolo: neither does sarge |
| 08:41.39 | massaki | cydork, to load up the modules i haave to , modprobe ? .. how can I check out if they are up ? |
| 08:41.41 | doudou | oh thanks supaplex |
| 08:41.56 | yoshio | Supaplex: at the grub screen, type "c" to get a command line, then type "find /sbin/init" - i'm looking at http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/grub/grub.htm |
| 08:41.58 | cydork | massaki: check with lsmod.. if they are not there load them with modprobe. |
| 08:42.07 | potolo | I always thought old hardware could run Debian always; although, of course, without modern desktop environments and other resource-intensive stuff. | Supaplex: According to the wiki article I just read, it would seem so, yes. |
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| 08:42.54 | Supaplex | yoshio: file not found. |
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| 08:43.09 | potolo | Bizarre that I can run Debian on an Atari ST though, IIRC from a Debian Weekly News article (or might be able to if I hadn't thrown mine away a few years ago) |
| 08:43.31 | massaki | cydork, ok, they are up .. Thx |
| 08:43.56 | massaki | cydork, but i still don`t have the /dev/sda file |
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| 08:44.15 | cydork | massaki: check /proc/partitions |
| 08:44.33 | Supaplex | [root@wtf sarge]# pwd ; ls -l sbin/init |
| 08:44.33 | Supaplex | /mnt/sarge |
| 08:44.33 | Supaplex | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 31432 Jan 4 2005 sbin/init |
| 08:44.39 | Supaplex | odd... |
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| 08:45.07 | potolo | GmLB: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 08:45.15 | XeN-Lo | hi |
| 08:45.32 | potolo | sung_: No need for potty mouth (domain) |
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| 08:46.03 | yoshio | Supaplex: root(hd0,0) , then try find /sbin/init |
| 08:46.21 | XeN-Lo | is there a mail sended to root when apt-get update have a problem ? |
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| 08:46.59 | XeN-Lo | or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:47.25 | potolo | Sometimes I think I should spend less time online, and more time off-line, outside; meeting beautiful intelligent people in person. Still, lack of funds limits one. OTOH, perhaps I should just "STFU and go post it on LiveJournal or Xanga or some other emo haunt". =} |
| 08:47.41 | yoshio | XeN-Lo: try looking at /var/log/dpkg* |
| 08:48.04 | potolo | yoshio: I had a chat with the OpenSSH maintainer. It does seem to be a problem server-side, something that KDE admins will need to sort out. :-) |
| 08:48.12 | Supaplex | yoshio: ahh, maybe the partition table threw grub for a loop. /dev/sda2 was swap, but it wasn't updated. |
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| 08:50.56 | XeN-Lo | i dont have dpkg log in /var/log/ |
| 08:51.31 | XeN-Lo | oups sorry i have |
| 08:52.19 | massaki | cydork, can u help me with the line i have to add ? there is no sda .. i can`t find any in google.. to /proc/partitions |
| 08:53.43 | cydork | massaki: paste the /proc/partitions in a pastebin. also check if there is anything in /var/log/messages after you attach the usb. |
| 08:53.43 | earthian | how do i flush cashes of my internet connection? i.e. like in windows ipconfig /flush or so? |
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| 08:55.03 | Supaplex | yoshio: Am I assuming something, trying to test my install this way? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=416119 |
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| 08:55.37 | massaki | cydork, http://pastebin.ca/410318 |
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| 08:55.59 | potolo | dork? Aww, don't be so self-deprecating |
| 08:56.31 | cydork | massaki: is there anything is /var/log/messages? |
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| 08:56.33 | cydork | massaki: or check with dmesg |
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| 08:57.53 | massaki | cydork, http://pastebin.ca/410322 |
| 08:58.13 | massaki | cydork, it show me usb device |
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| 08:58.49 | nick_fn | I have a crypted disk that I used to mount with user,defaults,noauto,loop=/dev/loop3,encryption=AES128,gpgkey=/path/to/key.gpg , but this needs loop-aes and loop-aes-ciphers which are modules not in the linux kernel any longer, so I think maybe I'm needing to change the way I do it? |
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| 08:59.04 | cydork | massaki: hmm strange. which kernel are you using? |
| 08:59.32 | massaki | cydork, 2.6 |
| 08:59.35 | massaki | sarge |
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| 09:00.04 | cydork | massaki: the problem is "usb 1-1: USB disconnect" line |
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| 09:00.34 | massaki | cydork, my /proc/partiton dont have any usb line .. how can I add ? |
| 09:00.52 | cydork | massaki: no you are not supposed to add anything. |
| 09:01.01 | potolo | earthian: http://www.techiecorner.com/35/how-to-flush-dns-cache-in-linux-windows-mac/ |
| 09:01.18 | massaki | cydork, how.. lol |
| 09:01.25 | cydork | massaki: can you load that cam in window$ (if you have a box!)?? |
| 09:01.49 | massaki | cydork, yep |
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| 09:02.06 | earthian | thanks |
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| 09:02.19 | massaki | cydork, when i plug my cam, in gnome, the atuomatic hot plug media, regonize it.. but , i can`t see the files |
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| 09:03.41 | cydork | massaki: cause it get's disconnected i guess, thought there is around 5 mins gap.. |
| 09:04.07 | massaki | cydork, i just don`t get why there is any device to usb on my /dev |
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| 09:06.25 | cydork | massaki: can you just try again? plug your usb device. then type dmesg check if you have disconnect line, if not try cat /proc/partitions . |
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| 09:08.12 | massaki | cydork, i just did it, when i plug it off, i get a disconnect usb line on /var/log/message ...when I plug again it show me Mar 26 06:05:41 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 5 |
| 09:08.12 | massaki | , but nothing change in /proc/partitions |
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| 09:08.58 | cydork | massaki: modules are loaded properly? |
| 09:09.21 | massaki | cydork, yep |
| 09:09.35 | massaki | cydork, usb-storage, sd_mod |
| 09:10.22 | cydork | hmm strange.. bahh i am out of ideas . |
| 09:10.38 | massaki | lol, me too |
| 09:11.16 | yoshio | massaki: if you are plugging in a camera, type "gphoto2 -L" or use "-l". it will let you use it like an ftp client |
| 09:11.23 | do_guh_new | ftp.debian.org seems down (sorry if this is old news) |
| 09:11.43 | yoshio | massaki: but it won't look like a drive |
| 09:13.02 | cydork | yoshio: that if it's not supported as usb storage. that might be the case with massaki |
| 09:13.33 | massaki | let me se |
| 09:15.17 | massaki | yoshio, YES |
| 09:15.19 | massaki | it works |
| 09:15.22 | massaki | i can see the files |
| 09:15.30 | yoshio | Supaplex: in grub, type "root(hd0,0)", then type "find /sbin/init" |
| 09:16.18 | Supaplex | 0,0 is /boot |
| 09:16.26 | massaki | yoshio, can it be mounted somewhere? |
| 09:16.54 | Supaplex | I'm considering buckling, and dropping to vmware tatics to run a production machine :`( |
| 09:17.04 | cydork | massaki: not natively. but you can use gphoto with that. |
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| 09:18.53 | xinming | Where is the mount point for window partition is suggested please? |
| 09:20.09 | Althaser | xinming inside of /mnt/ , like /mnt/windows ;) |
| 09:20.12 | yoshio | massaki: not sure, but you can grab all pics with -P |
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| 09:21.13 | xinming | Althaser: thanks. |
| 09:21.17 | yoshio | Supaplex: type find /bin |
| 09:21.34 | xinming | Althaser: In fact, I just wish to confirm, If It should be in /mnt or /media or even /var |
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| 09:21.55 | yoshio | that should tell us which partition is root |
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| 09:22.33 | massaki | yoshio, can`t get, error lol |
| 09:23.00 | Supaplex | yoshio: it's on /dev/sda2 or hd0,1 |
| 09:23.01 | massaki | yoshio, how to get all ? gphoto2 -P /destiny path ? |
| 09:23.18 | Supaplex | and using root=/dev/sda2 barfs anyway. |
| 09:23.30 | Supaplex | even disk labels from FC barf |
| 09:23.39 | Supaplex | which worked the last time around |
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| 09:24.26 | dusty-work | Can anyone recommend some server Antivirus software? |
| 09:24.35 | Supaplex | !clamav |
| 09:24.35 | dpkg | i guess clamav is a widely used free(GPL/FLOSS) antivirus software toolkit for Unix-like operating systems. It is mainly used with a mail exchange server as a server-side email virus scanner. apt-get install avscan; for a gtk+ gui. ClamAV can be configured to automatically update its list of virus definitions via the Internet. Both ClamAV itself and the updates are made available free of charge. http://www.clamav.net |
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| 09:25.07 | yoshio | Supaplex: do you have a commented line in /boot/grub/menu.lst that is something like: # kopt=root=/dev/hda5 ro vga=771 acpi=on |
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| 09:26.04 | yoshio | Supaplex: when I upgraded a kernel, and that line was wrong, it would cause grub to update the info wrong, and consequently, I wouldn't be able to boot. took me a while to figure that one out |
| 09:26.06 | Supaplex | # kopt=root=/dev/sda2 ro |
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| 09:27.06 | Supaplex | yea, the commented config directives being active is very unintitive :) |
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| 09:27.48 | potolo | untechnical straw poll: desktop users running Debian, how many here use an AntiVirus product on their desktop running Debian? I.e respond if you do use one such as ClamAV, F-Prot, etc. Just idly curious. |
| 09:27.57 | yoshio | Supaplex: is your kernel and initrd in /boot or in / ? |
| 09:28.07 | Supaplex | boot |
| 09:28.07 | potolo | I always run one under WinXP but never have under Debian Etch. |
| 09:28.50 | pstickne | potolo, nope. then again, my untrusted programs are 0 and gmail has some form of built in AV. |
| 09:28.51 | Supaplex | potolo: I only use av on the mail gateway, because I'm not the only one who uses it. |
| 09:30.11 | Supaplex | yoshio: I have a typescript of installing debian ala debootstrap if you'd like to see it. let me inspect it for sensitive bits. |
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| 09:31.01 | pythonic | hi! do any of the boot splash things prompt for crypttab passwords? |
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| 09:32.00 | massaki | yoshio, ? |
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| 09:33.13 | potolo | thanks, good to know I'm doing as others do |
| 09:34.26 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 09:34.26 | dpkg | < RichiH> stable is for masochist fetishists with serverphobia ;) |
| 09:36.33 | yoshio | massaki: type "groups" in bash. is 'camera' there? If I type "gphoto2 -P" as root, it works fine, but not as user. I think I have to logout/login for the camera group to take effect |
| 09:37.03 | yoshio | "gphoto2 -P" grabs all the photos, and puts them in your current directory |
| 09:37.15 | massaki | yoshio, but where the files go ? |
| 09:37.19 | hark | or use newgrp |
| 09:37.26 | yoshio | massaki: current dir |
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| 09:39.06 | man_in_shack | i need to send a mail in a cronjob |
| 09:39.34 | man_in_shack | what's an easy to use command-line driven mailer? |
| 09:39.51 | Supaplex | man_in_shack: /usr/bin/mail |
| 09:40.04 | yoshio | massaki: oh, your camera may have to be in "display picture" mode rather than take picture mode |
| 09:40.18 | Supaplex | mail (1) - send and receive mail |
| 09:40.40 | hark | mailx ^ |
| 09:41.04 | moshii | I'm running ntop on a mirror port (which is the target of some RSPAN magic).. does anyone know if there are some kernel variables I have to change to make sure all packets are collected? |
| 09:41.52 | massaki | cydork, yoshio, finaly did! thx very much |
| 09:42.08 | massaki | kind not ideal way but.. lol |
| 09:42.17 | man_in_shack | hmm ok |
| 09:42.55 | man_in_shack | now i need to find an smtp server |
| 09:43.06 | yoshio | massaki: put your memory card into a card reader, and plug the reader into your computer |
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| 09:43.10 | Supaplex | like postfix? :) |
| 09:43.18 | hark | ha |
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| 09:46.02 | coorasse | i've just installed Debian Etch and i've got problems with wireless card driver (ipw3945). Can someone help me? |
| 09:46.26 | hark | what problems? |
| 09:46.54 | coorasse | i tried to load the module ipw3945.ko but nothing |
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| 09:47.03 | coorasse | my wireless card is still not configured |
| 09:47.22 | coorasse | i can't load the module in the right way |
| 09:47.35 | hark | does modprobe fail? |
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| 09:48.09 | coorasse | no but my iwconfig say "no wireless extension" |
| 09:48.45 | hark | yeah, and you do have the firmware? |
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| 09:49.00 | hark | the binary daemon as well, IIRC |
| 09:49.07 | coorasse | ...no....so where can i find it? |
| 09:49.18 | hark | !ipw3945 |
| 09:49.18 | dpkg | hmm... ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 09:49.53 | hark | that's ^ firmware-ipw3945 |
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| 09:51.39 | coorasse | i can't find firmware-ipw3945 |
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| 09:53.10 | hark | you need non-free. /msg dpkg non-free |
| 09:53.23 | hark | coorasse: ^^ |
| 09:53.43 | coorasse | ok...now i try |
| 09:53.47 | coorasse | tnx |
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| 09:56.55 | hark | coorasse: you might need the binary daemon too (ipw3945d) unless they have the latest drivers now |
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| 09:59.13 | yoshio | Supaplex: does qemu know that it is supposed to have scsi disks attached? or does qemu emulate all attached devices |
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| 10:01.41 | bzed | yoshio: qemu emulates all devices |
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| 10:03.47 | Supaplex | yoshio: no, but FC's kernels were atleast booting ok. its fstab+kernel cmdline use disk labels. |
| 10:03.55 | nerve | anyone here worked with telos motes? |
| 10:03.59 | Supaplex | I've had it work on debian to, but not here. |
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| 10:06.12 | zviratko | hi, i need help :-) does anybody know what to do if I accidentaly deleted the /lib64 symlink? (apart from using livecd locally) |
| 10:06.32 | zviratko | now apps don't launch and I can't login anymore |
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| 10:06.37 | yoshio | Supaplex: shouldn't root be on /dev/sda3 ? |
| 10:06.44 | zviratko | i can get to local console via management card, but I'm not sure how to fix it from initrd (busybox?) |
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| 10:07.06 | Supaplex | yoshio: that's where FC4 is |
| 10:07.28 | Supaplex | yoshio: my qemu image kinda clips that, but I'm aware of it. |
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| 10:09.49 | yoshio | Supaplex: in grub, you have root=/dev/sda2 , which is the swap partition |
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| 10:12.16 | pleb123 | Hey can i have some help :( |
| 10:12.57 | pleb123 | anyone?~ |
| 10:12.58 | pleb123 | please? |
| 10:13.06 | Supaplex | yoshio: that was the swap. I formatted it |
| 10:13.21 | Supaplex | pleb123: with what? |
| 10:13.33 | hark | !tell pleb123 -about ask |
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| 10:13.59 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 10:14.12 | pleb123 | Supaplex, i wnt users to be able to run a script which mounts there windows work area to a folder on the desktop... now u need to be root to mount drives.. how can i run this script as root but not give them root access |
| 10:14.14 | Supaplex | yoshio: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/apds03.html.en old /dev/sda2 = 2gb swap, now it's the new debian / |
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| 10:14.36 | Supaplex | pleb123: where's the windows data? |
| 10:14.49 | pleb123 | on a 2k3 server |
| 10:15.02 | DustyDingo | i had some problems to connect to ftp.debian.org and now, when i want to install any package i get an authentification error "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
| 10:15.09 | DustyDingo | any idears what can cause this? |
| 10:15.43 | hark | DustyDingo: yes, /topic |
| 10:16.32 | Supaplex | pleb123: sudo can do this, but I think there's a better samba option for this. see if the samba folks have some good ideas. as for home directories, symlinks could eaisly fixup paths to /net/win2k3/workgroups/users/bob |
| 10:16.38 | pleb123 | Supaplex ... on my windows 2003 server |
| 10:16.50 | potolo | DustyDingo: install apt key manager and view the no public key response by messaging the dpkg bot |
| 10:16.59 | pleb123 | Supaplex I dont want to give that user the SUDO ability .. |
| 10:17.09 | Supaplex | you want your linux users to mount their win2k3 workspacce on linux. |
| 10:17.19 | potolo | DustyDingo: apt key manager aka 'gak' |
| 10:17.31 | pleb123 | Supaplex, sounds daft i know :P i can mount them but only as root, and i dont want to give the users root access |
| 10:17.36 | Supaplex | well fstab can use "user" but sudo has tighter controls. you can limit any one user to one command with specific command line options only. |
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| 10:17.57 | pleb123 | Supaplex really? how? |
| 10:18.04 | Supaplex | man visudo |
| 10:18.09 | yoshio | Supaplex: it says do_bootloader should be 'no' for grub , don't know what that does |
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| 10:18.32 | Supaplex | yoshio: kernel preinst script afaik |
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| 10:18.35 | bzed | top - 12:18:23 up 1:23, 1 user, load average: 339.61, 141.08, 52.21 :D |
| 10:18.58 | Supaplex | bzed: not bad. I survived a 800+ load once. :) |
| 10:19.07 | hark | heh |
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| 10:19.17 | Supaplex | anything past 50 is painful hehe. |
| 10:19.21 | bzed | Supaplex: :) that was just a make -j in a kernel source ;) |
| 10:19.28 | bzed | but my X still reacted, although it was slow |
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| 10:19.46 | hark | setuid is another option.. if fstab is not an option.. |
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| 10:20.23 | Supaplex | you're better off using 'user' in fstab then using suid :P |
| 10:20.40 | hark | for smbmnt atleast |
| 10:20.44 | Supaplex | pleb123: how many users? |
| 10:20.55 | man_in_shack | ok, now i'm confused |
| 10:20.58 | bzed | imho the only option for smbmnt :\ |
| 10:21.01 | man_in_shack | going to have to actually read something |
| 10:21.19 | Supaplex | pleb123: I believe smb can use ldap to tie into AD and map users etc. |
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| 10:22.30 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello I set up my gpg key in my desktop, now I want to add this key to my laptop, I have the .gpg of my desktop directory here, what do I have to do? |
| 10:22.30 | DustyDingo | hm, but i don't get this a warning, that "there is no public key avaible", i get one that says, that verification doesn't work,... so is it possible, that the reason for this is, that i can't connect to ftp,debian.org (down for me) |
| 10:22.30 | hark | try #samba too maybe.. |
| 10:22.48 | Supaplex | DustyDingo: topic? |
| 10:22.48 | hark | yes, it probably couldn't get the release.gpg |
| 10:23.13 | Supaplex | oh, nm. I don't know. |
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| 10:23.30 | man_in_shack | ack |
| 10:23.36 | man_in_shack | what's this about aliases? |
| 10:23.38 | hark | DustyDingo: then try another mirror? |
| 10:23.47 | hark | !alias |
| 10:23.47 | dpkg | Bash alias? Do 'help alias' and read 'man bash', also see your ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc for examples of aliases. |
| 10:23.57 | man_in_shack | no, not bash alias |
| 10:23.57 | Supaplex | I had issues with ftp.debian.org earlier to. I used another mirror... |
| 10:24.08 | man_in_shack | mail redirection |
| 10:24.13 | hark | ack indeed |
| 10:24.13 | man_in_shack | i don't know what to put for it |
| 10:24.13 | bzed | security.d.o seems to be down, too |
| 10:24.24 | bzed | man_in_shack: edit /etc/aliases ? |
| 10:24.40 | man_in_shack | bzed, that doesn't help me understand what i need |
| 10:24.44 | Supaplex | uh /etc/aliases is mail isn't it? |
| 10:24.55 | bzed | man_in_shack: what do you need then? |
| 10:24.58 | man_in_shack | debconf for postfix is asking me where mail for root should go |
| 10:24.59 | gonzaloaf_laptop | any clue for me? |
| 10:25.07 | man_in_shack | bzed, that's the problem, i don't really know |
| 10:25.24 | bzed | man_in_shack: enter the name of your local non-root user |
| 10:25.31 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 10:25.31 | DustyDingo | hark: ia am just asking, if this is the reason, or if i have to fix something (i need a working OOo writer in the next houres, or i really have a problem) |
| 10:25.33 | Supaplex | man_in_shack: your own mailbox. root can't receive mail in postfix w/o crippling the security. |
| 10:25.47 | Supaplex | so it'll forward it instead. |
| 10:26.06 | pleb123 | Supaplex 900 users but i want to use one local logon... thanks for yor help im reading that man doc :) |
| 10:26.10 | hark | DustyDingo: what debian version? |
| 10:26.13 | man_in_shack | ok |
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| 10:26.21 | man_in_shack | now it's asking me about what host i want |
| 10:26.24 | DustyDingo | hark: etch |
| 10:26.46 | man_in_shack | if i want people to respond to me: user@my-internet-addy, should i put in my-internet-addy? |
| 10:26.53 | hark | have you tried another mirror.. ? |
| 10:26.59 | Supaplex | pleb123: yea, you're better off using one mount. ask the samba folks how to mount a win2k3 share for 900 users as one mount point on a linux box. |
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| 10:28.19 | DustyDingo | hark: will try |
| 10:28.19 | Supaplex | + with proper ownership etc. |
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| 10:28.20 | Supaplex | !punching bag |
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| 10:28.20 | hark | !tell DustyDingo -about mirrors |
| 10:28.20 | hark | !tell DustyDingo -about sources.list |
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| 10:28.20 | man_in_shack | should i put in my public (internet) hostname or my lan hostname? |
| 10:28.36 | hark | DustyDingo: replace sarge with etch there |
| 10:29.10 | man_in_shack | i suppose i can always change it later |
| 10:29.27 | hark | where? |
| 10:29.51 | man_in_shack | who? |
| 10:30.09 | hark | ~wtf wtf |
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| 10:31.32 | gonzaloaf_laptop | how can I register my gpg key in my laptop? |
| 10:31.47 | man_in_shack | ok, that was fun |
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| 10:33.44 | sciboy | Anyone feel like taking up the challenge of getting this thing to compile under Debian? http://www.les-stooges.org/pascal/pencil/ |
| 10:34.00 | Bladerunner05 | Hola I install debian etch on compaq presario F500, the installation process works fine. But When I start it and do for example find / -print it freeze no log writing and the only way is to push off button |
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| 10:34.50 | ribasushi | what is the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
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| 10:35.05 | ribasushi | is one superior to the other or do they produce completely differnt systems? |
| 10:35.14 | Guerin | rtfm |
| 10:35.24 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 10:35.27 | man_in_shack | this is fun |
| 10:35.37 | ribasushi | Guerin: neither manual mentions the other |
| 10:35.42 | ribasushi | Guerin: unless I overlooked |
| 10:36.03 | Supaplex | Bladerunner05: consider running memtest or a system stress diagnostic. |
| 10:36.49 | Supaplex | ribasushi: C = cdrom. (iirc). |
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| 10:37.27 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 10:37.43 | man_in_shack | how would i set up an alias email address? |
| 10:37.56 | DustyDingo | hark: yup, the problem is, that the mirror is down, tho strange error message |
| 10:38.15 | man_in_shack | like: user1 receives mail addressed to user2@example.com |
| 10:38.30 | jelly-home | Supaplex, ribasushi: cdebootstrap is a reimplementation in C. |
| 10:38.49 | RichiH | \ |
| 10:39.43 | Supaplex | how fun. |
| 10:39.48 | ribasushi | jelly-home: ahhh... |
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| 10:40.46 | ribasushi | jelly-home: why would someone do this... it is just a bunch of "run dependencies/get packages/unpack packages" |
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| 10:41.26 | jelly-home | ribasushi: try doing it on a system that's not Debian |
| 10:41.28 | Supaplex | ffs I hate this control panel crap. grrr. |
| 10:41.54 | ribasushi | jelly-home: point well made. |
| 10:42.41 | jelly-home | ribasushi: it's probably sensible to lose the Perl dependency, even though perl is quite ubiquitous nowadays |
| 10:43.18 | jelly-home | err no, debootstrap is a shell script |
| 10:43.20 | jelly-home | hm |
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| 10:43.56 | h00t | can someone tell me where can i see all the apt keys i got so far |
| 10:43.58 | ribasushi | cdebootstrap brings in additional libraries, so I guess it can go without an available apt - just like you said |
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| 10:50.52 | Bladerunner05 | <Supaplex> I notice that it freeze if I use the disk. the notebook bios disk test is ok. the notebook is new and with vista (bleah!!!) it works fine |
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| 10:51.36 | elshaa | hi |
| 10:52.44 | elshaa | Is it possible that when a packet comes back from host B to A, it use a different route than when it goes from host A to B ? |
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| 10:53.55 | s1 | elshaa: hmm.. if you're using static routes i think yes |
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| 10:54.19 | man_in_shack | if i compose an email in a file, can i use mailx to send it? |
| 10:54.53 | petemc | yes |
| 10:54.56 | yoshio | h00t: gpg --list-keys |
| 10:55.01 | petemc | mail -s "yo" foo@bar < file |
| 10:55.05 | man_in_shack | ok :) |
| 10:55.24 | man_in_shack | can i change the username in the "From" to be an alias rather than my login name? |
| 10:55.36 | jelly-home | I can't make uswsusp work with a custom kernel, what options do I really need enabled? |
| 10:55.47 | elshaa | ok savar. thx |
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| 10:56.22 | petemc | man_in_shack: mail -a "From: me@mydomain.com" |
| 10:56.38 | man_in_shack | petemc, that will override the original From header? |
| 10:56.43 | petemc | yes |
| 10:56.45 | jelly-home | uswsusp works part of its resume magic from initrd, but when I mkinitrd for my custom kernel and try to use it, nothing (much) happens |
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| 10:57.37 | Doat | is there an irc channel for shell scripting? |
| 10:57.52 | petemc | #bash , or maybe someone here can help |
| 10:57.56 | petemc | if you're using debian |
| 10:58.01 | man_in_shack | nifty |
| 10:58.22 | man_in_shack | now how do i get that cute "You have unread messages" message to pop up in my terminals? |
| 10:58.31 | petemc | thats biff |
| 10:58.37 | Doat | ok. If i have a variable that contains foo.zip how can i remove the .zip extension? |
| 10:58.41 | petemc | cant remember how its called |
| 10:58.56 | jelly-home | man_in_shack: when you log in, or when you get new mail? |
| 10:59.12 | Doat | i.e. how can i remove the last 4 characters from a string |
| 10:59.37 | yoshio | doat: basename ? |
| 11:00.27 | jelly-home | Doat: a non ksh/bash solution could be ... echo $string | sed 's/\.[^.]*$//' |
| 11:00.41 | Doat | yoshio: ok that works |
| 11:01.23 | man_in_shack | jelly, when i get new mail after login |
| 11:01.23 | Doat | jelly-home: ok. basename is enough for my needs though |
| 11:01.35 | man_in_shack | biff pwnz 8) |
| 11:02.05 | Supaplex | retarded support-- (ci host) |
| 11:02.41 | man_in_shack | hmm ... it worked once and now it's dead |
| 11:02.50 | Supaplex | indeed. |
| 11:03.26 | man_in_shack | wait, seems to be dependant on which terminal you send mail from :| |
| 11:04.17 | man_in_shack | and if you already have mail |
| 11:04.37 | man_in_shack | bbs |
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| 11:05.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | what if I forgot my passphrase of my gpg key? |
| 11:05.28 | ewanm89mob | What is the command run on login to display new mail? |
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| 11:07.21 | hark | mail |
| 11:07.44 | hark | oh, sorry misread |
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| 11:07.51 | man_in_shack | this is odd |
| 11:08.06 | man_in_shack | i don't always get the "You have new mail" message |
| 11:08.10 | dustybin | could somone let somone at the debian HQ that there is a problem with security.debian.org |
| 11:08.10 | ibroadfo | is apt-listbugs failing for other people today? |
| 11:08.18 | dustybin | *know |
| 11:08.21 | hark | i think it's pam |
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| 11:08.38 | hark | yes to both of you ^ |
| 11:08.48 | dustybin | yes failing for me, security.debian.org is not responding |
| 11:09.18 | petemc | Hit http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/contrib Packages |
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| 11:11.00 | mosty | security.debian.org is slow but responding for me |
| 11:11.05 | diskus | seems to be working fine |
| 11:12.21 | hark | someone else was having problems earlier as well.. intermittent i guess |
| 11:12.53 | mosty | ftp.debian.org has been bad today also |
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| 11:15.49 | h00t | yoshio thanx |
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| 11:17.01 | man_in_shack | now i'm confused |
| 11:17.29 | hark | yeah, it's pam which gives the notification by default in Debian |
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| 11:18.52 | man_in_shack | is there some basic way to get the "you've got mail" messages? |
| 11:19.06 | man_in_shack | biff doesn't seem to work 100% for me |
| 11:19.34 | hark | why not? |
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| 11:20.02 | hark | it'll be sent to the tty you're logged in |
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| 11:20.33 | man_in_shack | sometimes i get the message, sometimes i don't |
| 11:20.45 | man_in_shack | and i don't get it at all in xterms |
| 11:20.54 | man_in_shack | i seem to remember getting it in xterms once a long time ago |
| 11:21.20 | hark | read /usr/share/doc/biff ? |
| 11:22.01 | man_in_shack | is mailutils-comsatd any better? |
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| 11:22.53 | hark | dunno, tias |
| 11:23.16 | dury | hi there channel |
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| 11:23.35 | man_in_shack | hark, can't find anything useful there |
| 11:23.58 | hark | actually, it's comsat which finds out where the user is logged in and to display the message afaik |
| 11:24.18 | hark | !comfort man_in_shack |
| 11:24.18 | dpkg | There, there, man_in_shack. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:24.33 | man_in_shack | dpkg is always here for everyone |
| 11:24.37 | man_in_shack | that's the nice thing about it |
| 11:24.43 | dury | I've just download webmin*.deb file and I wonder what's the command to install it |
| 11:25.21 | hark | dpkg --help |head |
| 11:25.28 | dury | is it dpkg -i *.deb |
| 11:25.30 | zinx | dury: better to use aptitude or apt-get or some other apt frontend to install it |
| 11:25.41 | zinx | rather than downloading the .deb manually |
| 11:25.42 | xand | !love |
| 11:25.43 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
| 11:25.43 | man_in_shack | i like aptitude |
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| 11:26.01 | man_in_shack | xand, that quote rings a bell |
| 11:26.17 | dury | zinx but the package I want to install doesn't exit |
| 11:26.27 | hark | he's not because there's no webmin in >= etch |
| 11:26.28 | dury | in etch release |
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| 11:26.35 | hark | !love man_in_shack |
| 11:26.43 | man_in_shack | if i can't have it in my xterms, i might as well try a gui solution |
| 11:26.57 | bzed | man_in_shack: what are you looking for? |
| 11:27.08 | zinx | !webmin |
| 11:27.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 11:27.20 | man_in_shack | hark, what if i'm like van gogh and i cut off my ear to impress a girl? |
| 11:27.20 | man_in_shack | or in this case, an irc bot :P |
| 11:27.35 | man_in_shack | bzed, i want to get a "You have new mail" message in my xterms |
| 11:27.40 | Supaplex | you cut off your ear for a mere irc bot. |
| 11:27.48 | Supaplex | !xbiff |
| 11:27.48 | dpkg | i heard xbiff is a mail checker for X. Lame. |
| 11:27.53 | hark | as long as it's only the ear.. |
| 11:28.01 | Supaplex | drum |
| 11:28.13 | man_in_shack | i have no package "xbiff" |
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| 11:28.19 | hark | !installit |
| 11:28.19 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 11:28.36 | bzed | man_in_shack:bash does that for you. it checks all 60 seconds |
| 11:29.01 | bzed | !suxxe |
| 11:29.04 | bzed | hmm |
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| 11:29.11 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 11:29.24 | man_in_shack | hark, what i mean is i have no package available |
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| 11:29.33 | bzed | !seen all |
| 11:29.34 | dpkg | all <n=isaac@cpe-071-077-044-227.nc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 191d 15h 10m 30s ago, saying: 'hey'. |
| 11:29.36 | man_in_shack | bzed, well the bash in my xterm isn't doing it |
| 11:29.49 | dury | zinx: yeah webmin |
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| 11:30.17 | bzed | man_in_shack: edit ~/.bashrc and add export MAILCHECK=60 |
| 11:30.21 | Supaplex | man_in_shack http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=bin%2Fxbiff&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 11:30.46 | man_in_shack | ah, thanks Supaplex |
| 11:31.21 | man_in_shack | bzed, apparently it's already set |
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| 11:31.56 | dury | zinx: the thing is I want to configure my network card staticlly ip with dns |
| 11:32.02 | hark | oh, it's in xbase-clients now |
| 11:32.22 | hark | !find /usr/bin/xbiff |
| 11:32.29 | zinx | dury: then just edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:32.33 | bzed | man_in_shack: sure? |
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| 11:32.59 | bzed | man_in_shack: run export | grep MAIL in a xterm |
| 11:33.13 | dury | zinx: and how's the Dns never did it before |
| 11:33.32 | man_in_shack | $ export |grep MAIL |
| 11:33.40 | man_in_shack | <no output> |
| 11:33.52 | man_in_shack | $ echo $MAILCHECK :: 60 |
| 11:34.03 | Supaplex | source ~/.bash_profile |
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| 11:34.25 | hark | ah, it is also pam_mail.so here |
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| 11:34.42 | hark | when you login to a shell |
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| 11:35.02 | Supaplex | how does logroate manage /var/log/mail.* ? I can't find the config file for it. |
| 11:35.27 | dury | zinx: in sarge was easy just install etherconf and easy.... but in etch there is not gui for that |
| 11:35.42 | man_in_shack | gnubiff doesn't seem to be doing anything useful |
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| 11:36.04 | hark | hmm, /etc/logrotate.conf ? |
| 11:36.38 | hark | oh, nm |
| 11:36.43 | man_in_shack | Supaplex, .bash_profile has nothing in it relating to mail |
| 11:36.52 | MrWup | is there a good alternative to exchange server which runs on linux? |
| 11:37.18 | Supaplex | man_in_shack: try export | grep mail again. |
| 11:37.18 | petemc | no |
| 11:37.31 | Supaplex | MrWup: what features do you need? |
| 11:37.39 | petemc | MrWup: there are alternatives, none of them as good |
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| 11:38.12 | man_in_shack | MrWup, if by "alternative to exchange server" you mean "pretend email server that should be scrapped before it causes more problems" then no |
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| 11:38.31 | MrWup | well an email server with all the features of exchange server |
| 11:38.33 | petemc | man_in_shack: im sure he means groupware |
| 11:38.34 | doudou | hi how can i get read of flashplayer with iceweadel? |
| 11:38.36 | jelly-home | MrWup: which features of exchange do you use? |
| 11:38.36 | zinx | dury: dns is configured in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:38.39 | man_in_shack | $ export | grep MAIL |
| 11:38.40 | man_in_shack | declare -ix MAILCHECK="60" |
| 11:38.42 | MrWup | which outlook can communicate with as if it were exchange server |
