| 00:00.05 | abrotman | argh .. no #food or #cooking or #epicurean |
| 00:00.41 | jeffwheeler | back |
| 00:00.41 | lunitik | kalila: you're lying... it simply doesn't work in Gnome... and Gnome developers complain regularly about the missing functionality |
| 00:01.26 | kalila | thank you, I know I just tried it, so you can keep your sleazy FUD ways thank you. |
| 00:01.52 | dkr | well it could work find if you only ever use english and no unicode symbols. :) |
| 00:02.06 | lunitik | kalila: I can find bug reports if you'd like? I could probably find recent blog entries from Gnome devels too |
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| 00:02.11 | h00t | when i try to create symlink as this "ln -s /home/h00t/.amule/Incoming /home/h00t/Incoming" I get this situation "/home/h00t/Incoming/Incoming" can i just make it the same folder instead of symlink being like parent folder of the other |
| 00:02.20 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: can you restart your box .. or try replugging the usb device |
| 00:02.32 | rahul | h00t: rmdir /home/h00t/Incoming |
| 00:02.33 | jeffwheeler | sure, I can do both |
| 00:02.35 | jeffwheeler | brb |
| 00:02.45 | kalila | lunitik: try it now, I don't know what you are talking about. Copy text from gedit -> close gedit -> open evolution -> new message, -> paste: it's there |
| 00:03.11 | torrrr | "<abrotman> works fine ... you're nuts" to lunitik. :D histerical hahaha |
| 00:03.20 | stew | lunitik: is correct |
| 00:03.26 | lunitik | kalila: do you have something like Glipper installed? |
| 00:03.29 | stew | assuming he is talking about the clipboard |
| 00:03.35 | h00t | rahul ... what's the point of that ... I want "that" directory to point to content of ~/.amule/Incoming |
| 00:03.36 | lunitik | stew: yes |
| 00:03.53 | kalila | nope, nothing extra that I'm aware of |
| 00:04.11 | rahul | h00t: so rmdir it |
| 00:04.25 | rahul | h00t: and then re-create it as a symlink |
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| 00:04.46 | kalila | you're probably talking about copyuing from evolution, which gave me problems sometimes that I coudn't replicate |
| 00:04.48 | stew | actually it works the same way with the selection as the clipboard |
| 00:04.55 | lunitik | Hmm... apparently a clipboard manager was added to Gnome 2.12, however I've used each version since without this working |
| 00:05.12 | abrotman | lunitik: recant! :) |
| 00:05.19 | kalila | good, now it's good to check facts before spewing things like this |
| 00:05.26 | stew | abrotman: i get the behavior lunitik describes |
| 00:05.29 | h00t | rahul ... how can i unhook it ... it says it's "not empty" |
| 00:05.36 | torrrr | anyone knows db_load? |
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| 00:06.11 | mfrisch | torrrr: quit cussing |
| 00:06.20 | rahul | h00t: remove what's in it |
| 00:06.34 | abrotman | stew: then i guess we should figure out why yours works and kalila's doesn't |
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| 00:06.56 | markybob | lunitik, yeah, they claim that...i've never really had it work :) |
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| 00:07.05 | h00t | rahul: what's in it is the content of ~/.amule/Incoming ... which is around 300 files |
| 00:07.09 | DragonD | How do i update spamassassin signatures? |
| 00:07.14 | h00t | rahul: can I just unhook it |
| 00:07.15 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: alright, back up |
| 00:07.16 | rahul | h00t: that makes no sense |
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| 00:07.24 | stew | kalila: i did exactly what you described with both evolution and what lunitik described with OO.o and i get the behaviour lunitik describes |
| 00:07.27 | rahul | h00t: rm whatever links are in there |
| 00:07.40 | netman | my scroll wheel on my mouse doesn't work. I selected it when I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. is there anything else I can check into to get it working? |
| 00:07.51 | bzed | DragonD: man sa-update |
| 00:08.16 | stew | netman: what protocol did you select for your mouse? |
| 00:08.22 | kalila | stew: copying from gedit to evolution? |
| 00:08.23 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: now if you plug it in .. what happens ? |
| 00:08.23 | netman | auxps |
| 00:08.31 | stew | kalila: yes |
| 00:08.39 | kalila | are you using Gnome all or the applciations through KDE? |
| 00:08.45 | netman | stew auxps is what I selected and than ps2 |
| 00:08.45 | stew | kalila: neither |
| 00:08.50 | DragonD | bzed: i don't have sa-update |
| 00:08.52 | kalila | so? |
| 00:08.56 | cockroach | hrm, i have a weird xorg issue (machine freshly upgraded from xfree): after I log in, the display quality is absolutely terrible (using tfts at 1280x1024). after I "change" the resolution to "1280x1024@60" (with the xfce display tool) everything is perfect. am I right in assuming that there's probably a wrong refresh rate? |
| 00:09.08 | bzed | DragonD: are you on sarge? |
| 00:09.10 | stew | netman: use imps/2 not ps/2 |
| 00:09.21 | DragonD | bzed: yeah |
| 00:09.29 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: oh, I left it while rebooting; want me to look at dmesg after unplugging it again? |
| 00:09.39 | abrotman | after replugging .. yes |
| 00:09.49 | bzed | DragonD: then I have no clue, sorry. |
| 00:09.52 | netman | k will try that thanks. I'll be back when in a few. after the upgrade and change my mouse to imps/2. thanks again everyone. |
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| 00:10.05 | stew | kalila: so i'm saying that lunitik is correct and your accusations that he is "spewing" "FUD" and is "sleazy" are not well founded |
| 00:10.39 | kingsley | Has anyone here noticed that 2.6.18-4-k7 breaks the mouse's pointer? |
| 00:10.47 | abrotman | stew: it did work here .. |
| 00:10.51 | lunitik | stew: thank you |
| 00:10.57 | abrotman | still FUD! |
| 00:11.03 | abrotman | it's just inconsistent fud :) |
| 00:11.04 | kalila | stew: well, given that 1) I'm running a pretty much fresh gnome-2-16 2) the problem does not occur here with no clip software, then that must be it |
| 00:11.16 | lunitik | abrotman: it'll only work if you have an additional tool to manage this, or you left gedit open. |
| 00:11.32 | kalila | stew: you still haven't answered, how are you running the applications?which DE? |
| 00:11.32 | abrotman | lunitik: AFAIK .. i have no additional tool .. and i did close it |
| 00:11.43 | kalila | lunitik: neither |
| 00:11.51 | stew | kalila: i ran the applications by typing them into a shell. I'm not running a DE |
| 00:11.54 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5829 should be enough |
| 00:12.12 | kalila | stew: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA so stop right there thank you |
| 00:12.16 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: now if you try to mount it |
| 00:12.17 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:12.20 | stew | kalila: ? |
| 00:12.20 | kalila | you're not running _gnome_, period |
| 00:12.33 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: from /dev/sda? |
| 00:12.45 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: i thought it was sdb |
| 00:13.06 | h00t | got it |
| 00:13.18 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: appears to be sda on this boot; I disonnected the printer when I booted (for other reasons), so I'm guessing that's why it changed around after rebooting |
| 00:13.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:13.24 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:13.32 | netman | couple more questions about this upgrade. all the repositories in sources.list are from the DVD's other than 1 that I entered. should I change every entry of stable or sarge to etch and hope for the best? |
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| 00:14.05 | dkr | dpkg: tell netman about sarge->etch |
| 00:14.07 | abrotman | netman: paste your sources somewhere |
| 00:14.12 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:14.13 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:14.22 | lunitik | stew: ahh, I stated 'default gnome' ... I'm fairly sure GTK handles this functionality Gnome and others, but your use case doesn't match what I described |
| 00:14.31 | netman | dkr someone sent me that already. |
| 00:14.34 | abrotman | FUD! :) |
| 00:14.43 | abrotman | netman: please paste your sources at http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 00:14.44 | netman | abrotman can I msg you them? |
| 00:14.51 | netman | ok |
| 00:14.51 | seth1246 | How can I use apt-get or apt-cache from the command line to see if a package is installed? |
| 00:14.58 | abrotman | netman: i'd rather you put them in #flood if you can't find a browser that works |
| 00:15.05 | abrotman | seth1246: dpkg -l <pkg> |
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| 00:15.14 | stew | seth1246: "apt-cache policy packagename" look at the line that says Installed: |
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| 00:15.56 | lunitik | abrotman: It's not FUD at all. Gnome in Sid as of about 4 days ago displays the same issue... however stew's scenario doesn't match what I said... |
| 00:16.17 | jeffwheeler | `mount -t usbfs /dev/sda /mnt/`, right? With vfat, it tells me that no medium was found. With usbfs, it doesn't give any error, but it seems the two internal drives that GNOME had auto-mounted disconnected, and there's a strange dir structure in /mnt/. |
| 00:16.24 | abrotman | lunitik: did i mention i really lost interest quite a while ago and i'm just being a thorn in your side :) |
| 00:16.35 | kalila | lunitik: if one is not running gnome desktop at all (no gnome-session to begin with), starts gedit, and copies, then closes gedit, how can you expect it to hold the text when there is no gnome software up whatsover? |
| 00:16.41 | netman | abrotman http://channels.debian.net/paste/5830 |
| 00:16.50 | kalila | probably meant stew |
| 00:17.08 | abrotman | netman: you only need to change the ftp/http sources |
| 00:17.09 | lunitik | abrotman: heh... I just think it's strange that Gnome _makes_ you perform tasks a certain way... it's annoying. |
| 00:17.22 | stew | kalila: lunitik: i get the same behaviour with gnome running |
| 00:17.35 | abrotman | lunitik: it does work for me .. but who knows why .. and i don't care enough to really find any more info about it :) |
| 00:17.48 | kalila | I don't, I really don't, whatever you're doing really |
| 00:17.51 | netman | abrotman ok. i don't need to add anything more? thanks. |
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| 00:18.04 | kalila | well here is a nice anecdotal thing about KDe from me then : |
| 00:18.10 | stew | kalila: you are also running a version of gnome not in debian, so who knows |
| 00:18.28 | kalila | gnome-2-16, you know, about 7 monthes old |
| 00:18.42 | stew | !info gnome-session unstable |
| 00:18.48 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-6 (sid), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 2372 kB |
| 00:18.48 | lunitik | kalila: all you can say about KDE is that it has too much functionality... sorry it hurts your little brain |
| 00:19.05 | Ronin | too much functionality? thats a new one |
| 00:19.06 | markybob | oh c'mon, now |
| 00:19.07 | kalila | one refers to latest release from _upstream_ when talking about some software, otherwise you'd have to specify that |
| 00:19.18 | markybob | there's no need for insults about kde vs gnome in #debian |
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| 00:19.40 | kalila | lunitik: I'm not sure if you'll call this extra functuionality |
| 00:19.42 | stew | kalila: no, in here one would assume you are talking about a version that is in debian unless you specify otherwise |
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| 00:19.56 | kingsley | I'm back |
| 00:19.56 | lunitik | kalila: that's fine... I've used 2.18 with the same issue... I used most of the 2.17 branch |
| 00:20.14 | lunitik | kalila: on 3 different distro's, the same issue is there. |
| 00:20.22 | netman | abrotman can I get your aproval on this before I go ahead? http://channels.debian.net/paste/5831 |
| 00:20.27 | abrotman | sure! |
| 00:20.51 | kalila | lunitik: whatever, I won't call you a liar, but that doesn't happen here whatsover |
| 00:20.51 | lunitik | (OpenSUSE, Fedora and Ubuntu... Debian doesn't have that branch) |
| 00:20.51 | abrotman | netman: i'd comment out the CD sources .. but otherwise looks fine |
| 00:20.56 | mfrisch | abrotman: you got a friend ;-) |
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| 00:21.11 | abrotman | mfrisch: and yet .. i have no beer ... |
| 00:21.19 | netman | abrotman ok cool thanks. |
| 00:21.27 | markybob | abrotman, i thought you were a wine guy, anyway? |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | markybob: i'm more of an alcohol type of person :) |
| 00:21.48 | markybob | heh :) |
| 00:21.57 | kalila | so I run KDE, play with konqueror, I notice that there is no sound, i play some media files, no sound, got bored and decided that I should switch to my lovely DE, upon pressing logout, i get a loud BANG of about 100 error message sounds and other system sounds, presumaly some sound server screwed up and left them till the end |
| 00:22.03 | kalila | it was wild ;-) |
| 00:22.27 | bolt | wine.c: #include "alcohol.h" |
| 00:22.36 | kingsley | Is anyone here using kernel 2.6.18-4-k7? If so, does it work OK? |
| 00:22.41 | lunitik | kalila: don't use arts :/ |
| 00:22.41 | abrotman | markybob: it's usually beer or wine .. |
| 00:22.48 | stew | kingsley: yes, works fine |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | kingsley: didn't you just ask that ? |
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| 00:22.57 | lunitik | kalila: especially not without it being able to access /dev/dsp |
| 00:22.59 | stew | kingsley: is mousedev loaded? |
| 00:23.09 | kalila | lunitik: I changed none, I just logged in from a fresh reboot, just wanted to try anyway |
| 00:23.19 | lunitik | kalila: arts SUCKS, no one will disagree there.... guess what? It's being removed |
| 00:24.12 | lunitik | kalila: what you described is a known issue... arts will play every sound requested of it during the session once it regains control of /dev/dsp ... |
| 00:24.16 | kingsley | stew: Thanks. I'm not using it, but at least one user reported that 2.6.18-4 freezes the mouse's pointer. Are you using X? |
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| 00:24.55 | stew | kingsley: freezes? like it was working then at some point stopped working during the same session? |
| 00:25.04 | kalila | good, I'll reconsider KDE when that gets sorted out (I'll have to ignore the plastic shiny everywhere, the Knames, the inconsistent UI and the long menus), I promise I will reconsider |
| 00:25.09 | stew | kingsley: i've had no problems with the mouse in x or with gpm |
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| 00:25.28 | frankr | kalila, never |
| 00:25.40 | stew | lunitik: kalila: interesting, so now with a fresh session my clipboard contents are surviving |
| 00:26.05 | lunitik | kalila: plastic shiny... being the default theme? umm, you know what defaults are there for, right? |
| 00:26.08 | stew | first time i just quit my wm and started gnome-session, this time i put gnome-sesion in .xession and restarted x |
| 00:26.10 | kingsley | stew: The bug reporter indicated that the mouse works with other kernel versions, but is permanently fozen with 2.6.18-4. |
| 00:26.24 | netman | ok here goes. be back later. :) |
| 00:26.29 | abrotman | kingsley: you mean it doesn't work at all .. right ? |
| 00:26.38 | kalila | stew: interesting, thanks for checking it out |
| 00:26.44 | kalila | lunitik: what other theme to use? |
| 00:26.46 | lunitik | kalila: as for Knames... Gnames are better? and long menu's? Evolution is part of Gnome last I checked |
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| 00:26.52 | stew | kingsley: make sure mousedev and psmouse are listed in /etc/modules if it is a usb mouse then usbmouse instead of psmouse |
| 00:26.52 | kingsley | stew: Right. |
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| 00:27.13 | stew | kingsley: sounds like mousedev is loaded but not psmouse |
| 00:27.22 | lunitik | kalila: personally I use Polyester ... there are many that might fit your taste though... apt-cache search kde-style for a list of some already packaged in Debian |
| 00:27.28 | sprink_ | is there a quick way to check if a list of packages are installed or not? |
| 00:27.44 | abrotman | stew: i thought they were all builtin |
| 00:27.49 | lunitik | kalila: you'd probably like QtCurve |
| 00:27.51 | kingsley | sprink_: dpkg -l pkga pkg2 pkg3 |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | sprink_: dpkg -l <pkg> or apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 00:27.53 | kalila | the Knames madness is way beyong any G madness, some gnome applications use the full name, not all |
| 00:28.03 | sprink_ | thank you |
| 00:28.17 | kingsley | stew: Do you use X? |
| 00:28.23 | lunitik | kalila: that is being addressed for KDE4 ... personally I think it's a shame |
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| 00:29.14 | kalila | evolution is the onyl one that has somewhat *medium* length menus, but boy I wish KDE's menus were a lot lower. HIG research suggests no more than 7, 9 max |
| 00:29.15 | lunitik | kalila: you haven't looked around KDE recently... cool |
| 00:29.25 | Regner | So, i need a bit of help, I can not seem to get ftp working again on my server. I had it working, not sure when it stopped working wich is making this very difficult for me. I am using proftpd, and when i try and connect to the ftp server it says "421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection" thats what i get from a console, if i try and connect from my windows machine it just sort of dies saying connection refused, but |
| 00:29.39 | Regner | hmmm that was alot longer then i thought |
| 00:29.44 | stew | kingsley: yes |
| 00:29.45 | kalila | lunitik: since the BANG? not really, but I'm firing an xnest now :) |
| 00:29.52 | kingsley | stew: Thanks. |
| 00:29.52 | stew | abrotman: it looks like mousedev is now but not psmouse |
| 00:30.10 | abrotman | cute |
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| 00:30.24 | stew | just the opposite of the sarge 2.4 kernel :) |
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| 00:31.03 | lunitik | kalila: No one really likes KDE until they start to realize the small things that make life so much easier... now I can't use other desktops without getting pissed off because of lack of certain things |
| 00:31.05 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 00:31.15 | abrotman | stew: would you like another pony ? |
| 00:31.26 | Azar | :) |
| 00:31.28 | Azar | horsie |
| 00:31.29 | stew | abrotman: http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/03/worlds_smallest.html |
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| 00:31.47 | kalila | lunitik: it's likewise for Gnome, some things just got into my flow and I can never do without |
| 00:31.51 | lunitik | kalila: If you don't try to find those features, you won't like KDE ... |
| 00:32.02 | netman | I forgot what to type to upgrade from sarge to etch, could someone send me that info again. |
| 00:32.06 | abrotman | stew: it looks like a fat rat or .. those things they have in south america |
| 00:32.11 | kalila | lunitik: such as? |
| 00:32.33 | Azar | gentlemen, ladies and others: you are invited to disclose to debian developers your experience with the UPGRADING your Sarge to Etch |
| 00:32.37 | mfrisch | stew: I've been pissed at my landlords lately...do you think they will let me get one! |
| 00:32.59 | lunitik | kalila: like what? I'm talking about window management things (middle click and right click maximizing horizonal and vertical) ... middle clicking desktop for a menu... I could go on forever... |
| 00:33.09 | stew | mfrisch: you can get a guidehorse, they wouldn't be allowed to prevent you from having a service animal if you need one |
| 00:33.20 | lunitik | kalila: even the fact that you can't detach menu's from the application is annoying to me.... |
| 00:33.25 | Azar | Call for testing of the sarge to etch upgrade path http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2337 |
| 00:33.25 | netman | abrotman can you send me that upgrade command again. I didn't write it down and forgot the second half. :\ |
| 00:33.27 | stew | mfrisch: http://guidehorse.org/ |
| 00:33.33 | abrotman | !tell netman about sarge->etch |
| 00:33.37 | netman | thanks |
| 00:33.41 | mfrisch | stew: I think it would kill me I'm on the third floor |
| 00:33.58 | kalila | lunitik: perspective, while you like those things, they are simply meh to me, I'm like: why would I want to do any of those? |
| 00:34.10 | abrotman | lunitik: they're going to lose .. why go ... |
| 00:34.35 | Azar | aaaaannnnnnnnddddd New Release Notes for Etch! http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html << whats new yumm |
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| 00:34.48 | mfrisch | abrotman: you've never been to phx...there crazy about sports. |
| 00:34.55 | lunitik | abrotman: verses Memphis? heh |
| 00:34.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:35.10 | abrotman | mfrisch: i'm a red sox fan if that helps :) |
| 00:35.37 | lunitik | kalila: you simply wouldn't use them because you're not used to it... because you're used to environments that have no such features, and still require more memory |
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| 00:36.04 | Azar | anndddd again "aptitude" : "aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get. If you are still using dselect, you should switch to aptitude as the official frontend for package management." |
| 00:36.16 | mfrisch | abrotman: I had a friend that would watch sports ALL day. He would watch bowling anything. A scottsdale fool |
| 00:36.28 | abrotman | freak |
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| 00:36.56 | kalila | lunitik: i don't know about mem differences, but if you're talking about < 50 MB differences that really isn't much at all |
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| 00:37.09 | DEinspanjer | I have a bit of an odd question. My newly installed Sarge server had a power failure, and when the maintenance person went to check on it, they must have closed the cd tray that had the install CD in it. I'm using a remote console daughter card to connect to the machine, and this particular software doesn't have access to the BIOS for me to change the boot order. From the install cdrom's... |
| 00:37.10 | DEinspanjer | ...ash (or anywhere else for that matter), is there a way I can abort the install and eject the cd? |
| 00:37.11 | kalila | I have yet to ever need to swap on this machine |
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| 00:38.03 | abrotman | DEinspanjer: eject ? reboot ? |
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| 00:38.35 | DEinspanjer | I selected "start a shell" from the install menu, and it dropped me to an ash prompt, but eject doesn't appear to be a valid command in that context. |
| 00:39.02 | abrotman | can you just umount the install media and see if that ejects it? |
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| 00:39.21 | kalila | ahh I guess another big hinder of mine is that KDE is not entirely localised in my language |
| 00:39.28 | abrotman | it also might not bein your path |
| 00:39.31 | mfrisch | DEinspanjer: hit the reboot button on the computer |
| 00:39.40 | abrotman | mfrisch: he's remote .. and the CD isin the drive |
| 00:40.02 | mfrisch | abrotman: oh. |
| 00:40.07 | abrotman | indeed |
| 00:40.11 | mfrisch | reboot |
| 00:40.33 | DEinspanjer | abrotman: Hrm.. I didn't check to see if there were other locations not in my path |
| 00:40.33 | abrotman | it's still in the drive |
| 00:40.44 | DEinspanjer | umounting didn't help |
| 00:40.59 | abrotman | hrm .. let me see if i have a sarge iso |
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| 00:41.34 | DEinspanjer | On the one hand, I'm happy it isn't a silly question, on the other, I can't believe I'm in a jam over something so simple. :) |
| 00:41.41 | mfrisch | DEinspanjer: is this a ssh install? |
| 00:41.51 | Azar | huh utf8 ? what is the difference ( how is better utf8 ) than iso-8859-1 ? |
| 00:42.17 | abrotman | in about ever ywhay ? |
| 00:42.19 | abrotman | every way |
| 00:42.21 | scv | bigger? |
| 00:42.48 | Azar | abrotman: is utf8 better to use systemwide? I usually only use it on my browser, and not very often.. |
| 00:43.06 | DEinspanjer | mfrisch: No, it is an install via a remote console daughter card. That means there is an extra card on the motherboard that has it's own power and ip address that I can use to view the console. |
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| 00:43.25 | bullium | good evening all |
| 00:43.33 | scv | i think utf-8 needs more cpu and memory resource |
| 00:43.46 | mfrisch | DEinspanjer: aah. I read there is a webui installer in the works |
| 00:43.48 | abrotman | DEinspanjer: the eject package and udeb are on the CD |
| 00:44.08 | scv | and more hdd space |
| 00:44.20 | bullium | Has anyone done a "rescue" using the 3.1 CD? |
| 00:44.44 | DEinspanjer | abrotman: Okay. I'll go dig up docs on how to get that running unless it is easy enough for you to give me a 1.2.3. :) |
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| 00:45.04 | abrotman | DEinspanjer: you could also ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:45.08 | abrotman | !tell xixor about root |
| 00:46.04 | DEinspanjer | abrotman: Okay, I'll check there if I don't find a quick answer. Thanks for the help! |
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| 00:47.18 | abrotman | DEinspanjer: the eject package is on the CD .. maybe you could copy it to /tmp/ and extract it and run the binary ? |
| 00:47.48 | abrotman | of course .. the device would be busy .. so it wouldn't eject it |
| 00:48.44 | Regner | could any one help me with proftpd ? i can not seem to connect to my ftp server |
| 00:48.56 | markybob | dont use proftpd |
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| 00:49.08 | markybob | use vsftpd, like everyone else |
| 00:49.08 | abrotman | it's proftpd or vsftpd! |
| 00:49.20 | Regner | hmmmmm |
| 00:49.32 | Regner | why vsftpd over proftpd |
| 00:49.41 | markybob | because it's better |
| 00:49.47 | DEinspanjer | abrotman: Do you know where on the cd it is? |
| 00:49.52 | sprink_ | is it safe or practical to install packages from unstable tree (using apt-get source) while running the stable tree? |
| 00:49.53 | Regner | that really tells me WHY its better |
| 00:49.54 | markybob | what am i your mother? go to vsftpd's site and read why |
| 00:50.11 | abrotman | DEinspanjer: in the pool/e/ directory |
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| 00:50.12 | abrotman | sprink_: no . it's a super bad idea |
| 00:50.22 | abrotman | !tell sprink_ about bpo |
| 00:50.26 | abrotman | !tell sprink_ about simple sid backport |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | use one of those |
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| 00:52.04 | sprink_ | abrotman: is it a bad idea just because it'll install duplicate versions of dependencies for things you already have and in the end cause system bloat? |
| 00:52.29 | abrotman | no .. mixing is *bad* |
| 00:52.40 | sprink_ | I did it for 1 package. :( |
| 00:52.51 | Guerin | sprink_: it's bad because it breaks your shit in horrible and unpredictable ways |
| 00:52.58 | sprink_ | hehehhe |
| 00:53.02 | Guerin | you might get away with it once |
| 00:53.19 | Guerin | but one day you'll be humming along merrily, and will find that libc is broken |
| 00:53.28 | Guerin | and then we will point at you and laugh |
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| 00:53.39 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 00:53.40 | bullium | how do I go about fixing a broken debian system using the 3.1 CD? |
| 00:53.44 | Azar | hmm I forgot how I did it last summer, so I will ask here: how is it wiser: upgrade to a 2.6.18 kernel while in sarge preparing for a dist-upgrade to etch, or is healthier to dist-upgrade to etch with a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 00:53.52 | sprink_ | lol |
| 00:53.52 | Guerin | bullium: use an apt-wrench |
| 00:53.55 | mynullvoid | bullium: what you mean by broken? |
| 00:54.04 | bullium | apt-wrench? |
| 00:54.05 | mfrisch | bullium: whats broke? |
| 00:54.10 | bullium | LOL |
| 00:54.13 | Azar | hahaha Guerin |
| 00:54.13 | sprink_ | I just thought that was how people made those packages for backports.org |
| 00:54.19 | Guerin | Azar: the latter. Note that you may have to uninstall the kernel (temporarily) for the upgrade to play nice |
| 00:54.42 | Azar | Guerin: ewwww upgrade with no kernel? |
| 00:54.43 | BlueParrot | bullium, depending on how broken your system is, a fresh install might be the easiest |
| 00:54.52 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:55.02 | Guerin | Azar: yep. |
| 00:55.03 | Azar | ok abrotman you tell meh please |
| 00:55.08 | Guerin | !wrench |
| 00:55.08 | dpkg | * HaQDaQ wants to use apt-get agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain greycat> HaQDaQ: then do so. HaQDaQ> it doesn't work anymore... dependency erros : greycat> HaQDaQ: fix them. HaQDaQ> greycat: how ? greycat> HaQDaQ: with an apt wrench. Are you going to ask any more stupid questions? * HaQDaQ is linux n00b, and how to apt wrench ? HaQDaQ> greycat: how to apt wrench ? |
| 00:55.18 | mfrisch | I smell a Windows IT Guy |
| 00:55.18 | DeFender1031 | hi, i have an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG. I installed the package for it, but it doesn't appear in modconf and i don't know how to get it to work |
| 00:55.18 | bullium | I just did a fresh install of 3.1 and I'm using a IDE drive to boot and have a RAID1 array with the file system on it...I breifly see grub but not fast enough to figure out what the problem is... |
| 00:55.32 | Azar | mfrisch: it is not his fault he got a bad education |
| 00:55.44 | Guerin | bullium: /boot can't live on raid |
| 00:55.45 | abrotman | Azar: you install the metapackage before you attempt the dist-upgrade |
| 00:55.51 | bullium | the RAID array is on a RAID controller card seperate bus from the booting IDE drive |
| 00:55.57 | abrotman | Guerin: it can on HW raid |
| 00:56.08 | Guerin | right |
| 00:56.10 | Azar | abrotman: uh what metapackage? first time I hear about this goodie |
| 00:56.13 | Guerin | but I bet that ain't what he has |
| 00:56.15 | bullium | Guerin: I know...thats why its on an IDE drive seperate |
| 00:56.21 | abrotman | Azar: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 00:56.25 | mfrisch | Azar: yeah but when none is better than one? |
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| 00:56.31 | bullium | abrotman: it is HW RAID |
| 00:56.37 | Guerin | bullium: and the kernel and such is all on there? |
| 00:56.46 | Azar | Linux egeon 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Tue Aug 16 14:00:15 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:57.17 | abrotman | Azar: first start with "aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-k7" |
| 00:57.28 | abrotman | and since your kernel is out of date .. it will install a new one o fthose |
| 00:57.29 | bullium | Guerin, the /boot partition is on the IDE drive as well as GRUB installed on the MBR of that drive...the rest of the system is on the RAID1 array |
| 00:57.37 | Azar | ahhhhh a surrogate temporary kernel huh? |
| 00:57.40 | bullium | Guerin, exactly |
| 00:57.51 | BlueParrot | DeFender1031, uhm, have you installed the firmware ? |
| 00:57.54 | abrotman | Azar: an up to date kernel ? |
| 00:57.57 | Faithful | sarge has no rc.local by default? |
| 00:58.08 | DeFender1031 | BlueParrot, excuse me? |
| 00:58.08 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 00:58.09 | dpkg | methinks ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
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| 00:58.27 | Azar | abrotman: you are right, I remember that I did waht you say back in August with my other Debian machine: upgraded the kernel first then dist-upgraded to etch and worked |
| 00:59.16 | BlueParrot | DeFender1031: there is a series of network cards by intel that require binary firmware which can't be distributed by the distro because of legal problems |
| 00:59.22 | markybob | Faithful, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 00:59.23 | BlueParrot | DeFender1031: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel#Intel_and_Free_software |
| 00:59.54 | bullium | Guerin, any ideas? |
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| 01:00.14 | Guerin | !fixmbr |
| 01:00.14 | DeFender1031 | so why doesn't the package tell me this when i install it? |
| 01:00.14 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 01:00.22 | Guerin | bullium: try that ↑ |
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| 01:00.35 | Saz|Laptop | so Im trying to install mono 1.2 on my sarge system, and it wants libc6 2.3.6-6 |
| 01:00.37 | BlueParrot | DeFender1031: I dunno, it might include the firmware for all I know |
| 01:00.43 | bullium | Guerin, I got only gibbirish after the "that" |
| 01:00.50 | abrotman | what is it about mixing tonight .. |
| 01:00.58 | Guerin | bullium: it's an upward-pointing arrow |
| 01:00.59 | Saz|Laptop | is there any way i can uprade libc6 without breaking everything? |
| 01:01.07 | Saz|Laptop | *upgrade |
| 01:01.07 | markybob | abrotman, good question. |
| 01:01.12 | Guerin | Saz|Laptop: only if you upgrade everything as well. |
| 01:01.18 | bullium | !fixmbr ? |
| 01:01.18 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 01:01.25 | Guerin | bullium: yes :) |
| 01:01.30 | markybob | abrotman, probably some smartass in #ubuntu told them to |
| 01:01.33 | Saz|Laptop | damn |
| 01:01.39 | bullium | from the boot: |
| 01:01.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:01.43 | Saz|Laptop | is there any way to get mono 1.2 on stable then? |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 01:01.50 | dpkg | i heard backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 01:01.57 | abrotman | dunno if they have 1.2 though |
| 01:02.01 | Saz|Laptop | they dont |
| 01:02.17 | Saz|Laptop | I guess i have to vanilla compile it then |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | ah .. i only see 1.1 |
| 01:02.33 | bullium | Guerin, where do I issue the !fixmbr command? |
| 01:02.34 | abrotman | !tell Saz|Laptop about simple sid backport |
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| 01:02.53 | Guerin | bullium: follow the instructions in the irc channel; |
| 01:03.02 | Guerin | it's a command to dpkg, who is a bot |
| 01:03.15 | DeFender1031 | BlueParrot, so this means what exactly? |
| 01:03.18 | mfrisch | Guerin: why can't he just use the rescue modes grub install? |
| 01:03.31 | Guerin | mfrisch: because he can't get into grub at all |
| 01:03.36 | bullium | Guerin, I don't see directions from the bot |
| 01:03.54 | Guerin | bullium: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 01:04.00 | bullium | mfrisch, how do I access the rescue mode? |
| 01:04.19 | Faithful | markybob: Thanks... I just copied it out of an etch box. |
| 01:04.23 | mfrisch | bullium: type rescue at the prompt |
| 01:05.00 | BlueParrot | DeFender1031: you need to install the package firmware-ipw3945 ( if it isn't installed already ) |
| 01:05.08 | bullium | mfrisch, I do and receive, "could not find kernel image "rescue"" |
| 01:05.13 | DeFender1031 | ah |
| 01:05.16 | DeFender1031 | hang on |
| 01:05.32 | mfrisch | bullium: what install cd? |
| 01:05.49 | bullium | mfrisch, 3.1rc0 I beleive |
| 01:06.11 | DeFender1031 | BlueParrot, it's already installed |
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| 01:06.17 | DeFender1031 | and still not working |
| 01:06.21 | BlueParrot | DeFender1031: hmm, not the problem then |
| 01:06.53 | bullium | Guerin, I'm trying it now |
| 01:07.34 | grew | hmm |
| 01:07.34 | BlueParrot | DeFender1031: I dunno. Probably some other problem |
| 01:07.35 | DeFender1031 | yeah, i know |
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| 01:07.35 | mfrisch | bullium: don't know. unless your install cd is messed up. it should be there |
| 01:07.35 | DeFender1031 | i'm trying to fix the problem |
| 01:07.52 | bullium | mfrisch, thanks for the attempt |
| 01:08.18 | mfrisch | bullium: do the other way ;-) |
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| 01:10.53 | curt | ot - does apache2 have support for X-Forwarded-For headers? |
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| 01:11.20 | DeFender1031 | so i guess this means that you guys don't know |
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| 01:14.25 | nu11 | guys |
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| 01:14.52 | abrotman | grew: they're being prepared .. or so it says |
| 01:15.14 | nu11 | i am wondering, how can I limit size of a log file so that if the file size is over it will do FIFO: I am using syslog |
| 01:15.18 | abrotman | !tell DeFender1031 about ipw3945 |
| 01:15.51 | markybob | what's the difference between the "Number concerning the next release" from here http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ and http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/debian/all.html ? why the difference? |
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| 01:16.31 | bullium | Guerin, I'm a little stuck on the second part "mount --bind /dev /target/dev" do I enter that litterally or is there supposed to be substituions |
| 01:16.47 | Guerin | literally |
| 01:16.56 | Guerin | unless your chroot is something other than `target' |
| 01:17.10 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, I'm following those instructions, but build-dep isn't working |
| 01:17.24 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 01:17.30 | Saz|Laptop | Im copying it now |
| 01:17.34 | Saz|Laptop | "E: Build-Depends dependency for mono cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements" |
| 01:17.43 | bullium | Guerin, it complains |
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| 01:18.40 | bullium | Guerin, its says --bind invalid option |
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| 01:20.00 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, should I get debhelper off of backports? |
| 01:20.29 | abrotman | does it give anything about the version it wants ? |
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| 01:20.43 | Saz|Laptop | no, just that error |
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| 01:21.14 | Saz|Laptop | there's an update off of backports |
| 01:21.18 | Guerin | bullium: man mount |
| 01:21.21 | Saz|Laptop | would it hurt to install that? |
| 01:21.24 | abrotman | you can try it |
| 01:21.32 | rm_you | Is there a package I need to install to allow nautilus to use ssh:// protocol? >_ |
| 01:22.10 | Saz|Laptop | well, that got me somewhere |
| 01:22.13 | Saz|Laptop | E: Build-Depends dependency for mono cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package dpkg-dev can satisfy version requirements" |
| 01:22.19 | rm_you | I can do ssh://user@host:22/path/to/folder on my ubuntu box, but for some reason it doesnt let me with my debian box :( |
| 01:22.21 | Saz|Laptop | guess I'll be playing the backports game |
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| 01:22.30 | davidb___ | hey all |
| 01:22.41 | davidb___ | anyone here ever setup User Mode Linux under debian? |
| 01:22.49 | Guerin | rm_you: it's probably some new gnome-vfs thing, ask #ubuntu |
| 01:22.59 | Guerin | !anyone here ever setup User Mode Linux under debian? |
| 01:23.08 | Guerin | hm |
| 01:23.11 | Saz|Laptop | ugh |
| 01:23.13 | Saz|Laptop | same error now |
| 01:23.14 | Guerin | !anyone use User Mode Linux under debian? |
| 01:23.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses User Mode Linux under debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:23.17 | Guerin | better |
| 01:23.18 | Saz|Laptop | this is great |
| 01:23.52 | Saz|Laptop | so what do I do now? |
| 01:23.55 | bknitram | What is User Mode Linux? |
| 01:24.21 | Grant2 | Guerin, do you know anything about setting up PPPOA on debian? |
| 01:24.24 | Guerin | bknitram: something you can google |
| 01:24.29 | Guerin | Grant2: nope. |
| 01:24.35 | Guerin | never heard of it |
| 01:24.50 | Grant2 | Guerin, PPP over atm :) |
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| 01:25.26 | Guerin | if I had an ATM, i sure wouldn't be trying to make it network |
| 01:26.10 | bknitram | ah |
| 01:26.20 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, any suggestions? :/ |
| 01:26.31 | Grant2 | Guerin, currently using PPPOE for my ADSL connection but PPPOA uses less bytes per packet .. |
| 01:26.41 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:26.52 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: can you paste the whole output ? |
| 01:26.57 | Guerin | if your connection is so slow it makes a difference, you need a new ISP |
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| 01:28.03 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, that IS the whole output |
| 01:28.03 | Saz|Laptop | before that it says "Building Dependency Tree... Done" |
| 01:28.03 | Grant2 | Guerin, nah jsut trying to make things more effecient :) |
| 01:28.03 | davidb___ | dpkg: hmm? why, is it crap or something? or you being sarcastic. |
| 01:28.03 | dpkg | okay, davidb___ |
| 01:28.03 | Saz|Laptop | which is standard apt-get output |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: did you do the deb-src line ? |
| 01:28.04 | Saz|Laptop | yes |
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| 01:28.22 | Saz|Laptop | "deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" correct |
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| 01:29.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:30.04 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: paste the full output of the build-dep command |
| 01:30.05 | abrotman | !paster |
| 01:30.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 01:30.58 | giod | hello |
| 01:31.01 | Saz|Laptop | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5832 |
| 01:31.18 | chronic1 | i don't have an ethernet card to install in my computer...aside from my wireless card |
| 01:31.23 | davidb___ | any good alternative virtual machine interfaces written in linux? what/how would you create a bunch of VMs on one box? any suggestions? |
| 01:31.36 | chronic1 | is there anyway to tell before hand....what all packages I am going to need in order to use ndiswrapper |
| 01:31.38 | abrotman | vmware ? xen? qemu ? |
| 01:31.43 | asc | On Etch, I'm trying to add an installed WM to the GDM menu. The guides I've found all mention files that don't exist; anybody know how to do this? |
| 01:31.47 | chronic1 | so i can get all needed packages after installing a base system via cd #1 |
| 01:31.55 | davidb___ | installer question - how long would the debian installer take to format/partition a 500GB drive? Mine has been going for almost an hour now. |
| 01:31.56 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: cute ... |
| 01:32.04 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: apt-cache policy dpkg-dev |
| 01:32.20 | Guerin | davidb___: depends. Was it blank? |
| 01:32.33 | davidb___ | guerin: yep, from the factory |
| 01:32.36 | giod | is there a way to set debian to copy a folder and move it somewhere else at a certain time everyday |
| 01:32.36 | Guerin | davidb___: partitioning - ~5s. Formatting - ~30s. |
| 01:32.41 | giod | for server backups |
| 01:32.54 | davidb___ | guerin: could a raid 1 controller interfere? hmmm..... |
| 01:32.55 | Guerin | davidb___: scrubbing existing data and/or doing a badblocks check - hours |
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| 01:33.21 | davidb___ | guerin: is this an option on the installer? i couldn't find it - to not do a 'badblocks' check. |
| 01:33.30 | Guerin | it is |
| 01:33.36 | Guerin | i forget where, though |
| 01:33.38 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 01:33.53 | Saz|Laptop | errrr |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:33.57 | rm_you | I can't get nautilus to browse other computers via "ssh://user@host" which works on other machines I have... Am I missing a package or something? |
| 01:34.00 | Saz|Laptop | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5833 |
| 01:34.06 | Guerin | rm_you: other debian machines? |
| 01:34.14 | rm_you | Guerin: no >_> |
| 01:34.16 | Saz|Laptop | update.onlinehome-server.com is what my hosting company put in my sources.list |
| 01:34.19 | rm_you | ubuntu... |
| 01:34.22 | Guerin | rm_you: i fucking told you to ask #ubuntu what package allows this |
| 01:34.26 | rm_you | riught |
| 01:34.28 | rm_you | and I did |
| 01:34.34 | Guerin | rm_you: go and do it - see if that package/version is in debian |
| 01:34.36 | Saz|Laptop | i updated dpkg-dev over sarge-backports |
| 01:34.37 | rm_you | and they aren't able to tell me anything |
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| 01:34.46 | Guerin | so how come you're still here? |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: what happens if you apt-get update .. does that deb-src line even work ? |
| 01:35.02 | rm_you | ... |
| 01:35.08 | rm_you | Maybe because I'm asking how to do something in debian!? |
| 01:35.11 | rm_you | Not ubuntu!? |
| 01:35.16 | Saz|Laptop | if it didn't, wouldnt update return an error on the last line? |
| 01:35.17 | giod | Guerin, is a little pmsy |
| 01:35.31 | rm_you | >_> |
| 01:35.37 | Guerin | rm_you: we don't know. If we did we'd have told you. As it is, you get to find out whether the right package/version is in debian. |
| 01:35.49 | Guerin | giod: i get this way when confronted with abject fucktardery. |
| 01:35.55 | giod | lol |
| 01:36.05 | rm_you | Well, someone ELSE might tell me, if you shut the fuck up for a minute and stopped yelling at me. |
| 01:36.16 | giod | can anybody answer my question |
| 01:36.36 | giod | is there a way to set debian to copy a folder and move it somewhere else at a certain time everyday |
| 01:36.36 | abrotman | rsync |
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| 01:36.50 | abrotman | and cron |
| 01:36.53 | Guerin | rm_you: unlikely, but knock yourself out. Bearing in mind that questions along the lines of `$foo can do this, but debian can't waaah' tend to be poorly received. |
| 01:37.03 | giod | which is eiser and how would i do so |
| 01:37.11 | abrotman | you need both |
| 01:37.16 | giod | i need to do server backups |
| 01:37.23 | giod | abrotman, oh ok |
| 01:37.43 | Guerin | giod: use rsnapshot |
| 01:37.46 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, nope, doesnt look like update returns any errors |
| 01:37.52 | Guerin | giod: it's all that and a bag of chips |
| 01:37.57 | rm_you | Guerin: well, if I go to Places -> Connect to Server, the option for SSH *is* there in debian, it just doesn't work. the only reason i mentioned ubuntu at all was so you would know that it wasn't a syntax problem with the URL I was using, or a problem with the remote ssh machine |
| 01:38.00 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: i'd use a real mirror for the deb-src line if you can |
| 01:38.18 | giod | Guerin, is that installed or do i have to install it |
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| 01:38.48 | rm_you | Guerin: and even though it isn't their OS that they're trying to troubleshoot for, the people in #ubuntu are a hell of a lot nicer than you. |
| 01:38.48 | Guerin | rm_you: ok, now we're getting someplace. Figure out what package SHOULD enable that functionality, and check the BTS entry for it. |
| 01:38.59 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, my deb-src line is us.debian.org |
| 01:39.01 | Guerin | rm_you: nice != effective |
| 01:39.04 | Guerin | just so you know |
| 01:39.11 | Saz|Laptop | that's pretty real |
| 01:39.14 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: now it is ? |
| 01:39.16 | Guerin | !htfswk giod |
| 01:39.16 | dpkg | giod: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 01:39.17 | Saz|Laptop | no |
| 01:39.19 | Saz|Laptop | it always was |
| 01:39.22 | rm_you | Well, no one actually knows. I figured it would be something along the lines of gnome*vfs or nautilus-* |
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| 01:39.25 | abrotman | let me see your sources |
| 01:39.42 | rm_you | but I have all of that installed |
| 01:39.47 | Guerin | rm_you: yes, I guess it's gnome-vfs too. Definitely not nautilus. Might be something about fuse too. |
| 01:40.03 | rm_you | well, I even have fuse + sshfs installed |
| 01:40.11 | Guerin | rm_you: ok. Check the BTS for gnome-vfs |
| 01:40.22 | hesco | If lsusb recognizes my camera, can I assume that libusb is doing it that is necessary to make the camera and a client application on this machine talk with each other? Or is it possible that lsusb could id the camera, but that hotplug is not correctly installed and configured yet? I'm trying to narrow down my issue between a usb interface one and a libgphoto2 one. |
| 01:40.40 | Guerin | hesco: the latter |
| 01:40.40 | giod | Guerin, let me rephrase that. Is that installed on a brand new install from the net disk with just gnome selected to be installed from the packages |
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| 01:40.55 | Guerin | hesco: all lsusb does is tries to identify what's plugged in |
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| 01:41.12 | aredhel | rm_you, go->location->"ssh://user@host" works for me, in etch. |
| 01:41.18 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5834 |
| 01:41.27 | hesco | Guerin: so if it sees it, that part is good, right? |
| 01:41.41 | Saz|Laptop | that deb-src line says testing |
| 01:41.47 | Saz|Laptop | but it WAS unstable a few minutes ago |
| 01:41.50 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: did you do that ? |
| 01:41.50 | Saz|Laptop | just so you know |
| 01:41.52 | rm_you | aredhel: hrm yeah... it should be working >_> I don't see any reason why it isn't (although if I did see why, I wouldnt be here) |
| 01:41.56 | hesco | My issue is then with libgphoto2 and its configuration? Is that right? |
| 01:41.57 | Guerin | hesco: yes, it means that data is traversing the usb link. It doesn't necessarily mean the device is wortking/will work, but it means your USB host is ok. |
| 01:42.06 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, do what? |
| 01:42.07 | Guerin | hesco: probably |
| 01:42.13 | hesco | perfact, that's what I needed to know. |
| 01:42.18 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: make all those deb lines ? |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: apt-cache policy mono |
| 01:42.28 | Saz|Laptop | no, it came with my image |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: is there an /etc/apt/preferences file ? |
| 01:43.02 | hesco | I gues I'm ready to call my client then. No need to futz with building a new kernel then to get udev, if the hotplug is doing it for me. |
| 01:43.42 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5835 |
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| 01:43.59 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: is there an /etc/apt/preferences file ? |
| 01:44.32 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: do an `apt-get update && apt-cache policy mono` and paste it again |
| 01:44.47 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: and the preferences file exists ? |
| 01:44.51 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, nope |
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| 01:45.03 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 01:45.28 | abrotman | (you can paste that single line in here) |
| 01:45.29 | hesco | Can anyone recommend a linux compatible media reader which will read a Sandisk? |
| 01:45.29 | Saz|Laptop | ii libc6 2.3.6-2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 01:45.33 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to work around the qemu bug that reports "While Initializing device CONFIGMG: Windows Protection Error. You need to restart your computer." while booting windows 98 under linux? Microsoft says it's a BIOS bug, but I didn't encounter the bug with an earlier version of qemu, and versions 2.2.1-2 and 2.3-2 of the bochsbios package both fail. |
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| 01:46.08 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: i thought you said you were running stable/sarge ? |
| 01:46.29 | markybob | !info libc6 stable |
| 01:46.34 | abrotman | 2.3.2 |
| 01:46.38 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 (sarge), Packaged size: 4911 kB, Installed size: 15624 kB |
| 01:46.38 | markybob | hrm |
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| 01:47.37 | Saz|Laptop_ | yay for crappy wifi |
| 01:47.43 | Saz|Laptop_ | abrotman, did you get my dpkg -l paste? |
| 01:47.47 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: i thought you said you were running stable/sarge ? |
| 01:47.52 | Saz|Laptop_ | I am |
| 01:47.56 | abrotman | no you're not |
| 01:47.57 | markybob | then you're an idiot |
| 01:48.00 | torrrr | anyone knows PAM? |
| 01:48.07 | abrotman | whomever set up your server should be shot .. with a large gun |
| 01:48.10 | markybob | torrrr, c'mon. |
| 01:48.33 | torrrr | whats the eazyest way to add pam auth for a program |
| 01:48.35 | Saz|Laptop_ | hurr |
| 01:48.42 | Saz|Laptop_ | whats the issue? |
| 01:48.52 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: do an `apt-get update && apt-cache policy mono` and paste it again |
| 01:49.01 | davidb___ | hey all - if my partitioning of my hard-disk is taking almost an hour (something is wrong), what can I check? BIOS settings? some install command line options on 'netinst'? |
| 01:49.11 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: you pasted the libc6 for unstable/sid .. not stable/sarge |
| 01:49.18 | torrrr | I have vsftpd, and I want to add authentication via PAM, and I see all kinds of db access's |
| 01:49.20 | abrotman | !info libc6 sid |
| 01:49.24 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (sid), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 01:49.24 | chronic1 | is there a listing of what packages are on what cd? |
| 01:49.32 | Saz|Laptop_ | is libc6 on backports? |
| 01:49.33 | torrrr | etc' |
| 01:49.34 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 01:49.34 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 01:49.36 | Saz|Laptop_ | it might have gotten it from there |
| 01:49.39 | markybob | torrrr, what the fuck? are you serious? |
| 01:49.46 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: then it would say 2.3.6-bpo or something like that |
| 01:50.00 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 01:50.01 | torrrr | and I wonder which is the most strait forward |
| 01:50.07 | torrrr | markybob, ? |
| 01:50.12 | rahul | my god, this week is going to be insane |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | rahul: wait til after release! :) |
| 01:50.23 | rahul | heh |
| 01:50.25 | markybob | :) |
| 01:50.36 | Saz|Laptop_ | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5836 |
| 01:50.49 | torrrr | !PAM |
| 01:50.50 | dpkg | pam is probably the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
| 01:51.00 | rahul | 1 band wed, 3 bands thurs, 3 bands fri, 3 bands sat. |
| 01:51.06 | sprink_ | I installed a lot of deps with apt-get dep-build <pkg> is there anyway to automatically remove those deps. I would remove them manually but I'm not sure if everyone of them in the dep list was installed and if so which ones |
| 01:51.11 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: okay .. really .. they should be shot |
| 01:51.19 | markybob | torrrr, you really think vsftpd, the most popular mail server out there, needs you to "add pam auth for a program" ? |
| 01:51.22 | rahul | that is, those are the ones I've met before |
| 01:51.26 | abrotman | firstly .. you're not running stable .. secondly .. their 'custom mirror' is severely out of date |
| 01:51.27 | markybob | torrrr, how about you read the vsftpd docs? |
| 01:51.34 | rahul | I haven't even though about who else might be playing |
| 01:51.34 | markybob | s/mail/ftp !! |
| 01:51.40 | markybob | sorr |
| 01:51.46 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 01:52.22 | torrrr | markybob, vsftpd (very stupid ftpd) has pam in the docs as the only way for virtual users |
| 01:52.25 | k-man__ | i'm trying to convince apache2 to execute perl scripts in /var/www/twiki/bin as cgi-bin, but it just serves them up as text |
| 01:52.50 | k-man__ | is there some trick I am missing? I have already set the SetHandler for that path, but it still serves the file up as text |
| 01:53.03 | torrrr | markybob, why do people responds with a question to a question? |
| 01:53.08 | Saz|Laptop_ | abrotman, it says it got libc6 from http://update.onlinehome-server.com unstable/main Packages |
| 01:53.16 | Saz|Laptop_ | you want the other lines? |
| 01:53.18 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: so what do you think that means ? |
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| 01:53.29 | Saz|Laptop_ | it means that it has unstable :P |
| 01:53.54 | markybob | abrotman, me too, i need one, too! |
| 01:53.54 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: and even worse .. what it really means is that if their stupid mirror were up to date .. you'd already have mono1.2 |
| 01:53.56 | kofler | Hmm, so folks who were trying to help me with the OpenSSH issues I was having, it turns out it was mostly a DNS problem. It's still not entirely solved, but I seem to be making progress :) |
| 01:54.13 | Saz|Laptop_ | they probably dont see modo as a priority |
| 01:54.24 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: their mirror is out of date .. badly |
| 01:54.34 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=mono |
| 01:54.42 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: it's so out of date .. mono1.2 is already in testing |
| 01:54.45 | Saz|Laptop_ | not a lot of servers use debian |
| 01:54.48 | kofler | What could this possibly mean? "Hostname cannot be canonicalized" Considering nslookup client_ip; nslookup client_dns; nslookup server_ip; nslookup server_dns; all return their appropriate corresponding values (ip -> DNS or DNS -> ip) |
| 01:54.53 | Saz|Laptop_ | (in this company) |
| 01:54.56 | torrrr | ok, I'll try to fish for an answer later |
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| 01:55.00 | Saz|Laptop_ | usually they give them FC4 and plesk |
| 01:55.09 | Saz|Laptop_ | Debian 3.1 is for minimal |
| 01:55.12 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: stupidity isn't an excuse :) |
| 01:55.16 | Saz|Laptop_ | indeed |
| 01:55.21 | Saz|Laptop_ | alright, so how do I fix this |
| 01:55.36 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: you take the gun .. drive down there .. and start shooting :) |
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| 01:55.52 | _slurpee | hi |
| 01:56.03 | davidb___ | is there any sort of quickformatter program/option when setting up the disk partitioning information (on install)? |
| 01:56.13 | _slurpee | I am having a werid issue with DHCP |
| 01:56.19 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: honestly .. you're out of date enough that i'm not sure having you fix your sources is a good idea |
| 01:56.35 | Saz|Laptop_ | hm |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: if you start using official sources .. things could go badly |
| 01:57.04 | Saz|Laptop_ | I dont know why i didnt notice unstable on the sources.list |
| 01:57.11 | Saz|Laptop_ | maybe I did and misread it as stable |
| 01:57.38 | Saz|Laptop_ | because no one in their right mind would use unstable in a server environmen |
| 01:57.43 | Saz|Laptop_ | *environment |
| 01:57.57 | _slurpee | we installed a new switch on our NAT'd network. I have come to realize the switch was misconfigured. I turned down the uplink to the switch on the core switch, so now the misconfigured switch is unable to get on line. Except I still have DHCP errors when I restart the DHCP service. any ideas? |
| 01:58.06 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: that's what we say! |
| 01:58.17 | _slurpee | i am running DHCP on an old debian box |
| 01:58.34 | Saz|Laptop_ | so what's the best way to go about this? |
| 01:58.36 | _slurpee | using dhcpd-2.2.x |
| 01:58.39 | Saz|Laptop_ | keep using my out of date source? |
| 01:58.52 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: call your provider and yell at them |
| 01:58.58 | Saz|Laptop_ | that comes later |
| 01:59.01 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: do you have data on the server ? |
| 01:59.04 | Saz|Laptop_ | yes |
| 01:59.06 | Saz|Laptop_ | quite a few gigs |
| 01:59.07 | abrotman | lots of it? |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | eh .. poop |
| 01:59.24 | Saz|Laptop_ | i've got like 10 domains I just got through restoring |
| 01:59.29 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 01:59.32 | Saz|Laptop_ | I imaged this server no more than a week ago |
| 01:59.53 | Saz|Laptop_ | if I have to do all that again that big gun wont be for them |
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| 02:00.09 | Saz|Laptop_ | brb |
| 02:00.11 | abrotman | they shoot you ? |
| 02:00.23 | Saz|Laptop_ | no, i shoot me |
| 02:00.30 | Saz|Laptop_ | :P |
| 02:00.45 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 02:00.46 | rahul | PORTABLE MOSH PIT |
| 02:00.48 | netman2 | I just tried upgrading my debian box to etch, and now it's dead. :( |
| 02:00.54 | markybob | rahul, who are you listening to, anyway? |
| 02:00.55 | netman2 | I'll be back later to talk about it though. |
| 02:00.58 | rahul | markybob: now? |
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| 02:01.10 | rahul | markybob: I'm getting warmed up for thurs |
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| 02:01.16 | markybob | rahul, yeah. figured it has to be some kinda punk/ska/whatever :) |
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| 02:01.28 | markybob | rahul, what's on thurs? |
| 02:01.32 | rahul | markybob: pandora happens to be playing zandelle, which is sort of iron maidenish |
| 02:01.46 | rahul | markybob: DEVOLA, DIVIDE, SNEAKTHIEF!@!@!#!@#~!#!@#~!~!@! |
| 02:01.50 | markybob | rahul, so we might never see you again? |
| 02:01.53 | markybob | :) |
| 02:02.09 | rahul | markybob: no, I'm not allowed to die till 2 days after my birthday, remember? |
| 02:02.13 | rahul | progpower usa. |
| 02:02.30 | rahul | I saw zandelle live about a month ago... |
| 02:02.32 | hesco | Can anyone recommend a linux compatible media reader which will read a Sandisk? |
| 02:02.50 | superjon | Hi, I'm trying to match first.last@host.com, first@host.com, first@sub.host.com, first.last@sub.host.com using regex and mostly have it working using "(\w+@(\w+\.)+\w+)", but that doesn't completely work. Can anyone help out a regex newb? |
| 02:03.01 | hesco | I have a client with a camera which is not listed in the libgphoto2 supported cameras list, which uses removable media. |
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| 02:03.31 | rahul | superjon: do you seriously think that will even cover half the email addresses out there? |
| 02:03.35 | Saz|Laptop_ | abrotman, besides, I dont think one guy who feels that FC4 and Plesk was lame so he decided to install Debian minimal complaining will make much of a difference |
| 02:03.46 | superjon | rahul: Well I have 4 domains to cover, so it doesn't matter :) |
| 02:03.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:03.48 | hesco | superjon: you'd at least need to get specific about which flavor of regex you are using? |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: they should at least know they fucked up |
| 02:04.02 | rahul | superjon: so hardcode those 4 domains |
| 02:04.02 | superjon | hesco: python re module. That is pcre I believe |
| 02:04.07 | Saz|Laptop_ | they fuck up all the time |
| 02:04.08 | rahul | fuck regex. |
| 02:04.10 | Saz|Laptop_ | i make sure they know this a lot |
| 02:04.20 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:04.35 | superjon | rahul: For what I'm doing, that is mostly right, but my regex is wrong |
| 02:04.35 | Saz|Laptop_ | but what can I say, they give me a good up and downstream |
| 02:05.28 | hesco | superjon: for perl compatible, PerlMonks.com is a great place to start |
| 02:05.28 | rahul | superjon: so don't use a regex |
| 02:05.28 | hesco | just don't tell them you are working in python |
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| 02:05.46 | Saz|Laptop_ | abrotman, so what should I do to save my server? |
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| 02:06.26 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: i really don't thikn you can .. you could try just going to etch .. and hope it all works well after release |
| 02:06.45 | maddash | ughh stupid system keeps locking up |
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| 02:09.08 | Saz|Laptop_ | abrotman, maybe, i know a few people that run on etch |
| 02:09.18 | Saz|Laptop_ | on a server environment at least |
| 02:09.41 | Saz|Laptop_ | i already use the latest server tools anyway |
| 02:09.48 | Saz|Laptop_ | but i compiled them all from the raw source |
| 02:09.52 | markybob | apparently your friends are also idiots |
| 02:10.01 | Saz|Laptop_ | they do it just to test :P |
| 02:10.14 | Saz|Laptop_ | they dont run them in a major production environment like me |
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| 02:12.14 | \amethyst | superjon: what was wrong with the regexp you supplied, other than that it doesn't allow dashes |
| 02:12.17 | \amethyst | ? |
| 02:12.46 | \amethyst | superjon: or many chars in the account |
| 02:12.59 | \amethyst | s/dashe/hyphen/ |
| 02:13.13 | maddash | l |
| 02:13.29 | superjon | \amethyst: it displays last@sub.host.com, name@host.com, but NOT first.last@host.com or first.last@sub.host.com |
| 02:14.02 | Saz|Laptop_ | abrotman, so basically remove all these onlinehome-server mirrors, change stable to testing, update then dist-upgrade? |
| 02:14.05 | superjon | davidb___: How can I print the whole email using that regexp? I was doing something like this: print [ s[0].lower() for s in re.findall("\b(\w+.*@(\w+\.)+\w+)", line)] |
| 02:14.06 | waspius | hello what is the command to make a process stop at a specific time??sleep 04:00 kill process id? |
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| 02:15.56 | rahul | waspius: man at |
| 02:16.18 | Saz|Laptop_ | the only major downside I see here is if I come back asking for help, I have to say Im running a server on etch |
| 02:16.20 | Saz|Laptop_ | then get berated :P |
| 02:16.27 | waspius | rahul: thanx |
| 02:16.37 | xsdg | rahul: that's what I was thinking, but I can't find atd in apt-cache (and it's not installed on my box) |
| 02:16.37 | \amethyst | superjon: ([\w.]+@(\w+\.)+\w+) then |
| 02:16.47 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: etch should be released within a month |
| 02:16.58 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: more importantly .. you have to remember that it won't be pure etch |
| 02:17.02 | Saz|Laptop_ | yeah |
| 02:17.07 | maddash | amphi: how low do you go when undervolting? |
| 02:17.09 | Saz|Laptop_ | it'll be etch with a dash of sid |
| 02:17.38 | xsdg | rahul: grr... I'm stupid; never mind |
| 02:17.40 | rahul | heh |
| 02:17.54 | Saz|Laptop_ | but like I said, most of the stuff I have installed, apache, mysql, etc, was compiled from the straight source anyway |
| 02:17.56 | \amethyst | superjon: still, it's a good idea use [\w-] in the nested expression, just in case |
| 02:17.58 | rahul | atd was determined to be overkill years ago :P |
| 02:18.03 | davidb___ | superjon: what language |
| 02:18.05 | xsdg | "oh" |
| 02:18.13 | superjon | \amethyst: THANKYOU SOOO MUCH! This is company formatted email so I know those are the only formats it will be |
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| 02:18.26 | superjon | davidb___: python. \amethyst |
| 02:18.33 | superjon | s regex worked perfectly |
| 02:18.36 | amphi | maddash: these are the freq voltage pairs I found stable (and now use), 1600000:1052,1400000:956,1200000:876,1000000:796,800000:732,600000:700 |
| 02:18.39 | xsdg | rahul: how does it work nowadays, then |
| 02:18.50 | Saz|Laptop_ | well, actually |
| 02:18.58 | Saz|Laptop_ | mysql 5.0 was installed via apt |
| 02:19.00 | Saz|Laptop_ | but I backported it |
| 02:19.03 | davidb___ | anyone know what the program that debian uses to do disk partitioning is? |
| 02:19.07 | Saz|Laptop_ | so I *should* be fine with that |
| 02:19.23 | rahul | xsdg: a cron that runs every minute |
| 02:19.23 | \amethyst | davidb___: cfdisk or fdisk |
| 02:19.27 | xsdg | davidb___: I like cfdisk |
| 02:19.37 | superjon | davidb___: parted |
| 02:19.43 | xsdg | rahul: aah; makes sense (a cronjob that removes itself?) |
| 02:19.56 | rahul | xsdg: no, I think it checks the queue every minute |
| 02:19.59 | xsdg | rahul: err; don't answer that |
| 02:20.00 | Saz|Laptop_ | what's the nano shortcut to delete one line again? |
| 02:20.05 | rahul | using crond instead of atd |
| 02:20.06 | xsdg | (yeah, I figured after I thought for a second) |
| 02:20.09 | rahul | heh |
| 02:20.30 | davidb___ | suertjon: parted, i think that's it. i'm getting this: "parted_server is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO" any idea on what in the hell that means? what to do? |
| 02:21.12 | maddash | amphi: @ 798000:796, my system runs mprime and irssi fine for the first 10 minutes, then crashes... |
| 02:22.28 | \amethyst | davidb___: old version of parted? |
| 02:22.34 | abrotman | keep using it unless it breaks ? |
| 02:22.58 | davidb___ | amethysyst: i just got the latest debian "testing" installer. |
| 02:23.05 | xsdg | abrotman: I assume deprecated interfaces aren't necessarily broken? |
| 02:23.24 | \amethyst | davidb___: what does dpkg -l parted say the version is? |
| 02:23.43 | \amethyst | xsdg: They're not necessarily buggy, but they might have a broken design |
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| 02:23.51 | \amethyst | xsdg: and they're likely to be removed in the future |
| 02:23.55 | xsdg | \amethyst: ::nod:: |
| 02:24.00 | xsdg | \amethyst: yeah, figured the latter |
| 02:24.12 | davidb___ | amethyst: can't run the 'dpkg' command yet - i'm still in the partitioning portion of installing the OS. any other command to get that info? |
| 02:24.31 | abrotman | xsdg: depends .. but i'd guess more "STOP USING THIS DAMN IT .. IT'S GOING AWAY!" |
| 02:24.33 | \amethyst | drop to a shell and parted --version |
| 02:25.25 | davidb___ | amethyst: GNU parted 1.7.1 |
| 02:25.33 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 02:25.58 | xsdg | there's a new major version (in experimental) |
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| 02:26.05 | xsdg | (that is, 1.8.x) |
| 02:26.36 | davidb___ | xsdg: hmm....wondering if i should just download 'unstable' then. i'd rather stick w/ testing if at all possible. |
| 02:26.47 | \amethyst | I'd heard of the problem in parted 1.6, but not 1.7 before |
| 02:27.29 | davidb___ | amethyst: yea, it's strange. never seen a "format" of a disk take so long. just trying to find problems. |
| 02:27.39 | xsdg | davidb___: ignore what I said; if you don't explicitly want things from experimental, you shouldn't grab things from experimental. |
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| 02:27.58 | davidb___ | maybe i could install "stable" and then change APT repository to 'testing' and do an aptitude upgrade. would this be advisable? |
| 02:28.03 | xsdg | (which is, to say, that experimental is a place to get things that have issues, rather than things that are "new") |
| 02:28.19 | xsdg | davidb___: for now, ignore it unless something isn't working |
| 02:28.47 | davidb___ | xsdg: aight :) |
| 02:29.32 | davidb___ | xsdg: just trying to debug this anomaly. The packages installer seems to be getting hung at the last package it downloads to install. not sure why, but i'm having to go through the OS install 3 times now. |
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| 02:30.13 | stas_v | hi, can anyone please tell me how to make SSHD start at computer start-up? the state reight now is off. |
| 02:30.23 | davidb___ | hmmm....looking at the "sarge" release. it looks like it might select the wrong kernel to install. |
| 02:30.38 | davidb___ | according to the errata. not sure what this might mean for me.... |
| 02:31.54 | abrotman | stas_v: dpkg-reconfigure sshd |
| 02:32.13 | superjon | stas_v: update-rc.d ssh defaults |
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| 02:32.46 | chronic1 | if it appears that formatting a partition has stalled/frozen -- but i still can switch virtual consoles....is there a way to abort |
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| 02:32.51 | chronic1 | and retry? |
| 02:33.08 | bknitram | kill it? |
| 02:33.19 | chronic1 | this is during install with disc1 |
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| 02:33.26 | chronic1 | (incase that makes a difference) |
| 02:33.41 | chronic1 | not sure of the run levels for the install script....didn't know if i could kill and then restart |
| 02:33.48 | davidb___ | chronic: what release? |
| 02:34.04 | chronic1 | sarge (r5) |
| 02:34.28 | davidb___ | chronic1: not that i know what the fix is- i'm having a "stalled partitioner" problem myself. |
| 02:34.41 | davidb___ | chronic1: i've just had to reboot, but not sure if theres a command. |
| 02:34.53 | chronic1 | the swap partition went fine |
| 02:35.03 | chronic1 | but then the ext3 (on hde) is stuck at zero |
| 02:35.09 | davidb___ | chronic1: did you put swap as the first, or last partition? |
| 02:35.14 | chronic1 | it is a larger partition (~160 gigs) |
| 02:35.21 | chronic1 | i did automatic/guided partition |
| 02:35.38 | Saz|Laptop_ | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5837 |
| 02:35.44 | Saz|Laptop_ | this is what dist-upgrade is gonna do |
| 02:35.48 | davidb___ | chronic1: do you see anyting in the alt+f4 window? |
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| 02:35.54 | Saz|Laptop_ | does it look safe? |
| 02:35.58 | Saz|Laptop_ | :P |
| 02:36.11 | davidb___ | chronic: as far as what its doing, or where it hung? |
| 02:36.22 | chronic1 | 0% |
| 02:36.43 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: of course not .. but you don't have much of a choice |
| 02:36.51 | Saz|Laptop_ | heh |
| 02:37.06 | Saz|Laptop_ | well if I break anything I have a serial console just in case |
| 02:37.19 | chronic1 | "Creating ext3 file system for / on partition #1 of IDE5 master (hde)..." |
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| 02:41.29 | davidb___ | chronic: is it possible it's just taking a reaallly loong time? i dunno - mine appears to be. |
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| 02:43.45 | bknitram | Wait 1 hour. If it is still trying to format then something is probably wrong. |
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| 02:45.06 | Azar | so if Sarge was almost double comparing to Woody... how big will Etch be? |
| 02:45.35 | jetscreamer | 200 gigs |
| 02:45.35 | jetscreamer | and requires 5 gb ram |
| 02:45.35 | Azar | wow nooo.. |
| 02:45.50 | Azar | base install... no .dm |
| 02:46.08 | davidb___ | .dm? |
| 02:46.14 | abrotman | !dm |
| 02:46.15 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 02:46.27 | Azar | btw I just updated openoffice yesterday... took like forever... 52MB |
| 02:46.43 | davidb___ | holy crap - my "partitioner" just finished. i've been waiting over an hour. whew! |
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| 02:49.20 | xsdg | davidb___: that doesn't sound right :o) |
| 02:49.34 | xsdg | davidb___: (unfortunately, I dunno what might be up, and I have to write this GSoC proposal :o) |
| 02:49.35 | davidb___ | xsdg: yes, i know. but i don't know what else to do about it. |
| 02:49.40 | Azar | interesting issues with the sarge->etch upgrade : http://wiki.debian.org/Sarge2EtchUpgradeBlackboard |
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| 02:50.19 | Viroo | hi |
| 02:50.32 | Viroo | does apt-get tell me the date i installed a certain package |
| 02:50.48 | xsdg | Viroo: you can look at the date on the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 02:50.57 | Viroo | or is there a way to get a list of my installed packages with the date |
| 02:50.58 | xsdg | Viroo: beyond that, I'm not sure |
| 02:51.09 | Viroo | ok |
| 02:51.29 | jeefers | real quick anyone know the command that will show you the processor speed of your machine |
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| 02:51.52 | markybob | cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 02:51.54 | lemur | hello |
| 02:51.55 | Azar | the interesting thing is that sometime back "aptitude unmarkauto" did not worked for me |
| 02:52.00 | jeefers | yep cool |
| 02:52.02 | jeefers | thanx |
| 02:52.04 | davidb___ | how can I tell what gets install under the "web server" configuration versus the "desktop configuration" versus "dns server" etc....? |
| 02:52.28 | Viroo | how about dpkg |
| 02:52.47 | Viroo | does dpkg saves a list of its installed packages |
| 02:52.53 | Azar | davidb___: I would assume the desktop option will install.... a desktop with all bells and whistles |
| 02:54.03 | lemur | davidb___: As a user, what I would do is either install the configurations and check the installed packages afterward just to see what happened, or (this is what I did) uncheck those configurations and install only the programs you want later |
| 02:54.53 | lemur | It's a lot easier on the disk space to just select the packages you actually use. Otherwise you'll get a lot of things on your system that will never do anything for you |
| 02:55.13 | Azar | it says: " for 2.6 kernel images this is needed because otherwise the dist-upgrade may try to uninstall them if the kernel was installed through a kernel-image meta package " abrotman what this means? http://wiki.debian.org/Sarge2EtchUpgradeBlackboard |
| 02:55.29 | davidb___ | what about the "standard system" install (i'm puting the 'testing' release on my box). do i even need/want that? or just go totally bare-minimum? |
| 02:55.47 | Azar | $(dpkg-query -W 'kernel-image-2.6*' | cut -f1) |
| 02:56.14 | abrotman | Azar: what does what mena ? |
| 02:56.28 | Azar | abrotman: the quoted sentence |
| 02:56.47 | abrotman | Azar: you need the metapackage for the upgrade |
| 02:57.07 | Azar | $(dpkg-query -W 'kernel-image-2.6*' | cut -f1) < what this does? |
| 02:57.29 | lemur | davidb___: I would install a minimum system first. Especially if you are running testing, you will soon need to download updates for nearly all your packages. If they are going to need downloading either way, might as well only install them once from the more up to date source |
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| 02:59.42 | markybob | Azar, it does what it looks like it takes. it adds the kernel-image-2.6* packages to aptitude unmarkauto |
| 02:59.43 | davidb___ | lemur: sounds good. i selected the "standard system" only. hopefully this'll work good. |
| 02:59.49 | markybob | s/takes/does |
| 03:02.35 | Azar | ..interesting thing it says that the dist-upgrade to Etch will come with a new upgraded kernel... never heard of this before |
| 03:03.28 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:04.37 | Azar | markybob: I will see but I have a strange feeling that unmarkauto will not work, as it did not worked on my other box when I dist-upgraded to Etch |
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| 03:05.04 | markybob | Azar, you should file a bug report if it doesnt work |
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| 03:05.55 | Heet | Why is the testing dvd bigger than 2^32 bytes ? |
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| 03:06.30 | ehc | can i make symlink with a name different than the dir it points to? |
| 03:06.42 | markybob | ehc yes |
| 03:07.10 | ehc | ln -s <to> <from> is what i have been using |
| 03:07.15 | markybob | ehc, ln -s /home/ehc/original /home/ehc/fooliowhatever |
| 03:07.40 | Azar | markybob: it was a situation when a security upgrade for xfree86 will fool aptitude into believing that xfree86 is "obsolete/not used". I tried to use "unmarkauto" with aptitude but did not work. So I filed a bug report and Daniel Burrows guided me through logs and fixed it. But not the unmarkauto thing. |
| 03:08.00 | ehc | markybob, oh so just append it to the <from>? |
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| 03:08.18 | chronic1 | does most everyone's computer hang on the insmod sr_mod |
| 03:08.18 | Heet | How am I supposed to download a dvd bigger than 2^32 bytes ? I only get a 300M file. |
| 03:08.30 | torrrr | anyone knows libpam-pwdfile? |
| 03:08.32 | abrotman | which directory ? |
| 03:08.34 | chronic1 | it doesn't freeze....just takes forever to get past the disc detection |
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| 03:09.04 | markybob | ehc, i dont understand what you mean, but my example will work. |
| 03:09.23 | blenna_unix | what is the difference w/ vmware server & player? |
| 03:09.24 | ehc | markybob, okay never mind. |
| 03:09.30 | markybob | and why are we talking about dvd sizes in bytes? |
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| 03:10.00 | markybob | blenna_unix, with player you cant make new virtual machines, basically |
| 03:10.12 | abrotman | blenna_unix: ask #vmware |
| 03:10.20 | markybob | and workstation has more features than server, such as file sharing between host/guest, etc. |
| 03:10.37 | Dewi | Heet: modern unix filesystems support files about 2^32 bytes. if you're using fat32 you're out of luck |
| 03:10.52 | Dewi | Heet: but whether your choice of file transfer protocol handles it, depends on what you're using |
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| 03:11.54 | Dewi | Heet: s/about/above/ |
| 03:12.06 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:12.30 | Heet | I have the dvd burner in my xp computer so i started the download from there. Ok thanx I try on this pc, then try to send it to my xp pc. |
| 03:12.31 | Dewi | torrrr: I do now, you just told me |
| 03:12.39 | ehc | if i want the link to move me to another location when i cd to it should i use a symlink or a hard link? |
| 03:13.25 | Dewi | ehc: symlink is enough for that |
| 03:13.30 | blenna_unix | markybob: how will workstation share files b/w a linux box and a guest windows os? |
| 03:13.38 | torrrr | i need to find out why my pwd file don't work with libpam-pwdfile Dewi |
| 03:14.25 | Dewi | torrrr: explain how it is failing and somebody might be able to help you |
| 03:14.25 | markybob | blenna_unix, you add access for it in vmware. vmware uses a samba-like thing internally to give you network access to your host |
| 03:14.45 | Dewi | blenna_unix: or you might find it simpler just to use samba itself (I do) |
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| 03:15.26 | Dewi | blenna_unix: actually it's probably less simple and slower. But still often I just use samba |
| 03:15.49 | Dewi | and rsync |
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| 03:16.31 | Kronuz | hello |
| 03:16.33 | torrrr | I did user:password in vsftpd.passwd file where password was obtained via this script : perl -e '$salt=q($1$).int(rand(1e8)); print "password: "; chomp($passwd=<STDIN>); print crypt($passwd,$salt),"\n"' |
| 03:17.14 | ehc | Dewi, it seems like there are two different path names that have the same information. i want the link (sym or hard) to move me to another location so that there is only on pathname that location |
| 03:17.25 | torrrr | and I put in /etc/pam.d/vsftpd extra two lines: |
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| 03:17.37 | torrrr | auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdfile.so pwdfile /etc/vsftpd.passwd |
| 03:17.37 | torrrr | account required /lib/security/pam_pwdfile.so pwdfile /etc/vsftpd.passwd |
| 03:17.47 | torrrr | and the login fails |
| 03:17.56 | blenna_unix | Dewy: anybody have luck with mounting a usb drive (tumbdrive) w/ vmware? |
| 03:18.09 | torrrr | is there a way to test the pam unit alone? |
| 03:18.56 | Dewi | ehc: if you add any kind of link to an existing object, there will be more than one because you just added one |
| 03:19.06 | Kronuz | hey, I have a RAID1 array but I'm doing some backup stuff and some files moving, and unfortunately I need the SATA port one of the two disks in the array is using (temporally) how can I put my extra drive there in the SATA channel (leaving the RAID1 array in a degraded mode) without the RAID1 software overwriting any stuff or anything in it (while trying to rebuild the array in there) |
| 03:19.10 | chronic1 | anyone with experiences with Sarge freezing on detecting disks/detecting filesystems? |
| 03:19.11 | Dewi | ehc: if you just want to move the object from one location in the hierarchy to another, use 'mv' |
| 03:19.15 | Kronuz | am I making any sense at all? |
| 03:19.21 | chronic1 | not really freezing...but taking a long long time |
| 03:19.22 | torrrr | do you know what is wrong withwhat i did? |
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| 03:20.03 | Dewi | blenna_unix: I've never tried using vmware's usb support |
| 03:20.09 | Azar | ok I am thick , abrotman what would be a kernel-image-2.6 meta package ? |
| 03:20.09 | Kronuz | I just want to make sure that if I take out one of my drives in the RAID1 array ad replace it with the drive I have information on, the RAID1 will automatically be in degraded mode and I won't lose any data in my other disk |
| 03:20.23 | abrotman | kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 03:20.32 | Dewi | Azar: a meta package which would install a 2.6 series kernel image |
| 03:20.43 | Dewi | Azar: except that's deprecated |
| 03:20.48 | Dewi | Azar: they are now linux-image-* |
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| 03:21.07 | Azar | abrotman: so there is no need to request a 2.6.18 specifically, just a 2.6.-k7 ? |
| 03:21.17 | abrotman | not that i recall |
| 03:21.18 | Dewi | Azar: er actually, maybe sarge still uses kernel-image... check both |
| 03:21.20 | Azar | oh yes Dewi |
| 03:21.36 | ehc | Dewi, so there isn't a way so: if i cd to ~/link-name it will take me ~/web/public/where-link-points instead of to ~/link-name/ as a dir? |
| 03:21.44 | Azar | Dewi: just taking notes about preparing for upgrade Sarge>Etch |
| 03:21.44 | Kronuz | ... or do I have to manually put one of my RAID1 disks in degraded mode before taking the other out and replacing it with the other disk? |
| 03:21.45 | Dewi | Azar: whatever detail you don't see will be filled in by the package manager to be the most recent |
| 03:22.00 | Dewi | Azar: you can be as specific or inspecific as you wanna be |
| 03:22.09 | Dewi | Azar: I think the more specific you are, the less automatic updates |
| 03:22.19 | Dewi | (because you've cut down the options to update to) |
| 03:22.27 | Dewi | Azar: but I might be inventing that concept... hmm |
| 03:23.09 | Azar | hmmm on the old computer I pointed sources to Etch, aptitude update, aptitude upgrade then upgraded the kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.16 then performed the dist-upgrade... it worked |
| 03:23.09 | Dewi | ehc: er... |
| 03:23.23 | Dewi | ehc: a symlink does take you there, but both names remain valid |
| 03:23.47 | ehc | Dewi, i do a pwd in each location and there different which concerns me. |
| 03:23.48 | Dewi | ehc: I think what you are really asking is why "cd" and "bash" don't show you the hard link name... well, they show you whatever you asked for |
| 03:23.58 | Dewi | ehc: why does that concern you? |
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| 03:24.16 | Dewi | ehc: using a hard link would make that situation worse, not better, btw |
| 03:24.19 | Saz|Laptop_ | abrotman, sucessfully upgraded to etch :D |
| 03:24.28 | abrotman | "etch" :) |
| 03:24.34 | Saz|Laptop_ | ok |
| 03:24.39 | Saz|Laptop_ | abrotman, sucessfully upgraded to kinda etch :D |
| 03:24.45 | markybob | Saz|Laptop_, dont forget to kick your coworker in the nuts |
| 03:24.48 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop_: now where are your sources ? |
| 03:24.49 | Dewi | ehc: with a hard link you really would have two paths, with a symlink you have one primary and other "less real" paths, but they will all be shown by 'pwd' |
| 03:24.56 | abrotman | markybob: not coworker .. hosting company! |
| 03:24.57 | ehc | Dewi, im not sure |
| 03:25.01 | markybob | abrotman, oh wow...rofl |
| 03:25.08 | Saz|Laptop_ | abrotman, you mean in my sources.list? |
| 03:25.11 | abrotman | yep |
| 03:25.19 | Saz|Laptop_ | ftp.debian.org |
| 03:25.20 | ehc | Dewi, i think i just don't want one to mess me up |
| 03:25.32 | Saz|Laptop_ | no wait |
| 03:25.37 | Saz|Laptop_ | I didn't add deb-src yet |
| 03:25.40 | abrotman | is there any unstable or stable in the sources.list ? |
| 03:25.46 | Saz|Laptop_ | nope |
| 03:25.49 | Azar | :) abrotman to the rescue |
| 03:25.49 | Saz|Laptop_ | I nuked it all |
| 03:25.52 | Saz|Laptop_ | commented out backports |
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| 03:25.57 | Dewi | ehc: each program has different logic for symlinks. 'rm' does not follow symlinks by default, but something like apache web server normally will |
| 03:26.05 | Saz|Laptop_ | brb |
| 03:26.14 | Dewi | ehc: this is something most programs have an option for |
| 03:26.55 | ehc | ok |
| 03:27.11 | Dewi | ehc: if you delete a softlink it won't delete your file, but for a hard link... I'm not sure, it could under some circumstances |
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| 03:27.30 | Dewi | ehc: but it really is something you have to check with each program |
| 03:27.33 | Kronuz | ... :( |
| 03:27.40 | ehc | Dewi, okay i'll just leave it as a symlink and hope everything works out |
| 03:27.41 | Kronuz | has anyone used RAIDs? |
| 03:28.25 | zim2 | Hey, i have the latest version of debian installed for x86, and am having a issue with install the bcm43xx-fwcutter package. I am following a wireless tutorial to get my card to work, and it tells me to perform "apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter", but the package can't be found. I also can't find anything on this problem. Am i missing something? |
| 03:28.41 | Dewi | zim2: debian sarge or debian etch? |
| 03:29.16 | Saz|Laptop_ | so is etch still WIR? |
| 03:29.26 | Dewi | Saz|Laptop_: afaik yes |
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| 03:29.47 | wols_ | Saz|Laptop_: latest news is 2th april |
| 03:29.56 | zim2 | Dewi: Not sure. It's the latest minimal install cd. vr 31r5 |
| 03:29.56 | Dewi | zim2: debian sarge / 3.1 / stable is too old to have that package |
| 03:30.10 | wols_ | zim2: sarge. that has no support for your card |
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| 03:30.10 | markybob | Saz|Laptop_ http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html |
| 03:30.19 | Dewi | zim2: then you need the next release, which has not shipped yet |
| 03:30.22 | wols_ | !find bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 03:30.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' (1): (/usr/bin/bcm43xx-fwcutter) in contrib/utils/bcm43xx-fwcutter. |
| 03:30.36 | wols_ | !tell zim2 sarge->etch |
| 03:30.41 | Dewi | zim2: however it is close to release and most people here are using it and endorsing it these days |
| 03:30.52 | Dewi | zim2: either upgrade or reinstall |
| 03:30.57 | wols_ | zim2: and as you can see you need contrib sources |
| 03:31.07 | Dewi | markybob: sshh :) |
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| 03:31.15 | wols_ | sarge->etch |
| 03:31.19 | wols_ | !sarge->etch |
| 03:31.19 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 03:31.23 | davidb___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.28 | Dewi | markybob: well, I wouldn't use it in a corporate environment either |
| 03:31.34 | Kronuz | hey, when etch's officially out, I won't have to reinstall everything, right? (I hav RC2 installed right now) |
| 03:31.37 | en1gma | hey all i currently use (kanotix live cd with a usb stick) to be able to get my Fake-Raid working....everything works pretty good......my question is can this be done with debian.....when i boot kanotix i see a debian logo on its screen |
| 03:31.43 | en1gma | and it does use apt-get |
| 03:31.51 | wols_ | Kronuz: no. you install debian only once. |
| 03:31.56 | Dewi | Kronuz: debian is excellent at upgrades |
| 03:31.59 | wols_ | !kanotix |
| 03:32.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 03:32.10 | wols_ | en1gma: go to #kanotix, we can't help you |
| 03:32.16 | Dewi | Kronuz: best operating system ever made for upgrades |
| 03:32.18 | en1gma | wtf are you talking bout |
| 03:32.18 | Kronuz | and what about when the next one comes out? just upgrades (automatic upgrades) |
| 03:32.26 | zim2 | Hmm, so the best version to use would be etch RC2? (says it's still testing, but any problems?) |
| 03:32.31 | en1gma | i said kanotix works fine (im thinking bout trying debian) |
| 03:32.42 | wols_ | en1gma: we don't know anything about kanotix which means we can't help you, that's all. sorry |
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| 03:32.52 | wols_ | oops. I msiread then sorry |
| 03:32.55 | Dewi | Kronuz: it's not entirely automatic, but it will do nearly everything for you |
| 03:32.56 | en1gma | im not asking bout kanotix (i told you bout kanotix) |
| 03:33.01 | en1gma | im asking about debian |
| 03:33.01 | davidb___ | is there any-way to go through the install and skip to the end (select packages) ? |
| 03:33.03 | Azar | aha!! I was right! Test case 4 is what I did last year! http://wiki.debian.org/Sarge2EtchUpgradeBlackboard |
| 03:33.15 | wols_ | and yes debian can do software raid |
| 03:33.18 | Kronuz | Dewi, great! :) |
| 03:33.33 | chronic1 | davidb___: i think i may have figured out the source of the problem |
| 03:33.43 | davidb___ | chronic: what was it? |
| 03:33.46 | en1gma | what would i need to grab to be able to get my fake-raid work (live cd and usb stick only) no install to hd |
| 03:33.55 | en1gma | i dont want to install to hd at all |
| 03:33.56 | chronic1 | my sata drives give debian problems when formatting....but my regular ide drives seem to work fine |
| 03:33.56 | Dewi | Kronuz: it's a big update though, 2 years worth of software |
| 03:34.00 | davidb___ | chronic: i'm having a "package installer" hang problem now. |
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| 03:34.34 | Azar | Debian Etch handles raid and sata very well the way I read around |
| 03:34.35 | davidb___ | chronic: hmm....i've got raid1 w/ hardware controller. wonder if this is an issue (and how to get around it) |
| 03:34.40 | hark | Kronuz: now do you get those delays with Debian too? |
| 03:34.47 | chronic1 | davidb___: my package installer has completed i think for the base system and is now creating device files |
| 03:34.50 | wols_ | en1gma: davidb___ check if linux has a driver for it |
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| 03:35.02 | Kronuz | hark, the gnome's? |
| 03:35.06 | wols_ | en1gma: you want a raid made of usb stick and CD? |
| 03:35.06 | hark | yes |
| 03:35.13 | chronic1 | davidb___: i would suggest installing to a vanilla drive (very very very very basic) |
| 03:35.17 | wols_ | chronic1: etch or sarge? |
| 03:35.19 | Kronuz | hark, nope debian is way much faster |
| 03:35.23 | chronic1 | wols_: sarge |
| 03:35.37 | Dewi | en1gma: fake raid is mainly just software, so people normally recommend just using linux's software raid instead |
| 03:35.42 | Kronuz | you cay easily notice the difference |
| 03:35.45 | Dewi | en1gma: or they say "buy a real hardware controller" |
| 03:35.45 | wols_ | chronic1: sarge on sata is icky. not enough support. either use kmuto or better etch |
| 03:35.57 | arpegius | i'm trying to wget a file. i can download it fine on one machine. the other says it 404s. that machine can get to the internet just fine. whats the deal? |
| 03:35.57 | chronic1 | i thought about using etch......but i didn't know how unstable it was |
| 03:36.10 | chronic1 | i figured it would be fine...but this is for a class project...so safer is better |
| 03:36.20 | wols_ | chronic1: then use kmuto |
| 03:36.20 | chronic1 | just have to get ndiswrapper up and running and then everything will be much easier |
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| 03:36.23 | wols_ | !kmuto |
| 03:36.23 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 03:36.24 | Kronuz | I used Fake RAID; linix's RAID seems much better |
| 03:36.26 | Dewi | arpegius: that shouldn't happen. something else must be going on |
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| 03:36.42 | hark | hmm, great :) |
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| 03:36.44 | box | Hi there guys, How do i check whether SSHD is set to load on boot? |
| 03:37.11 | davidb___ | chronic: is there an "expert26" install-line option? looking for issues w/ debian + raid controller setup. |
| 03:37.13 | Dewi | box: run rcconf as root and see if it is ticked. be careful though |
| 03:37.21 | arpegius | Dewi: this is a file that is behind authorization. can i perform authorization thru wget? |
| 03:37.25 | Dewi | box: (rcconf can also change the status very easily) |
| 03:37.28 | chronic1 | wols_: won't these custom kernels mess up packages built against sarge kernels? |
| 03:37.42 | wols_ | chronic1: no |
| 03:37.50 | davidb___ | chronic1: or can i just re-boot and start over from where i started? |
| 03:37.52 | davidb___ | hmm |
| 03:37.53 | Dewi | arpegius: you can, depending on the auth method used |
| 03:37.56 | wols_ | and if you want to support newer hardware you don't have any choice |
| 03:38.07 | chronic1 | wols_: ah hah |
| 03:38.22 | Dewi | arpegius: if it's some HTML form using POST it won't be easy |
| 03:38.29 | chronic1 | i remembered ndiswrapper having a kernel module associated with it |
| 03:38.38 | Dewi | arpegius: but wget can do that too |
| 03:38.43 | chronic1 | and wasn't sure if the deb file for that is built against a specific debian kernel |
| 03:38.53 | hark | chronic1: what's your wifi card btw? |
| 03:39.03 | Dewi | arpegius: search in 'man wget' for 'auth' and 'post' |
| 03:39.03 | arpegius | Dewi: sux cuz they have one of those image validations... i can't see that in links |
| 03:39.05 | wols_ | you compile your own ndiswrapper anyways |
| 03:39.08 | chronic1 | linksys wmp54gs |
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| 03:39.16 | Dewi | arpegius: you won't be able to see that in wget either |
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| 03:39.27 | arpegius | right |
| 03:39.28 | wols_ | chronic1: what chip does it use? |
| 03:39.32 | Dewi | arpegius: the whole point of those image things is to make it harder to script |
| 03:39.37 | chronic1 | eh -- hmm....let me check again |
| 03:39.43 | chronic1 | i think it was a bt or something like that |
| 03:39.47 | gothtec | Is there a piece of software that will check the permissions for all files in, say, /etc, and alert me if there's anything different from default? |
| 03:39.58 | wols_ | bt = bluetooth |
| 03:40.05 | CompWizrd | gothtec: something like AIDE? |
| 03:40.07 | wols_ | It certainly isn't a "bt" |
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| 03:41.25 | chronic1 | Chipset: Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 03) |
| 03:41.49 | wols_ | !bcm43xx |
| 03:41.49 | dpkg | it has been said that bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. |
| 03:42.30 | arpegius | Dewi: saved the security img in links, opened it on other computer. bingo |
| 03:42.59 | chronic1 | wols_: is 43xx the same as 943xx?? |
| 03:44.22 | torrrr | why do I get inthe log pam_unix fail when I am not trying to use pam_unix at all? |
| 03:44.22 | gothtec | CompWizrd: what if the damage was already done? A shell script I was coding, to change a username in all files in /etc where it occured, also reset the permissions on all touched files to 664 |
| 03:44.27 | Kronuz | wols_, in a software RAID1 what happens if I remove one disk and replace it with another one ? |
| 03:44.45 | Kronuz | (as it is in a linux software array) |
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| 03:44.58 | netman2 | I did the upgrade procedure on my sarge installation. Now I cannot run gnome. I just installed sarge yesterday and got gnome working today, I'm totaly new to debian, and now I don't know what I should do. |
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| 03:45.13 | wols_ | chronic1: yes |
| 03:45.21 | wols_ | Kronuz: degraded raid |
| 03:45.27 | chronic1 | cool....i wonder what kernel comes with sarge...i'll check it out real quick |
| 03:45.36 | netman2 | what should my next step be? try the procedure to install gnome again? |
| 03:45.37 | chronic1 | stupid system is frozen on grub install i think ::SHIT:: |
| 03:45.39 | wols_ | chronic1: 2.6.8 and 2.4.27 |
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| 03:45.46 | wols_ | and that's another reason why you need kmuto |
| 03:45.53 | Kronuz | wols_, but automatically? won't it overwrite the new disk's information or anything (to rebuild the RAID1) |
| 03:46.15 | chronic1 | wols_: so can i install sarge with that kernel by default....or is kmuto its own kernel i need to isntall afterwards |
| 03:46.16 | wols_ | Kronuz: the degradation is automatic. you need to fix it yourself afaik |
| 03:46.16 | arpegius | can i run btcursesdownload then shove it into the bg? how? |
| 03:46.19 | Kronuz | 'cause I'm afraid to just take out my disk and replace it with the one I want to get the information from |
| 03:46.32 | wols_ | chronic1: kmuto is a sarge installer |
| 03:46.42 | Kronuz | (I was thinking it might do the rebuild automatically) |
| 03:46.42 | gothtec | I want to compare the permissions on the files in my /etc/ directory to the ones that come in the packages from apt-get. How? |
| 03:47.05 | Kronuz | but it's great it's manual.... now I wonder how I'll put it back in sync afterward |
| 03:47.08 | netman2 | abrotman are you still here? |
| 03:47.09 | Heet | Dewi, FYI: Files above 2^32 can not be downloaded on XP Professional on a NTFS system. I guess it is not the fat32 that causes the problem, I think it is the ftp pogram. |
| 03:47.17 | Kronuz | wols_, what happens with RAID0 arrays? |
| 03:47.22 | torrrr | any one knows this? |
| 03:47.23 | netman2 | stew are you here? |
| 03:47.30 | chronic1 | well slap my ass -- is the latest and greatest as stable as any of them? |
| 03:47.30 | netman2 | The upgrade killed my debian box!!! |
| 03:47.34 | Kronuz | they just won't work (bu nothing's loose) |
| 03:47.35 | torrrr | Mar 27 05:45:01 localhost vsftpd: (pam_unix) could not identify user (from getpwnam(test1)) |
| 03:47.35 | netman2 | this realy sux |
| 03:47.48 | wols_ | Kronuz: BOOM! |
| 03:48.38 | Kronuz | wols_, si if I remove a RAID1 disk it just goes to degraded mode, if I remove a RAID0 disk it's screwed, right? |
| 03:48.51 | wols_ | of course |
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| 03:50.16 | netman2 | Why would upgrading sarge to Etch kill my gnome setup? |
| 03:50.25 | davidb___ | hey all - should i install the 'linux-image-2.6.18-4.686' kernel, or the 'linux-image-2.6-686' kernel? |
| 03:50.32 | chronic1 | udev differences with hal? |
| 03:50.43 | Kronuz | okay, thanks |
| 03:50.50 | davidb___ | when installing a new 'testing' release of debian via netinst |
| 03:50.51 | Kronuz | I'll try it out now :S |
| 03:50.56 | Kronuz | bbl |
| 03:51.14 | wols_ | netman2: define "kill". there are error messages |
| 03:51.20 | fericitu_ | where put apt-get cmd, the .deb file, and how can instal a .deb packge ? |
| 03:51.28 | wols_ | davidb___: 2.6-686 |
| 03:51.29 | chronic1 | wols_: thanks for the help...i am downloading the sarge-custom-0304.iso |
| 03:51.37 | chronic1 | perhaps this will give a painless install |
| 03:51.49 | chronic1 | with instant netsupport |
| 03:51.53 | wols_ | fericitu_: man dpkg |
| 03:52.00 | dan2 | what's the name of that image file type that can be encoded to ascii in a C file? |
| 03:52.01 | wols_ | chronic1: it won't |
| 03:52.05 | netman2 | wols, when I type /etc/init.d/gdm start, thre are no messages, it just goes to the next line and the cursor is flashing and I can type again. |
| 03:52.05 | fericitu_ | ok thx |
| 03:52.20 | davidb___ | wols: but wouldln't the 2.6.18-4 kernel be the latest and greatest? just curious. |
| 03:52.23 | wols_ | netman2: check your syslog |
| 03:52.45 | wols_ | davidb___: linux-image-2.6 is a virtual package that always defaults to the latest version |
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| 03:52.54 | chronic1 | wols_: i still have to install wpa_supplicant after install to get wireless support? |
| 03:53.12 | davidb___ | wols: ahh...intersting. thanks! |
| 03:53.14 | Rusty1 | chronic1: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List maybe help there , search for yer broadcomm chipset |
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| 03:53.33 | chronic1 | Rusty1: wols_ just went over with me that there is a chipset in the newer kernels |
| 03:53.37 | wols_ | chronic1: afaik yes, but mnore importantly, you need a bcm43xx firmware. and you didn't read the factoid's url. do it now |
| 03:53.54 | netman2 | wols where is syslog located? I am a complete newb, trying to figure this out. I guess I should write more things down. |
| 03:54.12 | netman2 | wols_ |
| 03:54.20 | netman2 | wols_ I didn't expect any trouble |
| 03:54.21 | amphi | netman2: if you have problems with gpm, running gpm -D from the command line may help |
| 03:54.21 | wols_ | netman2: /var/log |
| 03:54.35 | Rusty1 | chronic1: not sure that bcm43xx is what yer after |
| 03:54.46 | wols_ | netman2: there shouldn't be. try startx. if that doesn't work either, check your xorg.log in in /var/log |
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| 03:55.16 | wols_ | Rusty1: isn't a native driver always preferable? not as if you need firmware and stuff with the ndiswrapper |
| 03:55.37 | wols_ | chronic1: install first then get your wireless running. much easier |
| 03:56.41 | Rusty1 | wols_: yes, but I don't think the native bcm43xx will work, IMHO |
| 03:57.01 | netman2 | _wols startx: command not found. :| ? I think something went very wrong. :( |
| 03:57.22 | shogunx | wols_ if he went from sarge to etch, he needs to install xserver-xorg package, iirc. |
| 03:57.22 | wols_ | netman2: apt-get install x-window-system xserver-xorg |
| 03:57.57 | netman2 | wow syslog is very long |
| 03:58.25 | wols_ | netman2: ignore it if you don't even have startx. run that apt line first |
| 03:58.30 | wols_ | then try startx again |
| 03:58.55 | netman2 | wols_ should I just try to go threw the whole process of installing the xserve than gnome again? ok I try that. |
| 03:59.12 | wols_ | not the whole. only X |
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| 03:59.57 | netman2 | with sarge is was xfree86 |
| 04:00.29 | wols_ | was |
| 04:00.32 | netman2 | wols_ but I got there with this command apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 04:01.08 | Azar | hmm I am trying to figure out if this Debian Sarge uses udev or devfs, how can I find out? there is no man page for either |
| 04:01.44 | wols_ | Azar: no udev. possibly devfs |
| 04:01.59 | wols_ | but unlikely too |
| 04:02.05 | Azar | wols_: I did not see it on /proc/mounts |
| 04:02.14 | wols_ | see what? |
| 04:02.22 | Azar | devfs stanza |
| 04:02.38 | wols_ | sarge uses hotplug+discover |
| 04:02.40 | Azar | so that means I do not use devfs or udev |
| 04:02.47 | Azar | oh ok thanks |
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| 04:04.32 | asc | Is it possible to have multiple versions of libc6 installed? |
| 04:05.10 | wols_ | yes |
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| 04:06.05 | asc | Oh. Well, that's good. |
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| 04:06.14 | torrrr | Mar 27 05:45:01 localhost vsftpd: (pam_unix) could not identify user (from getpwnam(test1)) |
| 04:06.19 | torrrr | any one knows this? |
| 04:06.19 | asc | as long as you don't mean 'yes, but it will explode' |
| 04:06.34 | wols_ | asc: you have to work around debian however |
| 04:06.47 | wols_ | so you can't let packages depend on both of these libc6s or such |
| 04:07.00 | wols_ | only good for crappy proprietary software and such cases |
| 04:07.48 | asc | wols_: The problem is I have a package that depends on 2.4, and Etch uses 2.3. And there's possibly no way to recompile. |
| 04:08.05 | netman2 | wols_ it crashed at "Autodetect keyboard layout" W: Couldn't stat source package list etc... run apt-get update to correct thes problems. I shall try that and run it again |
| 04:09.36 | psykidellic | Hi, I am having the strangest issue. I got an old comp from my professor. I installed Sarge on it and it works without any problem. But since its a home machine I want to use the latest softwares and thus Etch is a valid alternative. But how much I try, Debian Etch cannot detect my network card. I tried 4 different 3com, linkcom, netgear, d-link (which was purchases yesterday by paying 25USD). But Sarge recognises all of them withou |
| 04:09.37 | psykidellic | t any problem. I thought maybe Ubuntu will work but even Ubuntu 6.06, 6.1, 7.04 BETA nothing works. I just installed Knoppix live system and it detected the card. I am actually connectd in Knoppix and using its XChat. But I want to use Debian Etch??????? Any help? |
| 04:09.39 | netman2 | wols_ it gave me more errors. one that sticks out. signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available. etc... |
| 04:09.53 | wols_ | netman2: that is no error |
| 04:09.59 | wols_ | netman2: imho your sources.list is fubar |
| 04:10.37 | davidb___ | so much for trying to install "testing" onto my poweredge860. i'll see if "sarge" works better....not sure what the issue is. it's just hanging on the package install....sucks! |
| 04:11.09 | wols_ | davidb___: what package install? what are you installing? |
| 04:11.27 | wols_ | netman2: paste your sources.list |
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| 04:11.47 | davidb___ | wols: just trying to get a base OS installed onto the system. |
| 04:12.51 | netman2 | wols_ abrotman verified my sources.list was ok. I forget where I pasted them, I'll see if I can get it onto a floppy so I can do it from this system. |
| 04:12.51 | davidb___ | wols: i downloaded debian's "testing" netinst version. |
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| 04:12.58 | piper69 | anyone here know how to install and boot debian for a USB Flash drive |
| 04:13.55 | fericitu_ | what is the best, stable and secured mail server for Debian |
| 04:13.56 | fericitu_ | ? |
| 04:14.25 | chronic1 | wols_: do i just use the custom kernel cd to boot? or should it install files? |
| 04:14.30 | psykidellic | qmail is supposed to be very secure |
| 04:14.33 | psykidellic | but postfix is good too |
| 04:14.36 | psykidellic | i will say go with one of them |
| 04:14.42 | fericitu_ | :)) |
| 04:14.51 | fericitu_ | thx |
| 04:14.58 | psykidellic | fericitu_, i have personally used Postfix |
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| 04:15.09 | fericitu_ | k |
| 04:15.14 | Guerin | qmail is only secure within quite specific terms |
| 04:15.44 | bidha2kbsd | hi i just installed the debian sarge from net. but i found kernel still using 2.4.27, php4 and other stuffs which seems to be old.. |
| 04:15.45 | Guerin | DJB famously offered a bounty for anyone who could find a security hole, and then refused to concede that any of the example exploits were a security liability |
| 04:15.58 | bidha2kbsd | how can i get 2.6 kernel as binary and php5 mysql5 all latest... |
| 04:16.12 | Guerin | bidha2kbsd: run etch |
| 04:16.27 | Guerin | but there's no good reason on god's earth to install qmail |
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| 04:16.35 | Guerin | fericitu_: use postfix, or exim4 |
| 04:17.04 | davidb___ | holy crap. now "sarge" is telling me there's no partitionable media found in the computer. |
| 04:17.09 | davidb___ | ugh.... |
| 04:17.32 | Guerin | davidb___: sounds like whatever controller your drive is on isn't supported |
| 04:17.55 | hark | davidb___: etch or kmuto's installers |
| 04:18.01 | Guerin | davidb___: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 04:18.02 | Guerin | yeh |
| 04:18.06 | Guerin | what5 he said |
| 04:18.09 | psykidellic | bidha2kbsd, that is normal. as its from the stable tree. you will need etch for all the latest ones |
| 04:18.29 | hark | or backports? |
| 04:18.36 | psykidellic | bidha2kbsd, if you plan to use all of those, i will suggest install a fresh etch |
| 04:18.38 | bidha2kbsd | it means i have to reinstall again |
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| 04:18.53 | davidb___ | guerin: is there a way to get a newer installer? do i need to use testing? heck, how do I just get a 'netinst' installer for "unstable?" |
| 04:19.00 | Guerin | bidha2kbsd: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 04:19.19 | Guerin | davidb___: nobody does sid installers, because they very likely don't work |
| 04:19.52 | psykidellic | can somebody throw some light to my problem????? |
| 04:19.52 | hark | davidb___: what's wrong with testing? sarge and unstable only?? |
| 04:19.52 | Guerin | davidb___: /msg dpkg kmuto, or use etch - /msg dpkg d-i |
| 04:19.52 | bidha2kbsd | you mean i can instal etch with sarge.. |
| 04:19.57 | piper69 | once i saw a debian to flash tool that will automate the installation of debian to a usb flash stick |
| 04:20.04 | Guerin | bidha2kbsd: of course. |
| 04:20.11 | Guerin | !flash install |
| 04:20.11 | hark | psykidellic: what's the question? |
| 04:20.15 | bidha2kbsd | whats the exact command please.. |
| 04:20.18 | Guerin | !flash |
| 04:20.18 | dpkg | it has been said that flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 04:20.22 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:20.24 | psykidellic | bidha2kbsd, you can...but in my experience...i faced tons of problems...mostly dependency issues |
| 04:20.46 | piper69 | Guerin: lol, |
| 04:20.47 | Guerin | psykidellic: those can be fixed by simply removing any package with dependency problems |
| 04:20.58 | Guerin | piper69: there is one, but I disremember it |
| 04:21.19 | Guerin | piper69: all you need to keep is aptitude and dependencies and a few other things |
| 04:21.21 | hark | bidha2kbsd: read the etch release notes (the upgrading section) |
| 04:21.21 | psykidellic | Guerin, yes. but its a pain......even i did and i had to manually update/remove/install around 20 packages |
| 04:21.22 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:21.24 | psykidellic | and it was a pain! |
| 04:21.26 | Guerin | psykidellic: all you need to keep is aptitude and dependencies and a few other things |
| 04:21.38 | davidb___ | guerin: will have to try that. is that command available at install time of the OS? |
| 04:21.57 | Guerin | psykidellic: that compares very favourably with any other OS upgrade, which typically DOES require a full install - even other linuces like fedora |
| 04:22.05 | Guerin | davidb___: which? |
| 04:22.07 | psykidellic | Guerin, so i am not saying you cannot do that but its not very intuitive...that is my personal experience... |
| 04:22.15 | psykidellic | Guerin, I agree with you :) |
| 04:22.29 | psykidellic | looks like my question didnt get through.... |
| 04:22.31 | psykidellic | Hi, I am having the strangest issue. I got an old comp from my professor. I installed Sarge on it and it works without any problem. But since its a home machine I want to use the latest softwares and thus Etch is a valid alternative. But how much I try, Debian Etch cannot detect my network card. I tried 4 different 3com, linkcom, netgear, d-link (which was purchases yesterday by paying 25USD). But Sarge recognises all of them withou |
| 04:22.31 | psykidellic | <psykidellic> t any problem. I thought maybe Ubuntu will work but even Ubuntu 6.06, 6.1, 7.04 BETA nothing works. I just installed Knoppix live system and it detected the card. I am actually connectd in Knoppix and using its XChat. But I want to use Debian Etch??????? Any help? |
| 04:22.51 | Guerin | psykidellic: OS management isn't supposed to be intuitive, it's stuff people who rely on intuition shouldn't necessarily be doing. |
| 04:23.03 | Guerin | (that said, I tend to rely on intuition) |
| 04:23.09 | piper69 | psykidellic: are you trying to install debian |
| 04:23.14 | psykidellic | yup...... |
| 04:23.24 | psykidellic | piper69, yes |
| 04:23.30 | hark | wow.. wall of text |
| 04:23.34 | wols_ | davidb___: that is to be expected. new hardware with old sarge kernel |
| 04:23.35 | piper69 | psykidellic: and why thats hard to do |
| 04:23.48 | Azar | psykidellic: did you upgraded or fresh installed Etch? |
| 04:24.02 | Guerin | psykidellic: what prents you upgrading fdrom sarge -> etch? |
| 04:24.08 | netman2 | wols_ is there an easy way to send a file from one linux box to another from the command line? or maybe past the sources.list to the paste site all from the command line? I cannot get my floppy to work, i think it died. |
| 04:24.11 | psykidellic | piper69, its not hard...its just not detecting my ethernet card |
| 04:24.14 | hark | bidha2kbsd: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 04:24.19 | psykidellic | Guerin, its a new machine...... |
| 04:24.22 | piper69 | psykidellic: if i can do it , you too can... |
| 04:24.27 | Azar | psykidellic: please respond |
| 04:24.35 | psykidellic | i am.... |
| 04:24.35 | piper69 | psykidellic: is it a wireless? |
| 04:24.51 | Azar | psykidellic: again : you UPGRADED or you installed Fresh? |
| 04:25.02 | Guerin | psykidellic: /msg dpkg ig |
| 04:25.03 | psykidellic | piper69, Azar Guerin its a new box by my professor... |
| 04:25.14 | Azar | psykidellic: don't care, answer the question |
| 04:25.21 | psykidellic | pipeline, Guerin Azar both sarge and etch are new installation |
| 04:25.22 | piper69 | psykidellic: and the damn question |
| 04:25.30 | psykidellic | Azar, i am answering.... |
| 04:25.34 | Azar | psykidellic: ok |
| 04:25.36 | Guerin | so neither are recognising your network card? |
| 04:25.42 | psykidellic | piper69, and i am typing as fast as i can |
| 04:25.49 | piper69 | they don't care if its an F117 fighter jet computer , |
| 04:25.49 | psykidellic | Guerin, no...sarge is detecting all of the four |
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| 04:26.13 | psykidellic | Guerin, but not etch |
| 04:26.28 | Azar | psykidellic: so on one single box, that is new, Sarge installer recognized your network card, but when you install Etch it does not? |
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| 04:26.34 | hark | psykidellic: during the install? |
| 04:26.47 | piper69 | psykidellic: so far you still didn't answear Azar question? |
| 04:26.48 | psykidellic | Azar, Hark yes for both the answer |
| 04:26.58 | Guerin | psykidellic: so install sarge and upgrade. |
| 04:27.28 | netman2 | does anyone have a good sources.list for Etch that I can copy? |
| 04:27.33 | hark | righto |
| 04:27.33 | psykidellic | piper69, i did....i said its a new installation.....but little late..sorry for that! |
| 04:27.34 | piper69 | Azar: treat me this nice when i need help ...LOL |
| 04:27.37 | Guerin | netman2: debian.org has |
| 04:27.58 | hark | !tell netman2 -about sources.list |
| 04:28.06 | hark | netman2: replace sarge with etch |
| 04:28.22 | psykidellic | Guerin, I tried to do that only. Here are the steps I followed...installed sarge...changed sources.list to look at testing branch..did apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:28.36 | netman2 | hark, thats what destroyed my machiene. >:( |
| 04:28.50 | Guerin | netman2: no, it didn't. |
| 04:28.51 | Azar | for Sarge>Etch upgrades read 4.5.6 Device enumeration reordering http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-kernelorder issues with network devices |
| 04:28.51 | hark | netman2: also look in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ or /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 04:29.05 | jetscreamer | netman2: linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 04:29.13 | hark | netman2: destroyed? |
| 04:29.23 | hark | really |
| 04:29.24 | psykidellic | Guerin, since it was installed from netinst.....withbare bone config...i then had to install x, xdesktop...and then xfce4.... |
| 04:29.33 | Guerin | psykidellic: yes. |
| 04:29.45 | psykidellic | everything went off well...but when i start xfce4...it gave all kinds of X problem.... |
| 04:29.45 | netman2 | Guerin, yes it did... I changed things from sarge to Etch and now its a mess. maybe destroyed is a little much, but its broken. |
| 04:29.55 | psykidellic | i asked in debian forums and they also suggested to do a new installation |
| 04:30.00 | Guerin | netman2: dependency problems? |
| 04:30.02 | piper69 | how can i tell if i am running sarge or etch |
| 04:30.10 | Guerin | psykidellic: /msg dpkg what version |
| 04:30.12 | Guerin | bah |
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| 04:30.15 | Guerin | piper69: |
| 04:30.23 | piper69 | debian_version |
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| 04:30.45 | bidha2kbsd | in apt sources.list what url shall i add for etch |
| 04:30.54 | netman2 | Guerin, everything I try gives me errors. I'm to new to this to understand half of what its saying |
| 04:31.07 | Guerin | is there a 2-for-one special on stupid juice or something? |
| 04:31.08 | piper69 | bidha2kbsd: change sarge to etch thats all waht you need to do |
| 04:31.16 | Azar | netman2: when the Sarge system was messed up (dependency broken packages) using aptitude will force broken packages to be removed in order to cleanup. See what packages will be kicked and reinstall them later using aptitude |
| 04:31.19 | psykidellic | Guerin, so why is it that Sarge, Knoppix, Windows XP, Elive all detect all the 4 cards but Etch dosnt????? even ubuntu. 6.06, 6.1 and 7.04 dosnt |
| 04:31.39 | Guerin | netman2: do you see the words `dependency aerror' anywhere when running aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 04:31.52 | netman2 | Guerin, don't think so. |
| 04:31.56 | piper69 | !tell bidha2kbsd -about sources.list |
| 04:31.58 | Guerin | psykidellic: etch installer is a moving target. It shoudl work, but I haven't used it recently. |
| 04:32.12 | Guerin | !think |
| 04:32.13 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 04:32.22 | hark | !know |
| 04:32.23 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 04:32.53 | psykidellic | Guerin, is there anything from this current Knoppix installation |
| 04:33.03 | piper69 | hark: did he acually said fool? |
| 04:33.11 | Azar | psykidellic: make sure you know the type of the network card(s) you are using and google "networkcardname in Debian Etch" see what issues you can find |
| 04:33.11 | netman2 | understanding takes time and experience in most cases. |
| 04:33.18 | psykidellic | that I can take forward and get it running on Etch...i mean...if i know the module i can load it in etch new installation also????? |
| 04:33.18 | Guerin | piper69: your knoppix installation has nothing to do with anything |
| 04:33.29 | Guerin | fucksakes |
| 04:33.36 | Guerin | psykidellic: your knoppix installation has nothing to do with anything |
| 04:33.40 | piper69 | Guerin: what are you talking about? |
| 04:33.47 | psykidellic | piper69, dont worry |
| 04:33.49 | psykidellic | that was for me |
| 04:33.51 | Guerin | piper69: fish |
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| 04:34.10 | Guerin | !confuse piper69 |
| 04:34.11 | dpkg | No, who is their hamster tomorrow, piper69? shirts of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra herring |
| 04:34.17 | Guerin | herring! See? |
| 04:34.30 | Azar | netman2: if you ever and most likely used apt-get constantly, there might be leftover packages that depend on other packages which aptitude can clean (removing them) - if you need them, you can reinstall later using aptitude install |
| 04:34.48 | piper69 | psykidellic: is your card a wireless card |
| 04:34.55 | psykidellic | piper69, nope.... |
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| 04:35.10 | Azar | piper69: lean on my shoulder, I am softer than Guerin but also less knowledgeable |
| 04:35.13 | netman2 | Gurtin right now my imediate problem is getting a good sources.list on my machiene. mine is obviously no good. i'm stuck in the command prompt with no way to past my sources.list the last error that brought me to this conclusion was something about a public key. |
| 04:35.15 | omg0 | I have finally gotten my image back |
| 04:35.16 | Guerin | piper69: pay attention, he explained what card. |
| 04:35.18 | piper69 | psykidellic: do you know the chipset |
| 04:35.24 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:35.38 | psykidellic | piper69, i tried 3Com which was 3c59x based.....Netgear fa311 rev c1, d-link (which i bought yesterday so its ULTRA NEW) |
| 04:35.57 | psykidellic | piper69, chipset of the card???? |
| 04:35.59 | asc | Is there any way to make apt/synaptic/whatever think that broken packages aren't broken? Or force it to ignore broken packages? |
| 04:36.11 | piper69 | psykidellic: lsmod and lspci |
| 04:36.23 | psykidellic | piper69, for 3com, i even did lsmod 3c59x and then did modprobe...the module was loaded |
| 04:36.27 | psykidellic | but card not getting detected |
| 04:36.28 | Guerin | asc: it's incredibly unwise |
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| 04:36.50 | piper69 | psykidellic: dmesg | grep eth |
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| 04:36.59 | Guerin | 3c59x has been suppored for about a decade |
| 04:37.01 | netman2 | I installed Sarge 2 days ago, got Gnome running, today I changed all the stable and sarge to Etch in my sources.list and did the upgrade procedure. This broke my gnome. so i tried running "apt-get install x-window-system xserver-xorg" and it crashed at keyboard autodetect, giving me the public key error. |
| 04:37.11 | netman2 | thats off the top of my head. |
| 04:37.12 | Guerin | so it's definitely a broken installer |
| 04:37.24 | hark | psykidellic: are you in knoppix now? |
| 04:37.29 | psykidellic | hard |
| 04:37.32 | Guerin | netman2: see topic |
| 04:37.32 | psykidellic | hark, yes |
| 04:37.42 | Azar | netman2: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 04:37.43 | psykidellic | eth0: VIA Rhine III at 0xdb000000, 00:19:5b:68:a6:d6, IRQ 10. |
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| 04:38.09 | Azar | netman2: I assume you installed etch , right? |
| 04:38.16 | netman2 | "/msg no such file or directory" |
| 04:38.23 | hark | psykidellic: what does basename `readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module` say? |
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| 04:38.25 | netman2 | upgraded to etch yes. |
| 04:38.29 | netman2 | azar |
| 04:38.33 | Azar | netman2: nooo, here in the irc channel /msg dpkg etch key |
| 04:38.36 | asc | Guerin: Well, the package isn't going to be upgraded until Lenny. And there's just one package that uses the broken one. So hopefully it wouldn't create too much of a problem. |
| 04:38.37 | piper69 | psykidellic: /etc/network/interfaces do you see the eth0 there? |
| 04:38.39 | hark | psykidellic: where eth0 is your card |
| 04:38.40 | psykidellic | piper69, that gave me idea...while installing it specifically asked for a driver..maybe i should select this one and try...... |
| 04:38.52 | psykidellic | piper69, hark one moment |
| 04:38.57 | psykidellic | i will try both and give you the answer |
| 04:39.00 | Guerin | asc: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 04:39.18 | netman2 | Azar oh sorry, I think my brain has had it for today. |
| 04:39.19 | QwErTz | hi, I need some opinions. I have Debian Sarge and I need to setup a imap server with *maybe* a webmail.. What would be the best choices ? |
| 04:39.31 | wols_ | !best |
| 04:39.31 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 04:39.38 | Azar | netman2: just relax and take it slowly, if you rush, gonna get a hard tim |
| 04:39.41 | Azar | e |
| 04:39.42 | QwErTz | best working, easy to set up |
| 04:39.47 | wols_ | QwErTz: stay away from uw-imap and you#re fine. |
| 04:39.51 | piper69 | man i can't even belive my self a few month ago i was asking for help now i can help others that really feels good ...thanks to all of you here in this channel |
| 04:39.51 | asc | Guerin: Interesting, thanks. |
| 04:39.51 | psykidellic | hark, it says via_rhine |
| 04:39.56 | wols_ | and "best working" is jsut as meaningless |
| 04:40.00 | hark | i knew there had to be a 'best' imap server question as well ;) |
| 04:40.17 | QwErTz | lol |
| 04:40.31 | wols_ | QwErTz: you also need a working smtp setup. and mailservers are never easy |
| 04:40.32 | QwErTz | cyrus-imapd is good ? |
| 04:40.40 | psykidellic | piper69, yes..its there in my knoppix but neverthere when i install etch.... |
| 04:40.42 | QwErTz | wols_: I figured |
| 04:40.54 | piper69 | psykidellic: then put it there |
| 04:40.54 | wols_ | yes it's good if you ahve a big mailsystem. |
| 04:40.55 | QwErTz | wols_: but for creating boxes I want to use a frontend |
| 04:40.58 | psykidellic | because etch didnt detect the card |
| 04:41.02 | psykidellic | piper69, i did that |
| 04:41.11 | wols_ | QwErTz: doesn't really exist. not in debian at least |
| 04:41.15 | piper69 | psykidellic: can you do ifconfig , does eth0 show |
| 04:41.20 | psykidellic | but didnt help......i think it never got the correct driver |
| 04:41.25 | psykidellic | piper69, in Knoppix...yes... |
| 04:41.25 | netman2 | Azar and Guerin with that last operation I get these to messages I've seen many times W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Some index files failed to download, |
| 04:41.30 | QwErTz | ok |
| 04:41.31 | psykidellic | piper69, in etch no |
| 04:41.36 | netman2 | they have been ignored, or old ones used instead |
| 04:41.43 | psykidellic | but i think i will not try to install etch |
| 04:41.52 | psykidellic | with the new driver info i.e. rhine driver |
| 04:41.55 | QwErTz | wols_: which one would you choose ? I need like 5 mailboxes for max 5 domains, nothing huge |
| 04:41.57 | piper69 | psykidellic: do ifconfig eth0 up |
| 04:42.05 | psykidellic | piper69, did |
| 04:42.12 | wols_ | QwErTz: google ispmail sarge |
| 04:42.13 | piper69 | is it up |
| 04:42.15 | psykidellic | piper69, these are the first things i did |
| 04:42.22 | netman2 | Azar when i run apt-get update it gives me the same message again. |
| 04:42.23 | QwErTz | allright |
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| 04:42.27 | psykidellic | dmesg, lsmod, modprobe but nothing worked! |
| 04:42.35 | psykidellic | and that is what confuses me :( |
| 04:42.44 | piper69 | psykidellic: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 04:42.46 | hark | psykidellic: that card should work on etch |
| 04:42.47 | trelly | you root |
| 04:43.12 | hark | CONFIG_VIA_RHINE=m (on sid here) all you would need to do is at the most modprobe it... |
| 04:43.36 | psykidellic | hark, i know but it dosnt....even ubuntu 6.06, 6.1, 7.04 all didnt detect it |
| 04:43.38 | hark | but it really should be detected |
| 04:43.59 | Guerin | psykidellic: that's fucked. |
| 04:44.03 | trelly | checka da bios |
| 04:44.27 | psykidellic | though i have dual pIII (coppermine) on a VIA motherboard....can that be a problem? |
| 04:44.29 | netman2 | Azar I wanted to try the upgrade and report how it went, but I'v learned how little I know and how lost I am with linux still. |
| 04:44.30 | wols_ | psykidellic: does lspci detect the card? and yes, netinst comes with lspci |
| 04:44.43 | psykidellic | pIII 1ghz each.... |
| 04:44.46 | psykidellic | wols_, no |
| 04:44.49 | psykidellic | wols_, it dosnt |
| 04:44.55 | hark | what? |
| 04:44.56 | piper69 | hark: can he shutdown , remove the card. then power on and shutdown again and install the card and power back on again |
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| 04:44.59 | wols_ | psykidellic: then it's a hardware problem |
| 04:45.15 | netman2 | Guerin is there a way to see the whole topic? |
| 04:45.16 | hark | how's it working in Knoppix then? |
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| 04:45.33 | piper69 | wols_: he said it is working in knoppix |
| 04:45.46 | psykidellic | wols_, it is not a hardware problem...sarge detects it, knoppix detects it, elive detects it, windows fucking XP detects it |
| 04:45.58 | psykidellic | only Debian Etch, Ubuntu 6.06, 6.1, 7.04 dosnt! |
| 04:46.02 | wols_ | piper69: I can believe a card is not recognized for some reason, but if it's not showing up in lspci, it is hardware, period |
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| 04:46.19 | piper69 | psykidellic: XP will detect who is sitting next to you...don't worry about xp lol |
| 04:46.22 | Guerin | netman2: /topic |
| 04:46.22 | QwErTz | wols_: is this what you meant http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ ? |
| 04:46.33 | wols_ | QwErTz: yes |
| 04:46.33 | mfrisch | Anybody got a mil and a dream, http://www.gizmag.com/go/7030/gallery/ |
| 04:46.38 | netman2 | Guerin thanks |
| 04:46.40 | psykidellic | and right now i am connected on internet from my knoppix live cd....which is connected to my mediacom router! |
| 04:46.48 | Azar | netman2: if you are way new to linux, stay with Sarge for a while, study it. For an upgrade to Etch you need to first read the release notes and know what you need to do to prepare for it. |
| 04:46.56 | QwErTz | wols_: cool thanks, ill give a try |
| 04:46.59 | psykidellic | so its not a hardware problem....i will say that this module is broken in etch... |
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| 04:47.02 | wols_ | psykidellic: and lspci works? shows it? |
| 04:47.14 | psykidellic | wols_, lspci shows other hardware |
| 04:47.15 | Azar | netman2: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-kernelorder |
| 04:47.18 | psykidellic | but not the card |
| 04:47.22 | wols_ | psykidellic: if nothing shows up in lspci, there is no module involved. broken or not |
| 04:47.30 | hark | psykidellic: are you SURE about lspci.. |
| 04:47.36 | wols_ | psykidellic: I did not ask about other hardware. I ask about your via rhine NIC |
| 04:47.49 | psykidellic | wols_, hark yes! I AM 1000% sure |
| 04:48.09 | psykidellic | hark, wols_ when i googled about similar problem...everybody asked everybody do all this steps...i tried all of them |
| 04:48.13 | wols_ | psykidellic: paste your lspci output please |
| 04:48.17 | psykidellic | last resort i have come to this room..... |
| 04:48.20 | piper69 | wols_: hark : /me think he need to blacklist something |
| 04:48.38 | netman2 | Azar ok thanks. I'v been using Ubuntu for almost a year. I thought I was ready, when I got gnome working in sarge it seemed pretty easy. but I guess i got ahead of myself. |
| 04:48.39 | wols_ | piper69: there is nothing to blacklist if it doesn't show up in kernel |
| 04:48.46 | psykidellic | aah..i have to boot in my etch (which i will need to install)...right now i am on knoppix :) |
| 04:48.56 | wols_ | psykidellic: I want any lspci |
| 04:49.05 | wols_ | knoppix is fine |
| 04:49.06 | psykidellic | one second! |
| 04:49.17 | piper69 | psykidellic: can you paste your lspci out put |
| 04:49.26 | psykidellic | yes, i can....give me one second! |
| 04:49.35 | netman2 | Azar do you have any tips for me of what to study in sarge? |
| 04:49.36 | hark | yeah, he'll do it.. give him some time |
| 04:49.50 | hark | netman2: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 04:49.51 | trelly | he has to 'edit' it |
| 04:50.00 | Azar | netman2: you will need to be patient, and stay with Sarge, study about how the package manager works, what are sources, how to get them, how to upgrade a kernel and how to do a dist-upgrade. Once you know the rules you can go and upgrade |
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| 04:50.01 | markybob | anyone here have problems with etch installer and creating an encrypted /tmp? unfortunately the installer inserted it into /etc/fstab as ext3 and formated it as such, however, the 'tmp' setting in /etc/crypttab requires that it be ext2 formatted. on boot it just gave me a 'failed' message when it tried to mount /tmp until i manually changed it to ext2 in fstab. |