| 11:38.45 | man_in_shack | wtf didn't that come up before? |
| 11:38.49 | MrWup | so that i wont need a separate connector |
| 11:39.00 | MrWup | yeah groupware |
| 11:39.00 | petemc | dont waste your time |
| 11:39.56 | Supaplex | just take the napalm now ;) |
| 11:40.12 | man_in_shack | Supaplex, still not getting notifications in xterm |
| 11:40.49 | Supaplex | nope, logrotate -vd /etc/logroate.conf 2>&1 | grep mail shows no result. :-/ humm.. |
| 11:41.09 | man_in_shack | hmm i see |
| 11:41.20 | man_in_shack | MAILCHECK is getting set to 60 but not exported |
| 11:41.28 | man_in_shack | but that shouldn't make a difference, should it? |
| 11:41.34 | hark | in /etc/logrotate.d/? |
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| 11:43.14 | Supaplex | man_in_shack: ah, well man bash. search mail. |
| 11:43.14 | Supaplex | hark: redundant, it's already included in the .conf |
| 11:43.52 | man_in_shack | i think i've solved it |
| 11:44.07 | man_in_shack | i think i need to export MAIL and MAILCHECK |
| 11:44.14 | man_in_shack | maybe just set them, exporting seems to work |
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| 12:41.09 | bronze_0_1 | fsniper: well, that would work I guess. |
| 12:41.10 | eisen_ | bronze_0_1: you can use sysv-rc-conf |
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| 12:41.33 | bronze_0_1 | eisen_: is that a command line tool? (he asked hopefully) |
| 12:42.07 | bronze_0_1 | thanks guys |
| 12:42.09 | eisen_ | bronze_0_1: it's cli gui |
| 12:42.17 | eisen_ | a bit like nvurses |
| 12:42.21 | eisen_ | ncurses* |
| 12:42.59 | bronze_0_1 | ncurses! "foiled" again (in the sense of "foils used for presentation in the old AT&T days... ) |
| 12:43.04 | bronze_0_1 | :-) |
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| 12:43.50 | eisen_ | heh |
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| 12:44.32 | bzed | !tell bronze_0_1 about update-rc.d |
| 12:44.39 | alexanderturner | xk: hello? |
| 12:44.43 | xk | alexanderturner: hey |
| 12:44.46 | xk | can you /msg me? |
| 12:44.50 | alexanderturner | yes |
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| 12:45.09 | alexanderturner | That's why i joined #debian |
| 12:45.18 | hark | !red hat tools |
| 12:45.18 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. |
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| 12:45.50 | bronze_0_1 | wow |
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| 12:46.16 | bronze_0_1 | Nice map. |
| 12:46.23 | eisen_ | sometimes the dpkg snippets don't make too much sense grammar wise... |
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| 12:46.34 | simonrvn | though rc.local exists in etch and sid now |
| 12:46.41 | grant2 | Hello, just trying to change from PPPOE to PPPOA, there is not much documentation ont he net, is anyone able to assist? |
| 12:46.41 | hark | yeah |
| 12:46.53 | simonrvn | though it's probably just the bootmisc script... |
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| 12:47.17 | alexanderturner | grant2: I could help if it was IOS |
| 12:47.20 | bronze_0_1 | iirc chkconfig was on BSD in 1982. Perhaps it shouls be called ! UNIX tools ? |
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| 12:47.34 | grant2 | lol, not that rich unfortunatley :P |
| 12:47.40 | alexanderturner | xk: U GENIUS |
| 12:47.42 | xk | alexanderturner: is it working now? |
| 12:47.44 | alexanderturner | ITS WORKING! |
| 12:47.53 | simonrvn | yeh it exists |
| 12:47.56 | xk | alexanderturner: ehhehehehehe. |
| 12:48.00 | alexanderturner | U ROCK |
| 12:48.04 | bzed | grant2: all I know is that there're some atm tools in debian |
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| 12:48.07 | alexanderturner | how do i quit, and start it? |
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| 12:48.14 | xk | alexanderturner: what I did: basically I installed x-window-system and grabbed a working XF86Config file, google styles. |
| 12:48.23 | alexanderturner | right. |
| 12:48.27 | alexanderturner | * |
| 12:48.30 | alexanderturner | lol |
| 12:48.30 | xk | alexanderturner: control-alt-backspace. |
| 12:48.38 | alexanderturner | and how does it start? |
| 12:48.52 | grant2 | bzed, just all the reading up ive now come to learn that PPPOA is much much better :) |
| 12:48.53 | xk | hmm... i'm guessing it will start automatically since gdm is installed. |
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| 12:49.03 | xk | but I could be wrong. |
| 12:49.03 | simonrvn | !red hat tools is also in more recent debian version etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info |
| 12:49.03 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 12:49.06 | grant2 | bzed, i wonder why pppoe is so popular :S |
| 12:49.13 | xand | grr highlights |
| 12:49.16 | alexanderturner | startx i guess |
| 12:49.17 | alexanderturner | lol |
| 12:49.34 | c1ru | why u kicked me for overflod? i dont say nothing |
| 12:49.34 | dury | fengor: thanks for you |
| 12:49.34 | alexanderturner | xk: u have msn? |
| 12:49.34 | c1ru | lol |
| 12:49.34 | xk | alexanderturner: yep, if it doesn't start automatically. |
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| 12:49.38 | teclo- | hello, when doing smartctl -a /dev/sda on a SATA disk, I can't read any data (temperatures and stuff ) ... is this normal ? am I doing it wrong ? |
| 12:49.41 | xk | alexanderturner: nah, i don't use msn. |
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| 12:49.59 | bzed | grant2: because it's that what dumb dsl lines provide |
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| 12:50.10 | bzed | grant2: I'd prefer to have an atm line, too |
| 12:50.17 | alexanderturner | aol? |
| 12:50.17 | alexanderturner | lol |
| 12:50.19 | alexanderturner | im? |
| 12:50.28 | teclo- | ao hell ? |
| 12:50.29 | xk | alexanderturner: nah, email ;) |
| 12:50.34 | alexanderturner | lol |
| 12:50.38 | grant2 | bzed, ive recently learned all this from my cisco academy course :P |
| 12:50.43 | alexanderturner | Well I'm aturner@turnerzworld.com |
| 12:50.44 | grant2 | and doing a bit of reading on PPPOE |
| 12:50.44 | bzed | alexanderturner: is irc not enough? :P |
| 12:50.50 | alexanderturner | to hard |
| 12:50.58 | jelly-ho | teclo-: you need to tell it to use ATA commandset, it's in the manual (add -d ata) |
| 12:51.00 | alexanderturner | grant2: I'm fluent with IOS |
| 12:51.13 | alexanderturner | My father is a VP at cisco. |
| 12:51.18 | teclo- | jelly-ho: thank you |
| 12:51.23 | alexanderturner | So i learnt from following him like a bad smell. |
| 12:51.25 | grant2 | alexanderturner haha, well be sure to come here when i need some Cisco help :) |
| 12:51.28 | xk | :) |
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| 12:51.37 | alexanderturner | grant2: aturner@turnerzworld.com |
| 12:51.52 | alexanderturner | feel free, I would be more then happy to write up a config for you |
| 12:52.02 | bzed | alexanderturner: you could send some free hardware to my university :P |
| 12:52.07 | grant2 | lol, too bad im running debian as my router :P |
| 12:52.13 | grant2 | A job would be nice :P |
| 12:52.15 | alexanderturner | Or if you need a later version of IOS |
| 12:52.20 | alexanderturner | What university? |
| 12:52.33 | simonrvn | wow, it's an xk, LTNS |
| 12:52.33 | teclo- | heh jobs |
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| 12:52.38 | teclo- | head job ? |
| 12:52.41 | xk | simonrvn ;) |
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| 12:52.52 | simonrvn | :) |
| 12:52.53 | bzed | alexanderturner: darmstadt university of technology, germany, dep. of architecture ;) |
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| 12:53.15 | alexanderturner | Nahh, sry. |
| 12:53.17 | man_in_shack | there seems to be no documentation on how to tell mail-notification what mail reader to use |
| 12:53.18 | grant2 | You in Japan alexanderturner? |
| 12:53.27 | simonrvn | !red hat tools =~ s,version etc,versions /etc, |
| 12:53.28 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
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| 12:53.57 | alexanderturner | My dad is a stanford graduate, and is on the bored of trusties. he's rly like PRO_STANFORD |
| 12:54.03 | alexanderturner | lol, yeah im in japan |
| 12:54.13 | man_in_shack | closest i've come is a bug on savannah.nognu.org that can be reproduced: "Make sure preferred mail reader is set to Thunderbird" |
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| 12:54.35 | bronze_0_1 | "bored" huh? :L) |
| 12:55.00 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: you could always try setting it via alernatives, if there is one for that |
| 12:55.06 | grant2 | alexanderturner, cool im in Australia :) |
| 12:55.12 | simonrvn | 'trustees' |
| 12:55.17 | man_in_shack | "Being a GNOME application, it uses the mail reader configured in GNOME. You can configure it with the gnome-default-applications-properties program, which is part of gnome-control-center." |
| 12:55.18 | alexanderturner | My bad |
| 12:55.20 | man_in_shack | grumble |
| 12:55.21 | bronze_0_1 | alexanderturner: why are you in japan? |
| 12:55.31 | alexanderturner | Dad is retired and wanted to move here |
| 12:55.35 | moshii | nihon no onnanoko ga suki darou |
| 12:55.38 | alexanderturner | he lived in sydney prior to this |
| 12:55.42 | man_in_shack | i fscking HATE programs that leave their config up to control centres |
| 12:55.42 | alexanderturner | I was born in Sydney |
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| 12:55.49 | bronze_0_1 | Is he originally from Japan? |
| 12:55.49 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: so you're stuck doing it via whatthefuckever gnome uses to set it |
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| 12:55.59 | alexanderturner | but my dad is english, and mum is from croatia |
| 12:56.09 | bronze_0_1 | Wow. |
| 12:56.20 | bronze_0_1 | A truly international family |
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| 12:56.40 | grant2 | alexanderturner, nice im about 1 hour form Sydney :) |
| 12:56.42 | alexanderturner | http://imdb.com/name/nm2592019/resume |
| 12:56.47 | alexanderturner | Thats me, not asian at all |
| 12:56.47 | alexanderturner | lol |
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| 12:57.11 | bronze_0_1 | typically people want to retire to land of the birth (or early childhood.) Whats does your Dad like about Japan? |
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| 12:57.33 | alexanderturner | Snow, he's rly 'adventurous' |
| 12:57.38 | man_in_shack | simonrvn, unless i can find the file it stores the setting in |
| 12:57.39 | alexanderturner | I guess |
| 12:57.42 | moshii | bronze_0_1: The quiet beuty .. |
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| 12:57.45 | xand | this is all offtopic... |
| 12:57.51 | bronze_0_1 | I guess so. Japan is fascinating |
| 12:57.53 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: ~/.gnome2* |
| 12:57.58 | bronze_0_1 | xand: sorry. |
| 12:57.59 | simonrvn | some fricking xml files |
| 12:58.01 | simonrvn | file |
| 12:58.09 | fengor | fascinating == schoolgirls? ;p |
| 12:58.10 | alexanderturner | It was either here or New York |
| 12:58.22 | simonrvn | !lart fengor |
| 12:58.26 | moshii | fengor: haha |
| 12:58.27 | alexanderturner | Him and I are both heavily involved with the stock martket |
| 12:58.33 | alexanderturner | so, thats y new york. |
| 12:58.33 | bronze_0_1 | fengor: that and everything else. |
| 12:58.34 | moshii | oh god |
| 12:58.38 | alexanderturner | Though online trading works. |
| 12:59.02 | eilker | what should i do to have ns1.mydomain.com ns2.mydomain.com ? |
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| 12:59.26 | moshii | eilker: add the records to your dns server.. |
| 12:59.35 | simonrvn | a domain name, some IPs, and a DNS server |
| 12:59.43 | man_in_shack | simonrvn, should i be looking for a specific file? |
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| 13:00.07 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: you could always go via *ugh* gconf-editor |
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| 13:00.14 | eilker | simonrvn: one ip enough for ns1.mydomain.com ? |
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| 13:00.30 | man_in_shack | don't seem to have that installed either |
| 13:00.30 | simonrvn | i'm not sure which one.... likely named whatever the app is named |
| 13:00.48 | disasm | I broke libc6 on a machine, now ls gives me bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory (someone installed a libc6 not in debian before I got the machine and I was trying to remove it so I could install the debian one) any thoughts of how off of a boot cd I could force install libc6 back on here? |
| 13:01.04 | simonrvn | eilker: one per yes |
| 13:01.13 | moshii | disasm: use a debian install cd and go into rescue mode |
| 13:01.25 | moshii | disasm: mount the fs and put the lib back |
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| 13:01.50 | eilker | <simonrvn> for having dns server , is it the only thing to install bind and configre ? |
| 13:01.57 | disasm | moshii: That's the easy part, how do I put the lib back in without chrooting, hence breaking everything? |
| 13:02.00 | peppe | damn. I spent two hours in doing nice shadows, blurs and shadings worthy of omnigraffle on a diagram in inkscape, then I discovered that pdf/eps exporting does preserve none of them :-((( |
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| 13:02.10 | moshii | eilker: you might prefer maradns if it's your first time |
| 13:02.30 | simonrvn | eilker: helpful if you have your isp set up the reverse dns, depending on what kind of account you have, etc. |
| 13:02.42 | disasm | moshii: something like dpkg install --path=/mnt (man dpkg is broken right now and don't want to reboot until I know what to do) |
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| 13:02.48 | moshii | disasm: you should be able to do that with the tools available from the ram fs on the cd |
| 13:02.55 | simonrvn | afk |
| 13:03.12 | grant2 | wheres guiren today? |
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| 13:03.43 | moshii | disasm: I always keep a statically linked busybox around for just this sort of event :D |
| 13:03.46 | eilker | thanx |
| 13:04.11 | moshii | disasm: broke a sol8 box by mis-pasting some output from ld once.. |
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| 13:05.17 | simonrvn | busybox++ |
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| 13:06.57 | moshii | busybox++? |
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| 13:07.27 | simonrvn | karma |
| 13:07.28 | cydork | moshii: yep :) |
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| 13:08.33 | trelane | sigh |
| 13:08.40 | trelane | or the bastardized western version of carma |
| 13:08.43 | trelane | karma |
| 13:09.15 | trelane | it would really be quite a zen experience |
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| 13:09.55 | moshii | being a frog would be cool, working in IT is the pits |
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| 13:10.08 | cydork | !moshii++ |
| 13:10.11 | trelane | just think about what you did in the last life to get this screwed up ;) |
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| 13:10.25 | hark | !karma moshii |
| 13:10.26 | dpkg | moshii has karma of 2 |
| 13:10.34 | trelane | !karma trelane |
| 13:10.34 | dpkg | trelane has neutral karma |
| 13:10.36 | trelane | good |
| 13:10.47 | moshii | cool and the gang! |
| 13:11.12 | disasm | moshii: before I break things worse... dpkg -x mylibc6.deb /mnt where root is mounted to /mnt? |
| 13:11.21 | HostilePenguin | i did it im on usb ubuntu vnc into another pc to use irc |
| 13:12.08 | moshii | disasm: that should work, but how did you break libc? |
| 13:12.32 | hark | usb ubuntu? |
| 13:12.33 | disasm | dpkg --force-all --remove libc6 |
| 13:12.51 | abrotman | why for the love of god would you do that? |
| 13:12.58 | HostilePenguin | usb flash drive |
| 13:13.06 | moshii | disasm: that's ok then, I thought you might have done some version breakage |
| 13:13.18 | disasm | abrotman: I didn't have my coffee yet ;-) |
| 13:13.23 | moshii | disasm: as abrotman side, a bit silly |
| 13:13.31 | abrotman | said ? |
| 13:13.39 | moshii | yeah sorry |
| 13:14.05 | moshii | My English is going downhill since I moved to Spain. :/ |
| 13:14.49 | disasm | abrotman: I was getting this: libc6-dbg: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-22.1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 is to be installed, so I was trying to install the sarge5 version, probly would have been smarter to download it and force-install it, but I wasn't thinking, just woke up... |
| 13:14.49 | jelly-ho | disasm: next time just do dpkg -i package.deb, it'll remove the previously installed version |
| 13:15.28 | disasm | abrotman: I should follow the principal of never use su until I drink my coffee in the morning |
| 13:15.29 | jelly-ho | disasm: what you _should_ have done is apt-get update; apt-get upgrade :-) |
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| 13:16.08 | moshii | disasm: Create an ro root.. that way you'll be well awake before you can write to it |
| 13:16.10 | disasm | jelly-ho: won't work, 2.3.2.ds1-22.1 looks like a newer version to debian than 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 |
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| 13:16.33 | jelly-ho | disasm: ah, I see now |
| 13:16.40 | eilker | simonrvn> may i try it with www.e-ilker.no-ip.org ? is this domain ok for trying bind ? |
| 13:17.08 | disasm | jelly-ho: the guy that had this computer before me built his own libc6 package, and the my supervisor said he didn't have a clue why he did that |
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| 13:17.15 | jelly-ho | disasm: well anyway now you know why removing /lib/libc.so.6 is a bad thing :-) |
| 13:17.20 | simonrvn | i don't know, i kinda doubt it since you're not authoritative for no-ip.org |
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| 13:17.53 | moshii | disasm: maybe he tweaked it, compiled it with march=z80 and such |
| 13:17.54 | disasm | moshii: so, download sarge libc6 from my other machine, burn it to a cd, then go into rescue mode |
| 13:17.55 | jelly-ho | disasm: he might have left clues in the changelog if he was nice |
| 13:17.59 | eilker | yeah, right, first i need buy a domain |
| 13:18.15 | moshii | disasm: mount the root fs and botch libc6 back in |
| 13:18.17 | dustybin | anyone have any problems updating from ftp.debian.org ? |
| 13:18.45 | moshii | disasm: after you have it booting again do dpkg -i package.deb to seal the deal |
| 13:19.01 | hark | dustybin: why not just use another mirror? |
| 13:19.13 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 13:19.35 | jelly-ho | ... that's why I have sash installed on my machines |
| 13:19.47 | hark | dustybin: so the security one is fine now? |
| 13:19.49 | moshii | disasm: you can also escape to a shell from the installer.. |
| 13:19.57 | dustybin | yes security is ok now |
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| 13:20.18 | dustybin | Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release.gpg Could not connect to ftp.debian.org:80 (128.101.240.212), connection timed out |
| 13:20.18 | dererk[work] | huh... strange split |
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| 13:20.54 | hark | dustybin: yeah, use what was mentioned in the factoid |
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| 13:21.13 | dustybin | ok |
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| 13:21.38 | HostilePenguin | what do your hard drives do while your machine is running off usb drive? |
| 13:21.50 | moshii | HostilePenguin: spin |
| 13:22.01 | HostilePenguin | wont screw up my raid will it |
| 13:22.20 | dustybin | HostilePenguin: burn electricity |
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| 13:22.41 | moshii | HostilePenguin: just don't do cat /dev/random > /dev/md0 |
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| 13:26.55 | Harzilein | hi there |
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| 13:27.19 | Harzilein | what was the url again for the dpkg knowledge base? |
| 13:27.32 | Harzilein | as in dpkg the bot |
| 13:27.41 | stew | http://dpkg.vireo.org ? |
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| 13:29.14 | Harzilein | stew: yup, thx |
| 13:29.17 | disasm | moshii: almost done downloading minimal debian install cd, so this statically linked busybox, how do you do that? I assume you get busybox code, in configure, theres an option to statically link, set your prefix to somewhere like /busybox? then if it breaks, give the full path to busybox binaries? |
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| 13:33.41 | rmrfchik | what's happened with ftp.debian.org? |
| 13:33.44 | Harzilein | hmm... |
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| 13:34.42 | Harzilein | the alsa 2.6 entry in the dpkg database recommands discover1, in my experience discover does superfluous stuff and sometimes even breaks things |
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| 13:36.50 | disasm | here goes nothing.... |
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| 13:37.43 | stew | rmrfchik: one of the mirrors in the ftp.debian.org rotation is down, use a different mirror |
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| 13:38.29 | sf7 | tar -xvfz arm.tar.gz does not work in linux terminal |
| 13:38.38 | sf7 | the error is tar: z: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
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| 13:38.51 | sf7 | but the file is there and perms are ok |
| 13:39.00 | fengor | tar -xvzf arm.tar.gz |
| 13:39.02 | stew | sf7: use tar xvzf instead of tar xvfz |
| 13:39.32 | sf7 | WOH!!! :) |
| 13:39.34 | stew | sf7: the filename that comes immediately after 'f' is the name of the tarfile. in your case you said the tarfile is named 'z' |
| 13:39.35 | sf7 | thanks a million man |
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| 13:39.50 | fengor | the f option has to be followed by a space and the filename iirc and cant be followed by another option before the filename |
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| 13:40.07 | fengor | oops too slow |
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| 13:40.50 | SnuS | Hello. How do I install mod_perl with apache2.2 ? "apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2" gives libapache2-mod-perl2: Depends: apache2-common (>= 2.0.50-9) but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:41.39 | abrotman | SnuS: make sure you run aptitude update first |
| 13:41.48 | SnuS | it's updated. |
| 13:42.06 | stew | SnuS: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:42.06 | abrotman | in etch? |
| 13:42.16 | stew | 2.0.50 isn't in etch |
| 13:42.24 | abrotman | !depends libapache2-mod-perl2 etch |
| 13:42.26 | stew | (or sarge) |
| 13:42.37 | stew | oh, i misread that |
| 13:42.37 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-perl2: depends on apache2.2-common, perlapi-5.8.8, perl (>= 5.8.8-7), libwww-perl, libmime-base64-perl, libdevel-symdump-perl, liburi-perl, libapr1, libaprutil1, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libperl5.8 (>= 5.8.8), libuuid1, netbase |
| 13:42.43 | SnuS | stable. |
| 13:42.45 | x_link | damn it.. i get this message all the time in irssi when I open a new konsole window. |
| 13:42.49 | abrotman | stable? |
| 13:42.56 | stew | SnuS: what happens when you run "apt-get install apache2-common" |
| 13:43.10 | SnuS | I installed "libdevel-symdump-perl" first and then libapache2-mod-perl2 installed fine, lol. |
| 13:43.40 | x_link | Ending startup notification for Konsole (???) because SCREEN field was not provided; this is a bug in the launcher application |
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| 13:44.04 | x_link | I get that message all the time in my irssi window when I open a new konsole window. Can somebody help me with this? |
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| 13:44.24 | xk | how do you change the load order of autoloaded kernel modules? i would like to load my analog tv card before my digital one. |
| 13:44.25 | SnuS | kiki:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled# apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_MODULES perl_module (shared) |
| 13:44.38 | stew | xk: list them in /etc/modules in the order you want them loaded |
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| 13:45.07 | xk | stew: that's how I had it for 2.6.17, but for 2.6.20 and upgrading to testing, it is ignored :( |
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| 13:45.53 | stew | xk: hmm, wierd. assuming that nothing wacky is happening like your tv cards being loaded by the initrd, i dunno then |
| 13:46.14 | tarzeau | how to mirror a webpage like this: http://uk.360.yahoo.com/dmtao |
| 13:46.48 | bzed | xk: you could configure modprobe to load them in the right order... there was a way to preload a module befor another one. |
| 13:47.47 | bzed | man modprobe.conf should help you |
| 13:47.58 | bzed | but /etc/modules should work. at least I thought so |
| 13:48.20 | xk | yeah... i'm surprised it changed after the upgrade. |
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| 13:48.26 | bzed | module-init-tools still uses it |
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| 13:49.00 | xk | I'll have to take a closer look at the boot sequence... |
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| 13:49.02 | abrotman | pseubodot!!! |
| 13:49.09 | mark__ | hi, ive just installed tomcat5 and it won't start, i can't see any errors in anything in /var/log, anyone know why this might be? |
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| 13:50.04 | bzed | xk: look into /etc/rcS.d |
| 13:50.19 | bzed | xk: S03 udev will be run before S20module-init-tools |
| 13:50.24 | bzed | and udev will load your module |
| 13:50.27 | xk | yeah |
| 13:50.34 | bzed | what's your problem exactly? |
| 13:50.39 | bzed | want to rename the device file? |
| 13:50.51 | bzed | or something like that? write some udev rules then |
| 13:50.53 | xk | digital tv card module is loaded before analog... and ignores what I listed in /etc/modules (analog _then_ digital) |
| 13:51.15 | xk | how would I write the rules? ;) |
| 13:51.16 | bzed | the modules will be loaded before /etc/modules is read |
| 13:51.23 | bzed | what do you want to achieve? |
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| 13:51.45 | bzed | just loading one module before the other one has a reason :P tell me |
| 13:51.47 | rockzman | can someone help me to authenticate behind isa server using linux? |
| 13:51.59 | xk | load bt878 + tuner before cx88xx + dvb-bt8xx |
| 13:52.13 | bzed | !tell xk about esp |
| 13:52.18 | xk | bzed: well, if there is a reason, why doesn't udev load completely _all_ the digital tv modules properly :) |
| 13:52.28 | disasm | moshii: thanks much, got libc6 installed again |
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| 13:52.52 | mark__ | debian sucks so much man, even something simple like tomcat can't just work when you install it |
| 13:53.06 | bzed | mark__: you're probably just to dumd to read the documentation. |
| 13:53.09 | xk | bzed: I told you what I want to achieve. |
| 13:53.20 | Einsteinium | I agree |
| 13:53.20 | Einsteinium | (with bzed) |
| 13:53.22 | bzed | thanks Einsteinium |
| 13:53.23 | xk | what information am I missing? |
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| 13:54.12 | xk | bah, stuff it, I'll just make module-init-tools load before udev. |
| 13:54.20 | stew | mark__: did you read /usr/share/doc/tomcat5/README.Debian ? |
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| 13:54.36 | bzed | xk: I still don't udnerstand where your problem is exactly :\ |
| 13:54.55 | Einsteinium | besides, if you were willing to use tomcat4, you could simply use an unstable apt mirror |
| 13:54.57 | moshii | disasm: no probs :) |
| 13:55.03 | xk | ok, right now, neither analog and digital tv card work "out of the box" |
| 13:55.08 | mark__ | stew: ls: /usr/share/doc/tomcat5/README.Debian: No such file or directory |
| 13:55.21 | xk | analog fails because xawtv expects video device to be /dev/video0, digital tv card fails because there is one more module needed to be loaded. |
| 13:55.22 | stew | bzed: its pretty simple. he has two modules loading in the opposite order from how they are listed in /etc/modules |
| 13:55.32 | bzed | xk: I guess you need to blame the vendors for that, I'm pretty sure those cards need some fuhkd up binary firmware blob |
| 13:55.46 | stew | mark__: is there a README.Debian.gz ? |
| 13:55.50 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:56.02 | bzed | stew: yes, that doesn;t make me wonder. udev will just load the modules before /etc/modules is touched. |
| 13:56.17 | xk | i may aswell as purge udev since it was suggested by another person here a few weeks ago to solve some problem that didn't end up solving. |
| 13:56.18 | bzed | xk: I still dont; understand why you want to load them the other way round. |
| 13:56.27 | bzed | xk: are you using etch? |
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| 13:56.41 | Einsteinium | I don't tend to try and help people who just say things like "debian sucks so much man" |
| 13:56.49 | xk | bzed: because i'm lazy and expect xawtv to work without saying "this is the analog video device", heh. |
| 13:56.50 | bzed | Einsteinium: me neither |
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| 13:57.15 | bzed | xk: that's not a matter of module loading order, that's a matter of tell udev to assign the right device file to the right card |
| 13:57.28 | bzed | xk: or just telling xawtv to use some other device |
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| 13:57.41 | xk | Einsteinium: you're too idealistic when it comes to problem solving. |
| 13:57.56 | bzed | xk: purging udev on etch is something you definitely DO NOT want to do. |
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| 13:58.31 | sohmestra | how is an email CC handled? Are additional messages generated by the sending host for each CC address or is that handled by the recieving server? If so, is it handled in SMTP, or is the message copied after it is accepted, as part of the delivery process? |
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| 13:58.41 | man_in_shack | can't work out why my crontab isn't running |
| 13:58.47 | aeronadix | how do you set up dual monitor? |
| 13:59.04 | man_in_shack | i've tried to create a user crontab using: crontab -e |
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| 13:59.17 | bzed | sohmestra: the first MTA which receives the message will send it to the right MTA for the CC as copy |
| 13:59.25 | man_in_shack | hey nifty, i think it just worked |
| 13:59.43 | Nwallins | Hi, can anyone explain the effect of appending ' &' to a command, w.r.t. logging out of a session? Sometimes, it seems like if I do `./foo &` and then log out, foo is killed. Other times, if I log out (much longer) after running `./foo &`, foo is still running. ?? |
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| 14:00.03 | sohmestra | bzed: ah. I guess that makes sense, as each recpient wouldn't necesarilly be on the same domain. thanks. |
| 14:00.15 | man_in_shack | nice, it worked :) |
| 14:00.21 | bzed | Nwallins: it'll go into the background |
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| 14:00.51 | Nwallins | bzed: that part I am aware of. I am curious if bg processes get killed upon logout |
| 14:00.52 | psyco-obiwan | Nwallins: try nohup! |
| 14:01.10 | Nwallins | bzed: sometimes it seems yes, sometimes no |
| 14:01.11 | cydork | Nwallins: & puts goes in background but the problem is if it needs stderr or stdout it will get killed. use nohup or screen .. |
| 14:01.14 | psyco-obiwan | Nwallins: as soon as the proc tries to write to STDxx it will be killed |
| 14:01.33 | psyco-obiwan | therefor : nohup if you want the job running after logging out |
| 14:01.35 | Nwallins | psyco-obiwan: cydork: ah, much clearer thanks :) |
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| 14:01.52 | psyco-obiwan | or another approach screen...right ;-) |
| 14:01.55 | Nwallins | psyco-obiwan: got it |
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| 14:05.14 | loca|host | hello all |
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| 14:05.46 | loca|host | how to convert ps documents to rtf or other readable documents except pdf |
| 14:05.51 | igli | hi, i'm helping a friend who has debian via ssh |
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| 14:06.11 | man_in_shack | cya |
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| 14:06.33 | igli | he wants to uninstall gnome from his server; is it correct simply to enter init 3 to get terminal to do uninstall? |
| 14:06.58 | cydork | !remove gnome |
| 14:06.59 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 14:07.37 | cydork | igli: is that what you are asking? |
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| 14:07.41 | stew | igli: on debian runlevels 2-5 are all the same by default so going to runlevel 3 won't be any different than runlevel 2 (the default) unless he has specifically set it up that way |
| 14:07.42 | igli | ty cydork; will that change the boot-up run-level or do i need to config something |
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| 14:07.49 | igli | ah i see |
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| 14:08.15 | stew | igli: if you need to get to a text console, use ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 14:08.20 | igli | someone else set it up for him; how do i change the default run-level |
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| 14:08.25 | igli | thank you stew |
| 14:08.38 | stew | igli: it is set in /etc/inittab |
| 14:08.52 | igli | ah of course :) |
| 14:08.59 | igli | sorry gentoo head ;) |
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| 14:10.55 | alexanderturner | lol |
| 14:11.00 | trelane | moo. |
| 14:11.25 | igli | is there a !remove KDE? |
| 14:11.30 | eshep | can anyone here help me with dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' ? |
| 14:11.40 | cydork | igli: yes. /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 14:11.50 | igli | ty |
| 14:12.01 | kon | i have a problem with my xserver xorg, when i run ''X'' it starts fine, but when i use startx it fails, and there is no errormessage. where do i look? i checked /var/log/ and the ~/.xsessionerrors (or something like that) but nothing... works fine as root. i suppose something is wrong with my .xsession/.xinitrc/i_dont_know_what_else but i can't find a trace |
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| 14:15.21 | igli | how do you change the services which start in debian? I'd like to stop kdm/xdm whatever |
| 14:16.01 | igli | kk i'll look on the web |
| 14:16.11 | stew | igli: update-rc-d or rcconf |
| 14:16.17 | stew | update-rc.d rather |
| 14:16.26 | igli | ah thank you again stew :) |
| 14:16.39 | stew | igli: or /msg dpkg nodm |
| 14:16.47 | igli | lovely :D |
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| 14:27.48 | kon | any ideas how to trace why startx fails? |
| 14:28.12 | trelane | the X logs in /var/log |
| 14:28.25 | trelane | grep 'em for WW (warning) and EE (error) |
| 14:28.57 | eshep | i can't ap-get anything cause it tells me i need a version of xserver-xorg-core thats not in any repo |
| 14:29.36 | abrotman | apt-get update first ? |
| 14:29.58 | eshep | yup |
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| 14:30.50 | row | whats the cause of all the "â" chars eg "tools.c: In function âleave_suidâ:", on other machines they don't display like that, its via ssh btw. |
| 14:31.01 | torrr | is there samba-vscan for debian? |
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| 14:32.20 | psyco-obiwan | torrr: not in stable and testing, try "aptitude search vscan" |
| 14:33.39 | torrr | it doesn't show in my search, but my sources are only etch's |
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| 14:34.05 | torrr | does that mean that it isn't stable at all? |
| 14:34.18 | aldarsior | How do I delete all files in the current directory that are older than 30 days? |
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| 14:35.01 | psyco-obiwan | torr, etch = testing...you can read about the releases at http://www.us.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 14:38.50 | cydork | aldarsior: man find |
| 14:39.00 | Groundy | sup, I'm getting "pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks" with bind9-host and binutils, |
| 14:39.03 | Groundy | any tricks? |
| 14:40.05 | dustybin | has anyone hear tried out rosegarden? |
| 14:40.08 | dustybin | *here |
| 14:40.17 | abrotman | many people .. |
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| 14:42.41 | torrr | !dazuko |
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| 14:48.25 | stew | dustybin: why do you ask? |
| 14:49.31 | dustybin | i just wondered what its like |
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| 14:50.37 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a recommended place on etch to enable ip forwarding and ip masquerading? |
| 14:50.53 | tarzeau | mkl1525: yes, /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 14:51.13 | stew | dustybin: its great |
| 14:51.22 | dustybin | does it support VST |
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| 14:52.00 | tarzeau | can someone give me his preseed.txt which works with etch rc2? |
| 14:52.00 | mkl1525 | tarzeau, thanks see it for forwarding but would "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE" work in it too? |
| 14:52.10 | tarzeau | mkl1525: no, put that somewhere else |
| 14:52.39 | mkl1525 | tarzeau, thanks again |
| 14:53.05 | kon | maybe put that in /etc/init.d/ipt |
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| 14:56.00 | kjxxxx | bZed: you here. I ran into some big issues ofter the upgrade to etch |