| 04:50.02 | psykidellic | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12272/ |
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| 04:50.23 | Azar | netman2: how new are you at linux? |
| 04:50.39 | hark | 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III] (rev 86) |
| 04:50.41 | wols_ | psykidellic: you lied |
| 04:50.48 | wols_ | 0b:00.0 |
| 04:51.02 | psykidellic | wols_, i dont think so! |
| 04:51.12 | trelly | he is ubuntu troll - string em up |
| 04:51.13 | psykidellic | wols_, what did i say wrong??? |
| 04:51.45 | netman2 | Azar I've been using ubuntu for a year, so I've had a sheltered experience. I've added sources to source.list though was not 100% sure which ones without a guid. |
| 04:51.45 | psykidellic | trelly, well if had been an ubuntu troll..i would not wasted 3 days in getting debian installed...its just that i know that link by heart :) |
| 04:51.50 | wols_ | you said the card won't show in lspci but other hardware shows. |
| 04:51.59 | psykidellic | wols_, i said for etch system |
| 04:52.05 | psykidellic | not for my knoppix system! |
| 04:52.26 | psykidellic | in etch...when i do a new installation...it dosnt...it comes up everywhere else....in sarge also! |
| 04:52.42 | wols_ | I didn't ask if it comes up. I asked if it shows in lspci |
| 04:52.49 | netman2 | Azar I had the most experience from installing the Nvidia legacy drivers. had to get the Kernel-sources and gcc and make. I mess that up many times before getting it right. |
| 04:52.51 | wols_ | and it will show in etch in lspci |
| 04:52.59 | trelly | you sound so guilty dude - a few minutes with the inquisition and we'll get to your motives |
| 04:53.01 | netman2 | Azar, but I'm still pretty new. |
| 04:53.10 | psykidellic | trelly, hahahahah! |
| 04:53.33 | Azar | netman2: about apt: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 / about aptitude http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 04:54.00 | psykidellic | wols_, if you give me 10 minutes...i will reboot....do what you suggested....copy the exact lspci info..and come back.... |
| 04:54.03 | psykidellic | is that OK???? |
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| 04:54.20 | archville | Hello ¿ How can i change $HOME for a particular user ? |
| 04:54.23 | trelly | don't try to get away |
| 04:54.34 | psykidellic | trelly, i will have to reboot to install etch... |
| 04:54.38 | psykidellic | i will come back again :) |
| 04:54.41 | trelly | in /etc/passwd |
| 04:54.45 | CJLucas | "configure: error: error, OpenSSL required" anyone know what package i need to install? |
| 04:55.05 | netman2 | Azar those are to be typed in here? |
| 04:55.07 | trelly | psykidellic - .... okay i trust you |
| 04:55.12 | archville | Now, HOME is /home/user, i would like to be /home/u/user as i changed the defaults for new users in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 04:55.34 | CJLucas | i have openssl installed already |
| 04:55.34 | psykidellic | trelly, thanks :) |
| 04:55.42 | Azar | netman2: those are for you to paste on your browser and read the articles |
| 04:55.45 | CJLucas | so i dont know why im getting that error |
| 04:56.06 | \amethyst | clif4d: you need the dev package to compile software using openssl |
| 04:56.13 | \amethyst | err |
| 04:56.18 | hark | archville: usermod -d iirc |
| 04:56.21 | \amethyst | CJLucas: ^^ |
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| 04:56.34 | piper69 | am back |
| 04:56.35 | CJLucas | damn |
| 04:56.37 | CJLucas | duh |
| 04:56.38 | netman2 | Azar, when I first installed ubuntu I also went to tldp.org and went threw about half of the "Introduction to Linux - A Hands on Guide" which gave me a good idea how the file system worked and how to get around in the command line. |
| 04:56.52 | trelly | archville - vi /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 04:56.52 | omg0 | how can I change my dpi on the screen without going through the whole xconfig procedure again |
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| 04:56.52 | archville | trelly: thanks |
| 04:56.54 | CJLucas | thanks |
| 04:56.59 | markybob | !drxx |
| 04:56.59 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 04:57.00 | netman2 | Azar ok cool, thanks. misunderstood. |
| 04:57.03 | kummi | please |
| 04:58.13 | omg0 | mark: There is no simpler way of just doing the 1024*768 |
| 04:58.17 | archville | trelly: /etc/passwd worked, but i don't know what to change in /etc/shadow |
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| 04:58.41 | markybob | omg0, there would be if you knew how to edit the config file yourself, but apparently you dont |
| 04:58.47 | trelly | sorry archville - nothing in /etc/shadow |
| 04:59.03 | trelly | just to make sure you have the same user in both |
| 04:59.06 | archville | by the way... is it safe to remove default /etc/cron.daily scripts ? |
| 04:59.14 | hark | omg0: DisplaySize in the Monitor section |
| 04:59.30 | trelly | just rename them and save them for possible use later |
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| 04:59.36 | \amethyst | omg0: do you mean DPI or resolution? |
| 04:59.39 | hark | though gdm etc might ignore it |
| 04:59.53 | archville | trelly: ok :) |
| 05:00.11 | hark | he did say dpi |
| 05:00.12 | trelly | check to make sure they aren't run with the new name |
| 05:00.39 | hark | why not just use usermod? |
| 05:00.49 | Azar | why is it recommended for the Sarge>Etch upgrade to mount all partitions to rw? # mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint |
| 05:00.51 | archville | i've just moved them to another backup directory to make sure |
| 05:01.01 | trelly | that is good use |
| 05:01.23 | trelly | i try to save everything - if not for example use |
| 05:02.11 | Azar | Don't forget to mount all needed partitions (notably the root and /usr partitions) read-write ? |
| 05:02.12 | archville | yes, i would not like to break things |
| 05:02.17 | markybob | gotta hate submitting a bug report for etch installer and getting back an automated "away from the office/on vacation" reply |
| 05:02.24 | omg0 | amethyst: I mean resolution |
| 05:02.33 | archville | i've just installed the minimum system so i'm tweaking it to heart contents |
| 05:02.45 | netman2 | Azar just a quick question about my sources.list Should I have more than 2 adresses in there. I added "deb ftp://debian.mirror.rafal.cu/debian etch main cntrib non-free" and there was "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates etch main contrib non-free" already in there. |
| 05:02.48 | \amethyst | Azar: in case you have /usr and / read-only, of course |
| 05:03.07 | \amethyst | Azar: Moderately common on servers where software gets updated infrequently |
| 05:03.10 | omg0 | I would like to go down from 1280*1024 to 1024*768 |
| 05:03.18 | trelly | a suggestion - make a mkdir /backup ; cp -a /etc /backup |
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| 05:03.32 | \amethyst | Azar: of course you'd make /var /home and /tmp (and some others) separate partitions |
| 05:03.40 | archville | uh, but there is a lot of things in /etc |
| 05:03.47 | trelly | it isn't that big |
| 05:03.52 | psykidellic | ok, so i am connected from my laptop...i just started the netinst installer.... |
| 05:04.00 | psykidellic | trelly, HIAO! |
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| 05:04.26 | trelly | did you get it working - i have to file that ubuntu report on you by midnite :) |
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| 05:04.40 | Azar | netman2: there are 3 distinct versions on Debian: stable aka Sarge, testing aka Etch and unstable aka Sid. You can use either stable or Sarge / testing or Etch / unstable or Sid. I prefer to use the names. You can't use TWO versions in same sources list. They are all Sarge or they are all Etch. |
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| 05:04.57 | Azar | thank you \amethyst |
| 05:05.18 | archville | yet another one ¿ Any way to make boot process (kernel part) silent ? |
| 05:05.38 | Azar | netman2: about the number of sources: no more than three. each has a double line. One of which must be the security source that should not end in "contrib non-free" |
| 05:06.00 | trelly | archvillian - don't you want to see if things - like disk/partition problems creep up? |
| 05:06.21 | markybob | archville, add quiet to the end of your kernel line in menu.lst ? |
| 05:06.31 | Azar | netman2: mine is : deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main where yours should show "etch" instead of "sarge" |
| 05:06.52 | archville | trelly: i can check it from time to time, but i don't want users to see it |
| 05:06.59 | archville | markybob: ok, thanks |
| 05:07.09 | psykidellic | doing.....i will go and change my laudary and come back...brb :) |
| 05:07.34 | trelly | arch - users? don't get to boot |
| 05:08.05 | \amethyst | some users do |
| 05:08.20 | archville | well, they have to be able to boot it, in the end, the server is theirs :P |
| 05:08.57 | trelly | let them see the fullness of their linux - |
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| 05:09.02 | netman2 | Azar thats odd, the installation had all 3 main contrib and non-free. I read what they all ment and added all 3 to mine aswell. though I see I put etch in the wrong place. that might have been my sole problem today/night |
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| 05:09.12 | archville | heh |
| 05:09.45 | Azar | netman2: look at my sources.list example http://channels.debian.net/paste/5838 |
| 05:09.50 | \amethyst | archville: not if it's properly set up---prevent booting off other devices, password to change nvram settings, lock on the case, no LILO prompt, ... |
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| 05:09.57 | \amethyst | archville: it's a lot of work though :) |
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| 05:10.36 | Azar | netman2: take my example, use "etch" instead of "sarge" as shown in my paster, then run: aptitude update then aptitude upgrade. |
| 05:10.40 | archville | \amethyst: yeah, that's the point, no privileges to boot it any other way than the way it should |
| 05:11.19 | Azar | netman2: uname -a see what kernel are you currently running as well |
| 05:11.21 | psykidellic | detected hardware, scanned cdrom, loading extra components, and bam cant find my network ardware |
| 05:11.24 | netman2 | Azar what is the difference between aptitude and apt-get? I was using apt-get. |
| 05:11.53 | archville | i think aptitude does better dependancy checks |
| 05:11.56 | archville | but not sure really |
| 05:11.57 | netman2 | Azar kernel ist still 2.4.27-speakup |
| 05:12.00 | Azar | netman2: aptitude cleans house a bit. If packages will be removed, note the ones you want to keep, let it remove then : aptitude install <packagename> again |
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| 05:12.08 | Azar | awwwwww |
| 05:12.17 | trelly | psykidellic - another linux saw the card? if not did you check the bios to see if the card is 'available' |
| 05:12.23 | netman2 | ok |
| 05:12.28 | Azar | netman2: not good. You will need to upgrade the kernel |
| 05:13.03 | Guerin | netman2: speakup isn't a debian kernel |
| 05:13.18 | \amethyst | Azar: you know at the aptitude "Do you want to continue?" prompt you can do +package1 package2 package3 etc? |
| 05:13.25 | archville | if i remove cdrom from fstab i can still mount it manually ? |
| 05:13.28 | psykidellic | trelly, no......but surprisingly the card was deteced as via_rhine in Knoppix, i now select that driver while installing etch and still dosnt found????? |
| 05:13.32 | Guerin | archville: of course. |
| 05:13.37 | archville | Guerin: ok |
| 05:13.37 | netman2 | Guerin Speakup was what it installed right off the DVD. :| |
| 05:13.47 | \amethyst | Azar: so you don't have to re-add them later |
| 05:13.53 | Azar | netman2: what is the name of that DVD? |
| 05:13.54 | psykidellic | trelly, i will have to reboot again to check bios...hold on a second.... |
| 05:14.03 | Guerin | netman2: huh, i lie |
| 05:14.15 | Guerin | it is there - just not on the cd, only the dvd |
| 05:14.21 | Guerin | netman2: sorry, proceed :) |
| 05:14.25 | \amethyst | archville: only as root |
| 05:14.29 | Azar | \amethyst: man, you are great, I never knew that trick! |
| 05:14.39 | netman2 | Azar and Guerin debian-31r5-i386-binary-DVD1 |
| 05:14.44 | archville | \amethyst: that's even better |
| 05:14.47 | \amethyst | Azar: also - (remove) and _ (purge) work |
| 05:14.49 | archville | :P |
| 05:14.54 | Azar | :) thanks |
| 05:14.57 | psykidellic | trelly, which option should I check in the cmos utility...sorry but i have never done this before...only use of CMOS is to change the book sequence! |
| 05:15.01 | netman2 | Gurtin k cool. |
| 05:15.27 | Azar | ok netman2 so you have installed debian3.1 which is the "stable" / "sarge" one. Stay with it for now, change all your sources to "sarge" as in my example. |
| 05:15.39 | \amethyst | Azar: if it conflicts with something it'll drop you into conflict-resolution mode |
| 05:15.49 | \amethyst | Azar: the +/-/_ commands work there, too |
| 05:15.54 | Azar | teeheee!!! |
| 05:15.54 | trelly | sorry i don't know which bios you have - just hunt around - |
| 05:16.34 | netman2 | Azar can you send me the whole line to upgrade distro again. I'm going to try that with your sources.list. i'll proabably re-install off the DVD again tomarow to have a clean slate. ;\ |
| 05:17.08 | Azar | netman2: not possible with your kernel. Upgrade the kernel first |
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| 05:17.27 | trelly | same place as sound card and serial and parallel ports |
| 05:17.45 | Azar | netman2: first use aptitude. Straighten up your sources list (with sarge). aptitude update aptitude upgrade. |
| 05:18.15 | Azar | netman2: second, what cpu is your box using? |
| 05:18.25 | psykidellic | trelly, looking.... |
| 05:19.24 | netman2 | Azar P4 2ghz 1gb ram "just picked it up for $180 :D" |
| 05:19.34 | netman2 | got it last week that is |
| 05:19.51 | netman2 | something i can beatup |
| 05:19.59 | psykidellic | trelly, got it....integrated peripherals....but nothing about the ethernet card :( |
| 05:20.12 | \amethyst | you'll need the SMP kernel to use all of your RAM in sarge |
| 05:20.40 | Azar | netman2: ookk, after you clean up your sources list, update, upgrade check for a 2.6.8 kernel: apt-cache search kernel-image and see which of the 2.6.8 lines matches your cpu type. write down all the line you pick. |
| 05:20.53 | archville | how to prevent users to execute "cat /var/log/anything" ? |
| 05:21.23 | \amethyst | archville: chown the directory 750 |
| 05:21.28 | lunitik | archville: chmod 770 /var/log/anything (there is also a -r I believe) |
| 05:21.36 | psykidellic | it has onboard ide-1 controller, ide-2 controller, ide prefetch mode,init display first, usb controller, ide hdd block mode, ATA 100 RAID controller, onboard fdd controller, onboard serial port1, onboard serial port 2 |
| 05:21.38 | \amethyst | you need -x not just -r |
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| 05:21.50 | archville | \amethyst, lunitik, ok i'll check the chmod manpages |
| 05:22.02 | Azar | netman2: you think this will be ok for you? |
| 05:22.05 | Azar | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SM |
| 05:22.08 | psykidellic | trelly, also onboard parallel port |
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| 05:22.29 | Azar | \amethyst: what is smp for ? |
| 05:22.32 | trelly | psych - is the ethernet you have really a usb ? strange it isn't just listed |
| 05:22.50 | MidgetSpy | has anybody here successfully installed debian on a ps3? I'm having some problems getting it booting from kboot |
| 05:23.03 | Guerin | trelly: he's tried four (4) different devices |
| 05:23.15 | lunitik | MidgetSpy: the Rhino guys apparently had some success |
| 05:23.15 | Guerin | it's quite bizarre |
| 05:23.58 | psykidellic | trelly, no...its a proper NIC....i dont know what you call the slot..... |
| 05:24.16 | psykidellic | in which you hook up the jack.... |
| 05:24.21 | MidgetSpy | lunitik: who are the Rhino guys? |
| 05:24.23 | trelly | is it an ethernet on a pcmcia card |
| 05:24.32 | psykidellic | ethernet |
| 05:24.39 | psykidellic | i have the d link box |
| 05:24.44 | psykidellic | i will give yo the exact details |
| 05:24.51 | \amethyst | Azar: himem support. it's on in the default 686 kernel in etch, but in sarge it's only on in smp |
| 05:25.25 | psykidellic | D-Link 10/100 Fast Ethernet Desktop Adapter |
| 05:25.34 | psykidellic | Model. DFE-530TX+ |
| 05:25.46 | psykidellic | I bought it yesterday from Best Buy for 25 bucks! |
| 05:25.54 | Azar | \amethyst: because I never used an Intel and have no idea what is smp and what is not |
| 05:26.04 | netman2 | Azar I'm giving it a shot. I typed the sources in by hand, couldn't get any other way to work. thats where I disapeared to. |
| 05:26.19 | trelly | that is a pci card - right? |
| 05:26.29 | Azar | netman2: ok |
| 05:26.32 | \amethyst | Azar: it's not really related to smp. It's just that, in sarge, they only turned on highmem support in the kernels with smp support |
| 05:26.59 | psykidellic | yup |
| 05:27.12 | Azar | \amethyst: you think a P4 2ghz is a smp ? |
| 05:27.12 | psykidellic | trelly...to be very frank |
| 05:27.13 | trelly | how are you able to get into the bios on a desktop without rebooting and going into 'setup' with del key etc |
| 05:27.24 | psykidellic | i am not sure... |
| 05:27.30 | psykidellic | i am connected form my macbook |
| 05:27.44 | \amethyst | Azar: no, I think 1GB of memory requires highmem support, and in sarge that's only turned on in the SMP kernels |
| 05:27.51 | psykidellic | desktop is next to me....while installing i just rebooted my desktop...and i got into the bios! |
| 05:27.55 | Guerin | a p4-2G isn't hypethreaded |
| 05:28.07 | trelly | sorry - i was being paranoid |
| 05:28.22 | psykidellic | trelly - dont worry |
| 05:28.32 | archville | brb |
| 05:28.53 | trelly | go back into the bios and make sure you have all the slots irq'd and plug and play off |
| 05:28.55 | psykidellic | even i have gone paranoid...i have wasted 3 days and probably more time before working with Ubuntu on it....to get the damn thing detected...now i think i should have got a new machine itself...rather then taking it from my professo! |
| 05:29.26 | Guerin | psykidellic: just install sarge FFS |
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| 05:29.31 | trelly | darn academics passing off bad hardware!! |
| 05:29.32 | Guerin | upgrade to etch |
| 05:29.49 | trelly | psychidellic - do Guerin's suggestion |
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| 05:30.02 | psykidellic | sarge FFS??? |
| 05:30.11 | Guerin | !ffs |
| 05:30.12 | dpkg | [ffs] for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 05:30.21 | psykidellic | Guerin, aaah..... |
| 05:30.25 | Guerin | lunitik: you're famous! |
| 05:30.31 | Guerin | (or were) |
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| 05:30.37 | psykidellic | Guerin, I can do that...and probably i will do it....but dont you think Etch should recognise it???? |
| 05:30.49 | lokkju_wrk | !fubar |
| 05:30.49 | dpkg | i heard fubar is Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition; it is a military term, or ask a fubar question, get a fubar answer. the failed unibus address register in some VAXen and PDP-11s |
| 05:31.03 | Guerin | psykidellic: i've already said several times it should, and that I can't uunderstand why it doesn't |
| 05:31.07 | lokkju_wrk | rofl, I like the pdp11 comment |
| 05:31.12 | lunitik | Guerin: news to me! |
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| 05:31.23 | trelly | it should be in the bios - all the desktops i have here from p166 to amd x2 all have option showing in bios to disable/enable ethernet card |
| 05:31.25 | lunitik | Guerin: Fame that doesn't bring money is useless however! |
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| 05:32.11 | Nyle | hello all sorts of different peoples |
| 05:32.18 | xixor | hello |
| 05:32.25 | chronic1 | wols_: you still around? i think i have the firware extracted...and assume that /lib/firmware is where it needs to be |
| 05:32.32 | psykidellic | trelly, i will do another search now.....otherwise i think i will go with guerins method....i have spent enough time on it! |
| 05:33.04 | trelly | that is best! |
| 05:33.10 | netman2 | Azar kernel-image-2.6.8.2-686 not smp wich is for dule core or should I because what \amethyst said about high mem? |
| 05:33.25 | Azar | netman2: no, smp is good for 2GhZ |
| 05:33.34 | Nyle | Azar my man |
| 05:33.43 | Nyle | whasup |
| 05:34.04 | Nyle | dazed and confused man |
| 05:34.13 | zinx | lokkju_wrk: are you using a standard debian kernel? |
| 05:34.14 | lokkju_wrk | I mean, seriously, an operating system should never tell you it is "Dazed and Confused" |
| 05:34.21 | Azar | so netman2 go ahead to upgrade the kernel: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 05:34.22 | lokkju_wrk | zinx, sarge, iirc |
| 05:34.25 | netman2 | Azar kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp than? just to be 100% clear in my fogy mind |
| 05:34.32 | Azar | hello mister Nyle |
| 05:34.33 | netman2 | ok cool thanks |
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| 05:34.47 | Nyle | do you need an smp kernel for dual core |
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| 05:34.48 | Azar | netman2: like \amethyst told me, smp is the go |
| 05:34.52 | Nyle | I shouldn't think so |
| 05:34.54 | trelly | psykidellic - sorry - only onboard ethernet controllers will be in the bios --- 'shaking head in shame' |
| 05:34.58 | Neeesat | good morning to all |
| 05:34.59 | markybob | Nyle, for you to use the second core, yes |
| 05:35.07 | Nyle | really? |
| 05:35.10 | markybob | yes |
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| 05:35.21 | Azar | and for second beers too |
| 05:35.24 | [xelent] | Anyone know what media player this is http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/085/a/1/Linux_X_by_binyaryar.png |
| 05:35.25 | Neeesat | How do I give access to a user to be able to use X? |
| 05:35.29 | lokkju_wrk | zinx, got two machines, exactly the same, that both give the exact same error - if I try to have em run with smp enabled, they are totally unstable - but even with it disabled, I get that error message |
| 05:35.47 | zinx | lokkju_wrk: your systems or your kernel is broken :/ |
| 05:35.54 | sanmarcos | I have a mail solution that depends on fetchmail to fetch all my mail, and put it in a server which then serves it as imap. Fetchmail is run as a daemon. How can I make sure the fetchmail process never dies? (i.e not running) |
| 05:36.02 | Nyle | I have been trying to figure out how to tell certain processes to only run in a certain core despite the cpu load on that core |
| 05:36.05 | lokkju_wrk | zinx, stock kernel |
| 05:36.06 | netman2 | Azar k she's downloading. |
| 05:36.18 | Nyle | its provijg to be a pain in the nuts |
| 05:36.21 | Azar | lokkju_wrk: depends on what cpu type you have: maybe does not need smp |
| 05:36.21 | cableroy | is there anyone here running modsecurity on a 200+ domains on a linux webserver? How do u manage it? When they all run diffrent things on their pages |
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| 05:36.43 | netman2 | Azar should I always use aptitude instead of apt-get? I guess I should go read up on that. sorry if I've been a pain tonight. |
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| 05:36.48 | Nyle | Azar guess where I am now |
| 05:36.57 | Guerin | cableroy: why would you ask in #debian? |
| 05:37.05 | Guerin | cableroy: ask #apache or someplace |
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| 05:37.16 | Azar | netman2: aptitude is generally good for big upgrades, kernel upgrades, debian version upgrade, but once you start using it, is better to stick with it. |
| 05:37.19 | Guerin | netman2: always, yes |
| 05:37.24 | Azar | Nyle: Texas? |
| 05:37.30 | Nyle | no one state over |
| 05:37.34 | cableroy | well, since i think debian is run on a lot of isp servers :) |
| 05:37.34 | Nyle | louisiana |
| 05:37.35 | Guerin | oklahoma! |
| 05:37.39 | lokkju_wrk | I'm looking for someone that has an active vonage motorola vt1005v ATA - I just need you to either run a tftp command, or to give me the MAC address of your unit - I am attempting to provide some unlock methods for it, and to do so I need to get a new formware image. someone want to help me? |
| 05:37.51 | rjalex | good morning I have a problem with the system time. system clock is set to local time as it is a dual boot system. TZ is set to Rome/Europe but when Debian starts I find the clock 2 hours ahead of what it should be. Ideas ? |
| 05:37.53 | Azar | hehe.... man you really got a fresh start did you |
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| 05:38.04 | netman2 | ok thanks Azar and Guerin. is aptitude a newer util? |
| 05:38.07 | Nyle | I dunno where I wanna live man |
| 05:38.11 | Nyle | this country is so big |
| 05:38.13 | Nyle | ! |
| 05:38.16 | Guerin | netman2: yes. |
| 05:38.37 | Azar | netman2: kinda, is better for cleaning your system of unused, obsolete packages while you upgrade |
| 05:38.46 | Nyle | I can't wait to unpack my computer. now I must find news, or maybe someone can tell me |
| 05:38.47 | hark | rjalex: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 05:38.52 | Nyle | etch is stable yet? |
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| 05:39.00 | Azar | Nyle: did the mosquitoes greeted you well? |
| 05:39.03 | Neeesat | Anyone? How to give access to a user to be able to use X windows? |
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| 05:39.08 | markybob | Nyle, no. read /topic |
| 05:39.09 | Azar | Nyle: no, just 30 bugs away |
| 05:39.11 | Nyle | dude I got bit on my left index finger |
| 05:39.21 | hark | rjalex: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 05:39.25 | Nyle | fuckin mosquitoes |
| 05:39.25 | Azar | Nyle: wild girls? |
| 05:39.28 | netman2 | Azar download is done. Reboot now? I just did uname -r and its still 2.4.27-xx |
| 05:39.37 | rjalex | harc UTC=no |
| 05:39.43 | Nyle | yes reboot netman2 |
| 05:39.44 | hark | Neeesat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common or x11-common; or /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 05:39.45 | Azar | netman2: what are you using? grub or lilo? |
| 05:39.55 | Azar | Nyle: shhhupup |
| 05:39.59 | markybob | Azar, where are you getting 30 from? i see 33 |
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| 05:40.01 | TomyLobo | i'm not sure if this is a debian or a vmware problem: i have a debian VM, whose console always blanks out and never comes back after a while of idleness, is if it goes to power saving and never comes back |
| 05:40.05 | archville | hi again. i'm trying to install gnome, but when apt-get install gnome, it wants to install evolution and a lot of other packages ¿ Any workaround to install just the basics ? |
| 05:40.07 | netman2 | Azar Grub |
| 05:40.09 | Azar | markybob: 30 were this morning |
| 05:40.12 | TomyLobo | is there a way to turn off power saving mode? |
| 05:40.14 | Azar | netman2: ok then you are good to reboot |
| 05:40.19 | hark | !tell archville about install gnome |
| 05:40.28 | markybob | Azar, i see. fyi, 33 right now :) |
| 05:40.31 | Azar | netman2: brb |
| 05:40.36 | netman2 | k |
| 05:40.38 | netman2 | azar k |
| 05:40.42 | archville | hark: thx |
| 05:40.47 | hark | TomyLobo: get rid of dpms in xorg.conf |
| 05:40.54 | hark | trun it off |
| 05:40.56 | TomyLobo | i dont have X installed |
| 05:40.58 | rjalex | hark, what can I try after knowing UTC=no ? |
| 05:40.58 | Nyle | !dpms |
| 05:40.59 | dpkg | i heard dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 05:41.21 | sanmarcos | I have a mail solution that depends on fetchmail to fetch all my mail, and put it in a server which then serves it as imap. Fetchmail is run as a daemon. How can I make sure the fetchmail process never dies? (i.e not running) |
| 05:41.25 | Nyle | you know for some reason, running ntpdate after loading X with dpms restarts X |
| 05:41.50 | hark | TomyLobo: ah, ok... |
| 05:41.57 | netman2 | alright new kernel is alive. :) |
| 05:42.23 | sanmarcos | where does fetchmail keep its lock file? |
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| 05:44.09 | hark | TomyLobo: setterm -powersave off |
| 05:44.24 | rjalex | hark, sudo tzconfig -> current timezone is Rome/Europe (which is correct) and UTC=no |
| 05:44.31 | rjalex | I am confused |
| 05:44.36 | archville | what about xserver-video-* any way not to install them with xserver-xorg ? |
| 05:44.56 | TomyLobo | cannot (un)set powersave mode |
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| 05:46.21 | hark | TomyLobo: hmm, dunno.. as root maybe? or man setterm .. and/or do it in the BIOS if possible |
| 05:46.53 | rjalex | sudo tzconfig -> current timezone is Rome/Europe (which is correctly GMT+2) and UTC=no but still the time shown by date is +2 hours ahead of the real time 8-( |
| 05:47.05 | TomyLobo | i think i'll go for the bios then |
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| 05:47.34 | Azar | netman2: how it went? |
| 05:47.57 | chronic1 | sweet....networking running...now i can add repositories.... |
| 05:48.00 | rjalex | ok must run to school .... thank you and have a nice day/night |
| 05:48.02 | chronic1 | !repositories |
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| 05:48.16 | rjalex | !repositories |
| 05:48.18 | rjalex | lol |
| 05:48.34 | wols_ | !mirrors |
| 05:48.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 05:48.38 | Azar | it changed, in etch they are called suppositories |
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| 05:48.48 | hark | heh |
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| 05:48.55 | chronic1 | what is a normal sources.list for sarge? |
| 05:48.56 | archville | according to what ? ubuntu ? :P |
| 05:49.02 | netman2 | Azar kernel is in there and its still running. I just tried "aptitude install x-window-system-core" to see what would happen |
| 05:49.18 | TomyLobo | argh i just found out it's really a VMWare problem, since the VM doesnt accept any input at all |
| 05:50.35 | Neeesat | hark: Thanks, I have fix the Authorization Problem |
| 05:50.43 | psykidellic | Guerin, Azar, trelly, thanks for your help...i will try the sarge -> etch method now |
| 05:50.49 | netman2 | Azar that seemed to go ok, I just tried aptitude install gnome and it say "conflict: 45: :\ |
| 05:51.08 | trelly | psych - try the pci card in a different slot |
| 05:51.18 | Azar | netman2: ouch, I have no idea bout gnome or kde, I do not use them |
| 05:51.23 | psykidellic | trelly, thats a good idea |
| 05:51.26 | psykidellic | i never thought of it |
| 05:51.27 | psykidellic | hold on |
| 05:51.31 | hark | tell chronic1 -about sources.list |
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| 05:51.54 | chronic1 | hark |
| 05:51.57 | trelly | and make sure the card is connected to a router or switch |
| 05:52.05 | hark | yes |
| 05:52.06 | chronic1 | i just found it on apt-setup i think..... |
| 05:52.26 | hark | chronic1: yeah, that's the right way |
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| 05:53.39 | hark | !etch pool 2 |
| 05:53.40 | dpkg | etch pool 2 is, like, jelly=20 themusicgod1=2008-01-01 themusicgod1=2007-01-0107-01-27 dan2=2007-05-10 bzed=2007-06-06 |
| 05:53.48 | hark | !etch pool 1 |
| 05:53.48 | netman2 | Azar Resolving dependencies etc.. conflict:45. so might it have something to do with my repositories? Thats cool if ya don't know, you have been way helpfull tonight. |
| 05:53.48 | dpkg | from memory, etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! dkr=2007-02-15 Guerin=2007-03-13 node3667=2007-01-18 luna35=2006-12-24 sid=2006-12-20 bibe=2007-02-15 bloom=once_in_a_blue_moon_like_last_time HelmutG=2007-12-01 Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 ... |
| 05:53.57 | Azar | netman2: I guess is gnome-core |
| 05:54.10 | netman2 | Azar what do you use for IRC are you in a text environment right now? |
| 05:54.20 | psykidellic | changed and now booting |
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| 05:54.23 | Azar | netman2: I use text-based irssi |
| 05:54.25 | archville | what is "dbe" module for in xorg ? |
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| 05:54.36 | trelly | psychidellic make sure the card is connected to a router or switch |
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| 05:54.57 | archville | irssi is nice, but i miss the nicklist |
| 05:55.05 | netman2 | Azar gnome-core went threw with no errors. i think ya hit the nail on the head. :D |
| 05:55.06 | Azar | netman2: I only use X with a small openbox manager... not a full desktop |
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| 05:55.41 | omg0 | how can I make the configuration made by alsaconf permanent so when I boot it starts and I don't have to keep doing it as I am now |
| 05:55.51 | wols_ | archville: there are scripts |
| 05:56.02 | archville | wols_: well, i use weechat |
| 05:56.07 | archville | so i have nicklist :P |
| 05:56.25 | trelly | omg0 - do the permissions on the file prevent it from being saved ? |
| 05:56.29 | Azar | netman2: ok now, if you will think for an upgrade to Etch you have to do the read first: what is changed in Etch: http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ |
| 05:56.40 | psykidellic | trelly, same problem |
| 05:56.43 | psykidellic | not detcetd |
| 05:56.48 | psykidellic | and now i dont have any more open slots! |
| 05:57.05 | DimmuR | is there any place where can i find packages of gnome 2.18 ? |
| 05:57.07 | trelly | is it plugged into a router or switch |
| 05:57.11 | psykidellic | yup |
| 05:57.16 | hark | omg0: install alsa-utils |
| 05:57.17 | Azar | netman2: then read the release notes to see what you will have to do to prepare for Etch upgrade: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-kernelorder |
| 05:57.18 | psykidellic | linksys broadband router |
| 05:57.31 | trelly | and the light is on the router? |
| 05:57.35 | psykidellic | whose wireless i am connected to and my 3 other roommates too |
| 05:57.35 | markybob | DimmuR, no |
| 05:57.36 | psykidellic | yes |
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| 05:57.55 | Azar | netman2: keep in mind that the 2.6.8 kernel is not good enough for Etch... see what you can do about. |
| 05:58.01 | trelly | and the light is on the router corresponding to the card? |
| 05:58.05 | psykidellic | yes |
| 05:58.14 | trelly | type ifconfig |
| 05:58.18 | psykidellic | i can see it from my chair |
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| 05:58.59 | trelly | just lo? |
| 05:59.00 | Crypticfortun1 | what's a good way to look at disk traffic? (ie: how much is going on? and if possible, to what files?) |
| 05:59.45 | trelly | unless i am truly mistaken the light on the router to the card can't be on unless there is a handshake |
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| 06:00.20 | omg0 | trelly: I don't know. What files are you talking about? If it's /etc/modprobe.d/sound then I see changes in it, If its /etc/modprobe.conf then that file doesn't exist. |
| 06:00.26 | psykidellic | i still think that something is broken with the debian etch system |
| 06:00.30 | psykidellic | i will post it as a report |
| 06:00.35 | psykidellic | now i am installing sarge |
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| 06:01.42 | omg0 | hark: I believe I have the utils already which is why I am able to configure the sound. It's just that every time I reboot its not loaded |
| 06:01.51 | piper69 | question:my wife keep forgeting to close the grage door, i have a box laying arround can i set it up and connect a swtich thru the Parallel port and write a script to check and see if the door is open or no? |
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| 06:02.38 | Guerin | piper69: you have our permission |
| 06:02.43 | Guerin | but honestly |
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| 06:02.53 | Guerin | just tell her to go and close the fucking thing |
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| 06:03.24 | trelly | in the middle of the night - move the car and 'you don't know anything about it' |
| 06:03.36 | netman2 | Azar ok thanks. looks like i have my work cut out for me for now. I've pasted your last few comments into a text file for later refernce. thanks a million. |
| 06:03.48 | \amethyst | trelly: doesn't take much for that to turn into insurance fraud :) |
| 06:04.18 | piper69 | Guerin: and you think i didn't, she keep telling me that she forgets , i have alot of shit in there and i am really tired i don't know what else to do |
| 06:04.37 | netman2 | Guerin thank you for you help aswell. |
| 06:04.54 | trelly | divorce |
| 06:04.56 | scruffy | can someone tell me what I need to get ndiswrapper support on my sarge box which has no connection (i.e. apt indexed CDs, and I've only burned 2 so far). The jigdo search (http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=ndiswrapper+_i386+sarge) isn't finding ndiswrapper package(s) for my kernel, 2.4.27-3-386, so I'm assuming I'm looking for the wrong thing. |
| 06:05.19 | markybob | piper69, might as well set up webcams everywhere and use it as a security system |
| 06:05.23 | markybob | that would at least make more sense |
| 06:05.24 | Azar | good night netman2 |
| 06:05.37 | netman2 | Azar good night. thanks again. ttyl |
| 06:05.56 | Azar | hey! O/T but I have a burning question: is true that Bruce Perens resigned due to conflicts with the community? |
| 06:05.56 | archville | wtf, years using linux and now i discover the alt+left/right arrow shortcut on consoles |
| 06:06.02 | markybob | or you could slap the bitch. that'll probably make sure she doesnt forget |
| 06:06.16 | Azar | markybob: you know? |
| 06:06.28 | piper69 | markybob: yep i was thinking about that too, i want it to send me a txt msg to my cell whick is easy once i figure out how to write a script |
| 06:06.32 | trelly | ask the woman of #debian - |
| 06:06.52 | Azar | hahahaha.. who that might be, trelly? |
| 06:06.55 | markybob | piper69, most webcams can detect motion and email you |
| 06:06.56 | piper69 | lol |
| 06:07.00 | trelly | 652 people and no woman? |
| 06:07.17 | Azar | there are but not here |
| 06:07.21 | markybob | well, there is #debian-women |
| 06:07.24 | archville | i would even doubt all are people |
| 06:07.28 | Azar | yep |
| 06:07.53 | Azar | ...so? this is what I read is that true? |
| 06:08.24 | piper69 | now can i get somehelp on learning how to write a script , do you guys know and good place to start reading with |
| 06:08.33 | markybob | Azar, take it from the man himself. http://perens.com/ |
| 06:08.53 | psykidellic | piper69, do you mean shell scripts? |
| 06:08.56 | archville | piper69: "advanced bash scripting guide" on google, first result probably |
| 06:09.02 | markybob | or #bash |
| 06:09.04 | trelly | piper69 - that was the best 'do my homework preface' i have ever heard - are you even married>? |
| 06:09.23 | kofler | hahaha |
| 06:09.40 | kofler | with a nickname like piper69? please |
| 06:09.46 | scruffy | is there a way to force the console blanking on immediately? |
| 06:10.07 | archville | ctrl +l ? |
| 06:10.08 | Azar | awwww now I see he called debian: an " auto-erotic exercise for programmers" !!! |
| 06:10.20 | piper69 | trelly: no really , why would i even lie about that... if i need help with homework why can't i just ask right away |
| 06:10.38 | scruffy | archville: not quite ;) |
| 06:10.39 | Guerin | piper69: are you in the USA? |
| 06:10.45 | Azar | and you know what, his assertions proved to be wrong in the end |
| 06:10.53 | piper69 | Guerin: yes , cali |
| 06:10.59 | omg0 | debian people are programmers |
| 06:11.02 | Guerin | piper69: godDAMN you motherfuckers are lazy |
| 06:11.31 | Guerin | no wonde ryou're all so fat |
| 06:11.32 | omg0 | debain people are programmers? |
| 06:11.32 | Azar | Guerin: pardon? im not fat |
| 06:11.32 | Guerin | can't go and check the garage door once or twice a day |
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| 06:11.32 | piper69 | am not fat |
| 06:11.32 | Guerin | Azar: statistically speaking |
| 06:11.32 | kofler | piper69: He's a troll. |
| 06:11.33 | Azar | :) yea we are not fat |
| 06:11.33 | Guerin | yeah yeah |
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| 06:11.38 | Guerin | nobody is fat on the internet |
| 06:11.39 | omg0 | I think Guerin have issues |
| 06:11.42 | Azar | hahaha |
| 06:11.49 | Azar | hey, the entire USA is fat |
| 06:11.54 | piper69 | Guerin: hahahahaha |
| 06:12.02 | Guerin | i'm just sayin' - when your wife comes hom, go the fuck down and check the door |
| 06:12.04 | Guerin | simple |
| 06:12.12 | archville | ok, installed xserver-xorg and gnome-core ¿ how to start it to see the first crash ? |
| 06:12.13 | \amethyst | scruffy: I don't know about immediately, but you can setterm -blank 1 to make the timeout 1 minute |
| 06:12.41 | omg0 | wow. Guerin sounds like he been married for 50 years |
| 06:12.45 | Azar | piper69: Guering used to indulge in terrorizing me back when I was just a new visitor here |
| 06:13.07 | Guerin | omg0: six. But my wife is good at closing doors and other such trivia. |
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| 06:13.13 | markybob | rofl |
| 06:13.19 | Guerin | she ends up having to remine ME of shit, not the other way |
| 06:13.20 | scruffy | \amethyst: that's great, thanks |
| 06:13.22 | markybob | oh, man. i needed that |
| 06:13.23 | piper69 | Guerin: i go to work inthe morning and then she leave to her job ...then the door will be open all day long untill i or she come back from work |
| 06:13.30 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:13.38 | omg0 | he knows that some things wifey does will have to go in the pile of "the bitch is not going to change and I will just have to live with it" |
| 06:13.39 | Guerin | piper69: seriously? |
| 06:13.45 | markybob | rofl!! |
| 06:13.52 | piper69 | Guerin: i swear to GOD man why would i lie |
| 06:13.55 | Guerin | piper69: that's beyond belief |
| 06:14.01 | piper69 | us californians don't lie |
| 06:14.08 | scruffy | regarding my ndiswrapper question, my answer: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebianSarge |
| 06:14.16 | markybob | and it keeps getting better! ha! |
| 06:14.18 | trelly | you got the name fornicators in your name |
| 06:14.29 | Guerin | here's a solution: leave some of her prized shit in a prominent place in the middle of the garage |
| 06:14.32 | Guerin | shoes, or something |
| 06:14.33 | piper69 | Guerin: i know i scream at her so many times , but what shall i do more |
| 06:14.39 | Guerin | i guearantee that door will get closed |
| 06:14.46 | Guerin | guarantee, even |
| 06:14.50 | trelly | piper you have some pics of her? |
| 06:15.04 | omg0 | lol |
| 06:15.05 | piper69 | trelly: lol |
| 06:15.27 | omg0 | does trelly want pipers problems |
| 06:15.35 | Guerin | piper69: get a timer which closes the door after 120 seconds |
| 06:15.37 | omg0 | or just want to think about it |
| 06:15.40 | Azar | hahahahaha!!! it seems that the "greatest" and "legendary" like to cozy up with commercial OSes: Perens: "It's for this reason that I've just resigned as president of SPI. I want no part of this rat pack any longer. I'm going to become a Red Hat user." bye bye |
| 06:15.49 | piper69 | Guerin: it a condo the garage is not attached to the buliding |
| 06:15.49 | trelly | i don't have a garage - what do i have to lose helping a poor sole |
| 06:16.06 | Guerin | Azar: link? |
| 06:16.20 | Azar | Guerin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1998/03/msg01581.html |
| 06:16.27 | Guerin | right |
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| 06:16.37 | Guerin | not recent |
| 06:16.40 | psykidellic | Guerin, what was the link that you gave everybody for Sarge -> Etch upgrade... |
| 06:16.42 | piper69 | if that was the case i would 've connect that mother fucking garage door to a bell or something |
| 06:16.49 | trelly | sounds like she is baiting ya - be cautious |
| 06:16.53 | Guerin | piper69: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 06:17.16 | Azar | I was reading about the heated state of gentoo and there I found the link http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/26/139256 |
| 06:17.39 | Azar | man is good to find the truth about some "open source celebrities" |
| 06:18.23 | omg0 | man if I don't get this sound thing resolve I may have to go with red hat too |
| 06:18.30 | piper69 | but hell yeah Guerin idea is worth trying too, i will put her stuff in the garage and see if she will close it or no |
| 06:18.35 | Guerin | omg0: what card, what kernel? |
| 06:18.58 | Guerin | piper69: if she has a small yappy dog, I recommend chaining it to the door |
| 06:18.59 | omg0 | snd-es1688 is the driver |
| 06:19.22 | Guerin | omg0: install a 2.6 kernel and run alsaconf |
| 06:19.30 | Guerin | or alsaconfig or whatever it's called |
| 06:19.39 | omg0 | guerin: kenel 3.6 version 3.1 |
| 06:19.47 | Guerin | omg0: try harder |
| 06:19.49 | markybob | that's interesting |
| 06:19.54 | trelly | uname -a |
| 06:20.06 | Guerin | omg0: welcome to our humble decade, O time traveller |
| 06:20.27 | Guerin | forsooth, is Iran still there in that dark time from when you come? |
| 06:20.29 | omg0 | guerin: kernel 2.6 |
| 06:20.35 | markybob | HA! |
| 06:20.40 | Guerin | omg0: so running alsaconf should do it |
| 06:20.41 | trelly | wasn't kernel 3.6 the one sco swore ibm stole all their unix code for? |
| 06:20.47 | Azar | what, markybob ? |
| 06:20.50 | omg0 | I am net the best typer |
| 06:20.55 | Azar | haha |
| 06:21.03 | markybob | Azar, c'mon, man. dont make me explain why that iran comment was funny |
| 06:21.09 | omg0 | I ran it and it installs it but when I reboot it doesn't load it |
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| 06:21.27 | Azar | markybob: I didn't follow, was reading juice about gentoo community |
| 06:21.39 | Guerin | omg0: echo snd-es1688 >> /etc/modules |
| 06:21.45 | Guerin | omg0: that might work |
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| 06:22.35 | factorx | to upgrade from stable to testing, is it enough to edit sources.list and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? or have I forgotten something neccessary? |
| 06:22.35 | omg0 | I am going to reboot now to test. |
| 06:22.46 | Azar | trelly: and in a final there were only 300something lines of code most of it header files :) |
| 06:22.50 | markybob | i guess no one here is from iran. |
| 06:23.03 | Guerin | factorx: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 06:23.11 | Guerin | markybob: probably a fair bet |
| 06:23.12 | Azar | no, what did the nuke exploded there? |
| 06:23.19 | Guerin | Azar: no. |
| 06:23.21 | factorx | Guerin: ty |
| 06:23.26 | markybob | Guerin, i was expecting a "i'll blow up your computer" comment |
| 06:23.34 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 06:23.40 | Guerin | though that might have been different if the sailors were USian, rather than British |
| 06:23.58 | TomyLobo | when installing packages i always get "the following packages can not be authenticitated" what does that mean? |
| 06:24.04 | Azar | Guerin: are you insinuating british are pussycats? |
| 06:24.15 | Guerin | TomyLobo: it's in plain english, it means what it said |
| 06:24.21 | markybob | TomyLobo, /topic ? |
| 06:24.54 | Guerin | Azar: no, i'm insinuating that USians are over-eager for a scrap |
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| 06:25.33 | markybob | i bet you those sailors wish britian would move faster and be a little more eager to free them |
| 06:25.43 | Guerin | i dunno about that |
| 06:25.55 | markybob | Guerin, yeah? you'd like being a prisoner of war? |
| 06:26.07 | Guerin | i figure they'd rather colol their heels awhile and get out safe than get executed or bombed because of a war soon |
| 06:26.13 | chronic1 | is there a configuration script for X other then the usual xf86config |
| 06:26.17 | Guerin | markybob: given the alternative, sure. |
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| 06:26.33 | markybob | !drxx |
| 06:26.33 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 06:26.39 | gpm | yes |
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| 06:27.15 | TomyLobo | Guerin i get that for basically every package |
| 06:27.16 | chronic1 | man...i can't believe that sarge doesn't use xorg |
| 06:27.18 | Azar | Guerin: yeah, I guess we miss the scratch, because itch is plenty |
| 06:27.29 | Guerin | TomyLobo: that's because you didn't ... |
| 06:27.32 | markybob | TomyLobo, like i said, /topic |
| 06:27.34 | Guerin | !topicbadger TomyLobo |
| 06:27.35 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that TomyLobo didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 06:27.40 | markybob | here's a question...how do people make it 'til late march before finding out that apt's key no longer works? |
| 06:27.48 | Azar | chronic1: you just upgrade to etch and voila |
| 06:27.57 | TomyLobo | i did read the topic, which of the 100 acronyms did i miss? |
| 06:28.07 | TomyLobo | and i am on etch |
| 06:28.14 | Azar | markybob: because it is not advertised in TV? |
| 06:28.21 | Guerin | TomyLobo: it's in ALL CAPS SO ITS EASY TO SEE |
| 06:28.22 | markybob | "PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE?" it's even capitalized! |
| 06:28.45 | TomyLobo | that's not my error though |
| 06:28.46 | Azar | markybob: hey make it PUBIC KEY and you will see better results |
| 06:28.46 | markybob | oh dear |
| 06:29.14 | Guerin | TomyLobo: it should mention a missing public key. |
| 06:29.21 | TomyLobo | it didnt |
| 06:29.26 | markybob | it just got scrolled |
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| 06:29.38 | Azar | dpkg knows about etch key :) |
| 06:29.41 | chronic1 | hmm -- that is strange |
| 06:29.45 | markybob | TomyLobo, you think we'd tell you to go there if we didnt know that was your problem? |
| 06:29.49 | markybob | rahul might |
| 06:29.52 | markybob | but he's not here right now |
| 06:29.59 | chronic1 | it allowed me to install gnome-desktop without installing X |
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| 06:30.15 | chronic1 | !nvidia |
| 06:30.16 | dpkg | nvidia is probably Ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a fast answer on 'how to install the Nvidia drivers'; for a long guide - see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 06:30.17 | rahul | !penixstrike markybob |
| 06:30.17 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:30.28 | markybob | ;) |
| 06:30.42 | chronic1 | !nvidia-installer |
| 06:30.42 | dpkg | nvidia-installer is, like, a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia one-liner> instead |
| 06:30.53 | Guerin | Azar: why would it not? |
| 06:30.56 | Azar | chronic1: try nvidia one-liner |
| 06:31.05 | chronic1 | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:31.06 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 06:31.12 | Azar | Guerin: because the horse is in the front of the car usually? |
| 06:31.19 | chronic1 | woof |
| 06:31.26 | TomyLobo | markybob i'm installing the stuff mentioned by dpkg atm, but the point is i didnt know "PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE?" had anything to do with my error so i didnt know to go there before you told me |
| 06:31.33 | Guerin | Azar: go back to Kazakhstan, Borat |
| 06:31.43 | Azar | :) aaaahahahahaha |
| 06:32.37 | ehc | is there a way to run a command without it taking up the current shell, like in the background? |
| 06:32.41 | Azar | wwwoooooww!! congrats dpkg now we got an etch nvidia one-liner yeepee!!! |
| 06:33.17 | Guerin | ehc: & |
| 06:33.19 | Azar | ehc: flip terminals with Fn keys? |
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| 06:33.29 | Guerin | Azar: *bzzzzzzzT* |
| 06:33.48 | ehc | Azar i am ssh ing |
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| 06:33.50 | Azar | Guerin: heh you are the santa with a bag full of tricks |
| 06:33.50 | DimmuR | ehc: maybye screen (if you want to control it later) |
| 06:34.43 | Guerin | & is the win |
| 06:34.48 | Guerin | honestly |
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| 06:35.13 | chronic1 | Azar: quickly before i go and get the sarge directions.....will this be different if i used the boot/install cd from kmuto |
| 06:35.32 | DimmuR | is there any site (somone knows which one) that points me how to make packages of gnome under debian etch? |
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| 06:35.42 | Guerin | chronic1: just specify the correct kernel source |
| 06:35.46 | trelly | Azar - sco is just down the road from here - and it smells so bad there people hold their nose and cross the street |
| 06:35.48 | chronic1 | !nvidia_sarge |
| 06:35.48 | markybob | DimmuR, you really dont want to try |
| 06:35.48 | dpkg | [nvidia_sarge] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (make sure to have contrib and non-free in your sources.list - ask me about <non-free>) |
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| 06:36.05 | markybob | DimmuR, i kid you not. making debian packages can be very difficult and gnome is ...well...a bitch |
| 06:36.07 | Guerin | DimmuR: wtf |
| 06:36.13 | tarzeau | markybob: not really |
| 06:36.17 | Guerin | DimmuR: honestly, if you have to ask, this job is beyond you |
| 06:36.20 | markybob | i said "can be" |
| 06:36.25 | tarzeau | markybob: ok gnome is a bitch :) but debian packages can also be very easy |
| 06:36.29 | DimmuR | markybob: i know that i fail but it may be good lesson for me |
| 06:36.30 | Guerin | DimmuR: ask in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 06:36.33 | chronic1 | !non-free |
| 06:36.34 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 06:36.37 | tarzeau | DimmuR: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 06:36.47 | DimmuR | tarzeau: thanks |
| 06:36.49 | markybob | DimmuR, go read the maintainer's guide, then. good luck |
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| 06:37.07 | Dewi | good lord. always evil. |
| 06:37.18 | DimmuR | Guerin: maybye it's beyond me (i don't say it's not) just want to try |
| 06:37.21 | flaccid | i seem to be having trouble updating my system time with ntp |
| 06:37.29 | flaccid | i run it it appears to work but time looks the same |
| 06:37.43 | markybob | flaccid, did you rub it the right way? |
| 06:37.49 | flaccid | i hope so |
| 06:37.54 | DimmuR | i love debian but sometimes i'd like to get earlier new packages like new gnome |
| 06:37.55 | flaccid | i use the command date to verify right? |
| 06:38.08 | markybob | flaccid, yes. is your timezone set correctly? |
| 06:38.13 | tarzeau | DimmuR: oh , the whole gnome? your first debian package? dream on |
| 06:38.24 | flaccid | markybob: i believe so, how do i check? |
| 06:38.27 | markybob | tarzeau, now you see why i said that ;) |
| 06:38.41 | tarzeau | markybob: i thought he just means a little gnome application |
| 06:38.45 | markybob | flaccid, tzselect ? |
| 06:39.28 | psykidellic | Guerin, the basic system of Sarge is now installed. Next I want X Window System and XFCE4. Do I need to update the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 or only apt-get install x-window-system and apt-get install xfce4 will do? |
| 06:39.41 | ehc | Guerin, I run echo "hi" & command but the command didn't go to the background |
| 06:40.02 | psykidellic | ehc, it will not. it did his work and quit. |
| 06:40.13 | psykidellic | echo will just output on the terminal and quit |
| 06:40.29 | \amethyst | flaccid: check your logs---ntp won't sync the time if it is too far off. If that's the case, you can run ntpdate first |
| 06:40.48 | ehc | psykidellic, so how can i run the command in the background? |
| 06:40.56 | \amethyst | ehc: command & |
| 06:41.03 | flaccid | i get 27 Mar 16:18:40 ntpdate[4647]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 06:41.21 | psykidellic | why do yo uwant to run echo in background? |
| 06:41.22 | rahul | ok, now you can feel free to claim that I'm not here, because I'm gonigntotbed |
| 06:41.28 | psykidellic | for any other.....command & is the way :) |
| 06:41.29 | \amethyst | flaccid: ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
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| 06:41.42 | markybob | rahul, wb. maybe you can help this mate background "echo" |
| 06:41.45 | rahul | \amethyst: I think you need sloeep too |
| 06:41.54 | rahul | !pemnixasirke markybob |
| 06:41.56 | ehc | oh not & command? |
| 06:41.57 | psykidellic | and for server softwarees, you will have to run them as daemon |
| 06:42.00 | rahul | flramb |
| 06:42.09 | \amethyst | rahul: :) |
| 06:42.09 | flaccid | yay that worked thanks |
| 06:42.16 | flaccid | i guess i should change the server in the conf |
| 06:42.27 | psykidellic | all server software comes with a command line parameter to run as a daemon process |
| 06:42.42 | psykidellic | ehc. no. e.g. evince x.pdf & |
| 06:43.06 | \amethyst | flaccid: that's how ntpdate is supposed to work |
| 06:43.45 | ehc | psykidellic, okay yeah now it is working |
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| 06:43.59 | \amethyst | flaccid: though you probably want to set up /etc/default/ntpdate for the ntpdate init script |
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| 06:45.13 | flaccid | yep thanks did both |
| 06:45.21 | flaccid | it was too much of time dif initially |
| 06:45.24 | flaccid | all good now thanks guys |
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| 06:47.16 | psykidellic | hi all, apt-get install x-window-system will install XFree86 or XOrg??? |
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| 06:47.43 | markybob | psykidellic, depends. which debian distribution? |
| 06:48.03 | psykidellic | markybob, sorry, i missed that. Etch.....i am installing it right now on my desktop using the netinst method |
| 06:48.10 | psykidellic | i want to install xfce4 |
| 06:48.10 | markybob | xorg |
| 06:48.18 | psykidellic | markybob, thanks! |
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| 06:50.59 | omg0 | geurin: It worketh. All this time you had that one line and you kept it to yourself. Thanks man I appreciate it. Now I can go sleep and hopefully when I wake up I will be extremely wealthy with a healthy pretty girl beside me |
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| 06:53.50 | psykidellic | i have been googling on installing X server on debian, many people say different package to install, x-window-system-core, x-window-system, xserver-org?? |
| 06:54.11 | psykidellic | whats the difference? and which is one is the safest and easiest to install a window manager like xfce4 |
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| 06:54.56 | chronic1 | !nvidia_homegrown |
| 06:54.56 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia_homegrown was If you've build your own kernel you should install nvidia-kernel-source. Read man make-kpkg if you don't know how to build the module, or use module-assistant. After you've installed your kernel module, use apt-get to install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings. On amd64 also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Ask me about <nvidia_legacy> |
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| 06:58.43 | omg0 | guerin: It worketh. All this time you had that one line and you kept it to yourself. Thanks man I appreciate it. Now I can go sleep and hopefully when I wake up I will be extremely wealthy with a healthy pretty girl beside me |
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| 06:59.45 | omg0 | guerin: Maybe tomorow you can help me solve my laptop pcmcia card problem |
| 07:00.03 | freespace | how does one find out for which kernel a module is compiled for? I downloaded pcmcia-cs 3.25-10, installed it on my sarge running kernel 2.4.27-586tsc, and it errors with unresolved symbols |
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| 07:01.39 | freespace | oh actually nvm |
| 07:02.18 | freespace | i need kernel-pcmcia-modules... |
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| 07:05.19 | Azar | hey I found the key!!! http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200703/error'd/gpg.png |
| 07:05.23 | TomyLobo | some page says i have to write "apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-486" but that does most likely not match my kernel, which is 2.6.8-2-386 atm. "apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.8-2-386" didnt work either |
| 07:06.19 | Azar | TomyLobo: apt-cache search linux-headers maybe to find what you need |
| 07:06.33 | chronic1 | Azar: similar question to TomyLobo |
| 07:06.43 | TomyLobo | search feature, nice |
| 07:06.50 | Azar | chronic1: ? |
| 07:07.11 | Azar | and try to use "aptitude install" from now on |
| 07:07.13 | chronic1 | what do you do when apt is looking for a package called kernel-headers...and you have the package already install but it is linux-headers |
| 07:07.41 | Azar | chronic1: sarge uses "kernel" etch uses "linux" |
| 07:07.49 | \amethyst | chronic1: what package has the dependency? |
| 07:07.49 | chronic1 | hmmm |
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| 07:08.10 | chronic1 | the nvidia package has kernel...but the kmuto that i was suggested to use uses linux |
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| 07:08.23 | chronic1 | will i get "deb hell" if i try to update? |
| 07:08.30 | Azar | chronic1: don't even go there: do not try to use nvidia installer |
| 07:08.39 | chronic1 | it was from the one-liner |
| 07:08.46 | Azar | chronic1: if you use Debian, use the nvidia one-liner |
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| 07:08.54 | Azar | nope |
| 07:08.57 | tarzeau | Azar: does it work for you? |
| 07:09.02 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 07:09.03 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 07:09.18 | Azar | tarzeau!! :) hi and what works for me? |
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| 07:09.30 | tarzeau | Azar: the nvidia one liner from debian |
| 07:09.42 | chronic1 | so i use that and not the <nvidia_sarge>? |
| 07:09.44 | Azar | tarzeau: in sarge yes, I haven't tried it on etch yet |
| 07:09.58 | tarzeau | Azar: with your own kernel? |
| 07:10.01 | Azar | chronic1: what Debian version are you using? |
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| 07:10.11 | chronic1 | sarge packages and sources.list |
| 07:10.17 | chronic1 | and the kmuto install disk |
| 07:10.19 | Azar | tarzeau: aahahahaha.. well I wasn't good enough to make my own kernel |
| 07:10.23 | TomyLobo | was looking for something like that, thanks Azar |
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| 07:10.33 | chronic1 | i don't mind updating my sources.list if that will help things go more smoothly |
| 07:10.43 | Azar | chronic1: so you have a kernel built by yourself? |
| 07:10.55 | chronic1 | nope -- by kmuto.jp |
| 07:11.05 | chronic1 | my computer was freezing on sarge's install |
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| 07:11.20 | Azar | chronic1: you need to have at the end of each source line " contrib non-free" but not on the security line. |
| 07:11.23 | chronic1 | so it was suggested to use this kernel so that my hardware would be recognized |
| 07:11.30 | aalonso | adioehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh a lialaaaaaaaaa |
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| 07:11.59 | Azar | chronic1: what hardware? sata? raid? |
| 07:12.03 | FuzzyB | is there a room dedicated to just the debian installer? |
| 07:12.07 | chronic1 | sata and wireless |
| 07:12.10 | xand | !room |
| 07:12.10 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 07:12.13 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: yes |
| 07:12.17 | FuzzyB | what is it? |
| 07:12.18 | cydork | FuzzyB: there is #debian-boot |
| 07:12.37 | Azar | chronic1: you should have installed Etch from the get-go. It has a higher kernel with more support |
| 07:13.09 | tarzeau | Azar: i'm using the nvidia installer in an automated way, works fine for me |
| 07:13.17 | Azar | chronic1: you better go directly for Debian Etch instead of wasting time fixing this and that |
| 07:13.26 | chronic1 | hmmm |
| 07:13.37 | Azar | tarzeau: I bet your sleeve is full of tricks |
| 07:14.00 | tarzeau | Azar: it's just a little init.d script, www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 07:14.11 | chronic1 | i don't need 3d acceleration...so i can live without nvidia...i just wanted to be able to run X....and for some reason X doesn't start (actually doesn't stay running) |
| 07:14.15 | Azar | chronic1: what is gonna take, maybe max 2 hours to get a cool Etch installed? |
| 07:14.17 | chronic1 | even after the reconfigure |
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| 07:15.01 | liable | !test |
| 07:15.02 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 07:15.32 | Azar | chronic1: ok let me explain: if you have a custom kernel possibly built with a gcc version different than the original gcc , nvidia installer will complain: You have to have the same kernel-header, gcc version in order to please that nvidia installer |
| 07:15.43 | Azar | hello honorable liable! |
| 07:16.19 | Azar | chronic1: go for the good stuff |
| 07:16.24 | ehc | can i run cat and have the output stored so i can paste it. all from a bash shell? |
| 07:17.14 | tarzeau | ehc: you can say /exec -o somecommand |
| 07:17.28 | Azar | ehc: tricks with the shell scripting: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-shell.html |
| 07:17.59 | Azar | I read somewhere there how to redirect the output directly into a file.. but I forgot how... never practiced lazy ass me |
| 07:18.12 | TomyLobo | what's the most recent kernel version for etch? |
| 07:18.27 | Azar | TomyLobo: the latest and the final 2.6.18 |
| 07:18.37 | liable | hola Azar |
| 07:18.49 | tarzeau | Azar: which one of the 2.6.18? |
| 07:18.56 | cydork | ehc: if you directely want paste to pastebin check /msg dpkg paste |
| 07:18.58 | TomyLobo | i have 2.6.8, how do i upgrade? i read something about compiling, is that necessary? |
| 07:19.04 | Azar | tarzeau: hehe I guess the rc3 ? |
| 07:19.16 | tarzeau | TomyLobo: no, you can just install one by apt-get install |
| 07:19.23 | tarzeau | Azar: hah! i doubt ;) |
| 07:19.33 | TomyLobo | kernel-2.6.18-4-368? |
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| 07:19.41 | TomyLobo | 86 |
| 07:19.47 | Azar | TomyLobo: if you run Sarge gonna be hard. Upgrade to Etch to feel better |
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| 07:20.01 | TomyLobo | i do run etch |
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| 07:20.56 | tarzeau | TomyLobo: more like linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 07:21.10 | tarzeau | TomyLobo: what says cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep name |
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| 07:22.13 | TomyLobo | athlon64 |
| 07:22.26 | Azar | TomyLobo: are you sure? etch does not run a 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 07:22.44 | tarzeau | TomyLobo: then get the linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 07:22.47 | TomyLobo | Azar i did what dpkg stable->testing said |
| 07:23.05 | haze73 | Does anyone know how to configure rtorrent? I made most things work, but I don't know how to become connectable for ther peers. |
| 07:23.09 | q_a_z_steve | hey, can anyone give me a link (or list) of all the things linux brought to life (DNS, bind, LDAP, maybe tabbed browsing, etc)? |
| 07:23.15 | Azar | TomyLobo: are you sure you dist-upgraded? |
| 07:23.16 | fireba11 | TomyLobo: so you upgraded but didn't change your kernel yet .. then go fir it :-) |
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| 07:23.33 | Azar | fireba11: I am not sure he successfully dist-upgraded |
| 07:23.47 | Azar | TomyLobo: show me one line from your /etc/sources.list please |
| 07:24.17 | tarzeau | Azar: dist-upgrades don't upgrade kernels |
| 07:24.18 | psyco-obiwan | the kernel will only be upgrade upon dist-upgrade afaik |
| 07:24.18 | Azar | Guerin was right: I am getting fat |
| 07:24.29 | tarzeau | psyco-obiwan: not even then, no |
| 07:24.31 | TomyLobo | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 07:24.33 | Azar | tarzeau: yes but I want to be sure he is on 4.0 as of now |
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| 07:24.49 | hark | explicitly install it |
| 07:24.57 | psyco-obiwan | tarzeau: let me rephrase it, kernel updates within the same release... |
| 07:25.49 | Azar | ok on your beard TomyLobo : apt-cache search linux-image |
| 07:26.12 | jetscreamer | but when you upgrade to etch you don't necessarily get a new kernel unless you explicitly install it |
| 07:26.14 | cydork | psyco-obiwan: not exactly.. if you have something like linux-image-686 then it will install the latest kernel available. |
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| 07:27.18 | TomyLobo | i'm doing "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7" atm |
| 07:27.30 | psyco-obiwan | cydork: i only saw this on etch occur, i do upgrade and it says i.e. 2.6.18.4 is kept back and once i do dist-upgrade i get that new kernel then, i have no experience how this on sarge or after updating. |
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| 07:27.46 | jetscreamer | the fix-unmet factoid fixes any dist-upgrade problems also |
| 07:27.52 | Azar | TomyLobo: you know why I have the feeling you are running sarge? because you were not able to reach a linux-image... |
| 07:28.15 | TomyLobo | "reach"? |
| 07:28.18 | Azar | and a dist-upgrade from Sarge to Etch is HUGE |
| 07:28.26 | Azar | takes lot of time .. |
| 07:28.31 | TomyLobo | well i let it run over night |
| 07:28.39 | TomyLobo | so i dont know how long it took |
| 07:28.40 | Azar | when? |
| 07:28.50 | TomyLobo | a couple of days ago |
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| 07:29.19 | Azar | ah ok |
| 07:29.31 | itchi | hoi |
| 07:29.42 | Azar | but running "apt-get install linux-image" is dumb |
| 07:29.49 | itchi | Why is 'grep' called 'grep'? |
| 07:29.50 | Azar | hey itchi! :) |
| 07:29.50 | cydork | psyco-obiwan: it's upgrade is pretty smooth nowdays! some of the cases are given here http://wiki.debian.org/Sarge2EtchUpgradeBlackboard |
| 07:30.05 | itchi | Azar: Yo :-) |
| 07:30.17 | Azar | cydork: that page rocks |
| 07:30.38 | psyco-obiwan | cydork: thx, good link |
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| 07:30.47 | Azar | there are some changes on the release notes too |
| 07:31.26 | itchi | bah, from the global command in ed: g/re/p |
| 07:31.39 | Azar | there was a debate on one site about : upgrade userland first, or the kernel? |
| 07:31.43 | Azar | interesting |
| 07:31.56 | cydork | itchi: from did you think grep came from? ;) |
| 07:31.56 | trelly | kernel first of course |
| 07:31.57 | TomyLobo | [09:29:42] <Azar> but running "apt-get install linux-image" is dumb |
| 07:32.02 | TomyLobo | what else should i do then? |
| 07:32.10 | itchi | cydork: ed |
| 07:32.39 | Azar | TomyLobo: is advised to upgrade from Sarge> to Etch using "aptitude dist-upgrade" as well when upgrading a kernel: "aptitude install kernel-blablabla" |
| 07:32.51 | itchi | 'The familiar UNIX utility grep is derived from the following global command in ed' |
| 07:33.09 | TomyLobo | Azar i do think my dist-upgrade was successful |
| 07:33.13 | itchi | From the O'Reill book - sed & awk 2nd edition |
| 07:33.23 | trelly | search globally for lines matching the regular expression, and print them |
| 07:33.25 | Azar | TomyLobo: is like getting candida |
| 07:33.32 | FuzzyB | if i choose encryption type random key, it will store that random key on /boot right? |
| 07:33.41 | hark | (G)lobal (R)egular (E)xpression (P)arser/(P)rint ? |
| 07:33.43 | FuzzyB | during the installation, setting up encrypted partitions |
| 07:33.43 | TomyLobo | "candida"? |
| 07:33.54 | trelly | search Globally for lines matching the Regular Expression, and Print them |
| 07:33.55 | markybob | FuzzyB, no |
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| 07:34.00 | FuzzyB | what does that mean then? |
| 07:34.03 | markybob | FuzzyB, makes one up randomly on every boot |
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| 07:34.18 | FuzzyB | then how does it know what was there? |
| 07:34.20 | trelly | it means i bet hark to wikipedia :) |
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| 07:34.32 | trelly | bet -> beat |
| 07:34.33 | itchi | hark: Have you try 'ed'? :-) |
| 07:34.35 | FuzzyB | when you reboot |
| 07:34.38 | markybob | FuzzyB, it doesnt. you use random encryption crap for stuff like swap and /tmp |
| 07:34.44 | FuzzyB | oh |
| 07:34.59 | Azar | TomyLobo: Cleaning up a Debian GNU/Linux system http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 << read |
| 07:35.03 | trelly | ed really sucked |
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| 07:35.10 | \amethyst | or vi |
| 07:35.12 | cydork | trelly: +1 |
| 07:35.27 | itchi | trelly: Nah, look, there are some derived stuff of ed |
| 07:35.28 | \amethyst | :g/re/p prints all lines containing re |
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| 07:36.01 | trelly | ed needed termcap on a serial monitor and it was a mess |
| 07:36.09 | itchi | \amethyst: Wich beer have you there? :-) |
| 07:36.10 | Azar | TomyLobo: from the release notes on upgrading that you never read: Upgrade tests have shown that etch's version of aptitude is better at solving the complex dependencies during an upgrade than either apt-get or sarge's aptitude. |
| 07:36.49 | TomyLobo | Azar once again: i followed /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 07:37.05 | FuzzyB | can aptitude be used on the command line like apt-get? |
| 07:37.08 | Azar | TomyLobo: most likely you accumulated a lot of unused, obsolete and /or broken packages that you never cleaned up |
| 07:37.09 | TomyLobo | that means i used aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 07:37.09 | cydork | FuzzyB: yes. |
| 07:37.15 | FuzzyB | i don't like it's menus |
| 07:37.28 | cydork | FuzzyB: most people dont! :P |
| 07:37.32 | trelly | i made my first $ setting up termcap files for each new serial monitor that came out - that cost $2000 and they had 8K or 'ram' for programming function keys and the memory to hold scrolled lines |
| 07:37.33 | FuzzyB | ah good |
| 07:37.36 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: you can keep using apt-get |
| 07:37.37 | Azar | TomyLobo: unfortunately dpkg never told you to read the release notes before jumping on the upgrade |
| 07:37.38 | Faithful | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:37.44 | cydork | tarzeau: why? why? whY? |
| 07:37.44 | FuzzyB | because that's why i still use apt-get |
| 07:37.44 | itchi | hark: Sure, your right too |
| 07:37.49 | tarzeau | cydork: why not? |
| 07:37.56 | tarzeau | cydork: aptitude isn't fully compatible to apt-get |
| 07:38.06 | tarzeau | cydork: apt-get does a few things that aptitude just can not |
| 07:38.07 | psyco-obiwan | i heard apt-get will be depreceated in favor of aptitude... |
| 07:38.12 | cydork | tarzeau: like? |
| 07:38.19 | tarzeau | psyco-obiwan: and when did that happen? |
| 07:38.26 | Azar | tarzeau: all release notes and stuff about upgrading to Etch recommend the use of aptitude. |
| 07:38.27 | tarzeau | cydork: try --purge remove with aptitude |
| 07:38.33 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 07:38.34 | psyco-obiwan | i heard it here, when i asked what tool i should start to use |
| 07:38.38 | FuzzyB | that's kinda the jist i got too |
| 07:38.43 | Azar | Once you start using it, is not recommended to alternate with apt-get anymore |
| 07:39.16 | tarzeau | Azar: many software documentation say things, and then they just don't work |
| 07:39.27 | itchi | tarzeau: There's a 'aptitude first use' factoids, don't ask me the keyname |
| 07:39.29 | cydork | tarzeau: but it doesn't crap behind. and its better at solving dependencies .. |
| 07:39.30 | Azar | psyco-obiwan: apt-get is not deprecated but better used on small packages that don't have much admin weight |
| 07:39.34 | tarzeau | Azar: did you look at the preseeding stuff with etch? the python-moinmoin README.Debian? |
| 07:39.42 | cydork | s/crap/leave crap/ :P |
| 07:39.47 | \amethyst | cydork: aptitude can't fetch sources :) |
| 07:39.52 | tarzeau | cydork: i've never had such problems with apt-get |
| 07:39.54 | chronic1 | hmmm.....doesn't control-s lock the console |
| 07:39.59 | chronic1 | i thought control-q released it |
| 07:40.00 | itchi | tarzeau: Or maybe a 'upgrade from apt-get to aptitude'. Someone gave me that; when i had need of |
| 07:40.02 | Azar | tarzeau: I read recently that preseeding will not be used anymore in Etch? |
| 07:40.24 | tarzeau | Azar: that's wrong, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 07:40.34 | cydork | \amethyst: yep that's true! but you can use peterS's script if you want to something like build-dep. |
| 07:40.45 | tarzeau | Azar: it was just completely changed that you can't use the old stuff from sarge |
| 07:40.52 | cydork | tarzeau: lies!! |
| 07:41.00 | FuzzyB | heh |
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| 07:41.06 | FuzzyB | i've almost got raid 6 + etch |
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| 07:41.10 | FuzzyB | go baby go |
| 07:41.13 | tarzeau | cydork: provide me a preseed.cfg that is fully automatic and doesn't hang |
| 07:41.30 | cydork | tarzeau: na i was talking about you never had problems with apt-get :P |
| 07:41.42 | tarzeau | cydork: the installer just hangs here, i've tried many different preseed configurations without success |
| 07:41.58 | tarzeau | cydork: it's true, none that i couldn't deal with |
| 07:41.59 | cydork | tarzeau: i think fai is much better than pressed. |
| 07:42.14 | tarzeau | cydork: it's not the same |
| 07:42.31 | cydork | tarzeau: yeah true. but offers you many more features. |
| 07:42.36 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata << issues with the Etch installer.. |
| 07:42.41 | tarzeau | cydork: so preseeding isn't supported anymore? |
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| 07:43.10 | cydork | tarzeau: yes. it is. |
| 07:43.15 | niru | I want to put my product in sourceforge.net |
| 07:43.19 | niru | how to do that |
| 07:43.22 | niru | what is the process |
| 07:43.42 | tarzeau | niru: create an account at sf.net |
| 07:43.50 | tarzeau | niru: create a project page |
| 07:43.57 | ewanm89 | niru: Get a sourceforge account and the request a project! |
| 07:44.00 | cydork | niru: go to sourceforge create account, create project and upload files. :) |
| 07:44.00 | tarzeau | cydork: but nobody can tell me how |
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| 07:45.31 | cydork | tarzeau: strange. |
| 07:45.57 | niru | tarzeau:I dont find any link in that page where it is showing to register |
| 07:46.01 | itchi | bah, the project need to be valided first |
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| 07:46.19 | msingh | what port and address does X run on by default |
| 07:46.36 | tarzeau | niru: http://sourceforge.net/account/newuser_emailverify.php |
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| 07:47.33 | niru | tarzeau:Thank you |
| 07:47.37 | trelly | msingh -> netstat -an |
| 07:47.45 | itchi | msingh: Look in /etc/services ?? |
| 07:48.11 | Azar | cydork: last week I don't remember which report - I will find it - was saying that preseeding was not to be supported in Etch anymore |
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| 07:48.20 | tarzeau | itchi: nah, that's not what he wants |
| 07:48.21 | itchi | msingh: 6000 ? |
| 07:48.47 | tarzeau | Azar: please if you find that information again? |
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| 07:49.03 | brophat | are there any issues with sound cards havnig Cirrus Logic CS 4610/11 ? |
| 07:49.21 | cydork | Azar: are you sure? http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/apbs02.html.en |
| 07:49.42 | tarzeau | brophat: do you have the lspci output? check with pciids.sf.net ? which alsa driver? kernel version? |
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| 07:50.16 | `infinity | whats the theoretical uptime record for a debian system? |
| 07:50.30 | itchi | I dive again in my g/re/p book :-p |
| 07:50.38 | tarzeau | `infinity: certainly more than 800 days, check www.netcraft.com ? |
| 07:51.20 | brophat | tarzeau it is not my machine. but if i have him do an lspci the info for that line will be helpful? |
| 07:51.44 | Azar | cydork, tarzeau sorry my bad I misunderstood see under : No longer supported in this release : http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/83569/index.html |
| 07:51.45 | cydork | itchi: UPT? |
| 07:51.45 | brophat | tarzeau he installed ubuntu 6.10 |
| 07:51.46 | trelly | infinity - with or without cosmic rays |
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| 07:52.15 | tarzeau | brophat: compare it with http://pciids.sf.net |
| 07:52.19 | tarzeau | !based on debian |
| 07:52.20 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 07:52.21 | brophat | ok |
| 07:52.22 | itchi | cydork: O'Reilly - sed & awk 2nd ed |
| 07:52.28 | cydork | itchi: aah. |
| 07:52.48 | itchi | cydork: first need to finish that :-) |
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| 07:53.08 | itchi | Now i have some basic skills, i want to dive more :-p |
| 07:53.19 | cydork | itchi: get UPT as well :P |
| 07:53.31 | brophat | tarzeau that website will give me which driver to use? |
| 07:53.41 | itchi | cydork: What is the compleet title of it? |
| 07:53.43 | hark | universal plumbing tools? |
| 07:53.49 | itchi | hehe |
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| 07:54.24 | cydork | itchi: unix power tools! |
| 07:54.31 | hark | unix power tools! |
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| 07:54.43 | itchi | Thanks guys! :-) |
| 07:54.55 | brophat | tarzeau what does that website give me? |
| 07:55.08 | zhou_rock | hello |
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| 07:55.34 | lkthomas | if I am using archive mode on rsync, what file format would it archive ? |
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| 07:59.41 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 07:59.41 | cydork | lkthomas: -z uses zlib compression iirc. |
| 07:59.41 | dpkg | methinks qotd176 is < raf256> Why debian devel decided to curse debian with constant farting out of the box? |
| 07:59.50 | lkthomas | k, hmm |
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| 08:01.43 | itchi | lkthomas: It will just be your plain data. -a is the same as -rlptgoD See rsync --help and the lovely man page :-p |
| 08:01.45 | trelly | don't put any more lipstick on that _____________________ |
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| 08:02.03 | lkthomas | itchi, I am reading docs now |
| 08:02.18 | itchi | lkthomas: Just try out with some test data |
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| 08:02.38 | itchi | lkthomas: I insist on 'test' data ;-) |
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| 08:03.24 | cydork | lkthomas: bahh i read your question wrong.. archive mode will keep permissions, ownerships etc. intact is that what you are looking for? |
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| 08:03.43 | lkthomas | cydork, actually, I am planning to backup servers by rsync |
| 08:03.44 | hark | !rsync backup |
| 08:03.44 | dpkg | www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 08:04.58 | hark | !tape backup |
| 08:04.58 | dpkg | [tape backup] "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds |
| 08:05.09 | lkthomas | LOL |
| 08:05.10 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: did you take a look at backuppc |
| 08:05.24 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, nope, what's that ? |
| 08:05.41 | psyco-obiwan | rsync based disk backup solution with webfe |
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| 08:05.48 | lkthomas | webfe ? |
| 08:05.54 | psyco-obiwan | frontend |
| 08:06.11 | psyco-obiwan | http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 08:06.19 | lkthomas | reading |
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| 08:06.54 | psyco-obiwan | im backing up some 100Gb from about 50 machines with that |
| 08:07.02 | psyco-obiwan | per day |
| 08:07.22 | lkthomas | woo |
| 08:07.24 | lkthomas | GUI interface ?! |
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| 08:07.45 | lkthomas | WTF |
| 08:07.48 | lkthomas | that's nice |
| 08:07.50 | trelly | psycho - you at the dmv? |
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| 08:08.10 | psyco-obiwan | dmv ? |
| 08:08.24 | trelly | department of motor v... |
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| 08:08.37 | psyco-obiwan | ohh...im swiss and its called mfk here and no ;-) |
| 08:08.39 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, are you using that to backup windows machine as well ? |
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| 08:08.58 | faber4 | hi everybody |
| 08:08.59 | trelly | ok - psycho - you at the mfk? |
| 08:09.21 | faber4 | why is postgresql 8.2. still in experimental only ? |
| 08:09.27 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: yes, but i had problems with xp which just doesn't let me access its $ shares anymore from one day to another but it backups about 5 WinNT and Win2K machines |
| 08:09.54 | psyco-obiwan | trelly: no :) how come you think that ? |
| 08:10.27 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, I am wondering how is it work with windows |
| 08:11.08 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: either rsync or tar over smb |
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| 08:11.36 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, hmm |
| 08:11.38 | trelly | motor vehicle - only place i know that generates 100GB new data a day |
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| 08:12.46 | psyco-obiwan | hehe... ;-) no its not 100GB fresh data every day, only a few gigs, but a whole load of log data from web and mailservers ;-) |
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| 08:14.09 | trelly | that is a lot |
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| 08:15.03 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, after install backuppc, I got a nice web interface, but how to config it to backup server ? |
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| 08:15.58 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: first of all add a host to /etc/backuppc/hosts |
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| 08:16.52 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, can you give me one example line please ? |
| 08:16.55 | psyco-obiwan | then su - backuppc and try to backup it manually. That will create the dir structure und /var/lib/backuppc/pc for the machine. Copy the default config.pl there and adjust it. Try again manually until its working the first time |
| 08:17.11 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: example fro what ? |
| 08:17.16 | lkthomas | hosts |
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| 08:18.08 | psyco-obiwan | flatty 0 cschnee obiwan,root |
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| 08:18.28 | vchrizz | hi |
| 08:18.33 | psyco-obiwan | hostname <is dhcp?> <owner> <sec-admins> |
| 08:18.35 | lkthomas | what is cschnee obiwan,root for ? |
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| 08:18.47 | lkthomas | owner = backuppc owner ? |
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| 08:19.13 | psyco-obiwan | every machine has an owner who has the rights to restore resp. to backup the machine |
| 08:19.17 | psyco-obiwan | the secondary admins too |
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| 08:19.36 | psyco-obiwan | the user is recognized by the user you auth at the webserver (.htaccess) |
| 08:19.56 | lkthomas | I see, wait |
| 08:19.59 | psyco-obiwan | on debian everything is setup for one single user named backuppc |
| 08:20.34 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, yep, but I saw screenshot that I could use web interface to edit config file |
| 08:20.49 | lkthomas | and I can't find a link for edit the config file tho |
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| 08:21.15 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: maybe with 2.12 or later, i am using 2.10 and 2.11 and there is only a way to show the config in webUI |
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| 08:21.31 | psyco-obiwan | and vi is my friend... |
| 08:21.32 | lkthomas | oh |
| 08:21.33 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 08:22.50 | trelly | trudy and sheila are way better friends then vi |
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| 08:23.33 | hark | read /usr/share/doc/backuppc ? |
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| 08:25.17 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, OK, I added line to hosts, how could I do manual backup ?! |
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| 08:25.28 | psyco-obiwan | trelly: depends for what purpose ;-) I bet being out for dinner with vi isn't that much fun, but let trudy replace 27000 occurences of X with Y in file A and you know who your best friend is ;-) |
| 08:25.54 | vchrizz | uhm, /proc/asound/card0/oss_mixer shows everywhere volume set to "0" but in aumix ive got volume set to max; drivers are correctly installed i think: http://rafb.net/p/WGc77j20.html ... when i play some sound, i dont hear anything; may anybody help me? |
| 08:26.03 | niru | what is sul runner |
| 08:26.06 | niru | in firefox |
| 08:26.12 | hark | xul* |
| 08:26.22 | psyco-obiwan | su - backuppc and then "/usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_dump -v -f servername" |
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| 08:27.58 | tarzeau | niru: XML-based User interface Language (XML, Netscape, Mozilla, AOL) |
| 08:28.11 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, sounds like default are smb backup |
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| 08:28.18 | tarzeau | niru: it's slow, ugly and breaks from time to time |
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| 08:29.03 | psyco-obiwan | now copy the generic config.pl from /etc/backuppc to /var/lib/backuppc/pc/yourhost and change it to your nee |
| 08:29.05 | psyco-obiwan | ds |
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| 08:31.04 | niru | hark:is it xul? |
| 08:31.23 | hark | afaik |
| 08:31.46 | hark | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XULRunner |
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| 08:32.12 | hark | why? |
| 08:32.32 | hark | !xul |
| 08:32.32 | dpkg | it has been said that xul is http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/, or the cross platform UI for mozilla |
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| 08:34.05 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, I will need to deal with the key exchange on my own, right ? |
| 08:35.00 | hark | niru: how goes your distro? |
| 08:36.23 | tsurko | hello |
| 08:36.34 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: if using ssh, yes |
| 08:36.43 | tsurko | what do you use to lock your screen on non gnome/kde desktop? |
| 08:36.44 | trelly | i'm gonna teach trudy vi for sure now |
| 08:36.47 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, what about rsync / rsyncd ? |
| 08:38.10 | tarzeau | what font is this? http://www.fotosearch.de/images/fslogo.gif |
| 08:38.18 | tarzeau | tsurko: xtrlock or xlock |
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| 08:39.11 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: if rsync is running over ssh, the same is valid. If using rsyncd i dont know what auth is used there |
| 08:39.19 | tsurko | tarzeau, thank you |
| 08:39.39 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, so what method are you using with linux backup ? |
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| 08:43.09 | lkthomas | opppss |
| 08:43.23 | lkthomas | rsync would not compress anything |
| 08:43.26 | Gnea | wtf? is bts down? |
| 08:44.12 | markybob | Gnea, working here |
| 08:44.22 | Gnea | my be a bad route :( |
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| 08:45.15 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: rsync over ssh |
| 08:45.37 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, but then it wouldn't compress at all |
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| 08:46.56 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: why ? |
| 08:47.05 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, huh ? |
| 08:47.14 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, it just sync the whole system to backup server |
| 08:47.47 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: no, read a bit about it, it makes diff and full backups and compresses all the stuff later during maintenance |
| 08:47.56 | psyco-obiwan | independent of transfer method used |
| 08:48.23 | psyco-obiwan | lkthomas: afk a while for new coffee and tobacco ;-) |
| 08:50.27 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, sorry, would it be compress into one single file ? |
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| 08:53.14 | juanma | hi, is there any way to force a network reconfigure using debconf the first time a system is booted? |
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| 08:53.44 | Gnea | juanma: just edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:53.57 | juanma | Gnea, I mean via debconf |
| 08:54.26 | Gnea | juanma: i believe i answered your question |
| 08:54.53 | Gnea | juanma: debconf doesn't do network config past the initial afaik |
| 08:55.05 | Gnea | unless... |
| 08:55.15 | juanma | ok, that's what I was asking |
| 08:55.23 | juanma | thanks |
| 08:56.45 | ewanm89 | I'm having this problem, I've tried invoking doodled manually: http://pastebin.ca/411817 |
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| 09:05.01 | niru | hark:freezing our stable version and working on server version of BOSS |
| 09:05.20 | niru | hark:but still in dylama |
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| 09:06.56 | niru | hark:are you there |
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| 09:09.06 | ewanm89 | Can anyone help with this: http://pastebin.ca/411817 |
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| 09:10.09 | markybob | eek. compiz |
| 09:10.21 | niru | ewanm:try removing it using dpkg -P <name> |
| 09:10.22 | streuner_ | !info doodled |
| 09:10.27 | dpkg | doodled: (Desktop Search Engine (daemon)), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 09:10.30 | niru | ewanm89:try removing it using dpkg -P <name> |
| 09:10.39 | streuner_ | ewanm89: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 09:10.53 | streuner_ | ewanm89: and what does BTS say about? |
| 09:11.18 | ewanm89 | streuner_: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:11.34 | streuner_ | etch then |
| 09:11.43 | ewanm89 | Sid |
| 09:11.54 | streuner_ | !info libc6 sid |
| 09:11.58 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (sid), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
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| 09:12.29 | ewanm89 | BTS gives No reports found! |
| 09:13.10 | streuner_ | "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" |
| 09:13.29 | streuner_ | fix the script or just move it tempo to /tmp |
| 09:13.40 | azeem | ewanm89: inspect the prerm script and try to figure out what command it runs might fail silently |
| 09:13.46 | streuner_ | after that you just run 'apt-get -f install' |
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| 09:16.03 | ewanm89 | moving init script to /tmp/ worked, Thanks! |
| 09:16.24 | streuner_ | (dirty hack) |
| 09:16.43 | ewanm89 | I was trying to remove it :) |
| 09:16.55 | streuner_ | but in most cases its useful, if you aren't familar with some scripts of Debian |
| 09:17.06 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, you there ? |
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| 09:17.37 | ewanm89 | Just makesure yu run killall on the command that failed to stop! |
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| 09:18.45 | oiaohm | Is there anyway simplely with debians package manager to the a list of changed files since install of package. |
| 09:19.35 | tarzeau | oiaohm: apt-listchanges ? |
| 09:20.11 | oiaohm | Ok Looking in wrong place. I have been looking at dpkg. And not seeing it. |
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| 09:23.44 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:25.26 | archville | Hi. I'm trying to apt "live-package" but it says it has no candidate to install ¿ Anyone has had this problem recently ? |
| 09:26.15 | trelly | you are breezing through all that linux has to offer :) |
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| 09:27.02 | badfish | this is a really intersting free application. http://www.challenge-tv.com/index.php?mode=demodetail&demo=28007&dl=3 |
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| 09:27.21 | archville | Just playing around |
| 09:27.45 | trelly | when you going to get to fluxbox and mplayer? |
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| 09:28.08 | archville | I don't like fluxbox :P |
| 09:28.19 | archville | For minimalism i prefer ion2 |
| 09:28.41 | trelly | fluxbox is full of bells and whistles |
| 09:29.00 | archville | It feels a bit ankward to me |
| 09:29.29 | trelly | you need a tv card - am i right - a little tv screen in the corner of your gnome/kde window? |
| 09:29.49 | trelly | internet radio? ah |
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| 09:30.41 | archville | a tv card ? |
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| 09:31.20 | cydork | archville: are you using etch? |
| 09:31.25 | archville | cydork, yes |
| 09:31.49 | cydork | archville: live-package is removed from etch it seems. its in unstable. |
| 09:32.00 | archville | :\ |
| 09:32.16 | cydork | !why is live-package not in testing |
| 09:32.17 | dpkg | live-package is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=live-package |
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| 09:32.59 | archville | Time to try compiling it from sources then |
| 09:33.11 | cydork | archville: or try /msg dpkg simpe sid backport |
| 09:33.37 | cydork | bahh s/simpe/simple/ |
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| 09:36.37 | archville | thanks |
| 09:38.41 | pstickne | is there a nice utility to generate a filename based on the same (and maybe time)? |
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| 09:39.46 | petemc | pstickne: the same what? |
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| 09:40.03 | pstickne | err :p |
| 09:40.12 | pstickne | ... based on the date |
| 09:40.17 | torgen | hi. i open a tar.bz2 file with ark. i choose extract all. ark works for a little while opens the new folder. but it is empty?????????? |
| 09:40.19 | pstickne | I don't know were *that* came from |
| 09:40.50 | cydork | pstickne: touch `date +%s` :P |
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| 09:40.57 | petemc | pstickne: touch test-$(date +options) |
| 09:41.09 | petemc | or backticks... |
| 09:41.21 | pstickne | cydork, petemc, I was wondering if there something a tad more refined that everyone used :p |
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| 09:41.28 | petemc | thats not refined? |
| 09:41.35 | pstickne | geh, nvm :p |
| 09:41.40 | trelly | tar xvjf file.tar.bz2 gives empty file also? |
| 09:42.51 | torgen | i will try |
| 09:42.55 | torgen | ;@} |
| 09:43.09 | cydork | what is ";@}" ?? |
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| 09:44.17 | azeem | a smiley |
| 09:44.29 | Anand_k | whats the difference between Debian and Ubuntu Linux ? |
| 09:44.58 | azeem | Anand_k: see the Debian/Ubuntu changelog for each individual difference per package |
| 09:45.35 | Anand_k | azeem: ?? |
| 09:46.22 | bzed | !tell Anand_k about debian based |
| 09:46.35 | azeem | Anand_k: every package has /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 09:46.51 | torgen | hm... can not exec no such file or dir |
| 09:47.02 | azeem | Anand_k: if you compare those changelogs from a package between Debian and Ubuntu, you will find the difference |
| 09:47.24 | torgen | trelly: hm... can not exec no such file or dir |
| 09:47.35 | Anand_k | So what does debian mean. I am using FC6 Am just curious cause most of my friends suggest me to shift to debian |
| 09:47.38 | bzed | torgen: what's the output of tvfj yourtar.tar.bz2 ? paste it in a pastebin please |
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| 09:47.47 | bzed | !tell Anand_k about debian |
| 09:48.12 | torgen | ok |
| 09:48.16 | Konky | I think i found a buf in the ext3 driver, but maybe someone here has an idea: when i got a ext3 image in /image.img and i mount it as /image with -o loop . Then i can not mount root / as readonly anymore (always shows busy, even if the loop mount is readonly as well) |
| 09:48.17 | bzed | Anand_k: sorry for using the bot, but it's just faster than typing urls from head |
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| 09:48.24 | Anand_k | np |
| 09:48.35 | Anand_k | I will check it out |
| 09:48.37 | Anand_k | Thanks |
| 09:48.49 | bzed | you're welcome |
| 09:49.38 | bzed | Konky: #debian is not the right place for such questions, you should ask some fs gurus |
| 09:49.48 | torgen | bash: tvfj: command not found |
| 09:50.02 | Konky | from my experience #debian is the only chan where you can get competent answers about linux ^^ |
| 09:50.11 | Konky | that's why i asked here |
| 09:51.07 | bzed | Konky: :) |
| 09:51.17 | bzed | Konky: give me a minute please |
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| 09:51.28 | torgen | bzed: bash: tvjf: command not found |
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| 09:52.39 | jelly-home | torgen: make that "tar tvfj .....tar.bz2" |
| 09:52.59 | torgen | what does it do? |
| 09:53.09 | jelly-home | should list the contents |
| 09:53.21 | torgen | it opens fine in aks |
| 09:53.40 | torgen | but will not extract |
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| 09:54.03 | jelly-home | torgen: well you can always extract it with tar |
| 09:54.06 | Konky | hrm, girlfriend is ill, have to get out. but gonna read the log if you answer |
| 09:54.08 | bzed | Konky: I think the best place to ask that is in #linuxfs on oftc.net |
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| 09:54.29 | bzed | Konky: there're the rigt gurus hanging out |
| 09:55.45 | torgen | ~/Desktop$ tar tvjf ices-2.0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 09:55.56 | torgen | tar: bzip2: Kan ikke exec: Ingen slik fil eller filkatalog |
| 09:55.56 | torgen | tar: Fejl kan ikke reddes; afslutter nu |
| 09:55.56 | torgen | tar: Child returned status 2 |
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| 09:56.11 | jelly-home | torgen: you don't have bzip2 installed? |
| 09:56.29 | lkthomas | anyone using backuppc ? |
| 09:56.41 | torgen | ah.. ok |
| 09:56.50 | lkthomas | psyco-obiwan, |
| 09:57.04 | torgen | apt-get install bzip2? |
| 09:57.13 | jelly-home | yup |
| 09:57.19 | torgen | sweet |
| 09:57.57 | trelly | are you root using tar xvjf file.tar.bz2 gives empty file also? |
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| 09:59.35 | jelly-home | trelly: tar will do jack shit even as root if there's nothing to uncompress the archive with |
| 10:00.12 | trelly | isn't the bunzip inside tar? i don't know |
| 10:00.32 | jelly-home | the "tar: bzip2: Can't exec: no such file in path" error is kinda indicative |
| 10:01.27 | torgen | still doesnt work |
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| 10:01.38 | jelly-home | !doesn't work |
| 10:01.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:01.52 | torgen | can i get ices2 with apt-get instead? |
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| 10:03.05 | jelly-home | torgen: apt-cache search ices2 |
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| 10:03.30 | jelly-home | !tell torgen -about search |
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| 10:10.19 | js_ | i notice a lot of package updates available in the stable repo |
| 10:10.23 | js_ | is something going on? |
| 10:10.43 | js_ | apparently, as changing from stable to sarge in my sources didnt include the updates |
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| 10:20.05 | trelly | torgen ist you da root guy? |
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| 10:27.50 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:27.51 | dpkg | <ribnitz> but windoze does it, and if windows does it it can't be that wrong :) |
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| 10:28.53 | jariep1_ | hi all |
| 10:29.03 | jariep1_ | how do i open konqueror as root from shell? |
| 10:29.19 | tarzeau | jariep1_: type konqueror as root in the shell? |
| 10:29.52 | liable | gksu, sux, kdesu |
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| 10:30.15 | xand | jariep1_: you shouldn't run it as root. |
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| 10:33.12 | bill_ | has anyone ever heard of apt-get downloading corrupt .debs? i can't for the life of me figure out why they're corrupt, but it is intermittent and usually larger files |
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| 10:33.41 | bill_ | i'm not sure if its my network or my machine or linux |
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| 10:38.25 | crappy | hello |
| 10:38.33 | crappy | newbie here |
| 10:38.38 | crappy | just installed debian |
| 10:38.49 | crappy | and now trying to install Xorg, but I cant login to root! |
| 10:38.58 | crappy | it says password is incorrect |
| 10:39.02 | crappy | but I'm sure it is |
| 10:39.06 | crappy | very sure actually |
| 10:39.53 | comsa | caps |
| 10:40.04 | crappy | no! its all numbers |
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| 10:41.41 | liable | !ifrp |
| 10:41.41 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 10:41.43 | liable | try that |
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| 10:45.13 | crappy | liable, I'm in GRUB now, I should add that line to the line starting with kernel or initrd? |
| 10:45.30 | crappy | ah |
| 10:45.34 | crappy | kernel |
| 10:45.36 | crappy | ok |
| 10:46.12 | trelly | linux 2 doesn't work |
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| 10:47.05 | crappy | btw, liable, all of my files are in single fs, / |
| 10:47.12 | crappy | that was recommened by the installer |
| 10:47.18 | crappy | for new users that is |
| 10:47.47 | crappy | I did the fsck, it says clean |
| 10:48.26 | liable | !ping |
| 10:48.26 | dpkg | pong |
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| 10:49.14 | bzed | bill_: try a different mirror or http instead of ftp (or otherwise round) |
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| 10:49.54 | crappy | liable, I trid changing the password, but it says |Authentication token lock busy" |
| 10:50.01 | crappy | is that a success or faliure? |
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| 10:51.35 | crappy | ping: liable |
| 10:52.06 | crappy | ping: living souls |
| 10:52.16 | bzed | that's a failure |
| 10:52.17 | bzed | try |
| 10:52.24 | bzed | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 10:52.32 | crappy | I did |
| 10:52.33 | bzed | and then try passwd again |
| 10:52.34 | crappy | no good |
| 10:52.43 | bzed | what does it say?> |
| 10:52.48 | crappy | I rebooted into the system and I still cant login using root |
| 10:53.03 | crappy | bzed, for the command you entered, it says nothing |
| 10:53.07 | crappy | returns the shell back |
| 10:53.11 | bzed | ok |
| 10:53.18 | bzed | then run passwd now |
| 10:53.25 | bzed | it should ask you for a enw password |
| 10:54.01 | crappy | it did |
| 10:54.04 | crappy | I entered it |
| 10:54.10 | crappy | and rebooted and tried it |
| 10:54.11 | crappy | no good |
| 10:54.37 | crappy | default installation |
| 10:54.46 | crappy | used a single partition |
| 10:54.55 | crappy | what could be causing this? :( |
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| 10:55.07 | crappy | I can login to my user account though |
| 10:55.08 | fengor | wrong typing |
| 10:55.12 | crappy | just not root |
| 10:55.20 | crappy | fengor, no I'm very sure my typing is correct |
| 10:55.45 | comsa | console or gui |
| 10:55.55 | crappy | console |
| 10:55.57 | GutterPunk | I'm working for a small webhosting company. Currently, adding a new hosting happens per server, using a simple bash script on each one. Passwords are kept in a file. I'm looking for a solution, or a guide to set up an automated, clustered system to configure new hostings. Can anyone point me in the right direction. I know it's off topic... |
| 10:55.57 | GutterPunk | <GutterPunk> Goal is to do central management, keep passwords safe in a centralized location, possibly using mysql or ldap. Basically, how do the big guys do things? |
| 10:56.14 | crappy | default debian installation, fresh |
| 10:56.57 | bzed | crappy: are you sure you've installed debian and not Ubuntu? |
| 10:57.04 | petemc | GutterPunk: ldap/kerberos would be a common configuration |
| 10:57.17 | crappy | bzed, yup, pretty sure |
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| 10:57.39 | pstickne | does anyone know of a utility to connect two unix domain-sockets over IP? |
| 10:57.42 | giupy | anyone use wmcpuload with an smp system? |
| 10:58.04 | bzed | GutterPunk: look at dtc and/or gosa. |
| 10:58.06 | fengor | if you followed the above steps exactly you should have resetted your root passwd. seems like somethign went wrong in between crappy. but what exactly we cant tell because the glass ball is murky |
| 10:58.35 | bzed | crappy: try sudo /bin/bash |
| 10:58.41 | crappy | fengor, I did reset the password, and it was successful. But I cant login into root. It must be some security measure or something |
| 10:58.51 | bzed | there's nothing like that in debian |
| 10:58.55 | fengor | are you tring to login locally or remotely? |
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| 10:59.12 | fengor | there is something like that built into ssh iirc bzed |
| 10:59.21 | crappy | I'm in bash |
| 10:59.25 | c5jr | crappy if youve changed a hostname in /etc/hosts and the system cant identify itself, you may be able to lock yourself out |
| 10:59.26 | crappy | and it said sudo not found |
| 10:59.34 | c5jr | apt-get install sudo |
| 10:59.38 | bzed | ok, then I'm at least sure you're not on ubuntu :P |
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| 10:59.50 | c5jr | sudo doesnt come on the netinst cd iirc |
| 10:59.56 | crappy | how can I run apt-get if I'm not root |
| 11:00.00 | bzed | c5jr: uh? a local root should be able to login - always |
| 11:00.12 | comsa | :) |
| 11:00.14 | c5jr | to do a su - root |
| 11:00.23 | bzed | crappy: did you change anythign else after installing? |
| 11:00.28 | crappy | yes but I cant login into root |
| 11:00.30 | crappy | bzed, NO |
| 11:00.36 | crappy | caps mistake! |
| 11:00.37 | liable | crappy: sorry, my wireless crapped out |
| 11:00.45 | c5jr | so you log in as root, and install sudo? |
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| 11:00.55 | GutterPunk | thanks for the ideas :) I'll look into them |
| 11:01.08 | crappy | c5jr, problem is I cant login as root! |
| 11:01.13 | crappy | liable, np :) |
| 11:01.20 | c5jr | and no root pw |
| 11:01.29 | c5jr | can you boot into single user mode? |
| 11:01.34 | c5jr | and from there set the root pw |
| 11:01.38 | crappy | I did reset the password, but still unable to login |
| 11:01.39 | fengor | crappy: how do you exactly tro to log in as root? |
| 11:01.49 | c5jr | boo @ that shit crappy |
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| 11:02.12 | fengor | s/try/tro/ |
| 11:02.13 | c5jr | and you cant read the logs to see why you couldnt login as root either? |
| 11:02.26 | crappy | at the login prompt, I enter root as the username, and enter my password as the pass, it would wait for a sec and tell me wrong pass |
| 11:02.42 | fengor | try logging in as a user |
| 11:02.47 | c5jr | well you couldve fucked up your authentication mechanism |
| 11:02.49 | fengor | and then typing su - |
| 11:02.50 | crappy | I can login as user |
| 11:03.01 | crappy | fengor, that doesnt work either |
| 11:03.08 | fengor | when asked for a password enter your root pw |
| 11:03.14 | crappy | su always tells me false authentication |
| 11:03.19 | bzed | when did you download the installer, and from where? |
| 11:03.20 | GutterPunk | bzed, can you point me to dtc? I get a lot of results for this acronym... don't really know what I'm looking for |
| 11:03.20 | crappy | ah |
| 11:03.21 | fengor | then you are probably entering the wrong pw |
| 11:03.28 | bzed | GutterPunk: apt-cache show dtc |
| 11:03.29 | crappy | bzed, official debian |
| 11:03.38 | bzed | crappy: where. url please |
| 11:04.01 | torrgen | where do i find documentation for dpkg |
| 11:04.07 | fengor | man dpkg |
| 11:04.07 | c5jr | man dpkg |
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| 11:04.13 | c5jr | beat you :) |
| 11:04.13 | torrgen | ah |
| 11:04.14 | bzed | torrgen: /usr/share/doc/dpkg, man dpkg |
| 11:04.17 | crappy | I got the netinst CD image off debian, and got the components off the net |
| 11:04.19 | fengor | ;p |
| 11:04.31 | GutterPunk | bzed, thanks :) |
| 11:04.35 | fengor | WHERE FROM crappy |
| 11:04.42 | crappy | debian.org |
| 11:04.43 | fengor | from debian is not a valid url |
| 11:05.00 | bzed | crappy: which CD. there're old versions, new versions, sarge, etch |
| 11:05.00 | bzed | point me to an image please |
| 11:05.03 | bzed | the one you've downloaded and used. |
| 11:05.06 | crappy | you mean which exact mirror? I can't recall which exact mirror |
| 11:05.18 | bzed | but you can recall where you've clicked |
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| 11:05.21 | liable | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:05.45 | crappy | 3.1 |
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| 11:06.08 | liable | i have had login problems myself recently and recall someone else with it too. though mine seem to have been related to a fingerprint reader |
| 11:06.08 | phogg | worst case scenario, find a local root exploit |
| 11:06.24 | crappy | ah |
| 11:06.28 | crappy | thinkpad?\ |
| 11:06.32 | liable | crappy: thats sarge, and quite unusual that you would have that problem |
| 11:06.35 | liable | crappy: yes |
| 11:06.48 | fengor | phogg shouldnt be necessary since he can boot into single user |
| 11:06.51 | crappy | liable, I was thinking of getting one myself. Which model is yours? |
| 11:06.57 | crappy | oh we are deviating :( |
| 11:06.57 | liable | crappy: t60p |
| 11:07.02 | crappy | wiw |
| 11:07.04 | bzed | thinkpads rock |
| 11:07.11 | crappy | wow that is some serious hardware, I wanted to get one of those |
| 11:07.13 | c5jr | ive been thinking about putting a laptop in colocation |
| 11:07.25 | crappy | though I must say I dont like the new key that was introduced (READ: WINDOWS!) |
| 11:07.25 | c5jr | rackspace is cheap as fuck here... |
| 11:07.39 | phogg | crappy: under new management, new rules. |
| 11:07.45 | c5jr | 1/4 cabinet full of laptops, thats many laptops |
| 11:07.46 | crappy | yup |
| 11:07.50 | liable | they are offering suse |
| 11:07.56 | bzed | stupid lenovo let's bill lick their **** |
| 11:08.03 | crappy | rofl |
| 11:08.04 | c5jr | heh |
| 11:08.08 | crappy | business |
| 11:08.23 | crappy | so any other clues on what I should do? |
| 11:08.29 | c5jr | single user mode |
| 11:08.30 | bzed | crappy: you've just installed the system? |
| 11:08.34 | crappy | yes |
| 11:08.35 | crappy | fresh |
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| 11:08.53 | Ulixes | hi |
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| 11:09.09 | Ulixes | how can i extract the content of a tar.gz file from terminal? |
| 11:09.16 | liable | crappy: reset it with a simple less than 8 letter password with the init=/bin/sh thing |
| 11:09.20 | xand | tar zxvf somefile.tar.gz |
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| 11:09.22 | phogg | Ulixes: tar xzf filename.tar.gz |
| 11:09.23 | Ulixes | thz |
| 11:09.27 | liable | ! |
| 11:09.29 | bzed | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <, get an etch installer, remove the sarge stuff and install etch ;) at least then you can be sure that the installer works and it's an official one. |
| 11:09.48 | c5jr | the new etch stuff works for me |
| 11:09.52 | crappy | liable, I reset. it wont accept any logins to root |
| 11:09.55 | liable | bzed: erm, i think we can safely say the sarge installer works.. |
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| 11:10.12 | crappy | ok will someone post a link to a good debain cd image |
| 11:10.15 | liable | crappy: do it again with a simple alphabetic word |
| 11:10.17 | bzed | liable: it usually does, indeed |
| 11:10.38 | crappy | I think I will just reinstall |
| 11:10.45 | crappy | I'm dual booting vista and debian |
| 11:10.45 | c5jr | get etch if you can |
| 11:10.50 | c5jr | no reason to have sarge i see |
| 11:10.52 | crappy | etch |
| 11:10.53 | Harzilein | crappy: nah, that's just overreacting |
| 11:10.59 | crappy | what is the difference? |
| 11:11.04 | c5jr | its newer |
| 11:11.04 | Harzilein | crappy: boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 11:11.15 | Harzilein | crappy: edit /etc/shadow |
| 11:11.17 | c5jr | new this, new that, more support for this, less of that bs, you know... |
| 11:11.28 | Ulixes | and how to extract instead a tar.bz2? |
| 11:11.34 | phogg | c5jr: less well tested, fewer bugs fixed... |
| 11:11.38 | liable | !tell Ulixes about tar |
| 11:11.39 | c5jr | true |
| 11:11.42 | Harzilein | crappy: remove the encrypted password |
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| 11:11.48 | Harzilein | crappy: try to remount ro |
| 11:12.00 | Harzilein | crappy: if that fails, sync some and cross your fingers |
| 11:12.04 | Harzilein | crappy: then reboot |
| 11:12.04 | crappy | why do I need to do all this? this is a fresh default installation |
| 11:12.07 | crappy | it should work fine |
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| 11:12.30 | bzed | crappy: i've installed tons of sarge installations and it always worked fine |
| 11:12.52 | petemc | ive just installed with most recent etch netinst, it also worked fine |
| 11:12.55 | liable | crappy: and it has for thousands, its hard to say when we dont know who is really behind your keyboard (not meant as an insult) |
| 11:13.10 | crappy | oh well |
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| 11:13.15 | bzed | crappy: so either youv'e did somethign REALLY weird while installing, or there's somethign totally wrong with your keyboard, or it's really some dubm mistake you're doing |
| 11:13.15 | crappy | I did follow the guide.. |
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| 11:13.38 | bzed | crappy: or you've managed to find a broken installer somewhere after clicking random links |
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| 11:14.00 | c5jr | broken installers exist.... and SUCK |
| 11:14.00 | daya | #ubuntu |
| 11:14.10 | crappy | ah |
| 11:14.11 | bzed | !lart daya |
| 11:14.16 | liable | is ---> that way |
| 11:14.33 | crappy | will you post a link to a good debain ? |
| 11:14.38 | crappy | I will download from your link\ |
| 11:14.40 | bzed | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:14.42 | liable | !d-i crappy |
| 11:14.43 | dpkg | crappy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:14.57 | liable | second link |
| 11:15.15 | bzed | yes, NOT sarge |
| 11:15.16 | crappy | ok |
| 11:15.19 | daya | bzed, sorry |
| 11:15.44 | liable | daya: no need to apaologise, just dont ask ubuntu questions in here :) |
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| 11:15.58 | bzed | crappy: you probably want to choose the i386 installer |
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| 11:16.35 | crappy | bzed, I'm not that newbie :) |
| 11:16.37 | bzed | crappy: download the netinstall iso and isntall from it. when you're re-installing make sure you format your linux partitions |
| 11:16.42 | crappy | ok I'm getting this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:16.53 | c5jr | that looks like a winner |
| 11:16.57 | c5jr | wait |
| 11:17.06 | bzed | crappy: well, I guess when you're using windows vista that you're using a core duo or so and then you could use amd64 |
| 11:17.07 | daya | liable, is there any command for dpkg such that i can install dependent packages |
| 11:17.21 | loply | Hi folks, is there a way of downgrading from Testing to Stable which won't break the system? |
| 11:17.24 | bzed | daya: use apt-get for that |
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| 11:17.35 | bzed | loply: neither recommended nor will it work |
| 11:17.39 | crappy | bzed, I intend to install the nvidia drivers, not supported on 64 |
| 11:17.41 | liable | daya: eh, reword that, i didnt quite understand exactly what you meant |
| 11:17.50 | bzed | crappy: they're supported on amd64 |
| 11:17.52 | c5jr | loply, youll do an apt-get dist-upgrade after changing your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:17.57 | liable | no |
| 11:18.02 | c5jr | wont work? |
| 11:18.05 | bzed | crappy: but flash won't work for example |
| 11:18.06 | loply | c5jr: But will the dependencies confuse apt |
| 11:18.20 | liable | loply: you cant, back up you data and reinstall |
| 11:18.27 | crappy | ok\ |
| 11:18.29 | bzed | c5jr: not from testing back to stable |
| 11:18.32 | c5jr | ah |
| 11:18.36 | bubbles | ... |
| 11:18.41 | daya | liable, I mean I have a bunch of packages I want to install all them using dpkg, but due to dependecy |
| 11:18.44 | bzed | loply: you jsut want to change your sources to etch |
| 11:18.47 | daya | liable, i am not able to |
| 11:18.51 | bzed | loply: and you'll ahve stable in a few weeks |
| 11:18.55 | fengor | daya: use apt-get or aptitude |
| 11:19.02 | loply | bzed: Yeah I have done that, but this is a production server and a recent change in Etch caused problems |
| 11:19.06 | liable | daya: man dpkg <see --force-depends option> |
| 11:19.12 | bzed | daya: dpkg -i */deb |
| 11:19.14 | loply | bzed: Ah, good to hear, I'll just hold on until then, then |
| 11:19.15 | bzed | daya: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 11:19.29 | bzed | loply: which change caused problems? |
| 11:19.45 | liable | loply: cant you downgrade offending package only? |
| 11:19.59 | c5jr | that should be a possibility |
| 11:20.07 | c5jr | depending on dependencies |
| 11:20.09 | jelly | <bzed> loply: and you'll ahve stable in a few weeks -- that's what they said in November! |
| 11:20.19 | crappy | I will get that and see. thanks for your help everyone |
| 11:20.20 | liable | heh |
| 11:20.25 | crappy | I will be back |
| 11:20.27 | crappy | goodbye |
| 11:20.38 | daya | fengor, W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 11:20.39 | liable | !releasesmite jelly |
| 11:20.41 | jelly | !rcbugs |
| 11:20.43 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 11:20.43 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 11:20.46 | liable | :( |
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| 11:20.59 | cydork | yay 32!! |
| 11:21.01 | loply | bzed: I'm not sure, I upgraded last week and suddenly a load of PHP scripts stopped working, particularly ones using "gd" it seemed |
| 11:21.01 | daya | fengor, what I have to do , apt-key add , but |
| 11:21.06 | daya | fengor, problem is not solved. |
| 11:21.07 | loply | bzed: I dont know which change caused it though |
| 11:21.17 | jelly | been at 32 for two weeks now :-| |
| 11:21.50 | cydork | jelly: na last time i checked it was 39 or something.. |
| 11:21.54 | jelly | truth be told they're not all the same :-) |
| 11:21.56 | loply | bzed: Ah yes and also I couldnt access postgres via apache any more, I had to log in to postgres and add a user called "root" for it to work again |
| 11:22.03 | liable | daya: that problem doesnt stop you installing, but, are you actually using debian or ubuntu? |
| 11:22.12 | c5jr | a postgres problem! |
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| 11:22.38 | DawnLight | does anyone know about that dhcp bug where it doesn't detect the default route? |
| 11:22.39 | daya | liable, I am from our own linux system |
| 11:22.44 | daya | liable, www.nepalinux.org |
| 11:22.47 | sk_ | Where can I file a bug for the etch-installer? |
| 11:22.55 | daya | liable, based on debian |
| 11:23.02 | liable | daya: but.. thats not debian.. |
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| 11:23.09 | c5jr | heh |
| 11:23.17 | c5jr | i am from suriyan, suriyan.org, we are based on debian |
| 11:23.21 | liable | !based on debian |
| 11:23.22 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 11:23.39 | c5jr | its a cottage industry |
| 11:24.09 | liable | and as annoying as fuck when we try and get shit that should work, but doesnt, because its not debian |
| 11:24.33 | c5jr | yah i understand |
| 11:24.47 | azeem | Debian is very grateful of all its derived distributions, though |
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| 11:25.51 | liable | whois Debian? |
| 11:25.52 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 11:26.08 | cydork | sk_: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html#submit-bug |
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| 11:26.24 | loply | where did the name "Debian" come from? |
| 11:26.30 | azeem | !debian |
| 11:26.30 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 11:26.51 | dury | liable: it's a distribution of Linux, like others - fedora, ubuntu, etc |
| 11:26.56 | bubbles | a man and his wife |
| 11:27.02 | liable | loply: check debian.org try and find a history page, or just google 'debian history' |
| 11:27.21 | liable | dury: yes it is, your point being? |
| 11:27.27 | azeem | liable: you asked. |
| 11:27.33 | bzed | loply: hmm, you probably want to figure that out and report a bug really soon if it's somethign serious |
| 11:27.54 | liable | azeem: i asked 'whois' in response to your comment, not, 'whatis' |
| 11:28.16 | azeem | liable: that's easily misunderstood so, apparently |
| 11:28.19 | dury | anyway I have another problem with my hdb drive |
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| 11:29.03 | bubbles | liable: you should ask "whoare" |
| 11:29.06 | dury | I have to specify its filesystem type, like ext3 or ext2 |
| 11:29.29 | loply | bzed: Well I've figured out the PHP bug... The scripts in question were doing 'dl("gd.so")' and 'dl("pgsql.so")' because they run via CLI, not via webserver, and these objects needed to be loaded dynamically. Somebody changed something so that these objects are loaded by default via CLI, and functions got duplicated. Just had to comment the lines out, but it broke the webserver until I did that. Not sure if I understand the n |
| 11:29.33 | liable | dury: and what is its fs? |
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| 11:29.44 | liable | thats usually not a good sign |
| 11:29.50 | c5jr | nah that can be fine |
| 11:29.59 | dury | how can I do that guys |
| 11:30.01 | c5jr | depends what kind of disk... i have to do that all the time with usb stuff |
| 11:30.22 | c5jr | you mount and specify type |
| 11:30.34 | torrgen | hm. i installed ices2 with apt-get but it does not appear where it is supposed to do. i learned that i can use dpkg some how to find where the package is installed but i cannot find out how. how do i find where my ices2 files are. please |
| 11:30.47 | azeem | dpkg -L ices2 |
| 11:30.47 | dpkg | ii ices2 2.5-3.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 11:31.05 | torrgen | tnx |
| 11:31.09 | fengor | mount -t fstype device dir |
| 11:31.15 | dury | c5jr: but I don't know the type, see? |
| 11:31.26 | c5jr | where did you get this hdd? |
| 11:31.36 | c5jr | you can make educated guesses :) |
| 11:32.18 | fengor | what is supposed to be on that partition? |
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| 11:32.18 | dury | c5jr: is it possble to format it and specify ext3 for instance |
| 11:32.20 | c5jr | yes |
| 11:32.22 | c5jr | fo sho |
| 11:32.26 | fengor | yes dury, you can foramt hard drives |
| 11:32.27 | c5jr | fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 11:32.33 | azeem | dury: are you interested in the current content? |
| 11:32.41 | fengor | format even |
| 11:32.44 | dury | not at all |
| 11:32.49 | c5jr | you can even use fdisk to see what kind of type it is.... |
| 11:32.54 | c5jr | fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 11:32.55 | azeem | dury: then run cfdisk or parted |
| 11:32.57 | bzed | loply: I think I do not want to understand why any webserver stuff is using the cli at all |
| 11:32.58 | c5jr | then p for print |
| 11:33.06 | c5jr | and itll show you what partitions are there, and their types |
| 11:33.09 | bzed | loply: not to forget that php sucks ass anyway :\ |
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| 11:33.19 | c5jr | php is horrible |
| 11:33.21 | fengor | dury: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdb ;) then fdisk or sparted |
| 11:33.30 | azeem | fengor: uhm, why? |
| 11:33.33 | c5jr | why not shred? |
| 11:33.35 | loply | bzed: Well the webserver would launch an image processing script, which was a PHP script, as a background process because it takes a few hours |
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| 11:33.41 | azeem | also, cfdisk is really more user-friendly than fdisk |
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| 11:33.59 | bubbles | is there a package anager based-on php? |
| 11:34.06 | c5jr | god i hope not |
| 11:34.11 | bubbles | hahaha |
| 11:34.12 | fengor | azeem: always good to wipe a disk justin case the previous owner forgot to |
| 11:34.25 | azeem | fengor: and what does that buy you? |
| 11:35.10 | loply | it means if the previous owner liked Thai children you can't be incriminated? |
| 11:35.12 | fengor | a supposedly (although 1 run isn't quite enough for that) clean disk |
| 11:35.31 | bzed | loply: for example |
| 11:35.34 | dury | fengor: sorry to ask you again, but could you repeat please |
| 11:35.47 | dury | I've lost it |
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| 11:36.25 | fengor | dury if you want to repartition and format the disk you use a partioning tool like fdisk, cfdisk or any other to make partitions and then format the partitions with the mkfs command |
| 11:36.26 | phogg | fengor: always copy the previous owner's porn off, first |
| 11:36.47 | bzed | loply: I'm not sure why anybody would need to do such things with php... but well.... actually such a script should check if a library is allready loaded or not |
| 11:36.55 | fengor | if you want to wipe the disk prior to that you do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdb to overwrite the whole disk with pseudorandom data |
| 11:36.59 | rpetre | how can i teach apt-listbugs to use bugs.debian.org directly, as it currently doesn't work (bugs.donarmstrong.com is down)? |
| 11:37.04 | bzed | phogg: and then blackmail them? :P |
| 11:37.07 | dury | fengor: in that hdb I want the entire or full disk |
| 11:37.11 | c5jr | fengor, have you read man shred before? |
| 11:37.22 | phogg | bzed: nah. Porn is its own reward. |
| 11:37.23 | c5jr | itll do that for you... and specify number of writes |
| 11:37.33 | c5jr | you can do randoms, then an all 0's, etc |
| 11:37.49 | loply | bzed: Perhaps it is the fault of the script then, but in any case it stopped working after some updates, though was easily fixed. Since no config files were changed I assume the update must have involved a hard coded default for those libraries being loaded. |
| 11:38.10 | sf7 | why does gedit fail ("cant open display") when I'm superuser? |
| 11:38.16 | fengor | didnt use shred till now but gonna take a looka t it c5jr |
| 11:38.23 | c5jr | :) |
| 11:38.26 | liable | rpetre: when did listbugs start using that server? |
| 11:38.30 | bzed | loply: I doubt that |
| 11:38.36 | phogg | sf7: $DISPLAY probably not set |
| 11:38.40 | bzed | loply: what I guess is that the way to configure things has changed |
| 11:38.41 | c5jr | dban is good too, if youre just leaving a place of employment... |
| 11:38.42 | fengor | but basically i prefer randoms to 0's cause i use encrypted loopbacks ;) |
| 11:38.47 | phogg | sf7: export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; gedit |
| 11:38.51 | fengor | harder to tell where tehy end that way ;) |
| 11:39.08 | bzed | loply: there's a conf.d (or similar) directory in /etc/php5/..../ now, and things are removed from the php.ini |
| 11:39.24 | c5jr | fun hehe |
| 11:39.53 | fengor | dury: just fire up the partitioner then and make a partition spanning the disk and format that |
| 11:40.09 | bubbles | how is php6 now? |
| 11:40.40 | bubbles | they said its a revolution |
| 11:40.53 | c5jr | so is vista |
| 11:40.58 | phogg | sure |
| 11:41.01 | azeem | bubbles: how is that related to Debian? |
| 11:41.16 | bubbles | ok... |
| 11:41.33 | dury | fengor: fire up the partition. how is that.. I would appreciate to be a bit patient with me |
| 11:41.52 | c5jr | dury, get to a command line |
| 11:41.54 | fengor | man fdisk or man cfdisk dury |
| 11:42.02 | dury | fengor my english, anyway |
| 11:42.09 | loply | dury: you may find the "parted" program easier to understand |
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| 11:42.34 | dury | hang on guys |
| 11:42.36 | sf7 | phogg: 'connection to :0.0 refused by server' |
| 11:42.36 | dury | mmm |
| 11:42.46 | azeem | can you guys please stop to recommend fdisk to inexperienced users? |
| 11:43.00 | dury | I did cfdisk |
| 11:43.04 | phogg | sf7: you have an x authentication issue. But I must be off to work, so ask someone else |
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| 11:43.48 | liable | rpetre: out of interest, where have you set that server in your apt config? |
| 11:44.00 | fengor | cfdisk is fine as well a slong you get a partition table written to the disk |
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| 11:44.12 | c5jr | sf7, you might need to enable X11Forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 11:44.21 | c5jr | i think it is disabled by default |
| 11:44.33 | azeem | and have xauth installed on both ends |
| 11:44.49 | c5jr | heh yah x forwarding is always fun |
| 11:45.06 | liable | whats so fun about it? |
| 11:45.11 | c5jr | well, its not fun |
| 11:45.17 | c5jr | especially with bad isps |
| 11:45.26 | c5jr | who put you in NAT hell |
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| 11:46.28 | c5jr | some isps here only give you port 80, all others closed |
| 11:46.41 | c5jr | some are a little more open-minded about this multiple-port 'internet' thingy |
| 11:46.44 | sf7 | i can see the option. but im catch22'd. if im not superuser i can see it in gedit but cant modify the file. and f i AM i cant use gedit to modify it. |
| 11:47.10 | c5jr | you can use vi or nano or emacs or joe or whatever as superuser |
| 11:47.12 | dury | the hdb is as a whole disk name=hdb1; part type=Primary; fs type=Linux; that's what it says |
| 11:47.15 | loply | use gedit to create a new file, then use superuser to cat it into the old one? |
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| 11:47.23 | c5jr | from the command line, then the whole display thing is uniportant |
| 11:47.27 | liable | sf7: you want to use 'gksu gedit' as an ordinary user |
| 11:47.32 | c5jr | important |
| 11:48.06 | c5jr | sounds like a linux partition loply |
| 11:48.08 | liable | sf7: or better yet, learn to use a decent console based editor, you will be glad you know how when x breaks on you and you need to fix stuff |
| 11:48.16 | fengor | dury: good now you have to format the partition |
| 11:48.25 | fengor | for example mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb3 |
| 11:48.26 | c5jr | format it or mount it and see what you got |
| 11:48.28 | fengor | for example mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 |
| 11:48.58 | dury | great fengor I got it |
| 11:49.08 | liable | it must be sunday everywhere but here.. |
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| 11:49.20 | sf7 | liable .. ok whats the easiest to learn |
| 11:49.29 | c5jr | nano |
| 11:49.39 | c5jr | vi is better but has a learning curve |
| 11:49.47 | sf7 | hotdamn how do i get out of vi ? :p im TRAPPED |