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| 14:56.44 | Gnulinux | I cannot find the vertical character to use on my shell, it is written on letter W but it doesnt appear with alt+w |
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| 14:57.11 | xand | you mean | ? |
| 14:57.13 | Gnulinux | yes |
| 14:57.23 | xand | what keyboard is that then |
| 14:57.32 | Gnulinux | but when i open noepad it works |
| 14:57.38 | aldarsior | is there a way to run something on a cron every five minutes without typing 5,10,15,(etc) into the crontab file? |
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| 14:57.41 | Gnulinux | when i use this vnc-shell i cannot write it |
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| 14:57.57 | xand | aldarsior: no, type that... it's not hard ;) |
| 14:58.13 | Gnulinux | xand...its some 105 characters keyboard |
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| 14:58.28 | xand | what language/country? |
| 14:58.36 | aldarsior | xand: I'm not saying it's hard, it'll just screw up my columns :-P |
| 14:58.50 | xand | cry :P |
| 14:59.00 | Gnulinux | xand BTC keyboard -plugged to Slovene version of windows |
| 14:59.14 | xand | BTC? |
| 14:59.14 | bzed | kjxxxx: tell more :) |
| 14:59.15 | aldarsior | xand: what about every minute, would I have to type every number between 1 and 60? |
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| 14:59.24 | Gnulinux | xand btc is the brand that made it |
| 14:59.24 | xand | Gnulinux: windows? why are you asking about windows? |
| 14:59.32 | xand | aldarsior: no, that's what * is for |
| 14:59.38 | kjxxxx | don't seem to have a kernel in place when I rebooted |
| 14:59.40 | aldarsior | Ah! |
| 14:59.42 | aldarsior | excellent |
| 14:59.43 | aldarsior | thank you |
| 15:00.22 | Gnulinux | xand is there another way to type the command du sort -n ( being the vertical lined character) |
| 15:00.51 | kjxxxx | bzed: when grub came up the option to boot to that debian was not there |
| 15:00.56 | aldarsior | Adding something to the crontab takes effect immediately? |
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| 15:01.20 | xand | Gnulinux: what OS are you actually using? |
| 15:01.29 | xand | i.e. running on the machine |
| 15:01.34 | Gnulinux | xand, i am being connected onto debian server |
| 15:01.40 | maxamillion | can anyone provide me with documentation on how to evaluate the number output by aptitude when it is finding a resolution for unmet dependencies? |
| 15:01.44 | xand | yes, but what OS is on the machine? windows |
| 15:01.45 | xand | ? |
| 15:01.53 | Gnulinux | yes windows xp |
| 15:01.59 | xand | if so, you can use alt+ascii code |
| 15:02.32 | Gnulinux | xand what kind of ascii would that be then |
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| 15:02.55 | Gnulinux | xand you mean alt+numpad? |
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| 15:03.08 | simonrvn | yes |
| 15:03.09 | xand | yes |
| 15:03.11 | Einsteinium | Ascii code uses numbers, so yes, numpad |
| 15:03.14 | xand | alr-124 |
| 15:03.15 | xand | *alt |
| 15:03.25 | xand | hold down alt and type 124 on the numeric keypad |
| 15:03.29 | Gnulinux | yeah and would have which code? |
| 15:03.32 | Gnulinux | ok |
| 15:04.37 | Gnulinux | i get this 3F3B3D |
| 15:04.43 | Gnulinux | num lock must be on? |
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| 15:05.04 | mindframe | is there a way to tell tar to delete files as it adds them to an archive? |
| 15:05.11 | Gnulinux | doesnt sem to work |
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| 15:05.27 | defcon8 | mindframe, get a new hdd already |
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| 15:05.30 | mindframe | :( |
| 15:05.33 | Gnulinux | alt-gr+2 would open window 2 |
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| 15:05.48 | Gnulinux | alt+124 only gives up the numbers |
| 15:06.04 | mindframe | defcon8, i just want to pack up a bunch of mp3's so i can upload them somewhere |
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| 15:06.21 | mindframe | all the file names are crazy and the ftp client cant read htme |
| 15:06.36 | Gnulinux | but actually in the notepad - alt+124 produces vertical line |
| 15:06.43 | Gnulinux | but not in this xterm window |
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| 15:10.31 | abrotman | mindframe: can you add files one at a time to a tar ? |
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| 15:11.05 | abrotman | mindframe: you can append a file to a tar .. so psuedo .. foreach file in (whatever) append to tar && delete |
| 15:11.08 | nwonknu- | hey |
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| 15:11.21 | mindframe | oh jeez ive got 39.5GB of mp3's |
| 15:11.27 | mindframe | that'd be difficult... maybe i can script it |
| 15:12.04 | Einsteinium | where are you uploading that many mp3s? |
| 15:12.10 | nwonknu- | unsure |
| 15:12.21 | mindframe | to my house |
| 15:12.41 | abrotman | mindframe: that's what i intended for you to do |
| 15:13.29 | zeeble | i've never transferred that much volume except over a LAN, or with some removable media |
| 15:14.05 | mindframe | well ive got a fat pipe here and 12mb down at home |
| 15:14.09 | mindframe | shouldnt be too bad |
| 15:14.30 | zeeble | :) |
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| 15:15.05 | maxamillion | abrotman: do you know how to (or know where to point me for this info) interpret the scores given by aptitude for dependency resolution? |
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| 15:17.24 | earthian | is it possible to set my current display resolution to 800x600x60hz from console (ttyX) without restarting X server at tty7 ??? |
| 15:17.50 | earthian | or at least change refresh rate without restarting X |
| 15:18.00 | earthian | all change should affect X and not console |
| 15:18.12 | darrh00 | last updated etch,I find it taks so long to start a gnome session,and it takes 10 seconds to start gvim,after It starts,It works pretty fine. it is a celeron 2.53GHZ/512DDR RAM and Nvidia Fx5200 pc.Disk DMA and fontconfig reasons have been ruled out,what other reason can cause such a slow startup? |
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| 15:18.52 | mindframe | celeron is the junk |
| 15:19.14 | maxamillion | mindframe: yes ... yes it is |
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| 15:20.23 | abrotman | but it has nothing to do with his problem |
| 15:20.27 | Einsteinium | I'd definitely blame the celeron |
| 15:20.44 | abrotman | maxamillion: no i don't .. i don't use it that much |
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| 15:21.06 | Farruquito | hi, is currently ftp.debian.org down ? |
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| 15:21.21 | aptura | what is the role of autoconf.h in include? |
| 15:21.23 | abrotman | one of the few in the dns rotration are busted |
| 15:21.31 | abrotman | Farruquito: use a different mirror |
| 15:21.38 | kombi | what's best to mirror servers? rsync? dfs? |
| 15:21.40 | abrotman | darrh00: try to strace/ltrace it and see if it's stalling anywhere |
| 15:21.44 | darrh00 | Farruquito:I can not update from ftp.debian.org either. |
| 15:21.45 | Farruquito | do you know another up to date ? |
| 15:21.49 | abrotman | kombi: i belive there's a howto |
| 15:21.51 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 15:21.52 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 15:22.08 | Farruquito | because the spanish one have potato as testing release, i think |
| 15:22.16 | Trewas | darrh00: there's been talk of gnome apps starting slowly on ubuntu etc, maybe the same "bug" also exists in debian, see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=388765 |
| 15:22.18 | Farruquito | thanks |
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| 15:24.41 | kombi | thanks abrotman! howto says rsync.. |
| 15:24.50 | abrotman | kombi: why are you mirroring ? |
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| 15:25.23 | abrotman | kombi: do you need a local mirror for some reason ? |
| 15:25.27 | maxamillion | abrotman: what do you use for package management? |
| 15:25.46 | kombi | abrotman: many boxes scattered in different places, the dream is to edit only the local one and all the others follow.. |
| 15:25.55 | abrotman | kombi: apt-proxy doesn't work ? |
| 15:26.10 | abrotman | maxamillion: apt-get .. which doesn't work as nicely as aptitude .. but it's a hard habit to break |
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| 15:26.42 | kombi | abrotman: let me see.. |
| 15:27.16 | maxamillion | abrotman: yeah, i made the transition about a year ago and recently i have been noticing (on my ubuntu box) that i keep hitting dependency issues and it gives a "score" and i don't know how to interpret the score |
| 15:27.24 | dembug | etch is neat |
| 15:27.32 | maxamillion | dembug: etch is incredible |
| 15:27.45 | dembug | Yeahh.. there are a few subtle differences, some less subtle than others |
| 15:27.46 | dembug | ;D |
| 15:27.46 | abrotman | maxamillion: ask them .. they could have changed the scoring |
| 15:27.50 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: It tells you exactly what it wants to do and gives you choices |
| 15:28.08 | dembug | looks like debian have got their head on when it comes to "proper" package support |
| 15:28.21 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: yes, but what does "score 0" or "score 19" or "score -147" mean? |
| 15:28.27 | dembug | my guess is etch can do everything sarge can, and then some :D |
| 15:28.50 | abrotman | maxamillion: ask #ubuntu .. they gave you your aptitude |
| 15:29.07 | kombi | abrotman: slight misunderstanding maybe, i look for a mirror solution that syncy webservers, nothing to do with the debian repository |
| 15:29.19 | kombi | s/syncy/syncs/ |
| 15:29.28 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: anything positive is ok |
| 15:29.32 | maxamillion | abrotman: meh, i'm not that concerned with it .... i am probably going to be ditching ubuntu all together, its "benefits" as a desktop distro are getting less and less as the days go on and etch keeps looking better and better |
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| 15:29.34 | abrotman | kombi: oh .. i thought you wanted to mirror the debian repo .. yes .. rsync is good for that |
| 15:29.46 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: right ... but where is that documented? |
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| 15:29.52 | abrotman | kombi: or using cvs on each client |
| 15:30.03 | kombi | interesting... |
| 15:30.08 | abrotman | or svn/bzr/arch/rcs etc |
| 15:30.13 | darrh00 | Trewas:Thank you!that's the problem.I have doubted the hosts file moments ago but don't modify it :),now it starts really fast!Thanks a lot. |
| 15:30.24 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: Dunno whether it is it tells you exactly what it wants to do and then gives you choices (I think its obvious) |
| 15:30.40 | kombi | abrotman: I was thinking of a distributed filesystem also |
| 15:30.51 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: If it does something you don't want say no until it gets to something reasonable |
| 15:30.52 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 15:31.00 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: yeah ... not so much, a random number without explanation isn't obviouse |
| 15:31.04 | Trewas | darrh00: too bad nobody seems to know why that change helps :P |
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| 15:31.26 | kombi | abrotman: but I'm not sure which of these our beloved distro supo |
| 15:31.29 | kombi | ports.. |
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| 15:32.19 | abrotman | kombi: then use rsync .. it's well suited for the job |
| 15:32.45 | kombi | absolutely! almost ingenious.. |
| 15:33.26 | kombi | anyways, I'm off for today, cheers! |
| 15:33.42 | Dewi | I'm trying to write a small shell script to mount a USB disk... the script is owned by root:dewi, has u+s and g+x, but when I run it it still complains I am not root |
| 15:33.49 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: anything -1 or less it asks you - (as its not sure) then its up to you to decide what you want to do it will cycle through the options progressively more negative but the numbers are just what it thinks its still up to you to not do something stupid |
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| 15:34.08 | Dewi | anybody know how setuid bit is meant to work? |
| 15:34.13 | stew | Dewi: why not just use pmount? |
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| 15:34.18 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: in the same way if apt-get wants do do something stupid (blindly upgrade when its not sensible) its upto you still |
| 15:34.29 | lunchbox_ | can you copy and paste using the terminal without a mouse |
| 15:35.03 | Dewi | stew: I don't know what that is... how can a non-root user access a block device? |
| 15:35.08 | GillaGal | Can anyone tell me what packages I need to install for a desktop under Sarge? |
| 15:35.20 | lunchbox_ | cat /etc/mdadm.conf |
| 15:35.21 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: it asks for anything, negative or not (atleast in my experiences) and yes, it tells you what its going to do but i don't understand the purpose of the scoring system if they don't explain the score issued |
| 15:35.42 | zinx | Dewi: bash resets the effective uid to the real one |
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| 15:35.45 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: i am just curious about it |
| 15:36.03 | zinx | Dewi: better to use pmount, as stew suggested |
| 15:36.05 | Dewi | zinx: I'm using /bin/sh (which may also be bash I guess) |
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| 15:36.14 | zinx | Dewi: it is on debian |
| 15:36.15 | Dewi | zinx, stew : is pmount documented anywhere? |
| 15:36.23 | Dewi | without installing the thing first? |
| 15:36.30 | zinx | google? |
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| 15:37.04 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: I have just done a dist-upgrade no score listed |
| 15:37.16 | Dewi | zinx: yeah, I get package pages and mailing lists and other non-documentation crap, some of it in german |
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| 15:37.43 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: that just means you don't have unmet dependencies |
| 15:37.59 | zinx | Dewi: Then just install it and use man :/ |
| 15:38.07 | Dewi | zinx: does it have some other name in other distros? |
| 15:38.19 | zinx | I don't know anything about other distributions. |
| 15:38.23 | zinx | it's called pmount in debian |
| 15:38.40 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: You just said it asked for anything |
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| 15:38.53 | Dewi | zinx: well it sounds like something that would certainly impact security etc, I'd like to know how it works first |
| 15:39.22 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: if you re-read it, i said it asks for either positive or negative score not "anything" as in constantly/always |
| 15:39.31 | paxed | looks like my /var/cache/apt/available has been corrupted. help? |
| 15:39.56 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: besides, that's not even relevant ... i just want to know what the score's purpose is and how to efficiently/correctly interpret the score |
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| 15:41.42 | Dewi | so does the setuid bit do nothing with bash? how do I get it working? |
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| 15:42.29 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: It cannot ask for a positive or negative score as a dist-upgrade would have a positive score but I was not asked |
| 15:42.46 | zinx | Dewi: You don't. And shouldn't. |
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| 15:42.58 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 15:43.09 | Dewi | zinx: so... instead I should install some tool that gives every user full access to all my hard drives? |
| 15:43.09 | mateuszk | I am having a problem with suspend2 and xorg 7.2 |
| 15:43.11 | mateuszk | any help ? |
| 15:43.16 | chronic1 | is there a way to host my own debian mirror for local network installations? |
| 15:43.18 | zinx | Dewi: no |
| 15:43.30 | zinx | Dewi: you should learn how to read about things and not make stupid assumptions |
| 15:43.32 | Dewi | zinx: well... then I'd need to know how pmount's access control works before installing it |
| 15:43.42 | Dewi | zinx: and I honestly cannot find a single bit of information on the web |
| 15:43.57 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: you are missing what i am saying .... http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch01s02.html <---there, score is 19 and it asks what you would like to do .... why? |
| 15:44.03 | mateuszk | Dewi, check out documentation |
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| 15:44.15 | bzed | Dewi: install pmount and read what's in /usr/share/doc/pmount |
| 15:44.17 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: if what you are saying is true, then it shouldn't ask when score is positive but it does .... why? |
| 15:44.22 | Dewi | bzed: isn't it a bit late then? |
| 15:44.28 | mateuszk | Dewi, /usr/share/doc/pmount/README.Debian |
| 15:44.37 | Dewi | mateuszk: I don't want to install it until I know how it works |
| 15:44.57 | zinx | Dewi: if you really want to be that paranoid, download the .deb and extract the contents |
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| 15:44.58 | mateuszk | Dewi, apt-cache show pmount |
| 15:45.19 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: read aptitude/src/generic/problemresolver/model.tex in the source |
| 15:46.01 | b0lt | . |
| 15:46.05 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: where would i find that? |
| 15:46.07 | Dewi | zinx: I don't see how it's paranoid. All my drives are on the scsi chain, some of them are important drives and others are unimportant USB keys... |
| 15:46.21 | Dewi | zinx: can pmount do different access control based purely on geometry? |
| 15:46.48 | zinx | Dewi: uhm, possibly, but i'm not sure why you'd do that |
| 15:46.49 | Dewi | "user foo can access drives under 10GB"? something like that? |
| 15:47.00 | abrotman | maxamillion: you'd ask #ubuntu how to get your source package |
| 15:47.00 | stew | Dewi: no, pmount is always the same, anyone in the plugdev group gets access |
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| 15:47.21 | b0lt | Is there a help channel for this network? |
| 15:47.22 | Dewi | stew: right, but I only want to give this user access to 1 USB key, not 5TB of hard drives |
| 15:47.22 | maxamillion | abrotman: if i were to access it on a debian system, where would it be? |
| 15:47.26 | zinx | Dewi: it won't let normal users mount anything that's in fstab (unless it has the user/users flag) |
| 15:47.32 | maxamillion | abrotman: i have both |
| 15:47.43 | zinx | Dewi: You would know this if you'd stop being an idiot and bother to read about it. |
| 15:47.51 | stew | easy |
| 15:47.57 | Dewi | zinx: well, I seemingly can't read about it without installing the whole thing on my system |
| 15:48.11 | zinx | Dewi: (zinx) Dewi: if you really want to be that paranoid, download the .deb and extract the contents |
| 15:48.35 | stew | b0lt: you can message any staffers listed in "/stats p" |
| 15:48.41 | simonrvn | and around in circles we go |
| 15:49.01 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: the important part of it is "The solution is inside the users head, Thus, the best we can do is to define some criteria for ``goodness'' (to prioritize solutions that are more likely to interest the user)" |
| 15:49.18 | stew | Dewi: pmount is only for removable devices, it won't mount a fixed drive |
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| 15:49.39 | Dewi | stew: I haven't bought a "non-removable" drive in about 3 years |
| 15:50.11 | zinx | Dewi: the man page tells you exactly what it will and will not mount. |
| 15:50.12 | stew | Dewi: removable being defined as a cd/dvd or a usb/firewire drive |
| 15:50.17 | zinx | Dewi: stop ignoring it |
| 15:50.21 | zinx | Dewi: or stop bitching. |
| 15:50.35 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: still doesn't explain the score ... i understand the purpose of the solution suggestions, just not that actual number and how its orientation is related to the "goodness" of the suggestion |
| 15:51.27 | Dewi | zinx: I'm not; I'm asking a simple well-defined question and being sent off on long and complex errands... sometimes I'd rather learn how setuid works than stay up all night learning about some whole complex management subsystem |
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| 15:51.51 | vinvin | hi |
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| 15:52.25 | zinx | Dewi: how bash drops setuid has little to do with how setuid works |
| 15:52.47 | Dewi | zinx: has a lot to do with how it doesn't work though... or so it seems, since I can't get it to do anything |
| 15:53.09 | ktos_pl | could you recommend me a command |
| 15:53.22 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: well, i have to run ... thank you for all the information and for putting up with my nit picking retentiveness |
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| 15:53.30 | stew | ktos_pl: a command to do what? |
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| 15:53.34 | ktos_pl | to bring `dpkg -l` return up-to-date, after using apt-get remove? |
| 15:53.49 | stew | ktos_pl: what makes you think it isn't up to date? |
| 15:53.52 | Dewi | zinx: anyway, I don't have time to learn all this pmount stuff now; I've already made myself late for work tomorrow... I guess I'll see you around |
| 15:53.58 | bzed | Dewi: and you should know that using setuid is the last thing you wanna do as paranoid person |
| 15:54.05 | Ciantic | If I have (logrotate) sharedscripts postrotate and prerotate, how I can set both to sharedscripts? |
| 15:54.06 | vinvin | I'm trying to compile nvidia module for a special kernel, on which I did set an append-to-version string with make menuconfig and not with make-kpkg. make-kpkg modules_image does not create the module for the version with the appended name. Do I have to make clean and rebuilt it from scratch with make-kpkg --append-to-version ? |
| 15:54.08 | ktos_pl | stew : i had removed a package with apt-get remove |
| 15:54.22 | stew | ktos_pl: yeah, i got that from before |
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| 15:54.30 | ktos_pl | then dpkg -l|grep $package returned that package in a list |
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| 15:54.38 | h3sp4wn | ktos_pl: you need to purge it |
| 15:54.49 | ktos_pl | dpkg -P righT? |
| 15:55.00 | bzed | vinvin: did you extract the nvidia source which will be in /usr/src after installing nvidia-kernel-source ? |
| 15:55.02 | stew | ktos_pl: right, it should show up with "rc" in the first column meaning "user requested Remove, Configuration files remain" |
| 15:55.13 | ktos_pl | I see |
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| 15:55.14 | vinvin | bzed yes |
| 15:55.16 | ktos_pl | thanks:) |
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| 15:56.23 | Dewi | bzed: well, yeah. But the alternatives seem to range from the vague (use gnome and kde and wait for magic) to the arcane (pmount which seems underdocumented and unique to debian). |
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| 15:56.48 | stew | Dewi: pmount is neither underdocumented nor unique to debian |
| 15:57.02 | bzed | Dewi: you're just too lazy to install it and read the documentation |
| 15:57.20 | ktos_pl | another thing, if I may |
| 15:57.37 | ktos_pl | i am using apt-get -t sarge-backports install ... |
| 15:57.47 | ktos_pl | can I use sarge-backports with apt-cache? |
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| 15:58.01 | h00t | hello i have a problem ... everytime i try to make symlink "ln -a ~/.amule/Incoming ~/Incoming" I end up w/ this scenario "/home/h00t/Incoming/Incoming" how can i make it link properly so I just see the contents of the folder |
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| 15:58.08 | stew | ktos_pl: no, apt-cache always searches through all available sources |
| 15:58.19 | ktos_pl | thanks stew |
| 15:58.20 | Dewi | bzed: installing something and then working out what it's for is the wrong way around. Yes, I could extract the .deb , but I really don't have time for all that |
| 15:59.04 | stew | Dewi: googling for "manpage pmount" will find you the manpage |
| 15:59.06 | vinvin | can't make-kpkg modules_image handle appended versions made with menuconfig ? |
| 15:59.20 | stew | Dewi: "apt-cache show pmount" will show you what it is for |
| 15:59.51 | bzed | vinvin: I don't think so, but I didn;t try it. you could use params to make-kpkg instead or just edit Makefile before running make menuconfig |
| 16:00.03 | bzed | --append-to-version |
| 16:00.10 | bzed | is for make-kpkg |
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| 16:00.37 | vinvin | bzed: in the manual of make-kpkg it is said kernel has to be cleaned up and rebuilt in order to get effective the new version, with appended string |
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| 16:01.09 | h3sp4wn | vinvin: it doesn't like it if you add it in the Makefile - KERNELVERSION = $(VERSION).$(PATCHLEVEL).$(SUBLEVEL)$(EXTRAVERSION)-foo like that |
| 16:01.21 | vinvin | and if I compile the kernel with make, it is installed in the /lib/modules/ the version and the append/ |
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| 16:02.08 | bzed | vinvin: you don't compile with make :\ |
| 16:02.09 | vinvin | h3sp4wn: so if I do it just with --append-to-version with make-kpkg it's ok ? |
| 16:02.16 | Bladerunner05 | Hi all, someone try to install debian etch on compaq presario F500 ? |
| 16:02.23 | h3sp4wn | I usually put the local version directly in Makefile - like - EXTRAVERSION = -rc5-h3-1 |
| 16:02.25 | bzed | !anyone |
| 16:02.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:03.08 | vinvin | bzed: i'm used to make :) |
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| 16:03.38 | cusco | Bladerunner05: why? |
| 16:03.54 | h3sp4wn | vinvin: then all I use on the makepkg command line is --revision=foo1 |
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| 16:04.11 | Bladerunner05 | cusco:'cause after the boot it freeze without errors |
| 16:04.13 | vinvin | ok h3sp4wn |
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| 16:04.20 | bzed | vinvin: then figure out how (dumb) make works for you. using make-kpkg is easy and will give you a nice kernel iamge |
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| 16:04.55 | vinvin | the thing is I compiled the kernel with make, and i want the nvidia module with make-kpkg :) |
| 16:05.03 | simonrvn | it'll do up the headers, docs, and kernel image+modules.... easy |
| 16:05.13 | jpaetzel | Well, I'm taking my first venture into linux after 11 years of BSD, having a pretty easy time of it, but I've run into one final obstical that I can't seem to get around. |
| 16:05.18 | simonrvn | and any external modules like that ^^ |
| 16:05.22 | vinvin | it just seems i have to make clean and recompile it |
| 16:05.28 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 16:05.34 | simonrvn | bad spelling? :P |
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| 16:05.44 | vinvin | thanks guy |
| 16:05.45 | vinvin | s |
| 16:05.48 | cusco | Bladerunner05: what if you boot in single user mode |
| 16:06.03 | dury | at the end I configured the network card |
| 16:06.04 | jpaetzel | It's a laptop, and I'm trying to make the wireless go...I have wpa_supplicant installed, and it associates to the access point at boot, but dhclient doesn't run. |
| 16:06.11 | simonrvn | jpaetzel: that iptables sucks? :) |
| 16:06.33 | jpaetzel | So I have to run dhclient ath0 after boot for the network to come up. |
| 16:06.45 | Bladerunner05 | •cusco• it freeze too |
| 16:06.45 | simonrvn | add it to interfaces |
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| 16:06.53 | jpaetzel | It's in there. |
| 16:06.57 | simonrvn | !tell jpaetzel about interfaces |
| 16:07.01 | Dewi | jpaetzel: does the line for the interface in /etc/network/interfaces mention dhcp ? |
| 16:07.11 | cusco | Bladerunner05: what is the last mensage on screen? |
| 16:07.18 | simonrvn | so it should be coming up. checked dmesg/kern.log/syslog? |
| 16:07.20 | jpaetzel | Dewi: No, if I put in dhcp it doesn't run wpa_supplicant |
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| 16:07.33 | simonrvn | you can run stuff on pre-up |
| 16:07.40 | simonrvn | to set it up properly |
| 16:07.48 | Bladerunner05 | •cusco• no message it seems to work properly but after 10 seconds it freeze without error on screen and /var/log/messages |
| 16:07.55 | dury | the other thing I have to do it's mount the second hd |
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| 16:08.20 | cusco | Bladerunner05: during those 10 seconds, you can login on the single user mode, right? |
| 16:08.30 | jpaetzel | To add some complexity, I've got ifplugd installed and running, and that works fabously. |
| 16:08.46 | Bladerunner05 | I try but when go in s.u. mode it freeze without prompting |
| 16:09.06 | jpaetzel | So if I boot with the wired interface plugged in it works, and if I unplug it the wireless comes up. |
| 16:09.08 | cusco | else, lets you login first? |
| 16:09.09 | dury | I did "mount /dev/hdb1" but it doesn't |
| 16:09.26 | jpaetzel | and then if I plug the wire back in the wireless goes down and the wired interface comes back up. |
| 16:09.31 | jpaetzel | It's really quite sekxy |
| 16:09.47 | dury | or could be also "mount /dev/hdb" but it doesn't |
| 16:09.54 | dury | either |
| 16:10.35 | Dewi | zinx, stew, bzed: thanks for recommending what appears to be the most Correct solution. I'll give pmount a try when I get the chance. For now, much-needed sleep. Goodnight. |
| 16:10.36 | cusco | dury: have you used fdisk -l to list all partitions on youtr system? could it be that it is sdc? |
| 16:11.01 | bzed | Dewi: sleep well |
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| 16:11.11 | dury | sdc, what's that? |
| 16:11.18 | jpaetzel | simonrvn: so pre-up something in /etc/network/interfaces will solve this? |
| 16:11.32 | cusco | dury: what's sdb or sdb1 and why are you trying to mount it? |
| 16:11.40 | simonrvn | well, if that's what you need to do to get it going |
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| 16:11.57 | simonrvn | start something up or do something before the iface gets brought up |
| 16:12.06 | dury | cusco: it's hdb or hdb1 |
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| 16:12.25 | simonrvn | afk |
| 16:12.32 | jpaetzel | simonrvn: Two things have to happen....wpa_supplicant has to run, the dhclient. |
| 16:13.28 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have a debian system that only runs a qt program ( it's the only purpose ). Which window manager should i use to save resources? |
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| 16:13.45 | karsten | FernandoMM: Really doesn't matter |
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| 16:14.31 | karsten | FernandoMM: I'd suggest _not_ running GNOME. Running KDE which is also Qt-based will tend to use the same libs, but it's slightly heavy (though not significantly on modern HW). |
| 16:14.40 | Ysangkok | FernandoMM: if you just want something lightweight: TWM, fluxbox, enlightenment? |
| 16:14.41 | Gathond | FernandoMM: gnome might be a bad choice, but other than that it does not really matter, and gnome might not qualify as a windows manager but an entire desktop system |
| 16:14.42 | karsten | FernandoMM: Otherwise, any light WM would work fine. |
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| 16:15.53 | FernandoMM | TWM will run qt programs fine, right? Currently i'm running kde but the hardware is really old and it's kind of heavy. |
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| 16:17.12 | Ysangkok | all window managers should be able to run QT applications |
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| 16:17.20 | Ysangkok | TWM is just kinda lightweight |
| 16:17.52 | apk | Why does he need a window manager if there is only one application? |
| 16:18.23 | erstss | hey again: i installed kde on debian 2.6: when i run startx i get: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer ) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed ) with 0 eventents remaining. xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "something:0" in "remove" command |
| 16:18.51 | apk | erstss: Did X work before you installed KDE? |
| 16:19.09 | erstss | never tested, i think |
| 16:19.18 | erstss | what is X |
| 16:19.21 | erstss | ? |
| 16:19.50 | erstss | i am a noob |
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| 16:19.55 | dury | cusco: there are 2 HD in this debian box one hda1 and hdb1... I want to format hdb1 and make mountable |
| 16:20.01 | erstss | or so |
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| 16:20.08 | geo-rge | abrotman: ayh? |
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| 16:20.13 | NickFactory | hello |
| 16:20.16 | NickFactory | any supporter here ? |
| 16:20.20 | geo-rge | hi |
| 16:20.24 | NickFactory | hi |
| 16:20.28 | NickFactory | i got some dns issue |
| 16:20.29 | schme | erstss: X is a windowing system. |
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| 16:20.36 | NickFactory | i am setuping VHCS2 |
| 16:20.39 | vinvin | dury: hda1 and hdb1 are partitions, not hard drives |
| 16:20.40 | schme | erstss: You run KDE on top of it. |
| 16:20.41 | simonrvn | !x |
| 16:20.44 | NickFactory | but not receving any email |
| 16:20.56 | NickFactory | even sometime its not resolving the DNS. |
| 16:21.00 | NickFactory | i am just confisue |
| 16:21.05 | simonrvn | !x11 |
| 16:21.05 | dpkg | x11 is, like, a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
| 16:21.11 | NickFactory | Please enter system network address (Enter for defaults) [127.0.0.1]: |
| 16:21.15 | NickFactory | what should i give here ? |
| 16:21.16 | erstss | eh, i have only installed kde |
| 16:21.47 | vinvin | dury: if you have partitions on hdb, you can format it with mke2fs for example |
| 16:21.47 | NickFactory | my server IP ? |
| 16:21.47 | NickFactory | or localhost ? |
| 16:21.47 | erstss | maybe i have to install x too |
| 16:21.47 | vinvin | s/it/them/ |
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| 16:21.49 | schme | erstss: I doubt it. The KDE packages depends on the X packages. |
| 16:21.59 | geo-rge | NickFactory: well, I never set that particular thing up... but is it also asking for netmask and like that? |
| 16:22.00 | apk | erstss: You already have X installed, X is giving you those errors. The problem is that X is not configured properly. |
| 16:22.10 | erstss | ok |
| 16:22.10 | NickFactory | gentgeen__ |
| 16:22.13 | NickFactory | geo-rge |
| 16:22.14 | simonrvn | erm, only certain of the packages... |
| 16:22.17 | erstss | what do i do |
| 16:22.17 | dury | vinvin: the second hd it's hdb |
| 16:22.22 | wintix | schme: no. you can have kde and no x-server on one machine. |
| 16:22.24 | NickFactory | its asking what is the net address of server where i am setting up the web server control panel |
| 16:22.31 | vinvin | dury yes it is |
| 16:22.37 | schme | wintix: Of course you can. |
| 16:22.49 | dury | vinvin: I want to format that hdb |
| 16:22.51 | wintix | schme: because it doesn't depend on it. |
| 16:23.00 | vinvin | dury: you have partitions on hdb already ? |
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| 16:23.07 | geo-rge | ok, so you have a control panel you are setting up... what does it control? |
| 16:23.13 | NickFactory | gentgeen__ |
| 16:23.16 | NickFactory | geo-rge |
| 16:23.17 | NickFactory | web server |
| 16:23.21 | NickFactory | http://www.vhcs.net |
| 16:23.26 | schme | wintix: You are totally right. |
| 16:23.34 | erstss | how to start kde without x then? |
| 16:23.37 | schme | wintix: It only suggests x-window-system-core. |
| 16:23.39 | dury | vinvin: yeah but I want to format it |
| 16:23.44 | omg0_ | bzed: I am running debian on vm now for this chat. Yesterday we were doing the upgrade to etch which I think came out beautifully until I rebooted a second time. |
| 16:23.54 | apk | erstss: You can't. KDE runs on top of X |
| 16:23.54 | geo-rge | so you want to do hosting |
| 16:24.01 | chronic1 | anyone here set up their own debian repository for local network installs of debian? |
| 16:24.01 | vinvin | dury: so mke2fs on your partition (like /dev/hdb1) |
| 16:24.02 | erstss | ok |
| 16:24.07 | NickFactory | geo-rge well i purchased this server for hosting |
| 16:24.09 | NickFactory | lawl |
| 16:24.12 | geo-rge | ok |
| 16:24.16 | dury | vinvin: the main thing it's in hda |
| 16:24.20 | mgn | UGABUGABUGA!!!! |
| 16:24.21 | vinvin | dury: mke2fs is for ext2 or ext3 of course |
| 16:24.24 | erstss | how to configure x then? |
| 16:24.30 | chronic1 | do i need anyspecial software for the serverside...or just the packages and an ip for for the local server? |
| 16:24.34 | wintix | erstss: check that you have x-window-system installed. if not, install it. |
| 16:24.39 | vinvin | dury: so what ? |
| 16:24.47 | erstss | ok |
| 16:25.06 | omg0_ | bzed: I have the debian network boot CD. Can I add a kernel using the network boot CD? |
| 16:25.10 | schme | erstss: and mebbe paste your x config and error log somewhere. |
| 16:25.12 | geo-rge | NickFactory: and this control panel is to run where, on each of your client's machines? |
| 16:25.25 | erstss | but i thought it was x giving me the error message |
| 16:25.25 | dury | so I don't want format hda |
| 16:25.29 | dury | hdb |
| 16:25.32 | NickFactory | gentgeen__ |
| 16:25.34 | NickFactory | on the server |
| 16:25.39 | NickFactory | geo-rge on the server ;/ |
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| 16:25.43 | NickFactory | kind of "CPANEL" |
| 16:25.45 | NickFactory | or "PLESK |
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| 16:25.48 | NickFactory | or "ENSIM" |
| 16:25.49 | NickFactory | lawl |
| 16:25.51 | slax | hi guys |
| 16:26.11 | geo-rge | ok, so the control panel is to run on the server, controlling services on the same server. yes? |
| 16:26.11 | slax | how can i find out, how many Megabytes = 1 kb ? |
| 16:26.12 | dury | vinvin: there is and application called cfdisk |
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| 16:26.17 | vinvin | dury if you want to format hdb1 just do it ! |
| 16:26.17 | wintix | erstss: it seems you have some sort of driver problem. but let's first check the essential stuff. x-window-system installed, etc. |
| 16:26.27 | vinvin | dury yes it's for creating partitions |
| 16:26.36 | geo-rge | slax: about 0.001 |
| 16:26.45 | slax | ok |
| 16:26.48 | NickFactory | geo-rge yes |
| 16:27.09 | slax | geo-rge but how did you get that? |
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| 16:27.14 | slax | is there a table i can look up? |
| 16:27.18 | geo-rge | I guess you could use localhost then (or 127.0.0.1) |
| 16:27.43 | dury | vinvin: imagine I want to use cfdisk with hdb, how can I launch it? |
| 16:27.45 | erstss | where do i configure x |
| 16:27.45 | geo-rge | slax: simple division, and blind approximation :) |
| 16:27.56 | geo-rge | !drxx |
| 16:27.57 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 16:27.57 | vinvin | dury: cfdisk /dev/hdb |
| 16:28.11 | vinvin | dury: you told that it was already partitioned o_o |
| 16:28.11 | dury | vinvin: right |
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| 16:28.30 | erstss | ok |
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| 16:28.56 | geo-rge | slax: I also understand binary pretty well |
| 16:28.56 | vinvin | dury: cfdisk writes the partition table, but you have to format the partitions then, with mke2fs or some |
| 16:28.57 | omg0_ | what's the equivalent of cfdisk in debian? |
| 16:29.05 | geo-rge | cfdisk!! |
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| 16:29.21 | vinvin | lol |
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| 16:29.36 | geo-rge | you can also use fdisk and sfdisk |
| 16:29.49 | omg0_ | ah must be root to run it |
| 16:30.02 | vinvin | that could help :) |
| 16:30.06 | dury | vinvin: long to explain what I did in this box, anyway! |
| 16:30.09 | geo-rge | yep... now why in the world did they do that?! |
| 16:30.19 | vinvin | :) |
| 16:30.22 | erstss | i get xserver-xorg not installed |
| 16:30.40 | geo-rge | erstss: ok, so: what is your next step? |
| 16:30.47 | erstss | sorry never mind |
| 16:30.49 | nescius | speaking of which, while creating raid1 in debian instalation skips configuring of root user, apart of other things |
| 16:31.14 | cydork | nescius: which installer? |
| 16:31.19 | geo-rge | erstss: no problem, just waking you up a little bit, getting you to think :) |
| 16:31.35 | nescius | debian stable, i think its 3.1rc5 |
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| 16:31.59 | nescius | i was looking for the real stable but without success |
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| 16:32.07 | dustybin | i need to ask some basic questions about the worlds internet DNS servers. Who are the main people behind domain name registrations? |
| 16:32.12 | geo-rge | that's it |
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| 16:32.28 | geo-rge | it's distributed now |
| 16:32.34 | wintix | dustybin: have your tried wikipedia? |
| 16:32.36 | geo-rge | used to be "network solutions" |
| 16:32.44 | dustybin | ok ill check |
| 16:32.50 | wintix | dustybin: s/your/you/ |
| 16:32.59 | dustybin | ? |
| 16:33.11 | dustybin | s/your/you/ ? |
| 16:33.22 | nescius | geo-rge, like this is a real stable?? |
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| 16:33.28 | geo-rge | and before that, mostly colleges and universities (I guess; they were the main entities with inet) |
| 16:33.44 | cydork | nescius: hmm i think you should send a installation report. |
| 16:33.50 | geo-rge | nescius: presently, 3.1.x is "stable" |
| 16:34.31 | nescius | cydork, indeed, please send me a link of your bugzilla |
| 16:34.45 | cydork | nescius: you can just use installation-report package. |
| 16:34.47 | nescius | if you using it |
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| 16:35.24 | linlin | is there a binary release of apache 2.2 in debians repos ? |
| 16:35.25 | nescius | cydork, i am not using debian, i am forced to work with them on some servers |
| 16:35.31 | erstss | how do i find exact busid for the graphic card |
| 16:35.48 | nescius | cydork, is there an another way? |
| 16:35.49 | vinvin | yes linlin in unstable |
| 16:35.49 | cydork | nescius: you can check if there is any bugs regarding that in bugs.debian.org |
| 16:35.54 | dgram | does anyone know how you set sendmail up to accept relaying for authenticated users? |
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| 16:35.58 | ugly | what's the "proper" way to find out the path that a symlink points to in bash? |
| 16:36.06 | vinvin | linlin: and probably testing |
| 16:36.07 | stew | ugly: readlink |
| 16:36.17 | ugly | stew: thanks |
| 16:36.18 | duun | hi |
| 16:36.18 | cydork | nescius: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html#submit-bug |
| 16:36.26 | omg0_ | I think I lost my kernel. How can I check what I had with the network boot cd or DSL live? |
| 16:36.26 | geo-rge | ugly: or ls -l <thelink> |
| 16:36.29 | stew | ugly: (or possibly readlink -f if you want to do it recursively) |
| 16:36.41 | erstss | i tried lspci, but i dont get anything look like the exaple in xfree86 |
| 16:36.50 | erstss | config |
| 16:36.53 | jelly-home | erstss: generally you can leave the fiend blank |
| 16:36.58 | erstss | ok |
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| 16:37.07 | ugly | geo-rge: yeah, that would need to then be parsed by sed or similar though (when scripting) |
| 16:37.11 | geo-rge | I lost my kernel too... it went private with my sarge |
| 16:37.30 | geo-rge | ugly: true enough :) |
| 16:37.53 | biz | i'm trying to mount an dvd image using mount image.img /mnt/loop -o loop=/dev/loop0 but i get this: "image.img: Text file busy" what does that mean, what can i do? |
| 16:38.19 | nescius | cydork, so there is no web interface for your bugzilla? |
| 16:38.29 | geo-rge | busy means it's open |
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| 16:38.36 | vinvin | biz what about mount -o loop image.img /mnt/loop ? |
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| 16:39.00 | biz | vinvin: same result |
| 16:39.11 | vinvin | biz: i don't know :p |
| 16:39.13 | FernandoMM | Could someone recommend me a tutorial about installing bootsplah on debian etch? |
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| 16:39.27 | geo-rge | what is /mnt/loop? |
| 16:39.28 | stew | biz: try "fuser /path/to/image.img" which will tell you the process that has image.img open |
| 16:39.29 | dual-man | hi everyone, when i start squid i get a page faults with physical i/o error |
| 16:39.33 | vinvin | the mount point |
| 16:39.39 | geo-rge | exists? |
| 16:39.39 | dual-man | what is thaat |
| 16:39.40 | dual-man | ? |
| 16:39.46 | vinvin | good ask |
| 16:39.51 | nescius | cydork, ok, there is a bug which d |
| 16:40.04 | vinvin | but why this error msg then |
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| 16:40.22 | geo-rge | vinvin: no idea... I'm taking shots in the dark |
| 16:40.28 | erstss | what is the xtt xserver module |
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| 16:40.40 | geo-rge | truetype font server? |
| 16:40.48 | nescius | disables installing raid in a working system, i cannot report that one thou, give it a try and report it if you can |
| 16:40.49 | mystic_jade | someone knows some good tutorial to install google earth in amd64 etch 64 bits? |
| 16:40.50 | erstss | nice |
| 16:41.01 | biz | stew: well the image is located on a cifs based share, however there should be no problem for samba to open a file readonly for multiple instances? perhaps i have to tweak the samba server? |
| 16:41.19 | mnvl_ | hi, can i install debian from CD on a headless machine by logging in to it over the LAN (not seriasl connection)?? |
| 16:41.20 | vinvin | huhu |
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| 16:41.59 | da-kerber- | FernandoMM: http://www.bootsplash.org/ |
| 16:42.02 | geo-rge | mnvl_: not sure... theoretically, yes, but the maints will have had to arrange for that |
| 16:42.21 | mnvl_ | sorry, geo-rge i don';t understand |
| 16:42.46 | geo-rge | mnvl_: that's an alias for "anything's possible if you build it" |
| 16:42.52 | erstss | he he, what is the command for shutting down debian? i have only used reboot so far ;@} |
| 16:42.56 | cydork | nescius: i can not reproduce it atm. as i am using etch |
| 16:42.57 | biz | mnvl_: boot a debian based live cd on the machine, log in from remote via ssh and remotely install debian.. there are many howtos for installing debian via ssh |
| 16:42.58 | vinvin | halt |
| 16:43.13 | erstss | tnx |
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| 16:44.39 | vy | Isn't there any fonts supporting unicode for terminals (xterm/aterm)? I couldn't see any in xlsfonts output. |
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| 16:45.12 | shogunx | vy uxterm |
| 16:45.33 | duun | I'm having a problem with scim and chinese input (smart-pinyin). I can't seem to find the word 'he1' (to drink). Any ideas, please? |
| 16:46.13 | intruder | hrm.. chinese have numbers in their words ? |
| 16:46.27 | stew | duun: you might try #debian-zh on irc.debian.org |
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| 16:46.52 | duun | the number is meant to indicate the tone of the word. @stew: thank you, I almost thought I was missing something. |
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| 16:47.44 | dury | vinvin: how can I format /dev/hdb1 and /dev/hdb5 doing this mke2fs /dev/hdb1 |
| 16:48.23 | vinvin | dury: that will format it to ext2 filesystem, you might want mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 for ext3 or another command for other filesystems |
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| 16:48.56 | duun | /bye |
| 16:49.04 | vinvin | bye duun :) |
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| 16:49.06 | dury | vinvin: hnag on |
| 16:49.12 | dury | hang on |
| 16:49.14 | vinvin | yes yes |
| 16:49.21 | wintix | alternatively, use mkfs.ext3, dury. |
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| 16:52.24 | dual-man | how can i check file system integrity? |
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| 16:52.46 | vinvin | fsck dual-man |
| 16:53.25 | mgn | Why is debian called debian?? |
| 16:53.49 | ugly | mgn: contraction of Deborah and Ian (as described on debian.org) |
| 16:53.49 | dual-man | what is a page fault i/o error? |
| 16:53.57 | stew | mgn: the man who created it is named "Ian" and his wife is "Deb" |
| 16:54.02 | jelly-home | !name |
| 16:54.03 | dpkg | hmm... name is The name comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. (See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/) |
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| 16:54.25 | vinvin | cool stew ! :) |
| 16:54.38 | mgn | nice! thx :) |
| 16:54.57 | ugly | mgn: and to answer your likely follow-up question: the branches are named after toy story characters because Ian was a known pedophile |
| 16:55.07 | mgn | :D |
| 16:55.12 | jelly-home | ugly! |
| 16:55.13 | da-kerber- | lol |
| 16:55.35 | stew | toy story names weren't used until after Ian left the project... |
| 16:55.39 | geo-rge | toast n peanutbutter n raspberry jam too |
| 16:55.48 | da-kerber- | ever wondered why ppl flee to ubuntu? it's bad publicity :D |
| 16:55.49 | jelly-home | stew: LOONESTAR! |
| 16:56.03 | ugly | stew: right, but the tradition was started in his honor :) |
| 16:56.15 | geo-rge | da-kerber-: look at how they get treated |
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| 16:57.19 | erstss | thanks alot, kde 3.3 is smooth n good looking ;@} |
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| 16:57.58 | da-kerber- | but fluxbox is better :P sorry, don't wanna start a wm war |
| 16:58.02 | geo-rge | erstss: you did much of the work... |
| 16:58.18 | geo-rge | FVWM2!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:58.21 | vinvin | lol |
| 16:58.25 | da-kerber- | hihi |
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| 16:58.34 | mech422 | hi all - anyone else having problems with pstoraster from gs-esp segfaulting (signal 11) when printing from cups ? I'm on Etch amd64... |
| 16:58.36 | geo-rge | umm, can;t decide if it sux or rox |
| 16:58.46 | geo-rge | that's not much of a war... |
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| 16:59.22 | da-kerber- | <geo-rge> umm, can;t decide if it sux or rox <--- what? FB or FVWM2? |
| 16:59.23 | andrago | the basic system installation is the minimum you can install in debian? |
| 16:59.33 | geo-rge | da-kerber-: yes |
| 16:59.39 | omg0_ | can anyone tell me the dpkg command to install debian kernel |
| 16:59.52 | vinvin | lol yes |
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| 17:00.06 | mech422 | omg0_: dpkg -i blahblah.deb |
| 17:00.10 | HardDisk_WP | hiho |
| 17:00.22 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a ICQ library with full support? |
| 17:00.23 | mech422 | omg0: make sure your root, and your in the same dir as the deb file |
| 17:00.25 | geo-rge | hahehihohu |
| 17:00.26 | stew | omg0_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:00.27 | da-kerber- | geo-rge: you have major bugs. u can't even handle bolean operations |
| 17:00.46 | geo-rge | bot eye kan spel gud! |
| 17:00.53 | vinvin | :) |
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| 17:01.02 | da-kerber- | hehe. ispell? |
| 17:01.12 | geo-rge | uspeltoo? |
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| 17:01.42 | kofler | Hello again. |
| 17:01.45 | kofler | I'm trying to integrate Kerberos authentication and SSH, but I'm getting this message over and over: No principal in keytab matches desired name |
| 17:01.52 | kofler | What does that mean? Google doesn't reveal much. Someone on the web mentioned he/she entered kinit -k on the machine hosting the SSH daemon and it prints out the same type of list as my machine does. |
| 17:02.23 | geo-rge | I've built the kerb5 stuff, but never got beyond that |
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| 17:02.32 | Benbread | Hi there - I'm installing debian etch - i don't know the release number, sorry :S - netinst on an older machine, cd boots but after the main "F1 for options" etc screen on pressing enter i just get blank - Does anyone have a kernel parameter i could use which might help? Thanks :D |
| 17:02.37 | geo-rge | I think I once got a TGT from it |
| 17:02.38 | ugly | if the output of a command goes over one "page" in xterm, is there a way to select it all with the mouse while simultaneously scrolling down with the wheel? at the moment, it seems to cut off previously selected text as you scroll down, unlike in aterm |
| 17:03.01 | geo-rge | ugly: that's just ugly! |
| 17:03.08 | vinvin | lol |
| 17:03.14 | ugly | indeed |
| 17:03.21 | vinvin | ugly: left click at the beginning, and right click at the end |
| 17:03.22 | stew | ugly: left click at the beginning, scroll, right clieck at the end |
| 17:03.27 | ugly | nice |
| 17:03.27 | vinvin | huhu :) |
| 17:03.53 | vinvin | the 'scroll, ' make me won |
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| 17:04.24 | Quazar | Anyone know how i can fix a eggdrop install problem, dorks in #egghelp just idle |
| 17:04.39 | abrotman | geo-rge: ? |
| 17:04.44 | stew | Quazar: how did you install eggdrop? |
| 17:04.56 | Quazar | stew - Regular way |
| 17:05.07 | Quazar | wget/tar/ configure |
| 17:05.07 | geo-rge | abrotman: success report on the razr, got it to send me its pics |
| 17:05.12 | stew | Quazar: meaning what? apt-get install eggdrop? |
| 17:05.14 | Quazar | stew - but then i get this error |
| 17:05.26 | abrotman | geo-rge: oh .. goodie! |
| 17:05.27 | Quazar | stew - no, i didnt know i could do that, |
| 17:05.33 | stew | Quazar: you could |
| 17:05.37 | Quazar | stew - i'll try |
| 17:05.57 | geo-rge | yeah, you mentioned you had a camera phone, so I wanted to let you know there's hope :) |
| 17:06.38 | abrotman | geo-rge: dunno if it'll work though .. and my laptop doesn't have BT .. but my mac does |
| 17:06.49 | geo-rge | BT? |
| 17:06.55 | abrotman | bluetooth |
| 17:07.03 | geo-rge | oh, I used a usb cable |
| 17:07.03 | Quazar | stew - it worked, it installed with no problems, but how do i get to it now? |
| 17:07.18 | Quazar | whereis eggdrop |
| 17:07.18 | Quazar | eggdrop: /usr/bin/eggdrop /usr/lib/eggdrop /usr/share/eggdrop /usr/share/man/man1/eggdrop.1.gz |
| 17:07.23 | geo-rge | if you get -that- to work I'm -all- ears |
| 17:07.28 | abrotman | geo-rge: yeah .. i'd have to go buy that .. i'll try bluetooth first |
| 17:08.02 | geo-rge | for the razr-based phones, it's a standard 5-pin usb <--> miniusb cable |
| 17:08.06 | da-kerber- | anyone of you gals or guys having a Voodoo3? |
| 17:08.15 | stew | Quazar: /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/README.Debian[.gz] |
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| 17:08.19 | vinvin | i had a pci one da-kerber- |
| 17:08.35 | geo-rge | they were gonna charge me 35 bux at bestbuy :( so I went to compusa and saved 15 |
| 17:09.04 | abrotman | i don't have that option |
| 17:09.20 | da-kerber- | vinvin: ever tried to enable framebuffer support? |
| 17:09.30 | dual-man | i'm trying to start squid proxy on my gateway and it's telling me i have a page fault i/o error |
| 17:09.30 | da-kerber- | trying to get bootsplash to work |
| 17:09.45 | geo-rge | well please let me know if you get that working, and how you did it... presently getting a mac with bt builtin is not an option for me |
| 17:09.52 | dual-man | it was working fine till yesterday and it just quit working all of a sudden |
| 17:10.05 | vinvin | da-kerber-: no |
| 17:10.14 | abrotman | geo-rge: yeah .. i'd have to get a bluetooth pcmcia card .. or a new laptop |
| 17:10.27 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 17:10.56 | geo-rge | I should have considered that |
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| 17:11.05 | linlin | what should i do to completly remove apache2 and completly remove php |
| 17:11.11 | vinvin | hell that can suck that daylight saving |
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| 17:11.32 | geo-rge | linlin: if you installed it as a deb package, just use dpkg to remove it |
| 17:11.38 | vinvin | linlin apt-get remove apache* *php.* maybe |
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| 17:12.19 | geo-rge | if apt-get even understands wildcards like that, you'd be well-served quoting them |
| 17:12.25 | linlin | i want to make sure its completly removed |
| 17:12.27 | vinvin | yes |
| 17:12.41 | stew | linlin: aptitude purge php4-common apache2-common |
| 17:12.54 | geo-rge | like: apt-get remove "apache*" "*php.*" |
| 17:12.55 | vinvin | deborphan and --purge too |
| 17:13.07 | Benbread | Can i tell Debian Etch installer to start without the fancy GUI? |
| 17:13.22 | omg0_ | Mech: thanks |
| 17:13.36 | omg0_ | Stew: running version 3.1 |
| 17:13.49 | hark | Benbread: that's not the default? |
| 17:14.38 | stew | omg0_: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 17:14.46 | Benbread | hark: this disk starts with the mouse enabled GUI |
| 17:14.47 | apk | The Etch installer has a fancy GUI? I used it twice, and saw the same old text menus. |
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| 17:15.18 | cydork | apk: you have to type installgui at the boot propt. |
| 17:15.20 | hark | Benbread: check boot options.. function keys F2 + |
| 17:15.46 | geo-rge | I think there are hooks so you -can- have a fancy installer (one way, starting with svga x server) |
| 17:15.54 | omg0_ | stew: it was sarge and we were upgrading to etch |
| 17:15.56 | apk | cydork: Ah. Does it say that on the boot prompt screen? |
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| 17:16.19 | stew | omg0_: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 17:16.36 | Benbread | hark: I've had a look, and any relevent display options i've tried to no avail |
| 17:16.43 | apk | What advantage does the "fancy GUI" have over the old text gui? Can I play Tetris while packages are installing? |
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| 17:16.49 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 17:17.01 | alucard | i have a question: i was able to make-dpkg my kernel sources earlier, but now, regardless of which sources i try to make a package out of, it returns "nothing to do" |
| 17:17.02 | gypsymauro | someone knows it debian grub is compiled with netboot enabled? |
| 17:17.21 | abrotman | you can get the source package and check |
| 17:17.28 | vinvin | that could be cool apk :) |
| 17:17.44 | Ysangkok | apk: yep |
| 17:17.59 | Benbread | let m try a different installer download - this one is quite old |
| 17:18.14 | alucard | i have a question: i was able to make-dpkg my kernel sources earlier, but now, regardless of which sources i try to make a package out of, it returns "nothing to do" |
| 17:18.21 | cartesian1984 | Question. I want to have a second debian mirror to fall back on in case the fast debian mirror nearby fails. How can I do that? Do I just add them to my sources.list? |
| 17:18.22 | geo-rge | Benbread: why not just install the base then upgrade? |
| 17:18.23 | omg0_ | stew: here is the big problem now stew. Is there a way to do that with the network boot disk without messing up the upgrades I did already |
| 17:18.43 | stew | omg0_: why not? how do the upgrades you did already get messed up? |
| 17:18.49 | geo-rge | cartesian1984: I don't think it'll auto fallback |
| 17:18.57 | stew | omg0_: oh, wait, i misread |
| 17:19.07 | Benbread | geo-rge:I can't get past the init.rd part :P |
| 17:19.16 | geo-rge | ahh |
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| 17:19.21 | stew | omg0_: what network boot disk? an etch installer? |
| 17:19.57 | omg0_ | stew. the general network installer. I originally used it to install sarge |
| 17:19.59 | gypsymauro | abrotman: I tryed but I'm not sure :/ |
| 17:20.18 | cartesian1984 | geo-rge: that's a shame, because I get 500KB/s from this mirror when it's up, but it fails really often. |
| 17:20.47 | alucard | i have a question: i was able to make-dpkg my kernel sources earlier, but now, regardless of which sources i try to make a package out of, it returns "nothing to do" |
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| 17:20.54 | geo-rge | ls ls *00* |
| 17:21.00 | geo-rge | argh :P |
| 17:21.10 | omg0_ | then I upgraded to etch yesterday and rebooted and the second time I rebooted it came back to the grub screen with no option to boot in that os |
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| 17:21.41 | vinvin | cya guys |
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| 17:21.47 | omg0_ | stew: so I booted into DSL and check and there was no image in the boot directory |
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| 17:21.50 | abrotman | gypsymauro: then perhaps check the documentation |
| 17:21.55 | abrotman | oh .. look .. a drive-by op! |
| 17:21.57 | hark | damn.. what could be the reason that vim takes about 4 seconds to open any file in a particular screen session, and outside it or in a new session, it's almost instant? |
| 17:23.04 | trelane | <asbestos=1>because vim sucks of course</asbestos> |
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| 17:23.22 | nescius | i think that there is a bug which disables installing raid in a working system, i cannot report that one thou, can anyone verify it and make a bugreport? |
| 17:24.00 | nescius | the problem is with root password, which is omitted while install |
| 17:24.02 | stew | omg0_: you mean the upgrade removed your sarge kernel from /boot ? |
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| 17:24.45 | mech422 | hark: dns resolution of some sort ? |
| 17:24.51 | abrotman | can't they make libc6 depend on kernel-image-2.6-486 or some crap ? |
| 17:24.57 | geo-rge | nescius: why not make a web page or something like that with as much detail as you know.... then show them that here, so they can more effectively verify that |
| 17:24.59 | Shamurai | out of interest |
| 17:25.06 | geo-rge | it could be your hw maybe |
| 17:25.18 | omg0_ | stew: I think so. I have no other explanation. Seems something moved it |
| 17:25.18 | roxy_ | did anything change in the svn package (testing). |
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| 17:25.25 | stew | omg0_: boot, mount your / partition to /target, mount --bind /dev /target/bind ; chroot /target ; mount /sys ; mount /proc ; apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 (or whichever -arch is appropriate for your cpu) |
| 17:25.45 | geo-rge | roxy_: compare the versions (which are in the .deb file name) |
| 17:25.55 | geo-rge | among other places |
| 17:25.57 | mech422 | anyone having problems printing to smb printer ? for some reason pstoraster from gs-esp keeps segfaulting here... |
| 17:26.01 | roxy_ | Everything was working fine before and now I got svn: Not authorized to open root of edit operation on all repo. |
| 17:26.01 | mystic_jade | why debian don`t have libpangohack.so.0 ? |
| 17:26.10 | hark | mech422: yeah, i noticed it earlier, but i'm now on the same computer.. |
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| 17:26.25 | geo-rge | mystic_jade: what needs that? |
| 17:26.47 | geo-rge | get the source and build it if you want it |
| 17:27.02 | mech422 | hark: oh? Didn't happen to notice any bugs filed on it, did you ? I didn't have much luck finding one... |
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| 17:28.37 | mystic_jade | geo-rge to 32 aplications like google eath running in debian etch amd64 x64 bits os or to run firefox 32 since the iceweasel looks are having poblems ... |
| 17:28.50 | mystic_jade | complains about persons that are using 64 bits |
| 17:28.52 | mystic_jade | for exemple |
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| 17:29.42 | geo-rge | sounds mainly like it's for iceweasel? probably the iceweasel maint will decide if s/he wants to use that |
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| 17:30.12 | mech422 | mystic_jada: what problems with ice weasel - aside from ugly fonts (fixed) it appears to working well on my amd64 Etch system ? |
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| 17:30.14 | mystic_jade | geo-rge is not to iceweasel but to google erath that i'm try to install it here for a few days |
| 17:30.17 | erstss | how do i become root in ex. bash in kde on debian |
| 17:30.42 | mech422 | erstss: KDE has a menu option to start a root shell |
| 17:30.49 | erstss | ok |
| 17:30.50 | geo-rge | erstss: one way: su - another way: ssh root@localhost |
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| 17:31.04 | erstss | tnx |
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| 17:31.10 | da-kerber- | what is ex. bash? |
| 17:31.24 | geo-rge | the second way should let you run x apps as root even if your server is running as you (usually this -prevents- that) |
| 17:31.31 | erstss | for example i short term |
| 17:31.32 | mech422 | da-kerber-: Its a specially enhanced bash used only for examples... |
| 17:31.42 | mystic_jade | mech422 the bookmarsks for exemple andi'm not the firts i see to cmplain about the icewaesel but it isworking +- fine here ... but what im try to do for a few days is one simple instalation for google eatrh thing i do in 5 minuts in windows LOL |
| 17:31.42 | erstss | he he |
| 17:31.43 | dkr | da-kerber-: apparently his version of "e.g. bash" |
| 17:31.44 | da-kerber- | aaaaaaah :] |
| 17:31.49 | Ysangkok | erstss: geo-rge solution will obviusly only work if root is allowed on the ssh server |
| 17:31.56 | geo-rge | right |
| 17:31.57 | erstss | jepp right |
| 17:32.02 | erstss | ;@}' |
| 17:32.11 | mech422 | mystic_jade: Hmm - I'll have to try the bookmarks thing |
| 17:32.23 | geo-rge | but additionally xbase-clients must be installed |
| 17:32.39 | Ysangkok | IMHO that's not a good policy for the ssh-server |
| 17:32.49 | geo-rge | that's also true |
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| 17:32.51 | da-kerber- | <mech422> da-kerber-: Its a specially enhanced bash used only for examples... <--- LOL I almost oversaw it |
| 17:33.04 | mech422 | heh |
| 17:34.11 | mystic_jade | i really like linux but the instalations are really bored ... |
| 17:34.18 | mech422 | so I guess I have to live without printing for now :-( that sucks. Hopefully cups will get updated/fixed soon |
| 17:34.27 | da-kerber- | what do i add to the sudoers to only having once to type the root password per session? It's a desktop PC which is not online, so save your usual notices about security :D |
| 17:34.52 | mech422 | thanks for the help guys |
| 17:34.55 | amee2k | does the debian stable stock kernel have USS mass storage device drivers compiled in? |
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| 17:35.03 | mech422 | have a good week |
| 17:35.06 | stew | amee2k: yes |
| 17:35.06 | mech422 | bye |
| 17:35.11 | stew | amee2k: as modules |
| 17:35.11 | amee2k | good :) |
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| 17:35.28 | amee2k | not good. i want to mount the roor partition from a flash drive |
| 17:35.30 | Benbread | What port does the debian installer use? I think my router is causing mayhem with the netinst :P |
| 17:35.45 | amee2k | root* partition |
| 17:35.47 | stew | amee2k: that's not a problem since the debian stock kenrel is an initrd kernel anyway |
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| 17:36.13 | amee2k | do i have to make any modifications to make that driver available at boot time? |
| 17:36.23 | stew | amee2k: (all the ide/scsi/sata drivers are also compiled as modules, and obviously you can put root on those without a problem) |
| 17:36.44 | amee2k | hm... i see |
| 17:37.01 | stew | amee2k: if your root partition is mounted via usb at the time when you install the kenrel then you shouldn't need to. if not, you'd have to edit the initrd creator's config before generating the initrd |
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| 17:37.32 | ugly | is there a way to change the word boundary delimiters in xterm? e.g. make it so that I can double click on "one-two" and have all one-two selected |
| 17:37.36 | amee2k | i'm running off the netinst cd now and it detected the flash drive |
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| 17:39.01 | Ysangkok | ugly: there is in gnome-terminal and xfterm |
| 17:39.15 | mystic_jade | well looks i got to staywhithout google earth here no more paciencie or time lol |
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| 17:40.09 | da-kerber- | no1 can help me with my sudoers file :/ i'm outta luck... |
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| 17:40.55 | ugly | Ysangkok: they let you change the word boundary delimiters? |
| 17:41.03 | stew | da-kerber-: man sudoers ; search for passwd_timeout |
| 17:41.14 | da-kerber- | stew: tnx :D |
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| 17:41.33 | ugly | Ysangkok: do you know offhand if they support unicode? |
| 17:41.48 | da-kerber- | amee2k: ur saying ssh is better? |
| 17:41.48 | mystic_jade | 64 bits sucks ... the suport ... the programers are stop the evolution |
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| 17:42.36 | omg0_ | stew: If I read what you typed correctly and understood it. Then when I typed at the command prompt: mount / /target It should have worked and not have given me the error "failed: No such file or directory" |
| 17:42.49 | geo-rge | mystic_jade: it's like zen... at first all is calm... then the bit width doubles, and chaos fills the world... then after awhile things will be as calm as they once were |
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| 17:43.09 | amee2k | da-kerber-: actually it was kind of an in-joke. the idea behind sudo is that you can allows users to execute commands as other users without exposing the password. logging in on localhost with ssh and p/key auth and executing the command has about the same effect |
| 17:43.31 | amee2k | can allow* |
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| 17:44.36 | da-kerber- | gotta be careful with those geeky jokes - i've only used linux since a year now ;] i'm kiddin', just let them out |
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| 17:44.59 | amee2k | hehe |
| 17:45.03 | mystic_jade | geo-rge lol |
| 17:45.25 | amee2k | anyways, if you have more than one box at home or anywhere ssh is a nice thing to know about |
| 17:45.32 | EmergeTW | I'm setting up a file/print/pdc for a very small business. The machine is 450mhz so I am looking to do a very light install with only what is strictly needed to fufill the task (samba/dns/dhcp). Which iso should I grab? the netinst should be ok right? |
| 17:45.44 | wols | yes |
| 17:45.55 | wols | and don't select anything when tasksel asks you |
| 17:45.57 | da-kerber- | i'll keep that in mind. thought this was only useful for apache... |
| 17:46.33 | geo-rge | EmergeTW: and when you install the specific things you want, any needed packages will be installed automatically |
| 17:46.46 | stew | omg0_: run "mkdir /target" first |
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| 17:47.09 | geo-rge | you should use aptitude too, I think that will help keep your installation slim |
| 17:47.25 | wols | EmergeTW: disks >127GB will be a problem btw. unless you use an PCI contrller |
| 17:47.45 | Gge | Can synaptic be used instead of aptitude ? |
| 17:48.03 | EmergeTW | wols: why would large disks be a problem? |
| 17:48.06 | Ysangkok | yes? |
| 17:48.18 | h3sp4wn | aptitude would make it fatter than apt-get (unless you disable --with-recommends by default) |
| 17:48.19 | da-kerber- | use synaptic, belive me, aptitude is a pain in the neck |
| 17:48.25 | wols | cause the build in IDE controller cannot only use a 32bit register to address ectors |
| 17:48.34 | wols | bigger harddisks have more than 4 billion sectors |
| 17:48.40 | wols | or 2? |
| 17:48.45 | wols | something like that |
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| 17:48.51 | wols | and the limit happens there |
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| 17:49.12 | amee2k | da-kerber-: ssh allows you to securely log in on a remote machine and execute commands there, basically the evolution of telnet. `scp` allows you to securely transfer files on the command line using the same encryption and authentication mechanism. |
| 17:49.26 | EmergeTW | wols, ah you are refereing to the limits of the hardware in the system based on the fact that it is 450mhz |
| 17:49.47 | wols | EmergeTW: so you need a IDE or better sata controller which uses 48bit to address the sectors |
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| 17:50.22 | mystic_jade | geo-rge but funny don`t resolve the problems .. |
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| 17:50.25 | wols | yes. those rarely if ever have modern enough controllers. unless you install on a ultrasparc or something :) |
| 17:50.40 | EmergeTW | wols, well space really wont be an issue. their old server is running novell netware 5.0 and has an 8 gig drive of which they are using half |
| 17:50.42 | da-kerber- | interesting... can ssh be configured as sudo to remember the settings, like with password timeout and such? |
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| 17:51.06 | wols | heh. "fileserver" indeed |
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| 17:51.57 | stew | da-kerber-: yes, "man ssh-agent" "man ssh-add" |
| 17:53.11 | Ysangkok | ugly: i think gnome-terminal at least supports UTF-8, they have a "near-identical feature set" |
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| 17:53.39 | hark | yay, the strace helped.. |
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| 17:53.54 | amee2k | da-kerber-: ssh wasn't really intended to do the job of sudo, but p/key authentication allows you to log in with a cryptographic key and without a password. so it kinda has a similar effect |
| 17:54.03 | HAHAHA | is is there a way to upgrade to an older mysql server trough apt-get ? |
| 17:54.04 | abrotman | this looks promising |
| 17:54.15 | abrotman | HAHAHA: to an older ? |
| 17:54.24 | alucard | enouf: i found this error when i was doing make-kpkg clean, do you have any idea if this might be responsible " Error. The version number # # configuration written to .config # 2.6.20.4 is not all lowercase. Since the version ends up in the package name of the kernel image package, this is a Debian policy violation, and the packaging system shall refuse to package the image. . Stop." |
| 17:54.31 | da-kerber- | isn't that downgrade? |
| 17:54.35 | abrotman | HAHAHA: which version do you have .. and which do you want? |
| 17:54.57 | HAHAHA | i got the last one. |
| 17:54.59 | HAHAHA | but it bugged.. |
| 17:55.05 | HAHAHA | i jsut updated today.. |
| 17:55.08 | HAHAHA | i thikn its from distro |
| 17:55.16 | HAHAHA | contrib * |
| 17:55.30 | da-kerber- | gotta go guys. thanks a dozen. this was very productive tonight... :] |
| 17:55.38 | hark | contrib? |
| 17:55.40 | chronic1 | does netinstall account for cards that use ndiswrapper? |
| 17:55.50 | enouf | alucard: weren't you asking about a Ubuntu kernel over in ##linux? .. please go to #ubuntu or elsewhere for help with that |
| 17:56.27 | alucard | yah |