| 11:50.02 | fengor | i recmmend learning vi or emacs since those two are the most widely used ones in my experience |
| 11:50.04 | Harzilein | c5jr: but i think with modern implementations it is less steep |
| 11:50.12 | c5jr | true |
| 11:50.20 | fengor | sf7: hit ESC till you are in command mode and then enter :q! |
| 11:50.26 | Harzilein | c5jr: with moving also possible in insert mode and deleting over the insert point |
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| 11:50.41 | wintix | sf7: press ESC to enter command mode, then :x to save and exit or :q! to exit without saving. |
| 11:50.43 | liable | sf7: even vi/vim is easy for simple editing, open the file, hit 'i' to edit, hit <esc> then <shift>zz to save (or :wq) |
| 11:50.56 | Harzilein | c5jr: and deletions not happening with least traffic in mind |
| 11:51.53 | c5jr | yah vim is what i like to use |
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| 11:53.00 | Harzilein | sf7: use vim ~/.vimrc as your first thing to practice on, there you can add set nocompatible (though that is implicit in having a .vimrc, but i like to specify it anyway) |
| 11:53.09 | liable | vimtutor |
| 11:53.26 | bubbles | everyone has a perfect .vimrc |
| 11:53.31 | Harzilein | liable: i think that thing makes it appear as things like moving were hard |
| 11:53.48 | torrgen | anyone who knows icecast here? |
| 11:53.52 | loply | what version number is etch? |
| 11:54.00 | liable | 4.0 |
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| 11:56.47 | torrgen | apt-get install libshout3 |
| 11:56.47 | torrgen | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 11:56.47 | torrgen | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 11:56.58 | c5jr | sudo |
| 11:57.00 | c5jr | you have to be root |
| 11:57.02 | torrgen | sorry |
| 11:57.10 | xand | that's not the error you get when not root |
| 11:57.13 | torrgen | nevermind tjat |
| 11:57.21 | c5jr | nah root gives you 13, right? |
| 11:57.38 | thnee | how can i find out what numbers are available as input for grub-set-default? |
| 11:58.06 | torrgen | anyone who can provide help with icecast, i get no reponse at #icecast |
| 11:58.22 | azeem | torrgen: how long did you wait for respsonses? |
| 11:58.25 | azeem | responses* |
| 11:58.31 | c5jr | id like to know about icecast too torrgen |
| 11:58.42 | torrgen | 3-4 minuttes |
| 11:58.43 | Lunchbox | Hi all. Does anyone here have any experience with VNC and linux? I've currently configured it so it works (Port forwarding etc is done) but what i want to do, I want to be able to login to the session that is auto started at boot. I read somewhere about inetd launching the service itself on boot, is anyone able to point me in the right direction? |
| 11:58.48 | torrgen | maybe more |
| 11:59.00 | azeem | torrgen: wait 3-4 hours |
| 11:59.05 | c5jr | yah |
| 11:59.11 | Harzilein | Lunchbox: inetd is exactly the opposite of what you want |
| 11:59.13 | c5jr | IRC takes a while often |
| 11:59.20 | Harzilein | Lunchbox: it starts the session on demand |
| 11:59.28 | azeem | torrgen: if you want specific help, be prepared for a long wait till an experienced person sees your question |
| 11:59.55 | Lunchbox | Oic, What would i be looking for if its at all possible? |
| 12:00.00 | Harzilein | Lunchbox: you just want to write a startup file for it to go into /etc/init.d, but make sure you know what you are doing first (by reading about how to write such files) |
| 12:00.10 | torrgen | there was a guy who answed me some but in a arrogant way, i dislike that, then he stopped answering |
| 12:00.12 | c5jr | how to log in to that session, though? |
| 12:00.21 | Harzilein | Lunchbox: you _might_ be able to just figure it out from reading one of the existing files in /etc/init.d |
| 12:00.29 | torrgen | ok, tnx ;} |
| 12:00.37 | cydork | Lunchbox: check /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 12:01.31 | fengor | torrgen: is another dpkg process running atm on your box? |
| 12:01.41 | Lunchbox | kk\ |
| 12:02.27 | sf7 | how to go to su in graphic mode in linux |
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| 12:02.44 | sf7 | how to go to su in graphic mode in linux |
| 12:02.50 | sf7 | how to go to su in graphic mode in linux |
| 12:02.53 | xand | shut up |
| 12:03.14 | bzed | !stfu sf7 |
| 12:03.14 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP sf7! |
| 12:03.14 | Lunchbox | ./agree |
| 12:03.14 | cydork | xand: it worked :P |
| 12:03.14 | sf7 | how to go to su in graphic mode in linux |
| 12:03.14 | liable | sf7: i told you, gksu |
| 12:03.15 | xand | shut up |
| 12:03.22 | cydork | no it didn't! |
| 12:03.28 | liable | sf7: stop repeating |
| 12:03.41 | cydork | !tell sf7 -about repeat |
| 12:03.42 | bubbles | sf7: can't you su in the X? hehe |
| 12:03.54 | bzed | hard not to su in X, eh? |
| 12:04.12 | liable | wtf is up with this channel tonight.. |
| 12:04.43 | c5jr | tonight? |
| 12:04.51 | c5jr | someone in a tz close to me |
| 12:04.52 | bubbles | tonight? |
| 12:04.53 | sf7 | how to go to su in graphic mode in linux |
| 12:04.55 | sf7 | how to go to su in graphic mode in linux |
| 12:05.03 | bubbles | hahaha |
| 12:05.03 | c5jr | !stfu sf7 |
| 12:05.03 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP sf7! |
| 12:05.18 | c00lfon | sf7, su - -c "exec env DISPLAY='$DISPLAY'" XAUTHORITY='${XAUTHORITY-$HOME/.Xauthority}' "'"$SHELL"'" -c '$*'" |
| 12:05.19 | bubbles | "use the force" |
| 12:05.30 | c00lfon | sf7, save it to xsu.sh and run. |
| 12:05.34 | sf7 | hey chill dp, im helping someone whos learning this stuff.. he hit the wrong key |
| 12:05.41 | sf7 | not intended spamming |
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| 12:05.45 | c5jr | d00d dpkg is an 807 |
| 12:05.49 | sf7 | soz |
| 12:05.49 | liable | never heard of time zones? |
| 12:05.55 | c5jr | thats like talking to a vending machine |
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| 12:06.09 | c5jr | i have.. there just arent too many english speaking computer people near mine |
| 12:08.11 | Lunchbox | oh btw guys |
| 12:08.24 | Lunchbox | Is there a section where i can disable all the crap i dont use? I.e> Apple talk |
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| 12:08.35 | Kitu`[aw] | hello |
| 12:08.36 | Lunchbox | i seem to remember something about making some files non executable |
| 12:08.41 | Lunchbox | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.43 | Lunchbox | could be wrong |
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| 12:10.21 | liable | you can get appletalk on linux? is that part of some ipod shit or something? |
| 12:10.22 | dimir | Lunchbox: You may want to check inetd/xinetd if you have any installed. |
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| 12:10.33 | Lunchbox | i have inetd |
| 12:10.53 | sussudio | %bear liable |
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| 12:11.08 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 12:11.13 | sussudio | %bear liable |
| 12:11.21 | dimir | afaik netatalk is in Linux for years. |
| 12:11.22 | liable | !beat sf7 |
| 12:11.24 | sussudio | ... |
| 12:11.26 | liable | !beat sussudio |
| 12:11.35 | sussudio | stupid fucking netsplits |
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| 12:11.54 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 12:11.56 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 12:11.58 | sussudio | %fist liable |
| 12:12.00 | dimir | hoi |
| 12:12.14 | liable | not nice.. |
| 12:12.42 | c5jr | http://www.petitiononline.com/TROUTS/petition.html |
| 12:12.48 | dimir | perlmonkey: didn't momma tought you to backup! |
| 12:12.49 | perlmonkey | I tried to add 2 new drives to my raid-5 array and now it's inactive and refuses to start |
| 12:12.57 | c5jr | boo |
| 12:13.00 | dustybin | ive installed bind9 on debian etch and i need to change my /etc/resolv.conf but everytime i reboot i loose the settings, does anyone know a way round this? |
| 12:13.01 | torrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.35 | dimir | dusty-sts: you probably use dhcp |
| 12:13.35 | perlmonkey | dimir: I didn't listen :-/ |
| 12:13.35 | c5jr | yah |
| 12:13.35 | dimir | ;( |
| 12:13.41 | dustybin | dimir: i do at the moment, how do i turn dhcp off? |
| 12:13.48 | c5jr | dont turn it off |
| 12:13.56 | dimir | dusty-sts: check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:13.59 | liable | perlmonkey: |
| 12:14.00 | dimir | dustybin too |
| 12:14.15 | perlmonkey | lo liable |
| 12:14.16 | torrrr | anyone knows how to debug it? |
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| 12:14.27 | dimir | torrgen: strace it |
| 12:14.28 | liable | perlmonkey: hola |
| 12:14.32 | dimir | torrrr too |
| 12:14.35 | dimir | damn nicks |
| 12:14.39 | dustybin | dimir: my resolv.conf says: # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! |
| 12:14.39 | dimir | :-P |
| 12:14.49 | liable | ohnos |
| 12:14.57 | dustybin | what is NetworkManager? |
| 12:15.01 | perlmonkey | mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sd[abc]5 /dev/sd[de] mdadm: superblock on /dev/sdd doesn't match others - assembly aborted |
| 12:15.02 | liable | so remove stupid network manager |
| 12:15.04 | dimir | ? NetworkManager |
| 12:15.05 | c5jr | dustybin, something ive done is just add a script in your init.d to overwrite your resolv.conf |
| 12:15.18 | c5jr | so network manager can suck it cause youll overwrite |
| 12:15.20 | torrrr | strace? |
| 12:15.22 | perlmonkey | mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sd[abc]5 mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 3 drives - not enough to start the array. |
| 12:15.26 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 12:15.31 | cydork | !wayttd perlmonkey |
| 12:15.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, perlmonkey? |
| 12:15.45 | perlmonkey | I'm trying to start my array |
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| 12:16.15 | liable | perlmonkey: so looks like sdd is needing fixing.. all same size drives or what? |
| 12:16.32 | cydork | perlmonkey: raid 5? |
| 12:16.57 | perlmonkey | liable: I think so yes, all 18.2GB |
| 12:17.04 | perlmonkey | cydork: ya |
| 12:17.12 | dimir | dustybin: dpkg -l 'network-manager*' | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | xargs aptitude purge |
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| 12:17.22 | dustybin | thanks :) |
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| 12:17.28 | perlmonkey | my raid is 31GB with the original 3 drives |
| 12:17.29 | dimir | :-P |
| 12:17.46 | dimir | dustybin: be warned, that will purge off the evil network-manager! |
| 12:17.56 | c5jr | hehe yeh |
| 12:17.57 | dustybin | i dont need it though do i? |
| 12:18.01 | c5jr | yes you may |
| 12:18.02 | dimir | No. |
| 12:18.03 | dimir | :-P |
| 12:18.06 | c5jr | hahaha |
| 12:18.13 | azeem | dustybin: you'll need to manually setup your network interfaces then |
| 12:18.19 | dimir | ye |
| 12:18.20 | dustybin | eek |
| 12:18.25 | dimir | that's what you wanna do, no? |
| 12:18.28 | dimir | :-P |
| 12:18.31 | perlmonkey | http://pastebin.ca/411908 |
| 12:18.34 | c5jr | srsly i just overwrite my resolv.conf every time with an init.d script, works fine |
| 12:18.42 | dimir | :-O |
| 12:18.42 | dustybin | no i just dont want it to write to resolv.conf id like everything else untouched |
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| 12:19.18 | fengor | then go with c5jr proposal |
| 12:19.25 | dimir | dustybin: you have a lot of options, including changing the network-manager source code not to touch resolv.conf (unless it's configuration allows it). |
| 12:19.32 | c5jr | my proposal is to make an init.d script, like S99 |
| 12:19.35 | dimir | :-P |
| 12:19.57 | c5jr | and just have it do echo "nameserver *.*.*.*" >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:20.08 | c5jr | whatever your *'s are |
| 12:20.11 | dimir | whatta? |
| 12:20.34 | dimir | Ah, right. |
| 12:20.34 | loply | c5jr: What is the crux of this bug? I've had it MANY times over the years and always just niggled my way around it.... Its quite a nuisance. |
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| 12:20.43 | c5jr | not a bug... |
| 12:20.52 | c5jr | its a FEATURE afaik |
| 12:21.14 | loply | I briefly Googled it once and was suggested to that it was a bug in the firmware on DLink routers, but I've since had it on other types too |
| 12:21.24 | c5jr | i consider allowing root ssh access in by default a bug.. but its a feature |
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| 12:21.56 | c5jr | what does the resolv.conf look like before you fix it? |
| 12:22.14 | loply | Surely if the DHCP server is set to supply it's clients with a particular default gateway/DNS server, and the clients ignore that, it's a bug on the client? Or am I misunderstanding your conversation? |
| 12:22.31 | perlmonkey | If I do mdadm -C i will destroy all data? |
| 12:22.31 | loply | Erm, I can't quite remember, but it should have read nameserver 192.168.0.1 but never did |
| 12:22.35 | c5jr | well, it should use the dhcp server |
| 12:22.42 | c5jr | thats a weird problem then |
| 12:22.51 | c5jr | ive never had that |
| 12:23.09 | loply | I've had it many times on all different types of domestic/small routers, only with Debian though |
| 12:23.10 | c5jr | ive just had my 192.168.0.1 not give me any dns, cause it wasnt getting any from my isp |
| 12:23.16 | c5jr | weird |
| 12:23.57 | loply | my memory is quite vague but IIRC I had to manually put in the real public IP's of the ISP's DNS servers into resolv.conf, instead of the routers IP |
| 12:24.01 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 12:24.08 | perlmonkey | If I do mdadm -C i will destroy all data? |
| 12:24.10 | loply | (the router is meant to forward the DNS requests) |
| 12:24.37 | simonrvn | perlmonkey: erm, what's it do? and we saw you the first time ;) |
| 12:24.40 | c5jr | yeah, that may be a router issue |
| 12:24.52 | perlmonkey | simonrvn: C = create the array |
| 12:25.01 | c5jr | with the router not relaying the info as needed |
| 12:25.05 | c5jr | idk |
| 12:25.19 | perlmonkey | simonrvn: I dont the differences between assemble, create and build confusing to say the least |
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| 12:25.35 | loply | c5jr: I recall something about it being an IPV6/IPV4 issue too, though again I can't really remember what was what |
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| 12:26.12 | simonrvn | perlmonkey: assemble you start it; create is obvious; build you make it (i think, been a while since i used it) |
| 12:26.15 | c5jr | yeah... resolv.conf should always get populated by something |
| 12:26.43 | c5jr | so if its not happening, and its reproducible regardless of the dhcp server, somethings up with the client |
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| 12:26.59 | dimir | dustybin: then again, are you sure you can't apply your changes to this network-manager? |
| 12:27.12 | perlmonkey | simonrvn: ok so you wouldnt wanna be doing create or build on an existing array with data eh |
| 12:27.29 | simonrvn | perlmonkey: no |
| 12:27.32 | c5jr | yah youd do a -G for Grow |
| 12:27.33 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 12:27.59 | c5jr | or --add, etc |
| 12:28.13 | simonrvn | oh no |
| 12:28.20 | c5jr | nah dude you got your man pages youre money |
| 12:28.23 | perlmonkey | my data is there still, i can feel it. but i cant get the raid to start after assembling |
| 12:28.29 | perlmonkey | it says not enough devices |
| 12:28.43 | c5jr | did you add the new disks to the array? |
| 12:28.44 | perlmonkey | which seems illogical to me, since it had 3 devices before and worked fine |
| 12:28.51 | simonrvn | you need all the devices that you made the raid with on the CL |
| 12:29.04 | perlmonkey | whats the CL |
| 12:29.08 | simonrvn | command line |
| 12:29.26 | simonrvn | listen to c5jr |
| 12:29.27 | perlmonkey | oh right like mdadm -A /dev/md0 device1 device2 etc |
| 12:29.36 | c5jr | yepyep |
| 12:29.50 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 12:29.51 | perlmonkey | c5jr: yes the new disks are added |
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| 12:30.04 | perlmonkey | at least I think they are |
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| 12:30.32 | simonrvn | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 12:30.34 | perlmonkey | http://pastebin.ca/411978 here you can see them listed |
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| 12:30.55 | perlmonkey | cat /proc/mdstat no longer shows any data as the raid is inactive and not running |
| 12:30.56 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 12:31.29 | perlmonkey | md0 : inactive sda5[0] sdc5[2] sdb5[1] |
| 12:31.46 | perlmonkey | strangely cat /proc/mdstat is not showing the 2 new drives |
| 12:32.29 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: shouldn't you add /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sde1 in stead of /dev/sdd and /dev/sde ? |
| 12:32.30 | lnx^ | hey |
| 12:32.30 | perlmonkey | md0 : inactive sda5[0] sdc[2 |
| 12:32.30 | lnx^ | i'm trying to create a raid5 with 4 sata hard disks using the latest etch rc2 installer |
| 12:32.31 | orzel | hello. i seem to have my locale fubared on my debian system. First of svnversion (send mail for each svn checkin) prints strange =3D3D=3D3D stuff. Then, when i'm upgrading debian, i have messages like : |
| 12:32.32 | orzel | http://rafb.net/p/CItWuR43.html |
| 12:32.49 | orzel | i worked until january i think. when i moved to etch. |
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| 12:32.52 | orzel | it worked. |
| 12:33.01 | lnx^ | however, i can't find how i could create the raid5 for more than one disk. how can i raid all 4 disks to one group? |
| 12:33.26 | lnx^ | i tried following the instructions here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 but they were written for rc1 and things seem to have changed |
| 12:36.05 | Sazpaimon | dammit |
| 12:36.11 | Sazpaimon | I need mono 1.2.3 |
| 12:36.16 | Sazpaimon | (On etch) |
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| 12:36.32 | Sazpaimon | is there any way I can get it? packages.debian.org shows it only in experimental |
| 12:36.46 | h3sp4wn | Sazpaimon: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:37.02 | h3sp4wn | Sazpaimon: s/sid/experimental |
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| 12:39.07 | Sazpaimon | alright |
| 12:39.09 | sf7 | i downloaded minicom-2.2.tar.gz |
| 12:39.13 | Sazpaimon | so I'm doing that |
| 12:39.17 | sf7 | how to install |
| 12:39.19 | Sazpaimon | and it want to install a lot of x11 stuff |
| 12:39.38 | Sazpaimon | i wasn't aware mono needed x11 |
| 12:39.59 | Sazpaimon | but ok |
| 12:40.03 | lnx^ | or does someone have the etch rc1 netinst cd daily build for 20070313? |
| 12:40.20 | ibroadfo | so is apt-listbugs still boned? |
| 12:40.41 | ibroadfo | the problem seems to be bugs.donarmstrong.com not working? |
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| 12:41.18 | simonrvn | yeh, still buggered |
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| 12:41.43 | sf7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:42.13 | petemc | sf7: why not use the debian package? |
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| 12:42.48 | sf7 | where can i get |
| 12:42.49 | perlmonkey2 | sheesh my bitchx session froze |
| 12:42.50 | fengor | tar xvf minicom-2.2.tar.gz; cd minicom-2.2; ./configure; make; make test; sudo make install; |
| 12:42.51 | Lunchbox | sf7: more than likely it will be "tar -xzvf minicom-2.2.tar.gz" "./configure" "make" "make install |
| 12:42.56 | petemc | sf7: apt-get install minicom |
| 12:43.00 | fengor | oh right z |
| 12:43.25 | perlmonkey2 | AlteKiet>: shouldn't you add /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sde1 in stead of /dev/sdd and /dev/sde ? <-- I did wonder about that, but someone told me it was ok and didnt matter |
| 12:43.56 | ibroadfo | simonrvn: ok, cheers |
| 12:44.21 | simonrvn | i'm running an update, so yeh, i found out |
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| 12:46.03 | praecox | hello guys |
| 12:46.08 | praecox | I've got one question |
| 12:46.11 | Dragan | hello.. How i can install php5-dev package |
| 12:46.13 | perlmonkey2 | no raid for me :( |
| 12:46.20 | azeem | Dragan: what did you try? |
| 12:46.21 | fengor | apt-get install php5-dev |
| 12:46.22 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey2: Ok, but it seems that the superblock on /dev/sdd and sde are screwed somehow. When examining sdd it reports to be sde. And the superblock of sde reports only four drives in de array |
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| 12:46.30 | fengor | apt-cache search php5 |
| 12:46.33 | simonrvn | perlmonkey2: not starting up? |
| 12:46.34 | praecox | I just compilied PostgreSQL 8.2.3 on my Debian Etch AMD64 |
| 12:46.46 | praecox | and want to install dovecot-pop3d using apt-get. |
| 12:46.52 | perlmonkey2 | AlteKiet: phew, you're good |
| 12:47.04 | praecox | but it depends on libpg4 from psql 8.1 package. |
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| 12:47.14 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey2: So my guess would be to add /dev/sdd and /dev/sde to your array again. |
| 12:47.24 | perlmonkey2 | AlteKiet: can that be receitified did you think? |
| 12:47.24 | bzed | praecox: that one would have beenin experimental |
| 12:47.32 | cutmasta | hy |
| 12:47.32 | perlmonkey2 | Alterkiet: ok |
| 12:47.36 | bzed | praecox: just install the packages from there |
| 12:47.36 | praecox | how can I avoid installing libpq4 as I already have got libpq4 linked from postgresql compilation. |
| 12:47.55 | praecox | bzed, what you mean? |
| 12:47.58 | azeem | praecox: you sure it's libpq4 and not libpq5? |
| 12:48.06 | praecox | azeem, it is libpq5. |
| 12:48.09 | perlmonkey2 | Alterkiet: mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd /dev/sde ? |
| 12:48.13 | praecox | azeem, that's right. |
| 12:48.14 | bzed | !tell praecox about experimental |
| 12:48.17 | azeem | praecox: so you don't have libpq4 |
| 12:48.27 | azeem | praecox: why do you need 8.2? |
| 12:48.42 | bzed | praecox: pg8.2 is in experimental, if you REALLT need it |
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| 12:49.32 | cutmasta | does somebody know if apt can connect via https to a repo or https with client cert |
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| 12:49.51 | lnx^_ | so, any help on the raid5 issue? |
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| 12:50.10 | simonrvn | i'd help if i knew anything about raid5 |
| 12:50.12 | perlmonkey | lnx^_: you have a raid-5 issue as well? I do too |
| 12:50.23 | simonrvn | i can only point you at the raid howto =) |
| 12:50.40 | perlmonkey | lnx^_: whats your issue |
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| 12:51.33 | perlmonkey | Alterkiet: If I try: mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd I get "mdadm: Cannot get array info for /dev/md0" |
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| 12:51.48 | perlmonkey | you cant add devices to an array that's not active eh |
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| 12:52.33 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 12:52.55 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: I'm no raid expert, I'm afraid, but just thinking along with you :s. Reading into the mdadm man-pages right now |
| 12:53.10 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 12:53.34 | perlmonkey | my experience of soft raid tells me its ok as long as you dont mess with it and try and expand it, unless you know what you're doing. |
| 12:53.36 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: I've got a hardware raid-1 running just fine, that's all i know |
| 12:53.38 | praecox | azeem, we need this for our programistic environment. |
| 12:53.39 | liable | cutmasta: why would you want to? |
| 12:53.45 | lnx^_ | yeah. i can't find how i could create raid5 for more than one disk. how can i raid all 4 disks to one group? i found instructions written for the rc1 installer but things seem to have changed |
| 12:53.49 | praecox | azeem, it is required on our developer server. |
| 12:53.51 | perlmonkey | I wish I had setup a hard array now |
| 12:53.51 | azeem | praecox: so is this a production server? |
| 12:54.01 | azeem | or to be put into production? |
| 12:54.03 | praecox | azeem, yes. I can say so. |
| 12:54.06 | lnx^_ | and now i can't find the daily build from 20070313 to try with it instead |
| 12:54.09 | cutmasta | liable: i need to protect my custom repo that only registered users can download my deb packages |
| 12:54.14 | perlmonkey | lnx^: soft array? |
| 12:54.18 | azeem | praecox: then you'll have to hand-compile all the other stuff as well I guess |
| 12:54.20 | praecox | azeem, that's why we need compiled version. |
| 12:54.39 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: the size of your array was 32G? |
| 12:54.42 | perlmonkey | array-5 needs at least 2 disks |
| 12:54.48 | lnx^_ | perlmonkey: yeah |
| 12:54.48 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: yeah |
| 12:54.56 | praecox | azeem, you think so? |
| 12:54.57 | cutmasta | liable: i just read about apt combining with ssh to transfer files, but i think this will resutl in a high lioad of my repo server |
| 12:55.05 | lnx^_ | perlmonkey: check out this guide, it might help: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 |
| 12:55.13 | praecox | azeem, so can't I simply apt-get dovecot-pop3d and don't care about installed libpq4? |
| 12:55.15 | perlmonkey | lnx^_ you cant have a soft array-5 with one disc |
| 12:55.24 | praecox | azeem, or to put this libpq4 on hold somehow? |
| 12:55.26 | azeem | praecox: no, because it links to libpg4 while you have libpg5 |
| 12:55.28 | lnx^_ | perlmonkey: thanks right, i have 4 disks |
| 12:55.32 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:55.33 | azeem | pq* |
| 12:55.35 | lnx^_ | that's right even* |
| 12:55.41 | lnx^_ | geez |
| 12:56.16 | praecox | azeem, right. but I won't even use PostgreSQL backend for Dovecot. |
| 12:56.22 | lnx^_ | so does anyone happen to have old daily builds of debian-installer? more specifically something around 20070313 |
| 12:56.23 | liable | cutmasta: this is closed source software? |
| 12:56.33 | cutmasta | liable: yes |
| 12:56.33 | azeem | praecox: you didn't provide this information until now. |
| 12:56.52 | azeem | praecox: in this case, look into the `equivs' package |
| 12:56.52 | azeem | !equivs |
| 12:56.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 12:57.15 | praecox | azeem, oh, I see. |
| 12:57.21 | praecox | azeem, that's a good one though. |
| 12:59.08 | perlmonkey | mdadm does my head in |
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| 12:59.59 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: I would gladly remove those 2 new drives and go back to 3 disk array if I knew how :-/ |
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| 13:01.02 | rpetre | liable: sorry, i was away |
| 13:01.09 | sf7 | HI Install succeeded.to run, i typed minicom.but nothing is there in minicom console supposed to be there |
| 13:01.11 | rpetre | i didn't, it's the default |
| 13:01.13 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: what does $ mdadm --assemble --scan |
| 13:01.55 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: while I do that, more info may be helpful: http://pastebin.ca/412011 |
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| 13:02.17 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 3 drives - not enough to start the array. |
| 13:02.19 | praecox | azeem, do you think I can simply ignore libpq4 package installed on this machine? |
| 13:02.25 | rvsjoen | for some reason "apt-get update" hangs when updating the package list, my sources.list looks like this: http://pastebin.ca/412013 |
| 13:02.38 | azeem | praecox: anyway, why can't you install libpq4? |
| 13:02.40 | rvsjoen | I also tried with aptitude with the same result |
| 13:02.43 | azeem | it should be installable in parallel |
| 13:02.47 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: I dont understand why it keeps saying 3 drives are not enough to start array. It ran fine previously with 3 drives! |
| 13:03.49 | lnx^_ | so did anything change in the text interface between etch rc1 and rc2 debian-installers? |
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| 13:04.06 | lnx^_ | anything related to raid? |
| 13:05.01 | praecox | azeem, I don't want to have any dependency problems in the future. |
| 13:05.46 | praecox | azeem, in example when I install any new package, it might depend on libpq4 installed on the server instead of libpq5 from PostgreSQL compilation. |
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| 13:06.24 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: and what happens if you delete the 'nr-spare-disks 2' in /etc/raidtab? |
| 13:06.43 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: and what happens if you try $ madm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sd[abc]5 |
| 13:06.45 | perlmonkey | I will try |
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| 13:07.08 | perlmonkey | mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 3 drives - not enough to start the array |
| 13:07.22 | rvsjoen | how can I purge the packag cache ? |
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| 13:07.37 | rvsjoen | the cache files themselves, not the downloaded packages |
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| 13:08.24 | victor- | i'm having a problem with dpkg refusing to uninstall a package... it gets stuck on "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 3" .. is there some way to manually delete this package (ejabberd)? |
| 13:08.39 | victor- | or edit the pre-removal script to quit tryign to start ejabberd during removal? |
| 13:08.52 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: do I need to do anything else after editing raidtab? |
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| 13:09.06 | azeem | praecox: what would be the problem? |
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| 13:09.32 | psykidellic | hi, I just installed Sarge yesterday and upgraded to Etch. Since I want to install xfce4, I installed x-desktop-system and xfce4 using apt-get. everything went fine. now when I start startxfce4, it gave the same error like http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=27629. Like the guy I did modprove mousedev and did startxfce4, the X server started and even xfce4 bt now my mouse pointer is not moving...i mean the mouse |
| 13:09.33 | psykidellic | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.33 | liable | rpetre: hrm, looking at netest here and running listbugs doesnt seem to have it pointing to that url, where did you get that from? |
| 13:09.35 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: try to re-assemble again $ mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sd[abc]5 |
| 13:09.41 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:09.57 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: not sure if mdadm uses /etc/raidtab at all... |
| 13:09.59 | perlmonkey | same damn error: dadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 3 drives - not enough to start the array. :-( |
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| 13:10.04 | perlmonkey | this raid does not want to start eh |
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| 13:10.18 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: Then you maybe have to re-create, but I really don't know if you loose your data! |
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| 13:10.24 | HostilePenguin | how many drives are there? |
| 13:10.27 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: so maybe use it as a last resort |
| 13:10.36 | perlmonkey | sheesh, i will lose 3 years of work :( |
| 13:10.44 | simonrvn | if you don't change the size, it should, be it's DAMNED risky |
| 13:10.53 | rvsjoen | anyone know where I can get the marillat public key ? |
| 13:10.53 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:10.54 | simonrvn | yes, last resort |
| 13:11.04 | simonrvn | s,be,but, |
| 13:11.18 | liable | rvsjoen: debian-multimedia.org |
| 13:11.27 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: the size of the array is 64G as reported in the three superblocks. That should be 32G |
| 13:11.34 | perlmonkey | in the raid must all the partitions/devices be exactly the same size? |
| 13:11.34 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: don't know how to fix that |
| 13:11.35 | rvsjoen | thanks liable |
| 13:11.46 | perlmonkey | bugger |
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| 13:12.13 | praecox | azeem, not really sure. I believe having two different libpq installed on the machine might cause problems. |
| 13:12.19 | perlmonkey | its really messed up then :-/ |
| 13:12.23 | praecox | azeem, but if not - thank you anyway for your help. |
| 13:12.47 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: try $ mdadm --assemble --run /dev/md0 /dev/sd[abc]5 |
| 13:13.01 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: try to run your array although you've got to few drives |
| 13:13.09 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: (it expects five) |
| 13:13.12 | psykidellic | any ideas about the problem? |
| 13:13.19 | sf7 | how can i get out of minicom and switch back to root user |
| 13:13.24 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:13.28 | simonrvn | ctrl-d |
| 13:13.30 | simonrvn | ? |
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| 13:13.42 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: mdadm: failed to RUN_ARRAY /dev/md0: Invalid argument |
| 13:13.46 | simonrvn | it has a help |
| 13:13.48 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 13:13.48 | sf7 | not worked |
| 13:14.06 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: can't we make it think it has 3 again by removing those 2? |
| 13:14.12 | sf7 | it is just logout |
| 13:14.28 | simonrvn | the spares you could remove for now |
| 13:14.36 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: excuse me, should be: $ mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --run /dev/sd[abc]5 |
| 13:14.51 | simonrvn | try that ^^ first |
| 13:15.00 | sf7 | how to quit from minicom and get back to user |
| 13:15.01 | perlmonkey | oo look: mdadm: device /dev/md0 already active - cannot assemble it |
| 13:15.13 | perlmonkey | I should -S stop it? |
| 13:15.23 | simonrvn | cat your mdstat |
| 13:15.27 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:15.48 | simonrvn | meow |
| 13:15.48 | perlmonkey | inactive sda5[0] sdc5[2] sdb5[1] 48989760 blocks (no unused devices) |
| 13:15.51 | sf7 | kkk |
| 13:15.55 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: just learning mdadm from the man pages |
| 13:15.56 | AlteKiet | :s |
| 13:15.56 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: just tell me if you start losing faith in my "expert" opinion |
| 13:15.56 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: then try to mount /dev/md0 |
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| 13:16.08 | perlmonkey | aww |
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| 13:16.20 | perlmonkey | AlkeKiet: i'm glad of the help! |
| 13:16.34 | sf7 | how to quit from minicom and get back to user |
| 13:16.35 | perlmonkey | AlkeKiet: I've been trying since yesterday evening |
| 13:16.38 | [corn] | you tell me ;) |
| 13:17.16 | perlmonkey | mount: you must specify the filesystem type <-- strange it never normally asks for that, which suggests raid is not active? |
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| 13:17.58 | HostilePenguin | are you using raid card? |
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| 13:18.16 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: since you altered /etc/raidtab, maybe --stop the array and restart it |
| 13:19.27 | perlmonkey | HostilePenguin: soft raid |
| 13:19.40 | simonrvn | sf7: try reading the man page |
| 13:20.12 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: try $ mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --update=summaries /dev/sd[abc]5 |
| 13:20.37 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: I tried mdadm -S and it stopped, then I did mdadm -R and it said: mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md0: Invalid argument |
| 13:20.41 | HostilePenguin | raid +1? |
| 13:20.45 | perlmonkey | lowercase -r seemed to work |
| 13:21.13 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 3 drives - not enough to start the array. |
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| 13:21.22 | simonrvn | closer |
| 13:21.27 | perlmonkey | HostilePenguin: raid-5 |
| 13:21.30 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: -r == remove |
| 13:21.35 | perlmonkey | oops |
| 13:21.47 | simonrvn | i'd remove the spares, then try start |
| 13:21.55 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: try $ mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --update=summaries --run /dev/sd[abc]5 |
| 13:21.56 | perlmonkey | yeah that seems a good idea |
| 13:22.14 | perlmonkey | mdadm: failed to RUN_ARRAY /dev/md0: Invalid argument |
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| 13:22.18 | simonrvn | then once everything is going, add them in again |
| 13:22.28 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 13:22.37 | perlmonkey | maybe the 2 drives are the cause of the headaches eh |
| 13:22.41 | simonrvn | yes, i'm confident you'll get it eventually |
| 13:22.43 | perlmonkey | perhaps we need to restore it back to 3 |
| 13:23.06 | perlmonkey | but how do you remove the 2 drives while the array is inactive eh |
| 13:23.19 | perlmonkey | i guess just physically remove, and reboot? |
| 13:23.21 | simonrvn | good question =) |
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| 13:23.50 | perlmonkey | but then the raid will think they failed and still say missing 2 drives eh |
| 13:23.53 | liable | fail the supposedly added drives |
| 13:24.03 | simonrvn | erm, i wouldn't reboot |
| 13:24.06 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:24.13 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: mdadm does not use /etc/raidtab, (from the manpages) |
| 13:24.16 | simonrvn | yeh, do what liable said |
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| 13:24.21 | perlmonkey | ok thats good to know |
| 13:24.36 | retro_neo | I have a php sockets script, how can I use it as a daemon? |
| 13:24.36 | perlmonkey | raidtab is out of the equation then |
| 13:24.39 | simonrvn | uses a conf in /etc/mdadm or something |
| 13:24.53 | perlmonkey | oh yes mdadm.conf |
| 13:25.08 | perlmonkey | I edited that and maybe that caused the prob, dunno :-/ |
| 13:25.24 | perlmonkey | I dont think you are supposed to even touch that, its only for first time creation |
| 13:25.29 | s | retro_neo: brr.. php daemon.. but try to execute it and turn it into the background |
| 13:25.33 | simonrvn | mdadm is smart enough to not need that, IME anyway. but that was like a year ago easy |
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| 13:25.45 | HostilePenguin | you guys are all nuts |
| 13:26.00 | simonrvn | HostilePenguin: tell us something we *don't* know |
| 13:26.02 | perlmonkey | raid updates itself eh, it knows what devices it has or hasnt |
| 13:26.52 | retro_neo | s: using this technique? http://php.benscom.com/manual/fr/ref.exec.php#49299 |
| 13:26.53 | perlmonkey | so how do we fail those extra drives in a non-active array |
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| 13:27.05 | mike1o | when is the next stable release coming out? |
| 13:27.11 | simonrvn | WIR |
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| 13:27.31 | perlmonkey | mdadm -r /dev/md0 /dev/sdd == mdadm: hot remove failed for /dev/sdd: No such device |
| 13:27.35 | perlmonkey | interesting |
| 13:28.03 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: mdadm -r /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1 |
| 13:28.06 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: mdadm -r /dev/md0 /dev/sde1 |
| 13:28.09 | perlmonkey | same :-/ |
| 13:28.22 | simonrvn | just curious, are these real scsi or sata drives? |
| 13:28.33 | HostilePenguin | i want to see your fdisk -l |
| 13:28.34 | perlmonkey | I'm beginning to wonder if like you said earlier, adding those devices as sdd and sde may be the cause of probs eh |
| 13:28.39 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:28.50 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: did you try the --update=summaries switch? |
| 13:28.53 | perlmonkey | these are real scsi drives |
| 13:29.00 | simonrvn | cool |
| 13:29.06 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet I did ya |
| 13:29.55 | dan2 | scsi blah |
| 13:30.00 | dan2 | sata is where it's at |
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| 13:30.02 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: and maybe the --update=resync switch might help... |
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| 13:30.31 | perlmonkey | here is fdisk -l output: http://pastebin.ca/412043 |
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| 13:30.38 | perlmonkey | ok I will try |
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| 13:31.36 | perlmonkey | no luck for --update-resync |
| 13:31.54 | perlmonkey | scsi is superior to sata, for now at least |
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| 13:32.15 | simonrvn | sata still has the limitations of ide |
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| 13:32.34 | perlmonkey | sata will catch up with scsi? |
| 13:32.48 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: has to be an equal-sign: --update=resync |
| 13:33.00 | simonrvn | probably... hopefully the 2 techs will learn from each other and get better because of it |
| 13:33.09 | perlmonkey | mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --update=resync --run /dev/sd[abc]5 == mdadm: failed to RUN_ARRAY /dev/md0: Invalid argument |
| 13:33.17 | nivanson | Anyone here using NetworkManager with GNOME? I have to be root to start the applet and then it just stops working after connecting to a network (I do stay connected though). Anybody know how to fix this? (Using Etch) |
| 13:33.29 | abrotman | dan2: you're crazy .. but i think that's general knowledge :) |
| 13:33.38 | dan2 | heh |
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| 13:34.07 | dan2 | abrotman: craziness allows me to solve a problem anyway I deem necessary |
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| 13:35.34 | perlmonkey | ok, so the raid appears to not think it has sdd(1) or sde(1) |
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| 13:35.43 | perlmonkey | thats clear, because we can't remove or fail them |
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| 13:36.08 | perlmonkey | and that corresponds to cat on mdstat, which shows on 3 devices |
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| 13:36.32 | perlmonkey | so why the heck does starting the array say, no can do with only 3 devices |
| 13:36.40 | perlmonkey | becuz the superblock is screwed eh |
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| 13:36.58 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: does it still say that? after all you tried? |
| 13:37.03 | perlmonkey | ya :( |
| 13:37.39 | designdream | i added a new drive /mnt/drive2 and want to ln -s /webroot/uploads to that drive.. Is there a way to transition into this without downtime? |
| 13:38.01 | HostilePenguin | that is one bad ass fdisk -l |
| 13:38.14 | designdream | right now i am rsyncing the folders... and then wanted to rm -fr uploads and then ln-s |
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| 13:38.28 | designdream | but if someone is uploading at the time of doing it.. there will be problems |
| 13:38.50 | ShredZ | is the water effect broken in de beryl debian package ? (0.2.0) |
| 13:39.01 | liable | perlmonkey: where your two new drives marked as raid? or linux? |
| 13:39.03 | liable | fd |
| 13:39.07 | perlmonkey | HostilePengiun: why heh |
| 13:39.32 | perlmonkey | liable: i set those 2 drives as fd in fdisk before I added them |
| 13:39.36 | cydork | ShredZ: debian has beryl?? since when? |
| 13:39.55 | ShredZ | cydork, beryl-project has made a repository |
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| 13:39.55 | perlmonkey | I have an idea |
| 13:40.19 | perlmonkey | perhaps if I edit mdadm.conf and add the two drives with the partition (1) for each, and then try and start raid? |
| 13:40.32 | cydork | ShredZ: then it's not debian problem, ask them i guess :P |
| 13:40.35 | ShredZ | cydork, I put nvidia 96.xx drivers on my etch and used that repository and it plays real nice on my geforce3 |
| 13:40.42 | ShredZ | cydork, oki then |
| 13:40.44 | HostilePenguin | what is md0 md1 md2 mean? |
| 13:40.47 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: http://www.lugod.org/pipermail/vox-tech/2005-April/011054.html |
| 13:41.19 | ShredZ | Anyone know if etch runs without issues on an intel mac ? |
| 13:41.20 | perlmonkey | HostilePenguin: that's are raid devices |
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| 13:41.39 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: thanks reading |
| 13:41.46 | HostilePenguin | is md stand for mirrored device? |
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| 13:42.15 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: so maybe it is "--update summaries" in stead of "--update=symmaries" |
| 13:42.41 | AlteKiet | s/symmaries/summaries/ |
| 13:42.44 | perlmonkey | oh yes |
| 13:43.29 | perlmonkey | I will be an expert on raid by end of this :P |
| 13:44.44 | perlmonkey | mdadm --assemble --update summaries /dev/md0 /dev/sda5 /dev/sdb5 /dev/sdc5 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 == superblock on /dev/sdd1 doesn't match others - assembly aborted |
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| 13:44.46 | perlmonkey | hmm |
| 13:45.02 | perlmonkey | nearly |
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| 13:45.24 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: interesting... maybe try without /dev/sd[de]1 |
| 13:45.28 | andreiutz | hello! I have a dualboot system on my laptop: debian testing and windows xp. When I boot debian and load the OS my pc cooler runs faster even if the system monitor shows 2% - 5% CPU activity. Why ? In xp the cooler is quiet at 40% 50% activity . |
| 13:46.06 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:46.26 | perlmonkey | not enough devices to start array |
| 13:46.32 | perlmonkey | tsk |
| 13:46.48 | perlmonkey | http://www.issociate.de/board/post/275874/Recovering_a_4-disk_RAID5_array_from_2_clean_disks_and_2_spares.html <-- this could be the solution? but seems drastic |
| 13:46.55 | HostilePenguin | the /dev/sda5 and /dev/sdb5 dont have the same end why is that? |
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| 13:47.07 | loply | andreiutz: XP will have the ability to slow the fan down whereas Debian wont. I think it's called System Management Bus or something, there may be a way of doing it in Debian but I dont know off the top of my head |
| 13:47.44 | andreiutz | loply, thank you |
| 13:47.51 | bzed | andreiutz: are you using etch? |
| 13:48.00 | andreiutz | bzed, yes |
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| 13:48.17 | HostilePenguin | some bios also have smart fan control |
| 13:48.21 | bzed | andreiutz: you could use and configure powersaved |
| 13:48.36 | bzed | andreiutz: and kpowersave if your're on kde |
| 13:48.41 | bzed | instead of that klaptopdaemon |
| 13:48.52 | andreiutz | bzed, i have gnome |
| 13:48.59 | andreiutz | what should i choose ? |
| 13:49.04 | bzed | no clue :P |
| 13:49.05 | andreiutz | powersaved ? |
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| 13:49.14 | bzed | that's jsut a daemon |
| 13:49.21 | bzed | kpowersave can configure it |
| 13:49.32 | andreiutz | bzed, thank you |
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| 13:49.56 | bzed | gnome-power-manager |
| 13:50.04 | bzed | i think that's the gnome thing |
| 13:50.18 | perlmonkey | we are out of options guys :( |
| 13:50.28 | bzed | you could use the conservative governer andreiutz |
| 13:50.43 | bzed | when configuring it |
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| 13:51.03 | sputnick | hi there |
| 13:52.06 | rmrfchik | where? |
| 13:53.44 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: mdadm --update summaries /dev/md0 /dev/sda5 /dev/sdb5 /dev/sdc5 |
| 13:53.48 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: what does it do? |
| 13:55.27 | perlmonkey | mdadm: --update does not set the mode, and so cannot be the first option. |
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| 13:55.29 | perlmonkey | and with -A, for assemble mode: mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 3 drives - not enough to start the array. |
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| 13:55.47 | AlteKiet | ok |
| 13:56.20 | perlmonkey | I just set the superblock to zero on the two new drives, may have made things worse? but I thought it might solve the "superblock does not match" error |
| 13:56.25 | Eulex | heh |
| 13:56.34 | perlmonkey | it still wont add those, now it just says "no superblock on sdd and sde |
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| 13:58.19 | loply | perlmonkey: You dont half make this RAID business sound like a nightmare, all morning when I open IRC it's full of error messages relating to it! |
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| 13:59.02 | perlmonkey | loply: :-/ |
| 13:59.30 | loply | perlmonkey: Shame RAID isnt software/OS transparrent eh? |
| 13:59.39 | loply | like configured by jumpers or somesuch |
| 13:59.46 | Thms | h!paste |
| 13:59.48 | Thms | !paste |
| 13:59.48 | Bob_le_Pointu | Hello Debian. |
| 13:59.49 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 13:59.50 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: maybe you should forget about those two drives at all for now and just make the first three drives working again... |
| 13:59.51 | perlmonkey | its ok as long as you dont mess with it, ive had my soft raid-5 running for like 3-4 years without a single problem and its been very resilent to power outages and even drive failure |
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| 14:00.05 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: agreed |
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| 14:00.39 | loply | perlmonkey: My general oppinion is that it sounds good but I wouldnt like to have to try and reintegrate a new drive after an old one fails |
| 14:00.41 | perlmonkey | but that "cannot start with 3 devices, not enough" is really bugging me, it contradicts what the raid is showing |
| 14:00.45 | HostilePenguin | i know its not sili image then |
| 14:00.51 | perlmonkey | my guess is somehow the superblocks are screwed |
| 14:01.21 | Bob_le_Pointu | I have a little problem with libapache2-mod-php5. It's seems I only can use this lib with apache 2.2. How can I use an older version compatible with apache 2.0 ? (my apache conf files wouldn't work with 2.2) |
| 14:01.31 | perlmonkey | loply: that's not a problem in my experience, thats where raid shines, it handles failed drives effortedless, you just plug a new drive and it assembles automatically |
| 14:01.49 | perlmonkey | its when you try and expand (grow) the array you can have probs if you dont know what you're doing |
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| 14:03.08 | perlmonkey | always trust your instict eh, my instinct was telling me expanding the array was a bad idea |
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| 14:03.28 | loply | perlmonkey: So if you had a pair of mirrored drives and one dies, you put in a brand new one, how does the new one get populated with an identical copy of the original's data? |
| 14:03.29 | abrotman | Bob_le_Pointu: you'd have to downgrade the module too .. and then you wouldn't get security support .. and you shouldn't be running a server on etch(yet)/sid |
| 14:03.37 | abrotman | Bob_le_Pointu: i'd work on fixing your conf files |
| 14:03.43 | loply | perlmonkey: I assumed some user-level tool would facilitate that |
| 14:03.45 | perlmonkey | it would of been far easier and less risky to just put those two drives in and create a second array |
| 14:03.51 | elenril | how do i tell the system that i want to use local time and not utc? |
| 14:04.14 | Bob_le_Pointu | abrotman: I was on Sarge, and after a apt-get upgrade, it switches to etch. |
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| 14:04.50 | perlmonkey | loply: well it depends on what level of raid you have, raid-5 can tolerate a failure down to 2 disks and recover in some instances |
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| 14:06.57 | perlmonkey | usually if one disk fails raid will recover the lost data within an hour if you have a spare disk on standby, or you can plug one in and add it as replacement |
| 14:07.21 | Bob_le_Pointu | abrotman: Is it possible to downgrade form Etch to Sarge ? |
| 14:07.31 | deconvolution | hello, I have two printers connected to my servers managed by cupsys. Normally they would automatically displayed in a client side. But recently they dispear. How can I call them back? |
| 14:07.47 | HostilePenguin | usually my raid utility see a problem with my mirrored sets and i just do a rebuild |
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| 14:08.11 | perlmonkey | HostiePenguin: what level raid you got |
| 14:08.21 | HostilePenguin | just raid 1 |
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| 14:08.54 | perlmonkey | I am tempted to try a create now on my raid to rewrite the superblocks |
| 14:09.14 | perlmonkey | but i wont do it until i know all our avenues are fully explored first |
| 14:09.35 | perlmonkey | I posted to linux-raid mailing list |
| 14:09.55 | loply | perlmonkey: did you mean to imply earlier that at the driver/raid level, below user level, the new drive would be populated or mirrored transparently upon installation? |
| 14:09.56 | abrotman | Bob_le_Pointu: it doesn't just "switch to etch" .. you did something |
| 14:10.08 | abrotman | Bob_le_Pointu: and no .. downgrade not possible |
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| 14:10.32 | HostilePenguin | hope i dont get potato |
| 14:10.53 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 14:11.41 | perlmonkey | loply: no |
| 14:12.04 | perlmonkey | AlteKiet: thanks for your help I will keep you posted |
| 14:12.37 | Bob_le_Pointu | abrotman: I was using a custom mirrors & distro from my host provider, that must be that. But now, I just need to know how to make my conf files working with apache 2.2 (and be ready to be hacked soon) |
| 14:12.58 | abrotman | Bob_le_Pointu: do you have an error from the apache logs ? |
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| 14:13.19 | perlmonkey | well if this fail and i do lose all my work/data, on the plus side, I have a raid controller card i can install, and i will do things properly this time (and make backups) |
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| 14:13.56 | HostilePenguin | i was just thinking of backups |
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| 14:14.14 | perlmonkey | hehe i made a few backups a few days ago but only of some stuff, like databases etc |
| 14:14.21 | perlmonkey | I left a lot of vital work :-/ |
| 14:14.33 | Bob_le_Pointu | abrotman: I have a lot of errors at apache starting : Order, Deny are shown as invalid commands. |
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| 14:14.50 | Bob_le_Pointu | perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 14:14.55 | urz | the batteries in my mouse died. I want to use the keyboard to control the cursor until they recharge. But that numlock trick doesnt seem to ever work for me in ubuntu (i know it from debian) |
| 14:15.03 | urz | how do i enable this? |
| 14:15.04 | abrotman | Bob_le_Pointu: you might want to ask #apache .. but yes .. you should make it work with 2.2 |
| 14:15.14 | abrotman | urz: ask #ubuntu |
| 14:15.16 | perlmonkey | how do you backup tho 27GB of data when a shortage of disk space is why you're using a soft raid in first place eh |
| 14:15.18 | Bob_le_Pointu | Yes, of course. Thanks and sorry. |
| 14:15.31 | HostilePenguin | why cant you just wipe one disk and then let the other rebuild it? |
| 14:15.37 | urz | abrotman: ubuntu is telling me gui crap and i'm not using their desktop. It's a feature of xorg, isnt it? |
| 14:15.39 | perlmonkey | I need to bite the bullet and spend some moula on a large drive for backup |
| 14:16.03 | abrotman | urz: ubuntu provided your xorg and may have disabled it .. we have no idea what they do to their stuff |
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| 14:16.26 | abrotman | Bob_le_Pointu: nothing to apologize for .. but since you've already got one foot in .. might as well go all the way :) |
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| 14:23.30 | tomdick | is there a recommended way to install the latest version of xorg from freedesktop.org in debian? |
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| 14:23.56 | perlmonkey | how to proceed: y or no? my very future depends on the answer! http://pastebin.ca/412099 |
| 14:24.16 | perlmonkey | i like to gamble, but dunno :P |
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| 14:25.12 | peaker | Hey. When apt fails to download - it tries to run the install/upgrade anyhow. Is this true of latest apt too? |
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| 14:25.33 | peaker | cause it just messed up my system :( Maybe its just adept doing that tho |
| 14:25.50 | peaker | the network died, it tried to install all it already downloaded ignoring all missing files :( |
| 14:26.09 | loply | peaker: It wouldnt try and install a package it couldnt download, nor any of its dependencies |
| 14:26.19 | loply | though it might try and install other unrelated packages (ie that dont depend on the failed one) |
| 14:26.31 | abrotman | tomdick: i think they have an svn repo or git or something of that nature |
| 14:26.36 | c5jr | i think you want --assemble, perlmonkey |
| 14:26.41 | peaker | oh, in a large dist-upgrade tho, it may mess stuff up because not all dependencies are formally describe4d? |
| 14:26.54 | loply | ah, perhaps |
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| 14:26.55 | Daveman | Hi abrotman :) |
| 14:27.04 | c5jr | -C is for new arrays, right? |
| 14:27.04 | loply | i thought you meant in a run of the mill install or upgrade |
| 14:27.19 | Daveman | GoAuLd: kri kek mel! |
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| 14:27.34 | loply | peaker: Perhaps wise to use --download-only if you suspect problems will arise |
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| 14:28.00 | peaker | loply: ya, I used adept (graphical one) and appearantly that's dangerous :( |
| 14:29.09 | perlmonkey | c5jr: I think so, but from the documentation I think it can read existing superblocks, not sure tho |
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| 14:29.42 | perlmonkey | c5jr: assemble won't do it :-/ |
| 14:29.46 | c5jr | boo |
| 14:30.05 | perlmonkey | it assembles, but refuses to start says not enough devices to start |
| 14:30.30 | c5jr | wack |
| 14:30.31 | XrMb2 | if i'm starting a terminal, using xfce4-terminal --geometry=118x31 --hide-menubar --hide-borders --hide-toolbars ..how can i define the postition of the window within that command? |
| 14:30.32 | tomdick | abrotman: what this is really about is me trying to get my video working properly (new intel board). i'm using their git-repo, run ./autogen.sh which errors during configure: http://pastebin.ca/412105 |
| 14:30.36 | c5jr | which mdadm? |
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| 14:32.12 | nivanson | XrMb2: Check out devilspie: http://live.gnome.org/DevilsPie |
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| 14:32.41 | perlmonkey | I need to c5kr: yes |
| 14:33.04 | tomdick | abrotman: rather than installing via source, i think i'll just see about experimental's repo. at least then it's easy to get back. thanks |
| 14:33.07 | abrotman | tomdick: which card ? |
| 14:33.08 | perlmonkey | c5jr: I'm using mdadm |
| 14:33.14 | XrMb2 | ah, using + and + :> |
| 14:33.16 | XrMb2 | thanks |
| 14:33.17 | abrotman | tomdick: and what doesn't work ? |
| 14:33.22 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 14:33.50 | tomdick | abrotman: gma 3000. i946gz chipset |
| 14:34.09 | abrotman | and what doesn't work ? |
| 14:35.15 | tomdick | the latest version of wine gives all kinds of gl errors when trying to run an app here at work |
| 14:35.28 | abrotman | oh .. maybe it's a wine problem ? |
| 14:35.33 | abrotman | what GL errors? |
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| 14:37.02 | abrotman | fling something! |
| 14:37.46 | Daveman | pies! |
| 14:37.53 | Daveman | oh, and perlmonkeys, apparently :p |
| 14:38.13 | perlmonkey | :D |
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| 14:39.29 | tomdick | abrotman: that's what i thought. #winehq thinks otherwise, and now that i look at the errors i do too. (not a programmer though). |
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| 14:39.52 | abrotman | tomdick: do they say things like "Driver claims to not support 0x46" etc ? |
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| 14:40.43 | dsoc | hello, people |
| 14:40.43 | dsoc | have one question |
| 14:40.43 | perlmonkey | how do you get a superblock onto a drive that has not got one |
| 14:40.44 | dsoc | is it possible to integrate somehow source packages to syanptic? |
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| 14:40.58 | dsoc | I mean, that I have a local repositary of sources |
| 14:41.09 | dsoc | and apt-get source <package> works for me |
| 14:41.25 | dsoc | but I can't do it from synaptic, can I ? |
| 14:42.23 | tomdick | abrotman: off the top of my head i can't remember. but there's this retirement party in the break room that i need to get to (whee!). i'll bbl |
| 14:42.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:42.40 | abrotman | kick the old fart down the stairs! |
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| 14:44.16 | th0ger | This is probably a faq, but I'm stuck... apt-get update says: "GPG error: http://mirrors.dotsrc.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D". Where can i find the key? |
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| 14:46.10 | perlmonkey | someone trigger the key bot thing for th0ger |
| 14:46.31 | Ronin | !tell th0ger about no public key |
| 14:46.36 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 14:54.49 | dustybin | im totally confused |
| 14:54.58 | perlmonkey | that makes two of us |
| 14:55.02 | dustybin | yesterday when i was installing bind9 and checking errors in logs |
| 14:55.05 | dustybin | i used |
| 14:55.07 | dustybin | grep -H named /var/log/* |
| 14:55.16 | dustybin | but now nothing is reported even though bind9 reports errors |
| 14:55.31 | dustybin | the last thing to be reported was about 12 hours ago |
| 14:56.17 | dustybin | /var/log/syslog.0:Mar 27 00:07:45 localhost named[5002]: invalid command from 127.0.0.1#49841: bad auth |
| 14:56.28 | dustybin | why isnt bind9 reporting errors to logs? |
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| 14:58.02 | RichiH | is there any tool that will let me know what packages i installed have had security bugs filed against them? |
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| 14:59.32 | tomdick | abrotman: wine errors - http://pastebin.ca/412138 |
| 14:59.56 | abrotman | HI |
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| 15:00.19 | abrotman | !tell RichiH about tracker of doom |
| 15:00.40 | RichiH | ta |
| 15:00.53 | abrotman | tomdick: i was told to ignore "libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5a" |
| 15:00.58 | cydork | RichiH: or debsecan |
| 15:01.10 | abrotman | tomdick: however .. the rest of it looks bad :) |
| 15:01.10 | tomdick | abrotman: if i go back to the old version of wine, i don't have this problem (0.0.20050310-1.2) |
| 15:01.13 | Axehat | I've just compiled the 2.6.18 kernel from source on Debian, and now X won't start; it beeps and then dies and I can't get back to text-mode, anyone know what's happened? |
| 15:01.48 | tomdick | Axehat: you kept your old kernel right? |
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| 15:02.00 | Axehat | tomdick: Yeah |
| 15:02.28 | Axehat | tomdick: I haven't deleted it anyway |
| 15:02.48 | RichiH | cydork: yah, the factoid is linking to that |
| 15:03.19 | tomdick | ctrl-alt-del and choose it from the boot menu. then copy the output from Xorg.0.log to pastebin.ca. come back with a link |
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| 15:03.57 | Axehat | Will do... |
| 15:04.19 | RichiH | apt-listbug is hanging btw |
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| 15:05.19 | cydork | RichiH: aah ok :) |
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| 15:05.29 | abrotman | tomdick: you mean the first error or the crash ? |
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| 15:05.38 | abrotman | tomdick: so it is a wine problem ? |
| 15:06.09 | RichiH | hrm, the fact that debsecan does not allow stable, testing or sid as keywords.. sucks.. |
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| 15:09.08 | tomdick | i don't know. i did have a hell of a time getting accelerated video (2d even) to work with this board (required using vanilla 2.6.19 kernel and libdrm, mesa and xf86-video-intel (2d) drivers from freedesktop.org). maybe it is just wine, it'd be a lot easier to grab it's latest source and compile than all this |
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| 15:10.22 | bkhl | What would be the preferred way to get automounting of USB drives and such in etch? (Something not connected to any particular desktop environment) |
| 15:10.25 | kingsley | What's the purpose of file named "/usr/share/qemu/vgabios-cirrus.bin" in the qemu package? |
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| 15:11.10 | mtrcn | hi everyone |
| 15:11.38 | mtrcn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.03 | mtrcn | because, I have two trip_points in thermal_zone |
| 15:12.11 | amphi | kingsley: it's a vga bios image |
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| 15:12.22 | Axehat | tomdick: http://www.copypot.com/2609 |
| 15:12.29 | mtrcn | critical (S5): 105 C |
| 15:12.29 | mtrcn | passive: 100 C: tc1=2 tc2=10 tsp=100 devices=0xffff810001fe8c80 |
| 15:12.43 | amphi | kingsley: for the emulated video card |
| 15:12.59 | kingsley | amphi: Is it a qemu or Windows file? |
| 15:13.06 | Axehat | tomdick: Seg fault... |
| 15:13.22 | mtrcn | how can I add more point? such as active[0], active[1] |
| 15:13.22 | kingsley | amphi: Specifically, is it Windows' cirrus driver? |
| 15:13.27 | amphi | kingsley: no |
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| 15:14.49 | amphi | kingsley: as file(1) eloquently attests: "BIOS (ia32) ROM Ext. IBM comp. Video (69*512)" |
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| 15:17.46 | kingsley | amphi: I see. |
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| 15:26.31 | perlmonkey | phew |
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| 15:26.38 | perlmonkey | think I got my raid back |
| 15:26.54 | Axehat | tomdick: I used 'X -configure' and now I can startx without the whole machine dying |
| 15:27.04 | perlmonkey | dont wanna say anymore incase I jinx it :-| |
| 15:27.18 | Axehat | tomdick: but it still won't startx, it just goes back to text-mode |
| 15:29.26 | Axehat | tea?! |
| 15:29.52 | elshaa | how can I know what users are part of the group "foo" (it's not a local group, so the line in /etc/groups is empty) |
| 15:30.18 | Axehat | tea's good too :) |
| 15:30.25 | perlmonkey | :) |
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| 15:30.43 | azeem | elshaa: getent group |
| 15:31.13 | perlmonkey | thanks! |
| 15:31.17 | perlmonkey | 15 mins to go |
| 15:31.32 | Axehat | hey, I need luck too, X is seg-faulting |
| 15:31.37 | Axehat | :-| |
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| 15:32.12 | perlmonkey | if this fails I lost everything and may give up technology alltogether and return the nearest jungle |