| 17:56.39 | zinx | chronic1: i don't believe ndiswrapper is included with the standard bootable portion of the netinstall cd, no |
| 17:56.40 | enouf | alucard: try again in various kernel channels as welll |
| 17:56.44 | hark | chronic1: no |
| 17:56.53 | chronic1 | shit sticks, lol |
| 17:57.03 | alucard | both debian and ubuntu use make-kpkg tho |
| 17:57.16 | enouf | so what? |
| 17:57.20 | HAHAHA | abrotman: the most stables version. i upgrade it fgrom contruib and it really bugged.. |
| 17:57.31 | enouf | !tell alucard -about based on debian |
| 17:57.38 | stew | HAHAHA: put the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-4.1 mysql-server-5.0" into a pastebin |
| 17:57.46 | chronic1 | hmm...is wireless pretty painless in most people's eyes? never used debian, but am familiar with ubuntu, and others |
| 17:57.46 | stew | HAHAHA: what is contruib? |
| 17:57.50 | EmergeTW | is there a benefit to useing synaptic instead of just using apt-get? The last time I used debian I believe apt was the only option. |
| 17:57.55 | alucard | enouf, you just dont know the answer |
| 17:58.00 | HAHAHA | contrib* |
| 17:58.08 | alucard | make-kpkg is used by both debian and ubuntu |
| 17:58.09 | stew | HAHAHA: there is no mysql-server in conrtib |
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| 17:58.18 | chronic1 | it is just that a package i need for a project is already configured for debian's package system |
| 17:58.20 | enouf | alucard: perhaps so .. but you're the one about to get kicked .. ;-) |
| 17:58.21 | dual-man | does debian have a recycle bin |
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| 17:58.38 | stew | alucard: please go to #ubuntu for ubuntu questions. we don't support ubuntu here, even if they are using the same tools |
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| 17:58.54 | stew | dual-man: not by default. apt-cache search libtrash |
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| 17:58.55 | HAHAHA | stew: oh ok.. then tt weird |
| 17:58.58 | dual-man | or someway of undeleting files |
| 17:59.06 | wols | alucard: you are right. enouf doesn't know shit about ubuntu. no one here does, whcih is why we can't answer your questions about it |
| 17:59.11 | hark | !tell alucard -about ubuntu |
| 17:59.13 | wols | !undelete |
| 17:59.14 | dpkg | i heard undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
| 17:59.17 | Ysangkok | dual-man: you'r desktop might have a recycle min |
| 17:59.20 | HAHAHA | where is the mysql error log is stored in debian? |
| 17:59.22 | wols | dual-man: the various DEs have sometimes one I think |
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| 17:59.35 | wols | HAHAHA: like all logs: /var/log |
| 17:59.41 | xand | dual-man: if you're using ext3, then the answer is no |
| 17:59.41 | stew | !undelete =~ s#; that's the point of journalling, after all## |
| 17:59.42 | dpkg | stew: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 17:59.50 | Ysangkok | dual-man: you can also undelete files if you are using ext2 i think |
| 17:59.52 | HAHAHA | wols: i cannot fin the error logs of mysql |
| 17:59.58 | xand | dual-man: unless you used gnome or kde and there's a recycle bin/trash folder there |
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| 18:00.14 | stew | HAHAHA: /etc/mysql/my.cnf will tell you where err-log goes if one is configured |
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| 18:00.16 | wols | HAHAHA: /var/log/mysql.err |
| 18:00.27 | stew | HAHAHA: which version of mysql-server do you have installedc? |
| 18:00.47 | HAHAHA | there nothin in it tat why its an empty log |
| 18:00.48 | Groundy | :-( `apt-get -f install` is telling me "pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks", and says: bind9-host: Conflicts: host, binutils: Conflicts: elf-binutils, any ideas? |
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| 18:00.52 | dury | vinvin: are you there? |
| 18:01.00 | HAHAHA | stew; 5.0 it works fine until i tryt oapt-get upgrade it today |
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| 18:01.36 | hark | HAHAHA: in what way does it not work? |
| 18:01.41 | stew | HAHAHA: please put the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0" into a pastebin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 18:01.41 | jet30 | hey |
| 18:01.49 | Ysangkok | dual-man: the tool for ext2 is called e2undel |
| 18:01.49 | alucard | the only reason i ever asked in here is because no one in ubuntu ever even tried to answer the question, i dont think the average ubuntu user is that knowledgable about linux |
| 18:02.01 | jet30 | if configure says add the correct paths, where do i add them> |
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| 18:02.24 | stew | !no undelete is undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
| 18:02.24 | dpkg | stew: what are you talking about? |
| 18:02.34 | stew | grr |
| 18:02.42 | stew | !no undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
| 18:02.43 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 18:02.59 | HAHAHA | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5821 |
| 18:03.05 | HAHAHA | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5821 |
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| 18:04.08 | stew | HAHAHA: that shows that you are running unstable, but you don't have any unstable sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:04.45 | stew | HAHAHA: can you also show the output of just "apt-cache policy" |
| 18:04.50 | jet30 | if configure says add the correct paths, where do i add them? |
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| 18:05.02 | stew | jet30: what are you trying to compile? |
| 18:05.08 | jet30 | some theme |
| 18:05.11 | jet30 | for kde |
| 18:05.18 | jet30 | says im missing xlib |
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| 18:05.35 | HAHAHA | stew: second, i disabled the contrib links |
| 18:05.36 | HAHAHA | i will put it abck now.. |
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| 18:05.40 | stew | HAHAHA: this has nothing to do with contrib |
| 18:05.53 | jet30 | i have libx11-6 |
| 18:05.56 | stew | HAHAHA: mysql-server-5.0 is in main, not contrib |
| 18:06.33 | stew | jet30: does it tell you what file it is looking for? if not, does config.log say which? |
| 18:06.35 | HAHAHA | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5823 |
| 18:06.48 | HAHAHA | i past the policy and policy mysql |
| 18:07.11 | infernix | hmm. i remember reading something about suspend-to-disk for running processes that came from the suspend2 kernel patch, does anyone happen to know what it was called? |
| 18:08.04 | stew | HAHAHA: you are trying to mix stable and unstable, which is not supported and is highly discouraged. since you managed to get mysql-server-5.0 installed, you forced your installation to unstable (which is not appropriate for a server). so you can ditch the stable sources now, and non-US no longer exists, so get rid of those two |
| 18:08.15 | stew | HAHAHA: and you need to run apt-get update |
| 18:08.41 | stew | s/two/too/ |
| 18:08.43 | hark | jet30: that won't do.. you'll need the -dev package instead |
| 18:08.49 | HAHAHA | stew: i did the apt-get update |
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| 18:09.04 | jet30 | libx11-dev? |
| 18:09.06 | hark | jet30: libx11-dev IIRC |
| 18:09.07 | HAHAHA | ok stew: ok sec |
| 18:09.18 | jet30 | i have libx11-dev installed |
| 18:09.58 | HAHAHA | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5824 |
| 18:10.05 | stew | HAHAHA: do you really want to be running unstable? i would suspect you don't. its generally intended for debian developers, and is generally buggy |
| 18:10.09 | hark | well, that should be it for xlib |
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| 18:10.22 | HAHAHA | stew: how can i turn mysql back to stable? |
| 18:10.25 | stew | HAHAHA: no |
| 18:10.30 | stew | HAHAHA: not without reinstalling everything |
| 18:10.44 | jet30 | do i have to do something after installing libx11-dev tho? |
| 18:10.52 | HAHAHA | im ready to kill the current mysql to turn it back to stable version |
| 18:11.05 | Groundy | stew: can't you just remove the new version, and install the old version? (I assume you'll lose all your data) |
| 18:11.26 | stew | Groundy: maybe, but he'll still be running the libc6 from unstable |
| 18:11.43 | Groundy | stew: so 'upgrade' to the stable libc :-) |
| 18:11.45 | stew | Groundy: (and whatever else he upgraded to unstable) |
| 18:11.48 | stew | Groundy: how? |
| 18:11.49 | Groundy | yea |
| 18:12.08 | Groundy | you could force the version with `apt-get install libc=2.xxx` couldn't you? |
| 18:12.14 | stew | Groundy: no |
| 18:12.36 | HAHAHA | stew: you mean i have to reinstalling everythng? but how do i install mysql stable versioN? when i do apt-get install mysql-serer-5.0 it keep installing me the current one.. which is unstable after what you told me |
| 18:13.21 | stew | HAHAHA: yes, i mean insert an installer cd, and reinstall the entire system |
| 18:13.29 | jet30 | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 18:13.40 | stew | jet30: does config.log tell you what file it is looking for? |
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| 18:13.52 | HAHAHA | stew: oww it not possible to install bck the old mysql? o_o |
| 18:14.19 | stew | HAHAHA: you could try. its not something we'd support here |
| 18:14.27 | HAHAHA | is there a command for tat? |
| 18:14.29 | Groundy | how do I ask apt to list the packages that I have installed from a certain source, like unstable vs testing? apt-cache I assume, |
| 18:14.30 | jet30 | configure:29679: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 18:14.32 | jet30 | i found that line |
| 18:14.38 | jet30 | in config.log |
| 18:14.46 | stew | HAHAHA: you'd have to dump all of you data to a file with mysqldump, then edit the mysqldump output so that it will reimport into mysql 4.0/4.1 then install mysql 4.0/4.1 from stable then reimport the data |
| 18:15.01 | h3sp4wn | Groundy: aptitude search \~Atesting\~i |
| 18:15.07 | h3sp4wn | Groundy: (something like that) |
| 18:15.08 | jet30 | configure:29519: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c -lXt >&5 |
| 18:15.08 | jet30 | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXt |
| 18:15.19 | stew | Groundy: there is no way to tell, other than looking at the aptitude logs if you used aptitude |
| 18:15.28 | jet30 | configure: failed program was: /* confdefs.h. */ |
| 18:15.35 | jet30 | is that what im looking for? |
| 18:15.37 | Groundy | h3sp4wn: (ignoring the fact the apitutude is segfaulting atm) |
| 18:15.51 | stew | jet30: you probably need libxt-dev then |
| 18:16.32 | Groundy | apt-get is trying to install host, but it conflicts with bind9-host, I think is what's breaking it |
| 18:16.40 | jet30 | o |
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| 18:16.59 | ugly | Ysangkok: FYI, you can change the word boundary chars in xterm with the charClass option in .Xdefaults |
| 18:17.12 | h3sp4wn | Groundy: No idea other than the above (that I use and works for me) |
| 18:18.05 | Groundy | h3sp4wn: it worked till today, |
| 18:18.05 | Groundy | h3sp4wn: that's why I'm here, to try and fix the apt issue, |
| 18:18.17 | jet30 | checking for libz... configure: error: not found. Possibly configure picks up an outdated version installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system. |
| 18:18.22 | jet30 | libz? |
| 18:18.51 | jet30 | which libz is that libz, there's a million on synaptics |
| 18:18.53 | Ysangkok | ugly: Thanks. You can also do this in xfterm4 and gnome-terminal, you just have to open the Preferences window |
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| 18:19.37 | ugly | Ysangkok: yeah, I didn't want to install all the gnome libs, and I had other, personal preference issues with xfterm4 |
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| 18:20.22 | jet30 | nm i found it |
| 18:20.44 | Mooi | Hello, I installed a new graphics card (FX5200), and it simply outputs no video (even when booting). What can I do? It works with an S3 card. My AGP aperture is set to 128MB (the memory size). What can I do? |
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| 18:20.55 | jet30 | lol so much effor involved in installing a theme |
| 18:21.37 | abrotman | your theme has to be compiled ? |
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| 18:22.08 | jet30 | yeah |
| 18:22.10 | hark | engine maybe |
| 18:22.12 | jet30 | i dont know why =/ |
| 18:22.30 | jet30 | it's called |
| 18:22.34 | abrotman | must be a canadian thing ... |
| 18:22.36 | jet30 | cylonminimal for kde or something |
| 18:22.57 | jet30 | i got beryl working after like 20 hours of googling |
| 18:22.58 | jet30 | lol |
| 18:23.16 | jet30 | now i get some kick ass 3D cube desktop |
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| 18:24.55 | Groundy | heh, the nopaste image is broken |
| 18:24.55 | b0xii | Mooi, you sure it's seated properly in the agp slot? |
| 18:24.56 | wols | Mooi: was the card before a PCI one? |
| 18:24.56 | TolstoyInlove | how can i use encryption password file for pptp server (poptop)? |
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| 18:24.56 | amphi | jet30: you can have more than 4 workspaces with that thing? |
| 18:24.57 | jet30 | i think i have 1 |
| 18:24.57 | Groundy | TolstoyInlove: you'll need to use PAP then, which isn't encrypted on the wire, |
| 18:24.57 | stew | sure seems odd that you would need to actually compile anything to install a new theme |
| 18:24.57 | hark | make sure you've connected your monitor to it ;) |
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| 18:25.02 | Groundy | TolstoyInlove: If I remember correctly, you can't encrypt the comms and the password list at the same time |
| 18:25.21 | AlteKiet | Mooi: sounds like it is broken or just not installed right |
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| 18:25.41 | jet30 | lol i just fucked up my kciker |
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| 18:26.27 | TolstoyInlove | Groundy, i found that can patch the ppp to use smbpasswd. but i cant fine any howto to patch it !? |
| 18:26.52 | TolstoyInlove | Groundy, s/fine/find |
| 18:26.57 | Groundy | TolstoyInlove: yes, but then it will use PAP authentication right? which is cleartext |
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| 18:26.59 | hark | great.. yet another BSG fan |
| 18:27.42 | stew | hah, pptp has an option to do the authentication in plaintext? |
| 18:27.57 | dslayer_1 | TolstoyInlove: I think you can configure pptpd to use samba to auth. the users but, then, it would no longuer use the PAP file |
| 18:28.07 | mystic_jade | anyone here use the google earth in one debian 64 system? |
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| 18:28.11 | mystic_jade | ! |
| 18:28.35 | ignotus | hello, I would like to have inserted pendrives mounted automatically, what do I need to install? |
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| 18:29.04 | Groundy | erm, why would apt think that libc isn't installed? |
| 18:29.11 | Ysangkok | ignotus: autofs? |
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| 18:29.27 | hark | pmount, gnome-volume-manager, udev |
| 18:29.36 | TolstoyInlove | dslayer_1, im confused !! can i use smbpasswd and mpppe or chap togather?? |
| 18:29.47 | ignotus | Ysangkok: does it work with kernel 2.4? |
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| 18:30.33 | jet30 | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! what's missing now? |
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| 18:31.23 | dslayer_1 | TolstoyInlove: smbpasswd is to set the samba passwords... mppe is the encryption type... and chap, is the protocol used to negiciate the auth. |
| 18:31.41 | dslayer_1 | mixing many things here. |
| 18:31.50 | hark | !tell jet30 -about search |
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| 18:32.56 | abrotman | i'd rather find out why a silly theme needs to be compiled |
| 18:33.01 | TolstoyInlove | dslayer_1, i know. but Groundy tell me that must use smbpasswd with pap and cant use it with chap! |
| 18:33.16 | hark | abrotman: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=51993 |
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| 18:33.34 | Groundy | TolstoyInlove: If I remember correctly, |
| 18:33.49 | Groundy | TolstoyInlove: there might be a weird ms-chap patch for samba |
| 18:34.18 | dslayer_1 | TolstoyInlove: to my knowledge, smbpasswd is only to deal with samba accounts... unless you configure pptpd to talk to a samba service, pptpd does not care about smbpasswd |
| 18:34.23 | Ysangkok | ignotus: yes |
| 18:34.32 | abrotman | hark: too much work .. it's just a damn theme |
| 18:34.32 | ignotus | Ysangkok: thanks, it looks good |
| 18:34.58 | hark | it's not a theme, i think.. more like an engine which themes require |
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| 18:35.39 | dslayer_1 | TolstoyInLove: look at this page http://poptop.sourceforge.net/dox/replacing-windows-pptp-with-linux-howto.phtml |
| 18:36.46 | dslayer_1 | I've never done it myself but it seem you can use different auth. schemes using plugin and ntlm_auth-helper options |
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| 18:37.05 | Groundy | ppp: there also seems to be thins page: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ppp/pppdpatch.htm |
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| 18:38.02 | rhalff | hi what is the right location to change the PATH variable permenantly ? I've tried to change it in /etc/environment but that will give me a syntax error, when I do something like PATH="$PATH:/extra/bin" |
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| 18:39.12 | rhalff | on login it will say: -bash: id: command not found , -bash: [: : integer expression expected, which is probably the : in the PATH or something |
| 18:39.13 | abrotman | /etc/profile |
| 18:39.29 | rhalff | abrotman: ah, so what is /etc/environment for ? |
| 18:40.07 | rhalff | I thought /etc/environment was never touched by anyscript and /etc/profile is |
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| 18:41.25 | geo-rge | rhalff: it's a textual db of env settings |
| 18:41.43 | hark | wow, so KDE does require themes to be compiled |
| 18:41.47 | geo-rge | maybe it's readable by any shell because it's not a script |
| 18:41.57 | TolstoyInlove | dslayer_1, Groundy thanks for your help. |
| 18:42.00 | geo-rge | what compiler is used? |
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| 18:42.21 | dslayer_1 | TolstoyInlove: np |
| 18:42.23 | Groundy | apt-get segfault : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5825 :-( |
| 18:42.23 | rhalff | geo-rge: but not the correct place to set the PATH variable ? /etc/profile doesn't look that default, feels like a hack there :) |
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| 18:42.51 | hark | ~/.bash_profile? |
| 18:42.56 | apt | source ~/.bashrc |
| 18:43.07 | bkw | Anyone who knows why I had the msg http://pastebin.perl.se/217a70ed8f/ in my mailbox this morning, what generates that errors? |
| 18:43.28 | hark | heh |
| 18:43.36 | geo-rge | rhalff: I'm guessing that an admin would decide if he wants to support multiple shells and if so -not- put default PATH settings elsewhere |
| 18:44.06 | rhalff | I want systemwide |
| 18:44.17 | rgsteele | Anybody know what nfsstat's data represents wrt the getattr, setattr, lookup, etc.? Is it the number of blocks of data, or data in kb, or...? |
| 18:44.22 | helo | i messed up my firebird init script (/etc/init.d/firebird2)... how do i get it back? |
| 18:44.25 | hark | then, why not /etc/profile |
| 18:44.30 | geo-rge | you mean "Waiting for pastebin.perl.se"? |
| 18:44.35 | helo | i tried reinstalling firebird, but it is still dying |
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| 18:44.47 | rhalff | because there is /etc/environment, looks like the perfect place, ah well |
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| 18:44.56 | rgsteele | helo: apt-get remove -purge firebird2 |
| 18:44.57 | hark | !wikifaq rhalff dotfiles |
| 18:44.57 | dpkg | rhalff: check out http://wiki.debian.org/dotfiles or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 18:45.35 | loca|host | how to run an application into a display from console ? |
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| 18:46.01 | stew | rhalff: he means DotFiles not dotfiles |
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| 18:46.21 | rhalff | ah |
| 18:46.33 | simonrvn | apt: hush you |
| 18:46.37 | DawnLight | hello |
| 18:47.15 | geo-rge | loca|host: first set DISPLAY var |
| 18:47.16 | helo | rgsteele: that didn't do it |
| 18:47.21 | helo | (after i reinstalled them all) |
| 18:47.29 | bkw | hw, no Ideas what can have caused that problem? |
| 18:47.33 | \amethyst | helo: You used --purge? |
| 18:47.36 | helo | yes |
| 18:47.44 | geo-rge | everything else being equal you have to run the app as the same user the x server is run as |
| 18:47.47 | helo | apt-get remove --purge firebird2* |
| 18:47.58 | solemnwarning | If I install Debian using software RAID-1 over two SATA disks, can either be booted? |
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| 18:48.39 | geo-rge | wouldn't the raid have to come up before the kernel loads? |
| 18:49.09 | helo | ahh, got it now |
| 18:49.17 | DawnLight | i have a little problem here, i wasn't able to install grub or lilo during the installation and now i am using the windows which is on the first hard drive. a knoppix live cd here and i wanted to install grub on the first hard drive using it but i coulnd't do it. i would really appreciate some help |
| 18:49.35 | solemnwarning | geo-rge: The RAID driver is IN the kernel.... |
| 18:50.11 | \amethyst | helo: you could also unpack the .deb manually and extract the init script: ar x package.deb; tar xf data.tar.gz ./etc/init.d/firebird2; mv etc/init.d/firebird2 /etc/init.d/firebird2 |
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| 18:50.53 | geo-rge | not sure how you'd go about that without cutting off a separate /boot that might be on one drive but outside your raid partitions |
| 18:50.58 | perlmonkey | when packages can't be authenticated is that a cause for concern? |
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| 18:51.07 | rhalff | DawnLight: easiest way is to startup with knoppix and come back here again :) |
| 18:51.56 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 18:51.56 | cartesian1984 | perlmonkey: generally no. |
| 18:52.02 | geo-rge | perlmonkey: if you don't have the proper keys, grab them and apply them... after that, the answer is of course "maybe" |
| 18:52.05 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 18:52.57 | perlmonkey | how much risk is there to growing a (soft) raid and adding new drives? |
| 18:53.24 | DawnLight | rhalff, i couldn't get the internet settings right on knoppix. i am using an adsl modem here and for some reason the dhcp doesn't work. perhaps i'll try to fix that. |
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| 18:53.59 | geo-rge | I'm still running lvm from a single partition on a single drive (non-raid) |
| 18:54.19 | perlmonkey | im about to add 2 x 18.2GB drives to my array |
| 18:54.27 | geo-rge | scsi? |
| 18:54.28 | \amethyst | perlmonkey: That means that either you're missing the keys (/msg dpkg no public key), or you have unofficial repositories, which could theoretically contain trojans |
| 18:54.30 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 18:54.40 | geo-rge | ahh, that's why they're so small |
| 18:55.05 | perlmonkey | \amethyst: oh i see, i always use the debian.org repository so i guess i need the keys, where can i obtain those? |
| 18:55.15 | enouf | DawnLight: you want grub to chainload Xpoop? |
| 18:55.30 | perlmonkey | geo-rge: yeah, my budget doesn't stretch to large scsi drives heh |
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| 18:55.56 | geo-rge | I dunno, I saw some interesting deals on 73g pulls |
| 18:56.03 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 18:56.12 | DawnLight | yes, enouf |
| 18:56.20 | chronic1 | in general...is jigdo or bt faster? |
| 18:56.29 | geo-rge | I diddn't want to go for them because they were used |
| 18:56.35 | perlmonkey | im not sure growing my array is such a good idea hmm |
| 18:56.42 | perlmonkey | maybe I should just create a 2nd array |
| 18:56.52 | enouf | DawnLight: suggest you read through http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
| 18:57.09 | \amethyst | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 18:57.18 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 18:57.43 | hark | chronic1: you only need cd1 |
| 18:58.15 | geo-rge | jigdo lets you have updatable images |
| 18:58.35 | EmergeTW | wols, a p3 motherboard should support a 60 gig hd shouldnt it? |
| 18:58.36 | chronic1 | i just thought of usenet |
| 18:58.40 | xand | netinstall++ |
| 18:58.43 | chronic1 | that should be pretty quick for me |
| 18:58.55 | wols | EmergeTW: yes. the limit is at 137GB (the way hdd makers count GB) |
| 18:58.59 | hark | chronic1: also, why not just install the base netinst, then set up ndiswrapper (use ethernet for that temporarily) and then continue with whatever you want |
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| 18:59.06 | xand | wols: which is the proper way :) |
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| 18:59.34 | EmergeTW | wols, odd, when "detecting IDE primary master" it just sits there |
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| 18:59.37 | hark | xand: his wifi card is not detected iirc |
| 18:59.50 | xand | O.O |
| 18:59.57 | wols | EmergeTW: bios issue. 32GB limit? |
| 18:59.58 | chronic1 | hark.....sounds dumb...but i have no ethernet card, and my built in card is bunt-out (from what i remember) |
| 19:00.04 | wols | what chipset/BIOS? |
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| 19:00.28 | perlmonkey | having several arrays is better than having one big array? |
| 19:01.00 | EmergeTW | wols, W6BXA INTEL 440BX appears to be the bios |
| 19:01.07 | hark | chronic1: hmm, then just get cd1.. i think that should have it, but not sure |
| 19:01.08 | wols | hark: what IS his wifi card? |
| 19:01.29 | wols | 440BX is pretty good. could only be a bios thing |
| 19:02.10 | EmergeTW | wols, odd |
| 19:02.15 | hark | wols: er, yeah was commenting on the netinst.. |
| 19:02.36 | geo-rge | hw raid (maybe using a 3ware) is typically much better (faster, less corruption possible) than sw raid |
| 19:02.37 | hark | wols: was about chronic1 :) |
| 19:02.43 | perlmonkey | hmm where is the 686 version of kernel-image-2.6.18-4 for etch |
| 19:02.45 | jelly-home | EmergeTW: your HD might or might not have a jumper that caps it to 32GB |
| 19:02.59 | hark | perlmonkey: it's linux-image-* |
| 19:03.06 | perlmonkey | oh thanks |
| 19:03.38 | hark | damn you xand! |
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| 19:03.47 | xand | HARK! |
| 19:04.03 | perlmonkey | will udev mess with my raid? |
| 19:04.10 | perlmonkey | im using hotplug at present |
| 19:04.26 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: running sarge? |
| 19:04.29 | EmergeTW | wols, Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG |
| 19:04.30 | wols | udev will mess with everything (don't mind me, I'm just bitte).fucken thing |
| 19:04.43 | EmergeTW | wols, maybe if I try finding an bios update |
| 19:04.47 | perlmonkey | wols: hehe |
| 19:04.53 | wols | EmergeTW: that's not the BIOS version. pretty much all of them are award 4.51 |
| 19:05.11 | MicroChip32 | is there a config setting somewhere that would cause ssh and ftp logins to take several seconds before getting a login prompt ?? im getting the same thing on two freshly installed systems, on two different hosts, both with pings <60ms |
| 19:05.12 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: if you're trying to use a backported linux-image and it wants to install udev, try installing yaird first |
| 19:05.12 | hark | perlmonkey: so decided to upgrade to etch? |
| 19:05.19 | wols | EmergeTW: there is some "gibberish" on the bottom of the screen. that is what you need to find out if there is one |
| 19:05.34 | perlmonkey | my server is running 2.6.11-1 I guess I should upgrade to 2.6.18.4 but I'm nervous :-/ |
| 19:05.45 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: if you're going etch, udev seems to be the hotplug replacement |
| 19:06.02 | EmergeTW | wols, 02/23/1999-i440BX-W977TF-2A69KW0DC-A6 ? |
| 19:06.06 | perlmonkey | hark: that upgrade on my laptop failed, my laptop is trashed now I gotta reinstall from cd... I'm working on my server tho at moment |
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| 19:06.33 | wols | yes. that's your current BIOS version |
| 19:06.49 | hark | perlmonkey: ah, ok. well, good luck.. heh |
| 19:07.03 | perlmonkey | hark: and to make matters worse, my wifi card needs special driver/firmware |
| 19:07.09 | wols | wintech/edom is the maker of the board |
| 19:07.29 | enouf | DawnLight: and basically once booted into Knoppix .. (type knoppix 2 at boot prompt) .. drop to console (ctrl-alt-f1, if necessary, alt-f5 to get back to X); login as root (if necessary, which shouldn't be on knoppix); mkdir /mnt/point; mount -orw,uid=knoppix /dev/hdXX <--enter correct info of your / partition ; then mount --bind /dev /mnt/point ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/point ; chroot /dev/hdXX /mnt/point ; grub-install /dev/hdX (for MBR) |
| 19:07.29 | enouf | Remember to mount (remount) using uid=Knoppix) |
| 19:07.34 | perlmonkey | fucken bitte |
| 19:07.44 | hark | perlmonkey: yeah most of them do :) which one is it? |
| 19:07.58 | hark | enouf: use paragraphs ;) |
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| 19:08.23 | perlmonkey | its a D-Link 650+ which uses the ACX-100 driver ( and Texas Instruments firmware) |
| 19:08.35 | enouf | hark: heh .. it took me all this time to format it so it eouldn't flood .. bastages :-P |
| 19:08.45 | enouf | er wouldn't * |
| 19:08.50 | wols | perlmonkey: I have such a card too. works fine |
| 19:08.58 | wols | nit you need to compile your own driver |
| 19:09.02 | wols | *but |
| 19:09.03 | hark | perlmonkey: acx100-source is in debian |
| 19:09.16 | wols | hark: perlmonkey how old? |
| 19:09.20 | perlmonkey | cool, I had it working fine before, well reasonably well... crashes occasionally, but now I gotta do a refresh installation eh |
| 19:09.30 | perlmonkey | it needs the drivers and firmware |
| 19:09.33 | hark | perlmonkey: all you'd need should be the firmware |
| 19:09.39 | perlmonkey | oh |
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| 19:09.52 | wols | hark: quite old indedd |
| 19:09.58 | perlmonkey | i made a backup luckily so I guess I can burn a cd and swap over cd's during install? |
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| 19:10.11 | hark | !info acx100-source etch |
| 19:10.15 | dpkg | acx100-source: (ACX100/ACX111 wireless network drivers source), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 20060521-3 (etch), Packaged size: 216 kB, Installed size: 288 kB |
| 19:10.38 | wols | hark: in debian it's frm last may while the project itself has drivers from january. that's 7 months. in a fast moving driver (many updates last year) |
| 19:10.40 | perlmonkey | hark: thanks, its not on my install cd tho, i burned the xcfe cd image earlier |
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| 19:11.10 | hark | wols: comiling's the right then? |
| 19:11.35 | hark | ^way |
| 19:12.00 | wols | hark: dunno if it's "right". I chose that way however |
| 19:12.08 | wols | but then. I run it on 2.6.20.1 too |
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| 19:12.26 | perlmonkey | if you dont see me for several days after the reboot it prolly means i fuxed my server and my laptop in same day |
| 19:12.27 | \amethyst | hark: Shouldn't be too hard to use the current source with the existing debian package, then use module-assistant |
| 19:12.34 | perlmonkey | heh |
| 19:12.38 | wols | perlmonkey: you can keep your old krenel too... |
| 19:12.44 | geo-rge | perlmonkey: I've done that before :) but note... I never would if a mistake would mean a 300 mile car trip |
| 19:12.44 | sparrw | Is the WD MyBook 320GB Premium Edition external hard drive compatible with linux? I have seen reviews of similar models that are, but nothing specific to this model, and I cannot get it to work in linux. My windows box had to install drivers and reboot to see it, which seems very fishy. |
| 19:12.57 | hark | perlmonkey: you have an old testing or sid install anyway.. |
| 19:13.03 | perlmonkey | wols: i can go back on grub and load the older kernel? but the new one changed a lot of shit, like hotplug is gone etc |
| 19:13.09 | wols | sparrw: what windows version? |
| 19:13.22 | wols | perlmonkey: it should work fine imho |
| 19:13.30 | perlmonkey | geo-rge: :) |
| 19:13.33 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 19:13.45 | sparrw | wols: xp sp2 |
| 19:13.53 | geo-rge | perlmonkey: the update-grub command looks at all installed kernels, and makes a boot stanza for it separately |
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| 19:14.06 | geo-rge | or is it grub-update |
| 19:14.10 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 19:14.19 | wols | !teöö sparrw about usb-storage |
| 19:14.21 | perlmonkey | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 19:14.57 | perlmonkey | 2.4.27-2 --> 2.6.11-1 --> 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:15.01 | perlmonkey | thats how it looks now |
| 19:15.13 | sparrw | wols: i dont believe it is usb-storage, hence the question |
| 19:15.27 | EmergeTW | wols, I am unable to find any specs or bios updates for the motherboard. Any suggestions on where I might be able to find them? or am I probably sol on that stuff? |
| 19:15.30 | geo-rge | perlmonkey: if savedefault is in the right place, then any of the stanzas will save themselves as default boot when that one boots |
| 19:15.51 | wols | EmergeTW: probably SOL sry |
| 19:15.54 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 19:16.02 | geo-rge | you have to change one other thing to make that work |
| 19:16.18 | wols | sparrw: can you see anything when ypu plug it in? |
| 19:16.21 | vin` | default saved |
| 19:16.37 | perlmonkey | im ready to attempt a reboot |
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| 19:17.38 | geo-rge | perlmonkey: you'll notice default somenumber in the menu.lst |
| 19:17.49 | geo-rge | if you replace that with default saved |
| 19:18.02 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 19:18.16 | geo-rge | then it will boot the last saved boot by default |
| 19:18.36 | perlmonkey | savedefault |
| 19:18.52 | geo-rge | does your remote have a console? |
| 19:18.54 | perlmonkey | its on all my kernel entries on grub lst |
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| 19:19.02 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 19:19.27 | geo-rge | ok, so that's the first thing, now you need to look at the line matching ^default |
| 19:20.05 | perlmonkey | default 0 |
| 19:20.21 | geo-rge | ok, so that will not boot the last saved one |
| 19:20.24 | dos000 | i ran dpkg-reconfigure localeconf and made sure to select en_US . now wehn i try to download pkgs i am getting spanish logs ala Desempaquetando apache2-mpm-prefork (de .../apache2-mpm-prefork_2.0.54-5sarge1_i386.deb) ... |
| 19:20.24 | geo-rge | do you want that? |
| 19:20.27 | \amethyst | sparrw: I have seen reports on the web of them working under Linux |
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| 19:20.53 | perlmonkey | i want to boot 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:21.01 | wintix | !tell dos000 about locales |
| 19:21.24 | geo-rge | ok, is that the first one listed? also... do you want to boot the last booted one by default? |
| 19:21.26 | \amethyst | sparrw: But I have also seen reports of people (mostly with older kernels, I think) for whom they only show up as sg devices (and are hence not mountable) |
| 19:21.33 | perlmonkey | geo-rge: it is |
| 19:21.54 | geo-rge | so default 0 will work... until you install a newer one :) |
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| 19:22.05 | perlmonkey | ok cool, lets try it |
| 19:22.10 | EmergeTW | wols, threw a 20g in there and fired right up. I think you were right about the 32g max, anyway thanks for the help |
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| 19:22.39 | perlmonkey | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 19:22.50 | geo-rge | are the server guys around in case the server falls on some random kittycat on boot? |
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| 19:23.58 | jelly-home | ve don't need no steenkin server guys |
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| 19:24.49 | geo-rge | ZZZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAPPPPPPPPPP! |
| 19:24.52 | geo-rge | oops... |
| 19:24.57 | David_BE | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.57 | David_BE | Local control only allowed |
| 19:24.57 | David_BE | GUI RPC bind failed: -1 |
| 19:25.06 | David_BE | how can i solve this |
| 19:25.28 | dkr | probably by looking at /usr/share/doc/boinc/README* |
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| 19:29.12 | omg0_ | stew: |
| 19:30.45 | robin_sz | mmmmm .. its: |
| 19:30.49 | robin_sz | bhaji time! |
| 19:31.06 | David_BE | thx, i got a helpfull link in README |
| 19:31.19 | David_BE | seems to work now |
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| 19:31.31 | omg0_ | I had to leave earlier and did not see if you had responded to my question about not being able to mount / to /target as you had suggested. I got the error that the file or directory does not exist |
| 19:32.03 | dos000 | wintix: thanks |
| 19:32.30 | robin_sz | ummm .. /target? I think he meant /<target> .... |
| 19:32.40 | omg0_ | I am booting from the network boot CDROM and at the (ash) shell |
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| 19:32.50 | robin_sz | as in "replace the word target with some direcotry you want yo mount it on" |
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| 19:33.56 | omg0_ | ah. |
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| 19:34.25 | omg0_ | robin. Is this supposed to be a tempory move? |
| 19:34.29 | robin_sz | obviousy, there would never actually be a /target directory |
| 19:34.39 | jelly-home | robin_sz: the directory is actually called /target |
| 19:34.47 | robin_sz | really? |
| 19:34.53 | jelly-home | robin_sz: yup |
| 19:34.59 | robin_sz | whayt kinda fucked up version of the file system is that? |
| 19:35.04 | omg0_ | thank you jelly |
| 19:35.10 | omg0_ | its the cdrom boot |
| 19:35.14 | AlteKiet | just a question: in http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles is this line at the bottom: [ x"$TERM" = x"wy30" ] && stty erase ^h |
| 19:35.16 | jelly-home | robin_sz: that's the mountpoint for installation root |
| 19:35.22 | AlteKiet | what are those two 'x' doing there? |
| 19:35.31 | omg0_ | I guess they move it to its rightful place during the move |
| 19:35.46 | robin_sz | jelly, ok, I'l shut up then :) |
| 19:35.48 | omg0_ | I gues after the partitioning and formatting |
| 19:36.55 | robin_sz | jelly-home, is there some good reason why they didnt choose /mnt/target ??? |
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| 19:37.15 | geo-rge | you can mount on any dir |
| 19:37.23 | geo-rge | for example... /mymount |
| 19:37.28 | geo-rge | or /home |
| 19:37.43 | robin_sz | well, /home would be ok |
| 19:37.46 | solemnwarning | Or /noonecaresitsthedamminstaller! |
| 19:37.51 | robin_sz | but /mymount would be lunacy |
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| 19:38.12 | geo-rge | well of course you'd change that name to whatever you want |
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| 19:38.27 | Irrumato1 | does anyone know if there's a kicker calendar applet with korganizer integration? |
| 19:38.28 | \amethyst | AlteKiet: Some older versions of sh and/or the [ command don't handle empty strings correctly. This shouldn't be an issue on Debian |
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| 19:38.30 | cables | Where can I check if a package is in the repos, and if so, which repo it's in? |
| 19:38.35 | Cope | On one machine, / is 755 root:root; /root is 755 root:root; and a normal user can touch /root/foo on one machine; on another machine, the setup seems identical, but a normal user gets pernission denied? what am I missing? |
| 19:38.36 | robin_sz | the very idea of creating random entires in / just brimgs me out in hives |
| 19:38.39 | cables | I'm not running debian right now, so I can't just check. |
| 19:38.44 | geo-rge | look at packages.debian.org |
| 19:38.52 | WorldBFree | how do i edit grub from the grub boot menu that starts up at my computer? |
| 19:38.53 | cables | geo-rge, thanks |
| 19:39.10 | cables | Is debhelper an infobot? |
| 19:39.13 | AlteKiet | \amethyst: thanks, that had to be it, of course |
| 19:39.17 | wols | WorldBFree: press "e" |
| 19:39.24 | geo-rge | debhelper what are you |
| 19:39.28 | omg0_ | that's a bummer. I was so looking forward to /target |
| 19:39.34 | cables | It looks like an infobot-ish name |
| 19:39.39 | \amethyst | AlteKiet: it would be necessary if $TERM weren't quoted, but then that would break on embedded spaces |
| 19:39.47 | wols | debhelper: who are you? |
| 19:39.49 | omg0_ | but ls on / does not yield any target or mnt |
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| 19:39.58 | geo-rge | well it's also the name of a package maker/helper |
| 19:39.59 | abrotman | cables: packages.debian.org |
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| 19:40.05 | cables | abrotman, thank |
| 19:40.06 | cables | *s |
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| 19:40.16 | damkor | hi there |
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| 19:40.19 | abrotman | !tell Peikko_ about away |
| 19:40.19 | geo-rge | abrotman: slow slow :) |
| 19:40.30 | xand | Peikko_: turn that off at once :O |
| 19:40.32 | omg0_ | I think I am getting somewhere |
| 19:40.32 | abrotman | geo-rge: he didn't see you say it! |
| 19:40.36 | damkor | y wacom volito isn't working on debian etch with driver version ~ |
| 19:40.43 | damkor | 0.7.4 |
| 19:40.43 | Peikko_ | sorry |
| 19:40.48 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:40.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:40.54 | abrotman | ow! |
| 19:40.55 | geo-rge | he didn't? hmm |
| 19:40.57 | omg0_ | I cannot su or sudo but when I do / I get permission denied |
| 19:40.58 | xand | :( |
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| 19:41.25 | damkor | can anyone help me with this? |
| 19:41.27 | geo-rge | how do you do a / |
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| 19:41.37 | robin_sz | omg0_, what do you mean by "do /" ? |
| 19:41.38 | geo-rge | what do you do when you do |
| 19:41.47 | cables | is apt-get installed by default on debian? And also, I see gnome/brasero in the packages.debian.org, can that be installed with "apt-get install brasero"? |
| 19:41.55 | geo-rge | to do the undoable doo |
| 19:41.56 | cables | (on testing and unstable distros) |
| 19:42.06 | mtrcn | hello, I installed Mepis |
| 19:42.10 | mtrcn | and I want to install my webcam |
| 19:42.15 | robin_sz | omg0_, try #cd; ls -l; |
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| 19:42.27 | omg0_ | just by typing "/" at the command prompt I get that response |
| 19:42.33 | asg | mtrcn: please ask #mepis |
| 19:42.35 | robin_sz | mtrcn, try asking on #Mepis maybe? |
| 19:42.43 | robin_sz | omg0_, well, yeah you would |
| 19:42.44 | mtrcn | I found an instruction (http://coffee3.org/2007/02/02/syntek-webcam-linux-05e10501/), but I dont know how to do? |
| 19:42.52 | geo-rge | omg0_: to find out why... info bash, and you're looking for... |
| 19:42.56 | xand | mtrcn: this is #debian... note the name |
| 19:43.01 | robin_sz | omg0_, / is not the name of an executable, so understandably, it cant execute it |
| 19:43.02 | cables | mtrcn, if no one there can help you, try #ubuntu... it's really big, and Mepis is closer to Ubuntu than to Debian |
| 19:43.17 | cables | mtrcn, but they'll probably yell at you there too |
| 19:43.22 | mtrcn | Nobody answered in Mepis |
| 19:43.38 | robin_sz | mtrcn, well try Ubuntu then ... |
| 19:43.43 | mtrcn | ok |
| 19:43.43 | asg | mtrcn: perhaps you should choose a better supported distribution then |
| 19:43.45 | mtrcn | thanks |
| 19:43.48 | cables | So I searched for a package on packages.debian.org, and I found gnome/brasero. Can this be installed with a straight "apt-get install brasero"? |
| 19:43.58 | xand | mtrcn: switch to debian and you can ask here |
| 19:43.59 | geo-rge | it's possible no one will answer in #flowerpower :) |
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| 19:44.22 | jelly-home | robin_sz: it's been /target since at least woody |
| 19:44.35 | geo-rge | maybe no one will answer in #timeforachickensandwich |
| 19:44.49 | geo-rge | before woody too |
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| 19:44.53 | robin_sz | jelly-home, fair enough ... just weird to see random stuff in / thats all |
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| 19:45.13 | robin_sz | jelly-home, /mnt/target would have been my choice, but still, there you go |
| 19:45.15 | geo-rge | where else you gonna put it? :) |
| 19:45.18 | jelly-home | robin_sz: eh, it's an installation disk, not a fhs compliant system |
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| 19:45.43 | geo-rge | it only exists in ram anyway |
| 19:45.47 | robin_sz | jelly-home, thats nto exactly an excuse for wheel reinventying is it? |
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| 19:46.00 | robin_sz | whatever, it is how it is ... |
| 19:46.08 | geo-rge | it is! |
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| 19:46.29 | robin_sz | so, now I know a little mroe about it :) |
| 19:46.57 | sparrw | \amethyst: mine shows up as a sd device. |
| 19:47.05 | jelly-home | robin_sz: there's no wheel in Debian :-) |
| 19:47.08 | sparrw | wols: nothing, not even on dmesg, until i try to write to it |
| 19:47.17 | geo-rge | haven't succeeded yet but made progress |
| 19:47.32 | robin_sz | jelly-home, there are no fish under the ice either. |
| 19:47.41 | jelly-home | lies! |
| 19:48.06 | xand | there are cakes on the moon |
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| 19:48.17 | abrotman | cake? |
| 19:48.18 | jelly-home | cheesecake? |
| 19:48.21 | omg0_ | why is it not I think I have to run the installer a step further because it does not have my harddrive listed in dev |
| 19:48.26 | geo-rge | fake cake |
| 19:48.26 | xand | ;o |
| 19:48.29 | \amethyst | sparrw: so is there a problem? |
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| 19:48.51 | omg0_ | I don't think it has detected the devices yet |
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| 19:49.42 | \amethyst | shake n stake? Is that a movie about epileptic vampires? |
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| 19:49.59 | asg | \amethyst: a place to get crappy food |
| 19:50.02 | geo-rge | movie? |
| 19:50.20 | sparrw | \amethyst: yes. i cant mount it, nor "file -s" the device, nor fdisk it. mkfs spits out errors but continues to run while dmesg throws many many errors. the device's existence doesnt show up on dmesg when i plug it in |
| 19:50.44 | \amethyst | What errors do mkfs give? |
| 19:50.54 | wols | sparrw: it hast to show up in dmesg or it will not work of course |
| 19:51.42 | geo-rge | where are the bash info files |
| 19:51.59 | sparrw | wols: of course. |
| 19:52.13 | sparrw | Warning: could not read block 0: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read |
| 19:52.13 | sparrw | Warning: could not erase sector 0: Attempt to write block from filesystem resulted in short write |
| 19:52.19 | \amethyst | asg: wonder if that's a trademark infringement on Steak & Shake |
| 19:52.29 | geo-rge | ugh |
| 19:52.30 | sparrw | mkfs also gives the predictable prompt about formatting a whole device instead of apartition |
| 19:52.39 | robin_sz | jelly-home, http://www.pastebin.ca/410985 |
| 19:52.59 | asg | \amethyst: I think the TM is Steak-n-Shake |
| 19:53.07 | geo-rge | aparition? |
| 19:53.08 | sparrw | wols: so... ? |
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| 19:53.58 | neobsd | hi |
| 19:54.10 | jelly-home | robin_sz: ^_^ |
| 19:54.18 | wols | sparrw: ask WD. they built that POS |
| 19:54.24 | neobsd | please how i can install the headers of kernel in debian etch ? |
| 19:54.26 | neobsd | . |
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| 19:55.30 | jelly-home | neobsd: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:55.30 | geo-rge | for the kernel you're now running? |
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| 19:55.46 | neobsd | and ....whit apt ?? |
| 19:55.56 | jelly-home | neobsd: replace aptitude with apt-get |
| 19:56.04 | sparrw | wols: they dont support *nix |
| 19:56.10 | neobsd | my kernel is 2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 19:56.21 | xand | that's ANCIENT |
| 19:56.21 | neobsd | ok |
| 19:56.28 | jelly-home | neobsd: you'll be wanting to upgrade the kernel too |
| 19:56.29 | \amethyst | sparrw: can you partition it? |
| 19:56.44 | xand | neobsd: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 19:56.53 | sparrw | \amethyst: no. {c}fdisk cant read it |
| 19:56.59 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 19:57.15 | neobsd | # apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 19:57.22 | neobsd | E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 19:57.33 | geo-rge | sparrw: that's... bad... you might be looking at replacing the drive |
| 19:57.42 | sparrw | geo-rge: with a different brand |
| 19:57.52 | xand | neobsd: You might want 2.6.18-a kernel and headers |
| 19:58.05 | sparrw | the advent of winmodems and winsoundcards changed my buying habits for those... winharddrives will do the same |
| 19:58.05 | \amethyst | There are brands out there that advertise linux support |
| 19:58.23 | xand | wtf is a "windharddrive"? |
| 19:58.37 | neobsd | i need install vbox |
| 19:58.40 | geo-rge | stinky? |
| 19:59.01 | wols | xand: a external harddisk that needs windows to work |
| 19:59.02 | \amethyst | sparrw: what version is your kernel? |
| 19:59.10 | neobsd | and log its Makefile:73: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again.. Stop. |
| 19:59.10 | xand | wols: sounds shit |
| 19:59.19 | wols | it's a WD POS that to plug into USB and it won't be recongized apparently |
| 19:59.19 | sparrw | xand: a hard drive that requires windows-specific drivers to function. see "winmodem" |
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| 19:59.31 | sparrw | \amethyst: 2.6.20 |
| 19:59.32 | geo-rge | do they exist? |
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| 19:59.50 | wad | I'm confused. There's a file in my /etc/cron.d that seems to do nothing. I added this line to it: 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /bin/date | /usr/bin/mail eric |
| 19:59.53 | xand | sparrw: that's completely different |
| 19:59.59 | sparrw | xand: in what way? |
| 20:00.03 | xand | winmodems do part of the work in software instead of hardware |
| 20:00.08 | xand | a harddisk can't do that! |
| 20:00.08 | sparrw | xand: as does this hard drive |
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| 20:00.14 | neobsd | i've 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 20:00.15 | neobsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.18 | sparrw | sure it can |
| 20:00.22 | xand | orly, like what? |
| 20:00.23 | neobsd | and i need the headers |
| 20:00.24 | jelly-home | wad: forgot the used column? |
| 20:00.25 | wad | But I don't get any mail from it. "date | mail eric" works just fine. |
| 20:00.27 | neobsd | how make it ? |
| 20:00.31 | wad | "used"? |
| 20:00.32 | neobsd | please |
| 20:00.34 | sparrw | like, to use a real example, network storage devices |
| 20:00.36 | jelly-home | wad: sorry, user* |
| 20:00.36 | neobsd | can you help me ? |
| 20:00.38 | xand | neobsd: update to -4 and get the newer headers |
| 20:00.42 | robin_sz | sparrw, do you have a hammer? |
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| 20:00.46 | wad | jelly-home, ah, let me check. |
| 20:00.47 | stew | wad: the files in /etc/cron.d are formatted differently, you need to put the user to execute the command before the command (and after the time) |
| 20:00.49 | sparrw | robin_sz: a very heavy one :) |
| 20:00.54 | neobsd | i ve a debian etch |
| 20:00.57 | wad | Aha! |
| 20:00.59 | wad | Thanks! |
| 20:01.04 | robin_sz | sparrw, well, you know what to do |
| 20:01.13 | stew | wad: you want */5 * * * * eric /bin/date | /usr/bin/mail eric |
| 20:01.22 | wad | ok |
| 20:01.23 | wad | thanks |
| 20:01.24 | neobsd | xand : how make it please ? |
| 20:01.26 | neobsd | . |
| 20:01.35 | sparrw | any hardware that installs drivers in windows and requires a reboot tends towards not working in linux |
| 20:01.39 | stew | wad: and the filename must be compliant with the restrictions in "man run-parts" |
| 20:01.40 | geo-rge | install the package |
| 20:01.57 | xand | apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 && apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:02.04 | stew | wad: (the most commonly failed requirement being that it must not have a . in the name) |
| 20:02.05 | robin_sz | sparrw, remind me the name of this thing, so I can remember not to buy one |
| 20:02.26 | wad | stew: I fully qualified the files in the line. |
| 20:02.35 | xand | sparrw: well you say that... my phone needs drivers to work a removable harddisk in windows but it Just Works in linux :P |
| 20:02.36 | geo-rge | if your kernel came from a package from *.debian.org, there is a headers package that goes with it |
| 20:02.37 | wad | Oh.... no .? Aha! |
| 20:02.41 | neobsd | I try :/usr# apt-get install linux-headers |
| 20:02.44 | sparrw | robin_sz: mybook |
| 20:02.51 | neobsd | and have some headers ..... |
| 20:02.52 | \amethyst | sparrw: what exactly was the error message from cfdisk ? |
| 20:02.57 | neobsd | You should explicitly select one to install. |
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| 20:03.04 | neobsd | E: Package linux-headers has no installation candidate |
| 20:03.06 | neobsd | . |
| 20:03.07 | torrrr | what webbrowser would you recomend? |
| 20:03.07 | sparrw | \amethyst: FATAL ERROR: Cannot read disk drive |
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| 20:03.17 | \amethyst | well, that's real helpful of them :) |
| 20:03.18 | xand | neobsd: I told you what to do... pay attention |
| 20:03.27 | geo-rge | neobsd: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 20:03.27 | wols | neobsd: apt-cache search linux-header |
| 20:03.29 | xand | (you might want to reboot after doing it) |
| 20:03.41 | stew | wad: i mean the name of the file in /etc/cron.d for instance if you named it /etc/cron.d/my.script it would not work |
| 20:03.42 | jelly-home | geo-rge: he has an old etch kernel kernel package, needs to upgrade first |
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| 20:03.50 | neobsd | ok |
| 20:03.50 | waKKu | hi folks.. |
| 20:03.54 | geo-rge | oh he does? |
| 20:04.02 | neobsd | i see some linux-headers |
| 20:04.06 | waKKu | how can i do to blacklist a package for an upgrade ? |
| 20:04.08 | neobsd | linux-headers-2.6-486 - Header files for Linux 2.6 on x86 |
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| 20:04.10 | geo-rge | look at em :) |
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| 20:04.15 | neobsd | linux-headers-2.6-686-bigmem - Header files for Linux 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 20:04.16 | asg | waKKu: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 20:04.23 | neobsd | linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem - Header files for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 20:04.25 | neobsd | etc etc |
| 20:04.25 | neobsd | . |
| 20:04.31 | wols | neobsd: won't work until you upgrade your kernel |
| 20:04.38 | jelly-home | neobsd: install linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-headers-2.6-686, that should be fine |
| 20:04.50 | asg | waKKu: sorry, wrong factoid. disregard |
| 20:04.51 | asg | waKKu: /msg dpkg hold |
| 20:04.55 | neobsd | why |
| 20:04.55 | waKKu | hehe |
| 20:05.11 | neobsd | can you expliam me? |
| 20:05.22 | wols | waKKu: /msg dpkg hold |
| 20:05.30 | waKKu | ok.. i'm reading |
| 20:05.32 | waKKu | and testing |
| 20:05.41 | \amethyst | neobsd: those depend on the latest version for Linux 2.6 on a 686 without bigmem (>4GB) support |
| 20:05.53 | jelly-home | neobsd: because a) those are metapackages that always depend on the newest version, and b) you currently have a version of the kernel from an old install image which doesn't exist in etch any more |
| 20:05.56 | neobsd | ok ... |
| 20:05.57 | wad | Cool, my cron is working. |
| 20:06.01 | wad | Thanks, guys. |
| 20:06.03 | waKKu | ps: truncated message |
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| 20:08.03 | waKKu | ok.. working ;) |
| 20:08.07 | waKKu | thanks a lot |
| 20:08.14 | neobsd | ok |
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| 20:08.58 | geo-rge | neobsd: you don't build your own kernels yourself, do you? |
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| 20:09.27 | neobsd | so...i need install a new kernel image whit his headers ?? ... |
| 20:09.28 | neobsd | . |
| 20:10.01 | jelly-home | neobsd: correct |
| 20:10.06 | neobsd | i not yet compile a kernel |
| 20:10.08 | neobsd | ummmmm |
| 20:10.20 | neobsd | i understand ... |
| 20:10.23 | geo-rge | ok (not saying you need to or anything :) |
| 20:10.29 | mfrisch | neobsd: what do you need a custom for? |
| 20:10.38 | neobsd | fot vbox |
| 20:10.42 | geo-rge | he probably doesn't, just modules |
| 20:11.06 | neobsd | http://www.virtualbox.org/ |
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| 20:11.24 | mfrisch | neobsd: whats that. oh you need modules. |
| 20:11.45 | geo-rge | hence the headers :) |
| 20:12.07 | mfrisch | really I don't think you "need" anything |
| 20:12.14 | EmergeTW | I do have to say... this debian install is alot faster than my gentoo installs |
| 20:12.14 | geo-rge | well |
| 20:12.18 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 20:12.20 | jangell_ | My company requires that I add a legal disclaimer on outgoing e-mail. I lost the fight and have to implement it. Any information on how I would do this with exim4 |
| 20:12.21 | wols | mfrisch: I need food and sleep. lots of it |
| 20:12.24 | neobsd | how compile whit my kernel whit the headers ....correctly ? |
| 20:12.24 | geo-rge | so need is a strong word |
| 20:12.37 | wols | I'd say sex too but experience shows me it's not really necessary... |
| 20:12.40 | mfrisch | wols: quit irc 24/7 |
| 20:13.45 | neobsd | 192:/usr# cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:13.51 | neobsd | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz |
| 20:14.01 | neobsd | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc up pni monitor ds_cpl cid cx16 xtpr lahf_lm |
| 20:14.01 | EmergeTW | jangell_, print it on a sheet of paper and tape it to the side of your monitor? then type it up every time? |
| 20:14.03 | jelly-home | neobsd: don't paste here |
| 20:14.18 | jelly-home | !tell neobsd about paster |
| 20:14.23 | mfrisch | neobsd: what do you want to do with virtual box |
| 20:14.27 | streuner_ | wols: good night! |
| 20:14.31 | th0ger | Hi, is it possibly to set file creation perms (umask) for a single proces? |
| 20:14.35 | neobsd | its parameters are important to apt-get install linux-headers-XXXXXXXXX ? |
| 20:14.38 | jangell_ | EmergeTW, As much as I'd like to make the employees that find this nessisary do that-- I'd be needing a new job. |
| 20:14.55 | geo-rge | last nite I was in a club talking to these two beautiful young women... they were friends and I got them to get up and stand next to each other so I could compare them :) |
| 20:14.58 | neobsd | mfrish : i need install vbox on debian ethc |
| 20:14.59 | EmergeTW | jangell_, heh |
| 20:15.13 | wad | Well, now I can see an error in my cron! But I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Here's the line: 20 14 * * * www-data [ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -config=frankfrazetta.org -update ] |
| 20:15.17 | wad | And here's the error: /bin/sh: line 0: [: -config=frankfrazetta.org: binary operator expected |
| 20:15.21 | wols | streuner_: can't go to bed need to eat first |
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| 20:15.28 | wad | What am I doing wrong? |
| 20:15.43 | streuner_ | wols: good appetit then :-) |
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| 20:16.19 | jelly-home | mfrisch: the software uses its own out of tree kernel module |
| 20:16.29 | zinx | wad: why are you using [? |
| 20:16.38 | mfrisch | neobsd: ok. I figured that out for my self WHY for what |
| 20:16.47 | jelly-home | wad: what are [ ] supposed to do? |
| 20:16.50 | wad | zinx, because it looks like the line that the package put in. |
| 20:16.57 | EmergeTW | jangell_, I'd probably have them do it on their clients, just add it to their signature. If any of them digitally sign their emails and you try to tack on a disclaimer it will back the digital signature |
| 20:16.58 | wad | jelly-home, I dunno. I'll take 'em out. |
| 20:17.22 | mfrisch | jelly-home: I thought it was like qemu it didn't need them....I could be wrong |
| 20:17.38 | wad | Thanks for the hint, guys! Maybe this will fix it. |
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| 20:18.02 | jelly-home | mfrisch: qemu needs kqemu for speed, doesn't it? |
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| 20:18.48 | jangell_ | EmergeTW, I've thought about that. But they are insistant about doing it forced at the server level. We essentially have an Exchange server that sends e-mail through our exim server. I used to add it on at the Exchange level but the company that provided the free software to do it--now charges $500. Worst case I'll end up doing that again. I was just hoping there would be a way to do it with exim. |
| 20:18.49 | EmergeTW | jangell_, *break the digital signature |
| 20:18.50 | mfrisch | jelly-home: yeah. |
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| 20:19.10 | omg0_ | My filesystem is not recognized by the network boot cdrom until I make changes to in in the partition section. It is then that they mount it to target |
| 20:19.18 | mfrisch | jelly-home: now xen..thats another story |
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| 20:20.15 | drwahl | Has anyone here had any experience with Intel video cards in linux? primarly getting 3D support |
| 20:20.25 | omg0_ | does anyone know a work around. I am afraid that this might cause me to loose info if I tough the partition |
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| 20:21.19 | neobsd | i try p# apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:21.23 | geo-rge | drwahl: give details... don't be shy, just do it... detailed, informative, concise, complete, on-topic |
| 20:21.28 | neobsd | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y |
| 20:21.37 | neobsd | Get:1 http://ftp.br.debian.org testing/main linux-headers-2.6.18-4 2.6.18.dfsg.1-11 [3162kB] |
| 20:21.50 | neobsd | 18% [1 linux-headers-2.6.18-4 671287/3162kB 21%] ............. |
| 20:21.53 | omg0_ | if I use the partition software to just say change it to ext3 will I lose my aps on it? |
| 20:21.56 | jelly-home | mfrisch: this vbox thing looks like a bundled qemu + xrdp + stuff |
| 20:22.05 | EmergeTW | jangell_, Take a look at this http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-19990712/013425.html |
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| 20:22.12 | neobsd | but i need the kernel image too ??? |
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| 20:22.38 | jangell_ | Could you send that again? I accdentitaly left the channel. |
| 20:22.38 | mfrisch | neobsd: answer my ? |
| 20:22.57 | mfrisch | jelly-home: I think its a rewrite. |
| 20:23.15 | jelly-home | mfrisch: I mean there's something very much like qemu source in there. "dyngen.c", "dyngen-exec.c" ... |
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| 20:23.26 | hark | neobsd: shouldn't you already have the kernel image? |
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| 20:23.54 | neobsd | i don't know |
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| 20:24.06 | EmergeTW | jangell_, actually this is better http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/FAQ/Modifying_message_bodies/Q1601 |
| 20:24.07 | neobsd | how i can know it ? |
| 20:24.17 | neobsd | please. ... |
| 20:24.17 | mfrisch | jelly-home: thats weird. I wonder what the kernel mods are for then? |
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| 20:24.26 | hark | really.. |
| 20:24.46 | neobsd | .... |
| 20:24.51 | hark | neobsd: uname -r |
| 20:24.53 | jelly-home | mfrisch: that's only one directory though... they might be using only parts of qemu |
| 20:24.58 | EmergeTW | jangell_, maybe some of that will make them change their tune, heh |
| 20:25.06 | neobsd | 2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 20:25.23 | jangell_ | EmergeTW, Most likely going to just do it at the exchange level. The software is $76 |
| 20:25.55 | mfrisch | jelly-home: I smell a lawsuit ;-) |
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| 20:25.56 | neobsd | so i installing 19% [1 linux-headers-2.6.18-4 687347/3162kB 21%] |
| 20:25.56 | neobsd | . |
| 20:25.56 | jelly-home | neobsd: yes, you need the linux-image-* with the same version as the headers |
| 20:26.02 | neobsd | how install it ? |
| 20:26.18 | jelly-home | mfrisch: um, why? Their code is under the same licence, it seems |
| 20:26.24 | neobsd | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4 ???? |
| 20:26.31 | neobsd | it's correct ? |
| 20:26.52 | jelly-home | neobsd: I told you already what I thought was the best thing to apt-get install. |
| 20:27.20 | jelly-home | neobsd: linux-image-2.6-686 linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 20:27.20 | drwahl | Has anyone here had any experience with Intel video cards in linux? primarly getting 3D support |
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| 20:27.27 | EmergeTW | jangell_, ah well that is quite a bit better than the $500 |
| 20:27.34 | neobsd | ok |
| 20:27.37 | RungeKutta | Is there a known problem with 2.6.18-4-686 and a p4 where when processes start/stop on a P4, it pauses the computer for a good minute? |
| 20:27.44 | mfrisch | jelly-home: for now...I don't think their changes make it to qemu though |
| 20:28.03 | torrrr | I made an anonymous ftp that can upload and it only allows me this if it is to a subfolder not the root folder, and it also is not letting me do 'ls' on the root folder |
| 20:28.10 | drwahl | Has anyone here had any experience with Intel video cards in linux? primarly getting 3D support |
| 20:28.13 | geo-rge | drwahl: -details-. you're asking to ask. JUST ASK, as detailed and informative as possble. |
| 20:28.14 | torrrr | anyone knows how to fix it? |
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| 20:28.39 | mfrisch | drwahl: don't think it possible but you can ask my friend google. |
| 20:28.44 | geo-rge | torrrr: talk to the ftp server admin |
| 20:28.54 | geo-rge | but it's not likely he will change that |
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| 20:29.06 | hark | jelly-home: yeah, their src/recompiler/ contains a recompiler (emulator based on QEMU) |
| 20:29.16 | torrrr | geo-rge, I am the admin |
| 20:29.24 | drwahl | I am doing a fresh install, and I wanna know if it will be worth my time attempting to get a 3D driver install for an intel video card. a google search said that there is great support from intel for 3D support in linux |
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| 20:29.29 | drwahl | but i dont realy believe that |
| 20:29.33 | robin_sz | how I hate Gnumeric :( |
| 20:29.34 | hark | but they say for fallback cases |
| 20:29.37 | geo-rge | what did you say when you asked yourself? :) |
| 20:29.43 | wintix | ;) |
| 20:29.45 | mfrisch | drwahl: using what? |
| 20:30.03 | torrrr | geo-rge, and I would love to fix it if I knew how but this Very Stupid FTPD is kind of hard to get allong with |
| 20:30.03 | drwahl | mfrish: using intels proprietary opensource driver |
| 20:30.15 | hark | haha |
| 20:30.18 | geo-rge | drwahl: one important detail would be EXACTLY which card you have |
| 20:30.20 | fireba11 | Dr_zwaffelen: what now .. proprietary or open source ? |
| 20:30.23 | fireba11 | ups |
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| 20:30.31 | fireba11 | drwahl : i meant |
| 20:30.36 | mfrisch | drwahl: ok...proprietary and opensource do not go in the same sentence |
| 20:30.36 | geo-rge | how can we tell if we don't know |
| 20:30.38 | jelly-home | drwahl: which card? |
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| 20:31.20 | wintix | drwahl: intel has generally great linux support. they have a policy to either release source for their driver or have at least a binary driver for it. |
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| 20:31.29 | drwahl | mfrisch: i understand that propritary and open source do not go in the same sentence, that is why i didnt understand what this site is talking about http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ |
| 20:31.30 | jelly-home | drwahl: btw, the drivers are already in the distro. |
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| 20:31.41 | geo-rge | torrrr: use a different one... or learn how to configure that one |
| 20:31.49 | drwahl | jelly-home: do the drivers include 3D support? or just 2D |
| 20:32.00 | torrrr | geo-rge, G, thanks :) |
| 20:32.00 | mfrisch | jelly-home: there is intel mods? |
| 20:32.05 | jelly-home | drwahl: both (at least for my i915GM) |
| 20:32.09 | hark | drwahl: usually you shouldn't have to configure anything for 3d.. it's already in Xorg. These and older ati cards work out of the box(TM) |
| 20:32.13 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have made a custom debian system based on a etch netinstall and using qemu ( so i can google while doing it ). How can i build a iso image from this system and install on my pendrive? |
| 20:32.15 | drwahl | i am unsure of the exact video card model, but its a Dell Inspiron 6000 with the intel video card |
| 20:32.24 | jelly-home | mfrisch: what? |
| 20:32.32 | geo-rge | torrrr: note that you have not said WHICH ftpd you installed |
| 20:32.41 | torrrr | vsftpd |
| 20:32.50 | torrrr | its a very stupid ftpd |
| 20:32.50 | amphi | FernandoMM: you need syslinux to boot of a usb stick I believe |
| 20:32.53 | jelly-home | drwahl: you may already be a winner! |
| 20:33.00 | robin_sz | why oh why does gnumeric fsck about with text I enter, and try to guess what format I might want and get it worng? |
| 20:33.00 | mfrisch | jelly-home: I though intel was going to blacklist opensource. |
| 20:33.05 | geo-rge | I've not dealt with that personally... I have used proftpd before |
| 20:33.15 | torrrr | or at least the one who wrote the doc's is |
| 20:33.15 | hark | !vsftpd |
| 20:33.16 | dpkg | vsftpd is, like, a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and ... |
| 20:33.19 | amphi | drwahl: lspci will tell you what card it is |
| 20:33.28 | FernandoMM | amphi: ok, writing down syslinux. And how can i generate the iso image? |
| 20:33.47 | geo-rge | the config looks kinda like apache, it's xmlish |
| 20:33.54 | drwahl | amphi: as soon as the net-install finishes, i will do an lspci |
| 20:33.54 | th0ger | Im so confused about umask. It's in the bash manpage, so it must be bash-specific, not a system feature. But where does all gui apps get their umask from? And how can i set the umask for a single process? |
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| 20:34.12 | jelly-home | mfrisch: apparently not on the graphic drivers front |
| 20:34.26 | geo-rge | it's a bash builtin that deals with the system umask |
| 20:34.38 | amphi | FernandoMM: mkisofs, but I don't think that's what you want for a usb stick |
| 20:35.03 | torrrr | geo-rge, I had less trouble to understand proftpd, but see !proftpd |
| 20:35.18 | mfrisch | jelly-home: the force is getting stronger. |
| 20:35.26 | helo | !more |
| 20:35.26 | dpkg | from memory, more is a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to less, but only allows forward navigation through the file (although newer implementations of more do allow for limited backward movement). The command-syntax is: more [options] <file_name>, or less |
| 20:35.45 | jelly-home | mfrisch: more a case of left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing |
| 20:35.49 | geo-rge | torrrr: your choices go back to what I mentioned in the beginning |
| 20:35.55 | FernandoMM | amphi: i guess the main problem is how am i getting this system out of qemu |
| 20:35.58 | geo-rge | torrrr: use a different one... or learn how to configure the one you have |
| 20:36.00 | helo | !... |
| 20:36.00 | dpkg | ... is probably http://strugglers.net/rants/dots%20:(.php |
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| 20:36.37 | anirban | How to install acrobat reader in Debian Etch |
| 20:36.42 | jelly-home | mfrisch: there is no incentive to keep the graphic drivers for their onboard chips closed, so they aren't |
| 20:36.44 | amphi | FernandoMM: just mount the partition |
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| 20:37.00 | hark | anirban: why acrobat reader? |
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| 20:37.17 | th0ger | geo-rge: but changing umask in one term doesnt change it in another. so its somehow local |
| 20:37.22 | hark | there are pretty good alternatives |
| 20:37.29 | geo-rge | afternoon folks... |
| 20:37.35 | jelly-home | mfrisch: after all, this laptop I'm typing on was bought precisely because it uses free drivers and works well on Linux |
| 20:37.38 | FernandoMM | amphi: i have created it with dd, can i mount it? |
| 20:37.38 | amphi | FernandoMM: the partition[s] of the virtual drive I mean; you'll need to use losetup with appropriate offset[s] to bind the virtual partitions to loop devices |
| 20:37.41 | anirban | I need to view some pdf from icewhisel |
| 20:37.45 | geo-rge | it's probably an env var |
| 20:37.48 | torrrr | with this vsftpd there is no doc |
| 20:37.50 | amphi | anirban: use xpdf |
| 20:38.05 | anirban | actually I am filling tax return and need to print the doc |
| 20:38.06 | hark | evince is good |
| 20:38.18 | drwahl | upon further research, I believe I have the Intel 915GM card |
| 20:38.20 | wols | torrrr: /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/ |
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| 20:38.23 | mfrisch | jelly-home: whats is that? what new graphics card supports 3d natively |
| 20:38.25 | anirban | xpdf is not integrated with ice whisel |
| 20:38.29 | hark | try evince.. if not it's in marillat's repos |
| 20:38.33 | dual-man | hey, i have a wireless network with a debian gateway server, i have 3 ethernet ports, one is for isp, one is now the main gateway. I would like to create a subnet that would prevent users from the main network to see computer on the subnet. I assume i have to use the third ethernet port, is that correct? |
| 20:38.38 | wols | mfrisch: intel |
| 20:38.43 | wols | mfrisch: older ati too |
| 20:38.44 | jelly-home | mfrisch: well, Intel onboard cards do :-) |
| 20:38.48 | amphi | FernandoMM: fdisk -l your_file can show the offsets; you'll need to convert blocks to bytes for losetup |
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| 20:39.11 | mfrisch | jelly-home: cool..I guess that is a step in the right direction |
| 20:39.43 | FernandoMM | amphi: thanks, i'll try it now |
| 20:39.46 | jelly-home | mfrisch: don't expect performance comparable to ATi or Nvidia though, the buggers use shared system ram. |