| 15:32.23 | Axehat | heheh |
| 15:32.27 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 15:32.39 | s | Axehat: Xorg segfaults? |
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| 15:33.20 | Axehat | s: It is on my machine, it was working fine with Linux 2.6.8-3, but as soon as I compiled 2.6.18-4, it seg faults |
| 15:33.32 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 15:33.39 | perlmonkey | do you always compile everything? |
| 15:33.46 | Axehat | God no |
| 15:33.48 | perlmonkey | some say it makes for a faster and more reliable system eh |
| 15:33.50 | Axehat | apt-get ftw |
| 15:33.57 | perlmonkey | Gentoo people compile everything |
| 15:34.07 | archville | what's the name of the network administration tool for gnome package ? |
| 15:34.21 | Axehat | http://www.copypot.com/2609 <--- xorg.0.log |
| 15:35.10 | perlmonkey | since I upgraded to 2.6.18-4 kernel I can't shutdown my systems |
| 15:35.22 | Axehat | heh |
| 15:35.36 | perlmonkey | which kinda sucks |
| 15:35.41 | s | Axehat: try it without an xorg.conf.. |
| 15:35.42 | Axehat | count yourself lucky, I'm stuck in text-mode |
| 15:35.45 | perlmonkey | and my electric bill is getting high |
| 15:35.49 | perlmonkey | ;-) |
| 15:35.51 | Axehat | ;) |
| 15:35.58 | Axehat | s: Will do... |
| 15:36.15 | perlmonkey | phew I know how it feels, as today im relegated to bitchx in a shell |
| 15:36.22 | jetscreamer | Axehat: sounds like you screwed up, to me :p |
| 15:36.23 | perlmonkey | having lost my NFS/raid home folder |
| 15:36.40 | perlmonkey | irc in shell in text = torture |
| 15:36.50 | amphi | perlmonkey: wtf? |
| 15:37.01 | aadil | heh, u poor baby |
| 15:37.10 | aadil | baby wants a nice shiny GUI? |
| 15:37.12 | aadil | ;p |
| 15:37.23 | perlmonkey | :P~ @ aadil |
| 15:37.27 | elshaa | azeem: thanks a lot ! |
| 15:37.38 | aadil | heh |
| 15:38.10 | perlmonkey | actually logging into X as root reveals a very nice theme! |
| 15:38.28 | perlmonkey | i think I will change to this when/if I get my user home folder back |
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| 15:38.49 | tristano | !services |
| 15:38.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 15:39.16 | tristano | hello, how to make a script starts at init? |
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| 15:39.42 | Axehat | s: 'No screens detected' |
| 15:39.46 | s | tristano: man update-rc |
| 15:39.52 | tristano | ok |
| 15:40.09 | abrotman | Axehat: look farther up the log |
| 15:40.12 | s | Axehat: which xorg version you're using? |
| 15:40.21 | tristano | there is not the man pages for update-rc |
| 15:40.26 | perlmonkey | Axehat: what did you do? |
| 15:40.36 | perlmonkey | Axehat: set your res lower |
| 15:40.50 | s | tristano: man update-rc.d |
| 15:41.19 | Axehat | s: X Window System Version 7.1.1 |
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| 15:41.30 | Axehat | The version in Etch |
| 15:41.32 | s | Axehat: and what is your graphic card? |
| 15:41.53 | Axehat | s: ATI Rage 128 Pro |
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| 15:41.59 | perlmonkey | same as mine! |
| 15:42.14 | s | oh.. but it should recognized by xorg without any config file.. |
| 15:42.17 | s | strange |
| 15:42.23 | Axehat | s: Yeah |
| 15:42.35 | s | Axehat: lspci | grep -i ati |
| 15:42.59 | abrotman | Axehat: paste the whole X log somewhere |
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| 15:43.19 | Axehat | abortman: www.copypot.com/2609 |
| 15:43.33 | Catachan | if I wanted to get the 2.6.20 kernel as a debian pkg, is there one already made? |
| 15:44.00 | abrotman | your modes are wrong |
| 15:44.02 | jetscreamer | probably somewhere |
| 15:44.02 | abrotman | Catachan: no |
| 15:44.08 | Catachan | I ask because, I have had some trouble just compiling it from source, I think that my kernel source I snatched is incomplete |
| 15:44.11 | jetscreamer | not an official one though |
| 15:44.17 | Axehat | 0000:00:10.0 Display Controller: ATO Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro Ultra TR |
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| 15:44.34 | Catachan | okay, thanks, I guess I will have to try and fix my kernel source thing |
| 15:44.36 | jetscreamer | go to mirrors.kernel.org and it won't be |
| 15:44.58 | abrotman | (WW) R128(0): Mode pool is empty |
| 15:44.59 | abrotman | (EE) R128(0): No valid modes found |
| 15:45.10 | Catachan | I got it from www.kernel.org, actually, but I can't run "make module_install" |
| 15:45.24 | Axehat | s: It couldn't be something to do with the Kernel's display drivers, could it? (total kernel newb talking here, so sorry if it makes no sense) |
| 15:45.46 | perlmonkey | speed=12462K/sec is that fast |
| 15:45.51 | Catachan | or any of the other "make" comands, except for "make menuconfig |
| 15:45.53 | Catachan | actually |
| 15:46.20 | abrotman | Axehat: then why are you compiling your kernel ? |
| 15:47.29 | Catachan | yeah, I try to run make module install, and I get: make: *** No rule to make target ' |
| 15:47.34 | Axehat | abrotman: I downloaded the kernel source using Apt-get and compiled the source using make-kpkg |
| 15:47.41 | Catachan | 'module_install'. Stop. |
| 15:47.49 | jetscreamer | Catachan: do make-kpkg --targets |
| 15:47.58 | Catachan | okay. . . |
| 15:48.06 | jetscreamer | you don't do make modules whatever |
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| 15:48.16 | jetscreamer | you do make-kpkg whatever |
| 15:48.34 | abrotman | Axehat: i realize that .. but why ? |
| 15:48.36 | Catachan | is this a debian kernel thing? |
| 15:48.42 | jetscreamer | know thy initrd btw |
| 15:48.47 | jetscreamer | no it's a make-kpkg thing |
| 15:48.50 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 15:48.54 | Axehat | abrotman: For a more up-to-date kernel... I guess |
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| 15:49.24 | perlmonkey | sheesh! |
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| 15:49.39 | perlmonkey | I got my raid back, but the fs appears to be screwed |
| 15:49.41 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 15:49.45 | jelly | hmm, is raid0 over a couple of raid1 0+1 or 10? |
| 15:49.58 | boris | what should I do with this gnome message? |
| 15:50.00 | perlmonkey | fuk |
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| 15:50.05 | boris | The X system keyboard settings differ from your current GNOME keyboard settings. Which set would you like to use? |
| 15:50.14 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.22 | Catachan | well, I mean, I switched to Debian from slackware, and in Slackware, it is definitely "make menuconfig" then you set it up like you want it, then "make" will compile the kernel, finally you run "make module_install" to compile and install the modules |
| 15:50.58 | jetscreamer | yes you want make menuconfig, and you can still do it the old way Catachan |
| 15:51.03 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg is just easier |
| 15:51.20 | Catachan | oh jeeze, it was "make moduleS_install" |
| 15:51.25 | Catachan | with an s |
| 15:51.28 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 15:51.32 | Catachan | *headdesk* |
| 15:51.36 | jelly | Catachan: in debian, it's "use the distro kernel", or make menuconfig then make-kpkg, or just install it, Debian won't mind much |
| 15:51.40 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg will do a modules package btw |
| 15:51.52 | jetscreamer | do --targets for a list of targets |
| 15:52.15 | abrotman | someone hit axehat when he gets back |
| 15:52.19 | jetscreamer | oh i like to aim for the corner on the headdeskthing |
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| 15:52.19 | jelly | jetscreamer: what do you mean, modules package? |
| 15:52.25 | Axehat | oops... |
| 15:52.33 | abrotman | Axehat: so you downloaded the same source for the kernel you already had ? |
| 15:52.35 | jelly | !hit Axehat |
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| 15:52.44 | perlmonkey | this is weeeiiird. If I do a ls on my home folder, I see all the folders there which I expect to see (on raid) if I do ls -all, they disappear! |
| 15:52.46 | jelly | abrotman: why? |
| 15:52.51 | jetscreamer | it has a modules target rather |
| 15:53.03 | abrotman | jelly: /lastlog :) |
| 15:53.08 | Axehat | I compiled the source for 2.6.18 once, then I compiled it again differently after the first one failed. |
| 15:53.10 | perlmonkey | wils0n___: admin: Input/output error |
| 15:53.10 | ma3x | can't you put in the topic Retrieving bug reports... 0% is not working?? |
| 15:53.10 | abrotman | or look up a few screens |
| 15:53.11 | Catachan | geez, what about this initrd thing |
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| 15:53.17 | ma3x | it's like that since days...... |
| 15:53.24 | perlmonkey | im screwed? |
| 15:53.26 | Catachan | I assume one was not automagically created yet |
| 15:53.31 | jetscreamer | as i said, know thy initrd |
| 15:53.40 | jetscreamer | no pass make-kpkg --initrd if you want one |
| 15:53.45 | Catachan | okay |
| 15:53.48 | perlmonkey | bash: cd: admin: Input/output error |
| 15:53.57 | jelly | Catachan: you don't need it if you configured the kernel for not needing it ;-) |
| 15:54.00 | perlmonkey | doesn't look good :-/ |
| 15:54.09 | Catachan | jelly, okay |
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| 15:54.20 | jetscreamer | but if you're compilling no point in initrd unles syou need one |
| 15:54.32 | Catachan | okay |
| 15:54.34 | jelly | jetscreamer: uswsusp requires one, for example |
| 15:54.40 | Catachan | I don't think a need one, but I might |
| 15:54.54 | Catachan | gonna set this stuff's up now, then try a reboot |
| 15:55.43 | Catachan | oh, yeah, what about setting up my root user to have syntax higlighted items in the terminal? I tried "su -" but that did not work |
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| 15:55.56 | Catachan | and my standard user ofcourse has colors |
| 15:56.10 | Catachan | which file? |
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| 15:56.12 | Catachan | to edit? |
| 15:56.40 | Axehat | abrotman: I'm not stupid enough to compile the source AGAIN for the kernel I'm running, I was using 2.6.8 at the time because 2.6.18 hadn't compiled properly (PEBCAK) |
| 15:56.55 | amphi | Catachan: syntax highlighted items? |
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| 15:57.05 | cydork | Catachan: .bashrc? |
| 15:57.09 | terraces | is mysql broken in unstable ? I cannot restart it after an upgrade |
| 15:57.17 | Catachan | oh, you know, that would prolly work |
| 15:57.22 | Catachan | I should have thought of that |
| 15:57.46 | boris | anyone knows what is the difference in keyboard settings between "X settings" and "GNOME settings" |
| 15:57.48 | boris | ? |
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| 15:59.16 | s | Axehat: you have Etch? |
| 15:59.26 | Axehat | s: Yeah |
| 15:59.50 | s | aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18.... should work! why do you want to compile it? |
| 16:00.05 | Axehat | s: My bad ;) |
| 16:00.45 | Axehat | linux-image-2.6.18 is the newest version... |
| 16:01.12 | Axehat | make-kpkg... dpkg -i <kernel>.deb |
| 16:01.19 | s | ok then remove it first.. the installed one is you're self compiled version i think |
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| 16:02.36 | Axehat | s: Thanks, I'll give it a shot |
| 16:02.54 | s | ;-) |
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| 16:04.18 | Axehat | s: 2.6.18 has no installation candidate |
| 16:04.36 | Axehat | s: That's also my fault for having a crappy apt sources list |
| 16:04.47 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 16:04.54 | perlmonkey | how do you restore a fuxed fs? |
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| 16:05.29 | perlmonkey | I'm getting I/O errors when I try and ls |
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| 16:06.10 | azeem | perlmonkey: fsck |
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| 16:06.47 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 16:07.04 | s | Axehat: then fix it ;-) |
| 16:07.06 | tomdick | perlmonkey: unmount the partition first |
| 16:07.12 | perlmonkey | is it safe to use fsck on a raid? |
| 16:07.28 | perlmonkey | tomdick: thanks for the warning, I was just about to |
| 16:07.40 | Axehat | s: I'm just hoping there isn't a blackout or anything because if I have to reboot without a kernel... although I guess I have the old one... |
| 16:07.57 | tomdick | Axehat: sorry, i just got back. it looks like you got some help? |
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| 16:09.01 | Axehat | tomdick: Yeah, thanks all the same! |
| 16:09.31 | Axehat | ;-) |
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| 16:10.11 | bzed | perlmonkey: you could tell fschk not to do anything |
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| 16:10.30 | bzed | perlmonkey: then it'll savely tell you if your device was put together the right way |
| 16:10.46 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:11.00 | Axehat | I swear on all things 1337; I will NEVER compile a kernel from source again |
| 16:11.23 | cydork | !gentoosmite Axehat |
| 16:11.37 | Axehat | heh |
| 16:11.39 | s | Axehat: ah you will.. i bet you will |
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| 16:11.57 | Axehat | s: I probably will, but for the time in which I am sane, I won't |
| 16:12.03 | Axehat | reboot time... |
| 16:12.26 | Catachan | reboot time for me too! yeha! |
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| 16:14.30 | Dimensions | Hiya is there any good and easy to use GUI programme for Bash / Shell scripts |
| 16:14.30 | Axehat | nope, still Sig 11 |
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| 16:14.48 | Dimensions | for develping GUIs |
| 16:15.12 | bzed | you want to develope GUIs with shell scripts? |
| 16:15.26 | jetscreamer | Axehat: try make oldconfig perhaps |
| 16:15.41 | s | Axehat: and if you boot the old kernel all works fine? |
| 16:15.42 | jetscreamer | Axehat: it 'must' be your menuconfigging ('must' |
| 16:15.44 | jetscreamer | ) |
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| 16:15.56 | jetscreamer | Axehat: try make oldconfig perhaps |
| 16:15.58 | Dimensions | bzed: i want to develop a GUI for shell scripts |
| 16:15.58 | jetscreamer | Axehat: it 'must' be your menuconfigging ('must' |
| 16:16.23 | mtrcn | I have a problem with my fan speed, I read lots of doc and How To but not solved |
| 16:16.28 | jetscreamer | this sounds like a job for .... SuperPerl! |
| 16:16.30 | mtrcn | because, I have two trip_points in thermal_zone |
| 16:16.36 | mallah | how to have timestamp in +0530 offset in apache logs instead of [27/Mar/2007:16:05:50 +0000] |
| 16:17.00 | mtrcn | how can I add more point? such as active[0], active[1] |
| 16:17.09 | Axehat | jetscreamer: the last 2 kernels I've had (Not including the one I'm using now) had the same problems, would 'make oldconfig' still work? |
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| 16:17.27 | bzed | Dimensions: driving a gui with a shell script doesn;t make sense at all imho. the php people try to do such bogus shit with php, too. |
| 16:17.27 | Axehat | jetscreamer: And my menuconfigging was aweful ;) |
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| 16:17.49 | Bogus8 | bzed: please don't take my name in vain ;) |
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| 16:18.04 | jetscreamer | Axehat: 'should'... it will still ask you about stuff that's not in your oldconfig ... |
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| 16:18.15 | bzed | !milk Bogus8 |
| 16:18.25 | Axehat | jetscreamer: Thanks, I'll give it a go |
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| 16:19.04 | perlmonkey | fs is screwed to fuk |
| 16:19.06 | perlmonkey | :-( |
| 16:19.14 | bzed | Axehat: as I jsut saw today, that won;t work always. for example it does not work for the sata drivers which were moved from scsi to libata |
| 16:19.30 | perlmonkey | Error while iterating over blocks in inode 4069: Illegal triply indirect block found |
| 16:19.31 | perlmonkey | e2fsck: aborted |
| 16:19.34 | bzed | perlmonkey: probably your raid is not stitched together the right way then |
| 16:19.47 | perlmonkey | bzed: what can be done? |
| 16:19.49 | Axehat | jetscreamer: done |
| 16:20.12 | bzed | perlmonkey: ask in the right room :) not sure where the md gurus ahve their irc chat, but I'm sure there is one |
| 16:20.15 | jetscreamer | Axehat: you would need initrd with that one imo |
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| 16:20.27 | mtrcn | does anyone know this? |
| 16:20.45 | Axehat | jetscreamer: You're talking to a kernel newb here, can you talk me through it? |
| 16:20.45 | jetscreamer | no nobody knows that |
| 16:20.55 | perlmonkey | bzed: do you know where the right room is |
| 16:20.58 | jetscreamer | Axehat: just pass --initrd to make-kpkg |
| 16:21.33 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image or so |
| 16:21.38 | bzed | Axehat: or run update-initramfs with the right params after installing |
| 16:21.40 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg.conf btw |
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| 16:21.59 | jetscreamer | what he said... i know nothing about initrd cept how to get make-kpkg to do it |
| 16:22.06 | perlmonkey | dont think there is one |
| 16:22.13 | toraton | So, I need some debian advice. I've been using Etch for awhile now, but I'm getting ready to purchase a dedicated server. Does it seem reasonable to use Etch for this server because it will be stable very soon? |
| 16:22.38 | jetscreamer | it 'seems' reasonable but it could bite you in the ass... might not though. |
| 16:22.39 | Axehat | Just on it now... |
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| 16:22.51 | toraton | jetscreamer, That's what I was thinking. |
| 16:23.04 | Axehat | jetscreamer: I've had my share of things biting me in the ass over the last week! |
| 16:23.04 | toraton | But if I go with Sarge, there's no easy way to switch to Etch when it releases, is there? |
| 16:23.04 | Catachan | I don't need to edit anything but the menu.lst for grub do I? |
| 16:23.22 | mallah | how to have timestamp in +0530 offset in apache logs instead of [27/Mar/2007:16:05:50 +0000] |
| 16:23.29 | jetscreamer | Axehat: i meant that assbiting thing for toraton |
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| 16:24.02 | perlmonkey | there is no special chatroom on freenode irc for raid support |
| 16:24.06 | bzed | mallah: you just don't want to have that. |
| 16:24.09 | bzed | perlmonkey: |
| 16:24.10 | mallah | how to search for apache channel |
| 16:24.19 | bzed | mallah: #apache |
| 16:24.29 | perlmonkey | bzed: ya |
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| 16:24.47 | bzed | perlmonkey: sorry. if there's one then probably on oftc |
| 16:24.58 | thnee | i apt-get'ed linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 and linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 and the nvidia .run-driver installed fine but i get this: http://pastebin.ca/412264 |
| 16:25.04 | bzed | perlmonkey: but I didn't find one :\ probably #storage or @linuxfs |
| 16:25.13 | perlmonkey | ok thanks |
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| 16:25.26 | bzed | thnee: you do NOT run the nv.run thing |
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| 16:25.32 | Axehat | Main problem is that X dies with a sinal 11 |
| 16:25.34 | bzed | !tell thnee abotu nvidia installer |
| 16:25.41 | bzed | !tell thnee aboutnvidia installer |
| 16:25.41 | toraton | So, does it scream out to anyone as a particularly BAD idea to run Etch on a server? |
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| 16:25.45 | Axehat | signal* |
| 16:25.50 | toraton | The server will be hosting a website and SVN |
| 16:25.53 | thnee | !tell thnee about nvidia installer |
| 16:25.58 | bzed | !tell thnee about vidia |
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| 16:26.03 | bzed | !tell thnee about nidia |
| 16:26.05 | bzed | ARGH |
| 16:26.08 | thnee | hahah |
| 16:26.09 | ChaosR | how would I be able to activate sound with the flash player (aka: let it use ALSA). I've already tried adding aoss to the firefox shortcut, but that didn't help at all |
| 16:26.12 | bzed | !tell thnee about nvdia |
| 16:26.18 | bzed | fuck keyboard |
| 16:26.18 | thnee | !tell thnee about nvidia |
| 16:26.24 | toraton | ChaosR, You could use Flash 9 |
| 16:26.26 | bzed | !tell thnee about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:26.31 | thnee | bzed: why shouldnt i? |
| 16:26.35 | toraton | ChaosR, It has ALSA support. |
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| 16:26.51 | perlmonkey | nothing :-/ |
| 16:26.54 | ChaosR | toraton: I'm sure I ahve it already |
| 16:27.07 | bzed | !tell thnee about nvidia installer |
| 16:27.10 | toraton | ChaosR, Then if it doesn't work, your ALSA is broken. |
| 16:27.17 | toraton | Probably, anyway. |
| 16:27.20 | perlmonkey | fuk it |
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| 16:27.34 | raphi | hi there. I've got a problem with VMware WS 4.5 and the actual debian testing, if the network-module gets loaded it crashes with a message from VMware, is there a known issue? I use the pcnet32 module (amd lance). |
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| 16:27.42 | ChaosR | toraton: no, every program, except for firefox correct uses ALSA |
| 16:27.42 | bzed | perlmonkey: i meant #storage or #linuxfs on OFTC |
| 16:27.47 | thnee | bzed: got it, thanks, so is it expected for X to segfault when i use the .run? |
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| 16:28.07 | toraton | ChaosR, How did you install flash? |
| 16:28.13 | toraton | ChaosR, Flash 9 is pretty new. |
| 16:28.18 | bzed | thnee: no, it'll more liek to segfault whenever debian upgrade it's apcakges but the nv stuff will nto be installed. |
| 16:28.19 | ChaosR | toraton: with the flash installer? |
| 16:28.28 | Jonny | Hi there. I have a fresh Debian machine here, and I need GCC. Available to me are GCC 2.95, 3.3, and 3.4. Which should I go for? |
| 16:28.35 | Jonny | I heard somewhere that 3.4 causes problems |
| 16:28.38 | Jonny | At least, I think it's 3.4 |
| 16:28.42 | bzed | thnee: if you've isntalled the nv.run stuff you want to uninstall it, though. and reinstall the debian pckages |
| 16:28.54 | toraton | JohnDoh, if you're unsure, 3.3 |
| 16:29.04 | Jonny | toraton, thanks :) |
| 16:29.04 | thnee | bzed: mkay, thanks |
| 16:29.15 | Axehat | jetscreamer: Done 'make-kpkg --initrd linux-image', now what? |
| 16:29.21 | ChaosR | toraton: yep, I have Flash 9 |
| 16:29.26 | bzed | themolester: there/s a /usr/bin/nvidia-installer or so which you can pass --uninstall on |
| 16:29.35 | Axehat | ====== making target linux-image [new prereqs: stamp-configure stamp-build-kernel stamp-kernel-image]====== |
| 16:29.38 | Axehat | This is kernel package version 10.067. |
| 16:29.44 | toraton | ChaosR, Interesting. |
| 16:30.24 | ChaosR | toraton: where can you select the sound that Flash Player should use? |
| 16:30.27 | bzed | ChaosR: which soundcard? |
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| 16:30.42 | toraton | ChaosR, Flash 9 uses ALSA, always. |
| 16:30.51 | ChaosR | interessting |
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| 16:30.56 | toraton | Yep. |
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| 16:31.12 | bzed | thnee: which card are you using? |
| 16:31.16 | Axehat | jetscreamer: ? |
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| 16:31.41 | thnee | bzed: mx440, reading dpkg's nvidia_legacy now |
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| 16:32.06 | bzed | thnee: check nvidia_legacy_cards |
| 16:32.09 | thnee | bzed: cause atleast to the .run files my card is not supported |
| 16:32.24 | bzed | thnee: another reason not to use them |
| 16:32.30 | thnee | bzed: or it is, with the legacy .run files |
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| 16:32.47 | torrgen | hi again ;@} how did i list the installed files of a package like icecast2, i was told, but forgot the command ;@} |
| 16:32.51 | bzed | thnee: nvidia is dropping more and more support. but the .run stuff is only pain in the ass on the long run |
| 16:33.00 | bzed | torrgen: man dpkg |
| 16:33.17 | Axehat | In other words: RTFM |
| 16:33.19 | Axehat | ;) |
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| 16:34.12 | bzed | thnee: err is the mx440 a realyl new card? |
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| 16:34.30 | thnee | bzed: no its several years old, but it isnt listed in nvidia_legacy_cards |
| 16:34.43 | thelostbutler | hello folks is it theoriticaly possible to have different versions of glibc installed on the system ? |
| 16:34.44 | thnee | bzed: would this not be the same legacy as with the .run legacy files? |
| 16:34.55 | ChaosR | Ok, I've tried reinstalling it as root, didn't make a difference |
| 16:35.15 | bzed | thnee: your card should be supported by the normal driver in etch |
| 16:35.35 | thnee | bzed: even though its not by the not-legacy .run? |
| 16:36.00 | bzed | thnee: the legacy.run supports it according tio http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/README/appendix-a.html |
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| 16:36.30 | ChaosR | bzed: I don't think the soundcard would make a difference, as all other ALSA suing programs work |
| 16:36.30 | torrgen | ah... i hate to read hundreds of lines when i can get help from polite people like you. ive got the ADHD and really hate to read ;} but i think i remember now: dpkg -L | icecast2 Right? |
| 16:36.34 | bzed | thnee: and what is now supported by the legacy driver from nvidia is supported by the normal driver in etch |
| 16:36.49 | bzed | ChaosR: how many of them work at the same time? |
| 16:36.59 | bzed | torrgen: no |
| 16:37.01 | ChaosR | bzed: soundcards?, one |
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| 16:37.10 | bzed | torrgen: without the | |
| 16:37.20 | thnee | bzed: allright |
| 16:37.28 | cahoot | ChaosR: already checked what FIREFOX_DSP is set to? |
| 16:37.30 | bzed | ChaosR: no, I mean: does your soundcard have a hardware mixer? |
| 16:37.39 | torrgen | ok tnx |
| 16:37.49 | toraton | bzed, ALSA has a software mixer these days anyway. |
| 16:37.55 | thnee | bzed: so ill just run the one-liner then |
| 16:37.56 | toraton | bzed, dmix is built into ALSA. |
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| 16:37.58 | torrgen | voila ;@} |
| 16:38.03 | bzed | toraton: which is not enabled by default |
| 16:38.11 | toraton | Hrm, it was for me. |
| 16:38.13 | ChaosR | bzed: if you mean how many programs work at the same time, I can watch a movie, listen to music and hear system/desktop sounds |
| 16:38.18 | bzed | thnee: remove the nv.run stuff first by running --uninstall |
| 16:38.23 | ChaosR | cahoot: it says: aoss |
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| 16:38.27 | thnee | bzed: allready done |
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| 16:38.33 | cahoot | ChaosR: try auto |
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| 16:38.40 | bzed | ChaosR: ok. and you're sure that you have flash 9?> then it shoudl work |
| 16:38.49 | cahoot | ChaosR: or none |
| 16:39.01 | perlmonkey | is speed=12690K/sec fast? |
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| 16:39.16 | bzed | ChaosR: you don;t need FIREFOX_DSP then, as flash will use alsa |
| 16:39.20 | Axehat | nope, another signal 11 |
| 16:39.25 | Axehat | this is annoying... |
| 16:39.31 | bzed | perlmonkey: depends on which kind of K. |
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| 16:39.49 | bzed | Axehat: probably just use a debian kernel? |
| 16:39.50 | thnee | bzed: also, the one-liner doesnt work, with the uname stuff it gets nvidia-kernel-k7 when it should get nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 .. |
| 16:39.53 | JordiGH | Where can I see the number of source packages in Debian? |
| 16:40.00 | Axehat | It is a debian kernel |
| 16:40.08 | bzed | Axehat: and what does not work? |
| 16:40.11 | bzed | thnee: oh |
| 16:40.27 | Axehat | bzed: X catches a sig 11 on startx |
| 16:40.46 | JordiGH | I'm trying to get an estimate of how many packages actually exist in debian. |
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| 16:40.48 | bzed | thnee: fixed, thanks |
| 16:40.53 | perlmonkey | bzed: I noticed earlier my raid was created with 64k chunk size, when it had 32k previously. do you think that might of caused the corrupt fs? |
| 16:40.58 | ChaosR | cahoot: firefox' config file is in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc, even when using a separate firefox installation? |
| 16:41.07 | bzed | perlmonkey: definitely |
| 16:41.23 | perlmonkey | bzed: woah. thanks. I have recreated now with 32k chunk |
| 16:41.32 | cahoot | ChaosR: do an rgrep for firefox_dsp in /etc |
| 16:42.05 | archville | I have selected Iceweasel as the default browser in Gnome but Xchat starts Galeon instead when clicking on an url. ¿ Do i miss something ? |
| 16:42.46 | JordiGH | Xchat isn't a Gnome app. You'll have to tell it otherwise to use Iceweasel. |
| 16:43.01 | bzed | Axehat: paste the output of lspci -v into a pastebin please |
| 16:43.05 | archville | Mmm, ok |
| 16:43.20 | bzed | archville: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 16:43.38 | bzed | archville: run that as root |
| 16:43.40 | Axehat | bzed: http://www.copypot.com/2610 |
| 16:43.56 | perlmonkey | when you're installing Deb from a CD (in this case xfce iso), what do you do if you need drivers for your hardware that's not on the cd? Deb asks for floppy eh, but my laptop doesnt have a floppy drive. I was not able to swap cd's and mount cd drive either :-/ any ideas, short of burning a custom cd? |
| 16:44.09 | ChaosR | cahoot: and then? |
| 16:44.11 | JordiGH | archville: Settings -> Advanced -> URL handler |
| 16:44.26 | archville | bzed, yup, it worked |
| 16:44.28 | archville | thanks :) |
| 16:44.34 | bzed | np |
| 16:44.41 | cahoot | ChaosR: well it would show if there are other instances of the term |
| 16:44.42 | archville | JordiGH, i already had iceweasel there |
| 16:44.43 | JordiGH | There's an Xfce iso now? |
| 16:44.45 | JordiGH | Since when? |
| 16:44.46 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 16:44.51 | perlmonkey | for etch |
| 16:44.52 | ChaosR | cahoot: it results nothing :P |
| 16:45.00 | bzed | perlmonkey: try the normal debian isntaller first |
| 16:45.05 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:45.31 | bzed | xfce installer sounds like ubuntu |
| 16:45.38 | ChaosR | cahoot: it returns 1 |
| 16:45.44 | ChaosR | dinner, bbl |
| 16:45.51 | perlmonkey | bzed: I'm pretty sure the firmware wont be available for my card tho, even if the driver is. It's a D-Link D650+ and I remember last time I had to get it off a site |
| 16:45.57 | JordiGH | I heard about a KDE iso, but not an Xfce one. |
| 16:46.03 | cahoot | ChaosR: ok so there's you answer |
| 16:46.28 | perlmonkey | bzed: no way, Debian has released an xcfe cd its on their website under current releases |
| 16:46.33 | bzed | oh |
| 16:46.37 | bzed | for etch? |
| 16:46.40 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: Where did you get find it? |
| 16:46.40 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 16:46.47 | perlmonkey | i will show u, just a sec |
| 16:46.50 | archville | there are isos for kde, gnome and xfce afaik |
| 16:47.05 | bzed | awesome |
| 16:47.05 | JordiGH | But where's EduDebian? |
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| 16:47.12 | bzed | !edudebian |
| 16:47.16 | bzed | !edu debian |
| 16:47.22 | bzed | !slap yourself |
| 16:47.23 | JordiGH | TWAJS |
| 16:47.29 | archville | however, there aren't isos without any of the three |
| 16:47.31 | archville | :\ |
| 16:47.36 | edju | tor isn't in the etch repositories? |
| 16:47.45 | JordiGH | archville: Sure there is! The netinstall! |
| 16:47.46 | bzed | archville: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:47.46 | toraton | archville, net install ? |
| 16:48.04 | Axehat | Screw it, 2.6.18's going, back to 2.6.8 |
| 16:48.04 | perlmonkey | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 16:48.08 | rgsteele | This is wierd. I have a user who isn't in LDAP, isn't in the system password file, but getent passwd shows: -:x:1370:1248:username:/home/-:/bin/bash |
| 16:48.12 | moshii | Does anyone know of debian supporting dedicated providers in japan? |
| 16:48.17 | bzed | JordiGH: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu |
| 16:48.24 | archville | Uh, but netinstall doesn't need network ? |
| 16:48.28 | bzed | moshii: what do you mean by support? |
| 16:48.39 | JordiGH | Wow. I guess it wasn't a joke after all. |
| 16:48.47 | bit0 | is BTS down? "connect(2) (bugs.donarmstrong.com, #80)" |
| 16:48.49 | moshii | bzed: will install debian on a machine and not screw it up |
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| 16:48.51 | Azar | moshii: strange, confusing question > what providers? |
| 16:49.03 | Axehat | bzed: I'm gonna go back to 2.6.8 |
| 16:49.04 | bzed | bit0: afaik the soap interfaces moves to b.d.o |
| 16:49.09 | fluxdude3 | I keep getting the following error when trying sftp with rssh to chroot |
| 16:49.13 | moshii | Azar: I need a provider in Japan for a Japan targetted project |
| 16:49.16 | bzed | Axehat: you could paste me the output |
| 16:49.20 | fluxdude3 | rssh_chroot_helper[14450]: execv() failed, /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server: Permission denied |
| 16:49.26 | bit0 | bzed, b.d.o.?? sorry |
| 16:49.28 | Azar | moshii: you mean a .... debian provider? |
| 16:49.30 | fluxdude3 | but sftp-server perms should be ok: |
| 16:49.31 | bzed | Axehat: you don't want to go back to 2.6.8 |
| 16:49.34 | abrotman | does the file exist ? |
| 16:49.36 | wesley_ | how do i mark a package "hold"? |
| 16:49.37 | thnee | bzed: now it tells me: http://pastebin.ca/412302 which i got earlier aswell, what is this kernel module and X module? |
| 16:49.39 | bzed | bit0: bugs.debian.org |
| 16:49.40 | fluxdude3 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 549164 Mar 26 18:10 /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server |
| 16:49.43 | Axehat | bzed: I don't! But that seems to work |
| 16:49.46 | abrotman | maybe Axehat should try the kernel from backports.org ? |
| 16:49.47 | Axehat | bzed: http://www.copypot.com/2610 |
| 16:49.54 | moshii | Azar: Well a dedicated server provider that'll install debian and not rhel :P |
| 16:49.54 | fluxdude3 | any ideas? |
| 16:50.05 | perlmonkey | bzed: so if my wifi card is not supported, im gonna be stuck eh? |
| 16:50.14 | bzed | Axehat: are you runnign amd64 on that? |
| 16:50.16 | Azar | moshii: heck never heard of such. |
| 16:50.18 | bit0 | bzed, thanks :) |
| 16:50.25 | bzed | perlmonkey: which driver supports the card normally? |
| 16:50.26 | Axehat | bzed: No, ppc ;) |
| 16:50.36 | perlmonkey | bzed: acx-100 |
| 16:50.39 | bzed | bit0: probably try to upgrade apt-listbugs |
| 16:50.40 | abrotman | lalala .. backports.org kernel! |
| 16:50.43 | \amethyst | moshii: have you tried googling for debain "dedicated hosting" site:jp ? |
| 16:50.50 | moshii | perlmonkey: acx100 is supported |
| 16:50.56 | Azar | moshii: debian is not a commercial system |
| 16:51.04 | perlmonkey | yeah but the firmware is not free and debian can't/wont package it |
| 16:51.10 | perlmonkey | so you have to get it from a third party |
| 16:51.15 | JordiGH | Azar: But it can be sold... |
| 16:51.17 | \amethyst | Azar: I think he means hosting providers that will install debian on their machines for you |
| 16:51.34 | JordiGH | Azar: Actually, what are you talking about. You can buy Debian CDs from Debian. It's commercial. |
| 16:51.38 | moshii | \amethyst: yeah, but it's nicer to ask people than rely on crappy marketing blurb |
| 16:51.42 | perlmonkey | so im fuked |
| 16:51.48 | Azar | ahhhhh yes they are, but not sure if in japan, moshii you will have to google for it |
| 16:52.02 | bzed | perlmonkey: nah |
| 16:52.16 | Azar | \amethyst: I know of some but they still sit with woody.... hard to find one that dares to go up to Sarge or Etch |
| 16:52.17 | perlmonkey | probably best to burn a minimal netinst cd and put my firmware on it? |
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| 16:52.36 | bzed | perlmonkey: download the cd image, get the cd installer's kernel sources (which is just 2.6.18 from etch I think), build the module, drop the .ko file into the iso and burn it |
| 16:52.50 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 16:52.50 | bzed | perlmonkey: and insmod the module from the installer's shell |
| 16:52.58 | moshii | Azar: debian isn't commercial, but in the top 3 for enterprise work if I remember correctly. :) |
| 16:53.01 | thnee | bzed: ran rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia and it worked, thanks anyway =) |
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| 16:53.14 | perlmonkey | bzed: sounds a wee bit complicated for a monkey |
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| 16:53.49 | mallah | i solved by problem by running dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 16:53.55 | perlmonkey | will try it |
| 16:54.05 | Axehat | bzed: What do yyou suggest? |
| 16:54.06 | mallah | problem was --> how to have timestamp in +0530 offset in apache logs instead of [27/Mar/2007:16:05:50 +0000] |
| 16:54.08 | bzed | thnee: I'd still recommend to use the --uninstall of the installer, it may leave some bad libs. but if it works, you can save that step util ru run into problems probably. |
| 16:54.09 | Axehat | you* |
| 16:54.11 | Azar | moshii: yes one can make business with debian .... but is on their own to install, operate and maintain as far as I know... there is no "customer service" at least not official |
| 16:54.15 | moshii | \amethyst: I've searched a bit, I've had some really good tips for hosting from Debian people in the past though. |
| 16:54.22 | bzed | Axehat: hmmm |
| 16:54.25 | wols_ | perlmonkey: but it's a PERLmonkey. basically an abomination I guess... |
| 16:54.29 | bzed | Axehat: did you upgrade all packages? |
| 16:54.37 | moshii | Azar: my VPS provider install and support debian. |
| 16:54.50 | JordiGH | Azar: Yes there is official customer support for Debian. You can hire a Debian consultant listed in the webpage. |
| 16:54.57 | Azar | moshii: from the goodnes of their heart god bless their souls |
| 16:55.01 | yang | where can i specify to stop rotating the wtmp log? |
| 16:55.04 | wols_ | Azar: there are various companies that provide debian support |
| 16:55.05 | bzed | JordiGH: that's not official from debian ;) |
| 16:55.15 | bzed | moshii: even HP provides debian support |
| 16:55.17 | wols_ | some of them even have e.g. IBM DB2 certified on debian |
| 16:55.17 | Axehat | I think so, after changing /etc/apt/sources.list, I did the apt-get upgrade-dist (or whatever the distro upgrade command is) |
| 16:55.20 | perlmonkey | how do you "drop files" into an iso image |
| 16:55.23 | thnee | bzed: i already had done that, must have been from my other mixturing with the glx stuff and kernels before.. |
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| 16:55.27 | JordiGH | bzed: Uh, isn't it? The Debian consultors are in the Debian webpages. |
| 16:55.32 | perlmonkey | do you mean, open the iso first? |
| 16:55.35 | wols_ | perlmonkey: mkisofs |
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| 16:55.38 | bzed | yang: configure logrotate |
| 16:55.39 | moshii | Azar: That and people would rather trust a company that support their Debian customers than ones that have strings of Redhat certs. |
| 16:55.40 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 16:56.04 | bzed | JordiGH: yes, but they're not related with debian at all, they jsut say that they provide support |
| 16:56.17 | bzed | perlmonkey: mount it |
| 16:56.30 | moshii | bzed: I'm really just looking for a provider in Japan that aren't going to kick up a stink because their hardware won't work with Debian. Which has happened in the past. |
| 16:56.31 | Azar | moshii: most likely there are organizations or groups of businesses who decide to use Debian then have their own ITs trained to assist. |
| 16:56.31 | perlmonkey | you can mount iso's, i never knew that |
| 16:56.32 | cydork | JordiGH: you want my paypal account ? :P |
| 16:56.38 | bzed | perlmonkey: mount -o loop thefile.iso /tmp/somedir |
| 16:56.47 | Kobaz | i'm trying to get kame ipsec going over here, and i've compiled in the ipsec stuff, set up racoon on both ends, and nothing ever connets... anyone here good with ipsec? |
| 16:56.48 | perlmonkey | woohoo thanks |
| 16:56.49 | moshii | Azar: And that's exactly what I'm looking for :P |
| 16:57.13 | tenco | let's say i've installed vpnc from vanilla sources and want to use network-manager-vpnc (which depends on package vpnc) and want to install this without installing package vpnc. how would i do this? i know there's a way to install empty pseudo-packages, but don't know how that works |
| 16:57.19 | Azar | moshii: then you could google for in your country area |
| 16:57.21 | bzed | Axehat: did you apt-get update / upgrade lately? |
| 16:57.36 | Axehat | Yeah, I've only been on testing for a few days |
| 16:57.36 | petemc | tenco: equivs |
| 16:57.40 | bzed | Kobaz: why don't you use debian packages? |
| 16:57.53 | moshii | Azar: the problem with googling for hosting is that you see something very nice and it ends up to be the pits |
| 16:58.08 | perlmonkey | ok my raid is nearly done creating with 32k chunk this time, fingers crossed. I may have done some damage tho with fsck :-/ |
| 16:58.10 | Kobaz | bzed: i am.. racoon has a debian package in the main pool |
| 16:58.12 | solemnwarning | I want to make root logins impossible, except for the local terminals. Is editing /etc/securettys and setting PermitRootLogin to no in sshd_config enough? |
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| 16:58.15 | Azar | .. looks like amd64 + sata still have kernel issues on Etch... |
| 16:58.26 | JordiGH | bzed: The Debian consultants are expected to give part of their income from consulting to Debian. How are they not related to Debian, then? http://www.us.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 16:58.33 | moshii | Azar: I got a German provider from a tip here that shifted 1.5TB a day easilly.. that's the sort of thing I need :P |
| 16:58.49 | perlmonkey | Debian has over 1,000 developers eh |
| 16:58.49 | Kobaz | bzed: i'm using ipsec-tools and racoon |
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| 16:59.02 | perlmonkey | and they can over rule the leader |
| 16:59.07 | bzed | Kobaz: you just said you compiled them |
| 16:59.26 | Azar | JordiGH: they are not part of Debian community: they are simply IT trained to install, run and maintain the system |
| 16:59.29 | bzed | JordiGH: it still doesn;t mean that they knwo their job |
| 16:59.42 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 16:59.45 | Kobaz | bzed: no i said I compiled in the ipsec stuff into the kernel |
| 16:59.56 | bzed | Kobaz: why do you compile a kernel? |
| 16:59.56 | yang | bzed: to stop logrotate I must comment everything in logrotate.conf ? |
| 16:59.57 | perlmonkey | i didnt know debian has a consitution |
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| 17:00.01 | perlmonkey | *constitution |
| 17:00.02 | Kobaz | bzed: to alleviate any questions about if i'm missing drivers or not :P |
| 17:00.04 | bzed | JordiGH: read again: Please note that some consultants donate a portion of their income (derived from Debian) to supporting Debian. This is up to each consultant or company |
| 17:00.06 | JordiGH | Azar: What's the Debian community? The DDs, you mean? |
| 17:00.09 | cydork | JordiGH: that's not mandatory afaik. |
| 17:00.33 | Kobaz | bzed: because i want to use the kernel i want to use instead of whatever the debian packages give me |
| 17:00.33 | perlmonkey | debian is like a huge corporation, but without the skyscrappers and moula |
| 17:00.36 | Azar | JordiGH: you know well what I mean: those who volunteer: VOLUNTEER to develop Debian |
| 17:00.41 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: The constitution is for DDs. Debian is also a social experiment. |
| 17:00.46 | Kobaz | bzed: are you familiar with ipsec? |
| 17:00.48 | bzed | perlmonkey: err, only DDs are allowed to vote, and afaik there're over 1000 maintainers,. but not more than 1000 DDs |
| 17:00.48 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 17:01.00 | JordiGH | Azar: So you mean DDs when you say "Debian community". |
| 17:01.03 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 17:01.13 | JordiGH | A maintainer is a DD. |
| 17:01.17 | Azar | bah... drop it ok? it does not lead anywhere |
| 17:01.20 | bzed | Kobaz: not really, but I doubt anybody is going to help you if you're not using debian packages and kernels, becuase then we can start on checking fi your kernel works |
| 17:01.24 | bzed | JordiGH: no |
| 17:01.36 | bzed | JordiGH: a maintainer maintains a package, there's no need to be a DD for that |
| 17:01.37 | JordiGH | bzed: Huh? |
| 17:01.49 | Kobaz | bzed: i would have to strongly disagree because it doesn't matter what kernel you're using for many things |
| 17:01.50 | Azar | JordiGH: I smell you want to start some dirty politics |
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| 17:02.14 | Kobaz | bzed: do you know something about ipsec? if not, this isn't helping my issue |
| 17:02.15 | bzed | JordiGH: there're a lot of maintainers who're only lookign for a sponsor to get their package uploaded to debian. |
| 17:02.26 | moshii | mm I've noticed a big bug in edict in the meantime :/ |
| 17:02.39 | JordiGH | bzed: Yes there is. In order to be a maintainer you have to be a DD. It means the same thing. You have to go through a lengthy application process in order to check your technical skills in order to be a DD, and you're expected to maintain more than one package. You're expected to contribute to Debian as a whole |
| 17:02.52 | perlmonkey | fuk fuck FUK. my raid is STILL screwed |
| 17:02.56 | moshii | looking up foreign words e->j doesn't work but j->e does. benri |
| 17:03.03 | \amethyst | JordiGH: In order to UPLOAD you have to be a DD |
| 17:03.15 | JordiGH | Oh, I see what you mean. Sorry. |
| 17:03.19 | Kobaz | so anyways... |
| 17:03.22 | \amethyst | you can be the primary maintainer of the package without being a DD as long as you have a sponsor |
| 17:03.24 | Kobaz | i'm trying to get kame ipsec going over here, and i've compiled in the ipsec stuff, set up racoon on both ends, and nothing ever connets... anyone here good with ipsec? |
| 17:03.24 | Axehat | perlmonkey: We'll say that's definate proof that digital finger-crossing won't work... |
| 17:03.34 | bzed | Kobaz: it matters if you have the right options set in your kernel. and I knwo that's the case in debians kernel, and I know that debian's packages work. if you compile your own stuff, you're on your own. feel free to pay me for that. |
| 17:03.39 | \amethyst | JordiGH: you generally have to maintain a package before you become a DD in fact :) |
| 17:03.42 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 17:03.47 | Kobaz | bzed: you're wrong |
| 17:03.48 | bzed | Kobaz: probably somebody else will help you, but I ahve better thanks to do |
| 17:04.00 | perlmonkey | 32k chunk didnt cut it |
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| 17:04.01 | bzed | Kobaz: no, i'm not. |
| 17:04.11 | Kobaz | you are, actually... and here is why |
| 17:04.15 | tenco | petemc: in control files for equivs, what das Standards-Version mean? there's already a Version line |
| 17:04.32 | petemc | tenco: dont know off hand |
| 17:04.36 | bzed | moshii: use reportbug then ;) |
| 17:04.38 | \amethyst | tenco: the version of the Debian packaging standards that it complies with |
| 17:04.56 | stew | tenco: what version of debian-policy the package complies with |
| 17:04.58 | moshii | bzed: I will once I've found some hosting :) |
| 17:05.02 | bzed | Axehat: not sure if I missed your answer, but did you upgrade your system recently? |
| 17:05.09 | perlmonkey | thats it then. i am well and truly screwed. 27GB data lost. 3 years work down the drain |
| 17:05.12 | bzed | moshii: you're not using debian at home? :P |
| 17:05.19 | stew | tenco: install debian-policy, then see /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz |
| 17:05.21 | Azar | thanks god bugs are still opening in time: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=416374 |
| 17:05.23 | Kobaz | bzed: the kernel is the kernel, for the most part (except if you depend on distro specific modifications).. and if you compile in all dependencies needed for a specific system setup it doesn't matter at all what kernel you are using, packaged or not |
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| 17:05.30 | Axehat | bzed: No, But I've only had Etch for a week |
| 17:05.34 | moshii | bzed: I've reported a bunch of Japanese related bugs but not a single one has been fixed |
| 17:05.46 | bzed | Axehat: you should try to find the bug... |
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| 17:05.50 | moshii | bzed: of course, I just have to find hosting first ;) |
| 17:05.58 | Axehat | bzed: Heh, I'd love too |
| 17:05.59 | Azar | moshii: because all effort is now going to fix the Etch release-related serious bugs |
| 17:06.01 | Kobaz | bzed: which is the whole entire point of the linux kernel... is that the userland stuff is kernel agnostic for the most part |
| 17:06.03 | perlmonkey | let this be a lesson to those who fuk with soft raids and try and expand them, and dont have backups |
| 17:06.09 | Axehat | bzed: only I have no idea ;-) |
| 17:06.21 | JordiGH | moshii: There was (is?) a long flamwar about maintainers not responding to bugs in the debian-devel list. :-/ |
| 17:06.25 | Kobaz | bzed: but i'm sure you already know that, since you're obviously the expert |
| 17:06.33 | Tchaka | Hi! |
| 17:06.39 | Artemis3 | perlmonkey, raid 1? |
| 17:06.40 | bzed | moshii: well, I guess the problem is that there're not so many people who understand japanese or are able to debug such a a bug because they don;t understand what they're seeing ;) |
| 17:06.48 | perlmonkey | Artemis3: raid 5 |
| 17:06.51 | moshii | Azar: I think a serious bug in GTK should be RC.. like mashing listings if you don't happen to be using a western locale |
| 17:07.07 | \amethyst | mashing listings? |
| 17:07.13 | Artemis3 | perlmonkey, softraid 5? whoa... |
| 17:07.17 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 17:07.27 | tenco | thanks |
| 17:07.27 | tenco | works :) |
| 17:07.27 | bzed | Kobaz: a lot of ipsec stuff is in the kernel, so it's absolutely not a problem to fuck ipsec up by building your own kernel |
| 17:07.29 | ChaosR | back |
| 17:07.37 | Axehat | bzed: I really have no idea, I'm gonna switch back to 2.6.8 (although I'd really rather not) |
| 17:07.44 | boris | if I install font by dragin it to fonts:/// will the new font be available to all users? |
| 17:07.45 | Kobaz | bzed: why would you "fuck up ipsec" by compiling a kernel |
| 17:07.50 | moshii | \amethyst: Directory listings get trashed if you have files/directories when funny charsets |
| 17:07.57 | bzed | Axehat: did you upgrade after installing? |
| 17:07.57 | ChaosR | Have anyone found a solution yet? |
| 17:08.00 | perlmonkey | soft raid = fine as long as you leave it alone. try to grow it/expand it, and you need to thread very carefully and have backups |
| 17:08.04 | bzed | Axehat: and/or tried a recent kernel? |
| 17:08.18 | bzed | perlmonkey: that's what it says in BIG letters even in the kernel config |
| 17:08.19 | moshii | bzed: the problems are more UTF related than Japanese, none of my System is in Japanese you see |
| 17:08.22 | Axehat | bzed: Recent as in...2.6.18? |
| 17:08.22 | Kobaz | bzed: i've been using linux for 15 years and i've never had problems with things not working because I compiled a kernel versus used a prepacked one, are you afraid of a little gcc? |
| 17:08.26 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 17:08.29 | wols_ | Kobaz: cause people fuck up custom kernels all the time even without ipsec. and the "normal" kernel is a lot easier than ipsec |
| 17:08.42 | Azar | Axehat: when I upgraded to Etch first it worked charms with 2.6.16... try that one |
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| 17:08.50 | Artemis3 | perlmonkey, i think i keep using hardware controllers thanks ^^; |
| 17:08.56 | Axehat | Azar: Thanks |
| 17:09.10 | Kobaz | wols_: i would agree that people tend to screw up, but if you get it right it makes no difference |
| 17:09.19 | wols_ | Kobaz: you are lying. everyone fucks up a kernel compile now and then. the trick is to see what one did wrong. |
| 17:09.28 | Axehat | bzed: apt-get upgrade had no effect |
| 17:09.40 | bzed | Axehat: did you apt-get update before? |
| 17:09.50 | Axehat | Before getting the kernel? No. |
| 17:09.58 | Azar | Axehat: did you tried "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" ? it might work better? |
| 17:10.08 | Axehat | Azar: Not yet ;) |
| 17:10.16 | bzed | Axehat: you need to run update before upgrade, or it'll try to pull old packages |
| 17:10.24 | Kobaz | wols_: sure, i've had compiles go wrong, because of problems with the source tree, but using a kernel that compiles cleanly with proper options set has worked for me quite nicely |
| 17:10.30 | moshii | \amethyst: *with funny charsets |
| 17:10.32 | bzed | Axehat: even the packages on the installer are not 100% uptodate as long as etch is not released |
| 17:10.44 | JordiGH | Does aptitude update do anything differently than apt-get update? |
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| 17:11.02 | bzed | Kobaz: you can still forget to enable the right switches. or just don't realize that an option has changed |
| 17:11.07 | bzed | JordiGH: no |
| 17:11.14 | Azar | Axehat: aptitude is ment for a cleaning of the old system, if it will offer to remove packages, go along with that, note down what is being removed and reinstall later using the same aptitude command |
| 17:11.14 | Kobaz | bzed: pilot error |
| 17:11.25 | bzed | Kobaz: but you can still pastebin your problem, probably somebody has an idea |
| 17:11.35 | DawnLight | hello |
| 17:11.35 | Axehat | Azar: Thanks |
| 17:11.40 | bzed | Kobaz: oh I see, that does not happen to you |
| 17:11.45 | \amethyst | moshii: In the file chooser? |
| 17:11.53 | Kobaz | bzed: nothing to do with the difference between using prepacked and custom built, you can still screw it up either way |
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| 17:12.01 | wols_ | Kobaz why do you need your own kernel? can't you use a debian one at least for testing purposes? |
| 17:12.06 | moshii | \amethyst: Indeed |
| 17:12.13 | bzed | Kobaz: but the debian package is NOT screwed up and it works |
| 17:12.17 | stew | Kobaz: have you ever seen the message "VFS: unable to mount root"? |
| 17:12.24 | Kobaz | sure |
| 17:12.28 | bzed | oh |
| 17:12.29 | Kobaz | pilot error |
| 17:12.31 | bzed | pilot error? |
| 17:12.37 | Kobaz | user error |
| 17:12.41 | Kobaz | same thing :P |
| 17:12.42 | bzed | ipsec: pilot error. |
| 17:13.07 | stew | "i've never had problems with things not working because I compiled a kernel" |
| 17:13.24 | hunterones | does anyone know the command to clear the bash_history? |
| 17:13.29 | bzed | moshii: want to have something to stab that person? |
| 17:13.30 | Kobaz | stew: that's not what i said |
| 17:13.32 | stew | hunterones: rm ~/.bash_history |
| 17:13.36 | stew | Kobaz: it is, verbatim |
| 17:13.45 | Kobaz | stew: er, well, out of context |
| 17:13.51 | bzed | hunterones: or echo > ~/.bash_history |
| 17:13.59 | Kobaz | stew: heh, which is what i should have said.. anyways |
| 17:14.04 | abrotman | stew: shouldn't you be .. outside? |
| 17:14.16 | JordiGH | moshii: Ubuntu doesn't get timely updates on the Universe snapshot they take from Debian. I have a few pet packages that are in Ubuntu's universe, so I stay with Debian in order to track their most recent changes. |
| 17:14.17 | stew | abrotman: can't too much work before my vacation |
| 17:14.17 | bzed | abrotman: ew, the sun is shining :P |
| 17:14.24 | Kobaz | stew: the context is: compiled with the proper options... you can dig that quote up |
| 17:14.25 | abrotman | stew: vacation?!!? |
| 17:14.36 | hunterones | na nah =[ |
| 17:14.46 | hunterones | the one that dont appear in the next logoff, you kno? |
| 17:14.53 | abrotman | stew: eh .. so this means you'll not be around on sunday? |
| 17:14.58 | stew | abrotman: 4 days in .nl then a week in .il for passover |
| 17:15.03 | stew | abrotman: nope, fly out tomorrow |
| 17:15.03 | Kobaz | stew: people seem to think there is this magical difference between compileing in option X versus doing insmod X |
| 17:15.24 | JordiGH | stew is Jewish! |
| 17:15.24 | abrotman | stew: then i won't stop and visit on my way back from my passover :) |
| 17:15.24 | bzed | hunterones: ther one you've used to remove the bash_hostory will always show up |
| 17:15.25 | stew | JordiGH: no, i'm not |
| 17:15.25 | Kobaz | stew: the end result is the same, assuming you have the code compiled |
| 17:15.35 | bzed | hunterones: except you seth HISTORYFILE=/dev/null |
| 17:15.38 | stew | Kobaz: no, its not |
| 17:15.40 | moshii | JordiGH: I stay with Debian because I don't argee with Ubuntu |
| 17:15.48 | bzed | !beer moshii |
| 17:16.09 | Kobaz | stew: actually it is... modules load themselves into kernel space and behave as if they were internal to the kernel, that's the point of modules |
| 17:16.58 | stew | Kobaz: sure. i don't know what your point is, but.. sure |
| 17:17.08 | Kobaz | stew: there are a few exceptions here and there, but generally... |
| 17:17.14 | JordiGH | moshii: Oh, me too. :-) But people often need technical reasons for relating to their software, not ethical ones. |
| 17:17.23 | Kobaz | stew: well, hehe... bzed was fighting with me about why i don't use a prepackaged debian kernel |
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| 17:17.40 | moshii | JordiGH: I don't really see the differnece between ubuntu and debian's testing branch if you know what you're doing |
| 17:18.04 | bzed | Kobaz: no. I just told you that I'm not going to help with software you've compiled on your own |
| 17:18.07 | JordiGH | moshii: There are surprises now and then. |
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| 17:18.43 | Kobaz | bzed, stew: so that was my whole rant about that it really makes no difference, you can screw stuff up either way... ie: not every dependency is met... you could have just as easily not compiled in a driver or not done an insmod |
| 17:18.52 | Kobaz | bzed: that's a terrible attitude |
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| 17:18.59 | Kobaz | bzed: are you a developer? |
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| 17:19.24 | FernandoMM | Hello, i'm trying to install live-helper following http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/ISO . I have the following sources.list http://pastebin.ca/412341 but i can't find this package. Which server should i add to my sources.list? |
| 17:19.27 | hunterones | bzed, it wont... there's a command that you clear it up and in the next login you cant see the command.... but i was thinking.. if i put "> /root/.bash_history" in the .bashrc it wont appear :D |
| 17:19.37 | bzed | Kobaz: yes |
| 17:19.41 | stew | Kobaz: if you used a debian kernel and got the same problem you could eliminate your kernel compile as the source of the problem |
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| 17:19.49 | moshii | JordiGH: I suppose it'll all work out when shuttleworth stops pumping cash into it. |
| 17:20.16 | Kobaz | bzed: so when people use your software and complain of a bug... you won't help them unless they use your binaries? |
| 17:20.17 | stew | Kobaz: what have you done so far to debug your problem? do you know anything more specific than "nothing ever connects"? |
| 17:20.39 | stew | Kobaz: bzed: you guys can probably safely use /ignore since your conversation isn't going anywhere productive |
| 17:20.39 | bzed | hunterones: export HISTFILE=/dev/null;; rm ~/.bash_history and then logout |
| 17:20.43 | Kobaz | stew: no network traffic, turned on debugging, doesn't even attempt to connect |
| 17:20.44 | moshii | Kobaz: It's funny when people complain.. they should report |
| 17:20.51 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
| 17:20.57 | stew | Kobaz: tcpdump? |
| 17:20.59 | moshii | Kobaz: foss developers owe you "nothing" |
| 17:21.05 | Kobaz | moshii: i agree |
| 17:21.11 | Axehat | bzed: Can't seem to find 2.6.8 or 2.6.16, so it looks like I'm stuck with 2.6.18 :-( |
| 17:21.24 | moshii | Kobaz: you'd complain to redhat ofcourse. :P |
| 17:21.37 | Kobaz | i wouldn't actually, since i don't use their software |
| 17:21.56 | moshii | Kobaz: 'twas a jest |
| 17:21.58 | Kobaz | stew: yes, tcpdump, no network traffic at all from the ipsec tools |
| 17:21.58 | bzed | Kobaz: they either use my binaries (because i build debian packages) o rthey pay me for giving them support NOW. or they file a bugreport and I'll fix it as soon as I can |
| 17:22.21 | \amethyst | They pay more kernel developers than debian does, so in some sense you do :) |
| 17:22.26 | bzed | Axehat: yeah, there's no 2.6.8 in etch. imho you should figure out where the problem is and report it :\ |
| 17:22.30 | Kobaz | bzed: you're in a different position than many foss developers then... paid software |
| 17:22.46 | moshii | Kobaz: The problem with people building their own binaries is that they don't read and do silly things like linking against library version that aren't supported |
| 17:22.57 | Kobaz | i agree |
| 17:23.00 | bzed | Kobaz: not, most stuff I do is nto paid. except the fwe things I do for work |
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| 17:23.10 | moshii | Kobaz: They go around shouting off that your software is "crap". |
| 17:23.24 | bzed | Kobaz: but I don;t knwo any FOSS developer who just jumps up and finds your bug |
| 17:23.35 | bzed | moshii: exactly |
| 17:23.52 | Kobaz | for the majority of foss developers that i've worked with... you have a problem, they ask how you built the source, they ask what platform your on, what environment etc etc, and then a desctiption of the bug |
| 17:23.56 | Axehat | bzed: Yeah, but I still have no X! |
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| 17:24.10 | Kobaz | they don't go say... oh well you compiled from source, sorry |
| 17:24.16 | moshii | some DDs need a kick up the arse though.. |
| 17:24.19 | bzed | Axehat: did you pastebin the log from X? |
| 17:24.40 | Axehat | bzed: Yeah, http://www.copypot.com/2609 |
| 17:24.46 | Axehat | bbl, food... |
| 17:24.54 | Kobaz | bzed: i don't go jumping to find a bug right away either, i find out the setup and how to reproduce the problem first |
| 17:25.05 | moshii | Kobaz: If you compile from source you're expected to give more information when you report bugs and such.. and you're expecte to know where to find that information |
| 17:25.26 | Kobaz | bzed: if someone was familiar with ipsec, and saw my question... they most likely have a repository of experience and will say...well it's not connecting... hey try *this*... |
| 17:25.31 | stew | Kobaz: does /proc/net/pfkey exist? |
| 17:25.32 | bzed | Kobaz: no, but they need a serious bug report, and you didn't even come up with something that shows your bug. you just told that you';ve build racoon and the ipsec tools on your own |
| 17:25.48 | abrotman | stew: do you have any idea how nice it is outside? |
| 17:25.50 | Kobaz | stew: it does |
| 17:25.56 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 17:26.07 | Kobaz | i never said i built racoon on my own |
| 17:26.16 | Kobaz | i actually specifically said i used the debian package for racoon :P |
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| 17:26.23 | DawnLight | during installation from the businesscard and using an ADSL modem set up as a DHCP server, debian tells me that "dhcp was configured succesfully, however no default route was found". windows get uses the dhcp fine. what can i do/ |
| 17:26.26 | stew | abrotman: i will be in amsterdam in less than two days |
| 17:26.34 | moshii | It's just stopped raining here, costa del sol my rear |
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| 17:27.03 | Kobaz | stew, bzed: so, i really don't have much information, other than the config file, the racoon syslog output, etc |
| 17:27.25 | abrotman | stew: i suppose that's a fair trade-off :) |
| 17:28.07 | Kobaz | stew, bzed: the general method I use to get help is... short description of the problem, a shout out to anyone who has experience with the software i'm having problems with... once i get someone to say, "hey I've worked with ipsec"... it turns to a privage msg and more information is exchanged. I find it a very easy, and very efficient method of getting help |
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| 17:28.55 | h3sp4wn | not so efficient for the other person though (I guess) |
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| 17:29.21 | xand | private messages are frowned upon here |
| 17:29.22 | Kobaz | it's efficient both ways |
| 17:29.30 | xand | for several reasons |
| 17:29.34 | bzed | Kobaz: well then as I told you minutes ago, paste that in a pastebin and link it in here |
| 17:30.03 | bzed | Kobaz: there're a lot of people who use/have used ipsec, but that still doesn't mean that they're know about weird_error 2314 |
| 17:30.06 | Kobaz | bzed: yeah i'll do that if you want |
| 17:30.34 | DawnLight | i am having this problem: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/f5f12ad3add2e6af/f9e8e030b598544f?lnk=st&q=dhcp+%22no+default+route%22+installation+group%3Alinux.debian.bugs.dist&rnum=2#f9e8e030b598544f |
| 17:30.54 | Kobaz | bzed: but, what I find, is many people who have used it, who dont know about the specific error, will talk to you anyway because they have experience with it in genera |
| 17:31.08 | xand | you should talk in channel to help other people. |
| 17:31.16 | xand | if everyone talked in PM we wouldn't have a channel |
| 17:31.18 | bzed | Kobaz: well it's the best way to get help. |
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| 17:31.36 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 17:31.37 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 17:31.38 | stew | Kobaz: what are you doing to try to initiate a connection? what shows up in syslog? |
| 17:31.38 | bzed | DawnLight: uh, could you specify the error, that's a damn long thread. |
| 17:31.42 | Kobaz | yeah, i know that, but when you're pasting tons of stuff it helps to not kill the channel |
| 17:31.50 | Kobaz | this whole pastebin thing i never really got into |
| 17:31.51 | Kobaz | heh |
| 17:31.58 | bzed | !tell Kobaz about paste |
| 17:32.06 | bzed | where's the bot |
| 17:32.09 | Kobaz | yes i've read that before |
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| 17:32.12 | bzed | Kobaz: just use pastebin.ca |
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| 17:32.13 | stew | !status |
| 17:32.14 | dpkg | Since Tue Mar 27 11:05:03 2007, there have been 1 modification, 82 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 49 commands. I have been awake for 6h 27m 10s this session, and currently reference 37226 factoids. I'm using about 14024 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 40.33/2.27 child 0/0.02 |
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| 17:32.17 | Kobaz | anyways |
| 17:32.19 | DawnLight | bzed: i get the "no default route was set" message during installation |
| 17:32.23 | ChaosR | can someone please help me with my flashplayer sound problem? |
| 17:32.32 | bzed | DawnLight: which installer are you using? |
| 17:32.35 | Kobaz | syslog just dumps out the standard info about what ports are used where, nothing of interest |
| 17:32.41 | Kobaz | but i'll paste some stuff in a sec |
| 17:32.48 | DawnLight | tried both, bzed |
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| 17:32.51 | abrotman | ChaosR: which flash? |
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| 17:33.01 | bzed | ChaosR: cat /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc please |