| 20:39.51 | hark | anirban: then for mozilla-acroread and acroread, /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 20:40.08 | jelly-home | mfrisch: but compiz works ;-) |
| 20:40.08 | anirban | thanks |
| 20:40.29 | wad | So, I've got a software RAID-1 in my linux box. Once per month, it runs a check on the MD devices, and sends an email report if there's a problem. My question: If a disk dies, how I find out? I'd rather not wait until next month, if you know what I mean. :) And I'd rather not have to poll the logs daily, either. |
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| 20:41.06 | hark | anirban: i don't prefer pdfs opening within the browser though.. |
| 20:41.10 | mfrisch | wad so do the check more frequently |
| 20:41.15 | wad | I looked at smartmontools, but they gave me errors. I googled the errors, and they are common errors for SATA disks. Which I have. Seems like smartmontools aren't that great. Any recommendations? |
| 20:41.21 | robin_sz | wad, check daily, or hourly or whatever |
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| 20:41.50 | wad | mfrisch and robin_sz, yes... but I was under the impression that this check was a pretty heavy-handed operation. |
| 20:41.54 | wintix | wad: mdadm can monitor raids and send mails. |
| 20:41.55 | wad | I'll look into that. |
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| 20:42.03 | mfrisch | wad I believe madm can do disk checks |
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| 20:42.22 | wad | Allright, I'll read more mdadm docs. Thanks! |
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| 20:42.52 | robin_sz | wad, depends on what check you are doing, like they said, mdadm cna do checks, but grepping logs sint that big a deal either |
| 20:43.28 | wad | robin_sz, good idea. If I can figure out what kind of log messages mdadm may emit in the event of disk problems, I could run a cron and alert myself. |
| 20:43.59 | wintix | wad: look at /proc/mdstat |
| 20:44.07 | wad | ah! |
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| 20:44.27 | wad | wintix, will that change if a disk dies? |
| 20:44.32 | wintix | wad: yes. |
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| 20:45.11 | wad | wintix, so I could just do a diff on that, against a known happy version. If there is a difference, email me. |
| 20:45.12 | wad | Cool. |
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| 20:46.21 | wintix | wad: you could set up a raid with some loopback devices to test /pro/mdstats behavior |
| 20:46.46 | wad | mdadm seems to have a monitor mode. |
| 20:46.50 | wad | I'm looking into that rigth now. |
| 20:47.03 | wintix | wad: yes it has. and it's a good idea to use it :) |
| 20:47.07 | wad | :) |
| 20:47.13 | jelly-home | wad: there's also mdadm --misc --test |
| 20:47.19 | wad | Currently, I have to figure out if it's already using it. |
| 20:47.19 | |dennis| | I read this on a site..>>The package "hotplug" does not do what you expect it to do, it has been obsoleted by udev and must not be installed on a current kernel 2.6 based system.<<Is this true? If yes..can i remove allow-hotplug from my interfaces file? why?..why not?? |
| 20:47.46 | mfrisch | wad is this a large array..I don't think you would not notice a disk dying. pull one out |
| 20:48.02 | wad | Two 250GB SATA disks, mirrored. RAID-1. |
| 20:48.18 | wad | They live in my home server, under the stairs in the basement. |
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| 20:48.40 | stew | |dennis|: it is true that it has been obsoleted by udev. it is NOT true that it must not be installed on a current 2.6 kernel. "allow-hotplug" does not have anything to do with the hotplug package, read "man interfaces" and look for allow-hotplug |
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| 20:49.08 | bab__ | does anyone know if there is a software that would let me monitor the "apt status" (updates needed) for multiple machines, and maybe let me tell those machines to update themselves? |
| 20:49.14 | |dennis| | stew: thanks will do so... |
| 20:49.19 | stew | |dennis|: since i don't know what you expect hotplug to do, i cannot commone on whether or not it does that |
| 20:49.33 | wintix | wad: i have raid1 in my desktop system and i didn't notice one hd was gone until i recognized that the bios doesn't see it anymore. you are more likely to notice big performance drops on raid 5, etc |
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| 20:50.05 | mfrisch | wintix: I though mdadm send a email if the disks change? |
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| 20:50.25 | wintix | wad: my server has mdadm monitoring the raid. my desktop doesn't because the mdadm monitoring stuff isn't configured |
| 20:50.40 | wintix | err. mfrisch. |
| 20:51.29 | mfrisch | wintix: gerr |
| 20:51.42 | wintix | mfrisch: hm? |
| 20:51.44 | mfrisch | wintix: ruff ruff |
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| 20:52.16 | wintix | mfrisch: that was meant for you: my server has mdadm monitoring the raid. my desktop doesn't because the mdadm monitoring stuff isn't configured |
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| 20:53.03 | mfrisch | wintix: so does your server send messages? I thought that was the whole point of the program. |
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| 20:53.38 | wintix | mfrisch: my server does. but the workstation can't because it's unable to deliver the messages. |
| 20:53.48 | b0lted | I've installed beryl and it runs perfectly... I have a clean install of debian, and just set up X as dpkg says I should, then installed beryl, following the howto at beryl-project.org. However, when I exec beryl in my xsession, I only get the effects and such, there doesn't seem to be any menu system at all. Can I run like, fluxbox and beryl at the same time? How else would I get a menu? |
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| 20:54.01 | fireba11 | wintix: that's easy to fix |
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| 20:55.30 | wintix | fireba11: i know. but only nonessential data on the workstation, so it might as well live on in that no-mail-goes-out-state ;) |
| 20:56.08 | fireba11 | wintix: maybe but having a box that can't send mail is usually quite inconvenient |
| 20:56.34 | hark | b0lted: try #beryl |
| 20:57.31 | omg0 | I finally got the / mounted to the /target. Turned out the partition software had to be ran to cread the /target and to lable the partition / |
| 20:58.38 | omg0 | it automatically mounted it after along we /sys /proc, /dev, etc... |
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| 20:59.07 | omg0 | my problem now is that the apt-get command is not recognized at this level |
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| 21:01.07 | mortal5 | I want to copy all .c files out of foo/ and all of it's child directories, how would I do that? |
| 21:01.11 | omg0 | what module do I need to load to get to where I get the optitude at the command prompt so I can just install the image |
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| 21:02.07 | amphi | mortal5: find(1) |
| 21:02.07 | EmergeTW | what log would gpm dump to if it was crashing? |
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| 21:02.27 | mfrisch | EmergeTW: how do you crash gpm |
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| 21:02.54 | xand | mortal5: find . -name "*.c" -exec "cp {} /somewhere/else" \; |
| 21:03.01 | xand | or something :P |
| 21:03.04 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, I dont know, but /etc/init.d/gpm start says that it starts it but there is no gpm process running |
| 21:03.13 | mortal5 | xand, thanks, the find syntax is a mystery to me |
| 21:03.17 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, and the mouse isnt working |
| 21:03.23 | stew | mortal5: that's not what you want i don't think |
| 21:03.29 | mfrisch | EmergeTW: set it up correctly? |
| 21:03.56 | mfrisch | EmergeTW: at least in my experiance it works or it don't |
| 21:04.08 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, this is the first time I have had it not work |
| 21:04.14 | mortal5 | stew, what would be the correct syntax then? |
| 21:04.21 | amphi | mortal5: you want to duplicate the directory structure? |
| 21:04.38 | mfrisch | EmergeTW: so it work and then broke? |
| 21:04.39 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, nope just installed it |
| 21:04.45 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, but I have used it on countless other boxen |
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| 21:05.03 | stew | mortal5: if you have a/foo.c and b/bar.c you want to make the a and b directories in the new location? or you want to put all c files in one directory regardless of what subdirectory they were in originally? |
| 21:05.08 | mfrisch | EmergeTW: thats what I thought. man gpm there is a config flag |
| 21:05.32 | dutchfish | hi guys, i am looking for an app that supports building a .iso in a graphical way (like nautilus) in gnome desktop, is there any? |
| 21:05.41 | mortal5 | stew, I'd prefer to keep the dir structure intact, but I don't really have to |
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| 21:05.50 | mfrisch | EmergeTW: but it is strange that it doesn't just work is this a strange mouse |
| 21:06.18 | mfrisch | dutchfish: hi I am looking for some Jack Herer |
| 21:06.27 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, no, this is a standard 2 button with click wheel 1999 hp mouse |
| 21:06.35 | stew | mortal5: find . -name '*.c' | while read cfile ; do newdir=/target/directory/$(dirname cfile) ; mkdir -p $newdir ; cp $cfile $newdir ; done |
| 21:06.44 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, 1999 being the year the computer came out, heh |
| 21:06.45 | mfrisch | EmergeTW: a old ps/2 |
| 21:06.57 | dutchfish | mfrisch, pardon? |
| 21:07.15 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, yeah, gpm works from the command line if I do 'gpm -m /dev/psaux -t imps2' |
| 21:07.17 | mfrisch | dutchfish: uhm nothing..;-) |
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| 21:07.48 | mfrisch | EmergeTW: yeah so you need to change it from the defaults...man gpm it has a config flag |
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| 21:08.12 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, but I have the stuff set right in /etc/gpm.conf |
| 21:08.35 | mfrisch | EmergeTW: you are going to make me install it. |
| 21:08.57 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, heh |
| 21:09.24 | dutchfish | mfrisch, but if you can give me a hint on my question, that would be great |
| 21:09.26 | amphi | EmergeTW: try running gpm -D from the command line perhaps |
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| 21:10.20 | larsl | Which package do I need to install to get LyX to display math symbols properly? |
| 21:10.35 | mfrisch | dutchfish: dutch people don't understand the who ha about marijana...because they grew up around it. I use to have dutch friends. You want a iso? |
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| 21:11.12 | larsl | E.g. \forall |
| 21:11.30 | dutchfish | mfrisch, i understand, but i am not that way about drugs, but if you can help me out with a hint on a graphical app to create iso files,:) |
| 21:11.48 | wintix | dutchfish: k3b? |
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| 21:12.27 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, bleh, it works now, heh |
| 21:12.27 | dutchfish | wintix, can i edit iso files with it? |
| 21:12.27 | mfrisch | dutchfish: I can. any burning software can make a iso. I suggest k3b but there are many others. |
| 21:12.45 | mfrisch | EmergeTW: I was going to say I don't know why it wouldn't |
| 21:12.45 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, I ran dpkg-reconfigure gpm and fed in the same values for the 9th time and it works now |
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| 21:12.49 | wintix | dutchfish: i guess not, since it is a cd/dvd burning software. but test it, i'm not sure. |
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| 21:13.07 | dutchfish | mfrisch, i understand about creating iso'swith all kind like gnome-baker, but i am actually looking for an app to edit them |
| 21:13.07 | mfrisch | EmergeTW: I was going to tell you that next....I swear |
| 21:13.26 | EmergeTW | mfrisch, quite odd I must say, but anywho thanks for the emotional support in this tough situation |
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| 21:13.31 | vinvin | hi again :) |
| 21:13.42 | mfrisch | dutchfish: One does not edit a iso like you believe. |
| 21:13.43 | vinvin | how can I add a special boot param to a kernel with lilo ? |
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| 21:14.12 | larsl | dutchfish: You can just mount the ISO and remove and add files. |
| 21:14.13 | TTT_Travis | how do tape drives work in debian? |
| 21:14.17 | mfrisch | dutchfish: mount -o loop /path/to/iso /new mount point. |
| 21:14.21 | TTT_Travis | can I write directly to the tape drive? |
| 21:14.22 | holycow | hey guys |
| 21:14.35 | TTT_Travis | like cp -R folder /tapedrivehere |
| 21:14.45 | TTT_Travis | or do I have to use mt or something like that |
| 21:14.50 | dutchfish | mfrisch, something like this: mount an iso -> make copy -> sync the make changes -> recreate iso (on the fly) |
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| 21:15.36 | dutchfish | larsl, i can read but not edit nor add nor delete how come? |
| 21:15.43 | mfrisch | dutchfish: no just mount make changes umount new iso file. |
| 21:15.51 | holycow | i installed deb on a sata drive, imaged it and tried to get the imiage working on an ide drive. obviously everything points now to /dev/sda1 or similar. i tried changing fstab, menu.lst and device.map to dev/hdx but the box still refuses to boot. what else should i check ? |
| 21:15.56 | larsl | dutchfish: You can edit unless you mounted it read-only. |
| 21:16.18 | dutchfish | larsl, so iso files can be mounted r/w? |
| 21:16.51 | mfrisch | dutchfish: in a loop if you tell it to...how else you going to write to it? |
| 21:17.04 | thnee | how do you recommend installing a mx440, are the new nvidia stuff that comes with apt any good or is it still recommended to do it the good old way, getting the .run file from nvidia.com and give it the kernel sources for the kernel i use, all these new fancy packages just seems unnecessary? |
| 21:17.18 | dutchfish | mfrisch, thx |
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| 21:17.35 | vinvin | thnee the debian package is fine |
| 21:17.42 | vinvin | i've been with it for years |
| 21:17.48 | mfrisch | dutchfish: most dutch do not do drugs I think that is the point |
| 21:17.52 | vinvin | nvidia-kernel-sources |
| 21:17.57 | EmergeTW | I'm setting up dhcpd on a box that is going to also be the DNS server, what should I set the 'option domain-name-servers xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy' to? |
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| 21:18.33 | dutchfish | mfrisch, you could be right |
| 21:19.05 | larsl | What happened to the package latex-xft-fonts? apt-get install says "no installation candidate", but I need it for writing equations in LyX (and the lyx package recommends it). |
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| 21:19.49 | dutchfish | mfrisch, specially when you are dutch, 50+ years old, and have first signs of alzheimer, you dont need drugs anymore (like me) |
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| 21:20.17 | mfrisch | dutchfish: aah.. the faded hippy picture is coming into focus. |
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| 21:20.31 | thnee | vinvin: orly |
| 21:20.34 | dutchfish | mfrisch, you make new friends everyday with alzheimer :) |
| 21:20.38 | hderms | how do you remove an old kernel_image with dpkg? |
| 21:20.45 | vinvin | orly what thnee ? |
| 21:21.04 | thnee | vinvin: orly it's fine |
| 21:21.08 | mfrisch | dutchfish: and you don't remember your old enemies so that opens up another pool of people |
| 21:21.14 | vinvin | what is orly ? |
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| 21:21.18 | thnee | vinvin: oh really |
| 21:21.19 | blenna_unix | !ipw3945 |
| 21:21.19 | dpkg | it has been said that ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
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| 21:21.20 | dutchfish | mfrisch, yup |
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| 21:22.00 | amphi | vinvin: an airport |
| 21:22.08 | vinvin | lol amphi I know that |
| 21:22.15 | amphi | ;) |
| 21:22.39 | mfrisch | dutchfish: I hear the computer market is big in the Netherlands is that still true? |
| 21:23.05 | dutchfish | mfrisch, is quiet busy in the bowl, yes |
| 21:23.50 | vinvin | you're not gonna tell me no one knows how to pass a boot param with lilo ? |
| 21:24.17 | \amethyst | vinvin: append="param" |
| 21:24.22 | vinvin | aaaaaah :) |
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| 21:24.25 | \amethyst | vinvin: append="foo=bar" |
| 21:24.30 | vinvin | ok :) |
| 21:24.42 | vinvin | thank you \amethyst ! you're my heroe |
| 21:24.46 | amphi | vinvin: hit tab or shift or summat, and type $LABEL blah |
| 21:25.54 | \amethyst | depending on whether you want to do it permanently in lilo.conf (mine) or just this once (amphi's) |
| 21:26.39 | vinvin | yes i wanted it permanently |
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| 21:27.07 | |dennis| | Another question: is there anything wrong with having virtual ips? we have a /29 block form the isp..have three 1 mbps conenctions..would really like to use th ips..like 5 ips per interface? is there any load/processing/problems?? |
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| 21:27.29 | dkr | |dennis|: nope, that is common way to do it |
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| 21:28.38 | dkr | |dennis|: you use aliases for the network interfaces, like an alias for eth0 is eth:1 with a different ip |
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| 21:28.59 | dkr | er, eth0:1 |
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| 21:29.34 | dutchfish | dkr, or better use xen |
| 21:29.36 | eduhat | hey guys, how would i reconfigure x? |
| 21:29.49 | eduhat | dpkg-reconfigure ?? |
| 21:29.56 | wols | !drxx |
| 21:29.56 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 21:30.46 | mfrisch | dutchfish: xen is cool..I just finished up a custom dom0 kernel with evms support. Its cool. |
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| 21:31.13 | eduhat | thx |
| 21:31.20 | wols | mfrisch: only if you have a VT-d CPU. _then_ it's cool |
| 21:31.31 | wols | and unfortunately that doesn't exist. yet |
| 21:31.51 | mfrisch | wols: show off. is that for dom relocation? |
| 21:32.07 | mfrisch | wols: or just vizualization |
| 21:32.13 | dutchfish | is this the right way to mount a iso read write: mount file.iso /mnt/loop -o loop -o rw ? |
| 21:32.33 | mfrisch | mount -o loop /file.iso /mnt |
| 21:32.40 | mfrisch | mount -o loop rw /file.iso /mnt |
| 21:32.41 | vinvin | for two args it's append="foo=bar foo=bar" right \amethyst ? |
| 21:32.42 | dkr | dutchfish: using an entire virtual machine just for an interface alias is a bit silly |
| 21:32.47 | wols | mfrisch: I/O virtualization |
| 21:32.58 | wols | so you can virtualized ALL hardware not just VMM |
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| 21:33.14 | dutchfish | dkr, of coarse but for virtual hosting it adds so much xtra |
| 21:33.25 | wols | then you can truly run linux inside windows or windows inside linux or linux inside linux, etc |
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| 21:33.28 | mfrisch | wols: thats only good for 'doz ain't it. Or is there a performance gain? |
| 21:33.38 | blenna_unix | im in the software selection screen of the installer, what is "Standard system"? |
| 21:33.58 | lewis2 | I just tried to set up virtual network interfaces on my remote etch box, and just lost it. I am curious as to what I did wrong. |
| 21:34.06 | wols | mfrisch: yes. right now you need to emulate all external devices. most prominently the video of course, but it applies to all others too |
| 21:34.08 | dutchfish | mfrisch, think about security, special linux setups etc |
| 21:34.29 | lewis2 | I had lines of auto eth0:0, iface eth0:0 inet static, etc after the original entry |
| 21:35.41 | mfrisch | dutchfish: oh the only way I would run windows is in a chroot ;-) |
| 21:36.01 | dutchfish | mfrisch, i dont run windows |
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| 21:36.28 | wols | mfrisch: it's fine as long as you don't give it access to your NICs :) |
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| 21:36.51 | blenna_unix | what is included in the "standard system" selection in the software selection menu when u install debian? |
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| 21:36.55 | dkr | lewis2: what did you do afetr editing the file? |
| 21:37.07 | wols | blenna_unix: what software selection? |
| 21:37.07 | lewis2 | ran: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 21:37.12 | lewis2 | was that wrong? |
| 21:37.33 | lewis2 | the only thing I noticed was that the first original entry began with 'allow-hotplug' |
| 21:37.41 | lewis2 | whereas the rest began with 'auto' |
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| 21:38.06 | blenna_unix | wols: the screen where u choose what packages to install after core is installed (ie web server, desktop envionment, etc) |
| 21:38.18 | Jabka | i'd like to copy file from unmounted system using dd how can i find how much it takes and were it is |
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| 21:38.37 | \amethyst | Jabka: depends on the filesystem |
| 21:38.42 | Jabka | ext3 |
| 21:38.45 | \amethyst | Jabka: it could be in a lot of places |
| 21:38.53 | stew | Jabka: why not just mount it? |
| 21:38.54 | dutchfish | blenna_unix, if you just want a blank box that boots, dont select anaything |
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| 21:39.14 | dutchfish | blenna_unix, you have to install ssh manually so |
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| 21:39.29 | wols | blenna_unix: man tasksel. but I wouldn't use it. it sucks. and there is no "standard" in debian at all. all there is is a base install |
| 21:39.34 | dkr | lewis2: well, I would have just down ifup for specific alias i just added, e.g. eth0:1 but restarting networking shouldn't break things. hrm, maybe a typo cause a syntax err when parsing the interfaces file |
| 21:39.40 | Jabka | stew im trieng to understand the output of hd to use it later for dd |
| 21:39.55 | blenna_unix | oh. using the net install of etch |
| 21:40.09 | lewis2 | dkr: ergh |
| 21:40.14 | wols | blenna_unix: just apt-get whatever you want afterwards. apt-cache and apt-get are your friends. or aptitute |
| 21:40.18 | wols | aptitude |
| 21:40.38 | Jabka | <\amethyst> for example i got 4 options : http://www.whatsup.co.il/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=238785#238785 |
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| 21:40.42 | dutchfish | blenna_unix, dont forget to edit /etc/apt/sources.list after boot and mark # your cdrom line |
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| 21:40.54 | wols | blenna_unix: anytime you want this tasksel thing back, just run tasksel |
| 21:41.04 | Jabka | ignore the unqouted text |
| 21:41.10 | wols | blenna_unix: and add a local debian mirror to your sources |
| 21:41.12 | Jabka | it is in forgin language |
| 21:41.13 | blenna_unix | ok. thx |
| 21:41.48 | blenna_unix | also, any really good packages out there that handles laptop power management? |
| 21:42.03 | mfrisch | Jabka: aptitude install locales&& dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:42.15 | streuner_ | blenna_unix: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 21:42.23 | wols | really good is relative. spufreqd, acpid, etc |
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| 21:43.07 | Jabka | mfrisch: locales what the relevenc ? |
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| 21:43.50 | mfrisch | Jabka: you said it was not in your language..locales will allow changing this |
| 21:43.51 | EmergeTW | could someone familiar with bind9 help me out for a minute please? |
| 21:44.24 | markybob | !ask |
| 21:44.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:44.32 | Jabka | mfrisch: i was talking about a post qusetioning about dd and hd |
| 21:44.40 | EmergeTW | I am trying to setup bind9 on a simple network so I can pull up computers by name. I'd like to have it such that it updates off the dhcp server if at all possible |
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| 21:45.17 | EmergeTW | markybob, I saw that comming, heh, I didnt mean to hit enter yet |
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| 21:45.40 | wols | EmergeTW: isn't that a bit overkill? |
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| 21:46.14 | EmergeTW | wols, which part? updating off the dhcp server or bind9? |
| 21:46.35 | blenna_unix | wols: one of my concerns is my laptop brightness. any pkg that will auto adjust the brightness depending on the battery level? |
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| 21:47.51 | streuner_ | wb(r) dondelelcaro :-) |
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| 21:48.19 | wols | EmergeTW: bind9 |
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| 21:48.53 | EmergeTW | wols, know of a more simple solution that doesnt require editing host files on every machine? |
| 21:48.59 | sword | EmergeTW: have you looked at dnsmasq? |
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| 21:49.08 | wols | EmergeTW: use something like dnsmasq for DNS server (and dhcp too) and put your hostnames into /etc/hosts of the dnsmasq running server. done |
| 21:49.22 | wols | only a single host file needed to edit |
| 21:49.30 | EmergeTW | wols, beautiful thanks |
| 21:50.05 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: yeah, this machine died sometime on saturday, and since I'm 400 miles away, I couldn't fix it |
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| 21:50.13 | lewis2 | dondelelcaro: we haven't spoken in three years, but you were once a great help. |
| 21:50.18 | dondelelcaro | probably firefox ate all of the memory |
| 21:51.00 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: you aren't actually in california? |
| 21:52.11 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: I am, but I'm up north |
| 21:52.22 | streuner_ | hm |
| 21:53.18 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: you in the Bay? |
| 21:53.23 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: right now, yes. |
| 21:53.37 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: I switch with ya? |
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| 21:54.12 | streuner_ | mfrisch: wtf is 'Bay'? SF? |
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| 21:54.41 | ata2_ | hello everybody. My university is strict on student permissions and don't allow me to have sudoers permission on my very own machine.. :( anyway.. i would like for example to install a program like Konversation. Is it possible to install the RPM package in the USERSPACE instead of the root of the system? I know how to do it for example if i have to COMPILE the program: ./configure --prefix=$HOME/.kde, but not for RPM or DEBs |
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| 21:55.00 | mfrisch | streuner_: yeah san fran |
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| 21:55.17 | abrotman | ata2_: they don't allow you to do what ? |
| 21:55.21 | K|NgGh0sT | Hey, When I chmod +x a script, and try to run the script, I get invalid option, even though the script absolutly should run |
| 21:55.29 | abrotman | and why would you install the RPM ? |
| 21:55.32 | streuner_ | mfrisch: oh, i hope i can visit SF sometime... |
| 21:55.36 | abrotman | ata2_: is this on debian ? |
| 21:55.46 | dkr | K|NgGh0sT: perhaps it has an invalid option in the first line of the script |
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| 21:55.58 | mfrisch | streuner_: It is a beutiful place but very expensive |
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| 21:56.26 | streuner_ | mfrisch: there are places in europe which are more expensive... |
| 21:56.28 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: could be; I'm just in San Jose, actually... but only for a few days |
| 21:56.29 | dkr | K|NgGh0sT: or any line thereafter. if it's a shell script you can use sh -x script.sh and ti will print each command before it runs it so you see which one is causing the error |
| 21:56.42 | kingsley | K|NgGh0sT: "set -xv" is a good way to debug bash scripts. |
| 21:57.09 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: You doing a gig for the big leagues? |
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| 21:58.58 | K|NgGh0sT | dkr, it wont even allow a PATH command |
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| 22:00.22 | kingsley | K|NgGh0sT: Or perhaps the script happens to share its name with an executable. |
| 22:00.38 | lewis2 | how come the debian package of munin-node doesn't include the bind9 plugin, and does anyone know where I can get it? |
| 22:00.44 | eduhat | is there a way that i could decrease the size of my debian partition and leave that other 2gb of space free? |
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| 22:01.54 | kingsley | eduhat: parted |
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| 22:02.09 | MicroChip32 | is there a config setting somewhere that would cause ssh and ftp logins to take several seconds before getting a login prompt ?? im getting the same thing on two freshly installed systems, on two different hosts, both with pings <60ms |
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| 22:02.39 | eduhat | thank you |
| 22:03.31 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: just some consulting work |
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| 22:04.24 | wols | MicroChip32: are both set to do reverse DNS on login? |
| 22:04.39 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: well if you have some time goto Ashburry for me! |
| 22:04.49 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: passed by it, actually. |
| 22:05.12 | streuner_ | mfrisch: what's that interesting in Ashburry? |
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| 22:05.34 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: I love the park. I would walk my akita there for hours |
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| 22:08.17 | mfrisch | streuner_: It has rock and roll fame. |
| 22:10.24 | helo | is there a better way to access a system's ip address than to grep through ifconfig? |
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| 22:11.37 | kripton1x | I have a wireless PCI card that im tryin to set up, it says its an atheros but i Havent installed troo many wireless cards, can someone help me? |
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| 22:11.39 | streuner_ | helo: why do you want that? |
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| 22:11.58 | mfrisch | !info madwifi |
| 22:12.14 | wols | !madwifi |
| 22:12.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, madwifi is for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
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| 22:12.31 | mfrisch | wols: I knew it had to be there |
| 22:13.34 | mfrisch | kripton1x: basically you install the kernel module the userland programs and then use the programs to make your connection |
| 22:15.02 | wols | this "oowdy/sarge only" looks bad :( |
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| 22:15.37 | MicroChip32 | wols : where would i look to find out ? |
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| 22:15.54 | DragonD | What would any of you suggest for a good easy to update spam filter daemon? |
| 22:16.32 | mfrisch | DragonD: I like mailscanner and it is easy to set up with postfix. |
| 22:16.35 | lewis2 | can someone explain why it is wrong to specify a gateway IP address multiple times in an interfaces file (when doing virtual network interfaces), even if it is to the same IP address? |
| 22:16.54 | mfrisch | DragonD: mailscanner can be overkill though |
| 22:17.05 | DragonD | mfrisch: why is that? |
| 22:17.28 | mfrisch | DragonD: how much email are we talking? |
| 22:18.09 | mfrisch | What is this !![CTCP] Received CTCP-PING request from DragonD, sending answer. |
| 22:18.23 | DragonD | about 100 spam/day on my account i'm sure it's just about as much for others.. consting of about 5-10 users so about 500-1000 spam a day |
| 22:18.36 | wols | MicroChip32: config files |
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| 22:18.50 | DragonD | What is this: Ping delay from mfrisch: 1.688 seconds? |
| 22:19.07 | wols | a non working reverse dns often shows this problem with both |
| 22:19.07 | MicroChip32 | wols : i figured that much, but which ones, im still getting use to debian, im used to redhat9 |
| 22:19.18 | wols | sshd_config e.g |
| 22:21.01 | wols | DragonD: it means you have an exceptonally bad sat connection |
| 22:21.01 | MicroChip32 | login grace time matter ? |
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| 22:21.02 | DragonD | wols yes i know |
| 22:21.02 | DragonD | the ISP sucks! |
| 22:21.03 | MicroChip32 | wols : other than 'login grace time' i dont see anything that seems to reference reverse lookup, commented or not |
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| 22:21.09 | DragonD | not to mention the router they provided it worthless. it get flooded with arp from the sat and drops packets like crazy. |
| 22:21.27 | mfrisch | DragonD: well you are not "stuck" with postfix with mailscanner its just harder to get working. Its a all in one daemon and works great for me. It has many backends spamassassin virus scanner, plus many other security features assoiciated with email security |
| 22:22.18 | DragonD | All in one? what is the all? |
| 22:23.23 | kingsley | Has anyone here tried upgrading from kernel 2.6.12-1-k7 to 2.6.18-4-k7? If so, how well did it work out? |
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| 22:24.07 | mfrisch | DragonD: it is a front-end to over twelve virus scanners. It only uses spamassassin. It handles mime security. Does checks on inline-html |
| 22:24.17 | DragonD | this is gonna be hell. tring to setup a remote server's email servers with a HIGH latency connection. |
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| 22:24.58 | MicroChip32 | sounds like fun DragonD, sorta like this friggin wireless connection, just multiplied by 2 or 3 |
| 22:25.02 | DragonD | mfrisch: Ok... i'm sold. i'll look it up at debian-admin |
| 22:25.04 | mfrisch | DragonD: is it for a business? SAT |
| 22:25.55 | DragonD | mfrisch: the server kinda, the sat connection is my grandmothers |
| 22:26.07 | mfrisch | DragonD: aah. Who with? |
| 22:26.10 | DragonD | her only option for internet besides dialup. which sucks also because of line quality |
| 22:26.31 | kingsley | DragonD: Perhaps you could expidite the chore by openning serveral simultaneous xterms or ssh connections and using low bandwidth tools, like vi. |
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| 22:27.44 | DragonD | Who with? the server? I host a few sites and i'm gonna start selling teamspeak(voip) servers. kingsley: I use putty with nano usally. |
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| 22:27.56 | dual-man | can i set up a mirrored raid after installing debian |
| 22:28.22 | mfrisch | DragonD: teamspeak ooh my. use asterisk. |
| 22:28.39 | DragonD | kingsley: and bandwith isn't really the big issue. if i have to wait 1.5 seconds for a keypress to appear it sucks. |
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| 22:28.55 | DragonD | mfrisch: teamspeak for gamers..... |
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| 22:29.10 | inv | hi all |
| 22:29.16 | mfrisch | DragonD: I know. asterisk for everyone. |
| 22:29.22 | wols | MicroChip32: man sshd_config, /UseDNS |
| 22:29.22 | inv | could anyone send me r1000.ko ? |
| 22:29.48 | inv | network card doesn't work, I can't compile the drvier from src |
| 22:29.57 | DragonD | mfrisch: how could i make money off of astrisk? |
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| 22:30.08 | amphi | inv: why not? |
| 22:30.38 | inv | internet doesn't work, I should reboot in windows to download every package |
| 22:30.55 | wols | inv: what NIC chip is it? |
| 22:31.00 | amphi | inv: why can't you compile the driver? |
| 22:31.09 | stew | inv: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 22:31.11 | inv | amphi: I need headers |
| 22:31.20 | DragonD | ok so enough chattin time for a SLOW task of researching and seting up mailscanner |
| 22:31.22 | inv | 2.6.17 |
| 22:31.26 | wols | !tell inv about apt-zip |
| 22:31.43 | mfrisch | DragonD: sell voip pbx's? I don't know a business that could not use it. And home users need is more and more each day |
| 22:31.47 | inv | wols: RTL8111B |
| 22:31.49 | stew | inv: so you compiled it yourself? do you still have the source directory where you comiled it? |
| 22:31.53 | jeffwheeler | Is it normal for GParted to take an extremely long time "Scanning all devices..." every time it is loaded, and every time the disk is updated, on a fairly small hd? |
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| 22:32.42 | mfrisch | DragonD: you got to edit a couple of files not brain surgery |
| 22:32.47 | DragonD | mfrisch: A little too much for me now. maybe when i have enough money to handle all the hardware/bandwidth required. |
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| 22:33.01 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 22:33.10 | frankr | How do I create a new X screen on the command line? |
| 22:33.25 | DragonD | mfrisch: I have to undo a lot of configuration i all ready did and figure where i did it. that was about a year ago or so. |