| 17:33.01 | kalve | I use Debian and Gnome.. What do you recommend I use for managing wireless networks? |
| 17:33.09 | ChaosR | abrotman: flash player 9 |
| 17:33.14 | bzed | DawnLight: how do you configure your network? |
| 17:33.15 | abrotman | ChaosR: it uses Alsa AFAIK |
| 17:33.29 | h3sp4wn | kalve: /etc/network/interfaces (and wpa_cli if you need to connect for a one off) |
| 17:33.35 | Kobaz | kalve: if your using the built in kernel wireless drivers, i use iwconfig |
| 17:33.41 | ChaosR | bzed: I don't like iceweasel, I hate the name, so I use a separate version of firefox |
| 17:33.43 | DawnLight | bzed: my adsl modem is set as a dhcp server and it works forwindows |
| 17:35.00 | bzed | ChaosR: figure out how and if it configures the use of aoss or any other wrapper then. |
| 17:35.10 | ChaosR | bzed: already tried that |
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| 17:35.12 | bzed | DawnLight: use manual network config then |
| 17:35.26 | bzed | DawnLight: and use the etch installer ;) |
| 17:35.48 | bzed | DawnLight: do you know your ip addresses, the IP address of your router and the name servers? |
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| 17:36.25 | DawnLight | bzed, i get get it from windows i suppose |
| 17:36.31 | bzed | DawnLight: I guess that bug will be fixed in the future, but in the meantime you need to configure your network manually |
| 17:36.43 | bzed | DawnLight: opwn a cmd.exe in windows |
| 17:36.52 | bzed | DawnLight: ipconfig /all shoudl show you all stuff |
| 17:36.56 | bzed | ... I think.... |
| 17:37.00 | ChaosR | bzed: i've tried it again, and it still doesn't work |
| 17:37.03 | bzed | haven't used windows for a too long time |
| 17:37.14 | abrotman | ChaosR: have you tried flash in another browser ? |
| 17:37.22 | \amethyst | DawnLight: err, is is 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 17:37.29 | bzed | ChaosR: try debian's icewaesel |
| 17:37.51 | Artemis3 | oh i love it when debian-installer asks you a question in another console you can't answer |
| 17:37.52 | \amethyst | DawnLight: that's what the bug report you pasted said |
| 17:37.57 | bzed | DawnLight: if ipconfig is missing the default gateway, use 'route print' |
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| 17:38.06 | \amethyst | DawnLight: or was that not your bug report? |
| 17:38.10 | ChaosR | bzed: downloading |
| 17:38.15 | DawnLight | not mine |
| 17:38.21 | abrotman | ipmasq! |
| 17:38.37 | bzed | \amethyst: that's a general bug. I had that problem with some dumb dsl modems, too |
| 17:39.23 | \amethyst | bzed: That they report a router correctly but the debian-installer doesn't see it? |
| 17:39.24 | DawnLight | so manually it is then... thanks bzed and \amethyst |
| 17:39.32 | Thms | is there a wifi pci card which works perfectly with debian without installation ? |
| 17:39.59 | stew | Thms: you'd definately have to install it for it to work :) |
| 17:40.17 | ChaosR | bzed: iceweasel does not make a difference, what could possibly be wrong |
| 17:40.22 | Thms | stew: yes but without have to do something with debian :P |
| 17:40.38 | bzed | \amethyst: I think even dhcp replies correctly - but the reply is ignored |
| 17:40.42 | Kobaz | okay so |
| 17:40.44 | Kobaz | http://www.pastebin.ca/412378 |
| 17:40.51 | Kobaz | server config, client config, server syslog |
| 17:40.56 | Kobaz | lemme add the client syslog |
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| 17:42.28 | Kobaz | stew, bzed: allrightey, if you want to take a look, it's all ready |
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| 17:42.51 | RoundyT1 | I have a question |
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| 17:43.15 | RoundyT1 | What if i can't remember my root password and can't access my other user...what do i need to do? |
| 17:43.27 | cydork | !ifrp |
| 17:43.27 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 17:43.38 | perlmonkey | is it normal to see mdadm show a raid in mdstat to have multiple personalities? like: Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] |
| 17:43.57 | RoundyT1 | cydork, that's to me? |
| 17:44.02 | bzed | perlmonkey: that's what it is able to use |
| 17:44.07 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 17:44.12 | Kobaz | RoundyT1: you need to make a rescue disk, or use knoppix or something.. and mount your system, and change the password |
| 17:44.22 | bzed | Kobaz: no need for that. |
| 17:44.37 | Kobaz | well that's the always-works way |
| 17:44.38 | dkr | RoundyT1: yes |
| 17:44.44 | Kobaz | you could use grub or lilo and do single user mode |
| 17:44.45 | bzed | Kobaz: except you have a password on lilo or grub and have forgotten that, too |
| 17:44.54 | cydork | RoundyT1: yeah. |
| 17:44.57 | bzed | single use mode asks for the root password Kobaz |
| 17:45.05 | RoundyT1 | so with single user mode...what do i do from there? |
| 17:45.06 | RoundyT1 | lol |
| 17:45.06 | Kobaz | bzed: depends on the distro |
| 17:45.13 | dkr | lol |
| 17:45.15 | bzed | since when are you using debian? |
| 17:45.16 | RoundyT1 | its debian ...idk can't tell |
| 17:45.23 | bzed | RoundyT1: do that dpkg said |
| 17:45.30 | Kobaz | bzed: oh right. haha... true... this is the debian channel |
| 17:45.40 | bzed | !tell RoundyT1 about ifrp |
| 17:45.41 | Kobaz | whoops :) |
| 17:45.52 | bzed | Kobaz: are you probably using gentoo? |
| 17:46.03 | bzed | or ubuntu?> |
| 17:46.20 | sdschulze | Years ago, I used OpenMosix with Linux 2.4 and it worked just fine, but OpenMosix doesn't work with Linux 2.6. What SSI do you recommend? OpenSSI? |
| 17:46.21 | dkr | hrm, debian netinst image doesn't have rescue option? |
| 17:46.30 | Ronin | dkr: nope |
| 17:46.37 | Kobaz | bzed: kyle {~} kobaz$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:46.37 | Kobaz | 4.0 |
| 17:46.56 | bzed | sdschulze: that's still alpha or beta |
| 17:46.58 | Kobaz | although that doesn't say much |
| 17:47.04 | bzed | dkr: the etch one has |
| 17:47.04 | Kobaz | but no i'm using plain ole debian |
| 17:47.33 | bzed | Kobaz: hmm, your syslog looks fine imho. what does not work? |
| 17:47.46 | Kobaz | bzed: nothing happens network wise |
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| 17:48.08 | Kobaz | bzed; no new interfaces, no new routes, no key exchanges seem to take place |
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| 17:48.15 | ferik | Hi guys. I have a little problem installing mysqlserver 5.0 on sarge. Anyone has some experience ? |
| 17:48.26 | ferik | it seems to get stuck at: |
| 17:48.26 | ferik | Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.36-1) ... |
| 17:48.26 | ferik | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 17:48.26 | stew | awesome, just checked on a client's production ubuntu box (which is running 6.10), /etc/debian_version says "testing/unstable" |
| 17:48.38 | ferik | with 18 processes running that have to do with mysqld |
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| 17:48.43 | ferik | and seem to do install type stuff |
| 17:49.12 | bzed | ferik: why do you need mysql 5? |
| 17:49.20 | calt | Hi, I have just installed debian and the X wont start. Here is the error I get : |
| 17:49.39 | calt | (WW) I810: No matching Devince section for instance (BUSID PCI:0:2:1) found |
| 17:49.43 | ferik | bzed: cause I wanted to try out zenoss |
| 17:49.45 | calt | (EE) No devices detected |
| 17:49.52 | sdschulze | I have quite an old box that runs most of the time, and the clients by which I log in are usually faster. |
| 17:49.58 | calt | fatal server error // no screens found |
| 17:50.01 | stew | bzed: its the only version in unstable |
| 17:50.28 | stew | oh |
| 17:50.34 | bzed | stew: but ferik said sarge |
| 17:50.35 | bzed | ;) |
| 17:50.48 | ferik | well yeah, I guess I am on unstable |
| 17:50.48 | stew | bzed: yeah, he just doesn't realize he is running unstable not sarge |
| 17:50.49 | ferik | sorry |
| 17:51.08 | ferik | I think it's trying to upgrade my existing dbs and failing |
| 17:51.12 | ferik | or hanging |
| 17:51.21 | ferik | not sure the processes are doing anything |
| 17:51.29 | sdschulze | Kerrighed doesn't look very promising, either. |
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| 17:52.01 | ferik | http://pastebin.ca/412396 |
| 17:52.38 | bzed | ferik: how large are your DBs? |
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| 17:52.56 | ferik | they're tiny. I did a backup before and it's a 3 MB SQL file |
| 17:53.29 | bzed | how did you install the unstable stuff on sarge btw? |
| 17:53.33 | calt | Can anyone give a bit of help? I'm only looking for a "clue" |
| 17:53.41 | stew | ferik: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst and add "set -x" as the second line, then try again, it will tell you exactly what it is doing |
| 17:53.41 | bzed | !tell calt about ask |
| 17:54.04 | stew | ferik: if it is failing running invoke-rc.d, then do the same with /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 17:54.08 | ferik | stew: an interupting ? |
| 17:54.08 | calt | bzed thanks but I did ask my question :( |
| 17:54.15 | stew | ferik: what? |
| 17:54.21 | ferik | stew: I mean, and I cancel the install ? |
| 17:54.26 | bzed | calt: oh sorry, I missed that |
| 17:54.59 | bzed | calt: paste the output of lspci | grep -i vga please |
| 17:55.16 | ferik | stew: so the second line looks like this: |
| 17:55.17 | ferik | . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule set -x |
| 17:55.20 | ferik | right ? |
| 17:55.44 | bzed | ferik: no, add a new line where you enter the set -x |
| 17:55.54 | ferik | oh, ok, before confmodule ? |
| 17:55.55 | stew | ferik: no, add a new line |
| 17:55.59 | calt | i cannot copy paste because im using console mode (since my X wont start) |
| 17:56.11 | bzed | calt: apt-get install gpm |
| 17:56.27 | calt | but it says something like "Intel corp. graphics controller" |
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| 17:56.30 | en1gma | sup all |
| 17:56.31 | bzed | calt: then you can copy and paste. or just type the bus ID of the beginnign of the line |
| 17:56.40 | bzed | calt: that would be enoughj for a start |
| 17:57.29 | bzed | calt: are you using etch or sarge? |
| 17:57.30 | ChaosR | well, does this mean my problem is unsolveable? |
| 17:57.31 | calt | 0000:00:02.0 VGA |
| 17:57.31 | calt | sarge. |
| 17:57.44 | ferik | stew: http://pastebin.ca/412405 |
| 17:58.01 | Axehat | Back |
| 17:58.05 | perlmonkey | can i put a sata hdd into an older PC |
| 17:58.16 | Axehat | bzed: I'm going to reinstall the kernel from Sarge |
| 17:58.16 | en1gma | i have a question (i have had to use kanotix live cd for past few months and a usb stick for a persistent home) because i have fake-raid and cant get it recognized at boot time with other OSs.......what im wondering isnt there a debian live cd or something similar and i can use it along with a usb stick to make a perisstent home too... |
| 17:58.23 | Axehat | bzed: Just until I can get 2.6.18 sorted |
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| 17:58.46 | bzed | Axehat: you should build a new one probably. |
| 17:59.12 | stew | ferik: i'd turn on mysql logging and error logging and check those logfiles |
| 17:59.13 | bzed | Axehat: you can try and poke me next week, I'll be back at work then and I can ask a friend if I can build a kernel on his box |
| 17:59.21 | sophos_ | hello! any1 managed to compile e17 under sarge? I'll give it a try later and wanted to know if u have any tips |
| 17:59.22 | en1gma | anyone know what i mean (i dont want the debian dvd that installs to a hd) i need a debian cd prob that acta like a live cd so i can then put info on my usb stick to tell it where my raid0 is |
| 17:59.28 | perlmonkey | sata controller card will enable sata to go in older PC? |
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| 18:00.11 | bzed | !tell en1gma about live cs |
| 18:00.12 | bzed | !tell en1gma about live cd |
| 18:00.14 | sophos_ | en1gma: damn small linux is a debian derivate and can be installed to usb. does this help you? |
| 18:00.19 | Axehat | bzed: If it puts you out, don't bother, I only tried to get 2.6.18 to get MOL working, but I gave up on MOL a few days ago! It doesn't bother me what version I'm running really... |
| 18:00.28 | Axehat | bzed: But thanks alot anyway ;-) |
| 18:00.40 | bzed | Axehat: no problem at all |
| 18:00.49 | reber | hi. Does anyone know how to configure snort on debian to block ip who did nmap ? |
| 18:00.59 | reber | !tell reber about snort |
| 18:01.01 | en1gma | nah i know dsl i dont want that....i want a full OS that can install to my raid0 but FIRST needs to have something on the usb stick to tell it where the raid0 is |
| 18:01.38 | bzed | en1gma: why do you need to tell your usb stick where a raid is to install somethibng? |
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| 18:02.08 | en1gma | yea because any installer cd dont see the raid0 and i can program the usb stick to tell it where the raid0 is |
| 18:02.16 | en1gma | not program (but md and dmraid) |
| 18:02.35 | bzed | en1gma: you could just open a console in the installer |
| 18:02.43 | bzed | en1gma: and which kind of raid are you using/ |
| 18:02.51 | en1gma | ive tried that before about 6mos ago with debian and it didnt work |
| 18:03.03 | en1gma | Fake-Raid which is nvidia raid |
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| 18:03.20 | bzed | en1gma: try http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:03.32 | bzed | en1gma: afaik does the etch installer support dmraid |
| 18:03.33 | en1gma | md and dmraid work fine in kanotix thats why i came here cause kanotix is based off debian....so me thinking if kanotix can do it then debian prob can too |
| 18:03.36 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: grml has dmraid - you could debootstrap debian from it |
| 18:03.49 | stew | d-i has dmraid afiak |
| 18:04.05 | en1gma | nice |
| 18:04.16 | bzed | en1gma: just give the d-i a try. |
| 18:04.19 | en1gma | thanks (is a debootstrap) basically a live cd? |
| 18:04.29 | h3sp4wn | !debootstrap |
| 18:04.30 | dpkg | i heard debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 18:04.44 | RoundyT1 | its not working --- |
| 18:04.49 | RoundyT1 | the dkpg thing |
| 18:04.50 | sophos_ | en1gma: well, maybe Kanotix payd for the proprietary drivers? don't want to discourage you :D |
| 18:05.03 | en1gma | ok thanks for the info will do some rading (ohhhhhh) |
| 18:05.09 | en1gma | wow i wonder if they did |
| 18:05.17 | h3sp4wn | I doubt very much they did |
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| 18:05.23 | sophos_ | i know that suse does this |
| 18:05.31 | en1gma | yea i heard that too |
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| 18:05.45 | stew | en1gma: try the etch rc2 installer, afaik it supports dmraid |
| 18:05.48 | en1gma | ok i gonna read what you all wrote |
| 18:05.57 | bzed | sophos_: which proprietary drivers? for that nvidia thing? |
| 18:05.59 | stew | en1gma: (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 18:06.04 | en1gma | stew im looking at that right now ;) |
| 18:06.19 | sophos_ | bzed: yeah. just a guess though |
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| 18:06.48 | bzed | sophos_: you don't need proprietary driver for that as it is just a dump software raid. dm-raid will work |
| 18:06.56 | bzed | s/dump/dumb/ |
| 18:06.59 | en1gma | sweet |
| 18:07.09 | archville | Hi. Is it safe to do "apt-get -t experimental gnome-core" to update Gnome in Etch to latest ? |
| 18:07.10 | sophos_ | good to know :) |
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| 18:07.23 | fsniper | hello |
| 18:07.30 | h3sp4wn | archville: Almost certainly no |
| 18:07.40 | archville | Uhmm, why ? |
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| 18:07.49 | h3sp4wn | !experimental |
| 18:07.50 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 18:08.16 | h3sp4wn | archville: How do you know its not built against the xorg that is in experimental ? (I would at least do some reasearch first) |
| 18:08.23 | bzed | archville: are you looking for that last release? |
| 18:08.41 | archville | bzed, yes, i would like to install 2.16 |
| 18:08.46 | archville | but i can wait if it will broke |
| 18:09.09 | bzed | archville: well. it's experimental. it can break tons, or not. |
| 18:09.30 | archville | h3sp4wn, good point, and probably i can't do it with xserver-xorg because it also can me build on another sid packages |
| 18:09.31 | bzed | archville: I'd not use such large things from etch, but YMMV. |
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| 18:09.49 | stew | archville: check the bts for the source package |
| 18:09.52 | bzed | archville: s/etch/experimental/ |
| 18:09.57 | archville | YMMV ? |
| 18:10.11 | bzed | !ymmv |
| 18:10.11 | stew | !ymmv |
| 18:10.12 | dpkg | i heard ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 18:10.20 | archville | :) |
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| 18:11.08 | albacker | which CDs of debian do i need ? |
| 18:11.23 | dkr | just netinst :) |
| 18:11.35 | stew | archville: only the netinst or cd1 if you can get on the internet with a stock debian kernel, if not, /msg dpkg which cd |
| 18:11.41 | stew | albacker: ^^^ |
| 18:11.41 | h3sp4wn | archville: Its a 100 or so packages that make up gnome - Do you want to be running unstable/experimental ? (If you did you would probably have not asked) |
| 18:11.53 | albacker | dkr, is there any package for isntalling all codecs/dvd playing.. etc [like in ubuntu.. :S] |
| 18:12.03 | c00lfon | unstable/experimental? |
| 18:12.04 | dkr | dpkg has throttling? (noticed he only answered once upon double request) that's cool |
| 18:12.16 | karsten | !w32codecs |
| 18:12.59 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 18:12.59 | archville | It seems there is a backport |
| 18:13.00 | karsten | albacker: ^^ |
| 18:13.00 | archville | http://www.inittab.de/blog/backports/20070318_gnome2.16-backport.html |
| 18:13.00 | archville | Dunno it that would be safer anyway |
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| 18:13.01 | albacker | aha OK :) |
| 18:13.01 | ferik | where are the mysql database files stored on debian ? I think I need to wipe my old ones |
| 18:13.01 | albacker | thanks ! |
| 18:13.01 | albacker | ;) |
| 18:13.01 | albacker | peace ! / |
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| 18:13.07 | RoundyT1 | !adduser |
| 18:13.07 | dpkg | [adduser] a program that adds a user to the system. |
| 18:13.10 | stew | ferik: /var/lib/mysql |
| 18:13.12 | karsten | ferik: /var/lib/mysql/ |
| 18:13.12 | dkr | ferik: /var/lib/mysql is the default, I think |
| 18:13.20 | RoundyT1 | lol |
| 18:13.36 | fsniper | Does Martin Pitt come near here? |
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| 18:13.48 | ferik | thanks. Found them |
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| 18:13.53 | RoundyT1 | lol...? how do i add a user...under root? |
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| 18:14.03 | amphi | lol? |
| 18:14.07 | Calt | Hello, I have just installed debian-sarge on a dell laptop. I get an error that says my gdm isn't configured. X wont start. I suspect my video-device of not being detected. "Fatal IO error (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 18:14.21 | RoundyT1 | # adduser <username> passwd <password> ?? |
| 18:14.21 | wuwuwuwuwuwu | Hi, i have a wifi router but my laptop (running debian) connect to another wifi router 3/4 of the time, how to precise to debian to use only my SSID (i use the setting in /etc/network/interfaces to precise the ssid but...) |
| 18:14.25 | stew | fsniper: not here |
| 18:14.30 | dkr | RoundyT1: man adduser |
| 18:14.35 | RoundyT1 | lol k |
| 18:14.38 | aldfkj | does anybody know if dhcp has been fixed for rc2, i couldn't get my internet connection going, is there a setup script i'm missing? |
| 18:14.42 | fsniper | stew: thanks |
| 18:14.49 | sdschulze | RoundyT1: I wouldn't use plaintext passwords. |
| 18:14.50 | karsten | RoundyT1: man adduser |
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| 18:14.59 | Azar | Calt: what kernel is your new sarge installed using? |
| 18:15.18 | Calt | 2.4 |
| 18:15.27 | Calt | it is using kernel 2.4 |
| 18:15.35 | Azar | Calt: not good, upgrade to the 2.6.8 |
| 18:16.03 | bzed | !tell Calt about drxx |
| 18:16.03 | Azar | Calt: apt-cache search kernel-image and look for a 2.6.8 for your cpu arch |
| 18:16.16 | bzed | Calt: your x is also trying to use the wrong pci id. |
| 18:16.25 | Azar | bzed: he is using a 2.4 kernel.................................... |
| 18:16.34 | bzed | Azar: and? |
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| 18:16.49 | RoundyT1 | k.... what about ..... checking processor and ram on the machine? |
| 18:16.50 | Azar | bzed: poor support for his laptop goodies |
| 18:16.57 | RoundyT1 | Bios? |
| 18:17.02 | bzed | Calt: when you're reconfigurig it, you'll be asked to enter your pci ide, either leave the fiel empty, or enter the pci ID which was shown by lspci | grep VGA |
| 18:17.03 | stew | Azar: which goodies? |
| 18:17.21 | stew | Calt: leave busid blank |
| 18:17.21 | Azar | stew: :) whatever his shiny new laptop might have |
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| 18:17.38 | bzed | Calt: if you're using a recent laptop, like core2duo, all I can do is to suggest you to upgrade to etch |
| 18:17.50 | Azar | yess!! etch |
| 18:18.18 | Azar | bzed: tell him about sarge>etch with a 2.4 kernel |
| 18:18.18 | stew | Calt: do you get an error when you run 'startx'? "No screens found"? "No core pointer"? |
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| 18:18.21 | bzed | stew: wrong pci id configured |
| 18:18.29 | bzed | stew: if you scroll up a fwe minutes |
| 18:18.29 | stew | !drxx |
| 18:18.30 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 18:18.42 | stew | Calt: ^^ do that and leave "busid" and amount of memory blank |
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| 18:19.43 | Calt | ok thanks guys. to clarify, my laptop isnt new or shiny :) |
| 18:19.57 | Azar | ah, I see.. |
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| 18:20.16 | RoundyT1 | how can i find out what processor i have ? |
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| 18:20.24 | bzed | RoundyT1: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:20.29 | Calt | should I just download etch, burn it on a CD and just reinstall my laptop? |
| 18:20.36 | stew | Calt: no, why would you? |
| 18:20.41 | Azar | Calt: so all you need is an working X and your video driver set |
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| 18:20.47 | Calt | *shrug* somebody suggested that etch was better |
| 18:20.52 | Calt | yeah |
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| 18:21.00 | Azar | Calt: stew is allways right, follow him |
| 18:21.07 | Calt | lol |
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| 18:21.53 | stew | Calt: well there would be no reason to download it and start over in any case, you could just upgrade what you have. or you could just fix what you have |
| 18:21.54 | stew | Azar: not always, but thanks :) |
| 18:21.54 | karsten | Calt: Reinstalling Debian is generally a sucker's bet. |
| 18:21.54 | Kizzy | A debian or ubuntu by better for notebook?? my notebook is Aristo prestige 1600 |
| 18:21.54 | Azar | stew, well at least most of the times |
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| 18:21.55 | bzed | Kizzy: you're asking in #debian. know our answer? |
| 18:21.55 | RoundyT1 | what are your views on Ubuntu?? |
| 18:21.59 | Azar | RoundyT1: they are ok |
| 18:22.00 | karsten | Calt: There's times when it may be more straightforward than other options, but these are rare, and it's very seldom necessary. |
| 18:22.01 | Virtual | Hello, I have a question, does anybody else have a problem with the sound ? I have everything set to max sound but I am getting considerably very low sound than on winblows |
| 18:22.03 | karsten | RoundyT1: Off topic. |
| 18:22.10 | stew | Kizzy: ubuntu is better for people unfamiliar with linux. we prefer debian |
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| 18:22.19 | bzed | Kizzy: ask in debian, and we'll sya debian, ask ubuntu and they'll say ubuntu. |
| 18:22.31 | RoundyT1 | ubuntu = unsecure? compared to debian? |
| 18:22.35 | aldfkj | what the linux world needs is an enterprise class os that is 100% debian compatible |
| 18:22.38 | stew | RoundyT1: ask #ubuntu |
| 18:22.41 | Azar | bzed: we don't need to get too harsh on those questions |
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| 18:22.49 | perlmonkey | whats the chances of fsck fixing a badly corrupted raid to a userable state? |
| 18:23.04 | bzed | Kizzy: you may need to learn a bit more while using debian, but you'll have times more fun as soon as you're a bit advanced then with ubuntu |
| 18:23.04 | Azar | RoundyT1: you are free to try both and make your own opinion |
| 18:23.05 | stew | aldfkj: such a os exists |
| 18:23.06 | karsten | perlmonkey: 0 <=p<= 1 |
| 18:23.09 | h3sp4wn | Kizzy: If you do have a problem with ubuntu the chances of getting useful help would be alot lower |
| 18:23.20 | aldfkj | stew, what's it called? |
| 18:23.23 | stew | aldfkj: debian |
| 18:23.23 | dkr | aldfkj: debian stable *is* "enterprise class", you can even buy commercial support contracts for it, :) |
| 18:23.25 | perlmonkey | karsten: slim then |
| 18:23.25 | bzed | aldfkj: debian! |
| 18:23.36 | karsten | perlmonkey: That's not what I said. |
| 18:23.45 | Calt | "Select the desired X server driver". What should I put? lspci | grep vga == "Intel Corp Graphics Controller (rev 03)" |
| 18:23.52 | stew | Calt: i810 |
| 18:24.18 | aldfkj | dkr, it's missing all the gui configuration apps that redhat has |
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| 18:24.22 | karsten | perlmonkey: Probabilities (p values) range from zero (none) to 1 (certainty). |
| 18:24.26 | stew | Calt: and if that doesn't work, next time try "vesa" which should ALWAYS work |
| 18:24.35 | perlmonkey | the amount of errors seem to go on forever :( |
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| 18:24.47 | karsten | stew: There's also the undocumented "mastercard" option, for everything else. |
| 18:24.59 | RoundyT1 | cat /prob/cpuinfo didn't work |
| 18:25.05 | bzed | RoundyT1: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:25.09 | dkr | aldfkj: you have a very peculiar definition of "enterprise class" if it requires gui config tools. |
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| 18:25.13 | Kizzy | bzed: i ask in ubuntu and i hear a ubuntu but... meaby other distribution?? |
| 18:25.18 | stew | aldfkj: yes, but that has nothing to do with being an enterprise class os |
| 18:25.27 | perlmonkey | after fsck is it necessary to reboot/remount |
| 18:25.37 | Kizzy | i ask in #linux and they seay that a debian is good |
| 18:25.40 | karsten | perlmonkey: Best bet is backups. If you've got those, then rebuilding the array and restoring would be on order. Otherwise, you're stuck with the tools your RAID and/or filesystem implementation provides you. |
| 18:25.45 | karsten | perlmonkey: No, not necessary. |
| 18:25.45 | bzed | Kizzy: if you liek to have a complete ton of stuff on your computer.. which includes 123141 packages you don't need, go with suse |
| 18:25.46 | aldfkj | stew, ppl like the gui ecspecially if it tells what it's doing |
| 18:25.48 | Kizzy | for notebook |
| 18:25.48 | rahul | dkr: "enterprise class" means "requires a spaceship-sized crew to manage 1,000 machines" |
| 18:25.57 | Artemis3 | Kizzy, try distrowatch ;) |
| 18:26.06 | bzed | Kizzy: especialyl for notebooks i'd not liek to waste my disk space |
| 18:26.07 | perlmonkey | karsten: i cant backup theres too much data :( |
| 18:26.08 | karsten | rahul: enterprise class means shipping with photon torpedos. |
| 18:26.12 | stew | aldfkj: yes. those people should probably not be touching an enterprise class server |
| 18:26.15 | karsten | perlmonkey: Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 18:26.21 | rahul | where spaceship-sized is somewhere between 500 and 1,000 admins |
| 18:26.23 | dkr | rahul: yeah, and scripted configuration you can run for lot sof machiens at once is much better for doing that than some silly clickfest gui |
| 18:26.24 | rahul | karsten: heh |
| 18:26.26 | perlmonkey | karsten: a money problem |
| 18:26.34 | Azar | hello mister rahul :) |
| 18:26.37 | rahul | karsten: hey, that's my line! |
| 18:26.40 | rahul | !penixstrike Azar |
| 18:26.41 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Azar to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:26.44 | rahul | Azar: hello |
| 18:26.46 | Azar | P) |
| 18:26.58 | stew | aldfkj: in any case, if you wanted to provide some gui configuration tools or port tools from redhat, i'm sure your contributions would be appriciated |
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| 18:27.03 | rahul | one eye closed and a penix sticking out of the other one? |
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| 18:27.09 | karsten | perlmonkey: What's worth more? Your data or a backup solution? |
| 18:27.11 | Azar | haha |
| 18:27.22 | bzed | perlmonkey: we backup more than 3TB at work, every night. although we're runnign some EMC shit which is not supposed to break, but even that 150000 EUR box broke down so badly that it was repalced completely |
| 18:27.24 | h3sp4wn | redhat's enterprise kernel I would say is better supported than the kernels in debian stable |
| 18:27.26 | perlmonkey | karsten: if a raid was originally 32k chunk size, and it got created again as 64k, would that corrupt the fs? |
| 18:27.29 | Calt | Question: I have a standard microsoft mouse, USB, with middle-scrollbutton. What mouse port should I choose? (/dev/something) |
| 18:27.35 | aldfkj | i tried 3.1r5 and it configured my networking successfully automaticallly, i'm hoping etch final does the same |
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| 18:27.50 | karsten | bzed: We lost an ESS (?) (IBM raid disk array) at work recently, wasn't pleasent. |
| 18:27.59 | karsten | Calt: usbmouse IIRC. |
| 18:28.13 | perlmonkey | bzed: so my 27GB woes seems pityful by comparison then :P |
| 18:28.15 | Calt | karsten, I dont have that choice |
| 18:28.17 | Virtual | is there anyway to boost the sound because its a lot lower than on winblows? |
| 18:28.18 | stew | Calt: /dev/input/mice / protocol is ExplorerPS/2 |
| 18:28.19 | bzed | aldfkj: err. you're talking about the last release of sarge. what you probably mean is the etch release candidate, which is 4.0-rc2 or so |
| 18:28.28 | ferik | My SQL 5 installation never seems to finish: Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 18:28.37 | ferik | with 20 processes runnign trying to install and bootstrap |
| 18:28.39 | bzed | stew: 2.4 kernels didn't ahve that |
| 18:28.46 | pengwen | why would my debian testing package gnome stop postfix and install exim? |
| 18:28.46 | bzed | stew: ... at least I think |
| 18:28.48 | Azar | Virtual: it might be up to many factors, one of which could be your player application |
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| 18:28.53 | Calt | stew: thanks :) |
| 18:28.56 | karsten | Calt: /dev/input/mice |
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| 18:29.08 | stew | !find mousedev.o sarge |
| 18:29.12 | rahul | bzed: 2.4 had /dev/input/mice |
| 18:29.12 | karsten | perlmonkey: NFC. |
| 18:29.15 | RoundyT1 | what about video card??? where can i find that info |
| 18:29.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mousedev.o' (3 of 8): (/lib/modules/2.4.27-3-k6/kernel/drivers/input/mousedev.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-3-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-3-k7/kernel/drivers/input/mousedev.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-3-686/kernel/drivers/input/mousedev.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686. |
| 18:29.19 | rahul | bzed: 2.4.0 might not have... |
| 18:29.25 | karsten | RoundyT1: lspci | grep VGA |
| 18:29.28 | bzed | rahul: ah ok. clame me then :D |
| 18:29.28 | perlmonkey | karsten: NFC? |
| 18:29.34 | karsten | !nfc |
| 18:29.35 | dpkg | nfc is, like, No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 18:29.49 | Azar | bzed and there is a time when a 2.4 gets to a limitation thing. |
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| 18:29.51 | Virtual | Azar: thank you but I have found the problem, it wasn't the player because I already tried several, it was in fact that the Master volume on the mixer was set to maximum but the PCM was not, now that I tuned that to maximum works fine, thank you! |
| 18:30.05 | Azar | hehe... |
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| 18:30.31 | stew | if only... |
| 18:30.32 | aldfkj | has anybody else expierenced connectivity issues with dhcp and etch? |
| 18:30.37 | Azar | nivanson: no way... there will be other mushrooms errr gadgets popping up |
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| 18:30.49 | stew | badgers? |
| 18:31.11 | Azar | aldfkj: I donot use dhcp but I read on the release notes and errata that some eth0 might be switched |
| 18:31.49 | nivanson | azar, stew: I get the impression that most people having trouble here during installation and or x setup are using sarge. you are probably right though :) |
| 18:32.33 | Azar | nivanson: upgrade or fresh install? |
| 18:32.58 | nivanson | Azar: fresh |
| 18:33.01 | bzed | nivanson: the etch installer and tools are far more advanced then the sarge stuff |
| 18:33.03 | Azar | errr sorry that was for aldfkj |
| 18:33.23 | bzed | nivanson: there're 2 years development time between sarge and etch |
| 18:33.28 | Azar | aldfkj: upgrade or fresh install? |
| 18:33.38 | nivanson | bzed: that was what I was implying :) alot more just works... yeah! great work too |
| 18:33.52 | boris | anyone knows how to load a raid5 ntfs? |
| 18:34.13 | Calt | what should I put for my "monitor's horizontal sync range" ? |
| 18:34.33 | Calt | what would be a "safe" value |
| 18:34.46 | rahul | Calt: whatever the monitor supports |
| 18:34.52 | rahul | Calt: look up the specs |
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| 18:35.13 | Azar | http://wiki.debian.org/Sarge2EtchUpgradeBlackboard <<< info on upgrade |
| 18:35.14 | Calt | im using a generic dell laptop, nothing exceptional |
| 18:35.17 | karsten | Calt: You're very, very unlikely to risk damange, the monitor will simply cut out if the mode is unsupported. |
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| 18:35.42 | bzed | almost impossible to enter wrong values for a tft |
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| 18:35.54 | dIGITALcREATIVE | Holaaaa |
| 18:35.57 | dIGITALcREATIVE | buenas tardes |
| 18:36.01 | stew | !es |
| 18:36.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:36.03 | dIGITALcREATIVE | alguien que me de una mano con DHCP |
| 18:36.07 | xand | !es |
| 18:36.15 | karsten | Calt: Specifying max resolution, 24bpp, and 60Hz refresh (the "medium" option for configuration) should work. |
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| 18:36.41 | stew | or leave it blank and let edid sort it out |
| 18:37.02 | dIGITALcREATIVE | ??? |
| 18:37.02 | dIGITALcREATIVE | HELLO |
| 18:37.10 | dIGITALcREATIVE | I HELP DHCP |
| 18:37.19 | Xenguy | capslock |
| 18:37.20 | dIGITALcREATIVE | i need help with DHCP in debian |
| 18:37.21 | xand | WHAT? |
| 18:37.34 | h3sp4wn | nvidia messes up edid calculations for me (makes everything have a multi colored effect) choses 95x96 dpi when it should be 96x96 |
| 18:37.36 | xand | be more specific |
| 18:37.43 | Xenguy | dIGITALcREATIVE: I think you have our attention =) |
| 18:37.46 | bzed | !tell dIGITALcREATIVE about ask |
| 18:38.10 | dIGITALcREATIVE | i not speak english very good but i try |
| 18:38.18 | bzed | dIGITALcREATIVE: what's your native lanmguage? |
| 18:38.26 | dIGITALcREATIVE | spanish |
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| 18:38.37 | Doat | dIGITALcREATIVE: join #debian-es |
| 18:38.42 | bzed | !br |
| 18:38.42 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:38.46 | concept10 | how does a sysadmin lock down stuff like top and w where I cannot see the running processes of other users? |
| 18:38.51 | pengwen | why would installing gnome stop postfix and install exim? |
| 18:38.51 | rahul | br is not spanish |
| 18:38.54 | Calt | Ok, I have done what you guys have told me to do, I get the same error "No screens found", "No matching device...", "No devices detected", etc... |
| 18:38.54 | xand | bzed: they don't speak spanish in brazil |
| 18:39.09 | dIGITALcREATIVE | my problem is in /etc/bind/db |
| 18:39.09 | xand | brazil => portuguese |
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| 18:39.27 | bzed | xand: yeah, but their IP is registered there :P didn't read the spanish line before |
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| 18:39.48 | Calt | I have left the busid and memory fields empty |
| 18:39.56 | Calt | like I was told to |
| 18:39.56 | bzed | xand: err |
| 18:39.58 | apk | concept10: chmod 700 `which top` |
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| 18:40.05 | bzed | xand: not brazil, stupid me |
| 18:40.09 | xand | bzed: erm, not sure buenos aires is in brazil |
| 18:40.13 | nivanson | Calt: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 18:40.31 | Calt | "No matching device section for instance (BUSID PCI:0:2:1) |
| 18:40.33 | Azar | network devices affected by the upgrade to etch on 4.5.6 Device enumeration reordering here: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-kernelorder |
| 18:40.36 | perlmonkey | soft raid probs |
| 18:40.39 | bzed | xand: I have no clue how I could read buenos aires as brazil, but I did |
| 18:40.48 | DawnLight | bzed i see youre still here. i couldn't configure the network manually. it asks me for the computer's ip but how am i supposed to know that if its dynamic and i am assined a different one every reboot? |
| 18:40.51 | bzed | perlmonkey: again: find somebody who REALLY knows about those things |
| 18:40.52 | Calt | nivanson : xserver-org did not work, i did it with xfree86 |
| 18:40.56 | karsten | concept10: and ps, and realize that all this information is available via /proc or locally compiled/installed versions of pstools |
| 18:41.01 | nivanson | Calt: Aha. Sarge? |
| 18:41.03 | dIGITALcREATIVE | thanks ;) xand |
| 18:41.04 | Calt | yes. |
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| 18:41.08 | perlmonkey | :-/ no-one |
| 18:41.12 | karsten | perlmonkey: You're likely asking in the wrong place. |
| 18:41.17 | bzed | DawnLight: configure your router to give you a fixed one, or just use the one you had in windows the last time |
| 18:41.30 | bzed | DawnLight: I told you how to figure them out there |
| 18:41.47 | AlteKiet | perlmonkey: did you try #linuxfs or #storage on irc.debian.org (OFTC) |
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| 18:41.57 | Calt | should I just install xserver-org instead of using xfree86 ? |
| 18:41.58 | perlmonkey | i will try |
| 18:42.04 | bzed | perlmonkey: as I said before at least try in #storage on OFTC. at least they know where to ask |
| 18:42.06 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 18:42.06 | boris | raid 5 dual boot anyone? |
| 18:42.13 | bzed | Calt: that'll only work on etch |
| 18:42.16 | nivanson | Calt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? You shoul just install etch instead of sarge probably... |
| 18:42.17 | bzed | !anyone |
| 18:42.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:42.19 | Azar | Calt: stay with xserver-xfree86 is ok |
| 18:42.37 | Calt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.45 | Azar | nivanson: he was advised by stew very well on what he needs to do |
| 18:42.50 | nivanson | Calt: i see |
| 18:42.55 | karsten | Calt: Guess what? *You* get to decide. |
| 18:43.04 | nivanson | Azar: roger that. i thought it was about regular home desktop use |
| 18:43.06 | stew | Calt: "grep EE /var/log/XFree86.log" what do you see? "No device detected"? |
| 18:43.17 | Azar | Calt: if you restart all over this discussion with everyone, ofcourse you gonna get all sorts of opinions |
| 18:43.27 | stew | Calt: you haven't touched /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand, have you? |
| 18:43.34 | ferik | what' s my best bet to get mysql 5.0 help on debian ? |
| 18:43.45 | stew | ferik: did you check the mysql logfiles? |
| 18:43.48 | Calt | stew: no |
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| 18:44.10 | Calt | karsten: i am not complaining :) |
| 18:44.15 | stew | Calt: what is the first error that "grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log" spits out? |
| 18:44.20 | ferik | stew: I did, the processes are just stuck here. Trying to reinstall from scratch again |
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| 18:44.43 | concept10 | I wonder will they kick me off this server if I chmod top (or if I even have access to do that) |
| 18:45.04 | Calt | stew: yes, i see "no devices detected". |
| 18:45.27 | bzed | ferik: I still don't know why you even have the idea to isntall something form unstable on sarge. that needs to fail |
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| 18:45.55 | ferik | bzed: well, how else do I get mysql 5.0 on there ? I don't know that I even can go back now |
| 18:45.58 | stew | Calt: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" again, change i810 to vesa, and leave everything else the same |
| 18:46.00 | apk | concept10: Are you root? |
| 18:46.05 | stew | Calt: you left busid blank, right? |
| 18:46.12 | Calt | stew: right. |
| 18:46.13 | bzed | ferik: you have a backup? purge it, install sarge's mysql then |
| 18:46.26 | concept10 | apk, im not root, so I cant do that anyway |
| 18:46.31 | Calt | stew: xserver-xorg isnt installed, i have to use xfree86 |
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| 18:46.37 | stew | bzed: you want him to install sarge's mysql on sid? |
| 18:46.39 | Calt | stew: or maybe install xserver-xorg? |
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| 18:46.45 | apk | concept10: Why are you trying to limit what users can do on a machine that is not yours? |
| 18:46.55 | nivanson | Calt: xorg is not in sarge. |
| 18:46.55 | stew | Calt: oh, sorry, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 18:46.58 | bzed | stew: no, as far as I understood he's using sarge but trying to install ssid's mysql |
| 18:47.06 | Calt | stew: sure. |
| 18:47.09 | rockzman | i have a windows isa server i want to authenticate on it to surf and use msn but it needs a microsoft firewall client does anyone know a solution |
| 18:47.27 | concept10 | apk, im not trying to limit, I am limited. I would like to see what other processes are running on the machine besides my user |
| 18:47.28 | stew | bzed: if he install msyql-server from sid, he now has sid's libc6 at least |
| 18:47.42 | bzed | ferik: cat /etc/debian_version please |
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| 18:47.42 | ferik | stew: I think it's trying to upgrade: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No s |
| 18:47.56 | apk | concept10: `ps aux` doesn't work? |
| 18:48.05 | ferik | bzed: 3.1 |
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| 18:48.23 | stew | ferik: oh, yeah, that is known, see if "old passwords" are mentioned in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian[.gz] |
| 18:48.29 | bzed | ferik: how did you install the mysql-server? by addind unstable to e/tc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:48.35 | concept10 | apk, no, I only see the processes for _my_ user.. not the complete system |
| 18:48.38 | ferik | bzed: yes |
| 18:48.42 | Axehat | bzed: The machine won't boot now, even though I installed the other kernel |
| 18:48.52 | bzed | !tell ferik about sarge->etch |
| 18:48.53 | apk | concept10: That is a neat trick. |
| 18:49.03 | concept10 | apk, so I was wondering how they did that |
| 18:49.04 | bzed | ferik: I think you just decided to upgrade your system ;) |
| 18:49.11 | apk | concept10: Why don't you ask the owner? |
| 18:49.11 | ferik | oh good :) |
| 18:49.13 | Axehat | Just downloading a live CD, then I'll save my files and do a complete reinstall |
| 18:49.20 | bzed | Axehat: what's theerror while booting? |
| 18:49.43 | Axehat | bzed: /boot/vmlinux and /boot/vmlinux.old don't exist |
| 18:49.55 | Axehat | so I don't make it past yaboot |
| 18:50.01 | Axehat | :-\ |
| 18:50.05 | concept10 | apk, the owner is dreamhost.. Im not sure they will tell me that, they may think im trying to hack (which im not), I just want to see what's causing the big loads on one of the servers |
| 18:50.26 | Axehat | bzed: again, it's my own fault, I guess |
| 18:50.28 | simonrvn | Axehat: maybe they're symlinks, that's often the case |
| 18:50.38 | bzed | Axehat: configure your bootloader to use /boot/vmliunz-yourkernelversion isntead of symlinks |
| 18:50.46 | apk | concept10: `chmod 700 /proc` will block users from seeing that, but will also block access to their own process information. |
| 18:51.00 | simonrvn | yaboot groks symlinks, that's not the problem |
| 18:51.01 | Axehat | bzed: how? Live CD? |
| 18:51.19 | bzed | Axehat: boot an old kernel? |
| 18:51.22 | simonrvn | i'm betting on bad symlinks |
| 18:51.24 | Axehat | tryed |
| 18:51.28 | ferik | bzed: how do I do that ? |
| 18:51.32 | bzed | Axehat: yeah, boot a live cd |
| 18:51.42 | bzed | ferik: read what dpkg told ya |
| 18:51.50 | Axehat | bzed: I can load 'Linux' or 'old' neither of which it can see |
| 18:51.58 | apk | concept10: Take a look in /proc, I bet all the process directories are chmod 700. |
| 18:52.01 | stew | concept10: there are kenrel patches which will achieve what you are seeing |
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| 18:52.09 | concept10 | apk, I guess as part of adding users to the machine, they set those permissions that way.. When I first got the account, I could see everything |
| 18:52.18 | bzed | !tell concept10 about grsec |
| 18:52.58 | concept10 | ahh.. yes |
| 18:53.07 | concept10 | thanks bzed, apk, stew |
| 18:53.14 | concept10 | check it out: Linux culligan 2.4.32-grsec+f6b+gr217+nfs+a32+fuse23+tg+++opt+c8+gr2b-v6.194 #1 SMP Tue Jun 6 15:52:09 PDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:53.28 | concept10 | so it has those patches |
| 18:53.29 | simonrvn | holy smokes |
| 18:53.32 | stew | nice version string |
| 18:54.55 | concept10 | yeah, I guess they patch their own kernels, they have a custom repository |
| 18:55.25 | boris | anyone knwos how to load a raid 5 ntfs? |
| 18:55.25 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 18:55.26 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 18:55.56 | stew | boris: is it hardware raid? software raid? fakeraid? |
| 18:56.07 | bzed | concept10: doesn't make sence to run shared hosting without grsec or similar stuff |
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| 18:56.19 | stew | what are the chances it ISN'T fakeraid? any bets? |
| 18:57.04 | simonrvn | very low |
| 18:57.04 | bzed | concept10: especialyl not if you don't want to let your customers know how many accounts are on the machine in reality ;) |
| 18:57.04 | boris | stew: no, it is considered software, it is by the intel chipset, and linux see it as a drive of the right size, but desnt access it |
| 18:57.04 | concept10 | bzed, yeah, I guess not.. Im trying to learn what they do and how they administer the machines |
| 18:57.05 | FlopsyPete | is there such a things as a VNC viewer available that will handle RFB protocol version 3.4, rather than 3.3. It looks like thats what I need to login to my UltraVNC server thats setup for Windows domain authentication |
| 18:57.06 | bzed | stew: I bet uhm... a used piece of tape on it |
| 18:57.25 | simonrvn | bzed: hehe |
| 18:57.29 | concept10 | bzed, the loads averages are _huge_ sometimes |
| 18:57.40 | bzed | concept10: not unusual |
| 18:57.41 | boris | stew: I think fakeraid is the right term |
| 18:57.42 | simonrvn | concept10: what's huge? |
| 18:57.47 | Axehat | bzed: you are probably the most benevolent person I have ever met on IRC ;-) |
| 18:58.06 | bzed | thanks Axehat ;) |
| 18:58.09 | Axehat | welcome... |
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| 18:58.22 | concept10 | simonrvn, in the 80's |
| 18:58.36 | simonrvn | that's all? |
| 18:58.40 | concept10 | heh |
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| 18:58.55 | stew | boris: /msg dpkg dmraid |
| 18:58.56 | concept10 | I never see that on any of my machines... |
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| 18:59.06 | simonrvn | i wish i still had the pic of that gentoo box doing a make world that had a load avg of 400... i've seen my own machines get to 120 |
| 18:59.14 | Axehat | s/probably/definatley |
| 18:59.17 | bzed | concept10: I had my desktop on 370 yesterday :P |
| 18:59.27 | simonrvn | once i sawkernel.org with a load avg of 400+ |
| 18:59.29 | stew | uhh, what happened to our dmraid factioid? |
| 18:59.38 | bzed | simonrvn: yeah, not long ago :) |
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| 18:59.47 | boris | !dmraid |
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| 19:00.01 | concept10 | well, I guess my machines need more work. |
| 19:00.05 | bzed | !ping |
| 19:00.05 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:00.12 | archville | Is cedega faster than Wine ? |
| 19:00.20 | trelane` | archville, no |
| 19:00.20 | bubbles | pang |
| 19:00.21 | boris | stew: it got nothing, I think other spelling...? |
| 19:00.26 | ferik | bzed: I think I need to back everything up first |
| 19:00.39 | simonrvn | concept10: yeh we're bragging, but no, load avg is nice when low ;) |
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| 19:00.54 | archville | trelane`, then is it better in any other way ? |
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| 19:01.08 | trelane` | archville, extended directx support, it's also non-free, and non-supported :) |
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| 19:01.17 | concept10 | simonrvn, yeah, i know. but running games or compiling the kernel never gets that high on my system. |
| 19:01.27 | archville | ok, thanks anyway |
| 19:01.35 | simonrvn | yeh, same here |
| 19:01.40 | trelane` | archville, use wine |
| 19:01.42 | concept10 | im wondering how much abuse a sarge system can take before it goes down |
| 19:01.43 | trelane` | it's free (TM) |
| 19:01.44 | stew | boris: no, it's gone missing, apt-get install dmraid ; read /usr/share/doc/dmraid |
| 19:01.55 | trelane` | concept10, drop it in a lake while running :) |
| 19:02.02 | simonrvn | most i've seen was 6, but i was also running a package update too, during a kernel compile |
| 19:02.06 | archville | I already use it, just checking alternatives |
| 19:02.07 | boris | ok |
| 19:02.20 | archville | i though cedega was free if installed from sources |
| 19:02.27 | archville | *thought |
| 19:02.31 | trelane` | archville, I don't think the sources are getting out anymore |
| 19:02.39 | trelane` | or it's sources for subscribers only |
| 19:02.43 | trelane` | wine wasnt GPL |
| 19:02.45 | simonrvn | xchat windows is, dunno about cedega |
| 19:03.34 | bzed | wine is under GPL afaik |
| 19:03.38 | concept10 | i try to learn something everyday, but linux/unix is too big.. no one can possibly learn it all or even half of it |
| 19:03.40 | Axehat | !ping |
| 19:03.41 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:03.48 | bzed | and you get the cedega sources because of that |
| 19:03.59 | bzed | except of the extra programs they may have written |
| 19:04.07 | trelane` | bzed, it is now, it wasn't then |
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| 19:04.16 | bzed | trelane`: hmm? |
| 19:04.25 | trelane` | wine |
| 19:04.29 | trelane` | it had it's own license, bsd like if I recall. |
| 19:04.34 | simonrvn | concept10: one can try ;p |
| 19:04.38 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:04.48 | trelane` | concept10, what about linus? |
| 19:04.56 | trelane` | there are plenty that know plenty about it |
| 19:04.58 | bzed | trelane`: wine was always under LGPL |
| 19:05.07 | bzed | trelane`: but cedega tries to hide the svn download |
| 19:05.11 | trelane` | odd, I recall a license fight a few years back because of cedega |
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| 19:05.33 | simonrvn | one learns what's needed... the rest you'll either pick up eventually or you won't ever... also you got your likes and dislikes too, that plays a part |
| 19:05.34 | bzed | trelane`: afaik because they didn't want to share theirr stuff |
| 19:05.37 | concept10 | trelane`, im not sure linus knows it all. He probably doesnt know the full kernel and that's just one part of the system |
| 19:06.07 | bzed | concept10: I'm pretty sure linus knows not every line of code, but he definitely knows how things work |
| 19:06.11 | simonrvn | the kernel is much more than what linus started it from, now |
| 19:06.12 | trelane` | concept10, I'm betting he does, between the kids, the mercedes, the house in the mountains and the trophy wife, he's got tons of free time |
| 19:06.12 | h3sp4wn | bzed: wine was not always LGPL hence why cedega exists |
| 19:06.21 | h3sp4wn | bzed: and crossover office |
| 19:06.35 | bzed | uh? |
| 19:06.41 | simonrvn | that cushy job... |
| 19:06.47 | bzed | they built commercial stuff around wine |
| 19:06.56 | concept10 | trelane`, he doesnt review every line of code that goes into the kernel... it will never get released if he had to do that |
| 19:07.04 | h3sp4wn | bzed: But wine used to have a less restrictive license |
| 19:07.23 | h3sp4wn | bzed: If you change any lgpl'ed library you still have to release the modifications |
| 19:07.37 | simonrvn | concept10: not anymore |
| 19:07.47 | trelane` | concept10, he did until recently |
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| 19:07.52 | h3sp4wn | bzed: Its just you can link against them without the other becoming gpl |
| 19:08.05 | bzed | h3sp4wn: ah yeah, that was back in 2002, that's why I dont; remember it anymore |
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| 19:08.24 | bzed | h3sp4wn: imho moving to lgpl was a good thing |
| 19:08.36 | bzed | stupid cedega is still trying to hide their gpl based code |
| 19:09.14 | kombi | what is good to load balance a busy web server? mod_proxy_balancer? |
| 19:09.19 | Azar | "We cannot predict it today, but during lifetime of etch the Debian Security Team may come to a point where supporting Mozilla products is no longer feasible and announce the end of security support for Mozilla products..." |
| 19:09.27 | reber | bzed, what code of yours did you made available for everyone ? |
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| 19:10.50 | asdzx | hi |
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| 19:10.50 | asdzx | aptitude don't wants to 'hold' my packages |
| 19:10.50 | bzed | reber: all, except of firewalls |
| 19:10.50 | asdzx | i mark them as 'hold' and it still wants to upgrade them |
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| 19:11.03 | Azar | asdzx: as the version of your packages might be obsolete.. |
| 19:11.16 | asdzx | they are not |
| 19:11.18 | reber | bzed, any links of your work ? |
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| 19:11.29 | Azar | asdzx: sez who? |
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| 19:11.46 | asdzx | Azar anyway, i want to _not_ upgrade or remove them |
| 19:11.47 | bzed | reber: saerch in gosa's svn for my name for example |
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| 19:11.59 | Azar | asdzx: unmarkauto |
| 19:12.03 | asdzx | and i really mean it :) how can i tell it to aptitude ? |
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| 19:12.21 | EduardoMessi | ALGUIEN SABE QUE QUIERE DECIR ESTO ? shut the fuck up <== ??? |
| 19:12.22 | Azar | aptitude unmarkauto mypackage1 mypackage2.. |
| 19:12.45 | concept10 | EduardoMessi, no, its STFU |
| 19:12.53 | stew | !es |
| 19:12.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:12.54 | Azar | EduardoMessi: we do not speak spanish |
| 19:12.59 | EduardoMessi | concept10 :S |
| 19:13.26 | EduardoMessi | i want know what mean it " STFU " ? |
| 19:13.28 | xand | my cousin xor! |
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| 19:13.32 | asdzx | Azar it doesn't helps |
| 19:13.48 | asdzx | it still wants to upgrade them :/ |
| 19:13.57 | Azar | asdzx: if unmarkauto does not work, please report it to the bugreport, it did not worked for me either |
| 19:14.00 | simonrvn | EduardoMessi: means be quiet, but more emphatic |
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| 19:14.13 | simonrvn | like "BE QUIET!!!!!!" |
| 19:14.15 | bzed | reber: I don't code much, though. there's be a webdave plugin for dokuwiki from me and a friend soon, and I'll release a daemon to manage quotas and configs with gosa soon. |
| 19:14.21 | bzed | s/dave/dav/ |
| 19:14.26 | asdzx | aptitude really sucks :( it's doing what _it_ wants.. |
| 19:14.29 | bzed | &there'll |
| 19:14.36 | yang | How does /etc/passwd gets changed to use in combination with /etc/shadow with crypted passwords - now they are visible |
| 19:14.46 | Azar | asdzx: look in /usr/share/aptitude/README file and get the mail addy of aptitude maintainer, he will get back to you |
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| 19:15.27 | Azar | asdzx: aptitude is the sanitizer of your system, if it thinks is riddled with bad packages will want to remove them |
| 19:15.39 | HAHAHA | 0 0 * * 0 in crontab mean every sunday? |
| 19:15.47 | Daveman | I am not webdave! |
| 19:16.09 | bzed | Daveman: that was supposed to be webdav :P |
| 19:16.13 | nvz | ircdave |
| 19:16.16 | bzed | HAHAHA: yes |
| 19:16.22 | Daveman | ;) |
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| 19:16.34 | HAHAHA | <bzed>: tat weird.. it doesnt work for me. |
| 19:16.56 | nvz | well its not sunday for one thing ;) |
| 19:16.57 | christopherl | do you think I can get this Bluetooth set to work on my Debian? http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2158,CONTENTID=10777 |
| 19:17.08 | Azar | it feels like, nvz |
| 19:17.16 | anapivirtua | Bonsoir tout le monde / Good evening all |
| 19:17.17 | christopherl | what you all think? |
| 19:17.20 | nvz | dpkg, permasunday? |
| 19:17.21 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 19:17.32 | dustybin | does mailx use exim4 to send mail on debian etch? |
| 19:17.34 | Azar | --this is a test for the sunday environment -- |
| 19:17.59 | asdzx | Azar i aslo can't find the meanings of flag 'A' in docs, can you give me a hint pls ? |
| 19:18.00 | Azar | :) |
| 19:18.00 | bzed | dustybin: I guess it's using /usr/lib/sendmail, which is provided by all mailer-daemons |
| 19:18.08 | dustybin | ok thanks |
| 19:18.13 | bzed | dustybin: or at least all mailer daemons I know |
| 19:18.31 | jelly | dustybin: it uses whatever mta you have installed... that means exim4 by default, yes |
| 19:18.32 | dustybin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2007-03-27 20:06 sendmail -> ../sbin/exim4 |
| 19:18.33 | Azar | asdzx: I am really not a guru on that matter, write Daniel Burrows, I assure you he will help you one-on-one |
| 19:18.40 | dustybin | aye so it is :-) |
| 19:19.13 | jelly | bzed: btw, fwiw, it's /usr/sbin/sendmail on Debian |
| 19:19.18 | Azar | asdzx: write on the subject line: unmarkauto is not working |
| 19:19.44 | dustybin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2007-03-27 20:06 sendmail -> exim4 |
| 19:20.20 | dustybin | the reason i asked is because i need to point exim4 at my postfix server on another box |
| 19:20.22 | Azar | asdzx: just curious: why not let aptitude remove those packages then reinstall them back using aptitude ? if you installed those packages using apt-get , aptitude does not see them |
| 19:20.34 | xand | dustybin: specify smarthost |
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| 19:21.05 | Azar | asdzx: AHA! unmarkauto does not work on packages that have not beein installed using aptitude! |
| 19:21.22 | dustybin | xand: hopefully that will be inside here: exim4.conf.template |
| 19:21.34 | xand | dustybin: I'd do it with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config c.c |
| 19:21.43 | dustybin | aye ok :) |
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| 19:22.56 | yang | Does somewhere exists a program which can calculate working hours - example if someone works from 8:55 - 17:15 how many hours are that over a 8h working time |
| 19:23.18 | bzed | jelly: oh, i stand corrected. I'm toooo much used to /usr/lib/sendmail since I was a solaris admin |
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| 19:23.40 | bzed | jelly: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2007-02-01 09:35 /usr/lib/sendmail -> ../sbin/exim4 |
| 19:23.41 | bzed | ;) |
| 19:23.44 | jelly | bzed: I know where you're cominfrom |
| 19:23.46 | Azar | yang: a simple spreadsheet can be fed with formulas calculating on a 60min units for one hour |
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| 19:24.05 | xand | yang: yes... write a script to do it or something |
| 19:24.19 | yang | Azar: well, the spreadsheat should contain some form...I am not a programmer so I cant do such script |
| 19:24.35 | jelly | bzed: hehe, when we had ported dpkg and apt to Solaris we had /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /usr/lib/sendmail ;-) |
| 19:24.56 | Azar | if.... 60 min=1 hour .... ?x hrs for (60*7)+15 ? |
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| 19:25.14 | jelly | Azar: 7.25? |
| 19:25.21 | Azar | yang: you do not need to be a programmer to use a regular openoffice calc spreadsheet |
| 19:25.45 | yang | Azar: Could you create such a template, that would be nice? |
| 19:25.47 | DawnLight | hello |
| 19:26.13 | Azar | is just math: use the calc button or do +60*7 |
| 19:26.25 | jelly | Azar: can you do markauto/unmarkauto to make it be handled by aptitude? |
| 19:26.31 | yang | Azar: i never even used a oo calc |
| 19:26.35 | Azar | yang: get any accountant you have hands on to do that for you |
| 19:27.13 | yang | Azar: the thing is, that it should allow monthly sum of all days, and at the end the calculation around 8h working time |
| 19:27.29 | Azar | jelly: I guess reading the README doc will reveal more secrets /usr/share/aptitude/README |
| 19:27.33 | yang | Azar: quite complicated |
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| 19:27.56 | jelly | Azar: reading the docs? Blasphemy! |
| 19:28.00 | DawnLight | i have an ADSL modem. DHCP during installation from businesscard doesn't work for me, so i've configured the modem to act as bridge and as i understand it, i need to somehow configure the installer to connect using PPPoE. is that possible? |
| 19:28.06 | karsten | yang: I don't think you're specifying your requirements clearly enough here. Still should be trivial on any spreadsheet. |
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| 19:28.40 | Azar | yang: is quite simple when you use a spreadsheet. allocate one row for each person with an punch-in/punch-out time, will automatically calculate total minutes then translate them in yours+min |
| 19:28.57 | Azar | s/hours+min |
| 19:28.58 | yang | karsten: some sort of formula needs to be implemented into the template, but i don't know of the procedure |
| 19:29.03 | enouf | karsten: by any chance .. are you the machineroom karsten? |
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| 19:29.14 | Azar | then once you got it right copy formula to all cells |
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| 19:29.48 | ProN00b | uuhm, is sarge still oficial stable ? |
| 19:29.54 | enouf | yep |
| 19:29.55 | yang | Azar: do you mind the query |
| 19:30.06 | Azar | yang: ok |
| 19:30.11 | ProN00b | release date of etch stable ? |
| 19:30.17 | enouf | soon! |
| 19:30.18 | bzed | jelly: haha :D |
| 19:30.23 | bzed | !wwer |
| 19:30.24 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00012.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 19:30.37 | bzed | ProN00b: but probably in 1-2 weeks |
| 19:30.52 | ProN00b | ok |
| 19:30.52 | Azar | yang: if your nick is not registered, I can't see any query from you |
| 19:30.57 | enouf | karsten: it doesn't matter if you are .. forget it |
| 19:31.19 | enouf | !spank ProN00b |
| 19:31.33 | ProN00b | hmm, can i get a vmware image of sarge somewhere or is downloading the iso recommended ? |
| 19:31.45 | bzed | !tell ProN00b about live cd |
| 19:31.50 | DawnLight | bzed, i've reconfigured the modem to act as a bridge |
| 19:31.50 | ProN00b | how the hell does it classify me as "her" ? |
| 19:31.52 | enouf | d/l the r5 |
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| 19:32.07 | ProN00b | bzed, not a live cd, a hd image |
| 19:32.08 | bzed | DawnLight: is it a cable or dsl modem? |
| 19:32.15 | DawnLight | adsl, bzed |
| 19:32.24 | bzed | DawnLight: you need to use pppoe then |
| 19:32.42 | DawnLight | yes, that's what i do in windows bzed |
| 19:32.55 | enouf | DawnLight: I've seen you complain for days .. your ISP sucks and your modem sucks .. get a router |
| 19:33.17 | bzed | ProN00b: I don't know any. but just use the etch installer and install it |
| 19:33.47 | ProN00b | bzed, sarge |
| 19:34.02 | DawnLight | debian has a bug and can't do dhcp correctly with this modem, enouf |
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| 19:34.05 | enouf | DawnLight: not quite dear-ey |
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| 19:34.48 | enouf | as I said your modem sucks ass .. likely a combo modem/router .. which == a POS |
| 19:34.56 | DawnLight | i'll be glad to be proven wrong, and be able to install my debian, enouf |
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| 19:35.15 | enouf | if you buy some decent hardware .. yes |
| 19:35.26 | bzed | DawnLight: get sometyhing that's able to run openwrt ;) |
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| 19:36.03 | enouf | DawnLight: do you enjoy supporting crap? |
| 19:36.17 | enouf | DawnLight: complain .. where necessary ;-) |
| 19:36.27 | enouf | vote with your wallet |
| 19:36.59 | enouf | .. or pocketbook ;-) |
| 19:37.02 | DawnLight | enouf, this modem was given to me by the isp. anyway, can i configure pppoe in the installation? |
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| 19:37.57 | enouf | DawnLight: I don't usee pppoe .. it sucks raw ass .. and even if i did use it, I wouldn't use an ISPs implemetation of it |
| 19:38.01 | bzed | DawnLight: any ISPs gives out shit modems because they're cheap. use it in bridging mdoe with a good router or directly with linux and it's fine |
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| 19:38.26 | bzed | DawnLight: but the etch installer supports pppoe |
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| 19:38.53 | anferva_lap | hi |
| 19:39.01 | petemc | the businesscard installer doesnt |
| 19:39.04 | anferva_lap | how often youneed to d-u etch? |
| 19:39.22 | petemc | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#head-5a523e8e63ffeee84d8607285d6a96538fa59ace |
| 19:39.29 | enouf | there was a "hint:" I gave you a few replies back .. and it has to do with a "router" .. not some cheapass POS modem/router combo junk |
| 19:40.07 | anferva_lap | pst enouf |
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| 19:40.47 | hark | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds05.html |
| 19:40.58 | enouf | wwallace_lap .. go away .. I'm not in the mood.. or can't you tell |
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| 19:41.32 | enouf | anferva_lap: your question makes no sense |
| 19:41.38 | ProN00b | hmm, is this #ubuntu ? |
| 19:41.53 | enouf | !spank ProN00b again |
| 19:42.00 | ProN00b | lulz |
| 19:42.35 | enouf | anferva_lap: wtf is d-u ? |
| 19:42.38 | McGee | Hi, ho can i attach a scsi device to a /dev/* file at runtime? |
| 19:42.47 | rahul | !penixstrike ProN00b |
| 19:42.48 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ProN00b to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:42.49 | enouf | udev rules |
| 19:42.54 | rahul | McGee: scsiadd |
| 19:43.02 | enouf | !hug rahul |
| 19:43.06 | boris | what is the name of that file in which the hard disks mount points are listed? I ahve forgot the name |
| 19:43.18 | rahul | boris: /etc/fstab /proc/mounts |
| 19:43.19 | enouf | it's called /etc/fstab |