| 22:33.36 | stew | frankr: you mean x is running and you want to start a second x? |
| 22:33.39 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to install Debian 3.1r5 to a system with SATA hard disks using the linux26 kernel, but debian installer says there are no partitionable disks |
| 22:33.44 | solemnwarning | What should I do? |
| 22:33.46 | inv | stew: if someone has r1000.ko, it will be easie to insmod it to my kernel, turn internet up, and build driver from sources |
| 22:33.47 | frankr | stew: right |
| 22:33.49 | stew | frankr: "startx -- :1" |
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| 22:34.05 | kofler | How do I fix what's specified here ( http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:bpuf2Rd8hM0J:h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/BA548_90007/ch06s05.html+No+principal+in+keytab+matches+desired+name&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=29&gl=us ) for the error No principal in keytab matches desired name ? |
| 22:34.09 | kofler | The explanation is very vague to me. |
| 22:34.09 | stew | inv: you mean if someone has r1000.ko for you exact version of linux |
| 22:34.43 | frankr | stew, Fatal server error: Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running |
| 22:34.51 | amphi | inv: --force-vermagic is usually a good way to get a panic IME ;) |
| 22:34.54 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 22:35.01 | inv | stew, I think I could load 2.6.1x kernel |
| 22:35.02 | stew | frankr: do you already have 2 servers running? |
| 22:35.10 | frankr | stew, I don't believe so, no |
| 22:35.15 | inv | insmod -force or smth like that |
| 22:35.29 | inv | driver for kernel 2.6.1xx |
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| 22:35.37 | stew | inv: only if when you comipled your kernel you went out of your way to make it willing to load kernel modules from a different version. you'd also need to make sure you got a .ko compiled with the same version of gcc |
| 22:35.42 | frankr | stew, actually if I try :2 or :3 then it says could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 22:36.03 | stew | frankr: is xfonts-base installed? |
| 22:36.17 | inv | I use testing, I think I'm not along on the channel who use it :) |
| 22:36.28 | frankr | stew, of course it is, I'm running X right now :P |
| 22:36.38 | jeffwheeler | What would make GParted run extremely slow detecting disks? |
| 22:36.39 | MicroChip32 | wols : ok that made sense, set UseDNS to no, but still takes 10+ seconds before i get a prompt. one server is only a 400mhz but the other is a quad zeon machine on a commercial connection, no excuse for that one |
| 22:36.43 | frankr | stew, on my xfce panel there is a new login window option which works x_x |
| 22:36.58 | solemnwarning | If I modprobe sata_nv the hdd access lights light up, but nothing happens |
| 22:37.19 | kofler | Could someone please help me? I've been struggling with this problem for quite some time and I'd really appreciate some help :) |
| 22:37.33 | mfrisch | !ask |
| 22:37.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:37.45 | kofler | mfrisch: I already asked the question. |
| 22:38.00 | frankr | .. hah |
| 22:38.20 | mfrisch | you pointed us to a howto from hp? |
| 22:38.24 | solemnwarning | dmesg contains ata1/2 slow to repond please be patient, then timeout after 30 seconds |
| 22:38.34 | kofler | No, specifically the error that I was having. What does it mean? |
| 22:38.39 | kofler | What are they saying the solution is? |
| 22:38.45 | solemnwarning | The access lights are still lit up btw |
| 22:38.54 | kofler | I don't even have OpenVMS or whatever, but I'm trying to get Kerberos and SSH to play nice. |
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| 22:39.12 | jeffwheeler | Okay, let me try. "I have a problem with GParted; I'm running Debian version Etch. When I try to do _detect disks_ I get _a very long wait_. I expected it to be _done by now_." (I.e., it's be running for longer than it should be... a _very_ long time) |
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| 22:40.26 | mfrisch | kofler: well it says most problems are usually the kerberos's fault in the howto? |
| 22:40.58 | kofler | mfrisch: Well I asked about a specific problem right after I pasted the link. |
| 22:41.07 | mfrisch | kofler: does kerberos work alone? |
| 22:41.11 | kofler | mfrisch: Yeah. |
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| 22:41.59 | kofler | I've asked about Kerberos and SSH a few days continuously in a much more verbose manner on this channel and this is the first time any one is seriously trying to help, so I will reciprocate that :) |
| 22:42.44 | kofler | Actually, a friend of mine was trying to help me out with this and he posted on the Debian forums about this, let me dig up the link. |
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| 22:43.09 | jnguy | How do you find which package owns a file using dpkg? |
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| 22:43.20 | inv | jnguy: dpkg -S |
| 22:43.34 | solemnwarning | argh |
| 22:43.38 | kofler | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=13230 |
| 22:43.43 | jnguy | inv: thanks! |
| 22:43.53 | mfrisch | kofler: what hash does kerberos use for passwords? |
| 22:43.58 | maddash_ | inv: what about packages that aren't installed yet? |
| 22:44.16 | solemnwarning | When sata_nv tries detecting either of my disks the drives access LED lights up, and stays on until I reboot the machine, it says ata1/2 is taking too long to respond and times out after 30 seconds |
| 22:44.20 | solemnwarning | What should I do? |
| 22:44.32 | inv | maddash_: I know packages.debian.org :) |
| 22:44.56 | maddash_ | inv: that's the only way? |
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| 22:45.09 | inv | I saw in Packages.gz and didn't find any information about files |
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| 22:45.39 | kofler | mfrisch: I'm not sure, aren't those internals a little much to ask of the common user though? (I'd be willing to look through the code, but it would take me some time) |
| 22:45.41 | inv | maybe there're some tools to do it, but I don't know |
| 22:46.23 | mfrisch | kofler: give me a sec. |
| 22:46.40 | rvsjoen | is there any reason that mail, news, daemon etc should have valid shells (tiger keeps complaining about this) |
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| 22:46.50 | kofler | mfrisch: Thanks :) |
| 22:47.17 | inv | I sorry, but what about r1000.ko for 2.6.1x ? |
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| 22:48.08 | mfrisch | kofler: you want to do this? http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid1_gci1104244,00.html |
| 22:48.45 | mfrisch | kofler: but you are only having the problem with ssh? |
| 22:49.03 | kofler | Yeah, I've configured a lot of it, that's why I was asking a very specific question earlier. |
| 22:49.17 | kofler | That article looks like complete fluff and it points to a useless link. |
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| 22:49.44 | lewis2 | in etch, where do I prevent the motd from being overwritten on each boot? |
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| 22:49.56 | stew | lewis2: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 22:50.30 | lewis2 | should I just comment the lines out? |
| 22:50.34 | torrrr | how do I change primary group of a user? |
| 22:50.57 | mfrisch | kofler: so where is the ssh server. on the linux servers using the windows domain as its ad? |
| 22:51.16 | lewis2 | is it safe to delete the symlink? |
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| 22:51.29 | stew | lewis2: which symlink? |
| 22:51.36 | lewis2 | from /etc/motd to /var/run/motd |
| 22:51.37 | kofler | mfrisch: Okay, let's back it up a little bit. |
| 22:51.44 | lewis2 | the bootmisc.sh only refers to /var/run/motd |
| 22:51.58 | lewis2 | so presumably, if I delete the symlink to /var/run, I can just safely create my own in motd... |
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| 22:52.04 | stew | lewis2: yeah, then you can probably replace the /etc/motd symlink with a static file |
| 22:52.20 | kofler | First off, let me get one thing clarified so I don't get flamed to hell. The platform doesn't really matter here. The only thing of real concern is how the SSH server, PAM, and Kerberos are configured. |
| 22:52.57 | kofler | That said, the clients run Ubuntu (but it's close enough to Ubuntu, don't get nitpicky, you know what I mean), the Linux profile server runs Gentoo, and the Windows machine runs Server 2003 R2. |
| 22:53.17 | markybob | dont get nitpicky. that's funny |
| 22:53.40 | markybob | hey, guys, i cant read the topic! but dont get nitpicky on me |
| 22:53.44 | EmergeTW | I am setting up Dnsmasq and it is assigning ip's and doing local dns stuff right, but I cant get to external sites |
| 22:53.45 | DragonD | mfrisch: i tried mail scanner before, just remembered, it would suddenly quit working and i'd have to restart it and wait for it to catch up before i could check my e-mail. |
| 22:53.47 | kofler | markybob: I've been trolled for dumb minor details by idiots that don't know what they are talking about |
| 22:53.56 | DragonD | but i'm gonna try it again anyways, |
| 22:54.06 | EmergeTW | is there any way to define the ip address of the router in Dnsmasq? |
| 22:54.13 | kofler | markybob: Up until now, it could have been that I was using a Debian machine, but if it gets Debian specific enough, I'll not whine about getting help on the specifics. I do my homework. |
| 22:54.26 | markybob | oh please |
| 22:54.28 | mfrisch | DragonD: never happened to me. |
| 22:54.45 | DawnLight | im having truble with my DHCP settings. windows wich i am now using retrieves the information sucessfuly and i can connact as you can see but debian business card installation says that dHCP conf was sucssesfull but it requiers a defult route. any suggestions? |
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| 22:55.23 | kofler | Anyway, upon user logout, the clients rsync with the Linux profile server using a Kerberos ticket obtained on user login via pam_script (which allows for easy password extraction to generate the ticket without user interaction) |
| 22:55.27 | xixor | hi everyone, I have managed to screw up my MBR, trying to get grub to install. I have used the linux sysrescue cd to boot the system and have mounted my old linux drive. Now trying to get grub too install using the old /boot/grub/menu.lst file with grub --config-file /mnt/linux/boot/grub/menu.lst, but this just seems to take me to the grub shell, is there a way to install grub using this old menu.lst? |
| 22:55.54 | kofler | The ticket is forwardable, so it passes on to the Windows box and those credentials are used to store the client's user's configuration files like .vimrc, etc. |
| 22:55.55 | wols | xixor: use a chroot |
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| 22:56.00 | kofler | mfrisch: Does that help a bit? |
| 22:56.02 | wols | chroot /mntlinux |
| 22:56.05 | wols | chroot /mnt/linux |
| 22:57.05 | mfrisch | kofler: I found this Please note that SSH Secure Shell only supports Kerberos5. what version of kerberos is it? |
| 22:57.13 | kofler | Kerberos V. |
| 22:57.31 | EmergeTW | How do I get dnsmasq to use my router to access sites not on my local network? |
| 22:57.47 | xixor | wols: chroot? |
| 22:58.04 | kofler | Even if the network had been using Kerberos IV, I've set up the configuration files so that they convert the IV tickets. |
| 22:59.01 | mfrisch | kofler: got a AllowedAuthentications kerberos in sshd.conf |
| 22:59.05 | xixor | wols: ahh, then I can use debian's update-grub command perhaps |
| 22:59.41 | kofler | mfrisch: No, because that's not OpenSSH compatible. Are you following some sort of guide? Because I'm fairly sure I've read that. It has no relevance to any of the Linux distributions, least of all any of the Debian or Debian based ones. |
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| 23:00.26 | kofler | mfrisch: The reason I say that is that the version of SSH you are talking about is not free as far as I know. |
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| 23:01.02 | mfrisch | kofler: in the howto it is. |
| 23:01.21 | kofler | mfrisch: Yeah, ignore that. The end behavior is the same. |
| 23:01.43 | kofler | mfrisch: I just want to know what they mean by the explanation for the error I was asking about earlier. |
| 23:02.01 | kofler | For your reference: No principal in keytab matches desired name |
| 23:02.48 | kofler | I start up an OpenSSH daemon instance with /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd -p 10000 and the output displays that when I login from a client which tries Kerberos + GSSAPI authentication |
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| 23:03.58 | magyar | hi, anyone maintaining an Exchange server? |
| 23:04.08 | mfrisch | kofler: check this out. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/BA548_90007/ch06s02.html |
| 23:04.15 | lewis2 | should my first virtual interface be eth0:0 or eth0:1, and does it matter if my original interface begins with 'allow-hotplug' instead of 'auto'? |
| 23:04.22 | EmergeTW | Dnsmasq is angering me |
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| 23:04.45 | markybob | magyar, fucking fuck, man. this is #debian |
| 23:05.02 | kofler | hahaha |
| 23:05.04 | magyar | biatch |
| 23:05.23 | kofler | magyar: If you aren't just trolling, try ##windows |
| 23:05.35 | lewis2 | why are nameservers always listed in reverse order? |
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| 23:05.48 | lewis2 | a registrar asks for ns1 and ns2, and queries result in ns2 being shown first? |
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| 23:05.59 | netman | does anyone know why myspace is so slow and jerkey scrolling up and down in linux but not in windows? especialy my friends myspace http://www.myspace.com/coryhighfield |
| 23:06.15 | netman | do I have to disable something? |
| 23:06.22 | magyar | kofler: no one there knowladgeble |
| 23:06.23 | stew | lewis2: they are not ordered. and the order shouldn't matter |
| 23:06.33 | kofler | mfrisch: Like I said, AllowedAuthentications is not an option present in OpenSSH. |
| 23:06.48 | stew | lewis2: it doesn't matter if you start with eth0:0 or eth0:1 (or eth0:123 if you wish) |
| 23:07.04 | DragonD | mfrisch: do you have clamav for mailscanner? if so what version? |
| 23:07.10 | lewis2 | hmm, and for allow-hotplug as opposed to auto? |
| 23:07.10 | kofler | mfrisch: Here, I'll pastebin my Linux profile server's /etc/ssh/sshd_config and my client ~/.ssh/config |
| 23:07.13 | stew | lewis2: read "man interfaces" for the meaninig of allow-hotplug |
| 23:07.48 | EmergeTW | Anyone know how to get dnsmasq to be friendly with my router? |
| 23:09.17 | eduhat | !dpkg remove kde |
| 23:09.21 | lewis2 | stew: I am trying to work out why my attempts at virtual interfaces failed. after the default entry, I added 'auto eth0:0', 'iface eth0:0 inet static', 'address ...' etc, but things didn't come up after networking restart. |
| 23:09.25 | mfrisch | kofler: looking at mine ;-) |
| 23:09.54 | eduhat | !dpkg delete kde |
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| 23:10.10 | eduhat | how would i delete kde? |
| 23:10.31 | jeffwheeler | I'm having trouble detecting a USB thumb-drive. `lsusb` detects it (i.e., the values for one of the devices changes when unplugged), but `fdisk -l` and GParted do not see it. |
| 23:10.50 | kofler | Okay, so here's the server's sshd_config |
| 23:10.51 | kofler | http://phpfi.com/220326 |
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| 23:10.52 | jeffwheeler | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5827 |
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| 23:11.14 | peppe | jeffwheeler: paste the contents of /proc/bus/usb/devices && dmesg |
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| 23:11.52 | jeffwheeler | peppe: Permission denied; I'm root. :/ |
| 23:12.16 | peppe | jeffwheeler: permission denied for what? /proc/bus/usb/devices ? |
| 23:12.21 | jeffwheeler | peppe: yes. |
| 23:12.50 | jeffwheeler | peppe: 'bash: /proc/bus/usb/devices: Permission denied' to be more exact |
| 23:12.59 | markybob | dont execute it |
| 23:13.00 | markybob | cat it |
| 23:13.09 | peppe | jeffwheeler: you've to *read* it |
| 23:13.17 | peppe | cat /proc/bus/usb/devices or something |
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| 23:14.24 | lewis2 | sorry about that stew. are you sure that having 'allow-hotplug' and not 'auto' in the beginning line of my 'eth0' won't upset the virtual interfaces |
| 23:15.02 | mfrisch | kofler: gees. |
| 23:15.04 | jeffwheeler | markybob, peppe: ah, of course; thanks. The output is _very_ long (I assume this is normal). Do you just want the last 50 lines or so? |
| 23:15.08 | eduhat | anyone know how i would delete kde? |
| 23:15.31 | jeffwheeler | !remove kde |
| 23:15.31 | dpkg | remove kde is probably aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 23:15.56 | peppe | jeffwheeler: of dmesg? yes, they should be enough |
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| 23:16.45 | peppe | the latest should show something about a new usb device plugged in |
| 23:17.30 | jeffwheeler | peppe: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5828; I'm not exactly sure where it starts, so I left some extra |
| 23:17.40 | mfrisch | kofler: have you played with these #HostbasedAuthentication no #IgnoreUserKnownHosts no |
| 23:17.47 | jeffwheeler | peppe: I unplugged it once or twice, so I think I left one of those in there |
| 23:18.20 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
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| 23:18.47 | abrotman | though i doubt it'll be that useful |
| 23:18.50 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: no output |
| 23:18.54 | dustybin | does anybody know how to search on 'titles only' on phpBB forums? there is a option for this on 'vbulletin' forums but havent managed to work it out on phpBB forums |
| 23:18.57 | dustybin | http://forums.debian.net/search.php |
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| 23:19.09 | peppe | jeffwheeler: now you should have /dev/sdb, a device with no partitions |
| 23:19.12 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: does it work in windows ? |
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| 23:19.44 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: no. I'm doing this for a friend and he had problems with it after he used it on a Mac, and it then would no longer be recognized by Windows. |
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| 23:19.45 | lewis2 | stew: well, aside from what has already been discussed, any warnings about what to be sure to not do, when setting up virtual interfaces? |
| 23:19.50 | hunterp | anyone use snvperms.py or an equivelant? eg something to make a tag immutable after the first copy |
| 23:19.56 | lakcaj | I'm trying to build a deb from source, and I'm looking at all the dependencies in the build-depends section of the description file. Is there a way to install all the required deps in a single command? |
| 23:19.58 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: does he want the data on it ? |
| 23:20.04 | DawnLight | anyone has experience with setting up an adsl modem as a DHCP server? i could really use some help. debian businesscard installation succesfully configures the connection but asks me to specify a default route. i don't know what that means but i assume that it's something i have'nt configured in the modem. |
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| 23:20.14 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: you just gonna format it from here using fdisk? |
| 23:20.19 | peppe | jeffwheeler: is it partitioned? what happens if you try a file -s /dev/sdb? |
| 23:20.24 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: i was just asking .. |
| 23:20.35 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: you could use dd to make an image of the device .. if it can read it ... |
| 23:20.37 | peppe | jeffwheeler: fdisk doesn't "format" --- it manages partitions |
| 23:21.01 | peppe | so you may want to create a partition on it, since it looks unpartitioned |
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| 23:21.15 | peppe | and I really don't know if windows likes unpartitioned usb devices |
| 23:21.23 | jeffwheeler | peppe: you're correct; I don't want to do anything final on it, but I'd like to see how far I can go, and to know what I am going to do when I get permission to format it. |
| 23:21.29 | abrotman | some usb drives are raw |
| 23:21.52 | abrotman | eh .. raw isn't the right word .. but whatever :) |
| 23:22.02 | jeffwheeler | I know what you mean... :) |
| 23:22.04 | peppe | jeffwheeler: file -s /dev/sdb ? |
| 23:22.18 | kofler | mfrisch: Yes, and they are useless. |
| 23:22.31 | kofler | Here's the client configuration: http://phpfi.com/220327 |
| 23:22.32 | jeffwheeler | peppe: '/dev/sdb: writable, no read permission' |
| 23:22.44 | jeffwheeler | peppe: so, I should use dd? |
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| 23:23.32 | peppe | jeffwheeler: hu!? file -s should show something more than that :-) |
| 23:23.56 | peppe | I wonder what's the meaning of that "no read permission" |
| 23:24.17 | jeffwheeler | peppe: nope; that's all :/ |
| 23:24.22 | peppe | jeffwheeler: ls -l /dev/sdb |
| 23:24.23 | peppe | ? |
| 23:24.32 | EmergeTW | wols, do you know how to set the ip of the default gateway that dnsmasq hands out? |
| 23:24.46 | jeffwheeler | peppe: 'brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 16 2007-03-26 18:02 /dev/sdb' |
| 23:25.27 | peppe | jeffwheeler: floppy? is that a floppy reader? |
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| 23:25.39 | jeffwheeler | peppe: nope; normal USB pen drive :/ |
| 23:25.49 | abrotman | have you considered dropping it in the toilet? :) |
| 23:25.50 | peppe | were you root or in the floppy group when you tried the file -s ? |
| 23:25.54 | wols | EmergeTW: dhcp-option=3,1.2.3.4 |
| 23:26.00 | jeffwheeler | peppe: root |
| 23:26.08 | peppe | abrotman: that's a pretty bofh-istic solution :P |
| 23:26.09 | wols | where 1.2.3.4 would be the defaultroute. as the conf file tells you |
| 23:26.11 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: not yet; I'll suggest it tomorrow :D |
| 23:26.18 | Chris_abyi | hi! I'm searching for a good tutorial how-to install a debian sarge i386 chroot on an debian sarge amd64 system.. the most important thing is just how-to install a debian sarge chroot..has anyone got a good link for me? |
| 23:26.34 | abrotman | Chris_abyi: ask #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net ... or |
| 23:26.35 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 23:26.36 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 23:26.39 | abrotman | check that second url |
| 23:26.45 | abrotman | or third |
| 23:27.15 | peppe | jeffwheeler: btw, is dmesg showing tons of error in the meanwhile? |
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| 23:27.41 | jeffwheeler | peppe: it hasn't shown anymore ouput since what I pasted |
| 23:27.45 | Chris_abyi | abrotman: thanks. hope the howto isn't down atm |
| 23:28.17 | Chris_abyi | it isn't. fine - thank you. :) |
| 23:28.39 | kofler | mfrisch: You still there? |
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| 23:28.59 | peppe | jeffwheeler: it is really strange that file cannot read the device. try reading some blocks from it with dd, then using file on them |
| 23:29.08 | mfrisch | kofler: I'm holding on.... |
| 23:29.22 | kofler | mfrisch: Holding... on? |
| 23:29.33 | peppe | something like dd if=/dev/sdb of=file bs=512 count=4 |
| 23:30.36 | jeffwheeler | 'dd: opening `/dev/sdb': No medium found' |
| 23:31.09 | karsten | Chris_abyi: appedix c4 of the installation manual covers chroot installs. |
| 23:31.36 | mfrisch | kofler: I don't know... |
| 23:31.45 | peppe | jeffwheeler: I really believe that the kernel sees that drive ... as an external floppy reader |
| 23:31.50 | peppe | :-) |
| 23:32.30 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: perhaps it has something to do with the "dead device" that dmesg mentions |
| 23:32.31 | jeffwheeler | peppe: huh... uh; that's odd; I'm gonna go eat pizza, sorry; I'll try to be back in about 30 minutes |
| 23:32.37 | peppe | jeffwheeler: how big is that pen drive? tell that your dog ate it |
| 23:32.37 | abrotman | PIZZA!!!!!!!! |
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| 23:32.41 | jeffwheeler | thanks for your help thus far |
| 23:32.41 | peppe | PIZZA!!!!! |
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| 23:33.41 | karsten | Is the dead device line the one you call where operators *aren't* standing bye? |
| 23:33.52 | karsten | s/bye/by/ |
| 23:34.15 | karsten | jeffwheeler: I'd say you don't have a /dev/sdb there. |
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| 23:35.19 | peppe | I think that those "dead device" are actually caused by the scsi subsystem going crazy because he's just unplugged the pendrive |
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| 23:35.27 | peppe | I get sometimes them too |
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| 23:36.27 | emergetw_ | wols, hmm, I guess that wasnt what I actually wanted to do. Basicly the network doesnt seem to be resolving external domain names |
| 23:36.37 | peppe | and please, don't tell *anything* about food, expecially pizza. I didn't eat anything since noon (and it's 1:30am here) |
| 23:36.47 | emergetw_ | wols, eg, if I try to go to google.com it wont come up |
| 23:37.18 | abrotman | peppe: so go get some ? |
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| 23:39.05 | peppe | abrotman: nobody here sells pizza at 1:37am of an ordinary boring tuesday |
| 23:39.34 | dustybin | does anybody know how to stop the /etc/resolv.conf from being wiped after a edit everytime i reboot? |
| 23:39.59 | abrotman | peppe: you live in a crappy hamlet |
| 23:40.58 | abrotman | peppe: really .. you live in that town and can't get food ? |
| 23:41.02 | markybob | what's a hamlet? |
| 23:41.06 | abrotman | dustybin: dhcp ? |
| 23:41.11 | kofler | markybob: A very small town. |
| 23:41.12 | abrotman | markybob: dictionary.com :) |
| 23:41.20 | markybob | abrotman, use normal words ;) |
| 23:41.22 | kofler | markybob: Also the name of a Shakespearean play. |
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| 23:41.34 | abrotman | markybob: cozy little town .. |
| 23:41.39 | kofler | That's a fairly common word... |
| 23:41.42 | dustybin | abrotman: yes |
| 23:41.57 | markybob | excuse me, then. |
| 23:41.58 | abrotman | dustybin: set the option in dhclient.conf |
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| 23:42.05 | dustybin | ok thanks |
| 23:42.06 | netman | is this normal, when I run top in the terminal, it shows I only have 25meg free of my 1GB ram. I'm only running xchat in Gnome and the terminal. |
| 23:42.10 | abrotman | kofler: it's not commonly used in the states anymore |
| 23:42.15 | peppe | abrotman: but it's my fault, I wrote my thesis since now :) and I think I'll buy some choco-junk at the choco-junk dispenser |
| 23:42.21 | stew | netman: yes /msg dpkg free memory |
| 23:42.23 | abrotman | oh good plan |
| 23:42.25 | markybob | netman, yes. it's supposed to use your free memory |
| 23:42.36 | kofler | abrotman: I live in the states and I hear it all the time. Don't generalize like that please. |
| 23:42.49 | netman | so its nothing to wory about? |
| 23:43.02 | markybob | netman, no worries |
| 23:43.23 | abrotman | kofler: i've never heard it in common usage in the states .. i can certainly generalize |
| 23:43.26 | stew | netman: its using the extra memory as hard disk cache to speed things up instead of letting it go to waste |
| 23:43.46 | wols | netman: it's something to worry about if it doesn't use all memory cause then it would sacrifice performance |
| 23:43.46 | kofler | abrotman: You can, but you wouldn't necessarily be in the right. |
| 23:44.05 | abrotman | kofler: having lived in crappy little towns for the better part of 30 years .. i will :) |
| 23:44.26 | kofler | Meh. |
| 23:44.53 | stew | netman: run free and look at the "-/+ buffers/cache" line, that one reflects the memory actually being used by applications |
| 23:44.54 | peppe | well Pisa isn't so small :) but on workdays fast foods and the like close at 01:00 at the latest |
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| 23:45.00 | torrrr | How do I make the two clipboard system united? |
| 23:45.25 | netman | hmm. ok. didn't realy relize that. I'm trying to figure out why this site can barley scroll up and down "its like I'm running a 386" http://www.myspace.com/coryhighfield |
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| 23:45.41 | abrotman | torrrr: if you can do that .. please let everyone know .. last i heard they were still working on the system |
| 23:46.05 | torrrr | abrotman, Ah |
| 23:46.21 | netman | stew yea there is 400meg in cache. |
| 23:46.24 | torrrr | abrotman, OK, I'll let you know if I find something |
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| 23:46.51 | markybob | abrotman, glipper works well for me |
| 23:46.57 | sprink_ | shouldn't dpkg-source be installed by default? |
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| 23:47.22 | torrrr | abrotman, I think it should be quite simple if there are two systems, to just have each copy operation update into both clipboards |
| 23:47.32 | force | if i apt-get remove apache2 apache2-common then apt-get install apache2 apache2-common, i do not see any configuration files in /etc/ which i would expect |
| 23:47.43 | abrotman | torrrr: see .. markybob says there's one! |
| 23:47.49 | abrotman | i just use the X method .. works fine for me :) |
| 23:47.51 | GPLGeek | How would I (in single user mode) Create a new tty session? or would I have to reboot |
| 23:47.54 | force | is there something i'm not doing correctly |
| 23:48.00 | lunitik | sprink_: probably not, as Debian isn't a source distribution |
| 23:48.05 | abrotman | GPLGeek: you've been hiding! |
| 23:48.14 | GPLGeek | yes |
| 23:48.18 | GPLGeek | very hidden |
| 23:48.25 | GPLGeek | how are you abrotman |
| 23:48.39 | gpm | hey guys, apt-listbugs is trying to use bugs.donarmstrong.net, is there a way to make it use bdo instead? |
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| 23:48.47 | gpm | er, s/.net/.com |
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| 23:48.50 | torrrr | abrotman, I like the X method, but sometimes it is not working for some reason |
| 23:48.55 | sprink_ | lunitik: Where is that package? Is it in Sarge? |
| 23:48.56 | abrotman | depends on the app |
| 23:49.08 | lunitik | sprink_: it's not a package |
| 23:49.10 | sprink_ | I can't find dpkg-source with aptitude search nor apt-cache search |
| 23:49.18 | sprink_ | ah that explains it. |
| 23:49.23 | torrrr | abrotman, I reamember now... the reason is that right button open a pop up menu |
| 23:49.26 | force | does anyone know why when reinstalling apache2 it does not repopulate /etc/ |
| 23:49.49 | sprink_ | lunitik: where do I get it? I seem to need it when using apt-get source |
| 23:49.50 | lunitik | force: apt-get remove doesn't even remove config files |
| 23:50.03 | stew | force: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 23:50.18 | dustybin | lunitik: apt-get remove --purge |
| 23:50.34 | lunitik | sprink_: all you should need is deb-src lines in your sources.list |
| 23:50.35 | sprink_ | Fetched 2717kB in 8s (336kB/s) |
| 23:50.38 | sprink_ | Fetched 2717kB in 8s (336kB/s) sh: line 1: dpkg-source: command not found |
| 23:50.42 | sprink_ | Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x nmap_4.20-1.dsc' failed. |
| 23:50.44 | sprink_ | E: Child process failed |
| 23:50.47 | sprink_ | opps |
| 23:50.51 | sprink_ | thought that was only 3 lines |
| 23:50.59 | lunitik | dustybin: I'm aware of that, he stated his command and there was no --purge :/ |
| 23:51.01 | force | cheers |
| 23:51.11 | bzed | dpkg, ping |
| 23:51.12 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:51.17 | sprink_ | lunitik: I do and I get the error above |
| 23:51.19 | markybob | sprink_, install dpkg-dev ? |
| 23:51.19 | abrotman | GPLGeek: probably with 'man getty' |
| 23:51.22 | torrrr | glipper isn't stable yet |
| 23:51.44 | lunitik | torrrr: it's functional enough... |
| 23:51.53 | stew | sprink_: is the dpkg-dev package installed? |
| 23:52.17 | sprink_ | stew: nope |
| 23:52.22 | GPLGeek | abrotman, thx |
| 23:52.25 | torrrr | lunitik, I am afraid it would bring my system down :8 |
| 23:52.42 | stew | !b-e sprink_ |
| 23:52.43 | dpkg | sprink_: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 23:52.49 | markybob | i've never had glipper bring down my system |
| 23:52.50 | lunitik | torrrr: it didn't for me |
| 23:52.57 | lunitik | torrrr: it's a tiny utility |
| 23:52.59 | sprink_ | thanks markybob & stew |
| 23:53.04 | kalila | Gnome is year forward of KDE, HIG and neatness |
| 23:53.10 | torrrr | lunitik, is there a package for debian? |
| 23:53.14 | lunitik | kalila: lol |
| 23:53.16 | kalila | s/year/years |
| 23:53.25 | mfrisch | you can use basket for you clipboard |
| 23:53.31 | kalila | wake me up when KJDe menus are less than 15 items long |
| 23:53.35 | kalila | KDE* |
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| 23:54.01 | abrotman | lunitik: it wouldn't be a problem if they all obeyed the X clipboard .. but kde had to ruin that .. |
| 23:54.01 | netman | I installed sarge, this was my first attempt seting up debian. It was far easier than I had expected. Though It seems quite out of date compared to the other "user friendly" Distro's I tried before this. I'm now downloading the Testing version. Would you all recomend sticking with Testing rather than Stable? |
| 23:54.18 | lunitik | kalila: oh no, can't have more functionality with a smaller memory footprint... whatever will we do with a desktop that enables the user instead of crippling them? |
| 23:54.32 | rahul | netman: why would you _download_ testing? |
| 23:54.41 | rahul | netman: just upgrade... |
| 23:54.45 | lunitik | abrotman: lol... klipper is... how old? X Clipboard is... how old? |
| 23:55.01 | abrotman | X clipboard predates KDE |
| 23:55.05 | rahul | netman: and if you don't need the utmost in stability, testing is fine, except that it can lag in security updates |
| 23:55.06 | bzed | netman: and while you're at it do something good for debian and have a look if there's anything missing on http://wiki.debian.org/Sarge2EtchUpgradeBlackboard ;) |
| 23:55.23 | netman | rahul I guess I'm still a newb. didn't know that was possible. |
| 23:55.43 | kalila | lunitik: specifics? that argument is pretty popular yet somewhat worthless. I need a desktop to work not to tweak every pixel of the screen in 10 different ways |
| 23:55.48 | rahul | netman: uh... it's the whole point, heh |
| 23:55.58 | lunitik | abrotman: everyone I've seen discuss X clipboard says it's very broken... barely functional... so idk |
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| 23:56.13 | abrotman | lunitik: copy/paste is hard! :) |
| 23:56.35 | kalila | X clipboard is not broken, in modern DE's (at least Gnome) there are simply to cliboard buffers, the DE's one and X's |
| 23:56.39 | abrotman | lunitik: and according to the KDE guys .. everything is broken unless it's in KDE .. so that's not a very good source :) |
| 23:56.40 | netman | I need to get comfortable with this whole setup from scratch thing. I'll contribute if I can. *shrugs* |
| 23:56.41 | kalila | two* |
| 23:56.41 | rahul | actually, X clipboard is a pain |
| 23:56.50 | rahul | X primary selection is easy. |
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| 23:56.58 | lunitik | kalila: *gasp* KDE users don't spend much time tweaking either... other than when they initially install it |
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| 23:57.15 | netman | how do I go about upgrading? is it just the name in the sources.list? |
| 23:57.28 | lunitik | abrotman: Apparently, because Gnome sure can't figure out how to do it correctly (losing the data when you close the application for instance) |
| 23:57.29 | abrotman | !tell netman about sarge->etch |
| 23:57.33 | limpio | hi, can somebody post one line of the sources.list, i got something missing... thx |
| 23:57.43 | abrotman | lunitik: uhm .. doesn't happen to me .. but you have all kinds of issues :) |
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| 23:57.54 | kalila | FUD |
| 23:57.56 | torrrr | how is PAM done these days? I am looking at some line db_load -T -t hash.... what package is that? |
| 23:57.57 | kalila | i tell ya :) |
| 23:58.21 | kalila | anyway, anyone else having problems getting mail through pop.googlemail.com ? (gmail pop) |
| 23:58.24 | lunitik | abrotman: copy something in gedit ... close gedit ... try to paste into OO.o or something... it won't work (at least without something like glipper) |
| 23:58.39 | abrotman | works fine ... you're nuts |
| 23:58.46 | kalila | just tried it... |
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| 23:58.48 | kalila | works fine |
| 23:59.08 | lunitik | It doesn't work... because Gnome doesn't provide a clipboard daemon. |
| 23:59.17 | rahul | lunitik: seriously, it's not sunday any more |
| 23:59.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:59.39 | lunitik | Only way it will is with software not included in Gnome being installed.... |
| 23:59.44 | kalila | HAHA another one of KDE's gems, EVERYTHING is a daemon |
| 23:59.46 | lunitik | !tell rahul about monday |
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| 23:59.51 | rahul | !penixstrike lunitik |
| 23:59.52 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking lunitik to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:59.54 | kalila | I tell you I just tried it, works fine |