| 19:43.22 | wols_ | boris: man fstab |
| 19:43.24 | trelly | mtab |
| 19:43.27 | boris | thanks |
| 19:43.30 | enouf | or /etc/mtab |
| 19:43.33 | rahul | depending on which meaning of "is" you're talking about |
| 19:43.58 | enouf | cat /proc/mounts is always the most reliable BUMBACL0T |
| 19:44.04 | enouf | boris: |
| 19:44.22 | trelly | df |
| 19:44.40 | enouf | there's a nice twist |
| 19:45.38 | anferva_lap | unbelieveble the way some people change when they are in #debian |
| 19:46.07 | amphi | anferva_lap: what brought on this bout of incredulity? |
| 19:46.17 | anferva_lap | hi amphi |
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| 19:47.48 | enouf | anferva_lap: I'm all business inhere .. unless you are a regular .. if you're not a reg, you're not serious , so f-off .. |
| 19:47.50 | hark | dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:50.13 | loesh|home | sheepish reply: gifve mojito! |
| 19:50.25 | amphi | sanitoeteR: a vast improvement |
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| 19:50.49 | enouf | heh |
| 19:51.12 | Azar | hahaha this is a good billboard sign: The Futility of trying to fit square Windows users into round Linux holes. |
| 19:51.31 | mfrisch | enouf: they just released a million dollar laptop in Eng. |
| 19:51.38 | Azar | welcome back mfrisch |
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| 19:51.51 | enouf | mfrisch: who's they? |
| 19:52.00 | mfrisch | Azar: hello |
| 19:53.02 | mfrisch | enouf: forget. It had diamonds and a 120g solid state drive. |
| 19:53.59 | McGee | rahul, hm scsiadd is usefull but it does not solve my problem... I have a device that dropped dead while running. Now its running again but the /dev/sg5 file can not be opened. |
| 19:54.22 | mfrisch | enouf: http://www.mobilewhack.com/million-dollar-laptop-pt2/ |
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| 19:54.56 | trelly | yawn - even slashdot had it weeks ago |
| 19:55.36 | mfrisch | trelly: I don't think its an advancement to offer a mil dollar laptop |
| 19:55.52 | trelly | a $23 laptop that is an advancement |
| 19:55.54 | rahul | McGee: oh, you might have a locked up driver |
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| 19:57.09 | trelly | oh wait - that is what my p166 dell cost me |
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| 19:57.19 | McGee | rahul, yes, thats inded how it looks. But kernel says: "aic7xxx_dev_reset returns 0x2003 (\n) Recovery SCB completes". How can i restart the driver? |
| 19:57.39 | mfrisch | trelly: and all it has that any 2 thousand dollar has is the solid state drive. |
| 19:57.40 | Azar | o/t for a chuckle: http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=no_really_ubuntu_is_not_linux_try_it_on&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 |
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| 19:58.22 | McGee | rahul, Other scsi devs on the same bus still talk to me... |
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| 19:59.19 | rahul | McGee: maybe you need to scsidel first? |
| 19:59.29 | rahul | er or um |
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| 19:59.59 | rahul | McGee: maybe the scsiadd put it on a different dev node. I use devfs so I don't deal with these issues... |
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| 20:03.21 | groogs | So i was just trying to think of ways to run an embedded system off compact flash, and came up with a what is probably a crazy idea.. running the OS off a read-only CF IDE card, and storing the configuration/logging database (sqlite) on a RAID1 array across two USB sticks |
| 20:04.25 | groogs | is that even feasable? the idea is just to have a working system all the time, and the nice part about using the USB sticks is being able to pop them into a replacement system if the hardware dies |
| 20:05.02 | groogs | i'd write scripts so if you pulled out the usb stick, and put a new blank one in, it would format it and add it to the array |
| 20:05.11 | mfrisch | groogs: does it work? |
| 20:05.13 | boris | say if I use 'dmraid -ay' to activate an NTFS fakeraid 5, is it possible that it would damage the raid disks content? |
| 20:05.29 | will | do remember that flash drives have a limited number of writes before they die |
| 20:05.34 | groogs | mfrisch: i dunno, i just figured i'd ask here before i go get a couple drives to try |
| 20:05.49 | groogs | will: yeah, that was one reason i was thinking using two .. it's easy to periodically replace one |
| 20:06.10 | will | groogs: Gotcha |
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| 20:06.25 | mfrisch | groogs: what is it a pda or something else? |
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| 20:06.41 | groogs | mfrisch: no, a system to do data logging |
| 20:07.21 | groogs | it would be nice to have no moving parts (eg, no hard drive) |
| 20:07.46 | mfrisch | groogs: how much do you want to spend on this? |
| 20:07.47 | groogs | but running a database on flash disks doesn't seem like a good idea |
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| 20:07.49 | BlueParrot | groogs: have a look at the mini itx boards |
| 20:07.56 | groogs | BlueParrot: yeah, thats what i use now |
| 20:08.03 | BlueParrot | ahhhh |
| 20:08.08 | trelly | dilithium crystal based fans |
| 20:08.32 | groogs | mfrisch: thats not a huge concern really |
| 20:08.41 | BlueParrot | pffft, fans... real men don't need fans :P |
| 20:09.12 | groogs | right now i have miniitx, with an IDE drive in a little case, and two case fans (mostly because of the HD) |
| 20:09.53 | mfrisch | groogs: so get a solid state harddrive. A flash isn't going to last long enough to be worth it. it could die..run out of space..etc |
| 20:10.55 | groogs | mfrisch: ok, whats the difference between SSD and flash? |
| 20:10.56 | BlueParrot | groogs: you could netboot it and use nfs ... |
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| 20:10.56 | groogs | BlueParrot: gotta be standalone |
| 20:10.56 | McGee | rahul, is /dev/scsi/sgh3-0c0i6l0 a devfs thing ? |
| 20:10.56 | \amethyst | SSD is more general |
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| 20:10.56 | BlueParrot | ahh, ok |
| 20:10.57 | groogs | \amethyst: does it not use flash? |
| 20:11.03 | BlueParrot | groogs: so just stick a whole lot of RAM in it and never turn it off :P |
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| 20:11.05 | \amethyst | could be flash or sdram + battery |
| 20:11.16 | sprink | is it just me or does the version of firefox that comes with sarge always free? |
| 20:11.19 | sprink | freeze* |
| 20:11.19 | \amethyst | or other kinds of nvram |
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| 20:11.47 | Azar | heh nice gadget: http://debaday.debian.net/2007/03/25/figlet-a-totally-useless-therefore-essential-tool/ |
| 20:11.50 | \amethyst | I should say, sdram + battery + refresh circuit |
| 20:11.53 | trelly | sprink - reseat your memory and run memtest before blaming the firefox gods :) |
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| 20:12.31 | mfrisch | sprink: but the firefox in sarge is not great. |
| 20:12.48 | rahul | McGee: hell no |
| 20:12.52 | Azar | mfrisch: did you read on some release notes that etch might stop supporting mozilla at some time? |
| 20:13.06 | sprink | trelly: if memory was the problem don't you think I would have problems with other applications? |
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| 20:13.21 | mfrisch | Azar: I though they were going the ice* route? |
| 20:13.31 | trelly | duh - maybe they don't use the memory that firefox does - eh |
| 20:13.32 | Azar | I will totally move to debian substitute for firefox |
| 20:13.33 | WaREX | I have a null-modem connected from my debiansarge-laptop on ttyS0 to a windows xp. I have executed /sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 but i cant to connect to Linux using Hyperterminal. Any ideas? |
| 20:13.34 | archville | What's faster initng, runit, sysvinit, upstart ? |
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| 20:14.09 | mfrisch | Azar: I like konqueror. I need mozilla to get on some sites. |
| 20:14.13 | Azar | ... because I do not like to become addicted to a non-debian application |
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| 20:14.37 | McGee | rahul, hehe, just a guess. |
| 20:14.37 | trelly | besides apt - name a debian application |
| 20:14.43 | Azar | mfrisch: at least I know that debian applications will be developed and supported along with new releases |
| 20:15.25 | Azar | trelly: some of them are presented here: http://debaday.debian.net/ |
| 20:15.26 | mfrisch | trelly: make-kpkg make-jpkg debootrap dpkg there are many. |
| 20:15.30 | McGee | rahul, i found my fix: echo "scsi [add|remove]-single-device 3 0 6 0">/proc/scsi/scsi |
| 20:15.52 | Axehat_ | bzed: This isn't good, I rebooted the machine and I can't load either the Linux kernel or the old kernel, I can load /booy/vmlinux-2.6.8-3-powerpc, but it can't food the root device, so I've tried specifying 'hda' through 'hda7' in Yaboot, but no dice... |
| 20:15.53 | Azar | trelly: also check the debian packages lists |
| 20:15.58 | trelly | those are scripts no |
| 20:16.23 | Axehat_ | bzed: I'm going to have to use a live CD (or something similar) to get my data before reinstalling it all |
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| 20:16.54 | rahul | McGee: ah, that's the fancy way :) |
| 20:17.05 | \amethyst | trelly: aptitude search '!~V-!~V<' should give you the debian-native packages |
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| 20:17.27 | Azar | trelly? scripts? |
| 20:17.36 | pstickne | has anyone used socat and unix-connect? it's like I always get dropped... |
| 20:17.41 | \amethyst | not all of them are applications, of course. |
| 20:17.53 | will | ? |
| 20:18.08 | mfrisch | \amethyst: its not how big you are its what you can do with it! |
| 20:18.13 | boris | ERROR: device-mapper target type "raid45" not in kernel |
| 20:18.17 | \amethyst | I guess adding !~v helps too |
| 20:18.25 | boris | hi I got this from dmraid -ay |
| 20:18.31 | Azar | trelly: http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 20:18.36 | boris | anyone knows this eror? |
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| 20:18.50 | Azar | boris: kernel version? |
| 20:19.05 | mfrisch | boris: well I have never heard of raid45? |
| 20:19.28 | Azar | mfrisch: maybe is made in the old secret siberian labs |
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| 20:19.52 | boris | Azar .18 |
| 20:19.57 | mfrisch | Azar: 45 650mb disks running strong |
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| 20:20.05 | Azar | boris: .18 is not enough, give it all |
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| 20:20.15 | Azar | boris: uname -r |
| 20:20.30 | \amethyst | boris: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411172 |
| 20:20.42 | boris | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:20.43 | Azar | mfrisch: btw is for real: siberia to become the silicone valley rival |
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| 20:21.32 | mfrisch | Azar: scary! everyone says that |
| 20:21.35 | archville | Another one. I've installed just gnome-core and the Administration menu has no entrys ¿ How can i get a list of what would be installed there if i used "apt-get iinstall gnome" instead ? |
| 20:21.36 | Azar | boris: thanks... hmm now let's see what raid45 means (sounds like a jeans label) |
| 20:21.41 | sprink | is there anyway to use apt-get build-dep <actual-package-file.deb> |
| 20:21.48 | sprink | or something similiar |
| 20:22.00 | \amethyst | raid45 is a kernel module |
| 20:22.09 | \amethyst | the module it needs is now named raid456 |
| 20:22.27 | \amethyst | what happens if you manually modprobe raid456 ? |
| 20:22.28 | Azar | aha, etch's kernel renames modules |
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| 20:22.56 | \amethyst | No, the kernel developers replaced one with another |
| 20:23.00 | \amethyst | AFAIK |
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| 20:23.02 | kiba | hmmm |
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| 20:23.13 | Azar | \amethyst: right, I just mis-worded it |
| 20:23.18 | boris | modprob didn't help, same error |
| 20:23.24 | kiba | I sucks at mounting hard drive |
| 20:24.34 | \amethyst | boris: it sounds like dmraid needs to be patched. |
| 20:25.09 | trelly | man mount |
| 20:25.22 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.41 | \amethyst | boris: the bug's not fixed yet :) |
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| 20:25.53 | Roey | hi |
| 20:26.01 | boris | OK |
| 20:26.04 | \amethyst | boris: let's see |
| 20:26.05 | Roey | question about SugarCRM (#sugarcrm appears dead) |
| 20:26.12 | boris | behehewwwww :( |
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| 20:26.16 | sprink | neat. I tried to install a .deb using dpkg -i file.deb and it failed cause of missing deps.. so I installed the deps with apt-get and afterwards it automatically finished installing the .deb that had failed |
| 20:26.22 | Azar | boris: one answer here: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/bdmx/weblog/1 |
| 20:26.22 | Roey | how long would it take to set this thing up, assuming I have mysql and the other deps already set up? |
| 20:26.55 | McGee | rahul, thanks for your help and time anyway |
| 20:27.03 | \amethyst | boris: I don't have RAID myself so I can't test it, but I'm installing the package to see if I can find what's referencing dmraid45 |
| 20:27.09 | rahul | McGee: np |
| 20:27.27 | boris | ok |
| 20:27.32 | Azar | dondelecare seems to have written something about raid45 bug |
| 20:27.39 | Azar | errr dondelecaro even |
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| 20:27.58 | enouf | !penixstrike nlan |
| 20:27.59 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking nlan to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 20:28.09 | \amethyst | boris: do you know how to build debian patches from source? |
| 20:28.23 | Azar | which link does not open for me to see!!!!!!! |
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| 20:28.59 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:29.37 | itchi | hoi |
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| 20:29.54 | Azar | wtf is not opening? |
| 20:30.10 | Azar | http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411172 |
| 20:30.18 | Azar | I can't open the damn link' |
| 20:30.41 | mfrisch | Azar: That sounds like a personal problem |
| 20:30.50 | Azar | mfrisch: can you open it? |
| 20:31.09 | mfrisch | Azar: No ;-) |
| 20:31.13 | Azar | is about dmraid and raid45 |
| 20:31.14 | streuner | !dbugs 411172 |
| 20:31.18 | dpkg | #411172:I[dmraid] dmraid is looking for the raid45 kernel module and not the raid456 modules.; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:45:02 UTC |
| 20:31.21 | jelly | http://bugs.debian.org/411172 works for me |
| 20:31.27 | Xenguy | bugs.donarmstrong.com has not been reliable for me lately |
| 20:31.34 | Azar | thanks streuner |
| 20:31.36 | Xenguy | via apt-listbugs |
| 20:31.50 | \amethyst | boris: So first do apt-get build-dep dmraid |
| 20:31.55 | Azar | mr donarmstrong locked his stuff |
| 20:32.05 | \amethyst | boris: then apt-get source dmraid |
| 20:32.17 | Xenguy | Azar: really? so what does that mean? |
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| 20:32.36 | \amethyst | boris: that will install the build dependencies and download and unpack the source package |
| 20:32.47 | Azar | Xenguy: it might mean he goes in a long researching vacation in Patagonia to study the volcanic activities |
| 20:33.06 | \amethyst | boris: don't build it yet, though, there's a special way to do that in debian |
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| 20:33.21 | Azar | ... just to escape the horror of seeing who got elected |
| 20:33.30 | streuner | haha |
| 20:33.32 | Xenguy | Azar: whatever - shouldn't the code be moved to some webserver that is reliably accessible? |
| 20:34.00 | jelly | so Tierra del Fuego > elections? |
| 20:34.00 | mfrisch | Azar: people change servers. |
| 20:34.07 | Azar | Xenguy: I have no idea maybe those links are being in the process of moving on another place maybe on the "solved" shelf? |
| 20:34.13 | Azar | yea |
| 20:34.18 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.43 | Xenguy | Azar: let's trust that Mr. Don Armstrong is looking after the app somehow :-/ |
| 20:34.48 | jelly | life > you && you != me |
| 20:35.22 | streuner | Xenguy: why not just ask him? |
| 20:35.24 | \amethyst | boris: I'm preparing a patch for you |
| 20:35.52 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:36.31 | \amethyst | boris: http://s-z.org/neil/dmraid.diff |
| 20:37.01 | \amethyst | boris: err, sorry http://s-z.org/dmraid.diff |
| 20:37.41 | mfrisch | \amethyst: what was he using dm-raid or mdraid? |
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| 20:37.58 | wils0n___ | Anybody know of a software package that takes a V4L webcam and grabs pictures/video? |
| 20:38.05 | \amethyst | mfrisch: dmraid |
| 20:38.27 | Loevborg | Does anyone know a place _online_ (HTML) where I can browse and search manpages? I found that for FreeBSD, but the same thing for debian would be fantastic. |
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| 20:38.41 | diclophis-work | how would i (using bash) capture the output of several echo commands and pipe it through sendmail? |
| 20:38.46 | diclophis-work | oh, and hello |
| 20:38.57 | \amethyst | boris: you know how to apply patches? |
| 20:39.13 | wils0n___ | diclophis-work: while [ true ] ; do echo "one" ; echo |
| 20:39.21 | wils0n___ | diclophis-work: while [ true ] ; do echo "one" ; echo "two"; break; done |
| 20:39.30 | wils0n___ | diclophis-work: while [ true ] ; do echo "one" ; echo "two"; break; done &> oops_shoulda_done_this_first |
| 20:39.43 | wils0n___ | sorry for the spam |
| 20:39.43 | boris | patch -p0 <patchfile? |
| 20:39.43 | wils0n___ | :) |
| 20:39.43 | Loevborg | oh! http://man.cx looks nice! |
| 20:39.43 | \amethyst | boris: yes |
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| 20:39.51 | boris | ok |
| 20:40.31 | \amethyst | boris: You'll also need to add a debian changelog entry to change the version number |
| 20:40.43 | \amethyst | boris: so it will be willing to install your patched version over the current one |
| 20:41.04 | boris | aha.... how is that done? |
| 20:41.09 | stew | kiba: /msg dpkg usb-storage ; myabe /msg dpkg automount |
| 20:41.10 | wils0n___ | kiba: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 20:41.11 | wils0n___ | or so |
| 20:41.17 | boris | and where is the source? |
| 20:41.47 | diclophis-work | wils0n___: thanks |
| 20:41.52 | \amethyst | boris: apt-get source dmraid will download the sources and unpack them into a dmraid-$VERSION/ directory |
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| 20:42.23 | boris | ah |
| 20:42.29 | \amethyst | boris: moment |
| 20:42.42 | boris | I thought it would be in some /bla/lba/src |
| 20:42.53 | boris | ok it is there |
| 20:42.59 | kiba | swwwwweeeeeeeet success |
| 20:43.19 | kiba | thanks |
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| 20:45.12 | \amethyst | boris: http://s-z.org/neil/cl.diff |
| 20:45.19 | \amethyst | boris: that's a patch for the change log |
| 20:45.51 | mfrisch | \amethyst: what is broke the kernel or the program? |
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| 20:46.48 | \amethyst | mfrisch: The kernel now has a module "raid456" instead of "raid45", but dmraid tries probing the latter only. I'd say it's a bug in dmraid, as well as a design flaw (that it needs a recompile to be changed) |
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| 20:47.01 | karmatronic | hi there |
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| 20:47.22 | mfrisch | \amethyst: aah. What version is he going from sarge to etch? |
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| 20:47.58 | karmatronic | anyone knows a linux equivalent of virtual passage (on the server side ) |
| 20:48.01 | karmatronic | ? |
| 20:48.04 | \amethyst | boris: you're using etch, right? |
| 20:48.21 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.28 | \amethyst | ah, dmraid's not even in stable |
| 20:48.38 | \amethyst | mfrisch: it's the same version as in sid |
| 20:48.39 | mfrisch | karmatronic: whats virtual passage? |
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| 20:49.12 | \amethyst | boris: so once you've patched the changelog, you can do (in the dmraid-version directory) fakeroot ./debian/rules binary |
| 20:49.48 | \amethyst | boris: that will put the new binary .deb one level up in the directory hierarchy |
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| 20:50.38 | karmatronic | virtual passage is a web vpn server |
| 20:51.03 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.07 | karmatronic | it s a feature of some cisco concentrators |
| 20:51.08 | mfrisch | karmatronic: ipsec is the standard vpn. There are MANY |
| 20:51.28 | mfrisch | karmatronic: OH you want kvpn |
| 20:51.39 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:51.59 | \amethyst | boris: yes, dmraid is the same version in both |
| 20:52.07 | boris | ah |
| 20:52.09 | karmatronic | no no , i dont need a vpn client |
| 20:52.16 | Virtual | Some commands return command not found as regular user but work fine as root, how can I fix that? |
| 20:52.18 | karmatronic | i already have some :) |
| 20:52.26 | mfrisch | karmatronic: you want to connect to the routers? |
| 20:52.38 | karmatronic | no |
| 20:52.50 | mfrisch | ok I am confused |
| 20:52.53 | karmatronic | i run an openvpn server at home |
| 20:53.03 | karmatronic | openvpn is a an ssl vpn |
| 20:53.17 | mfrisch | what do you want to do? |
| 20:53.26 | karmatronic | but it requires that my users use a specific software |
| 20:53.37 | karmatronic | virtual passage is similar |
| 20:53.43 | rgsteele | Bah. Cricket shouldn't be so confuzzlin' |
| 20:53.53 | karmatronic | but it only requires a web browser on the client side |
| 20:54.13 | karmatronic | so i found ssl-explorer |
| 20:54.26 | mfrisch | karmatronic: ok. thats differerent. |
| 20:54.28 | karmatronic | it offers similar features for free and on linux, of course |
| 20:54.38 | karmatronic | but it s damn slow |
| 20:54.42 | karmatronic | since java-based |
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| 20:54.55 | karmatronic | plus , it s not so powerful |
| 20:55.03 | karmatronic | anyway |
| 20:55.04 | mfrisch | karmatronic: is this just for you or a company? |
| 20:55.31 | karmatronic | for the two of us :) |
| 20:55.39 | ProN00b | uhm, does sarge still have 2.4 kernel ? |
| 20:56.12 | \amethyst | boris: so how's it coming along? |
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| 20:56.22 | mfrisch | karmatronic: aah. I think you are overthinking this. sshd would work great. You can use xming and putty on 'doz clients and native on others. |
| 20:56.50 | karmatronic | of course i use sshd |
| 20:56.58 | markybob | ProN00b, it has 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 20:56.58 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.03 | karmatronic | but it also requires a client |
| 20:57.22 | karmatronic | although mindterm can be used |
| 20:57.25 | ProN00b | markybob, which one is on by default ? |
| 20:57.31 | mfrisch | karmatronic: a usb installable (two .exe files) |
| 20:57.36 | \amethyst | boris: So fakeroot ./debian/rules binary |
| 20:57.37 | markybob | ProN00b, 2.4 |
| 20:57.44 | karmatronic | the problem though with sshd |
| 20:57.47 | ProN00b | markybob, how do you change to 2.6 ? |
| 20:57.54 | \amethyst | boris: you patched the changelog, too? |
| 20:57.57 | markybob | ProN00b, boot installer with "linux26" |
| 20:58.06 | karmatronic | is that it requires that intermediate firewalls allow destination port |
| 20:58.08 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.09 | mfrisch | karmatronic: a vpn is usually for crossing networks through the Internet. |
| 20:58.13 | ProN00b | ke |
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| 20:58.28 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.41 | stew | boris: install it |
| 20:58.41 | markybob | !ke |
| 20:58.41 | dpkg | i heard ke is Kenya |
| 20:58.55 | karmatronic | plus a good firewall wont let this type of traffic pass through |
| 20:58.58 | mfrisch | karmatronic: well mindterm is old and dated I would forget about that |
| 20:58.59 | karmatronic | or it shouldnt |
| 20:59.03 | \amethyst | boris: either install it or build the package as root. I'd go with the former :) |
| 20:59.10 | karmatronic | mfrisch: i m already using it |
| 20:59.28 | boris | ok I have installed it |
| 20:59.32 | mfrisch | karmatronic: not much security using sshv1 |
| 20:59.34 | karmatronic | karmatronic: actualy i already use all those options |
| 20:59.52 | karmatronic | mfrisch: you can require ssh v2 |
| 20:59.59 | \amethyst | boris: So you can build it now |
| 21:00.01 | karmatronic | on the client side and on the server side |
| 21:00.05 | mfrisch | karmatronic: recompile? |
| 21:00.40 | karmatronic | noops , just only allow protocol 2 on sshd_config |
| 21:00.41 | \amethyst | boris: that will give you a .deb file one level up, which you can install with dpkg -i |
| 21:01.24 | boris | I did, fakeroot ./debian/rules binary, and it is compiling now |
| 21:01.25 | mfrisch | karmatronic: don't think mindterm supports it but ok, its in www unless they released one that does |
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| 21:01.46 | boris | finished |
| 21:01.59 | mfrisch | Yeah boris |
| 21:02.04 | \amethyst | boris: You also probably want to mark the package as "held" once you've installed it |
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| 21:02.17 | \amethyst | boris: so it won't get replaced on the next upgrade |
| 21:03.08 | \amethyst | boris: also, subscribe to bug 411172 so you'll know when it gets fixed, and can can unhold and upgrade |
| 21:03.16 | karmatronic | mfrisch: in the applet you can force protocol 2 i think |
| 21:03.31 | jt|Homer | Hi, how can I manually "register" .deb files in my apt-build repository? I mean how to add them to "Packages.gz" and "Release"? |
| 21:03.42 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.56 | Azar | hot from the oven: Michlmayr advocates time-based release management for FOSS projects http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/21/1837255&from=rss |
| 21:04.47 | mfrisch | karmatronic: not on debian not unless they changed it. I have sshed through many networks and never had firewall problems. Even networks that don't allow connections out by default |
| 21:05.11 | \amethyst | boris: the directory that contains the dmraid-$version directory |
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| 21:05.24 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.26 | karmatronic | mfrisch: so your network administrators were a little bit lazy |
| 21:05.27 | Azar | he surely should have researched http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/26/139256 for his thesis |
| 21:05.31 | \amethyst | boris: you don't need the udeb |
| 21:05.36 | donfede | anyone here setup an openldap proxy server (ldap backend , to active directory) |
| 21:05.37 | \amethyst | boris: it should have made both a deb and a udeb |
| 21:05.47 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.02 | \amethyst | udeb is for the installer |
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| 21:06.10 | boris | ah |
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| 21:06.27 | boris | so now dpkg -i dmraid_1.0.0.rc13-2.0.1_i386.deb ? |
| 21:06.45 | \amethyst | boris: yes |
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| 21:06.58 | mfrisch | karmatronic: most networks are segmented so it is not a issue. Firewalls are kinda a last resort for security. |
| 21:07.18 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: bang it once for me! |
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| 21:07.39 | KRF | how can reinstall a specific package (postfix) WITH its configuration files |
| 21:07.44 | KRF | how can i* |
| 21:07.58 | mfrisch | purge it then reinstall |
| 21:08.01 | Azar | \amethyst: is Michlmayr running this year? |
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| 21:08.26 | \amethyst | Azar: I don't keep up with politics too much, I'm not a DD |
| 21:08.34 | Azar | n/m I can check that out |
| 21:09.13 | sprink | is the root account created during installation of etch during normal installation? |
| 21:09.22 | boris | now I have : |
| 21:09.23 | Azar | \amethyst: do you agree on enforcing regular, faster releases in Debian? |
| 21:09.26 | boris | ERROR: device-mapper target type "raid456" not in kernel |
| 21:09.33 | \amethyst | well crap... |
| 21:09.39 | giod | how do i mount a scsi disk |
| 21:09.52 | KRF | mfrisch, the problem is, when i purge postfix package, apt-get wants to purge mysql-server, too |
| 21:10.17 | \amethyst | boris: can you modprobe raid456? |
| 21:10.25 | giod | sprink, yes |
| 21:10.26 | PupenoR | aptitude and apt-get are giving me segmentation faults! :( |
| 21:10.27 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.30 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.36 | boris | do ' modprobe raid456'? |
| 21:10.54 | \amethyst | boris: yes |
| 21:11.03 | perlmonkey | raid sux |
| 21:11.08 | mfrisch | KRF: use dpkg. |
| 21:11.11 | Azar | nooo ubersucks |
| 21:11.17 | perlmonkey | take my advice for it, dont trust your life on it |
| 21:11.19 | h3sp4wn | perlmonkey:fake raid sucks |
| 21:11.31 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.31 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 21:11.33 | giod | sprink, why do you want to login as root |
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| 21:13.47 | KRF | mfrisch, thanks |
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| 21:14.05 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.09 | mfrisch | h3sp4wn: what is fake-raid? everyone has been here lately wanting to fix it |
| 21:14.25 | donfede | nobody uses openldap with active directory here?!? |
| 21:14.30 | perlmonkey | fake raid = soft raid |
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| 21:14.43 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: on seperate disk? |
| 21:14.56 | perlmonkey | could be separate, could be shared |
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| 21:15.02 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: almost any motherboard that says it has raid (except the very high end tyan / supermicro ones) |
| 21:15.04 | \amethyst | boris: if modprobe didn't give you an error, you do have that module |
| 21:15.10 | perlmonkey | any partitions can be turned into raid |
| 21:15.13 | \amethyst | boris: I wonder if maybe it's something deeper in devmapper |
| 21:15.47 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: soft raid is ok bios that use cheap raid like mine no thanks |
| 21:15.50 | perlmonkey | soft raid-5 is good |
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| 21:16.09 | perlmonkey | but the problem is you can't easily upgrade or change it in the future |
| 21:16.11 | h3sp4wn | raid 5 is bad (even if you do need raid) |
| 21:16.22 | perlmonkey | so you need to do it properly with big drives, or be prepared to leave it alone |
| 21:16.27 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: I would rather rebuild a software raid than for a mb that does not exist anymore. |
| 21:16.56 | perlmonkey | mfrisch: that makes no sense |
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| 21:17.29 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: software raid at least holds the data in a uniform manner. |
| 21:17.34 | Azar | mannn... reading around I just stumbled on the board of LF.... man only big personalities |
| 21:18.07 | perlmonkey | mfrisch: yeah |
| 21:18.37 | Azar | linux is generally becoming a big freaking serious business |
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| 21:18.46 | perlmonkey | well the lesson i have learned the hard way today is that no matter what type of storage solution or raid you have, you need a good backup solution in place |
| 21:19.05 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: d'oh |
| 21:19.28 | Azar | mfrisch: I still need to go pay for some classes to learn how to burn and backup... |
| 21:19.40 | perlmonkey | i lost all my work and personal stuff from last 3 years, and i have mixed feelings about that |
| 21:19.44 | Azar | and I mean PAY because I am too tard to learn on my own |
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| 21:20.12 | mfrisch | Azar: classes? backup is easy. Just don't overkill. |
| 21:20.18 | boris | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.29 | \amethyst | boris: aha, the issue is actually orthogonal to the raid45/raid456 modules... those are for md, not devmapper |
| 21:20.43 | Azar | mfrisch: I have a small program that does it but ok: what to do when I need it? how to get it out? burn it to a cd? |
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| 21:20.57 | boris | ok |
| 21:21.03 | mfrisch | Azar: what filesystem do you use? |
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| 21:21.20 | Azar | if there will be a clear command line way to burn, it might be easier for me to understand it |
| 21:21.24 | Azar | ext3 |
| 21:21.39 | Azar | I never learned with Nero's drag/click stuff |
| 21:21.45 | \amethyst | boris: this kernel patch might be helpful http://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dm/dm-raid45/ |
| 21:21.48 | Azar | or any windows app |
| 21:22.16 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 21:22.17 | \amethyst | boris: you should use make-kpkg from the "kernel-package" package to build kernel source |
| 21:22.27 | \amethyst | boris: and it's generally advisable to start from the Debian .config |
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| 21:22.53 | perlmonkey | tmw i start a fresh with all new |
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| 21:23.47 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 21:24.03 | \amethyst | boris: I've gtg now, good luck |
| 21:24.16 | boris | ok 10x |
| 21:24.35 | perlmonkey | good luck guys |
| 21:24.40 | mfrisch | Azar: use dump. Most rescue cd's have it. dump -0uj -f /home home would make a bzipped image of home in pwd. You can then make the images the size of the cds you are using. Burn the dumps on a cd, then when you need them whip out a rescue cd rebuild your partitons then use restore and reinstall grub your done. |
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| 21:24.50 | boris | should I keep the patch you made in? |
| 21:25.25 | allefant | should i be worried about /var/cache/apt having 11GB, or will it clean up itself once i run out of disk space? (df says 95% full) |
| 21:25.43 | mfrisch | allefant: aptitude clean |
| 21:26.04 | wintix | it won't clean up, allefant. 'apt-get clean' does. |
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| 21:27.24 | lhunath | how do you make it theoretically impossible for user processes to drain all system resources? Basically I'd hoped for a certain % of base memory, cpu, and disk IO that can ONLY be used by root processes. |
| 21:28.08 | allefant | mfrisch, wintix: many thanks, now it's 27% full again only :) |
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| 21:28.28 | mfrisch | lhunath: root takes memory cpu first then users. |
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| 21:30.56 | HamidNassiby | Hi , Any news about Etch realese date ? |
| 21:31.10 | stew | HamidNassiby: /topic |
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| 21:32.11 | HamidNassiby | stew: thanks , |
| 21:33.16 | lhunath | mfrisch: when the system starts ooming root is just as locked out as all other users |
| 21:35.09 | jelly | !ide-scsi |
| 21:35.09 | dpkg | from memory, ide-scsi is a horrible kludge (Linus says something like this: http://programming.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/09/1341236 ) and you don't need it to run CD record in Debian anyway http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/339#comment_5 |
| 21:35.15 | jelly | mnyeh |
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| 21:36.00 | mfrisch | lhunath: ooming? it does what? |
| 21:36.15 | bzed | n8 * |
| 21:36.28 | lhunath | going out of memory ... |
| 21:37.56 | mfrisch | lhunath: how much do you have? What happens when going out of memory? |
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| 21:38.58 | zinx | !ops Enigma-T[Away]!n=She__22_@88.240.134.60 <- free porno video spammer (onjoin) |
| 21:38.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zinx complains about: Enigma-T[Away]!n=She__22_@88.240.134.60 <- free porno video spammer (onjoin) |
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| 21:39.10 | ma3x | is there a way to see all games I've installed with apt or aptitude in text-mode? |
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| 21:39.17 | mfrisch | zinx: cute |
| 21:39.21 | lhunath | mfrisch: the amount of memory is irrelevant, and when I go out of memory (in my case a buggy kxsrun -- kde screensaver that keeps forking or something) the system just swaps itself to death. 10 minutes after switching to vt1 and 10 minutes after logging in there and 10 minutes after typing killall kxsrun the system regains control. |
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| 21:39.37 | lhunath | but that's not the point; I want quotas on my resources. |
| 21:39.46 | RichiH | zinx: thanks |
| 21:39.48 | zinx | mfrisch: not really.. guy keeps coming back after many K-lines |
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| 21:40.08 | RichiH | LoRez: pft.. not my fault if you are slower than a snail in a salt mine |
| 21:40.08 | mfrisch | zinx: it must think your special ;-) |
| 21:40.21 | zinx | mfrisch: more like it thinks #debian and #redhat are special :/ |
| 21:40.23 | mutante_ | ma3x: dpkg --list | grep game ? |
| 21:40.40 | ma3x | mutante: I mean all the games like khangman, kbounce....... |
| 21:40.44 | mutante_ | ma3x: given that each game has the word game in its description somewhere, i wouldnt know how to really sort |
| 21:40.50 | mutante_ | by the category |
| 21:41.11 | mutante_ | ma3x: yes, but the list also includes the description |
| 21:41.15 | ma3x | so it's not possible to list it out by a category |
| 21:42.13 | mfrisch | zinx: sounds like its profiling the audiance. |
| 21:42.30 | mfrisch | zinx: and I am not saying you the channels |
| 21:42.40 | ma3x | mutante: okay, thanks anyway |
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| 21:43.43 | stew | ma3x: aptitude search \~i\~sgames |
| 21:44.27 | mutante_ | ah,nice |
| 21:44.55 | robin_sz | mmm .. whatys that serial terminal programme .. not minicom .. somethign else |
| 21:45.00 | abrotman | kermit ? |
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| 21:45.07 | ma3x | stew: genius! can you explain what the \~i\~s expression is ? |
| 21:45.17 | robin_sz | mmm might be ... |
| 21:45.53 | stew | ma3x: ~i means "installed" ~s is section, so ~sgames is the games section, the \'s are to prevent your shell from trying to expand ~ into someone's home directory |
| 21:45.59 | robin_sz | no, not ckermit |
| 21:46.11 | abrotman | HyperTerminal? :) |
| 21:46.18 | robin_sz | fsck no ... |
| 21:46.25 | robin_sz | perhaps it was minicom I used then |
| 21:46.28 | abrotman | it probably was |
| 21:46.38 | robin_sz | its slightly reatrded afaict |
| 21:46.47 | ma3x | stew: brilliant, thanks! |
| 21:47.05 | stew | ma3x: install aptitude-doc-en (or -fr or whatever) and read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html for more info |
| 21:47.39 | robin_sz | minicom seems to have an obsession with "dialling" and "modems" whatver the fsck they are |
| 21:47.58 | robin_sz | dear minicom, its a serial lead attached to a router mmm'k? |
| 21:48.12 | ma3x | stew: ok great, thanks |
| 21:48.19 | magyar | hi, what is a good command line based backup to DVD-R ? |
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| 21:49.10 | EmergeTW | can anyone recommend a nice little console screensaver? |
| 21:49.19 | mutante_ | EmergeTW: bb |
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| 21:49.25 | mutante_ | EmergeTW: bbfire :p |
| 21:49.30 | robin_sz | EmergeTW, sure, try the bash prompt |
| 21:49.36 | EmergeTW | robin_sz, heh |
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| 21:49.58 | mfrisch | console screensaver? |
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| 21:50.52 | EmergeTW | mutante_, bb the ascii art demo? |
| 21:51.33 | ma3x | stew: when I type aptitude purge package1 and then it says it wants to remove package 2 and 3 as dependency, is there a option to specify to purge 2 and 3 as well (and not just remove them) |
| 21:52.04 | Guerin | ma3x: specify those to be purged as well |
| 21:52.57 | mutante_ | EmergeTW: yes, and in its manpage there is "see also aafire" ,thats what i meant |
| 21:52.57 | Guerin | ma3x: that said, most packages which are dependencies don't have much config, so purge isn't much difference |
| 21:52.57 | ma3x | Guerin: but then you have to quit 'q' and specify it again with the new dependencies |
| 21:52.57 | mutante_ | EmergeTW: its just the flame effect by itself ;) |
| 21:52.57 | robin_sz | sigh ... how to get rid of this modem nonsense in minicom ... |
| 21:52.57 | Guerin | (ignoring metapackages) |
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| 21:52.58 | robin_sz | just send my typing to the serial port please |
| 21:53.01 | ma3x | Guerin: even if they had much config, aptitude wouldn't remove it, right? |
| 21:53.05 | Guerin | ma3x: this is your fault for using the UI. I don't know how to. But there's definitely a way. |
| 21:53.20 | ma3x | Guerin: I use the command line |
| 21:53.31 | ma3x | most of the time :p |
| 21:53.32 | Guerin | ma3x: aptitude would if you purged it, but not otherwise |
| 21:54.34 | EmergeTW | mutante_: hmm I dont see anything about aafire |
| 21:54.53 | mutante_ | EmergeTW: apt-cache show caca-utils |
| 21:55.20 | mutante_ | caca-fire |
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| 21:55.31 | mutante_ | cacafire , argh :p |
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| 21:55.57 | mutante_ | cacamoir |
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| 21:56.40 | ghatak | I have just been hit by a major problem, just updated the normal updates, when i rebooted, there was some stuff in Trash, i just clicked on Empty trash. Before i noticed, it has removed 70% of my disk2 contents. I dont know how that stuff ended up in Trash in the first place. Can i get anything back ? |
| 21:58.46 | wols_ | !undelete |
| 21:58.46 | dpkg | methinks undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
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| 21:59.06 | Guerin | ghatak: what filesystem? |
| 21:59.18 | ghatak | Guerin: Ext3 |
| 21:59.28 | Guerin | ghatak: out of luck, sorry. |
| 21:59.29 | EmergeTW | My boss is going to shit himself when he comes in and sees this fire instead of that retarded novell worm that moves around |
| 21:59.34 | th0ger | ghatak: thats bad |
| 21:59.42 | Guerin | ghatak: try installing testdisk and using photorec |
| 21:59.51 | Guerin | but you have a long, hard road ahead of you |
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| 22:00.36 | ghatak | Well I am not reading and writing anything for that disk at the moment |
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| 22:01.52 | th0ger | ghatak: you should start by remounting the disk readonly |
| 22:02.06 | abrotman | i'd like to know why ghatak put the whole disk in the trash :) |
| 22:02.19 | abrotman | It's not a Mac .. that won't eject it! :) |
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| 22:02.47 | ghatak | abrotman: i did not, i have no idea why it ended up there, |
| 22:02.53 | abrotman | i was joking |
| 22:03.05 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 22:03.06 | Eclipser | weird |
| 22:03.09 | ghatak | th0ger: |
| 22:03.17 | ghatak | th0ger: ok |
| 22:04.59 | th0ger | ghatak: then you have plenty of time to figure out what to do. |
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| 22:07.43 | ma3x | if I want to stop apache2 from starting on boot, if I do update-rc.d -f remove apache2, then how do I get it back after that? I wouldn't know what NN to specify exactly |
| 22:08.08 | abrotman | 88 i believ |
| 22:08.21 | ma3x | it's 91 now |
| 22:08.31 | ma3x | but I mean how do you determine that number anyway? |
| 22:08.47 | ma3x | I wouldn't find a good reason not to put 20 for example |
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| 22:10.00 | Eclipser | there's some nice order of things, it's usually nice to have neccessary stuff started before starting it (like networking perhaps) (I really don't know a *real* way of determining it :p) |
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| 22:11.59 | ma3x | and why are there rc1-6.d? I understand Runlevels 0, 1, and 6 are reserved. but what about 2-5? they have all the same scripts |
| 22:12.17 | ma3x | so why are there 4 directories, when there could be only one instead |
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| 22:12.56 | mfrisch | ma3x: how many runlevels do you want? |
| 22:13.04 | ma3x | I mean the default debian runlevel is 2, but why are the others 3-5 |
| 22:13.19 | ma3x | mfrisch: only one I guess, why would you need more? |
| 22:13.24 | mfrisch | ma3x: how many runlevels do you use...and how many at once |
| 22:13.47 | th0ger | ma3x: sysvconfig |
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| 22:14.40 | mfrisch | ma3x: well one is for shutdown..one for runlevel 1 one for multiuser the one you use |
| 22:14.47 | xaitax | hi |
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| 22:17.37 | ma3x | I wonder why is mplayer in those scripts? |
| 22:18.08 | Spec | when you pin a package, will apt always tell you "The following packages have been kept back: " ? |
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| 22:19.52 | davidb___ | why is it that installing whois7.20 has continuously frozen up my install process installing 'testing' ? |
| 22:20.02 | davidb___ | it has frozen up on me 6 times now, installing this file. |
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| 22:20.35 | davidb___ | do i need to install the cd version of 'testing'? |
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| 22:22.43 | ma3x | I've never seen any script in /etc/rc*.d starting bellow S20 |
| 22:22.43 | ma3x | why is everything above that number? |
| 22:22.55 | davidb___ | i think it's just nomenclature |
| 22:23.09 | davidb___ | a starting point, so if you want things to run w/ higher priority, you've got space |
| 22:24.01 | dondelelcaro | 20 is the default; things that need to happen before then generally have to happen on every boot, and they're in rcS |
| 22:24.19 | davidb___ | damn testing installer. |
| 22:24.36 | davidb___ | is there a way to "break-out" of package selection? |
| 22:24.53 | dondelelcaro | davidb___: just don't select any |
| 22:25.36 | dondelelcaro | (it really depends which part of the package selection you mean; if it's aptitude, q will break out. If it's the tasksel, just don't select anything) |
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| 22:26.12 | Kruser | hi |
| 22:26.16 | Kruser | noch jemand wach ? |
| 22:26.25 | davidb___ | it's on installation of the OS. |
| 22:26.28 | th0ger | Kruser: english chan |
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| 22:26.34 | Kruser | k |
| 22:26.38 | davidb___ | having problems getting it onto my poweredge860 |
| 22:26.51 | davidb___ | not sure what the issue is. i'm hitting my head against the wall at this point. |
| 22:27.12 | davidb___ | smokebreak.....sigh..... |
| 22:27.32 | ascha | davidb___: are you using the netinstall image? |
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| 22:27.47 | Kruser | someone here who want me to help by the creation of a raid array with debian ( kerlen 2.6 ) ? |
| 22:28.05 | davidb___ | ascha: yes. |
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| 22:28.57 | davidb___ | kruser: i've seen it done once. raid0, raid1, raid5? |
| 22:29.14 | kim0 | Hi, Does Linux allow Shadow Copy volumes (resulting in something a la MacOS time-machine) ? |
| 22:29.17 | Kruser | i want to create a raid 5 array with 3 disks with mdadm, and in every how to i read, they use the device /dev/md0 |
| 22:29.29 | dondelelcaro | kim0: you mean like aufs? |
| 22:29.30 | ascha | davidb___ there is also a image called businesscard image. It is smaller and does not contain the base system |
| 22:29.38 | kim0 | dondelelcaro: googling it |
| 22:29.48 | ma3x | since I have kdm, does kdm start the xserver-xorg? or what script? |
| 22:29.58 | Kruser | but i haven´t any device called /dev/md0, how can i create it |
| 22:30.04 | dondelelcaro | Kruser: that's typical, yes; md0 won't exist until you've actually created the array. |
| 22:30.13 | ma3x | ah I saw it, okay S71xserver-xorg |
| 22:30.24 | ascha | davidb___: maybe that will work for you. Are you sure that your image is not corrupt? |
| 22:30.44 | davidb___ | ascha: how would i tell that? i d/l'd it directly from the debian site. |
| 22:30.50 | Kruser | but when i will create the raid array, it says that /dev/md0 doesn´t exist |
| 22:30.51 | dondelelcaro | Kruser: the --auto options should cause them to be created. |
| 22:31.41 | magyar | is there a way to mount a blank DVD-R? |
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| 22:32.03 | Guerin | magyar: that makes no sense. |
| 22:32.08 | SexyKen | Anyone know where to go for mrtg help? |
| 22:32.12 | Guerin | magyar: you don't mounbt a physical thing, you mount a filesystem |
| 22:32.24 | Guerin | SexyKen: #mrtg? |
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| 22:32.27 | SexyKen | No one there |
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| 22:32.36 | Guerin | SexyKen: probably a mailing list, then |
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| 22:32.43 | magyar | Guerin: i need to mount /dev/dvdrw to be able to burn to it, right? |
| 22:32.49 | Guerin | magyar: no. |
| 22:32.54 | Kruser | ok, the failure of the device don´t comes again |
| 22:32.54 | magyar | hmm |
| 22:32.56 | Kruser | thx |
| 22:33.18 | ascha | davidb___: There are MD5 Hashs for every image available at the download site |
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| 22:33.42 | davidb___ | ascha: i'm also getting the daily build image. |
| 22:33.51 | davidb___ | ascha: maaaybe something's fixed. |
| 22:34.04 | Hammaren | can anyone point me to a comprehensible guide for installing the proprietary ATI-Drivers for Etch? |
| 22:34.10 | Kruser | ähm, dondelaro, can you evtl. help me again ? |
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| 22:34.38 | ascha | davidb___: possible, but probably not ;) |
| 22:34.48 | Kruser | one of the discs in the array, should be a disk, created with lvm |
| 22:34.53 | Hammaren | or does anyone have experience regarding that matter? |
| 22:35.03 | Guerin | Hammaren: hahah - ATI ... comprehensible ... nice one |
| 22:35.25 | EmergeTW | could someone toss me a link to a paste bin? |
| 22:35.26 | Kruser | and i get the failure, that the sitze of the disk canot get bye mdadm |
| 22:35.47 | ascha | davidb___: you could try the businesscard image, if it fails while installing that certain file, there is probably something wrong |
| 22:35.57 | Hammaren | Guerin: as comprehensible as possibly ofc |
| 22:36.10 | Hammaren | i dont expect much as it is |
| 22:36.18 | Guerin | !ati |
| 22:36.19 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control pannel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 22:36.26 | ma3x | what does the dot mean? ex: update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 . |
| 22:36.27 | Guerin | Hammaren: good luck |
| 22:36.39 | Guerin | magyar: man update-rc.d |
| 22:36.46 | Guerin | ma3x: man update-rc.d |
| 22:36.48 | Hammaren | will try... and come back for whining later :D |
| 22:36.54 | ma3x | Guerin: I didn't see anything about the . at the end |
| 22:37.11 | rahul | ma3x: it's in the middle, with optional stuff after |
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| 22:37.46 | rahul | hmm, the man page is wrong... |
| 22:37.50 | rahul | oh well. |
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| 22:38.07 | rahul | you should be able to get the idea. |
| 22:38.20 | ma3x | so it's just for to separate the 2 things |
| 22:38.27 | ma3x | the mandatory and the optional stuff |
| 22:38.39 | ma3x | something like the | |
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| 22:39.32 | ma3x | I guess not |
| 22:39.43 | ma3x | update-rc.d foobar stop 45 S . |
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| 22:40.49 | ma3x | ok, let's say I have S72kdm. How do I turn it to K72kdm in runlevels 2-5? |
| 22:40.50 | rahul | ma3x: look for the . in the man page |
| 22:41.17 | ma3x | its full of dots |
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| 22:41.39 | rahul | the one that's not a ... |
| 22:41.49 | rahul | two, actually |
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| 22:42.12 | rahul | the highlighting is important |
| 22:42.17 | ma3x | line number? |
| 22:42.22 | rahul | literal stuff is in bright text |
| 22:42.27 | rahul | right near the top |
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| 22:42.41 | pstickne | is there a sane way of installing the postgres 8.0 _client_ in deb? I need to connect to a remote 8.1 server and some things are fubar between versions |
| 22:42.58 | pstickne | err, connect to a remote 8.0 server |
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| 22:43.33 | rahul | if there's no postgres-client-8.0 or something like that, it's not there |
| 22:43.53 | rahul | file a bug, maybe, to get the 8.0 client stuff packaged |
| 22:44.08 | ma3x | rahul: this line update-rc.d [-n] name start|stop NN runlevel [runlevel]... . start|stop NN runlevel [runlevel]... . ...? |
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| 22:46.46 | dob1 | hi |
| 22:46.59 | pstickne | rahul, wah! the remote is only 7.x anyway ... nabbits. oh, well, this is what ssh was for I guess |
| 22:47.05 | Daveman | darn, no abrotman :[ |
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| 22:47.26 | ma3x | mv rc*.d/S72kdm rc*.d/K72kdm |
| 22:47.29 | ma3x | what's wrong with that? |
| 22:47.30 | dob1 | using samba how can i change the password backend from smbpasswd to tdbsam ? |
| 22:47.38 | dob1 | how can i create the user/pass file? |
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| 22:48.22 | karsten | dob1: 1: read the samba docs. |
| 22:48.33 | karsten | dob1: 2: that's a samba config setting. |
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| 22:48.58 | karsten | dob1: 3: there are tools (mentioned in the samba docs) WRT creating / updating the Samba credentials file(s). |
| 22:49.17 | karsten | dob1: Might also want to /join #samba |
| 22:49.21 | EmergeTW | I'm using dnsmasq, and when I try to join a winxp box to samba which I want to use as the domain controller, it says it cant resolve <mydomain>.net should I add a line 192.168.1.2 <mydomain>.net to the /etc/hosts file? |
| 22:49.33 | dob1 | karsten: ok i will look in the doc |
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| 22:49.42 | EmergeTW | I have domain=<mydomain>.net in the dnsmasq.conf file |
| 22:49.53 | Kruser | dondelelcaro: do you want me help again ? |
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| 22:57.16 | blenna_unix | is there a package that will decrease screen brightness on my laptop based on battery level? |
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| 23:02.14 | karsten | blenna_unix: If you have laptop mode enabled that should happen automatically on ac/battery mode. |
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| 23:02.33 | karsten | blenna_unix: Otherwise, I suspect you could configure an apcid event, though I don't know specifics on that. |
| 23:04.07 | blenna_unix | karsten: how do i know if its enabled or not? |
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| 23:04.48 | omg0 | is it dpkg -p xmms? |
| 23:05.33 | th0ger | omg0: man dpkg |
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| 23:06.25 | karsten | blenna_unix: /etc/init.d/laptop-mode status |
| 23:06.44 | karsten | blenna_unix: If the file's not there, install laptop-mode. |
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| 23:08.09 | muhoo | is it possible to use nvidia-based laptops with FREE software? i.e. will they even run without proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 23:08.29 | wols_ | muhoo: yes in 2D |
| 23:08.31 | Guerin | muhoo: yes, nv driver works fine |
| 23:08.36 | muhoo | thanks! |
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| 23:08.58 | Greatmetal | kers |
| 23:08.58 | Greatmetal | fuckers |
| 23:08.59 | ehc | why does konqueror ignore lealding underscores when sorting file names |
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| 23:10.39 | helo | i can run ldd on this program, and see "libborqt-6.9.0-qt2.3.so => /usr/local/lib/libborqt-6.9.0-qt2.3.so (0xb7841000)", and i can see that the rhs exists and is readable, but whenever i run the program it says "libborqt-6.9-qt2.3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" the 6.9 file is linked to the 6.9.0 file... |
| 23:11.49 | EmergeTW | I am trying to setup samba as a pdc for my network, when I try to join a computer to the domain it tells me that A domain controller for the domain <mydomain>.net could not me contacted any ide |
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| 23:12.30 | EmergeTW | *ideas? |
| 23:12.35 | jetscreamer | ask in #samba also |
| 23:12.41 | jetscreamer | !any ideas |
| 23:12.42 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little thermal paste, and 42 starving ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 23:12.46 | EmergeTW | jetscreamer, I did, no response after 10 minutes |
| 23:12.51 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 23:12.55 | jetscreamer | i hear it's slow |
| 23:13.13 | jetscreamer | ask in ##linux also |
| 23:13.20 | Guerin | !piav |
| 23:13.20 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 23:13.30 | abrotman | 10 minutes ? try waiting two hours |
| 23:13.34 | jetscreamer | but the shotgun approach can't hurt |
| 23:13.39 | EmergeTW | hehe, but I dont wanna |
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| 23:13.45 | jetscreamer | ok... don't. |
| 23:14.01 | EmergeTW | I didnt say I wouldnt, I just said I didnt want to, heh |
| 23:14.04 | magyar | is backupninja burn the cd on it's own or i need to burn it? |
| 23:14.19 | Guerin | !htfswk magyar |
| 23:14.20 | dpkg | magyar: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 23:14.23 | abrotman | EmergeTW: they are notoriously slow ... you'll have to wait awhile in #samba |
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| 23:15.44 | omg0 | testing |
| 23:16.16 | davidb___ | if i don't install the "standard" system configuration w/ the debian installer, am I missing a bunch of functionality? i'm making a webserver. |
| 23:16.19 | abrotman | omg0: did you say something ? |
| 23:16.47 | davidb___ | i cant' tell all the packages that get put in the "standard" config, and I might need to install them anyway, is my thought. |
| 23:17.01 | davidb___ | but i don't want a bunch of clutter...mainly. |
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| 23:17.31 | omg0 | I think I have the wrong xmms running. Well it doesn't work. and I think its because the input is not alsa |
| 23:17.41 | Guerin | omg0: configure |
| 23:18.29 | omg0 | I am thinking there is an alsa version that would take care of the config |
| 23:18.30 | ascha | davidb___: you can always run tasksel later, i suppose |
| 23:18.40 | abrotman | omg0: it has multiple plugins |
| 23:18.44 | Guerin | omg0: xmms *supports* alsa |
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| 23:19.08 | Guerin | omg0: you could try modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 23:20.15 | ascha | davidb___: tasksel is also able to tell you which packages a certain task contains, but i forgot the command line option |
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| 23:21.59 | jetscreamer | die tasksel die |
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| 23:22.09 | jetscreamer | do this, but you might have to mess with option 0 |
| 23:22.13 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 23:22.13 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until it exits.. you may have to hit y or n somewhere though. |
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| 23:24.02 | josemarten | i have one laptop and i'm trying to decide whether to put debian or ubuntu on it...i've goggled these distros but can't really seem to find a good doc highlighting the major differences. can someone suggest something for me? i'm thinking of running gnome on etch |
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| 23:24.32 | blenna_unix | karsten: laptop mode is running |
| 23:24.52 | blenna_unix | karsten: how can i specify to lower the screen brightness? |
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| 23:26.20 | Capso | From where may I manually download debian packages (I'm actually on LFS, looking for a quick way to install binary packages)? |
| 23:26.28 | damog | i needz helppppppppppp!!!!!1 |
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| 23:26.52 | kds | bonjour |
| 23:27.04 | th0ger | damog: then _ask_ |
| 23:27.34 | ascha | Capso: just use one of the official debian mirrors (http or ftp) |
| 23:28.06 | kds | I installed initng and it was fine the first time. However, after that it gives me an error that it wasn't able to start the system/mountfs service |
| 23:28.21 | damog | th0ger: who will win the DPL election? |
| 23:28.56 | karsten | blenna_unix: Don't know that one ;-) |
| 23:29.08 | th0ger | what is DPL? |
| 23:29.37 | karsten | !DPL |
| 23:29.38 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Anthony Towns (aj). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 23:29.58 | kds | I installed initng from debian.space-based.de website referred on initng.org |
| 23:29.59 | karsten | blenna_unix: "apt-cache search screen brightness" suggests a couple of possibilities. |
| 23:30.33 | karsten | blenna_unix: ddccontrol and gddccontrol specifically |
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| 23:32.42 | jetscreamer | i thought overfiend was god |
| 23:32.48 | jetscreamer | or is that overfiend |
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| 23:35.06 | abrotman | that was the one before aj |
| 23:35.10 | omg0 | Guerin: It worked. Alsa output didn't work. I had to use the hardware in the configure |
| 23:35.29 | kds | no one has experience with initng here? |
| 23:35.39 | abrotman | kds: i tried it once |
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| 23:36.28 | kds | abrotman: any luck? |
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| 23:36.45 | dbw | hi, i updated apache and now every page on my site wants to be downloaded, not viewed.... try http://ereb.us/ |
| 23:36.51 | dbw | anyone else having this problem? |
| 23:37.07 | abrotman | kds: it installed ... never got it to finish booting :) |
| 23:37.39 | kds | dbw: its a php file .... did you configure the php application type? |
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| 23:38.38 | abrotman | dbw: which version of apache ? |
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| 23:40.32 | Guerin | omg0: snd-pcm-oss is alsa's oss emulation |
| 23:40.34 | markybob | dbw when asking for help, it works best if you answer questions |
| 23:40.46 | Guerin | omg0: put it in /etc/modules for great justice |
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| 23:43.03 | omg0 | Guerin: how do I do that: echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules |
| 23:43.23 | Guerin | omg0: yep |
| 23:45.23 | kds | abrotman: I got it installed...I think 0.6.7 is the version available and was able to boot it once. |
| 23:45.48 | kds | abrotman: after that it just gives me an error that it wasn't able to start the mountfs service |
| 23:46.00 | abrotman | kds: ah .. mine wouldn't finish booting .. but it's been awhile |
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| 23:46.44 | kds | abrotman: the package in debian repository are way old, try the one on debian.space-based.de |
| 23:47.06 | abrotman | i stopped monkeying with it .. figured it wasn't ready for prime-time yet |
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| 23:48.15 | omg0 | is there a vm that is easily installed on debian using aptitude? |
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| 23:49.03 | Guerin | omg0: qemu |
| 23:49.04 | simonrvn | a vm? |
| 23:49.10 | simonrvn | oh, nm me |
| 23:49.14 | kds | I tried their forum but wasn't able to register! the initng channel is just quiet |
| 23:50.21 | omg0 | is there a qemu manager so we can set it up gui |
| 23:50.30 | tuvwx | is the amd690 chipset supported by debian? |
| 23:51.02 | abrotman | is it supported by linux ? |
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| 23:51.41 | tuvwx | abrotman, that's really my question.. |
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| 23:51.53 | simonrvn | then find out |
| 23:52.05 | tuvwx | i'm right now ;) |
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| 23:52.16 | simonrvn | what arch is it? |
| 23:52.19 | tuvwx | i couldn't find anything in that regard |
| 23:52.53 | simonrvn | you don't know the architecture even? |
| 23:53.01 | tuvwx | simonrvn, it's for amd cpu's |
| 23:53.15 | simonrvn | so x86 then |
| 23:53.17 | tuvwx | simonrvn, no, i couldn't find anything regarding linux support |
| 23:53.28 | tuvwx | simonrvn, yes, and amd64 of course |
| 23:53.29 | abrotman | isn't amd960 a chipset ? |
| 23:53.33 | simonrvn | that's ^^ a start |
| 23:53.39 | tuvwx | yes it is |
| 23:53.47 | abrotman | isn't it like .. 3 years old ? |
| 23:53.55 | simonrvn | so what's the problem? |
| 23:53.59 | tuvwx | abrotman, no.. it's pretty new |
| 23:54.47 | markybob | *shrug* i've never heard of amd960 |
| 23:55.00 | tuvwx | http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~116188,00.html |
| 23:55.08 | Azar | speaking of amd... amd64 looks like is having a serious bug with the 2.6.18 in etch... |
| 23:55.09 | abrotman | markybob: don't you live in IN ? |
| 23:55.11 | tuvwx | feb 28, 2007 |
| 23:55.14 | simonrvn | when are people going to learn to research first, then buy |
| 23:55.21 | markybob | abrotman, no |
| 23:55.34 | tuvwx | it's 690, not 960 |
| 23:55.36 | abrotman | why did abrotman think markybob lived in IN ... |
| 23:55.53 | Azar | simonrvn: it says clearly on the online manuals for debian: buy conservative hardware |
| 23:55.54 | markybob | abrotman, no idea :) |
| 23:55.57 | simonrvn | why is abrotman talking about himself in the third person? |
| 23:56.13 | abrotman | simonrvn: abrotman has no idea |
| 23:56.13 | tuvwx | simonrvn, that's what i'm doing actually.. i'm tempted to buy a m/b based on that chipset, but want to make sure it works first |
| 23:57.02 | shogunx | tuvwx get the pci id of the chip and ask kmuto |
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| 23:57.16 | Azar | the hardware they make nowadays is ment to support a new terrible OS... not gonna say which |
| 23:57.52 | tuvwx | shogunx, 1) how do i do that if i don't have the hardware? 2) who is kmuto? |
| 23:58.06 | simonrvn | let the g4m3rz buy the newest peecee hardware and iron out the bugs, and give time for the kernel people to figure out the support |
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| 23:58.38 | tuvwx | amd690 is not for gamers. it's got an integrated graphics (ati x1250) |
| 23:58.41 | mfrisch | I hate howtos! |
| 23:59.04 | shogunx | tuvwx, find the pci id likely with google.com/linux and kmuto is here: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 23:59.05 | simonrvn | if i had any money to burn on new(-ish) hardware, i'd make sure it was 6 months to a year old |
| 23:59.22 | simonrvn | oh that thing |
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| 23:59.37 | abrotman | tuvwx: which part of it would you like to know if is supported ? |
| 23:59.39 | shogunx | simonrvn, you dont like hacking chips? :) |
| 23:59.43 | simonrvn | dual core chip with a GPU and CPU combined... |
